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he call to order this connected city
council committee meeting for Monday
February 5th
2024 and the first committee is finance
Mr M there thank you madam president
call to order finance committee and
first item is an intergovernmental
cooperation
agreement good evening good evening uh
we're looking to inter to agreement with
the S County Probation Department to
accept $40,000 of their give grant
funding to
add it to our give grant funding to be
used towards our anti-violence
coordinator that we have working for us
currently it's the amount of
$40,000 no matching no this match and
this These funds were actually included
in my original budget request for
revenue and I put it together originally
so this would uh round out the total
revenue any
questions may have a motion Mo second all in favor all right
I next item is the grant award better
cities for pets Chief yes uh this is
award from Mars pet care and Civic
Design Center in the amount of $20,000
with an additional $2,000 available are
for Consulting support these would go
towards create the program the scti pets
are Family 2 assistance program for
residents within the city if anyone has
any specific questions on the program
itself I Lieutenant Dalton who drafted
up the program if you don't mind us give
us an update real
prly so the uh Grant we became a better
cities for Pet City uh certified last
year may McCarthy asked me to look into
a grant opportunity for uh for this
grant that was going to be awarded
there's just a certain number of cities
in the United States that are going to
get it so I looked at past programs and
some needs of the city and people in our
community and came up with this program
um submitted it with the help of
Michelle Davis and my ACO Elizabeth book
and we came up with this program we were
selected to win the Grant and uh it's
aim of the grant is to establish the
program which will help uh Indigent
people or people experience crisis with
pets um help them keep their pets so if
somebody has a house fire and they don't
have food they need medical issues with
the with the animal they need uh help
with uh crates and and uh supplies and
stuff like this this gives an Avenue for
us to help them out there's also
um so there's also some other help in
here that wasn't previously available
through the city code for uh help with
dog licensing rabies vaccinations vet
costs and other uh housing and housing
supply issues so basically this gives us
a way to help people in crisis with
their
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animals uh this is primarily for City
residents this is only for City res
any other questions does this apply to
dog
ciz by you're
good
than that's all right we'll beat
you um does this apply to dogs cats and
there other animals that need to be
licensed with the city does that matter
have any we only license dogs so that
wouldn't matter if their pets
are we'll just send them into the
clerk's office so they can get license
the next if for the purpose of Licensing
it only would apply to dogs but for the
medical food housing and supplies um it
doesn't matter what the pet is we'll be
able to help with
that so was there some conversation it's
sort of like um what's going along with
what M man said about at least
registering other animals so in case
there's an emergency a fire or something
they know that the animals there is that
going be a a part of or something that
you plan on doing no that's not part of
but okay I thought that was something
that we were talking M
President we are doing that as a part of
a discussion with local company in terms
of upgrading our licensing process and
automating it allow better record
keeping with that and while it's
primarily focusing on
dogs the option would be there is what
we're exploring that'll come back to the
city council for final decision but the
option would be for uh an individual
family to register a pet so that if
there was a fire or some other event
there that a responder would know that
there's cats uh some other animal in the
building and and could act accordingly
but it wouldn't be licensing but it
would just be again a
registry thank
you I was just going to add um I I
should specify this isn't only for
people who have uh problem with a fire
it's for for any crisis situation so it
could be domestic violence it could be
homelessness that is uh being
experienced or addiction issues where
somebody needs to uh they lose their
house because of that or they have to go
to rehab or something like that there's
a variety of circumstances people could
apply
for and is this is this a yearly this is
a yearly Grant so we have to apply for a
year if we run out of
funds I believe this is a two-year Grant
and uh
we have to recertify with better cities
every two years thank you um I'd just
like to thank you and and Animal control
officer Liz and Michelle Davis for uh
working on this Grant and getting it the
mayor help out a little
bit and may Gary McCarthy I'd like to
thank Gary Gary McCarthy as we all know
uh our pets become part of our family
and our life and especially when you're
in crisis um you definitely want to keep
them with you so thank you very much
thank Lieutenant dton put it together
we're the only city in New York state
that has this designation for Mars and
so that they're looking forward of
working with us not only through this
grant but the licensing program and some
are just general interaction to make the
community more pet
friendly thank you is there a timeline
to hold these
bets I'm sorry
timeline to hold
them if somebody gets in Crisis crisis
how long you hold
uh it's going to depend on every
circumstance because you know we can't
predict the actual needs um there would
be a timeline where uh what would apply
to if there hous that Mohawk Hudson
which would be $120 in shelter
assistance for Mohawk Hudson which would
be uh 3
days any other
questions see may have a motion Mo
second second all favor thank you thank you thank
you the next item is a 2024 capital
budget reappropriation thato upgrade Mr
Ferrari council president Council mayor
um the 2024 capital budget part of it uh
that was passed included $200,000 for uh
it equipment and servers um well we told
by the IT department is that there's a a
definite and early need to to get these
servers uh uh the storage units and the
upgrades of the network uh switches as
early as possible now as we go through
the process of getting the uh Capital
project going uh we would not receive
the money until May of 2024 whereas we
like to put in uh invoices and start
purchasing um this equipment now so that
we have it in a timely miror uh this is
something that that we've done in the
past uh mostly with the garbage trucks
where what we like to do is borrow the
use the money from our fund balance up
until we receive our uh uh loan money uh
from the ban or bond that we're about to
take once we receive that money in may
we will reimburse the uh fund balance uh
in that amount to make it
even so what we're looking to do is move in start allocating the money as
soon as possible so we can start the
purchase of uh the storage units uh the
recovery upgrades and the servers and
the
switches question any questions see on
may have a motion second thank you very
much all in favor I thank you thank you
and it thanks you
too thanks the next item is the call for
public hearing the Central Park sidewalk
Improvement
project um just an update last Monday we
had a wonderful meeting with had several
of the homeowners in Central Parkway and
they pretty much give us an okay to move
forward with a sidewalk project um
something that has been many years in
the waiting for and it's finally going
to happen so I'm going to ask U Mr wng
just to give us a brief update you on
the project and the PA
forwards hello so as many of you were
aware uh cuz a lot of you were in
attendance we had a public meeting for
Central Parkway for sidewalks uh a
Monday ago and the outcome of that
meeting was that the residents of the
street unanimously with the residents
who were in attendance unanimously
supported the idea of maintaining the
character of the street as it is uh and
leaving the street essentially uh how it
is constructed today which is with no
parking on the roadway it was explain
that to uh accommodate parking on the
roadway to code uh to make the lanes
wider we would be losing uh a majority
of the mature trees within the envelope
of the roadway and this was deemed uh
not acceptable to those in attendance so
what we will be doing is I have uh some
information we revised our typical
sections and the concept and we will be
making that available as materials for
the public hearing and we will see uh I
think we will also be mailing out that
to all of the residents on the street so
that they uh even those who weren't in
attendance can see what is being
proposed for the roadway and then um
hopefully if there are any objections or
support they will come to the public
hearing then from that point from the
public hearing on uh we'll take that as
a notice to proceed with the design and
then move forward with the design of the
project um the schedule that I roughly
gave was that it'll take us uh probably
a month to do the design of it since
it's going to be a little simpler with
it being inside uh of the roadway that's
existing and then we're looking to bid
in April with construction in the
summer go ahead um definitely thank you
for putting on uh the event Mr M as well
um I was asking with the mailers that
were going to go out to the households
do we certify mail just because I want
to ensure how do we concern confirm
receipt okay we could certify mail yes
we'll do mailing also we'll do um hand
deliver because the organizer who is
guing us along this they will also be
integral and helping us make sure
everybody has a copy of the new version
that we're moving
forward and I'm sorry you said
construction begin plan oh oh probably
in the summer I would say sometime
probably in August okay thank you an
estimated to be like 3 months out three
months out to complete the job yeah yeah
I would say 60 days you will see the
majority of the work but 90 would be a
good window so we want to make sure that
it's done this year but if we can if we
can get it out and April that should
give us a big enough time frame and like
I explained at the meeting uh the
project is fairly straightforward um the
thing that we're just going to have to
uh research is work with John on we are
going to look to upgrade the lighting on
the roadway there was a desire for that
so we're going to uh look at the
decorative white poles and where a meter
would go things like
that yeah I think that's that came up of
the discussion is to make sure that we
are following your guideline your
timeline sorry to make sure that we have
call for the public hearing and not and
any impede your U mov yeah no this is as expedited as you can have it
to call for public hearing the week
after the meeting can't get faster than
that so it's good any other questions
comments I just yeah I just want to say
it was nice to attend that and I just
think anytime we're providing the
citizens with an opportunity to really
weigh in on uh you know what the
neighborhood is going to look like I
think this is a clear win for that so
thank you for your work and thank you uh
Mr M for that as well thank everyone for
participating and help us along the way
it's not it's not one or two person was
pushing is all of us so may I have a
motion to move forward calling for
public hearing second all in favor thank
you the next item is international broad
Electrical Workers Local 236
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me took a
while say off to you just going give us
a brief of this
agreement
summarize executive session it's
contract right isn't the contract these
have yeah sorry sorry these have to do
with contract
so we should we should take these into
executive
session uh you could if you have uh
specific issues
there if Council has specific questions
I can answer them or want to go into
executive session we have been provided
the uh terms and
conditions we
should yeah CU they yeah please okay so
for the three three item item five six
and seven we'll go um move those into
executive
session and then we'll move for the next
item number eight B Hill property lease
agreement Miss bfield thank you um so
I'm bringing this forward U the city
owns a property which it rents out on
Bev Hill and um and it's it it's where
the um the municipal water reservoir is run from and so you it's on btown LOA
I've provided all of you with the last
agreement which was in
2015 and we haven't raised the rent from
$500 since 2015 so um since
uh it's going revenue is like going to
be top of our list this year um I
brought this forward so we can really
consider increasing this rent uh $500
for rent is not even close to in line
with what people are paying today uh
almost any place so I'm bringing this
forward so we can have a discussion
around increasing um that that rent
after 9 years probably something that
should have been done yearly but it
wasn't so um I think we should take into
consideration what the RS are these days
and they're anywhere between $1,100 and
