count in Jesus name
Amen to FL flag of the United States of
America and to the Republic for which it
stands one nation under God indivisible
liy and justice for all we have any
veterans in the audience if you remain
standing we recognized
[Applause]
thank you board members you've had an
opportunity to review the agenda Mr
manager I think there is one addition to
the consent agenda yes sir chairman
George I would like to add one item to
the consent agenda it is going to be
item 8.9 it's going to be a request to
reclassify the solid waste coordinator
position to Solid Waste
superintendent is there a motion to
approve the agenda with that Amendment
motion to approve the agenda with item
8.9 added to
reclassify um Solid Waste Water position
second all those in favor raise your
right
hand thank you board
members we have a public hearing
tonight Henry a public hearing for local
match for funding of the 5311
administrative Grant and combined
Capital Grant an approval to transfer
funds from roap allocation to 5310
funding
Grant so we are in under that public
hearing is there any signups or anyone
to speak to thatman George no one has
signed
up is there any the U material was sent
is there any questions for the board or
if you just want to briefly tell the
public what what the grants for too the grant is for public transportation
to
transport um CI across the county or
into generally new hanb County for
medical treatment um often it's dialysis
and those types of uh needs it's to
purchase two new vehicles as well as for
our administrative match that'd be for
the next fisal
year any questions board
members Tom this matching Grant um it's
for the 25y year um gener right now now
um NC do where we purchase our vehicles
are running about a year and a half
behind so it could be probably another
year and a half before you actually
receive
those those vans they have to rack up
some miles I'll see them all over the
place hundreds of miles a
day there's no other comments or
questions we'll close the public hearing
thank you thank
you I think it's further in
it's in the in the consent
AGA public
information recognizing Jamie flowers
and Candace
Brewer president Morton thank you for
joining us tonight thank you appreciate
the invitation and glad to be here um
just to uh recognize two of our students
and actually it's unusual because uh
mother and daughter and they graduated
at the same time we recognize the other
day at the commencement and first I can
introduce the mother of the team was uh
Jamie flowers who earned her diploma in
Pharmacy technology Jamie initially
started the pharmacy technology program
in
2003 but PA their education is to take
care of a young kids and help them grow
up but persistance pays off and here she
is today in 2024 finishing that program
she hopes to secure a position I in an
inpatient facility where she can fulfill
her passion for assisting pharmacist and
providing patient care in addition have
a daughter here as well Candace Brewer
earned her uh diploma in Aesthetics
graduated from pen High 6 months early
looks his accomplishment and was drawn
to cfcc a studies program due to her
deep interest in the connection between
exterior appearance and mental health
well-being upon passing her state
certification she hopes to work working
at a salon where she can immerse herself
in learning about the field her ultimate
goal is to sort her own business but in
addition to that cace also received the
uh presence award which meant she had an
overall GPA of 4.0 so it's impressive
both were born and raised here in uh in
pen County and currently reside in
ainson and both chose cake fury because
of the proximity to home affordability
and overall reputation but what they
don't re realize is that when we have
commencement we typically give out uh
basically a letter in a portfolio a
folder and later because we have some
many students we mail them but I have
the originals here tonight for you so
you don't have to wait for them in the
mail okay so if you would you could come
up that's to Jamie
[Applause]
first and then also for Kansas we have
your diploma but also certific
[Applause]
don't stand up here on
behind congratulations
come over here
okay
right my
camera thank you both thank
congratulations
[Applause]
if I can why have your attention I just
want to mention a couple things I looked
at this morning overall we were up in
our um attendance last year enrollment
by 6% but actually in Pender County our
curriculum side we uh we increased by
over
133% this year over the last year and on
the ConEd side contined education we're
up 18 and a half per. this shows that we
really are pushing hard in Pender County
to increase the attendance and if you
recall you know a couple years ago we
bought two buildings over here in Bal
and now we've received $4 million that
go toward the expansion of Surf City
pretty much duplicate the space we have
there to add another 10,000 square ft
and so we continue to do what we can
here in pend County so thank you for
your support thank
you 6.2 annual update from Wallace
Pender
airport Mr Jones
uh good afternoon uh board members my
name is Ben Jones I'm the manager of
Wallace Pender airport and uh we're
happy to be here for our annual update
and um here's our presentation here is
this the clicker okay so um before I
begin we have officially changed the
name to uh from Henderson Field Airport
to Wallace Pender Airport
and
um it's a very exciting partnership
we've got going we love we appreciate
all your support throughout the year and
from the years past we also need is even
the radio calls are now the proper radio
call is Wallace Pender airport so Pilots
here that Pender County uh across the
radio and of course uh Mr Fred McCoy is
one of our advisory council members so
it's good to see you a lot of people
don't realize that's in P the county
wall yes yes yes
sir so here's a little overview of the
airport our identifier is Alpha Charlie
Zulu right now the runway is
4,150 Ft uh we have 100 low Leed Avgas
and we have jet a um we have a crew car
for Pilots to use and we've had several
Pilots that'll fly in across the state
other states they'll use the crew car to
go to burgal they use the crew car to go
to in town Wallace to do other various
business
activities we have tie down and ramp
Space storage places for planes to park
for transient planes and also stationary
planes right now uh we have 14 hangers
there and we have an onfield uh
maintenance facility that's privately
run there as well that's aircraft
maintenance um our clientele will get
business jets that come from all the way
from Austin Texas to look at new
business
opportunities and then we also of course
they'll will have house raford come in
to fly in their their check on their
farms and we also have a lot of
small two seater four-seater airplanes
and these are families traveling across
the country or they're for used for
recreational or flight training
purposes and uh here's our meet the crew
U that's me on my name is Ben Jones
there on the right I've got David pal he
he's in the middle he's a part-time
employee and I've got Anthony Roso on
the left he's also a part-time employee
and as you can see as the year's Trend
we're getting busier and
busier
um 2023 physical year we were just right
at the 6,000
operations uh mark this year we broke
the 7,000 operation Mark and I have
print outs if you would like to see them
later after my
presentation so the biggest reason we're
here today not only just for the yearly
up update all these projects that we've
been talking about is is finally coming
together it's finally happened the grant
money has been awarded and the bids are
in and the road relocation project will
be starting between November and
December and as you can see Old bille
Road and Wallace Airport Road will be
rerouted and the old road will be
reclaimed and the the runway will be
extended to 5,500 ft and this is so
important because more private jets and
also more flow and of customers will be
coming to the area spending money in
Pender County and also the land around
it can be developed for Aviation
purposes bringing in a lot more jobs to
the to the
community and here's a closer look at
the map as you can see and this has been
on the wall of the of the FBO terminal
for several years now and it's it's been
at least a five-year project getting the
do to approve and the grant money so
look for changes around the rock fish
area of of Pender County right there
around the
airport the second project we have which
is happening even sooner it's going to
be the runway rehab and lighting program
we're going to be rehabing the existing
Runway that we have now getting it ready
to extend in possibly two years from now
and it's all do Department of Aviation
Grant funded through the dot and is
going to me out the old existing Runway
and we're getting new LED lights which
are better for the pilots to see at
night they also use less electricity and
they also have a much longer life on
those individual lights and of course
the project will also be prepping for
the runway extension and that'll be
early September 2024 so now I'm thinking
that's going to be more at end of later
September 24 and this grant money has
been already awarded and um Fred Smith
Company got the bid for this individual
project uh Barnhill got the bid for the
re Road relocation
project so now as we're expanding
looking to the Future here is the map
that shows
you the F the total phase one
project uh the the new phase one project
will will have a parallel t tax way now
Pilots have to land and Back Taxi to get
to the ramp we'll have an actual
parallel taxi way the new improvements
are there are in the
purple we'll also have a new FBO
terminal building a 10 acre ramp which
is in
Orange um and the plan is to build
corporate and general aviation tea
hangers and as this airport grows the
economic impacts for pendrick County I
would say would was going to explode for
this community because we're going to
have so much more offered for larger
companies to move to Pender County
because they look how close their
company or their Farm is based to a
large general aviation
airport H I didn't
want and here's a larger map of the
project of this is phase one phase uh
the end of phase one this is after the
road has been realigned the earliest for
this the road has to be done first and
that's a 365 Day project just for the
road so next year that should be
finished the phase one project is two to
three years out in the time window for
the runway extension and the parallel
Runway and just a quick conclusion we we
love serving our community uh we have
the Young Eagles Boy Scouts they fly
children from the age of 7 to 17 three
times a year at the airport and and uh
it's a free airplane ride for children
in the and they can get their Aviation
badge the bo Scouts and it's not just
boys it's boys and girls in that age and
it's a free airplane ride all they have
to do is sign up in advance through our
uh the the Young Eagles program and they
can find that by calling the airport or
also the EAA chapter here in bural at
stag a park they also partnership with
us there as
well the mlad leadership academy also
hosts a a ground School for Children uh
interested in learning aviation jobs and
they come three times a year and we host
a class with the kids about different
job opportunities in the world of
Aviation and we're also connecting
Pender County to the Future we're
growing and seeing what other benefits
and other opportunities we can bring to
this area and I invite each and every
one of you if you have any questions
please do uh come by uh Wallace Pender
airport we'll give you a tour and uh you
can get in depth of more the projects
that are upcoming to come and if there's any questions I'd be happy to
answer them for Wallace they going to
run a order and sewer line out there
that is that's the plan that's in the
works
right is M
there
yeah and probably Sil would be a
big that should be a big name changer
get that Runway
yes
sir Mr Jones thank you for the uh the
update on on that's wonderful to know
that um that the
airports partnering with with local
communities especially the Young Eagles
and Mount Calvary that's a great program
to yes sir it really is and that's what
it's about the youth yes sir we had our um 70th Anniversary flying
this year too uh back in June 15th and
we had over 200 PRP precip
precipitates so that was very exciting
as well awesome great so uh anytime you
have any questions just please come on
by and visit us and we really appreciate
the support and grow Aviation and this
community we appreciate it for Pender
County and welcome Mr manager Mr Rob
Taylor app
Wallace Town manager
there any other questions comments
we appreciate it thank you yes sir thank
you
6.3 fall Veterans Services update Miss
Lee good evening everyone I just wanted
to give some updates for late summer
early fall things that are happening in
our office um in our community for
veterans
so we do have the 911 coffee and
breakfast for veterans that's going to
be held at 9:00 at the Hamstead Library
completely free uh we do ask because
there's limited availability to just
contact myself to
RSVP there's also the monthly burgo
veteran social that we're going to be
doing at the old Carolina eery this
month it is this Saturday from 10: to 12
also free for veterans in their families
to come join and come out and see
us we will be hosting assist training
which is is applied suicide intervention
skills training on November 6th and 7th
um that's going to be at the Hamstead
Library again completely free um not
just for veterans can be for law
enforcement um anyone who's interested
in attending um it can be used towards
certain accreditations and cus depending
on the field you work in again just
please contact myself so I can save a
spot for you because there's limited
availability the Marine Corps League uh
is going to be having their annual
barbecue fundraiser I think Hamstead
Annex uh going to be $12 per plate
that's going to be on October 12th um
you can contact again myself or any of
our staff if you wanted to buy a ticket
in advance or you can buy them right
there that
day operation green lights coming up
again um you'll see me again next month
to talk more in depth on that but that's
going to be U observance in October but
then the reflection of the lights from
the 4th through the 11th at the uh
County
buildings there's going to be a virtual
Town Hall coming up soon for the VHA for
veterans to attend we're also working
with them to try to get one in person
here in Pender County so in the works no
dates have been set
yet um and here's just a little update
that we got from the veterans benefit
Administration the other day uh the
biggest thing uh to highlight in this is
that they have surpassed 2 million
claims processed so far this fiscal year
2024 and the average Grant rate was
64.6% with which the average disability
rating being around
70% and then then there's our contact
information we thank you is there any
questions comments appreciate what you
do help me a lot to all the veterans and
we really appreciate thank you what
you're doing good to see you out last
time at the coffee too yeah I like that
it gives um gives veterans a place to go
to socialize um
I would like to see more of that as I
think it would be helpful for members of
the community whether it's U County
sponsored event or not and um um
Carolina eery is uh very good to sponsor
that for our local vet so I want to
shout out to to them they've been
amazing and and we bring we try to bring
in a different speaker each time so it's
not the same thing over and over again
um again no pressure to you know towards
claims or anything with our office it
just allows them to meet other veterans
that they may not have been able to
connect with um as well as see what
resources are available to them let them
Network absolutely thank you thank you
good
job 6.4 imagine Pender 2050
comprehensive land use plan Community
engagement
events good afternoon uh Mr chair
members of the board uh my name is Adam
Moran I'm the long range planner for the
county and we're very excited to be
moving forward uh with the Imagine
Pender comprehensive land use plan it's
a new comprehensive land use plan for
the county which is has a lot of impacts
on the county over the next few decades
um so it's a we need everyone kind of
giving their feedback and that's one of
the things I wanted to uh share with you
all today um as well as a very brief
update we had our second steering
committee uh meeting back on July
29th uh working with our Consultants
Clarion Associates and um you kind of
started talking about the the survey
questions online survey that will be
coming out which will um tentatively be
available on uh September 17th through
October 22nd so that's not 100% but that
I think that's what we're we're going
for and that's the tentative date for
the online
survey um a couple of documents are
being you know kind of solidified by our Consultants a community policy
profile uh which kind of just looks at
all the different plans and ordinances
and everything that kind of guides the
county and policies and
ordinances as well as a community
Factbook which is a lot of you know
great background information that will
be kind of an appendix to the the
finished plan there is I want to tell
everyone as well there is a website
specifically Al for this please um go
check out the new County website in
general that we got this summer but also
U Pender count nc.gov
imagin uh to go find out all the the
different updates and and things that
are happening uh with the plan as well
as uh an email address specifically for
the plan it's imagine at Pender count
nc.gov so if you have any questions uh
please feel free to reach out to me
through uh that means uh also very
specifically wanted to talk about the
community engagement window I already
mentioned the the online survey that's
supposed to be coming out on September
17th but we have a I don't know we could
call it a road show we have a 10
different events we're going to be
around the county uh you know letting
folks know about the comprehensive plan
but really seeking that feedback uh from
members of the public so we have uh
starting uh September 17th and 18th
there's two events per day and then
after that we're going to calm it down a
little bit and do one event uh per day
over the course of three weeks uh not
every single day U but you see the dates
there on the board and I wanted to let
everyone know uh here there's these
little pieces of paper I'm sorry if it's
very small I can print you bigger ones
they're out on the table out there
please take them or talk to me and I can
get you a bigger printed copy um these
are uh events that we're going to have
where everyone would be able to come to
these different locations and learn
about the comprehensive plan why it's
important and uh also offer your
feedback on growth development uh all
the different things that that everyone
um you know has a lot of things to say
about and so these are the great
opportunities we have um coming up and
be happy to answer any questions but
just definitely wanted to share that
with
youall any questions board members
I just appreciate you for to putting
these meetings together for the
community this is going to outline the
growth for the years to come thank you
for you and your team for doing that
giving everybody the opportunity the
citizens you know growth and
developments on everybody's mind right
now and it's a good thing a good way to
get their input and give them some
ownership thank you yes sir thank
you so this is the first set there'll be
another set of community meetings at
towards the end correct would I'm sorry
there's another set of community
meetings that'll happen after the plan's
kind of started right yeah after there
the consultant has drafted the kind of
first draft there will be it should be I
think around April of next year there'll
be kind of a reveal or you know open
house type of uh events where we get
public feedback on the the draft copy of
the plan yes
sir so the The Early times I'm kind of
concerned about is that you think you'll
have much participation from 2 to 4 in
the on Wednesday afternoon uh we are
very much going to try to get the word
out on that and kind of the reason we
had that is our Consultants are in town
at that time for for that particular day
yes
sir I just want I just want everybody to
have the opportunity I mean it covers
from the coast to the count to the
country and U I don't want anybody left
out because they can't make it
to a 2:00 meeting in Atkinson with
majority of people in Atkinson don't
work there they work outside of that was
my only concern when I seen the schedule
that some of the time seemed early for
people that at work outside of those
areas yes sir other that I'm glad to see
it's finally moving that's great thank
you thank
you any other questions
not we thank you we are
at public
comment how many do we have we have six
individuals signed
up all right so I'll read the little
statement here speakers will be
acknowledged by the
board tonight be the county manager in
the order in which the names appear on
the sheet speaker shall address the
board from the podium and begin comments
by stating name and address speakers
shall be courteous and respectful in
their remarks and shall refrain from
personal attacks the use of profanity
and the discussion of personnel or other
matters deemed confidential by law
speaker ERS are limited to 3
minutes and so we're ready to go Harold
Fields is there a Harold Fields
here there was two gentlemen that signed
up early that that left I know I I don't
know if they were the first two but I do
know two two gentlemen signed up early
James
Wilson they were here to speak on the
waist M waste yes sir
treatment okay we'll go to the next
person Kim Meer
good afternoon Commissioners uh Kim
Meyer 102 lesie
Lane um I have a a video I guess it's
about to
go not sure if he's going to show it
this is actually Foy Plantation in
scottshill
um that's now he's on a different
one basically um what these videos will
show is that um Scotts Hill received a a
lot of water as did every Community um
I'm sure in Pender County uh the weekend
after Debbie passed through um I have
some photos from
4205 Scotts Hill Road this is um Herman
and Susan um I'm sorry Wolf Gang and her
Wolf Gang and Susan Herman's yard they
actually are at the 16 foot drop from 17
to Scotts Hill Loop Road and they're
receiving a lot of the sediment that's
coming across from Blake Farms this is
actually their backyard and I'll pass
these around so y'all can see them
they're kind of rolling up on me right
now um in addition to the developments
that are at um 17 Blake Blakes form we
also have uh sweet grass that's coming
through and this is a flood map of what
