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ERS connected city council committee

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meeting for Monday June 3rd

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2024 um the first item on the agenda is

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listed as a quarterly financial report

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for 2024 uh but both Mr Ferrari and Mr

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Guk are out um and so that will not

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happen but I would like to ask the mayor

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if there's some way we can get this on

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the agenda this is my third request D

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was going to be here tonight uh

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diagnosed with Co and is showing s so um

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well like I said this is the third

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request if it if it if it's necessary we

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ask like an outside party to look at our

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budget and then do the presentation um I

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don't want us I don't think any of us

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want to go through what we went through

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the last budget season so I'm just

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trying to keep get get us up to speed so

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we can go through the process and ask

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any questions and we provide monthly

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reports the information's there if you

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have a specific question good chance I

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could answer it or go back and have

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staff put it together uh I don't have

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specific questions today but my request

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was for them to just go through ask for

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our Revenue versus what we spent just so

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we can hear it in that format okay but

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we're giving you the reports on that so

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don't know produ that have a specific

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question to hear the revenue and

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expenses so I know that you we did in

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writing but I wanted a verbal um report

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for that that's what we were asking for

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S spreadsheet just read to you no well

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because we may have discussions but I'd

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like I'd like us find that person to be

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here I anticipate somebody will be here

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next Monday night I apologize D was

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supposed to be here his wife was

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diagnosed with Co and he became uh

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symptomatic and is off but in two weeks

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though right for the next committee

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meeting yes okay thank

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you finance Finance thank you I would

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like to call the finance committee to

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order and first item is a supplemental

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Bond ordinance for Rice River Road

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treatment

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plan must

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good evening good evening good

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even actually tonight I have um Mike

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Mill Mike m is our consultant from cha

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who's been putting the project together

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for the rice World treatment facility um

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he's very versed in the additional cost

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that are associated with the project

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first phase um and in the second phase

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um because we are trying to make a

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redundant project so um I'm going to let

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m speak if you have any questions

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um it's Mike

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Miller thank you very much

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mik questions

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already we all

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set

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than yeah the um phase one work has been

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updated as we move through the design

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essentially there's a number of um

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components which are resulting and the

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increased cost uh first of all uh the

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floration improvements were originally

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scheduled to be part of the phase two

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work M um we did receive almost a

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million dollars in grant money on that

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and because the state has been taking so

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long to close on the financing that

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project is actually started and it's

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almost completed so we're rolling it

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into the Phase One financing because

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that's going to close within months if

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we wait it to the phase two financing

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we'll probably be waiting another 6 to 9

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months so this will allow the city to

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put in for those uh reimbursements and

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get that money back in Pocket because to

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date we've been paying those project

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costs out of out of our accounts keeping

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the contractor hold okay so that that

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works lit up uh the second big component

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of it really deals with resiliency and

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redundancy of the water

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system um the state is really pushing

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for people to look at the resiliency of

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these facilities and really evaluate

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what happen happens with climate change

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and particularly with when you're within

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a flood zone which we are so we went

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back and we did an assessment with the

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city and what we found was if we lost

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one building one the main building it

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was going to take our water supply out

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and if we lost that building whether it

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be because of a flood or because of a

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fire or some other incident uh we

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probably had 24 to 48 hours worth of

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water before we dried up mhm so as part

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of the project what we've done is we've

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created this resiliency Zone that Co

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that that coincides with the new pumps

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that we've been installing so that if

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anything happens to that building the

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city will be able to operate this

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resiliency Zone independently and

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maintain water supply to the city okay

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so that work entails bringing in a new

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power service which is very

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expensive um I think we all know with

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that over the years

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so we got a new power feed coming into

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the facility to feed the resiliency Zone

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as well as the um Transformers and all

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the electrical equipment to support that

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and then we are making some additional

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improvements that were not originally

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planned to one of the pump stations to

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create this resiliency zone so that we

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could maintain our

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demand and then uh lastly in the spirit

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of full disclosure there is a lot of

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work flooding the market and so there

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are some Market conditions as well that are driving the cost up a little

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bit but to date we have secured almost

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$4 million worth of grant funding for

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the phase one work so that brings the

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that will bring that Finance amount down

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by that

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amount we can apply for more grant money

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now this year yeah that we are going to

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be applying for more grant money for

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phase two so the next phase of the

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project that's why you'll see within the

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packets there's a phase one and then a

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phase two phase one we're updating

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because we are getting set to go to

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financing and we want to make sure that

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there's nothing preventing us from

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closing that Financial agreement with

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EFC so that we can start uh getting

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reimbursed for the cost in for to dat

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okay okay any questions on the phase one

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goe please so I see um it's great that

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you got the $4 million congratulations

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and I appreciate that you're applying

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for more grants um it seems like so the

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4 million is already

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the 137401 173 already reflects it does

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not oh so now we're down to 9 million

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something correct okay correct which is

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roughly a couple million dollars more

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than what we had originally planned to

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bond or that was in the original bond

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amount okay thank you

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yeah um question for the mayor would

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this um qualify under the co

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infrastructure Grant um to the

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state Co we're getting under the weia

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money on this so we are getting WEA

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money and that's under the co the state

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um infrastructure grounds is that the

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bipartisan money B money are you

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referring to the bill money the

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bipartisan infrastructure law money the we program there's a number of

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federal

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programs that essentially through the um the Federal Acts and that

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money tends to roll back through the

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states through these Define programs

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within the state so within New York

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state that's wqp grants for clean water

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it's WEA grants for water waste water

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and then there's separate bill grants

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that come in as well as 0% interest

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financing and things like that yeah this is funding that was passed by

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Congress for uh Co and it's primarily um

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driven toward infrastructure to the

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state and the city or the town or

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Village would apply to the state for

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funding

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that's part of the bipartisan

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infrastructure yeah maybe

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has I think it's all part of the buildy

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okay any other questions you goe please

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so I know you're saying that due to kind

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of market conditions prices are are

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starting to increase is there any way of

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like how we can manage

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um how we are is there any things that we can manage to I guess how we're

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going about this to kind of offset some

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of that like is it like a a faster to

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like spending the money or something

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like that um that would help mitigate

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some of that or unfortunately the best

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advice I can give us is to push as many

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contracts out as soon as we can to try

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and time them at the right times in the

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year which is you know late fall early

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winter so the contractors hopefully are

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still trying to fill their tills if you

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let these things slide until the spring

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uh the contractors already have you know

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a lot of work and they either want to

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push it out even further or quite

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frankly they're just not aggressive with

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their bidding they're like I don't need

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the work so I'll give you a price and uh

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you know if you want me to do it bad

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enough you'll pay me that money so the

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best advice is to just keep moving

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forward and to keep accelerating and get

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the work out as quickly as we can some

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components we do purchase separately

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though we do for the pump station we

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roughly $900,000 uh through sourcewell

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we purchase through the city to the

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generators that way we avoid the markup

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from the contractors so certain items um

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on equipment we can do that um as long

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as it's you know through Source well um

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it's a state contract and we did that

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the pump station the sa SL and thank you

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again for being aggressive and pursuing

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some of that grant funding I know that

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that's not easy work either just to even

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kind of get in the running for that so

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appreciate it oh it's fun to get grant

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money it's great to get

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it goodness thank you should I remind

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you we got $26 million in grant money

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for the for the pump station was last

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year any

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seeing none we have a motion on item

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number

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one second second all in favor I I item

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number two supplemental Bond ordinance

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for

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r Rice Road treatment plan phase

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two all right so this is this is the

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next phase of the project same same

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project out at the water treatment plant

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uh this work involves an emergency

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interconnection with the town of reram roughly a million

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dollars to make that connection it

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improves and up it updates and creates

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the resiliency uh zone for the chlorine

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system we include the emergency

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generator within this work so that's one

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of those things where we can try and

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work through the state contract to

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procure that directly and the state

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markup on that because that's probably a

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million dollar generator again uh we've

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got miscellaneous building improvements

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that will bring these buildings you know

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up to date and prevent it prevent reg

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groupage we're replacing a lot of roofs

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on a lot of the buildings and then some

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security and ska improvements as well

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out of the time so what we're really

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trying to do with phase one and phase

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two quite frankly is to get the money

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invested in the

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facilities and uh be in a good position

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moving forward I think one of the things

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that that we try to strive is to take

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advantage of the grant money while it's

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on the table because unfortunately none

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of us know how long these programs are

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really going to last so we are

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aggressively pushing forward with a lot

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of this work trying to secure as much

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grant money as we

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can go ahead please and Mr chairman I'm

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not quite sure what you're referring to

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if you can send me to make sure that

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we're following up on it I will do I

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will send you an email a

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copy 12 calls there 10 of them were put

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in in the 40s um the newest two were in

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the mid 60s so um and out of the 12

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we're down to eight so with the three

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new wells that have been tapped already

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you know you know bring us to 11 um so

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this is um you know they they've gotten

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to their end of their life they're

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running towards the end of their life

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cycle so question oh go ahead please y

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could you tell me the timeline on this

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work uh once

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we we're hoping to have the uh last

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contract for phase one out towards the

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end of the year so again we want to hit

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that bidding cycle and then the phase

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two work we're trying to get financing

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set for next year so the way this works

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is generally they'll let us know in

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December of this year if the financing

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is in place and then we'll probably

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close on that towards the mid part of

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next year so next year will probably be

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a design year in terms of moving that

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forward and we'll be trying to hit that

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bidding Market towards the end of next

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year

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again thank you very much any other

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question on item number

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two seeing none may have a motion to

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move item number two second all in favor

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I thank you any other business for

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finance I have a motion to Mo second all in favor thank thank you PA

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you problem thank you okay I'd like to

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call the order government operations we

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have one item on the agenda um this is

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the discussion regarding the conflict in

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Gaza um as you know we've been receiving

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multiple emails and people have have

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been coming down um to the council

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meetings um sharing their concerns and

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suggesting actions that the city council

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could take um with that I'm going to uh

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pass over to kind of President pfield so

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you can kind of FR that for us a little

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bit thank you Mr Carley so as as he said

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that we know that people have been

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coming to the council meetings and um uh

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asking us to make a to to uh take a

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position there have been meetings that

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have taken place outside of um people

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coming to the Council meetings there was

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a considered effort um by council member

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Williams and council member Farley to

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bring the two groups together which is

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what something I've been suggesting from

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beginning but anyway they were able to

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do it however the final outcome was not

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what we had hoped where the groups would

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then to come together and come up with a

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document that they could agree up on

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that just did not um could not take

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place um so at this point in time we've

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been we've received um documents from uh

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both groups also an additional document

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that was uh forwarded to us by council

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member Patrick for us to take into

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consideration and for this Council to at

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this time have this discussion about

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where we are with this I just to want to

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reiterate that this discussion is

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amongst council members and we're at

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tonight is not for for public comment or

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input so

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um you know we um not saying we're

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anybody you know needs to take a

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position tonight but I think that we

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definitely need to have the discussion

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because there's been multiple

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conversations one-on ones and various

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ones and um so but as a council I think

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we need to come to the place where we

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have a discussion and then um decide how

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to move forward Miss Patrick yes um so I

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would like to first of all i' would like

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to um definitely say for the record that

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I put in my resolution a couple of weeks

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ago but it was not added to the

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legislative agenda because there was um

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the idea that another resolution was

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going to come forward by two of my

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colleagues that didn't happen um so now

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I put my resolution back in and tonight

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we were handed uh the additional

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information um as we were coming into

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the meeting so I don't think we've had a

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chance to review uh these other

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resolutions however I do want to state

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that I think that we should review my

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resolution which is basically indicating

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that I I believe that City C it's not

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appropriate for city council to get

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involved in an international matter

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whether it's this one or any other

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conflict

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uh around the world I think if we have

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that discussion and we can agree upon my

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resolution then the other two

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resolutions we won't need to talk about

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um because basically we will pass a

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resolution saying that we don't want to

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be uh necessarily considering uh the

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other

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resolutions pres yes um and i' just like

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to add some clarity about the resolution

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I specifically ask you if we could put

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it off for a couple weeks I didn't just

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not put it on the agenda so I just want

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to be clear that I asked you if we could

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put it off any year in agreement with

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that okay it's not my memory

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necessarily it it is what happened in

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the future I'll send an email but I

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asked if You' wait because there were

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discussions Our Hope was that it did not

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get to this uh to a place where there

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was going to be you know contention in

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council member versus council member so

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I asked if we could do that and

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hopefully the two groups were which

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were having differences of opinions

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could come up with something which is

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why the meetings were convened and that

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was the hope and that was you know the

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guiding force behind that

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so just want to lend that Clarity to

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that so I guess for me um and I we'll

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speak for myself when I say this I think

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that I can appreciate honestly like the

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opinion that you know it might not be I I don't know that if you know there

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were a if there were a resolution to be

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passed that it would necessarily change

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the material conditions of the people

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who are am miss this conflict I think

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that I I I don't um that's not lost on

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me I think um my intention was to talk

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with people who have varying

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perspectives to see like where are the

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points of alignment what I will say that

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um the conversations that I was privy to

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um there was some there was a lot of

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points of alignment and I think that

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anytime we talk about something that has

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the potential to become so contentious

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is that we do Focus there so my

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intention was to kind of let's start

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there what we um can agree on and um and

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then we can work on like or what's the

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best process in order to uh bring these

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things about and also I believe in being

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responsive to people who have you know

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been in contact with us um through uh

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emails phone calls and coming down I

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just think that it's you know I feel

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obligated to um make sure that people

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are listening to and that whatever

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decision we make we make an informed

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decision and we can only do that truly

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by kind of listening um to the VAR

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varying perspectives

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so are we taking these resolutions one

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by one how are we doing this well I

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think that uh yeah I think that we need

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to uh you know I didn't think that we

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were going to get into a place tonight

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where um we were going to

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uh well discussion M Mr W so I can

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understand that and think to M Patrick's

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Point we start with the resolution that

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she presented forward and I kind of

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start based on my understanding of how

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this entire conversation was presented

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to the city council uh I was definitely

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someone more in favor of trying to allow

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this discussion to take place outside of

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the council uh allowing some of our

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faith-based communities to have this

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initial discussion and then present us

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with an option we move forward based on

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a number of issues just outside of the

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overall complexity of this issue and

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when that did not continue or when that

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did not uh exist uh I I was aware of the

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email that you forwarded to the council

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um however I want to be clear with one very intentional item uh was this a

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resolution that you wrote personally or it's not as I've indicated every time

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I've sent it out which is more than one

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time that it was adapted from a similar

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statement that was done by the Allington

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County Board

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um so I just I I really literally just

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adapted it to make it for connecting

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right and then by adapted it changed the

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language differentiating the Arlington

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County Board to SC yes any other pretty

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much there might have been some other

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minor grammatical changes that I didn't

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think were you know like commas and

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stuff uh from the original but I would

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say minor in that there was the

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replacement of their state elected

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officials but outside of that I didn't

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see any other adjustments um but

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reason my uh personal perception of

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passing this at this point in stage is

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that we've already fielded a number of

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Council meetings where we've heard from

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individuals both locally from our

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community and outside from both sides

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indicating uh the request for just a

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response from our Council and I sign

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wholeheartedly think that this outcome

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to pass this type of resolution I think

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has been

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missed what I'm sorry I didn't hear has

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been missed I think the timeline for us

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to consider and P this after having

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heard Council meetings um I think for to

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be exact I think to then say to those

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individuals again from both sides that

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we are going to elect to not respond I I

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think reflects a certain city council

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that I I did not become a member

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of I don't think it's us not responding

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I think it's us responding by saying

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that we're not going to get involved in

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an international matter and that we're

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going to see that as we move forward as

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well in case other uh items like this

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come forward to the city council so that

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is our response that is a

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response Mr Williams but I would say

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that response is very biased towards one

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side and that's where the hesitation is

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how is this biased towards one side it's

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not biased towards one side the the the

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perception of of not responding is

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biased towards individuals that would

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appreciate not seeing a

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response that doesn't seem to make sense

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to me but I'd like to hear from my

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colleagues I'm in total agreement with

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Miss Patrick um you know we we have

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enough to worry about in our city um

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being elected and and we're responsible

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to our constituents the residents of our

550
00:26:29,080 --> 00:26:32,080
city everyone that we serve um and I

551
00:26:32,080 --> 00:26:33,760
think we've just wasted a little bit too

552
00:26:33,760 --> 00:26:36,480
much time on this my heart pours out for

553
00:26:36,480 --> 00:26:38,880
both sides that I hear that come on my

554
00:26:38,880 --> 00:26:43,159
on a personal level it's not our

555
00:26:43,159 --> 00:26:47,269
responsibility uh to pass a

556
00:26:47,279 --> 00:26:52,159
resolution um for either side or jointly

557
00:26:52,159 --> 00:26:54,880
together um I would hope that that they

558
00:26:54,880 --> 00:26:56,760
could work on a resolution or or or

559
00:26:56,760 --> 00:26:58,760
solving something themselves

560
00:26:58,760 --> 00:27:01,200
but at this point um and they're more

561
00:27:01,200 --> 00:27:03,520
than welcome to come to every council

562
00:27:03,520 --> 00:27:05,880
meeting and and and I'll listen to them

563
00:27:05,880 --> 00:27:08,200
and I'll understand what they're saying

564
00:27:08,200 --> 00:27:09,600
um but I don't think it's our

565
00:27:09,600 --> 00:27:14,279
responsibility right now to um to even

566
00:27:14,279 --> 00:27:16,240
consider a resolution I would support

567
00:27:16,240 --> 00:27:17,480
Miss

568
00:27:17,480 --> 00:27:20,200
Patrick's

569
00:27:20,200 --> 00:27:24,480
letter so um you know the I'm glad we're

570
00:27:24,480 --> 00:27:26,840
having this conversation and um The

571
00:27:26,840 --> 00:27:28,679
Passion of people that have come and

572
00:27:28,679 --> 00:27:31,799
talk to us and presented to us um you

573
00:27:31,799 --> 00:27:33,240
know what's happening in the Middle East

574
00:27:33,240 --> 00:27:36,440
is De deeply concerning but I I wouldn't

575
00:27:36,440 --> 00:27:38,360
I would not support a ceasefire

576
00:27:38,360 --> 00:27:41,919
resolution I think as what's said is our

577
00:27:41,919 --> 00:27:45,679
focus should be on the issues that are

578
00:27:45,679 --> 00:27:49,000
directly um impacting our our citizens

579
00:27:49,000 --> 00:27:51,960
whether infrastructure education um I

580
00:27:51,960 --> 00:27:53,720
think a resolution would have minimal

581
00:27:53,720 --> 00:27:56,640
effect if any um that should be left to

582
00:27:56,640 --> 00:27:59,519
the federal represent

583
00:27:59,519 --> 00:28:01,480
I I think what was said here that the

584
00:28:01,480 --> 00:28:03,320
groups couldn't come to an agreement

585
00:28:03,320 --> 00:28:05,600
kind of tells us it's a it's a very

586
00:28:05,600 --> 00:28:07,960
diverse issue and we have a very diverse

587
00:28:07,960 --> 00:28:10,679
population of residents and taking a

588
00:28:10,679 --> 00:28:12,360
Firm Stance I think would create

589
00:28:12,360 --> 00:28:16,120
unnecessary further division um so I I I

590
00:28:16,120 --> 00:28:18,240
think we could Foster in dialogue as

591
00:28:18,240 --> 00:28:20,000
it's been happening continue doing that

592
00:28:20,000 --> 00:28:23,279
among the parties and and and I'm

593
00:28:23,279 --> 00:28:25,880
encouraging that approach but I just I I

594
00:28:25,880 --> 00:28:28,919
can't get behind a passing ceasefire

595
00:28:28,919 --> 00:28:31,559
resolution I think it's it would do more

596
00:28:31,559 --> 00:28:33,440
um harm than good I think it would be

597
00:28:33,440 --> 00:28:36,600
more divisive um maybe maybe for us but

598
00:28:36,600 --> 00:28:38,600
maybe for the residents I've spoken to

599
00:28:38,600 --> 00:28:42,600
many residents and and you know their question was why are you even