$1,500 um so I think we should as a
council um consider increasing the rent
on this
property goad please well I guess I'd
want to know you know how much you
wanted to increase it by but also uh I'm
thinking that we probably have some sort
of agreement with the employee that is
in the home so we have to figure that
out into the context of it as well in
terms of that person's salary or it
probably has been a benefit of the job
so I mean you know to change it um would
affect that as well so um I'm not sure
if it's a benefit of job I do know that
we pay also pay the National Grid so um
that's a part of it as well so it's just
the last 500 is all that that the
individual is paying so um if we need to
take a look at their um their contract
as in terms of an employee we certainly
can do that but um definitely after 9
years $500 in 2024 is a very quite
reasonable
rent go ahead please and then to your
point U Miss Patrick I don't think we
need to reset the market with regards
like raising the rent but definitely I
can uh see Miss porterfield's point of
having rents at that um at that
threshold for a considerable amount of
time truly renting is an issue
throughout the city so I definitely
think we are beyond the timeline to just
reevaluate and again I do not think we
need to increase it substantial um
amount but definitely I think it is
beyond the point of consideration to at
least increase it
somewhat go ahead you have okay yeah I I
would like to I think I spoke on this
before that um I've looked lots of
places where um human board or housing
is a benefit and a consideration of the
job that that that was held um I'd like
to know what it you know if there's
anything in the contract um for this
individual who who resides here um and
if there's not I would like to put
something maybe into the contract I
don't know how we would do that stating
that this would be a benefit and of the
uh position that
this Mr go ahead please sorry I was
going to ask yeah no I was just um
wondering and this is probably a point
of clarity for me as well if we're
talking about a particular individual
and employee and the benefits um isn't
that something that we should be
discussing EXA your session or not I
think we should because it's going to
get deeper and as we discuss here in
public about a specific
employee so I am suggesting that we um
take it into executive session okay
absolutely and we can ask the may have
for more update on the individual and if
there's any person found sorry an
agreement in their contract and the
contract is this part of the contract
May
with this
person I'm not sure what contract you're
asking about um there are council
members who seem to think that as part
of this employees um employment this is
part of what they're
guaranteed there is substantial other
activities that the employee does that
have not been narrated as part of the
discussion tonight would reflect the
overall
value that
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arrangement I think we should but 9
years is a significant amount of time
and and over those 9 years we have um
increased the individual salary so it's
not like we're not increasing their
salary but we now we're trying to
increase their rent so I think it's a a
worthwh
conversation so we'll move this into
executive session finance committee uh
we'll have four items for the executive
session St know what item we have a
motion to recess Mo second all in favor
thank you
okay have to call order government Ops
so um we have four agenda items the
first agenda is mwv Project updates
contract compliance and that's Mr
M thank you uh sir um just up this this
is something that we have been doing for
some time Dred for a year or two and
we're ask our perative action officer um
to give us an update of where we are in
terms of U project compliance in terms
of
mwbe and if we what is our goal and our
aim aims and objectives in terms of
achieving U the mwb requirement so I ask
you just give us a brief up
there good evening good afternoon thank
you for the opportunity um yeah just in
uh in summary just in a brief uh update
uh 23 has been a rather um challenging
year when it comes to you know just
doing business and anything in general
but in terms of our mwbe compliance um
our goals uh is basically uh 30% unless
we're overridden by uh you know state
agency or federal agency 15% for
minority 15% for for women um during 23
we had uh 15 projects that was uh that
we were monitoring and tracking and our
overall goals on those that we reached
was
189% for the W M wbe combined and then
for the MBE by itself was 5% so uh you
know we got a ways to go our program
itself is good but you know it's it's
time for you know enhancement and moving
forward and bringing in some things and
tools to make it work um so so you know
there there's a lot there so that's
pretty much where we are we're pretty
much in line with most uh agencies
around the the region anything pretty
much out of New York City we're pretty
much in that ballpark in terms of where
they are so so we've had a lot to uh to
do that
also because of the funding that we have
we've been focusing on the section three
component as well and we've had a lot of
good success in terms of the lead
program and getting section three
uh contractors involved and we're
fortunate in that regard because all of
the contractors that participate in that
program are section three and all of the
workers with the exception of two
workers are sex residents so so we have
a good um response and a good robust
program there but again we have an issue
with capacity getting more firms out
here to participate and building up the
capacity and you know things along those
lines so that's where we're um you focus
it on to try to you know make that
happen any questions concerns yeah so um
I I have two questions actually um
compared to our past years he said I um
are we seeing any Improvement first and
foremost yes to answer your question yes
there's definitely Improvement um
there's definitely uh momentum to moving
the bar in a direction where it needs to
be B but there's there's two things that
we have to do here one is we have to
encourage and uh entice more people to
bid on opportunities uh and we have to
encourage and uh entice the prime
contractors to be more um outgoing in
terms of reaching out and you know
making that happen now terms of you know
what the law requires and the good VAP
efforts and all that stuff you know
they're there but there's room to be
made where we can really make a
significant difference by one building
the capacity of the furnit we're trying
to bring on board bringing more
companies into the fold and introducing
opportunities and the third
thing that this body can do I think is
when you look at things specifically to
the uh the street payment program now
that's hist start we been on the low
side 3% 2% or whatever but it's
historically there because it's very
limited store and historically the
programs are put out in one big contract
so for example you got the pav and the
sidewalks and all that stuff to go
together so you got one contractor that
gets that so it's you limit the pool of
firms that can participate in that space
so one thing that could be considered is
maybe on on a project like that is
breaking the scope down in other words
you know debundling some of these things
so you can have more of an opportunity
for some of the smaller firms to you
know compete with and you know and what
I mean by that specifically is do we
have to have the sidewalks and the pav
everything all in one can we break out
the sidewalks something or can we you
know do you know can we do something
more creative so that you can de de
bundle you know these pieces so that
folks can have a little bit more
opportunity to um you know participate
in that
space so just
so I imagine that the reason why we
bundle it might be maybe some cost
savings or something like that but
you're saying that by kinding to
debundling that if you will it'll give
more our minority women owned businesses
uh who might I have the capacity of the
low larger scale but where they can be
more competitive they would have an
opportunity okay thank you like Carl
second question I oh well my other
question I'm
sorry my other he actually answered my
other question
so so my question was going to be I
don't know if it's appropriate I know
Chris was here Mr W um how realistic is
it and I guess that question is for the council um to Deb bundle it I know
you're basically highlighting some cost
savings is there a specific reason uh
could we get a followup from Mr W
afterwards because if it is um a an
option using that as an example it's
very much something that we're going to
be addressing in the coming months I
think we should position ourselves to be
able to open up those opportunities for
some of our um NWS as your suggestion
yeah absolutely and and the other thing
that makes that uh particularly Merit at
this particular juncture we've been
working with the Empire State
development you know technical
assistance and we've been doing this to
build the pool of firms out here and
capacity so so part of our technical
assistance realm is we'll helping firm
prepare for they have access to bonding
which which is a requirement and also
the access to Capital but the technical
assistance component goes in there you
have to you know build them up to that
level in other words the state they they
have you know funding out there to
support these types of programs and our
street program is certainly part of that
but they have to be prepared you know
for this so you got to build them up you
know to that level so some of the things
that we've been doing in our program has
been the technical assistance piece in
terms of bringing firms to you know to
the table uh building them up helping
the get started um doing workshops in
terms of of bidding uh going after
project how to build relationship we
spent a lot of time trying to introduce
firms to like the cow hands of the world
the carers of the world you know the
empires of the world so it can be done
we just have to convince you know the
companies you know to do it and I give
you a specific example of why this is
relevant uh to us so a couple years ago
Empire they won the Pagan project and we
were able to get a single person hired
by them to introduce them to the
construction industry the same
conversation we talking about doing so
we got him in there and you know now
he's been in there for 4 years or
whatever but gradually move forward with
the education process technical
assistance through what we been doing
with
this H Community College for example we
have another program that we work with
the county offering people uh CDL
driver's licenses so he got his CDL
license last year um he's continued to
work with Empire today now this year he
just got his uh Class A U C device and I
here a position to purchase uh one of
our homes here in in the city so that
justes give you a little bit of an idea
of what we can do to plant the seeds you
know to move forward you know in this uh
in this
Arena just just to add to that we don't
mind U with question we have an mwb
policy in place that we adopted U about
two years ago and I think it's coming up
this year for review bag so that's
something we have bundled into the
policy so we can when we revisit the
policy we can able to extract that um
separated the Cil so pleas still that
thank you so thank you for this document
I look forward to reading it um you know
following the meeting um but just a
couple of questions just in a quick
review here but um in terms of these
various training programs for example
like the genarian cleaning program
construction management Etc um how many
folks do we have currently are those
programs running now and how many
students okay do we have um okay so with
the um the Jor Pro that's something that
just started this year so that was a
unique opportunity that came about
because when we talk about this public
private partnership so we work with the
City Mission and and Mike as well as go
New York you as a private sector um so
an opportunity to come that to take take
an opportunity to get people into the
cleaning U business so so that was the
focus so we identifi three uh firms here
locally you know MB mwbe and section 3
company to to to come in and participate
in this so out of that you had three
companies that had an opportunity to
work in this you know in this in this
space and then today we have 12 people
that have been hired to work so they're
over here on proper State Street and
then there's another one that's up INR
so there's 12 people just in that uh
that space there and and on this confess
skills
side um this year we've done three
cohorts I think we had like 80 four
people appli um you know they went
through the process then we had 53 54
that was actually enrolled and I think
33 completed the
program so so this was an opportunity
again these folks are working here
locally some are working like up at the
El school you know we got two or three
of them up there you have one or two out
of some of the older cohorts that went
on to start their own you know little
companies and uh so again we're trying
to help them and assist them any way we
can in terms of building capacity uh
