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[1:41] micone thank you sir very welcome so old
[1:45] topic new topic uh issues of speeding in
[1:48] the city is conc so I was asked to come
[1:50] up here and talk about the uh topic that
[1:52] we formally had about reduction of the
[1:54] speed limit to 25 milph I'm sure we all
[1:56] saw that the city of Albany recently
[1:58] reduced their speed to miles hour um
[2:01] that was earlier this week I was in
[2:04] contact with f was in Albany their
[2:06] engineer and we did have an internal
[2:08] meeting by the with the police
[2:10] department and Brian Canon with the sign
[2:11] signal department and we did decide to
[2:14] uh start looking at and moving this
[2:17] forward at the request of the council um
[2:19] as you know previously I've been
[2:21] engaging with uh Fred mastriani fcm
[2:24] engineering we looked specifically at
[2:26] Kings Road Rugby Road Dwayne Avenue when
[2:29] we were doing small studies um given
[2:33] that the the studies have been varied
[2:35] with what it is and then Alban's outcome
[2:37] Albany did reduce uh the majority of
[2:41] their City to 25 milph using uh
[2:43] different engineering um what I metrics
[2:47] they use density they use um you know
[2:50] character of the neighborhood they used
[2:51] a couple of things that we hadn't looked
[2:53] at before uh to do that um so what we
[2:56] then did is Mayor and I reached out to
[2:58] our transportation Council we had a
[3:00] meeting with them today with their
[3:02] executive director um and the
[3:04] transportation Council uh has agreed
[3:07] they have a they receive grant funding
[3:09] through the Safe Streets for all Grant
[3:10] it's called ss4a it's Federal program
[3:13] and as part of that they uh hired a
[3:15] consultant and we'll be working with
[3:17] municipalities on coming up with the
[3:20] recommendations for select
[3:21] municipalities for reduction of speed
[3:24] for the roads they already have the
[3:25] consultant on board uh and she is more
[3:27] than willing to work with us on that so
[3:29] given that um our previous engineer Fred
[3:32] if everyone knows great gentleman
[3:34] smaller operation very good at the
[3:36] singular streets but if we're going to
[3:38] be moving to we want to look at the
[3:39] whole city holistically like Al did we'd
[3:42] really like to take the opportunity to
[3:43] accept the the grant money and move
[3:46] forward with working with uh essentially
[3:48] the capital region no on putting
[3:50] together recommendations for the entire
[3:52] Council to lower the city uh speed Li to
[3:55] 25 so right now that was we had that
[3:57] meeting just today we had our meeting
[3:59] meting with the police department um on
[4:01] Friday and uh you know we did just I
[4:04] don't want to speak for for Brian uh you
[4:06] know he's been doing some research on it
[4:07] and the the impact that can have when
[4:09] you do lower the speed limit for
[4:11] pedestrian safety and things it is it is
[4:13] significant yes so um we don't want to
[4:15] take it lightly if the council is in
[4:17] favor of us moving forward with the
[4:19] study for the entire reduction then
[4:21] we're going to work with the no and and
[4:24] come back with a proposal on the entire
[4:26] city go ahead Miss Patrick um so we've
[4:29] been uh talking about this since August
[4:31] of 2022 that was the first time that I
[4:33] put in a legislative request and then I
[4:35] put one in in September of
[4:37] 2023 um and and more recently um I do
[4:40] have the materials from Albany that were
[4:42] sent to me from uh someone connected
[4:44] over there so I saw the Katon Manning I
[4:47] think I think that's the name of the fir
[4:48] Manning yon Manning uh that did the
[4:50] engineering study I actually hoped that
[4:52] tonight we were actually going to be
[4:54] able to take action as Council and vote
[4:56] for a 25 M hour speed limit um my
[5:00] thought is I'd like to see the city
[5:02] become 25 miles per hour um across the
[5:06] city and then do the exensions on the
[5:08] streets that have high density need the
[5:11] traffic flow um to be faster uh as it is
[5:15] right now I think on eie state coule
[5:17] couple of
[5:18] areas obviously stay at the 15 M hour
[5:22] speed limit in the um school zones but
[5:25] um because I the research is just as you
[5:28] said I mean there's you know whether
[5:30] it's the Federal Highway whether it's
[5:32] the Insurance Institute um you know
[5:35] there's another Federal uh body as well
[5:37] all of them cite that the bottom line is
[5:40] that it definitely um prevents accidents
[5:43] um and certainly is uh increases
[5:45] pedestrian safety um and I think as we
[5:49] continue moving towards trying to be a
[5:51] more bikable and walkable city um that
[5:54] reducing the speed limit would be and on
[5:57] top of doing other things like stock
[5:59] signs in different areas and and and
[6:02] other types of traffic cing measures but
[6:04] so we did talk about that today as well
[6:06] and I just want to address the the
[6:08] reason that this has been so complex is
[6:10] that the state came out and they said if
[6:12] you want to Red reduce it here are your
[6:15] metrics um and so we're really not
[6:17] talking about the local roads the local
[6:19] roads are the local roads um which are
[6:22] typically you know any road other than
[6:24] Union not Eastern all but um what we
[6:28] really want to do is is when we we go
[6:30] forward have the evidence one of the
[6:32] things that I was I was surprised with
[6:33] Albany was they did it via a density
[6:35] survey more or less and they did have
[6:37] some information but it
[6:40] was it was wider spread than I would
[6:42] have thought larger portions of Central
[6:44] Avenue larger portions of Washington
[6:46] Avenue areas that I personally was not
[6:49] looking at you know not to say with uh
[6:51] regards to Kings Road which we all have
[6:53] been talking about um that street under
[6:56] these new guidelines may be more
[6:58] eligible than what we did we did a
[7:00] complete traffic study and they came
[7:02] back with a different metric that said
[7:04] given the character of the street and
[7:05] they looked at a different metric and I
[7:07] want to make sure if we're looking at
[7:09] the city holistically like that that
[7:11] we're all on the same page as a region
[7:13] which is why I really like the no
[7:15] stepping in and helping out with this
[7:17] because we don't only want it to be good
[7:19] for pedestrian safety but we also want
[7:20] to make sure that when we do enforcement
[7:23] it is extremely enforceable we do not
[7:26] want someone coming back and saying
[7:28] you're engineering judgment on this role
[7:29] this should never have been 25 and
[7:31] coming back at us and going down that
[7:33] road um you know there are Saratoga Troy
[7:37] they're also in this study for the Safe
[7:38] Streets for all so I think it will give
[7:40] us more of a base to hang our hats on to
[7:44] say listen you know this was the
[7:45] regional study that we looked at and
[7:47] this is where we're going um because
[7:49] like I said we were looking at road by
[7:50] road and pulling data from our Smart
[7:52] City cameras because that's how
[7:54] seriously we were taking it and we were
[7:56] getting a recommendation so right now
[7:58] our recommendation was okay Kings Road
[8:00] we did not have the information at the
[8:01] time to say because we were pulling it
[8:03] and we said Rugby Road we do so right
[8:06] now and that that kind of a process
[8:08] would take too long looking at the city
[8:10] from this holistic view so I'd like to
[8:12] keep going with the no to get it done
[8:15] and then just come to you with the which
[8:17] they had which was a GIS map I don't
[8:19] know if you saw that colorcoded with
[8:21] what streets they were going down and
[8:23] looking at it um and and I will put a
[8:26] you know I will talk with them and try
[8:28] to get a time frame on it to try to push
[8:30] it forward but I really don't want to
[8:32] just come and say 25 Citywide I I really
[8:36] would prefer not to do that because I
[8:38] think it puts a lot on on me personally
[8:41] to sign off on something like that and
[8:44] may may I also I just want to add that
[8:46] um and I don't I can't speak from my
[8:48] colleagues but I've certainly been
[8:49] getting emails um um whether it's people
[8:52] in the stock people in the GE flot I
[8:54] mean it's not just Kings Road uh that
[8:57] we're hearing from I mean we're hearing
[8:58] from at least I'm hearing from people in
[9:00] many different neighborhoods of the city
[9:02] that support 100% somebody today told me
[9:05] they supported 143% U moving forward
[9:08] with trying to reduce the speed limit so
[9:10] it is something that our residents are
[9:12] um at least uh speaking with me about uh
[9:15] very very and the other thing I don't
[9:17] want to I don't want to forget this kind
[9:18] of important fact um is the other reason
[9:21] that we pushed it off that you and I
[9:23] talked about was the financial impact of
[9:25] this and that we wanted to make sure
[9:27] that we got it done during this budget
[9:30] cycle so I don't think we should hold
[9:33] off on that we do know that it's going
[9:35] to be an impact on signs I did talk to
[9:37] Brian Cannon's uh let's say doppelganger
[9:41] over in Albany and they will be putting
[9:42] out a contract they're removing 200
[9:45] signs they are putting up new signs I
[9:47] think they're doing that with contract
[9:48] work so it's it's not insignificant so I
[9:51] think that was one of the things we had
[9:53] talked about was that if we did go to 25
[9:55] M hour even if we passed it with
[9:57] legislation putting the signs up and
[9:59] changing the physical nature of the city
[10:01] would take a while I I do want to add on
[10:04] that note that again my understanding is
[10:07] and you guys are the experts but that um
[10:10] again if it was Citywide with exemptions
[10:13] in certain streets that you wouldn't
[10:15] necessarily need 200 signs you'd need
[10:17] the signs at the entrance points of the
[10:19] city as they are now where it says 30 m
[10:22] hour and those would get changed to 25
[10:25] mil hour and then there'd be additional
[10:27] signage based on um
[10:29] those streets that were going to be
[10:31] either higher than 25 miles hour or that
[10:35] were obviously the school district I
[10:37] always point you School District um
[10:40] remain at 15 miles hour and and that is
[10:44] correct but there are some signs we even
[10:46] have signs I know Brian was looking into
[10:47] it that say 35 miles hour so we wanted
[10:50] to make sure we know where where those
[10:51] signs were in some other areas I'm also
[10:54] uh you know I want to talk with the
[10:55] state about uie Boulevard because that's
[10:57] one of the areas where yie Boulevard the
[10:59] Gateway into the city north of the
[11:01] roundabout that's one of our highest
[11:03] speed we don't own that road I was going
[11:05] to talk with them about if we could
[11:06] reduce that coming into the city and see
[11:08] what their appetite for that would be as
[11:10] it's 40 um
[11:13] but there's a lot to do with this and I
[11:15] have not been putting my full attention
[11:17] on it I apologize for that um I was kind
[11:19] of hanging my head on moving forward
[11:21] slower getting the budget lines together
[11:24] getting Brian up to speed and uh like I
[11:26] said with the the no being here now will
[11:29] push it but I don't have any any magic
[11:32] answers for it right now so right now
[11:34] you don't know what the timeline will be
[11:37] she has the Grant and they're working on
[11:38] it they have the consultant already on
[11:40] board but I don't have a timeline but we
[11:41] just met with her today and she was
[11:43] enthusiastic about it and I can get a
[11:45] timeline what do what does NP stand for
[11:47] again our uh Metropolitan planning
[11:50] organization so that is our that is the
[11:52] C it used to be called the Capital
[11:53] District transportation committee now
[11:55] they're the capital region
[11:56] Transportation Council um so they handle
[12:00] all of the major transportation planning
[12:02] in the area um I've worked with them on
[12:04] our ada8 transition plan they're the
[12:06] ones that we go through for all of our
[12:07] federal projects you know I really try
[12:09] to lean on them because they are a
[12:12] resource that I don't have in my office
[12:14] and they do have staff that are you know
[12:16] educated engineers and planners to help
[12:18] with these kind of things so so I I just
[12:21] want to ask you mentioned Kings Road rby
[12:23] and then Dwayne Avenue I know that
[12:25] we got had speed humps like for for one
[12:30] I don't know how many weeks a very short
[12:31] time and supposedly what was supposed to
[12:33] come out of that was that they was in a
[12:34] study feedback and then they were moved
[12:36] to another location and we haven't heard
[12:39] anything about that so I'm not asking
[12:40] right here right now but if we could
[12:43] include that and and also the
[12:45] possibility of having those in the city
[12:47] because people are asking about that I
[12:49] they think that that's I can come back
[12:50] with that that would be easier for me to
[12:52] so we do have some information on that
[12:54] and we did do a study for that one and I
[12:56] don't know if we regrouped internally
[12:58] but
[12:59] that that was a successful project and
[13:01] that's something that we are looking
[13:05] to Mr TR oh I'm sorry I'm sorry I'm
[13:08] sorry Mr mud next I was going to ask the
[13:11] same question in terms of the timeline
[13:12] so you as you mentioned just that we
[13:14] have a grant and you're looking forward
[13:16] for us to move forward with that Grant
[13:18] the the transportation has the grant
[13:22] it's a Federal grant for Safe Streets
[13:24] and they're looking to take that they
[13:26] have a consultant and they're looking to
[13:27] do more of a a regional approach to uh
[13:29] lowering people so is that cing us
[13:31] anything no no now in terms of um do
[13:35] Avenue and R was any study done on those
[13:39] two streets yes yes yes I have studies
[13:42] on
[13:43] both because I remember that you present
[13:46] with uh Kings Road only I we did present
[13:49] King's Road and we we have done I have
[13:51] not I don't know if I've ever presented
[13:52] for Dwayne and no I did not okay rby I
[13:56] think we might have had Mr
[14:00] um both with rugby and 99% sure I have
[14:04] it but uh John provided Fred with data
[14:07] off of our Optical sensors and he was
[14:09] able to put together a report that the
[14:11] speed on Rugby was lower than the speed
[14:14] on Kings and US easier to reduce to 25
[14:17] mil hour and that's what I'm getting at
[14:19] is that we were going with this approach
[14:21] which was a longer approach and now
[14:23] we're going to look at it in a different
[14:25] approach and that's my AP because I was
[14:26] taking this on a street by Street you
[14:28] never going to get done it's like Paving
[14:30] the roads so now we're going to use a
[14:32] different way the consultant that we're
[14:33] working with they're using not only
[14:35] they're going to use our Optical sensor
[14:36] data they use Google data off phones
[14:38] track they have you know a little bit
[14:40] bigger of a network and I think that's
[14:42] how we're we're going to approach it and
[14:43] then we'll have
[14:45] one uniformed approach of the whole area
[14:47] so when we go forward it'll be the same
[14:48] as Troy it'll be the same as Saratoga I
[14:50] think some of the other towns are using
[14:52] it and uh and that'll kind of I hope
[14:55] protect all of us a little bit more when
[14:57] we Gove forward but I can get you the
[14:58] information for Dwayne and rugby yeah if you can provide that the other
[15:04] followup question in terms of um it's
[15:07] good that we are moving towards this
[15:10] reduction but at the same time can you
[15:12] incorporate the enforcement into this
[15:15] study because if we're going to reduce
[15:18] it then how do we enforce it because if
[15:20] we don't enforce it it's going to be the
[15:22] same thing well I mean Brian you could
[15:25] talk to that a little more if you want
[15:26] to but we have purchased more you know
[15:28] radar back cameras things like that we
[15:30] are working together more on on active
[15:34] enforcement can we
[15:36] ask us a summ you want to talk to the
[15:40] enforcement end of
[15:44] it police I'm not
[15:47] police we have to I'm sorry you have to
[15:50] it's for the
[15:54] public okay yeah enforcement is built in
[15:57] no matter what the speeding is so so
[15:59] changing the speed limit does present
[16:00] new challenges for us because we have to
[16:04] consider that since the signs are
[16:05] changed we have to give people time to
[16:06] get accustomed to the new speed but
[16:09] we're enforcing the speed limit now when
[16:11] we change the speed limit if we change
[16:13] the speed limit that we'll be enforcing
[16:15] speed limit whatever the new speed limit
[16:17] is so well my question to that is do you
[16:20] have the resource to to enforce it and
[16:23] do would you need additional resource
[16:26] for
[16:27] enforcement I would say that it will be
[16:29] a little bit more intensive than normal
[16:31] because there will be an adjustment I
[16:33] would expect during that period there
[16:35] would probably be more advisements than
[16:37] normal but but we would still be
[16:40] conducting enforcement activities
[16:42] obviously resources would help us with
[16:44] that so so Mr you may want to consider
[16:47] that into the traffic
[16:49] study enforcement any resource that is