600
00:28:42,600 --> 00:28:45,120
entertaining this and um but I think we

601
00:28:45,120 --> 00:28:47,120
need to from the folks that we've heard

602
00:28:47,120 --> 00:28:48,640
too I think that's real important that

603
00:28:48,640 --> 00:28:51,519
we hear from them um and and for me I

604
00:28:51,519 --> 00:28:53,519
think it it's responsible to say you

605
00:28:53,519 --> 00:28:55,320
know we won't support a ceasefire for

606
00:28:55,320 --> 00:28:56,200
these

607
00:28:56,200 --> 00:28:59,320
reasons um and and uh but because that's

608
00:28:59,320 --> 00:29:01,840
a little bit outside of our purview and

609
00:29:01,840 --> 00:29:04,039
that's my thoughts and feelings on

610
00:29:04,039 --> 00:29:06,840
this so I guess what I would say um

611
00:29:06,840 --> 00:29:08,679
listen to what my fellow council members

612
00:29:08,679 --> 00:29:10,600
is saying and again I do appreciate your

613
00:29:10,600 --> 00:29:13,840
input on this and I can understand why

614
00:29:13,840 --> 00:29:16,039
um I think I'm in agreement that I think

615
00:29:16,039 --> 00:29:19,919
the uh what the how impactful a

616
00:29:19,919 --> 00:29:23,720
resolution uh would be um to the uh the

617
00:29:23,720 --> 00:29:25,399
conflict guys I don't know that it will

618
00:29:25,399 --> 00:29:30,320
have much impact at all um my L was okay

619
00:29:30,320 --> 00:29:32,559
let's talk to the let's talk and be

620
00:29:32,559 --> 00:29:34,919
responsive to the needs of the people

621
00:29:34,919 --> 00:29:38,399
who have come before us who have said a

622
00:29:38,399 --> 00:29:40,760
resolution means this for me and my

623
00:29:40,760 --> 00:29:44,279
community or not having a resolution

624
00:29:44,279 --> 00:29:47,360
means this for me in my in my respective

625
00:29:47,360 --> 00:29:50,600
Community um so I think that really what

626
00:29:50,600 --> 00:29:52,960
you know I guess what I would again like

627
00:29:52,960 --> 00:29:55,159
to highlight is that we had Varan

628
00:29:55,159 --> 00:29:57,760
perspectives at the table um and it's

629
00:29:57,760 --> 00:29:58,720
not

630
00:29:58,720 --> 00:30:00,120
wasn't necessarily this or that

631
00:30:00,120 --> 00:30:01,320
conversation there was a lot of

632
00:30:01,320 --> 00:30:03,000
alignment and the alignment that we

633
00:30:03,000 --> 00:30:06,159
heard was around like you know peace

634
00:30:06,159 --> 00:30:08,919
everyone wants peace and everyone um

635
00:30:08,919 --> 00:30:12,120
wants people on either side of the

636
00:30:12,120 --> 00:30:14,480
conflict to stop suffering losses to

637
00:30:14,480 --> 00:30:16,960
civilians and children and families and

638
00:30:16,960 --> 00:30:19,640
women and and and and and marginalized

639
00:30:19,640 --> 00:30:21,760
vulnerable uh pors of the community that

640
00:30:21,760 --> 00:30:24,320
was something that was a shared uh

641
00:30:24,320 --> 00:30:26,240
expressed value at in the conversation

642
00:30:26,240 --> 00:30:28,320
that I winess for so anytime that we

643
00:30:28,320 --> 00:30:30,519
have something we can align and say

644
00:30:30,519 --> 00:30:34,360
okay everyone wants seems to want peace

645
00:30:34,360 --> 00:30:37,279
then the conversation is how do we

646
00:30:37,279 --> 00:30:39,760
support that being an outcome and that's

647
00:30:39,760 --> 00:30:42,840
where the resolution no resolution um

648
00:30:42,840 --> 00:30:44,919
conversation um started to take place so

649
00:30:44,919 --> 00:30:48,279
again um I think we take positions on in

650
00:30:48,279 --> 00:30:50,799
the council uh

651
00:30:50,799 --> 00:30:54,640
that impact you know that that really

652
00:30:54,640 --> 00:30:56,399
represent the the best interest of the

653
00:30:56,399 --> 00:30:59,399
people that live in our city and

654
00:30:59,399 --> 00:31:01,320
I think that we that we're obligated I

655
00:31:01,320 --> 00:31:04,080
feel an obligation to consider um those

656
00:31:04,080 --> 00:31:05,960
things and that's why so I I that's kind

657
00:31:05,960 --> 00:31:07,399
of a long-winded way of saying that's

658
00:31:07,399 --> 00:31:09,120
our response to anyone would say why are

659
00:31:09,120 --> 00:31:11,919
you even considering this because as a

660
00:31:11,919 --> 00:31:13,240
leader in the community people are

661
00:31:13,240 --> 00:31:14,440
coming to us to saying that this is

662
00:31:14,440 --> 00:31:16,519
something that is impacting them and

663
00:31:16,519 --> 00:31:18,559
their safety within our community so I

664
00:31:18,559 --> 00:31:20,399
think that again we're obligated to do

665
00:31:20,399 --> 00:31:22,880
so Mr Williams and with the same context

666
00:31:22,880 --> 00:31:25,279
of being a responsive government I can

667
00:31:25,279 --> 00:31:27,360
understand and definitely agree with

668
00:31:27,360 --> 00:31:30,120
during our ini IAL phone calls with um

669
00:31:30,120 --> 00:31:31,679
members from the prop Palestinian

670
00:31:31,679 --> 00:31:33,919
Community are asking for a ceasefire I

671
00:31:33,919 --> 00:31:35,960
was very open and saying that I was not

672
00:31:35,960 --> 00:31:37,320
confident that a resolution would

673
00:31:37,320 --> 00:31:39,120
achieve some of their objectives however

674
00:31:39,120 --> 00:31:40,960
due to the continuous nature of their

675
00:31:40,960 --> 00:31:43,480
convers of their uh attendance at our

676
00:31:43,480 --> 00:31:45,760
Council meetings uh wanting to again be

677
00:31:45,760 --> 00:31:48,880
representative as a u an advocate from

678
00:31:48,880 --> 00:31:51,120
this community trying to identify in

679
00:31:51,120 --> 00:31:52,679
part to what Mr farther was highlighting

680
00:31:52,679 --> 00:31:54,559
can we get to that common ground and

681
00:31:54,559 --> 00:31:58,440
what quickly became apparent was that that

682
00:31:58,440 --> 00:32:01,240
is unable to to be achieved uh so and

683
00:32:01,240 --> 00:32:03,720
then trying to be responsive to to the

684
00:32:03,720 --> 00:32:06,679
needs or requests of either communities

685
00:32:06,679 --> 00:32:09,799
again I I I lay with to say that passing

686
00:32:09,799 --> 00:32:11,200
something would cause F attention I

687
00:32:11,200 --> 00:32:12,440
would argue that attention is already

688
00:32:12,440 --> 00:32:14,919
there and I think our continued lack of

689
00:32:14,919 --> 00:32:16,480
having this discussion no fault to

690
00:32:16,480 --> 00:32:20,080
anyone at the table uh that added in or

691
00:32:20,080 --> 00:32:22,080
Amplified people's wanting to know where

692
00:32:22,080 --> 00:32:23,960
each of our council member stood at so

693
00:32:23,960 --> 00:32:25,880
if there is an obligation I would ask to

694
00:32:25,880 --> 00:32:29,080
hear where everyone stands not regarding

695
00:32:29,080 --> 00:32:31,039
your stance around any one resolution or

696
00:32:31,039 --> 00:32:33,240
option just where you stand in general

697
00:32:33,240 --> 00:32:35,600
as we have an onlen audience who is not

698
00:32:35,600 --> 00:32:38,039
just in this room but also tuning in

699
00:32:38,039 --> 00:32:40,120
wanting to know who or how their

700
00:32:40,120 --> 00:32:41,919
individuals or individuals in these

701
00:32:41,919 --> 00:32:43,720
positions are going to Advocate to

702
00:32:43,720 --> 00:32:48,200
address their needs Mr thank you uh I

703
00:32:48,200 --> 00:32:50,880
mean we have to be very careful we are

704
00:32:50,880 --> 00:32:53,919
stepping into unart our territory here

705
00:32:53,919 --> 00:32:55,519
getting involved in something that we as

706
00:32:55,519 --> 00:32:57,440
a cons soci be very careful what we

707
00:32:57,440 --> 00:32:58,840
doing

708
00:32:58,840 --> 00:33:01,000
over the years this Council as long as

709
00:33:01,000 --> 00:33:04,480
I've been here we have not bring for

710
00:33:04,480 --> 00:33:06,519
resolution when there's conflict in

711
00:33:06,519 --> 00:33:09,039
Syria when there conflict in Libya when

712
00:33:09,039 --> 00:33:11,360
there conflict in Sudan when there

713
00:33:11,360 --> 00:33:14,399
conflict in um in Russia where hundreds

714
00:33:14,399 --> 00:33:15,960
of thousands of people are being

715
00:33:15,960 --> 00:33:18,120
slaughtered Massacre whatever you want

716
00:33:18,120 --> 00:33:20,720
to call it on a daily basis yes what is

717
00:33:20,720 --> 00:33:22,559
happening in Gaza should not be

718
00:33:22,559 --> 00:33:25,000
happening we need peace there I'm

719
00:33:25,000 --> 00:33:28,279
totally for peace but we as a council I

720
00:33:28,279 --> 00:33:29,519
think we should consider what we're

721
00:33:29,519 --> 00:33:32,279
getting into this is international

722
00:33:32,279 --> 00:33:34,360
matter it should be should encourage the

723
00:33:34,360 --> 00:33:36,840
organizer to call the White House call

724
00:33:36,840 --> 00:33:39,200
the Senators call our Congress

725
00:33:39,200 --> 00:33:42,159
members to Lobby them to you know pass

726
00:33:42,159 --> 00:33:45,440
something from that level fedal level us

727
00:33:45,440 --> 00:33:47,120
on the ground here our resolution what

728
00:33:47,120 --> 00:33:48,279
are we going to do with our resolution

729
00:33:48,279 --> 00:33:50,000
if you pass one this evening and vote on

730
00:33:50,000 --> 00:33:53,480
it unanimously it doesn't serve any

731
00:33:53,480 --> 00:33:56,639
purpose are we dividing our community we

732
00:33:56,639 --> 00:33:58,360
should bring them to the table what is

733
00:33:58,360 --> 00:33:59,799
happening bring them to the table let's

734
00:33:59,799 --> 00:34:01,519
get to the table to the Muslim and the

735
00:34:01,519 --> 00:34:03,880
Jewish community and let's work on

736
00:34:03,880 --> 00:34:05,960
issues that they have outstanding that's

737
00:34:05,960 --> 00:34:08,240
what we need to for work on

738
00:34:08,240 --> 00:34:10,000
International matter that is something

739
00:34:10,000 --> 00:34:12,520
on a federal level absolutely wrong

740
00:34:12,520 --> 00:34:14,520
what's happening there if it stopped

741
00:34:14,520 --> 00:34:17,000
today it should stop today right now

742
00:34:17,000 --> 00:34:20,240
what's happening there but we should not

743
00:34:20,240 --> 00:34:22,440
be going doing this because we have not

744
00:34:22,440 --> 00:34:23,679
done it in the

745
00:34:23,679 --> 00:34:25,760
past why why

746
00:34:25,760 --> 00:34:29,000
not and I'm not saying I'm against I am

747
00:34:29,000 --> 00:34:32,000
what I'm you know I'm against what's

748
00:34:32,000 --> 00:34:35,480
happening in Castle absolutely against

749
00:34:35,480 --> 00:34:38,359
it but why are we as a

750
00:34:38,359 --> 00:34:40,720
council it doesn't serve any purpose

751
00:34:40,720 --> 00:34:41,960
getting a resolution what are we going

752
00:34:41,960 --> 00:34:44,399
to do get on a flight to to Tel Aviv and

753
00:34:44,399 --> 00:34:46,359
hand it to prime minister Netanyahu

754
00:34:46,359 --> 00:34:48,240
until I'm disconnected d c comes to pass

755
00:34:48,240 --> 00:34:51,839
a resolution seize fire he's not doing

756
00:34:51,839 --> 00:34:55,200
it we have better thing to focus on and

757
00:34:55,200 --> 00:34:56,560
I I just want to address some of the

758
00:34:56,560 --> 00:34:59,240
things that that the text have been

759
00:34:59,240 --> 00:35:00,960
going that I've been getting over the

760
00:35:00,960 --> 00:35:04,119
last couple several weeks and yesterday

761
00:35:04,119 --> 00:35:05,839
and

762
00:35:05,839 --> 00:35:08,839
today that's okay good text bad text

763
00:35:08,839 --> 00:35:11,119
hate text calling me all sort of

764
00:35:11,119 --> 00:35:14,280
names I am I'm okay with that and you

765
00:35:14,280 --> 00:35:16,359
can continue and I just want to address

766
00:35:16,359 --> 00:35:18,040
one of the texts that came and miss

767
00:35:18,040 --> 00:35:19,599
pfield and I had a conversation today

768
00:35:19,599 --> 00:35:22,079
and you brought it up about two event

769
00:35:22,079 --> 00:35:22,920
that

770
00:35:22,920 --> 00:35:26,240
happen uh with related to in um event in

771
00:35:26,240 --> 00:35:28,880
Guyana that has to do with

772
00:35:28,880 --> 00:35:31,480
election um on the step of City Hall a

773
00:35:31,480 --> 00:35:34,680
couple years ago um that was organized

774
00:35:34,680 --> 00:35:37,839
by leaders within the gese community not

775
00:35:37,839 --> 00:35:39,400
the city council not

776
00:35:39,400 --> 00:35:43,160
Johan on one Sunday evening and then on

777
00:35:43,160 --> 00:35:44,640
the Monday evening there was another

778
00:35:44,640 --> 00:35:46,440
rally and city council member were

779
00:35:46,440 --> 00:35:49,760
invited along with the Mayor John Mudan

780
00:35:49,760 --> 00:35:52,440
and city council did not plan that event

781
00:35:52,440 --> 00:35:53,720
last year there was another event in

782
00:35:53,720 --> 00:35:56,000
Central Park when there was a fire

783
00:35:56,000 --> 00:35:58,880
inyana that event was organized by our

784
00:35:58,880 --> 00:36:02,040
community leaders we were invited many

785
00:36:02,040 --> 00:36:04,359
others were invited so I want to address

786
00:36:04,359 --> 00:36:06,040
those that the text I received and say

787
00:36:06,040 --> 00:36:09,040
that the city council and myself sponsor

788
00:36:09,040 --> 00:36:11,119
those event or coordinate that event

789
00:36:11,119 --> 00:36:17,470
never happened on that

790
00:36:17,480 --> 00:36:20,119
level so I just want to um like bring it

791
00:36:20,119 --> 00:36:21,680
back to this particular one that we're

792
00:36:21,680 --> 00:36:24,400
looking at right now and let me just say

793
00:36:24,400 --> 00:36:26,119
that um I would not support moving this

794
00:36:26,119 --> 00:36:28,400
forward um but I did was I took the

795
00:36:28,400 --> 00:36:31,040
opportunity to look into the county

796
00:36:31,040 --> 00:36:32,839
where this was packed where this came

797
00:36:32,839 --> 00:36:34,960
from and just want to clarify this was

798
00:36:34,960 --> 00:36:36,440
never a resolution that was passed by

799
00:36:36,440 --> 00:36:40,720
the county um it was by it's no I went

800
00:36:40,720 --> 00:36:42,079
to no I know it's I know it's not a

801
00:36:42,079 --> 00:36:44,119
resolution all right there so isn't

802
00:36:44,119 --> 00:36:47,400
either right so what what happened it

803
00:36:47,400 --> 00:36:48,920
was not even passed by them it wasn't

804
00:36:48,920 --> 00:36:50,240
even discussed there was there wasn't

805
00:36:50,240 --> 00:36:52,839
even a letter sent um it it there was

806
00:36:52,839 --> 00:36:54,800
there's a woman who I don't even know

807
00:36:54,800 --> 00:36:56,880
what her ask was because all we saw was

808
00:36:56,880 --> 00:36:59,720
the respon and this response unsigned so

809
00:36:59,720 --> 00:37:01,480
I don't know even who said who made

810
00:37:01,480 --> 00:37:04,160
response this is a response to a a

811
00:37:04,160 --> 00:37:08,400
letter or a or a request um and so this

812
00:37:08,400 --> 00:37:09,720
person whoever wrote the letter is

813
00:37:09,720 --> 00:37:12,760
speaking on behalf of the county um the

814
00:37:12,760 --> 00:37:15,800
County board but there was never a an

815
00:37:15,800 --> 00:37:17,319
official thing I went to their official

816
00:37:17,319 --> 00:37:19,359
site that they made um an official

817
00:37:19,359 --> 00:37:21,440
statement on this so it was a response

818
00:37:21,440 --> 00:37:23,640
to a letter and that was a response from

819
00:37:23,640 --> 00:37:26,520
whoever the author was I don't know um I

820
00:37:26,520 --> 00:37:27,839
further looked into what with this

821
00:37:27,839 --> 00:37:29,680
County you know they talk about what

822
00:37:29,680 --> 00:37:31,000
their you know their different

823
00:37:31,000 --> 00:37:33,160
perspectives and that's a complex topic

824
00:37:33,160 --> 00:37:34,680
and that they're a very diverse

825
00:37:34,680 --> 00:37:37,000
community and I looked into it it's

826
00:37:37,000 --> 00:37:40,079
first of all it's a county um group and

827
00:37:40,079 --> 00:37:42,800
a County Board and like two over 240,000

828
00:37:42,800 --> 00:37:45,040
people are on that it's a five member

829
00:37:45,040 --> 00:37:48,560
board 240,000 people are in the county

830
00:37:48,560 --> 00:37:50,280
that they're over and there's a five

831
00:37:50,280 --> 00:37:52,240
member board and that board has zero

832
00:37:52,240 --> 00:37:54,880
diversity zero diversity except unless

833
00:37:54,880 --> 00:37:56,520
we're counting men and women and that's

834
00:37:56,520 --> 00:38:01,760
it so there's a specific lens I say that comes in for me at least part of it

