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connect city council committee meeting

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for Monday June 17 2024 we going to

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start off with two presentations and

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this time I'd like to turn over the

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commissioner for

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Ferrari thank you council president uh

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city council mayor uh we like to start

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uh tonight with uh u a review of the

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audit uh we have John Kowski from kuak

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and Company Auditors of the who audited

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the city's conected financials uh for

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20123 and uh uh we're going to have John

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come up and explain the audit and what

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he's done and uh how everything looks

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and hopefully uh uh you guys can have

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some questions as you go along okay I'm

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going to turn it over to John

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John uh I just wanted to start off by

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saying thank you to um the mayor city

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council and um everybody who help us out

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during the audit um really appreciate

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everything they did to help us complete

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the audit um we have great staff here

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very well qualified uh really good

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people and really appreciate everything

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that they did for us um so our ultimate

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responsibility for the audit is to to be

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able to issue an opinion in your

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financial statements as to whether

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they're materially stated and whether

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they're in compliance with generally

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accepted accounting principles otherwise

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known as Gap so our audit takes place in

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three main phases um the first is our

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pre- audit phase which takes place in

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December so during this time what we do

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is we review your internal control

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processes um we test those internal

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control processes we perform variance

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and budget analysis uh review council

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meeting minutes and complete our

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internal risk assessment

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procedures um the next next is our audit

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field workk phase this takes place in

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mid March uh we use this information

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gathered um to develop our audit

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procedures our audit programs test

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account balances um to U verify if they

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appear materially stated the third is

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our reporting phase where we review the

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financial statements prepared by your

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senior accountant and um report on the

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final results so the financial

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statements that you have in front of you

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our 77 page document overall it's

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comprised of several major parts the

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first major part is going to be the

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Management's discussion analysis on

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pages 1 through 7 thises a required un

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audited section of financial statements

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so what this does is it summarizes the

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operating results and other financial

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highlights of the year if you're

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unfamiliar with the financial statements

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this is an excellent read uh Pages 8

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through 10 that's your independent 's

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report where we issue an opinion on your

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financial statements

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um it is important to note that your

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financial statements are on the fund

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level only fund and account grp level

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only exclusive of the non-current

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governmental asset account group we are

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pleased to say that we

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have we have once again issued

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unmodified opinion on your financial

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statements the highest L insurance we

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can give you it's considered a clean

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report we have no report of issu with no

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CL so Pages 11 through 13 these are your

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governmental fund balance sheets and

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statements of revenues expenditures and

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changes in fund balance approximated

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operating results for the year end of

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December 31st 2023 general fund balance

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was unchanged due to the ARA loss

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Revenue water fund had a surplus of

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323,000 sewer fund had a surplus of

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136,000 recreation fund had a surplus of

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4,000 a special grants and revenue fund

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surplus of

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13,000 and your capital projects had a

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surplus of 26 million uh due to the

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proceeds from seral Bond issuance and

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band redemptions so highlights of the

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2023 general fund activity and these are

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all approxim figures uh prior year tax

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Le collected F below Expectations by 772

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th000 casino revenue exceeded

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54,000 property sales fell below

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Expectations by 1.7 million uh sales tax

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revenue exceeded expectations by 2.3

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million insurance recoveries these

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exceeded expectations by 753 th000 uh

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don't use cannabis revenue for the year

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$531,000 for new Revenue source for 2023

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Street opening permits these fell below

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78,000 and the federal arpa funds that

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were utilized $8.9 million for the year

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6.5 million of which was used for the

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loss Revenue

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calculation um overall we feel that

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management does a really good job with

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your reserves uh general fund balance is

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$18.9 million a year ended 6.5 million

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of that is restricted funds and the

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detail for these account balances is on

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pages 52 and 53 the notes of financial

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statements band borrowings increased by

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5.7 million to fund capital projects

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your New York State EFC borrowings $28

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million converted to long-term

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serons there was an increase of $48

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million in the city's net pension

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liability this is for underfunded ERS

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and pfrs balance of year end was a

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liability of 9.9 million from ERS and a

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liability of 42.9 million for pfrs total

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opad liability other post employment

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benefits this increased by $43 million

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to $294 million these valuations are due

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to gby savings 68 and 75 which require

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the acral of pension assets and

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liabilities and the other post

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employment benefits on actual valuations

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custodial fund is required by gas State

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M 4 this includes the property taxes

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which are collected for other

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governments not yet remitted Pages 16

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through 58 of your financials these are

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the foot notes of your financial

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statements if you're not comfortable

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with the face of the financial

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statements or you wanted more detail as

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a significant account balances or

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material account balances on the face of

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the financial statements the notes are a

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very good read overall Pages 66 through

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77 this is your federal single audit

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since the city expended more than

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$750,000 of federal funding you are

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required to have it's called a federal

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single audit um Federal expenditures for

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the year were $29 million overall so as

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part of this Federal audit what we're

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require to do is uh rotate your major

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programs every 3 years major programs

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for this year the Community Development

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block grant uh the home Grant and also

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the ARA funds as well um your ARA funds

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are required to be obligated uh for

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expenditure by December 31st 2024 and

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must be expended by December 31st 2026

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there are currently $31 million um still

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remaining of your AR funds to be spent

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um from an overall accounting and

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control standpoint we feel like your

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staff does a really great job a really

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great team here a lot of strong people

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um they were very helpful during the

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audit um if there was any questions at

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this point you know on the audit process

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that was just a brief overview of the

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financial highlights and questions on

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the audit process or the audit in

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general financi statements i' be happy

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to take at this point could you just go

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over again about the liability that you

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talked about 9.9 million liability

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increase sure for the um underfunded ERS

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and PFS so those evaluations are so ERS

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and PFS are under gaser number 68 the

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state has an actal evaluation done and

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what they do is they have to report to

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us whether whether we have if they're in

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an asset situation or a liability

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situation for over funding or

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underfunding both of those um pension

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systems are underfunded which

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essentially means that they have a

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liability that that is allocated on a

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prated basis to each municipality that's

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part of that system so in theory as of

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123123 should those systems fail in

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theory the city would owe 9.9 million

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for R and 42.9 million for place in fire

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we know that would never happen there

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safeguards in place but gby statement 68

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does require that that is placed on in

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the long-term Deb fund as a

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life and that's the same with gas St 75

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for the other post employment benefit

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benefits that's a liability as well

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that's going on an Actuarial basis so

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the actuary provides a report that says

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you know this is your projected

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liability based on our our inputs and

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outputs into into this calculation at

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that given time so I know those numbers

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seem really massive you know n it's kind

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of scared up some but they the lack of

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term can be considered paper liabilities

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where they're not going to be funded

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they cannot be funded but ultimately

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those are valuations that have to be put

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onto St thank you so question you said

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uh that part of the federal audit

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process that you have to rotate three

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major programs what do you mean by that

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so every so your major programs are any

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programs that are over $750,000 or meet

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certain risk criteria so if that AUD if

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that program was audited in the previous

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year it was over 7 50 we had findings we

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then have to audit that program again so

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every third year so essentially like um

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like your Le Grant you spend more than

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$750,000 a year that Grant this year but

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I audited that program last year without

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any material there was no findings no

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significant efficiency so I did not have

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to once again audit it this year as well

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the arpa program is so large that we

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consider a higher risk from our

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standpoints our internal risk assessment

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says this is a brand new program very

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high dollar amount we're going to audit

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it every year in regards of what we can

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or cannot do so I that's kind of from

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our our our side what we're doing our

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risk assment that program

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okay so I had a question and I imagine

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your report gets more detailed uh just

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wanted to confirm you said Pages 52 and

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53 give that assessment of the balances

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uh and I imagine that gets into uh how

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our rating as a city is

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outlined I'm sorry your rating or I

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think there's like a like a the bond

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rating so the bond rating is discussed

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in the Management's discussion and

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Analysis the details of the actual fund

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balance with all the different funds

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that's going to be on pages 52 and 53 so

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you can see how much is restricted what

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it's restricted for if there's

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incumbrances details of all those

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different

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balances um you mentioned um the arpa um

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loss Revenue $8 million that was set

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aside and we only use

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$6 million does that mean that we have

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$2 million available we're using it 24

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now yeah well I was going say there was

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even more than that so it was I think

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Tony I think it was $1 million in total

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but we use six six a change this year

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and then the rest of it is budget for

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next

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year anyone else

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no we said the audit went very well

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thank you all for having me here tonight

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and if there's any questions you know

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afterward after you're done here if you

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think of anything just um get my contact

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information to Tony or Derek and can

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take care of thank you thank than you

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thank

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you okay um excuse me um we've been

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talking about this for um a while and uh

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about doing a quarterly financial report

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so that we don't see a similar situation

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is we did last we get to the budget we

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kind of have an idea where we were

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financially and how things are going so

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M Ferrari is here

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today just kind of go over it um where

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we are with our

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Revenue EXC are you going to vote to

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adopt please for the audit to accept the

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audit accept the audit yes but um but

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let's just do that under government

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office because I usually do it in a

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committee so let's do it there

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you want me to go ahead or you yeah

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we'll do that in government Ops I'd like

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to present D who's going to present our

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first quarter uh

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uh details for you

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dere thank you so we're just going to

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review the first quar report for the

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fiscal year

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2024 uh I'd like to start with the

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general fund um start off on a positive

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note uh the city's connect uh did

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increase its rating from an A to an A+

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after completion of the official

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statement and interview with our S&P

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experts um from operational standpoint

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uh based on the original adopted budget

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through March 2024 the city has attained

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40% of its projected general fund

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revenue and expending 22% of projected

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general fund expenditures uh during the

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same period of 2023 the city had

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attained 41% of projected revenue and

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expended 23% of its projected

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expenditures um some of the budget

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concerns for the general fund are in

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certies health insurance cost um there's

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11% increase from 2023 to 2024 this is

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in the same period from January through

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March uh vehicle repair budget um has

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increased by

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68% uh compared to

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2023 um tipping fees increased by

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107% uh compared to 2023 the waste

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recycling perm salary increased by

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28% um Public Safety overtime cost

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um respectively the PD has increased by

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5% compared to 2023 and again this is

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from January to March of 2024 the fire

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department increased by 16% during the

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same time period um there's only one

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meeting contract which has not been

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settled which is on tonight's agenda uh

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the PBA uh for

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2024 um the golf fund uh from an

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operational standpoint based on the

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original adopted budget through March

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24th the city has obained 2% of

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projected golf fund revenue and expended

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7% of its projected golf fund

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expenditures through the same

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period two and seven correct correct 2%

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for Revenue 7% for the expenditures 2024

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uh compared to 2023 the city attained 2%

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projected revenue and expended 20% of

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its projected excuse me projected

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expenditures uh the expenditures for

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2023 are due to higher typ type Capital

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reserves expenditures compared to the

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same period in 2024 the length of the

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season will um definitely um influence

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the financial outcome of the golf fund

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um right as of now there are no budget

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conserns in

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2024 the water fund uh from an

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operational standpoint activities in the

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water fund are closely tracking those of

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2023 raising no budget concerns at the

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present time based on an original

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adopted budget through March 2024 the

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city has obtained 58% % of his projected

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Revenue spended 28% of projected

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expenditures through the same period of

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2023 the city has attained 67% of his

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projected revenue and expending 19% of

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his projected

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expenditures the revenues are down in

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2024 due to the time of issuing uh NIS

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Uno water

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bill uh which is uh approximately

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$648,000 the expenses are up in 2024 due

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to early use of water repair line of

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approximately 455,000 in

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2024 the sewer fund from an operational

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standpoint based on an operational

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adopted budget through March 2024 the

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city has obtained 63% of the projected

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sewer fund Revenue expended 16% of its

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projected sewer fund expenditures

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through the same time period of 2023 the

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city has attained 62% of its projected

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Revenue expended 18% of its projected

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expenditures use of type Capital

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reserves is much higher at this point in

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2024 then the same period in 2023 by

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approximately

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66,000 so the finance department will

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continue to monitor the numbers and

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Report City Council on a quarterly basis

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um are there any questions at this

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point um thank you for the breakdown

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looking for clarification you said the

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vehicle repair increase uh are you able

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to differentiate between like rou

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maintenance and then just

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acents uh the vehicle pairs parts and

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bringing it to um uh broad shop to get

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the repair um I think most of that is do

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the inflation the parts supply and

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demand um so we're definitely seeing

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that

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up so just your you're not you're

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suggesting that's probably just because

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the increase of Parts not necessarily

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like more vehicles are breaking down or

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there's an increase of things like that

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could be potentially B of Aging Fleet

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and um you know just Supply and and then

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as we know inflation with the cost of

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pair and you know getting those uh parks

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that

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from um you also said there was 11%

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increase in for our healthcare costs

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yeah yes um well that's compared to

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2023 um it's going up um we I think we

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showed you guys in the past and the

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council wanted to cut um I that's

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approximately a million dollars at one

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point but um it's just you know the way

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the market is

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point I think can speak more towards

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that on the health side uh during the co

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period from 2020 to 2023 actually uh

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because of the co outbreak our our uh uh

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fees for uh Health had steady and

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actually gone down but as as uh 2023

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emerged especially at the last uh

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quarter the last half you know people

436
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started going back to the doctors we had

437
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a lot more babies and starting to say we

438
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have a lot more people getting sicker um

439
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and than you know than we we we wish to

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uh in 2024 we saw that uh last quarter

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of 2023 move increasing as you can see

442
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11% more more people are going to the

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doctors more people are getting

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treatments and more people are getting

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uh work done so uh uh the the price of

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uh the price has G on up but you know I

447
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I always like to say that uh because we

448
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have such a great uh uh health benefit

449
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here at this concy you know we're proud

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that our workers are are covered so well

451
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so it's it's it's give it costs more

452
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money but you know we're giving a really

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good product to our our

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employees so you have a 2023 completed

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year and now this year at this point in

456
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time what areas or line um expenses that

457
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we should be concerned of that we may I

458
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think I mentioned a bunch of them I

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think those are definitely you you a

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look out for um we could do another that

461
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sorry top three top three um health

462
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insurance is definitely one of them um

463
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you know with the overtime cost possibly

464
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PB and uh PD and fire department um you

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know the council did cut uh from this

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past budget year

467
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um you know this first quarter is really

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hard to tell at this point we'll have a

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better idea in the second and third

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quarter where we're going to sit um so I

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think about a month or so we'll have

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another discussion uh for a second

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quarter have more updated numbers

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thanks um in terms of the vehicle

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repairs um 68% increase do you think

476
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that that might have been um lessened

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had we been able to vote in our last

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budget about going to the um going

479
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internal with our vehicle repairs which

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I think was what you guys had presented

481
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to us in the budget but was rejected by

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the council I I thought that we if I

483
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recall correctly went through Oh I

484
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thought we um went through yeah I think

485
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think it took a while be work on in our

486
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in our group now okay but we did keep

487
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that guy on overnight okay Sor that's

488
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also an increase but we're also thinking

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one work

490
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time cuz I thought you said something

491
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about sending the vehicles out just just

492
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now when you're talking to I was I no I

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I was asking is is it due to the

494
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increase of cost of price part we do

495
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both we do both Miss Patrick

496
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okay but to her point I thought that was

497
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going to kind of uh that was supposed to

498
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cut our our cost as opposed to as now

499
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doesn't seem like it necessarily yeah I

500
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think like I said it took a while to get

501
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someone in that position oh I don't

502
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think we're really seeing the fruits of

503
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the labor yet so okay maybe in the

504
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second third quarter we'll actually see

505
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you know that decrease

506
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okay thank you Mr waves uh I know kind

507
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of referencing our last budget cycle I

508
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know a point of contention or just an

509
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area of a lot of discussion was around

510
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the uh uh overtime budget related to the

511
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police department and fire department um

512
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I don't know if it's related but I do

513
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see both uh Chief Clifford and chief

514
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Marina here in in tonight I don't know

515
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if either are available but I would love

516
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to hear from their respect if there's

517
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been any uh alteration in their

518
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responses to Public Safety which was uh

519
00:21:36,679 --> 00:21:40,080
a comment or series of comments I heard

520
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frequently from the community I know as

521
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you mentioned this is just the first

522
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quarter but there's a question that I

523
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will be asking throughout the year just

524
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has there been any uh admin or altered

525
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responses due to the uh or due to the

526
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way we budgeted over time that makes

527
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sense I'm not sure if the Chiefs are

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ready to present there's time for that

529
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and maybe they'll come in next commit

530
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cycle to discuss that forther with

531
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you did did you hear the question did

532
00:22:06,360 --> 00:22:08,799
you hear the

533
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comment I can speak in

534
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general come

535
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[Music]

536
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on I know your fingers on the PST of

537
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this all the time so I know your fingers

538
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on the PST of this all the time

539
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so you want to understand the

540
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question U so just to repeat myself um

541
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throughout my conversations I've heard

542
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and also it was a comment that was

543
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consistently repeated that any uh

544
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adjustments that were made to the

545
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recommended budgeted lines for overtime

546
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would have a negative effect to your

547
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ability to respond to events throughout

548
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the

549
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community so my question is have you had

550
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to alter your response due to the um to