[16:52] needed well I work with police on on
[16:56] what we we need to do
[16:59] no Mr T is
[17:01] next
[17:05] um oh I'm totally in in support of um
[17:10] getting the grant getting the study
[17:13] especially because we don't want any
[17:15] repercussions from lawsuits and things
[17:17] so I I I respect that and work that
[17:19] you're doing on that um Mr W um I'm I'm
[17:23] interested in uh from Brian uh Canon so
[17:27] when we reduce
[17:29] uh the speed if it gets reduced how does
[17:31] that work f with signal control and all
[17:34] the lights that have to be rearranged in
[17:36] the city and stop and
[17:38] go know
[17:42] um
[17:48] change um sure so um you know when we
[17:51] reduce the speed I know that you know
[17:53] signal control has to have plates at
[17:55] different uh intervals throughout to
[17:58] make things move quickly so what would
[18:00] that entail on your part there will be
[18:02] an adjustment as far as making sure some
[18:04] of the timed lights fitting them into
[18:06] maybe this new system where obviously
[18:09] the traffic was going a little bit
[18:10] faster now we have to go and adjust that
[18:13] on a Case by casee basis depending on
[18:15] what we land on after you know we do all
[18:18] these studies and uh do the ultimate
[18:20] adjustment here and that's just
[18:22] something that we'll have to do um kind
[18:25] of just making sure we outline the right
[18:27] traffic signals and
[18:29] has and um the signage um you know what would in t you be able to do that
[18:37] in in house it is a major signage
[18:40] project if what we foresee comes to
[18:44] fruition but um with the gr money we
[18:47] should be able to make be able to get
[18:49] that done so the gr money no no we're
[18:52] going to have to budget for us Grand
[18:54] handles a study that's what we're
[18:56] talking about so that was so to to John
[18:59] to your point you're what we're doing
[19:01] now is that we're going to we're going
[19:03] to wrap our heads around in the next
[19:04] month the budget right we're going to
[19:06] find out what is going to cost us to do
[19:08] these changes if there's any enforcement
[19:10] things that need to be put into the
[19:12] budget there's any capital I don't think
[19:14] our inhouse Personnel are going to be
[19:16] able to tackle this uh at one time so
[19:19] that's what we're going to have to all
[19:20] work together on putting together some
[19:21] budget numbers either capital or
[19:23] operating and say for this year to make
[19:26] this transition this is what we're going
[19:27] to need to do
[19:30] but thatan that was we talk that was one
[19:32] of the main reasons that we didn't know
[19:33] what the impact was um the new mutcd
[19:36] that just came out um that's the manual
[19:39] uniform traffic control devices uh with
[19:42] signage you know they will it does have
[19:44] a sign in the new one that will allow it
[19:45] says um 25 mil hour unless otherwise
[19:49] indicated so that's the sign that you
[19:51] were talking about putting at the
[19:52] entrances so then we would put 30 m hour
[19:55] signs where they would be um but once
[19:59] again is that looking at what the city
[20:00] of Aly has done we may be able
[20:04] to have more in that lower speed which I
[20:07] did not think was possible know CU roads
[20:11] are classified arterial collectors all
[20:15] like and I didn't think that maybe we
[20:16] would be able eligible to reduce those
[20:18] and it looks like we may be eligible to
[20:20] do that which would which would be great
[20:22] something that we talked about you know
[20:24] if State Street were to actually go down
[20:26] we're looking at you know classifying
[20:28] State Street from Brandy Wine Avenue to
[20:30] downtown it's very heavy compared to
[20:33] some other areas on State Street so
[20:35] really looking at it um you know that's
[20:37] what the density St you look at whereas
[20:39] right now if you seen in the we're P do
[20:41] a Max and Road Extension Max Road
[20:43] Extension is it's a Gateway into the
[20:45] city but it is really not a high density
[20:49] area so those are areas it's a different
[20:52] way of looking at it and that's that's
[20:54] where like I said the first time we're
[20:55] looking at it so micro this is so much
[20:57] big um and that's what in Brian you know
[21:00] being new what he has John still as a
[21:02] resource kind of wrap his head around
[21:04] what the impact that his Department's
[21:05] going to
[21:06] be we will we will cross the finish line
[21:09] with this it's just just have to get
[21:11] little
[21:14] BK so yeah first I want to say thank you
[21:16] for you know kind of looking outside of the city and trying to leverage
[21:20] existing resources in neighor
[21:22] communities I think that's a really
[21:23] great um tactic and I I I appreciate
[21:27] your due Dil there so my question is and
[21:30] I think that a lot of the members of the
[21:33] council we are hearing things this has
[21:35] been something that we've been talking
[21:36] about um but it seems like if I'm
[21:38] understanding this correctly kind of
[21:40] this this new shift and kind of our
[21:42] approach you know might get us more
[21:45] impact for when when we start to run
[21:48] things out in other words it doesn't
[21:49] seem like even though we kind of going
[21:51] um One Direction now using um this
[21:55] resource that uh has won this GR and and
[21:59] us partners with them will allow us to
[22:00] do things in a larger impact which is
[22:02] really good I guess my question is if we
[22:06] have those speed humps right
[22:09] now would it be wise for us to try to
[22:12] deploy those in time as we're trying to
[22:15] figure out things and doing the studies
[22:17] would we be able to deploy those those
[22:19] speed humps as a deterrent um to kind of
[22:21] at
[22:22] least less than the likelihood or or
[22:26] going to produce some results for the
[22:27] public
[22:29] talking to us about
[22:30] this you talk about the two temporary
[22:32] speed HS we only have two we two have
[22:37] two we have we have two they were on
[22:39] Dwayne Avenue and we do have them at
[22:41] Foster Avenue right
[22:45] now so we we could deploy those
[22:47] somewhere if there was a if there was a
[22:49] location the Dwayne was a really great
[22:51] location for because of the uh character
[22:54] of the street straight long wide
[22:56] proximity to a school zone and it really
[22:59] gave us a a good a good area to test
[23:02] that at and it was successful and I
[23:04] believe um at least I'm talking with
[23:06] Marvin you know she really says the
[23:08] community wants them back um and it's
[23:10] something that we wanted to talk with
[23:11] ogs about I haven't had that talk about
[23:14] starting uh once we once they think that
[23:16] they are successful if we want to make
[23:18] them permanent features of the city uh
[23:20] and that's something also that Albany
[23:21] has done with a a large investment into
[23:24] speed speed pumps in Harbor
[23:27] build um I think when we're thinking
[23:29] about the budget and and the studies
[23:31] that you're all talking about um I mean
[23:34] hopefully we'll also be looking at where
[23:36] we might need more stop signs also right
[23:39] would be part of this I think um I know
[23:42] but I'm just saying from everything stop
[23:44] signs are are I know that they're
[23:46] regulated by the do I I mean believe me
[23:49] we've been talking about this since
[23:50] August of 2022 so and I you know so
[23:54] we've done a lot of research and and a
[23:55] lot of reading on this um uh the other
[23:58] thing I wanted to say was that Mr PA
[24:01] many had also mentioned the cameras on
[24:04] uh the stock lights uh the traff lights
[24:07] um and I don't know if we ever um got
[24:10] them in got them in um I mean again that
[24:13] would be sort of this what he was
[24:14] talking about at that time which I also
[24:17] support is the idea that um you know it
[24:21] would automatically ticket um people
[24:24] that were going through uh red lights
[24:26] for example do we do that now so um to
[24:30] have red light cameras uh requires an
[24:33] active State Legislature which we did
[24:35] not pursue or we did pursue we did it's
[24:38] not we did get it okay so we because I
[24:41] know ALB has it and al2 ALB just
[24:44] employed cameras for school zones as
[24:47] well so Albany is looking to do cameras
[24:50] for both we can check into it but I
[24:56] thought I thought we had the the home
[24:59] rul yes we did this year so we're
[25:02] allowed to install
[25:04] them I want to ver I can check I'll pass
[25:08] I'll the only municipality I know where
[25:09] that I thought was I know that we
[25:11] submitted and asked for home rule on
[25:12] that and I'm pretty sure
[25:16] my so that's homework
[25:20] I if that's something too that we were
[25:22] look into that is also uh budgetary that would be a large um budget number
[25:29] is that is a essentially a service um
[25:33] that that comes with it you know You'
[25:34] have to do an RFP select a vendor that
[25:37] is a that would be a large undertaking
[25:40] but it Aly has found it successful and
[25:42] that's why they're doing it with school
[25:44] zones you did you
[25:47] have is there something I don't believe
[25:49] the home rule legislation pass the
[25:52] theory is changing on uh speeding where
[25:57] the standard used to be
[25:58] 85 percentile of the
[26:01] drivers what they felt was a comfortable
[26:05] speed so you'd set it at 55 you set it
[26:08] at 30 you set it at a lower amount the
[26:11] theory now is Shifting because of the
[26:13] number of auto accidents uh
[26:16] pedestrian uh
[26:19] accidents safety is taking a higher
[26:22] priority and that seems to be the theory
[26:25] which didn't seem to be available before
[26:27] wasn't accepted
[26:28] is what Aly did and so you can go
[26:32] through and look at these areas where
[26:35] the utilization is higher with
[26:36] pedestrian traffic bike traffic other
[26:38] things and take that into account
[26:42] for your determination of the speed then
[26:46] of course enforcement and education is a
[26:49] big component of that no matter what we
[26:51] put up there you got to get people to
[26:52] comply with
[26:54] it thank you go ahead p and I guess that
[26:57] is um I I I want to add to that that um
[27:01] I understand that there's going to be a
[27:02] budgetary cost um to this but I I do
[27:05] think that um the bottom line is that I
[27:07] do think it will save lives um and
[27:10] reduce um crashes so um in that sense um
[27:15] you know I think we need to really
[27:18] seriously consider this even with the
[27:20] additional cost that
[27:23] it well we're definitely going to have
[27:25] to look into to what the impacts to be
[27:27] financially but you know we can't put a
[27:29] dollar on on people's lives on people's
[27:31] safety you know to put a human face on
[27:33] this we I know about the woman who was
[27:36] injured had a traumatic bra injury
[27:38] because of the accent believe was on
[27:40] Boulevard um and so you know she's
[27:42] written to us and um just talked about
[27:45] how it's impact her life we and all of
[27:47] you have the information here from Mr
[27:49] Collins on uh on um King's Road and and
[27:53] the impact that has had on him and his
[27:55] family financially so you know we know
[27:58] it's going to cost some money but it's
[28:00] definitely something that we need to do
[28:01] in and to make sure that our our
[28:04] citizens are safe and just to say this
[28:05] gone back more than two years because we
[28:07] were talking about speed humps long
[28:09] before they ever got there so it's been
[28:11] quite a while that speeding's been an
[28:13] issue in our city and we've been trying
[28:15] to figure out ways to um you know to
[28:18] resolve it and to get people to comply
[28:20] and to have enforcement and change the mindset actually around speeding so
[28:26] um I'm sorry Mr ch
[28:29] um Mr Mar how will this affect um uh
[28:33] electric bikes scooters electric motors
[28:35] that are flying around the city on the
[28:37] sidewalks on the street most of them can
[28:39] do between 30 and 50 m an hour I know we
[28:42] just got some new bikes um and I was
[28:45] told that they can can go up to uh 50 m
[28:48] an hour so what happens there again
[28:51] would be enforcement maybe
[28:54] or yeah yeah yeah
[28:58] I mean anything that can travel that
[29:00] fast that isn't you know powered by
[29:02] pedaling alone would be considered a
[29:04] motor vehicle whether it's electric or
[29:06] not so it would be subject to all
[29:08] vehicle and traffic laws
[29:10] that
[29:12] the
[29:14] that that is also something that we just
[29:16] talked about today uh called Turn Down
[29:19] micr mobility and the impact that that's
[29:22] having on
[29:26] everything Mr topic of speed PP um we
[29:29] had allocated
[29:30] $20,000 did we utilize all that funding
[29:33] we have we have around 65
[29:37] left we bought two and we didn't have
[29:39] enough yeah they're pretty
[29:41] expensive I can look into it but yes we
[29:43] did we did use we did use uh more than
[29:46] half the money for the two their speed
[29:48] tables are a little bit larger um than
[29:50] the speed hump but we do have the Stu
[29:58] I know Miss Patrick that you your your
[30:01] goal tonight was to try get this move
[30:03] through but it doesn't sound like
[30:04] something that we could move forward on
[30:06] tonight sounds like we're going to have um this study um so again
[30:10] there's no timeline yet though no I I
[30:12] will get the timeline and I will come
[30:14] back with the other two study reports
[30:16] that we have next time talk about that
[30:19] and follow up with the speed hump data
[30:21] after I talk with uh ogs and uh SPD a
[30:24] little bit more about you know if there
[30:29] there's what I said before which is the
[30:32] issue is that this is a very large topic
[30:35] and once we start down the road it's
[30:37] going to get harder so what it is is how
[30:41] did we select Dwayne Avenue we used
[30:43] engineering judgment to select Dwayne
[30:45] Avenue we put the temporary on Dwayne
[30:47] Avenue and we did a study on Dwayne
[30:49] Avenue but now that that recommendation
[30:53] then is that yes it was effective and
[30:55] yes we can put permanent then what is
[30:58] preventing everyone in the city from
[31:02] asking for Speed HS and we just can't
[31:07] have a speed hump on every residential
[31:09] Road in the city so that's where we have
[31:12] to get back and follow city of
[31:14] Rochester's guidelines and start looking
[31:16] at guidelines of our own which require
[31:19] petitions similar to our sidewalk
[31:21] assessment which require action because
[31:24] we have to put some roadblocks up to how
[31:28] we are deciding where to put speed HPS
[31:31] and barriers and investing in this
[31:33] because it it if we don't we're just
[31:36] opening it up to I think I want and I
[31:39] really don't want to go down something
[31:40] where we have that um so that's that's
[31:44] part of the reason of
[31:45] dragging
[31:49] that's
[31:51] so I think it's a positive step forward
[31:53] what you're doing sitting on this for a
[31:56] long time and at this going I ask you
[31:58] know our residents just please to be
[32:00] patient until this comes through and I
[32:02] think it'd be beneficial to the entire
[32:04] city I do I know it's been a long
[32:08] time this is definitely moving forward
[32:11] we're getting closer there you go we're
[32:14] getting closer to the end of something I
[32:17] don't know if people are going to like
[32:18] where the end goes that's why I'm trying
[32:20] to you know I'm trying to PA you know we you know 25 mph hopefully is where
[32:25] everybody wants 25 mil hour We're
[32:26] putting speed HPS for both people want
[32:28] them or not want them it's just this is
[32:31] a larger conversation I just don't want
[32:34] it to happen spaic I have not gotten
[32:37] anything ever really in writing or a
[32:39] petition yet for a speed hun you just
[32:41] did it engineering this was a good
[32:43] location to see if it was effective if
[32:45] it is effective then we have to come up
[32:46] with some kind of guideline to how we
[32:48] start implementing and that's what we
[32:50] have to work on and that's going to take
[32:52] time to put together so I know we
[32:54] haven't gotten a petition but we've
[32:55] certainly got a lot of f yeah that's so
[32:57] are going to have to I I get request all
[33:00] that yeah but I'm talking about the
[33:01] council okay coming to the council that
[33:03] we had like certain areas said here here so we have gotten request so that
[33:08] my point is there's the place we can
[33:09] start if they're going to be you know
[33:11] looking at petition I get that can't to
[33:13] everything but you
[33:15] know if you want we could I guess I
[33:18] don't think so but but then the other
[33:20] part of this is wait one second the
[33:23] other thing is that we um there were
[33:26] accidents and Mr talked about this one
[33:28] of the ways that he was determining this
[33:30] was where there were accidents and that
[33:33] was part of it as well so those are
[33:36] determining factors from based on he
[33:38] what he told
[33:40] us M Patrick yeah I I guess I want to
[33:43] say um that I I mean I feel residents
[33:46] haven't actually been patient I think
[33:48] that maybe they've been patient but
[33:49] they're not patient any longer um I
[33:51] think it is um definitely the number one
[33:55] thing I hear about um several times a
[33:57] week
[33:58] and um you know it really has gone on
[34:01] and I'm not I'm not criticizing you guys
[34:04] um but it has gone on now for you know a
