1 00:00:01,250 --> 00:00:56,600 [Music] 2 00:00:56,600 --> 00:00:58,340 he 3 00:00:58,340 --> 00:01:19,320 [Music] 4 00:01:19,320 --> 00:01:21,200 I'd like to all call for connect the 5 00:01:21,200 --> 00:01:23,040 city council committee meeting for 6 00:01:23,040 --> 00:01:26,439 Monday April 15 2024 um the first item 7 00:01:26,439 --> 00:01:28,040 on the agenda was to be an update on 8 00:01:28,040 --> 00:01:30,119 first quarter financials uh 9 00:01:30,119 --> 00:01:32,200 unfortunately Mr gamma could not be here 10 00:01:32,200 --> 00:01:35,000 tonight however each of you should have 11 00:01:35,000 --> 00:01:36,880 received a print out of all the U 12 00:01:36,880 --> 00:01:39,360 financials for the first quarter so this 13 00:01:39,360 --> 00:01:41,600 will give you an opportunity to um 14 00:01:41,600 --> 00:01:43,320 review them and if you have any 15 00:01:43,320 --> 00:01:45,479 questions um formulate those and send 16 00:01:45,479 --> 00:01:47,479 those forward through Miss Michael who 17 00:01:47,479 --> 00:01:50,000 will then forward them on and then um in 18 00:01:50,000 --> 00:01:51,719 the beginning of may we will have him 19 00:01:51,719 --> 00:01:53,479 actually come and just go through it 20 00:01:53,479 --> 00:01:56,039 with us with us and additionally I just 21 00:01:56,039 --> 00:01:57,680 want to thank everyone that came last 22 00:01:57,680 --> 00:02:00,399 week to come to the nikom webinar on 23 00:02:00,399 --> 00:02:02,119 funding your government and I think it's 24 00:02:02,119 --> 00:02:04,640 going to be helpful to us as we um go 25 00:02:04,640 --> 00:02:07,119 through this and you know quarterly to 26 00:02:07,119 --> 00:02:08,520 make sure that when we get to the budget 27 00:02:08,520 --> 00:02:10,479 season again it's a much smoother 28 00:02:10,479 --> 00:02:14,200 process in 2024 That's My Hope um the 29 00:02:14,200 --> 00:02:16,200 next uh item would be the waste 30 00:02:16,200 --> 00:02:18,280 committee presentation uh I'll turn that 31 00:02:18,280 --> 00:02:20,879 over to Mayor McCarthy thanks Madam 32 00:02:20,879 --> 00:02:24,640 president uh thank city clerk I made 33 00:02:24,640 --> 00:02:26,280 copies of the 34 00:02:26,280 --> 00:02:31,440 uh local law dealing with 35 00:02:31,440 --> 00:02:35,840 waste uh posties for city council I 36 00:02:35,840 --> 00:02:37,120 think we have those in our package I 37 00:02:37,120 --> 00:02:38,400 think that one's yeah we have that we 38 00:02:38,400 --> 00:02:39,480 put that one they put that one our 39 00:02:39,480 --> 00:02:48,430 packet yeah 40 00:02:48,440 --> 00:02:51,400 okay two different ones it's no it's an 41 00:02:51,400 --> 00:02:54,360 EXT one oh okay that's a uh just a 42 00:02:54,360 --> 00:02:56,599 working draft of some of the possible 43 00:02:56,599 --> 00:02:59,120 amendments and this is a quick summary 44 00:02:59,120 --> 00:03:07,990 sheet 45 00:03:08,000 --> 00:03:08,980 the council 46 00:03:08,980 --> 00:03:19,750 [Music] 47 00:03:19,760 --> 00:03:23,480 members we went through the uh budget 48 00:03:23,480 --> 00:03:27,599 process uh which was uh not quite as 49 00:03:27,599 --> 00:03:30,480 smooth as any of us would have liked uh 50 00:03:30,480 --> 00:03:32,360 one of those points of 51 00:03:32,360 --> 00:03:37,879 contention was trash Fe we have really 52 00:03:37,879 --> 00:03:41,400 within the city is connectivity a great 53 00:03:41,400 --> 00:03:45,000 service that we provide for the 54 00:03:45,000 --> 00:03:50,120 residents that has evolved over time uh 55 00:03:50,120 --> 00:03:53,360 from uh was the last big waste 56 00:03:53,360 --> 00:03:58,159 controversy was uh in the 70s when uh 57 00:03:58,159 --> 00:04:00,760 the service of the city was the garbage 58 00:04:00,760 --> 00:04:03,360 men would go into the back of your house 59 00:04:03,360 --> 00:04:05,239 pick up the garbage bring it out to the 60 00:04:05,239 --> 00:04:08,439 curb empty it and then return the can to 61 00:04:08,439 --> 00:04:11,159 the rear of your property or wherever 62 00:04:11,159 --> 00:04:13,959 you stored it and to increase the 63 00:04:13,959 --> 00:04:16,880 efficiency they ended the carry back 64 00:04:16,880 --> 00:04:20,320 service which uh created 65 00:04:20,320 --> 00:04:23,919 again considerable public uh debate and 66 00:04:23,919 --> 00:04:27,600 uh discussion uh we somehow got through 67 00:04:27,600 --> 00:04:30,560 that and continued to go forward 68 00:04:30,560 --> 00:04:34,919 but if you look at the city code 69 00:04:34,919 --> 00:04:37,680 today it really doesn't reflect the 70 00:04:37,680 --> 00:04:41,000 reality within the market so and they 71 00:04:41,000 --> 00:04:43,600 talk about and Paul fund is here also 72 00:04:43,600 --> 00:04:46,639 they had some additives to my narrative 73 00:04:46,639 --> 00:04:49,479 there are things in terms of uh criteria 74 00:04:49,479 --> 00:04:52,000 that's supposed to be at the curb 75 00:04:52,000 --> 00:04:54,840 supposed to be clear bags supposed to be 76 00:04:54,840 --> 00:04:58,000 certain criteria for material that is 77 00:04:58,000 --> 00:05:00,800 put out there and 78 00:05:00,800 --> 00:05:03,639 the reality in the market uh in the 79 00:05:03,639 --> 00:05:06,880 field does not reflect what's in the 80 00:05:06,880 --> 00:05:11,199 code so where part of this has been the 81 00:05:11,199 --> 00:05:14,800 discussion on the fee structure we have 82 00:05:14,800 --> 00:05:18,960 to look fundamentally at what the uh law 83 00:05:18,960 --> 00:05:22,680 says and what the criteria for garbage 84 00:05:22,680 --> 00:05:24,639 collection is and there's some state 85 00:05:24,639 --> 00:05:26,520 regulations that are coming out now that 86 00:05:26,520 --> 00:05:34,560 are being updated from DEC in terms of the criteria that uh we use for 87 00:05:34,560 --> 00:05:36,880 garbage collection one of the items is 88 00:05:36,880 --> 00:05:39,840 electronic based that we're not supposed 89 00:05:39,840 --> 00:05:42,360 to pick that up anymore so if that has 90 00:05:42,360 --> 00:05:46,360 to uh be handled in a separate 91 00:05:46,360 --> 00:05:48,560 uh 92 00:05:48,560 --> 00:05:52,880 process but in our discussions that uh 93 00:05:52,880 --> 00:05:56,240 council president sent there uh council 94 00:05:56,240 --> 00:05:57,400 members of 95 00:05:57,400 --> 00:06:00,880 Toro uh one of the things things talk 96 00:06:00,880 --> 00:06:04,120 about consistently is that we have to do 97 00:06:04,120 --> 00:06:07,400 part of this as an education campaign so 98 00:06:07,400 --> 00:06:10,319 it's to tell people what the service is 99 00:06:10,319 --> 00:06:15,120 but to make them aware of some of the 100 00:06:15,120 --> 00:06:17,280 cost some of the efficiencies some of 101 00:06:17,280 --> 00:06:19,759 the inefficiencies and how do you 102 00:06:19,759 --> 00:06:21,720 improve the 103 00:06:21,720 --> 00:06:24,240 overall delivery of service and 104 00:06:24,240 --> 00:06:26,680 hopefully reduce the cost and we have 105 00:06:26,680 --> 00:06:29,199 the peripheral image of the city which 106 00:06:29,199 --> 00:06:32,960 is litter where it's out there it's far 107 00:06:32,960 --> 00:06:36,599 too prevalent and how do we uh get 108 00:06:36,599 --> 00:06:40,039 people to assume some responsibility to 109 00:06:40,039 --> 00:06:42,919 take care of their own uh property their 110 00:06:42,919 --> 00:06:45,280 own building help out a little bit on 111 00:06:45,280 --> 00:06:47,599 their block because everybody doing a 112 00:06:47,599 --> 00:06:51,919 little bit makes a big difference and uh 113 00:06:51,919 --> 00:06:54,479 about a decade ago we had started a 114 00:06:54,479 --> 00:06:58,400 campaign here begins with me it starts 115 00:06:58,400 --> 00:07:01,840 with me and I believe that that is still 116 00:07:01,840 --> 00:07:04,520 the basis for something that we could do 117 00:07:04,520 --> 00:07:06,479 where we ask people to help out a little 118 00:07:06,479 --> 00:07:10,280 bit uh we did a video which is available 119 00:07:10,280 --> 00:07:13,560 where you take the it starts with me the 120 00:07:13,560 --> 00:07:16,759 M you flip it over and as opposed to me 121 00:07:16,759 --> 00:07:20,599 it becomes we so that uh it's a 122 00:07:20,599 --> 00:07:21,840 community 123 00:07:21,840 --> 00:07:25,440 involvement but if you look at the uh 124 00:07:25,440 --> 00:07:28,759 education campaign as an ongoing effort 125 00:07:28,759 --> 00:07:31,440 uh something we have to map out ask for 126 00:07:31,440 --> 00:07:33,560 everybody's support and it really goes 127 00:07:33,560 --> 00:07:35,960 beyond what we can do just from city 128 00:07:35,960 --> 00:07:38,520 employees it has to be broad-based 129 00:07:38,520 --> 00:07:40,639 Community engagement that makes sense 130 00:07:40,639 --> 00:07:44,790 that people buy 131 00:07:44,800 --> 00:07:49,639 into the next component is are the 132 00:07:49,639 --> 00:07:54,319 penalties today waste violation uh is a 133 00:07:54,319 --> 00:07:57,759 the waste penalty is a violation I'm 134 00:07:57,759 --> 00:08:00,720 going to ask the council 135 00:08:00,720 --> 00:08:02,840 in this process and determine what the 136 00:08:02,840 --> 00:08:06,599 timing is is to change that where the 137 00:08:06,599 --> 00:08:08,560 current one for garbage that's generated 138 00:08:08,560 --> 00:08:11,919 outside the city is brought in here is 139 00:08:11,919 --> 00:08:14,159 treated only as a violation that that be 140 00:08:14,159 --> 00:08:17,319 moved to an unclassified misdemeanor so 141 00:08:17,319 --> 00:08:19,599 that the penalty the fine structure is 142 00:08:19,599 --> 00:08:21,360 stronger and that we're sending a 143 00:08:21,360 --> 00:08:22,919 message that we're going to take that 144 00:08:22,919 --> 00:08:26,080 seriously in terms of holding people 145 00:08:26,080 --> 00:08:28,159 accountable and creating a level of 146 00:08:28,159 --> 00:08:31,360 deterrence so that we're not having 147 00:08:31,360 --> 00:08:33,800 people take advantage of the resources 148 00:08:33,800 --> 00:08:36,719 within the city where they're not 149 00:08:36,719 --> 00:08:41,120 contributing to reducing the 150 00:08:41,120 --> 00:08:42,959 cost 151 00:08:42,959 --> 00:08:47,120 uh tell the council have to look at and 152 00:08:47,120 --> 00:08:50,080 decide our collection containers and 153 00:08:50,080 --> 00:08:52,959 we've had a lot of discussionin the 154 00:08:52,959 --> 00:08:57,120 committee uh the simpler thing is the 155 00:08:57,120 --> 00:09:00,760 old tin garbage can that everybody had 156 00:09:00,760 --> 00:09:02,600 uh that you put it out it was kind of a 157 00:09:02,600 --> 00:09:06,079 standard size now there's a wide variety 158 00:09:06,079 --> 00:09:08,600 of items that are available on the 159 00:09:08,600 --> 00:09:11,079 market where you can I think still get 160 00:09:11,079 --> 00:09:13,600 some of the old fashioned aluminum 161 00:09:13,600 --> 00:09:16,040 garbage cans but most of them are 162 00:09:16,040 --> 00:09:19,399 plastic uh they have removable tops they 163 00:09:19,399 --> 00:09:21,800 have tops that are hinged some that are 164 00:09:21,800 --> 00:09:24,240 rectangle some that are 165 00:09:24,240 --> 00:09:25,760 circular 166 00:09:25,760 --> 00:09:28,200 uh what are we going to set as a 167 00:09:28,200 --> 00:09:30,480 standard 168 00:09:30,480 --> 00:09:34,120 for people so that they know what uh is 169 00:09:34,120 --> 00:09:36,600 acceptable here and fits in the overall 170 00:09:36,600 --> 00:09:40,600 plan for uh waste collection and 171 00:09:40,600 --> 00:09:44,200 Disposal and it's both for we call 172 00:09:44,200 --> 00:09:48,519 garbage for the MSW the municipal Solid 173 00:09:48,519 --> 00:09:50,800 Waste uh and 174 00:09:50,800 --> 00:09:54,720 recyclables and uh we're all aware that 175 00:09:54,720 --> 00:09:58,200 uh wasn't that long ago recyclables we 176 00:09:58,200 --> 00:09:59,839 made a little bit of money 177 00:09:59,839 --> 00:10:01,600 or they cost us a little bit of money 178 00:10:01,600 --> 00:10:05,560 but we basically broke even today the 179 00:10:05,560 --> 00:10:12,399 recyclables are about $9 a ton more than 180 00:10:12,399 --> 00:10:15,959 MSW uh and it's something where the 181 00:10:15,959 --> 00:10:18,920 market can shift dramatically in that as 182 00:10:18,920 --> 00:10:21,480 technology improves or the value of some 183 00:10:21,480 --> 00:10:22,880 of the products 184 00:10:22,880 --> 00:10:27,360 shifts uh but we have to be uh aware of 185 00:10:27,360 --> 00:10:30,240 those scenarios and how do we plan 186 00:10:30,240 --> 00:10:31,920 and be able to deal with what's 187 00:10:31,920 --> 00:10:34,200 happening today in the market then also 188 00:10:34,200 --> 00:10:36,880 build enough flexibility in our 189 00:10:36,880 --> 00:10:39,800 collection process in fee structure to 190 00:10:39,800 --> 00:10:42,519 take advantage of shifts in the market 191 00:10:42,519 --> 00:10:46,320 uh down the road uh UNL here you know we 192 00:10:46,320 --> 00:10:49,680 can do the cans bags different scenarios 193 00:10:49,680 --> 00:10:51,519 that we have to look at come up with a 194 00:10:51,519 --> 00:10:54,560 scenario that everybody would agree to 195 00:10:54,560 --> 00:10:57,639 but the uh collection of the actual 196 00:10:57,639 --> 00:11:02,040 material the MS W is the general term 197 00:11:02,040 --> 00:11:05,440 for municipal Solid Waste other major 198 00:11:05,440 --> 00:11:08,880 components that we have to uh talk about 199 00:11:08,880 --> 00:11:10,959 and decide how we're going to deal with 200 00:11:10,959 --> 00:11:13,639 are the yard waste the recyclables which 201 00:11:13,639 --> 00:11:15,880 we used to refer to as tin plastic and 202 00:11:15,880 --> 00:11:19,000 glass and then paper and 203 00:11:19,000 --> 00:11:22,480 those again some of the Metal Products 204 00:11:22,480 --> 00:11:25,560 are actually increasing in value now we 205 00:11:25,560 --> 00:11:28,760 had a little discussion uh last year 206 00:11:28,760 --> 00:11:30,040 with the 207 00:11:30,040 --> 00:11:32,040 uh white 208 00:11:32,040 --> 00:11:35,880 goods coming on the uh schedule now we 209 00:11:35,880 --> 00:11:38,160 only pick them up one day a month we're 210 00:11:38,160 --> 00:11:41,519 still virtually not picking any of those 211 00:11:41,519 --> 00:11:45,600 up because the value in the market is 212 00:11:45,600 --> 00:11:48,120 gone so that Scrappers pick them up 213 00:11:48,120 --> 00:11:51,240 other people take it and uh we used to 214 00:11:51,240 --> 00:11:54,600 have that with uh paper when we did the 215 00:11:54,600 --> 00:11:56,839 source separation when the price of 216 00:11:56,839 --> 00:11:59,519 paper was up people would put their 217 00:11:59,519 --> 00:12:02,160 paper out and Crews would go around to 218 00:12:02,160 --> 00:12:04,440 pick it up and the containers are empty 219 00:12:04,440 --> 00:12:06,160 they go what's the empty container doing 220 00:12:06,160 --> 00:12:09,200 out the curve well it's people went 221 00:12:09,200 --> 00:12:11,440 around picked it 222 00:12:11,440 --> 00:12:14,240 up uh and then the other side of it is 223 00:12:14,240 --> 00:12:14,959 the 224 00:12:14,959 --> 00:12:17,720 electronics which can be uh very 225 00:12:17,720 --> 00:12:19,199 expensive 226 00:12:19,199 --> 00:12:24,560 to uh dispose of uh they can be hard to 227 00:12:24,560 --> 00:12:27,680 recycle there are value in a lot of 228 00:12:27,680 --> 00:12:30,360 these in terms of component parts and 229 00:12:30,360 --> 00:12:32,440 some of the uh Market is Shifting in 230 00:12:32,440 --> 00:12:36,360 that for uh we're getting rid of those 231 00:12:36,360 --> 00:12:39,760 Paul now it's a pretty much a break even 232 00:12:39,760 --> 00:12:42,279 Point yes we lose a little bit in terms 233 00:12:42,279 --> 00:12:44,240 of uh where we used to have to pay for 234 00:12:44,240 --> 00:12:46,959 that the market has shifted so that 235 00:12:46,959 --> 00:12:49,880 again it's more of a break even uh I say 236 00:12:49,880 --> 00:12:51,720 break even it's not costing his money 237 00:12:51,720 --> 00:12:57,199 but we have to have the staff uh compile 238 00:12:57,199 --> 00:12:59,600 all the stuff shrink wrap it put on a 239 00:12:59,600 --> 00:13:03,079 pallet so there's a a labor Factor there 240 00:13:03,079 --> 00:13:06,750 that uh we shouldn't 241 00:13:06,760 --> 00:13:10,720 Overlook and then it's coming up with a 242 00:13:10,720 --> 00:13:14,959 uh process that people can understand 243 00:13:14,959 --> 00:13:17,680 and feel comfortable with in a fee 244 00:13:17,680 --> 00:13:21,040 structure currently we're 245 00:13:21,040 --> 00:13:24,600 $288 a pickup Point uh there are some 246 00:13:24,600 --> 00:13:28,959 discounts in that for uh individuals who 247 00:13:28,959 --> 00:13:30,320 uh 248 00:13:30,320 --> 00:13:33,240 handicap veterans 249 00:13:33,240 --> 00:13:37,560 seniors uh we have to look at a base fee 250 00:13:37,560 --> 00:13:40,959 with additional fees based on quantity 251 00:13:40,959 --> 00:13:43,959 and volume and so discussion where 252 00:13:43,959 --> 00:13:47,160 everybody agrees the what the staff 253 00:13:47,160 --> 00:13:49,000 refer to in a slanging manner is the 254 00:13:49,000 --> 00:13:51,519 jackpots where you pull up in front of a 255 00:13:51,519 --> 00:13:55,440 house and there's 2 and 1/2 tons of 256 00:13:55,440 --> 00:14:01,110 material there we all know that that is 257 00:14:01,120 --> 00:14:03,040 wrong in terms of the fee 258 00:14:03,040 --> 00:14:05,360 structure how do we separate that and 259 00:14:05,360 --> 00:14:17,230 where do we draw the lines uh for it the 260 00:14:17,240 --> 00:14:20,079 uh you have to go back to the size of 261 00:14:20,079 --> 00:14:23,600 the containers and so if we have certain 262 00:14:23,600 --> 00:14:25,120 amount is there and if you're putting 263 00:14:25,120 --> 00:14:28,480 out extra material what is it do we give 264 00:14:28,480 --> 00:14:29,560 people 265 00:14:29,560 --> 00:14:32,079 uh thing been talked about is this 266 00:14:32,079 --> 00:14:34,519 certain amount of stickers so they're 267 00:14:34,519 --> 00:14:36,440 mailing out with the tax biller once a 268 00:14:36,440 --> 00:14:39,079 year there would be stickers that would 269 00:14:39,079 --> 00:14:42,240 be given to homeowners so if you had an 270 00:14:42,240 --> 00:14:45,120 additional item that wouldn't fit in the 271 00:14:45,120 --> 00:14:48,160 can uh wouldn't go in a bag you could 272 00:14:48,160 --> 00:14:50,519 put one of the stickers on it if you use 273 00:14:50,519 --> 00:14:53,399 those stickers up then you would have to 274 00:14:53,399 --> 00:14:56,480 buy them either here at City Hall or we 275 00:14:56,480 --> 00:14:58,639 work a an arrangement with some local 276 00:14:58,639 --> 00:14:59,560 real EST 277 00:14:59,560 --> 00:15:02,399 retailers and whether that would be $5 278 00:15:02,399 --> 00:15:05,360 for a sticker uh $10 for a sticker 279 00:15:05,360 --> 00:15:09,040 depending on the size and quantity of uh 280 00:15:09,040 --> 00:15:10,839 the material or item that's being 281 00:15:10,839 --> 00:15:16,040 disposed of uh and so there's a number 282 00:15:16,040 --> 00:15:17,920 