[0:00] some of the joining communities have
[0:02] more restricted access to their
[0:05] facilities some charge fees uh the city
[0:09] has not done it and uh some of us were
[0:12] approaching IT staffing level more of an
[0:15] open mind uh it's a new facility it
[0:18] really looks very impressive uh the
[0:21] weather is also going to be slightly
[0:22] warmer than we probably like so I assume
[0:25] the utilization in the first days is
[0:28] going to
[0:30] uh T some of the limits to handle it and
[0:34] then we'll just see how it goes uh from
[0:38] that uh in terms of the actual hours and
[0:42] Staffing but some of the fees other
[0:45] access issues there still the prodct of
[0:47] the city council and uh not like for the
[0:51] Central Park pool but the uh rest of the
[0:55] pools in the city or some of the other
[0:57] uh facilities that we offer
[1:03] who's
[1:04] next yeah I was going to say yes it does
[1:07] look beautiful and I think that um
[1:09] really proud of this project I I would
[1:11] say um sustainability of of the project
[1:16] is going to be really key so I guess you
[1:19] know what would be ideal for me and I'm
[1:21] saying this without you know really any
[1:23] um information to support at this time
[1:25] to the m point we're going to there is
[1:26] going to be a
[1:28] level kind of seeing how things are
[1:30] going and then being responsive to what
[1:31] we see but um I you know my initial
[1:35] thought would be not to charge residents
[1:37] of the city but people who don't live
[1:39] here who are coming here to you know to
[1:43] will be there be some small fee there
[1:45] that's probably not and I know that
[1:46] happens in other municipalities um the
[1:49] only thought thing would be I know it
[1:51] cost the city uh something to enforce
[1:54] those fees and like all like so I'll
[1:55] just you know look at that cost benefit
[1:57] piece there but that's what I would
[2:01] be comfortable
[2:03] with okay mfield so um do
[2:08] we has the parks department come up with
[2:10] anything that they' even considering um
[2:12] what those fees might be and who would
[2:14] be charged um is one of my questions and
[2:17] the other part is there signage that you
[2:19] know rules of the pool essentially is
[2:22] that all in place for this weekend I
[2:26] hope so you don't know hav been up to
[2:30] look at they tell me the signages up
[2:35] uh and uh currently we don't charge
[2:39] anything Mr Farley's Point uh there is a
[2:43] cost in terms of collecting that and
[2:46] some of our neighboring communities are
[2:48] far more restrictive in terms of access
[2:51] to their
[2:53] facilities and so we we'll consider
[2:56] what's what's reasonable for us to do
[2:57] but I have to agree that um to charge
[3:00] residents I don't yeah people you know
[3:04] um because people are really looking
[3:05] forward to it and they're not looking
[3:06] forward to like being sto at the gate
[3:08] for a dollar whatever it's going to be
[3:10] yeah I was I actually also would support
[3:12] not charging residents I just wasn't
[3:14] sure if we were going to have a
[3:15] non-resident a non-resident fee but I
[3:18] like the idea of you know opening and
[3:20] see how things go um in terms of
[3:22] Staffing are we all set with the
[3:24] lifeguards and all that we will be by
[3:27] the time we open okay and then oh Mr Toro yes
[3:34] um so residents absolutely children free
[3:39] um no charge um how do they prove
[3:42] they're a resident folks don't have a
[3:44] license and maybe they don't have a um
[3:46] an ID where we looking for the for the
[3:49] Youth to provide a student ID um to get
[3:53] in because they might have one from
[3:55] school so what happens um Saturday the
[3:59] gates open
[4:02] well it's up to the C yeah we have
[4:05] generally used student IDs from the
[4:09] school district in past summers for
[4:11] access to Central Park Pool and the
[4:15] other facilities assume that that's
[4:17] going to continue okay City the past has
[4:20] had a
[4:22] recreation ID that was uh used for the
[4:27] tennis courts the golf course and other
[4:30] facilities that had uh shifted so that
[4:35] even though there's fee structures on
[4:36] the books for the ten courts those are
[4:39] not collected uh the golf course set up
[4:43] is where there is a fee structure that
[4:44] is uh 100% enforced that becomes a self-
[4:48] sustaining entity MH we used to get a a
[4:51] photo at the place in Central Park where
[4:54] the AL um we used to be able to get a
[4:57] resident photo there for for the golf
[4:59] course and other things that we were
[5:00] participating in city um so say um you
[5:03] know a young child shows up with their
[5:05] mom and their mom doesn't have anything
[5:07] this weekend can they bring the niag Mok
[5:09] Bill I just thinking I sometimes you
[5:11] bring that to um to the golf course to
[5:15] prove you're a resident you know a bill
[5:17] so I just you know want to make sure
[5:19] everyone that's entitled to get in there
[5:21] to swim this weekend and get in to swim
[5:24] so well but this weekend we're not
[5:26] asking anybody for anything right is
[5:28] that correct okay
[5:32] the having said that the Boys and Girls
[5:34] Club is going to use the same procedures
[5:36] that they used last year in Central Park
[5:39] where they still have
[5:41] to uh validate the number of people who
[5:45] are actually in the pool area because
[5:48] that dictates how many lifeguards we
[5:50] have to have on duty and so they have
[5:53] collected the student ID or some
[5:57] counting procedure as people come into
[5:59] the the facility and that will still be
[6:02] used just as it was uh in Prior years
[6:06] but we're not looking to restrict
[6:08] anybody in terms of their access other
[6:11] than there may be a quantity issue where
[6:14] uh we would limit people because the
[6:16] capacity has been exceeded to match with
[6:18] lifeguards that makes
[6:21] sense Mr Williams but I'd also like to
[6:23] comment so to miss uh D Toro's Point
[6:26] like of how do you manage that fee
[6:27] structure and the collection of it I
[6:29] don't know if I agree well I don't agree
[6:35] but doesn't agree either I love that
[6:41] quote my train thought with
[6:44] theur um uh excuse me so one with the feast structures um
[6:54] wow my
[6:56] fault best
[6:58] friend yeah no someone else has a
[7:00] question maybe it'll come back maybe
[7:02] it'll come back to you Mr M yeah the
[7:06] hours of operation currently what are
[7:08] the hours for the pools that we have
[7:10] currently in the contract I believe it's
[7:13] like 12:30 to 6:30
[7:17] 12:30 they do some swiming
[7:20] lessons in the morning before that so it
[7:24] wouldn't be it couldn't be open on a
[7:25] restricted
[7:27] basis Central are we talking the
[7:32] central I think he's
[7:35] ready oh sorry one second Mr Williams so
[7:38] 12:30 to 6:30 for the current pool that
[7:40] we have so we're now looking to have the
[7:43] same time slot for the Central Park Pool
[7:46] we're looking more of early
[7:48] morning no those are the public hours
[7:52] there's some swim lessons that they have
[7:56] scheduled before the opens the General
[7:58] Public and in terms of security um we're
[8:02] talking about um cameras and en personal
[8:05] security is that will be available
[8:11] yes okay um Mr Williams are you yep okay
[8:17] so say I wanted to also just have a
[8:19] reminder and correct me if I'm wrong Mr
[8:21] Mayor uh the emphasis with using a
[8:24] considerable amount of the or dollars to
[8:28] create a new resource was to help with
[8:30] the exploding maintenance fees to where
[8:33] it currently was in
[8:37] effect say that again where the tal Park
[8:39] Pool currently was it was just a
[8:42] difficult uh resource to manage just due
[8:44] to the the the Aging filtration system
[8:48] uh and among other issues with it being
[8:50] closely uh near the some of the animals
[8:53] that live around there so wanting to re
[8:56] uh move it should help with
[9:00] controlling some of those maintenance
[9:01] and and preventative maintenance costs
[9:03] in theory to some degree we basically
[9:07] had no filtration system on the original
[9:11] pool it was refilled every day it's our
[9:14] ability to
[9:15] generate uh very large quantities of
[9:18] high quality water at a very low
[9:21] price uh
[9:23] so some of that uh will be reduced but
[9:28] this pool
[9:29] by its nature where you're recirculating
[9:32] the water you do have filtration systems
[9:34] better controls there will be uh more of
[9:37] a maintenance issue in terms of people
[9:40] monitoring uh the systems
[9:44] and uh again there will be some upkeep