[34:07] long time um and um I I just feel like
[34:11] it's one of those things that this
[34:12] Council has to make a decision and take
[34:15] some action on um because we've been
[34:17] talking about studies and we've had
[34:19] studies and I mean we have Federal data
[34:23] um we're seeing what's happening in in
[34:25] other places but it's FR I guess I'm
[34:28] expressing my frustration right now as
[34:31] well which I think is um because I'm
[34:34] hearing the frustration of so many
[34:35] residents um as well so um I
[34:40] mean I I I guess I'm getting at the end
[34:43] of um coming up with Solutions um here I
[34:47] think we have a solution it's just a
[34:49] matter of being able to implement Mr
[34:51] yeah that's I was going to addressing I
[34:52] think we need to give Mr Wen the
[34:53] opportunity to do the traffic study and
[34:55] come back to us with a comprehensive
[34:57] plan yes we had traffic study but it was
[34:59] on Kings Road only I I don't recall that
[35:02] we had any traffic study across the city
[35:05] or paral um City you know Citywide or
[35:08] things like that so there was only one
[35:10] study that was done on Kings Road so we
[35:13] just need to give him the opportunity
[35:14] come back to us and I think we're going
[35:16] to move forward with the recommendation
[35:19] that coming from his
[35:21] office Mr so I was just say
[35:25] I Patrick I share the
[35:29] to F this frustration but you know
[35:31] definitely want to um get get some
[35:35] movement out of this I feel like you
[35:37] know we have been talked about it for a
[35:39] while and some things are problems are
[35:41] that complicated that we have to do
[35:43] diligence I'm all for that I just want
[35:45] ear I heard you say that we had only two
[35:47] speed hunts and then you said something
[35:49] about speed tables that we did at those
[35:52] they're the same we have two speed T
[35:54] okay okay okay I again what what I'm
[35:56] trying to accomplish here is to say like
[35:59] you know it seems like there that
[36:01] there's going to be some time before we
[36:03] can implement this fully so what are the
[36:05] more graduated measures that we can take
[36:08] in the meantime so that's what kind of
[36:10] I'm
[36:10] open up to anyone to kind of say like oh
[36:13] you know as we do the study these are
[36:15] some of the things we could do to kind
[36:16] of meet the needs of residents in
[36:18] between tun time and if there are
[36:19] something like that then I really to
[36:21] hear them and if they're not in between
[36:23] now and the time that you come back
[36:24] maybe that's something that we all start
[36:25] to kind of collect
[36:28] I'm sorry one more comment because I do
[36:31] think that um we've seen data um that
[36:33] was presented to us um actually in our
[36:36] neighborhood um on the Plaza um in
[36:39] streets sort of above
[36:42] yours from Mr fucho we we heard about um
[36:45] the volume of accidents I I want to say
[36:48] like the plaza and you know Regent or
[36:51] Dean um we've also um seen the data on
[36:55] uh Rugby Road um um and I think we might
[36:58] have seen some data on Brandy Wine as
[37:00] well this is just over the last few
[37:02] years but um I think the other piece of
[37:05] it is that there are the there is the
[37:07] ability to just pull the data on um a week for example and I would
[37:13] thank Mr Collins for sharing this with
[37:16] me I think last week um but you know we
[37:18] can pull speeding data for a week in a
[37:20] certain area and see even at what times
[37:24] what what the speeds are that cars are
[37:26] going so I I guess we don't have to do
[37:29] like major study I mean we can just pull
[37:32] data that we already have um I don't
[37:35] know if it comes from the police
[37:36] department or if it comes from um our
[37:39] signal we sign boards that have the
[37:41] ability to do that um so I understand
[37:44] what you're saying however Mr Mr um W is
[37:48] talking about something more
[37:49] comprehensive so I I don't know if we
[37:51] peil it or we just let that this
[37:53] comprehensive thing happen and then we
[37:55] get this done I won't say once for all
[37:57] because things change but get this done
[38:00] in the most effective way to be able to
[38:02] implement
[38:04] it so Mr Farley during the whole process
[38:07] is going to take some time to get the
[38:09] traffic study in place can we consider
[38:12] buying some more speed home and to help
[38:15] with certain location across the the
[38:18] city to help reduce the
[38:20] speed is that something you willing to
[38:24] inter I will buy as many speed tables as
[38:27] you would like the issue is I do not
[38:30] install the speed tables I do not remove
[38:32] the speed tables so it is a labor we do
[38:36] have some issues sometimes when it comes
[38:37] to that so if we would like to buy a
[38:41] dozen speed tables and put them
[38:42] throughout the city I'm not putting them
[38:45] in I'm perfectly fine I'm just saying
[38:48] they are it is a process to put them in
[38:51] uh we do like to try to leave them in
[38:52] for a little bit of time because um
[38:55] they're they are you know it's it's a
[38:56] big jigsa so we can do it um and and if
[39:00] we had some solid locations that we like
[39:02] to put them in that's that's fine I mean
[39:04] that's why we have City staff so well I
[39:06] guess that's my my side of it is we can put them in wherever we're
[39:11] requested it's just it is labor
[39:14] intensive and there's a cost there is a
[39:17] cost need time for ordering I can find
[39:21] that uh um I I don't think it's too
[39:24] absorbent because they're they modular
[39:28] sections and you make the section as big
[39:29] or small as you want so I can talk with
[39:32] them about getting some more um we did
[39:34] talk about putting some on Rugby um we
[39:37] did talk about putting some on Kings um
[39:39] I hadn't heard of the plaza but that I
[39:41] can understand up there by the plaza
[39:43] there's a kind of a curve and there
[39:45] there's an area there that I believe has
[39:46] some issues so we can look at things
[39:48] like
[39:49] that but once again that just how they
[39:52] go in is that's kind of my my little is
[39:56] how how pick so that it's not just the
[40:00] table coming to me and saying I think we
[40:02] should put them
[40:03] there we can uh we can consider that and
[40:06] just to add in terms of the traffic
[40:08] study Mr May our Smart City camera would
[40:11] that be helpful in terms of this study
[40:14] that we pull out out from the Smart City
[40:16] camera yes that's the information you
[40:18] got that's where we're getting that from
[40:20] it's far more detailed and what's
[40:22] available on
[40:23] the
[40:26] speed so we are getting a lot of data
[40:28] from that yes okay that's where we got
[40:30] the data for for kings and rugby and
[40:34] yes so um so if we let's say we order
[40:38] whatever number the number of speed
[40:40] tables um what would you recommendation
[40:43] me in terms of how determining along
[40:46] with an that inash information would you
[40:49] have a recommendation in terms of
[40:57] could I put something together of course
[40:59] yeah I have some ideas of my head based
[41:01] off of just everything you said working
[41:03] with with SPD Brian Bri just just kind
[41:07] of got through a while ago but yes we
[41:08] could find locations that we think they
[41:10] would be
[41:12] advantageous as I said we Dwayne Avenue
[41:14] was a great one Rugby Road was a very
[41:16] good one put there are locations to put
[41:19] them and there are locations to to
[41:22] not and and so so if we're talking how
[41:25] long would you be able to come back and
[41:26] say these plac and are how
[41:34] many a couple of Cycles because next
[41:37] time I'm already coming back with
[41:38] something so then we can maybe make a
[41:40] little weekly Ted talk about traffic and
[41:43] safety okay listen I don't think it's a
[41:45] bad thing to know that people move and take consideration what's going on
[41:49] so I'm saying that thank you in two
[41:52] seconds and I wasn't suggesting that we
[41:54] needed it on the Plaza that was just Mr
[41:57] Lucho had made that was one of the
[41:58] studies that he had presented to us
[42:01] um I I don't remember when I mean in the
[42:03] last couple years but um I wasn't saying
[42:07] we have to do it there I'm open to
[42:09] whatever you all find in terms of the
[42:12] data and not to be cynical but that's
[42:17] just my nature a lot of times is that
[42:20] reducing it is a number so just mentally
[42:23] be prepared for reducing it to 25 not
[42:27] curing the city's ills absolutely okay
[42:30] because it's to me it sounds like we're
[42:34] really wishing here a lot that 25 is
[42:36] going to do a lot for everyone I well I
[42:39] don't think it's any magic thing go
[42:40] ahead and well no but I mean I guess I
[42:42] could say that there cities across the
[42:44] country and across the state that have
[42:46] been lowering it to 25 and we have
[42:48] research studies that are showing what
[42:51] going to 25 does do so it wasn't a
[42:54] random number that we picked and I also
[42:56] want to say that before I started any of
[42:58] these conversations uh a couple years
[43:00] ago I did talk with Chief Clifford who
[43:02] did think that um you know obviously
[43:06] exactly as you said I mean the
[43:07] enforcement is going to stay the same so
[43:10] um I mean probably people will go 30 um
[43:13] if we lower the speed limit to 25 um so
[43:17] you know there's a there's a range
[43:19] of think about your own driving habits
[43:21] but I mean there's a range of of speeds
[43:24] that people will go so even you know if
[43:26] we lower it it's going to increase
[43:28] safety because even if they're going
[43:31] above 25 hopefully they won't be going
[43:33] above 30 which is what they're doing now
[43:35] so um right I mean does that make sense
[43:39] certainly yeah there's a range of
[43:40] compliance and lowering it lowers that
[43:50] range so so Council um am I here are we
[43:55] saying that we are in favor of ordering
[43:57] some speed humps some addition speed
[44:01] tables is that what you're saying
[44:02] because that's I'm I'm suggesting that
[44:04] that's what be I'm suggesting that's an
[44:06] actionable step that we can take in the
[44:09] meantime because I think to Mr W's Point
[44:12] reducing the speed liment is not a cure
[44:14] all it's probably going to take multi
[44:16] different you know multi approach to get
[44:18] people to be in compliance and that
[44:20] seems like one of them so that seems
[44:21] like that's something that's within our
[44:23] capability and possibilities to doing so
[44:25] is that something that we should
[44:27] entertaining doing as soon as possible
[44:30] as we do these other things that's what
[44:32] I'm
[44:33] suggesting that's that's what I was
[44:35] suggesting that we look at that in the
[44:37] meantime we're completing the study but
[44:39] at the same time we're not dropping the
[44:40] ball we're going ahead look at the cost
[44:43] and look how much we can buy and put it
[44:46] out um into the hot spot throughout the
[44:49] city and at the same time we moving
[44:50] forward with the speed U reduction and
[44:53] also the enforcement and yes so what Mr
[44:56] W is saying you would be able to
[44:57] identify places also tell us how many
[45:00] would be needed and then we would also
[45:02] have to see what the budgetary impact is
[45:04] and where it comes where we pay we how
[45:06] we pay for as the budget so that's what
[45:09] he saying he'll come back in four weeks
[45:14] with do you have a question
[45:18] Mr all right so all of you also um
[45:22] received the uh the print of emails from
[45:25] Mr um Mr Colin did you have any
[45:27] questions from
[45:31] that all right so we we have a t talk
[45:34] next we T talk two weeks
[45:39] talk thank
[45:48] you something down all right all right
[45:52] this is government operations this point
[45:54] I like to call government operations
[45:55] order we have two
[45:57] items on the agenda the
[45:59] first changes to the Charter C6 through
[46:03] 8 change operating budget deadline and
[46:05] Mr
[46:06] Mayor thank you Mr chairman I submitted
[46:10] the proposed scenario and legislation to
[46:14] the
[46:15] council up to the
[46:18] council comments or discussion around
[46:21] that well um as I said the when we first
[46:26] received the legislation the request was
[46:29] that if the council did not pass the
[46:31] budget in a timely manner then the
[46:34] automatically revert to the mayor's
[46:36] budget which um I'm not supportive of I
[46:40] would be supportive of
[46:42] um reverting to Prior year spending and
[46:46] making amendments as we need to because
[46:49] part of what the council's
[46:51] responsibility is to make sure that we
[46:53] that we're passing a budget and we have
[46:56] some input in into what that budget
[46:58] looks like and given if we just say well
[47:02] if we don't pass it then automatic
[47:03] becomes the mayor's budget then we have
[47:05] no input in that budget uh so Mr O'Brien
[47:09] said in order to do this we have to
[47:13] um this has to be a referendum that's
[47:16] correct and there's a timelines now just
[47:18] I so could you go through the timeline
[47:20] yes what I'm going to do is go through
[47:22] the timeline um if you were to
[47:27] the timeline is uh to September 5th is a
[47:30] that's the
[47:32] deadline the public hearing uh for the
[47:35] city council pursu the municipal home rule law is optional but
[47:41] the mayor has to have a public hearing
[47:43] uh with 5 days
[47:45] notice
[47:47] so um looking at the council and
[47:51] committee schedule going through August
[47:54] and because of the schedule there's a
[47:56] week
[47:57] lost here um you could have a resolution
[48:01] calling for a public hearing on August
[48:03] 12th on the
[48:05] proposed on the proposed uh Charter
[48:09] amendment in between that on the August
[48:12] 5th you do have another committee cycle
[48:16] so if there's any amendments that you
[48:17] wish to propose at that time we can post
[48:20] it up if it's noted at the committee
[48:22] then it's it could be posted up uh at
[48:26] the public
[48:27] hearing for the
[48:30] 12th and then your next committee cycle
[48:32] is the 19th and then your final your
[48:35] final uh committee or council meeting
[48:38] for August is the 26th and that's really
[48:41] the last time that you could uh uh take
[48:45] action on this the reason being is that 26 their last council meeting at
[48:50] the end of the month the reason being is
[48:53] that the mayor has to have a public
[48:55] hearing that's mandatory of on Rural law
[48:58] and he has to get 5 days notice and that
[49:00] 5 days notice we get you to September we
[49:03] get you to September 3rd the Tuesday and
[49:06] then he would have the public hearing he
[49:08] could act on it that day fourth is a
[49:11] Tuesday to get the action of the
[49:12] paperwork together and the fifth is
[49:15] really the deadline to get it to the uh Board of Elections so that's the 26th
[49:21] is is the date in which you would have
[49:23] to
[49:25] uh pass the uh Charter Amendment if you
[49:28] wish to have it on the uh on the uh on
[49:34] the ballot this
[49:37] fall so I was reading something I looked
[49:41] up um CH Amendment with within the state
[49:43] of New York and so what one that you're
[49:46] suggesting is is because there's three
[49:48] what methods is by by initiative
[49:51] referendum is that one your suggest no no this is this is a Char it's not
[49:55] initiative this is being legislative
[49:58] Amendment so it's a charter amendment
[50:00] being the legislative process there's
[50:02] also a charter amendment process if
[50:03] there's a charter commission but that's
[50:06] not the the case here this is a
[50:08] legislative Le in other words you would
[50:11] have to pass it the mayor would then
[50:14] have to act upon it and upon the mayor's
[50:16] approval of what you passed then that
[50:19] goes before the voters fall so you're
[50:21] talking about the one by legislative
[50:22] action yes
[50:31] go
[50:32] ahead sorry I wasn't here the last I
[50:35] just want to point on have we ever
[50:38] considered I mean creating a charter
[50:40] revise commission to Lo at the entire
[50:44] Charter and to have this commission come
[50:46] back with us with recommendation to make
[50:49] a comprehensive change if possible um
[50:53] I'm not against what we're doing one
[50:55] piece of a time here
[50:57] but it would be nice if we can address
[50:59] the entire Charter look at updated stuff
[51:03] and try to move that for if there's any
[51:06] changes from us creating the revised
[51:10] Charter
[51:11] commission so I think that I'll give to
[51:14] and I think that that would be I I like
[51:16] the sound of that kind of not again not
[51:18] peace fing it I think you know the issue
[51:20] We R into would be this the deadline
[51:22] we're talking about now we clear we
[51:23] going be able to do that um this time it
[51:26] seems like what you're suggesting is
[51:29] again is more comprehensive let's do it
[51:30] all at one time because there's multiple
[51:33] places within the Char need to be
[51:37] updated you're still going to be looking
[51:39] at that deadline September 5th and you
[51:41] can see how timec consuming this would
[51:44] be if you're
[51:46] taking it would take take a long time to
[51:48] go through that in order then
[51:51] presented before the voters if I may
[51:54] have
[51:56] what what do we as a council need to do
[51:59] in order to create a revised Charter
[52:11] commission I don't know last time was
[52:15] done to put forth the voters
