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[4:27] ERS connected city council committee
[4:29] meeting for Monday June 3rd
[4:31] 2024 um the first item on the agenda is
[4:34] listed as a quarterly financial report
[4:36] for 2024 uh but both Mr Ferrari and Mr
[4:40] Guk are out um and so that will not
[4:43] happen but I would like to ask the mayor
[4:45] if there's some way we can get this on
[4:46] the agenda this is my third request D
[4:49] was going to be here tonight uh
[4:51] diagnosed with Co and is showing s so um
[4:56] well like I said this is the third
[4:57] request if it if it if it's necessary we
[5:00] ask like an outside party to look at our
[5:02] budget and then do the presentation um I
[5:04] don't want us I don't think any of us
[5:06] want to go through what we went through
[5:07] the last budget season so I'm just
[5:09] trying to keep get get us up to speed so
[5:11] we can go through the process and ask
[5:12] any questions and we provide monthly
[5:15] reports the information's there if you
[5:17] have a specific question good chance I
[5:20] could answer it or go back and have
[5:22] staff put it together uh I don't have
[5:24] specific questions today but my request
[5:26] was for them to just go through ask for
[5:28] our Revenue versus what we spent just so
[5:30] we can hear it in that format okay but
[5:33] we're giving you the reports on that so
[5:36] don't know produ that have a specific
[5:40] question to hear the revenue and
[5:42] expenses so I know that you we did in
[5:44] writing but I wanted a verbal um report
[5:46] for that that's what we were asking for
[5:47] S spreadsheet just read to you no well
[5:50] because we may have discussions but I'd
[5:52] like I'd like us find that person to be
[5:54] here I anticipate somebody will be here
[5:57] next Monday night I apologize D was
[6:00] supposed to be here his wife was
[6:02] diagnosed with Co and he became uh
[6:05] symptomatic and is off but in two weeks
[6:08] though right for the next committee
[6:09] meeting yes okay thank
[6:17] you finance Finance thank you I would
[6:20] like to call the finance committee to
[6:21] order and first item is a supplemental
[6:23] Bond ordinance for Rice River Road
[6:26] treatment
[6:27] plan must
[6:35] good evening good evening good
[6:38] even actually tonight I have um Mike
[6:40] Mill Mike m is our consultant from cha
[6:42] who's been putting the project together
[6:44] for the rice World treatment facility um
[6:48] he's very versed in the additional cost
[6:50] that are associated with the project
[6:52] first phase um and in the second phase
[6:55] um because we are trying to make a
[6:57] redundant project so um I'm going to let
[6:59] m speak if you have any questions
[7:02] um it's Mike
[7:05] Miller thank you very much
[7:10] mik questions
[7:16] already we all
[7:18] set
[7:20] than yeah the um phase one work has been
[7:23] updated as we move through the design
[7:26] essentially there's a number of um
[7:27] components which are resulting and the
[7:29] increased cost uh first of all uh the
[7:32] floration improvements were originally
[7:34] scheduled to be part of the phase two
[7:36] work M um we did receive almost a
[7:39] million dollars in grant money on that
[7:42] and because the state has been taking so
[7:45] long to close on the financing that
[7:47] project is actually started and it's
[7:49] almost completed so we're rolling it
[7:51] into the Phase One financing because
[7:53] that's going to close within months if
[7:55] we wait it to the phase two financing
[7:57] we'll probably be waiting another 6 to 9
[7:59] months so this will allow the city to
[8:01] put in for those uh reimbursements and
[8:04] get that money back in Pocket because to
[8:07] date we've been paying those project
[8:08] costs out of out of our accounts keeping
[8:11] the contractor hold okay so that that
[8:14] works lit up uh the second big component
[8:17] of it really deals with resiliency and
[8:19] redundancy of the water
[8:21] system um the state is really pushing
[8:24] for people to look at the resiliency of
[8:26] these facilities and really evaluate
[8:29] what happen happens with climate change
[8:31] and particularly with when you're within
[8:33] a flood zone which we are so we went
[8:37] back and we did an assessment with the
[8:39] city and what we found was if we lost
[8:42] one building one the main building it
[8:45] was going to take our water supply out
[8:48] and if we lost that building whether it
[8:49] be because of a flood or because of a
[8:52] fire or some other incident uh we
[8:55] probably had 24 to 48 hours worth of
[8:58] water before we dried up mhm so as part
[9:01] of the project what we've done is we've
[9:03] created this resiliency Zone that Co
[9:06] that that coincides with the new pumps
[9:08] that we've been installing so that if
[9:11] anything happens to that building the
[9:13] city will be able to operate this
[9:15] resiliency Zone independently and
[9:17] maintain water supply to the city okay
[9:20] so that work entails bringing in a new
[9:22] power service which is very
[9:25] expensive um I think we all know with
[9:28] that over the years
[9:30] so we got a new power feed coming into
[9:32] the facility to feed the resiliency Zone
[9:34] as well as the um Transformers and all
[9:37] the electrical equipment to support that
[9:40] and then we are making some additional
[9:42] improvements that were not originally
[9:44] planned to one of the pump stations to
[9:47] create this resiliency zone so that we
[9:49] could maintain our
[9:51] demand and then uh lastly in the spirit
[9:55] of full disclosure there is a lot of
[9:56] work flooding the market and so there
[9:58] are some Market conditions as well that are driving the cost up a little
[10:02] bit but to date we have secured almost
[10:05] $4 million worth of grant funding for
[10:08] the phase one work so that brings the
[10:11] that will bring that Finance amount down
[10:13] by that
[10:16] amount we can apply for more grant money
[10:19] now this year yeah that we are going to
[10:21] be applying for more grant money for
[10:23] phase two so the next phase of the
[10:26] project that's why you'll see within the
[10:27] packets there's a phase one and then a
[10:30] phase two phase one we're updating
[10:32] because we are getting set to go to
[10:34] financing and we want to make sure that
[10:36] there's nothing preventing us from
[10:38] closing that Financial agreement with
[10:40] EFC so that we can start uh getting
[10:43] reimbursed for the cost in for to dat
[10:45] okay okay any questions on the phase one
[10:48] goe please so I see um it's great that
[10:51] you got the $4 million congratulations
[10:54] and I appreciate that you're applying
[10:55] for more grants um it seems like so the
[10:58] 4 million is already
[11:00] the 137401 173 already reflects it does
[11:04] not oh so now we're down to 9 million
[11:07] something correct okay correct which is
[11:09] roughly a couple million dollars more
[11:10] than what we had originally planned to
[11:12] bond or that was in the original bond
[11:15] amount okay thank you
[11:18] yeah um question for the mayor would
[11:21] this um qualify under the co
[11:24] infrastructure Grant um to the
[11:27] state Co we're getting under the weia
[11:31] money on this so we are getting WEA
[11:33] money and that's under the co the state
[11:35] Co
[11:36] um infrastructure grounds is that the
[11:39] bipartisan money B money are you
[11:41] referring to the bill money the
[11:43] bipartisan infrastructure law money the we program there's a number of
[11:48] federal
[11:49] programs that essentially through the um the Federal Acts and that
[11:56] money tends to roll back through the
[11:58] states through these Define programs
[12:00] within the state so within New York
[12:02] state that's wqp grants for clean water
[12:06] it's WEA grants for water waste water
[12:09] and then there's separate bill grants
[12:11] that come in as well as 0% interest
[12:14] financing and things like that yeah this is funding that was passed by
[12:18] Congress for uh Co and it's primarily um
[12:22] driven toward infrastructure to the
[12:24] state and the city or the town or
[12:26] Village would apply to the state for
[12:28] funding
[12:30] that's part of the bipartisan
[12:32] infrastructure yeah maybe
[12:34] has I think it's all part of the buildy
[12:37] okay any other questions you goe please
[12:40] so I know you're saying that due to kind
[12:41] of market conditions prices are are
[12:44] starting to increase is there any way of
[12:46] like how we can manage
[12:48] um how we are is there any things that we can manage to I guess how we're
[12:55] going about this to kind of offset some
[12:57] of that like is it like a a faster to
[12:59] like spending the money or something
[13:01] like that um that would help mitigate
[13:03] some of that or unfortunately the best
[13:06] advice I can give us is to push as many
[13:08] contracts out as soon as we can to try
[13:11] and time them at the right times in the
[13:13] year which is you know late fall early
[13:15] winter so the contractors hopefully are
[13:18] still trying to fill their tills if you
[13:20] let these things slide until the spring
[13:22] uh the contractors already have you know
[13:25] a lot of work and they either want to
[13:26] push it out even further or quite
[13:29] frankly they're just not aggressive with
[13:30] their bidding they're like I don't need
[13:32] the work so I'll give you a price and uh
[13:35] you know if you want me to do it bad
[13:37] enough you'll pay me that money so the
[13:39] best advice is to just keep moving
[13:41] forward and to keep accelerating and get
[13:43] the work out as quickly as we can some
[13:46] components we do purchase separately
[13:47] though we do for the pump station we
[13:51] roughly $900,000 uh through sourcewell
[13:54] we purchase through the city to the
[13:55] generators that way we avoid the markup
[13:57] from the contractors so certain items um
[14:00] on equipment we can do that um as long
[14:03] as it's you know through Source well um
[14:05] it's a state contract and we did that
[14:07] the pump station the sa SL and thank you
[14:10] again for being aggressive and pursuing
[14:12] some of that grant funding I know that
[14:13] that's not easy work either just to even
[14:15] kind of get in the running for that so
[14:16] appreciate it oh it's fun to get grant
[14:18] money it's great to get
[14:20] it goodness thank you should I remind
[14:22] you we got $26 million in grant money
[14:24] for the for the pump station was last
[14:27] year any
[14:31] seeing none we have a motion on item
[14:33] number
[14:37] one second second all in favor I I item
[14:42] number two supplemental Bond ordinance
[14:43] for
[14:44] r Rice Road treatment plan phase
[14:48] two all right so this is this is the
[14:51] next phase of the project same same
[14:53] project out at the water treatment plant
[14:55] uh this work involves an emergency
[14:57] interconnection with the town of reram roughly a million
[15:02] dollars to make that connection it
[15:04] improves and up it updates and creates
[15:07] the resiliency uh zone for the chlorine
[15:10] system we include the emergency
[15:13] generator within this work so that's one
[15:15] of those things where we can try and
[15:16] work through the state contract to
[15:18] procure that directly and the state
[15:20] markup on that because that's probably a
[15:23] million dollar generator again uh we've
[15:25] got miscellaneous building improvements
[15:28] that will bring these buildings you know
[15:30] up to date and prevent it prevent reg
[15:32] groupage we're replacing a lot of roofs
[15:34] on a lot of the buildings and then some
[15:37] security and ska improvements as well
[15:38] out of the time so what we're really
[15:41] trying to do with phase one and phase
[15:42] two quite frankly is to get the money
[15:45] invested in the
[15:47] facilities and uh be in a good position
[15:49] moving forward I think one of the things
[15:52] that that we try to strive is to take
[15:55] advantage of the grant money while it's
[15:56] on the table because unfortunately none
[15:59] of us know how long these programs are
[16:01] really going to last so we are
[16:02] aggressively pushing forward with a lot
[16:04] of this work trying to secure as much
[16:06] grant money as we
[16:08] can go ahead please and Mr chairman I'm
[16:11] not quite sure what you're referring to
[16:13] if you can send me to make sure that
[16:16] we're following up on it I will do I
[16:18] will send you an email a
[16:20] copy 12 calls there 10 of them were put
[16:24] in in the 40s um the newest two were in
[16:27] the mid 60s so um and out of the 12
[16:31] we're down to eight so with the three
[16:33] new wells that have been tapped already
[16:35] you know you know bring us to 11 um so
[16:40] this is um you know they they've gotten
[16:43] to their end of their life they're