um that area where sweet grass is going
in looks like and I also have the
proposed housing that will be put in 228
homes in that area um on this USB I've
got a drone video of of that field and
of uh Foy Plantation there's also a
video of Oakville and a video of um boy
Plantation the one that supposed to be
showing um I also have more photos this
is a damaged drainage system and I do
want to thank um Daniel Adams and Beth I
don't I didn't meet her so I'm not sure
of her last name for coming out to our
area and looking at this drainage system
where it's completely damaged and
blocked off and Foy Plantation is
receiving quite a bit of rainwater then
from Scottdale and it's causing um
flooding in my yard and then in several
other properties as well um there's
Drone footage as well on that and then
we have um actually some of the field
and the flooding in the field the
concerns here are um damaged drains that
have not been fixed and um we understand
we have to work through the NC do our
concern there is that we've contacted
ncdot and we don't get any response so
we'd really like to engage with the uh
County and make sure that we get a
response so that we can address those
drains and then the development which um
the Drone V footage would show
um we they're they're going to have
three Retention Ponds but um what we
would also like to suggest is that they
pump water and have filter system so
that they can you know dump off into the
futch creek into the inra coastal you
know we want to keep our waterways as
clean as possible yeah what going to
happen this is the
footage for
thank you thank you ma'am
next up we have Ellen
ganis
welcome good afternoon board members my
name is Ellen ganus and I live at 22 Lal
Street in Scotts Hill my family's had
property in Scotts Hill since the early
70s and I've been a homeowner since
1994 I'm coming to you today like Kim
because we are very concerned about the
storm water management issues in Oak
Veil and the other Scots Hill
neighborhoods we've all experienced
floodings in recent years we first
flooded in hurricane Floyd
1999 where the data suggests there was
18 to 24 Ines Floyd was considered a
100-year flood however since then my
garage has flooded five times um we
flooded in September 2016 April of
2017 July of 2018 Florence um Florence
and September of 2018 we had 24 inches
of water in the garage um with hurricane
Debbie the backside of it two weeks ago
um we ended up with 12 Ines of water in
the garage we had water that filled
ditches and was rushing down the
driveway and over our BMS I'm not sure
which retention Pond they came from but
I had minnows not tadpoles Minnows
swimming in my garage closed garage
clearly there's something not not
operating correctly with the storm water
management system
this last rain after Debbie left
multiple neighborhoods flooded and
residents without access to the
driveways they were either cars were
stuck in the driveways or stuck on the
road um this is inconvenient for them
but is also a safety concern as fire and
rescue workers would be unable to reach
these homes if there were a fire or
medical
emergency so it's our understanding that
you that the natural flow of water from
Oakvale is through Foy Fields where
Kim's video just showed the Sweet Water
development is planned to futch Creek um
where will that water go when the
topology changes futch Creek um is set
up to drain according to the research
that I've seen
3,813 acre Watershed with
12.3% of impervious
coverage please help us with the issues
that Scott Hill residents are dealing
with um and thank you for your time and
attention to these storm order and
future management
problems thank you thank you thank you
ma'am I cannot read the individual's
name but the address is 330 Lafayette
Street addressing
flooding okay thank
you I wasn't planning on speaking but
I'm here with my neighbors um I'm from
Scott no
Oakvale and um I'm new to the county we
moved here last year and we are
concerned about flooding with Debbie our
backyard flooded yes it was only our
backyard we didn't have water in our
garage but our backyard also backs to
the new sweet grass development so I can
only imagine what will happen
once the topology changes and we have
water coming from sweet grass into our
backyard it's not just our backyard it's
the whole
Community um streets were flooded um I
think there was a called the saac that
was flooded for days after Debbie um
let's
see we recently also we just dug a hole
in our backyard and it's it's clay soil
so there was water with 2 and 1/2 ft
there was already water there so I don't
know what they're going to to do with
the development but I think something
needs to be done just to drain this
water thank you thank you thank
you last individual that has signed up
is Tommy
Batson so we're going to pause the timer
just so it doesn't um Tommy's given an
update for the county to to the public
information good afternoon chairman and
Commissioners um three weeks ago today
em staff started preparing for what was
going to be possible storm in the
tropics um on Saturday August 3rd um a
tropical storm Debbie is formed on
Sunday the 4th Debbie became a hurricane
and on Monday Debbie made lamf fall at
5:00 a.m. near big Benin Florida with
Winds of 80 M hours of cat one storm on
into Tuesday we continue to prepare for
the storm and on Wednesday the USC was
activated after a state of emergency was
signed to 5:00 p.m. the day before two
shelters were open at topso and cap for
elementary with no one coming in in the
24-hour period they were open during
Wednesday evening the county received
two tornadoes one in Maple Hill around
Highway 50 and 53 and also one on 421 at
the Samson County Line no injuries or
major damage to any
structures and it continued to rain
Wednesday into Thursday morning Thursday
evening rainfall mountains and Holly
Shelter were 3.29 in in areas of Long
Creek and Curry Community received 11 in
the EOC received 6.58 in of rain and the
Hamstead Annex received 6.8 in of rain
the weather service has been calling for
10 to 15 they had pushed it to 15 to 20
and we were spared with the dry air on
the back side of
Debbie which in the next coming days as
you all know we saw rain um Saturday we
knew both the Northeast Kate River and
the Black River would go to Major flood
stage NC do closed Highway 53 between
Maple Hill and bergall around 2: p.m. on
Saturday the OC knew this was going to
be a potential threat to the county so
we went to a minimum activation on
Saturday afternoon and through Saturday
night Sunday morning the e was in fully
operational status at 8:00 a.m. and went
to 24 operations until Friday at 5:00
p.m. also on Sunday a swift water rescue
team from bunkham County Task Force 2
arrived here in the county to assist
us and um on Monday that team was demoed
in task force 9 out of fat will arriv to
Back Field that team Tuesday the
Northeast Kate fa River crested at NC
Highway 53 at 16 feet. 51 ft 16.5 1 ft
that's just over major flood stage at 16
ft the Black River crested on Wednesday
at 11.7 fet around 8:40 a.m. due to the
continuous flash flooding we had
Wednesday Thursday in Scot hill we went
into Scott Hill on Friday morning
evaluated some out took pictures and
then the continued flash flooding
Friday and Saturday and then the Sunday
and adkinson Burg on Maple Hill added to
the rainfall mounts and after a six- day
total rainfall mounts in pend County
averaged 9 to 20 in which was back to
the original forecast of the National
Weather Service just some little food
for thought water rescue crews contacted
120 homes in the flooded areas where
people were Sheltering place in the
flood waters also 10 people were
evacuated by Swift water rescue teams to
Higher Ground and 18 water rescue calls
for people stranded in their vehicles
and every one of them was a case where
they drove around a
barricade what where were where were the
10 residential rescues they was
scattered out some on the Black River
some on the northeast cap feir River and
I do not know the exact location of all
10 so they were trying to drive through
that border we had 13 people removed
from vehicles that attempted to drive
through flooded roads that dot had
closed during the six day period the 911
Center received 80 calls for weather related events in the emergency
management app did 44 push notifications
either by our office or by automatic
weather
notifications just a little rundown
supporting agencies the Pender County
elected officials each one of y'all had
reached out some of you stopped by and
that was appreciated all the County
Employees the Sheriff's Office the
Pender County 911 Center all the local
PDS all the fire departments across the
county Pender fire and EMS Pender County
Schools Steve path and the National
Weather Service Team in Wilmington
bunkham County Task Force 2 swiftwater
rescue team fat task force swiftwater
rescue team the North Carolina Forest
Service Brunswick County Emergency
Management dupan County Emergency
Management North Car emergency
management Leland fire Stanley County
911 Hamlet search and rescue the
American Red Cross North Carolina do the
highway patrol and the north Carina
Department of Agriculture and many local
businesses and that's just a quick
rundown on the storm and we closed the
state of emergency this afternoon we res
sended that order at 4:00 and we're back
and no more
operations I have a
question by what Authority Under what
Authority do you put up those signs
saying high water don't go through for
the 13 individuals that you had to
rescue out of their car what was the
signage that they went went past they
were all road closed signs that is all
handled by North Carina do and then they
handle it because it's their Road they
close them and even though a barricade
may be moved out of the way NC do has to
go out and do a full Road inspection
shoulder inspection if it crosses a
bridge they've had to go out and do
bridge inspections prior to them having
to open it up
and but that's a highway patrol manner
to enforce yes and is that being
enforced Highway Patrol did their best
attempts to keep po out there but I
don't think they had adequate staff in
has maned all the control points
247 would you consider that that signage
is related to safety it
is I don't know uh Mr County attorney
but correct me if I'm wrong violation of
a safety statute is negligence per se I
would definitely say so yes Comm and
today we only had one injury throughout
the entire storm and no deaths here in
this County did you receive any calls
from any of the folks that saw fit to
drive past the road closed sides the
many of them call 911 for assistance and
we for the rescueing teams no no no
before they went around the side we did
not and if I may expand briefly um the
county does not have authority to close
the roads it would be either through the
sheriff or do in conjunction with the
highway patrol on doing that so I mean
the the chairman enacted a state of
emergency but but the statute was
changed the county as the county does
not have authority to close roads uh
what what my point is while I sympathize
with people having to get home having to
cook supper having to get home from work
having to do you know when we're in a
state of
emergency um we know in this County
pretty much if like at my house I know
that there's a place on shalow road
that's going to flood I know it so I
just have to go another route um but I
think that it would behoove people to
make accommodations for for these types
of things when they know we're going to
be in a flooding situation rather than
putting their lives at
risk and thank you for having the staff
to go out and the Personnel to go out
and do these rescues we appreciate app
it thank you anything else and for
keeping us
advised thank you Tomy done thank you
Tomy we're at consent agenda is there a
motion to approve the consent agenda
including
8.9 which was the addition for the um
reclassification yes sir
make motion for approval with addition
8.9 motion is there second second motion
a second all in favor raise your right
hand 9.1 resolution approving the
County's application for grant funding
through the wmpo for the design of
multi-use path along Country Club Drive
Isa Drive Jenkins Road and St John's
Church Road in Hamstead Mr
Moore good afternoon Mr chair members of
the board again
um so I have the pleasure to be able to
um request a uh consideration of a
couple of resolutions that uh the
planning department is is asking for
we're seeking grant funding from two
different grants for the same uh project
and that project is a multi-use path uh
that would run from the intersection of
Country Club Drive and Sloop Point Loop
Road uh also intersecting with the
existing uh multiuse path between hsed
kuas Park and North topsil Elementary it
would run all the way up Country Club
Drive to um
us7 cross over us7 and continue up
Jenkins and uh North St John's Church
Road to the the combined school campuses
there at topsil High School uh also
there would be a connector along a Zia
drive to the the existing path that that
connects in um not quite at the
intersection of Country Club Drive there
so that is the the uh project that we're
seeking to move forward with uh with
y'all's blessing and um this it project
came from a feasibility study it's the
East Coast Greenway the nc210 East Coast
Greenway feasibility study which was
completed last year and adopted by uh
the board earlier this year um we're
seeking um adoption or approval of of
two resolutions for those two grants and
the two grants one is through the
Wilmington Metropolitan planning
organization uh it's using Federal
monies for that it's an 820 match so 80%
with those Federal monies 20% uh with a local match now the exciting part is
that we're also uh applying for uh a
second Grant through the state Parks and
Recreation division uh for it's a It's
called The Great Trail State program and
uh that would potentially you know if we
got both those grants that would cover
the
20% that would remain from that 80%
match um so ask yall support and and see
if you had any questions about those
resolutions there any questions
comments and if we didn't get the um
second grant that you were speaking of
the 20% matching portion to the county
would be
$168,000 yes ma'am when would
construction of this pathway take place
yes ma'am uh so that would be after
sorry this is the for the design phase
and is projected that the design phase
would last two years and so there would
uh the county would need to seek more
grant funding or or find funding for the
construction so at least 2 years from now is uh when construction would
start so we don't know how much this is
going to cost this is just the design
phase uh yes ma'am this is the design
phase the projected cost um from the
feasibility study as um for these
sections is uh $1 million I
believe yes
and we don't know when construction
would be if the construction would be
after completion of the
bypass uh it would be at least two years
out uh the federal money requires that
it be completed uh before 10
years so there's a little bit of a
window there yes
ma'am so these paths are crossing all
over New County now and a lot of those
the do have has come back and help fund
or funded part of so hopefully that is
the intent here that we'll get some of
that the the multi-use path along SL
Point Loop
from um Country Club to North topsel was
a state funded
um pathway I think the only thing the
county has had to do was take ownership
of it as far as maintenance cut cutting
the grass
yes sir the area they're talking about
putting this is a well-traveled area
it's very busy with people trying to
ride bikes back and forth to the park
and walking through the park and and
trying to get to the golf courses and it
would take some of the traffic off and
there's also a planned subdivision of
1100 homes that would that attaches to
this walking trail so hopefully you know
we can um leverage some of that with the
approval of that you know that's
where they they get a portion of the of
their 300 and some Acres there they can
front with some help us pay for part of
it and their
construction is there any other
questions or
comments if not is there a
motion I I I just want to make a comment
um this is this is uh something that we
had looked at uh with the bypass uh
several years ago when this opportunity
came up for funding uh for a sidewalk
along that area through that area um I'm just concerned about on its face
it's not very transparent or clear to me
the total cost of this project and with
the other
construction projects that we've got
going on in this County and the
uncertainty of when the bypass is going
to be completed I I'm I'm I'm just
concerned about it um given that the
design phase if if we have a second
Grant to cover the
168,000 then it's going to be a
considerably lot more money for the
actual construction and again it needs
to happen I understand that it needs to
happen but my concern with this is lack
of transparency with regards to full
cost of the project and things change
with regards State funding um so that's
those are my comments that's what
happened on the sidewalk I think didn't
they change their funding so the the
sidewalk the multi- use pass on the
sidewalk that that project has been
funded from Washington Acres Drive not
just the sidewalk part of that but the median project which encompasses a
multi-use trail on each side of Highway
17
has been funded prioritized as the
number one priority and funded with no
matching with no matching with no
matching right from the do starting in
2031 which is supposed to be immediately
after the bypass opens in
2030 um so again would it be prudent for
us to wait and hope that do could then
also fund this other section that will
connect those I don't know that without
the uncertainty of the financing and the
matching grants and the 11 million price
tag that you had just referenced do do
you see what I'm saying I do but I don't
know that waiting is going to offer that
as we've seen with the DHS h building
and the the law enforcement center and
the school uh bond issue the longer you
wait the more it cost so yes we can wait
and and
two years and it's $44 million instead
of 11 I mean that's just the way things
have has has progressed here lately and
I don't see any relief in in sight for escalating construction costs
um that is going to have to be I'm
assuming there's going to have to be
right aways purchased the property
values in that area that this would
propose for they're not coming down
they're they're constantly inreasing at
a rapid rapid pace so I don't see that
we would benefit by waiting but that's
just I can't make a motion or so that's
just my opinion on the project but this
tonight is not the $1 million for
construction no no this is for the
design phase which could at
$168,000 I'm sorry sir right that's 20%
cost count GRS right if we don't get the
second Grant to cover m our 20% on the
first grad gotcha okay my concern is how
much of a bill we going to be left
with I know it's really needed the do
would they buy the rway the do would
actually buy the rway I I'm not sure of
how RightWay acquis acquisition um you
know goes down legally or or that sort
of thing maybe Mr Thurman chime in on
RightWay acquisition I'm not an expert
on that I'm sorry we got a lot on the
back burer I think all these
construction jobs
con I w't be here in a few months and
neither well I so maybe bring it back no
I don't agree with bringing it back I
mean the reason Wards and some of the
shap is in now because everything got
put off to the new board got here and
now the new board that's here is having
to pick up where the old board left off
and I don't think it's fair for a new
board to have to come in if this is
something that needs to be done now need
to be done now doesn't need to be kicked
down the road and then later if it needs
to be voted down now it needs to be
voted down and I agree with you 100% on
that um and this is not a heel that I'm
ready to down uh because it is something
that would be beneficial to the
community and helpful uh for uh traffic
congestion but again the only thing I'm
saying is my concern is the lack of
transparency of the total cost of the
project so I'm going call the question
is there a motion to approve or
hearing none this is doesn't good
forward thank you sir thank
you 9.2 legislative goals and
submissions of such goals to the North
Carolina Association of County
Commissioners for
consideration yes sir chairman George
the North Carolina Association of County
Commissioners contacted us requesting we
submit our 2024 2025 legislative goal
proposals as part as the criteria for
goals there are two pieces of criteria
first changes to statutes or requests
for funding is one Avenue to go the
other Avenue to go is must have an
impact on all 100 counties we have
compiled five priority goals to submit
to the North Carolina Association of
County Commissioners they are as follows
seek legislation funding and other
efforts to expand digital infrastructure
Broadband capability to the unserved and
under served areas and residents in the
state the second goal is seek additional
excuse me Mr maner can we wait just a
second till these people get out of here
it's a little
distracting sorry thank
you I'll start with first goal
again seek legislation funding and other
efforts to expand digital infrastructure
Broadband capability to the unserved and
underserved areas and residents of the
state the second goal is seek additional
Revenue sources including a Statewide
wide Bond referendum and expanded
Lottery proceeds and changes to the
needs-based public school Capital fund
to equitably address Statewide Public
School and Community College Capital
challenges the third item is support
legislation to allow counties to include
specific language on the ballot
referendum designating how the proposed
quar Cent local sales tax levy will be
spent the fourth goal is increased State
funding and support legislation for
Behavioral Health Services and
Facilities including dedicated resources
for Community param medicine projects
inpatient crisis beds substance use
disorders specialty courts individuals
mental health issues in county jails and
single stream funding for area
authorities and the last goal that is
being proposed is oppos efforts to
divert to the state fees or taxes
currently all to the counties or to erod
existing County revenue streams with
unfunded
mandates um M Mr chairman I'd like to
make a comment um under item two uh the
paragraph appears to address uh
Statewide Revenue sources including Bond
referendums and Lottery proceeds that
would benefit um the education system
community based colleges and
somewhat and under the subsections under
that the second one reducing or
eliminating local match requirement for
