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micone thank you sir very welcome so old

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topic new topic uh issues of speeding in

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the city is conc so I was asked to come

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up here and talk about the uh topic that

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we formally had about reduction of the

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speed limit to 25 milph I'm sure we all

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saw that the city of Albany recently

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reduced their speed to miles hour um

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that was earlier this week I was in

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contact with f was in Albany their

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engineer and we did have an internal

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meeting by the with the police

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department and Brian Canon with the sign

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signal department and we did decide to

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uh start looking at and moving this

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forward at the request of the council um

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as you know previously I've been

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engaging with uh Fred mastriani fcm

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engineering we looked specifically at

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Kings Road Rugby Road Dwayne Avenue when

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we were doing small studies um given

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that the the studies have been varied

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with what it is and then Alban's outcome

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Albany did reduce uh the majority of

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their City to 25 milph using uh

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different engineering um what I metrics

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they use density they use um you know

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character of the neighborhood they used

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a couple of things that we hadn't looked

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at before uh to do that um so what we

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then did is Mayor and I reached out to

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our transportation Council we had a

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meeting with them today with their

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executive director um and the

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transportation Council uh has agreed

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they have a they receive grant funding

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through the Safe Streets for all Grant

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it's called ss4a it's Federal program

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and as part of that they uh hired a

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consultant and we'll be working with

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municipalities on coming up with the

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recommendations for select

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municipalities for reduction of speed

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for the roads they already have the

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consultant on board uh and she is more

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than willing to work with us on that so

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given that um our previous engineer Fred

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if everyone knows great gentleman

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smaller operation very good at the

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singular streets but if we're going to

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be moving to we want to look at the

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whole city holistically like Al did we'd

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really like to take the opportunity to

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accept the the grant money and move

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forward with working with uh essentially

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the capital region no on putting

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together recommendations for the entire

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Council to lower the city uh speed Li to

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25 so right now that was we had that

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meeting just today we had our meeting

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meting with the police department um on

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Friday and uh you know we did just I

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don't want to speak for for Brian uh you

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know he's been doing some research on it

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and the the impact that can have when

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you do lower the speed limit for

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pedestrian safety and things it is it is

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significant yes so um we don't want to

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take it lightly if the council is in

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favor of us moving forward with the

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study for the entire reduction then

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we're going to work with the no and and

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come back with a proposal on the entire

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city go ahead Miss Patrick um so we've

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been uh talking about this since August

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of 2022 that was the first time that I

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put in a legislative request and then I

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put one in in September of

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2023 um and and more recently um I do

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have the materials from Albany that were

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sent to me from uh someone connected

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over there so I saw the Katon Manning I

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think I think that's the name of the fir

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Manning yon Manning uh that did the

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engineering study I actually hoped that

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tonight we were actually going to be

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able to take action as Council and vote

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for a 25 M hour speed limit um my

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thought is I'd like to see the city

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become 25 miles per hour um across the

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city and then do the exensions on the

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streets that have high density need the

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traffic flow um to be faster uh as it is

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right now I think on eie state coule

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couple of

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areas obviously stay at the 15 M hour

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speed limit in the um school zones but

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um because I the research is just as you

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said I mean there's you know whether

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it's the Federal Highway whether it's

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the Insurance Institute um you know

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there's another Federal uh body as well

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all of them cite that the bottom line is

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that it definitely um prevents accidents

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um and certainly is uh increases

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pedestrian safety um and I think as we

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continue moving towards trying to be a

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more bikable and walkable city um that

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reducing the speed limit would be and on

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top of doing other things like stock

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signs in different areas and and and

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other types of traffic cing measures but

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so we did talk about that today as well

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and I just want to address the the

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reason that this has been so complex is

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that the state came out and they said if

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you want to Red reduce it here are your

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metrics um and so we're really not

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talking about the local roads the local

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roads are the local roads um which are

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typically you know any road other than

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Union not Eastern all but um what we

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really want to do is is when we we go

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forward have the evidence one of the

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things that I was I was surprised with

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Albany was they did it via a density

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survey more or less and they did have

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some information but it

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was it was wider spread than I would

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have thought larger portions of Central

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Avenue larger portions of Washington

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Avenue areas that I personally was not

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looking at you know not to say with uh

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regards to Kings Road which we all have

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been talking about um that street under

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these new guidelines may be more

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eligible than what we did we did a

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complete traffic study and they came

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back with a different metric that said

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given the character of the street and

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they looked at a different metric and I

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want to make sure if we're looking at

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the city holistically like that that

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we're all on the same page as a region

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which is why I really like the no

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stepping in and helping out with this

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because we don't only want it to be good

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for pedestrian safety but we also want

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to make sure that when we do enforcement

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it is extremely enforceable we do not

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want someone coming back and saying

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you're engineering judgment on this role

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this should never have been 25 and

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coming back at us and going down that

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road um you know there are Saratoga Troy

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they're also in this study for the Safe

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Streets for all so I think it will give

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us more of a base to hang our hats on to

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say listen you know this was the

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regional study that we looked at and

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this is where we're going um because

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like I said we were looking at road by

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road and pulling data from our Smart

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City cameras because that's how

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seriously we were taking it and we were

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getting a recommendation so right now

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our recommendation was okay Kings Road

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we did not have the information at the

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time to say because we were pulling it

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and we said Rugby Road we do so right

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now and that that kind of a process

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would take too long looking at the city

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from this holistic view so I'd like to

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keep going with the no to get it done

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and then just come to you with the which

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they had which was a GIS map I don't

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know if you saw that colorcoded with

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what streets they were going down and

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looking at it um and and I will put a

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you know I will talk with them and try

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to get a time frame on it to try to push

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it forward but I really don't want to

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just come and say 25 Citywide I I really

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would prefer not to do that because I

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think it puts a lot on on me personally

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to sign off on something like that and

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may may I also I just want to add that

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um and I don't I can't speak from my

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colleagues but I've certainly been

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getting emails um um whether it's people

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in the stock people in the GE flot I

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mean it's not just Kings Road uh that

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we're hearing from I mean we're hearing

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from at least I'm hearing from people in

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many different neighborhoods of the city

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that support 100% somebody today told me

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they supported 143% U moving forward

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with trying to reduce the speed limit so

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it is something that our residents are

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um at least uh speaking with me about uh

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very very and the other thing I don't

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want to I don't want to forget this kind

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of important fact um is the other reason

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that we pushed it off that you and I

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talked about was the financial impact of

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this and that we wanted to make sure

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that we got it done during this budget

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cycle so I don't think we should hold

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off on that we do know that it's going

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to be an impact on signs I did talk to

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Brian Cannon's uh let's say doppelganger

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over in Albany and they will be putting

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out a contract they're removing 200

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signs they are putting up new signs I

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think they're doing that with contract

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work so it's it's not insignificant so I

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think that was one of the things we had

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talked about was that if we did go to 25

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M hour even if we passed it with

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legislation putting the signs up and

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changing the physical nature of the city

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would take a while I I do want to add on

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that note that again my understanding is

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and you guys are the experts but that um

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again if it was Citywide with exemptions

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in certain streets that you wouldn't

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necessarily need 200 signs you'd need

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the signs at the entrance points of the

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city as they are now where it says 30 m

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hour and those would get changed to 25

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mil hour and then there'd be additional

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signage based on um

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those streets that were going to be

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either higher than 25 miles hour or that

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were obviously the school district I

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always point you School District um

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remain at 15 miles hour and and that is

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correct but there are some signs we even

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have signs I know Brian was looking into

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it that say 35 miles hour so we wanted

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to make sure we know where where those

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signs were in some other areas I'm also

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uh you know I want to talk with the

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state about uie Boulevard because that's

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one of the areas where yie Boulevard the

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Gateway into the city north of the

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roundabout that's one of our highest

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speed we don't own that road I was going

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to talk with them about if we could

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reduce that coming into the city and see

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what their appetite for that would be as

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it's 40 um

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but there's a lot to do with this and I

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have not been putting my full attention

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on it I apologize for that um I was kind

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of hanging my head on moving forward

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slower getting the budget lines together

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getting Brian up to speed and uh like I

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said with the the no being here now will

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push it but I don't have any any magic

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answers for it right now so right now

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you don't know what the timeline will be

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she has the Grant and they're working on

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it they have the consultant already on

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board but I don't have a timeline but we

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just met with her today and she was

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enthusiastic about it and I can get a

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timeline what do what does NP stand for

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again our uh Metropolitan planning

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organization so that is our that is the

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C it used to be called the Capital

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District transportation committee now

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they're the capital region

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Transportation Council um so they handle

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all of the major transportation planning

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in the area um I've worked with them on

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our ada8 transition plan they're the

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ones that we go through for all of our

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federal projects you know I really try

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to lean on them because they are a

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resource that I don't have in my office

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and they do have staff that are you know

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educated engineers and planners to help

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with these kind of things so so I I just

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want to ask you mentioned Kings Road rby

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and then Dwayne Avenue I know that

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we got had speed humps like for for one

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I don't know how many weeks a very short

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time and supposedly what was supposed to

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come out of that was that they was in a

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study feedback and then they were moved

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to another location and we haven't heard

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anything about that so I'm not asking

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right here right now but if we could

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include that and and also the

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possibility of having those in the city

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because people are asking about that I

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they think that that's I can come back

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with that that would be easier for me to

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so we do have some information on that

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and we did do a study for that one and I

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don't know if we regrouped internally

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but

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that that was a successful project and

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that's something that we are looking

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to Mr TR oh I'm sorry I'm sorry I'm

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sorry Mr mud next I was going to ask the

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same question in terms of the timeline

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so you as you mentioned just that we

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have a grant and you're looking forward

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for us to move forward with that Grant

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the the transportation has the grant

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it's a Federal grant for Safe Streets

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and they're looking to take that they

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have a consultant and they're looking to

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do more of a a regional approach to uh

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lowering people so is that cing us

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anything no no now in terms of um do

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Avenue and R was any study done on those

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two streets yes yes yes I have studies

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on

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both because I remember that you present

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with uh Kings Road only I we did present

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King's Road and we we have done I have

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not I don't know if I've ever presented

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for Dwayne and no I did not okay rby I

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think we might have had Mr

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um both with rugby and 99% sure I have

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it but uh John provided Fred with data

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off of our Optical sensors and he was

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able to put together a report that the

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speed on Rugby was lower than the speed

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on Kings and US easier to reduce to 25

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mil hour and that's what I'm getting at

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is that we were going with this approach

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which was a longer approach and now

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we're going to look at it in a different

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approach and that's my AP because I was

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taking this on a street by Street you

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never going to get done it's like Paving

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the roads so now we're going to use a

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different way the consultant that we're

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working with they're using not only

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they're going to use our Optical sensor

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data they use Google data off phones

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track they have you know a little bit

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bigger of a network and I think that's

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how we're we're going to approach it and

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then we'll have

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one uniformed approach of the whole area

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so when we go forward it'll be the same

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as Troy it'll be the same as Saratoga I

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think some of the other towns are using

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it and uh and that'll kind of I hope

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protect all of us a little bit more when

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we Gove forward but I can get you the

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information for Dwayne and rugby yeah if you can provide that the other

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followup question in terms of um it's

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good that we are moving towards this

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reduction but at the same time can you

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incorporate the enforcement into this

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study because if we're going to reduce

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it then how do we enforce it because if

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we don't enforce it it's going to be the

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same thing well I mean Brian you could

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talk to that a little more if you want

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to but we have purchased more you know

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radar back cameras things like that we

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are working together more on on active

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enforcement can we

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ask us a summ you want to talk to the

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enforcement end of

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it police I'm not

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police we have to I'm sorry you have to

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it's for the

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public okay yeah enforcement is built in

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no matter what the speeding is so so

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changing the speed limit does present

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new challenges for us because we have to

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consider that since the signs are

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changed we have to give people time to

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get accustomed to the new speed but

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we're enforcing the speed limit now when

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we change the speed limit if we change

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the speed limit that we'll be enforcing

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speed limit whatever the new speed limit

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is so well my question to that is do you

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have the resource to to enforce it and

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do would you need additional resource

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for

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enforcement I would say that it will be

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a little bit more intensive than normal

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because there will be an adjustment I

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would expect during that period there

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would probably be more advisements than

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normal but but we would still be

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conducting enforcement activities

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obviously resources would help us with

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that so so Mr you may want to consider

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that into the traffic

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study enforcement any resource that is

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needed well I work with police on on

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what we we need to do

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no Mr T is

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next

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um oh I'm totally in in support of um

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getting the grant getting the study

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especially because we don't want any

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repercussions from lawsuits and things

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so I I I respect that and work that

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you're doing on that um Mr W um I'm I'm

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interested in uh from Brian uh Canon so

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when we reduce

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uh the speed if it gets reduced how does

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that work f with signal control and all

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the lights that have to be rearranged in

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the city and stop and

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go know

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um

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change um sure so um you know when we

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reduce the speed I know that you know

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signal control has to have plates at

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different uh intervals throughout to

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make things move quickly so what would

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that entail on your part there will be

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an adjustment as far as making sure some

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of the timed lights fitting them into

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maybe this new system where obviously

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the traffic was going a little bit

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faster now we have to go and adjust that

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on a Case by casee basis depending on

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what we land on after you know we do all

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these studies and uh do the ultimate

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adjustment here and that's just

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something that we'll have to do um kind

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of just making sure we outline the right

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traffic signals and

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has and um the signage um you know what would in t you be able to do that

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in in house it is a major signage

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project if what we foresee comes to

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fruition but um with the gr money we

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should be able to make be able to get

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that done so the gr money no no we're

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going to have to budget for us Grand

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handles a study that's what we're

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talking about so that was so to to John

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to your point you're what we're doing

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now is that we're going to we're going

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to wrap our heads around in the next

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month the budget right we're going to

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find out what is going to cost us to do

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these changes if there's any enforcement

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things that need to be put into the

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budget there's any capital I don't think

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our inhouse Personnel are going to be

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able to tackle this uh at one time so

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that's what we're going to have to all

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work together on putting together some

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budget numbers either capital or

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operating and say for this year to make

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this transition this is what we're going

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to need to do

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but thatan that was we talk that was one

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of the main reasons that we didn't know

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what the impact was um the new mutcd

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that just came out um that's the manual

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uniform traffic control devices uh with

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signage you know they will it does have

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a sign in the new one that will allow it

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says um 25 mil hour unless otherwise

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indicated so that's the sign that you

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were talking about putting at the

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entrances so then we would put 30 m hour

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signs where they would be um but once

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again is that looking at what the city

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of Aly has done we may be able

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to have more in that lower speed which I

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did not think was possible know CU roads

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are classified arterial collectors all

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like and I didn't think that maybe we

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would be able eligible to reduce those

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and it looks like we may be eligible to

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do that which would which would be great

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something that we talked about you know

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if State Street were to actually go down

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we're looking at you know classifying

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State Street from Brandy Wine Avenue to

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downtown it's very heavy compared to

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some other areas on State Street so

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really looking at it um you know that's

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what the density St you look at whereas

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right now if you seen in the we're P do

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a Max and Road Extension Max Road

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Extension is it's a Gateway into the

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city but it is really not a high density

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area so those are areas it's a different

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way of looking at it and that's that's

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where like I said the first time we're

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looking at it so micro this is so much

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big um and that's what in Brian you know

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being new what he has John still as a

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resource kind of wrap his head around

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what the impact that his Department's

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going to

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be we will we will cross the finish line

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with this it's just just have to get

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little

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BK so yeah first I want to say thank you

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for you know kind of looking outside of the city and trying to leverage

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existing resources in neighor

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communities I think that's a really

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great um tactic and I I I appreciate

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your due Dil there so my question is and

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I think that a lot of the members of the

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council we are hearing things this has

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been something that we've been talking

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about um but it seems like if I'm

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understanding this correctly kind of

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this this new shift and kind of our

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approach you know might get us more

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impact for when when we start to run

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things out in other words it doesn't

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seem like even though we kind of going

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um One Direction now using um this

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resource that uh has won this GR and and

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us partners with them will allow us to

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do things in a larger impact which is

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really good I guess my question is if we

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have those speed humps right

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now would it be wise for us to try to

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deploy those in time as we're trying to

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figure out things and doing the studies

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would we be able to deploy those those

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speed humps as a deterrent um to kind of

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at

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least less than the likelihood or or

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going to produce some results for the

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public

543
00:22:29,080 --> 00:22:30,799
talking to us about

544
00:22:30,799 --> 00:22:32,880
this you talk about the two temporary

545
00:22:32,880 --> 00:22:37,640
speed HS we only have two we two have

546
00:22:37,640 --> 00:22:39,679
two we have we have two they were on

547
00:22:39,679 --> 00:22:41,400
Dwayne Avenue and we do have them at

548
00:22:41,400 --> 00:22:45,149
Foster Avenue right

549
00:22:45,159 --> 00:22:47,440
now so we we could deploy those

550
00:22:47,440 --> 00:22:49,240
somewhere if there was a if there was a

551
00:22:49,240 --> 00:22:51,039
location the Dwayne was a really great

552
00:22:51,039 --> 00:22:54,279
location for because of the uh character

553
00:22:54,279 --> 00:22:56,600
of the street straight long wide

554
00:22:56,600 --> 00:22:59,000
proximity to a school zone and it really

555
00:22:59,000 --> 00:23:02,320
gave us a a good a good area to test

556
00:23:02,320 --> 00:23:04,279
that at and it was successful and I

557
00:23:04,279 --> 00:23:06,480
believe um at least I'm talking with

558
00:23:06,480 --> 00:23:08,480
Marvin you know she really says the

559
00:23:08,480 --> 00:23:10,480
community wants them back um and it's

560
00:23:10,480 --> 00:23:11,720
something that we wanted to talk with

561
00:23:11,720 --> 00:23:14,080
ogs about I haven't had that talk about

562
00:23:14,080 --> 00:23:16,600
starting uh once we once they think that

563
00:23:16,600 --> 00:23:18,039
they are successful if we want to make

564
00:23:18,039 --> 00:23:20,320
them permanent features of the city uh

565
00:23:20,320 --> 00:23:21,679
and that's something also that Albany

566
00:23:21,679 --> 00:23:24,279
has done with a a large investment into

567
00:23:24,279 --> 00:23:27,279
speed speed pumps in Harbor

568
00:23:27,279 --> 00:23:29,600
build um I think when we're thinking

569
00:23:29,600 --> 00:23:31,400
about the budget and and the studies

570
00:23:31,400 --> 00:23:34,400
that you're all talking about um I mean

571
00:23:34,400 --> 00:23:36,600
hopefully we'll also be looking at where

572
00:23:36,600 --> 00:23:39,760
we might need more stop signs also right

573
00:23:39,760 --> 00:23:42,840
would be part of this I think um I know

574
00:23:42,840 --> 00:23:44,559
but I'm just saying from everything stop

575
00:23:44,559 --> 00:23:46,640
signs are are I know that they're

576
00:23:46,640 --> 00:23:49,720
regulated by the do I I mean believe me

577
00:23:49,720 --> 00:23:50,919
we've been talking about this since

578
00:23:50,919 --> 00:23:54,120
August of 2022 so and I you know so

579
00:23:54,120 --> 00:23:55,720
we've done a lot of research and and a

580
00:23:55,720 --> 00:23:58,720
lot of reading on this um uh the other

581
00:23:58,720 --> 00:24:01,360
thing I wanted to say was that Mr PA

582
00:24:01,360 --> 00:24:04,320
many had also mentioned the cameras on

583
00:24:04,320 --> 00:24:07,720
uh the stock lights uh the traff lights

584
00:24:07,720 --> 00:24:10,880
um and I don't know if we ever um got

585
00:24:10,880 --> 00:24:13,360
them in got them in um I mean again that

586
00:24:13,360 --> 00:24:14,960
would be sort of this what he was

587
00:24:14,960 --> 00:24:17,799
talking about at that time which I also

588
00:24:17,799 --> 00:24:21,120
support is the idea that um you know it

589
00:24:21,120 --> 00:24:24,080
would automatically ticket um people

590
00:24:24,080 --> 00:24:26,799
that were going through uh red lights

591
00:24:26,799 --> 00:24:30,919
for example do we do that now so um to

592
00:24:30,919 --> 00:24:33,120
have red light cameras uh requires an

593
00:24:33,120 --> 00:24:35,039
active State Legislature which we did

594
00:24:35,039 --> 00:24:38,240
not pursue or we did pursue we did it's

595
00:24:38,240 --> 00:24:41,480
not we did get it okay so we because I

596
00:24:41,480 --> 00:24:44,679
know ALB has it and al2 ALB just

597
00:24:44,679 --> 00:24:47,960
employed cameras for school zones as

598
00:24:47,960 --> 00:24:50,880
well so Albany is looking to do cameras

599
00:24:50,880 --> 00:24:56,590
for both we can check into it but I

600
00:24:56,600 --> 00:24:59,320
thought I thought we had the the home

601
00:24:59,320 --> 00:25:02,640
rul yes we did this year so we're

602
00:25:02,640 --> 00:25:04,559
allowed to install

603
00:25:04,559 --> 00:25:08,320
them I want to ver I can check I'll pass

604
00:25:08,320 --> 00:25:09,799
I'll the only municipality I know where

605
00:25:09,799 --> 00:25:11,399
that I thought was I know that we

606
00:25:11,399 --> 00:25:12,799
submitted and asked for home rule on

607
00:25:12,799 --> 00:25:16,789
that and I'm pretty sure

608
00:25:16,799 --> 00:25:20,559
my so that's homework

609
00:25:20,559 --> 00:25:22,880
I if that's something too that we were

610
00:25:22,880 --> 00:25:29,440
look into that is also uh budgetary that would be a large um budget number

611
00:25:29,440 --> 00:25:33,159
is that is a essentially a service um

612
00:25:33,159 --> 00:25:34,360
that that comes with it you know You'

613
00:25:34,360 --> 00:25:37,480
have to do an RFP select a vendor that

614
00:25:37,480 --> 00:25:40,039
is a that would be a large undertaking

615
00:25:40,039 --> 00:25:42,760
but it Aly has found it successful and

616
00:25:42,760 --> 00:25:44,679
that's why they're doing it with school

617
00:25:44,679 --> 00:25:47,559
zones you did you

618
00:25:47,559 --> 00:25:49,720
have is there something I don't believe

619
00:25:49,720 --> 00:25:52,640
the home rule legislation pass the

620
00:25:52,640 --> 00:25:57,159
theory is changing on uh speeding where

621
00:25:57,159 --> 00:25:58,960
the standard used to be

622
00:25:58,960 --> 00:26:01,679
85 percentile of the

623
00:26:01,679 --> 00:26:05,120
drivers what they felt was a comfortable

624
00:26:05,120 --> 00:26:08,279
speed so you'd set it at 55 you set it

625
00:26:08,279 --> 00:26:11,080
at 30 you set it at a lower amount the

626
00:26:11,080 --> 00:26:13,000
theory now is Shifting because of the

627
00:26:13,000 --> 00:26:16,240
number of auto accidents uh

628
00:26:16,240 --> 00:26:19,399
pedestrian uh

629
00:26:19,399 --> 00:26:22,279
accidents safety is taking a higher

630
00:26:22,279 --> 00:26:25,240
priority and that seems to be the theory

631
00:26:25,240 --> 00:26:27,480
which didn't seem to be available before

632
00:26:27,480 --> 00:26:28,840
wasn't accepted

633
00:26:28,840 --> 00:26:32,399
is what Aly did and so you can go

634
00:26:32,399 --> 00:26:35,000
through and look at these areas where

635
00:26:35,000 --> 00:26:36,440
the utilization is higher with

636
00:26:36,440 --> 00:26:38,679
pedestrian traffic bike traffic other

637
00:26:38,679 --> 00:26:42,120
things and take that into account

638
00:26:42,120 --> 00:26:46,480
for your determination of the speed then

639
00:26:46,480 --> 00:26:49,360
of course enforcement and education is a

640
00:26:49,360 --> 00:26:51,039
big component of that no matter what we

641
00:26:51,039 --> 00:26:52,440
put up there you got to get people to

642
00:26:52,440 --> 00:26:54,799
comply with

643
00:26:54,799 --> 00:26:57,960
it thank you go ahead p and I guess that

644
00:26:57,960 --> 00:27:01,159
is um I I I want to add to that that um

645
00:27:01,159 --> 00:27:02,520
I understand that there's going to be a

646
00:27:02,520 --> 00:27:05,440
budgetary cost um to this but I I do

647
00:27:05,440 --> 00:27:07,760
think that um the bottom line is that I

648
00:27:07,760 --> 00:27:10,399
do think it will save lives um and

649
00:27:10,399 --> 00:27:15,120
reduce um crashes so um in that sense um

650
00:27:15,120 --> 00:27:18,039
you know I think we need to really

651
00:27:18,039 --> 00:27:20,640
seriously consider this even with the

652
00:27:20,640 --> 00:27:23,159
additional cost that

653
00:27:23,159 --> 00:27:25,000
it well we're definitely going to have

654
00:27:25,000 --> 00:27:27,120
to look into to what the impacts to be

655
00:27:27,120 --> 00:27:29,640
financially but you know we can't put a

656
00:27:29,640 --> 00:27:31,960
dollar on on people's lives on people's

657
00:27:31,960 --> 00:27:33,720
safety you know to put a human face on

658
00:27:33,720 --> 00:27:36,200
this we I know about the woman who was

659
00:27:36,200 --> 00:27:38,200
injured had a traumatic bra injury

660
00:27:38,200 --> 00:27:40,039
because of the accent believe was on

661
00:27:40,039 --> 00:27:42,679
Boulevard um and so you know she's

662
00:27:42,679 --> 00:27:45,519
written to us and um just talked about

663
00:27:45,519 --> 00:27:47,440
how it's impact her life we and all of

664
00:27:47,440 --> 00:27:49,600
you have the information here from Mr

665
00:27:49,600 --> 00:27:53,600
Collins on uh on um King's Road and and

666
00:27:53,600 --> 00:27:55,799
the impact that has had on him and his

667
00:27:55,799 --> 00:27:58,840
family financially so you know we know

668
00:27:58,840 --> 00:28:00,200
it's going to cost some money but it's

669
00:28:00,200 --> 00:28:01,600
definitely something that we need to do

670
00:28:01,600 --> 00:28:04,039
in and to make sure that our our

671
00:28:04,039 --> 00:28:05,960
citizens are safe and just to say this

672
00:28:05,960 --> 00:28:07,600
gone back more than two years because we

673
00:28:07,600 --> 00:28:09,640
were talking about speed humps long

674
00:28:09,640 --> 00:28:11,600
before they ever got there so it's been

675
00:28:11,600 --> 00:28:13,559
quite a while that speeding's been an

676
00:28:13,559 --> 00:28:15,240
issue in our city and we've been trying

677
00:28:15,240 --> 00:28:18,080
to figure out ways to um you know to

678
00:28:18,080 --> 00:28:20,840
resolve it and to get people to comply

679
00:28:20,840 --> 00:28:26,559
and to have enforcement and change the mindset actually around speeding so

