first one would be who gets
go is it
just I'm just giving it a couple minutes
for deani and dorian's making some more
copies I'm just giving a couple minutes
for danani and
did I take the wrong folder
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great
oh
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sorry I
do have to
get okay we'll start then we'll
start um and I'm sorry about the the
noise so I'll try to I'll try to talk
loud I can turn that off
it's just so hot i' have it on actually
last week I thought I was going to die
in here or whenever that was two weeks
ago um so it was great that the Pool
opened when it opened it was in the
middle of like a heatwave
sorry oh I'd like to I'd like to call
Health and Recreation committee to order
thank you very much for being here um
Josh are you taking minutes excellent so
Doren is dorine and I are on the
committee and and John is a um
additional city council member and we
have three staff people so thank you
very much I'm glad you're taking minutes
um so the Pool opened um at the end of
June and it was in the middle of a heat
wve and thank goodness that it opened
when it opened that was a very good
decision and I appreciate that I was
away on vacation sitting by the PO sh at
that time um there are I what I've done
however I had been looking at a bunch of
rules prior to the pool open we have
some rules posted at the pool and and
Paul can talk to us a little bit about
that we ke and I both have photos of
that if um if you haven't been up there
um
but there's only there's only a few um
rules that are listed on that sign at
the new pool right now it's something
like no firearms or knives no alcohol um
no coolers no
coolers um so so I think there's some
other things that we might want to
consider um as you look through these um
then the other piece are fees um and
you'll again you'll see as you look
through these that that varies as well
um I'm kind of you know obviously um my
opinion is that I think that the pool
should be free to um residents um I'm not so sure that the pool should be
free to
nonresidents um and there's even the
possibility that we can talk about about
whether
non-residents um can use the pool I mean
we've had very long lines for the most
part so you'll see that some of the some
of the pools as you look through this
don't allow non-residents um I'm not
sure if we want to do that I'm sorry
about the the Troy one is very minor um
South the pools in Troy right now are
not even open um is my understanding
from looking at their website because of
Co um yeah because of the rise in Co
they've actually shut down some of their
at least that's what it says on their
website I didn't call anyone at any of
these places so what you have is Albany
Troy
um Mohawk River parking pool I can't
remember if that's or glenvill
Muna
colony
gildin and that's
it that's as far as I went um in looking
at these I didn't think we needed more
than this I mean I have concern around
um I mean I'm definitely concerned about
um FAL matter in the pool so that has to
do with you know the kinds of diapers
that kids go on there's an overarching
thing which is again we have young
people that are our lifeguards um so in
terms of enforcing it might be difficult
for them to enforce some of this stuff
so um so we really have to think this
through but Paul did you want to share
some of the things that you've been
observing and
hearing life c a great J boys ands does
do a very good job um when it comes
to trying to OB the goals when I went
there this afternoon was one
alteration sometimes kids just don't
like to obey Authority and it's tough
because life cards are just life cards
they're in their V Su they don't really
feel they have authority they try
one police officer that's there come in
and talk to him and then there a little
bit of shouting out kid got of course
the mother came over and got very mouthy
to the police officer and then it come
out you know but um you they were trying
to do something at the deep
end youth kep jumping in out the pool I
think
it's you know you're going to have the
same things at all the there's going to
be some
that just want to plck the RO a little
bit uh Ro balls are doing good one thing
that I hear a lot is on a real hot days
when there was a lne people couldn't get
they and that's unfortunate but we do
have a um you know a low limit in the
pool is y people
so sometimes there is a little bit of a
wait to get into the pool um and uh the
people who were outside for residents
because they feel they had to wait they
don't know who's in there for
nonresidents they're waiting so those
are decision Council have to decide on
whether or not like you said you
restrict it to just you know City
residents in charge of fee
um you know about what the time is I
mean I've seen clients out there
multiple days I'm
thinking today was no wai the mother's
cooling off now you know it's not like
it was two weeks ago when we 90 M was
everybody want to get in the pool and it
was the new fact that's right everybody
want to and everything we hear about the
pool everybody loves the yes it's
gorgeous it's just you
know number of people can allow wom a
railro day that's
the so I was wondering about that in
terms of um the 400 person limit and
somebody so is it the two people that
are at the front desk there that if
somebody leaves how do they how they
have a counter and they actually have to
give an ID and sign in so we know who's
in the yes sign that you know if one or
two come out and they leaving then two
in the
line what if someone's not swimming it's
all capacity 400 they the that it's hard
because there are some people for in
there that you know they're not so
they're there with your children and
they're
you know they're there because you have
to have an ad adult on the deck and
there's some you know dads and moms that
are just standing there watching the
kids SM we know they're not they're not
in but they still PR I'd have to check
on how and and it's more understand it's
the number of
lifeguards based on the number of people
inside the fence so if you're you know
you're standing there sup tie you could
jump in the pool
not likely to
happen Mo I thought
about we can do it that's what but that is a good point because I've
thought about just going over with a
chair and a book you know but um you
have to sit out true it's true it's true
um and this in the 400 is for safety
because that is different with the walls
so left cards have to be all on the PO
so they can see you know if somebody is
against the wall in circle where the old
pool is the visibility was a lot
different because there's no wall right
you can see so the 400 is limit for so
let me ask something on with the old
pool were there rules like this at all
and also at qu and Bush at Front Street
do they have this I mean obviously
they're not probably not getting 400
people but I mean basically the rules
would be the same whole department rules
are the same about replicating and
urinating and having a you know
swimming diaper um but you can't watch
everybody when they're on dressing with
their children and when you see it you
go over and say something we only have
to sh the PO down a couple times just an
that um the new yeah um but it it's
shortterm it's hour um you get it super
fated um little cool you know it's even
quicker because there's water there it
can be cleaned and so when you have had
to shut down the pool um I'm sorry sorry
I'm just learning you know today too but
um they have to leave the area vacate
the
area and that's where it gets a little
bit
um know little more difficult with now
you got to get everybody out of the
pool and you know they have to they have
to go outside and wait till the pool
gets up they got to wait that hour till
the so meanwhile let everybody just hang
and real
parents drop their kids off they don't
kids cellone call but it still creates a
mob scene you know certain age they have
to have the parent with them on
the no I I just want to pull up my photo
but um because I think there's only like
three or four rules posted right there's
two signs that are on one on the front
and back that are the blue
and white signs says warning tells you
two or more adults 18 years or older and you know no diving of this um and
then one on the back is the pool rules