of variables that are going to have to 283 00:15:17,920 --> 00:15:21,759 come back to the council for uh final 284 00:15:21,759 --> 00:15:25,639 decision uh one asking for is to change 285 00:15:25,639 --> 00:15:26,639 the 286 00:15:26,639 --> 00:15:29,360 penalties uh as we go through this is to 287 00:15:29,360 --> 00:15:30,920 look at 288 00:15:30,920 --> 00:15:33,959 the size and type of 289 00:15:33,959 --> 00:15:36,959 containers and then we look at the fee 290 00:15:36,959 --> 00:15:40,199 structure which is you know the simpler 291 00:15:40,199 --> 00:15:41,720 thing is okay we just raised the base 292 00:15:41,720 --> 00:15:45,079 fee be done with it you want to build 293 00:15:45,079 --> 00:15:47,040 some discounts in it for people who are 294 00:15:47,040 --> 00:15:49,480 more compliant and then do we do a 295 00:15:49,480 --> 00:15:52,000 sticker system do we do some other 296 00:15:52,000 --> 00:15:55,480 method to uh appropriately allocate the 297 00:15:55,480 --> 00:15:58,639 cost to uh individual or property owners 298 00:15:58,639 --> 00:16:01,199 that are driving our 299 00:16:01,199 --> 00:16:04,959 cost and there uh number of variables 300 00:16:04,959 --> 00:16:06,399 there and 301 00:16:06,399 --> 00:16:08,839 so don't want to talk too long open up 302 00:16:08,839 --> 00:16:11,120 for any discussion or comments that Mr 303 00:16:11,120 --> 00:16:12,360 lefant 304 00:16:12,360 --> 00:16:15,639 has that we uh move through this now in 305 00:16:15,639 --> 00:16:17,639 a process so that hopefully this will 306 00:16:17,639 --> 00:16:19,720 also start some public discussion where 307 00:16:19,720 --> 00:16:23,240 we've had uh primarily internal meetings 308 00:16:23,240 --> 00:16:26,160 looking at this there's been some public 309 00:16:26,160 --> 00:16:29,199 narrative but to look at it and again 310 00:16:29,199 --> 00:16:31,000 build on a 311 00:16:31,000 --> 00:16:35,800 uh collection system that again is still 312 00:16:35,800 --> 00:16:39,040 highly efficient delivers a great 313 00:16:39,040 --> 00:16:42,079 service to the city of SKC but to do it 314 00:16:42,079 --> 00:16:44,759 in a manner that covers our costs and 315 00:16:44,759 --> 00:16:48,040 enables us to go forward in a manner not 316 00:16:48,040 --> 00:16:49,279 only picking up the garbage but 317 00:16:49,279 --> 00:16:52,279 hopefully message for General litter and 318 00:16:52,279 --> 00:16:54,399 image control or Improvement throughout 319 00:16:54,399 --> 00:16:56,240 the city as a 320 00:16:56,240 --> 00:17:00,000 whole with that I would open up to 321 00:17:00,000 --> 00:17:03,160 questions or comments and any questions 322 00:17:03,160 --> 00:17:06,600 any so the current practice residents 323 00:17:06,600 --> 00:17:11,640 have their um garbage cans and right now 324 00:17:11,640 --> 00:17:15,679 they can bring c a couch all place of 325 00:17:15,679 --> 00:17:17,959 yep and just put it on the out on 326 00:17:17,959 --> 00:17:20,160 garbage day and it'll be picked up so 327 00:17:20,160 --> 00:17:22,559 your suggestion we change that practice 328 00:17:22,559 --> 00:17:24,360 correct that and manage that in a 329 00:17:24,360 --> 00:17:26,919 different way that people will pay for 330 00:17:26,919 --> 00:17:28,919 those larger items or get it like a 331 00:17:28,919 --> 00:17:29,960 certain 332 00:17:29,960 --> 00:17:35,160 quota I'm a sticker for cuz again most 333 00:17:35,160 --> 00:17:37,039 of the residents within the city are 334 00:17:37,039 --> 00:17:39,960 compliant in do what I will call a 335 00:17:39,960 --> 00:17:43,880 normal uh amount of msws generator 336 00:17:43,880 --> 00:17:47,029 normal amount of 337 00:17:47,039 --> 00:17:49,080 recyclables but there are ones that 338 00:17:49,080 --> 00:17:52,000 drive our costs that people are taking 339 00:17:52,000 --> 00:17:53,320 advantage of the system where they're 340 00:17:53,320 --> 00:17:56,400 putting out huge amounts of material or 341 00:17:56,400 --> 00:17:59,440 what I believe is material is generated 342 00:17:59,440 --> 00:18:01,640 outside of the city of SKC and then 343 00:18:01,640 --> 00:18:06,710 brought into the city of SKC for 344 00:18:06,720 --> 00:18:09,480 disposal Mr Williams uh so I just wanted 345 00:18:09,480 --> 00:18:12,000 to thank uh the team for putting this 346 00:18:12,000 --> 00:18:13,799 Collective data for us or Collective 347 00:18:13,799 --> 00:18:15,760 information I thing it' be important for 348 00:18:15,760 --> 00:18:17,360 me to as reference I had the opportunity 349 00:18:17,360 --> 00:18:19,280 a few weeks ago to Shadow one of our 350 00:18:19,280 --> 00:18:21,080 waste collection fees and I just want at 351 00:18:21,080 --> 00:18:24,159 this point just thank Sammy and Jerome 352 00:18:24,159 --> 00:18:27,520 uh who M Leon knows they were an 353 00:18:27,520 --> 00:18:29,600 excellent Tandem and true gave me a 354 00:18:29,600 --> 00:18:32,559 first person uh overview of what trash 355 00:18:32,559 --> 00:18:34,760 collection is like in our city uh and 356 00:18:34,760 --> 00:18:37,400 I'd be uh lying if I didn't say that my 357 00:18:37,400 --> 00:18:39,320 body was aching a few days probably two 358 00:18:39,320 --> 00:18:41,400 weeks afterwards and it is an experience 359 00:18:41,400 --> 00:18:43,679 I look forward to only doing once um but 360 00:18:43,679 --> 00:18:45,960 to your point Mr Mayor that education is 361 00:18:45,960 --> 00:18:49,600 absolutely a uh U an understatement of 362 00:18:49,600 --> 00:18:51,440 the issue we have to address growing up 363 00:18:51,440 --> 00:18:53,240 in the city it was always understood in 364 00:18:53,240 --> 00:18:54,600 my household if you just get it to the 365 00:18:54,600 --> 00:18:56,200 curb it will not be there when you get 366 00:18:56,200 --> 00:18:59,440 back home and very much it is a resource 367 00:18:59,440 --> 00:19:01,320 that is taken advantage of uh to your 368 00:19:01,320 --> 00:19:04,679 point um Mr manini truly I I I think we 369 00:19:04,679 --> 00:19:07,240 picked up maybe half a dozen couches uh 370 00:19:07,240 --> 00:19:10,039 chairs and as long as it fits within the 371 00:19:10,039 --> 00:19:12,320 truck uh when it's full you go back out 372 00:19:12,320 --> 00:19:14,360 and you continue your route and the 373 00:19:14,360 --> 00:19:16,520 caveat I wanted to add on to us 374 00:19:16,520 --> 00:19:18,760 identifying a better means to kind of 375 00:19:18,760 --> 00:19:21,039 fee and then better manage this better 376 00:19:21,039 --> 00:19:23,360 manage this also there is a component 377 00:19:23,360 --> 00:19:25,280 that we need to look at is improving the 378 00:19:25,280 --> 00:19:27,400 work life conditions for our workers uh 379 00:19:27,400 --> 00:19:30,360 truly that is a Str ous job and it is 380 00:19:30,360 --> 00:19:33,320 not the easiest one to uh staff uh and I 381 00:19:33,320 --> 00:19:35,320 very much think that this uh department 382 00:19:35,320 --> 00:19:37,880 is taking advantage of not just from our 383 00:19:37,880 --> 00:19:41,120 own expectations as residents um but 384 00:19:41,120 --> 00:19:43,760 also as individuals who uh are are meant 385 00:19:43,760 --> 00:19:46,240 to keep the streets cleaned when they 386 00:19:46,240 --> 00:19:48,200 are set up to fail uh there are plenty 387 00:19:48,200 --> 00:19:50,000 of times where trash are just dumped in 388 00:19:50,000 --> 00:19:52,720 bends or loose bags and if that bag 389 00:19:52,720 --> 00:19:55,039 breaks correct me if I'm wrong Mr leond 390 00:19:55,039 --> 00:19:56,280 if they make the mess they have to clean 391 00:19:56,280 --> 00:19:58,919 it and that takes time and and there 392 00:19:58,919 --> 00:20:01,880 were often times where my expectation 393 00:20:01,880 --> 00:20:04,240 was they would be Fuller teams that is 394 00:20:04,240 --> 00:20:06,320 not often the case and truly the 395 00:20:06,320 --> 00:20:08,080 expectation is for two individuals One 396 00:20:08,080 --> 00:20:10,960 driver and one um Packer excuse me if 397 00:20:10,960 --> 00:20:13,039 I'm wrong with the definitions to to 398 00:20:13,039 --> 00:20:15,640 take on whole streets uh so when they're 399 00:20:15,640 --> 00:20:18,200 addressing these jackpots the residents 400 00:20:18,200 --> 00:20:21,120 are then um frustrated when the truck is 401 00:20:21,120 --> 00:20:23,159 stuck in traffic for so long and then if 402 00:20:23,159 --> 00:20:26,840 they make a mess so so truly they are uh 403 00:20:26,840 --> 00:20:28,360 set up to fail and I think it is 404 00:20:28,360 --> 00:20:30,159 important for us to get this right um 405 00:20:30,159 --> 00:20:32,080 but my only fear is I want to caution 406 00:20:32,080 --> 00:20:34,360 against us making is too complicated uh 407 00:20:34,360 --> 00:20:36,440 just from the standpoint of of with 408 00:20:36,440 --> 00:20:38,720 every additional layer we add in is then 409 00:20:38,720 --> 00:20:40,720 an additional layer of Education we have 410 00:20:40,720 --> 00:20:42,000 to make sure everyone is properly 411 00:20:42,000 --> 00:20:44,320 informed because I also know that our 412 00:20:44,320 --> 00:20:47,840 contians are very opinionated and God 413 00:20:47,840 --> 00:20:50,600 forbid we add in more fees without 414 00:20:50,600 --> 00:20:53,200 properly um rolling out to the community 415 00:20:53,200 --> 00:20:54,600 uh but definitely I look forward to 416 00:20:54,600 --> 00:20:56,400 taking a deeper dive into this and then 417 00:20:56,400 --> 00:20:57,919 getting it right for for not only the 418 00:20:57,919 --> 00:21:00,000 residents but also Al for the employees 419 00:21:00,000 --> 00:21:02,000 of that 420 00:21:02,000 --> 00:21:04,880 department Mr Farland so yeah I'd like 421 00:21:04,880 --> 00:21:07,159 to Echo some some of Mr Williams has 422 00:21:07,159 --> 00:21:10,760 stated um not only with added layer is 423 00:21:10,760 --> 00:21:12,000 the added layer of like kind of 424 00:21:12,000 --> 00:21:13,720 educational piece which I to your point 425 00:21:13,720 --> 00:21:15,760 Mr Mayor I think is probably the most 426 00:21:15,760 --> 00:21:18,120 important piece I think most people when 427 00:21:18,120 --> 00:21:19,600 they know better they do better they'll 428 00:21:19,600 --> 00:21:21,360 be in compliant compliance with what 429 00:21:21,360 --> 00:21:24,159 were our expectations I guess there's 430 00:21:24,159 --> 00:21:25,640 also something that we have to consider 431 00:21:25,640 --> 00:21:28,159 and I'm sure that the committee um took 432 00:21:28,159 --> 00:21:30,720 this in consideration is that if we're 433 00:21:30,720 --> 00:21:35,679 increasing you know um enforcement um 434 00:21:35,679 --> 00:21:39,159 and like something like stickers or 435 00:21:39,159 --> 00:21:40,679 there's a cost that comes with that as 436 00:21:40,679 --> 00:21:42,520 well right like so like so I was just 437 00:21:42,520 --> 00:21:44,960 thinking about you know like you know 438 00:21:44,960 --> 00:21:45,960 and I think that really that' be 439 00:21:45,960 --> 00:21:47,120 something I think that you know I really 440 00:21:47,120 --> 00:21:49,720 would defer to uh Mr lefon around like 441 00:21:49,720 --> 00:21:53,480 you know cuz I guess the the solution um 442 00:21:53,480 --> 00:21:55,640 should be proportionate to the problem 443 00:21:55,640 --> 00:21:57,919 so I don't know cuz you know I I see it 444 00:21:57,919 --> 00:21:59,840 you know the ja TOS here and there and 445 00:21:59,840 --> 00:22:01,720 it's like w um and I think they kind of 446 00:22:01,720 --> 00:22:06,400 stick out of my mind because there's so much so I guess I'm wondering 447 00:22:06,400 --> 00:22:07,960 like 448 00:22:07,960 --> 00:22:10,880 I don't want to end up 449 00:22:10,880 --> 00:22:12,799 overcorrecting if you will like putting 450 00:22:12,799 --> 00:22:15,080 something in P in place that can end up 451 00:22:15,080 --> 00:22:18,919 being a cost to the city um so I so it's 452 00:22:18,919 --> 00:22:20,400 just kind of trying that trying to find 453 00:22:20,400 --> 00:22:21,520 that balance and I think that there's a 454 00:22:21,520 --> 00:22:23,360 lot of difference that needs to be uh 455 00:22:23,360 --> 00:22:25,840 given to uh Mr lefan as far as guiding 456 00:22:25,840 --> 00:22:28,200 that that part of the conversation so I 457 00:22:28,200 --> 00:22:29,279 just welcome if you have any like 458 00:22:29,279 --> 00:22:32,110 thoughts around 459 00:22:32,120 --> 00:22:35,600 that yeah mayor yeah either way just 460 00:22:35,600 --> 00:22:39,200 like with regards to the cost of 461 00:22:39,200 --> 00:22:41,799 enforcement well so Mr Leon if you're 462 00:22:41,799 --> 00:22:48,390 yeah cuz we want to be able to see 463 00:22:48,400 --> 00:22:51,480 you if we print stickers or bags or 464 00:22:51,480 --> 00:22:52,960 whatever there's a cost of that you're 465 00:22:52,960 --> 00:22:54,080 absolutely right yeah so I was just 466 00:22:54,080 --> 00:22:56,240 wondering like how does that 467 00:22:56,240 --> 00:22:58,520 and again part of that is this 468 00:22:58,520 --> 00:23:00,480 discussion to put out and you know we 469 00:23:00,480 --> 00:23:02,080 all get calls tomorrow saying no we 470 00:23:02,080 --> 00:23:04,679 don't want to back so we know that's off 471 00:23:04,679 --> 00:23:07,320 the table but maybe they would like 472 00:23:07,320 --> 00:23:09,520 stickers right right well since it's in 473 00:23:09,520 --> 00:23:11,480 the discussion phase yes you know the 474 00:23:11,480 --> 00:23:14,720 stickers would be a cost to the city but 475 00:23:14,720 --> 00:23:17,760 the to you know recoup that cost we 476 00:23:17,760 --> 00:23:18,960 would add that to the price of the 477 00:23:18,960 --> 00:23:22,200 stickers as part of the cost of you know 478 00:23:22,200 --> 00:23:23,840 doing away with the trash or disposing 479 00:23:23,840 --> 00:23:25,760 of the trash so that all has to be built 480 00:23:25,760 --> 00:23:28,720 into it um yeah you know if you go some 481 00:23:28,720 --> 00:23:30,760 auroras where they use transfer stations 482 00:23:30,760 --> 00:23:32,320 they do a sticker system sometimes it's 483 00:23:32,320 --> 00:23:35,400 $3 you know for a bag of garbage and you 484 00:23:35,400 --> 00:23:37,039 buy them at local stores you know the 485 00:23:37,039 --> 00:23:39,480 town halls same thing but all that cost 486 00:23:39,480 --> 00:23:42,520 is all factored in then again you know 487 00:23:42,520 --> 00:23:44,000 if people aren't compliant there there's 488 00:23:44,000 --> 00:23:47,480 the enforcement factor and you know we 489 00:23:47,480 --> 00:23:49,200 have to break that in small that's you 490 00:23:49,200 --> 00:23:50,799 know there's going to be a transition 491 00:23:50,799 --> 00:23:53,360 where we're not there to just you know 492 00:23:53,360 --> 00:23:55,840 write a fine uh maybe there's a you know 493 00:23:55,840 --> 00:23:59,080 a reminder note you know um but again 494 00:23:59,080 --> 00:24:01,200 when we do a violation there's a cost 495 00:24:01,200 --> 00:24:03,840 for that right now I think certified $7 496 00:24:03,840 --> 00:24:06,559 an envelope violations whether the it's 497 00:24:06,559 --> 00:24:09,360 the administrative fee of $50 you know 498 00:24:09,360 --> 00:24:12,000 right off the top $7 is going to the you 499 00:24:12,000 --> 00:24:14,559 know to the to the mail um and you've 500 00:24:14,559 --> 00:24:16,400 got the nuisance officers that's taking 501 00:24:16,400 --> 00:24:17,559 his time to write it the paper 502 00:24:17,559 --> 00:24:19,480 everything else to guess go to that so 503 00:24:19,480 --> 00:24:20,760 the other thing we have to look at is 504 00:24:20,760 --> 00:24:22,400 whether or not you know our 505 00:24:22,400 --> 00:24:24,679 administrative fees are covering the 506 00:24:24,679 --> 00:24:26,320 cost of the work we're actually goinging 507 00:24:26,320 --> 00:24:29,039 in house and then factor in anything for 508 00:24:29,039 --> 00:24:31,039 the printing of the stickers um so all 509 00:24:31,039 --> 00:24:32,039 those costs are going to be have 510 00:24:32,039 --> 00:24:34,039 factored in and then they come up like 511 00:24:34,039 --> 00:24:35,720 the mayor said with a scale that is 512 00:24:35,720 --> 00:24:37,760 appropriate to what's being left on the 513 00:24:37,760 --> 00:24:40,440 curve um and it's more of a pay as you 514 00:24:40,440 --> 00:24:44,679 go um system um like the mayor said the 515 00:24:44,679 --> 00:24:47,120 bulk of our you know um homeowners here 516 00:24:47,120 --> 00:24:49,520 are compliant they're not going to see 517 00:24:49,520 --> 00:24:51,679 any changes maybe once in a while if the 518 00:24:51,679 --> 00:24:54,000 stickers go out as a courtesy so many go 519 00:24:54,000 --> 00:24:56,399 out at the uh when the tax bills go out 520 00:24:56,399 --> 00:24:58,440 they have that one couch ear it's not 521 00:24:58,440 --> 00:25:00,440 this for their couch every year you know 522 00:25:00,440 --> 00:25:01,720 they'll have a couple stickers to put on 523 00:25:01,720 --> 00:25:04,200 there it'll go away um it's really 524 00:25:04,200 --> 00:25:05,559 repeat offenders that we're seeing all 525 00:25:05,559 --> 00:25:07,960 the time um you know landlords that are 526 00:25:07,960 --> 00:25:10,000 emptying whole house fulls of everything 527 00:25:10,000 --> 00:25:12,480 there um rather than you know hiring a 528 00:25:12,480 --> 00:25:13,840 dumpster and paying the cost of the 529 00:25:13,840 --> 00:25:16,200 dumpster the disposal if we put it on 530 00:25:16,200 --> 00:25:17,440 the curb the C comes and takes it for 531 00:25:17,440 --> 00:25:20,480 free so you know what are we going to do 532 00:25:20,480 --> 00:25:21,360 they're going to put it on the curb or 533 00:25:21,360 --> 00:25:22,880 we're going to take it for free so all 534 00:25:22,880 --> 00:25:24,720 those costs have to be factored in to 535 00:25:24,720 --> 00:25:27,000 the sticker price um you know and when 536 00:25:27,000 --> 00:25:29,120 we do a violation if it comes to that 537 00:25:29,120 --> 00:25:30,880 you know what is the you know what is 538 00:25:30,880 --> 00:25:32,360 the cost of the administrative fee for 539 00:25:32,360 --> 00:25:34,399 that violation you know is $50 going to 540 00:25:34,399 --> 00:25:37,279 cover it or should it be you know $70 541 00:25:37,279 --> 00:25:38,279 it's all stuff we're going to have to 542 00:25:38,279 --> 00:25:40,760 look into I would also imagine that when 543 00:25:40,760 --> 00:25:43,080 you look at like so like that's a good 544 00:25:43,080 --> 00:25:45,279 example of like landlords or whoever was 545 00:25:45,279 --> 00:25:47,679 like empting out an entire apartment you 546 00:25:47,679 --> 00:25:50,039 know maybe the dumpster is you know a 547 00:25:50,039 --> 00:25:52,159 couple hundred bucks to get the dumpster 548 00:25:52,159 --> 00:25:54,799 well then the fee has to be relatively 549 00:25:54,799 --> 00:25:57,640 you know has to incentivize them doing 550 00:25:57,640 --> 00:25:59,760 the right thing a small 15year dumpster 551 00:25:59,760 --> 00:26:01,080 is probably costing somebody a couple 552 00:26:01,080 --> 00:26:04,039 hundred at least to get rid of that 553 00:26:04,039 --> 