[9:47] on those systems to maintain the high
[9:49] quality of water and uh the overall
[9:52] character of the
[9:55] facility I think um one thing I just
[9:58] want to add just from going up there a
[10:00] few times this past week um remember
[10:03] that part of the project also had to do
[10:05] with the lighting and the roadway and
[10:08] parking access um it looks like there's
[10:11] about 36 additional parking spots I I
[10:14] was trying to count them as I was
[10:15] walking so I didn't get an exact number
[10:17] but um the lighting is going to really I
[10:21] just feel very significantly um increase
[10:24] some safety um at night time in that
[10:26] part of the that I mean this is just me
[10:29] and anecdotally saying but I mean it
[10:31] looks really great so I encourage folks
[10:33] to go up there uh and check that out but
[10:36] I just it's it's world class and mean
[10:39] there's no doubt when you see it and so
[10:41] I just really am hoping that whatever we
[10:44] can do security wise um we'll you know
[10:48] help keep the the buildings the bath
[10:50] house is just fabulous looking um I
[10:53] won't be here tomorrow I mean everyone
[10:55] knows that there is a it's tomorrow
[10:57] morning I believe is the uh ribbon f
[11:00] um so I hope that folks can get up there
[11:02] uh for that as well so Mr Williams so
[11:06] I'd say two points one Mr Mayor if you
[11:08] wouldn't mind speaking I've heard myself
[11:10] I imagine it's the same for other
[11:11] council members people have walked up
[11:13] definitely uh laed at the new facility
[11:16] it's going to be there and like that's
[11:17] only parking there so I know this is the
[11:20] first phase of the reconfiguration of
[11:22] the park but then uh second I wanted to
[11:25] just point out I know there have been
[11:27] ongoing conversations now about security
[11:29] I think part of it is also challenging
[11:32] the community there are often times
[11:34] comments of this is why we can't have
[11:35] nice things and I want to ensure that
[11:37] there's also an equal responsibility
[11:39] placed on our community residents of we
[11:41] can continue to make these Investments
[11:43] not only in our Renovations of
[11:45] properties throughout the building but
[11:47] also making sure that the city is and
[11:49] remains economically viable but if we
[11:51] are are chasing ourselves with having
[11:54] additional costs such as vandalism uh
[11:58] that makes it difficult to continue
[11:59] these types of efforts so I know that
[12:01] there are preventive ways you go about
[12:03] that IE surveillance cameras and also
[12:05] with maybe increased police uh um uh
[12:09] patrols throughout the area but but I
[12:11] want to ensure to Mr um Farley's Point
[12:15] let's let's see how it is and then
[12:17] respond rather than putting in place
[12:19] some safeguards that might not
[12:20] necessarily be
[12:22] needed yeah I think I think that's what
[12:24] the mayor was um indicating in his
[12:26] opening remarks that that would be what
[12:28] we could trying to do so I appreciate Mr
[12:31] Carly and Mr Williams following up on
[12:33] that Mr Toro um and I'd like to up to
[12:37] you of course your committee bring it
[12:39] back in two weeks and think about how
[12:40] we're you know my biggest concern is is Mom or Dad can't bring
[12:46] me I'm Grandma's from out of town and
[12:49] now she you know she so it's up to the
[12:52] council you know to work on to decide on
[12:56] how we're going to move forward with a
[12:58] fee structure and and things like that
[13:01] actually the fee structure part of it
[13:02] should really come out of the its
[13:03] administrative function so they it's
[13:06] like with the golf course they we don't
[13:07] create the fees they come to us they
[13:09] create the fees and then we say you know
[13:12] yes or no so really it would be the
[13:14] parks department we don't really have
[13:16] the capacity to do that it would really
[13:19] need to be the folks who work here on on
[13:21] a you know daily basis and you know
[13:23] obviously we can provide suggestions but
[13:25] creating the fees and all of that is
[13:27] something that with this Administration
[13:29] way to
[13:30] function and how it's done with all the
[13:32] other parts with the life cards with all
[13:34] of that great other question well the
[13:38] end result is solely the proga of the
[13:39] city council so you know one example for
[13:43] this swimming pool is it is now designed
[13:46] for competitive swimming events
[13:50] yeah those type of things may increase
[13:54] our staffing costs or monitoring it so
[13:57] do you want to have those free for City
[14:01] students uh would there be a fee for any
[14:05] group that's coming in doing a
[14:06] competitive swimming event uh do we only
[14:11] charge people outside of the city so
[14:15] there
[14:16] are things there again in terms of the
[14:19] policy decision it's only the
[14:21] prerogative of the council the policy
[14:23] yes but like the fees I don't know how
[14:24] we would you know or even how to how to
[14:27] like do like with the boys and girls
[14:28] club they came up with the process of
[14:30] how people um show ID and and how to do
[14:34] um and get in so because we hired them
[14:36] to uh to do that
[14:38] so I would think I don't know there's um
[14:41] I know there's not a Parks director
[14:42] right now but I'm assuming there's other
[14:44] staff that would still be able to um you
[14:47] know provide us with some gu guidance on
[14:52] where we start with this I I think
[14:54] that's a good suggestion um especially
[14:56] when we start talking about tournaments
[14:58] um and what will happen because again
[15:00] it's definitely set up for
[15:02] that as well so that would be
[15:05] outstanding if we if we could have 10es
[15:08] i' go wouldn't be a be in
[15:10] one so can we ask that um we get a
[15:14] recommendation sure um around some of
[15:16] these policies just like tennis um
[15:20] although it's not being enforced but it
[15:22] will
[15:23] be I think you all know how I feel about
[15:25] the tennis uh fees so um yeah I think
[15:28] that and and the same with the golf I
[15:30] mean we do get that presented to us um
[15:33] for discussion and and approval so um is
[15:36] that something that we can do okay thank
[15:40] you um Mr Farley just what a good
[15:43] problem to have that we have this
[15:45] beautiful asset in the middle of our
[15:47] city that's going to bring people um to
[15:50] see how amazing our city is so I just
[15:52] it's good it's a good problem to have I
[15:54] look forward to working with the councel
[15:56] to help figure it out good stuff I agree
[15:59] thank you is there any other business to
[16:01] come for health and
[16:03] Recreation okay I look for a motion to
[16:06] adjourn so move um
[16:10] second second okay all in favor I I
[16:14] thank you thank you I'd like to call the
[16:16] order City development and planning we
[16:18] have 14 items on the agenda the first
[16:21] item is to issue the issuance of re
[16:24] revocable permit number
[16:26] 685 to social hospitality group Mr
[16:34] wall AP I left my packet on my desk so
[16:37] I'm just going to go through from memory
[16:39] on all these so the 685 social on state
[16:43] that was a permit that was brought to
[16:44] you prev the insurance and the property
[16:46] owner so we were working with the
[16:49] property owner on making sure that all
[16:51] what's that you no I wor about just um
[16:55] and so now the applicant is the owner
[16:57] and the names are the simp more uh as
[16:59] what's going to be on the insurance
[17:01] which was the issue so we should be okay
[17:03] with the issuance of this part
[17:06] now there any
[17:08] questions move second all in favor I
[17:13] thank you item number two the award and
[17:15] bid contract for the Simons Lake wall
[17:18] restoration yep um this was a project
[17:21] that is uh an ARA funded project as well
[17:24] as a Sam Grant funded project um it is
[17:27] for the restoration of the historic wall
[17:29] at simons's Park um the project was
[17:32] scoped uniquely where the city will be
[17:34] purchasing and providing materials and
[17:36] the contract is essentially for labor
[17:39] only um so the idea is this uh the
[17:42] company Jaan construction out of New
[17:44] York um City they will be coming up and
[17:47] Performing essentially masonry only work
[17:49] to repoint um modify the wall repair the
[17:52] wall and install pre-cast concrete caps
[17:55] the city will purchase the preast
[17:58] concrete caps and then the needed mortar
[18:01] and uh grout for the for the project we
[18:04] did meet with them on site uh we did
