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[4:52] I'd like to call to ord connected city
[4:54] council committee meeting for
[4:56] Monday July 1st and mayor
[5:06] oh sorry
[5:09] sorry thank
[5:16] you
[5:18] thanks thank you
[5:31] want to reconvene the uh s the urban
[5:34] renewal
[5:36] agency uh have one item before us
[5:38] tonight the appointment a uh Contracting
[5:42] officer is required state law and then
[5:46] would in the next cycle entertain
[5:49] modifications to the
[5:52] bylaws so that council president has
[5:55] some issues on that staff has some
[5:57] issues to like other things to bring up
[6:00] to date along with this one particular
[6:03] component so at this point I for the
[6:06] intern would entertain a motion to
[6:08] appoint Alexander Carver as the
[6:11] Contracting officer for
[6:14] Surah mve
[6:16] by Patrick have a second seconded
[6:19] by Toro all in favor I I any oppos
[6:24] resolution carries uh five six I two abs
[6:33] anything else to come before the
[6:35] agency entertain a motion to adjourn
[6:38] Some Mo have a second second all in
[6:42] favor I any opposed agency stands
[6:56] journ um first I'd like to order against
[7:00] connected city council committee meeting
[7:01] for Monday July 1st and the first
[7:03] committee is health and
[7:05] Recreation yes hi um like to um call to
[7:09] order health and Recreation our first it
[7:11] we have two items on the agenda this
[7:12] evening the first item um is presented
[7:16] by Mr Williams it's a ceremonial
[7:17] resolution recognizing the youth
[7:19] auxiliary group called Al tari court
[7:22] number 28 Mr willians thank you so I
[7:24] think it's always a nice uh recognition
[7:26] for us to pause and just acknowledge the
[7:28] accomplishments of some of our youth
[7:29] within the city um so as you can read in
[7:32] our packet uh they they took the the
[7:35] pleasure of placing second in a recent
[7:37] competition Down Louisiana and then in
[7:39] addition to having their drill team come
[7:41] and do a mini drill for us the next
[7:44] Monday at all things uh work with their
[7:46] planning uh again I think it's nice to
[7:48] just U to just acknowledge and just
[7:51] appreciate the uh the achievements of
[7:53] our our younger individuals in the
[7:55] community excellent so um we
[8:00] we need a motion to to do so that's for
[8:07] motion okay dor second you me and all in
[8:12] favor I okay sorry about
[8:15] that okay the next item is a discussion
[8:18] a continued discussion of Central Park
[8:20] swimming pool fees hours and security um
[8:23] I put some materials in your packets um
[8:27] it was a lot to send out so I decided to
[8:29] just bring uh this evening and I would
[8:32] ask that people review it um what I did
[8:34] was look at our um missa Guilderland and
[8:38] Colony uh to look at what their fees are
[8:41] as well as their uh pool rules um
[8:44] there's some there's some things that
[8:46] are consistent and others that aren't um
[8:50] so I wanted to have a little bit of a
[8:51] discussion about this
[8:54] um Miss Yuna has uh three separate
[8:57] Seasons to their pool um and they also
[9:00] have um on their uh site they talk about
[9:03] rules for if swim meets are were going
[9:06] to happen um they have season
[9:09] passes um as does
[9:16] um as does the uh the Guilderland Town
[9:20] pool um and actually all three have
[9:24] season rates um and they're different
[9:26] between uh the rates very depending on
[9:30] whether how old a child is whether
[9:33] somebody's a senior whether it's an
[9:34] adult um so this is a lot of information
[9:37] I think we may have to um take a look at
[9:39] it and come back again um I'm hoping to
[9:42] have a meeting of the health and
[9:43] Recreation committee as well um before
[9:45] our next meeting um to review this uh
[9:48] this information again this is not the
[9:50] end all be all but it is the um
[9:52] municipalities that are around us
[9:53] there's no public pool um that I could
[9:57] find in Scotia or Glenville so jump in
[10:00] if I'm wrong there anybody from Scotia
[10:02] or lenville
[10:03] but but I think it's really important I
[10:05] think um what I've heard so far um from
[10:08] some some folks I've heard concerns that
[10:10] there's been children in the pool with
[10:13] diapers um I've heard concerns that
[10:15] there's been glass um containers in use
[10:20] um these are things that I don't think
[10:21] should be happening um so I think we
[10:24] definitely have to have some rules and
[10:26] have some posted rules the other side of
[10:28] that is the enforcement of those rules
[10:30] so again we have um youth employees uh
[10:35] that come to us through the Boys and
[10:36] Girls Club so all of this is are things
[10:39] that we need to take into consideration
[10:41] and I'd like to bring up at a health and
[10:43] Recreation uh meeting um and anyone
[10:46] would be welcome to attend as well but
[10:48] um we have to post that uh Etc so I will
[10:52] get around to doing that as well but
[10:54] does anybody have any comments or has
[10:56] anybody else been hearing any concerns
[11:00] um
[11:01] Mr so I actually have a question and
[11:03] probably it would probably be more for
[11:05] the mayor iny because you mentioned it
[11:06] Miss Patrick in terms of signage so um
[11:09] the signage would be separate apart from
[11:11] the fee thing so are we I know that we
[11:13] talked about a couple minuts ago about
[11:15] the signage so will there be signage uh
[11:18] we don't have to wait till we get
[11:19] through this process for the signage for
[11:20] the pool in terms of the rule there was
[11:22] signage that was put up initially then
[11:24] some of was modified in the last couple
[11:27] days that by understanding been put up I
[11:30] I've been up there to actually see if
[11:32] it's been up not as of today about 2 o'
[11:35] I didn't see any there
[11:37] um and and my other question was
[11:40] somebody will have a rough War tomorrow
[11:43] well I hope
[11:44] not um the other question was in terms
[11:47] of if we're going to be charging fees we
[11:49] have to talk about considering how that
[11:51] Staffing works right now there's a a
[11:53] person there from the Boys and Girls
[11:54] Club who is just taking names and ages
[11:57] we we would have to consider that um the
[11:59] town of Colones Park they actually have
[12:01] fobs key fobs for residents um so
[12:05] residents have to go to town hall to get
[12:07] the fob
[12:10] um also it's this idea of residents and
[12:15] in in all all of these cases a resident
[12:18] can bring a non-resident guest but it's
[12:21] not that a non-resident is getting into
[12:22] the pool without a resident hosting them
[12:26] um there's also um again you'll see that
[12:28] uh there could be a limit on the number
[12:30] of non-residents that a resident can
[12:33] bring to the pool um so these are all
[12:36] things that um we have to make decisions
[12:38] about um okay moving forward so I guess
[12:43] um I'll try to have a meeting of the
[12:44] health and Recreation committee I have
[12:46] to get with the other folks and um we'll
[12:48] have to come up with recommendations so
[12:49] I would ask that you review this Mr Rini
[12:52] did you have a comment I I I would I one
[12:55] of current rules the Boys and Girls Club
[12:57] have regards the
[13:00] and and then possibly you know they
[13:03] probably have um mechanisms to where a
[13:07] given membership they they serve many
[13:10] many youth in their clubs so they may
[13:12] have existing methods where they maybe
[13:15] take youth photos or and issue
[13:17] memberships we can inquire into what
[13:19] they're currently doing and see if any
[13:21] of those practices would work and if not
[13:24] look to some
[13:26] Alternatives and the Nisa is that for
[13:28] resident
[13:30] you know it's for
[13:32] um this is for residents okay yeah I
[13:36] thought it was kind of um neat that they
[13:38] also give their volunteer firefighters
[13:40] free season passes to the um again they
[13:43] don't get any compensation but I thought
[13:45] that was kind of cool as well in
[13:50] this Sorry Miss guro that's right I'm um
[13:53] I'm hoping that you can call this
[13:54] Committee of health and Recreation
[13:56] committee together as soon as possible I
[13:57] think it's imperative that we get some
[13:59] things in order over there um I heard a
[14:02] lot of things a lot of great things a
[14:03] lot of things that need addressing um
[14:06] it's it's definitely a welcomed resource
[14:10] in our community especially with the
[14:11] weather we've been having um says a lot
[14:14] about the fact that people are waiting
[14:15] to get in there but um there's just a
[14:18] lot of things that that you know have
[14:20] been um individuals have approached me
[14:24] with that that I think need to be
[14:25] addressed um the second thing is I would
[14:27] like to see if we can add a senior uh
[14:32] mornings um a senior special time to
[14:35] senior swim um I had quite a few emails
[14:38] and phone calls regarding that so the
[14:40] pool opens at noon every day from 11: to
[14:43] 12: um you know especially with the
[14:45] resistance pool there um and a lot of
[14:47] seniors like to get into the water so um
[14:50] I'd like to see that uh definitely
[14:52] moving forward and then you know have a
[14:54] discussion with the health and
[14:55] Recreation as far as the other things
[14:57] that are happening there at the pool
[14:59] okay well um again our committee is U
[15:02] myself um M Doro and Mr Farley so I'll
[15:05] be reaching out to you guys tomorrow um
[15:07] to try to get that in as soon as
[15:09] possible so that when we come back
[15:11] together on July 15th for a committee
[15:14] meeting um we our committee will make a
[15:16] recommendation to the the larger Council
[15:19] does that sound
[15:20] good okay anybody have any other
[15:23] thoughts or comments just follow Mr
[15:25] manini's
[15:27] comment kind of the standard that the
[15:29] boys and girls club used in the past is
[15:31] using this year is the city school
[15:35] district ID
[15:37] for uh kids going in so that they use
[15:41] that accting and as a uh reference for
[15:46] validating where they live and just who
[15:49] they
[15:53] are so I was just thinking that as we
[15:56] look at this I feel like being that this
[15:57] with new beautiful thing that we have
[16:00] happened in City work is again to Mr T
[16:02] welcome by the
[16:04] community I still want to get into a
[16:06] place where we start I still want to
[16:08] leave some room for us to be responsive
[16:10] to like what the needs of the community
[16:12] are so in other words like I think that
[16:14] there are some rules that are probably
[16:17] pre-existed the pool when you're in
[16:18] another location and sometimes it's not
[16:21] necessary about like implementing new
[16:23] rules but making sure the ones that are
[16:24] existing are followed with some level of
[16:26] fidelity so I would just um as we're
[16:28] thinking about what we could do at this
[16:30] schol we want to give ourselves some
[16:31] some autonomy here to say hey this is
[16:34] working well for the community and this
[16:36] isn't and I think that maybe it'd be
[16:38] wise for us to just know that as we
[16:40] enter this conversation that this might
[16:41] be something that comes up again and we
[16:43] should be expecting to maybe make some
[16:46] adjustments as it relas to as what we
[16:48] see come up I'll when I actually I'll
[16:51] call the boys and girls SP and see what
[16:53] the current rules um have been because I
[16:55] haven't done that yet so um I'll do that
[16:58] before I reached out to them okay yes so
[17:02] um again you have the rules they have
[17:06] they're in their
[17:08] Transit okay great yes I spoke to them
[17:11] as well and they are going to be sending
[17:12] that but my understanding there is
[17:14] already uh something underway for rules
[17:16] to be developed based on what the mayor
[17:19] said okay
[17:22] yes so I'm trying to confirm that the
[17:26] sign which has been printed should
[17:29] install I thought was going to
[17:30] happen last
[17:35] week I I just I just want to say that
[17:38] today when I was up at Central Park uh
[17:40] just walking into the park there was a
[17:42] young man coming towards me with a towel
[17:44] around his neck and I said Hey how do
[17:46] you like that pool and he said oh the
[17:48] pool's closed and I
[17:51] said no I don't think the pool's closed
[17:53] and it turned out he went to the old I
[17:56] said we have this like incredible new
[17:57] pool you need to turn around right now
[17:59] and go back to the pool but uh he he
[18:01] said it's getting a little late now I
[18:03] have to go
[18:04] home so obviously we need to get more
[18:06] promotion out there about the new pool
[18:08] as well um so I just want to say I mean
[18:12] I know that we have these other things
[18:13] that we need to do but overall to have
[18:15] the pool there I've been get a lot of
[18:17] really wonderful feedback there were
[18:19] lines and not necessarily one people
[18:21] waiting in the line but there there
[18:22] people were just excited about it so uh
[18:24] we'll iron up those details absolutely
[18:26] no to it's a fantastic thing I'm
[18:29] thrilled that we have it so Mr Williams
[18:32] uh just a point of clarification outside
[18:33] of the lifeguards are there any other
[18:35] guardians or just oversight figures
[18:37] there I think the only worry that I have
[18:38] is who's going to be responsible for
[18:41] implementing or like reinforcing some of
[18:42] these rules I think the expectation
[18:44] shouldn't be for like teenagers or
[18:46] college students to be calling out
[18:47] adults for not adhering to the to the