680
00:28:26,559 --> 00:28:29,559
um I'm sorry Mr ch

681
00:28:29,559 --> 00:28:33,240
um Mr Mar how will this affect um uh

682
00:28:33,240 --> 00:28:35,760
electric bikes scooters electric motors

683
00:28:35,760 --> 00:28:37,600
that are flying around the city on the

684
00:28:37,600 --> 00:28:39,480
sidewalks on the street most of them can

685
00:28:39,480 --> 00:28:42,840
do between 30 and 50 m an hour I know we

686
00:28:42,840 --> 00:28:45,720
just got some new bikes um and I was

687
00:28:45,720 --> 00:28:48,840
told that they can can go up to uh 50 m

688
00:28:48,840 --> 00:28:51,320
an hour so what happens there again

689
00:28:51,320 --> 00:28:54,000
would be enforcement maybe

690
00:28:54,000 --> 00:28:58,960
or yeah yeah yeah

691
00:28:58,960 --> 00:29:00,279
I mean anything that can travel that

692
00:29:00,279 --> 00:29:02,320
fast that isn't you know powered by

693
00:29:02,320 --> 00:29:04,760
pedaling alone would be considered a

694
00:29:04,760 --> 00:29:06,480
motor vehicle whether it's electric or

695
00:29:06,480 --> 00:29:08,640
not so it would be subject to all

696
00:29:08,640 --> 00:29:10,760
vehicle and traffic laws

697
00:29:10,760 --> 00:29:12,279
that

698
00:29:12,279 --> 00:29:14,640
the

699
00:29:14,640 --> 00:29:16,960
that that is also something that we just

700
00:29:16,960 --> 00:29:19,519
talked about today uh called Turn Down

701
00:29:19,519 --> 00:29:22,120
micr mobility and the impact that that's

702
00:29:22,120 --> 00:29:26,190
having on

703
00:29:26,200 --> 00:29:29,679
everything Mr topic of speed PP um we

704
00:29:29,679 --> 00:29:30,760
had allocated

705
00:29:30,760 --> 00:29:33,640
$20,000 did we utilize all that funding

706
00:29:33,640 --> 00:29:37,039
we have we have around 65

707
00:29:37,039 --> 00:29:39,480
left we bought two and we didn't have

708
00:29:39,480 --> 00:29:41,159
enough yeah they're pretty

709
00:29:41,159 --> 00:29:43,320
expensive I can look into it but yes we

710
00:29:43,320 --> 00:29:46,840
did we did use we did use uh more than

711
00:29:46,840 --> 00:29:48,760
half the money for the two their speed

712
00:29:48,760 --> 00:29:50,840
tables are a little bit larger um than

713
00:29:50,840 --> 00:29:58,630
the speed hump but we do have the Stu

714
00:29:58,640 --> 00:30:01,240
I know Miss Patrick that you your your

715
00:30:01,240 --> 00:30:03,279
goal tonight was to try get this move

716
00:30:03,279 --> 00:30:04,399
through but it doesn't sound like

717
00:30:04,399 --> 00:30:06,080
something that we could move forward on

718
00:30:06,080 --> 00:30:10,640
tonight sounds like we're going to have um this study um so again

719
00:30:10,640 --> 00:30:12,760
there's no timeline yet though no I I

720
00:30:12,760 --> 00:30:14,320
will get the timeline and I will come

721
00:30:14,320 --> 00:30:16,440
back with the other two study reports

722
00:30:16,440 --> 00:30:19,519
that we have next time talk about that

723
00:30:19,519 --> 00:30:21,600
and follow up with the speed hump data

724
00:30:21,600 --> 00:30:24,880
after I talk with uh ogs and uh SPD a

725
00:30:24,880 --> 00:30:29,679
little bit more about you know if there

726
00:30:29,679 --> 00:30:32,080
there's what I said before which is the

727
00:30:32,080 --> 00:30:35,279
issue is that this is a very large topic

728
00:30:35,279 --> 00:30:37,679
and once we start down the road it's

729
00:30:37,679 --> 00:30:41,240
going to get harder so what it is is how

730
00:30:41,240 --> 00:30:43,720
did we select Dwayne Avenue we used

731
00:30:43,720 --> 00:30:45,399
engineering judgment to select Dwayne

732
00:30:45,399 --> 00:30:47,399
Avenue we put the temporary on Dwayne

733
00:30:47,399 --> 00:30:49,960
Avenue and we did a study on Dwayne

734
00:30:49,960 --> 00:30:53,480
Avenue but now that that recommendation

735
00:30:53,480 --> 00:30:55,320
then is that yes it was effective and

736
00:30:55,320 --> 00:30:58,799
yes we can put permanent then what is

737
00:30:58,799 --> 00:31:02,639
preventing everyone in the city from

738
00:31:02,639 --> 00:31:07,000
asking for Speed HS and we just can't

739
00:31:07,000 --> 00:31:09,519
have a speed hump on every residential

740
00:31:09,519 --> 00:31:12,679
Road in the city so that's where we have

741
00:31:12,679 --> 00:31:14,320
to get back and follow city of

742
00:31:14,320 --> 00:31:16,399
Rochester's guidelines and start looking

743
00:31:16,399 --> 00:31:19,399
at guidelines of our own which require

744
00:31:19,399 --> 00:31:21,480
petitions similar to our sidewalk

745
00:31:21,480 --> 00:31:24,760
assessment which require action because

746
00:31:24,760 --> 00:31:28,360
we have to put some roadblocks up to how

747
00:31:28,360 --> 00:31:31,360
we are deciding where to put speed HPS

748
00:31:31,360 --> 00:31:33,639
and barriers and investing in this

749
00:31:33,639 --> 00:31:36,200
because it it if we don't we're just

750
00:31:36,200 --> 00:31:39,440
opening it up to I think I want and I

751
00:31:39,440 --> 00:31:40,919
really don't want to go down something

752
00:31:40,919 --> 00:31:44,080
where we have that um so that's that's

753
00:31:44,080 --> 00:31:45,720
part of the reason of

754
00:31:45,720 --> 00:31:49,190
dragging

755
00:31:49,200 --> 00:31:51,039
that's

756
00:31:51,039 --> 00:31:53,919
so I think it's a positive step forward

757
00:31:53,919 --> 00:31:56,159
what you're doing sitting on this for a

758
00:31:56,159 --> 00:31:58,760
long time and at this going I ask you

759
00:31:58,760 --> 00:32:00,960
know our residents just please to be

760
00:32:00,960 --> 00:32:02,840
patient until this comes through and I

761
00:32:02,840 --> 00:32:04,600
think it'd be beneficial to the entire

762
00:32:04,600 --> 00:32:08,159
city I do I know it's been a long

763
00:32:08,159 --> 00:32:11,440
time this is definitely moving forward

764
00:32:11,440 --> 00:32:14,919
we're getting closer there you go we're

765
00:32:14,919 --> 00:32:17,600
getting closer to the end of something I

766
00:32:17,600 --> 00:32:18,559
don't know if people are going to like

767
00:32:18,559 --> 00:32:20,000
where the end goes that's why I'm trying

768
00:32:20,000 --> 00:32:25,360
to you know I'm trying to PA you know we you know 25 mph hopefully is where

769
00:32:25,360 --> 00:32:26,880
everybody wants 25 mil hour We're

770
00:32:26,880 --> 00:32:28,919
putting speed HPS for both people want

771
00:32:28,919 --> 00:32:31,519
them or not want them it's just this is

772
00:32:31,519 --> 00:32:34,200
a larger conversation I just don't want

773
00:32:34,200 --> 00:32:37,159
it to happen spaic I have not gotten

774
00:32:37,159 --> 00:32:39,200
anything ever really in writing or a

775
00:32:39,200 --> 00:32:41,880
petition yet for a speed hun you just

776
00:32:41,880 --> 00:32:43,519
did it engineering this was a good

777
00:32:43,519 --> 00:32:45,279
location to see if it was effective if

778
00:32:45,279 --> 00:32:46,679
it is effective then we have to come up

779
00:32:46,679 --> 00:32:48,760
with some kind of guideline to how we

780
00:32:48,760 --> 00:32:50,600
start implementing and that's what we

781
00:32:50,600 --> 00:32:52,840
have to work on and that's going to take

782
00:32:52,840 --> 00:32:54,880
time to put together so I know we

783
00:32:54,880 --> 00:32:55,960
haven't gotten a petition but we've

784
00:32:55,960 --> 00:32:57,960
certainly got a lot of f yeah that's so

785
00:32:57,960 --> 00:33:00,320
are going to have to I I get request all

786
00:33:00,320 --> 00:33:01,559
that yeah but I'm talking about the

787
00:33:01,559 --> 00:33:03,639
council okay coming to the council that

788
00:33:03,639 --> 00:33:08,200
we had like certain areas said here here so we have gotten request so that

789
00:33:08,200 --> 00:33:09,639
my point is there's the place we can

790
00:33:09,639 --> 00:33:11,480
start if they're going to be you know

791
00:33:11,480 --> 00:33:13,519
looking at petition I get that can't to

792
00:33:13,519 --> 00:33:15,399
everything but you

793
00:33:15,399 --> 00:33:18,679
know if you want we could I guess I

794
00:33:18,679 --> 00:33:20,279
don't think so but but then the other

795
00:33:20,279 --> 00:33:23,559
part of this is wait one second the

796
00:33:23,559 --> 00:33:26,200
other thing is that we um there were

797
00:33:26,200 --> 00:33:28,440
accidents and Mr talked about this one

798
00:33:28,440 --> 00:33:30,799
of the ways that he was determining this

799
00:33:30,799 --> 00:33:33,440
was where there were accidents and that

800
00:33:33,440 --> 00:33:36,360
was part of it as well so those are

801
00:33:36,360 --> 00:33:38,919
determining factors from based on he

802
00:33:38,919 --> 00:33:40,200
what he told

803
00:33:40,200 --> 00:33:43,120
us M Patrick yeah I I guess I want to

804
00:33:43,120 --> 00:33:46,279
say um that I I mean I feel residents

805
00:33:46,279 --> 00:33:48,480
haven't actually been patient I think

806
00:33:48,480 --> 00:33:49,799
that maybe they've been patient but

807
00:33:49,799 --> 00:33:51,639
they're not patient any longer um I

808
00:33:51,639 --> 00:33:55,039
think it is um definitely the number one

809
00:33:55,039 --> 00:33:57,440
thing I hear about um several times a

810
00:33:57,440 --> 00:33:58,399
week

811
00:33:58,399 --> 00:34:01,440
and um you know it really has gone on

812
00:34:01,440 --> 00:34:04,039
and I'm not I'm not criticizing you guys

813
00:34:04,039 --> 00:34:07,559
um but it has gone on now for you know a

814
00:34:07,559 --> 00:34:11,480
long time um and um I I just feel like

815
00:34:11,480 --> 00:34:12,839
it's one of those things that this

816
00:34:12,839 --> 00:34:15,399
Council has to make a decision and take

817
00:34:15,399 --> 00:34:17,480
some action on um because we've been

818
00:34:17,480 --> 00:34:19,159
talking about studies and we've had

819
00:34:19,159 --> 00:34:23,000
studies and I mean we have Federal data

820
00:34:23,000 --> 00:34:25,560
um we're seeing what's happening in in

821
00:34:25,560 --> 00:34:28,960
other places but it's FR I guess I'm

822
00:34:28,960 --> 00:34:31,079
expressing my frustration right now as

823
00:34:31,079 --> 00:34:34,000
well which I think is um because I'm

824
00:34:34,000 --> 00:34:35,679
hearing the frustration of so many

825
00:34:35,679 --> 00:34:40,159
residents um as well so um I

826
00:34:40,159 --> 00:34:43,839
mean I I I guess I'm getting at the end

827
00:34:43,839 --> 00:34:47,919
of um coming up with Solutions um here I

828
00:34:47,919 --> 00:34:49,119
think we have a solution it's just a

829
00:34:49,119 --> 00:34:51,399
matter of being able to implement Mr

830
00:34:51,399 --> 00:34:52,480
yeah that's I was going to addressing I

831
00:34:52,480 --> 00:34:53,879
think we need to give Mr Wen the

832
00:34:53,879 --> 00:34:55,879
opportunity to do the traffic study and

833
00:34:55,879 --> 00:34:57,359
come back to us with a comprehensive

834
00:34:57,359 --> 00:34:59,680
plan yes we had traffic study but it was

835
00:34:59,680 --> 00:35:02,800
on Kings Road only I I don't recall that

836
00:35:02,800 --> 00:35:05,200
we had any traffic study across the city

837
00:35:05,200 --> 00:35:08,640
or paral um City you know Citywide or

838
00:35:08,640 --> 00:35:10,960
things like that so there was only one

839
00:35:10,960 --> 00:35:13,400
study that was done on Kings Road so we

840
00:35:13,400 --> 00:35:14,920
just need to give him the opportunity

841
00:35:14,920 --> 00:35:16,839
come back to us and I think we're going

842
00:35:16,839 --> 00:35:19,359
to move forward with the recommendation

843
00:35:19,359 --> 00:35:21,720
that coming from his

844
00:35:21,720 --> 00:35:25,280
office Mr so I was just say

845
00:35:25,280 --> 00:35:29,910
I Patrick I share the

846
00:35:29,920 --> 00:35:31,839
to F this frustration but you know

847
00:35:31,839 --> 00:35:35,160
definitely want to um get get some

848
00:35:35,160 --> 00:35:37,040
movement out of this I feel like you

849
00:35:37,040 --> 00:35:39,200
know we have been talked about it for a

850
00:35:39,200 --> 00:35:41,440
while and some things are problems are

851
00:35:41,440 --> 00:35:43,560
that complicated that we have to do

852
00:35:43,560 --> 00:35:45,920
diligence I'm all for that I just want

853
00:35:45,920 --> 00:35:47,920
ear I heard you say that we had only two

854
00:35:47,920 --> 00:35:49,400
speed hunts and then you said something

855
00:35:49,400 --> 00:35:52,400
about speed tables that we did at those

856
00:35:52,400 --> 00:35:54,480
they're the same we have two speed T

857
00:35:54,480 --> 00:35:56,960
okay okay okay I again what what I'm

858
00:35:56,960 --> 00:35:59,560
trying to accomplish here is to say like

859
00:35:59,560 --> 00:36:01,599
you know it seems like there that

860
00:36:01,599 --> 00:36:03,280
there's going to be some time before we

861
00:36:03,280 --> 00:36:05,760
can implement this fully so what are the

862
00:36:05,760 --> 00:36:08,359
more graduated measures that we can take

863
00:36:08,359 --> 00:36:10,040
in the meantime so that's what kind of

864
00:36:10,040 --> 00:36:10,880
I'm

865
00:36:10,880 --> 00:36:13,720
open up to anyone to kind of say like oh

866
00:36:13,720 --> 00:36:15,760
you know as we do the study these are

867
00:36:15,760 --> 00:36:16,839
some of the things we could do to kind

868
00:36:16,839 --> 00:36:18,119
of meet the needs of residents in

869
00:36:18,119 --> 00:36:19,560
between tun time and if there are

870
00:36:19,560 --> 00:36:21,800
something like that then I really to

871
00:36:21,800 --> 00:36:23,680
hear them and if they're not in between

872
00:36:23,680 --> 00:36:24,839
now and the time that you come back

873
00:36:24,839 --> 00:36:25,960
maybe that's something that we all start

874
00:36:25,960 --> 00:36:28,920
to kind of collect

875
00:36:28,920 --> 00:36:31,000
I'm sorry one more comment because I do

876
00:36:31,000 --> 00:36:33,400
think that um we've seen data um that

877
00:36:33,400 --> 00:36:36,119
was presented to us um actually in our

878
00:36:36,119 --> 00:36:39,599
neighborhood um on the Plaza um in

879
00:36:39,599 --> 00:36:42,520
streets sort of above

880
00:36:42,520 --> 00:36:45,760
yours from Mr fucho we we heard about um

881
00:36:45,760 --> 00:36:48,079
the volume of accidents I I want to say

882
00:36:48,079 --> 00:36:51,280
like the plaza and you know Regent or

883
00:36:51,280 --> 00:36:55,839
Dean um we've also um seen the data on

884
00:36:55,839 --> 00:36:58,760
uh Rugby Road um um and I think we might

885
00:36:58,760 --> 00:37:00,760
have seen some data on Brandy Wine as

886
00:37:00,760 --> 00:37:02,359
well this is just over the last few

887
00:37:02,359 --> 00:37:05,000
years but um I think the other piece of

888
00:37:05,000 --> 00:37:07,720
it is that there are the there is the

889
00:37:07,720 --> 00:37:13,839
ability to just pull the data on um a week for example and I would

890
00:37:13,839 --> 00:37:16,000
thank Mr Collins for sharing this with

891
00:37:16,000 --> 00:37:18,560
me I think last week um but you know we

892
00:37:18,560 --> 00:37:20,880
can pull speeding data for a week in a

893
00:37:20,880 --> 00:37:24,880
certain area and see even at what times

894
00:37:24,880 --> 00:37:26,520
what what the speeds are that cars are

895
00:37:26,520 --> 00:37:29,839
going so I I guess we don't have to do

896
00:37:29,839 --> 00:37:32,680
like major study I mean we can just pull

897
00:37:32,680 --> 00:37:35,000
data that we already have um I don't

898
00:37:35,000 --> 00:37:36,839
know if it comes from the police

899
00:37:36,839 --> 00:37:39,359
department or if it comes from um our

900
00:37:39,359 --> 00:37:41,079
signal we sign boards that have the

901
00:37:41,079 --> 00:37:44,880
ability to do that um so I understand

902
00:37:44,880 --> 00:37:48,160
what you're saying however Mr Mr um W is

903
00:37:48,160 --> 00:37:49,040
talking about something more

904
00:37:49,040 --> 00:37:51,480
comprehensive so I I don't know if we

905
00:37:51,480 --> 00:37:53,760
peil it or we just let that this

906
00:37:53,760 --> 00:37:55,480
comprehensive thing happen and then we

907
00:37:55,480 --> 00:37:57,800
get this done I won't say once for all

908
00:37:57,800 --> 00:38:00,160
because things change but get this done

909
00:38:00,160 --> 00:38:02,680
in the most effective way to be able to

910
00:38:02,680 --> 00:38:04,599
implement

911
00:38:04,599 --> 00:38:07,720
it so Mr Farley during the whole process

912
00:38:07,720 --> 00:38:09,839
is going to take some time to get the

913
00:38:09,839 --> 00:38:12,880
traffic study in place can we consider

914
00:38:12,880 --> 00:38:15,880
buying some more speed home and to help

915
00:38:15,880 --> 00:38:18,280
with certain location across the the

916
00:38:18,280 --> 00:38:20,480
city to help reduce the

917
00:38:20,480 --> 00:38:24,079
speed is that something you willing to

918
00:38:24,079 --> 00:38:27,560
inter I will buy as many speed tables as

919
00:38:27,560 --> 00:38:30,000
you would like the issue is I do not

920
00:38:30,000 --> 00:38:32,760
install the speed tables I do not remove

921
00:38:32,760 --> 00:38:36,240
the speed tables so it is a labor we do

922
00:38:36,240 --> 00:38:37,800
have some issues sometimes when it comes

923
00:38:37,800 --> 00:38:41,359
to that so if we would like to buy a

924
00:38:41,359 --> 00:38:42,960
dozen speed tables and put them

925
00:38:42,960 --> 00:38:45,599
throughout the city I'm not putting them

926
00:38:45,599 --> 00:38:48,119
in I'm perfectly fine I'm just saying

927
00:38:48,119 --> 00:38:51,319
they are it is a process to put them in

928
00:38:51,319 --> 00:38:52,599
uh we do like to try to leave them in

929
00:38:52,599 --> 00:38:55,000
for a little bit of time because um

930
00:38:55,000 --> 00:38:56,960
they're they are you know it's it's a

931
00:38:56,960 --> 00:39:00,599
big jigsa so we can do it um and and if

932
00:39:00,599 --> 00:39:02,440
we had some solid locations that we like

933
00:39:02,440 --> 00:39:04,680
to put them in that's that's fine I mean

934
00:39:04,680 --> 00:39:06,880
that's why we have City staff so well I

935
00:39:06,880 --> 00:39:11,200
guess that's my my side of it is we can put them in wherever we're

936
00:39:11,200 --> 00:39:14,599
requested it's just it is labor

937
00:39:14,599 --> 00:39:17,920
intensive and there's a cost there is a

938
00:39:17,920 --> 00:39:21,119
cost need time for ordering I can find

939
00:39:21,119 --> 00:39:24,680
that uh um I I don't think it's too

940
00:39:24,680 --> 00:39:28,040
absorbent because they're they modular

941
00:39:28,040 --> 00:39:29,839
sections and you make the section as big

942
00:39:29,839 --> 00:39:32,119
or small as you want so I can talk with

943
00:39:32,119 --> 00:39:34,720
them about getting some more um we did

944
00:39:34,720 --> 00:39:37,280
talk about putting some on Rugby um we

945
00:39:37,280 --> 00:39:39,760
did talk about putting some on Kings um

946
00:39:39,760 --> 00:39:41,520
I hadn't heard of the plaza but that I

947
00:39:41,520 --> 00:39:43,440
can understand up there by the plaza

948
00:39:43,440 --> 00:39:45,359
there's a kind of a curve and there

949
00:39:45,359 --> 00:39:46,800
there's an area there that I believe has

950
00:39:46,800 --> 00:39:48,599
some issues so we can look at things

951
00:39:48,599 --> 00:39:49,680
like

952
00:39:49,680 --> 00:39:52,680
that but once again that just how they

953
00:39:52,680 --> 00:39:56,880
go in is that's kind of my my little is

954
00:39:56,880 --> 00:40:00,839
how how pick so that it's not just the

955
00:40:00,839 --> 00:40:02,640
table coming to me and saying I think we

956
00:40:02,640 --> 00:40:03,960
should put them

957
00:40:03,960 --> 00:40:06,720
there we can uh we can consider that and

958
00:40:06,720 --> 00:40:08,520
just to add in terms of the traffic

959
00:40:08,520 --> 00:40:11,599
study Mr May our Smart City camera would

960
00:40:11,599 --> 00:40:14,240
that be helpful in terms of this study

961
00:40:14,240 --> 00:40:16,319
that we pull out out from the Smart City

962
00:40:16,319 --> 00:40:18,839
camera yes that's the information you

963
00:40:18,839 --> 00:40:20,599
got that's where we're getting that from

964
00:40:20,599 --> 00:40:22,160
it's far more detailed and what's

965
00:40:22,160 --> 00:40:23,839
available on

966
00:40:23,839 --> 00:40:26,040
the

967
00:40:26,040 --> 00:40:28,400
speed so we are getting a lot of data

968
00:40:28,400 --> 00:40:30,599
from that yes okay that's where we got

969
00:40:30,599 --> 00:40:34,119
the data for for kings and rugby and

970
00:40:34,119 --> 00:40:38,079
yes so um so if we let's say we order

971
00:40:38,079 --> 00:40:40,119
whatever number the number of speed

972
00:40:40,119 --> 00:40:43,640
tables um what would you recommendation

973
00:40:43,640 --> 00:40:46,079
me in terms of how determining along

974
00:40:46,079 --> 00:40:49,560
with an that inash information would you

975
00:40:49,560 --> 00:40:57,670
have a recommendation in terms of

976
00:40:57,680 --> 00:40:59,920
could I put something together of course

977
00:40:59,920 --> 00:41:01,640
yeah I have some ideas of my head based

978
00:41:01,640 --> 00:41:03,240
off of just everything you said working

979
00:41:03,240 --> 00:41:07,079
with with SPD Brian Bri just just kind

980
00:41:07,079 --> 00:41:08,839
of got through a while ago but yes we

981
00:41:08,839 --> 00:41:10,400
could find locations that we think they

982
00:41:10,400 --> 00:41:12,359
would be

983
00:41:12,359 --> 00:41:14,520
advantageous as I said we Dwayne Avenue

984
00:41:14,520 --> 00:41:16,839
was a great one Rugby Road was a very

985
00:41:16,839 --> 00:41:19,720
good one put there are locations to put

986
00:41:19,720 --> 00:41:22,359
them and there are locations to to

987
00:41:22,359 --> 00:41:25,000
not and and so so if we're talking how

988
00:41:25,000 --> 00:41:26,760
long would you be able to come back and

989
00:41:26,760 --> 00:41:34,270
say these plac and are how

990
00:41:34,280 --> 00:41:37,200
many a couple of Cycles because next

991
00:41:37,200 --> 00:41:38,240
time I'm already coming back with

992
00:41:38,240 --> 00:41:40,599
something so then we can maybe make a

993
00:41:40,599 --> 00:41:43,119
little weekly Ted talk about traffic and

994
00:41:43,119 --> 00:41:45,520
safety okay listen I don't think it's a

995
00:41:45,520 --> 00:41:49,920
bad thing to know that people move and take consideration what's going on

