1 00:00:01,270 --> 00:00:56,610 [Music] 2 00:01:03,610 --> 00:01:47,090 [Music] 3 00:01:47,020 --> 00:01:50,329 [Applause] 4 00:01:47,090 --> 00:01:50,329 [Music] 5 00:01:52,850 --> 00:01:58,459 [Music] 6 00:02:03,540 --> 00:03:02,620 [Music] 7 00:03:00,280 --> 00:04:08,089 a 8 00:03:02,620 --> 00:04:08,089 [Music] 9 00:04:10,480 --> 00:04:13,480 53 10 00:04:52,320 --> 00:04:56,280 I'd like to call to ord connected city 11 00:04:54,199 --> 00:05:01,560 council committee meeting for 12 00:04:56,280 --> 00:05:01,560 Monday July 1st and mayor 13 00:05:06,240 --> 00:05:09,160 oh sorry 14 00:05:09,479 --> 00:05:12,680 sorry thank 15 00:05:16,160 --> 00:05:22,720 you 16 00:05:18,520 --> 00:05:22,720 thanks thank you 17 00:05:31,800 --> 00:05:36,199 want to reconvene the uh s the urban 18 00:05:34,960 --> 00:05:38,759 renewal 19 00:05:36,199 --> 00:05:42,680 agency uh have one item before us 20 00:05:38,759 --> 00:05:46,520 tonight the appointment a uh Contracting 21 00:05:42,680 --> 00:05:49,880 officer is required state law and then 22 00:05:46,520 --> 00:05:52,080 would in the next cycle entertain 23 00:05:49,880 --> 00:05:55,039 modifications to the 24 00:05:52,080 --> 00:05:57,199 bylaws so that council president has 25 00:05:55,039 --> 00:06:00,680 some issues on that staff has some 26 00:05:57,199 --> 00:06:03,800 issues to like other things to bring up 27 00:06:00,680 --> 00:06:06,360 to date along with this one particular 28 00:06:03,800 --> 00:06:08,160 component so at this point I for the 29 00:06:06,360 --> 00:06:11,840 intern would entertain a motion to 30 00:06:08,160 --> 00:06:14,000 appoint Alexander Carver as the 31 00:06:11,840 --> 00:06:16,199 Contracting officer for 32 00:06:14,000 --> 00:06:19,400 Surah mve 33 00:06:16,199 --> 00:06:24,400 by Patrick have a second seconded 34 00:06:19,400 --> 00:06:31,160 by Toro all in favor I I any oppos 35 00:06:24,400 --> 00:06:31,160 resolution carries uh five six I two abs 36 00:06:33,759 --> 00:06:38,639 anything else to come before the 37 00:06:35,639 --> 00:06:42,639 agency entertain a motion to adjourn 38 00:06:38,639 --> 00:06:48,199 Some Mo have a second second all in 39 00:06:42,639 --> 00:06:48,199 favor I any opposed agency stands 40 00:06:56,960 --> 00:07:01,879 journ um first I'd like to order against 41 00:07:00,160 --> 00:07:03,759 connected city council committee meeting 42 00:07:01,879 --> 00:07:05,319 for Monday July 1st and the first 43 00:07:03,759 --> 00:07:09,479 committee is health and 44 00:07:05,319 --> 00:07:11,520 Recreation yes hi um like to um call to 45 00:07:09,479 --> 00:07:12,960 order health and Recreation our first it 46 00:07:11,520 --> 00:07:16,039 we have two items on the agenda this 47 00:07:12,960 --> 00:07:17,919 evening the first item um is presented 48 00:07:16,039 --> 00:07:19,960 by Mr Williams it's a ceremonial 49 00:07:17,919 --> 00:07:22,440 resolution recognizing the youth 50 00:07:19,960 --> 00:07:24,720 auxiliary group called Al tari court 51 00:07:22,440 --> 00:07:26,720 number 28 Mr willians thank you so I 52 00:07:24,720 --> 00:07:28,560 think it's always a nice uh recognition 53 00:07:26,720 --> 00:07:29,960 for us to pause and just acknowledge the 54 00:07:28,560 --> 00:07:32,599 accomplishments of some of our youth 55 00:07:29,960 --> 00:07:35,360 within the city um so as you can read in 56 00:07:32,599 --> 00:07:37,759 our packet uh they they took the the 57 00:07:35,360 --> 00:07:39,479 pleasure of placing second in a recent 58 00:07:37,759 --> 00:07:41,759 competition Down Louisiana and then in 59 00:07:39,479 --> 00:07:44,879 addition to having their drill team come 60 00:07:41,759 --> 00:07:46,879 and do a mini drill for us the next 61 00:07:44,879 --> 00:07:48,919 Monday at all things uh work with their 62 00:07:46,879 --> 00:07:51,520 planning uh again I think it's nice to 63 00:07:48,919 --> 00:07:53,120 just U to just acknowledge and just 64 00:07:51,520 --> 00:07:55,520 appreciate the uh the achievements of 65 00:07:53,120 --> 00:08:00,800 our our younger individuals in the 66 00:07:55,520 --> 00:08:05,479 community excellent so um we 67 00:08:00,800 --> 00:08:05,479 we need a motion to to do so that's for 68 00:08:07,440 --> 00:08:15,479 motion okay dor second you me and all in 69 00:08:12,360 --> 00:08:18,280 favor I okay sorry about 70 00:08:15,479 --> 00:08:20,000 that okay the next item is a discussion 71 00:08:18,280 --> 00:08:23,039 a continued discussion of Central Park 72 00:08:20,000 --> 00:08:27,159 swimming pool fees hours and security um 73 00:08:23,039 --> 00:08:29,039 I put some materials in your packets um 74 00:08:27,159 --> 00:08:32,240 it was a lot to send out so I decided to 75 00:08:29,039 --> 00:08:34,800 just bring uh this evening and I would 76 00:08:32,240 --> 00:08:38,719 ask that people review it um what I did 77 00:08:34,800 --> 00:08:41,279 was look at our um missa Guilderland and 78 00:08:38,719 --> 00:08:44,680 Colony uh to look at what their fees are 79 00:08:41,279 --> 00:08:46,920 as well as their uh pool rules um 80 00:08:44,680 --> 00:08:50,279 there's some there's some things that 81 00:08:46,920 --> 00:08:51,760 are consistent and others that aren't um 82 00:08:50,279 --> 00:08:54,560 so I wanted to have a little bit of a 83 00:08:51,760 --> 00:08:57,640 discussion about this 84 00:08:54,560 --> 00:09:00,959 um Miss Yuna has uh three separate 85 00:08:57,640 --> 00:09:03,880 Seasons to their pool um and they also 86 00:09:00,959 --> 00:09:06,480 have um on their uh site they talk about 87 00:09:03,880 --> 00:09:09,800 rules for if swim meets are were going 88 00:09:06,480 --> 00:09:15,200 to happen um they have season 89 00:09:09,800 --> 00:09:15,200 passes um as does 90 00:09:16,120 --> 00:09:24,360 um as does the uh the Guilderland Town 91 00:09:20,360 --> 00:09:26,880 pool um and actually all three have 92 00:09:24,360 --> 00:09:30,640 season rates um and they're different 93 00:09:26,880 --> 00:09:33,000 between uh the rates very depending on 94 00:09:30,640 --> 00:09:34,600 whether how old a child is whether 95 00:09:33,000 --> 00:09:37,000 somebody's a senior whether it's an 96 00:09:34,600 --> 00:09:39,519 adult um so this is a lot of information 97 00:09:37,000 --> 00:09:42,519 I think we may have to um take a look at 98 00:09:39,519 --> 00:09:43,519 it and come back again um I'm hoping to 99 00:09:42,519 --> 00:09:45,959 have a meeting of the health and 100 00:09:43,519 --> 00:09:48,560 Recreation committee as well um before 101 00:09:45,959 --> 00:09:50,079 our next meeting um to review this uh 102 00:09:48,560 --> 00:09:52,440 this information again this is not the 103 00:09:50,079 --> 00:09:53,839 end all be all but it is the um 104 00:09:52,440 --> 00:09:57,480 municipalities that are around us 105 00:09:53,839 --> 00:10:00,160 there's no public pool um that I could 106 00:09:57,480 --> 00:10:02,040 find in Scotia or Glenville so jump in 107 00:10:00,160 --> 00:10:03,399 if I'm wrong there anybody from Scotia 108 00:10:02,040 --> 00:10:05,880 or lenville 109 00:10:03,399 --> 00:10:08,399 but but I think it's really important I 110 00:10:05,880 --> 00:10:10,720 think um what I've heard so far um from 111 00:10:08,399 --> 00:10:13,440 some some folks I've heard concerns that 112 00:10:10,720 --> 00:10:15,839 there's been children in the pool with 113 00:10:13,440 --> 00:10:20,040 diapers um I've heard concerns that 114 00:10:15,839 --> 00:10:21,680 there's been glass um containers in use 115 00:10:20,040 --> 00:10:24,519 um these are things that I don't think 116 00:10:21,680 --> 00:10:26,279 should be happening um so I think we 117 00:10:24,519 --> 00:10:28,560 definitely have to have some rules and 118 00:10:26,279 --> 00:10:30,720 have some posted rules the other side of 119 00:10:28,560 --> 00:10:35,360 that is the enforcement of those rules 120 00:10:30,720 --> 00:10:36,880 so again we have um youth employees uh 121 00:10:35,360 --> 00:10:39,480 that come to us through the Boys and 122 00:10:36,880 --> 00:10:41,320 Girls Club so all of this is are things 123 00:10:39,480 --> 00:10:43,079 that we need to take into consideration 124 00:10:41,320 --> 00:10:46,320 and I'd like to bring up at a health and 125 00:10:43,079 --> 00:10:48,800 Recreation uh meeting um and anyone 126 00:10:46,320 --> 00:10:52,399 would be welcome to attend as well but 127 00:10:48,800 --> 00:10:54,560 um we have to post that uh Etc so I will 128 00:10:52,399 --> 00:10:56,560 get around to doing that as well but 129 00:10:54,560 --> 00:11:00,040 does anybody have any comments or has 130 00:10:56,560 --> 00:11:01,440 anybody else been hearing any concerns 131 00:11:00,040 --> 00:11:03,959 um 132 00:11:01,440 --> 00:11:05,120 Mr so I actually have a question and 133 00:11:03,959 --> 00:11:06,639 probably it would probably be more for 134 00:11:05,120 --> 00:11:09,760 the mayor iny because you mentioned it 135 00:11:06,639 --> 00:11:11,360 Miss Patrick in terms of signage so um 136 00:11:09,760 --> 00:11:13,639 the signage would be separate apart from 137 00:11:11,360 --> 00:11:15,360 the fee thing so are we I know that we 138 00:11:13,639 --> 00:11:18,120 talked about a couple minuts ago about 139 00:11:15,360 --> 00:11:19,200 the signage so will there be signage uh 140 00:11:18,120 --> 00:11:20,600 we don't have to wait till we get 141 00:11:19,200 --> 00:11:22,600 through this process for the signage for 142 00:11:20,600 --> 00:11:24,880 the pool in terms of the rule there was 143 00:11:22,600 --> 00:11:27,120 signage that was put up initially then 144 00:11:24,880 --> 00:11:30,519 some of was modified in the last couple 145 00:11:27,120 --> 00:11:32,160 days that by understanding been put up I 146 00:11:30,519 --> 00:11:35,560 I've been up there to actually see if 147 00:11:32,160 --> 00:11:37,680 it's been up not as of today about 2 o' 148 00:11:35,560 --> 00:11:40,839 I didn't see any there 149 00:11:37,680 --> 00:11:43,079 um and and my other question was 150 00:11:40,839 --> 00:11:44,480 somebody will have a rough War tomorrow 151 00:11:43,079 --> 00:11:47,519 well I hope 152 00:11:44,480 --> 00:11:49,440 not um the other question was in terms 153 00:11:47,519 --> 00:11:51,240 of if we're going to be charging fees we 154 00:11:49,440 --> 00:11:53,519 have to talk about considering how that 155 00:11:51,240 --> 00:11:54,800 Staffing works right now there's a a 156 00:11:53,519 --> 00:11:57,880 person there from the Boys and Girls 157 00:11:54,800 --> 00:11:59,720 Club who is just taking names and ages 158 00:11:57,880 --> 00:12:01,920 we we would have to consider that um the 159 00:11:59,720 --> 00:12:05,200 town of Colones Park they actually have 160 00:12:01,920 --> 00:12:07,079 fobs key fobs for residents um so 161 00:12:05,200 --> 00:12:10,200 residents have to go to town hall to get 162 00:12:07,079 --> 00:12:15,000 the fob 163 00:12:10,200 --> 00:12:18,040 um also it's this idea of residents and 164 00:12:15,000 --> 00:12:21,199 in in all all of these cases a resident 165 00:12:18,040 --> 00:12:22,880 can bring a non-resident guest but it's 166 00:12:21,199 --> 00:12:26,120 not that a non-resident is getting into 167 00:12:22,880 --> 00:12:28,800 the pool without a resident hosting them 168 00:12:26,120 --> 00:12:30,680 um there's also um again you'll see that 169 00:12:28,800 --> 00:12:33,440 uh there could be a limit on the number 170 00:12:30,680 --> 00:12:36,000 of non-residents that a resident can 171 00:12:33,440 --> 00:12:38,399 bring to the pool um so these are all 172 00:12:36,000 --> 00:12:43,199 things that um we have to make decisions 173 00:12:38,399 --> 00:12:44,480 about um okay moving forward so I guess 174 00:12:43,199 --> 00:12:46,199 um I'll try to have a meeting of the 175 00:12:44,480 --> 00:12:48,440 health and Recreation committee I have 176 00:12:46,199 --> 00:12:49,959 to get with the other folks and um we'll 177 00:12:48,440 --> 00:12:52,880 have to come up with recommendations so 178 00:12:49,959 --> 00:12:55,000 I would ask that you review this Mr Rini 179 00:12:52,880 --> 00:12:57,399 did you have a comment I I I would I one 180 00:12:55,000 --> 00:13:00,279 of current rules the Boys and Girls Club 181 00:12:57,399 --> 00:13:03,160 have regards the 182 00:13:00,279 --> 00:13:07,920 and and then possibly you know they 183 00:13:03,160 --> 00:13:10,320 probably have um mechanisms to where a 184 00:13:07,920 --> 00:13:12,880 given membership they they serve many 185 00:13:10,320 --> 00:13:15,480 many youth in their clubs so they may 186 00:13:12,880 --> 00:13:17,600 have existing methods where they maybe 187 00:13:15,480 --> 00:13:19,880 take youth photos or and issue 188 00:13:17,600 --> 00:13:21,760 memberships we can inquire into what 189 00:13:19,880 --> 00:13:24,040 they're currently doing and see if any 190 00:13:21,760 --> 00:13:26,240 of those practices would work and if not 191 00:13:24,040 --> 00:13:28,760 look to some 192 00:13:26,240 --> 00:13:30,279 Alternatives and the Nisa is that for 193 00:13:28,760 --> 00:13:32,639 resident 194 00:13:30,279 --> 00:13:36,240 you know it's for 195 00:13:32,639 --> 00:13:38,639 um this is for residents okay yeah I 196 00:13:36,240 --> 00:13:40,399 thought it was kind of um neat that they 197 00:13:38,639 --> 00:13:43,519 also give their volunteer firefighters 198 00:13:40,399 --> 00:13:45,480 free season passes to the um again they 199 00:13:43,519 --> 00:13:50,079 don't get any compensation but I thought 200 00:13:45,480 --> 00:13:50,079 that was kind of cool as well in 201 00:13:50,240 --> 00:13:54,720 this Sorry Miss guro that's right I'm um 202 00:13:53,440 --> 00:13:56,040 I'm hoping that you can call this 203 00:13:54,720 --> 00:13:57,800 Committee of health and Recreation 204 00:13:56,040 --> 00:13:59,279 committee together as soon as possible I 205 00:13:57,800 --> 00:14:02,160 think it's imperative that we get some 206 00:13:59,279 --> 00:14:03,600 things in order over there um I heard a 207 00:14:02,160 --> 00:14:06,680 lot of things a lot of great things a 208 00:14:03,600 --> 00:14:10,360 lot of things that need addressing um 209 00:14:06,680 --> 00:14:11,959 it's it's definitely a welcomed resource 210 00:14:10,360 --> 00:14:14,360 in our community especially with the 211 00:14:11,959 --> 00:14:15,800 weather we've been having um says a lot 212 00:14:14,360 --> 00:14:18,199 about the fact that people are waiting 213 00:14:15,800 --> 00:14:20,800 to get in there but um there's just a 214 00:14:18,199 --> 00:14:24,079 lot of things that that you know have 215 00:14:20,800 --> 00:14:25,560 been um individuals have approached me 216 00:14:24,079 --> 00:14:27,959 with that that I think need to be 217 00:14:25,560 --> 00:14:32,160 addressed um the second thing is I would 218 00:14:27,959 --> 00:14:35,320 like to see if we can add a senior uh 219 00:14:32,160 --> 00:14:38,959 mornings um a senior special time to 220 00:14:35,320 --> 00:14:40,800 senior swim um I had quite a few emails 221 00:14:38,959 --> 00:14:43,279 and phone calls regarding that so the 222 00:14:40,800 --> 00:14:45,560 pool opens at noon every day from 11: to 223 00:14:43,279 --> 00:14:47,800 12: um you know especially with the 224 00:14:45,560 --> 00:14:50,480 resistance pool there um and a lot of 225 00:14:47,800 --> 00:14:52,639 seniors like to get into the water so um 226 00:14:50,480 --> 00:14:54,639 I'd like to see that uh definitely 227 00:14:52,639 --> 00:14:55,720 moving forward and then you know have a 228 00:14:54,639 --> 00:14:57,360 discussion with the health and 229 00:14:55,720 --> 00:14:59,279 Recreation as far as the other things 230 00:14:57,360 --> 00:15:02,160 that are happening there at the pool 231 00:14:59,279 --> 00:15:05,240 okay well um again our committee is U 232 00:15:02,160 --> 00:15:07,839 myself um M Doro and Mr Farley so I'll 233 00:15:05,240 --> 00:15:09,639 be reaching out to you guys tomorrow um 234 00:15:07,839 --> 00:15:11,199 to try to get that in as soon as 235 00:15:09,639 --> 00:15:14,560 possible so that when we come back 236 00:15:11,199 --> 00:15:16,800 together on July 15th for a committee 237 00:15:14,560 --> 00:15:19,440 meeting um we our committee will make a 238 00:15:16,800 --> 00:15:20,680 recommendation to the the larger Council 239 00:15:19,440 --> 00:15:23,440 does that sound 240 00:15:20,680 --> 00:15:25,839 good okay anybody have any other 241 00:15:23,440 --> 00:15:27,240 thoughts or comments just follow Mr 242 00:15:25,839 --> 00:15:29,440 manini's 243 00:15:27,240 --> 00:15:31,680 comment kind of the standard that the 244 00:15:29,440 --> 00:15:35,319 boys and girls club used in the past is 245 00:15:31,680 --> 00:15:37,199 using this year is the city school 246 00:15:35,319 --> 00:15:41,360 district ID 247 00:15:37,199 --> 00:15:46,040 for uh kids going in so that they use 248 00:15:41,360 --> 00:15:49,360 that accting and as a uh reference for 249 00:15:46,040 --> 00:15:51,519 validating where they live and just who 250 00:15:49,360 --> 00:15:51,519 they 251 00:15:53,839 --> 00:15:57,959 are so I was just thinking that as we 252 00:15:56,319 --> 00:16:00,000 look at this I feel like being that this 253 00:15:57,959 --> 00:16:02,519 with new beautiful thing that we have 254 00:16:00,000 --> 00:16:04,279 happened in City work is again to Mr T 255 00:16:02,519 --> 00:16:06,759 welcome by the 256 00:16:04,279 --> 00:16:08,279 community I still want to get into a 257 00:16:06,759 --> 00:16:10,160 place where we start I still want to 258 00:16:08,279 --> 00:16:12,040 leave some room for us to be responsive 259 00:16:10,160 --> 00:16:14,440 to like what the needs of the community 260 00:16:12,040 --> 00:16:17,199 are so in other words like I think that 261 00:16:14,440 --> 00:16:18,759 there are some rules that are probably 262 00:16:17,199 --> 00:16:21,800 pre-existed the pool when you're in 263 00:16:18,759 --> 00:16:23,199 another location and sometimes it's not 264 00:16:21,800 --> 00:16:24,560 necessary about like implementing new 265 00:16:23,199 --> 00:16:26,120 rules but making sure the ones that are 266 00:16:24,560 --> 00:16:28,959 existing are followed with some level of 267 00:16:26,120 --> 00:16:30,199 fidelity so I would just um as we're 268 00:16:28,959 --> 00:16:31,880 thinking about what we could do at this 269 00:16:30,199 --> 00:16:34,360 schol we want to give ourselves some 270 00:16:31,880 --> 00:16:36,560 some autonomy here to say hey this is 271 00:16:34,360 --> 00:16:38,319 working well for the community and this 272 00:16:36,560 --> 00:16:40,199 isn't and I think that maybe it'd be 273 00:16:38,319 --> 00:16:41,639 wise for us to just know that as we 274 00:16:40,199 --> 00:16:43,720 enter this conversation that this might 275 00:16:41,639 --> 00:16:46,440 be something that comes up again and we 276 00:16:43,720 --> 00:16:48,720 should be expecting to maybe make some 277 00:16:46,440 --> 00:16:51,440 adjustments as it relas to as what we 278 00:16:48,720 --> 00:16:53,680 see come up I'll when I actually I'll 279 00:16:51,440 --> 00:16:55,759 call the boys and girls SP and see what 280 00:16:53,680 --> 00:16:58,240 the current rules um have been because I 281 00:16:55,759 --> 00:17:02,079 haven't done that yet so um I'll do that 282 00:16:58,240 --> 00:17:06,280 before I reached out to them okay yes so 283 00:17:02,079 --> 00:17:08,039 um again you have the rules they have 284 00:17:06,280 --> 00:17:11,280 they're in their 285 00:17:08,039 --> 00:17:12,760 Transit okay great yes I spoke to them 286 00:17:11,280 --> 00:17:14,959 as well and they are going to be sending 287 00:17:12,760 --> 00:17:16,799 that but my understanding there is 288 00:17:14,959 --> 00:17:19,679 already uh something underway for rules 289 00:17:16,799 --> 00:17:22,400 to be developed based on what the mayor 290 00:17:19,679 --> 00:17:26,720 said okay 291 00:17:22,400 --> 00:17:29,080 yes so I'm trying to confirm that the 292 00:17:26,720 --> 00:17:30,960 sign which has been printed should 293 00:17:29,080 --> 00:17:34,280 install I thought was going to 294 00:17:30,960 --> 00:17:34,280 happen last 295 00:17:35,679 --> 00:17:40,880 week I I just I just want to say that 296 00:17:38,679 --> 00:17:42,640 today when I was up at Central Park uh 297 00:17:40,880 --> 00:17:44,360 just walking into the park there was a 298 00:17:42,640 --> 00:17:46,679 young man coming towards me with a towel 299 00:17:44,360 --> 00:17:48,280 around his neck and I said Hey how do 300 00:17:46,679 --> 00:17:51,080 you like that pool and he said oh the 301 00:17:48,280 --> 00:17:53,600 pool's closed and I 302 00:17:51,080 --> 00:17:56,000 said no I don't think the pool's closed 303 00:17:53,600 --> 00:17:57,640 and it turned out he went to the old I 304 00:17:56,000 --> 00:17:59,280 said we have this like incredible new 305 00:17:57,640 --> 00:18:01,720 pool you need to turn around right now 306 00:17:59,280 --> 00:18:03,159 and go back to the pool but uh he he 307 00:18:01,720 --> 00:18:04,320 said it's getting a little late now I 308 00:18:03,159 --> 00:18:06,960 have to go 309 00:18:04,320 --> 00:18:08,679 home so obviously we need to get more 310 00:18:06,960 --> 00:18:12,520 promotion out there about the new pool 311 00:18:08,679 --> 00:18:13,559 as well um so I just want to say I mean 312 00:18:12,520 --> 00:18:15,120 I know that we have these other things 313 00:18:13,559 --> 00:18:17,080 that we need to do but overall to have 314 00:18:15,120 --> 00:18:19,120 the pool there I've been get a lot of 315 00:18:17,080 --> 00:18:21,640 really wonderful feedback there were 316 00:18:19,120 --> 00:18:22,919 lines and not necessarily one people 317 00:18:21,640 --> 00:18:24,640 waiting in the line but there there 318 00:18:22,919 --> 00:18:26,720 people were just excited about it so uh 319 00:18:24,640 --> 00:18:29,080 we'll iron up those details absolutely 320 00:18:26,720 --> 00:18:32,039 no to it's a fantastic thing I'm 321 00:18:29,080 --> 00:18:33,559 thrilled that we have it so Mr Williams 322 