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[14:52] meeting for Tuesday January 16th 2024
[14:56] the first item on the agenda is a
[14:57] presentation i' like to turn over to
[14:59] Mayor McCarthy Madam president uh thank
[15:02] you uh being here there been a lot of
[15:05] interest in Mohawk Harbor of uh Focus
[15:08] was put on the uh potential of an
[15:11] aquatic center there which didn't quite
[15:13] work out to the team has still been
[15:15] exploring options and looking at uh
[15:18] scenarios that will add value not only
[15:20] to that site but the community as a
[15:22] whole and with that I'll turn it over to
[15:25] David buo the CEO of gesi to start with
[15:29] their
[15:31] presentation thank you
[15:33] Mr come up here
[15:36] surec president thank you you're welcome
[15:38] if you use microphone then the people
[15:40] out there can hear you terrific you're
[15:42] welcome no you don't worry about it they
[15:44] can hear they can hear I can't even hear
[15:47] me those of you who don't know me
[15:49] members of the city council I'm David
[15:50] buo president CEO of the gesi group uh
[15:53] been doing this now for 42 years before
[15:56] most of you were born uh what I've got today I want to
[16:00] introduce members of our team here that
[16:02] uh can answer questions uh first and
[16:05] foremost uh uh David Harris president of
[16:08] Union College uh joela dice general
[16:11] manager of the Rivers Casino Resort my
[16:14] team my Chief Operating Officer David
[16:16] all and the general counsel and vice
[16:18] president Thomas Owens uh we appreciate
[16:21] you putting this on the agenda today and
[16:23] we'll try and keep it as brief or as
[16:24] long as you want it uh with the
[16:26] inclement weather uh but we have here is
[16:29] a proposed project uh as you as you well
[16:31] know we've developed uh well there go of
[16:33] building MVP Building Center City 797
[16:36] Broadway and then attacked M haror uh
[16:40] and invested a lot of time and effort in
[16:42] there we still have some vacant land and
[16:44] we went through evaluating what we
[16:46] wanted to do with it whether it was
[16:47] Apartments whether it was a hotel
[16:49] whether it was Bard Office Buildings uh
[16:53] and uh then we talked to the Aquatic
[16:55] Center about possibly coming out there
[16:57] and bringing that from ex 12 where they are going to be in Clifton or
[17:01] Saratoga County uh and uh we evaluated
[17:06] that and looked on the impact on our
[17:07] site uh uh we worked with them to pursue
[17:12] another alternative at the viaport and
[17:14] we're playing around with what ideas we
[17:16] could do for this site we decided we
[17:18] wanted to do something more Community
[17:20] oriented than profit oriented believe it
[17:22] or not for business to say that it's
[17:24] unusual uh but from that standpoint uh
[17:26] what I'd like to do is walk you through
[17:28] the project I'm going to have Ray Gillan
[17:30] come up and do a little bit before and
[17:31] after and then we can uh answer any
[17:33] questions that anybody
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[17:41] has thank you thank you council
[17:43] president new members returning members
[17:45] welcome uh thank you for having us
[17:47] tonight go through a couple of quick
[17:49] slides some of you w don't may not
[17:52] remember what the outo site looked like
[17:54] before sat vacant for about 50 years
[17:57] something the mayor talks about a lot
[17:59] didn't pay any taxes cuz it was in tax
[18:02] foreclosure there were about 50 jobs
[18:04] there at one
[18:05] company and many many people um
[18:09] including some past city leaders who
[18:11] have been in this room
[18:13] recently uh prior to 2004 said you could
[18:16] never do anything with this site and and
[18:18] publicly scoffed at it at me personally
[18:21] at at the teen when we brought forward a
[18:24] proposal to redevelop the outgo site and
[18:27] uh so we glory in the success of this
[18:30] project because there were so many
[18:31] doubters and so many people who said you
[18:34] can't do anything there and our motto
[18:36] was you can and we proved them uh we
[18:39] proved that you could do it in fact the
[18:41] Grand Vision for the site prior to 2004
[18:44] is really scary uh they were looking at
[18:47] storing medical waste there they were
[18:49] looking at storing construction debris
[18:51] there and they had signed a lease with a
[18:54] tire recycling company and their plan
[18:57] was to make this the biggest tire
[18:59] recycling facility in the United States
[19:02] and I had to threaten to condemn that
[19:04] lease with the powers we have in
[19:06] Metroplex to stop that project that was
[19:08] a reality imagine 60 Acres of
[19:12] Waterfront turning out with the fumes
[19:15] with the dust with the pollution with
[19:18] the
[19:19] problems uh tire recycling and compared
[19:22] to what we have and what was really
[19:24] Troublesome is there was no respect for
[19:26] the alcohol Legacy the the fact that
[19:29] this facility built
[19:31] 90,000 locomotives that this facility
[19:33] played a key role in winning World War
[19:35] II in one month during World War II in
[19:38] one 30-day period they built 100 tanks
[19:42] and 200 locomotives they played a
[19:45] critical role in the war effort and
[19:47] these Visions for this site prior to
[19:49] 2004 that were discussed right in this
[19:51] room a all about medical waste
[19:54] construction debris treating the site as
[19:56] a junkyard not as a sacred ground
[19:58] that we know uh when it was the outgo
[20:02] facility we've had huge success here
[20:05] everybody knows the story we really help
[20:07] SKC have a waterfront reconnect our city
[20:10] to the Waterfront to our beautiful
[20:13] Waterfront uh we put up and we worked
[20:16] with the council president the
[20:18] Porterfield uh when it came to naming
[20:20] the streets we remember that we decided
[20:23] we've got to memorialize this aloh
[20:25] Heritage here we did a I think a
[20:27] beautiful job of putting the trail
[20:29] system in place and putting the signs
[20:32] along the trails uh that Mark the
[20:34] various highlights of the ALCO history
[20:37] of course we developed the leadership of
[20:39] the glassi group Casino it's been hugely
[20:43] successful two hotels 100,000 square ft
[20:45] of Technology office space the new
[20:48] Regional headquarters to the SI group
[20:50] just opened Apartments Town Homes
[20:52] restaurants retail Marina everybody goes
[20:55] there summertime to to watch the
[20:57] concerts and we have a new dock that
[20:59] we're working closely with Chris Wallen
[21:01] and the city on um right on the
[21:03] riverfront so we can pull big touring
[21:05] boats in and have them Dock and come in
[21:08] and visit
[21:09] SKC our former mayor Stratton who was a
[21:12] huge supporter of this project today
[21:14] loves to tell people that the largest
[21:16] and most successful Waterfront
[21:18] development along the Erie Canal is it's
[21:21] connected to new
[21:24] york, 1500 jobs on site and growing
[21:28] Casino pays $4 million a year in
[21:31] property tax it's the only Casino of the
[21:34] four licensed casinos in New York state
[21:36] that did not get a pilot and uh the
[21:40] property pays full taxes in addition the
[21:43] city and the county each get a share of
[21:45] the casino slots Revenue that amounted
[21:47] to $2.6 Million last year that's an
[21:50] addition to the property tax and of
[21:53] course the city benefits from sales tax
[21:56] the community benefits from occupancy
[21:57] tax
[21:58] tourism spending has increased
[22:00] dramatically in scany county and there's
[22:02] been a tremendous amount of development
[22:04] around the harbor frankly we would have
[22:06] not gotten the new train station if it
[22:08] wasn't for M Harbor and the
[22:12] casino this project we feel is it you
[22:14] know really epitomizes smart growth and
[22:17] one of the things that um Chris Wallen
[22:20] will remember the mayor is that
[22:22] everything was done when you build these
[22:25] projects there's more infrastructure
[22:26] work there's more Underground stuff than
[22:29] there is stuff above ground it's really
[22:32] the the base of the project is built
[22:34] first excuse me and uh we put in all new
[22:38] working with Paul Leon the city engineer
[22:42] all new water and sewer infrastructure
[22:44] was put in place at the developer's
[22:46] expense prior to the the the the project
[22:49] getting built and that coupled with what
[22:52] you've all done to improve the sewer
[22:54] system that $50 million sewer line which
[22:57] is one of the greatest achievements in
[22:59] infrastructure that I've seen in my
[23:01] career and I've been doing this a long
[23:02] time is the reason why the water quality
[23:05] has improved so much and we have hardly
[23:08] any outflows at all into the river this
[23:09] used to happen every day in skank there
[23:11] would be all kinds of municipal waste
[23:13] going right into the river well it
[23:16] doesn't happen anymore it wasn't an
[23:18] accident it was planned it was planned
[23:20] smart growth it was a joint effort with
[23:24] uh the city the gesi group Metroplex and
[23:27] what we have here today on site is the
[23:30] number one Regional tourism attraction
[23:34] in the Capital District according to the
[23:36] Aly Business Review is M haror we have
[23:39] almost 2 million people a year visits
[23:42] connected um to come to Mo Harbor and to
[23:46] the casino and to the other attractions
[23:48] on the site so it's been a really fun
[23:50] and exciting project a lot of hard work
[23:53] by a lot of people in this room and
[23:55] we're very grateful to their assistance
[23:57] but it's been a big big success want to
[23:59] give it back to Dave at this point to
[24:01] talk about how we put the team together
[24:03] to make it
[24:05] successful thank you right yeah this
[24:08] project uh and and like many others
[24:10] actually started in this room but you
[24:13] had every agency involved that I've ever
[24:15] been involved with you had esdc do the
[24:19] Secretary of State's office uh you had
[24:23] uh the county you had the the health
[24:25] department you had dec of course were
[24:28] the Brownfield credits I I think we we
[24:30] dotted every ey and crossed every te
[24:31] with every agency going but it showed
[24:34] how much if everybody worked together
[24:36] you can really create such an
[24:38] environment that that a project does is
[24:40] successful uh actually I was very proud
[24:43] that the governor highlighted this in
[24:44] her State the state this year and said
[24:46] MOA carber is the epitome and the poster
[24:50] child for uh justifying Economic
[24:53] Development by the state so that's
[24:55] pretty impressive she's she brags about
[24:57] connected when she talks about success
[24:59] which is which is terrific um one of the
[25:02] things we we we came up with was looking
[25:05] at this thing and saying you know by the
[25:07] way our gesi projects and the casino
[25:09] project we pay taxes of over $20 million
[25:12] a year in city and county and school so
[25:14] that's a big number so just we we do our
[25:17] fair share uh but the fact is that we
[25:21] wanted to come up with something that we
[25:22] felt was a little bit different that
[25:24] could impa benefit the
[25:26] community and benefit uh uh other
[25:29] stakeholders uh when we looked at the
[25:31] Aquatic Center we said what do we need
[25:33] to drink bring more people to SKC and
[25:36] they did a really nice job in terms of
[25:37] convincing me that this would bring a
[25:39] lot of people but when we looked at it
[25:42] and what some of their needs were these
[25:44] were bringing a lot of kids and swimming
[25:45] and all that stuff it was more
[25:47] beneficial to be a theia port and then
[25:49] we started talking to U Dr Harris at
[25:52] Union College about the needs of Union
[25:54] College that had a very upy gentle
[25:56] obsolete rink is that the right way to
[25:59] say it I was around in 1977 I believe it
[26:02] was when Achilles rink was built so it
[26:05] is it is a dinosaur so they they were
[26:07] looking for for a place to uh have their
[26:10] home games uh the stiming by space on
[26:14] campus uh we looked at it there was a
[26:17] need to Albany County rink is going to
[26:19] be closing probably sometime soon with
[26:21] the expansion of the airport so he said
[26:23] let's come up with a project that could
[26:25] benefit uh can bring in trade shows
[26:27] bring in uh the ability to uh to house
[26:30] Union College men's and women's to
[26:32] complement what's already out there most
[26:34] of these projects are done in all
[26:36] honesty by municipalities I don't know
[26:39] any of them that are not done by
[26:41] municipalities if you go right across
[26:43] the board Glenn Falls Albany County
[26:46] udica Rochester Syracuse they're all
[26:49] being run by municipalities and owned by
[26:51] municipalities this is kind of unique uh
[26:55] we sort of took a step back and said how
[26:57] do we we get this done by the private
[27:00] sector it's not easy to do these things
[27:01] don't make money they cost money but we
[27:04] don't want to put the burden on any of
[27:05] the municipalities to do it so we
[27:07] decided to uh uh lay out a plan that
[27:10] maximizes uh the use gives a lot of
[27:13] flexibility creates a a facility that
[27:16] could host D1 hockey men's and women's
[27:19] and be proud for the community we can go
[27:21] after other sports we've talked to
[27:23] people with hockey basketball soccer uh
[27:26] trade shows I I think we can compete
[27:28] with and some of the other casinos in
[27:31] the state particularly Turning Stone