00:26:06,960 where we're not charging right now it's 554 00:26:06,960 --> 00:26:09,120 free if you got seven couches from a 555 00:26:09,120 --> 00:26:10,880 seven unit there right now the way the 556 00:26:10,880 --> 00:26:11,960 code is written we're going to take all 557 00:26:11,960 --> 00:26:14,080 seven there's no charge if we have to 558 00:26:14,080 --> 00:26:19,840 send three trucks back and forth it's not going to change anything so um 559 00:26:19,840 --> 00:26:22,039 yeah and the true costs has to be looked 560 00:26:22,039 --> 00:26:27,360 at with regards to um you know like we talked about the E-Waste you we may 561 00:26:27,360 --> 00:26:28,880 break even in the sense that it's not 562 00:26:28,880 --> 00:26:30,559 costing us nothing to get rid of it but 563 00:26:30,559 --> 00:26:32,320 there is a cost there because that truck 564 00:26:32,320 --> 00:26:33,640 that's getting about 4 miles to the 565 00:26:33,640 --> 00:26:35,960 gallon is on the road um the gentleman 566 00:26:35,960 --> 00:26:37,360 who's run you know on that truck we're 567 00:26:37,360 --> 00:26:39,919 paying his benefits his salary when it 568 00:26:39,919 --> 00:26:41,640 comes back you know the pallets the 569 00:26:41,640 --> 00:26:43,799 shrink w we have to buy to wrap them the 570 00:26:43,799 --> 00:26:45,000 time it takes for us to put that 571 00:26:45,000 --> 00:26:47,320 together so there is a true cost even to 572 00:26:47,320 --> 00:26:48,640 get rid of something that we think you 573 00:26:48,640 --> 00:26:51,120 know we're not paying a lot but if you 574 00:26:51,120 --> 00:26:56,110 look at it there's a cost yeah thank 575 00:26:56,120 --> 00:27:00,669 you anybody else 576 00:27:00,679 --> 00:27:02,919 okay so um when we started 577 00:27:02,919 --> 00:27:05,720 this I'm sorry did you have I didn't see 578 00:27:05,720 --> 00:27:07,799 your hand I'm sorry I just put it oh you 579 00:27:07,799 --> 00:27:09,559 just put it well not just now but few 580 00:27:09,559 --> 00:27:11,960 seconds ago so um May can you explain 581 00:27:11,960 --> 00:27:14,399 why we're kind of revisiting this whole 582 00:27:14,399 --> 00:27:16,120 trash 583 00:27:16,120 --> 00:27:20,640 um uh Financial s you know situation or 584 00:27:20,640 --> 00:27:22,520 the current 585 00:27:22,520 --> 00:27:26,080 structure does not cover the full cost 586 00:27:26,080 --> 00:27:28,760 of waste collection 587 00:27:28,760 --> 00:27:31,440 so my thought process last year in the 588 00:27:31,440 --> 00:27:34,720 budget and as we're going forward 589 00:27:34,720 --> 00:27:38,760 is waste collection should pretty much 590 00:27:38,760 --> 00:27:41,320 pay for itself that it shouldn't be 591 00:27:41,320 --> 00:27:43,279 subsidized 592 00:27:43,279 --> 00:27:46,159 by other Revenue there's a mechanism 593 00:27:46,159 --> 00:27:48,720 where we can 594 00:27:48,720 --> 00:27:52,840 uh account for what our actual costs are 595 00:27:52,840 --> 00:27:55,919 and let people know that and in this 596 00:27:55,919 --> 00:27:58,360 whole thing again in terms of stay 597 00:27:58,360 --> 00:28:00,880 ability you want people to recycle you 598 00:28:00,880 --> 00:28:04,159 want people to be more cognizant of what 599 00:28:04,159 --> 00:28:08,480 they're doing with waste garbage uh yard 600 00:28:08,480 --> 00:28:11,080 clippings and so if there's a fee 601 00:28:11,080 --> 00:28:12,960 structure so if they can save money if 602 00:28:12,960 --> 00:28:15,200 we build some incentives in this also so 603 00:28:15,200 --> 00:28:18,799 that they're thinking uh a little bit 604 00:28:18,799 --> 00:28:20,279 different in terms of how they're going 605 00:28:20,279 --> 00:28:22,399 to dispose of 606 00:28:22,399 --> 00:28:25,039 items I think everybody benefits from 607 00:28:25,039 --> 00:28:27,480 that and so the goal is to have it more 608 00:28:27,480 --> 00:28:29,080 Revenue neut neutral but to cover the 609 00:28:29,080 --> 00:28:33,399 expenses we gave uh you know pay raises 610 00:28:33,399 --> 00:28:36,880 to the 1037 Crews it was just a reality 611 00:28:36,880 --> 00:28:38,919 in the market CDL Drivers and other 612 00:28:38,919 --> 00:28:43,120 things to be able to get them here in 613 00:28:43,120 --> 00:28:45,200 the market 614 00:28:45,200 --> 00:28:47,679 and I think that's appropriate but at 615 00:28:47,679 --> 00:28:50,159 the same time it drives up our costs and 616 00:28:50,159 --> 00:28:53,279 how do we Now cover that through uh 617 00:28:53,279 --> 00:28:56,799 Revenue that's directly related to waste 618 00:28:56,799 --> 00:28:59,360 collection so so um what I was going to 619 00:28:59,360 --> 00:29:01,000 say is that when we started this 620 00:29:01,000 --> 00:29:02,559 discussion during budget season we 621 00:29:02,559 --> 00:29:04,919 talked about um our our goal was like to 622 00:29:04,919 --> 00:29:06,039 look at the 623 00:29:06,039 --> 00:29:08,000 jackpots well I don't know if that's 624 00:29:08,000 --> 00:29:09,039 anyway that's the name they've been 625 00:29:09,039 --> 00:29:11,200 given so 626 00:29:11,200 --> 00:29:13,559 um I I think we should definitely do 627 00:29:13,559 --> 00:29:15,000 that and there was some saying that we 628 00:29:15,000 --> 00:29:16,919 couldn't focus on like we couldn't like 629 00:29:16,919 --> 00:29:18,559 focus on certain people but if there are 630 00:29:18,559 --> 00:29:20,080 people are putting out tremendous 631 00:29:20,080 --> 00:29:22,360 amounts of garbage I don't see why we 632 00:29:22,360 --> 00:29:24,799 cannot specifically say you know this is 633 00:29:24,799 --> 00:29:26,919 the amount of garbage that you it's just 634 00:29:26,919 --> 00:29:28,519 way too much and especially on regular 635 00:29:28,519 --> 00:29:31,120 basis so our our nuisance officers would 636 00:29:31,120 --> 00:29:32,320 definitely come in there and I 637 00:29:32,320 --> 00:29:34,200 understand they're out already I've been 638 00:29:34,200 --> 00:29:36,120 uh receiving phone calls and emails that 639 00:29:36,120 --> 00:29:38,399 they've been out to uh people have been 640 00:29:38,399 --> 00:29:40,440 putting things from their commercial to 641 00:29:40,440 --> 00:29:42,720 their home they've been putting out 642 00:29:42,720 --> 00:29:44,960 their garbage too early all that those 643 00:29:44,960 --> 00:29:47,159 things already exist in the code well 644 00:29:47,159 --> 00:29:49,120 they already exist in the code so if you 645 00:29:49,120 --> 00:29:51,880 um put out your garbage before 2:00 the 646 00:29:51,880 --> 00:29:54,399 day before trash day then you know you 647 00:29:54,399 --> 00:29:57,480 can you can be fine for that we weren't enforcing that and a large 648 00:29:57,480 --> 00:29:58,519 part of this is is going to be 649 00:29:58,519 --> 00:30:00,840 enforcement but now that's happening so 650 00:30:00,840 --> 00:30:04,679 that has started as we look at this um 651 00:30:04,679 --> 00:30:07,559 Mr O'Brien has provided for us the 652 00:30:07,559 --> 00:30:09,679 Amendments and then I asked Miss Miku to 653 00:30:09,679 --> 00:30:12,039 print out the code as it stands so we 654 00:30:12,039 --> 00:30:14,279 want to take a look at you know what we 655 00:30:14,279 --> 00:30:16,600 have versus what's being proposed before 656 00:30:16,600 --> 00:30:19,840 us um and it's kind of been said here 657 00:30:19,840 --> 00:30:21,039 but I think one of the other things we 658 00:30:21,039 --> 00:30:23,960 need is is a cost benefit analysis to 659 00:30:23,960 --> 00:30:25,760 actually look at what it's costing us 660 00:30:25,760 --> 00:30:28,720 and um what what we're getting from that 661 00:30:28,720 --> 00:30:30,640 so I think that's that's really really 662 00:30:30,640 --> 00:30:32,840 important and also to pay attention to 663 00:30:32,840 --> 00:30:35,679 the fact that we're talking about are we 664 00:30:35,679 --> 00:30:38,080 suggesting cans versus bags cans and 665 00:30:38,080 --> 00:30:40,960 bags I don't know if we if we like if we 666 00:30:40,960 --> 00:30:43,440 really nail down on that particular um 667 00:30:43,440 --> 00:30:45,000 nothing's been decided but the reality 668 00:30:45,000 --> 00:30:48,760 is will probably be cans and bags some 669 00:30:48,760 --> 00:30:51,080 standard right we had a long discussion 670 00:30:51,080 --> 00:30:53,399 about bags the size of bags cans the 671 00:30:53,399 --> 00:30:55,360 size of cans there's a lot of discussion 672 00:30:55,360 --> 00:30:58,559 about that um and also um the sticker 673 00:30:58,559 --> 00:31:00,679 system which um which was has been 674 00:31:00,679 --> 00:31:03,000 mentioned here and and so anything that 675 00:31:03,000 --> 00:31:04,600 we do or as we're doing this and moving 676 00:31:04,600 --> 00:31:06,000 forward just I want the council to keep 677 00:31:06,000 --> 00:31:07,159 in mind that this is going to take a 678 00:31:07,159 --> 00:31:09,320 public hearing because we're going to be 679 00:31:09,320 --> 00:31:11,480 making the suggestion is that we make 680 00:31:11,480 --> 00:31:14,679 changes to the code um and then also 681 00:31:14,679 --> 00:31:15,760 that's also been discussed there needs 682 00:31:15,760 --> 00:31:17,120 to be a transition period where we're 683 00:31:17,120 --> 00:31:18,919 telling people this is what's going to 684 00:31:18,919 --> 00:31:20,840 happen this is what we're considering 685 00:31:20,840 --> 00:31:22,760 and and know this is not carved in stone 686 00:31:22,760 --> 00:31:25,279 from the from the um waste committee but 687 00:31:25,279 --> 00:31:26,880 the suggestions that that have come 688 00:31:26,880 --> 00:31:30,679 forward based on weeks of conversation 689 00:31:30,679 --> 00:31:32,840 um the other thing I want to add because 690 00:31:32,840 --> 00:31:34,080 people have been paying attention to 691 00:31:34,080 --> 00:31:35,559 that that we're paying attention to this 692 00:31:35,559 --> 00:31:37,480 is there's communities that are asking 693 00:31:37,480 --> 00:31:40,679 for trash cans like there are um some 694 00:31:40,679 --> 00:31:42,000 communities already have been like the 695 00:31:42,000 --> 00:31:43,720 north side did theirs Hamilton Hill did 696 00:31:43,720 --> 00:31:45,639 theirs and then uh one other community 697 00:31:45,639 --> 00:31:48,200 actually had uh public trash cans we 698 00:31:48,200 --> 00:31:50,399 have them downtown so that's another 699 00:31:50,399 --> 00:31:52,159 thing we may want to consider because 700 00:31:52,159 --> 00:31:53,639 people are saying we you know we would 701 00:31:53,639 --> 00:31:55,720 like some public trash cans within our 702 00:31:55,720 --> 00:31:57,320 city but then we would have to figure 703 00:31:57,320 --> 00:32:00,120 out um how we cover the cost of 704 00:32:00,120 --> 00:32:02,440 that so 705 00:32:02,440 --> 00:32:05,279 um oh and the other the other part of 706 00:32:05,279 --> 00:32:06,480 this I just want to you know bring 707 00:32:06,480 --> 00:32:08,159 forward for discussion a lot of this is 708 00:32:08,159 --> 00:32:09,440 going to be a lot of we have a lot of 709 00:32:09,440 --> 00:32:11,799 renters in the city so this just won't 710 00:32:11,799 --> 00:32:13,639 be homeowners so as we're thinking this 711 00:32:13,639 --> 00:32:16,240 through we have to think about um 712 00:32:16,240 --> 00:32:20,039 renters and um behavior of of renters 713 00:32:20,039 --> 00:32:22,080 versus homeowners because sometimes it's 714 00:32:22,080 --> 00:32:25,559 not quite the same and also as we think 715 00:32:25,559 --> 00:32:28,480 about this will um any increase we do in 716 00:32:28,480 --> 00:32:31,919 cost to to Property Owners they don't I 717 00:32:31,919 --> 00:32:32,960 don't mean just people that living in 718 00:32:32,960 --> 00:32:34,480 their homes that own properties because 719 00:32:34,480 --> 00:32:35,720 we have people that own multiple 720 00:32:35,720 --> 00:32:38,000 properties throughout the city how that 721 00:32:38,000 --> 00:32:40,159 cost if any will be passed on to renters 722 00:32:40,159 --> 00:32:42,639 so those are um other costs and things 723 00:32:42,639 --> 00:32:44,159 that we would want to be able to take 724 00:32:44,159 --> 00:32:46,360 into consideration as we're um 725 00:32:46,360 --> 00:32:49,760 continuing to discuss this m f yeah I 726 00:32:49,760 --> 00:32:52,760 was just saying what I what I think is 727 00:32:52,760 --> 00:32:54,679 really important is that if we look at 728 00:32:54,679 --> 00:32:57,399 it in the way of like kind of the 729 00:32:57,399 --> 00:32:59,880 jackpot po or I think that that's a 730 00:32:59,880 --> 00:33:02,320 really good model to have because what 731 00:33:02,320 --> 00:33:04,559 that's saying is that if I'm the person 732 00:33:04,559 --> 00:33:07,519 who's putting out so much trash then my 733 00:33:07,519 --> 00:33:09,399 neighbor doesn't end up bearing the cost 734 00:33:09,399 --> 00:33:11,399 for what I'm doing so it's like I could 735 00:33:11,399 --> 00:33:15,360 see that that might I imagine that could 736 00:33:15,360 --> 00:33:17,159 complicate things a little bit but I 737 00:33:17,159 --> 00:33:19,919 think uh to and kind of based on what Mr 738 00:33:19,919 --> 00:33:22,760 lean was saying that that makes sense to 739 00:33:22,760 --> 00:33:24,799 make that extra investment in the way so 740 00:33:24,799 --> 00:33:26,399 we're not spreading that cross across 741 00:33:26,399 --> 00:33:28,080 the community cuz I know that that was 742 00:33:28,080 --> 00:33:29,760 kind of like what what some of the 743 00:33:29,760 --> 00:33:31,159 discussions that we were having during 744 00:33:31,159 --> 00:33:33,519 um our budget process so I think that 745 00:33:33,519 --> 00:33:36,880 this is kind of a really healthy medium 746 00:33:36,880 --> 00:33:38,360 if you will that that addresses the 747 00:33:38,360 --> 00:33:40,840 issue specifically with any residents 748 00:33:40,840 --> 00:33:42,519 that's struggling with this and then it 749 00:33:42,519 --> 00:33:44,080 doesn't become a larger cost for those 750 00:33:44,080 --> 00:33:49,549 who are in 751 00:33:49,559 --> 00:33:51,639 compliance so I'm not really sure how we 752 00:33:51,639 --> 00:33:52,960 get there but there you know we want to 753 00:33:52,960 --> 00:33:55,440 bring it to the council there's um you 754 00:33:55,440 --> 00:33:57,120 know for more discussion so we can come 755 00:33:57,120 --> 00:33:58,440 up with something 756 00:33:58,440 --> 00:34:01,080 and um and we do see a lot of couches 757 00:34:01,080 --> 00:34:02,720 unquestionably and mattresses I think 758 00:34:02,720 --> 00:34:07,600 those are the two favorite things that people get rid of on a regular 759 00:34:07,600 --> 00:34:10,639 basis so um to to charge additionally 760 00:34:10,639 --> 00:34:12,040 for that and let me just also add we 761 00:34:12,040 --> 00:34:13,159 looked at 762 00:34:13,159 --> 00:34:14,960 municipalities um there was information 763 00:34:14,960 --> 00:34:17,159 brought from Other M municipalities in 764 00:34:17,159 --> 00:34:20,240 terms of what they do and um even very 765 00:34:20,240 --> 00:34:22,760 local where they actually change charge 766 00:34:22,760 --> 00:34:24,720 if you put out a couch or you put out a 767 00:34:24,720 --> 00:34:27,440 refrigerator or anything above and ab 768 00:34:27,440 --> 00:34:29,800 Beyond on what's considered normal trash 769 00:34:29,800 --> 00:34:32,320 so this isn't outside the realm of of 770 00:34:32,320 --> 00:34:34,879 possibility um it's just a matter of 771 00:34:34,879 --> 00:34:37,240 getting people ACC custom to it 772 00:34:37,240 --> 00:34:39,919 and and again making sure that because 773 00:34:39,919 --> 00:34:41,679 any money that we receive from waste 774 00:34:41,679 --> 00:34:44,200 only goes into the waste department to 775 00:34:44,200 --> 00:34:46,399 cover those those fees it doesn't go to 776 00:34:46,399 --> 00:34:48,599 the general fund so we have to look at 777 00:34:48,599 --> 00:34:54,109 um all those 778 00:34:54,119 --> 00:34:56,320 things so is there any further input 779 00:34:56,320 --> 00:35:02,349 that we need to bring back to the waste 780 00:35:02,359 --> 00:35:04,640 committee do we have a timeline do we 781 00:35:04,640 --> 00:35:07,000 have a timeline for when we'll um have 782 00:35:07,000 --> 00:35:09,040 the larger discussion and do the public 783 00:35:09,040 --> 00:35:12,800 hearing I mean um just so we don't Mr 784 00:35:12,800 --> 00:35:15,520 O'Brien uh yes Madam president I would 785 00:35:15,520 --> 00:35:18,160 just uh would suggest that let the 786 00:35:18,160 --> 00:35:20,160 council members digest what they've been 787 00:35:20,160 --> 00:35:22,520 given here tonight and then uh send 788 00:35:22,520 --> 00:35:24,960 emails to the uh City Clerk and then the 789 00:35:24,960 --> 00:35:28,000 city clerk can give it to the the was C 790 00:35:28,000 --> 00:35:30,720 waste collection task force and then in 791 00:35:30,720 --> 00:35:33,240 start incorporating those comments in 792 00:35:33,240 --> 00:35:36,320 and then uh as we get further along then 793 00:35:36,320 --> 00:35:38,200 we're going to have to amend the 794 00:35:38,200 --> 00:35:40,160 ordinance and then prior to that have 795 00:35:40,160 --> 00:35:41,480 that public hearing but then the 796 00:35:41,480 --> 00:35:44,599 ordinance will be in draft form ready to 797 00:35:44,599 --> 00:35:47,040 uh put before you and uh have the public 798 00:35:47,040 --> 00:35:50,000 hearing so uh maybe just at this point 799 00:35:50,000 --> 00:35:52,079 everybody go through what they've got 800 00:35:52,079 --> 00:35:54,960 any experiences they have and then send 801 00:35:54,960 --> 00:35:57,920 emails to the city clerk and then City 802 00:35:57,920 --> 00:36:00,880 Clerk and uh then distribute it to uh 803 00:36:00,880 --> 00:36:03,760 point point person for the task force um 804 00:36:03,760 --> 00:36:05,200 so to answer your question there is no 805 00:36:05,200 --> 00:36:06,599 timeline at this point it is one thing 806 00:36:06,599 --> 00:36:09,920 that I asked for and um so we will now 807 00:36:09,920 --> 00:36:11,920 the next time we have a a waste meeting 808 00:36:11,920 --> 00:36:13,680 I will bring that up that we do you know 809 00:36:13,680 --> 00:36:15,119 want to put this on a timeline so we 810 00:36:15,119 --> 00:36:16,160 kind of know where we're going to go 811 00:36:16,160 --> 00:36:18,240 with this and how we'll if we Implement 812 00:36:18,240 --> 00:36:21,359 in stages or because I don't personally 813 00:36:21,359 --> 00:36:23,640 think that based on everything that we 814 00:36:23,640 --> 00:36:25,119 want to change we're going to be able to 815 00:36:25,119 --> 00:36:26,760 do this all at once it's definitely 816 00:36:26,760 --> 00:36:28,760 going to take some transition and you 817 00:36:28,760 --> 00:36:30,480 know it's going to be challenging for 818 00:36:30,480 --> 00:36:32,000 people to figure out all the changes 819 00:36:32,000 --> 00:36:36,040 that we made so we will probably um in a 820 00:36:36,040 --> 00:36:39,240 way that makes sense transition it in 821 00:36:39,240 --> 00:36:41,000 and again when it comes to the fees and 822 00:36:41,000 --> 00:36:42,800 stuff that's those things we're going