[16:44] running towards the end of their life
[16:45] cycle so question oh go ahead please y
[16:49] could you tell me the timeline on this
[16:51] work uh once
[16:53] we we're hoping to have the uh last
[16:56] contract for phase one out towards the
[16:58] end of the year so again we want to hit
[17:00] that bidding cycle and then the phase
[17:04] two work we're trying to get financing
[17:06] set for next year so the way this works
[17:10] is generally they'll let us know in
[17:12] December of this year if the financing
[17:14] is in place and then we'll probably
[17:15] close on that towards the mid part of
[17:18] next year so next year will probably be
[17:20] a design year in terms of moving that
[17:22] forward and we'll be trying to hit that
[17:24] bidding Market towards the end of next
[17:26] year
[17:27] again thank you very much any other
[17:29] question on item number
[17:31] two seeing none may have a motion to
[17:34] move item number two second all in favor
[17:38] I thank you any other business for
[17:40] finance I have a motion to Mo second all in favor thank thank you PA
[17:46] you problem thank you okay I'd like to
[17:48] call the order government operations we
[17:50] have one item on the agenda um this is
[17:53] the discussion regarding the conflict in
[17:54] Gaza um as you know we've been receiving
[17:57] multiple emails and people have have
[17:58] been coming down um to the council
[18:01] meetings um sharing their concerns and
[18:04] suggesting actions that the city council
[18:06] could take um with that I'm going to uh
[18:09] pass over to kind of President pfield so
[18:11] you can kind of FR that for us a little
[18:13] bit thank you Mr Carley so as as he said
[18:16] that we know that people have been
[18:17] coming to the council meetings and um uh
[18:21] asking us to make a to to uh take a
[18:24] position there have been meetings that
[18:26] have taken place outside of um people
[18:28] coming to the Council meetings there was
[18:29] a considered effort um by council member
[18:32] Williams and council member Farley to
[18:34] bring the two groups together which is
[18:36] what something I've been suggesting from
[18:38] beginning but anyway they were able to
[18:40] do it however the final outcome was not
[18:43] what we had hoped where the groups would
[18:45] then to come together and come up with a
[18:46] document that they could agree up on
[18:48] that just did not um could not take
[18:50] place um so at this point in time we've
[18:54] been we've received um documents from uh
[18:58] both groups also an additional document
[19:00] that was uh forwarded to us by council
[19:02] member Patrick for us to take into
[19:04] consideration and for this Council to at
[19:07] this time have this discussion about
[19:08] where we are with this I just to want to
[19:11] reiterate that this discussion is
[19:13] amongst council members and we're at
[19:15] tonight is not for for public comment or
[19:17] input so
[19:19] um you know we um not saying we're
[19:22] anybody you know needs to take a
[19:24] position tonight but I think that we
[19:26] definitely need to have the discussion
[19:27] because there's been multiple
[19:29] conversations one-on ones and various
[19:31] ones and um so but as a council I think
[19:34] we need to come to the place where we
[19:36] have a discussion and then um decide how
[19:39] to move forward Miss Patrick yes um so I
[19:43] would like to first of all i' would like
[19:44] to um definitely say for the record that
[19:47] I put in my resolution a couple of weeks
[19:49] ago but it was not added to the
[19:51] legislative agenda because there was um
[19:54] the idea that another resolution was
[19:56] going to come forward by two of my
[19:58] colleagues that didn't happen um so now
[20:01] I put my resolution back in and tonight
[20:03] we were handed uh the additional
[20:06] information um as we were coming into
[20:08] the meeting so I don't think we've had a
[20:10] chance to review uh these other
[20:12] resolutions however I do want to state
[20:15] that I think that we should review my
[20:17] resolution which is basically indicating
[20:20] that I I believe that City C it's not
[20:23] appropriate for city council to get
[20:24] involved in an international matter
[20:26] whether it's this one or any other
[20:28] conflict
[20:29] uh around the world I think if we have
[20:31] that discussion and we can agree upon my
[20:33] resolution then the other two
[20:34] resolutions we won't need to talk about
[20:37] um because basically we will pass a
[20:38] resolution saying that we don't want to
[20:40] be uh necessarily considering uh the
[20:44] other
[20:46] resolutions pres yes um and i' just like
[20:49] to add some clarity about the resolution
[20:50] I specifically ask you if we could put
[20:52] it off for a couple weeks I didn't just
[20:54] not put it on the agenda so I just want
[20:55] to be clear that I asked you if we could
[20:57] put it off any year in agreement with
[20:59] that okay it's not my memory
[21:02] necessarily it it is what happened in
[21:04] the future I'll send an email but I
[21:06] asked if You' wait because there were
[21:07] discussions Our Hope was that it did not
[21:09] get to this uh to a place where there
[21:11] was going to be you know contention in
[21:13] council member versus council member so
[21:15] I asked if we could do that and
[21:16] hopefully the two groups were which
[21:19] were having differences of opinions
[21:21] could come up with something which is
[21:23] why the meetings were convened and that
[21:25] was the hope and that was you know the
[21:27] guiding force behind that
[21:29] so just want to lend that Clarity to
[21:32] that so I guess for me um and I we'll
[21:36] speak for myself when I say this I think
[21:38] that I can appreciate honestly like the
[21:42] opinion that you know it might not be I I don't know that if you know there
[21:47] were a if there were a resolution to be
[21:49] passed that it would necessarily change
[21:50] the material conditions of the people
[21:51] who are am miss this conflict I think
[21:53] that I I I don't um that's not lost on
[21:56] me I think um my intention was to talk
[22:00] with people who have varying
[22:01] perspectives to see like where are the
[22:03] points of alignment what I will say that
[22:06] um the conversations that I was privy to
[22:09] um there was some there was a lot of
[22:11] points of alignment and I think that
[22:14] anytime we talk about something that has
[22:16] the potential to become so contentious
[22:18] is that we do Focus there so my
[22:20] intention was to kind of let's start
[22:22] there what we um can agree on and um and
[22:26] then we can work on like or what's the
[22:29] best process in order to uh bring these
[22:31] things about and also I believe in being
[22:34] responsive to people who have you know
[22:37] been in contact with us um through uh
[22:41] emails phone calls and coming down I
[22:43] just think that it's you know I feel
[22:45] obligated to um make sure that people
[22:47] are listening to and that whatever
[22:49] decision we make we make an informed
[22:51] decision and we can only do that truly
[22:53] by kind of listening um to the VAR
[22:55] varying perspectives
[23:00] so are we taking these resolutions one
[23:02] by one how are we doing this well I
[23:03] think that uh yeah I think that we need
[23:06] to uh you know I didn't think that we
[23:08] were going to get into a place tonight
[23:10] where um we were going to
[23:14] uh well discussion M Mr W so I can
[23:20] understand that and think to M Patrick's
[23:21] Point we start with the resolution that
[23:23] she presented forward and I kind of
[23:25] start based on my understanding of how
[23:27] this entire conversation was presented
[23:29] to the city council uh I was definitely
[23:31] someone more in favor of trying to allow
[23:34] this discussion to take place outside of
[23:36] the council uh allowing some of our
[23:38] faith-based communities to have this
[23:41] initial discussion and then present us
[23:42] with an option we move forward based on
[23:44] a number of issues just outside of the
[23:46] overall complexity of this issue and
[23:48] when that did not continue or when that
[23:50] did not uh exist uh I I was aware of the
[23:54] email that you forwarded to the council
[23:55] um however I want to be clear with one very intentional item uh was this a
[24:00] resolution that you wrote personally or it's not as I've indicated every time
[24:05] I've sent it out which is more than one
[24:08] time that it was adapted from a similar
[24:11] statement that was done by the Allington
[24:12] County Board
[24:14] um so I just I I really literally just
[24:17] adapted it to make it for connecting
[24:20] right and then by adapted it changed the
[24:21] language differentiating the Arlington
[24:24] County Board to SC yes any other pretty
[24:27] much there might have been some other
[24:28] minor grammatical changes that I didn't
[24:30] think were you know like commas and
[24:32] stuff uh from the original but I would
[24:35] say minor in that there was the
[24:36] replacement of their state elected
[24:39] officials but outside of that I didn't
[24:40] see any other adjustments um but
[24:44] reason my uh personal perception of
[24:48] passing this at this point in stage is
[24:49] that we've already fielded a number of
[24:51] Council meetings where we've heard from
[24:53] individuals both locally from our
[24:54] community and outside from both sides
[24:57] indicating uh the request for just a
[25:00] response from our Council and I sign
[25:03] wholeheartedly think that this outcome
[25:06] to pass this type of resolution I think
[25:09] has been
[25:10] missed what I'm sorry I didn't hear has
[25:12] been missed I think the timeline for us
[25:13] to consider and P this after having
[25:16] heard Council meetings um I think for to
[25:20] be exact I think to then say to those
[25:23] individuals again from both sides that
[25:25] we are going to elect to not respond I I
[25:28] think reflects a certain city council
[25:30] that I I did not become a member
[25:35] of I don't think it's us not responding
[25:38] I think it's us responding by saying
[25:39] that we're not going to get involved in
[25:41] an international matter and that we're
[25:43] going to see that as we move forward as
[25:45] well in case other uh items like this
[25:48] come forward to the city council so that
[25:50] is our response that is a
[25:53] response Mr Williams but I would say
[25:56] that response is very biased towards one
[25:58] side and that's where the hesitation is
[26:00] how is this biased towards one side it's
[26:02] not biased towards one side the the the
[26:05] perception of of not responding is
[26:08] biased towards individuals that would
[26:10] appreciate not seeing a
[26:12] response that doesn't seem to make sense
[26:14] to me but I'd like to hear from my
[26:16] colleagues I'm in total agreement with
[26:19] Miss Patrick um you know we we have
[26:21] enough to worry about in our city um
[26:24] being elected and and we're responsible
[26:26] to our constituents the residents of our
[26:29] city everyone that we serve um and I
[26:32] think we've just wasted a little bit too
[26:33] much time on this my heart pours out for
[26:36] both sides that I hear that come on my
[26:38] on a personal level it's not our
[26:43] responsibility uh to pass a
[26:47] resolution um for either side or jointly
[26:52] together um I would hope that that they
[26:54] could work on a resolution or or or
[26:56] solving something themselves
[26:58] but at this point um and they're more
[27:01] than welcome to come to every council
[27:03] meeting and and and I'll listen to them
[27:05] and I'll understand what they're saying
[27:08] um but I don't think it's our
[27:09] responsibility right now to um to even
[27:14] consider a resolution I would support
[27:16] Miss
[27:17] Patrick's
[27:20] letter so um you know the I'm glad we're
[27:24] having this conversation and um The
[27:26] Passion of people that have come and
[27:28] talk to us and presented to us um you
[27:31] know what's happening in the Middle East
[27:33] is De deeply concerning but I I wouldn't
[27:36] I would not support a ceasefire
[27:38] resolution I think as what's said is our
[27:41] focus should be on the issues that are
[27:45] directly um impacting our our citizens
[27:49] whether infrastructure education um I
[27:51] think a resolution would have minimal
[27:53] effect if any um that should be left to
[27:56] the federal represent
[27:59] I I think what was said here that the
[28:01] groups couldn't come to an agreement
[28:03] kind of tells us it's a it's a very
[28:05] diverse issue and we have a very diverse
[28:07] population of residents and taking a
[28:10] Firm Stance I think would create
[28:12] unnecessary further division um so I I I
[28:16] think we could Foster in dialogue as
[28:18] it's been happening continue doing that