tier one and tier 2 counties
um I think it would be
important for us to address issues
pertaining to tier one and how tier one
and tier 2 counties are determined
because whether you're a tier one or a
tier 2 County uh is is uh very much a
deciding factor as to what assistance
our um citizens are able to get and our
local governments are able to acquire I
think that tier one tier 2 uh
designation uh should be a a standalone
issue as it has been since I've been on
the board for 2016 for the lobbyist at
the North Carolina ass County
Commissioners to continue pushing for a
more Equitable and fair assessment of
what constitutes a tier one and tier 2
County for the purposes of of uh funding
uh grant funding and things of that
nature we can certainly break that out
as a separate goal I agree I think they
that committee started back this was
approved to start back reviewing that
and I think it's very important that we
join our our fellow counties in
emphasizing that as a
concern does the board have any
additional feedback on these
priorities I think otherwise they look
good sounds good to
me well we can plan on submitting these
priorities and have the item reducing or
eliminating local mat requirements tier
one broken out as a separate go thank
you
sir and there the deadline is what
Friday yes
sir is there a motion to approve with
the requested
change motion to approve is there a
second second I want fa raise your right
hand thank
you approval of resolution providing the
final approval of terms and documents
for the
DHS DHHS facility financing Miss
blue good evening chair and Board of
Commissioners uh I'm Meg blue pen County
finance director for those of you who
don't know um this is a follow-up item
from the public hearing and the initial
approval that we had at the last meeting
uh this is just the final approval of
the form of the documents and that are
to be signed as part of this transaction
um once approved approved by all the
various agencies as
necessary for the Department of Health
and Human Services
facility is there any
questions I'm assuming that's why Mr
Jess has joined us again tonight yes he
wants to make sure we get it done so
I'll make a motion to
approve he's fidgeting is there a
second in favor raise your right
hand thank you he also had to get a lot
of John Hancock's before this meeting
for the law enforcement center so we're
moving right along with all the things
and approval of a budget and contract
amendment to purchase order increase for
Bob for the construction of the DHS HS
facility project yes so um initially we
approved this is a this was done as a
design build project um initially bobit
was awarded the design build contract
only the design portion has been
contracted thus far um at this point
we'll increase it to include the um GMP
and increase the purchase order and make
the necessary budget transfers which is
what the attached documentation
does is there any questions for Miss
blue I have a question M blue sure
um page two there the U site development
construction
notes so this is the new health
department building yes for the county
of tender and the citizens um it's
health and DSs and DSs for so it's and
that I'm good with that and it's much
needed I just got a question if it it
may be
me permits and application fees
$234,000 and then permit review comments
$250,000 that's $480
some, that the citizens are going to pay
to the citizens um I can't speak
specifically to which permits they are
but I think a lot of them are paid to
correct me if I'm wrong DEQ and those
kinds of permits as well as the town of
bergo okay we
wouldn't it wouldn't be them paying
Pender County for that purpose so that
none of that will go to the county
because that'd be like pay in yourself
right no no okay so you you're helping
me I mean that's sorry I see that I'm
like permit yeah and I don't want to
speak out of turn but I do believe that
sorry um Andy spe with bobit is in the
back and he's giving between burall and
the state it's going to be
$480,000 in permits in fee okay just wanted to get it out there all
right
sure and it'll be the same when we build
a law enforcement center because it's
also in the town of burgo yes
okay any other questions or comments if
not is there a motion to approve motion
to approve is there a second second
those in favor Raise Your Right
handos discussion there's no items on
the discussion 11.1 thank you Miss BL
thank you
m reappoints to noer Memorial Hospital
thank you Mr
Jess sir trip back thank you for taking
care of us
all right for item
11.1 Denise hton and Myra McDuffy are
both currently serving on the noon pener
Memorial Hospital board uh the
chairwoman of that board reached out to
me asking that we bring the uh
appointments to the board before October
um
October's uh when their next meeting
would be a reset for them uh Miss Denise
hton is currently serving as District
1's representative she's applied for
reappointment and is recommended by the
chair of the hospital board to uh be
reappointed she has a long-standing
history in the health field she's
experienced working in the regional
health education consult for NC
Department of Health and Human Services
the health promotions director for new
County's Health Department and the
executive director of the American
Cancer
Society uh Miss Myra McDuffy is also
currently serving as the District 5
member uh she's applied fore appointment
and is also recommended by their chair
uh she is the respiratory therapist at
downstate Medical Center she's been the
assistant director of the business sorry
excuse me um previously she was the
respiratory therapist at downstate
Medical Center the assistant director of
respiratory at Vanderbilt Skilled
Nursing Facility and she's now the owner
of our local business
mimos um Chicken and Rib she served on
numerous boards as well such as the
burga tourism Development Authority and
the burga Chamber of Commerce um for
both of these applicants their terms
would uh begin January 1st 2025 and
expire December 31st
2028 I uh currently serve on this board
um and uh miss hton and miss McDuffy
both have been a asset uh and and in
fact our Pender Count's
designes uh and I would recommend them
uh for
reappointment uh
unequivocally um and I have a question
for our
manager
did the chair of this board indicate to
you that they had um Novant designes
that they wish to run by uh this board
for reappointment as well I did receive
an email regarding these two two
applicants just these two yes okay now
these of the Pender designes did was
there any discussion about the novon
designes members of the board I did not
have any okay I I'll follow up with that
but I I would recommend these two ladies
be reappointed
wholeheartedly a second a favor raise
your right
hand thank you board
members there is nothing for the water
districts but I know moris moris Creek
had water and sewer supposed to have
something there yes sir I will
appreciate if uh we can open the mors
creek water and SE District we are now
open as mors Creek Water and SE District
so my name is Anthony colon I'm the
executive director of uh Pender County
Utilities as you all know we're working
on a um cdbg which is a Community
Development block grant uh for the
installation of water lines in the 421
corridors around the Columbia Union
district um so my deputy director Mr
James bror and myself will be holding a
public meeting at the Pender Le School
auditorium to assist the citizens of
Columbia Union around the Highway 421
Corridor uh to fill out an income survey
form which is a requirement uh for the
Community Development blood Grant uh
this is the application that is due on
September the 30th so we're moving
forward quite fast uh part of the
requirement was the public hearings
which we already uh perform now we're
doing
uh the um income survey and uh on our
next board meeting I will have some
forms for the chairman of the board to
sign uh and we'll have all this put
together on a package we'll send it out
and uh we'll at that moment we'll wait
to see uh what the state will uh allow
us to to receive the cap is $3 million
and we're looking forward to get that
money um so this meeting uh will be held
uh this upcoming Monday
we will be at the Pender Lee is that the
26th that is Monday the 26th yes ma'am
August Monday the 26th uh Mr James bror
and myself we're going to be at the
Pender Pender Le School uh Auditorium
from 12:00 pm till 7 pm. and that's for
all the citizens in that area uh Miss
Highfield you can go ahead and tell
everybody I will get with me uh Samantha
Jones as well uh I will also have I have
a list of everybody's telephone numbers
so we will be be sending uh telephone
calls uh on Wednesday Friday and once
again on Monday morning we're trying to
get as many uh as possible uh right now
I got about a list of uh 68 people that
is willing and is ready for it uh but
then I would like to if there's anyone
else uh they want to come in and also uh
fill out we will also will receive any
new uh applications as well um so that's
all I have for now on that and I look
forward to see everyone oh there so this
is part of the process yes ma'am this is
a necessary part of the process this is
a requirement yes this is a requirement
for funding that we get these this
survey information so these folks we all
need to come in and and give survey
information how long will it take and
how long could they expect to be there
when they show up at any time between
12:00 noon and 700 p.m. next Monday we probably can get uh between 15 20
minutes uh filling out this form uh it's a one single form and pretty much
it's asking for name address contact
information and income and income that's
it is that the extent of the financial
information that they will be required
yes ma'am okay yes ma all right and so
also I understand that you have a rooc
call system set up yes ma'am tell us
about that so so in the last couple uh
public hearings we've been collecting uh
signatures with email address and
telephone numbers and we're adding that
to our NEX and Funko uh system uh and I
will have uh my utilities analyst to set
up that to go out into effect Wednesday
Friday and then once again on Monday
morning and and these Robo calls will be
made specifically to the
citizens in our my neighborhood correct
uh that is impacted by this 421 Water
Project your name your your name and
number is included as well I hope so
yes that was all Mr chairman thank you
sir he was really detailed that day at
the community meeting with them letting
them know that
yeah we are out of that district there
is no
other Mortal
Health social Serv
items from the county attorney uh
chairman
first personal matter I'd like to thank
uh Kelly sers uh
the North Carolina Department of
Transportation Incident Management uh
who parked behind me and made it safer
for me as well as all the people getting
off 40 and uh to to go to Rocky Point uh
when uh
I will no longer try to replace my own
tires I'll go to somebody with an
earring because my tire completely came
off and um so anyway there was uh that
was a little exciting uh this afternoon
that I didn't e but anyway Mr glad you
work first I'm the Lord take care of
Fools and he I don't think you're a fool
but I'm very glad he took care of you it
was again because I was right at I was
not going fast otherwise it would have
been bad cuz I mean the tire completely
came off people they did they're good at
their job IM no no it was it was good
and um also uh Miss brain came and
picked me up so I could I get here uh
but we would um uh for close session if
the board is uh would consider going
into item three attorney client and uh
item four Economic
Development all
right Mr chairman
if you will entertain a motion to go we
got to do the rest of the around around
the block
conversations County
Manager County Manager assistant County
Manager uh yes sir Mr chairman and
fellow Commissioners um I do have a
couple of new employees that started
today for our new uh for our Pender
County team I'd like to introduce you to
I'd like to begin with Mr Wyatt
Richardson if I could ask him to come to
the podium please sir uh just to tell
you a little bit about him he is our new
director of facilities and Fleet
Services he has a bachelor's degree in
Parks and Recreation management and
Associates in Automotive Systems
Technology he has 18 years of experience
in local government related to
facilities and ground maintenance Fleet
Management and Parks and Recreation as
well um he comes to us most recently
from the town of uh Leland and he was
there for about six years and um also
he's worked with the city of Durham and
Sarasota County Florida so we're really
happy to have him on board with us and
uh expect great things from you sir no pressure appreciate that just kidding
we are glad to have you and I'm glad to
be here uh I wanted to thank you all for
uh letting me join the team um excited
to add value to the organization and
ready to get work on uh both our Fleet
department and uh some of our County
facilities as we have some aged and some
new ones coming online as well so
excited to be a part of that so thank
you welcome now I'd like to ask Mr Dario
Ramirez if he'll come forward he is our
new uh County manager's office project
manager uh so we have plenty for him to
help us with with the capital projects
that are underway he has 20 years of
military service where he has served in
multiple project management capacities
he has a bachelor's from American
Military University and he's currently
completing his project management
professional certification and he's also
fluent in Spanish so we're uh really
grateful to have you on board with us as
well sir yeah absolutely I appreciate
the opportunity I appreciate the uh
serve the citizens of pener County first
and foremost uh moved here in 2019 on
Military orders and I definitely plan to
stay here for a long time great thank
you very much thank you glad to have you
appreciate it
man' and that's all Mr chairman thank
you
sir new commission Vice chair Newton I
have
nothing Mr I just like to thank all the
County employees and Tommy and
everything they did for us during that
storm recently and yall did an
outstanding job I appreciate
you Mr commissioner
grov uh yeah a couple of small things um
out of the uh R meeting um they're going
to do extensive work on
117 from Porter's Lane to um Walker
Street and that's pretty exciting to get
that project started and um a couple of
little things here from a citizen they
feel like the
$40 um
dumping um sticker is way too high and I
also feel like 40 is kind of high I'd
like to see that took down to 20 if they
need an extra sticker uh if we could
look at that anyway and um I had several
opportunities to stop by the EOC I want
to thank Tommy for his hard work that he
did during the storm it it was stressful
for a lot of people and um and to add to
that it Zing um emergency vehicles I
feel like if we're in a state of
emergency we should
limit River
activity because these boats are causing
more harm than the regular
storm they're tearing up the
banks and of course y'all know I live on
the river and I had a chance to look at
some of it today as the water was low
enough to look and um I I feel like Mr
manager you
kind of open that door and see if we
could do something to recreational
vehicles during state of emergency
during a
flood
um and that's about all I have yes
sir Mr Burton uh yeah real quick just a
couple of things um I just want to
reiterate and thank the citizens that
have contacted and called me that live
in the low l areas especially around
Scotts Hill around my neighborhood um my
wife and I have been there for 25 years
my wife since 1979 so we're very aware
of of those areas and my heart goes out
to uh to those citizens and hopefully as
we work forward uh the developers will
come under new storm water regulations
that will hopefully help mitigate some
of that moving forward uh and I'm glad
the new plan is is coming out with a lot
of public input um um secondly uh I had
a chance to uh be welcomed to the
tourism board last week for their
meeting my first time there and uh great team great group of folks had some
good discussions uh we're happy to get
the additional 3% what occupancy tax and
that's coming and uh look forward to uh
to helping on behalf of the board and
the citizens to uh to forward that and
uh thank you mayor that's it thank you
sir so I just have a few things uh I do
want to thank um emergency management
office and and the staff all the staff
that was there not just Emergency
Management there was the times I went in
there was everybody from Fire EMS
Sheriff Department Fire Marshal's Office
Department of Social Services Wes was in
there on Sunday afternoon hanging out
when he didn't need have to be his shift
had even started yet so it takes a lot
of different people and a lot of
different skills to toand that Center
and I appreciate every one of you um you
all made a difference in
somebody's part during this this event
luckily for us you know it was it wasn't
as bad as they predicted thank God and
um let's hope that we're done for the
year so we close that out um out on the
table also out where the public signment
comment signups are there is a uh paper
with a QR code for the transportation
plan where they're seeking input for
your want your input
on how to route the trans transportation
system in Pender County um a lot of
these projects are scored by public
input and we don't always score very
well because our our residents don't don't like to get on there and and
voice their opinions or concerns but
those do make a difference for the whole
County of Pender for the wmpo we have
two only had two projects approved last
year and the new H County had the
remaining 19 or 20 so it's important for
us to to you know have have a say um in
our own transportation
system also out there are the little
Flyers that um Adam Mr Mor discussed the
with it's also got a QR code to the
comprehensive um plan meetings I hope
there's big turnout for that it's a it's
a constant thing I hear every day about
how outdated our our comprehensive land
use plan and our ordinances are um and
this is a chance for the community the
citizens that that that feel that pain
to have have some say so I encourage
everybody that has opportunity to attend
one of those meetings to attend I am
concerned about like I said earlier
about the early meetings I want
everybody to have the same opportunity
so maybe we can work something out with
the consultant that we can move those to
a time that's more convenient to people
um and there may no you know we've done
this several times we make these
opportunities available and nobody shows
up but at least we've made the opportun
available um I'm going to harp on
something that I've harped on several
time and that's and and it was pretty
obvious in parts of Eastern Pender
County um this time where the where a
lot of the flooding was at is our
um there's our will to let the developer
come in and clearcut everything even the
dog finnels out off the field and not
leave a tree um there's places on 17
that had never flooded and now that
they've um clear cut right there by
Blakes Farm on 17 there's High still
high water sign there there's no water
there but it's never flooded before but
we let them come in they take all the
trees off and then maybe four or five
years later they'll come in and put
their storm water system in so where
does that water go in the meantime it
goes in the road it goes in the people's
yards um I rode down through Scott Hill
I rode through those neighborhoods I
seen what was coming off of of where
that development behind popular Grove is
clearcut everything there those 300 year
oak trees that used to be there that
soaked up a th000 gallons an hour are no
longer there all that water is one of
these people's garages ride down through
Washington
Acres um where that 60 Acres plus was
clearcut for to plant 30 apartment
buildings where does all that water
going that storm water system has not up
and functional um but they're allowed to
continue you know building and then put
that in later so I I really like for us
to see us go back and revisit our tree
Ordinance do away with the with the
addition to the ordinance where we
allowed them to clear before permits
were
obtained and maybe that will at least
slow it down for a little while and i'
I've encouraged that a couple of times
now I'll encourage it again and once I
not chair again I'll make that motion to
have that done um we got it done for the
campers and and we're our accessory
buildings and we're looking to get it
done for campers at least we can do is
get it done for the
absolutely um other than that I have no
nothing else I have a getting that done
have a motion to go into close session I
have a motion to go into close session
for item number three attorney client
privilege and item four uh economic
development is there a second second all those a favor raise your
right
hand we are now in close session we'll
be back at 7:00 before being what
for
e e
so this is welcome y'all to
the public hearing and special use
permits and zoning map amendments and
resolutions part of the meeting I'll go
ahead and read the public comment um
narrative while we're waiting for Mr
McCoy when if you signed up to speak
speakers will be acknowledged by the
county manager in the order in which
names appear on the sheet or maybe
County attorney who's got the sheet now
sorry County attorney speaker shall
address the board from the podium and
begin comments by stating name and
address speakers shall be courteous and
respectful in their remarks and shall
refrain from personal attacks
the use of profanity and discussion of
personnel or other matters deemed
confidential by
law and he's still not
here well we'll go ahead and start how
is that okay is that all right with
y'all Mr McCoy will come in you'll just
excuse Mr McCoy when he comes in and let
him sit down that' be appreciated
21.1 resoning 24 or 202 2466 rest
request to
modify how are you
sir good evening Mr chairman members of
the
board excuse
me tonight I'm presenting sorry can you
hear me okay I can I everybody okay
great case reone
20246 kg Plaza LLC the applicant owner
is requesting to modify an existing
conditional zoning District to allow for
the residents of the sanctuary at Forest
sound to store recreational vehicles uh
within a private facility in the
development the private private storage
facility will be approximately 4.51
Acres with 106 storage units the
existing conditional District was
approved in 2015 and allowed for the
development of 106 single family homes uh we have a vicinity map here the
uh red highlighted and hatched area is
the subject property it's right off of
US Highway 17 uh right next to the
intersection of 17 and4 sound Road um
very close proximity to the Hamstead
andx we can see from the aerial map uh
