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count in Jesus name

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America and to the Republic for which it

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stands one nation under God indivisible

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liy and justice for all we have any

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veterans in the audience if you remain

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standing we recognized

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thank you board members you've had an

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opportunity to review the agenda Mr

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manager I think there is one addition to

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the consent agenda yes sir chairman

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George I would like to add one item to

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the consent agenda it is going to be

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item 8.9 it's going to be a request to

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reclassify the solid waste coordinator

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position to Solid Waste

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superintendent is there a motion to

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approve the agenda with that Amendment

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motion to approve the agenda with item

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8.9 added to

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reclassify um Solid Waste Water position

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second all those in favor raise your

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right

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hand thank you board

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members we have a public hearing

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tonight Henry a public hearing for local

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match for funding of the 5311

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administrative Grant and combined

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Capital Grant an approval to transfer

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funds from roap allocation to 5310

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funding

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Grant so we are in under that public

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hearing is there any signups or anyone

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to speak to thatman George no one has

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signed

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up is there any the U material was sent

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is there any questions for the board or

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if you just want to briefly tell the

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public what what the grants for too the grant is for public transportation

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to

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transport um CI across the county or

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into generally new hanb County for

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medical treatment um often it's dialysis

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and those types of uh needs it's to

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purchase two new vehicles as well as for

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our administrative match that'd be for

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the next fisal

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year any questions board

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members Tom this matching Grant um it's

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for the 25y year um gener right now now

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um NC do where we purchase our vehicles

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are running about a year and a half

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behind so it could be probably another

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year and a half before you actually

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receive

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those those vans they have to rack up

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some miles I'll see them all over the

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place hundreds of miles a

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day there's no other comments or

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questions we'll close the public hearing

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thank you thank

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you I think it's further in

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it's in the in the consent

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AGA public

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information recognizing Jamie flowers

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and Candace

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Brewer president Morton thank you for

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joining us tonight thank you appreciate

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the invitation and glad to be here um

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just to uh recognize two of our students

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and actually it's unusual because uh

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mother and daughter and they graduated

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at the same time we recognize the other

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day at the commencement and first I can

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introduce the mother of the team was uh

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Jamie flowers who earned her diploma in

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Pharmacy technology Jamie initially

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started the pharmacy technology program

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in

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2003 but PA their education is to take

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care of a young kids and help them grow

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up but persistance pays off and here she

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is today in 2024 finishing that program

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she hopes to secure a position I in an

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inpatient facility where she can fulfill

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her passion for assisting pharmacist and

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providing patient care in addition have

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a daughter here as well Candace Brewer

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earned her uh diploma in Aesthetics

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graduated from pen High 6 months early

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looks his accomplishment and was drawn

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to cfcc a studies program due to her

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deep interest in the connection between

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exterior appearance and mental health

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well-being upon passing her state

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certification she hopes to work working

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at a salon where she can immerse herself

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in learning about the field her ultimate

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goal is to sort her own business but in

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addition to that cace also received the

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uh presence award which meant she had an

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overall GPA of 4.0 so it's impressive

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both were born and raised here in uh in

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pen County and currently reside in

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ainson and both chose cake fury because

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of the proximity to home affordability

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and overall reputation but what they

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don't re realize is that when we have

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commencement we typically give out uh

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basically a letter in a portfolio a

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folder and later because we have some

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many students we mail them but I have

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the originals here tonight for you so

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you don't have to wait for them in the

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mail okay so if you would you could come

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up that's to Jamie

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first and then also for Kansas we have

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your diploma but also certific

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don't stand up here on

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behind congratulations

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come over here

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camera thank you both thank

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congratulations

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if I can why have your attention I just

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want to mention a couple things I looked

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at this morning overall we were up in

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our um attendance last year enrollment

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by 6% but actually in Pender County our

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curriculum side we uh we increased by

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over

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133% this year over the last year and on

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the ConEd side contined education we're

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up 18 and a half per. this shows that we

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really are pushing hard in Pender County

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to increase the attendance and if you

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recall you know a couple years ago we

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bought two buildings over here in Bal

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and now we've received $4 million that

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go toward the expansion of Surf City

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pretty much duplicate the space we have

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there to add another 10,000 square ft

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and so we continue to do what we can

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here in pend County so thank you for

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your support thank

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you 6.2 annual update from Wallace

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Pender

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airport Mr Jones

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uh good afternoon uh board members my

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name is Ben Jones I'm the manager of

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Wallace Pender airport and uh we're

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happy to be here for our annual update

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and um here's our presentation here is

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this the clicker okay so um before I

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begin we have officially changed the

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name to uh from Henderson Field Airport

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to Wallace Pender Airport

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um it's a very exciting partnership

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we've got going we love we appreciate

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all your support throughout the year and

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from the years past we also need is even

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the radio calls are now the proper radio

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call is Wallace Pender airport so Pilots

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here that Pender County uh across the

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radio and of course uh Mr Fred McCoy is

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one of our advisory council members so

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it's good to see you a lot of people

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don't realize that's in P the county

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wall yes yes yes

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sir so here's a little overview of the

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airport our identifier is Alpha Charlie

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Zulu right now the runway is

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4,150 Ft uh we have 100 low Leed Avgas

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and we have jet a um we have a crew car

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for Pilots to use and we've had several

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other states they'll use the crew car to

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go to burgal they use the crew car to go

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to in town Wallace to do other various

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activities we have tie down and ramp

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for transient planes and also stationary

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planes right now uh we have 14 hangers

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there and we have an onfield uh

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maintenance facility that's privately

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run there as well that's aircraft

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maintenance um our clientele will get

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business jets that come from all the way

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from Austin Texas to look at new

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business

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opportunities and then we also of course

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they'll will have house raford come in

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to fly in their their check on their

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farms and we also have a lot of

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small two seater four-seater airplanes

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and these are families traveling across

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the country or they're for used for

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recreational or flight training

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purposes and uh here's our meet the crew

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U that's me on my name is Ben Jones

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there on the right I've got David pal he

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he's in the middle he's a part-time

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employee and I've got Anthony Roso on

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the left he's also a part-time employee

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and as you can see as the year's Trend

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we're getting busier and

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um 2023 physical year we were just right

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at the 6,000

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operations uh mark this year we broke

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the 7,000 operation Mark and I have

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print outs if you would like to see them

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later after my

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presentation so the biggest reason we're

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here today not only just for the yearly

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up update all these projects that we've

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been talking about is is finally coming

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together it's finally happened the grant

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money has been awarded and the bids are

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in and the road relocation project will

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be starting between November and

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December and as you can see Old bille

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rerouted and the old road will be

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reclaimed and the the runway will be

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extended to 5,500 ft and this is so

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important because more private jets and

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also more flow and of customers will be

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coming to the area spending money in

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Pender County and also the land around

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it can be developed for Aviation

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purposes bringing in a lot more jobs to

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the to the

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community and here's a closer look at

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the map as you can see and this has been

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on the wall of the of the FBO terminal

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for several years now and it's it's been

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at least a five-year project getting the

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do to approve and the grant money so

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look for changes around the rock fish

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area of of Pender County right there

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around the

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airport the second project we have which

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is happening even sooner it's going to

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be the runway rehab and lighting program

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we're going to be rehabing the existing

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Runway that we have now getting it ready

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to extend in possibly two years from now

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and it's all do Department of Aviation

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going to me out the old existing Runway

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and we're getting new LED lights which

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are better for the pilots to see at

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night they also use less electricity and

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they also have a much longer life on

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those individual lights and of course

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the project will also be prepping for

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the runway extension and that'll be

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early September 2024 so now I'm thinking

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that's going to be more at end of later

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September 24 and this grant money has

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been already awarded and um Fred Smith

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Company got the bid for this individual

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project uh Barnhill got the bid for the

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re Road relocation

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project so now as we're expanding

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looking to the Future here is the map

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that shows

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you the F the total phase one

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project uh the the new phase one project

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will will have a parallel t tax way now

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Pilots have to land and Back Taxi to get

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to the ramp we'll have an actual

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parallel taxi way the new improvements

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are there are in the

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purple we'll also have a new FBO

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terminal building a 10 acre ramp which

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is in

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Orange um and the plan is to build

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corporate and general aviation tea

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hangers and as this airport grows the

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economic impacts for pendrick County I

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would say would was going to explode for

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this community because we're going to

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have so much more offered for larger

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companies to move to Pender County

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because they look how close their

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company or their Farm is based to a

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large general aviation

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airport H I didn't

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want and here's a larger map of the

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project of this is phase one phase uh

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the end of phase one this is after the

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road has been realigned the earliest for

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this the road has to be done first and

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that's a 365 Day project just for the

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road so next year that should be

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finished the phase one project is two to

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three years out in the time window for

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the runway extension and the parallel

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Runway and just a quick conclusion we we

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love serving our community uh we have

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the Young Eagles Boy Scouts they fly

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children from the age of 7 to 17 three

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times a year at the airport and and uh

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it's a free airplane ride for children

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in the and they can get their Aviation

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badge the bo Scouts and it's not just

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boys it's boys and girls in that age and

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it's a free airplane ride all they have

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to do is sign up in advance through our

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uh the the Young Eagles program and they

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can find that by calling the airport or

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also the EAA chapter here in bural at

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stag a park they also partnership with

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us there as

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well the mlad leadership academy also

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hosts a a ground School for Children uh

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interested in learning aviation jobs and

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they come three times a year and we host

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a class with the kids about different

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job opportunities in the world of

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Aviation and we're also connecting

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Pender County to the Future we're

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growing and seeing what other benefits

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and other opportunities we can bring to

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this area and I invite each and every

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one of you if you have any questions

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please do uh come by uh Wallace Pender

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airport we'll give you a tour and uh you

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can get in depth of more the projects

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that are upcoming to come and if there's any questions I'd be happy to

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answer them for Wallace they going to

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run a order and sewer line out there

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that is that's the plan that's in the

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works

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right is M

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there

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yeah and probably Sil would be a

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big that should be a big name changer

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get that Runway

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yes

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sir Mr Jones thank you for the uh the

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update on on that's wonderful to know

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that um that the

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airports partnering with with local

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communities especially the Young Eagles

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and Mount Calvary that's a great program

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to yes sir it really is and that's what

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it's about the youth yes sir we had our um 70th Anniversary flying

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this year too uh back in June 15th and

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we had over 200 PRP precip

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precipitates so that was very exciting

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as well awesome great so uh anytime you

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have any questions just please come on

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by and visit us and we really appreciate

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the support and grow Aviation and this

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community we appreciate it for Pender

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County and welcome Mr manager Mr Rob

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Taylor app

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Wallace Town manager

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there any other questions comments

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we appreciate it thank you yes sir thank

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you

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6.3 fall Veterans Services update Miss

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Lee good evening everyone I just wanted

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to give some updates for late summer

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early fall things that are happening in

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our office um in our community for

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veterans

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so we do have the 911 coffee and

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breakfast for veterans that's going to

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be held at 9:00 at the Hamstead Library

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completely free uh we do ask because

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there's limited availability to just

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contact myself to

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RSVP there's also the monthly burgo

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veteran social that we're going to be

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doing at the old Carolina eery this

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month it is this Saturday from 10: to 12

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also free for veterans in their families

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to come join and come out and see

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us we will be hosting assist training

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which is is applied suicide intervention

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skills training on November 6th and 7th

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um that's going to be at the Hamstead

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Library again completely free um not

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just for veterans can be for law

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enforcement um anyone who's interested

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in attending um it can be used towards

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certain accreditations and cus depending

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on the field you work in again just

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please contact myself so I can save a

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spot for you because there's limited

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availability the Marine Corps League uh

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is going to be having their annual

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barbecue fundraiser I think Hamstead

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Annex uh going to be $12 per plate

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that's going to be on October 12th um

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you can contact again myself or any of

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our staff if you wanted to buy a ticket

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in advance or you can buy them right

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there that

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day operation green lights coming up

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again um you'll see me again next month

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to talk more in depth on that but that's

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going to be U observance in October but

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then the reflection of the lights from

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the 4th through the 11th at the uh

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County

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buildings there's going to be a virtual

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Town Hall coming up soon for the VHA for

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veterans to attend we're also working

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with them to try to get one in person

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here in Pender County so in the works no

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dates have been set

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yet um and here's just a little update

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that we got from the veterans benefit

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Administration the other day uh the

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biggest thing uh to highlight in this is

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that they have surpassed 2 million

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claims processed so far this fiscal year

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2024 and the average Grant rate was

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64.6% with which the average disability

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rating being around

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70% and then then there's our contact

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information we thank you is there any

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questions comments appreciate what you

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do help me a lot to all the veterans and

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we really appreciate thank you what

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you're doing good to see you out last

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time at the coffee too yeah I like that

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it gives um gives veterans a place to go

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to socialize um

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I would like to see more of that as I

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think it would be helpful for members of

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the community whether it's U County

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sponsored event or not and um um

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Carolina eery is uh very good to sponsor

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that for our local vet so I want to

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shout out to to them they've been

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amazing and and we bring we try to bring

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in a different speaker each time so it's

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not the same thing over and over again

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um again no pressure to you know towards

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claims or anything with our office it

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just allows them to meet other veterans

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that they may not have been able to

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connect with um as well as see what

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resources are available to them let them

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Network absolutely thank you thank you

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good

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job 6.4 imagine Pender 2050

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comprehensive land use plan Community

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engagement

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events good afternoon uh Mr chair

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members of the board uh my name is Adam

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Moran I'm the long range planner for the

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county and we're very excited to be

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moving forward uh with the Imagine

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Pender comprehensive land use plan it's

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a new comprehensive land use plan for

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the county which is has a lot of impacts

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on the county over the next few decades

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um so it's a we need everyone kind of

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giving their feedback and that's one of

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the things I wanted to uh share with you

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all today um as well as a very brief

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update we had our second steering

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committee uh meeting back on July

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29th uh working with our Consultants

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Clarion Associates and um you kind of

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started talking about the the survey

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questions online survey that will be

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coming out which will um tentatively be

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available on uh September 17th through

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October 22nd so that's not 100% but that

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I think that's what we're we're going

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for and that's the tentative date for

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the online

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survey um a couple of documents are

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being you know kind of solidified by our Consultants a community policy

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profile uh which kind of just looks at

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all the different plans and ordinances

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and everything that kind of guides the

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county and policies and

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ordinances as well as a community

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Factbook which is a lot of you know

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great background information that will

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be kind of an appendix to the the

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finished plan there is I want to tell

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everyone as well there is a website

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specifically Al for this please um go

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check out the new County website in

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general that we got this summer but also

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U Pender count nc.gov

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imagin uh to go find out all the the

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different updates and and things that

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are happening uh with the plan as well

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as uh an email address specifically for

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the plan it's imagine at Pender count

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nc.gov so if you have any questions uh

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please feel free to reach out to me

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through uh that means uh also very

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specifically wanted to talk about the

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community engagement window I already

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mentioned the the online survey that's

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supposed to be coming out on September

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17th but we have a I don't know we could

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call it a road show we have a 10

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different events we're going to be

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around the county uh you know letting

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folks know about the comprehensive plan

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but really seeking that feedback uh from

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members of the public so we have uh

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starting uh September 17th and 18th

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there's two events per day and then

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after that we're going to calm it down a

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little bit and do one event uh per day

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over the course of three weeks uh not

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every single day U but you see the dates

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there on the board and I wanted to let

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everyone know uh here there's these

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little pieces of paper I'm sorry if it's

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very small I can print you bigger ones

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they're out on the table out there

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please take them or talk to me and I can

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get you a bigger printed copy um these

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are uh events that we're going to have

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where everyone would be able to come to

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these different locations and learn

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about the comprehensive plan why it's

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important and uh also offer your

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feedback on growth development uh all

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the different things that that everyone

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um you know has a lot of things to say

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about and so these are the great

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opportunities we have um coming up and

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be happy to answer any questions but

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just definitely wanted to share that

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with

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youall any questions board members

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I just appreciate you for to putting

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these meetings together for the

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community this is going to outline the

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growth for the years to come thank you

554
00:24:38,240 --> 00:24:39,760
for you and your team for doing that

555
00:24:39,760 --> 00:24:41,960
giving everybody the opportunity the

556
00:24:41,960 --> 00:24:43,559
citizens you know growth and

557
00:24:43,559 --> 00:24:45,279
developments on everybody's mind right

558
00:24:45,279 --> 00:24:47,760
now and it's a good thing a good way to

559
00:24:47,760 --> 00:24:49,120
get their input and give them some

560
00:24:49,120 --> 00:24:51,679
ownership thank you yes sir thank

561
00:24:51,679 --> 00:24:54,200
you so this is the first set there'll be

562
00:24:54,200 --> 00:24:55,880
another set of community meetings at

563
00:24:55,880 --> 00:24:59,240
towards the end correct would I'm sorry

564
00:24:59,240 --> 00:25:00,240
there's another set of community

565
00:25:00,240 --> 00:25:01,840
meetings that'll happen after the plan's

566
00:25:01,840 --> 00:25:04,200
kind of started right yeah after there

567
00:25:04,200 --> 00:25:06,840
the consultant has drafted the kind of

568
00:25:06,840 --> 00:25:10,080
first draft there will be it should be I

569
00:25:10,080 --> 00:25:11,799
think around April of next year there'll

570
00:25:11,799 --> 00:25:14,039
be kind of a reveal or you know open

571
00:25:14,039 --> 00:25:16,440
house type of uh events where we get

572
00:25:16,440 --> 00:25:18,919
public feedback on the the draft copy of

573
00:25:18,919 --> 00:25:21,840
the plan yes

574
00:25:21,840 --> 00:25:24,480
sir so the The Early times I'm kind of

575
00:25:24,480 --> 00:25:27,000
concerned about is that you think you'll

576
00:25:27,000 --> 00:25:29,480
have much participation from 2 to 4 in

577
00:25:29,480 --> 00:25:31,799
the on Wednesday afternoon uh we are

578
00:25:31,799 --> 00:25:33,720
very much going to try to get the word

579
00:25:33,720 --> 00:25:35,799
out on that and kind of the reason we

580
00:25:35,799 --> 00:25:38,000
had that is our Consultants are in town

581
00:25:38,000 --> 00:25:40,640
at that time for for that particular day

582
00:25:40,640 --> 00:25:41,480
yes

583
00:25:41,480 --> 00:25:43,600
sir I just want I just want everybody to

584
00:25:43,600 --> 00:25:45,279
have the opportunity I mean it covers

585
00:25:45,279 --> 00:25:46,919
from the coast to the count to the

586
00:25:46,919 --> 00:25:49,640
country and U I don't want anybody left

587
00:25:49,640 --> 00:25:51,799
out because they can't make it

588
00:25:51,799 --> 00:25:54,799
to a 2:00 meeting in Atkinson with

589
00:25:54,799 --> 00:25:57,200
majority of people in Atkinson don't

590
00:25:57,200 --> 00:26:00,600
work there they work outside of that was

591
00:26:00,600 --> 00:26:02,080
my only concern when I seen the schedule

592
00:26:02,080 --> 00:26:04,640
that some of the time seemed early for

593
00:26:04,640 --> 00:26:07,279
people that at work outside of those

594
00:26:07,279 --> 00:26:09,279
areas yes sir other that I'm glad to see

595
00:26:09,279 --> 00:26:12,120
it's finally moving that's great thank

596
00:26:12,120 --> 00:26:15,430
you thank

597
00:26:15,440 --> 00:26:19,830
you any other questions

598
00:26:19,840 --> 00:26:23,240
not we thank you we are

599
00:26:23,240 --> 00:26:25,600
at public

600
00:26:25,600 --> 00:26:29,760
comment how many do we have we have six

601
00:26:29,760 --> 00:26:32,080
individuals signed

602
00:26:32,080 --> 00:26:35,159
up all right so I'll read the little

603
00:26:35,159 --> 00:26:36,440
statement here speakers will be

604
00:26:36,440 --> 00:26:38,000
acknowledged by the

605
00:26:38,000 --> 00:26:40,440
board tonight be the county manager in

606
00:26:40,440 --> 00:26:41,720
the order in which the names appear on

607
00:26:41,720 --> 00:26:44,000
the sheet speaker shall address the

608
00:26:44,000 --> 00:26:45,799
board from the podium and begin comments

609
00:26:45,799 --> 00:26:48,399
by stating name and address speakers

610
00:26:48,399 --> 00:26:49,799
shall be courteous and respectful in

611
00:26:49,799 --> 00:26:51,200
their remarks and shall refrain from

612
00:26:51,200 --> 00:26:53,679
personal attacks the use of profanity

613
00:26:53,679 --> 00:26:55,399
and the discussion of personnel or other

614
00:26:55,399 --> 00:26:57,880
matters deemed confidential by law

615
00:26:57,880 --> 00:27:00,360
speaker ERS are limited to 3

616
00:27:00,360 --> 00:27:05,950
minutes and so we're ready to go Harold

617
00:27:05,960 --> 00:27:08,799
Fields is there a Harold Fields

618
00:27:08,799 --> 00:27:11,000
here there was two gentlemen that signed

619
00:27:11,000 --> 00:27:14,399
up early that that left I know I I don't

620
00:27:14,399 --> 00:27:15,559
know if they were the first two but I do

621
00:27:15,559 --> 00:27:17,840
know two two gentlemen signed up early

622
00:27:17,840 --> 00:27:19,640
James

623
00:27:19,640 --> 00:27:21,600
Wilson they were here to speak on the

624
00:27:21,600 --> 00:27:25,080
waist M waste yes sir

625
00:27:25,080 --> 00:27:27,080
treatment okay we'll go to the next

626
00:27:27,080 --> 00:27:36,510
person Kim Meer

627
00:27:36,520 --> 00:27:38,520
good afternoon Commissioners uh Kim

628
00:27:38,520 --> 00:27:41,240
Meyer 102 lesie

629
00:27:41,240 --> 00:27:46,360
Lane um I have a a video I guess it's

630
00:27:46,360 --> 00:27:55,990
about to

631
00:27:56,000 --> 00:28:02,389
go not sure if he's going to show it

632
00:28:02,399 --> 00:28:04,840
this is actually Foy Plantation in

633
00:28:04,840 --> 00:28:07,600
scottshill

634
00:28:07,600 --> 00:28:11,679
um that's now he's on a different

635
00:28:11,679 --> 00:28:14,760
one basically um what these videos will

636
00:28:14,760 --> 00:28:18,960
show is that um Scotts Hill received a a

637
00:28:18,960 --> 00:28:22,919
lot of water as did every Community um

638
00:28:22,919 --> 00:28:25,519
I'm sure in Pender County uh the weekend

639
00:28:25,519 --> 00:28:29,360
after Debbie passed through um I have

640
00:28:29,360 --> 00:28:31,039
some photos from

641
00:28:31,039 --> 00:28:35,440
4205 Scotts Hill Road this is um Herman

642
00:28:35,440 --> 00:28:39,919
and Susan um I'm sorry Wolf Gang and her

643
00:28:39,919 --> 00:28:42,399
Wolf Gang and Susan Herman's yard they

644
00:28:42,399 --> 00:28:45,760
actually are at the 16 foot drop from 17

645
00:28:45,760 --> 00:28:48,080
to Scotts Hill Loop Road and they're

646
00:28:48,080 --> 00:28:49,799
receiving a lot of the sediment that's

647
00:28:49,799 --> 00:28:52,799
coming across from Blake Farms this is

648
00:28:52,799 --> 00:28:54,519
actually their backyard and I'll pass

649
00:28:54,519 --> 00:28:56,159
these around so y'all can see them

650
00:28:56,159 --> 00:28:58,279
they're kind of rolling up on me right

651
00:28:58,279 --> 00:29:02,519
now um in addition to the developments

652
00:29:02,519 --> 00:29:06,559
that are at um 17 Blake Blakes form we

653
00:29:06,559 --> 00:29:09,640
also have uh sweet grass that's coming

654
00:29:09,640 --> 00:29:13,000
through and this is a flood map of what

655
00:29:13,000 --> 00:29:15,559
um that area where sweet grass is going

656
00:29:15,559 --> 00:29:19,440
in looks like and I also have the

657
00:29:19,440 --> 00:29:22,600
proposed housing that will be put in 228

658
00:29:22,600 --> 00:29:26,159
homes in that area um on this USB I've

659
00:29:26,159 --> 00:29:29,760
got a drone video of of that field and

660
00:29:29,760 --> 00:29:33,200
of uh Foy Plantation there's also a

661
00:29:33,200 --> 00:29:37,039
video of Oakville and a video of um boy

662
00:29:37,039 --> 00:29:39,600
Plantation the one that supposed to be

663
00:29:39,600 --> 00:29:43,960
showing um I also have more photos this

664
00:29:43,960 --> 00:29:46,600
is a damaged drainage system and I do

665
00:29:46,600 --> 00:29:49,799
want to thank um Daniel Adams and Beth I

666
00:29:49,799 --> 00:29:51,559
don't I didn't meet her so I'm not sure

667
00:29:51,559 --> 00:29:53,600
of her last name for coming out to our

668
00:29:53,600 --> 00:29:56,640
area and looking at this drainage system

669
00:29:56,640 --> 00:29:58,320
where it's completely damaged and

670
00:29:58,320 --> 00:30:01,360
blocked off and Foy Plantation is

671
00:30:01,360 --> 00:30:03,559
receiving quite a bit of rainwater then

672
00:30:03,559 --> 00:30:06,880
from Scottdale and it's causing um

673
00:30:06,880 --> 00:30:09,919
flooding in my yard and then in several

674
00:30:09,919 --> 00:30:12,760
other properties as well um there's

675
00:30:12,760 --> 00:30:14,960
Drone footage as well on that and then

676
00:30:14,960 --> 00:30:17,679
we have um actually some of the field

677
00:30:17,679 --> 00:30:20,120
and the flooding in the field the

678
00:30:20,120 --> 00:30:23,600
concerns here are um damaged drains that

679
00:30:23,600 --> 00:30:26,640
have not been fixed and um we understand

680
00:30:26,640 --> 00:30:29,279
we have to work through the NC do our

681
00:30:29,279 --> 00:30:31,320
concern there is that we've contacted

682
00:30:31,320 --> 00:30:34,320
ncdot and we don't get any response so

683
00:30:34,320 --> 00:30:36,360
we'd really like to engage with the uh

684
00:30:36,360 --> 00:30:38,000
County and make sure that we get a

685
00:30:38,000 --> 00:30:40,279
response so that we can address those

686
00:30:40,279 --> 00:30:43,559
drains and then the development which um

687
00:30:43,559 --> 00:30:47,279
the Drone V footage would show

688
00:30:47,279 --> 00:30:51,159
um we they're they're going to have

689
00:30:51,159 --> 00:30:54,159
three Retention Ponds but um what we

690
00:30:54,159 --> 00:30:56,279
would also like to suggest is that they

691
00:30:56,279 --> 00:30:58,960
pump water and have filter system so

692
00:30:58,960 --> 00:31:01,200
that they can you know dump off into the

693
00:31:01,200 --> 00:31:03,519
futch creek into the inra coastal you

694
00:31:03,519 --> 00:31:05,960
know we want to keep our waterways as

695
00:31:05,960 --> 00:31:07,679
clean as possible yeah what going to

696
00:31:07,679 --> 00:31:26,909
happen this is the

697
00:31:26,919 --> 00:32:23,629
footage for

698
00:32:23,639 --> 00:32:28,240
thank you thank you ma'am

699
00:32:28,240 --> 00:32:34,269
next up we have Ellen

700
00:32:34,279 --> 00:32:39,389
ganis

701
00:32:39,399 --> 00:32:41,840
welcome good afternoon board members my

702
00:32:41,840 --> 00:32:44,760
name is Ellen ganus and I live at 22 Lal

703
00:32:44,760 --> 00:32:47,399
Street in Scotts Hill my family's had

704
00:32:47,399 --> 00:32:49,159
property in Scotts Hill since the early

705
00:32:49,159 --> 00:32:51,679
70s and I've been a homeowner since

706
00:32:51,679 --> 00:32:54,559
1994 I'm coming to you today like Kim

707
00:32:54,559 --> 00:32:56,240
because we are very concerned about the

708
00:32:56,240 --> 00:32:58,880
storm water management issues in Oak

709
00:32:58,880 --> 00:33:00,320
Veil and the other Scots Hill

710
00:33:00,320 --> 00:33:02,240
neighborhoods we've all experienced

711
00:33:02,240 --> 00:33:04,600
floodings in recent years we first

712
00:33:04,600 --> 00:33:07,200
flooded in hurricane Floyd

713
00:33:07,200 --> 00:33:09,519
1999 where the data suggests there was

714
00:33:09,519 --> 00:33:12,200
18 to 24 Ines Floyd was considered a

715
00:33:12,200 --> 00:33:15,039
100-year flood however since then my

716
00:33:15,039 --> 00:33:18,399
garage has flooded five times um we

717
00:33:18,399 --> 00:33:22,039
flooded in September 2016 April of

718
00:33:22,039 --> 00:33:26,600
2017 July of 2018 Florence um Florence

719
00:33:26,600 --> 00:33:29,559
and September of 2018 we had 24 inches

720
00:33:29,559 --> 00:33:32,880
of water in the garage um with hurricane

721
00:33:32,880 --> 00:33:36,200
Debbie the backside of it two weeks ago

722
00:33:36,200 --> 00:33:38,519
um we ended up with 12 Ines of water in

723
00:33:38,519 --> 00:33:40,919
the garage we had water that filled

724
00:33:40,919 --> 00:33:42,440
ditches and was rushing down the

725
00:33:42,440 --> 00:33:45,440
driveway and over our BMS I'm not sure

726
00:33:45,440 --> 00:33:47,960
which retention Pond they came from but

727
00:33:47,960 --> 00:33:50,279
I had minnows not tadpoles Minnows

728
00:33:50,279 --> 00:33:53,200
swimming in my garage closed garage

729
00:33:53,200 --> 00:33:55,080
clearly there's something not not

730
00:33:55,080 --> 00:33:57,000
operating correctly with the storm water

731
00:33:57,000 --> 00:33:58,440
management system

732
00:33:58,440 --> 00:34:01,200
this last rain after Debbie left

733
00:34:01,200 --> 00:34:02,880
multiple neighborhoods flooded and

734
00:34:02,880 --> 00:34:04,480
residents without access to the

735
00:34:04,480 --> 00:34:06,159
driveways they were either cars were

736
00:34:06,159 --> 00:34:08,159
stuck in the driveways or stuck on the

737
00:34:08,159 --> 00:34:11,119
road um this is inconvenient for them

738
00:34:11,119 --> 00:34:13,480
but is also a safety concern as fire and

739
00:34:13,480 --> 00:34:16,200
rescue workers would be unable to reach

740
00:34:16,200 --> 00:34:17,919
these homes if there were a fire or

741
00:34:17,919 --> 00:34:19,079
medical

742
00:34:19,079 --> 00:34:21,440
emergency so it's our understanding that

743
00:34:21,440 --> 00:34:23,760
you that the natural flow of water from

744
00:34:23,760 --> 00:34:26,079
Oakvale is through Foy Fields where

745
00:34:26,079 --> 00:34:28,679
Kim's video just showed the Sweet Water

746
00:34:28,679 --> 00:34:32,079
development is planned to futch Creek um

747
00:34:32,079 --> 00:34:33,599
where will that water go when the

748
00:34:33,599 --> 00:34:37,760
topology changes futch Creek um is set

749
00:34:37,760 --> 00:34:39,800
up to drain according to the research

750
00:34:39,800 --> 00:34:41,520
that I've seen

751
00:34:41,520 --> 00:34:45,599
3,813 acre Watershed with

752
00:34:45,599 --> 00:34:48,879
12.3% of impervious

753
00:34:48,879 --> 00:34:51,760
coverage please help us with the issues

754
00:34:51,760 --> 00:34:54,079
that Scott Hill residents are dealing

755
00:34:54,079 --> 00:34:56,599
with um and thank you for your time and

756
00:34:56,599 --> 00:34:58,960
attention to these storm order and

757
00:34:58,960 --> 00:35:01,079
future management

758
00:35:01,079 --> 00:35:05,390
problems thank you thank you thank you

759
00:35:05,400 --> 00:35:08,079
ma'am I cannot read the individual's

760
00:35:08,079 --> 00:35:11,320
name but the address is 330 Lafayette

761
00:35:11,320 --> 00:35:14,990
Street addressing

762
00:35:15,000 --> 00:35:17,880
flooding okay thank

763
00:35:17,880 --> 00:35:20,839
you I wasn't planning on speaking but

764
00:35:20,839 --> 00:35:23,440
I'm here with my neighbors um I'm from

765
00:35:23,440 --> 00:35:25,640
Scott no

766
00:35:25,640 --> 00:35:29,119
Oakvale and um I'm new to the county we

767
00:35:29,119 --> 00:35:31,880
moved here last year and we are

768
00:35:31,880 --> 00:35:35,079
concerned about flooding with Debbie our

769
00:35:35,079 --> 00:35:37,880
backyard flooded yes it was only our

770
00:35:37,880 --> 00:35:39,560
backyard we didn't have water in our

771
00:35:39,560 --> 00:35:42,800
garage but our backyard also backs to

772
00:35:42,800 --> 00:35:45,960
the new sweet grass development so I can

773
00:35:45,960 --> 00:35:49,400
only imagine what will happen

774
00:35:49,400 --> 00:35:52,920
once the topology changes and we have

775
00:35:52,920 --> 00:35:56,960
water coming from sweet grass into our

776
00:35:56,960 --> 00:36:00,560
backyard it's not just our backyard it's

777
00:36:00,560 --> 00:36:01,560
the whole

778
00:36:01,560 --> 00:36:05,160
Community um streets were flooded um I

779
00:36:05,160 --> 00:36:06,760
think there was a called the saac that

780
00:36:06,760 --> 00:36:10,760
was flooded for days after Debbie um

781
00:36:10,760 --> 00:36:11,599
let's

782
00:36:11,599 --> 00:36:15,880
see we recently also we just dug a hole

783
00:36:15,880 --> 00:36:19,800
in our backyard and it's it's clay soil

784
00:36:19,800 --> 00:36:23,040
so there was water with 2 and 1/2 ft

785
00:36:23,040 --> 00:36:26,520
there was already water there so I don't

786
00:36:26,520 --> 00:36:28,119
know what they're going to to do with

787
00:36:28,119 --> 00:36:30,240
the development but I think something

788
00:36:30,240 --> 00:36:33,200
needs to be done just to drain this

789
00:36:33,200 --> 00:36:37,720
water thank you thank you thank

790
00:36:37,720 --> 00:36:40,280
you last individual that has signed up

791
00:36:40,280 --> 00:36:45,589
is Tommy

792
00:36:45,599 --> 00:36:48,520
Batson so we're going to pause the timer

793
00:36:48,520 --> 00:36:51,560
just so it doesn't um Tommy's given an

794
00:36:51,560 --> 00:36:54,359
update for the county to to the public

795
00:36:54,359 --> 00:36:56,319
information good afternoon chairman and

796
00:36:56,319 --> 00:36:58,720
Commissioners um three weeks ago today

797
00:36:58,720 --> 00:37:00,920
em staff started preparing for what was

798
00:37:00,920 --> 00:37:03,040
going to be possible storm in the

799
00:37:03,040 --> 00:37:08,480
tropics um on Saturday August 3rd um a

800
00:37:08,480 --> 00:37:11,079
tropical storm Debbie is formed on

801
00:37:11,079 --> 00:37:13,920
Sunday the 4th Debbie became a hurricane

802
00:37:13,920 --> 00:37:16,680
and on Monday Debbie made lamf fall at

803
00:37:16,680 --> 00:37:18,960
5:00 a.m. near big Benin Florida with

804
00:37:18,960 --> 00:37:22,160
Winds of 80 M hours of cat one storm on

805
00:37:22,160 --> 00:37:23,800
into Tuesday we continue to prepare for

806
00:37:23,800 --> 00:37:25,480
the storm and on Wednesday the USC was

807
00:37:25,480 --> 00:37:27,040
activated after a state of emergency was

808
00:37:27,040 --> 00:37:29,119
signed to 5:00 p.m. the day before two

809
00:37:29,119 --> 00:37:31,240
shelters were open at topso and cap for

810
00:37:31,240 --> 00:37:33,160
elementary with no one coming in in the

811
00:37:33,160 --> 00:37:35,200
24-hour period they were open during

812
00:37:35,200 --> 00:37:37,280
Wednesday evening the county received

813
00:37:37,280 --> 00:37:39,760
two tornadoes one in Maple Hill around

814
00:37:39,760 --> 00:37:43,160
Highway 50 and 53 and also one on 421 at

815
00:37:43,160 --> 00:37:45,200
the Samson County Line no injuries or

816
00:37:45,200 --> 00:37:46,800
major damage to any

817
00:37:46,800 --> 00:37:48,800
structures and it continued to rain

818
00:37:48,800 --> 00:37:51,119
Wednesday into Thursday morning Thursday

819
00:37:51,119 --> 00:37:53,000
evening rainfall mountains and Holly

820
00:37:53,000 --> 00:37:56,079
Shelter were 3.29 in in areas of Long

821
00:37:56,079 --> 00:37:58,680
Creek and Curry Community received 11 in

822
00:37:58,680 --> 00:38:01,640
the EOC received 6.58 in of rain and the

823
00:38:01,640 --> 00:38:04,520
Hamstead Annex received 6.8 in of rain

824
00:38:04,520 --> 00:38:06,839
the weather service has been calling for

825
00:38:06,839 --> 00:38:09,319
10 to 15 they had pushed it to 15 to 20

826
00:38:09,319 --> 00:38:10,880
and we were spared with the dry air on

827
00:38:10,880 --> 00:38:12,359
the back side of

828
00:38:12,359 --> 00:38:15,520
Debbie which in the next coming days as

829
00:38:15,520 --> 00:38:18,599
you all know we saw rain um Saturday we

830
00:38:18,599 --> 00:38:20,599
knew both the Northeast Kate River and

831
00:38:20,599 --> 00:38:22,079
the Black River would go to Major flood

832
00:38:22,079 --> 00:38:25,560
stage NC do closed Highway 53 between

833
00:38:25,560 --> 00:38:28,160
Maple Hill and bergall around 2: p.m. on

834
00:38:28,160 --> 00:38:30,920
Saturday the OC knew this was going to

835
00:38:30,920 --> 00:38:32,880
be a potential threat to the county so

836
00:38:32,880 --> 00:38:34,480
we went to a minimum activation on

837
00:38:34,480 --> 00:38:35,839
Saturday afternoon and through Saturday

838
00:38:35,839 --> 00:38:38,359
night Sunday morning the e was in fully

839
00:38:38,359 --> 00:38:40,440
operational status at 8:00 a.m. and went

840
00:38:40,440 --> 00:38:42,680
to 24 operations until Friday at 5:00

841
00:38:42,680 --> 00:38:45,920
p.m. also on Sunday a swift water rescue

842
00:38:45,920 --> 00:38:48,400
team from bunkham County Task Force 2

843
00:38:48,400 --> 00:38:50,880
arrived here in the county to assist

844
00:38:50,880 --> 00:38:54,960
us and um on Monday that team was demoed

845
00:38:54,960 --> 00:38:57,640
in task force 9 out of fat will arriv to

846
00:38:57,640 --> 00:39:00,319
Back Field that team Tuesday the

847
00:39:00,319 --> 00:39:02,319
Northeast Kate fa River crested at NC

848
00:39:02,319 --> 00:39:07,599
Highway 53 at 16 feet. 51 ft 16.5 1 ft

849
00:39:07,599 --> 00:39:09,760
that's just over major flood stage at 16

850
00:39:09,760 --> 00:39:13,480
ft the Black River crested on Wednesday

851
00:39:13,480 --> 00:39:18,160
at 11.7 fet around 8:40 a.m. due to the

852
00:39:18,160 --> 00:39:19,800
continuous flash flooding we had

853
00:39:19,800 --> 00:39:22,680
Wednesday Thursday in Scot hill we went

854
00:39:22,680 --> 00:39:24,040
into Scott Hill on Friday morning

855
00:39:24,040 --> 00:39:26,000
evaluated some out took pictures and

856
00:39:26,000 --> 00:39:28,319
then the continued flash flooding

857
00:39:28,319 --> 00:39:30,280
Friday and Saturday and then the Sunday

858
00:39:30,280 --> 00:39:32,200
and adkinson Burg on Maple Hill added to

859
00:39:32,200 --> 00:39:34,839
the rainfall mounts and after a six- day

860
00:39:34,839 --> 00:39:36,800
total rainfall mounts in pend County

861
00:39:36,800 --> 00:39:39,960
averaged 9 to 20 in which was back to

862
00:39:39,960 --> 00:39:41,359
the original forecast of the National

863
00:39:41,359 --> 00:39:43,240
Weather Service just some little food

864
00:39:43,240 --> 00:39:45,599
for thought water rescue crews contacted

865
00:39:45,599 --> 00:39:48,119
120 homes in the flooded areas where

866
00:39:48,119 --> 00:39:49,280
people were Sheltering place in the

867
00:39:49,280 --> 00:39:51,920
flood waters also 10 people were

868
00:39:51,920 --> 00:39:53,760
evacuated by Swift water rescue teams to

869
00:39:53,760 --> 00:39:57,040
Higher Ground and 18 water rescue calls

870
00:39:57,040 --> 00:39:59,400
for people stranded in their vehicles

871
00:39:59,400 --> 00:40:01,000
and every one of them was a case where

872
00:40:01,000 --> 00:40:02,400
they drove around a

873
00:40:02,400 --> 00:40:04,839
barricade what where were where were the

874
00:40:04,839 --> 00:40:07,720
10 residential rescues they was

875
00:40:07,720 --> 00:40:09,319
scattered out some on the Black River

876
00:40:09,319 --> 00:40:11,560
some on the northeast cap feir River and

877
00:40:11,560 --> 00:40:13,480
I do not know the exact location of all

878
00:40:13,480 --> 00:40:15,839
10 so they were trying to drive through

879
00:40:15,839 --> 00:40:18,839
that border we had 13 people removed

880
00:40:18,839 --> 00:40:20,319
from vehicles that attempted to drive

881
00:40:20,319 --> 00:40:22,520
through flooded roads that dot had

882
00:40:22,520 --> 00:40:25,319
closed during the six day period the 911

883
00:40:25,319 --> 00:40:29,560
Center received 80 calls for weather related events in the emergency

884
00:40:29,560 --> 00:40:32,200
management app did 44 push notifications

885
00:40:32,200 --> 00:40:34,440
either by our office or by automatic

886
00:40:34,440 --> 00:40:35,640
weather

887
00:40:35,640 --> 00:40:37,800
notifications just a little rundown

888
00:40:37,800 --> 00:40:39,880
supporting agencies the Pender County

889
00:40:39,880 --> 00:40:41,359
elected officials each one of y'all had

890
00:40:41,359 --> 00:40:42,760
reached out some of you stopped by and

891
00:40:42,760 --> 00:40:44,599
that was appreciated all the County

892
00:40:44,599 --> 00:40:46,119
Employees the Sheriff's Office the

893
00:40:46,119 --> 00:40:49,359
Pender County 911 Center all the local

894
00:40:49,359 --> 00:40:51,800
PDS all the fire departments across the

895
00:40:51,800 --> 00:40:53,920
county Pender fire and EMS Pender County

896
00:40:53,920 --> 00:40:55,960
Schools Steve path and the National

897
00:40:55,960 --> 00:40:57,839
Weather Service Team in Wilmington

898
00:40:57,839 --> 00:40:59,839
bunkham County Task Force 2 swiftwater

899
00:40:59,839 --> 00:41:03,000
rescue team fat task force swiftwater

900
00:41:03,000 --> 00:41:04,760
rescue team the North Carolina Forest

901
00:41:04,760 --> 00:41:06,560
Service Brunswick County Emergency

902
00:41:06,560 --> 00:41:07,960
Management dupan County Emergency

903
00:41:07,960 --> 00:41:09,359
Management North Car emergency

904
00:41:09,359 --> 00:41:12,760
management Leland fire Stanley County

905
00:41:12,760 --> 00:41:15,520
911 Hamlet search and rescue the

906
00:41:15,520 --> 00:41:18,000
American Red Cross North Carolina do the

907
00:41:18,000 --> 00:41:19,839
highway patrol and the north Carina

908
00:41:19,839 --> 00:41:22,000
Department of Agriculture and many local

909
00:41:22,000 --> 00:41:23,400
businesses and that's just a quick

910
00:41:23,400 --> 00:41:25,839
rundown on the storm and we closed the

911
00:41:25,839 --> 00:41:27,520
state of emergency this afternoon we res

912
00:41:27,520 --> 00:41:29,920
sended that order at 4:00 and we're back

913
00:41:29,920 --> 00:41:31,040
and no more

914
00:41:31,040 --> 00:41:35,589
operations I have a

915
00:41:35,599 --> 00:41:38,839
question by what Authority Under what

916
00:41:38,839 --> 00:41:42,280
Authority do you put up those signs

917
00:41:42,280 --> 00:41:46,240
saying high water don't go through for

918
00:41:46,240 --> 00:41:48,760
the 13 individuals that you had to

919
00:41:48,760 --> 00:41:52,200
rescue out of their car what was the

920
00:41:52,200 --> 00:41:55,760
signage that they went went past they

921
00:41:55,760 --> 00:41:57,599
were all road closed signs that is all

922
00:41:57,599 --> 00:41:59,640
handled by North Carina do and then they

923
00:41:59,640 --> 00:42:01,240
handle it because it's their Road they

924
00:42:01,240 --> 00:42:03,520
close them and even though a barricade

925
00:42:03,520 --> 00:42:06,400
may be moved out of the way NC do has to

926
00:42:06,400 --> 00:42:09,200
go out and do a full Road inspection

927
00:42:09,200 --> 00:42:10,920
shoulder inspection if it crosses a

928
00:42:10,920 --> 00:42:12,040
bridge they've had to go out and do

929
00:42:12,040 --> 00:42:14,079
bridge inspections prior to them having

930
00:42:14,079 --> 00:42:15,760
to open it up

931
00:42:15,760 --> 00:42:18,520
and but that's a highway patrol manner

932
00:42:18,520 --> 00:42:21,920
to enforce yes and is that being

933
00:42:21,920 --> 00:42:24,200
enforced Highway Patrol did their best

934
00:42:24,200 --> 00:42:25,760
attempts to keep po out there but I

935
00:42:25,760 --> 00:42:27,200
don't think they had adequate staff in

936
00:42:27,200 --> 00:42:29,440
has maned all the control points

937
00:42:29,440 --> 00:42:32,319
247 would you consider that that signage

938
00:42:32,319 --> 00:42:37,000
is related to safety it

939
00:42:37,000 --> 00:42:40,640
is I don't know uh Mr County attorney

940
00:42:40,640 --> 00:42:42,800
but correct me if I'm wrong violation of

941
00:42:42,800 --> 00:42:46,520
a safety statute is negligence per se I

942
00:42:46,520 --> 00:42:49,920
would definitely say so yes Comm and

943
00:42:49,920 --> 00:42:51,720
today we only had one injury throughout

944
00:42:51,720 --> 00:42:53,480
the entire storm and no deaths here in

945
00:42:53,480 --> 00:42:56,240
this County did you receive any calls

946
00:42:56,240 --> 00:42:58,559
from any of the folks that saw fit to

947
00:42:58,559 --> 00:43:01,200
drive past the road closed sides the

948
00:43:01,200 --> 00:43:03,280
many of them call 911 for assistance and

949
00:43:03,280 --> 00:43:04,960
we for the rescueing teams no no no

950
00:43:04,960 --> 00:43:09,480
before they went around the side we did

951
00:43:09,480 --> 00:43:14,119
not and if I may expand briefly um the

952
00:43:14,119 --> 00:43:16,000
county does not have authority to close

953
00:43:16,000 --> 00:43:18,480
the roads it would be either through the

954
00:43:18,480 --> 00:43:21,359
sheriff or do in conjunction with the

955
00:43:21,359 --> 00:43:24,119
highway patrol on doing that so I mean

956
00:43:24,119 --> 00:43:26,400
the the chairman enacted a state of

957
00:43:26,400 --> 00:43:28,000
emergency but but the statute was

958
00:43:28,000 --> 00:43:30,520
changed the county as the county does

959
00:43:30,520 --> 00:43:33,280
not have authority to close roads uh

960
00:43:33,280 --> 00:43:36,040
what what my point is while I sympathize

961
00:43:36,040 --> 00:43:39,359
with people having to get home having to

962
00:43:39,359 --> 00:43:41,960
cook supper having to get home from work

963
00:43:41,960 --> 00:43:44,160
having to do you know when we're in a

964
00:43:44,160 --> 00:43:45,480
state of

965
00:43:45,480 --> 00:43:49,599
emergency um we know in this County

966
00:43:49,599 --> 00:43:53,160
pretty much if like at my house I know

967
00:43:53,160 --> 00:43:56,000
that there's a place on shalow road

968
00:43:56,000 --> 00:43:58,319
that's going to flood I know it so I

969
00:43:58,319 --> 00:44:03,040
just have to go another route um but I

970
00:44:03,040 --> 00:44:05,800
think that it would behoove people to

971
00:44:05,800 --> 00:44:09,760
make accommodations for for these types

972
00:44:09,760 --> 00:44:11,240
of things when they know we're going to

973
00:44:11,240 --> 00:44:14,359
be in a flooding situation rather than

974
00:44:14,359 --> 00:44:17,559
putting their lives at

975
00:44:17,559 --> 00:44:21,160
risk and thank you for having the staff

976
00:44:21,160 --> 00:44:24,240
to go out and the Personnel to go out

977
00:44:24,240 --> 00:44:27,359
and do these rescues we appreciate app

978
00:44:27,359 --> 00:44:29,480
it thank you anything else and for

979
00:44:29,480 --> 00:44:30,839
keeping us

980
00:44:30,839 --> 00:44:39,470
advised thank you Tomy done thank you

981
00:44:39,480 --> 00:44:42,240
Tomy we're at consent agenda is there a

982
00:44:42,240 --> 00:44:44,599
motion to approve the consent agenda

983
00:44:44,599 --> 00:44:49,790
including

984
00:44:49,800 --> 00:44:53,280
8.9 which was the addition for the um

985
00:44:53,280 --> 00:44:58,829
reclassification yes sir

986
00:44:58,839 --> 00:45:00,960
make motion for approval with addition

987
00:45:00,960 --> 00:45:04,240
8.9 motion is there second second motion

988
00:45:04,240 --> 00:45:08,109
a second all in favor raise your right

989
00:45:08,119 --> 00:45:11,640
hand 9.1 resolution approving the

990
00:45:11,640 --> 00:45:13,280
County's application for grant funding

991
00:45:13,280 --> 00:45:14,960
through the wmpo for the design of

992
00:45:14,960 --> 00:45:17,880
multi-use path along Country Club Drive

993
00:45:17,880 --> 00:45:20,000
Isa Drive Jenkins Road and St John's

994
00:45:20,000 --> 00:45:23,160
Church Road in Hamstead Mr

995
00:45:23,160 --> 00:45:25,960
Moore good afternoon Mr chair members of

996
00:45:25,960 --> 00:45:27,599
the board again

997
00:45:27,599 --> 00:45:31,520
um so I have the pleasure to be able to

998
00:45:31,520 --> 00:45:36,200
um request a uh consideration of a

999
00:45:36,200 --> 00:45:39,000
couple of resolutions that uh the

1000
00:45:39,000 --> 00:45:40,880
planning department is is asking for

1001
00:45:40,880 --> 00:45:43,000
we're seeking grant funding from two

1002
00:45:43,000 --> 00:45:46,680
different grants for the same uh project

1003
00:45:46,680 --> 00:45:50,359
and that project is a multi-use path uh

1004
00:45:50,359 --> 00:45:53,440
that would run from the intersection of

1005
00:45:53,440 --> 00:45:55,839
Country Club Drive and Sloop Point Loop

1006
00:45:55,839 --> 00:45:59,040
Road uh also intersecting with the

1007
00:45:59,040 --> 00:46:01,960
existing uh multiuse path between hsed

1008
00:46:01,960 --> 00:46:04,960
kuas Park and North topsil Elementary it

1009
00:46:04,960 --> 00:46:07,040
would run all the way up Country Club

1010
00:46:07,040 --> 00:46:09,839
Drive to um

1011
00:46:09,839 --> 00:46:14,599
us7 cross over us7 and continue up

1012
00:46:14,599 --> 00:46:17,880
Jenkins and uh North St John's Church

1013
00:46:17,880 --> 00:46:20,559
Road to the the combined school campuses

1014
00:46:20,559 --> 00:46:23,040
there at topsil High School uh also

1015
00:46:23,040 --> 00:46:25,920
there would be a connector along a Zia

1016
00:46:25,920 --> 00:46:28,720
drive to the the existing path that that

1017
00:46:28,720 --> 00:46:31,359
connects in um not quite at the

1018
00:46:31,359 --> 00:46:33,119
intersection of Country Club Drive there

1019
00:46:33,119 --> 00:46:36,559
so that is the the uh project that we're

1020
00:46:36,559 --> 00:46:38,839
seeking to move forward with uh with

1021
00:46:38,839 --> 00:46:43,160
y'all's blessing and um this it project

1022
00:46:43,160 --> 00:46:45,880
came from a feasibility study it's the

1023
00:46:45,880 --> 00:46:48,240
East Coast Greenway the nc210 East Coast

1024
00:46:48,240 --> 00:46:49,920
Greenway feasibility study which was

1025
00:46:49,920 --> 00:46:53,280
completed last year and adopted by uh

1026
00:46:53,280 --> 00:46:57,319
the board earlier this year um we're

1027
00:46:57,319 --> 00:47:00,880
seeking um adoption or approval of of

1028
00:47:00,880 --> 00:47:04,440
two resolutions for those two grants and

1029
00:47:04,440 --> 00:47:06,559
the two grants one is through the

1030
00:47:06,559 --> 00:47:08,440
Wilmington Metropolitan planning

1031
00:47:08,440 --> 00:47:10,599
organization uh it's using Federal

1032
00:47:10,599 --> 00:47:15,559
monies for that it's an 820 match so 80%

1033
00:47:15,559 --> 00:47:21,720
with those Federal monies 20% uh with a local match now the exciting part is