access to bonding and just being a uh an
advocate for them so so I see my primary
role as more like an advocate uh for you
know the small business person that's
trying to get on and and also the worker
is trying to you know create the jobs
and that's that's really where you know
it it is and if we serious about really
trying to make a difference it's one
thing to say okay we have opportunities
and you got 30% you got to go out there
and get it but you don't get them tools
and the support to you know to get there
and then it really doesn't happen or
it's very very short lived of people
disappointed and and and we have to go
get the message out there and be we try
to have like honest conversations with
folks but I get it all the time about I
didn't see nobody working on this
project I don't see nobody working on
that up straight because they they
didn't get it and U but yeah I to tell
me I was I was like it's a game of
numbers like 15 3 and one so for every
opportunity you got to be going after 15
three makes sense and you'll get but if
you just going after just that one thing
that one time then you don't get it and
then everybody is the the enemy we out
here every day trying to create
opportunities open up doors uh build
relationships collaborate with people
and and most of our time is spent on a
collaborative basis so we work with a
lot of people a lot of agency Sun connec
col be a tremendous resource and uh you
know it's just making it work and a lot
of resources here in the house so so
there's a lot that goes into this this
super not just a one shoot B all type of
thing and people come in with all type
of challenges you know you know be
honest with you I I mean serious
challenges so so sometime all they
wanted somebody to listen to just to say
hi and just know that we care you know
something simple as that um sometime
when we went through the gra program
last year we had probably like over 20
something businesses last year alone
that got Grant so we gave like $200,000
about so that that amount made a
tremendous life cheesy difference to a
lot of small companies so so we should
be proud of what we're doing with these
small businesses um we launched a small
business award for what we had you know
just basically recognized small business
we had over 200 people that attended
that event and and to this day people
still talking about it and planning for
next year and what what can we do and um
you know so there a lot lot of
excitement around here to do different
things and and the last part of that is
partnership with the school district um
and how that relates to developing a
pipeline to the to the workforce here CU
if I'm looking at a 7 I'm saying 4 years
or so that might be the person walking
through these doors so what can we do to
introduce to the public service why
can't we have a mogam with young people
coming around leave come to the council
see what the city council does what to
the mayor's office working all
department so we have the opportunity we
have the resources here and I think
people are interested in it but we have
to you know change our culture in terms
of how we want to approach it how we
make it feel like it's welcome and it's
opportunity done in to make a difference
so that's what we're trying to we're
trying to
do yeah looking at this report here on
page two the
subcontractors um the last subcontract
that listed on this report um is
carrying 8%
MW can you highlight why is that
happening looking at the others are 15
26% yeah the two with the A and the 3%
those are primary the street M so you
know a car and C so so you know it's just the the nature of the be it's
tough to get folks into that space and
we're trying to make it happen but the
reality is is you know we we meet with
them before the bid we meet with them
doing the process doing the ad process
and we do everything we can to merge
them together and we do everything you
know that we can to make it happen but
at the end of the day this is what you
end up with you know you know these two
companies just happen they own the truck
C they own the quir they you know they
own everything so that's what I mean by
if we want to seriously look at this
think about debundling this thing you
know so you can create opportunities and
in one area that I looked at
specifically to this was okay we're not
going to get into the game going this
route why can't we build a company why
can't we encourage companies to partner
up in a joint venture or something and
we give them the resources and the tools
to prepare themselves for the next level
for example why can't we do like what
they did out in Buffalo or something
where you took a company and they got
together they and they were able to get
a milling machine so now you got a
trucking company that's been working
here and getting the crumb now they can
go after the Milling part of that
contract and stand a better opportunity
but the reason why those two numbers are
8 to3 that's real
what we're dealing with
so do you have another question and
that's fine I'm willing to continue to
work with you revisiting policy and we
can bring it forward to the council for
to review it and move forward with any
changes that we might have just one at
the beginning you mentioned that um
2023 was a challenging year what are you
going to take from that as you move into
2024 to remove those obstacles well I
think uh the big thing is is is really
staying focused parent down to there a
couple it that we can deal with because
you know in 22 you know earlier we
thought we could conquer the world but
the reality is is not going to happen so
I'm pring down to do what I can in my
space the best that I can do to um you
know you know be honest with folks and
you know transparent and and keeping it
real having a real conversation but I
think when you look at the reason why
I'm so excited and think about the
promising opportunities that's coming
when you look at the people that's
coming through the door and the lives
that we're really changing and the
little letters and notes that I get from
people that's that's Greatful you know
for the efforts you know it makes a
difference that's what we the sty to
move forward and you know keep it moving
and also I think you know about pairing
it down and and just becoming very very
intentional about the direction that we
really want to go and the message that
we're trying to put out there I think
we're on a a great track to make a
difference um I participate and
collaborate with a lot of people um you
know that's been a way this happened I
collaborate with the state I sit you
know on small business um panel once a
month to talk about issue what the
reserv what other location doing and
what can we be doing the viability of
this that so so we spent a lot of time
with a lot of Partners collaborating to
make U these type of things happen so I
bring that home here and you know put
for that information and to open up to
make a difference so so I know that
there's you know there's a state there's
a regulation and then I think you refer
to earlier as what was known as like the
good faith effort of these firms that
they need to do this and um it seems to
be that the good faith effort um uh even
if these if they're being made they're
not really getting the result that we
would like to do um outside of the
bundling some of the projects um when we
were bringing in these larger firms
um uh you know are they expressing a
commitment to this work are they
expressing I mean they companies and
they're in to make profit so we need to
be honest about that but I'm saying like
are we you know really encouraging them
or or having a really uh explicit
conversation around our commitment to
this and and and do you see some
alignment or do you still seeing that
that's pretty far apart no it's not it's a process so so to that end I think
they're not jumping up and down to make
this happen they're doing what's what's
required required so and I give you an
example when come back to the to the a
again I'll get a page you know stack of
paper just stick on a good F what they
do they go and print out the entire
directory from Empire State direct you
know from the state now that's crazy but
that's what they do you know so who's
going to thumb through 100 pages to try
to find a single person that do whatever
and then they don't break the scope down
or they don't break the codes down what
whatever so if you're a small guy you have to spend 8 hours a day just
trying to decode some of these numbers
in there so that you can even get to the
point of putting in a bit so we have to
build a capacity up in terms of helping
folks get prepared to get into that
space we have to encourage these smaller
firms why can't they look into like
mental project relationship but that's
the next thing that we're working on now
what was that mental prot relationship
so that's where a company a smaller
company would pair up with the you know
majority firm that will basically keep
in the roads and also open up
opportunities for them and then by
having a formal relationship or formal
agreement you know they would have
opportunities for the smaller forun to
you know get smaller some of the smaller
contracts they may have and you build
relationship that's going to go you know
four or five years and six years but
also part of that learning process is we
have to let I I cuz it's not all on that
side it's over here too but they have to
you know submit this a bid if the bid
date is June 21st at 11:00 you can't
come yelling to me July 1st why I'm not
on it when they start but that's what
happens a lot you
know to add to that Miss uh party we did
remove the the those words good Fai
effort in our in theb policy because we
find that some people just they're not
making the effort to to ACH achieve the
percentage so that we change to Gold
instead of good F effort so they have to
show
the reason why they can't achieve the
percentage exactly and you control that
pretty much in terms of they have to
something the people work and things
like that to show cause yeah yeah we
work with them on that and and we're not
opposed to working with them and and
understanding reality I mean we do
understand we don't have capacity here
to take on full 30% but we are building
more firm building the capacity of the
ones that we have and encouraging joint
venturing and partnering things like
that which ultimately means that we're
going to be creating jobs while
connected support so on that completing
jobs because you told us before that 84
people enrolled and 33 completed um but
didn't say how many people actually got
employment do you know that number I I
do know that like three El Avenue and exp you know can I get this data
from the career counselor so they track
all the data for us so they they do all
the intake and they do all the
monitoring uh followup but I don't I
don't know exactly how many is we except
for those three that's up here out of
this particular country because I mean
that really sells the program people
actually became important so that would
be absolutely absolutely good dat to
have absolutely you know and part of
that is the challenge is when when
people finish you know if the agreement
is you're supposed to check in every
month let us know what's happening you
work know any issues whatever but they
don't they don't follow through that so
they have a tough time just getting the
data so we don't know unless somebody
has an issue or they get back to us or
something like that
sorry what what kind of Outreach do you
do to try to get folks I mean are we
advertising in the Z are we what what do we do to try to promote these
that we have these opportunities yeah
well we work with Ser so we do a
newsletter monthly you know that that
goes out so so we have a very robust um
means there and and very very responsive
and also we work with you know
organizations so we try to collaborate
with anybody that we can so you know
work with our partners and getting the
work out and just talking to people and
you know that's how we're you know we're
able to do it and I I think that's an
area that we can um you know get more
robust on so you know maybe get know
some of the other um social media means
to you know make it happen but um we
have a a good um groundwork there we you
know we got a good foot started and
we've been very very fortunate because
you know we just have to have I haveen
to have a lot of support around me I got
syvia that's that's tremendous with you
know doing the stuff got Jamie you know
over the college so that's how these
things happen you know you know I may
know you know who to talk to or how to
have a conversation with but they really
are the ones that you know drive this
bus so we want to you know update you
know we can you know invest more in
getting me more out the messaging and
you know doing more programs and and
building on what we we're trying to do
thank
you any other questions or
concern no I just want to thank you for
putting this report together for us as
usual I'll will try to engage your
office more um you know rather waiting
for a year let's do this maybe every um
6 months give us an update and then we
can revisit the MW policy revision that
your
all right thank you again thank you Mr
gner and next we have appointments to