00:18:32,039 --> 00:18:35,039 uh just a point of clarification outside 323 00:18:33,559 --> 00:18:37,240 of the lifeguards are there any other 324 00:18:35,039 --> 00:18:38,880 guardians or just oversight figures 325 00:18:37,240 --> 00:18:41,120 there I think the only worry that I have 326 00:18:38,880 --> 00:18:42,840 is who's going to be responsible for 327 00:18:41,120 --> 00:18:44,400 implementing or like reinforcing some of 328 00:18:42,840 --> 00:18:46,360 these rules I think the expectation 329 00:18:44,400 --> 00:18:47,600 shouldn't be for like teenagers or 330 00:18:46,360 --> 00:18:50,480 college students to be calling out 331 00:18:47,600 --> 00:18:52,960 adults for not adhering to the to the 332 00:18:50,480 --> 00:18:54,600 expectations in the pool honey I'll 333 00:18:52,960 --> 00:18:56,400 defer to the mayor but my guess is that 334 00:18:54,600 --> 00:18:58,240 it's the boys and girls club uh 335 00:18:56,400 --> 00:18:59,960 lifeguards that are the people that are 336 00:18:58,240 --> 00:19:02,520 there and I I think we also are going to 337 00:18:59,960 --> 00:19:04,360 have to I mean obviously uh depending on 338 00:19:02,520 --> 00:19:06,280 the age of the child at least when you 339 00:19:04,360 --> 00:19:09,799 when you go through this an adult needs 340 00:19:06,280 --> 00:19:12,840 to be present with children um so one 341 00:19:09,799 --> 00:19:16,120 would hope that you know we would also 342 00:19:12,840 --> 00:19:18,919 um have our parents uh 343 00:19:16,120 --> 00:19:20,240 the following rules as well but 344 00:19:18,919 --> 00:19:21,360 currently the Boys and Girls Club you 345 00:19:20,240 --> 00:19:23,280 have to be um with the rules that 346 00:19:21,360 --> 00:19:26,000 they're using you have to be um if 347 00:19:23,280 --> 00:19:27,760 you're 13 and under or 12 and under so 348 00:19:26,000 --> 00:19:29,360 13 and up you can be on your own but 12 349 00:19:27,760 --> 00:19:31,640 and under you have to be accompanied by 350 00:19:29,360 --> 00:19:34,960 a parent or Guardian that's a little 351 00:19:31,640 --> 00:19:37,200 older than some Mr Williams point the 352 00:19:34,960 --> 00:19:41,720 front line is the staff and boys and 353 00:19:37,200 --> 00:19:47,480 girls park supplemented with 354 00:19:41,720 --> 00:19:47,480 staff par department and the police 355 00:19:50,679 --> 00:19:56,480 department any other 356 00:19:53,840 --> 00:19:59,679 comments okay so I'll call from a motion 357 00:19:56,480 --> 00:20:04,960 to adjourn health and Recreation 358 00:19:59,679 --> 00:20:07,960 Mr second by Mr uh Mr Toro all in favor 359 00:20:04,960 --> 00:20:09,520 I thank you so let call to order the 360 00:20:07,960 --> 00:20:11,120 finance committee we have two items on 361 00:20:09,520 --> 00:20:13,760 the agenda tonight the first of which is 362 00:20:11,120 --> 00:20:16,320 a call for public hearing uh 2024 to 363 00:20:13,760 --> 00:20:19,640 2025 annual action plan allocation 364 00:20:16,320 --> 00:20:19,640 that'll be spoken to by Miss 365 00:20:20,080 --> 00:20:26,840 Carter good evening city council so we 366 00:20:23,960 --> 00:20:29,360 received our annual allocation from HUD 367 00:20:26,840 --> 00:20:31,799 which is roughly 2.1 million 368 00:20:29,360 --> 00:20:34,600 we received 26 applications for this 369 00:20:31,799 --> 00:20:36,280 funding we have posted our proposed 370 00:20:34,600 --> 00:20:39,640 applications have been reviewed and we 371 00:20:36,280 --> 00:20:41,960 have prop we have posted our proposed 372 00:20:39,640 --> 00:20:43,480 allocation um to the website and in the 373 00:20:41,960 --> 00:20:45,799 Daily Gazette we are currently in our 374 00:20:43,480 --> 00:20:48,280 30-day public comment period so today 375 00:20:45,799 --> 00:20:50,760 I'm here asking city council to please 376 00:20:48,280 --> 00:20:53,440 call for a public hearing on July 27th 377 00:20:50,760 --> 00:20:55,919 to discuss those proposed allocations 378 00:20:53,440 --> 00:20:58,000 thank you any questions or comments hear 379 00:20:55,919 --> 00:21:01,000 may have motion so move second I'll 380 00:20:58,000 --> 00:21:03,039 second those in favor hi uh the next 381 00:21:01,000 --> 00:21:05,080 item on agenda is the Continuum of Care 382 00:21:03,039 --> 00:21:09,760 contract with development of Broadway 383 00:21:05,080 --> 00:21:11,679 LLC buiness as District YMCA also this 384 00:21:09,760 --> 00:21:14,120 we have received our HUD allocation for 385 00:21:11,679 --> 00:21:16,880 a Continuum of Care for our 10 Beds 386 00:21:14,120 --> 00:21:18,840 which we partner with the Y MCA here in 387 00:21:16,880 --> 00:21:22,080 skincity which is roughly 388 00:21:18,840 --> 00:21:24,760 $887,000 so today I here asking city 389 00:21:22,080 --> 00:21:27,080 council um to give permission for the 390 00:21:24,760 --> 00:21:29,039 mayor or his deit me to go into contract 391 00:21:27,080 --> 00:21:31,240 with the Y to carry out 392 00:21:29,039 --> 00:21:33,360 this project thank you any other 393 00:21:31,240 --> 00:21:36,200 questions or comments he none I have 394 00:21:33,360 --> 00:21:38,880 motion so moved all those in 395 00:21:36,200 --> 00:21:41,120 favor are there any other items toall 396 00:21:38,880 --> 00:21:43,679 before the finance committee he none we 397 00:21:41,120 --> 00:21:46,720 have a motion to adjourn so move second 398 00:21:43,679 --> 00:21:47,919 all those in favor I we are this moment 399 00:21:46,720 --> 00:21:50,600 I'd like to call together government 400 00:21:47,919 --> 00:21:53,200 operations we have two items on the 401 00:21:50,600 --> 00:21:56,000 agenda today uh first being uh the 402 00:21:53,200 --> 00:22:00,520 renaming City street uh be Village Lane 403 00:21:56,000 --> 00:22:00,520 to Lane Mr Mr wall 404 00:22:03,919 --> 00:22:08,840 hello hello everyone so just a refresher 405 00:22:07,600 --> 00:22:12,080 uh I have the ordinance in front of me 406 00:22:08,840 --> 00:22:15,320 in July of 2021 the city accepted the 407 00:22:12,080 --> 00:22:17,400 ownership of a uh a roadway essentially 408 00:22:15,320 --> 00:22:20,840 an alley behind the liven concy project 409 00:22:17,400 --> 00:22:22,760 on Barrett Street uh and the name that 410 00:22:20,840 --> 00:22:25,200 came with the development was Barrett 411 00:22:22,760 --> 00:22:27,480 Village Lane um you know at the time 412 00:22:25,200 --> 00:22:29,679 there was not much into the name we just 413 00:22:27,480 --> 00:22:31,039 accepted it as is uh in the road with 414 00:22:29,679 --> 00:22:33,440 built to City standards and we move 415 00:22:31,039 --> 00:22:36,120 forward since that time uh I've been 416 00:22:33,440 --> 00:22:37,880 reached out to uh by the family uh who 417 00:22:36,120 --> 00:22:40,559 was around and who will probably speak 418 00:22:37,880 --> 00:22:43,679 in a moment and they have requested that 419 00:22:40,559 --> 00:22:46,679 the city look to uh change the name to 420 00:22:43,679 --> 00:22:49,480 Luigi Lane in uh commemoration of their 421 00:22:46,679 --> 00:22:51,400 grandfather father Uncle friend who 422 00:22:49,480 --> 00:22:53,840 operated uh the Luigi restaurant uh 423 00:22:51,400 --> 00:22:57,240 beginning in 1950 on the former site of 424 00:22:53,840 --> 00:22:59,279 where living connect is um just before I 425 00:22:57,240 --> 00:23:01,400 introduce uh Mike T one of the grand STS 426 00:22:59,279 --> 00:23:04,120 I just wanted to let you know that I did 427 00:23:01,400 --> 00:23:06,600 reach out and speak with the uh property 428 00:23:04,120 --> 00:23:09,440 owners of the uh conglomerate that was 429 00:23:06,600 --> 00:23:11,600 liven connect which is essentially um 430 00:23:09,440 --> 00:23:14,720 you know Dave buo and John roal of 431 00:23:11,600 --> 00:23:17,320 hybrid as this was a uh and uh they did 432 00:23:14,720 --> 00:23:20,039 not have any objections and in fact uh 433 00:23:17,320 --> 00:23:21,840 John Roth uh supported it as he said 434 00:23:20,039 --> 00:23:24,080 that his parents were a good friends of 435 00:23:21,840 --> 00:23:26,440 the legi and Abell and they always had a 436 00:23:24,080 --> 00:23:28,559 uh nice things to say about them and so 437 00:23:26,440 --> 00:23:30,840 I thought that that was nice just also 438 00:23:28,559 --> 00:23:33,480 to let you know um there are no uh 439 00:23:30,840 --> 00:23:35,520 residences on this street typically what 440 00:23:33,480 --> 00:23:38,520 you'll see uh in the city is that we do 441 00:23:35,520 --> 00:23:41,080 ceremonial resolutions uh for s name 442 00:23:38,520 --> 00:23:42,520 change and the reason for that is um to 443 00:23:41,080 --> 00:23:44,880 change the name of a street that has 444 00:23:42,520 --> 00:23:46,799 been in existence for 75 years would 445 00:23:44,880 --> 00:23:49,159 have a very large repercussion on the 446 00:23:46,799 --> 00:23:50,679 residents of that street as there are no 447 00:23:49,159 --> 00:23:53,360 residents on this street as it 448 00:23:50,679 --> 00:23:56,120 essentially is an alley um the naming of 449 00:23:53,360 --> 00:23:58,480 it uh would be actually changed so no 450 00:23:56,120 --> 00:24:01,000 two signs it would be one green sign 451 00:23:58,480 --> 00:24:03,240 sign uh so without that anymore I'd like 452 00:24:01,000 --> 00:24:04,440 to introduce Mike tyno and whoever else 453 00:24:03,240 --> 00:24:06,279 just to talk about and this is a call 454 00:24:04,440 --> 00:24:08,320 for public hearing I understand that 455 00:24:06,279 --> 00:24:10,799 they can come and talk at the public 456 00:24:08,320 --> 00:24:13,480 hearing but I did not want you to have 457 00:24:10,799 --> 00:24:16,200 no information going forward for your um 458 00:24:13,480 --> 00:24:18,200 uh support of this I'm sorry good 459 00:24:16,200 --> 00:24:20,520 evening I just wanted to uh take this 460 00:24:18,200 --> 00:24:22,400 moment to talk about my grandfather and 461 00:24:20,520 --> 00:24:26,000 why this is a viable name change not 462 00:24:22,400 --> 00:24:29,279 just for us but for the city um my 463 00:24:26,000 --> 00:24:31,760 family here and um my grandfather was 464 00:24:29,279 --> 00:24:34,320 the fifth of 11 children born to Luigi 465 00:24:31,760 --> 00:24:35,720 bagil senior and Angelo lazeri he was 466 00:24:34,320 --> 00:24:38,000 born in Pennsylvania while his parents 467 00:24:35,720 --> 00:24:40,080 lived and worked at a logging camp at 2 468 00:24:38,000 --> 00:24:41,760 years old they returned to Italy there 469 00:24:40,080 --> 00:24:43,360 he was only educated until the age of 470 00:24:41,760 --> 00:24:46,520 eight before he had to begin working to 471 00:24:43,360 --> 00:24:48,760 help support his family in 1938 at age 472 00:24:46,520 --> 00:24:50,679 19 upset with fist Italy and the threat 473 00:24:48,760 --> 00:24:52,799 of a war looming he made a difficult 474 00:24:50,679 --> 00:24:54,640 decision to return to the United States 475 00:24:52,799 --> 00:24:56,679 this left this meant leaving behind his 476 00:24:54,640 --> 00:24:59,120 siblings and family that weren't US 477 00:24:56,679 --> 00:25:00,960 citizens he worked as a B in Manhattan 478 00:24:59,120 --> 00:25:03,320 for 4 years before being drafted into 479 00:25:00,960 --> 00:25:05,799 World War II in 1942 where he would 480 00:25:03,320 --> 00:25:07,480 serve in the Pacific after the war he 481 00:25:05,799 --> 00:25:10,120 reunited with many of the siblings and 482 00:25:07,480 --> 00:25:12,120 family who had then relocated his family 483 00:25:10,120 --> 00:25:14,520 he worked at the prestigious van carair 484 00:25:12,120 --> 00:25:16,880 hotel now known as connecting community 485 00:25:14,520 --> 00:25:19,279 colleges eston 486 00:25:16,880 --> 00:25:20,640 Hall he took his wages from the war and 487 00:25:19,279 --> 00:25:22,440 everything he had saved in searched for 488 00:25:20,640 --> 00:25:23,760 a restaurant of his own he looked into 489 00:25:22,440 --> 00:25:25,919 purchasing a restaurant called the 490 00:25:23,760 --> 00:25:27,640 Victoria on North J Street and it was 491 00:25:25,919 --> 00:25:30,039 there that he met my grandmother at Del 492 00:25:27,640 --> 00:25:32,080 Moret the restaurant was owned by my 493 00:25:30,039 --> 00:25:33,520 great-grandfather he used to joke that 494 00:25:32,080 --> 00:25:36,000 he went looking for a restaurant and 495 00:25:33,520 --> 00:25:37,360 ended up finding a wife my grandmother 496 00:25:36,000 --> 00:25:39,480 and her three brothers were born and 497 00:25:37,360 --> 00:25:42,440 raised on North J Street the gateway to 498 00:25:39,480 --> 00:25:44,080 skc's Little Italy in 1950 he purchased 499 00:25:42,440 --> 00:25:46,679 Stella's restaurant around the corner on 500 00:25:44,080 --> 00:25:49,320 Bar Street and renamed it Luigi's after 501 00:25:46,679 --> 00:25:51,880 himself with no formal education but a 502 00:25:49,320 --> 00:25:53,720 work ethic that began as a child he 503 00:25:51,880 --> 00:25:56,159 operated a successful restaurant during 504 00:25:53,720 --> 00:25:58,000 an exuberant period of sc's History 505 00:25:56,159 --> 00:25:59,440 Luigi's was a popular location for not 506 00:25:58,000 --> 00:26:01,919 just the residents and families of the 507 00:25:59,440 --> 00:26:04,200 city but also GE and Alco Executives 508 00:26:01,919 --> 00:26:06,000 Union professors and City officials 509 00:26:04,200 --> 00:26:08,200 through determination dedication and 510 00:26:06,000 --> 00:26:10,360 hard work he made his American dream a 511 00:26:08,200 --> 00:26:12,720 reality he had successful business with 512 00:26:10,360 --> 00:26:14,120 fathers six children 12 grandchildren 513 00:26:12,720 --> 00:26:17,360 had countless friends and was happily 514 00:26:14,120 --> 00:26:19,159 married for 48 years in 1981 he wly sold 515 00:26:17,360 --> 00:26:20,840 the restaurant and retired after doctors 516 00:26:19,159 --> 00:26:23,559 told him that he was literally working 517 00:26:20,840 --> 00:26:25,360 himself to death I'd like to briefly 518 00:26:23,559 --> 00:26:27,559 read a citation from his retirement 519 00:26:25,360 --> 00:26:30,600 ceremony that reiterates and reinforces 520 00:26:27,559 --> 00:26:34,240 some of the information I just 521 00:26:30,600 --> 00:26:35,840 share whereas Luigi bag Jr has recently 522 00:26:34,240 --> 00:26:37,159 retired from the restaurant business and 523 00:26:35,840 --> 00:26:39,600 has many friends have seen it fitting 524 00:26:37,159 --> 00:26:42,799 and proper to honor him at a testimonial 525 00:26:39,600 --> 00:26:44,600 dinner on this 27th day of October 1981 526 00:26:42,799 --> 00:26:46,520 in appreciation of his services to disc 527 00:26:44,600 --> 00:26:48,279 connected community and visions and 528 00:26:46,520 --> 00:26:50,279 whereas Luigi born in wels be 529 00:26:48,279 --> 00:26:52,440 Pennsylvania spent his boyhood in the 530 00:26:50,279 --> 00:26:54,279 hammer of cilia Italy where he learned 531 00:26:52,440 --> 00:26:56,279 his culinary art which he offered to his 532 00:26:54,279 --> 00:26:57,679 native country upon his return from 533 00:26:56,279 --> 00:26:59,559 Italy just before the entry of the 534 00:26:57,679 --> 00:27:01,640 United States in World War II and 535 00:26:59,559 --> 00:27:03,440 whereas although having a language 536 00:27:01,640 --> 00:27:05,480 barrier at the time Luigi attained the 537 00:27:03,440 --> 00:27:06,799 rank of Master Sergeant in the South 538 00:27:05,480 --> 00:27:08,919 Pacific where all the commissioned 539 00:27:06,799 --> 00:27:11,159 officers were killed Luigi was next in 540 00:27:08,919 --> 00:27:12,640 the chain of command and successfully 541 00:27:11,159 --> 00:27:15,320 led the remnants of a battalion of 542 00:27:12,640 --> 00:27:17,159 troops whereas Luigi's success would 543 00:27:15,320 --> 00:27:19,720 made possible because of Luigi's 544 00:27:17,159 --> 00:27:23,039 astuteness and picking Adele as his wife 545 00:27:19,720 --> 00:27:25,440 now be it resolve that I Frank J DUI May 546 00:27:23,039 --> 00:27:28,240 mayor of the city of skak New York site 547 00:27:25,440 --> 00:27:30,159 Luigi bag Jr for his contributions to 548 00:27:28,240 --> 00:27:31,960 his country and the City of skincity and 549 00:27:30,159 --> 00:27:34,679 wish him and Adele many years of 550 00:27:31,960 --> 00:27:36,640 peaceful and happy matrimonial Bliss be 551 00:27:34,679 --> 00:27:39,880 it further resolved that this citation 552 00:27:36,640 --> 00:27:42,159 be presented to Luigi bagioli by my UST 553 00:27:39,880 --> 00:27:44,559 illustrious predecessor former mayor 554 00:27:42,159 --> 00:27:46,960 Malcolm e Ellis who is one of Luigi's 555 00:27:44,559 --> 00:27:46,960 closest 556 00:27:47,080 --> 00:27:50,519 friends uh the name change will be a 557 00:27:49,080 --> 00:27:53,000 positive upgrade from the current street 558 00:27:50,519 --> 00:27:55,279 name and a way to memorialize a small 559 00:27:53,000 --> 00:27:56,760 piece of Sky history was also a fitting 560 00:27:55,279 --> 00:27:58,480 name to the Little Italy Sky 561 00:27:56,760 --> 00:27:59,799 neighborhood I hope I have your support 562 00:27:58,480 --> 00:28:01,559 and this renaming and thank the council 563 00:27:59,799 --> 00:28:03,600 for your time i' especially like to 564 00:28:01,559 --> 00:28:05,559 thank councilwoman Dar Doro and the 565 00:28:03,600 --> 00:28:07,519 mayor for supporting this proposal we 566 00:28:05,559 --> 00:28:08,960 pick on tonight's agenda and the city 567 00:28:07,519 --> 00:28:13,159 engineer Chris Wallen who has given me 568 00:28:08,960 --> 00:28:14,960 his time support and guidance thank you 569 00:28:13,159 --> 00:28:16,840 I think it's always important that 570 00:28:14,960 --> 00:28:18,840 anytime we get a chance to kind of 571 00:28:16,840 --> 00:28:20,840 highlight the legacy of people um our 572 00:28:18,840 --> 00:28:22,799 citizens we should do so especially this 573 00:28:20,840 --> 00:28:25,480 sounds like you know an amazing person 574 00:28:22,799 --> 00:28:27,559 qu who left quite a a large footprint in 575 00:28:25,480 --> 00:28:29,919 the community so I you know any other 576 00:28:27,559 --> 00:28:33,559 questions or com prise around 577 00:28:29,919 --> 00:28:35,320 this so I will Mr well I'd say I'd be 578 00:28:33,559 --> 00:28:36,960 remiss if I didn't say even just taking 579 00:28:35,320 --> 00:28:39,159 aside his military service your 580 00:28:36,960 --> 00:28:41,399 grandfather truly is the representation 581 00:28:39,159 --> 00:28:43,279 of just uh stepping forward and 582 00:28:41,399 --> 00:28:45,320 answering the call I think on top of 583 00:28:43,279 --> 00:28:47,159 that truly he represents the uh the good 584 00:28:45,320 --> 00:28:49,240 nature of the members of our community 585 00:28:47,159 --> 00:28:51,200 and skans and that they are hardworking 586 00:28:49,240 --> 00:28:52,799 tenacious uh very very looking for 587 00:28:51,200 --> 00:28:55,279 handouts willing to do the work and this 588 00:28:52,799 --> 00:28:57,080 truly is a reflection of all that so 589 00:28:55,279 --> 00:28:59,399 excited to see this this really is a is 590 00:28:57,080 --> 00:29:01,960 a nice a nice moment and I look forward 591 00:28:59,399 --> 00:29:03,880 to seeing us in portion thank 592 00:29:01,960 --> 00:29:05,760 you and I just would like to say I'm 593 00:29:03,880 --> 00:29:07,760 also happy to support this and glad we 594 00:29:05,760 --> 00:29:08,960 were able to move forward and U gave me 595 00:29:07,760 --> 00:29:11,279 the opportunity to have reunion with 596 00:29:08,960 --> 00:29:14,480 somebody I went to middle school 597 00:29:11,279 --> 00:29:17,120 with yeah I see some friends out and I 598 00:29:14,480 --> 00:29:18,600 school with as well definitely honoring 599 00:29:17,120 --> 00:29:20,760 him on with your presence today this is 600 00:29:18,600 --> 00:29:22,360 awesome so I would glad gladly accept 601 00:29:20,760 --> 00:29:25,799 the motion for the call public hearing 602 00:29:22,360 --> 00:29:28,840 so moved um second a I'll second that 603 00:29:25,799 --> 00:29:31,200 all those in favor I I okay thank you 604 00:29:28,840 --> 00:29:33,000 thanks again quickly just interject 605 00:29:31,200 --> 00:29:34,159 would you like the family is it 606 00:29:33,000 --> 00:29:36,760 appropriate to the family come to the 607 00:29:34,159 --> 00:29:39,799 public hearing and speak as well should 608 00:29:36,760 --> 00:29:42,440 they that's up to them I 609 00:29:39,799 --> 00:29:43,519 just because I I I didn't talk about 610 00:29:42,440 --> 00:29:44,960 public I just wanted to make sure 611 00:29:43,519 --> 00:29:46,159 because this is kind of on the rec but 612 00:29:44,960 --> 00:29:48,279 public hearing I'll talk to you about it 613 00:29:46,159 --> 00:29:49,840 after you guys kind of put that on there 614 00:29:48,279 --> 00:29:52,960 all right thank you have a good night 615 00:29:49,840 --> 00:29:52,960 thank you 616 00:30:00,000 --> 00:30:04,080 okay next on the agenda for government 617 00:30:01,960 --> 00:30:06,000 operations is a discussion city of SK 618 00:30:04,080 --> 00:30:08,720 Charter Charter regarding change of 619 00:30:06,000 --> 00:30:13,240 operating budget deadlines Mr Mayor 620 00:30:08,720 --> 00:30:15,760 thank you Mr chairman the draft proposal 621 00:30:13,240 --> 00:30:20,080 packet for your 622 00:30:15,760 --> 00:30:23,080 approval this parts of public hearing 623 00:30:20,080 --> 00:30:25,760 and the OB is actually put it on the 624 00:30:23,080 --> 00:30:28,919 ballot this November go before the 625 00:30:25,760 --> 00:30:32,200 voters for change in the charter 626 00:30:28,919 --> 00:30:35,640 um thank you Mr Mayor Mr uh uh Mr 627 00:30:32,200 --> 00:30:38,399 chairman this is um as you know that the 628 00:30:35,640 --> 00:30:40,480 uh there's no Provisions in our current 629 00:30:38,399 --> 00:30:43,360 Charter regarding what happens after 630 00:30:40,480 --> 00:30:45,399 November 1st looking at the charters of 631 00:30:43,360 --> 00:30:47,399 our surrounding cities the city of 632 00:30:45,399 --> 00:30:50,960 Albany the city detoy the city of 633 00:30:47,399 --> 00:30:54,399 Amsterdam they have procedures for for 634 00:30:50,960 --> 00:30:58,200 if something is not adopted and what you 635 00:30:54,399 --> 00:31:00,600 see before you is is the procedure from 636 00:30:58,200 --> 00:31:03,360 the city of Albany but also a tweet from 637 00:31:00,600 --> 00:31:06,639 the city of Amsterdam on how the process 638 00:31:03,360 --> 00:31:09,279 goes forward if the budget is not uh 639 00:31:06,639 --> 00:31:11,760 adopted by the uh the date of November 640 00:31:09,279 --> 00:31:14,919 1st and you see as it goes back it goes 641 00:31:11,760 --> 00:31:17,600 through the entire legislative process 642 00:31:14,919 --> 00:31:22,039 if the budget isn't adopted then the 643 00:31:17,600 --> 00:31:24,200 mayor's proposed budget is is is uh is 644 00:31:22,039 --> 00:31:27,360 adopted if the council 645 00:31:24,200 --> 00:31:28,440 adds amendments if those amendments 646 00:31:27,360 --> 00:31:31,919 aren't 647 00:31:28,440 --> 00:31:33,360 uh done under taken acted upon by 648 00:31:31,919 --> 00:31:35,519 November 649 00:31:33,360 --> 00:31:40,559 10th 650 00:31:35,519 --> 00:31:43,480 um the the honoral force November 10th 651 00:31:40,559 --> 00:31:46,080 and uh if not mayor may v one or more of 652 00:31:43,480 --> 00:31:49,399 the proposed amendments the mayor fails 653 00:31:46,080 --> 00:31:51,480 to act on those proposed amendments then 654 00:31:49,399 --> 00:31:54,799 the budget as amended by the city 655 00:31:51,480 --> 00:31:58,240 council comes the budget and if the if 656 00:31:54,799 --> 00:32:00,480 the budget is if mayor does veto it 657 00:31:58,240 --> 00:32:03,240 honor before November 20th the city 658 00:32:00,480 --> 00:32:05,519 council May override mayor's V all one 659 00:32:03,240 --> 00:32:08,279 more of its proposed amendments the 660 00:32:05,519 --> 00:32:10,480 council overrides the mayor's be in the 661 00:32:08,279 --> 00:32:12,320 city operating budget with any item so 662 00:32:10,480 --> 00:32:15,960 overridden together with any change not 663 00:32:12,320 --> 00:32:18,440 Beed by mayor mayor shall be deemed 664 00:32:15,960 --> 00:32:20,240 adopted and failure by the city council 665 00:32:18,440 --> 00:32:22,799 to act on the mayor's veto by November 666 00:32:20,240 --> 00:32:24,360 20th shall result in the adoption of the 667 00:32:22,799 --> 00:32:26,360 operating budget along with any 668 00:32:24,360 --> 00:32:28,360 amendments not previously veto by the 669 00:32:26,360 --> 00:32:31,720 mayor so there's a process back and 670 00:32:28,360 --> 00:32:33,960 forth was with the councel and the mayor 671 00:32:31,720 --> 00:32:37,399 both going back and forth given the time 672 00:32:33,960 --> 00:32:39,360 to act upon the budget so by November 673 00:32:37,399 --> 00:32:42,480 20th which is around Thanksgiving give 674 00:32:39,360 --> 00:32:45,720 or t the budget process is 675 00:32:42,480 --> 00:32:48,960 complete tax bills can be prepared 676 00:32:45,720 --> 00:32:51,000 Equalization rates Etc all those other 677 00:32:48,960 --> 00:32:53,559 things that have to be done is taken 678 00:32:51,000 --> 00:32:56,360 care of by the end of by the end of you 679 00:32:53,559 --> 00:33:00,039 know November so it goes back and forth 680 00:32:56,360 --> 00:33:02,399 now because we're dealing with changing 681 00:33:00,039 --> 00:33:05,960 the roles and procedures between the 682 00:33:02,399 --> 00:33:08,360 mayor and and the uh and the council 683 00:33:05,960 --> 00:33:11,679 this has to go to a mandatory 684 00:33:08,360 --> 00:33:14,000 referendum amending the city Charter and 685 00:33:11,679 --> 00:33:17,639 it's affecting the roles between the 686 00:33:14,000 --> 00:33:20,200 council and the mayor um and therefore 687 00:33:17,639 --> 00:33:23,720 it's subject to a mandatory 688 00:33:20,200 --> 00:33:25,760 referendum um as the mayor indicated 689 00:33:23,720 --> 00:33:28,919 that in order to get this there has to 690 00:33:25,760 --> 00:33:31,720 be public hearings and and then 691 00:33:28,919 --> 00:33:34,600 eventually adoption by the city council 692 00:33:31,720 --> 00:33:37,480 signed into law by the mayor subject to 693 00:33:34,600 --> 00:33:39,480 referendum this has to go over to the uh 694 00:33:37,480 --> 00:33:40,840 Court of election 60 days before the 695 00:33:39,480 --> 00:33:45,200 general election which 696 00:33:40,840 --> 00:33:48,399 is so just giving you a overview of of 697 00:33:45,200 --> 00:33:52,600 the process um it's really through the 698 00:33:48,399 --> 00:33:54,559 summer um going through the process and 699 00:33:52,600 --> 00:33:59,039 having the public hearings looking at 700 00:33:54,559 --> 00:34:01,320 this final adoption for the we going 701 00:33:59,039 --> 00:34:02,960 going over to the board of elections in 702 00:34:01,320 --> 00:34:05,799 September 703 00:34:02,960 --> 00:34:09,599 3 and that will not affect this year's 704 00:34:05,799 --> 00:34:13,679 budget process but will affect 705 00:34:09,599 --> 00:34:16,159 2025 budget year subse 706 00:34:13,679 --> 00:34:19,159 Years thank you questions comments on 707 00:34:16,159 --> 00:34:20,480 this so tonight you just so tonight 708 00:34:19,159 --> 00:34:24,040 you're just providing this for us to 709 00:34:20,480 --> 00:34:26,440 take a look at it to provide 710 00:34:24,040 --> 00:34:28,119 feedback right and I know you said so 711 00:34:26,440 --> 00:34:29,679 essentially the timeline is would have 712 00:34:28,119 --> 00:34:32,879 to have it to the Board of Elections by 713 00:34:29,679 --> 00:34:34,760 September 5th that's so council could 714 00:34:32,879 --> 00:34:36,320 start to make a call for the public 715 00:34:34,760 --> 00:34:39,079 hearing you could call to the public 716 00:34:36,320 --> 00:34:40,560 hearing on this proposal if you wish to 717 00:34:39,079 --> 00:34:41,639 have the public hearing public hearing 718 00:34:40,560 --> 00:34:44,960 will be on the 719 00:34:41,639 --> 00:34:47,119 22nd according to the uh Municipal home 720 00:34:44,960 --> 00:34:49,399 rule law because the city was connected 721 00:34:47,119 --> 00:34:52,359 has a strong executive mayor with veto 722 00:34:49,399 --> 00:34:55,520 power the mayor has it's mandated to 723 00:34:52,359 --> 00:34:58,000 hold a public hearing uh himself on on 724 00:34:55,520 --> 00:35:00,839 the on the proposal so the council made 725 00:34:58,000 --> 00:35:03,119 to do so and the uh the mayor is 726 00:35:00,839 --> 00:35:05,839 required to do so according to the 727 00:35:03,119 --> 00:35:10,200 municipal home 728 00:35:05,839 --> 00:35:13,119 R um so I'd like to like spend a little 729 00:35:10,200 --> 00:35:16,680 bit more time like looking at it and 730 00:35:13,119 --> 00:35:19,240 um because well I'm just at at first 731 00:35:16,680 --> 00:35:21,520 blush you know when I'm first looking at 732 00:35:19,240 --> 00:35:24,400 it I just need more time to look at it 733 00:35:21,520 --> 00:35:26,320 how to say that and I just wanted to 734 00:35:24,400 --> 00:35:28,200 also just to be clear so I know like 735 00:35:26,320 --> 00:35:29,920 there's three ways to um amend the 736 00:35:28,200 --> 00:35:31,880 charter so we have this one because of 737 00:35:29,920 --> 00:35:34,560 what it is has to be referendum 738 00:35:31,880 --> 00:35:36,960 absolutely okay has to be referendum 739 00:35:34,560 --> 00:35:39,320 because you're dealing with powers the 740 00:35:36,960 --> 00:35:39,320 two 741 00:35:42,359 --> 00:35:46,400 branches and so if we had a call for a 742 00:35:45,000 --> 00:35:47,680 public hearing would the public hearing 743 00:35:46,400 --> 00:35:51,119 would be based on what you're providing 744 00:35:47,680 --> 00:35:51,119 to us tonight is that correct 745 00:35:51,400 --> 00:35:55,800 okay I'm comfortable calling for a 746 00:35:53,640 --> 00:35:57,800 public hearing I mean I I would have to 747 00:35:55,800 --> 00:35:59,359 say that 748 00:35:57,800 --> 00:36:01,880 I don't know about the rest of you but I 749 00:35:59,359 --> 00:36:03,920 had some sleepless nights last year um 750 00:36:01,880 --> 00:36:05,599 in terms of really worried about what 751 00:36:03,920 --> 00:36:09,560 was going to happen if we hadn't passed 752 00:36:05,599 --> 00:36:11,720 the budget by the end of um 2023 and 753 00:36:09,560 --> 00:36:12,960 going into January I was worried about 754 00:36:11,720 --> 00:36:15,680 both 755 00:36:12,960 --> 00:36:19,640 our the functioning of the city our 756 00:36:15,680 --> 00:36:22,680 employees uh security Etc so I think 757 00:36:19,640 --> 00:36:25,920 this is a uh a good idea I think that it 758 00:36:22,680 --> 00:36:29,720 will um Force us as a group to be more 759 00:36:25,920 --> 00:36:32,560 accountable as well um so in terms of 760 00:36:29,720 --> 00:36:34,760 opinion um my opinion would be that this 761 00:36:32,560 --> 00:36:37,800 this is a a good thing for us to be to 762 00:36:34,760 --> 00:36:40,680 be doing so um I don't have a problem 763 00:36:37,800 --> 00:36:44,520 you know it's um calling for the public 764 00:36:40,680 --> 00:36:48,000 hearing but um if we have to wait get 765 00:36:44,520 --> 00:36:50,400 that too that's my two sents yeah Mr 766 00:36:48,000 --> 00:36:52,200 thank you so you know when we received 767 00:36:50,400 --> 00:36:53,800 this last week so I did have a chance to 768 00:36:52,200 --> 00:36:56,160 look it over read it over and made a few 769 00:36:53,800 --> 00:36:58,160 notes I'm very comfortable as well uh 770 00:36:56,160 --> 00:36:59,760 because of the situation that we into 771 00:36:58,160 --> 00:37:01,839 last year even with our tax bills 772 00:36:59,760 --> 00:37:03,960 getting out late um you know residents 773 00:37:01,839 --> 00:37:06,200 were concerned um people were calling 774 00:37:03,960 --> 00:37:07,920 constantly am I going to get a charge so 775 00:37:06,200 --> 00:37:09,560 anyway I I I think it's something that 776 00:37:07,920 --> 00:37:12,359 we really need to 777 00:37:09,560 --> 00:37:14,040 do moving forward as soon as possible 778 00:37:12,359 --> 00:37:15,440 sure president I agree that we 779 00:37:14,040 --> 00:37:18,839 definitely have to put something in 780 00:37:15,440 --> 00:37:21,480 place um I don't necessarily agree that 781 00:37:18,839 --> 00:37:23,960 this as it is written uh because 782 00:37:21,480 --> 00:37:25,520 essentially if we didn't pass the budget 783 00:37:23,960 --> 00:37:28,400 then it would automatically go back to 784 00:37:25,520 --> 00:37:29,760 the mayor's budget I don't um you know 785 00:37:28,400 --> 00:37:32,359 we as a council part of our 786 00:37:29,760 --> 00:37:33,960 responsibility is to pass the budget so 787 00:37:32,359 --> 00:37:36,680 if we have concerns or we want to make 788 00:37:33,960 --> 00:37:38,240 changes if if the if it automatically 789 00:37:36,680 --> 00:37:40,560 goes back to the mayor's budget that any 790 00:37:38,240 --> 00:37:43,240 amendments that we would have had would 791 00:37:40,560 --> 00:37:44,800 necessarily kind of disappear so I'm not 792 00:37:43,240 --> 00:37:46,160 I'm not 100% comfortable that it 793 00:37:44,800 --> 00:37:47,920 automatically goes back to the mayor's 794 00:37:46,160 --> 00:37:50,720 budget I would entertain it going back 795 00:37:47,920 --> 00:37:53,040 to the prior Year's budget which means 796 00:37:50,720 --> 00:37:55,359 that we all have a say and how what the 797 00:37:53,040 --> 00:37:58,160 budget was until we can um work through 798 00:37:55,359 --> 00:38:00,560 any amendments but I wouldn't I wouldn't 799 00:37:58,160 --> 00:38:03,280 automatically um um just defer back to 800 00:38:00,560 --> 00:38:04,760 the to the utive budget VAR by the mayor 801 00:38:03,280 --> 00:38:06,920 so I want to take a little bit more time 802 00:38:04,760 --> 00:38:08,760 to look through that talk um talk to our 803 00:38:06,920 --> 00:38:10,680 Corporation Council about all the things 804 00:38:08,760 --> 00:38:15,160 that are in here just need to be able to 805 00:38:10,680 --> 00:38:18,040 make sure um as we move forward Mr Mayor 806 00:38:15,160 --> 00:38:20,880 again I have to submit it by October 1st 807 00:38:18,040 --> 00:38:24,560 the council has the month of October to 808 00:38:20,880 --> 00:38:28,000 act on not adopted by November 809 00:38:24,560 --> 00:38:29,599 1st last over half century council is 810 00:38:28,000 --> 00:38:31,680 always able to come to some agreement 811 00:38:29,599 --> 00:38:33,920 with the mayor and the council last year 812 00:38:31,680 --> 00:38:38,480 we didn't so I don't 813 00:38:33,920 --> 00:38:41,800 know again this is just codifying 814 00:38:38,480 --> 00:38:44,000 process that eliminates any ambiguity 815 00:38:41,800 --> 00:38:46,480 and puts everybody under a little bit of 816 00:38:44,000 --> 00:38:49,440 pressure I understand 817 00:38:46,480 --> 00:38:53,040 you're ping this to look at it 818 00:38:49,440 --> 00:38:56,000 and there are some changes hopefully get 819 00:38:53,040 --> 00:38:58,000 them out in a day or two to the council 820 00:38:56,000 --> 00:39:00,880 so we can make those changes move ahead 821 00:38:58,000 --> 00:39:02,839 with the public area so it seems like 822 00:39:00,880 --> 00:39:04,480 good thing is that you know throughout 823 00:39:02,839 --> 00:39:06,280 that process which I think we all 824 00:39:04,480 --> 00:39:09,359 learned learned some things and I think 825 00:39:06,280 --> 00:39:11,079 that um you know as somebody who was was 826 00:39:09,359 --> 00:39:12,800 working extremely hard to make sure that 827 00:39:11,079 --> 00:39:14,520 we could kind of meet each other where 828 00:39:12,800 --> 00:39:17,440 we were at and and get a budget pass 829 00:39:14,520 --> 00:39:19,599 which we ultimately did um I think that 830 00:39:17,440 --> 00:39:21,520 the need for this is is is clear and 831 00:39:19,599 --> 00:39:23,680 there's a some consensus among the group 832 00:39:21,520 --> 00:39:26,520 that there's a that that there's a need 833 00:39:23,680 --> 00:39:28,960 here um to president Porter fil's Point 834 00:39:26,520 --> 00:39:31,359 um and kind into what been indicated by 835 00:39:28,960 --> 00:39:33,640 uh Corporation Council that this is 836 00:39:31,359 --> 00:39:36,000 something that really impacts the checks 837 00:39:33,640 --> 00:39:38,839 and balances of how we operate so I 838 00:39:36,000 --> 00:39:40,400 think that um uh careful consideration 839 00:39:38,839 --> 00:39:42,319 is not only a good idea but it's 840 00:39:40,400 --> 00:39:44,680 definitely warranted in this case so I 841 00:39:42,319 --> 00:39:48,240 think that you know we we do that and to 842 00:39:44,680 --> 00:39:51,880 the mayor's point we just do that um uh 843 00:39:48,240 --> 00:39:53,920 as as fast as we can um where we're not 844 00:39:51,880 --> 00:39:56,760 uh impacting the Integrity of of the 845 00:39:53,920 --> 00:39:59,680 process itself so any other thoughts on 846 00:39:56,760 --> 00:40:01,520 that Mr Miss i i would support moving it 847 00:39:59,680 --> 00:40:03,240 to a public hearing I think these 848 00:40:01,520 --> 00:40:05,280 additions put in the necessary 849 00:40:03,240 --> 00:40:07,319 guardrails to avoid what happened last 850 00:40:05,280 --> 00:40:09,960 year so I would be in support of moving 851 00:40:07,319 --> 00:40:12,800 this forward um this clearly is giving 852 00:40:09,960 --> 00:40:15,800 us kind of a timeline that we need to 853 00:40:12,800 --> 00:40:17,319 adhere to so I'm in support of it I 854 00:40:15,800 --> 00:40:20,240 would also kind of rais the point that 855 00:40:17,319 --> 00:40:23,400 to I agree that um about the necessary 856 00:40:20,240 --> 00:40:25,440 guard rails um I think that what this 857 00:40:23,400 --> 00:40:26,920 would do at the level of the text um 858 00:40:25,440 --> 00:40:29,319 will definitely put in place those guard 859 00:40:26,920 --> 00:40:30,920 rails I think that we can uh end up in a 860 00:40:29,319 --> 00:40:32,319 place where we have the same guard rails 861 00:40:30,920 --> 00:40:33,960 and still hold ourselves to that level 862 00:40:32,319 --> 00:40:37,480 of accountability but if there's any 863 00:40:33,960 --> 00:40:39,000 concerns or questions or maybe um some 864 00:40:37,480 --> 00:40:41,160 scenarios that we haven't had 865 00:40:39,000 --> 00:40:43,480 opportunity to play out I think uh in 866 00:40:41,160 --> 00:40:44,960 consultation with uh Corporation Council 867 00:40:43,480 --> 00:40:46,920 um and a research that's going to be 868 00:40:44,960 --> 00:40:48,920 done by as members I think would be a 869 00:40:46,920 --> 00:40:50,720 good thing to do for for something this 870 00:40:48,920 --> 00:40:52,560 nature but good thing that we all agree 871 00:40:50,720 --> 00:40:54,359 that something doesn't happen Mr 872 00:40:52,560 --> 00:40:55,839 Williams and for the sake of commenting 873 00:40:54,359 --> 00:40:57,599 I think you put it accurately he said 874 00:40:55,839 --> 00:41:00,480 careful consideration I think when ever 875 00:40:57,599 --> 00:41:01,960 we can um meet other council members 876 00:41:00,480 --> 00:41:03,440 where they stand with having further 877 00:41:01,960 --> 00:41:05,000 questions or wanting to digest 878 00:41:03,440 --> 00:41:06,560 information I think as long as it 879 00:41:05,000 --> 00:41:08,720 doesn't come at the expense of the 880 00:41:06,560 --> 00:41:11,040 timeline and I think already and I 881 00:41:08,720 --> 00:41:12,920 applaud the mayor for ensuring that this 882 00:41:11,040 --> 00:41:15,079 topic was on our discussion prior to us 883 00:41:12,920 --> 00:41:16,920 entering this upcoming budget season 884 00:41:15,079 --> 00:41:20,280 Corporation Council correct me if I'm 885 00:41:16,920 --> 00:41:22,119 wrong we have time I don't foresee this 886 00:41:20,280 --> 00:41:24,319 exhausting all the time up until 887 00:41:22,119 --> 00:41:27,319 September 5th but I think allowing 2 888 00:41:24,319 --> 00:41:28,920 weeks or or or I think that is more than 889 00:41:27,319 --> 00:41:31,000 appropriate and I do not think that 890 00:41:28,920 --> 00:41:33,440 comes at the expense of us passing this 891 00:41:31,000 --> 00:41:34,920 collectively um but yet again I I think 892 00:41:33,440 --> 00:41:36,800 meeting counsel is where they are regard 893 00:41:34,920 --> 00:41:39,480 regardless the topic again as long as it 894 00:41:36,800 --> 00:41:42,119 doesn't come at the expense of us 895 00:41:39,480 --> 00:41:43,800 passing a set item I don't think that's 896 00:41:42,119 --> 00:41:46,200 an 897 00:41:43,800 --> 00:41:47,640 issue any other comments questions 898 00:41:46,200 --> 00:41:51,359 around 899 00:41:47,640 --> 00:41:53,160 this okay so i' I'd like to to have that 900 00:41:51,359 --> 00:41:54,800 time to take and and bring it back in 901 00:41:53,160 --> 00:41:56,359 two weeks and make the decisions and I'm 902 00:41:54,800 --> 00:41:58,119 just I'm not ready to move it to a 903 00:41:56,359 --> 00:42:01,680 public hearing the way it is based right 904 00:41:58,119 --> 00:42:03,359 here what on the agenda discuss sure I 905 00:42:01,680 --> 00:42:05,800 just was wondering what your concern is 906 00:42:03,359 --> 00:42:07,040 my concern as I stated is that when if 907 00:42:05,800 --> 00:42:08,599 we don't pass the budget that 908 00:42:07,040 --> 00:42:11,280 automatically goes back to the mayor's 909 00:42:08,599 --> 00:42:12,599 budget and then I feel like then we've 910 00:42:11,280 --> 00:42:14,240 kind of given up our shed our 911 00:42:12,599 --> 00:42:17,240 responsibility in terms of putting forth 912 00:42:14,240 --> 00:42:20,240 the budget because no wa to I'm just 913 00:42:17,240 --> 00:42:21,640 saying because then any concerns or any 914 00:42:20,240 --> 00:42:24,480 changes that we want to make would not 915 00:42:21,640 --> 00:42:29,280 take place if it didn't happen like 916 00:42:24,480 --> 00:42:30,839 that and it's a scenario where if if we 917 00:42:29,280 --> 00:42:32,559 went through it last year it kept 918 00:42:30,839 --> 00:42:34,559 getting pushed back to us and kept 919 00:42:32,559 --> 00:42:36,040 pushed back and that if that timeline 920 00:42:34,559 --> 00:42:38,200 plays out then it automatically goes 921 00:42:36,040 --> 00:42:40,400 back to the mayor's budget and I think 922 00:42:38,200 --> 00:42:42,520 that a budget that involves all of us 923 00:42:40,400 --> 00:42:46,359 having say in it is the type of budget 924 00:42:42,520 --> 00:42:48,880 that we want and this in this scenario 925 00:42:46,359 --> 00:42:50,599 it does not work out like that so I want 926 00:42:48,880 --> 00:42:52,640 to look at it and see how we could 927 00:42:50,599 --> 00:42:55,200 change some of this so that the council 928 00:42:52,640 --> 00:42:57,839 does what it is been members are elected 929 00:42:55,200 --> 00:42:59,800 to do which is to help pass up 930 00:42:57,839 --> 00:43:01,599 and we have to have some we have to have 931 00:42:59,800 --> 00:43:03,760 some say on what that budget looks like 932 00:43:01,599 --> 00:43:07,000 if we're going to not just pass 933 00:43:03,760 --> 00:43:11,559 it those are my 934 00:43:07,000 --> 00:43:15,000 concerns so we will have a say in what 935 00:43:11,559 --> 00:43:17,760 gets passed because of the timeline um I 936 00:43:15,000 --> 00:43:20,559 also want to not to bring up arguments 937 00:43:17,760 --> 00:43:23,800 from last year but again I think we need 938 00:43:20,559 --> 00:43:26,839 to understand that our department heads 939 00:43:23,800 --> 00:43:28,359 work very closely with their expertise 940 00:43:26,839 --> 00:43:30,119 and their their experience on the 941 00:43:28,359 --> 00:43:32,720 budgets that they then present to the 942 00:43:30,119 --> 00:43:36,640 mayor uh and then they kind of go back 943 00:43:32,720 --> 00:43:38,800 and forth