[18:50] expectations in the pool honey I'll
[18:52] defer to the mayor but my guess is that
[18:54] it's the boys and girls club uh
[18:56] lifeguards that are the people that are
[18:58] there and I I think we also are going to
[18:59] have to I mean obviously uh depending on
[19:02] the age of the child at least when you
[19:04] when you go through this an adult needs
[19:06] to be present with children um so one
[19:09] would hope that you know we would also
[19:12] um have our parents uh
[19:16] the following rules as well but
[19:18] currently the Boys and Girls Club you
[19:20] have to be um with the rules that
[19:21] they're using you have to be um if
[19:23] you're 13 and under or 12 and under so
[19:26] 13 and up you can be on your own but 12
[19:27] and under you have to be accompanied by
[19:29] a parent or Guardian that's a little
[19:31] older than some Mr Williams point the
[19:34] front line is the staff and boys and
[19:37] girls park supplemented with
[19:41] staff par department and the police
[19:50] department any other
[19:53] comments okay so I'll call from a motion
[19:56] to adjourn health and Recreation
[19:59] Mr second by Mr uh Mr Toro all in favor
[20:04] I thank you so let call to order the
[20:07] finance committee we have two items on
[20:09] the agenda tonight the first of which is
[20:11] a call for public hearing uh 2024 to
[20:13] 2025 annual action plan allocation
[20:16] that'll be spoken to by Miss
[20:20] Carter good evening city council so we
[20:23] received our annual allocation from HUD
[20:26] which is roughly 2.1 million
[20:29] we received 26 applications for this
[20:31] funding we have posted our proposed
[20:34] applications have been reviewed and we
[20:36] have prop we have posted our proposed
[20:39] allocation um to the website and in the
[20:41] Daily Gazette we are currently in our
[20:43] 30-day public comment period so today
[20:45] I'm here asking city council to please
[20:48] call for a public hearing on July 27th
[20:50] to discuss those proposed allocations
[20:53] thank you any questions or comments hear
[20:55] may have motion so move second I'll
[20:58] second those in favor hi uh the next
[21:01] item on agenda is the Continuum of Care
[21:03] contract with development of Broadway
[21:05] LLC buiness as District YMCA also this
[21:09] we have received our HUD allocation for
[21:11] a Continuum of Care for our 10 Beds
[21:14] which we partner with the Y MCA here in
[21:16] skincity which is roughly
[21:18] $887,000 so today I here asking city
[21:22] council um to give permission for the
[21:24] mayor or his deit me to go into contract
[21:27] with the Y to carry out
[21:29] this project thank you any other
[21:31] questions or comments he none I have
[21:33] motion so moved all those in
[21:36] favor are there any other items toall
[21:38] before the finance committee he none we
[21:41] have a motion to adjourn so move second
[21:43] all those in favor I we are this moment
[21:46] I'd like to call together government
[21:47] operations we have two items on the
[21:50] agenda today uh first being uh the
[21:53] renaming City street uh be Village Lane
[21:56] to Lane Mr Mr wall
[22:03] hello hello everyone so just a refresher
[22:07] uh I have the ordinance in front of me
[22:08] in July of 2021 the city accepted the
[22:12] ownership of a uh a roadway essentially
[22:15] an alley behind the liven concy project
[22:17] on Barrett Street uh and the name that
[22:20] came with the development was Barrett
[22:22] Village Lane um you know at the time
[22:25] there was not much into the name we just
[22:27] accepted it as is uh in the road with
[22:29] built to City standards and we move
[22:31] forward since that time uh I've been
[22:33] reached out to uh by the family uh who
[22:36] was around and who will probably speak
[22:37] in a moment and they have requested that
[22:40] the city look to uh change the name to
[22:43] Luigi Lane in uh commemoration of their
[22:46] grandfather father Uncle friend who
[22:49] operated uh the Luigi restaurant uh
[22:51] beginning in 1950 on the former site of
[22:53] where living connect is um just before I
[22:57] introduce uh Mike T one of the grand STS
[22:59] I just wanted to let you know that I did
[23:01] reach out and speak with the uh property
[23:04] owners of the uh conglomerate that was
[23:06] liven connect which is essentially um
[23:09] you know Dave buo and John roal of
[23:11] hybrid as this was a uh and uh they did
[23:14] not have any objections and in fact uh
[23:17] John Roth uh supported it as he said
[23:20] that his parents were a good friends of
[23:21] the legi and Abell and they always had a
[23:24] uh nice things to say about them and so
[23:26] I thought that that was nice just also
[23:28] to let you know um there are no uh
[23:30] residences on this street typically what
[23:33] you'll see uh in the city is that we do
[23:35] ceremonial resolutions uh for s name
[23:38] change and the reason for that is um to
[23:41] change the name of a street that has
[23:42] been in existence for 75 years would
[23:44] have a very large repercussion on the
[23:46] residents of that street as there are no
[23:49] residents on this street as it
[23:50] essentially is an alley um the naming of
[23:53] it uh would be actually changed so no
[23:56] two signs it would be one green sign
[23:58] sign uh so without that anymore I'd like
[24:01] to introduce Mike tyno and whoever else
[24:03] just to talk about and this is a call
[24:04] for public hearing I understand that
[24:06] they can come and talk at the public
[24:08] hearing but I did not want you to have
[24:10] no information going forward for your um
[24:13] uh support of this I'm sorry good
[24:16] evening I just wanted to uh take this
[24:18] moment to talk about my grandfather and
[24:20] why this is a viable name change not
[24:22] just for us but for the city um my
[24:26] family here and um my grandfather was
[24:29] the fifth of 11 children born to Luigi
[24:31] bagil senior and Angelo lazeri he was
[24:34] born in Pennsylvania while his parents
[24:35] lived and worked at a logging camp at 2
[24:38] years old they returned to Italy there
[24:40] he was only educated until the age of
[24:41] eight before he had to begin working to
[24:43] help support his family in 1938 at age
[24:46] 19 upset with fist Italy and the threat
[24:48] of a war looming he made a difficult
[24:50] decision to return to the United States
[24:52] this left this meant leaving behind his
[24:54] siblings and family that weren't US
[24:56] citizens he worked as a B in Manhattan
[24:59] for 4 years before being drafted into
[25:00] World War II in 1942 where he would
[25:03] serve in the Pacific after the war he
[25:05] reunited with many of the siblings and
[25:07] family who had then relocated his family
[25:10] he worked at the prestigious van carair
[25:12] hotel now known as connecting community
[25:14] colleges eston
[25:16] Hall he took his wages from the war and
[25:19] everything he had saved in searched for
[25:20] a restaurant of his own he looked into
[25:22] purchasing a restaurant called the
[25:23] Victoria on North J Street and it was
[25:25] there that he met my grandmother at Del
[25:27] Moret the restaurant was owned by my
[25:30] great-grandfather he used to joke that
[25:32] he went looking for a restaurant and
[25:33] ended up finding a wife my grandmother
[25:36] and her three brothers were born and
[25:37] raised on North J Street the gateway to
[25:39] skc's Little Italy in 1950 he purchased
[25:42] Stella's restaurant around the corner on
[25:44] Bar Street and renamed it Luigi's after
[25:46] himself with no formal education but a
[25:49] work ethic that began as a child he
[25:51] operated a successful restaurant during
[25:53] an exuberant period of sc's History
[25:56] Luigi's was a popular location for not
[25:58] just the residents and families of the
[25:59] city but also GE and Alco Executives
[26:01] Union professors and City officials
[26:04] through determination dedication and
[26:06] hard work he made his American dream a
[26:08] reality he had successful business with
[26:10] fathers six children 12 grandchildren
[26:12] had countless friends and was happily
[26:14] married for 48 years in 1981 he wly sold
[26:17] the restaurant and retired after doctors
[26:19] told him that he was literally working
[26:20] himself to death I'd like to briefly
[26:23] read a citation from his retirement
[26:25] ceremony that reiterates and reinforces
[26:27] some of the information I just
[26:30] share whereas Luigi bag Jr has recently
[26:34] retired from the restaurant business and
[26:35] has many friends have seen it fitting
[26:37] and proper to honor him at a testimonial
[26:39] dinner on this 27th day of October 1981
[26:42] in appreciation of his services to disc
[26:44] connected community and visions and
[26:46] whereas Luigi born in wels be
[26:48] Pennsylvania spent his boyhood in the
[26:50] hammer of cilia Italy where he learned
[26:52] his culinary art which he offered to his
[26:54] native country upon his return from
[26:56] Italy just before the entry of the
[26:57] United States in World War II and
[26:59] whereas although having a language
[27:01] barrier at the time Luigi attained the
[27:03] rank of Master Sergeant in the South
[27:05] Pacific where all the commissioned
[27:06] officers were killed Luigi was next in
[27:08] the chain of command and successfully
[27:11] led the remnants of a battalion of
[27:12] troops whereas Luigi's success would
[27:15] made possible because of Luigi's
[27:17] astuteness and picking Adele as his wife
[27:19] now be it resolve that I Frank J DUI May
[27:23] mayor of the city of skak New York site
[27:25] Luigi bag Jr for his contributions to
[27:28] his country and the City of skincity and
[27:30] wish him and Adele many years of
[27:31] peaceful and happy matrimonial Bliss be
[27:34] it further resolved that this citation
[27:36] be presented to Luigi bagioli by my UST
[27:39] illustrious predecessor former mayor
[27:42] Malcolm e Ellis who is one of Luigi's
[27:44] closest
[27:47] friends uh the name change will be a
[27:49] positive upgrade from the current street
[27:50] name and a way to memorialize a small
[27:53] piece of Sky history was also a fitting
[27:55] name to the Little Italy Sky
[27:56] neighborhood I hope I have your support
[27:58] and this renaming and thank the council
[27:59] for your time i' especially like to
[28:01] thank councilwoman Dar Doro and the
[28:03] mayor for supporting this proposal we
[28:05] pick on tonight's agenda and the city
[28:07] engineer Chris Wallen who has given me
[28:08] his time support and guidance thank you
[28:13] I think it's always important that
[28:14] anytime we get a chance to kind of
[28:16] highlight the legacy of people um our
[28:18] citizens we should do so especially this
[28:20] sounds like you know an amazing person
[28:22] qu who left quite a a large footprint in
[28:25] the community so I you know any other
[28:27] questions or com prise around
[28:29] this so I will Mr well I'd say I'd be
[28:33] remiss if I didn't say even just taking
[28:35] aside his military service your
[28:36] grandfather truly is the representation
[28:39] of just uh stepping forward and
[28:41] answering the call I think on top of
[28:43] that truly he represents the uh the good
[28:45] nature of the members of our community
[28:47] and skans and that they are hardworking
[28:49] tenacious uh very very looking for
[28:51] handouts willing to do the work and this
[28:52] truly is a reflection of all that so
[28:55] excited to see this this really is a is
[28:57] a nice a nice moment and I look forward
[28:59] to seeing us in portion thank
[29:01] you and I just would like to say I'm
[29:03] also happy to support this and glad we
[29:05] were able to move forward and U gave me
[29:07] the opportunity to have reunion with
[29:08] somebody I went to middle school
[29:11] with yeah I see some friends out and I
[29:14] school with as well definitely honoring
[29:17] him on with your presence today this is
[29:18] awesome so I would glad gladly accept
[29:20] the motion for the call public hearing
[29:22] so moved um second a I'll second that
[29:25] all those in favor I I okay thank you
[29:28] thanks again quickly just interject
[29:31] would you like the family is it
[29:33] appropriate to the family come to the
[29:34] public hearing and speak as well should
[29:36] they that's up to them I
[29:39] just because I I I didn't talk about
[29:42] public I just wanted to make sure
[29:43] because this is kind of on the rec but
[29:44] public hearing I'll talk to you about it
[29:46] after you guys kind of put that on there
[29:48] all right thank you have a good night
[29:49] thank you
[30:00] okay next on the agenda for government
[30:01] operations is a discussion city of SK
[30:04] Charter Charter regarding change of
[30:06] operating budget deadlines Mr Mayor
[30:08] thank you Mr chairman the draft proposal
[30:13] packet for your
[30:15] approval this parts of public hearing
[30:20] and the OB is actually put it on the
[30:23] ballot this November go before the
[30:25] voters for change in the charter
[30:28] um thank you Mr Mayor Mr uh uh Mr
[30:32] chairman this is um as you know that the
[30:35] uh there's no Provisions in our current
[30:38] Charter regarding what happens after
[30:40] November 1st looking at the charters of
[30:43] our surrounding cities the city of
[30:45] Albany the city detoy the city of
[30:47] Amsterdam they have procedures for for
[30:50] if something is not adopted and what you
[30:54] see before you is is the procedure from
[30:58] the city of Albany but also a tweet from
[31:00] the city of Amsterdam on how the process
[31:03] goes forward if the budget is not uh
[31:06] adopted by the uh the date of November
[31:09] 1st and you see as it goes back it goes