the Downtown special assessment District
board and that mayor
McCarthy thank you Mr chairman and put
names forward uh for the council's
consideration joining the dsic I think
individuals are all
here there any specific questions or
comments on any of
them ask for in favorable
consideration I don't think those are
they being
appointed but they've already
beened I'll move
this second all in favor I was asking for a
second
hi
okay thirdly we're going to uh move on
to the appointment of res board resident
residency board yeah I'd like to pull
this for two weeks um individual that I
wanted to bring forward um was not quite
ready okay we didn't receive the resume
as what I should say okay all right so
uh next item agenda item is appointment
to the ethics board yes um I brought
this forward because we right now we
have four people on the ethics board and
um there was an opportunity if the other
uh vcy didn't get filled for the council
to fill it I wanted to bring forward um
Mr Marne who resume to sit on the ethics
board he in full disclosure was a former
employee had an interest in sitting on
the board when he was here but could not
because there was always already an
employee on the board and um I know the
board has had trouble meeting and
creating getting a forum excuse me a
quorum and and right now the chair is
going to be out for a while so that's
going to even create more of a problem
because there's um because he's you know
he's he's unable to to be able to serve
for a while so um I just wanted to bring
this forward to um have the council
consider um Mr Marne for a seat on the
ethics
board any questions concerns comments
around that is this is this a council
appointment if the if the mayor doesn't
um is then within 30 days as the council
could that's what it says in the code
and we they're having a problem and we
didn't get that fourth fifth person for
the ethics board
Mr CH I'm sorry can you repeat that yes
I can that the the code says that the if
within 30 days there's not when the
board is convened and they they don't um
there's opening that the council can put
it
Forward
okay yes 30 days of when I'm sorry I'm just missing well actually the code
says 30 days when the board is um
created but so this board was
reconvened I can't remember last year
for in order to um look at
some concerns that were brought forth
against a council member that were
convene and since that time there's
still been that that last opening has
been there so it's well over 30 days so
it's well over 30 days
okay any thoughts comments on
this I'll entertain a motion so move
second all those in favor I passes at this time I would like to
close out government operations so Mo
second all those in favor I we I'd like
to cour to aitor Public Safety Committee
we have one item on the agenda tonight
that is to discuss the amendment to the
city code Chapter 93 uh section three
which specifically speaks about term
limits holdovers and vacancies um before
I ask Mr Keith St John to speak about um
how this is felt as a member of the
board I can definitely my time on the
board as chair a few years ago uh
definitely um vac concerns have been
existing for a long period of time and
that is one of the singular reasons that
could prevent the council from or
prevent the board excuse me from doing
the work of reviewing the complaints uh
so we are not at a crisis Point yet
however we are at a point where we need
to act hence having this brought on um I
know with adjusting the code it requires
a call for public hearing and as you can
see the weeks start to add up so then if
the council or excuse me if the board is
then put in a position where they're not
able to have quum then we are starting
to have complaints pile up that aren't
reviewed in a timely manner uh so Mr St
John would you mind
briefly just highlighting of some of the
you've already told my joke so there's
not more much more for me to add but I'm
here really not only as a board member
and thank you for those of you who
helped me get there uh but in Denine
Peter's absence she's the chair but
currently on vacation and we'll be back
later this week so I and perhaps another
yes uh J hul is here from the board uh
you've really summed it up well and by
the last item on your agenda you're very
familiar with the problems that are
caused when a when a body is not either
fully
impanel uh or when uh the membership for
whatever reason one of many uh don't
meet in sufficient numbers so that
there's a quarum that's what uh the
current problem is facing the board and
it will only get worse the longer it
takes to find a remedy to that problem
thank you Mr St John uh any questions or
concerns from the
councel uh hearing
none yes so my uh proposition is and
very much it came from opinions from
Miss uh Porterfield and also um Mr who
is the chair uh rather than removing
organizations from having representation
on the board uh the consideration was to
add a 30-day stipulation so already
before memb term is set to expire 60
days prior to that an announcement is
sent to the organization we are
proposing to add an additional 30 days
and after that point if a member or an
alternate has not been selected from the
organization that the opportunity then
falls to the council to nominate someone
at large uh and then also I wanted to
use this opportunity to add in language
for organizations to submit alternates
uh now this is an individual that would
not have any voting power as long as
their primary was there however having a
second person already vetted through the
process completely streamlines having
find a replacement
theref I actually happen to think the
current code provides provides for
standby and those persons are the
equivalent is I readed have an alternate
can't vote medine until their primary is
absent need to call for public hearing
these
changes any other questions patri oh no
I was going to make the motion to second
no
sorry
your scenario by which you would uh have
the appointment go directly to the
council believe that would have to go to
the voters you can't we today I'm the
appointing authority even though it
comes from the groups going forward
can't the can't reduce the authority of
an elected official during their term of
office so if you P that back so that I'm
still part of the process you can move
forward a public hearing and amend the
code otherwise you would have to put it
on the ballot for a formal vote November
so you're saying the appointments would
have to come from you if after the 30
days to bring to the council
yes were you sorry were you looking
change that rision where the appointment
come from it says it would go to the
city council so it takes the mayor out
of it I'm saying you can't do
that so under the and all all the
appointments under the current code um
come from the mayor's office the names
go to the mayor right I and supposed to
be they're supposed to submit two names
to me I'm supposed to pick one send it
to the council we've made it more of a
informal agreement where the names come
in us there's two one is the primary
designate one is the alternate so again
it was trying to keep uh individuals in
the pipeline to be able to have the
board do its actual work
so I would say with that information
thank you Mr Mayor I would say as long
as you are still open to receiving uh
nominations from anyone which I believe
you are y I have no issue with that uh
so if we make a motion to have the
public hearing yes make a motion to call
the public hearing yes
um sorry
um I propose that the council uh wait
one cycle so that we can propose the
legislation that you can review it prior
to having the public hearing okay that's
fine yeah
that's so we're going to keep this or
added to the agenda for two
weeks thank you whether there any other
items that a follow Public Safety
hearing have motion the only other thing
that is where're we have a set
of uh Community groups that were uh the
focus when this legislation was
drafted again I believe it's still a
good group people may want to think over
the next two weeks is there
other organizations in the community
that have shifted other areas of
responsibility that you might want to
have uh either as formal groups or ones
that we would reach out informally in
terms of recruiting membership for the
board and I would say to that point um I
want to be careful uh in how I speak to
the members of the board um we were
trying to sort of stop the issue from
occurring and then allowing them what
with a fuller board to then recommend um
any additional measures for us to review
at a later date so try not to overstep
or I don't think we can for the
council so we can adjust the code as we
see fit but with respect to how this
plays out for their uh interactions I
would caution against over responding
over over what I'm sorry over responding
so allowing them the opportunity to
expand or Rec to recognize where they
believe additional organizations are
necessary I think for so long we have
not had a full board or they have not
functioned with a full board
so the
uh Le the historic district commission
requires me to send out a notice
to predefined group MH if they send in
names supposed to give those the First
Act of consideration if they don't send
any in then I can reach out and put
names together which then come to the
city council for confirmation that model
may still be the better one so that you
pointed out Carl we and sometimes people
get it in timely sometimes they don't if
uh we have a list of organizations we
want to make sure they know there's a
vacancy coming up uh there's the ability
to serve and if they want to put
somebody in that's fine if they don't
we're going to do recruitment
independent
agree any other questions or
comments so if they don't put in a name
would we still be I I think I'm glad
that we're waiting because there's a lot
of questions herec because I just want
to make sure I'm hearing you the right
way so let's say it's um the Human
Rights Commission doesn't put in a name
would you still
be looking for someone that's within the
you know that was a bad example
uh within the SKC United neighborhoods
in other words would you still be
looking for someone from that group or
would you just say
okay you know now they've sort of given
up their opportunities so we can get
anyone from the
community or are we still need thinkig
about the reality in these things you
get widely variant times for recruitment
sometimes you get levels of activity you
got people coming forward and of course
you have a list you hope they're going
to put forth names but the reality is
sometimes you can't get them to serve
and you have to reach Beyond those
organizational structures and then to
that point sometimes we're dealing with
organizations that aren't meeting on a
monthly basis so then that lengthens the
timeline so I think rather than
expunging or adding uh I think this
allows us to select an individual with
the mayor uh for a term cycle which is
two years and then after that point the
opportunity for the organization to find
a replacement is still present okay
thank you
all right so can I have a motion
to proceed with the public hearing
no bring back bring
back all right if uh with that being
said are there any other items that come
before Public Safety Committee hearing
on can motion to adjourn so move second
all in
favor I'd like to call the order City
development and planning we have 11
items on the agenda um Miss Carver has
asked if we can move her up she does
have a a daycare thing that she needs to
take care so um so if you don't mind
we'll move her to the top of the agenda
to just give us the update on on
Ara yeah and everyone should have it
printed
out good
evening um I'm going to provide a high
level update for you tonight on arpa um
since we last met um coko house and DC
and Hamilton Hill infi project they are
currently pending a draft contract to be
reviewed um by the mayor and Corporation
Council Electric City Co-Op um has
submitted 99% of their pre-contractual
documents to meet their deadline for the
extension of March 12th um we are still
waiting for pre-contract pre-contract
documents for the YMCA Harbor House as
well some of the updates that I have for
you tonight is is the miracle and great
project um as last spoken we know that
is not happening that is currently in
the hands of Corporation Council the
notice of default was sent and pending
transfer
title we received um also on hold at
this time is the empowerment in dor
Center that project is on hold um we
received several request for additional
um arpa funding um the first one to be
discussed tonight is the Bethesda house
Bethesda request an additional funding
amount which the letter formal letter
was sent to city council for review with
supporting documents they ask for
400,000 the
YMCA again another formal request was
received they are asking for
100,000 that is to support the Black and
Latino Achievers program and based on
the letter um the supporting letter and
for request they sent they currently
have 62 young people in the program from
SKC and they anticipate that number to
double on this calendar year question um
did this group submit an application the
YMCA did not submit an application all
right thank
you and last but not least Miss Carver