1034
00:47:21,720 --> 00:47:25,160
that we're also uh applying for uh a

1035
00:47:25,160 --> 00:47:27,520
second Grant through the state Parks and

1036
00:47:27,520 --> 00:47:30,200
Recreation division uh for it's a It's

1037
00:47:30,200 --> 00:47:33,400
called The Great Trail State program and

1038
00:47:33,400 --> 00:47:35,359
uh that would potentially you know if we

1039
00:47:35,359 --> 00:47:36,839
got both those grants that would cover

1040
00:47:36,839 --> 00:47:37,520
the

1041
00:47:37,520 --> 00:47:40,680
20% that would remain from that 80%

1042
00:47:40,680 --> 00:47:45,040
match um so ask yall support and and see

1043
00:47:45,040 --> 00:47:50,109
if you had any questions about those

1044
00:47:50,119 --> 00:47:52,800
resolutions there any questions

1045
00:47:52,800 --> 00:47:58,160
comments and if we didn't get the um

1046
00:47:58,160 --> 00:48:00,680
second grant that you were speaking of

1047
00:48:00,680 --> 00:48:04,800
the 20% matching portion to the county

1048
00:48:04,800 --> 00:48:06,280
would be

1049
00:48:06,280 --> 00:48:08,440
$168,000 yes ma'am when would

1050
00:48:08,440 --> 00:48:12,800
construction of this pathway take place

1051
00:48:12,800 --> 00:48:15,640
yes ma'am uh so that would be after

1052
00:48:15,640 --> 00:48:18,119
sorry this is the for the design phase

1053
00:48:18,119 --> 00:48:20,920
and is projected that the design phase

1054
00:48:20,920 --> 00:48:23,520
would last two years and so there would

1055
00:48:23,520 --> 00:48:25,280
uh the county would need to seek more

1056
00:48:25,280 --> 00:48:27,520
grant funding or or find funding for the

1057
00:48:27,520 --> 00:48:33,240
construction so at least 2 years from now is uh when construction would

1058
00:48:33,240 --> 00:48:37,520
start so we don't know how much this is

1059
00:48:37,520 --> 00:48:40,880
going to cost this is just the design

1060
00:48:40,880 --> 00:48:43,280
phase uh yes ma'am this is the design

1061
00:48:43,280 --> 00:48:46,119
phase the projected cost um from the

1062
00:48:46,119 --> 00:48:49,480
feasibility study as um for these

1063
00:48:49,480 --> 00:48:53,240
sections is uh $1 million I

1064
00:48:53,240 --> 00:48:59,109
believe yes

1065
00:48:59,119 --> 00:49:00,960
and we don't know when construction

1066
00:49:00,960 --> 00:49:04,160
would be if the construction would be

1067
00:49:04,160 --> 00:49:06,880
after completion of the

1068
00:49:06,880 --> 00:49:10,079
bypass uh it would be at least two years

1069
00:49:10,079 --> 00:49:12,520
out uh the federal money requires that

1070
00:49:12,520 --> 00:49:15,280
it be completed uh before 10

1071
00:49:15,280 --> 00:49:17,599
years so there's a little bit of a

1072
00:49:17,599 --> 00:49:23,109
window there yes

1073
00:49:23,119 --> 00:49:25,920
ma'am so these paths are crossing all

1074
00:49:25,920 --> 00:49:28,359
over New County now and a lot of those

1075
00:49:28,359 --> 00:49:31,160
the do have has come back and help fund

1076
00:49:31,160 --> 00:49:34,079
or funded part of so hopefully that is

1077
00:49:34,079 --> 00:49:36,079
the intent here that we'll get some of

1078
00:49:36,079 --> 00:49:39,680
that the the multi-use path along SL

1079
00:49:39,680 --> 00:49:40,799
Point Loop

1080
00:49:40,799 --> 00:49:45,839
from um Country Club to North topsel was

1081
00:49:45,839 --> 00:49:48,040
a state funded

1082
00:49:48,040 --> 00:49:50,960
um pathway I think the only thing the

1083
00:49:50,960 --> 00:49:52,680
county has had to do was take ownership

1084
00:49:52,680 --> 00:49:54,400
of it as far as maintenance cut cutting

1085
00:49:54,400 --> 00:49:56,839
the grass

1086
00:49:56,839 --> 00:49:58,720
yes sir the area they're talking about

1087
00:49:58,720 --> 00:50:02,240
putting this is a well-traveled area

1088
00:50:02,240 --> 00:50:03,680
it's very busy with people trying to

1089
00:50:03,680 --> 00:50:06,040
ride bikes back and forth to the park

1090
00:50:06,040 --> 00:50:09,240
and walking through the park and and

1091
00:50:09,240 --> 00:50:11,799
trying to get to the golf courses and it

1092
00:50:11,799 --> 00:50:13,680
would take some of the traffic off and

1093
00:50:13,680 --> 00:50:15,640
there's also a planned subdivision of

1094
00:50:15,640 --> 00:50:18,520
1100 homes that would that attaches to

1095
00:50:18,520 --> 00:50:21,920
this walking trail so hopefully you know

1096
00:50:21,920 --> 00:50:25,000
we can um leverage some of that with the

1097
00:50:25,000 --> 00:50:27,400
approval of that you know that's

1098
00:50:27,400 --> 00:50:29,920
where they they get a portion of the of

1099
00:50:29,920 --> 00:50:31,920
their 300 and some Acres there they can

1100
00:50:31,920 --> 00:50:34,000
front with some help us pay for part of

1101
00:50:34,000 --> 00:50:36,280
it and their

1102
00:50:36,280 --> 00:50:38,000
construction is there any other

1103
00:50:38,000 --> 00:50:40,040
questions or

1104
00:50:40,040 --> 00:50:44,670
comments if not is there a

1105
00:50:44,680 --> 00:50:48,920
motion I I I just want to make a comment

1106
00:50:48,920 --> 00:50:53,000
um this is this is uh something that we

1107
00:50:53,000 --> 00:50:56,640
had looked at uh with the bypass uh

1108
00:50:56,640 --> 00:50:59,200
several years ago when this opportunity

1109
00:50:59,200 --> 00:51:03,000
came up for funding uh for a sidewalk

1110
00:51:03,000 --> 00:51:11,160
along that area through that area um I'm just concerned about on its face

1111
00:51:11,160 --> 00:51:14,680
it's not very transparent or clear to me

1112
00:51:14,680 --> 00:51:17,559
the total cost of this project and with

1113
00:51:17,559 --> 00:51:19,040
the other

1114
00:51:19,040 --> 00:51:21,319
construction projects that we've got

1115
00:51:21,319 --> 00:51:23,280
going on in this County and the

1116
00:51:23,280 --> 00:51:26,359
uncertainty of when the bypass is going

1117
00:51:26,359 --> 00:51:30,280
to be completed I I'm I'm I'm just

1118
00:51:30,280 --> 00:51:33,839
concerned about it um given that the

1119
00:51:33,839 --> 00:51:36,400
design phase if if we have a second

1120
00:51:36,400 --> 00:51:38,599
Grant to cover the

1121
00:51:38,599 --> 00:51:40,599
168,000 then it's going to be a

1122
00:51:40,599 --> 00:51:44,319
considerably lot more money for the

1123
00:51:44,319 --> 00:51:48,160
actual construction and again it needs

1124
00:51:48,160 --> 00:51:50,720
to happen I understand that it needs to

1125
00:51:50,720 --> 00:51:53,760
happen but my concern with this is lack

1126
00:51:53,760 --> 00:51:56,720
of transparency with regards to full

1127
00:51:56,720 --> 00:51:59,400
cost of the project and things change

1128
00:51:59,400 --> 00:52:03,920
with regards State funding um so that's

1129
00:52:03,920 --> 00:52:05,400
those are my comments that's what

1130
00:52:05,400 --> 00:52:06,760
happened on the sidewalk I think didn't

1131
00:52:06,760 --> 00:52:09,119
they change their funding so the the

1132
00:52:09,119 --> 00:52:12,400
sidewalk the multi- use pass on the

1133
00:52:12,400 --> 00:52:15,480
sidewalk that that project has been

1134
00:52:15,480 --> 00:52:17,880
funded from Washington Acres Drive not

1135
00:52:17,880 --> 00:52:23,720
just the sidewalk part of that but the median project which encompasses a

1136
00:52:23,720 --> 00:52:25,400
multi-use trail on each side of Highway

1137
00:52:25,400 --> 00:52:27,000
17

1138
00:52:27,000 --> 00:52:29,400
has been funded prioritized as the

1139
00:52:29,400 --> 00:52:31,799
number one priority and funded with no

1140
00:52:31,799 --> 00:52:33,440
matching with no matching with no

1141
00:52:33,440 --> 00:52:35,799
matching right from the do starting in

1142
00:52:35,799 --> 00:52:38,480
2031 which is supposed to be immediately

1143
00:52:38,480 --> 00:52:41,200
after the bypass opens in

1144
00:52:41,200 --> 00:52:44,960
2030 um so again would it be prudent for

1145
00:52:44,960 --> 00:52:49,480
us to wait and hope that do could then

1146
00:52:49,480 --> 00:52:52,760
also fund this other section that will

1147
00:52:52,760 --> 00:52:55,119
connect those I don't know that without

1148
00:52:55,119 --> 00:52:57,440
the uncertainty of the financing and the

1149
00:52:57,440 --> 00:53:01,720
matching grants and the 11 million price

1150
00:53:01,720 --> 00:53:05,000
tag that you had just referenced do do

1151
00:53:05,000 --> 00:53:06,920
you see what I'm saying I do but I don't

1152
00:53:06,920 --> 00:53:11,880
know that waiting is going to offer that

1153
00:53:11,880 --> 00:53:14,760
as we've seen with the DHS h building

1154
00:53:14,760 --> 00:53:16,880
and the the law enforcement center and

1155
00:53:16,880 --> 00:53:20,359
the school uh bond issue the longer you

1156
00:53:20,359 --> 00:53:25,160
wait the more it cost so yes we can wait

1157
00:53:25,160 --> 00:53:27,040
and and

1158
00:53:27,040 --> 00:53:30,200
two years and it's $44 million instead

1159
00:53:30,200 --> 00:53:31,880
of 11 I mean that's just the way things

1160
00:53:31,880 --> 00:53:34,839
have has has progressed here lately and

1161
00:53:34,839 --> 00:53:42,680
I don't see any relief in in sight for escalating construction costs

1162
00:53:42,680 --> 00:53:45,359
um that is going to have to be I'm

1163
00:53:45,359 --> 00:53:46,359
assuming there's going to have to be

1164
00:53:46,359 --> 00:53:48,839
right aways purchased the property

1165
00:53:48,839 --> 00:53:50,680
values in that area that this would

1166
00:53:50,680 --> 00:53:54,280
propose for they're not coming down

1167
00:53:54,280 --> 00:53:56,839
they're they're constantly inreasing at

1168
00:53:56,839 --> 00:53:59,680
a rapid rapid pace so I don't see that

1169
00:53:59,680 --> 00:54:01,839
we would benefit by waiting but that's

1170
00:54:01,839 --> 00:54:04,760
just I can't make a motion or so that's

1171
00:54:04,760 --> 00:54:07,480
just my opinion on the project but this

1172
00:54:07,480 --> 00:54:10,000
tonight is not the $1 million for

1173
00:54:10,000 --> 00:54:12,040
construction no no this is for the

1174
00:54:12,040 --> 00:54:16,319
design phase which could at

1175
00:54:16,319 --> 00:54:20,000
$168,000 I'm sorry sir right that's 20%

1176
00:54:20,000 --> 00:54:23,680
cost count GRS right if we don't get the

1177
00:54:23,680 --> 00:54:27,839
second Grant to cover m our 20% on the

1178
00:54:27,839 --> 00:54:31,160
first grad gotcha okay my concern is how

1179
00:54:31,160 --> 00:54:34,990
much of a bill we going to be left

1180
00:54:35,000 --> 00:54:38,520
with I know it's really needed the do

1181
00:54:38,520 --> 00:54:41,240
would they buy the rway the do would

1182
00:54:41,240 --> 00:54:43,920
actually buy the rway I I'm not sure of

1183
00:54:43,920 --> 00:54:46,599
how RightWay acquis acquisition um you

1184
00:54:46,599 --> 00:54:48,640
know goes down legally or or that sort

1185
00:54:48,640 --> 00:54:51,680
of thing maybe Mr Thurman chime in on

1186
00:54:51,680 --> 00:54:54,440
RightWay acquisition I'm not an expert

1187
00:54:54,440 --> 00:54:57,000
on that I'm sorry we got a lot on the

1188
00:54:57,000 --> 00:54:59,359
back burer I think all these

1189
00:54:59,359 --> 00:55:00,880
construction jobs

1190
00:55:00,880 --> 00:55:03,960
con I w't be here in a few months and

1191
00:55:03,960 --> 00:55:07,599
neither well I so maybe bring it back no

1192
00:55:07,599 --> 00:55:09,160
I don't agree with bringing it back I

1193
00:55:09,160 --> 00:55:11,520
mean the reason Wards and some of the

1194
00:55:11,520 --> 00:55:13,359
shap is in now because everything got

1195
00:55:13,359 --> 00:55:15,160
put off to the new board got here and

1196
00:55:15,160 --> 00:55:17,680
now the new board that's here is having

1197
00:55:17,680 --> 00:55:19,559
to pick up where the old board left off

1198
00:55:19,559 --> 00:55:21,000
and I don't think it's fair for a new

1199
00:55:21,000 --> 00:55:23,240
board to have to come in if this is

1200
00:55:23,240 --> 00:55:24,359
something that needs to be done now need

1201
00:55:24,359 --> 00:55:25,720
to be done now doesn't need to be kicked

1202
00:55:25,720 --> 00:55:27,559
down the road and then later if it needs

1203
00:55:27,559 --> 00:55:28,799
to be voted down now it needs to be

1204
00:55:28,799 --> 00:55:31,480
voted down and I agree with you 100% on

1205
00:55:31,480 --> 00:55:34,039
that um and this is not a heel that I'm

1206
00:55:34,039 --> 00:55:37,720
ready to down uh because it is something

1207
00:55:37,720 --> 00:55:39,440
that would be beneficial to the

1208
00:55:39,440 --> 00:55:43,839
community and helpful uh for uh traffic

1209
00:55:43,839 --> 00:55:46,319
congestion but again the only thing I'm

1210
00:55:46,319 --> 00:55:49,480
saying is my concern is the lack of

1211
00:55:49,480 --> 00:55:52,440
transparency of the total cost of the

1212
00:55:52,440 --> 00:55:54,200
project so I'm going call the question

1213
00:55:54,200 --> 00:55:59,589
is there a motion to approve or

1214
00:55:59,599 --> 00:56:01,359
hearing none this is doesn't good

1215
00:56:01,359 --> 00:56:05,589
forward thank you sir thank

1216
00:56:05,599 --> 00:56:08,680
you 9.2 legislative goals and

1217
00:56:08,680 --> 00:56:10,839
submissions of such goals to the North

1218
00:56:10,839 --> 00:56:12,319
Carolina Association of County

1219
00:56:12,319 --> 00:56:14,720
Commissioners for

1220
00:56:14,720 --> 00:56:17,280
consideration yes sir chairman George

1221
00:56:17,280 --> 00:56:19,359
the North Carolina Association of County

1222
00:56:19,359 --> 00:56:21,880
Commissioners contacted us requesting we

1223
00:56:21,880 --> 00:56:25,079
submit our 2024 2025 legislative goal

1224
00:56:25,079 --> 00:56:28,039
proposals as part as the criteria for

1225
00:56:28,039 --> 00:56:30,520
goals there are two pieces of criteria

1226
00:56:30,520 --> 00:56:32,880
first changes to statutes or requests

1227
00:56:32,880 --> 00:56:35,599
for funding is one Avenue to go the

1228
00:56:35,599 --> 00:56:37,839
other Avenue to go is must have an

1229
00:56:37,839 --> 00:56:40,520
impact on all 100 counties we have

1230
00:56:40,520 --> 00:56:44,119
compiled five priority goals to submit

1231
00:56:44,119 --> 00:56:45,880
to the North Carolina Association of

1232
00:56:45,880 --> 00:56:48,799
County Commissioners they are as follows

1233
00:56:48,799 --> 00:56:50,960
seek legislation funding and other

1234
00:56:50,960 --> 00:56:53,119
efforts to expand digital infrastructure

1235
00:56:53,119 --> 00:56:55,359
Broadband capability to the unserved and

1236
00:56:55,359 --> 00:56:57,599
under served areas and residents in the

1237
00:56:57,599 --> 00:57:00,720
state the second goal is seek additional

1238
00:57:00,720 --> 00:57:02,839
excuse me Mr maner can we wait just a

1239
00:57:02,839 --> 00:57:05,440
second till these people get out of here

1240
00:57:05,440 --> 00:57:07,990
it's a little

1241
00:57:08,000 --> 00:57:11,440
distracting sorry thank

1242
00:57:11,440 --> 00:57:14,440
you I'll start with first goal

1243
00:57:14,440 --> 00:57:17,640
again seek legislation funding and other

1244
00:57:17,640 --> 00:57:20,000
efforts to expand digital infrastructure

1245
00:57:20,000 --> 00:57:22,880
Broadband capability to the unserved and

1246
00:57:22,880 --> 00:57:24,880
underserved areas and residents of the

1247
00:57:24,880 --> 00:57:27,880
state the second goal is seek additional

1248
00:57:27,880 --> 00:57:30,400
Revenue sources including a Statewide

1249
00:57:30,400 --> 00:57:33,039
wide Bond referendum and expanded

1250
00:57:33,039 --> 00:57:35,440
Lottery proceeds and changes to the

1251
00:57:35,440 --> 00:57:38,160
needs-based public school Capital fund

1252
00:57:38,160 --> 00:57:40,440
to equitably address Statewide Public

1253
00:57:40,440 --> 00:57:42,559
School and Community College Capital

1254
00:57:42,559 --> 00:57:45,680
challenges the third item is support

1255
00:57:45,680 --> 00:57:48,000
legislation to allow counties to include

1256
00:57:48,000 --> 00:57:49,960
specific language on the ballot

1257
00:57:49,960 --> 00:57:52,079
referendum designating how the proposed

1258
00:57:52,079 --> 00:57:54,440
quar Cent local sales tax levy will be

1259
00:57:54,440 --> 00:57:57,599
spent the fourth goal is increased State

1260
00:57:57,599 --> 00:57:59,920
funding and support legislation for

1261
00:57:59,920 --> 00:58:01,559
Behavioral Health Services and

1262
00:58:01,559 --> 00:58:04,559
Facilities including dedicated resources

1263
00:58:04,559 --> 00:58:08,119
for Community param medicine projects

1264
00:58:08,119 --> 00:58:11,240
inpatient crisis beds substance use

1265
00:58:11,240 --> 00:58:13,760
disorders specialty courts individuals

1266
00:58:13,760 --> 00:58:16,039
mental health issues in county jails and

1267
00:58:16,039 --> 00:58:17,880
single stream funding for area

1268
00:58:17,880 --> 00:58:20,240
authorities and the last goal that is

1269
00:58:20,240 --> 00:58:22,599
being proposed is oppos efforts to

1270
00:58:22,599 --> 00:58:25,200
divert to the state fees or taxes

1271
00:58:25,200 --> 00:58:28,400
currently all to the counties or to erod

1272
00:58:28,400 --> 00:58:30,680
existing County revenue streams with

1273
00:58:30,680 --> 00:58:32,920
unfunded

1274
00:58:32,920 --> 00:58:36,319
mandates um M Mr chairman I'd like to

1275
00:58:36,319 --> 00:58:42,760
make a comment um under item two uh the

1276
00:58:42,760 --> 00:58:46,000
paragraph appears to address uh

1277
00:58:46,000 --> 00:58:48,920
Statewide Revenue sources including Bond

1278
00:58:48,920 --> 00:58:52,039
referendums and Lottery proceeds that

1279
00:58:52,039 --> 00:58:55,520
would benefit um the education system

1280
00:58:55,520 --> 00:58:57,920
community based colleges and

1281
00:58:57,920 --> 00:59:01,559
somewhat and under the subsections under

1282
00:59:01,559 --> 00:59:04,079
that the second one reducing or

1283
00:59:04,079 --> 00:59:07,480
eliminating local match requirement for

1284
00:59:07,480 --> 00:59:11,160
tier one and tier 2 counties

1285
00:59:11,160 --> 00:59:14,880
um I think it would be

1286
00:59:14,880 --> 00:59:19,240
important for us to address issues

1287
00:59:19,240 --> 00:59:22,599
pertaining to tier one and how tier one

1288
00:59:22,599 --> 00:59:26,799
and tier 2 counties are determined

1289
00:59:26,799 --> 00:59:29,400
because whether you're a tier one or a

1290
00:59:29,400 --> 00:59:33,839
tier 2 County uh is is uh very much a

1291
00:59:33,839 --> 00:59:37,400
deciding factor as to what assistance

1292
00:59:37,400 --> 00:59:42,079
our um citizens are able to get and our

1293
00:59:42,079 --> 00:59:45,599
local governments are able to acquire I

1294
00:59:45,599 --> 00:59:50,319
think that tier one tier 2 uh

1295
00:59:50,319 --> 00:59:55,000
designation uh should be a a standalone

1296
00:59:55,000 --> 00:59:57,760
issue as it has been since I've been on

1297
00:59:57,760 --> 01:00:01,280
the board for 2016 for the lobbyist at

1298
01:00:01,280 --> 01:00:03,480
the North Carolina ass County

1299
01:00:03,480 --> 01:00:06,359
Commissioners to continue pushing for a

1300
01:00:06,359 --> 01:00:09,359
more Equitable and fair assessment of

1301
01:00:09,359 --> 01:00:11,480
what constitutes a tier one and tier 2

1302
01:00:11,480 --> 01:00:15,000
County for the purposes of of uh funding

1303
01:00:15,000 --> 01:00:16,839
uh grant funding and things of that

1304
01:00:16,839 --> 01:00:19,000
nature we can certainly break that out

1305
01:00:19,000 --> 01:00:21,200
as a separate goal I agree I think they

1306
01:00:21,200 --> 01:00:23,160
that committee started back this was

1307
01:00:23,160 --> 01:00:26,599
approved to start back reviewing that

1308
01:00:26,599 --> 01:00:28,319
and I think it's very important that we

1309
01:00:28,319 --> 01:00:30,720
join our our fellow counties in

1310
01:00:30,720 --> 01:00:37,710
emphasizing that as a

1311
01:00:37,720 --> 01:00:39,640
concern does the board have any

1312
01:00:39,640 --> 01:00:42,520
additional feedback on these

1313
01:00:42,520 --> 01:00:44,960
priorities I think otherwise they look

1314
01:00:44,960 --> 01:00:47,319
good sounds good to

1315
01:00:47,319 --> 01:00:49,839
me well we can plan on submitting these

1316
01:00:49,839 --> 01:00:52,720
priorities and have the item reducing or

1317
01:00:52,720 --> 01:00:54,680
eliminating local mat requirements tier

1318
01:00:54,680 --> 01:00:58,000
one broken out as a separate go thank

1319
01:00:58,000 --> 01:00:59,240
you

1320
01:00:59,240 --> 01:01:01,520
sir and there the deadline is what

1321
01:01:01,520 --> 01:01:05,190
Friday yes

1322
01:01:05,200 --> 01:01:07,640
sir is there a motion to approve with

1323
01:01:07,640 --> 01:01:09,119
the requested

1324
01:01:09,119 --> 01:01:11,680
change motion to approve is there a

1325
01:01:11,680 --> 01:01:15,680
second second I want fa raise your right

1326
01:01:15,680 --> 01:01:19,069
hand thank

1327
01:01:19,079 --> 01:01:22,119
you approval of resolution providing the

1328
01:01:22,119 --> 01:01:23,880
final approval of terms and documents

1329
01:01:23,880 --> 01:01:24,920
for the

1330
01:01:24,920 --> 01:01:31,559
DHS DHHS facility financing Miss

1331
01:01:31,559 --> 01:01:34,920
blue good evening chair and Board of

1332
01:01:34,920 --> 01:01:37,039
Commissioners uh I'm Meg blue pen County

1333
01:01:37,039 --> 01:01:39,039
finance director for those of you who

1334
01:01:39,039 --> 01:01:41,680
don't know um this is a follow-up item

1335
01:01:41,680 --> 01:01:43,680
from the public hearing and the initial

1336
01:01:43,680 --> 01:01:46,520
approval that we had at the last meeting

1337
01:01:46,520 --> 01:01:48,680
uh this is just the final approval of

1338
01:01:48,680 --> 01:01:51,720
the form of the documents and that are

1339
01:01:51,720 --> 01:01:54,640
to be signed as part of this transaction

1340
01:01:54,640 --> 01:01:57,839
um once approved approved by all the

1341
01:01:57,839 --> 01:02:01,440
various agencies as

1342
01:02:01,440 --> 01:02:03,559
necessary for the Department of Health

1343
01:02:03,559 --> 01:02:06,990
and Human Services

1344
01:02:07,000 --> 01:02:09,359
facility is there any

1345
01:02:09,359 --> 01:02:11,559
questions I'm assuming that's why Mr

1346
01:02:11,559 --> 01:02:13,720
Jess has joined us again tonight yes he

1347
01:02:13,720 --> 01:02:15,279
wants to make sure we get it done so

1348
01:02:15,279 --> 01:02:17,160
I'll make a motion to

1349
01:02:17,160 --> 01:02:20,640
approve he's fidgeting is there a

1350
01:02:20,640 --> 01:02:23,279
second in favor raise your right

1351
01:02:23,279 --> 01:02:25,960
hand thank you he also had to get a lot

1352
01:02:25,960 --> 01:02:27,880
of John Hancock's before this meeting

1353
01:02:27,880 --> 01:02:30,279
for the law enforcement center so we're

1354
01:02:30,279 --> 01:02:33,319
moving right along with all the things

1355
01:02:33,319 --> 01:02:34,880
and approval of a budget and contract

1356
01:02:34,880 --> 01:02:36,599
amendment to purchase order increase for

1357
01:02:36,599 --> 01:02:40,559
Bob for the construction of the DHS HS

1358
01:02:40,559 --> 01:02:44,160
facility project yes so um initially we

1359
01:02:44,160 --> 01:02:46,520
approved this is a this was done as a

1360
01:02:46,520 --> 01:02:49,400
design build project um initially bobit

1361
01:02:49,400 --> 01:02:51,480
was awarded the design build contract

1362
01:02:51,480 --> 01:02:55,160
only the design portion has been

1363
01:02:55,160 --> 01:02:58,599
contracted thus far um at this point

1364
01:02:58,599 --> 01:03:03,440
we'll increase it to include the um GMP

1365
01:03:03,440 --> 01:03:06,079
and increase the purchase order and make

1366
01:03:06,079 --> 01:03:08,559
the necessary budget transfers which is

1367
01:03:08,559 --> 01:03:11,359
what the attached documentation

1368
01:03:11,359 --> 01:03:13,640
does is there any questions for Miss

1369
01:03:13,640 --> 01:03:17,400
blue I have a question M blue sure

1370
01:03:17,400 --> 01:03:22,799
um page two there the U site development

1371
01:03:22,799 --> 01:03:24,200
construction

1372
01:03:24,200 --> 01:03:26,279
notes so this is the new health

1373
01:03:26,279 --> 01:03:28,880
department building yes for the county

1374
01:03:28,880 --> 01:03:31,240
of tender and the citizens um it's

1375
01:03:31,240 --> 01:03:34,920
health and DSs and DSs for so it's and

1376
01:03:34,920 --> 01:03:37,400
that I'm good with that and it's much

1377
01:03:37,400 --> 01:03:39,760
needed I just got a question if it it

1378
01:03:39,760 --> 01:03:40,760
may be

1379
01:03:40,760 --> 01:03:45,470
me permits and application fees

1380
01:03:45,480 --> 01:03:49,200
$234,000 and then permit review comments

1381
01:03:49,200 --> 01:03:53,200
$250,000 that's $480

1382
01:03:53,200 --> 01:03:55,799
some, that the citizens are going to pay

1383
01:03:55,799 --> 01:03:58,279
to the citizens um I can't speak

1384
01:03:58,279 --> 01:04:00,039
specifically to which permits they are

1385
01:04:00,039 --> 01:04:02,880
but I think a lot of them are paid to

1386
01:04:02,880 --> 01:04:05,599
correct me if I'm wrong DEQ and those

1387
01:04:05,599 --> 01:04:08,760
kinds of permits as well as the town of

1388
01:04:08,760 --> 01:04:11,599
bergo okay we

1389
01:04:11,599 --> 01:04:13,880
wouldn't it wouldn't be them paying

1390
01:04:13,880 --> 01:04:16,559
Pender County for that purpose so that

1391
01:04:16,559 --> 01:04:19,160
none of that will go to the county

1392
01:04:19,160 --> 01:04:21,240
because that'd be like pay in yourself

1393
01:04:21,240 --> 01:04:24,079
right no no okay so you you're helping

1394
01:04:24,079 --> 01:04:26,319
me I mean that's sorry I see that I'm

1395
01:04:26,319 --> 01:04:28,119
like permit yeah and I don't want to

1396
01:04:28,119 --> 01:04:30,559
speak out of turn but I do believe that

1397
01:04:30,559 --> 01:04:32,640
sorry um Andy spe with bobit is in the

1398
01:04:32,640 --> 01:04:34,480
back and he's giving between burall and

1399
01:04:34,480 --> 01:04:36,079
the state it's going to be

1400
01:04:36,079 --> 01:04:43,319
$480,000 in permits in fee okay just wanted to get it out there all

1401
01:04:43,319 --> 01:04:44,119
right

1402
01:04:44,119 --> 01:04:46,240
sure and it'll be the same when we build

1403
01:04:46,240 --> 01:04:48,160
a law enforcement center because it's

1404
01:04:48,160 --> 01:04:52,430
also in the town of burgo yes

1405
01:04:52,440 --> 01:04:55,000
okay any other questions or comments if

1406
01:04:55,000 --> 01:04:57,319
not is there a motion to approve motion

1407
01:04:57,319 --> 01:05:00,799
to approve is there a second second

1408
01:05:00,799 --> 01:05:06,069
those in favor Raise Your Right

1409
01:05:06,079 --> 01:05:08,760
handos discussion there's no items on

1410
01:05:08,760 --> 01:05:12,279
the discussion 11.1 thank you Miss BL

1411
01:05:12,279 --> 01:05:13,200
thank you

1412
01:05:13,200 --> 01:05:16,960
m reappoints to noer Memorial Hospital

1413
01:05:16,960 --> 01:05:18,760
thank you Mr

1414
01:05:18,760 --> 01:05:22,319
Jess sir trip back thank you for taking

1415
01:05:22,319 --> 01:05:27,510
care of us

1416
01:05:27,520 --> 01:05:29,640
all right for item

1417
01:05:29,640 --> 01:05:33,160
11.1 Denise hton and Myra McDuffy are

1418
01:05:33,160 --> 01:05:35,440
both currently serving on the noon pener

1419
01:05:35,440 --> 01:05:38,000
Memorial Hospital board uh the

1420
01:05:38,000 --> 01:05:40,000
chairwoman of that board reached out to

1421
01:05:40,000 --> 01:05:43,039
me asking that we bring the uh

1422
01:05:43,039 --> 01:05:46,319
appointments to the board before October

1423
01:05:46,319 --> 01:05:47,279
um

1424
01:05:47,279 --> 01:05:49,680
October's uh when their next meeting

1425
01:05:49,680 --> 01:05:52,319
would be a reset for them uh Miss Denise

1426
01:05:52,319 --> 01:05:53,960
hton is currently serving as District

1427
01:05:53,960 --> 01:05:56,359
1's representative she's applied for

1428
01:05:56,359 --> 01:05:58,119
reappointment and is recommended by the

1429
01:05:58,119 --> 01:06:01,599
chair of the hospital board to uh be

1430
01:06:01,599 --> 01:06:03,359
reappointed she has a long-standing

1431
01:06:03,359 --> 01:06:04,960
history in the health field she's

1432
01:06:04,960 --> 01:06:06,279
experienced working in the regional

1433
01:06:06,279 --> 01:06:08,039
health education consult for NC

1434
01:06:08,039 --> 01:06:10,000
Department of Health and Human Services

1435
01:06:10,000 --> 01:06:11,760
the health promotions director for new

1436
01:06:11,760 --> 01:06:12,960
County's Health Department and the

1437
01:06:12,960 --> 01:06:14,400
executive director of the American

1438
01:06:14,400 --> 01:06:15,760
Cancer

1439
01:06:15,760 --> 01:06:18,760
Society uh Miss Myra McDuffy is also

1440
01:06:18,760 --> 01:06:21,240
currently serving as the District 5

1441
01:06:21,240 --> 01:06:23,559
member uh she's applied fore appointment

1442
01:06:23,559 --> 01:06:26,599
and is also recommended by their chair

1443
01:06:26,599 --> 01:06:28,960
uh she is the respiratory therapist at

1444
01:06:28,960 --> 01:06:30,880
downstate Medical Center she's been the

1445
01:06:30,880 --> 01:06:33,240
assistant director of the business sorry

1446
01:06:33,240 --> 01:06:36,640
excuse me um previously she was the

1447
01:06:36,640 --> 01:06:38,000
respiratory therapist at downstate

1448
01:06:38,000 --> 01:06:40,160
Medical Center the assistant director of

1449
01:06:40,160 --> 01:06:41,720
respiratory at Vanderbilt Skilled

1450
01:06:41,720 --> 01:06:43,400
Nursing Facility and she's now the owner

1451
01:06:43,400 --> 01:06:45,039
of our local business

1452
01:06:45,039 --> 01:06:48,520
mimos um Chicken and Rib she served on

1453
01:06:48,520 --> 01:06:50,200
numerous boards as well such as the

1454
01:06:50,200 --> 01:06:52,200
burga tourism Development Authority and

1455
01:06:52,200 --> 01:06:54,799
the burga Chamber of Commerce um for

1456
01:06:54,799 --> 01:06:56,880
both of these applicants their terms

1457
01:06:56,880 --> 01:07:00,160
would uh begin January 1st 2025 and

1458
01:07:00,160 --> 01:07:03,279
expire December 31st

1459
01:07:03,279 --> 01:07:07,160
2028 I uh currently serve on this board

1460
01:07:07,160 --> 01:07:10,440
um and uh miss hton and miss McDuffy

1461
01:07:10,440 --> 01:07:14,680
both have been a asset uh and and in

1462
01:07:14,680 --> 01:07:17,039
fact our Pender Count's

1463
01:07:17,039 --> 01:07:20,559
designes uh and I would recommend them

1464
01:07:20,559 --> 01:07:21,720
uh for

1465
01:07:21,720 --> 01:07:24,279
reappointment uh

1466
01:07:24,279 --> 01:07:26,680
unequivocally um and I have a question

1467
01:07:26,680 --> 01:07:28,000
for our

1468
01:07:28,000 --> 01:07:30,760
manager

1469
01:07:30,760 --> 01:07:35,480
did the chair of this board indicate to

1470
01:07:35,480 --> 01:07:41,640
you that they had um Novant designes

1471
01:07:41,640 --> 01:07:46,319
that they wish to run by uh this board

1472
01:07:46,319 --> 01:07:49,000
for reappointment as well I did receive

1473
01:07:49,000 --> 01:07:51,720
an email regarding these two two

1474
01:07:51,720 --> 01:07:55,279
applicants just these two yes okay now

1475
01:07:55,279 --> 01:07:57,760
these of the Pender designes did was

1476
01:07:57,760 --> 01:07:59,799
there any discussion about the novon

1477
01:07:59,799 --> 01:08:02,319
designes members of the board I did not

1478
01:08:02,319 --> 01:08:05,039
have any okay I I'll follow up with that

1479
01:08:05,039 --> 01:08:06,960
but I I would recommend these two ladies

1480
01:08:06,960 --> 01:08:09,680
be reappointed

1481
01:08:09,680 --> 01:08:11,880
wholeheartedly a second a favor raise

1482
01:08:11,880 --> 01:08:12,920
your right

1483
01:08:12,920 --> 01:08:15,520
hand thank you board

1484
01:08:15,520 --> 01:08:19,040
members there is nothing for the water

1485
01:08:19,040 --> 01:08:21,480
districts but I know moris moris Creek

1486
01:08:21,480 --> 01:08:24,159
had water and sewer supposed to have

1487
01:08:24,159 --> 01:08:26,520
something there yes sir I will

1488
01:08:26,520 --> 01:08:28,600
appreciate if uh we can open the mors

1489
01:08:28,600 --> 01:08:31,440
creek water and SE District we are now

1490
01:08:31,440 --> 01:08:34,319
open as mors Creek Water and SE District

1491
01:08:34,319 --> 01:08:36,000
so my name is Anthony colon I'm the

1492
01:08:36,000 --> 01:08:38,400
executive director of uh Pender County

1493
01:08:38,400 --> 01:08:41,000
Utilities as you all know we're working

1494
01:08:41,000 --> 01:08:46,000
on a um cdbg which is a Community

1495
01:08:46,000 --> 01:08:48,640
Development block grant uh for the

1496
01:08:48,640 --> 01:08:51,279
installation of water lines in the 421

1497
01:08:51,279 --> 01:08:54,120
corridors around the Columbia Union

1498
01:08:54,120 --> 01:08:57,480
district um so my deputy director Mr

1499
01:08:57,480 --> 01:08:59,839
James bror and myself will be holding a

1500
01:08:59,839 --> 01:09:01,799
public meeting at the Pender Le School

1501
01:09:01,799 --> 01:09:04,199
auditorium to assist the citizens of

1502
01:09:04,199 --> 01:09:06,640
Columbia Union around the Highway 421

1503
01:09:06,640 --> 01:09:09,560
Corridor uh to fill out an income survey

1504
01:09:09,560 --> 01:09:12,000
form which is a requirement uh for the

1505
01:09:12,000 --> 01:09:14,359
Community Development blood Grant uh

1506
01:09:14,359 --> 01:09:16,600
this is the application that is due on

1507
01:09:16,600 --> 01:09:18,560
September the 30th so we're moving

1508
01:09:18,560 --> 01:09:21,000
forward quite fast uh part of the

1509
01:09:21,000 --> 01:09:22,560
requirement was the public hearings

1510
01:09:22,560 --> 01:09:25,080
which we already uh perform now we're

1511
01:09:25,080 --> 01:09:25,920
doing

1512
01:09:25,920 --> 01:09:29,199
uh the um income survey and uh on our

1513
01:09:29,199 --> 01:09:30,560
next board meeting I will have some

1514
01:09:30,560 --> 01:09:32,920
forms for the chairman of the board to

1515
01:09:32,920 --> 01:09:35,640
sign uh and we'll have all this put

1516
01:09:35,640 --> 01:09:38,839
together on a package we'll send it out

1517
01:09:38,839 --> 01:09:40,719
and uh we'll at that moment we'll wait

1518
01:09:40,719 --> 01:09:44,120
to see uh what the state will uh allow

1519
01:09:44,120 --> 01:09:47,560
us to to receive the cap is $3 million

1520
01:09:47,560 --> 01:09:49,199
and we're looking forward to get that

1521
01:09:49,199 --> 01:09:53,400
money um so this meeting uh will be held

1522
01:09:53,400 --> 01:09:56,120
uh this upcoming Monday

1523
01:09:56,120 --> 01:09:58,679
we will be at the Pender Lee is that the

1524
01:09:58,679 --> 01:10:01,360
26th that is Monday the 26th yes ma'am

1525
01:10:01,360 --> 01:10:04,520
August Monday the 26th uh Mr James bror

1526
01:10:04,520 --> 01:10:05,800
and myself we're going to be at the

1527
01:10:05,800 --> 01:10:09,320
Pender Pender Le School uh Auditorium

1528
01:10:09,320 --> 01:10:12,679
from 12:00 pm till 7 pm. and that's for

1529
01:10:12,679 --> 01:10:15,159
all the citizens in that area uh Miss

1530
01:10:15,159 --> 01:10:16,520
Highfield you can go ahead and tell

1531
01:10:16,520 --> 01:10:18,760
everybody I will get with me uh Samantha

1532
01:10:18,760 --> 01:10:22,199
Jones as well uh I will also have I have

1533
01:10:22,199 --> 01:10:24,800
a list of everybody's telephone numbers

1534
01:10:24,800 --> 01:10:26,800
so we will be be sending uh telephone

1535
01:10:26,800 --> 01:10:29,880
calls uh on Wednesday Friday and once

1536
01:10:29,880 --> 01:10:31,760
again on Monday morning we're trying to

1537
01:10:31,760 --> 01:10:34,800
get as many uh as possible uh right now

1538
01:10:34,800 --> 01:10:37,640
I got about a list of uh 68 people that

1539
01:10:37,640 --> 01:10:40,600
is willing and is ready for it uh but

1540
01:10:40,600 --> 01:10:42,440
then I would like to if there's anyone

1541
01:10:42,440 --> 01:10:45,640
else uh they want to come in and also uh

1542
01:10:45,640 --> 01:10:48,040
fill out we will also will receive any

1543
01:10:48,040 --> 01:10:51,440
new uh applications as well um so that's

1544
01:10:51,440 --> 01:10:53,960
all I have for now on that and I look

1545
01:10:53,960 --> 01:10:56,440
forward to see everyone oh there so this

1546
01:10:56,440 --> 01:10:59,040
is part of the process yes ma'am this is

1547
01:10:59,040 --> 01:11:00,920
a necessary part of the process this is

1548
01:11:00,920 --> 01:11:03,400
a requirement yes this is a requirement

1549
01:11:03,400 --> 01:11:06,000
for funding that we get these this

1550
01:11:06,000 --> 01:11:10,199
survey information so these folks we all

1551
01:11:10,199 --> 01:11:13,920
need to come in and and give survey

1552
01:11:13,920 --> 01:11:16,640
information how long will it take and

1553
01:11:16,640 --> 01:11:19,320
how long could they expect to be there

1554
01:11:19,320 --> 01:11:21,679
when they show up at any time between

1555
01:11:21,679 --> 01:11:27,840
12:00 noon and 700 p.m. next Monday we probably can get uh between 15 20

1556
01:11:27,840 --> 01:11:32,400
minutes uh filling out this form uh it's a one single form and pretty much