what you're inside and it's full hours
the adult laps from hours capacity 400
people subject to change with the
Aquatic director's discretion waiting
times um a 30 minute wait after the last
slight sound of a storm and then there's
a 60 minute wait time to allow for
biological like I said for an hour it's
find the pool just biological issue um
no alcohol no no coolers no knives no
firearms um is that sign inside the pool
area yeah because I don't think I've
seen that sign so this one is in the
inside okay so there's actually a little
bit more on that than than on the one
outside then there's a life saving one
that has to be posted for the
911 um and then they have a lot of um
like paper rules like when the um visit
visitors come in when they come in they
sort of check in you have to sign you
have to show the ID right there's a lot
of papules I didn't grab pictures of
that because there was kids all the
RO but I do know that um I did talk to
Julie what we'll do in the next couple
days is get something to go on is
realize that we don't have our rules on
our website so um we should at least get
what's
posted on our website
M I actually and I I I'm sorry about
this I haven't seen that sign inside the
pool so so there actually were probably
more rules than I actually saw on that
sign that was outside the pool area
which is as far as I you know I've been
there and I've been in to talk to the
people at the front desk but I haven't
actually well walked in obviously and
they have some like I said there's some
paper you know notices or signs you when
they come in
so okay um just a little bit of a
learning curve from we had you know from
the big Central par pool right
so at the other pools are these are
there rules posted as well there should
be there used to be now kids have a
tendency ripping them down or ripping
the fence open as they did in um FR
Street pool they had the fence open a
couple times and got in and
um did a little swimming and actually
one day um we had to uh PD was there
fire department was there so the
ambulance and had to take a two
individual
by ambulance to the hospital too much po
orange shoes too much heat and you
really should swim one year like
that transport to the hospital and they
had stuck in and they weren't kids they
weren't they were
adults and obviously there's no fees at
those at those pools at any of our other
pools so that's also the other piece of
this is you know whether the when we
have rules would they hold true for all
the R um I would think that that would
be a I would say yes got to be around
the board I think yeah I think it has to
be the same at all at all the pools the
hours are they consistent at all the
pools no uh the other only pool weend
Cal okay but that's the only the only
difference among the pools right now no
they have a because of the lap and
resistance the hours are a little bit
different and they also give the
swimming lessons at Central Park because
they always did that yeah so yeah so
those hours are a little different at
second part for assuming lessons and the
um used to think of adults going for the
lap pole but there's a lot of younger
people that go in early in the morning
and they're they're using the lap pole
for exercise and the resistance walk so those hours are different because of
them I mean I'm okay with those I mean
obviously the hours being different
because it is that is a different as a
different facility right
so is it noon to 6 General yeah
ear do we track the visitors in who are
using the PO on the daily basis where
they're coming from um yeah I would
imagine because they have to show their
ID and they keep it I don't know if they
record everything
boys and girls I can check tomorrow
morning and see if they actually keep
the sheets usually it's a daily thing
you show an ID just in case somebody was
to get hurt at least they have a photo
of them and they go is it something that
you can present to the council like
report to say one week how
many they collecting zip
codes where the people are from so it's
not an
exact
address I can see what they have yeah
the reason why I asked you want to see
because we're talking about um fee for
non-resident not maybe resident a fee or
no fee for Resident so you want to see
how many usage from out of
town yeah I I I think that's a key
question something just for us to kind
of like looke and say yeah we have you
know a few hundred people per week from
all is using
asol I guess um how do people feel about
I think it's is let me just take a quick
look here
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again I'm pretty sure that Miss
youa does not
allow your resident only your resident
only um so that's also I mean I think we
have to make a decision about that we
don't have to make a decision about any
of this but I just that's something that
it seems to me um I I completely agree
with Paul um that the
newness is you know has lent itself to
some of the length of the lines but at
the same time it's a beautiful it's a
beautiful new pool and it it's only
going to get I I not that I'm a
scientist but it seems to me that our
summers are going to be hotter and
hotter um moving forward can we give
preference to our residents because they
to complain that people joining the lane
they can't get in they have to um
resident or getting in I we don't even
know if that's true though yeah but
that's just yeah we can look at the
report and see how many but that's think
we should consider is the preference to
resident to use
it and non-resident should be well
non-residents without a resident with
them as far as you know just say me and
I bring my granddaughter who's a
resident here but I'm not a resident
here so I I think once we get some zip
codes and find out exactly who's going
there right I mean you want to bring
your grandkids and that's a good point
the grandkids could be out of town or or vice versa well yeah probably it's
the adult that's the resident but the
grandkids could be visiting or you could
have any relative coming to town to
visit you and how do you get them into
the pool so that's another
consideration um not and then the other
piece is even the ID I mean I think Gary
did you mentioned at our last meeting
that um in the past um School IDs have
been used correct what I'm being told
though is School District collected the
IDS year reissues in September so I
don't know to what
degree that is
a
functional component
of I've been over there many times and
just a joy of seeing these 12 13 15 16
kids with towels and being with students
and walking home and walking over to the
park and coming and going so that's why
like to know who's you know what's the the ZIP code is is pretty
important I I think most of them are are
residents but the ZIP code though even
like when I think about our ZIP code um
it's the same zip code for n i mean so
the ZIP code isn't necessarily going to
um tell us the full story but it is a
starting point at
least do we have any
um do we have any we looking for
reciprocal agreements with any of the
other with
or and N is all you have to drive there
I mean I can't imagine anybody living up
there a couple of
homes um you know so they might have a
little bit more of control over we
definitely have kids as you said walking
I see them all the time walking to our
pool which is great it's it's really
exciting and certainly the other like if
you go up to um right Front Street yeah
I mean definitely I think our our bols
are are often walking to the pools
um one I mean you can see in terms of
the fees that um most of them have a
different structure for um it would be
SE like kids under a certain age get INF
free
um seniors might have a different or
actually like for example I'm looking at
Nuno right now they're their seniors are
free
um I I like all residents free yeah I do
too um so I guess it would just come
down to non-residence at this
point
I so I I don't know I don't think you
know they were never charged for years
over at um Front Street or um Hill Hurst
or anywhere
right uh to you you know the cost to
operate the pools maintain the pools um
they don't go down if keep going the
repairs I mean have Front Street and
black I need more repairs
um you so you know if you're looking to
try and offset some cost and you have to
look at a way of doing it for revenue