[31:11] through the entire legislative process
[31:14] if the budget isn't adopted then the
[31:17] mayor's proposed budget is is is uh is
[31:22] adopted if the council
[31:24] adds amendments if those amendments
[31:27] aren't
[31:28] uh done under taken acted upon by
[31:31] November
[31:33] 10th
[31:35] um the the honoral force November 10th
[31:40] and uh if not mayor may v one or more of
[31:43] the proposed amendments the mayor fails
[31:46] to act on those proposed amendments then
[31:49] the budget as amended by the city
[31:51] council comes the budget and if the if
[31:54] the budget is if mayor does veto it
[31:58] honor before November 20th the city
[32:00] council May override mayor's V all one
[32:03] more of its proposed amendments the
[32:05] council overrides the mayor's be in the
[32:08] city operating budget with any item so
[32:10] overridden together with any change not
[32:12] Beed by mayor mayor shall be deemed
[32:15] adopted and failure by the city council
[32:18] to act on the mayor's veto by November
[32:20] 20th shall result in the adoption of the
[32:22] operating budget along with any
[32:24] amendments not previously veto by the
[32:26] mayor so there's a process back and
[32:28] forth was with the councel and the mayor
[32:31] both going back and forth given the time
[32:33] to act upon the budget so by November
[32:37] 20th which is around Thanksgiving give
[32:39] or t the budget process is
[32:42] complete tax bills can be prepared
[32:45] Equalization rates Etc all those other
[32:48] things that have to be done is taken
[32:51] care of by the end of by the end of you
[32:53] know November so it goes back and forth
[32:56] now because we're dealing with changing
[33:00] the roles and procedures between the
[33:02] mayor and and the uh and the council
[33:05] this has to go to a mandatory
[33:08] referendum amending the city Charter and
[33:11] it's affecting the roles between the
[33:14] council and the mayor um and therefore
[33:17] it's subject to a mandatory
[33:20] referendum um as the mayor indicated
[33:23] that in order to get this there has to
[33:25] be public hearings and and then
[33:28] eventually adoption by the city council
[33:31] signed into law by the mayor subject to
[33:34] referendum this has to go over to the uh
[33:37] Court of election 60 days before the
[33:39] general election which
[33:40] is so just giving you a overview of of
[33:45] the process um it's really through the
[33:48] summer um going through the process and
[33:52] having the public hearings looking at
[33:54] this final adoption for the we going
[33:59] going over to the board of elections in
[34:01] September
[34:02] 3 and that will not affect this year's
[34:05] budget process but will affect
[34:09] 2025 budget year subse
[34:13] Years thank you questions comments on
[34:16] this so tonight you just so tonight
[34:19] you're just providing this for us to
[34:20] take a look at it to provide
[34:24] feedback right and I know you said so
[34:26] essentially the timeline is would have
[34:28] to have it to the Board of Elections by
[34:29] September 5th that's so council could
[34:32] start to make a call for the public
[34:34] hearing you could call to the public
[34:36] hearing on this proposal if you wish to
[34:39] have the public hearing public hearing
[34:40] will be on the
[34:41] 22nd according to the uh Municipal home
[34:44] rule law because the city was connected
[34:47] has a strong executive mayor with veto
[34:49] power the mayor has it's mandated to
[34:52] hold a public hearing uh himself on on
[34:55] the on the proposal so the council made
[34:58] to do so and the uh the mayor is
[35:00] required to do so according to the
[35:03] municipal home
[35:05] R um so I'd like to like spend a little
[35:10] bit more time like looking at it and
[35:13] um because well I'm just at at first
[35:16] blush you know when I'm first looking at
[35:19] it I just need more time to look at it
[35:21] how to say that and I just wanted to
[35:24] also just to be clear so I know like
[35:26] there's three ways to um amend the
[35:28] charter so we have this one because of
[35:29] what it is has to be referendum
[35:31] absolutely okay has to be referendum
[35:34] because you're dealing with powers the
[35:36] two
[35:42] branches and so if we had a call for a
[35:45] public hearing would the public hearing
[35:46] would be based on what you're providing
[35:47] to us tonight is that correct
[35:51] okay I'm comfortable calling for a
[35:53] public hearing I mean I I would have to
[35:55] say that
[35:57] I don't know about the rest of you but I
[35:59] had some sleepless nights last year um
[36:01] in terms of really worried about what
[36:03] was going to happen if we hadn't passed
[36:05] the budget by the end of um 2023 and
[36:09] going into January I was worried about
[36:11] both
[36:12] our the functioning of the city our
[36:15] employees uh security Etc so I think
[36:19] this is a uh a good idea I think that it
[36:22] will um Force us as a group to be more
[36:25] accountable as well um so in terms of
[36:29] opinion um my opinion would be that this
[36:32] this is a a good thing for us to be to
[36:34] be doing so um I don't have a problem
[36:37] you know it's um calling for the public
[36:40] hearing but um if we have to wait get
[36:44] that too that's my two sents yeah Mr
[36:48] thank you so you know when we received
[36:50] this last week so I did have a chance to
[36:52] look it over read it over and made a few
[36:53] notes I'm very comfortable as well uh
[36:56] because of the situation that we into
[36:58] last year even with our tax bills
[36:59] getting out late um you know residents
[37:01] were concerned um people were calling
[37:03] constantly am I going to get a charge so
[37:06] anyway I I I think it's something that
[37:07] we really need to
[37:09] do moving forward as soon as possible
[37:12] sure president I agree that we
[37:14] definitely have to put something in
[37:15] place um I don't necessarily agree that
[37:18] this as it is written uh because
[37:21] essentially if we didn't pass the budget
[37:23] then it would automatically go back to
[37:25] the mayor's budget I don't um you know
[37:28] we as a council part of our
[37:29] responsibility is to pass the budget so
[37:32] if we have concerns or we want to make
[37:33] changes if if the if it automatically
[37:36] goes back to the mayor's budget that any
[37:38] amendments that we would have had would
[37:40] necessarily kind of disappear so I'm not
[37:43] I'm not 100% comfortable that it
[37:44] automatically goes back to the mayor's
[37:46] budget I would entertain it going back
[37:47] to the prior Year's budget which means
[37:50] that we all have a say and how what the
[37:53] budget was until we can um work through
[37:55] any amendments but I wouldn't I wouldn't
[37:58] automatically um um just defer back to
[38:00] the to the utive budget VAR by the mayor
[38:03] so I want to take a little bit more time
[38:04] to look through that talk um talk to our
[38:06] Corporation Council about all the things
[38:08] that are in here just need to be able to
[38:10] make sure um as we move forward Mr Mayor
[38:15] again I have to submit it by October 1st
[38:18] the council has the month of October to
[38:20] act on not adopted by November
[38:24] 1st last over half century council is
[38:28] always able to come to some agreement
[38:29] with the mayor and the council last year
[38:31] we didn't so I don't
[38:33] know again this is just codifying
[38:38] process that eliminates any ambiguity
[38:41] and puts everybody under a little bit of
[38:44] pressure I understand
[38:46] you're ping this to look at it
[38:49] and there are some changes hopefully get
[38:53] them out in a day or two to the council
[38:56] so we can make those changes move ahead
[38:58] with the public area so it seems like
[39:00] good thing is that you know throughout
[39:02] that process which I think we all
[39:04] learned learned some things and I think
[39:06] that um you know as somebody who was was
[39:09] working extremely hard to make sure that
[39:11] we could kind of meet each other where
[39:12] we were at and and get a budget pass
[39:14] which we ultimately did um I think that
[39:17] the need for this is is is clear and
[39:19] there's a some consensus among the group
[39:21] that there's a that that there's a need
[39:23] here um to president Porter fil's Point
[39:26] um and kind into what been indicated by
[39:28] uh Corporation Council that this is
[39:31] something that really impacts the checks
[39:33] and balances of how we operate so I
[39:36] think that um uh careful consideration
[39:38] is not only a good idea but it's
[39:40] definitely warranted in this case so I
[39:42] think that you know we we do that and to
[39:44] the mayor's point we just do that um uh
[39:48] as as fast as we can um where we're not
[39:51] uh impacting the Integrity of of the
[39:53] process itself so any other thoughts on
[39:56] that Mr Miss i i would support moving it
[39:59] to a public hearing I think these
[40:01] additions put in the necessary
[40:03] guardrails to avoid what happened last
[40:05] year so I would be in support of moving
[40:07] this forward um this clearly is giving
[40:09] us kind of a timeline that we need to
[40:12] adhere to so I'm in support of it I
[40:15] would also kind of rais the point that
[40:17] to I agree that um about the necessary
[40:20] guard rails um I think that what this
[40:23] would do at the level of the text um
[40:25] will definitely put in place those guard
[40:26] rails I think that we can uh end up in a
[40:29] place where we have the same guard rails
[40:30] and still hold ourselves to that level
[40:32] of accountability but if there's any
[40:33] concerns or questions or maybe um some
[40:37] scenarios that we haven't had
[40:39] opportunity to play out I think uh in
[40:41] consultation with uh Corporation Council
[40:43] um and a research that's going to be
[40:44] done by as members I think would be a
[40:46] good thing to do for for something this
[40:48] nature but good thing that we all agree
[40:50] that something doesn't happen Mr
[40:52] Williams and for the sake of commenting
[40:54] I think you put it accurately he said
[40:55] careful consideration I think when ever
[40:57] we can um meet other council members
[41:00] where they stand with having further
[41:01] questions or wanting to digest
[41:03] information I think as long as it
[41:05] doesn't come at the expense of the
[41:06] timeline and I think already and I
[41:08] applaud the mayor for ensuring that this
[41:11] topic was on our discussion prior to us
[41:12] entering this upcoming budget season
[41:15] Corporation Council correct me if I'm
[41:16] wrong we have time I don't foresee this
[41:20] exhausting all the time up until
[41:22] September 5th but I think allowing 2
[41:24] weeks or or or I think that is more than
[41:27] appropriate and I do not think that
[41:28] comes at the expense of us passing this
[41:31] collectively um but yet again I I think
[41:33] meeting counsel is where they are regard
[41:34] regardless the topic again as long as it
[41:36] doesn't come at the expense of us
[41:39] passing a set item I don't think that's
[41:42] an
[41:43] issue any other comments questions
[41:46] around
[41:47] this okay so i' I'd like to to have that
[41:51] time to take and and bring it back in
[41:53] two weeks and make the decisions and I'm
[41:54] just I'm not ready to move it to a
[41:56] public hearing the way it is based right
[41:58] here what on the agenda discuss sure I
[42:01] just was wondering what your concern is
[42:03] my concern as I stated is that when if
[42:05] we don't pass the budget that
[42:07] automatically goes back to the mayor's
[42:08] budget and then I feel like then we've
[42:11] kind of given up our shed our
[42:12] responsibility in terms of putting forth
[42:14] the budget because no wa to I'm just
[42:17] saying because then any concerns or any
[42:20] changes that we want to make would not
[42:21] take place if it didn't happen like
[42:24] that and it's a scenario where if if we
[42:29] went through it last year it kept
[42:30] getting pushed back to us and kept
[42:32] pushed back and that if that timeline
[42:34] plays out then it automatically goes
[42:36] back to the mayor's budget and I think
[42:38] that a budget that involves all of us
[42:40] having say in it is the type of budget
[42:42] that we want and this in this scenario
[42:46] it does not work out like that so I want
[42:48] to look at it and see how we could
[42:50] change some of this so that the council
[42:52] does what it is been members are elected
[42:55] to do which is to help pass up
[42:57] and we have to have some we have to have
[42:59] some say on what that budget looks like
[43:01] if we're going to not just pass
[43:03] it those are my
[43:07] concerns so we will have a say in what
[43:11] gets passed because of the timeline um I
[43:15] also want to not to bring up arguments
[43:17] from last year but again I think we need
[43:20] to understand that our department heads
[43:23] work very closely with their expertise
[43:26] and their their experience on the
[43:28] budgets that they then present to the
[43:30] mayor uh and then they kind of go back
[43:32] and forth so um I think we will have
[43:36] input we would have input into the
[43:38] budget it just holds our feet to the
[43:41] fire um in a way that I think is
[43:43] appropriate given what happened last
[43:45] year so um I'm not on this subcommittee
[43:48] I would encourage the committee to you
[43:50] know move forward with the public
[43:52] hearing because I think we have all the
[43:54] information right here and I think that
[43:56] um Corporation Council indicated that
[43:58] Aly and Troy and Amsterdam have similar
[44:02] language in their um in their um yes
[44:07] they're all similar Lang where they have