1557
01:11:32,400 --> 01:11:35,400
it's asking for name address contact

1558
01:11:35,400 --> 01:11:38,920
information and income and income that's

1559
01:11:38,920 --> 01:11:41,239
it is that the extent of the financial

1560
01:11:41,239 --> 01:11:44,040
information that they will be required

1561
01:11:44,040 --> 01:11:46,280
yes ma'am okay yes ma all right and so

1562
01:11:46,280 --> 01:11:50,239
also I understand that you have a rooc

1563
01:11:50,239 --> 01:11:52,840
call system set up yes ma'am tell us

1564
01:11:52,840 --> 01:11:56,280
about that so so in the last couple uh

1565
01:11:56,280 --> 01:11:58,880
public hearings we've been collecting uh

1566
01:11:58,880 --> 01:12:01,040
signatures with email address and

1567
01:12:01,040 --> 01:12:03,199
telephone numbers and we're adding that

1568
01:12:03,199 --> 01:12:06,320
to our NEX and Funko uh system uh and I

1569
01:12:06,320 --> 01:12:08,760
will have uh my utilities analyst to set

1570
01:12:08,760 --> 01:12:12,719
up that to go out into effect Wednesday

1571
01:12:12,719 --> 01:12:15,679
Friday and then once again on Monday

1572
01:12:15,679 --> 01:12:18,520
morning and and these Robo calls will be

1573
01:12:18,520 --> 01:12:22,040
made specifically to the

1574
01:12:22,040 --> 01:12:25,719
citizens in our my neighborhood correct

1575
01:12:25,719 --> 01:12:29,199
uh that is impacted by this 421 Water

1576
01:12:29,199 --> 01:12:30,760
Project your name your your name and

1577
01:12:30,760 --> 01:12:35,040
number is included as well I hope so

1578
01:12:35,040 --> 01:12:39,239
yes that was all Mr chairman thank you

1579
01:12:39,239 --> 01:12:41,760
sir he was really detailed that day at

1580
01:12:41,760 --> 01:12:43,480
the community meeting with them letting

1581
01:12:43,480 --> 01:12:45,080
them know that

1582
01:12:45,080 --> 01:12:48,360
yeah we are out of that district there

1583
01:12:48,360 --> 01:12:50,520
is no

1584
01:12:50,520 --> 01:12:53,639
other Mortal

1585
01:12:53,639 --> 01:12:58,790
Health social Serv

1586
01:12:58,800 --> 01:13:02,400
items from the county attorney uh

1587
01:13:02,400 --> 01:13:03,639
chairman

1588
01:13:03,639 --> 01:13:06,400
first personal matter I'd like to thank

1589
01:13:06,400 --> 01:13:09,600
uh Kelly sers uh

1590
01:13:09,600 --> 01:13:11,719
the North Carolina Department of

1591
01:13:11,719 --> 01:13:14,639
Transportation Incident Management uh

1592
01:13:14,639 --> 01:13:17,520
who parked behind me and made it safer

1593
01:13:17,520 --> 01:13:19,360
for me as well as all the people getting

1594
01:13:19,360 --> 01:13:24,400
off 40 and uh to to go to Rocky Point uh

1595
01:13:24,400 --> 01:13:25,679
when uh

1596
01:13:25,679 --> 01:13:27,840
I will no longer try to replace my own

1597
01:13:27,840 --> 01:13:29,000
tires I'll go to somebody with an

1598
01:13:29,000 --> 01:13:31,520
earring because my tire completely came

1599
01:13:31,520 --> 01:13:36,600
off and um so anyway there was uh that

1600
01:13:36,600 --> 01:13:39,159
was a little exciting uh this afternoon

1601
01:13:39,159 --> 01:13:41,400
that I didn't e but anyway Mr glad you

1602
01:13:41,400 --> 01:13:44,800
work first I'm the Lord take care of

1603
01:13:44,800 --> 01:13:47,320
Fools and he I don't think you're a fool

1604
01:13:47,320 --> 01:13:49,840
but I'm very glad he took care of you it

1605
01:13:49,840 --> 01:13:53,280
was again because I was right at I was

1606
01:13:53,280 --> 01:13:56,000
not going fast otherwise it would have

1607
01:13:56,000 --> 01:13:58,080
been bad cuz I mean the tire completely

1608
01:13:58,080 --> 01:13:59,840
came off people they did they're good at

1609
01:13:59,840 --> 01:14:03,000
their job IM no no it was it was good

1610
01:14:03,000 --> 01:14:05,520
and um also uh Miss brain came and

1611
01:14:05,520 --> 01:14:07,800
picked me up so I could I get here uh

1612
01:14:07,800 --> 01:14:10,679
but we would um uh for close session if

1613
01:14:10,679 --> 01:14:13,719
the board is uh would consider going

1614
01:14:13,719 --> 01:14:17,320
into item three attorney client and uh

1615
01:14:17,320 --> 01:14:19,639
item four Economic

1616
01:14:19,639 --> 01:14:23,430
Development all

1617
01:14:23,440 --> 01:14:26,679
right Mr chairman

1618
01:14:26,679 --> 01:14:29,600
if you will entertain a motion to go we

1619
01:14:29,600 --> 01:14:31,600
got to do the rest of the around around

1620
01:14:31,600 --> 01:14:33,000
the block

1621
01:14:33,000 --> 01:14:35,040
conversations County

1622
01:14:35,040 --> 01:14:37,080
Manager County Manager assistant County

1623
01:14:37,080 --> 01:14:39,000
Manager uh yes sir Mr chairman and

1624
01:14:39,000 --> 01:14:41,239
fellow Commissioners um I do have a

1625
01:14:41,239 --> 01:14:43,040
couple of new employees that started

1626
01:14:43,040 --> 01:14:45,679
today for our new uh for our Pender

1627
01:14:45,679 --> 01:14:47,520
County team I'd like to introduce you to

1628
01:14:47,520 --> 01:14:49,159
I'd like to begin with Mr Wyatt

1629
01:14:49,159 --> 01:14:50,880
Richardson if I could ask him to come to

1630
01:14:50,880 --> 01:14:53,280
the podium please sir uh just to tell

1631
01:14:53,280 --> 01:14:55,840
you a little bit about him he is our new

1632
01:14:55,840 --> 01:14:57,760
director of facilities and Fleet

1633
01:14:57,760 --> 01:15:00,400
Services he has a bachelor's degree in

1634
01:15:00,400 --> 01:15:02,280
Parks and Recreation management and

1635
01:15:02,280 --> 01:15:04,360
Associates in Automotive Systems

1636
01:15:04,360 --> 01:15:07,280
Technology he has 18 years of experience

1637
01:15:07,280 --> 01:15:09,719
in local government related to

1638
01:15:09,719 --> 01:15:12,040
facilities and ground maintenance Fleet

1639
01:15:12,040 --> 01:15:14,560
Management and Parks and Recreation as

1640
01:15:14,560 --> 01:15:17,760
well um he comes to us most recently

1641
01:15:17,760 --> 01:15:21,320
from the town of uh Leland and he was

1642
01:15:21,320 --> 01:15:24,080
there for about six years and um also

1643
01:15:24,080 --> 01:15:26,120
he's worked with the city of Durham and

1644
01:15:26,120 --> 01:15:29,120
Sarasota County Florida so we're really

1645
01:15:29,120 --> 01:15:31,400
happy to have him on board with us and

1646
01:15:31,400 --> 01:15:37,520
uh expect great things from you sir no pressure appreciate that just kidding

1647
01:15:37,520 --> 01:15:39,040
we are glad to have you and I'm glad to

1648
01:15:39,040 --> 01:15:41,199
be here uh I wanted to thank you all for

1649
01:15:41,199 --> 01:15:43,719
uh letting me join the team um excited

1650
01:15:43,719 --> 01:15:45,880
to add value to the organization and

1651
01:15:45,880 --> 01:15:48,400
ready to get work on uh both our Fleet

1652
01:15:48,400 --> 01:15:50,120
department and uh some of our County

1653
01:15:50,120 --> 01:15:52,880
facilities as we have some aged and some

1654
01:15:52,880 --> 01:15:54,560
new ones coming online as well so

1655
01:15:54,560 --> 01:15:56,440
excited to be a part of that so thank

1656
01:15:56,440 --> 01:16:02,320
you welcome now I'd like to ask Mr Dario

1657
01:16:02,320 --> 01:16:05,360
Ramirez if he'll come forward he is our

1658
01:16:05,360 --> 01:16:08,239
new uh County manager's office project

1659
01:16:08,239 --> 01:16:11,120
manager uh so we have plenty for him to

1660
01:16:11,120 --> 01:16:13,080
help us with with the capital projects

1661
01:16:13,080 --> 01:16:16,000
that are underway he has 20 years of

1662
01:16:16,000 --> 01:16:18,120
military service where he has served in

1663
01:16:18,120 --> 01:16:21,280
multiple project management capacities

1664
01:16:21,280 --> 01:16:22,920
he has a bachelor's from American

1665
01:16:22,920 --> 01:16:25,159
Military University and he's currently

1666
01:16:25,159 --> 01:16:27,239
completing his project management

1667
01:16:27,239 --> 01:16:29,960
professional certification and he's also

1668
01:16:29,960 --> 01:16:33,239
fluent in Spanish so we're uh really

1669
01:16:33,239 --> 01:16:34,760
grateful to have you on board with us as

1670
01:16:34,760 --> 01:16:37,600
well sir yeah absolutely I appreciate

1671
01:16:37,600 --> 01:16:39,400
the opportunity I appreciate the uh

1672
01:16:39,400 --> 01:16:41,320
serve the citizens of pener County first

1673
01:16:41,320 --> 01:16:44,239
and foremost uh moved here in 2019 on

1674
01:16:44,239 --> 01:16:46,239
Military orders and I definitely plan to

1675
01:16:46,239 --> 01:16:49,000
stay here for a long time great thank

1676
01:16:49,000 --> 01:16:51,400
you very much thank you glad to have you

1677
01:16:51,400 --> 01:16:52,840
appreciate it

1678
01:16:52,840 --> 01:16:55,239
man' and that's all Mr chairman thank

1679
01:16:55,239 --> 01:16:56,880
you

1680
01:16:56,880 --> 01:17:00,440
sir new commission Vice chair Newton I

1681
01:17:00,440 --> 01:17:01,639
have

1682
01:17:01,639 --> 01:17:04,960
nothing Mr I just like to thank all the

1683
01:17:04,960 --> 01:17:06,920
County employees and Tommy and

1684
01:17:06,920 --> 01:17:08,960
everything they did for us during that

1685
01:17:08,960 --> 01:17:11,320
storm recently and yall did an

1686
01:17:11,320 --> 01:17:14,750
outstanding job I appreciate

1687
01:17:14,760 --> 01:17:17,320
you Mr commissioner

1688
01:17:17,320 --> 01:17:20,320
grov uh yeah a couple of small things um

1689
01:17:20,320 --> 01:17:25,159
out of the uh R meeting um they're going

1690
01:17:25,159 --> 01:17:28,040
to do extensive work on

1691
01:17:28,040 --> 01:17:32,320
117 from Porter's Lane to um Walker

1692
01:17:32,320 --> 01:17:35,159
Street and that's pretty exciting to get

1693
01:17:35,159 --> 01:17:39,320
that project started and um a couple of

1694
01:17:39,320 --> 01:17:42,520
little things here from a citizen they

1695
01:17:42,520 --> 01:17:43,600
feel like the

1696
01:17:43,600 --> 01:17:46,480
$40 um

1697
01:17:46,480 --> 01:17:50,159
dumping um sticker is way too high and I

1698
01:17:50,159 --> 01:17:53,320
also feel like 40 is kind of high I'd

1699
01:17:53,320 --> 01:17:56,199
like to see that took down to 20 if they

1700
01:17:56,199 --> 01:17:59,280
need an extra sticker uh if we could

1701
01:17:59,280 --> 01:18:03,719
look at that anyway and um I had several

1702
01:18:03,719 --> 01:18:06,040
opportunities to stop by the EOC I want

1703
01:18:06,040 --> 01:18:09,679
to thank Tommy for his hard work that he

1704
01:18:09,679 --> 01:18:13,600
did during the storm it it was stressful

1705
01:18:13,600 --> 01:18:17,600
for a lot of people and um and to add to

1706
01:18:17,600 --> 01:18:22,320
that it Zing um emergency vehicles I

1707
01:18:22,320 --> 01:18:26,560
feel like if we're in a state of

1708
01:18:26,560 --> 01:18:28,960
emergency we should

1709
01:18:28,960 --> 01:18:31,520
limit River

1710
01:18:31,520 --> 01:18:34,480
activity because these boats are causing

1711
01:18:34,480 --> 01:18:37,199
more harm than the regular

1712
01:18:37,199 --> 01:18:39,960
storm they're tearing up the

1713
01:18:39,960 --> 01:18:42,960
banks and of course y'all know I live on

1714
01:18:42,960 --> 01:18:45,719
the river and I had a chance to look at

1715
01:18:45,719 --> 01:18:48,760
some of it today as the water was low

1716
01:18:48,760 --> 01:18:53,920
enough to look and um I I feel like Mr

1717
01:18:53,920 --> 01:18:55,280
manager you

1718
01:18:55,280 --> 01:18:57,880
kind of open that door and see if we

1719
01:18:57,880 --> 01:19:01,840
could do something to recreational

1720
01:19:01,840 --> 01:19:05,040
vehicles during state of emergency

1721
01:19:05,040 --> 01:19:06,960
during a

1722
01:19:06,960 --> 01:19:10,030
flood

1723
01:19:10,040 --> 01:19:14,760
um and that's about all I have yes

1724
01:19:14,760 --> 01:19:18,080
sir Mr Burton uh yeah real quick just a

1725
01:19:18,080 --> 01:19:19,760
couple of things um I just want to

1726
01:19:19,760 --> 01:19:22,280
reiterate and thank the citizens that

1727
01:19:22,280 --> 01:19:24,080
have contacted and called me that live

1728
01:19:24,080 --> 01:19:26,159
in the low l areas especially around

1729
01:19:26,159 --> 01:19:29,320
Scotts Hill around my neighborhood um my

1730
01:19:29,320 --> 01:19:31,040
wife and I have been there for 25 years

1731
01:19:31,040 --> 01:19:34,719
my wife since 1979 so we're very aware

1732
01:19:34,719 --> 01:19:37,120
of of those areas and my heart goes out

1733
01:19:37,120 --> 01:19:39,840
to uh to those citizens and hopefully as

1734
01:19:39,840 --> 01:19:43,239
we work forward uh the developers will

1735
01:19:43,239 --> 01:19:46,199
come under new storm water regulations

1736
01:19:46,199 --> 01:19:48,199
that will hopefully help mitigate some

1737
01:19:48,199 --> 01:19:50,560
of that moving forward uh and I'm glad

1738
01:19:50,560 --> 01:19:52,600
the new plan is is coming out with a lot

1739
01:19:52,600 --> 01:19:57,239
of public input um um secondly uh I had

1740
01:19:57,239 --> 01:19:58,960
a chance to uh be welcomed to the

1741
01:19:58,960 --> 01:20:00,960
tourism board last week for their

1742
01:20:00,960 --> 01:20:05,760
meeting my first time there and uh great team great group of folks had some

1743
01:20:05,760 --> 01:20:08,120
good discussions uh we're happy to get

1744
01:20:08,120 --> 01:20:11,360
the additional 3% what occupancy tax and

1745
01:20:11,360 --> 01:20:14,320
that's coming and uh look forward to uh

1746
01:20:14,320 --> 01:20:16,800
to helping on behalf of the board and

1747
01:20:16,800 --> 01:20:20,239
the citizens to uh to forward that and

1748
01:20:20,239 --> 01:20:23,880
uh thank you mayor that's it thank you

1749
01:20:23,880 --> 01:20:27,199
sir so I just have a few things uh I do

1750
01:20:27,199 --> 01:20:29,880
want to thank um emergency management

1751
01:20:29,880 --> 01:20:31,679
office and and the staff all the staff

1752
01:20:31,679 --> 01:20:32,760
that was there not just Emergency

1753
01:20:32,760 --> 01:20:35,400
Management there was the times I went in

1754
01:20:35,400 --> 01:20:38,040
there was everybody from Fire EMS

1755
01:20:38,040 --> 01:20:40,960
Sheriff Department Fire Marshal's Office

1756
01:20:40,960 --> 01:20:43,560
Department of Social Services Wes was in

1757
01:20:43,560 --> 01:20:45,880
there on Sunday afternoon hanging out

1758
01:20:45,880 --> 01:20:47,560
when he didn't need have to be his shift

1759
01:20:47,560 --> 01:20:49,400
had even started yet so it takes a lot

1760
01:20:49,400 --> 01:20:50,679
of different people and a lot of

1761
01:20:50,679 --> 01:20:52,639
different skills to toand that Center

1762
01:20:52,639 --> 01:20:55,040
and I appreciate every one of you um you

1763
01:20:55,040 --> 01:20:57,000
all made a difference in

1764
01:20:57,000 --> 01:21:00,000
somebody's part during this this event

1765
01:21:00,000 --> 01:21:02,360
luckily for us you know it was it wasn't

1766
01:21:02,360 --> 01:21:04,679
as bad as they predicted thank God and

1767
01:21:04,679 --> 01:21:06,679
um let's hope that we're done for the

1768
01:21:06,679 --> 01:21:09,840
year so we close that out um out on the

1769
01:21:09,840 --> 01:21:12,360
table also out where the public signment

1770
01:21:12,360 --> 01:21:15,719
comment signups are there is a uh paper

1771
01:21:15,719 --> 01:21:18,000
with a QR code for the transportation

1772
01:21:18,000 --> 01:21:20,480
plan where they're seeking input for

1773
01:21:20,480 --> 01:21:22,760
your want your input

1774
01:21:22,760 --> 01:21:25,159
on how to route the trans transportation

1775
01:21:25,159 --> 01:21:27,880
system in Pender County um a lot of

1776
01:21:27,880 --> 01:21:29,719
these projects are scored by public

1777
01:21:29,719 --> 01:21:33,159
input and we don't always score very

1778
01:21:33,159 --> 01:21:37,400
well because our our residents don't don't like to get on there and and

1779
01:21:37,400 --> 01:21:39,400
voice their opinions or concerns but

1780
01:21:39,400 --> 01:21:41,880
those do make a difference for the whole

1781
01:21:41,880 --> 01:21:44,000
County of Pender for the wmpo we have

1782
01:21:44,000 --> 01:21:46,560
two only had two projects approved last

1783
01:21:46,560 --> 01:21:49,440
year and the new H County had the

1784
01:21:49,440 --> 01:21:52,679
remaining 19 or 20 so it's important for

1785
01:21:52,679 --> 01:21:57,560
us to to you know have have a say um in

1786
01:21:57,560 --> 01:21:59,360
our own transportation

1787
01:21:59,360 --> 01:22:01,480
system also out there are the little

1788
01:22:01,480 --> 01:22:05,639
Flyers that um Adam Mr Mor discussed the

1789
01:22:05,639 --> 01:22:08,480
with it's also got a QR code to the

1790
01:22:08,480 --> 01:22:12,120
comprehensive um plan meetings I hope

1791
01:22:12,120 --> 01:22:14,560
there's big turnout for that it's a it's

1792
01:22:14,560 --> 01:22:17,320
a constant thing I hear every day about

1793
01:22:17,320 --> 01:22:20,280
how outdated our our comprehensive land

1794
01:22:20,280 --> 01:22:23,239
use plan and our ordinances are um and

1795
01:22:23,239 --> 01:22:24,760
this is a chance for the community the

1796
01:22:24,760 --> 01:22:26,840
citizens that that that feel that pain

1797
01:22:26,840 --> 01:22:29,600
to have have some say so I encourage

1798
01:22:29,600 --> 01:22:31,120
everybody that has opportunity to attend

1799
01:22:31,120 --> 01:22:33,760
one of those meetings to attend I am

1800
01:22:33,760 --> 01:22:35,159
concerned about like I said earlier

1801
01:22:35,159 --> 01:22:36,800
about the early meetings I want

1802
01:22:36,800 --> 01:22:38,280
everybody to have the same opportunity

1803
01:22:38,280 --> 01:22:40,320
so maybe we can work something out with

1804
01:22:40,320 --> 01:22:42,679
the consultant that we can move those to

1805
01:22:42,679 --> 01:22:45,239
a time that's more convenient to people

1806
01:22:45,239 --> 01:22:47,719
um and there may no you know we've done

1807
01:22:47,719 --> 01:22:49,800
this several times we make these

1808
01:22:49,800 --> 01:22:52,120
opportunities available and nobody shows

1809
01:22:52,120 --> 01:22:55,880
up but at least we've made the opportun

1810
01:22:55,880 --> 01:22:58,679
available um I'm going to harp on

1811
01:22:58,679 --> 01:22:59,960
something that I've harped on several

1812
01:22:59,960 --> 01:23:03,120
time and that's and and it was pretty

1813
01:23:03,120 --> 01:23:04,960
obvious in parts of Eastern Pender

1814
01:23:04,960 --> 01:23:08,080
County um this time where the where a

1815
01:23:08,080 --> 01:23:11,480
lot of the flooding was at is our

1816
01:23:11,480 --> 01:23:14,040
um there's our will to let the developer

1817
01:23:14,040 --> 01:23:16,360
come in and clearcut everything even the

1818
01:23:16,360 --> 01:23:18,639
dog finnels out off the field and not

1819
01:23:18,639 --> 01:23:21,600
leave a tree um there's places on 17

1820
01:23:21,600 --> 01:23:23,600
that had never flooded and now that

1821
01:23:23,600 --> 01:23:26,040
they've um clear cut right there by

1822
01:23:26,040 --> 01:23:28,800
Blakes Farm on 17 there's High still

1823
01:23:28,800 --> 01:23:30,239
high water sign there there's no water

1824
01:23:30,239 --> 01:23:33,199
there but it's never flooded before but

1825
01:23:33,199 --> 01:23:34,520
we let them come in they take all the

1826
01:23:34,520 --> 01:23:36,360
trees off and then maybe four or five

1827
01:23:36,360 --> 01:23:38,639
years later they'll come in and put

1828
01:23:38,639 --> 01:23:40,840
their storm water system in so where

1829
01:23:40,840 --> 01:23:43,040
does that water go in the meantime it

1830
01:23:43,040 --> 01:23:45,679
goes in the road it goes in the people's

1831
01:23:45,679 --> 01:23:49,920
yards um I rode down through Scott Hill

1832
01:23:49,920 --> 01:23:51,080
I rode through those neighborhoods I

1833
01:23:51,080 --> 01:23:53,679
seen what was coming off of of where

1834
01:23:53,679 --> 01:23:55,560
that development behind popular Grove is

1835
01:23:55,560 --> 01:23:58,199
clearcut everything there those 300 year

1836
01:23:58,199 --> 01:23:59,719
oak trees that used to be there that

1837
01:23:59,719 --> 01:24:02,040
soaked up a th000 gallons an hour are no

1838
01:24:02,040 --> 01:24:03,800
longer there all that water is one of

1839
01:24:03,800 --> 01:24:06,199
these people's garages ride down through

1840
01:24:06,199 --> 01:24:07,639
Washington

1841
01:24:07,639 --> 01:24:10,880
Acres um where that 60 Acres plus was

1842
01:24:10,880 --> 01:24:14,400
clearcut for to plant 30 apartment

1843
01:24:14,400 --> 01:24:16,280
buildings where does all that water

1844
01:24:16,280 --> 01:24:18,520
going that storm water system has not up

1845
01:24:18,520 --> 01:24:21,040
and functional um but they're allowed to

1846
01:24:21,040 --> 01:24:23,159
continue you know building and then put

1847
01:24:23,159 --> 01:24:26,000
that in later so I I really like for us

1848
01:24:26,000 --> 01:24:28,199
to see us go back and revisit our tree

1849
01:24:28,199 --> 01:24:31,960
Ordinance do away with the with the

1850
01:24:31,960 --> 01:24:33,639
addition to the ordinance where we

1851
01:24:33,639 --> 01:24:36,320
allowed them to clear before permits

1852
01:24:36,320 --> 01:24:37,040
were

1853
01:24:37,040 --> 01:24:39,000
obtained and maybe that will at least

1854
01:24:39,000 --> 01:24:40,679
slow it down for a little while and i'

1855
01:24:40,679 --> 01:24:41,920
I've encouraged that a couple of times

1856
01:24:41,920 --> 01:24:44,560
now I'll encourage it again and once I

1857
01:24:44,560 --> 01:24:46,119
not chair again I'll make that motion to

1858
01:24:46,119 --> 01:24:48,760
have that done um we got it done for the

1859
01:24:48,760 --> 01:24:50,760
campers and and we're our accessory

1860
01:24:50,760 --> 01:24:51,719
buildings and we're looking to get it

1861
01:24:51,719 --> 01:24:53,119
done for campers at least we can do is

1862
01:24:53,119 --> 01:24:55,000
get it done for the

1863
01:24:55,000 --> 01:24:58,880
absolutely um other than that I have no

1864
01:24:58,880 --> 01:25:01,320
nothing else I have a getting that done

1865
01:25:01,320 --> 01:25:03,199
have a motion to go into close session I

1866
01:25:03,199 --> 01:25:04,960
have a motion to go into close session

1867
01:25:04,960 --> 01:25:07,560
for item number three attorney client

1868
01:25:07,560 --> 01:25:12,040
privilege and item four uh economic

1869
01:25:12,040 --> 01:25:16,719
development is there a second second all those a favor raise your

1870
01:25:16,719 --> 01:25:18,320
right

1871
01:25:18,320 --> 01:25:20,719
hand we are now in close session we'll

1872
01:25:20,719 --> 01:25:53,229
be back at 7:00 before being what

1873
01:25:53,239 --> 01:26:23,229
for

1874
01:26:23,239 --> 03:03:10,590
e e

1875
03:03:10,600 --> 03:03:13,359
so this is welcome y'all to

1876
03:03:13,359 --> 03:03:15,560
the public hearing and special use

1877
03:03:15,560 --> 03:03:17,239
permits and zoning map amendments and

1878
03:03:17,239 --> 03:03:19,920
resolutions part of the meeting I'll go

1879
03:03:19,920 --> 03:03:23,439
ahead and read the public comment um

1880
03:03:23,439 --> 03:03:26,399
narrative while we're waiting for Mr

1881
03:03:26,399 --> 03:03:28,640
McCoy when if you signed up to speak

1882
03:03:28,640 --> 03:03:31,120
speakers will be acknowledged by the

1883
03:03:31,120 --> 03:03:32,560
county manager in the order in which

1884
03:03:32,560 --> 03:03:34,279
names appear on the sheet or maybe

1885
03:03:34,279 --> 03:03:36,200
County attorney who's got the sheet now

1886
03:03:36,200 --> 03:03:38,840
sorry County attorney speaker shall

1887
03:03:38,840 --> 03:03:40,359
address the board from the podium and

1888
03:03:40,359 --> 03:03:41,880
begin comments by stating name and

1889
03:03:41,880 --> 03:03:44,960
address speakers shall be courteous and

1890
03:03:44,960 --> 03:03:46,439
respectful in their remarks and shall

1891
03:03:46,439 --> 03:03:48,560
refrain from personal attacks

1892
03:03:48,560 --> 03:03:50,399
the use of profanity and discussion of

1893
03:03:50,399 --> 03:03:52,760
personnel or other matters deemed

1894
03:03:52,760 --> 03:03:55,520
confidential by

1895
03:03:55,520 --> 03:04:07,950
law and he's still not

1896
03:04:07,960 --> 03:04:11,880
here well we'll go ahead and start how

1897
03:04:11,880 --> 03:04:13,160
is that okay is that all right with

1898
03:04:13,160 --> 03:04:16,359
y'all Mr McCoy will come in you'll just

1899
03:04:16,359 --> 03:04:18,040
excuse Mr McCoy when he comes in and let

1900
03:04:18,040 --> 03:04:21,239
him sit down that' be appreciated

1901
03:04:21,239 --> 03:04:26,560
21.1 resoning 24 or 202 2466 rest

1902
03:04:26,560 --> 03:04:28,960
request to

1903
03:04:28,960 --> 03:04:31,600
modify how are you

1904
03:04:31,600 --> 03:04:33,760
sir good evening Mr chairman members of

1905
03:04:33,760 --> 03:04:38,070
the

1906
03:04:38,080 --> 03:04:41,200
board excuse

1907
03:04:41,200 --> 03:04:43,560
me tonight I'm presenting sorry can you

1908
03:04:43,560 --> 03:04:46,960
hear me okay I can I everybody okay

1909
03:04:46,960 --> 03:04:50,319
great case reone

1910
03:04:50,319 --> 03:04:53,840
20246 kg Plaza LLC the applicant owner

1911
03:04:53,840 --> 03:04:56,000
is requesting to modify an existing

1912
03:04:56,000 --> 03:04:57,560
conditional zoning District to allow for

1913
03:04:57,560 --> 03:04:59,840
the residents of the sanctuary at Forest

1914
03:04:59,840 --> 03:05:02,279
sound to store recreational vehicles uh

1915
03:05:02,279 --> 03:05:04,000
within a private facility in the

1916
03:05:04,000 --> 03:05:06,600
development the private private storage

1917
03:05:06,600 --> 03:05:09,760
facility will be approximately 4.51

1918
03:05:09,760 --> 03:05:11,880
Acres with 106 storage units the

1919
03:05:11,880 --> 03:05:13,359
existing conditional District was

1920
03:05:13,359 --> 03:05:15,439
approved in 2015 and allowed for the

1921
03:05:15,439 --> 03:05:21,600
development of 106 single family homes uh we have a vicinity map here the

1922
03:05:21,600 --> 03:05:23,520
uh red highlighted and hatched area is

1923
03:05:23,520 --> 03:05:25,479
the subject property it's right off of

1924
03:05:25,479 --> 03:05:27,960
US Highway 17 uh right next to the

1925
03:05:27,960 --> 03:05:31,040
intersection of 17 and4 sound Road um

1926
03:05:31,040 --> 03:05:34,319
very close proximity to the Hamstead

1927
03:05:34,319 --> 03:05:37,000
andx we can see from the aerial map uh

1928
03:05:37,000 --> 03:05:39,560
the outlined subject property uh it's a

1929
03:05:39,560 --> 03:05:41,239
heavily vegetated

1930
03:05:41,239 --> 03:05:45,479
area um mostly trees there along the

1931
03:05:45,479 --> 03:05:48,720
roads and uh right behind it to the West

1932
03:05:48,720 --> 03:05:52,720
is uh the sanctuary at Forest Sound

1933
03:05:52,720 --> 03:05:56,120
Community it is zoned RM cd1 it's a

1934
03:05:56,120 --> 03:05:57,680
residential mixed conditional zoning

1935
03:05:57,680 --> 03:05:59,800
District uh it's surrounded by

1936
03:05:59,800 --> 03:06:03,750
residential performance and general

1937
03:06:03,760 --> 03:06:05,680
business this is the applicant's

1938
03:06:05,680 --> 03:06:08,800
original site plan consisting of 154

1939
03:06:08,800 --> 03:06:12,200
storage units um after feedback from the

1940
03:06:12,200 --> 03:06:13,880
public input meeting in the community

1941
03:06:13,880 --> 03:06:16,080
they have uh decided to reduce the

1942
03:06:16,080 --> 03:06:19,319
number of stor units to 106 uh to be

1943
03:06:19,319 --> 03:06:22,239
consistent with the number of homes here

1944
03:06:22,239 --> 03:06:24,880
is what it looks like now um a lot more

1945
03:06:24,880 --> 03:06:26,680
open space toward the back less units

1946
03:06:26,680 --> 03:06:29,560
and an overall reduction of about 31% in

1947
03:06:29,560 --> 03:06:32,269
total

1948
03:06:32,279 --> 03:06:34,560
footprint uh here we have traffic counts

1949
03:06:34,560 --> 03:06:37,120
provided by the wmpo and

1950
03:06:37,120 --> 03:06:39,920
ncdot uh we see that US Highway 17 is

1951
03:06:39,920 --> 03:06:43,120
over capacity which we all probably knew

1952
03:06:43,120 --> 03:06:45,720
uh but this is a reserved use for the

1953
03:06:45,720 --> 03:06:47,640
residents of sanctuary Forest sound

1954
03:06:47,640 --> 03:06:50,319
therefore the uh in there's not an

1955
03:06:50,319 --> 03:06:51,960
anticipated increase in traffic as

1956
03:06:51,960 --> 03:06:53,680
they're already going to be traveling

1957
03:06:53,680 --> 03:06:56,229
that

1958
03:06:56,239 --> 03:06:59,040
road there are no residential uses being

1959
03:06:59,040 --> 03:07:00,960
proposed for this uh conditional zoning

1960
03:07:00,960 --> 03:07:03,680
district and Commercial uses would be n

1961
03:07:03,680 --> 03:07:05,120
code

1962
03:07:05,120 --> 03:07:07,680
53113 and then miss the miscellaneous

1963
03:07:07,680 --> 03:07:09,800
use storage of boats and watercraft

1964
03:07:09,800 --> 03:07:13,319
Outdoors on or on dry stack structures

1965
03:07:13,319 --> 03:07:16,200
uh we have our set setback table um

1966
03:07:16,200 --> 03:07:18,399
it'll be 30 foot setback act all around

1967
03:07:18,399 --> 03:07:21,359
with a maximum height of 40 ft for

1968
03:07:21,359 --> 03:07:23,399
structures we have our landscaping and

1969
03:07:23,399 --> 03:07:26,120
buffer table um there will be an A4

1970
03:07:26,120 --> 03:07:29,239
buffer along the road on for sound uh

1971
03:07:29,239 --> 03:07:30,880
and the rest will be buffered by

1972
03:07:30,880 --> 03:07:33,389
existing

1973
03:07:33,399 --> 03:07:36,000
vegetation the A4 buffer consists of a

1974
03:07:36,000 --> 03:07:38,160
30 foot wide strip with one canopy tree

1975
03:07:38,160 --> 03:07:41,040
two understory trees and a grass or

1976
03:07:41,040 --> 03:07:44,469
other vegetative ground

1977
03:07:44,479 --> 03:07:48,200
cover Excuse me yes ma'am for

1978
03:07:48,200 --> 03:07:51,560
yes ma'am when you say the subject

1979
03:07:51,560 --> 03:07:54,120
property um on one of your slides back

1980
03:07:54,120 --> 03:07:56,279
there and I have it in front of

1981
03:07:56,279 --> 03:07:59,279
me one

1982
03:07:59,279 --> 03:08:02,760
more is that where they're proposing the

1983
03:08:02,760 --> 03:08:05,399
storage yes ma'am it'll the storage

1984
03:08:05,399 --> 03:08:07,600
facility will be approximately where

1985
03:08:07,600 --> 03:08:09,800
this line is but I have a in this slide

1986
03:08:09,800 --> 03:08:12,239
is that the 120

1987
03:08:12,239 --> 03:08:15,920
AC how large is that this is I believe

1988
03:08:15,920 --> 03:08:19,160
it's say I believe this is 60 Acres 60

1989
03:08:19,160 --> 03:08:24,200
and A2 um behind it to West here kind of

1990
03:08:24,200 --> 03:08:26,479
Southwest that's the rest of sanctuary

1991
03:08:26,479 --> 03:08:28,960
Force sound where the 106 homes

1992
03:08:28,960 --> 03:08:31,600
are

1993
03:08:31,600 --> 03:08:34,439
okay but this this is where they're

1994
03:08:34,439 --> 03:08:37,160
under the street canopy is where they're

1995
03:08:37,160 --> 03:08:44,870
proposing the storage unit yes ma'am

1996
03:08:44,880 --> 03:08:48,439
okay here is the proposed entrance and

1997
03:08:48,439 --> 03:08:50,560
proposed storage area where they'll be

1998
03:08:50,560 --> 03:08:53,080
located on the

1999
03:08:53,080 --> 03:08:56,560
parcel um the future land use map CL

2000
03:08:56,560 --> 03:08:58,920
classifies this as low density

2001
03:08:58,920 --> 03:09:01,399
residential

2002
03:09:01,399 --> 03:09:03,920
and staff is recommending approval for

2003
03:09:03,920 --> 03:09:06,200
this project um amending the conditional

2004
03:09:06,200 --> 03:09:07,760
zoning District would be consistent with

2005
03:09:07,760 --> 03:09:09,640
the intent of the initial development by

2006
03:09:09,640 --> 03:09:11,880
providing an amenity to existing

2007
03:09:11,880 --> 03:09:13,080
residential

2008
03:09:13,080 --> 03:09:15,840
development proposal is supported by one

2009
03:09:15,840 --> 03:09:17,520
policy and one recommended action the

2010
03:09:17,520 --> 03:09:21,279
future land use plan policy 5.1. F

2011
03:09:21,279 --> 03:09:23,239
conditional zoning and recommended

2012
03:09:23,239 --> 03:09:27,040
action 5.1. K1 discourage the

2013
03:09:27,040 --> 03:09:28,560
construction of storage facilities along

2014
03:09:28,560 --> 03:09:31,560
the road Frontage and um I can go into

2015
03:09:31,560 --> 03:09:33,080
further detail on those policies if the

2016
03:09:33,080 --> 03:09:37,510
board would

2017
03:09:37,520 --> 03:09:39,680
like um staff is recommending the

2018
03:09:39,680 --> 03:09:41,160
following conditions approval to

2019
03:09:41,160 --> 03:09:42,520
consider and approving the conditional

2020
03:09:42,520 --> 03:09:46,680
Zoning for the site um this is between

2021
03:09:46,680 --> 03:09:48,960
staff and the plan board or the rather

2022
03:09:48,960 --> 03:09:50,479
the planning board recommended some of

2023
03:09:50,479 --> 03:09:53,000
these appr or conditions of approval uh

2024
03:09:53,000 --> 03:09:54,600
first the project shall comply with all

2025
03:09:54,600 --> 03:09:55,880
requirements of the Pender County

2026
03:09:55,880 --> 03:09:58,000
unified development ordinance the

2027
03:09:58,000 --> 03:09:59,960
applicant shall meet all other state

2028
03:09:59,960 --> 03:10:02,920
local uh and federal regulations the

2029
03:10:02,920 --> 03:10:04,920
storage facility shall remain private

2030
03:10:04,920 --> 03:10:06,600
and only for the use of the residents of

2031
03:10:06,600 --> 03:10:08,439
the sanctuary at Forest sound

2032
03:10:08,439 --> 03:10:11,080
development for the developer shall be

2033
03:10:11,080 --> 03:10:13,600
fully responsible Financial or otherwise

2034
03:10:13,600 --> 03:10:15,319
for the repair of any damage or

2035
03:10:15,319 --> 03:10:17,040
maintenance issues on the forest sound

2036
03:10:17,040 --> 03:10:19,520
Road until the boat storage facility has

2037
03:10:19,520 --> 03:10:22,279
received a certificate of occupancy once

2038
03:10:22,279 --> 03:10:24,040
the certificate of occupancy has been

2039
03:10:24,040 --> 03:10:26,279
issued maintenance cost for Forest sound

2040
03:10:26,279 --> 03:10:27,880
Road shall revert to the original

2041
03:10:27,880 --> 03:10:29,680
maintenance

2042
03:10:29,680 --> 03:10:32,560
agreement five the site of the storage

2043
03:10:32,560 --> 03:10:35,760
facility will be of a perious surface

2044
03:10:35,760 --> 03:10:38,680
there will be no dry stack structures

2045
03:10:38,680 --> 03:10:40,080
and the apron and entrance of the

2046
03:10:40,080 --> 03:10:42,279
storage facility will be pervious

2047
03:10:42,279 --> 03:10:46,040
concrete at a minimum of 161 ft

2048
03:10:46,040 --> 03:10:48,800
length I that will last from again uh

2049
03:10:48,800 --> 03:10:50,760
the apron and entrance of the storage

2050
03:10:50,760 --> 03:10:53,319
facility will be a perious concrete in a

2051
03:10:53,319 --> 03:10:59,790
minimum of 161 foot

2052
03:10:59,800 --> 03:11:02,200
length the planning board unanimously

2053
03:11:02,200 --> 03:11:04,479
approved uh a recommended approval for

2054
03:11:04,479 --> 03:11:07,800
this uh when it went before

2055
03:11:07,800 --> 03:11:10,040
them and is there any questions yes

2056
03:11:10,040 --> 03:11:13,040
ma'am can I direct you back to where the

2057
03:11:13,040 --> 03:11:16,399
conditions um one of the conditions says

2058
03:11:16,399 --> 03:11:19,000
that it remains private was there any

2059
03:11:19,000 --> 03:11:22,800
distinction made between Property Owners

2060
03:11:22,800 --> 03:11:29,510
or residents how was that

2061
03:11:29,520 --> 03:11:32,080
characterized I believe it's homeowners

2062
03:11:32,080 --> 03:11:33,040
I'm not sure if I understand the

2063
03:11:33,040 --> 03:11:37,160
question okay so all I'm saying is

2064
03:11:37,160 --> 03:11:40,880
someone could own houses rent houses and

2065
03:11:40,880 --> 03:11:43,359
then you got more than what was

2066
03:11:43,359 --> 03:11:46,800
anticipated that you got the homeowner I

2067
03:11:46,800 --> 03:11:48,840
mean you got got the property owner ma'

2068
03:11:48,840 --> 03:11:51,600
and then you've got the how private are

2069
03:11:51,600 --> 03:11:53,000
we making

2070
03:11:53,000 --> 03:11:56,080
this I believe it's all residents I'm

2071
03:11:56,080 --> 03:11:58,720
not sure if that distinction was made

2072
03:11:58,720 --> 03:12:07,510
okay thanks yes

2073
03:12:07,520 --> 03:12:10,560
ma'am yes ma'am um commissioner Newton

2074
03:12:10,560 --> 03:12:12,439
the uh store condition three says the

2075
03:12:12,439 --> 03:12:14,080
storage facility shall remain private

2076
03:12:14,080 --> 03:12:15,720
and only for the use of residents of the

2077
03:12:15,720 --> 03:12:24,830
sanctuary at Forest sound

2078
03:12:24,840 --> 03:12:27,439
um are there any questions from other

2079
03:12:27,439 --> 03:12:28,600
members of the

2080
03:12:28,600 --> 03:12:32,710
board or anything I could explain

2081
03:12:32,720 --> 03:12:35,600
further so do you know why they're not

2082
03:12:35,600 --> 03:12:38,800
opting to go with the the lead Drive can

2083
03:12:38,800 --> 03:12:40,840
you speak to why the lead Drive yes sir

2084
03:12:40,840 --> 03:12:41,880
it's my understanding that there's

2085
03:12:41,880 --> 03:12:43,920
Wetlands near lead drive and developing

2086
03:12:43,920 --> 03:12:47,239
that uh is not recommended

2087
03:12:47,239 --> 03:12:49,720
and that there is uh an agreement for

2088
03:12:49,720 --> 03:12:51,200
the applicant to be able to use Force

2089
03:12:51,200 --> 03:12:53,920
sound Road um I believe that applicants

2090
03:12:53,920 --> 03:12:55,840
can speak more to this but I believe the

2091
03:12:55,840 --> 03:12:59,040
agreement uh is from decades ago where

2092
03:12:59,040 --> 03:13:00,800
they have access to that

2093
03:13:00,800 --> 03:13:03,560
road how many access they have access to

2094
03:13:03,560 --> 03:13:05,040
the neighborhood that's one access how

2095
03:13:05,040 --> 03:13:07,279
many access did it

2096
03:13:07,279 --> 03:13:09,399
specify how many accesses they could

2097
03:13:09,399 --> 03:13:11,960
have to that road um what is the purpose

2098
03:13:11,960 --> 03:13:13,920
of the access is it just for just for

2099
03:13:13,920 --> 03:13:17,560
the storage yes sir

2100
03:13:17,560 --> 03:13:19,160
so

2101
03:13:19,160 --> 03:13:21,520
when the access

2102
03:13:21,520 --> 03:13:25,080
point the uh the driveway the apron area

2103
03:13:25,080 --> 03:13:28,760
was was ample research done and that

2104
03:13:28,760 --> 03:13:30,520
because you storage unit is going to be

2105
03:13:30,520 --> 03:13:32,080
boats stuff like that it's going to be

2106
03:13:32,080 --> 03:13:34,439
big boats yes sir there there's plenty

2107
03:13:34,439 --> 03:13:36,040
of room to navigate your way in that

2108
03:13:36,040 --> 03:13:37,960
entrance that's yes sir the applicant

2109
03:13:37,960 --> 03:13:39,160
can speak a little bit more to this but

2110
03:13:39,160 --> 03:13:41,160
I believe at the planning board they um

2111
03:13:41,160 --> 03:13:42,800
went over how they tested it and that

2112
03:13:42,800 --> 03:13:44,040
there was they found that there was

2113
03:13:44,040 --> 03:13:49,269
enough room okay yes sir

2114
03:13:49,279 --> 03:13:50,760
is there any other questions for staff

2115
03:13:50,760 --> 03:13:51,920
before we

2116
03:13:51,920 --> 03:13:56,080
get Mr Rose you good I'm good yes sir

2117
03:13:56,080 --> 03:13:57,640
thank you I believe uh the applicant has

2118
03:13:57,640 --> 03:14:12,309
a presentation

2119
03:14:12,319 --> 03:14:14,800
prepared good evening Mr chairman and

2120
03:14:14,800 --> 03:14:16,640
members of the board my name is Matt

2121
03:14:16,640 --> 03:14:19,200
Nicholls I'm an attorney in Wilmington

2122
03:14:19,200 --> 03:14:21,239
and I represent the applicant owner in

2123
03:14:21,239 --> 03:14:23,279
this request uh we appreciate the

2124
03:14:23,279 --> 03:14:25,279
opportunity to uh make a brief

2125
03:14:25,279 --> 03:14:27,840
presentation and have a series of slides

2126
03:14:27,840 --> 03:14:29,560
which I hope will help explain the

2127
03:14:29,560 --> 03:14:32,000
request and answer uh questions that the

2128
03:14:32,000 --> 03:14:34,600
board may have uh with me here this

2129
03:14:34,600 --> 03:14:37,479
evening are Brad Schuler who is a land

2130
03:14:37,479 --> 03:14:39,040
planner with Paramount engineering as

2131
03:14:39,040 --> 03:14:40,960
well as Jeremy Blair he is a civil

2132
03:14:40,960 --> 03:14:43,080
engineer with Paramount engineering and

2133
03:14:43,080 --> 03:14:45,600
then my client Representatives uh Robert

2134
03:14:45,600 --> 03:14:47,840
Jackson and Dean Dean hard AR are also

2135
03:14:47,840 --> 03:14:52,160
here um I'll start out by saying what

2136
03:14:52,160 --> 03:14:54,880
this is the project is not just to

2137
03:14:54,880 --> 03:14:57,760
clarify uh this is not open to the

2138
03:14:57,760 --> 03:15:01,640
public it is not a commercial uh boat or

2139
03:15:01,640 --> 03:15:03,920
recreational vehicle storage there'll be

2140
03:15:03,920 --> 03:15:07,279
no renting or selling of slips or

2141
03:15:07,279 --> 03:15:10,359
spaces um there's no change in the

2142
03:15:10,359 --> 03:15:11,600
residential

2143
03:15:11,600 --> 03:15:14,560
density um there's no dry stack storage

2144
03:15:14,560 --> 03:15:19,479
of boats or other RV type Vehicles

2145
03:15:19,479 --> 03:15:21,920
there's no many storage units there's

2146
03:15:21,920 --> 03:15:25,439
really no structures involved except my

2147
03:15:25,439 --> 03:15:27,880
understanding is there's proposed a gate

2148
03:15:27,880 --> 03:15:32,560
to gate the the uh entryway uh and but

2149
03:15:32,560 --> 03:15:35,279
other than that this is not a a like a a

2150
03:15:35,279 --> 03:15:38,840
many storage facility in any way um I

2151
03:15:38,840 --> 03:15:40,560
know that the board is uh very familiar

2152
03:15:40,560 --> 03:15:43,279
with the area and uh but this will

2153
03:15:43,279 --> 03:15:44,880
provide some context we circled the

2154
03:15:44,880 --> 03:15:46,399
Pender County Annex Building there in

2155
03:15:46,399 --> 03:15:48,399
blue

2156
03:15:48,399 --> 03:15:51,040
and I won't go through the the details

2157
03:15:51,040 --> 03:15:55,000
of the 2015 approval but in

2158
03:15:55,000 --> 03:15:57,040
2015 um the board of County

2159
03:15:57,040 --> 03:15:59,160
Commissioners unanimously approved the

2160
03:15:59,160 --> 03:16:03,000
106 unit single family subdivision the

2161
03:16:03,000 --> 03:16:04,840
entire property um commissioner Newton

2162
03:16:04,840 --> 03:16:07,199
to your question the entire property was

2163
03:16:07,199 --> 03:16:09,840
the 120 acres and then the part the part

2164
03:16:09,840 --> 03:16:11,120
that we're talking about is rough

2165
03:16:11,120 --> 03:16:15,160
roughly half that about 60.5 Acres um

2166
03:16:15,160 --> 03:16:17,880
where the Wetland or

2167
03:16:17,880 --> 03:16:20,479
yes ma'am correct yes

2168
03:16:20,479 --> 03:16:22,800
ma'am and you can see there that the

2169
03:16:22,800 --> 03:16:26,359
proposed RV boat storage area shown

2170
03:16:26,359 --> 03:16:28,800
dotted and blue there and there are from

2171
03:16:28,800 --> 03:16:30,840
what I understand some significant

2172
03:16:30,840 --> 03:16:34,680
wetlands in the around the area and

2173
03:16:34,680 --> 03:16:37,960
that's what's limiting the access or

2174
03:16:37,960 --> 03:16:39,319
would you would want the access on

2175
03:16:39,319 --> 03:16:41,319
Forest sound road but I I'm certainly

2176
03:16:41,319 --> 03:16:43,399
can defer to the engineers on on

2177
03:16:43,399 --> 03:16:45,439
specific questions about the

2178
03:16:45,439 --> 03:16:48,120
wetlands um so here is the area of the

2179
03:16:48,120 --> 03:16:50,600
proposed modification to the existing

2180
03:16:50,600 --> 03:16:51,520
conditional

2181
03:16:51,520 --> 03:16:54,080
zoning and just to provide again just

2182
03:16:54,080 --> 03:16:56,680
some context here um there's the Pender

2183
03:16:56,680 --> 03:16:59,479
County Annex Building uh it's as

2184
03:16:59,479 --> 03:17:01,040
everyone knows it's quite commercial

2185
03:17:01,040 --> 03:17:02,520
there on on Highway

2186
03:17:02,520 --> 03:17:04,920
17 the there's the entrance to Forest

2187
03:17:04,920 --> 03:17:09,040
sound Road and then you can see the star

2188
03:17:09,040 --> 03:17:11,160
represents the approximate location of

2189
03:17:11,160 --> 03:17:13,960
the proposed RV and Boat Storage and

2190
03:17:13,960 --> 03:17:15,319
then you can see the approximate

2191
03:17:15,319 --> 03:17:17,880
location of the proposed entrance

2192
03:17:17,880 --> 03:17:22,960
so it's fairly close to 17 and um while

2193
03:17:22,960 --> 03:17:25,000
it is putting um you would say there's

2194
03:17:25,000 --> 03:17:28,080
sort of boat travel trailering traffic

2195
03:17:28,080 --> 03:17:31,359
on that area um it's not really taking

2196
03:17:31,359 --> 03:17:36,800
that through the the significant or the vast the the majority of the