so um I think we will have 944 00:43:36,640 --> 00:43:41,119 input we would have input into the 945 00:43:38,800 --> 00:43:43,800 budget it just holds our feet to the 946 00:43:41,119 --> 00:43:45,440 fire um in a way that I think is 947 00:43:43,800 --> 00:43:48,680 appropriate given what happened last 948 00:43:45,440 --> 00:43:50,960 year so um I'm not on this subcommittee 949 00:43:48,680 --> 00:43:52,480 I would encourage the committee to you 950 00:43:50,960 --> 00:43:54,520 know move forward with the public 951 00:43:52,480 --> 00:43:56,480 hearing because I think we have all the 952 00:43:54,520 --> 00:43:58,440 information right here and I think that 953 00:43:56,480 --> 00:44:02,760 um Corporation Council indicated that 954 00:43:58,440 --> 00:44:07,040 Aly and Troy and Amsterdam have similar 955 00:44:02,760 --> 00:44:08,720 language in their um in their um yes 956 00:44:07,040 --> 00:44:11,680 they're all similar Lang where they have 957 00:44:08,720 --> 00:44:14,760 this process where they when's adopted 958 00:44:11,680 --> 00:44:19,720 goes to the council override Etc it's 959 00:44:14,760 --> 00:44:22,280 all this process okay so um hearing what 960 00:44:19,720 --> 00:44:23,880 everyone's point of view is I think that 961 00:44:22,280 --> 00:44:27,359 right now we're in a pretty good place 962 00:44:23,880 --> 00:44:29,520 where we can um allow members of the 963 00:44:27,359 --> 00:44:30,720 council who might have you know cuz 964 00:44:29,520 --> 00:44:32,359 right now we're basing on what's in 965 00:44:30,720 --> 00:44:35,119 front of us right here correct maybe 966 00:44:32,359 --> 00:44:38,680 there's some other um uh suggestions or 967 00:44:35,119 --> 00:44:40,599 input that that can kind of uh bring us 968 00:44:38,680 --> 00:44:43,400 together in in a point of agreement so I 969 00:44:40,599 --> 00:44:45,079 would really uh being with the timeline 970 00:44:43,400 --> 00:44:47,079 what it is I think that you know we 971 00:44:45,079 --> 00:44:49,760 really should give that opportunity to 972 00:44:47,079 --> 00:44:51,559 any council members who um want to look 973 00:44:49,760 --> 00:44:53,520 at this a little more closely or maybe 974 00:44:51,559 --> 00:44:55,880 introduce some different ideas and again 975 00:44:53,520 --> 00:44:57,400 it won't impact our timeline it's the 976 00:44:55,880 --> 00:44:59,640 good thing is that we all are an 977 00:44:57,400 --> 00:45:02,559 agreement that something needs to happen 978 00:44:59,640 --> 00:45:05,119 um and I think that the conversation um 979 00:45:02,559 --> 00:45:07,160 will be a more productive and beneficial 980 00:45:05,119 --> 00:45:08,559 one if we're saying you know what this 981 00:45:07,160 --> 00:45:10,640 is something that maybe I think that we 982 00:45:08,559 --> 00:45:13,440 can consider so I just you know being 983 00:45:10,640 --> 00:45:15,880 that you know we don't lose anything by 984 00:45:13,440 --> 00:45:17,359 uh the due diligence of the council 985 00:45:15,880 --> 00:45:20,000 members to kind of look at this and and 986 00:45:17,359 --> 00:45:22,720 maybe look at other uh options that can 987 00:45:20,000 --> 00:45:26,400 get us to the same place so with that uh 988 00:45:22,720 --> 00:45:27,599 I will just um you know I W call for the 989 00:45:26,400 --> 00:45:30,920 public hearing right now I don't think 990 00:45:27,599 --> 00:45:32,160 we need to do that what we'll do is uh 991 00:45:30,920 --> 00:45:34,680 you know and not that I would ever 992 00:45:32,160 --> 00:45:36,000 firste Us in uh set situation that that 993 00:45:34,680 --> 00:45:38,640 we've been in before but I think it is 994 00:45:36,000 --> 00:45:39,880 our responsibility as a council to again 995 00:45:38,640 --> 00:45:41,800 have some guard rails in place and I 996 00:45:39,880 --> 00:45:43,839 think that this will do that and and we 997 00:45:41,800 --> 00:45:46,760 need to give our our teammates the 998 00:45:43,839 --> 00:45:49,280 opportunity to um cuz this is a really 999 00:45:46,760 --> 00:45:51,640 significant substantial decision and I 1000 00:45:49,280 --> 00:45:53,400 think it definitely requires again some 1001 00:45:51,640 --> 00:45:54,760 careful consideration and as long as 1002 00:45:53,400 --> 00:45:56,160 it's not impacting the timeline what do 1003 00:45:54,760 --> 00:45:58,599 we lose by giving our colleagues the 1004 00:45:56,160 --> 00:46:00,480 opportunity to Del deeper maybe come up 1005 00:45:58,599 --> 00:46:02,440 with some something that that that might 1006 00:46:00,480 --> 00:46:05,680 even fit better for us than it does for 1007 00:46:02,440 --> 00:46:05,680 some of our uh surrounding 1008 00:46:06,240 --> 00:46:09,920 municipalities any other thoughts or 1009 00:46:08,160 --> 00:46:12,440 questions on that President P I would 1010 00:46:09,920 --> 00:46:16,119 just ask that Mr um O'Brien if you could 1011 00:46:12,440 --> 00:46:17,839 just um provide for us the other um 1012 00:46:16,119 --> 00:46:20,960 municipalities information where this 1013 00:46:17,839 --> 00:46:22,960 was derived from yes that was to be part 1014 00:46:20,960 --> 00:46:25,880 of the consideration right that wouldn't 1015 00:46:22,960 --> 00:46:28,119 be a problem all right thank you but um 1016 00:46:25,880 --> 00:46:30,960 just to be mindful of you know the 1017 00:46:28,119 --> 00:46:32,359 timelines a veto and overriding the time 1018 00:46:30,960 --> 00:46:34,960 if you're over going to override The 1019 00:46:32,359 --> 00:46:37,760 veto of the mayor whatever you come to 1020 00:46:34,960 --> 00:46:39,599 and goes to the mayor and it's veto you 1021 00:46:37,760 --> 00:46:41,160 have 30 days in which to override The 1022 00:46:39,599 --> 00:46:44,200 veto and I think at that point you have 1023 00:46:41,160 --> 00:46:46,839 to be mindful of the time absolutely I 1024 00:46:44,200 --> 00:46:49,160 think y I think that we understand that 1025 00:46:46,839 --> 00:46:51,280 you know any you know if president P 1026 00:46:49,160 --> 00:46:53,119 fail if mrini is saying that hey we want 1027 00:46:51,280 --> 00:46:54,680 to look at this I think that I would 1028 00:46:53,119 --> 00:46:57,280 encourage all our council members to do 1029 00:46:54,680 --> 00:46:59,079 so you know as quickly as POS possible 1030 00:46:57,280 --> 00:47:00,359 as long as you're you know again not 1031 00:46:59,079 --> 00:47:01,960 compromising the Integrity of the 1032 00:47:00,359 --> 00:47:03,440 decision that you arrive at because this 1033 00:47:01,960 --> 00:47:06,720 is a pretty consequential piece of 1034 00:47:03,440 --> 00:47:08,640 legislation so um 1035 00:47:06,720 --> 00:47:12,359 yeah 1036 00:47:08,640 --> 00:47:15,760 so with that I will and and uh we'll 1037 00:47:12,359 --> 00:47:18,440 bring this back in 2 weeks 1038 00:47:15,760 --> 00:47:20,680 well sure we can BR back in two weeks if 1039 00:47:18,440 --> 00:47:23,559 that's if that's well we have to well 1040 00:47:20,680 --> 00:47:25,119 know what I would say is that if we um 1041 00:47:23,559 --> 00:47:27,880 the mayor was saying you know in a 1042 00:47:25,119 --> 00:47:30,520 couple days uh hopefully we could you 1043 00:47:27,880 --> 00:47:32,240 have something to to him to you know for 1044 00:47:30,520 --> 00:47:33,400 his consideration or for a larger 1045 00:47:32,240 --> 00:47:35,200 consideration with the group I was going 1046 00:47:33,400 --> 00:47:36,520 to say when we say we'll bring it back 1047 00:47:35,200 --> 00:47:38,800 in two weeks that doesn't mean that we 1048 00:47:36,520 --> 00:47:40,319 won't do our due diligence within that 1049 00:47:38,800 --> 00:47:42,160 timeline no we'll definitely do our due 1050 00:47:40,319 --> 00:47:44,520 diligence and we want to make sure like 1051 00:47:42,160 --> 00:47:46,760 this is a change to our Charter it's 1052 00:47:44,520 --> 00:47:48,400 significant um and U we want to make 1053 00:47:46,760 --> 00:47:50,319 sure that all council members actually I 1054 00:47:48,400 --> 00:47:51,400 know that Mr is absent today and 1055 00:47:50,319 --> 00:47:54,119 sometimes that happens but this would 1056 00:47:51,400 --> 00:47:57,359 also give him time to um to be able to 1057 00:47:54,119 --> 00:47:59,720 provide any input and um can I also just 1058 00:47:57,359 --> 00:48:01,160 say that as this was brought up I took 1059 00:47:59,720 --> 00:48:03,760 the opportunity to look at the CH 1060 00:48:01,160 --> 00:48:06,240 Charter in its entirety and it might 1061 00:48:03,760 --> 00:48:07,680 just be time for an overall uh revision 1062 00:48:06,240 --> 00:48:09,040 of the chart because some of the even 1063 00:48:07,680 --> 00:48:11,319 some of the language in there like a 1064 00:48:09,040 --> 00:48:12,960 constable we haven't had conable I can't 1065 00:48:11,319 --> 00:48:14,480 tell you when so this might be a time 1066 00:48:12,960 --> 00:48:16,400 where us you know it came up and I'm 1067 00:48:14,480 --> 00:48:18,880 said well let me look at this and uh so 1068 00:48:16,400 --> 00:48:20,640 maybe we may want to look at the entire 1069 00:48:18,880 --> 00:48:22,880 Charter and make sure that everything is 1070 00:48:20,640 --> 00:48:24,200 as it should be not this time though I 1071 00:48:22,880 --> 00:48:26,960 mean just P 1072 00:48:24,200 --> 00:48:28,119 moment but there is a process with a 1073 00:48:26,960 --> 00:48:30,200 revision and I think that we should 1074 00:48:28,119 --> 00:48:32,839 really consider doing that to make sure 1075 00:48:30,200 --> 00:48:34,480 that our Charter um meets what today's 1076 00:48:32,839 --> 00:48:37,720 standards are actually need in today's 1077 00:48:34,480 --> 00:48:40,040 language so just want to um also include 1078 00:48:37,720 --> 00:48:41,800 that so we'll bring this back incl weeks 1079 00:48:40,040 --> 00:48:43,079 appreciate everyone's input uh I'll 1080 00:48:41,800 --> 00:48:45,800 accept a motion to ajour government 1081 00:48:43,079 --> 00:48:48,520 operations so more I'll second that all 1082 00:48:45,800 --> 00:48:48,520 favor I we are 1083 00:48:48,559 --> 00:48:53,200 adjourn 1084 00:48:50,839 --> 00:48:55,760 okay I'd like to call the order City 1085 00:48:53,200 --> 00:48:58,240 development and planning we have nine 1086 00:48:55,760 --> 00:49:00,960 items on the agenda 1087 00:48:58,240 --> 00:49:02,839 done and the first is the award the 1088 00:49:00,960 --> 00:49:04,599 bidden contract to Connected little 1089 00:49:02,839 --> 00:49:07,880 league and car street fencing 1090 00:49:04,599 --> 00:49:07,880 improvements Mr 1091 00:49:14,040 --> 00:49:20,720 Waller hello 1092 00:49:16,920 --> 00:49:23,240 and working with the connect little 1093 00:49:20,720 --> 00:49:25,440 league and the neighborhood association 1094 00:49:23,240 --> 00:49:29,440 that is working on carry Street Park the 1095 00:49:25,440 --> 00:49:32,839 city put out a a joint fencing bid um 1096 00:49:29,440 --> 00:49:36,160 the bid is for uh fencing improvements 1097 00:49:32,839 --> 00:49:38,119 uh mostly just replacement of fencing at 1098 00:49:36,160 --> 00:49:40,960 the conc Little League which is Oregon 1099 00:49:38,119 --> 00:49:42,920 Avenue Fields as well as a replacement 1100 00:49:40,960 --> 00:49:45,200 and installation of fencing on the carry 1101 00:49:42,920 --> 00:49:47,839 Street Park along the basketball court 1102 00:49:45,200 --> 00:49:51,480 and the playground um we received three 1103 00:49:47,839 --> 00:49:53,680 bids the low bid was byal construction 1104 00:49:51,480 --> 00:49:56,119 um we did call five references including 1105 00:49:53,680 --> 00:49:57,760 a reference in the city of Albany for a 1106 00:49:56,119 --> 00:50:00,480 here that we work with all the 1107 00:49:57,760 --> 00:50:02,480 references came back fine um we are 1108 00:50:00,480 --> 00:50:04,599 looking to award all of the alternates 1109 00:50:02,480 --> 00:50:06,880 as it was in budget and the budget will 1110 00:50:04,599 --> 00:50:09,680 be split between arpa funding that was 1111 00:50:06,880 --> 00:50:12,079 set aside for Lo League improvements and 1112 00:50:09,680 --> 00:50:14,520 Facilities funding as the park is not 1113 00:50:12,079 --> 00:50:14,520 part of 1114 00:50:15,000 --> 00:50:19,720 the so um in terms of the organ Avenue 1115 00:50:18,280 --> 00:50:21,960 and I know that's where the arpa money 1116 00:50:19,720 --> 00:50:23,319 is so this is the fencing but is there 1117 00:50:21,960 --> 00:50:25,520 other are there other things that are 1118 00:50:23,319 --> 00:50:28,400 also going to be happening in addition 1119 00:50:25,520 --> 00:50:30,599 to that I know it's part of this correct 1120 00:50:28,400 --> 00:50:32,000 yes so now that we have our budget 1121 00:50:30,599 --> 00:50:35,520 number we wanted to see what the budget 1122 00:50:32,000 --> 00:50:36,960 number was so when we received this uh 1123 00:50:35,520 --> 00:50:39,680 since it was under the budget that we 1124 00:50:36,960 --> 00:50:41,559 had we then issued a PO for a new 1125 00:50:39,680 --> 00:50:44,319 scoreboard so the scoreboard is actually 1126 00:50:41,559 --> 00:50:46,559 ordered it was underneath the the value 1127 00:50:44,319 --> 00:50:48,720 we needed to bid so the scoreboard is 1128 00:50:46,559 --> 00:50:50,839 ordered uh City forces have been there 1129 00:50:48,720 --> 00:50:53,359 we've repaired some of their uh septic 1130 00:50:50,839 --> 00:50:55,880 issues they have had volunteers uh 1131 00:50:53,359 --> 00:50:58,520 donate time to help with the roofs um we 1132 00:50:55,880 --> 00:51:00,960 are also working working with them on um 1133 00:50:58,520 --> 00:51:03,480 other projects as as the clearing of the 1134 00:51:00,960 --> 00:51:05,720 fields um I believe I don't have the 1135 00:51:03,480 --> 00:51:07,240 list in front of me but there is a quite 1136 00:51:05,720 --> 00:51:09,480 a long list of things that we're looking 1137 00:51:07,240 --> 00:51:12,160 at trying to accomplish with a mixture 1138 00:51:09,480 --> 00:51:14,599 of In-House and Contract Services most 1139 00:51:12,160 --> 00:51:17,119 of the things we think we can get done 1140 00:51:14,599 --> 00:51:19,920 with Rewritten quotes as it's under 1141 00:51:17,119 --> 00:51:22,040 35,000 but this fencing was the one that 1142 00:51:19,920 --> 00:51:23,640 we knew would be the biggest value item 1143 00:51:22,040 --> 00:51:25,559 so that's why we bit it and didn't move 1144 00:51:23,640 --> 00:51:28,240 forward with anything until we had these 1145 00:51:25,559 --> 00:51:30,400 numbers thank you any other question yes 1146 00:51:28,240 --> 00:51:33,599 Mr Toro I'd like to personally thank Mr 1147 00:51:30,400 --> 00:51:36,160 Wen and fr Fred masani they've been 1148 00:51:33,599 --> 00:51:38,559 working diligently on the Oregon Avenue 1149 00:51:36,160 --> 00:51:40,359 um and I know it's there are little tiny 1150 00:51:38,559 --> 00:51:42,160 things knockout things and there's a lot 1151 00:51:40,359 --> 00:51:44,040 of work that goes into getting the bids 1152 00:51:42,160 --> 00:51:45,640 on all these little things but thank you 1153 00:51:44,040 --> 00:51:47,079 very much and I I I know they're very 1154 00:51:45,640 --> 00:51:48,960 appreciative of everything that's 1155 00:51:47,079 --> 00:51:52,680 happening over there so thank 1156 00:51:48,960 --> 00:51:56,680 you any other questions comments and a 1157 00:51:52,680 --> 00:52:00,520 motion so uh so move I'll second I'll 1158 00:51:56,680 --> 00:52:03,680 favor I I thank you thank you Mr 1159 00:52:00,520 --> 00:52:06,359 R the uh next item on the agenda is a 1160 00:52:03,680 --> 00:52:09,200 presentation for water bik rental 1161 00:52:06,359 --> 00:52:09,200 services Mr 1162 00:52:10,359 --> 00:52:16,760 Leon good evening um the CH PR you is a 1163 00:52:14,440 --> 00:52:19,280 proposal or presentation um which will 1164 00:52:16,760 --> 00:52:22,920 be given by uh Patricia Reed she is the 1165 00:52:19,280 --> 00:52:25,079 owner of um PC Waterworks I believe it 1166 00:52:22,920 --> 00:52:26,960 is and she is the best one to be able to 1167 00:52:25,079 --> 00:52:30,400 answer questions with regards to to what 1168 00:52:26,960 --> 00:52:34,000 is she's proposing to do in central part 1169 00:52:30,400 --> 00:52:36,319 with regards Dependable um remits so I'd 1170 00:52:34,000 --> 00:52:41,240 like P to come up you can answer any of 1171 00:52:36,319 --> 00:52:41,240 your questions we be regard to do um her 1172 00:52:48,400 --> 00:52:53,559 operation hi 1173 00:52:50,559 --> 00:52:57,680 everybody my name is w and that's my 1174 00:52:53,559 --> 00:53:01,559 husband de Wade uh we be trying to open 1175 00:52:57,680 --> 00:53:05,200 our business since uh June 1176 00:53:01,559 --> 00:53:09,200 2022 uh the city connected requested 1177 00:53:05,200 --> 00:53:13,960 everything uh from us and we submitted 1178 00:53:09,200 --> 00:53:16,880 everything needed so I'll just explain 1179 00:53:13,960 --> 00:53:16,880 what we trying to 1180 00:53:21,599 --> 00:53:29,119 do so PC water rights 1181 00:53:25,040 --> 00:53:31,160 LC we like to bring a new business to 1182 00:53:29,119 --> 00:53:33,000 Central 1183 00:53:31,160 --> 00:53:37,319 Parks 1184 00:53:33,000 --> 00:53:42,720 PC water right LC will be part of 1185 00:53:37,319 --> 00:53:47,760 the for the community it bring more 1186 00:53:42,720 --> 00:53:52,319 fun can C it's a rental business we'll 1187 00:53:47,760 --> 00:53:54,000 be renting our three wheel tricle water 1188 00:53:52,319 --> 00:53:58,599 bike 1189 00:53:54,000 --> 00:54:02,359 ped to customers will be we would love 1190 00:53:58,599 --> 00:54:05,200 to have the opportunity to bring more 1191 00:54:02,359 --> 00:54:08,680 positivity to the city of SC Central 1192 00:54:05,200 --> 00:54:11,799 Park by bring a new business that other 1193 00:54:08,680 --> 00:54:15,119 parks in this capital region doesn't 1194 00:54:11,799 --> 00:54:16,359 have since this is a season of business 1195 00:54:15,119 --> 00:54:20,599 will be 1196 00:54:16,359 --> 00:54:25,680 opening 7 days a week from 11:00 a.m. to 1197 00:54:20,599 --> 00:54:27,040 700 p.m. due to inflation PC laser water 1198 00:54:25,680 --> 00:54:30,160 rights will be 1199 00:54:27,040 --> 00:54:31,880 charging $10 per person for 20 minutes 1200 00:54:30,160 --> 00:54:36,079 right but the 1201 00:54:31,880 --> 00:54:40,599 customers have a choice to choose how 1202 00:54:36,079 --> 00:54:45,440 long they want to rent a water 1203 00:54:40,599 --> 00:54:47,680 ride so for that reason we asking for 1204 00:54:45,440 --> 00:54:51,440 city of SK to give us the opportunity 1205 00:54:47,680 --> 00:54:51,440 and the chance to open this new 1206 00:54:51,680 --> 00:54:55,160 bu all right I'll start I have a 1207 00:54:53,799 --> 00:54:56,839 question so are you doing this business 1208 00:54:55,160 --> 00:54:59,119 any place else at this time 1209 00:54:56,839 --> 00:55:00,839 no so this would be the first time that 1210 00:54:59,119 --> 00:55:03,440 you do this will be the first time we're 1211 00:55:00,839 --> 00:55:05,520 doing business um you did mention that 1212 00:55:03,440 --> 00:55:07,400 you've been trying to do this with us 1213 00:55:05,520 --> 00:55:09,400 since 2022 can you tell me a little 1214 00:55:07,400 --> 00:55:13,760 about that since 1215 00:55:09,400 --> 00:55:16,079 2022 uh I came to the city of sced to us 1216 00:55:13,760 --> 00:55:18,799 to see how I can operate the buildings 1217 00:55:16,079 --> 00:55:21,359 in Central Park and that was given the 1218 00:55:18,799 --> 00:55:25,440 information that I had to speak to Mr 1219 00:55:21,359 --> 00:55:30,280 Paul which I sent all the paperwork and 1220 00:55:25,440 --> 00:55:33,680 the business plan to Mr Po and he been 1221 00:55:30,280 --> 00:55:36,160 communicating with me and then he gave 1222 00:55:33,680 --> 00:55:40,400 the paper to 1223 00:55:36,160 --> 00:55:42,160 Mr will I was working with him then I 1224 00:55:40,400 --> 00:55:44,440 was told this year he's no longer 1225 00:55:42,160 --> 00:55:47,640 working for the city of connected so we 1226 00:55:44,440 --> 00:55:51,200 had to go back to PO so I had to start 1227 00:55:47,640 --> 00:55:53,000 from the beginning so thank God PA been 1228 00:55:51,200 --> 00:55:56,319 calling me and communicating with me 1229 00:55:53,000 --> 00:56:01,839 letting me know what I need uh and what 1230 00:55:56,319 --> 00:56:01,839 needed for us to be able to open the 1231 00:56:03,039 --> 00:56:06,920 business um and also in your business 1232 00:56:05,079 --> 00:56:08,799 plan it says that you would be the only 1233 00:56:06,920 --> 00:56:11,799 you only have one staff person doing 1234 00:56:08,799 --> 00:56:13,799 this could you found a little bit say 1235 00:56:11,799 --> 00:56:16,000 that again how many staff people would 1236 00:56:13,799 --> 00:56:18,720 be present at be only just me and my 1237 00:56:16,000 --> 00:56:18,720 husband at this 1238 00:56:20,640 --> 00:56:25,880 for Mr manini I was almost expecting to 1239 00:56:23,760 --> 00:56:29,000 see the paddle boats that I'm used to 1240 00:56:25,880 --> 00:56:30,400 see yes so I have that cuz I know 1241 00:56:29,000 --> 00:56:33,440 everybody will think like it's the 1242 00:56:30,400 --> 00:56:37,319 regular P Bo this is something different 1243 00:56:33,440 --> 00:56:39,880 that nobody has that's why we try to 1244 00:56:37,319 --> 00:56:42,880 bring 1245 00:56:39,880 --> 00:56:44,920 to yeah so it's something like this 1246 00:56:42,880 --> 00:56:47,839 right now I see I know when I when I was 1247 00:56:44,920 --> 00:56:51,280 open I was expecting when I saw the P 1248 00:56:47,839 --> 00:56:53,200 typical P that lower to the this is how 1249 00:56:51,280 --> 00:56:56,799 it works as you can see the video I 1250 00:56:53,200 --> 00:57:01,599 think that's cool 1251 00:56:56,799 --> 00:57:04,079 very go do you ever see this how here 1252 00:57:01,599 --> 00:57:06,319 are they any more less safe than the 1253 00:57:04,079 --> 00:57:08,880 than