996
00:41:49,920 --> 00:41:52,359
so I'm saying that thank you in two

997
00:41:52,359 --> 00:41:54,560
seconds and I wasn't suggesting that we

998
00:41:54,560 --> 00:41:57,200
needed it on the Plaza that was just Mr

999
00:41:57,200 --> 00:41:58,640
Lucho had made that was one of the

1000
00:41:58,640 --> 00:42:01,000
studies that he had presented to us

1001
00:42:01,000 --> 00:42:03,839
um I I don't remember when I mean in the

1002
00:42:03,839 --> 00:42:07,280
last couple years but um I wasn't saying

1003
00:42:07,280 --> 00:42:09,800
we have to do it there I'm open to

1004
00:42:09,800 --> 00:42:12,400
whatever you all find in terms of the

1005
00:42:12,400 --> 00:42:17,240
data and not to be cynical but that's

1006
00:42:17,240 --> 00:42:20,119
just my nature a lot of times is that

1007
00:42:20,119 --> 00:42:23,839
reducing it is a number so just mentally

1008
00:42:23,839 --> 00:42:27,599
be prepared for reducing it to 25 not

1009
00:42:27,599 --> 00:42:30,800
curing the city's ills absolutely okay

1010
00:42:30,800 --> 00:42:34,079
because it's to me it sounds like we're

1011
00:42:34,079 --> 00:42:36,520
really wishing here a lot that 25 is

1012
00:42:36,520 --> 00:42:39,480
going to do a lot for everyone I well I

1013
00:42:39,480 --> 00:42:40,680
don't think it's any magic thing go

1014
00:42:40,680 --> 00:42:42,400
ahead and well no but I mean I guess I

1015
00:42:42,400 --> 00:42:44,160
could say that there cities across the

1016
00:42:44,160 --> 00:42:46,000
country and across the state that have

1017
00:42:46,000 --> 00:42:48,559
been lowering it to 25 and we have

1018
00:42:48,559 --> 00:42:51,280
research studies that are showing what

1019
00:42:51,280 --> 00:42:54,079
going to 25 does do so it wasn't a

1020
00:42:54,079 --> 00:42:56,079
random number that we picked and I also

1021
00:42:56,079 --> 00:42:58,440
want to say that before I started any of

1022
00:42:58,440 --> 00:43:00,680
these conversations uh a couple years

1023
00:43:00,680 --> 00:43:02,640
ago I did talk with Chief Clifford who

1024
00:43:02,640 --> 00:43:06,040
did think that um you know obviously

1025
00:43:06,040 --> 00:43:07,720
exactly as you said I mean the

1026
00:43:07,720 --> 00:43:10,359
enforcement is going to stay the same so

1027
00:43:10,359 --> 00:43:13,760
um I mean probably people will go 30 um

1028
00:43:13,760 --> 00:43:17,440
if we lower the speed limit to 25 um so

1029
00:43:17,440 --> 00:43:19,640
you know there's a there's a range

1030
00:43:19,640 --> 00:43:21,880
of think about your own driving habits

1031
00:43:21,880 --> 00:43:24,480
but I mean there's a range of of speeds

1032
00:43:24,480 --> 00:43:26,760
that people will go so even you know if

1033
00:43:26,760 --> 00:43:28,839
we lower it it's going to increase

1034
00:43:28,839 --> 00:43:31,079
safety because even if they're going

1035
00:43:31,079 --> 00:43:33,040
above 25 hopefully they won't be going

1036
00:43:33,040 --> 00:43:35,880
above 30 which is what they're doing now

1037
00:43:35,880 --> 00:43:39,400
so um right I mean does that make sense

1038
00:43:39,400 --> 00:43:40,720
certainly yeah there's a range of

1039
00:43:40,720 --> 00:43:50,589
compliance and lowering it lowers that

1040
00:43:50,599 --> 00:43:55,200
range so so Council um am I here are we

1041
00:43:55,200 --> 00:43:57,720
saying that we are in favor of ordering

1042
00:43:57,720 --> 00:44:01,240
some speed humps some addition speed

1043
00:44:01,240 --> 00:44:02,559
tables is that what you're saying

1044
00:44:02,559 --> 00:44:04,520
because that's I'm I'm suggesting that

1045
00:44:04,520 --> 00:44:06,480
that's what be I'm suggesting that's an

1046
00:44:06,480 --> 00:44:09,280
actionable step that we can take in the

1047
00:44:09,280 --> 00:44:12,240
meantime because I think to Mr W's Point

1048
00:44:12,240 --> 00:44:14,040
reducing the speed liment is not a cure

1049
00:44:14,040 --> 00:44:16,319
all it's probably going to take multi

1050
00:44:16,319 --> 00:44:18,720
different you know multi approach to get

1051
00:44:18,720 --> 00:44:20,000
people to be in compliance and that

1052
00:44:20,000 --> 00:44:21,520
seems like one of them so that seems

1053
00:44:21,520 --> 00:44:23,880
like that's something that's within our

1054
00:44:23,880 --> 00:44:25,920
capability and possibilities to doing so

1055
00:44:25,920 --> 00:44:27,160
is that something that we should

1056
00:44:27,160 --> 00:44:30,839
entertaining doing as soon as possible

1057
00:44:30,839 --> 00:44:32,400
as we do these other things that's what

1058
00:44:32,400 --> 00:44:33,280
I'm

1059
00:44:33,280 --> 00:44:35,160
suggesting that's that's what I was

1060
00:44:35,160 --> 00:44:37,280
suggesting that we look at that in the

1061
00:44:37,280 --> 00:44:39,440
meantime we're completing the study but

1062
00:44:39,440 --> 00:44:40,599
at the same time we're not dropping the

1063
00:44:40,599 --> 00:44:43,359
ball we're going ahead look at the cost

1064
00:44:43,359 --> 00:44:46,720
and look how much we can buy and put it

1065
00:44:46,720 --> 00:44:49,119
out um into the hot spot throughout the

1066
00:44:49,119 --> 00:44:50,880
city and at the same time we moving

1067
00:44:50,880 --> 00:44:53,760
forward with the speed U reduction and

1068
00:44:53,760 --> 00:44:56,599
also the enforcement and yes so what Mr

1069
00:44:56,599 --> 00:44:57,800
W is saying you would be able to

1070
00:44:57,800 --> 00:45:00,520
identify places also tell us how many

1071
00:45:00,520 --> 00:45:02,000
would be needed and then we would also

1072
00:45:02,000 --> 00:45:04,640
have to see what the budgetary impact is

1073
00:45:04,640 --> 00:45:06,960
and where it comes where we pay we how

1074
00:45:06,960 --> 00:45:09,920
we pay for as the budget so that's what

1075
00:45:09,920 --> 00:45:14,150
he saying he'll come back in four weeks

1076
00:45:14,160 --> 00:45:18,829
with do you have a question

1077
00:45:18,839 --> 00:45:22,200
Mr all right so all of you also um

1078
00:45:22,200 --> 00:45:25,319
received the uh the print of emails from

1079
00:45:25,319 --> 00:45:27,480
Mr um Mr Colin did you have any

1080
00:45:27,480 --> 00:45:31,270
questions from

1081
00:45:31,280 --> 00:45:34,000
that all right so we we have a t talk

1082
00:45:34,000 --> 00:45:39,829
next we T talk two weeks

1083
00:45:39,839 --> 00:45:48,230
talk thank

1084
00:45:48,240 --> 00:45:52,319
you something down all right all right

1085
00:45:52,319 --> 00:45:54,119
this is government operations this point

1086
00:45:54,119 --> 00:45:55,680
I like to call government operations

1087
00:45:55,680 --> 00:45:57,520
order we have two

1088
00:45:57,520 --> 00:45:59,240
items on the agenda the

1089
00:45:59,240 --> 00:46:03,000
first changes to the Charter C6 through

1090
00:46:03,000 --> 00:46:05,680
8 change operating budget deadline and

1091
00:46:05,680 --> 00:46:06,720
Mr

1092
00:46:06,720 --> 00:46:10,640
Mayor thank you Mr chairman I submitted

1093
00:46:10,640 --> 00:46:14,160
the proposed scenario and legislation to

1094
00:46:14,160 --> 00:46:15,119
the

1095
00:46:15,119 --> 00:46:18,520
council up to the

1096
00:46:18,520 --> 00:46:21,240
council comments or discussion around

1097
00:46:21,240 --> 00:46:26,160
that well um as I said the when we first

1098
00:46:26,160 --> 00:46:29,240
received the legislation the request was

1099
00:46:29,240 --> 00:46:31,880
that if the council did not pass the

1100
00:46:31,880 --> 00:46:34,559
budget in a timely manner then the

1101
00:46:34,559 --> 00:46:36,559
automatically revert to the mayor's

1102
00:46:36,559 --> 00:46:40,720
budget which um I'm not supportive of I

1103
00:46:40,720 --> 00:46:42,960
would be supportive of

1104
00:46:42,960 --> 00:46:46,119
um reverting to Prior year spending and

1105
00:46:46,119 --> 00:46:49,839
making amendments as we need to because

1106
00:46:49,839 --> 00:46:51,000
part of what the council's

1107
00:46:51,000 --> 00:46:53,640
responsibility is to make sure that we

1108
00:46:53,640 --> 00:46:56,040
that we're passing a budget and we have

1109
00:46:56,040 --> 00:46:58,200
some input in into what that budget

1110
00:46:58,200 --> 00:47:02,079
looks like and given if we just say well

1111
00:47:02,079 --> 00:47:03,559
if we don't pass it then automatic

1112
00:47:03,559 --> 00:47:05,480
becomes the mayor's budget then we have

1113
00:47:05,480 --> 00:47:09,920
no input in that budget uh so Mr O'Brien

1114
00:47:09,920 --> 00:47:13,040
said in order to do this we have to

1115
00:47:13,040 --> 00:47:16,280
um this has to be a referendum that's

1116
00:47:16,280 --> 00:47:18,680
correct and there's a timelines now just

1117
00:47:18,680 --> 00:47:20,400
I so could you go through the timeline

1118
00:47:20,400 --> 00:47:22,680
yes what I'm going to do is go through

1119
00:47:22,680 --> 00:47:27,599
the timeline um if you were to

1120
00:47:27,599 --> 00:47:30,720
the timeline is uh to September 5th is a

1121
00:47:30,720 --> 00:47:32,079
that's the

1122
00:47:32,079 --> 00:47:35,880
deadline the public hearing uh for the

1123
00:47:35,880 --> 00:47:41,160
city council pursu the municipal home rule law is optional but

1124
00:47:41,160 --> 00:47:43,920
the mayor has to have a public hearing

1125
00:47:43,920 --> 00:47:45,760
uh with 5 days

1126
00:47:45,760 --> 00:47:47,319
notice

1127
00:47:47,319 --> 00:47:51,280
so um looking at the council and

1128
00:47:51,280 --> 00:47:54,440
committee schedule going through August

1129
00:47:54,440 --> 00:47:56,079
and because of the schedule there's a

1130
00:47:56,079 --> 00:47:57,359
week

1131
00:47:57,359 --> 00:48:01,079
lost here um you could have a resolution

1132
00:48:01,079 --> 00:48:03,480
calling for a public hearing on August

1133
00:48:03,480 --> 00:48:05,720
12th on the

1134
00:48:05,720 --> 00:48:09,480
proposed on the proposed uh Charter

1135
00:48:09,480 --> 00:48:12,960
amendment in between that on the August

1136
00:48:12,960 --> 00:48:16,040
5th you do have another committee cycle

1137
00:48:16,040 --> 00:48:17,720
so if there's any amendments that you

1138
00:48:17,720 --> 00:48:20,440
wish to propose at that time we can post

1139
00:48:20,440 --> 00:48:22,640
it up if it's noted at the committee

1140
00:48:22,640 --> 00:48:26,520
then it's it could be posted up uh at

1141
00:48:26,520 --> 00:48:27,839
the public

1142
00:48:27,839 --> 00:48:30,280
hearing for the

1143
00:48:30,280 --> 00:48:32,680
12th and then your next committee cycle

1144
00:48:32,680 --> 00:48:35,480
is the 19th and then your final your

1145
00:48:35,480 --> 00:48:38,319
final uh committee or council meeting

1146
00:48:38,319 --> 00:48:41,079
for August is the 26th and that's really

1147
00:48:41,079 --> 00:48:45,319
the last time that you could uh uh take

1148
00:48:45,319 --> 00:48:50,200
action on this the reason being is that 26 their last council meeting at

1149
00:48:50,200 --> 00:48:53,079
the end of the month the reason being is

1150
00:48:53,079 --> 00:48:55,000
that the mayor has to have a public

1151
00:48:55,000 --> 00:48:58,520
hearing that's mandatory of on Rural law

1152
00:48:58,520 --> 00:49:00,559
and he has to get 5 days notice and that

1153
00:49:00,559 --> 00:49:03,640
5 days notice we get you to September we

1154
00:49:03,640 --> 00:49:06,720
get you to September 3rd the Tuesday and

1155
00:49:06,720 --> 00:49:08,680
then he would have the public hearing he

1156
00:49:08,680 --> 00:49:11,359
could act on it that day fourth is a

1157
00:49:11,359 --> 00:49:12,920
Tuesday to get the action of the

1158
00:49:12,920 --> 00:49:15,119
paperwork together and the fifth is

1159
00:49:15,119 --> 00:49:21,760
really the deadline to get it to the uh Board of Elections so that's the 26th

1160
00:49:21,760 --> 00:49:23,559
is is the date in which you would have

1161
00:49:23,559 --> 00:49:25,200
to

1162
00:49:25,200 --> 00:49:28,640
uh pass the uh Charter Amendment if you

1163
00:49:28,640 --> 00:49:34,359
wish to have it on the uh on the uh on

1164
00:49:34,359 --> 00:49:37,520
the ballot this

1165
00:49:37,520 --> 00:49:41,880
fall so I was reading something I looked

1166
00:49:41,880 --> 00:49:43,920
up um CH Amendment with within the state

1167
00:49:43,920 --> 00:49:46,440
of New York and so what one that you're

1168
00:49:46,440 --> 00:49:48,520
suggesting is is because there's three

1169
00:49:48,520 --> 00:49:51,480
what methods is by by initiative

1170
00:49:51,480 --> 00:49:55,559
referendum is that one your suggest no no this is this is a Char it's not

1171
00:49:55,559 --> 00:49:58,040
initiative this is being legislative

1172
00:49:58,040 --> 00:50:00,240
Amendment so it's a charter amendment

1173
00:50:00,240 --> 00:50:02,000
being the legislative process there's

1174
00:50:02,000 --> 00:50:03,760
also a charter amendment process if

1175
00:50:03,760 --> 00:50:06,000
there's a charter commission but that's

1176
00:50:06,000 --> 00:50:08,920
not the the case here this is a

1177
00:50:08,920 --> 00:50:11,319
legislative Le in other words you would

1178
00:50:11,319 --> 00:50:14,440
have to pass it the mayor would then

1179
00:50:14,440 --> 00:50:16,720
have to act upon it and upon the mayor's

1180
00:50:16,720 --> 00:50:19,000
approval of what you passed then that

1181
00:50:19,000 --> 00:50:21,119
goes before the voters fall so you're

1182
00:50:21,119 --> 00:50:22,960
talking about the one by legislative

1183
00:50:22,960 --> 00:50:31,630
action yes

1184
00:50:31,640 --> 00:50:32,440
go

1185
00:50:32,440 --> 00:50:35,319
ahead sorry I wasn't here the last I

1186
00:50:35,319 --> 00:50:38,599
just want to point on have we ever

1187
00:50:38,599 --> 00:50:40,920
considered I mean creating a charter

1188
00:50:40,920 --> 00:50:44,440
revise commission to Lo at the entire

1189
00:50:44,440 --> 00:50:46,920
Charter and to have this commission come

1190
00:50:46,920 --> 00:50:49,400
back with us with recommendation to make

1191
00:50:49,400 --> 00:50:53,599
a comprehensive change if possible um

1192
00:50:53,599 --> 00:50:55,720
I'm not against what we're doing one

1193
00:50:55,720 --> 00:50:57,319
piece of a time here

1194
00:50:57,319 --> 00:50:59,960
but it would be nice if we can address

1195
00:50:59,960 --> 00:51:03,319
the entire Charter look at updated stuff

1196
00:51:03,319 --> 00:51:06,280
and try to move that for if there's any

1197
00:51:06,280 --> 00:51:10,640
changes from us creating the revised

1198
00:51:10,640 --> 00:51:11,680
Charter

1199
00:51:11,680 --> 00:51:14,480
commission so I think that I'll give to

1200
00:51:14,480 --> 00:51:16,760
and I think that that would be I I like

1201
00:51:16,760 --> 00:51:18,599
the sound of that kind of not again not

1202
00:51:18,599 --> 00:51:20,720
peace fing it I think you know the issue

1203
00:51:20,720 --> 00:51:22,440
We R into would be this the deadline

1204
00:51:22,440 --> 00:51:23,920
we're talking about now we clear we

1205
00:51:23,920 --> 00:51:26,720
going be able to do that um this time it

1206
00:51:26,720 --> 00:51:29,040
seems like what you're suggesting is

1207
00:51:29,040 --> 00:51:30,880
again is more comprehensive let's do it

1208
00:51:30,880 --> 00:51:33,400
all at one time because there's multiple

1209
00:51:33,400 --> 00:51:37,470
places within the Char need to be

1210
00:51:37,480 --> 00:51:39,480
updated you're still going to be looking

1211
00:51:39,480 --> 00:51:41,720
at that deadline September 5th and you

1212
00:51:41,720 --> 00:51:44,559
can see how timec consuming this would

1213
00:51:44,559 --> 00:51:46,000
be if you're

1214
00:51:46,000 --> 00:51:48,880
taking it would take take a long time to

1215
00:51:48,880 --> 00:51:51,760
go through that in order then

1216
00:51:51,760 --> 00:51:54,520
presented before the voters if I may

1217
00:51:54,520 --> 00:51:56,640
have

1218
00:51:56,640 --> 00:51:59,359
what what do we as a council need to do

1219
00:51:59,359 --> 00:52:11,750
in order to create a revised Charter

1220
00:52:11,760 --> 00:52:15,000
commission I don't know last time was

1221
00:52:15,000 --> 00:52:22,150
done to put forth the voters

1222
00:52:22,160 --> 00:52:24,599
rejected sorry the charter commiss

1223
00:52:24,599 --> 00:52:28,000
commission yes and yeah the vot is

1224
00:52:28,000 --> 00:52:36,079
rejected was the early 2000 staff volunteers and they

1225
00:52:36,079 --> 00:52:40,079
think yeah so we would have to go sorry

1226
00:52:40,079 --> 00:52:41,720
so we would have to go to the voting to

1227
00:52:41,720 --> 00:52:42,839
create this

1228
00:52:42,839 --> 00:52:46,839
commission may the mayor the commission

1229
00:52:46,839 --> 00:52:48,680
but in order to create the commission to

1230
00:52:48,680 --> 00:52:52,990
allow you to

1231
00:52:53,000 --> 00:52:55,960
appoint I just the mayor would create a

1232
00:52:55,960 --> 00:52:58,870
commission

1233
00:52:58,880 --> 00:53:01,079
retion well I mean I like the idea of

1234
00:53:01,079 --> 00:53:03,359
the entire Charter review it's not a bad

1235
00:53:03,359 --> 00:53:07,079
idea um but I think in terms of this um

1236
00:53:07,079 --> 00:53:10,880
issue at hand um I actually um did

1237
00:53:10,880 --> 00:53:14,400
support at our last meeting um as

1238
00:53:14,400 --> 00:53:17,680
presented uh what was presented to us at

1239
00:53:17,680 --> 00:53:19,799
the last U meeting and a couple of

1240
00:53:19,799 --> 00:53:22,079
points about that I think that it holds

1241
00:53:22,079 --> 00:53:25,799
us more accountable also for um staying

1242
00:53:25,799 --> 00:53:28,319
on a timeline and I think that we would

1243
00:53:28,319 --> 00:53:30,280
have the opportunity we continue to have

1244
00:53:30,280 --> 00:53:32,760
the opportunity as the city council to

1245
00:53:32,760 --> 00:53:39,359
give input to the budget it is I think I U I think corfield said this at the

1246
00:53:39,359 --> 00:53:41,559
last meeting and I agree that it is

1247
00:53:41,559 --> 00:53:42,880
probably the

1248
00:53:42,880 --> 00:53:46,640
fundamental uh uh responsibility that we

1249
00:53:46,640 --> 00:53:49,880
each have um as City Council Members is

1250
00:53:49,880 --> 00:53:54,160
to um review and pass um a budget that's

1251
00:53:54,160 --> 00:53:56,920
going to meet the needs of of our city

1252
00:53:56,920 --> 00:53:59,119
um but I I thought that what was

1253
00:53:59,119 --> 00:54:01,599
presented to us was fair and reasonable

1254
00:54:01,599 --> 00:54:05,240
and again um I would support it in the

1255
00:54:05,240 --> 00:54:07,720
way that it was presented to us

1256
00:54:07,720 --> 00:54:10,829
um

1257
00:54:10,839 --> 00:54:14,359
so so um so the way it was presented is

1258
00:54:14,359 --> 00:54:16,280
that really in my opinion that we really

1259
00:54:16,280 --> 00:54:18,400
don't have to say because essentially we

1260
00:54:18,400 --> 00:54:20,400
could submit all the changes we wanted

1261
00:54:20,400 --> 00:54:22,240
but if they were changes that the mayor

1262
00:54:22,240 --> 00:54:27,319
was not agreeable to then they could be veto and beo the time came

1263
00:54:27,319 --> 00:54:29,920
then then he can do that he can do that

1264
00:54:29,920 --> 00:54:32,280
in our that is absolutely correct it

1265
00:54:32,280 --> 00:54:33,960
shows a lack of leadership on this

1266
00:54:33,960 --> 00:54:36,960
Council for 50 years this legislative

1267
00:54:36,960 --> 00:54:38,839
body has been able to go through a

1268
00:54:38,839 --> 00:54:42,040
budget process come up with a budget and

1269
00:54:42,040 --> 00:54:44,680
have it adoped in a timely manner last

1270
00:54:44,680 --> 00:54:46,520
year was an embarrassment it didn't

1271
00:54:46,520 --> 00:54:49,520
happen we made the commitment when we

1272
00:54:49,520 --> 00:54:52,400
voted through the budget that we would

1273
00:54:52,400 --> 00:54:56,559
put something before the voters to

1274
00:54:56,559 --> 00:54:59,280
tighten up that system I will maintain

1275
00:54:59,280 --> 00:55:01,839
the position today is that you can leave

1276
00:55:01,839 --> 00:55:04,359
everything in place if you don't adopt a

1277
00:55:04,359 --> 00:55:06,319
budget by November 1st I'm not going to

1278
00:55:06,319 --> 00:55:08,880
dance around with it that my budget

1279
00:55:08,880 --> 00:55:11,839
would stand that and that's what the

1280
00:55:11,839 --> 00:55:13,920
case law is we talked about it talked

1281
00:55:13,920 --> 00:55:15,559
about suing it I don't want to go

1282
00:55:15,559 --> 00:55:19,440
through that this is a manner that again

1283
00:55:19,440 --> 00:55:22,039
it works give you the budget by October

1284
00:55:22,039 --> 00:55:26,640
1st you have full 30 days to review it

1285
00:55:26,640 --> 00:55:30,160
amend it modify it adopt it by November

1286
00:55:30,160 --> 00:55:33,359
1st and then we implement it January 1st

1287
00:55:33,359 --> 00:55:35,799
well let's just be all 100% the reason

1288
00:55:35,799 --> 00:55:37,039
that it took so long with the budget

1289
00:55:37,039 --> 00:55:38,880
last year was about the ARA money where

1290
00:55:38,880 --> 00:55:41,240
there was money that was one to not was

1291
00:55:41,240 --> 00:55:42,960
not to use towards the budget but to use

1292
00:55:42,960 --> 00:55:44,760
for a project that was upcoming that was

1293
00:55:44,760 --> 00:55:46,160
the hold up with this budget because we

1294
00:55:46,160 --> 00:55:48,440
wanted to spend that money and we

1295
00:55:48,440 --> 00:55:50,480
weren't able to we wanted to spend the

1296
00:55:50,480 --> 00:55:52,520
2.5 million to do some things within the

1297
00:55:52,520 --> 00:55:54,520
budget and we weren't able to it was

1298
00:55:54,520 --> 00:55:56,720
being rejected because money was really

1299
00:55:56,720 --> 00:55:57,920
being held for a project which

1300
00:55:57,920 --> 00:55:59,880
ultimately got funded so that was part

1301
00:55:59,880 --> 00:56:01,599
of the problem so the mayor is saying

1302
00:56:01,599 --> 00:56:03,280
you know lack of leadership and all that

1303
00:56:03,280 --> 00:56:04,960
so I've been having been here for 50

1304
00:56:04,960 --> 00:56:06,880
years but it is also the first time in

1305
00:56:06,880 --> 00:56:08,599
my 12 years that that's ever happened so

1306
00:56:08,599 --> 00:56:10,119
it's not about the leadership that that

1307
00:56:10,119 --> 00:56:12,200
is here it's about that particular thing

1308
00:56:12,200 --> 00:56:13,400
that's the only thing that made it

1309
00:56:13,400 --> 00:56:15,559
different now than in the past years is

1310
00:56:15,559 --> 00:56:17,359
that there was aror money on the table

1311
00:56:17,359 --> 00:56:18,920
that wanted to be set aside for a

1312
00:56:18,920 --> 00:56:20,880
certain project and we wanted to use it

1313
00:56:20,880 --> 00:56:22,799
within the budget so that was part of

1314
00:56:22,799 --> 00:56:25,000
the hope so I don't anticipate that

1315
00:56:25,000 --> 00:56:27,640
being the case again year um and in

1316
00:56:27,640 --> 00:56:30,079
terms of you know having an exact like

1317
00:56:30,079 --> 00:56:33,160
this I'm willing to support if the um if

1318
00:56:33,160 --> 00:56:36,880
we pass a budget by November 1st then

1319
00:56:36,880 --> 00:56:40,359
the mayor can't be un willing to SP that

1320
00:56:40,359 --> 00:56:43,920
um and in addition to that Mr Mr O'Brien

1321
00:56:43,920 --> 00:56:45,960
gave us information from various Comm

1322
00:56:45,960 --> 00:56:48,280
municipalities about how they did what

1323
00:56:48,280 --> 00:56:50,440
they did but I noticed that within all

1324
00:56:50,440 --> 00:56:52,160
those municipalities or at least most of

1325
00:56:52,160 --> 00:56:54,200
them they didn't have a 4-week time

1326
00:56:54,200 --> 00:56:55,920
frame some of them weren't passing their

1327
00:56:55,920 --> 00:56:57,920
until the the 30th of November haven't

1328
00:56:57,920 --> 00:56:59,680
gotten on the same date that we did

1329
00:56:59,680 --> 00:57:02,319
which is October 1st so there were those

1330
00:57:02,319 --> 00:57:06,839
differences as well so it's not we're not apples and apples in

1331
00:57:06,839 --> 00:57:08,720
terms of the of the municipalities even

1332
00:57:08,720 --> 00:57:10,559
in times of the time frames of reviewing

1333
00:57:10,559 --> 00:57:12,720
the budget and getting it

1334
00:57:12,720 --> 00:57:16,000
passed so I think so the issue that um

1335
00:57:16,000 --> 00:57:18,240
that I saw as is presented is that

1336
00:57:18,240 --> 00:57:19,680
number one let's start on something that

1337
00:57:19,680 --> 00:57:22,079
we all agree upon I started plac where

1338
00:57:22,079 --> 00:57:24,119
there's some alignment and Alignment was

1339
00:57:24,119 --> 00:57:25,799
say that there is a whole here in the

1340
00:57:25,799 --> 00:57:28,160
chart there's no response to if this

1341
00:57:28,160 --> 00:57:30,160
situation comes up there should be

1342
00:57:30,160 --> 00:57:32,880
something um in the charg reflects how

1343
00:57:32,880 --> 00:57:35,799
we forward we all agree on that so

1344
00:57:35,799 --> 00:57:38,880
that's a good thing next thing to be is

1345
00:57:38,880 --> 00:57:41,559
that if as presented if there's a

1346
00:57:41,559 --> 00:57:44,000
certain timeline then once we pass a

1347
00:57:44,000 --> 00:57:47,680
certain timeline then the um budget

1348
00:57:47,680 --> 00:57:50,079
would go to the mayor's proposed budget

1349
00:57:50,079 --> 00:57:52,440
it's how that's how it is presented

1350
00:57:52,440 --> 00:57:56,240
which would mean effectively that if if

1351
00:57:56,240 --> 00:57:57,079
city

1352
00:57:57,079 --> 00:57:59,960
council and the mayor's office are not

1353
00:57:59,960 --> 00:58:04,720
in agreement on items on the budget then

1354
00:58:04,720 --> 00:58:07,400
once effectively the clock runs

1355
00:58:07,400 --> 00:58:12,160
out then then our decision and our our

1356
00:58:12,160 --> 00:58:15,240
ability to um add input to the budget is

1357
00:58:15,240 --> 00:58:17,319
gone and it would just go to the

1358
00:58:17,319 --> 00:58:19,200
proposed budget so what I really don't

1359
00:58:19,200 --> 00:58:21,039
think that we should do is have have

1360
00:58:21,039 --> 00:58:23,839
something where we can just run the

1361
00:58:23,839 --> 00:58:26,480
clock out and by manner by means running

1362
00:58:26,480 --> 00:58:27,920
clock are we compromise the checks and

1363
00:58:27,920 --> 00:58:29,559
balances that are put in place for the

1364
00:58:29,559 --> 00:58:31,799
reason that they put in place so what I

1365
00:58:31,799 --> 00:58:32,880
think that's something that we might

1366
00:58:32,880 --> 00:58:35,880
want to consider is that

1367
00:58:35,880 --> 00:58:38,319
if you know by any stretch your

1368
00:58:38,319 --> 00:58:41,319
imagination this happens again then we

1369
00:58:41,319 --> 00:58:44,599
would operate from the existing budget

1370
00:58:44,599 --> 00:58:47,240
not the not the uh uh the proposed

1371
00:58:47,240 --> 00:58:49,000
budget but the existing budget because

1372
00:58:49,000 --> 00:58:51,680
at least that's one budget that all

1373
00:58:51,680 --> 00:58:53,640
parties were able to agree upon to get

1374
00:58:53,640 --> 00:58:55,079
passed in the first place so I think

1375
00:58:55,079 --> 00:58:57,480
that that is Le um I think that that

1376
00:58:57,480 --> 00:58:59,280
would be a wise alternative for us to

1377
00:58:59,280 --> 00:59:01,680
consider mrri I think you have your hand

1378
00:59:01,680 --> 00:59:04,920
up first you still um making more notes

1379
00:59:04,920 --> 00:59:07,440
okay so I I have um Four Points well

1380
00:59:07,440 --> 00:59:08,920
Five Points because I do want to say

1381
00:59:08,920 --> 00:59:11,000
that one of the big holdups in last

1382
00:59:11,000 --> 00:59:13,160
year's budget discussions went around

1383
00:59:13,160 --> 00:59:15,760
the overtime for the police on the fire

1384
00:59:15,760 --> 00:59:17,400
um so we don't have to worry about the

1385
00:59:17,400 --> 00:59:19,599
aror piece this year but we are going to

1386
00:59:19,599 --> 00:59:22,920
need to um address the overtime again um

1387
00:59:22,920 --> 00:59:26,200
so I just wanted to to comment on that I

1388
00:59:26,200 --> 00:59:28,280
also think that I would hope that um the

1389
00:59:28,280 --> 00:59:31,680
mayor would be um you know kind of we'd

1390
00:59:31,680 --> 00:59:33,760
be in dialogue hopefully we would have

1391
00:59:33,760 --> 00:59:35,599
communication between the mayor and the

1392
00:59:35,599 --> 00:59:39,119
city council so that um as we were

1393
00:59:39,119 --> 00:59:41,559
discussing the changes or the revisions

1394
00:59:41,559 --> 00:59:43,920
that we might want to see um that there

1395
00:59:43,920 --> 00:59:46,720
would be some back and forth there um

1396
00:59:46,720 --> 00:59:49,160
and not just a blanket rejection of of

1397
00:59:49,160 --> 00:59:50,599
anything that we would say I think that

1398
00:59:50,599 --> 00:59:53,119
we would have a relationship where um

1399
00:59:53,119 --> 00:59:54,960
we'd be able to to think about that I

1400
00:59:54,960 --> 00:59:57,559
also want to suggest that we've been

1401
00:59:57,559 --> 01:00:00,520
receiving now the budget reports from

1402
01:00:00,520 --> 01:00:02,640
our finance staff and the reason that we

1403
01:00:02,640 --> 01:00:05,200
asked for those budget reports was so

1404
01:00:05,200 --> 01:00:07,119
that we would have a better handle as

1405
01:00:07,119 --> 01:00:10,039
city council people on the budget on an

1406
01:00:10,039 --> 01:00:13,720
ongoing basis um so that we don't get to

1407
01:00:13,720 --> 01:00:15,480
the point at which the budget is

1408
01:00:15,480 --> 01:00:18,119
presented to us and we you

1409
01:00:18,119 --> 01:00:20,599
know can't see what the history the

1410
01:00:20,599 --> 01:00:22,680
budget history has been over the over

1411
01:00:22,680 --> 01:00:24,720
the past several months although I do

1412
01:00:24,720 --> 01:00:26,880
want to say that I just wanted to add

1413
01:00:26,880 --> 01:00:28,960
this in here um something I was thinking

1414
01:00:28,960 --> 01:00:30,720
about when I was uh prepping for this

1415
01:00:30,720 --> 01:00:33,119
meeting you know I I think that rather

1416
01:00:33,119 --> 01:00:36,039
than getting the entire uh report uh

1417
01:00:36,039 --> 01:00:38,720
from Finance it might be good if we had

1418
01:00:38,720 --> 01:00:41,839
just a summary of here's the um you know

1419
01:00:41,839 --> 01:00:43,760
if any of us are on you know have

1420
01:00:43,760 --> 01:00:46,400
managed budgets or at our workplaces or

1421
01:00:46,400 --> 01:00:48,079
on Boards of directors you know

1422
01:00:48,079 --> 01:00:49,880
sometimes you see the highlights of you

1423
01:00:49,880 --> 01:00:51,599
know this number is really high this

1424
01:00:51,599 --> 01:00:53,280
month because of this or this month

1425
01:00:53,280 --> 01:00:55,240
number is really low because of that I

1426
01:00:55,240 --> 01:00:57,200
think might be actually better than just

1427
01:00:57,200 --> 01:01:00,319
us getting you know multiple Pages uh to

1428
01:01:00,319 --> 01:01:02,799
go through um so that's one of the other

1429
01:01:02,799 --> 01:01:04,680
points I wanted to make and then I think

1430
01:01:04,680 --> 01:01:07,400
you know again there's ways around this

1431
01:01:07,400 --> 01:01:09,960
in terms of you know the staff obviously

1432
01:01:09,960 --> 01:01:12,240
are putting in their budgets to the

1433
01:01:12,240 --> 01:01:14,599
mayor I think right and then they

1434
01:01:14,599 --> 01:01:17,319
probably argue uh or I should say

1435
01:01:17,319 --> 01:01:19,720
discuss um their the the various

1436
01:01:19,720 --> 01:01:23,319
department heads budgets um together um

1437
01:01:23,319 --> 01:01:25,359
again remember that we hear from our

1438
01:01:25,359 --> 01:01:27,240
department heads heads as well about

1439
01:01:27,240 --> 01:01:29,400
what their budget um what what their

1440
01:01:29,400 --> 01:01:32,440
needs are so maybe we think about the

1441
01:01:32,440 --> 01:01:34,720
scheduling of those um maybe we have

1442
01:01:34,720 --> 01:01:37,160
additional meetings where we hear uh

1443
01:01:37,160 --> 01:01:43,280
staff I know on the library board that's one of the things that we do we have additional meetings um to hear