2197
03:17:36,800 --> 03:17:38,960
neighborhood streets that are to the

2198
03:17:38,960 --> 03:17:41,960
east of there um you can see the

2199
03:17:41,960 --> 03:17:43,880
approved residential lots at the top of

2200
03:17:43,880 --> 03:17:47,120
the screen and then just in the um the

2201
03:17:47,120 --> 03:17:48,239
bottom of the screen you can see the

2202
03:17:48,239 --> 03:17:50,680
commercial and Civic uses so it it

2203
03:17:50,680 --> 03:17:53,920
really is um sort of within that sort of

2204
03:17:53,920 --> 03:17:55,880
buffer area between the commercial and

2205
03:17:55,880 --> 03:17:59,680
then the residential and um it um it

2206
03:17:59,680 --> 03:18:02,479
will be sort of out of sight for the

2207
03:18:02,479 --> 03:18:05,000
most part so you won't be having like

2208
03:18:05,000 --> 03:18:08,040
storage on the say on 17 I know there's

2209
03:18:08,040 --> 03:18:09,439
some things in your land use plan that

2210
03:18:09,439 --> 03:18:11,760
sort of discourage that type of use but

2211
03:18:11,760 --> 03:18:14,199
um for the most part um it will largely

2212
03:18:14,199 --> 03:18:17,040
be you won't really see it uh Mr

2213
03:18:17,040 --> 03:18:19,600
attorney Nicholls one of the questions

2214
03:18:19,600 --> 03:18:22,359
what I was trying to get to a while ago

2215
03:18:22,359 --> 03:18:25,720
was on the 60 Acres that includes the

2216
03:18:25,720 --> 03:18:29,479
wetlands it seems to be heavily wooded

2217
03:18:29,479 --> 03:18:32,120
how much of that 60 Acres is going to

2218
03:18:32,120 --> 03:18:36,199
need to be cut and what improvements

2219
03:18:36,199 --> 03:18:39,439
will be made for drainage once those

2220
03:18:39,439 --> 03:18:43,000
trees are cut on that 60 Acres around

2221
03:18:43,000 --> 03:18:45,600
the wetlands area that's my concern yes

2222
03:18:45,600 --> 03:18:47,399
ma'am so the area

2223
03:18:47,399 --> 03:18:49,359
that we're talking about is roughly 4

2224
03:18:49,359 --> 03:18:53,199
and A2 Acres of that 60 and A2

2225
03:18:53,199 --> 03:18:55,560
Acres I want to make sure I'm answering

2226
03:18:55,560 --> 03:18:57,239
the question accurately as to the

2227
03:18:57,239 --> 03:18:59,720
drainage and the impacts with that so if

2228
03:18:59,720 --> 03:19:02,160
I may defer to Jeremy Blair the engineer

2229
03:19:02,160 --> 03:19:03,680
on that question I don't mean to

2230
03:19:03,680 --> 03:19:05,600
interrupt your presentation if you need

2231
03:19:05,600 --> 03:19:08,239
to address it later on feel free if

2232
03:19:08,239 --> 03:19:09,760
that's okay with the board sure

2233
03:19:09,760 --> 03:19:12,560
absolutely thank you thank you um the

2234
03:19:12,560 --> 03:19:15,640
original site plan as mentioned had

2235
03:19:15,640 --> 03:19:17,239
significantly more

2236
03:19:17,239 --> 03:19:20,279
of spaces on there I think it was

2237
03:19:20,279 --> 03:19:23,560
156 if I'm not mistaken but as a result

2238
03:19:23,560 --> 03:19:26,720
of the community meeting that proposed

2239
03:19:26,720 --> 03:19:30,840
site plan was reduced to the 106 so it

2240
03:19:30,840 --> 03:19:33,520
matches exactly the number of permitted

2241
03:19:33,520 --> 03:19:38,239
residential lots and as I said before it will just be

2242
03:19:38,239 --> 03:19:41,600
one space for residential lot and it's

2243
03:19:41,600 --> 03:19:44,439
purely a amenity for the neighborhood it

2244
03:19:44,439 --> 03:19:47,160
this is not it can't be rented it can't

2245
03:19:47,160 --> 03:19:50,160
be sort of sub leased out to a friend or

2246
03:19:50,160 --> 03:19:52,000
something like that that that's that's a

2247
03:19:52,000 --> 03:19:54,080
proposed condition for the board's

2248
03:19:54,080 --> 03:19:56,560
consideration so here's a slide showing

2249
03:19:56,560 --> 03:19:58,319
the overall reduction in the footprint

2250
03:19:58,319 --> 03:20:00,199
from the original plan to the revised

2251
03:20:00,199 --> 03:20:04,199
plan uh and again that was just to

2252
03:20:04,199 --> 03:20:06,560
minimi try to minimize the impact and

2253
03:20:06,560 --> 03:20:08,880
downsize the The Proposal based on the

2254
03:20:08,880 --> 03:20:12,120
community meeting and and frankly really

2255
03:20:12,120 --> 03:20:13,680
didn't need that many

2256
03:20:13,680 --> 03:20:17,199
spaces for the most part probably not

2257
03:20:17,199 --> 03:20:18,479
everybody in the neighborhood's going to

2258
03:20:18,479 --> 03:20:19,800
have a boat or an

2259
03:20:19,800 --> 03:20:23,680
RV uh so the idea of all the spaces at

2260
03:20:23,680 --> 03:20:27,439
106 being used is probably not likely

2261
03:20:27,439 --> 03:20:29,359
although certainly wanted to have the

2262
03:20:29,359 --> 03:20:32,399
ability for each lock to have a place to

2263
03:20:32,399 --> 03:20:33,920
put their boat or their RV but for the

2264
03:20:33,920 --> 03:20:35,960
most part it's probably not likely that

2265
03:20:35,960 --> 03:20:40,680
it would be maxed out with 106 boats or

2266
03:20:40,680 --> 03:20:43,520
RVs the Gated access as I mentioned is

2267
03:20:43,520 --> 03:20:47,199
set off of for sound row by

2268
03:20:47,199 --> 03:20:51,680
161 feet and that was to allow the

2269
03:20:51,680 --> 03:20:54,680
vehicles to sort of come in and it would

2270
03:20:54,680 --> 03:20:56,319
prevent sort of stacking onto Forest

2271
03:20:56,319 --> 03:21:00,000
sound Road there's ample space

2272
03:21:00,000 --> 03:21:01,760
there

2273
03:21:01,760 --> 03:21:05,600
and uh see Mr Cherry mentioned the the

2274
03:21:05,600 --> 03:21:07,239
land use plan I won't get into this in

2275
03:21:07,239 --> 03:21:08,920
detail I know they the staff did a very

2276
03:21:08,920 --> 03:21:11,560
good job going through that in the staff

2277
03:21:11,560 --> 03:21:15,600
packet um again this is consistent with

2278
03:21:15,600 --> 03:21:18,399
the residential nature of the approved

2279
03:21:18,399 --> 03:21:20,600
subdivision and it's again an amenity

2280
03:21:20,600 --> 03:21:22,600
for the residential

2281
03:21:22,600 --> 03:21:24,960
subdivision um I'm glad to go through

2282
03:21:24,960 --> 03:21:27,800
any of the policies or goals in the land

2283
03:21:27,800 --> 03:21:29,279
use plan if the board would would like

2284
03:21:29,279 --> 03:21:31,640
me to do that but again staff did a a

2285
03:21:31,640 --> 03:21:34,199
very good job of that in the staff

2286
03:21:34,199 --> 03:21:36,920
report um I would point out that this is

2287
03:21:36,920 --> 03:21:38,920
really a very minimal traffic impact

2288
03:21:38,920 --> 03:21:43,000
this is from the TRC notes but it's hard

2289
03:21:43,000 --> 03:21:45,960
to it's hard to really uh analyze what

2290
03:21:45,960 --> 03:21:49,600
the impact would be but uh the AM and PM

2291
03:21:49,600 --> 03:21:51,640
peak hour trips would be very minimal

2292
03:21:51,640 --> 03:21:54,560
this is not typically something that you

2293
03:21:54,560 --> 03:21:55,960
probably the higher use would be on the

2294
03:21:55,960 --> 03:21:58,080
weekends so it's not probably going to

2295
03:21:58,080 --> 03:22:00,160
coincide with what you would think of as

2296
03:22:00,160 --> 03:22:04,720
a weekday PM or am peak hour

2297
03:22:04,720 --> 03:22:07,359
trip and then in the staff report it

2298
03:22:07,359 --> 03:22:10,359
mentions here that the the the Trips

2299
03:22:10,359 --> 03:22:12,479
Again are going to be really really

2300
03:22:12,479 --> 03:22:14,319
pretty minimal when you're when I know

2301
03:22:14,319 --> 03:22:15,960
this board's used to looking at these

2302
03:22:15,960 --> 03:22:18,239
traffic tables and things and there's

2303
03:22:18,239 --> 03:22:19,760
significant numbers on there but with

2304
03:22:19,760 --> 03:22:22,000
two and three peak hour trips is really

2305
03:22:22,000 --> 03:22:22,760
pretty

2306
03:22:22,760 --> 03:22:26,080
minimal why does it say many

2307
03:22:26,080 --> 03:22:28,800
Warehouse I I don't know I think that

2308
03:22:28,800 --> 03:22:30,319
was that was going to be my question how

2309
03:22:30,319 --> 03:22:32,640
many were of those spaces were under

2310
03:22:32,640 --> 03:22:37,319
roof none no sir none none the the the

2311
03:22:37,319 --> 03:22:40,160
boat and RV spaces there there'll be no

2312
03:22:40,160 --> 03:22:41,520
uh sort of roofing structures or

2313
03:22:41,520 --> 03:22:44,000
anything like that commissioner n if I

2314
03:22:44,000 --> 03:22:47,239
may answer that question the wmpo uses

2315
03:22:47,239 --> 03:22:49,120
uh essentially a large book that

2316
03:22:49,120 --> 03:22:52,040
categorizes uses and then uh determines

2317
03:22:52,040 --> 03:22:54,199
a specific number of trips based on that

2318
03:22:54,199 --> 03:22:56,279
use and there's a note I believe on the

2319
03:22:56,279 --> 03:22:59,680
previous slide Mr Nichols uh it says

2320
03:22:59,680 --> 03:23:01,520
basically there's no comparable use to

2321
03:23:01,520 --> 03:23:03,880
what is being proposed so they chose

2322
03:23:03,880 --> 03:23:06,160
what they thought was most closely

2323
03:23:06,160 --> 03:23:09,160
aligned it's one of those uh technical

2324
03:23:09,160 --> 03:23:12,960
terms of art that I don't ever right so

2325
03:23:12,960 --> 03:23:15,520
um also that impervious surface what

2326
03:23:15,520 --> 03:23:17,600
will that be I know you have to have

2327
03:23:17,600 --> 03:23:19,840
something fairly solid to be pulling

2328
03:23:19,840 --> 03:23:23,160
boats in and out so and RVs so what will

2329
03:23:23,160 --> 03:23:26,279
that impervious surface SP I think the I

2330
03:23:26,279 --> 03:23:28,880
think the majority of it is perious yeah

2331
03:23:28,880 --> 03:23:31,319
all yeah Jeremy if you don't mind this

2332
03:23:31,319 --> 03:23:34,080
is uh Jeremy Blair with Paramount

2333
03:23:34,080 --> 03:23:36,479
engineering I'm sorry I misunderstood

2334
03:23:36,479 --> 03:23:39,600
that when I was hearing the conditions

2335
03:23:39,600 --> 03:23:42,279
all uh J Jeremy Blair civil engineer

2336
03:23:42,279 --> 03:23:50,080
with Paramount engineering so the the 61 ft stem apron is going to be a

2337
03:23:50,080 --> 03:23:52,239
pervious concrete which you know allows

2338
03:23:52,239 --> 03:23:54,399
for the the water to all soak through

2339
03:23:54,399 --> 03:23:56,680
and infiltrate and then the remainder is

2340
03:23:56,680 --> 03:23:59,680
a will be a a you know a structural

2341
03:23:59,680 --> 03:24:03,199
stone with a a geogrid which the EQ

2342
03:24:03,199 --> 03:24:06,680
recognizes as as perious as well okay

2343
03:24:06,680 --> 03:24:09,560
very good so while you're up there can

2344
03:24:09,560 --> 03:24:11,920
you answer my question about the clear

2345
03:24:11,920 --> 03:24:15,000
cutting of the trees yeah

2346
03:24:15,000 --> 03:24:18,479
so Mr said it's you know 4 and A2 Acres

2347
03:24:18,479 --> 03:24:22,399
out of 60 um and with it all being

2348
03:24:22,399 --> 03:24:25,479
perious all of the drainage is um

2349
03:24:25,479 --> 03:24:28,080
proposed to to soak into the ground not

2350
03:24:28,080 --> 03:24:30,479
run off so it'll be I'm G hold you to it

2351
03:24:30,479 --> 03:24:33,120
very similar to the to the current state

2352
03:24:33,120 --> 03:24:36,000
uh is certainly the uh

2353
03:24:36,000 --> 03:24:38,800
intent thank

2354
03:24:38,800 --> 03:24:41,399
you I think just a few more slides if I

2355
03:24:41,399 --> 03:24:44,319
may Mr chairman and then we'll U again

2356
03:24:44,319 --> 03:24:45,840
glad to answer any questions the

2357
03:24:45,840 --> 03:24:48,120
proposed conditions I know the staff

2358
03:24:48,120 --> 03:24:50,080
went through those um I'll just

2359
03:24:50,080 --> 03:24:53,080
highlight a few um we have to comply

2360
03:24:53,080 --> 03:24:54,359
with all the requirements in the

2361
03:24:54,359 --> 03:24:57,319
ordinance we have to meet all the local

2362
03:24:57,319 --> 03:24:58,840
state and federal

2363
03:24:58,840 --> 03:25:01,399
regulations um I mentioned the part

2364
03:25:01,399 --> 03:25:04,120
about it has it's purely private and for

2365
03:25:04,120 --> 03:25:06,640
the sanctuary for sound development

2366
03:25:06,640 --> 03:25:09,560
only um this part I I wanted to mention

2367
03:25:09,560 --> 03:25:12,920
um my client will be fully responsible

2368
03:25:12,920 --> 03:25:15,319
financially uh for the repair or damage

2369
03:25:15,319 --> 03:25:18,439
to any of the if anything happens to

2370
03:25:18,439 --> 03:25:19,720
Forest sound Road during the

2371
03:25:19,720 --> 03:25:22,880
construction of it he'll um repair that

2372
03:25:22,880 --> 03:25:25,239
at his cost um there is a road

2373
03:25:25,239 --> 03:25:27,080
maintenance agreement that's in place so

2374
03:25:27,080 --> 03:25:29,600
my client's already responsible for 50%

2375
03:25:29,600 --> 03:25:34,590
of of the cost of Maintenance of the

2376
03:25:34,600 --> 03:25:37,359
road Jeremy talked about the per the

2377
03:25:37,359 --> 03:25:41,080
pervious surface uh no dry stack

2378
03:25:41,080 --> 03:25:43,359
structures and then this was the wording

2379
03:25:43,359 --> 03:25:45,880
of the seventh condition in the staff

2380
03:25:45,880 --> 03:25:47,359
report

2381
03:25:47,359 --> 03:25:49,520
and the the one item we would ask the

2382
03:25:49,520 --> 03:25:51,640
board to consider

2383
03:25:51,640 --> 03:25:54,720
is after the planning board hearing we

2384
03:25:54,720 --> 03:26:00,439
discussed the possibility that the ncdeq

2385
03:26:00,439 --> 03:26:03,000
might have some different requirements

2386
03:26:03,000 --> 03:26:05,479
for the length of that or what surface

2387
03:26:05,479 --> 03:26:07,760
it would be so what we'd ask the board

2388
03:26:07,760 --> 03:26:11,279
to consider would be um adding that it

2389
03:26:11,279 --> 03:26:12,840
would be subject to modification of the

2390
03:26:12,840 --> 03:26:15,120
requirements of the permitting agencies

2391
03:26:15,120 --> 03:26:17,040
and condition number two and that would

2392
03:26:17,040 --> 03:26:20,040
really be only if when it gets to the

2393
03:26:20,040 --> 03:26:21,840
permitting at the state level if the

2394
03:26:21,840 --> 03:26:24,760
state for some reason doesn't want to

2395
03:26:24,760 --> 03:26:27,800
have 161 ft of perious concrete but want

2396
03:26:27,800 --> 03:26:29,359
say a lesser amount and some other

2397
03:26:29,359 --> 03:26:31,920
material there just so we're not out of

2398
03:26:31,920 --> 03:26:33,560
compliance with state

2399
03:26:33,560 --> 03:26:35,600
requirements um so we appreciate your

2400
03:26:35,600 --> 03:26:38,319
consideration of that change we just

2401
03:26:38,319 --> 03:26:40,160
don't know till we get to that part at

2402
03:26:40,160 --> 03:26:41,239
the state

2403
03:26:41,239 --> 03:26:43,840
level um planning board unanimously

2404
03:26:43,840 --> 03:26:47,080
recommended approval the planning staff

2405
03:26:47,080 --> 03:26:49,199
um I think did a great job with the

2406
03:26:49,199 --> 03:26:50,680
report and we're glad to answer any

2407
03:26:50,680 --> 03:26:52,640
questions that um that the board may

2408
03:26:52,640 --> 03:26:56,040
have and we appreciate appreciate your

2409
03:26:56,040 --> 03:26:59,720
time so what made the Lee Island connect

2410
03:26:59,720 --> 03:27:02,439
in 2015 when it was initially approved

2411
03:27:02,439 --> 03:27:03,960
it it stated that if there was any

2412
03:27:03,960 --> 03:27:06,880
modifications to this conditional zoning

2413
03:27:06,880 --> 03:27:09,600
adding structures or any other that that

2414
03:27:09,600 --> 03:27:12,040
would be reevaluated was it adequately

2415
03:27:12,040 --> 03:27:14,880
evaluated why the the First Street

2416
03:27:14,880 --> 03:27:16,520
connection off a lead Drive which would

2417
03:27:16,520 --> 03:27:20,359
make more sense for safety wise why was

2418
03:27:20,359 --> 03:27:23,600
that adequately evaluated and if so

2419
03:27:23,600 --> 03:27:26,199
what's the findings uh I'm going to

2420
03:27:26,199 --> 03:27:29,359
defer back to Jeremy or the land Planner

2421
03:27:29,359 --> 03:27:36,550
on that if they or my client Robert

2422
03:27:36,560 --> 03:27:39,880
Jackson can we get to the SL yeah to the

2423
03:27:39,880 --> 03:27:47,309
global slide

2424
03:27:47,319 --> 03:27:51,080
the area keep going designing there we

2425
03:27:51,080 --> 03:27:55,990
go right here right here okay is there a

2426
03:27:56,000 --> 03:27:59,160
pointer okay got I'm Robert Jackson uh

2427
03:27:59,160 --> 03:28:01,359
640 Maritime way topso Beach the

2428
03:28:01,359 --> 03:28:04,319
applicant um at Sanctuary at Forest

2429
03:28:04,319 --> 03:28:09,399
sound and uh yes answer your question um

2430
03:28:09,399 --> 03:28:11,080
we've got actually that's not this real

2431
03:28:11,080 --> 03:28:14,920
slide there's Wetland let me get back to

2432
03:28:14,920 --> 03:28:18,439
this is Upland the the white area

2433
03:28:18,439 --> 03:28:20,560
anything in Gray I think that's a gray

2434
03:28:20,560 --> 03:28:24,279
hash mark is wetlands and so we've

2435
03:28:24,279 --> 03:28:28,120
already we at the limit for a general

2436
03:28:28,120 --> 03:28:29,640
permit for the US Army Corps of

2437
03:28:29,640 --> 03:28:32,080
Engineers with our project that was

2438
03:28:32,080 --> 03:28:33,640
entailed from the beginning we're at a

2439
03:28:33,640 --> 03:28:37,439
half acre of wetland impacts so the core

2440
03:28:37,439 --> 03:28:40,199
will not issue a wetland fill permit if

2441
03:28:40,199 --> 03:28:43,399
you've already exceeded or at or not

2442
03:28:43,399 --> 03:28:46,439
exceeded if you at the fill permit or if

2443
03:28:46,439 --> 03:28:49,640
you have an Upland access so if you have

2444
03:28:49,640 --> 03:28:52,199
a way to get to your property Upland

2445
03:28:52,199 --> 03:28:54,080
versus filling the Wetland they say well

2446
03:28:54,080 --> 03:28:55,720
nice trial you need to go to the Upland

2447
03:28:55,720 --> 03:28:59,040
side and uh Mr Hall Alec Hall who

2448
03:28:59,040 --> 03:29:01,760
developed the original Forest sound

2449
03:29:01,760 --> 03:29:05,279
negotiated with Mr Howard the seller at

2450
03:29:05,279 --> 03:29:06,800
that time for all this property or the

2451
03:29:06,800 --> 03:29:09,520
owner of all this property that there

2452
03:29:09,520 --> 03:29:11,399
could be Ingress and egress for the

2453
03:29:11,399 --> 03:29:13,600
remaining Parcels that Mr Hall did not

2454
03:29:13,600 --> 03:29:15,720
buy onto Forest sound road which

2455
03:29:15,720 --> 03:29:17,520
includes the subject property that we're

2456
03:29:17,520 --> 03:29:21,760
discussing here tonight so um and so

2457
03:29:21,760 --> 03:29:23,880
there is no way to get to this Upland

2458
03:29:23,880 --> 03:29:26,720
site without coming through uh Forest

2459
03:29:26,720 --> 03:29:29,199
sound Road legally or to be able to

2460
03:29:29,199 --> 03:29:33,160
permit it yeah so yes sir we did and a

2461
03:29:33,160 --> 03:29:35,439
couple people at the community mentioned

2462
03:29:35,439 --> 03:29:37,399
well hey if you could get access this

2463
03:29:37,399 --> 03:29:39,600
isn't a an improved road but there is a

2464
03:29:39,600 --> 03:29:42,399
RightWay here if you could get access to

2465
03:29:42,399 --> 03:29:45,080
this right away could you put boat

2466
03:29:45,080 --> 03:29:48,000
storage in here Behind these homes on I

2467
03:29:48,000 --> 03:29:50,800
think this is Lee Drive but uh behind

2468
03:29:50,800 --> 03:29:52,600
the homes on lead drive and there isn't

2469
03:29:52,600 --> 03:29:55,199
enough width one there's no legal

2470
03:29:55,199 --> 03:29:57,160
RightWay built but there's not enough

2471
03:29:57,160 --> 03:30:00,760
width or turnaround or I mean it would

2472
03:30:00,760 --> 03:30:02,720
maybe you could get 10 boats in there or

2473
03:30:02,720 --> 03:30:04,239
something I mean it'd be very limited

2474
03:30:04,239 --> 03:30:06,880
for 106 lot neighborhood as you can see

2475
03:30:06,880 --> 03:30:10,439
the width of of this Upland area so we

2476
03:30:10,439 --> 03:30:12,840
did we did Analyze That to answer your

2477
03:30:12,840 --> 03:30:14,279
question but it just wasn't feasible for

2478
03:30:14,279 --> 03:30:16,279
this size project and I will say when we

2479
03:30:16,279 --> 03:30:19,000
did uh Mr bieberstein who's probably

2480
03:30:19,000 --> 03:30:22,479
know past but he represented us when we

2481
03:30:22,479 --> 03:30:25,920
um did this uh project initially and at

2482
03:30:25,920 --> 03:30:28,600
that time we didn't know the amenity I

2483
03:30:28,600 --> 03:30:31,160
mean we didn't we were in the infant uh

2484
03:30:31,160 --> 03:30:32,680
planning stages of the project so we

2485
03:30:32,680 --> 03:30:33,479
didn't know if we were going to have a

2486
03:30:33,479 --> 03:30:36,359
pool a boat storage a playground or what

2487
03:30:36,359 --> 03:30:39,000
have you so he included and it's on page

2488
03:30:39,000 --> 03:30:41,160
305 of the Udo because it was a

2489
03:30:41,160 --> 03:30:44,000
conditional use zoning case so it

2490
03:30:44,000 --> 03:30:46,840
included the proposed uses is within RM

2491
03:30:46,840 --> 03:30:49,880
cd1 residential mix this is under

2492
03:30:49,880 --> 03:30:55,359
rezoning proposal gry bll Inc that's us um the proposed uses are

2493
03:30:55,359 --> 03:30:57,359
residential mixed conditional zoning

2494
03:30:57,359 --> 03:30:59,800
District R telecommunications Tower

2495
03:30:59,800 --> 03:31:02,640
single family dwelling uh conventional

2496
03:31:02,640 --> 03:31:05,040
detached homes in other typical

2497
03:31:05,040 --> 03:31:08,560
neighborhood amenities which again we

2498
03:31:08,560 --> 03:31:10,199
we're here to say that we think in

2499
03:31:10,199 --> 03:31:12,120
pendra County a boat storage is a

2500
03:31:12,120 --> 03:31:14,760
typical neighborhood amenity um you know

2501
03:31:14,760 --> 03:31:16,760
if you have the land the accessibility

2502
03:31:16,760 --> 03:31:18,359
to have one it keeps people off the

2503
03:31:18,359 --> 03:31:20,120
highways you're in proximity of your

2504
03:31:20,120 --> 03:31:22,319
boat you can it's probably more secure

2505
03:31:22,319 --> 03:31:24,319
that way and you can get your family in

2506
03:31:24,319 --> 03:31:26,080
and out more quickly when the few times

2507
03:31:26,080 --> 03:31:28,399
you get to use

2508
03:31:28,399 --> 03:31:32,600
it so and I did have just for reference

2509
03:31:32,600 --> 03:31:36,640
legally um Mr bieberstein the seller's

2510
03:31:36,640 --> 03:31:40,840
attorney which was um U Mr uh Nunley I

2511
03:31:40,840 --> 03:31:43,640
believe and the hoa's attorney at the

2512
03:31:43,640 --> 03:31:45,520
time who I I don't know that remember

2513
03:31:45,520 --> 03:31:46,359
his name

2514
03:31:46,359 --> 03:31:49,800
reviewed the deed legal access from our

2515
03:31:49,800 --> 03:31:52,840
property to Forest sound Road prior to

2516
03:31:52,840 --> 03:31:55,040
even submitting and designing the site

2517
03:31:55,040 --> 03:31:56,920
and the title insurance company and all

2518
03:31:56,920 --> 03:31:59,399
three attorneys agreed that we had

2519
03:31:59,399 --> 03:32:01,640
unlimited access from Mr Howard's

2520
03:32:01,640 --> 03:32:04,040
original parcel which is now our parcel

2521
03:32:04,040 --> 03:32:06,800
to Forest sound Road in addition to that

2522
03:32:06,800 --> 03:32:09,720
in our community meeting we did ENT Enga

2523
03:32:09,720 --> 03:32:11,640
voluntarily in the in the community

2524
03:32:11,640 --> 03:32:14,720
meeting engage into a road maintenance

2525
03:32:14,720 --> 03:32:16,920
agreement with for sound Road

2526
03:32:16,920 --> 03:32:19,160
50/50 from our entrance to the

2527
03:32:19,160 --> 03:32:21,479
neighborhood that we built here the

2528
03:32:21,479 --> 03:32:24,399
entrance here it's approximately I think

2529
03:32:24,399 --> 03:32:26,080
it's approximately a mile don't hold me

2530
03:32:26,080 --> 03:32:30,120
to that to 17 we share in 50% of that

2531
03:32:30,120 --> 03:32:33,120
maintenance in addition to that um as

2532
03:32:33,120 --> 03:32:35,600
part of our agreement our private HOA

2533
03:32:35,600 --> 03:32:38,160
agreement or whatnot um we agreed to

2534
03:32:38,160 --> 03:32:41,000
repave that and we did do that it was

2535
03:32:41,000 --> 03:32:44,279
$92,000 to repave that section from our

2536
03:32:44,279 --> 03:32:48,520
entrance to 17 and also um the the HOA

2537
03:32:48,520 --> 03:32:51,319
negotiated a gated entrance I'm going to

2538
03:32:51,319 --> 03:32:55,520
say 30 or 40 feet to the east of our

2539
03:32:55,520 --> 03:32:57,279
entrance for

2540
03:32:57,279 --> 03:32:59,560
security um and we had agreed to pay

2541
03:32:59,560 --> 03:33:01,800
that I think it was $441,000

2542
03:33:01,800 --> 03:33:03,600
approximately um today they still

2543
03:33:03,600 --> 03:33:05,319
haven't gated it but they did put up two

2544
03:33:05,319 --> 03:33:09,920
brick columns so I think we in my view

2545
03:33:09,920 --> 03:33:13,399
we um we're a neighborly developer for

2546
03:33:13,399 --> 03:33:16,920
lack of a better way of describing it

2547
03:33:16,920 --> 03:33:18,800
are there any other

2548
03:33:18,800 --> 03:33:22,239
questions so as you know in the forest

2549
03:33:22,239 --> 03:33:23,520
sound road is going to become a Right

2550
03:33:23,520 --> 03:33:28,070
only turn in the next five or six

2551
03:33:28,080 --> 03:33:30,199
years I still think it would be better

2552
03:33:30,199 --> 03:33:35,040
to go down Dan 's drive across safety

2553
03:33:35,040 --> 03:33:36,960
wise and up Le drive and is going to be

2554
03:33:36,960 --> 03:33:38,760
trying to get in and out of far sound

2555
03:33:38,760 --> 03:33:40,600
Road Far sound road is a nightmare now

2556
03:33:40,600 --> 03:33:42,399
yeah no and pulling a boat out there I

2557
03:33:42,399 --> 03:33:43,800
could only imagine what it's like the

2558
03:33:43,800 --> 03:33:45,279
majority of the people that live in that

2559
03:33:45,279 --> 03:33:47,000
far you know have their own public or

2560
03:33:47,000 --> 03:33:50,399
private boat ramp yes sir um now we did

2561
03:33:50,399 --> 03:33:52,560
build I don't know if this I guess this

2562
03:33:52,560 --> 03:33:57,600
is this is um Second Street that um that

2563
03:33:57,600 --> 03:34:00,080
comes between Second Street starts on

2564
03:34:00,080 --> 03:34:01,760
lead drive and comes all the way to four

2565
03:34:01,760 --> 03:34:03,960
sound that's not an exact depiction of

2566
03:34:03,960 --> 03:34:06,680
it but it's close enough um this is

2567
03:34:06,680 --> 03:34:09,600
better um Second Street comes into here

2568
03:34:09,600 --> 03:34:11,399
and goes and cuts to for sound this is

2569
03:34:11,399 --> 03:34:14,600
our entrance this is a public DOT road

2570
03:34:14,600 --> 03:34:16,560
we were mandated by the County to make

2571
03:34:16,560 --> 03:34:17,920
that part of the I think it was The

2572
03:34:17,920 --> 03:34:20,439
Collector Street program or what's not

2573
03:34:20,439 --> 03:34:23,439
to make this a public DOT road and of

2574
03:34:23,439 --> 03:34:25,880
course and do will maintain it when we

2575
03:34:25,880 --> 03:34:29,199
um dedicate it to them so any Resident

2576
03:34:29,199 --> 03:34:32,080
which I would prefer also should in my

2577
03:34:32,080 --> 03:34:34,040
view with a boat and trailer should take

2578
03:34:34,040 --> 03:34:36,359
a right out of the facility come down

2579
03:34:36,359 --> 03:34:39,080
Second Street and head over to the light

2580
03:34:39,080 --> 03:34:41,120
and there's plenty a turning radius in

2581
03:34:41,120 --> 03:34:43,160
our new driveway entrance to take a

2582
03:34:43,160 --> 03:34:44,640
right or left understand it would be

2583
03:34:44,640 --> 03:34:46,199
shorter for them to

2584
03:34:46,199 --> 03:34:50,120
distance-wise to go up to 17 but if were

2585
03:34:50,120 --> 03:34:51,760
my if it were my family I'd say no let's

2586
03:34:51,760 --> 03:34:53,000
just go the long way and go to the

2587
03:34:53,000 --> 03:34:55,000
traffic signal but again that is going

2588
03:34:55,000 --> 03:34:57,080
to be up to the that's going to be the

2589
03:34:57,080 --> 03:34:58,479
prerogative of the

2590
03:34:58,479 --> 03:35:01,040
driver but um this this road is

2591
03:35:01,040 --> 03:35:02,920
installed and meets dot guidelines we

2592
03:35:02,920 --> 03:35:05,000
have a basic letter on it and it is set

2593
03:35:05,000 --> 03:35:16,630
up for dedication

2594
03:35:16,640 --> 03:35:20,110
any questions for the

2595
03:35:20,120 --> 03:35:22,279
applic thank

2596
03:35:22,279 --> 03:35:27,439
you Mr th is there public yes sir um Mr

2597
03:35:27,439 --> 03:35:30,479
Nichols I do Mr Blair or Mr Jackson have

2598
03:35:30,479 --> 03:35:32,800
anything else they want to say no sir

2599
03:35:32,800 --> 03:35:34,080
but only if the board ask questions

2600
03:35:34,080 --> 03:35:45,950
thank you thank you sir uh Brook Connor

2601
03:35:45,960 --> 03:35:47,479
hello my name is Brock Connor I live at

2602
03:35:47,479 --> 03:35:50,520
105 Hilltop Lane in Hamstead and um I'm

2603
03:35:50,520 --> 03:35:52,600
a resident of the forest can you speak

2604
03:35:52,600 --> 03:35:54,279
up or speak into the microphone I'm

2605
03:35:54,279 --> 03:35:57,080
having problems here is that better is

2606
03:35:57,080 --> 03:36:00,080
that better yes okay um do you want me

2607
03:36:00,080 --> 03:36:02,120
to repeat my address or my name I don't

2608
03:36:02,120 --> 03:36:04,880
need it okay um I am a resident of the

2609
03:36:04,880 --> 03:36:07,520
forest Sound Community um I'm also part

2610
03:36:07,520 --> 03:36:10,800
of the um HOA board and uh I'm here

2611
03:36:10,800 --> 03:36:13,120
tonight just to speak on behalf of our

2612
03:36:13,120 --> 03:36:15,120
community and the concerns that we have

2613
03:36:15,120 --> 03:36:16,279
uh over

2614
03:36:16,279 --> 03:36:20,040
um kg Plaza using our road for a sound

2615
03:36:20,040 --> 03:36:21,800
road for the access to their

2616
03:36:21,800 --> 03:36:24,800
amenity um I think one of the the

2617
03:36:24,800 --> 03:36:26,479
biggest concerns that um we haven't been

2618
03:36:26,479 --> 03:36:29,080
able to understand is why the um

2619
03:36:29,080 --> 03:36:32,000
revaluation for Access off of lead Drive

2620
03:36:32,000 --> 03:36:34,080
Extension as you were mentioning um had

2621
03:36:34,080 --> 03:36:37,840
not been evaluated um I did talk to um

2622
03:36:37,840 --> 03:36:39,760
Mr Jackson when we had the public

2623
03:36:39,760 --> 03:36:42,279
meeting and asked him specifically if he

2624
03:36:42,279 --> 03:36:44,239
had looked into any other options and he

2625
03:36:44,239 --> 03:36:46,080
told me that he had not

2626
03:36:46,080 --> 03:36:47,600
and I asked him if he'd be willing to do

2627
03:36:47,600 --> 03:36:50,279
so and he said he would consider it so I

2628
03:36:50,279 --> 03:36:52,040
don't know what else what other

2629
03:36:52,040 --> 03:36:54,000
evaluation has transpired since I had

2630
03:36:54,000 --> 03:36:56,239
that conversation with him but my

2631
03:36:56,239 --> 03:36:57,640
understanding was that basically he said

2632
03:36:57,640 --> 03:36:59,840
it's wetlands and there's nothing we can

2633
03:36:59,840 --> 03:37:00,760
do

2634
03:37:00,760 --> 03:37:03,560
to you know look for access from another

2635
03:37:03,560 --> 03:37:05,439
Direction and Forest sound road is our

2636
03:37:05,439 --> 03:37:08,120
only option so this means that there's

2637
03:37:08,120 --> 03:37:11,399
going to be a Boatyard in our community

2638
03:37:11,399 --> 03:37:14,520
an entrance in our community for another

2639
03:37:14,520 --> 03:37:16,920
community which is highly

2640
03:37:16,920 --> 03:37:19,560
irregular I'm sure that some of you live

2641
03:37:19,560 --> 03:37:22,040
in a community maybe you know it's gated

2642
03:37:22,040 --> 03:37:25,399
maybe it's not and I don't know that you

2643
03:37:25,399 --> 03:37:26,720
would ever think that you could be

2644
03:37:26,720 --> 03:37:28,319
driving down a road in your own

2645
03:37:28,319 --> 03:37:31,239
community and see another community's

2646
03:37:31,239 --> 03:37:33,920
Boatyard and the one of the other

2647
03:37:33,920 --> 03:37:37,720
concerns excuse me that we have is that

2648
03:37:37,720 --> 03:37:40,199
you know it's unsightly a Boatyard is

2649
03:37:40,199 --> 03:37:43,840
unsightly a Boatyard has you know large

2650
03:37:43,840 --> 03:37:46,040
trucks and trailers coming in and out of

2651
03:37:46,040 --> 03:37:48,000
it that's going to be you know further

2652
03:37:48,000 --> 03:37:50,880
damage to the road further traffic up at

2653
03:37:50,880 --> 03:37:55,239
the um at the the entrance to Forest

2654
03:37:55,239 --> 03:37:58,160
sound um up at Highway 17 I mean it's

2655
03:37:58,160 --> 03:37:59,800
already very difficult getting in and

2656
03:37:59,800 --> 03:38:01,600
out of there during the busy times and

2657
03:38:01,600 --> 03:38:02,800
now we're going to have you know boats

2658
03:38:02,800 --> 03:38:05,199
and trailers going in and out I just

2659
03:38:05,199 --> 03:38:07,040
feel like there hasn't been an

2660
03:38:07,040 --> 03:38:09,560
adequate uh time spent to evaluate

2661
03:38:09,560 --> 03:38:12,600
another option or Mr Jackson possibly

2662
03:38:12,600 --> 03:38:14,160
should have planned his community in

2663
03:38:14,160 --> 03:38:16,120
another way if he knew knew he wasn't

2664
03:38:16,120 --> 03:38:18,479
going to have the ability to build an

2665
03:38:18,479 --> 03:38:20,640
amenity and have access to that amenity

2666
03:38:20,640 --> 03:38:23,279
inside his own Community you know when

2667
03:38:23,279 --> 03:38:24,160
he

2668
03:38:24,160 --> 03:38:26,239
originally you know was laying out the

2669
03:38:26,239 --> 03:38:28,319
neighborhood I don't understand why that

2670
03:38:28,319 --> 03:38:29,920
should now be a consequence of the

2671
03:38:29,920 --> 03:38:34,319
residents of fora sound um so there are

2672
03:38:34,319 --> 03:38:36,880
many many concerns that the neighborhood

2673
03:38:36,880 --> 03:38:39,960
has these are a few um one of the other

2674
03:38:39,960 --> 03:38:41,319
things is

2675
03:38:41,319 --> 03:38:44,160
that they say it's only for residents

2676
03:38:44,160 --> 03:38:46,199
and they say it's it's not going to be

2677
03:38:46,199 --> 03:38:50,550
rented but how can you control

2678
03:38:50,560 --> 03:38:53,760
that I'm sorry is that are you speaking

2679
03:38:53,760 --> 03:38:55,920
on behalf of the HOA

2680
03:38:55,920 --> 03:38:59,399
yes she gets five minutes get two extra

2681
03:38:59,399 --> 03:39:01,920
minutes sorry okay sorry I didn't is

2682
03:39:01,920 --> 03:39:03,439
that my warning okay I'm sorry I've

2683
03:39:03,439 --> 03:39:07,199
never spoken at one of these

2684
03:39:07,199 --> 03:39:12,229
before um I'm sorry where was

2685
03:39:12,239 --> 03:39:16,239
I um

2686
03:39:16,239 --> 03:39:20,150
I'm sorry I lost my train of

2687
03:39:20,160 --> 03:39:22,800
thought one of the other concerns oh I'm

2688
03:39:22,800 --> 03:39:26,680
sorry yes the um they say that it's only

2689
03:39:26,680 --> 03:39:29,319
for residents and that cannot be rented

2690
03:39:29,319 --> 03:39:32,120
which how are you going to control that

2691
03:39:32,120 --> 03:39:34,560
this is an entrance to to a Boatyard

2692
03:39:34,560 --> 03:39:36,479
inside of our community for another

2693
03:39:36,479 --> 03:39:38,720
neighborhood and there is no way that

2694
03:39:38,720 --> 03:39:40,319
you can control whether or not they're

2695
03:39:40,319 --> 03:39:42,680
going to rent that out to people who

2696
03:39:42,680 --> 03:39:44,880
aren't in that Community once that HOA

2697
03:39:44,880 --> 03:39:46,760
is handed over to the residents who's

2698
03:39:46,760 --> 03:39:48,720
going to enforce that and that's going

2699
03:39:48,720 --> 03:39:51,600
to open our community up to potentially

2700
03:39:51,600 --> 03:39:54,640
you know new people coming in safety

2701
03:39:54,640 --> 03:39:56,520
concerns for people who are you know

2702
03:39:56,520 --> 03:39:57,840
coming into our neighborhood who have

2703
03:39:57,840 --> 03:39:59,800
never been in there before I mean having

2704
03:39:59,800 --> 03:40:01,520
a boat storage yard already in and of

2705
03:40:01,520 --> 03:40:04,439
itself is going to attract a possible

2706
03:40:04,439 --> 03:40:06,880
theft and other things like that and

2707
03:40:06,880 --> 03:40:08,600
it's just not it's just not right that

2708
03:40:08,600 --> 03:40:12,760
this would be that that our local

2709
03:40:12,760 --> 03:40:14,880
government would allow somebody to put

2710
03:40:14,880 --> 03:40:17,040
this type of of amenity into our

2711
03:40:17,040 --> 03:40:18,479
neighborhood I know it's their land but

2712
03:40:18,479 --> 03:40:20,479
the entrance all the activity everything

2713
03:40:20,479 --> 03:40:24,550
going on in there is happening from our

2714
03:40:24,560 --> 03:40:26,680
neighborhood the last thing that I want

2715
03:40:26,680 --> 03:40:29,479
to mention is that if this is actually

2716
03:40:29,479 --> 03:40:32,439
approved um I would I would think that

2717
03:40:32,439 --> 03:40:34,239
there should be of Greater consideration

2718
03:40:34,239 --> 03:40:36,680
for the buffer I think it's a 30 foot

2719
03:40:36,680 --> 03:40:39,120
buffer is what it states um we have I

2720
03:40:39,120 --> 03:40:41,760
think a 20 foot buffer today for the

2721
03:40:41,760 --> 03:40:43,800
community that they built there's no

2722
03:40:43,800 --> 03:40:46,000
buffer you see everything house you see

2723
03:40:46,000 --> 03:40:48,520
what everybody's doing in their backyard

2724
03:40:48,520 --> 03:40:52,760
um it's just a thin lining of trees and

2725
03:40:52,760 --> 03:40:55,199
to have only 10et more of a buffer

2726
03:40:55,199 --> 03:40:56,399
you're going to be able to see

2727
03:40:56,399 --> 03:40:58,279
everything sitting in that

2728
03:40:58,279 --> 03:41:01,239
Boatyard so if it comes down to the fact

2729
03:41:01,239 --> 03:41:04,560
that this board is going to approve then

2730
03:41:04,560 --> 03:41:06,760
at least give consideration for a larger

2731
03:41:06,760 --> 03:41:09,760
buffer thank you thank you thank you

2732
03:41:09,760 --> 03:41:18,189
Jesse Conor

2733
03:41:18,199 --> 03:41:20,359
how you doing uh Jesse Connor 105

2734
03:41:20,359 --> 03:41:23,600
Hilltop Lane Hamstead North Carolina

2735
03:41:23,600 --> 03:41:26,399
28443 um I think my wife did a pretty

2736
03:41:26,399 --> 03:41:28,760
good job speaking there but um just

2737
03:41:28,760 --> 03:41:30,520
wanted to reiterate the biggest thing is

2738
03:41:30,520 --> 03:41:34,520
the Lee Drive Extension my wife chased

2739
03:41:34,520 --> 03:41:38,760
down the Builder several times um asking

2740
03:41:38,760 --> 03:41:41,040
him about whether he had looked into the

2741
03:41:41,040 --> 03:41:43,680
lead Drive extension and is he always

2742
03:41:43,680 --> 03:41:45,680
had the same answer of um I haven't

2743
03:41:45,680 --> 03:41:47,399
really actually looked into it never did

2744
03:41:47,399 --> 03:41:50,359
the research so if he did do this

2745
03:41:50,359 --> 03:41:52,359
research my question to you guys is did

2746
03:41:52,359 --> 03:41:55,040
he actually submit it to

2747
03:41:55,040 --> 03:41:59,080
you um because I've yet to see anything

2748
03:41:59,080 --> 03:42:02,239
on on this lead Drive extension so if

2749
03:42:02,239 --> 03:42:03,800
he's got the uh if he's done the

2750
03:42:03,800 --> 03:42:05,760
investigation now why doesn't he release

2751
03:42:05,760 --> 03:42:07,439
that information to you

2752
03:42:07,439 --> 03:42:09,720
guys um the other thing I want to talk

2753
03:42:09,720 --> 03:42:12,359
about is his friendly building that he's

2754
03:42:12,359 --> 03:42:14,880
been doing um he's flooded out our

2755
03:42:14,880 --> 03:42:18,159
community Community uh during Florence

2756
03:42:18,159 --> 03:42:22,680
our Causeway flowed over the road we

2757
03:42:22,680 --> 03:42:25,199
just had her or this tropical storm that

2758
03:42:25,199 --> 03:42:26,760
came through Debbie is that what it was

2759
03:42:26,760 --> 03:42:30,000
this tropical storm um that came through

2760
03:42:30,000 --> 03:42:32,080
it flooded our Causeway that had never

2761
03:42:32,080 --> 03:42:35,040
happened before except Florence and then

2762
03:42:35,040 --> 03:42:37,479
now our Causeway is flooding why is that

2763
03:42:37,479 --> 03:42:39,479
happening it's happening because of his

2764
03:42:39,479 --> 03:42:41,760
Sanctuary that he built uh and it's

2765
03:42:41,760 --> 03:42:43,880
dumping all the water down through there

2766
03:42:43,880 --> 03:42:46,840
what's going to happen when we go and

2767
03:42:46,840 --> 03:42:49,040
take out another five acres of property

2768
03:42:49,040 --> 03:42:50,920
which you know we all know trees drink

2769
03:42:50,920 --> 03:42:53,800
what how much uh how much water a pine

2770
03:42:53,800 --> 03:42:55,840
tree I think can drink 300 gallons of

2771
03:42:55,840 --> 03:42:57,520
water in a day or something like that

2772
03:42:57,520 --> 03:42:59,680
like so he's taken out another 5 Acres

2773
03:42:59,680 --> 03:43:02,439
of property um and dumping more water

2774
03:43:02,439 --> 03:43:05,479
down to us he can talk about you know um

2775
03:43:05,479 --> 03:43:07,920
impervious all he wants or

2776
03:43:07,920 --> 03:43:11,680
perious um lastly this is another thing

2777
03:43:11,680 --> 03:43:13,600
that I'm worried about with

2778
03:43:13,600 --> 03:43:16,600
him he doesn't probably want to use this

2779
03:43:16,600 --> 03:43:19,840
lead Drive Extension because he's got 60

2780
03:43:19,840 --> 03:43:21,359
acres of land there he only wants to

2781
03:43:21,359 --> 03:43:23,640
build five acres or he want only wants

2782
03:43:23,640 --> 03:43:25,199
to do a five acre lot what's he going to

2783
03:43:25,199 --> 03:43:26,880
do with the rest of that is he going to

2784
03:43:26,880 --> 03:43:28,960
get this project done and then turn

2785
03:43:28,960 --> 03:43:30,880
around and come back to you guys and do

2786
03:43:30,880 --> 03:43:32,560
try to do something on lead Drive

2787
03:43:32,560 --> 03:43:35,520
Extension where he can put in some more

2788
03:43:35,520 --> 03:43:38,399
housing or some sort of other amenities

2789
03:43:38,399 --> 03:43:41,199
or sell it off to somebody uh some

2790
03:43:41,199 --> 03:43:44,000
commercial real estate place or whatever

2791
03:43:44,000 --> 03:43:45,560
and then it gets built up

2792
03:43:45,560 --> 03:43:49,000
on then so you know it's just it's the

2793
03:43:49,000 --> 03:43:52,399
same old same old the same old um bait

2794
03:43:52,399 --> 03:43:54,680
and switch these guys do they start they

2795
03:43:54,680 --> 03:43:56,840
start one project and they know what

2796
03:43:56,840 --> 03:43:58,239
they're going to do further down the

2797
03:43:58,239 --> 03:44:01,840
road and then they get that one done and

2798
03:44:01,840 --> 03:44:03,560
it's just like what he's doing with our

2799
03:44:03,560 --> 03:44:06,120
uh the access we had an agreement with

2800
03:44:06,120 --> 03:44:09,760
him for one access he's got that access

2801
03:44:09,760 --> 03:44:12,680
now he wants more I just wish you guys

2802
03:44:12,680 --> 03:44:14,680
would look into this and please do the

2803
03:44:14,680 --> 03:44:17,439
right thing thank

2804
03:44:17,439 --> 03:44:24,189
you thank you those are all the sign

2805
03:44:24,199 --> 03:44:27,560
Mr can I ask a question of uh attorney

2806
03:44:27,560 --> 03:44:33,229
Nicholls yes sir Mr

2807
03:44:33,239 --> 03:44:35,560
Nicholls I you may not be the

2808
03:44:35,560 --> 03:44:37,920
appropriate one to ask this question but

2809
03:44:37,920 --> 03:44:40,040
there was a comment made

2810
03:44:40,040 --> 03:44:43,399
about wanting additional access on the

2811
03:44:43,399 --> 03:44:46,760
forest sound Road when in fact when the

2812
03:44:46,760 --> 03:44:49,239
sanctuary project was

2813
03:44:49,239 --> 03:44:53,000
initially um proposed and originated

2814
03:44:53,000 --> 03:44:55,199
there was only one access now there's

2815
03:44:55,199 --> 03:45:01,199
two is that appro is that correct I I

2816
03:45:01,199 --> 03:45:08,630
don't know that that that's correct I I guess I guess my question should