the outlined subject property uh it's a
heavily vegetated
area um mostly trees there along the
roads and uh right behind it to the West
is uh the sanctuary at Forest Sound
Community it is zoned RM cd1 it's a
residential mixed conditional zoning
District uh it's surrounded by
residential performance and general
business this is the applicant's
original site plan consisting of 154
storage units um after feedback from the
public input meeting in the community
they have uh decided to reduce the
number of stor units to 106 uh to be
consistent with the number of homes here
is what it looks like now um a lot more
open space toward the back less units
and an overall reduction of about 31% in
total
footprint uh here we have traffic counts
provided by the wmpo and
ncdot uh we see that US Highway 17 is
over capacity which we all probably knew
uh but this is a reserved use for the
residents of sanctuary Forest sound
therefore the uh in there's not an
anticipated increase in traffic as
they're already going to be traveling
that
road there are no residential uses being
proposed for this uh conditional zoning
district and Commercial uses would be n
code
53113 and then miss the miscellaneous
use storage of boats and watercraft
Outdoors on or on dry stack structures
uh we have our set setback table um
it'll be 30 foot setback act all around
with a maximum height of 40 ft for
structures we have our landscaping and
buffer table um there will be an A4
buffer along the road on for sound uh
and the rest will be buffered by
existing
vegetation the A4 buffer consists of a
30 foot wide strip with one canopy tree
two understory trees and a grass or
other vegetative ground
cover Excuse me yes ma'am for
yes ma'am when you say the subject
property um on one of your slides back
there and I have it in front of
me one
more is that where they're proposing the
storage yes ma'am it'll the storage
facility will be approximately where
this line is but I have a in this slide
is that the 120
AC how large is that this is I believe
it's say I believe this is 60 Acres 60
and A2 um behind it to West here kind of
Southwest that's the rest of sanctuary
Force sound where the 106 homes
are
okay but this this is where they're
under the street canopy is where they're
proposing the storage unit yes ma'am
okay here is the proposed entrance and
proposed storage area where they'll be
located on the
parcel um the future land use map CL
classifies this as low density
residential
and staff is recommending approval for
this project um amending the conditional
zoning District would be consistent with
the intent of the initial development by
providing an amenity to existing
residential
development proposal is supported by one
policy and one recommended action the
future land use plan policy 5.1. F
conditional zoning and recommended
action 5.1. K1 discourage the
construction of storage facilities along
the road Frontage and um I can go into
further detail on those policies if the
board would
like um staff is recommending the
following conditions approval to
consider and approving the conditional
Zoning for the site um this is between
staff and the plan board or the rather
the planning board recommended some of
these appr or conditions of approval uh
first the project shall comply with all
requirements of the Pender County
unified development ordinance the
applicant shall meet all other state
local uh and federal regulations the
storage facility shall remain private
and only for the use of the residents of
the sanctuary at Forest sound
development for the developer shall be
fully responsible Financial or otherwise
for the repair of any damage or
maintenance issues on the forest sound
Road until the boat storage facility has
received a certificate of occupancy once
the certificate of occupancy has been
issued maintenance cost for Forest sound
Road shall revert to the original
maintenance
agreement five the site of the storage
facility will be of a perious surface
there will be no dry stack structures
and the apron and entrance of the
storage facility will be pervious
concrete at a minimum of 161 ft
length I that will last from again uh
the apron and entrance of the storage
facility will be a perious concrete in a
minimum of 161 foot
length the planning board unanimously
approved uh a recommended approval for
this uh when it went before
them and is there any questions yes
ma'am can I direct you back to where the
conditions um one of the conditions says
that it remains private was there any
distinction made between Property Owners
or residents how was that
characterized I believe it's homeowners
I'm not sure if I understand the
question okay so all I'm saying is
someone could own houses rent houses and
then you got more than what was
anticipated that you got the homeowner I
mean you got got the property owner ma'
and then you've got the how private are
we making
this I believe it's all residents I'm
not sure if that distinction was made
okay thanks yes
ma'am yes ma'am um commissioner Newton
the uh store condition three says the
storage facility shall remain private
and only for the use of residents of the
sanctuary at Forest sound
um are there any questions from other
members of the
board or anything I could explain
further so do you know why they're not
opting to go with the the lead Drive can
you speak to why the lead Drive yes sir
it's my understanding that there's
Wetlands near lead drive and developing
that uh is not recommended
and that there is uh an agreement for
the applicant to be able to use Force
sound Road um I believe that applicants
can speak more to this but I believe the
agreement uh is from decades ago where
they have access to that
road how many access they have access to
the neighborhood that's one access how
many access did it
specify how many accesses they could
have to that road um what is the purpose
of the access is it just for just for
the storage yes sir
so
when the access
point the uh the driveway the apron area
was was ample research done and that
because you storage unit is going to be
boats stuff like that it's going to be
big boats yes sir there there's plenty
of room to navigate your way in that
entrance that's yes sir the applicant
can speak a little bit more to this but
I believe at the planning board they um
went over how they tested it and that
there was they found that there was
enough room okay yes sir
is there any other questions for staff
before we
get Mr Rose you good I'm good yes sir
thank you I believe uh the applicant has
a presentation
prepared good evening Mr chairman and
members of the board my name is Matt
Nicholls I'm an attorney in Wilmington
and I represent the applicant owner in
this request uh we appreciate the
opportunity to uh make a brief
presentation and have a series of slides
which I hope will help explain the
request and answer uh questions that the
board may have uh with me here this
evening are Brad Schuler who is a land
planner with Paramount engineering as
well as Jeremy Blair he is a civil
engineer with Paramount engineering and
then my client Representatives uh Robert
Jackson and Dean Dean hard AR are also
here um I'll start out by saying what
this is the project is not just to
clarify uh this is not open to the
public it is not a commercial uh boat or
recreational vehicle storage there'll be
no renting or selling of slips or
spaces um there's no change in the
residential
density um there's no dry stack storage
of boats or other RV type Vehicles
there's no many storage units there's
really no structures involved except my
understanding is there's proposed a gate
to gate the the uh entryway uh and but
other than that this is not a a like a a
many storage facility in any way um I
know that the board is uh very familiar
with the area and uh but this will
provide some context we circled the
Pender County Annex Building there in
blue
and I won't go through the the details
of the 2015 approval but in
2015 um the board of County
Commissioners unanimously approved the
106 unit single family subdivision the
entire property um commissioner Newton
to your question the entire property was
the 120 acres and then the part the part
that we're talking about is rough
roughly half that about 60.5 Acres um
where the Wetland or
yes ma'am correct yes
ma'am and you can see there that the
proposed RV boat storage area shown
dotted and blue there and there are from
what I understand some significant
wetlands in the around the area and
that's what's limiting the access or
would you would want the access on
Forest sound road but I I'm certainly
can defer to the engineers on on
specific questions about the
wetlands um so here is the area of the
proposed modification to the existing
conditional
zoning and just to provide again just
some context here um there's the Pender
County Annex Building uh it's as
everyone knows it's quite commercial
there on on Highway
17 the there's the entrance to Forest
sound Road and then you can see the star
represents the approximate location of
the proposed RV and Boat Storage and
then you can see the approximate
location of the proposed entrance
so it's fairly close to 17 and um while
it is putting um you would say there's
sort of boat travel trailering traffic
on that area um it's not really taking
that through the the significant or the vast the the majority of the
neighborhood streets that are to the
east of there um you can see the
approved residential lots at the top of
the screen and then just in the um the
bottom of the screen you can see the
commercial and Civic uses so it it
really is um sort of within that sort of
buffer area between the commercial and
then the residential and um it um it
will be sort of out of sight for the
most part so you won't be having like
storage on the say on 17 I know there's
some things in your land use plan that
sort of discourage that type of use but
um for the most part um it will largely
be you won't really see it uh Mr
attorney Nicholls one of the questions
what I was trying to get to a while ago
was on the 60 Acres that includes the
wetlands it seems to be heavily wooded
how much of that 60 Acres is going to
need to be cut and what improvements
will be made for drainage once those
trees are cut on that 60 Acres around
the wetlands area that's my concern yes
ma'am so the area
that we're talking about is roughly 4
and A2 Acres of that 60 and A2
Acres I want to make sure I'm answering
the question accurately as to the
drainage and the impacts with that so if
I may defer to Jeremy Blair the engineer
on that question I don't mean to
interrupt your presentation if you need
to address it later on feel free if
that's okay with the board sure
absolutely thank you thank you um the
original site plan as mentioned had
significantly more
of spaces on there I think it was
156 if I'm not mistaken but as a result
of the community meeting that proposed
site plan was reduced to the 106 so it
matches exactly the number of permitted
residential lots and as I said before it will just be
one space for residential lot and it's
purely a amenity for the neighborhood it
this is not it can't be rented it can't
be sort of sub leased out to a friend or
something like that that that's that's a
proposed condition for the board's
consideration so here's a slide showing
the overall reduction in the footprint
from the original plan to the revised
plan uh and again that was just to
minimi try to minimize the impact and
downsize the The Proposal based on the
community meeting and and frankly really
didn't need that many
spaces for the most part probably not
everybody in the neighborhood's going to
have a boat or an
RV uh so the idea of all the spaces at
106 being used is probably not likely
although certainly wanted to have the
ability for each lock to have a place to
put their boat or their RV but for the
most part it's probably not likely that
it would be maxed out with 106 boats or
RVs the Gated access as I mentioned is
set off of for sound row by
161 feet and that was to allow the
vehicles to sort of come in and it would
prevent sort of stacking onto Forest
sound Road there's ample space
there
and uh see Mr Cherry mentioned the the
land use plan I won't get into this in
detail I know they the staff did a very
good job going through that in the staff
packet um again this is consistent with
the residential nature of the approved
subdivision and it's again an amenity
for the residential
subdivision um I'm glad to go through
any of the policies or goals in the land
use plan if the board would would like
me to do that but again staff did a a
very good job of that in the staff
report um I would point out that this is
really a very minimal traffic impact
this is from the TRC notes but it's hard
to it's hard to really uh analyze what
the impact would be but uh the AM and PM
peak hour trips would be very minimal
this is not typically something that you
probably the higher use would be on the
weekends so it's not probably going to
coincide with what you would think of as
a weekday PM or am peak hour
trip and then in the staff report it
mentions here that the the the Trips
Again are going to be really really
pretty minimal when you're when I know
this board's used to looking at these
traffic tables and things and there's
significant numbers on there but with
two and three peak hour trips is really
pretty
minimal why does it say many
Warehouse I I don't know I think that
was that was going to be my question how
many were of those spaces were under
roof none no sir none none the the the
boat and RV spaces there there'll be no
uh sort of roofing structures or
anything like that commissioner n if I
may answer that question the wmpo uses
uh essentially a large book that
categorizes uses and then uh determines
a specific number of trips based on that
use and there's a note I believe on the
previous slide Mr Nichols uh it says
basically there's no comparable use to
what is being proposed so they chose
what they thought was most closely
aligned it's one of those uh technical
terms of art that I don't ever right so
um also that impervious surface what
will that be I know you have to have
something fairly solid to be pulling
boats in and out so and RVs so what will
that impervious surface SP I think the I
think the majority of it is perious yeah
all yeah Jeremy if you don't mind this
is uh Jeremy Blair with Paramount
engineering I'm sorry I misunderstood
that when I was hearing the conditions
all uh J Jeremy Blair civil engineer
with Paramount engineering so the the 61 ft stem apron is going to be a
pervious concrete which you know allows
for the the water to all soak through
and infiltrate and then the remainder is
a will be a a you know a structural
stone with a a geogrid which the EQ
recognizes as as perious as well okay
very good so while you're up there can
you answer my question about the clear
cutting of the trees yeah
so Mr said it's you know 4 and A2 Acres
out of 60 um and with it all being
perious all of the drainage is um
proposed to to soak into the ground not
run off so it'll be I'm G hold you to it
very similar to the to the current state
uh is certainly the uh
intent thank
you I think just a few more slides if I
may Mr chairman and then we'll U again
glad to answer any questions the
proposed conditions I know the staff
went through those um I'll just
highlight a few um we have to comply
with all the requirements in the
ordinance we have to meet all the local
state and federal
regulations um I mentioned the part
about it has it's purely private and for
the sanctuary for sound development
only um this part I I wanted to mention
um my client will be fully responsible
financially uh for the repair or damage
to any of the if anything happens to
Forest sound Road during the
construction of it he'll um repair that
at his cost um there is a road
maintenance agreement that's in place so
my client's already responsible for 50%
of of the cost of Maintenance of the
road Jeremy talked about the per the
pervious surface uh no dry stack
structures and then this was the wording
of the seventh condition in the staff
report
and the the one item we would ask the
board to consider
is after the planning board hearing we
discussed the possibility that the ncdeq
might have some different requirements
for the length of that or what surface
it would be so what we'd ask the board
to consider would be um adding that it
would be subject to modification of the
requirements of the permitting agencies
and condition number two and that would
really be only if when it gets to the
permitting at the state level if the
state for some reason doesn't want to
have 161 ft of perious concrete but want
say a lesser amount and some other
material there just so we're not out of
compliance with state
requirements um so we appreciate your
consideration of that change we just
don't know till we get to that part at
the state
level um planning board unanimously
recommended approval the planning staff
um I think did a great job with the
report and we're glad to answer any
questions that um that the board may
have and we appreciate appreciate your
time so what made the Lee Island connect
in 2015 when it was initially approved
it it stated that if there was any
modifications to this conditional zoning
adding structures or any other that that
would be reevaluated was it adequately
evaluated why the the First Street
connection off a lead Drive which would
make more sense for safety wise why was
that adequately evaluated and if so
what's the findings uh I'm going to
defer back to Jeremy or the land Planner
on that if they or my client Robert
Jackson can we get to the SL yeah to the
global slide
the area keep going designing there we
go right here right here okay is there a
pointer okay got I'm Robert Jackson uh
640 Maritime way topso Beach the
applicant um at Sanctuary at Forest
sound and uh yes answer your question um
we've got actually that's not this real
slide there's Wetland let me get back to
this is Upland the the white area
anything in Gray I think that's a gray
hash mark is wetlands and so we've
already we at the limit for a general
permit for the US Army Corps of
Engineers with our project that was
entailed from the beginning we're at a
half acre of wetland impacts so the core
will not issue a wetland fill permit if
you've already exceeded or at or not
exceeded if you at the fill permit or if
you have an Upland access so if you have
a way to get to your property Upland
versus filling the Wetland they say well
nice trial you need to go to the Upland
side and uh Mr Hall Alec Hall who
developed the original Forest sound
negotiated with Mr Howard the seller at
that time for all this property or the
owner of all this property that there
could be Ingress and egress for the
remaining Parcels that Mr Hall did not
buy onto Forest sound road which
includes the subject property that we're
discussing here tonight so um and so
there is no way to get to this Upland
site without coming through uh Forest
sound Road legally or to be able to
permit it yeah so yes sir we did and a
couple people at the community mentioned
well hey if you could get access this
isn't a an improved road but there is a
RightWay here if you could get access to
this right away could you put boat
storage in here Behind these homes on I
think this is Lee Drive but uh behind
the homes on lead drive and there isn't
enough width one there's no legal
RightWay built but there's not enough
width or turnaround or I mean it would
maybe you could get 10 boats in there or
something I mean it'd be very limited
for 106 lot neighborhood as you can see
the width of of this Upland area so we
did we did Analyze That to answer your
question but it just wasn't feasible for
this size project and I will say when we
did uh Mr bieberstein who's probably
know past but he represented us when we
um did this uh project initially and at
that time we didn't know the amenity I
mean we didn't we were in the infant uh
planning stages of the project so we
didn't know if we were going to have a
pool a boat storage a playground or what
have you so he included and it's on page
305 of the Udo because it was a
conditional use zoning case so it
included the proposed uses is within RM
cd1 residential mix this is under
rezoning proposal gry bll Inc that's us um the proposed uses are
residential mixed conditional zoning
District R telecommunications Tower
single family dwelling uh conventional
detached homes in other typical
neighborhood amenities which again we
we're here to say that we think in
pendra County a boat storage is a
typical neighborhood amenity um you know
if you have the land the accessibility
to have one it keeps people off the
highways you're in proximity of your
boat you can it's probably more secure
that way and you can get your family in
and out more quickly when the few times
you get to use
it so and I did have just for reference
legally um Mr bieberstein the seller's
attorney which was um U Mr uh Nunley I
believe and the hoa's attorney at the
time who I I don't know that remember
his name
reviewed the deed legal access from our
property to Forest sound Road prior to
even submitting and designing the site
and the title insurance company and all
three attorneys agreed that we had
unlimited access from Mr Howard's
original parcel which is now our parcel
to Forest sound Road in addition to that
in our community meeting we did ENT Enga
voluntarily in the in the community
meeting engage into a road maintenance
agreement with for sound Road
50/50 from our entrance to the
neighborhood that we built here the
entrance here it's approximately I think
it's approximately a mile don't hold me
to that to 17 we share in 50% of that
maintenance in addition to that um as
part of our agreement our private HOA
agreement or whatnot um we agreed to
repave that and we did do that it was
$92,000 to repave that section from our
entrance to 17 and also um the the HOA
negotiated a gated entrance I'm going to
say 30 or 40 feet to the east of our
entrance for
security um and we had agreed to pay
that I think it was $441,000
approximately um today they still
haven't gated it but they did put up two
brick columns so I think we in my view
we um we're a neighborly developer for
lack of a better way of describing it
are there any other
questions so as you know in the forest
sound road is going to become a Right
only turn in the next five or six
years I still think it would be better
to go down Dan 's drive across safety
wise and up Le drive and is going to be
trying to get in and out of far sound
Road Far sound road is a nightmare now
yeah no and pulling a boat out there I
could only imagine what it's like the
majority of the people that live in that
far you know have their own public or
private boat ramp yes sir um now we did
build I don't know if this I guess this
is this is um Second Street that um that