to 823 00:36:42,800 --> 00:36:45,079 have to um have a public hearing to any 824 00:36:45,079 --> 00:36:46,359 part of that changing the code it's 825 00:36:46,359 --> 00:36:49,200 going to require that so as Mr O'Brien 826 00:36:49,200 --> 00:36:51,599 say you can submit all of your any 827 00:36:51,599 --> 00:36:53,880 comments and suggestions Etc to Miss 828 00:36:53,880 --> 00:36:57,280 Michael and she will then um will pour 829 00:36:57,280 --> 00:36:59,040 them on to the waste Committee just 830 00:36:59,040 --> 00:37:01,359 following up on your comments M 831 00:37:01,359 --> 00:37:03,400 president maybe if the council members 832 00:37:03,400 --> 00:37:05,079 can say how they would like to have it 833 00:37:05,079 --> 00:37:07,960 phased in you know what aspects that 834 00:37:07,960 --> 00:37:10,200 they want phased in first okay let's out 835 00:37:10,200 --> 00:37:14,680 of town drop offs one the other whatever 836 00:37:14,680 --> 00:37:16,200 prioritize what they what they would 837 00:37:16,200 --> 00:37:18,520 like to see phased in first second and 838 00:37:18,520 --> 00:37:21,640 third as we do this and we can we 839 00:37:21,640 --> 00:37:23,319 haven't done this but we could um I'm 840 00:37:23,319 --> 00:37:25,040 not sure when we get get to the point of 841 00:37:25,040 --> 00:37:26,680 like uh at one time the mayor said that 842 00:37:26,680 --> 00:37:27,839 we would have different different 843 00:37:27,839 --> 00:37:29,560 communities like neighborhood 844 00:37:29,560 --> 00:37:32,160 associations kind of give input and that 845 00:37:32,160 --> 00:37:34,440 has not happened yet and um because 846 00:37:34,440 --> 00:37:35,599 right now it's just the people on the 847 00:37:35,599 --> 00:37:37,359 waste committee so I do think we need 848 00:37:37,359 --> 00:37:40,119 more eyes and more voices around this 849 00:37:40,119 --> 00:37:42,240 because it's it's a major change within 850 00:37:42,240 --> 00:37:44,680 the city so that hasn't happen yet but 851 00:37:44,680 --> 00:37:46,400 in terms of 852 00:37:46,400 --> 00:37:49,280 um getting the information out there and 853 00:37:49,280 --> 00:37:53,440 having more um more PSA we could that's 854 00:37:53,440 --> 00:37:54,839 something maybe we could do around that 855 00:37:54,839 --> 00:37:56,319 a so we can bring that back to the 856 00:37:56,319 --> 00:37:57,720 committee is how we how do we start 857 00:37:57,720 --> 00:37:59,760 having these discussions within the 858 00:37:59,760 --> 00:38:01,720 neighborhoods yes Miss Patrick because I 859 00:38:01,720 --> 00:38:03,800 think um and thank you I want to thank 860 00:38:03,800 --> 00:38:05,920 everybody as well that has been doing 861 00:38:05,920 --> 00:38:07,760 this work on the waste committee and and 862 00:38:07,760 --> 00:38:10,079 all um but I do think as part of the 863 00:38:10,079 --> 00:38:12,640 educational aspect it would be good to 864 00:38:12,640 --> 00:38:14,079 you know for example see if we can 865 00:38:14,079 --> 00:38:15,680 partner with the Gazette see if there's 866 00:38:15,680 --> 00:38:17,400 any businesses that want to partner with 867 00:38:17,400 --> 00:38:19,400 us the neighborhood associations in the 868 00:38:19,400 --> 00:38:22,040 school district but in terms of you know 869 00:38:22,040 --> 00:38:25,000 um even having like little competitions 870 00:38:25,000 --> 00:38:26,520 among the neighborhood associations or 871 00:38:26,520 --> 00:38:29,000 something like have something where you 872 00:38:29,000 --> 00:38:31,480 know the whole goal is beautifying 873 00:38:31,480 --> 00:38:34,680 skincity um and and make it you know try 874 00:38:34,680 --> 00:38:37,079 to build some positive energy and and 875 00:38:37,079 --> 00:38:40,440 some fun um around some of this and 876 00:38:40,440 --> 00:38:42,960 speaking of which we should have a slos 877 00:38:42,960 --> 00:38:45,839 I know we have it starts with me um that 878 00:38:45,839 --> 00:38:48,200 may work but maybe there's something 879 00:38:48,200 --> 00:38:51,520 that um that other people would um or 880 00:38:51,520 --> 00:38:53,319 may we can have a slogan contest how 881 00:38:53,319 --> 00:38:54,960 there's that and then you have to pay a 882 00:38:54,960 --> 00:38:57,599 fee to be in it that was a deal that was 883 00:38:57,599 --> 00:38:58,400 a 884 00:38:58,400 --> 00:39:01,200 joke all right so um mayor did you have 885 00:39:01,200 --> 00:39:03,680 more on this anything further all right 886 00:39:03,680 --> 00:39:05,040 um as you said if you can send anything 887 00:39:05,040 --> 00:39:06,440 back we'll just bring it back to the 888 00:39:06,440 --> 00:39:08,240 next B committee meeting and have more 889 00:39:08,240 --> 00:39:10,880 discussion about that thank you U mayor 890 00:39:10,880 --> 00:39:13,550 for 891 00:39:13,560 --> 00:39:17,000 that okay I'll turn it over to Mr 892 00:39:17,000 --> 00:39:18,680 Williams so I'd like to call the Public 893 00:39:18,680 --> 00:39:20,280 Safety Committee order we have two items 894 00:39:20,280 --> 00:39:22,280 on the agenda tonight both of which will 895 00:39:22,280 --> 00:39:24,800 be spoken to First of which is the grant 896 00:39:24,800 --> 00:39:26,720 award Community Trust building 897 00:39:26,720 --> 00:39:28,600 conversation and that will be presented 898 00:39:28,600 --> 00:39:37,030 [Music] 899 00:39:37,040 --> 00:39:40,640 bye hi good evening I'm here 900 00:39:40,640 --> 00:39:42,359 representative the police department and 901 00:39:42,359 --> 00:39:45,480 we are asking the council to accept the 902 00:39:45,480 --> 00:39:50,630 first is uh Grant award in the amount of 903 00:39:50,640 --> 00:39:52,640 $3,588 was for the Community Trust 904 00:39:52,640 --> 00:39:53,599 building 905 00:39:53,599 --> 00:39:57,040 conversation um ultimately the this is 906 00:39:57,040 --> 00:40:00,359 re urement to the city as the funds have 907 00:40:00,359 --> 00:40:01,800 been spent 908 00:40:01,800 --> 00:40:05,000 already thank you any questions or 909 00:40:05,000 --> 00:40:07,760 comments so I know that the um this is 910 00:40:07,760 --> 00:40:09,160 already taking place do you know at what 911 00:40:09,160 --> 00:40:10,839 point in time we hear a report about how 912 00:40:10,839 --> 00:40:11,640 it 913 00:40:11,640 --> 00:40:14,839 went yep there is uh a report has been 914 00:40:14,839 --> 00:40:16,520 completed I understand but I've not had 915 00:40:16,520 --> 00:40:18,680 a chance to look at it yet okay but the 916 00:40:18,680 --> 00:40:20,680 council would be able to hear about that 917 00:40:20,680 --> 00:40:21,760 definitely 918 00:40:21,760 --> 00:40:23,680 okay question thank you any other 919 00:40:23,680 --> 00:40:25,560 questions response hear none we have a 920 00:40:25,560 --> 00:40:27,800 motion 921 00:40:27,800 --> 00:40:30,560 so Mo I'll second second all those in 922 00:40:30,560 --> 00:40:33,359 favor uh the next item on the agenda is 923 00:40:33,359 --> 00:40:35,119 the speed sign 924 00:40:35,119 --> 00:40:38,000 purchase thank you uh the police 925 00:40:38,000 --> 00:40:40,040 department is looking looking to enter 926 00:40:40,040 --> 00:40:43,480 into agreement with PA Systems 927 00:40:43,480 --> 00:40:46,119 Incorporated we are we have Capital 928 00:40:46,119 --> 00:40:50,280 funds available of the amount of 929 00:40:50,280 --> 00:40:53,319 $13,000 we would like to purchase 25 of 930 00:40:53,319 --> 00:40:59,390 these signs for total of 78,2 931 00:40:59,400 --> 00:41:01,359 um if we have funds left over depending 932 00:41:01,359 --> 00:41:02,720 on how much it's going to cost to 933 00:41:02,720 --> 00:41:05,760 install them we would like to purchase 934 00:41:05,760 --> 00:41:09,160 more until the funds are depleted at a 935 00:41:09,160 --> 00:41:10,240 cost of 936 00:41:10,240 --> 00:41:15,069 $3,130 per 937 00:41:15,079 --> 00:41:18,240 unit any questions or comments M pck um 938 00:41:18,240 --> 00:41:20,720 so can you just uh tell us a little bit 939 00:41:20,720 --> 00:41:23,160 about you know the placement of of these 940 00:41:23,160 --> 00:41:25,319 and and making the determination of 941 00:41:25,319 --> 00:41:27,480 where the 25 will go sure it's going be 942 00:41:27,480 --> 00:41:29,119 predominantly school zones and some of 943 00:41:29,119 --> 00:41:31,880 the features that these signs have built 944 00:41:31,880 --> 00:41:34,520 into them um are of course getting the 945 00:41:34,520 --> 00:41:37,000 driver's attention uh we also have what 946 00:41:37,000 --> 00:41:40,240 we can call stealth mode where uh it 947 00:41:40,240 --> 00:41:41,520 appears that they're not working but 948 00:41:41,520 --> 00:41:42,480 what they're actually doing is they're 949 00:41:42,480 --> 00:41:44,599 collecting data and that's important 950 00:41:44,599 --> 00:41:46,400 because we want real numbers we don't 951 00:41:46,400 --> 00:41:49,720 want to um artificially impact how 952 00:41:49,720 --> 00:41:51,960 drivers uh would normally Drive 953 00:41:51,960 --> 00:41:53,240 especially if we're looking at some of 954 00:41:53,240 --> 00:41:55,560 these zones uh school zones again for 955 00:41:55,560 --> 00:41:57,760 dominant 956 00:41:57,760 --> 00:42:02,079 any M Patrick M sorry um thank you do we 957 00:42:02,079 --> 00:42:04,680 have any currently this type in the city 958 00:42:04,680 --> 00:42:06,480 yes we have been downloading one for 959 00:42:06,480 --> 00:42:08,960 probably 6 months maybe more and it's on 960 00:42:08,960 --> 00:42:13,880 eie Boulevard right near alltown fresh 961 00:42:13,880 --> 00:42:18,359 okay so um right now we're going to 25 962 00:42:18,359 --> 00:42:20,200 so do we know what the maximum or 963 00:42:20,200 --> 00:42:21,640 depends on the cost what number we'll 964 00:42:21,640 --> 00:42:23,200 get up to that's right depending on what 965 00:42:23,200 --> 00:42:24,920 the installation costs are I I have a 966 00:42:24,920 --> 00:42:27,359 rough estimate we look at around 350 967 00:42:27,359 --> 00:42:30,800 sign M um but we won't know until we get 968 00:42:30,800 --> 00:42:33,240 a little further into 969 00:42:33,240 --> 00:42:36,040 it and how soon would we be talking 970 00:42:36,040 --> 00:42:38,599 about um having the signs actually 971 00:42:38,599 --> 00:42:40,839 coming to be installed well as soon as 972 00:42:40,839 --> 00:42:43,160 we place the order and and 973 00:42:43,160 --> 00:42:44,960 um as soon as we have them in our 974 00:42:44,960 --> 00:42:46,640 possession we can install them so do we 975 00:42:46,640 --> 00:42:48,079 have time I know sometimes when we buy 976 00:42:48,079 --> 00:42:49,920 police cars it's like there's an 977 00:42:49,920 --> 00:42:51,480 extended period because of all that and 978 00:42:51,480 --> 00:42:53,520 how about with the signs is this a sh 979 00:42:53,520 --> 00:42:55,319 time frame yeah I'm confident it is I 980 00:42:55,319 --> 00:42:56,680 don't know the answer to that uh 981 00:42:56,680 --> 00:42:57,920 specifically 982 00:42:57,920 --> 00:43:02,440 it is I thought it was like 60 days Days 983 00:43:02,440 --> 00:43:06,390 place the order to we 984 00:43:06,400 --> 00:43:09,559 get any other questions or comments uh 985 00:43:09,559 --> 00:43:14,720 here have a motion so moved I'll second all in favor 986 00:43:14,720 --> 00:43:17,760 I thank you if there are no other items 987 00:43:17,760 --> 00:43:19,480 to recall Public Safety i' ask for 988 00:43:19,480 --> 00:43:22,240 motion to adourn mov second it all those 989 00:43:22,240 --> 00:43:25,790 in favor I we 990 00:43:25,800 --> 00:43:28,079 are so I'd like to call the finance 991 00:43:28,079 --> 00:43:29,680 committee to order we have five items on 992 00:43:29,680 --> 00:43:31,520 the agenda tonight the first of which is 993 00:43:31,520 --> 00:43:34,520 the UN Finance United uh CG allocation 994 00:43:34,520 --> 00:43:38,400 request which will be presented by Miss 995 00:43:38,400 --> 00:43:43,079 car good evening city council mayor the 996 00:43:43,079 --> 00:43:44,680 department of development received a 997 00:43:44,680 --> 00:43:47,480 request from young parents United asking 998 00:43:47,480 --> 00:43:51,079 for emergency funding um to fill in the 999 00:43:51,079 --> 00:43:53,359 Gap they lost a major funer this year 1000 00:43:53,359 --> 00:43:56,000 leaving them with a $98,000 gap to 1001 00:43:56,000 --> 00:43:57,680 continue their program 1002 00:43:57,680 --> 00:43:59,760 the funding with the system and taking 1003 00:43:59,760 --> 00:44:02,000 care of salaries and the basic needs for 1004 00:44:02,000 --> 00:44:04,920 the young teenagers and the children 1005 00:44:04,920 --> 00:44:07,640 that um are benefited from the program I 1006 00:44:07,640 --> 00:44:10,160 have invited the executive director Miss 1007 00:44:10,160 --> 00:44:12,599 Jenny Ean here to answer any additional 1008 00:44:12,599 --> 00:44:15,079 questions in regards to the overview 1009 00:44:15,079 --> 00:44:17,000 that was already provided to you on the 1010 00:44:17,000 --> 00:44:19,760 services offer for young United parents 1011 00:44:19,760 --> 00:44:23,200 my ask of you today is to allow um the 1012 00:44:23,200 --> 00:44:25,800 city of SKC to go into contract with 1013 00:44:25,800 --> 00:44:28,920 young United parents for 98,000 using 1014 00:44:28,920 --> 00:44:32,599 cdbg funds that we have from 2018 that 1015 00:44:32,599 --> 00:44:37,829 need to be extended um 1016 00:44:37,839 --> 00:44:41,119 immediately this is a one-time act um 1017 00:44:41,119 --> 00:44:43,240 the organization have already begin to 1018 00:44:43,240 --> 00:44:45,800 take measures um with improving their 1019 00:44:45,800 --> 00:44:48,319 fin their fiscal Health they've recently 1020 00:44:48,319 --> 00:44:51,440 moved to another location with lower 1021 00:44:51,440 --> 00:44:54,720 rent payments um in order to help adjust 1022 00:44:54,720 --> 00:44:56,839 their financial situation right now they 1023 00:44:56,839 --> 00:44:59,920 are are also working um to identify 1024 00:44:59,920 --> 00:45:02,160 additional funding sources for 1025 00:45:02,160 --> 00:45:04,359 sustainability moving forward so the 1026 00:45:04,359 --> 00:45:07,319 expectation is not to come again um for 1027 00:45:07,319 --> 00:45:10,839 this fund it is a one-time um it is a 1028 00:45:10,839 --> 00:45:12,720 one-time contract they're currently 1029 00:45:12,720 --> 00:45:15,240 already contracted with us through the 1030 00:45:15,240 --> 00:45:17,559 youth Coalition so the organization has 1031 00:45:17,559 --> 00:45:20,760 been in good standing good reporting um 1032 00:45:20,760 --> 00:45:24,280 already so my ask is for you to support 1033 00:45:24,280 --> 00:45:28,640 that thank you any questions or comments 1034 00:45:28,640 --> 00:45:32,200 no so I think you answered it so they're looking for future funding that 1035 00:45:32,200 --> 00:45:33,839 was one of my questions so they're 1036 00:45:33,839 --> 00:45:36,720 looking to make sure in the future this 1037 00:45:36,720 --> 00:45:38,319 um that they would have be in the place 1038 00:45:38,319 --> 00:45:39,839 so this would not be an ask from the 1039 00:45:39,839 --> 00:45:42,200 city correct going forward correct they 1040 00:45:42,200 --> 00:45:44,400 will continue to be funded through the 1041 00:45:44,400 --> 00:45:47,240 youth Coalition okay but the additional 1042 00:45:47,240 --> 00:45:51,240 is not expectation 1043 00:45:51,240 --> 00:45:54,119 so well I just asked about the cdbg 1044 00:45:54,119 --> 00:45:57,440 hunds from 2018 and how we ended up 1045 00:45:57,440 --> 00:45:59,800 and it's obviously is enough for what's 1046 00:45:59,800 --> 00:46:01,680 being asked but how we kind of ended up 1047 00:46:01,680 --> 00:46:04,640 there so H the federal government gives 1048 00:46:04,640 --> 00:46:07,760 you 5 years to spend our money we've had 1049 00:46:07,760 --> 00:46:10,480 money um allocated in other areas 1050 00:46:10,480 --> 00:46:12,800 internally that haven't been able to use 1051 00:46:12,800 --> 00:46:15,640 the funding so in an effort to stay in 1052 00:46:15,640 --> 00:46:17,599 compliance with the federal government 1053 00:46:17,599 --> 00:46:19,680 we went through and was able to find 1054 00:46:19,680 --> 00:46:21,480 areas that we could reallocate the money 1055 00:46:21,480 --> 00:46:24,200 for for immediate use and in the process 1056 00:46:24,200 --> 00:46:26,960 of doing that we received the request 1057 00:46:26,960 --> 00:46:30,680 from United parents young United parents 1058 00:46:30,680 --> 00:46:32,880 and I did go to the mayor and ask if it 1059 00:46:32,880 --> 00:46:34,160 was something that we could do and 1060 00:46:34,160 --> 00:46:36,359 change kind of the trajectory on how we 1061 00:46:36,359 --> 00:46:38,880 were going to use some of the funding 1062 00:46:38,880 --> 00:46:41,359 thank you any Mr F just um how much 1063 00:46:41,359 --> 00:46:43,520 other fun how much funding um out of 1064 00:46:43,520 --> 00:46:48,280 this uh 2018 of money is available right 1065 00:46:48,280 --> 00:46:51,160 now there is none after this after this 1066 00:46:51,160 --> 00:46:54,040 okay okay thank you any other questions 1067 00:46:54,040 --> 00:46:54,800 or 1068 00:46:54,800 --> 00:46:58,280 comments umet just wondering um what 1069 00:46:58,280 --> 00:47:02,319 your total budget is well you have to if 1070 00:47:02,319 --> 00:47:06,430 you're going to come 1071 00:47:06,440 --> 00:47:10,240 over excuse me for lping ier my name oh 1072 00:47:10,240 --> 00:47:12,520 no 1073 00:47:12,520 --> 00:47:18,240 I um so um it's you know last year we 1074 00:47:18,240 --> 00:47:20,040 were operating 1075 00:47:20,040 --> 00:47:23,640 $500,000 um this year you know with this 1076 00:47:23,640 --> 00:47:25,640 funding you know we're we're mean we 1077 00:47:25,640 --> 00:47:28,240 lost we had one 1078 00:47:28,240 --> 00:47:32,000 fun just so um we do have other sources 1079 00:47:32,000 --> 00:47:34,280 which includes the cdbg funding private 1080 00:47:34,280 --> 00:47:36,240 foundations Community you know other 1081 00:47:36,240 --> 00:47:38,400 foundations in the community this year 1082 00:47:38,400 --> 00:47:41,240 what we're going to do to cover this Gap 1083 00:47:41,240 --> 00:47:43,680 um there's a large Federal grant that's 1084 00:47:43,680 --> 00:47:46,079 available um for several of them that 1085 00:47:46,079 --> 00:47:48,559 apply very specifically to our 1086 00:47:48,559 --> 00:47:52,119 population um we had attended previously 1087 00:47:52,119 --> 00:47:54,839 to you know make that transition only 1088 00:47:54,839 --> 00:47:56,559 now it's just requiring us to do it very 1089 00:47:56,559 --> 00:47:57,960 quickly 1090 00:47:57,960 --> 00:47:59,800 um but it it's you know it's a good 1091 00:47:59,800 --> 00:48:01,319 amount of money that would literally 1092 00:48:01,319 --> 00:48:03,760 cover that issue but the RFP doesn't 1093 00:48:03,760 --> 00:48:06,720 come out till May um and the awards 1094 00:48:06,720 --> 00:48:08,559 wouldn't take place until like septe the 1095 00:48:08,559 --> 00:48:09,319 end of 1096 00:48:09,319 --> 00:48:13,160 September so we needed you know we we 1097 00:48:13,160 --> 00:48:16,040 really do I trust me