1444
01:01:43,280 --> 01:01:46,960
from folks um so there's ways to make

1445
01:01:46,960 --> 01:01:49,920
sure that our input is is being

1446
01:01:49,920 --> 01:01:53,000
appreciated and listened to um as well

1447
01:01:53,000 --> 01:01:55,520
as um understanding the process itself

1448
01:01:55,520 --> 01:01:58,160
as it's going along so that's those are

1449
01:01:58,160 --> 01:02:00,200
the one things I wanted to

1450
01:02:00,200 --> 01:02:04,079
say um I agree with most of what M um

1451
01:02:04,079 --> 01:02:06,240
Patrick says and a few other things so

1452
01:02:06,240 --> 01:02:07,640
as far as

1453
01:02:07,640 --> 01:02:11,039
um um you know the mayor and the

1454
01:02:11,039 --> 01:02:13,160
department heads were very hard to try

1455
01:02:13,160 --> 01:02:16,240
to get U an actual budget out to us um

1456
01:02:16,240 --> 01:02:18,839
as far as a timeline we only have a

1457
01:02:18,839 --> 01:02:20,880
month okay well we meet every night

1458
01:02:20,880 --> 01:02:22,920
instead of once a week or twice a week

1459
01:02:22,920 --> 01:02:24,720
when we do if we have to meet every

1460
01:02:24,720 --> 01:02:26,480
night it's our responsibility to be

1461
01:02:26,480 --> 01:02:28,559
fiscally responsible to the residence of

1462
01:02:28,559 --> 01:02:30,599
this city so we want to go through this

1463
01:02:30,599 --> 01:02:33,000
budget and we want to get it passed I I

1464
01:02:33,000 --> 01:02:34,799
had no issue with going back to the

1465
01:02:34,799 --> 01:02:37,480
mayor's proposed budget what I have an

1466
01:02:37,480 --> 01:02:39,599
issue with it's using the existing

1467
01:02:39,599 --> 01:02:42,839
budget so oh when we go back to the

1468
01:02:42,839 --> 01:02:44,839
existing budget what about the rising

1469
01:02:44,839 --> 01:02:47,799
costs of salary Health Care Staffing

1470
01:02:47,799 --> 01:02:49,880
those things aren't in the in the in the

1471
01:02:49,880 --> 01:02:51,599
mayor's budget that he's presenting to

1472
01:02:51,599 --> 01:02:54,279
us so how can we go backwards we can't

1473
01:02:54,279 --> 01:02:57,240
I'm that's just my opinion then to um so

1474
01:02:57,240 --> 01:02:59,720
anyway um there there are a lot of

1475
01:02:59,720 --> 01:03:01,359
options that we can do meet more

1476
01:03:01,359 --> 01:03:03,440
frequently it's up to us to work

1477
01:03:03,440 --> 01:03:06,480
together to get it passed and I I and if

1478
01:03:06,480 --> 01:03:08,960
we don't then it resorts to his budget

1479
01:03:08,960 --> 01:03:13,119
and that's it so that's my statement so

1480
01:03:13,119 --> 01:03:15,039
I I appreciate your input on that I

1481
01:03:15,039 --> 01:03:17,200
think that again there's a lot that's

1482
01:03:17,200 --> 01:03:19,559
being said that are that are General

1483
01:03:19,559 --> 01:03:21,200
truths that are widely accepted by

1484
01:03:21,200 --> 01:03:23,200
council members I think that you know

1485
01:03:23,200 --> 01:03:25,160
number one it is our responsibility and

1486
01:03:25,160 --> 01:03:26,720
number two we do need to work together

1487
01:03:26,720 --> 01:03:28,119
number three there are measures that we

1488
01:03:28,119 --> 01:03:30,079
can take to ensure a smoother process

1489
01:03:30,079 --> 01:03:32,279
and I think we've acted upon those I

1490
01:03:32,279 --> 01:03:34,960
think that is I think that is would be

1491
01:03:34,960 --> 01:03:38,839
not wise of us to Bas a process that we

1492
01:03:38,839 --> 01:03:42,400
are entering in based on relationships

1493
01:03:42,400 --> 01:03:43,599
right like I don't think that I think

1494
01:03:43,599 --> 01:03:46,400
the reason why we have um these things

1495
01:03:46,400 --> 01:03:48,520
in place is is for something that can

1496
01:03:48,520 --> 01:03:50,760
govern our actions

1497
01:03:50,760 --> 01:03:54,520
because you know we are looking at last

1498
01:03:54,520 --> 01:03:56,720
year um there were some strain

1499
01:03:56,720 --> 01:03:58,960
relationships but some of us were able

1500
01:03:58,960 --> 01:04:01,799
to to talk and come to to good have good

1501
01:04:01,799 --> 01:04:04,559
conversations and good compromise and

1502
01:04:04,559 --> 01:04:06,319
yet still we still ended up in the place

1503
01:04:06,319 --> 01:04:08,720
that we were so really the point of this

1504
01:04:08,720 --> 01:04:10,400
is to address the fact that there that

1505
01:04:10,400 --> 01:04:15,599
we cannot end up in the place that we were last year based on lack of

1506
01:04:15,599 --> 01:04:19,039
relationships or however you know you're

1507
01:04:19,039 --> 01:04:21,160
um getting to that point there should be

1508
01:04:21,160 --> 01:04:23,279
something that says this is what we do

1509
01:04:23,279 --> 01:04:26,039
if this then this and my only I think we

1510
01:04:26,039 --> 01:04:28,200
all agree on that my only thing that I

1511
01:04:28,200 --> 01:04:30,200
disagree with is saying that if then

1512
01:04:30,200 --> 01:04:32,640
this if this then this if we just refer

1513
01:04:32,640 --> 01:04:34,440
to a proposed budget then we are

1514
01:04:34,440 --> 01:04:36,599
effectively saying that we are putting

1515
01:04:36,599 --> 01:04:38,599
building in a process where the clock

1516
01:04:38,599 --> 01:04:40,240
can be ran out not to say that that

1517
01:04:40,240 --> 01:04:43,480
would happen not to say that our that the mayor would do that not to say

1518
01:04:43,480 --> 01:04:45,400
that our council president would do that

1519
01:04:45,400 --> 01:04:48,839
but I'm not going to make decisions

1520
01:04:48,839 --> 01:04:50,480
based on people's relationships or

1521
01:04:50,480 --> 01:04:52,200
ability to have conversations and we can

1522
01:04:52,200 --> 01:04:55,000
do it in a way that says if this then

1523
01:04:55,000 --> 01:04:58,119
this and it voids that dependent on

1524
01:04:58,119 --> 01:05:00,400
people's willingness toate and I think

1525
01:05:00,400 --> 01:05:02,520
that that doesn't that doesn't shorten

1526
01:05:02,520 --> 01:05:05,160
our our accountability it doesn't extend

1527
01:05:05,160 --> 01:05:08,839
our timeline it does all the things that was said those generally widely

1528
01:05:08,839 --> 01:05:10,720
accepted truths that sound really good

1529
01:05:10,720 --> 01:05:13,359
but don't really um move the needle on

1530
01:05:13,359 --> 01:05:14,960
process

1531
01:05:14,960 --> 01:05:17,920
itself Mr yeah so let me address some of

1532
01:05:17,920 --> 01:05:19,240
the things that happened during last

1533
01:05:19,240 --> 01:05:21,039
year budget and I can start off for

1534
01:05:21,039 --> 01:05:24,119
saying that um there were lack of

1535
01:05:24,119 --> 01:05:26,240
communication from the

1536
01:05:26,240 --> 01:05:28,440
to us from us to the m I'm not going to

1537
01:05:28,440 --> 01:05:30,799
hold back time we we we seem to lack

1538
01:05:30,799 --> 01:05:32,799
that communication and I hope during the

1539
01:05:32,799 --> 01:05:35,400
budget at the end budget I ask that hope

1540
01:05:35,400 --> 01:05:38,559
that we can improve on our communication

1541
01:05:38,559 --> 01:05:41,079
during that process and at the same time

1542
01:05:41,079 --> 01:05:43,200
too we we need

1543
01:05:43,200 --> 01:05:46,200
to some of us need to to have that in us

1544
01:05:46,200 --> 01:05:48,520
that we we need to compromise last year

1545
01:05:48,520 --> 01:05:51,119
we lacked that some of us on the council

1546
01:05:51,119 --> 01:05:53,559
came here and they just dig their heel

1547
01:05:53,559 --> 01:05:54,799
into the sand and we're not going to

1548
01:05:54,799 --> 01:05:56,599
compromise we like the project and we

1549
01:05:56,599 --> 01:05:58,559
just focus on that without every

1550
01:05:58,559 --> 01:06:00,720
discussing at the table in terms of how

1551
01:06:00,720 --> 01:06:02,440
can we make

1552
01:06:02,440 --> 01:06:04,480
changes and those are the things we need

1553
01:06:04,480 --> 01:06:07,079
to look at because we have a budget it's

1554
01:06:07,079 --> 01:06:08,559
proposed budget in front of us as a

1555
01:06:08,559 --> 01:06:10,480
council is the most important thing that

1556
01:06:10,480 --> 01:06:13,119
we have as a council to do and we as a

1557
01:06:13,119 --> 01:06:15,240
council have an obligation to our

1558
01:06:15,240 --> 01:06:17,319
taxpayer last year many of us were

1559
01:06:17,319 --> 01:06:19,400
concerned about

1560
01:06:19,400 --> 01:06:23,680
taxes taxes that has burden the taxpayer

1561
01:06:23,680 --> 01:06:26,160
year after year and some of us were

1562
01:06:26,160 --> 01:06:28,039
concerned about that so that's why we

1563
01:06:28,039 --> 01:06:29,920
were talking about that some of us we

1564
01:06:29,920 --> 01:06:32,039
were talking about over time over time

1565
01:06:32,039 --> 01:06:33,720
we were talking about we're improving

1566
01:06:33,720 --> 01:06:35,520
we're increasing the higher ring in

1567
01:06:35,520 --> 01:06:37,680
various department where is the

1568
01:06:37,680 --> 01:06:40,039
accountability when it comes to the time

1569
01:06:40,039 --> 01:06:42,079
I would like to see that we are full

1570
01:06:42,079 --> 01:06:45,000
capacity in some department so more than

1571
01:06:45,000 --> 01:06:47,200
likely see in this budget at the end of

1572
01:06:47,200 --> 01:06:50,480
the year that over time we see a

1573
01:06:50,480 --> 01:06:52,680
reduction in over time at the same time

1574
01:06:52,680 --> 01:06:54,839
we're we're wrapping up Staffing so we

1575
01:06:54,839 --> 01:06:57,359
can have both at the same time have over

1576
01:06:57,359 --> 01:06:59,760
time and have full capacity Staffing and

1577
01:06:59,760 --> 01:07:01,200
that's something that we addressed last

1578
01:07:01,200 --> 01:07:03,559
year in terms of our concern and in

1579
01:07:03,559 --> 01:07:06,720
terms of fees and taxes taxpayer are

1580
01:07:06,720 --> 01:07:09,559
boring enough out there we as a council

1581
01:07:09,559 --> 01:07:11,760
need to help to protect them they can

1582
01:07:11,760 --> 01:07:13,440
actually continue to pay taxes every

1583
01:07:13,440 --> 01:07:15,880
year every year after year and we what

1584
01:07:15,880 --> 01:07:17,640
are we doing we're going to come here

1585
01:07:17,640 --> 01:07:18,520
we're going to throw back and we going

1586
01:07:18,520 --> 01:07:20,480
to say okay there's a budget proposal in

1587
01:07:20,480 --> 01:07:23,760
front of us let's vote for it a matter

1588
01:07:23,760 --> 01:07:25,799
games what it's in the budget we we need

1589
01:07:25,799 --> 01:07:28,839
to look at the budget as a council and

1590
01:07:28,839 --> 01:07:31,319
suggest changes and be ready to

1591
01:07:31,319 --> 01:07:33,400
compromise and to move forward and let's

1592
01:07:33,400 --> 01:07:35,680
have a budget so that we don't fall back

1593
01:07:35,680 --> 01:07:39,069
what happened last

1594
01:07:39,079 --> 01:07:41,920
year I think um I just want to address

1595
01:07:41,920 --> 01:07:43,760
the overtime issue again because

1596
01:07:43,760 --> 01:07:46,160
although we do have um in our budget the

1597
01:07:46,160 --> 01:07:48,720
ability um for full Staffing we don't

1598
01:07:48,720 --> 01:07:50,799
have full Staffing because we haven't

1599
01:07:50,799 --> 01:07:53,039
been successful necessarily at

1600
01:07:53,039 --> 01:07:56,279
encouraging people to come on board I

1601
01:07:56,279 --> 01:07:58,240
mean we've hired folks but we aren't I

1602
01:07:58,240 --> 01:07:59,520
don't think that we I think we have

1603
01:07:59,520 --> 01:08:01,039
openings in other words not to mention

1604
01:08:01,039 --> 01:08:03,039
that we've had illness we've had you

1605
01:08:03,039 --> 01:08:06,319
know retirements etc etc so the overtime

1606
01:08:06,319 --> 01:08:08,559
is still being used and I think that

1607
01:08:08,559 --> 01:08:10,920
what we're going to see is

1608
01:08:10,920 --> 01:08:13,480
that I think that we were presented with

1609
01:08:13,480 --> 01:08:15,400
realistic numbers for those overtime and

1610
01:08:15,400 --> 01:08:17,239
I think when we get to see what the

1611
01:08:17,239 --> 01:08:19,920
actuals are in a few months um they'll

1612
01:08:19,920 --> 01:08:23,359
match some of those overtime figures but

1613
01:08:23,359 --> 01:08:27,349
I guess we'll have to see

1614
01:08:27,359 --> 01:08:30,719
so in terms of us not like hearing I

1615
01:08:30,719 --> 01:08:33,040
have to tell you I really really one of

1616
01:08:33,040 --> 01:08:34,600
the things we talked about during the

1617
01:08:34,600 --> 01:08:38,839
last budget cycle was to have the um

1618
01:08:38,839 --> 01:08:40,239
finance department come to us with all

1619
01:08:40,239 --> 01:08:42,759
the information so for me short cutting

1620
01:08:42,759 --> 01:08:45,159
it um I'm not I would just like I I

1621
01:08:45,159 --> 01:08:47,359
would personally like to see like to see

1622
01:08:47,359 --> 01:08:50,120
all of it and they can give us the high

1623
01:08:50,120 --> 01:08:52,239
but have the information to go through

1624
01:08:52,239 --> 01:08:53,759
because that's what we talked about last

1625
01:08:53,759 --> 01:08:56,279
year because we have this is one month

1626
01:08:56,279 --> 01:08:59,560
abreviated time frankly to do what what

1627
01:08:59,560 --> 01:09:01,000
they presented to us for a Year's worth

1628
01:09:01,000 --> 01:09:02,880
of time so which is why we said we would

1629
01:09:02,880 --> 01:09:04,960
do it and I believe we should continue

1630
01:09:04,960 --> 01:09:07,000
to do that and hear all of it and in

1631
01:09:07,000 --> 01:09:08,960
terms of um I know it's consistently we

1632
01:09:08,960 --> 01:09:11,560
said we have to trust our staff and Etc

1633
01:09:11,560 --> 01:09:13,480
but the budget that we see is not

1634
01:09:13,480 --> 01:09:15,359
necessarily what the staff's presented

1635
01:09:15,359 --> 01:09:16,799
the staff presents their budget to the

1636
01:09:16,799 --> 01:09:19,080
mayor the mayor then presents the budget

1637
01:09:19,080 --> 01:09:21,120
with whatever changes or adjustments

1638
01:09:21,120 --> 01:09:22,920
made that that it comes to the council

1639
01:09:22,920 --> 01:09:25,880
so um it's not we're not necessar seeing

1640
01:09:25,880 --> 01:09:27,600
the exact budget that the staff

1641
01:09:27,600 --> 01:09:30,199
submitted to for that they they want

1642
01:09:30,199 --> 01:09:32,000
because everybody has a huge wish

1643
01:09:32,000 --> 01:09:34,080
friendly what they would like to see and

1644
01:09:34,080 --> 01:09:35,880
then that's not always oversee so I just

1645
01:09:35,880 --> 01:09:38,040
want to make that clear consistently

1646
01:09:38,040 --> 01:09:39,920
said we should take into consideration

1647
01:09:39,920 --> 01:09:42,279
when our staff said we don't always see

1648
01:09:42,279 --> 01:09:45,159
everything that they want they want yes

1649
01:09:45,159 --> 01:09:47,799
I I I definitely agree with them but I

1650
01:09:47,799 --> 01:09:49,600
do think we also had the opportunity for

1651
01:09:49,600 --> 01:09:52,920
staff came and did still tell us uh what

1652
01:09:52,920 --> 01:09:55,719
their wish list had been so although it

1653
01:09:55,719 --> 01:09:57,440
might not have matched what ultimately

1654
01:09:57,440 --> 01:10:00,120
was presented uh to us we still had that

1655
01:10:00,120 --> 01:10:03,000
opportunity to hear uh from department

1656
01:10:03,000 --> 01:10:06,080
heads um what their initial budget

1657
01:10:06,080 --> 01:10:10,640
requests were to that to that point then

1658
01:10:10,640 --> 01:10:13,840
just gives us yes but to that point then

1659
01:10:13,840 --> 01:10:15,280
if we

1660
01:10:15,280 --> 01:10:19,000
um if last year if we went to the

1661
01:10:19,000 --> 01:10:22,560
proposed budget and that proposed budget

1662
01:10:22,560 --> 01:10:26,000
might have not directly reflected

1663
01:10:26,000 --> 01:10:28,920
the staffs of wish if you will I think

1664
01:10:28,920 --> 01:10:30,400
that that's a pretty reason expectation

1665
01:10:30,400 --> 01:10:32,800
for any budget

1666
01:10:32,800 --> 01:10:36,800
however to Mr M Bar's point I mean we

1667
01:10:36,800 --> 01:10:39,520
can't have right this is not something

1668
01:10:39,520 --> 01:10:40,719
where where multiple things are going to

1669
01:10:40,719 --> 01:10:42,280
be true at the same time as it relates

1670
01:10:42,280 --> 01:10:46,120
to whether we as as council members have

1671
01:10:46,120 --> 01:10:49,600
um an appropriate level of um checks and

1672
01:10:49,600 --> 01:10:51,560
balances um through the budgetary

1673
01:10:51,560 --> 01:10:54,880
process so if we build in something that

1674
01:10:54,880 --> 01:10:57,760
that's going to say by this

1675
01:10:57,760 --> 01:11:00,360
date it's going to revert back to the

1676
01:11:00,360 --> 01:11:04,159
proposed budget when the the likely

1677
01:11:04,159 --> 01:11:07,000
issue why we wouldn't be able to get to

1678
01:11:07,000 --> 01:11:09,159
uh an agreement is because we have

1679
01:11:09,159 --> 01:11:10,640
strong disagreements with the proposed

1680
01:11:10,640 --> 01:11:13,000
budget that completely guts our ability

1681
01:11:13,000 --> 01:11:15,080
to make decisions and and I just think

1682
01:11:15,080 --> 01:11:16,920
that that will be the responsible for us

1683
01:11:16,920 --> 01:11:19,520
to do this C that's why that's going to

1684
01:11:19,520 --> 01:11:21,239
what was had already been collectively

1685
01:11:21,239 --> 01:11:23,280
pass with whatever amendments need to be

1686
01:11:23,280 --> 01:11:25,600
made um in order to make sure that we

1687
01:11:25,600 --> 01:11:28,560
are still operating um and doing the

1688
01:11:28,560 --> 01:11:31,310
city's

1689
01:11:31,320 --> 01:11:35,480
business and then no

1690
01:11:35,480 --> 01:11:40,199
sorry sorry thank you um so as far as I

1691
01:11:40,199 --> 01:11:41,560
mean we should really be looking at how

1692
01:11:41,560 --> 01:11:44,199
we increase Revenue in the city as well

1693
01:11:44,199 --> 01:11:46,000
I mean we're all residents here we all

1694
01:11:46,000 --> 01:11:48,239
pay the taxes we all pay the trash tax

1695
01:11:48,239 --> 01:11:51,679
we all pay city taxes school taxes it's

1696
01:11:51,679 --> 01:11:53,679
part of our responsibility for being

1697
01:11:53,679 --> 01:11:55,960
residents here our service es in this

1698
01:11:55,960 --> 01:11:58,719
city are half Notch 100% when you think

1699
01:11:58,719 --> 01:12:00,760
of our trash and our snow removal and

1700
01:12:00,760 --> 01:12:03,760
everything that happens here so we have

1701
01:12:03,760 --> 01:12:06,960
a a great City and great resources here

1702
01:12:06,960 --> 01:12:09,320
um but why should the city I don't want

1703
01:12:09,320 --> 01:12:11,800
to pay any more taxes than I pay but why

1704
01:12:11,800 --> 01:12:16,360
should the city as a whole have to pay

1705
01:12:16,360 --> 01:12:22,440
for residents um in the sense that why should we operate at a loss is what