comes between Second Street starts on
lead drive and comes all the way to four
sound that's not an exact depiction of
it but it's close enough um this is
better um Second Street comes into here
and goes and cuts to for sound this is
our entrance this is a public DOT road
we were mandated by the County to make
that part of the I think it was The
Collector Street program or what's not
to make this a public DOT road and of
course and do will maintain it when we
um dedicate it to them so any Resident
which I would prefer also should in my
view with a boat and trailer should take
a right out of the facility come down
Second Street and head over to the light
and there's plenty a turning radius in
our new driveway entrance to take a
right or left understand it would be
shorter for them to
distance-wise to go up to 17 but if were
my if it were my family I'd say no let's
just go the long way and go to the
traffic signal but again that is going
to be up to the that's going to be the
prerogative of the
driver but um this this road is
installed and meets dot guidelines we
have a basic letter on it and it is set
up for dedication
any questions for the
applic thank
you Mr th is there public yes sir um Mr
Nichols I do Mr Blair or Mr Jackson have
anything else they want to say no sir
but only if the board ask questions
thank you thank you sir uh Brook Connor
hello my name is Brock Connor I live at
105 Hilltop Lane in Hamstead and um I'm
a resident of the forest can you speak
up or speak into the microphone I'm
having problems here is that better is
that better yes okay um do you want me
to repeat my address or my name I don't
need it okay um I am a resident of the
forest Sound Community um I'm also part
of the um HOA board and uh I'm here
tonight just to speak on behalf of our
community and the concerns that we have
uh over
um kg Plaza using our road for a sound
road for the access to their
amenity um I think one of the the
biggest concerns that um we haven't been
able to understand is why the um
revaluation for Access off of lead Drive
Extension as you were mentioning um had
not been evaluated um I did talk to um
Mr Jackson when we had the public
meeting and asked him specifically if he
had looked into any other options and he
told me that he had not
and I asked him if he'd be willing to do
so and he said he would consider it so I
don't know what else what other
evaluation has transpired since I had
that conversation with him but my
understanding was that basically he said
it's wetlands and there's nothing we can
do
to you know look for access from another
Direction and Forest sound road is our
only option so this means that there's
going to be a Boatyard in our community
an entrance in our community for another
community which is highly
irregular I'm sure that some of you live
in a community maybe you know it's gated
maybe it's not and I don't know that you
would ever think that you could be
driving down a road in your own
community and see another community's
Boatyard and the one of the other
concerns excuse me that we have is that
you know it's unsightly a Boatyard is
unsightly a Boatyard has you know large
trucks and trailers coming in and out of
it that's going to be you know further
damage to the road further traffic up at
the um at the the entrance to Forest
sound um up at Highway 17 I mean it's
already very difficult getting in and
out of there during the busy times and
now we're going to have you know boats
and trailers going in and out I just
feel like there hasn't been an
adequate uh time spent to evaluate
another option or Mr Jackson possibly
should have planned his community in
another way if he knew knew he wasn't
going to have the ability to build an
amenity and have access to that amenity
inside his own Community you know when
he
originally you know was laying out the
neighborhood I don't understand why that
should now be a consequence of the
residents of fora sound um so there are
many many concerns that the neighborhood
has these are a few um one of the other
things is
that they say it's only for residents
and they say it's it's not going to be
rented but how can you control
that I'm sorry is that are you speaking
on behalf of the HOA
yes she gets five minutes get two extra
minutes sorry okay sorry I didn't is
that my warning okay I'm sorry I've
never spoken at one of these
before um I'm sorry where was
I um
I'm sorry I lost my train of
thought one of the other concerns oh I'm
sorry yes the um they say that it's only
for residents and that cannot be rented
which how are you going to control that
this is an entrance to to a Boatyard
inside of our community for another
neighborhood and there is no way that
you can control whether or not they're
going to rent that out to people who
aren't in that Community once that HOA
is handed over to the residents who's
going to enforce that and that's going
to open our community up to potentially
you know new people coming in safety
concerns for people who are you know
coming into our neighborhood who have
never been in there before I mean having
a boat storage yard already in and of
itself is going to attract a possible
theft and other things like that and
it's just not it's just not right that
this would be that that our local
government would allow somebody to put
this type of of amenity into our
neighborhood I know it's their land but
the entrance all the activity everything
going on in there is happening from our
neighborhood the last thing that I want
to mention is that if this is actually
approved um I would I would think that
there should be of Greater consideration
for the buffer I think it's a 30 foot
buffer is what it states um we have I
think a 20 foot buffer today for the
community that they built there's no
buffer you see everything house you see
what everybody's doing in their backyard
um it's just a thin lining of trees and
to have only 10et more of a buffer
you're going to be able to see
everything sitting in that
Boatyard so if it comes down to the fact
that this board is going to approve then
at least give consideration for a larger
buffer thank you thank you thank you
Jesse Conor
how you doing uh Jesse Connor 105
Hilltop Lane Hamstead North Carolina
28443 um I think my wife did a pretty
good job speaking there but um just
wanted to reiterate the biggest thing is
the Lee Drive Extension my wife chased
down the Builder several times um asking
him about whether he had looked into the
lead Drive extension and is he always
had the same answer of um I haven't
really actually looked into it never did
the research so if he did do this
research my question to you guys is did
he actually submit it to
you um because I've yet to see anything
on on this lead Drive extension so if
he's got the uh if he's done the
investigation now why doesn't he release
that information to you
guys um the other thing I want to talk
about is his friendly building that he's
been doing um he's flooded out our
community Community uh during Florence
our Causeway flowed over the road we
just had her or this tropical storm that
came through Debbie is that what it was
this tropical storm um that came through
it flooded our Causeway that had never
happened before except Florence and then
now our Causeway is flooding why is that
happening it's happening because of his
Sanctuary that he built uh and it's
dumping all the water down through there
what's going to happen when we go and
take out another five acres of property
which you know we all know trees drink
what how much uh how much water a pine
tree I think can drink 300 gallons of
water in a day or something like that
like so he's taken out another 5 Acres
of property um and dumping more water
down to us he can talk about you know um
impervious all he wants or
perious um lastly this is another thing
that I'm worried about with
him he doesn't probably want to use this
lead Drive Extension because he's got 60
acres of land there he only wants to
build five acres or he want only wants
to do a five acre lot what's he going to
do with the rest of that is he going to
get this project done and then turn
around and come back to you guys and do
try to do something on lead Drive
Extension where he can put in some more
housing or some sort of other amenities
or sell it off to somebody uh some
commercial real estate place or whatever
and then it gets built up
on then so you know it's just it's the
same old same old the same old um bait
and switch these guys do they start they
start one project and they know what
they're going to do further down the
road and then they get that one done and
it's just like what he's doing with our
uh the access we had an agreement with
him for one access he's got that access
now he wants more I just wish you guys
would look into this and please do the
right thing thank
you thank you those are all the sign
Mr can I ask a question of uh attorney
Nicholls yes sir Mr
Nicholls I you may not be the
appropriate one to ask this question but
there was a comment made
about wanting additional access on the
forest sound Road when in fact when the
sanctuary project was
initially um proposed and originated
there was only one access now there's
two is that appro is that correct I I
don't know that that that's correct I I guess I guess my question should
be this boat storage
facility in in approved
Ming uh this
proposal would add an additional
access onto for sound
Road it would it would add an additional
access onto Forest sound Road yes I I'm
not um I may defer to my client here but
I don't know that I've seen a document
that says my client can have one access
and one access only I've read the road
maintenance agreement I have copies if
the board would like it um I know when
my client mentioned spent a a
significant amount of money impr
improving or sort of redoing Forest
sound Road um after the
development my client does have the
right to use Forest sound Road and I
understand and I'm I'm I appreciate what
the the neighbors are saying when
they're saying it's their Road or their
neighborhood but it's my client does
have the right to use it and and he did
construct the
I would say which is a benefit to
everybody the connector between Forest
sound Road and what eventually get you
to factory road so I think that's a
benefit for everybody well well let me
ask this other question yes ma'am the sanctuary as proposed and
developed if these residents were
putting that boat in their backyard yes
ma'am they would have the right to
travel down
this road to get to their home in that
existing access yes ma'am that's exactly
right they could park their boat in
their driveway I don't know that there's
any limitation on that but um they have
the right to use that road to bring
their RV down there U so so
theoretically I
guess if these homeowners in the
sanctuary had a boat they could drag it
down Force sound Road and put it in
their yard or they could drive it a
lesser distance down forest sound Road
and put it in
the in for safekeeping into the yes
ma'am yes ma'am I I that is correct and
um I think it goes to the issue too
about the concern about it perhaps being
unsightly but again this the gate itself
I can go back to that is is a 161
ft off of I find that
and and that and that buffer is what I
was trying to get
to earlier when I said how much of how
much of it under this canopy are you
going to
cut I don't think there's any intent to
cut any of the natural buffer you can
see the scale of this is you can see
where the 30 foot buffer is shown and I
think the 30 foot buffer type A4 is a
requirement but beyond that there's no intent to cut anything that
is does not need cut and there's quite a
bit of vegetation out there so but the
plan is showing and I think is required
to have that 30ft buffer but you can see
the extension before you even get to the
um the gate is another is another 130
feet yes ma'am okay thank you
um I was going to also mention here this
slide is somewhat deceptive in my view
this the white area just indicates
Uplands not clearing
so it's all wooded so the area that's
hatched here where the trailers and
boats and whatnot and the drive will go
through is 3.1 Acres of the
4 five acres of Upland so I think one of
your earlier question is how much are we
clearing of the site and we're only
clearing what's necessary for the
parking and the Ingress and egress so
and you said about four and a half acres
the whole site and then three point how
much are you going to clear
approximately 3.1 of the 4 and a half
acres okay so of the 60 Acres 3.1 Acres
will be cleared and um I don't know I'm
not good at this slide but um let's go
to the the Uplands area on Le yes ma'am
that accesses Le
okay what's the uploads
acreage
on Le I would have to
um get that bear with me one second I'm
G try
to I'm
sorry got the wrong guy driving um I did
want to mention there isn't back back to
the Ingress and erress just a little bit
when Mr Howard negotiated let's not
let's go back to the Uplands on lead
like I asked
him keep going go back to
she wants to lead Drive
the hi my name's Brad shmer land planner
with Paramount engineering um I'm
referring to this slide here cuz you see
in the vicinity map that is the actual
Wetlands the previous plan was the plan
from 2015 I'm asking the question show
me and tell me how much
Uplands is on that six roughly 60 acre
parcel that fronts Lee Drive or road or
whatever it is this little section right
here here is approximately 3.4
Acres I I can't see it yeah I'm sorry
where are
you right here in the top left corner oh
gotcha so how much acreage is that
Uplands it's approximately 3.4
Acres which is approximately the size of
the you should clear on the other amount
that you're going to clear to have
access on Forest sound Road correct and
so again tell me why you don't put the
boat storage on Lee well one ma'am we
would need to buffer that first so we
have residents living on Lee Drive so
I'm I'm just def giving difference to
those folks that live on lead Drive
we've got a site that will be almost
invisible from anybody even when you're
driving down for sound Road and Lead
drive because the way it's situated in
the trees number one understood and so
lead said
earlier that that up site that fronts
leaves is not sufficient in size for
your purposes it is not I was going to
say the second reason is after we buffer
that site at least 30 feet then the
width of it as you can see here the
width where we have the majority of our
boat storage from the Red Dot I don't
maybe Brad can tell me that exact width
we don't have that much geography feet
for the Ingress and egress of a boat the
trailer the 161 ft of storage and so on
so the the mechanics of the parking lot
will not work there if that makes sense
if you had to put a buffer or even
without a buffer to put put a 30 foot
buffer it would make the size not
workable for the Uplands parcel only yes
ma'am is is that a true statement that
is especially for 106 boat storage Lots
got I'm not saying we can't put any
there in my comment at the community
meeting was just intuitively by looking
at the geography it won't fit there but
I'm not saying no boats will fit there
I'm just saying a facility for the
neighborhood won't fit there okay I'm
just trying to sus
out reasons why we're not in accordance
with the comments that we've heard can I
ask staff a question yes ma'am is there
any way we could use a fencing rather
than a 30 foot
buffer uh yes ma'am certainly this is a
conditional resoning so there's
flexibility for the board to uh Place
conditions that you know if the
applicant approves to uh or consents to
those conditions um then that is
certainly a a possible
step okay thank you is this Uplands
three and a half acres on Uplands that
um
front Lee is that
wooded primarily yes ma'am okay there
spots that are cleared but I mean wooded
for the most but the Uplands area for
the most part is it just
as wooded as is the other parcel of
Uplands that fronts Forest sound I would
say it's very similar yes ma'am okay all
right pretty much the whole site all 60
Acres is is wooded is there anything
whether you do it on either Uplands
parcel is there anything that you could
think of because I'm
concerned um that there is um because of
the excuse me the sanctuary development
that there's additional water uh
flooding being experienced by other
homeowners around the sanctuary is there
anything or any convers ation or any
plans to do any drainage or directing
runoff wherever you clear for the boat
basins um beyond having it 100%
impervious there's not a project I've
ever done that's 100% impervious so when
we clear and when we install the Geotech
Fabric and the the the rock matter and
the impervious concrete it will all be
perious
so there is my answer would be I don't
know if there's anything else we could
do beyond that that would be in my view
the gold standard when you cut trees
will you agree with me that there would
be additional runoff yes ma'am no
there's no question I think that um part
of the problem I'm not just again I'm
rehashing the the area of the storm
water you're bringing up their Causeway
does flood when when Mr Hall did that
development he didn't do it under the
current storm water or really any storm
water regulations and at that time to my
knowledge the development ordinance
didn't require private roads to be built
to dat standards so I do agree they have
an issue there but that wasn't caused by
the sanctuary their issue was started in
the 80s or 90s when that development
Started Mr Hall was here you testify to
that but this particular development of
the boat storage is 100% impervious when
the trees come out the perious matter
goes in so we're going to
have again in my view the state of North
Carolina deer would tell you that a 100%
pervious parking lot is very hard to
come by I don't know of one in there
probably is one but I don't know of one
in east side of 17 and just as a
reference to the use I counted well
there's one in Salter's Haven not even
two or 3 hundred yards away there are 12
residential which I sent to Mr Adams in
my initial conversations there're 12
residential single family neighborhoods
with private boat storage facilities
today as we speak east of 17 in
Hampstead we're this isn't a unique
situation at all in my view matter of
fact it's a preferable one if you're a
boat owner in Pender County but most of
those are all designed inside of the
neighborhood sir yes sir they are and I
think there's some misnomer on the
Neighborhood Mr Howard Mr Hall did not
buy this track of land from Mr Howard he
only bought a portion of it so in
exchange for that he said you can bring
your private road through but I'm going
to have access to the road for for my
future seller or he could have developed
it a separate neighborhood so on any
public or private road if the owners of
forest sound or Mr Hall wanted to
protect the site they would have
purchased it and then they would have
been able to remove the access to Forest
sound road but as it stands at the time
Mr could have developed 20 lots that
front for sound Road or 50 or I don't
know how long it is but one every 100
fet to use ra zoning as an example so
that he didn't want to limit the access
for land he didn't sell to the
neighborhood to the east of him you know
Forest sound so it we are not this is a
private piece of property it's not in
the forest sound it's called Sanctuary
at for sound but it's not in their
neighborhood it was never part of their
neighborhood it wasn't a plat of their
neighborhood it was a separate parcel
that Mr Hall did not buy because because
it's a 60 acre parcel that from what
I've
gathered is 50 acres wetlands and 10
acres of Uplands in two different places
yeah well the whole parcel we bought was
127 Acres so the balance of that was up
talking about the parcel in question
here yes ma' roughly 60 Acres yes ma'am
that's true that's primar Wetlands yes
ma'am that's true and what's going to
happen when you cut five acres or 3 and
A2 Acres of the
Uplands what's going to happen with the
remainder remainder of the wetlands is
that going to make it worse bring the
water table up no I wouldn't say so maam
we're well within the diner guidelines I
mean we're I think beyond that as far as
it relates to having a perious facility
so I think anywhere in Pender County
that you develop near Wetlands there's
trees that are taken out and they have
to deal with that in the diner code in
the storm water code and there's there's
you can have high density which our our
project's low density so you can have
high density with storm water ponds and
have you know more more Lots or you can
have low density and I think what we've
designed here I know it meets the state
code but I think in addition to that
being 100% impervious I don't know of a
different way we could do it more
environmentally sensitive that I know of
yes sir thank you thank you I have a
question for Mr Adams Mr Adams currently
under the current Zone and if if it was
to stay just like it is and no action to
be taken what would Mr Jackson be by
right legally able to build or put there
right now nothing what's currently Zone it's a
conditional zoning District so when that
zoning District was approved that was uh
not designated for any use so if he were
to say propose to build more homes he'd
have to come back before this board to
amend that approval so he's not allowed
to to build anything on that site
without getting approval from this
board any other questions I have any
other questions yeah is this your
District or is this this is commissioner
so we're at a point
for a
motion if I if I may just add one thing
I I know the applicant had added a uh if
there is a motion to approve in those
conditions of approval I know the
applicant had added a portion on to the
last condition of approval and I just
want to clarify that um wouldn't that be
redundant that that modification that he
wanted on the condition with regards the
Ingress and egress width and composition
that it be in accordance with State and
um other agency requirements is that
what you're talking about yes ma'am do you have
that that you can pull up his um
modified
condition his proposed modified
condition I didn't see it there it is
okay what page is
that that's in um the applicant's
presentation so it's not in any of the
reports Mr Burton what say ye
well I think that the
um the applicant has done his due
diligence to improve the area I think he
spent a lot of money and got
some agreements with the HOA on the
roads and I think being all of that area
is going to be
pervious I would I would move the
motion with all his dut to move the
motion to approve the zoning map
Amendment uh the language is on page
15 I think I'm reading it okay finding
that the approval is consistent with the
following policies in Pender 2.0
comprehensive plan use policy 5.1. F
recommended by action 5.1.