551
00:22:58,760 --> 00:23:02,799
what money was allocated to over time no

552
00:23:01,400 --> 00:23:07,000
not at this

553
00:23:02,799 --> 00:23:10,000
point uh we have minimum Staffing of 20

554
00:23:07,000 --> 00:23:12,919
uh we put 20 on the street every day we

555
00:23:10,000 --> 00:23:16,679
answer every call that comes in uh like

556
00:23:12,919 --> 00:23:19,240
normal and the money is there now to pay

557
00:23:16,679 --> 00:23:20,919
for all the overtime what happens in the

558
00:23:19,240 --> 00:23:23,440
third and fourth quarter is yet to be

559
00:23:20,919 --> 00:23:26,480
seen that's why I was so passionate and

560
00:23:23,440 --> 00:23:30,240
adamant for that figure that we

561
00:23:26,480 --> 00:23:31,840
presented um as a the first

562
00:23:30,240 --> 00:23:35,120
quarter

563
00:23:31,840 --> 00:23:37,880
the amounts that we were looking at we

564
00:23:35,120 --> 00:23:38,880
were right on target for that amount

565
00:23:37,880 --> 00:23:42,880
that we

566
00:23:38,880 --> 00:23:45,039
requested uh now if we remain at that

567
00:23:42,880 --> 00:23:46,520
we'll see we're definitely not going the

568
00:23:45,039 --> 00:23:49,520
other

569
00:23:46,520 --> 00:23:49,520
way

570
00:23:53,640 --> 00:23:58,799
you similar response um I think it's

571
00:23:57,240 --> 00:24:00,640
fair to say that the first qu for the

572
00:23:58,799 --> 00:24:03,200
police department is always the least

573
00:24:00,640 --> 00:24:04,840
expensive for us seems like uh weather

574
00:24:03,200 --> 00:24:09,039
is usually Cooperative from the first of

575
00:24:04,840 --> 00:24:12,799
the year until uh you know April May and

576
00:24:09,039 --> 00:24:15,679
uh we we do a lot less proactively more

577
00:24:12,799 --> 00:24:17,919
responsive so we really didn't you know

578
00:24:15,679 --> 00:24:20,039
we we we we really didn't do much

579
00:24:17,919 --> 00:24:21,720
different than we normally do um but we

580
00:24:20,039 --> 00:24:24,120
do expect that with the summer months

581
00:24:21,720 --> 00:24:26,480
upon us now we have more that will be

582
00:24:24,120 --> 00:24:28,080
busier we'll be putting more assets out

583
00:24:26,480 --> 00:24:31,039
there as the certain holidays come

584
00:24:28,080 --> 00:24:33,320
around Fourth of July so we will expect

585
00:24:31,039 --> 00:24:35,200
it to be probably a higher percentage

586
00:24:33,320 --> 00:24:38,360
than the first quarter for our overtime

587
00:24:35,200 --> 00:24:38,360
spending thank

588
00:24:39,120 --> 00:24:45,640
you any other

589
00:24:42,480 --> 00:24:47,760
questions okay thank you very much and U

590
00:24:45,640 --> 00:24:49,600
we'll see you for the second quarter

591
00:24:47,760 --> 00:24:53,520
absolutely I'm sorry no just mooving

592
00:24:49,600 --> 00:24:56,039
your glasses around yeah oh mayor the

593
00:24:53,520 --> 00:25:01,039
uh just

594
00:24:56,039 --> 00:25:03,080
the the uh try light my word choice uh

595
00:25:01,039 --> 00:25:05,919
last year's budget process was somewhat

596
00:25:03,080 --> 00:25:08,039
of a debacle said trying to avoid that

597
00:25:05,919 --> 00:25:11,000
this type of information has always been

598
00:25:08,039 --> 00:25:13,600
provided to the council we had generally

599
00:25:11,000 --> 00:25:16,080
made public comments at the adoption of

600
00:25:13,600 --> 00:25:18,799
the budget we would go back and look to

601
00:25:16,080 --> 00:25:21,399
change the code in the charter where

602
00:25:18,799 --> 00:25:23,640
today it reads that the mayor submits it

603
00:25:21,399 --> 00:25:27,000
by October 1st the council adopted by

604
00:25:23,640 --> 00:25:29,240
November 1st uh there were some opinions

605
00:25:27,000 --> 00:25:34,000
granted that there were

606
00:25:29,240 --> 00:25:36,440
no impact or effect of not adopting a

607
00:25:34,000 --> 00:25:39,799
budget uh I've made some staff

608
00:25:36,440 --> 00:25:42,600
adjustments to uh reflect that prior

609
00:25:39,799 --> 00:25:44,320
opinion but thought the council was in

610
00:25:42,600 --> 00:25:48,279
the mindset to put something on the

611
00:25:44,320 --> 00:25:51,360
ballot to clear that up so that if a

612
00:25:48,279 --> 00:25:55,000
budget is not adopted by November 1st

613
00:25:51,360 --> 00:25:57,399
you adopt either uh the mayor's proposed

614
00:25:55,000 --> 00:25:59,640
budget last year's budget some

615
00:25:57,399 --> 00:26:03,600
contingency budget but to take the

616
00:25:59,640 --> 00:26:06,600
ambigu out of the whole process and that

617
00:26:03,600 --> 00:26:09,000
uh you waited for that the action of the

618
00:26:06,600 --> 00:26:12,360
council we are coming up to a point

619
00:26:09,000 --> 00:26:14,120
where the timelines to put forward

620
00:26:12,360 --> 00:26:15,159
resolutions that will go on the ballot

621
00:26:14,120 --> 00:26:17,520
for this

622
00:26:15,159 --> 00:26:19,360
November uh there's still time where we

623
00:26:17,520 --> 00:26:21,760
can do that but I would assume the

624
00:26:19,360 --> 00:26:23,919
council is going to act on that in some

625
00:26:21,760 --> 00:26:26,320
fashion we can Pi up the discussion at

626
00:26:23,919 --> 00:26:28,760
the next committee meeting thank

627
00:26:26,320 --> 00:26:30,679
you oh I'm sorry Mr

628
00:26:28,760 --> 00:26:32,880
yeah my my only response to that would

629
00:26:30,679 --> 00:26:34,640
be I I would disagree in that I would

630
00:26:32,880 --> 00:26:36,559
categorize that as a debacle I think it

631
00:26:34,640 --> 00:26:38,200
offered a lot of areas of improvement

632
00:26:36,559 --> 00:26:40,120
and a lot of learning opportunities for

633
00:26:38,200 --> 00:26:41,840
the council I would agree with that if

634
00:26:40,120 --> 00:26:45,440
we allowed it collectively to repeat

635
00:26:41,840 --> 00:26:47,440
again in our 2024 or 2025 conversations

636
00:26:45,440 --> 00:26:50,159
but I definitely agree um Mr Mayor I

637
00:26:47,440 --> 00:26:51,960
think cleaning up some of those um

638
00:26:50,159 --> 00:26:54,919
lesser cleared areas specifically with

639
00:26:51,960 --> 00:26:56,720
regards to whether a budget is adopted I

640
00:26:54,919 --> 00:27:00,080
I definitely can agree that having more

641
00:26:56,720 --> 00:27:02,399
finer language to to alleviate our

642
00:27:00,080 --> 00:27:03,840
interpretations only helps ensure that a

643
00:27:02,399 --> 00:27:04,760
budget is passed in time and manner for

644
00:27:03,840 --> 00:27:07,279
the

645
00:27:04,760 --> 00:27:08,960
city and that's one of the reasons I was

646
00:27:07,279 --> 00:27:11,520
hoping I was asking that we had do this

647
00:27:08,960 --> 00:27:13,120
process so that we're once we get to the

648
00:27:11,520 --> 00:27:14,760
um where we have to actually look at the

649
00:27:13,120 --> 00:27:16,799
the overall budget we will have had

650
00:27:14,760 --> 00:27:18,919
discussions throughout and have a better

651
00:27:16,799 --> 00:27:22,279
idea of where we were so we will have

652
00:27:18,919 --> 00:27:26,399
the back and forth and

653
00:27:22,279 --> 00:27:29,480
um long elongated prolonged um budget

654
00:27:26,399 --> 00:27:31,320
process that we had last year so we can

655
00:27:29,480 --> 00:27:34,360
put that forward to have discussion at

656
00:27:31,320 --> 00:27:37,880
the next committee meeting thank

657
00:27:34,360 --> 00:27:39,520
you okay go ahead I like the call

658
00:27:37,880 --> 00:27:43,240
government operations we have two items

659
00:27:39,520 --> 00:27:45,640
on the agenda actually do the audit and

660
00:27:43,240 --> 00:27:49,120
we put three items on the agenda right

661
00:27:45,640 --> 00:27:52,760
so first I what we'll

662
00:27:49,120 --> 00:27:59,320
do we to accept the

663
00:27:52,760 --> 00:28:02,600
audit so second all those in favor I

664
00:27:59,320 --> 00:28:04,480
our next agenda item is going to be ret

665
00:28:02,600 --> 00:28:08,039
Dr Kelly tolin of other clinical

666
00:28:04,480 --> 00:28:08,039
psychologist and that his chief

667
00:28:14,320 --> 00:28:19,159
M um so working with the police

668
00:28:17,080 --> 00:28:22,559
department the fire department has been

669
00:28:19,159 --> 00:28:23,519
in the process of establishing our home

670
00:28:22,559 --> 00:28:26,919
peer

671
00:28:23,519 --> 00:28:29,039
support team as a matter of fact we're

672
00:28:26,919 --> 00:28:32,480
joining the police department time with

673
00:28:29,039 --> 00:28:35,880
their team they're doing a fantastic job

674
00:28:32,480 --> 00:28:37,720
uh and we are modeling our team after

675
00:28:35,880 --> 00:28:40,559
theirs and we'll be working closely with

676
00:28:37,720 --> 00:28:43,559
them part of our pair support team is

677
00:28:40,559 --> 00:28:47,080
bringing on a clinical psychologist and

678
00:28:43,559 --> 00:28:50,039
we are uh asking to approve a contract

679
00:28:47,080 --> 00:28:52,279
with Dr Kelly tolin who's the same

680
00:28:50,039 --> 00:28:56,880
psychologist that the police work

681
00:28:52,279 --> 00:29:00,039
with uh her contract calls for a

682
00:28:56,880 --> 00:29:03,159
$1,400 uh retainer fee every

683
00:29:00,039 --> 00:29:06,960
month uh we'll be modifying our original

684
00:29:03,159 --> 00:29:11,880
proposal of a year contract to 6 months

685
00:29:06,960 --> 00:29:16,080
and um there was some questions that the

686
00:29:11,880 --> 00:29:20,279
uh uh council president had asked I have

687
00:29:16,080 --> 00:29:22,240
answered to so the background of our the

688
00:29:20,279 --> 00:29:25,919
reason why we want our prer support team

689
00:29:22,240 --> 00:29:28,799
is because of the increase in mental

690
00:29:25,919 --> 00:29:31,640
health challenges that First Responders

691
00:29:28,799 --> 00:29:34,320
are facing and in the legislative

692
00:29:31,640 --> 00:29:36,679
request I listed some of those they're

693
00:29:34,320 --> 00:29:39,279
actually pretty troubling uh to the

694
00:29:36,679 --> 00:29:42,640
point where we just dealt with two

695
00:29:39,279 --> 00:29:46,399
issues uh about 10 days ago of people

696
00:29:42,640 --> 00:29:49,440
that really needed some intervention so

697
00:29:46,399 --> 00:29:51,159
due to the work our people do and the

698
00:29:49,440 --> 00:29:54,640
stress that comes with that the amount

699
00:29:51,159 --> 00:29:58,480
of time that our people are working um

700
00:29:54,640 --> 00:30:00,760
we're seeing more and more challenges so

701
00:29:58,480 --> 00:30:03,159
it is extremely important that we have a

702
00:30:00,760 --> 00:30:05,880
team and with the team we need the

703
00:30:03,159 --> 00:30:10,120
clinical psychologist so that's why I'm

704
00:30:05,880 --> 00:30:10,120
here to ask for the approval of the

705
00:30:10,840 --> 00:30:19,080
contract Chief um the compensation of

706
00:30:13,880 --> 00:30:22,200
section three page um section three um

707
00:30:19,080 --> 00:30:24,039
$1,400 with retainer and they not to

708
00:30:22,200 --> 00:30:26,360
exceed

709
00:30:24,039 --> 00:30:29,919
$1,000 for additional service so that's

710
00:30:26,360 --> 00:30:34,919
like 4 hours is that enough

711
00:30:29,919 --> 00:30:38,480
on top of the $1,400 so the 1,400 is uh

712
00:30:34,919 --> 00:30:41,399
her retainer and all the services she'll

713
00:30:38,480 --> 00:30:43,159
provide you see that on exhibited that

714
00:30:41,399 --> 00:30:47,279
additional

715
00:30:43,159 --> 00:30:48,480
$250 a uh an hour that would be in the

716
00:30:47,279 --> 00:30:50,679
event of

717
00:30:48,480 --> 00:30:53,120
some acute

718
00:30:50,679 --> 00:30:55,600
event and I don't want to get specific

719
00:30:53,120 --> 00:30:58,880
but if something happened and she was

720
00:30:55,600 --> 00:31:02,159
called in because of the share

721
00:30:58,880 --> 00:31:04,039
uh severity of it that would be what she

722
00:31:02,159 --> 00:31:07,799
would be charging for that event it

723
00:31:04,039 --> 00:31:11,440
wouldn't be for oneon-one for oneon-one

724
00:31:07,799 --> 00:31:15,440
uh sessions she' be charging she'd be

725
00:31:11,440 --> 00:31:17,919
invoicing the insurance so this would

726
00:31:15,440 --> 00:31:21,279
be in the event of something

727
00:31:17,919 --> 00:31:24,200
happen I

728
00:31:21,279 --> 00:31:27,039
specific so I think what we're seeing um

729
00:31:24,200 --> 00:31:28,880
in society right now is that there's a

730
00:31:27,039 --> 00:31:31,880
renewal of the social contract for

731
00:31:28,880 --> 00:31:33,519
institutions including school districts

732
00:31:31,880 --> 00:31:35,399
um First Responders things like that

733
00:31:33,519 --> 00:31:38,559
nature and I think that this is

734
00:31:35,399 --> 00:31:40,480
definitely in line um with

735
00:31:38,559 --> 00:31:42,159
that that's probably a contract that

736
00:31:40,480 --> 00:31:43,519
wasn't necessarily negotiated we just

737
00:31:42,159 --> 00:31:45,600
had to respond to because there's a

738
00:31:43,519 --> 00:31:47,440
different level of need here so I think

739
00:31:45,600 --> 00:31:48,919
that that's a important step to take a

740
00:31:47,440 --> 00:31:51,240
proactive step to take it's something

741
00:31:48,919 --> 00:31:54,399
that we can probably um

742
00:31:51,240 --> 00:31:56,240
unfortunately uh will likely be utilize

743
00:31:54,399 --> 00:31:58,559
one way or another so I I I appreciate

744
00:31:56,240 --> 00:32:00,720
that F and full support of that

745
00:31:58,559 --> 00:32:02,679
any other questions or comments on that

746
00:32:00,720 --> 00:32:05,399
um just a comment do we have the same

747
00:32:02,679 --> 00:32:07,559
PSA for the police department do we have

748
00:32:05,399 --> 00:32:09,240
the same PS for the police department

749
00:32:07,559 --> 00:32:12,320
I'm not sure it's exactly but

750
00:32:09,240 --> 00:32:15,200
conceptually it's the same it's um the

751
00:32:12,320 --> 00:32:17,639
police department it's 2,000 overall and

752
00:32:15,200 --> 00:32:19,960
then 225 for

753
00:32:17,639 --> 00:32:22,080
incidents um I just want to make sure

754
00:32:19,960 --> 00:32:25,320
that we have uh up to- date signed

755
00:32:22,080 --> 00:32:27,519
contract um that but that's that's the

756
00:32:25,320 --> 00:32:30,360
difference there he so it was modeled as

757
00:32:27,519 --> 00:32:32,679
the chief said off of the police

758
00:32:30,360 --> 00:32:34,559
department my um I just wanted to ask

759
00:32:32,679 --> 00:32:35,919
Chief so are we going to be um this

760
00:32:34,559 --> 00:32:37,279
state in in that we have in our

761
00:32:35,919 --> 00:32:39,159
information say June 1st so we're going

762
00:32:37,279 --> 00:32:41,080
to be changing that to July 1st July 1st

763
00:32:39,159 --> 00:32:44,000
yeah okay and I'll speak with court

764
00:32:41,080 --> 00:32:47,200
Council tomorrow about uh making it a

765
00:32:44,000 --> 00:32:49,440
six month as opposed to a year right so

766
00:32:47,200 --> 00:32:51,480
to keep it in line with how we do our um

767
00:32:49,440 --> 00:32:52,919
our budget and then we'll do it again in

768
00:32:51,480 --> 00:32:53,960
the beginning of the year correct well

769
00:32:52,919 --> 00:32:56,799
at the end of the year at the beginning

770
00:32:53,960 --> 00:32:58,360
of the year and cor Council wanted one

771
00:32:56,799 --> 00:33:00,360
phrase in

772
00:32:58,360 --> 00:33:02,279
the resolution so we'll make sure that

773
00:33:00,360 --> 00:33:04,840
gets in there also oh it was just

774
00:33:02,279 --> 00:33:06,279
regarding legislative request sorry that

775
00:33:04,840 --> 00:33:08,320
was just regarding the legislative

776
00:33:06,279 --> 00:33:10,799
request okay we'll we'll put together

777
00:33:08,320 --> 00:33:10,799
the final

778
00:33:11,080 --> 00:33:16,760
contract Mr thank you hi um so you said

779
00:33:15,559 --> 00:33:18,639
you said something about you'd be

780
00:33:16,760 --> 00:33:21,519
working with the team who else is on the

781
00:33:18,639 --> 00:33:23,320
team you have any well right now we're

782
00:33:21,519 --> 00:33:26,880
putting together our team working with

783
00:33:23,320 --> 00:33:28,799
Dr toin and just to be fully transparent

784
00:33:26,880 --> 00:33:31,960
Dr Tobin's been working with us probably

785
00:33:28,799 --> 00:33:33,919
the last 2 months and has not been uh

786
00:33:31,960 --> 00:33:37,399
compensated nor she asking to be

787
00:33:33,919 --> 00:33:41,639
compensated I just state that to show

788
00:33:37,399 --> 00:33:43,919
you the character of Dr tolin she is not

789
00:33:41,639 --> 00:33:45,600
in this for the money like I said to her

790
00:33:43,919 --> 00:33:47,679
today you're not building a mansion

791
00:33:45,600 --> 00:33:50,720
anywhere she's in it because she

792
00:33:47,679 --> 00:33:53,960
believes it and she does wonderful work

793
00:33:50,720 --> 00:33:55,720
she's already Council a couple of our

794
00:33:53,960 --> 00:33:58,440
people

795
00:33:55,720 --> 00:34:01,080
um so

796
00:33:58,440 --> 00:34:02,960
will be starting in July what was your

797
00:34:01,080 --> 00:34:06,080
question

798
00:34:02,960 --> 00:34:09,480
oh other type of profession St whatever

799
00:34:06,080 --> 00:34:11,320
you going to put on a team to help so

800
00:34:09,480 --> 00:34:14,480
some other departments have modeled

801
00:34:11,320 --> 00:34:17,480
their team uh through

802
00:34:14,480 --> 00:34:21,200
seniority um you know taken into

803
00:34:17,480 --> 00:34:22,919
consideration what the contract States

804
00:34:21,200 --> 00:34:25,520
here we're doing it basically on a

805
00:34:22,919 --> 00:34:28,359
volunteer basis our people will not be

806
00:34:25,520 --> 00:34:31,599
compensated there are people that are

807
00:34:28,359 --> 00:34:35,679
drawn to this and they'll be vetted by

808
00:34:31,599 --> 00:34:37,720
Dr toin and those members of the SK

809
00:34:35,679 --> 00:34:40,280
Police Department team to make sure

810
00:34:37,720 --> 00:34:44,040
there'd be a good thing so we we don't

811
00:34:40,280 --> 00:34:45,720
have names to give you at this point but

812
00:34:44,040 --> 00:34:49,359
we'll have that soon we're in the

813
00:34:45,720 --> 00:34:49,359
process very nice thank

814
00:34:49,399 --> 00:34:53,839
you so is Dr Toby is this a private

815
00:34:52,200 --> 00:34:55,800
practice or is she does she have a group

816
00:34:53,839 --> 00:34:57,280
practice and the reason I'm asking that

817
00:34:55,800 --> 00:34:59,119
is because if for some reason she's on

818
00:34:57,280 --> 00:35:01,680
vacation she's she's not feeling well or

819
00:34:59,119 --> 00:35:03,320
whatever is there someone that that when

820
00:35:01,680 --> 00:35:06,160
help is needed that there's still

821
00:35:03,320 --> 00:35:09,079
someone that um is available to the uh

822
00:35:06,160 --> 00:35:10,560
members she's a private practice but she

823
00:35:09,079 --> 00:35:14,000
works closely with the police

824
00:35:10,560 --> 00:35:17,119
department's peer support te so they're

825
00:35:14,000 --> 00:35:19,079
involved uh they work as a group so if

826
00:35:17,119 --> 00:35:21,960
she was not available there'd be people

827
00:35:19,079 --> 00:35:23,760
from the police department's team and

828
00:35:21,960 --> 00:35:26,680
and not everybody that has an issue goes

829
00:35:23,760 --> 00:35:29,440
to Dr Tolman the whole concept of peer

830
00:35:26,680 --> 00:35:32,520
support is to talk to a peer to work

831
00:35:29,440 --> 00:35:34,760
with a peer okay and what we like about

832
00:35:32,520 --> 00:35:38,760
it uh I'd like to say it was my idea was

833
00:35:34,760 --> 00:35:41,280
it Chief Cliffords um that there could

834
00:35:38,760 --> 00:35:44,200
be times where a member of the police

835
00:35:41,280 --> 00:35:45,760
department would feel more comfortable

836
00:35:44,200 --> 00:35:48,000
speaking to someone outside the police

837
00:35:45,760 --> 00:35:50,800
department be a firefighter and vice

838
00:35:48,000 --> 00:35:53,079
versa so I did like that

839
00:35:50,800 --> 00:35:55,400
concept whole ideas getting people to

840
00:35:53,079 --> 00:35:57,760