835
00:38:01,760 --> 00:38:04,440
our our board that's very very different

836
00:38:04,440 --> 00:38:06,200
um this place also has a sister city

837
00:38:06,200 --> 00:38:08,839
they say in their statement that they um

838
00:38:08,839 --> 00:38:11,440
have they don't usually jump into

839
00:38:11,440 --> 00:38:14,160
um into International things they do

840
00:38:14,160 --> 00:38:17,599
have a sister city um program and they

841
00:38:17,599 --> 00:38:19,960
issued a statement about what went on in

842
00:38:19,960 --> 00:38:23,480
Ukraine so some of what they're saying

843
00:38:23,480 --> 00:38:25,520
is really not

844
00:38:25,520 --> 00:38:29,280
100% um truthful because they have taken

845
00:38:29,280 --> 00:38:31,839
a position on other things so I'm I'm

846
00:38:31,839 --> 00:38:33,800
not willing to because as you said you

847
00:38:33,800 --> 00:38:35,200
only made minor changes to what they

848
00:38:35,200 --> 00:38:38,280
said I'm not willing to um to sign on to

849
00:38:38,280 --> 00:38:40,160
a statement from a from an organization

850
00:38:40,160 --> 00:38:43,560
who looks very different than we look in

851
00:38:43,560 --> 00:38:46,280
terms of um our governance and and all

852
00:38:46,280 --> 00:38:48,400
of that in addition they have made what

853
00:38:48,400 --> 00:38:49,800
they're saying they don't do they they

854
00:38:49,800 --> 00:38:53,400
have done in the past so um you know I

855
00:38:53,400 --> 00:38:57,040
wouldn't wouldn't sign on to that um and

856
00:38:57,040 --> 00:38:59,160
I think if if we were to do anything it

857
00:38:59,160 --> 00:39:01,760
would really need to come from the the

858
00:39:01,760 --> 00:39:04,560
city council members here not um adapted

859
00:39:04,560 --> 00:39:07,640
from a board again who has um has a

860
00:39:07,640 --> 00:39:09,160
different kind of governing body they're

861
00:39:09,160 --> 00:39:11,560
a County board with a County Manager

862
00:39:11,560 --> 00:39:13,000
they have a lot more people they have

863
00:39:13,000 --> 00:39:15,280
zero um they have no ethnic diversity on

864
00:39:15,280 --> 00:39:18,000
their board and um and they've al

865
00:39:18,000 --> 00:39:21,400
already you know made a a resolution

866
00:39:21,400 --> 00:39:24,280
against um what happened in um Russia

867
00:39:24,280 --> 00:39:26,640
versus uh uh in the attack on the

868
00:39:26,640 --> 00:39:29,880
Ukraine even you know they said they don't wouldn't you know doing this

869
00:39:29,880 --> 00:39:32,440
thing so I'm not I would not support um

870
00:39:32,440 --> 00:39:34,119
moving forward

871
00:39:34,119 --> 00:39:36,839
Mr that's fine um I understand what

872
00:39:36,839 --> 00:39:37,960
you're saying and I appreciate the

873
00:39:37,960 --> 00:39:40,040
research that you did um we could come

874
00:39:40,040 --> 00:39:42,200
up with our own statement my bottom line

875
00:39:42,200 --> 00:39:45,000
is that what I'm trying to suggest is

876
00:39:45,000 --> 00:39:46,839
that the city council will not get

877
00:39:46,839 --> 00:39:49,160
involved in an international matter so I

878
00:39:49,160 --> 00:39:50,920
don't care we don't have to use this

879
00:39:50,920 --> 00:39:53,240
statement we could just say that in

880
00:39:53,240 --> 00:39:54,599
response to the people that have come

881
00:39:54,599 --> 00:39:57,480
forward to us on both sides that we are

882
00:39:57,480 --> 00:39:59,040
choosing to not get involved in an

883
00:39:59,040 --> 00:40:00,440
international matter it could be as

884
00:40:00,440 --> 00:40:02,760
simple as that two sentences contact

885
00:40:02,760 --> 00:40:04,599
your federal Representatives we do not

886
00:40:04,599 --> 00:40:07,079
have to pass this statement and I wasn't

887
00:40:07,079 --> 00:40:08,760
putting it forth as a resolution it

888
00:40:08,760 --> 00:40:10,400
actually was a statement it was just

889
00:40:10,400 --> 00:40:13,839
sort of a position statement um so

890
00:40:13,839 --> 00:40:16,960
that's what I'm suggesting um I do think

891
00:40:16,960 --> 00:40:20,160
that um the other resolutions would

892
00:40:20,160 --> 00:40:22,160
cause more divisiveness there already

893
00:40:22,160 --> 00:40:24,240
has been we definitely have had

894
00:40:24,240 --> 00:40:26,079
residents who have come to us and said

895
00:40:26,079 --> 00:40:27,960
that they feel unsafe

896
00:40:27,960 --> 00:40:30,200
um we have seen Damage Done in our

897
00:40:30,200 --> 00:40:34,240
community um to uh a desecration of of a

898
00:40:34,240 --> 00:40:36,319
cemetery I mean there's already stuff

899
00:40:36,319 --> 00:40:38,480
happening out there there were um

900
00:40:38,480 --> 00:40:40,160
incidents at our last city council

901
00:40:40,160 --> 00:40:42,640
meeting um that left a couple of us

902
00:40:42,640 --> 00:40:46,560
feeling uh physically threatened um

903
00:40:46,560 --> 00:40:49,000
divisiveness has happened so I'm

904
00:40:49,000 --> 00:40:53,520
definitely suggesting that we say we are

905
00:40:53,520 --> 00:40:54,680
not going to get involved in an

906
00:40:54,680 --> 00:40:55,920
international

907
00:40:55,920 --> 00:40:58,040
matter Mr

908
00:40:58,040 --> 00:40:59,920
well I I would argue and I think having

909
00:40:59,920 --> 00:41:02,000
this conversation at this agenda already

910
00:41:02,000 --> 00:41:04,000
dictates that we are involved even at

911
00:41:04,000 --> 00:41:05,760
least to dedicating our time at this

912
00:41:05,760 --> 00:41:07,880
council meeting to this discussion uh to

913
00:41:07,880 --> 00:41:10,359
answer Mr M Baron's comment about why

914
00:41:10,359 --> 00:41:12,880
are we even entertaining the possibility

915
00:41:12,880 --> 00:41:15,520
of presenting an action for a response

916
00:41:15,520 --> 00:41:17,480
from our Council and I would say within

917
00:41:17,480 --> 00:41:21,079
the within the purview of this group

918
00:41:21,079 --> 00:41:23,599
requesting a ceasefire has sought out

919
00:41:23,599 --> 00:41:25,240
their more appropriate means which is

920
00:41:25,240 --> 00:41:26,640
the federal government or the state I

921
00:41:26,640 --> 00:41:27,960
would say in the since that those

922
00:41:27,960 --> 00:41:30,480
elements have remained unresponsive I do

923
00:41:30,480 --> 00:41:32,240
not think it's it's unforeseen for them

924
00:41:32,240 --> 00:41:34,520
to use more locally based municipalities

925
00:41:34,520 --> 00:41:37,079
to represent their uh uh their stance

926
00:41:37,079 --> 00:41:39,240
for for better or worse uh which is one

927
00:41:39,240 --> 00:41:41,920
of the reasons why uh seeking out

928
00:41:41,920 --> 00:41:44,240
continued conversations seeking out

929
00:41:44,240 --> 00:41:45,240
whether we can have more of a

930
00:41:45,240 --> 00:41:47,680
collaborative discussion until we had

931
00:41:47,680 --> 00:41:49,440
this moment I don't think our community

932
00:41:49,440 --> 00:41:52,000
is able to heal so I think to your point

933
00:41:52,000 --> 00:41:54,359
Miss Patrick uh uh this is something

934
00:41:54,359 --> 00:41:56,960
that we we have to address and and and a

935
00:41:56,960 --> 00:42:01,440
and um in a number of different ways I'm allowing this conver or not allowing

936
00:42:01,440 --> 00:42:03,520
I'm enjoying the conversation where

937
00:42:03,520 --> 00:42:05,960
we're discussing this more but if you

938
00:42:05,960 --> 00:42:07,160
when we get to the point we're able to

939
00:42:07,160 --> 00:42:09,599
look at the other exhibits I think those

940
00:42:09,599 --> 00:42:12,800
more accurately can address

941
00:42:12,800 --> 00:42:17,079
um how this Council can uh be responsive

942
00:42:17,079 --> 00:42:19,480
to this very unique circumstance can be

943
00:42:19,480 --> 00:42:22,920
very clear in saying I did not sign up

944
00:42:22,920 --> 00:42:25,480
or ran ran as a conected city councilman

945
00:42:25,480 --> 00:42:27,680
to be International diplomat that is not

946
00:42:27,680 --> 00:42:29,440
something that I I I wanted or sought

947
00:42:29,440 --> 00:42:31,640
out to uh but again in understanding

948
00:42:31,640 --> 00:42:33,599
this climate that we are in this climate

949
00:42:33,599 --> 00:42:35,720
that our nation is currently in I think

950
00:42:35,720 --> 00:42:38,079
it is up to us to understand what is an

951
00:42:38,079 --> 00:42:39,640
appropriate response and again I don't

952
00:42:39,640 --> 00:42:41,760
think at this juncture saying we're not

953
00:42:41,760 --> 00:42:44,440
going to respond is an appropriate

954
00:42:44,440 --> 00:42:48,440
response and I I I would just really say

955
00:42:48,440 --> 00:42:52,599
that you know though things um might or

956
00:42:52,599 --> 00:42:54,160
might have not happened in the past I

957
00:42:54,160 --> 00:42:56,599
think that you know we need to be

958
00:42:56,599 --> 00:42:59,720
responsive the times are here now and um

959
00:42:59,720 --> 00:43:03,200
we can't afford to allow um our our

960
00:43:03,200 --> 00:43:05,680
tradition to stifle our Innovation and

961
00:43:05,680 --> 00:43:08,079
our responsiveness to our community so

962
00:43:08,079 --> 00:43:10,240
when there are people that are part of

963
00:43:10,240 --> 00:43:11,800
this community that are coming for us

964
00:43:11,800 --> 00:43:15,640
and saying that this is impacting um my

965
00:43:15,640 --> 00:43:18,200
family um then I think that again that

966
00:43:18,200 --> 00:43:22,200
warrants uh a a conversation possibly

967
00:43:22,200 --> 00:43:24,040
multiple conversations and

968
00:43:24,040 --> 00:43:27,240
considerations on how do we you know

969
00:43:27,240 --> 00:43:29,480
bring people together to say regardless

970
00:43:29,480 --> 00:43:31,720
of what your point of view is on the

971
00:43:31,720 --> 00:43:35,160
conflict in Gaza if what your interest

972
00:43:35,160 --> 00:43:37,400
is is in peace and I and I'm I'm going

973
00:43:37,400 --> 00:43:40,440
to make a an assumption which is not a

974
00:43:40,440 --> 00:43:42,319
very safe thing to do in any uh

975
00:43:42,319 --> 00:43:44,760
political Arena but I would assume that

976
00:43:44,760 --> 00:43:46,760
most of the city council members my

977
00:43:46,760 --> 00:43:50,599
colleagues are definitely pro peace are

978
00:43:50,599 --> 00:43:53,359
definitely Pro uh

979
00:43:53,359 --> 00:43:59,000
humanity and if there is language that

980
00:43:59,000 --> 00:44:02,800
can represent that we are for

981
00:44:02,800 --> 00:44:05,839
peace and we are for the safety of those

982
00:44:05,839 --> 00:44:10,400
in our community where we condemn um any

983
00:44:10,400 --> 00:44:11,599
acts of

984
00:44:11,599 --> 00:44:14,040
Terror um whether those acts of Terror

985
00:44:14,040 --> 00:44:18,400
are committed by Hamas if we condemn um

986
00:44:18,400 --> 00:44:21,119
uh acts of Terror by Hamas or by

987
00:44:21,119 --> 00:44:25,079
specific armed um wings of uh Israeli

988
00:44:25,079 --> 00:44:27,640
government and not to be conf ated with

989
00:44:27,640 --> 00:44:29,920
the people and people of religion that

990
00:44:29,920 --> 00:44:31,880
live within our cities cuz I think that

991
00:44:31,880 --> 00:44:34,520
what we can do is quickly start to

992
00:44:34,520 --> 00:44:37,160
conflict those issues but I think that

993
00:44:37,160 --> 00:44:38,680
if there is a place that where we're all

994
00:44:38,680 --> 00:44:40,400
saying that we're for

995
00:44:40,400 --> 00:44:42,680
peace in

996
00:44:42,680 --> 00:44:45,040
Gaza then I think that that's something

997
00:44:45,040 --> 00:44:47,800
that is is or maybe we're not for peace

998
00:44:47,800 --> 00:44:49,920
and go I don't know I guess I do want to

999
00:44:49,920 --> 00:44:54,000
respond again I feel

1000
00:44:54,000 --> 00:44:56,319
that we might all have different

1001
00:44:56,319 --> 00:44:58,440
opinions and and so therefore as a

1002
00:44:58,440 --> 00:45:01,079
council trying to pass something that

1003
00:45:01,079 --> 00:45:03,520
would be representative of us as a

1004
00:45:03,520 --> 00:45:05,640
council I think won't work I mean I'm

1005
00:45:05,640 --> 00:45:09,359
just being honest and so therefore again

1006
00:45:09,359 --> 00:45:12,520
I think the response is that it's not

1007
00:45:12,520 --> 00:45:15,480
appropriate for our local city council

1008
00:45:15,480 --> 00:45:17,400
to be going outside of our purview we

1009
00:45:17,400 --> 00:45:19,800
need to focus on the things that you

1010
00:45:19,800 --> 00:45:23,319
know our Council was elected to focus on

1011
00:45:23,319 --> 00:45:25,920
um and and this is not something that

1012
00:45:25,920 --> 00:45:28,400
our Council was elected to focus on this

1013
00:45:28,400 --> 00:45:30,160
in this particular circumstance or in

1014
00:45:30,160 --> 00:45:34,280
any other International matter um so so

1015
00:45:34,280 --> 00:45:37,000
I just you know that I mean I can't I

1016
00:45:37,000 --> 00:45:41,359
can't repeat it enough times but um well

1017
00:45:41,359 --> 00:45:43,440
I think so what are what I was saying

1018
00:45:43,440 --> 00:45:44,920
again just for points of clear is that

1019
00:45:44,920 --> 00:45:47,079
well number one I think you agree that

1020
00:45:47,079 --> 00:45:48,640
we all have different opinions on

1021
00:45:48,640 --> 00:45:50,599
multiple things right like there's

1022
00:45:50,599 --> 00:45:51,839
usually not something that doesn't

1023
00:45:51,839 --> 00:45:54,559
require some sort of a conversation or

1024
00:45:54,559 --> 00:45:57,079
an exchange of ideas to get to get to

1025
00:45:57,079 --> 00:46:00,240
place of agreement or disagreement right

1026
00:46:00,240 --> 00:46:03,440
um what I'm saying is that though this

1027
00:46:03,440 --> 00:46:06,599
is an international issue based on the

1028
00:46:06,599 --> 00:46:08,720
points that you're bringing up and the

1029
00:46:08,720 --> 00:46:11,040
things that the phone calls and the

1030
00:46:11,040 --> 00:46:13,920
things that people have been saying to us this is an international

1031
00:46:13,920 --> 00:46:16,640
issue but it has implications on the

1032
00:46:16,640 --> 00:46:17,800
well-being of people that live right

1033
00:46:17,800 --> 00:46:19,920
here in the city of SKC it really does I

1034
00:46:19,920 --> 00:46:21,040
mean you

1035
00:46:21,040 --> 00:46:23,920
can't if if it didn't then it would I

1036
00:46:23,920 --> 00:46:26,040
agree that we could just say hey it's

1037
00:46:26,040 --> 00:46:27,520
not you know there's no there's no

1038
00:46:27,520 --> 00:46:28,920
implications here but people have

1039
00:46:28,920 --> 00:46:32,079
brought forth and said this is how this

1040
00:46:32,079 --> 00:46:35,079
conflict or um

1041
00:46:35,079 --> 00:46:37,359
the the ramifications of what's

1042
00:46:37,359 --> 00:46:40,119
happening is impacting me my family and

1043
00:46:40,119 --> 00:46:43,480
my respective community so therefore um

1044
00:46:43,480 --> 00:46:45,599
I mean I'm going to be quite honest to

1045
00:46:45,599 --> 00:46:47,520
say this is something I would love not

1046
00:46:47,520 --> 00:46:53,119
to have to necessarily um uh uh look at

1047
00:46:53,119 --> 00:46:56,319
or really contemplate but I think that

1048
00:46:56,319 --> 00:46:57,760
that's what comes with the position of

1049
00:46:57,760 --> 00:46:59,720
leadership when people are saying that

1050
00:46:59,720 --> 00:47:02,599
though this is a international issue the

1051
00:47:02,599 --> 00:47:05,240
issue isn't just International it is

1052
00:47:05,240 --> 00:47:06,800
there are severe implications of people

1053
00:47:06,800 --> 00:47:07,839
that live right here in the state disc

1054
00:47:07,839 --> 00:47:10,599
con acity so that's why I guess my point

1055
00:47:10,599 --> 00:47:11,960
that I was trying to make was that I

1056
00:47:11,960 --> 00:47:13,680
think it could exagerate the

1057
00:47:13,680 --> 00:47:16,960
divisiveness if the city council um was

1058
00:47:16,960 --> 00:47:19,920
to pass a resolution um for example one

1059
00:47:19,920 --> 00:47:23,440
of these resolutions um so so I guess my

1060
00:47:23,440 --> 00:47:24,839
question is because I know we can pass a

1061
00:47:24,839 --> 00:47:27,640
lot of resolutions so is it the idea of

1062
00:47:27,640 --> 00:47:29,640
just passing a

1063
00:47:29,640 --> 00:47:32,440
resolution no matter what it says or is

1064
00:47:32,440 --> 00:47:35,520
it cuz I would think that if they're is

1065
00:47:35,520 --> 00:47:37,440
a resolution if there's a letter if

1066
00:47:37,440 --> 00:47:39,599
there's something to where people are

1067
00:47:39,599 --> 00:47:46,040
saying if we can agree on we just are leveraging whatever institutional

1068
00:47:46,040 --> 00:47:48,440
credibility that we have how little it

1069
00:47:48,440 --> 00:47:50,599
may be we're saying that we would like

1070
00:47:50,599 --> 00:47:54,280
for for peace for people to to live in

1071
00:47:54,280 --> 00:47:57,280
peace if we can all agree with that Then

1072
00:47:57,280 --> 00:47:59,960
I then I would say then that wouldn't be

1073
00:47:59,960 --> 00:48:01,319
a problem right because it's not the

1074
00:48:01,319 --> 00:48:04,200
fact that it's uh an action it's what

1075
00:48:04,200 --> 00:48:05,920
the resolution contains is what we

1076
00:48:05,920 --> 00:48:08,280
should really be looking into right cuz

1077
00:48:08,280 --> 00:48:09,839
I'm not just going to say let's pass a

1078
00:48:09,839 --> 00:48:13,160
resolution that um doesn't condemn um

1079
00:48:13,160 --> 00:48:20,800
the terrorist Acts or doesn't condemn or Hamas or uh certain arms of the