K1 proposed resoning is consistent with
the low density residential funer land
use plan in the Pender County
2.0 comprehensive fuse plan proposal is
reasonable and in the public interest
because it potential to be generally
consistent with use with current land
uses in the
vicinity does your motion to approve
include the conditional
modification as yeah you can include the
conditional modification that if DEQ or
the state requires any
further uh on that
entrance that they be required
to meet that comply with
yes I'll second I have a motion to
Second all those in favor raise your
right hand any
opposed motion passes
32 thank
you me get back to where I was supposed
to
be provision to existing special use
permit that permitted industrial park in
Grady
Township yes sir Mr chairman thank
you um the second case on the agenda
this evening is a revision to an
existing special use permit yes sir yes
sir thank you um and we had one sign up
I believe if
uh yes just be SW Sol SAR the testimony
give his even be the truth the whole
truth so help you God yes sir I do and
SP confirm
thank you Mr Thurman U members of the
board again just a revision to an
existing special use permit uh that was
initially issued in 2009 and
subsequently revised in
2014 that permitted an industrial park
uh that we all know as Pender Commerce
Park um so I'm going to just go through
a a little bit of brief background on
this property and Orient the board with
the site and then I'll turn it over uh
to miss Spinx if she has anything to add
although she's really more here just to
answer any questions
should the board have them so the map on
the site um you can see the Pender
Commerce Park is outlined or or shaded
in a light blue color the subject
property is in red and the subject
property is approximately 15 Acres on
the east side of US Highway 421 just
north of the Pender new han County
Line and some background on this
property uh or on the Commerce Park if
you will on February 16th of 2009 a
special use permit was issued for an
industrial park that covered
approximately 378 Acres that special use
permit was revised in 2014 to expand the
industrial
park and then on September 21st of 2021
the county sold the approximately 15
acres to Philips leasing Systems
LLC here's a map of the site uh just to
give you some reference this is a
recorded map
the subject property is primarily zoned
Industrial in the general industrial
category although the tail falls in the
rural agricultural zoning
District just a couple photos of the
site standing across 421 looking East
towards the site um you can see that
there appears to be a stub all 421
that's barricaded and this is actually
standing on that stub looking Northeast
to the subject property
uh this slide is really just intended to
confirm to the board that removing this
property from the special you from the
special use permit that governs the
Commerce Park doesn't affect the
existing special use permit or have any
effect on the Commerce Park so you can
see that industrial parks are permitted
in the general industrial zoning
District via a special use permit and
they must have the following five items
that are listed on the board there by
removing these 15 Acres we're not uh
impairing the ability of the industrial
park to continue to operate or be
governed by the special use
permit uh the future land use map
designates this property as industrial
uh which is consistent with the
development pattern in this
area and on the screen are the findings
of fact uh that are in the Udo that the
board must make when uh issuing approval
of a special use permit or special use
permit revision this is this is the end
of staff's presentation again miss Spinx
is here representing the applicant um
she does not have a presentation
prepared and and really is just here to
answer question should the board have
them what's staff's recommendation we
generally don't make recommendations on
special use permits I I would say that
this is consistent with the future land
use plan the property is zoned
industrial so it's reasonable to expect
that Industrial Development will occur
on this site um on the new County side
south of you know south of the subject
site it's also zoned for heavy heavy
Industrial Development and the owner
owns the adjacent property on the new
han County side as
well is there any additional
questions or is there any questions for
the
applicant there are no questions is
there a motion
last call is there a motion to
approve motion to approve I have a
motion to approve is there a second there's a motion on a second all
those in favor raise your right
hand thank
you sorry about that you're
good
21.3 provision to an existing special
use permit that it prohibited permitted
a community boating facility in Long
Point estate's neighborhood with TOS
Township and Mr chairman this sup that
we will need to squar uh and we have a
number of sign ups
uh anyone who uh has signed up think say
may wish to speak on this matter uh
would please stand
be um testimony give be the truth the
whole truth so help you
God thank you
all good evening Mr chairman and members
of the board tonight we're here to
discuss a revision to a previously
issued special use permit for the longo
estate's home Owners Association um
there was a previous approval um last
year under Su case
2023-24 um for a special use permit for
the expansion of an existing Community
boating facility in the longpoint
estate's community at the time the
request was to add an additional five
boat slips to the existing facility
along Hughes Road bringing the total
number of boat slips on site to 10 in
addition to the existing
um boat
ramp which
brought
each property owner in the neighborhood
to have their own boat slip right so
we're going to talk a little bit more
about the the the use of the boat ramp
in question as that is a focus of the
request this evening so the revision
tonight seeks to allow a limited number
of hammock watch and Greystone residents
which are two nearby neighborhoods to
utilize the longo estate's Community
boat range
and as you can see here the subject
property is highlighted in in a black
pattern um the total acreage is around
two acres this is off of Hughes Road
near the end of Washington Acres Road
and I've highlighted some of the the
neighborhoods nearby you can see
Washington acres is to the north of the
property in question you have hammock
watch to the southwest and then Longo
Estates consists of a lot of the a lot
of the nearby residences
the subject parcels and the surrounding
area zone RP residential
performance and here's an aial of the
site um this is a bit dated since this
photo was taken and per the approval
from the last special use permit they
did build five additional boat slips for
individual Property Owners at the
site and as you can see there's an
existing boat ramp to the north of those
slips those were the five that were
previously approved
bringing the total on site of 10 which
again gives every single owner in the
HOA Community um an individual boat slip
most of which have their own at their
own properties which are for the most
part on the water themselves but this
provides boat slips for those those
owners do that do not have direct water
access and so here's an an aerial image
with the site plan as you can see
there's a there's a finston area here a
green area here that's been ly used for
parking there's parking on the interior
you can see that existing concrete boat
ramp they have a a covered shelter on
site as well and then directly to the
north you can see the Washington Acres
boat
ramp there are some Wetlands on the
property um which is common for for a
coastal area like this and I also want
to point out that a community boating
facility as a use is allowed via special
use permit by by the Board of
Commissioners so briefly I want to talk
about about what a community boating
facility is um per the unified
development ordinance a private
nonprofit boating facility with
navigable water Frontage which includes
a dock Pier or launching ramp which is
intended to serve five or more
residential units it must be controlled
or owned or controlled by a homeowners
association or any type of Development
Association or Collective Owners Group
where more than one family has
privileges to use the facility
commercial activities of any kind in
including commercial letting of slips to
parties that are not residents of the
association or development shall be
prohibited so as I mentioned originally
this special use permit was issued for
the residents and property owners of
Long Point Estates since that time they
have entered into a memorandum of
understanding with hammock watch and
Greystone to essentially create a
collective Owners Group to share in the
use of that boat ramp as moving forward
without these neighborhoods involved
there would the boat ramp would be
underutilized because each owner has
their own slip so this would allow the
that to be used by the neighboring
communities select neighboring
communities and just to be clear this
will be accessible by limited number of
folks in these
neighborhoods but the the the facility
itself is not growing or changing so the
capacity will remain the
same so here's some trip counts from the
last special use permit just kind of is
you know illustrating
that the additional five boat slips at
the time equated to around an additional
12 trips per day um which was an
additional one trip per peak hour in the
AM or PM um they actually did not have a trip count generation with the dot
that equaled an approximation for the
use of a boat ramp so the marina was the
closest thing for
that so here's some some photos of the
site um from last fall so you can see
there's a very very large grass area
along Hughes Road in between that you
see a marsh area that's grown up with
vegetation on the opposite side of this
would be those boat
slips and then if we Shuffle down the
street a bit we can see the gate that
takes you into the boat ramp um boat
ramp
area and so when we talk about special
use permits one of the requirements for
a special use permit is that is
consistent with the future land use plan
designation for that property which in
this case is Coastal residential which
is intended to preserve the County's
Coastal
character and it encourages unencumbered
access to public trust Coastal
Waters and appropriate land uses include
single family residences community
recreation open space uses and
water-based recreational uses so this
existing
facility is is in direct support of the
coastal residential intention um to
allow water access for those communities
and those
residents and so as you can see before
you these are these are the eight
requirements that have to be met for the
special use permit to be
issued and then these are the standard
conditions for for a special use permit
but again there's no proposed changes to
the site it's just a matter of letting
limited number of neighboring
communities use the underutilized boat
ramp moving
forward so that they may have direct
water
access are there any
questions any questions for staff this
may be a stupid question but back up to
the the one the last slide you were
talking about the
conditions the obligations imposed by
this permit will be the
responsibility of the property owner in
this case who is the property owner the
applicant HOA
or because we've got other residential
groups involved who who was responsible
for damage to this property if allowed
access the longo Estates HOA is the
property owner and to my knowledge
there's no intent to change that status
the agreement they've entered into is
not an ownership agreement it's merely
an agreement to utilize to use that
property unencumbered usage yes ma' new
members and they do and the applicant
can speak to this or the applicants
representative they do have some kind of
restrictions for those users that he'll
go over in his presentation sure thank
you any additional questions for
staff thank you thank you
is applicant
here good evening again Mr chairman and
members of the board uh I appreciate the
opportunity to speak again this evening
um I'm Matt Nichols uh I'm an attorney
in Wilmington and I'm representing the
longpoint Estates
HOA uh this evening they are the
applicant and the the property owner and uh with me here this evening are is
um Ellen Wartman she's an attorney um
she's the regular HOA attorney and I
asked Ellen to be here and thankfully
she was available to answer any
questions that the board may have and
also to make sure I'm speaking correctly
as to the HOA Long Point Estate so um
the um and Terry Williams one of our
board members is here and there may be a couple other board
members but um we have a series of
slides Mr chairman and I think that will
help explain the request and um if you
have any questions along the way please
don't hesitate to uh to to stop uh stop
me um this is uh the general vicinity of
the longpoint Estates boat ramp
property and here's sort of a closeup of the boat ramp property I know the
board members will be familiar with this
because uh last year late last year year
the board allow my client uh to uh build
five additional wet slips on the
Waterway so the boat ramp that we're
talking about tonight is located there
uh as
shown and then just an overall sort of a
vantage point of everything um that's
approximation of the of the same
property and then um right the the
yellow star represents the slips that
were there previously and then the blue
star is where this board um allowed the
additional five slips approved and I
believe it was December of
2023 and then to provide some further
context there's um the longpoint Estates
boat
ramp and then there's the neighboring
Washington Acres boat ramp which is not
part of this request at all it's a it's
a completely different facility and as
you'll see as you go through the these
slides they're they're different users
and it's it's just they happen to be
next to each
other so here's another view sort of a
street view of the longo Estates uh HOA
facility and then again here and then to
the left of the screen you can again see
the Washington Acres boat ramp and if
I'm not mistaken I I I don't know that
there's any access between the two I'll
maybe let um some of the other folks
speak to that but they're they're
separate parking areas separate separate
areas Al
together here's just another view
looking down Hughes Road and you can see
um the Gated area shown there in the
distance that's the Long Point of States
but also outside of the Gated area
there's quite a bit of parking
available um for uh vehicles and
trailers here's just another view of
that so um long point of States we
provided this just to show you kind of
where in proximity the two other
neighborhoods that were asking the board
to consider this evening are uh you can
see Longo Estates
here that's sort of a generalization of
where Longo Estates is and I'll I'll
come back to that with a little handout
I have but um there's Longo Estates and
then you can see Highway
17 and Greystone is the first
neighborhood that we're asking for the
board to consider to allow using the the
longo Estates boat ramp as I mentioned
before when this board approved the um
we appreciate the board approving the
ability to build those five additional
wet slips my understanding is now
everybody within the Long Point estate's
HOA now has a a wet slip either at their
lot or at that Community slip so the
boat ramp really isn't
utilized uh if you will in the same way
that a community that simply has a boat
ramp it's certainly convenient to get
boats in and out of in an emergency and
or maintenance and that sort of thing
but my understanding is most people are
keeping their boats at their slip which makes
sense um the Greystone Community is
shown here with the green um the green
star and we've got the subdivision map
here this is map book 46 at page 40 of
the Pender County registry and I believe
there's um representatives of Greystone
here this evening um but Greystone
consists of 35 lots and conveniently
they're actually all sort of shown on
one map and and these are the lots here
and to provide sort of some context
here's the Pender County GIS of
Washington Acres shown in uh sort of the
pink color and you can see that um
Greystone is really not part of
Washington Acres my understanding um
it's in it and surrounded by it but the
Greystone neighborhood is not allowed to
use the the Washington Acres boat ramp
so they they don't have access to
that currently the my guess would be if
someone were U if this is not allowed
tonight then they would be using a
public boat ramp and that would involve
um you know getting on Highway 17 and
either traveling north or south so in
considering this we do think that there
is a benefit to um both the Greystone
and the hammock watch communities of um
having much more direct access to the
water with the boats and not getting out
and putting the boat travel trail
trailering traffic on uh
17 so back to the map we've got
Greystone shown in green and then
hammock watch which is a smaller
Community but it's immediately adjacent
to Long Point
Estates
and again here's just the general
vicinity map of showing that and then
we've got
a here's a
map uh showing the 14 Lots um in Hammock
watch there's not one map of all of
hammock watch but this map happens to
show the 14 Lots shown here a couple
things I would point out with hammock
watch my understanding that there's a
community boating facility for hammock
watch so I believe it's nine of those
folks are have slips also at their own
facility and the reason I'm pointing
that out is because this really is I
don't think it's going to see like real
intense use from hammock watch it would
be to allow them to get their boats in
and out of in close proximity to their
neighborhood
also um but of course um we're asking
for their ability to to also use
it as uh Mr Brantley mentioned we are
proposing a number of boat ramp rules um
The Long Point estate's HOA would be who
would if if granted by the board would
be the recipient of the special use
permit and we would be responsible for
making sure all the rules are followed
there's any enforcement issues uh that
would be to the special use permit
applicant so it would be incumbent on us
to make sure that the rules are
followed but we have a number of rules
here in addition to any rules that this
board might request to be added as
conditions of
course the traffic impacts we think
would be pretty minimal with this like I
said the there's not a lot of traffic
with the boat ramp associated with
longpoint Estates um and um the other
neighborhoods we don't Envision a a
significant amount of traffic impact
from
this um I won't go can can I ask a
question um you say you don't expect a
significant traffic impact but looking
at this um roughly uh. n10 AC lot that's
gated
how has there been any calculations or
um I guess what I'm trying to get to is
You' got 40 on any given day you've got
35 Lots in Greystone yeah yes and five
from hammock watch because nine have
their own boat slips that's my
understanding so we're looking at
40 40
units residents if they all one sunny
day came and use this boat slip is there
sufficient parking for their um vehicle
and their trailer either inside that
fenced area or along for the additional
parking outside the fence without having
to park along hu Road
no ma'am there is not sufficient parking
if everybody wants to use the facility
at the same time that's that's pretty
clear um it would be again it would be
uncomon on us to have rules and
regulations so
that I think in the I would say the rare
case when everybody is trying to use it
and working under the assumption that
everybody has a boat which I I don't
think is the Assumption which is
ludicrous I know but just bear with me
yes ma'am is there any other places for
overflow parking for this facility if
you open it up to 40 more
residents no no ma'am the parking is
what's shown so I we don't want to
misrepresent to the board in any way
that if if
everyone who has a pass if if approved
has a pass wants to use the facility at
the same time there's simply not enough
parking there um I I won't speak for
Greystone I understand there's a
representative here may want to speak
but from what I understand of Greystone
for example I've been told that there's
roughly 29 homes built out so there's
still still a few empty lots there and
roughly a third or so have boats or
kayaks so I think that's probably I'm
going to guess that's maybe fairly
representative of a of your typical
subdivision not everyone is going to
have a boat um but a significant number
will for sure um but um
what is the capacity boat and vehicle
and trailer in in this area both inside
the gate and outside the gate looking
back at my notes from the previous
hearing um my understanding is within
the
gate for vehicles is roughly 20 to 22
vehicles within the gate vehicle meaning
the the motor vehicle and the trailer no
ma'am that just just the vehicle outside
of the gate my understanding is you
could have roughly 12 trucks with
trailers I don't know how that
translates I'm going to maybe defer to
my client and how they use this on an
everyday use but to give you an idea and
I'll go back to the aerial
um you can see a vehicle parked there
now I don't know if that I looks like
it's showing a trailer on the I'd have
to go closer to the screen to see but
just to provide an idea of how much
space is there now this I believe is
showing a vehicle U white color vehicle
on the spot now yeah Mr Pickles is I know Washington acres has been
there for years
but it looks significantly smaller and
there's a lot more residents in
Washington Acres how do they navigate
that busy weekend yes sir Wonder uh
again I my understanding is a lot more
people can use Washington Acres boat
ramp oh yeah that's my understanding so
um but we would be required to keep the
parking on site and if it was an an
issue then you referen 10 vehicles in
the gate because there's 10 boats going
to be in the slips and they're just
going to drive their vehicle down there
not going to bring a trailer I know that
yes or walk from their house yes sir yes
sir yeah so but um to be clear there's
not 40 parking spaces there's not enough
room for everybody to be using it at one
time uh but I I think the idea or the
assumption is is that um on the vast
majority of the days it's not going to
be an issue with parking Fourth of July
weekend that's probably going to be an
issue that they'll have to accommodate
and make rules and maybe not everyone
can use it at the same time so um or
busy summer weekend so that would
certainly be something that we we would
have to work through but I think other
um facilities of a similar nature
probably have to work through the same
issues
also so
um me go back to so right so I again I
don't know how many um lots are eligible
to use the Washington
Acres uh boat ramp but based upon my
limited research I think it's
significantly more than what we're
proposing
here
um the other thing I wanted I did want
to point this out just so we're clear
I've got a handout and and I apologize
that this did not make it into the
PowerPoint but if I may
um what we've got here and seeking just
wanted to get clarification from my
client what I what I've handed out is a
is really a two-page
handout and it's got yellow dots on it
and red dots on it and the yellow dots
represent the Lots within Long Point
Estates that are sort of part of the HOA
meaning they those 23 lots are are
currently allowed to use the longo
Estates boat
ramp the red lot the red dotted
lots and and this is where I may defer
to the HOA attorney on this because I'm I'm trying to understand it the um
the red dots are sort of you could say
are in longpoint Estates or their deed
may say they're in longpoint Estates but
they're not part of the HOA and they're
not they don't have the right to use the
boat ramp the red dots the red dots yes
ma'am so when you break down the number
of users within Longo Estates that who
I'm representing represented by the
yellow dots those are the folks now that
can use the boat ramp and my
understanding is all the folks
represented by a yellow dot they have a wet boat
slip so
um what we're asking the board to
consider is to allow 40 additional sort
of passes if you will from the two
neighborhoods 40 maximum
and it would allow that um the folks of
Greystone and of long of hammock watch
could utilize the boat ramp subject to
the rules and any conditions that the
board puts on that use and it would be
um I think a a significant convenience
to those neighborhoods it would help
alleviate
um traffic on 17 with folks going to the
public boat ramp or to another boat ramp
and again it's um something that
um I think would be a beneficial to an
under what is now a an underutilized
facility I
think I'm getting near the end of my
slides talked about traffic I I won't
talk too much about the comprehensive
plan it's in the staff report but I'm
glad to do
so um I do sort of outline the special
use permit criteria here but I know the
board knows knows those criteria well uh
special use permits for Community
boating facilities are allowed in this
District
um the we would contend that this is
consistent with the the area generally
you really need to only look next door
to Washington acres and you can see
there's a fairly similar proposed use
happening there now and what uh what we
would be asking for would be similar
with what you would see in coastal
Pender County and res Nal post tender
County with boat ramps and there's
really not a lot of boat ramps available
public or
private um no new structures are
proposed um subject to any the the rules
that were proposing in any conditions we
would have to comply with all applicable
CA rules and
regulations and that's that's goes
without saying and then um we would we
would ask the board to consider limiting
or allowing ing additional 40 Lots
within those two
subdivisions
and just to uh conclude the presentation
I'll go I'm glad to go through any of
the particular permits but again I'm I'm
sorry any of the particular criteria but
uh we would contend that the special use
permit criteria are met and this is uh
in some ways a modification to the
existing special use permit for the
community voting facility um to allow
the uh expanded use and the ordin does
allow under the Community voting
facility for there to be sort of a an
organization of I guess HOAs to um the
way the definition is would allow you to