[28:20] among the parties and and and I'm
[28:23] encouraging that approach but I just I I
[28:25] can't get behind a passing ceasefire
[28:28] resolution I think it's it would do more
[28:31] um harm than good I think it would be
[28:33] more divisive um maybe maybe for us but
[28:36] maybe for the residents I've spoken to
[28:38] many residents and and you know their question was why are you even
[28:42] entertaining this and um but I think we
[28:45] need to from the folks that we've heard
[28:47] too I think that's real important that
[28:48] we hear from them um and and for me I
[28:51] think it it's responsible to say you
[28:53] know we won't support a ceasefire for
[28:55] these
[28:56] reasons um and and uh but because that's
[28:59] a little bit outside of our purview and
[29:01] that's my thoughts and feelings on
[29:04] this so I guess what I would say um
[29:06] listen to what my fellow council members
[29:08] is saying and again I do appreciate your
[29:10] input on this and I can understand why
[29:13] um I think I'm in agreement that I think
[29:16] the uh what the how impactful a
[29:19] resolution uh would be um to the uh the
[29:23] conflict guys I don't know that it will
[29:25] have much impact at all um my L was okay
[29:30] let's talk to the let's talk and be
[29:32] responsive to the needs of the people
[29:34] who have come before us who have said a
[29:38] resolution means this for me and my
[29:40] community or not having a resolution
[29:44] means this for me in my in my respective
[29:47] Community um so I think that really what
[29:50] you know I guess what I would again like
[29:52] to highlight is that we had Varan
[29:55] perspectives at the table um and it's
[29:57] not
[29:58] wasn't necessarily this or that
[30:00] conversation there was a lot of
[30:01] alignment and the alignment that we
[30:03] heard was around like you know peace
[30:06] everyone wants peace and everyone um
[30:08] wants people on either side of the
[30:12] conflict to stop suffering losses to
[30:14] civilians and children and families and
[30:16] women and and and and and marginalized
[30:19] vulnerable uh pors of the community that
[30:21] was something that was a shared uh
[30:24] expressed value at in the conversation
[30:26] that I winess for so anytime that we
[30:28] have something we can align and say
[30:30] okay everyone wants seems to want peace
[30:34] then the conversation is how do we
[30:37] support that being an outcome and that's
[30:39] where the resolution no resolution um
[30:42] conversation um started to take place so
[30:44] again um I think we take positions on in
[30:48] the council uh
[30:50] that impact you know that that really
[30:54] represent the the best interest of the
[30:56] people that live in our city and
[30:59] I think that we that we're obligated I
[31:01] feel an obligation to consider um those
[31:04] things and that's why so I I that's kind
[31:05] of a long-winded way of saying that's
[31:07] our response to anyone would say why are
[31:09] you even considering this because as a
[31:11] leader in the community people are
[31:13] coming to us to saying that this is
[31:14] something that is impacting them and
[31:16] their safety within our community so I
[31:18] think that again we're obligated to do
[31:20] so Mr Williams and with the same context
[31:22] of being a responsive government I can
[31:25] understand and definitely agree with
[31:27] during our ini IAL phone calls with um
[31:30] members from the prop Palestinian
[31:31] Community are asking for a ceasefire I
[31:33] was very open and saying that I was not
[31:35] confident that a resolution would
[31:37] achieve some of their objectives however
[31:39] due to the continuous nature of their
[31:40] convers of their uh attendance at our
[31:43] Council meetings uh wanting to again be
[31:45] representative as a u an advocate from
[31:48] this community trying to identify in
[31:51] part to what Mr farther was highlighting
[31:52] can we get to that common ground and
[31:54] what quickly became apparent was that that
[31:58] is unable to to be achieved uh so and
[32:01] then trying to be responsive to to the
[32:03] needs or requests of either communities
[32:06] again I I I lay with to say that passing
[32:09] something would cause F attention I
[32:11] would argue that attention is already
[32:12] there and I think our continued lack of
[32:14] having this discussion no fault to
[32:16] anyone at the table uh that added in or
[32:20] Amplified people's wanting to know where
[32:22] each of our council member stood at so
[32:23] if there is an obligation I would ask to
[32:25] hear where everyone stands not regarding
[32:29] your stance around any one resolution or
[32:31] option just where you stand in general
[32:33] as we have an onlen audience who is not
[32:35] just in this room but also tuning in
[32:38] wanting to know who or how their
[32:40] individuals or individuals in these
[32:41] positions are going to Advocate to
[32:43] address their needs Mr thank you uh I
[32:48] mean we have to be very careful we are
[32:50] stepping into unart our territory here
[32:53] getting involved in something that we as
[32:55] a cons soci be very careful what we
[32:57] doing
[32:58] over the years this Council as long as
[33:01] I've been here we have not bring for
[33:04] resolution when there's conflict in
[33:06] Syria when there conflict in Libya when
[33:09] there conflict in Sudan when there
[33:11] conflict in um in Russia where hundreds
[33:14] of thousands of people are being
[33:15] slaughtered Massacre whatever you want
[33:18] to call it on a daily basis yes what is
[33:20] happening in Gaza should not be
[33:22] happening we need peace there I'm
[33:25] totally for peace but we as a council I
[33:28] think we should consider what we're
[33:29] getting into this is international
[33:32] matter it should be should encourage the
[33:34] organizer to call the White House call
[33:36] the Senators call our Congress
[33:39] members to Lobby them to you know pass
[33:42] something from that level fedal level us
[33:45] on the ground here our resolution what
[33:47] are we going to do with our resolution
[33:48] if you pass one this evening and vote on
[33:50] it unanimously it doesn't serve any
[33:53] purpose are we dividing our community we
[33:56] should bring them to the table what is
[33:58] happening bring them to the table let's
[33:59] get to the table to the Muslim and the
[34:01] Jewish community and let's work on
[34:03] issues that they have outstanding that's
[34:05] what we need to for work on
[34:08] International matter that is something
[34:10] on a federal level absolutely wrong
[34:12] what's happening there if it stopped
[34:14] today it should stop today right now
[34:17] what's happening there but we should not
[34:20] be going doing this because we have not
[34:22] done it in the
[34:23] past why why
[34:25] not and I'm not saying I'm against I am
[34:29] what I'm you know I'm against what's
[34:32] happening in Castle absolutely against
[34:35] it but why are we as a
[34:38] council it doesn't serve any purpose
[34:40] getting a resolution what are we going
[34:41] to do get on a flight to to Tel Aviv and
[34:44] hand it to prime minister Netanyahu
[34:46] until I'm disconnected d c comes to pass
[34:48] a resolution seize fire he's not doing
[34:51] it we have better thing to focus on and
[34:55] I I just want to address some of the
[34:56] things that that the text have been
[34:59] going that I've been getting over the
[35:00] last couple several weeks and yesterday
[35:04] and
[35:05] today that's okay good text bad text
[35:08] hate text calling me all sort of
[35:11] names I am I'm okay with that and you
[35:14] can continue and I just want to address
[35:16] one of the texts that came and miss
[35:18] pfield and I had a conversation today
[35:19] and you brought it up about two event
[35:22] that
[35:22] happen uh with related to in um event in
[35:26] Guyana that has to do with
[35:28] election um on the step of City Hall a
[35:31] couple years ago um that was organized
[35:34] by leaders within the gese community not
[35:37] the city council not
[35:39] Johan on one Sunday evening and then on
[35:43] the Monday evening there was another
[35:44] rally and city council member were
[35:46] invited along with the Mayor John Mudan
[35:49] and city council did not plan that event
[35:52] last year there was another event in
[35:53] Central Park when there was a fire
[35:56] inyana that event was organized by our
[35:58] community leaders we were invited many
[36:02] others were invited so I want to address
[36:04] those that the text I received and say
[36:06] that the city council and myself sponsor
[36:09] those event or coordinate that event
[36:11] never happened on that
[36:17] level so I just want to um like bring it
[36:20] back to this particular one that we're
[36:21] looking at right now and let me just say
[36:24] that um I would not support moving this
[36:26] forward um but I did was I took the
[36:28] opportunity to look into the county
[36:31] where this was packed where this came
[36:32] from and just want to clarify this was
[36:34] never a resolution that was passed by
[36:36] the county um it was by it's no I went
[36:40] to no I know it's I know it's not a
[36:42] resolution all right there so isn't
[36:44] either right so what what happened it
[36:47] was not even passed by them it wasn't
[36:48] even discussed there was there wasn't
[36:50] even a letter sent um it it there was
[36:52] there's a woman who I don't even know
[36:54] what her ask was because all we saw was
[36:56] the respon and this response unsigned so
[36:59] I don't know even who said who made
[37:01] response this is a response to a a
[37:04] letter or a or a request um and so this
[37:08] person whoever wrote the letter is
[37:09] speaking on behalf of the county um the
[37:12] County board but there was never a an
[37:15] official thing I went to their official
[37:17] site that they made um an official
[37:19] statement on this so it was a response
[37:21] to a letter and that was a response from
[37:23] whoever the author was I don't know um I
[37:26] further looked into what with this
[37:27] County you know they talk about what
[37:29] their you know their different
[37:31] perspectives and that's a complex topic
[37:33] and that they're a very diverse
[37:34] community and I looked into it it's
[37:37] first of all it's a county um group and
[37:40] a County Board and like two over 240,000
[37:42] people are on that it's a five member
[37:45] board 240,000 people are in the county
[37:48] that they're over and there's a five
[37:50] member board and that board has zero
[37:52] diversity zero diversity except unless
[37:54] we're counting men and women and that's
[37:56] it so there's a specific lens I say that comes in for me at least part of it
[38:01] our our board that's very very different
[38:04] um this place also has a sister city
[38:06] they say in their statement that they um
[38:08] have they don't usually jump into
[38:11] um into International things they do
[38:14] have a sister city um program and they
[38:17] issued a statement about what went on in
[38:19] Ukraine so some of what they're saying
[38:23] is really not
[38:25] 100% um truthful because they have taken
[38:29] a position on other things so I'm I'm
[38:31] not willing to because as you said you
[38:33] only made minor changes to what they
[38:35] said I'm not willing to um to sign on to
[38:38] a statement from a from an organization
[38:40] who looks very different than we look in
[38:43] terms of um our governance and and all
[38:46] of that in addition they have made what
[38:48] they're saying they don't do they they
[38:49] have done in the past so um you know I
[38:53] wouldn't wouldn't sign on to that um and
[38:57] I think if if we were to do anything it
[38:59] would really need to come from the the
[39:01] city council members here not um adapted
[39:04] from a board again who has um has a
[39:07] different kind of governing body they're
[39:09] a County board with a County Manager
[39:11] they have a lot more people they have
[39:13] zero um they have no ethnic diversity on
[39:15] their board and um and they've al
[39:18] already you know made a a resolution
[39:21] against um what happened in um Russia
[39:24] versus uh uh in the attack on the
[39:26] Ukraine even you know they said they don't wouldn't you know doing this
[39:29] thing so I'm not I would not support um
[39:32] moving forward
[39:34] Mr that's fine um I understand what
[39:36] you're saying and I appreciate the
[39:37] research that you did um we could come
[39:40] up with our own statement my bottom line
[39:42] is that what I'm trying to suggest is
[39:45] that the city council will not get
[39:46] involved in an international matter so I
[39:49] don't care we don't have to use this
[39:50] statement we could just say that in
[39:53] response to the people that have come
[39:54] forward to us on both sides that we are
[39:57] choosing to not get involved in an