and the elated revenue is Fe if you
don't Fe we
have they're going to incur these costs
going forward um chemicals going go up
um y every year um just the cost of
maintaining at that pool is very large
it's got to be vacuumed
um there's staff there on a regular
basis every morning even though the
vacuums are um robotic ones um we can't
do them INE
because unfortunate some will take them
they cost a little over $3,000
3,000 um per per unit and we were trying
to track the one down because we ordered
two but only one came so purchasing is
trying to track down what happened we
didn't pay for the second one but you
know where it went or it just got missed
or it's just you know back ordered but
um so we have sa that goes up there
early in morning they have to check the
water make sure it's meets requirements
the health department before it can even
open
so um that's being done about pools so
those costs go up every year because
salaries and benefits go up every year
chemicals go up every year electricity
goes up every year um you know water we
put in the F goes up every year um our
budgets we see that so um it's just
something whether or not we for the
residents and we just incur the cost and
that's
it well me again I do feel
it's middle of July right I mean right
or end of July now I guess it's the end
of July next week is August 1st um I
mean I think anything that we're talking
about probably wouldn't go into effect
until next year the summer of 2025 I
just wanted to get the ball rolling here
um but we would have to know kind of
what we want to do in terms of budget
getting ready for Budget um because as
you said I mean I know you'll be
presenting um a budget that has the
these increased costs um you know when
you talk about the um staff that is
going in early and you know doing the
back that's that's not that's not not
young people no those are you know our
staff from the
because they're certified to do the you
have be certified to do
the and because they're already
operators whether the waterers waste
water they're certified to do certain
tests so they they can Comm in or we
have to train the parks and waste water
we do have people
around at night and morning early rather
than having somebody start at 4:30 in
the
morning you know and we have to look at
I think this was a learning curve for
boys and girls club too so whether or
not you know based on their experience
after the first season with the new pool
what will they require next year and
will
their go all the fees for services there
mhm so we can get that I mean again as
we're this is just a preliminary
discussion to try to start the ball
rolling but um obviously that'll be
something that'll play into you'll you
know I'm sure you'll get that from while
you're doing well so I know what I know
what the fee is for this year they're
charging okay it's in the budget um it's
just you know after they get to
um you after the season's over the end
of
August I can reach out to Shane and say
you based on the first year you know
what do we you know what are we thinking
should we going to be somewhere you know
maybe a 5% increase or we have so much
problems there it's you know also what
are we going to ask them to do that
might be new if you want them to start
taking in
money they you they may need an extra
person or two there because somebody's
going to have to now take money make
change give change so I you know I guess
some is what we're going to want to do
and
then how are they going to
charge
um they're going to be doing
that so I was um had a conversation
about Shane um and it seems like there
were like some issues there and I know
that he's been working um with the
police department to have a presence
there from the the times that um I've
been kind of more uh
more kind of hot over there like more
unintended like so there's been so he's
having some police presence there to
support that um and I just so I'm
understanding what you're saying is that
we probably would wait to see what
utilization looks like and like what
where we can identify whatever the
trends would be to say okay so we want
to plan for this trend that we saw last
year that every when 3:30 to 6:30 was
the time where they had like more issues
with people so they're going to have to
staff it more there so therefore their
cost could reflect okay I mean we you
know we we have a very good trend of
what the other pools were FR
Street Hill was open in the old Central
Park we knew our EIC cost we knew
everything and this is new for us now
this is new pool so we have to see what
our true costs were and you know I
know you know we do have a police
presence there now you know most of the
day you know is that going to be
something that's going to be carried on
next year because that's a cost you're
taking an officer off the street would
be or is it an offic that's on
overtime so for those roughly 9
weeks may say this pool went so good
maybe it's opened earlier maybe it's 10
weeks now we opened a little early this
year because it was
new open because it was hot it was wied
hot you know if we have a year like this
next year you know are we going to plan
to open a week early because that week
is everybody's pay the salaries and the
chemical for an extra week so um
so there's a cost that we don't know the
true cost yet as soon as the full closes
yes we can figure it out um best we
then chemicals be easy I know I know
we're going to purchase um but it's it's
the
sappy so I know there's also some
preliminary conversation with the school
district I don't know if this was just
kind of like a stop that measure right
now to see like you know what the
conversations have been how to like um
some of the district support staff have a presence there because they know
students and they know some of the
community members and can help kind of
like allate some of that concern I don't
know if that's something that they're
looking to do maintain and move forward
is that just like hey right now it's a
good response kind of all hands on that
see if we can support people and I also
are we in those coners are we in those
conversations so no so so these
conversations are between boys and girls
club in the school district um and I
haven't necessarily been part of those
conversations either I just um uh was
made aware of them so I'm thinking that I don't know if that's like
something that they're looking for
longevity or is that something that
they're doing now we
have call a PO monor somebody
that you know that the people using po
can respect a little bit
more you realize you know the lifeguards
are are young themselves high school
students and they're there for a very
important job they can't have their
attention different places you turn your
back and these arguments you when
something happens yeah that's that
wouldn't be cool at all whether or not
that's why I'm hoping at the end of this
season you know we talk to boys and
girls about chain say you know hey life
C things are fine as long as we can
concentrate on
life make sure nobody you know has an
accent in the pool but maybe there has
to be a couple other people that walk
around more of the pool monitor to try
and like the police officers right now
he's really
full monitor trying to you know which is
I mean to have a police officer that's
then we're taking somebody off the
street which is so you know so needed on
the street um I actually didn't know
that there was a police officer so the
police officer is there um all the time
is it just at Central Park just Central
Park he's there more afternoon is where
the problems are um but they you know I
see them go through I I hope there quite
a bit you know and they're they're going
through just
patrols okay so they're not
station one is station they
were on call basis there some kids who
were acting less than optimal so we've U
the Staffing the presence there still
somewhat on call they're
not not publicizing whether they're
going to be there or not because then
kids who in a bad manner would adjust
their schedule
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so I guess one more Point yeah I want to
go back to the no yeah please continue
on your um no go ahead with the point
that so I also was thinking like about
we're looking at utilization I know that
right now we're not capturing data where
