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I'd like to call to ord connected city
council committee meeting for
Monday July 1st and mayor
oh sorry
sorry thank
you
thanks thank you
want to reconvene the uh s the urban
renewal
agency uh have one item before us
tonight the appointment a uh Contracting
officer is required state law and then
would in the next cycle entertain
modifications to the
bylaws so that council president has
some issues on that staff has some
issues to like other things to bring up
to date along with this one particular
component so at this point I for the
intern would entertain a motion to
appoint Alexander Carver as the
Contracting officer for
Surah mve
by Patrick have a second seconded
by Toro all in favor I I any oppos
resolution carries uh five six I two abs
anything else to come before the
agency entertain a motion to adjourn
Some Mo have a second second all in
favor I any opposed agency stands
journ um first I'd like to order against
connected city council committee meeting
for Monday July 1st and the first
committee is health and
Recreation yes hi um like to um call to
order health and Recreation our first it
we have two items on the agenda this
evening the first item um is presented
by Mr Williams it's a ceremonial
resolution recognizing the youth
auxiliary group called Al tari court
number 28 Mr willians thank you so I
think it's always a nice uh recognition
for us to pause and just acknowledge the
accomplishments of some of our youth
within the city um so as you can read in
our packet uh they they took the the
pleasure of placing second in a recent
competition Down Louisiana and then in
addition to having their drill team come
and do a mini drill for us the next
Monday at all things uh work with their
planning uh again I think it's nice to
just U to just acknowledge and just
appreciate the uh the achievements of
our our younger individuals in the
community excellent so um we
we need a motion to to do so that's for
motion okay dor second you me and all in
favor I okay sorry about
that okay the next item is a discussion
a continued discussion of Central Park
swimming pool fees hours and security um
I put some materials in your packets um
it was a lot to send out so I decided to
just bring uh this evening and I would
ask that people review it um what I did
was look at our um missa Guilderland and
Colony uh to look at what their fees are
as well as their uh pool rules um
there's some there's some things that
are consistent and others that aren't um
so I wanted to have a little bit of a
discussion about this
um Miss Yuna has uh three separate
Seasons to their pool um and they also
have um on their uh site they talk about
rules for if swim meets are were going
to happen um they have season
passes um as does
um as does the uh the Guilderland Town
pool um and actually all three have
season rates um and they're different
between uh the rates very depending on
whether how old a child is whether
somebody's a senior whether it's an
adult um so this is a lot of information
I think we may have to um take a look at
it and come back again um I'm hoping to
have a meeting of the health and
Recreation committee as well um before
our next meeting um to review this uh
this information again this is not the
end all be all but it is the um
municipalities that are around us
there's no public pool um that I could
find in Scotia or Glenville so jump in
if I'm wrong there anybody from Scotia
or lenville
but but I think it's really important I
think um what I've heard so far um from
some some folks I've heard concerns that
there's been children in the pool with
diapers um I've heard concerns that
there's been glass um containers in use
um these are things that I don't think
should be happening um so I think we
definitely have to have some rules and
have some posted rules the other side of
that is the enforcement of those rules
so again we have um youth employees uh
that come to us through the Boys and
Girls Club so all of this is are things
that we need to take into consideration
and I'd like to bring up at a health and
Recreation uh meeting um and anyone
would be welcome to attend as well but
um we have to post that uh Etc so I will
get around to doing that as well but
does anybody have any comments or has
anybody else been hearing any concerns
um
Mr so I actually have a question and
probably it would probably be more for
the mayor iny because you mentioned it
Miss Patrick in terms of signage so um
the signage would be separate apart from
the fee thing so are we I know that we
talked about a couple minuts ago about
the signage so will there be signage uh
we don't have to wait till we get
through this process for the signage for
the pool in terms of the rule there was
signage that was put up initially then
some of was modified in the last couple
days that by understanding been put up I
I've been up there to actually see if
it's been up not as of today about 2 o'
I didn't see any there
um and and my other question was
somebody will have a rough War tomorrow
well I hope
not um the other question was in terms
of if we're going to be charging fees we
have to talk about considering how that
Staffing works right now there's a a
person there from the Boys and Girls
Club who is just taking names and ages
we we would have to consider that um the
town of Colones Park they actually have
fobs key fobs for residents um so
residents have to go to town hall to get
the fob
um also it's this idea of residents and
in in all all of these cases a resident
can bring a non-resident guest but it's
not that a non-resident is getting into
the pool without a resident hosting them
um there's also um again you'll see that
uh there could be a limit on the number
of non-residents that a resident can
bring to the pool um so these are all
things that um we have to make decisions
about um okay moving forward so I guess
um I'll try to have a meeting of the
health and Recreation committee I have
to get with the other folks and um we'll
have to come up with recommendations so
I would ask that you review this Mr Rini
did you have a comment I I I would I one
of current rules the Boys and Girls Club
have regards the
and and then possibly you know they
probably have um mechanisms to where a
given membership they they serve many
many youth in their clubs so they may
have existing methods where they maybe
take youth photos or and issue
memberships we can inquire into what
they're currently doing and see if any
of those practices would work and if not
look to some
Alternatives and the Nisa is that for
resident
you know it's for
um this is for residents okay yeah I
thought it was kind of um neat that they
also give their volunteer firefighters
free season passes to the um again they
don't get any compensation but I thought
that was kind of cool as well in
this Sorry Miss guro that's right I'm um
I'm hoping that you can call this
Committee of health and Recreation
committee together as soon as possible I
think it's imperative that we get some
things in order over there um I heard a
lot of things a lot of great things a
lot of things that need addressing um
it's it's definitely a welcomed resource
in our community especially with the
weather we've been having um says a lot
about the fact that people are waiting
to get in there but um there's just a
lot of things that that you know have
been um individuals have approached me
with that that I think need to be
addressed um the second thing is I would
like to see if we can add a senior uh
mornings um a senior special time to
senior swim um I had quite a few emails
and phone calls regarding that so the
pool opens at noon every day from 11: to
12: um you know especially with the
resistance pool there um and a lot of
seniors like to get into the water so um
I'd like to see that uh definitely
moving forward and then you know have a
discussion with the health and
Recreation as far as the other things
that are happening there at the pool
okay well um again our committee is U
myself um M Doro and Mr Farley so I'll
be reaching out to you guys tomorrow um
to try to get that in as soon as
possible so that when we come back
together on July 15th for a committee
meeting um we our committee will make a
recommendation to the the larger Council
does that sound
good okay anybody have any other
thoughts or comments just follow Mr
manini's
comment kind of the standard that the
boys and girls club used in the past is
using this year is the city school
district ID
for uh kids going in so that they use
that accting and as a uh reference for
validating where they live and just who
they
are so I was just thinking that as we
look at this I feel like being that this
with new beautiful thing that we have
happened in City work is again to Mr T
welcome by the
community I still want to get into a
place where we start I still want to
leave some room for us to be responsive
to like what the needs of the community
are so in other words like I think that
there are some rules that are probably
pre-existed the pool when you're in
another location and sometimes it's not
necessary about like implementing new
rules but making sure the ones that are
existing are followed with some level of
fidelity so I would just um as we're
thinking about what we could do at this
schol we want to give ourselves some
some autonomy here to say hey this is
working well for the community and this
isn't and I think that maybe it'd be
wise for us to just know that as we
enter this conversation that this might
be something that comes up again and we
should be expecting to maybe make some
adjustments as it relas to as what we
see come up I'll when I actually I'll
call the boys and girls SP and see what
the current rules um have been because I
haven't done that yet so um I'll do that
before I reached out to them okay yes so
um again you have the rules they have
they're in their
Transit okay great yes I spoke to them
as well and they are going to be sending
that but my understanding there is
already uh something underway for rules
to be developed based on what the mayor
said okay
yes so I'm trying to confirm that the
sign which has been printed should
install I thought was going to
happen last
week I I just I just want to say that
today when I was up at Central Park uh
just walking into the park there was a
young man coming towards me with a towel
around his neck and I said Hey how do
you like that pool and he said oh the
pool's closed and I
said no I don't think the pool's closed
and it turned out he went to the old I
said we have this like incredible new
pool you need to turn around right now
and go back to the pool but uh he he
said it's getting a little late now I
have to go
home so obviously we need to get more
promotion out there about the new pool
as well um so I just want to say I mean
I know that we have these other things
that we need to do but overall to have
the pool there I've been get a lot of
really wonderful feedback there were
lines and not necessarily one people
waiting in the line but there there
people were just excited about it so uh
we'll iron up those details absolutely
no to it's a fantastic thing I'm
thrilled that we have it so Mr Williams
uh just a point of clarification outside
of the lifeguards are there any other