um how much money did they request
100,000 thank
you sorry thank you and last but not
least will be the YWCA they are
requesting additional ARA funding um for
1.5
million they currently have been
allotted
$750,000 and that was going that is
being used to build 54 units of new
construction um the 1.5 and additional
funding that they are requesting is for
construction and substantial
Rehabilitation to their current 42 unit
um housing structure on was
and that concludes my arpa
updates is this this the group that came
they came before us before and that time
wasn't it asked 850,000
was right H this is um bethesa no y w on
the back of the sheet the YW yeah I
thought it was um when they came for
additional funding was initial that was
what during our credit session it was
850,000 when they sent the formal letter
of request they asking
for one point
okay thank
you but but Bethesda house weren't they
I thought that their um request for
additional funds was for 200,000 not our
last meeting councilwoman I had misspoke
ah okay it was 400,000 thank
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you and I do have another question so
for for example um the Durer um
Empowerment Center with with the city um
so on hold how long are we going to keep
things on hold for example because when do we get to the point where we say
okay well maybe we could use the money
in a different way didn't know if there
was any discussion about that for that
one I I'll speak in particular the um
jury submit an application individually
the EMP powerment submitted application
individually but at some point they were
put together um I'm assuming in the
department of development I know that
was pre pre pre you so at this point in
time du as my understanding is wanting
to move forward however because the
Empowerment Center is not um positioned
financially to move forward then that
holds up that project as
well and if I may add D's original
application was for
construction when merg this application
and is now for
programming so I guess the question to
me becomes I don't know where the
Empowerment Center I think this is going
these are going to be longer
conversations I don't know where the
Empowerment Center is and do we leave
Dory there because if if we leave Dory
there and then um the Empowerment Center
doesn't happen for whatever reason
because there is a a huge funding Gap is
my understanding than what happens to
the other project
so
yes Mr Williams um I know um Mr Toro
raised it during our last meeting of the
conversation us not extending any
additional um uh I want to say stays but
theum that we use
um not allowing any more postponements
ex extensions um is there a timeline in
your mind based on your familiarity with
these projects when that date is going
to have to be something where we start
to miss Patrick's Point Rec cooping back
some of these allotments well the last
extensions that we have currently right
now on file are March 12th so I would
say anytime after March
12th
okay I just have a general question on
the YWCA asking for 100,000 um in our
current budget we set aside
$150,000 for a you program can we have
them work
with the mayor's office the school
district and tap into this $150,000 have
it under one
umbrella what program is that YC ym ym
for 100000 y yes sorry yes okay cuz we
have $150,000 in the budget here so
instead of spreading it why not bring
them together and work along with the
mayor the school
district and you know I I'm just
because I'm do not have budget in front
of me I think the uh work with the
school district was more around youth
employment yes so I think I don't know
that that would be I think that's a good
idea but I don't know if they'll
necessarily align than Patrick um that
program has been around for a long time
I was on the initial uh committee that
set it up and it's they work with the
school district but not really um it is
a w it is a Capital District YMCA
program so it's not not the same as uh
the Youth Employment Program that we've
had it's a wonderful program um with
many graduates who have gone on to
college um it's it's just a great
program but but a question are we going
to be utilizing the entire 150,000 maybe
we take a portion of that you know
consider that is I'm trying that on the
table they're asking for 60 I think
100,000 oh 100 we could look at that
again to see if there is some overlap or
because I think in the last year there
were some um savings from the last
program yeah I think we can look at so
we can look at that as a cable domain
and see if we can tap in and give them
some U funding through the 150 mhm and
then I think after March 12th we
may be able to revisit other funds I
just want to bring that to
that okay so yes Mr Toro thank you um
how much are for money out there which
hasn't been
that is a finance
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question Mr Mr Ferrari did supplies with
a report actually during um budget
season so it should be we probably pull
up in emails and actually send it to you
because we did get that from him how
much money was unallocated not unspent
but unallocated uhhuh yeah so um we
really I think um we need to actually
take a deep look at these before
we making decisions and I would suggest
we put that on for um two weeks um we
could conceivably call a special meeting
and meet only to discuss arpa if the
council's open to it since we definitely
have these that we need to discuss so
that's something that we could also um
and just make that eting just about the
AR of money because we really need to
start closing the door um I don't know
if that's the best term I use and we
need really start wrapping this
up so so yes Mr Williams I do remember
those conversations being rather lengthy
and then if we're going to give each
project the needed time and attention I
think especially meeting makes
sense so we can um um ask M mik to send
out um when you're we're available for
that and then we can come up and have a
special meeting and it will be announced
and public will be able to listen or
even come I look forward to
it thank you very much Miss
haror okay um returning to the agenda uh
the first item is to authorize the mayor
or his designity to enter into easement
and maintenance agreement Mr Wallen he's
back thank
you so uh I'd like to acknowledge Phil
more from the room uh
is uh you know the uh director of
procress theater 432 State Street as you
know uh or as you may or may not be
aware Proctor Ceder runs both a heating
and cooling plant and a future
electricity generation Coen plant at the
facility adjacent to Proctors um the
heating and cooling lines are currently
in the roadway uh they are between the
buildings uh this would be an easement
that would encapsulate those existing
lines as well as encumber new lines to
um be for the power between the two
facilities Phil I didn't know if you
wanted to talk any at the project if you
were comfortable with me covering it I
have a few of these These are quite old
but they're the best I have to
share okay I thought he might it is
very interesting because yes we have a
thermal lines running across the street
to Center City as well as to the H in
and the Parker in um and we are now
adding electric to it the electric is
cogenerated meaning that all all the
waste heat on the engine that will make
electricity will be used to support the
heating and cooling system so we'll be
in the neighborhood of 85 to 95%
efficient most of the grids about 45%
efficient so it's a huge reduction in
carbon output for the neighborhood and
for connec and at the same time means
that the Y and the City Center
properties and the CVS and Proctors are
available has Emergency Shelters could
there be a flood a storm something that
requires the grid to be down forces the
grid to be down will be able to operate
independently um there's only one other
one like this in New York state so it's
pretty remarkable that it can happen it
was delayed during Co quite a bit so
what you're looking at is a very old set
of working documents but it came back
after Co and now we're looking at it
being oper AAL by March of
25 so this is an extension beyond what
you had in Co during Co um we've always
had the hot and cold water 18 years
we've been running hot and cold water
underground uh this is adding
electricity to that and putting a line
right next to the existing thermal hot
cold water lines um it's making it a
bigger footprint but also extending the
easement to be one is one one easement
rather than two or three
oh
okay any other
questions yes Miss Patrick no I was
going to
make well I was going to just say
something moving it but I have to say
because for 18 years I thought this was
an incredibly Visionary project that
occurred um so I compliment you on
expanding it now and um thank you for doing it all these years so I will
make the motion before you do that sorry
you got me start sorry no I I just I I
want to highlight especially uh I I
think in my own experience incity when
we were going through the pandemic
Proctors um like a lot of places you
know kind of had to had to close their
normal operational doors but acted as um
a community help for young people in
need of some inperson instruction and I
think that so that just kind of speaks
to kind of the the the spirit of what
we're trying to do here in case of that
so I was a Valu partner and I appreciate
that and I do is well so now okay
now in second all those in favor thank
you thank you Mr wall thank you thank
you Mr Morris uh next item is uh to V
contract uh for the city of connected
tennis sport improvements if so as
you're aware the city of SKC houses a
large Tennis complex in Central Park
home the 17 courts the facility is used
uh as the USDA Regional hub for their
summer tournament schedule the condition
of the courts however will not allow us
to hold the USA events uh I've been
working with the USA in 15 love for
about a year now on putting together
this program that we have here of
improvements uh we actually had an
engineer come up from the USA out of
Long Island Flushing Meadows do an
evaluation we had cha sports do a second
evaluation um and what we're looking to
do is put this work out which is the
preservation of the lower 10 courts and
the what we would call the refurbishment
of the upper Seven Courts um so
preservation is we essentially going to
coat seal uh and paint the upper ones
will be milled uh fabric paved then
coated sealed in paint so uh at the
conclusion of that we will have 17
functioning courts um one of the things
I just want to point out which is we
have an expedited schedule we're trying
to get this work completed by June in
order to meet the USA schedule uh the
contractor Carver construction who was
the loan bidder they were the um loan
bidder and successful completer of our
pickle ball complex and uh Fair viiew
tennis courts in the bellw neighborhood
which came out uh great um so we have H
confidence in the group The other thing
is that the amount here that we're
showing 671 is above the budgeted amount
um I am working with the USA on an
agreement uh and the agreement is a
partnership where they will hopefully if
we can come to terms be able to cover
this cost to do a more of a a
cooperation uh in terms of uh it would
tie the investment of the courts that
they make to the term of the lease um we
just got it because they went through it
and our lot of partment reviewing it now
spoke with the mayor a little bit about
it uh uh our director of parks with Dean
and we're just working through the
details but we really want to get this
work awarded if we have to change it we
can but the agreement should be coming
next cycle because that's what we're
setting up
for any yes M Patrick so am I hearing
you that you're because I was going to
ask if we could as I always do whether
we could bring in more revenue from uh
the
USA uh in terms of using the courts um
but so what are you actually saying that
they're willing or you're going to be
talking to them about paying us the
$671,000 is that what I the balance
there's a balance we have we allocated a
half a million uh and we have4 475,000
remaining that balance uh they have they
have already received approval from USA
Regional uh however we just want to make
sure we're all so I don't want to get
into it too much in detail but we're
confident that we'll be able to come to
an agreement to to make this project
happen if not
more yeah all right any other we're just
confident we can get it done by June too
that's pretty L it is it is uh but
that's what we're going to and I I think having the usda's backing I mean
the big thing is Carver will be able to
get the paving done the issue is it is
uh you know once you pave it has to sit
for 3 weeks so we have to hurry up and
wait so we're going to have to hurry up
get in there and pave and wait for all
the oils to dissipate because we cannot
coat fresh asphalt cuz it will get a
little slick and and gooey so we're
going to try to get in there Paving
usually starts sometime in April so
we're going to try to get in there right
when we can to do the work good job yes
Mr Williams so um I I think it's never a
safe assumption to think that everyone
has access to the internet so while this
construction is going to be going on I
