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Council committee meeting for uh Tuesday
February 20th
20124 um I'd like to uh call City
development planning first then we'll
recess because uh Mrs Carver has a uh
training that she needs to go to all
right so like
plan good
evening um since we last reported on our
arpa for our arpa updates COC house
contract is complete and pending review
from the mayor's office as well as bcn's
contract um still pending some of the
pre-contractual requirements are the w y
YMCA Harbor House and Electric City
Co-Op Electric City Co-Op is 95% there
they just don't have sight control yet
so um more information to come with that
um Miracle on Craig um is still
currently in the hands of Corporation
Council I don't know if Maxine has a
update on where we are um it has been
deposited for recording today um it will
take about a week or two for us to get
confirmation of
preparation thank you um the bees the
house um we are still waiting
for a decision from City Council on
their additional ARA fund request of
400,000 um the same for
YMCA they are asking for the 100,000 to
support the black and Latinos Achievers
program we also have pending the YWCA
who asks for additional arpa funds of
1.5
million um as of February 16th um our
affirmative action officer has asked um
to make a change with the arpa funds for
the Empowerment Center he would like
that to go towards
programming um so I'm not sure if I
should move forward with the legislative
request um to city council but I did put
it on here just for items to discuss
and last but not least is the create
Studios um received the email um from
city council president asking me to do
some research on an application um that
was deemed lost so we were able to
retrieve that application and now we're
waiting for an updated application with
current dates current budget to submit
to city council for
consideration all right all right um so
we some of the stuff we covered like the
Y Ember asked for the 100,000 we talked
about the fact that we don't have we
don't have 100,000 left for that so um I
I at the time I asked the mayor if we
need to just write a letter back but our
decision on that was that we're going to
be going to we're going to be coming to
you with this that our decision on that
was that we would just send them a
letter and say we don't have the money
um but please you know provide
additional information is what Mr moodar
said he would like to hear about about
their program um the Bethesda house we
we talked about it but we have we have
to come to you Miss Carver that our
meeting was on Thursday to um to follow
up with all the different different
things that we
need and the same goes with the Y WCA
and duri this is our
first hearing about this uh
so it's about what's one 1 million
something there asking for the entire
thing to go to program so I think that's
something for more discussion we'd have
to look at their appli
that is Dury's
application it is empowerment
application that was combined with Dury
but they want all the money to go to the
programming mhm which D's money already
is allocated for programming and so
programming
for um that was not all the way clear in
the
application dar's application um was
really about construction um fixing part
of their property it wasn't programming
but somewhere along the lines these
applications got intertwined with each
other or me any more clarity is Patrick
I thought that the um part of the grant
that was um the Empowerment Center was
um I didn't get that it was construction
I thought we were looking to actually
have a building let let me clar clarify
D's original ARA application not
Empowerment Center D apply for arpa
fundings right to fix up property that
they own to offer
services right to offer some programming
Services somewhere in
between these applications they got
combined and D was assigned to offer the
programming for Empowerment Center okay
so the piece that is um the uh 88 Albany
Street is off the table then it sounds
like he's he's asking to to move
forward from that property so I'm not
clear on but I guess um I guess the
mayor could speak more about what
happened with the Empowerment
Center it's not formally off the table
yet but just the cost estimates are too
high so there has not been a formal
decision
on how you would do the conceptual
delivery of services if you don't have
that building and some of the last
discussions were uh is the ability to
maybe move some of that into the Miracle
on Craig concept now that is shifted and
so I would still treat it as a dynamic
review on how
to preserve some of those things
conceptually and then actually be able
to implement them
within uh physical space that we
have but right now we don't have
physical space forre anything correct
you your well in
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those pre-identified sites there may be
other things that you could work at the
community college it's complimenting
some stuff the seat Center does the
school district has some program that
they're doing and so I don't
preclude ongoing discussions with any of
those entities to see what we can do
that gives us the most value for the
dollars I think that the idea of the
Empowerment Center was trying to kind to
take take over what map used to do and
keep it keep it kind of neighborhood
based which so everything you talked
about is like so people would have to
like um you know go outside of that so I
think that was part of the reasoning
behind the um Empowerment Center did you
have your hand up M yeah was just saying
I I understand that kind of the merging
of these two projects was because there
was some alignment and kind of what they
you know wanted to offer um now being
that um well I guess we'd have to just
wait for more clarity as to where the
Empowerment Center is so that we can
make a more informed decision on how to
move forward I just think about how the
Empowerment Center not was not being
exactly clear as to what the next steps
are how does that impact a and should we
look at maybe separating the two or
maybe kind of to what the mayor was
saying we look at maybe even encouraging
a third even fourth partner to kind of
fill fill Gap I was just wondering you
know what we think about that and if I
may add um Madam president when we heard
from our affirmative action officer at
the last meeting he did present that we
are doing some of the programming um
currently it is funded with cdbg G funds
and it is not enough so we are we do
have a deficit between the program that
we're offering what those expenses are
and what the affirmative action office
um was allotted for this calendar year
okay so the deficit and program fund
from cdbg
correct so they took a hit they applied
for
37,500 they were awarded 20,000 and that
was supposed to cover rental space for
the program for the construction class
we he also has the um
janitronics program so we're already
over we've already um overspent
okay but I think we still need some
clarity in
in terms of what Mr wants to forward
that information right everyone have
other questions about that oh oh no okay
all right so we can do that and um I'll
send you an email on all the things we
discussed okay thank you the one last
thing though everyone oh is about create
I'll let you is about create their they
did submit an
application somehow it got lost in the
very first round and they brought that
to our attention or let me just be clear
that was brought to the Detention of the
Department of development uh pre Miss
Harbor I'm not sure what happened so
then they brought it forth again um they
sent it to me I forwarded the email to
miss carer so but at this point in time
we know that we we really just lack
funds to do that so um we're going to
have to take a look at what's going to
really be allocated and how that's how
we can consider that because they
definitely submitted their application
on time put around but somehow it just
didn't get moved
forward all right so Mr Williams is
first uh just a point of clarification I
know the mayor uh briefly touched on the
current status of the Miracle on CED
Street project and just so ones on the
same page I left our last special
meeting with the understanding that
there would still be time allotted to
reach out to that perspective coalition
to see if they can come and present
their uh um I guess proposal proposal I
just want to make sure we're still
functioning with that understanding that
we just re the department of development
just received that letter today perfect
so we weren't on the same page up until
a couple of hours ago but we are now
thank you m but um there was also
another entity out there though that so
there were two so the understanding was
that both of those would then um be
presenting a proposal for that
particular
building okay I we can probably talk to
the mayor more about that
okay thank you with that clarification
yes M so the cdbg funding we're about to
have the um first meeting I think right
next week perhaps today
what five minutes from now not five
minutes
um I just it'll be interesting to see
you know whether some of these
applications like I can't remember what
the create one is actually for but you
know whether some of these entities that
unfortunately were unable to fund um I
would think will'll probably be coming
into your office through the cdbg um
Avenue shortly they have RSVP okay yeah
so it'll just be you know I think we
need to all keep that in mind that um
that ongoing annual pot of money um is
about to launch as
well this was for therapeutic art I did
go back and read it after I got the
email M so Mr tur I'm going to write on
Miss Patrick that was my question okay
as well just follow up on the the letter
that you just mentioned is it a letter
or a proposal you receive in regards to
the mirical allocation um I guess it can
serve as both it would need to be a
proposal would need more information
there's there's not a budget or anything
but they're they're asking it's more
like a coalition they want to have some
rights to the decision making that will
happen with Miracle on Craig
but it's clear to them I I did make it
clear that they would need to put a
formal proposal forward so can we ask
them because the time is of the Ence
approaching uh March again we we
literally just received that letter um
today so I did um have a brief
conversation with the mayor so I need to
reach out and and schedule a meeting um
with
them so I will and ask for a proposal
and have them come and present to city
council but I don't I have to be and I
don't know if I can meet with them
before February 29th which was their ask
okay all right Miss Brash you had a
question uh yeah so the I mean the
properties are
being are reverting to the city since I
recorded the Deeds are you talking about
a proposal for a future yes okay I just
wanted okay thank
you anyone
else no thank you thank you yes I
appreciate you so we're going to um ad
joury development planning and then well
then we'll return to the agenda so may I
have excuse me recess may I have a
motion to recess second second Mr Mr M
we all in favor we are recessed so I'd
like to call to order Public Safety
Committee we have five items on the
agenda tonight the first of which is
going to be the vehicle donation that's
going to be spoken to by AC
good evening I'm here tonight to ask for
permission to receive a donation of a
2021 Ford Maki a fully electric vehicle
from Metro Ford now the vehicle valued
at
$34,000 now the vehicle will be used by
the connec police officers assigned as a
community engagement officers located
within the SKC school district and there
are no matching funds
required question other questions oh I'm
sorry that's your that's your
command have been fired
any questions or comments I hearing on
may have the motion so Mo second all in
favor I thank you thank you the second
item on the agenda tonight is a
resolution support of the assembly and
state bills Alpha
7652 Sierra 76 or
7546 establishing a school speed zone
camera demonstration program in the city
of s as many of you recognize this was a
conversation brought forward by both uh
myself and Mr palini uh this has been uh
reintroduced back into the Senate uh and
I made a note that it's currently
forwarded to the transportation
committee as of uh early January just
wanted to make the council aware that
this uh aspect in consideration is still
moving
forward so we'll continue to monitor
that and keep the council aware of any
updates right the next item on the
agenda I'm
sorry okay res so we're going to need to
resubmit the resolution to support the
the continued pushing through of that so
may have a motion so move second second
all those in favor I the next item on
the agenda tonight is a resolution in
support of assembly and state bills
Alpha
7653 Sierra
7545 relating to the adjudications and
owner liability for the violation of
traffic control signal indications in
the city of concy and in similar fashion
this is uh the continuation of the bill
that allows them to to actually bring
forth a legal action to these
individuals uh so we need to continue
with another uh resolution for support I
have a motion if there are any questions
or concerns so Mo second alls in favor I
I the next item on the agenda tonight is
the cprb a sing police review board
appointment letter for the Human Rights
Commission and I'll be spoken to
by and have uh name submitted to the