people live and I and and I would I was
saying I know we're not capturing data
but people are in the city or out of the
city right now
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first few days first week so it's not
exact but
criminal could
sit 309 be City could be
n 03 and 06 are
also so I guess my point there was that
if we're getting that information and
not it might be to the mayor's point I
mean might not be really really concise
that but at least we can look at like
that D should drive like our decision
around like charging people right so
like because if we have a lot of people
that are coming from other communities
that we know that you know we can charge
them then it's a question sustainability
so
just yeah we did we did ask Paul for
that so he's going to
go bring that report to us and being
that we having this conversation now
would it be more would it be a better
data point to find out if they live in
the city not just their area code we can
kind of get more concise like I would
suggest that we just do that can can
start doing
that I mean again I I I actually was
going to say the same thing but again
know that for example I have friends
that live in Nuna but their their snail
mail
address connect um so even that like
somebody could write down connect but
not necessarily be a SKC a city of SK
well city of SKC resident people every
day go to the golf course and want to
say the city is connected the
president so at the golf course well of
course it's adult so they probably have
do they show driver's licenses or
something they do a secondary level of
validation where they
live years ago I had to bring a Nyo bill
yeah that's over over there to the Alamo
to get my
years ago people who were generally du
to be more than fluent were
tring
off and everybody wants to be from
connected anyway
let's
um the because even I mean if there was
a special IDE I mean we talked about the
student the student IDs from the school
district deani before you got here but
um uh Gary pointed out that I guess
those get collected at the end of the
year and then reissued in September so
that would be something that we have to
um if we wanted to use the school IDs
we' have we'd have to be talking with
the school district about some of this
stuff
um that was the case John why don't we
consider issuing an ID to use the pool
and we charge them an administrative fee
every year it's already on the books
that there's a
Recreation so that was one time used for
golf course for tennis for
other Recreation facilities we talk
about
the the recreation fund generally first
the only thing to really take money in
is the golf course right right it's
intent was more broad based set up I
think I think by doing that to with an
idea kind of REM control you have
control over it because if you don't
have an ID you can use the pool a city
isue ID you pay your administrative fee
and you show and use it with your
picture ID and your address I think
that's a great idea something that you
should consider it will help um staff it
definitely will everybody be it help we
could set it up so that um you know
there was a certain time period that
kids could first of all we could go to
the
schools if we needed to we could do it
out school but I mean we could do it
right at the pool um where we take the
picture and and generate the the ID yeah
you can you can done right there as they
showed up the ID and you charge them the
administrative
Fe could be like the week before the
pool have to go into a budget um I mean
that's why I think that we really can't
you know it's going to be a
2025 is there days that we're you know
if you keep track even though the
turnover the pool there you know it's
400 but you get there's been a thousand
people in the pool through the day
that's a th000 IDs you do that you know
seven days that was like that 7,000 IDs
you be making um I mean it just well
some of those duplicate
yeah
come but you'd have to add in you know I
mean if we're doing this I mean I would
going to also do it for the other pools
you see what I'm saying like it's not
just um I mean they if they get a
recreational ID they're getting that
recreational ID for all you know what I
mean it's like one I one card but I mean
you know it would be are they because
right now I don't think they show
anything right at idea at quack
bu yeah because it's the same thing the
life guards need to know who's in the
pool okay so they are like they're
signing I you know I never all the time
going up there we can never saw that we
can have the IDE General to use um city
pools it'd be kind of I bet kind cool
thing I mean like res res chargement fee
for that ID but if it's on the computer
they get your doctor's office you give
your name all of a sudden it pops up my
picture and they don't have to carry
anything they know they're going to lose
it a thousand times because I was
thinking that if we it likely will be a
couple different acceptable forms of ID
because what we want to do is is we
don't want to we want to be really
intentional about increasing access to
the fail we want the kids to be able to
do it so when we talk about any cost
that people have to ur we have to take
into consideration of you know some of
our residents who might um who might not
have uh you know their cousin or someone
with a pool or something like that and
they might not have that money to access
the pool we want to make sure that they
could do it we also would have to
consider the fact that there's a lot of
students that are that live in SKC but
go to Charter School schs or you know or
private schools or even home tutoring to
where a a student ID if we're using the
state school district wouldn't be
applicable for right um so but I think
that if like no different than the DMV
like you know you have like a list of
acceptable things like maybe like a a
school report card or something that that we can say okay this proves
that you live um in the city as connect
and then we can generate whatever that uh idea that's going to look then
you know I would just say let's just be
mindful about like not everyone has you
know it's going to have a student ID and
obviously my main thing is not
everyone's going to have money to to
again I think we were talking about
residents basically being frck right right right I brought it up a general ID so
you don't have to walk with your utility
bill you don't have one you don't access
you have a general ID and you have
access so we centralize everything
across all the tools
how charge for that I mean like you know
Char non residents or
residents get the ID to get the ID is
going to cost us so we have to pass that
cost back to so to
everybody and they would have to renew
it every year I mean we might be able to
again we're again I feel like a little
bit like we're getting ahead of ahead of
ourselves but I mean in that particular
case we also can I mean the idea of
talking with the school district is
maybe the school district helps to put a
bill for X number of IDs for their
students I don't know that they're
already putting the idea how do you get
away from duplicates so if you had kids
that have a city school district ID we
accept that and as Farley's point out
there some kids may not have that so how
do you fill the Gap with that so you
know you still may make it access so you
have to pay $2 to get it and
it's valid for so many years I think the
two bucks would probably cover our
processing
costs I think the county did something
like with the library cards
like I'm sorry no I'm saying like I know
the county did something like to where
the library cards the cost of a library
card um um was greatly reduced and then at one point you can go get
library card at no cost we we don't
charge money for our library cards um I
can't remember if there's a replacement
cost if I lose my no actually there is
not a cost because I actually did have
to go in and get a new card recently and
I wasn't charged for that but we what we
did was get rid of the FES um as well we
have no fines for overdue books right so
that that was that was us eliminating a
barrier uh to to access because we
wanted to make sure the kids were and
adults uh were were doing that there is
still a replacement cost if you have a
book that gets lost sure um there is a
replacement cost for that but I like the