1080
00:48:20,800 --> 00:48:23,599
Israeli government I'm going to say if

1081
00:48:23,599 --> 00:48:27,160
that is too far for us to get into leads

1082
00:48:27,160 --> 00:48:29,760
if you will um but if there's a point of

1083
00:48:29,760 --> 00:48:30,960
alignment where we're saying that we

1084
00:48:30,960 --> 00:48:32,599
just want people to live in peace and if

1085
00:48:32,599 --> 00:48:34,200
we can get there then what would be the

1086
00:48:34,200 --> 00:48:35,920
issue that's that's I'm trying to go to

1087
00:48:35,920 --> 00:48:38,000
the lowest point of alignment now I'll

1088
00:48:38,000 --> 00:48:41,559
go around and if people feel

1089
00:48:41,559 --> 00:48:44,599
that that we don't need to address um

1090
00:48:44,599 --> 00:48:46,480
this at all and we're not in agreeing in

1091
00:48:46,480 --> 00:48:48,480
piece then that's a different story Mr

1092
00:48:48,480 --> 00:48:51,040
Mayor sorry my first question have the

1093
00:48:51,040 --> 00:48:52,799
three resolutions but they're unnumbered

1094
00:48:52,799 --> 00:48:55,520
or unlabeled so I didn't know if for

1095
00:48:55,520 --> 00:48:58,079
reference if

1096
00:48:58,079 --> 00:49:01,079
they just should be marked in some way

1097
00:49:01,079 --> 00:49:04,480
and Mr Carley might have you know just

1098
00:49:04,480 --> 00:49:06,520
do a oneline resolution we're all in

1099
00:49:06,520 --> 00:49:08,240
favor of world peace and encourage

1100
00:49:08,240 --> 00:49:12,079
everyone to work toward that goal abely

1101
00:49:12,079 --> 00:49:14,910
but

1102
00:49:14,920 --> 00:49:19,040
yes Mr oh I'm sorry yes yeah so I heard

1103
00:49:19,040 --> 00:49:21,640
what you said and it's sounding like we

1104
00:49:21,640 --> 00:49:24,000
would pass a resolution that connected

1105
00:49:24,000 --> 00:49:27,240
city council is in favor of World Peace

1106
00:49:27,240 --> 00:49:29,520
and I

1107
00:49:29,520 --> 00:49:33,960
think well period I know but I mean

1108
00:49:33,960 --> 00:49:36,440
that's like I'm sorry I'm not trying to

1109
00:49:36,440 --> 00:49:38,480
I mean with all due respect but I mean

1110
00:49:38,480 --> 00:49:40,599
it sounds like we're you know competing

1111
00:49:40,599 --> 00:49:43,119
for Miss America what would you like to

1112
00:49:43,119 --> 00:49:44,839
see happen I want world peace I mean

1113
00:49:44,839 --> 00:49:46,240
that's the old joke from at least when I

1114
00:49:46,240 --> 00:49:49,440
was a kid um but um I mean it just

1115
00:49:49,440 --> 00:49:50,640
doesn't have

1116
00:49:50,640 --> 00:49:54,359
any teeth in is that the right

1117
00:49:54,359 --> 00:49:56,760
expression I mean I I but I mean I'm

1118
00:49:56,760 --> 00:49:59,119
happy to say that the Sky City Council

1119
00:49:59,119 --> 00:50:00,480
is all for World

1120
00:50:00,480 --> 00:50:03,960
Peace okay so I guess then so then again

1121
00:50:03,960 --> 00:50:07,480
that I mean but again so

1122
00:50:07,480 --> 00:50:09,960
then but then we have to really look at

1123
00:50:09,960 --> 00:50:11,680
the and check our motivation for what

1124
00:50:11,680 --> 00:50:13,160
we're doing and what we're not doing

1125
00:50:13,160 --> 00:50:14,599
because if we're approaching this from a

1126
00:50:14,599 --> 00:50:17,079
genuine and honest and genuine way then

1127
00:50:17,079 --> 00:50:19,040
what we're saying is that we're okay

1128
00:50:19,040 --> 00:50:21,240
with passing a resolution that says that

1129
00:50:21,240 --> 00:50:23,799
we stand for a world peace which is

1130
00:50:23,799 --> 00:50:25,680
clearly an international issue right but

1131
00:50:25,680 --> 00:50:28,000
so we're okay with then getting involved

1132
00:50:28,000 --> 00:50:30,640
in international issue as long as we're

1133
00:50:30,640 --> 00:50:32,520
no that's why I started with I think

1134
00:50:32,520 --> 00:50:34,400
that we should make a statement that

1135
00:50:34,400 --> 00:50:35,559
we're not getting involved in an

1136
00:50:35,559 --> 00:50:37,440
International N I totally agree with

1137
00:50:37,440 --> 00:50:39,319
what you just Reed so so what I'm saying

1138
00:50:39,319 --> 00:50:40,599
is that let's really just check our

1139
00:50:40,599 --> 00:50:42,599
motivation as to why our positions are

1140
00:50:42,599 --> 00:50:44,160
and they shouldn't necessarily change

1141
00:50:44,160 --> 00:50:48,359
just based on right right um I just want

1142
00:50:48,359 --> 00:50:50,119
to add this point of clarity for the

1143
00:50:50,119 --> 00:50:52,280
mayor well miss Patrick read the one

1144
00:50:52,280 --> 00:50:55,520
that uh well um the one that was

1145
00:50:55,520 --> 00:50:57,799
connecting City Council who has received

1146
00:50:57,799 --> 00:50:59,520
request that was from Miss Patrick the

1147
00:50:59,520 --> 00:51:01,839
other two intentionally were not

1148
00:51:01,839 --> 00:51:05,240
identified they were um submitted by the

1149
00:51:05,240 --> 00:51:06,799
two other groups that were having

1150
00:51:06,799 --> 00:51:08,720
discussions we intentionally did not

1151
00:51:08,720 --> 00:51:10,599
identify which group they came for so

1152
00:51:10,599 --> 00:51:11,960
they would not be started out with a

1153
00:51:11,960 --> 00:51:14,200
level of bias oh so I just say they get

1154
00:51:14,200 --> 00:51:18,480
labeled resolution one resol ABC as

1155
00:51:18,480 --> 00:51:21,760
they're referred to you could uh for

1156
00:51:21,760 --> 00:51:23,720
correct one right so thank you madam

1157
00:51:23,720 --> 00:51:25,480
president yes I'm sorry so what you're

1158
00:51:25,480 --> 00:51:27,480
saying is they weren't subed by any of

1159
00:51:27,480 --> 00:51:30,520
our city council members

1160
00:51:30,520 --> 00:51:35,190
exactly is that do we have precedent

1161
00:51:35,200 --> 00:51:38,079
for Mr well I'm sorry I'm I stand

1162
00:51:38,079 --> 00:51:39,799
correctly go ahead Mr uh Williams I'm

1163
00:51:39,799 --> 00:51:41,559
sorry so I'd say they're respective of

1164
00:51:41,559 --> 00:51:43,760
ongoing conversations and discussions to

1165
00:51:43,760 --> 00:51:46,000
identify a document that represents the

1166
00:51:46,000 --> 00:51:47,799
community especially at which their

1167
00:51:47,799 --> 00:51:50,720
position comes from so again I don't

1168
00:51:50,720 --> 00:51:52,760
want to get back to the document that

1169
00:51:52,760 --> 00:51:54,960
you put forward but I think if anything

1170
00:51:54,960 --> 00:51:57,240
it should truly reflect or have a tone

1171
00:51:57,240 --> 00:51:59,280
of the city of SM and any of that

1172
00:51:59,280 --> 00:52:00,559
doesn't I think offers up the

1173
00:52:00,559 --> 00:52:03,559
opportunity for it to be uh not

1174
00:52:03,559 --> 00:52:06,200
reflective of the population our demogra

1175
00:52:06,200 --> 00:52:09,079
demographics of our community um so

1176
00:52:09,079 --> 00:52:11,599
again the conversations that I've been a

1177
00:52:11,599 --> 00:52:13,160
part of have been with multiple

1178
00:52:13,160 --> 00:52:14,559
Community leaders have been with

1179
00:52:14,559 --> 00:52:16,760
multiple faith-based leaders and these

1180
00:52:16,760 --> 00:52:19,200
two documents reflect two different

1181
00:52:19,200 --> 00:52:21,440
positions I would wholeheartedly ask

1182
00:52:21,440 --> 00:52:24,160
each of you to uh uh digest these

1183
00:52:24,160 --> 00:52:26,160
because I think they both speak to

1184
00:52:26,160 --> 00:52:27,480
Andress addressed to varying different

1185
00:52:27,480 --> 00:52:29,119
degrees and for any members of our

1186
00:52:29,119 --> 00:52:30,880
community that's wondering what we are

1187
00:52:30,880 --> 00:52:33,480
discussing uh I've spoken with Sam and

1188
00:52:33,480 --> 00:52:35,160
Miss pfield they will be available there

1189
00:52:35,160 --> 00:52:38,400
after our conversation um but again this

1190
00:52:38,400 --> 00:52:40,640
has been a complex conversation and

1191
00:52:40,640 --> 00:52:42,599
there's no easy way to continue through

1192
00:52:42,599 --> 00:52:44,760
it because anytime you have a statement

1193
00:52:44,760 --> 00:52:47,880
there is always a a a additional ask or

1194
00:52:47,880 --> 00:52:50,240
additional Aster to identify from the

1195
00:52:50,240 --> 00:52:53,400
other side proper context so again there

1196
00:52:53,400 --> 00:52:55,720
is no easy way to have this conversation

1197
00:52:55,720 --> 00:52:58,799
but I do think we are obligated to act

1198
00:52:58,799 --> 00:53:00,480
and Miss uh Miss Patrick I'm sorry I

1199
00:53:00,480 --> 00:53:02,839
miss F they they were submitted through

1200
00:53:02,839 --> 00:53:04,240
councilman Wing similar to your

1201
00:53:04,240 --> 00:53:06,160
statement that came from someplace else

1202
00:53:06,160 --> 00:53:07,599
that was submitted it was submitted to

1203
00:53:07,599 --> 00:53:10,119
councilman Williams so I'm sorry it just

1204
00:53:10,119 --> 00:53:13,079
wasn't written by him how about Mr just

1205
00:53:13,079 --> 00:53:14,720
to follow on this conversation so these

1206
00:53:14,720 --> 00:53:16,920
two resolution apart from this U Patrick

1207
00:53:16,920 --> 00:53:18,640
resolution you're saying that the group

1208
00:53:18,640 --> 00:53:20,040
doesn't want to identify themselves

1209
00:53:20,040 --> 00:53:23,789
which one belongs to the

1210
00:53:23,799 --> 00:53:27,160
group I would say there's bias so in

1211
00:53:27,160 --> 00:53:29,599
wanting to uh digest this information

1212
00:53:29,599 --> 00:53:31,480
wanting to look at its contents and not

1213
00:53:31,480 --> 00:53:32,599
necessarily the individual that

1214
00:53:32,599 --> 00:53:34,440
submitted it I thought was more

1215
00:53:34,440 --> 00:53:36,839
appropriate so the group that you you

1216
00:53:36,839 --> 00:53:39,440
and Mr Farley be meeting with is in the

1217
00:53:39,440 --> 00:53:40,680
Jewish community and the Muslim

1218
00:53:40,680 --> 00:53:42,520
Community and are these coming from the

1219
00:53:42,520 --> 00:53:44,160
Muslim Community and Jewish Community

1220
00:53:44,160 --> 00:53:50,630
yes so why can't we not identify

1221
00:53:50,640 --> 00:53:52,920
it I would say then again there is no

1222
00:53:52,920 --> 00:53:55,640
reason why we cannot identify but as

1223
00:53:55,640 --> 00:53:59,119
we've been uh uh introduced based on

1224
00:53:59,119 --> 00:54:00,839
everyone's position there is a knee-jerk

1225
00:54:00,839 --> 00:54:04,319
reaction to this conversation yes or

1226
00:54:04,319 --> 00:54:08,599
no yes yes or no there's an an initial

1227
00:54:08,599 --> 00:54:11,119
response to the nature of this

1228
00:54:11,119 --> 00:54:13,839
conversation yes right and in

1229
00:54:13,839 --> 00:54:14,839
understanding that and understanding

1230
00:54:14,839 --> 00:54:16,880
that we are in a different context

1231
00:54:16,880 --> 00:54:20,079
specifically to uh previous events that

1232
00:54:20,079 --> 00:54:21,680
this Council has entertained to submit

1233
00:54:21,680 --> 00:54:24,079
resolutions on wanting to look at this

1234
00:54:24,079 --> 00:54:25,359
from a different lens than Miss

1235
00:54:25,359 --> 00:54:27,119
porterfield's point of how do we just

1236
00:54:27,119 --> 00:54:30,920
evaluate the language that's it okay so

1237
00:54:30,920 --> 00:54:33,160
just I respect your your your your

1238
00:54:33,160 --> 00:54:35,119
bottle there but if if a group is going

1239
00:54:35,119 --> 00:54:37,480
to present a resolution or a statement I

1240
00:54:37,480 --> 00:54:39,440
would like them to stand by

1241
00:54:39,440 --> 00:54:42,920
it because if Miss Patrick present a a

1242
00:54:42,920 --> 00:54:45,440
statement here that was from on a

1243
00:54:45,440 --> 00:54:48,200
different County and you know drafted

1244
00:54:48,200 --> 00:54:51,480
differently you should have that but I

1245
00:54:51,480 --> 00:54:54,400
say she didn't I I understand

1246
00:54:54,400 --> 00:54:57,730
perception because

1247
00:54:57,730 --> 00:54:59,240
[Music]