Council of uh Anthony follower and
Arthur Butler the Human Rights
Commission
perfect one second um before there are
any questions or comments I did want to
take advantage of the opportunity to
just ask I keep hearing of an additional
uh individual from the league of women's
voters um just trying to make sure we're
able to continue with a fully staff
review board so I know if there was any
underlying can you to review that the
design and the alternate I'm sorry that
sir continue to review moving those
forward as you Mo in the alternate for
the legal for ords
correct um so do we do we have a
timeline because I'm about the rest of
I'm continually getting emails and phone
calls about them un their inability to
have a quorum um they as I spoke with
you on the phone they their last meeting
they had to cancel because of that
moving some names forward which will
give them
I said the same thing they're like we
like full
body so um is there any timeline that
you have uh at this point I
don't oh and just as a point of
clarification there's no nominations
currently on the table their names have
been submitted and continue to review
them
okay uh so here no further questions or
comments um may please have a motion to
move forward the two uh subit primary
alternate from the Human Rights
Commission so second all in favor hi uh
the last point of discussion is to amend
the chapter code 93 uh section six for
the ATT liance holdovers and vacancies
um Mr Williams I I provided the uh
council with copies of the uh relevant
portions of the city ordinance dealing
with vacancies so so for Point of
Departure for your discussions so uh um
that those are the two re relevant
portions 93.3 and
93-6 so if you want to have discussions
on that and I can follow along and then
whether I can help draft some proposed
legislation regarding that as long as
you have it in front of you rather than
me kind of guessing what you all want
so uh so I know from myself I've
definitely reviewed this code uh
significantly uh I don't know I don't
want to rush any of the fellow council
members uh just let me know what you're
comfortable with uh I know for me
specifically it was adding in the
language uh to identify uh adding a
timeline outside of the 60 days that an
individual is noted pre their term
ending and then applying an additional
30 days thereafter for the agencies to
have to for a nomination or that um
ability to replace that individual would
come to the mayor he said that he was
open to receiving candidates from any
form of fashion uh in addition to
writing in uh language specifically
addressing the the opportunity for
organizations to present altern
alternates M so you're asking so I I
there's a letter here from Miss uh from
the chair of the cprb and so and she
specifically says that that um if the
organization fails to make the
recommendation to the mayor that the
organization will have forfeited their
right so that's the ask of that then we
then the mayor be able to with the um
support of the council be able to to put
another name forward is that the only
change that they're asking for this time
are that and the inclusion of the
alternates but also making sure language
reged that that did not forfeit that
organization from RE submitting someone
in the future that just meant for the
duration of that individual's term they
would lose that
opportunity Miss Patrick and so I again
I didn't get a chance to read this piece
yet uh that we just got um does
it that's just the current ordinance
right now without any changes this is
just for your you know focusing on what
you all you know that's what it is right
now so if you want to change it um
nothing's been changed that's how it
exists right now and then if I may uh
definitely I think the the place that
we're in right now with the um passing
out of committee for Mr Fowler and Mr
Butler and then also the uh continued
review of The League of women's voters I
think we're now working to actively get
the members there's still an emphasis on
passing this amendment to the code um so
so I don't know if people would feel
more comfortable having a moment to read
it uh outside of the committee meeting
but essentially the changes I just said
is what the chair from the cprb is
recommending Mr P I'd be in support of
moving forward with this resolution as
presented by the cprb um so I don't know
how the rest of the council feels but
any
question my brief review of it it almost
seemed like that's um not so much of a
significant change it almost seem like
the language this could could interpret
to where we're trying to go so I almost
feel that you know so I could be exp
as and then truly it is a minor
Amendment uh and the emphasis was put on
allowing the board to receive their full
body and then to be able to make those
recommendations at a grander scale with
a a full full
board Mr Williams are you looking to
like f that from the general public then
if the organization fails to uh fails to
uh put forward nominee then you're then
the mayor could pick somebody from the
general public and then the council
could vote on that appointment but it
would be a general
public uh appointment and it's not
taking away from the the the existing
structure of the various other
organizations it's says for that
appointment for that term period it'll
be coming from the general public rather
than
from from any because that Organization
for that cycle has for not for the
better term has passed on that
particular appointment and then maybe
the the mayor can
then uh get a general public appointee
for that term and then all those other
Frameworks as as to the uh membership
would stay in place correct would you
want to see some language to that effect
and I can send that to you all next time
Mr M so follow U Mr Brian um does that
bar them from submitting an applicant in
a 2-year period oh I would say that
vacancy would have already been filled
so they would have to wait that
c of the term is what's proposed so I
would say if we were continuing with the
inclusion of an alternate that agency
would be able to submit an alternate um
but that primary seat would have been
filled or would be theoretically
filled um Mr per um so the the other
thing I I think that when the last time
we had this discussion you said that the
council would also be able to sub you
know submit recommendations to the mayor
and um and I think we should need to
look a little bit deeper into um section
93 because I do believe that there's uh
the there's a citiz at large that we're
not currently putting there and um in
addition to the addition to the mayor in
addition to the mayor um I think there's
another seat there we'll have I'll have
to look more closely at 93 and also the
ex official I believe is the public
safety commissioner that is not a voting
member but would um would be a part of
this this
board as far as regarding the you saying
another position from I believe there is
and I don't I thought I thought we had
the whole thing but I only have page one
so I'll I'll get back to you on that
okay so the two ex official members one
of which is the uh commissioner as Miss
pteri highlighted and the second is the
representative from the police
department which I believe is uh
Lieutenant can't
remember captain
sorry
Captain um but to answer your previous
question I don't know if we'd have to
write in specific language because the
assumption is the mayor would be
receiving candidates so that could come
from anyone to include a member of the
organization that lost the right they
would still be able to theoretically
submit their name also Mr Mayor Mr
chairman and again the intent when the
legislation was first put in was to have
uh a broad-based participation of that
board so it had various groups
throughout the community and you know
it's run through periods of being very
active sometimes it's a little bit less
active we're bouncing back now it's the
other side would be to
review those groups has there been any
change in the community since this
legislation was put in where another
group should be added or be one deleted
to
uh again ensure a broad base and diverse
representation on the board and a active
level of
participation yep and I completely agree
with that I think the uh Embassy put on
uh fully Staffing this board so that
they themselves would be able to submit
those recommendations which includes
various other aspects of the code uh but
I have stressed to them the
understanding of maybe expanding or the
uh inclusion of other uh memberships as
well
if there weren't any other questions or
concerns um are we comfortable to make a
motion so are we moving forward with the
U recommendation from the president of
the board yep so be proceeding with the
recommendation with regards to adding
the 30-day uh stipulation and then is
everyone in agreement with also
including specific language equ
addressing to the inclusion of an
alternate let me oh M sorry the process
would call for calling for a public
hearing so if you call for a public
hearing get the draft legislation or if
anybody has any suggestions or
modifications to it it would still be
two weeks
to modify in some manner or REM make it
some comment at the public hearing that
may shift your thinking one way or the
other that's fair right so motion to
call the public hearing yeah so moove
that motion to call public hearing
second all those in
favor are there any other items to Beall
the Public Safety Committee hearing none
you have motion to adourn so move second
faor thank you call to order finance
committee and the fourth item is
amendment to budget line car is
not good evening pretty simple one for
you tonight uh which requesting a line
item uh for zoning officer we're going
to move it back uh from the code
enforcement to development also excuse
me from the code enforcement office to
the development office
um it's an easy switch um originally it
was in development and was moved down to
the code enforcement office so we're
just switching it
back this just reflects actual Staffing
and is revenue neutral just moving from
one position to the other one location
to the other where it belongs to yeah
any other questions comment see on have
of motion so move second all in favor I
thank the next item is called for public
hearing think special assessment
District on a portion of n College
Street this was an oversight and we're
trying to put this in
place any questions I'll move it second
all in favor I I the next item is just a
reminder of Central Parkway sidewalk
Improvement program the public hearing
is scheduled for next Monday February
26th at 700 p.m. room
29 the next item is BC CJs Discovery
grant money Mr Mayor thank you Mr
chairman this is money that the uh when
the rules were changed and Discovery uh
done back 3 years ago now uh the state
provides money to the counties to offset
the increased
cost we uh get some of that money uh
from the county to offset our cost
within the police department terms of
put put together Discovery and uh while
I appreciate this money but ask the
council to approve it I'm not sure it
actually covers our real cost in it but
uh to ask we uh appreciate any help we
can
get this just covered asly not the
benefit so we'll have to pick up the and
some the actual time that's spent too
some of this can be fairly
demanded go ahead please I have a
question I hope it's not putting cheap
on the spot but could you just tell us
more about what this discovery plan
is no yes for the
employes you talk about the grant or the
actual process in the workload yeah kind
of like just I I mean the Grant's fine
but I we'd like to know kind of I would
like to know kind of what it
covers will you join us join
us
oops thank you thank you so uh this
would cover partial salaries for Two
employees that we currently have um an
ips3 and a clerical Aid that work mainly
uh preparing stuff for the DA's office
so they uh review body warn camera
footage they provide that and they help
get records ready to uh for prosecution
purposes so there's just a city
employees they are currently C employees
now yes they're currently CES okay
that's was my question any other
questions thank you seeing now we have a
motion all in
favor the next item is the bis s
property lease agreement Miss bfield
thank you um I brought this up for
discussion actually started during the
budget season and 23 bringing it back
again um to um we pass the resolution
2015 that's while W ago this was and um
we raised the rent at that time from $50
to $500 so I am with asking that we once
again um look at increasing the rent it
is a source of revenue for the city we
um we're going to be having Revenue
surefall according to the mayor in terms
in 2025 so the council agreed
collectively that we would be looking at
Revenue throughout um two of the major
points that we um did were looking at
during the budget discussion or having
concerns about were waste and um and
sewer and water so just wanted to have
this discussion to bring forth um to
once again have this discussion to bring
forth about um increasing the rent there
has we have had an increase in and I can
provide you the information there has
been an increase in taxes that were
paying to the town nkuna for this uh
particular property so and considering
you know all the things that we're
showing increase that we would also
consider increasing this to it will um
not necessarily um cover everything but