1706
01:12:22,440 --> 01:12:26,280
I'm saying so

1707
01:12:26,280 --> 01:12:29,080
you know we need to at

1708
01:12:29,080 --> 01:12:31,000
times take

1709
01:12:31,000 --> 01:12:35,400
into consideration that Rising costs go

1710
01:12:35,400 --> 01:12:38,080
up salary goes up everything goes up so

1711
01:12:38,080 --> 01:12:40,040
I mean we can't so what we should be

1712
01:12:40,040 --> 01:12:41,840
looking at is how do increase our

1713
01:12:41,840 --> 01:12:45,120
Revenue maybe fees but again if we

1714
01:12:45,120 --> 01:12:47,920
increase our revenues with fees then our

1715
01:12:47,920 --> 01:12:50,600
residents are still paying more money so

1716
01:12:50,600 --> 01:12:55,790
it's it's what I'm saying is you know

1717
01:12:55,800 --> 01:12:57,480
I I I'm just wondering where you're

1718
01:12:57,480 --> 01:12:59,560
coming from Mr Mo there so no I'm not

1719
01:12:59,560 --> 01:13:01,040
coming from anywhere I'm just saying a

1720
01:13:01,040 --> 01:13:03,840
broad topic sure so you mentioned about

1721
01:13:03,840 --> 01:13:06,400
uh increasing Revenue right we shouldn't

1722
01:13:06,400 --> 01:13:08,560
look at fees only cuz if you're looking

1723
01:13:08,560 --> 01:13:10,360
fees we're tax and tax payers all the

1724
01:13:10,360 --> 01:13:12,840
time right why don't you or the council

1725
01:13:12,840 --> 01:13:14,280
since you're talking about come up with

1726
01:13:14,280 --> 01:13:15,960
some solution in terms of how do we

1727
01:13:15,960 --> 01:13:18,199
expand our tax base and a council we

1728
01:13:18,199 --> 01:13:19,840
should look at it AB I'm suggest that

1729
01:13:19,840 --> 01:13:21,440
you take the sphar head in that because

1730
01:13:21,440 --> 01:13:23,320
you're talking about expanding

1731
01:13:23,320 --> 01:13:25,719
increasing fees we can increasing fees

1732
01:13:25,719 --> 01:13:27,120
we got to look across we got to look

1733
01:13:27,120 --> 01:13:29,920
across the board how do we increase um

1734
01:13:29,920 --> 01:13:32,520
our Revenue great last budget I did

1735
01:13:32,520 --> 01:13:35,080
mention about I'm looking at the fees

1736
01:13:35,080 --> 01:13:37,480
across the fees of service across the

1737
01:13:37,480 --> 01:13:40,120
city I'm actually meeting with the with

1738
01:13:40,120 --> 01:13:43,239
the finance department and finance staff

1739
01:13:43,239 --> 01:13:45,000
and department head in terms of coming

1740
01:13:45,000 --> 01:13:47,639
up with a comprehensive fee proposal to

1741
01:13:47,639 --> 01:13:50,320
this Council we are hoping to have that

1742
01:13:50,320 --> 01:13:52,239
everything goes well next month present

1743
01:13:52,239 --> 01:13:55,719
to the council a comprehensive uh fee

1744
01:13:55,719 --> 01:13:57,880
proposal for us to review and move

1745
01:13:57,880 --> 01:14:00,639
forward in terms of that but to your

1746
01:14:00,639 --> 01:14:03,320
point we should look beyond that yes we

1747
01:14:03,320 --> 01:14:05,480
should talk about how we increase

1748
01:14:05,480 --> 01:14:10,199
um other Revenue other than um fees that

1749
01:14:10,199 --> 01:14:12,600
we're providing for water and garage

1750
01:14:12,600 --> 01:14:15,000
because that is already at to a level

1751
01:14:15,000 --> 01:14:16,600
what some people think it's maximum we

1752
01:14:16,600 --> 01:14:19,360
shouldn't be charging more so we as a

1753
01:14:19,360 --> 01:14:21,719
council we should get to work and look

1754
01:14:21,719 --> 01:14:24,120
at how we can increase our Revenue yeah

1755
01:14:24,120 --> 01:14:26,880
and I think it should be important to

1756
01:14:26,880 --> 01:14:29,000
note that this is not something as a

1757
01:14:29,000 --> 01:14:32,239
council we should be doing in response

1758
01:14:32,239 --> 01:14:34,600
to um you know how we work our way

1759
01:14:34,600 --> 01:14:36,760
through this legislation that's

1760
01:14:36,760 --> 01:14:38,320
literally our job anyway we should

1761
01:14:38,320 --> 01:14:39,840
always be looking at Le to increase

1762
01:14:39,840 --> 01:14:41,840
Revenue so again sometimes some of them

1763
01:14:41,840 --> 01:14:44,000
more widely understood the wisely said

1764
01:14:44,000 --> 01:14:46,239
truths though they sound true and they

1765
01:14:46,239 --> 01:14:49,120
are true might not be applicable to what

1766
01:14:49,120 --> 01:14:51,159
we're talking about in point is just not

1767
01:14:51,159 --> 01:14:53,080
either or it's a yes and so yes we

1768
01:14:53,080 --> 01:14:55,280
should be increasing re looking for ways

1769
01:14:55,280 --> 01:14:57,440
to increase Revenue in the city yes we

1770
01:14:57,440 --> 01:14:59,480
should be working um with the mayor's

1771
01:14:59,480 --> 01:15:02,520
office yes we should be in more in clear

1772
01:15:02,520 --> 01:15:04,440
communication um I think that you know

1773
01:15:04,440 --> 01:15:07,159
in my experience uh though it happened

1774
01:15:07,159 --> 01:15:10,440
later on in the process um you know the

1775
01:15:10,440 --> 01:15:11,800
mayor I know the mayor made some

1776
01:15:11,800 --> 01:15:14,719
concessions that in order to get um the

1777
01:15:14,719 --> 01:15:16,239
budget passed I'm sure he wasn't happy

1778
01:15:16,239 --> 01:15:17,800
of it I know that talking with some of

1779
01:15:17,800 --> 01:15:20,199
our my my council members get some

1780
01:15:20,199 --> 01:15:22,960
concessions that's the whole thing

1781
01:15:22,960 --> 01:15:24,320
that's the whole part of point of the

1782
01:15:24,320 --> 01:15:26,199
negotiation ens sure everyone did that

1783
01:15:26,199 --> 01:15:29,080
in good faith for the citizens of s so

1784
01:15:29,080 --> 01:15:31,440
we will find ourselves in that position

1785
01:15:31,440 --> 01:15:34,040
every year because that's our job so

1786
01:15:34,040 --> 01:15:36,159
again the point is that I I wouldn't

1787
01:15:36,159 --> 01:15:39,520
want to have anything where we end up um

1788
01:15:39,520 --> 01:15:41,719
where our ability to negotiate in good

1789
01:15:41,719 --> 01:15:43,520
faith with the mayor or amongst one

1790
01:15:43,520 --> 01:15:48,400
another um is compromised so Mr Mayor

1791
01:15:48,400 --> 01:15:51,120
thank you Mr chairman want to recap a

1792
01:15:51,120 --> 01:15:53,520
couple things that Financial monthly

1793
01:15:53,520 --> 01:15:55,360
Financial reports have been provided to

1794
01:15:55,360 --> 01:15:57,320
the

1795
01:15:57,320 --> 01:16:00,880
council every year every month since

1796
01:16:00,880 --> 01:16:04,679
2012 I can't remember if I did it when

1797
01:16:04,679 --> 01:16:06,320
first came in in

1798
01:16:06,320 --> 01:16:09,600
2011 so those reports you want the city

1799
01:16:09,600 --> 01:16:11,880
clerk reach council member individually

1800
01:16:11,880 --> 01:16:14,040
so getting those monthly reports is

1801
01:16:14,040 --> 01:16:14,960
nothing

1802
01:16:14,960 --> 01:16:20,800
new uh the big issue last year with the

1803
01:16:20,800 --> 01:16:24,480
budget I had asked the council I forget

1804
01:16:24,480 --> 01:16:26,320
10 days days before I submitted my

1805
01:16:26,320 --> 01:16:29,360
budget to you were there any comments

1806
01:16:29,360 --> 01:16:31,600
changes uh that you wanted there's no

1807
01:16:31,600 --> 01:16:35,280
response to that put the budget out your

1808
01:16:35,280 --> 01:16:37,920
review took and initially

1809
01:16:37,920 --> 01:16:40,239
cut a large amount of money out of

1810
01:16:40,239 --> 01:16:43,310
Public Safety

1811
01:16:43,320 --> 01:16:46,719
overtime I couldn't fully support that s

1812
01:16:46,719 --> 01:16:49,400
in The veto the budget we came back then

1813
01:16:49,400 --> 01:16:50,560
fully

1814
01:16:50,560 --> 01:16:53,040
restored the public safety largely

1815
01:16:53,040 --> 01:16:56,320
overtime budget and made cuts across the

1816
01:16:56,320 --> 01:16:58,800
board in nonpublic

1817
01:16:58,800 --> 01:17:01,679
safety and it didn't make sense or could

1818
01:17:01,679 --> 01:17:05,040
I support a shift in that where you were

1819
01:17:05,040 --> 01:17:07,760
taking it from the nonpublic

1820
01:17:07,760 --> 01:17:12,520
safety and again I've done 10 budgets to

1821
01:17:12,520 --> 01:17:14,560
member of the city council chaired the

1822
01:17:14,560 --> 01:17:17,600
finance committee for every one of those

1823
01:17:17,600 --> 01:17:19,560
had the opportunity to serve for a dozen

1824
01:17:19,560 --> 01:17:21,040
years as

1825
01:17:21,040 --> 01:17:24,360
mayor we've always negotiated with staff

1826
01:17:24,360 --> 01:17:25,560
members

1827
01:17:25,560 --> 01:17:27,679
and when I asked for we wanted Cuts in

1828
01:17:27,679 --> 01:17:29,320
public safety to go back to the police

1829
01:17:29,320 --> 01:17:31,159
and fire department and let them make

1830
01:17:31,159 --> 01:17:34,840
those changes no the council locked into

1831
01:17:34,840 --> 01:17:37,679
specific budget items that I couldn't

1832
01:17:37,679 --> 01:17:39,960
support nor could the department have to

1833
01:17:39,960 --> 01:17:42,040
support and then the shift in the other

1834
01:17:42,040 --> 01:17:44,360
direction to non-public safety just

1835
01:17:44,360 --> 01:17:48,199
seemed to be a play to try and get what

1836
01:17:48,199 --> 01:17:50,560
I thought was this Patrick's vote in the

1837
01:17:50,560 --> 01:17:52,520
whole thing because you were advocating

1838
01:17:52,520 --> 01:17:56,400
very heavily for the public safety

1839
01:17:56,400 --> 01:17:59,080
I want to work with you I'm proud of the

1840
01:17:59,080 --> 01:18:00,679
record that I have I'm proud of the

1841
01:18:00,679 --> 01:18:03,000
record that we have as a community and

1842
01:18:03,000 --> 01:18:04,280
you look at the things that have

1843
01:18:04,280 --> 01:18:07,800
happened other cities and areas around

1844
01:18:07,800 --> 01:18:10,120
here are envious of the success that we

1845
01:18:10,120 --> 01:18:12,520
had and it's because of the competence

1846
01:18:12,520 --> 01:18:14,560
that we have in the professional staff

1847
01:18:14,560 --> 01:18:16,480
our Partnerships with other levels of

1848
01:18:16,480 --> 01:18:18,920
government and businesses and Community

1849
01:18:18,920 --> 01:18:22,080
leaders that produce Real Results here

1850
01:18:22,080 --> 01:18:24,199
so I again look forward to working with

1851
01:18:24,199 --> 01:18:26,600
you in this budg process the proposal

1852
01:18:26,600 --> 01:18:29,159
that I have put forth is a charter

1853
01:18:29,159 --> 01:18:32,520
amendment I believe serves the needs of

1854
01:18:32,520 --> 01:18:35,320
us in the short term and we'll clear up

1855
01:18:35,320 --> 01:18:37,440
any ambiguities going forward in the

1856
01:18:37,440 --> 01:18:38,920
future no matter who happens to be

1857
01:18:38,920 --> 01:18:40,679
sitting as mayor or member of the city

1858
01:18:40,679 --> 01:18:42,760
council and I would appreciate your

1859
01:18:42,760 --> 01:18:45,480
consideration and support for that just

1860
01:18:45,480 --> 01:18:49,639
a followup on that does the uh Council

1861
01:18:49,639 --> 01:18:52,120
wish to call for a public hearing you

1862
01:18:52,120 --> 01:18:53,800
know resolution form for the public

1863
01:18:53,800 --> 01:18:55,280
hearing next week

1864
01:18:55,280 --> 01:18:57,800
I for the resolution P for the public he

1865
01:18:57,800 --> 01:18:59,880
next week for the public hearing to be

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held on August

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12 I

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we're

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01:19:07,679 --> 01:19:09,360
otherwise well I mean otherwise we're

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01:19:09,360 --> 01:19:10,440
not going to be able to stick to this

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01:19:10,440 --> 01:19:13,199
time table in in time for this year's

1872
01:19:13,199 --> 01:19:15,440
budget it's not it's not going to affect

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01:19:15,440 --> 01:19:17,280
this year's budget oh that's true that's

1874
01:19:17,280 --> 01:19:21,550
right that's right that's right I'm

1875
01:19:21,560 --> 01:19:24,440
sorry the which means then you're

1876
01:19:24,440 --> 01:19:27,400
looking had an entire cycle through

1877
01:19:27,400 --> 01:19:29,800
thank you yeah

1878
01:19:29,800 --> 01:19:32,000
so it's you know if you're calling for

1879
01:19:32,000 --> 01:19:33,360
the public hearing that's the public

1880
01:19:33,360 --> 01:19:36,310
hearing on

1881
01:19:36,320 --> 01:19:39,880
12 and the public hearing based on has

1882
01:19:39,880 --> 01:19:44,239
what's here right before I mean it's

1883
01:19:44,239 --> 01:19:47,000
uh obviously it's not obligating anybody

1884
01:19:47,000 --> 01:19:49,000
to you know vote for the the proposal

1885
01:19:49,000 --> 01:19:53,440
it's just what's what's there and if

1886
01:19:53,440 --> 01:19:57,239
there's any Amendment to this and

1887
01:19:57,239 --> 01:19:59,320
uh certainly you

1888
01:19:59,320 --> 01:20:02,159
can perhaps deal with that on your

1889
01:20:02,159 --> 01:20:05,440
August 5th meeting you want to have any

1890
01:20:05,440 --> 01:20:07,719
amendments to

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01:20:07,719 --> 01:20:11,080
this PO getting it to the you know

1892
01:20:11,080 --> 01:20:14,840
posted prior to the 12th and then that

1893
01:20:14,840 --> 01:20:17,560
will give you one last committee cycle

1894
01:20:17,560 --> 01:20:20,000
we would be on

1895
01:20:20,000 --> 01:20:22,920
19th to tweet one last time before you

1896
01:20:22,920 --> 01:20:26,159
voted on the 26th that's the last that's

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01:20:26,159 --> 01:20:28,199
not having any special meetings not

1898
01:20:28,199 --> 01:20:29,880
adjourning any meetings I'm just giving

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01:20:29,880 --> 01:20:33,480
you you know according to your current

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[Applause]

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01:20:36,719 --> 01:20:40,560
schedule public hearing we can

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01:20:40,560 --> 01:20:43,840
maintain time that's going to happen

1903
01:20:43,840 --> 01:20:46,679
from my colleagues on

1904
01:20:46,679 --> 01:20:50,840
to the thought of if that if we go for

1905
01:20:50,840 --> 01:20:54,719
that way then to mr's ear pointment r

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01:20:54,719 --> 01:20:57,120
that kind of larger more comprehensive

1907
01:20:57,120 --> 01:21:02,000
change to char that does when apply for

1908
01:21:02,000 --> 01:21:03,560
doing

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01:21:03,560 --> 01:21:06,440
so um so you're asking us to move for

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health public hearing as what was

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01:21:08,760 --> 01:21:10,840
presented to us what was presented you

1912
01:21:10,840 --> 01:21:12,840
also have two committee cycles in which

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to review it again you'll have the

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01:21:14,480 --> 01:21:17,440
committee cycle on the 5th you'll have

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01:21:17,440 --> 01:21:20,199
the committee cycle on the 12 looking at

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01:21:20,199 --> 01:21:22,960
the final time you can vote on is on the

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01:21:22,960 --> 01:21:27,520
26th but it's just moving the

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01:21:27,520 --> 01:21:30,880
process yes as I stated earlier I

1919
01:21:30,880 --> 01:21:35,000
am I'm leaning toward maybe you know the

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commission a chart to

1921
01:21:36,800 --> 01:21:40,040
revise commission to look at the entire

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01:21:40,040 --> 01:21:43,159
chart and make recommendation including

1923
01:21:43,159 --> 01:21:46,560
this comment back to the budet and come

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01:21:46,560 --> 01:21:50,960
back to us and then we forward to to to amend the

1925
01:21:50,960 --> 01:21:53,440
other I there are a lot of things that

1926
01:21:53,440 --> 01:21:55,639
we should look at to change

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01:21:55,639 --> 01:21:59,239
the Char not only the budget provision

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but many other

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01:22:06,920 --> 01:22:11,719
things well I just want to say I think I would support um having a public

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01:22:11,719 --> 01:22:14,719
hearing on on the 12 um for this

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01:22:14,719 --> 01:22:17,040
particular change to the Charter I also

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01:22:17,040 --> 01:22:20,400
support the idea of the mayor um you

1933
01:22:20,400 --> 01:22:21,960
know appointing a commission that would

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do a longer term uh Charter but that's

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01:22:25,280 --> 01:22:28,360
going to take time to review the entire

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01:22:28,360 --> 01:22:29,400
Charter and come back with

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recommendations Etc to change you know

1938
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if there are changes to be made um

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01:22:34,400 --> 01:22:35,400
that's going to be a pretty

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01:22:35,400 --> 01:22:37,520
comprehensive process so I think that we

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miss the vote on um being able to

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[Music]

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get and I publicly made the commitment

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you made the commitment to Farley the

1945
01:22:52,840 --> 01:22:55,040
council collectively made the commitment

1946
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that we would put something to the

1947
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voters this year to clear up the

1948
01:23:00,280 --> 01:23:04,639
ambiguity that exists within the process

1949
01:23:04,639 --> 01:23:07,910
played out last

1950
01:23:07,920 --> 01:23:14,840
year I I I would support the comparing I like the proposal I think that does

1951
01:23:14,840 --> 01:23:18,199
put in um some safeguards so we don't we

1952
01:23:18,199 --> 01:23:20,239
avoid what happened last year and moving

1953
01:23:20,239 --> 01:23:22,880
forward uh we have a month for us to

1954
01:23:22,880 --> 01:23:26,360
come together I think in watching last year it wasn't so much with the

1955
01:23:26,360 --> 01:23:28,400
mayor as well that the council wasn't in

1956
01:23:28,400 --> 01:23:32,679
agreement it give us many items um it

1957
01:23:32,679 --> 01:23:34,560
gives us that 30 days for us to come

1958
01:23:34,560 --> 01:23:37,960
together and put a budget forward for

1959
01:23:37,960 --> 01:23:41,520
the mayor to consider and it puts in

1960
01:23:41,520 --> 01:23:44,199
those safeguards that if we can't do

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01:23:44,199 --> 01:23:47,280
that it would fall back to his his

1962
01:23:47,280 --> 01:23:50,320
budget but that we have 30 days us as a

1963
01:23:50,320 --> 01:23:53,080
council and and we probably have an idea

1964
01:23:53,080 --> 01:23:55,320
moving up to October first about what

1965
01:23:55,320 --> 01:23:57,159
how things are looking so we can start

1966
01:23:57,159 --> 01:23:59,639
to have conversations and and you know

1967
01:23:59,639 --> 01:24:01,400
where are the areas that we may not be

1968
01:24:01,400 --> 01:24:04,360
AG agreement agreeing on and then we can

1969
01:24:04,360 --> 01:24:06,480
have dialogue with the mayor saying you

1970
01:24:06,480 --> 01:24:08,600
once you get that budget you know these

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01:24:08,600 --> 01:24:09,880
are things that we're having some

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01:24:09,880 --> 01:24:12,760
concern but begin that conversations and

1973
01:24:12,760 --> 01:24:14,440
then we can continue to work towards a

1974
01:24:14,440 --> 01:24:16,920
budget that works for everyone I think

1975
01:24:16,920 --> 01:24:18,440
there should be something if we don't

1976
01:24:18,440 --> 01:24:20,800
agree you know that's on us and then may

1977
01:24:20,800 --> 01:24:26,360
or take it um we couldn't come up with a plan and that works the only

1978
01:24:26,360 --> 01:24:29,840
thing is is like in in that 30 days

1979
01:24:29,840 --> 01:24:31,840
we're having those conversations like we

1980
01:24:31,840 --> 01:24:34,600
all come up with the plan that we agree

1981
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on you can still be it obviously right

1982
01:24:38,000 --> 01:24:40,280
and then we come back and we have V

1983
01:24:40,280 --> 01:24:42,639
override now if we come up with a budget

1984
01:24:42,639 --> 01:24:45,239
that we all agree to it's we should have

1985
01:24:45,239 --> 01:24:49,400
an agreement that we could override the

1986
01:24:49,400 --> 01:24:52,360
beo right I mean if we all members come

1987
01:24:52,360 --> 01:24:55,920
up with a budget buy the of the month

1988
01:24:55,920 --> 01:24:58,760
that we all agree on and it goes to the

1989
01:24:58,760 --> 01:25:01,840
mayor and he vetos it right then if we

1990
01:25:01,840 --> 01:25:05,360
all agree we could override

1991
01:25:05,360 --> 01:25:07,840
veto so that system is already in place

1992
01:25:07,840 --> 01:25:10,040
it takes five votes to over ride a veto

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four to pass it five to

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over so um but my recommendation is if

1995
01:25:16,080 --> 01:25:18,360
we pass it then the mayor cannot be it

1996
01:25:18,360 --> 01:25:20,760
because we've come to an agreement so

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that just takes that ey off the table as

1998
01:25:22,840 --> 01:25:25,600
opposed to it does doesn't pass and then

1999
01:25:25,600 --> 01:25:27,480
it reverts to the to the mayor's budget

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01:25:27,480 --> 01:25:29,280
so that's that would be my

2001
01:25:29,280 --> 01:25:31,440
recommendation that if we could come

2002
01:25:31,440 --> 01:25:33,560
together the council agrees be able to

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01:25:33,560 --> 01:25:36,159
pass this Budget on time that that that

2004
01:25:36,159 --> 01:25:44,709
removes The veto Pack

2005
01:25:44,719 --> 01:25:47,159
Mr it's an interesting question I don't

2006
01:25:47,159 --> 01:25:48,760
you can't reduce the authority of an

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01:25:48,760 --> 01:25:50,360
elected official during the term of

2008
01:25:50,360 --> 01:25:53,760
office so you can't say or today I can

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veto

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[Applause]

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uh attain directly to the voters just

2012
01:25:59,679 --> 01:26:03,239
creates a kind ofed process and again

2013
01:26:03,239 --> 01:26:07,870
what we have is a fairly simple

2014
01:26:07,880 --> 01:26:10,400
straightforward clarification some of

2015
01:26:10,400 --> 01:26:11,719
the things that happened last year that

2016
01:26:11,719 --> 01:26:14,719
left us in limbo and again I would ask

2017
01:26:14,719 --> 01:26:17,760
the council's support to move forward

2018
01:26:17,760 --> 01:26:20,480
with this uh you do the public

2019
01:26:20,480 --> 01:26:23,360
hearing if there's comments one way or

2020
01:26:23,360 --> 01:26:25,360
the other you have to take those into

2021
01:26:25,360 --> 01:26:27,840
consideration but I do not believe there

2022
01:26:27,840 --> 01:26:31,159
will be any overwhelming public push

2023
01:26:31,159 --> 01:26:33,360
back from the scenario that I've put

2024
01:26:33,360 --> 01:26:35,239
forth for your

2025
01:26:35,239 --> 01:26:37,639
consideration and I would just also

2026
01:26:37,639 --> 01:26:39,679
caution as a that these type of changes

2027
01:26:39,679 --> 01:26:41,040
that we're talking about that we're

2028
01:26:41,040 --> 01:26:44,239
making this is not necessarily um just

2029
01:26:44,239 --> 01:26:45,760
impacting

2030
01:26:45,760 --> 01:26:48,600
um you know or based on the Dynamics or

2031
01:26:48,600 --> 01:26:50,840
the people that are in seats now we have

2032
01:26:50,840 --> 01:26:53,480
to be forward thinking around what are

2033
01:26:53,480 --> 01:26:55,320
the appropriate checks and balances to

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01:26:55,320 --> 01:26:57,560
operate as as the government City's

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01:26:57,560 --> 01:27:00,320
connected again that's why the the

2036
01:27:00,320 --> 01:27:04,360
conversations around what what happened

2037
01:27:04,360 --> 01:27:06,840
last year I think that the thought has

2038
01:27:06,840 --> 01:27:09,360
to be not just about what happened last

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01:27:09,360 --> 01:27:11,320
year but what happened last year was

2040
01:27:11,320 --> 01:27:13,560
that we saw oh that there's something

2041
01:27:13,560 --> 01:27:14,960
there's an adjustment that needs to be

2042
01:27:14,960 --> 01:27:16,800
made not just based on what happened

2043
01:27:16,800 --> 01:27:18,960
last year but what possibly could happen

2044
01:27:18,960 --> 01:27:21,760
moving forward in the city is connected

2045
01:27:21,760 --> 01:27:23,320
so we have to make our decisions based

2046
01:27:23,320 --> 01:27:25,880
on that not not based on the person

2047
01:27:25,880 --> 01:27:29,320
who's in U that set seat right now but

2048
01:27:29,320 --> 01:27:30,520
based on what's best for checks and

2049
01:27:30,520 --> 01:27:35,910
Balan Tove for people

2050
01:27:35,920 --> 01:27:39,400
s well the mayor says that know we can't

2051
01:27:39,400 --> 01:27:42,320
take away his how however I I feel like

2052
01:27:42,320 --> 01:27:46,639
this particular um the way that this

2053
01:27:46,639 --> 01:27:49,000
Charter revision amendment is being put

2054
01:27:49,000 --> 01:27:51,679
forward essentially takes away the power

2055
01:27:51,679 --> 01:27:54,560
or the the power and I think it our

2056
01:27:54,560 --> 01:27:56,080
level of responsibility that we commit

2057
01:27:56,080 --> 01:28:03,920
to for the council so absolutely so so it sounds like what we're saying is

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01:28:03,920 --> 01:28:06,000
that is that we all agree that something

2059
01:28:06,000 --> 01:28:10,159
needs to be done and we can do something

2060
01:28:10,159 --> 01:28:11,679
however

2061
01:28:11,679 --> 01:28:19,199
the point of of disagreement will be what happens

2062
01:28:19,199 --> 01:28:22,000
with the um what's the next step if we

2063
01:28:22,000 --> 01:28:23,719
get to the point we don't make that bu

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01:28:23,719 --> 01:28:26,719
so if if there's not agreed to F bu so

2065
01:28:26,719 --> 01:28:28,639
again what I'm suggesting is that we

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01:28:28,639 --> 01:28:30,040
come up with something that would say

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01:28:30,040 --> 01:28:32,280
that we would go with the existing

2068
01:28:32,280 --> 01:28:36,360
budget and amend based on on on

2069
01:28:36,360 --> 01:28:38,000
inflation and and

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01:28:38,000 --> 01:28:43,119
cost cost of Life increases I think that would cover

2071
01:28:43,119 --> 01:28:46,239
um the the rising expenses that you're

2072
01:28:46,239 --> 01:28:48,360
talking about and it still will be a

2073
01:28:48,360 --> 01:28:51,199
budget that was agreed upon by a body at

2074
01:28:51,199 --> 01:28:52,800
that at that time it wouldn't just be a

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01:28:52,800 --> 01:28:55,679
matter of of the clock running out and

2076
01:28:55,679 --> 01:28:59,239
then once the clock's R 12 you have no

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01:28:59,239 --> 01:29:02,600
um no say so and you can go back to the

2078
01:29:02,600 --> 01:29:05,040
original proposed budget that likely

2079
01:29:05,040 --> 01:29:07,159
would be the reason why you had to disre

2080
01:29:07,159 --> 01:29:08,880
to be done I just think that that that

2081
01:29:08,880 --> 01:29:12,000
doesn't look down for that doesn't sound

2082
01:29:12,000 --> 01:29:15,870
wise to

2083
01:29:15,880 --> 01:29:18,760
me so am I right this is just calling

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01:29:18,760 --> 01:29:20,800
for a public hear call for for a public

2085
01:29:20,800 --> 01:29:22,800
hearing only okay we have two months if

2086
01:29:22,800 --> 01:29:24,639
we want to add or subtract something to

2087
01:29:24,639 --> 01:29:27,520
it but whether we do or don't it's going

2088
01:29:27,520 --> 01:29:29,679
out to the to the to the city is

2089
01:29:29,679 --> 01:29:31,080
connected to the

2090
01:29:31,080 --> 01:29:36,470
voters let them be the final

2091
01:29:36,480 --> 01:29:38,800
charge but the public hearing is on what

2092
01:29:38,800 --> 01:29:42,040
we present correct so I'm saying to you

2093
01:29:42,040 --> 01:29:43,880
I'm not agreeing with that to present

2094
01:29:43,880 --> 01:29:46,280
that that's what I'm saying to you AG to

2095
01:29:46,280 --> 01:29:47,760
present that I understand but you're

2096
01:29:47,760 --> 01:29:48,760
saying just put it out there because

2097
01:29:48,760 --> 01:29:50,199
it's a public hearing and I'm saying the

2098
01:29:50,199 --> 01:29:52,520
public hearing says public this is what

2099
01:29:52,520 --> 01:29:53,719
we're presenting to you we would like

2100
01:29:53,719 --> 01:29:55,679
your input on that and I'm saying to you

2101
01:29:55,679 --> 01:29:57,560
that I am not in agreement with what is

2102
01:29:57,560 --> 01:30:00,000
being presented for the public here have

2103
01:30:00,000 --> 01:30:01,880
you come up with something that I gave

2104
01:30:01,880 --> 01:30:04,960
what but the mayor said it's it's not

2105
01:30:04,960 --> 01:30:07,320
acceptable I haven't seen anything from

2106
01:30:07,320 --> 01:30:11,709
you that in the package

2107
01:30:11,719 --> 01:30:14,560
today yes no in this no just the only

2108
01:30:14,560 --> 01:30:16,320
thing that we had was from the last time

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01:30:16,320 --> 01:30:21,490
is just in this discussion

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[Applause]

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01:30:26,600 --> 01:30:28,880
I guess um I I would

2112
01:30:28,880 --> 01:30:32,000
have with respect to everyone that's

2113
01:30:32,000 --> 01:30:37,149
giving input here but um I think

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that we

2115
01:30:39,800 --> 01:30:42,639
have we have folks that are going to

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01:30:42,639 --> 01:30:46,320
present to us a budget I mean I guess I

2117
01:30:46,320 --> 01:30:48,600
don't feel like we should be just

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01:30:48,600 --> 01:30:50,600
looking at the current budget I mean

2119
01:30:50,600 --> 01:30:51,880
they are going to look at the current

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01:30:51,880 --> 01:30:54,840
budget I guess where here

2121
01:30:54,840 --> 01:30:56,880
the the staff and the mayor will be

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01:30:56,880 --> 01:31:00,800
using the budget for 2024 right which I