[44:08] this process where they when's adopted
[44:11] goes to the council override Etc it's
[44:14] all this process okay so um hearing what
[44:19] everyone's point of view is I think that
[44:22] right now we're in a pretty good place
[44:23] where we can um allow members of the
[44:27] council who might have you know cuz
[44:29] right now we're basing on what's in
[44:30] front of us right here correct maybe
[44:32] there's some other um uh suggestions or
[44:35] input that that can kind of uh bring us
[44:38] together in in a point of agreement so I
[44:40] would really uh being with the timeline
[44:43] what it is I think that you know we
[44:45] really should give that opportunity to
[44:47] any council members who um want to look
[44:49] at this a little more closely or maybe
[44:51] introduce some different ideas and again
[44:53] it won't impact our timeline it's the
[44:55] good thing is that we all are an
[44:57] agreement that something needs to happen
[44:59] um and I think that the conversation um
[45:02] will be a more productive and beneficial
[45:05] one if we're saying you know what this
[45:07] is something that maybe I think that we
[45:08] can consider so I just you know being
[45:10] that you know we don't lose anything by
[45:13] uh the due diligence of the council
[45:15] members to kind of look at this and and
[45:17] maybe look at other uh options that can
[45:20] get us to the same place so with that uh
[45:22] I will just um you know I W call for the
[45:26] public hearing right now I don't think
[45:27] we need to do that what we'll do is uh
[45:30] you know and not that I would ever
[45:32] firste Us in uh set situation that that
[45:34] we've been in before but I think it is
[45:36] our responsibility as a council to again
[45:38] have some guard rails in place and I
[45:39] think that this will do that and and we
[45:41] need to give our our teammates the
[45:43] opportunity to um cuz this is a really
[45:46] significant substantial decision and I
[45:49] think it definitely requires again some
[45:51] careful consideration and as long as
[45:53] it's not impacting the timeline what do
[45:54] we lose by giving our colleagues the
[45:56] opportunity to Del deeper maybe come up
[45:58] with some something that that that might
[46:00] even fit better for us than it does for
[46:02] some of our uh surrounding
[46:06] municipalities any other thoughts or
[46:08] questions on that President P I would
[46:09] just ask that Mr um O'Brien if you could
[46:12] just um provide for us the other um
[46:16] municipalities information where this
[46:17] was derived from yes that was to be part
[46:20] of the consideration right that wouldn't
[46:22] be a problem all right thank you but um
[46:25] just to be mindful of you know the
[46:28] timelines a veto and overriding the time
[46:30] if you're over going to override The
[46:32] veto of the mayor whatever you come to
[46:34] and goes to the mayor and it's veto you
[46:37] have 30 days in which to override The
[46:39] veto and I think at that point you have
[46:41] to be mindful of the time absolutely I
[46:44] think y I think that we understand that
[46:46] you know any you know if president P
[46:49] fail if mrini is saying that hey we want
[46:51] to look at this I think that I would
[46:53] encourage all our council members to do
[46:54] so you know as quickly as POS possible
[46:57] as long as you're you know again not
[46:59] compromising the Integrity of the
[47:00] decision that you arrive at because this
[47:01] is a pretty consequential piece of
[47:03] legislation so um
[47:06] yeah
[47:08] so with that I will and and uh we'll
[47:12] bring this back in 2 weeks
[47:15] well sure we can BR back in two weeks if
[47:18] that's if that's well we have to well
[47:20] know what I would say is that if we um
[47:23] the mayor was saying you know in a
[47:25] couple days uh hopefully we could you
[47:27] have something to to him to you know for
[47:30] his consideration or for a larger
[47:32] consideration with the group I was going
[47:33] to say when we say we'll bring it back
[47:35] in two weeks that doesn't mean that we
[47:36] won't do our due diligence within that
[47:38] timeline no we'll definitely do our due
[47:40] diligence and we want to make sure like
[47:42] this is a change to our Charter it's
[47:44] significant um and U we want to make
[47:46] sure that all council members actually I
[47:48] know that Mr is absent today and
[47:50] sometimes that happens but this would
[47:51] also give him time to um to be able to
[47:54] provide any input and um can I also just
[47:57] say that as this was brought up I took
[47:59] the opportunity to look at the CH
[48:01] Charter in its entirety and it might
[48:03] just be time for an overall uh revision
[48:06] of the chart because some of the even
[48:07] some of the language in there like a
[48:09] constable we haven't had conable I can't
[48:11] tell you when so this might be a time
[48:12] where us you know it came up and I'm
[48:14] said well let me look at this and uh so
[48:16] maybe we may want to look at the entire
[48:18] Charter and make sure that everything is
[48:20] as it should be not this time though I
[48:22] mean just P
[48:24] moment but there is a process with a
[48:26] revision and I think that we should
[48:28] really consider doing that to make sure
[48:30] that our Charter um meets what today's
[48:32] standards are actually need in today's
[48:34] language so just want to um also include
[48:37] that so we'll bring this back incl weeks
[48:40] appreciate everyone's input uh I'll
[48:41] accept a motion to ajour government
[48:43] operations so more I'll second that all
[48:45] favor I we are
[48:48] adjourn
[48:50] okay I'd like to call the order City
[48:53] development and planning we have nine
[48:55] items on the agenda
[48:58] done and the first is the award the
[49:00] bidden contract to Connected little
[49:02] league and car street fencing
[49:04] improvements Mr
[49:14] Waller hello
[49:16] and working with the connect little
[49:20] league and the neighborhood association
[49:23] that is working on carry Street Park the
[49:25] city put out a a joint fencing bid um
[49:29] the bid is for uh fencing improvements
[49:32] uh mostly just replacement of fencing at
[49:36] the conc Little League which is Oregon
[49:38] Avenue Fields as well as a replacement
[49:40] and installation of fencing on the carry
[49:42] Street Park along the basketball court
[49:45] and the playground um we received three
[49:47] bids the low bid was byal construction
[49:51] um we did call five references including
[49:53] a reference in the city of Albany for a
[49:56] here that we work with all the
[49:57] references came back fine um we are
[50:00] looking to award all of the alternates
[50:02] as it was in budget and the budget will
[50:04] be split between arpa funding that was
[50:06] set aside for Lo League improvements and
[50:09] Facilities funding as the park is not
[50:12] part of
[50:15] the so um in terms of the organ Avenue
[50:18] and I know that's where the arpa money
[50:19] is so this is the fencing but is there
[50:21] other are there other things that are
[50:23] also going to be happening in addition
[50:25] to that I know it's part of this correct
[50:28] yes so now that we have our budget
[50:30] number we wanted to see what the budget
[50:32] number was so when we received this uh
[50:35] since it was under the budget that we
[50:36] had we then issued a PO for a new
[50:39] scoreboard so the scoreboard is actually
[50:41] ordered it was underneath the the value
[50:44] we needed to bid so the scoreboard is
[50:46] ordered uh City forces have been there
[50:48] we've repaired some of their uh septic
[50:50] issues they have had volunteers uh
[50:53] donate time to help with the roofs um we
[50:55] are also working working with them on um
[50:58] other projects as as the clearing of the
[51:00] fields um I believe I don't have the
[51:03] list in front of me but there is a quite
[51:05] a long list of things that we're looking
[51:07] at trying to accomplish with a mixture
[51:09] of In-House and Contract Services most
[51:12] of the things we think we can get done
[51:14] with Rewritten quotes as it's under
[51:17] 35,000 but this fencing was the one that
[51:19] we knew would be the biggest value item
[51:22] so that's why we bit it and didn't move
[51:23] forward with anything until we had these
[51:25] numbers thank you any other question yes
[51:28] Mr Toro I'd like to personally thank Mr
[51:30] Wen and fr Fred masani they've been
[51:33] working diligently on the Oregon Avenue
[51:36] um and I know it's there are little tiny
[51:38] things knockout things and there's a lot
[51:40] of work that goes into getting the bids
[51:42] on all these little things but thank you
[51:44] very much and I I I know they're very
[51:45] appreciative of everything that's
[51:47] happening over there so thank
[51:48] you any other questions comments and a
[51:52] motion so uh so move I'll second I'll
[51:56] favor I I thank you thank you Mr
[52:00] R the uh next item on the agenda is a
[52:03] presentation for water bik rental
[52:06] services Mr
[52:10] Leon good evening um the CH PR you is a
[52:14] proposal or presentation um which will
[52:16] be given by uh Patricia Reed she is the
[52:19] owner of um PC Waterworks I believe it
[52:22] is and she is the best one to be able to
[52:25] answer questions with regards to to what
[52:26] is she's proposing to do in central part
[52:30] with regards Dependable um remits so I'd
[52:34] like P to come up you can answer any of
[52:36] your questions we be regard to do um her
[52:48] operation hi
[52:50] everybody my name is w and that's my
[52:53] husband de Wade uh we be trying to open
[52:57] our business since uh June
[53:01] 2022 uh the city connected requested
[53:05] everything uh from us and we submitted
[53:09] everything needed so I'll just explain
[53:13] what we trying to
[53:21] do so PC water rights
[53:25] LC we like to bring a new business to
[53:29] Central
[53:31] Parks
[53:33] PC water right LC will be part of
[53:37] the for the community it bring more
[53:42] fun can C it's a rental business we'll
[53:47] be renting our three wheel tricle water
[53:52] bike
[53:54] ped to customers will be we would love
[53:58] to have the opportunity to bring more
[54:02] positivity to the city of SC Central
[54:05] Park by bring a new business that other
[54:08] parks in this capital region doesn't
[54:11] have since this is a season of business
[54:15] will be
[54:16] opening 7 days a week from 11:00 a.m. to
[54:20] 700 p.m. due to inflation PC laser water
[54:25] rights will be
[54:27] charging $10 per person for 20 minutes
[54:30] right but the
[54:31] customers have a choice to choose how
[54:36] long they want to rent a water
[54:40] ride so for that reason we asking for
[54:45] city of SK to give us the opportunity
[54:47] and the chance to open this new
[54:51] bu all right I'll start I have a
[54:53] question so are you doing this business
[54:55] any place else at this time
[54:56] no so this would be the first time that
[54:59] you do this will be the first time we're
[55:00] doing business um you did mention that
[55:03] you've been trying to do this with us
[55:05] since 2022 can you tell me a little
[55:07] about that since
[55:09] 2022 uh I came to the city of sced to us
[55:13] to see how I can operate the buildings
[55:16] in Central Park and that was given the
[55:18] information that I had to speak to Mr
[55:21] Paul which I sent all the paperwork and
[55:25] the business plan to Mr Po and he been
[55:30] communicating with me and then he gave
[55:33] the paper to
[55:36] Mr will I was working with him then I
[55:40] was told this year he's no longer
[55:42] working for the city of connected so we
[55:44] had to go back to PO so I had to start
[55:47] from the beginning so thank God PA been
[55:51] calling me and communicating with me
[55:53] letting me know what I need uh and what
[55:56] needed for us to be able to open the
[56:03] business um and also in your business
[56:05] plan it says that you would be the only
[56:06] you only have one staff person doing
[56:08] this could you found a little bit say
[56:11] that again how many staff people would
[56:13] be present at be only just me and my
[56:16] husband at this
[56:20] for Mr manini I was almost expecting to
[56:23] see the paddle boats that I'm used to
[56:25] see yes so I have that cuz I know
[56:29] everybody will think like it's the
[56:30] regular P Bo this is something different
[56:33] that nobody has that's why we try to
[56:37] bring
[56:39] to yeah so it's something like this
[56:42] right now I see I know when I when I was
[56:44] open I was expecting when I saw the P
[56:47] typical P that lower to the this is how
[56:51] it works as you can see the video I
[56:53] think that's cool
[56:56] very go do you ever see this how here
[57:01] are they any more less safe than the
[57:04] than the typical ones
[57:06] were accustomed to seeing or more
[57:08] difficult to navigate say that again the
[57:11] the typ the paddle BS that I've seen you
[57:13] know the one you one the old one the
[57:16] one so these are there are there any
[57:18] more risk of it tip in or more difficult
[57:21] to navigate no you just R like you
[57:23] sitting in like a bik but you sitting
[57:25] down just that's right they just Way co
[57:28] you yeah I like that so this is a
[57:31] new a new
[57:34] one so we asking for the city of SK the
[57:38] opportunity to bring this building to
[57:40] Central Park Miss Patrick yes so I just
[57:43] wanted to ask about um life jackets I
[57:46] wanted to ask about liability um in
[57:48] terms of the City versus um the owner of
[57:50] the company um as well as again back to
[57:54] the rules discussion that we were having
[57:56] about the pool I mean what would be the