to at least um be be offset offset this
cost so I'm putting before the council
that we um increase the rent there were
some conversations about how much
willing to definitely have that
discussion I know there was an amount
that was that you didn't mean that that
uh um but that you know we should we
should take a look at increasing it as I
said it was 50 went to 500 and it's been
9 years the city has um had increased
cost in order for for this property and
so I would like to see us to um to
increase that
rent so yes Patrick I'd like to stand by
what I said at the last meeting which is
that I think that I'd like to know more
about what the original terms of the job
offer what were that in other words if
this person was hired with the
understanding that they would be um
residing in this house providing um
services at that property um that I just
feel that
you know it's sort of going against the
original terms of the job agreement if
there was a letter of agreement or a
contract or whatever um so I just want
to put that out there again
um for
consideration
so we just have to find out if there is
an L of agreements or if there is any I
just feel that LE agreement I we asked
for that yes there was a lease agreement
and it was last done in 27
26 and and and and the the particulars
of that is is very verifying
calibrations of water level I'm just
getting examples here inspect monthly
inspect all Vents and vent screens to
ensure their integrity every six months
operate all valves from the fully opened
or closed positions to the opposite
position as appropriate and visually
inspect also uh at least on a monthly
basis visually inspect the property to
do a w around so
what perhaps for you you have to find a
benchmark and what how a you what's the
rent you know perhaps the city assessors
help you with that or perhaps the a real
estate agent who's familiar with single
family residents rentals then you have a
benchmark and after that having that
Benchmark then you can quantify as best
as you can the work that's done at and
and fact that into your into your your
rental agreement having physical
presence there at the at the at the
reservoir so I think maybe get the get
the City Assessor if if they're
comfortable with doing that just looking
at the house not the of their property
just a rental you know you know how many
bathrooms you know how many bedrooms Etc
or a real estate agent assessor who's
familiar with rental properties to go in
take a look this is what a house like
this would go for notwithstanding the
property and then you have a benchmark
and then and that Benchmark I then you
can you know Quant you know work that
those other intangibles down as far as
having a person on site what's the value
of that right and then having the
physical work that has to be done on a
daily basis or that still need to be
done and then we can factor out a new
lease agreement that I would recommend
be redone and reissued on a yearly basis
so this way on a yearly basis the
council always knows what's going on and
then you're not looking at a larger
increase this way you're keeping tabs on
it rather than trying to play going back
in time so that's my
recommendation Mr can you can you share
with C
the to all of us I would appreciate it
thanks please and I'm going to share the
information about the tax you know I
think you should get this one so I'll
provide that I'll provide the lease
agreements to this have an idea of how
much you know what sort of work has to
be done but I just think that maybe the
next time we're here you have a figure
based off of that figure have this and
then you all come up
with an agreement your with okay thank
you and I did pass out the the taxes
that we paid over the years um since
2015 actually so I just want to make
sure that you have all the information
as making these decisions that all the
information is there
I I'm sorry sure so and to miss
Patrick's um Point there's no um it
wasn't a term of employment because the
lease that Mr um O'Brien is speaking
about was signed with the previous
tenant so it wasn't because of their job
so the previous tenant the agreement was
signed so it B it seems like an employee
whomever lived there it was by the it
was by the tennessy not the
job I guess
I guess I'm wondering if there was some
sort of um letter of agreement upon
offering the job to the person who's in
the position currently if that letter of
agreement said that part of the terms of
the employment like any of us that would
get a salary letter you know uh from an
employer would would indicate that part
of the terms of that employment were was
the ability to live in this house um for
this particular uh we're going on is
what is in the lease agreement as far as
that that's what we have as far as
usually a water department employee
because of the fact if it's a water
department property and the person needs
to have some sort of familiarization
with that type of type of so so it's not
employee benefit necessarily but so
there was nothing in a in a letter of
agreement upon higher I guess is what
I'm asking I think I'm aware so I um I
want to say like I I agree strongly with
us being able to kind of wrap around and
kind of quantify what is happening at
the property and and really assign a
real value to that before moving forward
but I also I would just kind of caution
us if we step outside to get like a kind
of a more real estate agent cuz I don't
think that I think any real estate agent
is operating kind of in the free market
this isn't necessarily a free market
situation if it's not um a city employee
that's uh filling a certain situation
it's not like U we would be looking to
rent better property to anyone else so I
just think that maybe the assessor would
be I just my best thought around would
be the person to do that I just threw
those out
yeah oh not goad please oh thank you yes
and and some of the emails that have
gone back and forth between myself and
you and forward and on to the council um
I did suggest I mean that that you know
first of all if we were going to assess
as a
council the cost of uh that we'd like to
uh raise this rent I would personally
like a tour if if it's going to be up to
us I'd like a tour of this property um
just because I'd like to see it and and
know what why I'm raising the rent or
not raising the rent um secondly I did
suggest if we're not qualified like uh
Council O'Brien put through that um you
know uh should we um have a real estate
agent or someone who specializes in
rental property before we even do that
um uh the department of development has
come up in in these uh emails so I'm not
sure um you know would they be the ones
deciding some type of rental increase I
mean um also what's come up is um Naga
Mohawk the the electric U Bill National
Grid um so um yes the city pays that
bill but then we get a credit back from
them every year because of the solar
solar uh panels up there
um again we we we really don't want to
keep this personal um we want to keep it
about the property um but yet you know
there's been statements made um that the
employee that lives there can more than
enough afford this property and you know
it's been put out there how much this
individual makes um and again we want to
keep it more businesslike than than
personal so I just like to bring to
bring uh those things up and as far as
um you know there's been an amount of
$1,000 put out there from $500 to
$11,000 not that I don't think $11,000
is absurd um it's not absurd in today's
rent but
100% increase on the $500 $1,000 I think
is absurd and any one of us that would
uh take a phone call from any individual
in the city whose landlord wanted to
raise their rent 100% um we'd be
fighting for for them so again we have
to think of us as the city and revenue
coming in but we also have to think of
what we would do for a lot of residents
in the city
so it's not makes me pretty go ahead
please oh sorry so I say it's
questioning your inclusion of some of
the language because i' say up until
that point right now you will be the
first person that brought that up at
this meeting um so that was my my first
question okay um the the second response
to your comment of $1,000 I would say
that clarification would have
credibility if that market print was
significantly under the threshold so I
would say from the residents that I've
interacted with it is very difficult to
get an $1,000 studio so I would say
based on my experience which is not that
of which of the City Assessor so I want
to thank Mr O'Brien for adding his uh
input and feedback um I would say to
myself I I don't know what value seeing
a property would have for me um my
understanding of including that
individual from the ass's office is they
would be best suited with their
background and professional uh
wherewithal to recommend a price range
to us and then although I am partially
not in agreement with kind of evaluating
some of the additional work that's done
on the property due to the fact that if
it's truly city-owned we have
departments and Staffing to do that work
so I think we're then looking at
duplication of resources and then we're
evaluating how to continue maintaining
this property I believe the mayor was
highlighting that there may be some
abilities to incorporate some
technological assist so I think as we
look at properly reviewing uh the the
functionality of this property which I
understand there are certain duties and
aspects that are needed uh I agree with
that um but I think in the year 2024 I
think we might be able to automate some
of those outside of if you need a person
to walk the property like that's
understood um so I think there are some
ways to kind of appreciate the services
that have been rendered thus far but
evaluate if there's a way to apply some
of that smart City uh norance that we we
highlight and and the and a means to
kind of do some inventional savings as
well go ahead please so I did speak to
Mr O'Brien regarding your um suggestion
that the council walk through and you
can articulate what you I think as as Mr
Williams says I think the value of this
you're going in there for you know
evaluation and and the individual is a
tenant of of the that's his house I just
think I think it would be best for for
the assessor to take a look at the type
of property assess it from
just an arms length transaction if you
will how many how how many rooms are in
there how many bathrooms Etc and give
you a value rather than going through
because um I don't know what I mean it's
certainly city property you you could do
it but I don't know what value that you
know this is not like going through the
you're going through somebody's home as
as if you will as the
landlord go ahead please yeah I just put
that out there as the request of the
tenant uh would like us to personally
see um and I'd like to know if any of my
other council members would like to view
the property as
well well I mean as I said I I've given
my recommendation to the than I
appreciate
it so I've seen it from the outside and
so I don't I don't necessarily feel like
I need to to uh go inside someone's home
and and again you know uh I personally
don't have that and doesn't S within my
Pur to be able to look and say well this
is value that that it just is the only
thing I'd be able to look at is the
paint on the walls or how it's kept and
I I don't think there's necessarily
value in that uh so I have to agree
that's why I raised the point to Mr
O'Brien when he was brought up that what
is the best way and so he's he's he's
clearly articulated that
so I think we just um we should maybe
stick to Mr O'Brien our recommendation
to have the assessor office look into
this or an outside agency look into it
and bring that information to us as as a
council here rather than us going there
individually or collectively and try to
make a determination and then come back
and vote on the same recommendation way
way so I think the recommendation from
this is the right path to for us to
choose and let's um do that and get the
information back to us and we regard to
raising something 100% in this year
budget we raise commercial wat to on
garbage 100% so we do we do we did raise
100% on some
fees yeah again I just think it's really
important that we understand and are
able to put a number to you know what's
happening um Know What's happen
operationally on the property now um I
think that's something that we obviously
need to go into kind of whatever formula
we're using to to figure out what we
should be receiving um I mean I don't
need to see the uh property personally
you know sure it's no mini Mansion up
there but I just think that we just at
least want to let the people who are
most qualified to do so do that and then
we can factor in um um what services are
are being provided um at that the given
moment
so go ahead please and just to clarify
my my point like I have zero interest I
trust that our city assessors are are
best equipped to render us a threshold
and then we'll evaluate that accordingly
um and also I just want to kind of take
a point um my position is not taken into
consideration the person uh I think
during our budget season or budget
discussions which were very lengthy
we've left that with an understanding of
evaluating other Revenue Lines within
the city so I think looking at this
individually yes it might be a minor uh
return of funds back to the the city
should we choose to in in the rents but