[39:59] international matter it could be as
[40:00] simple as that two sentences contact
[40:02] your federal Representatives we do not
[40:04] have to pass this statement and I wasn't
[40:07] putting it forth as a resolution it
[40:08] actually was a statement it was just
[40:10] sort of a position statement um so
[40:13] that's what I'm suggesting um I do think
[40:16] that um the other resolutions would
[40:20] cause more divisiveness there already
[40:22] has been we definitely have had
[40:24] residents who have come to us and said
[40:26] that they feel unsafe
[40:27] um we have seen Damage Done in our
[40:30] community um to uh a desecration of of a
[40:34] cemetery I mean there's already stuff
[40:36] happening out there there were um
[40:38] incidents at our last city council
[40:40] meeting um that left a couple of us
[40:42] feeling uh physically threatened um
[40:46] divisiveness has happened so I'm
[40:49] definitely suggesting that we say we are
[40:53] not going to get involved in an
[40:54] international
[40:55] matter Mr
[40:58] well I I would argue and I think having
[40:59] this conversation at this agenda already
[41:02] dictates that we are involved even at
[41:04] least to dedicating our time at this
[41:05] council meeting to this discussion uh to
[41:07] answer Mr M Baron's comment about why
[41:10] are we even entertaining the possibility
[41:12] of presenting an action for a response
[41:15] from our Council and I would say within
[41:17] the within the purview of this group
[41:21] requesting a ceasefire has sought out
[41:23] their more appropriate means which is
[41:25] the federal government or the state I
[41:26] would say in the since that those
[41:27] elements have remained unresponsive I do
[41:30] not think it's it's unforeseen for them
[41:32] to use more locally based municipalities
[41:34] to represent their uh uh their stance
[41:37] for for better or worse uh which is one
[41:39] of the reasons why uh seeking out
[41:41] continued conversations seeking out
[41:44] whether we can have more of a
[41:45] collaborative discussion until we had
[41:47] this moment I don't think our community
[41:49] is able to heal so I think to your point
[41:52] Miss Patrick uh uh this is something
[41:54] that we we have to address and and and a
[41:56] and um in a number of different ways I'm allowing this conver or not allowing
[42:01] I'm enjoying the conversation where
[42:03] we're discussing this more but if you
[42:05] when we get to the point we're able to
[42:07] look at the other exhibits I think those
[42:09] more accurately can address
[42:12] um how this Council can uh be responsive
[42:17] to this very unique circumstance can be
[42:19] very clear in saying I did not sign up
[42:22] or ran ran as a conected city councilman
[42:25] to be International diplomat that is not
[42:27] something that I I I wanted or sought
[42:29] out to uh but again in understanding
[42:31] this climate that we are in this climate
[42:33] that our nation is currently in I think
[42:35] it is up to us to understand what is an
[42:38] appropriate response and again I don't
[42:39] think at this juncture saying we're not
[42:41] going to respond is an appropriate
[42:44] response and I I I would just really say
[42:48] that you know though things um might or
[42:52] might have not happened in the past I
[42:54] think that you know we need to be
[42:56] responsive the times are here now and um
[42:59] we can't afford to allow um our our
[43:03] tradition to stifle our Innovation and
[43:05] our responsiveness to our community so
[43:08] when there are people that are part of
[43:10] this community that are coming for us
[43:11] and saying that this is impacting um my
[43:15] family um then I think that again that
[43:18] warrants uh a a conversation possibly
[43:22] multiple conversations and
[43:24] considerations on how do we you know
[43:27] bring people together to say regardless
[43:29] of what your point of view is on the
[43:31] conflict in Gaza if what your interest
[43:35] is is in peace and I and I'm I'm going
[43:37] to make a an assumption which is not a
[43:40] very safe thing to do in any uh
[43:42] political Arena but I would assume that
[43:44] most of the city council members my
[43:46] colleagues are definitely pro peace are
[43:50] definitely Pro uh
[43:53] humanity and if there is language that
[43:59] can represent that we are for
[44:02] peace and we are for the safety of those
[44:05] in our community where we condemn um any
[44:10] acts of
[44:11] Terror um whether those acts of Terror
[44:14] are committed by Hamas if we condemn um
[44:18] uh acts of Terror by Hamas or by
[44:21] specific armed um wings of uh Israeli
[44:25] government and not to be conf ated with
[44:27] the people and people of religion that
[44:29] live within our cities cuz I think that
[44:31] what we can do is quickly start to
[44:34] conflict those issues but I think that
[44:37] if there is a place that where we're all
[44:38] saying that we're for
[44:40] peace in
[44:42] Gaza then I think that that's something
[44:45] that is is or maybe we're not for peace
[44:47] and go I don't know I guess I do want to
[44:49] respond again I feel
[44:54] that we might all have different
[44:56] opinions and and so therefore as a
[44:58] council trying to pass something that
[45:01] would be representative of us as a
[45:03] council I think won't work I mean I'm
[45:05] just being honest and so therefore again
[45:09] I think the response is that it's not
[45:12] appropriate for our local city council
[45:15] to be going outside of our purview we
[45:17] need to focus on the things that you
[45:19] know our Council was elected to focus on
[45:23] um and and this is not something that
[45:25] our Council was elected to focus on this
[45:28] in this particular circumstance or in
[45:30] any other International matter um so so
[45:34] I just you know that I mean I can't I
[45:37] can't repeat it enough times but um well
[45:41] I think so what are what I was saying
[45:43] again just for points of clear is that
[45:44] well number one I think you agree that
[45:47] we all have different opinions on
[45:48] multiple things right like there's
[45:50] usually not something that doesn't
[45:51] require some sort of a conversation or
[45:54] an exchange of ideas to get to get to
[45:57] place of agreement or disagreement right
[46:00] um what I'm saying is that though this
[46:03] is an international issue based on the
[46:06] points that you're bringing up and the
[46:08] things that the phone calls and the
[46:11] things that people have been saying to us this is an international
[46:13] issue but it has implications on the
[46:16] well-being of people that live right
[46:17] here in the city of SKC it really does I
[46:19] mean you
[46:21] can't if if it didn't then it would I
[46:23] agree that we could just say hey it's
[46:26] not you know there's no there's no
[46:27] implications here but people have
[46:28] brought forth and said this is how this
[46:32] conflict or um
[46:35] the the ramifications of what's
[46:37] happening is impacting me my family and
[46:40] my respective community so therefore um
[46:43] I mean I'm going to be quite honest to
[46:45] say this is something I would love not
[46:47] to have to necessarily um uh uh look at
[46:53] or really contemplate but I think that
[46:56] that's what comes with the position of
[46:57] leadership when people are saying that
[46:59] though this is a international issue the
[47:02] issue isn't just International it is
[47:05] there are severe implications of people
[47:06] that live right here in the state disc
[47:07] con acity so that's why I guess my point
[47:10] that I was trying to make was that I
[47:11] think it could exagerate the
[47:13] divisiveness if the city council um was
[47:16] to pass a resolution um for example one
[47:19] of these resolutions um so so I guess my
[47:23] question is because I know we can pass a
[47:24] lot of resolutions so is it the idea of
[47:27] just passing a
[47:29] resolution no matter what it says or is
[47:32] it cuz I would think that if they're is
[47:35] a resolution if there's a letter if
[47:37] there's something to where people are
[47:39] saying if we can agree on we just are leveraging whatever institutional
[47:46] credibility that we have how little it
[47:48] may be we're saying that we would like
[47:50] for for peace for people to to live in
[47:54] peace if we can all agree with that Then
[47:57] I then I would say then that wouldn't be
[47:59] a problem right because it's not the
[48:01] fact that it's uh an action it's what
[48:04] the resolution contains is what we
[48:05] should really be looking into right cuz
[48:08] I'm not just going to say let's pass a
[48:09] resolution that um doesn't condemn um
[48:13] the terrorist Acts or doesn't condemn or Hamas or uh certain arms of the
[48:20] Israeli government I'm going to say if
[48:23] that is too far for us to get into leads
[48:27] if you will um but if there's a point of
[48:29] alignment where we're saying that we
[48:30] just want people to live in peace and if
[48:32] we can get there then what would be the
[48:34] issue that's that's I'm trying to go to
[48:35] the lowest point of alignment now I'll
[48:38] go around and if people feel
[48:41] that that we don't need to address um
[48:44] this at all and we're not in agreeing in
[48:46] piece then that's a different story Mr
[48:48] Mayor sorry my first question have the
[48:51] three resolutions but they're unnumbered
[48:52] or unlabeled so I didn't know if for
[48:55] reference if
[48:58] they just should be marked in some way
[49:01] and Mr Carley might have you know just
[49:04] do a oneline resolution we're all in
[49:06] favor of world peace and encourage
[49:08] everyone to work toward that goal abely
[49:12] but
[49:14] yes Mr oh I'm sorry yes yeah so I heard
[49:19] what you said and it's sounding like we
[49:21] would pass a resolution that connected
[49:24] city council is in favor of World Peace
[49:27] and I
[49:29] think well period I know but I mean
[49:33] that's like I'm sorry I'm not trying to
[49:36] I mean with all due respect but I mean
[49:38] it sounds like we're you know competing
[49:40] for Miss America what would you like to
[49:43] see happen I want world peace I mean
[49:44] that's the old joke from at least when I
[49:46] was a kid um but um I mean it just
[49:49] doesn't have
[49:50] any teeth in is that the right
[49:54] expression I mean I I but I mean I'm
[49:56] happy to say that the Sky City Council
[49:59] is all for World
[50:00] Peace okay so I guess then so then again
[50:03] that I mean but again so
[50:07] then but then we have to really look at
[50:09] the and check our motivation for what
[50:11] we're doing and what we're not doing
[50:13] because if we're approaching this from a
[50:14] genuine and honest and genuine way then
[50:17] what we're saying is that we're okay
[50:19] with passing a resolution that says that
[50:21] we stand for a world peace which is
[50:23] clearly an international issue right but
[50:25] so we're okay with then getting involved
[50:28] in international issue as long as we're
[50:30] no that's why I started with I think
[50:32] that we should make a statement that
[50:34] we're not getting involved in an
[50:35] International N I totally agree with
[50:37] what you just Reed so so what I'm saying
[50:39] is that let's really just check our
[50:40] motivation as to why our positions are
[50:42] and they shouldn't necessarily change
[50:44] just based on right right um I just want
[50:48] to add this point of clarity for the
[50:50] mayor well miss Patrick read the one
[50:52] that uh well um the one that was
[50:55] connecting City Council who has received
[50:57] request that was from Miss Patrick the
[50:59] other two intentionally were not
[51:01] identified they were um submitted by the
[51:05] two other groups that were having
[51:06] discussions we intentionally did not
[51:08] identify which group they came for so
[51:10] they would not be started out with a
[51:11] level of bias oh so I just say they get
[51:14] labeled resolution one resol ABC as
[51:18] they're referred to you could uh for
[51:21] correct one right so thank you madam
[51:23] president yes I'm sorry so what you're
[51:25] saying is they weren't subed by any of
[51:27] our city council members
[51:30] exactly is that do we have precedent
[51:35] for Mr well I'm sorry I'm I stand
[51:38] correctly go ahead Mr uh Williams I'm
[51:39] sorry so I'd say they're respective of
[51:41] ongoing conversations and discussions to
[51:43] identify a document that represents the
[51:46] community especially at which their
[51:47] position comes from so again I don't
[51:50] want to get back to the document that
[51:52] you put forward but I think if anything
[51:54] it should truly reflect or have a tone
[51:57] of the city of SM and any of that
[51:59] doesn't I think offers up the
[52:00] opportunity for it to be uh not
[52:03] reflective of the population our demogra