[52:22] rejected sorry the charter commiss
[52:24] commission yes and yeah the vot is
[52:28] rejected was the early 2000 staff volunteers and they
[52:36] think yeah so we would have to go sorry
[52:40] so we would have to go to the voting to
[52:41] create this
[52:42] commission may the mayor the commission
[52:46] but in order to create the commission to
[52:48] allow you to
[52:53] appoint I just the mayor would create a
[52:55] commission
[52:58] retion well I mean I like the idea of
[53:01] the entire Charter review it's not a bad
[53:03] idea um but I think in terms of this um
[53:07] issue at hand um I actually um did
[53:10] support at our last meeting um as
[53:14] presented uh what was presented to us at
[53:17] the last U meeting and a couple of
[53:19] points about that I think that it holds
[53:22] us more accountable also for um staying
[53:25] on a timeline and I think that we would
[53:28] have the opportunity we continue to have
[53:30] the opportunity as the city council to
[53:32] give input to the budget it is I think I U I think corfield said this at the
[53:39] last meeting and I agree that it is
[53:41] probably the
[53:42] fundamental uh uh responsibility that we
[53:46] each have um as City Council Members is
[53:49] to um review and pass um a budget that's
[53:54] going to meet the needs of of our city
[53:56] um but I I thought that what was
[53:59] presented to us was fair and reasonable
[54:01] and again um I would support it in the
[54:05] way that it was presented to us
[54:07] um
[54:10] so so um so the way it was presented is
[54:14] that really in my opinion that we really
[54:16] don't have to say because essentially we
[54:18] could submit all the changes we wanted
[54:20] but if they were changes that the mayor
[54:22] was not agreeable to then they could be veto and beo the time came
[54:27] then then he can do that he can do that
[54:29] in our that is absolutely correct it
[54:32] shows a lack of leadership on this
[54:33] Council for 50 years this legislative
[54:36] body has been able to go through a
[54:38] budget process come up with a budget and
[54:42] have it adoped in a timely manner last
[54:44] year was an embarrassment it didn't
[54:46] happen we made the commitment when we
[54:49] voted through the budget that we would
[54:52] put something before the voters to
[54:56] tighten up that system I will maintain
[54:59] the position today is that you can leave
[55:01] everything in place if you don't adopt a
[55:04] budget by November 1st I'm not going to
[55:06] dance around with it that my budget
[55:08] would stand that and that's what the
[55:11] case law is we talked about it talked
[55:13] about suing it I don't want to go
[55:15] through that this is a manner that again
[55:19] it works give you the budget by October
[55:22] 1st you have full 30 days to review it
[55:26] amend it modify it adopt it by November
[55:30] 1st and then we implement it January 1st
[55:33] well let's just be all 100% the reason
[55:35] that it took so long with the budget
[55:37] last year was about the ARA money where
[55:38] there was money that was one to not was
[55:41] not to use towards the budget but to use
[55:42] for a project that was upcoming that was
[55:44] the hold up with this budget because we
[55:46] wanted to spend that money and we
[55:48] weren't able to we wanted to spend the
[55:50] 2.5 million to do some things within the
[55:52] budget and we weren't able to it was
[55:54] being rejected because money was really
[55:56] being held for a project which
[55:57] ultimately got funded so that was part
[55:59] of the problem so the mayor is saying
[56:01] you know lack of leadership and all that
[56:03] so I've been having been here for 50
[56:04] years but it is also the first time in
[56:06] my 12 years that that's ever happened so
[56:08] it's not about the leadership that that
[56:10] is here it's about that particular thing
[56:12] that's the only thing that made it
[56:13] different now than in the past years is
[56:15] that there was aror money on the table
[56:17] that wanted to be set aside for a
[56:18] certain project and we wanted to use it
[56:20] within the budget so that was part of
[56:22] the hope so I don't anticipate that
[56:25] being the case again year um and in
[56:27] terms of you know having an exact like
[56:30] this I'm willing to support if the um if
[56:33] we pass a budget by November 1st then
[56:36] the mayor can't be un willing to SP that
[56:40] um and in addition to that Mr Mr O'Brien
[56:43] gave us information from various Comm
[56:45] municipalities about how they did what
[56:48] they did but I noticed that within all
[56:50] those municipalities or at least most of
[56:52] them they didn't have a 4-week time
[56:54] frame some of them weren't passing their
[56:55] until the the 30th of November haven't
[56:57] gotten on the same date that we did
[56:59] which is October 1st so there were those
[57:02] differences as well so it's not we're not apples and apples in
[57:06] terms of the of the municipalities even
[57:08] in times of the time frames of reviewing
[57:10] the budget and getting it
[57:12] passed so I think so the issue that um
[57:16] that I saw as is presented is that
[57:18] number one let's start on something that
[57:19] we all agree upon I started plac where
[57:22] there's some alignment and Alignment was
[57:24] say that there is a whole here in the
[57:25] chart there's no response to if this
[57:28] situation comes up there should be
[57:30] something um in the charg reflects how
[57:32] we forward we all agree on that so
[57:35] that's a good thing next thing to be is
[57:38] that if as presented if there's a
[57:41] certain timeline then once we pass a
[57:44] certain timeline then the um budget
[57:47] would go to the mayor's proposed budget
[57:50] it's how that's how it is presented
[57:52] which would mean effectively that if if
[57:56] city
[57:57] council and the mayor's office are not
[57:59] in agreement on items on the budget then
[58:04] once effectively the clock runs
[58:07] out then then our decision and our our
[58:12] ability to um add input to the budget is
[58:15] gone and it would just go to the
[58:17] proposed budget so what I really don't
[58:19] think that we should do is have have
[58:21] something where we can just run the
[58:23] clock out and by manner by means running
[58:26] clock are we compromise the checks and
[58:27] balances that are put in place for the
[58:29] reason that they put in place so what I
[58:31] think that's something that we might
[58:32] want to consider is that
[58:35] if you know by any stretch your
[58:38] imagination this happens again then we
[58:41] would operate from the existing budget
[58:44] not the not the uh uh the proposed
[58:47] budget but the existing budget because
[58:49] at least that's one budget that all
[58:51] parties were able to agree upon to get
[58:53] passed in the first place so I think
[58:55] that that is Le um I think that that
[58:57] would be a wise alternative for us to
[58:59] consider mrri I think you have your hand
[59:01] up first you still um making more notes
[59:04] okay so I I have um Four Points well
[59:07] Five Points because I do want to say
[59:08] that one of the big holdups in last
[59:11] year's budget discussions went around
[59:13] the overtime for the police on the fire
[59:15] um so we don't have to worry about the
[59:17] aror piece this year but we are going to
[59:19] need to um address the overtime again um
[59:22] so I just wanted to to comment on that I
[59:26] also think that I would hope that um the
[59:28] mayor would be um you know kind of we'd
[59:31] be in dialogue hopefully we would have
[59:33] communication between the mayor and the
[59:35] city council so that um as we were
[59:39] discussing the changes or the revisions
[59:41] that we might want to see um that there
[59:43] would be some back and forth there um
[59:46] and not just a blanket rejection of of
[59:49] anything that we would say I think that
[59:50] we would have a relationship where um
[59:53] we'd be able to to think about that I
[59:54] also want to suggest that we've been
[59:57] receiving now the budget reports from
[1:00:00] our finance staff and the reason that we
[1:00:02] asked for those budget reports was so
[1:00:05] that we would have a better handle as
[1:00:07] city council people on the budget on an
[1:00:10] ongoing basis um so that we don't get to
[1:00:13] the point at which the budget is
[1:00:15] presented to us and we you
[1:00:18] know can't see what the history the
[1:00:20] budget history has been over the over
[1:00:22] the past several months although I do
[1:00:24] want to say that I just wanted to add
[1:00:26] this in here um something I was thinking
[1:00:28] about when I was uh prepping for this
[1:00:30] meeting you know I I think that rather
[1:00:33] than getting the entire uh report uh
[1:00:36] from Finance it might be good if we had
[1:00:38] just a summary of here's the um you know
[1:00:41] if any of us are on you know have
[1:00:43] managed budgets or at our workplaces or
[1:00:46] on Boards of directors you know
[1:00:48] sometimes you see the highlights of you
[1:00:49] know this number is really high this
[1:00:51] month because of this or this month
[1:00:53] number is really low because of that I
[1:00:55] think might be actually better than just
[1:00:57] us getting you know multiple Pages uh to
[1:01:00] go through um so that's one of the other
[1:01:02] points I wanted to make and then I think
[1:01:04] you know again there's ways around this
[1:01:07] in terms of you know the staff obviously
[1:01:09] are putting in their budgets to the
[1:01:12] mayor I think right and then they
[1:01:14] probably argue uh or I should say
[1:01:17] discuss um their the the various
[1:01:19] department heads budgets um together um
[1:01:23] again remember that we hear from our
[1:01:25] department heads heads as well about
[1:01:27] what their budget um what what their
[1:01:29] needs are so maybe we think about the
[1:01:32] scheduling of those um maybe we have
[1:01:34] additional meetings where we hear uh
[1:01:37] staff I know on the library board that's one of the things that we do we have additional meetings um to hear
[1:01:43] from folks um so there's ways to make
[1:01:46] sure that our input is is being
[1:01:49] appreciated and listened to um as well
[1:01:53] as um understanding the process itself
[1:01:55] as it's going along so that's those are
[1:01:58] the one things I wanted to
[1:02:00] say um I agree with most of what M um
[1:02:04] Patrick says and a few other things so
[1:02:06] as far as
[1:02:07] um um you know the mayor and the
[1:02:11] department heads were very hard to try
[1:02:13] to get U an actual budget out to us um
[1:02:16] as far as a timeline we only have a
[1:02:18] month okay well we meet every night
[1:02:20] instead of once a week or twice a week
[1:02:22] when we do if we have to meet every
[1:02:24] night it's our responsibility to be
[1:02:26] fiscally responsible to the residence of
[1:02:28] this city so we want to go through this
[1:02:30] budget and we want to get it passed I I
[1:02:33] had no issue with going back to the
[1:02:34] mayor's proposed budget what I have an
[1:02:37] issue with it's using the existing
[1:02:39] budget so oh when we go back to the
[1:02:42] existing budget what about the rising
[1:02:44] costs of salary Health Care Staffing
[1:02:47] those things aren't in the in the in the
[1:02:49] mayor's budget that he's presenting to
[1:02:51] us so how can we go backwards we can't
[1:02:54] I'm that's just my opinion then to um so
[1:02:57] anyway um there there are a lot of
[1:02:59] options that we can do meet more
[1:03:01] frequently it's up to us to work
[1:03:03] together to get it passed and I I and if
[1:03:06] we don't then it resorts to his budget
[1:03:08] and that's it so that's my statement so
[1:03:13] I I appreciate your input on that I
[1:03:15] think that again there's a lot that's
[1:03:17] being said that are that are General
[1:03:19] truths that are widely accepted by
[1:03:21] council members I think that you know
[1:03:23] number one it is our responsibility and
[1:03:25] number two we do need to work together
[1:03:26] number three there are measures that we
[1:03:28] can take to ensure a smoother process
[1:03:30] and I think we've acted upon those I
[1:03:32] think that is I think that is would be
[1:03:34] not wise of us to Bas a process that we
[1:03:38] are entering in based on relationships
[1:03:42] right like I don't think that I think
[1:03:43] the reason why we have um these things
[1:03:46] in place is is for something that can
[1:03:48] govern our actions
[1:03:50] because you know we are looking at last
[1:03:54] year um there were some strain
[1:03:56] relationships but some of us were able
[1:03:58] to to talk and come to to good have good
[1:04:01] conversations and good compromise and
[1:04:04] yet still we still ended up in the place
[1:04:06] that we were so really the point of this
[1:04:08] is to address the fact that there that
[1:04:10] we cannot end up in the place that we were last year based on lack of
[1:04:15] relationships or however you know you're
[1:04:19] um getting to that point there should be
[1:04:21] something that says this is what we do
[1:04:23] if this then this and my only I think we
[1:04:26] all agree on that my only thing that I
[1:04:28] disagree with is saying that if then
[1:04:30] this if this then this if we just refer
[1:04:32] to a proposed budget then we are
[1:04:34] effectively saying that we are putting
[1:04:36] building in a process where the clock
[1:04:38] can be ran out not to say that that
[1:04:40] would happen not to say that our that the mayor would do that not to say
[1:04:43] that our council president would do that
[1:04:45] but I'm not going to make decisions
[1:04:48] based on people's relationships or
[1:04:50] ability to have conversations and we can
[1:04:52] do it in a way that says if this then
[1:04:55] this and it voids that dependent on
[1:04:58] people's willingness toate and I think
[1:05:00] that that doesn't that doesn't shorten
[1:05:02] our our accountability it doesn't extend
[1:05:05] our timeline it does all the things that was said those generally widely
[1:05:08] accepted truths that sound really good
[1:05:10] but don't really um move the needle on
[1:05:13] process
[1:05:14] itself Mr yeah so let me address some of
[1:05:17] the things that happened during last
[1:05:19] year budget and I can start off for
[1:05:21] saying that um there were lack of
[1:05:24] communication from the
[1:05:26] to us from us to the m I'm not going to
[1:05:28] hold back time we we we seem to lack
[1:05:30] that communication and I hope during the
[1:05:32] budget at the end budget I ask that hope
[1:05:35] that we can improve on our communication
[1:05:38] during that process and at the same time
[1:05:41] too we we need
[1:05:43] to some of us need to to have that in us
[1:05:46] that we we need to compromise last year
[1:05:48] we lacked that some of us on the council
[1:05:51] came here and they just dig their heel
[1:05:53] into the sand and we're not going to
[1:05:54] compromise we like the project and we
[1:05:56] just focus on that without every
[1:05:58] discussing at the table in terms of how
[1:06:00] can we make
[1:06:02] changes and those are the things we need
[1:06:04] to look at because we have a budget it's
[1:06:07] proposed budget in front of us as a
[1:06:08] council is the most important thing that
[1:06:10] we have as a council to do and we as a
[1:06:13] council have an obligation to our
[1:06:15] taxpayer last year many of us were
[1:06:17] concerned about
[1:06:19] taxes taxes that has burden the taxpayer
[1:06:23] year after year and some of us were
[1:06:26] concerned about that so that's why we
[1:06:28] were talking about that some of us we
[1:06:29] were talking about over time over time
[1:06:32] we were talking about we're improving
[1:06:33] we're increasing the higher ring in
[1:06:35] various department where is the
[1:06:37] accountability when it comes to the time
[1:06:40] I would like to see that we are full
[1:06:42] capacity in some department so more than
[1:06:45] likely see in this budget at the end of
[1:06:47] the year that over time we see a
[1:06:50] reduction in over time at the same time
[1:06:52] we're we're wrapping up Staffing so we
[1:06:54] can have both at the same time have over
[1:06:57] time and have full capacity Staffing and
[1:06:59] that's something that we addressed last
[1:07:01] year in terms of our concern and in
[1:07:03] terms of fees and taxes taxpayer are
[1:07:06] boring enough out there we as a council
[1:07:09] need to help to protect them they can
[1:07:11] actually continue to pay taxes every
[1:07:13] year every year after year and we what
[1:07:15] are we doing we're going to come here
[1:07:17] we're going to throw back and we going
[1:07:18] to say okay there's a budget proposal in
[1:07:20] front of us let's vote for it a matter
[1:07:23] games what it's in the budget we we need
[1:07:25] to look at the budget as a council and
[1:07:28] suggest changes and be ready to
[1:07:31] compromise and to move forward and let's
[1:07:33] have a budget so that we don't fall back
[1:07:35] what happened last
[1:07:39] year I think um I just want to address
[1:07:41] the overtime issue again because
[1:07:43] although we do have um in our budget the
[1:07:46] ability um for full Staffing we don't
[1:07:48] have full Staffing because we haven't
[1:07:50] been successful necessarily at
[1:07:53] encouraging people to come on board I
[1:07:56] mean we've hired folks but we aren't I
[1:07:58] don't think that we I think we have
[1:07:59] openings in other words not to mention
[1:08:01] that we've had illness we've had you
[1:08:03] know retirements etc etc so the overtime
[1:08:06] is still being used and I think that
[1:08:08] what we're going to see is
[1:08:10] that I think that we were presented with