[27:32] they've increased their Event Center and
[27:34] I go down there and I see all these
[27:35] trade shows and conventions that are
[27:38] going to Verona which I'm originally
[27:39] from R out in that area but we should
[27:41] have them here in the capital region
[27:43] have them this connected those are going
[27:44] to have such a huge impact uh for our
[27:47] restaurants for our hotels for our
[27:49] businesses and having people put us on
[27:51] the map here uh again when Union playing
[27:55] here you've got uh teams coming coming
[27:57] in from all over the
[27:59] Northeast coming here seeing this a
[28:01] brand new facility here and the rest of
[28:03] the development in moak Harbor is just
[28:05] one that's going to turn people's heads
[28:06] and make people really be aware of
[28:08] what's going on it's connected in New
[28:10] York uh this is a the hodge podge of
[28:13] financing we've got a commitment from uh
[28:15] Carl Hasty and and U um Kathy hokel uh
[28:20] we've got uh some commitments from uh
[28:22] Metroplex Angelo s barbar has been
[28:24] supportive of it uh from our standpoint
[28:27] this is this is not an easy thing to
[28:29] finance we've got to do pilings this is
[28:32] a an expensive project so we're looking
[28:35] for uh uh the community to step up SKC
[28:38] has not put any money into M Harbor a
[28:41] lot of support from the Departments Etc
[28:44] so from that standpoint we would look to
[28:46] just reposition the money that was
[28:48] allocated uh from the arpa for uh the
[28:51] Aquatic Center to can keep it at Mok
[28:54] Harbor because I think this will be
[28:56] really it the payback and the return on
[28:59] investment we feel will be dramatic for
[29:02] the city and if you really look at it
[29:04] the dollars are even less than one years
[29:05] of the one year of the casino tax
[29:09] alone next thankk
[29:12] you I talk no that's okay uh I'm going
[29:17] to wrap it up here because we know you
[29:18] have a busy meeting
[29:20] ahead this new attraction We Believe
[29:23] will continue to boost tourism spending
[29:25] in sked sked County
[29:28] it'll keep SKC in the Forefront we want
[29:30] to keep that number one ranking as far
[29:33] as a
[29:34] visitorship and uh tourism we want to
[29:37] stay in first place in Capital Region
[29:39] and compete with communities all over on
[29:42] New York State and the Northeast go to
[29:44] uica they just built a major new sports
[29:47] complex downtown major basketball other
[29:50] activities there over the holidays teams
[29:52] from this area going out to UA we want
[29:54] to attract that kind of event here as
[29:57] Dave mentioned the facility can be used
[29:59] for hockey basketball soccer lacrosse
[30:01] special events trade shows uh all kinds
[30:05] of um uses so that's one of the the
[30:07] benefits of this the more activity there
[30:10] is at the harbor the more Revenue comes
[30:13] into the city it's as simple as that you
[30:15] have to spend a little money to make a
[30:17] little money but it's certainly proven
[30:20] the case that more activity more
[30:22] visitors more spending get more revenue
[30:25] for the city so our request tonight
[30:28] respectfully is that we'd asked the
[30:31] council and the mayor uh to look at
[30:33] keeping the arpa funding that was
[30:35] allocated for m caror at M caror it's as
[30:40] simple as that the money will be used in
[30:42] total for infrastructure doesn't go into
[30:45] the building itself it's going to be
[30:47] used for infrastructure to handle the
[30:50] growth that is needed water sewer roads
[30:54] uh all of the underground work that has
[30:56] to be done the
[30:58] foundations um all of the work that has
[31:00] to be done to put this new building in
[31:02] place the new building is being paid for
[31:05] in large vast majority of the funding is
[31:08] coming from the gassi group Dave
[31:11] mentioned we do have some State support
[31:12] we thank the governor speaker Hasty and
[31:15] assembly Angela s barara for their help
[31:18] but what we really need is a commitment
[31:20] by the city so that we can sign that
[31:22] agreement with President Harris and uh
[31:26] move forward
[31:28] all the approvals are in place we we had
[31:30] a very thorough we went through the
[31:32] secret process we've been through the
[31:34] planning uh zoning board of appeals we
[31:37] went through your whole process here it
[31:39] was a very good process it was very
[31:42] positive and there were a lot of good
[31:43] detailed discussions so the project is
[31:46] shovel ready as we say in our business
[31:48] all the approvals are in place um we
[31:51] just need this last couple
[31:53] commitments think about it as building
[31:56] for the future it's it's an investment
[31:57] by the city in the future of the city
[32:00] it's infrastructure we need this to stay
[32:03] competitive with other entertainment
[32:05] venues other sports complexes that are
[32:07] being developed by uh other cities in
[32:10] the Northeast and the New York State and
[32:12] if you think about it the 2.5 million is
[32:14] less than one years's worth of your
[32:17] share of the casino revenue we're asking
[32:20] you to commit less than one year see
[32:22] it's a one onee
[32:25] commitment uh with this federal dollars
[32:27] that you have invest in this and it'll
[32:30] pay dividends for years to come happen
[32:33] to answer any questions I think just a
[32:36] couple of tidbits to by the way um Dr
[32:40] Harris is here Union College is making
[32:42] if the project happens a substantial
[32:44] Financial commitment and a long-term
[32:46] commitment for 25 years uh in putting
[32:51] substantial dollars into the project uh
[32:54] the casino has donated the land this is just a a mix and match of trying
[32:58] to create something that usually the
[33:01] state will write a check for $1.1
[33:02] billion for Buffalo Bills maybe but uh from that standpoint this is on a lot
[33:08] smaller scale but it's one that if we if
[33:11] we put it all together I think there's there's a great probability that
[33:15] this will work and we can be shovel
[33:17] ready and put shovels in the ground soon
[33:20] so we've got d Ray myself Dr Harris Joe
[33:23] any any questions from anybody on the
[33:25] floor the toal cost of the project $50
[33:29] million and R mentioned that the other
[33:32] or maybe we I'm sorry mentioned that the
[33:34] other Arenas Etc are owned by
[33:37] municipalities and who will own this one
[33:39] uh a subsidiary of the gesi group I
[33:42] really don't want
[33:44] to okay it was one of those where I said
[33:47] who wants to own it the city the county
[33:49] the union Metroplex everybody took a
[33:51] step back I was the only one that didn't
[33:54] move I think this is a really important
[33:56] point that the council president's
[33:57] raised she usually does is all the
[33:59] operational risk profit and loss
[34:01] expenses booking that usually falls on
[34:04] the communities as it does in Aly at the
[34:06] MVP Arena well falls on Aly County we
[34:09] did not have the county here or anyone
[34:11] else really willing to step up and take
[34:13] that profit and loss responsibility so
[34:16] the bless group stepped up and did it so
[34:18] we're looking for a one-time Capital
[34:20] infusion versus an
[34:23] ongoing contribution to the operations
[34:25] of the center so that's a real good
[34:27] question you asked it do you have an
[34:29] idea of the um tax revenue will
[34:33] generate we haven't done a complete like
[34:36] economic impact statement because we're
[34:38] trying to make sure that um we have um a
[34:43] consensus commitment from some of the
[34:44] funding sources including the city Dave
[34:47] mentioned the city to date has not put
[34:49] any contribution into the success of M
[34:52] Harbor so this is the first time we're
[34:53] asking for that and um but it we believe
[34:57] it'll be a very uh
[35:01] expansive um impact as far as visitors
[35:05] increasing traffic at the casino
[35:07] increasing traffic at the hotels there
[35:09] were a couple announcements behind this
[35:11] that are pending about future
[35:14] Investments That U May spin off from
[35:17] this Arena moving forward so we capture
[35:19] all of that and put it into an economic
[35:20] model but we have not completed that at
[35:22] this point how many Jabs do you think
[35:25] this will provide for
[35:27] [Music]
[35:29] you it's kind of an interesting one it's
[35:31] a very good question uh Joe I mean on a permanent basis you're probably
[35:36] talking 15 to 20 jobs but if if you take
[35:38] a look at like the MVP Center then
[35:40] downsizing it for instance they have 500
[35:43] jobs that come in depending on what what Advent you're having but it's it's
[35:47] going to be a lot of uh ups and downs
[35:49] along those lines but to run the
[35:51] facility it's not this is this is not a
[35:53] job Creator this this is designed to
[35:55] bring people in whether it's increasing
[35:57] the revenue uh for the city for
[36:00] occupancy taxes for sales taxes for uh I I would Envision the casino revenue
[36:06] hopefully going up we got a little
[36:08] challenge New York City's going to have
[36:09] casinos we've got to compete with those
[36:11] type of things too and we we've got some
[36:13] uh other areas um the the Indians for
[36:16] instance in Verona are keep expanding
[36:19] and and trying to cut into our business
[36:22] which impacts the city and the county
[36:23] and ourselves but th those are the
[36:26] reasons for it honesty I I Envision us
[36:28] going after some of the State High
[36:30] School championships and various Sports
[36:32] to really bring people there and this really will will create a game
[36:36] changer because it's a it's a right siiz
[36:38] venue uh we're not competing with the
[36:40] MVP Arena that's that's big that's
[36:43] 13,000 so that'll help gener jobs the
[36:46] restaurants areas around oh absolutely
[36:50] but again there's 1500 jobs now at the
[36:52] harbor good paying jobs and we're 50
[36:54] before and we think this going to
[36:55] continue to grow and it helps retain
[36:57] jobs as
[37:00] well so thank you for that presentation
[37:02] uh two questions first of which is you
[37:05] briefly were talking about the
[37:06] construction timeline um is there any
[37:08] definite of when you would break ground
[37:10] and part partly the question is uh for
[37:12] the the Union College is there any
[37:14] anticipations of next hockey season or
[37:16] when is the expectation to
[37:18] be well that's a good question but
[37:21] there's no way I can build it for next
[37:23] hockey season uh uh on
[37:29] uh um but but it's to
[37:33] answer so my joke Contin to we can do it
[37:36] next season if we switch to roller
[37:38] hockey I think you can get roller hockey
[37:41] in time um but I think you're ready to
[37:43] we're ready to engage the his project
[37:45] but ready to go said shovel ready the goal would be for un unions
[37:51] 2025 inaugural season which I think
[37:54] would be perfect TimeWise if we if we
[37:56] put shovel in the ground over the next
[37:59] 30 to 60 days which is what we'd like to
[38:01] do uh councilman we'd we'd love to uh
[38:04] left to just literally have a
[38:07] groundbreaking and get everybody
[38:09] involved in the thing and all the all
[38:11] the stakeholders and uh fortunately
[38:14] we've had a mild winter so far and we've
[38:16] be able to do some planning and doing
[38:17] some things there we've actually uh sunk
[38:20] a lot of time and effort into it it's
[38:22] not a done deal yet because of we're
[38:23] putting the funding together but if we
[38:25] can do this I'm excited about and
[38:27] starting as quickly as
[38:28] [Music]
[38:29] possible just kind add to that just
[38:31] quickly the other thing to think about
[38:33] with the Union piece we between men's
[38:35] and women we have two division one
[38:36] programs we have about 30 home games a
[38:38] year I love hockey I love Union hockey
[38:41] but it's not the greatest Fan Experience
[38:43] instead of Park in terms of parking
[38:45] right but if we have an opportunity for
[38:48] people to come down to Mohawk Harbor
[38:49] attend the game easily access then
[38:52] there're at restaurants and other venues
[38:54] there and around town so we want them to
[38:56] stay here and spend their dollars
[38:58] disconnect not get in the car and go off
[39:00] to Clifton Park or back home or wherever
[39:01] so I think there to the question about
[39:03] jobs and so forth just from the union
[39:05] hockey partners and everything else I
[39:06] think there are definitely positive
[39:09] externalities and the people around
[39:10] Union will be happy when they don't have
[39:12] to deal with the parking
[39:14] there question second question was the
[39:16] building is going to be built with the highest expectations in mind
[39:21] Renovations and continuing to make this
[39:23] be a beautification in the city uh you
[39:26] speak to just where that uh funding will
[39:29] be expected to come from it's coming
[39:31] from
[39:32] us there's it's a very unique structure
[39:36] and one that uh uh we're gambling that
[39:40] the the rest of the impact and the
[39:42] accretion to the rest of the property
[39:44] will provide us the ability to fund
[39:46] those operations but it's only on us
[39:48] there is no responsibility for Union
[39:50] pays their proportionate share of
[39:51] expenses so they're they're they're part
[39:53] of the funding operation as well uh but
[39:56] the fact is there's no City County
[39:58] Metroplex continuing obligation good
[40:01] question so I just uh thank you for the
[40:04] presentation very informative um I I
[40:06] guess something I kind of want to talk
[40:08] about was what I liked about the Aquatic