2123
01:31:00,800 --> 01:31:02,400
think is what you're suggesting would be

2124
01:31:02,400 --> 01:31:04,719
what we would revert back to if it could

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01:31:04,719 --> 01:31:06,360
come to agreement but they will be

2126
01:31:06,360 --> 01:31:09,639
looking at inre right no I get that but

2127
01:31:09,639 --> 01:31:13,719
I I guess I would say that it's my guess

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01:31:13,719 --> 01:31:15,920
um that the mayor and the department

2129
01:31:15,920 --> 01:31:18,040
heads will be using that and will be

2130
01:31:18,040 --> 01:31:19,880
making the appropriate cost of building

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01:31:19,880 --> 01:31:21,920
adjustments and the adjustments for the

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01:31:21,920 --> 01:31:26,000
raises and Etc on the 2024 budget to

2133
01:31:26,000 --> 01:31:28,000
begin with I mean I think that's what

2134
01:31:28,000 --> 01:31:30,360
that would be part of platform that they

2135
01:31:30,360 --> 01:31:32,040
would that they would have to

2136
01:31:32,040 --> 01:31:35,560
also start from when they are uh looking

2137
01:31:35,560 --> 01:31:38,440
at the 2025 budget so you know I think

2138
01:31:38,440 --> 01:31:40,400
that's just part of the process of

2139
01:31:40,400 --> 01:31:43,560
planning a budget um that they would

2140
01:31:43,560 --> 01:31:45,920
themselves be doing that and it would be

2141
01:31:45,920 --> 01:31:48,800
part of the 2025 budget as presented by

2142
01:31:48,800 --> 01:31:49,960
the

2143
01:31:49,960 --> 01:31:54,189
mayor just

2144
01:31:54,199 --> 01:31:56,639
I was going to say yes I am some of that

2145
01:31:56,639 --> 01:31:59,480
and yes so yes and so yes I'm sure that

2146
01:31:59,480 --> 01:32:03,159
that's part of the calculations that would be made

2147
01:32:03,159 --> 01:32:06,080
however if for referencing um last year

2148
01:32:06,080 --> 01:32:08,119
it wasn't just part of those

2149
01:32:08,119 --> 01:32:10,159
calculations that were being made that

2150
01:32:10,159 --> 01:32:12,280
was some of the points again it was it

2151
01:32:12,280 --> 01:32:14,840
was aror money um and there so there

2152
01:32:14,840 --> 01:32:16,600
were some unique circumstances which I

2153
01:32:16,600 --> 01:32:18,080
think in unique circumstances you can

2154
01:32:18,080 --> 01:32:20,239
find yourself in new situation I don't

2155
01:32:20,239 --> 01:32:22,480
know what the future holds but had there

2156
01:32:22,480 --> 01:32:24,280
been something in the charter that we

2157
01:32:24,280 --> 01:32:26,280
could refer back to it would have

2158
01:32:26,280 --> 01:32:28,320
increased our likelihood to not going

2159
01:32:28,320 --> 01:32:30,960
through as much as what we can through

2160
01:32:30,960 --> 01:32:33,080
in order to get what we have to get so

2161
01:32:33,080 --> 01:32:34,760
my thing is yes I believe again that

2162
01:32:34,760 --> 01:32:36,119
there needs to be something and to the

2163
01:32:36,119 --> 01:32:38,440
mayor's point we did commit to put

2164
01:32:38,440 --> 01:32:41,719
something um uh on the ballot for voters

2165
01:32:41,719 --> 01:32:45,159
to vote on and my point is that I agree

2166
01:32:45,159 --> 01:32:47,400
with that I just don't I I don't agree

2167
01:32:47,400 --> 01:32:49,080
with that one piece of it and I think

2168
01:32:49,080 --> 01:32:50,560
that that really limits checks and

2169
01:32:50,560 --> 01:32:53,800
balances and our our our our respons

2170
01:32:53,800 --> 01:32:56,560
responsibility and Our obligation to um

2171
01:32:56,560 --> 01:32:59,440
put forth a balanced agreed upon budget

2172
01:32:59,440 --> 01:33:02,159
I Feel Like We can't agree upon what's

2173
01:33:02,159 --> 01:33:03,760
presented in front of us to say well if

2174
01:33:03,760 --> 01:33:06,080
you can't agree upon it make agreement

2175
01:33:06,080 --> 01:33:07,199
by this thing we're just going to go

2176
01:33:07,199 --> 01:33:10,199
with that anyway I just to me I don't

2177
01:33:10,199 --> 01:33:12,280
see the logic that that really limits

2178
01:33:12,280 --> 01:33:14,800
our our our ability to fill our schope

2179
01:33:14,800 --> 01:33:18,270
to

2180
01:33:18,280 --> 01:33:21,360
work I mean we can all not have this

2181
01:33:21,360 --> 01:33:23,760
conversation if we if we as a counil

2182
01:33:23,760 --> 01:33:25,920
decide to work together we need to

2183
01:33:25,920 --> 01:33:27,719
compromise we cannot come to the

2184
01:33:27,719 --> 01:33:30,679
discussion during the budget and we come

2185
01:33:30,679 --> 01:33:32,920
there we open our books and we're not

2186
01:33:32,920 --> 01:33:36,159
making any good faith suggestion good

2187
01:33:36,159 --> 01:33:38,840
faith um effort to help us to arrive at

2188
01:33:38,840 --> 01:33:42,520
a buet that is workable to the city to

2189
01:33:42,520 --> 01:33:45,360
the staff to the taxpayer we need to

2190
01:33:45,360 --> 01:33:47,880
change our approach when we discussing

2191
01:33:47,880 --> 01:33:50,360
have an open mind all this discussion

2192
01:33:50,360 --> 01:33:52,560
will be useless we're talking about if

2193
01:33:52,560 --> 01:33:55,520
we can put a good fate effort to

2194
01:33:55,520 --> 01:33:58,480
negotiate and to compromise and to look

2195
01:33:58,480 --> 01:34:01,880
out for everyone this this is like this

2196
01:34:01,880 --> 01:34:04,560
is useless yeah we should have a budget

2197
01:34:04,560 --> 01:34:07,040
we need to compromise we need to open we

2198
01:34:07,040 --> 01:34:09,199
need to open communication at the end

2199
01:34:09,199 --> 01:34:11,080
for counil member along with the mayor

2200
01:34:11,080 --> 01:34:13,440
was able to compromise and able to have

2201
01:34:13,440 --> 01:34:15,440
a budget at the

2202
01:34:15,440 --> 01:34:18,080
end and we were able to achieve that

2203
01:34:18,080 --> 01:34:20,719
four council member along the mayor so

2204
01:34:20,719 --> 01:34:22,199
we should give the four council member

2205
01:34:22,199 --> 01:34:23,800
the mayor credit at that point in time

2206
01:34:23,800 --> 01:34:25,679
and we were able to achieve that all of

2207
01:34:25,679 --> 01:34:27,960
us need to work collectively come to the

2208
01:34:27,960 --> 01:34:29,840
table with an open mind don't open your

2209
01:34:29,840 --> 01:34:31,719
book and you have no questions you're

2210
01:34:31,719 --> 01:34:34,000
not seeking no answer to the budget it

2211
01:34:34,000 --> 01:34:37,920
shows that we lack our our ability to go

2212
01:34:37,920 --> 01:34:39,800
through the budget and to come up with

2213
01:34:39,800 --> 01:34:42,679
questions and to seek answers and to

2214
01:34:42,679 --> 01:34:45,719
make meaningful recommendation as to how

2215
01:34:45,719 --> 01:34:48,320
we move forward not because we have a

2216
01:34:48,320 --> 01:34:51,639
budget that present to us it's a budget

2217
01:34:51,639 --> 01:34:53,880
it's everybody is going to ask for from

2218
01:34:53,880 --> 01:34:56,880
A to Z we as a council need to say no

2219
01:34:56,880 --> 01:34:58,960
we're not going to give you from A to Z

2220
01:34:58,960 --> 01:35:00,360
we're going to give you as much as we

2221
01:35:00,360 --> 01:35:02,040
can and at the same time we have to look

2222
01:35:02,040 --> 01:35:05,040
up for taxpayers so I think yes I agree

2223
01:35:05,040 --> 01:35:07,239
with everything that you said Mr W I

2224
01:35:07,239 --> 01:35:10,000
think that you know my conversations

2225
01:35:10,000 --> 01:35:14,239
with the mayor um towards the late hours

2226
01:35:14,239 --> 01:35:17,199
of of the budget process um with support

2227
01:35:17,199 --> 01:35:18,960
of council members they were fruitful

2228
01:35:18,960 --> 01:35:21,360
conversations and again I I appreciate

2229
01:35:21,360 --> 01:35:23,239
and appla the Mak discussions that he

2230
01:35:23,239 --> 01:35:27,239
did as I do um same to my colleagues um

2231
01:35:27,239 --> 01:35:30,159
as you all did and we got it done so but

2232
01:35:30,159 --> 01:35:31,600
again this

2233
01:35:31,600 --> 01:35:34,520
isn't uh legislation just based in that

2234
01:35:34,520 --> 01:35:35,960
one

2235
01:35:35,960 --> 01:35:38,719
scenario and you know I agree with the

2236
01:35:38,719 --> 01:35:41,040
compromise piece because you know what

2237
01:35:41,040 --> 01:35:44,280
I'm not saying is Well if we can't come

2238
01:35:44,280 --> 01:35:47,040
up with a budget at this date then it

2239
01:35:47,040 --> 01:35:49,440
refer then then the budget refers to a

2240
01:35:49,440 --> 01:35:51,119
budget the proposed budget of the

2241
01:35:51,119 --> 01:35:53,119
majority of the city council I'm not

2242
01:35:53,119 --> 01:35:55,040
saying that right because to me I think

2243
01:35:55,040 --> 01:35:57,360
that that would be completely uh

2244
01:35:57,360 --> 01:36:00,440
undermining the mayor's office uh

2245
01:36:00,440 --> 01:36:03,480
ability to negotiate and act in good

2246
01:36:03,480 --> 01:36:05,800
place so I'm saying that wouldn't be

2247
01:36:05,800 --> 01:36:08,639
good for for the council to be able to

2248
01:36:08,639 --> 01:36:11,320
say oh times out you just go now you

2249
01:36:11,320 --> 01:36:12,920
just got a Mr Mayor tough luck you just

2250
01:36:12,920 --> 01:36:14,719
have to go with what we're saying and it

2251
01:36:14,719 --> 01:36:17,760
wouldn't be good for the mayor's office

2252
01:36:17,760 --> 01:36:19,920
to say that to us either I don't think

2253
01:36:19,920 --> 01:36:21,000
that there's going to be a problem

2254
01:36:21,000 --> 01:36:23,239
moving forward I agree that the mayor um

2255
01:36:23,239 --> 01:36:24,760
he demonstrated his willingness to work

2256
01:36:24,760 --> 01:36:26,159
with us as a council and make

2257
01:36:26,159 --> 01:36:27,920
concessions I appreciate that but again

2258
01:36:27,920 --> 01:36:29,679
it's not just about the mayor that's

2259
01:36:29,679 --> 01:36:31,480
sitting in front of you right now or

2260
01:36:31,480 --> 01:36:32,960
whether there about their council

2261
01:36:32,960 --> 01:36:35,440
members sit this legislation has to be

2262
01:36:35,440 --> 01:36:37,000
about maintaining certain checks and

2263
01:36:37,000 --> 01:36:38,480
balances so I don't think that the

2264
01:36:38,480 --> 01:36:39,719
council should be able to make that

2265
01:36:39,719 --> 01:36:41,719
decision by default in just Round the

2266
01:36:41,719 --> 01:36:42,639
Clock and I don't think that that's

2267
01:36:42,639 --> 01:36:45,119
something that's Happ from the

2268
01:36:45,119 --> 01:36:47,480
me thank you Mr chairman just to follow

2269
01:36:47,480 --> 01:36:49,920
on some of your earlier comments looking

2270
01:36:49,920 --> 01:36:52,239
at these Charters from the other

2271
01:36:52,239 --> 01:36:53,840
surrounding cities they may have

2272
01:36:53,840 --> 01:36:56,800
different time frames as far as their

2273
01:36:56,800 --> 01:36:59,080
fiscal years are based Amsterdam's in

2274
01:36:59,080 --> 01:37:01,440
the middle of the Year others are you

2275
01:37:01,440 --> 01:37:04,600
know out in December but what the

2276
01:37:04,600 --> 01:37:08,440
commonality is is is going full

2277
01:37:08,440 --> 01:37:11,360
conversations here is it's a recognition

2278
01:37:11,360 --> 01:37:12,760
that it's not just the people in the

2279
01:37:12,760 --> 01:37:16,000
room at that particular time that

2280
01:37:16,000 --> 01:37:19,480
it's so whether it be Amsterdam or ALB

2281
01:37:19,480 --> 01:37:22,960
or Troy they all put this a similar

2282
01:37:22,960 --> 01:37:26,400
system in in the the case where the

2283
01:37:26,400 --> 01:37:28,520
mayor and the council could not come to

2284
01:37:28,520 --> 01:37:31,280
an agreement that both sides would then

2285
01:37:31,280 --> 01:37:34,440
have their full input into the

2286
01:37:34,440 --> 01:37:37,000
process if the council doesn't anything

2287
01:37:37,000 --> 01:37:39,119
then they they've defaulted their

2288
01:37:39,119 --> 01:37:42,080
position and then the mayor's position

2289
01:37:42,080 --> 01:37:44,040
is adopted if the mayor doesn't open

2290
01:37:44,040 --> 01:37:45,880
anything with the council's amended

2291
01:37:45,880 --> 01:37:50,679
budget then that he he has

2292
01:37:50,679 --> 01:37:55,599
uh vacated his his position as far

2293
01:37:55,599 --> 01:37:59,000
as he's waved his position he's waved

2294
01:37:59,000 --> 01:38:02,000
his position but the council if he does

2295
01:38:02,000 --> 01:38:05,679
do something the council can override

2296
01:38:05,679 --> 01:38:08,480
that and the council's

2297
01:38:08,480 --> 01:38:10,320
veto if it's

2298
01:38:10,320 --> 01:38:13,840
overridden be the council's budget so

2299
01:38:13,840 --> 01:38:16,760
it's going the back and forth each side

2300
01:38:16,760 --> 01:38:19,360
having their opportunity to have some

2301
01:38:19,360 --> 01:38:20,599
say in the

2302
01:38:20,599 --> 01:38:24,520
budget and each side Rec each every side

2303
01:38:24,520 --> 01:38:25,800
having that Authority that they

2304
01:38:25,800 --> 01:38:29,280
inherently have the override The

2305
01:38:29,280 --> 01:38:31,760
veto and but and whether you know

2306
01:38:31,760 --> 01:38:35,760
whether the council not doing their position uh doing anything by the

2307
01:38:35,760 --> 01:38:37,960
deadline or the mayor not doing anything

2308
01:38:37,960 --> 01:38:41,920
by the mayor's deadline um the budget

2309
01:38:41,920 --> 01:38:45,560
will be as amended by the council or not

2310
01:38:45,560 --> 01:38:47,880
acted by the council okay as the case

2311
01:38:47,880 --> 01:38:51,920
may be will become it become the the

2312
01:38:51,920 --> 01:38:54,679
budget I think each one of those looking

2313
01:38:54,679 --> 01:38:56,960
at each one of those some cities went

2314
01:38:56,960 --> 01:38:58,760
into a deeper dive in detail like the

2315
01:38:58,760 --> 01:39:03,400
city of troit um others more streamline

2316
01:39:03,400 --> 01:39:07,840
like Amsterdam and alies in the middle

2317
01:39:07,840 --> 01:39:10,000
but it recognizes that it's not just

2318
01:39:10,000 --> 01:39:12,960
people this is prospectively right this

2319
01:39:12,960 --> 01:39:16,560
is prospectively with a recognition each

2320
01:39:16,560 --> 01:39:19,560
sides part of the

2321
01:39:19,560 --> 01:39:26,030
process that's that's just fine

2322
01:39:26,040 --> 01:39:27,800
just one historical note there was one

2323
01:39:27,800 --> 01:39:29,480
budget that I chaired the finance

2324
01:39:29,480 --> 01:39:31,719
committee

2325
01:39:31,719 --> 01:39:34,639
that Council made changes to the mayor

2326
01:39:34,639 --> 01:39:37,400
didn't like the mayor vetoed it and the

2327
01:39:37,400 --> 01:39:39,960
council overrode it 70 adap to the

2328
01:39:39,960 --> 01:39:48,510
budget Mr was one of

2329
01:39:48,520 --> 01:39:53,750
s so

2330
01:39:53,760 --> 01:39:57,119
um what I suggest you know maybe call

2331
01:39:57,119 --> 01:40:00,560
for the public hearing because we're losing a week home for the public

2332
01:40:00,560 --> 01:40:02,280
hearing you're going to be back here in

2333
01:40:02,280 --> 01:40:04,480
a couple of weeks we on the 5th of

2334
01:40:04,480 --> 01:40:07,159
August for another committee meeting if

2335
01:40:07,159 --> 01:40:09,080
you want to mark up what's before you at

2336
01:40:09,080 --> 01:40:12,800
that time then we can work on that and

2337
01:40:12,800 --> 01:40:14,639
then upload it in time for the public

2338
01:40:14,639 --> 01:40:16,719
hearing and then you also have that

2339
01:40:16,719 --> 01:40:20,790
other committee C before

2340
01:40:20,800 --> 01:40:23,080
26 at this point just for the limited

2341
01:40:23,080 --> 01:40:24,920
Purp purpose is getting a public hearing

2342
01:40:24,920 --> 01:40:26,960
the public hearing will be saying for a

2343
01:40:26,960 --> 01:40:30,320
chart adding Charter language regarding

2344
01:40:30,320 --> 01:40:32,679
the deadline of the budget and then we

2345
01:40:32,679 --> 01:40:35,280
can we can put in what materials can be

2346
01:40:35,280 --> 01:40:38,320
available if if that's what you want to

2347
01:40:38,320 --> 01:40:41,520
do and then we could put in yes what I'm

2348
01:40:41,520 --> 01:40:43,560
saying is if if you want to put

2349
01:40:43,560 --> 01:40:45,560
additional language in for the public

2350
01:40:45,560 --> 01:40:47,199
prior to the public hearing you have

2351
01:40:47,199 --> 01:40:49,280
that

2352
01:40:49,280 --> 01:40:51,719
opportunity if you want to amend if you

2353
01:40:51,719 --> 01:40:53,360
want to amend otherwise we'll just go

2354
01:40:53,360 --> 01:40:56,000
with what has been presented for

2355
01:40:56,000 --> 01:40:58,960
you but it doesn't bind anybody one way

2356
01:40:58,960 --> 01:41:00,560
or the other just calling for the public

2357
01:41:00,560 --> 01:41:03,040
hearing at this point and if you all

2358
01:41:03,040 --> 01:41:07,480
want to Market Market up the proposed

2359
01:41:07,480 --> 01:41:09,679
legislation I'm just I'm just concerned

2360
01:41:09,679 --> 01:41:11,960
about the process along you know so

2361
01:41:11,960 --> 01:41:14,760
you're not hamstr strong at the

2362
01:41:14,760 --> 01:41:18,360
end so you're saying that we if you call

2363
01:41:18,360 --> 01:41:19,920
some

2364
01:41:19,920 --> 01:41:23,719
right and that the next cycle we can put

2365
01:41:23,719 --> 01:41:26,040
forward language for those of us who do

2366
01:41:26,040 --> 01:41:27,520
not with the current language that's

2367
01:41:27,520 --> 01:41:29,960
been been provided can put both other

2368
01:41:29,960 --> 01:41:32,560
language however if at that meeting the

2369
01:41:32,560 --> 01:41:34,199
other language isn't acceptable then

2370
01:41:34,199 --> 01:41:36,119
what goes to the public hearing well I

2371
01:41:36,119 --> 01:41:38,199
mean that's something we can discuss I

2372
01:41:38,199 --> 01:41:40,400
mean what I I'm just thinking out loud

2373
01:41:40,400 --> 01:41:43,320
here but maybe you put both items on and

2374
01:41:43,320 --> 01:41:45,920
have a discussion on on both

2375
01:41:45,920 --> 01:41:48,480
proposals as a public you know is

2376
01:41:48,480 --> 01:41:49,599
because we're just talking about a

2377
01:41:49,599 --> 01:41:52,199
charter Amendment and I'm just because

2378
01:41:52,199 --> 01:41:54,639
we're dealing with time frames involved

2379
01:41:54,639 --> 01:41:56,520
here and I'm just thinking that

2380
01:41:56,520 --> 01:42:03,560
maybe have both Public public hearing you put them both

2381
01:42:03,560 --> 01:42:04,880
onto the public hearing is that what you

2382
01:42:04,880 --> 01:42:07,040
just said excuse me you're saying put if

2383
01:42:07,040 --> 01:42:09,880
there's yeah and different language

2384
01:42:09,880 --> 01:42:11,560
that's proposed other than what you

2385
01:42:11,560 --> 01:42:12,920
provided to us through the mayor's

2386
01:42:12,920 --> 01:42:15,400
office right that we would then put that

2387
01:42:15,400 --> 01:42:17,000
other proposed language forward we could

2388
01:42:17,000 --> 01:42:19,960
always do it as you both sides if that's

2389
01:42:19,960 --> 01:42:22,280
the will something has to be the public

2390
01:42:22,280 --> 01:42:24,080
hearing that goes

2391
01:42:24,080 --> 01:42:26,040
for the enacted

2392
01:42:26,040 --> 01:42:28,639
legislation things that are conflicted

2393
01:42:28,639 --> 01:42:31,560
but see the thing is the public this is

2394
01:42:31,560 --> 01:42:34,719
the because the municipal home RO law

2395
01:42:34,719 --> 01:42:38,239
doesn't require a a mandatory public

2396
01:42:38,239 --> 01:42:40,320
hearing for a legislative body requires

2397
01:42:40,320 --> 01:42:42,719
a mandatory hearing for you which is the

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01:42:42,719 --> 01:42:44,119
pass

2399
01:42:44,119 --> 01:42:46,239
legislation because this is not an

2400
01:42:46,239 --> 01:42:48,639
acting ordinance this it's a broader

2401
01:42:48,639 --> 01:42:50,880
idea it's it's it's a

2402
01:42:50,880 --> 01:42:53,599
broader there's broader parameters I

2403
01:42:53,599 --> 01:42:55,520
believe that you can work with here

2404
01:42:55,520 --> 01:42:57,679
because this is an optional public

2405
01:42:57,679 --> 01:42:59,800
hearing as opposed to the mayor's

2406
01:42:59,800 --> 01:43:01,290
mandatory public

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01:43:01,290 --> 01:43:03,360
[Music]

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01:43:03,360 --> 01:43:05,320
hearing because when

2409
01:43:05,320 --> 01:43:08,040
there's Municipal home when there's a

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01:43:08,040 --> 01:43:11,080
strong mayor for County Executive

2411
01:43:11,080 --> 01:43:12,840
they're mandated to have a public

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01:43:12,840 --> 01:43:14,800
hearing within 5

2413
01:43:14,800 --> 01:43:17,400
days for the accounts for a legislative

2414
01:43:17,400 --> 01:43:19,119
body they can have a public heent which

2415
01:43:19,119 --> 01:43:21,560
you can but they're not mandated Pursuit

2416
01:43:21,560 --> 01:43:23,639
the law to have that public he

2417
01:43:23,639 --> 01:43:25,920
so what I am suggesting is to get that

2418
01:43:25,920 --> 01:43:31,310
input we just broaden the

2419
01:43:31,320 --> 01:43:34,159
scope and we have the chance on August

2420
01:43:34,159 --> 01:43:42,390
5th right yes right to do so

2421
01:43:42,400 --> 01:43:55,350
right I'm not on that committing

2422
01:43:55,360 --> 01:43:59,320
Entertain Entertain public

2423
01:43:59,320 --> 01:44:01,199
the

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01:44:01,199 --> 01:44:04,560
um I I will word it in such way such you

2425
01:44:04,560 --> 01:44:07,000
know Charter you know propos Charter

2426
01:44:07,000 --> 01:44:09,080
amendments Charter you know propos

2427
01:44:09,080 --> 01:44:10,800
legislation regarding Charter amendment

2428
01:44:10,800 --> 01:44:11,800
to

2429
01:44:11,800 --> 01:44:14,040
section

2430
01:44:14,040 --> 01:44:15,599
uh

2431
01:44:15,599 --> 01:44:17,199
6-8

2432
01:44:17,199 --> 01:44:24,350
a just make it Brader language

2433
01:44:24,360 --> 01:44:25,760
I think I heard the mayor say that we

2434
01:44:25,760 --> 01:44:28,440
couldn't have that conflicting language

2435
01:44:28,440 --> 01:44:32,199
is that what you stating what I I don't

2436
01:44:32,199 --> 01:44:34,040
know if Mr o'ri what he's thinking that

2437
01:44:34,040 --> 01:44:35,719
you can't have things that are

2438
01:44:35,719 --> 01:44:38,239
conflicted going to the voters no no I'm

2439
01:44:38,239 --> 01:44:39,480
not saying no it's not going to be

2440
01:44:39,480 --> 01:44:43,080
conflicted what I'm saying is whatever

2441
01:44:43,080 --> 01:44:45,639
if there's a council proposal that that

2442
01:44:45,639 --> 01:44:48,199
doesn't go with you the proposed that's

2443
01:44:48,199 --> 01:44:51,360
before us then ultimately there's only

2444
01:44:51,360 --> 01:44:53,239
one item that will go and be voted voted

2445
01:44:53,239 --> 01:44:55,679
on the 26 there's only one piece of

2446
01:44:55,679 --> 01:44:58,239
legislation that will go before the

2447
01:44:58,239 --> 01:45:01,679
Council on the 26 it's whatever you will

2448
01:45:01,679 --> 01:45:04,520
agree to to vote on can't have two

2449
01:45:04,520 --> 01:45:06,040
different

2450
01:45:06,040 --> 01:45:09,040
ones it's

2451
01:45:09,040 --> 01:45:11,880
just having information at the public

2452
01:45:11,880 --> 01:45:16,080
hearing you have another you have another uh committee

2453
01:45:16,080 --> 01:45:18,440
cycle after the public hearing and at

2454
01:45:18,440 --> 01:45:20,199
that point you make the final decision

2455
01:45:20,199 --> 01:45:23,280
what you want to vote on on the 12

2456
01:45:23,280 --> 01:45:33,270
the

2457
01:45:33,280 --> 01:45:35,560
[Music]