[18:06] call five references because we weren't
[18:08] familiar with them and um they seemed
[18:12] like they they had their act together
[18:13] they have worked for other state
[18:15] agencies um they are working in almany
[18:17] right now um it's a small family-owned
[18:20] company uh they are an MBE company and
[18:23] they're looking forward to doing work in
[18:24] the city uh we actually took them into a
[18:27] couple areas to look at other project in
[18:29] the city because to have uh Masons is
[18:32] something that is a skill that we we're
[18:34] looking for for this kind of stuff so
[18:36] we're comfortable awarding it uh the
[18:38] price was competitive
[18:40] and we'll see and this money is already
[18:43] in the ARA line for this
[18:47] project Mr can you just tell us a little
[18:49] bit about the timeline for this work
[18:51] well the timeline they are ready to go
[18:53] because they're labor only so what we're
[18:55] doing right now is I'm working with
[18:56] Sarah and purchasing on the cat
[18:59] what we were concerned about was the
[19:01] costs we didn't want to order 420 caps
[19:05] and then this number come in out of
[19:07] budget and then we have caps and no
[19:09] labor so uh we wanted to try to get it
[19:12] so we have this number we already had
[19:14] the quotes from a local company that
[19:16] specializes in pre-cast and we don't
[19:18] need 420 caps tomorrow we just need them
[19:21] to start making the Caps so Sarah's
[19:23] already contacted their person uh
[19:26] earlier last later last week about
[19:29] getting into the caps and then the other
[19:31] materials are common shell materials so
[19:33] right now we're just waiting on the
[19:35] Caps well I I don't have a schedule
[19:37] we're hoping fall I don't think this is
[19:38] a project you want to do in the dead of
[19:40] the summer because you know you're
[19:42] exposed you're out and uh I don't I
[19:44] don't think you know you want to do
[19:45] something more 100 but if we can get
[19:47] some of the caps on we're going to store
[19:48] the Caps uh right next to C and's yard
[19:51] there uh in stams and then just start
[19:53] picking away at and working forward they
[19:56] anticipate once they start it's going to
[19:58] be around probably I think a sixe
[19:59] project for okay so
[20:03] thank any other
[20:05] questions a motion so second all in
[20:10] favor item number three award and bid award bid and contract for the
[20:15] northberry street Plum station exterior
[20:18] so this is another uh harpa funed
[20:20] project so as you're aware we have a new
[20:22] northberry pump station uh that has put
[20:25] the existing or the previous North fairy
[20:27] Pump Station uh as a a abandoned city
[20:30] facility the building is historically
[20:32] significant and there was money approved
[20:33] to make sure that it does not get into a
[20:35] state of disrepair um the building is
[20:39] okay presently but it's not great so
[20:41] what the funding for this building is
[20:43] essentially seal the envelope we're
[20:44] going to be doing the windows similar
[20:46] that we did at City Hall removing the
[20:48] windows restoring the windows replacing
[20:50] any Rock uh reglazing the glass putting
[20:52] the back we're going to be replacing the
[20:54] roof um the reason for the roof is that
[20:56] the roof right now has over a dozen
[20:58] penetrations for various Vents and
[21:02] systems to come through because it was a
[21:03] pump house we have the vent we're going
[21:05] to remove all of those vents fill in
[21:08] where we can with concrete steel and
[21:10] masonry and then do one flat roof with
[21:13] no penetrations so that will really seal
[21:15] the roof off a lot better to go to the
[21:17] parit we're going to remove all of the
[21:19] stucko from the building cuz if you look
[21:21] at the building the building is a series
[21:22] of Patchwork cuz stuckle was put on in
[21:25] various years so we're going to remove
[21:27] all of the stuckle down to the masonry
[21:29] block and then redo the stucco paint the
[21:32] building so it'll look from the outside
[21:34] like a preserved building the inside is
[21:37] a different story but from the outside
[21:38] it'll be weather tight and preserved and
[21:41] I know that the Stockade Association is
[21:42] working on lining up funding to try to
[21:45] address the interior of building but
[21:47] this money is for the exterior of the
[21:49] building have we already done some work
[21:51] on this and started this process any
[21:53] work at all in the ex area no not not to
[21:56] mind out as Paul might have years ago
[21:58] but to mind know it's just it's there
[22:00] it's just a building and once again is
[22:02] one of the tricky situations that we're
[22:04] trying to work with Stockade is the
[22:06] reason that we built a new building or
[22:08] one of the many reasons was is that that
[22:10] building was determined to not be um
[22:13] cost effective to flood proof because it
[22:15] is in the flood plane so we built a new
[22:18] building that is flood resilient um so
[22:21] this is fine and I know that we haven't
[22:23] had any issues there but making
[22:24] significant investments into the
[22:26] building will be a complex subject going
[22:28] forward because that is why we abandoned
[22:30] the
[22:31] building okay any any questions all
[22:35] right on a motion so second all in favor
[22:39] I thank you and uh the fourth item is
[22:44] city council to assume role of Seeker
[22:46] lead Agency for the mobile haror I have
[22:49] a quick I'll try to make a brief just
[22:50] presentation to just show you where we
[22:52] are with this because it's part of the
[22:53] process okay sure
[23:13] okay so I don't know how many of you are
[23:16] aware of this project I'm sure you're
[23:18] all aware of in some part of me but it
[23:19] is a rather older project um that was
[23:22] done preco and it is something that we
[23:26] have been pushing along slow and
[23:27] steadily sense then due to all the
[23:30] development really at Mohawk Harbor so
[23:32] um just to go through I I'll be quicker
[23:35] than this but we're going to I'm
[23:37] presenting it here I'm hoping to catch
[23:38] some publicity from possibly the the
[23:40] paper just to get it out there what
[23:42] we're doing we're going to have a public
[23:43] meeting next week at the Landing which
[23:45] is an official public meeting uh and
[23:48] then hopefully from there you know we'll
[23:50] get some input and then we're just going
[23:51] to move forward with the process of the
[23:54] project so the overview is um the city
[23:57] receiv CFA br in 2019 for the creation
[24:00] of a dot gameway in Plaza with path so
[24:04] it says um the idea was to create an
[24:06] access point to the river I don't know
[24:08] if many people realize it but even
[24:10] though we are a river front Community we
[24:12] do not have any docks or points of
[24:14] access to the river other than the parks
[24:16] so it's kind of unique when you go to
[24:18] other uh Riverside communities they
[24:20] usually have docks and we do not um
[24:22] there was a talk um several years ago um
[24:25] about putting a dock in Riverside Park
[24:27] but uh we ended up being controversial
[24:30] people didn't want the idea of a dock
[24:32] down there so this is a dock with an
[24:34] Upland Plaza and I will get into the
[24:35] location a little bit right here you'll
[24:37] see the location is we have uh an arena
[24:41] we have the future hotel which improved
[24:43] um parking lot would be here parking lot
[24:45] Arena and then that is our Plaza and
[24:47] those are our docks and that is the RPI
[24:49] research facility so as I'll get into in
[24:52] a little bit there's a reason for all
[24:53] the delay um the project 2016 we put in
[24:57] some access
[24:59] 2020 we got the grants with this concy
[25:02] match of
[25:03] 15% um that's typical on these kind of
[25:06] projects you know
[25:07] 855s uh City released to design an RFP
[25:10] in 2021 after Co working with MJ and
[25:13] what's called waterfront Solutions so MJ
[25:16] is essentially handling all the Civil
[25:17] work and then Waterfront Solutions is
[25:19] handling the dot work they're a DOT
[25:21] company they also did the harbor for G
[25:25] um did a bath metric survey that is a
[25:27] survey of the river read uh in 2022 the
[25:30] project was paused and that was we we
[25:33] rushed we got to a point and then it was
[25:35] Aquatic Center I was like okay where's
[25:37] the Aquatic Center going to go and it
[25:38] was never mind not an aquatic center
[25:40] arena it's like okay where's the arena
[25:42] going to go so we actually had a spot uh