[40:11] Center was the the social impact and and
[40:14] having opportunity for young people um
[40:17] especially young people from
[40:19] marginalized communities to you know
[40:20] there were some um uh I guess I would
[40:24] say uh uh preliminary commitments if you
[40:27] will around like making sure that um
[40:30] people from margin Comm communities get
[40:32] the access that space and young people
[40:34] you know learn how to swim and things
[40:35] like that as I'm hearing that this is a
[40:37] multi-use space you know it seemed like
[40:40] there would be even more opportunity for uh you know maybe some Youth Sports
[40:45] and um maybe even some you know business
[40:47] internships and things like that um I
[40:49] just will just kind of get you have you
[40:51] know what's your willingness or really
[40:53] flexibility to make sure that there's
[40:54] kind of you know a clear community
[40:56] benefit outside of the economic pie this
[40:58] is a Community Asset first and foremost
[41:00] it really is if it was economics I'd be
[41:02] building apartments tomorrow we're full
[41:04] in the apartments so this is one uh this
[41:08] is a way for the gesi group to give back
[41:10] Union to give back the casino to give
[41:12] back uh but if if it was isolated to
[41:16] swimming they're great people at the
[41:18] Aquatic Center I think that's great
[41:19] they're going to they're going to do a
[41:20] nice job over there but this you're
[41:21] going to be able to do learn to skate
[41:24] learn to play hockey look cross soccer
[41:27] basketball uh let's say connected high
[41:30] as a big basketball game that they can't
[41:32] fit here you can move it here we can do
[41:34] some local stuff that's going to be
[41:36] pretty cool for the people and and and
[41:38] having another venue to practice inside
[41:40] uh you got to remember there's a lot of
[41:42] daytime nonuse uh so from that
[41:44] standpoint and then non hockey season
[41:46] too I mean you you've got let's just say
[41:50] we do we do summer night in SKC range we
[41:52] can do summer night over there too so
[41:54] you can you could have have some other
[41:55] events that this is this is a Community
[41:57] Asset my lasty graduations for Community
[42:00] College for instance they they they've
[42:02] been looking for venues for a long time
[42:05] so something or even a rain date if you
[42:07] get rained out at the campus so there's
[42:09] so many different things that uh that we
[42:11] can do but I I also really think uh this
[42:14] is something that's going to draw more
[42:16] people kids are going to be able to have
[42:18] access to uh uh some some sports and
[42:22] access to things the the the people
[42:24] watching the hockey games I some it's
[42:27] tough to get to no matter what I've
[42:28] tried a couple times it's not easy to
[42:30] get there so it's also going to bring up
[42:32] Union colleges stature as well as the
[42:34] cities and but I I really do think that
[42:37] we can really go after some of these
[42:39] Regional events that that are important
[42:41] and you see well some of the stuff uh
[42:44] that's up in Glen's Falls they get a lot
[42:46] of those things I mean we're a little
[42:48] better located if you want my
[42:50] opinion Mr I just want one final point
[42:54] if you don't mind Todd G here tonight
[42:56] he's in Cancun
[42:59] boo but he's
[43:02] already looking at events that he could
[43:04] attract here and there's a lot of
[43:05] interest I mean you know Regional
[43:07] tournaments there's so many so much
[43:10] Youth Sports has become an economic
[43:12] development um program so to attract
[43:16] them here you get the hotel movs Etc so
[43:18] Todd is not here tonight but he's
[43:20] already trying to poke events here Mr
[43:22] Toro had a question s i I think it would
[43:25] be a great com compliment to our already
[43:27] um famous a diamond and Central Park and
[43:30] the collegate sports that are happening
[43:32] over there thanks to the the college and
[43:34] the tennis as well the yes and the
[43:36] promoters that that uh fill that the a
[43:39] diamond every year so thank you John you
[43:41] got a question yeah um can you briefly
[43:43] touch on um the seating and the parking
[43:46] to go with the seating sure uh well
[43:50] there there is part plenty of parking on
[43:51] site uh we do have access to parking
[43:54] across the street as well uh on the
[43:56] corner of not and uh uh not and Max and
[44:00] actually we own Maxon as well uh we've
[44:04] done the parking study so there's enough
[44:06] to accommodate and really even the only
[44:08] challenges and uh I know Joe and Dave
[44:11] can help me out on that one the only
[44:13] really challenge you would probably have
[44:14] on on parking is on a probably Friday
[44:17] night a little bit it's going to be
[44:18] because the casino's busy and Union
[44:20] College hockey games are busy Union
[44:22] College Saturday hockey games are at
[44:24] 4:00 increasingly uh so from that
[44:26] standpoint but we we balanced it off if
[44:29] you go on site got remember our our
[44:31] office parking nobody parks there at
[44:34] nighttime so there's there's a lot of
[44:36] parking on site we've got all the
[44:39] specifics on the capacity for the arena
[44:41] is David I'm going to David all as far
[44:43] as seats go the capacity for the arena
[44:45] is 2250 seats for hockey events and then
[44:49] up to 3600 for other events when there's
[44:52] seats on the floor but you know it's
[44:55] 2250 is primarily what we're looking at
[44:58] and we size this to make it still very
[45:00] comfortable not not a big or you know
[45:02] want one probably couldn't afford
[45:05] building any any bigger but from that
[45:06] standpoint you want you want to still
[45:08] maintain the atmosphere that Achilles
[45:10] ring has speak to that at all well I
[45:13] just want get back to this whole
[45:15] Community piece I mean part of what
[45:16] excites me about this is having Union
[45:19] really be engaged with the community I
[45:21] think it's a win for Union it's a win
[45:23] for SKC um some of you may be aware that
[45:26] we had this program we've Run for the
[45:27] last few years now on Friday evenings in
[45:29] the fall our field hockey team runs a
[45:31] program for local youth show up with
[45:33] sneakers it's all you need they provide
[45:35] a stick and the women are really excited
[45:36] to give you a free clinic in field
[45:38] hockey from little kids up through e8th
[45:39] grade or so when it comes to the
[45:41] question about how we engage more
[45:43] broadly in the community last year Union
[45:45] College hosted an event talking about
[45:47] diversity and iceo there are fewer than
[45:49] five African-American coaches in all of
[45:51] division one ice hockey two of them work
[45:53] at you college and we've talked about
[45:55] the fact that we've can partner with
[45:56] Will revas in the past and others to try
[45:58] and figure out how we take this game
[46:00] that so many people love at Union and
[46:03] help a broader group Po Folks learn to
[46:05] enjoy it and even to get out on skates
[46:08] and you know skate around a little play
[46:09] a little plenty Patty and helmets and
[46:11] whatnot so we think this allows us to do
[46:13] even more of those kinds of activities
[46:14] we've been doing in
[46:16] col I think it's important we work with
[46:18] the school district uh and and Community
[46:21] groups to determine how we maximize it
[46:23] whether it's the boys and girls club or
[46:25] whether it's the y or whether it's the
[46:27] uh the the schools I mean the the sky's
[46:30] the limit this this is something you
[46:32] don't want to say if you build that they
[46:34] will come but this is going to be a
[46:35] great asset and a lot of communities
[46:37] don't have
[46:40] this um so we had a document from esdc
[46:44] which they kind of laid out what the
[46:45] funding was and um so they laid and
[46:49] based on this all of them funding is
[46:50] there so um but there was one part
[46:53] called Community company Equity so I
[46:57] guess that's you it doesn't show though
[46:59] that um which is 33 million but it
[47:01] doesn't show at all what's put in by
[47:03] Union College which I understand is 20
[47:06] million so I you're all aware of the
[47:08] document right yeah yes so it doesn't it
[47:10] breaks it down but according to based on
[47:12] this which all the council members did
[47:13] get um it shows that the entire cost is
[47:16] covered but um so but you're you're
[47:20] saying tonight that there's still a
[47:21] funding Gap so if you could just I'm
[47:24] just going they sent me you could just
[47:26] you know the funding Gap got increased
[47:28] by over $2 million by Pile in alone that
[47:31] we just brought out we have to deal with
[47:33] uh so we're we're probably we're going
[47:35] to end up if the project happens and we
[47:37] have we've not decided right now uh
[47:40] whether the Project's happening or not
[47:42] we need we need these sources of we need
[47:44] these sources of funding we will make a
[47:46] decision pretty quickly one way or the
[47:48] other but it's got it right now the
[47:51] funding by Union by the state uh by
[47:54] ourselves is is significant but it
[47:56] doesn't close the
[47:58] gap okay I'm just going on the doc I
[48:01] understand unfortunately numbers are moving every time you bid
[48:04] things out we have a place it's a very
[48:07] good question coun president uh I used
[48:09] to work at ESD so did David all and you
[48:12] have to balance the sources and uses in
[48:14] a document like this the public hearing
[48:15] is going to be Friday on the state's
[48:17] Grant uh and they have us down as in
[48:20] Metroplex I believe for to to you know
[48:24] and that's a placeholder
[48:26] that we put in hoping that we would
[48:28] secure this additional funding so that's
[48:30] where the money shows up um because you
[48:33] in a in a document like this the
[48:35] expenses have to mirror the sources and uses are the kind of the the
[48:40] foundation of of these Grant documents
[48:43] but the state understands exactly where
[48:45] we are with this project they're very
[48:47] supportive of it the governor supportive
[48:49] speaker Hy supportive uh Angelo S
[48:51] Roberts done a spectacular job in in uh advocating for this money it's such a
[48:57] welcome change for SKC to have an
[49:01] aggressive member of the majority in the
[49:04] New York State Assembly where for so
[49:06] many decades we did not and we weren't
[49:09] able to compete for funding like this so
[49:12] uh it's it's something that the state is
[49:14] extremely supportive and they're aware
[49:16] of all of our funding challenges and and
[49:19] opportunities at this point because we
[49:20] disclosed everything to the
[49:22] state so what shows up as Metroplex is
[49:25] really which is 2 million it's our
[49:27] placeholder for the for for for the
[49:29] hopeful hopeful from the city um so will
[49:32] there be a pilot at all with this
[49:34] project we're looking at a Pilot yes
[49:35] that takes advantage of the Brownfield
[49:37] program that the the site is in the
[49:39] brown Brownfield program and we we have
[49:43] yet to to to uh determine the exact
[49:45] amount of uh funding that'll be
[49:48] available from that but something we're
[49:49] looking at but it's a community center
[49:51] we're not looking for this to be a huge
[49:53] property taxpayer that's not what it's
[49:54] about it's about bringing people in the
[49:58] casino pays a huge property tax thank
[50:00] you Joe thank you Rush Street and rivers
[50:04] um this site in in total pays an
[50:06] enormous amount of property taxes uh and
[50:09] we've done a great job on that this
[50:10] building is not uh as a community center
[50:13] as an event center that they're not you
[50:15] know the MVP arena is not paying taxes
[50:17] these Arenas are not um uh big property
[50:21] tax generators their value is from
[50:23] visitation hotel stays sales tax and
[50:27] other revenue and again if some some of
[50:29] the folks who come here go over to the
[50:31] casino and their revenue increases the
[50:33] city gets a direct benefit from
[50:38] that P I just want to say I think that
[50:40] the project certainly has that economic
[50:43] benefit and um I think it would be
[50:45] fantastic and a fantastic compliment to
[50:47] what already exists at Mohawk Harbor
[50:49] which obviously has been such a great
[50:52] Boom for our city of skty and you know
[50:55] we can't can't I just think it's
[50:56] fantastic that we have that but I think
[50:58] the connection with the college is
[51:00] fantastic I think the connection in
[51:02] terms of the school district but also
[51:04] with younger you know with with kids in
[51:06] general um that it will expose our our
[51:09] youth to um a great deal of other
[51:12] activities um that might be available to
[51:14] them but I'm really thrilled about what
[51:16] I think will be the impact on the
[51:18] restaurants and the rest of the other
[51:21] types of Tourism attractions that we
[51:23] have here in skincity so it just
[51:24] continues to raise us higher and higher
[51:28] um in in terms of our place in the state
[51:30] so I appreciate the work that you put I
[51:32] think this really give is a very good
[51:34] comment I think this really gives
[51:35] another arrow in the quiver of uh
[51:38] discover concy really to go after a lot
[51:41] of those those people that are going to
[51:43] other places that we could have come
[51:45] here to our city uh to because then then
[51:48] they're going to see other things
[51:49] happening here they're just not going to
[51:51] an event center they just don't go to
[51:53] Union College hockey games they're going to go to all sorts of