[57:58] age limit in terms of how old would
[58:01] someone need to be to be able to uh get
[58:05] this that you're going to get into
[58:07] negotiating terms and conditions the
[58:09] contract that it should be done in the
[58:11] executive session most a generic
[58:14] conversation than public session any the
[58:17] details would more appropriate in
[58:19] executive session Madam chair I would I
[58:22] would yes I would say that we're going
[58:24] to go going discussions about the terms
[58:27] and conditions of The Proposal as
[58:29] proposed we should go into an executive
[58:31] section but I I'll just tell the council
[58:35] that the uh any charges for the rental
[58:37] to Pedal shall be set by resolution of
[58:39] the city
[58:41] council sorry did you say that
[58:44] again fees for the rental of pedal boats
[58:47] shall be set by resolution by the city
[58:49] council in other words the city council
[58:52] sets the race whether whether this was a
[58:56] the operated function or private
[58:59] operator function the ordinance is clear
[59:02] that the city council sets the rate and
[59:05] that's to
[59:08] 18621 sub B and also there's another
[59:12] section of the uh of the of the the city
[59:16] code under uh cods for public
[59:19] use um the charge for use of a boat or a
[59:22] canoe shall be set by resolution of the
[59:24] city council at the time it approves it
[59:26] Contractor License so it's quite clear
[59:29] and that those were all done by you know
[59:31] resolution back in
[59:33] 2017 as amended previously so the rates
[59:37] are not set by the vendor the rates are
[59:40] set by you so I think at this point
[59:42] we're going to get into the proposal in
[59:45] detail and we probably should do that
[59:47] executive session because that's the
[59:48] terms and conditions that we're going to
[59:50] Grant the license for the use of
[59:53] facility City facility so the question
[59:56] about life jacket does that something
[59:57] does that need to be there or those kind
[59:59] of things can those life jacket it's uh
[1:00:02] it's the proposal has that and then also
[1:00:04] it's also covered our city code what is
[1:00:07] required but I don't want to get too
[1:00:09] much a deep dive to all the sections
[1:00:12] that particular proposal well miss
[1:00:14] Patrick just had a question about the
[1:00:15] life jackets and is is that going be are
[1:00:17] they going to be
[1:00:18] available life jackets we'll be
[1:00:20] providing the last Jack to all H thank
[1:00:23] you
[1:00:26] Williams uh so first I wanted to say um
[1:00:29] definitely excited to hear about a new
[1:00:30] Venture I think connectivity definitely
[1:00:32] thrives on a small businesses you know
[1:00:34] often times requires them to maintain uh
[1:00:36] the viability of our community I did
[1:00:38] have a few questions you mentioned that
[1:00:40] it was going to be $10 for 20 minutes I
[1:00:42] see in the pricing structure
[1:00:45] hopefully all right cool U so I didn't
[1:00:47] know if there was a guess 20 minutes and
[1:00:49] 30 minutes but so we can discuss that
[1:00:51] later also in your contract it said that
[1:00:53] You' pay a fee of $250 you
[1:00:57] mind even if she presented
[1:01:00] that negotiating contract well mean not
[1:01:03] negotiating getting a definition of
[1:01:04] where she came from I think you know we
[1:01:06] can bring that back if the council wish
[1:01:08] should negotiate with that we can put
[1:01:11] that right prop vendor
[1:01:15] concern so the question is with their
[1:01:19] for the general question what's what's
[1:01:21] the proposal on
[1:01:24] now say how much you how much you you
[1:01:27] want to pay the
[1:01:28] city
[1:01:30] well you ask me up $0000 by the
[1:01:33] city okay you proposed 250 let's start
[1:01:36] there no I didn't propose anything told
[1:01:40] me that I have to pay
[1:01:42] $250 so that that didn't come from me
[1:01:45] that was told by the city that I have to
[1:01:47] pay
[1:01:49] $250 now okay understood and then last
[1:01:51] question about that I thought it came
[1:01:54] from the OWN
[1:01:56] say once
[1:01:57] again if we have any concerns about
[1:01:59] proposal perhaps we can do that
[1:02:02] executive session and we can reach out
[1:02:04] to the proposed vendor with their
[1:02:06] concerns and I guess a final question in
[1:02:09] um timeline should we approve it uh how
[1:02:12] fast will you be able to implement that
[1:02:13] are you thinking about this season and
[1:02:15] do you already have the
[1:02:17] equipment I was like way I said the
[1:02:19] paper I was try to open this as soon as
[1:02:22] possible like I put it in writing was
[1:02:24] supposed to be June 3D but as you see
[1:02:28] June so i' been waiting so I was happy
[1:02:30] to receive a phone call from Mr PA when
[1:02:32] he called me like oh you forget me so so
[1:02:37] now we are in July as soon as possible
[1:02:40] cuz at this point we only have like what
[1:02:43] July August it be like two months cuz
[1:02:46] the city asked that the uh bo have to be
[1:02:50] out the water before uh September 3rd or
[1:02:54] after September 3rd
[1:02:57] so we only have like two months but you
[1:03:01] do have equipment already though yes we
[1:03:02] have the equipment already everything is
[1:03:05] set up oh okay that okay thank you so um
[1:03:09] I think there are some questions though
[1:03:11] that the council has that we would have
[1:03:13] to address those in the executive
[1:03:17] session so um there's Council has other
[1:03:20] questions and we're going to have to
[1:03:21] talk more about that in executive
[1:03:22] session because it it has to do with the
[1:03:25] contract and we can't
[1:03:26] that publicly okay okay so is the city
[1:03:29] going to send me the contract or what I
[1:03:32] well depends on the decision comes out
[1:03:34] executive session but you you'll the
[1:03:36] short answer as you'll be contacted
[1:03:38] about what the decision is okay all
[1:03:40] right thank you for the opportunity all
[1:03:42] right thank you for coming you thank you
[1:03:44] for your time thank you thank you thank
[1:03:50] you all right um the next one is the
[1:03:55] riew for the amendments to the city code
[1:03:58] um and proposed change to the City
[1:04:00] conect Historic District ordinance and
[1:04:03] the public was on June 24th
[1:04:07] 2024 and all of you have that in your
[1:04:09] packet um in addition to that you also
[1:04:14] one there
[1:04:15] was there was one piece of legislation
[1:04:18] of the legislation that um there were we
[1:04:22] received
[1:04:23] emails and email and also someone came
[1:04:26] to speak at the public hearing and they
[1:04:28] followed that up with the email as well
[1:04:30] and it had to do with the um number of
[1:04:33] people on the
[1:04:34] [Music]
[1:04:35] commission as far as I know that was the
[1:04:37] only area of concern that was brought up
[1:04:39] at the public hearing um what I did take
[1:04:43] a look at is uh all of our other boards
[1:04:47] that we have and essentially most boards
[1:04:49] with the exception of the um the board
[1:04:52] of assessment review which meets just a
[1:04:54] few weeks to um to for assessments and
[1:04:57] then the ethics board which meet seems
[1:05:00] like every uh every decade um they have
[1:05:03] five but everything else has between
[1:05:04] seven and nine and um if you would just
[1:05:08] in your packet you have the input from
[1:05:10] the individuals
[1:05:14] who unan part of the grp that
[1:05:16] unanimously um voted to try to keep it
[1:05:19] at 7 and um just want to have some
[1:05:22] discussion around that in terms of that
[1:05:25] and and you know how we how we move
[1:05:28] forward I did um I did have a discussion
[1:05:30] with Miss caror to explain um you know
[1:05:33] how I I saw this but I'd like to open
[1:05:36] this up to the council for discussion
[1:05:38] because uh at the public hearing that
[1:05:40] was the only concern that was brought up
[1:05:43] as part of this
[1:05:46] um as part of this amendment to the
[1:05:50] ordinance
[1:05:51] so yes Mr to um I I would go on the
[1:05:55] advice of of the historic commission um
[1:05:57] they've been doing this job a long time
[1:05:59] for many years having a business and a
[1:06:02] home both in historic uh districts here
[1:06:04] in the city I appreciate everything they
[1:06:06] do keeping things
[1:06:09] um keeping things uh true to to their
[1:06:13] their past um my feeling is if they
[1:06:16] think seven uh would would always uh
[1:06:19] constitute uh getting a better Quorum um
[1:06:23] and I'm going to go with their advice I
[1:06:25] think it should stay at 7 and instead of
[1:06:28] down to 5: again that's if I mean it's a
[1:06:31] it's a it's a huge undertaking this this
[1:06:34] commission itself um there's a lot to
[1:06:37] consider a lot of meetings there's a lot
[1:06:38] of areas in the city that they have to
[1:06:40] consider but um again if if these
[1:06:44] individuals um who have reached out to
[1:06:46] us have uh Richard and Gloria have been
[1:06:48] on this commission for a long time and
[1:06:50] and I think if they think seven is
[1:06:52] worthy then I I would suggest we stay
[1:06:55] with seven
[1:06:57] anybody else Miss Patrick well I do have
[1:07:00] concerns um I I appreciate what Miss
[1:07:02] Toro um and the commission is saying um
[1:07:05] at the same time I appreciate what the
[1:07:07] staff is saying
[1:07:09] having I mean if we look on page 46 of
[1:07:12] our packet we did get I think that you
[1:07:14] asked for that these statistics um
[1:07:18] and you know they really haven't had uh
[1:07:21] great attendance at the um according to
[1:07:24] this um we can see that I think we can
[1:07:29] understand why our staff person was
[1:07:30] recommending the change um but yes I can
[1:07:35] see also that the commission is asking
[1:07:37] for us to stay at 7 but I guess I would
[1:07:39] have to say that we really would need to
[1:07:44] make sure that they were going to be
[1:07:45] able to have you know more than four
[1:07:48] people there right well I'm sorry go
[1:07:51] ahead Mr no I was going to kind I agree
[1:07:53] with what uh m b is saying I think that
[1:07:56] you know we're in a cuz all things that
[1:07:59] we're talking about here kind of you
[1:08:00] know have Merit it makes sense to you
[1:08:01] know kind of defer to the people who are
[1:08:03] in the position right now who understand
[1:08:05] how things have been going um or or
[1:08:08] what's necessary but then looking at you
[1:08:10] know kind of the information that
[1:08:11] receive based on outcomes it does seem
[1:08:13] to be a struggle so I guess the question
[1:08:16] is you know if we were to defer to um
[1:08:20] people assign a commission how would
[1:08:21] they demonstrate their ability to not be
[1:08:23] in the position that they're currently
[1:08:25] in
[1:08:26] so I I think in terms of demonstrating
[1:08:28] the um um that they would not be in this
[1:08:32] position part of that is our
[1:08:33] responsibility it belongs to the city
[1:08:36] that because we
[1:08:38] really we've kind of went through this
[1:08:40] process similarly with the um the cprb
[1:08:43] true so it's about um making sure the
[1:08:47] applications are submitted my
[1:08:48] understanding from one of the emails is
[1:08:49] there are current applications that are
[1:08:51] we have here that have not gone through
[1:08:53] the process and therefore you know one
[1:08:55] they have to come to us before we can
[1:08:57] make a decision on them so um I I don't
[1:09:00] I looked for it in the code I looked and
[1:09:02] I didn't see where there's any clear
[1:09:04] process we know that we know you know
[1:09:07] because of how we've been doing it that
[1:09:08] it goes to the mayor and then mayor
[1:09:09] brings to the council but I don't see
[1:09:11] where there's any any written process
[1:09:14] and um so with the cprb the way we found
[1:09:17] out about it is that the um the chair of
[1:09:19] the cprb came to us and said oh we need
[1:09:21] people and and I kept pushing that
[1:09:22] forward when it happened with the
[1:09:23] Planning Commission the chair of the
[1:09:25] planning commission came forward when it
[1:09:27] happened with the Bureau of assessment
[1:09:29] the board of assessment review our staff
[1:09:31] member who works with that particular um
[1:09:34] board told us so we've got varying ways
[1:09:38] so I think part of it is the process and
[1:09:40] we have to make sure that we have the
[1:09:42] process and then once we have
[1:09:43] applications that we um that they're um
[1:09:47] acting on in in an expedited manner so
[1:09:50] that there is not this um from November
[1:09:52] till May like we had with the cprb so
[1:09:55] part of that is making sure that we have
[1:09:57] all the information and all people that
[1:09:59] need to have the information are aware
[1:10:01] and the applications move through the
[1:10:02] process in an expedited manner so that
[1:10:05] people can get the quum so it's not
[1:10:07] entirely I mean I would say that the
[1:10:09] board has responsibility to say hey
[1:10:12] we're missing but what is the process
[1:10:14] who does it go to and how do once
[1:10:16] applications get here we make sure that
[1:10:17] applications move through the process
[1:10:21] so so um and the I um my my
[1:10:25] recommendation is that we allow the the
[1:10:28] applications that are there be moved
[1:10:30] forward and looked at and moved forward
[1:10:32] so that um they could be able to get a
[1:10:34] form and to me it's easier to if like
[1:10:38] for instance that you look at the
[1:10:39] information that um that was provided by
[1:10:41] Miss haror in terms of them not getting
[1:10:44] um not having only four people but if