[25:46] picked out and in South there I can show
[25:48] you where we actually were going to put
[25:50] the the docks here mhm um and we had a
[25:54] plan laid out and then the arena came
[25:56] forward and it was weight and so we
[25:58] didn't want to move it anymore so we
[26:00] waited until planning approval and
[26:02] everything was set with the arena and
[26:05] then we found out nice little spot in
[26:07] the middle the Nic thing about this
[26:09] location is that we are by a turnaround
[26:12] we're by parking the glassi group is
[26:14] said that that would be public parking
[26:16] they will allow people during the day to
[26:18] park there uh you know not event
[26:20] notwithstanding but you know there
[26:21] probably won't be event 24/7 and we are
[26:24] directly adjacent to the Alo Heritage
[26:26] Trail so this will both be a Overlook on
[26:29] the trail and the landing and we'll have
[26:31] parking and a drop off um you know be
[26:34] honest this has to be publicly
[26:36] accessible and probably get into that
[26:38] but people who know the area I do not
[26:40] see this going to be a full access dock
[26:44] for recreational purposes the reason
[26:46] being is of the gang way the gang way is
[26:48] going to be quite long to get down from
[26:50] the shore to the water and across the
[26:53] street by the lighthouse if you're
[26:54] familiar with the area it's the easiest
[26:56] launch in the area there's nothing
[26:59] easier than that you park you launch
[27:01] it's 10 ft you don't go down the gameway
[27:03] so I think that for people wanting to
[27:05] see the river and be involved and be by
[27:06] the water and fishing and all that but I
[27:08] really don't think that people will
[27:10] kayak and Hike their kayaks down and
[27:12] things like that unless it's for the
[27:14] novelty of it because it is it is a
[27:16] slope um so the project the one stage
[27:19] like we said is the plaza which we're
[27:21] calling the plaza The Landing it's small
[27:23] 5,000 ft it will have lights it will
[27:25] have signs benches we are looking at
[27:28] very attractive welcom is concy because
[27:30] you have to understand that this is
[27:32] going to be now a new entrance way for
[27:35] the city this is going to be a Gateway
[27:37] we are looking at you know people who
[27:39] are called Loopers who come from all
[27:40] around the country this is going to be
[27:42] allowing them to stop and go to
[27:44] connected so we really want to make sure
[27:45] that we have a nice anchored site here
[27:48] that shows you where they are also we
[27:50] are talking with a Riverfront Cruise
[27:52] company that does small Riverfront
[27:54] cruises of 40 people on boats you know
[27:56] we're limited by the locks so they would
[27:58] come in so this this is something that's
[28:00] important we're trying to make sure that
[28:02] we're working and we're also
[28:03] incorporating this into our dri wayf
[28:05] finding because that also is going to
[28:07] connect to downtown so there's a lot of
[28:09] irons in the fire with this this will
[28:10] have water this will have sanitary we
[28:12] are not getting into fuel fueling is a
[28:15] whole other animal we're going to allow
[28:16] the yacht club in places like that to
[28:18] handle fueling uh parking look say we be
[28:20] at the um there's a better idea you see
[28:23] the passenger drop off the trail and
[28:26] then the U the area itself we are going
[28:28] to have electricity you're going to need
[28:30] a large Transformer we'll try to
[28:32] landscape that make it as pretty as
[28:34] possible these are some of the things
[28:35] that we were looking at you know just to
[28:37] say ventes that we are actually moving
[28:39] away from the arch but they took a
[28:41] picture of it we are moving away from
[28:42] the arch style um one of the things to
[28:44] point out is uh this one right here uh
[28:48] I've been to marinas before uh my family
[28:52] and that is something that we are going
[28:54] to have to talk about and discuss going
[28:56] forward is what is Public Access what is
[28:59] not Public Access I'm proposing that the
[29:02] docks are publicly available from a time
[29:05] to a time and that it is posted and that
[29:09] after a certain time it could be sundown
[29:12] most likely uh the gate is locked and if
[29:15] you have a boat there you're have a code
[29:18] because one of the things that you're
[29:19] going to see is if you actually look at
[29:21] the river sometimes you will see million
[29:24] doll boats multi-million dollar boats
[29:26] and we want to make it safe environment
[29:28] that somebody feels and the voting
[29:30] Community is a very tight Community
[29:32] especially with internet social media
[29:34] forums uh we really are looking for it's
[29:37] open it's signed it's a public amenity
[29:39] and the sunlight come on down and then
[29:41] at night time you know what we're going
[29:43] to close it off we don't want people you
[29:45] know down on the docks it is a little
[29:47] tough to see we are going to have
[29:48] cameras in security we are working at
[29:50] getting a dock management company but I
[29:52] just don't want you to think that is
[29:54] something that we're looking at is uh uh
[29:56] and it's very common at commercial
[29:58] marinas with this type of public um so
[30:02] the project just it's two projects it's
[30:04] two contracts that's what we're saying
[30:05] to Dock and it's a plaza so they're
[30:08] awarded differently they'll have to be
[30:09] progressed differently so we've already
[30:12] talked with the permitting we've got a
[30:14] lot of the permitting done this is the
[30:16] secret portion we're now going to reach
[30:17] out to all the involved agencies and
[30:19] talk to them about making sure that
[30:20] they're okay with it we have uh stamp
[30:23] plans uh right now we're just going
[30:25] through all of the finals on it for the
[30:27] doc company
[30:28] um and then we'll be done with seeker
[30:31] and then hopefully we issue a
[30:32] declaration later this year and then
[30:34] we're out to bid like it says in August
[30:37] we look in August we're going to have a
[30:38] lot of manufacturing time because these
[30:40] are custle very large docs uh and then
[30:43] as it shows doc delivery and do
[30:44] construction of next year we are one of
[30:48] the things just to also point out that
[30:50] we are struggling right now with
[30:52] schedule and when docks go in and when
[30:54] they wouldn't go in we are looking at if
[30:56] we can get docks in in this June July
[31:00] time frame it might make it worth it to
[31:02] put them in next year the arena will be
[31:04] substantially complete you're going to
[31:06] be working inside but we do not want to
[31:08] put docks in towards the end of the
[31:10] season because it's a lot of work to put
[31:12] them in you're using them for 3 weeks
[31:15] then we close so the timing of it is
[31:17] fluid of when we're really going to get
[31:18] it in uh the plaza similarly Plaza a lot
[31:22] of this is going to be uh driven by the
[31:24] arena which is adjacent CU we don't want
[31:26] to build a plaza and have a construction
[31:28] site around it we like to do and the
[31:29] hotel hasn't even started yet so we have
[31:33] bi-weekly coordination meetings with
[31:35] gesi and the hotel and these are the
[31:37] things that we're tracking so right now
[31:39] say it's a similar path but this doesn't
[31:41] have as long as the lead time is
[31:42] constructing of a dock uh and I guess in
[31:46] conclusion I guess is just want to get
[31:48] out there that we're going to have a
[31:49] public meeting Wednesday the 26 4:30 at
[31:52] the Landing Hotel we chose the Landing
[31:54] Hotel because we were looking for a
[31:55] place on site somewhere we're trying to
[31:58] get people involved the problem with a
[32:00] project like this is It's essentially
[32:01] for transient people um you know the
[32:04] people that will be using the facility
[32:05] the most are not residents uh residents
[32:08] will use it for fishing and things like
[32:10] that but we do want to hear from people
[32:12] so we're looking at having a public
[32:13] meeting uh 4:30 uh at the landing and
[32:17] then um like I said I think it's a great
[32:20] project it's has a lot of fingers in
[32:22] everything else um and I'm looking
[32:24] forward to getting people's comments on
[32:27] uh I the other thing that is it is
[32:30] expandable um 360 ft is what we can
[32:33] afford today if we find that the amenity
[32:37] is used and utilized we'll have to look
[32:40] at expanding uh the do you can expand it
[32:43] uh to the north of the
[32:45] river so