[51:56] places and Todd Todd we have is a great
[51:59] guy great asset and he's totally excited
[52:02] about what the how we can compete
[52:04] throughout the
[52:08] [Music]
[52:09] state any other questions
[52:12] app I I do want to just point out one
[52:15] thing just because just so that
[52:16] everybody knows that when we talked
[52:17] about the arpa funding in terms of the
[52:19] Aquatic Center it was through an
[52:21] application process so I just want
[52:22] everybody to be aware that that is how
[52:25] we defin we allocated that money
[52:26] initially
[52:28] so
[52:30] okay I I think and again just you won't
[52:34] find another bigger supporter than the
[52:36] Aquatic Center than daveid I we we're
[52:37] the ones who recruited them to the ALCO
[52:39] site or the harbor site and we're uh
[52:43] working very very hard to make their
[52:45] vision and reality at vport uh what
[52:48] we're asking is that that funding which
[52:50] is really set aside for the harbor to do
[52:53] a sports entertain tainment Event Center
[52:57] related to Aquatics that it be allocated
[53:00] to this project which has
[53:02] multi-dimensional uses and that's our
[53:03] respectful request thank
[53:06] you I can just ask one question you're
[53:10] you know it's gone to the Planning
[53:11] Commission gone through the approval
[53:12] process uh some of your word choice was
[53:15] that like this is not 100% done what
[53:18] does it take to close the deal so that
[53:22] we can move forward with it we need
[53:25] one we have a public hearing with the
[53:28] state on Friday Friday uh we need uh a
[53:32] vote whenever you can do it here from
[53:34] the city uh Union uh deal is contingent
[53:40] on these these funding
[53:42] sources um uh in the county is uh we're
[53:46] having a resolution and meeting with the
[53:47] county too to for them to provide
[53:49] support as
[53:50] well so is it okay so I'm just going by
[53:53] the document so 5 mil at the county the county is yet to act on
[53:59] that okay so the county is that's onist
[54:02] it's we're working closely with the
[54:04] county and again as a host the tourism
[54:06] Bureau and uh have been extremely
[54:09] supportive we're supportive of the
[54:10] Aquatic Center continue to be support of
[54:12] the Aquatic Center get the fundamental
[54:14] role that Sports tourism plays so we're
[54:16] working with the county and esdc Grant
[54:19] is 10 million that's just the money that
[54:21] was provided in the state budget by the
[54:24] governor speaker Hasty and ass in Santa
[54:27] Barbara so again my question comes back
[54:29] to I don't see the the the um here Union
[54:33] College is not is not just here at all
[54:36] it's in the equity section oh okay
[54:37] you're you're including them there okay
[54:40] under company Equity okay the thing to
[54:44] keep in mind we're not an owner we're a
[54:45] tenant think we're effectively a
[54:47] lieutenant so that's guarantee that's
[54:50] part of that money that you see okay so
[54:53] Union's commitment is 25 years for use
[54:57] and they're prepaid for a lot of this to
[54:59] help fund the project okay so they 20
[55:02] million paids for all that would you
[55:03] just explain so the okay and the other
[55:05] 13 million then is that the colesy group
[55:08] Yes actually it's 15 and five but I we
[55:11] can get into the nuances they paid it
[55:13] over some over time but yes all right
[55:15] thank you and again because it's not
[55:17] municipally owned any construction risk
[55:20] any overage it's the responsibility of
[55:22] the GL the way this is structured which
[55:24] is very
[55:26] unique I mean it really wants to leave
[55:29] at this
[55:30] point no that story about Mo car Dave
[55:34] closed on the property on April Fool's
[55:36] Day on April 1st and early on there were
[55:38] a lot of challenges in the project and
[55:40] he used to always say to me I don't know
[55:41] if we made the right decision and we we
[55:43] all hearkened back to April Fool's Day
[55:45] but it turned out to be a wonderful
[55:47] project for commun again please don't
[55:49] forget that activity level prior to 2004
[55:53] which is a long time ago I know people
[55:55] say R look forward don't look back but
[55:57] it needs to be said tire recycling
[56:00] imagine that beautiful site imagine that
[56:02] Alco Legacy being lost imagine the fumes
[56:06] the dust imagine the negative impact on
[56:08] Union College from having the world's
[56:10] largest or the country's largest tire
[56:12] recycling facility at their front door
[56:15] separating them from the river it it
[56:17] would have been a disaster and when this
[56:20] when we started working on Long Harbor
[56:22] we had to can't do attitude prior 2004
[56:26] we were told this will never happen this
[56:27] cannot happen and we Pro them wrong and
[56:30] this project is another key step in
[56:33] moving the ball forward we cannot stand
[56:35] still we have to move the ball forward
[56:37] or the puck in this case you know you
[56:39] know the easiest thing for us to do is
[56:41] not do this project this is probably I'm
[56:45] old you guys are a lot younger than me
[56:47] but the fact is that if you look at what
[56:50] we're doing for connecting Investments
[56:52] whether it was the investment in MVP
[56:54] when the first started the thing back
[56:55] when it jump started Ray convincing us
[56:58] to do Center City which I'm not sure why
[57:00] or how but we did that the movie theater
[57:03] 797 Broadway gob's headquarters there's
[57:07] so many things that uh we did and this
[57:09] is one way and I'll honesty uh to give
[57:12] back I mean it is I mean we can those
[57:16] apartments our apartments are full we
[57:17] can we can fill up apartments on the
[57:19] other side but this is one that I think
[57:21] to tie Union College more into the
[57:23] community when we first came here before
[57:26] David was here Union College was an
[57:27] island now they're part of our community
[57:29] he's done a nice job in terms of
[57:30] integrating it in and I really believe
[57:32] that I think it it's one that it's just
[57:35] an opportunity that we can create and it
[57:38] just puts a bow on creating a nice
[57:40] Entertainer District question Mr Farley
[57:44] so um would it be uh pretty accurate to
[57:47] say that as amazing as it sounds and um
[57:51] certainly um there's a level of
[57:53] excitement in the room that without the city council support for
[57:56] this project it likely doesn't happen is
[57:59] that pretty accurate
[58:04] okay anybody else so I just want to you
[58:08] did say that we didn't the city did not
[58:10] um give any money towards towards the
[58:12] casino any Financial but I just have to
[58:15] say that the staff did a lot of work
[58:16] down there our know engineer was really
[58:18] involved I just got say some of some of
[58:20] them right here as a matter of fact did
[58:21] I see Chris Wallen here somewhere
[58:24] Anthony just saying this is the first
[58:26] time we've asked for a financial
[58:27] commitment of any kind in doing this
[58:29] project which I think is a significant
[58:31] point but we cannot say enough good work
[58:33] and when I talked about the sewer
[58:34] improvements how transformational that
[58:36] whole project is it doesn't get enough
[58:38] recognition and the Chris Rolland
[58:40] traffic circle that's right
[58:42] award-winning the awardwinning
[58:44] infrastructure improvements that were
[58:45] made outside the game uh really won the
[58:49] State Transportation award that year for
[58:52] the um not Street uh rail pass and the
[58:55] traffic
[58:56] circle but the other thing as you said
[58:58] earlier though think about when we first
[59:00] came we had raw sewage because you had
[59:03] infiltration storm water it was mixed
[59:06] with sewage going into the Mohawk River
[59:08] we saw it it is probably one of the
[59:10] cleaner sections of the river now and it
[59:13] it's it it is working with the city and
[59:15] working with Paul F and you're right the
[59:18] this could not have been done without a
[59:21] c do attitude on the part of the city
[59:24] really very very pleased you won't get
[59:26] anything right right from police chief
[59:29] fire chief every department head it was
[59:31] uh uh a lot of hard work but you know
[59:34] what they're proud too and when we drive
[59:36] through there and see all those
[59:37] employees I mean holy cow that that
[59:40] really that there's a lot of people's
[59:42] lives we impacted whether it's at Mok
[59:45] Harbor or the casino I mean with the
[59:46] amount of disc connected employees uh
[59:49] they've got raises very significant over
[59:52] the past years and they're doing very
[59:53] well you don't find many people leaving
[59:55] the employment that just you don't
[59:57] know yes Mr Williams has question then
[1:00:00] just in kind with your sentiment about
[1:00:02] Pride I had a conversation with the
[1:00:04] county legislator Omar mcel who um
[1:00:06] recounted that his uncles were integral
[1:00:09] in building the Empire Plaza in Albany
[1:00:12] and as we talk about similar projects
[1:00:14] where we can have opportunities for
[1:00:15] members of this community to be very
[1:00:17] involved in these types of uh
[1:00:19] development efforts I would love to see
[1:00:21] uh some of our local programs such as
[1:00:23] seat Center uh but other uh just better
[1:00:26] suited small businesses with
[1:00:27] opportunities to truly uh put their
[1:00:29] sweat and tears into these types of
[1:00:31] items so that they can see this the
[1:00:34] generationally their impact in the
[1:00:35] community absolutely the seat Center I
[1:00:37] know Joe we we hire a lot of people with
[1:00:39] the seat center right we so we we work
[1:00:41] with them but even on the construction
[1:00:43] side absolutely I mean some of this is
[1:00:45] going to be very specialized of course
[1:00:47] but uh uh from that standpoint uh we use
[1:00:50] a lot of local vendors I mean even the
[1:00:51] general contractor that we would pick
[1:00:53] with is locally here the Chas is
[1:00:55] headquarter right in SKC with our
[1:00:57] regional office SKC Hardware those are
[1:01:00] people that have been involved in this project from the start so you're
[1:01:04] absolutely right there will be major mwb
[1:01:06] contracts thank that was my question so
[1:01:09] this is you write you look in my paper
[1:01:12] yeah I'm going to write some more I
[1:01:14] can't
[1:01:15] read because I know the state has a 30%
[1:01:18] commitment for mwb and that's in the $10
[1:01:20] million for sure yes oh so it's only 30%
[1:01:23] of the 10 million it'll be and other
[1:01:24] parts of the funding streams as
[1:01:29] well okay that's it I didn't have any
[1:01:31] other questions we really thank you for
[1:01:33] taking the time it's uh it's exciting
[1:01:35] and uh Dr Harris Joe and the team thank
[1:01:38] you again for taking the time all right
[1:01:40] thank you coming thank you thank you I
[1:01:43] think that's
[1:01:45] your oh okay that's way the
[1:01:53] end
[1:01:55] Finance what fin
[1:01:59] yes
[1:02:04] friend thank
[1:02:15] you next on the agenda is
[1:02:18] finance thank you I would like to call
[1:02:21] the finance committee to order and we
[1:02:23] have one item and that is change in the
[1:02:25] CSA contract
[1:02:29] language
[1:02:31] thank all I got an easy War for you
[1:02:33] tonight here uh this is just an mou
[1:02:37] between the Citys connecti and uh CA uh
[1:02:40] it's just clarifying language uh in
[1:02:42] section 9 and section three uh regarding
[1:02:45] the call outs emergency call outs uh for
[1:02:48] specific group of CCA uh
[1:02:53] employees
[1:02:54] any
[1:02:56] questions it's just a substitution of
[1:02:58] language as far as there's no there's no
[1:03:00] change it's just clarification in
[1:03:02] language and this has to do with for DM
[1:03:05] or call it's for call outs and emergency
[1:03:07] call outs it's a 3-hour window uh
[1:03:10] specifically uh for code enforcement
[1:03:12] officers okay go ahead please so um
[1:03:16] since there's a clarification then um
[1:03:18] something must have come up to prompt
[1:03:20] that there was a some misunderstanding
[1:03:22] of it I believe there was a scenario uh
[1:03:24] a few years ago um there was uh
[1:03:27] miscommunication between the department
[1:03:30] and payroll on what was uh shouldn't be
[1:03:32] exactly paid out um and the the code
[1:03:35] enforcement officer um wasn't
[1:03:37] understanding what was actually written
[1:03:39] um in the agreement so um we made
[1:03:42] clarification language and different
[1:03:44] scenarios um so they could bridge that
[1:03:46] gap of
[1:03:47] understanding so in the past did we pay
[1:03:50] out based on the misunderstanding of the
[1:03:52] language um I'm not 100% sure on that
[1:03:54] out to look take a look at our records
[1:03:57] but and is anyone go ahead
[1:04:00] ma' the evolution of this is it used to
[1:04:03] be a 4-Hour call
[1:04:04] out the contract we modified that number
[1:04:07] of years back to go to a 3-hour call out
[1:04:11] is the employee uh is at time and a half
[1:04:14] at that
[1:04:15] point uh so we gained some savings on it
[1:04:19] and most times their call out uh can be
[1:04:23] adequate handled within a 3-hour window
[1:04:28] what was happening is when there are
[1:04:31] multiple call outs M so that if another
[1:04:35] event happens during that 3-hour
[1:04:39] window there was a question whether they
[1:04:42] were treating it as a separate call out
[1:04:44] and we get time and a half for another 3
[1:04:46] hours or they were still on call from
[1:04:49] the original call out and so this
[1:04:52] clarifies that so that anything that