I think collectively and that's the
conversation I'm truly looking for I
think there needs to be more of an
emphasis placed on capturing uh some of
those additional Revenue lines to to
deat into uh that uh gu I won look at
itga just look at the the gap of before
next year's budget to include having our
quarterly reviews so this just happens
to be the first item that we're
discussing but and it it will not be the
last go ahead please so in that you know
we we talked about revenue and talked
about revenue and so I I am going to
just tell you that I took an opportunity
to look at the revenue lines and for the
F past um at least 3 years we have not
been get any full revenue on that line
so just want to you know we we talked
about it so it was brought up by um
various people so just want to make sure
that you know we need to we need to
rectify
that and I don't know if that's because
there's some agreement with the city I
don't know the details of that but
that's
adjusted he said that's been adjusted
says that was
adjusted
okay any other question go ahead please
no I just want to again want to clarify
that we you know need to keep the you
know the focus as to like this being a a
city property and not about a person or
a Personnel issue or anything of that
matter I think if we go down that road
then we do need to um enter into an an
executive session um I think that if it
was um we're making our decisions based
on anything personal or anything that we
think is you know outside of from of our
scope then I just would caution us not
to do that um and I definitely will be
participating in
that I think the discussion so far has
been about Revenue income and all of
that so and and we're we're clear about
using the term
tenant I think J what go ahead sorry in
independent of this discussion
appreciate the council's interest
if you have not been to that site you
should be to the site it first of all
it's also part of our critical
infrastructure so in terms of Homeland
Security it's rated differently there's
a 711 megawatt solar facility that's
been installed there it's also an
integral part town hisun is water system
and some of the communications equipment
for Public Safety uh not only for the
city but throughout the county is
located there so that some point should
go there just be aware of it and
understand the significance of
it go ahead so does NIS I know it's in
nisun so does NIS unit take any part of
the like the outdoor maintenance are
they responsible for any of
that no
and we're challenging the assessment on
some of our property and our we always
look forward to working with our sister
communities sometimes I'm not sure we're
getting the best deal and some of them
were're moving through formal
proceedings on well in the first year it
was like
$8600 increase um I think back in 15 or
16 and then it's been less since then
but we're looking at um over the those
past 9 years $15,000 increase so for me
it's about you know we're looking at the
increases that we're getting and we need
to um Step Up the the revenue on that
and also Tak into consideration what the
Market rent is now which is um pretty
significant probably sometimes three
times that or even four for for I don't
know what the inside looks like but for
um for an apartment and not a house so
again this is the really about revenue
and um costs that the city is incurring
and how we can like increase our Revenue
to close that very large budget Gap that
uh has been you know that the mayor's
brought forward that we're going to have
and I think that's why it's important
that we do this starting now and not
wait until we you know we're sitting
around the table again in October um
because that was so much fun that look
forward to it
again so that's why I want to bring this
forward and to make that consideration
so U Mr O'Brien would you um be asking
the assessor to do that or how yeah our
office will ask the assessor to do that
and then uh and then come back with it
for your next next council meeting with
a figure from which to work from and
then from there proceed okay draft the
lease at the appropriate
time and the current lease that you have
you're going to email it to yes the leas
the last lease that was yes for your for
your situational awareness yes we'll
send that to you but just to be clear
the lease that we're going to get is for
a prior T is there we don't have a
current Le that's correct is that
correct that is correct okay thank you
just sing in so we have a look at the
language just for the language the
duties and responsibilities would be
good for
reference for free okay thank you thank
you Mr mudar any other questions so we
build P this for two
weeks okay any other item before
Finance motion to return so mov second
all in favor I thank you okay I'd like
to call the order government operations
we have two items on the agenda the
first is the home rule request to
support Senate and assembly bills a70 58
s 7409 to increase the membership of the
special district operations and
development committee uh president 43r
thank you so the um the board from the
uh dsad U brought this forward to us and
asked that well they actually went first
to assembly in Santa Barbara and and the
senator and uh to ask that they be able
to increase their board and they so they
bypass the process of asking for the
home rule so they went there and they
already got their bill numbers but the
Legislative Office uh informed them that
in order to do this they need to come
back to the council and ask for the home
rule so um they reached out to us to um
see if we would do that if we're in
agreement with them increasing their
board and what uh I was told is the same
thing that many boards have said they're
having difficulty achieving their Quorum
so they want to be able to increase
their board in order to be able to make
a quum and to move forward with their
meetings so I'm bringing this for for
the council to um support a home rule
request to the Senate and the assembly
for the bills that there to increase the
membership um of the
DSA questions
comments move pres support second second
all those in favor
I all right our next agenda item is
appointment to the ethics board and
that's all presid
yeah so this came before the um the
council once before it got
to it moved forward on the agenda out of
the committee onto the agenda and um
there was a roll call requested at the
committee meeting excuse me at the
council meeting and so since there was
no second the the item failed because it
had been removed from the consent agenda
so um I'm bringing it back again and I
just want to again articulate that's
another board that has it's made up of
five
and right now only three of the it's
excuse me it's supposed to be five but
right now there's only four people and
only three of the four can um are able
to make the meetings because of health
issues and so what that means basically
is anything that comes before them every
single person has to agree because two
to one will not pass anything because
the board is supposed to be five so um I
know that one person that's on the board
is going to probably out in my is for a
while so I was bringing forth the name
of Christopher Marney who as we all know
who used was formerly an employee here
and his resume is before you and for us
to um consider this individual to um to
be moved forward to be a member of the
ethics board any questions or
concerns uh so I wanted to take a moment
these were comments that I withheld from
our last council meeting but I take a
pleasure in the opportunity to like
address Mr who in the room right now uh
over the course of my political career
in the the city uh I have only known for
Mr Mar to have served in his capacity as
Deputy Corporation Council with the
utmost distinction and professionalism
and I think that is none short than what
we would expect from anyone functioning
in that role uh to date I haven't heard
of any issues or complaints regarding
the manner in which she practiced being
a steward of our city code uh but to me
he uh personally would would provide
unbiased feedback on how to to uh
conduct um my uh uh actions as a city
council member and it is with that
understanding and those interactions
that I believe he would be best suited
to apply an unbiased and objective uh
presence onto this board uh so I would
ask that if anyone had any uh uh
concerns with the individual that you
would just make them known at this point
uh just due to his uh resume and uh his
as Community involvement also I I don't
know why uh anyone would be opposed to
having a credible individual Jo join uh
this board to help
support questions anyone want to add on
to that express any concerns
questions see I move this do do we have
to move this or it's
already no we don't have to it says well
do we have we do have to move it yes we
should move because it fell off the
agenda so we're going have to move
again move I move I'll second those in
favor I I thank you thank you no more
business to operations I will AC a
motion to adjourn so move second those
in favor we adjourn thank you I'd like
to reconvene City development and
planning um we had originally had 11
items on the agenda Miss Carver needed
to go on to her training and so
therefore she's left so we have 10 items
remaining
um and the first one is to I don't see
Mr wall in the room
though uh are
youing you you're Mr well I on those
issues yes I should be able to handle
any question the council so the item
number two is the authoriz the issue
issue of a revocable permit number 681
to pierce Renewables for a sign that
overhang the cities right away 155 I I
think the council has the information on
this called a fairly standard
application for signage in city where it
goes into the city right away and uh
asking for revokable perit to be
issued any questions oh your hands not
up that's just like put your hand on
your face second all in favor I thank
you item number three is another vocable
permit to 680 uh Number 682 Miler
restaurant for assignment overhang
cities right away at 500
Street steel Bank of America
building but I thought those were
Apartments
this is on the first
floor where this sign is going to go the
business is going the apartments are
stairs Citi oh this is this is not no
500 is Bank of America so the other side
of the street the new Ortho no isn't it
right oh Ortho New York's going to have
a restaurant on the ground floor
yep okay I guess it'll be easy you can't
be late for lunch come back from lunch
not the restaurant that's going to where
the old citizens B was okay all
right in the package you can see the
signage close to the corner but the
property line for all practical purposes
is right at
the okay
sidewalk that's interesting a motion
second all in
favor okay um
next item number four is uh work on
the contractor's building the pump
station and the golf course and this is
the electrical work and upgrades there
and it's in budget
and I want to say this is going to
finish the building off but I'm not sure
if there might still be some other work
on it
so this is within the ARA allocation
that we've already provided to this uh
to the Dolf
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course I'm
going now if this is out of
the oh yes this is for the irrigation
pump house so this is upgrade the
electricity so yes you're right so it's
already cover there is something other
work that's coming out of the golf
course budget but this electrical
contract will upgrade
the outline three-phase wiring to be
able to handle the new equipment for the
pumps okay any question I'll move it
second all in favor thank you uh the
next item is to review the moratorium on
smoke and vape shops M Boro yes thank
you um so um everyone received from uh
Corporation Council harash did I say
that correctly harash yes um the
moratorium that she uh proposed and put
forward um had uh several opportunities
to read it over and um just kind of a
few questions my myself as far as uh the
implementation of zoning and we are
working on that continuously that will
be once yes we've got to think yes that
will be a priority because with your
asking for in this particular
legislation is is a 90day uh period for
us to get that zoning ordinance uh
amended and means it's going into the
various sections of the zoning code and
putting in the the definitions and the
language that you need in that code so
yeah that's uh this is just the
moratorium so of putting holding things
in place for the period of time and then
the follow on piece of ation which will
come before you at a later date will be
the the actual zoning code amendments so
that will require a public hearing as
well because we're amending the zoning
code and uh
and so that's that will be being worked
on to get that what you're intending to
get into the the zoning code this is
just the moratorium so you can see just
by the language of this moratorium it
goes for a number of pages so yes yes
right so the code has to be
addressed I so in your estimation is 90
days enough or should we go back to the
original six month report back to you in
60
days I will give myself a a 60-day
deadline and then if I feel that I can't
get this to you in that time period I
will report back to you but uh um that
is my my my goal is to get get it to in
that time period and I'm not you so but
30 days out I'll report back to you okay
so there was some framework that was
already set so are you able to like