guardians or just oversight figures
there I think the only worry that I have
is who's going to be responsible for
implementing or like reinforcing some of
these rules I think the expectation
shouldn't be for like teenagers or
college students to be calling out
adults for not adhering to the to the
expectations in the pool honey I'll
defer to the mayor but my guess is that
it's the boys and girls club uh
lifeguards that are the people that are
there and I I think we also are going to
have to I mean obviously uh depending on
the age of the child at least when you
when you go through this an adult needs
to be present with children um so one
would hope that you know we would also
um have our parents uh
the following rules as well but
currently the Boys and Girls Club you
have to be um with the rules that
they're using you have to be um if
you're 13 and under or 12 and under so
13 and up you can be on your own but 12
and under you have to be accompanied by
a parent or Guardian that's a little
older than some Mr Williams point the
front line is the staff and boys and
girls park supplemented with
staff par department and the police
department any other
comments okay so I'll call from a motion
to adjourn health and Recreation
Mr second by Mr uh Mr Toro all in favor
I thank you so let call to order the
finance committee we have two items on
the agenda tonight the first of which is
a call for public hearing uh 2024 to
2025 annual action plan allocation
that'll be spoken to by Miss
Carter good evening city council so we
received our annual allocation from HUD
which is roughly 2.1 million
we received 26 applications for this
funding we have posted our proposed
applications have been reviewed and we
have prop we have posted our proposed
allocation um to the website and in the
Daily Gazette we are currently in our
30-day public comment period so today
I'm here asking city council to please
call for a public hearing on July 27th
to discuss those proposed allocations
thank you any questions or comments hear
may have motion so move second I'll
second those in favor hi uh the next
item on agenda is the Continuum of Care
contract with development of Broadway
LLC buiness as District YMCA also this
we have received our HUD allocation for
a Continuum of Care for our 10 Beds
which we partner with the Y MCA here in
skincity which is roughly
$887,000 so today I here asking city
council um to give permission for the
mayor or his deit me to go into contract
with the Y to carry out
this project thank you any other
questions or comments he none I have
motion so moved all those in
favor are there any other items toall
before the finance committee he none we
have a motion to adjourn so move second
all those in favor I we are this moment
I'd like to call together government
operations we have two items on the
agenda today uh first being uh the
renaming City street uh be Village Lane
to Lane Mr Mr wall
hello hello everyone so just a refresher
uh I have the ordinance in front of me
in July of 2021 the city accepted the
ownership of a uh a roadway essentially
an alley behind the liven concy project
on Barrett Street uh and the name that
came with the development was Barrett
Village Lane um you know at the time
there was not much into the name we just
accepted it as is uh in the road with
built to City standards and we move
forward since that time uh I've been
reached out to uh by the family uh who
was around and who will probably speak
in a moment and they have requested that
the city look to uh change the name to
Luigi Lane in uh commemoration of their
grandfather father Uncle friend who
operated uh the Luigi restaurant uh
beginning in 1950 on the former site of
where living connect is um just before I
introduce uh Mike T one of the grand STS
I just wanted to let you know that I did
reach out and speak with the uh property
owners of the uh conglomerate that was
liven connect which is essentially um
you know Dave buo and John roal of
hybrid as this was a uh and uh they did
not have any objections and in fact uh
John Roth uh supported it as he said
that his parents were a good friends of
the legi and Abell and they always had a
uh nice things to say about them and so
I thought that that was nice just also
to let you know um there are no uh
residences on this street typically what
you'll see uh in the city is that we do
ceremonial resolutions uh for s name
change and the reason for that is um to
change the name of a street that has
been in existence for 75 years would
have a very large repercussion on the
residents of that street as there are no
residents on this street as it
essentially is an alley um the naming of
it uh would be actually changed so no
two signs it would be one green sign
sign uh so without that anymore I'd like
to introduce Mike tyno and whoever else
just to talk about and this is a call
for public hearing I understand that
they can come and talk at the public
hearing but I did not want you to have
no information going forward for your um
uh support of this I'm sorry good
evening I just wanted to uh take this
moment to talk about my grandfather and
why this is a viable name change not
just for us but for the city um my
family here and um my grandfather was
the fifth of 11 children born to Luigi
bagil senior and Angelo lazeri he was
born in Pennsylvania while his parents
lived and worked at a logging camp at 2
years old they returned to Italy there
he was only educated until the age of
eight before he had to begin working to
help support his family in 1938 at age
19 upset with fist Italy and the threat
of a war looming he made a difficult
decision to return to the United States
this left this meant leaving behind his
siblings and family that weren't US
citizens he worked as a B in Manhattan
for 4 years before being drafted into
World War II in 1942 where he would
serve in the Pacific after the war he
reunited with many of the siblings and
family who had then relocated his family
he worked at the prestigious van carair
hotel now known as connecting community
colleges eston
Hall he took his wages from the war and
everything he had saved in searched for
a restaurant of his own he looked into
purchasing a restaurant called the
Victoria on North J Street and it was
there that he met my grandmother at Del
Moret the restaurant was owned by my
great-grandfather he used to joke that
he went looking for a restaurant and
ended up finding a wife my grandmother
and her three brothers were born and
raised on North J Street the gateway to
skc's Little Italy in 1950 he purchased
Stella's restaurant around the corner on
Bar Street and renamed it Luigi's after
himself with no formal education but a
work ethic that began as a child he
operated a successful restaurant during
an exuberant period of sc's History
Luigi's was a popular location for not
just the residents and families of the
city but also GE and Alco Executives
Union professors and City officials
through determination dedication and
hard work he made his American dream a
reality he had successful business with
fathers six children 12 grandchildren
had countless friends and was happily
married for 48 years in 1981 he wly sold
the restaurant and retired after doctors
told him that he was literally working
himself to death I'd like to briefly
read a citation from his retirement
ceremony that reiterates and reinforces
some of the information I just
share whereas Luigi bag Jr has recently
retired from the restaurant business and
has many friends have seen it fitting
and proper to honor him at a testimonial
dinner on this 27th day of October 1981
in appreciation of his services to disc
connected community and visions and
whereas Luigi born in wels be
Pennsylvania spent his boyhood in the
hammer of cilia Italy where he learned
his culinary art which he offered to his
native country upon his return from
Italy just before the entry of the
United States in World War II and
whereas although having a language
barrier at the time Luigi attained the
rank of Master Sergeant in the South
Pacific where all the commissioned
officers were killed Luigi was next in
the chain of command and successfully
led the remnants of a battalion of
troops whereas Luigi's success would
made possible because of Luigi's
astuteness and picking Adele as his wife
now be it resolve that I Frank J DUI May
mayor of the city of skak New York site
Luigi bag Jr for his contributions to
his country and the City of skincity and
wish him and Adele many years of
peaceful and happy matrimonial Bliss be
it further resolved that this citation
be presented to Luigi bagioli by my UST
illustrious predecessor former mayor
Malcolm e Ellis who is one of Luigi's
closest
friends uh the name change will be a
positive upgrade from the current street
name and a way to memorialize a small
piece of Sky history was also a fitting
name to the Little Italy Sky
neighborhood I hope I have your support
and this renaming and thank the council
for your time i' especially like to
thank councilwoman Dar Doro and the
mayor for supporting this proposal we
pick on tonight's agenda and the city
engineer Chris Wallen who has given me
his time support and guidance thank you
I think it's always important that
anytime we get a chance to kind of
highlight the legacy of people um our
citizens we should do so especially this
sounds like you know an amazing person
qu who left quite a a large footprint in
the community so I you know any other
questions or com prise around
this so I will Mr well I'd say I'd be
remiss if I didn't say even just taking
aside his military service your
grandfather truly is the representation
of just uh stepping forward and
answering the call I think on top of
that truly he represents the uh the good
nature of the members of our community
and skans and that they are hardworking
tenacious uh very very looking for
handouts willing to do the work and this
truly is a reflection of all that so
excited to see this this really is a is
a nice a nice moment and I look forward
to seeing us in portion thank
you and I just would like to say I'm
also happy to support this and glad we
were able to move forward and U gave me
the opportunity to have reunion with
somebody I went to middle school
with yeah I see some friends out and I
school with as well definitely honoring
him on with your presence today this is
awesome so I would glad gladly accept
the motion for the call public hearing
so moved um second a I'll second that
all those in favor I I okay thank you
thanks again quickly just interject
would you like the family is it
appropriate to the family come to the
public hearing and speak as well should
they that's up to them I
just because I I I didn't talk about
public I just wanted to make sure
because this is kind of on the rec but
public hearing I'll talk to you about it
after you guys kind of put that on there
all right thank you have a good night
thank you
okay next on the agenda for government
operations is a discussion city of SK
Charter Charter regarding change of
operating budget deadlines Mr Mayor
thank you Mr chairman the draft proposal
packet for your
approval this parts of public hearing
and the OB is actually put it on the
ballot this November go before the
voters for change in the charter
um thank you Mr Mayor Mr uh uh Mr