believe that's ideal tennis playing time
I don't play tennis is there any way I
think it's probably better better
question position for the uh Parks uh
director but putting out like just
flyers or notifications just informing
the local neighborhood uh residents that
utilize these parks of other options
throughout the city yeah I can work with
uh Willie on that thank you any other
questions or comments
no second all in favor thank you the
next item on the agenda is the award be
the contract for the construction of
teaching greenhouse building for the
Central Park Greenhouse facility y so
the friends of the greenhouse have been
very successful uh in receiving funding
from various sources uh this particular
Grant was received from Phil st's office
it is a Sam Grant in the amount of
$125,000 um the use of the Sam Grant is
to take down an existing dilapidated
greenhouse and to construct what they're
calling a teaching Greenhouse teaching
Greenhouse will be able to hold classes
um and be used as morval Educational
Center um they're looking at this to be
one of the focal points in the facility
we put out this bid in cooperation with
them we received three bids the low bid
was ma shaer construction ma shaer
construction has um been the successful
will bidder on two previous projects at
the greenhouse their composting toilet
and their storage shed as well as they
also constructed our Golf Course
Maintenance building and our fire
Services uh emergency facility um so
we've done five previous projects with
them and have no issues uh with their
construction to date um they have a good
relationship with the friends of the
greenhouse and everyone's excited to
move forward with the project there is a
budget discrepancy however I'm planning
on covering it with allocated funds from
our facility improvements um it is a
city facility so I I don't think that is outside of anything given that
the FR of the greenhouse essentially
operates a city facility so um that that
difference uh is what I'm going to make
up with our how much is that um well
it's the amount uh 1788 minus 125 so
it's roughly 53,000 okay what's the
timeline on this this um this is going
to be in the spring yeah no this is
something that we're going to move on
quickly our city uh just to be clear we
do we're doing the demolition we're
doing the grading we're doing the
plumbing we're doing the electrical so
there is a savings um this is
specifically for the concrete and the
construction of the prefabricated
Greenhouse any other questions
comments all those in
favor okay uh and number four it's uh
authorize issuance of a re revocable per
I can say that number 679 to the horse's
Lounge so the horse's Lounge has been
purchased and will be operated by uh the
gentleman who I believe opens broken in Nuna uh they were looking to put the
essentially the facility back the way it
is and operated similarly to how it was
which includes um keeping the sign or
putting up a new similar sign the sign
is 12 in into the right of way but
because of that we still require a vable
permit okay okay
questions second all in
favor thank you Mr W thank you
appreciate it all right the next item on
the agenda is uh mohul Harbor mayor
McCarthy thank you uh mam president and
a presentation prior cycle from metlex
the blessie corporation uh colleg is
here and uh this point looking for your
formal approval of $2.5 million to allow
that uh Event Center project to move
forward
discussion so I always have a lot of
questions and I've had more so um and
I've had um so some of these discussions
with um Mr he's gone now Mr y
so and and this is probably for him um I
understand what the ask is um but my
question at that time was what was the
pilot going to be so that to me the
payment and L of taxes to me is very
important to this because it becomes
more than 2.5 million it becomes
whatever the pilot is so I would like to um to know what that
is at the presentation I think sorry at
the presentation I think it was a
community center was it
um as project I don't take the pilot of
the trct for a community Cent non
for-profit Mr this is not going to be a
nonprofit this is a privately owned um
organ not for-profit there wouldn't be a
pilot be any revenue from it to begin
right it's not a not for profit it's not
it's a privately owned project I don't
know did you want to speak to that you
want me to speak to it I will I don't
know the protocol oh yes if you I'm I
was specifically asking about the pilot
so would you uh yeah there will be a
pilot typically these projects are sorry
this is public the public hears s throat
I'm sorry uh typically these projects
are owned by counties cities metroplexes
or authorities so this would be uh
actually something similar so there
would be pilot there would be nominal
taxes generated the best for this on
this project uh typically again like MVP
center it's on by the county uh it's a
non- taxable event this is one of the
few that's owned Glenn Falls is owned by
the city this is one of the few that
would be because nobody else wanted to
own it uh but along those lines uh this
is a community service for us so there
would be there would be a pilot uh the the benefits would be as well as uh
the benefits of keeping Union College in
place we've gone through this before I
don't want to reiterate uh having a lot
of U ability to host other events
whether it's High School uh kids
programs uh bring other uh smaller
events to the community as well as
actually bring people into into the
harbor bring people into the casino
which I know the casino is uh pays $2.6
million a year to the county the city
the more money that they could pay on
their revenue the more taxes both the
city and the county would get as well as
bed tax sales tax Etc so that's the community benefit uh but
these typically are not and in a perfect
world we wouldn't own it either if Union
College own it it would be uh non-
taxable if the county owned it it would
be non- taxable Metroplex owned it would
uh we just put all this together
hopefully with the with the state with
the assembly with the county with
Metroplex and hopefully the city that we
could all collaborate and create
something on a vacant piece of land
right
now so we don't know what the pilot
would be at this
moment uh the pilot would be nominal at
best it would it would not be a
significant amount of taxes at all so
you so the project would not pay uh it
would not pay other than some nominal
fees but not not property taxes okay all
right yes so I just simp so this project
um um I know that before we had
allocated uh 2.5 million to what was
going to be the Aquatic Center um the
reason why um I I speak for myself
reason why it was really important to
support that is because not only will
they bring people to into the city
obviously generate business but there's
was really um an array of of of of you
know youth programs and services that
can be housed um out of that and I think
that this project right here um has far
greater capacity to reach our our
community and especially as it relates
to like Youth Sports programs and more
um even in in the way of arts and
entertainment um so I just kind of
wanted to to kind of amplify that piece
because that that's something that is
really important I don't want to get
lost in the conversation and one point
of clarity to the Aquatic Center would
have been uh have a pilot as well so
they wouldn't have been a tax pay
don't let that fall so um the other
point I don't we the last time that we
okay with this information we have in
front of us here says that it's for um
site prep is that
correct I'm sorry I didn't hear recy
reparation yes okay um in the document
that we got from esdc the it said the
cost for site trap was 1.5 mil almost
1.6 as opposed to but this ask is
2.5 good news and bad
news the bad news is the site prep is
significantly more than $3 million
actually we got a uh actually a lot more
than $4 million this will go towards a
portion of it uh we just got to change
our loan for pilings that are you got to
change what change order for pilings we
have to put piles in the ground as well
as do additional uh Paving and and
parking lots Etc the piles alone are
north of $2.1 million that we're all not
planning a gift that keeps on
taking all right um
so let's
see right now has this project oh maybe
did you stay
here I I don't say I do have a little
com from you all right um so
has this work already begun because I I
see there is some work that's started
down there I just have to you know I
drive by from time to time there's no
work started no work started yet no okay
so are you waiting for is all the
funding in place uh depends on what you
guys do tonight so all the other funding
is 100% in place uh there is uh a uh a
resolution needed at the county but they
they're committed to to work with us on
that so that's it would be the same
timing as as you people uh but that
would that would be be the last this
would be the cherry on the cake for the
Sunday would would this put us in a
position to maybe recruit like a um
semipro basketball team arena football
or you know looking at the the answer is
yes and no Arena Football were too small
it is okay uh but uh and and I can't say
because I've got a confidentiality but
we've been approached by um a couple
professional sports teams and going
right across the board because there's
also uh Rochester Syracuse UA they have
soccer they have the crosses down and we don't want to compete with the
MVP Center uh but we've had a variety of
people reach out there's there's the
answer is yes to the qu with the
exception Arena Football we Arena
Football they draw 10,000 people there
this this is one that wouldn't be able
to do that but the other is I just
noticed Binghamton got for instance the
uh New York State basketball
championship since the two year bid I
mean that's something that took from
Glenn's Falls this would be an ideal
situation it's centrally located it's
got more hotel rooms so I think we can
compete particularly on New York State
whether it's volleyball whether it's
gymnastics whether it's basketball
whether it's hockey uh but the other
thing too is we really want to make this is a this is a community this is
something really we're doing this for
the community as much as uh it's it's a
for-profit we don't want to own this but
it's the only way is going to get done
like yeah some of the uses for the
community like job fairs running job
fairs there you you can expand right now
the the the Event Center at the casino
is very limited in terms of uh getting
but I think and we we've had variety of
meetings with uh discovers connec too I
mean we're New York State a lot of
conventions um have to stay in New York
state a lot of them go to turningstone
or to Rochester or Syracuse got the
Turning Stone draws a huge amount I I
drove by there last time they had a
fireman's convention this is going to
bring a lot of spending here and we can
compete we're not going to compete with
the capital Center that's that's what 20
30,000 square ft but we're going to be
able to compete and bring people here
Todd if it happens is so excited about
uh being able to recruit we're going to
be able to compete with the Saratoga
we're going to be able to compete I mean
this is the Glenn Falls this is a little
data they a nice Community up there but
I think we can we can bring in a lot of
things this is so centrally located on
the throughway so it's really but it's
sports but it's also events that we can
do trade shows uh conferences um we've
had um I mean we had the uh national uh
Canal conference a few years ago we
didn't have enough room so those are
things we can go after you can go after
a lot of this the uh the trade unions we
they can have their annual meeting here
they they have them over at turning
stone what is turning stone got they got
golf courses but we've got a city uh
we've got an airport here I'm originally
from Roman New York there's nothing out
there in Verona other than a beautiful
big casino that doesn't pay
taxes so I I I really I me out of all
the things we've done and we've done a
billion dollars worth of business in SKC
County we just celebrated our 55th
anniversary July Janu AR 30th in the
capital region and we put our money
where our mouth is and one thing the
project this is a tough project it's a state it's the county it's
Metroplex it's the assembly uh the
governor Carl Hasty every everybody this
is a need here we don't have it so uh I
really I we've I'm a sked resident I
live here I work here I play here the
fact is that I think this is a missing
component it's a vacant piece of
property you've got I mean as I said
before you could build Apartments there
our apartments are full but I think this
benefits the community more you've got
the the dock that we work with the city
and the Department of State on so you're
going to get other other people coming
on on the on the Harbor uh there's going
to be boat rentals this year out there
every year we add something and and and
tying it into the bike trail and now
you've got the loop that's going around
the Metroplex is doing with Glenville
boy when you look at our City compared
to some of the others I'm not going to
pick out them cuz it's public uh but the
fact is that they asked they ask us to