build upon that because most of us met
um with the formal Corporation I know
that you there's an overlay map that was
produced now we have to put the overlay
map and your intents into into the code
itself so I I've seen the overlay Maps
but it's we even add into the various
sections of the code okay and my further
question is so this uh moratorium is
also on any
cannabis uh properties uh businesses
that want to
open it's all it's all all that that was
what your public hearing was when you
had the public hearing this this this is
the this is the resolution that you all
have had back in uh August you had a
public hearing back in August um um for
the the implementation for the uh for
the moratorium legislation and then you
paused implementing the moratorium
legislation yes Mr
bar yeah so so
um how I understood that the moratorium
was for vape and smoke shots and um I
didn't know that our original moratorium
didn't did not include Cannabis shops to
my to my Reg think we have an
ability and I know that Mr O'Brien is
definitely kind of I appreciate the work
that you're doing here trying to piece
this all this together cuz I think that
that wasn't there was a lot of uh moving
pieces around this and a lot of
different discussions so I could see how
that could um definitely cuz I I know at
one point that was discussed so I think
that I can see why I would be here now
right we're talking UNR one unregulated
smoke shops vape shops tobacco and vape
consumption yeah yeah
yepes not
canab sorry yeah if if you want to if
you want that
amended the Cannabis retail we'll take a
look at that because I'm looking at the
original legislation the the original
first paragraph of the we AB in this it
says can cannabis retail consumption and
usess so we can delete that we can
delete those references for your for for
final consideration for next Monday to
delete that we can work that and delete
those references in this legislation and
then uh give you a clean a clean
moratorium if you so way wait Mr Toro
had hand I'm I'm sorry cannabis
consumption it's it's not that's just
using it's not selling it's I'm not
familiar with that terminology and and
then I I do have something under um
number four enactment of temporary
moratorium uh item number
two uh no previously submitted
applications for building permits and
land so I was under the impression that
if something had already been submitted
that that
was going to go forward that could go
forward I would like him to stop but
yeah me too though I was kind of
well I think okay wait Patrick had her
hand up first so I'll let go well I
noticed that as well when I was reading
this and I actually would be in favor of
that but I didn't think that we could do
that either um but I thought that was
cool that I would like to see that
included and then I think in terms of
the Cannabis that it also does include
the
paraphernalia in other words like if um
you know pipes and and that kind of
thing we could include in this um but it
was my understand understanding as well
that we
couldn't um go against what the state
was doing with cannabis although this
does say something I wasn't sure if I
was reading it correctly um but there
was something in here that did look
like well we were able to do that no
what what it it does in that where
section of you know relooking at that
it's just saying we do have the um
flexibility of smoke shot
which is you know regarding cannabis
retail that's what that's saying there
so we can't do it for the Cannabis
retail right I that was my original
understanding was that we couldn't touch
cannabis retail we can touch cannabis
paraphernalia right it looks like we're
only touching cannabis consumption I'm
sorry it looks like we're only in a
couple of different spots um and then uh
on page number four of seven at the very
top it it touches on cannabis
consumption again so I I guess what we
don't want are are people in these smok
and vape shops kind of like smoking is
that consumption in
there we're not allowing that we don't
want that to
happen Mr well Mr you have a point no I
I I think when we we discussed this uh
previously um the Cannabis um we should
consider removing the words uh wherever
it is where with regards to cannabis if
it's consumption or paraphanalia because
I don't think we initially talk about
that I don't think we can touch that
because of State regulation yeah cuz if
you take a look at the moratorium
section it says no new applications for
vape shops smoke shops toac shops in
that that's where the moratorium that's
exactly so we that's where the
moratorium Lang we need to remove
anything that um is directing us towards
cannabis in this um in this draft here
and at the same time we did talk about
um the application that is inhouse I
don't think we can put a stop on that
legally we have to treat them one by
Case by case basis and mentioned that
too the last time we discussed Case by
case basis to see the application if
it's worth it and um and if the
department of development will U will
move forward with the application on
filed so we looked uh into that so if
you were if the council were to pass
this this would be an ordinance and so
you would be effectively amending the
city code so you would uh if you pass
this or or similar language as a
moratorium then you you could stop um
anything you could stop applications
that are currently on file
from oh so as of as of the date of
filing of the date of the ordinance the
eff dat so they want to file We Can't
Stop Those we can stop anything that
comes after
we so that's what we talk we're talking
about the on have no no let me it says
and no no previous submitted so if
they're already submitted we this this
is saying they get stopped no we can't I
don't think so well that's what this
says that's clearly what this says we
can yeah it would I'm sorry this it
would be suspended based on this new
legislation you're amending you're
amending the city code by passing this
so we go retroactively it can yes can
and the ordinance we put that in this
ordinance to go retroactive to the
application that is on pass we can make
that more clear is that it's it's
already in there I
think we can look at it clarify that
yeah we might want to clarify that if
that's the case because that way we
cover
ourselves I me and not an open end if
you don't mind please so that we're
covered in any way because my
understanding we discussed it prior to
this to several more term that we we
can't deal with the applicational file
we just have to deal with the new ones
that that is coming in Mr Williams had
to stand up I know say it's important to
make that distinction so if there are
any individuals who are owning or in the
process of getting their application
reviewed for a smoker vate shop I think
the the discussion around a moratorium I
think we were all in agreement we're
saying stop so I think stop a little bit
essentially is not addressing the issue
so I do remember Mr Cen previously
saying that if they were in that review
process but thank you for the
clarification I think regardless of what
state you're in in that review process
we're saying stop flow is the time to
review the uh the corridors or the
overlays and then we will reopen when we
are are better suited to address some of
the issues that our committee members
have
identified so I just want to um to make
sure that you know it says cannabis so I
just want to make sure that legally
that's something we can do because smoke
shop and cannabis I remember they you
said it was like similar uses I want to
make sure that we can't we can separate
that out um and not have it in there um
so that we're not having any difficulty
regarding that and um so and also I I'll
give with you and so also so for this
moratorium we actually have to just we
can't just pass the moratorium we have
to actually change our code we can't
pass the moror with that because that
that kicks the process down the road a
little bit well I mean what this
moratorium does means you you want to
look at your code you know you don't
have to do anything during the code I
mean you because you may decide not to
do it but you want you're pausing things
because you're thinking about without
amending it we can't you the final
product of the the legislative process
may not you know not everybody will be
happy with it I don't know it's it's
unforeseen but um but the idea is to
stop it and then allow the legislative
process to go through and then finally
adopt it you'll have another public
hearing on the amending of the zoning
ordinance so that's what I want to
clarify um that because Miss barash said
that this would be like many the code so
it's really two separate things it's uh
it's doing the moratorium and then we if
we wanted to change all the language in
the code then that that's that's a whole
separate thing and that's a whole
another public hearing because it's
anytime anytime you deal with the you
know the zoning code or the building
code or whatever you need to have a
public hearing so yes so there'll be
another public hearing once we get
that legislation together and uh and
it'll be ready for a public hearing for
review and comment thank you Mr Farley
oh I'm sorry did I overlook you miss
Patrick I can go after Mr Farley Mr
Farley thank you um so I guess my
question around so it you know it reads
no previously admitted applications for
building permits and land use approvals
for vape shops smoke Etc I guess my
question is if someone has put in their
um application and they have already uh
got approval but haven't maybe opened
their vape shop yet or saying that even
after their approval we're saying if
they're
approved they've gotten their
certificate then they can move forward
if it's the issue whether they've
submitted an application or
not if it's we've approved it um well if
it's been approved then it would move
forward but this would this would halt
anyone to send application process yeah
okay yes just follow on that because um
couple months ago we had a enforcement
process was going on court enforcement
with the mayor and that was a long runal
process where they are submitting their
application they are submitting people
working find come in compliance so you
we're saying that all that effort is
going to come to a preing h because they
are in the process they are maybe 80%
75% I mean based on based on this
particular language it would if you
would like something different we can
amend this language yeah we we we we
might yeah because we have we have a
process that's ongo there's an
enforcement already ongoing from code
enforcement to bring these shops in
compliance so by putting that in there
we'll stop all that effort or bring in
those business that was we from since
last year trying to get themselves in
compliance okay so that was prior to my
10 year here so um when you say bring
them into compliance you mean they open
they open without
in the process of getting all that
documentation and getting inspection and
the okay so we I want to look at that um
that report like a date have a
date we can put a particular date by
like a cut off date yeah we can look at
the last
the I can forward it to you but have a
copy of the last of the most updated um
version from code enforcement so that
way you can attracted by the dates have
anything to that extent or beyond that
can be u
c okay I understand what you're saying
all right Miss Patrick mran did you want
to add something just you know I'm
hearing a lot you know hearing a lot of
you tweaks to this so I think the best
practice would probably be take we'll
take your comments we'll retweet this
again and then we'll we submit it back
to you for you know a final review based
on your comment you provided here to and
for us to uh research some other aspects
that you all brought up this evening
okay Miss Patrick well I mean if
somebody is open
illegally I'm okay with them not being
able to keep going with the process I
mean I think we should shut them down um
is that I I is that what you're saying
you're saying they they they still have
the chance to continue open Cote
enforcements bringing them into
compliance and that was the document
that was shared to us so we need to know
where they are in terms of that and then
there should be a cut off period as to
say exactly this is the date that is cut
off anybody beyond that they have to
wait on the 6 months moratorium and
follow the new zoning
rules so sometimes uh I mean often times
people
submit uh for certificates of use and
they're denied and they have to resubmit
so
so there
may they there may be businesses that
have
pending applications for certificates of
use that will ultimately be denied but
if this were to pass if you were to pass
this they wouldn't be able to
Reit so I mean again we can change the
language we just need to understand what
language you're looking for specifically
like what's your intent on something
like that okay Mr Toro um just in the in
the updated sheet that Mr mudaron did
provide to us I'd say out of how many
were on there I don't think any of them
have in 6 months have even bothered to
try to come into compliance maybe one or
two yeah there a few there a few of them
they still working couple but otherwise
we really haven't heard from any of them
may and there is a wide
variance in that where people have
opened and haven't followed any of the
rules and then so the Corporation
Council points out they're Summit of