2817
03:45:08,640 --> 03:45:12,920
be this boat storage

2818
03:45:12,920 --> 03:45:15,560
facility in in approved

2819
03:45:15,560 --> 03:45:19,399
Ming uh this

2820
03:45:19,399 --> 03:45:23,199
proposal would add an additional

2821
03:45:23,199 --> 03:45:26,159
access onto for sound

2822
03:45:26,159 --> 03:45:29,800
Road it would it would add an additional

2823
03:45:29,800 --> 03:45:32,560
access onto Forest sound Road yes I I'm

2824
03:45:32,560 --> 03:45:37,319
not um I may defer to my client here but

2825
03:45:37,319 --> 03:45:39,000
I don't know that I've seen a document

2826
03:45:39,000 --> 03:45:41,359
that says my client can have one access

2827
03:45:41,359 --> 03:45:44,000
and one access only I've read the road

2828
03:45:44,000 --> 03:45:45,960
maintenance agreement I have copies if

2829
03:45:45,960 --> 03:45:49,760
the board would like it um I know when

2830
03:45:49,760 --> 03:45:52,319
my client mentioned spent a a

2831
03:45:52,319 --> 03:45:54,120
significant amount of money impr

2832
03:45:54,120 --> 03:45:56,199
improving or sort of redoing Forest

2833
03:45:56,199 --> 03:45:59,359
sound Road um after the

2834
03:45:59,359 --> 03:46:01,520
development my client does have the

2835
03:46:01,520 --> 03:46:04,279
right to use Forest sound Road and I

2836
03:46:04,279 --> 03:46:06,640
understand and I'm I'm I appreciate what

2837
03:46:06,640 --> 03:46:07,640
the the neighbors are saying when

2838
03:46:07,640 --> 03:46:09,120
they're saying it's their Road or their

2839
03:46:09,120 --> 03:46:10,840
neighborhood but it's my client does

2840
03:46:10,840 --> 03:46:14,120
have the right to use it and and he did

2841
03:46:14,120 --> 03:46:16,600
construct the

2842
03:46:16,600 --> 03:46:18,199
I would say which is a benefit to

2843
03:46:18,199 --> 03:46:20,520
everybody the connector between Forest

2844
03:46:20,520 --> 03:46:23,359
sound Road and what eventually get you

2845
03:46:23,359 --> 03:46:24,680
to factory road so I think that's a

2846
03:46:24,680 --> 03:46:27,359
benefit for everybody well well let me

2847
03:46:27,359 --> 03:46:33,279
ask this other question yes ma'am the sanctuary as proposed and

2848
03:46:33,279 --> 03:46:36,520
developed if these residents were

2849
03:46:36,520 --> 03:46:40,560
putting that boat in their backyard yes

2850
03:46:40,560 --> 03:46:43,000
ma'am they would have the right to

2851
03:46:43,000 --> 03:46:45,560
travel down

2852
03:46:45,560 --> 03:46:48,800
this road to get to their home in that

2853
03:46:48,800 --> 03:46:51,239
existing access yes ma'am that's exactly

2854
03:46:51,239 --> 03:46:53,159
right they could park their boat in

2855
03:46:53,159 --> 03:46:54,960
their driveway I don't know that there's

2856
03:46:54,960 --> 03:46:58,199
any limitation on that but um they have

2857
03:46:58,199 --> 03:47:02,319
the right to use that road to bring

2858
03:47:02,319 --> 03:47:06,479
their RV down there U so so

2859
03:47:06,479 --> 03:47:08,399
theoretically I

2860
03:47:08,399 --> 03:47:10,640
guess if these homeowners in the

2861
03:47:10,640 --> 03:47:13,279
sanctuary had a boat they could drag it

2862
03:47:13,279 --> 03:47:15,640
down Force sound Road and put it in

2863
03:47:15,640 --> 03:47:18,319
their yard or they could drive it a

2864
03:47:18,319 --> 03:47:21,359
lesser distance down forest sound Road

2865
03:47:21,359 --> 03:47:22,840
and put it in

2866
03:47:22,840 --> 03:47:26,319
the in for safekeeping into the yes

2867
03:47:26,319 --> 03:47:29,880
ma'am yes ma'am I I that is correct and

2868
03:47:29,880 --> 03:47:31,760
um I think it goes to the issue too

2869
03:47:31,760 --> 03:47:34,000
about the concern about it perhaps being

2870
03:47:34,000 --> 03:47:37,520
unsightly but again this the gate itself

2871
03:47:37,520 --> 03:47:41,520
I can go back to that is is a 161

2872
03:47:41,520 --> 03:47:45,600
ft off of I find that

2873
03:47:45,600 --> 03:47:48,359
and and that and that buffer is what I

2874
03:47:48,359 --> 03:47:50,760
was trying to get

2875
03:47:50,760 --> 03:47:54,439
to earlier when I said how much of how

2876
03:47:54,439 --> 03:47:56,560
much of it under this canopy are you

2877
03:47:56,560 --> 03:47:57,680
going to

2878
03:47:57,680 --> 03:48:00,199
cut I don't think there's any intent to

2879
03:48:00,199 --> 03:48:02,319
cut any of the natural buffer you can

2880
03:48:02,319 --> 03:48:04,600
see the scale of this is you can see

2881
03:48:04,600 --> 03:48:07,000
where the 30 foot buffer is shown and I

2882
03:48:07,000 --> 03:48:09,920
think the 30 foot buffer type A4 is a

2883
03:48:09,920 --> 03:48:14,840
requirement but beyond that there's no intent to cut anything that

2884
03:48:14,840 --> 03:48:17,040
is does not need cut and there's quite a

2885
03:48:17,040 --> 03:48:19,080
bit of vegetation out there so but the

2886
03:48:19,080 --> 03:48:20,800
plan is showing and I think is required

2887
03:48:20,800 --> 03:48:23,319
to have that 30ft buffer but you can see

2888
03:48:23,319 --> 03:48:26,199
the extension before you even get to the

2889
03:48:26,199 --> 03:48:30,880
um the gate is another is another 130

2890
03:48:30,880 --> 03:48:34,600
feet yes ma'am okay thank you

2891
03:48:34,600 --> 03:48:38,880
um I was going to also mention here this

2892
03:48:38,880 --> 03:48:40,960
slide is somewhat deceptive in my view

2893
03:48:40,960 --> 03:48:43,479
this the white area just indicates

2894
03:48:43,479 --> 03:48:45,720
Uplands not clearing

2895
03:48:45,720 --> 03:48:49,239
so it's all wooded so the area that's

2896
03:48:49,239 --> 03:48:50,720
hatched here where the trailers and

2897
03:48:50,720 --> 03:48:52,560
boats and whatnot and the drive will go

2898
03:48:52,560 --> 03:48:56,760
through is 3.1 Acres of the

2899
03:48:56,760 --> 03:49:00,359
4 five acres of Upland so I think one of

2900
03:49:00,359 --> 03:49:02,199
your earlier question is how much are we

2901
03:49:02,199 --> 03:49:04,880
clearing of the site and we're only

2902
03:49:04,880 --> 03:49:06,840
clearing what's necessary for the

2903
03:49:06,840 --> 03:49:09,239
parking and the Ingress and egress so

2904
03:49:09,239 --> 03:49:11,319
and you said about four and a half acres

2905
03:49:11,319 --> 03:49:13,199
the whole site and then three point how

2906
03:49:13,199 --> 03:49:14,920
much are you going to clear

2907
03:49:14,920 --> 03:49:17,640
approximately 3.1 of the 4 and a half

2908
03:49:17,640 --> 03:49:21,359
acres okay so of the 60 Acres 3.1 Acres

2909
03:49:21,359 --> 03:49:24,720
will be cleared and um I don't know I'm

2910
03:49:24,720 --> 03:49:27,840
not good at this slide but um let's go

2911
03:49:27,840 --> 03:49:32,760
to the the Uplands area on Le yes ma'am

2912
03:49:32,760 --> 03:49:34,560
that accesses Le

2913
03:49:34,560 --> 03:49:37,239
okay what's the uploads

2914
03:49:37,239 --> 03:49:38,880
acreage

2915
03:49:38,880 --> 03:49:43,239
on Le I would have to

2916
03:49:43,239 --> 03:49:46,040
um get that bear with me one second I'm

2917
03:49:46,040 --> 03:49:47,040
G try

2918
03:49:47,040 --> 03:49:48,840
to I'm

2919
03:49:48,840 --> 03:49:53,080
sorry got the wrong guy driving um I did

2920
03:49:53,080 --> 03:49:55,880
want to mention there isn't back back to

2921
03:49:55,880 --> 03:49:57,960
the Ingress and erress just a little bit

2922
03:49:57,960 --> 03:50:01,199
when Mr Howard negotiated let's not

2923
03:50:01,199 --> 03:50:03,279
let's go back to the Uplands on lead

2924
03:50:03,279 --> 03:50:06,189
like I asked

2925
03:50:06,199 --> 03:50:14,750
him keep going go back to

2926
03:50:14,760 --> 03:50:17,120
she wants to lead Drive

2927
03:50:17,120 --> 03:50:19,880
the hi my name's Brad shmer land planner

2928
03:50:19,880 --> 03:50:21,880
with Paramount engineering um I'm

2929
03:50:21,880 --> 03:50:23,840
referring to this slide here cuz you see

2930
03:50:23,840 --> 03:50:25,960
in the vicinity map that is the actual

2931
03:50:25,960 --> 03:50:28,159
Wetlands the previous plan was the plan

2932
03:50:28,159 --> 03:50:31,040
from 2015 I'm asking the question show

2933
03:50:31,040 --> 03:50:33,640
me and tell me how much

2934
03:50:33,640 --> 03:50:37,199
Uplands is on that six roughly 60 acre

2935
03:50:37,199 --> 03:50:42,279
parcel that fronts Lee Drive or road or

2936
03:50:42,279 --> 03:50:44,399
whatever it is this little section right

2937
03:50:44,399 --> 03:50:47,520
here here is approximately 3.4

2938
03:50:47,520 --> 03:50:50,960
Acres I I can't see it yeah I'm sorry

2939
03:50:50,960 --> 03:50:51,880
where are

2940
03:50:51,880 --> 03:50:55,399
you right here in the top left corner oh

2941
03:50:55,399 --> 03:50:58,720
gotcha so how much acreage is that

2942
03:50:58,720 --> 03:51:01,560
Uplands it's approximately 3.4

2943
03:51:01,560 --> 03:51:05,560
Acres which is approximately the size of

2944
03:51:05,560 --> 03:51:08,600
the you should clear on the other amount

2945
03:51:08,600 --> 03:51:11,040
that you're going to clear to have

2946
03:51:11,040 --> 03:51:15,520
access on Forest sound Road correct and

2947
03:51:15,520 --> 03:51:18,159
so again tell me why you don't put the

2948
03:51:18,159 --> 03:51:21,760
boat storage on Lee well one ma'am we

2949
03:51:21,760 --> 03:51:24,239
would need to buffer that first so we

2950
03:51:24,239 --> 03:51:27,800
have residents living on Lee Drive so

2951
03:51:27,800 --> 03:51:29,600
I'm I'm just def giving difference to

2952
03:51:29,600 --> 03:51:31,840
those folks that live on lead Drive

2953
03:51:31,840 --> 03:51:34,120
we've got a site that will be almost

2954
03:51:34,120 --> 03:51:36,760
invisible from anybody even when you're

2955
03:51:36,760 --> 03:51:38,880
driving down for sound Road and Lead

2956
03:51:38,880 --> 03:51:41,239
drive because the way it's situated in

2957
03:51:41,239 --> 03:51:44,120
the trees number one understood and so

2958
03:51:44,120 --> 03:51:46,760
lead said

2959
03:51:46,760 --> 03:51:50,560
earlier that that up site that fronts

2960
03:51:50,560 --> 03:51:53,560
leaves is not sufficient in size for

2961
03:51:53,560 --> 03:51:55,199
your purposes it is not I was going to

2962
03:51:55,199 --> 03:51:57,359
say the second reason is after we buffer

2963
03:51:57,359 --> 03:52:00,720
that site at least 30 feet then the

2964
03:52:00,720 --> 03:52:03,600
width of it as you can see here the

2965
03:52:03,600 --> 03:52:06,080
width where we have the majority of our

2966
03:52:06,080 --> 03:52:09,199
boat storage from the Red Dot I don't

2967
03:52:09,199 --> 03:52:11,800
maybe Brad can tell me that exact width

2968
03:52:11,800 --> 03:52:14,800
we don't have that much geography feet

2969
03:52:14,800 --> 03:52:17,720
for the Ingress and egress of a boat the

2970
03:52:17,720 --> 03:52:21,960
trailer the 161 ft of storage and so on

2971
03:52:21,960 --> 03:52:24,520
so the the mechanics of the parking lot

2972
03:52:24,520 --> 03:52:26,439
will not work there if that makes sense

2973
03:52:26,439 --> 03:52:28,720
if you had to put a buffer or even

2974
03:52:28,720 --> 03:52:32,040
without a buffer to put put a 30 foot

2975
03:52:32,040 --> 03:52:35,279
buffer it would make the size not

2976
03:52:35,279 --> 03:52:39,880
workable for the Uplands parcel only yes

2977
03:52:39,880 --> 03:52:41,800
ma'am is is that a true statement that

2978
03:52:41,800 --> 03:52:45,239
is especially for 106 boat storage Lots

2979
03:52:45,239 --> 03:52:47,080
got I'm not saying we can't put any

2980
03:52:47,080 --> 03:52:48,640
there in my comment at the community

2981
03:52:48,640 --> 03:52:51,359
meeting was just intuitively by looking

2982
03:52:51,359 --> 03:52:54,920
at the geography it won't fit there but

2983
03:52:54,920 --> 03:52:56,439
I'm not saying no boats will fit there

2984
03:52:56,439 --> 03:52:58,479
I'm just saying a facility for the

2985
03:52:58,479 --> 03:53:01,159
neighborhood won't fit there okay I'm

2986
03:53:01,159 --> 03:53:05,189
just trying to sus

2987
03:53:05,199 --> 03:53:09,040
out reasons why we're not in accordance

2988
03:53:09,040 --> 03:53:12,040
with the comments that we've heard can I

2989
03:53:12,040 --> 03:53:14,840
ask staff a question yes ma'am is there

2990
03:53:14,840 --> 03:53:17,120
any way we could use a fencing rather

2991
03:53:17,120 --> 03:53:18,960
than a 30 foot

2992
03:53:18,960 --> 03:53:22,120
buffer uh yes ma'am certainly this is a

2993
03:53:22,120 --> 03:53:23,319
conditional resoning so there's

2994
03:53:23,319 --> 03:53:26,840
flexibility for the board to uh Place

2995
03:53:26,840 --> 03:53:28,159
conditions that you know if the

2996
03:53:28,159 --> 03:53:30,600
applicant approves to uh or consents to

2997
03:53:30,600 --> 03:53:33,720
those conditions um then that is

2998
03:53:33,720 --> 03:53:36,439
certainly a a possible

2999
03:53:36,439 --> 03:53:40,920
step okay thank you is this Uplands

3000
03:53:40,920 --> 03:53:43,800
three and a half acres on Uplands that

3001
03:53:43,800 --> 03:53:45,880
um

3002
03:53:45,880 --> 03:53:48,840
front Lee is that

3003
03:53:48,840 --> 03:53:51,680
wooded primarily yes ma'am okay there

3004
03:53:51,680 --> 03:53:54,040
spots that are cleared but I mean wooded

3005
03:53:54,040 --> 03:53:56,239
for the most but the Uplands area for

3006
03:53:56,239 --> 03:53:58,520
the most part is it just

3007
03:53:58,520 --> 03:54:02,920
as wooded as is the other parcel of

3008
03:54:02,920 --> 03:54:07,279
Uplands that fronts Forest sound I would

3009
03:54:07,279 --> 03:54:09,920
say it's very similar yes ma'am okay all

3010
03:54:09,920 --> 03:54:12,720
right pretty much the whole site all 60

3011
03:54:12,720 --> 03:54:16,000
Acres is is wooded is there anything

3012
03:54:16,000 --> 03:54:18,880
whether you do it on either Uplands

3013
03:54:18,880 --> 03:54:21,159
parcel is there anything that you could

3014
03:54:21,159 --> 03:54:23,319
think of because I'm

3015
03:54:23,319 --> 03:54:29,359
concerned um that there is um because of

3016
03:54:29,359 --> 03:54:32,159
the excuse me the sanctuary development

3017
03:54:32,159 --> 03:54:35,840
that there's additional water uh

3018
03:54:35,840 --> 03:54:38,680
flooding being experienced by other

3019
03:54:38,680 --> 03:54:42,239
homeowners around the sanctuary is there

3020
03:54:42,239 --> 03:54:45,760
anything or any convers ation or any

3021
03:54:45,760 --> 03:54:52,479
plans to do any drainage or directing

3022
03:54:52,479 --> 03:54:55,840
runoff wherever you clear for the boat

3023
03:54:55,840 --> 03:54:59,680
basins um beyond having it 100%

3024
03:54:59,680 --> 03:55:02,040
impervious there's not a project I've

3025
03:55:02,040 --> 03:55:05,760
ever done that's 100% impervious so when

3026
03:55:05,760 --> 03:55:08,479
we clear and when we install the Geotech

3027
03:55:08,479 --> 03:55:11,439
Fabric and the the the rock matter and

3028
03:55:11,439 --> 03:55:13,680
the impervious concrete it will all be

3029
03:55:13,680 --> 03:55:14,920
perious

3030
03:55:14,920 --> 03:55:17,920
so there is my answer would be I don't

3031
03:55:17,920 --> 03:55:19,479
know if there's anything else we could

3032
03:55:19,479 --> 03:55:22,439
do beyond that that would be in my view

3033
03:55:22,439 --> 03:55:25,560
the gold standard when you cut trees

3034
03:55:25,560 --> 03:55:27,319
will you agree with me that there would

3035
03:55:27,319 --> 03:55:30,040
be additional runoff yes ma'am no

3036
03:55:30,040 --> 03:55:32,920
there's no question I think that um part

3037
03:55:32,920 --> 03:55:35,120
of the problem I'm not just again I'm

3038
03:55:35,120 --> 03:55:37,199
rehashing the the area of the storm

3039
03:55:37,199 --> 03:55:39,199
water you're bringing up their Causeway

3040
03:55:39,199 --> 03:55:41,319
does flood when when Mr Hall did that

3041
03:55:41,319 --> 03:55:43,080
development he didn't do it under the

3042
03:55:43,080 --> 03:55:45,399
current storm water or really any storm

3043
03:55:45,399 --> 03:55:47,760
water regulations and at that time to my

3044
03:55:47,760 --> 03:55:49,720
knowledge the development ordinance

3045
03:55:49,720 --> 03:55:51,680
didn't require private roads to be built

3046
03:55:51,680 --> 03:55:54,600
to dat standards so I do agree they have

3047
03:55:54,600 --> 03:55:57,239
an issue there but that wasn't caused by

3048
03:55:57,239 --> 03:55:59,520
the sanctuary their issue was started in

3049
03:55:59,520 --> 03:56:01,760
the 80s or 90s when that development

3050
03:56:01,760 --> 03:56:04,600
Started Mr Hall was here you testify to

3051
03:56:04,600 --> 03:56:08,319
that but this particular development of

3052
03:56:08,319 --> 03:56:11,120
the boat storage is 100% impervious when

3053
03:56:11,120 --> 03:56:13,319
the trees come out the perious matter

3054
03:56:13,319 --> 03:56:15,880
goes in so we're going to

3055
03:56:15,880 --> 03:56:19,159
have again in my view the state of North

3056
03:56:19,159 --> 03:56:22,800
Carolina deer would tell you that a 100%

3057
03:56:22,800 --> 03:56:25,399
pervious parking lot is very hard to

3058
03:56:25,399 --> 03:56:27,279
come by I don't know of one in there

3059
03:56:27,279 --> 03:56:29,560
probably is one but I don't know of one

3060
03:56:29,560 --> 03:56:32,319
in east side of 17 and just as a

3061
03:56:32,319 --> 03:56:34,840
reference to the use I counted well

3062
03:56:34,840 --> 03:56:36,560
there's one in Salter's Haven not even

3063
03:56:36,560 --> 03:56:39,439
two or 3 hundred yards away there are 12

3064
03:56:39,439 --> 03:56:41,800
residential which I sent to Mr Adams in

3065
03:56:41,800 --> 03:56:44,319
my initial conversations there're 12

3066
03:56:44,319 --> 03:56:46,199
residential single family neighborhoods

3067
03:56:46,199 --> 03:56:47,920
with private boat storage facilities

3068
03:56:47,920 --> 03:56:51,960
today as we speak east of 17 in

3069
03:56:51,960 --> 03:56:54,479
Hampstead we're this isn't a unique

3070
03:56:54,479 --> 03:56:56,399
situation at all in my view matter of

3071
03:56:56,399 --> 03:56:58,880
fact it's a preferable one if you're a

3072
03:56:58,880 --> 03:57:01,279
boat owner in Pender County but most of

3073
03:57:01,279 --> 03:57:02,880
those are all designed inside of the

3074
03:57:02,880 --> 03:57:05,000
neighborhood sir yes sir they are and I

3075
03:57:05,000 --> 03:57:08,920
think there's some misnomer on the

3076
03:57:08,920 --> 03:57:12,399
Neighborhood Mr Howard Mr Hall did not

3077
03:57:12,399 --> 03:57:14,760
buy this track of land from Mr Howard he

3078
03:57:14,760 --> 03:57:16,760
only bought a portion of it so in

3079
03:57:16,760 --> 03:57:19,479
exchange for that he said you can bring

3080
03:57:19,479 --> 03:57:21,840
your private road through but I'm going

3081
03:57:21,840 --> 03:57:24,279
to have access to the road for for my

3082
03:57:24,279 --> 03:57:25,880
future seller or he could have developed

3083
03:57:25,880 --> 03:57:28,439
it a separate neighborhood so on any

3084
03:57:28,439 --> 03:57:32,880
public or private road if the owners of

3085
03:57:32,880 --> 03:57:35,159
forest sound or Mr Hall wanted to

3086
03:57:35,159 --> 03:57:36,640
protect the site they would have

3087
03:57:36,640 --> 03:57:38,439
purchased it and then they would have

3088
03:57:38,439 --> 03:57:40,279
been able to remove the access to Forest

3089
03:57:40,279 --> 03:57:43,720
sound road but as it stands at the time

3090
03:57:43,720 --> 03:57:46,239
Mr could have developed 20 lots that

3091
03:57:46,239 --> 03:57:49,600
front for sound Road or 50 or I don't

3092
03:57:49,600 --> 03:57:51,319
know how long it is but one every 100

3093
03:57:51,319 --> 03:57:54,199
fet to use ra zoning as an example so

3094
03:57:54,199 --> 03:57:56,840
that he didn't want to limit the access

3095
03:57:56,840 --> 03:57:58,960
for land he didn't sell to the

3096
03:57:58,960 --> 03:58:02,040
neighborhood to the east of him you know

3097
03:58:02,040 --> 03:58:05,120
Forest sound so it we are not this is a

3098
03:58:05,120 --> 03:58:07,000
private piece of property it's not in

3099
03:58:07,000 --> 03:58:08,680
the forest sound it's called Sanctuary

3100
03:58:08,680 --> 03:58:10,600
at for sound but it's not in their

3101
03:58:10,600 --> 03:58:12,120
neighborhood it was never part of their

3102
03:58:12,120 --> 03:58:13,680
neighborhood it wasn't a plat of their

3103
03:58:13,680 --> 03:58:15,840
neighborhood it was a separate parcel

3104
03:58:15,840 --> 03:58:19,760
that Mr Hall did not buy because because

3105
03:58:19,760 --> 03:58:24,199
it's a 60 acre parcel that from what

3106
03:58:24,199 --> 03:58:25,159
I've

3107
03:58:25,159 --> 03:58:29,760
gathered is 50 acres wetlands and 10

3108
03:58:29,760 --> 03:58:33,199
acres of Uplands in two different places

3109
03:58:33,199 --> 03:58:35,399
yeah well the whole parcel we bought was

3110
03:58:35,399 --> 03:58:38,080
127 Acres so the balance of that was up

3111
03:58:38,080 --> 03:58:39,760
talking about the parcel in question

3112
03:58:39,760 --> 03:58:43,040
here yes ma' roughly 60 Acres yes ma'am

3113
03:58:43,040 --> 03:58:45,600
that's true that's primar Wetlands yes

3114
03:58:45,600 --> 03:58:47,880
ma'am that's true and what's going to

3115
03:58:47,880 --> 03:58:51,319
happen when you cut five acres or 3 and

3116
03:58:51,319 --> 03:58:53,479
A2 Acres of the

3117
03:58:53,479 --> 03:58:56,520
Uplands what's going to happen with the

3118
03:58:56,520 --> 03:58:59,560
remainder remainder of the wetlands is

3119
03:58:59,560 --> 03:59:02,000
that going to make it worse bring the

3120
03:59:02,000 --> 03:59:05,120
water table up no I wouldn't say so maam

3121
03:59:05,120 --> 03:59:07,720
we're well within the diner guidelines I

3122
03:59:07,720 --> 03:59:09,680
mean we're I think beyond that as far as

3123
03:59:09,680 --> 03:59:12,359
it relates to having a perious facility

3124
03:59:12,359 --> 03:59:14,840
so I think anywhere in Pender County

3125
03:59:14,840 --> 03:59:17,399
that you develop near Wetlands there's

3126
03:59:17,399 --> 03:59:19,279
trees that are taken out and they have

3127
03:59:19,279 --> 03:59:21,399
to deal with that in the diner code in

3128
03:59:21,399 --> 03:59:24,239
the storm water code and there's there's

3129
03:59:24,239 --> 03:59:26,560
you can have high density which our our

3130
03:59:26,560 --> 03:59:29,680
project's low density so you can have

3131
03:59:29,680 --> 03:59:31,520
high density with storm water ponds and

3132
03:59:31,520 --> 03:59:33,399
have you know more more Lots or you can

3133
03:59:33,399 --> 03:59:35,680
have low density and I think what we've

3134
03:59:35,680 --> 03:59:37,399
designed here I know it meets the state

3135
03:59:37,399 --> 03:59:40,640
code but I think in addition to that

3136
03:59:40,640 --> 03:59:42,760
being 100% impervious I don't know of a

3137
03:59:42,760 --> 03:59:44,040
different way we could do it more

3138
03:59:44,040 --> 03:59:47,000
environmentally sensitive that I know of

3139
03:59:47,000 --> 03:59:49,040
yes sir thank you thank you I have a

3140
03:59:49,040 --> 03:59:52,399
question for Mr Adams Mr Adams currently

3141
03:59:52,399 --> 03:59:56,279
under the current Zone and if if it was

3142
03:59:56,279 --> 03:59:58,880
to stay just like it is and no action to

3143
03:59:58,880 --> 04:00:01,680
be taken what would Mr Jackson be by

3144
04:00:01,680 --> 04:00:03,960
right legally able to build or put there

3145
04:00:03,960 --> 04:00:09,920
right now nothing what's currently Zone it's a

3146
04:00:09,920 --> 04:00:13,399
conditional zoning District so when that

3147
04:00:13,399 --> 04:00:16,720
zoning District was approved that was uh

3148
04:00:16,720 --> 04:00:18,840
not designated for any use so if he were

3149
04:00:18,840 --> 04:00:21,120
to say propose to build more homes he'd

3150
04:00:21,120 --> 04:00:22,720
have to come back before this board to

3151
04:00:22,720 --> 04:00:26,000
amend that approval so he's not allowed

3152
04:00:26,000 --> 04:00:28,040
to to build anything on that site

3153
04:00:28,040 --> 04:00:34,510
without getting approval from this

3154
04:00:34,520 --> 04:00:37,960
board any other questions I have any

3155
04:00:37,960 --> 04:00:40,680
other questions yeah is this your

3156
04:00:40,680 --> 04:00:56,550
District or is this this is commissioner

3157
04:00:56,560 --> 04:00:58,319
so we're at a point

3158
04:00:58,319 --> 04:01:01,359
for a

3159
04:01:01,359 --> 04:01:05,080
motion if I if I may just add one thing

3160
04:01:05,080 --> 04:01:07,720
I I know the applicant had added a uh if

3161
04:01:07,720 --> 04:01:09,760
there is a motion to approve in those

3162
04:01:09,760 --> 04:01:10,840
conditions of approval I know the

3163
04:01:10,840 --> 04:01:13,399
applicant had added a portion on to the

3164
04:01:13,399 --> 04:01:15,159
last condition of approval and I just

3165
04:01:15,159 --> 04:01:19,239
want to clarify that um wouldn't that be

3166
04:01:19,239 --> 04:01:23,479
redundant that that modification that he

3167
04:01:23,479 --> 04:01:26,080
wanted on the condition with regards the

3168
04:01:26,080 --> 04:01:29,920
Ingress and egress width and composition

3169
04:01:29,920 --> 04:01:32,960
that it be in accordance with State and

3170
04:01:32,960 --> 04:01:36,920
um other agency requirements is that

3171
04:01:36,920 --> 04:01:40,880
what you're talking about yes ma'am do you have

3172
04:01:40,880 --> 04:01:45,560
that that you can pull up his um

3173
04:01:45,560 --> 04:01:47,239
modified

3174
04:01:47,239 --> 04:01:54,149
condition his proposed modified

3175
04:01:54,159 --> 04:01:57,080
condition I didn't see it there it is

3176
04:01:57,080 --> 04:01:59,439
okay what page is

3177
04:01:59,439 --> 04:02:02,520
that that's in um the applicant's

3178
04:02:02,520 --> 04:02:09,950
presentation so it's not in any of the

3179
04:02:09,960 --> 04:02:14,359
reports Mr Burton what say ye

3180
04:02:14,359 --> 04:02:16,680
well I think that the

3181
04:02:16,680 --> 04:02:20,760
um the applicant has done his due

3182
04:02:20,760 --> 04:02:23,159
diligence to improve the area I think he

3183
04:02:23,159 --> 04:02:27,510
spent a lot of money and got

3184
04:02:27,520 --> 04:02:34,870
some agreements with the HOA on the

3185
04:02:34,880 --> 04:02:37,520
roads and I think being all of that area

3186
04:02:37,520 --> 04:02:39,479
is going to be

3187
04:02:39,479 --> 04:02:42,159
pervious I would I would move the

3188
04:02:42,159 --> 04:02:44,560
motion with all his dut to move the

3189
04:02:44,560 --> 04:02:45,840
motion to approve the zoning map

3190
04:02:45,840 --> 04:02:48,800
Amendment uh the language is on page

3191
04:02:48,800 --> 04:02:52,199
15 I think I'm reading it okay finding

3192
04:02:52,199 --> 04:02:53,680
that the approval is consistent with the

3193
04:02:53,680 --> 04:02:55,399
following policies in Pender 2.0

3194
04:02:55,399 --> 04:02:59,359
comprehensive plan use policy 5.1. F

3195
04:02:59,359 --> 04:03:02,520
recommended by action 5.1.

3196
04:03:02,520 --> 04:03:05,239
K1 proposed resoning is consistent with

3197
04:03:05,239 --> 04:03:07,080
the low density residential funer land

3198
04:03:07,080 --> 04:03:09,439
use plan in the Pender County

3199
04:03:09,439 --> 04:03:13,800
2.0 comprehensive fuse plan proposal is

3200
04:03:13,800 --> 04:03:15,720
reasonable and in the public interest

3201
04:03:15,720 --> 04:03:18,640
because it potential to be generally

3202
04:03:18,640 --> 04:03:21,159
consistent with use with current land

3203
04:03:21,159 --> 04:03:23,199
uses in the

3204
04:03:23,199 --> 04:03:25,920
vicinity does your motion to approve

3205
04:03:25,920 --> 04:03:28,520
include the conditional

3206
04:03:28,520 --> 04:03:31,040
modification as yeah you can include the

3207
04:03:31,040 --> 04:03:33,560
conditional modification that if DEQ or

3208
04:03:33,560 --> 04:03:35,840
the state requires any

3209
04:03:35,840 --> 04:03:37,920
further uh on that

3210
04:03:37,920 --> 04:03:40,880
entrance that they be required

3211
04:03:40,880 --> 04:03:44,640
to meet that comply with

3212
04:03:44,640 --> 04:03:47,439
yes I'll second I have a motion to

3213
04:03:47,439 --> 04:03:48,600
Second all those in favor raise your

3214
04:03:48,600 --> 04:03:52,910
right hand any

3215
04:03:52,920 --> 04:03:55,760
opposed motion passes

3216
04:03:55,760 --> 04:04:01,710
32 thank

3217
04:04:01,720 --> 04:04:04,080
you me get back to where I was supposed

3218
04:04:04,080 --> 04:04:05,800
to

3219
04:04:05,800 --> 04:04:08,560
be provision to existing special use

3220
04:04:08,560 --> 04:04:10,399
permit that permitted industrial park in

3221
04:04:10,399 --> 04:04:12,359
Grady

3222
04:04:12,359 --> 04:04:15,479
Township yes sir Mr chairman thank

3223
04:04:15,479 --> 04:04:18,279
you um the second case on the agenda

3224
04:04:18,279 --> 04:04:20,439
this evening is a revision to an

3225
04:04:20,439 --> 04:04:22,800
existing special use permit yes sir yes

3226
04:04:22,800 --> 04:04:26,080
sir thank you um and we had one sign up

3227
04:04:26,080 --> 04:04:29,120
I believe if

3228
04:04:29,120 --> 04:04:33,600
uh yes just be SW Sol SAR the testimony

3229
04:04:33,600 --> 04:04:34,760
give his even be the truth the whole

3230
04:04:34,760 --> 04:04:38,279
truth so help you God yes sir I do and

3231
04:04:38,279 --> 04:04:43,910
SP confirm

3232
04:04:43,920 --> 04:04:45,680
thank you Mr Thurman U members of the

3233
04:04:45,680 --> 04:04:47,399
board again just a revision to an

3234
04:04:47,399 --> 04:04:49,840
existing special use permit uh that was

3235
04:04:49,840 --> 04:04:51,840
initially issued in 2009 and

3236
04:04:51,840 --> 04:04:54,359
subsequently revised in

3237
04:04:54,359 --> 04:04:57,680
2014 that permitted an industrial park

3238
04:04:57,680 --> 04:05:00,040
uh that we all know as Pender Commerce

3239
04:05:00,040 --> 04:05:02,479
Park um so I'm going to just go through

3240
04:05:02,479 --> 04:05:04,359
a a little bit of brief background on

3241
04:05:04,359 --> 04:05:06,040
this property and Orient the board with

3242
04:05:06,040 --> 04:05:08,439
the site and then I'll turn it over uh

3243
04:05:08,439 --> 04:05:10,840
to miss Spinx if she has anything to add

3244
04:05:10,840 --> 04:05:12,760
although she's really more here just to

3245
04:05:12,760 --> 04:05:14,359
answer any questions

3246
04:05:14,359 --> 04:05:16,239
should the board have them so the map on

3247
04:05:16,239 --> 04:05:19,600
the site um you can see the Pender

3248
04:05:19,600 --> 04:05:23,080
Commerce Park is outlined or or shaded

3249
04:05:23,080 --> 04:05:25,520
in a light blue color the subject

3250
04:05:25,520 --> 04:05:27,920
property is in red and the subject

3251
04:05:27,920 --> 04:05:30,439
property is approximately 15 Acres on

3252
04:05:30,439 --> 04:05:33,840
the east side of US Highway 421 just

3253
04:05:33,840 --> 04:05:36,920
north of the Pender new han County

3254
04:05:36,920 --> 04:05:39,040
Line and some background on this

3255
04:05:39,040 --> 04:05:41,760
property uh or on the Commerce Park if

3256
04:05:41,760 --> 04:05:44,960
you will on February 16th of 2009 a

3257
04:05:44,960 --> 04:05:46,840
special use permit was issued for an

3258
04:05:46,840 --> 04:05:48,120
industrial park that covered

3259
04:05:48,120 --> 04:05:51,800
approximately 378 Acres that special use

3260
04:05:51,800 --> 04:05:55,479
permit was revised in 2014 to expand the

3261
04:05:55,479 --> 04:05:56,560
industrial

3262
04:05:56,560 --> 04:06:00,199
park and then on September 21st of 2021

3263
04:06:00,199 --> 04:06:03,199
the county sold the approximately 15

3264
04:06:03,199 --> 04:06:06,600
acres to Philips leasing Systems

3265
04:06:06,600 --> 04:06:09,600
LLC here's a map of the site uh just to

3266
04:06:09,600 --> 04:06:11,399
give you some reference this is a

3267
04:06:11,399 --> 04:06:14,600
recorded map

3268
04:06:14,600 --> 04:06:17,640
the subject property is primarily zoned

3269
04:06:17,640 --> 04:06:19,600
Industrial in the general industrial

3270
04:06:19,600 --> 04:06:21,720
category although the tail falls in the

3271
04:06:21,720 --> 04:06:24,720
rural agricultural zoning

3272
04:06:24,720 --> 04:06:27,040
District just a couple photos of the

3273
04:06:27,040 --> 04:06:30,439
site standing across 421 looking East

3274
04:06:30,439 --> 04:06:33,279
towards the site um you can see that

3275
04:06:33,279 --> 04:06:35,319
there appears to be a stub all 421

3276
04:06:35,319 --> 04:06:37,560
that's barricaded and this is actually

3277
04:06:37,560 --> 04:06:39,920
standing on that stub looking Northeast

3278
04:06:39,920 --> 04:06:45,110
to the subject property

3279
04:06:45,120 --> 04:06:47,439
uh this slide is really just intended to

3280
04:06:47,439 --> 04:06:50,199
confirm to the board that removing this

3281
04:06:50,199 --> 04:06:52,159
property from the special you from the

3282
04:06:52,159 --> 04:06:53,520
special use permit that governs the

3283
04:06:53,520 --> 04:06:56,040
Commerce Park doesn't affect the

3284
04:06:56,040 --> 04:06:58,239
existing special use permit or have any

3285
04:06:58,239 --> 04:07:00,520
effect on the Commerce Park so you can

3286
04:07:00,520 --> 04:07:02,600
see that industrial parks are permitted

3287
04:07:02,600 --> 04:07:04,040
in the general industrial zoning

3288
04:07:04,040 --> 04:07:06,800
District via a special use permit and

3289
04:07:06,800 --> 04:07:09,279
they must have the following five items

3290
04:07:09,279 --> 04:07:11,479
that are listed on the board there by

3291
04:07:11,479 --> 04:07:14,640
removing these 15 Acres we're not uh

3292
04:07:14,640 --> 04:07:16,720
impairing the ability of the industrial

3293
04:07:16,720 --> 04:07:18,880
park to continue to operate or be

3294
04:07:18,880 --> 04:07:22,590
governed by the special use

3295
04:07:22,600 --> 04:07:24,800
permit uh the future land use map

3296
04:07:24,800 --> 04:07:28,000
designates this property as industrial

3297
04:07:28,000 --> 04:07:29,159
uh which is consistent with the

3298
04:07:29,159 --> 04:07:31,479
development pattern in this

3299
04:07:31,479 --> 04:07:33,880
area and on the screen are the findings

3300
04:07:33,880 --> 04:07:36,359
of fact uh that are in the Udo that the

3301
04:07:36,359 --> 04:07:39,399
board must make when uh issuing approval

3302
04:07:39,399 --> 04:07:41,319
of a special use permit or special use

3303
04:07:41,319 --> 04:07:44,040
permit revision this is this is the end

3304
04:07:44,040 --> 04:07:46,119
of staff's presentation again miss Spinx

3305
04:07:46,119 --> 04:07:48,279
is here representing the applicant um

3306
04:07:48,279 --> 04:07:49,600
she does not have a presentation

3307
04:07:49,600 --> 04:07:51,080
prepared and and really is just here to

3308
04:07:51,080 --> 04:07:55,229
answer question should the board have

3309
04:07:55,239 --> 04:07:58,520
them what's staff's recommendation we

3310
04:07:58,520 --> 04:08:01,000
generally don't make recommendations on

3311
04:08:01,000 --> 04:08:03,359
special use permits I I would say that

3312
04:08:03,359 --> 04:08:05,720
this is consistent with the future land

3313
04:08:05,720 --> 04:08:07,600
use plan the property is zoned

3314
04:08:07,600 --> 04:08:09,760
industrial so it's reasonable to expect

3315
04:08:09,760 --> 04:08:11,439
that Industrial Development will occur

3316
04:08:11,439 --> 04:08:14,520
on this site um on the new County side

3317
04:08:14,520 --> 04:08:16,960
south of you know south of the subject

3318
04:08:16,960 --> 04:08:19,560
site it's also zoned for heavy heavy

3319
04:08:19,560 --> 04:08:21,880
Industrial Development and the owner

3320
04:08:21,880 --> 04:08:24,439
owns the adjacent property on the new

3321
04:08:24,439 --> 04:08:29,149
han County side as

3322
04:08:29,159 --> 04:08:32,119
well is there any additional

3323
04:08:32,119 --> 04:08:34,359
questions or is there any questions for

3324
04:08:34,359 --> 04:08:39,030
the

3325
04:08:39,040 --> 04:08:41,840
applicant there are no questions is

3326
04:08:41,840 --> 04:09:04,590
there a motion

3327
04:09:04,600 --> 04:09:08,000
last call is there a motion to

3328
04:09:08,000 --> 04:09:10,840
approve motion to approve I have a

3329
04:09:10,840 --> 04:09:14,439
motion to approve is there a second there's a motion on a second all