help they need absolutely necessary yes

841
00:35:55,400 --> 00:35:59,520
thank you

842
00:35:57,760 --> 00:36:02,839
there a

843
00:35:59,520 --> 00:36:04,920
motion second all those in

844
00:36:02,839 --> 00:36:09,160
favor thank

845
00:36:04,920 --> 00:36:13,599
you he the next item on our agenda is PV

846
00:36:09,160 --> 00:36:16,880
M agreement mayor McCarthy can I U just

847
00:36:13,599 --> 00:36:19,280
interject uh that we recommend that uh

848
00:36:16,880 --> 00:36:23,280
this conversation happen in executive

849
00:36:19,280 --> 00:36:23,280
session because it deals with Collective

850
00:36:24,560 --> 00:36:29,119
negotiations um even though it's like

851
00:36:27,760 --> 00:36:31,920
ass signed document that's been made

852
00:36:29,119 --> 00:36:34,760
public there may be you know how did how

853
00:36:31,920 --> 00:36:37,880
did they get to this particular place

854
00:36:34,760 --> 00:36:41,560
depend on the question question how they

855
00:36:37,880 --> 00:36:43,400
get get this document so executive

856
00:36:41,560 --> 00:36:46,000
session

857
00:36:43,400 --> 00:36:48,599
yes most point for the

858
00:36:46,000 --> 00:36:50,160
session recess we're going to recess

859
00:36:48,599 --> 00:36:52,160
we're going to recess uh government

860
00:36:50,160 --> 00:36:55,839
operations and then we'll bring that

861
00:36:52,160 --> 00:36:59,400
back when to yeah because yeah okay okay

862
00:36:55,839 --> 00:37:02,400
so operations

863
00:36:59,400 --> 00:37:02,400
move

864
00:37:03,359 --> 00:37:10,920
second all those in favor one got you

865
00:37:08,160 --> 00:37:13,119
okay call to order the finance committee

866
00:37:10,920 --> 00:37:15,839
and the forite is Grant to law

867
00:37:13,119 --> 00:37:15,839
enforcement

868
00:37:24,040 --> 00:37:28,200
technology good evening

869
00:37:29,119 --> 00:37:33,960
uh the first one up is the Lech which is

870
00:37:31,680 --> 00:37:35,160
law enforcement technology Grant uh the

871
00:37:33,960 --> 00:37:37,000
New York state division of Criminal

872
00:37:35,160 --> 00:37:39,640
Justice Services has awarded the city's

873
00:37:37,000 --> 00:37:41,560
connec Police Department

874
00:37:39,640 --> 00:37:44,119
$1,569

875
00:37:41,560 --> 00:37:45,480
494 to purchase hardware and software

876
00:37:44,119 --> 00:37:47,800
that supports the Department's

877
00:37:45,480 --> 00:37:51,000
technology needs and there are no

878
00:37:47,800 --> 00:37:53,680
mention funds funds

879
00:37:51,000 --> 00:37:56,359
required any questions about that one

880
00:37:53,680 --> 00:37:58,160
questions handsome go ahead please what

881
00:37:56,359 --> 00:38:00,720
what type of Technology you need do they

882
00:37:58,160 --> 00:38:02,160
are they specific parameters they they

883
00:38:00,720 --> 00:38:04,040
attach to that do you have something in

884
00:38:02,160 --> 00:38:05,160
mind I don't have the specifics per se

885
00:38:04,040 --> 00:38:08,880
but

886
00:38:05,160 --> 00:38:11,480
um perhaps uh Information Technology

887
00:38:08,880 --> 00:38:13,680
whether it's regarding U body cameras

888
00:38:11,480 --> 00:38:17,000
oring our videos or laptops and

889
00:38:13,680 --> 00:38:19,680
computers uh so that's sort of generic

890
00:38:17,000 --> 00:38:19,680
category by

891
00:38:19,920 --> 00:38:25,000
Nature if you have more specific I

892
00:38:22,760 --> 00:38:29,440
thought there was a specific focus on

893
00:38:25,000 --> 00:38:29,440
this application cheap yeah

894
00:38:32,720 --> 00:38:37,119
uh for this for this grant we had

895
00:38:34,760 --> 00:38:38,800
actually uh designate what our area of

896
00:38:37,119 --> 00:38:40,480
Interest was so like the lieutenant

897
00:38:38,800 --> 00:38:43,720
mentioned we put in there for some

898
00:38:40,480 --> 00:38:45,720
surveillance cameras laptop computers

899
00:38:43,720 --> 00:38:47,720
and we also put in for license plate

900
00:38:45,720 --> 00:38:51,640
readers uh for

901
00:38:47,720 --> 00:38:53,680
drones um to expand our fiber network uh

902
00:38:51,640 --> 00:38:56,040
up uh you know through some parts of the

903
00:38:53,680 --> 00:38:57,400
city and video management software for

904
00:38:56,040 --> 00:39:00,240
all the cameras that we have through

905
00:38:57,400 --> 00:39:03,359
throughout the city so so so so that's

906
00:39:00,240 --> 00:39:05,040
that's that's what we are awarded for

907
00:39:03,359 --> 00:39:07,280
the next step after accepting the grant

908
00:39:05,040 --> 00:39:09,599
will be to uh actually do the homework

909
00:39:07,280 --> 00:39:13,760
on the site which uh which vendor we

910
00:39:09,599 --> 00:39:13,760
will go with each for each uh each

911
00:39:14,280 --> 00:39:20,960
category Chief you thank you so so you

912
00:39:18,400 --> 00:39:22,480
said drones in addition to the other

913
00:39:20,960 --> 00:39:24,240
program that you have with the two

914
00:39:22,480 --> 00:39:25,760
drones I think the other one is and this

915
00:39:24,240 --> 00:39:29,000
would be these would be

916
00:39:25,760 --> 00:39:30,920
additional nope uh this is uh what we've

917
00:39:29,000 --> 00:39:33,119
already you've already approved which is

918
00:39:30,920 --> 00:39:35,680
uh through Brink we have funding down to

919
00:39:33,119 --> 00:39:38,079
pay for that whole the

920
00:39:35,680 --> 00:39:39,520
contract Chief you mention a list vit

921
00:39:38,079 --> 00:39:41,640
here are you planning to upgrade the

922
00:39:39,520 --> 00:39:43,000
server at the same time or are you going

923
00:39:41,640 --> 00:39:46,839
to use um

924
00:39:43,000 --> 00:39:48,960
iCloud we're going to use the cloud okay

925
00:39:46,839 --> 00:39:51,440
any other

926
00:39:48,960 --> 00:39:54,720
questions see now may have a motion to

927
00:39:51,440 --> 00:39:56,440
move this item so second all in favor

928
00:39:54,720 --> 00:39:59,319
the next item is the intergovernmental

929
00:39:56,440 --> 00:39:59,319
cooperation agreement

930
00:40:00,760 --> 00:40:04,800
yes so AC is give here the city's

931
00:40:03,119 --> 00:40:07,480
connected police department has received

932
00:40:04,800 --> 00:40:09,520
grant funding under the gun involved

933
00:40:07,480 --> 00:40:12,160
violence elimination which again is the

934
00:40:09,520 --> 00:40:15,119
gri partnership for the fiscal year of

935
00:40:12,160 --> 00:40:16,400
2014 2015 the award is granted by New

936
00:40:15,119 --> 00:40:18,880
York state to the Department of firal

937
00:40:16,400 --> 00:40:20,520
justic Services the Grant application is

938
00:40:18,880 --> 00:40:22,720
a partnership between SK Police

939
00:40:20,520 --> 00:40:25,079
Department the skan District Attorney's

940
00:40:22,720 --> 00:40:27,839
Office skan county probation department

941
00:40:25,079 --> 00:40:30,319
and the skan county sheriff's the total

942
00:40:27,839 --> 00:40:32,280
Grant reward for all of the entities is

943
00:40:30,319 --> 00:40:34,839
$1,200

944
00:40:32,280 --> 00:40:37,079
773 with the skincity police department

945
00:40:34,839 --> 00:40:37,079
receiving

946
00:40:41,560 --> 00:40:47,200
$3,495 question on

947
00:40:44,040 --> 00:40:50,000
this go ahead please and so is all of

948
00:40:47,200 --> 00:40:52,280
our going um be so this is the budget

949
00:40:50,000 --> 00:40:53,880
here like you've given us the budget

950
00:40:52,280 --> 00:40:57,400
down

951
00:40:53,880 --> 00:40:58,800
okay thank you any other questions

952
00:40:57,400 --> 00:41:01,760
seeing none we have a motion to move

953
00:40:58,800 --> 00:41:04,359
this item so move second all in favor I

954
00:41:01,760 --> 00:41:07,319
I thank you thank you any other business

955
00:41:04,359 --> 00:41:11,160
for finance we have a motion to so move

956
00:41:07,319 --> 00:41:13,520
second all in favor I thank you I'd like

957
00:41:11,160 --> 00:41:15,880
to call Health and Recreation to order

958
00:41:13,520 --> 00:41:17,680
um we have one item on the agenda um

959
00:41:15,880 --> 00:41:20,000
which should be a discussion of the new

960
00:41:17,680 --> 00:41:22,839
Central par swimming pool um just to

961
00:41:20,000 --> 00:41:25,160
hear a little bit more about um fees

962
00:41:22,839 --> 00:41:27,640
hours security and any other issues that

963
00:41:25,160 --> 00:41:32,040
folks had uh wanted to discuss regarding

964
00:41:27,640 --> 00:41:34,079
the pool um so I just wanted to open

965
00:41:32,040 --> 00:41:36,839
that discussion up I didn't know if we

966
00:41:34,079 --> 00:41:39,480
had already a fee structure or have

967
00:41:36,839 --> 00:41:41,400
started to consider that um the pool

968
00:41:39,480 --> 00:41:44,560
looks fabulous I don't know if anyone

969
00:41:41,400 --> 00:41:47,920
else has gone up to see it uh it's going

970
00:41:44,560 --> 00:41:49,839
to open later this week um

971
00:41:47,920 --> 00:41:52,800
obviously you know we want to make sure

972
00:41:49,839 --> 00:41:55,280
that it stays as beautiful as it is uh

973
00:41:52,800 --> 00:41:57,240
currently uh so to me that brings up

974
00:41:55,280 --> 00:41:59,200
some security issues so I just wanted to

975
00:41:57,240 --> 00:42:02,560
a little bit more about what might be

976
00:41:59,200 --> 00:42:05,680
planned for um these items and whether

977
00:42:02,560 --> 00:42:09,280
anybody else had some other items to

978
00:42:05,680 --> 00:42:14,280
discuss are there fees fees collected at

979
00:42:09,280 --> 00:42:16,800
this time and no no have we I'm sorry

980
00:42:14,280 --> 00:42:18,440
considered the possibility of attaching

981
00:42:16,800 --> 00:42:20,680
fees to

982
00:42:18,440 --> 00:42:23,400
non-residents it's been informal

983
00:42:20,680 --> 00:42:27,280
discussion you know some of the joining

984
00:42:23,400 --> 00:42:30,359
communities have more restricted access

985
00:42:27,280 --> 00:42:34,200
for their facilities some charge fees uh

986
00:42:30,359 --> 00:42:36,520
the city has not done it and uh some of

987
00:42:34,200 --> 00:42:39,319
us were approaching IT staffing level

988
00:42:36,520 --> 00:42:43,200
more of an open mind uh to new facility

989
00:42:39,319 --> 00:42:44,720
it really looks very impressive uh the

990
00:42:43,200 --> 00:42:47,400
weather is also going to be slightly

991
00:42:44,720 --> 00:42:50,319
warmer than we'd probably like so I

992
00:42:47,400 --> 00:42:55,280
assume the utilization in the first days

993
00:42:50,319 --> 00:42:58,720
is going to uh T some of the limits to

994
00:42:55,280 --> 00:43:02,359
handle it and then we'll just see how it

995
00:42:58,720 --> 00:43:05,720
goes uh from that uh in terms of the

996
00:43:02,359 --> 00:43:08,559
actual hours and Staffing but some of

997
00:43:05,720 --> 00:43:12,559
the fees other access issues are still

998
00:43:08,559 --> 00:43:15,640
the PRI of the city council and uh not

999
00:43:12,559 --> 00:43:18,079
like for the Central Park pool but the

1000
00:43:15,640 --> 00:43:22,240
uh rest of the pools in the city or some

1001
00:43:18,079 --> 00:43:22,240
of the other uh facilities that we

1002
00:43:23,720 --> 00:43:29,359
offer oh who's next I'm sorry Mr yeah I

1003
00:43:27,640 --> 00:43:31,599
was going to say yes it does look

1004
00:43:29,359 --> 00:43:36,079
beautiful and I think that um really

1005
00:43:31,599 --> 00:43:38,559
proud of this project I I would say um

1006
00:43:36,079 --> 00:43:41,160
sustainability of of the project is

1007
00:43:38,559 --> 00:43:43,319
going to be really key so I guess you

1008
00:43:41,160 --> 00:43:45,440
know what would be ideal for me and I'm

1009
00:43:43,319 --> 00:43:47,079
saying this without you know really any

1010
00:43:45,440 --> 00:43:48,640
um information to support at this time

1011
00:43:47,079 --> 00:43:51,440
to the m point we're going to there is

1012
00:43:48,640 --> 00:43:52,640
going to be a level of kind of seeing

1013
00:43:51,440 --> 00:43:55,240
how things are going and then being

1014
00:43:52,640 --> 00:43:58,839
responsive to what we see but um I you

1015
00:43:55,240 --> 00:44:00,559
know my initial ad would be not the

1016
00:43:58,839 --> 00:44:02,839
charged residents of the city but people

1017
00:44:00,559 --> 00:44:06,800
who don't live here who are coming here

1018
00:44:02,839 --> 00:44:08,160
to you know to be there' be some small

1019
00:44:06,800 --> 00:44:09,440
feed there that's probably not and I

1020
00:44:08,160 --> 00:44:12,280
know that happens in other

1021
00:44:09,440 --> 00:44:15,079
municipalities um the only thought thing

1022
00:44:12,280 --> 00:44:17,000
would be I know it cost the city uh

1023
00:44:15,079 --> 00:44:18,760
something to enforce those fees and like

1024
00:44:17,000 --> 00:44:20,720
all like so I'll just you know look at

1025
00:44:18,760 --> 00:44:22,440
that cost benefit piece there but that's

1026
00:44:20,720 --> 00:44:25,119
what I

1027
00:44:22,440 --> 00:44:27,680
would be comfortable

1028
00:44:25,119 --> 00:44:30,240
with okay Mr

1029
00:44:27,680 --> 00:44:32,640
so um do

1030
00:44:30,240 --> 00:44:34,599
we has the parks department come up with

1031
00:44:32,640 --> 00:44:36,559
anything that they've even considering

1032
00:44:34,599 --> 00:44:39,160
um what those fees might be who would be

1033
00:44:36,559 --> 00:44:41,640
charged um is one of my questions and

1034
00:44:39,160 --> 00:44:44,760
the other part is there signage that you

1035
00:44:41,640 --> 00:44:48,359
know rules of the pool essentially is

1036
00:44:44,760 --> 00:44:52,160
that all in place for this weekend I

1037
00:44:48,359 --> 00:44:54,240
hope so you don't know I haven't been up

1038
00:44:52,160 --> 00:44:57,960
to look at they tell me to signage just

1039
00:44:54,240 --> 00:45:01,240
up uh

1040
00:44:57,960 --> 00:45:05,720
and uh apparently we don't charge

1041
00:45:01,240 --> 00:45:08,480
anything Mr Farley's Point uh there is a

1042
00:45:05,720 --> 00:45:10,880
cost in terms of collecting it and some

1043
00:45:08,480 --> 00:45:13,920
of our neighboring communities are far

1044
00:45:10,880 --> 00:45:15,520
more restrictive in terms of access to

1045
00:45:13,920 --> 00:45:17,839
their

1046
00:45:15,520 --> 00:45:19,680
facilities and so we we'll consider

1047
00:45:17,839 --> 00:45:22,200
what's what's reasonable for us to do

1048
00:45:19,680 --> 00:45:25,599
but I have to agree that um to charge

1049
00:45:22,200 --> 00:45:27,240
residents I don't yeah people can you

1050
00:45:25,599 --> 00:45:28,200
know um cuz people are really looking

1051
00:45:27,240 --> 00:45:29,720
forward to it and that they're not

1052
00:45:28,200 --> 00:45:31,440
looking forward to like being stopped at

1053
00:45:29,720 --> 00:45:34,119
the gate for a dollar whatever it's

1054
00:45:31,440 --> 00:45:35,920
going to be yeah I was I actually also

1055
00:45:34,119 --> 00:45:36,920
would support not charging residents I

1056
00:45:35,920 --> 00:45:39,599
just wasn't sure if we were going to

1057
00:45:36,920 --> 00:45:41,680
have a non-resident a non-resident fee

1058
00:45:39,599 --> 00:45:44,720
but I like the idea of you know opening

1059
00:45:41,680 --> 00:45:46,359
and see how things go um in terms of

1060
00:45:44,720 --> 00:45:49,720
Staffing are we all set with the

1061
00:45:46,359 --> 00:45:51,880
lifeguards and all that we will be by

1062
00:45:49,720 --> 00:45:57,119
the time we open

1063
00:45:51,880 --> 00:46:01,920
okay okay and then Mr tutoral yes um

1064
00:45:57,119 --> 00:46:04,520
so residents absolutely children free um

1065
00:46:01,920 --> 00:46:06,839
no charge um how do they prove they're a

1066
00:46:04,520 --> 00:46:09,839
resident folks don't have a license and

1067
00:46:06,839 --> 00:46:12,760
maybe they don't have a um an ID but we

1068
00:46:09,839 --> 00:46:16,359
looking for the for the Youth to provide

1069
00:46:12,760 --> 00:46:18,720
a student ID um to get in because they

1070
00:46:16,359 --> 00:46:22,920
might have one from school so what

1071
00:46:18,720 --> 00:46:27,440
happens um Saturday the gates open

1072
00:46:22,920 --> 00:46:30,880
and well it's up to the C yeah we have

1073
00:46:27,440 --> 00:46:33,359
generally used student IDs from the

1074
00:46:30,880 --> 00:46:36,880
school district in past summers for

1075
00:46:33,359 --> 00:46:39,280
access to Central Park Pool and the

1076
00:46:36,880 --> 00:46:42,640
other facilities assume that that's

1077
00:46:39,280 --> 00:46:44,760
going to continue okay City the past has

1078
00:46:42,640 --> 00:46:49,599
had a

1079
00:46:44,760 --> 00:46:52,480
recreation ID that was uh used for the

1080
00:46:49,599 --> 00:46:56,640
tennis courts the golf course and other

1081
00:46:52,480 --> 00:46:58,680
facilities that had uh shifted so that

1082
00:46:56,640 --> 00:47:01,119
uh even though there's fee structures on

1083
00:46:58,680 --> 00:47:04,400
the books for the tennis courts those

1084
00:47:01,119 --> 00:47:06,640
are not collected uh the golf course set

1085
00:47:04,400 --> 00:47:10,319
up is where there is a fee structure

1086
00:47:06,640 --> 00:47:13,079
that is uh 100% enforced that becomes a

1087
00:47:10,319 --> 00:47:15,880
self- sustaining entity mhm we used to

1088
00:47:13,079 --> 00:47:18,720
get a a photo at the place in Central

1089
00:47:15,880 --> 00:47:20,440
Park where the AL um we used to be able

1090
00:47:18,720 --> 00:47:21,960
to get a resident photo there for for

1091
00:47:20,440 --> 00:47:25,599
the golf course and other things that we

1092
00:47:21,960 --> 00:47:27,000
were participating in city um so say um

1093
00:47:25,599 --> 00:47:28,720
you know a young child shows up with

1094
00:47:27,000 --> 00:47:30,359
their mom and their mom doesn't have

1095
00:47:28,720 --> 00:47:33,240
anything this weekend can they bring the

1096
00:47:30,359 --> 00:47:36,119
niok bill I just thinking I sometimes

1097
00:47:33,240 --> 00:47:36,839
you bring that to um to the golf course

1098
00:47:36,119 --> 00:47:39,559
to

1099
00:47:36,839 --> 00:47:41,440
prove you're a resident you know a bill

1100
00:47:39,559 --> 00:47:43,119
so I just you know want to make sure

1101
00:47:41,440 --> 00:47:46,119
everyone that's entitled to get in there

1102
00:47:43,119 --> 00:47:48,559
to swim this weekend and get in to swim

1103
00:47:46,119 --> 00:47:50,200
so well but this weekend we're not

1104
00:47:48,559 --> 00:47:52,920
asking anybody for anything right is

1105
00:47:50,200 --> 00:47:55,559
that correct

1106
00:47:52,920 --> 00:47:57,280
okay the having said that the Boys and

1107
00:47:55,559 --> 00:47:59,520
Girls Club is going to use the same

1108
00:47:57,280 --> 00:48:05,839
procedures that they used last year in

1109
00:47:59,520 --> 00:48:07,680
Central Park where they still have to uh

1110
00:48:05,839 --> 00:48:10,760
validate the number of people who are

1111
00:48:07,680 --> 00:48:12,960
actually in the pool area because that

1112
00:48:10,760 --> 00:48:16,160
dictates how many lifeguards we have to

1113
00:48:12,960 --> 00:48:20,680
have on duty so they have collected the

1114
00:48:16,160 --> 00:48:22,960
student ID or some counting procedure as

1115
00:48:20,680 --> 00:48:27,760
people come into the facility and that

1116
00:48:22,960 --> 00:48:29,680
will still be used just as it was uh in

1117
00:48:27,760 --> 00:48:31,960
Prior years but we're not looking to

1118
00:48:29,680 --> 00:48:33,839
restrict anybody in terms of their

1119
00:48:31,960 --> 00:48:35,720
access other than there may be a

1120
00:48:33,839 --> 00:48:38,240
quantity

1121
00:48:35,720 --> 00:48:40,400
issue we would limit people because the

1122
00:48:38,240 --> 00:48:42,800
capacity has been exceeded to match with

1123
00:48:40,400 --> 00:48:45,760
lifeguards that makes

1124
00:48:42,800 --> 00:48:48,280
sense Mr Williams but I'd also like to

1125
00:48:45,760 --> 00:48:49,760
comment so to miss uh D Toro's Point

1126
00:48:48,280 --> 00:48:51,760
like of how do you manage that fee

1127
00:48:49,760 --> 00:48:53,920
structure and the collection of it I

1128
00:48:51,760 --> 00:48:57,119
don't know if I agree well I don't agree

1129
00:48:53,920 --> 00:48:57,119
but have

1130
00:48:58,559 --> 00:49:02,400