[52:06] demographics of our community um so
[52:09] again the conversations that I've been a
[52:11] part of have been with multiple
[52:13] Community leaders have been with
[52:14] multiple faith-based leaders and these
[52:16] two documents reflect two different
[52:19] positions I would wholeheartedly ask
[52:21] each of you to uh uh digest these
[52:24] because I think they both speak to
[52:26] Andress addressed to varying different
[52:27] degrees and for any members of our
[52:29] community that's wondering what we are
[52:30] discussing uh I've spoken with Sam and
[52:33] Miss pfield they will be available there
[52:35] after our conversation um but again this
[52:38] has been a complex conversation and
[52:40] there's no easy way to continue through
[52:42] it because anytime you have a statement
[52:44] there is always a a a additional ask or
[52:47] additional Aster to identify from the
[52:50] other side proper context so again there
[52:53] is no easy way to have this conversation
[52:55] but I do think we are obligated to act
[52:58] and Miss uh Miss Patrick I'm sorry I
[53:00] miss F they they were submitted through
[53:02] councilman Wing similar to your
[53:04] statement that came from someplace else
[53:06] that was submitted it was submitted to
[53:07] councilman Williams so I'm sorry it just
[53:10] wasn't written by him how about Mr just
[53:13] to follow on this conversation so these
[53:14] two resolution apart from this U Patrick
[53:16] resolution you're saying that the group
[53:18] doesn't want to identify themselves
[53:20] which one belongs to the
[53:23] group I would say there's bias so in
[53:27] wanting to uh digest this information
[53:29] wanting to look at its contents and not
[53:31] necessarily the individual that
[53:32] submitted it I thought was more
[53:34] appropriate so the group that you you
[53:36] and Mr Farley be meeting with is in the
[53:39] Jewish community and the Muslim
[53:40] Community and are these coming from the
[53:42] Muslim Community and Jewish Community
[53:44] yes so why can't we not identify
[53:50] it I would say then again there is no
[53:52] reason why we cannot identify but as
[53:55] we've been uh uh introduced based on
[53:59] everyone's position there is a knee-jerk
[54:00] reaction to this conversation yes or
[54:04] no yes yes or no there's an an initial
[54:08] response to the nature of this
[54:11] conversation yes right and in
[54:13] understanding that and understanding
[54:14] that we are in a different context
[54:16] specifically to uh previous events that
[54:20] this Council has entertained to submit
[54:21] resolutions on wanting to look at this
[54:24] from a different lens than Miss
[54:25] porterfield's point of how do we just
[54:27] evaluate the language that's it okay so
[54:30] just I respect your your your your
[54:33] bottle there but if if a group is going
[54:35] to present a resolution or a statement I
[54:37] would like them to stand by
[54:39] it because if Miss Patrick present a a
[54:42] statement here that was from on a
[54:45] different County and you know drafted
[54:48] differently you should have that but I
[54:51] say she didn't I I understand
[54:54] perception because
[54:57] [Music]
[54:59] Miss Patrick okay I did you are you done
[55:01] speaking Mr M sorry sorry Mr M that's
[55:04] sorry are you all set okay Miss pck did
[55:07] you have I did in the times that I
[55:09] emailed the statement indicate that it
[55:11] was um the Allington County Board that
[55:13] had um issued this statement and that I
[55:17] had just made some minor tweets to it
[55:19] been in response that there are often
[55:21] behind the scenes conversations that the
[55:23] public is not privy to hence providing
[55:25] that context at is
[55:27] important and can and I'll definitely
[55:30] get right to you Mr T I think it's
[55:32] really important that we recognize that
[55:35] this is a very sensitive and and and can
[55:38] be an inflammatory type of thing if we
[55:41] don't stay within our parameters um as
[55:44] council members and kind of again check
[55:45] our motivation for why we're doing this
[55:47] or why we even having this conversation
[55:49] this is not a conversation that anyone
[55:51] really wants to be in a position to have
[55:53] I don't think anyone is okay with people
[55:57] losing their lives with civilians losing
[55:59] their lives to war any conflict I don't
[56:01] think anyone here is okay with that what
[56:04] I want us to do is to not is to be
[56:07] mindful that we don't use this as a US
[56:09] verse them gotcha kind of moment let me
[56:11] winner argument with you at the table
[56:14] when we have a great a much larger
[56:16] obligation and opportunity to say hey
[56:20] this is my position this is why this is
[56:23] my position I understand and hear your
[56:26] position
[56:26] and then collectively we can either
[56:28] agree or disagree but I'm I get
[56:30] concerned with our especially around
[56:33] something that is so sensitive that we
[56:35] can kind of fall into that the tone of
[56:37] the conversation can shift from what
[56:40] we're here to do representing people of
[56:41] City's connec into our own kind of let's
[56:45] win the argument at the table when it's
[56:47] just not a a conversation that anyone's
[56:50] really uh super excited to have to be
[56:53] I'm sorry Mr ter
[56:56] just briefly reading over both of these
[56:58] I would have liked to have have them
[56:59] prior to this evening but um they're
[57:03] both very different okay um no matter
[57:07] who it one doesn't matter it's obvious
[57:11] from these two statements that people
[57:14] bringing this to the table are not in
[57:16] agreement okay not in agreement so how
[57:19] can we be in
[57:21] agreement we can't and that's obvious
[57:24] going around and around and around
[57:25] tonight and I I I I value each and
[57:29] everyone's
[57:31] opinion but it's this is not in our
[57:33] parameter so all we need to say as a
[57:37] councel you guys keep going to the table
[57:40] keep working on it keep promoting peace
[57:42] within each of your cultures okay and
[57:45] that can happen but right now we should
[57:47] not even be involved in this it's and
[57:50] nothing's going to happen here this
[57:52] evening right nothing
[57:57] so we make a statement
[58:00] got keep going you know come to an
[58:03] agreement come to the table you know
[58:05] we'll support you all the way but we're
[58:07] not supporting any resolution at this
[58:08] time done that's all I have to
[58:11] say again I think it would again I
[58:15] don't around well but we we do go around
[58:19] and around and again we go around around
[58:22] on lots of issues and I think that we
[58:23] have there's there a Norm at the table
[58:26] um I don't think that we all operate on
[58:28] one Accord I mean history will tell us
[58:31] that yet we've had some pretty spirited
[58:33] and contentious conversations around
[58:35] things that impact the people that live
[58:36] in the city and we were able to come to
[58:39] a at least a point of clarity as to
[58:41] where we stood individual individually
[58:44] and things have passed out of the
[58:45] council things have not passed out of
[58:46] the council um because we haven't agreed
[58:50] on things and that and it's okay for us
[58:52] not to agree I just don't think it's
[58:54] okay for us not to um have the
[58:57] conversation and honor what people have
[58:58] been bringing forward to us I'm not okay
[59:00] with that I I mean I think that we have
[59:02] had the conversation I think four of us
[59:04] around the table have indicated that we
[59:07] don't think that we should be making any
[59:09] kind of judgment on an international
[59:11] matter out of the seven of us um and so
[59:15] I guess you know there's three of you on
[59:16] this committee and you can decide
[59:19] whether it's going to come out of
[59:20] committee for discussion again next
[59:21] Monday at city council um or not but at
[59:26] this point what I would like to do and I
[59:28] would hope that we would being that to
[59:31] Mr tur's point in your point as well is
[59:32] that you know some of this language um
[59:35] that you received that you just received
[59:37] right now um I would hope that what we
[59:40] will be able to do is take the documents
[59:42] that you have received tonight um as
[59:45] well as the document that um that you
[59:46] have submitted prior um take those read
[59:49] them kind of digest through those and
[59:52] then see if you know there may be some
[59:54] um uh different different thoughts or or
[59:57] at least consider you know maybe a a
[1:00:00] different course of action and or not a
[1:00:02] course of action so I at this point I
[1:00:04] think that you guys have the information
[1:00:06] we all have the information let's take
[1:00:08] some time but this is very something we
[1:00:09] need to be very thoughtful about let's
[1:00:11] take some time to think about them and
[1:00:13] then we can bring them back um and and
[1:00:17] decide and and truly I don't want it to
[1:00:20] be missed because there was a lot of
[1:00:21] time and effort spent in crafting both
[1:00:23] these two languages and I want to make
[1:00:24] sure both of those
[1:00:26] understand that to to to Mr parley's
[1:00:28] point he's always able to kind of keep
[1:00:30] our Council centered and keep us well
[1:00:32] reflective of what we're saying and and
[1:00:33] get away from the kind of the tone so
[1:00:37] definitely uh uh each Document Speaks
[1:00:40] differently towards this issue and that is a very blatant and and and
[1:00:43] apparent understanding that took me uh a
[1:00:46] lot of hours of dialogue to also
[1:00:48] recognize and accept myself because I
[1:00:49] was something I did not accept I
[1:00:51] truthfully thought that we would be able
[1:00:53] to craft some collaborative language and
[1:00:55] that was not possible um but but again
[1:00:58] to to to the time and and emotion that
[1:01:01] was invested in both of these I can
[1:01:02] guarantee each Community respects these
[1:01:06] as the true intent and their ability to
[1:01:08] identify language that addresses that
[1:01:10] conflict and wherever you lay and I'm
[1:01:13] not excluding the the Mandate that you
[1:01:16] submitted but I would just ask you
[1:01:18] compel you to just read that over and I do think although two weeks is
[1:01:22] additional time and additional time in
[1:01:24] this conflict but I think reflect of
[1:01:26] everyone knows that whatever action We
[1:01:28] Take It ultimately is not going to end
[1:01:30] up itself influence that outcome in the
[1:01:32] noise it it will not but to to Mr
[1:01:36] Farley's point there is a considerable
[1:01:39] ask from our community to respond to
[1:01:41] this and that that in and that simple
[1:01:44] statement was the reason why my actions
[1:01:46] were that they
[1:01:48] were so I think you know hearing you
[1:01:51] know what people are saying today um and
[1:01:54] I appreciate your ability to kind of
[1:01:56] navigate this tough and difficult uh
[1:01:58] conversation um so it's not lost on me
[1:02:01] that this is something that um has
[1:02:03] serious uh consequences um to people
[1:02:07] professionally personally politically
[1:02:09] all of the things and I just appreciate
[1:02:12] you guys are willingness to kind of
[1:02:13] engage in this conversation from a
[1:02:15] genuine place I we will leave um
[1:02:18] everyone has uh the documents of that
[1:02:21] are in front of them have some time to
[1:02:23] digest them and then we can um decide
[1:02:26] whether whether a course of action will
[1:02:27] be taken and what that course of action
[1:02:29] will be oh I'm sorry president it's okay
[1:02:32] so and I just want to remind folks that
[1:02:34] so um it's been brought up that people
[1:02:36] you know um wouldn't necessarily agree
[1:02:38] and we can't come to an agreement uh
[1:02:41] each council member has an opportunity
[1:02:43] at the end of the meeting to State their
[1:02:44] position on whatever is going on so just
[1:02:47] keep in mind that if there if we get to
[1:02:49] the place where we're just not able to
[1:02:52] um pass anything through everyone here
[1:02:54] has an opportunity to St them and say
[1:02:55] this is where I stand so that is not
[1:02:58] something that you you can always
[1:02:59] exercise that um if we get to the point
[1:03:02] where it's just not never coming up with
[1:03:05] anything that that everybody can agree
[1:03:07] on and sometimes that happens and as has
[1:03:09] been stated we have to make sure that
[1:03:11] we're also as we're doing this um make
[1:03:14] sure that we're keeping making sure
[1:03:16] we're doing the business of the people
[1:03:17] and I've gotten statements from people
[1:03:20] that um because of the number of people
[1:03:22] at the council meeting that people
[1:03:24] didn't have an opportunity to speak um
[1:03:27] and I've figured out a way to rectify