chairman this is um as you know that the
uh there's no Provisions in our current
Charter regarding what happens after
November 1st looking at the charters of
our surrounding cities the city of
Albany the city detoy the city of
Amsterdam they have procedures for for
if something is not adopted and what you
see before you is is the procedure from
the city of Albany but also a tweet from
the city of Amsterdam on how the process
goes forward if the budget is not uh
adopted by the uh the date of November
1st and you see as it goes back it goes
through the entire legislative process
if the budget isn't adopted then the
mayor's proposed budget is is is uh is
adopted if the council
adds amendments if those amendments
aren't
uh done under taken acted upon by
November
10th
um the the honoral force November 10th
and uh if not mayor may v one or more of
the proposed amendments the mayor fails
to act on those proposed amendments then
the budget as amended by the city
council comes the budget and if the if
the budget is if mayor does veto it
honor before November 20th the city
council May override mayor's V all one
more of its proposed amendments the
council overrides the mayor's be in the
city operating budget with any item so
overridden together with any change not
Beed by mayor mayor shall be deemed
adopted and failure by the city council
to act on the mayor's veto by November
20th shall result in the adoption of the
operating budget along with any
amendments not previously veto by the
mayor so there's a process back and
forth was with the councel and the mayor
both going back and forth given the time
to act upon the budget so by November
20th which is around Thanksgiving give
or t the budget process is
complete tax bills can be prepared
Equalization rates Etc all those other
things that have to be done is taken
care of by the end of by the end of you
know November so it goes back and forth
now because we're dealing with changing
the roles and procedures between the
mayor and and the uh and the council
this has to go to a mandatory
referendum amending the city Charter and
it's affecting the roles between the
council and the mayor um and therefore
it's subject to a mandatory
referendum um as the mayor indicated
that in order to get this there has to
be public hearings and and then
eventually adoption by the city council
signed into law by the mayor subject to
referendum this has to go over to the uh
Court of election 60 days before the
general election which
is so just giving you a overview of of
the process um it's really through the
summer um going through the process and
having the public hearings looking at
this final adoption for the we going
going over to the board of elections in
September
3 and that will not affect this year's
budget process but will affect
2025 budget year subse
Years thank you questions comments on
this so tonight you just so tonight
you're just providing this for us to
take a look at it to provide
feedback right and I know you said so
essentially the timeline is would have
to have it to the Board of Elections by
September 5th that's so council could
start to make a call for the public
hearing you could call to the public
hearing on this proposal if you wish to
have the public hearing public hearing
will be on the
22nd according to the uh Municipal home
rule law because the city was connected
has a strong executive mayor with veto
power the mayor has it's mandated to
hold a public hearing uh himself on on
the on the proposal so the council made
to do so and the uh the mayor is
required to do so according to the
municipal home
R um so I'd like to like spend a little
bit more time like looking at it and
um because well I'm just at at first
blush you know when I'm first looking at
it I just need more time to look at it
how to say that and I just wanted to
also just to be clear so I know like
there's three ways to um amend the
charter so we have this one because of
what it is has to be referendum
absolutely okay has to be referendum
because you're dealing with powers the
two
branches and so if we had a call for a
public hearing would the public hearing
would be based on what you're providing
to us tonight is that correct
okay I'm comfortable calling for a
public hearing I mean I I would have to
say that
I don't know about the rest of you but I
had some sleepless nights last year um
in terms of really worried about what
was going to happen if we hadn't passed
the budget by the end of um 2023 and
going into January I was worried about
both
our the functioning of the city our
employees uh security Etc so I think
this is a uh a good idea I think that it
will um Force us as a group to be more
accountable as well um so in terms of
opinion um my opinion would be that this
this is a a good thing for us to be to
be doing so um I don't have a problem
you know it's um calling for the public
hearing but um if we have to wait get
that too that's my two sents yeah Mr
thank you so you know when we received
this last week so I did have a chance to
look it over read it over and made a few
notes I'm very comfortable as well uh
because of the situation that we into
last year even with our tax bills
getting out late um you know residents
were concerned um people were calling
constantly am I going to get a charge so
anyway I I I think it's something that
we really need to
do moving forward as soon as possible
sure president I agree that we
definitely have to put something in
place um I don't necessarily agree that
this as it is written uh because
essentially if we didn't pass the budget
then it would automatically go back to
the mayor's budget I don't um you know
we as a council part of our
responsibility is to pass the budget so
if we have concerns or we want to make
changes if if the if it automatically
goes back to the mayor's budget that any
amendments that we would have had would
necessarily kind of disappear so I'm not
I'm not 100% comfortable that it
automatically goes back to the mayor's
budget I would entertain it going back
to the prior Year's budget which means
that we all have a say and how what the
budget was until we can um work through
any amendments but I wouldn't I wouldn't
automatically um um just defer back to
the to the utive budget VAR by the mayor
so I want to take a little bit more time
to look through that talk um talk to our
Corporation Council about all the things
that are in here just need to be able to
make sure um as we move forward Mr Mayor
again I have to submit it by October 1st
the council has the month of October to
act on not adopted by November
1st last over half century council is
always able to come to some agreement
with the mayor and the council last year
we didn't so I don't
know again this is just codifying
process that eliminates any ambiguity
and puts everybody under a little bit of
pressure I understand
you're ping this to look at it
and there are some changes hopefully get
them out in a day or two to the council
so we can make those changes move ahead
with the public area so it seems like
good thing is that you know throughout
that process which I think we all
learned learned some things and I think
that um you know as somebody who was was
working extremely hard to make sure that
we could kind of meet each other where
we were at and and get a budget pass
which we ultimately did um I think that
the need for this is is is clear and
there's a some consensus among the group
that there's a that that there's a need
here um to president Porter fil's Point
um and kind into what been indicated by
uh Corporation Council that this is
something that really impacts the checks
and balances of how we operate so I
think that um uh careful consideration
is not only a good idea but it's
definitely warranted in this case so I
think that you know we we do that and to
the mayor's point we just do that um uh
as as fast as we can um where we're not
uh impacting the Integrity of of the
process itself so any other thoughts on
that Mr Miss i i would support moving it
to a public hearing I think these
additions put in the necessary
guardrails to avoid what happened last
year so I would be in support of moving
this forward um this clearly is giving
us kind of a timeline that we need to
adhere to so I'm in support of it I
would also kind of rais the point that
to I agree that um about the necessary
guard rails um I think that what this
would do at the level of the text um
will definitely put in place those guard
rails I think that we can uh end up in a
place where we have the same guard rails
and still hold ourselves to that level
of accountability but if there's any
concerns or questions or maybe um some
scenarios that we haven't had
opportunity to play out I think uh in
consultation with uh Corporation Council
um and a research that's going to be
done by as members I think would be a
good thing to do for for something this
nature but good thing that we all agree
that something doesn't happen Mr
Williams and for the sake of commenting
I think you put it accurately he said
careful consideration I think when ever
we can um meet other council members
where they stand with having further
questions or wanting to digest
information I think as long as it
doesn't come at the expense of the
timeline and I think already and I
applaud the mayor for ensuring that this
topic was on our discussion prior to us
entering this upcoming budget season
Corporation Council correct me if I'm
wrong we have time I don't foresee this
exhausting all the time up until
September 5th but I think allowing 2
weeks or or or I think that is more than
appropriate and I do not think that
comes at the expense of us passing this
collectively um but yet again I I think
meeting counsel is where they are regard
regardless the topic again as long as it
doesn't come at the expense of us
passing a set item I don't think that's
an
issue any other comments questions
around
this okay so i' I'd like to to have that
time to take and and bring it back in
two weeks and make the decisions and I'm
just I'm not ready to move it to a
public hearing the way it is based right
here what on the agenda discuss sure I
just was wondering what your concern is
my concern as I stated is that when if
we don't pass the budget that
automatically goes back to the mayor's
budget and then I feel like then we've
kind of given up our shed our
responsibility in terms of putting forth
the budget because no wa to I'm just
saying because then any concerns or any
changes that we want to make would not
take place if it didn't happen like
that and it's a scenario where if if we
went through it last year it kept
getting pushed back to us and kept
pushed back and that if that timeline
plays out then it automatically goes
back to the mayor's budget and I think
that a budget that involves all of us
having say in it is the type of budget
that we want and this in this scenario
it does not work out like that so I want
to look at it and see how we could
change some of this so that the council
does what it is been members are elected
to do which is to help pass up
and we have to have some we have to have
some say on what that budget looks like
if we're going to not just pass
it those are my
concerns so we will have a say in what
gets passed because of the timeline um I
also want to not to bring up arguments