the typical ones 1254 00:57:06,319 --> 00:57:11,559 were accustomed to seeing or more 1255 00:57:08,880 --> 00:57:13,799 difficult to navigate say that again the 1256 00:57:11,559 --> 00:57:16,319 the typ the paddle BS that I've seen you 1257 00:57:13,799 --> 00:57:18,839 know the one you one the old one the 1258 00:57:16,319 --> 00:57:21,079 one so these are there are there any 1259 00:57:18,839 --> 00:57:23,599 more risk of it tip in or more difficult 1260 00:57:21,079 --> 00:57:25,760 to navigate no you just R like you 1261 00:57:23,599 --> 00:57:28,640 sitting in like a bik but you sitting 1262 00:57:25,760 --> 00:57:31,920 down just that's right they just Way co 1263 00:57:28,640 --> 00:57:34,559 you yeah I like that so this is a 1264 00:57:31,920 --> 00:57:38,280 new a new 1265 00:57:34,559 --> 00:57:40,160 one so we asking for the city of SK the 1266 00:57:38,280 --> 00:57:43,640 opportunity to bring this building to 1267 00:57:40,160 --> 00:57:46,480 Central Park Miss Patrick yes so I just 1268 00:57:43,640 --> 00:57:48,480 wanted to ask about um life jackets I 1269 00:57:46,480 --> 00:57:50,720 wanted to ask about liability um in 1270 00:57:48,480 --> 00:57:54,880 terms of the City versus um the owner of 1271 00:57:50,720 --> 00:57:56,440 the company um as well as again back to 1272 00:57:54,880 --> 00:57:58,760 the rules discussion that we were having 1273 00:57:56,440 --> 00:58:01,799 about the pool I mean what would be the 1274 00:57:58,760 --> 00:58:05,400 age limit in terms of how old would 1275 00:58:01,799 --> 00:58:07,920 someone need to be to be able to uh get 1276 00:58:05,400 --> 00:58:09,760 this that you're going to get into 1277 00:58:07,920 --> 00:58:11,240 negotiating terms and conditions the 1278 00:58:09,760 --> 00:58:14,400 contract that it should be done in the 1279 00:58:11,240 --> 00:58:17,640 executive session most a generic 1280 00:58:14,400 --> 00:58:19,400 conversation than public session any the 1281 00:58:17,640 --> 00:58:22,599 details would more appropriate in 1282 00:58:19,400 --> 00:58:24,960 executive session Madam chair I would I 1283 00:58:22,599 --> 00:58:27,599 would yes I would say that we're going 1284 00:58:24,960 --> 00:58:29,599 to go going discussions about the terms 1285 00:58:27,599 --> 00:58:31,960 and conditions of The Proposal as 1286 00:58:29,599 --> 00:58:35,200 proposed we should go into an executive 1287 00:58:31,960 --> 00:58:37,920 section but I I'll just tell the council 1288 00:58:35,200 --> 00:58:39,960 that the uh any charges for the rental 1289 00:58:37,920 --> 00:58:41,839 to Pedal shall be set by resolution of 1290 00:58:39,960 --> 00:58:44,319 the city 1291 00:58:41,839 --> 00:58:47,400 council sorry did you say that 1292 00:58:44,319 --> 00:58:49,839 again fees for the rental of pedal boats 1293 00:58:47,400 --> 00:58:52,640 shall be set by resolution by the city 1294 00:58:49,839 --> 00:58:56,280 council in other words the city council 1295 00:58:52,640 --> 00:58:59,079 sets the race whether whether this was a 1296 00:58:56,280 --> 00:59:02,079 the operated function or private 1297 00:58:59,079 --> 00:59:05,000 operator function the ordinance is clear 1298 00:59:02,079 --> 00:59:08,280 that the city council sets the rate and 1299 00:59:05,000 --> 00:59:12,079 that's to 1300 00:59:08,280 --> 00:59:16,079 18621 sub B and also there's another 1301 00:59:12,079 --> 00:59:19,400 section of the uh of the of the the city 1302 00:59:16,079 --> 00:59:22,319 code under uh cods for public 1303 00:59:19,400 --> 00:59:24,160 use um the charge for use of a boat or a 1304 00:59:22,319 --> 00:59:26,119 canoe shall be set by resolution of the 1305 00:59:24,160 --> 00:59:29,720 city council at the time it approves it 1306 00:59:26,119 --> 00:59:31,640 Contractor License so it's quite clear 1307 00:59:29,720 --> 00:59:33,240 and that those were all done by you know 1308 00:59:31,640 --> 00:59:37,359 resolution back in 1309 00:59:33,240 --> 00:59:40,079 2017 as amended previously so the rates 1310 00:59:37,359 --> 00:59:42,559 are not set by the vendor the rates are 1311 00:59:40,079 --> 00:59:45,359 set by you so I think at this point 1312 00:59:42,559 --> 00:59:47,200 we're going to get into the proposal in 1313 00:59:45,359 --> 00:59:48,480 detail and we probably should do that 1314 00:59:47,200 --> 00:59:50,079 executive session because that's the 1315 00:59:48,480 --> 00:59:53,200 terms and conditions that we're going to 1316 00:59:50,079 --> 00:59:56,480 Grant the license for the use of 1317 00:59:53,200 --> 00:59:57,880 facility City facility so the question 1318 00:59:56,480 --> 00:59:59,640 about life jacket does that something 1319 00:59:57,880 --> 01:00:02,000 does that need to be there or those kind 1320 00:59:59,640 --> 01:00:04,760 of things can those life jacket it's uh 1321 01:00:02,000 --> 01:00:07,200 it's the proposal has that and then also 1322 01:00:04,760 --> 01:00:09,200 it's also covered our city code what is 1323 01:00:07,200 --> 01:00:12,200 required but I don't want to get too 1324 01:00:09,200 --> 01:00:14,200 much a deep dive to all the sections 1325 01:00:12,200 --> 01:00:15,400 that particular proposal well miss 1326 01:00:14,200 --> 01:00:17,359 Patrick just had a question about the 1327 01:00:15,400 --> 01:00:18,359 life jackets and is is that going be are 1328 01:00:17,359 --> 01:00:20,520 they going to be 1329 01:00:18,359 --> 01:00:23,680 available life jackets we'll be 1330 01:00:20,520 --> 01:00:26,200 providing the last Jack to all H thank 1331 01:00:23,680 --> 01:00:29,039 you 1332 01:00:26,200 --> 01:00:30,400 Williams uh so first I wanted to say um 1333 01:00:29,039 --> 01:00:32,160 definitely excited to hear about a new 1334 01:00:30,400 --> 01:00:34,039 Venture I think connectivity definitely 1335 01:00:32,160 --> 01:00:36,359 thrives on a small businesses you know 1336 01:00:34,039 --> 01:00:38,559 often times requires them to maintain uh 1337 01:00:36,359 --> 01:00:40,520 the viability of our community I did 1338 01:00:38,559 --> 01:00:42,720 have a few questions you mentioned that 1339 01:00:40,520 --> 01:00:45,400 it was going to be $10 for 20 minutes I 1340 01:00:42,720 --> 01:00:47,480 see in the pricing structure 1341 01:00:45,400 --> 01:00:49,720 hopefully all right cool U so I didn't 1342 01:00:47,480 --> 01:00:51,119 know if there was a guess 20 minutes and 1343 01:00:49,720 --> 01:00:53,880 30 minutes but so we can discuss that 1344 01:00:51,119 --> 01:00:57,160 later also in your contract it said that 1345 01:00:53,880 --> 01:01:00,480 You' pay a fee of $250 you 1346 01:00:57,160 --> 01:01:03,280 mind even if she presented 1347 01:01:00,480 --> 01:01:04,680 that negotiating contract well mean not 1348 01:01:03,280 --> 01:01:06,960 negotiating getting a definition of 1349 01:01:04,680 --> 01:01:08,799 where she came from I think you know we 1350 01:01:06,960 --> 01:01:11,319 can bring that back if the council wish 1351 01:01:08,799 --> 01:01:15,799 should negotiate with that we can put 1352 01:01:11,319 --> 01:01:19,599 that right prop vendor 1353 01:01:15,799 --> 01:01:21,760 concern so the question is with their 1354 01:01:19,599 --> 01:01:24,520 for the general question what's what's 1355 01:01:21,760 --> 01:01:27,400 the proposal on 1356 01:01:24,520 --> 01:01:28,680 now say how much you how much you you 1357 01:01:27,400 --> 01:01:30,240 want to pay the 1358 01:01:28,680 --> 01:01:33,880 city 1359 01:01:30,240 --> 01:01:36,640 well you ask me up $0000 by the 1360 01:01:33,880 --> 01:01:40,000 city okay you proposed 250 let's start 1361 01:01:36,640 --> 01:01:42,760 there no I didn't propose anything told 1362 01:01:40,000 --> 01:01:45,520 me that I have to pay 1363 01:01:42,760 --> 01:01:47,799 $250 so that that didn't come from me 1364 01:01:45,520 --> 01:01:49,200 that was told by the city that I have to 1365 01:01:47,799 --> 01:01:51,640 pay 1366 01:01:49,200 --> 01:01:54,119 $250 now okay understood and then last 1367 01:01:51,640 --> 01:01:56,079 question about that I thought it came 1368 01:01:54,119 --> 01:01:57,240 from the OWN 1369 01:01:56,079 --> 01:01:59,920 say once 1370 01:01:57,240 --> 01:02:02,279 again if we have any concerns about 1371 01:01:59,920 --> 01:02:04,559 proposal perhaps we can do that 1372 01:02:02,279 --> 01:02:06,880 executive session and we can reach out 1373 01:02:04,559 --> 01:02:09,799 to the proposed vendor with their 1374 01:02:06,880 --> 01:02:12,440 concerns and I guess a final question in 1375 01:02:09,799 --> 01:02:13,680 um timeline should we approve it uh how 1376 01:02:12,440 --> 01:02:15,119 fast will you be able to implement that 1377 01:02:13,680 --> 01:02:17,160 are you thinking about this season and 1378 01:02:15,119 --> 01:02:19,760 do you already have the 1379 01:02:17,160 --> 01:02:22,119 equipment I was like way I said the 1380 01:02:19,760 --> 01:02:24,520 paper I was try to open this as soon as 1381 01:02:22,119 --> 01:02:28,000 possible like I put it in writing was 1382 01:02:24,520 --> 01:02:30,480 supposed to be June 3D but as you see 1383 01:02:28,000 --> 01:02:32,720 June so i' been waiting so I was happy 1384 01:02:30,480 --> 01:02:37,079 to receive a phone call from Mr PA when 1385 01:02:32,720 --> 01:02:40,960 he called me like oh you forget me so so 1386 01:02:37,079 --> 01:02:43,599 now we are in July as soon as possible 1387 01:02:40,960 --> 01:02:46,559 cuz at this point we only have like what 1388 01:02:43,599 --> 01:02:50,720 July August it be like two months cuz 1389 01:02:46,559 --> 01:02:54,640 the city asked that the uh bo have to be 1390 01:02:50,720 --> 01:02:57,160 out the water before uh September 3rd or 1391 01:02:54,640 --> 01:03:01,079 after September 3rd 1392 01:02:57,160 --> 01:03:02,799 so we only have like two months but you 1393 01:03:01,079 --> 01:03:05,039 do have equipment already though yes we 1394 01:03:02,799 --> 01:03:09,799 have the equipment already everything is 1395 01:03:05,039 --> 01:03:11,359 set up oh okay that okay thank you so um 1396 01:03:09,799 --> 01:03:13,680 I think there are some questions though 1397 01:03:11,359 --> 01:03:17,119 that the council has that we would have 1398 01:03:13,680 --> 01:03:17,119 to address those in the executive 1399 01:03:17,440 --> 01:03:21,119 session so um there's Council has other 1400 01:03:20,039 --> 01:03:22,480 questions and we're going to have to 1401 01:03:21,119 --> 01:03:25,000 talk more about that in executive 1402 01:03:22,480 --> 01:03:26,440 session because it it has to do with the 1403 01:03:25,000 --> 01:03:29,680 contract and we can't 1404 01:03:26,440 --> 01:03:32,760 that publicly okay okay so is the city 1405 01:03:29,680 --> 01:03:34,720 going to send me the contract or what I 1406 01:03:32,760 --> 01:03:36,799 well depends on the decision comes out 1407 01:03:34,720 --> 01:03:38,520 executive session but you you'll the 1408 01:03:36,799 --> 01:03:40,400 short answer as you'll be contacted 1409 01:03:38,520 --> 01:03:42,119 about what the decision is okay all 1410 01:03:40,400 --> 01:03:44,319 right thank you for the opportunity all 1411 01:03:42,119 --> 01:03:50,000 right thank you for coming you thank you 1412 01:03:44,319 --> 01:03:50,000 for your time thank you thank you thank 1413 01:03:50,880 --> 01:03:58,480 you all right um the next one is the 1414 01:03:55,839 --> 01:04:00,440 riew for the amendments to the city code 1415 01:03:58,480 --> 01:04:03,119 um and proposed change to the City 1416 01:04:00,440 --> 01:04:07,000 conect Historic District ordinance and 1417 01:04:03,119 --> 01:04:07,000 the public was on June 24th 1418 01:04:07,079 --> 01:04:14,480 2024 and all of you have that in your 1419 01:04:09,640 --> 01:04:15,400 packet um in addition to that you also 1420 01:04:14,480 --> 01:04:18,920 one there 1421 01:04:15,400 --> 01:04:22,839 was there was one piece of legislation 1422 01:04:18,920 --> 01:04:23,839 of the legislation that um there were we 1423 01:04:22,839 --> 01:04:26,640 received 1424 01:04:23,839 --> 01:04:28,400 emails and email and also someone came 1425 01:04:26,640 --> 01:04:30,599 to speak at the public hearing and they 1426 01:04:28,400 --> 01:04:33,799 followed that up with the email as well 1427 01:04:30,599 --> 01:04:34,640 and it had to do with the um number of 1428 01:04:33,799 --> 01:04:35,920 people on the 1429 01:04:34,640 --> 01:04:37,960 [Music] 1430 01:04:35,920 --> 01:04:39,839 commission as far as I know that was the 1431 01:04:37,960 --> 01:04:43,200 only area of concern that was brought up 1432 01:04:39,839 --> 01:04:47,279 at the public hearing um what I did take 1433 01:04:43,200 --> 01:04:49,839 a look at is uh all of our other boards 1434 01:04:47,279 --> 01:04:52,640 that we have and essentially most boards 1435 01:04:49,839 --> 01:04:54,400 with the exception of the um the board 1436 01:04:52,640 --> 01:04:57,400 of assessment review which meets just a 1437 01:04:54,400 --> 01:05:00,359 few weeks to um to for assessments and 1438 01:04:57,400 --> 01:05:03,119 then the ethics board which meet seems 1439 01:05:00,359 --> 01:05:04,839 like every uh every decade um they have 1440 01:05:03,119 --> 01:05:08,599 five but everything else has between 1441 01:05:04,839 --> 01:05:10,960 seven and nine and um if you would just 1442 01:05:08,599 --> 01:05:14,000 in your packet you have the input from 1443 01:05:10,960 --> 01:05:14,000 the individuals 1444 01:05:14,279 --> 01:05:19,079 who unan part of the grp that 1445 01:05:16,640 --> 01:05:22,319 unanimously um voted to try to keep it 1446 01:05:19,079 --> 01:05:25,480 at 7 and um just want to have some 1447 01:05:22,319 --> 01:05:28,559 discussion around that in terms of that 1448 01:05:25,480 --> 01:05:30,839 and and you know how we how we move 1449 01:05:28,559 --> 01:05:33,920 forward I did um I did have a discussion 1450 01:05:30,839 --> 01:05:36,400 with Miss caror to explain um you know 1451 01:05:33,920 --> 01:05:38,279 how I I saw this but I'd like to open 1452 01:05:36,400 --> 01:05:40,480 this up to the council for discussion 1453 01:05:38,279 --> 01:05:43,880 because uh at the public hearing that 1454 01:05:40,480 --> 01:05:46,880 was the only concern that was brought up 1455 01:05:43,880 --> 01:05:50,000 as part of this 1456 01:05:46,880 --> 01:05:51,520 um as part of this amendment to the 1457 01:05:50,000 --> 01:05:55,039 ordinance 1458 01:05:51,520 --> 01:05:57,960 so yes Mr to um I I would go on the 1459 01:05:55,039 --> 01:05:59,720 advice of of the historic commission um 1460 01:05:57,960 --> 01:06:02,000 they've been doing this job a long time 1461 01:05:59,720 --> 01:06:04,559 for many years having a business and a 1462 01:06:02,000 --> 01:06:06,359 home both in historic uh districts here 1463 01:06:04,559 --> 01:06:09,200 in the city I appreciate everything they 1464 01:06:06,359 --> 01:06:13,039 do keeping things 1465 01:06:09,200 --> 01:06:16,640 um keeping things uh true to to their 1466 01:06:13,039 --> 01:06:19,760 their past um my feeling is if they 1467 01:06:16,640 --> 01:06:23,000 think seven uh would would always uh 1468 01:06:19,760 --> 01:06:25,839 constitute uh getting a better Quorum um 1469 01:06:23,000 --> 01:06:28,359 and I'm going to go with their advice I 1470 01:06:25,839 --> 01:06:31,160 think it should stay at 7 and instead of 1471 01:06:28,359 --> 01:06:34,039 down to 5: again that's if I mean it's a 1472 01:06:31,160 --> 01:06:37,000 it's a it's a huge undertaking this this 1473 01:06:34,039 --> 01:06:38,880 commission itself um there's a lot to 1474 01:06:37,000 --> 01:06:40,720 consider a lot of meetings there's a lot 1475 01:06:38,880 --> 01:06:44,000 of areas in the city that they have to 1476 01:06:40,720 --> 01:06:46,160 consider but um again if if these 1477 01:06:44,000 --> 01:06:48,240 individuals um who have reached out to 1478 01:06:46,160 --> 01:06:50,240 us have uh Richard and Gloria have been 1479 01:06:48,240 --> 01:06:52,920 on this commission for a long time and 1480 01:06:50,240 --> 01:06:55,079 and I think if they think seven is 1481 01:06:52,920 --> 01:06:57,400 worthy then I I would suggest we stay 1482 01:06:55,079 --> 01:07:00,200 with seven 1483 01:06:57,400 --> 01:07:02,640 anybody else Miss Patrick well I do have 1484 01:07:00,200 --> 01:07:05,960 concerns um I I appreciate what Miss 1485 01:07:02,640 --> 01:07:07,520 Toro um and the commission is saying um 1486 01:07:05,960 --> 01:07:09,359 at the same time I appreciate what the 1487 01:07:07,520 --> 01:07:12,119 staff is saying 1488 01:07:09,359 --> 01:07:14,079 having I mean if we look on page 46 of 1489 01:07:12,119 --> 01:07:18,960 our packet we did get I think that you 1490 01:07:14,079 --> 01:07:21,559 asked for that these statistics um 1491 01:07:18,960 --> 01:07:24,559 and you know they really haven't had uh 1492 01:07:21,559 --> 01:07:29,079 great attendance at the um according to 1493 01:07:24,559 --> 01:07:30,599 this um we can see that I think we can 1494 01:07:29,079 --> 01:07:35,039 understand why our staff person was 1495 01:07:30,599 --> 01:07:37,520 recommending the change um but yes I can 1496 01:07:35,039 --> 01:07:39,720 see also that the commission is asking 1497 01:07:37,520 --> 01:07:44,319 for us to stay at 7 but I guess I would 1498 01:07:39,720 --> 01:07:45,839 have to say that we really would need to 1499 01:07:44,319 --> 01:07:48,880 make sure that they were going to be 1500 01:07:45,839 --> 01:07:51,039 able to have you know more than four 1501 01:07:48,880 --> 01:07:53,400 people there right well I'm sorry go 1502 01:07:51,039 --> 01:07:56,760 ahead Mr no I was going to kind I agree 1503 01:07:53,400 --> 01:07:59,079 with what uh m b is saying I think that 1504 01:07:56,760 --> 01:08:00,119 you know we're in a cuz all things that 1505 01:07:59,079 --> 01:08:01,960 we're talking about here kind of you 1506 01:08:00,119 --> 01:08:03,680 know have Merit it makes sense to you 1507 01:08:01,960 --> 01:08:05,720 know kind of defer to the people who are 1508 01:08:03,680 --> 01:08:08,480 in the position right now who understand 1509 01:08:05,720 --> 01:08:10,640 how things have been going um or or 1510 01:08:08,480 --> 01:08:11,799 what's necessary but then looking at you 1511 01:08:10,640 --> 01:08:13,680 know kind of the information that 1512 01:08:11,799 --> 01:08:16,120 receive based on outcomes it does seem 1513 01:08:13,680 --> 01:08:20,560 to be a struggle so I guess the question 1514 01:08:16,120 --> 01:08:21,880 is you know if we were to defer to um 1515 01:08:20,560 --> 01:08:23,960 people assign a commission how would 1516 01:08:21,880 --> 01:08:25,319 they demonstrate their ability to not be 1517 01:08:23,960 --> 01:08:26,719 in the position that they're currently 1518 01:08:25,319 --> 01:08:28,839 in 1519 01:08:26,719 --> 01:08:32,279 so I I think in terms of demonstrating 1520 01:08:28,839 --> 01:08:33,719 the um um that they would not be in this 1521 01:08:32,279 --> 01:08:36,080 position part of that is our 1522 01:08:33,719 --> 01:08:38,000 responsibility it belongs to the city 1523 01:08:36,080 --> 01:08:40,199 that because we 1524 01:08:38,000 --> 01:08:43,799 really we've kind of went through this 1525 01:08:40,199 --> 01:08:47,239 process similarly with the um the cprb 1526 01:08:43,799 --> 01:08:48,679 true so it's about um making sure the 1527 01:08:47,239 --> 01:08:49,880 applications are submitted my 1528 01:08:48,679 --> 01:08:51,600 understanding from one of the emails is 1529 01:08:49,880 --> 01:08:53,400 there are current applications that are 1530 01:08:51,600 --> 01:08:55,839 we have here that have not gone through 1531 01:08:53,400 --> 01:08:57,480 the process and therefore you know one 1532 01:08:55,839 --> 01:09:00,920 they have to come to us before we can 1533 01:08:57,480 --> 01:09:02,719 make a decision on them so um I I don't 1534 01:09:00,920 --> 01:09:04,440 I looked for it in the code I looked and 1535 01:09:02,719 --> 01:09:07,279 I didn't see where there's any clear 1536 01:09:04,440 --> 01:09:08,560 process we know that we know you know 1537 01:09:07,279 --> 01:09:09,880 because of how we've been doing it that 1538 01:09:08,560 --> 01:09:11,759 it goes to the mayor and then mayor 1539 01:09:09,880 --> 01:09:14,239 brings to the council but I don't see 1540 01:09:11,759 --> 01:09:17,359 where there's any any written process 1541 01:09:14,239 --> 01:09:19,640 and um so with the cprb the way we found 1542 01:09:17,359 --> 01:09:21,400 out about it is that the um the chair of 1543 01:09:19,640 --> 01:09:22,719 the cprb came to us and said oh we need 1544 01:09:21,400 --> 01:09:23,960 people and and I kept pushing that 1545 01:09:22,719 --> 01:09:25,000 forward when it happened with the 1546 01:09:23,960 --> 01:09:27,120 Planning Commission the chair of the 1547 01:09:25,000 --> 01:09:29,279 planning commission came forward when it 1548 01:09:27,120 --> 01:09:31,560 happened with the Bureau of assessment 1549 01:09:29,279 --> 01:09:34,839 the board of assessment review our staff 1550 01:09:31,560 --> 01:09:38,640 member who works with that particular um 1551 01:09:34,839 --> 01:09:40,600 board told us so we've got varying ways 1552 01:09:38,640 --> 01:09:42,000 so I think part of it is the process and 1553 01:09:40,600 --> 01:09:43,799 we have to make sure that we have the 1554 01:09:42,000 --> 01:09:47,319 process and then once we have 1555 01:09:43,799 --> 01:09:50,000 applications that we um that they're um 1556 01:09:47,319 --> 01:09:52,560 acting on in in an expedited manner so 1557 01:09:50,000 --> 01:09:55,000 that there is not this um from November 1558 01:09:52,560 --> 01:09:57,480 till May like we had with the cprb so 1559 01:09:55,000 --> 01:09:59,000 part of that is making sure that we have 1560 01:09:57,480 --> 01:10:01,239 all the information and all people that 1561 01:09:59,000 --> 01:10:02,679 need to have the information are aware 1562 01:10:01,239 --> 01:10:05,600 and the applications move through the 1563 01:10:02,679 --> 01:10:07,640 process in an expedited manner