[1:08:13] realistic numbers for those overtime and
[1:08:15] I think when we get to see what the
[1:08:17] actuals are in a few months um they'll
[1:08:19] match some of those overtime figures but
[1:08:23] I guess we'll have to see
[1:08:27] so in terms of us not like hearing I
[1:08:30] have to tell you I really really one of
[1:08:33] the things we talked about during the
[1:08:34] last budget cycle was to have the um
[1:08:38] finance department come to us with all
[1:08:40] the information so for me short cutting
[1:08:42] it um I'm not I would just like I I
[1:08:45] would personally like to see like to see
[1:08:47] all of it and they can give us the high
[1:08:50] but have the information to go through
[1:08:52] because that's what we talked about last
[1:08:53] year because we have this is one month
[1:08:56] abreviated time frankly to do what what
[1:08:59] they presented to us for a Year's worth
[1:09:01] of time so which is why we said we would
[1:09:02] do it and I believe we should continue
[1:09:04] to do that and hear all of it and in
[1:09:07] terms of um I know it's consistently we
[1:09:08] said we have to trust our staff and Etc
[1:09:11] but the budget that we see is not
[1:09:13] necessarily what the staff's presented
[1:09:15] the staff presents their budget to the
[1:09:16] mayor the mayor then presents the budget
[1:09:19] with whatever changes or adjustments
[1:09:21] made that that it comes to the council
[1:09:22] so um it's not we're not necessar seeing
[1:09:25] the exact budget that the staff
[1:09:27] submitted to for that they they want
[1:09:30] because everybody has a huge wish
[1:09:32] friendly what they would like to see and
[1:09:34] then that's not always oversee so I just
[1:09:35] want to make that clear consistently
[1:09:38] said we should take into consideration
[1:09:39] when our staff said we don't always see
[1:09:42] everything that they want they want yes
[1:09:45] I I I definitely agree with them but I
[1:09:47] do think we also had the opportunity for
[1:09:49] staff came and did still tell us uh what
[1:09:52] their wish list had been so although it
[1:09:55] might not have matched what ultimately
[1:09:57] was presented uh to us we still had that
[1:10:00] opportunity to hear uh from department
[1:10:03] heads um what their initial budget
[1:10:06] requests were to that to that point then
[1:10:10] just gives us yes but to that point then
[1:10:13] if we
[1:10:15] um if last year if we went to the
[1:10:19] proposed budget and that proposed budget
[1:10:22] might have not directly reflected
[1:10:26] the staffs of wish if you will I think
[1:10:28] that that's a pretty reason expectation
[1:10:30] for any budget
[1:10:32] however to Mr M Bar's point I mean we
[1:10:36] can't have right this is not something
[1:10:39] where where multiple things are going to
[1:10:40] be true at the same time as it relates
[1:10:42] to whether we as as council members have
[1:10:46] um an appropriate level of um checks and
[1:10:49] balances um through the budgetary
[1:10:51] process so if we build in something that
[1:10:54] that's going to say by this
[1:10:57] date it's going to revert back to the
[1:11:00] proposed budget when the the likely
[1:11:04] issue why we wouldn't be able to get to
[1:11:07] uh an agreement is because we have
[1:11:09] strong disagreements with the proposed
[1:11:10] budget that completely guts our ability
[1:11:13] to make decisions and and I just think
[1:11:15] that that will be the responsible for us
[1:11:16] to do this C that's why that's going to
[1:11:19] what was had already been collectively
[1:11:21] pass with whatever amendments need to be
[1:11:23] made um in order to make sure that we
[1:11:25] are still operating um and doing the
[1:11:28] city's
[1:11:31] business and then no
[1:11:35] sorry sorry thank you um so as far as I
[1:11:40] mean we should really be looking at how
[1:11:41] we increase Revenue in the city as well
[1:11:44] I mean we're all residents here we all
[1:11:46] pay the taxes we all pay the trash tax
[1:11:48] we all pay city taxes school taxes it's
[1:11:51] part of our responsibility for being
[1:11:53] residents here our service es in this
[1:11:55] city are half Notch 100% when you think
[1:11:58] of our trash and our snow removal and
[1:12:00] everything that happens here so we have
[1:12:03] a a great City and great resources here
[1:12:06] um but why should the city I don't want
[1:12:09] to pay any more taxes than I pay but why
[1:12:11] should the city as a whole have to pay
[1:12:16] for residents um in the sense that why should we operate at a loss is what
[1:12:22] I'm saying so
[1:12:26] you know we need to at
[1:12:29] times take
[1:12:31] into consideration that Rising costs go
[1:12:35] up salary goes up everything goes up so
[1:12:38] I mean we can't so what we should be
[1:12:40] looking at is how do increase our
[1:12:41] Revenue maybe fees but again if we
[1:12:45] increase our revenues with fees then our
[1:12:47] residents are still paying more money so
[1:12:50] it's it's what I'm saying is you know
[1:12:55] I I I'm just wondering where you're
[1:12:57] coming from Mr Mo there so no I'm not
[1:12:59] coming from anywhere I'm just saying a
[1:13:01] broad topic sure so you mentioned about
[1:13:03] uh increasing Revenue right we shouldn't
[1:13:06] look at fees only cuz if you're looking
[1:13:08] fees we're tax and tax payers all the
[1:13:10] time right why don't you or the council
[1:13:12] since you're talking about come up with
[1:13:14] some solution in terms of how do we
[1:13:15] expand our tax base and a council we
[1:13:18] should look at it AB I'm suggest that
[1:13:19] you take the sphar head in that because
[1:13:21] you're talking about expanding
[1:13:23] increasing fees we can increasing fees
[1:13:25] we got to look across we got to look
[1:13:27] across the board how do we increase um
[1:13:29] our Revenue great last budget I did
[1:13:32] mention about I'm looking at the fees
[1:13:35] across the fees of service across the
[1:13:37] city I'm actually meeting with the with
[1:13:40] the finance department and finance staff
[1:13:43] and department head in terms of coming
[1:13:45] up with a comprehensive fee proposal to
[1:13:47] this Council we are hoping to have that
[1:13:50] everything goes well next month present
[1:13:52] to the council a comprehensive uh fee
[1:13:55] proposal for us to review and move
[1:13:57] forward in terms of that but to your
[1:14:00] point we should look beyond that yes we
[1:14:03] should talk about how we increase
[1:14:05] um other Revenue other than um fees that
[1:14:10] we're providing for water and garage
[1:14:12] because that is already at to a level
[1:14:15] what some people think it's maximum we
[1:14:16] shouldn't be charging more so we as a
[1:14:19] council we should get to work and look
[1:14:21] at how we can increase our Revenue yeah
[1:14:24] and I think it should be important to
[1:14:26] note that this is not something as a
[1:14:29] council we should be doing in response
[1:14:32] to um you know how we work our way
[1:14:34] through this legislation that's
[1:14:36] literally our job anyway we should
[1:14:38] always be looking at Le to increase
[1:14:39] Revenue so again sometimes some of them
[1:14:41] more widely understood the wisely said
[1:14:44] truths though they sound true and they
[1:14:46] are true might not be applicable to what
[1:14:49] we're talking about in point is just not
[1:14:51] either or it's a yes and so yes we
[1:14:53] should be increasing re looking for ways
[1:14:55] to increase Revenue in the city yes we
[1:14:57] should be working um with the mayor's
[1:14:59] office yes we should be in more in clear
[1:15:02] communication um I think that you know
[1:15:04] in my experience uh though it happened
[1:15:07] later on in the process um you know the
[1:15:10] mayor I know the mayor made some
[1:15:11] concessions that in order to get um the
[1:15:14] budget passed I'm sure he wasn't happy
[1:15:16] of it I know that talking with some of
[1:15:17] our my my council members get some
[1:15:20] concessions that's the whole thing
[1:15:22] that's the whole part of point of the
[1:15:24] negotiation ens sure everyone did that
[1:15:26] in good faith for the citizens of s so
[1:15:29] we will find ourselves in that position
[1:15:31] every year because that's our job so
[1:15:34] again the point is that I I wouldn't
[1:15:36] want to have anything where we end up um
[1:15:39] where our ability to negotiate in good
[1:15:41] faith with the mayor or amongst one
[1:15:43] another um is compromised so Mr Mayor
[1:15:48] thank you Mr chairman want to recap a
[1:15:51] couple things that Financial monthly
[1:15:53] Financial reports have been provided to
[1:15:55] the
[1:15:57] council every year every month since
[1:16:00] 2012 I can't remember if I did it when
[1:16:04] first came in in
[1:16:06] 2011 so those reports you want the city
[1:16:09] clerk reach council member individually
[1:16:11] so getting those monthly reports is
[1:16:14] nothing
[1:16:14] new uh the big issue last year with the
[1:16:20] budget I had asked the council I forget
[1:16:24] 10 days days before I submitted my
[1:16:26] budget to you were there any comments
[1:16:29] changes uh that you wanted there's no
[1:16:31] response to that put the budget out your
[1:16:35] review took and initially
[1:16:37] cut a large amount of money out of
[1:16:40] Public Safety
[1:16:43] overtime I couldn't fully support that s
[1:16:46] in The veto the budget we came back then
[1:16:49] fully
[1:16:50] restored the public safety largely
[1:16:53] overtime budget and made cuts across the
[1:16:56] board in nonpublic
[1:16:58] safety and it didn't make sense or could
[1:17:01] I support a shift in that where you were
[1:17:05] taking it from the nonpublic
[1:17:07] safety and again I've done 10 budgets to
[1:17:12] member of the city council chaired the
[1:17:14] finance committee for every one of those
[1:17:17] had the opportunity to serve for a dozen
[1:17:19] years as
[1:17:21] mayor we've always negotiated with staff
[1:17:24] members
[1:17:25] and when I asked for we wanted Cuts in
[1:17:27] public safety to go back to the police
[1:17:29] and fire department and let them make
[1:17:31] those changes no the council locked into
[1:17:34] specific budget items that I couldn't
[1:17:37] support nor could the department have to
[1:17:39] support and then the shift in the other
[1:17:42] direction to non-public safety just
[1:17:44] seemed to be a play to try and get what
[1:17:48] I thought was this Patrick's vote in the
[1:17:50] whole thing because you were advocating
[1:17:52] very heavily for the public safety
[1:17:56] I want to work with you I'm proud of the
[1:17:59] record that I have I'm proud of the
[1:18:00] record that we have as a community and
[1:18:03] you look at the things that have
[1:18:04] happened other cities and areas around
[1:18:07] here are envious of the success that we
[1:18:10] had and it's because of the competence
[1:18:12] that we have in the professional staff
[1:18:14] our Partnerships with other levels of
[1:18:16] government and businesses and Community
[1:18:18] leaders that produce Real Results here
[1:18:22] so I again look forward to working with
[1:18:24] you in this budg process the proposal
[1:18:26] that I have put forth is a charter
[1:18:29] amendment I believe serves the needs of
[1:18:32] us in the short term and we'll clear up
[1:18:35] any ambiguities going forward in the
[1:18:37] future no matter who happens to be
[1:18:38] sitting as mayor or member of the city
[1:18:40] council and I would appreciate your
[1:18:42] consideration and support for that just
[1:18:45] a followup on that does the uh Council
[1:18:49] wish to call for a public hearing you
[1:18:52] know resolution form for the public
[1:18:53] hearing next week
[1:18:55] I for the resolution P for the public he
[1:18:57] next week for the public hearing to be
[1:18:59] held on August
[1:19:02] 12 I
[1:19:05] we're
[1:19:07] otherwise well I mean otherwise we're
[1:19:09] not going to be able to stick to this
[1:19:10] time table in in time for this year's
[1:19:13] budget it's not it's not going to affect
[1:19:15] this year's budget oh that's true that's
[1:19:17] right that's right that's right I'm
[1:19:21] sorry the which means then you're
[1:19:24] looking had an entire cycle through
[1:19:27] thank you yeah
[1:19:29] so it's you know if you're calling for
[1:19:32] the public hearing that's the public
[1:19:33] hearing on
[1:19:36] 12 and the public hearing based on has
[1:19:39] what's here right before I mean it's
[1:19:44] uh obviously it's not obligating anybody
[1:19:47] to you know vote for the the proposal
[1:19:49] it's just what's what's there and if
[1:19:53] there's any Amendment to this and
[1:19:57] uh certainly you
[1:19:59] can perhaps deal with that on your
[1:20:02] August 5th meeting you want to have any
[1:20:05] amendments to
[1:20:07] this PO getting it to the you know
[1:20:11] posted prior to the 12th and then that
[1:20:14] will give you one last committee cycle
[1:20:17] we would be on
[1:20:20] 19th to tweet one last time before you
[1:20:22] voted on the 26th that's the last that's
[1:20:26] not having any special meetings not
[1:20:28] adjourning any meetings I'm just giving
[1:20:29] you you know according to your current
[1:20:33] [Applause]
[1:20:36] schedule public hearing we can
[1:20:40] maintain time that's going to happen
[1:20:43] from my colleagues on
[1:20:46] to the thought of if that if we go for
[1:20:50] that way then to mr's ear pointment r
[1:20:54] that kind of larger more comprehensive
[1:20:57] change to char that does when apply for
[1:21:02] doing
[1:21:03] so um so you're asking us to move for
[1:21:06] health public hearing as what was
[1:21:08] presented to us what was presented you
[1:21:10] also have two committee cycles in which
[1:21:12] to review it again you'll have the
[1:21:14] committee cycle on the 5th you'll have
[1:21:17] the committee cycle on the 12 looking at
[1:21:20] the final time you can vote on is on the
[1:21:22] 26th but it's just moving the
[1:21:27] process yes as I stated earlier I
[1:21:30] am I'm leaning toward maybe you know the
[1:21:35] commission a chart to
[1:21:36] revise commission to look at the entire
[1:21:40] chart and make recommendation including
[1:21:43] this comment back to the budet and come
[1:21:46] back to us and then we forward to to to amend the
[1:21:50] other I there are a lot of things that
[1:21:53] we should look at to change
[1:21:55] the Char not only the budget provision
[1:21:59] but many other
[1:22:06] things well I just want to say I think I would support um having a public
[1:22:11] hearing on on the 12 um for this
[1:22:14] particular change to the Charter I also
[1:22:17] support the idea of the mayor um you
[1:22:20] know appointing a commission that would
[1:22:21] do a longer term uh Charter but that's
[1:22:25] going to take time to review the entire
[1:22:28] Charter and come back with
[1:22:29] recommendations Etc to change you know
[1:22:31] if there are changes to be made um
[1:22:34] that's going to be a pretty
[1:22:35] comprehensive process so I think that we
[1:22:37] miss the vote on um being able to
[1:22:45] [Music]
[1:22:47] get and I publicly made the commitment
[1:22:51] you made the commitment to Farley the
[1:22:52] council collectively made the commitment
[1:22:55] that we would put something to the
[1:22:57] voters this year to clear up the
[1:23:00] ambiguity that exists within the process
[1:23:04] played out last
[1:23:07] year I I I would support the comparing I like the proposal I think that does
[1:23:14] put in um some safeguards so we don't we
[1:23:18] avoid what happened last year and moving
[1:23:20] forward uh we have a month for us to
[1:23:22] come together I think in watching last year it wasn't so much with the
[1:23:26] mayor as well that the council wasn't in
[1:23:28] agreement it give us many items um it
[1:23:32] gives us that 30 days for us to come
[1:23:34] together and put a budget forward for
[1:23:37] the mayor to consider and it puts in
[1:23:41] those safeguards that if we can't do
[1:23:44] that it would fall back to his his
[1:23:47] budget but that we have 30 days us as a
[1:23:50] council and and we probably have an idea
[1:23:53] moving up to October first about what
[1:23:55] how things are looking so we can start
[1:23:57] to have conversations and and you know
[1:23:59] where are the areas that we may not be
[1:24:01] AG agreement agreeing on and then we can
[1:24:04] have dialogue with the mayor saying you
[1:24:06] once you get that budget you know these
[1:24:08] are things that we're having some
[1:24:09] concern but begin that conversations and
[1:24:12] then we can continue to work towards a
[1:24:14] budget that works for everyone I think
[1:24:16] there should be something if we don't
[1:24:18] agree you know that's on us and then may
[1:24:20] or take it um we couldn't come up with a plan and that works the only
[1:24:26] thing is is like in in that 30 days
[1:24:29] we're having those conversations like we
[1:24:31] all come up with the plan that we agree
[1:24:34] on you can still be it obviously right
[1:24:38] and then we come back and we have V
[1:24:40] override now if we come up with a budget
[1:24:42] that we all agree to it's we should have
[1:24:45] an agreement that we could override the
[1:24:49] beo right I mean if we all members come
[1:24:52] up with a budget buy the of the month
[1:24:55] that we all agree on and it goes to the
[1:24:58] mayor and he vetos it right then if we
[1:25:01] all agree we could override
[1:25:05] veto so that system is already in place
[1:25:07] it takes five votes to over ride a veto
[1:25:10] four to pass it five to
[1:25:12] over so um but my recommendation is if
[1:25:16] we pass it then the mayor cannot be it
[1:25:18] because we've come to an agreement so
[1:25:20] that just takes that ey off the table as