from last year but again I think we need
to understand that our department heads
work very closely with their expertise
and their their experience on the
budgets that they then present to the
mayor uh and then they kind of go back
and forth so um I think we will have
input we would have input into the
budget it just holds our feet to the
fire um in a way that I think is
appropriate given what happened last
year so um I'm not on this subcommittee
I would encourage the committee to you
know move forward with the public
hearing because I think we have all the
information right here and I think that
um Corporation Council indicated that
Aly and Troy and Amsterdam have similar
language in their um in their um yes
they're all similar Lang where they have
this process where they when's adopted
goes to the council override Etc it's
all this process okay so um hearing what
everyone's point of view is I think that
right now we're in a pretty good place
where we can um allow members of the
council who might have you know cuz
right now we're basing on what's in
front of us right here correct maybe
there's some other um uh suggestions or
input that that can kind of uh bring us
together in in a point of agreement so I
would really uh being with the timeline
what it is I think that you know we
really should give that opportunity to
any council members who um want to look
at this a little more closely or maybe
introduce some different ideas and again
it won't impact our timeline it's the
good thing is that we all are an
agreement that something needs to happen
um and I think that the conversation um
will be a more productive and beneficial
one if we're saying you know what this
is something that maybe I think that we
can consider so I just you know being
that you know we don't lose anything by
uh the due diligence of the council
members to kind of look at this and and
maybe look at other uh options that can
get us to the same place so with that uh
I will just um you know I W call for the
public hearing right now I don't think
we need to do that what we'll do is uh
you know and not that I would ever
firste Us in uh set situation that that
we've been in before but I think it is
our responsibility as a council to again
have some guard rails in place and I
think that this will do that and and we
need to give our our teammates the
opportunity to um cuz this is a really
significant substantial decision and I
think it definitely requires again some
careful consideration and as long as
it's not impacting the timeline what do
we lose by giving our colleagues the
opportunity to Del deeper maybe come up
with some something that that that might
even fit better for us than it does for
some of our uh surrounding
municipalities any other thoughts or
questions on that President P I would
just ask that Mr um O'Brien if you could
just um provide for us the other um
municipalities information where this
was derived from yes that was to be part
of the consideration right that wouldn't
be a problem all right thank you but um
just to be mindful of you know the
timelines a veto and overriding the time
if you're over going to override The
veto of the mayor whatever you come to
and goes to the mayor and it's veto you
have 30 days in which to override The
veto and I think at that point you have
to be mindful of the time absolutely I
think y I think that we understand that
you know any you know if president P
fail if mrini is saying that hey we want
to look at this I think that I would
encourage all our council members to do
so you know as quickly as POS possible
as long as you're you know again not
compromising the Integrity of the
decision that you arrive at because this
is a pretty consequential piece of
legislation so um
yeah
so with that I will and and uh we'll
bring this back in 2 weeks
well sure we can BR back in two weeks if
that's if that's well we have to well
know what I would say is that if we um
the mayor was saying you know in a
couple days uh hopefully we could you
have something to to him to you know for
his consideration or for a larger
consideration with the group I was going
to say when we say we'll bring it back
in two weeks that doesn't mean that we
won't do our due diligence within that
timeline no we'll definitely do our due
diligence and we want to make sure like
this is a change to our Charter it's
significant um and U we want to make
sure that all council members actually I
know that Mr is absent today and
sometimes that happens but this would
also give him time to um to be able to
provide any input and um can I also just
say that as this was brought up I took
the opportunity to look at the CH
Charter in its entirety and it might
just be time for an overall uh revision
of the chart because some of the even
some of the language in there like a
constable we haven't had conable I can't
tell you when so this might be a time
where us you know it came up and I'm
said well let me look at this and uh so
maybe we may want to look at the entire
Charter and make sure that everything is
as it should be not this time though I
mean just P
moment but there is a process with a
revision and I think that we should
really consider doing that to make sure
that our Charter um meets what today's
standards are actually need in today's
language so just want to um also include
that so we'll bring this back incl weeks
appreciate everyone's input uh I'll
accept a motion to ajour government
operations so more I'll second that all
favor I we are
adjourn
okay I'd like to call the order City
development and planning we have nine
items on the agenda
done and the first is the award the
bidden contract to Connected little
league and car street fencing
improvements Mr
Waller hello
and working with the connect little
league and the neighborhood association
that is working on carry Street Park the
city put out a a joint fencing bid um
the bid is for uh fencing improvements
uh mostly just replacement of fencing at
the conc Little League which is Oregon
Avenue Fields as well as a replacement
and installation of fencing on the carry
Street Park along the basketball court
and the playground um we received three
bids the low bid was byal construction
um we did call five references including
a reference in the city of Albany for a
here that we work with all the
references came back fine um we are
looking to award all of the alternates
as it was in budget and the budget will
be split between arpa funding that was
set aside for Lo League improvements and
Facilities funding as the park is not
part of
the so um in terms of the organ Avenue
and I know that's where the arpa money
is so this is the fencing but is there
other are there other things that are
also going to be happening in addition
to that I know it's part of this correct
yes so now that we have our budget
number we wanted to see what the budget
number was so when we received this uh
since it was under the budget that we
had we then issued a PO for a new
scoreboard so the scoreboard is actually
ordered it was underneath the the value
we needed to bid so the scoreboard is
ordered uh City forces have been there
we've repaired some of their uh septic
issues they have had volunteers uh
donate time to help with the roofs um we
are also working working with them on um
other projects as as the clearing of the
fields um I believe I don't have the
list in front of me but there is a quite
a long list of things that we're looking
at trying to accomplish with a mixture
of In-House and Contract Services most
of the things we think we can get done
with Rewritten quotes as it's under
35,000 but this fencing was the one that
we knew would be the biggest value item
so that's why we bit it and didn't move
forward with anything until we had these
numbers thank you any other question yes
Mr Toro I'd like to personally thank Mr
Wen and fr Fred masani they've been
working diligently on the Oregon Avenue
um and I know it's there are little tiny
things knockout things and there's a lot
of work that goes into getting the bids
on all these little things but thank you
very much and I I I know they're very
appreciative of everything that's
happening over there so thank
you any other questions comments and a
motion so uh so move I'll second I'll
favor I I thank you thank you Mr
R the uh next item on the agenda is a
presentation for water bik rental
services Mr
Leon good evening um the CH PR you is a
proposal or presentation um which will
be given by uh Patricia Reed she is the
owner of um PC Waterworks I believe it
is and she is the best one to be able to
answer questions with regards to to what
is she's proposing to do in central part
with regards Dependable um remits so I'd
like P to come up you can answer any of
your questions we be regard to do um her
operation hi
everybody my name is w and that's my
husband de Wade uh we be trying to open
our business since uh June
2022 uh the city connected requested
everything uh from us and we submitted
everything needed so I'll just explain
what we trying to
do so PC water rights
LC we like to bring a new business to
Central
Parks
PC water right LC will be part of
the for the community it bring more
fun can C it's a rental business we'll
be renting our three wheel tricle water
bike
ped to customers will be we would love
to have the opportunity to bring more
positivity to the city of SC Central
Park by bring a new business that other
parks in this capital region doesn't
have since this is a season of business
will be
opening 7 days a week from 11:00 a.m. to
700 p.m. due to inflation PC laser water
rights will be
charging $10 per person for 20 minutes
right but the
customers have a choice to choose how
long they want to rent a water
ride so for that reason we asking for
city of SK to give us the opportunity
and the chance to open this new
bu all right I'll start I have a
question so are you doing this business
any place else at this time
no so this would be the first time that
you do this will be the first time we're
doing business um you did mention that
you've been trying to do this with us
since 2022 can you tell me a little
about that since
2022 uh I came to the city of sced to us
to see how I can operate the buildings
in Central Park and that was given the
information that I had to speak to Mr
Paul which I sent all the paperwork and
the business plan to Mr Po and he been
communicating with me and then he gave
the paper to
Mr will I was working with him then I
was told this year he's no longer
working for the city of connected so we
had to go back to PO so I had to start
from the beginning so thank God PA been
calling me and communicating with me
letting me know what I need uh and what
needed for us to be able to open the
business um and also in your business
plan it says that you would be the only
you only have one staff person doing
this could you found a little bit say
that again how many staff people would
be present at be only just me and my
husband at this
for Mr manini I was almost expecting to
see the paddle boats that I'm used to
see yes so I have that cuz I know
everybody will think like it's the
regular P Bo this is something different
that nobody has that's why we try to
bring
to yeah so it's something like this
right now I see I know when I when I was