[1:10:46] you only have five to choose from and
[1:10:49] four come you have the majority but if
[1:10:51] you if you have seven then you have two
[1:10:53] more people you can ask that you can't
[1:10:56] that that would be available so I would
[1:10:59] recommend that and if if we could um get
[1:11:01] those applications moved forward and
[1:11:04] give it at least till the end of the
[1:11:05] year and see that if they're getting the
[1:11:07] quum and and move forward like that but
[1:11:10] I I uh with I would have to agree with
[1:11:12] Mr Toro that the folks who do this who
[1:11:14] volunteer their time um it's not
[1:11:17] compensated uh that they have the
[1:11:19] opportunity as long and they're willing
[1:11:21] to work with um the department head and
[1:11:23] and again I think that we need to talk
[1:11:25] about not just for this board but for
[1:11:27] all the boards we need to talk about
[1:11:28] what the process looks like getting
[1:11:30] people getting applications and get them
[1:11:32] moved through the so they don't we have
[1:11:34] vacancies for a long period of time that
[1:11:36] causes people not to have a
[1:11:38] quum Mr Williams Oh So what I first
[1:11:41] would like to identify is in no ways
[1:11:43] there a slate at the planning and
[1:11:44] development um department for putting
[1:11:46] together these amendments I think it was
[1:11:48] definitely their best interpretation of
[1:11:49] how to respond uh to address the quum
[1:11:51] issues but I truly believe in responsive
[1:11:53] government and as we had we've heard
[1:11:56] from individuals that are uh serving in
[1:11:58] these capacities saying hey can you
[1:11:59] pause and and
[1:12:02] reidentifying with that if there are
[1:12:04] applications that haven't been processed
[1:12:07] or if there is hesitancy on on um the
[1:12:09] approving agency's part I think can we
[1:12:12] discuss having a criteria uh where what
[1:12:15] are the Baseline considerations expected
[1:12:17] for a candidate and I think in similar
[1:12:19] fashion to how uh Chief Marino and the
[1:12:22] police dep and the fire department
[1:12:23] excuse me have uh identified a base
[1:12:26] level exportation and they'll train you
[1:12:27] the rest of the way can we have a
[1:12:29] baseline exportation that evaluates time
[1:12:31] served to help bridge some of those uh
[1:12:34] uh gaps if you say and having like a
[1:12:36] true candidate um but definitely we had
[1:12:39] some of these similar concerns with the
[1:12:41] cprb and I think today it's been the
[1:12:43] most uh staff so far so I I agree uh if
[1:12:47] there have been historic vacancies uh I
[1:12:51] think it is not uh um uncustomary of us
[1:12:54] to pause and see if there's ways we can
[1:12:56] just re-evaluate ways to just boost um
[1:12:59] participation but also in the right way
[1:13:01] where we're not uh taking expenses at
[1:13:04] just quality candid coming
[1:13:08] for put your hand up are you no okay yes
[1:13:12] Miss Patrick well I think Mr Farley has
[1:13:14] okay Mr far certainly so I would just I
[1:13:17] guess something I think we
[1:13:18] should probably don't talk about enough
[1:13:20] which I think that we have to uh
[1:13:22] demonstrate the curage to address when
[1:13:24] anytime we talk about it board positions
[1:13:25] I think that you
[1:13:27] know maintaining
[1:13:30] um a larger board I think gives more
[1:13:33] people opportunity and gives us a better
[1:13:35] opportunity to have a more diverse and
[1:13:38] inclusive uh board voice and I think
[1:13:40] that so that's something that we have
[1:13:42] council members no matter what we're
[1:13:43] doing any decision we're making we
[1:13:45] should be looking through an equitable
[1:13:47] lens and you know I would love to invite
[1:13:50] my colleagues to kind
[1:13:53] of be raise that point a little more
[1:13:56] often um because it's something I think
[1:13:58] that is something that's the expectation
[1:14:00] of the people of our community that um
[1:14:02] we represent that we uh make sure that
[1:14:04] we're being as inclusive and and all of
[1:14:06] these um volunteer pay whatever the
[1:14:09] situation of the board is that we set it
[1:14:11] up in a way that gives us the greatest
[1:14:12] chance to uh be more inclusive and to be
[1:14:15] equable M Patrick I was just wondering
[1:14:17] if there were other I mean there's a lot
[1:14:19] of changes in here that's just one uh
[1:14:22] that's being recommended so I just
[1:14:23] wanted to see if there were other I mean
[1:14:25] this is there's a lot in here so I
[1:14:27] didn't know if we wanted to summary um I
[1:14:30] know that particular staff person isn't
[1:14:33] here tonight but
[1:14:36] um we gave a summary already of all the
[1:14:38] changes we pres the city C so so they
[1:14:42] gave the summary and the only and then
[1:14:45] there was the public hearing so the only
[1:14:47] thing that came out of the public
[1:14:48] hearing and that was reviewed by
[1:14:50] everyone you know who had interest in it
[1:14:52] and that was the only um concern and and
[1:14:55] change that was that was requested
[1:15:00] okay yes do we know anything about in
[1:15:02] regard to the bylaws if if there are
[1:15:05] members that are passing consistently
[1:15:08] where they can maybe be discharged and
[1:15:11] bring out a new member um and maybe
[1:15:13] keeping a number a little bit smaller
[1:15:15] but we move people quicker for not
[1:15:18] showing up you know my the only concern
[1:15:21] I have is is that there's not a quum so
[1:15:23] there's a lot of time time being wasted
[1:15:26] so I'm wondering if they have um I think
[1:15:29] um we looked at that before in another
[1:15:31] board that if somebody isn't showing
[1:15:34] that we can move move them and then
[1:15:36] bring on another candidate I don't know
[1:15:40] if the bylaws address it or not I'm not
[1:15:42] sure I can get back to
[1:15:43] you what you see is is what what you
[1:15:47] that's that's the the operating
[1:15:49] structure you made some changes to the
[1:15:52] board of assessment review earlier this
[1:15:54] yearing attendance issues was the to to
[1:15:58] amend the attendance and they were being
[1:16:01] paid uh so there is there are no bylaws
[1:16:05] um regarding that and based on the
[1:16:08] information we received it said that
[1:16:10] they uh had to vote unanimously it
[1:16:12] didn't say that nothing passed that so
[1:16:15] so what ended up happening the four
[1:16:16] people were there and the four people
[1:16:19] unanimous bu on it so it was if if there
[1:16:22] had been three people that said yes and
[1:16:24] one person said no that would have been
[1:16:25] a problem but so far that hasn't been
[1:16:28] the
[1:16:29] problem so which to me again speaks to
[1:16:32] the fact that you should have more
[1:16:33] opportunity a bigger pool to choose from
[1:16:35] to lessen the um possibility of having a
[1:16:40] not having a
[1:16:43] COR so the the uh it's on page 63 and
[1:16:47] item uh number one article
[1:16:51] 10 uh membership
[1:16:55] so the way it's being proposed is that
[1:16:57] it should it go down to five and then
[1:17:00] one alternate member to serve in the
[1:17:02] absence of a
[1:17:07] member and Mr O'Brien the one alternate
[1:17:11] member was an addition when when you
[1:17:13] change when it was the requested was to
[1:17:15] change it from 5 to 7 7 to five you
[1:17:17] would just want to keep the seven
[1:17:19] everything else uh leave the
[1:17:22] same yes that's that's what
[1:17:25] consensus of the council just change the
[1:17:27] board you know keep keep it in other
[1:17:29] words the draft is amended but the
[1:17:34] actual code is not because the code is
[1:17:36] not the code is decreased the amendment
[1:17:39] is asking for a decrease but you don't
[1:17:41] want want to do that so just the uh
[1:17:44] proposed uh legislation just has to be
[1:17:48] amended to reflect seven instead of five
[1:17:50] yes membership is that the is that the
[1:17:54] any other change regarding that that's
[1:17:57] that you're all good with that okay yes
[1:18:00] so we just change the draft for it to be
[1:18:02] said sure I don't know that that this is
[1:18:04] something that need to be addressed in
[1:18:06] this but I think it should just be noted
[1:18:07] that cuz I I heard you say at least to
[1:18:10] the end of the year to see and then make
[1:18:12] could revisit something like that I
[1:18:14] think that that's a good I don't know
[1:18:16] that that needs to be in the amendment
[1:18:18] right but just it's
[1:18:19] just always say corre at any time you
[1:18:24] can just saying for clarity expectation
[1:18:27] transparency purposes I think it should
[1:18:28] be
[1:18:29] so would you pass
[1:18:32] uh resolution excuse me a a motion
[1:18:36] tonight to amend the uh proposal to
[1:18:39] reflect the uh number to remain at seven
[1:18:43] out than five yes and then the coun then
[1:18:48] ordinance has proposed to go before the
[1:18:50] Council next Monday right well that has
[1:18:52] to pass out the committee that means
[1:18:54] that Miss I'm okay I'll move it um but
[1:18:58] go ahead so so if we stay with seven the
[1:19:01] the stipulation one alternative member
[1:19:03] that's removed
[1:19:07] yes membership will be uned right right
[1:19:12] and I just um do want to like and I
[1:19:15] guess you talked to the mayor's office
[1:19:17] about this to make sure the applications
[1:19:18] that are there um would they be in your
[1:19:21] office the applications that are have
[1:19:23] been submitted would they be with your
[1:19:25] office at this point uh that's my
[1:19:28] understanding okay so if we could just
[1:19:30] make sure that um if the council you
[1:19:32] know if you're if they're acceptable to
[1:19:35] you that you would move this forward
[1:19:36] because then then that would that allow
[1:19:39] them to have the Quorum and not be in
[1:19:41] the same situation have the same
[1:19:43] conversation mon from now and so the
[1:19:45] council was going to reduce the number I
[1:19:47] wasn't looking to over staff the board
[1:19:49] and oh you
[1:19:52] were oh okay
[1:19:56] well so I'm not um looking to we looking
[1:20:00] to leave it at 7
[1:20:03] okay so I will put in a motion to accept
[1:20:06] this um with that one change of leaving
[1:20:09] it at 7 and taking out the um alternate
[1:20:12] so that's article 10 section A 1 a so
[1:20:17] otherwise we accept the other the other
[1:20:20] changes as uh indicated by
[1:20:23] our I'll second that all those in favor
[1:20:26] I I thank
[1:20:30] you uh the next item on the agenda is
[1:20:33] the review regarding amendments to the
[1:20:35] connec zoning ordinance relating to the
[1:20:37] Hamilton Hill development plan also
[1:20:39] referred to as connect 40 project in the
[1:20:41] area of Albany page State and SKC Street
[1:20:44] the public hearing was on the 24th of
[1:20:48] June uh
[1:20:50] so we uh had the public hearing actually
[1:20:53] no one came to speak of public hearing
[1:20:54] hearing and what is before you now is um
[1:20:58] that we would have to um pass the uh
[1:21:02] those amendments to the zoning and we it
[1:21:04] was unanimously um the Planning
[1:21:07] Commission approved the resoning
[1:21:09] unanimously any questions or comments or
[1:21:12] is there someone here to speak to
[1:21:15] this I'm always available but I think
[1:21:18] we've said it
[1:21:20] all does anyone have any questions we
[1:21:23] have our team here if anyone question
[1:21:24] any does anyone have any questions
[1:21:26] regarding that okay then I guess you can
[1:21:29] save the
[1:21:31] speed all right I'll motion I'll move it
[1:21:34] I'll second all those in favor I I thank
[1:21:36] you um the next item on the agenda is
[1:21:40] for the um city council to De declar le
[1:21:44] Agency for a
[1:21:46] Seeker um for the same project the
[1:21:48] Hamilton Hill Redevelopment plan zoning
[1:21:50] change for skin
[1:21:52] 40 any questions would you
[1:21:56] anything okay see it's not
[1:22:02] deare the negative
[1:22:04] declaration is there something Mr no
[1:22:08] negative
[1:22:09] declaration I'll move it I'll second all
[1:22:12] in favor I I thank
[1:22:15] you actually the mayor's name was on
[1:22:17] that sorry
[1:22:20] mayor your name was on I apologize did
[1:22:23] you have something you want to say
[1:22:25] no it's at this point I think it's all
[1:22:27] proor put a lot of time and effort in
[1:22:29] this and I'm glad it's coming to a
[1:22:32] conclusion great thank
[1:22:35] you uh the next item on the agenda is to
[1:22:39] revisit the discussion about producing
[1:22:41] the city's speed limit to 25 mph and
[1:22:43] other safety traffic measures Miss
[1:22:45] Patrick yes well I just wanted to uh
[1:22:48] bring this back forward again um I think
[1:22:50] we need to be able to move forward on
[1:22:52] some of this um we've heard from various
[1:22:56] residents um about the concern about
[1:22:59] speeding and other types of uh traffic
[1:23:01] infractions that have been happening uh
[1:23:04] the concerns that I brought up last time
[1:23:06] uh had to do with um how we would go
[1:23:09] about uh educating how we would go about
[1:23:12] with uh making sure that we were
[1:23:14] enforcing um again I think we need staff
[1:23:17] to be able to um talk with us about um
[1:23:21] which streets would be uh 2 M an hour um
[1:23:26] I because there are some streets that we
[1:23:28] know we wouldn't want to put down to 25
[1:23:30] M hour but as we've said over and over
[1:23:34] again for the last few years in bringing
[1:23:36] this forward um even Bringing Down the
[1:23:38] speed limit from 30 to 25 there's
[1:23:40] research that shows um that that has an
[1:23:43] impact on pedestrian safety for sure um
[1:23:46] I think we've heard from um I think you