1248
00:54:59,240 --> 00:55:01,599
Miss Patrick okay I did you are you done

1249
00:55:01,599 --> 00:55:04,880
speaking Mr M sorry sorry Mr M that's

1250
00:55:04,880 --> 00:55:07,599
sorry are you all set okay Miss pck did

1251
00:55:07,599 --> 00:55:09,559
you have I did in the times that I

1252
00:55:09,559 --> 00:55:11,319
emailed the statement indicate that it

1253
00:55:11,319 --> 00:55:13,760
was um the Allington County Board that

1254
00:55:13,760 --> 00:55:17,079
had um issued this statement and that I

1255
00:55:17,079 --> 00:55:19,960
had just made some minor tweets to it

1256
00:55:19,960 --> 00:55:21,640
been in response that there are often

1257
00:55:21,640 --> 00:55:23,240
behind the scenes conversations that the

1258
00:55:23,240 --> 00:55:25,240
public is not privy to hence providing

1259
00:55:25,240 --> 00:55:27,640
that context at is

1260
00:55:27,640 --> 00:55:30,640
important and can and I'll definitely

1261
00:55:30,640 --> 00:55:32,720
get right to you Mr T I think it's

1262
00:55:32,720 --> 00:55:35,160
really important that we recognize that

1263
00:55:35,160 --> 00:55:38,839
this is a very sensitive and and and can

1264
00:55:38,839 --> 00:55:41,440
be an inflammatory type of thing if we

1265
00:55:41,440 --> 00:55:44,119
don't stay within our parameters um as

1266
00:55:44,119 --> 00:55:45,920
council members and kind of again check

1267
00:55:45,920 --> 00:55:47,920
our motivation for why we're doing this

1268
00:55:47,920 --> 00:55:49,880
or why we even having this conversation

1269
00:55:49,880 --> 00:55:51,640
this is not a conversation that anyone

1270
00:55:51,640 --> 00:55:53,880
really wants to be in a position to have

1271
00:55:53,880 --> 00:55:57,319
I don't think anyone is okay with people

1272
00:55:57,319 --> 00:55:59,359
losing their lives with civilians losing

1273
00:55:59,359 --> 00:56:01,359
their lives to war any conflict I don't

1274
00:56:01,359 --> 00:56:04,680
think anyone here is okay with that what

1275
00:56:04,680 --> 00:56:07,160
I want us to do is to not is to be

1276
00:56:07,160 --> 00:56:09,240
mindful that we don't use this as a US

1277
00:56:09,240 --> 00:56:11,920
verse them gotcha kind of moment let me

1278
00:56:11,920 --> 00:56:14,160
winner argument with you at the table

1279
00:56:14,160 --> 00:56:16,839
when we have a great a much larger

1280
00:56:16,839 --> 00:56:20,280
obligation and opportunity to say hey

1281
00:56:20,280 --> 00:56:23,079
this is my position this is why this is

1282
00:56:23,079 --> 00:56:26,000
my position I understand and hear your

1283
00:56:26,000 --> 00:56:26,960
position

1284
00:56:26,960 --> 00:56:28,880
and then collectively we can either

1285
00:56:28,880 --> 00:56:30,640
agree or disagree but I'm I get

1286
00:56:30,640 --> 00:56:33,480
concerned with our especially around

1287
00:56:33,480 --> 00:56:35,000
something that is so sensitive that we

1288
00:56:35,000 --> 00:56:37,720
can kind of fall into that the tone of

1289
00:56:37,720 --> 00:56:40,079
the conversation can shift from what

1290
00:56:40,079 --> 00:56:41,960
we're here to do representing people of

1291
00:56:41,960 --> 00:56:45,880
City's connec into our own kind of let's

1292
00:56:45,880 --> 00:56:47,599
win the argument at the table when it's

1293
00:56:47,599 --> 00:56:50,760
just not a a conversation that anyone's

1294
00:56:50,760 --> 00:56:53,599
really uh super excited to have to be

1295
00:56:53,599 --> 00:56:56,359
I'm sorry Mr ter

1296
00:56:56,359 --> 00:56:58,119
just briefly reading over both of these

1297
00:56:58,119 --> 00:56:59,440
I would have liked to have have them

1298
00:56:59,440 --> 00:57:03,200
prior to this evening but um they're

1299
00:57:03,200 --> 00:57:07,960
both very different okay um no matter

1300
00:57:07,960 --> 00:57:11,359
who it one doesn't matter it's obvious

1301
00:57:11,359 --> 00:57:14,039
from these two statements that people

1302
00:57:14,039 --> 00:57:16,119
bringing this to the table are not in

1303
00:57:16,119 --> 00:57:19,680
agreement okay not in agreement so how

1304
00:57:19,680 --> 00:57:21,280
can we be in

1305
00:57:21,280 --> 00:57:24,039
agreement we can't and that's obvious

1306
00:57:24,039 --> 00:57:25,880
going around and around and around

1307
00:57:25,880 --> 00:57:29,359
tonight and I I I I value each and

1308
00:57:29,359 --> 00:57:31,400
everyone's

1309
00:57:31,400 --> 00:57:33,880
opinion but it's this is not in our

1310
00:57:33,880 --> 00:57:37,440
parameter so all we need to say as a

1311
00:57:37,440 --> 00:57:40,200
councel you guys keep going to the table

1312
00:57:40,200 --> 00:57:42,760
keep working on it keep promoting peace

1313
00:57:42,760 --> 00:57:45,520
within each of your cultures okay and

1314
00:57:45,520 --> 00:57:47,920
that can happen but right now we should

1315
00:57:47,920 --> 00:57:50,880
not even be involved in this it's and

1316
00:57:50,880 --> 00:57:52,359
nothing's going to happen here this

1317
00:57:52,359 --> 00:57:57,000
evening right nothing

1318
00:57:57,000 --> 00:58:00,400
so we make a statement

1319
00:58:00,400 --> 00:58:03,079
got keep going you know come to an

1320
00:58:03,079 --> 00:58:05,440
agreement come to the table you know

1321
00:58:05,440 --> 00:58:07,079
we'll support you all the way but we're

1322
00:58:07,079 --> 00:58:08,960
not supporting any resolution at this

1323
00:58:08,960 --> 00:58:11,839
time done that's all I have to

1324
00:58:11,839 --> 00:58:15,280
say again I think it would again I

1325
00:58:15,280 --> 00:58:19,960
don't around well but we we do go around

1326
00:58:19,960 --> 00:58:22,240
and around and again we go around around

1327
00:58:22,240 --> 00:58:23,920
on lots of issues and I think that we

1328
00:58:23,920 --> 00:58:26,799
have there's there a Norm at the table

1329
00:58:26,799 --> 00:58:28,480
um I don't think that we all operate on

1330
00:58:28,480 --> 00:58:31,599
one Accord I mean history will tell us

1331
00:58:31,599 --> 00:58:33,799
that yet we've had some pretty spirited

1332
00:58:33,799 --> 00:58:35,359
and contentious conversations around

1333
00:58:35,359 --> 00:58:36,960
things that impact the people that live

1334
00:58:36,960 --> 00:58:39,559
in the city and we were able to come to

1335
00:58:39,559 --> 00:58:41,319
a at least a point of clarity as to

1336
00:58:41,319 --> 00:58:44,000
where we stood individual individually

1337
00:58:44,000 --> 00:58:45,240
and things have passed out of the

1338
00:58:45,240 --> 00:58:46,640
council things have not passed out of

1339
00:58:46,640 --> 00:58:50,119
the council um because we haven't agreed

1340
00:58:50,119 --> 00:58:52,319
on things and that and it's okay for us

1341
00:58:52,319 --> 00:58:54,799
not to agree I just don't think it's

1342
00:58:54,799 --> 00:58:57,000
okay for us not to um have the

1343
00:58:57,000 --> 00:58:58,880
conversation and honor what people have

1344
00:58:58,880 --> 00:59:00,440
been bringing forward to us I'm not okay

1345
00:59:00,440 --> 00:59:02,960
with that I I mean I think that we have

1346
00:59:02,960 --> 00:59:04,920
had the conversation I think four of us

1347
00:59:04,920 --> 00:59:07,039
around the table have indicated that we

1348
00:59:07,039 --> 00:59:09,319
don't think that we should be making any

1349
00:59:09,319 --> 00:59:11,000
kind of judgment on an international

1350
00:59:11,000 --> 00:59:15,160
matter out of the seven of us um and so

1351
00:59:15,160 --> 00:59:16,920
I guess you know there's three of you on

1352
00:59:16,920 --> 00:59:19,400
this committee and you can decide

1353
00:59:19,400 --> 00:59:20,319
whether it's going to come out of

1354
00:59:20,319 --> 00:59:21,960
committee for discussion again next

1355
00:59:21,960 --> 00:59:26,440
Monday at city council um or not but at

1356
00:59:26,440 --> 00:59:28,359
this point what I would like to do and I

1357
00:59:28,359 --> 00:59:31,119
would hope that we would being that to

1358
00:59:31,119 --> 00:59:32,960
Mr tur's point in your point as well is

1359
00:59:32,960 --> 00:59:35,440
that you know some of this language um

1360
00:59:35,440 --> 00:59:37,119
that you received that you just received

1361
00:59:37,119 --> 00:59:40,359
right now um I would hope that what we

1362
00:59:40,359 --> 00:59:42,720
will be able to do is take the documents

1363
00:59:42,720 --> 00:59:45,200
that you have received tonight um as

1364
00:59:45,200 --> 00:59:46,960
well as the document that um that you

1365
00:59:46,960 --> 00:59:49,960
have submitted prior um take those read

1366
00:59:49,960 --> 00:59:52,160
them kind of digest through those and

1367
00:59:52,160 --> 00:59:54,640
then see if you know there may be some

1368
00:59:54,640 --> 00:59:57,880
um uh different different thoughts or or

1369
00:59:57,880 --> 01:00:00,119
at least consider you know maybe a a

1370
01:00:00,119 --> 01:00:02,079
different course of action and or not a

1371
01:00:02,079 --> 01:00:04,720
course of action so I at this point I

1372
01:00:04,720 --> 01:00:06,680
think that you guys have the information

1373
01:00:06,680 --> 01:00:08,000
we all have the information let's take

1374
01:00:08,000 --> 01:00:09,680
some time but this is very something we

1375
01:00:09,680 --> 01:00:11,400
need to be very thoughtful about let's

1376
01:00:11,400 --> 01:00:13,200
take some time to think about them and

1377
01:00:13,200 --> 01:00:17,680
then we can bring them back um and and

1378
01:00:17,680 --> 01:00:20,200
decide and and truly I don't want it to

1379
01:00:20,200 --> 01:00:21,359
be missed because there was a lot of

1380
01:00:21,359 --> 01:00:23,400
time and effort spent in crafting both

1381
01:00:23,400 --> 01:00:24,920
these two languages and I want to make

1382
01:00:24,920 --> 01:00:26,599
sure both of those

1383
01:00:26,599 --> 01:00:28,680
understand that to to to Mr parley's

1384
01:00:28,680 --> 01:00:30,240
point he's always able to kind of keep

1385
01:00:30,240 --> 01:00:32,240
our Council centered and keep us well

1386
01:00:32,240 --> 01:00:33,799
reflective of what we're saying and and

1387
01:00:33,799 --> 01:00:37,200
get away from the kind of the tone so

1388
01:00:37,200 --> 01:00:40,240
definitely uh uh each Document Speaks

1389
01:00:40,240 --> 01:00:43,880
differently towards this issue and that is a very blatant and and and

1390
01:00:43,880 --> 01:00:46,920
apparent understanding that took me uh a

1391
01:00:46,920 --> 01:00:48,319
lot of hours of dialogue to also

1392
01:00:48,319 --> 01:00:49,839
recognize and accept myself because I

1393
01:00:49,839 --> 01:00:51,520
was something I did not accept I

1394
01:00:51,520 --> 01:00:53,200
truthfully thought that we would be able

1395
01:00:53,200 --> 01:00:55,440
to craft some collaborative language and

1396
01:00:55,440 --> 01:00:58,599
that was not possible um but but again

1397
01:00:58,599 --> 01:01:01,280
to to to the time and and emotion that

1398
01:01:01,280 --> 01:01:02,920
was invested in both of these I can

1399
01:01:02,920 --> 01:01:06,720
guarantee each Community respects these

1400
01:01:06,720 --> 01:01:08,520
as the true intent and their ability to

1401
01:01:08,520 --> 01:01:10,520
identify language that addresses that

1402
01:01:10,520 --> 01:01:13,640
conflict and wherever you lay and I'm

1403
01:01:13,640 --> 01:01:16,240
not excluding the the Mandate that you

1404
01:01:16,240 --> 01:01:18,240
submitted but I would just ask you

1405
01:01:18,240 --> 01:01:22,680
compel you to just read that over and I do think although two weeks is