[1:03:28] that if if we get to that place again
[1:03:30] because City business should still be um
[1:03:34] our priority I'm not saying it's the
[1:03:36] only thing that we do but it certainly
[1:03:38] should be our priority so I will just
[1:03:40] make sure that people that come to the
[1:03:41] meeting have an opportunity to speak on
[1:03:43] City business that outside this present
[1:03:45] discussion that has been ongoing so I
[1:03:48] just want to remind council members
[1:03:49] again that if you just can't see any of
[1:03:52] this being anything that you can agree
[1:03:53] to um at all you always had the
[1:03:56] opportunity for miscellaneous um
[1:03:59] business of the council to State
[1:04:01] whatever it is that you would like to
[1:04:02] state so
[1:04:05] um thank you but we did agree on world
[1:04:07] peace that's something that we were able
[1:04:09] to at least get agreed about so um any
[1:04:12] more comments questions or concerns
[1:04:13] around that Mr Williams if I
[1:04:16] can throughout this conversation I
[1:04:19] always recognize that or throughout my
[1:04:21] com comments with the community always
[1:04:23] recognize it was not my place to sway
[1:04:25] anyone's opinion or their perspective on
[1:04:27] this issue and I accepted that but
[1:04:29] wholeheartedly I wanted to say I
[1:04:30] appreciate everyone's openness and and
[1:04:32] responses and I think you'll find that
[1:04:34] the community regardless of how they
[1:04:36] interpret your responses will appreciate
[1:04:38] that uh uh thoughtfulness with with
[1:04:41] being
[1:04:44] transparent so I just want to so
[1:04:46] government operations is not going to
[1:04:48] consider this uh this evening well
[1:04:51] there's no I mean in terms of you know
[1:04:54] seeing if it comes out of committee
[1:04:56] it's a discussion this no this was a
[1:04:58] discussion point if you on the agenda
[1:04:59] that's why it was it's list yeah it's
[1:05:02] listed as a discussion point so just for
[1:05:04] that particular reason so we can have a
[1:05:06] discussion and everyone can make um
[1:05:08] informed decision if and when we get to
[1:05:11] a point of decision that's why it was on
[1:05:13] for discussion Mr hi thank you m pfield
[1:05:17] I know you you said you weren't in favor
[1:05:19] of passing or considering um Miss
[1:05:21] Patrick's uh statement um but I didn't
[1:05:24] hear a stance from you
[1:05:26] on you know where you may stand on
[1:05:29] this um goe no I was trying to question
[1:05:33] while well I I made my statement I'm not
[1:05:35] willing to do this I'll read for the
[1:05:37] rest of it and then when it's when when
[1:05:38] I feel it's appropriate I'll make my
[1:05:40] statement okay thank
[1:05:43] you and just if you're wondering whether
[1:05:45] I think we should get involved in
[1:05:46] international matters I think there may
[1:05:48] be opportunities where we will get
[1:05:49] involved in National matters so I will
[1:05:51] not blatantly and blankly say never
[1:05:54] International matters I don't know what
[1:05:55] the future holds so if that's what
[1:05:58] you're looking for no not at all I was
[1:05:59] just looking for your stance thank you
[1:06:01] so that was helpful I not because I will
[1:06:04] never blanketly say because I don't
[1:06:06] think it's even as as elected people
[1:06:08] that you blanketly say you will never
[1:06:09] because we don't know what the future
[1:06:11] bring so I will never just draw a line
[1:06:14] in the say and say absolutely I will not
[1:06:15] cross that line I will take into
[1:06:17] consideration what is happening at the
[1:06:18] moment at the time and use that to make
[1:06:21] my decision and I think again you know
[1:06:24] for me just for clarity is like um it
[1:06:27] though it's an international matter it
[1:06:29] definitely has a local implications and
[1:06:31] that's where I think is where you know
[1:06:34] what obligates US when people are com
[1:06:35] and talk to us and saying how it's
[1:06:37] impacting them within this community
[1:06:38] then it's I think that that's what we're
[1:06:40] obligated to um respond um and
[1:06:43] understanding that our response might
[1:06:44] not be adequate to what some people
[1:06:46] would like and and and and that's okay I
[1:06:49] think that we just you know I don't see
[1:06:52] this
[1:06:53] as uh only of Interest ational matter is
[1:06:56] kind of the point I'm saying primarily
[1:06:58] International matter but definitely has
[1:07:00] some pretty um serious implications with
[1:07:02] us um
[1:07:03] locally so uh if there's no more
[1:07:07] questions or comments around this issue
[1:07:08] I'll leave everyone with this uh and I'd
[1:07:12] like to
[1:07:13] uh accept the motion to close government
[1:07:17] operations second we're close all in
[1:07:21] favor close thank you I'd like to call
[1:07:25] again development and planning we have
[1:07:26] eight items on the agenda the first item
[1:07:30] is M Harver uh call for public hearing
[1:07:32] for the histor commission changes good
[1:07:36] evening on March 28th the proposed extor
[1:07:40] commission City cold changes we
[1:07:42] presented to city council and we asked
[1:07:44] for zoning coordination referal to be
[1:07:45] sent to the county which it did get sent
[1:07:48] we received a response with no comments
[1:07:52] but the recommendation to their
[1:07:53] Department local so today I am here
[1:07:55] asking city council to call for a public
[1:07:58] hearing regarding those changes and if
[1:08:00] needed submit those changes to the
[1:08:08] commission so there's no
[1:08:10] questions question I thought you were
[1:08:13] asking a question I thought you were
[1:08:15] asking a question as well you have me
[1:08:16] there so you're moving it yeah second
[1:08:18] all those in favor I think
[1:08:23] for all right um excuse me the the next
[1:08:26] item on the agenda is the extension of
[1:08:28] building moratorium on the submission
[1:08:29] and processing of building permits
[1:08:31] certificates of occupancy certificant of
[1:08:33] use and land use approvals for smoke
[1:08:35] shops vape shops and toac tobacco or
[1:08:38] vape consumption businesses M
[1:08:41] barash Madam president I'll take that
[1:08:44] one that's okay um this is uh last
[1:08:46] council meeting you uh transmitted the
[1:08:49] proposed ordinance up to the county we
[1:08:51] haven't gotten response back so during
[1:08:53] the pendency of that waiting that
[1:08:56] response uh this is an extension of the
[1:08:58] moratorium that ends on June 10th um and
[1:09:02] that the public hearing is on Monday but
[1:09:04] also you can it ends on that day so you
[1:09:07] can pass this ordinance after the public
[1:09:09] hearing to extend it out the September
[1:09:11] 10th or just such earlier time that you
[1:09:14] take final action on the proposed
[1:09:20] ordinance so with that how are we doing
[1:09:22] I know that the reason we were having
[1:09:24] this more time because we were working
[1:09:25] on this zoning where are we with that
[1:09:26] well the Zone that's the zoning
[1:09:27] ordinance right that's gone that's gone
[1:09:29] up to County planning for the input just
[1:09:31] like the historic district commission so
[1:09:33] once we get that back from County
[1:09:35] Planning then you'll have the the
[1:09:38] final uh uh ordinance draft for your
[1:09:42] review and approval so you're waiting
[1:09:44] for back to K yeah we're waiting for the
[1:09:45] county to transmit that back just like
[1:09:47] they they reviewed the uh historic
[1:09:49] district ordinance so uh once we get
[1:09:53] that then uh
[1:09:56] you'll be able to take final action on
[1:09:58] it but during that pendency we're just
[1:10:00] pushing that out a little bit as we
[1:10:02] await the but we don't ant we don't
[1:10:05] anticipate them being out till September
[1:10:07] no they have by by the code they they
[1:10:09] have to do it within 30 days okay okay
[1:10:13] thank you and when did we send it I'm
[1:10:14] sorry it went out last week okay so I
[1:10:17] anticipate in the next few weeks we'll
[1:10:19] be get a report back okay yes Mr M so we
[1:10:24] have to have two resolutions
[1:10:26] is that no just it's just it's just an
[1:10:28] ordinance you you have the public
[1:10:30] hearings on Monday and this is the
[1:10:31] ordinance amending the original
[1:10:33] ordinance that that expires on the SE on
[1:10:37] Monday and this is just pushing that uh
[1:10:41] moratorium period out another 90 days to
[1:10:43] September 10th but it's anticipated
[1:10:46] you'll get that before that time but the
[1:10:49] ordinance final
[1:10:51] action just the one that answer your
[1:10:54] question Mr all
[1:10:57] right motion so Mo second all in favor I
[1:11:02] thank you thank you uh the next item is
[1:11:05] um ceremonial resolution recognizing
[1:11:09] juneth 2024 we do this every year so
[1:11:12] just asking for the council to consider
[1:11:15] passing a resolution um recognizing Jun
[1:11:18] so second all those in
[1:11:21] favor item number four revisiting a
[1:11:24] discussion about reducing speed to 25
[1:11:26] mph and other traffic safety measures
[1:11:29] Miss Patrick yes um I first want to
[1:11:31] clarify that I wasn't um thinking that
[1:11:34] we would be 25 miles hour across the
[1:11:36] whole city but rather that um certain
[1:11:39] neighborhoods would so we basically I
[1:11:41] just wanted to initiate the discussion
[1:11:42] again because residents have come to us
[1:11:45] again continue to come to us about the
[1:11:48] issue of the issues related to speeding
[1:11:49] and other traffic uh violations in the
[1:11:52] city so um
[1:11:55] you know I wanted to bring it back I
[1:11:57] thought that we probably would need to
[1:11:58] have um other staff come in um and talk
[1:12:02] about this but just wanted to put it out
[1:12:04] on the table and see if folks were
[1:12:06] interested in revisiting
[1:12:09] this well the last time that we did um
[1:12:12] discuss this Mr Wallen was here and he
[1:12:14] did say we had to have a traffic
[1:12:15] engineer who was also here but if I
[1:12:17] remember correctly and in addition to
[1:12:19] that um we would if we were going to do
[1:12:22] we have to figure out where we could do
[1:12:23] it versus where we couldn't because
[1:12:25] places we wouldn't be able to do it uh
[1:12:28] at this point in
[1:12:29] time I don't know if Mr wall has put
[1:12:32] anything forward or we even asked him to
[1:12:33] put anything forward where we couldn't I'm not sure if it's
[1:12:36] Mr Wallen or um uh M
[1:12:42] Mr no but he's working with Mr wall
[1:12:45] right Brian can Brian Canon Mr Canon Mr
[1:12:48] Canon I've not met him what I've not met
[1:12:51] him no I haven't either but um I'm happy
[1:12:54] to reach out to them or would that be
[1:12:56] appropriate for your office to reach out
[1:12:59] to them to try to present something
[1:13:01] there to us we have to ask what you want
[1:13:03] presented right I guess I'd like to have
[1:13:06] you know um their recommendations on uh
[1:13:09] whether reducing the speed limit to 25 M
[1:13:13] an hour in certain areas of the city
[1:13:16] would help to alleviate some of the
[1:13:18] issues that residents are coming forth
[1:13:20] with concern about um so it would
[1:13:22] probably be a traffic study um
[1:13:29] yes Mr uh fary yeah yeah i' I'd also
[1:13:32] like to know like where like kind of
[1:13:34] like what are the parameters in which
[1:13:36] those decisions are made for like where
[1:13:38] we could decrease speed limit and where
[1:13:41] we couldn't because I remember like one
[1:13:42] point in the conversation I was thinking
[1:13:44] we just need to increase stop signs
[1:13:46] right and then kind of and I don't know
[1:13:49] if I'm wrong about this but I remember I
[1:13:51] think it was Mr rer that was saying that
[1:13:52] actually increasing stop signs at
[1:13:54] certain places
[1:13:55] won't decrease uh will actually can have
[1:14:00] uh reverse effect and won't make things
[1:14:02] safer kind of cuz there's some other
[1:14:04] byproducts of that that I was unaware of
[1:14:06] like so I was thinking like yeah I'd
[1:14:08] like
[1:14:09] to to to see like where we could do that
[1:14:12] and where we couldn't and kind of what
[1:14:13] the rationale was why and I guess my
[1:14:15] question is does that require uh a a
[1:14:20] complete traffic study or is that more
[1:14:23] is there something Mr may I don't know
[1:14:24] like if like is there something that
[1:14:26] where we can get kind of more of a at a
[1:14:29] glance or is there going to be a traffic
[1:14:32] study conducted anyway so should we just
[1:14:33] kind of wait for that I guess that's
[1:14:34] what my question is well some it's a
[1:14:37] policy decision of the council what the
[1:14:39] speed limit
[1:14:41] is some changes do require study to
[1:14:44] validate or substantiate what action