provide a lot of 1098 00:48:16,040 --> 00:48:18,400 services and support to the young 1099 00:48:18,400 --> 00:48:20,400 parents in this community they dep 1100 00:48:20,400 --> 00:48:22,400 depend on us as a lot of the agencies do 1101 00:48:22,400 --> 00:48:25,800 also um so um we're just looking forward 1102 00:48:25,800 --> 00:48:27,760 to staying here 1103 00:48:27,760 --> 00:48:30,280 sustaining the organization so your 1104 00:48:30,280 --> 00:48:32,359 support would be greatly 1105 00:48:32,359 --> 00:48:34,280 appreciated any other questions or 1106 00:48:34,280 --> 00:48:37,079 comments I I do have a question 1107 00:48:37,079 --> 00:48:40,839 um what was the reasoning behind uh the 1108 00:48:40,839 --> 00:48:43,079 primary fun pulling out I mean what was 1109 00:48:43,079 --> 00:48:45,400 their I mean did they just lack funding 1110 00:48:45,400 --> 00:48:47,680 themselves they they supported us 1111 00:48:47,680 --> 00:48:50,520 tremendously um from the very beginning 1112 00:48:50,520 --> 00:48:53,240 and I'm very grateful because they built 1113 00:48:53,240 --> 00:48:55,119 the organization up to a point where we 1114 00:48:55,119 --> 00:48:58,760 could really have a huge impact mhm um 1115 00:48:58,760 --> 00:49:00,720 it was a decision to do something 1116 00:49:00,720 --> 00:49:03,559 different um there's there's nothing 1117 00:49:03,559 --> 00:49:07,400 negative to say we're very grateful um 1118 00:49:07,400 --> 00:49:09,240 and you know we're grateful that we were 1119 00:49:09,240 --> 00:49:10,400 able to get to the point where we 1120 00:49:10,400 --> 00:49:13,119 weren't with that particular fun um and 1121 00:49:13,119 --> 00:49:16,040 it's just now a transition to move 1122 00:49:16,040 --> 00:49:19,119 on I really need the support to 1123 00:49:19,119 --> 00:49:21,880 sustain just yeah but first I want to 1124 00:49:21,880 --> 00:49:23,119 say I appreciate the work that you're 1125 00:49:23,119 --> 00:49:24,920 doing the very very important work that 1126 00:49:24,920 --> 00:49:27,280 you're doing on my you know not lost on 1127 00:49:27,280 --> 00:49:28,839 any of us in the council at least I 1128 00:49:28,839 --> 00:49:30,319 think I can speak for the council say 1129 00:49:30,319 --> 00:49:33,079 that um this is a very high priority of 1130 00:49:33,079 --> 00:49:34,799 ours as well so I just wanted to say 1131 00:49:34,799 --> 00:49:36,480 thank you for the thank you yeah we're 1132 00:49:36,480 --> 00:49:39,160 really in the mud with these kids so to 1133 00:49:39,160 --> 00:49:41,280 be right and we want to continue to be 1134 00:49:41,280 --> 00:49:42,359 We Care a 1135 00:49:42,359 --> 00:49:45,160 Lot uh any other questions or comments 1136 00:49:45,160 --> 00:49:47,599 uh hearing on and a motion so move 1137 00:49:47,599 --> 00:49:50,960 second second all those in favor I I 1138 00:49:50,960 --> 00:49:53,839 thank you so much um moving to the next 1139 00:49:53,839 --> 00:49:57,040 item uh the 20 2024 budget reallocation 1140 00:49:57,040 --> 00:49:58,640 pursu to the agreement between the city 1141 00:49:58,640 --> 00:50:01,359 ofcity 1142 00:50:01,359 --> 00:50:05,359 and car Carpenters Local 51 of 2024 1143 00:50:05,359 --> 00:50:08,000 which will be discussed by 1144 00:50:08,000 --> 00:50:11,319 May thank you uh items 2 three and four 1145 00:50:11,319 --> 00:50:14,440 are budget amendments to 1146 00:50:14,440 --> 00:50:16,960 conform with 1147 00:50:16,960 --> 00:50:19,640 the contracts that we've ENT du to 1148 00:50:19,640 --> 00:50:21,240 collective bargaining agreements with 1149 00:50:21,240 --> 00:50:22,760 the uh 1150 00:50:22,760 --> 00:50:25,920 Carpenters the uh electricians and the 1151 00:50:25,920 --> 00:50:28,240 painters unit 1152 00:50:28,240 --> 00:50:31,880 uh so anybody has any specific 1153 00:50:31,880 --> 00:50:33,960 questions on that but these are 1154 00:50:33,960 --> 00:50:35,960 contracts already been approved by the 1155 00:50:35,960 --> 00:50:38,599 council uh done by the unions and now 1156 00:50:38,599 --> 00:50:40,480 it's just to bring the 1157 00:50:40,480 --> 00:50:43,119 budget into agreement with that so we 1158 00:50:43,119 --> 00:50:46,430 can continue to 1159 00:50:46,440 --> 00:50:48,319 pay 1160 00:50:48,319 --> 00:50:51,400 um did we need to uh go through these 1161 00:50:51,400 --> 00:50:52,640 line by 1162 00:50:52,640 --> 00:50:56,720 line you probably do to have to to vote 1163 00:50:56,720 --> 00:50:59,480 on it but the message is the same for 1164 00:50:59,480 --> 00:51:02,359 all of them apologize Mr chairman get 1165 00:51:02,359 --> 00:51:06,599 thee of no no worries uh so uh 1166 00:51:06,599 --> 00:51:09,440 returning m p yes so well actually it's 1167 00:51:09,440 --> 00:51:11,000 not a question I just um just want to 1168 00:51:11,000 --> 00:51:12,839 point out that Mr gamak who couldn't be 1169 00:51:12,839 --> 00:51:16,520 here tonight um did provide the um 1170 00:51:16,520 --> 00:51:18,040 backup information about how much it's 1171 00:51:18,040 --> 00:51:19,680 going to cost scenarios there if anybody 1172 00:51:19,680 --> 00:51:22,150 has any 1173 00:51:22,160 --> 00:51:25,440 questions and Al answer it or we can get 1174 00:51:25,440 --> 00:51:27,799 additional information 1175 00:51:27,799 --> 00:51:29,319 it's um you'll notice that there're not 1176 00:51:29,319 --> 00:51:32,839 significant increases right um in 1177 00:51:32,839 --> 00:51:35,359 clearly things that we if we uh made 1178 00:51:35,359 --> 00:51:37,200 those changes we got to we have to amend 1179 00:51:37,200 --> 00:51:40,520 the budgets to cover that these we have 1180 00:51:40,520 --> 00:51:43,200 small numbers of members Within These 1181 00:51:43,200 --> 00:51:46,160 Union that or city 1182 00:51:46,160 --> 00:51:48,640 employees uh so any questions or 1183 00:51:48,640 --> 00:51:51,720 comments regarding the carpenter local 1184 00:51:51,720 --> 00:51:55,040 51 uh hearing N I have a motion so move 1185 00:51:55,040 --> 00:51:57,799 I'll second second all in favor hi hi 1186 00:51:57,799 --> 00:52:00,559 moving to item number three is the 2024 1187 00:52:00,559 --> 00:52:04,599 budget reallocation for the IBEW Local 1188 00:52:04,599 --> 00:52:06,359 202 1189 00:52:06,359 --> 00:52:09,799 236 any questions or comments I'll move 1190 00:52:09,799 --> 00:52:13,480 it I will second second how in favor I 1191 00:52:13,480 --> 00:52:16,040 uh item number four is the 2024 budget 1192 00:52:16,040 --> 00:52:18,760 reallocation um for the trades Union dc9 1193 00:52:18,760 --> 00:52:22,480 painters for glair lu2 and plumber lu7 1194 00:52:22,480 --> 00:52:25,559 for 2024 any questions or comments he 1195 00:52:25,559 --> 00:52:31,400 anyone so I'll move it I I'll second all those in favor I I and the 1196 00:52:31,400 --> 00:52:33,400 fifth and final item is a reminder of a 1197 00:52:33,400 --> 00:52:35,760 public hearing for the Restore New York 1198 00:52:35,760 --> 00:52:38,520 uh round 8 Grant 1199 00:52:38,520 --> 00:52:40,359 application the public hearing will be 1200 00:52:40,359 --> 00:52:43,559 held on 1201 00:52:43,559 --> 00:52:45,839 April 20 1202 00:52:45,839 --> 00:52:48,720 seconds any other questions or comments 1203 00:52:48,720 --> 00:52:50,599 the pl comme hearing on we have motion 1204 00:52:50,599 --> 00:52:53,160 toour so moved second second all those 1205 00:52:53,160 --> 00:52:56,720 in favor I we areour 1206 00:52:56,720 --> 00:52:58,839 I wanted to move this so we can let Mr 1207 00:52:58,839 --> 00:53:03,079 um Mr Gill sure okay I'd like to call 1208 00:53:03,079 --> 00:53:04,839 the order City development and planning 1209 00:53:04,839 --> 00:53:06,880 we have seven items on the 1210 00:53:06,880 --> 00:53:09,799 agenda is Mr Wallen coming downstairs or 1211 00:53:09,799 --> 00:53:12,880 he he usually goes based on uh is he 1212 00:53:12,880 --> 00:53:14,440 coming you see him I don't see him he 1213 00:53:14,440 --> 00:53:17,160 usually sits upstairs and watches so 1214 00:53:17,160 --> 00:53:20,359 taking it out of order might throw him 1215 00:53:20,359 --> 00:53:24,280 off so 1216 00:53:24,280 --> 00:53:30,079 um so could Mr TT okay so um and while 1217 00:53:30,079 --> 00:53:32,839 we're waiting for him I am going to jump 1218 00:53:32,839 --> 00:53:35,720 to item number three so uh on of City 1219 00:53:35,720 --> 00:53:37,440 development and planning it's a 1220 00:53:37,440 --> 00:53:40,240 ceremonial resolution for Arbor Day uh 1221 00:53:40,240 --> 00:53:41,640 we've done it the years in the past but 1222 00:53:41,640 --> 00:53:43,200 I want to first of all thank Miss Carver 1223 00:53:43,200 --> 00:53:44,799 for bringing it to our attention this 1224 00:53:44,799 --> 00:53:47,720 year because um part of having the res 1225 00:53:47,720 --> 00:53:49,599 part of the what the benefit of having 1226 00:53:49,599 --> 00:53:51,720 these resolutions just not to do it but 1227 00:53:51,720 --> 00:53:54,119 it's also when there's funding 1228 00:53:54,119 --> 00:53:57,000 opportunities it um having a resolution 1229 00:53:57,000 --> 00:53:58,880 that proclaiming Arbor Day in the city 1230 00:53:58,880 --> 00:54:00,920 is part of what the application is 1231 00:54:00,920 --> 00:54:03,000 asking for so again I want to thank M 1232 00:54:03,000 --> 00:54:05,400 Carver um for bringing this to to our 1233 00:54:05,400 --> 00:54:07,920 attention to make sure that we do it it 1234 00:54:07,920 --> 00:54:11,359 is okay it is under my name however it's 1235 00:54:11,359 --> 00:54:12,920 just there as a placeholder so if 1236 00:54:12,920 --> 00:54:14,319 there's a council member has a burning 1237 00:54:14,319 --> 00:54:16,760 desire or loves trees and grass as Miss 1238 00:54:16,760 --> 00:54:19,680 Carver said and wants 1239 00:54:19,680 --> 00:54:22,640 to and wants to present the resolution 1240 00:54:22,640 --> 00:54:24,520 you know what anyone wants to volunteer 1241 00:54:24,520 --> 00:54:27,680 to do that 1242 00:54:27,680 --> 00:54:30,599 oh Mr Char absolutely okay so there we 1243 00:54:30,599 --> 00:54:33,920 are so we will invite people to come um 1244 00:54:33,920 --> 00:54:35,839 to do that you know that part will will 1245 00:54:35,839 --> 00:54:37,480 take care of the um actually I spoke 1246 00:54:37,480 --> 00:54:39,040 some people over the weekend so we'll 1247 00:54:39,040 --> 00:54:41,240 have MPS through here and receive it 1248 00:54:41,240 --> 00:54:44,280 okay I welome turn on that well you want 1249 00:54:44,280 --> 00:54:46,280 to co-present it I said yeah I welcome 1250 00:54:46,280 --> 00:54:49,000 Mr T I think we all love trees so if you 1251 00:54:49,000 --> 00:54:50,920 don't have any then everybody really be 1252 00:54:50,920 --> 00:54:53,280 loving them then so we got to 1253 00:54:53,280 --> 00:54:57,160 definitely okay so all right 1254 00:54:57,160 --> 00:54:59,480 okay 1255 00:54:59,480 --> 00:55:02,000 um Mr wall thank you I know I jumped 1256 00:55:02,000 --> 00:55:03,440 ahead and threw you off the little your 1257 00:55:03,440 --> 00:55:06,359 sister so can I just say about the Arbor 1258 00:55:06,359 --> 00:55:08,240 Day yes that it would be nice to have 1259 00:55:08,240 --> 00:55:10,200 something where you know we could always 1260 00:55:10,200 --> 00:55:12,200 you know cuz we did this before when I 1261 00:55:12,200 --> 00:55:13,720 was working it where you could 1262 00:55:13,720 --> 00:55:16,079 ceremoniously you know plant a tree 1263 00:55:16,079 --> 00:55:17,920 actually to celebrate I don't know if 1264 00:55:17,920 --> 00:55:19,079 maybe you were already thinking about 1265 00:55:19,079 --> 00:55:21,640 doing something like that but have some 1266 00:55:21,640 --> 00:55:23,280 you know kind of it's not a ribbon 1267 00:55:23,280 --> 00:55:25,200 cutting it's a grounding this year we're 1268 00:55:25,200 --> 00:55:28,680 partnering with retreat in so there is 1269 00:55:28,680 --> 00:55:30,799 going to be event and I will pass it 1270 00:55:30,799 --> 00:55:34,160 around to the clerk to um distribute but 1271 00:55:34,160 --> 00:55:37,880 um on Friday the 26 will be an activity 1272 00:55:37,880 --> 00:55:39,760 that we partner with with some Community 1273 00:55:39,760 --> 00:55:42,000 organization great and thank you again 1274 00:55:42,000 --> 00:55:44,039 we need a motion I'm 1275 00:55:44,039 --> 00:55:48,680 sorry I'll second all in favor great all 1276 00:55:48,680 --> 00:55:50,160 right 1277 00:55:50,160 --> 00:55:52,599 um so the first item we're going back to 1278 00:55:52,599 --> 00:55:54,160 first item the award the bidden contract 1279 00:55:54,160 --> 00:55:57,440 for the Gulf Road uh Warner replacement 1280 00:55:57,440 --> 00:56:01,839 okay so this is a new water line between 1281 00:56:01,839 --> 00:56:03,920 the existing fire training facility on 1282 00:56:03,920 --> 00:56:06,640 gol Avenue to our Golf Course 1283 00:56:06,640 --> 00:56:09,079 maintenance facility uh down the dead 1284 00:56:09,079 --> 00:56:12,920 end of uh Golf Road um as you know we 1285 00:56:12,920 --> 00:56:15,000 are installing uh very soon the brand 1286 00:56:15,000 --> 00:56:17,000 new golf course irrigation system the 1287 00:56:17,000 --> 00:56:18,960 irrigation system is going to be more 1288 00:56:18,960 --> 00:56:23,319 centrally located in the existing one is located in a rather 1289 00:56:23,319 --> 00:56:25,720 odd easement behind a home off a Consol 1290 00:56:25,720 --> 00:56:28,359 Road it makes it difficult to get to and 1291 00:56:28,359 --> 00:56:29,640 a little cumbersome for all of us so 1292 00:56:29,640 --> 00:56:32,240 we're going to be moving it uh to a new 1293 00:56:32,240 --> 00:56:35,240 location that is a little bit easier to 1294 00:56:35,240 --> 00:56:36,680 access all the way around and more 1295 00:56:36,680 --> 00:56:38,960 Central to the course so this is an 8 in 1296 00:56:38,960 --> 00:56:41,440 water made to go we've got several bids 1297 00:56:41,440 --> 00:56:43,520 uh the low being Newcastle who we have 1298 00:56:43,520 --> 00:56:45,960 worked with numerous times in the past 1299 00:56:45,960 --> 00:56:49,390 um and it is within 1300 00:56:49,400 --> 00:56:51,640 budget any 1301 00:56:51,640 --> 00:56:54,039 questions I'll entertain a motion so 1302 00:56:54,039 --> 00:56:57,880 moved second all those in favor 1303 00:56:57,880 --> 00:57:00,160 okay item number two change order 1304 00:57:00,160 --> 00:57:02,200 approval to okano electric contract for 1305 00:57:02,200 --> 00:57:05,079 the Central Park Pool Mr wall uh okano 1306 00:57:05,079 --> 00:57:08,119 electric is just backr up the Central 1307 00:57:08,119 --> 00:57:10,280 Park Pool was awarded under Wix law 1308 00:57:10,280 --> 00:57:11,960 which is four contracts a General 1309 00:57:11,960 --> 00:57:14,640 Plumbing an electrical and mechanical um 1310 00:57:14,640 --> 00:57:16,359 the electrical contract that we have in 1311 00:57:16,359 --> 00:57:18,319 front of you we uh would like to do a 1312 00:57:18,319 --> 00:57:20,280 change order for them to install 1313 00:57:20,280 --> 00:57:23,119 additional Lighting in the park uh for 1314 00:57:23,119 --> 00:57:25,400 Sight paths and lighting between the 1315 00:57:25,400 --> 00:57:28,039 pool facility the a diamond and music 1316 00:57:28,039 --> 00:57:31,280 Haven um the value of their contract was 1317 00:57:31,280 --> 00:57:33,480 such that by approving this as you see 1318 00:57:33,480 --> 00:57:35,920 it would raise the value over 25% and 1319 00:57:35,920 --> 00:57:38,799 over 25% requires Council approval um 1320 00:57:38,799 --> 00:57:40,119 the funding for this project would be 1321 00:57:40,119 --> 00:57:41,880 paid for the outside the fence money 1322 00:57:41,880 --> 00:57:43,680 that we call it the arpa general fund 1323 00:57:43,680 --> 00:57:45,480 Improvement money um we thought that 1324 00:57:45,480 --> 00:57:47,480 this was an efficient way to get the 1325 00:57:47,480 --> 00:57:49,359 goals of the project accomplished since 1326 00:57:49,359 --> 00:57:51,640 we had it a Contractor on site and the 1327 00:57:51,640 --> 00:57:54,119 lights that we wanted uh and to schedule 1328 00:57:54,119 --> 00:57:57,200 so um they are order ordering the lights 1329 00:57:57,200 --> 00:57:58,760 upon you know approval of this they're 1330 00:57:58,760 --> 00:58:01,200 ready to go um contractor great the new 1331 00:58:01,200 --> 00:58:03,039 lights that we have uh they said they've 1332 00:58:03,039 --> 00:58:05,559 been working they are smart uh node 1333 00:58:05,559 --> 00:58:08,359 capable and so I would recommend that we 1334 00:58:08,359 --> 00:58:10,520 improve this so that we can uh right now 1335 00:58:10,520 --> 00:58:12,160 just if you're aware I know Paul's not 1336 00:58:12,160 --> 00:58:14,680 here but on every music Haven event um 1337 00:58:14,680 --> 00:58:17,400 we actually have to rent light towers 1338 00:58:17,400 --> 00:58:19,920 and bring them in and it is an issue 1339 00:58:19,920 --> 00:58:21,520 between people from Fair Avenue which is 1340 00:58:21,520 --> 00:58:23,359 where the majority Park and the rest of 1341 00:58:23,359 --> 00:58:25,359 that and so this is a step to try to 1342 00:58:25,359 --> 00:58:27,039 improve that 1343 00:58:27,039 --> 00:58:29,200 any questions comments well I'll just 1344 00:58:29,200 --> 00:58:31,960 say that I mean having experienced um 1345 00:58:31,960 --> 00:58:34,200 the musicated piece of this in 1346 00:58:34,200 --> 00:58:36,480 particular I mean it's just so needed so 1347 00:58:36,480 --> 00:58:38,359 I'm thrilled that um we're going to move 1348 00:58:38,359 --> 00:58:40,680 forward with this um it's it's really an 1349 00:58:40,680 --> 00:58:43,640 important safety feature in the park um 1350 00:58:43,640 --> 00:58:45,280 for all the people that come in and 1351 00:58:45,280 --> 00:58:47,760 enjoy uh those festivities all summer 1352 00:58:47,760 --> 00:58:50,680 long so I appreciate it and while this 1353 00:58:50,680 --> 00:58:53,400 is the lighting component this is also 1354 00:58:53,400 --> 00:58:55,440 designed to work for it's really the 1355 00:58:55,440 --> 00:58:59,359 walkway going between music Haven a DI 1356 00:58:59,359 --> 00:59:01,880 where the swimming pool is and so it'll 1357 00:59:01,880 --> 00:59:05,160 dramatically improve walkability and 1358 00:59:05,160 --> 00:59:08,480 visual attractiveness of that whole area 1359 00:59:08,480 --> 00:59:09,440 of the 1360 00:59:09,440 --> 00:59:12,599 park Mr Toro thank you so having been 1361 00:59:12,599 --> 00:59:14,119 there yesterday in the Pavilion for a 1362 00:59:14,119 --> 00:59:17,760 baby shower and uh it was wonderful but 1363 00:59:17,760 --> 00:59:19,720 um so that they were working on the pool 1364 00:59:19,720 --> 00:59:21,520 non stop they had work going on over 1365 00:59:21,520 --> 00:59:23,799 there but they had that big round ruler 1366 00:59:23,799 --> 00:59:25,319 that they were packing down all the 1367 00:59:25,319 --> 00:59:27,039 gravel and the walkway we're talking 1368 00:59:27,039 --> 00:59:29,640 about now and um the restrooms are there 1369 00:59:29,640 --> 00:59:32,119 so again it was a dreary day and it was 1370 00:59:32,119 --> 00:59:34,559 dark and and uh with those lights on 