consider this of course it's up to the
board and um we would contend that there
is sufficient parking for what we're
proposing um in the vast majority of
instances but like other uses I I do
want to say that as I said before you
could not Park everybody there at the
same time um and then that would be
something that we certainly would have
to work around because we would be
required to do that and not to be in
violation of the special use permit um
so that would be something we would have
to address with either times of use or
other rules and regulations to limit use
on um busy
days and um talked about the previous
special use
permit and then again it's uh we would
respect contend that for the propo the
scope of the proposed expansion that
there would be sufficient area there to
accommodate that um but of course we
appreciate the board's consideration of
that and we're certainly glad to
uh listen to any comments questions
concerns or additional conditions the
board may want to
consider uh I think I've said everything
Mr chairman that I had intended to say I
appreciate the board's time um I'm glad
to answer any questions and I think
there's some folks uh here to speak in
favor of it from from Long Point is
there any questions for the
applicant not this time so I have one
for Mr
Justin so we've had a had a boat ramp
that's had trouble with their erosion
control um is that one of the conditions
of this that they have to maintain the
parking parking lot
to a standard where the the runoff
doesn't run into the creek kind of like
you know one down the street we had
problems with with their keeping their
parking lot up with this much traffic
it's going to cause wear and tear than
what more than what they're used to now
um can we put conditions on on
maintaining that where it
doesn't pollute the
waterways I think so sir if the
applicants willing to agreed to that yes
sir yes sir uh that we don't want there
to be any issues with that so certainly
glad to agree a condition in that
regard any other questions for staff as
applicate I have a question for staff
would it be appropriate to ask for a
condition that the property owner shall
ensure parking is controlled in such a
manner that would preclude any OB
construction to the roadway of fuse road
that goes by it yes ma'am I think that
would be appropriate and I think the
applicant would agree thank you and just
to be clear you know Hughes Road is a
state road yes so that's not the
applicant's property yes I understand
that but they are responsible for the
way that the vehicles are parked along
the roadway easement to ensure that
there's no um
intrusion or intrusion onto the roadway
itself that would cause an unsafe
condition because you know as well as I
do on Fourth of July weekend people are
parking Every Which Way yes ma'am
absolutely and that's that's my only
concern and I don't know how they would
wish to word the condition but just have
a condition such that the
homeowner um the property owner the
homeowner group would be responsible for
ensuring that there's no hazardous
obstructions to traffic flow on Hughes
Road at or near their
property make an unsafe condition I
think that would be reasonable thank
you sign up Sir uh yes sir um Alton
lavesque thank you Mr chairman and
fellow board members to be able to speak
with you tonight my name is Alton lak
655 Hughes Road Hamstead I'm here
tonight uh in in opposition to this
special use permit for we believe the
longpoint board of directors does not
have the authority to make this revision
request due to restrictions on the deed
I have a copy of the deed and I have
some that I can provide to you exhibit a
of the deed the last paragraph States
the use of the boat ramp and Pier
located on track B-1 and repairing area
adjoining shall be restricted to the
owners of the Lots in Long points
Estates and the owners of boat slips
parking spaces docks adjoining track B-2
or those that may be added on or joining
B-2 in the
future we have Deeds as well and our
Deeds have restrictions as well when
Rober when Raven Hughes created all the
he owned all that land he didn't want
did not want an HOA to be able to come
in and change the character of the prod
property and so what he did is he wrote
restrictions into the deed to prevent an
HOA from overriding those restrictions
they exist in their deed today I have
restrictions in my Deed on who can use
my boat ramp as well we all do and I'd
like you to continue to honor that
restriction in the V where do you live
Hughes Road right up the street from the
boat ramp okay so you are you a red dot
or a yellow dot I didn't see any dots
Wasington Wast Washington AC I'm
Washington the Acres I'm I'm the boat
ramp right next to it oh
okay and longpoint state has the same
this is Longo State's
deed thank you
appreciate this is this is the property
in question that has the Restriction to
only the own property owners with you I
was
just okay so you were you are not a Long
Point no I'm not I'm not a Long Point I
am a vested interest because I have
access to the boat ramp adjacent to this
property and I'm in negatively impacted
as a result of this
change yes
ma'am out of being a Washington Acres
resident you don't this is the weekends
down there so that's parking on the side
of the road correct that's and it's also
they are they for the last few years
they have been violating the community
boating facility by selling permits
conducting commercial operations on that
ramp I would like I have a Facebook post
where they have advertise that they are
open for business they who long
appointed States longpoint homeowners
association yes
ma'am if I may approach I can I can
share that with you hand it to the clerk
you wish oh pass it to us and if I and
if I made read it this is well
we'll Grant you a few extra seconds
since
you yes ma'am uh good morning this is
dated December 19th 2021 Facebook good
morning Happy New Year we received
feedback that several folks are having
challenges in receiving time responses
and information for our HOA property
management company called Joe go excuse
me we sincerely apologize for the
inconvenience and decided to step and
assist directly with the process of ramp
pass process if you are interest in
retaining a boat ramp PR pass to our
private Bo private ramp please feel free
to send an email to longpoint estate's
board of directors and it's their email
there and then the next paragraph is
Longo States will be offering for sale a
very limited number of yearly passes to
their private boat ramp LP offers this
priv offers a private boat ramp with
gated access leading to the icw you do
not need to live in Washington acres to
obtain a pass passes are first come
first sered please contact the lp HOA
property management company for more if
you read paragraph 4 of the memorandum
of understanding that's submitted the
HOAs are not coming together longpoint
Estates is selling individual licenses
to
individuals they are customers of long
points Estates HOA they're trying to
continue
this thank you stepen Neil
I'll be quick thank you for letting me
to speak um in the event of Memorial Day
uh Fourth of July Labor Day any weekend
basically um it was mentioned before
that in the event of overcrowding on the
street um the only solution I heard was
that the three HOAs will come together
and figure out a solution and I don't
think that is attainable it's not
realistic and how do you coordinate
something like that without people just
arguing it's just going to cause a
complete disaster so that's that's my
point that's all I have to
say Brian
Moore good evening Brian Moore 145
Circle Drive St I am part of the
Washington Acres
Community um I frequent the boat ramp
probably once a week on average
I know how the traffic is down there I
um it gets
busy it's it's doable but it gets very
busy an additional 40 is going to make
it a nuisance on top of that Greystone
is 1.7 miles from the boat ramp and that
1.7 miles I believe there's 8 90° blind
hand turns on a small road that is
filled with
children at
in the huge road in front of the boat
ramp there is nine children that live
there it's very limited it's a very nice
Community the extra traffic is going to
be a problem somebody's going to get
hurt I don't want to see
that on top
of all the traffic the nuisance that is
going to cause they've also built nine
ramps slips I'm sorry across our boat
ramp well now the access is limited
coming and going out of the ramps so to
add an additional 40 more people coming
and going out of the adjacent ramp on
top of the large volume that we have it
is it's going to be a challenge it's
going to cause problems there's going to
be
incidences I don't know the solution but
I don't believe we should add it until
we can
maybe work
together but I don't believe that's an
option either
so huge safety factors in mind and I am
thoroughly thoroughly against granting
an additional
40 thank
you thank
you Paul pic
board Paul piic 104 Circle Drive
Washington
Acres um we all want everybody to boat
and commute and have fun on the water uh
Saturdays is a major problem down at the
boat
ramps both of them mainly their ramp is
underutilized I think our HOA approached
them to try to use some of their parking
I don't know what happened with that but
there's parking all on the streets going
on on Saturday Sun days holidays if we
add another 40 people there or even 20
it's going to cause some
issues uh one of the things we do want
to do is be friendly neighbors we just
want everybody to abide by the Deeds
that are written we have a unique
situation with Washington Acres Long
Point Estates they have Deeds written in
there verbiage to prevent this and it's
for a reason because it's a unique
community
I moved there for that reason deeded
water
rights it's Unique it's not Sloop point
it's not another Marina where there's 50
people waiting it's very nice it's a
great thing to use we don't want it to
be
commercialized that's all I got can I
yield my time to
Alton not no sir no sir I'm sorry I
tried
buddy um Liam
deor not sure and by the way I should
have said earlier I mispronounce your
name and is nothing
personal I was impressed with that last
one you said it yes good evening my name
is Liam D I'm a resident in the
Greystone Community was one of the early
residents and moved in in
2010 uh the original developers of
Greystone longpoint and hammock's watch
um the Land Company of Pender um Jerry
Reeves JW Fussell and and um David Greer
had intended for the use of the boat
round to be extended to just those three
neighborhoods and it was all in place
legally but for the exception of some
paperwork that the attorney at the time
James Brandon did not file with the bank
um with which uh their developers had
their mortgage that bank subsequently
foreclosed and was assumed by another
bank and we worked diligently the HOA
myself and Mike Griffin at the time and
he was was the president I was the
secretary on the HOA board and uh
fortunately we were unable to uh to work
with the with with everything and the
ownership reverted to longpoint Estates
so what this current agreement is
proposing is really a revision to the or
version to the prior um intent of
extending access to Greystone and
hammock watch uh to the boat ramp during
that original transaction the property
was originally 3.21 Acres 21 Acres was
carved off and sold or deeded to
Washington Acres so their boat ramp
actually includes some of the original
property so their their um access has
been improved through um prior
transactions on this lot and that was
around about 210 time frame I believe so
that's that's just my point I think uh I
think we're all cognizant of what's
going on with traffic in the area but
honestly with 40 extra um boats compared
to or up to that many compared to how
many people use was and Acres um it is a
drop in the bucket compared to the
property and it was also a part of the
original intent of the development that
we be extended
access thank you thank
you Lindsay
Warren hello Lindsay Warren I live in
Greystone 145 thoron Drive uh would
appreciate consideration of our request
uh just based on the history of the
understanding that U you know we had
access to use this knowing that that
space is underutilized and the traffic
concerns going into public boat ramps um
we just feel like that you know it's a a definite you know advantage to
be able to use it so close to our
neighborhood so would appreciate the
consideration Phil Cordo
good evening my name is Phil poro I'm at
230 Thornton Drive in Greystone um just
a couple comments I wanted to remind
everyone that I think we get
increasingly concerned about traffic on
17 and every trip that
we're sending to the underutilized uh
longpoint Estates boat ramp is one trip
that were're taking off 17 because my
family and myself and all the other
users of of this boat ramp we currently
using the Lewis Road boat ramp facility
which I think we're all aware is next to
Sloop point and it's very very heavily
utilized so we're taking we're not
creating any additional trips we're just
taking them off of 17 and moving them
onto a local Road within our community
um the other thing is there's about a
hundred uh Parcels within the Washington
Acres neighborhood and as you can see
their facility is actually about
onethird the size of ours when you
consider the total acreage and so if
you've got a 100 homes using that that
that's much smaller of a parcel versus
only 40 on ours I I think think that U
we need to think about the parking and
you know whether or not maybe uh
Washington acres is creating some of
that traffic because again they have 100
homes about 100 homes in their
neighborhood versus only 40 that were
asking to be on the uh longpoint Estates
boat ramp and of course the ultimate um
guide to parking is that you issue the
passes on a first come first Sur basis
so if we determine that you know the
capacity of the boat ramp and the
parking Etc is only you know let's say
25 then the first 25 you know permit
hold or homeowners Within the group um
that applied and they would just get
first some first serve um permits and
then the rest would have to wait until
there is
vacancies um other than that again we
sincerely appreciate your consideration
thank you so
much coie
Cordo hello my name is Coy Cordo and I'm
representing the Greystone Community
this
evening I am a fisherman and a mother of
a small child I own a 14t John
Boat during this whole process I've been
thinking a lot about the access and
where you kind of get out into the water
and at Safe Harbor going down to Lewis
Road right beside slute point I tried it
recently and it's like getting on an
on-ramp an
I95 I got ran over and it was very scary
so I immediately turned the boat around
put it back on the trailer and headed
back home
this access will obviously provide a lot
of recreational value to myself and my
family and the community and that's why
we moved to Hamstead we came here to be
on the water fish clam oystering
following all the rules that are
provided by the state of North Carolina
and enjoying the water that is around
us the folks that are here that are
against this maybe being washed in acres
um we ride by that boat ramp daily
including Saturdays and Sundays
frequently see traffic on the road
because of the Washington Acres ramp Lao
Marina is I've only seen it filled up
one time so we're talking about 40
permits that you know the own owners of
the boat ramp and all of us being there
at the same time I haven't seen it but
one time in a few years so just kind of
want to put that in context as well
thank you for your time thank
you um Daryl Collins
good evening uh my name is Daryl Collins
I live at the first house in Greystone
can you speak up Sir my name is Daryl
Collins I live at the first house in
Greystone it's 18
thoron uh when I first moved in um I
want to start with this that that's been
eating at me
since literally since I got back from
the trip when I first moved in the real
estate agent promised me I'd have boat
access and I when I found out that it
wasn't deeded I went after that real
estate agency and a lot of our
homeowners have been promised that as
well these communities were built by a
group of Builders they were all built
together for our access and through the
time that I've been there since
2017 I've been using that boat r
paying a nominal fee and everything
seemed to be working out fine I have
never and I have probably one of the
biggest boats and I probably use it more
than anybody here and I'm going to tell
you I have never seen parking ever be a
problem for us and anybody in Washington
Acres that has any complaint about
parking is complaining about
themselves our community doesn't use up
everything in Long Point we barely even
I have never had to park outside the
gate with my boat and trailer the
outside parking is given to us when we
had the rant passes for us to invite
friends to park their individual cars
there so they never even have a trailer
behind them and there's there's a a good
amount of distance between the main road
and where the fence is where they pull
up and and what I'm trying to say is
that taking away our access for for
boating rights does put us back on the
water where we have to go to the state
boat ramp I own a very big boat it costs
a lot of gas if you're talking about
environmental impact in General a lot of
us are so upset about this that we're
going to start looking for a different
way to get another boat ramp built which
means that's a big environmental impact
I've talked to Jason already about it
and he's told me about not messing with
the seagrass everybody's really upset
going down to the public boat ramp it's easily 12 to 14 miles Towing my
boat putting my boat in driving my boat
back down to the end of South topsil how
much gas does that
use when it when we talk about going to
the boat ramp and our access us using
our side of that ramp for all the years
that I've been doing this I I take my
boat down Washington Acres Road I don't
go weaving through Hughes or any of the
other roads to get there I have to
partially because of how high up it is
in the air but I have anyway just
because the traffic going around the
corners I am very concerned about
everybody else in the community and kids
playing but we have other things going
on and I want to say that that this
isn't something new every body here has
been dealing and we have not the picture
is showing all the cars parked outside
there we haven't been using the boat
ramp all this year so if those pictures
were made this year that is Washington
Acres parking out on those
roads so thank you thank you Suzette
Collins yeah I I we were just confirming
that yeah I'm we're not done yet sir but
yeah I'll go ahead and call you up now
she's good evening Ben Molin 77 Thorton
Drive um here tonight to voice my
support for the permit I'm a resident
property owner of the Greystone
Community also an HOA board
member um sharing of long points
underutilized boat ramp is consistent
with the original plans for these
neighborhoods many of us have uh illeg
ille illegitimate access stated on our
Deeds we know it's not legal not legally
binding three neighborhoods are sister
neighborhoods originally developed by
the same developer and they who intended
for this access at that
location um as my neighbor chip just
mentioned those pictures that were shown
were during the time that we were paying
a nominal fee um I I believe this is all
to get in compliance with the Udo um
that was actually my truck in one of the
pictures so that's a average US day
Greystone it's 35 Lots 29 homes less
than a third of us are boat owners and
kayakers so you know a fraction of the
40 we do
Traverse um you know talking about
traffic we all drive and Traverse Center
Drive Hugh Road Washington Acres Road
daily we walk ride bikes have children
um current water access is north on 17
through the 210 and 17
intersection um you know it's a 25
minute drive without traffic couple
hours on the weekends if
so um so this permit will actually
reduce boat traffic on
17 and the pressure on S Point Road
which we know is pressured from all over
the state I think we all have friends in
Raleigh that come here on the weekends
um so just yeah thank you for your time
this evening and um considering this
positive impact to our community thank
you Terry
Williams hi I'm Terry Williams I um have
property on Washington Acres Road 11b
we're in the process of building a home
down here and um when we purchased
property down here a couple of years ago
that was the first thing that appealed
to us was the marina area and the way
that uh the boats were down there very
picturesque it looked like a New England
town almost it was so it was so Charming
but the the the point I guess that
someone made to me the other day and I'm a native North Carolinian and uh my
grandmother used to come down here spot
fishing so I mean you know it's kind of
in my in my blood to uh to appreciate
the the property down here and the land
down here
but that as as one person pointed out to
me that Marina and those ramps down
there people have been putting their
boats down there for a long time okay
they put some electronic Gates down
there you know if years back but you
know the precedents has been set and the
boating community and the fishing
Community they've been putting their
boats in there for a very long time and
this part of the tradition of Washington
acres and the inter Coastal
Waterway and I think when you start with
a
regulation and often times it's it's for
the betterment of the community but then
at the same time I think you need to
temper that with your
consideration of what your heritage of
your community is and what the people
are expecting you know as
Citizens thank
you Barry
barber Barry barber 128 Circle Drive
resident of Washington acres for over 30
years um there's been some follow
information spread about tonight about
the developers of those communities I
personally was a friend of Raymond
Hughes who was the original developer of
Washington acres and Longport Estates he
developed both those communities and
each one of them had a private boat ramp
it's written it's not a homeowners
association rule it's written into the
deed legally in the deed those ramps are
for the exclusive and sole use of
members of those two subdivisions so I'm
not even sure how this zoning question
it's not even legal the these
specifically States they cannot be used
by anyone else so that eliminates one of
the issues on your agenda the legality
secondly we've talked about the
commercial use these gentlemen are
proposing to sell a number of slips the
new communities do have no rights or
rules they're simply selling passes if
that's not a commercial application I'm
not sure what is they've created a
memorandum of understanding to kind of
skirt that issue but the bottom line is
longpoint Estates is simply selling
passes to other communities for monetary
value they're basically making a 100
Grand a year or so from that so that's a
commercial Enterprise which is also
illegal in the community boat ramp
standards that you've put up here
tonight the the lady mentioned parking
there's approximately 15 spaces for
trucks and trailers that are in the long
por estate's property it's that's that
close maybe it's 16 maybe it's 14 but
approximately 15 in that range so now
you're proposing adding another 40 or so yes parking is going to be a problem
I've heard people in the Greystone
Community mention some unscrupulous
developers that promised them rights and
I know that's true I know that happened
and I do feel for them that's that's
wrong and it shouldn't have happened but
that should not infringe upon the rights
of the property rights of people who
bought in good faith into communities
expecting
the restrictions in our Deeds to be
honored the legal restrictions in the
Deeds that's that's all we're talking
about that should be the end of this
it's not legal what they're asking so I
do and I totally acknowledge voting
access is a problem in Hamp it's a
problem all up and down North Carolina
that's why people who bought in
Washington acres and bought in law en
por states did that they we realized
it's a exclusive Community with
exclusive use of the ramp for MERS MERS
of those communities only that's what we
paid for that's what our Deeds say
legally and I think that's what should
be
continued I'm not sure how it goes much
beyond the legality of the deed everyone
in Long Point Estates signed their deeds
just like I did that's a legal contract
they should be held to that contract
just like I expect to be thank you thank
you those are all the signups Mr
chairman
um yes
sir the pleasure of the board he's been
here the whole let him speak okay come
up speak state your
name will youorn sir sir yes sir sir I I
just want to clear up a couple things
not take much time thank you so much for
allow me even though I didn't make the
list uh original owner
Greystone uh been some misconceptions I
don't know if it's because people came
in after the original gravestone or not
here's the deal Builder used his own
attorney attorney screwed up we got
screwed out of our rights all we're
doing and Longport Longo is the only one
that can allow this to happen for
clarification because the only reason
they still have that and the bank
doesn't is because it was deed to them
and the bank couldn't take it from them
we had a handshake agreement with Longo
for years that allowed the original
owners of two other subdivisions that
lost their water rates to use that for a
nominal fee for me I for years it was
350 bucks there has never been anybody
to the best of my knowledge when I par
there and I use it all the time parking
on the road out there because we don't
have to it's never full you go out there
July 4th Memorial Day Labor Day never a
problem so all we are asking from the
board your mercy on this to correct a
mistake the stroke of a pen that an
attorney did not do to give us the same
rights that we're entitled to that Long
Point has and the other two divisions
don't that's all we're asking for and
praying for here is to not go through
the BR race of the public
rants because we lost the rights that
we're entitled to our property values
have already taken a hit we've already
lost our water rights our property has
taken a hit because of
that and I'm sorry for y'all in
Washington Acres we don't affect any of
that y'all's
people because Washington Washington I'm
sorry Washington Acres people they don't
sell enough passes you have to have a
special pass Park IND the