[1:25:22] opposed to it does doesn't pass and then
[1:25:25] it reverts to the to the mayor's budget
[1:25:27] so that's that would be my
[1:25:29] recommendation that if we could come
[1:25:31] together the council agrees be able to
[1:25:33] pass this Budget on time that that that
[1:25:36] removes The veto Pack
[1:25:44] Mr it's an interesting question I don't
[1:25:47] you can't reduce the authority of an
[1:25:48] elected official during the term of
[1:25:50] office so you can't say or today I can
[1:25:53] veto
[1:25:55] [Applause]
[1:25:56] uh attain directly to the voters just
[1:25:59] creates a kind ofed process and again
[1:26:03] what we have is a fairly simple
[1:26:07] straightforward clarification some of
[1:26:10] the things that happened last year that
[1:26:11] left us in limbo and again I would ask
[1:26:14] the council's support to move forward
[1:26:17] with this uh you do the public
[1:26:20] hearing if there's comments one way or
[1:26:23] the other you have to take those into
[1:26:25] consideration but I do not believe there
[1:26:27] will be any overwhelming public push
[1:26:31] back from the scenario that I've put
[1:26:33] forth for your
[1:26:35] consideration and I would just also
[1:26:37] caution as a that these type of changes
[1:26:39] that we're talking about that we're
[1:26:41] making this is not necessarily um just
[1:26:44] impacting
[1:26:45] um you know or based on the Dynamics or
[1:26:48] the people that are in seats now we have
[1:26:50] to be forward thinking around what are
[1:26:53] the appropriate checks and balances to
[1:26:55] operate as as the government City's
[1:26:57] connected again that's why the the
[1:27:00] conversations around what what happened
[1:27:04] last year I think that the thought has
[1:27:06] to be not just about what happened last
[1:27:09] year but what happened last year was
[1:27:11] that we saw oh that there's something
[1:27:13] there's an adjustment that needs to be
[1:27:14] made not just based on what happened
[1:27:16] last year but what possibly could happen
[1:27:18] moving forward in the city is connected
[1:27:21] so we have to make our decisions based
[1:27:23] on that not not based on the person
[1:27:25] who's in U that set seat right now but
[1:27:29] based on what's best for checks and
[1:27:30] Balan Tove for people
[1:27:35] s well the mayor says that know we can't
[1:27:39] take away his how however I I feel like
[1:27:42] this particular um the way that this
[1:27:46] Charter revision amendment is being put
[1:27:49] forward essentially takes away the power
[1:27:51] or the the power and I think it our
[1:27:54] level of responsibility that we commit
[1:27:56] to for the council so absolutely so so it sounds like what we're saying is
[1:28:03] that is that we all agree that something
[1:28:06] needs to be done and we can do something
[1:28:10] however
[1:28:11] the point of of disagreement will be what happens
[1:28:19] with the um what's the next step if we
[1:28:22] get to the point we don't make that bu
[1:28:23] so if if there's not agreed to F bu so
[1:28:26] again what I'm suggesting is that we
[1:28:28] come up with something that would say
[1:28:30] that we would go with the existing
[1:28:32] budget and amend based on on on
[1:28:36] inflation and and
[1:28:38] cost cost of Life increases I think that would cover
[1:28:43] um the the rising expenses that you're
[1:28:46] talking about and it still will be a
[1:28:48] budget that was agreed upon by a body at
[1:28:51] that at that time it wouldn't just be a
[1:28:52] matter of of the clock running out and
[1:28:55] then once the clock's R 12 you have no
[1:28:59] um no say so and you can go back to the
[1:29:02] original proposed budget that likely
[1:29:05] would be the reason why you had to disre
[1:29:07] to be done I just think that that that
[1:29:08] doesn't look down for that doesn't sound
[1:29:12] wise to
[1:29:15] me so am I right this is just calling
[1:29:18] for a public hear call for for a public
[1:29:20] hearing only okay we have two months if
[1:29:22] we want to add or subtract something to
[1:29:24] it but whether we do or don't it's going
[1:29:27] out to the to the to the city is
[1:29:29] connected to the
[1:29:31] voters let them be the final
[1:29:36] charge but the public hearing is on what
[1:29:38] we present correct so I'm saying to you
[1:29:42] I'm not agreeing with that to present
[1:29:43] that that's what I'm saying to you AG to
[1:29:46] present that I understand but you're
[1:29:47] saying just put it out there because
[1:29:48] it's a public hearing and I'm saying the
[1:29:50] public hearing says public this is what
[1:29:52] we're presenting to you we would like
[1:29:53] your input on that and I'm saying to you
[1:29:55] that I am not in agreement with what is
[1:29:57] being presented for the public here have
[1:30:00] you come up with something that I gave
[1:30:01] what but the mayor said it's it's not
[1:30:04] acceptable I haven't seen anything from
[1:30:07] you that in the package
[1:30:11] today yes no in this no just the only
[1:30:14] thing that we had was from the last time
[1:30:16] is just in this discussion
[1:30:21] [Applause]
[1:30:26] I guess um I I would
[1:30:28] have with respect to everyone that's
[1:30:32] giving input here but um I think
[1:30:37] that we
[1:30:39] have we have folks that are going to
[1:30:42] present to us a budget I mean I guess I
[1:30:46] don't feel like we should be just
[1:30:48] looking at the current budget I mean
[1:30:50] they are going to look at the current
[1:30:51] budget I guess where here
[1:30:54] the the staff and the mayor will be
[1:30:56] using the budget for 2024 right which I
[1:31:00] think is what you're suggesting would be
[1:31:02] what we would revert back to if it could
[1:31:04] come to agreement but they will be
[1:31:06] looking at inre right no I get that but
[1:31:09] I I guess I would say that it's my guess
[1:31:13] um that the mayor and the department
[1:31:15] heads will be using that and will be
[1:31:18] making the appropriate cost of building
[1:31:19] adjustments and the adjustments for the
[1:31:21] raises and Etc on the 2024 budget to
[1:31:26] begin with I mean I think that's what
[1:31:28] that would be part of platform that they
[1:31:30] would that they would have to
[1:31:32] also start from when they are uh looking
[1:31:35] at the 2025 budget so you know I think
[1:31:38] that's just part of the process of
[1:31:40] planning a budget um that they would
[1:31:43] themselves be doing that and it would be
[1:31:45] part of the 2025 budget as presented by
[1:31:48] the
[1:31:49] mayor just
[1:31:54] I was going to say yes I am some of that
[1:31:56] and yes so yes and so yes I'm sure that
[1:31:59] that's part of the calculations that would be made
[1:32:03] however if for referencing um last year
[1:32:06] it wasn't just part of those
[1:32:08] calculations that were being made that
[1:32:10] was some of the points again it was it
[1:32:12] was aror money um and there so there
[1:32:14] were some unique circumstances which I
[1:32:16] think in unique circumstances you can
[1:32:18] find yourself in new situation I don't
[1:32:20] know what the future holds but had there
[1:32:22] been something in the charter that we
[1:32:24] could refer back to it would have
[1:32:26] increased our likelihood to not going
[1:32:28] through as much as what we can through
[1:32:30] in order to get what we have to get so
[1:32:33] my thing is yes I believe again that
[1:32:34] there needs to be something and to the
[1:32:36] mayor's point we did commit to put
[1:32:38] something um uh on the ballot for voters
[1:32:41] to vote on and my point is that I agree
[1:32:45] with that I just don't I I don't agree
[1:32:47] with that one piece of it and I think
[1:32:49] that that really limits checks and
[1:32:50] balances and our our our our respons
[1:32:53] responsibility and Our obligation to um
[1:32:56] put forth a balanced agreed upon budget
[1:32:59] I Feel Like We can't agree upon what's
[1:33:02] presented in front of us to say well if
[1:33:03] you can't agree upon it make agreement
[1:33:06] by this thing we're just going to go
[1:33:07] with that anyway I just to me I don't
[1:33:10] see the logic that that really limits
[1:33:12] our our our ability to fill our schope
[1:33:14] to
[1:33:18] work I mean we can all not have this
[1:33:21] conversation if we if we as a counil
[1:33:23] decide to work together we need to
[1:33:25] compromise we cannot come to the
[1:33:27] discussion during the budget and we come
[1:33:30] there we open our books and we're not
[1:33:32] making any good faith suggestion good
[1:33:36] faith um effort to help us to arrive at
[1:33:38] a buet that is workable to the city to
[1:33:42] the staff to the taxpayer we need to
[1:33:45] change our approach when we discussing
[1:33:47] have an open mind all this discussion
[1:33:50] will be useless we're talking about if
[1:33:52] we can put a good fate effort to
[1:33:55] negotiate and to compromise and to look
[1:33:58] out for everyone this this is like this
[1:34:01] is useless yeah we should have a budget
[1:34:04] we need to compromise we need to open we
[1:34:07] need to open communication at the end
[1:34:09] for counil member along with the mayor
[1:34:11] was able to compromise and able to have
[1:34:13] a budget at the
[1:34:15] end and we were able to achieve that
[1:34:18] four council member along the mayor so
[1:34:20] we should give the four council member
[1:34:22] the mayor credit at that point in time
[1:34:23] and we were able to achieve that all of
[1:34:25] us need to work collectively come to the
[1:34:27] table with an open mind don't open your
[1:34:29] book and you have no questions you're
[1:34:31] not seeking no answer to the budget it
[1:34:34] shows that we lack our our ability to go
[1:34:37] through the budget and to come up with
[1:34:39] questions and to seek answers and to
[1:34:42] make meaningful recommendation as to how
[1:34:45] we move forward not because we have a
[1:34:48] budget that present to us it's a budget
[1:34:51] it's everybody is going to ask for from
[1:34:53] A to Z we as a council need to say no
[1:34:56] we're not going to give you from A to Z
[1:34:58] we're going to give you as much as we
[1:35:00] can and at the same time we have to look
[1:35:02] up for taxpayers so I think yes I agree
[1:35:05] with everything that you said Mr W I
[1:35:07] think that you know my conversations
[1:35:10] with the mayor um towards the late hours
[1:35:14] of of the budget process um with support
[1:35:17] of council members they were fruitful
[1:35:18] conversations and again I I appreciate
[1:35:21] and appla the Mak discussions that he
[1:35:23] did as I do um same to my colleagues um
[1:35:27] as you all did and we got it done so but
[1:35:30] again this
[1:35:31] isn't uh legislation just based in that
[1:35:34] one
[1:35:35] scenario and you know I agree with the
[1:35:38] compromise piece because you know what
[1:35:41] I'm not saying is Well if we can't come
[1:35:44] up with a budget at this date then it
[1:35:47] refer then then the budget refers to a
[1:35:49] budget the proposed budget of the
[1:35:51] majority of the city council I'm not
[1:35:53] saying that right because to me I think
[1:35:55] that that would be completely uh
[1:35:57] undermining the mayor's office uh
[1:36:00] ability to negotiate and act in good
[1:36:03] place so I'm saying that wouldn't be
[1:36:05] good for for the council to be able to
[1:36:08] say oh times out you just go now you
[1:36:11] just got a Mr Mayor tough luck you just
[1:36:12] have to go with what we're saying and it
[1:36:14] wouldn't be good for the mayor's office
[1:36:17] to say that to us either I don't think
[1:36:19] that there's going to be a problem
[1:36:21] moving forward I agree that the mayor um
[1:36:23] he demonstrated his willingness to work
[1:36:24] with us as a council and make
[1:36:26] concessions I appreciate that but again
[1:36:27] it's not just about the mayor that's
[1:36:29] sitting in front of you right now or
[1:36:31] whether there about their council
[1:36:32] members sit this legislation has to be
[1:36:35] about maintaining certain checks and
[1:36:37] balances so I don't think that the
[1:36:38] council should be able to make that
[1:36:39] decision by default in just Round the
[1:36:41] Clock and I don't think that that's
[1:36:42] something that's Happ from the
[1:36:45] me thank you Mr chairman just to follow
[1:36:47] on some of your earlier comments looking
[1:36:49] at these Charters from the other
[1:36:52] surrounding cities they may have
[1:36:53] different time frames as far as their
[1:36:56] fiscal years are based Amsterdam's in
[1:36:59] the middle of the Year others are you
[1:37:01] know out in December but what the
[1:37:04] commonality is is is going full
[1:37:08] conversations here is it's a recognition
[1:37:11] that it's not just the people in the
[1:37:12] room at that particular time that
[1:37:16] it's so whether it be Amsterdam or ALB
[1:37:19] or Troy they all put this a similar
[1:37:22] system in in the the case where the
[1:37:26] mayor and the council could not come to
[1:37:28] an agreement that both sides would then
[1:37:31] have their full input into the
[1:37:34] process if the council doesn't anything
[1:37:37] then they they've defaulted their
[1:37:39] position and then the mayor's position
[1:37:42] is adopted if the mayor doesn't open
[1:37:44] anything with the council's amended
[1:37:45] budget then that he he has
[1:37:50] uh vacated his his position as far
[1:37:55] as he's waved his position he's waved
[1:37:59] his position but the council if he does
[1:38:02] do something the council can override
[1:38:05] that and the council's
[1:38:08] veto if it's
[1:38:10] overridden be the council's budget so
[1:38:13] it's going the back and forth each side
[1:38:16] having their opportunity to have some
[1:38:19] say in the
[1:38:20] budget and each side Rec each every side
[1:38:24] having that Authority that they
[1:38:25] inherently have the override The
[1:38:29] veto and but and whether you know
[1:38:31] whether the council not doing their position uh doing anything by the
[1:38:35] deadline or the mayor not doing anything
[1:38:37] by the mayor's deadline um the budget
[1:38:41] will be as amended by the council or not
[1:38:45] acted by the council okay as the case
[1:38:47] may be will become it become the the
[1:38:51] budget I think each one of those looking
[1:38:54] at each one of those some cities went
[1:38:56] into a deeper dive in detail like the
[1:38:58] city of troit um others more streamline
[1:39:03] like Amsterdam and alies in the middle
[1:39:07] but it recognizes that it's not just
[1:39:10] people this is prospectively right this
[1:39:12] is prospectively with a recognition each
[1:39:16] sides part of the
[1:39:19] process that's that's just fine
[1:39:26] just one historical note there was one
[1:39:27] budget that I chaired the finance
[1:39:29] committee
[1:39:31] that Council made changes to the mayor
[1:39:34] didn't like the mayor vetoed it and the
[1:39:37] council overrode it 70 adap to the
[1:39:39] budget Mr was one of
[1:39:48] s so
[1:39:53] um what I suggest you know maybe call
[1:39:57] for the public hearing because we're losing a week home for the public
[1:40:00] hearing you're going to be back here in
[1:40:02] a couple of weeks we on the 5th of
[1:40:04] August for another committee meeting if
[1:40:07] you want to mark up what's before you at
[1:40:09] that time then we can work on that and
[1:40:12] then upload it in time for the public
[1:40:14] hearing and then you also have that
[1:40:16] other committee C before
[1:40:20] 26 at this point just for the limited
[1:40:23] Purp purpose is getting a public hearing
[1:40:24] the public hearing will be saying for a
[1:40:26] chart adding Charter language regarding
[1:40:30] the deadline of the budget and then we
[1:40:32] can we can put in what materials can be
[1:40:35] available if if that's what you want to
[1:40:38] do and then we could put in yes what I'm
[1:40:41] saying is if if you want to put
[1:40:43] additional language in for the public
[1:40:45] prior to the public hearing you have
[1:40:47] that
[1:40:49] opportunity if you want to amend if you
[1:40:51] want to amend otherwise we'll just go
[1:40:53] with what has been presented for
[1:40:56] you but it doesn't bind anybody one way
[1:40:58] or the other just calling for the public
[1:41:00] hearing at this point and if you all
[1:41:03] want to Market Market up the proposed
[1:41:07] legislation I'm just I'm just concerned
[1:41:09] about the process along you know so
[1:41:11] you're not hamstr strong at the
[1:41:14] end so you're saying that we if you call
[1:41:18] some
[1:41:19] right and that the next cycle we can put
[1:41:23] forward language for those of us who do
[1:41:26] not with the current language that's
[1:41:27] been been provided can put both other
[1:41:29] language however if at that meeting the
[1:41:32] other language isn't acceptable then
[1:41:34] what goes to the public hearing well I
[1:41:36] mean that's something we can discuss I
[1:41:38] mean what I I'm just thinking out loud
[1:41:40] here but maybe you put both items on and
[1:41:43] have a discussion on on both
[1:41:45] proposals as a public you know is
[1:41:48] because we're just talking about a
[1:41:49] charter Amendment and I'm just because
[1:41:52] we're dealing with time frames involved
[1:41:54] here and I'm just thinking that
[1:41:56] maybe have both Public public hearing you put them both
[1:42:03] onto the public hearing is that what you
[1:42:04] just said excuse me you're saying put if
[1:42:07] there's yeah and different language
[1:42:09] that's proposed other than what you
[1:42:11] provided to us through the mayor's
[1:42:12] office right that we would then put that
[1:42:15] other proposed language forward we could
[1:42:17] always do it as you both sides if that's