open I was expecting when I saw the P
typical P that lower to the this is how
it works as you can see the video I
think that's cool
very go do you ever see this how here
are they any more less safe than the
than the typical ones
were accustomed to seeing or more
difficult to navigate say that again the
the typ the paddle BS that I've seen you
know the one you one the old one the
one so these are there are there any
more risk of it tip in or more difficult
to navigate no you just R like you
sitting in like a bik but you sitting
down just that's right they just Way co
you yeah I like that so this is a
new a new
one so we asking for the city of SK the
opportunity to bring this building to
Central Park Miss Patrick yes so I just
wanted to ask about um life jackets I
wanted to ask about liability um in
terms of the City versus um the owner of
the company um as well as again back to
the rules discussion that we were having
about the pool I mean what would be the
age limit in terms of how old would
someone need to be to be able to uh get
this that you're going to get into
negotiating terms and conditions the
contract that it should be done in the
executive session most a generic
conversation than public session any the
details would more appropriate in
executive session Madam chair I would I
would yes I would say that we're going
to go going discussions about the terms
and conditions of The Proposal as
proposed we should go into an executive
section but I I'll just tell the council
that the uh any charges for the rental
to Pedal shall be set by resolution of
the city
council sorry did you say that
again fees for the rental of pedal boats
shall be set by resolution by the city
council in other words the city council
sets the race whether whether this was a
the operated function or private
operator function the ordinance is clear
that the city council sets the rate and
that's to
18621 sub B and also there's another
section of the uh of the of the the city
code under uh cods for public
use um the charge for use of a boat or a
canoe shall be set by resolution of the
city council at the time it approves it
Contractor License so it's quite clear
and that those were all done by you know
resolution back in
2017 as amended previously so the rates
are not set by the vendor the rates are
set by you so I think at this point
we're going to get into the proposal in
detail and we probably should do that
executive session because that's the
terms and conditions that we're going to
Grant the license for the use of
facility City facility so the question
about life jacket does that something
does that need to be there or those kind
of things can those life jacket it's uh
it's the proposal has that and then also
it's also covered our city code what is
required but I don't want to get too
much a deep dive to all the sections
that particular proposal well miss
Patrick just had a question about the
life jackets and is is that going be are
they going to be
available life jackets we'll be
providing the last Jack to all H thank
you
Williams uh so first I wanted to say um
definitely excited to hear about a new
Venture I think connectivity definitely
thrives on a small businesses you know
often times requires them to maintain uh
the viability of our community I did
have a few questions you mentioned that
it was going to be $10 for 20 minutes I
see in the pricing structure
hopefully all right cool U so I didn't
know if there was a guess 20 minutes and
30 minutes but so we can discuss that
later also in your contract it said that
You' pay a fee of $250 you
mind even if she presented
that negotiating contract well mean not
negotiating getting a definition of
where she came from I think you know we
can bring that back if the council wish
should negotiate with that we can put
that right prop vendor
concern so the question is with their
for the general question what's what's
the proposal on
now say how much you how much you you
want to pay the
city
well you ask me up $0000 by the
city okay you proposed 250 let's start
there no I didn't propose anything told
me that I have to pay
$250 so that that didn't come from me
that was told by the city that I have to
pay
$250 now okay understood and then last
question about that I thought it came
from the OWN
say once
again if we have any concerns about
proposal perhaps we can do that
executive session and we can reach out
to the proposed vendor with their
concerns and I guess a final question in
um timeline should we approve it uh how
fast will you be able to implement that
are you thinking about this season and
do you already have the
equipment I was like way I said the
paper I was try to open this as soon as
possible like I put it in writing was
supposed to be June 3D but as you see
June so i' been waiting so I was happy
to receive a phone call from Mr PA when
he called me like oh you forget me so so
now we are in July as soon as possible
cuz at this point we only have like what
July August it be like two months cuz
the city asked that the uh bo have to be
out the water before uh September 3rd or
after September 3rd
so we only have like two months but you
do have equipment already though yes we
have the equipment already everything is
set up oh okay that okay thank you so um
I think there are some questions though
that the council has that we would have
to address those in the executive
session so um there's Council has other
questions and we're going to have to
talk more about that in executive
session because it it has to do with the
contract and we can't
that publicly okay okay so is the city
going to send me the contract or what I
well depends on the decision comes out
executive session but you you'll the
short answer as you'll be contacted
about what the decision is okay all
right thank you for the opportunity all
right thank you for coming you thank you
for your time thank you thank you thank
you all right um the next one is the
riew for the amendments to the city code
um and proposed change to the City
conect Historic District ordinance and
the public was on June 24th
2024 and all of you have that in your
packet um in addition to that you also
one there
was there was one piece of legislation
of the legislation that um there were we
received
emails and email and also someone came
to speak at the public hearing and they
followed that up with the email as well
and it had to do with the um number of
people on the
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commission as far as I know that was the
only area of concern that was brought up
at the public hearing um what I did take
a look at is uh all of our other boards
that we have and essentially most boards
with the exception of the um the board
of assessment review which meets just a
few weeks to um to for assessments and
then the ethics board which meet seems
like every uh every decade um they have
five but everything else has between
seven and nine and um if you would just
in your packet you have the input from
the individuals
who unan part of the grp that
unanimously um voted to try to keep it
at 7 and um just want to have some
discussion around that in terms of that
and and you know how we how we move
forward I did um I did have a discussion
with Miss caror to explain um you know
how I I saw this but I'd like to open
this up to the council for discussion
because uh at the public hearing that
was the only concern that was brought up
as part of this
um as part of this amendment to the
ordinance
so yes Mr to um I I would go on the
advice of of the historic commission um
they've been doing this job a long time
for many years having a business and a
home both in historic uh districts here
in the city I appreciate everything they
do keeping things
um keeping things uh true to to their
their past um my feeling is if they
think seven uh would would always uh
constitute uh getting a better Quorum um
and I'm going to go with their advice I
think it should stay at 7 and instead of
down to 5: again that's if I mean it's a
it's a it's a huge undertaking this this
commission itself um there's a lot to
consider a lot of meetings there's a lot
of areas in the city that they have to
consider but um again if if these
individuals um who have reached out to
us have uh Richard and Gloria have been
on this commission for a long time and
and I think if they think seven is
worthy then I I would suggest we stay
with seven
anybody else Miss Patrick well I do have
concerns um I I appreciate what Miss
Toro um and the commission is saying um
at the same time I appreciate what the
staff is saying
having I mean if we look on page 46 of
our packet we did get I think that you
asked for that these statistics um
and you know they really haven't had uh
great attendance at the um according to
this um we can see that I think we can
understand why our staff person was
recommending the change um but yes I can
see also that the commission is asking
for us to stay at 7 but I guess I would
have to say that we really would need to
make sure that they were going to be
able to have you know more than four
people there right well I'm sorry go
ahead Mr no I was going to kind I agree
with what uh m b is saying I think that
you know we're in a cuz all things that
we're talking about here kind of you
know have Merit it makes sense to you
know kind of defer to the people who are
in the position right now who understand
how things have been going um or or
what's necessary but then looking at you
know kind of the information that
receive based on outcomes it does seem
to be a struggle so I guess the question
is you know if we were to defer to um
people assign a commission how would
they demonstrate their ability to not be
in the position that they're currently
in
so I I think in terms of demonstrating
the um um that they would not be in this
position part of that is our
responsibility it belongs to the city
that because we
really we've kind of went through this
process similarly with the um the cprb
true so it's about um making sure the
applications are submitted my
understanding from one of the emails is
there are current applications that are
we have here that have not gone through
the process and therefore you know one
they have to come to us before we can
make a decision on them so um I I don't
I looked for it in the code I looked and
I didn't see where there's any clear
process we know that we know you know
because of how we've been doing it that
it goes to the mayor and then mayor
brings to the council but I don't see
where there's any any written process
and um so with the cprb the way we found
out about it is that the um the chair of
the cprb came to us and said oh we need
people and and I kept pushing that
forward when it happened with the
Planning Commission the chair of the
planning commission came forward when it
happened with the Bureau of assessment
the board of assessment review our staff
member who works with that particular um
board told us so we've got varying ways
so I think part of it is the process and
we have to make sure that we have the
process and then once we have
applications that we um that they're um
acting on in in an expedited manner so
that there is not this um from November
till May like we had with the cprb so
part of that is making sure that we have