[1:04:54] happens when they're called in in that
[1:04:56] 3-hour
[1:04:58] window that's the time they get so they
[1:05:01] might handle one call they might handle
[1:05:03] two calls could handle three calls after
[1:05:07] that they would be they go home or back
[1:05:10] on their own time in another call out
[1:05:12] that would reestablish another 3-hour
[1:05:15] window so prior to the clarification
[1:05:18] were we paying it out like there were
[1:05:19] times there were times
[1:05:22] when I will say the was not as accurate
[1:05:26] as it maybe should have been or may have
[1:05:28] been interpreted to different
[1:05:31] individuals benefit where yes the the
[1:05:35] payouts were
[1:05:36] not consistent with what I've just
[1:05:38] articulated okay and is there any
[1:05:41] individual that's expecting now to be
[1:05:43] reimbursed at the the old way before we
[1:05:46] um change this no this will clarify it
[1:05:49] and move forward everybody's on the same
[1:05:52] page and when was the actual document
[1:06:01] signed like September was 2023 September
[1:06:05] 25 925 2023
[1:06:09] okay I guess I'm just wondering why it's
[1:06:11] just coming Council action now I don't
[1:06:14] have an answer for so it had to go back
[1:06:16] to the there was a question whether we
[1:06:18] could do anou without going back to the
[1:06:21] full membership they wanted to take get
[1:06:24] back to the full membership so that in
[1:06:26] fact uh it did do that and then it came
[1:06:30] back and so now it's coming to the
[1:06:32] council okay but it's still the original
[1:06:35] signature date of September 2020 we
[1:06:39] have the terms and conditions of
[1:06:42] employment since that time in whatever
[1:06:45] it's September in fact a little bit
[1:06:47] before that have been consistent with
[1:06:49] what's outlined in the agreement
[1:06:53] okay those are my questions any other
[1:06:55] questions sen may I have a motion Mo
[1:06:59] second second all in favor I I thank you
[1:07:02] any other business before
[1:07:03] Finance may have a
[1:07:05] motion second all in favor I thank you
[1:07:09] uh I'd like to call to oh I'd like to
[1:07:12] call to order City development and
[1:07:13] planning uh we have 12 items on the
[1:07:16] agenda and I know that we have people
[1:07:19] here for the Central Park sidewalk so Mr
[1:07:22] M do you want to call that out of order
[1:07:23] so
[1:07:24] home if you don't mind I would
[1:07:25] appreciate I hope everyone else we do
[1:07:27] have uh people you want stay home
[1:07:30] meeting fine
[1:07:33] okay you are number eight so you can
[1:07:36] just stay right there you want to stay
[1:07:39] no
[1:07:40] you okay so um Mr M yeah thank you on
[1:07:45] the agenda thank you for putting this on
[1:07:46] the agenda this um going to ask Mr wall
[1:07:49] to give us an update on the Central Park
[1:07:51] sidewalk project and where we are at
[1:07:54] this point in time so that the resident
[1:07:56] there can get an
[1:08:01] update hello so where we are with this
[1:08:04] project right now is that we have a a
[1:08:06] petition in and we have looked at
[1:08:08] preliminary design options for the
[1:08:10] project um so to compare it what we
[1:08:13] wanted to do was we just successfully
[1:08:15] completed a similar project on North
[1:08:17] College Street in The Stockade that
[1:08:20] project was approximately 630 ft long uh
[1:08:23] with 1260 ft of curb and it cost uh
[1:08:27] $425,000 with uh some of those costs
[1:08:30] being assessed back to them at the rate
[1:08:31] of $55 a foot um for Central Parkway uh
[1:08:36] it is a unique Street being much longer
[1:08:38] twice as long wider with a median with
[1:08:41] the lights down the middle um so the
[1:08:43] length we actually is almost exactly two
[1:08:45] times that so costing wise um we looked
[1:08:49] and we estimating that the project will
[1:08:51] cost uh between 1 and 1 .2 million for a
[1:08:55] street uh reconstruction we have several
[1:08:58] options that we've been discussing
[1:09:00] internally um the options R all from um
[1:09:03] essentially put it back the way it is
[1:09:05] the street is two lanes with a center
[1:09:08] median but does not uh technically have
[1:09:10] on street parking people attempt to park
[1:09:12] on street but most of the time they uh
[1:09:15] park on the sidewalks and we're trying
[1:09:17] to avoid having people park on the
[1:09:19] sidewalks so we have options of um
[1:09:23] essentially do nothing put it back the
[1:09:24] way it is and post it for no parking um
[1:09:27] residents on one side have driveways on
[1:09:29] the other side have an Alleyway with
[1:09:31] driveways in the back and then we have
[1:09:33] uh several options uh the one uh one of
[1:09:36] which is parking on one side and one of
[1:09:38] which is parking on both sides but as we
[1:09:41] explore our options our costs and the
[1:09:43] impact of the neighborhood expand uh
[1:09:45] pretty significantly so uh right now we
[1:09:48] have no actions other than we have some
[1:09:50] plinary ideas um and the thought was
[1:09:53] then to um discuss that uh those costs
[1:09:56] and the impact that would be uh at this
[1:09:58] meeting and then possibly call a meeting
[1:10:00] with the residents to discuss what they
[1:10:02] would be in favor of going forward okay
[1:10:06] any questions so so you mentioned 1.5
[1:10:09] million 1.2 million that's the high high
[1:10:11] side yes that's the high side if we were
[1:10:13] to do essentially a complete Street
[1:10:15] reconstruction with parking with parking
[1:10:18] adjusting the the island yes uh it would
[1:10:20] be curbs parking lighting land
[1:10:24] Landscaping um it would be uh
[1:10:26] essentially complete Street
[1:10:27] reconstruction um haven't done one of
[1:10:30] those in my tenure here yet the
[1:10:32] residential area it would be almost akin
[1:10:34] to what we've been doing on Erie
[1:10:35] Boulevard where the entire Street would
[1:10:37] be reconstructed right now the lanes are
[1:10:41] um 15 ft so a typical travel Lane is 11
[1:10:45] ft and then we want an 8T on street
[1:10:47] parking linee for 19 ft total we have 15
[1:10:50] ft which leaves 4T um if someone were to
[1:10:53] Park uh really now people are kind of
[1:10:55] smart about it if they Park they Park
[1:10:57] where a turnaround is try to get around
[1:10:59] it but if you park where the curbing is
[1:11:01] you're impediment you're blocked so
[1:11:04] that's why people are parking on the
[1:11:05] sidewalk um you know there are options
[1:11:09] out there that uh that could be
[1:11:11] discussed but they weren't really pushed
[1:11:13] too far down the road which is um for
[1:11:16] possibly uh budget savings you could
[1:11:18] eliminate the island Al together and
[1:11:20] then if you eliminate the island then
[1:11:22] you have that 10 ft to use but the
[1:11:23] character of the street significantly
[1:11:25] changes um so and then there are you
[1:11:29] know we have we have quite a few things
[1:11:31] um but the street is significantly
[1:11:35] different um I know that uh for most
[1:11:38] people looking at it you would think
[1:11:39] it's very similar to right and de camp
[1:11:41] but right and de Camp already had the
[1:11:43] width to allow for parking so we
[1:11:46] essentially put it back there was no
[1:11:48] RightWay impacts there were no impacts
[1:11:50] to Residents um one of the things that
[1:11:52] we that we do have prepared for our
[1:11:54] meeting uh when it's called is you know
[1:11:56] impacts to the public um there would be
[1:11:58] several uh impacts to trees um
[1:12:01] essentially all um full grown trees
[1:12:04] within 5 ft of the existing sidewalk
[1:12:06] would have to be removed um most trees
[1:12:09] within the median would be removed so
[1:12:11] the street would be kind of starting
[1:12:13] from scratch it's not to say we wouldn't
[1:12:15] put Landscaping in but you do not
[1:12:16] replace a fully mature 60ft tree with a
[1:12:20] tree you replace it with a new tree so
[1:12:22] the impact would be that um the other
[1:12:25] thing just talking about you know
[1:12:27] positives and negatives as we would go
[1:12:28] forward is if the lanes get wider uh I
[1:12:32] drove the street in the last week six
[1:12:34] times I did not see a vehicle on the
[1:12:36] street at any point when I drove um an
[1:12:40] 18t Lane with no one parked on it is
[1:12:43] very wide so it will be also uh on us to
[1:12:49] you know try to Harbor the the speed
[1:12:51] issues that we always have because the
[1:12:53] lanes will be wider and the trees will
[1:12:55] be gone and trees tall trees help create
[1:12:57] that narrowing effect so there's a lot
[1:12:59] of you know positives and negatives that
[1:13:01] uh that we'd have to discuss with the
[1:13:02] residents on the street before moving
[1:13:04] forward in so do you have an estimate on
[1:13:07] uh keeping it the same way like the same
[1:13:10] if we were to put it right back the
[1:13:12] street if we were to put it right back
[1:13:14] the way it is I would say essentially a
[1:13:16] little south of a million dollar we
[1:13:19] probably have around a $250,000 savings
[1:13:21] to put it back the way it is you have to
[1:13:22] remember if we span two what we're doing
[1:13:25] is we're building a road where there
[1:13:26] wasn't a road so we have to do a full
[1:13:28] construction of a road where we're
[1:13:29] talking about subbase base binder all
[1:13:32] the way up uh to to expand that
[1:13:34] similarly if the island moves the island
[1:13:35] is grass we'll have to go down you know
[1:13:37] you go down 24 in to build up a road bed
[1:13:39] so that you have a consistent surface to
[1:13:41] run traffic on um so yeah so Mr um so if
[1:13:50] I'm understanding this correctly it's roughly million dollars to put it
[1:13:55] back to its to what was that really
[1:13:59] didn't meet maybe the needs of the
[1:14:01] people in the neighborhood but for a
[1:14:03] million two you can greatly change and
[1:14:06] increase the yeah that's
[1:14:09] what Fred Fred is uh he's our engineer
[1:14:12] on the project he did North College with
[1:14:14] us so he put some of this together so
[1:14:15] yeah $250,000 to give or take would give
[1:14:18] us would give us more but the impact
[1:14:20] would be
[1:14:22] noticeable and would it take so if
[1:14:25] rather than just kind of like fixing
[1:14:26] what there to how much longer would it
[1:14:29] take to do and to make all the changes
[1:14:32] that you've
[1:14:33] described uh it would probably factor of
[1:14:37] weeks I mean these are it's pretty
[1:14:38] simple it's not you know as complex as
[1:14:40] say the Central Park Pool project or the
[1:14:42] event center it's flat work uh if we
[1:14:44] were allowed to give them the site you
[1:14:47] know close the road to one side and
[1:14:49] allow them to work they probably work
[1:14:50] pretty expediently it wouldn't be the
[1:14:51] same amount but 3 weeks maybe only 3
[1:14:54] weeks longer um Granite curb is
[1:14:56] available so that's good the lighting is
[1:14:58] a little tricky because we probably have
[1:15:00] to replace the lighting which gets
[1:15:02] involved with now we're metering the
[1:15:04] lights because we probably take
[1:15:05] ownership of the lights and doing a
[1:15:07] little bit so maybe putting a a
[1:15:08] different kind of light in there like a
[1:15:10] park light um so it's not it's not as
[1:15:14] simple as it seems like every time we do
[1:15:16] a sidewalk program they're getting more
[1:15:18] complex not less complex I haven't
[1:15:20] figure that out yet cuz it's not you
[1:15:22] know that many streets like this but
[1:15:24] this is a complex project uh it's also expensive uh you know for a neighborhood street and the
[1:15:32] impacts are are going to be large to the residents because what we would
[1:15:35] like to do what we're recommending is
[1:15:37] that we would expand essentially to the
[1:15:40] West the side where the alley is because
[1:15:42] it's flat so that we would essentially
[1:15:45] hold the side with the hill and expand
[1:15:47] West so the The Neighbors on the west
[1:15:49] side with the alley would be impacted a
[1:15:51] little bit more than the Neighbors on
[1:15:52] the other side because we think that would be the best for the economy
[1:15:55] of scale um so that we're not cutting
[1:15:59] into the hill and affecting there's a
[1:16:00] retaining wall and stairs and some
[1:16:02] things on the on the east side of the
[1:16:03] roadway but these are all just things
[1:16:04] that we've looked at we have a lot of
[1:16:06] information um and we're just waiting on
[1:16:09] a call to have a public meeting with the residents which we actually
[1:16:12] don't have not had a format to do we've
[1:16:14] done that or via zoom and I think that
[1:16:18] Mr mut and you called that together
[1:16:19] before we we can do one you can do one
[1:16:21] of that should get them informed did you
[1:16:25] want to are you are you plan on doing
[1:16:26] Zoom again though with are you going to
[1:16:28] try we can do either Zoom or whatever is
[1:16:31] preferred I will reach out to the
[1:16:32] residents and prefer will do infor or
[1:16:35] Zoom whatever the choice I would suggest
[1:16:39] an iners meeting okay I think it would
[1:16:42] be better if people are a lot of elderly
[1:16:44] they're having a hard time with this
[1:16:46] it's complicated lot of the
[1:16:49] resents so AR we'll arrange um since you
[1:16:53] the point person we'll arrange an in
[1:16:55] person meeting and get some schedule
[1:16:57] some some timeline and provide it to the
[1:17:00] staff and the city council and the
[1:17:02] [Music]
[1:17:03] administration Mr William you have a
[1:17:05] question yes uh so putting on my
[1:17:06] resident uh frequent driver in scany had