[1:14:47] you're taking again it depends on what
[1:14:50] road and what the intent is and what the
[1:14:54] council's looking to to
[1:14:56] do Patrick and I just want to say that was where you're right that the
[1:15:02] other traffic calming measures um an
[1:15:04] expression that I learned when we you
[1:15:06] know over the course of time of talking
[1:15:08] about this would include you know
[1:15:10] looking at stop signs looking at um you
[1:15:13] know speed bumps looking at all those
[1:15:15] other kinds of things that might help
[1:15:17] but there's also because we also have
[1:15:19] had the conversation around the other
[1:15:20] side of this which is enforcement um so
[1:15:23] in fact um we've even had you know our
[1:15:27] police come and talk to us about that
[1:15:29] because that has implications as well
[1:15:31] all around Staffing around you know
[1:15:33] around lots of stuff so I just wanted to
[1:15:36] bring it back to the table because um
[1:15:39] obviously we're hearing from residents
[1:15:41] at least I have been hearing from
[1:15:42] residents um continuously around issues
[1:15:45] that they feel are happening in their
[1:15:47] neighborhoods because of
[1:15:50] speeding I'm sorry you were making a
[1:15:52] point and just yeah I was I guess I was I was thinking about because I
[1:15:57] know that we did you know that on Kings
[1:15:59] Road and we got a lot of information and
[1:16:00] data um that was based on Kings Road in
[1:16:03] particular and based on that information
[1:16:05] that we got from you know Kings Rose is
[1:16:07] that something that where we can kind of
[1:16:09] just repeat that in other area so my
[1:16:11] question is there is there are we is
[1:16:13] there going to be a larger traffic study
[1:16:15] done is that in the works or is there
[1:16:17] going to be um responsive to whatever
[1:16:20] neighborhood are coming forth to say
[1:16:22] like there's an issue yeah I don't think
[1:16:24] that we have anything under way right
[1:16:25] now okay cuz I cuz Okay so I guess that
[1:16:29] really kind of goes to to the mayor is there um based on what all the input
[1:16:33] and all the discussions we have is there
[1:16:35] um a traffic study underway right now
[1:16:37] well we're collecting a lot more data
[1:16:39] than we've had and we're collecting more
[1:16:42] than most municipalities have some of
[1:16:44] the other Comming devices the speed
[1:16:48] humps you know we've deployed those
[1:16:50] looked at what the uh impact is we moved
[1:16:53] from a couple locations
[1:16:55] uh I have not seen any accident
[1:16:59] information from that which is what
[1:17:02] really drives a lot of
[1:17:04] these events you know the speeding might
[1:17:08] be above what the posted limit is if you
[1:17:12] don't have any accidents you know you're
[1:17:15] kind of flying with the angels we do
[1:17:17] some of these things where you put up
[1:17:19] stop signs you're going to probably
[1:17:21] increase the rear end uh collisions
[1:17:25] the fender benders so that it's is what
[1:17:27] you articulate what Mr Wallen pointed
[1:17:29] out there are consequences or
[1:17:34] different scenarios that play out for
[1:17:37] any of these changes that you make and
[1:17:39] we've all talked about the overall thing
[1:17:42] is uh just educating people to be
[1:17:46] compliant with
[1:17:48] what the regulations are when they
[1:17:50] driving a car and if yeah you do that it
[1:17:53] makes life a lot simpler
[1:17:57] may put that on the world peace
[1:18:00] resolution just file file the BNT law
[1:18:03] too but yes if you want some of that
[1:18:06] back we can maybe break it down into
[1:18:09] components or not a lot of it you could
[1:18:11] talk for 2 or 3 hours here covering the
[1:18:14] whole city so it's break it down into
[1:18:16] specific areas and points that we think
[1:18:19] are more easily achievable to uh get
[1:18:22] some of the goals that we want m so can
[1:18:25] you just a couple minutes to hammer that
[1:18:27] out Mr Williams did you have something
[1:18:29] you want to say yes and I was going to
[1:18:30] add to Mr mayor's point I think it's important that we uh be intentional
[1:18:35] of what we're trying to achieve and case
[1:18:37] point being driven by like either
[1:18:39] accident prone areas or like new high
[1:18:41] nuisance areas where again to this point
[1:18:44] like if we're trying to implicate a
[1:18:46] change like old add don't change that's
[1:18:48] not broken so I know some people uh
[1:18:51] don't put a lot of value in calling the
[1:18:52] police department because it may be
[1:18:54] responsive and and not preventative in
[1:18:56] some instances which I would argue
[1:18:58] against I think that provides us the
[1:19:00] proper data and context to evaluate
[1:19:03] doing these types of measures so again
[1:19:05] it's the mayor's point of U
[1:19:08] understanding that you taking it upon
[1:19:09] yourself to speed throughout different
[1:19:10] communities or to uh drive on the
[1:19:13] roadway in a manner that's not uh
[1:19:15] appropriate it comes at expense to
[1:19:17] someone else uh so so again please be
[1:19:20] considered of your surroundings um but
[1:19:22] also again if you are identifying these
[1:19:24] areas Within in your community please
[1:19:25] call the police department for better or
[1:19:27] worse that helps us as a council
[1:19:29] identify the appropriate means to
[1:19:30] respond and as a council we need to make
[1:19:32] sure that we have that understanding in
[1:19:34] mind if we gather this information and
[1:19:36] do nothing with it it is intrinsically a
[1:19:39] waste of time so as long as we're
[1:19:40] motivated to act with this information I
[1:19:42] think that is the most appropriate Way
[1:19:45] Forward yes Mr M yeah thank you I think
[1:19:49] when we discussed it the last time we we
[1:19:50] did identify a couple areas especially
[1:19:53] the school zone I think was was a focus
[1:19:55] point in into the school zone to look at
[1:19:58] how we 25 hours historically would
[1:20:01] affect those well they they're 15 they
[1:20:03] are and high traffic high traffic area
[1:20:06] high accident area so um I think we ask
[1:20:09] for report I'm mistaken so we just have
[1:20:11] to follow back and see where those
[1:20:13] reports
[1:20:14] are yeah the school district I'm sorry
[1:20:18] but um Miss pill let me just um I think
[1:20:20] the school the school zones are already
[1:20:22] set at 15 M hour M um but I think you
[1:20:27] know in terms of other
[1:20:30] high areas I think Mr Williams just said
[1:20:33] you know where there there's more
[1:20:35] accidents or more violations that that
[1:20:38] is we can we can ask for that
[1:20:41] specific you another comment no I I just
[1:20:45] want to add I mean in terms of that we
[1:20:46] can um look at we have I'm trying to
[1:20:51] think back what we discussed and what we
[1:20:52] asked for at that point in time and
[1:20:53] we're supposed to um get some report in
[1:20:56] terms of the speeding across the city
[1:20:58] and high traffic area high accident area
[1:21:01] and to bring that back but I think it
[1:21:03] went D that one time so I think getting
[1:21:06] those reports would help us to identify
[1:21:08] the area that needed the attention and
[1:21:11] uh to look at the speed limit at that
[1:21:12] point in time Mr Mr Mayor the highest
[1:21:16] incident area for both Auto pedestrian
[1:21:20] in just Autos is Brandy Wine Avenue at
[1:21:24] state
[1:21:25] Albany Dwayne and when you get to
[1:21:28] 890 we have
[1:21:31] spent a number of years lining up the
[1:21:34] money rebuilding that uh realigning it
[1:21:38] and there's still some constraints
[1:21:39] because it's Mon and Old City you don't
[1:21:41] get things necessarily quite the
[1:21:43] dimensions you want and I think all the
[1:21:46] traffic control devices now are
[1:21:51] operational being sequenced and so that
[1:21:54] scenario where hopefully we're going to
[1:21:57] see we spent a lot of money millions of
[1:22:00] dollars that we're going to see a drop
[1:22:02] in the number of events there and some
[1:22:05] of that will learn from that uh do these
[1:22:09] things pay off in terms of uh
[1:22:13] minimizing auto accidents and again it
[1:22:16] had the highest incidence of Auto
[1:22:18] pedestrian those are ones where you get
[1:22:20] you know serious injuries a lot of the
[1:22:24] uh auto accidents where you get two cars
[1:22:26] bumping into each other yes it's not
[1:22:27] good uh yes today's world it's not cheap
[1:22:31] either but uh the injuries are minimal
[1:22:34] so it'll uh be an area where we spend a
[1:22:37] lot of time collected a lot of
[1:22:38] information and are going to be able to
[1:22:40] see you know hopefully these things are
[1:22:42] working and making a difference Mr M
[1:22:45] yeah just add to that so one of the take
[1:22:47] away from the last discussion we had was
[1:22:48] the enforcement and do we have the manp
[1:22:51] power from the police department to do
[1:22:53] this enforcement because it's one thing
[1:22:55] that we reduce the speed limit to 25 if
[1:22:58] we ever to do that but how are we going
[1:23:00] to enforce it there's nobody here from
[1:23:02] the police department yes it's not
[1:23:05] necessarily my position but if they were
[1:23:07] here they would say any more C
[1:23:09] yes and that's what I'm trying to
[1:23:11] because if we're going to do this then
[1:23:13] we we need we're going to need to
[1:23:14] enforce it but then how do we enforce it
[1:23:17] and and just I just want to follow then
[1:23:19] Mr Williams and Miss um Miss Patrick
[1:23:21] that another area of the city that we're
[1:23:23] hearing a lot of PL where at least I am
[1:23:25] is down on um Area Boulevard people
[1:23:29] coming out of the side streets and
[1:23:30] trying pedestrians I'm talking about
[1:23:32] here trying to make their way across and
[1:23:34] things that have happened people have
[1:23:35] gotten hit so um we we definitely need
[1:23:37] to address this in some way I'm not sure
[1:23:40] if 25 mph or more traffic calming
[1:23:43] devices or more right but we definitely
[1:23:46] need to to um bring this to a place
[1:23:48] where we can Mak make it makes a
[1:23:50] difference stor my comment was going to your point there are hidden corridors
[1:23:54] around the the city where if we continue
[1:23:57] to try to retroact respond to it I think
[1:23:59] we're always going to be chasing traffic
[1:24:01] and then also Chief Clifford did come
[1:24:02] here and provide a presentation of you
[1:24:04] put a device that identifies that you're
[1:24:06] exceeding speeding or you put a patrol
[1:24:08] officer in any one position in the city
[1:24:10] and almost instantaneously all disc
[1:24:12] connected he knows to just drive around
[1:24:13] that police officer but to your point Mr
[1:24:16] M the conversation around the school
[1:24:19] zones was uh I think there's a home rule
[1:24:21] or something that we could apply to to
[1:24:24] receive to cameras in those areas and
[1:24:28] myself and Mr palini was to requesting
[1:24:31] to see if that can be extended to other
[1:24:33] areas in our community where we can
[1:24:35] utilize technology to kind of identify
[1:24:38] excessive speeding and then also do like
[1:24:40] automatic ticket
[1:24:41] ticketing so just to um we already the
[1:24:44] home rule we've sent it in we have our
[1:24:45] bill numbers I'll be sending you
[1:24:47] actually update on that where we are
[1:24:49] with that so that's we did follow up on
[1:24:50] it yeah and so just so you know didn't
[1:24:54] just go the way
[1:24:56] of uh you know black hole or something
[1:24:59] so it's it's been followed up and and we
[1:25:01] finally are there miss Patrick did you
[1:25:03] have another comment well I just um I
[1:25:05] think that you know basically I think we
[1:25:07] probably would want to have a
[1:25:08] presentation by uh whether it's Mr
[1:25:11] Wallen uh Mr um I'm
[1:25:14] sorry Canon uh and someone from the
[1:25:18] police department maybe a joint you know
[1:25:20] the three of them um I think that would
[1:25:21] be a good thing I mean I'm sure I I
[1:25:24] think another thing would be
[1:25:26] if I mean I heard from somebody again
[1:25:28] today that's in a different neighborhood
[1:25:30] from other people that I've heard from
[1:25:31] so I'm sure if we all if if you all are
[1:25:34] getting uh similar kinds of things maybe
[1:25:36] we could also you know maybe send you
[1:25:39] know to to miss Miku you know here's
[1:25:42] this neighborhood that neighborhood this
[1:25:43] neighborhood in preparation for and then
[1:25:46] get that passed on to the um to the
[1:25:49] folks around a presentation or you know
[1:25:52] little studies in certain neighborhoods
[1:25:53] depending on who we're hearing from um I don't know just throw that out to you
[1:25:57] all no I think that makes sense because