[32:51] questions I think it's a terrific
[32:52] project I mean I think it's something
[32:54] that we've been waiting for you know in
[32:56] terms of the initial design of the
[32:58] entire Mohawk Harbor and um I'm excited
[33:01] I'm very excited about it so looking
[33:03] forward to seeing its completion and
[33:04] there might be people in the apartments
[33:07] down there that might want some of the
[33:08] do space that are residents in other
[33:11] words yep and so we were going to have
[33:13] the meeting in the harbor house but we
[33:15] thought if we had it there it would be
[33:16] too convenient and we would overwhelm
[33:17] their community room so um our our
[33:20] partner our friends at gie and Metroplex
[33:23] we arranging the the uh the hotel which
[33:25] has a larger space for us to be able to
[33:27] use and this is really going to be a
[33:29] partnership project unique to what we've
[33:31] ever done because the the city will be
[33:33] the owner of the Docks but we already
[33:36] have a memorandum of understanding with
[33:38] the with the gesi group to help you know
[33:40] operate the docks we're going to have to
[33:42] store the docks these docks canot be out
[33:44] in the winter time they'll be floated
[33:45] and stored uh within the harbor we're
[33:48] believing um you know we have uh the Dr
[33:51] that we're working on like I said
[33:52] Danielle's here for you know show the
[33:54] support of Metroplex uh with these
[33:57] projects and and uh I we really think
[33:59] that it could be a great way to just
[34:01] promote the city to the Waterfront
[34:03] Community because we're just very
[34:05] uniquely we're uniquely positioned on
[34:07] both the river and the bike path and
[34:09] this is the river and the bike path
[34:11] together so that's
[34:14] great s are you anticipating any
[34:17] concerns from the public um I'm not I I
[34:21] really don't
[34:22] have because the way everything came
[34:24] together uh the original plan like I
[34:26] showed you when we were little more the
[34:28] parking was a little farther away the
[34:30] path was a little longer things were a
[34:32] little bit but with the the new spot
[34:34] where we are with the drop off and the
[34:36] parking and the way it kind of
[34:37] integrates into the site I I I really
[34:40] think it's a it's a wi I really like it
[34:43] um I don't see what people would I
[34:45] haven't figured out what people would
[34:46] push back on yet other than they don't
[34:48] want big boats but you know they're not too noisy and they're in the
[34:52] river so I and this is a commercial area
[34:55] there's not you know that's not a
[34:56] condominium it's not an apartment
[34:58] building it's a hotel um so I I think I
[35:02] think it will be
[35:05] positive well thank you any answer my
[35:08] question was not own it you said to so
[35:10] this is just for right now for secret
[35:12] purposes you know for sending out the
[35:13] letters and all that we'd like the the
[35:15] city to declare a lead Agency on this
[35:17] project and then we're going to move
[35:18] forward with our uh determination and
[35:21] reaching out to all the interested
[35:23] parties so I just wanted to kind of loop
[35:27] you guys into
[35:28] information before thank you for that
[35:30] any
[35:32] questions a motion so move second all
[35:35] those in favor thank you
[35:38] Mr all right item number five VAP and
[35:41] smoke shop uh zoning ordinance
[35:45] Miss okay it's okay uh Miss president
[35:49] I'll take I'll take this um in your
[35:52] package this past week you've got a
[35:54] revised uh uh uh ordinance um the
[36:00] comments came back Pur sooning to the uh
[36:02] General Municipal law from the county uh
[36:05] Planning Commission with their comments
[36:08] and uh there were uh uh which are
[36:13] highlighted in in the package I gave you
[36:15] in red um and that
[36:20] uh they just had a couple of questions
[36:23] really minor minor revisions to the
[36:26] overall text of the uh of the proposed
[36:30] ordinance
[36:35] um the uh minor edits and comments of
[36:38] the pros ordinance were attached the
[36:41] Reds the Reds uh were the items that
[36:43] were deleted the yellow items are the
[36:46] ones that were the suggested language um
[36:48] they had a couple of questions in the
[36:50] definition section um what was added
[36:53] what was included in there is some uh
[36:55] medical marijuana and another Mar want a
[36:58] uh a definition they said it's not not
[37:02] in the rest of the the code the reason
[37:04] those were put in there in case you ever
[37:07] want to build off of this particular
[37:09] section of the code regarding cannabis
[37:13] operations so those definitions are
[37:15] already in there and that's how come
[37:16] it's not referenced in there but in case
[37:18] you ever want to build off of it
[37:20] definitions are already included and
[37:22] then in the last part of this the last
[37:25] page uh dealing with the uh ammonization
[37:28] um uh oversight on my part that language
[37:32] came from our City Zoning code dealing
[37:34] with adult establishments um that that
[37:38] reference wasn't deleted it should have
[37:40] been was deleted um regarding the issue
[37:43] of amortization I know there was some
[37:45] discussion on this on this the last time
[37:48] and what it means is that if you adopt
[37:51] this ordinance you the the vape shops
[37:55] that are in those areas that you've
[37:56] declared them not to be legal um would
[38:00] have one year to wrap up their business
[38:03] now if they wish to extend past that one
[38:07] year then they would have to go to the
[38:09] zoning board of appeals to prevent uh
[38:12] financial information as to why this
[38:14] would be a hardship and they they can't
[38:17] abide by that onee uh deadline so
[38:20] there's an appeal process through the
[38:22] zoning board of appeals that language is from as I indicated from our zoning
[38:27] code dealing with adult businesses so
[38:29] that same type of appeal process is
[38:33] already in our code and it's just placed
[38:34] into this uh section regarding Vapes
[38:37] shops smoke shops Etc in the alternative
[38:40] if you just wanted to not get into that
[38:45] and and just have these establishments
[38:47] stay past that one year then they'
[38:49] become a legal non-conforming use what
[38:51] does that mean they can stay as long as
[38:53] they're continuing an operation as a
[38:56] vape shop but if if they vacated it then
[38:59] whoever came in would not it's not zoned
[39:02] for that particular
[39:05] use so if you want you know it can be
[39:08] the language there can be changed in
[39:10] which it will become a legal
[39:11] non-conforming use for after one year um
[39:16] or on the alternative you know keep that
[39:18] language
[39:19] regarding mization in there uh for for
[39:24] uh for it so it's really up you but it's your option I know there was
[39:29] concern discussion last time so I just
[39:31] want to flex that a little a little
[39:35] bit so I I I do have a concern about you
[39:39] know after a year saying you have to
[39:41] prove that you're financially that you
[39:43] need to stay here so um I essentially
[39:45] think that's that's that's an
[39:47] opportunity for us to put people on the
[39:48] business where they currently are if
[39:50] they're there legally so um I I have
[39:53] concern about that and I think that I'm
[39:55] just to have them stay with the um then allowing them to be there and
[40:00] not have to come before the zoning board
[40:03] every year is is the way that I would
[40:05] prer that we approach this particular um
[40:09] uh situation with these establishments
[40:11] but obviously input from the other
[40:13] council
[40:17] members I mean the language we could use
[40:20] I mean if we wanted if you wanted to go
[40:22] down that route and delete that
[40:23] particular portion it would be that all
[40:25] such facilities or establishment
[40:28] lawfully actually operating open to the
[40:30] public on the date of the adoption of
[40:32] this particular order shall be permitted
[40:34] to continue as a legal non-conforming
[40:36] use and all others will be declared
[40:38] unlawful prohibited so and our Zone law
[40:42] deals with nonperforming uses and what
[40:44] if they're discontinued
[40:47] it it would if there's a discontinuance
[40:50] if it's not continuous operating then it
[40:52] would revert to it would be a
[40:54] non-conforming use the new outfit
[40:58] Mr Williams So to that point is the
[41:00] non-conforming use extended to the
[41:02] business or to the business owner youan
[41:04] if the business no it's the business a