open they may have technical issues or
paperwork isn't quite to what we'd like
and so we try and work with them to
bring it up to a level of compliance and
the only other thing uh would submit to
you talking about a 90day moreor here is
actually pick a date is it 90 days from
the day the council passed it is 90 days
that the mayor signs it is it 90 days
when it goes back to the cour to be
filed some sort mhm you know do the end
of May or maybe the 1 of June I think
that would be a little bit over 90 days
but something so it's a clear reference
uh so that internally for our controls
than just the public knowing what the
deadlines are okay Mr far yeah I just I
just think that uh given deference to
Corporation Council I I think that their
idea around taking you know the new
information that some of us have shared
here and being giving them an
opportunity to um research any issues
that have been raised and kind of um to
clean it up a little bit and present it
back to us for lack better ter I think
that there I would just agree with that
course of action thank you um
so it looks like that's what's that's
going to happen this point so and this
is just generally um I think that we
should be looking at all certificate of
occupancy not just these particular ones
and and and with is everyone in
compliance because I'm not I'm not bad
I'm not going for S but as May mentioned
the last time but I I I'm sure that I'm
not I'm more than sure that there are
some businesses out there that don't
have a certificate of occupancy so as
we're talking about I know we're
focusing on this just one particular
type of business but that relates to all
businesses and so as we're doing that
enforcement or just talking to people
and say bringing you know you need to
bring um this you need to bring this up
to have a signific of occupancy which
generates into Revenue so I think that
we should be looking at all of them and
I know that something's code enforcement
but I just really want to make sure that
we put that out there that we're just
not focusing on one particular business
does in everyone the same rule applies
in terms of certificate occupancy so I
think we're just at this moment talking
specifically about those types of
businesses because that's what the
moratorium deals with um I can say you
know in corporation council's office
that you know we are reviewing
certificates of use and we apply the
same um you know we we look at the same
way under the suspend our review well
really what I'm talking about code
enforcement making sure that they get to
you that's really that so everyone has
one whatever the process is beginning
whatever the beginning process is that
we need to make sure that we're engaging
in that
sure Mr M just are you moving your hand
around saying
hi so we we we will take into
consideration all the comments over here
and then put them into the draft and
then send them back to us with regards
to looking at the the app that we
haven't filed the enforcement that is
currently in place from code enforcement
in terms of looking at the Timeline when
those application was filed and look at
the draft to kind of cut that off that
your
time yes and um like the mayor said we
we try to work with businesses to get
them into compliance however there may
be here and there uh
if if their application is
denied and they have to resubmit it may
be after after this date and they may
not be able to for the 90 days
well when we say deny we we can deny for
a simple letter from the state or deny a
simple letter from the country so we
have to look into into those
consideration yeah we I'm I guess I'm
saying if their application for
certificate of use is not sufficient if
it doesn't meet all the requirements set
forth in the code um sometimes we're
able to get have them Rectify it but
sometimes based on it depends on what
the particular ISS issue is some issues
cannot be rectified in the current
application and they have to resubmit um
so I'm just saying
that the some of the businesses that
you're referring to I don't I don't know
I have to look go back and look at
everything that's pending but if they
were to be denied uh if it's not
something that can be corrected in the
current application it could be after
the moreor takes effect and then they
would not be able okay so I would like
if we can just add the into the draft if
it cannot corrected then they
automatically U get denied then okay
then I okay yeah we I can share that um
that recort that we got from the M sure
okay Mr ble do you have a hand up
no yeah just to you final clarification
that this
moratorium is dealing with building
permits and certificates of occupancy
certificat of use and land land use
approvals limited to smoke shops Vape
shops and to Tobacco or VAP Vape
consumption businesses as the state has
as they have no Statewide regulation so
just to clarify that point this
moratorium is as you all brought out
it's just dealing with those areas and
that's what it's dealing with and then
we'll tweak it as far as end date tweak
it on the certific you know application
dates for for for people who put their
applications in and uh and we'll bring
it back to you okay are there more
questions Mr Williams yes I just had a
comment and I wanted to intentionally
say like with respect to the no
previously submitted applications I do
find myself in agreement with Miss uh
Patrick and Mr Toro and I think the
conversation of us even discussing a
moratorium highlights that we are no
longer able to effectively enforce this
so I think saying that you're going to
stop the uh opening of more uh uh vapor
smoke chops including the other areas
but then allowing some additionals to
work their way through the review
process I think we're we're we're
sending two different messages to the
community um even with the process of
the law office reviewing it and giving
us revisions that is additional time for
people to come into compliance so I just
urge anyone listening to heed that we
are discussing this and to take that
into consideration and hopefully those
individuals are talking to you but I
think ultimately is this going to affect
certain businesses absolutely but we're
not saying no forever it is just no for
the 90 days for us to review it if that
makes sense
so I just want to make sure that we're
clear that so because I'm like I'm a
little concerned and if we can if
there's Pro if there's people alreadying
process if we're on good legal standing
quite frankly to be able to do that when
they've gone to the process the last
thing we want to do is pass something
that brings us uh you know somebody
brings up a lawsuit they can't do this
because and all these reasons so I want
to make sure we're on good legal
standing I do have a concern that people
who are in the process not that I'm I'm
not uh advocating uh for this particular
type of business but I also want to make
sure that we are not targeting and and
and going against this type of business
specifically so God bless you so if
we're um if I so I have some concerns
that are people in the process that we
just shut them down like that because
they went into the process with the
understanding that you know you need to
do ABC so I just really want to be clear
that we're okay doing that when people
are already in the process extremely
important that we're doing that
Mr car I I I want to say I I share your
concern around that I think that um
listening to um what our community has
been telling us and what we can see you
know moving around our city ourselves
there's definitely we've seen an influx
of of these businesses um kind of
popping up and um a lot of them aren't
you know are not in compliance um but I
do uh I'm definitely not advocating um
based on you know this business based on
information that that that's been shared
with us um but I am also I'm a little
concerned about someone who entered the
process in good faith and is like
working towards um getting their uh
appropriate documents in order then
telling them
that no kind of stopping them in that
way so I just think that that's
something that we need
to think about yes Miss Patrick except I
think that we are trying to stop the
influx of these types of this is
specific to this type of business and I
think that we have been for months
talking about this and talking about the
health risks especially to our youth um
and so I I mean it's really a fine line
I get that um but at the same time I
think we've identified we've heard from
business owners we've heard from I mean
you know that it's you you can see you
can see just go to Upper Union Street as
an example and you can see that it's
affecting the businesses around the
other stores so I think we are
specifically targeting to your point we
are specifically targeting these stores
we are making a judgment call here that
these particular stores are
affecting um neighborhoods are affecting
business districts are affecting Health
um of residents um and so I do want to
say that yeah we are I mean that's what
this is so rather than thinking about
all of our businesses we are saying
smoke and vape shops here um we've had
numerous presentations by uh the Smoke
free New York people about about this
um I I think you know I hear what the
mayor's saying about a date but I mean
if we have to now wait two more
weeks to get we are going to have to
wait two more weeks to get this back now
um so when do we start yeah no I get
that I know what I'm just saying I mean
you know I mean when do we get to so the
previously submitted applications if
they're not open yet as stores
you know do we want them to open um you
know I'm kind of thinking we don't want
them to open um I hear what you're
saying I do um and believe me I remember
you know before I was on Council there
was discussion here because of some
liquor stores that were um on the Block
um you know at that at that time as well
um but so we are making a judgment right
but I want to make sure we're on good
legal standing I want to make sure that
there's not but I think yeah so we do
need that clarification about the
previous new submitted applications and
I do think that we should put June 1 for
example as an end date if that's the
date that we all agree on that's my
last Mr Farley no I I I just want to
kind of Echo and amen lot what you were
saying because I I I agree with the what
what our communities are telling us and
the information and presentations that
we have uh uh been having and you know a
lot of um good information so I agree
that these you know these are not not uh
type of businesses that we want um
popping up everywhere the way they are I
just think that there is a balance that
we have to be mindful of for any
business that's operating or is entering
into an agreement in good faith with the
city even if it's a business that we
don't necessarily um um personally
aren't fond of you know if someone is is
is entering in good in a good faith
effort thus far to kind of retroactively
say no I just you know it's one of those
things
that you know do you know if if it's the
right thing to do but do we have the
right to do it kind of thing you know
what I mean that's
right that's where we need the
recommendation to look at and see I'm
sorry I just have to say this that
because people have complained to me
that we're like talking over each other
so one voice thank you so um and that's
what I asked for look into that and get
back to us because um do we have the
legal capacity to kind of like shut them
off despite the fact that they submitted
six months ago y if we can do that
that's fine if we can then we need to
address them one by one and just you
know tell them exactly that they're not
they're not in compliance because of
documentation or they just need
to do you have something more Miss
Patrick
mayor okay Mr Toro did you have more
okay so Mr M I just wanted to to um I'm
sorry gentlemen you more William Mr
parley okay so what you're asking the
mayor to provide is no I'm not asking um
we'll be able can we get another update
on that spreadsheet to see where they
are in terms of any movement there could
be movement on that sheet so yes the
last can see and that hopefully there is
movement every day unfortunately there
are places that are opening every
day also so we we'll see the ones that
we have't filed where they are and if
they not not U making any good faith
effort to continue the process or not
filing the documents then they are those
are the ones that will have to
eventually
um put them out of business
unfortunately and so so mayor just a
question so we are um the ones that are
already open we we're having code
enforcement visit to see that they're in
compliance CU there is there are a lot
of them that there I think nobody can
disagree there are there a lot so code
enforcement is still doing
that okay and when you have that list if
you're out the neighborhoods and you see
something that's not on the list send
that in also some these good idea
entirely
bypass the
system that's a good
idea okay so
um is there any more discussion on that
okay so Mr uh O'Brien will'll see this
back in two weeks with the tweaks yes or
we'll see the tweaks before that right
we'll see the twe you'll see it
beforehand for your we'll we'll bring
this back to discuss it in two weeks all
right thank you very
much um so item number six is um
proceeding to uh recover possession of
real property I mean I'm sorry home rule