he doesn't agree either I love that

1131
00:49:02,960 --> 00:49:11,040
quote my train of thought with the Fe

1132
00:49:06,400 --> 00:49:16,319
structures um uh excuse me so one with

1133
00:49:11,040 --> 00:49:18,040
the with the Fe structures um

1134
00:49:16,319 --> 00:49:20,799
wow

1135
00:49:18,040 --> 00:49:23,599
my

1136
00:49:20,799 --> 00:49:25,000
best no someone else has a question

1137
00:49:23,599 --> 00:49:28,720
maybe it'll come back maybe it'll come

1138
00:49:25,000 --> 00:49:30,319
back to you question Mr M yeah the hours

1139
00:49:28,720 --> 00:49:32,559
of operation currently what are the

1140
00:49:30,319 --> 00:49:34,839
hours for the pools that we have

1141
00:49:32,559 --> 00:49:39,599
currently in the contract I believe

1142
00:49:34,839 --> 00:49:44,280
until 12:30 to 6:30 12:30 to

1143
00:49:39,599 --> 00:49:47,680
6:30 they do some s these in the morning

1144
00:49:44,280 --> 00:49:49,680
before that so couldn't be be open on a

1145
00:49:47,680 --> 00:49:54,400
restricted

1146
00:49:49,680 --> 00:49:58,240
basis Central fire are we talking about

1147
00:49:54,400 --> 00:50:01,400
Central I think he's ready oh so oh

1148
00:49:58,240 --> 00:50:03,000
sorry one second Mr Williams so 12:30 to

1149
00:50:01,400 --> 00:50:05,119
6:30 for the current pool that we have

1150
00:50:03,000 --> 00:50:08,440
so we're now looking to have the

1151
00:50:05,119 --> 00:50:10,480
same time slot for the Central Park Pool

1152
00:50:08,440 --> 00:50:14,000
we're looking more of early

1153
00:50:10,480 --> 00:50:17,960
morning no those are the public hours

1154
00:50:14,000 --> 00:50:20,760
there's some swim lessons that they give

1155
00:50:17,960 --> 00:50:24,000
scheduled before the op the general

1156
00:50:20,760 --> 00:50:27,119
public and in terms of security um we're

1157
00:50:24,000 --> 00:50:31,960
talking about um cameras and enfor

1158
00:50:27,119 --> 00:50:31,960
security is that will be available

1159
00:50:32,920 --> 00:50:41,599
yes okay um Mr Williams are you yep okay

1160
00:50:39,000 --> 00:50:43,599
so say I wanted to also just have a

1161
00:50:41,599 --> 00:50:46,400
reminder and correct me if I'm wrong Mr

1162
00:50:43,599 --> 00:50:50,000
Mayor uh the emphasis with using a

1163
00:50:46,400 --> 00:50:52,520
considerable amount of the or dollars to

1164
00:50:50,000 --> 00:50:54,920
create a new resource was to help with

1165
00:50:52,520 --> 00:50:58,839
the exploding maintenance fees to where

1166
00:50:54,920 --> 00:51:01,760
it currently was in effect

1167
00:50:58,839 --> 00:51:04,400
CR say that again where the Central Park

1168
00:51:01,760 --> 00:51:06,680
Pool currently was it was just uh

1169
00:51:04,400 --> 00:51:09,880
difficult a resource to manage just due

1170
00:51:06,680 --> 00:51:11,799
to the the the Aging filtration system

1171
00:51:09,880 --> 00:51:14,880
uh and among other issues whether it

1172
00:51:11,799 --> 00:51:16,240
being closely uh near the the some of

1173
00:51:14,880 --> 00:51:21,040
the animals that live around there so

1174
00:51:16,240 --> 00:51:22,720
wanting to re uh move it should help

1175
00:51:21,040 --> 00:51:24,200
with controlling some of those

1176
00:51:22,720 --> 00:51:26,960
maintenance and and preventive

1177
00:51:24,200 --> 00:51:30,680
maintenance costs in theory to some

1178
00:51:26,960 --> 00:51:34,000
degree we basically had no filtration

1179
00:51:30,680 --> 00:51:36,960
system on the original pool it was

1180
00:51:34,000 --> 00:51:40,280
refilled every day it's our ability to

1181
00:51:36,960 --> 00:51:43,040
generate uh very large quantities of

1182
00:51:40,280 --> 00:51:45,680
high quality water at a very low

1183
00:51:43,040 --> 00:51:50,240
price uh

1184
00:51:45,680 --> 00:51:53,160
so some of that uh will be reduced but

1185
00:51:50,240 --> 00:51:54,599
this pool by its nature where you're

1186
00:51:53,160 --> 00:51:57,720
recirculating the water you do have

1187
00:51:54,599 --> 00:52:00,720
filtration systems better controls there

1188
00:51:57,720 --> 00:52:02,440
will be uh more of a maintenance issue

1189
00:52:00,720 --> 00:52:06,040
in terms of people

1190
00:52:02,440 --> 00:52:08,920
monitoring uh the systems

1191
00:52:06,040 --> 00:52:11,520
and uh again there will be some upkeep

1192
00:52:08,920 --> 00:52:14,400
on those systems to maintain the high

1193
00:52:11,520 --> 00:52:17,040
quality of water and uh the overall

1194
00:52:14,400 --> 00:52:17,040
character of the

1195
00:52:17,720 --> 00:52:21,960
facility I think um one thing I just

1196
00:52:20,000 --> 00:52:25,359
want to add just from going up there a

1197
00:52:21,960 --> 00:52:27,160
few times this past week um remember

1198
00:52:25,359 --> 00:52:30,760
that part of the project also had to do

1199
00:52:27,160 --> 00:52:33,480
with the lighting and the roadway and

1200
00:52:30,760 --> 00:52:36,240
parking access um it looks like there's

1201
00:52:33,480 --> 00:52:37,799
about 36 additional parking spots I I

1202
00:52:36,240 --> 00:52:39,720
was trying to count them as I was

1203
00:52:37,799 --> 00:52:42,920
walking so I didn't get an exact number

1204
00:52:39,720 --> 00:52:46,280
but um the lighting is going to really I

1205
00:52:42,920 --> 00:52:48,559
just feel very significantly um increase

1206
00:52:46,280 --> 00:52:51,079
some safety um at night time in that

1207
00:52:48,559 --> 00:52:53,559
part of the that I mean this is just me

1208
00:52:51,079 --> 00:52:55,720
anecdotally saying but I mean it looks

1209
00:52:53,559 --> 00:52:58,119
really great so I encourage folks to go

1210
00:52:55,720 --> 00:53:01,319
up there uh and check that out but I

1211
00:52:58,119 --> 00:53:03,200
just it's it's world class and me

1212
00:53:01,319 --> 00:53:06,079
there's no doubt when you see it and so

1213
00:53:03,200 --> 00:53:10,119
I just really I'm hoping that whatever

1214
00:53:06,079 --> 00:53:12,640
we can do security wise um will you know

1215
00:53:10,119 --> 00:53:15,559
help keep the the buildings the bath

1216
00:53:12,640 --> 00:53:17,480
house is just fabulous looking um I

1217
00:53:15,559 --> 00:53:19,160
won't be here tomorrow I mean everyone

1218
00:53:17,480 --> 00:53:20,960
knows that there is a it's tomorrow

1219
00:53:19,160 --> 00:53:23,400
morning I believe is the uh ribbon

1220
00:53:20,960 --> 00:53:27,079
cutting um so I hope that folks can get

1221
00:53:23,400 --> 00:53:29,599
up there uh for that as well

1222
00:53:27,079 --> 00:53:31,160
Mr Williams so I'd say two points one Mr

1223
00:53:29,599 --> 00:53:33,480
Mayor if you wouldn't mind speaking I've

1224
00:53:31,160 --> 00:53:35,240
heard myself I imagine it's the same for

1225
00:53:33,480 --> 00:53:37,920
the council members people have walked

1226
00:53:35,240 --> 00:53:38,920
up definitely uh laed at the new

1227
00:53:37,920 --> 00:53:41,240
facility that's going to be there and

1228
00:53:38,920 --> 00:53:43,799
like that's only parking there so I know

1229
00:53:41,240 --> 00:53:46,240
this is the first phase of the

1230
00:53:43,799 --> 00:53:48,480
reconfiguration of the park but then

1231
00:53:46,240 --> 00:53:50,119
second I wanted to just point out I know

1232
00:53:48,480 --> 00:53:52,640
there have been ongoing conversations

1233
00:53:50,119 --> 00:53:55,280
now about security I think part of it is

1234
00:53:52,640 --> 00:53:56,760
also challenging the community there are

1235
00:53:55,280 --> 00:53:58,839
often times comments of this this is why

1236
00:53:56,760 --> 00:54:00,200
we can't have nice things and I want to

1237
00:53:58,839 --> 00:54:02,240
ensure that there's also an equal

1238
00:54:00,200 --> 00:54:04,160
responsibility placed on our community

1239
00:54:02,240 --> 00:54:06,280
residents of we can continue to make

1240
00:54:04,160 --> 00:54:08,040
these Investments not only in our

1241
00:54:06,280 --> 00:54:09,760
Renovations of properties throughout the

1242
00:54:08,040 --> 00:54:12,480
building but also making sure that the

1243
00:54:09,760 --> 00:54:16,400
city is and remains economically viable

1244
00:54:12,480 --> 00:54:18,880
but if we are are chasing ourselves with

1245
00:54:16,400 --> 00:54:21,280
having additional costs such as

1246
00:54:18,880 --> 00:54:23,040
vandalism uh that makes it difficult to

1247
00:54:21,280 --> 00:54:24,640
continue these types of efforts so I

1248
00:54:23,040 --> 00:54:27,079
know that there are preventive ways to

1249
00:54:24,640 --> 00:54:30,079
go about that I E surance camp

1250
00:54:27,079 --> 00:54:33,160
and also with maybe increased police uh

1251
00:54:30,079 --> 00:54:37,480
um patrols throughout the area but but I

1252
00:54:33,160 --> 00:54:39,559
want to ensure to Mr um Farley's Point

1253
00:54:37,480 --> 00:54:41,559
let's let's see how it is and then

1254
00:54:39,559 --> 00:54:42,680
respond rather than putting in place

1255
00:54:41,559 --> 00:54:44,160
some safeguards that might not

1256
00:54:42,680 --> 00:54:46,359
necessarily be

1257
00:54:44,160 --> 00:54:48,440
needed yeah I think I think that's what

1258
00:54:46,359 --> 00:54:50,520
the mayor was um indicating in his

1259
00:54:48,440 --> 00:54:52,680
opening remarks that that would be what

1260
00:54:50,520 --> 00:54:55,440
we would be trying to do so I appreciate

1261
00:54:52,680 --> 00:54:56,920
Mr Carly and Mr William's following up

1262
00:54:55,440 --> 00:55:00,280
on that Mr

1263
00:54:56,920 --> 00:55:01,599
um and I'd like to up to you of course

1264
00:55:00,280 --> 00:55:03,599
your committee bring it back in two

1265
00:55:01,599 --> 00:55:06,359
weeks and think about how we're you know

1266
00:55:03,599 --> 00:55:08,319
my biggest concern is is is Mom or Dad

1267
00:55:06,359 --> 00:55:11,520
can't bring

1268
00:55:08,319 --> 00:55:14,720
me I'm Grandma's from out of town and

1269
00:55:11,520 --> 00:55:17,839
now she you know she so it's up to the

1270
00:55:14,720 --> 00:55:19,880
council you know to work on to decide on

1271
00:55:17,839 --> 00:55:22,920
how we're going to move forward with a

1272
00:55:19,880 --> 00:55:24,480
fe structure and and things like that

1273
00:55:22,920 --> 00:55:25,680
actually the free structure part of it

1274
00:55:24,480 --> 00:55:28,079
should really come out of the its

1275
00:55:25,680 --> 00:55:29,640
administrative function so they it's

1276
00:55:28,079 --> 00:55:31,520
like with the golf course they we don't

1277
00:55:29,640 --> 00:55:34,559
create the fees they come to us they

1278
00:55:31,520 --> 00:55:36,400
create the fees and then we say you know

1279
00:55:34,559 --> 00:55:38,160
yes or no so really it would be the

1280
00:55:36,400 --> 00:55:41,039
parks department we don't really have

1281
00:55:38,160 --> 00:55:43,640
the capacity to do that it would really

1282
00:55:41,039 --> 00:55:45,400
need to be the folks who work here on a

1283
00:55:43,640 --> 00:55:47,760
you know daily basis and you know

1284
00:55:45,400 --> 00:55:49,400
obviously we can provide suggestions but

1285
00:55:47,760 --> 00:55:52,480
creating the feast and all of that is

1286
00:55:49,400 --> 00:55:54,720
something that would it's administrative

1287
00:55:52,480 --> 00:55:56,559
function and how it's done with all the

1288
00:55:54,720 --> 00:55:57,720
other parts with the lifeguards with all

1289
00:55:56,559 --> 00:56:00,400
that

1290
00:55:57,720 --> 00:56:02,880
great other question well the end result

1291
00:56:00,400 --> 00:56:05,359
is solely the proog of the city council

1292
00:56:02,880 --> 00:56:08,839
so you know one example for this

1293
00:56:05,359 --> 00:56:12,079
swimming pool is it is now designed for

1294
00:56:08,839 --> 00:56:15,839
competitive swimming events

1295
00:56:12,079 --> 00:56:19,400
yeah those type of things may increase

1296
00:56:15,839 --> 00:56:23,319
our staffing costs or monitoring it so

1297
00:56:19,400 --> 00:56:26,640
do you want to have those free for City

1298
00:56:23,319 --> 00:56:28,400
students uh would there be a fee for for

1299
00:56:26,640 --> 00:56:32,960
any group that's coming in doing a

1300
00:56:28,400 --> 00:56:36,960
competitive swimming event uh do we only

1301
00:56:32,960 --> 00:56:38,280
charge people outside of the city so

1302
00:56:36,960 --> 00:56:41,200
there

1303
00:56:38,280 --> 00:56:43,680
are things there again in terms of a

1304
00:56:41,200 --> 00:56:46,000
policy decision solely the PRI of the

1305
00:56:43,680 --> 00:56:47,520
counsil the policy yes but like the fees

1306
00:56:46,000 --> 00:56:49,920
I don't know how we would you know or

1307
00:56:47,520 --> 00:56:51,559
even how to how to like do like with the

1308
00:56:49,920 --> 00:56:54,799
boys and girls club they came up with

1309
00:56:51,559 --> 00:56:56,880
the process of how people um show ID and

1310
00:56:54,799 --> 00:57:00,240
and how to do um and get get in so

1311
00:56:56,880 --> 00:57:03,599
because we hired them to uh to do that

1312
00:57:00,240 --> 00:57:04,799
so I would think I don't know there's um

1313
00:57:03,599 --> 00:57:06,319
I know there's not a Parks director

1314
00:57:04,799 --> 00:57:09,400
right now but I'm assuming there's other

1315
00:57:06,319 --> 00:57:13,559
staff that would still be able to um you

1316
00:57:09,400 --> 00:57:16,280
know provide us with some guide guidance

1317
00:57:13,559 --> 00:57:18,520
on where we start with this I I think

1318
00:57:16,280 --> 00:57:20,480
that's a good suggestion um especially

1319
00:57:18,520 --> 00:57:22,400
when we start talking about tournaments

1320
00:57:20,480 --> 00:57:25,599
um and what will happen because again

1321
00:57:22,400 --> 00:57:27,079
it's definitely set up for that um as

1322
00:57:25,599 --> 00:57:28,480
well so

1323
00:57:27,079 --> 00:57:31,200
that would be outstanding if we if we

1324
00:57:28,480 --> 00:57:32,520
could have 10 minutes I'd go wouldn't be

1325
00:57:31,200 --> 00:57:36,039
a be in

1326
00:57:32,520 --> 00:57:38,319
one so can we ask that um we get a

1327
00:57:36,039 --> 00:57:41,839
recommendation sure um around some of

1328
00:57:38,319 --> 00:57:44,079
these policies just like the tennis um

1329
00:57:41,839 --> 00:57:45,079
although it's not being enforced but it

1330
00:57:44,079 --> 00:57:47,240
will

1331
00:57:45,079 --> 00:57:50,559
be I think you all know how I feel about

1332
00:57:47,240 --> 00:57:52,400
the tennis uh fees so um yeah I think

1333
00:57:50,559 --> 00:57:55,079
that and the same with the golf I mean

1334
00:57:52,400 --> 00:57:58,599
we do get that presented to us um for

1335
00:57:55,079 --> 00:57:59,960
discussion and and approval so um is

1336
00:57:58,599 --> 00:58:04,440
that something that we

1337
00:57:59,960 --> 00:58:06,760
can okay thank you um Mr Farley just

1338
00:58:04,440 --> 00:58:08,440
what a good problem to have that we

1339
00:58:06,760 --> 00:58:10,039
having in this beautiful asset in the

1340
00:58:08,440 --> 00:58:13,440
middle of our city that's going to bring

1341
00:58:10,039 --> 00:58:15,559
people um to see how amazing our city is

1342
00:58:13,440 --> 00:58:16,799
so I just say it's good it's a good

1343
00:58:15,559 --> 00:58:18,440
problem to have I look forward to

1344
00:58:16,799 --> 00:58:21,599
working with the council to help figure

1345
00:58:18,440 --> 00:58:23,160
it out some good stuff I agree I agree

1346
00:58:21,599 --> 00:58:26,480
thank you is there any other business to

1347
00:58:23,160 --> 00:58:29,160
come for health and Recreation

1348
00:58:26,480 --> 00:58:32,280
okay i' look for a motion to adjourn Mo

1349
00:58:29,160 --> 00:58:32,280
so um

1350
00:58:32,359 --> 00:58:38,480
second second okay all in favor I all

1351
00:58:36,480 --> 00:58:40,160
thank you thank you I'd like to call the

1352
00:58:38,480 --> 00:58:43,280
order City development and planning we

1353
00:58:40,160 --> 00:58:46,680
have 14 items on the agenda the first

1354
00:58:43,280 --> 00:58:48,559
item is to issue the issuance of re

1355
00:58:46,680 --> 00:58:54,599
revocable permit number

1356
00:58:48,559 --> 00:58:54,599
685 to social Hospitality Group Mr wall

1357
00:58:57,079 --> 00:59:01,240
uh AP I left my packet on my desk so I'm

1358
00:58:59,680 --> 00:59:05,000
just going to go through from memory on

1359
00:59:01,240 --> 00:59:06,359
all these so the 685 social on state

1360
00:59:05,000 --> 00:59:08,920
that was a permit that was brought to

1361
00:59:06,359 --> 00:59:10,319
you previously about two sessions ago

1362
00:59:08,920 --> 00:59:12,520
however there were some discrepancies

1363
00:59:10,319 --> 00:59:14,480
between the applicant the insurance and

1364
00:59:12,520 --> 00:59:16,599
the property owner so we were working

1365
00:59:14,480 --> 00:59:20,000
with the property owner on making sure

1366
00:59:16,599 --> 00:59:23,359
that all what's that no I I'm wor about

1367
00:59:20,000 --> 00:59:25,799
this um and so now the applicant is the

1368
00:59:23,359 --> 00:59:27,720
owner and the names are the similar uh

1369
00:59:25,799 --> 00:59:29,599
as it's going to be on the insurance

1370
00:59:27,720 --> 00:59:32,359
which was the issue so we should be okay

1371
00:59:29,599 --> 00:59:35,520
with the issu of this per

1372
00:59:32,359 --> 00:59:39,280
now any

1373
00:59:35,520 --> 00:59:41,440
questions second all in favor I thank

1374
00:59:39,280 --> 00:59:44,119
you item number two the award and bid in

1375
00:59:41,440 --> 00:59:47,319
contract for the sment lake wall

1376
00:59:44,119 --> 00:59:50,200
restoration yep um this was a project

1377
00:59:47,319 --> 00:59:53,480
that is uh an ARA funded project as well

1378
00:59:50,200 --> 00:59:55,720
as a Sam Grant funded project um it is

1379
00:59:53,480 --> 00:59:58,839
for the restoration of the historic wall

1380
00:59:55,720 --> 01:00:00,280
at Park um the project was scoped

1381
00:59:58,839 --> 01:00:02,680
uniquely where the city will be

1382
01:00:00,280 --> 01:00:04,480
purchasing and providing the materials

1383
01:00:02,680 --> 01:00:08,520
and the contract is essentially for

1384
01:00:04,480 --> 01:00:10,960
labor only um so the idea is this uh the

1385
01:00:08,520 --> 01:00:13,640
company Jaan construction out of New

1386
01:00:10,960 --> 01:00:15,799
York um City they will be coming up and

1387
01:00:13,640 --> 01:00:18,960
Performing essentially masonry only work

1388
01:00:15,799 --> 01:00:21,960
to repoint um modify the wall repair the

1389
01:00:18,960 --> 01:00:24,280
wall and install pre-cast concrete caps

1390
01:00:21,960 --> 01:00:26,280
the city will purchase the pre-cast

1391
01:00:24,280 --> 01:00:29,160
concrete caps and then the uh needed

1392
01:00:26,280 --> 01:00:32,440
mortar and uh grout for the for the

1393
01:00:29,160 --> 01:00:34,160
project we did meet with them on site uh

1394
01:00:32,440 --> 01:00:38,000
we did call five references because we

1395
01:00:34,160 --> 01:00:39,520
weren't familiar with them and um they

1396
01:00:38,000 --> 01:00:40,839
seemed like they they had their act

1397
01:00:39,520 --> 01:00:43,400
together they have worked for other

1398
01:00:40,839 --> 01:00:45,559
state agencies um they are working in

1399
01:00:43,400 --> 01:00:48,880
almany right now um it's a small

1400
01:00:45,559 --> 01:00:50,520
family-owned company uh they are an MB

1401
01:00:48,880 --> 01:00:52,280
company and they're looking forward to

1402
01:00:50,520 --> 01:00:54,039
doing work in the city uh we actually

1403
01:00:52,280 --> 01:00:55,640
took them into account a couple areas to

1404
01:00:54,039 --> 01:00:58,960
look at other projects in the city

1405
01:00:55,640 --> 01:01:00,680
because to have uh Masons is something

1406
01:00:58,960 --> 01:01:03,280
that is a skill that we we're looking

1407
01:01:00,680 --> 01:01:05,119
for for this kind of stuff so we're

1408
01:01:03,280 --> 01:01:06,359
comfortable awarding it the price was

1409
01:01:05,119 --> 01:01:09,440
competitive

1410
01:01:06,359 --> 01:01:13,039
and we'll see and this money is already

1411
01:01:09,440 --> 01:01:15,480
in the ARA line for this

1412
01:01:13,039 --> 01:01:16,880
project um Mr well can you just tell us

1413
01:01:15,480 --> 01:01:18,960