so that 1564 01:10:05,600 --> 01:10:09,719 people can get the quum so it's not 1565 01:10:07,640 --> 01:10:12,120 entirely I mean I would say that the 1566 01:10:09,719 --> 01:10:14,080 board has responsibility to say hey 1567 01:10:12,120 --> 01:10:16,080 we're missing but what is the process 1568 01:10:14,080 --> 01:10:17,760 who does it go to and how do once 1569 01:10:16,080 --> 01:10:21,600 applications get here we make sure that 1570 01:10:17,760 --> 01:10:25,440 applications move through the process 1571 01:10:21,600 --> 01:10:28,120 so so um and the I um my my 1572 01:10:25,440 --> 01:10:30,120 recommendation is that we allow the the 1573 01:10:28,120 --> 01:10:32,159 applications that are there be moved 1574 01:10:30,120 --> 01:10:34,600 forward and looked at and moved forward 1575 01:10:32,159 --> 01:10:38,560 so that um they could be able to get a 1576 01:10:34,600 --> 01:10:39,760 form and to me it's easier to if like 1577 01:10:38,560 --> 01:10:41,760 for instance that you look at the 1578 01:10:39,760 --> 01:10:44,480 information that um that was provided by 1579 01:10:41,760 --> 01:10:46,600 Miss haror in terms of them not getting 1580 01:10:44,480 --> 01:10:49,360 um not having only four people but if 1581 01:10:46,600 --> 01:10:51,920 you only have five to choose from and 1582 01:10:49,360 --> 01:10:53,719 four come you have the majority but if 1583 01:10:51,920 --> 01:10:56,440 you if you have seven then you have two 1584 01:10:53,719 --> 01:10:59,159 more people you can ask that you can't 1585 01:10:56,440 --> 01:11:01,920 that that would be available so I would 1586 01:10:59,159 --> 01:11:04,159 recommend that and if if we could um get 1587 01:11:01,920 --> 01:11:05,760 those applications moved forward and 1588 01:11:04,159 --> 01:11:07,360 give it at least till the end of the 1589 01:11:05,760 --> 01:11:10,280 year and see that if they're getting the 1590 01:11:07,360 --> 01:11:12,560 quum and and move forward like that but 1591 01:11:10,280 --> 01:11:14,640 I I uh with I would have to agree with 1592 01:11:12,560 --> 01:11:17,159 Mr Toro that the folks who do this who 1593 01:11:14,640 --> 01:11:19,080 volunteer their time um it's not 1594 01:11:17,159 --> 01:11:21,120 compensated uh that they have the 1595 01:11:19,080 --> 01:11:23,880 opportunity as long and they're willing 1596 01:11:21,120 --> 01:11:25,640 to work with um the department head and 1597 01:11:23,880 --> 01:11:27,280 and again I think that we need to talk 1598 01:11:25,640 --> 01:11:28,920 about not just for this board but for 1599 01:11:27,280 --> 01:11:30,719 all the boards we need to talk about 1600 01:11:28,920 --> 01:11:32,360 what the process looks like getting 1601 01:11:30,719 --> 01:11:34,040 people getting applications and get them 1602 01:11:32,360 --> 01:11:36,440 moved through the so they don't we have 1603 01:11:34,040 --> 01:11:38,400 vacancies for a long period of time that 1604 01:11:36,440 --> 01:11:41,400 causes people not to have a 1605 01:11:38,400 --> 01:11:43,000 quum Mr Williams Oh So what I first 1606 01:11:41,400 --> 01:11:44,679 would like to identify is in no ways 1607 01:11:43,000 --> 01:11:46,440 there a slate at the planning and 1608 01:11:44,679 --> 01:11:48,040 development um department for putting 1609 01:11:46,440 --> 01:11:49,600 together these amendments I think it was 1610 01:11:48,040 --> 01:11:51,800 definitely their best interpretation of 1611 01:11:49,600 --> 01:11:53,920 how to respond uh to address the quum 1612 01:11:51,800 --> 01:11:56,000 issues but I truly believe in responsive 1613 01:11:53,920 --> 01:11:58,159 government and as we had we've heard 1614 01:11:56,000 --> 01:11:59,920 from individuals that are uh serving in 1615 01:11:58,159 --> 01:12:02,639 these capacities saying hey can you 1616 01:11:59,920 --> 01:12:04,960 pause and and 1617 01:12:02,639 --> 01:12:07,080 reidentifying with that if there are 1618 01:12:04,960 --> 01:12:09,800 applications that haven't been processed 1619 01:12:07,080 --> 01:12:12,280 or if there is hesitancy on on um the 1620 01:12:09,800 --> 01:12:15,320 approving agency's part I think can we 1621 01:12:12,280 --> 01:12:17,760 discuss having a criteria uh where what 1622 01:12:15,320 --> 01:12:19,800 are the Baseline considerations expected 1623 01:12:17,760 --> 01:12:22,040 for a candidate and I think in similar 1624 01:12:19,800 --> 01:12:23,639 fashion to how uh Chief Marino and the 1625 01:12:22,040 --> 01:12:26,199 police dep and the fire department 1626 01:12:23,639 --> 01:12:27,880 excuse me have uh identified a base 1627 01:12:26,199 --> 01:12:29,719 level exportation and they'll train you 1628 01:12:27,880 --> 01:12:31,960 the rest of the way can we have a 1629 01:12:29,719 --> 01:12:34,679 baseline exportation that evaluates time 1630 01:12:31,960 --> 01:12:36,880 served to help bridge some of those uh 1631 01:12:34,679 --> 01:12:39,560 uh gaps if you say and having like a 1632 01:12:36,880 --> 01:12:41,320 true candidate um but definitely we had 1633 01:12:39,560 --> 01:12:43,679 some of these similar concerns with the 1634 01:12:41,320 --> 01:12:47,719 cprb and I think today it's been the 1635 01:12:43,679 --> 01:12:51,159 most uh staff so far so I I agree uh if 1636 01:12:47,719 --> 01:12:54,560 there have been historic vacancies uh I 1637 01:12:51,159 --> 01:12:56,080 think it is not uh um uncustomary of us 1638 01:12:54,560 --> 01:12:59,719 to pause and see if there's ways we can 1639 01:12:56,080 --> 01:13:01,600 just re-evaluate ways to just boost um 1640 01:12:59,719 --> 01:13:04,040 participation but also in the right way 1641 01:13:01,600 --> 01:13:07,320 where we're not uh taking expenses at 1642 01:13:04,040 --> 01:13:07,320 just quality candid coming 1643 01:13:08,880 --> 01:13:14,639 for put your hand up are you no okay yes 1644 01:13:12,400 --> 01:13:17,120 Miss Patrick well I think Mr Farley has 1645 01:13:14,639 --> 01:13:18,679 okay Mr far certainly so I would just I 1646 01:13:17,120 --> 01:13:20,960 guess something I think we 1647 01:13:18,679 --> 01:13:22,320 should probably don't talk about enough 1648 01:13:20,960 --> 01:13:24,040 which I think that we have to uh 1649 01:13:22,320 --> 01:13:25,840 demonstrate the curage to address when 1650 01:13:24,040 --> 01:13:27,800 anytime we talk about it board positions 1651 01:13:25,840 --> 01:13:30,760 I think that you 1652 01:13:27,800 --> 01:13:33,360 know maintaining 1653 01:13:30,760 --> 01:13:35,840 um a larger board I think gives more 1654 01:13:33,360 --> 01:13:38,199 people opportunity and gives us a better 1655 01:13:35,840 --> 01:13:40,719 opportunity to have a more diverse and 1656 01:13:38,199 --> 01:13:42,600 inclusive uh board voice and I think 1657 01:13:40,719 --> 01:13:43,800 that so that's something that we have 1658 01:13:42,600 --> 01:13:45,520 council members no matter what we're 1659 01:13:43,800 --> 01:13:47,800 doing any decision we're making we 1660 01:13:45,520 --> 01:13:50,600 should be looking through an equitable 1661 01:13:47,800 --> 01:13:53,400 lens and you know I would love to invite 1662 01:13:50,600 --> 01:13:53,400 my colleagues to kind 1663 01:13:53,639 --> 01:13:58,360 of be raise that point a little more 1664 01:13:56,400 --> 01:14:00,199 often um because it's something I think 1665 01:13:58,360 --> 01:14:02,120 that is something that's the expectation 1666 01:14:00,199 --> 01:14:04,000 of the people of our community that um 1667 01:14:02,120 --> 01:14:06,440 we represent that we uh make sure that 1668 01:14:04,000 --> 01:14:09,040 we're being as inclusive and and all of 1669 01:14:06,440 --> 01:14:11,000 these um volunteer pay whatever the 1670 01:14:09,040 --> 01:14:12,560 situation of the board is that we set it 1671 01:14:11,000 --> 01:14:15,520 up in a way that gives us the greatest 1672 01:14:12,560 --> 01:14:17,880 chance to uh be more inclusive and to be 1673 01:14:15,520 --> 01:14:19,239 equable M Patrick I was just wondering 1674 01:14:17,880 --> 01:14:22,040 if there were other I mean there's a lot 1675 01:14:19,239 --> 01:14:23,600 of changes in here that's just one uh 1676 01:14:22,040 --> 01:14:25,520 that's being recommended so I just 1677 01:14:23,600 --> 01:14:27,760 wanted to see if there were other I mean 1678 01:14:25,520 --> 01:14:30,960 this is there's a lot in here so I 1679 01:14:27,760 --> 01:14:33,040 didn't know if we wanted to summary um I 1680 01:14:30,960 --> 01:14:36,120 know that particular staff person isn't 1681 01:14:33,040 --> 01:14:38,840 here tonight but 1682 01:14:36,120 --> 01:14:42,960 um we gave a summary already of all the 1683 01:14:38,840 --> 01:14:45,679 changes we pres the city C so so they 1684 01:14:42,960 --> 01:14:47,280 gave the summary and the only and then 1685 01:14:45,679 --> 01:14:48,280 there was the public hearing so the only 1686 01:14:47,280 --> 01:14:50,159 thing that came out of the public 1687 01:14:48,280 --> 01:14:52,239 hearing and that was reviewed by 1688 01:14:50,159 --> 01:14:55,239 everyone you know who had interest in it 1689 01:14:52,239 --> 01:14:59,520 and that was the only um concern and and 1690 01:14:55,239 --> 01:14:59,520 change that was that was requested 1691 01:15:00,080 --> 01:15:05,440 okay yes do we know anything about in 1692 01:15:02,840 --> 01:15:08,000 regard to the bylaws if if there are 1693 01:15:05,440 --> 01:15:11,159 members that are passing consistently 1694 01:15:08,000 --> 01:15:13,360 where they can maybe be discharged and 1695 01:15:11,159 --> 01:15:15,679 bring out a new member um and maybe 1696 01:15:13,360 --> 01:15:18,679 keeping a number a little bit smaller 1697 01:15:15,679 --> 01:15:21,560 but we move people quicker for not 1698 01:15:18,679 --> 01:15:23,880 showing up you know my the only concern 1699 01:15:21,560 --> 01:15:26,719 I have is is that there's not a quum so 1700 01:15:23,880 --> 01:15:29,760 there's a lot of time time being wasted 1701 01:15:26,719 --> 01:15:31,480 so I'm wondering if they have um I think 1702 01:15:29,760 --> 01:15:34,080 um we looked at that before in another 1703 01:15:31,480 --> 01:15:36,960 board that if somebody isn't showing 1704 01:15:34,080 --> 01:15:40,159 that we can move move them and then 1705 01:15:36,960 --> 01:15:42,360 bring on another candidate I don't know 1706 01:15:40,159 --> 01:15:43,920 if the bylaws address it or not I'm not 1707 01:15:42,360 --> 01:15:47,080 sure I can get back to 1708 01:15:43,920 --> 01:15:49,440 you what you see is is what what you 1709 01:15:47,080 --> 01:15:52,120 that's that's the the operating 1710 01:15:49,440 --> 01:15:54,239 structure you made some changes to the 1711 01:15:52,120 --> 01:15:58,840 board of assessment review earlier this 1712 01:15:54,239 --> 01:16:01,760 yearing attendance issues was the to to 1713 01:15:58,840 --> 01:16:05,120 amend the attendance and they were being 1714 01:16:01,760 --> 01:16:08,360 paid uh so there is there are no bylaws 1715 01:16:05,120 --> 01:16:10,000 um regarding that and based on the 1716 01:16:08,360 --> 01:16:12,199 information we received it said that 1717 01:16:10,000 --> 01:16:15,280 they uh had to vote unanimously it 1718 01:16:12,199 --> 01:16:16,679 didn't say that nothing passed that so 1719 01:16:15,280 --> 01:16:19,120 so what ended up happening the four 1720 01:16:16,679 --> 01:16:22,440 people were there and the four people 1721 01:16:19,120 --> 01:16:24,080 unanimous bu on it so it was if if there 1722 01:16:22,440 --> 01:16:25,560 had been three people that said yes and 1723 01:16:24,080 --> 01:16:28,239 one person said no that would have been 1724 01:16:25,560 --> 01:16:29,520 a problem but so far that hasn't been 1725 01:16:28,239 --> 01:16:32,159 the 1726 01:16:29,520 --> 01:16:33,400 problem so which to me again speaks to 1727 01:16:32,159 --> 01:16:35,880 the fact that you should have more 1728 01:16:33,400 --> 01:16:40,080 opportunity a bigger pool to choose from 1729 01:16:35,880 --> 01:16:42,600 to lessen the um possibility of having a 1730 01:16:40,080 --> 01:16:42,600 not having a 1731 01:16:43,440 --> 01:16:51,280 COR so the the uh it's on page 63 and 1732 01:16:47,880 --> 01:16:55,239 item uh number one article 1733 01:16:51,280 --> 01:16:57,360 10 uh membership 1734 01:16:55,239 --> 01:17:00,719 so the way it's being proposed is that 1735 01:16:57,360 --> 01:17:02,520 it should it go down to five and then 1736 01:17:00,719 --> 01:17:05,440 one alternate member to serve in the 1737 01:17:02,520 --> 01:17:05,440 absence of a 1738 01:17:07,480 --> 01:17:13,520 member and Mr O'Brien the one alternate 1739 01:17:11,040 --> 01:17:15,199 member was an addition when when you 1740 01:17:13,520 --> 01:17:17,639 change when it was the requested was to 1741 01:17:15,199 --> 01:17:19,639 change it from 5 to 7 7 to five you 1742 01:17:17,639 --> 01:17:22,120 would just want to keep the seven 1743 01:17:19,639 --> 01:17:25,639 everything else uh leave the 1744 01:17:22,120 --> 01:17:27,560 same yes that's that's what 1745 01:17:25,639 --> 01:17:29,960 consensus of the council just change the 1746 01:17:27,560 --> 01:17:34,000 board you know keep keep it in other 1747 01:17:29,960 --> 01:17:36,880 words the draft is amended but the 1748 01:17:34,000 --> 01:17:39,679 actual code is not because the code is 1749 01:17:36,880 --> 01:17:41,800 not the code is decreased the amendment 1750 01:17:39,679 --> 01:17:44,960 is asking for a decrease but you don't 1751 01:17:41,800 --> 01:17:48,159 want want to do that so just the uh 1752 01:17:44,960 --> 01:17:50,960 proposed uh legislation just has to be 1753 01:17:48,159 --> 01:17:54,880 amended to reflect seven instead of five 1754 01:17:50,960 --> 01:17:57,120 yes membership is that the is that the 1755 01:17:54,880 --> 01:18:00,320 any other change regarding that that's 1756 01:17:57,120 --> 01:18:02,639 that you're all good with that okay yes 1757 01:18:00,320 --> 01:18:04,600 so we just change the draft for it to be 1758 01:18:02,639 --> 01:18:06,040 said sure I don't know that that this is 1759 01:18:04,600 --> 01:18:07,840 something that need to be addressed in 1760 01:18:06,040 --> 01:18:10,560 this but I think it should just be noted 1761 01:18:07,840 --> 01:18:12,679 that cuz I I heard you say at least to 1762 01:18:10,560 --> 01:18:14,520 the end of the year to see and then make 1763 01:18:12,679 --> 01:18:16,679 could revisit something like that I 1764 01:18:14,520 --> 01:18:18,040 think that that's a good I don't know 1765 01:18:16,679 --> 01:18:19,760 that that needs to be in the amendment 1766 01:18:18,040 --> 01:18:24,400 right but just it's 1767 01:18:19,760 --> 01:18:27,000 just always say corre at any time you 1768 01:18:24,400 --> 01:18:28,440 can just saying for clarity expectation 1769 01:18:27,000 --> 01:18:29,880 transparency purposes I think it should 1770 01:18:28,440 --> 01:18:32,760 be 1771 01:18:29,880 --> 01:18:36,360 so would you pass 1772 01:18:32,760 --> 01:18:39,360 uh resolution excuse me a a motion 1773 01:18:36,360 --> 01:18:43,040 tonight to amend the uh proposal to 1774 01:18:39,360 --> 01:18:48,120 reflect the uh number to remain at seven 1775 01:18:43,040 --> 01:18:50,560 out than five yes and then the coun then 1776 01:18:48,120 --> 01:18:52,880 ordinance has proposed to go before the 1777 01:18:50,560 --> 01:18:54,080 Council next Monday right well that has 1778 01:18:52,880 --> 01:18:58,400 to pass out the committee that means 1779 01:18:54,080 --> 01:19:01,560 that Miss I'm okay I'll move it um but 1780 01:18:58,400 --> 01:19:03,679 go ahead so so if we stay with seven the 1781 01:19:01,560 --> 01:19:06,600 the stipulation one alternative member 1782 01:19:03,679 --> 01:19:06,600 that's removed 1783 01:19:07,199 --> 01:19:15,520 yes membership will be uned right right 1784 01:19:12,520 --> 01:19:17,159 and I just um do want to like and I 1785 01:19:15,520 --> 01:19:18,520 guess you talked to the mayor's office 1786 01:19:17,159 --> 01:19:21,400 about this to make sure the applications 1787 01:19:18,520 --> 01:19:23,880 that are there um would they be in your 1788 01:19:21,400 --> 01:19:25,600 office the applications that are have 1789 01:19:23,880 --> 01:19:28,480 been submitted would they be with your 1790 01:19:25,600 --> 01:19:30,320 office at this point uh that's my 1791 01:19:28,480 --> 01:19:32,360 understanding okay so if we could just 1792 01:19:30,320 --> 01:19:35,040 make sure that um if the council you 1793 01:19:32,360 --> 01:19:36,600 know if you're if they're acceptable to 1794 01:19:35,040 --> 01:19:39,239 you that you would move this forward 1795 01:19:36,600 --> 01:19:41,760 because then then that would that allow 1796 01:19:39,239 --> 01:19:43,000 them to have the Quorum and not be in 1797 01:19:41,760 --> 01:19:45,280 the same situation have the same 1798 01:19:43,000 --> 01:19:47,000 conversation mon from now and so the 1799 01:19:45,280 --> 01:19:49,360 council was going to reduce the number I 1800 01:19:47,000 --> 01:19:52,080 wasn't looking to over staff the board 1801 01:19:49,360 --> 01:19:56,600 and oh you 1802 01:19:52,080 --> 01:20:00,440 were oh okay 1803 01:19:56,600 --> 01:20:03,239 well so I'm not um looking to we looking 1804 01:20:00,440 --> 01:20:06,520 to leave it at 7 1805 01:20:03,239 --> 01:20:09,040 okay so I will put in a motion to accept 1806 01:20:06,520 --> 01:20:12,320 this um with that one change of leaving 1807 01:20:09,040 --> 01:20:17,320 it at 7 and taking out the um alternate 1808 01:20:12,320 --> 01:20:20,320 so that's article 10 section A 1 a so 1809 01:20:17,320 --> 01:20:23,360 otherwise we accept the other the other 1810 01:20:20,320 --> 01:20:26,840 changes as uh indicated by 1811 01:20:23,360 --> 01:20:30,080 our I'll second that all those in favor 1812 01:20:26,840 --> 01:20:30,080 I I thank 1813 01:20:30,920 --> 01:20:35,400 you uh the next item on the agenda is 1814 01:20:33,719 --> 01:20:37,440 the review regarding amendments to the 1815 01:20:35,400 --> 01:20:39,639 connec zoning ordinance relating to the 1816 01:20:37,440 --> 01:20:41,840 Hamilton Hill development plan also 1817 01:20:39,639 --> 01:20:44,800 referred to as connect 40 project in the 1818 01:20:41,840 --> 01:20:48,000 area of Albany page State and SKC Street 1819 01:20:44,800 --> 01:20:50,040 the public hearing was on the 24th of 1820 01:20:48,000 --> 01:20:53,159 June uh 1821 01:20:50,040 --> 01:20:54,760 so we uh had the public hearing actually 1822 01:20:53,159 --> 01:20:58,000 no one came to speak of public hearing 1823 01:20:54,760 --> 01:21:02,080 hearing and what is before you now is um 1824 01:20:58,000 --> 01:21:04,960 that we would have to um pass the uh 1825 01:21:02,080 --> 01:21:07,639 those amendments to the zoning and we it 1826 01:21:04,960 --> 01:21:09,800 was unanimously um the Planning 1827 01:21:07,639 --> 01:21:12,239 Commission approved the resoning 1828 01:21:09,800 --> 01:21:15,920 unanimously any questions or comments or 1829 01:21:12,239 --> 01:21:18,159 is there someone here to speak to 1830 01:21:15,920 --> 01:21:20,360 this I'm always available but I think 1831 01:21:18,159 --> 01:21:23,400 we've said it 1832 01:21:20,360 --> 01:21:24,960 all does anyone have any questions we 1833 01:21:23,400 --> 01:21:26,280 have our team here if anyone question 1834 01:21:24,960 --> 01:21:29,719 any does anyone have any questions 1835 01:21:26,280 --> 01:21:31,360 regarding that okay then I guess you can 1836 01:21:29,719 --> 01:21:34,000 save the 1837 01:21:31,360 --> 01:21:36,440 speed all right I'll motion I'll move it 1838 01:21:34,000 --> 01:21:40,320 I'll second all those in favor I I thank 1839 01:21:36,440 --> 01:21:44,400 you um the next item on the agenda is 1840 01:21:40,320 --> 01:21:46,679 for the um city council to De declar le 1841 01:21:44,400 --> 01:21:48,920 Agency for a 1842 01:21:46,679 --> 01:21:50,679 Seeker um for the same project the 1843 01:21:48,920 --> 01:21:52,719 Hamilton Hill Redevelopment plan zoning 1844 01:21:50,679 --> 01:21:56,400 change for skin 1845 01:21:52,719 --> 01:22:02,159 40 any questions would you 1846 01:21:56,400 --> 01:22:04,760 anything okay see it's not 1847 01:22:02,159 --> 01:22:08,239 deare the negative 1848 01:22:04,760 --> 01:22:09,960 declaration is there something Mr no 1849 01:22:08,239 --> 01:22:12,480 negative 1850 01:22:09,960 --> 01:22:15,320 declaration I'll move it I'll second all 1851 01:22:12,480 --> 01:22:17,560 in favor I I thank 1852 01:22:15,320 --> 01:22:20,040 you actually the mayor's name was on 1853 01:22:17,560 --> 01:22:20,040 that sorry 1854 01:22:20,159 --> 01:22:25,199 mayor your name was on I apologize did 1855 01:22:23,199 --> 01:22:27,000 you have something you want to say 1856 01:22:25,199 --> 01:22:29,120 no it's at this point I think it's all 1857 01:22:27,000 --> 01:22:32,880 proor put a lot of time and effort in 1858 01:22:29,120 --> 01:22:35,920 this and I'm glad it's coming to a 1859 01:22:32,880 --> 01:22:39,159 conclusion great thank 1860 01:22:35,920 --> 01:22:41,120 you uh the next item on the agenda is to 1861 01:22:39,159 --> 01:22:43,600 revisit the discussion about producing 1862 01:22:41,120 --> 01:22:45,679 the city's speed limit to 25 mph and 1863 01:22:43,600 --> 01:22:48,199 other safety traffic measures Miss 1864 01:22:45,679 --> 01:22:50,960 Patrick yes well I just wanted to uh 1865 01:22:48,199 --> 01:22:52,880 bring this back forward again um I think 1866 01:22:50,960 --> 01:22:56,040 we need to be able to move forward on 1867 01:22:52,880 --> 01:22:59,239 some of this um we've heard from various 1868 01:22:56,040 --> 01:23:01,960 residents um about the concern about 1869 01:22:59,239 --> 01:23:04,040 speeding and other types of uh traffic 1870 01:23:01,960 --> 01:23:06,639 infractions that have been happening uh 1871 01:23:04,040 --> 01:23:09,280 the concerns that I brought up last time 1872 01:23:06,639 --> 01:23:12,520 uh had to do with um how we would go 1873 01:23:09,280 --> 01:23:14,440 about uh educating how we would go about 1874 01:23:12,520 --> 01:23:17,639 