[41:06] jobs or meant to to like a singular
[41:09] business it's the type of business
[41:11] that's gone in
[41:12] there it's it's the type of business and and in the definition the definition
[41:19] section covers all that so I I know it's
[41:25] it would be the type of business okay
[41:28] thank
[41:31] you so suggestion is to keep the current
[41:34] language that we have we're not putting
[41:36] them out to business it's just they will
[41:37] have to move up the year into so approve
[41:40] the approved area that is zoned for this
[41:43] so I think there is opportunity for them
[41:44] to kind of like work until they are
[41:47] ready to move into the approv area
[41:50] and that is own for for V and smoke
[41:55] shops so I I think what comes into play
[41:58] here is how many vape shops are there
[42:01] how much room is there in these um in
[42:04] these approved areas because we have a
[42:07] there's a distance right they they have
[42:09] to stay apart so if we're limiting the
[42:12] area and within that area we're limiting
[42:15] the proximity that could impact
[42:17] businesses if there's enough businesses
[42:19] like and then we run out of space what
[42:21] happens to those individuals so those
[42:24] you know are are also part of my
[42:25] concerns because if we do that and
[42:27] essentially somebody would have may have
[42:29] to go at business
[42:31] so well they're allow to for a year
[42:36] extension they would have to they would
[42:39] be allowed to operate from one year from
[42:41] the from the when you adopt this
[42:43] ordinance say July 15th or whatever one
[42:48] year they can continue after that one
[42:50] year if they wish to remain in business
[42:54] um a form would need to be developed for
[42:56] the go before the zoning board of
[42:58] appeals for them to demonstrate
[43:00] financial hardship as as to why they
[43:03] should be allowed to operate for a
[43:05] period of time after the end of the
[43:08] after the after that uh oneyear period
[43:11] in their current position in their
[43:13] current
[43:18] position well last count there were 39
[43:21] smoke shops um in the city plus we know
[43:25] that more have developed and popped up
[43:28] and um don't have proper um you know AR
[43:32] aren't properly documented on the books
[43:35] to even operate so I noticed one the
[43:37] other day with with the windows were all
[43:39] sealed up and it's got a big sign in in
[43:41] the window 8m but it's the dragons or
[43:44] it's a smoke shop but anyway um so I I'm
[43:48] in in in agreeance with to leaving it
[43:50] that you know they'd have to come before
[43:52] the board of appeals to uh keep their
[43:55] position uh if they can prove it's
[43:57] hardship but other than that as far as
[43:59] um we we don't need six in one block um
[44:02] so I I do like you know how things are
[44:04] going to be um stated in the moratorium
[44:07] I'm I'm sorry I'm off for small business
[44:09] I'm a small business but um you know we
[44:12] have we have a lot of Youth out there um
[44:14] that are walking by these smoke shops
[44:16] and and I'm just not in favor of them um
[44:19] there's more than enough places that
[44:20] they'll be able to establish their
[44:23] business I don't know if there's nor
[44:25] than enough places I don't know have if
[44:26] we've done what the what if we moved all
[44:28] 39 to this to what's to what's would be
[44:32] available um to what we're zoning it for
[44:34] I don't know that there's enough place
[44:36] so I I do have that concern about
[44:38] someone not being able to I
[44:40] don't not being able to um to continue
[44:43] with their business whether it's a
[44:45] business that I approve her or not
[44:46] that's not really why I'm here it's it's
[44:48] if it's a legal business and they're you
[44:50] know it's something that they can
[44:51] legally do but I don't uh I I don't do
[44:55] that me
[44:57] I think that we should just go with leg
[44:58] and non-conforming that's that's how I
[45:00] see
[45:07] this Mr the last summer we discussed
[45:10] this we were talking about the 40% um
[45:13] allow for it
[45:17] yeah yes there was no comment from the the County planning on that amount
[45:22] and uh the
[45:23] 40% the 40% is still in right um because
[45:29] they have not met yet they that the city
[45:31] plan that City Planning they were not
[45:33] able to take that take that
[45:37] off
[45:41] [Music]
[45:43] so and um I think Mr Mr Brian said if
[45:47] they because they didn't have anything
[45:49] official and I asked for something
[45:50] official they didn't have anything so
[45:52] they won take it up until the next
[45:53] meeting and if they do then it's
[45:54] certainly something that we could amend
[45:56] they came up with a
[45:58] specific um percentage and a reason why
[46:01] they came up with that specific
[46:02] percentage I mean if they could come up
[46:04] with a percentage they could bring it
[46:06] before you as a as as a transmittal and
[46:09] saying that the their number is whatever
[46:12] and then you would have the opportunity
[46:14] to amend the ordinance if you so desire
[46:17] at that
[46:19] point yes I I think president cter field
[46:22] and I even we agreed on the fact that
[46:24] you know whatever they want to put in
[46:26] their shop or or you know the 40% was
[46:29] you know we didn't have an issue with them you know keeping that at 40%
[46:35] um you know they have a shop they can
[46:38] sell everything legally in there
[46:39] whatever they want and whoever's going
[46:41] into the shop is going in there for a
[46:43] specific reason anyway um for products
[46:46] and so I don't think there was an issue
[46:49] with the percentage of of the space
[46:51] inside the building what they could
[46:55] sell yes
[46:57] so they were suggesting the members from
[47:01] the zoning
[47:02] board Planning Commission
[47:05] 25% is that no they never gave a number
[47:09] the other localities have gone down to
[47:12] 20 20 25% that was just as a as a
[47:15] reference point but I don't think we did
[47:18] not get a hard number from the uh City
[47:21] Planning Commission Co So currently it's
[47:23] 40 it's 40% in the draft okay other
[47:27] display area
[47:40] yes Mr Williams so I think I'm just
[47:43] being transparent with my thoughts uh as
[47:45] everyone else has been uh I I I find
[47:48] myself citing more with Miss Doro and I
[47:50] understand that there are going to be
[47:51] intend consequences of like our actions
[47:53] where 39 is a rather large number um I
[47:57] think my only hesitation with the
[47:59] non-conformances and then correct me if
[48:01] I'm wrong it would only apply to
[48:03] individuals that were in that quote
[48:04] unquote good standing so if you had
[48:06] individuals that weren't uh putting in
[48:08] place like the proper marketing for
[48:09] square footage like I would no it it
[48:12] would be anybody could put in put in
[48:14] request to the zoning board of appeals
[48:16] because it's looking at dollars and
[48:17] cents proof as to whether or not they're
[48:23] uh you know they put they put in a
[48:25] substantial Financial
[48:27] expenditure related to the nonconformity
[48:30] and that that the the closing down would would have would have a financial
[48:36] impact upon them so it's a continuation
[48:39] you could essentially have businesses
[48:40] continuing on without making any
[48:43] adjustments I don't understand the
[48:45] question well we're highlighting wanting
[48:48] to adjust the behavior so I applied for
[48:51] a
[48:53] non-conformance to not have to like
[48:56] alter we business yeah you would what no
[48:59] what you're saying to the Zone board of
[49:01] appeals I'm at this
[49:03] street the the deadline has come down I
[49:06] have in I I've invested x amount of
[49:10] dollars into this therefore I feel that
[49:13] it I should expend more I should the
[49:16] deadline should not apply to me and that way I should stay
[49:23] longer because it's impacting me
[49:25] financially
[49:27] Mr M did you have no I was going to ask
[49:30] uh add to that so really you stay longer
[49:33] in term is there a time to Reco their it
[49:36] would it would be it would really depend
[49:39] on a Case by case basis of how much they
[49:42] put in how long they've been there
[49:44] dollars and cents proof provided to
[49:46] Theon board of appeals so this one like
[49:49] they can go on for another year it would
[49:52] all depend all depends yeah it all
[49:53] depends
[50:01] and it would be the prior to the
[50:03] non-conformity the non-conforming is one
[50:05] year in other words those individuals
[50:08] that that put into their put the
[50:11] business in