school ID I hear what you're saying but
I guess and again it would me need a
little bit more research but when I
think about like Destin prep um they
probably have school
IDs they probably have some sort of ID
for their own students at or a Catholic
School like have they don't have ID but
the right so so we're saying the same
thing I'm not saying either or I'm
saying yes and like like let's if the
school district can be a resource that
where kids are getting this anyway then
it's like because if you have connected
the city school district you City
connect I mean that that would be right so that might cover I don't know
90% of our students then we're only
working with maybe that 10% of the
school population that live in that are
come visiting the pool and maybe only 5%
of them go to different schools so it's
like we're just building some things so
you know we can accept different forms
based on what people's situation is but
I'm really my my largest concern would
be that that charging people even
residents kids to get in the how do we
moove that if we can obviously this one
I mean I think Doren pointed something
out at the beginning of the meeting also
which is that for example if I had
somebody visiting from out of town um a
niece or you know brings their two
children um I'd want to get those kids
in too so in that sense um it's me
showing me my ID as a resent
um and then paying perhaps for
non-residents that I'm bringing with me
uh to to enter into the pool in that
case it's not a school ID but that's
easy right I mean I've got my driver's
license or you know something else some
of the other pools do have um for
example like a fob kind of thing but
that would be expensive um I think to
have to create something like that and
give out a fob to kids I don't really I
don't know what do you think
probably uh again like our city
IDs are ability to be encrypted so that
they can be used for
Access so those I don't know what the
cost for a blank
is it's minimal
well Cony
allows three nonresident guests per
resident yes that's right there's I mean
some of these have I mean I guess what
I'm going to need you all to do is take
a look at these um we'll have to have
another
meeting because this is too much this is
really too much to absorb all at once
but you can see the differences I was
going to try to figure out how to um
what's the word take this information
and kind of make a chart for you not
exactly but I I think we're all in agre
the vill shouldn't be a resident charge
but I do like a a recreational fee for
the ID with um uh certain circumstances
of not being you know you got 10 kids uh
you know $10 is a lot of money and could
be looked at on a family basis but for a
couple bucks just to cover the cost of
something that and the books is a fee to
play at the tennis
courts right we don't charge that
because it was costing us more to
collect the money than what the people
were paying now do you go back and do an
annual charge of 10 bucks or something
for
people I make you say are encrypted
thing I mean they have to have that to
even open the gates to the to the tennis
courts I'm just saying right that's
possible but you one person that has the
let everybody
in Colony has the for their 18 over you
get get a problem but no
chargeall that one's in here I have in
here and not get off cool you know have
meeting with regards to pickle ball
today and the same thing they we took
some Brian can and I and
um Richard under and
um about signs the rules and regulations
for pickle
ball um and whether or
not the council end up setting fees for
pickle ball or is that just going to
be the questions came up I don't know
you know I mean that's you know we have
fees like the mayor said
for we had trouble to sta somebody there
to try and collect the fees um we get
all the fees um the Seas it sits there
and some residents are very ad that um
they're not paying a feed they said they
came out to me and told me I'm a I'm a
taxpayer I'm not paying a
feed for the cours no the tennis courts
for the tennis we you know we in
2022 Council approved a resolution and
set fees for Resident non-resident
nonprofit and a commercial entity but
you know but there's not really anybody
there collecting those fees no you know
and how do you tell somebody your hours
up we need another $15
um it's just and pickle ball because I
played the winter down at the Li and
that's where the M pickle ball Club
plays and then they moved their outdoor
session to that's rich younger right Rich younger and I'm like they're
like but if if I showed up and I'm not a
member of the the Le um I could put my
you put your P there you so they rotate
you in but still I'm a resident I show
up with John and Josh and I'm on to play
but we can't play together because you
have to be rotated in we charge that
Mohawk do we charge them to use this no
you we discussed it today IM but it's
public park or somebody want to play you
know there there is the you know good
Sportsman where if you're on there I
knowall you know it lasts anywhere from
15 minutes you know up to 11 once you're
playing me it's 3
minutes you know and then would you get
off the court to let somebody else play
and there's and you know I said I can't
have anybody
dominated you know I I I again this is
just hearsay but I definitely have heard
that perhaps there is that particular
leag is kind of dominating those courts
and they own those
Sports so and Valley to you know I said
some basic signs and we'll do some
things but people from everybody else is
from
oh yeah no I over 200 members even when
we were starting to talk about those
ports I we got a hard time from from him in particular because we were
putting him up there and not down in The
Stockade and it was like you know I said
Rich we're talking like a a f minute
drive or something I mean it's not
like we can't do everything the should
go forwards we got this great swimming
facility you got the great a DI
great pickle B pickle ball is there
music C is there we have to have some
money coming in for routine maintenance
and some of the staffing issues it's not
like we're going to make huge amounts of
money on it but to maintain the level of
quality so that people can enjoy it uh
it's got to be a lower
eff he said that it's the way the courts
were designed there you don't walk
behind other players all never Leed to
court and everybody loves how Hill horse
was designed and oh yeah they love it up there they love it sort
of like you know the a DI it's like our
golf course now everybody comes to play
golf
here that's right the good the good
problems they have
right we have you know we have like just
high class facilities in all these
situations but tennis has book
constantly on my phone between USDA and
love they're just there constantly and you know most cours need some work
they want to stay there they bring
people in from all over at least USA now
they've given us they gave us a break on
the um on something Chris Chris W
presented to us what were
they well they're giving us money or
they're
contributing this point a half million
dollars toward the upgrade to the
facility yeah so but you have to
remember it sounds
impressive they have a revenue stream to
support that so they kind a big
following people want to come here
people want to
uh take advantage of that facility so
you know again we want to work with them
we want to make it happen
and don't want to discourage you right
so where do we go from here guys in
terms of I mean I I feel like I need you
guys to take a look at this stuff and sort of come up with the with the
best of of what is we've got time
because like we said well what we don't
have time for is we need to make sure
that the budget for 2025 is going to
include you know whatever we need but um
in terms of like I mean at this
point I don't I want to hear how you
guys feel but I don't think we can
necessarily like change rules right now
when there's probably like you know a
month and a half left I
agree we we can't add anything now I
don't
no we'll have to modify our signs
maybe
signs yeah I mean there's no smoking in
the park there's no smoking in the pool
area people are not necessarily
compliant I
know and that's where I think the kids
are probably having a hard time
enforcing stuff like that I'm sorry me
that no parking on the lawn signs um the