1371 00:59:34,559 --> 00:59:36,599 it'll just be very nice the the walkway 1372 00:59:36,599 --> 00:59:39,240 the pathway thank you 1373 00:59:39,240 --> 00:59:42,280 Chris any other questions or comments 1374 00:59:42,280 --> 00:59:45,000 bit I'll second all those in favor I 1375 00:59:45,000 --> 00:59:47,640 thank you thank 1376 00:59:47,640 --> 00:59:53,829 youate now we just three left again so 1377 00:59:53,839 --> 00:59:58,359 um so the next item is is a we did arbit 1378 00:59:58,359 --> 01:00:00,280 recognizing John fill for his years of 1379 01:00:00,280 --> 01:00:02,480 service uh for those who don't know he 1380 01:00:02,480 --> 01:00:04,119 will be retiring at the end of this 1381 01:00:04,119 --> 01:00:06,880 month after 35 years of service to the 1382 01:00:06,880 --> 01:00:10,720 city and so you know um as we have 1383 01:00:10,720 --> 01:00:13,319 recent in the recent past um acknowledge 1384 01:00:13,319 --> 01:00:15,440 people who had who were retiring from 1385 01:00:15,440 --> 01:00:17,680 the city like to provide um a resolution 1386 01:00:17,680 --> 01:00:19,839 hopefully is actually I think on 1387 01:00:19,839 --> 01:00:21,960 vacation right now can come and um 1388 01:00:21,960 --> 01:00:23,880 receive it but even if he can't I think 1389 01:00:23,880 --> 01:00:25,440 it's a it's a good thing after that many 1390 01:00:25,440 --> 01:00:28,319 years of Serv to at least be able to uh 1391 01:00:28,319 --> 01:00:31,799 acknowledge the service to the city so 1392 01:00:31,799 --> 01:00:33,599 without that I move that one with 1393 01:00:33,599 --> 01:00:35,280 pleasure all right I will second all 1394 01:00:35,280 --> 01:00:38,400 those in favor I thank you uh the next 1395 01:00:38,400 --> 01:00:41,640 item is um the reminder of the public 1396 01:00:41,640 --> 01:00:44,359 hearing for adding um the addition to 1397 01:00:44,359 --> 01:00:48,359 section 26 no 26413 of the city code 1398 01:00:48,359 --> 01:00:50,240 regarding the regulation and location of 1399 01:00:50,240 --> 01:00:52,599 smoke shops vape shops hooka lounges and 1400 01:00:52,599 --> 01:00:54,720 vape consumption businesses and that 1401 01:00:54,720 --> 01:00:57,440 public hearing will be h on the 22nd of 1402 01:00:57,440 --> 01:01:00,400 April it's just a reminder m u the next 1403 01:01:00,400 --> 01:01:02,440 item is item number item number six is 1404 01:01:02,440 --> 01:01:05,760 902 MCL Street uh vacant lot U mayor is 1405 01:01:05,760 --> 01:01:07,240 this something that we need to do in 1406 01:01:07,240 --> 01:01:08,520 executive session or can we do this 1407 01:01:08,520 --> 01:01:10,680 public in public session it's the 1408 01:01:10,680 --> 01:01:13,160 council's decision I called at this 1409 01:01:13,160 --> 01:01:16,200 point fairly forward straightforward and 1410 01:01:16,200 --> 01:01:18,160 wouldn't be executive session if you 1411 01:01:18,160 --> 01:01:21,039 want there's some specific 1412 01:01:21,039 --> 01:01:24,520 question um on the negotiations not in 1413 01:01:24,520 --> 01:01:26,880 terms of negotiations I I I I do have 1414 01:01:26,880 --> 01:01:27,960 some questions but they're not in terms 1415 01:01:27,960 --> 01:01:32,200 of negotiation so um 1416 01:01:32,200 --> 01:01:34,200 we yeah I think we should do it in 1417 01:01:34,200 --> 01:01:36,680 executive session um Section 1418 01:01:36,680 --> 01:01:39,680 105 uh proposed acquisition salary lease 1419 01:01:39,680 --> 01:01:44,039 of property I beg you pardon um uh it's 1420 01:01:44,039 --> 01:01:45,720 proposed acquisition of the release or 1421 01:01:45,720 --> 01:01:48,720 sale of property and also if there's 1422 01:01:48,720 --> 01:01:51,000 going to be any 1423 01:01:51,000 --> 01:01:53,640 uh looking at any sort of litigation in 1424 01:01:53,640 --> 01:01:56,359 this matter is that uh 1425 01:01:56,359 --> 01:01:57,920 are we looking at litigation in this 1426 01:01:57,920 --> 01:01:59,799 matter or you just looking to transfer 1427 01:01:59,799 --> 01:02:01,799 the property 1428 01:02:01,799 --> 01:02:06,039 as is subject to the conditions that 1429 01:02:06,039 --> 01:02:07,760 are 1430 01:02:07,760 --> 01:02:11,520 um litigation I know I'm just I'm just 1431 01:02:11,520 --> 01:02:13,839 saying looking for any 1432 01:02:13,839 --> 01:02:19,559 litigation okay so just discounting that basis for for there's a 1433 01:02:19,559 --> 01:02:21,839 number of different reasons for for 1434 01:02:21,839 --> 01:02:23,400 executive sessions and I just want to 1435 01:02:23,400 --> 01:02:25,960 make sure that's not one of them but 1436 01:02:25,960 --> 01:02:29,200 we're looking at the acquisition sale or 1437 01:02:29,200 --> 01:02:32,119 lease of real property the council's 1438 01:02:32,119 --> 01:02:35,119 previously approved this sales yes we 1439 01:02:35,119 --> 01:02:39,039 did back so there seems to be an issue 1440 01:02:39,039 --> 01:02:42,160 post the transaction has not closed so I 1441 01:02:42,160 --> 01:02:44,279 would still say it's a 1442 01:02:44,279 --> 01:02:48,839 pending a pending sale so it has even 1443 01:02:48,839 --> 01:02:51,799 though the resolution's passed and has 1444 01:02:51,799 --> 01:02:55,039 not closed I see okay well I was trying 1445 01:02:55,039 --> 01:02:58,240 to um get you out of here but it doesn't 1446 01:02:58,240 --> 01:02:59,160 look 1447 01:02:59,160 --> 01:03:03,160 like so um we're going to have to do 1448 01:03:03,160 --> 01:03:07,440 that in executive session same 1449 01:03:07,440 --> 01:03:10,520 okay and U an amendment to the land bank 1450 01:03:10,520 --> 01:03:13,079 Cooperative agreement same 1451 01:03:13,079 --> 01:03:15,359 thing I don't I don't know all the terms 1452 01:03:15,359 --> 01:03:17,839 of that that one is if we're just 1453 01:03:17,839 --> 01:03:20,279 looking to add properties to that 1454 01:03:20,279 --> 01:03:26,000 correct mhm yes um but not for sales we 1455 01:03:26,000 --> 01:03:28,039 adding we're not there's not 1456 01:03:28,039 --> 01:03:30,240 transactions with that right it's just 1457 01:03:30,240 --> 01:03:32,079 adding properties from the inventory 1458 01:03:32,079 --> 01:03:36,150 over to that okay that 1459 01:03:36,160 --> 01:03:41,829 doesn't simply 1460 01:03:41,839 --> 01:03:44,680 adding no we're simply adding properties 1461 01:03:44,680 --> 01:03:46,279 to the existing access agreement 1462 01:03:46,279 --> 01:03:48,160 allowing them to look through those 1463 01:03:48,160 --> 01:03:50,960 sites um and also identify different 1464 01:03:50,960 --> 01:03:52,799 projects and things that we may need in 1465 01:03:52,799 --> 01:03:55,000 the future okay I I think I I would like 1466 01:03:55,000 --> 01:03:57,039 to hear that in ex session I he I have 1467 01:03:57,039 --> 01:03:59,359 some questions regarding the value of 1468 01:03:59,359 --> 01:04:01,640 those properties okay yes regarding the 1469 01:04:01,640 --> 01:04:10,200 values of those properties okay so in this case I'll ask for recess 1470 01:04:10,200 --> 01:04:13,680 okay motion to recess 1471 01:04:13,680 --> 01:04:16,319 second then you call you the committ 1472 01:04:16,319 --> 01:04:17,079 order and then we'll go into the 1473 01:04:17,079 --> 01:04:18,200 executive session right after your 1474 01:04:18,200 --> 01:04:20,119 discussion okay all right so do we have 1475 01:04:20,119 --> 01:04:21,720 to vote on we're recess should we just 1476 01:04:21,720 --> 01:04:23,440 oh we don't have to vote on it no no 1477 01:04:23,440 --> 01:04:25,119 we're we're not going to discuss we're 1478 01:04:25,119 --> 01:04:26,799 do an executive 1479 01:04:26,799 --> 01:04:29,119 session okay so I'd like to open health 1480 01:04:29,119 --> 01:04:31,279 and Recreation we have one item on the 1481 01:04:31,279 --> 01:04:35,039 agenda and that is uh ceremonial 1482 01:04:35,039 --> 01:04:38,440 resolution um regarding the uh contract 1483 01:04:38,440 --> 01:04:40,559 between St Peter's Health Partners Ellis 1484 01:04:40,559 --> 01:04:44,279 medicine and uh newor State Nurses 1485 01:04:44,279 --> 01:04:47,839 Association um so I'd like to open that 1486 01:04:47,839 --> 01:04:50,079 up see if there's any discussion I have 1487 01:04:50,079 --> 01:04:53,599 some questions Mr Cary certainly 1488 01:04:53,599 --> 01:04:56,960 so right now uh Ellis medicine and St 1489 01:04:56,960 --> 01:05:01,039 Peters are um in negotiations um with a 1490 01:05:01,039 --> 01:05:03,799 New York State Association of nurses and 1491 01:05:03,799 --> 01:05:06,440 I think that um it's important that you 1492 01:05:06,440 --> 01:05:09,680 know this is a situ this is a 1493 01:05:09,680 --> 01:05:14,799 very uh consequential um negotiation or 1494 01:05:14,799 --> 01:05:16,880 process that's happening and I just want 1495 01:05:16,880 --> 01:05:19,319 to um encourage you know all our 1496 01:05:19,319 --> 01:05:22,119 Community Partners to uh settle a fater 1497 01:05:22,119 --> 01:05:25,039 contract uh with the Nurses Association 1498 01:05:25,039 --> 01:05:28,319 so it doesn't impact the um well if it 1499 01:05:28,319 --> 01:05:31,039 and if it does impact it impacts um to 1500 01:05:31,039 --> 01:05:32,640 the benefit of the people that live in 1501 01:05:32,640 --> 01:05:34,880 the city as conc with our limited 1502 01:05:34,880 --> 01:05:36,799 medical uh resources that we have I 1503 01:05:36,799 --> 01:05:39,480 think that is really um an important 1504 01:05:39,480 --> 01:05:42,720 issue to uh weigh in 1505 01:05:42,720 --> 01:05:47,760 on um committee M Doro thank you um so I 1506 01:05:47,760 --> 01:05:50,079 fully acknowledge the sense of role of 1507 01:05:50,079 --> 01:05:53,039 nurses uh in our community and wherever 1508 01:05:53,039 --> 01:05:54,760 however I think this negotiation is 1509 01:05:54,760 --> 01:05:56,520 between a 1510 01:05:56,520 --> 01:05:58,559 private entity and their employees and 1511 01:05:58,559 --> 01:06:01,200 should be negotiated as such and I I 1512 01:06:01,200 --> 01:06:03,279 really don't feel it's a stance that uh 1513 01:06:03,279 --> 01:06:05,400 I feel the the city council should take 1514 01:06:05,400 --> 01:06:07,119 a 1515 01:06:07,119 --> 01:06:11,839 um a um not take a stance in helping out 1516 01:06:11,839 --> 01:06:15,359 or resolving negotiations between um 1517 01:06:15,359 --> 01:06:17,319 that fall within kind of like the domain 1518 01:06:17,319 --> 01:06:20,520 of of private entities so um I I just 1519 01:06:20,520 --> 01:06:23,279 don't think it's again as much as I 1520 01:06:23,279 --> 01:06:24,160 fully 1521 01:06:24,160 --> 01:06:26,640 acknowledge and uh endorse the role of 1522 01:06:26,640 --> 01:06:28,839 nurses I just don't think it's something 1523 01:06:28,839 --> 01:06:31,880 that that we should enter 1524 01:06:31,880 --> 01:06:34,359 into Mr Williams oh just as a point of 1525 01:06:34,359 --> 01:06:35,839 clarification which entity are you 1526 01:06:35,839 --> 01:06:38,480 referring to that's private uh the 1527 01:06:38,480 --> 01:06:40,880 hospital but it's a merger so which one 1528 01:06:40,880 --> 01:06:43,160 cuz to my awareness both are non 1529 01:06:43,160 --> 01:06:45,400 for-profits pardon me they're both non 1530 01:06:45,400 --> 01:06:49,079 for-profits St Peters and Dallas yes 1531 01:06:49,079 --> 01:06:51,760 so by law every Hospital in New York 1532 01:06:51,760 --> 01:06:54,559 state has to be not proprof so they're 1533 01:06:54,559 --> 01:06:55,880 not private is what he say it's not 1534 01:06:55,880 --> 01:06:57,720 private so I would say they're public 1535 01:06:57,720 --> 01:06:59,319 good that would make it very much a 1536 01:06:59,319 --> 01:07:02,549 public conversation but I'll wait 1537 01:07:02,559 --> 01:07:06,240 till do you have other comments or I I 1538 01:07:06,240 --> 01:07:09,039 have some comments so sure well I'll 1539 01:07:09,039 --> 01:07:10,799 hear you out first well I do want to 1540 01:07:10,799 --> 01:07:12,680 comment on that particular question 1541 01:07:12,680 --> 01:07:14,839 actually because in fact I'm not really 1542 01:07:14,839 --> 01:07:17,039 sure um and I don't know if anyone 1543 01:07:17,039 --> 01:07:19,039 around this table knows which gets to my 1544 01:07:19,039 --> 01:07:21,000 larger issue of I really don't think we 1545 01:07:21,000 --> 01:07:22,960 should be getting involved with contract 1546 01:07:22,960 --> 01:07:27,400 negotiations between the hospital and and its uh and its staff or anybody 1547 01:07:27,400 --> 01:07:29,480 I mean I would say the same thing um in 1548 01:07:29,480 --> 01:07:31,160 terms of getting involved in the school 1549 01:07:31,160 --> 01:07:33,119 you know the school district when the 1550 01:07:33,119 --> 01:07:36,240 superintendent is negotiating at net um 1551 01:07:36,240 --> 01:07:37,559 I wouldn't think that we would want to 1552 01:07:37,559 --> 01:07:39,799 get involved with that or or any um 1553 01:07:39,799 --> 01:07:43,599 contract negotiation um that isn't ours 1554 01:07:43,599 --> 01:07:46,160 um but I do want to say that I'm not 1555 01:07:46,160 --> 01:07:48,680 really sure that the nurses are needing 1556 01:07:48,680 --> 01:07:51,640 to negotiate with with St Peters um I 1557 01:07:51,640 --> 01:07:54,200 don't think that's part of it I think um 1558 01:07:54,200 --> 01:07:55,599 you know I don't think St Peters is 1559 01:07:55,599 --> 01:07:58,440 involved in it um if anyone else knows 1560 01:07:58,440 --> 01:08:01,119 differently um they could they could 1561 01:08:01,119 --> 01:08:04,599 tell me that um so that's one of my my 1562 01:08:04,599 --> 01:08:07,559 questions I'd like to know where um the 1563 01:08:07,559 --> 01:08:11,440 93% i i the idea that Ellis is under 1564 01:08:11,440 --> 01:08:14,520 Staffing uh it's its Hospital units up 1565 01:08:14,520 --> 01:08:17,080 to 93% um I'd like to know where that 1566 01:08:17,080 --> 01:08:18,920 came from and whether anyone sitting at 1567 01:08:18,920 --> 01:08:21,719 the table can verify that number um CU 1568 01:08:21,719 --> 01:08:23,799 I'm not really sure that that's um it 1569 01:08:23,799 --> 01:08:26,880 seems like a very unusual number to me 1570 01:08:26,880 --> 01:08:31,159 um so again I don't really feel that we 1571 01:08:31,159 --> 01:08:33,199 probably fully understand the parameters 1572 01:08:33,199 --> 01:08:35,239 of the contract negotiation it's my 1573 01:08:35,239 --> 01:08:36,560 understanding that they do this every 3 1574 01:08:36,560 --> 01:08:38,880 years it's kind of a you know standard 1575 01:08:38,880 --> 01:08:41,199 negotiation that the hospital undertakes 1576 01:08:41,199 --> 01:08:43,799 every every 3 years with the nurses but 1577 01:08:43,799 --> 01:08:45,960 I also want to say um as you all are 1578 01:08:45,960 --> 01:08:47,640 saying that I certainly support all of 1579 01:08:47,640 --> 01:08:50,560 our healthcare workers and I value uh 1580 01:08:50,560 --> 01:08:53,679 the fact that we have the hospital here 1581 01:08:53,679 --> 01:08:55,040 um I think we need to do everything we 1582 01:08:55,040 --> 01:08:58,080 can to support um keeping the hospital 1583 01:08:58,080 --> 01:08:59,839 here and and making sure that our health 1584 01:08:59,839 --> 01:09:05,159 care stays stays uh fine um but again I 1585 01:09:05,159 --> 01:09:07,319 really would have to say that um I just 1586 01:09:07,319 --> 01:09:08,679 don't think it's appropriate for city 1587 01:09:08,679 --> 01:09:10,239 council to be getting involved in the 1588 01:09:10,239 --> 01:09:13,920 contract negotiations of another 1589 01:09:13,920 --> 01:09:16,480 organization Miss pfield so I I just 1590 01:09:16,480 --> 01:09:18,080 want to point out the fact that um 1591 01:09:18,080 --> 01:09:20,520 several years ago when there was a where 1592 01:09:20,520 --> 01:09:23,040 we were supporting in terms of safe 1593 01:09:23,040 --> 01:09:25,600 Staffing and we did this Council did 1594 01:09:25,600 --> 01:09:28,199 pass a resolution when the when the nna 1595 01:09:28,199 --> 01:09:30,000 came to us regarding safe Staffing 1596 01:09:30,000 --> 01:09:32,159 because they were stating that you know 1597 01:09:32,159 --> 01:09:34,640 there was a safe Staffing acting because 1598 01:09:34,640 --> 01:09:38,560 there were the Staffing was not um equal 1599 01:09:38,560 --> 01:09:41,400 to the number of patients so essentially 1600 01:09:41,400 --> 01:09:46,759 nurses were then being overburdened in terms of how many patients per um per 1601 01:09:46,759 --> 01:09:49,799 nurse so the N did come to us and we did 1602 01:09:49,799 --> 01:09:51,799 pass a resolution to support that safe 1603 01:09:51,799 --> 01:09:53,640 Staffing act so I just want to make 1604 01:09:53,640 --> 01:09:56,239 folks be aware that um that that did 1605 01:09:56,239 --> 01:10:00,320 happen additionally um it's my 1606 01:10:00,320 --> 01:10:01,640 understanding that same K isn't very 1607 01:10:01,640 --> 01:10:02,920 much involved in this and we can just 1608 01:10:02,920 --> 01:10:04,159 confirm that for you if that's a 1609 01:10:04,159 --> 01:10:06,400 question for you but um this the 1610 01:10:06,400 --> 01:10:08,880 information as I understand it came from 1611 01:10:08,880 --> 01:10:11,400 nna so that's uh I know the Trinity is 1612 01:10:11,400 --> 01:10:13,960 also involved in it but that St Peters 1613 01:10:13,960 --> 01:10:17,120 is a part of this and I know that you um 1614 01:10:17,120 --> 01:10:19,640 was stated that we do they do this every 1615 01:10:19,640 --> 01:10:21,159 year but this is a little bit different 1616 01:10:21,159 --> 01:10:23,120 because there's a this is the merger 1617 01:10:23,120 --> 01:10:24,520 they don't do that every 3 years this is 1618 01:10:24,520 --> 01:10:25,920 a merger 1619 01:10:25,920 --> 01:10:28,000 of facilities and it's going to change 1620 01:10:28,000 --> 01:10:29,679 something so it's not just a standard 1621 01:10:29,679 --> 01:10:32,400 contract this is about a merger so I 1622 01:10:32,400 --> 01:10:35,440 just wanted to um to make that clear and 1623 01:10:35,440 --> 01:10:39,760 also um I want I want to ask you about 1624 01:10:39,760 --> 01:10:41,760 so are you saying that if we if the 1625 01:10:41,760 --> 01:10:44,080 information is concern confirmed in 1626 01:10:44,080 --> 01:10:45,480 terms of the you know what they're 1627 01:10:45,480 --> 01:10:49,080 saying is that um where your most 1628 01:10:49,080 --> 01:10:51,320 concern is no I was just raising those 1629 01:10:51,320 --> 01:10:54,040 questions no I absolutely my my major 1630 01:10:54,040 --> 01:10:56,040 concern is um city council getting 1631 01:10:56,040 --> 01:10:57,280 involved with something that I don't 1632 01:10:57,280 --> 01:10:59,400 feel is um appropriate and in it's 1633 01:10:59,400 --> 01:11:02,280 outside the purview of city council um 1634 01:11:02,280 --> 01:11:09,120 to be passing this resolution so that's my fundamental belief okay the 1635 01:11:09,120 --> 01:11:10,480 others were just questions that I was 1636 01:11:10,480 --> 01:11:12,520 Raising I guess I was Raising those 1637 01:11:12,520 --> 01:11:16,640 questions to say that um to me that adds 1638 01:11:16,640 --> 01:11:19,040 to the fact that I think it's a 1639 01:11:19,040 --> 