a little bit about the timeline for this

1414
01:01:16,880 --> 01:01:21,039
work well the timeline they are ready to

1415
01:01:18,960 --> 01:01:22,319
go because they're labor only so what

1416
01:01:21,039 --> 01:01:25,480
we're doing right now is I'm working

1417
01:01:22,319 --> 01:01:27,599
with Sarah and purchasing on the caps

1418
01:01:25,480 --> 01:01:31,440
but we were were concerned about was the

1419
01:01:27,599 --> 01:01:33,559
costs we didn't want to order 420 caps

1420
01:01:31,440 --> 01:01:36,039
and then this number come in out of

1421
01:01:33,559 --> 01:01:38,880
budget and then we have caps and no

1422
01:01:36,039 --> 01:01:40,400
labor so uh we wanted to try to get it

1423
01:01:38,880 --> 01:01:42,440
so we have this number we already had

1424
01:01:40,400 --> 01:01:44,480
the quotes from a local company that

1425
01:01:42,440 --> 01:01:47,799
specializes in pre-cast and we don't

1426
01:01:44,480 --> 01:01:49,599
need 420 caps tomorrow we just need them

1427
01:01:47,799 --> 01:01:52,520
to start making the Caps so Sarah's

1428
01:01:49,599 --> 01:01:55,240
already contacted their person uh

1429
01:01:52,520 --> 01:01:57,400
earlier last later last week about

1430
01:01:55,240 --> 01:01:59,720
getting in the caps and then the other

1431
01:01:57,400 --> 01:02:01,480
materials are common shell materials so

1432
01:01:59,720 --> 01:02:03,680
right now we're just waiting on the

1433
01:02:01,480 --> 01:02:05,160
caps but I I don't have a schedule we're

1434
01:02:03,680 --> 01:02:06,599
hoping fall I don't think this is a

1435
01:02:05,160 --> 01:02:08,720
project you want to do in the dead of

1436
01:02:06,599 --> 01:02:10,599
the summer because you know you're

1437
01:02:08,720 --> 01:02:11,440
exposed you're out and uh I don't I

1438
01:02:10,599 --> 01:02:13,440
don't think you know you want to do

1439
01:02:11,440 --> 01:02:14,799
something more 100 but if we can get

1440
01:02:13,440 --> 01:02:17,279
some of the caps on we're going to store

1441
01:02:14,799 --> 01:02:20,079
the Caps uh right next to C and's yard

1442
01:02:17,279 --> 01:02:22,160
there uh in stamus and then just start

1443
01:02:20,079 --> 01:02:24,039
picking away at the and working forward

1444
01:02:22,160 --> 01:02:25,520
they anticipate once they start it's

1445
01:02:24,039 --> 01:02:29,279
going to be around probably I think a 6

1446
01:02:25,520 --> 01:02:31,839
week projects for okay so

1447
01:02:29,279 --> 01:02:35,960
thank any other

1448
01:02:31,839 --> 01:02:39,400
questions a motion so second all in

1449
01:02:35,960 --> 01:02:41,960
favor I item number three award and bid

1450
01:02:39,400 --> 01:02:44,599
and award bidden contract for the north

1451
01:02:41,960 --> 01:02:47,319
Fairy Street Pump Station exterior so

1452
01:02:44,599 --> 01:02:48,720
this is another uh arpa funed project so

1453
01:02:47,319 --> 01:02:51,520
as you're aware we have a new North

1454
01:02:48,720 --> 01:02:53,400
fairy Pump Station uh that is put the

1455
01:02:51,520 --> 01:02:56,160
existing or the previous North FY Pump

1456
01:02:53,400 --> 01:02:58,119
Station uh as essentially abandoned City

1457
01:02:56,160 --> 01:02:59,799
facility the building is historically

1458
01:02:58,119 --> 01:03:02,039
significant and there was money approved

1459
01:02:59,799 --> 01:03:05,359
to make sure that it does not get into a

1460
01:03:02,039 --> 01:03:07,839
state of disrepair um the building is

1461
01:03:05,359 --> 01:03:09,319
okay presently but it's not great so

1462
01:03:07,839 --> 01:03:10,880
what the funding for this building is

1463
01:03:09,319 --> 01:03:12,680
essentially seal the envelope we're

1464
01:03:10,880 --> 01:03:14,480
going to be doing the windows similar

1465
01:03:12,680 --> 01:03:16,200
that we did at City Hall removing the

1466
01:03:14,480 --> 01:03:18,720
windows restoring the windows replacing

1467
01:03:16,200 --> 01:03:20,440
any Rock uh reglazing the glass putting

1468
01:03:18,720 --> 01:03:22,680
them back we're going to be replacing

1469
01:03:20,440 --> 01:03:24,839
the roof um the reason for the roof is

1470
01:03:22,680 --> 01:03:26,279
that the roof right now has over a dozen

1471
01:03:24,839 --> 01:03:29,039
penetrations for

1472
01:03:26,279 --> 01:03:30,599
various Vents and systems to come

1473
01:03:29,039 --> 01:03:32,440
through because it was a pump house we

1474
01:03:30,599 --> 01:03:35,440
have the vent we're going to remove all

1475
01:03:32,440 --> 01:03:37,559
of those vents fill in where we can with

1476
01:03:35,440 --> 01:03:39,760
uh concrete and steel and masonry and

1477
01:03:37,559 --> 01:03:41,839
then do one flat roof with no

1478
01:03:39,760 --> 01:03:43,240
penetrations so that will really seal

1479
01:03:41,839 --> 01:03:45,200
the roof off a lot better to go to the

1480
01:03:43,240 --> 01:03:47,359
parit we're going to remove all of the

1481
01:03:45,200 --> 01:03:48,920
stucco from the building cuz if you look

1482
01:03:47,359 --> 01:03:51,319
at the building the building is a series

1483
01:03:48,920 --> 01:03:53,119
of Patchwork cuz stule was put on in

1484
01:03:51,319 --> 01:03:56,559
various years so we're going to remove

1485
01:03:53,119 --> 01:03:58,760
all of the stucco down to the block and

1486
01:03:56,559 --> 01:04:01,240
then redo the stucco paint the building

1487
01:03:58,760 --> 01:04:03,279
so it'll look from the outside like a

1488
01:04:01,240 --> 01:04:04,960
preserved building the inside is a

1489
01:04:03,279 --> 01:04:07,119
different story but from the outside

1490
01:04:04,960 --> 01:04:08,960
it'll be weather tight and preserved and

1491
01:04:07,119 --> 01:04:11,160
I know that the Stockade Association is

1492
01:04:08,960 --> 01:04:13,240
working on lining up funding to try to

1493
01:04:11,160 --> 01:04:15,920
address the interior of the building but

1494
01:04:13,240 --> 01:04:17,960
this money is for the exterior of the

1495
01:04:15,920 --> 01:04:19,799
building have we already done some work

1496
01:04:17,960 --> 01:04:22,880
on this and started this process anywh

1497
01:04:19,799 --> 01:04:24,880
all in the exterior no not not to M out

1498
01:04:22,880 --> 01:04:26,319
Paul might have years ago but to M out

1499
01:04:24,880 --> 01:04:28,440
no it's just

1500
01:04:26,319 --> 01:04:30,319
it's there it's just a building and once

1501
01:04:28,440 --> 01:04:31,839
again is one of the tricky situations

1502
01:04:30,319 --> 01:04:34,319
that we're trying to work with Stockade

1503
01:04:31,839 --> 01:04:36,039
is the reason that we built a new

1504
01:04:34,319 --> 01:04:38,279
building where one of the many reasons

1505
01:04:36,039 --> 01:04:41,039
was is that that building was determined

1506
01:04:38,279 --> 01:04:42,920
to not be um cost effective to flood

1507
01:04:41,039 --> 01:04:45,319
proof because it is in the flood plane

1508
01:04:42,920 --> 01:04:48,680
so we built a new building that is flood

1509
01:04:45,319 --> 01:04:50,520
resilient um so this is fine and I know

1510
01:04:48,680 --> 01:04:52,160
that we haven't had any issues there but

1511
01:04:50,520 --> 01:04:54,680
making significant investments into the

1512
01:04:52,160 --> 01:04:56,960
building will be a complex subject going

1513
01:04:54,680 --> 01:04:58,039
forward because that is why we abandoned

1514
01:04:56,960 --> 01:05:02,160
the

1515
01:04:58,039 --> 01:05:06,680
building okay any any questions all

1516
01:05:02,160 --> 01:05:11,079
right motion some second all in favor I

1517
01:05:06,680 --> 01:05:12,720
thank you and uh the fourth item is city

1518
01:05:11,079 --> 01:05:15,559
council to assume role of Seeker lead

1519
01:05:12,720 --> 01:05:17,000
Agency for the mobile haror I have a

1520
01:05:15,559 --> 01:05:18,359
quick I'll try to make a brief this

1521
01:05:17,000 --> 01:05:19,880
presentation to just show you where we

1522
01:05:18,359 --> 01:05:24,440
are with this because it's part of the

1523
01:05:19,880 --> 01:05:24,440
process okay sure

1524
01:05:39,760 --> 01:05:44,160
okay so I don't know how many of you are

1525
01:05:42,799 --> 01:05:45,680
aware of this project I'm sure you're

1526
01:05:44,160 --> 01:05:48,760
all aware of in some part of you but it

1527
01:05:45,680 --> 01:05:52,200
is a rather older project um that was

1528
01:05:48,760 --> 01:05:54,079
done preo and it is something that we

1529
01:05:52,200 --> 01:05:56,160
have been pushing along slow and

1530
01:05:54,079 --> 01:05:59,039
steadily since then du of all the

1531
01:05:56,160 --> 01:06:01,599
development really at Mohawk Harbor so

1532
01:05:59,039 --> 01:06:03,200
um just to go through I I'll be quicker

1533
01:06:01,599 --> 01:06:04,760
than this but we're going to I'm

1534
01:06:03,200 --> 01:06:07,079
presenting it here I'm hoping to catch

1535
01:06:04,760 --> 01:06:08,440
some publicity from possibly the the

1536
01:06:07,079 --> 01:06:09,880
paper just to get it out there what

1537
01:06:08,440 --> 01:06:11,720
we're doing we're going to have a public

1538
01:06:09,880 --> 01:06:14,680
meeting next week at the Landing which

1539
01:06:11,720 --> 01:06:16,520
is an official public meeting uh and

1540
01:06:14,680 --> 01:06:17,720
then hopefully from there you know we'll

1541
01:06:16,520 --> 01:06:20,160
get some input and then we're just going

1542
01:06:17,720 --> 01:06:22,920
to move forward with the process um of

1543
01:06:20,160 --> 01:06:26,119
the project so the overview is um the

1544
01:06:22,920 --> 01:06:28,520
city received CFA Grant in 2019

1545
01:06:26,119 --> 01:06:31,599
for the creation of a dot gameway in

1546
01:06:28,520 --> 01:06:33,880
Plaza with path so it says um the idea

1547
01:06:31,599 --> 01:06:35,319
was to create an access point to the

1548
01:06:33,880 --> 01:06:36,799
river I don't know if many people

1549
01:06:35,319 --> 01:06:38,960
realize it but even though we are a

1550
01:06:36,799 --> 01:06:41,480
river front Community we do not have any

1551
01:06:38,960 --> 01:06:43,559
docks or points of access to the river

1552
01:06:41,480 --> 01:06:45,520
other than the parks so it's kind of

1553
01:06:43,559 --> 01:06:47,599
unique when you go to other uh Riverside

1554
01:06:45,520 --> 01:06:50,520
communities they usually have docks and

1555
01:06:47,599 --> 01:06:52,440
we do not um there was a talk um several

1556
01:06:50,520 --> 01:06:55,960
years ago um about putting a dock in

1557
01:06:52,440 --> 01:06:57,240
Riverside Park but uh the ended up being

1558
01:06:55,960 --> 01:06:59,680
controversial people didn't want the

1559
01:06:57,240 --> 01:07:01,599
idea of a DOT down there so this is a

1560
01:06:59,680 --> 01:07:03,559
DOT with an Upland Plaza and I will'll

1561
01:07:01,599 --> 01:07:06,119
get into the location a little bit right

1562
01:07:03,559 --> 01:07:08,319
here you'll see the location is we have

1563
01:07:06,119 --> 01:07:10,520
uh an arena we have the future hotel

1564
01:07:08,319 --> 01:07:12,240
which is improved um parking lot would

1565
01:07:10,520 --> 01:07:14,680
be here parking lot Arena and then that

1566
01:07:12,240 --> 01:07:17,680
is our Plaza and those are our docks and

1567
01:07:14,680 --> 01:07:19,039
that is the RPI research facility so as

1568
01:07:17,680 --> 01:07:22,119
I'll get into in a little bit there's a

1569
01:07:19,039 --> 01:07:26,839
reason for all the delay um the project

1570
01:07:22,119 --> 01:07:29,720
2016 we put in some access 20 20 we got

1571
01:07:26,839 --> 01:07:32,319
the grants with the skincity match of

1572
01:07:29,720 --> 01:07:35,559
15% um that's typical on these kind of

1573
01:07:32,319 --> 01:07:38,160
projects you know 80 155s City released

1574
01:07:35,559 --> 01:07:40,240
to design an RFP in 2021 after Co

1575
01:07:38,160 --> 01:07:42,400
working with MJ and what's called

1576
01:07:40,240 --> 01:07:43,960
waterfront Solutions so MJ is

1577
01:07:42,400 --> 01:07:45,359
essentially handling all the Civil work

1578
01:07:43,960 --> 01:07:47,319
and then Waterfront Solutions is

1579
01:07:45,359 --> 01:07:51,319
handling the dot work they're a DOT

1580
01:07:47,319 --> 01:07:53,359
company they also did the harbor for G

1581
01:07:51,319 --> 01:07:56,880
um did a bath metric survey that is a

1582
01:07:53,359 --> 01:07:59,480
survey of the riverbed uh 2022 the

1583
01:07:56,880 --> 01:08:01,640
project was paused and that was we we

1584
01:07:59,480 --> 01:08:03,480
rushed we got to a point and then it was

1585
01:08:01,640 --> 01:08:05,079
Aquatic Center it was like okay where's

1586
01:08:03,480 --> 01:08:06,520
the Aquatic Center going to go and it

1587
01:08:05,079 --> 01:08:08,720
was never mind not an aquatic center

1588
01:08:06,520 --> 01:08:12,200
arena it's like okay where's the arena

1589
01:08:08,720 --> 01:08:14,720
going to go so we actually had a spot uh

1590
01:08:12,200 --> 01:08:16,080
picked out and and in South there I can

1591
01:08:14,720 --> 01:08:20,359
show you where we actually were going to

1592
01:08:16,080 --> 01:08:22,480
put the the docks here MH um and we had

1593
01:08:20,359 --> 01:08:24,199
a plan laid out and then the arena came

1594
01:08:22,480 --> 01:08:26,080
forward and it was weight and so we

1595
01:08:24,199 --> 01:08:28,159
didn't want to move it anymore so we

1596
01:08:26,080 --> 01:08:31,199
waited until planning approval and

1597
01:08:28,159 --> 01:08:33,480
everything was set with the arena and

1598
01:08:31,199 --> 01:08:36,640
then we found a nice little spot in the

1599
01:08:33,480 --> 01:08:38,880
middle the Nic thing about this location

1600
01:08:36,640 --> 01:08:41,199
is that we are by a turnaround we're by

1601
01:08:38,880 --> 01:08:42,799
parking the glassy group has said that

1602
01:08:41,199 --> 01:08:44,440
that would be public parking they will

1603
01:08:42,799 --> 01:08:46,199
allow people during the day to park

1604
01:08:44,440 --> 01:08:47,759
there uh you know not event

1605
01:08:46,199 --> 01:08:50,679
notwithstanding but you know there

1606
01:08:47,759 --> 01:08:52,560
probably won't be event 24/7 and we are

1607
01:08:50,679 --> 01:08:55,759
directly adjacent to the ALCO Heritage

1608
01:08:52,560 --> 01:08:58,040
Trail so this will both be a overlook on

1609
01:08:55,759 --> 01:09:00,640
the trail and the landing and we'll have

1610
01:08:58,040 --> 01:09:02,120
parking and a drop off um you know be

1611
01:09:00,640 --> 01:09:04,159
honest this has to be publicly

1612
01:09:02,120 --> 01:09:06,719
accessible and probably get into that

1613
01:09:04,159 --> 01:09:10,199
but people who know the area I do not

1614
01:09:06,719 --> 01:09:12,719
see this going to be a full access dock

1615
01:09:10,199 --> 01:09:14,799
for recreational purposes the reason

1616
01:09:12,719 --> 01:09:16,880
being is at the gang way the gang way is

1617
01:09:14,799 --> 01:09:19,080
going to be quite long to get down from

1618
01:09:16,880 --> 01:09:20,400
the shore to the water and across the

1619
01:09:19,080 --> 01:09:23,000
street by the lighthouse if you're

1620
01:09:20,400 --> 01:09:25,040
familiar with the area it's the easiest

1621
01:09:23,000 --> 01:09:28,040
launch in the area there's nothing

1622
01:09:25,040 --> 01:09:30,040
easier that you park you launch it's 10

1623
01:09:28,040 --> 01:09:31,560
ft you don't go down the gameway so I

1624
01:09:30,040 --> 01:09:33,040
think that for people wanting to see the

1625
01:09:31,560 --> 01:09:35,040
river and be involved and be by the

1626
01:09:33,040 --> 01:09:36,279
water and fishing and all that but I

1627
01:09:35,040 --> 01:09:38,839
really don't think that people will

1628
01:09:36,279 --> 01:09:40,440
kayak and hip their kayaks down and

1629
01:09:38,839 --> 01:09:43,040
things like that unless it's for the

1630
01:09:40,440 --> 01:09:45,960
novelty of it because it is it is a

1631
01:09:43,040 --> 01:09:47,359
slope um so the project the one stage

1632
01:09:45,960 --> 01:09:49,040
like we said is the plaza which we're

1633
01:09:47,359 --> 01:09:51,839
calling the plaza or the landing it's

1634
01:09:49,040 --> 01:09:54,000
small 5,000 ft it will have lights it

1635
01:09:51,839 --> 01:09:56,000
will have signs benches we are looking

1636
01:09:54,000 --> 01:09:57,960
at very uh attractive welcome this

1637
01:09:56,000 --> 01:10:00,600
connec because you have to understand

1638
01:09:57,960 --> 01:10:02,679
that this is going to be now a new

1639
01:10:00,600 --> 01:10:04,800
entrance way for the city this is going

1640
01:10:02,679 --> 01:10:06,159
to be a Gateway we are looking at you

1641
01:10:04,800 --> 01:10:07,920
know people who are called the Loopers

1642
01:10:06,159 --> 01:10:09,120
who come from all around the country

1643
01:10:07,920 --> 01:10:11,560
this is going to be allowing them to

1644
01:10:09,120 --> 01:10:14,520
stop and go to SKC so we really want to

1645
01:10:11,560 --> 01:10:16,440
make sure that we have a nice anchored

1646
01:10:14,520 --> 01:10:18,199
site here that shows you where they are

1647
01:10:16,440 --> 01:10:19,640
also we are talking with a Riverfront

1648
01:10:18,199 --> 01:10:22,360
Cruise company that does small

1649
01:10:19,640 --> 01:10:24,719
Riverfront cruises of 40 people on boats

1650
01:10:22,360 --> 01:10:26,560
you know we limited by the locks so they

1651
01:10:24,719 --> 01:10:27,760
would come in so this this is something

1652
01:10:26,560 --> 01:10:29,400
that's important we're trying to make

1653
01:10:27,760 --> 01:10:31,480
sure that we're working and we're also

1654
01:10:29,400 --> 01:10:33,280
incorporating this into our drri WF

1655
01:10:31,480 --> 01:10:35,360
finding because that also is going to

1656
01:10:33,280 --> 01:10:36,840
connect to downtown so there's a lot of

1657
01:10:35,360 --> 01:10:38,920
irons in the fire with this this will

1658
01:10:36,840 --> 01:10:41,120
have water and this will have sanitary

1659
01:10:38,920 --> 01:10:42,440
we are not getting into fuel fueling is

1660
01:10:41,120 --> 01:10:44,120
a whole other animal we're going to

1661
01:10:42,440 --> 01:10:46,640
allow the yacht club in places like that

1662
01:10:44,120 --> 01:10:49,760
to handle fuel uh parking we say we'll

1663
01:10:46,640 --> 01:10:52,280
be at the um there's a better idea you

1664
01:10:49,760 --> 01:10:54,679
see the passenger drop off the trail and

1665
01:10:52,280 --> 01:10:55,920
then the um the area itself we are going

1666
01:10:54,679 --> 01:10:58,000
to have a Elric

1667
01:10:55,920 --> 01:11:00,400
going to a large Transformer we'll try

1668
01:10:58,000 --> 01:11:01,920
to landscape that make it as pretty as

1669
01:11:00,400 --> 01:11:03,520
possible these are some of the things

1670
01:11:01,920 --> 01:11:05,600
that we were looking at you know just to

1671
01:11:03,520 --> 01:11:07,080
say venges that we are actually moving

1672
01:11:05,600 --> 01:11:08,600
away from the arch but they took a

1673
01:11:07,080 --> 01:11:10,840
picture of it we are moving away from

1674
01:11:08,600 --> 01:11:14,960
the arch style um one of the things to

1675
01:11:10,840 --> 01:11:18,400
point out is uh this one right here uh

1676
01:11:14,960 --> 01:11:20,360
I've been to marinas before uh with my

1677
01:11:18,400 --> 01:11:22,040
family and that is something that we are

1678
01:11:20,360 --> 01:11:25,080
going to have to talk about and discuss

1679
01:11:22,040 --> 01:11:28,000
going forward is what is public access

1680
01:11:25,080 --> 01:11:31,199
what is not Public Access I'm proposing

1681
01:11:28,000 --> 01:11:33,920
that the docks are publicly available

1682
01:11:31,199 --> 01:11:37,120
from a time to a time and that it is

1683
01:11:33,920 --> 01:11:40,639
posted and that after a certain time it

1684
01:11:37,120 --> 01:11:42,360
could be sun down most likely uh the

1685
01:11:40,639 --> 01:11:45,000
gate is locked and if you have a boat

1686
01:11:42,360 --> 01:11:46,480
there you're have a code because one of

1687
01:11:45,000 --> 01:11:48,159
the things that you're going to see is

1688
01:11:46,480 --> 01:11:50,719
if you actually look at the river

1689
01:11:48,159 --> 01:11:53,239