guys up there and tell me they're
constantly asking people to park on the
lawn and being threatened and who's
going to because anyway they're looking
for no parking on the lawn
signs and smoking or vaping that face
well that is that yeah cuz that's not on
the sun says no alcohol no glass no
coolers no knives no firearms and but
there's nothing about smoking I mean
people are smoking all over the park
believe me it's just not I was in such a
bad mood at the music when I was in the
concession stand two weeks ago that I
literally like went up to be I was like
heading towards people to like grab
their cigarettes somebody else no I know
but somebody else somebody else cut me a
different volunteer like got there first
and and said sorry you Cann not be
smoking here um so I said yes I turned
around and right back into the
concession stand but um I know
individuals too have problems with those
Cabanas people are putting up Cabanas
those
tents should can't be inside inside so
people are claiming like their little
4x4 with
the tents yeah and and for the infant
one um I know in
beachs you can't have any only have the
unell that but there's a rule that you
can have the um there's an infant t no these
are like t t they should not be and also
umbrellas because on a windy day they
don't secure them here comes the
umbrella about the down I've seen lots
of people with umbrellas I I I agree I
the sh there's no place to secure unless
you put it through our asro tur be
problem well that's right I've seen
umbrellas there you have to hold
it so
agree nexton comes a lot of different
rules you know some of the sign we're
going to have to modify take a sign down
and we do it in house modify the sign so
that um you
know the basic rules there could be a
list of maybe 16 or 20 rules that are
there to be followed um you know we we
work on that off season and have already
just
whatever is decided upon what put rules
and regulations in terms of timing I
mean in terms of like actually coming up
with pool rules which would again I just
want to reiterate that would be across
the pools of SKC not just the Central
Park although the hours going be
different because of the laps and you
know that kind of thing um we have time
right I mean we we probably wouldn't
need to like sort of finalize something
like that no I mean the
science well no you can move at your own
pace you have to have some level control
will be able to manage the facil so that
my to do some things and
most things looking do is what I call
common sense it's not right like you
need an act to Congress to get people
to but you will get people who challenge
it and say where's the sign says I can't
smoke it's over on right Avenue when you
come in it's in the city
cover well I that's up to I mean what do
folks feel I mean we can either you know
take a look at this and try to come up
with a broader list um and try to get
signs up if it sounds like that's what
you would actually want to have
happen well yeah the other thing I want
something
that's more standardized so there might
be some modifications for quack at a
bush or Front Street but it's got to
kind of make sense on a wide basis so
that we don't get people shifting from
one place to the other
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to find a loophole and create a problem
no I I completely agree with that and
whatever rules you put up you will still
get people who will try and work an
angle something it's golf course we post
you can't bring
alcohol the golf course you can buy it
people oh yeah sneak Con in their golf
bag whatever and you know
it's one isolated thing isn't
necessarily an issue you get more more
people doing it and you get people who
tend to make poor choices where you get
glitter you get them doing other things
that
are just
inappropriate I'd like to see no smoking
and vaping signs at all of our Parks
because I stopped bringing Ella to South
Park because I was getting in so many
arguments over there um and I didn't
want to get into a
altercation I don't know where it is the
FDA said that they would provide us sign
for the entire park system Michelle was
following up on that so they would be
things that are kind of standardized
National level I think they have some of
the educational components in it to you
know tell people the reason
why be smoking should be vaping
should that probably the woman that
comes
um yeah the to she probably has has
stuff like that also they do have sign
in the past they had a partner with us
provide they didn't provide this was
federal government I was trying to scr
money over who we can we successful
sometimes uh we should reach to them and
try to get some signs from them I would
like to see maybe that education
component because that's kind of like
what they're charged with and if we can
engage some of our younger people in the
community to participate in that maybe
even in that signage piece like they're
therefore you know we can kind of be um
leveraging their mission and there's
some education and then you get some
buying from the community too if people
are part of the process so I maybe we
just talk to them about like maybe of
community project that we want to work
with them on around sign Elementary
School poster contest yeah something
like that that can that can engage
students
iation uh um restroom
monitors anything I I know there's been
a lot of
flushing I mean we we increased the um I
think one of the problems was the
fixtures that were there were low flow
to sa water okay
to a a higher rate to to take some of
the St because I know I heard about the
one there was one issue that I heard
about with somebody sticking something
down there was a piece of rebar there
which could have came dur construction
it just fell in there just didn't get
noticed and was removin products so we
did put more of the high rate fixtures
in have we been having any problems with
diapers or anything like that in the
restrooms no um people still put wipes
in and you know we're checking when I
was up there this afternoon one of the
guys water plant was checking me the new
St pumps that they have up there so it's
just more animal quaintance thing and um
you there are just certain items that
shouldn't
go I know are there signs like there are
in any public restroom on haven't in the
lady room okay
I can't remember now more of the
problems are in the women's bathrooms
yeah yeah so
um I'll check that out also
um CU those signs I mean those are just
dur in terms of going to a restaurant
and make sure there's recepticles there
that have a choice to put them in if
they're not what happens is some you
know they bring a you know young baby in
and they're changing the paper and
they're just throwing something in in
the toilet
and if it doesn't get flush the next
person in they're throwing more stuff
and then there's a point where it it
can't take all that you know it's um you
know if you're going to use it it's got
to be flush but you can't just put a lot
of material in there um you know wipes
use on the end you know babies and stuff
to clean them off in in a diaper they
got to go a
can
not so do we so I mean I think the other
thing is the well you know a child of a
certain age has to be accompanied by an
adult me we don't have but we don't have
that posted right yeah but we do
have okay what is the age that we have I
can look it
myself it is sign so under 13 two more
adults 18 years older must be president
pool and use with at least one adult on
the pool deck children less than 16
years old must at all times be
accompanied by a parent or guardian or
similar responsible for their safety and
behavior while at Bing facility all
Waters yeah and there's going to be some
things have be modifi because you know
when we first started we you know we
thought you know what is it way me a lot
of 13y olds don't want to be with their
mother at the pool you know it's just
you know so somebody's going to have to
decide what is the appropriate age level
for a youth to be at the
pool you know I mean you read the swim
test in there lot of even Lake mour a
lot of people have to pass that's where
we
can if I was 1 my mother was standing
there watching me
just
yeah that would probably would have gone
to the pool back yeah this one Albany
definitely has children under the age of