[1:23:50] know Chief Clifford's not here but I've
[1:23:53] heard from um a couple of U members of
[1:23:55] our Police Department that if we were to
[1:23:57] lower the speed limit then we could at
[1:23:59] least know that people might go 30 uh
[1:24:02] instead of 25 um it gives them a little
[1:24:04] bit more flexibility in terms of being
[1:24:06] able to um issue tickets um so I just I
[1:24:12] I you know I don't know the next step um
[1:24:14] I think um obviously there'd be some
[1:24:17] budgetary issues in terms of changing
[1:24:19] the um the signage um again the signage
[1:24:23] is primarily um at entranceways to the
[1:24:26] city
[1:24:27] um so I leave it open for folks to chime
[1:24:31] in here but see what other people feel
[1:24:34] um well the last time we talked about
[1:24:36] this um we uh we asked that Chief
[1:24:39] Clifford Mr Canon and
[1:24:41] uh Chris Wallen is now gone to talk
[1:24:44] about this so I I agree that we need to
[1:24:48] do that um the there was an accident
[1:24:51] that happened last August I think all of
[1:24:54] you may have know about that at this
[1:24:56] point in time where a woman was
[1:24:57] seriously
[1:24:58] injured and um I mean a traumatic brain
[1:25:02] injury and
[1:25:04] so there's definitely a problem with
[1:25:06] speeding I think we've all seen it we
[1:25:07] didn't have to wait for an accident to
[1:25:09] see it we've all seen it I also
[1:25:11] understand that there's only certain
[1:25:12] there's certain street that that we
[1:25:14] can't apply this to but we would
[1:25:16] definitely need to hear um again from Mr
[1:25:18] Wallen and from Mr Canon Mr yeah Mr
[1:25:23] Canon who I guess the fine person U he
[1:25:25] replaced John kucho and uh Chief
[1:25:28] Clifford but I don't know how we um can
[1:25:32] get that
[1:25:34] accommodated to have them here so we can
[1:25:36] you know hear what needs to be done and
[1:25:38] then move
[1:25:39] forward get it scheduled and get them
[1:25:41] here with an appropriate presentation
[1:25:43] okay so for the next committee meeting
[1:25:46] quite possible their calendar July's a
[1:25:50] little bit harder with some vacation I
[1:25:52] tentatively say yes cancel
[1:25:55] vacations the city council controls the
[1:25:59] terms and conditions of employment so if
[1:26:01] you want to do a resolution canceling
[1:26:03] vacation I don't think they'll be very
[1:26:05] popular resolution I I just wanted to
[1:26:08] point out that um we do have a resident
[1:26:09] here this evening who did give us um
[1:26:11] some additional information about lower
[1:26:13] speed limit so I appreciate that um it's
[1:26:16] information that uh came to my attention
[1:26:19] a couple of years ago um I support the
[1:26:22] the information that that's in there um
[1:26:24] so I hope that everybody will take a
[1:26:25] chance take a moment to to to look at
[1:26:27] that and we have other residents here
[1:26:29] this evening as well who have come
[1:26:31] continuously to our Council asking us to
[1:26:34] move forward um with trying to you know
[1:26:37] Implement some change so um I think
[1:26:42] especially as we when we move into the
[1:26:43] budget season it's clear that we will
[1:26:46] have some budget implications of this um
[1:26:49] in terms of do we need additional stop
[1:26:51] signs do we
[1:26:52] want to to think about you know what
[1:26:55] happens with cameras on stop lights and
[1:26:57] whether tickets get automatically um
[1:27:00] issued if someone goes through a redl
[1:27:02] for example I mean that was something
[1:27:03] that Mr PA manyy brought up when he was
[1:27:05] on Council so some of this has
[1:27:07] implications budget wise and we would
[1:27:10] have to care for staff um regarding
[1:27:13] those kinds of things yes and also I'm
[1:27:16] going to say 5 years ago I think I
[1:27:18] presented something to for us to get
[1:27:20] speed hunts which took 3 years and then
[1:27:22] we only had it as a demonstration
[1:27:24] project on one street so we definitely
[1:27:26] need to look at traffic calming measures
[1:27:29] um to to make sure that um that we
[1:27:32] address this problem so um if if and I
[1:27:35] don't even know where those speed humps
[1:27:37] are now because they didn't come back
[1:27:38] out again this summer I have no idea so
[1:27:41] we definitely have to do that and but in
[1:27:43] addition to all of the things that we
[1:27:45] passed we have like implementation and
[1:27:47] enforcement is going to be a huge part
[1:27:49] of this whole process yes yes M and I do
[1:27:52] want to say um was expressing this to a
[1:27:55] resident that called today but um I've
[1:27:57] really racked my brains um I know this
[1:27:59] is going to sound really wacky but I
[1:28:01] mean one of the ideas that I have is
[1:28:03] whether we could approach um something
[1:28:06] like AAA to see if you know they would
[1:28:09] offer um a free defensive driving course
[1:28:13] to Residents who um you know I I don't
[1:28:16] know I mean all of this would have to be
[1:28:18] worked out in terms of a program but I
[1:28:20] know I myself did that during Co when we
[1:28:23] were stuck in home home you know before
[1:28:25] vaccination time I took that defensive
[1:28:27] driving again for the second time in my
[1:28:29] life and um I know that it has
[1:28:32] influenced my behavior um as I drive
[1:28:35] around the city and um you know I would
[1:28:37] hope that that might have an impact as
[1:28:39] well so we have to try to come up with
[1:28:41] some other creative uh ways to the the
[1:28:45] behavior issue I feel is just so
[1:28:47] fundamental uh I encourage all of you to
[1:28:50] when you leave tonight go drive home 25
[1:28:53] M hour on the streets that you think
[1:28:55] this might happen and you'll see that it
[1:28:56] is difficult to do so um but again I
[1:29:00] mean it's a safety factor that I I I
[1:29:03] really can't discount enough and you'll
[1:29:05] see that um again this is this this
[1:29:08] handout is definitely some of the things
[1:29:10] that I I saw when I was first
[1:29:12] researching this so please uh pay
[1:29:16] attention to this and let's try to um
[1:29:18] you know get the staff here and try to
[1:29:20] come to some
[1:29:22] decisions um about this
[1:29:25] uh Mr Wings so I I
[1:29:31] um I know there are a number of
[1:29:32] residents who are looking at this
[1:29:33] conversation and saying that again this
[1:29:35] is an item that's been talked about and
[1:29:37] talked about and talked about and no
[1:29:39] action has been conducted and to them I
[1:29:41] would just like to ask for their
[1:29:43] contined patience um I think I always
[1:29:46] appreciate a light light Baner
[1:29:48] especially kind of referencing the the
[1:29:50] budget season um but with all sincerity
[1:29:53] this is
[1:29:54] a a a a dire issue that we need to
[1:29:57] address um I need to miss um Patrick's
[1:30:01] Point I don't think we're short of ideas
[1:30:03] it's just selecting one um I'm glad that
[1:30:06] we've expanded from the singular focus
[1:30:09] of uh this item with addressing just in
[1:30:11] governements in general and I think we
[1:30:12] truly need to have a comprehensive
[1:30:15] approach for the entire city uh even in
[1:30:18] separate facets but for my entire
[1:30:19] Council um career that highlighted just
[1:30:23] neighbor hoods throughout the city that
[1:30:24] are experiencing this to varying degrees
[1:30:27] um but but collectively as a city we
[1:30:29] need to respond and again if that is
[1:30:32] waiting for the conversation to have the
[1:30:33] proper uh agents and agencies to speak
[1:30:36] to this I I I uh I yield to that um but
[1:30:39] very much I correct me if I'm wrong
[1:30:41] anyone at the table I think we do not
[1:30:44] need to experience a fatality to
[1:30:46] understand the severity of this and uh I
[1:30:49] I appreciate the individuals throughout
[1:30:51] the city who are taking the time to
[1:30:52] adhere proactively to being uh slower in
[1:30:56] their vehicles um but we are addressing
[1:30:59] individuals that are taking a less of
[1:31:00] regard for it um so again it is our
[1:31:03] responsibility to hold individuals uh
[1:31:06] accountable for helping us identify the
[1:31:08] proper solution we have had measures in
[1:31:10] place referencing the speed humps that
[1:31:12] have been indicated that they had a had
[1:31:14] a a positive impact um but again we just
[1:31:17] need to respond and then hold that
[1:31:20] response year in and year out um in
[1:31:23] order
[1:31:25] this yes Mr Mr far we has his hand up
[1:31:29] yeah so I'll try to be brief as I can I
[1:31:31] think this is has there's been some
[1:31:33] learning for me in this cuz initially I
[1:31:34] was just like okay yeah we keep talking
[1:31:36] this why AR we just doing something but
[1:31:37] I think that now recognizing you know
[1:31:40] what steps have to be in place and for
[1:31:41] us to make an informed decision I will
[1:31:44] second what Mr Williams kind of thrs
[1:31:45] around like it we need to make sure that
[1:31:47] we're doing this in a way that's smart
[1:31:49] that has an impact on why I guess then
[1:31:52] my other question you know we're kind of
[1:31:54] wering if you will is what can we do in
[1:31:57] the meantime because I feel like you
[1:31:59] know I know we talked about uh you said
[1:32:02] some speed humps that were out that we
[1:32:04] might have in possession of the city are
[1:32:06] there things that where we can as we are
[1:32:09] going through the process are there you
[1:32:12] know as we go through the kind of the
[1:32:13] graduated interventions are there things
[1:32:15] that we can do along the way um as far
[1:32:18] as uh you know maybe bringing out
[1:32:20] whatever speed humps that we have um and
[1:32:22] putting those in um um the areas that
[1:32:24] have been identified to be you know kind
[1:32:26] of those more high-risk areas um is
[1:32:29] there um signage that we have that we
[1:32:31] can kind of post up so I'm just welc
[1:32:33] like like what are some of those
[1:32:36] more measured responses as we wait to
[1:32:39] get to kind of that larger response um
[1:32:42] and if there are those I would just
[1:32:44] encourage us to at least do those things
[1:32:45] like I don't know exactly what all of
[1:32:47] those are yes well for example we have
[1:32:50] um we have like the digital uh you know
[1:32:54] sign like the one you at high school you
[1:32:56] know if you're coming up um is it Mullen
[1:32:59] um you know that kind of thing where I
[1:33:01] mean again I would think that when
[1:33:03] people see what their speed is and what
[1:33:06] the speed is supposed to be hopefully
[1:33:08] that would make them so we have you know
[1:33:10] that that's one type of traffic calming
[1:33:12] measure that that also could could
[1:33:14] happen um we did I just wanted to point
[1:33:16] out publicly that we did get the home
[1:33:19] rule legislation passed in August of
[1:33:22] 2022 so that we move forward with doing
[1:33:25] this um changing the speed limit so that
[1:33:28] piece is in place
[1:33:30] um and then otherwise I think we need to
[1:33:33] hear from staff on some of these other
[1:33:35] items I would agree we definitely have
[1:33:37] to hear from staff but I um because I
[1:33:41] would I would um say to council members
[1:33:43] forward your questions to the clerk's
[1:33:46] office so that anything that you want
[1:33:47] staff to consider or talk about in the
[1:33:49] presentation uh that that they would
[1:33:52] have the information prepared ready to
[1:33:54] talk about it at that time and and to Mr
[1:33:57] Char point I think this the staff is
[1:33:58] going to have to be the one who decides
[1:34:01] you know what measures can be taken in
[1:34:02] what steps because you know they do that
[1:34:04] more and also we did do when there was a
[1:34:08] situation on King's Road they did
[1:34:09] Implement some things in addition to
[1:34:12] that some of the stop signs where it has
[1:34:15] the light that uh like light has extra
[1:34:18] lights on it so there have been some
[1:34:20] things that have been implemented but
[1:34:21] clearly we need to do more so we yes Mr
[1:34:25] Toro um I did know it stop signs all on
[1:34:27] Eastern Avenue as well there now there's
[1:34:29] red reflection tape on the bottom of the
[1:34:31] stop saw that too so kind of brings them
[1:34:35] right out I mean maybe not everyone can
[1:34:37] have every sign can have the
[1:34:39] uh right but um yeah so there are
[1:34:43] different meth you know different
[1:34:44] methods to catch our attention yes
[1:34:47] you're right but again once everyone
[1:34:50] gets here and um we can come up with a
[1:34:52] plan and I it's a good idea that we do
[1:34:54] send our questions to to the clerk so
[1:34:57] that at least when they get here they'll
[1:34:59] know what what you know a lot of our our
[1:35:01] concerns are probably all the same
[1:35:03] because we hear the same thing from
[1:35:04] everyone throughout so and I think the
[1:35:08] for that maybe um like what kind of data
[1:35:11] would we have like time of day accidents
[1:35:14] tickets issued the most complaints so
[1:35:17] like like you talked about yeah The Hot
[1:35:20] Zone yeah we have all that we've had
[1:35:23] that presentation actually even also so
[1:35:26] we could probably ask for that's one of
[1:35:28] the questions we can make sure the data
[1:35:29] is up to date from when of the last time
[1:35:31] we had prev so at this point in time we
[1:35:34] bring this back in two weeks and again
[1:35:37] submit any of your questions concerns to
[1:35:38] the clerk's office so they can be
[1:35:40] forwarded to the appropriate staff so
[1:35:42] when they come they can answer those