3330
04:09:14,439 --> 04:09:17,439
those in favor raise your right

3331
04:09:17,439 --> 04:09:20,600
hand thank

3332
04:09:20,600 --> 04:09:25,510
you sorry about that you're

3333
04:09:25,520 --> 04:09:27,359
good

3334
04:09:27,359 --> 04:09:29,840
21.3 provision to an existing special

3335
04:09:29,840 --> 04:09:32,479
use permit that it prohibited permitted

3336
04:09:32,479 --> 04:09:34,920
a community boating facility in Long

3337
04:09:34,920 --> 04:09:37,640
Point estate's neighborhood with TOS

3338
04:09:37,640 --> 04:09:40,279
Township and Mr chairman this sup that

3339
04:09:40,279 --> 04:09:42,479
we will need to squar uh and we have a

3340
04:09:42,479 --> 04:09:43,880
number of sign ups

3341
04:09:43,880 --> 04:09:46,720
uh anyone who uh has signed up think say

3342
04:09:46,720 --> 04:09:48,840
may wish to speak on this matter uh

3343
04:09:48,840 --> 04:09:54,309
would please stand

3344
04:09:54,319 --> 04:09:58,080
be um testimony give be the truth the

3345
04:09:58,080 --> 04:09:59,560
whole truth so help you

3346
04:09:59,560 --> 04:10:03,710
God thank you

3347
04:10:03,720 --> 04:10:06,159
all good evening Mr chairman and members

3348
04:10:06,159 --> 04:10:08,080
of the board tonight we're here to

3349
04:10:08,080 --> 04:10:09,840
discuss a revision to a previously

3350
04:10:09,840 --> 04:10:12,239
issued special use permit for the longo

3351
04:10:12,239 --> 04:10:15,279
estate's home Owners Association um

3352
04:10:15,279 --> 04:10:17,239
there was a previous approval um last

3353
04:10:17,239 --> 04:10:21,439
year under Su case

3354
04:10:21,439 --> 04:10:23,920
2023-24 um for a special use permit for

3355
04:10:23,920 --> 04:10:26,080
the expansion of an existing Community

3356
04:10:26,080 --> 04:10:27,920
boating facility in the longpoint

3357
04:10:27,920 --> 04:10:30,560
estate's community at the time the

3358
04:10:30,560 --> 04:10:33,359
request was to add an additional five

3359
04:10:33,359 --> 04:10:36,119
boat slips to the existing facility

3360
04:10:36,119 --> 04:10:38,560
along Hughes Road bringing the total

3361
04:10:38,560 --> 04:10:42,199
number of boat slips on site to 10 in

3362
04:10:42,199 --> 04:10:43,960
addition to the existing

3363
04:10:43,960 --> 04:10:46,119
um boat

3364
04:10:46,119 --> 04:10:48,760
ramp which

3365
04:10:48,760 --> 04:10:50,479
brought

3366
04:10:50,479 --> 04:10:52,720
each property owner in the neighborhood

3367
04:10:52,720 --> 04:10:55,920
to have their own boat slip right so

3368
04:10:55,920 --> 04:10:57,119
we're going to talk a little bit more

3369
04:10:57,119 --> 04:10:59,159
about the the the use of the boat ramp

3370
04:10:59,159 --> 04:11:00,960
in question as that is a focus of the

3371
04:11:00,960 --> 04:11:04,239
request this evening so the revision

3372
04:11:04,239 --> 04:11:06,199
tonight seeks to allow a limited number

3373
04:11:06,199 --> 04:11:08,359
of hammock watch and Greystone residents

3374
04:11:08,359 --> 04:11:10,840
which are two nearby neighborhoods to

3375
04:11:10,840 --> 04:11:12,760
utilize the longo estate's Community

3376
04:11:12,760 --> 04:11:15,389
boat range

3377
04:11:15,399 --> 04:11:16,920
and as you can see here the subject

3378
04:11:16,920 --> 04:11:19,520
property is highlighted in in a black

3379
04:11:19,520 --> 04:11:21,600
pattern um the total acreage is around

3380
04:11:21,600 --> 04:11:25,080
two acres this is off of Hughes Road

3381
04:11:25,080 --> 04:11:27,560
near the end of Washington Acres Road

3382
04:11:27,560 --> 04:11:29,279
and I've highlighted some of the the

3383
04:11:29,279 --> 04:11:30,520
neighborhoods nearby you can see

3384
04:11:30,520 --> 04:11:33,239
Washington acres is to the north of the

3385
04:11:33,239 --> 04:11:35,359
property in question you have hammock

3386
04:11:35,359 --> 04:11:38,279
watch to the southwest and then Longo

3387
04:11:38,279 --> 04:11:41,520
Estates consists of a lot of the a lot

3388
04:11:41,520 --> 04:11:44,199
of the nearby residences

3389
04:11:44,199 --> 04:11:46,119
the subject parcels and the surrounding

3390
04:11:46,119 --> 04:11:49,000
area zone RP residential

3391
04:11:49,000 --> 04:11:51,279
performance and here's an aial of the

3392
04:11:51,279 --> 04:11:54,319
site um this is a bit dated since this

3393
04:11:54,319 --> 04:11:57,279
photo was taken and per the approval

3394
04:11:57,279 --> 04:11:58,920
from the last special use permit they

3395
04:11:58,920 --> 04:12:02,119
did build five additional boat slips for

3396
04:12:02,119 --> 04:12:04,399
individual Property Owners at the

3397
04:12:04,399 --> 04:12:06,600
site and as you can see there's an

3398
04:12:06,600 --> 04:12:09,520
existing boat ramp to the north of those

3399
04:12:09,520 --> 04:12:12,080
slips those were the five that were

3400
04:12:12,080 --> 04:12:13,760
previously approved

3401
04:12:13,760 --> 04:12:15,760
bringing the total on site of 10 which

3402
04:12:15,760 --> 04:12:19,000
again gives every single owner in the

3403
04:12:19,000 --> 04:12:22,279
HOA Community um an individual boat slip

3404
04:12:22,279 --> 04:12:24,000
most of which have their own at their

3405
04:12:24,000 --> 04:12:25,880
own properties which are for the most

3406
04:12:25,880 --> 04:12:28,279
part on the water themselves but this

3407
04:12:28,279 --> 04:12:30,439
provides boat slips for those those

3408
04:12:30,439 --> 04:12:33,640
owners do that do not have direct water

3409
04:12:33,640 --> 04:12:36,319
access and so here's an an aerial image

3410
04:12:36,319 --> 04:12:37,960
with the site plan as you can see

3411
04:12:37,960 --> 04:12:41,040
there's a there's a finston area here a

3412
04:12:41,040 --> 04:12:43,960
green area here that's been ly used for

3413
04:12:43,960 --> 04:12:47,000
parking there's parking on the interior

3414
04:12:47,000 --> 04:12:49,040
you can see that existing concrete boat

3415
04:12:49,040 --> 04:12:52,000
ramp they have a a covered shelter on

3416
04:12:52,000 --> 04:12:53,760
site as well and then directly to the

3417
04:12:53,760 --> 04:12:55,640
north you can see the Washington Acres

3418
04:12:55,640 --> 04:12:57,439
boat

3419
04:12:57,439 --> 04:12:59,520
ramp there are some Wetlands on the

3420
04:12:59,520 --> 04:13:01,399
property um which is common for for a

3421
04:13:01,399 --> 04:13:03,000
coastal area like this and I also want

3422
04:13:03,000 --> 04:13:05,399
to point out that a community boating

3423
04:13:05,399 --> 04:13:07,840
facility as a use is allowed via special

3424
04:13:07,840 --> 04:13:11,040
use permit by by the Board of

3425
04:13:11,040 --> 04:13:12,920
Commissioners so briefly I want to talk

3426
04:13:12,920 --> 04:13:14,439
about about what a community boating

3427
04:13:14,439 --> 04:13:16,520
facility is um per the unified

3428
04:13:16,520 --> 04:13:19,040
development ordinance a private

3429
04:13:19,040 --> 04:13:21,080
nonprofit boating facility with

3430
04:13:21,080 --> 04:13:22,880
navigable water Frontage which includes

3431
04:13:22,880 --> 04:13:25,199
a dock Pier or launching ramp which is

3432
04:13:25,199 --> 04:13:27,119
intended to serve five or more

3433
04:13:27,119 --> 04:13:29,680
residential units it must be controlled

3434
04:13:29,680 --> 04:13:32,439
or owned or controlled by a homeowners

3435
04:13:32,439 --> 04:13:35,479
association or any type of Development

3436
04:13:35,479 --> 04:13:37,800
Association or Collective Owners Group

3437
04:13:37,800 --> 04:13:39,359
where more than one family has

3438
04:13:39,359 --> 04:13:41,319
privileges to use the facility

3439
04:13:41,319 --> 04:13:43,080
commercial activities of any kind in

3440
04:13:43,080 --> 04:13:44,760
including commercial letting of slips to

3441
04:13:44,760 --> 04:13:46,439
parties that are not residents of the

3442
04:13:46,439 --> 04:13:52,070
association or development shall be

3443
04:13:52,080 --> 04:13:55,080
prohibited so as I mentioned originally

3444
04:13:55,080 --> 04:13:57,840
this special use permit was issued for

3445
04:13:57,840 --> 04:13:59,560
the residents and property owners of

3446
04:13:59,560 --> 04:14:01,800
Long Point Estates since that time they

3447
04:14:01,800 --> 04:14:03,960
have entered into a memorandum of

3448
04:14:03,960 --> 04:14:05,520
understanding with hammock watch and

3449
04:14:05,520 --> 04:14:07,800
Greystone to essentially create a

3450
04:14:07,800 --> 04:14:09,880
collective Owners Group to share in the

3451
04:14:09,880 --> 04:14:13,520
use of that boat ramp as moving forward

3452
04:14:13,520 --> 04:14:15,680
without these neighborhoods involved

3453
04:14:15,680 --> 04:14:17,119
there would the boat ramp would be

3454
04:14:17,119 --> 04:14:18,920
underutilized because each owner has

3455
04:14:18,920 --> 04:14:21,199
their own slip so this would allow the

3456
04:14:21,199 --> 04:14:23,800
that to be used by the neighboring

3457
04:14:23,800 --> 04:14:25,600
communities select neighboring

3458
04:14:25,600 --> 04:14:26,920
communities and just to be clear this

3459
04:14:26,920 --> 04:14:30,119
will be accessible by limited number of

3460
04:14:30,119 --> 04:14:31,520
folks in these

3461
04:14:31,520 --> 04:14:33,840
neighborhoods but the the the facility

3462
04:14:33,840 --> 04:14:36,119
itself is not growing or changing so the

3463
04:14:36,119 --> 04:14:38,640
capacity will remain the

3464
04:14:38,640 --> 04:14:41,159
same so here's some trip counts from the

3465
04:14:41,159 --> 04:14:43,080
last special use permit just kind of is

3466
04:14:43,080 --> 04:14:44,680
you know illustrating

3467
04:14:44,680 --> 04:14:47,800
that the additional five boat slips at

3468
04:14:47,800 --> 04:14:50,479
the time equated to around an additional

3469
04:14:50,479 --> 04:14:53,920
12 trips per day um which was an

3470
04:14:53,920 --> 04:14:56,119
additional one trip per peak hour in the

3471
04:14:56,119 --> 04:15:02,439
AM or PM um they actually did not have a trip count generation with the dot

3472
04:15:02,439 --> 04:15:06,000
that equaled an approximation for the

3473
04:15:06,000 --> 04:15:08,239
use of a boat ramp so the marina was the

3474
04:15:08,239 --> 04:15:09,720
closest thing for

3475
04:15:09,720 --> 04:15:12,399
that so here's some some photos of the

3476
04:15:12,399 --> 04:15:15,080
site um from last fall so you can see

3477
04:15:15,080 --> 04:15:18,159
there's a very very large grass area

3478
04:15:18,159 --> 04:15:20,840
along Hughes Road in between that you

3479
04:15:20,840 --> 04:15:22,720
see a marsh area that's grown up with

3480
04:15:22,720 --> 04:15:24,560
vegetation on the opposite side of this

3481
04:15:24,560 --> 04:15:26,239
would be those boat

3482
04:15:26,239 --> 04:15:28,319
slips and then if we Shuffle down the

3483
04:15:28,319 --> 04:15:30,760
street a bit we can see the gate that

3484
04:15:30,760 --> 04:15:33,800
takes you into the boat ramp um boat

3485
04:15:33,800 --> 04:15:35,520
ramp

3486
04:15:35,520 --> 04:15:38,279
area and so when we talk about special

3487
04:15:38,279 --> 04:15:40,640
use permits one of the requirements for

3488
04:15:40,640 --> 04:15:42,040
a special use permit is that is

3489
04:15:42,040 --> 04:15:44,199
consistent with the future land use plan

3490
04:15:44,199 --> 04:15:46,239
designation for that property which in

3491
04:15:46,239 --> 04:15:48,560
this case is Coastal residential which

3492
04:15:48,560 --> 04:15:50,159
is intended to preserve the County's

3493
04:15:50,159 --> 04:15:51,119
Coastal

3494
04:15:51,119 --> 04:15:53,920
character and it encourages unencumbered

3495
04:15:53,920 --> 04:15:56,319
access to public trust Coastal

3496
04:15:56,319 --> 04:15:58,960
Waters and appropriate land uses include

3497
04:15:58,960 --> 04:16:01,119
single family residences community

3498
04:16:01,119 --> 04:16:03,239
recreation open space uses and

3499
04:16:03,239 --> 04:16:06,239
water-based recreational uses so this

3500
04:16:06,239 --> 04:16:07,960
existing

3501
04:16:07,960 --> 04:16:10,560
facility is is in direct support of the

3502
04:16:10,560 --> 04:16:12,560
coastal residential intention um to

3503
04:16:12,560 --> 04:16:14,720
allow water access for those communities

3504
04:16:14,720 --> 04:16:16,319
and those

3505
04:16:16,319 --> 04:16:18,439
residents and so as you can see before

3506
04:16:18,439 --> 04:16:19,600
you these are these are the eight

3507
04:16:19,600 --> 04:16:21,960
requirements that have to be met for the

3508
04:16:21,960 --> 04:16:25,000
special use permit to be

3509
04:16:25,000 --> 04:16:27,520
issued and then these are the standard

3510
04:16:27,520 --> 04:16:30,000
conditions for for a special use permit

3511
04:16:30,000 --> 04:16:31,760
but again there's no proposed changes to

3512
04:16:31,760 --> 04:16:33,800
the site it's just a matter of letting

3513
04:16:33,800 --> 04:16:35,800
limited number of neighboring

3514
04:16:35,800 --> 04:16:39,119
communities use the underutilized boat

3515
04:16:39,119 --> 04:16:40,800
ramp moving

3516
04:16:40,800 --> 04:16:43,040
forward so that they may have direct

3517
04:16:43,040 --> 04:16:44,880
water

3518
04:16:44,880 --> 04:16:47,199
access are there any

3519
04:16:47,199 --> 04:16:49,880
questions any questions for staff this

3520
04:16:49,880 --> 04:16:53,760
may be a stupid question but back up to

3521
04:16:53,760 --> 04:16:56,680
the the one the last slide you were

3522
04:16:56,680 --> 04:17:01,510
talking about the

3523
04:17:01,520 --> 04:17:04,080
conditions the obligations imposed by

3524
04:17:04,080 --> 04:17:06,040
this permit will be the

3525
04:17:06,040 --> 04:17:09,439
responsibility of the property owner in

3526
04:17:09,439 --> 04:17:13,159
this case who is the property owner the

3527
04:17:13,159 --> 04:17:16,720
applicant HOA

3528
04:17:16,720 --> 04:17:21,279
or because we've got other residential

3529
04:17:21,279 --> 04:17:25,359
groups involved who who was responsible

3530
04:17:25,359 --> 04:17:29,840
for damage to this property if allowed

3531
04:17:29,840 --> 04:17:33,520
access the longo Estates HOA is the

3532
04:17:33,520 --> 04:17:34,920
property owner and to my knowledge

3533
04:17:34,920 --> 04:17:37,119
there's no intent to change that status

3534
04:17:37,119 --> 04:17:38,680
the agreement they've entered into is

3535
04:17:38,680 --> 04:17:40,840
not an ownership agreement it's merely

3536
04:17:40,840 --> 04:17:43,399
an agreement to utilize to use that

3537
04:17:43,399 --> 04:17:47,640
property unencumbered usage yes ma' new

3538
04:17:47,640 --> 04:17:49,640
members and they do and the applicant

3539
04:17:49,640 --> 04:17:51,239
can speak to this or the applicants

3540
04:17:51,239 --> 04:17:53,760
representative they do have some kind of

3541
04:17:53,760 --> 04:17:55,680
restrictions for those users that he'll

3542
04:17:55,680 --> 04:18:01,309
go over in his presentation sure thank

3543
04:18:01,319 --> 04:18:07,269
you any additional questions for

3544
04:18:07,279 --> 04:18:18,750
staff thank you thank you

3545
04:18:18,760 --> 04:18:23,950
is applicant

3546
04:18:23,960 --> 04:18:26,840
here good evening again Mr chairman and

3547
04:18:26,840 --> 04:18:28,920
members of the board uh I appreciate the

3548
04:18:28,920 --> 04:18:31,359
opportunity to speak again this evening

3549
04:18:31,359 --> 04:18:33,319
um I'm Matt Nichols uh I'm an attorney

3550
04:18:33,319 --> 04:18:35,040
in Wilmington and I'm representing the

3551
04:18:35,040 --> 04:18:37,159
longpoint Estates

3552
04:18:37,159 --> 04:18:39,960
HOA uh this evening they are the

3553
04:18:39,960 --> 04:18:45,000
applicant and the the property owner and uh with me here this evening are is

3554
04:18:45,000 --> 04:18:48,319
um Ellen Wartman she's an attorney um

3555
04:18:48,319 --> 04:18:51,080
she's the regular HOA attorney and I

3556
04:18:51,080 --> 04:18:53,040
asked Ellen to be here and thankfully

3557
04:18:53,040 --> 04:18:55,319
she was available to answer any

3558
04:18:55,319 --> 04:18:56,720
questions that the board may have and

3559
04:18:56,720 --> 04:18:59,199
also to make sure I'm speaking correctly

3560
04:18:59,199 --> 04:19:03,600
as to the HOA Long Point Estate so um

3561
04:19:03,600 --> 04:19:06,479
the um and Terry Williams one of our

3562
04:19:06,479 --> 04:19:10,000
board members is here and there may be a couple other board

3563
04:19:10,000 --> 04:19:13,159
members but um we have a series of

3564
04:19:13,159 --> 04:19:15,680
slides Mr chairman and I think that will

3565
04:19:15,680 --> 04:19:19,800
help explain the request and um if you

3566
04:19:19,800 --> 04:19:21,279
have any questions along the way please

3567
04:19:21,279 --> 04:19:25,119
don't hesitate to uh to to stop uh stop

3568
04:19:25,119 --> 04:19:28,800
me um this is uh the general vicinity of

3569
04:19:28,800 --> 04:19:33,279
the longpoint Estates boat ramp

3570
04:19:33,279 --> 04:19:38,040
property and here's sort of a closeup of the boat ramp property I know the

3571
04:19:38,040 --> 04:19:40,199
board members will be familiar with this

3572
04:19:40,199 --> 04:19:43,239
because uh last year late last year year

3573
04:19:43,239 --> 04:19:47,680
the board allow my client uh to uh build

3574
04:19:47,680 --> 04:19:50,560
five additional wet slips on the

3575
04:19:50,560 --> 04:19:53,399
Waterway so the boat ramp that we're

3576
04:19:53,399 --> 04:19:56,239
talking about tonight is located there

3577
04:19:56,239 --> 04:19:57,520
uh as

3578
04:19:57,520 --> 04:20:01,279
shown and then just an overall sort of a

3579
04:20:01,279 --> 04:20:04,000
vantage point of everything um that's

3580
04:20:04,000 --> 04:20:06,600
approximation of the of the same

3581
04:20:06,600 --> 04:20:10,359
property and then um right the the

3582
04:20:10,359 --> 04:20:12,720
yellow star represents the slips that

3583
04:20:12,720 --> 04:20:14,920
were there previously and then the blue

3584
04:20:14,920 --> 04:20:17,680
star is where this board um allowed the

3585
04:20:17,680 --> 04:20:20,760
additional five slips approved and I

3586
04:20:20,760 --> 04:20:22,680
believe it was December of

3587
04:20:22,680 --> 04:20:24,920
2023 and then to provide some further

3588
04:20:24,920 --> 04:20:28,479
context there's um the longpoint Estates

3589
04:20:28,479 --> 04:20:29,600
boat

3590
04:20:29,600 --> 04:20:33,040
ramp and then there's the neighboring

3591
04:20:33,040 --> 04:20:36,080
Washington Acres boat ramp which is not

3592
04:20:36,080 --> 04:20:38,319
part of this request at all it's a it's

3593
04:20:38,319 --> 04:20:40,159
a completely different facility and as

3594
04:20:40,159 --> 04:20:41,720
you'll see as you go through the these

3595
04:20:41,720 --> 04:20:43,880
slides they're they're different users

3596
04:20:43,880 --> 04:20:45,840
and it's it's just they happen to be

3597
04:20:45,840 --> 04:20:47,560
next to each

3598
04:20:47,560 --> 04:20:50,800
other so here's another view sort of a

3599
04:20:50,800 --> 04:20:55,080
street view of the longo Estates uh HOA

3600
04:20:55,080 --> 04:20:58,399
facility and then again here and then to

3601
04:20:58,399 --> 04:21:00,119
the left of the screen you can again see

3602
04:21:00,119 --> 04:21:03,319
the Washington Acres boat ramp and if

3603
04:21:03,319 --> 04:21:05,439
I'm not mistaken I I I don't know that

3604
04:21:05,439 --> 04:21:07,840
there's any access between the two I'll

3605
04:21:07,840 --> 04:21:10,960
maybe let um some of the other folks

3606
04:21:10,960 --> 04:21:12,600
speak to that but they're they're

3607
04:21:12,600 --> 04:21:15,159
separate parking areas separate separate

3608
04:21:15,159 --> 04:21:17,870
areas Al

3609
04:21:17,880 --> 04:21:20,040
together here's just another view

3610
04:21:20,040 --> 04:21:22,760
looking down Hughes Road and you can see

3611
04:21:22,760 --> 04:21:25,080
um the Gated area shown there in the

3612
04:21:25,080 --> 04:21:27,680
distance that's the Long Point of States

3613
04:21:27,680 --> 04:21:29,159
but also outside of the Gated area

3614
04:21:29,159 --> 04:21:31,040
there's quite a bit of parking

3615
04:21:31,040 --> 04:21:35,920
available um for uh vehicles and

3616
04:21:35,920 --> 04:21:40,080
trailers here's just another view of

3617
04:21:40,080 --> 04:21:43,399
that so um long point of States we

3618
04:21:43,399 --> 04:21:45,800
provided this just to show you kind of

3619
04:21:45,800 --> 04:21:48,040
where in proximity the two other

3620
04:21:48,040 --> 04:21:50,080
neighborhoods that were asking the board

3621
04:21:50,080 --> 04:21:52,479
to consider this evening are uh you can

3622
04:21:52,479 --> 04:21:54,520
see Longo Estates

3623
04:21:54,520 --> 04:21:57,000
here that's sort of a generalization of

3624
04:21:57,000 --> 04:21:58,800
where Longo Estates is and I'll I'll

3625
04:21:58,800 --> 04:22:00,319
come back to that with a little handout

3626
04:22:00,319 --> 04:22:02,560
I have but um there's Longo Estates and

3627
04:22:02,560 --> 04:22:04,080
then you can see Highway

3628
04:22:04,080 --> 04:22:07,119
17 and Greystone is the first

3629
04:22:07,119 --> 04:22:08,560
neighborhood that we're asking for the

3630
04:22:08,560 --> 04:22:12,720
board to consider to allow using the the

3631
04:22:12,720 --> 04:22:15,760
longo Estates boat ramp as I mentioned

3632
04:22:15,760 --> 04:22:18,399
before when this board approved the um

3633
04:22:18,399 --> 04:22:20,279
we appreciate the board approving the

3634
04:22:20,279 --> 04:22:22,159
ability to build those five additional

3635
04:22:22,159 --> 04:22:24,920
wet slips my understanding is now

3636
04:22:24,920 --> 04:22:27,279
everybody within the Long Point estate's

3637
04:22:27,279 --> 04:22:31,199
HOA now has a a wet slip either at their

3638
04:22:31,199 --> 04:22:34,680
lot or at that Community slip so the

3639
04:22:34,680 --> 04:22:37,159
boat ramp really isn't

3640
04:22:37,159 --> 04:22:39,600
utilized uh if you will in the same way

3641
04:22:39,600 --> 04:22:41,439
that a community that simply has a boat

3642
04:22:41,439 --> 04:22:44,040
ramp it's certainly convenient to get

3643
04:22:44,040 --> 04:22:46,720
boats in and out of in an emergency and

3644
04:22:46,720 --> 04:22:48,279
or maintenance and that sort of thing

3645
04:22:48,279 --> 04:22:50,000
but my understanding is most people are

3646
04:22:50,000 --> 04:22:52,880
keeping their boats at their slip which makes

3647
04:22:52,880 --> 04:22:56,119
sense um the Greystone Community is

3648
04:22:56,119 --> 04:22:58,880
shown here with the green um the green

3649
04:22:58,880 --> 04:23:01,960
star and we've got the subdivision map

3650
04:23:01,960 --> 04:23:04,159
here this is map book 46 at page 40 of

3651
04:23:04,159 --> 04:23:06,800
the Pender County registry and I believe

3652
04:23:06,800 --> 04:23:09,239
there's um representatives of Greystone

3653
04:23:09,239 --> 04:23:12,680
here this evening um but Greystone

3654
04:23:12,680 --> 04:23:15,760
consists of 35 lots and conveniently

3655
04:23:15,760 --> 04:23:17,119
they're actually all sort of shown on

3656
04:23:17,119 --> 04:23:19,680
one map and and these are the lots here

3657
04:23:19,680 --> 04:23:21,520
and to provide sort of some context

3658
04:23:21,520 --> 04:23:24,040
here's the Pender County GIS of

3659
04:23:24,040 --> 04:23:28,119
Washington Acres shown in uh sort of the

3660
04:23:28,119 --> 04:23:31,880
pink color and you can see that um

3661
04:23:31,880 --> 04:23:34,600
Greystone is really not part of

3662
04:23:34,600 --> 04:23:37,279
Washington Acres my understanding um

3663
04:23:37,279 --> 04:23:39,840
it's in it and surrounded by it but the

3664
04:23:39,840 --> 04:23:41,960
Greystone neighborhood is not allowed to

3665
04:23:41,960 --> 04:23:44,199
use the the Washington Acres boat ramp

3666
04:23:44,199 --> 04:23:47,239
so they they don't have access to

3667
04:23:47,239 --> 04:23:51,479
that currently the my guess would be if

3668
04:23:51,479 --> 04:23:53,760
someone were U if this is not allowed

3669
04:23:53,760 --> 04:23:57,279
tonight then they would be using a

3670
04:23:57,279 --> 04:23:59,840
public boat ramp and that would involve

3671
04:23:59,840 --> 04:24:01,439
um you know getting on Highway 17 and

3672
04:24:01,439 --> 04:24:03,880
either traveling north or south so in

3673
04:24:03,880 --> 04:24:05,800
considering this we do think that there

3674
04:24:05,800 --> 04:24:09,159
is a benefit to um both the Greystone

3675
04:24:09,159 --> 04:24:12,600
and the hammock watch communities of um

3676
04:24:12,600 --> 04:24:15,080
having much more direct access to the

3677
04:24:15,080 --> 04:24:16,800
water with the boats and not getting out

3678
04:24:16,800 --> 04:24:19,359
and putting the boat travel trail

3679
04:24:19,359 --> 04:24:22,119
trailering traffic on uh

3680
04:24:22,119 --> 04:24:24,760
17 so back to the map we've got

3681
04:24:24,760 --> 04:24:26,279
Greystone shown in green and then

3682
04:24:26,279 --> 04:24:28,040
hammock watch which is a smaller

3683
04:24:28,040 --> 04:24:30,080
Community but it's immediately adjacent

3684
04:24:30,080 --> 04:24:31,479
to Long Point

3685
04:24:31,479 --> 04:24:33,239
Estates

3686
04:24:33,239 --> 04:24:35,279
and again here's just the general

3687
04:24:35,279 --> 04:24:37,399
vicinity map of showing that and then

3688
04:24:37,399 --> 04:24:38,560
we've got

3689
04:24:38,560 --> 04:24:41,000
a here's a

3690
04:24:41,000 --> 04:24:45,560
map uh showing the 14 Lots um in Hammock

3691
04:24:45,560 --> 04:24:48,080
watch there's not one map of all of

3692
04:24:48,080 --> 04:24:49,840
hammock watch but this map happens to

3693
04:24:49,840 --> 04:24:53,359
show the 14 Lots shown here a couple

3694
04:24:53,359 --> 04:24:54,760
things I would point out with hammock

3695
04:24:54,760 --> 04:24:57,640
watch my understanding that there's a

3696
04:24:57,640 --> 04:24:59,439
community boating facility for hammock

3697
04:24:59,439 --> 04:25:03,560
watch so I believe it's nine of those

3698
04:25:03,560 --> 04:25:06,880
folks are have slips also at their own

3699
04:25:06,880 --> 04:25:08,720
facility and the reason I'm pointing

3700
04:25:08,720 --> 04:25:11,319
that out is because this really is I

3701
04:25:11,319 --> 04:25:12,920
don't think it's going to see like real

3702
04:25:12,920 --> 04:25:15,000
intense use from hammock watch it would

3703
04:25:15,000 --> 04:25:17,600
be to allow them to get their boats in

3704
04:25:17,600 --> 04:25:19,439
and out of in close proximity to their

3705
04:25:19,439 --> 04:25:20,560
neighborhood

3706
04:25:20,560 --> 04:25:24,520
also um but of course um we're asking

3707
04:25:24,520 --> 04:25:29,550
for their ability to to also use

3708
04:25:29,560 --> 04:25:32,239
it as uh Mr Brantley mentioned we are

3709
04:25:32,239 --> 04:25:36,040
proposing a number of boat ramp rules um

3710
04:25:36,040 --> 04:25:38,640
The Long Point estate's HOA would be who

3711
04:25:38,640 --> 04:25:40,680
would if if granted by the board would

3712
04:25:40,680 --> 04:25:43,479
be the recipient of the special use

3713
04:25:43,479 --> 04:25:46,000
permit and we would be responsible for

3714
04:25:46,000 --> 04:25:48,080
making sure all the rules are followed

3715
04:25:48,080 --> 04:25:50,479
there's any enforcement issues uh that

3716
04:25:50,479 --> 04:25:52,080
would be to the special use permit

3717
04:25:52,080 --> 04:25:54,560
applicant so it would be incumbent on us

3718
04:25:54,560 --> 04:25:56,439
to make sure that the rules are

3719
04:25:56,439 --> 04:25:58,600
followed but we have a number of rules

3720
04:25:58,600 --> 04:26:01,040
here in addition to any rules that this

3721
04:26:01,040 --> 04:26:03,359
board might request to be added as

3722
04:26:03,359 --> 04:26:05,950
conditions of

3723
04:26:05,960 --> 04:26:08,479
course the traffic impacts we think

3724
04:26:08,479 --> 04:26:10,920
would be pretty minimal with this like I

3725
04:26:10,920 --> 04:26:13,560
said the there's not a lot of traffic

3726
04:26:13,560 --> 04:26:14,880
with the boat ramp associated with

3727
04:26:14,880 --> 04:26:19,560
longpoint Estates um and um the other

3728
04:26:19,560 --> 04:26:21,960
neighborhoods we don't Envision a a

3729
04:26:21,960 --> 04:26:23,680
significant amount of traffic impact

3730
04:26:23,680 --> 04:26:26,309
from

3731
04:26:26,319 --> 04:26:30,199
this um I won't go can can I ask a

3732
04:26:30,199 --> 04:26:34,279
question um you say you don't expect a

3733
04:26:34,279 --> 04:26:37,159
significant traffic impact but looking

3734
04:26:37,159 --> 04:26:46,199
at this um roughly uh. n10 AC lot that's

3735
04:26:46,199 --> 04:26:48,239
gated

3736
04:26:48,239 --> 04:26:52,319
how has there been any calculations or

3737
04:26:52,319 --> 04:26:57,279
um I guess what I'm trying to get to is

3738
04:26:57,279 --> 04:27:01,439
You' got 40 on any given day you've got

3739
04:27:01,439 --> 04:27:07,119
35 Lots in Greystone yeah yes and five

3740
04:27:07,119 --> 04:27:10,479
from hammock watch because nine have

3741
04:27:10,479 --> 04:27:12,640
their own boat slips that's my

3742
04:27:12,640 --> 04:27:14,680
understanding so we're looking at

3743
04:27:14,680 --> 04:27:17,040
40 40

3744
04:27:17,040 --> 04:27:21,080
units residents if they all one sunny

3745
04:27:21,080 --> 04:27:23,960
day came and use this boat slip is there

3746
04:27:23,960 --> 04:27:28,239
sufficient parking for their um vehicle

3747
04:27:28,239 --> 04:27:32,040
and their trailer either inside that

3748
04:27:32,040 --> 04:27:35,960
fenced area or along for the additional

3749
04:27:35,960 --> 04:27:38,840
parking outside the fence without having

3750
04:27:38,840 --> 04:27:42,239
to park along hu Road

3751
04:27:42,239 --> 04:27:44,439
no ma'am there is not sufficient parking

3752
04:27:44,439 --> 04:27:46,319
if everybody wants to use the facility

3753
04:27:46,319 --> 04:27:48,279
at the same time that's that's pretty

3754
04:27:48,279 --> 04:27:51,000
clear um it would be again it would be

3755
04:27:51,000 --> 04:27:52,840
uncomon on us to have rules and

3756
04:27:52,840 --> 04:27:55,560
regulations so

3757
04:27:55,560 --> 04:27:58,359
that I think in the I would say the rare

3758
04:27:58,359 --> 04:28:02,239
case when everybody is trying to use it

3759
04:28:02,239 --> 04:28:04,159
and working under the assumption that

3760
04:28:04,159 --> 04:28:06,439
everybody has a boat which I I don't

3761
04:28:06,439 --> 04:28:07,479
think is the Assumption which is

3762
04:28:07,479 --> 04:28:10,119
ludicrous I know but just bear with me

3763
04:28:10,119 --> 04:28:13,399
yes ma'am is there any other places for

3764
04:28:13,399 --> 04:28:16,800
overflow parking for this facility if

3765
04:28:16,800 --> 04:28:20,239
you open it up to 40 more

3766
04:28:20,239 --> 04:28:22,920
residents no no ma'am the parking is

3767
04:28:22,920 --> 04:28:25,319
what's shown so I we don't want to

3768
04:28:25,319 --> 04:28:27,080
misrepresent to the board in any way

3769
04:28:27,080 --> 04:28:29,119
that if if

3770
04:28:29,119 --> 04:28:32,960
everyone who has a pass if if approved

3771
04:28:32,960 --> 04:28:35,159
has a pass wants to use the facility at

3772
04:28:35,159 --> 04:28:36,520
the same time there's simply not enough

3773
04:28:36,520 --> 04:28:39,760
parking there um I I won't speak for

3774
04:28:39,760 --> 04:28:41,239
Greystone I understand there's a

3775
04:28:41,239 --> 04:28:43,080
representative here may want to speak

3776
04:28:43,080 --> 04:28:45,000
but from what I understand of Greystone

3777
04:28:45,000 --> 04:28:47,520
for example I've been told that there's

3778
04:28:47,520 --> 04:28:50,159
roughly 29 homes built out so there's

3779
04:28:50,159 --> 04:28:52,560
still still a few empty lots there and

3780
04:28:52,560 --> 04:28:55,800
roughly a third or so have boats or

3781
04:28:55,800 --> 04:28:59,279
kayaks so I think that's probably I'm

3782
04:28:59,279 --> 04:29:01,080
going to guess that's maybe fairly

3783
04:29:01,080 --> 04:29:03,159
representative of a of your typical

3784
04:29:03,159 --> 04:29:05,520
subdivision not everyone is going to

3785
04:29:05,520 --> 04:29:08,279
have a boat um but a significant number

3786
04:29:08,279 --> 04:29:12,560
will for sure um but um

3787
04:29:12,560 --> 04:29:15,920
what is the capacity boat and vehicle

3788
04:29:15,920 --> 04:29:19,399
and trailer in in this area both inside

3789
04:29:19,399 --> 04:29:22,479
the gate and outside the gate looking

3790
04:29:22,479 --> 04:29:25,040
back at my notes from the previous

3791
04:29:25,040 --> 04:29:27,600
hearing um my understanding is within

3792
04:29:27,600 --> 04:29:28,479
the

3793
04:29:28,479 --> 04:29:34,040
gate for vehicles is roughly 20 to 22

3794
04:29:34,040 --> 04:29:37,399
vehicles within the gate vehicle meaning

3795
04:29:37,399 --> 04:29:41,159
the the motor vehicle and the trailer no

3796
04:29:41,159 --> 04:29:43,840
ma'am that just just the vehicle outside

3797
04:29:43,840 --> 04:29:46,399
of the gate my understanding is you

3798
04:29:46,399 --> 04:29:50,040
could have roughly 12 trucks with

3799
04:29:50,040 --> 04:29:51,960
trailers I don't know how that

3800
04:29:51,960 --> 04:29:53,880
translates I'm going to maybe defer to

3801
04:29:53,880 --> 04:29:55,920
my client and how they use this on an

3802
04:29:55,920 --> 04:29:58,199
everyday use but to give you an idea and

3803
04:29:58,199 --> 04:30:01,000
I'll go back to the aerial

3804
04:30:01,000 --> 04:30:03,880
um you can see a vehicle parked there

3805
04:30:03,880 --> 04:30:06,279
now I don't know if that I looks like

3806
04:30:06,279 --> 04:30:08,640
it's showing a trailer on the I'd have

3807
04:30:08,640 --> 04:30:11,040
to go closer to the screen to see but

3808
04:30:11,040 --> 04:30:13,680
just to provide an idea of how much

3809
04:30:13,680 --> 04:30:15,600
space is there now this I believe is

3810
04:30:15,600 --> 04:30:19,760
showing a vehicle U white color vehicle

3811
04:30:19,760 --> 04:30:25,880
on the spot now yeah Mr Pickles is I know Washington acres has been

3812
04:30:25,880 --> 04:30:27,359
there for years

3813
04:30:27,359 --> 04:30:29,880
but it looks significantly smaller and

3814
04:30:29,880 --> 04:30:31,159
there's a lot more residents in

3815
04:30:31,159 --> 04:30:33,239
Washington Acres how do they navigate

3816
04:30:33,239 --> 04:30:36,720
that busy weekend yes sir Wonder uh

3817
04:30:36,720 --> 04:30:38,600
again I my understanding is a lot more

3818
04:30:38,600 --> 04:30:40,399
people can use Washington Acres boat

3819
04:30:40,399 --> 04:30:43,720
ramp oh yeah that's my understanding so

3820
04:30:43,720 --> 04:30:46,040
um but we would be required to keep the

3821
04:30:46,040 --> 04:30:48,040
parking on site and if it was an an

3822
04:30:48,040 --> 04:30:50,520
issue then you referen 10 vehicles in

3823
04:30:50,520 --> 04:30:52,359
the gate because there's 10 boats going

3824
04:30:52,359 --> 04:30:53,560
to be in the slips and they're just

3825
04:30:53,560 --> 04:30:54,720
going to drive their vehicle down there

3826
04:30:54,720 --> 04:30:57,000
not going to bring a trailer I know that

3827
04:30:57,000 --> 04:30:59,119
yes or walk from their house yes sir yes

3828
04:30:59,119 --> 04:31:02,239
sir yeah so but um to be clear there's

3829
04:31:02,239 --> 04:31:05,479
not 40 parking spaces there's not enough

3830
04:31:05,479 --> 04:31:08,000
room for everybody to be using it at one

3831
04:31:08,000 --> 04:31:11,319
time uh but I I think the idea or the

3832
04:31:11,319 --> 04:31:14,800
assumption is is that um on the vast

3833
04:31:14,800 --> 04:31:16,680
majority of the days it's not going to

3834
04:31:16,680 --> 04:31:19,239
be an issue with parking Fourth of July

3835
04:31:19,239 --> 04:31:21,439
weekend that's probably going to be an

3836
04:31:21,439 --> 04:31:22,840
issue that they'll have to accommodate

3837
04:31:22,840 --> 04:31:24,800
and make rules and maybe not everyone

3838
04:31:24,800 --> 04:31:28,399
can use it at the same time so um or

3839
04:31:28,399 --> 04:31:30,479
busy summer weekend so that would

3840
04:31:30,479 --> 04:31:31,920
certainly be something that we we would

3841
04:31:31,920 --> 04:31:34,239
have to work through but I think other

3842
04:31:34,239 --> 04:31:36,479
um facilities of a similar nature

3843
04:31:36,479 --> 04:31:37,560
probably have to work through the same

3844
04:31:37,560 --> 04:31:40,510
issues

3845
04:31:40,520 --> 04:31:44,870
also so

3846
04:31:44,880 --> 04:31:49,359
um me go back to so right so I again I

3847
04:31:49,359 --> 04:31:51,520
don't know how many um lots are eligible

3848
04:31:51,520 --> 04:31:53,080
to use the Washington

3849
04:31:53,080 --> 04:31:55,560
Acres uh boat ramp but based upon my

3850
04:31:55,560 --> 04:31:57,239
limited research I think it's

3851
04:31:57,239 --> 04:31:58,920
significantly more than what we're

3852
04:31:58,920 --> 04:32:01,469
proposing

3853
04:32:01,479 --> 04:32:03,960
here

3854
04:32:03,960 --> 04:32:06,319
um the other thing I wanted I did want

3855
04:32:06,319 --> 04:32:08,159
to point this out just so we're clear

3856
04:32:08,159 --> 04:32:10,119
I've got a handout and and I apologize

3857
04:32:10,119 --> 04:32:11,399
that this did not make it into the

3858
04:32:11,399 --> 04:32:14,840
PowerPoint but if I may

3859
04:32:14,840 --> 04:32:18,279
um what we've got here and seeking just

3860
04:32:18,279 --> 04:32:20,520
wanted to get clarification from my

3861
04:32:20,520 --> 04:32:22,800
client what I what I've handed out is a

3862
04:32:22,800 --> 04:32:25,000
is really a two-page

3863
04:32:25,000 --> 04:32:27,920
handout and it's got yellow dots on it

3864
04:32:27,920 --> 04:32:32,119
and red dots on it and the yellow dots

3865
04:32:32,119 --> 04:32:36,119
represent the Lots within Long Point

3866
04:32:36,119 --> 04:32:39,080
Estates that are sort of part of the HOA

3867
04:32:39,080 --> 04:32:41,960
meaning they those 23 lots are are

3868
04:32:41,960 --> 04:32:45,159
currently allowed to use the longo

3869
04:32:45,159 --> 04:32:46,479
Estates boat

3870
04:32:46,479 --> 04:32:50,399
ramp the red lot the red dotted

3871
04:32:50,399 --> 04:32:52,560
lots and and this is where I may defer

3872
04:32:52,560 --> 04:32:56,439
to the HOA attorney on this because I'm I'm trying to understand it the um

3873
04:32:56,439 --> 04:32:58,080
the red dots are sort of you could say

3874
04:32:58,080 --> 04:33:00,000
are in longpoint Estates or their deed

3875
04:33:00,000 --> 04:33:01,560
may say they're in longpoint Estates but

3876
04:33:01,560 --> 04:33:04,320
they're not part of the HOA and they're

3877
04:33:04,320 --> 04:33:06,520
not they don't have the right to use the

3878
04:33:06,520 --> 04:33:09,039
boat ramp the red dots the red dots yes

3879
04:33:09,039 --> 04:33:12,199
ma'am so when you break down the number

3880
04:33:12,199 --> 04:33:14,920
of users within Longo Estates that who

3881
04:33:14,920 --> 04:33:16,600
I'm representing represented by the

3882
04:33:16,600 --> 04:33:18,920
yellow dots those are the folks now that

3883
04:33:18,920 --> 04:33:22,039
can use the boat ramp and my

3884
04:33:22,039 --> 04:33:23,199
understanding is all the folks

3885
04:33:23,199 --> 04:33:27,000
represented by a yellow dot they have a wet boat