[1:17:09] on uh it's nothing more depressing than
[1:17:11] seeing these efforts put forth they
[1:17:13] repaying streets similar to Eerie
[1:17:15] Boulevard and uh if you wouldn't mind
[1:17:17] just educating uh and then seeing the
[1:17:20] utility companies or seeing sections of
[1:17:22] the roads torn up and then having to
[1:17:25] kind of do a a so use the proper
[1:17:27] language just peace mealing pwk
[1:17:30] Patchwork Patchwork job which sort of
[1:17:33] kind of like negates the whole intent of
[1:17:36] redoing it is there any instance where
[1:17:39] that is going to be an issue with this
[1:17:41] on this project uh Central Parkway has
[1:17:43] been completed uh the parkway streets
[1:17:46] have been um we try to have
[1:17:48] coordinations with National Grid
[1:17:50] coordination meeting at the beginning of
[1:17:51] every year the issue becomes it's just
[1:17:55] um they have so many miles they do about
[1:17:57] 8 Miles so they essentially put as many
[1:18:00] miles of pipe in as we pave streets and
[1:18:02] as much as that we like to overlap and plan there is
[1:18:06] always an outlier um and so some of the
[1:18:09] commercial streets for example this is
[1:18:12] uh you know one of the things that we're
[1:18:13] looking at is I know that Upper Union
[1:18:15] Street business district is becoming
[1:18:18] Warn and that sooner than later we will
[1:18:21] be getting complaints about Paving that
[1:18:23] so that is an area that National Grid
[1:18:25] has not yet been in so we are working
[1:18:27] with National Grid to get in there and
[1:18:29] do it so that they can disrupt it and
[1:18:31] then we can come in and make it whole um
[1:18:34] and that is what we try to do um but we
[1:18:38] are not successful in every turn uh and
[1:18:41] then sometimes there was a issue uh on
[1:18:44] Albany Street where they actually had to
[1:18:45] put in a second main cuz the first main
[1:18:48] didn't adequately Supply the
[1:18:49] neighborhood with gas there was an issue
[1:18:51] on De camp uh where I was there and we
[1:18:55] ran out of gas and they had to put an
[1:18:56] emergency gas line in to connect to
[1:18:58] service more gas so there things that
[1:19:01] come up and we do get a lot of
[1:19:03] complaints about National Grid
[1:19:04] specifically right up behind me here on
[1:19:07] not Terrace where we did a Paving job to
[1:19:09] have them come and do a reinforcement
[1:19:11] there um
[1:19:13] and I I guess not to you know complain
[1:19:16] about it more but these are you know an
[1:19:19] $8 million project that requires
[1:19:21] coordination and I have a staff of two
[1:19:24] now if I had a full-time Road inspector
[1:19:28] that was tasked with managing grid maybe
[1:19:31] that gains us you know a little bit of
[1:19:32] Leverage but right now um the
[1:19:34] responsibility of managing this is
[1:19:36] shared between myself codes signals uh
[1:19:39] you know Metroplex sometimes gets
[1:19:41] involved with complaints uh we we've had
[1:19:43] complaints from County legislators you
[1:19:45] know we all kind of team to try to
[1:19:47] supervise that because there's not one
[1:19:49] person that's tasked with it and that is
[1:19:52] a difficult because for them National
[1:19:54] grd has about as many people in this
[1:19:55] room managing that project and we don't
[1:19:59] so it is challenging but and we hear
[1:20:03] about it but for Central Parkway we're
[1:20:05] not going to allow them to to go in and
[1:20:07] rip we'll make sure that the the gas Ms
[1:20:09] are done and if it seemed as if I was
[1:20:12] just I I truly appreciate the work your
[1:20:14] office no it's okay I I it pains me just
[1:20:17] as much but you get numb to it after 10
[1:20:19] years ripping the road
[1:20:21] apart I just want to add that when we um
[1:20:24] when we allocated a million dollar last
[1:20:26] year I think um we had set aside $55 per
[1:20:29] linear feed I think at that point in
[1:20:31] time if I'm not mistaken we set aside
[1:20:33] $55 pinear feed for basic sidewalk not
[1:20:36] for a project that is so complex like
[1:20:39] Central Parkway so we might want to
[1:20:42] reconsider that portion of either $55 or
[1:20:45] up it a little because of the
[1:20:48] complex this project being so complex
[1:20:50] but with including Island we moving ra
[1:20:53] expanding it if we were to go the full
[1:20:57] design $1.2 million correct we might
[1:21:00] want that would be that would be the
[1:21:02] prerogative of the city council I'm
[1:21:04] Comfort I'm just thr that on table
[1:21:05] because I'm comfortable in the $55 a
[1:21:08] foot for the residents yes Miss oh sorry
[1:21:12] um I guess I when I my understanding
[1:21:15] when we did that I thought that that was
[1:21:17] you know we were trying to keep it at
[1:21:18] the $55 for our residents regardless of
[1:21:21] the of the um
[1:21:23] project but I think um and I would
[1:21:25] support staying at the $55 I mean I
[1:21:28] think that's we had a lot of discussions
[1:21:30] at that point um around this issue but I
[1:21:33] guess when there is a public meeting um
[1:21:37] if that's if that's not going to be the
[1:21:39] case I think we would need to have you
[1:21:41] know ducks in a row by the time of that
[1:21:44] public meeting because I just don't want
[1:21:46] to see see us going back to what
[1:21:48] happened when first we started I mean I
[1:21:50] wasn't on the council when we first
[1:21:52] started sidewalk program but I certainly
[1:21:54] remember um the issues that we had when
[1:21:57] you know folks expected one um amount of
[1:22:00] money that they were going to be charged
[1:22:02] and then they got charged a different
[1:22:03] amount of money so I think the idea that
[1:22:05] we were trying to
[1:22:06] standardize um you know I I think it's
[1:22:10] still really valid yeah no my and I just
[1:22:12] want to add to that because we only
[1:22:14] allocated a million dollars toward
[1:22:15] sidewalk so if we were to the Central
[1:22:18] Parkway that's a million 1.5 so we might
[1:22:21] we would have to
[1:22:23] reallocate more money towards the
[1:22:25] sidewalk um program there for Central
[1:22:27] Parkway only which exceed our allocation
[1:22:30] of $1 million set asde so that's why I
[1:22:33] want to bring that to us to brainstorm
[1:22:36] and we did we've done the number so the
[1:22:38] estimate is is let's say we went and and
[1:22:40] this is also from a residential
[1:22:42] perspective you're paying the same no
[1:22:43] matter what option so there is no
[1:22:45] consequence of picking whatever option
[1:22:47] because the 55 is the 55 that's what I
[1:22:49] think right okay so and then that
[1:22:52] translates to roughly the entire block
[1:22:54] putting forward roughly
[1:22:56] $175,000 would be the assessment on the
[1:22:58] 1.2 million so then the the Gap is a
[1:23:03] little over a million
[1:23:06] dollar
[1:23:08] so if we were to S to 55 we would have
[1:23:11] to reallocate additional funding right
[1:23:13] so you know I want to bring that to the
[1:23:15] table so we are aware of that if we
[1:23:17] decide to move on that um
[1:23:20] fee okay
[1:23:23] so in terms of timeline um Mr
[1:23:26] W I'm I'm ready you ready I'm ready yep
[1:23:30] Ready schedule the meeting and we'll be
[1:23:32] there yeah so if I may so let me just
[1:23:35] understand the 1 million if you leave it
[1:23:38] at that that means no reconstruction
[1:23:40] you'll just put it back the way it is no
[1:23:42] it's a reconstruction but it goes back
[1:23:44] the way it actually would probably be a
[1:23:45] little narrower it would be within the
[1:23:47] footprint but no parking but that's the
[1:23:50] issue the parking is an issue for the
[1:23:52] residents on my side um the cars are
[1:23:56] getting hit we're getting tickets
[1:23:58] there's large vehicles that come up and
[1:24:00] down
[1:24:02] Park okay so um yeah but that's the kind
[1:24:06] of stuff thank you those a good point to
[1:24:07] bring up that's why they're going to
[1:24:08] have the public meeting because that's
[1:24:10] when that that's that discussion will
[1:24:12] take place and you can decide what is
[1:24:14] best for the yeah and there'll be other
[1:24:16] people obviously there at the meeting to voice their and then I'm sure the
[1:24:20] public can come not just Central par
[1:24:23] and then before we even do anything with
[1:24:25] these petitions I believe there's a
[1:24:26] public
[1:24:27] hearing so that there's a public hearing
[1:24:29] so that other residents once it's
[1:24:31] decided can Advocate if they think that
[1:24:33] this is an investment you know there
[1:24:35] it's it's a process yeah yeah we'll try
[1:24:38] to schedule the inperson meeting and
[1:24:40] then we move forward from there and then
[1:24:42] schedule U the public hearing and all
[1:24:45] the necessary um right items that need
[1:24:48] to be put in place to move forward with
[1:24:49] this project so we won't make decisions
[1:24:52] we the council will not make decisions
[1:24:53] without public input so I don't want
[1:24:55] that to be a concern for you what's our
[1:24:57] timeline with that the last meeting we
[1:25:00] had last year okay so Mr moonar is going
[1:25:03] to reach out and they're going to set a
[1:25:05] meeting we'll try to schedule something
[1:25:06] as fast as we can okay before somebody
[1:25:09] gets killed on the Block cuz around D
[1:25:12] ni's House That Sidewalk is really
[1:25:16] bad micophone you can't
[1:25:20] hear all right no cuz then we don't
[1:25:22] we're going to do it as best as we can
[1:25:23] as Mr W mentioned he's ready to go we'll
[1:25:25] just need input from the the resident
[1:25:28] and then the council need to do right we
[1:25:30] need to get our action in order and move
[1:25:33] forward right okay so we'll take care of
[1:25:36] that thank you uh any other questions no
[1:25:39] all right okay
[1:25:43] you so thank you for indulging so you
[1:25:45] guys get home
[1:25:50] safe so the first item on the agenda is
[1:25:53] fcal house
[1:25:55] car Miss
[1:25:59] car good evening city council Mr Mayor
[1:26:03] um the department of development and
[1:26:05] planning received a request from the
[1:26:07] Coco house asking that the city council
[1:26:10] revisit um their presentation that was
[1:26:13] presented in September of
[1:26:15] 2023 asking for a change in use of fund
[1:26:19] Coco house is asking that the $500,000 a
[1:26:22] fund allocated to them be used for
[1:26:24] salary and fr they provided an updated
[1:26:28] layout on how those funds would support
[1:26:30] salaries um I believe there are six
[1:26:32] employees one of them including the
[1:26:34] executive um director in addition to
[1:26:38] that they are also asking for the
[1:26:40] leverage fund requirement included in
[1:26:43] the resolution be removed to move
[1:26:45] forward with
[1:26:50] contract all right um so as Miss Carver
[1:26:53] laid out they initially were going to
[1:26:55] asking for 500,000 to do some
[1:26:58] construction work however um after
[1:27:03] because it took so long for their
[1:27:04] allocation they were able to get that
[1:27:06] funding other
[1:27:07] places and so now they're asking that
[1:27:10] the what we initially allocated towards
[1:27:13] that would now be moved over um to to
[1:27:16] use for salaries right all right when
[1:27:19] the last time they were there um I and
[1:27:22] everyone did you give this to everyone
[1:27:24] for in terms of the layout of the
[1:27:26] salaries that we have this here
[1:27:28] no all right so the one of the things
[1:27:31] that they came the last time when they
[1:27:32] asked for the allocation of the salar
[1:27:34] was that the 100,000 be all of it be
[1:27:37] towards the salary for the executive
[1:27:40] director um and then the other salaries
[1:27:42] I don't really they didn't really lay
[1:27:44] out how they were going to um to pay
[1:27:46] that and what I asked at that time was
[1:27:49] if you could just if there's a way that
[1:27:51] there could you in addition to the money
[1:27:52] that we would allocate that there would
[1:27:54] be other funding to go towards that so
[1:27:56] not all of the funding our funding went
[1:27:58] towards um just executive director
[1:28:00] salary and I was told at the time that would happen I haven't seen that so
[1:28:05] um I'm not opposed to reallocating uh
[1:28:08] toward salaries but I think the
[1:28:10] structure of it needs to be taken in
[1:28:11] consideration of how we structure
[1:28:15] it Miss Patrick I think um well don't
[1:28:18] you mean I mean they have provided us
[1:28:20] with how they would allocate the the funding so um I mean I'm in
[1:28:26] favor of this I I want to point out that
[1:28:28] it's not I mean the idea is
[1:28:30] that we remember that we're trying to do
[1:28:33] an expansion of their program offerings
[1:28:35] so it's not just about it is about
[1:28:37] salary I get that that that's they're
[1:28:38] spending the money but they're doing it
[1:28:40] because they want to expand the options
[1:28:42] that they're providing to the youth that
[1:28:44] they Ser so I just want to make sure we
[1:28:46] get that on the record here um but I
[1:28:50] don't I I guess if we we are to move
[1:28:52] forward with this I don't want to you
[1:28:55] know sort of uh I don't know better word
[1:28:57] use but I don't think we need to
[1:28:58] micromanage what they do internally I I
[1:29:01] don't know um I I'm I'm satisfied with
[1:29:05] the way that they have laid it out here
[1:29:07] on this chart that they provided well
[1:29:08] this is new it wasn't laid out like this
[1:29:10] before before Oh no okay I guess I
[1:29:12] thought you just were I thought you were
[1:29:15] looking for more information no no
[1:29:17] originally it was laid out that um the