Gated the other people have to park on
the
road okay
well the evidence is they got vast more
houses than we got and vastly less land
so you make your conclusion on who's
parking on the road and who's not
there's a picture you don't see but one
truck parking on long
pointed isal and the deed was legal when
we signed the attorney messed up and
didn't do his right we had we had to
sign an agreement not to sue him as
owners it's in the paperwork y'all can
research it if you like I promise you
thank you so much thank
you D for sure
now may I ask a question of attorney
Nichols
yes yes
ma'am I just don't
understand why
does why are there so many people in
Long Point Estates who were not members
of HOA I asked the same thing that's why
I asked Ellen wman to be here because I
had a I I don't understand the
background as to why some of the Lots my
understanding is the way it was
developed never became part of the
covenants um so I I can't explain it um
but that's how uh that's my
understanding of the current state of
affairs that there's a number of locks
that just aren't part of the HOA or
they're not they don't I don't I don't
think they pay dues I don't think
they're part of the
covenants uh but um I did want to answer
that question but but I wanted to add
something at the appropriate time but thank you for providing this because
it shows that roughly half of Long Point
acres does not have water access or at
least is not a member of the
HOA yes ma'am now some of course some of
those folks are on the water so they may
have a peer or they have the ability to
have a pier and in which case I don't
know that they really need the boat ramp
but yes ma'am I I didn't understand it
myself and like I said was figuring it
out today and didn't get a chance to put
that in the presentation but from what I
understand that's that accurate
23 23 HOA lots have access to the boat
RAM and that's similar up the street Old
Point Old Point Property Owners that
have property adjacent to the water do
not have deed access to to the what is
Harbor Village jock club marina they
don't have DED access to because they're
on the water because they're on the
water there's only three of these Lots
looking at this map that that are on the
water that don't have access or don't
have rights to the boat why those three
I don't know yeah there's more than that
Mr chairman three four five six these
this is this is water here yeah that was
that water there that's not water yeah
the end of the creek is right there
that's his property oh
M Mr chairman may I add something it's
speak with my client and hearing the
comments we we would like to reduce the
request from 40 passes to 25 I was
fixing to ask that question because in
the original presentation wasn't it a
much less
number I remember reading 20 or 25
somewhere in the past I I don't recall
Mr chairman on this particular item but
I would say that um from what I
understand
my from my client we likely wouldn't
even sell the 40 I say sell I mean
provide for the
um um provide for the other
neighborhoods a the 40 the 40 passes so
the 25 is is a more reasonable number it
also significantly lessens the uh impact
on
parking uh it's probably about a 35%
reduction 40 to to 25 would be about a
35%
reduction um and um like I said the the
a number of the Lots in
um hammock watch they have the wet slips
and from what I understand from the
Greystone um folks not everyone has a has a boat anyway um and as far as
the issue of um this is not a we would
respectfully contend this is not a
commercial use in the sense of um it's
not open to the public it would be very
limited and of course there has to be a dues or a fee associated with that
there's costs associated with it there's
Insurance there's upkeep there's
maintenance there's you're expanding you
would be expanding the scope of it so
yes there would be
a monetary component to it but that's
true of any HOA with dues and that sort
of thing so
um but the idea is not to have a it's
not to have a commercial boat ramp there
it's to accommodate these two other
neighborhoods that otherwise are not
going to have access to a boat ramp and
we think it would benefit them it would
benefit us in the sense that we could
make better use of the ramp and also
plan for maintenance upkeep and just
allow better use of it and you heard
some of the testimony about um
historical or customary use but um in
any event we we understand and realize
that the the only use Allowed by that
ramp
today is by the Long Point Estates
owners the only board that can expand
that is this board and so that that's
why we're here asking for this board's
consideration can we C are we can we be
allowed or are we allowed to expand in a
limited capacity to allow these two
other neighborhoods to make limited use
of it um and we think there's there
would be a lot of benefit to that so we
appreciate the U the the time and
consideration of the request does the
23 residents in Longo do they pay will
they pay the same fee
if you want to call it a fee or
registration as the ones from the other
two
subdivisions I would have to ask my
client but I I
don't it's theirs are like the I guess
you would say the HOA dues so this would
be boat ramp boat ramp passholder dues I
guess is how you would characterize it
but it wouldn't be they wouldn't be
paying the same amount as a lot owner in
Long Point
their is it monthly or annual or
quarterly pay annual dues so it's not a portion of that dues goes
towards the bank the the boat ramp
maintenance I assume now I I believe it
would have to I mean to make it not look
like a commercial no organization I
would think you would need to charge
everybody the same price I mean that's
just my okay I I don't know if anyone
from the HOA would like to to speak to
any of those issues
but sure this is the president of the of
the Long Point States HOA is he
considered pardon is he considered
applicant yeah okay CH you just
introduce yourself yeah good evening I'm
Chad Willis currently the president of
the HOA at Long Point Estates um first
of all Aon 10 is not to create problems
by doing this it's not completely
arbitrary that it's Greystone and
hammock watch because we understand even
though we weren't part of
that there's some bad history there and we feel like that they're the folks
if we're going to extend this offer
that's where it should go the last thing
we want to do is create traffic problems
and and because we live there as well we
just are underutilized we have some
excess capacity and we'd like to help
some of the following surrounding
communities um I think 25 passes if you
did the math of the number of people in
hammock's watch and the number of lots
in Greystone and you Factor some
percentage that don't have boats against
the people who hammocks watch you don't
they have their own boat slips like we
do it's just 25 I don't know that we'd
sell 25 passes but we do sell them and
we say sell we do that because we have
couple hundred feet of Bulkhead we have
docks we have the ramp we have upkeep of those two acres approximately it's a very whatever we charge it will
be a fair number and it's not decided at
this point this is something that the
whole board has to
discuss as far as I get the question why
wouldn't you charge the same thing or a
pra amount for the upkeep of the
facilities to keep it from seeming as if
this is a um uh a a profit Enterprise
right well there is a res res erve
factor that comes in in the event of a
storm of course none of those facilities
are insured you know if hurricane comes
through we we hope to build up a reserve
to cover that
contingency um we do pay annual HOA dues
it's it's it's in in the event of
shortfalls we would be
assessed not a regularly
scheduled HOA due we would have a
special assessment to all of the owners
in longpoint Estates and only longpoint
Estates not just other communities the
HOA boat ramp
do it's it's not broken out we we
pay we pay one annual
HOA homeowners fee if what I'm saying is
if that doesn't cover the upkeep on
these facilities or damage to those
facilities because as Matt mentioned
earlier we're responsible for that that
would we would pay that out of pocket by
way of a special assessment
so would your current structure if you
charged $1,000 a year say for each
resident Lo how much of that thousand is
set
aside for the maintenance for the grass
keeping the upkeep of the fence upkeep
of the docks
currently right now it goes into a
general fund but that's something that
we could be more than willing to listen
to suggestions if that if you're what I
think you're getting at is you would
like to see some some or all of those
fees be dedicated to that boting
facility right now it looks like you're
maintain you're going to be maintaining
your boat ramp off of the the
memberships or whatever you want to call
it that you're selling to the to the or building your reserves and I I'm kind
of like our chair here it would be way
more palpable to
me
if as you say you you have sympathy for
the gray watch and and the other
community that you feel may have been
built out of some rights if they were
being charged and or assessed the same
amount uh as your um the res as your
homeowners otherwise if you're just
selling it access for a some certain why
are you limiting it to gry watch you
know why wouldn't people in burgal have
an opportunity to access this
opportunity for the Vates do you see
what I'm saying I I do I mean it's
proximity and history I mean and I'm
just playing The Devil's Advocate by
saying that but but you know unless if
we're trying to get away from it being a
money-making proposition and and and
then too I I don't really understand in
light of this Facebook advertisement
that appears to be a
solicitation for for s ing uh boat ramp
access how many of these are
outstanding and if
25 additional members to this Longo HOA
are permitted does that preclude anybody
that had previously purchased and
currently holds access to this boat
rra that
was we are not
currently well we're not currently
selling passes that that's we haven't s
how many people I guess maybe I should
ask this how many people outside of
Longo
HOA currently have access to use the
boat rep having paid an
amount Z zero different from what your
homeowners zero okay all right so what
was this all about that's
from when I when it came to my attention
2021 December 2021 and
2023 uh when it came to my attention
that the ramp was being used by members
other than longpoint Estates I told them
to stop doing that it's not allowed and
my understanding is they stopped doing
it which would have been it's I can't
hear really hey can we keep it down in
the audience please and and do and I've represented longpoint Estates
on a very limited basis really since the
I was before you all in 20123 for the
expansion um in the context of
representing them when I learned about
the others I guess historically using
the
ramp I said you can't do that under the
Pender County zoning ordinance you need
to stop doing that and my understanding
is they stopped doing it so correct me
if I'm wrong they haven't had anybody do
it
since I don't know I'm not sure when we
haven't probably haven't collected any
fees I I hate to say I may give you bad
information but I suspect it it was the
beginning
of
2023 maybe and as soon as we were
informed that this is not it's not legal
U we stopped and we had informed
everybody that wouldn't be selling
passes until we had a opportunity to
come before you and hopefully get the
blessing to do that again um so soon as
we found out that we were not compliant
we stopped and I'd have to say we we we
get calls daily about when can we do it
again and we just have to tell them we
don't know and and that's really why
we're here to see if the board will
allow the use by others to resume under
this at this point if it was allowed by
the board I would say the benefit of it
is there would be a special use permit
in place which would be a clear
enforcable framework with conditions
that that would set out all the
parameters in which case we would ask
for simply 25 additional how how can you
ask for 25 when you're limiting access
to a specific
group I.E gray St Stone and watch what is it which may have more folks
than
25 um and I'd like to ask Trey a
question I would assume you do a lottery
how would you how would you determine 25 first come
first serve or lottery or I don't have I think the fair thing to do would be to
look back at the folks that had passes
in the past and offer it to them I I
don't I don't
think how how would that work when in
fact the folks that had passes in the
past some were not part of Greystone and
hammock watch yeah that only those that
were in Greystone or hammock watch we we
the only pass holders that we would have
would be from those two communities we
don't we don't think or know that we'll
even have 25 folks step up as but for
the reasons we pointed out earlier
hammock watch has a total of I think
five folks that don't have direct water
access and I don't know that all five
have a boat and then the Greystone
Community 29 develop Lots out of
35
um I'm just guessing but I don't know
that we would have 20 of those that
would want be interested in the pass so
but that those are the only
two you would really need to have an
opportunity to allow them
yes uh the the 25 was is really just to
have a look at it and we we're fairly
certain that 40 would not be a parking
problem but 25 if it a lays any concerns
with surrounding communities um if we
had excess of 25 that wanted them we
wouldn't be able to sell those it would
be on a on a lottery basis as I believe
the chairman mentioned
um Mr Nichols can I ask you a question
ma'am we've heard from Washington Acres
residents who have deeded exclusive
water
rights what is the situation with the um
Long
Point
um
Deeds I don't States I don't know that
deed was brought are there deeded
exclusive water rights
well I that deed was brought to my
attention now I'm talking about anybody
that has a yellow dot on this exhibit
that has access to this boat dock do
they have
exed
exclusive
rights well to this boat doc as members
of the longpoint Estates HOA they have
access to the Long Point Estates
ho
deed as do the folks in Washington
AC does the Long Point
Estates homeowners that that are yellow
does their deed specify that they have
exclusive rights to utilize that boat
slip sir I'm not talking to you really
truly I'm not and I'm tired of the
chatter Comm commissioner Newton I do
not know the answer to that question I'm
going to ask if perhaps Ellen do you
know the answer to that question as to
how the how those deeds actually read in
Long Point
or come up to the mic please man' and
because the thing concerns me from a
legal perspective if in fact that Clause
exists in the long Point EST States
Deeds how what right would we have then
to go forward and say okay irregardless
of what these deeds and any irregardless
of this exclusive nature of these water
rights in this community go ahead open
the door
see so I think what you're referring to
if I'm correct is the individual Deeds
of the individual lot owners yes okay
and so I my recollection of what those
say is some of them give them individual
assignments of boat slips but none of
them talk about the boat ramp so they give them membership in the HOA
itself and then the HOA itself owns that
real property to which that boat ramp is
attached or sits on and then some of
them were given deed boat slip access
which has been a separate topic of much
discussion amongst the community about
whether that's legal or not um but
whoever drafted up those deeds did give
them some specific boat slip assignments
and the exclusive use of certain boat
slips but I have not reviewed any Deeds
I've not reviewed all of them obviously
there are a lot of them but I've have
not reviewed any Deeds that specifically
give them exclusive use of the boat ramp
so just for example and uh I'm not going
to get too far further down in the weeds
but these property owners in Longo
Estates that have are on the water that
are the red dots they're red dots
because they have a boat slit on their
property I don't know why they are red
dots um there are my understanding is
four Waterfront lots that have boat
slips or docks on their own property
that are individual docs okay um but
what I've seen when I've gone back
through all their HOA documents is there
were plat Maps recorded there was an
original declaration recorded annexing a
the first few Lots into longpoint
Estates and then the annexation kind of
went two Lots at a time one lot at a
time and it was no longer the developer
annexing Lots into the HOA but rather
the individual property owners who had
purchased the Lots from the developer I
believe that coincided with the bank
foreclosure and other things that
happened and I just don't believe that
the HOA fully
developed um as the neighborhood was
developing so it it became a situation
where after a certain period of time
what you see is certain Lots voluntarily
joining the HOA and voluntarily becoming
annexed into the HOA but there was not a
m
PUD type scheme where the entire
neighborhood was put into an HOA like
you would see today if and you know
developer came and applied for that
right to do so so it's it is very
confusing but we've got 23 Lots within
the HOA again of those 19 have slips in
community boating facilities and four
have slips on attached to individual
peers that come off their waterfront
property
so when everything that you just said to
us you're referring to longpoint
Estates yes as distinguished and
distinct from Washington Acres property
owners who have deeded exclusive
rights yes and I believe the the
discussion about the exclusive rights
had to do with the common area itself
not the individual Lots owned by the
individuals within longpoint
Estates thank
you one more
question this
work uh I I trust your um legal
Acuity having had many cases with you in
the past do you see any
reason uh that we couldn't allow this
legally I do not um if anything I I
think it's a totally separate issue but
I do not see any reason why the special
use permit could not be approved as been
applied for with respect to longpoint
Estates and having heard Washington
Acres uh Property Owners uh talk about
their deeds and their deed restrictions
and their exclusive rights that doesn't
in any way impact this homeowners
association on Long Point I don't I
don't believe it does to the extent that
again what Longo Estates is asking for
is a special use permit for its
Community voting facility now whether or
not Washington acres has an issue with
longpoint Estates head-to-head on some
other issues you know I don't know I
have not investigated the validity of
that I I didn't mean to put you on the
spot that's okay but certainly you've
had more opportunity to review um the
documents and deed restrictions then certainly we have so thank you
thank
you any other questions comments for the
applicant or
staff if not
s do we have a motion
for to deny
I um just got some discussion I'm trying
to wrap my head around
this that's a pretty significant amount
of property when compared to the other
boat
ramp I just
don't I'm struggling
with that private
property and the owners of that private
property not being able to do what they
want to with it and with a reasonable
means
um you know if it if I was a part of the
Long Point folks and I wanted to have a
limited amount of um users to use
that I mean I why should that be the
government telling telling people I I
just don't I have a problem with that
um I understand both sides I do but uh
and I understand the the the difficult
the
difficulty of boat access in pend County
I wish there was some more public ramps
too I've used slop point I use rights
full Beach a lot but I have to do it at
4:00 in the
morning
um
but I'm trying to the thing about it
with me
is Washington acres has been using
theirs for years and has significantly
less property and I can't recall of any
major
problems that they've had
I I would be in favor of a very limited
amount of usage from The Long Point
side I
mean I don't even know why we're here
talking about that I mean I'm I I like
the idea of private property owners
being able to do what they want to
within the guidelines of not causing
pollution or anything like that but um
I would move I would uh make a motion to
move for
approval we how are we talking about 25
are we talking about that's what I was
getting ready to say stipulation of a
limited amount of usage not I mean not
to go over certain amount and then it
begs the question how are you going to
enforce that with the parking stickers I
would I would imagine now how would you
enforce it if 40 of them go park because
we can't enforce that private property
so that's that's the other
question the only time that can be
enforced the sheriff can enforce it and
Highway Patrol can enforce it when
they're on the public RightWay Trey is
that correct if they're on the public
right impeding traffic they can be to
yes
sir I mean private property couldn't we
task the homeowners association with the
responsibility of ensuring no
obstruction to have that diligence and
doing that and that would be that would
be in play
automatically it should yeah it should
be we we well that's not at the here
tonight yeah well it's not at the public
boat R it's called Sloop Point them poor
folks that live along slute Point Road
are catching it yeah but
um so so my only my only condition was
the one about the upkeep of grounds yeah
well I I would definitely be in favor of
that and and making sure that there's
no you know the erosion controls there
and things like like that you would I
mean nobody wants to pollute the Estuary
there I use the Waterway as much as
anybody in this room and uh I try to be
a good Steward of
it
but if it's not being utilized and a
private body wants to be able to little
let a some limited folks utilize it I
mean I think that should be up to
them and I'll second that
motion Mr with the stipulation of a
limited amount of 25 or less or how you
know no not
over maybe
25 um Mr chairman if I may I do have
some language I've drafted up and I
think Daniel might have some as well um
we can take this one at a time so the
language I have and feel free to provide
any feedback or request any corrections
um owner to ensure precautions are taken
to minimize erosion and runoff and
related impacts to public trust
Waters is that in line with your
intention Mr
George is that language satisfactory yes
okay sounds perfect and then the other
condition um for commissioner Newton
owner to ensure no obstructions to
traffic movements along Hughes
Road just just for one more just for
discussion one of the other issues we
had at at a previous spot was
lighting is there lighting I didn't even
think to ask is there Lighting on this I
didn't I couldn't tell in the
pictures the issue at the other facility
I'm talking about with a special use
permit is lighting over into a private
homeowner yeah so I don't know that we need to make that a condition maybe
from the future may become a problem the
homeowner will come and
complain I I like those two um but I
think that we're going to get in trouble
if we
start really confining it to a number
because if you say 25 and you've got 32
people
in gray gry stone and then the whatever
the watch Community what's the name of
hammock watch what hammock watch hammock
watch if if you've only got five in
Hammock
watch and uh how many did we say in
Greystone had 35
Lots so we're really only looking at
four I don't know why we C count three
potential in Long Point that has well I
think Mr Nichols was I think the HOA and
the and the the applicant was willing to
work with the community I do think that
so yeah and I think it was their intent
to to make whole gray watch and hammock
um gry Stone and hammock watch
so you know I whatever limitations they
want to put on it I would certainly say
that that would
be the folks that should be allowed
access if that's what I
heard so so now your turn again would
you like to restate that motion all
that well yeah I'll just I'll restate
the motion to put forward um with the
stipulations that staff has
added he's got a yeah he's com up
with and Mr Burton you would you could
also say the conditions um the standard
special use permit conditions yeah in
addition
yeah I I
still I'd hate to see a hundred people
getting access you know what I mean i'
I'd still like to see something with you
have that correct you have the limited I I do I have limited to 25 written down
okay but we can certainly Workshop that
now if you like do with
that so limited to 25 users external to
the that that the applicant has agreed
to publicly right so but are we talking
about 25 users from Greystone or the
first 25 the first
2 they do that I think that's up to them
how they talking about so just to so I
just want to clarify something to that
point so in terms of the use of the pro
the proposed use here in the continued
use here is a community boating facility
so it has to be within the purview of
that Collective Owners Group which we
have the memorandum of understanding for
those two communities so we could say
limited to
25 within those two communities in
addition to Long
Point that sounds fine wouldn't
it I I just don't think it's fair when
we're so close if there's three or four
more that wanted
access yeah from gray gray rock you got
start somewhere I think I mean yeah if
they're satisfied with that the
applicant satisfied with 25 then then
that's
it I think we close
that is
that want to speak to the numbers MD we
have a motion on the table we' already
started that all right so are we
restating the motion he's he's restated
it I've restated it as staff has
written and he's got it in there for the
25 okay I think that's reasonable I'll
second it all those in favor raise your
right hand any
opposed I'm surprised you're still here
I thought you thank you
everyone it
passes so real quick
um I got an email while we were in close
session that people are getting their
and this will become a big issue you
hadn't been through this yet but it's
going fix it to people are getting their
way letter with no stickers in there and
they're calling the tax office and the
tax office is send them the utilities
and utilities is send them to Susan the
Su tell them they all got to go to or
somebody's telling them they all got to
go to Hamad to get them so we went
through this last year was a nightmare
with stickers was terrible it was
terrible for