01:11:22,840 situation that we are not the best um 1640 01:11:22,840 --> 01:11:25,080 experts you know in terms of the 1641 01:11:25,080 --> 01:11:26,040 understand understanding of what's 1642 01:11:26,040 --> 01:11:28,440 happening in that labor negotiation to 1643 01:11:28,440 --> 01:11:31,400 make a stand on on 1644 01:11:31,400 --> 01:11:37,600 that mrle it was me so first of all I I want to say um I genuinely appreciate 1645 01:11:37,600 --> 01:11:38,920 the concerns that are being raised here 1646 01:11:38,920 --> 01:11:41,120 I think that um there is definitely 1647 01:11:41,120 --> 01:11:43,560 Merit and the concerns around like what 1648 01:11:43,560 --> 01:11:47,719 is the role of a city council and you 1649 01:11:47,719 --> 01:11:50,520 know I would I think point where I where 1650 01:11:50,520 --> 01:11:52,080 we differ is like the examples around 1651 01:11:52,080 --> 01:11:55,679 like the school district um I think that 1652 01:11:55,679 --> 01:11:57,840 what we're talking about on this issue 1653 01:11:57,840 --> 01:12:00,400 is literally in probably the most 1654 01:12:00,400 --> 01:12:02,239 explicit form of something that 1655 01:12:02,239 --> 01:12:04,080 consequences can be life or death for 1656 01:12:04,080 --> 01:12:07,239 the people that live in our city um so I 1657 01:12:07,239 --> 01:12:09,400 think that you know you don't we don't 1658 01:12:09,400 --> 01:12:13,080 need to be a medical professional per se 1659 01:12:13,080 --> 01:12:16,320 or um someone who knows the ins and outs 1660 01:12:16,320 --> 01:12:20,000 of uh what's being negotiated in order 1661 01:12:20,000 --> 01:12:23,719 to call for a fair negot to for a fair 1662 01:12:23,719 --> 01:12:25,679 negotiation to be reached because that 1663 01:12:25,679 --> 01:12:27,159 impacts the material conditions of the 1664 01:12:27,159 --> 01:12:28,920 people that live in our city and 1665 01:12:28,920 --> 01:12:30,440 probably the one of the most significant 1666 01:12:30,440 --> 01:12:32,679 ways of any other institution that's 1667 01:12:32,679 --> 01:12:34,600 existing so I think that those are the 1668 01:12:34,600 --> 01:12:38,199 compelling reasons why uh we need to get 1669 01:12:38,199 --> 01:12:39,719 involved I almost I will go to a point 1670 01:12:39,719 --> 01:12:42,280 where I feel obligated to be involved 1671 01:12:42,280 --> 01:12:44,760 and even thank you uh Madame President 1672 01:12:44,760 --> 01:12:46,880 for uh acknowledging that precedent that 1673 01:12:46,880 --> 01:12:49,000 I didn't even know existed um prior to 1674 01:12:49,000 --> 01:12:52,120 this so I I do appreciate that um 1675 01:12:52,120 --> 01:12:53,440 acknowledging that this is something 1676 01:12:53,440 --> 01:12:55,360 that is a area that city council has 1677 01:12:55,360 --> 01:12:57,719 action and before I say even if that 1678 01:12:57,719 --> 01:13:01,639 wasn't the case um this is a situation 1679 01:13:01,639 --> 01:13:05,600 where this impacts the livelihood of the 1680 01:13:05,600 --> 01:13:08,400 people that live in the city in a very 1681 01:13:08,400 --> 01:13:10,440 uh serious way and I think that any 1682 01:13:10,440 --> 01:13:15,280 issue that um Rises to that level of 1683 01:13:15,280 --> 01:13:17,960 quality of life implications we are 1684 01:13:17,960 --> 01:13:21,199 obligated I feel a strong obligation to 1685 01:13:21,199 --> 01:13:22,880 weigh in to do what's best for the 1686 01:13:22,880 --> 01:13:24,040 people that live here especially where 1687 01:13:24,040 --> 01:13:25,600 it's also something has important has 1688 01:13:25,600 --> 01:13:27,639 access to 1689 01:13:27,639 --> 01:13:31,280 um uh uh healthcare for for that 1690 01:13:31,280 --> 01:13:34,600 matter oh and also one more thing and 1691 01:13:34,600 --> 01:13:38,239 the study um a study was done um in 2023 1692 01:13:38,239 --> 01:13:39,480 this is where the um information is 1693 01:13:39,480 --> 01:13:41,120 coming by the New York State Association 1694 01:13:41,120 --> 01:13:44,920 nurses from February to November 23 1695 01:13:44,920 --> 01:13:47,840 where they uh did a study against six 1696 01:13:47,840 --> 01:13:50,679 units um and that's where um the that 1697 01:13:50,679 --> 01:13:52,280 data comes from and you can find that 1698 01:13:52,280 --> 01:13:54,000 information on their website and there's 1699 01:13:54,000 --> 01:13:56,400 also this is all public information as 1700 01:13:56,400 --> 01:13:58,520 well so you can find that on their 1701 01:13:58,520 --> 01:14:01,000 website before I go to Mr Williams I 1702 01:14:01,000 --> 01:14:03,080 just want to say thank you um and 1703 01:14:03,080 --> 01:14:05,400 appreciate what you're saying I guess I 1704 01:14:05,400 --> 01:14:10,159 will bring back that again um to me the 1705 01:14:10,159 --> 01:14:11,639 same in terms of the contract 1706 01:14:11,639 --> 01:14:13,320 negotiations that the mayor and our 1707 01:14:13,320 --> 01:14:15,639 Commissioner of Finance you know under 1708 01:14:15,639 --> 01:14:17,239 goes with our police department and our 1709 01:14:17,239 --> 01:14:19,280 fire department which are also two very 1710 01:14:19,280 --> 01:14:22,000 essential services and life or death uh 1711 01:14:22,000 --> 01:14:25,159 situations for the residents um again I 1712 01:14:25,159 --> 01:14:27,679 would say I wouldn't want to see you 1713 01:14:27,679 --> 01:14:31,120 know someone from a different governing 1714 01:14:31,120 --> 01:14:32,800 body trying to get involved in those 1715 01:14:32,800 --> 01:14:33,800 contract 1716 01:14:33,800 --> 01:14:36,280 negotiations um from outside the city as 1717 01:14:36,280 --> 01:14:39,600 well I just I just feel like it's um so 1718 01:14:39,600 --> 01:14:41,760 that's my that's my uh similar my 1719 01:14:41,760 --> 01:14:44,480 similar Point Mr Williams so I'd say in 1720 01:14:44,480 --> 01:14:46,080 my response I would say I don't see the 1721 01:14:46,080 --> 01:14:48,520 parallels because uh my argument was 1722 01:14:48,520 --> 01:14:50,719 going to start with uh since both 1723 01:14:50,719 --> 01:14:53,800 Hospital both Hospital systems are non 1724 01:14:53,800 --> 01:14:55,639 for-profits I would would categorize 1725 01:14:55,639 --> 01:14:57,719 them as public goods and I would say as 1726 01:14:57,719 --> 01:15:00,199 City servants within the city of 1727 01:15:00,199 --> 01:15:03,480 connecti uh I think advocating on the 1728 01:15:03,480 --> 01:15:06,159 functionality of any form that exists 1729 01:15:06,159 --> 01:15:08,199 within this municipality as well within 1730 01:15:08,199 --> 01:15:12,480 our purview uh with respect to um um 1731 01:15:12,480 --> 01:15:14,159 Miss Porterfield referencing that the 1732 01:15:14,159 --> 01:15:15,800 council has already made a determination 1733 01:15:15,800 --> 01:15:20,960 on on safe Staffing uh I I think it's to Mr um Farley's 1734 01:15:20,960 --> 01:15:23,600 point this is a different situation 1735 01:15:23,600 --> 01:15:25,199 where we're dealing with a merger 1736 01:15:25,199 --> 01:15:27,600 between Trinity or not Trinity uh 1737 01:15:27,600 --> 01:15:29,960 between St Peter's Health Partners and 1738 01:15:29,960 --> 01:15:32,280 uh Ellis and they function within the 1739 01:15:32,280 --> 01:15:34,520 umbrella of Trinity Health System but 1740 01:15:34,520 --> 01:15:37,040 sincerely this is a unique circumstance 1741 01:15:37,040 --> 01:15:38,920 and that these conversations have been 1742 01:15:38,920 --> 01:15:42,159 in a stalled or stagnant uh state for a 1743 01:15:42,159 --> 01:15:44,440 prolong number of months so I think in 1744 01:15:44,440 --> 01:15:45,639 understanding the context that these 1745 01:15:45,639 --> 01:15:47,719 conversations have not continued I think 1746 01:15:47,719 --> 01:15:51,199 it is incum it upon us to recognize that 1747 01:15:51,199 --> 01:15:53,080 um these nurses who truly are the 1748 01:15:53,080 --> 01:15:57,520 Cornerstone of any healthare system are asking for our assistance and 1749 01:15:57,520 --> 01:15:58,800 I think in the manner of which they're 1750 01:15:58,800 --> 01:16:00,920 requesting it it is truly us 1751 01:16:00,920 --> 01:16:02,480 highlighting the importance of getting 1752 01:16:02,480 --> 01:16:04,639 this right and with this being the 1753 01:16:04,639 --> 01:16:07,159 singular hospital system within our city 1754 01:16:07,159 --> 01:16:09,199 and with weight times being at what they 1755 01:16:09,199 --> 01:16:11,639 are I I imagine I'm not the only one 1756 01:16:11,639 --> 01:16:13,719 hearing of it I've had relatives who sat 1757 01:16:13,719 --> 01:16:16,120 in that waiting room and truly uh we've 1758 01:16:16,120 --> 01:16:18,280 already identified once that Staffing 1759 01:16:18,280 --> 01:16:20,800 safe Staffing saves lives the 1760 01:16:20,800 --> 01:16:22,199 expectations that are placed on these 1761 01:16:22,199 --> 01:16:25,639 individuals when it is in excess that 1762 01:16:25,639 --> 01:16:29,000 has a implication and and again I I 1763 01:16:29,000 --> 01:16:30,400 think it is just important for us to 1764 01:16:30,400 --> 01:16:32,040 take a moment to recognize where we are 1765 01:16:32,040 --> 01:16:34,239 at how we got here and I I do think this 1766 01:16:34,239 --> 01:16:36,400 is a decision that we are able to make 1767 01:16:36,400 --> 01:16:38,600 um and then partially to to the other 1768 01:16:38,600 --> 01:16:40,520 aspect of it I very much think if the 1769 01:16:40,520 --> 01:16:42,320 school district was in a stagnant St 1770 01:16:42,320 --> 01:16:44,040 stance also however I'm more than 1771 01:16:44,040 --> 01:16:46,360 confident that superintendent uh Coto 1772 01:16:46,360 --> 01:16:49,440 although very new uh has has well within 1773 01:16:49,440 --> 01:16:50,920 his abilities to maintain that 1774 01:16:50,920 --> 01:16:54,280 conversation uh uh well I think that 1775 01:16:54,280 --> 01:16:56,239 would also be a similar context that I 1776 01:16:56,239 --> 01:16:58,560 think I I would also be willing to make 1777 01:16:58,560 --> 01:17:00,560 and and um apply the same reasoning to 1778 01:17:00,560 --> 01:17:04,320 as well Mr Char so I guess I would just 1779 01:17:04,320 --> 01:17:06,239 add on the fact that I think that I 1780 01:17:06,239 --> 01:17:08,080 appreciate when you know council members 1781 01:17:08,080 --> 01:17:10,560 expressing their recognizing the 1782 01:17:10,560 --> 01:17:13,480 importance and support of um you know 1783 01:17:13,480 --> 01:17:17,320 our nurses and and all medical uh uh 1784 01:17:17,320 --> 01:17:20,920 care providers I just think that we 1785 01:17:20,920 --> 01:17:24,159 have an ability to demonstrate our 1786 01:17:24,159 --> 01:17:27,400 support through action and I think 1787 01:17:27,400 --> 01:17:32,040 that that is really the measure um upon 1788 01:17:32,040 --> 01:17:35,360 which not only people will recognize but 1789 01:17:35,360 --> 01:17:37,520 the measure of what will impact again 1790 01:17:37,520 --> 01:17:38,840 the material conditions of the people 1791 01:17:38,840 --> 01:17:42,440 that live in the city so and so I I 1792 01:17:42,440 --> 01:17:43,719 would 1793 01:17:43,719 --> 01:17:47,800 just welcome our the larger Council to 1794 01:17:47,800 --> 01:17:50,080 come into the conversation from that 1795 01:17:50,080 --> 01:17:52,000 entry point recognizing 1796 01:17:52,000 --> 01:17:54,520 that this isn't something that where we 1797 01:17:54,520 --> 01:17:58,880 have to to just recognize and uh and 1798 01:17:58,880 --> 01:18:00,920 appreciate in more of a symbolic nature 1799 01:18:00,920 --> 01:18:03,800 like we do have literally quite frankly 1800 01:18:03,800 --> 01:18:06,040 some skin in the game and and the people 1801 01:18:06,040 --> 01:18:08,360 that live here in the city is connected 1802 01:18:08,360 --> 01:18:11,239 really have S skin in the game here and 1803 01:18:11,239 --> 01:18:14,560 uh so I so I with all due respect and 1804 01:18:14,560 --> 01:18:16,719 genuinely appreciating that I think it's 1805 01:18:16,719 --> 01:18:18,800 important that we amplify that with all 1806 01:18:18,800 --> 01:18:22,000 the respect and really appreciating um 1807 01:18:22,000 --> 01:18:23,520 the different perspectives at the table 1808 01:18:23,520 --> 01:18:25,440 I just think that we are our position 1809 01:18:25,440 --> 01:18:26,880 that we sit and compels us to take 1810 01:18:26,880 --> 01:18:29,280 action so again I'm just going to argue 1811 01:18:29,280 --> 01:18:32,120 back on that again with respect discuss 1812 01:18:32,120 --> 01:18:34,840 back discuss that um but I do think that 1813 01:18:34,840 --> 01:18:36,960 we all support nurses I think we all you 1814 01:18:36,960 --> 01:18:38,520 know care very much about all of our 1815 01:18:38,520 --> 01:18:40,020 healthcare workers I think we 1816 01:18:40,020 --> 01:18:41,239 [Music] 1817 01:18:41,239 --> 01:18:43,800 also support the hospital I mean I think 1818 01:18:43,800 --> 01:18:46,679 it's really important that um we have 1819 01:18:46,679 --> 01:18:48,400 Ellis here and that we're able to 1820 01:18:48,400 --> 01:18:51,080 maintain Ellis here and help them be 1821 01:18:51,080 --> 01:18:53,400 stable in whatever ways they can be they 1822 01:18:53,400 --> 01:18:55,800 need they need uh that kind of stability 1823 01:18:55,800 --> 01:18:59,280 so um I think that you know again um I 1824 01:18:59,280 --> 01:19:01,520 just want to really say that not 1825 01:19:01,520 --> 01:19:03,239 supporting this resolution doesn't mean 1826 01:19:03,239 --> 01:19:05,480 that we're not that I'm I can just speak 1827 01:19:05,480 --> 01:19:08,159 for myself that I'm not supporting um 1828 01:19:08,159 --> 01:19:12,159 nurses um you know of course love nurses 1829 01:19:12,159 --> 01:19:15,239 need nurses um I think you know we need 1830 01:19:15,239 --> 01:19:17,760 to do whatever we can to assist anyone 1831 01:19:17,760 --> 01:19:20,920 that's trying to you know educate um 1832 01:19:20,920 --> 01:19:23,000 people to think about careers in any of 1833 01:19:23,000 --> 01:19:25,400 the healthcare um 1834 01:19:25,400 --> 01:19:28,719 uh subsets um that that's great you know 1835 01:19:28,719 --> 01:19:31,400 a great public message um to be to be 1836 01:19:31,400 --> 01:19:34,560 putting forth but again I really uh just 1837 01:19:34,560 --> 01:19:36,320 feel like we're stepping outside of our 1838 01:19:36,320 --> 01:19:38,600 lane if we get involved with um contract 1839 01:19:38,600 --> 01:19:42,239 negotiations at the hospital Mr Mr Mayor 1840 01:19:42,239 --> 01:19:44,520 thank you madam chair uh about three 1841 01:19:44,520 --> 01:19:46,840 years ago they were in a similar 1842 01:19:46,840 --> 01:19:50,280 position uh where both sides I'm 1843 01:19:50,280 --> 01:19:52,360 apologize I'm not quite as familiar with 1844 01:19:52,360 --> 01:19:55,639 the private sector negotiations I sector 1845 01:19:55,639 --> 01:19:56,840 but they were in what I think was a 1846 01:19:56,840 --> 01:19:59,000 cooling off period And I had the 1847 01:19:59,000 --> 01:20:02,280 opportunity to publicly urge both sides 1848 01:20:02,280 --> 01:20:04,880 to take into consideration the other 1849 01:20:04,880 --> 01:20:08,719 side's position and uh hopefully come to 1850 01:20:08,719 --> 01:20:09,840 a 1851 01:20:09,840 --> 01:20:12,840 resolution which surprisingly they did 1852 01:20:12,840 --> 01:20:14,920 and it was with a little bit of sarcasm 1853 01:20:14,920 --> 01:20:17,639 they gave me credit for bringing them 1854 01:20:17,639 --> 01:20:20,440 all together and it was so my public 1855 01:20:20,440 --> 01:20:23,080 comments there just asking them to come 1856 01:20:23,080 --> 01:20:25,159 together 1857 01:20:25,159 --> 01:20:27,239 had tremendous effect hopefully the 1858 01:20:27,239 --> 01:20:29,639 council will remember that when I put 1859 01:20:29,639 --> 01:20:34,910 messages out to you and ask for 1860 01:20:34,920 --> 01:20:38,639 help so any oh Mr fary yeah thank you 1861 01:20:38,639 --> 01:20:40,600 for that Mr May and I just I think that 1862 01:20:40,600 --> 01:20:42,880 um it's important that we recognize that 1863 01:20:42,880 --> 01:20:46,440 this is not a a a a resolution against 1864 01:20:46,440 --> 01:20:49,840 Ellis at all in fact it's a resolution 1865 01:20:49,840 --> 01:20:53,400 in support of our community and I think 1866 01:20:53,400 --> 01:20:56,600 that that is the lens that I'm using um 1867 01:20:56,600 --> 01:20:58,679 as I'm looking through this information 1868 01:20:58,679 --> 01:21:01,000 and knowing that these you know quality 1869 01:21:01,000 --> 01:21:04,840 of life and again in depth issues um is 1870 01:21:04,840 --> 01:21:07,120 really is prevent so it's not 1871 01:21:07,120 --> 01:21:09,040 necessarily you know I'm not saying 1872 01:21:09,040 --> 01:21:11,960 something against um Ellis as more as 1873 01:21:11,960 --> 01:21:13,400 what I'm saying something that is for 1874 01:21:13,400 --> 01:21:16,040 the community that's for the U material 1875 01:21:16,040 --> 01:21:17,199 conditions of the people that live here 1876 01:21:17,199 --> 01:21:19,800 and the access to um Quality Healthcare 1877 01:21:19,800 --> 01:21:22,480 is is is greatly impacted by their 1878 01:21:22,480 --> 01:21:25,159 ability to come to a fair agreement so 1879 01:21:25,159 --> 01:21:26,320 that's why I just can you know that's 1880 01:21:26,320 --> 01:21:28,159 why I'm looking to urge to do urge him 1881 01:21:28,159 --> 01:21:29,400 to do 1882 01:21:29,400 --> 01:21:34,239 so Mr T uh thank you I was wondering if any of the other council members 1883 01:21:34,239 --> 01:21:37,000 would like to share your feelings on it 1884 01:21:37,000 --> 01:21:40,199 yeah I I I just you this is um you know 1885 01:21:40,199 --> 01:21:42,320 obviously support nursing my have two 1886 01:21:42,320 --> 01:21:45,199 sister-in-laws that are are nurses are 1887 01:21:45,199 --> 01:21:48,239 work um and having been an administrator 1888 01:21:48,239 --> 01:21:51,480 for nonprofit during sensitive 1889 01:21:51,480 --> 01:21:53,679 negotiations um you know I have a 1890 01:21:53,679 --> 01:21:55,960 feeling that this for the council is an 1891 01:21:55,960 --> 01:21:57,960 overreach into an area that that we 1892 01:21:57,960 --> 01:21:59,520 don't know the sensitive Natures of the 1893 01:21:59,520 --> 01:22:01,920 negotiations that are what's happening I 1894 01:22:01,920 --> 01:22:03,920 mean coming from a place that I was 1895 01:22:03,920 --> 01:22:05,840 working there were you know we were 1896 01:22:05,840 --> 01:22:08,000 constantly getting um written up from 1897 01:22:08,000 --> 01:22:10,080 the state on not having appropriate 1898 01:22:10,080 --> 01:22:12,080 Staffing levels for several different 1899 01:22:12,080 --> 01:22:14,480 reasons and we were working very hard to 1900 01:22:14,480 --> 01:22:15,960 resolve those 1901 01:22:15,960 --> 01:22:18,800 issues um and I'm concerned that this 1902 01:22:18,800 --> 01:22:21,639 could could kind of sway or or or have a 1903 01:22:21,639 --> 01:22:24,000 bad effect I don't know the intricacies 1904 01:22:24,000 --> 01:22:25,800 of challenge Alles that that they're 1905 01:22:25,800 --> 01:22:28,280 facing in in the