13 um and if they they have to leave the
water and sit on the pool deck until
their parents have returned um but again
I mean I come back to
it's we have to talk to Shane as well
into these discussions because I mean
you know we got to make sure that the
kids are comfortable enforcing these
rules you know and that's the we things
out of the you know what you've provided
to the even they're allowing things um
again I think what we want is just
people dropping you know kids off and leaving them I mean when I was young
I Dro hard pool
I don't think they really careed who was
there with you I mean there was young
kids there I mean um you know we just
walk from diam homes and took your
little brother with you and you kind of
watched them at K why you were the
bigger pool but I mean you know it are
different now yes
you it's you what do we feel
is is a safe age to have somebody there
where
you know and how many you know during
the week how many parents they're
working right can really you
know 16's I think 16's kind of
old not my decision something we don't
have to be comfortable with that we feel
safe um
and help
too I and I I I apologize I should have
thought of that I should have probably
um thought about
having boys and girls club we
knew so oh no I know I just wanted to
get the balls I just wanted to get the
balls when I spoke to Shane he really
didn't know too much because he hasn't
been there right so Julie is right oh
yeah Julie is there is she a director of
Education I think yeah and she's she's
at the pool quite a bit she go she was
there this afternoon was there um and
you know she to give us some you know
some guidance and you know after being
there at 16 right age of 14 and 13 I
mean you know I we'll
have be a little lot better place make
sure
when so should we I guess my question is
when do you want to get together again
to um to think about this and we
obviously I
think I mean do you need do we need to
do something that's going to go for the
rest of the summer I'm feeling no I I I
just want on that the real point of
contention is going to be a fee
structure so what are you going to
charge basically
nonresidents having said that are there
scenarios where you charge some
residents
for referred swim times or other things
for the people that are going in there
may be some of those scenarios you want
to look at the core of having
kids from the city out using these
facilities should be done at
the most minimal cost so that they're
basically going in for
free
that's yeah I mean this you know it's
kind of high I think I mean how much do
they charge they're charging 10 bucks
for well an adult 13 years in is that
season
um no that's a daily rate they have SE
at Nuna they have Season Pass rates and
they have daily rates and so yes I mean
um 314 for a year for a family that's in
the same household it doesn't say that
there's a size to the to that not at all
um if you wanted to go in as and do lap
swim it's $15 for the whole season um
but then they have daily
rates um and I just I mean the children
under under two years are free two years
to 12 years it's $6 and so that would be
like literally every time somebody went
to the pool a kid they'd be paying six
bucks per
kid um so I mean I probably are hoping
that they're going to come get the
season pass could yeah no I'm sure
that's what they're trying to do they're
trying to sell season pass they want you
to buy the season pass because they know
you're not going to cut every day they
also I mean I felt that this was a
little complicated they have three
different seasons even they have early
season regular season and late season
and they charge different um they have
different hours depending on the season
and they even have a late season if you
only are going August 5th through Labor
Day you only have to pay half price for
those seon obviously you're not there
for the whole season but I mean I think
that's kind of
complicated most of the pools in there
school ends and you know Labor Day the
end of August because most of your staff
are high school students or college
students you're going back to school
have the
staff you have to close it y I mean the
colony town pool they do do the fobs um
and you have to have a resident key fob
and you apply for it at no charge from a
recreation office um and you have to
show the key fog in order to use the
town the town
pool
um you so that's I guess I need you guys
to kind of absorb this stuff and and
pick out you know
stuff that you think so I guess moving
forward next year most importantly too
is what what we might need to put into
the budget for next year well right
that's raising cost of
chemicals uh extra staff uh from the Boys and Girls
Club depending on what we want so are we
thinking that we'll sub submit kind of
like once we look through this then
individually we'll submit like what we
think our ideal thing will be or should
it be like a shared Google doc like
we're working document with everyone I
mean just you could do that I I would
have to figure out how to do that but I
think better would be to to do exactly
how you started out I would ask that
folks take a look at this and maybe
submit um you can either I guess submit
them to me and um what what are some of
the key key rules that you Paul could
you send me that photo that you took
today because I don't have that I only
have the outside the outside one I went
up and took um does that sound good are
you talking with Fe structure or are you
talking about rules I would say both I gave you as much information as I
could find for all these different pools
so you have quite a bit of
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data what and if we want non-residents
in if we do what Their fee structure
is interesting to see who's coming so so
that would be good too if we could get
some of that data but again we won't
have the the whole season until the end
of August
right um I mean I I think we should wait
until we have the full data I mean we
we're doing review of our budgets and
you know we in the Parks we we can
estimate some things and finalize it
prior to when the budget's being
finalized but yeah I mean for sure on
this pool the more data we have talking
the Boys and Girls Club the
better because we'll have more of an
accurate
I think the fee structure is kind M
thing and obiously the cost of you know
you you have a pretty good handle on
that that's but I would think that like
for the rules we want to kind of go into
this knowing that this is going to be
kind of a living thing that we're going
to have to we should just give ourselves
the ability to have some autonomy to say
you know what we thought this was a
really good idea but it turns out it's
not and and and this is the reason now
for those things that we not might not
be able to fory as far as rules go um so
I just don't you know you should know
that this isn't going to be written in
stone because we want to be able to be
responsive to the you know the needs of
the community so I I agree with you to
Mo to a certain extent but I mean we do
have to have some things that I mean if
we're going to print signs if we're
going to if if somebody's going to come
to us to get an ID we want to be able to
hand them you know I I'm pretty sure
that we do that with dog when I get my
dog license oh new stuff going on there
what new structure new structure dog
licensing
to same I still can't get them to drive
it's really unbelievable to me every
time I get the renewal and the dog
license they still don't know how to
drive but um but I'm just saying I mean
obviously when we when we give somebody
an ID or whatever it is that we're going
to use as our form I love I really like
the idea of a recreational
idea I I don't right I don't think that
we're going to be like you know what
bab's okay we're not going to like
change like certain things there are
some core things that we know that like
are likely not to change I'm just
thinking like around like maybe we get
the school district to put on their ID
that is a City Recreation
ID then maybe it's just a cost of a
sticker or something and people who
don't have that might you know adults or
other people who want it we charge them
what the processing fee is together
it part since you a fuse for tennis what
if he did a a teer recreational fee I
some people like to swim some people