all the information and all people that
need to have the information are aware
and the applications move through the
process in an expedited manner so that
people can get the quum so it's not
entirely I mean I would say that the
board has responsibility to say hey
we're missing but what is the process
who does it go to and how do once
applications get here we make sure that
applications move through the process
so so um and the I um my my
recommendation is that we allow the the
applications that are there be moved
forward and looked at and moved forward
so that um they could be able to get a
form and to me it's easier to if like
for instance that you look at the
information that um that was provided by
Miss haror in terms of them not getting
um not having only four people but if
you only have five to choose from and
four come you have the majority but if
you if you have seven then you have two
more people you can ask that you can't
that that would be available so I would
recommend that and if if we could um get
those applications moved forward and
give it at least till the end of the
year and see that if they're getting the
quum and and move forward like that but
I I uh with I would have to agree with
Mr Toro that the folks who do this who
volunteer their time um it's not
compensated uh that they have the
opportunity as long and they're willing
to work with um the department head and
and again I think that we need to talk
about not just for this board but for
all the boards we need to talk about
what the process looks like getting
people getting applications and get them
moved through the so they don't we have
vacancies for a long period of time that
causes people not to have a
quum Mr Williams Oh So what I first
would like to identify is in no ways
there a slate at the planning and
development um department for putting
together these amendments I think it was
definitely their best interpretation of
how to respond uh to address the quum
issues but I truly believe in responsive
government and as we had we've heard
from individuals that are uh serving in
these capacities saying hey can you
pause and and
reidentifying with that if there are
applications that haven't been processed
or if there is hesitancy on on um the
approving agency's part I think can we
discuss having a criteria uh where what
are the Baseline considerations expected
for a candidate and I think in similar
fashion to how uh Chief Marino and the
police dep and the fire department
excuse me have uh identified a base
level exportation and they'll train you
the rest of the way can we have a
baseline exportation that evaluates time
served to help bridge some of those uh
uh gaps if you say and having like a
true candidate um but definitely we had
some of these similar concerns with the
cprb and I think today it's been the
most uh staff so far so I I agree uh if
there have been historic vacancies uh I
think it is not uh um uncustomary of us
to pause and see if there's ways we can
just re-evaluate ways to just boost um
participation but also in the right way
where we're not uh taking expenses at
just quality candid coming
for put your hand up are you no okay yes
Miss Patrick well I think Mr Farley has
okay Mr far certainly so I would just I
guess something I think we
should probably don't talk about enough
which I think that we have to uh
demonstrate the curage to address when
anytime we talk about it board positions
I think that you
know maintaining
um a larger board I think gives more
people opportunity and gives us a better
opportunity to have a more diverse and
inclusive uh board voice and I think
that so that's something that we have
council members no matter what we're
doing any decision we're making we
should be looking through an equitable
lens and you know I would love to invite
my colleagues to kind
of be raise that point a little more
often um because it's something I think
that is something that's the expectation
of the people of our community that um
we represent that we uh make sure that
we're being as inclusive and and all of
these um volunteer pay whatever the
situation of the board is that we set it
up in a way that gives us the greatest
chance to uh be more inclusive and to be
equable M Patrick I was just wondering
if there were other I mean there's a lot
of changes in here that's just one uh
that's being recommended so I just
wanted to see if there were other I mean
this is there's a lot in here so I
didn't know if we wanted to summary um I
know that particular staff person isn't
here tonight but
um we gave a summary already of all the
changes we pres the city C so so they
gave the summary and the only and then
there was the public hearing so the only
thing that came out of the public
hearing and that was reviewed by
everyone you know who had interest in it
and that was the only um concern and and
change that was that was requested
okay yes do we know anything about in
regard to the bylaws if if there are
members that are passing consistently
where they can maybe be discharged and
bring out a new member um and maybe
keeping a number a little bit smaller
but we move people quicker for not
showing up you know my the only concern
I have is is that there's not a quum so
there's a lot of time time being wasted
so I'm wondering if they have um I think
um we looked at that before in another
board that if somebody isn't showing
that we can move move them and then
bring on another candidate I don't know
if the bylaws address it or not I'm not
sure I can get back to
you what you see is is what what you
that's that's the the operating
structure you made some changes to the
board of assessment review earlier this
yearing attendance issues was the to to
amend the attendance and they were being
paid uh so there is there are no bylaws
um regarding that and based on the
information we received it said that
they uh had to vote unanimously it
didn't say that nothing passed that so
so what ended up happening the four
people were there and the four people
unanimous bu on it so it was if if there
had been three people that said yes and
one person said no that would have been
a problem but so far that hasn't been
the
problem so which to me again speaks to
the fact that you should have more
opportunity a bigger pool to choose from
to lessen the um possibility of having a
not having a
COR so the the uh it's on page 63 and
item uh number one article
10 uh membership
so the way it's being proposed is that
it should it go down to five and then
one alternate member to serve in the
absence of a
member and Mr O'Brien the one alternate
member was an addition when when you
change when it was the requested was to
change it from 5 to 7 7 to five you
would just want to keep the seven
everything else uh leave the
same yes that's that's what
consensus of the council just change the
board you know keep keep it in other
words the draft is amended but the
actual code is not because the code is
not the code is decreased the amendment
is asking for a decrease but you don't
want want to do that so just the uh
proposed uh legislation just has to be
amended to reflect seven instead of five
yes membership is that the is that the
any other change regarding that that's
that you're all good with that okay yes
so we just change the draft for it to be
said sure I don't know that that this is
something that need to be addressed in
this but I think it should just be noted
that cuz I I heard you say at least to
the end of the year to see and then make
could revisit something like that I
think that that's a good I don't know
that that needs to be in the amendment
right but just it's
just always say corre at any time you
can just saying for clarity expectation
transparency purposes I think it should
be
so would you pass
uh resolution excuse me a a motion
tonight to amend the uh proposal to
reflect the uh number to remain at seven
out than five yes and then the coun then
ordinance has proposed to go before the
Council next Monday right well that has
to pass out the committee that means
that Miss I'm okay I'll move it um but
go ahead so so if we stay with seven the
the stipulation one alternative member
that's removed
yes membership will be uned right right
and I just um do want to like and I
guess you talked to the mayor's office
about this to make sure the applications
that are there um would they be in your
office the applications that are have
been submitted would they be with your
office at this point uh that's my
understanding okay so if we could just
make sure that um if the council you
know if you're if they're acceptable to
you that you would move this forward
because then then that would that allow
them to have the Quorum and not be in
the same situation have the same
conversation mon from now and so the
council was going to reduce the number I
wasn't looking to over staff the board
and oh you
were oh okay
well so I'm not um looking to we looking
to leave it at 7
okay so I will put in a motion to accept
this um with that one change of leaving
it at 7 and taking out the um alternate
so that's article 10 section A 1 a so
otherwise we accept the other the other
changes as uh indicated by
our I'll second that all those in favor
I I thank
you uh the next item on the agenda is
the review regarding amendments to the
connec zoning ordinance relating to the
Hamilton Hill development plan also
referred to as connect 40 project in the
area of Albany page State and SKC Street
the public hearing was on the 24th of
June uh
so we uh had the public hearing actually
no one came to speak of public hearing
hearing and what is before you now is um
that we would have to um pass the uh
those amendments to the zoning and we it
was unanimously um the Planning
Commission approved the resoning
unanimously any questions or comments or
is there someone here to speak to
this I'm always available but I think
we've said it
all does anyone have any questions we
have our team here if anyone question
any does anyone have any questions
regarding that okay then I guess you can
save the
speed all right I'll motion I'll move it
I'll second all those in favor I I thank
you um the next item on the agenda is
for the um city council to De declar le
Agency for a
Seeker um for the same project the
Hamilton Hill Redevelopment plan zoning
change for skin
40 any questions would you
anything okay see it's not
deare the negative
declaration is there something Mr no
negative
declaration I'll move it I'll second all
in favor I I thank
you actually the mayor's name was on
that sorry
mayor your name was on I apologize did
you have something you want to say
no it's at this point I think it's all
proor put a lot of time and effort in
this and I'm glad it's coming to a
conclusion great thank
you uh the next item on the agenda is to
revisit the discussion about producing
the city's speed limit to 25 mph and
other safety traffic measures Miss
Patrick yes well I just wanted to uh
bring this back forward again um I think
we need to be able to move forward on
some of this um we've heard from various
residents um about the concern about
speeding and other types of uh traffic
infractions that have been happening uh
the concerns that I brought up last time
uh had to do with um how we would go
about uh educating how we would go about