[1:25:59] we're trying to do this by a silo kind
[1:26:02] of uh approach is not working right and
[1:26:05] so we need to know so they can take a
[1:26:06] bit a look more a more overall look so I
[1:26:09] think that's a good suggestion so with
[1:26:11] that if anyone has anything you know
[1:26:13] forwarded because I know that all of us
[1:26:15] or each of you know individually or more
[1:26:17] than one I don't know how they all send
[1:26:18] their emails not sure how people decide
[1:26:20] where to send their emails but um get um
[1:26:23] emails and comments regarding traffic
[1:26:26] safety issues and I usually forward mine
[1:26:27] onto the mayor's office um but it's a
[1:26:30] good idea if we're going to do this
[1:26:31] report that people um forward them all
[1:26:34] to miss Miku and she can then forward on
[1:26:36] them on to um the whoever's going to do
[1:26:40] the presentation I think it's a good
[1:26:41] idea to have people from all all three
[1:26:43] of the groups that you mentioned the
[1:26:45] chief Mr Wallen and Mr Cannon um to come
[1:26:49] and don't have us in terms of timing I
[1:26:52] think we'd have to give them more than
[1:26:53] two weeks yeah so um just I just don't
[1:26:56] want to lose it again in terms of this
[1:26:58] the third time that we've talked about
[1:27:00] it um I think I put the dates in here
[1:27:03] that we have addressed it before so
[1:27:07] um um Mr yeah I guess um I think that we
[1:27:11] should cuz we're collecting all this
[1:27:13] data and I remember Mr fuchi kind of
[1:27:15] came and gave us a presentation that was
[1:27:16] really cool and I was like you know
[1:27:17] really shocked at the level of like all
[1:27:19] the information we could get so I would
[1:27:20] just say that we should be looking at
[1:27:23] the the information that we have
[1:27:25] currently and see what is actionable I
[1:27:28] think that's a pretty uh safe place as
[1:27:31] our what what's actionable and not only
[1:27:33] an enforcement because we keep talking
[1:27:35] about awareness and education and I
[1:27:37] think that that might be something that
[1:27:39] is a is a a easier lift than necessarily
[1:27:43] enforcement or maybe I should say a
[1:27:44] different lift but it's just something
[1:27:46] that's I say that we really is worth
[1:27:48] exploring with the with the data and the
[1:27:49] information that we have now and I think
[1:27:52] that you know some of the qualitative
[1:27:53] data of residents that are saying this
[1:27:55] is impeding my quality of life or
[1:27:57] something that where we can at least if
[1:27:59] we can't you know
[1:28:01] justify uh certain interventions without
[1:28:04] a traffic study then what what is within
[1:28:07] our real house where we can least
[1:28:09] respond to your point so we're not
[1:28:10] continuous so just I mean this is a
[1:28:12] conversation I'm sure will go on and on
[1:28:14] but at least as the conversation going
[1:28:16] on we can be responsive based on the
[1:28:17] data that we have I also think that um
[1:28:20] this will be a good uh place to kind of
[1:28:22] partner with the school district I I do
[1:28:24] remember some time ago there's
[1:28:26] conversations about like um um some of
[1:28:29] the research that the schools district
[1:28:30] has done on like walking school bus
[1:28:32] models and walkability for students to
[1:28:34] get to school and I think that those
[1:28:35] could be um good data points to see like
[1:28:38] how we can respond there and I know that
[1:28:39] the mayor was you know really open to
[1:28:42] supporting you know any way that we can
[1:28:44] increase safety for our Walkers within
[1:28:45] the school district so I think that we
[1:28:47] should maybe include them in that
[1:28:48] conversation I would definitely reach
[1:28:50] out um to do that that's okay okay
[1:28:54] are you just waving that's all you hand
[1:28:57] go you
[1:29:02] Mr okay been
[1:29:06] involuntary any for the
[1:29:09] discussion okay so we will um uh just to
[1:29:13] uh wrap it up we'll send the information
[1:29:15] any any group any one we heard from any
[1:29:18] areas we'll forward it to miss Miku Miss
[1:29:20] mik who can um bring forward it and
[1:29:22] there we'd have to ask you um whether we
[1:29:24] could get the police chief Mr Wallen and
[1:29:27] Mr Canon to um put the information
[1:29:30] together and provide a report to the
[1:29:32] city council and and U so will a month
[1:29:35] be done with you two cycles we bring it
[1:29:38] back uh two cycles okay thank you thank
[1:29:44] you um the next four
[1:29:49] items the M Street needs to be executive
[1:29:51] session yes the ordinance should be
[1:29:53] public
[1:29:55] the so item number five is the ordinance
[1:29:58] abandoning a portion of a mist stre m
[1:30:03] barash
[1:30:05] um did you
[1:30:18] want we uh now are we going to dig with
[1:30:23] okay I'll take a
[1:30:26] problem so uh there is a vacant lot on
[1:30:29] Amelia Street Amelia Street is a paper
[1:30:32] Street um there are two buyers
[1:30:37] interested in purchasing portions of it
[1:30:41] uh this has been discussed
[1:30:45] previously uh we are now ready to move
[1:30:47] forward from the Law Department we
[1:30:50] needed
[1:30:52] um uh legal descript
[1:30:54] for each of the Lots in order to be able
[1:30:58] to describe them in an ordinance and
[1:31:01] thereafter in uh the respective Deeds so
[1:31:06] you have
[1:31:08] um in front of you you have the
[1:31:17] nothing so we can discuss the prices in
[1:31:21] executive will
[1:31:26] so in terms of the abandonment piece of
[1:31:28] it though I thought we were going to
[1:31:30] because I see no
[1:31:32] documentation that at all regarding the
[1:31:35] abandonment piece leg description I see
[1:31:38] nothing I see it was the uh we had a
[1:31:42] public hearing I guess last year on the
[1:31:44] abandonment of the paper Street which is
[1:31:46] a paper Street you know that's listed on
[1:31:49] the official map is connect that
[1:31:51] indicating that at some point we ever
[1:31:53] wanted to use use that that would be a
[1:31:55] street so what happened was last year
[1:31:59] people expressed interest in the
[1:32:00] purchasing this paper Street you had a
[1:32:03] public hearing because you have to have
[1:32:04] a public hearing before abandoning a
[1:32:07] paper street that the city is no longer
[1:32:09] going to be using that property for
[1:32:12] anything
[1:32:13] so you've done that you've done that and
[1:32:16] during the course of that time period
[1:32:18] when you had that public hearing last
[1:32:19] year regarding the concept of banding
[1:32:23] this particular portion of the
[1:32:26] street there would legal descriptions
[1:32:29] have been made regarding the parcel
[1:32:31] itself right now it was was just on a a
[1:32:34] map so therefore they had to do legal
[1:32:38] descriptions by meats and Bounds and the
[1:32:41] four corners of these particular Lots so
[1:32:45] there's two things that you all have to
[1:32:47] do is one is one you have to abandon the
[1:32:51] street in other words you're making the
[1:32:53] declaration and that will be in the
[1:32:55] ordinance language you're not using this
[1:32:59] make reference to the public hearing
[1:33:00] that you had last year you're not using
[1:33:03] this for a public purposes you're
[1:33:05] abandoning this street and that that
[1:33:08] portion that the portion that you're
[1:33:10] abandoning will be in the legal
[1:33:12] description of the ordinance the second
[1:33:14] thing you have to do is then the actual
[1:33:17] sale the sale would be in executive
[1:33:19] section because there's certain terms of
[1:33:21] it but the public got had up public
[1:33:24] hearing that you you're abandoning the
[1:33:27] public Street and you're abandoning that
[1:33:31] uh paper Street with the idea of selling
[1:33:35] it as parcels and and that's why you're
[1:33:39] the ordinance is is goes first and then
[1:33:42] the sale has to go second because you
[1:33:44] have to abandon it first and then put
[1:33:48] and then it will be up for sale or up
[1:33:50] for sale I understand that and I
[1:33:52] appreciate all of the
[1:33:54] however some of that really needs to be
[1:33:56] in writing because we have nothing here
[1:33:58] like what you just explained really so
[1:34:00] that there's some documentation of what
[1:34:03] what's going on and what the process is
[1:34:05] what what the ordinance will do what the
[1:34:08] prop I I understand but the proposed
[1:34:10] ordance when you have it on Monday we'll
[1:34:12] have the public hearing notice attached
[1:34:14] to it etc etc so it will be a complete
[1:34:16] package so the coun in the future though
[1:34:18] here we at least the council needs to be
[1:34:20] able to have
[1:34:21] that Madam president reason that's
[1:34:24] actually um I just realized that it's
[1:34:26] not in here is because we are waiting
[1:34:28] for confirmation as to which legal
[1:34:30] description goes with which section
[1:34:32] block and lot number um so the ordinance
[1:34:35] you will have it on Monday this has been
[1:34:37] a process to get done and um we are just
[1:34:40] waiting on that information because we
[1:34:42] need to know which of the legal
[1:34:44] descriptions to drop into the ordinance
[1:34:47] um so that because we're
[1:34:49] not
[1:34:50] abandoning all the Lots we're abandoning
[1:34:53] do the St so once I get confirmation of
[1:34:57] which uh legal description goes with
[1:35:01] which SPL then I'll be able to drop it
[1:35:03] into the ordinance and you will have it
[1:35:05] by um Thursday or if we get back in time
[1:35:09] uh which I assume that we will and then
[1:35:11] you'll have it for Monday so when you're
[1:35:13] really not ready then we don't have you
[1:35:15] know cuz I think the last time we talked
[1:35:16] we said that we would been have so it's
[1:35:17] really not today ready for we don't have
[1:35:20] all of that I don't have control over
[1:35:22] what information comes into me I only
[1:35:24] have control over what you know what I
[1:35:27] can ask for so we are in the process of
[1:35:30] getting the legal description for the
[1:35:32] section block of lot mbers it's a
[1:35:34] process we're almost there uh We've
[1:35:38] explained what the ordinance will
[1:35:39] contain and it will be available to you
[1:35:41] as soon as it's ready Mr
[1:35:44] Mayor uh again this was also the point
[1:35:47] where contention of whether we give a
[1:35:49] quick claim deed or to a warranty deed
[1:35:52] the those certifications for Section
[1:35:55] block and lot number assigned by the
[1:35:57] county isn't that correct yes so waiting
[1:36:00] for that and even though it says Mr
[1:36:04] O'Brien has outlined it's to do the
[1:36:06] ordinance first if you don't have the
[1:36:08] agreed on price I would tell you not to
[1:36:11] do the ordinance first because that's
[1:36:13] our point of Leverage to actually sell
[1:36:18] it yes so that means we don't I know
[1:36:22] that so we won't be discussing those
[1:36:24] properties when we go into executive
[1:36:26] session should do discuss it whether or
[1:36:29] not actually forward Monday night so got
[1:36:33] coun
[1:36:36] okay so you suggesting we don't do the
[1:36:39] abandonment first is that what you
[1:36:41] suggest might still do it tonight but I
[1:36:43] would wait till you go to Executive
[1:36:46] session well agree well I have to tell
[1:36:49] you that I'm still you know in terms of
[1:36:51] doing the abandonment I just would
[1:36:52] really like to see more documentation I
[1:36:54] understand that you don't have control
[1:36:55] over it and so I'm not that's this is
[1:36:58] not about blaming you but simply making
[1:37:00] sure that the council has the
[1:37:01] information before us so you know we've
[1:37:03] talked about it a lot um and I just
[1:37:06] don't want us to come have to come back
[1:37:08] because we made a misstep because we
[1:37:09] didn't have the information so that's
[1:37:11] why I always just like try to make sure
[1:37:12] it's all here before we make these
[1:37:14] decisions as a
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[1:37:19] council you'll have it assum as it's
[1:37:21] ready all right so we may not do the
[1:37:23] abandonment until so we may have to have
[1:37:25] a meeting before that and if if we don't
[1:37:27] have it tonight then we can just meet
[1:37:29] before that and then or do it by
[1:37:31] unanimous consent on Monday if we don't
[1:37:34] have the information tonight in order to
[1:37:36] do it you can do it on
[1:37:40] Monday
[1:37:45] okay then the next the rest of the
[1:37:48] items uh items six seven and8 are all
[1:37:52] property sales and for that we would
[1:37:54] need to go into executive session so mov
[1:37:58] second all in favor I for the executive
[1:38:00] session members of the public will have
[1:38:02] to leave
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