[50:13] really um said we've had the uh The Vape
[50:19] Shop moratorium since uh March it would
[50:22] be you see that it would be a longer
[50:25] period of time so a longer period of
[50:27] time it would be indicate that they
[50:29] would have more return on their
[50:31] investment because the non-conformity
[50:33] would occur July 15th M but presumably
[50:38] they've been work in had their business
[50:41] there prior to when you accept it's had
[50:45] the moratorium put in place back in
[50:47] March the legal businesses right
[50:59] so that seems to be the only sticking
[51:00] point are we moving second are we I'm
[51:04] happy to move
[51:05] this are we moving it tonight y yeah
[51:08] we're ready to we have I mean as amended
[51:11] it can go forward and put the new
[51:13] language in the red language deleted the
[51:16] yellow Lang just so you know um so our
[51:21] where you I know that are they're not in
[51:23] college so you don't know what language
[51:24] is being deleted which language I read
[51:26] it
[51:27] yeah it's it's
[51:29] bracketed
[51:31] Sor it's bracketed it's highlighted may
[51:35] not be yellow but it's high yeah
[51:39] yes Mr M so I'm in favor of keeping the
[51:43] language that is point through here and
[51:45] let these business come back before the
[51:46] zoning board um to kind of like discuss
[51:50] their financial um you know at a plus or
[51:53] minus and and B would allow them to like
[51:56] extend give them an extension to
[51:58] continue the business until they can
[51:59] recove um their expenditure because the
[52:03] sole purpose of us is to centralize
[52:05] these business in approv zoning area so
[52:09] if we were to say it will change it back
[52:11] and put it it doesn't serve any purpose
[52:13] so we're doing here right I agree the
[52:15] sole purpose was to to to uh to
[52:17] centralize them in one
[52:20] area uh that's you know we kind of tried
[52:23] to do that a while back with the um what
[52:25] with those adult shops and I that that
[52:28] turned out to be a problem I don't know
[52:29] if you remember that you would probably
[52:31] be the only one that would um
[52:35] so um so and and we were also if I
[52:40] remember correctly one of the main
[52:41] reasons for this was
[52:43] to start to kind of um take a look at
[52:47] businesses that are operating on with
[52:50] not they're not uh operating in
[52:53] compliance with what the you know City's
[52:55] rules expectations are and and this
[52:59] moratorium was to kind of stop the from
[53:02] popping up all over the place where we
[53:03] can manage what was in front of us right
[53:05] like so that okay right um and and with
[53:09] that so mayor in terms of the
[53:11] enforcement and for those that are legal
[53:14] versus illegal do we have any type of
[53:16] update on the on of the 39 is what M Tor
[53:19] says but I kind of think your number's
[53:22] [Music]
[53:24] low uh seen an updated the enforcement
[53:27] we can put that together and you have it
[53:29] two weeks or get it out to you you by
[53:32] the end of the week the beginning of
[53:33] next
[53:43] week any other thing for me um and I
[53:47] guess I would ask this view mayor as
[53:48] well if someone can map it out um if we
[53:51] have it mapped out where they currently
[53:52] exist as
[53:53] well those are
[53:56] we did it's not updated I don't just
[53:59] updated updated but we did get the map
[54:02] well like you said this she said there's
[54:04] more popping up and just um yeah the
[54:09] neighborhoods that they in
[54:11] so
[54:15] okay so you're suggesting that we just
[54:17] move ahead with it as it currently is
[54:19] and let them um come before The Zing Bo
[54:22] yes that is what I'm suggesting we move
[54:24] as Z and this this language with the
[54:28] language that's currently before us as
[54:30] amend and um mrri when would they have
[54:34] to when with this from July 15th until
[54:36] July 15th
[54:37] 2025 is whenever the you know it has to
[54:41] pass the the council so we and when the
[54:43] mayor signs it and the resol as the
[54:46] ordinance says this this ordinance take
[54:48] shall take effect immediately so upon
[54:50] the mayor's signature or 10 days
[54:52] whatever that is pursuant to the code
[54:55] that will be the of the year will start
[54:57] at that point okay and if for some
[55:00] reason this obviously doesn't work out
[55:02] we could always come back in langage if
[55:04] you ever want to revisit it like any
[55:06] ordinance you can always bring this back
[55:09] if it's not not if you want to revisit
[55:12] it at any time you can put back on and
[55:15] if you want to amend it there will be
[55:17] another public hearing or you just want
[55:19] to have a discussion on that certainly
[55:21] it can always be
[55:23] Revisited okay
[55:27] I'm motion move and I'll
[55:31] second so I will just make the statement
[55:34] that um I will um support this however
[55:37] if people come to us and say there's a
[55:38] hardship then I would want this brought
[55:41] before this Council to be Revisited I
[55:43] don't want to put a hardship on any
[55:44] small businesses so with that Cav H all
[55:47] in favor I I Madam chair uh M Madam
[55:51] president that that could always be the
[55:52] case if you want to revisit that
[55:54] language in the last portion of the
[55:55] ordinance and along the discussion items
[55:58] we've talked about earlier and just one
[56:00] other item it's a it's a type two Seeker
[56:03] action yes and I would just ask that also that resolution that what yes
[56:09] it is is it on there
[56:13] it's we have there's a Seeker resolution
[56:17] yeah we'll have the SE it's right here
[56:19] right page 159 page
[56:21] 159 the a resolution declaring is a type
[56:25] two action
[56:27] 159 is the packet
[56:35] yeah so you need that as to declare yes
[56:38] it's a I'm saying it's not on the agenda
[56:40] that's what I said yes thank
[56:45] you
[56:52] okay okay so we uh so the the next item
[56:55] is to
[56:57] um declare the adoption of the ordinance
[56:59] creating section 264-1111 of the code um
[57:04] is not subject to environmental review
[57:06] of the state quality review act so give
[57:10] me that resolution move it second all in
[57:12] favor
[57:15] I thank you thank you madam president
[57:19] thank you mran and um just um Mr ran
[57:22] have this and I have this quick
[57:23] conversation when we're um at the
[57:25] legislative conference about the
[57:27] um incoming cannabis shops and that we
[57:31] should at some point maybe even talk
[57:33] about the um how that works in the
[57:35] zoning of that as you can see we have
[57:37] the new people's joint on State Street
[57:40] that's the name of it I didn't make it
[57:41] up
[57:43] John um so and there's um I checked with
[57:47] the office of Canabis management and
[57:48] there's at least three more that are
[57:50] pending um and are prepared to come
[57:54] within the city so um I don't know that
[57:56] there's a limit on how many we can have
[57:59] so that's a question so just so you know
[58:03] that's a that's a question I'm going to
[58:04] be asking the office can management I
[58:06] don't I couldn't find anywhere where
[58:08] there was a limit on how many
[58:10] applications and currently I can't
[58:12] remember the number that we have but we
[58:13] have quite a few applications that have
[58:15] come through the clerk's office saying
[58:17] they they want to be here and they've
[58:19] given the various addresses where they
[58:21] want to be so um I'll be following up on
[58:24] that and making the council aware
[58:27] Madam president you want to discuss that
[58:28] next time in two weeks okay that would
[58:32] be
[58:33] uh 131 of the Cannabis law
[58:38] okay
[58:43] thank all right thank you um the next
[58:46] item is the discussion of rules of deor
[58:48] during City Council meetings uh we came
[58:50] up with these rules a while ago and I'm
[58:52] not asking for anything to be um I'm not
[58:55] asking any rules to be changed or
[58:57] anything but what I am would like to see
[59:00] is um we put those out there but nowhere
[59:03] does it state that once you sign up that
[59:05] you're willing to abide by those rules
[59:08] so I just wanted to add that
[59:10] statement um so that there's some level
[59:13] of enforcement if that's the term you
[59:15] want to use so they're right there
[59:16] before you as they currently stand but
[59:18] just adding number 17 that says by
[59:20] signing up to speak that you agree to
[59:23] adhere to the the Corum of the council
[59:28] meetings so maybe add that to the sign
[59:31] up um sheets well the sign up sheets
[59:33] already have all of these on here but