1406
01:01:22,680 --> 01:01:24,599
additional time and additional time in

1407
01:01:24,599 --> 01:01:26,559
this conflict but I think reflect of

1408
01:01:26,559 --> 01:01:28,319
everyone knows that whatever action We

1409
01:01:28,319 --> 01:01:30,119
Take It ultimately is not going to end

1410
01:01:30,119 --> 01:01:32,760
up itself influence that outcome in the

1411
01:01:32,760 --> 01:01:36,160
noise it it will not but to to Mr

1412
01:01:36,160 --> 01:01:39,039
Farley's point there is a considerable

1413
01:01:39,039 --> 01:01:41,400
ask from our community to respond to

1414
01:01:41,400 --> 01:01:44,359
this and that that in and that simple

1415
01:01:44,359 --> 01:01:46,319
statement was the reason why my actions

1416
01:01:46,319 --> 01:01:48,280
were that they

1417
01:01:48,280 --> 01:01:51,000
were so I think you know hearing you

1418
01:01:51,000 --> 01:01:54,000
know what people are saying today um and

1419
01:01:54,000 --> 01:01:56,680
I appreciate your ability to kind of

1420
01:01:56,680 --> 01:01:58,640
navigate this tough and difficult uh

1421
01:01:58,640 --> 01:02:01,480
conversation um so it's not lost on me

1422
01:02:01,480 --> 01:02:03,400
that this is something that um has

1423
01:02:03,400 --> 01:02:07,440
serious uh consequences um to people

1424
01:02:07,440 --> 01:02:09,559
professionally personally politically

1425
01:02:09,559 --> 01:02:12,000
all of the things and I just appreciate

1426
01:02:12,000 --> 01:02:13,799
you guys are willingness to kind of

1427
01:02:13,799 --> 01:02:15,119
engage in this conversation from a

1428
01:02:15,119 --> 01:02:18,920
genuine place I we will leave um

1429
01:02:18,920 --> 01:02:21,200
everyone has uh the documents of that

1430
01:02:21,200 --> 01:02:23,119
are in front of them have some time to

1431
01:02:23,119 --> 01:02:26,160
digest them and then we can um decide

1432
01:02:26,160 --> 01:02:27,960
whether whether a course of action will

1433
01:02:27,960 --> 01:02:29,400
be taken and what that course of action

1434
01:02:29,400 --> 01:02:32,559
will be oh I'm sorry president it's okay

1435
01:02:32,559 --> 01:02:34,119
so and I just want to remind folks that

1436
01:02:34,119 --> 01:02:36,160
so um it's been brought up that people

1437
01:02:36,160 --> 01:02:38,000
you know um wouldn't necessarily agree

1438
01:02:38,000 --> 01:02:41,520
and we can't come to an agreement uh

1439
01:02:41,520 --> 01:02:43,079
each council member has an opportunity

1440
01:02:43,079 --> 01:02:44,480
at the end of the meeting to State their

1441
01:02:44,480 --> 01:02:47,240
position on whatever is going on so just

1442
01:02:47,240 --> 01:02:49,480
keep in mind that if there if we get to

1443
01:02:49,480 --> 01:02:52,039
the place where we're just not able to

1444
01:02:52,039 --> 01:02:54,400
um pass anything through everyone here

1445
01:02:54,400 --> 01:02:55,880
has an opportunity to St them and say

1446
01:02:55,880 --> 01:02:58,240
this is where I stand so that is not

1447
01:02:58,240 --> 01:02:59,640
something that you you can always

1448
01:02:59,640 --> 01:03:02,799
exercise that um if we get to the point

1449
01:03:02,799 --> 01:03:05,160
where it's just not never coming up with

1450
01:03:05,160 --> 01:03:07,119
anything that that everybody can agree

1451
01:03:07,119 --> 01:03:09,720
on and sometimes that happens and as has

1452
01:03:09,720 --> 01:03:11,240
been stated we have to make sure that

1453
01:03:11,240 --> 01:03:14,640
we're also as we're doing this um make

1454
01:03:14,640 --> 01:03:16,119
sure that we're keeping making sure

1455
01:03:16,119 --> 01:03:17,680
we're doing the business of the people

1456
01:03:17,680 --> 01:03:20,279
and I've gotten statements from people

1457
01:03:20,279 --> 01:03:22,880
that um because of the number of people

1458
01:03:22,880 --> 01:03:24,720
at the council meeting that people

1459
01:03:24,720 --> 01:03:27,039
didn't have an opportunity to speak um

1460
01:03:27,039 --> 01:03:28,760
and I've figured out a way to rectify

1461
01:03:28,760 --> 01:03:30,920
that if if we get to that place again

1462
01:03:30,920 --> 01:03:34,200
because City business should still be um

1463
01:03:34,200 --> 01:03:36,640
our priority I'm not saying it's the

1464
01:03:36,640 --> 01:03:38,079
only thing that we do but it certainly

1465
01:03:38,079 --> 01:03:40,039
should be our priority so I will just

1466
01:03:40,039 --> 01:03:41,760
make sure that people that come to the

1467
01:03:41,760 --> 01:03:43,160
meeting have an opportunity to speak on

1468
01:03:43,160 --> 01:03:45,359
City business that outside this present

1469
01:03:45,359 --> 01:03:48,240
discussion that has been ongoing so I

1470
01:03:48,240 --> 01:03:49,480
just want to remind council members

1471
01:03:49,480 --> 01:03:52,119
again that if you just can't see any of

1472
01:03:52,119 --> 01:03:53,680
this being anything that you can agree

1473
01:03:53,680 --> 01:03:56,640
to um at all you always had the

1474
01:03:56,640 --> 01:03:59,279
opportunity for miscellaneous um

1475
01:03:59,279 --> 01:04:01,400
business of the council to State

1476
01:04:01,400 --> 01:04:02,920
whatever it is that you would like to

1477
01:04:02,920 --> 01:04:05,520
state so

1478
01:04:05,520 --> 01:04:07,880
um thank you but we did agree on world

1479
01:04:07,880 --> 01:04:09,480
peace that's something that we were able

1480
01:04:09,480 --> 01:04:12,039
to at least get agreed about so um any

1481
01:04:12,039 --> 01:04:13,720
more comments questions or concerns

1482
01:04:13,720 --> 01:04:16,799
around that Mr Williams if I

1483
01:04:16,799 --> 01:04:19,119
can throughout this conversation I

1484
01:04:19,119 --> 01:04:21,359
always recognize that or throughout my

1485
01:04:21,359 --> 01:04:23,160
com comments with the community always

1486
01:04:23,160 --> 01:04:25,000
recognize it was not my place to sway

1487
01:04:25,000 --> 01:04:27,200
anyone's opinion or their perspective on

1488
01:04:27,200 --> 01:04:29,279
this issue and I accepted that but

1489
01:04:29,279 --> 01:04:30,640
wholeheartedly I wanted to say I

1490
01:04:30,640 --> 01:04:32,599
appreciate everyone's openness and and

1491
01:04:32,599 --> 01:04:34,760
responses and I think you'll find that

1492
01:04:34,760 --> 01:04:36,440
the community regardless of how they

1493
01:04:36,440 --> 01:04:38,760
interpret your responses will appreciate

1494
01:04:38,760 --> 01:04:41,799
that uh uh thoughtfulness with with

1495
01:04:41,799 --> 01:04:44,349
being

1496
01:04:44,359 --> 01:04:46,720
transparent so I just want to so

1497
01:04:46,720 --> 01:04:48,520
government operations is not going to

1498
01:04:48,520 --> 01:04:51,319
consider this uh this evening well

1499
01:04:51,319 --> 01:04:54,279
there's no I mean in terms of you know

1500
01:04:54,279 --> 01:04:56,279
seeing if it comes out of committee

1501
01:04:56,279 --> 01:04:58,119
it's a discussion this no this was a

1502
01:04:58,119 --> 01:04:59,960
discussion point if you on the agenda

1503
01:04:59,960 --> 01:05:02,760
that's why it was it's list yeah it's

1504
01:05:02,760 --> 01:05:04,640
listed as a discussion point so just for

1505
01:05:04,640 --> 01:05:06,680
that particular reason so we can have a

1506
01:05:06,680 --> 01:05:08,799
discussion and everyone can make um

1507
01:05:08,799 --> 01:05:11,079
informed decision if and when we get to

1508
01:05:11,079 --> 01:05:13,680
a point of decision that's why it was on

1509
01:05:13,680 --> 01:05:17,319
for discussion Mr hi thank you m pfield

1510
01:05:17,319 --> 01:05:19,160
I know you you said you weren't in favor

1511
01:05:19,160 --> 01:05:21,920
of passing or considering um Miss

1512
01:05:21,920 --> 01:05:24,520
Patrick's uh statement um but I didn't

1513
01:05:24,520 --> 01:05:26,359
hear a stance from you

1514
01:05:26,359 --> 01:05:29,480
on you know where you may stand on

1515
01:05:29,480 --> 01:05:33,599
this um goe no I was trying to question

1516
01:05:33,599 --> 01:05:35,799
while well I I made my statement I'm not

1517
01:05:35,799 --> 01:05:37,039
willing to do this I'll read for the

1518
01:05:37,039 --> 01:05:38,680
rest of it and then when it's when when

1519
01:05:38,680 --> 01:05:40,240
I feel it's appropriate I'll make my

1520
01:05:40,240 --> 01:05:43,200
statement okay thank

1521
01:05:43,200 --> 01:05:45,839
you and just if you're wondering whether

1522
01:05:45,839 --> 01:05:46,839
I think we should get involved in

1523
01:05:46,839 --> 01:05:48,160
international matters I think there may

1524
01:05:48,160 --> 01:05:49,799
be opportunities where we will get

1525
01:05:49,799 --> 01:05:51,799
involved in National matters so I will

1526
01:05:51,799 --> 01:05:54,520
not blatantly and blankly say never

1527
01:05:54,520 --> 01:05:55,839
International matters I don't know what

1528
01:05:55,839 --> 01:05:58,000
the future holds so if that's what

1529
01:05:58,000 --> 01:05:59,960
you're looking for no not at all I was

1530
01:05:59,960 --> 01:06:01,920
just looking for your stance thank you

1531
01:06:01,920 --> 01:06:04,480
so that was helpful I not because I will

1532
01:06:04,480 --> 01:06:06,119
never blanketly say because I don't

1533
01:06:06,119 --> 01:06:08,119
think it's even as as elected people

1534
01:06:08,119 --> 01:06:09,920
that you blanketly say you will never

1535
01:06:09,920 --> 01:06:11,680
because we don't know what the future

1536
01:06:11,680 --> 01:06:14,000
bring so I will never just draw a line

1537
01:06:14,000 --> 01:06:15,400
in the say and say absolutely I will not

1538
01:06:15,400 --> 01:06:17,160
cross that line I will take into

1539
01:06:17,160 --> 01:06:18,760
consideration what is happening at the

1540
01:06:18,760 --> 01:06:21,559
moment at the time and use that to make

1541
01:06:21,559 --> 01:06:24,520
my decision and I think again you know

1542
01:06:24,520 --> 01:06:27,160
for me just for clarity is like um it

1543
01:06:27,160 --> 01:06:29,200
though it's an international matter it

1544
01:06:29,200 --> 01:06:31,520
definitely has a local implications and

1545
01:06:31,520 --> 01:06:34,520
that's where I think is where you know

1546
01:06:34,520 --> 01:06:35,960
what obligates US when people are com

1547
01:06:35,960 --> 01:06:37,039
and talk to us and saying how it's

1548
01:06:37,039 --> 01:06:38,920
impacting them within this community

1549
01:06:38,920 --> 01:06:40,279
then it's I think that that's what we're

1550
01:06:40,279 --> 01:06:43,240
obligated to um respond um and

1551
01:06:43,240 --> 01:06:44,440
understanding that our response might

1552
01:06:44,440 --> 01:06:46,079
not be adequate to what some people

1553
01:06:46,079 --> 01:06:49,559
would like and and and and that's okay I

1554
01:06:49,559 --> 01:06:52,279
think that we just you know I don't see

1555
01:06:52,279 --> 01:06:53,400
this

1556
01:06:53,400 --> 01:06:56,359
as uh only of Interest ational matter is

1557
01:06:56,359 --> 01:06:58,240
kind of the point I'm saying primarily

1558
01:06:58,240 --> 01:07:00,240
International matter but definitely has

1559
01:07:00,240 --> 01:07:02,279
some pretty um serious implications with

1560
01:07:02,279 --> 01:07:03,279
us um

1561
01:07:03,279 --> 01:07:07,160
locally so uh if there's no more

1562
01:07:07,160 --> 01:07:08,760
questions or comments around this issue

1563
01:07:08,760 --> 01:07:12,520
I'll leave everyone with this uh and I'd

1564
01:07:12,520 --> 01:07:13,799
like to

1565
01:07:13,799 --> 01:07:17,119
uh accept the motion to close government

1566
01:07:17,119 --> 01:07:21,760
operations second we're close all in

1567
01:07:21,760 --> 01:07:25,039
favor close thank you I'd like to call

1568
01:07:25,039 --> 01:07:26,920
again development and planning we have

1569
01:07:26,920 --> 01:07:30,160
eight items on the agenda the first item

1570
01:07:30,160 --> 01:07:32,960
is M Harver uh call for public hearing

1571
01:07:32,960 --> 01:07:36,960
for the histor commission changes good

1572
01:07:36,960 --> 01:07:40,319
evening on March 28th the proposed extor

1573
01:07:40,319 --> 01:07:42,039
commission City cold changes we

1574
01:07:42,039 --> 01:07:44,240
presented to city council and we asked

1575
01:07:44,240 --> 01:07:45,920
for zoning coordination referal to be

1576
01:07:45,920 --> 01:07:48,799
sent to the county which it did get sent

1577
01:07:48,799 --> 01:07:52,000
we received a response with no comments

1578
01:07:52,000 --> 01:07:53,279
but the recommendation to their

1579
01:07:53,279 --> 01:07:55,839
Department local so today I am here

1580
01:07:55,839 --> 01:07:58,000
asking city council to call for a public

1581
01:07:58,000 --> 01:08:00,319
hearing regarding those changes and if

1582
01:08:00,319 --> 01:08:08,470
needed submit those changes to the

1583
01:08:08,480 --> 01:08:10,640
commission so there's no

1584
01:08:10,640 --> 01:08:13,559
questions question I thought you were

1585
01:08:13,559 --> 01:08:15,000
asking a question I thought you were

1586
01:08:15,000 --> 01:08:16,799
asking a question as well you have me

1587
01:08:16,799 --> 01:08:18,920
there so you're moving it yeah second

1588
01:08:18,920 --> 01:08:23,000
all those in favor I think

1589
01:08:23,000 --> 01:08:26,480
for all right um excuse me the the next

1590
01:08:26,480 --> 01:08:28,120
item on the agenda is the extension of

1591
01:08:28,120 --> 01:08:29,600
building moratorium on the submission

1592
01:08:29,600 --> 01:08:31,679
and processing of building permits

1593
01:08:31,679 --> 01:08:33,920
certificates of occupancy certificant of

1594
01:08:33,920 --> 01:08:35,640
use and land use approvals for smoke

1595
01:08:35,640 --> 01:08:38,279
shops vape shops and toac tobacco or

1596
01:08:38,279 --> 01:08:41,920
vape consumption businesses M

1597
01:08:41,920 --> 01:08:44,239
barash Madam president I'll take that

1598
01:08:44,239 --> 01:08:46,920
one that's okay um this is uh last

1599
01:08:46,920 --> 01:08:49,560
council meeting you uh transmitted the

1600
01:08:49,560 --> 01:08:51,400
proposed ordinance up to the county we

1601
01:08:51,400 --> 01:08:53,199
haven't gotten response back so during

1602
01:08:53,199 --> 01:08:56,000
the pendency of that waiting that

1603
01:08:56,000 --> 01:08:58,600
response uh this is an extension of the

1604
01:08:58,600 --> 01:09:02,120
moratorium that ends on June 10th um and

1605
01:09:02,120 --> 01:09:04,400
that the public hearing is on Monday but

1606
01:09:04,400 --> 01:09:07,319
also you can it ends on that day so you

1607
01:09:07,319 --> 01:09:09,279
can pass this ordinance after the public

1608
01:09:09,279 --> 01:09:11,759
hearing to extend it out the September

1609
01:09:11,759 --> 01:09:14,520
10th or just such earlier time that you

1610
01:09:14,520 --> 01:09:20,390
take final action on the proposed

1611
01:09:20,400 --> 01:09:22,880
ordinance so with that how are we doing

1612
01:09:22,880 --> 01:09:24,040
I know that the reason we were having

1613
01:09:24,040 --> 01:09:25,120
this more time because we were working

1614
01:09:25,120 --> 01:09:26,679
on this zoning where are we with that

1615
01:09:26,679 --> 01:09:27,880
well the Zone that's the zoning

1616
01:09:27,880 --> 01:09:29,920
ordinance right that's gone that's gone

1617
01:09:29,920 --> 01:09:31,640
up to County planning for the input just

1618
01:09:31,640 --> 01:09:33,440
like the historic district commission so

1619
01:09:33,440 --> 01:09:35,120
once we get that back from County

1620
01:09:35,120 --> 01:09:38,440
Planning then you'll have the the

1621
01:09:38,440 --> 01:09:42,880
final uh uh ordinance draft for your

1622
01:09:42,880 --> 01:09:44,080
review and approval so you're waiting

1623
01:09:44,080 --> 01:09:45,560
for back to K yeah we're waiting for the

1624
01:09:45,560 --> 01:09:47,480
county to transmit that back just like

1625
01:09:47,480 --> 01:09:49,799
they they reviewed the uh historic

1626
01:09:49,799 --> 01:09:53,520
district ordinance so uh once we get

1627
01:09:53,520 --> 01:09:56,159
that then uh

1628
01:09:56,159 --> 01:09:58,360
you'll be able to take final action on

1629
01:09:58,360 --> 01:10:00,320
it but during that pendency we're just

1630
01:10:00,320 --> 01:10:02,320
pushing that out a little bit as we

1631
01:10:02,320 --> 01:10:05,400
await the but we don't ant we don't

1632
01:10:05,400 --> 01:10:07,360
anticipate them being out till September

1633
01:10:07,360 --> 01:10:09,960
no they have by by the code they they

1634
01:10:09,960 --> 01:10:13,000
have to do it within 30 days okay okay

1635
01:10:13,000 --> 01:10:14,480
thank you and when did we send it I'm

1636
01:10:14,480 --> 01:10:17,679
sorry it went out last week okay so I

1637
01:10:17,679 --> 01:10:19,199
anticipate in the next few weeks we'll

1638
01:10:19,199 --> 01:10:24,040
be get a report back okay yes Mr M so we

1639
01:10:24,040 --> 01:10:26,000
have to have two resolutions

1640
01:10:26,000 --> 01:10:28,360
is that no just it's just it's just an

1641
01:10:28,360 --> 01:10:30,400
ordinance you you have the public

1642
01:10:30,400 --> 01:10:31,880
hearings on Monday and this is the

1643
01:10:31,880 --> 01:10:33,719
ordinance amending the original

1644
01:10:33,719 --> 01:10:37,719
ordinance that that expires on the SE on

1645
01:10:37,719 --> 01:10:41,000
Monday and this is just pushing that uh

1646
01:10:41,000 --> 01:10:43,480
moratorium period out another 90 days to

1647
01:10:43,480 --> 01:10:46,000
September 10th but it's anticipated

1648
01:10:46,000 --> 01:10:49,040
you'll get that before that time but the

1649
01:10:49,040 --> 01:10:51,400
ordinance final

1650
01:10:51,400 --> 01:10:54,360
action just the one that answer your

1651
01:10:54,360 --> 01:10:57,239
question Mr all

1652
01:10:57,239 --> 01:11:02,120
right motion so Mo second all in favor I

1653
01:11:02,120 --> 01:11:05,920
thank you thank you uh the next item is

1654
01:11:05,920 --> 01:11:09,040
um ceremonial resolution recognizing

1655
01:11:09,040 --> 01:11:12,679
juneth 2024 we do this every year so

1656
01:11:12,679 --> 01:11:15,000
just asking for the council to consider

1657
01:11:15,000 --> 01:11:18,719
passing a resolution um recognizing Jun

1658
01:11:18,719 --> 01:11:21,239
so second all those in

1659
01:11:21,239 --> 01:11:24,040
favor item number four revisiting a

1660
01:11:24,040 --> 01:11:26,400
discussion about reducing speed to 25

1661
01:11:26,400 --> 01:11:29,280
mph and other traffic safety measures

1662
01:11:29,280 --> 01:11:31,840
Miss Patrick yes um I first want to

1663
01:11:31,840 --> 01:11:34,679
clarify that I wasn't um thinking that

1664
01:11:34,679 --> 01:11:36,719
we would be 25 miles hour across the

1665
01:11:36,719 --> 01:11:39,360
whole city but rather that um certain

1666
01:11:39,360 --> 01:11:41,199
neighborhoods would so we basically I

1667
01:11:41,199 --> 01:11:42,840
just wanted to initiate the discussion

1668
01:11:42,840 --> 01:11:45,600
again because residents have come to us

1669
01:11:45,600 --> 01:11:48,000
again continue to come to us about the

1670
01:11:48,000 --> 01:11:49,960
issue of the issues related to speeding

1671
01:11:49,960 --> 01:11:52,880
and other traffic uh violations in the

1672
01:11:52,880 --> 01:11:55,960
city so um

1673
01:11:55,960 --> 01:11:57,480
you know I wanted to bring it back I

1674
01:11:57,480 --> 01:11:58,840
thought that we probably would need to

1675
01:11:58,840 --> 01:12:02,280
have um other staff come in um and talk

1676
01:12:02,280 --> 01:12:04,440
about this but just wanted to put it out

1677
01:12:04,440 --> 01:12:06,199
on the table and see if folks were

1678
01:12:06,199 --> 01:12:09,040
interested in revisiting

1679
01:12:09,040 --> 01:12:12,520
this well the last time that we did um

1680
01:12:12,520 --> 01:12:14,440
discuss this Mr Wallen was here and he

1681
01:12:14,440 --> 01:12:15,719
did say we had to have a traffic

1682
01:12:15,719 --> 01:12:17,639
engineer who was also here but if I

1683
01:12:17,639 --> 01:12:19,840
remember correctly and in addition to

1684
01:12:19,840 --> 01:12:22,480
that um we would if we were going to do

1685
01:12:22,480 --> 01:12:23,960
we have to figure out where we could do

1686
01:12:23,960 --> 01:12:25,360
it versus where we couldn't because

1687
01:12:25,360 --> 01:12:28,040
places we wouldn't be able to do it uh

1688
01:12:28,040 --> 01:12:29,679
at this point in

1689
01:12:29,679 --> 01:12:32,199
time I don't know if Mr wall has put

1690
01:12:32,199 --> 01:12:33,880
anything forward or we even asked him to

1691
01:12:33,880 --> 01:12:36,719
put anything forward where we couldn't I'm not sure if it's

1692
01:12:36,719 --> 01:12:42,080
Mr Wallen or um uh M

1693
01:12:42,080 --> 01:12:45,040
Mr no but he's working with Mr wall

1694
01:12:45,040 --> 01:12:48,199
right Brian can Brian Canon Mr Canon Mr

1695
01:12:48,199 --> 01:12:51,199
Canon I've not met him what I've not met

1696
01:12:51,199 --> 01:12:54,120
him no I haven't either but um I'm happy

1697
01:12:54,120 --> 01:12:56,920
to reach out to them or would that be

1698
01:12:56,920 --> 01:12:59,560
appropriate for your office to reach out

1699
01:12:59,560 --> 01:13:01,040
to them to try to present something

1700
01:13:01,040 --> 01:13:03,239
there to us we have to ask what you want

1701
01:13:03,239 --> 01:13:06,400
presented right I guess I'd like to have

1702
01:13:06,400 --> 01:13:09,719
you know um their recommendations on uh

1703
01:13:09,719 --> 01:13:13,080
whether reducing the speed limit to 25 M

1704
01:13:13,080 --> 01:13:16,760
an hour in certain areas of the city

1705
01:13:16,760 --> 01:13:18,480
would help to alleviate some of the

1706
01:13:18,480 --> 01:13:20,760
issues that residents are coming forth

1707
01:13:20,760 --> 01:13:22,920
with concern about um so it would

1708
01:13:22,920 --> 01:13:29,590
probably be a traffic study um

1709
01:13:29,600 --> 01:13:32,520
yes Mr uh fary yeah yeah i' I'd also

1710
01:13:32,520 --> 01:13:34,560
like to know like where like kind of

1711
01:13:34,560 --> 01:13:36,679
like what are the parameters in which

1712
01:13:36,679 --> 01:13:38,199
those decisions are made for like where

1713
01:13:38,199 --> 01:13:41,080
we could decrease speed limit and where

1714
01:13:41,080 --> 01:13:42,639
we couldn't because I remember like one

1715
01:13:42,639 --> 01:13:44,679
point in the conversation I was thinking

1716
01:13:44,679 --> 01:13:46,440
we just need to increase stop signs

1717
01:13:46,440 --> 01:13:49,080
right and then kind of and I don't know

1718
01:13:49,080 --> 01:13:51,239
if I'm wrong about this but I remember I

1719
01:13:51,239 --> 01:13:52,760
think it was Mr rer that was saying that

1720
01:13:52,760 --> 01:13:54,639
actually increasing stop signs at

1721
01:13:54,639 --> 01:13:55,920
certain places

1722
01:13:55,920 --> 01:14:00,199
won't decrease uh will actually can have

1723
01:14:00,199 --> 01:14:02,199
uh reverse effect and won't make things

1724
01:14:02,199 --> 01:14:04,560
safer kind of cuz there's some other

1725
01:14:04,560 --> 01:14:06,639
byproducts of that that I was unaware of

1726
01:14:06,639 --> 01:14:08,560
like so I was thinking like yeah I'd

1727
01:14:08,560 --> 01:14:09,639
like

1728
01:14:09,639 --> 01:14:12,600
to to to see like where we could do that

1729
01:14:12,600 --> 01:14:13,880
and where we couldn't and kind of what

1730
01:14:13,880 --> 01:14:15,639
the rationale was why and I guess my

1731
01:14:15,639 --> 01:14:20,719
question is does that require uh a a

1732
01:14:20,719 --> 01:14:23,040
complete traffic study or is that more

1733
01:14:23,040 --> 01:14:24,719
is there something Mr may I don't know

1734
01:14:24,719 --> 01:14:26,560
like if like is there something that

1735
01:14:26,560 --> 01:14:29,960
where we can get kind of more of a at a

1736
01:14:29,960 --> 01:14:32,239
glance or is there going to be a traffic

1737
01:14:32,239 --> 01:14:33,880
study conducted anyway so should we just

1738
01:14:33,880 --> 01:14:34,960
kind of wait for that I guess that's

1739
01:14:34,960 --> 01:14:37,199
what my question is well some it's a

1740
01:14:37,199 --> 01:14:39,239
policy decision of the council what the

1741
01:14:39,239 --> 01:14:41,239
speed limit

1742
01:14:41,239 --> 01:14:44,920
is some changes do require study to

1743
01:14:44,920 --> 01:14:47,719
validate or substantiate what action

1744
01:14:47,719 --> 01:14:50,400
you're taking again it depends on what

1745
01:14:50,400 --> 01:14:54,080
road and what the intent is and what the

1746
01:14:54,080 --> 01:14:56,800
council's looking to to

1747
01:14:56,800 --> 01:15:02,440
do Patrick and I just want to say that was where you're right that the

1748
01:15:02,440 --> 01:15:04,920
other traffic calming measures um an

1749
01:15:04,920 --> 01:15:06,840
expression that I learned when we you

1750
01:15:06,840 --> 01:15:08,400
know over the course of time of talking

1751
01:15:08,400 --> 01:15:10,800
about this would include you know

1752
01:15:10,800 --> 01:15:13,480
looking at stop signs looking at um you

1753
01:15:13,480 --> 01:15:15,280
know speed bumps looking at all those

1754
01:15:15,280 --> 01:15:17,400
other kinds of things that might help

1755
01:15:17,400 --> 01:15:19,000
but there's also because we also have

1756
01:15:19,000 --> 01:15:20,960
had the conversation around the other

1757
01:15:20,960 --> 01:15:23,880
side of this which is enforcement um so

1758
01:15:23,880 --> 01:15:27,360
in fact um we've even had you know our

1759
01:15:27,360 --> 01:15:29,400
police come and talk to us about that

1760
01:15:29,400 --> 01:15:31,800
because that has implications as well

1761
01:15:31,800 --> 01:15:33,920
all around Staffing around you know

1762
01:15:33,920 --> 01:15:36,960
around lots of stuff so I just wanted to

1763
01:15:36,960 --> 01:15:39,480
bring it back to the table because um

1764
01:15:39,480 --> 01:15:41,000
obviously we're hearing from residents

1765
01:15:41,000 --> 01:15:42,199
at least I have been hearing from

1766
01:15:42,199 --> 01:15:45,800
residents um continuously around issues

1767
01:15:45,800 --> 01:15:47,199
that they feel are happening in their

1768
01:15:47,199 --> 01:15:50,239
neighborhoods because of

1769
01:15:50,239 --> 01:15:52,719
speeding I'm sorry you were making a

1770
01:15:52,719 --> 01:15:57,560
point and just yeah I was I guess I was I was thinking about because I

1771
01:15:57,560 --> 01:15:59,239
know that we did you know that on Kings

1772
01:15:59,239 --> 01:16:00,800
Road and we got a lot of information and

1773
01:16:00,800 --> 01:16:03,159
data um that was based on Kings Road in

1774
01:16:03,159 --> 01:16:05,920
particular and based on that information

1775
01:16:05,920 --> 01:16:07,920
that we got from you know Kings Rose is

1776
01:16:07,920 --> 01:16:09,800
that something that where we can kind of

1777
01:16:09,800 --> 01:16:11,600
just repeat that in other area so my

1778
01:16:11,600 --> 01:16:13,480
question is there is there are we is

1779
01:16:13,480 --> 01:16:15,400
there going to be a larger traffic study

1780
01:16:15,400 --> 01:16:17,560
done is that in the works or is there

1781
01:16:17,560 --> 01:16:20,960
going to be um responsive to whatever

1782
01:16:20,960 --> 01:16:22,239
neighborhood are coming forth to say

1783
01:16:22,239 --> 01:16:24,000
like there's an issue yeah I don't think

1784
01:16:24,000 --> 01:16:25,400
that we have anything under way right

1785
01:16:25,400 --> 01:16:29,159
now okay cuz I cuz Okay so I guess that

1786
01:16:29,159 --> 01:16:33,800
really kind of goes to to the mayor is there um based on what all the input

1787
01:16:33,800 --> 01:16:35,360
and all the discussions we have is there

1788
01:16:35,360 --> 01:16:37,520
um a traffic study underway right now

1789
01:16:37,520 --> 01:16:39,320
well we're collecting a lot more data

1790
01:16:39,320 --> 01:16:42,480
than we've had and we're collecting more

1791
01:16:42,480 --> 01:16:44,960
than most municipalities have some of

1792
01:16:44,960 --> 01:16:48,080
the other Comming devices the speed

1793
01:16:48,080 --> 01:16:50,480
humps you know we've deployed those

1794
01:16:50,480 --> 01:16:53,400
looked at what the uh impact is we moved

1795
01:16:53,400 --> 01:16:55,719
from a couple locations

1796
01:16:55,719 --> 01:16:59,440
uh I have not seen any accident

1797
01:16:59,440 --> 01:17:02,040
information from that which is what

1798
01:17:02,040 --> 01:17:04,159
really drives a lot of

1799
01:17:04,159 --> 01:17:08,639
these events you know the speeding might

1800
01:17:08,639 --> 01:17:12,080
be above what the posted limit is if you

1801
01:17:12,080 --> 01:17:15,120
don't have any accidents you know you're

1802
01:17:15,120 --> 01:17:17,600
kind of flying with the angels we do

1803
01:17:17,600 --> 01:17:19,440
some of these things where you put up

1804
01:17:19,440 --> 01:17:21,600
stop signs you're going to probably

1805
01:17:21,600 --> 01:17:25,400
increase the rear end uh collisions

1806
01:17:25,400 --> 01:17:27,719
the fender benders so that it's is what

1807
01:17:27,719 --> 01:17:29,880
you articulate what Mr Wallen pointed

1808
01:17:29,880 --> 01:17:34,520
out there are consequences or

1809
01:17:34,520 --> 01:17:37,080
different scenarios that play out for

1810
01:17:37,080 --> 01:17:39,840
any of these changes that you make and

1811
01:17:39,840 --> 01:17:42,800
we've all talked about the overall thing

1812
01:17:42,800 --> 01:17:46,639
is uh just educating people to be

1813
01:17:46,639 --> 01:17:48,560
compliant with

1814
01:17:48,560 --> 01:17:50,920
what the regulations are when they

1815
01:17:50,920 --> 01:17:53,560
driving a car and if yeah you do that it

1816
01:17:53,560 --> 01:17:57,910
makes life a lot simpler

1817
01:17:57,920 --> 01:18:00,040
may put that on the world peace

1818
01:18:00,040 --> 01:18:03,600
resolution just file file the BNT law

1819
01:18:03,600 --> 01:18:06,440
too but yes if you want some of that

1820
01:18:06,440 --> 01:18:09,440
back we can maybe break it down into

1821
01:18:09,440 --> 01:18:11,960
components or not a lot of it you could

1822
01:18:11,960 --> 01:18:14,000
talk for 2 or 3 hours here covering the

1823
01:18:14,000 --> 01:18:16,639
whole city so it's break it down into

1824
01:18:16,639 --> 01:18:19,280
specific areas and points that we think

1825
01:18:19,280 --> 01:18:22,920
are more easily achievable to uh get

1826
01:18:22,920 --> 01:18:25,440
some of the goals that we want m so can

1827
01:18:25,440 --> 01:18:27,920
you just a couple minutes to hammer that

1828
01:18:27,920 --> 01:18:29,120
out Mr Williams did you have something

1829
01:18:29,120 --> 01:18:30,440
you want to say yes and I was going to

1830
01:18:30,440 --> 01:18:35,239
add to Mr mayor's point I think it's important that we uh be intentional