[1:42:19] the will something has to be the public
[1:42:22] hearing that goes
[1:42:24] for the enacted
[1:42:26] legislation things that are conflicted
[1:42:28] but see the thing is the public this is
[1:42:31] the because the municipal home RO law
[1:42:34] doesn't require a a mandatory public
[1:42:38] hearing for a legislative body requires
[1:42:40] a mandatory hearing for you which is the
[1:42:42] pass
[1:42:44] legislation because this is not an
[1:42:46] acting ordinance this it's a broader
[1:42:48] idea it's it's it's a
[1:42:50] broader there's broader parameters I
[1:42:53] believe that you can work with here
[1:42:55] because this is an optional public
[1:42:57] hearing as opposed to the mayor's
[1:42:59] mandatory public
[1:43:01] [Music]
[1:43:03] hearing because when
[1:43:05] there's Municipal home when there's a
[1:43:08] strong mayor for County Executive
[1:43:11] they're mandated to have a public
[1:43:12] hearing within 5
[1:43:14] days for the accounts for a legislative
[1:43:17] body they can have a public heent which
[1:43:19] you can but they're not mandated Pursuit
[1:43:21] the law to have that public he
[1:43:23] so what I am suggesting is to get that
[1:43:25] input we just broaden the
[1:43:31] scope and we have the chance on August
[1:43:34] 5th right yes right to do so
[1:43:42] right I'm not on that committing
[1:43:55] Entertain Entertain public
[1:43:59] the
[1:44:01] um I I will word it in such way such you
[1:44:04] know Charter you know propos Charter
[1:44:07] amendments Charter you know propos
[1:44:09] legislation regarding Charter amendment
[1:44:10] to
[1:44:11] section
[1:44:14] uh
[1:44:15] 6-8
[1:44:17] a just make it Brader language
[1:44:24] I think I heard the mayor say that we
[1:44:25] couldn't have that conflicting language
[1:44:28] is that what you stating what I I don't
[1:44:32] know if Mr o'ri what he's thinking that
[1:44:34] you can't have things that are
[1:44:35] conflicted going to the voters no no I'm
[1:44:38] not saying no it's not going to be
[1:44:39] conflicted what I'm saying is whatever
[1:44:43] if there's a council proposal that that
[1:44:45] doesn't go with you the proposed that's
[1:44:48] before us then ultimately there's only
[1:44:51] one item that will go and be voted voted
[1:44:53] on the 26 there's only one piece of
[1:44:55] legislation that will go before the
[1:44:58] Council on the 26 it's whatever you will
[1:45:01] agree to to vote on can't have two
[1:45:04] different
[1:45:06] ones it's
[1:45:09] just having information at the public
[1:45:11] hearing you have another you have another uh committee
[1:45:16] cycle after the public hearing and at
[1:45:18] that point you make the final decision
[1:45:20] what you want to vote on on the 12
[1:45:23] the
[1:45:33] [Music]
[1:45:35] 26 so my only comment is we're going to
[1:45:39] pass a budget and we can't even put
[1:45:42] something out for
[1:45:45] a public
[1:45:47] hearing oh you're asking that
[1:45:51] question making a statement I mean it
[1:45:54] just seems that you know there's some of
[1:45:56] us that are okay with it and there's
[1:45:58] some of us that aren't and we've been
[1:46:00] beating around the bush for the past 30
[1:46:02] minutes or so so let's just let's just
[1:46:06] put it out there are we going to put it
[1:46:07] out there for public hearing or not and
[1:46:09] who's going to write the new um you know
[1:46:13] request that goes out along with the
[1:46:15] mayor that's going to go to Corporation
[1:46:18] councel so my response to your statement
[1:46:21] will be that what is happen happing is
[1:46:23] us doing our due diligence and making
[1:46:25] sure and I speak to myself is that I
[1:46:28] want to make sure that I use the
[1:46:30] resource that Corporation counsel to
[1:46:31] make sure that I have a clear
[1:46:33] understanding so I'm making inform
[1:46:34] decision I'm not interested in beinga
[1:46:37] around the bush but I want to make sure
[1:46:38] any bring something forth to the public
[1:46:39] has come from an informed space and I
[1:46:41] think that's what the dialogue has
[1:46:43] happened here and that's why now I'm in
[1:46:45] support um of going move for for a
[1:46:48] public hear based on the information
[1:46:50] that that we receive from Corporation
[1:46:52] Council because that informtion was just
[1:46:54] presented to us at this point in
[1:46:55] conversation didn't happen so that's the
[1:46:57] point that that's where our respons but
[1:46:59] where that other piece of legislation
[1:47:03] come the other option to the mayor's
[1:47:08] proposal that could come in your next
[1:47:10] committee meeting I'm sorry you can
[1:47:12] develop that prior committee meeting but
[1:47:14] that would come from the
[1:47:18] [Music]
[1:47:19] councilor put some simple numbers to it
[1:47:23] The Proposal that been put forth by the
[1:47:25] council president can't come to an
[1:47:28] agreement that it would revert to the
[1:47:30] prior budget that everybody in theory
[1:47:32] has agreed to might have multiple years
[1:47:35] of contact this year if you
[1:47:38] take the 2024 operating budget take it
[1:47:42] into 25 using that
[1:47:45] scenario you would then go with a
[1:47:47] minimum of 20% tax
[1:47:50] increase because there's a whole there
[1:47:53] because of the arip and you know each
[1:47:55] budget year there's a lot of
[1:47:57] similarities a lot of uh assumptions
[1:47:59] that we make going forward but there are
[1:48:02] widely variant factors that come into
[1:48:04] play and you have to rely on the staff
[1:48:08] we given the opportunity to serve
[1:48:10] leadership roles in the community and
[1:48:12] the public trusts us to do the right
[1:48:14] thing right you can't do some of these
[1:48:16] things that are arbitrary and without
[1:48:19] really thought out what the process and
[1:48:21] the impact is
[1:48:24] so again some of those things are wiely
[1:48:27] the truth I'm sorry
[1:48:30] Mr no absolutely no I'll put my hand up
[1:48:34] like this thank you
[1:48:36] so I just want to make sure I'm not
[1:48:38] overlooking your future Mone share so to
[1:48:41] the mayor point if we were to do that
[1:48:42] with um well number one I think we to
[1:48:44] start with fact understanding that this
[1:48:46] legislation won't impact this budget
[1:48:48] year so any numbers that are kind of
[1:48:50] drawn based on this budget year really
[1:48:53] would be relevant because no matter
[1:48:55] which way this happens it's not going to
[1:48:56] impact our upcoming budget here again so
[1:48:59] we be looking forward but I do
[1:49:00] appreciate you know that the opinion of
[1:49:04] like how things can be Wily vared so I
[1:49:06] guess my again the question would be
[1:49:10] um what other uh what we should start
[1:49:13] thinking about what are the other main
[1:49:15] pieces of the formula that we might want
[1:49:17] to consider putting in to say it can
[1:49:21] look like this based on um just the
[1:49:23] points that you
[1:49:28] raing like like as I said before we were
[1:49:30] using examples from other municipalities
[1:49:32] and I was kind of surprised to read that
[1:49:35] those municipalities have a much longer
[1:49:36] time frame to deliberate over the budet
[1:49:38] two months as opposed to one so I think
[1:49:40] that's a consideration get more time for
[1:49:42] conversation I heard the meeting every
[1:49:44] night that's probably not conceivable
[1:49:46] for everyone to just meet every single
[1:49:48] night based on our other
[1:49:50] responsibilities um but given a longer
[1:49:52] time frame
[1:49:53] um that's fine and the mayor stated that
[1:49:55] you know that would be that just you
[1:49:56] know be flawed uh to go back to the
[1:49:59] other budget but in case I hadn't stated
[1:50:02] it if we would consider like if there's
[1:50:03] salary increases and those basic
[1:50:05] increases then we could just we could
[1:50:07] have those those things happen we could
[1:50:09] write that into it um but I have to you
[1:50:11] know how many times I can say I just
[1:50:14] don't believe that just refering just
[1:50:18] reverting back to the because we can't
[1:50:20] agree to a budget reverting back to the
[1:50:21] Amer budget I don't think that that is
[1:50:25] the best way to move forward in terms of
[1:50:27] a council working together to come up
[1:50:29] with a a budget and there just if it's
[1:50:32] not if the mayor is saying that you
[1:50:34] cannot um take away his veto power then there has and and I'm saying that I
[1:50:39] don't feel like 100% of like if the
[1:50:42] clock runs down becomes budget then
[1:50:45] somewhere in the middle then we should
[1:50:47] be able to come to a place that we can
[1:50:48] come to an agreement where this is what
[1:50:50] it is it's not all of this it's not all
[1:50:52] that and once again it sort of brings us
[1:50:54] back to the whole deliberation around
[1:50:56] like like when we deliberating on the
[1:50:57] budget everybody can't have everything
[1:50:59] they're asking for but where can we come
[1:51:01] to a happy medium that says okay we're
[1:51:04] both satisfied with this and this is how
[1:51:06] we can move forward and I think that's
[1:51:07] where we need to get regarding this
[1:51:09] piece of legislation that we move
[1:51:11] forward with to present to the
[1:51:15] voters president again the opposite of
[1:51:18] what's being presented would be a SLE if
[1:51:21] we can't get into that point of
[1:51:22] agreement and whatever the city council
[1:51:26] says and I think that what we like to I
[1:51:29] think that there's another formula here
[1:51:31] and I I definitely as a chair this
[1:51:34] community I can definitely present some
[1:51:36] thoughts I welcome on my colle input on
[1:51:39] there um and I will definitely present
[1:51:41] some thoughts and I think that we can
[1:51:43] come to a more reasonable compromise I
[1:51:46] believe maybe not being overly
[1:51:47] optimistic I've seen it happen before
[1:51:49] and with the mayor's office being
[1:51:51] talking something sessions as council
[1:51:53] members and we got it there I think we
[1:51:55] can do it
[1:51:56] again Mr P so if um that happened at our
[1:52:01] August 5th meeting are we still able to
[1:52:03] just move forward right now with calling
[1:52:04] for a public hearing on the 12th and
[1:52:06] then on the 5th we would know what we
[1:52:09] would be talking about public hearing
[1:52:10] correct I this is just you know as a
[1:52:14] marker you're putting that public
[1:52:15] hearing down otherwise we would have
[1:52:18] to the public
[1:52:22] this budget you'll miss this vote this
[1:52:29] election ballot we missed the ballot
[1:52:32] this year oh so we'd push it it would be
[1:52:36] then you'd have to talk about this next
[1:52:37] year for the
[1:52:40] 20126 um it would affect the 2026 budget
[1:52:43] no yes yes okay um but right now that
[1:52:48] committee which I'm not on needs to
[1:52:51] decide whether we going to have a public
[1:52:53] hearing on the 12th we still have the
[1:52:56] fifth to be able to look at other
[1:53:02] Alternatives so when we
[1:53:04] start we started this conversation Mr M
[1:53:07] was talking about
[1:53:09] entire um Charter Amendment and so I'm
[1:53:13] guessing I'm asking where you are with
[1:53:17] that in Char of the Char Commission in
[1:53:21] charge of this or trying to open it's a long appro but I I I think it's it's du and I think uh we should U
[1:53:32] set up a a charter revise commission to
[1:53:36] look at the charter to come up a
[1:53:39] recommendation that is my
[1:53:41] suggestion I'm going to stick to that
[1:53:44] okay so so you want to support um the
[1:53:46] public hearing on this one agenda I
[1:53:54] let me ask you this then um are you
[1:53:56] supporting what the mayor's putting
[1:53:58] forward period like even if we're
[1:54:00] looking at revising the entire
[1:54:03] thing or or do you agree with this
[1:54:06] concept that that the the um if we don't
[1:54:09] pass a budget that it reverts to the
[1:54:11] budget that's been put
[1:54:14] forth all I have got come to that
[1:54:17] conclusion I am I think that I think I'm
[1:54:21] pass my opinion just like everybody else
[1:54:24] that we should uh consider this the Char
[1:54:28] rision commission to look at that and to
[1:54:30] look at that component to in the budget
[1:54:33] do we go with the refer back to the
[1:54:35] previous year or do we go with the May's
[1:54:37] proposed budget and that will depend on
[1:54:40] the commission recommendation to us at
[1:54:42] that
[1:54:46] time I have to say answer it's up to you
[1:54:50] so my my one area of concern is that
[1:54:52] fact that we didn't make a commitment
[1:54:54] that we would take a look at
[1:54:56] this and that you know that we would
[1:54:59] want to do that
[1:55:02] no so that that's my concern okay so if
[1:55:06] I were so if we were to look at this
[1:55:08] guys moving forward with this public
[1:55:10] hearing as well as um taking the
[1:55:13] necessary steps to form uh the
[1:55:15] commission the charter commission would
[1:55:17] that be agreeable to you at this point
[1:55:18] to where we can say well you know we can
[1:55:22] call called public hearing based on the
[1:55:24] information that's been provided by
[1:55:25] Corporation Council not not just
[1:55:28] necessarily on to been proposed and then
[1:55:31] for the commission that would be a
[1:55:34] [Applause]
[1:55:37] position I'm not sure that Charter
[1:55:39] commission may be the way that you
[1:55:40] necessarily want to go because the
[1:55:42] charter commission um the mayor appoints
[1:55:46] the entire Charter commission so we we
[1:55:49] have no input in there's other ways to
[1:55:50] approach this so with the with the
[1:55:52] commission we have no we have no
[1:55:56] set again I'm sorry I have to say I
[1:56:00] think we have to start getting to a
[1:56:01] point where we respect each other where
[1:56:04] we try to have some level of trust where
[1:56:06] we try to better our
[1:56:08] communication um both among ourselves
[1:56:10] and also with the mayor so I think that
[1:56:14] hopefully first of all I also think it's
[1:56:16] two separate things you got to decide
[1:56:18] your your committee has to decide
[1:56:20] whether we're going to do this public he
[1:56:22] 12 for this one piece and whether we
[1:56:26] would like the mayor to appoint a
[1:56:28] commission that would look at the
[1:56:30] overall um Charter which is going to be
[1:56:33] a longer process trust me that's any of
[1:56:35] us that have ever done anything like
[1:56:37] this right so so that's that's the thing
[1:56:40] but I think underlying all of this is
[1:56:43] this idea that of of trust that we need
[1:56:46] to continue working on so I I mean I
[1:56:49] think having public hearing
[1:56:53] um is I think we all would like to get
[1:56:55] the uh community's input on on this one
[1:56:59] way or the other but again it's just if
[1:57:01] you're not going to do it then it's just
[1:57:03] going to push forward one more year um
[1:57:05] so you know that's that's the simple
[1:57:07] thing that this subcommittee has to um
[1:57:11] talk about right now and make a
[1:57:15] decision I'm pretty clear as to what what decisions we're making so um
[1:57:20] again I think they're using words like
[1:57:23] um trust and respect and I think that
[1:57:26] that's far I can speak myself personally
[1:57:27] I haven't demonstrated any uh lack of
[1:57:31] trust in an individual I speaking more
[1:57:32] to the process and I certainly have Dem
[1:57:35] disrespect so it's just really been so
[1:57:38] those things are said I I agree with I'm
[1:57:40] not I'm not saying that anyone just just
[1:57:42] for Clear St right right just for for
[1:57:44] clearity we want to make sure that that
[1:57:46] that's not um the spirit in which I'm
[1:57:48] operating from and I haven't seen that
[1:57:49] at the table this far I think that's
[1:57:51] just something that should do
[1:57:52] Mr M know I'm saying um all this we're
[1:57:55] having here can go away if we come to
[1:57:57] the table we can discuss
[1:58:00] open-mindedly and we can have a budget
[1:58:03] we don't need all this we can have a
[1:58:04] budget if we come to the table ready to
[1:58:06] work we can deliver a budget we all need
[1:58:09] to compromise please there's no need for
[1:58:12] this let us go into this serious budget
[1:58:16] we have a different Council last year
[1:58:18] unfortunately there were a lot of turmo
[1:58:20] within ourselves
[1:58:22] this year we are working better M thanks
[1:58:25] to all of us are working together and
[1:58:27] we're respecting each other and that is
[1:58:29] a big big plus for us at this Council
[1:58:31] here we're in 7 months and look at the
[1:58:34] change that we made from last year to
[1:58:36] now so I think that we just need to
[1:58:38] approach this budget open communication
[1:58:41] ready to be flexible and calling from
[1:58:45] the president mayor council let's have
[1:58:49] open dialog going into this budget and
[1:58:51] we don't need this
[1:58:52] we're going to have a budget that is
[1:58:54] workable for
[1:58:56] everyone and we can make that
[1:58:59] happen point and whether we pass this time or not it's not going to be
[1:59:03] this year's budget what you're saying is
[1:59:04] what we have to do um because whe whe we
[1:59:07] do this isue or not we we can set an
[1:59:10] example this year to say what happened
[1:59:12] last year we all can make a commitment
[1:59:14] and say let's not let's not make that
[1:59:16] happen again but we need in order to do
[1:59:20] that we need everyone to come to the
[1:59:22] table to ready to discuss with an open
[1:59:25] mind and ready to be flexible and ready
[1:59:27] to compromise and move forward that's
[1:59:29] the only way we can achieve I agree I