[1:29:19] entire amount that would come from arpa
[1:29:21] would go only towards the executive
[1:29:23] director's
[1:29:25] salary right so what I was saying is if
[1:29:28] we're going to provide that salary that
[1:29:30] it needs and you're you're planning on
[1:29:31] bringing in all these different other
[1:29:33] positions that don't currently exist
[1:29:35] that that amount that we allocate should
[1:29:37] be spread amongst all of those those
[1:29:40] positions so those people actually we
[1:29:41] make sure that there's salary for when
[1:29:43] they're hired gotcha okay so that was my question so that is my only
[1:29:47] concern that we we spread it out this
[1:29:49] answers that for my in my opinion
[1:29:52] does the arbor fund allow to draw down 3
[1:29:55] years from now the salar um it has to be
[1:29:58] allocated by the end of 2024 this year
[1:30:01] and then has to be spent by the end of
[1:30:05] 2026 so um we're already in 2024 and by
[1:30:08] the time they execute contracts it may
[1:30:11] not even be the full 500,000 just
[1:30:13] because they're already I don't know
[1:30:15] that we can really um I know that we
[1:30:18] cannot I should say pay retroactively so
[1:30:20] it would be have to would be after the
[1:30:22] contract is
[1:30:26] signed yes Mr Toro um what has Coco
[1:30:29] house been doing prior to this for
[1:30:32] salaries they got other grants and they
[1:30:35] let me just say they're getting ready to
[1:30:36] I think it's 27 years now Mr let me just
[1:30:38] be clear that Mr um Rebus was not there
[1:30:41] for 27 years but since he's taken over
[1:30:44] it stayed open
[1:30:45] consistently and you know he's uh the
[1:30:49] Community Foundation I know has been a
[1:30:50] part of it so they they look for money
[1:30:52] in order to continue their program to
[1:30:54] run and how will they continue after
[1:30:57] 2026 what they did probably before 20824
[1:31:00] is to continue um looking for Grants um
[1:31:05] to to continue the program as many
[1:31:06] nonprofits in our city do absolutely and
[1:31:10] what about how many how many
[1:31:13] um um students is he facilitating after
[1:31:16] school uh did he come here and speak
[1:31:19] something about yes he did September last um
[1:31:22] the r the ratio of it has gone down
[1:31:25] after qu I I kind of forgot what he said
[1:31:28] if you can just help me with that he the
[1:31:31] amount of students that are coming after
[1:31:33] school has
[1:31:34] decreased um he may have alluded
[1:31:37] something during Co which everybody saw
[1:31:39] a decrease in all programs but but
[1:31:41] there's another program that's being uh
[1:31:44] that's happening in the school district
[1:31:45] where most of the students are going
[1:31:47] after school and his has decreased a
[1:31:49] little
[1:31:50] bit not familiar with that Mr far yeah
[1:31:53] so I think
[1:31:54] um and just my best understanding of
[1:31:58] what the request is to um you know again
[1:32:02] to uh fund uh the salaries for program
[1:32:06] expansion and I think that the program
[1:32:07] expansion then you expand your capacity
[1:32:09] to serve uh of the students uh that um
[1:32:12] are attending cabs and I think also like
[1:32:15] there are you know a lot of different
[1:32:17] variables as to why you know program
[1:32:19] attendance um could increase or disc
[1:32:22] decrease but I think that that doesn't
[1:32:24] necessarily change the um uh the ex
[1:32:29] expectation for robust programming for Youth and it so I think that that
[1:32:33] can um I appreciate what your
[1:32:36] in my best understanding kind of
[1:32:39] recollect what he was saying was that Co
[1:32:41] did impact as it did all but looking to
[1:32:44] um increase yeah looking to increase capacity to serve uh kids in
[1:32:53] Mr so so the funding here that is
[1:32:55] breaking out here the back here is that
[1:32:57] the full funding in terms of the salary
[1:32:59] allocation here yes so they're asking us
[1:33:04] to readjust the allocation the
[1:33:07] allocation and to fund
[1:33:10] these the Staffing position full time
[1:33:13] two full-time and four part-time part
[1:33:15] time is so the question to follow by
[1:33:18] that is
[1:33:19] that if we were
[1:33:22] I'm just saying this if you were not a
[1:33:23] fund us where would they receive the
[1:33:25] funding from well in the letter of
[1:33:27] support and in the presentation that
[1:33:29] they presented if I recall correctly his
[1:33:31] act was for him if he gets this funding
[1:33:34] he can become a full-time employee
[1:33:36] currently he is not full-time so that he
[1:33:38] could go after the funds um for
[1:33:40] sustainability after the funding and
[1:33:42] then the letter of support they said
[1:33:43] between now and 20 27 if they would have
[1:33:47] fully replenished um the arpa arpa funds
[1:33:50] to move forward
[1:33:52] Mr fley so and I would just uh kind of
[1:33:56] maybe reate I probably see some some
[1:33:58] variation of this in the past especially
[1:34:00] when we're dealing with um you know
[1:34:02] smaller smaller nonprofits um you know a
[1:34:06] lot of times the smaller nonprofits
[1:34:08] don't have the capacity they don't have
[1:34:09] a development department they don't have
[1:34:11] some of the things that these real
[1:34:12] larger big boxing field nonprofits have
[1:34:14] so and so sometimes our line of
[1:34:17] questioning for them is a little
[1:34:19] different than what it is for larger uh
[1:34:22] nonprofits because they don't have that
[1:34:25] they don't they don't have that capacity
[1:34:26] and I think that what if I again what my
[1:34:29] understanding is that this money would
[1:34:32] um allow uh for staff to do some
[1:34:35] capacity growing capacity in order to
[1:34:38] sustain you know it's kind of one of
[1:34:39] those things that you can't go after
[1:34:41] grant money you know as as we all know
[1:34:44] grant money is extremely competitive
[1:34:46] process when you're deal competing with
[1:34:50] you know a couple nonprofit Prof who
[1:34:51] have full development departments and
[1:34:53] people who are making just their payroll
[1:34:55] the development department is uh
[1:34:57] exceeding um this ass probably you know
[1:35:00] twofold sometimes so I just something
[1:35:02] that we should keep in mind M Patrick
[1:35:04] well I'm going to say that a similar a
[1:35:06] similar statement which is I think that
[1:35:08] um part of this is that if we grow if he
[1:35:11] grows the capacity if the organization's
[1:35:13] able to offer more programming it is
[1:35:16] going to make them more attractive to
[1:35:19] private funders so I think that was what
[1:35:22] he was trying to present to us I mean
[1:35:23] he'd have three years to uh be he's he's
[1:35:27] a pretty successful fundraiser if you
[1:35:29] ask me based on my experience as a
[1:35:31] fundraiser um I mean I think we've all
[1:35:33] watched this organization grow by Leaps
[1:35:35] and Bounds over the last several years
[1:35:37] and a lot of that has to do with he's
[1:35:39] able to show the success that he you
[1:35:42] know I think that's key to development
[1:35:44] is being able to prove the outcomes that
[1:35:46] you're you're getting um and so he's
[1:35:49] been able to pretty much sustain his
[1:35:51] fundraising um because he's able to show
[1:35:54] um what he accomplishes for the Youth
[1:35:56] that he is serving so I think that if he
[1:35:59] is able to hire in particular I think
[1:36:02] these part-time people but um if he
[1:36:04] really is able to expand his program
[1:36:07] offerings I think that's just going to
[1:36:08] add to the level of outcomes that he's
[1:36:11] going to be able to continue to show to
[1:36:12] private funders I mean he gets a
[1:36:14] tremendous amount of support from many
[1:36:16] of our prominent uh private foundations
[1:36:21] uh including the SKC Foundation um and
[1:36:24] others in in the region so I think
[1:36:26] that's where that's how I would answer
[1:36:29] that that's how I see the sustainability
[1:36:31] happening after the ARA funding and I
[1:36:34] guess just to quote Mr Gillan from
[1:36:36] earlier but you do have to spend money
[1:36:37] to make money even from a nonprofit uh
[1:36:41] development standpoint I can't tell you
[1:36:42] how many times I argu with bosses about that particular piece that that
[1:36:47] you do have to kind of you know step up
[1:36:49] to the plate if you want to really grow
[1:36:51] as a
[1:36:52] nonprofit and I think PA go ahead Mr for
[1:36:56] Alex I know we've had issues before with
[1:36:58] how we can spend our money I mean when
[1:37:01] we want it to put it in our budget is
[1:37:02] this acceptable Alex okay the my
[1:37:05] question yes and again I want to just
[1:37:08] reiterate that uh they asked for funding
[1:37:10] to use on a particular thing and because
[1:37:12] the funding wasn't forthcoming we they went had to do it anyway and I
[1:37:16] don't know if any of you have been there
[1:37:18] but the work that they wanted to do
[1:37:20] actually got done and so there therefore
[1:37:22] asking that you know now we still
[1:37:24] support um the efforts that are being
[1:37:26] done there in the community in a um a
[1:37:28] much needed community that we just use
[1:37:31] it in a different way so and my only
[1:37:34] concern like I said was that it just not
[1:37:35] all of One salary that we spread it out
[1:37:37] to all the positions that they said they
[1:37:38] want to
[1:37:41] hire anybody else so we so at this point
[1:37:46] in time we would um the the motion would
[1:37:49] be to we move to take away the match is
[1:37:52] what they're asking and to also to
[1:37:54] reallocate this to um to use for salary
[1:37:58] as outlined in the document they
[1:38:00] submitted to us
[1:38:03] so Mr
[1:38:09] M I'm going to pass okay I'll second all
[1:38:13] those in
[1:38:15] favor okay all right um bcni she's going
[1:38:19] to be she's going to be up here for a
[1:38:22] while um our department received a
[1:38:25] request from Better Community
[1:38:27] neighborhoods in regards to their
[1:38:28] Hamilton Hill infill are for funding
[1:38:31] they are asking the city council to
[1:38:33] revisit um their requests um to lower
[1:38:38] the leveraged amount of funds needed to
[1:38:40] move forward with contract um in their
[1:38:42] in the resolution they had 18 to one
[1:38:45] match and they are looking to do a
[1:38:47] onetoone match um and they are ready to
[1:38:50] move forward with the project if that is
[1:38:52] to
[1:38:53] be as you remember um Shane BG who is
[1:38:57] the new executive director came before
[1:38:59] us a few couple Cycles ago to explain
[1:39:01] the project saying that we're really
[1:39:03] ready to go uh when it came time to drop
[1:39:05] the contract we know that what happened
[1:39:07] was the previous executive director made
[1:39:09] a 18 to1 match for the ARA funds that we
[1:39:12] were um willing to to allocate which is
[1:39:15] pretty significant actually I'm
[1:39:16] surprised that that was offered but um
[1:39:19] but having revisiting it um and they
[1:39:22] really to get this project moved for 18
[1:39:23] to1 is just it's difficult to manage
[1:39:27] yeah I've never heard of that never
[1:39:28] heard okay so um so he's just asking
[1:39:31] that the match now be um one to one one
[1:39:34] to one and the approval of the use of
[1:39:37] arpa funds is needed for them to move
[1:39:39] forward with their New York State home
[1:39:40] AR
[1:39:42] application any amount of their arpa
[1:39:44] funds they were getting 500 is it
[1:39:46] 500,000 right, and I just want to point
[1:39:49] out that they do have that one match SEC
[1:39:53] they already have that secure they just
[1:39:54] need us to move on
[1:39:55] this are you scratching
[1:39:59] okay so so the ask is to uh to to change
[1:40:05] the leverage fund amount from 8.5
[1:40:08] million to
[1:40:10] 500,000 any discussion about
[1:40:13] that any all right all motion I'm moov
[1:40:18] second all in favor I
[1:40:21] okay all right and now item number three
[1:40:24] is going to be a followup on arpa follow
[1:40:26] up on arpa
[1:40:28] okay we are almost
[1:40:31] there we are
[1:40:34] 95% um in contract with all uh approved
[1:40:39] organizations with the exception of
[1:40:42] those who have requested
[1:40:44] extension those extensions are as
[1:40:47] follows and our department is actively
[1:40:50] working with these organizations already
[1:40:52] to make sure that um they have what they
[1:40:54] need by the time their extension expires
[1:40:57] we have Coco house bcni Electric City
[1:41:01] Co-Op and YWCA extensions will be
[1:41:04] expiring on March 12th
[1:41:07] 2024 the only contract that is not been
[1:41:10] a we have not executed is the Habitat
[1:41:13] for Humanity contract and that is
[1:41:15] because habitat still has additional
[1:41:18] funding sources spread all around that
[1:41:21] they have un been unsuccessful with
[1:41:23] spending down at this time so once we
[1:41:26] can get them with the strategy to spend
[1:41:29] down the money we'll move forward with
[1:41:30] executing the ARA contract but our staff
[1:41:33] is working with them actively right now
[1:41:35] and this is really surrounding the New
[1:41:37] York State um home funding that they
[1:41:39] have so they have a lot of money kind of
[1:41:42] sitting on a table right
[1:41:44] now U the Coco house which just did the
[1:41:47] presentation the 12th BC and I will be
[1:41:49] moving forward before their extension is
[1:41:52] up the Electric City Co-Op the
[1:41:54] department has met with them to see what
[1:41:56] their plans are and making sure that we
[1:41:57] just give them all the necessary um
[1:41:59] tools that they need to present if they
[1:42:01] need another extension or just be