with uh making sure that we were
enforcing um again I think we need staff
to be able to um talk with us about um
which streets would be uh 2 M an hour um
I because there are some streets that we
know we wouldn't want to put down to 25
M hour but as we've said over and over
again for the last few years in bringing
this forward um even Bringing Down the
speed limit from 30 to 25 there's
research that shows um that that has an
impact on pedestrian safety for sure um
I think we've heard from um I think you
know Chief Clifford's not here but I've
heard from um a couple of U members of
our Police Department that if we were to
lower the speed limit then we could at
least know that people might go 30 uh
instead of 25 um it gives them a little
bit more flexibility in terms of being
able to um issue tickets um so I just I
I you know I don't know the next step um
I think um obviously there'd be some
budgetary issues in terms of changing
the um the signage um again the signage
is primarily um at entranceways to the
city
um so I leave it open for folks to chime
in here but see what other people feel
um well the last time we talked about
this um we uh we asked that Chief
Clifford Mr Canon and
uh Chris Wallen is now gone to talk
about this so I I agree that we need to
do that um the there was an accident
that happened last August I think all of
you may have know about that at this
point in time where a woman was
seriously
injured and um I mean a traumatic brain
injury and
so there's definitely a problem with
speeding I think we've all seen it we
didn't have to wait for an accident to
see it we've all seen it I also
understand that there's only certain
there's certain street that that we
can't apply this to but we would
definitely need to hear um again from Mr
Wallen and from Mr Canon Mr yeah Mr
Canon who I guess the fine person U he
replaced John kucho and uh Chief
Clifford but I don't know how we um can
get that
accommodated to have them here so we can
you know hear what needs to be done and
then move
forward get it scheduled and get them
here with an appropriate presentation
okay so for the next committee meeting
quite possible their calendar July's a
little bit harder with some vacation I
tentatively say yes cancel
vacations the city council controls the
terms and conditions of employment so if
you want to do a resolution canceling
vacation I don't think they'll be very
popular resolution I I just wanted to
point out that um we do have a resident
here this evening who did give us um
some additional information about lower
speed limit so I appreciate that um it's
information that uh came to my attention
a couple of years ago um I support the
the information that that's in there um
so I hope that everybody will take a
chance take a moment to to to look at
that and we have other residents here
this evening as well who have come
continuously to our Council asking us to
move forward um with trying to you know
Implement some change so um I think
especially as we when we move into the
budget season it's clear that we will
have some budget implications of this um
in terms of do we need additional stop
signs do we
want to to think about you know what
happens with cameras on stop lights and
whether tickets get automatically um
issued if someone goes through a redl
for example I mean that was something
that Mr PA manyy brought up when he was
on Council so some of this has
implications budget wise and we would
have to care for staff um regarding
those kinds of things yes and also I'm
going to say 5 years ago I think I
presented something to for us to get
speed hunts which took 3 years and then
we only had it as a demonstration
project on one street so we definitely
need to look at traffic calming measures
um to to make sure that um that we
address this problem so um if if and I
don't even know where those speed humps
are now because they didn't come back
out again this summer I have no idea so
we definitely have to do that and but in
addition to all of the things that we
passed we have like implementation and
enforcement is going to be a huge part
of this whole process yes yes M and I do
want to say um was expressing this to a
resident that called today but um I've
really racked my brains um I know this
is going to sound really wacky but I
mean one of the ideas that I have is
whether we could approach um something
like AAA to see if you know they would
offer um a free defensive driving course
to Residents who um you know I I don't
know I mean all of this would have to be
worked out in terms of a program but I
know I myself did that during Co when we
were stuck in home home you know before
vaccination time I took that defensive
driving again for the second time in my
life and um I know that it has
influenced my behavior um as I drive
around the city and um you know I would
hope that that might have an impact as
well so we have to try to come up with
some other creative uh ways to the the
behavior issue I feel is just so
fundamental uh I encourage all of you to
when you leave tonight go drive home 25
M hour on the streets that you think
this might happen and you'll see that it
is difficult to do so um but again I
mean it's a safety factor that I I I
really can't discount enough and you'll
see that um again this is this this
handout is definitely some of the things
that I I saw when I was first
researching this so please uh pay
attention to this and let's try to um
you know get the staff here and try to
come to some
decisions um about this
uh Mr Wings so I I
um I know there are a number of
residents who are looking at this
conversation and saying that again this
is an item that's been talked about and
talked about and talked about and no
action has been conducted and to them I
would just like to ask for their
contined patience um I think I always
appreciate a light light Baner
especially kind of referencing the the
budget season um but with all sincerity
this is
a a a a dire issue that we need to
address um I need to miss um Patrick's
Point I don't think we're short of ideas
it's just selecting one um I'm glad that
we've expanded from the singular focus
of uh this item with addressing just in
governements in general and I think we
truly need to have a comprehensive
approach for the entire city uh even in
separate facets but for my entire
Council um career that highlighted just
neighbor hoods throughout the city that
are experiencing this to varying degrees
um but but collectively as a city we
need to respond and again if that is
waiting for the conversation to have the
proper uh agents and agencies to speak
to this I I I uh I yield to that um but
very much I correct me if I'm wrong
anyone at the table I think we do not
need to experience a fatality to
understand the severity of this and uh I
I appreciate the individuals throughout
the city who are taking the time to
adhere proactively to being uh slower in
their vehicles um but we are addressing
individuals that are taking a less of
regard for it um so again it is our
responsibility to hold individuals uh
accountable for helping us identify the
proper solution we have had measures in
place referencing the speed humps that
have been indicated that they had a had
a a positive impact um but again we just
need to respond and then hold that
response year in and year out um in
order
this yes Mr Mr far we has his hand up
yeah so I'll try to be brief as I can I
think this is has there's been some
learning for me in this cuz initially I
was just like okay yeah we keep talking
this why AR we just doing something but
I think that now recognizing you know
what steps have to be in place and for
us to make an informed decision I will
second what Mr Williams kind of thrs
around like it we need to make sure that
we're doing this in a way that's smart
that has an impact on why I guess then
my other question you know we're kind of
wering if you will is what can we do in
the meantime because I feel like you
know I know we talked about uh you said
some speed humps that were out that we
might have in possession of the city are
there things that where we can as we are
going through the process are there you
know as we go through the kind of the
graduated interventions are there things
that we can do along the way um as far
as uh you know maybe bringing out
whatever speed humps that we have um and
putting those in um um the areas that
have been identified to be you know kind
of those more high-risk areas um is
there um signage that we have that we
can kind of post up so I'm just welc
like like what are some of those
more measured responses as we wait to
get to kind of that larger response um
and if there are those I would just
encourage us to at least do those things
like I don't know exactly what all of
those are yes well for example we have
um we have like the digital uh you know
sign like the one you at high school you
know if you're coming up um is it Mullen
um you know that kind of thing where I
mean again I would think that when
people see what their speed is and what
the speed is supposed to be hopefully
that would make them so we have you know
that that's one type of traffic calming
measure that that also could could
happen um we did I just wanted to point
out publicly that we did get the home
rule legislation passed in August of
2022 so that we move forward with doing
this um changing the speed limit so that
piece is in place
um and then otherwise I think we need to
hear from staff on some of these other
items I would agree we definitely have
to hear from staff but I um because I
would I would um say to council members
forward your questions to the clerk's
office so that anything that you want
staff to consider or talk about in the
presentation uh that that they would
have the information prepared ready to
talk about it at that time and and to Mr
Char point I think this the staff is
going to have to be the one who decides
you know what measures can be taken in
what steps because you know they do that
more and also we did do when there was a
situation on King's Road they did
Implement some things in addition to
that some of the stop signs where it has
the light that uh like light has extra
lights on it so there have been some
things that have been implemented but
clearly we need to do more so we yes Mr
Toro um I did know it stop signs all on
Eastern Avenue as well there now there's
red reflection tape on the bottom of the
stop saw that too so kind of brings them
right out I mean maybe not everyone can
have every sign can have the
uh right but um yeah so there are
different meth you know different
methods to catch our attention yes
you're right but again once everyone
gets here and um we can come up with a
plan and I it's a good idea that we do
send our questions to to the clerk so
that at least when they get here they'll
know what what you know a lot of our our
concerns are probably all the same
because we hear the same thing from
everyone throughout so and I think the
for that maybe um like what kind of data
would we have like time of day accidents
tickets issued the most complaints so
like like you talked about yeah The Hot
Zone yeah we have all that we've had
that presentation actually even also so
we could probably ask for that's one of
the questions we can make sure the data