1831
01:18:35,239 --> 01:18:37,239
of what we're trying to achieve and case

1832
01:18:37,239 --> 01:18:39,719
point being driven by like either

1833
01:18:39,719 --> 01:18:41,719
accident prone areas or like new high

1834
01:18:41,719 --> 01:18:44,800
nuisance areas where again to this point

1835
01:18:44,800 --> 01:18:46,080
like if we're trying to implicate a

1836
01:18:46,080 --> 01:18:48,639
change like old add don't change that's

1837
01:18:48,639 --> 01:18:51,280
not broken so I know some people uh

1838
01:18:51,280 --> 01:18:52,920
don't put a lot of value in calling the

1839
01:18:52,920 --> 01:18:54,960
police department because it may be

1840
01:18:54,960 --> 01:18:56,880
responsive and and not preventative in

1841
01:18:56,880 --> 01:18:58,360
some instances which I would argue

1842
01:18:58,360 --> 01:19:00,440
against I think that provides us the

1843
01:19:00,440 --> 01:19:03,080
proper data and context to evaluate

1844
01:19:03,080 --> 01:19:05,159
doing these types of measures so again

1845
01:19:05,159 --> 01:19:08,080
it's the mayor's point of U

1846
01:19:08,080 --> 01:19:09,719
understanding that you taking it upon

1847
01:19:09,719 --> 01:19:10,920
yourself to speed throughout different

1848
01:19:10,920 --> 01:19:13,400
communities or to uh drive on the

1849
01:19:13,400 --> 01:19:15,679
roadway in a manner that's not uh

1850
01:19:15,679 --> 01:19:17,320
appropriate it comes at expense to

1851
01:19:17,320 --> 01:19:20,040
someone else uh so so again please be

1852
01:19:20,040 --> 01:19:22,400
considered of your surroundings um but

1853
01:19:22,400 --> 01:19:24,159
also again if you are identifying these

1854
01:19:24,159 --> 01:19:25,960
areas Within in your community please

1855
01:19:25,960 --> 01:19:27,800
call the police department for better or

1856
01:19:27,800 --> 01:19:29,560
worse that helps us as a council

1857
01:19:29,560 --> 01:19:30,880
identify the appropriate means to

1858
01:19:30,880 --> 01:19:32,880
respond and as a council we need to make

1859
01:19:32,880 --> 01:19:34,400
sure that we have that understanding in

1860
01:19:34,400 --> 01:19:36,280
mind if we gather this information and

1861
01:19:36,280 --> 01:19:39,040
do nothing with it it is intrinsically a

1862
01:19:39,040 --> 01:19:40,520
waste of time so as long as we're

1863
01:19:40,520 --> 01:19:42,880
motivated to act with this information I

1864
01:19:42,880 --> 01:19:45,960
think that is the most appropriate Way

1865
01:19:45,960 --> 01:19:49,040
Forward yes Mr M yeah thank you I think

1866
01:19:49,040 --> 01:19:50,960
when we discussed it the last time we we

1867
01:19:50,960 --> 01:19:53,199
did identify a couple areas especially

1868
01:19:53,199 --> 01:19:55,440
the school zone I think was was a focus

1869
01:19:55,440 --> 01:19:58,480
point in into the school zone to look at

1870
01:19:58,480 --> 01:20:01,320
how we 25 hours historically would

1871
01:20:01,320 --> 01:20:03,920
affect those well they they're 15 they

1872
01:20:03,920 --> 01:20:06,800
are and high traffic high traffic area

1873
01:20:06,800 --> 01:20:09,840
high accident area so um I think we ask

1874
01:20:09,840 --> 01:20:11,719
for report I'm mistaken so we just have

1875
01:20:11,719 --> 01:20:13,920
to follow back and see where those

1876
01:20:13,920 --> 01:20:14,960
reports

1877
01:20:14,960 --> 01:20:18,080
are yeah the school district I'm sorry

1878
01:20:18,080 --> 01:20:20,760
but um Miss pill let me just um I think

1879
01:20:20,760 --> 01:20:22,960
the school the school zones are already

1880
01:20:22,960 --> 01:20:27,880
set at 15 M hour M um but I think you

1881
01:20:27,880 --> 01:20:30,280
know in terms of other

1882
01:20:30,280 --> 01:20:33,360
high areas I think Mr Williams just said

1883
01:20:33,360 --> 01:20:35,120
you know where there there's more

1884
01:20:35,120 --> 01:20:38,320
accidents or more violations that that

1885
01:20:38,320 --> 01:20:41,960
is we can we can ask for that

1886
01:20:41,960 --> 01:20:45,239
specific you another comment no I I just

1887
01:20:45,239 --> 01:20:46,920
want to add I mean in terms of that we

1888
01:20:46,920 --> 01:20:51,080
can um look at we have I'm trying to

1889
01:20:51,080 --> 01:20:52,480
think back what we discussed and what we

1890
01:20:52,480 --> 01:20:53,920
asked for at that point in time and

1891
01:20:53,920 --> 01:20:56,840
we're supposed to um get some report in

1892
01:20:56,840 --> 01:20:58,800
terms of the speeding across the city

1893
01:20:58,800 --> 01:21:01,960
and high traffic area high accident area

1894
01:21:01,960 --> 01:21:03,440
and to bring that back but I think it

1895
01:21:03,440 --> 01:21:06,719
went D that one time so I think getting

1896
01:21:06,719 --> 01:21:08,480
those reports would help us to identify

1897
01:21:08,480 --> 01:21:11,040
the area that needed the attention and

1898
01:21:11,040 --> 01:21:12,920
uh to look at the speed limit at that

1899
01:21:12,920 --> 01:21:16,679
point in time Mr Mr Mayor the highest

1900
01:21:16,679 --> 01:21:20,199
incident area for both Auto pedestrian

1901
01:21:20,199 --> 01:21:24,040
in just Autos is Brandy Wine Avenue at

1902
01:21:24,040 --> 01:21:25,080
state

1903
01:21:25,080 --> 01:21:28,560
Albany Dwayne and when you get to

1904
01:21:28,560 --> 01:21:31,360
890 we have

1905
01:21:31,360 --> 01:21:34,480
spent a number of years lining up the

1906
01:21:34,480 --> 01:21:38,080
money rebuilding that uh realigning it

1907
01:21:38,080 --> 01:21:39,760
and there's still some constraints

1908
01:21:39,760 --> 01:21:41,320
because it's Mon and Old City you don't

1909
01:21:41,320 --> 01:21:43,480
get things necessarily quite the

1910
01:21:43,480 --> 01:21:46,960
dimensions you want and I think all the

1911
01:21:46,960 --> 01:21:51,080
traffic control devices now are

1912
01:21:51,080 --> 01:21:54,719
operational being sequenced and so that

1913
01:21:54,719 --> 01:21:57,400
scenario where hopefully we're going to

1914
01:21:57,400 --> 01:22:00,000
see we spent a lot of money millions of

1915
01:22:00,000 --> 01:22:02,560
dollars that we're going to see a drop

1916
01:22:02,560 --> 01:22:05,199
in the number of events there and some

1917
01:22:05,199 --> 01:22:09,000
of that will learn from that uh do these

1918
01:22:09,000 --> 01:22:13,120
things pay off in terms of uh

1919
01:22:13,120 --> 01:22:16,679
minimizing auto accidents and again it

1920
01:22:16,679 --> 01:22:18,280
had the highest incidence of Auto

1921
01:22:18,280 --> 01:22:20,560
pedestrian those are ones where you get

1922
01:22:20,560 --> 01:22:24,159
you know serious injuries a lot of the

1923
01:22:24,159 --> 01:22:26,080
uh auto accidents where you get two cars

1924
01:22:26,080 --> 01:22:27,840
bumping into each other yes it's not

1925
01:22:27,840 --> 01:22:31,360
good uh yes today's world it's not cheap

1926
01:22:31,360 --> 01:22:34,679
either but uh the injuries are minimal

1927
01:22:34,679 --> 01:22:37,159
so it'll uh be an area where we spend a

1928
01:22:37,159 --> 01:22:38,800
lot of time collected a lot of

1929
01:22:38,800 --> 01:22:40,719
information and are going to be able to

1930
01:22:40,719 --> 01:22:42,920
see you know hopefully these things are

1931
01:22:42,920 --> 01:22:45,480
working and making a difference Mr M

1932
01:22:45,480 --> 01:22:47,199
yeah just add to that so one of the take

1933
01:22:47,199 --> 01:22:48,880
away from the last discussion we had was

1934
01:22:48,880 --> 01:22:51,239
the enforcement and do we have the manp

1935
01:22:51,239 --> 01:22:53,679
power from the police department to do

1936
01:22:53,679 --> 01:22:55,960
this enforcement because it's one thing

1937
01:22:55,960 --> 01:22:58,679
that we reduce the speed limit to 25 if

1938
01:22:58,679 --> 01:23:00,719
we ever to do that but how are we going

1939
01:23:00,719 --> 01:23:02,960
to enforce it there's nobody here from

1940
01:23:02,960 --> 01:23:05,040
the police department yes it's not

1941
01:23:05,040 --> 01:23:07,040
necessarily my position but if they were

1942
01:23:07,040 --> 01:23:09,639
here they would say any more C

1943
01:23:09,639 --> 01:23:11,719
yes and that's what I'm trying to

1944
01:23:11,719 --> 01:23:13,239
because if we're going to do this then

1945
01:23:13,239 --> 01:23:14,520
we we need we're going to need to

1946
01:23:14,520 --> 01:23:17,639
enforce it but then how do we enforce it

1947
01:23:17,639 --> 01:23:19,480
and and just I just want to follow then

1948
01:23:19,480 --> 01:23:21,560
Mr Williams and Miss um Miss Patrick

1949
01:23:21,560 --> 01:23:23,639
that another area of the city that we're

1950
01:23:23,639 --> 01:23:25,960
hearing a lot of PL where at least I am

1951
01:23:25,960 --> 01:23:29,120
is down on um Area Boulevard people

1952
01:23:29,120 --> 01:23:30,400
coming out of the side streets and

1953
01:23:30,400 --> 01:23:32,040
trying pedestrians I'm talking about

1954
01:23:32,040 --> 01:23:34,199
here trying to make their way across and

1955
01:23:34,199 --> 01:23:35,239
things that have happened people have

1956
01:23:35,239 --> 01:23:37,880
gotten hit so um we we definitely need

1957
01:23:37,880 --> 01:23:40,360
to address this in some way I'm not sure

1958
01:23:40,360 --> 01:23:43,080
if 25 mph or more traffic calming

1959
01:23:43,080 --> 01:23:46,199
devices or more right but we definitely

1960
01:23:46,199 --> 01:23:48,520
need to to um bring this to a place

1961
01:23:48,520 --> 01:23:50,400
where we can Mak make it makes a

1962
01:23:50,400 --> 01:23:54,880
difference stor my comment was going to your point there are hidden corridors

1963
01:23:54,880 --> 01:23:57,320
around the the city where if we continue

1964
01:23:57,320 --> 01:23:59,679
to try to retroact respond to it I think

1965
01:23:59,679 --> 01:24:01,360
we're always going to be chasing traffic

1966
01:24:01,360 --> 01:24:02,800
and then also Chief Clifford did come

1967
01:24:02,800 --> 01:24:04,600
here and provide a presentation of you

1968
01:24:04,600 --> 01:24:06,600
put a device that identifies that you're

1969
01:24:06,600 --> 01:24:08,280
exceeding speeding or you put a patrol

1970
01:24:08,280 --> 01:24:10,400
officer in any one position in the city

1971
01:24:10,400 --> 01:24:12,440
and almost instantaneously all disc

1972
01:24:12,440 --> 01:24:13,880
connected he knows to just drive around

1973
01:24:13,880 --> 01:24:16,400
that police officer but to your point Mr

1974
01:24:16,400 --> 01:24:19,239
M the conversation around the school

1975
01:24:19,239 --> 01:24:21,639
zones was uh I think there's a home rule

1976
01:24:21,639 --> 01:24:24,679
or something that we could apply to to

1977
01:24:24,679 --> 01:24:28,199
receive to cameras in those areas and

1978
01:24:28,199 --> 01:24:31,960
myself and Mr palini was to requesting

1979
01:24:31,960 --> 01:24:33,840
to see if that can be extended to other

1980
01:24:33,840 --> 01:24:35,520
areas in our community where we can

1981
01:24:35,520 --> 01:24:38,520
utilize technology to kind of identify

1982
01:24:38,520 --> 01:24:40,119
excessive speeding and then also do like

1983
01:24:40,119 --> 01:24:41,639
automatic ticket

1984
01:24:41,639 --> 01:24:44,400
ticketing so just to um we already the

1985
01:24:44,400 --> 01:24:45,960
home rule we've sent it in we have our

1986
01:24:45,960 --> 01:24:47,239
bill numbers I'll be sending you

1987
01:24:47,239 --> 01:24:49,119
actually update on that where we are

1988
01:24:49,119 --> 01:24:50,920
with that so that's we did follow up on

1989
01:24:50,920 --> 01:24:54,040
it yeah and so just so you know didn't

1990
01:24:54,040 --> 01:24:56,000
just go the way

1991
01:24:56,000 --> 01:24:59,119
of uh you know black hole or something

1992
01:24:59,119 --> 01:25:01,440
so it's it's been followed up and and we

1993
01:25:01,440 --> 01:25:03,600
finally are there miss Patrick did you

1994
01:25:03,600 --> 01:25:05,520
have another comment well I just um I

1995
01:25:05,520 --> 01:25:07,639
think that you know basically I think we

1996
01:25:07,639 --> 01:25:08,560
probably would want to have a

1997
01:25:08,560 --> 01:25:11,440
presentation by uh whether it's Mr

1998
01:25:11,440 --> 01:25:14,679
Wallen uh Mr um I'm

1999
01:25:14,679 --> 01:25:18,000
sorry Canon uh and someone from the

2000
01:25:18,000 --> 01:25:20,080
police department maybe a joint you know

2001
01:25:20,080 --> 01:25:21,800
the three of them um I think that would

2002
01:25:21,800 --> 01:25:24,400
be a good thing I mean I'm sure I I

2003
01:25:24,400 --> 01:25:26,280
think another thing would be

2004
01:25:26,280 --> 01:25:28,520
if I mean I heard from somebody again

2005
01:25:28,520 --> 01:25:30,040
today that's in a different neighborhood

2006
01:25:30,040 --> 01:25:31,639
from other people that I've heard from

2007
01:25:31,639 --> 01:25:34,280
so I'm sure if we all if if you all are

2008
01:25:34,280 --> 01:25:36,920
getting uh similar kinds of things maybe

2009
01:25:36,920 --> 01:25:39,639
we could also you know maybe send you

2010
01:25:39,639 --> 01:25:42,480
know to to miss Miku you know here's

2011
01:25:42,480 --> 01:25:43,800
this neighborhood that neighborhood this

2012
01:25:43,800 --> 01:25:46,639
neighborhood in preparation for and then

2013
01:25:46,639 --> 01:25:49,280
get that passed on to the um to the

2014
01:25:49,280 --> 01:25:52,159
folks around a presentation or you know

2015
01:25:52,159 --> 01:25:53,920
little studies in certain neighborhoods

2016
01:25:53,920 --> 01:25:57,520
depending on who we're hearing from um I don't know just throw that out to you