Staffing levels and 1906 01:22:28,280 --> 01:22:30,760 what's generating that um and I don't 1907 01:22:30,760 --> 01:22:32,960 know the nature of the negotiations and 1908 01:22:32,960 --> 01:22:35,600 conditions that are are creating a delay 1909 01:22:35,600 --> 01:22:41,760 which gives me pause to to support such a a resolution at this time I'm not 1910 01:22:41,760 --> 01:22:43,360 a 1911 01:22:43,360 --> 01:22:46,400 um it's a yeah I I I don't know what 1912 01:22:46,400 --> 01:22:48,560 else we could do to maybe encourage or 1913 01:22:48,560 --> 01:22:50,600 find get more information on what the 1914 01:22:50,600 --> 01:22:53,840 hold up is um but I just don't feel I 1915 01:22:53,840 --> 01:22:55,719 have enough information that that we 1916 01:22:55,719 --> 01:22:58,199 would um interfere with with another 1917 01:22:58,199 --> 01:23:01,120 organization's labor um 1918 01:23:01,120 --> 01:23:03,320 negotiations Mr Williams so if I can 1919 01:23:03,320 --> 01:23:04,480 just plainly ask based on your 1920 01:23:04,480 --> 01:23:05,880 definition which I appreciate you would 1921 01:23:05,880 --> 01:23:08,920 categorize the mayor's action as an 1922 01:23:08,920 --> 01:23:11,880 overreach he was I believe he you been 1923 01:23:11,880 --> 01:23:15,070 um invited 1924 01:23:15,080 --> 01:23:17,840 to I had the opportunity to make public 1925 01:23:17,840 --> 01:23:22,750 comments on the status of 1926 01:23:22,760 --> 01:23:26,400 it and 1927 01:23:26,400 --> 01:23:28,800 listen I appreciate the discussion and 1928 01:23:28,800 --> 01:23:31,760 debate we'd like them we'd like peace 1929 01:23:31,760 --> 01:23:34,679 and Harmony in community and all this 1930 01:23:34,679 --> 01:23:36,159 and 1931 01:23:36,159 --> 01:23:41,920 a if the issues on the uh 93% I've also 1932 01:23:41,920 --> 01:23:46,189 sat in a number of 1933 01:23:46,199 --> 01:23:48,800 negotiations where 1934 01:23:48,800 --> 01:23:51,440 sometimes the collective bargaining unit 1935 01:23:51,440 --> 01:23:54,120 will Advocate positions that might be 1936 01:23:54,120 --> 01:23:57,719 some distorted or a little bit 1937 01:23:57,719 --> 01:24:01,000 Amplified and so that the issue was the 1938 01:24:01,000 --> 01:24:06,480 93% which seems high to me uh council 1939 01:24:06,480 --> 01:24:10,040 could some generic wording to 1940 01:24:10,040 --> 01:24:12,800 encourage both sides to consider the 1941 01:24:12,800 --> 01:24:15,600 other side and to move toward a 1942 01:24:15,600 --> 01:24:18,159 resolution that reflects the high 1943 01:24:18,159 --> 01:24:20,280 quality of service that Ellis and its 1944 01:24:20,280 --> 01:24:22,239 staff delivered to this 1945 01:24:22,239 --> 01:24:25,000 community uh 1946 01:24:25,000 --> 01:24:26,719 I would hope you could all come together 1947 01:24:26,719 --> 01:24:30,360 on that and move it forward we're 1948 01:24:30,360 --> 01:24:31,920 working with Ellis on a number of things 1949 01:24:31,920 --> 01:24:34,870 you know that 1950 01:24:34,880 --> 01:24:38,239 the time today to transfer a patient 1951 01:24:38,239 --> 01:24:40,119 we're having trouble getting ambulances 1952 01:24:40,119 --> 01:24:42,199 sometimes to take somebody from the 1953 01:24:42,199 --> 01:24:45,400 scene to the emergency room Ellis has 1954 01:24:45,400 --> 01:24:47,320 been extremely Cooperative in terms of 1955 01:24:47,320 --> 01:24:50,960 looking at other ways of how to deliver 1956 01:24:50,960 --> 01:24:53,239 that highquality care in the most 1957 01:24:53,239 --> 01:24:55,000 appropriate manner sometimes taking 1958 01:24:55,000 --> 01:24:58,320 people to the emergency room is not the 1959 01:24:58,320 --> 01:25:02,080 optimal treatment and city of connecties 1960 01:25:02,080 --> 01:25:04,280 is leading in that in terms of some of 1961 01:25:04,280 --> 01:25:05,440 the things that we're doing with tele 1962 01:25:05,440 --> 01:25:07,639 medicine partnership with the delivery 1963 01:25:07,639 --> 01:25:10,080 of Emergency Medical Care our smart 1964 01:25:10,080 --> 01:25:11,199 cities 1965 01:25:11,199 --> 01:25:13,520 program and that only happening because 1966 01:25:13,520 --> 01:25:15,520 of the nurses it's only happening 1967 01:25:15,520 --> 01:25:17,480 because of the staff and management 1968 01:25:17,480 --> 01:25:21,320 Allis and so don't get in the Quagmire 1969 01:25:21,320 --> 01:25:25,040 here of favoring Management on too much 1970 01:25:25,040 --> 01:25:28,440 n is too much we'd like them to come to 1971 01:25:28,440 --> 01:25:29,400 some 1972 01:25:29,400 --> 01:25:34,470 agreement and again 1973 01:25:34,480 --> 01:25:36,520 allow again the high quality of 1974 01:25:36,520 --> 01:25:39,000 healthare to be delivered within this 1975 01:25:39,000 --> 01:25:43,080 community this P so um so I I will some 1976 01:25:43,080 --> 01:25:44,119 of the things I've already been stated 1977 01:25:44,119 --> 01:25:45,080 but sometimes when you go to the 1978 01:25:45,080 --> 01:25:46,760 emergency room there are 10hour weights 1979 01:25:46,760 --> 01:25:49,360 and um mayor and you spoke about um 1980 01:25:49,360 --> 01:25:51,199 having making sure that we have nurses 1981 01:25:51,199 --> 01:25:53,760 so I think in terms of this resolution 1982 01:25:53,760 --> 01:25:55,679 that is what they ask is that to make 1983 01:25:55,679 --> 01:25:57,360 sure that we have safe Staffing and we 1984 01:25:57,360 --> 01:25:59,600 have enough nurses and and that they're 1985 01:25:59,600 --> 01:26:02,440 not um not understaffed and if it means 1986 01:26:02,440 --> 01:26:05,600 that we need to to verify those things 1987 01:26:05,600 --> 01:26:08,239 um I'm of the opinion that people aren't 1988 01:26:08,239 --> 01:26:11,320 you know people do stretch it or you 1989 01:26:11,320 --> 01:26:13,040 know but I I'm of the opinion that 1990 01:26:13,040 --> 01:26:15,280 there's not going to be an a major 1991 01:26:15,280 --> 01:26:18,520 exaggeration of what's going on here so 1992 01:26:18,520 --> 01:26:20,520 I I frankly as I said we've done the 1993 01:26:20,520 --> 01:26:22,080 State Staffing before because we thought 1994 01:26:22,080 --> 01:26:24,560 it was concern and I know that I'm 1995 01:26:24,560 --> 01:26:25,880 looking around see if anybody was here 1996 01:26:25,880 --> 01:26:28,560 at the time um I so I don't know if any 1997 01:26:28,560 --> 01:26:30,679 council members are currently here but 1998 01:26:30,679 --> 01:26:32,159 you know the nurses came and said hey 1999 01:26:32,159 --> 01:26:33,880 there's a safe Staffing and and would 2000 01:26:33,880 --> 01:26:35,360 you support us in that and we did 2001 01:26:35,360 --> 01:26:37,880 because we all recognize the importance 2002 01:26:37,880 --> 01:26:40,159 of making sure because Healthcare is is 2003 01:26:40,159 --> 01:26:42,760 um important for the entire community 2004 01:26:42,760 --> 01:26:44,920 and whether you or I get the same 2005 01:26:44,920 --> 01:26:47,480 illness we're still always at the mercy 2006 01:26:47,480 --> 01:26:49,960 of of of the Health Care system that we 2007 01:26:49,960 --> 01:26:51,920 have currently here 2008 01:26:51,920 --> 01:26:57,719 so I I'm not opposed to in um asking for 2009 01:26:57,719 --> 01:26:59,719 a fair because this resolution says 2010 01:26:59,719 --> 01:27:01,280 we're asking for it to settle a fair 2011 01:27:01,280 --> 01:27:04,480 contract it's not in my opinion the 2012 01:27:04,480 --> 01:27:07,080 title is not accusatory it's simply an 2013 01:27:07,080 --> 01:27:11,199 ask so I'm I'm very much um you know in 2014 01:27:11,199 --> 01:27:14,119 support of that and um and and and 2015 01:27:14,119 --> 01:27:16,719 hospitals are required to have a safe 2016 01:27:16,719 --> 01:27:18,840 Staffing act so I'm safe Staffing 2017 01:27:18,840 --> 01:27:22,440 standards so I I I would I support this 2018 01:27:22,440 --> 01:27:24,280 and um without getting into the nitt 2019 01:27:24,280 --> 01:27:26,360 gritty of what their negotiations are 2020 01:27:26,360 --> 01:27:28,280 I'm certainly supportive of making sure 2021 01:27:28,280 --> 01:27:30,119 that we have the adequate Staffing so 2022 01:27:30,119 --> 01:27:32,400 the patients are seeing on a timely 2023 01:27:32,400 --> 01:27:34,480 basis and right now that's really not 2024 01:27:34,480 --> 01:27:35,960 happening and I think that all of us 2025 01:27:35,960 --> 01:27:38,000 have heard it from or most of us have 2026 01:27:38,000 --> 01:27:39,360 heard it from people who have visited 2027 01:27:39,360 --> 01:27:41,719 the emergency room and actually left our 2028 01:27:41,719 --> 01:27:47,560 facility to go to other um facilities I can remember 3 years back where 2029 01:27:47,560 --> 01:27:49,719 somebody told me and so it's only gotten 2030 01:27:49,719 --> 01:27:52,159 worse where they came to they lived in 2031 01:27:52,159 --> 01:27:54,560 SKC came to a hospital here but for so 2032 01:27:54,560 --> 01:27:56,840 long that they actually um went to 2033 01:27:56,840 --> 01:27:59,040 another hospital to receive care so I'm 2034 01:27:59,040 --> 01:28:02,880 not opposed to um asking that the RTI 2035 01:28:02,880 --> 01:28:05,600 the uh patient to staff ratio be 2036 01:28:05,600 --> 01:28:07,600 something that um be put in place not 2037 01:28:07,600 --> 01:28:11,480 opposed to that at all Mr Farley yeah I 2038 01:28:11,480 --> 01:28:13,119 think 2039 01:28:13,119 --> 01:28:17,639 as we don't need to uh understand like 2040 01:28:17,639 --> 01:28:20,560 the how all of the the Nuance in the 2041 01:28:20,560 --> 01:28:23,080 negotiation process to take a position 2042 01:28:23,080 --> 01:28:25,239 that aligns with the the good of the 2043 01:28:25,239 --> 01:28:27,159 larger Community I don't think that you 2044 01:28:27,159 --> 01:28:29,639 need to understand that in order to take 2045 01:28:29,639 --> 01:28:32,760 a take such a position and I think you 2046 01:28:32,760 --> 01:28:37,000 know quite frankly if the if I don't 2047 01:28:37,000 --> 01:28:39,480 care who it is if the if the if their 2048 01:28:39,480 --> 01:28:43,639 interest is aligned with um the the good 2049 01:28:43,639 --> 01:28:45,520 of accessing health care for our 2050 01:28:45,520 --> 01:28:48,080 community well then that's who I will 2051 01:28:48,080 --> 01:28:50,480 certainly take a choose a side with it I 2052 01:28:50,480 --> 01:28:52,199 don't have any problem doing that and I 2053 01:28:52,199 --> 01:28:55,000 think that the way that we demonstr 2054 01:28:55,000 --> 01:28:58,280 um what we value is to what we support 2055 01:28:58,280 --> 01:29:00,360 and I don't want to abdicate leadership 2056 01:29:00,360 --> 01:29:02,400 roles right now because there might be 2057 01:29:02,400 --> 01:29:07,000 some um other calculations or other um 2058 01:29:07,000 --> 01:29:09,239 political implications around this 2059 01:29:09,239 --> 01:29:12,560 because this is people's lives so I 2060 01:29:12,560 --> 01:29:15,280 don't think that this resolution is is 2061 01:29:15,280 --> 01:29:18,000 calling um for that but I'm see for 2062 01:29:18,000 --> 01:29:19,920 myself and say if it was I'm still going 2063 01:29:19,920 --> 01:29:22,159 to support it and Ellis and whoever else 2064 01:29:22,159 --> 01:29:24,639 will understand or won't that 2065 01:29:24,639 --> 01:29:26,600 I'm going to you know align with what's 2066 01:29:26,600 --> 01:29:28,400 going to be best for the larger health 2067 01:29:28,400 --> 01:29:31,639 of the larger Community this isn't just 2068 01:29:31,639 --> 01:29:35,520 about this isn't just about 2069 01:29:35,520 --> 01:29:39,320 um a negotiation this is about again 2070 01:29:39,320 --> 01:29:40,480 life and death for people that live in 2071 01:29:40,480 --> 01:29:42,719 the city is connecti so um I think that 2072 01:29:42,719 --> 01:29:44,320 Ellis is doing wonderful things in 2073 01:29:44,320 --> 01:29:46,400 certain places and I think that there's 2074 01:29:46,400 --> 01:29:49,080 places that um that that that they could 2075 01:29:49,080 --> 01:29:51,280 be doing better so as I'll be the first 2076 01:29:51,280 --> 01:29:52,679 one to sing their praises when things 2077 01:29:52,679 --> 01:29:56,440 are happening well um um I think that 2078 01:29:56,440 --> 01:29:58,239 encouraging them to come to a fair 2079 01:29:58,239 --> 01:29:59,920 agreement that impacts the uh 2080 01:29:59,920 --> 01:30:01,480 livelihoods of the people that live here 2081 01:30:01,480 --> 01:30:03,119 you got to do it I mean you got to take 2082 01:30:03,119 --> 01:30:04,920 a position I think not taking a position 2083 01:30:04,920 --> 01:30:06,159 is still taking a position if we're 2084 01:30:06,159 --> 01:30:07,679 going to be honest about it so that's 2085 01:30:07,679 --> 01:30:10,000 just how I feel about yeah I guess I 2086 01:30:10,000 --> 01:30:12,560 really will disagree with that um I 2087 01:30:12,560 --> 01:30:14,840 again um I'm glad that we're able to 2088 01:30:14,840 --> 01:30:16,679 have these kinds of conversations but I 2089 01:30:16,679 --> 01:30:19,560 guess I do feel like beyond the fact 2090 01:30:19,560 --> 01:30:21,040 that I feel like this is not in our 2091 01:30:21,040 --> 01:30:24,679 purview I also feel like it's almost 2092 01:30:24,679 --> 01:30:26,840 it is almost making an assumption that 2093 01:30:26,840 --> 01:30:28,840 they're that they aren't being fair with 2094 01:30:28,840 --> 01:30:32,040 one another um in their negotiations so 2095 01:30:32,040 --> 01:30:34,679 I don't want to go down that path either 2096 01:30:34,679 --> 01:30:37,560 um I I would certainly support a 2097 01:30:37,560 --> 01:30:39,960 resolution by city council supporting 2098 01:30:39,960 --> 01:30:42,159 all the healthcare workers and and 2099 01:30:42,159 --> 01:30:44,480 thanking Ellis um and all of its 2100 01:30:44,480 --> 01:30:46,760 healthcare workers for the Quality 2101 01:30:46,760 --> 01:30:48,440 Health Care that they provide to all of 2102 01:30:48,440 --> 01:30:51,880 our residents um and not you know 2103 01:30:51,880 --> 01:30:53,199 anything to do with the contract 2104 01:30:53,199 --> 01:30:54,840 negotiations so I certainly would 2105 01:30:54,840 --> 01:30:57,119 support something like that I also would 2106 01:30:57,119 --> 01:30:59,040 support um you 2107 01:30:59,040 --> 01:31:02,719 know having a presentation by by uh Paul 2108 01:31:02,719 --> 01:31:05,119 Milton um coming in to answer some of 2109 01:31:05,119 --> 01:31:08,679 the questions but my bottom line is that 2110 01:31:08,679 --> 01:31:14,639 um you know I I won't be supporting this resolution but so let me try to are 2111 01:31:14,639 --> 01:31:15,700 there other comments or 2112 01:31:15,700 --> 01:31:16,880 [Music] 2113 01:31:16,880 --> 01:31:19,480 questions yeah I got one more comment 2114 01:31:19,480 --> 01:31:21,239 okay I just think and I again I 2115 01:31:21,239 --> 01:31:22,480 appreciate the fact that we can have 2116 01:31:22,480 --> 01:31:25,440 these conversations um and I just think 2117 01:31:25,440 --> 01:31:26,679 that you 2118 01:31:26,679 --> 01:31:29,679 know when we when we say as council 2119 01:31:29,679 --> 01:31:31,199 members you 2120 01:31:31,199 --> 01:31:33,800 know sometimes we 2121 01:31:33,800 --> 01:31:35,880 can understand that two things can be 2122 01:31:35,880 --> 01:31:39,360 true right that you can support um 2123 01:31:39,360 --> 01:31:40,639 someone 2124 01:31:40,639 --> 01:31:42,679 something 2125 01:31:42,679 --> 01:31:45,159 um and still have a different 2126 01:31:45,159 --> 01:31:47,719 perspective on some uh I think that that 2127 01:31:47,719 --> 01:31:51,119 is doable and and and understandable but 2128 01:31:51,119 --> 01:31:53,320 I think that when there's to speak to 2129 01:31:53,320 --> 01:31:55,239 like the general resol or general 2130 01:31:55,239 --> 01:31:57,960 resolution of supporting all healthare 2131 01:31:57,960 --> 01:32:00,000 that would be great because I and I 2132 01:32:00,000 --> 01:32:02,080 think that if we look not too far back 2133 01:32:02,080 --> 01:32:05,040 in our recent past when covid hit you 2134 01:32:05,040 --> 01:32:06,960 know and these people were literally the 2135 01:32:06,960 --> 01:32:08,600 lifeline of the community putting their 2136 01:32:08,600 --> 01:32:10,880 lives on the line every single day we 2137 01:32:10,880 --> 01:32:12,760 would share things on social media and 2138 01:32:12,760 --> 01:32:15,520 share and clap for them and in way but 2139 01:32:15,520 --> 01:32:18,000 now it's time for us to take some action 2140 01:32:18,000 --> 01:32:19,639 I think that we need to do that because 2141 01:32:19,639 --> 01:32:22,960 if not in my opinion it becomes 2142 01:32:22,960 --> 01:32:24,400 performative 2143 01:32:24,400 --> 01:32:25,960 and really inadequate way of 2144 01:32:25,960 --> 01:32:28,639 demonstrating that we support um not 2145 01:32:28,639 --> 01:32:30,520 just our healthcare workers but again 2146 01:32:30,520 --> 01:32:31,920 the overall health of our larger 2147 01:32:31,920 --> 01:32:35,719 Community cuz that's the implications of of the conversations that are 2148 01:32:35,719 --> 01:32:37,360 happening 2149 01:32:37,360 --> 01:32:41,560 now so I guess um we would need a motion 2150 01:32:41,560 --> 01:32:44,070 in a 2151 01:32:44,080 --> 01:32:45,840 second I'm 2152 01:32:45,840 --> 01:32:49,870 mooving is there a 2153 01:32:49,880 --> 01:32:53,119 second okay so what happens is if there 2154 01:32:53,119 --> 01:32:55,480 it fails in committee the uh sponsor can 2155 01:32:55,480 --> 01:32:58,960 get a a co-sponsor to bring it on to the 2156 01:32:58,960 --> 01:33:03,320 floor up to the rules thank 2157 01:33:03,320 --> 01:33:07,199 you so what is my next at this point 2158 01:33:07,199 --> 01:33:09,320 it's the motion is failed but the 2159 01:33:09,320 --> 01:33:12,199 sponsor can get a co-sponsor we going on 2160 01:33:12,199 --> 01:33:15,760 to build so I would like a motion to 2161 01:33:15,760 --> 01:33:18,880 adjourn he and Recreation so and a 2162 01:33:18,880 --> 01:33:25,119 second okay all in favor I thank you 2163 01:33:25,119 --> 01:33:26,400 so I'd like to call the claims committee 2164 01:33:26,400 --> 01:33:28,199 to order U we have two items on the 2165 01:33:28,199 --> 01:33:29,840 agenda tonight both of which will 2166 01:33:29,840 --> 01:33:31,600 require executive session I have a 2167 01:33:31,600 --> 01:33:40,189 motion executive 2168 01:33:40,199 --> 01:33:44,280 session have second second all in 2169 01:33:44,280 --> 01:33:46,400 favor ex 2170 01:33:46,400 --> 01:33:48,560 session oh yes so members of the public 2171 01:33:48,560 --> 01:33:50,400 will have to leave and then when we um 2172 01:33:50,400 --> 01:33:51,920 just for the council what I'm going to 2173 01:33:51,920 --> 01:33:54,679 do is reconvene um 2174 01:33:54,679 --> 01:33:58,760 City development planning so we can Mr 2175 01:33:58,760 --> 01:34:00,639 yeah you want res we get there and Mr 2176 01:34:00,639 --> 01:34:02,119 Gillan can then 2177 01:34:02,119 --> 01:34:06,520 say all right so oh no members of the 2178 01:34:06,520 --> 01:34:07,639 public but you we're going have wait 2179 01:34:07,639 --> 01:34:12,710 till we shut it down 2180 01:34:12,720 --> 01:34:21,819 [Music]