2458
01:45:35,560 --> 01:45:39,280
26 so my only comment is we're going to

2459
01:45:39,280 --> 01:45:42,840
pass a budget and we can't even put

2460
01:45:42,840 --> 01:45:45,520
something out for

2461
01:45:45,520 --> 01:45:47,920
a public

2462
01:45:47,920 --> 01:45:51,920
hearing oh you're asking that

2463
01:45:51,920 --> 01:45:54,920
question making a statement I mean it

2464
01:45:54,920 --> 01:45:56,599
just seems that you know there's some of

2465
01:45:56,599 --> 01:45:58,239
us that are okay with it and there's

2466
01:45:58,239 --> 01:46:00,199
some of us that aren't and we've been

2467
01:46:00,199 --> 01:46:02,560
beating around the bush for the past 30

2468
01:46:02,560 --> 01:46:06,599
minutes or so so let's just let's just

2469
01:46:06,599 --> 01:46:07,960
put it out there are we going to put it

2470
01:46:07,960 --> 01:46:09,880
out there for public hearing or not and

2471
01:46:09,880 --> 01:46:13,599
who's going to write the new um you know

2472
01:46:13,599 --> 01:46:15,599
request that goes out along with the

2473
01:46:15,599 --> 01:46:18,840
mayor that's going to go to Corporation

2474
01:46:18,840 --> 01:46:21,400
councel so my response to your statement

2475
01:46:21,400 --> 01:46:23,840
will be that what is happen happing is

2476
01:46:23,840 --> 01:46:25,840
us doing our due diligence and making

2477
01:46:25,840 --> 01:46:28,239
sure and I speak to myself is that I

2478
01:46:28,239 --> 01:46:30,040
want to make sure that I use the

2479
01:46:30,040 --> 01:46:31,880
resource that Corporation counsel to

2480
01:46:31,880 --> 01:46:33,199
make sure that I have a clear

2481
01:46:33,199 --> 01:46:34,760
understanding so I'm making inform

2482
01:46:34,760 --> 01:46:37,000
decision I'm not interested in beinga

2483
01:46:37,000 --> 01:46:38,159
around the bush but I want to make sure

2484
01:46:38,159 --> 01:46:39,960
any bring something forth to the public

2485
01:46:39,960 --> 01:46:41,480
has come from an informed space and I

2486
01:46:41,480 --> 01:46:43,239
think that's what the dialogue has

2487
01:46:43,239 --> 01:46:45,599
happened here and that's why now I'm in

2488
01:46:45,599 --> 01:46:48,719
support um of going move for for a

2489
01:46:48,719 --> 01:46:50,599
public hear based on the information

2490
01:46:50,599 --> 01:46:52,040
that that we receive from Corporation

2491
01:46:52,040 --> 01:46:54,080
Council because that informtion was just

2492
01:46:54,080 --> 01:46:55,360
presented to us at this point in

2493
01:46:55,360 --> 01:46:57,880
conversation didn't happen so that's the

2494
01:46:57,880 --> 01:46:59,679
point that that's where our respons but

2495
01:46:59,679 --> 01:47:03,910
where that other piece of legislation

2496
01:47:03,920 --> 01:47:08,040
come the other option to the mayor's

2497
01:47:08,040 --> 01:47:10,599
proposal that could come in your next

2498
01:47:10,599 --> 01:47:12,360
committee meeting I'm sorry you can

2499
01:47:12,360 --> 01:47:14,440
develop that prior committee meeting but

2500
01:47:14,440 --> 01:47:18,000
that would come from the

2501
01:47:18,000 --> 01:47:19,280
[Music]

2502
01:47:19,280 --> 01:47:23,840
councilor put some simple numbers to it

2503
01:47:23,840 --> 01:47:25,719
The Proposal that been put forth by the

2504
01:47:25,719 --> 01:47:28,199
council president can't come to an

2505
01:47:28,199 --> 01:47:30,400
agreement that it would revert to the

2506
01:47:30,400 --> 01:47:32,560
prior budget that everybody in theory

2507
01:47:32,560 --> 01:47:35,119
has agreed to might have multiple years

2508
01:47:35,119 --> 01:47:38,040
of contact this year if you

2509
01:47:38,040 --> 01:47:42,760
take the 2024 operating budget take it

2510
01:47:42,760 --> 01:47:45,000
into 25 using that

2511
01:47:45,000 --> 01:47:47,800
scenario you would then go with a

2512
01:47:47,800 --> 01:47:50,840
minimum of 20% tax

2513
01:47:50,840 --> 01:47:53,040
increase because there's a whole there

2514
01:47:53,040 --> 01:47:55,679
because of the arip and you know each

2515
01:47:55,679 --> 01:47:57,159
budget year there's a lot of

2516
01:47:57,159 --> 01:47:59,440
similarities a lot of uh assumptions

2517
01:47:59,440 --> 01:48:02,080
that we make going forward but there are

2518
01:48:02,080 --> 01:48:04,599
widely variant factors that come into

2519
01:48:04,599 --> 01:48:08,119
play and you have to rely on the staff

2520
01:48:08,119 --> 01:48:10,239
we given the opportunity to serve

2521
01:48:10,239 --> 01:48:12,440
leadership roles in the community and

2522
01:48:12,440 --> 01:48:14,400
the public trusts us to do the right

2523
01:48:14,400 --> 01:48:16,360
thing right you can't do some of these

2524
01:48:16,360 --> 01:48:19,800
things that are arbitrary and without

2525
01:48:19,800 --> 01:48:21,639
really thought out what the process and

2526
01:48:21,639 --> 01:48:24,199
the impact is

2527
01:48:24,199 --> 01:48:27,960
so again some of those things are wiely

2528
01:48:27,960 --> 01:48:30,750
the truth I'm sorry

2529
01:48:30,760 --> 01:48:34,080
Mr no absolutely no I'll put my hand up

2530
01:48:34,080 --> 01:48:36,880
like this thank you

2531
01:48:36,880 --> 01:48:38,840
so I just want to make sure I'm not

2532
01:48:38,840 --> 01:48:41,040
overlooking your future Mone share so to

2533
01:48:41,040 --> 01:48:42,760
the mayor point if we were to do that

2534
01:48:42,760 --> 01:48:44,679
with um well number one I think we to

2535
01:48:44,679 --> 01:48:46,639
start with fact understanding that this

2536
01:48:46,639 --> 01:48:48,679
legislation won't impact this budget

2537
01:48:48,679 --> 01:48:50,960
year so any numbers that are kind of

2538
01:48:50,960 --> 01:48:53,360
drawn based on this budget year really

2539
01:48:53,360 --> 01:48:55,320
would be relevant because no matter

2540
01:48:55,320 --> 01:48:56,800
which way this happens it's not going to

2541
01:48:56,800 --> 01:48:59,280
impact our upcoming budget here again so

2542
01:48:59,280 --> 01:49:00,960
we be looking forward but I do

2543
01:49:00,960 --> 01:49:04,440
appreciate you know that the opinion of

2544
01:49:04,440 --> 01:49:06,599
like how things can be Wily vared so I

2545
01:49:06,599 --> 01:49:10,080
guess my again the question would be

2546
01:49:10,080 --> 01:49:13,360
um what other uh what we should start

2547
01:49:13,360 --> 01:49:15,320
thinking about what are the other main

2548
01:49:15,320 --> 01:49:17,480
pieces of the formula that we might want

2549
01:49:17,480 --> 01:49:21,280
to consider putting in to say it can

2550
01:49:21,280 --> 01:49:23,520
look like this based on um just the

2551
01:49:23,520 --> 01:49:27,990
points that you

2552
01:49:28,000 --> 01:49:30,560
raing like like as I said before we were

2553
01:49:30,560 --> 01:49:32,880
using examples from other municipalities

2554
01:49:32,880 --> 01:49:35,320
and I was kind of surprised to read that

2555
01:49:35,320 --> 01:49:36,920
those municipalities have a much longer

2556
01:49:36,920 --> 01:49:38,719
time frame to deliberate over the budet

2557
01:49:38,719 --> 01:49:40,960
two months as opposed to one so I think

2558
01:49:40,960 --> 01:49:42,440
that's a consideration get more time for

2559
01:49:42,440 --> 01:49:44,400
conversation I heard the meeting every

2560
01:49:44,400 --> 01:49:46,760
night that's probably not conceivable

2561
01:49:46,760 --> 01:49:48,520
for everyone to just meet every single

2562
01:49:48,520 --> 01:49:50,040
night based on our other

2563
01:49:50,040 --> 01:49:52,080
responsibilities um but given a longer

2564
01:49:52,080 --> 01:49:53,159
time frame

2565
01:49:53,159 --> 01:49:55,400
um that's fine and the mayor stated that

2566
01:49:55,400 --> 01:49:56,920
you know that would be that just you

2567
01:49:56,920 --> 01:49:59,239
know be flawed uh to go back to the

2568
01:49:59,239 --> 01:50:02,040
other budget but in case I hadn't stated

2569
01:50:02,040 --> 01:50:03,880
it if we would consider like if there's

2570
01:50:03,880 --> 01:50:05,560
salary increases and those basic

2571
01:50:05,560 --> 01:50:07,159
increases then we could just we could

2572
01:50:07,159 --> 01:50:09,080
have those those things happen we could

2573
01:50:09,080 --> 01:50:11,960
write that into it um but I have to you

2574
01:50:11,960 --> 01:50:14,360
know how many times I can say I just

2575
01:50:14,360 --> 01:50:18,159
don't believe that just refering just

2576
01:50:18,159 --> 01:50:20,000
reverting back to the because we can't

2577
01:50:20,000 --> 01:50:21,880
agree to a budget reverting back to the

2578
01:50:21,880 --> 01:50:25,159
Amer budget I don't think that that is

2579
01:50:25,159 --> 01:50:27,440
the best way to move forward in terms of

2580
01:50:27,440 --> 01:50:29,800
a council working together to come up

2581
01:50:29,800 --> 01:50:32,599
with a a budget and there just if it's

2582
01:50:32,599 --> 01:50:34,760
not if the mayor is saying that you

2583
01:50:34,760 --> 01:50:39,920
cannot um take away his veto power then there has and and I'm saying that I

2584
01:50:39,920 --> 01:50:42,960
don't feel like 100% of like if the

2585
01:50:42,960 --> 01:50:45,560
clock runs down becomes budget then

2586
01:50:45,560 --> 01:50:47,119
somewhere in the middle then we should

2587
01:50:47,119 --> 01:50:48,599
be able to come to a place that we can

2588
01:50:48,599 --> 01:50:50,679
come to an agreement where this is what

2589
01:50:50,679 --> 01:50:52,840
it is it's not all of this it's not all

2590
01:50:52,840 --> 01:50:54,440
that and once again it sort of brings us

2591
01:50:54,440 --> 01:50:56,119
back to the whole deliberation around

2592
01:50:56,119 --> 01:50:57,360
like like when we deliberating on the

2593
01:50:57,360 --> 01:50:59,000
budget everybody can't have everything

2594
01:50:59,000 --> 01:51:01,639
they're asking for but where can we come

2595
01:51:01,639 --> 01:51:04,400
to a happy medium that says okay we're

2596
01:51:04,400 --> 01:51:06,520
both satisfied with this and this is how

2597
01:51:06,520 --> 01:51:07,960
we can move forward and I think that's

2598
01:51:07,960 --> 01:51:09,760
where we need to get regarding this

2599
01:51:09,760 --> 01:51:11,199
piece of legislation that we move

2600
01:51:11,199 --> 01:51:15,750
forward with to present to the

2601
01:51:15,760 --> 01:51:18,800
voters president again the opposite of

2602
01:51:18,800 --> 01:51:21,280
what's being presented would be a SLE if

2603
01:51:21,280 --> 01:51:22,960
we can't get into that point of

2604
01:51:22,960 --> 01:51:26,520
agreement and whatever the city council

2605
01:51:26,520 --> 01:51:29,719
says and I think that what we like to I

2606
01:51:29,719 --> 01:51:31,320
think that there's another formula here

2607
01:51:31,320 --> 01:51:34,360
and I I definitely as a chair this

2608
01:51:34,360 --> 01:51:36,599
community I can definitely present some

2609
01:51:36,599 --> 01:51:39,719
thoughts I welcome on my colle input on

2610
01:51:39,719 --> 01:51:41,560
there um and I will definitely present

2611
01:51:41,560 --> 01:51:43,280
some thoughts and I think that we can

2612
01:51:43,280 --> 01:51:46,400
come to a more reasonable compromise I

2613
01:51:46,400 --> 01:51:47,599
believe maybe not being overly

2614
01:51:47,599 --> 01:51:49,639
optimistic I've seen it happen before

2615
01:51:49,639 --> 01:51:51,920
and with the mayor's office being

2616
01:51:51,920 --> 01:51:53,679
talking something sessions as council

2617
01:51:53,679 --> 01:51:55,440
members and we got it there I think we

2618
01:51:55,440 --> 01:51:56,599
can do it

2619
01:51:56,599 --> 01:52:01,239
again Mr P so if um that happened at our

2620
01:52:01,239 --> 01:52:03,119
August 5th meeting are we still able to

2621
01:52:03,119 --> 01:52:04,719
just move forward right now with calling

2622
01:52:04,719 --> 01:52:06,599
for a public hearing on the 12th and

2623
01:52:06,599 --> 01:52:09,000
then on the 5th we would know what we

2624
01:52:09,000 --> 01:52:10,960
would be talking about public hearing

2625
01:52:10,960 --> 01:52:14,119
correct I this is just you know as a

2626
01:52:14,119 --> 01:52:15,840
marker you're putting that public

2627
01:52:15,840 --> 01:52:18,400
hearing down otherwise we would have

2628
01:52:18,400 --> 01:52:22,830
to the public

2629
01:52:22,840 --> 01:52:29,750
this budget you'll miss this vote this

2630
01:52:29,760 --> 01:52:32,760
election ballot we missed the ballot

2631
01:52:32,760 --> 01:52:36,040
this year oh so we'd push it it would be

2632
01:52:36,040 --> 01:52:37,520
then you'd have to talk about this next

2633
01:52:37,520 --> 01:52:40,310
year for the

2634
01:52:40,320 --> 01:52:43,639
20126 um it would affect the 2026 budget

2635
01:52:43,639 --> 01:52:48,920
no yes yes okay um but right now that

2636
01:52:48,920 --> 01:52:51,560
committee which I'm not on needs to

2637
01:52:51,560 --> 01:52:53,960
decide whether we going to have a public

2638
01:52:53,960 --> 01:52:56,480
hearing on the 12th we still have the

2639
01:52:56,480 --> 01:53:02,189
fifth to be able to look at other

2640
01:53:02,199 --> 01:53:04,320
Alternatives so when we

2641
01:53:04,320 --> 01:53:07,199
start we started this conversation Mr M

2642
01:53:07,199 --> 01:53:09,000
was talking about

2643
01:53:09,000 --> 01:53:13,719
entire um Charter Amendment and so I'm

2644
01:53:13,719 --> 01:53:17,440
guessing I'm asking where you are with

2645
01:53:17,440 --> 01:53:21,440
that in Char of the Char Commission in

2646
01:53:21,440 --> 01:53:32,440
charge of this or trying to open it's a long appro but I I I think it's it's du and I think uh we should U

2647
01:53:32,440 --> 01:53:36,599
set up a a charter revise commission to

2648
01:53:36,599 --> 01:53:39,480
look at the charter to come up a

2649
01:53:39,480 --> 01:53:41,679
recommendation that is my

2650
01:53:41,679 --> 01:53:44,440
suggestion I'm going to stick to that

2651
01:53:44,440 --> 01:53:46,880
okay so so you want to support um the

2652
01:53:46,880 --> 01:53:54,669
public hearing on this one agenda I

2653
01:53:54,679 --> 01:53:56,440
let me ask you this then um are you

2654
01:53:56,440 --> 01:53:58,040
supporting what the mayor's putting

2655
01:53:58,040 --> 01:54:00,480
forward period like even if we're

2656
01:54:00,480 --> 01:54:03,360
looking at revising the entire

2657
01:54:03,360 --> 01:54:06,560
thing or or do you agree with this

2658
01:54:06,560 --> 01:54:09,280
concept that that the the um if we don't

2659
01:54:09,280 --> 01:54:11,840
pass a budget that it reverts to the

2660
01:54:11,840 --> 01:54:14,800
budget that's been put

2661
01:54:14,800 --> 01:54:17,880
forth all I have got come to that

2662
01:54:17,880 --> 01:54:21,760
conclusion I am I think that I think I'm

2663
01:54:21,760 --> 01:54:24,480
pass my opinion just like everybody else

2664
01:54:24,480 --> 01:54:28,360
that we should uh consider this the Char

2665
01:54:28,360 --> 01:54:30,639
rision commission to look at that and to

2666
01:54:30,639 --> 01:54:33,239
look at that component to in the budget

2667
01:54:33,239 --> 01:54:35,480
do we go with the refer back to the

2668
01:54:35,480 --> 01:54:37,520
previous year or do we go with the May's

2669
01:54:37,520 --> 01:54:40,199
proposed budget and that will depend on

2670
01:54:40,199 --> 01:54:42,280
the commission recommendation to us at

2671
01:54:42,280 --> 01:54:46,350
that

2672
01:54:46,360 --> 01:54:50,360
time I have to say answer it's up to you

2673
01:54:50,360 --> 01:54:52,520
so my my one area of concern is that

2674
01:54:52,520 --> 01:54:54,679
fact that we didn't make a commitment

2675
01:54:54,679 --> 01:54:56,840
that we would take a look at

2676
01:54:56,840 --> 01:54:59,440
this and that you know that we would

2677
01:54:59,440 --> 01:55:02,119
want to do that

2678
01:55:02,119 --> 01:55:06,520
no so that that's my concern okay so if

2679
01:55:06,520 --> 01:55:08,480
I were so if we were to look at this

2680
01:55:08,480 --> 01:55:10,280
guys moving forward with this public

2681
01:55:10,280 --> 01:55:13,560
hearing as well as um taking the

2682
01:55:13,560 --> 01:55:15,599
necessary steps to form uh the

2683
01:55:15,599 --> 01:55:17,000
commission the charter commission would

2684
01:55:17,000 --> 01:55:18,760
that be agreeable to you at this point

2685
01:55:18,760 --> 01:55:22,159
to where we can say well you know we can

2686
01:55:22,159 --> 01:55:24,040
call called public hearing based on the

2687
01:55:24,040 --> 01:55:25,320
information that's been provided by

2688
01:55:25,320 --> 01:55:28,199
Corporation Council not not just

2689
01:55:28,199 --> 01:55:31,000
necessarily on to been proposed and then

2690
01:55:31,000 --> 01:55:34,180
for the commission that would be a

2691
01:55:34,180 --> 01:55:37,040
[Applause]

2692
01:55:37,040 --> 01:55:39,320
position I'm not sure that Charter

2693
01:55:39,320 --> 01:55:40,760
commission may be the way that you

2694
01:55:40,760 --> 01:55:42,360
necessarily want to go because the

2695
01:55:42,360 --> 01:55:46,280
charter commission um the mayor appoints

2696
01:55:46,280 --> 01:55:49,079
the entire Charter commission so we we

2697
01:55:49,079 --> 01:55:50,679
have no input in there's other ways to

2698
01:55:50,679 --> 01:55:52,960
approach this so with the with the

2699
01:55:52,960 --> 01:55:56,280
commission we have no we have no

2700
01:55:56,280 --> 01:56:00,280
set again I'm sorry I have to say I

2701
01:56:00,280 --> 01:56:01,920
think we have to start getting to a

2702
01:56:01,920 --> 01:56:04,040
point where we respect each other where

2703
01:56:04,040 --> 01:56:06,440
we try to have some level of trust where

2704
01:56:06,440 --> 01:56:08,079
we try to better our

2705
01:56:08,079 --> 01:56:10,719
communication um both among ourselves

2706
01:56:10,719 --> 01:56:14,880
and also with the mayor so I think that

2707
01:56:14,880 --> 01:56:16,880
hopefully first of all I also think it's

2708
01:56:16,880 --> 01:56:18,800
two separate things you got to decide

2709
01:56:18,800 --> 01:56:20,800
your your committee has to decide

2710
01:56:20,800 --> 01:56:22,440
whether we're going to do this public he

2711
01:56:22,440 --> 01:56:26,599
12 for this one piece and whether we

2712
01:56:26,599 --> 01:56:28,440
would like the mayor to appoint a

2713
01:56:28,440 --> 01:56:30,320
commission that would look at the

2714
01:56:30,320 --> 01:56:33,560
overall um Charter which is going to be

2715
01:56:33,560 --> 01:56:35,960
a longer process trust me that's any of

2716
01:56:35,960 --> 01:56:37,320
us that have ever done anything like

2717
01:56:37,320 --> 01:56:40,480
this right so so that's that's the thing

2718
01:56:40,480 --> 01:56:43,960
but I think underlying all of this is

2719
01:56:43,960 --> 01:56:46,719
this idea that of of trust that we need

2720
01:56:46,719 --> 01:56:49,679
to continue working on so I I mean I

2721
01:56:49,679 --> 01:56:53,079
think having public hearing

2722
01:56:53,079 --> 01:56:55,920
um is I think we all would like to get

2723
01:56:55,920 --> 01:56:59,159
the uh community's input on on this one

2724
01:56:59,159 --> 01:57:01,320
way or the other but again it's just if

2725
01:57:01,320 --> 01:57:03,079
you're not going to do it then it's just

2726
01:57:03,079 --> 01:57:05,719
going to push forward one more year um

2727
01:57:05,719 --> 01:57:07,960
so you know that's that's the simple

2728
01:57:07,960 --> 01:57:11,280
thing that this subcommittee has to um

2729
01:57:11,280 --> 01:57:15,280
talk about right now and make a

2730
01:57:15,280 --> 01:57:20,760
decision I'm pretty clear as to what what decisions we're making so um

2731
01:57:20,760 --> 01:57:23,560
again I think they're using words like

2732
01:57:23,560 --> 01:57:26,159
um trust and respect and I think that

2733
01:57:26,159 --> 01:57:27,840
that's far I can speak myself personally

2734
01:57:27,840 --> 01:57:31,000
I haven't demonstrated any uh lack of

2735
01:57:31,000 --> 01:57:32,719
trust in an individual I speaking more

2736
01:57:32,719 --> 01:57:35,040
to the process and I certainly have Dem

2737
01:57:35,040 --> 01:57:38,000
disrespect so it's just really been so

2738
01:57:38,000 --> 01:57:40,320
those things are said I I agree with I'm

2739
01:57:40,320 --> 01:57:42,480
not I'm not saying that anyone just just

2740
01:57:42,480 --> 01:57:44,880
for Clear St right right just for for

2741
01:57:44,880 --> 01:57:46,400
clearity we want to make sure that that

2742
01:57:46,400 --> 01:57:48,280
that's not um the spirit in which I'm

2743
01:57:48,280 --> 01:57:49,599
operating from and I haven't seen that

2744
01:57:49,599 --> 01:57:51,239
at the table this far I think that's

2745
01:57:51,239 --> 01:57:52,719
just something that should do

2746
01:57:52,719 --> 01:57:55,960
Mr M know I'm saying um all this we're

2747
01:57:55,960 --> 01:57:57,719
having here can go away if we come to

2748
01:57:57,719 --> 01:58:00,880
the table we can discuss

2749
01:58:00,880 --> 01:58:03,360
open-mindedly and we can have a budget

2750
01:58:03,360 --> 01:58:04,920
we don't need all this we can have a

2751
01:58:04,920 --> 01:58:06,679
budget if we come to the table ready to

2752
01:58:06,679 --> 01:58:09,679
work we can deliver a budget we all need

2753
01:58:09,679 --> 01:58:12,920
to compromise please there's no need for

2754
01:58:12,920 --> 01:58:16,159
this let us go into this serious budget

2755
01:58:16,159 --> 01:58:18,239
we have a different Council last year

2756
01:58:18,239 --> 01:58:20,520
unfortunately there were a lot of turmo

2757
01:58:20,520 --> 01:58:22,719
within ourselves

2758
01:58:22,719 --> 01:58:25,880
this year we are working better M thanks

2759
01:58:25,880 --> 01:58:27,400
to all of us are working together and

2760
01:58:27,400 --> 01:58:29,760
we're respecting each other and that is

2761
01:58:29,760 --> 01:58:31,960
a big big plus for us at this Council

2762
01:58:31,960 --> 01:58:34,719
here we're in 7 months and look at the

2763
01:58:34,719 --> 01:58:36,320
change that we made from last year to

2764
01:58:36,320 --> 01:58:38,520
now so I think that we just need to

2765
01:58:38,520 --> 01:58:41,880
approach this budget open communication

2766
01:58:41,880 --> 01:58:45,239
ready to be flexible and calling from

2767
01:58:45,239 --> 01:58:49,280
the president mayor council let's have

2768
01:58:49,280 --> 01:58:51,400
open dialog going into this budget and

2769
01:58:51,400 --> 01:58:52,560
we don't need this

2770
01:58:52,560 --> 01:58:54,159
we're going to have a budget that is

2771
01:58:54,159 --> 01:58:56,440
workable for

2772
01:58:56,440 --> 01:58:59,239
everyone and we can make that

2773
01:58:59,239 --> 01:59:03,119
happen point and whether we pass this time or not it's not going to be

2774
01:59:03,119 --> 01:59:04,599
this year's budget what you're saying is

2775
01:59:04,599 --> 01:59:07,920
what we have to do um because whe whe we

2776
01:59:07,920 --> 01:59:10,679
do this isue or not we we can set an

2777
01:59:10,679 --> 01:59:12,199
example this year to say what happened

2778
01:59:12,199 --> 01:59:14,360
last year we all can make a commitment

2779
01:59:14,360 --> 01:59:16,800
and say let's not let's not make that

2780
01:59:16,800 --> 01:59:20,040
happen again but we need in order to do

2781
01:59:20,040 --> 01:59:22,560
that we need everyone to come to the

2782
01:59:22,560 --> 01:59:25,199
table to ready to discuss with an open

2783
01:59:25,199 --> 01:59:27,360
mind and ready to be flexible and ready

2784
01:59:27,360 --> 01:59:29,560
to compromise and move forward that's

2785
01:59:29,560 --> 01:59:31,880
the only way we can achieve I agree I

2786
01:59:31,880 --> 01:59:33,000
think we demonstrate things for the

2787
01:59:33,000 --> 01:59:34,560
people in this demonstrate the capacity

2788
01:59:34,560 --> 01:59:36,560
to do that thus far and I have faith in

2789
01:59:36,560 --> 01:59:38,280
our full faith in our ability to do that

2790
01:59:38,280 --> 01:59:40,520
moving forward um I would just add that

2791
01:59:40,520 --> 01:59:43,239
again this is uh this particular uh

2792
01:59:43,239 --> 01:59:44,880
piece of legislation isn't necessar

2793
01:59:44,880 --> 01:59:47,239
about what we do this year or the

2794
01:59:47,239 --> 01:59:48,800
following year but again it's speak

2795
01:59:48,800 --> 01:59:50,719
supported to the qu checks and balances

2796
01:59:50,719 --> 01:59:52,560
of how how we operate at the city

2797
01:59:52,560 --> 01:59:54,440
government I gu next year though it

2798
01:59:54,440 --> 01:59:56,679
would be it would be for 2025 right I'm

2799
01:59:56,679 --> 01:59:58,280
saying but it wouldn't

2800
01:59:58,280 --> 02:00:01,159
speak the the way I'm making my decision

2801
02:00:01,159 --> 02:00:04,400
I'm part based on just what happened

2802
02:00:04,400 --> 02:00:06,599
last year because we don't know what the

2803
02:00:06,599 --> 02:00:09,239
future has more about checks and

2804
02:00:09,239 --> 02:00:11,599
balances and that's where I'm trying to

2805
02:00:11,599 --> 02:00:14,480
I'm trying toist checks and balances no

2806
02:00:14,480 --> 02:00:16,760
matter who and that's so I think at this

2807
02:00:16,760 --> 02:00:19,470
point you

2808
02:00:19,480 --> 02:00:21,719
know so actually this this question is

2809
02:00:21,719 --> 02:00:23,320
for the May so mayor are you open to

2810
02:00:23,320 --> 02:00:25,060
anything other than what you've

2811
02:00:25,060 --> 02:00:27,920
[Music]