sometimes you will see million dollar

1690
01:11:50,719 --> 01:11:55,000
boats multi-million dollar boats and we

1691
01:11:53,239 --> 01:11:56,480
want to make it a safe environment that

1692
01:11:55,000 --> 01:11:58,840
someone he feels and the voting

1693
01:11:56,480 --> 01:12:00,639
Community is a very tight Community

1694
01:11:58,840 --> 01:12:03,679
especially with internet social media

1695
01:12:00,639 --> 01:12:06,080
forums uh we really are looking for it's

1696
01:12:03,679 --> 01:12:07,840
open it's signed it's a public amenity

1697
01:12:06,080 --> 01:12:09,080
and the sunlight come on down and then

1698
01:12:07,840 --> 01:12:11,480
at night time you know what we're going

1699
01:12:09,080 --> 01:12:13,120
to close it off you don't want people

1700
01:12:11,480 --> 01:12:14,800
you know down on the docks it is a

1701
01:12:13,120 --> 01:12:16,639
little tough to see we are going to have

1702
01:12:14,800 --> 01:12:18,480
cameras and security we're are working

1703
01:12:16,639 --> 01:12:20,120
at getting a dock management company but

1704
01:12:18,480 --> 01:12:22,840
I just don't want you to think that is

1705
01:12:20,120 --> 01:12:25,320
something that we're looking at is U and

1706
01:12:22,840 --> 01:12:28,960
it's very common at commercial marine

1707
01:12:25,320 --> 01:12:30,440
with this type of b um so the project

1708
01:12:28,960 --> 01:12:31,560
just say it's two projects it's two

1709
01:12:30,440 --> 01:12:34,719
contracts that's what we're saying it's

1710
01:12:31,560 --> 01:12:35,960
a dock and it's a plaza so they're Ed

1711
01:12:34,719 --> 01:12:38,320
differently they'll have to be

1712
01:12:35,960 --> 01:12:40,679
progressed differently so we've already

1713
01:12:38,320 --> 01:12:42,120
talked with the permitting we've got a

1714
01:12:40,679 --> 01:12:43,760
lot of the permitting done this is the

1715
01:12:42,120 --> 01:12:45,360
sear portion we're now going to reach

1716
01:12:43,760 --> 01:12:46,679
out to all the involved agencies and

1717
01:12:45,360 --> 01:12:49,199
talk to them about making sure that

1718
01:12:46,679 --> 01:12:51,520
they're okay with it we have a stamp

1719
01:12:49,199 --> 01:12:53,480
plans uh right now we're just going

1720
01:12:51,520 --> 01:12:56,280
through all of the finals on it with the

1721
01:12:53,480 --> 01:12:58,360
doc company um and and then we'll be

1722
01:12:56,280 --> 01:13:00,440
done with seeker and then hopefully we

1723
01:12:58,360 --> 01:13:02,800
issue a declaration later this year and

1724
01:13:00,440 --> 01:13:04,639
then we're out to bid like it says in

1725
01:13:02,800 --> 01:13:06,320
August we look in August we're going to

1726
01:13:04,639 --> 01:13:09,120
have a lot of manufacturing time because

1727
01:13:06,320 --> 01:13:10,920
these are custom very large docks uh and

1728
01:13:09,120 --> 01:13:14,600
then as it shows doc delivery and Doc

1729
01:13:10,920 --> 01:13:16,440
construction of next year we are one of

1730
01:13:14,600 --> 01:13:19,000
the things just to also point out is we

1731
01:13:16,440 --> 01:13:20,719
are struggling right now with schedule

1732
01:13:19,000 --> 01:13:22,880
and when docs go in and when they

1733
01:13:20,719 --> 01:13:27,159
wouldn't go in we are looking at if we

1734
01:13:22,880 --> 01:13:28,800
can get docks in in this June July time

1735
01:13:27,159 --> 01:13:30,920
frame it might make it worth it to put

1736
01:13:28,800 --> 01:13:32,400
them in next year the arena will be

1737
01:13:30,920 --> 01:13:34,800
substantially complete we're going to be

1738
01:13:32,400 --> 01:13:37,520
working inside but we do not want to put

1739
01:13:34,800 --> 01:13:39,000
docks in towards the end of the season

1740
01:13:37,520 --> 01:13:41,679
because it's a lot of work to put them

1741
01:13:39,000 --> 01:13:43,920
in you're using them for 3 weeks then we

1742
01:13:41,679 --> 01:13:45,920
close so the timing of it is fluid of

1743
01:13:43,920 --> 01:13:48,440
when we're really going to get it in uh

1744
01:13:45,920 --> 01:13:50,480
the plaza similarly Plaza a lot of this

1745
01:13:48,440 --> 01:13:52,440
is going to be uh driven by the arena

1746
01:13:50,480 --> 01:13:54,320
which is adjacent CU we don't want to

1747
01:13:52,440 --> 01:13:56,080
build a plaza and have a construction

1748
01:13:54,320 --> 01:13:59,480
site around it like to do and the hotel

1749
01:13:56,080 --> 01:14:01,320
hasn't even started yet so we have

1750
01:13:59,480 --> 01:14:03,480
bi-weekly coordination meetings with

1751
01:14:01,320 --> 01:14:06,040
gesi and the hotel and these are the

1752
01:14:03,480 --> 01:14:07,679
things that we're tracking so right now

1753
01:14:06,040 --> 01:14:09,000
it's a similar path but this doesn't

1754
01:14:07,679 --> 01:14:11,920
have as long as the lead time is

1755
01:14:09,000 --> 01:14:14,679
constructing of a dock uh and then I

1756
01:14:11,920 --> 01:14:15,760
guess in conclusion I guess is just want

1757
01:14:14,679 --> 01:14:18,239
to get out there that we're going to

1758
01:14:15,760 --> 01:14:20,320
have a public meeting Wednesday the 26th

1759
01:14:18,239 --> 01:14:21,639
4:30 at the Landing Hotel we chose the

1760
01:14:20,320 --> 01:14:24,120
Landing Hotel because we were looking

1761
01:14:21,639 --> 01:14:25,600
for a place on site somewhere we're

1762
01:14:24,120 --> 01:14:27,360
trying to get people inv well the

1763
01:14:25,600 --> 01:14:29,960
problem with a project like this is It's

1764
01:14:27,360 --> 01:14:31,280
essentially for transient people um you

1765
01:14:29,960 --> 01:14:33,920
know the people that will be using the

1766
01:14:31,280 --> 01:14:35,840
facility the most are not residents uh

1767
01:14:33,920 --> 01:14:37,560
residents will use it for fishing and

1768
01:14:35,840 --> 01:14:39,400
things like that but we do want to hear

1769
01:14:37,560 --> 01:14:42,320
from people so we're looking at having a

1770
01:14:39,400 --> 01:14:45,679
public meeting uh on 4:30 uh at the

1771
01:14:42,320 --> 01:14:47,480
landing and then um like I said I think

1772
01:14:45,679 --> 01:14:50,199
it's a great project it has a lot of

1773
01:14:47,480 --> 01:14:51,520
fingers into everything else um and I'm

1774
01:14:50,199 --> 01:14:53,239
looking forward to getting people's

1775
01:14:51,520 --> 01:14:56,840
comments

1776
01:14:53,239 --> 01:14:59,880
on I the other thing that is is

1777
01:14:56,840 --> 01:15:03,480
expandable um 360 ft is what we can

1778
01:14:59,880 --> 01:15:06,320
afford today if we find that the amenity

1779
01:15:03,480 --> 01:15:09,239
is used and utilized we'll have to look

1780
01:15:06,320 --> 01:15:11,760
at expanding uh the do you can't expand

1781
01:15:09,239 --> 01:15:13,280
it uh to the north of

1782
01:15:11,760 --> 01:15:16,280
the

1783
01:15:13,280 --> 01:15:16,280
so

1784
01:15:17,040 --> 01:15:20,480
questions I think it's a terrific

1785
01:15:19,080 --> 01:15:22,120
project I mean I think it's something

1786
01:15:20,480 --> 01:15:24,520
that we've been waiting for you know in

1787
01:15:22,120 --> 01:15:27,800
terms of the initial design of the

1788
01:15:24,520 --> 01:15:29,639
entire Mohawk Harbor and um I'm excited

1789
01:15:27,800 --> 01:15:31,040
I'm very excited about it so looking

1790
01:15:29,639 --> 01:15:33,239
forward to seeing its completion and

1791
01:15:31,040 --> 01:15:34,880
there might be people in the apartments

1792
01:15:33,239 --> 01:15:38,320
down there that might want some of the

1793
01:15:34,880 --> 01:15:39,960
dog space that are residents in other Y

1794
01:15:38,320 --> 01:15:41,800
and so we were going to have the meeting

1795
01:15:39,960 --> 01:15:43,199
in the harbor house but we thought if we

1796
01:15:41,800 --> 01:15:44,560
had it there it would be too convenient

1797
01:15:43,199 --> 01:15:47,679
and we would overwhelm their community

1798
01:15:44,560 --> 01:15:50,120
room so um our our partner our friends

1799
01:15:47,679 --> 01:15:52,360
at gassie and Metroplex we're arranging

1800
01:15:50,120 --> 01:15:54,560
the the uh the hotel which has a larger

1801
01:15:52,360 --> 01:15:56,239
space for us to be able to use and this

1802
01:15:54,560 --> 01:15:57,960
is really going to be a partnership

1803
01:15:56,239 --> 01:16:00,440
project unique to what we've ever done

1804
01:15:57,960 --> 01:16:02,639
because the the city will be the owner

1805
01:16:00,440 --> 01:16:04,400
of the Docks but we already have a

1806
01:16:02,639 --> 01:16:06,639
memorandum of understanding with the

1807
01:16:04,400 --> 01:16:08,400
with the gesi group to help you know

1808
01:16:06,639 --> 01:16:10,000
operate the docks we're going to have to

1809
01:16:08,400 --> 01:16:11,360
store the docks these docks cannot be

1810
01:16:10,000 --> 01:16:13,880
out in the winter time they'll be

1811
01:16:11,360 --> 01:16:17,120
floated and stored uh within the harbor

1812
01:16:13,880 --> 01:16:19,000
we're believing um you know we have uh

1813
01:16:17,120 --> 01:16:20,719
the Dr that we're working on I can said

1814
01:16:19,000 --> 01:16:23,120
Danielle's here for you know show the

1815
01:16:20,719 --> 01:16:26,120
support of Metroplex uh with these

1816
01:16:23,120 --> 01:16:28,320
projects and uh I we really think that

1817
01:16:26,120 --> 01:16:30,080
it could be a great way to just promote

1818
01:16:28,320 --> 01:16:32,520
the city to the Waterfront Community

1819
01:16:30,080 --> 01:16:34,639
because we're just very uniquely we're

1820
01:16:32,520 --> 01:16:36,920
uniquely positioned on both the river

1821
01:16:34,639 --> 01:16:39,400
and the bike path and this is the river

1822
01:16:36,920 --> 01:16:40,920
and the bike path together

1823
01:16:39,400 --> 01:16:43,520
so

1824
01:16:40,920 --> 01:16:47,199
great s are you anticipating any

1825
01:16:43,520 --> 01:16:48,520
concerns from the public um I not I I

1826
01:16:47,199 --> 01:16:50,679
really don't

1827
01:16:48,520 --> 01:16:52,880
have because of the way everything came

1828
01:16:50,679 --> 01:16:54,639
together uh the original plan like I

1829
01:16:52,880 --> 01:16:56,400
showed you when we were a little more

1830
01:16:54,639 --> 01:16:58,159
the parking was a little farther away

1831
01:16:56,400 --> 01:17:00,440
the path was a little longer things were

1832
01:16:58,159 --> 01:17:02,880
a little bit but with the the new spot

1833
01:17:00,440 --> 01:17:04,000
where we are with the drop off in the

1834
01:17:02,880 --> 01:17:06,840
parking and the way it kind of

1835
01:17:04,000 --> 01:17:09,639
integrates into the site I I I really

1836
01:17:06,840 --> 01:17:11,800
think it's a it's a win I really like it

1837
01:17:09,639 --> 01:17:12,719
um I don't see what people would I

1838
01:17:11,800 --> 01:17:14,880
haven't figured out what people would

1839
01:17:12,719 --> 01:17:16,840
push back on then other than they don't

1840
01:17:14,880 --> 01:17:18,239
want big boats but you know they're not

1841
01:17:16,840 --> 01:17:21,320
they're not too noisy and they're in the

1842
01:17:18,239 --> 01:17:22,960
river so I and this is a commercial area

1843
01:17:21,320 --> 01:17:24,560
there's not you know that's not a

1844
01:17:22,960 --> 01:17:28,719
condominium it's not an apartment

1845
01:17:24,560 --> 01:17:31,320
building it's a hotel um so I I think I

1846
01:17:28,719 --> 01:17:31,320
think it will be

1847
01:17:32,000 --> 01:17:36,719
positive well thank you you answer my

1848
01:17:34,080 --> 01:17:38,199
question was not own it we said yes so

1849
01:17:36,719 --> 01:17:39,840
this is just for right now for secret

1850
01:17:38,199 --> 01:17:41,360
purposes you know for sending out the

1851
01:17:39,840 --> 01:17:43,560
letters and all that we'd like the the

1852
01:17:41,360 --> 01:17:44,920
city to declare a lead Agency on this

1853
01:17:43,560 --> 01:17:47,960
project and then we're going to move

1854
01:17:44,920 --> 01:17:49,600
forward with our uh determination and

1855
01:17:47,960 --> 01:17:53,120
reaching out to all the interested

1856
01:17:49,600 --> 01:17:54,360
parties so I just wanted to kind of loop

1857
01:17:53,120 --> 01:17:55,560
you guys into everything give the

1858
01:17:54,360 --> 01:17:57,840
information

1859
01:17:55,560 --> 01:18:01,320
thank you for that any

1860
01:17:57,840 --> 01:18:04,520
questions I a motion so move second all

1861
01:18:01,320 --> 01:18:07,159
those in favor you

1862
01:18:04,520 --> 01:18:11,679
Mr all right item number five vapon

1863
01:18:07,159 --> 01:18:11,679
smoke shop uh zoning ordinance Miss

1864
01:18:11,880 --> 01:18:18,520
barash okay it's okay uh mad president

1865
01:18:15,840 --> 01:18:20,840
I'll take I'll take this um in your

1866
01:18:18,520 --> 01:18:26,120
package this past week you've got a

1867
01:18:20,840 --> 01:18:28,920
revised uh uh uh ordinance um the

1868
01:18:26,120 --> 01:18:31,960
comments came back orar to the uh

1869
01:18:28,920 --> 01:18:34,360
General Municipal law from the county uh

1870
01:18:31,960 --> 01:18:39,360
Planning Commission with their comments

1871
01:18:34,360 --> 01:18:41,800
and uh there were uh uh which are

1872
01:18:39,360 --> 01:18:46,159
highlighted in in the package I gave you

1873
01:18:41,800 --> 01:18:49,480
in red um and that

1874
01:18:46,159 --> 01:18:52,320
uh they just had a couple of questions

1875
01:18:49,480 --> 01:18:56,880
really minor minor revisions to the

1876
01:18:52,320 --> 01:18:59,880
overall text of the of the proposed

1877
01:18:56,880 --> 01:18:59,880
ordinance

1878
01:19:01,560 --> 01:19:07,239
um the uh minor edits and comments of

1879
01:19:04,400 --> 01:19:09,920
the proes ordinance were attached the

1880
01:19:07,239 --> 01:19:12,560
red the Reds uh were the items that were

1881
01:19:09,920 --> 01:19:14,880
deleted the yellow items are the ones

1882
01:19:12,560 --> 01:19:16,280
that were they suggested language um

1883
01:19:14,880 --> 01:19:19,520
they had a couple of questions in the

1884
01:19:16,280 --> 01:19:21,760
definition section um was added what was

1885
01:19:19,520 --> 01:19:26,040
included in there is some uh medical

1886
01:19:21,760 --> 01:19:29,159
marijuana and another marijuana uh

1887
01:19:26,040 --> 01:19:31,239
definition they said it's not not in the

1888
01:19:29,159 --> 01:19:33,360
rest of the the code the reason those

1889
01:19:31,239 --> 01:19:36,199
were put in there in case you ever want

1890
01:19:33,360 --> 01:19:39,080
to build off of this particular section

1891
01:19:36,199 --> 01:19:41,600
of the code regarding cannabis

1892
01:19:39,080 --> 01:19:43,040
operations so those definitions are

1893
01:19:41,600 --> 01:19:44,679
already in there and that's how come

1894
01:19:43,040 --> 01:19:46,639
it's not referenced in there but in case

1895
01:19:44,679 --> 01:19:48,960
you ever want to build off of it

1896
01:19:46,639 --> 01:19:51,800
definitions are already included and

1897
01:19:48,960 --> 01:19:55,560
then the last part of this the last page

1898
01:19:51,800 --> 01:19:58,320
uh dealing with the uh ammonization

1899
01:19:55,560 --> 01:20:00,920
um oversight on my part that language

1900
01:19:58,320 --> 01:20:04,159
came from our City Zoning code dealing

1901
01:20:00,920 --> 01:20:06,280
with adult establishments um that that

1902
01:20:04,159 --> 01:20:09,760
reference wasn't deleted it should have

1903
01:20:06,280 --> 01:20:11,400
been was deleted um regarding the issue

1904
01:20:09,760 --> 01:20:14,239
of amortization I know there was some

1905
01:20:11,400 --> 01:20:17,159
discussion on this on this the last time

1906
01:20:14,239 --> 01:20:21,239
and what it means is that if you adopt

1907
01:20:17,159 --> 01:20:22,880
this ordinance you the the vape shops

1908
01:20:21,239 --> 01:20:25,159
that are in those areas that you've

1909
01:20:22,880 --> 01:20:28,840
declared them not to be

1910
01:20:25,159 --> 01:20:31,480
legal um would have one year to wrap up

1911
01:20:28,840 --> 01:20:34,280
their business now if they wish to

1912
01:20:31,480 --> 01:20:36,719
extend past that one year then they

1913
01:20:34,280 --> 01:20:39,400
would have to go to the zoning board of

1914
01:20:36,719 --> 01:20:41,400
appeals to prevent uh financial

1915
01:20:39,400 --> 01:20:44,040
information as to why this would be a

1916
01:20:41,400 --> 01:20:46,760
hardship and they they can't abide by

1917
01:20:44,040 --> 01:20:49,560
that onee uh deadline so there's an

1918
01:20:46,760 --> 01:20:52,360
appeal process through the zoning board

1919
01:20:49,560 --> 01:20:54,000
of appeals that language is is from as I

1920
01:20:52,360 --> 01:20:57,040
indicated from our zoning code dealing

1921
01:20:54,000 --> 01:21:00,000
with both businesses so that same type

1922
01:20:57,040 --> 01:21:02,760
of appeal process is already in our code

1923
01:21:00,000 --> 01:21:05,960
and is just placed into this uh section

1924
01:21:02,760 --> 01:21:09,880
regarding Vapes shops smoke shops Etc in

1925
01:21:05,960 --> 01:21:12,560
the alternative if you just wanted to

1926
01:21:09,880 --> 01:21:15,199
not get into that and and just have

1927
01:21:12,560 --> 01:21:16,520
these establishments stay past that one

1928
01:21:15,199 --> 01:21:18,360
year then they'd become a legal

1929
01:21:16,520 --> 01:21:20,080
non-conforming use what does that mean

1930
01:21:18,360 --> 01:21:23,199
they can stay as long as they're

1931
01:21:20,080 --> 01:21:26,639
continuing an operation as a vape shop

1932
01:21:23,199 --> 01:21:29,520
but if they vacate it then whoever came

1933
01:21:26,639 --> 01:21:31,400
in would not it's not zoned for that

1934
01:21:29,520 --> 01:21:34,880
particular

1935
01:21:31,400 --> 01:21:36,920
use so if you want you know it can be

1936
01:21:34,880 --> 01:21:37,960
the language there can be changed in

1937
01:21:36,920 --> 01:21:42,159
which it will become a legal

1938
01:21:37,960 --> 01:21:44,120
non-conforming use for after one year um

1939
01:21:42,159 --> 01:21:45,920
or on the alternative you know keep that

1940
01:21:44,120 --> 01:21:50,719
language

1941
01:21:45,920 --> 01:21:53,880
regarding mization in there uh for for

1942
01:21:50,719 --> 01:21:55,440
uh for it so it's really up to you but

1943
01:21:53,880 --> 01:21:57,600
it's it's your option I know there was

1944
01:21:55,440 --> 01:22:01,679
concern discussion last time so I just

1945
01:21:57,600 --> 01:22:01,679
want to flex that a little a little

1946
01:22:02,000 --> 01:22:07,239
bit so I I I do have a concern about you

1947
01:22:05,679 --> 01:22:09,920
know after a year saying you have to

1948
01:22:07,239 --> 01:22:12,320
prove that you're financially you need

1949
01:22:09,920 --> 01:22:13,880
to stay here so um I essentially think

1950
01:22:12,320 --> 01:22:15,199
that's that's that's an opportunity for

1951
01:22:13,880 --> 01:22:17,280
us to put people out the business where

1952
01:22:15,199 --> 01:22:20,400
they currently are if they're there

1953
01:22:17,280 --> 01:22:22,320
legally so um I I have concern about

1954
01:22:20,400 --> 01:22:25,840
that and I think that I'm just to have

1955
01:22:22,320 --> 01:22:27,239
them stay with the um um

1956
01:22:25,840 --> 01:22:29,159
then allowing them to be there and not

1957
01:22:27,239 --> 01:22:31,400
have to come before the zoning board

1958
01:22:29,159 --> 01:22:34,560
every year is is the way that I would

1959
01:22:31,400 --> 01:22:37,000
prefer that we approach this particular

1960
01:22:34,560 --> 01:22:39,159
um uh situation with these

1961
01:22:37,000 --> 01:22:41,760
establishments but obviously input from

1962
01:22:39,159 --> 01:22:41,760
the other council

1963
01:22:43,800 --> 01:22:48,280
members I mean the language we could use

1964
01:22:46,560 --> 01:22:50,000
I mean if we want if you wanted to go

1965
01:22:48,280 --> 01:22:51,679
down that route and delete that

1966
01:22:50,000 --> 01:22:55,159
particular portion it would be that all

1967
01:22:51,679 --> 01:22:57,679
such facilities or establishments la

1968
01:22:55,159 --> 01:22:59,080
actually operating open to the public on

1969
01:22:57,679 --> 01:23:01,080
the date of the adoption of this

1970
01:22:59,080 --> 01:23:03,360