come in and talk to them about creating
stuff in other cities in the capital
region we connected born Brad here I
wasn't born I was born in Rome but I've
been here since 71 one other this is out
there in left field but in the event
there was some catastrophic event not
wouldn't be a flood but ice storm or
some others that we could maybe have
here Center in part of our emergency
planning where setting up bringing folks
that well I think it's a great idea as
long as you don't scrw up Union hockey
games
yeah but but no you know what think
about it we were actually we talked to
Philip about uh using Center City as why
they are this is let's say you had a
catastrophe and you could end up with or
if you needed to to hand out supplies or
emergency that type of stuff boy look at that we don't have that here not
going to do in the Proctor is there
seats there uh but those type of things
I mean you know the sky's the liit in
terms of some of the things you can
really imine that we're just scraping
the tip of the iceberg along those lines
but this this connects this connects the
public it connects the union it connects
to the high schools it this is going to
make something it's connected to your
destination and if the Aquatic Center
happens in uh in reram which I hope it
does boy that's even more and it's going
to they're going to play off each
other
Patrick I wouldn't want to see us miss
this opportunity I think that we've
spent you know the past what is it 15 or
20 years I guess um really making sure
that we have built up our restaurants
we've built up our hotels um this is
just going to be another remarkable um
asset that we will have to be able to
sell our city to conferences to
conventions the idea which we talked
about at the last meeting in terms of
the Youth Sports um um and the
opportunity for um our our children to
have this opportunity as well um I just
not to mention the parking will be
better than when we come to a union
hockey game I'm just teasing there but I
think that um if we were to say no to
this if the city was if the city council
was to say no we're not going to you
know put funding through to to this
through to this I I just think it would
be um you know as if we had said no to
the casino I mean I just think that
we've been building building and
building up our city and the
opportunities for tourism um and
attracting people here and I fully
support the project and US funding it I
really do think there's the payback is
there though this is going to in terms
of sales tax occupancy tax sure uh
employment and it's going to just create
the opportunity of again because we got
to remember too the casino competes with
Springfield there's going to be casinos
in New York City we've got to make sure
that we have this Revenue stream I mean
we're getting $22.6 million a year which
is a very nice Revenue stream in
addition to $4 million in property taxes
from the casino alone the gesi group
entities including the casino pay over
$20 million uh in city county and school
taxes so we're putting our money where
our mouth is but this is why as as a
resident and somebody that's been in
this Council before it was uh we've been
there a long time but the fact is I I
get goosebumps when I I walk through the
casino and see the amount of employees
and the lives we've
changed it's big I mean in and and the
casino raised their all union wages
their wages went up over 40% over the
last 3 years so you got people that
don't leave there because they're never
going to get their life their health
insurance everything is good and and we
do have I I I think we're a significant
amount of connected residents and
definitely I think we're close to 40% in
not wnb either which is which is
fantastic and it's really these people
we've got day wers uh next next week is
our 7th anniversary so lucky Lucky Seven
but uh again if I didn't think it was
that important I wouldn't have spend
this much time this is something that
originated uh Dr Harris know
preco uh and it this this wasn't my idea
I don't know if it was Dr Harris's idea
it was it was somebody saying we got to
find a solution for you and I was around
in 1977 76 when the killes rink was
built and parking look at what we're
doing the we solve another problem with
the neighborhoods I mean parking along
you it is a crazy thing to have to go
park and watch a hockey game it is I
don't it it served its purpose then but
you probably could never get that
project approve on campus again because
we don't have enough parking and God
forbid we don't have a
snowstorm so sorry to take up so much of
your time no absolutely not um I wanted
to just highlight your choice of words
where you said a missing component and I
think that was very intentional and I
think accurately reflects the nature of
this project uh definitely adding this
type of resource uh to our community I
think just bolsters uh the electric city
um Mantra that is continuing to to exist
a day in and day out um definitely with
respect to that and try to be careful
with touching on to like the school
board and board of educations because we stay separate for a reason but there
conversations of how do we or what our
next superintendent looks like and and
there were comments in the paper that
highlighted that SKC City school
districts are seen as uh catapults or or
leaping PS and I don't think we need to
I think our city is good enough and we
do an excellent job with with what we
offer to our community and I would love
to think uh magnifying Miss Patrick's uh
comments uh this is truly something that
can last Generations it is and combining
the the school district excuse me with
Community College with what Union's done
and their Outreach long before you were
here Union was an island and you've done
a great job Dr Harris in terms of
integrating Union College and your
students uh in our community and whether
it's even doing the learn Escape program
or the field hockey things I mean that's what we have to doing we can keep
these alumni in town too it's important
but I think it's right we this is a
facility that we can really work with uh
the school district if they want to do
things you connected to Community
College if they need a graduation place
yeah uh I mean take a look at sky the
limit we're going to look for for
members of the community on how to make
this work we got to pay for itself but
we're looking for people and ideas and
Joe some of yours were good ideas as
well Mr M yeah I just want to EO to add
to Mr party talking about economic
impact gener and going back to the
casino um the only remaining city
council member who voted for the casino
and still here and at that time we talk
about the EC impact the casino is going
to bring to the city and over the year
we have we have seen that and we
continue to see the impact that the
casino project brought to the
city uh the business that follows that
you know trickle down to into the
neighborhood into the other part of the
city and I think another project like
this here will also trigger that same
sort of um you know outcome so listen to
all the comments things that um you know
it's something that's
we I would definitely support we move
forward with u funding this um project
because looking at the outcome from the
casino look at what happened and look
what continue to happening into the city
because of the casino and the other
projects and with this project this even
center with a capacity of 3,500 seaing
we're talking about the impact of hotels
restaurant and all these other stuff
that is going to trickle behind that
when the center is they to accommodate
all these emails I appreciate the kind
words I'm s of losing my voice okay um
so you talk a lot about oh you talk a
lot about there's more oh you need water
you talked a lot about um the benefits
to the community so is there an
opportunity for a written Community
benefits agreement to make sure that um
those things are in place of course
so I that I for one think that's very
important um I think we've got to be
uh I you have I don't mean the agreement
with the Union that's different no we
got to be cognant of the use of Union
and that's their teams and their players
um practices Etc but no this is this is
a Comm the community is investing in
this St yeah governor hok and Carl H
investing in it I hope you guys invest
in it Angelo Santa bber is investing in
it I mean the governor wants to would
she told me that I'd love to come out
and and have a groundbreaking with us I
mean think about it they loves
connecting we we are a poster child if
you read this the the the the budget or
the State of the State she talked about
skty as a model on how to develop in the
inner city we got to be proud of that I
am so um I know I'm not the only one
that talks about Community benefits
agreement so does anyone have anything
that they want to talk about what that
would need to look like because well
just because I think that we need and
nobody's trying to step on the toes of
Union just so you know um but but while
we're talking about Union and not again
to put you on the spot
um you you talked about a pilot so would
with Union also and I guess I should
look at you when I say this would there
also be getting a will be be getting a
pilot from Union that we're not we don't
currently no Union is not this has
nothing to do with a pilot for Union
okay
so it's not owned by if Union owned it
they would need a pilot
anyway no well I'm just if there was
like some pilot coming I can ask that
absolutely good questions uh but the
benefit of putting their students and
fans outside the campus I me we can go
down the checklist and there's I I I I
don't know if I can come up with
something bad about this project there's
a lot of projects that that that are bad
I can't find one in all honesty and I've
been developing since 1981 it's
connecting
which one Mr Toro did you have a hand up
as well yeah I Mr Toro thank you I'd
just like to thank uh Mr buo for your
investment here in the city for the many
projects that you undertake
um by putting some are better than
others uh the revenue uh that we have
from the casino and hopefully revenue
from The Event Center will just continue
to always make us grow and look better
so I thank you for your efforts and your
dedication and your Devotion to our city
I appreciate it but the revenue comes
from the hotels it comes to the office
buildings it comes from the apartments
and we we've got I mean probably about
400 people they're all sked residents
now they work for you they live in the
apartment oh they live in the apartment
well of course they are they but think
about it look at look those are all new
people condo I I love we brought in a
lot of new people uh a lot of people
from the National Guard live there and
you know it's nice to see them walking
around with their with their uniforms
and their they have three dominations
each anyway sorry about that Mr you
mentioned about Community agreement what
are you looking forward in terms of um
have this in the resolution or have them
I
agreement I think that it has to be
separate in apart than the resolution
yes Mr you
a go ahead and we do we add that into
the resolution that the funding is
contingent
upon or make that part of your Grant I
mean that
right I agree contract for the money
contract resolution tends to be more
generic the contract thank you and we we
can have clawbacks if we don't live up
to it too which is great oh we'll put
that in there
too I should open I shouldn't open my
mouth I'm sorry goad Mr far no no no I I
think that you know what the point I was
going to raise is kind of an answer I
think that you know people understanding
that there's various ways that such a
project will um you know increase you
know the quality of life for people
living the city is connec he kind of
having those things laid out um in in an
informa of agreement um can also you
know sh off uh the confidence for the
people so again I appreciate your
flexibility we can collaborate thing too
and guess what it's some of it's going
to be a little big because we don't know
what we don't know yet this is nobody's
one of these before I think the last one
built the last one that's actually overw
too and it was U uh the state gave him a
lot of money to do that
one uh but ever around here GL fall cers
the last thing brother that was long
time ago excuse
me so um we need um this is actually a
question for the council we need to talk
about what those what the people looking
for in terms of the community agre I
mean you brought up one in terms of
could we use but we need to have that
language in time for um for you to put
together the resolution or
no the resolution would be more generic
the actual contract for the allocation
of money is more specific okay so I
definitely say we would need that um in
order to to move forward and then and Mr
um so those those storms those storms
will be in the contract contract yes so
we could move forward tonight yeah I
know I understand that and Mr buo has
generously said that we can put in if it
doesn't happen they'll Rec clbs he said
it I
didn't um you listen to it can we add
the special meeting I'm sorry can we add
to the special
meeting oh oh
so Mr um Mr Williams is asking if we
could have that discussion about what
we'd want to see into the special