3886
04:33:27,000 --> 04:33:29,920
slip so

3887
04:33:29,920 --> 04:33:32,199
um what we're asking the board to

3888
04:33:32,199 --> 04:33:36,600
consider is to allow 40 additional sort

3889
04:33:36,600 --> 04:33:39,480
of passes if you will from the two

3890
04:33:39,480 --> 04:33:42,119
neighborhoods 40 maximum

3891
04:33:42,119 --> 04:33:47,279
and it would allow that um the folks of

3892
04:33:47,279 --> 04:33:50,959
Greystone and of long of hammock watch

3893
04:33:50,959 --> 04:33:53,561
could utilize the boat ramp subject to

3894
04:33:53,561 --> 04:33:55,439
the rules and any conditions that the

3895
04:33:55,439 --> 04:33:59,080
board puts on that use and it would be

3896
04:33:59,080 --> 04:34:02,561
um I think a a significant convenience

3897
04:34:02,561 --> 04:34:04,680
to those neighborhoods it would help

3898
04:34:04,680 --> 04:34:06,439
alleviate

3899
04:34:06,439 --> 04:34:09,840
um traffic on 17 with folks going to the

3900
04:34:09,840 --> 04:34:12,439
public boat ramp or to another boat ramp

3901
04:34:12,439 --> 04:34:16,359
and again it's um something that

3902
04:34:16,359 --> 04:34:19,520
um I think would be a beneficial to an

3903
04:34:19,520 --> 04:34:23,400
under what is now a an underutilized

3904
04:34:23,400 --> 04:34:25,320
facility I

3905
04:34:25,320 --> 04:34:28,400
think I'm getting near the end of my

3906
04:34:28,400 --> 04:34:32,400
slides talked about traffic I I won't

3907
04:34:32,400 --> 04:34:33,760
talk too much about the comprehensive

3908
04:34:33,760 --> 04:34:35,359
plan it's in the staff report but I'm

3909
04:34:35,359 --> 04:34:36,840
glad to do

3910
04:34:36,840 --> 04:34:40,160
so um I do sort of outline the special

3911
04:34:40,160 --> 04:34:42,039
use permit criteria here but I know the

3912
04:34:42,039 --> 04:34:45,000
board knows knows those criteria well uh

3913
04:34:45,000 --> 04:34:46,719
special use permits for Community

3914
04:34:46,719 --> 04:34:48,840
boating facilities are allowed in this

3915
04:34:48,840 --> 04:34:50,879
District

3916
04:34:50,879 --> 04:34:53,561
um the we would contend that this is

3917
04:34:53,561 --> 04:34:57,359
consistent with the the area generally

3918
04:34:57,359 --> 04:34:59,359
you really need to only look next door

3919
04:34:59,359 --> 04:35:01,240
to Washington acres and you can see

3920
04:35:01,240 --> 04:35:04,080
there's a fairly similar proposed use

3921
04:35:04,080 --> 04:35:07,199
happening there now and what uh what we

3922
04:35:07,199 --> 04:35:09,080
would be asking for would be similar

3923
04:35:09,080 --> 04:35:10,240
with what you would see in coastal

3924
04:35:10,240 --> 04:35:12,600
Pender County and res Nal post tender

3925
04:35:12,600 --> 04:35:14,879
County with boat ramps and there's

3926
04:35:14,879 --> 04:35:17,039
really not a lot of boat ramps available

3927
04:35:17,039 --> 04:35:20,029
public or

3928
04:35:20,039 --> 04:35:23,520
private um no new structures are

3929
04:35:23,520 --> 04:35:27,119
proposed um subject to any the the rules

3930
04:35:27,119 --> 04:35:29,359
that were proposing in any conditions we

3931
04:35:29,359 --> 04:35:30,799
would have to comply with all applicable

3932
04:35:30,799 --> 04:35:32,719
CA rules and

3933
04:35:32,719 --> 04:35:35,199
regulations and that's that's goes

3934
04:35:35,199 --> 04:35:38,320
without saying and then um we would we

3935
04:35:38,320 --> 04:35:41,080
would ask the board to consider limiting

3936
04:35:41,080 --> 04:35:43,119
or allowing ing additional 40 Lots

3937
04:35:43,119 --> 04:35:45,320
within those two

3938
04:35:45,320 --> 04:35:47,039
subdivisions

3939
04:35:47,039 --> 04:35:50,920
and just to uh conclude the presentation

3940
04:35:50,920 --> 04:35:52,320
I'll go I'm glad to go through any of

3941
04:35:52,320 --> 04:35:54,959
the particular permits but again I'm I'm

3942
04:35:54,959 --> 04:35:58,080
sorry any of the particular criteria but

3943
04:35:58,080 --> 04:36:00,840
uh we would contend that the special use

3944
04:36:00,840 --> 04:36:03,520
permit criteria are met and this is uh

3945
04:36:03,520 --> 04:36:05,199
in some ways a modification to the

3946
04:36:05,199 --> 04:36:06,840
existing special use permit for the

3947
04:36:06,840 --> 04:36:09,439
community voting facility um to allow

3948
04:36:09,439 --> 04:36:12,080
the uh expanded use and the ordin does

3949
04:36:12,080 --> 04:36:13,840
allow under the Community voting

3950
04:36:13,840 --> 04:36:16,480
facility for there to be sort of a an

3951
04:36:16,480 --> 04:36:21,760
organization of I guess HOAs to um the

3952
04:36:21,760 --> 04:36:23,840
way the definition is would allow you to

3953
04:36:23,840 --> 04:36:26,920
consider this of course it's up to the

3954
04:36:26,920 --> 04:36:30,959
board and um we would contend that there

3955
04:36:30,959 --> 04:36:34,840
is sufficient parking for what we're

3956
04:36:34,840 --> 04:36:38,160
proposing um in the vast majority of

3957
04:36:38,160 --> 04:36:40,600
instances but like other uses I I do

3958
04:36:40,600 --> 04:36:42,920
want to say that as I said before you

3959
04:36:42,920 --> 04:36:44,240
could not Park everybody there at the

3960
04:36:44,240 --> 04:36:46,561
same time um and then that would be

3961
04:36:46,561 --> 04:36:47,680
something that we certainly would have

3962
04:36:47,680 --> 04:36:48,959
to work around because we would be

3963
04:36:48,959 --> 04:36:51,080
required to do that and not to be in

3964
04:36:51,080 --> 04:36:54,000
violation of the special use permit um

3965
04:36:54,000 --> 04:36:55,240
so that would be something we would have

3966
04:36:55,240 --> 04:36:57,680
to address with either times of use or

3967
04:36:57,680 --> 04:36:59,799
other rules and regulations to limit use

3968
04:36:59,799 --> 04:37:03,199
on um busy

3969
04:37:03,199 --> 04:37:06,279
days and um talked about the previous

3970
04:37:06,279 --> 04:37:07,799
special use

3971
04:37:07,799 --> 04:37:11,119
permit and then again it's uh we would

3972
04:37:11,119 --> 04:37:14,480
respect contend that for the propo the

3973
04:37:14,480 --> 04:37:16,279
scope of the proposed expansion that

3974
04:37:16,279 --> 04:37:18,959
there would be sufficient area there to

3975
04:37:18,959 --> 04:37:23,520
accommodate that um but of course we

3976
04:37:23,520 --> 04:37:25,359
appreciate the board's consideration of

3977
04:37:25,359 --> 04:37:28,600
that and we're certainly glad to

3978
04:37:28,600 --> 04:37:31,320
uh listen to any comments questions

3979
04:37:31,320 --> 04:37:32,840
concerns or additional conditions the

3980
04:37:32,840 --> 04:37:35,119
board may want to

3981
04:37:35,119 --> 04:37:37,320
consider uh I think I've said everything

3982
04:37:37,320 --> 04:37:39,439
Mr chairman that I had intended to say I

3983
04:37:39,439 --> 04:37:42,279
appreciate the board's time um I'm glad

3984
04:37:42,279 --> 04:37:43,879
to answer any questions and I think

3985
04:37:43,879 --> 04:37:46,959
there's some folks uh here to speak in

3986
04:37:46,959 --> 04:37:49,879
favor of it from from Long Point is

3987
04:37:49,879 --> 04:37:52,600
there any questions for the

3988
04:37:52,600 --> 04:37:55,760
applicant not this time so I have one

3989
04:37:55,760 --> 04:38:00,189
for Mr

3990
04:38:00,199 --> 04:38:03,119
Justin so we've had a had a boat ramp

3991
04:38:03,119 --> 04:38:05,439
that's had trouble with their erosion

3992
04:38:05,439 --> 04:38:07,920
control um is that one of the conditions

3993
04:38:07,920 --> 04:38:10,160
of this that they have to maintain the

3994
04:38:10,160 --> 04:38:12,240
parking parking lot

3995
04:38:12,240 --> 04:38:16,199
to a standard where the the runoff

3996
04:38:16,199 --> 04:38:19,840
doesn't run into the creek kind of like

3997
04:38:19,840 --> 04:38:21,080
you know one down the street we had

3998
04:38:21,080 --> 04:38:22,959
problems with with their keeping their

3999
04:38:22,959 --> 04:38:25,719
parking lot up with this much traffic

4000
04:38:25,719 --> 04:38:27,080
it's going to cause wear and tear than

4001
04:38:27,080 --> 04:38:30,760
what more than what they're used to now

4002
04:38:30,760 --> 04:38:33,920
um can we put conditions on on

4003
04:38:33,920 --> 04:38:35,920
maintaining that where it

4004
04:38:35,920 --> 04:38:38,600
doesn't pollute the

4005
04:38:38,600 --> 04:38:40,520
waterways I think so sir if the

4006
04:38:40,520 --> 04:38:45,830
applicants willing to agreed to that yes

4007
04:38:45,840 --> 04:38:49,119
sir yes sir uh that we don't want there

4008
04:38:49,119 --> 04:38:52,561
to be any issues with that so certainly

4009
04:38:52,561 --> 04:38:56,480
glad to agree a condition in that

4010
04:38:56,480 --> 04:38:58,799
regard any other questions for staff as

4011
04:38:58,799 --> 04:39:01,920
applicate I have a question for staff

4012
04:39:01,920 --> 04:39:03,799
would it be appropriate to ask for a

4013
04:39:03,799 --> 04:39:06,080
condition that the property owner shall

4014
04:39:06,080 --> 04:39:09,320
ensure parking is controlled in such a

4015
04:39:09,320 --> 04:39:11,359
manner that would preclude any OB

4016
04:39:11,359 --> 04:39:15,600
construction to the roadway of fuse road

4017
04:39:15,600 --> 04:39:17,959
that goes by it yes ma'am I think that

4018
04:39:17,959 --> 04:39:19,400
would be appropriate and I think the

4019
04:39:19,400 --> 04:39:22,561
applicant would agree thank you and just

4020
04:39:22,561 --> 04:39:24,520
to be clear you know Hughes Road is a

4021
04:39:24,520 --> 04:39:26,561
state road yes so that's not the

4022
04:39:26,561 --> 04:39:28,959
applicant's property yes I understand

4023
04:39:28,959 --> 04:39:32,240
that but they are responsible for the

4024
04:39:32,240 --> 04:39:35,840
way that the vehicles are parked along

4025
04:39:35,840 --> 04:39:39,000
the roadway easement to ensure that

4026
04:39:39,000 --> 04:39:42,440
there's no um

4027
04:39:42,440 --> 04:39:45,520
intrusion or intrusion onto the roadway

4028
04:39:45,520 --> 04:39:47,638
itself that would cause an unsafe

4029
04:39:47,638 --> 04:39:49,600
condition because you know as well as I

4030
04:39:49,600 --> 04:39:52,400
do on Fourth of July weekend people are

4031
04:39:52,400 --> 04:39:54,360
parking Every Which Way yes ma'am

4032
04:39:54,360 --> 04:39:56,560
absolutely and that's that's my only

4033
04:39:56,560 --> 04:39:59,440
concern and I don't know how they would

4034
04:39:59,440 --> 04:40:02,638
wish to word the condition but just have

4035
04:40:02,638 --> 04:40:04,600
a condition such that the

4036
04:40:04,600 --> 04:40:06,958
homeowner um the property owner the

4037
04:40:06,958 --> 04:40:09,520
homeowner group would be responsible for

4038
04:40:09,520 --> 04:40:12,160
ensuring that there's no hazardous

4039
04:40:12,160 --> 04:40:14,680
obstructions to traffic flow on Hughes

4040
04:40:14,680 --> 04:40:17,160
Road at or near their

4041
04:40:17,160 --> 04:40:19,760
property make an unsafe condition I

4042
04:40:19,760 --> 04:40:25,550
think that would be reasonable thank

4043
04:40:25,560 --> 04:40:36,230
you sign up Sir uh yes sir um Alton

4044
04:40:36,240 --> 04:40:38,920
lavesque thank you Mr chairman and

4045
04:40:38,920 --> 04:40:40,920
fellow board members to be able to speak

4046
04:40:40,920 --> 04:40:43,000
with you tonight my name is Alton lak

4047
04:40:43,000 --> 04:40:45,840
655 Hughes Road Hamstead I'm here

4048
04:40:45,840 --> 04:40:48,520
tonight uh in in opposition to this

4049
04:40:48,520 --> 04:40:51,360
special use permit for we believe the

4050
04:40:51,360 --> 04:40:53,200
longpoint board of directors does not

4051
04:40:53,200 --> 04:40:55,080
have the authority to make this revision

4052
04:40:55,080 --> 04:40:58,400
request due to restrictions on the deed

4053
04:40:58,400 --> 04:40:59,798
I have a copy of the deed and I have

4054
04:40:59,798 --> 04:41:02,320
some that I can provide to you exhibit a

4055
04:41:02,320 --> 04:41:04,920
of the deed the last paragraph States

4056
04:41:04,920 --> 04:41:07,040
the use of the boat ramp and Pier

4057
04:41:07,040 --> 04:41:10,638
located on track B-1 and repairing area

4058
04:41:10,638 --> 04:41:13,600
adjoining shall be restricted to the

4059
04:41:13,600 --> 04:41:15,760
owners of the Lots in Long points

4060
04:41:15,760 --> 04:41:18,560
Estates and the owners of boat slips

4061
04:41:18,560 --> 04:41:22,200
parking spaces docks adjoining track B-2

4062
04:41:22,200 --> 04:41:25,840
or those that may be added on or joining

4063
04:41:25,840 --> 04:41:27,560
B-2 in the

4064
04:41:27,560 --> 04:41:30,520
future we have Deeds as well and our

4065
04:41:30,520 --> 04:41:32,160
Deeds have restrictions as well when

4066
04:41:32,160 --> 04:41:34,920
Rober when Raven Hughes created all the

4067
04:41:34,920 --> 04:41:37,600
he owned all that land he didn't want

4068
04:41:37,600 --> 04:41:39,760
did not want an HOA to be able to come

4069
04:41:39,760 --> 04:41:41,280
in and change the character of the prod

4070
04:41:41,280 --> 04:41:43,638
property and so what he did is he wrote

4071
04:41:43,638 --> 04:41:46,400
restrictions into the deed to prevent an

4072
04:41:46,400 --> 04:41:48,680
HOA from overriding those restrictions

4073
04:41:48,680 --> 04:41:51,200
they exist in their deed today I have

4074
04:41:51,200 --> 04:41:53,480
restrictions in my Deed on who can use

4075
04:41:53,480 --> 04:41:55,958
my boat ramp as well we all do and I'd

4076
04:41:55,958 --> 04:41:57,680
like you to continue to honor that

4077
04:41:57,680 --> 04:42:01,638
restriction in the V where do you live

4078
04:42:01,638 --> 04:42:03,080
Hughes Road right up the street from the

4079
04:42:03,080 --> 04:42:06,040
boat ramp okay so you are you a red dot

4080
04:42:06,040 --> 04:42:08,480
or a yellow dot I didn't see any dots

4081
04:42:08,480 --> 04:42:11,718
Wasington Wast Washington AC I'm

4082
04:42:11,718 --> 04:42:13,840
Washington the Acres I'm I'm the boat

4083
04:42:13,840 --> 04:42:16,718
ramp right next to it oh

4084
04:42:16,718 --> 04:42:19,560
okay and longpoint state has the same

4085
04:42:19,560 --> 04:42:21,400
this is Longo State's

4086
04:42:21,400 --> 04:42:23,840
deed thank you

4087
04:42:23,840 --> 04:42:26,280
appreciate this is this is the property

4088
04:42:26,280 --> 04:42:28,480
in question that has the Restriction to

4089
04:42:28,480 --> 04:42:31,480
only the own property owners with you I

4090
04:42:31,480 --> 04:42:32,958
was

4091
04:42:32,958 --> 04:42:38,320
just okay so you were you are not a Long

4092
04:42:38,320 --> 04:42:40,760
Point no I'm not I'm not a Long Point I

4093
04:42:40,760 --> 04:42:43,320
am a vested interest because I have

4094
04:42:43,320 --> 04:42:45,760
access to the boat ramp adjacent to this

4095
04:42:45,760 --> 04:42:48,600
property and I'm in negatively impacted

4096
04:42:48,600 --> 04:42:50,760
as a result of this

4097
04:42:50,760 --> 04:42:53,000
change yes

4098
04:42:53,000 --> 04:42:56,798
ma'am out of being a Washington Acres

4099
04:42:56,798 --> 04:43:00,760
resident you don't this is the weekends

4100
04:43:00,760 --> 04:43:03,320
down there so that's parking on the side

4101
04:43:03,320 --> 04:43:06,200
of the road correct that's and it's also

4102
04:43:06,200 --> 04:43:07,958
they are they for the last few years

4103
04:43:07,958 --> 04:43:10,360
they have been violating the community

4104
04:43:10,360 --> 04:43:13,280
boating facility by selling permits

4105
04:43:13,280 --> 04:43:15,280
conducting commercial operations on that

4106
04:43:15,280 --> 04:43:18,240
ramp I would like I have a Facebook post

4107
04:43:18,240 --> 04:43:20,400
where they have advertise that they are

4108
04:43:20,400 --> 04:43:22,718
open for business they who long

4109
04:43:22,718 --> 04:43:26,320
appointed States longpoint homeowners

4110
04:43:26,320 --> 04:43:28,240
association yes

4111
04:43:28,240 --> 04:43:31,920
ma'am if I may approach I can I can

4112
04:43:31,920 --> 04:43:34,480
share that with you hand it to the clerk

4113
04:43:34,480 --> 04:43:37,080
you wish oh pass it to us and if I and

4114
04:43:37,080 --> 04:43:42,440
if I made read it this is well

4115
04:43:42,440 --> 04:43:44,160
we'll Grant you a few extra seconds

4116
04:43:44,160 --> 04:43:45,280
since

4117
04:43:45,280 --> 04:43:48,280
you yes ma'am uh good morning this is

4118
04:43:48,280 --> 04:43:52,400
dated December 19th 2021 Facebook good

4119
04:43:52,400 --> 04:43:54,000
morning Happy New Year we received

4120
04:43:54,000 --> 04:43:55,600
feedback that several folks are having

4121
04:43:55,600 --> 04:43:57,718
challenges in receiving time responses

4122
04:43:57,718 --> 04:44:00,240
and information for our HOA property

4123
04:44:00,240 --> 04:44:02,840
management company called Joe go excuse

4124
04:44:02,840 --> 04:44:05,280
me we sincerely apologize for the

4125
04:44:05,280 --> 04:44:07,000
inconvenience and decided to step and

4126
04:44:07,000 --> 04:44:09,400
assist directly with the process of ramp

4127
04:44:09,400 --> 04:44:11,760
pass process if you are interest in

4128
04:44:11,760 --> 04:44:14,680
retaining a boat ramp PR pass to our

4129
04:44:14,680 --> 04:44:17,280
private Bo private ramp please feel free

4130
04:44:17,280 --> 04:44:19,160
to send an email to longpoint estate's

4131
04:44:19,160 --> 04:44:20,878
board of directors and it's their email

4132
04:44:20,878 --> 04:44:22,878
there and then the next paragraph is

4133
04:44:22,878 --> 04:44:25,840
Longo States will be offering for sale a

4134
04:44:25,840 --> 04:44:27,760
very limited number of yearly passes to

4135
04:44:27,760 --> 04:44:31,280
their private boat ramp LP offers this

4136
04:44:31,280 --> 04:44:33,680
priv offers a private boat ramp with

4137
04:44:33,680 --> 04:44:36,440
gated access leading to the icw you do

4138
04:44:36,440 --> 04:44:38,718
not need to live in Washington acres to

4139
04:44:38,718 --> 04:44:41,040
obtain a pass passes are first come

4140
04:44:41,040 --> 04:44:44,200
first sered please contact the lp HOA

4141
04:44:44,200 --> 04:44:47,000
property management company for more if

4142
04:44:47,000 --> 04:44:49,638
you read paragraph 4 of the memorandum

4143
04:44:49,638 --> 04:44:52,000
of understanding that's submitted the

4144
04:44:52,000 --> 04:44:55,360
HOAs are not coming together longpoint

4145
04:44:55,360 --> 04:44:58,560
Estates is selling individual licenses

4146
04:44:58,560 --> 04:44:59,440
to

4147
04:44:59,440 --> 04:45:03,040
individuals they are customers of long

4148
04:45:03,040 --> 04:45:05,400
points Estates HOA they're trying to

4149
04:45:05,400 --> 04:45:06,958
continue

4150
04:45:06,958 --> 04:45:14,350
this thank you stepen Neil

4151
04:45:14,360 --> 04:45:16,120
I'll be quick thank you for letting me

4152
04:45:16,120 --> 04:45:19,840
to speak um in the event of Memorial Day

4153
04:45:19,840 --> 04:45:22,920
uh Fourth of July Labor Day any weekend

4154
04:45:22,920 --> 04:45:25,440
basically um it was mentioned before

4155
04:45:25,440 --> 04:45:29,080
that in the event of overcrowding on the

4156
04:45:29,080 --> 04:45:32,080
street um the only solution I heard was

4157
04:45:32,080 --> 04:45:33,718
that the three HOAs will come together

4158
04:45:33,718 --> 04:45:37,080
and figure out a solution and I don't

4159
04:45:37,080 --> 04:45:39,878
think that is attainable it's not

4160
04:45:39,878 --> 04:45:42,280
realistic and how do you coordinate

4161
04:45:42,280 --> 04:45:43,920
something like that without people just

4162
04:45:43,920 --> 04:45:45,638
arguing it's just going to cause a

4163
04:45:45,638 --> 04:45:48,718
complete disaster so that's that's my

4164
04:45:48,718 --> 04:45:50,718
point that's all I have to

4165
04:45:50,718 --> 04:45:58,590
say Brian

4166
04:45:58,600 --> 04:46:02,160
Moore good evening Brian Moore 145

4167
04:46:02,160 --> 04:46:05,000
Circle Drive St I am part of the

4168
04:46:05,000 --> 04:46:06,480
Washington Acres

4169
04:46:06,480 --> 04:46:08,958
Community um I frequent the boat ramp

4170
04:46:08,958 --> 04:46:11,718
probably once a week on average

4171
04:46:11,718 --> 04:46:14,200
I know how the traffic is down there I

4172
04:46:14,200 --> 04:46:16,240
um it gets

4173
04:46:16,240 --> 04:46:19,400
busy it's it's doable but it gets very

4174
04:46:19,400 --> 04:46:21,878
busy an additional 40 is going to make

4175
04:46:21,878 --> 04:46:26,638
it a nuisance on top of that Greystone

4176
04:46:26,638 --> 04:46:29,958
is 1.7 miles from the boat ramp and that

4177
04:46:29,958 --> 04:46:34,600
1.7 miles I believe there's 8 90° blind

4178
04:46:34,600 --> 04:46:36,840
hand turns on a small road that is

4179
04:46:36,840 --> 04:46:39,670
filled with

4180
04:46:39,680 --> 04:46:41,480
children at

4181
04:46:41,480 --> 04:46:43,200
in the huge road in front of the boat

4182
04:46:43,200 --> 04:46:45,080
ramp there is nine children that live

4183
04:46:45,080 --> 04:46:48,440
there it's very limited it's a very nice

4184
04:46:48,440 --> 04:46:51,160
Community the extra traffic is going to

4185
04:46:51,160 --> 04:46:55,638
be a problem somebody's going to get

4186
04:46:55,638 --> 04:46:58,440
hurt I don't want to see

4187
04:46:58,440 --> 04:47:01,440
that on top

4188
04:47:01,440 --> 04:47:05,200
of all the traffic the nuisance that is

4189
04:47:05,200 --> 04:47:07,958
going to cause they've also built nine

4190
04:47:07,958 --> 04:47:12,320
ramps slips I'm sorry across our boat

4191
04:47:12,320 --> 04:47:15,680
ramp well now the access is limited

4192
04:47:15,680 --> 04:47:18,120
coming and going out of the ramps so to

4193
04:47:18,120 --> 04:47:20,878
add an additional 40 more people coming

4194
04:47:20,878 --> 04:47:24,120
and going out of the adjacent ramp on

4195
04:47:24,120 --> 04:47:27,280
top of the large volume that we have it

4196
04:47:27,280 --> 04:47:30,000
is it's going to be a challenge it's

4197
04:47:30,000 --> 04:47:32,280
going to cause problems there's going to

4198
04:47:32,280 --> 04:47:34,548
be

4199
04:47:34,558 --> 04:47:37,440
incidences I don't know the solution but

4200
04:47:37,440 --> 04:47:39,878
I don't believe we should add it until

4201
04:47:39,878 --> 04:47:41,520
we can

4202
04:47:41,520 --> 04:47:43,400
maybe work

4203
04:47:43,400 --> 04:47:46,400
together but I don't believe that's an

4204
04:47:46,400 --> 04:47:48,480
option either

4205
04:47:48,480 --> 04:47:52,480
so huge safety factors in mind and I am

4206
04:47:52,480 --> 04:47:55,160
thoroughly thoroughly against granting

4207
04:47:55,160 --> 04:47:57,080
an additional

4208
04:47:57,080 --> 04:47:58,920
40 thank

4209
04:47:58,920 --> 04:48:01,480
you thank

4210
04:48:01,480 --> 04:48:11,030
you Paul pic

4211
04:48:11,040 --> 04:48:15,040
board Paul piic 104 Circle Drive

4212
04:48:15,040 --> 04:48:16,320
Washington

4213
04:48:16,320 --> 04:48:20,080
Acres um we all want everybody to boat

4214
04:48:20,080 --> 04:48:23,280
and commute and have fun on the water uh

4215
04:48:23,280 --> 04:48:25,400
Saturdays is a major problem down at the

4216
04:48:25,400 --> 04:48:26,160
boat

4217
04:48:26,160 --> 04:48:30,280
ramps both of them mainly their ramp is

4218
04:48:30,280 --> 04:48:32,600
underutilized I think our HOA approached

4219
04:48:32,600 --> 04:48:34,840
them to try to use some of their parking

4220
04:48:34,840 --> 04:48:37,400
I don't know what happened with that but

4221
04:48:37,400 --> 04:48:39,520
there's parking all on the streets going

4222
04:48:39,520 --> 04:48:42,638
on on Saturday Sun days holidays if we

4223
04:48:42,638 --> 04:48:45,638
add another 40 people there or even 20

4224
04:48:45,638 --> 04:48:47,400
it's going to cause some

4225
04:48:47,400 --> 04:48:49,760
issues uh one of the things we do want

4226
04:48:49,760 --> 04:48:53,360
to do is be friendly neighbors we just

4227
04:48:53,360 --> 04:48:55,920
want everybody to abide by the Deeds

4228
04:48:55,920 --> 04:48:58,320
that are written we have a unique

4229
04:48:58,320 --> 04:49:00,718
situation with Washington Acres Long

4230
04:49:00,718 --> 04:49:03,600
Point Estates they have Deeds written in

4231
04:49:03,600 --> 04:49:07,120
there verbiage to prevent this and it's

4232
04:49:07,120 --> 04:49:09,920
for a reason because it's a unique

4233
04:49:09,920 --> 04:49:11,320
community

4234
04:49:11,320 --> 04:49:14,440
I moved there for that reason deeded

4235
04:49:14,440 --> 04:49:15,840
water

4236
04:49:15,840 --> 04:49:19,520
rights it's Unique it's not Sloop point

4237
04:49:19,520 --> 04:49:22,080
it's not another Marina where there's 50

4238
04:49:22,080 --> 04:49:25,320
people waiting it's very nice it's a

4239
04:49:25,320 --> 04:49:27,558
great thing to use we don't want it to

4240
04:49:27,558 --> 04:49:28,480
be

4241
04:49:28,480 --> 04:49:30,718
commercialized that's all I got can I

4242
04:49:30,718 --> 04:49:33,360
yield my time to

4243
04:49:33,360 --> 04:49:36,360
Alton not no sir no sir I'm sorry I

4244
04:49:36,360 --> 04:49:38,990
tried

4245
04:49:39,000 --> 04:49:42,040
buddy um Liam

4246
04:49:42,040 --> 04:49:44,958
deor not sure and by the way I should

4247
04:49:44,958 --> 04:49:46,920
have said earlier I mispronounce your

4248
04:49:46,920 --> 04:49:49,760
name and is nothing

4249
04:49:49,760 --> 04:49:52,200
personal I was impressed with that last

4250
04:49:52,200 --> 04:49:54,120
one you said it yes good evening my name

4251
04:49:54,120 --> 04:49:56,000
is Liam D I'm a resident in the

4252
04:49:56,000 --> 04:49:58,200
Greystone Community was one of the early

4253
04:49:58,200 --> 04:50:00,200
residents and moved in in

4254
04:50:00,200 --> 04:50:02,600
2010 uh the original developers of

4255
04:50:02,600 --> 04:50:06,320
Greystone longpoint and hammock's watch

4256
04:50:06,320 --> 04:50:08,520
um the Land Company of Pender um Jerry

4257
04:50:08,520 --> 04:50:13,798
Reeves JW Fussell and and um David Greer

4258
04:50:13,798 --> 04:50:16,440
had intended for the use of the boat

4259
04:50:16,440 --> 04:50:18,240
round to be extended to just those three

4260
04:50:18,240 --> 04:50:20,600
neighborhoods and it was all in place

4261
04:50:20,600 --> 04:50:23,520
legally but for the exception of some

4262
04:50:23,520 --> 04:50:25,200
paperwork that the attorney at the time

4263
04:50:25,200 --> 04:50:28,558
James Brandon did not file with the bank

4264
04:50:28,558 --> 04:50:31,040
um with which uh their developers had

4265
04:50:31,040 --> 04:50:33,600
their mortgage that bank subsequently

4266
04:50:33,600 --> 04:50:36,160
foreclosed and was assumed by another

4267
04:50:36,160 --> 04:50:38,480
bank and we worked diligently the HOA

4268
04:50:38,480 --> 04:50:40,440
myself and Mike Griffin at the time and

4269
04:50:40,440 --> 04:50:41,760
he was was the president I was the

4270
04:50:41,760 --> 04:50:44,638
secretary on the HOA board and uh

4271
04:50:44,638 --> 04:50:46,680
fortunately we were unable to uh to work

4272
04:50:46,680 --> 04:50:48,878
with the with with everything and the

4273
04:50:48,878 --> 04:50:51,600
ownership reverted to longpoint Estates

4274
04:50:51,600 --> 04:50:53,360
so what this current agreement is

4275
04:50:53,360 --> 04:50:57,080
proposing is really a revision to the or

4276
04:50:57,080 --> 04:51:00,520
version to the prior um intent of

4277
04:51:00,520 --> 04:51:02,878
extending access to Greystone and

4278
04:51:02,878 --> 04:51:06,240
hammock watch uh to the boat ramp during

4279
04:51:06,240 --> 04:51:08,040
that original transaction the property

4280
04:51:08,040 --> 04:51:11,600
was originally 3.21 Acres 21 Acres was

4281
04:51:11,600 --> 04:51:13,878
carved off and sold or deeded to

4282
04:51:13,878 --> 04:51:16,400
Washington Acres so their boat ramp

4283
04:51:16,400 --> 04:51:17,958
actually includes some of the original

4284
04:51:17,958 --> 04:51:20,920
property so their their um access has

4285
04:51:20,920 --> 04:51:23,718
been improved through um prior

4286
04:51:23,718 --> 04:51:25,638
transactions on this lot and that was

4287
04:51:25,638 --> 04:51:29,120
around about 210 time frame I believe so

4288
04:51:29,120 --> 04:51:31,878
that's that's just my point I think uh I

4289
04:51:31,878 --> 04:51:33,360
think we're all cognizant of what's

4290
04:51:33,360 --> 04:51:35,638
going on with traffic in the area but

4291
04:51:35,638 --> 04:51:39,120
honestly with 40 extra um boats compared

4292
04:51:39,120 --> 04:51:41,000
to or up to that many compared to how

4293
04:51:41,000 --> 04:51:43,878
many people use was and Acres um it is a

4294
04:51:43,878 --> 04:51:45,360
drop in the bucket compared to the

4295
04:51:45,360 --> 04:51:47,200
property and it was also a part of the

4296
04:51:47,200 --> 04:51:49,320
original intent of the development that

4297
04:51:49,320 --> 04:51:51,280
we be extended

4298
04:51:51,280 --> 04:51:54,040
access thank you thank

4299
04:51:54,040 --> 04:52:01,350
you Lindsay

4300
04:52:01,360 --> 04:52:03,958
Warren hello Lindsay Warren I live in

4301
04:52:03,958 --> 04:52:06,600
Greystone 145 thoron Drive uh would

4302
04:52:06,600 --> 04:52:09,000
appreciate consideration of our request

4303
04:52:09,000 --> 04:52:10,760
uh just based on the history of the

4304
04:52:10,760 --> 04:52:12,520
understanding that U you know we had

4305
04:52:12,520 --> 04:52:15,120
access to use this knowing that that

4306
04:52:15,120 --> 04:52:17,480
space is underutilized and the traffic

4307
04:52:17,480 --> 04:52:20,878
concerns going into public boat ramps um

4308
04:52:20,878 --> 04:52:25,240
we just feel like that you know it's a a definite you know advantage to

4309
04:52:25,240 --> 04:52:26,360
be able to use it so close to our

4310
04:52:26,360 --> 04:52:30,910
neighborhood so would appreciate the

4311
04:52:30,920 --> 04:52:41,788
consideration Phil Cordo

4312
04:52:41,798 --> 04:52:43,600
good evening my name is Phil poro I'm at

4313
04:52:43,600 --> 04:52:46,878
230 Thornton Drive in Greystone um just

4314
04:52:46,878 --> 04:52:48,878
a couple comments I wanted to remind

4315
04:52:48,878 --> 04:52:50,920
everyone that I think we get

4316
04:52:50,920 --> 04:52:52,360
increasingly concerned about traffic on

4317
04:52:52,360 --> 04:52:55,760
17 and every trip that

4318
04:52:55,760 --> 04:52:58,600
we're sending to the underutilized uh

4319
04:52:58,600 --> 04:53:00,400
longpoint Estates boat ramp is one trip

4320
04:53:00,400 --> 04:53:02,200
that were're taking off 17 because my

4321
04:53:02,200 --> 04:53:03,600
family and myself and all the other

4322
04:53:03,600 --> 04:53:05,400
users of of this boat ramp we currently

4323
04:53:05,400 --> 04:53:07,840
using the Lewis Road boat ramp facility

4324
04:53:07,840 --> 04:53:10,080
which I think we're all aware is next to

4325
04:53:10,080 --> 04:53:12,400
Sloop point and it's very very heavily

4326
04:53:12,400 --> 04:53:14,600
utilized so we're taking we're not

4327
04:53:14,600 --> 04:53:16,558
creating any additional trips we're just

4328
04:53:16,558 --> 04:53:19,080
taking them off of 17 and moving them

4329
04:53:19,080 --> 04:53:21,798
onto a local Road within our community

4330
04:53:21,798 --> 04:53:23,638
um the other thing is there's about a

4331
04:53:23,638 --> 04:53:25,480
hundred uh Parcels within the Washington

4332
04:53:25,480 --> 04:53:27,480
Acres neighborhood and as you can see

4333
04:53:27,480 --> 04:53:28,920
their facility is actually about

4334
04:53:28,920 --> 04:53:30,558
onethird the size of ours when you

4335
04:53:30,558 --> 04:53:32,558
consider the total acreage and so if

4336
04:53:32,558 --> 04:53:34,718
you've got a 100 homes using that that

4337
04:53:34,718 --> 04:53:37,000
that's much smaller of a parcel versus

4338
04:53:37,000 --> 04:53:41,200
only 40 on ours I I think think that U

4339
04:53:41,200 --> 04:53:43,280
we need to think about the parking and

4340
04:53:43,280 --> 04:53:45,200
you know whether or not maybe uh

4341
04:53:45,200 --> 04:53:46,718
Washington acres is creating some of

4342
04:53:46,718 --> 04:53:48,638
that traffic because again they have 100

4343
04:53:48,638 --> 04:53:49,840
homes about 100 homes in their

4344
04:53:49,840 --> 04:53:51,160
neighborhood versus only 40 that were

4345
04:53:51,160 --> 04:53:53,360
asking to be on the uh longpoint Estates

4346
04:53:53,360 --> 04:53:56,400
boat ramp and of course the ultimate um

4347
04:53:56,400 --> 04:53:58,760
guide to parking is that you issue the

4348
04:53:58,760 --> 04:54:00,920
passes on a first come first Sur basis

4349
04:54:00,920 --> 04:54:02,798
so if we determine that you know the

4350
04:54:02,798 --> 04:54:04,040
capacity of the boat ramp and the

4351
04:54:04,040 --> 04:54:06,440
parking Etc is only you know let's say

4352
04:54:06,440 --> 04:54:08,798
25 then the first 25 you know permit

4353
04:54:08,798 --> 04:54:11,240
hold or homeowners Within the group um

4354
04:54:11,240 --> 04:54:12,480
that applied and they would just get

4355
04:54:12,480 --> 04:54:15,040
first some first serve um permits and

4356
04:54:15,040 --> 04:54:16,160
then the rest would have to wait until

4357
04:54:16,160 --> 04:54:17,000
there is

4358
04:54:17,000 --> 04:54:20,360
vacancies um other than that again we

4359
04:54:20,360 --> 04:54:22,240
sincerely appreciate your consideration

4360
04:54:22,240 --> 04:54:23,840
thank you so

4361
04:54:23,840 --> 04:54:35,708
much coie

4362
04:54:35,718 --> 04:54:38,520
Cordo hello my name is Coy Cordo and I'm

4363
04:54:38,520 --> 04:54:40,080
representing the Greystone Community

4364
04:54:40,080 --> 04:54:40,958
this

4365
04:54:40,958 --> 04:54:43,718
evening I am a fisherman and a mother of

4366
04:54:43,718 --> 04:54:47,878
a small child I own a 14t John

4367
04:54:47,878 --> 04:54:50,440
Boat during this whole process I've been

4368
04:54:50,440 --> 04:54:51,878
thinking a lot about the access and

4369
04:54:51,878 --> 04:54:53,798
where you kind of get out into the water

4370
04:54:53,798 --> 04:54:56,638
and at Safe Harbor going down to Lewis

4371
04:54:56,638 --> 04:54:58,878
Road right beside slute point I tried it

4372
04:54:58,878 --> 04:55:00,160
recently and it's like getting on an

4373
04:55:00,160 --> 04:55:01,440
on-ramp an

4374
04:55:01,440 --> 04:55:05,440
I95 I got ran over and it was very scary

4375
04:55:05,440 --> 04:55:07,120
so I immediately turned the boat around

4376
04:55:07,120 --> 04:55:08,360
put it back on the trailer and headed

4377
04:55:08,360 --> 04:55:10,600
back home

4378
04:55:10,600 --> 04:55:12,520
this access will obviously provide a lot

4379
04:55:12,520 --> 04:55:15,638
of recreational value to myself and my

4380
04:55:15,638 --> 04:55:17,878
family and the community and that's why

4381
04:55:17,878 --> 04:55:21,240
we moved to Hamstead we came here to be

4382
04:55:21,240 --> 04:55:24,878
on the water fish clam oystering

4383
04:55:24,878 --> 04:55:26,080
following all the rules that are

4384
04:55:26,080 --> 04:55:28,440
provided by the state of North Carolina

4385
04:55:28,440 --> 04:55:31,120
and enjoying the water that is around

4386
04:55:31,120 --> 04:55:33,400
us the folks that are here that are

4387
04:55:33,400 --> 04:55:36,200
against this maybe being washed in acres

4388
04:55:36,200 --> 04:55:39,798
um we ride by that boat ramp daily

4389
04:55:39,798 --> 04:55:42,160
including Saturdays and Sundays

4390
04:55:42,160 --> 04:55:45,400
frequently see traffic on the road

4391
04:55:45,400 --> 04:55:48,638
because of the Washington Acres ramp Lao

4392
04:55:48,638 --> 04:55:51,638
Marina is I've only seen it filled up

4393
04:55:51,638 --> 04:55:54,160
one time so we're talking about 40

4394
04:55:54,160 --> 04:55:56,360
permits that you know the own owners of

4395
04:55:56,360 --> 04:55:57,680
the boat ramp and all of us being there

4396
04:55:57,680 --> 04:56:00,360
at the same time I haven't seen it but

4397
04:56:00,360 --> 04:56:02,360
one time in a few years so just kind of

4398
04:56:02,360 --> 04:56:04,200
want to put that in context as well

4399
04:56:04,200 --> 04:56:06,638
thank you for your time thank

4400
04:56:06,638 --> 04:56:23,030
you um Daryl Collins

4401
04:56:23,040 --> 04:56:25,360
good evening uh my name is Daryl Collins

4402
04:56:25,360 --> 04:56:28,040
I live at the first house in Greystone

4403
04:56:28,040 --> 04:56:30,920
can you speak up Sir my name is Daryl

4404
04:56:30,920 --> 04:56:32,240
Collins I live at the first house in

4405
04:56:32,240 --> 04:56:33,878
Greystone it's 18

4406
04:56:33,878 --> 04:56:37,718
thoron uh when I first moved in um I

4407
04:56:37,718 --> 04:56:40,400
want to start with this that that's been

4408
04:56:40,400 --> 04:56:41,558
eating at me

4409
04:56:41,558 --> 04:56:43,920
since literally since I got back from

4410
04:56:43,920 --> 04:56:46,638
the trip when I first moved in the real

4411
04:56:46,638 --> 04:56:49,040
estate agent promised me I'd have boat

4412
04:56:49,040 --> 04:56:52,120
access and I when I found out that it

4413
04:56:52,120 --> 04:56:54,520
wasn't deeded I went after that real

4414
04:56:54,520 --> 04:56:56,520
estate agency and a lot of our

4415
04:56:56,520 --> 04:56:58,200
homeowners have been promised that as

4416
04:56:58,200 --> 04:57:01,360
well these communities were built by a

4417
04:57:01,360 --> 04:57:03,680
group of Builders they were all built

4418
04:57:03,680 --> 04:57:06,160
together for our access and through the

4419
04:57:06,160 --> 04:57:07,958
time that I've been there since

4420
04:57:07,958 --> 04:57:10,760
2017 I've been using that boat r

4421
04:57:10,760 --> 04:57:12,760
paying a nominal fee and everything

4422
04:57:12,760 --> 04:57:15,480
seemed to be working out fine I have

4423
04:57:15,480 --> 04:57:17,360
never and I have probably one of the

4424
04:57:17,360 --> 04:57:19,160
biggest boats and I probably use it more

4425
04:57:19,160 --> 04:57:21,280
than anybody here and I'm going to tell

4426
04:57:21,280 --> 04:57:23,798
you I have never seen parking ever be a

4427
04:57:23,798 --> 04:57:26,240
problem for us and anybody in Washington

4428
04:57:26,240 --> 04:57:27,878
Acres that has any complaint about

4429
04:57:27,878 --> 04:57:30,320
parking is complaining about

4430
04:57:30,320 --> 04:57:33,080
themselves our community doesn't use up

4431
04:57:33,080 --> 04:57:35,798
everything in Long Point we barely even

4432
04:57:35,798 --> 04:57:37,320
I have never had to park outside the

4433
04:57:37,320 --> 04:57:39,718
gate with my boat and trailer the

4434
04:57:39,718 --> 04:57:43,000
outside parking is given to us when we

4435
04:57:43,000 --> 04:57:45,680
had the rant passes for us to invite

4436
04:57:45,680 --> 04:57:47,558
friends to park their individual cars

4437
04:57:47,558 --> 04:57:49,200
there so they never even have a trailer

4438
04:57:49,200 --> 04:57:51,080
behind them and there's there's a a good

4439
04:57:51,080 --> 04:57:53,160
amount of distance between the main road

4440
04:57:53,160 --> 04:57:55,160
and where the fence is where they pull

4441
04:57:55,160 --> 04:57:58,040
up and and what I'm trying to say is

4442
04:57:58,040 --> 04:58:00,480
that taking away our access for for

4443
04:58:00,480 --> 04:58:02,440
boating rights does put us back on the

4444
04:58:02,440 --> 04:58:03,958
water where we have to go to the state

4445
04:58:03,958 --> 04:58:06,718
boat ramp I own a very big boat it costs

4446
04:58:06,718 --> 04:58:08,840
a lot of gas if you're talking about

4447
04:58:08,840 --> 04:58:11,400
environmental impact in General a lot of

4448
04:58:11,400 --> 04:58:13,080
us are so upset about this that we're

4449
04:58:13,080 --> 04:58:14,320
going to start looking for a different

4450
04:58:14,320 --> 04:58:16,558
way to get another boat ramp built which

4451
04:58:16,558 --> 04:58:19,240
means that's a big environmental impact

4452
04:58:19,240 --> 04:58:21,240
I've talked to Jason already about it

4453
04:58:21,240 --> 04:58:22,920
and he's told me about not messing with

4454
04:58:22,920 --> 04:58:25,680
the seagrass everybody's really upset

4455
04:58:25,680 --> 04:58:32,160
going down to the public boat ramp it's easily 12 to 14 miles Towing my

4456
04:58:32,160 --> 04:58:34,520
boat putting my boat in driving my boat

4457
04:58:34,520 --> 04:58:36,958
back down to the end of South topsil how

4458
04:58:36,958 --> 04:58:38,638
much gas does that

4459
04:58:38,638 --> 04:58:41,878
use when it when we talk about going to

4460
04:58:41,878 --> 04:58:44,558
the boat ramp and our access us using

4461
04:58:44,558 --> 04:58:46,718
our side of that ramp for all the years

4462
04:58:46,718 --> 04:58:49,558
that I've been doing this I I take my

4463
04:58:49,558 --> 04:58:51,760
boat down Washington Acres Road I don't

4464
04:58:51,760 --> 04:58:53,600
go weaving through Hughes or any of the

4465
04:58:53,600 --> 04:58:55,878
other roads to get there I have to

4466
04:58:55,878 --> 04:58:57,440
partially because of how high up it is

4467
04:58:57,440 --> 04:58:59,120
in the air but I have anyway just

4468
04:58:59,120 --> 04:59:01,120
because the traffic going around the

4469
04:59:01,120 --> 04:59:02,798
corners I am very concerned about

4470
04:59:02,798 --> 04:59:04,360
everybody else in the community and kids

4471
04:59:04,360 --> 04:59:06,520
playing but we have other things going

4472
04:59:06,520 --> 04:59:08,320
on and I want to say that that this

4473
04:59:08,320 --> 04:59:11,600
isn't something new every body here has

4474
04:59:11,600 --> 04:59:14,320
been dealing and we have not the picture

4475
04:59:14,320 --> 04:59:16,160
is showing all the cars parked outside

4476
04:59:16,160 --> 04:59:18,080
there we haven't been using the boat

4477
04:59:18,080 --> 04:59:19,958
ramp all this year so if those pictures

4478
04:59:19,958 --> 04:59:22,000
were made this year that is Washington

4479
04:59:22,000 --> 04:59:24,080
Acres parking out on those

4480
04:59:24,080 --> 04:59:32,708
roads so thank you thank you Suzette

4481
04:59:32,718 --> 04:59:35,920
Collins yeah I I we were just confirming

4482
04:59:35,920 --> 04:59:37,920
that yeah I'm we're not done yet sir but

4483
04:59:37,920 --> 04:59:45,030
yeah I'll go ahead and call you up now

4484
04:59:45,040 --> 04:59:48,320
she's good evening Ben Molin 77 Thorton

4485
04:59:48,320 --> 04:59:51,240
Drive um here tonight to voice my

4486
04:59:51,240 --> 04:59:53,558
support for the permit I'm a resident

4487
04:59:53,558 --> 04:59:55,360
property owner of the Greystone

4488
04:59:55,360 --> 04:59:58,040
Community also an HOA board

4489
04:59:58,040 --> 05:00:00,600
member um sharing of long points

4490
05:00:00,600 --> 05:00:03,718
underutilized boat ramp is consistent

4491
05:00:03,718 --> 05:00:05,080
with the original plans for these

4492
05:00:05,080 --> 05:00:08,080
neighborhoods many of us have uh illeg

4493
05:00:08,080 --> 05:00:10,840
ille illegitimate access stated on our

4494
05:00:10,840 --> 05:00:13,520
Deeds we know it's not legal not legally

4495
05:00:13,520 --> 05:00:16,360
binding three neighborhoods are sister

4496
05:00:16,360 --> 05:00:18,280
neighborhoods originally developed by

4497
05:00:18,280 --> 05:00:20,760
the same developer and they who intended

4498
05:00:20,760 --> 05:00:23,440
for this access at that

4499
05:00:23,440 --> 05:00:25,600
location um as my neighbor chip just

4500
05:00:25,600 --> 05:00:28,240
mentioned those pictures that were shown

4501
05:00:28,240 --> 05:00:29,840
were during the time that we were paying

4502
05:00:29,840 --> 05:00:32,440
a nominal fee um I I believe this is all

4503
05:00:32,440 --> 05:00:35,240
to get in compliance with the Udo um

4504
05:00:35,240 --> 05:00:36,440
that was actually my truck in one of the

4505
05:00:36,440 --> 05:00:39,440
pictures so that's a average US day

4506
05:00:39,440 --> 05:00:43,000
Greystone it's 35 Lots 29 homes less

4507
05:00:43,000 --> 05:00:44,840
than a third of us are boat owners and

4508
05:00:44,840 --> 05:00:46,958
kayakers so you know a fraction of the

4509
05:00:46,958 --> 05:00:49,400
40 we do

4510
05:00:49,400 --> 05:00:51,878
Traverse um you know talking about

4511
05:00:51,878 --> 05:00:55,798
traffic we all drive and Traverse Center

4512
05:00:55,798 --> 05:00:58,400
Drive Hugh Road Washington Acres Road

4513
05:00:58,400 --> 05:01:03,240
daily we walk ride bikes have children

4514
05:01:03,240 --> 05:01:06,878
um current water access is north on 17

4515
05:01:06,878 --> 05:01:08,718
through the 210 and 17

4516
05:01:08,718 --> 05:01:11,798
intersection um you know it's a 25

4517
05:01:11,798 --> 05:01:14,638
minute drive without traffic couple

4518
05:01:14,638 --> 05:01:16,760
hours on the weekends if

4519
05:01:16,760 --> 05:01:19,520
so um so this permit will actually

4520
05:01:19,520 --> 05:01:21,520
reduce boat traffic on

4521
05:01:21,520 --> 05:01:24,040
17 and the pressure on S Point Road

4522
05:01:24,040 --> 05:01:26,400
which we know is pressured from all over

4523
05:01:26,400 --> 05:01:27,760
the state I think we all have friends in

4524
05:01:27,760 --> 05:01:30,558
Raleigh that come here on the weekends

4525
05:01:30,558 --> 05:01:32,240
um so just yeah thank you for your time

4526
05:01:32,240 --> 05:01:35,520
this evening and um considering this

4527
05:01:35,520 --> 05:01:38,440
positive impact to our community thank

4528
05:01:38,440 --> 05:01:48,590
you Terry

4529
05:01:48,600 --> 05:01:53,000
Williams hi I'm Terry Williams I um have

4530
05:01:53,000 --> 05:01:55,040
property on Washington Acres Road 11b

4531
05:01:55,040 --> 05:01:56,600
we're in the process of building a home

4532
05:01:56,600 --> 05:02:00,840
down here and um when we purchased

4533
05:02:00,840 --> 05:02:03,240
property down here a couple of years ago

4534
05:02:03,240 --> 05:02:04,558
that was the first thing that appealed

4535
05:02:04,558 --> 05:02:08,080
to us was the marina area and the way

4536
05:02:08,080 --> 05:02:10,000
that uh the boats were down there very

4537
05:02:10,000 --> 05:02:11,718
picturesque it looked like a New England

4538
05:02:11,718 --> 05:02:14,840
town almost it was so it was so Charming

4539
05:02:14,840 --> 05:02:18,840
but the the the point I guess that

4540
05:02:18,840 --> 05:02:22,878
someone made to me the other day and I'm a native North Carolinian and uh my

4541
05:02:22,878 --> 05:02:24,240
grandmother used to come down here spot

4542
05:02:24,240 --> 05:02:25,600
fishing so I mean you know it's kind of

4543
05:02:25,600 --> 05:02:28,558
in my in my blood to uh to appreciate

4544
05:02:28,558 --> 05:02:30,600
the the property down here and the land

4545
05:02:30,600 --> 05:02:32,600
down here

4546
05:02:32,600 --> 05:02:35,920
but that as as one person pointed out to

4547
05:02:35,920 --> 05:02:39,200
me that Marina and those ramps down

4548
05:02:39,200 --> 05:02:40,480
there people have been putting their

4549
05:02:40,480 --> 05:02:43,798
boats down there for a long time okay

4550
05:02:43,798 --> 05:02:45,558
they put some electronic Gates down

4551
05:02:45,558 --> 05:02:48,600
there you know if years back but you

4552
05:02:48,600 --> 05:02:51,080
know the precedents has been set and the

4553
05:02:51,080 --> 05:02:52,558
boating community and the fishing

4554
05:02:52,558 --> 05:02:54,160
Community they've been putting their

4555
05:02:54,160 --> 05:02:56,280
boats in there for a very long time and

4556
05:02:56,280 --> 05:02:58,638
this part of the tradition of Washington

4557
05:02:58,638 --> 05:03:01,160
acres and the inter Coastal

4558
05:03:01,160 --> 05:03:04,638
Waterway and I think when you start with

4559
05:03:04,638 --> 05:03:06,120
a

4560
05:03:06,120 --> 05:03:09,120
regulation and often times it's it's for

4561
05:03:09,120 --> 05:03:11,520
the betterment of the community but then

4562
05:03:11,520 --> 05:03:13,080
at the same time I think you need to

4563
05:03:13,080 --> 05:03:16,040
temper that with your

4564
05:03:16,040 --> 05:03:18,120
consideration of what your heritage of

4565
05:03:18,120 --> 05:03:20,360
your community is and what the people

4566
05:03:20,360 --> 05:03:23,558
are expecting you know as

4567
05:03:23,558 --> 05:03:25,798
Citizens thank

4568
05:03:25,798 --> 05:03:31,990
you Barry

4569
05:03:32,000 --> 05:03:35,320
barber Barry barber 128 Circle Drive

4570
05:03:35,320 --> 05:03:37,798
resident of Washington acres for over 30

4571
05:03:37,798 --> 05:03:39,958
years um there's been some follow

4572
05:03:39,958 --> 05:03:41,878
information spread about tonight about

4573
05:03:41,878 --> 05:03:43,958
the developers of those communities I

4574
05:03:43,958 --> 05:03:45,440
personally was a friend of Raymond

4575
05:03:45,440 --> 05:03:47,878
Hughes who was the original developer of

4576
05:03:47,878 --> 05:03:50,840
Washington acres and Longport Estates he

4577
05:03:50,840 --> 05:03:52,718
developed both those communities and

4578
05:03:52,718 --> 05:03:55,320
each one of them had a private boat ramp

4579
05:03:55,320 --> 05:03:56,760
it's written it's not a homeowners

4580
05:03:56,760 --> 05:03:59,000
association rule it's written into the

4581
05:03:59,000 --> 05:04:02,200
deed legally in the deed those ramps are

4582
05:04:02,200 --> 05:04:04,958
for the exclusive and sole use of

4583
05:04:04,958 --> 05:04:07,240
members of those two subdivisions so I'm

4584
05:04:07,240 --> 05:04:10,120
not even sure how this zoning question

4585
05:04:10,120 --> 05:04:12,240
it's not even legal the these

4586
05:04:12,240 --> 05:04:14,920
specifically States they cannot be used

4587
05:04:14,920 --> 05:04:18,798
by anyone else so that eliminates one of

4588
05:04:18,798 --> 05:04:21,680
the issues on your agenda the legality

4589
05:04:21,680 --> 05:04:23,638
secondly we've talked about the

4590
05:04:23,638 --> 05:04:25,878
commercial use these gentlemen are

4591
05:04:25,878 --> 05:04:28,440
proposing to sell a number of slips the

4592
05:04:28,440 --> 05:04:30,240
new communities do have no rights or

4593
05:04:30,240 --> 05:04:33,040
rules they're simply selling passes if

4594
05:04:33,040 --> 05:04:34,878
that's not a commercial application I'm

4595
05:04:34,878 --> 05:04:37,480
not sure what is they've created a

4596
05:04:37,480 --> 05:04:40,360
memorandum of understanding to kind of

4597
05:04:40,360 --> 05:04:42,638
skirt that issue but the bottom line is

4598
05:04:42,638 --> 05:04:44,840
longpoint Estates is simply selling

4599
05:04:44,840 --> 05:04:47,200
passes to other communities for monetary

4600
05:04:47,200 --> 05:04:49,520
value they're basically making a 100

4601
05:04:49,520 --> 05:04:51,680
Grand a year or so from that so that's a

4602
05:04:51,680 --> 05:04:53,480
commercial Enterprise which is also

4603
05:04:53,480 --> 05:04:55,520
illegal in the community boat ramp

4604
05:04:55,520 --> 05:04:57,040
standards that you've put up here

4605
05:04:57,040 --> 05:04:59,760
tonight the the lady mentioned parking

4606
05:04:59,760 --> 05:05:03,200
there's approximately 15 spaces for

4607
05:05:03,200 --> 05:05:05,280
trucks and trailers that are in the long

4608
05:05:05,280 --> 05:05:07,680
por estate's property it's that's that

4609
05:05:07,680 --> 05:05:10,080
close maybe it's 16 maybe it's 14 but

4610
05:05:10,080 --> 05:05:12,520
approximately 15 in that range so now

4611
05:05:12,520 --> 05:05:20,040
you're proposing adding another 40 or so yes parking is going to be a problem