[1:59:31] think we demonstrate things for the
[1:59:33] people in this demonstrate the capacity
[1:59:34] to do that thus far and I have faith in
[1:59:36] our full faith in our ability to do that
[1:59:38] moving forward um I would just add that
[1:59:40] again this is uh this particular uh
[1:59:43] piece of legislation isn't necessar
[1:59:44] about what we do this year or the
[1:59:47] following year but again it's speak
[1:59:48] supported to the qu checks and balances
[1:59:50] of how how we operate at the city
[1:59:52] government I gu next year though it
[1:59:54] would be it would be for 2025 right I'm
[1:59:56] saying but it wouldn't
[1:59:58] speak the the way I'm making my decision
[2:00:01] I'm part based on just what happened
[2:00:04] last year because we don't know what the
[2:00:06] future has more about checks and
[2:00:09] balances and that's where I'm trying to
[2:00:11] I'm trying toist checks and balances no
[2:00:14] matter who and that's so I think at this
[2:00:16] point you
[2:00:19] know so actually this this question is
[2:00:21] for the May so mayor are you open to
[2:00:23] anything other than what you've
[2:00:25] [Music]
[2:00:27] proposed of course I'm open to stuff but
[2:00:30] we made the commitment there was no
[2:00:32] action by the city
[2:00:34] council the timeline was running so I
[2:00:37] put forth a proposal which I think
[2:00:39] addresses the needs to the community as
[2:00:42] a whole in the budget process and you
[2:00:45] are locking into it because I think in
[2:00:48] sole remnants of the Democratic primary
[2:00:50] for mayor last year where you don't want
[2:00:52] the mayor which happens to be me to have
[2:00:55] some say in it that you perceive to be
[2:00:58] more
[2:01:00] uh influential and it should be well let
[2:01:03] me just um correct you there first and
[2:01:05] foremost I've never brought the primary
[2:01:07] however you have and you and your team
[2:01:10] said some very ugly things and including
[2:01:12] things and talked about myce mother but
[2:01:14] I'm not holding that against you I think
[2:01:16] I put that behind me in addition to that
[2:01:18] mayor since we really want to talk about
[2:01:19] this when I first became council
[2:01:21] president I made it a point of every
[2:01:23] single week almost coming to your office
[2:01:25] to say let's have a conversation that
[2:01:27] did not that was not reciprocal I was
[2:01:29] consistently you rarely reach out to me
[2:01:31] unless you had um won a piece of
[2:01:33] legislation so um I'm not that person
[2:01:36] things happen this is politics so I
[2:01:38] don't have anything against you
[2:01:39] personally I ran against you that
[2:01:42] happens people have run against me
[2:01:44] you've recruited people to run against
[2:01:45] me all of those things are happening yet
[2:01:47] I'm still here and I'm not holding that
[2:01:49] against you so it's it's not about the
[2:01:51] Democratic and I'm sorry that you even
[2:01:53] brought that up because that was never
[2:01:54] in my mind but clearly it's it's in
[2:01:56] yours and so in in terms of the council
[2:02:00] members I've reached out to council
[2:02:01] members and we've had meetings and we've
[2:02:03] had trainings together so me working
[2:02:06] hard to make sure this Council worked
[2:02:07] together is something once now that it's
[2:02:10] a new and different Council because
[2:02:11] let's just be honest there was a lot of
[2:02:14] contention with a former council member
[2:02:16] so it's not about fact there's remnants
[2:02:18] of a primary it's not about that but it
[2:02:20] is about that the council has a
[2:02:23] responsibility is the budget and for me
[2:02:26] to say that we automatically just revert
[2:02:28] back to to to the budget that's
[2:02:30] presented by the mayor does not mean
[2:02:32] that the council has has had their done
[2:02:35] what they should do in responsibility so
[2:02:37] when when I talk about this it's not
[2:02:39] about Gary mcth I'll go back to I
[2:02:41] believe it's just ineffective leadership
[2:02:44] that for 50 years we've been able to
[2:02:46] work out a budget last year we did me
[2:02:50] and you can't even move forward what is
[2:02:52] simple legislation now that's fairly
[2:02:54] simple and straightforward to clear up
[2:02:57] some ambiguity that exists within the
[2:02:59] chart I guess I would I would just offer
[2:03:02] that to disagree isn't a isn't a
[2:03:04] demonstration of incompetence leadership
[2:03:07] Mr respect I think that my conversations
[2:03:10] that I have with you again I will
[2:03:13] highlight the fact that you were able to
[2:03:14] make some concessions to move forward
[2:03:16] which you thought was in the best
[2:03:17] interest of the city and I think that
[2:03:19] President Porterfield um as from that
[2:03:22] same place I'm sure that there are some
[2:03:24] things that um have happened that have
[2:03:26] uh less left of bad taste in people's
[2:03:28] mouths but I don't think that that is
[2:03:30] going to um compromise our ability to do
[2:03:32] our job here um and again my my um
[2:03:37] disagreement is really more along the
[2:03:39] lines of the checks and balances of how
[2:03:41] we operate has zero to do um with uh any
[2:03:46] other underlying things and like I said
[2:03:48] in fact in this conversation we
[2:03:49] highlighted multiple times I up through
[2:03:52] conversations between we were able to um both make some concessions and get
[2:03:56] things moving forward so that's the case
[2:03:57] that we're operating is is there a p
[2:04:01] proposal well the mayor The Proposal I
[2:04:04] had that what my proposal was that if we
[2:04:06] pass the budget then the mayor could not
[2:04:07] beo our budget the mayor's saying that
[2:04:10] that's not um
[2:04:12] acceptable uh so for
[2:04:15] me so at this point I we'll just get
[2:04:17] down to this
[2:04:19] is around are we accept the motion um
[2:04:24] around calling for a public hearing
[2:04:30] um public hearing um understanding that
[2:04:33] I will be and as the chair this
[2:04:36] committee I will be presenting on some
[2:04:39] um May some alternative language for
[2:04:41] consideration of the council um and so I
[2:04:44] accept motion to
[2:04:46] support public
[2:05:11] so I have motions
[2:05:13] okay you feel so next item on government
[2:05:16] operation is a reminder renaming the
[2:05:19] street of be Village Lane Luigi Lane um
[2:05:23] community members and family members
[2:05:25] came uh to our previous uh council
[2:05:28] meeting and um committee meeting and
[2:05:31] really highlighted the importance of
[2:05:33] that happy to be a part of that want
[2:05:35] everybody know that the public hearing
[2:05:37] will be on
[2:05:39] 7:22 Mr chairman the council so wishes
[2:05:42] they can put that unanimous consent even
[2:05:44] know it's time for a Regal consideration
[2:05:46] pass that that unanimous consent excuse
[2:05:51] me you want you said it can go on for
[2:05:52] unanimous cons yes so you can pass the
[2:05:54] ordinance the same night public hearing
[2:05:56] there's even though it's not for
[2:05:58] original consideration you can wave that
[2:06:00] if you so desire pass have the public
[2:06:03] hearing and pass the so we're going back
[2:06:05] to number one yeah yeah but that but
[2:06:07] that doesn't require any action right
[2:06:09] now no no so you're say no no you're all done
[2:06:14] I'm just saying if you want to I'm just
[2:06:15] bring it to your attention you want to
[2:06:18] pass if we can come to an agreement that
[2:06:22] we all right
[2:06:27] that thank
[2:06:29] you yes I than to thank Mr B especially
[2:06:33] Mr Ren Schneider for the beautiful
[2:06:35] article and look is that thank you
[2:06:38] picking up on that putting the article
[2:06:40] out yes okay I have no other items wait was was Mr O'Brien talking about
[2:06:48] that it number two two no he he he was
[2:06:53] reminding us that for item number one
[2:06:55] that we could that that we had that
[2:06:57] there was so some mechanisms to move
[2:06:59] forward such as able to for the for the
[2:07:06] Luigi he wasn't talking about no no I'm
[2:07:10] sorry I'm I'm
[2:07:12] sorry I thought you talking about Luigi
[2:07:14] Lane that's what I'm talking sent to put
[2:07:17] that ordinance
[2:07:18] on okay call for the public hearing
[2:07:22] the no actually actually the public
[2:07:24] hearing you already
[2:07:26] passed right so you've already passed it
[2:07:29] so you can vote on that legislation it
[2:07:32] will yes
[2:07:34] 7 Public heing public hearing is coming
[2:07:37] up yes so you can vote on it that corre
[2:07:40] s still no action needed right
[2:07:43] now correct okay so with that said I
[2:07:46] accept motion to government
[2:07:49] operations second in favor hi thank you
[2:07:53] I would like to call the finance
[2:07:54] committee to order and the first item is
[2:07:56] the 2025 annual action plan allocation
[2:08:00] the public hearing is next Monday 700
[2:08:04] p.m.
[2:08:05] 29 Mr Cara do you have any update for us
[2:08:08] or we just go through the motion of
[2:08:10] having this public hearing and then you
[2:08:12] will update us have time okay the next
[2:08:15] item is authorize the commission of
[2:08:17] finance and deposit for the Consolidated
[2:08:19] local Street and Highway Improvement
[2:08:21] program Mr
[2:08:25] [Music]
[2:08:29] wallet every year in the state budget
[2:08:32] the state sets aside um State funding
[2:08:35] for Highway Improvement program uh we
[2:08:37] usually get a letter we did not get a
[2:08:39] letter this year but we did print out
[2:08:42] the allocations out of the New York
[2:08:44] State DOT budget and highlighted there
[2:08:46] it is uh the annual allocations are
[2:08:48] chips program extreme winter recovery
[2:08:50] pave New York State touring routes and P
[2:08:53] our pop pools um so this is just the
[2:08:55] acceptance of the fund so that we can
[2:08:57] put it into our accounts uh officially
[2:08:59] and draw down it for this year's payment
[2:09:02] program any questions comments on
[2:09:07] this Mr W just a comment there's a lot
[2:09:10] of Paving happening in Pleasant and I
[2:09:14] know you have a lot to do with that so I
[2:09:15] want to personally thank you the
[2:09:17] resident have send many thank you a lot
[2:09:20] of streets have been paved in the mon
[2:09:22] and neighborhood it's a good thing and
[2:09:24] across the city we have seen Paving
[2:09:27] continue to see Paving happening so
[2:09:29] thank you and thank you to all the staff
[2:09:30] and everybody who's involved a lot of
[2:09:32] people working hard to keep the roads up
[2:09:35] but
[2:09:37] y any other
[2:09:40] comments I have a motion don't move this
[2:09:43] second all in favor hi I any other
[2:09:46] business for
[2:09:47] finance motion to adjourn so move second
[2:09:50] all in fav
[2:09:52] hi thank you I'd like to call Border
[2:09:54] City development and planning we have 10
[2:09:55] items on the agenda the first one is to
[2:09:58] the award bid contact for this connected
[2:10:00] fire station number one Mr wall um so
[2:10:04] what we have here is the replacement of
[2:10:07] the existing HVAC system uh and
[2:10:10] installation of a new generator at our
[2:10:12] main fire station number one on beer
[2:10:14] Avenue as uh you will see we have two
[2:10:17] bids of a possible three um there is no
[2:10:20] Plumbing work in this contract the
[2:10:21] majority of it is mechanical um the
[2:10:24] general contractor there was no bids
[2:10:26] we're attributing that to the title of
[2:10:29] the bid when it was on bidet saying fire
[2:10:31] station HVAC and Generator so we put it
[2:10:34] out and uh made sure to call a lot of
[2:10:36] general contractors that we work with to
[2:10:38] make sure that they're aware that there
[2:10:39] is a general portion of it uh if you
[2:10:42] look at the bids these were some of the
[2:10:44] closest bids that we've ever received
[2:10:46] with regards to first to second the bids
[2:10:48] were extremely close um the low bidder
[2:10:51] is the person uh the company that is are
[2:10:54] doing our on call work so they are
[2:10:56] familiar with the station so that makes
[2:10:58] sense that they would be a little lower
[2:11:00] than some um and just so you're aware
[2:11:03] that the general this is uh different
[2:11:05] than normal contracts where usually
[2:11:07] you'll see a general contractor be the
[2:11:09] highest like with the pool 90% of the
[2:11:12] work of this project is mechanical the
[2:11:15] general contractor will be in charge of
[2:11:17] restoring ceiling tiles possibly uh
[2:11:20] repairing some walls
[2:11:21] but this is a very U small General we're
[2:11:24] expecting the general to come in
[2:11:26] somewhere on 250 Mark compared to the
[2:11:29] eer which is
[2:11:30] 1.1 so um we're comfortable moving these
[2:11:33] forward we have to move them forward now
[2:11:35] because we don't want the bids to become
[2:11:36] stale um we did wait one cycle to get
[2:11:39] this all together but we do want to wait
[2:11:45] another any questions
[2:11:47] comments second El in favor hi thank you item number two is for the
[2:11:53] award bid the award bidden contract for
[2:11:55] the purchase of City connected pre-cast
[2:11:57] contract concrete panel so
[2:12:00] yes
[2:12:02] sorry it's okay sorry um so what this is that as you remember we uh dedicated
[2:12:08] some I believe ARA funding and as well
[2:12:10] as some Sam money to the restoration of
[2:12:13] the existing historic wallet diamonds
[2:12:15] Park uh we previously awarded the labor
[2:12:18] portion of this once the labor was
[2:12:19] awarded um we wanted do this portion of
[2:12:22] it which was the actual pre-cast
[2:12:24] concrete panels themselves um we will be
[2:12:26] buying an excess of 400 pre-cast
[2:12:28] concrete panels um and capping the
[2:12:31] entire wall the cap should uh protect
[2:12:34] the wall for whe from weather and things
[2:12:38] um the loan bid that we got was within
[2:12:41] budget and is local uh they can meet our
[2:12:44] deadline so we are looking to move
[2:12:46] forward with this the deadline that we
[2:12:48] put in there for seeing delivery of the
[2:12:50] panels was September first we did talk
[2:12:52] with the Labor uh that we that we're
[2:12:55] looking to hire and they were okay with
[2:12:56] that um so we're looking to just award
[2:12:59] this and set up a system where we get a
[2:13:01] delivery of continuous panels until the
[2:13:03] project is
[2:13:04] done any questions comments this second
[2:13:08] all those in favor thank you president
[2:13:12] ask to be talking about Paving one
[2:13:15] question can you give us an update in
[2:13:18] terms of the Central Parkway side mark
[2:13:21] uh Central Park sidewalk it's out to bid
[2:13:24] yeah and it'll be back in we believe a
[2:13:27] week from Wednesday week from maybe two weeks from Wednesday but no
[2:13:32] it's out to bid um and yeah one of one
[2:13:36] of many things that is still up yeah
[2:13:38] thank you I've been getting a lot of Pi
[2:13:40] on no and we're we're looking to get
[2:13:42] that done this year we did put a
[2:13:43] deadline in it and the other thing that
[2:13:45] I did mention to the mayor is that this
[2:13:47] week steel is being set for the Kings
[2:13:49] Road Bridge um so that that's exciting
[2:13:53] to see thank you thank you for that
[2:13:57] update um item number three the smart
[2:14:00] grow Community Planning and
[2:14:06] Zoning good evening city
[2:14:08] council I am here calling for a
[2:14:11] resolution I'm looking for the city
[2:14:13] council to support the city of skn for
[2:14:16] New York State smart growth Community
[2:14:18] Planning and Zoning um Grant application
[2:14:22] so we are in the process of doing our
[2:14:24] comprehensive plan this grant will
[2:14:27] support phase two of that which will
[2:14:29] start in the summer of 2025 phase one
[2:14:31] will start um this full 2024 which is a
[2:14:34] community engagement the grant is the
[2:14:37] minimum application is 75,000 we plan we
[2:14:41] working with our consultant we estimate
[2:14:43] that phase two will be 85,000 so that is
[2:14:46] what we are applying for the One
[2:14:48] Financial stipulation is that we have to
[2:14:50] have a 10% local match which would
[2:14:53] roughly be
[2:14:54] 8,500 so I've given the language um for
[2:14:58] the resolutions on ask city council for
[2:15:00] support for the this for comprehensive
[2:15:04] so Bud for the that we have that
[2:15:09] yes any questions I'm second those in
[2:15:13] favor than thank you
[2:15:17] any we got to ask so the next item is
[2:15:20] the discussion rules of the form during
[2:15:21] Council meetings we had this on the last
[2:15:24] time and
[2:15:26] um the mayor says that it's not
[2:15:28] something that has to really be passed
[2:15:30] through the council and the only
[2:15:32] addition was that people would it would
[2:15:35] just top of people knowled that they
[2:15:37] were signing this and with signing that
[2:15:39] they follow so just want to bring that
[2:15:41] back that that's going to be um just
[2:15:44] added to to
[2:15:46] um to the rules and some people have a
[2:15:49] misunderstanding because I got an email
[2:15:51] stating that we were posting the rules I
[2:15:53] think you may have all got about posting
[2:15:56] the rules I don't remember that being
[2:15:59] said by the Wonder is that a good
[2:16:01] idea for some reason that that came
[2:16:03] across to an
[2:16:09] individual right yeah no they like post
[2:16:12] it
[2:16:13] [Music]
[2:16:14] on right so we'll just go ahead and add
[2:16:18] that the final uh items are for
[2:16:22] executive session for sale of
[2:16:26] property so at this time I Mo to
[2:16:29] Executive session
[2:16:30] second all in favor we in executive
[2:16:33] session members of