[1:35:44] questions thank you for bringing forward
[1:35:46] Miss Miss
[1:35:48] P all right
[1:35:51] um the next item is discussion
[1:35:54] the form during City Council meetings at
[1:35:57] the last committee meeting I asked that
[1:36:00] we add one thing to um the current rules
[1:36:03] of the Forum that being that if the
[1:36:05] individual um s the would state that by
[1:36:09] signing this I agree to adhere to her
[1:36:12] abide by um the rules of the Quorum and
[1:36:15] so miss uh Miss barage said that she
[1:36:18] wanted to look at whether or not that
[1:36:19] was something that we could legally um
[1:36:22] do and so so um I'll just let her she
[1:36:27] present some case law which all of you
[1:36:29] should have a copy of and I'll just let
[1:36:32] her present um what her opinion on that
[1:36:37] is thank you madam president um as the
[1:36:41] chair uh you have you are the one who
[1:36:44] can run the meeting so you can enforce
[1:36:47] uh the rules that you would like to
[1:36:50] enforce
[1:36:54] um I provided you with case law for our
[1:36:57] discussion and if you have further
[1:36:59] questions you can present them so based
[1:37:02] on the case law um the case law really
[1:37:05] talked a lot about um violating people's
[1:37:08] Fifth Amendment rights and I don't see
[1:37:11] um asking people to say that I'll hear
[1:37:13] by the rules is violating their Fifth
[1:37:15] Amendment rights in any way so um for me
[1:37:18] it's I say that we you know I want to I
[1:37:21] would like to move forward so that it's
[1:37:22] there that a person signs it and says I
[1:37:25] I'm willing to go by these rules I don't
[1:37:27] see where there's a violation of the
[1:37:29] person's First Amendment
[1:37:32] um right so unless you I just don't see
[1:37:35] it in there Mr far oh no that's so I was
[1:37:39] asking Corporation Council do you feel
[1:37:41] that that we can get into that uh space
[1:37:44] of violing someone's rights by acing
[1:37:46] them to sign that or just trying to see
[1:37:48] what your opinion is on that um I've not
[1:37:51] I've never provided an opinion that
[1:37:54] uh it's a violation of the rights V
[1:37:56] rights um it's up to a judge If This
[1:37:59] Were if someone were to accuse the city
[1:38:03] of that uh it's not up to me so it's
[1:38:07] possible but there's the potential that
[1:38:10] someone
[1:38:12] would uh try to make that clean I'm not
[1:38:16] providing an opinion on whether they
[1:38:18] would win or
[1:38:20] not because it's up to a judge or a jury
[1:38:23] at the end of the day not to
[1:38:27] me did you have did you have a
[1:38:31] hand anyone else so our question
[1:38:35] is when they sign in there's the rules
[1:38:40] of um the cor the Corum that they're
[1:38:43] going to follow that is what we're
[1:38:45] asking him and if it's your
[1:38:47] interpretation as the if they violate
[1:38:50] that and you can that's currently
[1:38:52] already like that yeah yeah that's
[1:38:54] that's already there if someone starts
[1:38:55] to swear you've seen it and like you
[1:38:57] know then they get stopped this is
[1:38:59] simply saying that I'm willing to do
[1:39:01] that that's I think it's already implied
[1:39:04] but I'd like to see it just added to
[1:39:09] that yes Miss Patrick and again I think
[1:39:11] what we talked about at the last meeting
[1:39:13] was that it could be at the top of the
[1:39:15] there could be a statement at the top of
[1:39:16] the signning
[1:39:18] sheet that indicates this is what you're
[1:39:20] signing you
[1:39:21] know I don't know the language that we
[1:39:24] used but I'm just saying once they sign
[1:39:25] their name onto that signin sheet it
[1:39:27] would mean that they were agreeing to
[1:39:29] whatever was at the top of the
[1:39:31] sheet and so and that's what I'd like to
[1:39:34] and then I do think um that again
[1:39:37] council president maintains that order
[1:39:40] um by virtue of I mean announcing what
[1:39:43] the rules are um and then keeping
[1:39:47] people to task um as they speak which
[1:39:50] you know you do do
[1:39:54] so I just would like to add that to the
[1:39:56] to the rules of the form just
[1:39:59] so it's there and people are
[1:40:03] clear Mr Williams um so I would say I
[1:40:06] definitely don't see an issue with that
[1:40:08] I'm not an attorney or practicing law
[1:40:10] nor what I want to um but definitely
[1:40:13] it's identified as privilege of the so
[1:40:16] to me that sounds like there is a a
[1:40:18] shared understanding of what it is you
[1:40:20] need to fulfill to have this ability to
[1:40:22] speak
[1:40:23] um I think just uh lining up or or
[1:40:27] having the written justification I think
[1:40:29] looks beyond the individual that's
[1:40:31] currently in the seat but provides that
[1:40:32] justification because in instances there
[1:40:35] have been individuals that challenge
[1:40:37] what is not written and it should not
[1:40:39] have to be up to interpretation it
[1:40:40] should be something that is again
[1:40:42] written so we can reference um for all
[1:40:46] Clarity within
[1:40:48] reason I'm sorry within
[1:40:51] reason may I haven't had a chance to
[1:40:53] read these documents
[1:40:55] then okay yes so we can wait until the
[1:40:59] next cycle um but I again to me that um
[1:41:02] these documents don't address what my
[1:41:04] question was and was my question was
[1:41:06] simply a statement of saying if I if I
[1:41:10] sign this by signing this I will adhere
[1:41:12] to these rules and these documents speak
[1:41:15] a lot to um people's strength amend
[1:41:17] being
[1:41:18] violated I think just again I'm just
[1:41:22] briefly looking at the case some in this
[1:41:23] one and the last sentence there does say
[1:41:25] the First Amendment did not protect
[1:41:27] defendant's right to discuss irrelevant
[1:41:29] topics at the meeting so yeah and which
[1:41:32] is already in there we we kind of say
[1:41:34] that in in terms of the public
[1:41:36] hearing yeah I would just say I think
[1:41:40] um the reality is no matter what it says
[1:41:44] on on paper our expectations and our
[1:41:46] rules I my my very very very very
[1:41:50] limited scope of understanding um to
[1:41:52] this
[1:41:53] how I understand it would be that
[1:41:55] someone's uh uh first their First
[1:41:59] Amendment right will supersede any real
[1:42:01] expectation that we um have for them
[1:42:04] anyway I believe that that would be the
[1:42:06] kind of the final say on that but again
[1:42:09] so I'm completely okay with I think what
[1:42:12] you're uh kind of bringing forward is
[1:42:14] saying that there's a clear
[1:42:16] understanding and not just an implied
[1:42:18] understanding of what people sign which
[1:42:19] I think is really good um again though I
[1:42:22] would just be really defer to
[1:42:24] Corporation counsel if they have any
[1:42:25] reservations around that I would welcome
[1:42:28] that and we should probably you know I
[1:42:29] that would be something that I would
[1:42:30] want to take into a strong
[1:42:32] consideration I think since the uh chair
[1:42:37] already um can call someone out of order
[1:42:40] and runs the meeting is an unnecessary
[1:42:44] [Music]
[1:42:47] addition I'd like to say there I think
[1:42:49] it's necessary it states for people
[1:42:51] exactly what's there and just spells it
[1:42:54] out no questions asked and and I would
[1:42:57] still go over the rules Etc but I don't
[1:43:00] think that um just stating letting
[1:43:03] people know that I'm willing to adhere
[1:43:04] to this
[1:43:05] is unnecessary I think it's quite
[1:43:08] necessary quite frankly based on some of
[1:43:11] the
[1:43:13] uh meetings we've had and going forward
[1:43:16] so that people understand that the
[1:43:17] reason that we even had the rules of the
[1:43:18] form to begin with a couple years ago
[1:43:21] was because it was just getting a little
[1:43:23] a little dicey so that's why we came up
[1:43:25] with a B so I'd like to see that on
[1:43:27] there and I'd like to um be able to work
[1:43:29] with Corporation counsel for us to have
[1:43:31] appropriate language that just spells it
[1:43:34] out like that and being able to bring
[1:43:35] that back into it Mr oh is your hand
[1:43:39] up I think well I'll make a comment I'll
[1:43:43] prer to the councilman it's councilman
[1:43:45] well no I think we just have to
[1:43:47] recognize that there will be risks there
[1:43:50] will be risks of you know um getting
[1:43:53] suit it sounds like or getting having to
[1:43:56] you know be brought to Fort um so we
[1:43:58] have to understand those risks if we
[1:44:01] decide to move forward with that I might
[1:44:04] I know you're not making an opinion that
[1:44:05] it would be up to a judge but that's
[1:44:07] what I'm hearing in other words of
[1:44:08] course anybody could bring us to court
[1:44:11] if they wanted to everything a risk yeah
[1:44:14] so I just wanted to say that publicly
[1:44:16] that a risk 100% And there's a risk with
[1:44:19] almost anything that we have to do yes
[1:44:22] Mr fary yeah and just for clarity my
[1:44:24] question would you know wouldn't
[1:44:25] necessarily be about whether it's
[1:44:27] necessary or not I think that that's
[1:44:28] well within the um real house of the
[1:44:31] council and and to experience the
[1:44:33] meetings whether you think it's
[1:44:34] necessary or not my question is is more
[1:44:36] along the lines of because it makes
[1:44:38] reasonable sense to me I would support
[1:44:40] it but I want to make sure that we're
[1:44:42] deferring to Corporation counsel to make
[1:44:43] sure that we are in you know legal
[1:44:45] parameters and minimizing the likelihood
[1:44:48] of Us ending up in a situation that we
[1:44:50] don't need to be so that was really M
[1:44:52] May
[1:44:53] yeah what's your end goal you put the
[1:44:57] rules down which people already know or
[1:45:00] should know somebody violates it what
[1:45:02] are you looking to
[1:45:04] do my own goal is to well already when
[1:45:07] people violate it I tell them my my goal
[1:45:08] is just to state for people in the very
[1:45:10] beginning that we our expectation of you
[1:45:14] is that you will go cool by the slides
[1:45:16] that's it so and I don't and again I
[1:45:19] don't I don't find you don't need the
[1:45:20] corporation counsel or any other staff
[1:45:22] to do it prerogative have the clerk put
[1:45:25] it on the list put it there and we're
[1:45:27] done with it know it's the end becomes
[1:45:31] what do you do do you rule somebody out
[1:45:33] of order do you recess the meeting
[1:45:35] sergeant-at-arms you bring the police in
[1:45:38] we can remove somebody if they're really
[1:45:40] uh totally out of line that seem to be
[1:45:44] overly complicating something solely
[1:45:46] within the barog of the organizational
[1:45:48] structure of the BS Office of the
[1:45:49] council president well that's what I
[1:45:51] thought the last meeting how Corporation
[1:45:53] Council said that we need to have a
[1:45:56] legal um opinion on it do you seem going
[1:46:00] clear I was very clear I don't mean
[1:46:04] in
[1:46:07] okay I think there would have to be some
[1:46:10] consequence though I think that's what
[1:46:11] the mayor is asking so I mean when I
[1:46:13] look at um again I've only briefly
[1:46:15] looked at this but it looks like we
[1:46:17] would be saying okay someone will be
[1:46:18] removing this person from our Chambers
[1:46:21] and Roberts rules the borders cover a
[1:46:23] lot which the way the council um 28 of
[1:46:27] the code explains that uh Robert's rules
[1:46:30] are what we abide by unless it's
[1:46:33] otherwise so Robert's Rules covers
[1:46:34] covers those things yes yes Mr fary and
[1:46:38] I I would just say that this might not
[1:46:39] be um I I don't see this necessarily as
[1:46:42] a reactive thing this can kind of be a
[1:46:44] proactive thing that reduces the
[1:46:46] likelihood of us getting to that place
[1:46:48] right so where people understand that
[1:46:50] when you sign up you know you're not
[1:46:52] just signing your name to speak on this
[1:46:53] list you're signing your name to speak
[1:46:55] on this list and there is a shared
[1:46:57] understanding of how wom will conduct
[1:46:58] themselves by speaking in this way and
[1:47:00] this and if that's clearest among them
[1:47:01] they're less likely to to make his point
[1:47:04] to get way out of line and I think so
[1:47:06] that there are things that have in
[1:47:07] placed to address the people do that
[1:47:09] behavior I think that this is a pretty
[1:47:11] lowrisk way as long as it's
[1:47:13] constitutionally sound a lowrisk way to
[1:47:15] um uh minimize the rest of that
[1:47:19] happen so B with the mar say we can just
[1:47:22] um do that through the council so
[1:47:27] willing to I still would want I would um
[1:47:29] pass the language just to make sure if
[1:47:32] Corporation Council is over with me to
[1:47:33] make sure but I don't I don't think the
[1:47:36] language that I am actually submitted
[1:47:38] did not but just basically said you'll
[1:47:40] abide by the source
[1:47:41] so we will have that ready for the next
[1:47:44] council
[1:47:46] meeting any other questions or further
[1:47:48] discussion on this
[1:47:51] topic okay the last two items are for
[1:47:55] executive session and um and then we
[1:47:58] have to also bring back the discussion
[1:48:00] of the water bikes so um I'll make a mo
[1:48:04] I'll look for a motion go executive
[1:48:05] session to talk about property sales and
[1:48:08] also um the contract for the water bike
[1:48:11] rental services I'll second all in favor
[1:48:14] I so in executive session and members of
[1:48:17] the public will have to leave
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[1:48:39] what