request and support of Bill number a
7556 s
7547 requiring a petition in a summary
proceeding to recover possession of real
property incity to allege proof of
compliance with local laws requiring
rental residential property registration
and licensure and mayor
McCarthy thank you madam president this
is something passed
before what this would do is require
anybody who is starting an eviction
proceeding they have to be compliant
with the rental
certificate so that if you haven't
gotten the rental certificate and you're
department is in non-compliance you
would not be able to evict somebody it's
unfortunate today we have what I believe
is a good policy in place we have a
large number of landlords who comply
with it there unfortunately are still a
significant number who don't comply with
it and those tend to be ones that there
may be other problems uh and people
sometimes are put in vulnerable
situations ations and this will get our
compliance rate up hopefully to a higher
level and also allow us to uh help
ensure that safe and decent housing is
made available in the city of skincity
across the board to everybody so um so
is there an online process for um for
people to be able to do
this we still do an inspection too so
yes you
can start the application but there's an
inspection process so and the reason
because when this was on the agenda so I
got a call from someone who lives out of
town so they have a person here that you
know takes care of their property so
they can do it online they have to do
rental there's to be an agent to and so
they have an agent right so they can do
it online but their agent needs to be
present here for um but we still have to
do an inspection of the property yes
right so their agent could could let you
and doesn't have to be the owner of the
property necessarily and we're looking
all the time to how you put more things
online make them more user
friendly okay thank you just wanted to
make sure we had an online
process uh so any further questions
regarding that yes Mr Williams I think
comment just to put some thought behind
it I think we had uh the department of
uh HUD came and did a presentation at
syum a few months ago and very much it's
how do you get this information to the
people that it affects um cuz I think
often times they're functioning without
this understanding and still being taken
advant vage of uh I agree and support
this moving forward um but just trying
to put some thought behind is there any
way we can just push this narrative to
the community either put it out in uh
local libraries or just some way to make
uh tenants and both landlords like fully
aware of this process so they have this
information ahead of having to start
this
process so is there a marketing
piece I'll do that with we don't have
one right now but yes more than will to
put something together and it's part of
the messaging we're looking at modifying
the trash collection rules other
things Michelle had put together a
summary really recently just the process
to open a business so that people kind
of know it but you know there's a simple
checklist that people can walk down
and do it with a level of comfort they
know what they have to do when they have
to do it to uh get to where they want to
be so
Mr Williams that yes an education
component is always key to making things
successful Mr will was your handle yes I
was saying um yeah we can we can reach
out to The Landlord Association and to
help them to to drive this to us because
this is a important piece of legislation
in terms of safety because I will tell
you that there are apartment there that
doesn't have inspection and people are
not living in the the safety standard
that it's supposed to be living in and
um it's a problem over there so this l
legislation and hope it passed the
assembly and can be enforced locally by
LS will bring all these um landlord into
compliance and make sure that they have
a safe and livable apartment for for
tenants out there and I think landlord
um should not feel that they're victim
of this it's protecting them also by
having a rental certificate in in code
enforcement and is filed there it give
them the legal uper hand on the legal
side to say that their apartment was um
you know legally um
compliance they were inspected pass and
a tenant is living there and now there
are some issues and concern it's a
different ball game so I think it's um
they will benefit more by having um a
rental certificates on filed for each
tenant that occupy those
apartments Mr BR yeah I was just going
to again kind of add on to that and just
say that I think that what we're doing
here this is a really really again
important piece of legislation and I
think that often times um some of our
most vulnerable uh uh population within
our city um are some some of the people
who are taking advantage of um and kind
of live in that substandard housing
situation so I think that you know one
of the byproducts of that is you know
safe housing but and and we also just
have to keep asking ourselves the right
questions around how do we make coming
into compliance um you know easy and
accessible for landlords because what we
want to do is
is is make it as user friendly as we can
to come to compliance so then if
somebody is not in compliance then we
kind of know you know we've done our
part so I just want to say I I support
this fully and hopefully this uh goes
through so I just did you Mr T just
agree Mr okay so are you asking for a
resolution or a um something in support
of this is home rule legislation okay so
you're asking for home rule or just a
resolution supportive you're ask for the
home but it's a home rule process so the
bills have been introduced this is one
we did before didn't quite go as smooth
as we would have liked so it's to redo
it again to actually get the legislation
enacted so you want The Home Room okay
so um I need a
motion Mr M your hand up or you no I was
just going to make a comment to say that
um when we're passing this home rule I
think there are two here that make sure
that we have all the mechanism in place
to make sure that we processes and file
for the state and I drop the ball on
them and I hope that the council and May
and his staff can work together so that
we have this file with a relevant um
agency in the
Aly so moved
second all those in favor
all item number seven is the ceremonial
resolution recognizing women's History
Month yes so March is women's History
Month this year um um and we've been
doing this for the last X number of
years uh the ceremonial resolution about
March this year um the theme for uh
women's history month is women who
advocate for Equity diversity and
inclusion um so I just would like to be
able to have a ceremonial resolution
recognizing March as women's history Mar
any discussion how second second second
all in favor I thank you right um there
is a couple other things I wanted to um
bring before before we go to Executive
session uh the first one is I'm
requesting the council to consider doing
a ceremonial resolution for uh James
Griffin he's an employee whose last day
will be the 28th and he's a 40-year
employee I want to publicly thank the um
staff person this their coworker in the
city who brought this to um my attention
that they felt that their employee their
um colleague deserved some recognition
after having it put in four decades with
the city of SKC uh which I I
wholeheartedly agree with so I would
just ask the council to consider um us
putting together a ceremonial resolution
for Mr
gin I'm the second all in
favor Mr M I will ask you are you still
interest yeah I I'd like to um to ask
for consideration to add a CR to
recognize U Metro Ford for vehicle
donation towards our Police Department
so use with our community um police um
officer program through our school
district so the see to recognize their
valuable contribution um to the what is
it Mustang M he the people who out there
have an opportunity to to visit it with
the mayor Mr Toro and that's a wonderful
guest you're from uh Metro for and a CR
would go a along way to recognize their
contribution towards our
city so move second all in favor I leave
out of that where council member Doro
was spinning the wheels no we can't I
can't say
that 0 to 60 fast Mr does it go from 0
to
60 the answer was
fast all right sry so move in second
where I set yes okay so then there's one
other last thing that I want to stress
that we came up at our meeting last
Thursday and we having discussions about
um the community benefits agreement we
got an email from the mayor that there
had already been one that was entered
into um so that was signed the same day
that we're having our discussions and um
I would just like to us to have the
opportunity because what I read there
are some things in there that were
discussed that um that weren't included
so I'd like to know if there's an
opportunity to revisit that and to add
those things and um I just have to
really ask we were having that
discussion but it was signed on the same
day so I just um I guess I'm a little
perplexed as to why that wasn't you know
if it was already signed that we were
having those discussions and it was
already it was already done so um that
that's my question
there given the authorization to enter
into a contract I've moved ahead with it
council's still looking at the aspects
of uh Community benefits agreement uh
Union develop ER County are open to
discussion on that there's things that
were Incorporated from the County's
aspects there's things that are
Incorporated from the city's aspects and
I look at it as a dynamic process but
want the project to move
ahead okay well go ahead no I was just
going to say that I know I'm this is
almost kind of a quote unquote kind of
good problem to have because this is as
a result of us moving forward with a
project that's going to benefit our city
um I just see this as more of a a a a a
starting point and I think that if both
parties or all parties involved seem to
be open um to um getting feedback from
the community and um more voices I think
that that's that that will benefit this
process and I think that as long as all
parties are seem really uh interested in
in having a meaningful Community
benefits package that this isn't you
know something that you know we we
couldn't amend along the way in fact I
think that we'd be well suited to do so
in order to be more responsive to the
community so I just second that that
this is something a good starting point
and we should kind of look at this as a
living document living process moving
forward and your hand
up
did I was going to but oh okay you do
you don't so um adding on um my inut I
think we're having a really candid
thoughtful conversation and I think for
myself it's understanding how a
community could submit to uh Community
benefits agreements so I think in your
comments you said that you'd be uh open
to having those merge and then I've
heard the comment of like Dynamic and
living so I hope that as a city we'd be
able to submit one document reflective
of the interest and needs for the
neighborhoods as again I think just
having multiple iterations just it seems
convoluted and almost in an aspect like
Waters Waters down the importance of
having
it well quite frankly you know we went
through a budget process where the
council pushed the budget back where it
was the latest budget we've ever had in
the history of the city there are three
items on the agenda tonight that should
have been enacted last year they're not
we got to go through another cycle uh
the other item with the uh sidewalk
again the council didn't that that in a
timely manner so I look forward to
working with you but I'm going to move
some things ahead maybe a manner that
you find uh less than desirable but I
got to manage the city I got to keep
moving projects so that they're actually
happening and we're getting results so
again I look forward to working with you
look at it's a dynamic process that
project is exciting other communities
would are envious that we're doing it
here and it's going to create
opportunities that we don't even think
of
today I I don't disagree with um that um
but I just think that communication is
important and if this process was
already you felt like you were being
delayed and taken too long that to to
have communicated that to the council
and that did not come forward and then
then we would know that the mayor feels
like we need to you know move more
quickly because based on what we did we
had a meeting we we we then um called
for our next meeting and everybody knew
when that was going to be so if it was
going to something happening before just
communication to the council and um I
know that you pointed out like all these
things didn't happen so all this does
not rest with the counc I have to say
that some of that rests with the staff
but we're not here to we we as a council
said that we're going to work together
collectively and along with you and
that's what we really want to do but you
know communication to us I'm certainly
my phone is the same it's you know you
can get emails just that we communicate
so that we really are working together
as working together works and that's you
know that's the saying that's being put
out there so that's all I'm asking for
is that we just have that information
communicated to us so we can act
accordingly and again I will say that we
talk about the past but no one's perfect
at this table so um we have made a a