[1:42:03] prepared to move forward after March
[1:42:05] well Electric City
[1:42:08] Co-Op and the YW and YWCA YWCA has an
[1:42:14] extension and then they requested
[1:42:15] additional fund arpa funding we did put
[1:42:18] a request into the executive director to get that um request formally in
[1:42:23] writing so once I get that request I'll
[1:42:25] be able to do a legislative request for
[1:42:27] it right did you me to Bethesda I'm
[1:42:29] sorry if I missed it Bethesda no didn't
[1:42:31] get Toda I'm sorry I'm sorry Bethesda is
[1:42:33] in
[1:42:35] contract um you read did you mention a
[1:42:38] miracle and Craig I missed it or do you
[1:42:41] have any up I didn't get there yet
[1:42:44] Mr I thought you were up I just was
[1:42:46] talking about the ones who had the
[1:42:49] extension they have an EXT they had an
[1:42:52] extension but with okay she's going to
[1:42:54] get to it mirac miracu on Craig will not
[1:42:58] be moving forward they have put in a
[1:43:01] formal request to remove to transfer
[1:43:03] title back to the city of skty so our
[1:43:07] department is working with law um to
[1:43:10] ensure that that happens
[1:43:14] properly mayor do you have anything you
[1:43:16] want to say about that
[1:43:18] you okay at this point we're yeah
[1:43:21] working then we'll take title back I
[1:43:24] shouldn't say we take title say a use
[1:43:26] agreement so that we'll clear that up
[1:43:28] and then uh uh Alex is looking at other
[1:43:32] scenarios and we'll try and see what the
[1:43:35] future of that building
[1:43:37] is we we have an appointment to go look
[1:43:40] into we're meeting with Rosa and we're
[1:43:42] meeting with t Maurice myself and Rod
[1:43:45] Garner we are going to view the
[1:43:47] properties and the additional um
[1:43:49] properties that are associated with
[1:43:51] marac break sometime next week okay Miss
[1:43:53] Patrick so the can you remind me Alex um
[1:43:57] the funding was like 2.5
[1:44:00] million2 what is
[1:44:02] it2 1.2 1.25 okay so that money would
[1:44:07] come back to us in terms of well we're
[1:44:10] not sure yet we're going to have to so let me just um state that part of
[1:44:13] this project and I think we all knew
[1:44:15] that the community was really looking
[1:44:16] for a community center and um there have
[1:44:19] been and there not for conversation so
[1:44:21] there's there's only so much that um I
[1:44:23] can talk about um but there's other
[1:44:26] groups who as that was working with mlc
[1:44:29] that didn't have they weren't totally
[1:44:31] formalized yet um kind of found out
[1:44:34] about this afterwards and so that that
[1:44:36] group was thought through their moving
[1:44:38] ahead so more conversations will have to
[1:44:41] take place in terms of does that group
[1:44:42] take it over and what does it look like
[1:44:43] with the city working and I'm not sure
[1:44:46] what that looks like so it's it's very
[1:44:47] informal conversations right
[1:44:49] now the SKC Kanas house declined their
[1:44:54] funding they had
[1:44:55] $110,000 in ARA funds that was allocated
[1:44:59] and they we went we sent over the
[1:45:01] contract and they declined and said they
[1:45:03] would not like to move forward they were
[1:45:05] building benches
[1:45:07] room tables okay they
[1:45:11] did I know and lastly um we received a
[1:45:16] formal request from the Bethesda house
[1:45:19] um who was currently in contract um they
[1:45:22] receive funding towards the car house
[1:45:25] they are looking for an additional
[1:45:27] $200,000 and arpa funding um to pay some
[1:45:32] outstanding um bills associated with the car
[1:45:37] house so um go ahead Mr I think you're
[1:45:40] probably to ask the same question retro
[1:45:43] payments retro payments no oh sorry my
[1:45:47] question is I think we ran into a
[1:45:49] similar scenario with the
[1:45:51] um Can U pro um can they is that
[1:45:55] appropriate use them to submit the they
[1:45:58] haven't I haven't seen the dates of the
[1:46:00] invoices yet but their contract is still
[1:46:02] valid okay so if it has happened within
[1:46:04] the last 12 months um it would be
[1:46:08] acceptable use thank you um so there's some other things that um some
[1:46:13] emails that we've receiv received
[1:46:14] regarding beesa house so I think and
[1:46:16] since they're under contract any
[1:46:18] discussion about that would want to do
[1:46:20] an executive session so um I would
[1:46:23] suggest that we just discuss the rest of
[1:46:25] it in executive session yes Mr turo
[1:46:28] thank you um Alex you spoke about um
[1:46:31] someone wanting a second extension I was
[1:46:34] under the assumption that from March the
[1:46:36] end of March no more extensions correct
[1:46:39] we kind of put because did we are you
[1:46:42] asking about this particular one um not
[1:46:44] that particular I think I said it for
[1:46:46] Electric City Co-Op just because I met
[1:46:48] with them and they they threw that in
[1:46:50] the air so I'm prematurely sing that
[1:46:52] Council I think we discussed that
[1:46:54] Council that we had to put a dead uh uh
[1:46:57] an end dat on extensions um so right am
[1:47:02] I right I believe you we did say that
[1:47:05] because we have to get the money
[1:47:06] allocated right and we can't keep
[1:47:07] kicking the can down the road right yeah I think I think we spoke on
[1:47:11] that in terms of extension that to allow
[1:47:13] any more extension let's give them
[1:47:16] adequate time the last extension and
[1:47:18] then take about moving the the funding
[1:47:20] to the city uh to the city projects
[1:47:22] thank yes right you have more I have
[1:47:26] none okay so we'll take up um Bethesda
[1:47:31] house carara house discussion in
[1:47:33] executive
[1:47:34] session
[1:47:36] okay and so oh Mr wall my back item
[1:47:41] number
[1:47:48] four 56 M okay okay police station
[1:47:53] server room HVAC Chiller replacement so
[1:47:56] what we have uh in the police station we
[1:47:58] have both the computer server room and
[1:48:00] what is affectionally known as the CRA
[1:48:01] room which is the city's camera
[1:48:03] surveillance room the rooms are um air
[1:48:08] conditioning independently of the rest
[1:48:09] of the building they have separate units
[1:48:11] the two units that service them are well
[1:48:15] P pass their service life one unit is
[1:48:17] been down for over a year and its parts
[1:48:19] are being used to keep the other unit
[1:48:21] running um it's just a precarious
[1:48:24] position we don't want to have um so we
[1:48:26] have a bid to put a new called a crack
[1:48:29] unit and then a split unit crack is a
[1:48:32] computer room specific unit um we had
[1:48:35] two bids and the low bid was from R&B
[1:48:39] mechanical who does uh a lot of work
[1:48:42] with the city the bid was uh actually
[1:48:45] wellin our budget and we're comfortable
[1:48:47] with awarding
[1:48:48] it so do we already we have this money
[1:48:51] is already yes this is from capital I
[1:48:53] believe from capital budget yes this is
[1:48:56] capital money we uh set aside money for
[1:48:58] Capital Improvements in our 2023 capital
[1:49:01] budget so that's coming out of there all
[1:49:03] right any questions it that's second all
[1:49:06] in favor I thank you and item number
[1:49:08] five item number five is court agreement
[1:49:12] correct yes y 5year term from 2023 to
[1:49:17] 2028 yep so as you're aware um the city
[1:49:20] now houses the state courts so courts
[1:49:23] are no longer run by the city they're
[1:49:24] run by the state under the unified court
[1:49:26] system we have to sign a 5e revolving
[1:49:28] agreement with them through that
[1:49:30] agreement they agree to pay us for um
[1:49:34] the maintenance and upkeep of the
[1:49:35] facilities utility costs things like
[1:49:37] that essentially as a tenant and us as
[1:49:40] the landlord um this 5year agreement uh
[1:49:43] is up and then after this five during
[1:49:45] this 5-year agreement we do one-year
[1:49:47] reviews and quarterly reports um all
[1:49:50] through throughout the year so I have uh
[1:49:53] I work with the chief Clerk of the city
[1:49:55] doing quarter reports and I work with
[1:49:57] their office of administrative
[1:49:58] management once a year through the end
[1:50:00] of your reports
[1:50:02] so any questions how do I know that like
[1:50:06] court system may say let's we want you
[1:50:09] to build another additional courtroom
[1:50:11] and and typically is AAL fund it you
[1:50:16] know you need to expand you need you
[1:50:17] know it's a requirement you need another
[1:50:19] judge
[1:50:20] um having this agreement how's that I
[1:50:22] mean how do we anticipate that or you
[1:50:25] know anticipate that the potential tax
[1:50:27] increased after do that so they they I I
[1:50:30] have had some experience at the county
[1:50:32] where they like this is no longer an
[1:50:33] appropriate facility you need to do a
[1:50:36] new courtroom um I mean anything any way
[1:50:40] to kind of um in that agreement is any
[1:50:43] kind of language about that if they say
[1:50:46] add another courtroom how that would be
[1:50:48] funded no well it doesn't address that
[1:50:51] specifically um we are in you know
[1:50:55] conversations with them about a hearing
[1:50:56] room um and they are you know talking to
[1:50:59] us about the hearing room in the court
[1:51:00] facilities always uh we have a unique
[1:51:03] Court situation here at the city where
[1:51:04] we have two buildings which is uh unique
[1:51:08] uh to some but that this is more of an
[1:51:11] operating agreement for the 5 years and
[1:51:13] it and uh it just kind of goes back to
[1:51:16] our reimbursement which is in the
[1:51:17] appendices in the
[1:51:18] back
[1:51:20] other
[1:51:22] questions a motion Some Mo second all in
[1:51:26] favor I and item number six the
[1:51:29] revokable permit for wh Kett yep so what
[1:51:32] we'd like to do with this one is
[1:51:33] essentially amend uh the revocable
[1:51:35] permit which has already been issued um
[1:51:37] this is very simple they're going to be
[1:51:40] screening off their uh recessed outdoor
[1:51:43] space as they get a lot of uh bancy in
[1:51:46] that area and uh one of the things is
[1:51:49] the door is kind of right on the right
[1:51:51] away because of the the property line so
[1:51:53] we have the easiest thing is just to
[1:51:54] make sure the door is added in to the to
[1:51:57] the revokable permit and so that's what
[1:51:59] we're looking to do is just amend it so
[1:52:00] it includes the retractable awnings and
[1:52:02] the overhangs and now the patio door so where the patio is currently where
[1:52:07] you can just kind of go in and sit
[1:52:10] without anything you know they're not
[1:52:11] opening a door now they're going to
[1:52:12] actually put in a door it's going to be
[1:52:14] like a big
[1:52:16] screened almost like a screen
[1:52:18] transparent wall then there's going to
[1:52:20] be a screen door oh okay so the issue is
[1:52:23] you know at night they put all the
[1:52:25] tables in there but it was open but
[1:52:27] people would go into the space secluded
[1:52:30] area and then they were having issues
[1:52:32] with that so they like to be able to
[1:52:33] keep people out of the the space that's
[1:52:35] out of site
[1:52:37] okay any other questions no I'll it
[1:52:41] second all in
[1:52:43] favor and so item number seven
[1:52:47] is revokable for the RB Lounge uh right
[1:52:51] down the street the rabbit Lounge uh is
[1:52:53] a rebranded uh it's going to be a salon
[1:52:55] I had to ask what the rabbit Lounge was
[1:52:58] I was
[1:52:59] intrigued uh but it is for uh a sign on
[1:53:02] an existing sign post so what is the
[1:53:04] rabbit La I I believe it's a beauty
[1:53:06] salon oh that is taking place in the
[1:53:08] existing there was a former beauty salon
[1:53:10] there and they're just uh going under
[1:53:13] like new management or new operat so so
[1:53:16] for historic information there was
[1:53:17] another facility named the rabbit Lounge
[1:53:19] it's connected and it was not a bey so
[1:53:21] oh so I thought it might be like a cat
[1:53:23] cafe you know where you go into the
[1:53:25] rabbit's
[1:53:27] run not exactly so uh any
[1:53:31] questions a
[1:53:33] [Music]
[1:53:35] motion all in
[1:53:37] favor thank you very much wall
[1:53:41] um so we already did the update for the
[1:53:46] uh for the sidewalk so the next is a
[1:53:49] ceremonial resolution recognizing black
[1:53:51] history months um and actually this will
[1:53:53] be Mr Harley um something we do every
[1:53:57] year for black history month so just
[1:53:58] looking for um Mr you want to speak to
[1:54:01] that I'm sorry sure something we do
[1:54:03] every year uh celebrating in Black
[1:54:05] History Month um just uh looking uh to
[1:54:08] put have another resolution recognizing
[1:54:10] Black History Month and all the uh
[1:54:13] contributions um uh made by uh people of
[1:54:17] color uh in the city is concy and
[1:54:19] Nationwide and also not just recogn also
[1:54:22] recognizing that black history is
[1:54:24] American history and um the way we
[1:54:27] acknowledge our history um will inform
[1:54:30] our future so very important our
[1:54:32] resolation just look for support for
[1:54:35] that second all in favor thank
[1:54:39] you uh the remainder are property sales
[1:54:43] yes so for that we would go into
[1:54:46] executive
[1:54:48] session and also we would also continue
[1:54:51] um discussing the Bethesda House of
[1:54:53] three that session just so to make sure
[1:54:55] that everyone understand that being done
[1:54:57] so uh ask for motion to go on Executive
[1:54:59] session second all in favor okay we'll
[1:55:03] go on Executive session the public would
[1:55:05] have to leave
[1:55:10] [Music]
[1:55:14] and