with uh making sure that we were 1875 01:23:14,440 --> 01:23:21,960 enforcing um again I think we need staff 1876 01:23:17,639 --> 01:23:26,880 to be able to um talk with us about um 1877 01:23:21,960 --> 01:23:28,960 which streets would be uh 2 M an hour um 1878 01:23:26,880 --> 01:23:30,840 I because there are some streets that we 1879 01:23:28,960 --> 01:23:34,239 know we wouldn't want to put down to 25 1880 01:23:30,840 --> 01:23:36,239 M hour but as we've said over and over 1881 01:23:34,239 --> 01:23:38,480 again for the last few years in bringing 1882 01:23:36,239 --> 01:23:40,880 this forward um even Bringing Down the 1883 01:23:38,480 --> 01:23:43,800 speed limit from 30 to 25 there's 1884 01:23:40,880 --> 01:23:46,920 research that shows um that that has an 1885 01:23:43,800 --> 01:23:50,560 impact on pedestrian safety for sure um 1886 01:23:46,920 --> 01:23:53,040 I think we've heard from um I think you 1887 01:23:50,560 --> 01:23:55,840 know Chief Clifford's not here but I've 1888 01:23:53,040 --> 01:23:57,679 heard from um a couple of U members of 1889 01:23:55,840 --> 01:23:59,560 our Police Department that if we were to 1890 01:23:57,679 --> 01:24:02,440 lower the speed limit then we could at 1891 01:23:59,560 --> 01:24:04,880 least know that people might go 30 uh 1892 01:24:02,440 --> 01:24:06,760 instead of 25 um it gives them a little 1893 01:24:04,880 --> 01:24:12,199 bit more flexibility in terms of being 1894 01:24:06,760 --> 01:24:14,600 able to um issue tickets um so I just I 1895 01:24:12,199 --> 01:24:17,000 I you know I don't know the next step um 1896 01:24:14,600 --> 01:24:19,320 I think um obviously there'd be some 1897 01:24:17,000 --> 01:24:23,120 budgetary issues in terms of changing 1898 01:24:19,320 --> 01:24:26,239 the um the signage um again the signage 1899 01:24:23,120 --> 01:24:27,880 is primarily um at entranceways to the 1900 01:24:26,239 --> 01:24:31,480 city 1901 01:24:27,880 --> 01:24:34,800 um so I leave it open for folks to chime 1902 01:24:31,480 --> 01:24:36,080 in here but see what other people feel 1903 01:24:34,800 --> 01:24:39,440 um well the last time we talked about 1904 01:24:36,080 --> 01:24:41,960 this um we uh we asked that Chief 1905 01:24:39,440 --> 01:24:44,719 Clifford Mr Canon and 1906 01:24:41,960 --> 01:24:48,000 uh Chris Wallen is now gone to talk 1907 01:24:44,719 --> 01:24:51,960 about this so I I agree that we need to 1908 01:24:48,000 --> 01:24:54,600 do that um the there was an accident 1909 01:24:51,960 --> 01:24:56,040 that happened last August I think all of 1910 01:24:54,600 --> 01:24:57,360 you may have know about that at this 1911 01:24:56,040 --> 01:24:58,520 point in time where a woman was 1912 01:24:57,360 --> 01:25:02,800 seriously 1913 01:24:58,520 --> 01:25:04,320 injured and um I mean a traumatic brain 1914 01:25:02,800 --> 01:25:06,440 injury and 1915 01:25:04,320 --> 01:25:07,920 so there's definitely a problem with 1916 01:25:06,440 --> 01:25:09,280 speeding I think we've all seen it we 1917 01:25:07,920 --> 01:25:11,639 didn't have to wait for an accident to 1918 01:25:09,280 --> 01:25:12,800 see it we've all seen it I also 1919 01:25:11,639 --> 01:25:14,280 understand that there's only certain 1920 01:25:12,800 --> 01:25:16,040 there's certain street that that we 1921 01:25:14,280 --> 01:25:18,199 can't apply this to but we would 1922 01:25:16,040 --> 01:25:23,320 definitely need to hear um again from Mr 1923 01:25:18,199 --> 01:25:25,880 Wallen and from Mr Canon Mr yeah Mr 1924 01:25:23,320 --> 01:25:28,119 Canon who I guess the fine person U he 1925 01:25:25,880 --> 01:25:32,480 replaced John kucho and uh Chief 1926 01:25:28,119 --> 01:25:34,080 Clifford but I don't know how we um can 1927 01:25:32,480 --> 01:25:36,520 get that 1928 01:25:34,080 --> 01:25:38,159 accommodated to have them here so we can 1929 01:25:36,520 --> 01:25:39,440 you know hear what needs to be done and 1930 01:25:38,159 --> 01:25:41,679 then move 1931 01:25:39,440 --> 01:25:43,960 forward get it scheduled and get them 1932 01:25:41,679 --> 01:25:46,639 here with an appropriate presentation 1933 01:25:43,960 --> 01:25:50,280 okay so for the next committee meeting 1934 01:25:46,639 --> 01:25:52,360 quite possible their calendar July's a 1935 01:25:50,280 --> 01:25:55,920 little bit harder with some vacation I 1936 01:25:52,360 --> 01:25:59,000 tentatively say yes cancel 1937 01:25:55,920 --> 01:26:01,239 vacations the city council controls the 1938 01:25:59,000 --> 01:26:03,199 terms and conditions of employment so if 1939 01:26:01,239 --> 01:26:05,360 you want to do a resolution canceling 1940 01:26:03,199 --> 01:26:08,159 vacation I don't think they'll be very 1941 01:26:05,360 --> 01:26:09,920 popular resolution I I just wanted to 1942 01:26:08,159 --> 01:26:11,679 point out that um we do have a resident 1943 01:26:09,920 --> 01:26:13,679 here this evening who did give us um 1944 01:26:11,679 --> 01:26:16,920 some additional information about lower 1945 01:26:13,679 --> 01:26:19,520 speed limit so I appreciate that um it's 1946 01:26:16,920 --> 01:26:22,239 information that uh came to my attention 1947 01:26:19,520 --> 01:26:24,320 a couple of years ago um I support the 1948 01:26:22,239 --> 01:26:25,560 the information that that's in there um 1949 01:26:24,320 --> 01:26:27,800 so I hope that everybody will take a 1950 01:26:25,560 --> 01:26:29,280 chance take a moment to to to look at 1951 01:26:27,800 --> 01:26:31,119 that and we have other residents here 1952 01:26:29,280 --> 01:26:34,159 this evening as well who have come 1953 01:26:31,119 --> 01:26:37,600 continuously to our Council asking us to 1954 01:26:34,159 --> 01:26:42,080 move forward um with trying to you know 1955 01:26:37,600 --> 01:26:43,760 Implement some change so um I think 1956 01:26:42,080 --> 01:26:46,400 especially as we when we move into the 1957 01:26:43,760 --> 01:26:49,320 budget season it's clear that we will 1958 01:26:46,400 --> 01:26:51,400 have some budget implications of this um 1959 01:26:49,320 --> 01:26:52,880 in terms of do we need additional stop 1960 01:26:51,400 --> 01:26:55,600 signs do we 1961 01:26:52,880 --> 01:26:57,639 want to to think about you know what 1962 01:26:55,600 --> 01:27:00,159 happens with cameras on stop lights and 1963 01:26:57,639 --> 01:27:02,440 whether tickets get automatically um 1964 01:27:00,159 --> 01:27:03,679 issued if someone goes through a redl 1965 01:27:02,440 --> 01:27:05,440 for example I mean that was something 1966 01:27:03,679 --> 01:27:07,960 that Mr PA manyy brought up when he was 1967 01:27:05,440 --> 01:27:10,440 on Council so some of this has 1968 01:27:07,960 --> 01:27:13,000 implications budget wise and we would 1969 01:27:10,440 --> 01:27:16,400 have to care for staff um regarding 1970 01:27:13,000 --> 01:27:18,560 those kinds of things yes and also I'm 1971 01:27:16,400 --> 01:27:20,080 going to say 5 years ago I think I 1972 01:27:18,560 --> 01:27:22,360 presented something to for us to get 1973 01:27:20,080 --> 01:27:24,440 speed hunts which took 3 years and then 1974 01:27:22,360 --> 01:27:26,600 we only had it as a demonstration 1975 01:27:24,440 --> 01:27:29,639 project on one street so we definitely 1976 01:27:26,600 --> 01:27:32,920 need to look at traffic calming measures 1977 01:27:29,639 --> 01:27:35,960 um to to make sure that um that we 1978 01:27:32,920 --> 01:27:37,159 address this problem so um if if and I 1979 01:27:35,960 --> 01:27:38,159 don't even know where those speed humps 1980 01:27:37,159 --> 01:27:41,000 are now because they didn't come back 1981 01:27:38,159 --> 01:27:43,320 out again this summer I have no idea so 1982 01:27:41,000 --> 01:27:45,239 we definitely have to do that and but in 1983 01:27:43,320 --> 01:27:47,400 addition to all of the things that we 1984 01:27:45,239 --> 01:27:49,360 passed we have like implementation and 1985 01:27:47,400 --> 01:27:52,719 enforcement is going to be a huge part 1986 01:27:49,360 --> 01:27:55,320 of this whole process yes yes M and I do 1987 01:27:52,719 --> 01:27:57,719 want to say um was expressing this to a 1988 01:27:55,320 --> 01:27:59,840 resident that called today but um I've 1989 01:27:57,719 --> 01:28:01,920 really racked my brains um I know this 1990 01:27:59,840 --> 01:28:03,679 is going to sound really wacky but I 1991 01:28:01,920 --> 01:28:06,920 mean one of the ideas that I have is 1992 01:28:03,679 --> 01:28:09,600 whether we could approach um something 1993 01:28:06,920 --> 01:28:13,360 like AAA to see if you know they would 1994 01:28:09,600 --> 01:28:16,679 offer um a free defensive driving course 1995 01:28:13,360 --> 01:28:18,159 to Residents who um you know I I don't 1996 01:28:16,679 --> 01:28:20,679 know I mean all of this would have to be 1997 01:28:18,159 --> 01:28:23,360 worked out in terms of a program but I 1998 01:28:20,679 --> 01:28:25,480 know I myself did that during Co when we 1999 01:28:23,360 --> 01:28:27,719 were stuck in home home you know before 2000 01:28:25,480 --> 01:28:29,760 vaccination time I took that defensive 2001 01:28:27,719 --> 01:28:32,600 driving again for the second time in my 2002 01:28:29,760 --> 01:28:35,360 life and um I know that it has 2003 01:28:32,600 --> 01:28:37,520 influenced my behavior um as I drive 2004 01:28:35,360 --> 01:28:39,199 around the city and um you know I would 2005 01:28:37,520 --> 01:28:41,360 hope that that might have an impact as 2006 01:28:39,199 --> 01:28:45,239 well so we have to try to come up with 2007 01:28:41,360 --> 01:28:47,800 some other creative uh ways to the the 2008 01:28:45,239 --> 01:28:50,400 behavior issue I feel is just so 2009 01:28:47,800 --> 01:28:53,440 fundamental uh I encourage all of you to 2010 01:28:50,400 --> 01:28:55,440 when you leave tonight go drive home 25 2011 01:28:53,440 --> 01:28:56,960 M hour on the streets that you think 2012 01:28:55,440 --> 01:29:00,880 this might happen and you'll see that it 2013 01:28:56,960 --> 01:29:03,679 is difficult to do so um but again I 2014 01:29:00,880 --> 01:29:05,639 mean it's a safety factor that I I I 2015 01:29:03,679 --> 01:29:08,520 really can't discount enough and you'll 2016 01:29:05,639 --> 01:29:10,560 see that um again this is this this 2017 01:29:08,520 --> 01:29:12,119 handout is definitely some of the things 2018 01:29:10,560 --> 01:29:16,239 that I I saw when I was first 2019 01:29:12,119 --> 01:29:18,600 researching this so please uh pay 2020 01:29:16,239 --> 01:29:20,960 attention to this and let's try to um 2021 01:29:18,600 --> 01:29:22,080 you know get the staff here and try to 2022 01:29:20,960 --> 01:29:25,000 come to some 2023 01:29:22,080 --> 01:29:30,880 decisions um about this 2024 01:29:25,000 --> 01:29:30,880 uh Mr Wings so I I 2025 01:29:31,119 --> 01:29:33,960 um I know there are a number of 2026 01:29:32,880 --> 01:29:35,560 residents who are looking at this 2027 01:29:33,960 --> 01:29:37,600 conversation and saying that again this 2028 01:29:35,560 --> 01:29:39,080 is an item that's been talked about and 2029 01:29:37,600 --> 01:29:41,719 talked about and talked about and no 2030 01:29:39,080 --> 01:29:43,560 action has been conducted and to them I 2031 01:29:41,719 --> 01:29:46,400 would just like to ask for their 2032 01:29:43,560 --> 01:29:48,400 contined patience um I think I always 2033 01:29:46,400 --> 01:29:50,600 appreciate a light light Baner 2034 01:29:48,400 --> 01:29:53,560 especially kind of referencing the the 2035 01:29:50,600 --> 01:29:54,679 budget season um but with all sincerity 2036 01:29:53,560 --> 01:29:57,679 this is 2037 01:29:54,679 --> 01:30:01,080 a a a a dire issue that we need to 2038 01:29:57,679 --> 01:30:03,119 address um I need to miss um Patrick's 2039 01:30:01,080 --> 01:30:06,760 Point I don't think we're short of ideas 2040 01:30:03,119 --> 01:30:09,159 it's just selecting one um I'm glad that 2041 01:30:06,760 --> 01:30:11,320 we've expanded from the singular focus 2042 01:30:09,159 --> 01:30:12,600 of uh this item with addressing just in 2043 01:30:11,320 --> 01:30:15,320 governements in general and I think we 2044 01:30:12,600 --> 01:30:18,040 truly need to have a comprehensive 2045 01:30:15,320 --> 01:30:19,719 approach for the entire city uh even in 2046 01:30:18,040 --> 01:30:23,560 separate facets but for my entire 2047 01:30:19,719 --> 01:30:24,880 Council um career that highlighted just 2048 01:30:23,560 --> 01:30:27,080 neighbor hoods throughout the city that 2049 01:30:24,880 --> 01:30:29,080 are experiencing this to varying degrees 2050 01:30:27,080 --> 01:30:32,280 um but but collectively as a city we 2051 01:30:29,080 --> 01:30:33,960 need to respond and again if that is 2052 01:30:32,280 --> 01:30:36,159 waiting for the conversation to have the 2053 01:30:33,960 --> 01:30:39,560 proper uh agents and agencies to speak 2054 01:30:36,159 --> 01:30:41,920 to this I I I uh I yield to that um but 2055 01:30:39,560 --> 01:30:44,280 very much I correct me if I'm wrong 2056 01:30:41,920 --> 01:30:46,199 anyone at the table I think we do not 2057 01:30:44,280 --> 01:30:49,320 need to experience a fatality to 2058 01:30:46,199 --> 01:30:51,199 understand the severity of this and uh I 2059 01:30:49,320 --> 01:30:52,960 I appreciate the individuals throughout 2060 01:30:51,199 --> 01:30:56,679 the city who are taking the time to 2061 01:30:52,960 --> 01:30:59,239 adhere proactively to being uh slower in 2062 01:30:56,679 --> 01:31:00,880 their vehicles um but we are addressing 2063 01:30:59,239 --> 01:31:03,159 individuals that are taking a less of 2064 01:31:00,880 --> 01:31:06,119 regard for it um so again it is our 2065 01:31:03,159 --> 01:31:08,159 responsibility to hold individuals uh 2066 01:31:06,119 --> 01:31:10,560 accountable for helping us identify the 2067 01:31:08,159 --> 01:31:12,280 proper solution we have had measures in 2068 01:31:10,560 --> 01:31:14,639 place referencing the speed humps that 2069 01:31:12,280 --> 01:31:17,840 have been indicated that they had a had 2070 01:31:14,639 --> 01:31:20,040 a a positive impact um but again we just 2071 01:31:17,840 --> 01:31:23,199 need to respond and then hold that 2072 01:31:20,040 --> 01:31:25,679 response year in and year out um in 2073 01:31:23,199 --> 01:31:29,199 order 2074 01:31:25,679 --> 01:31:31,320 this yes Mr Mr far we has his hand up 2075 01:31:29,199 --> 01:31:33,000 yeah so I'll try to be brief as I can I 2076 01:31:31,320 --> 01:31:34,760 think this is has there's been some 2077 01:31:33,000 --> 01:31:36,360 learning for me in this cuz initially I 2078 01:31:34,760 --> 01:31:37,800 was just like okay yeah we keep talking 2079 01:31:36,360 --> 01:31:40,000 this why AR we just doing something but 2080 01:31:37,800 --> 01:31:41,679 I think that now recognizing you know 2081 01:31:40,000 --> 01:31:44,239 what steps have to be in place and for 2082 01:31:41,679 --> 01:31:45,880 us to make an informed decision I will 2083 01:31:44,239 --> 01:31:47,760 second what Mr Williams kind of thrs 2084 01:31:45,880 --> 01:31:49,719 around like it we need to make sure that 2085 01:31:47,760 --> 01:31:52,800 we're doing this in a way that's smart 2086 01:31:49,719 --> 01:31:54,840 that has an impact on why I guess then 2087 01:31:52,800 --> 01:31:57,840 my other question you know we're kind of 2088 01:31:54,840 --> 01:31:59,679 wering if you will is what can we do in 2089 01:31:57,840 --> 01:32:02,080 the meantime because I feel like you 2090 01:31:59,679 --> 01:32:04,239 know I know we talked about uh you said 2091 01:32:02,080 --> 01:32:06,040 some speed humps that were out that we 2092 01:32:04,239 --> 01:32:09,920 might have in possession of the city are 2093 01:32:06,040 --> 01:32:12,199 there things that where we can as we are 2094 01:32:09,920 --> 01:32:13,760 going through the process are there you 2095 01:32:12,199 --> 01:32:15,280 know as we go through the kind of the 2096 01:32:13,760 --> 01:32:18,280 graduated interventions are there things 2097 01:32:15,280 --> 01:32:20,280 that we can do along the way um as far 2098 01:32:18,280 --> 01:32:22,639 as uh you know maybe bringing out 2099 01:32:20,280 --> 01:32:24,719 whatever speed humps that we have um and 2100 01:32:22,639 --> 01:32:26,840 putting those in um um the areas that 2101 01:32:24,719 --> 01:32:29,239 have been identified to be you know kind 2102 01:32:26,840 --> 01:32:31,880 of those more high-risk areas um is 2103 01:32:29,239 --> 01:32:33,280 there um signage that we have that we 2104 01:32:31,880 --> 01:32:36,360 can kind of post up so I'm just welc 2105 01:32:33,280 --> 01:32:39,880 like like what are some of those 2106 01:32:36,360 --> 01:32:42,239 more measured responses as we wait to 2107 01:32:39,880 --> 01:32:44,199 get to kind of that larger response um 2108 01:32:42,239 --> 01:32:45,760 and if there are those I would just 2109 01:32:44,199 --> 01:32:47,040 encourage us to at least do those things 2110 01:32:45,760 --> 01:32:50,840 like I don't know exactly what all of 2111 01:32:47,040 --> 01:32:54,560 those are yes well for example we have 2112 01:32:50,840 --> 01:32:56,520 um we have like the digital uh you know 2113 01:32:54,560 --> 01:32:59,960 sign like the one you at high school you 2114 01:32:56,520 --> 01:33:01,800 know if you're coming up um is it Mullen 2115 01:32:59,960 --> 01:33:03,880 um you know that kind of thing where I 2116 01:33:01,800 --> 01:33:06,679 mean again I would think that when 2117 01:33:03,880 --> 01:33:08,440 people see what their speed is and what 2118 01:33:06,679 --> 01:33:10,159 the speed is supposed to be hopefully 2119 01:33:08,440 --> 01:33:12,040 that would make them so we have you know 2120 01:33:10,159 --> 01:33:14,280 that that's one type of traffic calming 2121 01:33:12,040 --> 01:33:16,920 measure that that also could could 2122 01:33:14,280 --> 01:33:19,560 happen um we did I just wanted to point 2123 01:33:16,920 --> 01:33:22,280 out publicly that we did get the home 2124 01:33:19,560 --> 01:33:25,080 rule legislation passed in August of 2125 01:33:22,280 --> 01:33:28,199 2022 so that we move forward with doing 2126 01:33:25,080 --> 01:33:30,920 this um changing the speed limit so that 2127 01:33:28,199 --> 01:33:33,159 piece is in place 2128 01:33:30,920 --> 01:33:35,239 um and then otherwise I think we need to 2129 01:33:33,159 --> 01:33:37,040 hear from staff on some of these other 2130 01:33:35,239 --> 01:33:41,280 items I would agree we definitely have 2131 01:33:37,040 --> 01:33:43,960 to hear from staff but I um because I 2132 01:33:41,280 --> 01:33:46,119 would I would um say to council members 2133 01:33:43,960 --> 01:33:47,760 forward your questions to the clerk's 2134 01:33:46,119 --> 01:33:49,920 office so that anything that you want 2135 01:33:47,760 --> 01:33:52,000 staff to consider or talk about in the 2136 01:33:49,920 --> 01:33:54,280 presentation uh that that they would 2137 01:33:52,000 --> 01:33:57,159 have the information prepared ready to 2138 01:33:54,280 --> 01:33:58,880 talk about it at that time and and to Mr 2139 01:33:57,159 --> 01:34:01,080 Char point I think this the staff is 2140 01:33:58,880 --> 01:34:02,679 going to have to be the one who decides 2141 01:34:01,080 --> 01:34:04,760 you know what measures can be taken in 2142 01:34:02,679 --> 01:34:08,080 what steps because you know they do that 2143 01:34:04,760 --> 01:34:09,920 more and also we did do when there was a 2144 01:34:08,080 --> 01:34:12,480 situation on King's Road they did 2145 01:34:09,920 --> 01:34:15,400 Implement some things in addition to 2146 01:34:12,480 --> 01:34:18,560 that some of the stop signs where it has 2147 01:34:15,400 --> 01:34:20,440 the light that uh like light has extra 2148 01:34:18,560 --> 01:34:21,719 lights on it so there have been some 2149 01:34:20,440 --> 01:34:25,400 things that have been implemented but 2150 01:34:21,719 --> 01:34:27,960 clearly we need to do more so we yes Mr 2151 01:34:25,400 --> 01:34:29,520 Toro um I did know it stop signs all on 2152 01:34:27,960 --> 01:34:31,480 Eastern Avenue as well there now there's 2153 01:34:29,520 --> 01:34:35,480 red reflection tape on the bottom of the 2154 01:34:31,480 --> 01:34:37,239 stop saw that too so kind of brings them 2155 01:34:35,480 --> 01:34:39,639 right out I mean maybe not everyone can 2156 01:34:37,239 --> 01:34:43,080 have every sign can have the 2157 01:34:39,639 --> 01:34:44,560 uh right but um yeah so there are 2158 01:34:43,080 --> 01:34:47,239 different meth you know different 2159 01:34:44,560 --> 01:34:50,080 methods to catch our attention yes 2160 01:34:47,239 --> 01:34:52,679 you're right but again once everyone 2161 01:34:50,080 --> 01:34:54,800 gets here and um we can come up with a 2162 01:34:52,679 --> 01:34:57,520 plan and I it's a good idea that we do 2163 01:34:54,800 --> 01:34:59,360 send our questions to to the clerk so 2164 01:34:57,520 --> 01:35:01,679 that at least when they get here they'll 2165 01:34:59,360 --> 01:35:03,320 know what what you know a lot of our our 2166 01:35:01,679 --> 01:35:04,719 concerns are probably all the same 2167 01:35:03,320 --> 01:35:08,400 because we hear the same thing from 2168 01:35:04,719 --> 01:35:11,840 everyone throughout so and I think the 2169 01:35:08,400 --> 01:35:14,360 for that maybe um like what kind of data 2170 01:35:11,840 --> 01:35:17,679 would we have like time of day accidents 2171 01:35:14,360 --> 01:35:20,560 tickets issued the most complaints so 2172 01:35:17,679 --> 01:35:23,800 like like you talked about yeah The Hot 2173 01:35:20,560 --> 01:35:26,840 Zone yeah we have all that we've had 2174 01:35:23,800 --> 01:35:28,239 that presentation actually even also so 2175 01:35:26,840 --> 01:35:29,520 we could probably ask for that's one of 2176 01:35:28,239 --> 01:35:31,880 the questions we can make sure the data 2177 01:35:29,520 --> 01:35:34,639 is up to date from when of the last time 2178 01:35:31,880 --> 01:35:37,119 we had prev so at this point in time we 2179 01:35:34,639 --> 