particular order shall be permitted to

1971
01:23:01,080 --> 01:23:05,560
continue as a legal non-conforming use

1972
01:23:03,360 --> 01:23:09,080
and all others will be declared unlawful

1973
01:23:05,560 --> 01:23:10,920
prohibited so and our zone of law deals

1974
01:23:09,080 --> 01:23:13,360
with non-performing uses and what if

1975
01:23:10,920 --> 01:23:16,480
they're discontinued

1976
01:23:13,360 --> 01:23:18,639
it it would if there's a discontinuance

1977
01:23:16,480 --> 01:23:20,440
if it's not continuous operating then it

1978
01:23:18,639 --> 01:23:23,199
would revert to it would be a

1979
01:23:20,440 --> 01:23:26,159
non-conforming use the new outfit

1980
01:23:23,199 --> 01:23:28,199
understood Mr Willams So to that point

1981
01:23:26,159 --> 01:23:29,719
is the non-conforming use extended to

1982
01:23:28,199 --> 01:23:31,080
the business or to the business owner

1983
01:23:29,719 --> 01:23:32,719
meaning if the business no it's the

1984
01:23:31,080 --> 01:23:35,880
business the B

1985
01:23:32,719 --> 01:23:37,560
jobs or I meant to to like a singular

1986
01:23:35,880 --> 01:23:39,080
business it's the type of business

1987
01:23:37,560 --> 01:23:43,000
that's gone in

1988
01:23:39,080 --> 01:23:45,000
there it's it's the type of business and

1989
01:23:43,000 --> 01:23:49,360
and and and the definition the

1990
01:23:45,000 --> 01:23:52,600
definition section covers all that so I

1991
01:23:49,360 --> 01:23:57,080
I know it's it would be the type of

1992
01:23:52,600 --> 01:24:01,040
business it's thank

1993
01:23:57,080 --> 01:24:02,560
you so suggestion is to keep the current

1994
01:24:01,040 --> 01:24:03,960
language that we have we're not putting

1995
01:24:02,560 --> 01:24:06,320
them out to business just they would

1996
01:24:03,960 --> 01:24:09,239
have to move after the year in approve

1997
01:24:06,320 --> 01:24:10,960
the approved area that is zoned for this

1998
01:24:09,239 --> 01:24:13,080
so I think there is opportunity for them

1999
01:24:10,960 --> 01:24:16,840
to kind of like work until they are

2000
01:24:13,080 --> 01:24:21,679
ready to move into the approv area

2001
01:24:16,840 --> 01:24:24,560
and that is z for for Fen smoke

2002
01:24:21,679 --> 01:24:27,080
shops so I think what that comes into to

2003
01:24:24,560 --> 01:24:30,719
play here is how many vape shops are

2004
01:24:27,080 --> 01:24:33,520
there how much room is there in these um

2005
01:24:30,719 --> 01:24:35,639
in these approved areas because we have

2006
01:24:33,520 --> 01:24:39,679
a there's a distance right they have to

2007
01:24:35,639 --> 01:24:42,159
stay apart so if we're limiting the area

2008
01:24:39,679 --> 01:24:44,480
and within that area we're limiting the

2009
01:24:42,159 --> 01:24:46,199
proximity that could impact businesses

2010
01:24:44,480 --> 01:24:47,600
if there's enough businesses like then

2011
01:24:46,199 --> 01:24:50,960
we run out of space what happens to

2012
01:24:47,600 --> 01:24:52,560
those individuals so those you know are

2013
01:24:50,960 --> 01:24:54,880
are also part of my concerns because if

2014
01:24:52,560 --> 01:24:57,880
we do that then essentially somebody

2015
01:24:54,880 --> 01:25:02,520
would have may have to go at business

2016
01:24:57,880 --> 01:25:05,080
so well they're allowed to for a year

2017
01:25:02,520 --> 01:25:07,159
extension they would have to they would

2018
01:25:05,080 --> 01:25:09,320
be allowed to operate from one year from

2019
01:25:07,159 --> 01:25:10,760
the from the when you adopt this

2020
01:25:09,320 --> 01:25:14,960
ordinance

2021
01:25:10,760 --> 01:25:17,800
say July 15th or whatever one year they

2022
01:25:14,960 --> 01:25:21,320
can continue after that one year if they

2023
01:25:17,800 --> 01:25:23,440
wish to remain in business um a form

2024
01:25:21,320 --> 01:25:25,520
would need to be developed for them to

2025
01:25:23,440 --> 01:25:27,639
go before the zon board of appeals for

2026
01:25:25,520 --> 01:25:30,360
them to demonstrate financial hardship

2027
01:25:27,639 --> 01:25:33,360
as as to why they should be allowed to

2028
01:25:30,360 --> 01:25:36,520
operate for a period of time after the

2029
01:25:33,360 --> 01:25:39,119
end of the after the after that uh

2030
01:25:36,520 --> 01:25:41,800
one-ear period in their current position

2031
01:25:39,119 --> 01:25:41,800
in their current

2032
01:25:44,800 --> 01:25:52,080
position well last count there were 39

2033
01:25:47,920 --> 01:25:54,480
smoke shops um in the city plus we know

2034
01:25:52,080 --> 01:25:58,760
that more have developed and popped up

2035
01:25:54,480 --> 01:26:01,280
and um don't have proper um you know

2036
01:25:58,760 --> 01:26:03,800
aren aren't properly documented on the

2037
01:26:01,280 --> 01:26:05,520
books to even operate so I noticed one

2038
01:26:03,800 --> 01:26:07,440
the other day with with the windows were

2039
01:26:05,520 --> 01:26:11,040
all sealed up and it's got a big sign in

2040
01:26:07,440 --> 01:26:14,760
in the window 8m but it's the dragons or

2041
01:26:11,040 --> 01:26:17,080
it's a smoke shop but anyway um so I I'm

2042
01:26:14,760 --> 01:26:18,560
in in in agreeance with to leaving it

2043
01:26:17,080 --> 01:26:21,159
that you know they'd have to come before

2044
01:26:18,560 --> 01:26:23,239
the board of appeals to uh keep their

2045
01:26:21,159 --> 01:26:26,080
position uh if they can prove it's a

2046
01:26:23,239 --> 01:26:28,960
hardship but other than that as far as

2047
01:26:26,080 --> 01:26:31,000
um we we don't need six in one block um

2048
01:26:28,960 --> 01:26:34,080
so I I do like you know how things are

2049
01:26:31,000 --> 01:26:35,960
going to be um stated in the moratorium

2050
01:26:34,080 --> 01:26:38,360
I'm I'm sorry I'm off for small business

2051
01:26:35,960 --> 01:26:40,960
I'm a small business but um you know we

2052
01:26:38,360 --> 01:26:42,920
have we have a lot of Youth out there um

2053
01:26:40,960 --> 01:26:45,520
that are walking by these smoke shops

2054
01:26:42,920 --> 01:26:46,880
and and I'm just not in favor of them um

2055
01:26:45,520 --> 01:26:49,520
there's more than enough places that

2056
01:26:46,880 --> 01:26:51,600
they'll be able to establish their

2057
01:26:49,520 --> 01:26:53,360
business I don't know if there's nor

2058
01:26:51,600 --> 01:26:56,239
enough places I don't know if we've done

2059
01:26:53,360 --> 01:26:59,080
with the if we moved all 39 to this to

2060
01:26:56,239 --> 01:27:00,840
what's El to what's would be available

2061
01:26:59,080 --> 01:27:02,880
um to what we're zoning it for I don't

2062
01:27:00,840 --> 01:27:05,080
know that there's enough places so I I

2063
01:27:02,880 --> 01:27:06,880
do have that concern about someone not

2064
01:27:05,080 --> 01:27:09,760
being able to I

2065
01:27:06,880 --> 01:27:11,199
don't not being able to um to continue

2066
01:27:09,760 --> 01:27:12,760
with their business whether it's a

2067
01:27:11,199 --> 01:27:14,800
business that I approve or not that's

2068
01:27:12,760 --> 01:27:16,760
not really why I'm here it's it's if

2069
01:27:14,800 --> 01:27:17,639
it's a legal business and they're you

2070
01:27:16,760 --> 01:27:21,840
know it's something that they can

2071
01:27:17,639 --> 01:27:24,480
legally do then I don't uh I I don't

2072
01:27:21,840 --> 01:27:26,360
that we I think that we should just go

2073
01:27:24,480 --> 01:27:29,119
with leg and non-conforming that's

2074
01:27:26,360 --> 01:27:29,119
that's how I see

2075
01:27:33,880 --> 01:27:39,360
this Mr the last time of we discussed

2076
01:27:36,719 --> 01:27:41,239
this we were talking about the 40% um

2077
01:27:39,360 --> 01:27:43,199
allow

2078
01:27:41,239 --> 01:27:45,719
for

2079
01:27:43,199 --> 01:27:48,159
yeah yes there was no comment from the

2080
01:27:45,719 --> 01:27:53,520
the the County planning on that amount

2081
01:27:48,159 --> 01:27:55,000
and uh that 40% we the 40% is still in

2082
01:27:53,520 --> 01:27:57,280
right um

2083
01:27:55,000 --> 01:27:59,000
because they have not met yet they that

2084
01:27:57,280 --> 01:28:02,520
the city planning at City Planning they

2085
01:27:59,000 --> 01:28:02,520
were not able to take that take that

2086
01:28:03,960 --> 01:28:06,960
off

2087
01:28:08,030 --> 01:28:14,360
[Music]

2088
01:28:09,719 --> 01:28:15,320
so and um I think Mr Mr ran said if they

2089
01:28:14,360 --> 01:28:16,560
because they didn't have anything

2090
01:28:15,320 --> 01:28:18,199
official and I asked for something

2091
01:28:16,560 --> 01:28:19,159
official they didn't have anything so

2092
01:28:18,199 --> 01:28:20,800
they won't take it up until the next

2093
01:28:19,159 --> 01:28:22,920
meeting and if they do then it's

2094
01:28:20,800 --> 01:28:25,280
certainly something that we could amend

2095
01:28:22,920 --> 01:28:27,440
they came up with a specific

2096
01:28:25,280 --> 01:28:29,440
um percentage and the reason why they

2097
01:28:27,440 --> 01:28:31,760
came up with that specific percentage me

2098
01:28:29,440 --> 01:28:34,360
if they could come up with a percentage

2099
01:28:31,760 --> 01:28:37,400
they could bring it before you as a as

2100
01:28:34,360 --> 01:28:39,880
as a transmitt and saying that the their

2101
01:28:37,400 --> 01:28:41,360
number is whatever and then you would

2102
01:28:39,880 --> 01:28:45,639
have the opportunity to amend the

2103
01:28:41,360 --> 01:28:48,639
ordinance if you so desire at that

2104
01:28:45,639 --> 01:28:50,600
point yes I I think president P field

2105
01:28:48,639 --> 01:28:52,280
and I even we agreed on the fact that

2106
01:28:50,600 --> 01:28:55,560
you know whatever they want to put in

2107
01:28:52,280 --> 01:28:58,239
their shop or or you know the % was you

2108
01:28:55,560 --> 01:29:02,480
know we didn't have an issue with with

2109
01:28:58,239 --> 01:29:04,560
them you know keeping that at 40% um you

2110
01:29:02,480 --> 01:29:06,000
know they have a shop they can sell

2111
01:29:04,560 --> 01:29:07,920
everything legally in there whatever

2112
01:29:06,000 --> 01:29:09,520
they want and whoever's going into the

2113
01:29:07,920 --> 01:29:14,239
shop is going in there for a specific

2114
01:29:09,520 --> 01:29:15,679
reason anyway um for products and so I

2115
01:29:14,239 --> 01:29:18,600
don't think there was an issue with the

2116
01:29:15,679 --> 01:29:21,840
percentage of of the space inside the

2117
01:29:18,600 --> 01:29:25,080
building what they could

2118
01:29:21,840 --> 01:29:27,159
sell yes so

2119
01:29:25,080 --> 01:29:28,280
they were suggesting the members from

2120
01:29:27,159 --> 01:29:32,280
the zoning

2121
01:29:28,280 --> 01:29:32,280
board plan commission

2122
01:29:32,800 --> 01:29:39,440
25% no they never gave a number the the

2123
01:29:35,760 --> 01:29:42,080
other localities had gone down to 20 20

2124
01:29:39,440 --> 01:29:45,119
25% that was just as a as a reference

2125
01:29:42,080 --> 01:29:48,159
point but I don't think we did not get a

2126
01:29:45,119 --> 01:29:51,000
hard number from the uh City Planet

2127
01:29:48,159 --> 01:29:56,040
commission correct So currently it's 40

2128
01:29:51,000 --> 01:29:56,040
it's 40% in a draft other display area

2129
01:30:07,080 --> 01:30:11,600
yes Mr Williams so I think I'm just

2130
01:30:09,639 --> 01:30:14,400
being transparent with my thoughts as

2131
01:30:11,600 --> 01:30:16,719
everyone else has been uh I I I find

2132
01:30:14,400 --> 01:30:18,360
myself citing more with Miss Doro and I

2133
01:30:16,719 --> 01:30:20,280
understand that they're going to be in

2134
01:30:18,360 --> 01:30:23,560
consequences of like our actions where

2135
01:30:20,280 --> 01:30:25,159
39 is a rather large number um I think

2136
01:30:23,560 --> 01:30:27,199
we only have hesitation with the

2137
01:30:25,159 --> 01:30:29,199
non-conformances and then correct me if

2138
01:30:27,199 --> 01:30:30,360
I'm wrong it would only apply to

2139
01:30:29,199 --> 01:30:32,280
individuals that were in that quote

2140
01:30:30,360 --> 01:30:34,560
unquote good standing so if you had

2141
01:30:32,280 --> 01:30:35,880
individuals that weren't uh putting in

2142
01:30:34,560 --> 01:30:38,480
place like the proper marketing for

2143
01:30:35,880 --> 01:30:40,639
square footage like I would no it it

2144
01:30:38,480 --> 01:30:42,400
would be anybody could put in put in

2145
01:30:40,639 --> 01:30:43,960
request to the zoning board of appeals

2146
01:30:42,400 --> 01:30:49,480
because it's looking at dollars and

2147
01:30:43,960 --> 01:30:51,880
cents proof as to whether or not they're

2148
01:30:49,480 --> 01:30:54,840
uh you know they put they put in a

2149
01:30:51,880 --> 01:30:57,280
substantial Financial expend

2150
01:30:54,840 --> 01:30:59,560
related to the nonconformity and that

2151
01:30:57,280 --> 01:31:02,639
that the the closing down would would

2152
01:30:59,560 --> 01:31:05,360
would have would have a financial impact

2153
01:31:02,639 --> 01:31:06,600
upon them so it's a continuation you

2154
01:31:05,360 --> 01:31:09,199
could essentially have businesses

2155
01:31:06,600 --> 01:31:11,800
continuing on without making any

2156
01:31:09,199 --> 01:31:14,679
adjustments I don't understand the

2157
01:31:11,800 --> 01:31:17,679
question well we're highlighting wanting

2158
01:31:14,679 --> 01:31:19,360
to adjust the behavior so I applied for

2159
01:31:17,679 --> 01:31:22,440
a

2160
01:31:19,360 --> 01:31:24,520
non-conformance to not have to like

2161
01:31:22,440 --> 01:31:25,800
alter like where my business is

2162
01:31:24,520 --> 01:31:28,239
yeah you would what no what you're

2163
01:31:25,800 --> 01:31:29,440
saying to the zon board of appeals I'm

2164
01:31:28,239 --> 01:31:32,880
at this

2165
01:31:29,440 --> 01:31:36,239
street the the deadline has come down I

2166
01:31:32,880 --> 01:31:39,880
have in I I've invested x amount of

2167
01:31:36,239 --> 01:31:42,960
dollars into this therefore I feel that

2168
01:31:39,880 --> 01:31:45,199
if I should expend more I should the

2169
01:31:42,960 --> 01:31:48,639
deadline should not apply to me and that

2170
01:31:45,199 --> 01:31:48,639
that way I should stay

2171
01:31:49,520 --> 01:31:54,600
longer because it's impacting me

2172
01:31:51,600 --> 01:31:54,600
financially

2173
01:31:54,880 --> 01:32:00,840
did no I was going to ask add to that so

2174
01:31:58,199 --> 01:32:03,880
when you stay longer in ter is there a

2175
01:32:00,840 --> 01:32:06,199
time to recuit there it would be it

2176
01:32:03,880 --> 01:32:08,920
would be it would really depend on a

2177
01:32:06,199 --> 01:32:10,920
Case by case basis of how much they put

2178
01:32:08,920 --> 01:32:13,159
in how long they've been there dollars

2179
01:32:10,920 --> 01:32:16,159
and cents proof provided to the zonian

2180
01:32:13,159 --> 01:32:18,400
board of appeals so this point like they

2181
01:32:16,159 --> 01:32:22,960
can go on for another year it would all

2182
01:32:18,400 --> 01:32:22,960
depend all depends yeah it all depends

2183
01:32:27,760 --> 01:32:32,000
and it would be the prior to the

2184
01:32:29,280 --> 01:32:34,560
non-conformity the non-conformity is one

2185
01:32:32,000 --> 01:32:37,360
year in other words those individuals

2186
01:32:34,560 --> 01:32:39,679
that that put into their put the

2187
01:32:37,360 --> 01:32:44,920
business in

2188
01:32:39,679 --> 01:32:48,600
really um since we've had the uh The

2189
01:32:44,920 --> 01:32:50,719
Vape Shop moratorium since uh March it

2190
01:32:48,600 --> 01:32:53,000
would be you see that it would be a

2191
01:32:50,719 --> 01:32:54,360
longer period of time so a longer period

2192
01:32:53,000 --> 01:32:56,040
of time

2193
01:32:54,360 --> 01:32:57,840
it would be indicate that they would

2194
01:32:56,040 --> 01:33:00,520
have more return on their investment

2195
01:32:57,840 --> 01:33:02,119
because the non-conformity would occur

2196
01:33:00,520 --> 01:33:06,159
July

2197
01:33:02,119 --> 01:33:09,320
15th but presumably they've been were in

2198
01:33:06,159 --> 01:33:12,520
had their business there prior to when

2199
01:33:09,320 --> 01:33:15,199
you except it's had the moratorium put

2200
01:33:12,520 --> 01:33:19,159
in place back in March the legal

2201
01:33:15,199 --> 01:33:19,159
businesses right

2202
01:33:25,239 --> 01:33:28,239
so that seems to be the only sticking

2203
01:33:26,719 --> 01:33:31,719
point are we

2204
01:33:28,239 --> 01:33:35,000
moving are we I'm happy to move

2205
01:33:31,719 --> 01:33:36,920
this are we moving in tonight y yeah

2206
01:33:35,000 --> 01:33:39,440
we're ready to we already have I mean as

2207
01:33:36,920 --> 01:33:42,560
amended it can go forward and put a new

2208
01:33:39,440 --> 01:33:48,080
language in the red language deleted the

2209
01:33:42,560 --> 01:33:49,600
yellow just so you know um so our we're

2210
01:33:48,080 --> 01:33:50,920
you I know they are they're not in color

2211
01:33:49,600 --> 01:33:54,639
so you don't know what language is being

2212
01:33:50,920 --> 01:33:57,880
deleted which language I read it read

2213
01:33:54,639 --> 01:34:01,679
it's it's bracketed well

2214
01:33:57,880 --> 01:34:02,440
Sor it's bracketed it's highlighted may

2215
01:34:01,679 --> 01:34:05,719
not

2216
01:34:02,440 --> 01:34:09,040
be yeah

2217
01:34:05,719 --> 01:34:11,480
yes Mr M so I I'm in favor of keeping

2218
01:34:09,040 --> 01:34:13,000
the language that is point here and let

2219
01:34:11,480 --> 01:34:16,159
these business come back before the

2220
01:34:13,000 --> 01:34:19,880
zoning board um to kind of like discuss

2221
01:34:16,159 --> 01:34:22,679
their financial um you know at a plus or

2222
01:34:19,880 --> 01:34:24,600
minus and and board would allow them to

2223
01:34:22,679 --> 01:34:27,400
extend give them an EXT extension to

2224
01:34:24,600 --> 01:34:29,639
continue the business until they can uh

2225
01:34:27,400 --> 01:34:31,719
their expenditure because the sole

2226
01:34:29,639 --> 01:34:35,360
purpose of us is to centralize these

2227
01:34:31,719 --> 01:34:38,000
business in approv zoning area so if we

2228
01:34:35,360 --> 01:34:39,880
were to say it'll change it back but it

2229
01:34:38,000 --> 01:34:43,280
doesn't serve any purpose so we're doing

2230
01:34:39,880 --> 01:34:47,000
here right I agre the so Focus was to to

2231
01:34:43,280 --> 01:34:49,880
to uh to centralize them in one

2232
01:34:47,000 --> 01:34:52,040
area uh that's you know we kind of tried

2233
01:34:49,880 --> 01:34:54,920
to do that a while back with the um what

2234
01:34:52,040 --> 01:34:56,080
with those adult shop and I that that

2235
01:34:54,920 --> 01:34:57,239
turned out to be a problem I don't know

2236
01:34:56,080 --> 01:35:01,239
if you remember that you would probably

2237
01:34:57,239 --> 01:35:06,199
be the only one that would um

2238
01:35:01,239 --> 01:35:08,080
so um so and and we were also if I

2239
01:35:06,199 --> 01:35:10,000
remember correctly one of the main

2240
01:35:08,080 --> 01:35:14,000
reasons for this was

2241
01:35:10,000 --> 01:35:16,480
to start to kind of um take a look at

2242
01:35:14,000 --> 01:35:19,880
businesses that are operating on with

2243
01:35:16,480 --> 01:35:21,960
not they're not uh operating in

2244
01:35:19,880 --> 01:35:25,159
compliance with what the you know City's

2245
01:35:21,960 --> 01:35:28,760
rules and expectations are and and this

2246
01:35:25,159 --> 01:35:30,000
moratorium was to kind of stop the from

2247
01:35:28,760 --> 01:35:31,840
popping up all over the place where we

2248
01:35:30,000 --> 01:35:36,000
can manage what was in front of us right

2249
01:35:31,840 --> 01:35:39,119
so that okay right um and and with that

2250
01:35:36,000 --> 01:35:40,960
so mayor in terms of the enforcement and

2251
01:35:39,119 --> 01:35:43,880
for those that are legal versus illegal

2252
01:35:40,960 --> 01:35:46,719
do we have any type of update on the on

2253
01:35:43,880 --> 01:35:48,240
of the 39 is what M Toro says but I I

2254
01:35:46,719 --> 01:35:50,239
kind of think your number is

2255
01:35:48,240 --> 01:35:52,880
[Music]