meeting about the ARA so I'm open to
that but we could definitely um move
this tonight but we should have that
conversation about what that means to
look like that the language yes yes
that's MH yeah I'm fine if there so I'm
willing to move this I'll second it all
in favor
I all right you can you can
go want leave your voice is bothering
you so we're done thank you all I
appreciate it's
exciting all right um oh one more before
there so discussion on the more and the
ba shops yes Toro uh yes so uh this is a
followup from the moratorium I put
through in that I asked for in July of
200 uh 23 so there's been actually an
uptick in um shops that have opened um
within the city and I get uh increase in
residents concern about 2 3 4 in a
neighborhood um uh so we all know that
uh flavored Vates and smokes are legal
in New York state and the health
department is doing their job with
sanitarians that are going into these uh
into these Stores um and Cora market and
um doing a job as far as the illegal
part of it I'd like to see a moratorium
imposed for 6 months so we continue so
we can continue working on uh the zoning
of uh where where we'd like these shops
to be
placed um
and uh continue with uh with our codes
Department to go in and uh to see uh to
make sure they're all compliant um out
of the many um shops that uh our code
department has visited since uh July of
last year um the uh smoke and vape shots
have not even uh followed through with
any of the compliance so most of them uh
on our list are still in violation so so
um I would like to uh see if we can uh
impose a moratorium for 6 months can you
explain again what you said about the
health department I don't see that here
in in this writing no it's just I've
been uh doing some followup uh with the
health department um to make sure that
um you know because like I say flavored
uh smoke and Vapes are illegal Menthol
and flavored Vapes and cigarettes are
illegal in New York state so I followed
up with the health department and they
are on their part doing uh you know uh V
uh imposing fines and violations on some
of these places where they find them
it's $100 a day for any uh flavored Vape
that they find in a in a store and it
can date back as long as it can be
proved with like maybe sometimes even
3040 $50,000 in fines that are imposed
so um so who gets the money County it's
well it's the county dep County so
anyway so so needs to get in on this
yeah that is being that is being done
and I'd like to just see that the
moratorium is imposed for uh 6 months so
again we can continue working on our
zoning and uh just so my question um
first is do we have a list of of the
um ones like you said they're doing this
is there a list of the ones in concy
that we have do we have that oh joh send
us one we
that we in various stages well we we do
I I and I have to apologize because I
don't know the uh I forget the uh G the
head of code now um but I did yes all
right no I meant the list from the state
you said the state's going in do we have
a list from the state of on they've done
its connecting no it's it's the county
is I do not have a list of the county ones because it's a whole
separate deal I mean that's for them
being illegal they're not illegal to
open they're just not in compliance
right now and I and they're in different
neighborhoods where a lot of the
residents are complaining so I just want
to take care of that part for us okay Mr
you know I was just going to Echo that
Soo I did follow um the from the mayor's
um office and um everybody has a copy of
it in terms of where they are in terms
of their um enforcement enforcement and
I think um I wish it can go faster but
you know things happen and I heard that
there also some um in the clerk's office
there's some application in there also
uh do we have like a count of how much
do that so um so the the let me just be
clear the applications in the clerk
office are for cannabis
licenses and um not for smoke shops uh
we if we want to find out any smoke
shops are in the pipeline that would
have to come from the Department of
development so and speaking about the
Cannabis um there was 17 the last time I
looked I don't know what if that number
has
increased 17 appli shs in the city yes
but there's you know um but they can't
just open like that they have to go
through a whole process to the state of
New York and all of that so um and when
I looked only one person actually had a
license they all filled out the
paperwork because they're trying to hold
their place but only one person actually
had their license from the state of New
York and the ones that I looked at but I
was trying to hold their place but keep
in mind that this that with um cannabis
the office of cannabis management
already put in some things that can
can't you can't even though you we say
17
they can't be within uh I think a thous
a th000 ft of each other and all that so
there are 17 right now applications of
people
are anticipating and hoping that they
can open um Cannabis shops that but this
is that's different than than the smoke
shops which are currently open is there
a limit on the Cannabis shops that the
state gave
us
oh that
impulse myal ran ran out about an hour
ago
Mr is is there a a limit on the amount
of cannabis shops that can open you know
that's a question actually I think for
the office of cansas business management
I don't so let me just just really
quickly up to date we've been working on
zoning I don't know where it is at this
point in time where they can go um you
know we've had a change in Corporation
Council so I'm not sure where that is
right now but one of the reasons we
didn't do the moratorium before is we
were moving ahead with uh enforcement
and we were moving ahead with putting a
zoning in place so that we could control
that so at this point in time um the
zoning
is is not done yet okay the zoning
moratorium has to be in place and then
the zoning will follow behind it doesn't
have to be but it could be it could be
but Mor but you had to put the U the
moratorium so you can work on the
ordinance and then present that while
your if you wait if you do the zoning
afterwards it becomes a non-conforming
use you don't have the ability to
displace the business absent some
financial compensation well then the let
me just add Mr I'm sorry Mr Williams had
his hand and then Mr M Mr Williams yes I
would say the context in which we
entered I think the council electing not
to proceed with the moratorium was based
on relying on or allowing enforcement to
um reestablish itself within the city
and I think to miss porterfield's Point
since there's some staffing changes that
process has been disrupted so I think it
is um warranted Mr Toro to bring back
this this uh item of re-evaluating
proceeding with the moratorium and I
think that again to to your point sir it
allows us the opportunity to reevaluate
and allows um our Corporation Council to
um get herself acclimated with our
zoning um so I think we left off with
corridors um but again until that
framework until that uh wording is
established we are then allowing any any
business to function at will so I think
it's i i would support one Mr M yeah no
I'm going through this um legislation
here the legislative request and the
proposal is for um 6 months MH is that
too much of time to to get all pick up
here stopped off and let move forward in
terms of continue where the previous
cooperation Council left uh would 3
months be enough to to to get that sort
out them back to us for
approval um we we can try uh I mean we
have to draft the legislation and it has
to come before Council and there may be
amendments so it may take more than 3
months um go ahead Mr M more than three
mons but is is there something already
draft yes uh yeah we do have I think we
do have a draft absolutely so I think 3
months is 3 months that because there's
a draft it just need to come back to us
we review get back to you any changes
and then move forward in a in a couple
cycle So within a month time we can roll
that for six
weeks um I think Mr Tor had a hand up
so and the other um legal part can be
put on hold all the application right
for the certificates of use yes we can
put on hold for the yeah for the shops
and everything else that hear so
everything that was filed we just put
stop the clock well even if it's already
been filed
yes have to look at each one what the
status is might be some way administra
we hold or whether we be acting in an
arbitrary or capricious manner yeah
that's why I wanted to address that
because in this recomendation here it
did ask for that the whole all
application yes it specifically said um
no new applications but no previously
submitted applications shall be accepted
or even processed so even though we're
already submitted the application and
we've accepted them you're asking that
they not be processed is that what is
that what ask I just want to make sure
that the ask so just just follow on a
legal standpoint I don't think we can do
that but if you can just I have to take
follow and get back to us on that and
you know my I think I think we already
have the draft 3 months is good time for
us to to get it back on the Barner and
let's move forward with it I'm in favor
of us hold it for 3 months um and along
with that if if if we if 3 months isn't
we can always extend it that's correct
that we don't get there in three months
Mr Man was your hand up you just around
Mr turo Mr turo yes so um I I would
still like to push for the 6 months only
because we we we did most of us did meet
with development um and and uh kind of
uh I put an overlay on where we would
like to these uh shops developed with 17
cannabis applications I I do separate in
the part I I know it is but I'm going to
speak on that for one moment thank you
um with 17 cannabis applications it
seems as though and and and I've done
some research where these smoke and vape
shops kind of hover around um if we just
look on Upper Union Street there's four
and then one up a little further in Nuna
um so I I would just like
again for us to take our time and
consider where we want these smoke and
vape shops to be popping up so again I
would like to just push for the six
months and coration Corporation Council
has a yes you have
something um Mr Mr Ryan oh so yeah we
were saying that we can uh we can bring
the uh the draft to you for the next
legislative cycle so that you can review
it um for the moror yes for the moror
and then we can start reviewing the Zing
all right Miss Patrick you have your
hand up I just think I think there's a
lot of a lot here um and so I would want
to stick with the six months as well I
mean I don't know if others are hearing
the same numbers of complaints um but I
definitely regularly hear complaints
about the numbers of smoke shops and V
vape shops that are popping up um so I
think the six months is reasonable
actually um but I do support this um
hear what other people want to say but
um I I would like to stick with the six
months as well it just seems like
there's a lot that we have to that we
have to
do I don't know well I would I would say
that I want I would prefer to go with
the three months if we need an extension
do it because we already had the we
we've been working on this for some time
there was a lot of work done we went to
meet so there's a lot of work that's
that that Corporation Council is not
going to have to do because it's already
been done we already gave our input with
the exception of course of our newest
council member so and again if we go
three months and we're able to make that
deadline which I would hope that we can
work through that and get that done then
if we're not there then we have an
opportunity for an extension I'm sorry
Mr M yeah and the draft is already in
place even they overlay the map the
draft of the legislation is already in
place it just need to to pick up the
speed that we're left off and kind of
put it together and bring it back to us
which is kind of in agreement here in
terms of that and three months is good I
mean in the past I didn't support it
because there was an enforcement code
enforcement but we have change in
staffing change in Staffing so I cannot
stand on the fence and says well I'm not
supporting it at this point of time
because we need to give both Department
time to bring it back to us with updated
um
narratives and so we do need to clarify
whether or not it's um we can legally
stop the application that are in process
yeah follow
up okay so and that will that be
clarified then in the resolution whether
because if we can't then it won't be a
part of that we or could you just
clarify with the council just um you can
send it to miss mik and she'll send it
out to all of us whether or not that can
even be a part of the leg um the
resolution that we put forward
absolutely are there other questions
concerns okay so at this point in time
go ahead we'll move uh for three months
moratorium for 3
months contingent inability for
applications correct that's correct yes
than second all in favor I okay three
months okay um did that so the last four
items on the agenda are all property
sales which have to be done in the
executive session so all members of the
public will have to
leave
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