01:35:38,960 bring this back in two weeks and again 2180 01:35:37,119 --> 01:35:40,080 submit any of your questions concerns to 2181 01:35:38,960 --> 01:35:42,400 the clerk's office so they can be 2182 01:35:40,080 --> 01:35:44,040 forwarded to the appropriate staff so 2183 01:35:42,400 --> 01:35:46,080 when they come they can answer those 2184 01:35:44,040 --> 01:35:48,679 questions thank you for bringing forward 2185 01:35:46,080 --> 01:35:48,679 Miss Miss 2186 01:35:48,920 --> 01:35:54,280 P all right 2187 01:35:51,520 --> 01:35:57,280 um the next item is discussion 2188 01:35:54,280 --> 01:36:00,679 the form during City Council meetings at 2189 01:35:57,280 --> 01:36:03,320 the last committee meeting I asked that 2190 01:36:00,679 --> 01:36:05,880 we add one thing to um the current rules 2191 01:36:03,320 --> 01:36:09,679 of the Forum that being that if the 2192 01:36:05,880 --> 01:36:12,520 individual um s the would state that by 2193 01:36:09,679 --> 01:36:15,840 signing this I agree to adhere to her 2194 01:36:12,520 --> 01:36:18,000 abide by um the rules of the Quorum and 2195 01:36:15,840 --> 01:36:19,880 so miss uh Miss barage said that she 2196 01:36:18,000 --> 01:36:22,040 wanted to look at whether or not that 2197 01:36:19,880 --> 01:36:27,080 was something that we could legally um 2198 01:36:22,040 --> 01:36:29,280 do and so so um I'll just let her she 2199 01:36:27,080 --> 01:36:32,880 present some case law which all of you 2200 01:36:29,280 --> 01:36:37,040 should have a copy of and I'll just let 2201 01:36:32,880 --> 01:36:41,400 her present um what her opinion on that 2202 01:36:37,040 --> 01:36:44,280 is thank you madam president um as the 2203 01:36:41,400 --> 01:36:47,239 chair uh you have you are the one who 2204 01:36:44,280 --> 01:36:50,000 can run the meeting so you can enforce 2205 01:36:47,239 --> 01:36:53,000 uh the rules that you would like to 2206 01:36:50,000 --> 01:36:53,000 enforce 2207 01:36:54,600 --> 01:36:59,480 um I provided you with case law for our 2208 01:36:57,440 --> 01:37:02,880 discussion and if you have further 2209 01:36:59,480 --> 01:37:05,800 questions you can present them so based 2210 01:37:02,880 --> 01:37:08,320 on the case law um the case law really 2211 01:37:05,800 --> 01:37:11,679 talked a lot about um violating people's 2212 01:37:08,320 --> 01:37:13,920 Fifth Amendment rights and I don't see 2213 01:37:11,679 --> 01:37:15,600 um asking people to say that I'll hear 2214 01:37:13,920 --> 01:37:18,960 by the rules is violating their Fifth 2215 01:37:15,600 --> 01:37:21,440 Amendment rights in any way so um for me 2216 01:37:18,960 --> 01:37:22,719 it's I say that we you know I want to I 2217 01:37:21,440 --> 01:37:25,800 would like to move forward so that it's 2218 01:37:22,719 --> 01:37:27,920 there that a person signs it and says I 2219 01:37:25,800 --> 01:37:29,520 I'm willing to go by these rules I don't 2220 01:37:27,920 --> 01:37:32,360 see where there's a violation of the 2221 01:37:29,520 --> 01:37:35,920 person's First Amendment 2222 01:37:32,360 --> 01:37:39,199 um right so unless you I just don't see 2223 01:37:35,920 --> 01:37:41,679 it in there Mr far oh no that's so I was 2224 01:37:39,199 --> 01:37:44,840 asking Corporation Council do you feel 2225 01:37:41,679 --> 01:37:46,520 that that we can get into that uh space 2226 01:37:44,840 --> 01:37:48,599 of violing someone's rights by acing 2227 01:37:46,520 --> 01:37:51,280 them to sign that or just trying to see 2228 01:37:48,599 --> 01:37:54,080 what your opinion is on that um I've not 2229 01:37:51,280 --> 01:37:56,480 I've never provided an opinion that 2230 01:37:54,080 --> 01:37:59,239 uh it's a violation of the rights V 2231 01:37:56,480 --> 01:38:03,080 rights um it's up to a judge If This 2232 01:37:59,239 --> 01:38:07,920 Were if someone were to accuse the city 2233 01:38:03,080 --> 01:38:10,679 of that uh it's not up to me so it's 2234 01:38:07,920 --> 01:38:12,280 possible but there's the potential that 2235 01:38:10,679 --> 01:38:16,760 someone 2236 01:38:12,280 --> 01:38:18,719 would uh try to make that clean I'm not 2237 01:38:16,760 --> 01:38:20,840 providing an opinion on whether they 2238 01:38:18,719 --> 01:38:23,679 would win or 2239 01:38:20,840 --> 01:38:27,119 not because it's up to a judge or a jury 2240 01:38:23,679 --> 01:38:27,119 at the end of the day not to 2241 01:38:27,760 --> 01:38:35,960 me did you have did you have a 2242 01:38:31,000 --> 01:38:40,760 hand anyone else so our question 2243 01:38:35,960 --> 01:38:43,679 is when they sign in there's the rules 2244 01:38:40,760 --> 01:38:45,760 of um the cor the Corum that they're 2245 01:38:43,679 --> 01:38:47,040 going to follow that is what we're 2246 01:38:45,760 --> 01:38:50,239 asking him and if it's your 2247 01:38:47,040 --> 01:38:52,199 interpretation as the if they violate 2248 01:38:50,239 --> 01:38:54,080 that and you can that's currently 2249 01:38:52,199 --> 01:38:55,639 already like that yeah yeah that's 2250 01:38:54,080 --> 01:38:57,880 that's already there if someone starts 2251 01:38:55,639 --> 01:38:59,679 to swear you've seen it and like you 2252 01:38:57,880 --> 01:39:01,520 know then they get stopped this is 2253 01:38:59,679 --> 01:39:04,679 simply saying that I'm willing to do 2254 01:39:01,520 --> 01:39:08,639 that that's I think it's already implied 2255 01:39:04,679 --> 01:39:08,639 but I'd like to see it just added to 2256 01:39:09,679 --> 01:39:13,480 that yes Miss Patrick and again I think 2257 01:39:11,920 --> 01:39:15,440 what we talked about at the last meeting 2258 01:39:13,480 --> 01:39:16,800 was that it could be at the top of the 2259 01:39:15,440 --> 01:39:18,119 there could be a statement at the top of 2260 01:39:16,800 --> 01:39:20,480 the signning 2261 01:39:18,119 --> 01:39:21,880 sheet that indicates this is what you're 2262 01:39:20,480 --> 01:39:24,320 signing you 2263 01:39:21,880 --> 01:39:25,960 know I don't know the language that we 2264 01:39:24,320 --> 01:39:27,560 used but I'm just saying once they sign 2265 01:39:25,960 --> 01:39:29,000 their name onto that signin sheet it 2266 01:39:27,560 --> 01:39:31,599 would mean that they were agreeing to 2267 01:39:29,000 --> 01:39:34,320 whatever was at the top of the 2268 01:39:31,599 --> 01:39:37,000 sheet and so and that's what I'd like to 2269 01:39:34,320 --> 01:39:40,199 and then I do think um that again 2270 01:39:37,000 --> 01:39:43,080 council president maintains that order 2271 01:39:40,199 --> 01:39:47,080 um by virtue of I mean announcing what 2272 01:39:43,080 --> 01:39:50,920 the rules are um and then keeping 2273 01:39:47,080 --> 01:39:54,440 people to task um as they speak which 2274 01:39:50,920 --> 01:39:56,360 you know you do do 2275 01:39:54,440 --> 01:39:59,119 so I just would like to add that to the 2276 01:39:56,360 --> 01:40:03,040 to the rules of the form just 2277 01:39:59,119 --> 01:40:03,040 so it's there and people are 2278 01:40:03,480 --> 01:40:08,520 clear Mr Williams um so I would say I 2279 01:40:06,960 --> 01:40:10,960 definitely don't see an issue with that 2280 01:40:08,520 --> 01:40:13,599 I'm not an attorney or practicing law 2281 01:40:10,960 --> 01:40:16,199 nor what I want to um but definitely 2282 01:40:13,599 --> 01:40:18,119 it's identified as privilege of the so 2283 01:40:16,199 --> 01:40:20,560 to me that sounds like there is a a 2284 01:40:18,119 --> 01:40:22,920 shared understanding of what it is you 2285 01:40:20,560 --> 01:40:23,920 need to fulfill to have this ability to 2286 01:40:22,920 --> 01:40:27,560 speak 2287 01:40:23,920 --> 01:40:29,560 um I think just uh lining up or or 2288 01:40:27,560 --> 01:40:31,560 having the written justification I think 2289 01:40:29,560 --> 01:40:32,880 looks beyond the individual that's 2290 01:40:31,560 --> 01:40:35,280 currently in the seat but provides that 2291 01:40:32,880 --> 01:40:37,639 justification because in instances there 2292 01:40:35,280 --> 01:40:39,360 have been individuals that challenge 2293 01:40:37,639 --> 01:40:40,639 what is not written and it should not 2294 01:40:39,360 --> 01:40:42,040 have to be up to interpretation it 2295 01:40:40,639 --> 01:40:46,159 should be something that is again 2296 01:40:42,040 --> 01:40:48,320 written so we can reference um for all 2297 01:40:46,159 --> 01:40:51,400 Clarity within 2298 01:40:48,320 --> 01:40:53,520 reason I'm sorry within 2299 01:40:51,400 --> 01:40:55,760 reason may I haven't had a chance to 2300 01:40:53,520 --> 01:40:59,000 read these documents 2301 01:40:55,760 --> 01:41:02,440 then okay yes so we can wait until the 2302 01:40:59,000 --> 01:41:04,280 next cycle um but I again to me that um 2303 01:41:02,440 --> 01:41:06,360 these documents don't address what my 2304 01:41:04,280 --> 01:41:10,639 question was and was my question was 2305 01:41:06,360 --> 01:41:12,840 simply a statement of saying if I if I 2306 01:41:10,639 --> 01:41:15,480 sign this by signing this I will adhere 2307 01:41:12,840 --> 01:41:17,560 to these rules and these documents speak 2308 01:41:15,480 --> 01:41:18,880 a lot to um people's strength amend 2309 01:41:17,560 --> 01:41:22,000 being 2310 01:41:18,880 --> 01:41:23,880 violated I think just again I'm just 2311 01:41:22,000 --> 01:41:25,960 briefly looking at the case some in this 2312 01:41:23,880 --> 01:41:27,760 one and the last sentence there does say 2313 01:41:25,960 --> 01:41:29,880 the First Amendment did not protect 2314 01:41:27,760 --> 01:41:32,040 defendant's right to discuss irrelevant 2315 01:41:29,880 --> 01:41:34,199 topics at the meeting so yeah and which 2316 01:41:32,040 --> 01:41:36,760 is already in there we we kind of say 2317 01:41:34,199 --> 01:41:40,719 that in in terms of the public 2318 01:41:36,760 --> 01:41:44,520 hearing yeah I would just say I think 2319 01:41:40,719 --> 01:41:46,560 um the reality is no matter what it says 2320 01:41:44,520 --> 01:41:50,159 on on paper our expectations and our 2321 01:41:46,560 --> 01:41:52,360 rules I my my very very very very 2322 01:41:50,159 --> 01:41:53,840 limited scope of understanding um to 2323 01:41:52,360 --> 01:41:55,400 this 2324 01:41:53,840 --> 01:41:59,239 how I understand it would be that 2325 01:41:55,400 --> 01:42:01,800 someone's uh uh first their First 2326 01:41:59,239 --> 01:42:04,800 Amendment right will supersede any real 2327 01:42:01,800 --> 01:42:06,760 expectation that we um have for them 2328 01:42:04,800 --> 01:42:09,480 anyway I believe that that would be the 2329 01:42:06,760 --> 01:42:12,880 kind of the final say on that but again 2330 01:42:09,480 --> 01:42:14,760 so I'm completely okay with I think what 2331 01:42:12,880 --> 01:42:16,960 you're uh kind of bringing forward is 2332 01:42:14,760 --> 01:42:18,599 saying that there's a clear 2333 01:42:16,960 --> 01:42:19,760 understanding and not just an implied 2334 01:42:18,599 --> 01:42:22,360 understanding of what people sign which 2335 01:42:19,760 --> 01:42:24,000 I think is really good um again though I 2336 01:42:22,360 --> 01:42:25,480 would just be really defer to 2337 01:42:24,000 --> 01:42:28,119 Corporation counsel if they have any 2338 01:42:25,480 --> 01:42:29,800 reservations around that I would welcome 2339 01:42:28,119 --> 01:42:30,679 that and we should probably you know I 2340 01:42:29,800 --> 01:42:32,800 that would be something that I would 2341 01:42:30,679 --> 01:42:37,159 want to take into a strong 2342 01:42:32,800 --> 01:42:40,760 consideration I think since the uh chair 2343 01:42:37,159 --> 01:42:44,860 already um can call someone out of order 2344 01:42:40,760 --> 01:42:47,040 and runs the meeting is an unnecessary 2345 01:42:44,860 --> 01:42:49,239 [Music] 2346 01:42:47,040 --> 01:42:51,199 addition I'd like to say there I think 2347 01:42:49,239 --> 01:42:54,080 it's necessary it states for people 2348 01:42:51,199 --> 01:42:57,280 exactly what's there and just spells it 2349 01:42:54,080 --> 01:43:00,040 out no questions asked and and I would 2350 01:42:57,280 --> 01:43:03,000 still go over the rules Etc but I don't 2351 01:43:00,040 --> 01:43:04,400 think that um just stating letting 2352 01:43:03,000 --> 01:43:05,840 people know that I'm willing to adhere 2353 01:43:04,400 --> 01:43:08,719 to this 2354 01:43:05,840 --> 01:43:11,719 is unnecessary I think it's quite 2355 01:43:08,719 --> 01:43:13,320 necessary quite frankly based on some of 2356 01:43:11,719 --> 01:43:16,119 the 2357 01:43:13,320 --> 01:43:17,360 uh meetings we've had and going forward 2358 01:43:16,119 --> 01:43:18,960 so that people understand that the 2359 01:43:17,360 --> 01:43:21,360 reason that we even had the rules of the 2360 01:43:18,960 --> 01:43:23,520 form to begin with a couple years ago 2361 01:43:21,360 --> 01:43:25,760 was because it was just getting a little 2362 01:43:23,520 --> 01:43:27,639 a little dicey so that's why we came up 2363 01:43:25,760 --> 01:43:29,360 with a B so I'd like to see that on 2364 01:43:27,639 --> 01:43:31,920 there and I'd like to um be able to work 2365 01:43:29,360 --> 01:43:34,360 with Corporation counsel for us to have 2366 01:43:31,920 --> 01:43:35,960 appropriate language that just spells it 2367 01:43:34,360 --> 01:43:39,560 out like that and being able to bring 2368 01:43:35,960 --> 01:43:43,119 that back into it Mr oh is your hand 2369 01:43:39,560 --> 01:43:45,639 up I think well I'll make a comment I'll 2370 01:43:43,119 --> 01:43:47,760 prer to the councilman it's councilman 2371 01:43:45,639 --> 01:43:50,599 well no I think we just have to 2372 01:43:47,760 --> 01:43:53,760 recognize that there will be risks there 2373 01:43:50,599 --> 01:43:56,440 will be risks of you know um getting 2374 01:43:53,760 --> 01:43:58,880 suit it sounds like or getting having to 2375 01:43:56,440 --> 01:44:01,280 you know be brought to Fort um so we 2376 01:43:58,880 --> 01:44:04,320 have to understand those risks if we 2377 01:44:01,280 --> 01:44:05,960 decide to move forward with that I might 2378 01:44:04,320 --> 01:44:07,360 I know you're not making an opinion that 2379 01:44:05,960 --> 01:44:08,800 it would be up to a judge but that's 2380 01:44:07,360 --> 01:44:11,280 what I'm hearing in other words of 2381 01:44:08,800 --> 01:44:14,119 course anybody could bring us to court 2382 01:44:11,280 --> 01:44:16,360 if they wanted to everything a risk yeah 2383 01:44:14,119 --> 01:44:19,440 so I just wanted to say that publicly 2384 01:44:16,360 --> 01:44:22,400 that a risk 100% And there's a risk with 2385 01:44:19,440 --> 01:44:24,320 almost anything that we have to do yes 2386 01:44:22,400 --> 01:44:25,639 Mr fary yeah and just for clarity my 2387 01:44:24,320 --> 01:44:27,000 question would you know wouldn't 2388 01:44:25,639 --> 01:44:28,920 necessarily be about whether it's 2389 01:44:27,000 --> 01:44:31,599 necessary or not I think that that's 2390 01:44:28,920 --> 01:44:33,320 well within the um real house of the 2391 01:44:31,599 --> 01:44:34,239 council and and to experience the 2392 01:44:33,320 --> 01:44:36,599 meetings whether you think it's 2393 01:44:34,239 --> 01:44:38,159 necessary or not my question is is more 2394 01:44:36,599 --> 01:44:40,239 along the lines of because it makes 2395 01:44:38,159 --> 01:44:42,119 reasonable sense to me I would support 2396 01:44:40,239 --> 01:44:43,840 it but I want to make sure that we're 2397 01:44:42,119 --> 01:44:45,719 deferring to Corporation counsel to make 2398 01:44:43,840 --> 01:44:48,040 sure that we are in you know legal 2399 01:44:45,719 --> 01:44:50,040 parameters and minimizing the likelihood 2400 01:44:48,040 --> 01:44:52,840 of Us ending up in a situation that we 2401 01:44:50,040 --> 01:44:53,679 don't need to be so that was really M 2402 01:44:52,840 --> 01:44:57,159 May 2403 01:44:53,679 --> 01:45:00,239 yeah what's your end goal you put the 2404 01:44:57,159 --> 01:45:02,800 rules down which people already know or 2405 01:45:00,239 --> 01:45:04,320 should know somebody violates it what 2406 01:45:02,800 --> 01:45:07,239 are you looking to 2407 01:45:04,320 --> 01:45:08,920 do my own goal is to well already when 2408 01:45:07,239 --> 01:45:10,800 people violate it I tell them my my goal 2409 01:45:08,920 --> 01:45:14,400 is just to state for people in the very 2410 01:45:10,800 --> 01:45:16,320 beginning that we our expectation of you 2411 01:45:14,400 --> 01:45:19,159 is that you will go cool by the slides 2412 01:45:16,320 --> 01:45:20,599 that's it so and I don't and again I 2413 01:45:19,159 --> 01:45:22,360 don't I don't find you don't need the 2414 01:45:20,599 --> 01:45:25,159 corporation counsel or any other staff 2415 01:45:22,360 --> 01:45:27,960 to do it prerogative have the clerk put 2416 01:45:25,159 --> 01:45:31,760 it on the list put it there and we're 2417 01:45:27,960 --> 01:45:33,280 done with it know it's the end becomes 2418 01:45:31,760 --> 01:45:35,800 what do you do do you rule somebody out 2419 01:45:33,280 --> 01:45:38,159 of order do you recess the meeting 2420 01:45:35,800 --> 01:45:40,520 sergeant-at-arms you bring the police in 2421 01:45:38,159 --> 01:45:44,119 we can remove somebody if they're really 2422 01:45:40,520 --> 01:45:46,320 uh totally out of line that seem to be 2423 01:45:44,119 --> 01:45:48,080 overly complicating something solely 2424 01:45:46,320 --> 01:45:49,599 within the barog of the organizational 2425 01:45:48,080 --> 01:45:51,760 structure of the BS Office of the 2426 01:45:49,599 --> 01:45:53,599 council president well that's what I 2427 01:45:51,760 --> 01:45:56,440 thought the last meeting how Corporation 2428 01:45:53,599 --> 01:46:00,400 Council said that we need to have a 2429 01:45:56,440 --> 01:46:04,400 legal um opinion on it do you seem going 2430 01:46:00,400 --> 01:46:07,400 clear I was very clear I don't mean 2431 01:46:04,400 --> 01:46:07,400 in 2432 01:46:07,800 --> 01:46:11,400 okay I think there would have to be some 2433 01:46:10,080 --> 01:46:13,040 consequence though I think that's what 2434 01:46:11,400 --> 01:46:15,239 the mayor is asking so I mean when I 2435 01:46:13,040 --> 01:46:17,159 look at um again I've only briefly 2436 01:46:15,239 --> 01:46:18,920 looked at this but it looks like we 2437 01:46:17,159 --> 01:46:21,560 would be saying okay someone will be 2438 01:46:18,920 --> 01:46:23,159 removing this person from our Chambers 2439 01:46:21,560 --> 01:46:27,320 and Roberts rules the borders cover a 2440 01:46:23,159 --> 01:46:30,880 lot which the way the council um 28 of 2441 01:46:27,320 --> 01:46:33,000 the code explains that uh Robert's rules 2442 01:46:30,880 --> 01:46:34,719 are what we abide by unless it's 2443 01:46:33,000 --> 01:46:38,000 otherwise so Robert's Rules covers 2444 01:46:34,719 --> 01:46:39,599 covers those things yes yes Mr fary and 2445 01:46:38,000 --> 01:46:42,199 I I would just say that this might not 2446 01:46:39,599 --> 01:46:44,760 be um I I don't see this necessarily as 2447 01:46:42,199 --> 01:46:46,639 a reactive thing this can kind of be a 2448 01:46:44,760 --> 01:46:48,679 proactive thing that reduces the 2449 01:46:46,639 --> 01:46:50,280 likelihood of us getting to that place 2450 01:46:48,679 --> 01:46:52,159 right so where people understand that 2451 01:46:50,280 --> 01:46:53,760 when you sign up you know you're not 2452 01:46:52,159 --> 01:46:55,239 just signing your name to speak on this 2453 01:46:53,760 --> 01:46:57,080 list you're signing your name to speak 2454 01:46:55,239 --> 01:46:58,320 on this list and there is a shared 2455 01:46:57,080 --> 01:47:00,320 understanding of how wom will conduct 2456 01:46:58,320 --> 01:47:01,679 themselves by speaking in this way and 2457 01:47:00,320 --> 01:47:04,599 this and if that's clearest among them 2458 01:47:01,679 --> 01:47:06,520 they're less likely to to make his point 2459 01:47:04,599 --> 01:47:07,679 to get way out of line and I think so 2460 01:47:06,520 --> 01:47:09,480 that there are things that have in 2461 01:47:07,679 --> 01:47:11,239 placed to address the people do that 2462 01:47:09,480 --> 01:47:13,159 behavior I think that this is a pretty 2463 01:47:11,239 --> 01:47:15,639 lowrisk way as long as it's 2464 01:47:13,159 --> 01:47:19,080 constitutionally sound a lowrisk way to 2465 01:47:15,639 --> 01:47:22,599 um uh minimize the rest of that 2466 01:47:19,080 --> 01:47:27,400 happen so B with the mar say we can just 2467 01:47:22,599 --> 01:47:29,440 um do that through the council so 2468 01:47:27,400 --> 01:47:32,199 willing to I still would want I would um 2469 01:47:29,440 --> 01:47:33,480 pass the language just to make sure if 2470 01:47:32,199 --> 01:47:36,480 Corporation Council is over with me to 2471 01:47:33,480 --> 01:47:38,239 make sure but I don't I don't think the 2472 01:47:36,480 --> 01:47:40,159 language that I am actually submitted 2473 01:47:38,239 --> 01:47:41,599 did not but just basically said you'll 2474 01:47:40,159 --> 01:47:44,119 abide by the source 2475 01:47:41,599 --> 01:47:46,400 so we will have that ready for the next 2476 01:47:44,119 --> 01:47:48,639 council 2477 01:47:46,400 --> 01:47:51,400 meeting any other questions or further 2478 01:47:48,639 --> 01:47:51,400 discussion on this 2479 01:47:51,440 --> 01:47:58,599 topic okay the last two items are for 2480 01:47:55,000 --> 01:48:00,119 executive session and um and then we 2481 01:47:58,599 --> 01:48:04,000 have to also bring back the discussion 2482 01:48:00,119 --> 01:48:05,360 of the water bikes so um I'll make a mo 2483 01:48:04,000 --> 01:48:08,400 I'll look for a motion go executive 2484 01:48:05,360 --> 01:48:11,400 session to talk about property sales and 2485 01:48:08,400 --> 01:48:14,719 also um the contract for the water bike 2486 01:48:11,400 --> 01:48:17,119 rental services I'll second all in favor 2487 01:48:14,719 --> 01:48:20,920 I so in executive session and members of 2488 01:48:17,119 --> 01:48:20,920 the public will have to leave 2489 01:48:30,980 --> 01:48:41,960 [Music] 2490 01:48:39,800 --> 01:48:41,960 what