2256
01:35:50,239 --> 01:35:54,600
low uh seen an updated listly

2257
01:35:52,880 --> 01:35:56,800
enforcement we can put put that together

2258
01:35:54,600 --> 01:35:59,280
and we have it two weeks to get it out

2259
01:35:56,800 --> 01:36:02,080
to you by the end of the week the

2260
01:35:59,280 --> 01:36:02,080
beginning of next

2261
01:36:10,000 --> 01:36:14,560
week the other thing for me um and I

2262
01:36:13,159 --> 01:36:17,159
guess I would ask this view mayor as

2263
01:36:14,560 --> 01:36:18,639
well if someone can map it out um if we

2264
01:36:17,159 --> 01:36:21,199
can have it map out where they currently

2265
01:36:18,639 --> 01:36:21,199
exist as

2266
01:36:22,000 --> 01:36:28,520
well we did that it's not updated I just

2267
01:36:25,440 --> 01:36:30,520
updated updated but we did get the map

2268
01:36:28,520 --> 01:36:35,119
well like you said there she said

2269
01:36:30,520 --> 01:36:37,960
there's more popping up and just um yeah

2270
01:36:35,119 --> 01:36:40,960
the neighborhoods that doing

2271
01:36:37,960 --> 01:36:40,960
so

2272
01:36:41,320 --> 01:36:45,360
okay so you're suggesting that we just

2273
01:36:43,679 --> 01:36:48,000
move ahead with it as it currently is

2274
01:36:45,360 --> 01:36:50,320
and let them um come before this Zing

2275
01:36:48,000 --> 01:36:54,199
for yes that is what I'm suggesting we

2276
01:36:50,320 --> 01:36:55,480
move as Sal and this this l

2277
01:36:54,199 --> 01:37:00,080
with the language that's currently

2278
01:36:55,480 --> 01:37:02,159
before us as and um mrri when would they

2279
01:37:00,080 --> 01:37:03,840
have to when would this from July 15th

2280
01:37:02,159 --> 01:37:07,639
until July 15th

2281
01:37:03,840 --> 01:37:10,080
2025 is whenever the you know it has to

2282
01:37:07,639 --> 01:37:12,360
pass the the council so and when the

2283
01:37:10,080 --> 01:37:14,080
mayor signs it and the resol as the

2284
01:37:12,360 --> 01:37:16,400
ordinance says this this ordinance take

2285
01:37:14,080 --> 01:37:18,199
shall take effect immediately so upon

2286
01:37:16,400 --> 01:37:21,840
the mayor's signature or 10 days

2287
01:37:18,199 --> 01:37:23,639
whatever that is pursuant to the code

2288
01:37:21,840 --> 01:37:26,760
that will be the of the year will will

2289
01:37:23,639 --> 01:37:28,560
start at that point okay and if for some

2290
01:37:26,760 --> 01:37:30,760
reason this obviously doesn't work out

2291
01:37:28,560 --> 01:37:32,600
we could always come back in absolutely

2292
01:37:30,760 --> 01:37:35,119
if you ever want to revisit it like any

2293
01:37:32,600 --> 01:37:38,400
ordinance you can always bring this back

2294
01:37:35,119 --> 01:37:41,320
if it's not not if you want to revisit

2295
01:37:38,400 --> 01:37:43,360
it at end of time you can put back on

2296
01:37:41,320 --> 01:37:45,599
and if you want to amend it there will

2297
01:37:43,360 --> 01:37:47,199
be another public hearing or you just

2298
01:37:45,599 --> 01:37:49,560
want to have a discussion on that

2299
01:37:47,199 --> 01:37:52,239
certainly it can always be

2300
01:37:49,560 --> 01:37:55,440
Revisited

2301
01:37:52,239 --> 01:37:55,440
okay that's

2302
01:37:55,520 --> 01:38:00,400
move and I'll

2303
01:37:57,760 --> 01:38:03,400
second so I will just make the statement

2304
01:38:00,400 --> 01:38:04,920
that um I will um support this however

2305
01:38:03,400 --> 01:38:06,719
if people come to us and say there's a

2306
01:38:04,920 --> 01:38:09,280
hardship then I would want this brought

2307
01:38:06,719 --> 01:38:10,760
be before this Council to be Revisited I

2308
01:38:09,280 --> 01:38:13,840
don't want to put a hardship on any

2309
01:38:10,760 --> 01:38:17,119
small businesses so with that c up all

2310
01:38:13,840 --> 01:38:18,679
in favor I I Madam CH uh M Madam

2311
01:38:17,119 --> 01:38:20,199
president that that could always be the

2312
01:38:18,679 --> 01:38:21,880
case if you want to revisit that

2313
01:38:20,199 --> 01:38:24,199
language in the last portion of the

2314
01:38:21,880 --> 01:38:26,320
ordinance along the discussion items

2315
01:38:24,199 --> 01:38:29,400
we've talked about earlier and just one

2316
01:38:26,320 --> 01:38:31,880
other item it's a it's a type two Seeker

2317
01:38:29,400 --> 01:38:36,080
action yes and I would just ask that

2318
01:38:31,880 --> 01:38:39,320
that also that resolution that what yes

2319
01:38:36,080 --> 01:38:43,400
it is is it on there it's

2320
01:38:39,320 --> 01:38:45,199
it's we have there's a Seeker resolution

2321
01:38:43,400 --> 01:38:47,599
yeah we'll have the SE it's right here

2322
01:38:45,199 --> 01:38:50,880
right page 159 page

2323
01:38:47,599 --> 01:38:53,800
159 the seek a resolution declaring is a

2324
01:38:50,880 --> 01:38:57,480
type two action

2325
01:38:53,800 --> 01:38:57,480
159 is the packet

2326
01:39:01,920 --> 01:39:06,599
yeah so you need that as to declare yes

2327
01:39:05,040 --> 01:39:09,800
it's a I'm saying it's not on the agenda

2328
01:39:06,599 --> 01:39:09,800
yeah that's what it said yes thank

2329
01:39:11,960 --> 01:39:14,960
you

2330
01:39:18,880 --> 01:39:24,199
okay okay so we U so the the next item

2331
01:39:21,880 --> 01:39:26,000
is to um

2332
01:39:24,199 --> 01:39:30,800
declare the adoption of the ordinance

2333
01:39:26,000 --> 01:39:32,520
creating section 264-1111 of the code um

2334
01:39:30,800 --> 01:39:36,320
is not subject to environmental review

2335
01:39:32,520 --> 01:39:40,960
of the state quality review act so we me

2336
01:39:36,320 --> 01:39:40,960
that resolution move it second all in

2337
01:39:41,119 --> 01:39:47,719
favor okay thank you thank you madam

2338
01:39:44,280 --> 01:39:49,560
president thank you mran and um just um

2339
01:39:47,719 --> 01:39:51,080
Mr ran have this and I have this quick

2340
01:39:49,560 --> 01:39:54,599
conversation when we were um at the

2341
01:39:51,080 --> 01:39:57,320
legislative conference about the um

2342
01:39:54,599 --> 01:39:59,239
incoming cannabis shops and that we

2343
01:39:57,320 --> 01:40:01,520
should at some point maybe even talk

2344
01:39:59,239 --> 01:40:03,239
about the um how that works in the

2345
01:40:01,520 --> 01:40:06,360
zoning of that as you can see we have

2346
01:40:03,239 --> 01:40:07,520
the new people's joint on State Street

2347
01:40:06,360 --> 01:40:09,199
that's the name of it I didn't make it

2348
01:40:07,520 --> 01:40:13,159
up

2349
01:40:09,199 --> 01:40:14,639
John um so and there's um I checked with

2350
01:40:13,159 --> 01:40:16,639
the Office of canonist Management and

2351
01:40:14,639 --> 01:40:20,360
there's at least three more that are

2352
01:40:16,639 --> 01:40:22,960
pending um and are prepared to come

2353
01:40:20,360 --> 01:40:25,560
within the city so um I don't know that

2354
01:40:22,960 --> 01:40:29,679
there's a limit on how many we can have

2355
01:40:25,560 --> 01:40:30,960
so that's a question so just so you know

2356
01:40:29,679 --> 01:40:33,199
that's a that's a question I'm going to

2357
01:40:30,960 --> 01:40:34,760
be asking the office management I don't

2358
01:40:33,199 --> 01:40:37,199
I couldn't find anywhere where there was

2359
01:40:34,760 --> 01:40:39,080
a limit on how many applications and

2360
01:40:37,199 --> 01:40:41,000
currently I can't remember the number

2361
01:40:39,080 --> 01:40:42,840
that we have but we have quite a few

2362
01:40:41,000 --> 01:40:44,560
applications that have come through the

2363
01:40:42,840 --> 01:40:46,400
clerk's office saying they they want to

2364
01:40:44,560 --> 01:40:49,679
be here and they've given the various

2365
01:40:46,400 --> 01:40:51,360
addresses where they want to be so um

2366
01:40:49,679 --> 01:40:54,000
I'll be following up on that and making

2367
01:40:51,360 --> 01:40:57,000
the council aware M president you want

2368
01:40:54,000 --> 01:40:59,239
to discuss that next time in two weeks

2369
01:40:57,000 --> 01:41:04,560
okay that would be

2370
01:40:59,239 --> 01:41:04,560
uh 131 of the Cannabis law

2371
01:41:05,080 --> 01:41:08,080
okay

2372
01:41:09,159 --> 01:41:14,400
thank all right thank you um the next

2373
01:41:12,159 --> 01:41:16,800
item is the discussion of rules of deor

2374
01:41:14,400 --> 01:41:18,800
during City Council meetings uh we came

2375
01:41:16,800 --> 01:41:21,520
up with these rules a while ago and I'm

2376
01:41:18,800 --> 01:41:23,000
not asking for anything to be um I'm not

2377
01:41:21,520 --> 01:41:24,119
asking any rules to be changed or

2378
01:41:23,000 --> 01:41:28,119
anything

2379
01:41:24,119 --> 01:41:29,880
but what I am would like to see is um we

2380
01:41:28,119 --> 01:41:32,040
put those out there but nowhere does it

2381
01:41:29,880 --> 01:41:34,560
state that once you sign up that you're

2382
01:41:32,040 --> 01:41:36,440
willing to abide by those rules so I

2383
01:41:34,560 --> 01:41:39,280
just wanted to add that

2384
01:41:36,440 --> 01:41:41,480
statement um so that there's some level

2385
01:41:39,280 --> 01:41:42,920
of enforcement of if that's the term you

2386
01:41:41,480 --> 01:41:44,719
want to use so they're right there

2387
01:41:42,920 --> 01:41:46,960
before you as they currently stand but

2388
01:41:44,719 --> 01:41:49,840
just adding number 17 and says by

2389
01:41:46,960 --> 01:41:52,480
signing up to speak that you agree to

2390
01:41:49,840 --> 01:41:55,239
adhere to the Corum of the council

2391
01:41:52,480 --> 01:41:55,239
meetings

2392
01:41:55,639 --> 01:41:59,920
so maybe add that to the sign up um

2393
01:41:57,880 --> 01:42:02,560
sheets well the sign up sheets already

2394
01:41:59,920 --> 01:42:04,280
have all of these on here but that

2395
01:42:02,560 --> 01:42:07,840
statement yes and just adding that to

2396
01:42:04,280 --> 01:42:10,000
what's Already Done Right mhm

2397
01:42:07,840 --> 01:42:13,760
yes yeah

2398
01:42:10,000 --> 01:42:16,040
I'm that's it for that so so we need to

2399
01:42:13,760 --> 01:42:17,960
move a motion for that I think we do so

2400
01:42:16,040 --> 01:42:19,760
move I'm sorry but then should it

2401
01:42:17,960 --> 01:42:21,560
includeed like specific language saying

2402
01:42:19,760 --> 01:42:23,480
if you don't like you're relinquishing

2403
01:42:21,560 --> 01:42:27,040
your ability to use this platform is

2404
01:42:23,480 --> 01:42:27,040
that what we're implying or is

2405
01:42:27,159 --> 01:42:31,520
that I'm sorry can you say that again

2406
01:42:30,159 --> 01:42:35,040
does it also need to include like

2407
01:42:31,520 --> 01:42:36,880
specific language that states you're not

2408
01:42:35,040 --> 01:42:38,719
adhering to this means that you're

2409
01:42:36,880 --> 01:42:42,960
relinquishing your ability to speak at

2410
01:42:38,719 --> 01:42:47,360
this point well I think number 16 kind

2411
01:42:42,960 --> 01:42:49,840
of um covered that that we'll remove I I

2412
01:42:47,360 --> 01:42:52,800
um I think we have to look a little

2413
01:42:49,840 --> 01:42:54,080
further into um whether or not we could

2414
01:42:52,800 --> 01:42:57,199
say that

2415
01:42:54,080 --> 01:43:00,320
specifically Mr you want

2416
01:42:57,199 --> 01:43:02,560
talk sure was there a question it was it

2417
01:43:00,320 --> 01:43:04,599
was regarding the the acknowledge the

2418
01:43:02,560 --> 01:43:08,119
acknowledgement or whether that it could

2419
01:43:04,599 --> 01:43:10,679
be uh uh whether you could enforce it to

2420
01:43:08,119 --> 01:43:14,040
the point where people so vacate their

2421
01:43:10,679 --> 01:43:16,280
or wave their ability to speak if we if

2422
01:43:14,040 --> 01:43:17,480
we if we said okay when you write when

2423
01:43:16,280 --> 01:43:19,639
you sign this you acknowledge you'll go

2424
01:43:17,480 --> 01:43:21,520
by these rules what Mr Williams was

2425
01:43:19,639 --> 01:43:23,080
asking is if we could add something that

2426
01:43:21,520 --> 01:43:25,320
says and if you don't then you really

2427
01:43:23,080 --> 01:43:28,199
relinquish your ability to be able to

2428
01:43:25,320 --> 01:43:28,199
have privilege of the

2429
01:43:28,320 --> 01:43:34,719
floorever I'm sorry is that what

2430
01:43:32,400 --> 01:43:36,960
you're well not forever but I mean for

2431
01:43:34,719 --> 01:43:38,800
the for meeting I mean essentially if

2432
01:43:36,960 --> 01:43:41,800
you have someone that disregards it what

2433
01:43:38,800 --> 01:43:45,040
happens they keep going well I think I

2434
01:43:41,800 --> 01:43:48,400
think Miss P I think Mr Charlie had his

2435
01:43:45,040 --> 01:43:52,480
hand up first so I don't know oh yeah no

2436
01:43:48,400 --> 01:43:55,239
I was just um just want to be really

2437
01:43:52,480 --> 01:43:57,400
careful like as we're adding I think

2438
01:43:55,239 --> 01:43:59,119
that that that's a fair suggestion say

2439
01:43:57,400 --> 01:44:02,080
like you know by signing this you're

2440
01:43:59,119 --> 01:44:04,199
acknowledging that that you're expected

2441
01:44:02,080 --> 01:44:07,599
to act Within These data parameters I

2442
01:44:04,199 --> 01:44:08,480
just um as far as like consequences if

2443
01:44:07,599 --> 01:44:11,040
you

2444
01:44:08,480 --> 01:44:13,040
will um we have to just be mindful you

2445
01:44:11,040 --> 01:44:16,480
know we don't want to discourage people

2446
01:44:13,040 --> 01:44:18,239
to you know after every time people come

2447
01:44:16,480 --> 01:44:20,239
up the sleep we always thank them for

2448
01:44:18,239 --> 01:44:22,520
their input um and I just want to make

2449
01:44:20,239 --> 01:44:24,320
sure that we encourage more of that and

2450
01:44:22,520 --> 01:44:28,119
just be mindful that's all I guess I

2451
01:44:24,320 --> 01:44:31,159
would say about like balancing that

2452
01:44:28,119 --> 01:44:33,599
on what people's

2453
01:44:31,159 --> 01:44:35,280
uh ability to come down and speak I

2454
01:44:33,599 --> 01:44:39,480
think is important

2455
01:44:35,280 --> 01:44:43,760
that's I'm comfortable yes M Gage um I

2456
01:44:39,480 --> 01:44:46,360
would request and recommend uh that we

2457
01:44:43,760 --> 01:44:48,119
do some legal review of that prior to

2458
01:44:46,360 --> 01:44:50,679
passing this

2459
01:44:48,119 --> 01:44:53,119
forward review that if they sign it that

2460
01:44:50,679 --> 01:44:57,679
there're adhering to it um yeah look at

2461
01:44:53,119 --> 01:44:59,480
into um the legalities of

2462
01:44:57,679 --> 01:45:03,520
that

2463
01:44:59,480 --> 01:45:06,159
okay could you let us know in two weeks

2464
01:45:03,520 --> 01:45:08,400
absolutely um and and I guess we need to

2465
01:45:06,159 --> 01:45:11,040
further discuss if we want to even

2466
01:45:08,400 --> 01:45:14,040
consider adding what Mr Williams has

2467
01:45:11,040 --> 01:45:16,239
suggested Miss Patrick I think um that

2468
01:45:14,040 --> 01:45:20,599
number I agree with you that number 16

2469
01:45:16,239 --> 01:45:23,480
covers um a consequence but um so I

2470
01:45:20,599 --> 01:45:26,599
think after Corporation C has the

2471
01:45:23,480 --> 01:45:29,760
opportunity to review um but I think

2472
01:45:26,599 --> 01:45:29,760
that does sort of State

2473
01:45:29,920 --> 01:45:34,119
consequences um and I think yeah I I

2474
01:45:32,719 --> 01:45:37,239
agree and I think that it's important

2475
01:45:34,119 --> 01:45:41,119
that we you know um let people know what

2476
01:45:37,239 --> 01:45:43,760
what the expectation is but um I am with

2477
01:45:41,119 --> 01:45:46,719
as Mr gley I'm kind of like want to be

2478
01:45:43,760 --> 01:45:46,719
careful of the over

2479
01:45:47,119 --> 01:45:52,280
policing yes Mr Farley cuz some I mean

2480
01:45:50,080 --> 01:45:54,400
cuz some of the language I mean even

2481
01:45:52,280 --> 01:45:57,639
though I think that you might have a

2482
01:45:54,400 --> 01:45:59,239
pretty clear well at least a uh we might

2483
01:45:57,639 --> 01:46:01,840
be able to build consensus around what

2484
01:45:59,239 --> 01:46:04,599
we think is vulgar or inflammatory you

2485
01:46:01,840 --> 01:46:06,800
know I think that something that you do

2486
01:46:04,599 --> 01:46:09,000
really well is if if people seem to be

2487
01:46:06,800 --> 01:46:11,080
Crossing that line you remind them and I

2488
01:46:09,000 --> 01:46:13,400
think that and what usually happens from

2489
01:46:11,080 --> 01:46:16,679
what I have my experience when someone

2490
01:46:13,400 --> 01:46:18,000
says something um that might be closely

2491
01:46:16,679 --> 01:46:21,480
getting ready to cross that line you

2492
01:46:18,000 --> 01:46:23,199
address them and then they uh are more

2493
01:46:21,480 --> 01:46:25,280
mindful in their words and and I think

2494
01:46:23,199 --> 01:46:26,520
that that's important because I think

2495
01:46:25,280 --> 01:46:29,599
that when we put something on paper

2496
01:46:26,520 --> 01:46:33,239
saying if you do this then this is the

2497
01:46:29,599 --> 01:46:34,920
consequence well maybe to some people

2498
01:46:33,239 --> 01:46:37,400
some of the things that they might be

2499
01:46:34,920 --> 01:46:39,119
saying might not be inflammatory and or

2500
01:46:37,400 --> 01:46:42,040
threaten right we might perceive them

2501
01:46:39,119 --> 01:46:45,760
differently so I like that at least

2502
01:46:42,040 --> 01:46:48,239
that kind of uh guard rail of you just

2503
01:46:45,760 --> 01:46:49,679
saying hey that's you're you know you're

2504
01:46:48,239 --> 01:46:51,199
getting close to this thing so I just

2505
01:46:49,679 --> 01:46:52,560
think that that's important too and I

2506
01:46:51,199 --> 01:46:55,280
think that that might have to be in some

2507
01:46:52,560 --> 01:46:57,119
langage as well because that is really

2508
01:46:55,280 --> 01:46:58,840
that might just be something that you do

2509
01:46:57,119 --> 01:47:01,080
as you know as a matter of practice and

2510
01:46:58,840 --> 01:47:04,199
not necessarily a matter of policy so I

2511
01:47:01,080 --> 01:47:07,119
know we're talking about policy

2512
01:47:04,199 --> 01:47:09,679
here well again I me I think that it

2513
01:47:07,119 --> 01:47:11,280
looks like five of us agreed to this um

2514
01:47:09,679 --> 01:47:15,639
not saying that we wouldn't ever change

2515
01:47:11,280 --> 01:47:18,800
our minds but um we we did vote for this

2516
01:47:15,639 --> 01:47:20,480
and you know it's it's pretty clear in

2517
01:47:18,800 --> 01:47:23,560
terms of the language that's that's

2518
01:47:20,480 --> 01:47:26,280
that's here and I agree that I think the

2519
01:47:23,560 --> 01:47:28,560
council president um as you did last

2520
01:47:26,280 --> 01:47:32,800
week for example you opened the meeting

2521
01:47:28,560 --> 01:47:36,599
really kind of reminding people about um

2522
01:47:32,800 --> 01:47:39,639
the public comment period um and then

2523
01:47:36,599 --> 01:47:42,639
did you know kind of um that's the word

2524
01:47:39,639 --> 01:47:45,440
I'm looking for Marshall uh the

2525
01:47:42,639 --> 01:47:47,520
discussion um so I think that that's I

2526
01:47:45,440 --> 01:47:49,119
think what you're saying as well that um

2527
01:47:47,520 --> 01:47:53,080
you know we do have that ability for the

2528
01:47:49,119 --> 01:47:55,800
council president um to

2529
01:47:53,080 --> 01:47:58,280
make an announcement and then you know

2530
01:47:55,800 --> 01:47:59,960
has the timer and has the ability to I

2531
01:47:58,280 --> 01:48:02,199
think you've you know many times have

2532
01:47:59,960 --> 01:48:04,239
said direct your comments here you have

2533
01:48:02,199 --> 01:48:05,560
you have different statements or the

2534
01:48:04,239 --> 01:48:07,360
council president has different

2535
01:48:05,560 --> 01:48:08,119
statements that that does sort of keep

2536
01:48:07,360 --> 01:48:11,199
the

2537
01:48:08,119 --> 01:48:13,960
conversation going within you know

2538
01:48:11,199 --> 01:48:16,520
appropriateness appropriate

2539
01:48:13,960 --> 01:48:19,400
guidelines so I'm I'm fine with just

2540
01:48:16,520 --> 01:48:24,360
saying that one if um once we um make

2541
01:48:19,400 --> 01:48:27,159
sure that it's legally um okay to do

2542
01:48:24,360 --> 01:48:29,639
yes Mr yeah Madam president just a

2543
01:48:27,159 --> 01:48:32,480
question when you know they would be

2544
01:48:29,639 --> 01:48:34,880
free to sign it or not sign it in other

2545
01:48:32,480 --> 01:48:37,239
words that would that impact them being

2546
01:48:34,880 --> 01:48:39,159
called or not yes with no name no I

2547
01:48:37,239 --> 01:48:41,320
can't call you so that would go for

2548
01:48:39,159 --> 01:48:43,199
their sign signing once you sign that's

2549
01:48:41,320 --> 01:48:45,440
the only that's how we know to call a

2550
01:48:43,199 --> 01:48:47,400
person up to speak and it also clearly

2551
01:48:45,440 --> 01:48:51,719
states that once the meeting's begun you

2552
01:48:47,400 --> 01:48:54,280
cannot um then um be you know be signed

2553
01:48:51,719 --> 01:48:56,080
up to speak so so your signature is what

2554
01:48:54,280 --> 01:48:57,920
gets you get your name called that's how

2555
01:48:56,080 --> 01:49:00,199
we but we don't have right now have them

2556
01:48:57,920 --> 01:49:02,360
signing this type of document no no it's

2557
01:49:00,199 --> 01:49:04,560
just the sign and Sheet the sign sheet

2558
01:49:02,360 --> 01:49:06,960
has this on it okay but it's not an

2559
01:49:04,560 --> 01:49:08,639
acknowledgement you're looking for for

2560
01:49:06,960 --> 01:49:11,040
wording where it says this acknowledges

2561
01:49:08,639 --> 01:49:13,679
you've read the above and BU as part of

2562
01:49:11,040 --> 01:49:15,080
this yes okay as as part of where what

2563
01:49:13,679 --> 01:49:17,440
we already have just the last thing to

2564
01:49:15,080 --> 01:49:21,320
say and signing that you agree to these

2565
01:49:17,440 --> 01:49:23,199
rules okay all right and of course as we

2566
01:49:21,320 --> 01:49:25,360
do with any changes we'll just make sure

2567
01:49:23,199 --> 01:49:29,199
that's clear to the public okay um when

2568
01:49:25,360 --> 01:49:31,719
they come okay mhm thank

2569
01:49:29,199 --> 01:49:33,040
you so we'll put bring this back well

2570
01:49:31,719 --> 01:49:35,400
you'll let us know in two weeks whether

2571
01:49:33,040 --> 01:49:39,199
it is or not we'll have the information

2572
01:49:35,400 --> 01:49:39,199
absolutely okay thank

2573
01:49:40,080 --> 01:49:45,480
you okay

2574
01:49:42,599 --> 01:49:46,920
um and the next item is just a reminder

2575
01:49:45,480 --> 01:49:48,280
regarding the Amendments of the zoning

2576
01:49:46,920 --> 01:49:50,880
ordinance relating to the Hamilton Hill

2577
01:49:48,280 --> 01:49:54,719
Redevelopment planning Redevelopment

2578
01:49:50,880 --> 01:49:56,400
plan also referred to as conect 340 and

2579
01:49:54,719 --> 01:49:58,040
the public hearing is going to be on the

2580
01:49:56,400 --> 01:50:03,199
24th

2581
01:49:58,040 --> 01:50:03,199
of um June so as just a

2582
01:50:03,320 --> 01:50:09,199
reminder the remainder of the items will

2583
01:50:06,000 --> 01:50:11,920
have to be done in the executive

2584
01:50:09,199 --> 01:50:14,040
session so I ask for a motion to go

2585
01:50:11,920 --> 01:50:16,040
second session

2586
01:50:14,040 --> 01:50:18,239
second all in

2587
01:50:16,040 --> 01:50:20,080
favor members of the public will have to

2588
01:50:18,239 --> 01:50:25,080
leave I

2589
01:50:20,080 --> 01:50:28,080
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2590
01:50:25,080 --> 01:50:28,080
he

2591
01:50:28,200 --> 01:50:31,660
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