[59:36] that statement yes and just adding that
[59:38] to what's already there right mhm
[59:41] yes yeah
[59:43] I'm that's it for that so do we need to
[59:47] move a motion for that I think we do so
[59:49] move I'm sorry but then should it
[59:51] include like specific language saying if
[59:53] you don't like you're relinquishing your
[59:55] ability to use this platform is that
[59:57] what we're implying or is
[1:00:01] that I'm sorry can you say that again
[1:00:04] does it also need to include like
[1:00:05] specific language that states you're not
[1:00:09] adhering to this means that you're
[1:00:10] relinquishing your ability to speak at
[1:00:12] this point well I think number 16 kind
[1:00:16] of um covered that that we'll remove I I
[1:00:21] um I think we' have to look a little
[1:00:23] further into um whether or not we could
[1:00:26] say that
[1:00:27] specifically Mr you want
[1:00:31] talk sure was there a question it was it
[1:00:34] was regarding the the acknowledg the
[1:00:36] acknowledgement or whether that it could
[1:00:38] be uh uh whether you could enforce it to
[1:00:42] the point where people so vacate their
[1:00:44] or wave their ability to speak if we if we said okay when you write when
[1:00:50] you sign this you a knowledge will go by
[1:00:51] these rules what Mr Williams was asking
[1:00:53] is if we could add something that says
[1:00:55] in if don't then you relinquish your
[1:00:57] ability to be able to have privilege of
[1:00:59] the floor
[1:01:02] ever I'm sorry is that what
[1:01:05] you're because well not forever but I
[1:01:08] mean for the for meeting I mean
[1:01:10] essentially if you have someone that
[1:01:11] disregards it what happens they keep
[1:01:14] going well I think I think Miss P I
[1:01:17] think Mr Farley had his hand up first so
[1:01:20] I oh yeah no I was just um just want to
[1:01:26] be really careful about like as we're
[1:01:28] adding I think that that that's a fair
[1:01:30] suggestion say like you know by signing
[1:01:32] this you're acknowledging that that
[1:01:35] you're expected to act Within These data
[1:01:37] parameters I just um as far as like
[1:01:40] consequences if you
[1:01:42] will um we have to just be mindful you
[1:01:44] know we don't want to discourage people
[1:01:46] to you know after every time people come
[1:01:50] up the sweep we always thank them for
[1:01:52] their input um and I just want to make
[1:01:54] sure that we encourage more of them and
[1:01:56] just be mindful that's all I guess I
[1:01:58] would say about like balancing that
[1:02:02] on what people's
[1:02:05] U ability to come down and speak I think
[1:02:07] it's
[1:02:09] important I'm comfortable I yes this bar
[1:02:13] um I would request and recommend uh that
[1:02:16] we do some legal review of that prior to
[1:02:20] passing this
[1:02:22] forward wew that if they sign it that
[1:02:24] they're adhering to it um yeah look into
[1:02:28] um the legalities of
[1:02:31] that
[1:02:33] okay could you let us know in two weeks
[1:02:37] absolutely um and and I guess we need to
[1:02:40] further discuss if we want to even
[1:02:42] consider adding what Mr Williams has
[1:02:44] suggested Miss Patrick I think um that
[1:02:47] number I agree with you that number 16
[1:02:50] covers um a consequence but um so I
[1:02:54] think after Corporation Council has the
[1:02:57] opportunity to review um but I think
[1:03:00] that does sort of State
[1:03:03] consequences um and I think yeah I I
[1:03:06] agree and I think that it's important
[1:03:08] that we you know um let people know what the expectation is but um I am with
[1:03:15] as Mr barley I'm kind of like want to be
[1:03:17] careful of the over
[1:03:21] policing yes Mr Farley some I mean
[1:03:24] because some of the language I mean even
[1:03:26] though I think that we might have a
[1:03:28] pretty clear well at least a we might be
[1:03:31] able to build consensus around what we
[1:03:33] think is vulgar or inflammatory you know
[1:03:35] I think that something that you do
[1:03:38] really well is if if people seem to be
[1:03:40] Crossing that line you remind them and I
[1:03:42] think that what usually happens from
[1:03:44] what I have my experience when someone
[1:03:47] says something um that might be closely
[1:03:50] getting ready across that line you
[1:03:51] address them and then they uh are more
[1:03:55] mindful in their words and I think that
[1:03:57] that's important because I think they
[1:03:59] want put something on paper saying if
[1:04:01] you do this then this is the consequence
[1:04:04] or maybe to some people some of the
[1:04:07] things that they might be saying might
[1:04:09] not be inflammatory and or threat right
[1:04:12] we might perceive them differently so I
[1:04:13] like that at least
[1:04:15] that kind of uh guardrail of you just
[1:04:19] saying hey that's you're you know you're
[1:04:22] getting close to this thing so I just
[1:04:23] think that that's important too and I
[1:04:25] think that that might have to be in some
[1:04:26] language as well because that is really
[1:04:29] that might just be something that you do
[1:04:31] as you know as a matter of practice and
[1:04:32] not necessarily a matter of policy so I
[1:04:34] know we're talking about policy
[1:04:38] here well again I think that it looks
[1:04:41] like five of us agreed to this um not
[1:04:43] saying that we wouldn't ever change our
[1:04:45] minds but um we we did vote for this and
[1:04:50] you know it's it's pretty clear in terms
[1:04:52] of the language that's that's that's
[1:04:54] here and I agree that I think the
[1:04:57] council president um as you did last
[1:05:00] week for example you opened the meeting
[1:05:02] really kind of reminding people about um
[1:05:06] the public comment period um and then
[1:05:10] did you know kind of uh what's the word
[1:05:13] I'm looking for Marshall uh the
[1:05:16] discussion um so I think that that's I
[1:05:19] think what you're saying as well that um
[1:05:21] you know we do have that ability for the
[1:05:23] council president um to
[1:05:26] make an announcement and then you know
[1:05:29] has the timer and has the ability to I
[1:05:32] think you've you know many times have
[1:05:33] said director comments here you have you
[1:05:36] have different statements or the council
[1:05:38] president has different statements that does sort of keep the
[1:05:42] conversation going within you know
[1:05:45] appropriateness appropriate
[1:05:47] guidelines so I'm I'm fine with just
[1:05:50] sing that one if um once we um make sure
[1:05:53] that it's legally um okay okay did
[1:05:57] you yes Mr yeah Madam president just a
[1:06:01] question when you know they would be
[1:06:03] free to sign it or not sign it in other
[1:06:06] words that would that impact them being
[1:06:08] called or not yes no name no I can't
[1:06:11] call you so that would go for their sign
[1:06:13] signing yeah once you sign that's the
[1:06:15] only that's how we know to call a person
[1:06:17] up to speak and it also clearly states
[1:06:19] that once the meeting's begun you cannot
[1:06:22] um then um be you know be to speak so
[1:06:26] your signature is what gets you gets
[1:06:28] your name called that's how we but we
[1:06:30] don't have right now have them signing
[1:06:32] this type of document no no it's just
[1:06:34] the sign and Sheet the sign and sheet
[1:06:36] has this on it okay but it's not an
[1:06:38] acknowledgement you're looking for for
[1:06:40] wording where it says this acknowledges
[1:06:42] you've read the above and BU as part of
[1:06:44] this yes okay as as part of where what
[1:06:47] we already have just the last thing to
[1:06:48] say and signing this you agree to these
[1:06:51] rules okay right and of course as we do
[1:06:55] any changes we'll just make sure that's
[1:06:57] clear to the public okay um when they
[1:06:59] come okay M thank
[1:07:03] you so we'll put the frames back well
[1:07:05] you'll let us know in two weeks whether
[1:07:06] it is or not we'll have the information
[1:07:09] absolutely okay thank
[1:07:13] you okay
[1:07:16] um and the next item is just a reminder
[1:07:19] regarding the Amendments of the zoning
[1:07:20] ordinance rela to the Hamilton Hill
[1:07:22] Redevelopment planning Redevelopment
[1:07:24] plan also referred to as
[1:07:27] 0 and the public hearing is going to be
[1:07:29] on the 24th
[1:07:31] of um June so that's just a
[1:07:37] reminder the remainder of the items will
[1:07:39] have to be done in the executive
[1:07:43] session so I ask for motion to go second
[1:07:46] session
[1:07:47] second all
[1:07:49] favor members of the public will have to
[1:07:52] leave I don't think we
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[1:07:58] he