is up to date from when of the last time
we had prev so at this point in time we
bring this back in two weeks and again
submit any of your questions concerns to
the clerk's office so they can be
forwarded to the appropriate staff so
when they come they can answer those
questions thank you for bringing forward
Miss Miss
P all right
um the next item is discussion
the form during City Council meetings at
the last committee meeting I asked that
we add one thing to um the current rules
of the Forum that being that if the
individual um s the would state that by
signing this I agree to adhere to her
abide by um the rules of the Quorum and
so miss uh Miss barage said that she
wanted to look at whether or not that
was something that we could legally um
do and so so um I'll just let her she
present some case law which all of you
should have a copy of and I'll just let
her present um what her opinion on that
is thank you madam president um as the
chair uh you have you are the one who
can run the meeting so you can enforce
uh the rules that you would like to
enforce
um I provided you with case law for our
discussion and if you have further
questions you can present them so based
on the case law um the case law really
talked a lot about um violating people's
Fifth Amendment rights and I don't see
um asking people to say that I'll hear
by the rules is violating their Fifth
Amendment rights in any way so um for me
it's I say that we you know I want to I
would like to move forward so that it's
there that a person signs it and says I
I'm willing to go by these rules I don't
see where there's a violation of the
person's First Amendment
um right so unless you I just don't see
it in there Mr far oh no that's so I was
asking Corporation Council do you feel
that that we can get into that uh space
of violing someone's rights by acing
them to sign that or just trying to see
what your opinion is on that um I've not
I've never provided an opinion that
uh it's a violation of the rights V
rights um it's up to a judge If This
Were if someone were to accuse the city
of that uh it's not up to me so it's
possible but there's the potential that
someone
would uh try to make that clean I'm not
providing an opinion on whether they
would win or
not because it's up to a judge or a jury
at the end of the day not to
me did you have did you have a
hand anyone else so our question
is when they sign in there's the rules
of um the cor the Corum that they're
going to follow that is what we're
asking him and if it's your
interpretation as the if they violate
that and you can that's currently
already like that yeah yeah that's
that's already there if someone starts
to swear you've seen it and like you
know then they get stopped this is
simply saying that I'm willing to do
that that's I think it's already implied
but I'd like to see it just added to
that yes Miss Patrick and again I think
what we talked about at the last meeting
was that it could be at the top of the
there could be a statement at the top of
the signning
sheet that indicates this is what you're
signing you
know I don't know the language that we
used but I'm just saying once they sign
their name onto that signin sheet it
would mean that they were agreeing to
whatever was at the top of the
sheet and so and that's what I'd like to
and then I do think um that again
council president maintains that order
um by virtue of I mean announcing what
the rules are um and then keeping
people to task um as they speak which
you know you do do
so I just would like to add that to the
to the rules of the form just
so it's there and people are
clear Mr Williams um so I would say I
definitely don't see an issue with that
I'm not an attorney or practicing law
nor what I want to um but definitely
it's identified as privilege of the so
to me that sounds like there is a a
shared understanding of what it is you
need to fulfill to have this ability to
speak
um I think just uh lining up or or
having the written justification I think
looks beyond the individual that's
currently in the seat but provides that
justification because in instances there
have been individuals that challenge
what is not written and it should not
have to be up to interpretation it
should be something that is again
written so we can reference um for all
Clarity within
reason I'm sorry within
reason may I haven't had a chance to
read these documents
then okay yes so we can wait until the
next cycle um but I again to me that um
these documents don't address what my
question was and was my question was
simply a statement of saying if I if I
sign this by signing this I will adhere
to these rules and these documents speak
a lot to um people's strength amend
being
violated I think just again I'm just
briefly looking at the case some in this
one and the last sentence there does say
the First Amendment did not protect
defendant's right to discuss irrelevant
topics at the meeting so yeah and which
is already in there we we kind of say
that in in terms of the public
hearing yeah I would just say I think
um the reality is no matter what it says
on on paper our expectations and our
rules I my my very very very very
limited scope of understanding um to
this
how I understand it would be that
someone's uh uh first their First
Amendment right will supersede any real
expectation that we um have for them
anyway I believe that that would be the
kind of the final say on that but again
so I'm completely okay with I think what
you're uh kind of bringing forward is
saying that there's a clear
understanding and not just an implied
understanding of what people sign which
I think is really good um again though I
would just be really defer to
Corporation counsel if they have any
reservations around that I would welcome
that and we should probably you know I
that would be something that I would
want to take into a strong
consideration I think since the uh chair
already um can call someone out of order
and runs the meeting is an unnecessary
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addition I'd like to say there I think
it's necessary it states for people
exactly what's there and just spells it
out no questions asked and and I would
still go over the rules Etc but I don't
think that um just stating letting
people know that I'm willing to adhere
to this
is unnecessary I think it's quite
necessary quite frankly based on some of
the
uh meetings we've had and going forward
so that people understand that the
reason that we even had the rules of the
form to begin with a couple years ago
was because it was just getting a little
a little dicey so that's why we came up
with a B so I'd like to see that on
there and I'd like to um be able to work
with Corporation counsel for us to have
appropriate language that just spells it
out like that and being able to bring
that back into it Mr oh is your hand
up I think well I'll make a comment I'll
prer to the councilman it's councilman
well no I think we just have to
recognize that there will be risks there
will be risks of you know um getting
suit it sounds like or getting having to
you know be brought to Fort um so we
have to understand those risks if we
decide to move forward with that I might
I know you're not making an opinion that
it would be up to a judge but that's
what I'm hearing in other words of
course anybody could bring us to court
if they wanted to everything a risk yeah
so I just wanted to say that publicly
that a risk 100% And there's a risk with
almost anything that we have to do yes
Mr fary yeah and just for clarity my
question would you know wouldn't
necessarily be about whether it's
necessary or not I think that that's
well within the um real house of the
council and and to experience the
meetings whether you think it's
necessary or not my question is is more
along the lines of because it makes
reasonable sense to me I would support
it but I want to make sure that we're
deferring to Corporation counsel to make
sure that we are in you know legal
parameters and minimizing the likelihood
of Us ending up in a situation that we
don't need to be so that was really M
May
yeah what's your end goal you put the
rules down which people already know or
should know somebody violates it what
are you looking to
do my own goal is to well already when
people violate it I tell them my my goal
is just to state for people in the very
beginning that we our expectation of you
is that you will go cool by the slides
that's it so and I don't and again I
don't I don't find you don't need the
corporation counsel or any other staff
to do it prerogative have the clerk put
it on the list put it there and we're
done with it know it's the end becomes
what do you do do you rule somebody out
of order do you recess the meeting
sergeant-at-arms you bring the police in
we can remove somebody if they're really
uh totally out of line that seem to be
overly complicating something solely
within the barog of the organizational
structure of the BS Office of the
council president well that's what I
thought the last meeting how Corporation
Council said that we need to have a
legal um opinion on it do you seem going
clear I was very clear I don't mean
in
okay I think there would have to be some
consequence though I think that's what
the mayor is asking so I mean when I
look at um again I've only briefly
looked at this but it looks like we
would be saying okay someone will be
removing this person from our Chambers
and Roberts rules the borders cover a
lot which the way the council um 28 of
the code explains that uh Robert's rules
are what we abide by unless it's
otherwise so Robert's Rules covers
covers those things yes yes Mr fary and
I I would just say that this might not
be um I I don't see this necessarily as
a reactive thing this can kind of be a
proactive thing that reduces the
likelihood of us getting to that place
right so where people understand that
when you sign up you know you're not
just signing your name to speak on this
list you're signing your name to speak
on this list and there is a shared
understanding of how wom will conduct
themselves by speaking in this way and
this and if that's clearest among them
they're less likely to to make his point
to get way out of line and I think so
that there are things that have in
placed to address the people do that
behavior I think that this is a pretty
lowrisk way as long as it's
constitutionally sound a lowrisk way to
um uh minimize the rest of that
happen so B with the mar say we can just
um do that through the council so
willing to I still would want I would um
pass the language just to make sure if
Corporation Council is over with me to
make sure but I don't I don't think the
language that I am actually submitted
did not but just basically said you'll
abide by the source
so we will have that ready for the next
council
meeting any other questions or further
discussion on this
topic okay the last two items are for
executive session and um and then we
have to also bring back the discussion
of the water bikes so um I'll make a mo
I'll look for a motion go executive
session to talk about property sales and
also um the contract for the water bike
rental services I'll second all in favor
I so in executive session and members of
the public will have to leave
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