2812
02:00:27,920 --> 02:00:30,679
proposed of course I'm open to stuff but

2813
02:00:30,679 --> 02:00:32,480
we made the commitment there was no

2814
02:00:32,480 --> 02:00:34,199
action by the city

2815
02:00:34,199 --> 02:00:37,040
council the timeline was running so I

2816
02:00:37,040 --> 02:00:39,880
put forth a proposal which I think

2817
02:00:39,880 --> 02:00:42,360
addresses the needs to the community as

2818
02:00:42,360 --> 02:00:45,719
a whole in the budget process and you

2819
02:00:45,719 --> 02:00:48,360
are locking into it because I think in

2820
02:00:48,360 --> 02:00:50,440
sole remnants of the Democratic primary

2821
02:00:50,440 --> 02:00:52,920
for mayor last year where you don't want

2822
02:00:52,920 --> 02:00:55,599
the mayor which happens to be me to have

2823
02:00:55,599 --> 02:00:58,199
some say in it that you perceive to be

2824
02:00:58,199 --> 02:01:00,320
more

2825
02:01:00,320 --> 02:01:03,760
uh influential and it should be well let

2826
02:01:03,760 --> 02:01:05,920
me just um correct you there first and

2827
02:01:05,920 --> 02:01:07,719
foremost I've never brought the primary

2828
02:01:07,719 --> 02:01:10,280
however you have and you and your team

2829
02:01:10,280 --> 02:01:12,400
said some very ugly things and including

2830
02:01:12,400 --> 02:01:14,440
things and talked about myce mother but

2831
02:01:14,440 --> 02:01:16,040
I'm not holding that against you I think

2832
02:01:16,040 --> 02:01:18,400
I put that behind me in addition to that

2833
02:01:18,400 --> 02:01:19,800
mayor since we really want to talk about

2834
02:01:19,800 --> 02:01:21,239
this when I first became council

2835
02:01:21,239 --> 02:01:23,280
president I made it a point of every

2836
02:01:23,280 --> 02:01:25,679
single week almost coming to your office

2837
02:01:25,679 --> 02:01:27,480
to say let's have a conversation that

2838
02:01:27,480 --> 02:01:29,440
did not that was not reciprocal I was

2839
02:01:29,440 --> 02:01:31,560
consistently you rarely reach out to me

2840
02:01:31,560 --> 02:01:33,360
unless you had um won a piece of

2841
02:01:33,360 --> 02:01:36,639
legislation so um I'm not that person

2842
02:01:36,639 --> 02:01:38,320
things happen this is politics so I

2843
02:01:38,320 --> 02:01:39,920
don't have anything against you

2844
02:01:39,920 --> 02:01:42,239
personally I ran against you that

2845
02:01:42,239 --> 02:01:44,000
happens people have run against me

2846
02:01:44,000 --> 02:01:45,560
you've recruited people to run against

2847
02:01:45,560 --> 02:01:47,679
me all of those things are happening yet

2848
02:01:47,679 --> 02:01:49,239
I'm still here and I'm not holding that

2849
02:01:49,239 --> 02:01:51,360
against you so it's it's not about the

2850
02:01:51,360 --> 02:01:53,000
Democratic and I'm sorry that you even

2851
02:01:53,000 --> 02:01:54,960
brought that up because that was never

2852
02:01:54,960 --> 02:01:56,920
in my mind but clearly it's it's in

2853
02:01:56,920 --> 02:02:00,000
yours and so in in terms of the council

2854
02:02:00,000 --> 02:02:01,599
members I've reached out to council

2855
02:02:01,599 --> 02:02:03,560
members and we've had meetings and we've

2856
02:02:03,560 --> 02:02:06,199
had trainings together so me working

2857
02:02:06,199 --> 02:02:07,880
hard to make sure this Council worked

2858
02:02:07,880 --> 02:02:10,360
together is something once now that it's

2859
02:02:10,360 --> 02:02:11,800
a new and different Council because

2860
02:02:11,800 --> 02:02:14,320
let's just be honest there was a lot of

2861
02:02:14,320 --> 02:02:16,800
contention with a former council member

2862
02:02:16,800 --> 02:02:18,880
so it's not about fact there's remnants

2863
02:02:18,880 --> 02:02:20,840
of a primary it's not about that but it

2864
02:02:20,840 --> 02:02:23,280
is about that the council has a

2865
02:02:23,280 --> 02:02:26,440
responsibility is the budget and for me

2866
02:02:26,440 --> 02:02:28,639
to say that we automatically just revert

2867
02:02:28,639 --> 02:02:30,119
back to to to the budget that's

2868
02:02:30,119 --> 02:02:32,480
presented by the mayor does not mean

2869
02:02:32,480 --> 02:02:35,000
that the council has has had their done

2870
02:02:35,000 --> 02:02:37,880
what they should do in responsibility so

2871
02:02:37,880 --> 02:02:39,520
when when I talk about this it's not

2872
02:02:39,520 --> 02:02:41,880
about Gary mcth I'll go back to I

2873
02:02:41,880 --> 02:02:44,360
believe it's just ineffective leadership

2874
02:02:44,360 --> 02:02:46,679
that for 50 years we've been able to

2875
02:02:46,679 --> 02:02:50,199
work out a budget last year we did me

2876
02:02:50,199 --> 02:02:52,639
and you can't even move forward what is

2877
02:02:52,639 --> 02:02:54,560
simple legislation now that's fairly

2878
02:02:54,560 --> 02:02:57,199
simple and straightforward to clear up

2879
02:02:57,199 --> 02:02:59,400
some ambiguity that exists within the

2880
02:02:59,400 --> 02:03:02,199
chart I guess I would I would just offer

2881
02:03:02,199 --> 02:03:04,599
that to disagree isn't a isn't a

2882
02:03:04,599 --> 02:03:07,639
demonstration of incompetence leadership

2883
02:03:07,639 --> 02:03:10,599
Mr respect I think that my conversations

2884
02:03:10,599 --> 02:03:13,199
that I have with you again I will

2885
02:03:13,199 --> 02:03:14,520
highlight the fact that you were able to

2886
02:03:14,520 --> 02:03:16,119
make some concessions to move forward

2887
02:03:16,119 --> 02:03:17,400
which you thought was in the best

2888
02:03:17,400 --> 02:03:19,480
interest of the city and I think that

2889
02:03:19,480 --> 02:03:22,440
President Porterfield um as from that

2890
02:03:22,440 --> 02:03:24,119
same place I'm sure that there are some

2891
02:03:24,119 --> 02:03:26,719
things that um have happened that have

2892
02:03:26,719 --> 02:03:28,800
uh less left of bad taste in people's

2893
02:03:28,800 --> 02:03:30,159
mouths but I don't think that that is

2894
02:03:30,159 --> 02:03:32,679
going to um compromise our ability to do

2895
02:03:32,679 --> 02:03:37,800
our job here um and again my my um

2896
02:03:37,800 --> 02:03:39,639
disagreement is really more along the

2897
02:03:39,639 --> 02:03:41,360
lines of the checks and balances of how

2898
02:03:41,360 --> 02:03:46,079
we operate has zero to do um with uh any

2899
02:03:46,079 --> 02:03:48,639
other underlying things and like I said

2900
02:03:48,639 --> 02:03:49,960
in fact in this conversation we

2901
02:03:49,960 --> 02:03:52,199
highlighted multiple times I up through

2902
02:03:52,199 --> 02:03:56,360
conversations between we were able to um both make some concessions and get

2903
02:03:56,360 --> 02:03:57,760
things moving forward so that's the case

2904
02:03:57,760 --> 02:04:01,880
that we're operating is is there a p

2905
02:04:01,880 --> 02:04:04,119
proposal well the mayor The Proposal I

2906
02:04:04,119 --> 02:04:06,400
had that what my proposal was that if we

2907
02:04:06,400 --> 02:04:07,800
pass the budget then the mayor could not

2908
02:04:07,800 --> 02:04:10,000
beo our budget the mayor's saying that

2909
02:04:10,000 --> 02:04:12,280
that's not um

2910
02:04:12,280 --> 02:04:15,040
acceptable uh so for

2911
02:04:15,040 --> 02:04:17,800
me so at this point I we'll just get

2912
02:04:17,800 --> 02:04:19,520
down to this

2913
02:04:19,520 --> 02:04:24,599
is around are we accept the motion um

2914
02:04:24,599 --> 02:04:30,069
around calling for a public hearing

2915
02:04:30,079 --> 02:04:33,400
um public hearing um understanding that

2916
02:04:33,400 --> 02:04:36,440
I will be and as the chair this

2917
02:04:36,440 --> 02:04:39,280
committee I will be presenting on some

2918
02:04:39,280 --> 02:04:41,599
um May some alternative language for

2919
02:04:41,599 --> 02:04:44,880
consideration of the council um and so I

2920
02:04:44,880 --> 02:04:46,880
accept motion to

2921
02:04:46,880 --> 02:05:11,310
support public

2922
02:05:11,320 --> 02:05:13,920
so I have motions

2923
02:05:13,920 --> 02:05:16,920
okay you feel so next item on government

2924
02:05:16,920 --> 02:05:19,920
operation is a reminder renaming the

2925
02:05:19,920 --> 02:05:23,800
street of be Village Lane Luigi Lane um

2926
02:05:23,800 --> 02:05:25,520
community members and family members

2927
02:05:25,520 --> 02:05:28,639
came uh to our previous uh council

2928
02:05:28,639 --> 02:05:31,559
meeting and um committee meeting and

2929
02:05:31,559 --> 02:05:33,520
really highlighted the importance of

2930
02:05:33,520 --> 02:05:35,840
that happy to be a part of that want

2931
02:05:35,840 --> 02:05:37,320
everybody know that the public hearing

2932
02:05:37,320 --> 02:05:39,119
will be on

2933
02:05:39,119 --> 02:05:42,920
7:22 Mr chairman the council so wishes

2934
02:05:42,920 --> 02:05:44,880
they can put that unanimous consent even

2935
02:05:44,880 --> 02:05:46,880
know it's time for a Regal consideration

2936
02:05:46,880 --> 02:05:51,199
pass that that unanimous consent excuse

2937
02:05:51,199 --> 02:05:52,840
me you want you said it can go on for

2938
02:05:52,840 --> 02:05:54,840
unanimous cons yes so you can pass the

2939
02:05:54,840 --> 02:05:56,840
ordinance the same night public hearing

2940
02:05:56,840 --> 02:05:58,239
there's even though it's not for

2941
02:05:58,239 --> 02:06:00,520
original consideration you can wave that

2942
02:06:00,520 --> 02:06:03,360
if you so desire pass have the public

2943
02:06:03,360 --> 02:06:05,440
hearing and pass the so we're going back

2944
02:06:05,440 --> 02:06:07,599
to number one yeah yeah but that but

2945
02:06:07,599 --> 02:06:09,320
that doesn't require any action right

2946
02:06:09,320 --> 02:06:14,079
now no no so you're say no no you're all done

2947
02:06:14,079 --> 02:06:15,599
I'm just saying if you want to I'm just

2948
02:06:15,599 --> 02:06:18,280
bring it to your attention you want to

2949
02:06:18,280 --> 02:06:22,079
pass if we can come to an agreement that

2950
02:06:22,079 --> 02:06:27,960
we all right

2951
02:06:27,960 --> 02:06:29,960
that thank

2952
02:06:29,960 --> 02:06:33,559
you yes I than to thank Mr B especially

2953
02:06:33,559 --> 02:06:35,559
Mr Ren Schneider for the beautiful

2954
02:06:35,559 --> 02:06:38,000
article and look is that thank you

2955
02:06:38,000 --> 02:06:40,719
picking up on that putting the article

2956
02:06:40,719 --> 02:06:48,199
out yes okay I have no other items wait was was Mr O'Brien talking about

2957
02:06:48,199 --> 02:06:53,880
that it number two two no he he he was

2958
02:06:53,880 --> 02:06:55,840
reminding us that for item number one

2959
02:06:55,840 --> 02:06:57,719
that we could that that we had that

2960
02:06:57,719 --> 02:06:59,239
there was so some mechanisms to move

2961
02:06:59,239 --> 02:07:06,709
forward such as able to for the for the

2962
02:07:06,719 --> 02:07:10,079
Luigi he wasn't talking about no no I'm

2963
02:07:10,079 --> 02:07:12,639
sorry I'm I'm

2964
02:07:12,639 --> 02:07:14,719
sorry I thought you talking about Luigi

2965
02:07:14,719 --> 02:07:17,159
Lane that's what I'm talking sent to put

2966
02:07:17,159 --> 02:07:18,599
that ordinance

2967
02:07:18,599 --> 02:07:22,480
on okay call for the public hearing

2968
02:07:22,480 --> 02:07:24,880
the no actually actually the public

2969
02:07:24,880 --> 02:07:26,360
hearing you already

2970
02:07:26,360 --> 02:07:29,159
passed right so you've already passed it

2971
02:07:29,159 --> 02:07:32,119
so you can vote on that legislation it

2972
02:07:32,119 --> 02:07:34,280
will yes

2973
02:07:34,280 --> 02:07:37,040
7 Public heing public hearing is coming

2974
02:07:37,040 --> 02:07:40,559
up yes so you can vote on it that corre

2975
02:07:40,559 --> 02:07:43,239
s still no action needed right

2976
02:07:43,239 --> 02:07:46,639
now correct okay so with that said I

2977
02:07:46,639 --> 02:07:49,280
accept motion to government

2978
02:07:49,280 --> 02:07:53,559
operations second in favor hi thank you

2979
02:07:53,559 --> 02:07:54,760
I would like to call the finance

2980
02:07:54,760 --> 02:07:56,760
committee to order and the first item is

2981
02:07:56,760 --> 02:08:00,760
the 2025 annual action plan allocation

2982
02:08:00,760 --> 02:08:04,079
the public hearing is next Monday 700

2983
02:08:04,079 --> 02:08:05,599
p.m.

2984
02:08:05,599 --> 02:08:08,360
29 Mr Cara do you have any update for us

2985
02:08:08,360 --> 02:08:10,639
or we just go through the motion of

2986
02:08:10,639 --> 02:08:12,400
having this public hearing and then you

2987
02:08:12,400 --> 02:08:15,760
will update us have time okay the next

2988
02:08:15,760 --> 02:08:17,360
item is authorize the commission of

2989
02:08:17,360 --> 02:08:19,679
finance and deposit for the Consolidated

2990
02:08:19,679 --> 02:08:21,960
local Street and Highway Improvement

2991
02:08:21,960 --> 02:08:25,040
program Mr

2992
02:08:25,040 --> 02:08:29,510
[Music]

2993
02:08:29,520 --> 02:08:32,040
wallet every year in the state budget

2994
02:08:32,040 --> 02:08:35,199
the state sets aside um State funding

2995
02:08:35,199 --> 02:08:37,880
for Highway Improvement program uh we

2996
02:08:37,880 --> 02:08:39,800
usually get a letter we did not get a

2997
02:08:39,800 --> 02:08:42,320
letter this year but we did print out

2998
02:08:42,320 --> 02:08:44,639
the allocations out of the New York

2999
02:08:44,639 --> 02:08:46,800
State DOT budget and highlighted there

3000
02:08:46,800 --> 02:08:48,719
it is uh the annual allocations are

3001
02:08:48,719 --> 02:08:50,599
chips program extreme winter recovery

3002
02:08:50,599 --> 02:08:53,119
pave New York State touring routes and P

3003
02:08:53,119 --> 02:08:55,480
our pop pools um so this is just the

3004
02:08:55,480 --> 02:08:57,119
acceptance of the fund so that we can

3005
02:08:57,119 --> 02:08:59,840
put it into our accounts uh officially

3006
02:08:59,840 --> 02:09:02,960
and draw down it for this year's payment

3007
02:09:02,960 --> 02:09:07,870
program any questions comments on

3008
02:09:07,880 --> 02:09:10,800
this Mr W just a comment there's a lot

3009
02:09:10,800 --> 02:09:14,119
of Paving happening in Pleasant and I

3010
02:09:14,119 --> 02:09:15,599
know you have a lot to do with that so I

3011
02:09:15,599 --> 02:09:17,520
want to personally thank you the

3012
02:09:17,520 --> 02:09:20,000
resident have send many thank you a lot

3013
02:09:20,000 --> 02:09:22,440
of streets have been paved in the mon

3014
02:09:22,440 --> 02:09:24,719
and neighborhood it's a good thing and

3015
02:09:24,719 --> 02:09:27,280
across the city we have seen Paving

3016
02:09:27,280 --> 02:09:29,400
continue to see Paving happening so

3017
02:09:29,400 --> 02:09:30,800
thank you and thank you to all the staff

3018
02:09:30,800 --> 02:09:32,880
and everybody who's involved a lot of

3019
02:09:32,880 --> 02:09:35,079
people working hard to keep the roads up

3020
02:09:35,079 --> 02:09:37,280
but

3021
02:09:37,280 --> 02:09:40,079
y any other

3022
02:09:40,079 --> 02:09:43,320
comments I have a motion don't move this

3023
02:09:43,320 --> 02:09:46,000
second all in favor hi I any other

3024
02:09:46,000 --> 02:09:47,800
business for

3025
02:09:47,800 --> 02:09:50,960
finance motion to adjourn so move second

3026
02:09:50,960 --> 02:09:52,079
all in fav

3027
02:09:52,079 --> 02:09:54,079
hi thank you I'd like to call Border

3028
02:09:54,079 --> 02:09:55,840
City development and planning we have 10

3029
02:09:55,840 --> 02:09:58,239
items on the agenda the first one is to

3030
02:09:58,239 --> 02:10:00,400
the award bid contact for this connected

3031
02:10:00,400 --> 02:10:04,079
fire station number one Mr wall um so

3032
02:10:04,079 --> 02:10:07,119
what we have here is the replacement of

3033
02:10:07,119 --> 02:10:10,000
the existing HVAC system uh and

3034
02:10:10,000 --> 02:10:12,480
installation of a new generator at our

3035
02:10:12,480 --> 02:10:14,280
main fire station number one on beer

3036
02:10:14,280 --> 02:10:17,119
Avenue as uh you will see we have two

3037
02:10:17,119 --> 02:10:20,079
bids of a possible three um there is no

3038
02:10:20,079 --> 02:10:21,679
Plumbing work in this contract the

3039
02:10:21,679 --> 02:10:24,199
majority of it is mechanical um the

3040
02:10:24,199 --> 02:10:26,760
general contractor there was no bids

3041
02:10:26,760 --> 02:10:29,400
we're attributing that to the title of

3042
02:10:29,400 --> 02:10:31,400
the bid when it was on bidet saying fire

3043
02:10:31,400 --> 02:10:34,239
station HVAC and Generator so we put it

3044
02:10:34,239 --> 02:10:36,719
out and uh made sure to call a lot of

3045
02:10:36,719 --> 02:10:38,440
general contractors that we work with to

3046
02:10:38,440 --> 02:10:39,639
make sure that they're aware that there

3047
02:10:39,639 --> 02:10:42,559
is a general portion of it uh if you

3048
02:10:42,559 --> 02:10:44,239
look at the bids these were some of the

3049
02:10:44,239 --> 02:10:46,400
closest bids that we've ever received

3050
02:10:46,400 --> 02:10:48,679
with regards to first to second the bids

3051
02:10:48,679 --> 02:10:51,880
were extremely close um the low bidder

3052
02:10:51,880 --> 02:10:54,520
is the person uh the company that is are

3053
02:10:54,520 --> 02:10:56,719
doing our on call work so they are

3054
02:10:56,719 --> 02:10:58,880
familiar with the station so that makes

3055
02:10:58,880 --> 02:11:00,960
sense that they would be a little lower

3056
02:11:00,960 --> 02:11:03,719
than some um and just so you're aware

3057
02:11:03,719 --> 02:11:05,960
that the general this is uh different

3058
02:11:05,960 --> 02:11:07,520
than normal contracts where usually

3059
02:11:07,520 --> 02:11:09,480
you'll see a general contractor be the

3060
02:11:09,480 --> 02:11:12,440
highest like with the pool 90% of the

3061
02:11:12,440 --> 02:11:15,280
work of this project is mechanical the

3062
02:11:15,280 --> 02:11:17,239
general contractor will be in charge of

3063
02:11:17,239 --> 02:11:20,119
restoring ceiling tiles possibly uh

3064
02:11:20,119 --> 02:11:21,800
repairing some walls

3065
02:11:21,800 --> 02:11:24,520
but this is a very U small General we're

3066
02:11:24,520 --> 02:11:26,199
expecting the general to come in

3067
02:11:26,199 --> 02:11:29,280
somewhere on 250 Mark compared to the

3068
02:11:29,280 --> 02:11:30,520
eer which is

3069
02:11:30,520 --> 02:11:33,400
1.1 so um we're comfortable moving these

3070
02:11:33,400 --> 02:11:35,119
forward we have to move them forward now

3071
02:11:35,119 --> 02:11:36,960
because we don't want the bids to become

3072
02:11:36,960 --> 02:11:39,639
stale um we did wait one cycle to get

3073
02:11:39,639 --> 02:11:45,549
this all together but we do want to wait

3074
02:11:45,559 --> 02:11:47,760
another any questions

3075
02:11:47,760 --> 02:11:53,119
comments second El in favor hi thank you item number two is for the

3076
02:11:53,119 --> 02:11:55,480
award bid the award bidden contract for

3077
02:11:55,480 --> 02:11:57,280
the purchase of City connected pre-cast

3078
02:11:57,280 --> 02:12:00,800
contract concrete panel so

3079
02:12:00,800 --> 02:12:02,320
yes

3080
02:12:02,320 --> 02:12:08,119
sorry it's okay sorry um so what this is that as you remember we uh dedicated

3081
02:12:08,119 --> 02:12:10,400
some I believe ARA funding and as well

3082
02:12:10,400 --> 02:12:13,840
as some Sam money to the restoration of

3083
02:12:13,840 --> 02:12:15,559
the existing historic wallet diamonds

3084
02:12:15,559 --> 02:12:18,079
Park uh we previously awarded the labor

3085
02:12:18,079 --> 02:12:19,559
portion of this once the labor was

3086
02:12:19,559 --> 02:12:22,239
awarded um we wanted do this portion of

3087
02:12:22,239 --> 02:12:24,000
it which was the actual pre-cast

3088
02:12:24,000 --> 02:12:26,480
concrete panels themselves um we will be

3089
02:12:26,480 --> 02:12:28,800
buying an excess of 400 pre-cast

3090
02:12:28,800 --> 02:12:31,440
concrete panels um and capping the

3091
02:12:31,440 --> 02:12:34,840
entire wall the cap should uh protect

3092
02:12:34,840 --> 02:12:38,639
the wall for whe from weather and things

3093
02:12:38,639 --> 02:12:41,400
um the loan bid that we got was within

3094
02:12:41,400 --> 02:12:44,360
budget and is local uh they can meet our

3095
02:12:44,360 --> 02:12:46,520
deadline so we are looking to move

3096
02:12:46,520 --> 02:12:48,280
forward with this the deadline that we

3097
02:12:48,280 --> 02:12:50,079
put in there for seeing delivery of the

3098
02:12:50,079 --> 02:12:52,599
panels was September first we did talk

3099
02:12:52,599 --> 02:12:55,320
with the Labor uh that we that we're

3100
02:12:55,320 --> 02:12:56,800
looking to hire and they were okay with

3101
02:12:56,800 --> 02:12:59,520
that um so we're looking to just award

3102
02:12:59,520 --> 02:13:01,079
this and set up a system where we get a

3103
02:13:01,079 --> 02:13:03,000
delivery of continuous panels until the

3104
02:13:03,000 --> 02:13:04,760
project is

3105
02:13:04,760 --> 02:13:08,639
done any questions comments this second

3106
02:13:08,639 --> 02:13:12,559
all those in favor thank you president

3107
02:13:12,559 --> 02:13:15,920
ask to be talking about Paving one

3108
02:13:15,920 --> 02:13:18,360
question can you give us an update in

3109
02:13:18,360 --> 02:13:21,559
terms of the Central Parkway side mark

3110
02:13:21,559 --> 02:13:24,320
uh Central Park sidewalk it's out to bid

3111
02:13:24,320 --> 02:13:27,239
yeah and it'll be back in we believe a

3112
02:13:27,239 --> 02:13:32,199
week from Wednesday week from maybe two weeks from Wednesday but no

3113
02:13:32,199 --> 02:13:36,320
it's out to bid um and yeah one of one

3114
02:13:36,320 --> 02:13:38,199
of many things that is still up yeah

3115
02:13:38,199 --> 02:13:40,159
thank you I've been getting a lot of Pi

3116
02:13:40,159 --> 02:13:42,280
on no and we're we're looking to get

3117
02:13:42,280 --> 02:13:43,440
that done this year we did put a

3118
02:13:43,440 --> 02:13:45,159
deadline in it and the other thing that

3119
02:13:45,159 --> 02:13:47,320
I did mention to the mayor is that this

3120
02:13:47,320 --> 02:13:49,840
week steel is being set for the Kings

3121
02:13:49,840 --> 02:13:53,040
Road Bridge um so that that's exciting

3122
02:13:53,040 --> 02:13:57,549
to see thank you thank you for that

3123
02:13:57,559 --> 02:14:00,199
update um item number three the smart

3124
02:14:00,199 --> 02:14:06,069
grow Community Planning and

3125
02:14:06,079 --> 02:14:08,920
Zoning good evening city

3126
02:14:08,920 --> 02:14:11,520
council I am here calling for a

3127
02:14:11,520 --> 02:14:13,000
resolution I'm looking for the city

3128
02:14:13,000 --> 02:14:16,280
council to support the city of skn for

3129
02:14:16,280 --> 02:14:18,000
New York State smart growth Community

3130
02:14:18,000 --> 02:14:22,280
Planning and Zoning um Grant application

3131
02:14:22,280 --> 02:14:24,599
so we are in the process of doing our

3132
02:14:24,599 --> 02:14:27,239
comprehensive plan this grant will

3133
02:14:27,239 --> 02:14:29,119
support phase two of that which will

3134
02:14:29,119 --> 02:14:31,719
start in the summer of 2025 phase one

3135
02:14:31,719 --> 02:14:34,840
will start um this full 2024 which is a

3136
02:14:34,840 --> 02:14:37,719
community engagement the grant is the

3137
02:14:37,719 --> 02:14:41,480
minimum application is 75,000 we plan we

3138
02:14:41,480 --> 02:14:43,320
working with our consultant we estimate

3139
02:14:43,320 --> 02:14:46,559
that phase two will be 85,000 so that is

3140
02:14:46,559 --> 02:14:48,639
what we are applying for the One

3141
02:14:48,639 --> 02:14:50,679
Financial stipulation is that we have to

3142
02:14:50,679 --> 02:14:53,000
have a 10% local match which would

3143
02:14:53,000 --> 02:14:54,800
roughly be

3144
02:14:54,800 --> 02:14:58,360
8,500 so I've given the language um for

3145
02:14:58,360 --> 02:15:00,800
the resolutions on ask city council for

3146
02:15:00,800 --> 02:15:04,000
support for the this for comprehensive

3147
02:15:04,000 --> 02:15:09,360
so Bud for the that we have that

3148
02:15:09,360 --> 02:15:13,960
yes any questions I'm second those in

3149
02:15:13,960 --> 02:15:17,480
favor than thank you

3150
02:15:17,480 --> 02:15:20,199
any we got to ask so the next item is

3151
02:15:20,199 --> 02:15:21,960
the discussion rules of the form during

3152
02:15:21,960 --> 02:15:24,159
Council meetings we had this on the last

3153
02:15:24,159 --> 02:15:26,199
time and

3154
02:15:26,199 --> 02:15:28,400
um the mayor says that it's not

3155
02:15:28,400 --> 02:15:30,520
something that has to really be passed

3156
02:15:30,520 --> 02:15:32,079
through the council and the only

3157
02:15:32,079 --> 02:15:35,480
addition was that people would it would

3158
02:15:35,480 --> 02:15:37,520
just top of people knowled that they

3159
02:15:37,520 --> 02:15:39,159
were signing this and with signing that

3160
02:15:39,159 --> 02:15:41,760
they follow so just want to bring that

3161
02:15:41,760 --> 02:15:44,679
back that that's going to be um just

3162
02:15:44,679 --> 02:15:46,480
added to to

3163
02:15:46,480 --> 02:15:49,159
um to the rules and some people have a

3164
02:15:49,159 --> 02:15:51,520
misunderstanding because I got an email

3165
02:15:51,520 --> 02:15:53,920
stating that we were posting the rules I

3166
02:15:53,920 --> 02:15:56,679
think you may have all got about posting

3167
02:15:56,679 --> 02:15:59,480
the rules I don't remember that being

3168
02:15:59,480 --> 02:16:01,400
said by the Wonder is that a good

3169
02:16:01,400 --> 02:16:03,880
idea for some reason that that came

3170
02:16:03,880 --> 02:16:09,750
across to an

3171
02:16:09,760 --> 02:16:12,719
individual right yeah no they like post

3172
02:16:12,719 --> 02:16:13,490
it

3173
02:16:13,490 --> 02:16:14,960
[Music]

3174
02:16:14,960 --> 02:16:18,800
on right so we'll just go ahead and add

3175
02:16:18,800 --> 02:16:22,559
that the final uh items are for

3176
02:16:22,559 --> 02:16:26,000
executive session for sale of

3177
02:16:26,000 --> 02:16:29,480
property so at this time I Mo to

3178
02:16:29,480 --> 02:16:30,800
Executive session

3179
02:16:30,800 --> 02:16:33,920
second all in favor we in executive

3180
02:16:33,920 --> 02:16:36,639
session members of