2017
01:25:57,520 --> 01:25:59,480
all no I think that makes sense because

2018
01:25:59,480 --> 01:26:02,080
we're trying to do this by a silo kind

2019
01:26:02,080 --> 01:26:05,280
of uh approach is not working right and

2020
01:26:05,280 --> 01:26:06,840
so we need to know so they can take a

2021
01:26:06,840 --> 01:26:09,080
bit a look more a more overall look so I

2022
01:26:09,080 --> 01:26:11,400
think that's a good suggestion so with

2023
01:26:11,400 --> 01:26:13,639
that if anyone has anything you know

2024
01:26:13,639 --> 01:26:15,400
forwarded because I know that all of us

2025
01:26:15,400 --> 01:26:17,560
or each of you know individually or more

2026
01:26:17,560 --> 01:26:18,920
than one I don't know how they all send

2027
01:26:18,920 --> 01:26:20,600
their emails not sure how people decide

2028
01:26:20,600 --> 01:26:23,600
where to send their emails but um get um

2029
01:26:23,600 --> 01:26:26,119
emails and comments regarding traffic

2030
01:26:26,119 --> 01:26:27,800
safety issues and I usually forward mine

2031
01:26:27,800 --> 01:26:30,440
onto the mayor's office um but it's a

2032
01:26:30,440 --> 01:26:31,679
good idea if we're going to do this

2033
01:26:31,679 --> 01:26:34,639
report that people um forward them all

2034
01:26:34,639 --> 01:26:36,440
to miss Miku and she can then forward on

2035
01:26:36,440 --> 01:26:40,280
them on to um the whoever's going to do

2036
01:26:40,280 --> 01:26:41,520
the presentation I think it's a good

2037
01:26:41,520 --> 01:26:43,920
idea to have people from all all three

2038
01:26:43,920 --> 01:26:45,520
of the groups that you mentioned the

2039
01:26:45,520 --> 01:26:49,400
chief Mr Wallen and Mr Cannon um to come

2040
01:26:49,400 --> 01:26:52,320
and don't have us in terms of timing I

2041
01:26:52,320 --> 01:26:53,520
think we'd have to give them more than

2042
01:26:53,520 --> 01:26:56,480
two weeks yeah so um just I just don't

2043
01:26:56,480 --> 01:26:58,880
want to lose it again in terms of this

2044
01:26:58,880 --> 01:27:00,239
the third time that we've talked about

2045
01:27:00,239 --> 01:27:03,440
it um I think I put the dates in here

2046
01:27:03,440 --> 01:27:07,040
that we have addressed it before so

2047
01:27:07,040 --> 01:27:11,239
um um Mr yeah I guess um I think that we

2048
01:27:11,239 --> 01:27:13,119
should cuz we're collecting all this

2049
01:27:13,119 --> 01:27:15,000
data and I remember Mr fuchi kind of

2050
01:27:15,000 --> 01:27:16,360
came and gave us a presentation that was

2051
01:27:16,360 --> 01:27:17,639
really cool and I was like you know

2052
01:27:17,639 --> 01:27:19,040
really shocked at the level of like all

2053
01:27:19,040 --> 01:27:20,840
the information we could get so I would

2054
01:27:20,840 --> 01:27:23,760
just say that we should be looking at

2055
01:27:23,760 --> 01:27:25,880
the the information that we have

2056
01:27:25,880 --> 01:27:28,960
currently and see what is actionable I

2057
01:27:28,960 --> 01:27:31,239
think that's a pretty uh safe place as

2058
01:27:31,239 --> 01:27:33,600
our what what's actionable and not only

2059
01:27:33,600 --> 01:27:35,119
an enforcement because we keep talking

2060
01:27:35,119 --> 01:27:37,520
about awareness and education and I

2061
01:27:37,520 --> 01:27:39,000
think that that might be something that

2062
01:27:39,000 --> 01:27:43,080
is a is a a easier lift than necessarily

2063
01:27:43,080 --> 01:27:44,719
enforcement or maybe I should say a

2064
01:27:44,719 --> 01:27:46,000
different lift but it's just something

2065
01:27:46,000 --> 01:27:48,159
that's I say that we really is worth

2066
01:27:48,159 --> 01:27:49,920
exploring with the with the data and the

2067
01:27:49,920 --> 01:27:52,280
information that we have now and I think

2068
01:27:52,280 --> 01:27:53,840
that you know some of the qualitative

2069
01:27:53,840 --> 01:27:55,880
data of residents that are saying this

2070
01:27:55,880 --> 01:27:57,760
is impeding my quality of life or

2071
01:27:57,760 --> 01:27:59,760
something that where we can at least if

2072
01:27:59,760 --> 01:28:01,960
we can't you know

2073
01:28:01,960 --> 01:28:04,920
justify uh certain interventions without

2074
01:28:04,920 --> 01:28:07,880
a traffic study then what what is within

2075
01:28:07,880 --> 01:28:09,440
our real house where we can least

2076
01:28:09,440 --> 01:28:10,920
respond to your point so we're not

2077
01:28:10,920 --> 01:28:12,719
continuous so just I mean this is a

2078
01:28:12,719 --> 01:28:14,719
conversation I'm sure will go on and on

2079
01:28:14,719 --> 01:28:16,360
but at least as the conversation going

2080
01:28:16,360 --> 01:28:17,679
on we can be responsive based on the

2081
01:28:17,679 --> 01:28:20,760
data that we have I also think that um

2082
01:28:20,760 --> 01:28:22,880
this will be a good uh place to kind of

2083
01:28:22,880 --> 01:28:24,920
partner with the school district I I do

2084
01:28:24,920 --> 01:28:26,719
remember some time ago there's

2085
01:28:26,719 --> 01:28:29,320
conversations about like um um some of

2086
01:28:29,320 --> 01:28:30,719
the research that the schools district

2087
01:28:30,719 --> 01:28:32,480
has done on like walking school bus

2088
01:28:32,480 --> 01:28:34,639
models and walkability for students to

2089
01:28:34,639 --> 01:28:35,880
get to school and I think that those

2090
01:28:35,880 --> 01:28:38,360
could be um good data points to see like

2091
01:28:38,360 --> 01:28:39,840
how we can respond there and I know that

2092
01:28:39,840 --> 01:28:42,119
the mayor was you know really open to

2093
01:28:42,119 --> 01:28:44,119
supporting you know any way that we can

2094
01:28:44,119 --> 01:28:45,960
increase safety for our Walkers within

2095
01:28:45,960 --> 01:28:47,320
the school district so I think that we

2096
01:28:47,320 --> 01:28:48,960
should maybe include them in that

2097
01:28:48,960 --> 01:28:50,639
conversation I would definitely reach

2098
01:28:50,639 --> 01:28:54,760
out um to do that that's okay okay

2099
01:28:54,760 --> 01:28:57,199
are you just waving that's all you hand

2100
01:28:57,199 --> 01:29:02,709
go you

2101
01:29:02,719 --> 01:29:06,360
Mr okay been

2102
01:29:06,360 --> 01:29:09,719
involuntary any for the

2103
01:29:09,719 --> 01:29:13,760
discussion okay so we will um uh just to

2104
01:29:13,760 --> 01:29:15,760
uh wrap it up we'll send the information

2105
01:29:15,760 --> 01:29:18,080
any any group any one we heard from any

2106
01:29:18,080 --> 01:29:20,440
areas we'll forward it to miss Miku Miss

2107
01:29:20,440 --> 01:29:22,360
mik who can um bring forward it and

2108
01:29:22,360 --> 01:29:24,639
there we'd have to ask you um whether we

2109
01:29:24,639 --> 01:29:27,920
could get the police chief Mr Wallen and

2110
01:29:27,920 --> 01:29:30,560
Mr Canon to um put the information

2111
01:29:30,560 --> 01:29:32,119
together and provide a report to the

2112
01:29:32,119 --> 01:29:35,280
city council and and U so will a month

2113
01:29:35,280 --> 01:29:38,159
be done with you two cycles we bring it

2114
01:29:38,159 --> 01:29:44,390
back uh two cycles okay thank you thank

2115
01:29:44,400 --> 01:29:49,119
you um the next four

2116
01:29:49,119 --> 01:29:51,600
items the M Street needs to be executive

2117
01:29:51,600 --> 01:29:53,800
session yes the ordinance should be

2118
01:29:53,800 --> 01:29:55,679
public

2119
01:29:55,679 --> 01:29:58,440
the so item number five is the ordinance

2120
01:29:58,440 --> 01:30:03,669
abandoning a portion of a mist stre m

2121
01:30:03,679 --> 01:30:05,840
barash

2122
01:30:05,840 --> 01:30:18,669
um did you

2123
01:30:18,679 --> 01:30:23,480
want we uh now are we going to dig with

2124
01:30:23,480 --> 01:30:26,709
okay I'll take a

2125
01:30:26,719 --> 01:30:29,880
problem so uh there is a vacant lot on

2126
01:30:29,880 --> 01:30:32,360
Amelia Street Amelia Street is a paper

2127
01:30:32,360 --> 01:30:37,080
Street um there are two buyers

2128
01:30:37,080 --> 01:30:41,760
interested in purchasing portions of it

2129
01:30:41,760 --> 01:30:45,159
uh this has been discussed

2130
01:30:45,159 --> 01:30:47,760
previously uh we are now ready to move

2131
01:30:47,760 --> 01:30:50,159
forward from the Law Department we

2132
01:30:50,159 --> 01:30:52,159
needed

2133
01:30:52,159 --> 01:30:54,719
um uh legal descript

2134
01:30:54,719 --> 01:30:58,000
for each of the Lots in order to be able

2135
01:30:58,000 --> 01:31:01,360
to describe them in an ordinance and

2136
01:31:01,360 --> 01:31:06,000
thereafter in uh the respective Deeds so

2137
01:31:06,000 --> 01:31:08,480
you have

2138
01:31:08,480 --> 01:31:17,189
um in front of you you have the

2139
01:31:17,199 --> 01:31:21,639
nothing so we can discuss the prices in

2140
01:31:21,639 --> 01:31:26,390
executive will

2141
01:31:26,400 --> 01:31:28,320
so in terms of the abandonment piece of

2142
01:31:28,320 --> 01:31:30,400
it though I thought we were going to

2143
01:31:30,400 --> 01:31:32,520
because I see no

2144
01:31:32,520 --> 01:31:35,760
documentation that at all regarding the

2145
01:31:35,760 --> 01:31:38,840
abandonment piece leg description I see

2146
01:31:38,840 --> 01:31:42,040
nothing I see it was the uh we had a

2147
01:31:42,040 --> 01:31:44,280
public hearing I guess last year on the

2148
01:31:44,280 --> 01:31:46,600
abandonment of the paper Street which is

2149
01:31:46,600 --> 01:31:49,320
a paper Street you know that's listed on

2150
01:31:49,320 --> 01:31:51,080
the official map is connect that

2151
01:31:51,080 --> 01:31:53,280
indicating that at some point we ever

2152
01:31:53,280 --> 01:31:55,080
wanted to use use that that would be a

2153
01:31:55,080 --> 01:31:59,080
street so what happened was last year

2154
01:31:59,080 --> 01:32:00,639
people expressed interest in the

2155
01:32:00,639 --> 01:32:03,080
purchasing this paper Street you had a

2156
01:32:03,080 --> 01:32:04,480
public hearing because you have to have

2157
01:32:04,480 --> 01:32:07,520
a public hearing before abandoning a

2158
01:32:07,520 --> 01:32:09,920
paper street that the city is no longer

2159
01:32:09,920 --> 01:32:12,239
going to be using that property for

2160
01:32:12,239 --> 01:32:13,679
anything

2161
01:32:13,679 --> 01:32:16,480
so you've done that you've done that and

2162
01:32:16,480 --> 01:32:18,119
during the course of that time period

2163
01:32:18,119 --> 01:32:19,760
when you had that public hearing last

2164
01:32:19,760 --> 01:32:23,520
year regarding the concept of banding

2165
01:32:23,520 --> 01:32:26,600
this particular portion of the

2166
01:32:26,600 --> 01:32:29,280
street there would legal descriptions

2167
01:32:29,280 --> 01:32:31,440
have been made regarding the parcel

2168
01:32:31,440 --> 01:32:34,800
itself right now it was was just on a a

2169
01:32:34,800 --> 01:32:38,400
map so therefore they had to do legal

2170
01:32:38,400 --> 01:32:41,320
descriptions by meats and Bounds and the

2171
01:32:41,320 --> 01:32:45,719
four corners of these particular Lots so

2172
01:32:45,719 --> 01:32:47,679
there's two things that you all have to

2173
01:32:47,679 --> 01:32:51,560
do is one is one you have to abandon the

2174
01:32:51,560 --> 01:32:53,880
street in other words you're making the

2175
01:32:53,880 --> 01:32:55,679
declaration and that will be in the

2176
01:32:55,679 --> 01:32:59,440
ordinance language you're not using this

2177
01:32:59,440 --> 01:33:00,840
make reference to the public hearing

2178
01:33:00,840 --> 01:33:03,199
that you had last year you're not using

2179
01:33:03,199 --> 01:33:05,199
this for a public purposes you're

2180
01:33:05,199 --> 01:33:08,080
abandoning this street and that that

2181
01:33:08,080 --> 01:33:10,199
portion that the portion that you're

2182
01:33:10,199 --> 01:33:12,159
abandoning will be in the legal

2183
01:33:12,159 --> 01:33:14,639
description of the ordinance the second

2184
01:33:14,639 --> 01:33:17,360
thing you have to do is then the actual

2185
01:33:17,360 --> 01:33:19,760
sale the sale would be in executive

2186
01:33:19,760 --> 01:33:21,400
section because there's certain terms of

2187
01:33:21,400 --> 01:33:24,600
it but the public got had up public

2188
01:33:24,600 --> 01:33:27,400
hearing that you you're abandoning the

2189
01:33:27,400 --> 01:33:31,239
public Street and you're abandoning that

2190
01:33:31,239 --> 01:33:35,679
uh paper Street with the idea of selling

2191
01:33:35,679 --> 01:33:39,520
it as parcels and and that's why you're

2192
01:33:39,520 --> 01:33:42,440
the ordinance is is goes first and then

2193
01:33:42,440 --> 01:33:44,360
the sale has to go second because you

2194
01:33:44,360 --> 01:33:48,400
have to abandon it first and then put

2195
01:33:48,400 --> 01:33:50,880
and then it will be up for sale or up

2196
01:33:50,880 --> 01:33:52,440
for sale I understand that and I

2197
01:33:52,440 --> 01:33:54,400
appreciate all of the

2198
01:33:54,400 --> 01:33:56,159
however some of that really needs to be

2199
01:33:56,159 --> 01:33:58,639
in writing because we have nothing here

2200
01:33:58,639 --> 01:34:00,880
like what you just explained really so

2201
01:34:00,880 --> 01:34:03,280
that there's some documentation of what

2202
01:34:03,280 --> 01:34:05,719
what's going on and what the process is

2203
01:34:05,719 --> 01:34:08,440
what what the ordinance will do what the

2204
01:34:08,440 --> 01:34:10,600
prop I I understand but the proposed

2205
01:34:10,600 --> 01:34:12,520
ordance when you have it on Monday we'll

2206
01:34:12,520 --> 01:34:14,440
have the public hearing notice attached

2207
01:34:14,440 --> 01:34:16,840
to it etc etc so it will be a complete

2208
01:34:16,840 --> 01:34:18,960
package so the coun in the future though

2209
01:34:18,960 --> 01:34:20,639
here we at least the council needs to be

2210
01:34:20,639 --> 01:34:21,840
able to have

2211
01:34:21,840 --> 01:34:24,400
that Madam president reason that's

2212
01:34:24,400 --> 01:34:26,199
actually um I just realized that it's

2213
01:34:26,199 --> 01:34:28,239
not in here is because we are waiting

2214
01:34:28,239 --> 01:34:30,199
for confirmation as to which legal

2215
01:34:30,199 --> 01:34:32,000
description goes with which section

2216
01:34:32,000 --> 01:34:35,040
block and lot number um so the ordinance

2217
01:34:35,040 --> 01:34:37,480
you will have it on Monday this has been

2218
01:34:37,480 --> 01:34:40,800
a process to get done and um we are just

2219
01:34:40,800 --> 01:34:42,480
waiting on that information because we

2220
01:34:42,480 --> 01:34:44,360
need to know which of the legal

2221
01:34:44,360 --> 01:34:47,000
descriptions to drop into the ordinance

2222
01:34:47,000 --> 01:34:49,159
um so that because we're

2223
01:34:49,159 --> 01:34:50,960
not

2224
01:34:50,960 --> 01:34:53,719
abandoning all the Lots we're abandoning

2225
01:34:53,719 --> 01:34:57,760
do the St so once I get confirmation of

2226
01:34:57,760 --> 01:35:01,000
which uh legal description goes with

2227
01:35:01,000 --> 01:35:03,119
which SPL then I'll be able to drop it

2228
01:35:03,119 --> 01:35:05,080
into the ordinance and you will have it

2229
01:35:05,080 --> 01:35:09,600
by um Thursday or if we get back in time

2230
01:35:09,600 --> 01:35:11,360
uh which I assume that we will and then

2231
01:35:11,360 --> 01:35:13,239
you'll have it for Monday so when you're

2232
01:35:13,239 --> 01:35:15,040
really not ready then we don't have you

2233
01:35:15,040 --> 01:35:16,400
know cuz I think the last time we talked

2234
01:35:16,400 --> 01:35:17,880
we said that we would been have so it's

2235
01:35:17,880 --> 01:35:20,960
really not today ready for we don't have

2236
01:35:20,960 --> 01:35:22,760
all of that I don't have control over

2237
01:35:22,760 --> 01:35:24,639
what information comes into me I only

2238
01:35:24,639 --> 01:35:27,159
have control over what you know what I

2239
01:35:27,159 --> 01:35:30,400
can ask for so we are in the process of

2240
01:35:30,400 --> 01:35:32,040
getting the legal description for the

2241
01:35:32,040 --> 01:35:34,800
section block of lot mbers it's a

2242
01:35:34,800 --> 01:35:38,080
process we're almost there uh We've

2243
01:35:38,080 --> 01:35:39,199
explained what the ordinance will

2244
01:35:39,199 --> 01:35:41,440
contain and it will be available to you

2245
01:35:41,440 --> 01:35:44,040
as soon as it's ready Mr

2246
01:35:44,040 --> 01:35:47,360
Mayor uh again this was also the point

2247
01:35:47,360 --> 01:35:49,040
where contention of whether we give a

2248
01:35:49,040 --> 01:35:52,360
quick claim deed or to a warranty deed

2249
01:35:52,360 --> 01:35:55,159
the those certifications for Section

2250
01:35:55,159 --> 01:35:57,000
block and lot number assigned by the

2251
01:35:57,000 --> 01:36:00,880
county isn't that correct yes so waiting

2252
01:36:00,880 --> 01:36:04,440
for that and even though it says Mr

2253
01:36:04,440 --> 01:36:06,320
O'Brien has outlined it's to do the

2254
01:36:06,320 --> 01:36:08,920
ordinance first if you don't have the

2255
01:36:08,920 --> 01:36:11,199
agreed on price I would tell you not to

2256
01:36:11,199 --> 01:36:13,360
do the ordinance first because that's

2257
01:36:13,360 --> 01:36:18,590
our point of Leverage to actually sell

2258
01:36:18,600 --> 01:36:22,080
it yes so that means we don't I know

2259
01:36:22,080 --> 01:36:24,080
that so we won't be discussing those

2260
01:36:24,080 --> 01:36:26,000
properties when we go into executive

2261
01:36:26,000 --> 01:36:29,320
session should do discuss it whether or

2262
01:36:29,320 --> 01:36:33,159
not actually forward Monday night so got

2263
01:36:33,159 --> 01:36:36,550
coun

2264
01:36:36,560 --> 01:36:39,159
okay so you suggesting we don't do the

2265
01:36:39,159 --> 01:36:41,679
abandonment first is that what you

2266
01:36:41,679 --> 01:36:43,960
suggest might still do it tonight but I

2267
01:36:43,960 --> 01:36:46,239
would wait till you go to Executive

2268
01:36:46,239 --> 01:36:49,800
session well agree well I have to tell

2269
01:36:49,800 --> 01:36:51,679
you that I'm still you know in terms of

2270
01:36:51,679 --> 01:36:52,840
doing the abandonment I just would

2271
01:36:52,840 --> 01:36:54,760
really like to see more documentation I

2272
01:36:54,760 --> 01:36:55,880
understand that you don't have control

2273
01:36:55,880 --> 01:36:58,080
over it and so I'm not that's this is

2274
01:36:58,080 --> 01:37:00,280
not about blaming you but simply making

2275
01:37:00,280 --> 01:37:01,360
sure that the council has the

2276
01:37:01,360 --> 01:37:03,520
information before us so you know we've

2277
01:37:03,520 --> 01:37:06,560
talked about it a lot um and I just

2278
01:37:06,560 --> 01:37:08,080
don't want us to come have to come back

2279
01:37:08,080 --> 01:37:09,800
because we made a misstep because we

2280
01:37:09,800 --> 01:37:11,520
didn't have the information so that's

2281
01:37:11,520 --> 01:37:12,840
why I always just like try to make sure

2282
01:37:12,840 --> 01:37:14,880
it's all here before we make these

2283
01:37:14,880 --> 01:37:17,660
decisions as a

2284
01:37:17,670 --> 01:37:19,280
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2285
01:37:19,280 --> 01:37:21,239
council you'll have it assum as it's

2286
01:37:21,239 --> 01:37:23,000
ready all right so we may not do the

2287
01:37:23,000 --> 01:37:25,159
abandonment until so we may have to have

2288
01:37:25,159 --> 01:37:27,159
a meeting before that and if if we don't

2289
01:37:27,159 --> 01:37:29,719
have it tonight then we can just meet

2290
01:37:29,719 --> 01:37:31,679
before that and then or do it by

2291
01:37:31,679 --> 01:37:34,600
unanimous consent on Monday if we don't

2292
01:37:34,600 --> 01:37:36,000
have the information tonight in order to

2293
01:37:36,000 --> 01:37:40,550
do it you can do it on

2294
01:37:40,560 --> 01:37:45,149
Monday

2295
01:37:45,159 --> 01:37:48,360
okay then the next the rest of the

2296
01:37:48,360 --> 01:37:52,159
items uh items six seven and8 are all

2297
01:37:52,159 --> 01:37:54,560
property sales and for that we would

2298
01:37:54,560 --> 01:37:58,119
need to go into executive session so mov

2299
01:37:58,119 --> 01:38:00,960
second all in favor I for the executive

2300
01:38:00,960 --> 01:38:02,159
session members of the public will have

2301
01:38:02,159 --> 01:38:07,380
to leave

2302
01:38:07,390 --> 01:38:11,499
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