very firm commitment about moving
forward and I think that's what we
should do and not necessarily just
scratch the RS and scabs of the
past Mr is your pen up yeah yeah well
sure sure yeah thank you so I just I I
just would uh um kind of highlight the
fact that this is not an opportunity
that has uh fled us at all I think that
this is um you know again we still have
opportunity to um bring you know um any
of the suggestions that have been
discussed at the table of the council um
I think that uh all the parties involved
seem to be um pretty intentional about
wanting a a robust Community benefits
package so again as we have amended
other documents to better suit and
practices to better suit the Deeds of
the community I would say that this is
that this is no different and if we
focus on kind of looking forward to this
you know how do we just you know make
sure we we getting some of the things
that um you know that the the the
existing benefits agreement didn't um
include um things like you know uh
vendor opportunities for mwbe um you
know there's a you know what the
existing package covered a lot of good
things and was really aligned with some
of the conversations that I've heard so
I think it's good but I think that we
definitely um need to just makeing sure
that the process is a more inclusive one
moving
forward and with the also inclusive of
the community because that it's called
the community benefits agreement so I
think that we also need to hear a little
bit more Community voice as we move
forward and not all everything just come
from this table I mean I did mention
that my the comments that I brought
forward were at a community meeting I
was I was at but that wasn't called
specifically for that purpose but I did
it because I was there in the community
was present so I think that if we um by
VAR its veryy nature Community benefits
agreement need to include some some
input from input from the community it
just makes sense I appreciate you
bringing forward about the mwbe and also
local hire as we're doing all these
projects then you know to have make sure
that uh the people who are who live here
uh locally are able to benefit from some
of the job opportunities that will come
forward from the construction it's going
to be a very major $50 million
construction project so to see some of
make sure that money um circulates
within the within the city I'm just
going to be real specific within the
city um I think is is really important
and something that we want to make sure
that we move forward just one more
really quick thing I just want to again
just talk about the fact that you know
we seem like we're we're in a really
good place with this project and the and
the the the developer you again
obviously Us in the city everyone sees
why a a community benefits package is an
important thing and I think that you
know we I anticipate
uh a pretty smooth process um raising
more ways that this can benefit our
community I think that's the whole
that's been the spirit of this entire
project so I just want to highlight that
again Mr M yeah I just want to add to
that I mean um I what I would like to
suggest is that um we should based on
the discussion that we had the last
meeting we should move forward with we
um a draft of the community benefit
agreement that we had discussed and
pretty much lay on the table and to look
forward and see if we can able to amend
it and resubmit it into that package
that was already submitted so can I work
on a draft get a draft on discuss it
that was agreed on and let's see if we
can um amend that version it'll be good
I mean look all of us support this
project and I think it's good that um we
had a a good discussion in terms of
community benefit agreement even the
developer agreed with us to yes he is in
favor of that so it would part that we
kind of like put that together I yes
time of the Ence it may assign it and
submit it but then you know we can
always revisit it and kind of submit
something that is an agreement with us
and also in agreement with the developer
and I did mention that once we have the
draft we then send it to them give them
an opportunity for them to review it
come back with any changes and we move
forward with the um discussion and
things like that with regards to the the
sidewalk I mean that was another site it
was done last year many of us don't
can't even recall that side what project
was done so there was a council member
and me and his staff went ahead and did
the the Calk program some of us were not
even aware that it was ongoing yes I was
initially involved in it at the
beginning but I was totally sideline so
you know and that was the reason why for
the Central Central Park Way sidewalk
I'm working with the mayor and his staff
to make sure that we put every steps in
place to make sure that we have the
documentation the public hearing was
called we have the documentation The
Mailing and everything is going to be
put in place to make sure that we do not
go back what happened there should not
have happened and but we as a council
we're not we should not be taking blame
for that
right so um we're hearing what I'm
hearing is that we'll get more
information to the mayor and I would
also suggest because um when Mr um
Williams was talking he talking about
different groups so maybe if we reach
out to Sun because we need to expedite
the process so we reach out to Sun and
say you know the and then Sun reaches
out to the neighborhoods so that we're
not trying to um do this on short you
know like drag out the process this
Patrick well I hear what you all are
saying um I think that I wish that
I mean but this is now an executed an
executed agreement so the work is going
to start or has started I should say I
think um I think that most of what we
talked
about when I did read the community
benefits agreement that we received from
the mayor's office is included in that
agreement there were a couple of things
that um I hear what you're saying about
mwbe I mean I'm not really sure to what
extent that I mean isn't that already
like something that's already on the
books in terms of mwb but I mean one of
the things that um was mentioned was the
internships just as one example of
something that isn't in the existing
signed Community benefits agreement
which is already out there um but I
think that you
know that would be a great suggestion I
don't think that we need to redraft
another Community benefits agreement I
guess is what I'm saying I think that
having interns or you know some of these
other things that we talk about are just
good suggestions and I think we'd have
to put some faith into the developer
around around some of that we wouldn't
even know I mean if there was
internships for example we have to work
with the school district to make sure
that you know is it going to be students
from the school district or is it going
to be students from seccc I mean I don't
those are kinds of things that I say we
leave in the hands of the developer um
with just the understanding that those
are things that we hope will
happen uh M fr
May so I I think U again I think we um
gave the mayor permission to act and he
acted and I and I and I can appreciate
that and I think that um we all are
excited and anxious to get this project
under way I was just caution us like I
mean this isn't something where we want
to like fight for our limitations for I
mean if we have a a a working and
willing partner who has expressed um
that that they um uh Community benefits
PES something that they value um and if
they if they Mor it if the community can
benefit more and we can make it official
I mean the the developers uh agrees and
I mean it's almost like you know why not
do that you know what I mean if uh uh so
I I I I do have faith um in the
intentions of the developer I mean deep
I was pretty impressed with his you know
saying like hey just come up with
something if it doesn't work you know I
I would say that he might even kind of
raise the threshold accountability to a
level that we weren't so I I am pretty
um uh I have a lot of faith there but I
think that as a how we operate here is
if we have a ready and willing partner
to say you know what I can do that and
that makes sense why not at it you know
what I mean I don't think that holds up
the pro the progress of the project any
um so I think that
that Mr M no I was going to Echo some
something similar to Mr Farley is that
um the developers we I mean some of the
things he did mention and give us ideas
to put in so the benefit agreement which
you know came words that came from
suggestion that came from him so I I
think it would it would hurt it will go
along way it will build more trust that
U we discussed it we were told by the
developer XYZ we should enact it and uh
you know put it into the agreement and
you know work along that line we can't
just uh you know just say we have it for
discussion we are back against um the
timing of it yes if the timing is of the
essence and the contract um needs to get
signed and and deliver to move on it
doesn't stop us from revisit um the
benefit agreement and put these things
in place it will go a long way it will
go a long way in terms of building trust
for the community and building trust for
this developer going forward and all
developers Mr Toro um I I thought that
we were going to have uh some type of
draft this evening um from the last uh
someone was going to put things together
what was set around the table so um I
don't see anything presented but um I do
know with the I I don't have the uh
agreement here in front of me that the
mayor put out there was some I think it
it it emulated a lot of of what you put
forward of what the community wanted um
unfortunately you know there wasn't
anything there about you know seats at
the table um which I'm personally am not
in agreement of but um since it's a
going to be a privately run company but
again I don't think whatever we bring
forward I don't know if that all of us
will agree on it anyway and we're just
going to take time uh and the the the uh
the agreements out there and and
honestly I was pleased with with How It
Was Written and and what it did for our
community so so let me address something
that you stated about there not being
anything here well we had a meeting on
Thursday and then in our Friday email we
got it so to me there was no purpose of
bringing here we need to have this
discussion disc is is in terms of
whether we going to move forward there
was already an agreement I didn't know
prior to this discussion that the mayor
would still be open to doing that so
that's why there's no draft here because
we already got it in our email so I just
want to make that 100% clear that it's
not that we're dragging our feet we
already got something that was we didn't
want even aware that that existed so um
that's why there there is no draft and
now that we are clear that the mayor
said it's a dynamic process and he's
willing it open to that and developers
as well then we can move forward with
that but I didn't want to bring
something just for us to when there was
let didn't know there was a window of
opportunity so now we know there's a
window of
opportunity Mr M if I may suggest that
we should go back to the notes from the
last meeting and absolutely create a
draft we can do that and we can email it
to the counil then give the opportunity
to the developer and the mayor to view
it and then we can bring it to the
council say some the feedback we reive
from the
developer that and I and I short u
information purposes there is another
community meeting that's going on
Thursday and um you know I'll just kind
of discuss it if people have ideas you
know I'll I'll throw them in there and
they don't have to be good I mean they
don't have to be good they don't
necessarily have to be approved but we
will have at least heard some level of
community voice because I think
Community benefits agreement deserves to
have voices from the community so mayor
you said so you're open to us putting
something forward that we can have
consideration okay perfect so can can we
attach a timeline to that can we get
this Draft before the week is out yes we
can have the draft by I'll say Friday
how's that today Tuesday yeah yes oh
that's right holiday not a Monday so so
um any if anyone there is anything that
you mention at the meeting that you want
include it please just um email it um I
think everything's if you don't we'll
email it to miss m and that way she has
it in one it'll be in one place so that
we're not emailing all around to each
other and then Miku can then follow
everything to all members of the
council I know that we put a lot for all
our things so thank you for the work
that you do Mr
Miku is there any further discussion on
that okay once again I would to I I need
to
um recess City development plan and
claims so that uh City development
planning so that Claims can be
called motion to recess second all those
in favor
okay so I'd like to open up claims go
into executive section because
it's she'll open then she'll vot exec
session oh sorry oh
good it's not me Carl I'm sorry it's
Carl sorry about that Carl so I'd like
to call to the claims committee we have
one item on the agenda which we be
taking executive session may have a
motion to any executive session
all in
favor we're exec session and so the
public will have to leave
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