like to play tennis and pick a wall
you're going to use all the city's
facilities there there's a price for
this if you're just a kid that wants to
go swimming you know maybe it's at
certain age you yearly pric is $10 for
the whole year um you know
but you know we have people playing
pickle ball we play
tennis maybe it's it's tiered setup
where you know you're this is a you this
is a full recreational pass it allows
you to pickle it and everything I agree
yeah something different for just
swimmers for because that's a that's a
short season pickle ball they're out
there if it's nice in April they're out
there if it's nice in November they're
there the same tenants they're they're
out there till we take the Nets down
yeah the swimming too is a staffing
issue we don't hire kids we remember
kids when they come in they want to work
for the city for the rest of their lives
this is in May oh they want this job
well August 1st well you know I got to
take time off you got to leave early to
go
back and so we have trouble you know
after that first week in August starts
to be a staffing issue where it's been
hot whatever we just have to have the
minimum and Central partment is the last
pool we close so Front Street will get
closed shutting down quck and Bush
moving people to Central Park but
there'll be times when we're probably
going to have to
limit attendance is the pool because we
won't have the lifeguards
right one question before um so I was
thinking with the school district what
about the sheriff's department you know
how they do the fingerprinting they work
it into fingerprinting City ID kind of
thing you know they always out I'm just
I just put that out there because of
school and this and that so that's a
good suggestion from Paul the general
IDE you know just sing Single it out for
10 pick them
off
everything that way you kind of like
control more control because we don't
have that IDE you can't show up at
either one of those facilities well no
one's enforcing pick we going to have to
we're going to have to start put some
resource there because the tennis thing
drives me crazy in terms of not getting
the money those are the facility we need to protect them but even if it
was this you know an idea that had a
stick or something I mean it could be
like a tennis racket a pool you know
what I mean like in the fee structure
when you go I guess to City FLIR you
know I don't know wherever you'd be
getting the the ID um you'd have that
this is going to let you use the pickle
ball courts this is going to let you use
the tennis
courts I don't know so we still have to
do more is it something where um you
guys want to make recommendations to us
or how do you what should be our next
step should we obviously I think we need
to all look through this stuff come up
with just the pool yeah I want to focus
on the pool right now um but that
recreational IDE I think is a good one a
good suggestion for so it's already in
the
book
just the PO I mean because we've got
five weeks left yeah and you know even
if we started doing some signs we're not
going to be sure what we truly want so
the signs that are there we're I agree
and you know the mayor said the
biggest say little but biggest is is
what you decide to set for fees or
resident versus non-resident and I don't
have any recommendations so I guess I
would ask you guys to um I mean again
dor deani John will take your input
because you're sitting here but if you
would send me your thoughts maybe um
maybe in a couple of weeks by a couple
of weeks to send me your thoughts on the
fees on any of these rules that the city
because we have to obviously have a
larger report back to city council as
well um and you have to tell me because
this is the first time that I'm holding
a committee meeting but I know I have to
give I have to get um we to have a
written report to present a report we a
written report that these guys at least
two of the three of us have to sign off
on or something is that is that the case
for
comme no no we can just do a
report we used to the clerk's office
prepares the minutes and members
sign okay great told
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me if you were to do a committee report
at our Council meting
the most recent thing I've heard she
told me I can no longer give chair Once
Upon a Time the chair was required to
give a report
yeah
that's so Josh will give us
minutes and we don't have to I mean we
can just report on it at next you can
walk out of this meeting walk to the
meeting upstairs and recap what you've
done at this meeting interesting okay
anybody Telling You Different
yeah I know that we we talking about our
new structure and I know the department
had they're providing their new proposal
to us why don't you help us in that way
kind of like um okay let's look at the
what is what is it passing us right now
drop this pool maybe a month out or or
thing and then we can factor that over
you know things so that would help with
kind of like how you know the fee as to
like okay costing us x amount
proposal give us some data to we're
going to need it anyway when we do the
budget I when we they'll give us a
budget when he does it but I I think
residents probably couldn't afford
what the we're meeting with the
Department a new shift so we're pumping
more water at the
pool that doesn't necessarily mean our
overall costs of G
we used to have to pump more water for
the Central Park Pool the well heads and
so the electric costs are going to show
up like we're spending more at
the pool but will our overall electric
cost go up they're probably going to go
up to some because it's a hot summer and
people use more water so it's not
necessarily going to be solely the
swimming pool but we may not have the
ability to break that down some of the
chemical costs are up more Paul's
looking at ways how do you manage that
how do you
mitigate uh things and some of the
recommendations that were
made may not be the most cost
effective I I think we should have a
recommendation from the Poli
staff give you much information whatever
we have so you know
what the trend is where it is and the
first year is always a little more by
trial error we after good start so you
know if I could ask Maybe by um August
7th if you guys would just get me after
you absorb this stuff and just send me
some thoughts um based on what our
conversation was today because Paul's
work is going to come to us um as we
start the budget season we'll hear about
the costs and the expenses for
um all of the recreation not I me you
know we knew our costs you know previous
shares with the three pools even the
four pools when um was open so they were
pretty pretty steady the only thing that
was fluctuate is we don't control the
Corine or the
sodium um so this pool doesn't use
sodium Hy it uses what's called pack TS
so you know that's that's for us um
there just
a theater like you have people have
their own home
pool
so all right it looks like we're um I
appreciate everybody being here um and
looks like we're we need to head
upstairs um relatively soon it's like
6:48 I think do you need to adjourn
anything 6:49 oh yes um so can I have a
motion to adjourn okay second okay all
in favor thank you and Josh you'll get
us
did you get that AUD for them to give me
input you can pull the transer from
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the
e thank
you I appreciate
it
so I could just
um got when she calls for committee
reports tonight should I say the health
you getting met and yeah you can just
say you met earlier today and you know
just summarize sumarized and then um you
can if you com appoint you just take the take the transcript from Josh and
just submit it this week these are just
not yeah yeah that's fine and I'm I'm
out of um I'm I'm on vacation as of
tomorrow should do just because um with
Community the the minutes for the
community is not the same as me yeah
it's happened was here okay that's fine
what you should do just give um MMA
heads up that you will just give a
summary and you will have the transcript
um later I mean I think yeah sure she no no just tell her you're going to have
um you're going to submit the transcript
one J provided to you okay yeah but just
give a fre for uh meting today
okay
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