4612
05:05:20,040 --> 05:05:21,798
I've heard people in the Greystone

4613
05:05:21,798 --> 05:05:23,638
Community mention some unscrupulous

4614
05:05:23,638 --> 05:05:26,160
developers that promised them rights and

4615
05:05:26,160 --> 05:05:28,160
I know that's true I know that happened

4616
05:05:28,160 --> 05:05:30,400
and I do feel for them that's that's

4617
05:05:30,400 --> 05:05:31,840
wrong and it shouldn't have happened but

4618
05:05:31,840 --> 05:05:34,600
that should not infringe upon the rights

4619
05:05:34,600 --> 05:05:36,400
of the property rights of people who

4620
05:05:36,400 --> 05:05:38,798
bought in good faith into communities

4621
05:05:38,798 --> 05:05:40,120
expecting

4622
05:05:40,120 --> 05:05:41,958
the restrictions in our Deeds to be

4623
05:05:41,958 --> 05:05:44,360
honored the legal restrictions in the

4624
05:05:44,360 --> 05:05:46,440
Deeds that's that's all we're talking

4625
05:05:46,440 --> 05:05:48,360
about that should be the end of this

4626
05:05:48,360 --> 05:05:51,558
it's not legal what they're asking so I

4627
05:05:51,558 --> 05:05:53,920
do and I totally acknowledge voting

4628
05:05:53,920 --> 05:05:55,718
access is a problem in Hamp it's a

4629
05:05:55,718 --> 05:05:58,040
problem all up and down North Carolina

4630
05:05:58,040 --> 05:05:59,798
that's why people who bought in

4631
05:05:59,798 --> 05:06:01,680
Washington acres and bought in law en

4632
05:06:01,680 --> 05:06:05,280
por states did that they we realized

4633
05:06:05,280 --> 05:06:07,400
it's a exclusive Community with

4634
05:06:07,400 --> 05:06:09,760
exclusive use of the ramp for MERS MERS

4635
05:06:09,760 --> 05:06:12,760
of those communities only that's what we

4636
05:06:12,760 --> 05:06:15,760
paid for that's what our Deeds say

4637
05:06:15,760 --> 05:06:18,200
legally and I think that's what should

4638
05:06:18,200 --> 05:06:18,958
be

4639
05:06:18,958 --> 05:06:21,240
continued I'm not sure how it goes much

4640
05:06:21,240 --> 05:06:23,320
beyond the legality of the deed everyone

4641
05:06:23,320 --> 05:06:25,280
in Long Point Estates signed their deeds

4642
05:06:25,280 --> 05:06:27,920
just like I did that's a legal contract

4643
05:06:27,920 --> 05:06:30,440
they should be held to that contract

4644
05:06:30,440 --> 05:06:33,600
just like I expect to be thank you thank

4645
05:06:33,600 --> 05:06:35,878
you those are all the signups Mr

4646
05:06:35,878 --> 05:06:43,190
chairman

4647
05:06:43,200 --> 05:06:53,548
um yes

4648
05:06:53,558 --> 05:06:56,718
sir the pleasure of the board he's been

4649
05:06:56,718 --> 05:06:59,200
here the whole let him speak okay come

4650
05:06:59,200 --> 05:07:01,558
up speak state your

4651
05:07:01,558 --> 05:07:06,440
name will youorn sir sir yes sir sir I I

4652
05:07:06,440 --> 05:07:07,680
just want to clear up a couple things

4653
05:07:07,680 --> 05:07:09,520
not take much time thank you so much for

4654
05:07:09,520 --> 05:07:10,878
allow me even though I didn't make the

4655
05:07:10,878 --> 05:07:12,958
list uh original owner

4656
05:07:12,958 --> 05:07:15,878
Greystone uh been some misconceptions I

4657
05:07:15,878 --> 05:07:17,400
don't know if it's because people came

4658
05:07:17,400 --> 05:07:20,638
in after the original gravestone or not

4659
05:07:20,638 --> 05:07:23,280
here's the deal Builder used his own

4660
05:07:23,280 --> 05:07:25,798
attorney attorney screwed up we got

4661
05:07:25,798 --> 05:07:27,718
screwed out of our rights all we're

4662
05:07:27,718 --> 05:07:30,680
doing and Longport Longo is the only one

4663
05:07:30,680 --> 05:07:32,280
that can allow this to happen for

4664
05:07:32,280 --> 05:07:34,638
clarification because the only reason

4665
05:07:34,638 --> 05:07:36,120
they still have that and the bank

4666
05:07:36,120 --> 05:07:38,718
doesn't is because it was deed to them

4667
05:07:38,718 --> 05:07:40,718
and the bank couldn't take it from them

4668
05:07:40,718 --> 05:07:42,878
we had a handshake agreement with Longo

4669
05:07:42,878 --> 05:07:46,040
for years that allowed the original

4670
05:07:46,040 --> 05:07:49,360
owners of two other subdivisions that

4671
05:07:49,360 --> 05:07:51,718
lost their water rates to use that for a

4672
05:07:51,718 --> 05:07:54,280
nominal fee for me I for years it was

4673
05:07:54,280 --> 05:07:58,638
350 bucks there has never been anybody

4674
05:07:58,638 --> 05:08:00,240
to the best of my knowledge when I par

4675
05:08:00,240 --> 05:08:03,280
there and I use it all the time parking

4676
05:08:03,280 --> 05:08:05,878
on the road out there because we don't

4677
05:08:05,878 --> 05:08:08,240
have to it's never full you go out there

4678
05:08:08,240 --> 05:08:11,440
July 4th Memorial Day Labor Day never a

4679
05:08:11,440 --> 05:08:14,680
problem so all we are asking from the

4680
05:08:14,680 --> 05:08:18,160
board your mercy on this to correct a

4681
05:08:18,160 --> 05:08:20,480
mistake the stroke of a pen that an

4682
05:08:20,480 --> 05:08:23,160
attorney did not do to give us the same

4683
05:08:23,160 --> 05:08:25,280
rights that we're entitled to that Long

4684
05:08:25,280 --> 05:08:27,558
Point has and the other two divisions

4685
05:08:27,558 --> 05:08:30,080
don't that's all we're asking for and

4686
05:08:30,080 --> 05:08:32,360
praying for here is to not go through

4687
05:08:32,360 --> 05:08:35,440
the BR race of the public

4688
05:08:35,440 --> 05:08:38,280
rants because we lost the rights that

4689
05:08:38,280 --> 05:08:39,958
we're entitled to our property values

4690
05:08:39,958 --> 05:08:42,200
have already taken a hit we've already

4691
05:08:42,200 --> 05:08:44,480
lost our water rights our property has

4692
05:08:44,480 --> 05:08:46,600
taken a hit because of

4693
05:08:46,600 --> 05:08:49,840
that and I'm sorry for y'all in

4694
05:08:49,840 --> 05:08:52,798
Washington Acres we don't affect any of

4695
05:08:52,798 --> 05:08:54,520
that y'all's

4696
05:08:54,520 --> 05:08:57,600
people because Washington Washington I'm

4697
05:08:57,600 --> 05:09:00,558
sorry Washington Acres people they don't

4698
05:09:00,558 --> 05:09:02,798
sell enough passes you have to have a

4699
05:09:02,798 --> 05:09:04,958
special pass Park IND the

4700
05:09:04,958 --> 05:09:06,878
Gated the other people have to park on

4701
05:09:06,878 --> 05:09:08,200
the

4702
05:09:08,200 --> 05:09:10,440
road okay

4703
05:09:10,440 --> 05:09:13,558
well the evidence is they got vast more

4704
05:09:13,558 --> 05:09:17,718
houses than we got and vastly less land

4705
05:09:17,718 --> 05:09:19,760
so you make your conclusion on who's

4706
05:09:19,760 --> 05:09:21,520
parking on the road and who's not

4707
05:09:21,520 --> 05:09:24,000
there's a picture you don't see but one

4708
05:09:24,000 --> 05:09:26,040
truck parking on long

4709
05:09:26,040 --> 05:09:29,320
pointed isal and the deed was legal when

4710
05:09:29,320 --> 05:09:32,878
we signed the attorney messed up and

4711
05:09:32,878 --> 05:09:35,520
didn't do his right we had we had to

4712
05:09:35,520 --> 05:09:38,080
sign an agreement not to sue him as

4713
05:09:38,080 --> 05:09:40,440
owners it's in the paperwork y'all can

4714
05:09:40,440 --> 05:09:43,200
research it if you like I promise you

4715
05:09:43,200 --> 05:09:45,920
thank you so much thank

4716
05:09:45,920 --> 05:09:48,958
you D for sure

4717
05:09:48,958 --> 05:09:51,840
now may I ask a question of attorney

4718
05:09:51,840 --> 05:09:54,868
Nichols

4719
05:09:54,878 --> 05:09:56,958
yes yes

4720
05:09:56,958 --> 05:10:00,440
ma'am I just don't

4721
05:10:00,440 --> 05:10:02,798
understand why

4722
05:10:02,798 --> 05:10:06,200
does why are there so many people in

4723
05:10:06,200 --> 05:10:08,320
Long Point Estates who were not members

4724
05:10:08,320 --> 05:10:11,718
of HOA I asked the same thing that's why

4725
05:10:11,718 --> 05:10:14,638
I asked Ellen wman to be here because I

4726
05:10:14,638 --> 05:10:16,520
had a I I don't understand the

4727
05:10:16,520 --> 05:10:19,680
background as to why some of the Lots my

4728
05:10:19,680 --> 05:10:20,558
understanding is the way it was

4729
05:10:20,558 --> 05:10:23,760
developed never became part of the

4730
05:10:23,760 --> 05:10:28,440
covenants um so I I can't explain it um

4731
05:10:28,440 --> 05:10:30,440
but that's how uh that's my

4732
05:10:30,440 --> 05:10:31,840
understanding of the current state of

4733
05:10:31,840 --> 05:10:34,360
affairs that there's a number of locks

4734
05:10:34,360 --> 05:10:36,440
that just aren't part of the HOA or

4735
05:10:36,440 --> 05:10:39,798
they're not they don't I don't I don't

4736
05:10:39,798 --> 05:10:41,120
think they pay dues I don't think

4737
05:10:41,120 --> 05:10:43,080
they're part of the

4738
05:10:43,080 --> 05:10:47,160
covenants uh but um I did want to answer

4739
05:10:47,160 --> 05:10:48,718
that question but but I wanted to add

4740
05:10:48,718 --> 05:10:52,798
something at the appropriate time but thank you for providing this because

4741
05:10:52,798 --> 05:10:56,760
it shows that roughly half of Long Point

4742
05:10:56,760 --> 05:11:00,718
acres does not have water access or at

4743
05:11:00,718 --> 05:11:03,440
least is not a member of the

4744
05:11:03,440 --> 05:11:06,558
HOA yes ma'am now some of course some of

4745
05:11:06,558 --> 05:11:08,200
those folks are on the water so they may

4746
05:11:08,200 --> 05:11:09,760
have a peer or they have the ability to

4747
05:11:09,760 --> 05:11:11,798
have a pier and in which case I don't

4748
05:11:11,798 --> 05:11:13,440
know that they really need the boat ramp

4749
05:11:13,440 --> 05:11:16,200
but yes ma'am I I didn't understand it

4750
05:11:16,200 --> 05:11:18,320
myself and like I said was figuring it

4751
05:11:18,320 --> 05:11:20,920
out today and didn't get a chance to put

4752
05:11:20,920 --> 05:11:22,638
that in the presentation but from what I

4753
05:11:22,638 --> 05:11:24,878
understand that's that accurate

4754
05:11:24,878 --> 05:11:29,520
23 23 HOA lots have access to the boat

4755
05:11:29,520 --> 05:11:32,840
RAM and that's similar up the street Old

4756
05:11:32,840 --> 05:11:34,878
Point Old Point Property Owners that

4757
05:11:34,878 --> 05:11:37,558
have property adjacent to the water do

4758
05:11:37,558 --> 05:11:40,480
not have deed access to to the what is

4759
05:11:40,480 --> 05:11:42,360
Harbor Village jock club marina they

4760
05:11:42,360 --> 05:11:43,920
don't have DED access to because they're

4761
05:11:43,920 --> 05:11:44,920
on the water because they're on the

4762
05:11:44,920 --> 05:11:46,760
water there's only three of these Lots

4763
05:11:46,760 --> 05:11:49,400
looking at this map that that are on the

4764
05:11:49,400 --> 05:11:51,520
water that don't have access or don't

4765
05:11:51,520 --> 05:11:53,480
have rights to the boat why those three

4766
05:11:53,480 --> 05:11:56,760
I don't know yeah there's more than that

4767
05:11:56,760 --> 05:12:00,200
Mr chairman three four five six these

4768
05:12:00,200 --> 05:12:02,400
this is this is water here yeah that was

4769
05:12:02,400 --> 05:12:05,480
that water there that's not water yeah

4770
05:12:05,480 --> 05:12:06,638
the end of the creek is right there

4771
05:12:06,638 --> 05:12:10,400
that's his property oh

4772
05:12:10,400 --> 05:12:13,200
M Mr chairman may I add something it's

4773
05:12:13,200 --> 05:12:14,920
speak with my client and hearing the

4774
05:12:14,920 --> 05:12:17,638
comments we we would like to reduce the

4775
05:12:17,638 --> 05:12:20,958
request from 40 passes to 25 I was

4776
05:12:20,958 --> 05:12:22,240
fixing to ask that question because in

4777
05:12:22,240 --> 05:12:24,558
the original presentation wasn't it a

4778
05:12:24,558 --> 05:12:26,320
much less

4779
05:12:26,320 --> 05:12:29,160
number I remember reading 20 or 25

4780
05:12:29,160 --> 05:12:32,680
somewhere in the past I I don't recall

4781
05:12:32,680 --> 05:12:34,638
Mr chairman on this particular item but

4782
05:12:34,638 --> 05:12:37,798
I would say that um from what I

4783
05:12:37,798 --> 05:12:39,440
understand

4784
05:12:39,440 --> 05:12:41,120
my from my client we likely wouldn't

4785
05:12:41,120 --> 05:12:45,320
even sell the 40 I say sell I mean

4786
05:12:45,320 --> 05:12:47,480
provide for the

4787
05:12:47,480 --> 05:12:51,520
um um provide for the other

4788
05:12:51,520 --> 05:12:56,878
neighborhoods a the 40 the 40 passes so

4789
05:12:56,878 --> 05:13:00,920
the 25 is is a more reasonable number it

4790
05:13:00,920 --> 05:13:04,878
also significantly lessens the uh impact

4791
05:13:04,878 --> 05:13:05,718
on

4792
05:13:05,718 --> 05:13:08,878
parking uh it's probably about a 35%

4793
05:13:08,878 --> 05:13:11,360
reduction 40 to to 25 would be about a

4794
05:13:11,360 --> 05:13:12,920
35%

4795
05:13:12,920 --> 05:13:18,360
reduction um and um like I said the the

4796
05:13:18,360 --> 05:13:21,798
a number of the Lots in

4797
05:13:21,798 --> 05:13:25,558
um hammock watch they have the wet slips

4798
05:13:25,558 --> 05:13:28,120
and from what I understand from the

4799
05:13:28,120 --> 05:13:36,280
Greystone um folks not everyone has a has a boat anyway um and as far as

4800
05:13:36,280 --> 05:13:41,040
the issue of um this is not a we would

4801
05:13:41,040 --> 05:13:42,920
respectfully contend this is not a

4802
05:13:42,920 --> 05:13:47,840
commercial use in the sense of um it's

4803
05:13:47,840 --> 05:13:50,718
not open to the public it would be very

4804
05:13:50,718 --> 05:13:57,400
limited and of course there has to be a dues or a fee associated with that

4805
05:13:57,400 --> 05:13:59,958
there's costs associated with it there's

4806
05:13:59,958 --> 05:14:02,958
Insurance there's upkeep there's

4807
05:14:02,958 --> 05:14:05,958
maintenance there's you're expanding you

4808
05:14:05,958 --> 05:14:08,240
would be expanding the scope of it so

4809
05:14:08,240 --> 05:14:10,520
yes there would be

4810
05:14:10,520 --> 05:14:13,480
a monetary component to it but that's

4811
05:14:13,480 --> 05:14:17,878
true of any HOA with dues and that sort

4812
05:14:17,878 --> 05:14:20,638
of thing so

4813
05:14:20,638 --> 05:14:24,320
um but the idea is not to have a it's

4814
05:14:24,320 --> 05:14:26,520
not to have a commercial boat ramp there

4815
05:14:26,520 --> 05:14:29,878
it's to accommodate these two other

4816
05:14:29,878 --> 05:14:32,520
neighborhoods that otherwise are not

4817
05:14:32,520 --> 05:14:34,840
going to have access to a boat ramp and

4818
05:14:34,840 --> 05:14:37,360
we think it would benefit them it would

4819
05:14:37,360 --> 05:14:39,798
benefit us in the sense that we could

4820
05:14:39,798 --> 05:14:42,680
make better use of the ramp and also

4821
05:14:42,680 --> 05:14:46,240
plan for maintenance upkeep and just

4822
05:14:46,240 --> 05:14:48,520
allow better use of it and you heard

4823
05:14:48,520 --> 05:14:51,360
some of the testimony about um

4824
05:14:51,360 --> 05:14:55,520
historical or customary use but um in

4825
05:14:55,520 --> 05:14:57,558
any event we we understand and realize

4826
05:14:57,558 --> 05:14:59,600
that the the only use Allowed by that

4827
05:14:59,600 --> 05:15:00,558
ramp

4828
05:15:00,558 --> 05:15:04,280
today is by the Long Point Estates

4829
05:15:04,280 --> 05:15:07,680
owners the only board that can expand

4830
05:15:07,680 --> 05:15:09,200
that is this board and so that that's

4831
05:15:09,200 --> 05:15:11,360
why we're here asking for this board's

4832
05:15:11,360 --> 05:15:15,360
consideration can we C are we can we be

4833
05:15:15,360 --> 05:15:18,440
allowed or are we allowed to expand in a

4834
05:15:18,440 --> 05:15:20,160
limited capacity to allow these two

4835
05:15:20,160 --> 05:15:22,320
other neighborhoods to make limited use

4836
05:15:22,320 --> 05:15:24,638
of it um and we think there's there

4837
05:15:24,638 --> 05:15:27,200
would be a lot of benefit to that so we

4838
05:15:27,200 --> 05:15:29,600
appreciate the U the the time and

4839
05:15:29,600 --> 05:15:32,958
consideration of the request does the

4840
05:15:32,958 --> 05:15:36,280
23 residents in Longo do they pay will

4841
05:15:36,280 --> 05:15:39,718
they pay the same fee

4842
05:15:39,718 --> 05:15:42,480
if you want to call it a fee or

4843
05:15:42,480 --> 05:15:44,920
registration as the ones from the other

4844
05:15:44,920 --> 05:15:46,160
two

4845
05:15:46,160 --> 05:15:48,080
subdivisions I would have to ask my

4846
05:15:48,080 --> 05:15:52,030
client but I I

4847
05:15:52,040 --> 05:15:55,520
don't it's theirs are like the I guess

4848
05:15:55,520 --> 05:15:57,680
you would say the HOA dues so this would

4849
05:15:57,680 --> 05:16:01,958
be boat ramp boat ramp passholder dues I

4850
05:16:01,958 --> 05:16:03,200
guess is how you would characterize it

4851
05:16:03,200 --> 05:16:04,920
but it wouldn't be they wouldn't be

4852
05:16:04,920 --> 05:16:07,920
paying the same amount as a lot owner in

4853
05:16:07,920 --> 05:16:09,878
Long Point

4854
05:16:09,878 --> 05:16:12,760
their is it monthly or annual or

4855
05:16:12,760 --> 05:16:16,520
quarterly pay annual dues so it's not a portion of that dues goes

4856
05:16:16,520 --> 05:16:19,280
towards the bank the the boat ramp

4857
05:16:19,280 --> 05:16:21,840
maintenance I assume now I I believe it

4858
05:16:21,840 --> 05:16:23,240
would have to I mean to make it not look

4859
05:16:23,240 --> 05:16:26,040
like a commercial no organization I

4860
05:16:26,040 --> 05:16:26,920
would think you would need to charge

4861
05:16:26,920 --> 05:16:29,240
everybody the same price I mean that's

4862
05:16:29,240 --> 05:16:32,280
just my okay I I don't know if anyone

4863
05:16:32,280 --> 05:16:34,638
from the HOA would like to to speak to

4864
05:16:34,638 --> 05:16:35,958
any of those issues

4865
05:16:35,958 --> 05:16:38,600
but sure this is the president of the of

4866
05:16:38,600 --> 05:16:41,480
the Long Point States HOA is he

4867
05:16:41,480 --> 05:16:43,638
considered pardon is he considered

4868
05:16:43,638 --> 05:16:47,200
applicant yeah okay CH you just

4869
05:16:47,200 --> 05:16:49,200
introduce yourself yeah good evening I'm

4870
05:16:49,200 --> 05:16:51,440
Chad Willis currently the president of

4871
05:16:51,440 --> 05:16:54,600
the HOA at Long Point Estates um first

4872
05:16:54,600 --> 05:16:57,920
of all Aon 10 is not to create problems

4873
05:16:57,920 --> 05:16:59,798
by doing this it's not completely

4874
05:16:59,798 --> 05:17:02,520
arbitrary that it's Greystone and

4875
05:17:02,520 --> 05:17:04,718
hammock watch because we understand even

4876
05:17:04,718 --> 05:17:06,840
though we weren't part of

4877
05:17:06,840 --> 05:17:12,600
that there's some bad history there and we feel like that they're the folks

4878
05:17:12,600 --> 05:17:14,040
if we're going to extend this offer

4879
05:17:14,040 --> 05:17:16,558
that's where it should go the last thing

4880
05:17:16,558 --> 05:17:18,638
we want to do is create traffic problems

4881
05:17:18,638 --> 05:17:21,718
and and because we live there as well we

4882
05:17:21,718 --> 05:17:24,160
just are underutilized we have some

4883
05:17:24,160 --> 05:17:26,878
excess capacity and we'd like to help

4884
05:17:26,878 --> 05:17:30,160
some of the following surrounding

4885
05:17:30,160 --> 05:17:33,040
communities um I think 25 passes if you

4886
05:17:33,040 --> 05:17:34,798
did the math of the number of people in

4887
05:17:34,798 --> 05:17:36,760
hammock's watch and the number of lots

4888
05:17:36,760 --> 05:17:39,920
in Greystone and you Factor some

4889
05:17:39,920 --> 05:17:42,760
percentage that don't have boats against

4890
05:17:42,760 --> 05:17:45,480
the people who hammocks watch you don't

4891
05:17:45,480 --> 05:17:47,520
they have their own boat slips like we

4892
05:17:47,520 --> 05:17:50,718
do it's just 25 I don't know that we'd

4893
05:17:50,718 --> 05:17:54,798
sell 25 passes but we do sell them and

4894
05:17:54,798 --> 05:17:58,080
we say sell we do that because we have

4895
05:17:58,080 --> 05:18:00,000
couple hundred feet of Bulkhead we have

4896
05:18:00,000 --> 05:18:11,280
docks we have the ramp we have upkeep of those two acres approximately it's a very whatever we charge it will

4897
05:18:11,280 --> 05:18:14,200
be a fair number and it's not decided at

4898
05:18:14,200 --> 05:18:15,440
this point this is something that the

4899
05:18:15,440 --> 05:18:16,840
whole board has to

4900
05:18:16,840 --> 05:18:19,718
discuss as far as I get the question why

4901
05:18:19,718 --> 05:18:23,798
wouldn't you charge the same thing or a

4902
05:18:23,798 --> 05:18:27,320
pra amount for the upkeep of the

4903
05:18:27,320 --> 05:18:31,878
facilities to keep it from seeming as if

4904
05:18:31,878 --> 05:18:37,120
this is a um uh a a profit Enterprise

4905
05:18:37,120 --> 05:18:39,120
right well there is a res res erve

4906
05:18:39,120 --> 05:18:40,760
factor that comes in in the event of a

4907
05:18:40,760 --> 05:18:42,400
storm of course none of those facilities

4908
05:18:42,400 --> 05:18:45,400
are insured you know if hurricane comes

4909
05:18:45,400 --> 05:18:47,840
through we we hope to build up a reserve

4910
05:18:47,840 --> 05:18:49,320
to cover that

4911
05:18:49,320 --> 05:18:52,480
contingency um we do pay annual HOA dues

4912
05:18:52,480 --> 05:18:57,240
it's it's it's in in the event of

4913
05:18:57,240 --> 05:18:59,360
shortfalls we would be

4914
05:18:59,360 --> 05:19:01,760
assessed not a regularly

4915
05:19:01,760 --> 05:19:04,558
scheduled HOA due we would have a

4916
05:19:04,558 --> 05:19:06,280
special assessment to all of the owners

4917
05:19:06,280 --> 05:19:08,320
in longpoint Estates and only longpoint

4918
05:19:08,320 --> 05:19:10,680
Estates not just other communities the

4919
05:19:10,680 --> 05:19:14,000
HOA boat ramp

4920
05:19:14,000 --> 05:19:17,920
do it's it's not broken out we we

4921
05:19:17,920 --> 05:19:21,400
pay we pay one annual

4922
05:19:21,400 --> 05:19:25,440
HOA homeowners fee if what I'm saying is

4923
05:19:25,440 --> 05:19:27,680
if that doesn't cover the upkeep on

4924
05:19:27,680 --> 05:19:30,160
these facilities or damage to those

4925
05:19:30,160 --> 05:19:32,160
facilities because as Matt mentioned

4926
05:19:32,160 --> 05:19:34,320
earlier we're responsible for that that

4927
05:19:34,320 --> 05:19:36,320
would we would pay that out of pocket by

4928
05:19:36,320 --> 05:19:39,360
way of a special assessment

4929
05:19:39,360 --> 05:19:41,840
so would your current structure if you

4930
05:19:41,840 --> 05:19:44,798
charged $1,000 a year say for each

4931
05:19:44,798 --> 05:19:46,920
resident Lo how much of that thousand is

4932
05:19:46,920 --> 05:19:47,840
set

4933
05:19:47,840 --> 05:19:50,400
aside for the maintenance for the grass

4934
05:19:50,400 --> 05:19:51,840
keeping the upkeep of the fence upkeep

4935
05:19:51,840 --> 05:19:53,840
of the docks

4936
05:19:53,840 --> 05:19:55,798
currently right now it goes into a

4937
05:19:55,798 --> 05:19:57,760
general fund but that's something that

4938
05:19:57,760 --> 05:20:01,958
we could be more than willing to listen

4939
05:20:01,958 --> 05:20:04,040
to suggestions if that if you're what I

4940
05:20:04,040 --> 05:20:05,480
think you're getting at is you would

4941
05:20:05,480 --> 05:20:07,600
like to see some some or all of those

4942
05:20:07,600 --> 05:20:10,718
fees be dedicated to that boting

4943
05:20:10,718 --> 05:20:12,718
facility right now it looks like you're

4944
05:20:12,718 --> 05:20:14,120
maintain you're going to be maintaining

4945
05:20:14,120 --> 05:20:18,000
your boat ramp off of the the

4946
05:20:18,000 --> 05:20:19,280
memberships or whatever you want to call

4947
05:20:19,280 --> 05:20:25,360
it that you're selling to the to the or building your reserves and I I'm kind

4948
05:20:25,360 --> 05:20:28,798
of like our chair here it would be way

4949
05:20:28,798 --> 05:20:30,600
more palpable to

4950
05:20:30,600 --> 05:20:32,878
me

4951
05:20:32,878 --> 05:20:37,280
if as you say you you have sympathy for

4952
05:20:37,280 --> 05:20:39,480
the gray watch and and the other

4953
05:20:39,480 --> 05:20:41,200
community that you feel may have been

4954
05:20:41,200 --> 05:20:44,440
built out of some rights if they were

4955
05:20:44,440 --> 05:20:48,360
being charged and or assessed the same

4956
05:20:48,360 --> 05:20:53,160
amount uh as your um the res as your

4957
05:20:53,160 --> 05:20:55,400
homeowners otherwise if you're just

4958
05:20:55,400 --> 05:20:59,878
selling it access for a some certain why

4959
05:20:59,878 --> 05:21:02,958
are you limiting it to gry watch you

4960
05:21:02,958 --> 05:21:05,040
know why wouldn't people in burgal have

4961
05:21:05,040 --> 05:21:07,798
an opportunity to access this

4962
05:21:07,798 --> 05:21:09,680
opportunity for the Vates do you see

4963
05:21:09,680 --> 05:21:11,878
what I'm saying I I do I mean it's

4964
05:21:11,878 --> 05:21:14,240
proximity and history I mean and I'm

4965
05:21:14,240 --> 05:21:16,040
just playing The Devil's Advocate by

4966
05:21:16,040 --> 05:21:20,320
saying that but but you know unless if

4967
05:21:20,320 --> 05:21:22,240
we're trying to get away from it being a

4968
05:21:22,240 --> 05:21:25,440
money-making proposition and and and

4969
05:21:25,440 --> 05:21:28,920
then too I I don't really understand in

4970
05:21:28,920 --> 05:21:32,878
light of this Facebook advertisement

4971
05:21:32,878 --> 05:21:35,840
that appears to be a

4972
05:21:35,840 --> 05:21:40,840
solicitation for for s ing uh boat ramp

4973
05:21:40,840 --> 05:21:44,240
access how many of these are

4974
05:21:44,240 --> 05:21:47,520
outstanding and if

4975
05:21:47,520 --> 05:21:52,798
25 additional members to this Longo HOA

4976
05:21:52,798 --> 05:21:56,760
are permitted does that preclude anybody

4977
05:21:56,760 --> 05:22:00,040
that had previously purchased and

4978
05:22:00,040 --> 05:22:04,680
currently holds access to this boat

4979
05:22:04,680 --> 05:22:06,958
rra that

4980
05:22:06,958 --> 05:22:09,558
was we are not

4981
05:22:09,558 --> 05:22:12,638
currently well we're not currently

4982
05:22:12,638 --> 05:22:15,718
selling passes that that's we haven't s

4983
05:22:15,718 --> 05:22:17,958
how many people I guess maybe I should

4984
05:22:17,958 --> 05:22:21,200
ask this how many people outside of

4985
05:22:21,200 --> 05:22:23,000
Longo

4986
05:22:23,000 --> 05:22:27,200
HOA currently have access to use the

4987
05:22:27,200 --> 05:22:30,840
boat rep having paid an

4988
05:22:30,840 --> 05:22:34,360
amount Z zero different from what your

4989
05:22:34,360 --> 05:22:38,040
homeowners zero okay all right so what

4990
05:22:38,040 --> 05:22:39,760
was this all about that's

4991
05:22:39,760 --> 05:22:42,920
from when I when it came to my attention

4992
05:22:42,920 --> 05:22:46,798
2021 December 2021 and

4993
05:22:46,798 --> 05:22:49,760
2023 uh when it came to my attention

4994
05:22:49,760 --> 05:22:53,000
that the ramp was being used by members

4995
05:22:53,000 --> 05:22:55,638
other than longpoint Estates I told them

4996
05:22:55,638 --> 05:22:58,878
to stop doing that it's not allowed and

4997
05:22:58,878 --> 05:23:00,440
my understanding is they stopped doing

4998
05:23:00,440 --> 05:23:04,080
it which would have been it's I can't

4999
05:23:04,080 --> 05:23:06,120
hear really hey can we keep it down in

5000
05:23:06,120 --> 05:23:12,480
the audience please and and do and I've represented longpoint Estates

5001
05:23:12,480 --> 05:23:15,280
on a very limited basis really since the

5002
05:23:15,280 --> 05:23:18,360
I was before you all in 20123 for the

5003
05:23:18,360 --> 05:23:21,280
expansion um in the context of

5004
05:23:21,280 --> 05:23:24,080
representing them when I learned about

5005
05:23:24,080 --> 05:23:27,240
the others I guess historically using

5006
05:23:27,240 --> 05:23:27,920
the

5007
05:23:27,920 --> 05:23:30,400
ramp I said you can't do that under the

5008
05:23:30,400 --> 05:23:32,160
Pender County zoning ordinance you need

5009
05:23:32,160 --> 05:23:34,120
to stop doing that and my understanding

5010
05:23:34,120 --> 05:23:36,440
is they stopped doing it so correct me

5011
05:23:36,440 --> 05:23:38,080
if I'm wrong they haven't had anybody do

5012
05:23:38,080 --> 05:23:39,200
it

5013
05:23:39,200 --> 05:23:42,080
since I don't know I'm not sure when we

5014
05:23:42,080 --> 05:23:46,470
haven't probably haven't collected any

5015
05:23:46,480 --> 05:23:49,080
fees I I hate to say I may give you bad

5016
05:23:49,080 --> 05:23:52,320
information but I suspect it it was the

5017
05:23:52,320 --> 05:23:53,520
beginning

5018
05:23:53,520 --> 05:23:56,590
of

5019
05:23:56,600 --> 05:24:00,440
2023 maybe and as soon as we were

5020
05:24:00,440 --> 05:24:04,000
informed that this is not it's not legal

5021
05:24:04,000 --> 05:24:05,840
U we stopped and we had informed

5022
05:24:05,840 --> 05:24:07,718
everybody that wouldn't be selling

5023
05:24:07,718 --> 05:24:10,240
passes until we had a opportunity to

5024
05:24:10,240 --> 05:24:13,718
come before you and hopefully get the

5025
05:24:13,718 --> 05:24:17,840
blessing to do that again um so soon as

5026
05:24:17,840 --> 05:24:20,320
we found out that we were not compliant

5027
05:24:20,320 --> 05:24:24,958
we stopped and I'd have to say we we we

5028
05:24:24,958 --> 05:24:28,718
get calls daily about when can we do it

5029
05:24:28,718 --> 05:24:30,600
again and we just have to tell them we

5030
05:24:30,600 --> 05:24:33,160
don't know and and that's really why

5031
05:24:33,160 --> 05:24:35,160
we're here to see if the board will

5032
05:24:35,160 --> 05:24:40,798
allow the use by others to resume under

5033
05:24:40,798 --> 05:24:42,878
this at this point if it was allowed by

5034
05:24:42,878 --> 05:24:44,680
the board I would say the benefit of it

5035
05:24:44,680 --> 05:24:46,160
is there would be a special use permit

5036
05:24:46,160 --> 05:24:48,840
in place which would be a clear

5037
05:24:48,840 --> 05:24:52,440
enforcable framework with conditions

5038
05:24:52,440 --> 05:24:54,400
that that would set out all the

5039
05:24:54,400 --> 05:24:56,080
parameters in which case we would ask

5040
05:24:56,080 --> 05:24:59,400
for simply 25 additional how how can you

5041
05:24:59,400 --> 05:25:02,920
ask for 25 when you're limiting access

5042
05:25:02,920 --> 05:25:05,760
to a specific

5043
05:25:05,760 --> 05:25:16,440
group I.E gray St Stone and watch what is it which may have more folks

5044
05:25:16,440 --> 05:25:17,280
than

5045
05:25:17,280 --> 05:25:21,000
25 um and I'd like to ask Trey a

5046
05:25:21,000 --> 05:25:23,480
question I would assume you do a lottery

5047
05:25:23,480 --> 05:25:27,360
how would you how would you determine 25 first come

5048
05:25:27,360 --> 05:25:32,280
first serve or lottery or I don't have I think the fair thing to do would be to

5049
05:25:32,280 --> 05:25:36,160
look back at the folks that had passes

5050
05:25:36,160 --> 05:25:39,798
in the past and offer it to them I I

5051
05:25:39,798 --> 05:25:41,798
don't I don't

5052
05:25:41,798 --> 05:25:44,400
think how how would that work when in

5053
05:25:44,400 --> 05:25:47,360
fact the folks that had passes in the

5054
05:25:47,360 --> 05:25:50,000
past some were not part of Greystone and

5055
05:25:50,000 --> 05:25:53,280
hammock watch yeah that only those that

5056
05:25:53,280 --> 05:25:56,638
were in Greystone or hammock watch we we

5057
05:25:56,638 --> 05:25:59,280
the only pass holders that we would have

5058
05:25:59,280 --> 05:26:01,760
would be from those two communities we

5059
05:26:01,760 --> 05:26:04,080
don't we don't think or know that we'll

5060
05:26:04,080 --> 05:26:07,240
even have 25 folks step up as but for

5061
05:26:07,240 --> 05:26:08,760
the reasons we pointed out earlier

5062
05:26:08,760 --> 05:26:11,360
hammock watch has a total of I think

5063
05:26:11,360 --> 05:26:13,798
five folks that don't have direct water

5064
05:26:13,798 --> 05:26:15,360
access and I don't know that all five

5065
05:26:15,360 --> 05:26:17,878
have a boat and then the Greystone

5066
05:26:17,878 --> 05:26:21,840
Community 29 develop Lots out of

5067
05:26:21,840 --> 05:26:23,920
35

5068
05:26:23,920 --> 05:26:26,958
um I'm just guessing but I don't know

5069
05:26:26,958 --> 05:26:28,480
that we would have 20 of those that

5070
05:26:28,480 --> 05:26:30,760
would want be interested in the pass so

5071
05:26:30,760 --> 05:26:32,760
but that those are the only

5072
05:26:32,760 --> 05:26:35,558
two you would really need to have an

5073
05:26:35,558 --> 05:26:40,120
opportunity to allow them

5074
05:26:40,120 --> 05:26:46,480
yes uh the the 25 was is really just to

5075
05:26:46,480 --> 05:26:49,840
have a look at it and we we're fairly

5076
05:26:49,840 --> 05:26:51,840
certain that 40 would not be a parking

5077
05:26:51,840 --> 05:26:55,680
problem but 25 if it a lays any concerns

5078
05:26:55,680 --> 05:26:59,280
with surrounding communities um if we

5079
05:26:59,280 --> 05:27:02,280
had excess of 25 that wanted them we

5080
05:27:02,280 --> 05:27:04,638
wouldn't be able to sell those it would

5081
05:27:04,638 --> 05:27:07,480
be on a on a lottery basis as I believe

5082
05:27:07,480 --> 05:27:09,320
the chairman mentioned

5083
05:27:09,320 --> 05:27:12,440
um Mr Nichols can I ask you a question

5084
05:27:12,440 --> 05:27:16,200
ma'am we've heard from Washington Acres

5085
05:27:16,200 --> 05:27:19,440
residents who have deeded exclusive

5086
05:27:19,440 --> 05:27:20,840
water

5087
05:27:20,840 --> 05:27:25,638
rights what is the situation with the um

5088
05:27:25,638 --> 05:27:26,920
Long

5089
05:27:26,920 --> 05:27:28,680
Point

5090
05:27:28,680 --> 05:27:30,680
um

5091
05:27:30,680 --> 05:27:33,638
Deeds I don't States I don't know that

5092
05:27:33,638 --> 05:27:35,920
deed was brought are there deeded

5093
05:27:35,920 --> 05:27:39,760
exclusive water rights

5094
05:27:39,760 --> 05:27:43,360
well I that deed was brought to my

5095
05:27:43,360 --> 05:27:45,920
attention now I'm talking about anybody

5096
05:27:45,920 --> 05:27:49,920
that has a yellow dot on this exhibit

5097
05:27:49,920 --> 05:27:53,600
that has access to this boat dock do

5098
05:27:53,600 --> 05:27:55,520
they have

5099
05:27:55,520 --> 05:27:57,120
exed

5100
05:27:57,120 --> 05:28:00,150
exclusive

5101
05:28:00,160 --> 05:28:04,240
rights well to this boat doc as members

5102
05:28:04,240 --> 05:28:07,760
of the longpoint Estates HOA they have

5103
05:28:07,760 --> 05:28:10,760
access to the Long Point Estates

5104
05:28:10,760 --> 05:28:12,600
ho

5105
05:28:12,600 --> 05:28:17,160
deed as do the folks in Washington

5106
05:28:17,160 --> 05:28:21,040
AC does the Long Point

5107
05:28:21,040 --> 05:28:25,360
Estates homeowners that that are yellow

5108
05:28:25,360 --> 05:28:30,600
does their deed specify that they have

5109
05:28:30,600 --> 05:28:34,638
exclusive rights to utilize that boat

5110
05:28:34,638 --> 05:28:38,200
slip sir I'm not talking to you really

5111
05:28:38,200 --> 05:28:41,480
truly I'm not and I'm tired of the

5112
05:28:41,480 --> 05:28:44,200
chatter Comm commissioner Newton I do

5113
05:28:44,200 --> 05:28:46,160
not know the answer to that question I'm

5114
05:28:46,160 --> 05:28:48,718
going to ask if perhaps Ellen do you

5115
05:28:48,718 --> 05:28:50,160
know the answer to that question as to

5116
05:28:50,160 --> 05:28:52,280
how the how those deeds actually read in

5117
05:28:52,280 --> 05:28:54,480
Long Point

5118
05:28:54,480 --> 05:28:57,798
or come up to the mic please man' and

5119
05:28:57,798 --> 05:29:01,240
because the thing concerns me from a

5120
05:29:01,240 --> 05:29:05,878
legal perspective if in fact that Clause

5121
05:29:05,878 --> 05:29:10,400
exists in the long Point EST States

5122
05:29:10,400 --> 05:29:14,638
Deeds how what right would we have then

5123
05:29:14,638 --> 05:29:18,440
to go forward and say okay irregardless

5124
05:29:18,440 --> 05:29:21,360
of what these deeds and any irregardless

5125
05:29:21,360 --> 05:29:24,160
of this exclusive nature of these water

5126
05:29:24,160 --> 05:29:26,798
rights in this community go ahead open

5127
05:29:26,798 --> 05:29:28,680
the door

5128
05:29:28,680 --> 05:29:31,160
see so I think what you're referring to

5129
05:29:31,160 --> 05:29:33,280
if I'm correct is the individual Deeds

5130
05:29:33,280 --> 05:29:35,638
of the individual lot owners yes okay

5131
05:29:35,638 --> 05:29:38,440
and so I my recollection of what those

5132
05:29:38,440 --> 05:29:42,280
say is some of them give them individual

5133
05:29:42,280 --> 05:29:45,680
assignments of boat slips but none of

5134
05:29:45,680 --> 05:29:53,878
them talk about the boat ramp so they give them membership in the HOA

5135
05:29:53,878 --> 05:29:57,040
itself and then the HOA itself owns that

5136
05:29:57,040 --> 05:30:00,558
real property to which that boat ramp is

5137
05:30:00,558 --> 05:30:03,440
attached or sits on and then some of

5138
05:30:03,440 --> 05:30:07,400
them were given deed boat slip access

5139
05:30:07,400 --> 05:30:09,360
which has been a separate topic of much

5140
05:30:09,360 --> 05:30:11,080
discussion amongst the community about

5141
05:30:11,080 --> 05:30:13,200
whether that's legal or not um but

5142
05:30:13,200 --> 05:30:15,840
whoever drafted up those deeds did give

5143
05:30:15,840 --> 05:30:19,840
them some specific boat slip assignments

5144
05:30:19,840 --> 05:30:23,600
and the exclusive use of certain boat

5145
05:30:23,600 --> 05:30:26,558
slips but I have not reviewed any Deeds

5146
05:30:26,558 --> 05:30:28,440
I've not reviewed all of them obviously

5147
05:30:28,440 --> 05:30:30,000
there are a lot of them but I've have

5148
05:30:30,000 --> 05:30:32,400
not reviewed any Deeds that specifically

5149
05:30:32,400 --> 05:30:36,040
give them exclusive use of the boat ramp

5150
05:30:36,040 --> 05:30:38,680
so just for example and uh I'm not going

5151
05:30:38,680 --> 05:30:42,080
to get too far further down in the weeds

5152
05:30:42,080 --> 05:30:45,760
but these property owners in Longo

5153
05:30:45,760 --> 05:30:49,600
Estates that have are on the water that

5154
05:30:49,600 --> 05:30:52,680
are the red dots they're red dots

5155
05:30:52,680 --> 05:30:56,240
because they have a boat slit on their

5156
05:30:56,240 --> 05:30:58,958
property I don't know why they are red

5157
05:30:58,958 --> 05:31:02,000
dots um there are my understanding is

5158
05:31:02,000 --> 05:31:05,280
four Waterfront lots that have boat

5159
05:31:05,280 --> 05:31:08,040
slips or docks on their own property

5160
05:31:08,040 --> 05:31:11,240
that are individual docs okay um but

5161
05:31:11,240 --> 05:31:13,320
what I've seen when I've gone back

5162
05:31:13,320 --> 05:31:16,120
through all their HOA documents is there

5163
05:31:16,120 --> 05:31:18,280
were plat Maps recorded there was an

5164
05:31:18,280 --> 05:31:21,240
original declaration recorded annexing a

5165
05:31:21,240 --> 05:31:23,320
the first few Lots into longpoint

5166
05:31:23,320 --> 05:31:26,160
Estates and then the annexation kind of

5167
05:31:26,160 --> 05:31:29,638
went two Lots at a time one lot at a

5168
05:31:29,638 --> 05:31:32,240
time and it was no longer the developer

5169
05:31:32,240 --> 05:31:35,480
annexing Lots into the HOA but rather

5170
05:31:35,480 --> 05:31:37,400
the individual property owners who had

5171
05:31:37,400 --> 05:31:40,040
purchased the Lots from the developer I

5172
05:31:40,040 --> 05:31:42,958
believe that coincided with the bank

5173
05:31:42,958 --> 05:31:45,080
foreclosure and other things that

5174
05:31:45,080 --> 05:31:47,440
happened and I just don't believe that

5175
05:31:47,440 --> 05:31:50,000
the HOA fully

5176
05:31:50,000 --> 05:31:53,000
developed um as the neighborhood was

5177
05:31:53,000 --> 05:31:56,040
developing so it it became a situation

5178
05:31:56,040 --> 05:31:58,200
where after a certain period of time

5179
05:31:58,200 --> 05:32:01,440
what you see is certain Lots voluntarily

5180
05:32:01,440 --> 05:32:04,760
joining the HOA and voluntarily becoming

5181
05:32:04,760 --> 05:32:07,558
annexed into the HOA but there was not a

5182
05:32:07,558 --> 05:32:08,718
m

5183
05:32:08,718 --> 05:32:11,480
PUD type scheme where the entire

5184
05:32:11,480 --> 05:32:14,120
neighborhood was put into an HOA like

5185
05:32:14,120 --> 05:32:16,480
you would see today if and you know

5186
05:32:16,480 --> 05:32:18,240
developer came and applied for that

5187
05:32:18,240 --> 05:32:21,440
right to do so so it's it is very

5188
05:32:21,440 --> 05:32:24,360
confusing but we've got 23 Lots within

5189
05:32:24,360 --> 05:32:29,558
the HOA again of those 19 have slips in

5190
05:32:29,558 --> 05:32:32,760
community boating facilities and four

5191
05:32:32,760 --> 05:32:35,440
have slips on attached to individual

5192
05:32:35,440 --> 05:32:37,240
peers that come off their waterfront

5193
05:32:37,240 --> 05:32:38,680
property

5194
05:32:38,680 --> 05:32:42,160
so when everything that you just said to

5195
05:32:42,160 --> 05:32:46,840
us you're referring to longpoint

5196
05:32:46,840 --> 05:32:50,280
Estates yes as distinguished and

5197
05:32:50,280 --> 05:32:54,480
distinct from Washington Acres property

5198
05:32:54,480 --> 05:32:58,240
owners who have deeded exclusive

5199
05:32:58,240 --> 05:33:00,360
rights yes and I believe the the

5200
05:33:00,360 --> 05:33:02,520
discussion about the exclusive rights

5201
05:33:02,520 --> 05:33:04,878
had to do with the common area itself

5202
05:33:04,878 --> 05:33:07,798
not the individual Lots owned by the

5203
05:33:07,798 --> 05:33:12,230
individuals within longpoint

5204
05:33:12,240 --> 05:33:18,788
Estates thank

5205
05:33:18,798 --> 05:33:21,160
you one more

5206
05:33:21,160 --> 05:33:23,080
question this

5207
05:33:23,080 --> 05:33:27,798
work uh I I trust your um legal

5208
05:33:27,798 --> 05:33:31,600
Acuity having had many cases with you in

5209
05:33:31,600 --> 05:33:34,040
the past do you see any

5210
05:33:34,040 --> 05:33:39,160
reason uh that we couldn't allow this

5211
05:33:39,160 --> 05:33:42,120
legally I do not um if anything I I

5212
05:33:42,120 --> 05:33:44,520
think it's a totally separate issue but

5213
05:33:44,520 --> 05:33:46,920
I do not see any reason why the special

5214
05:33:46,920 --> 05:33:50,240
use permit could not be approved as been

5215
05:33:50,240 --> 05:33:52,840
applied for with respect to longpoint

5216
05:33:52,840 --> 05:33:55,760
Estates and having heard Washington

5217
05:33:55,760 --> 05:33:59,360
Acres uh Property Owners uh talk about

5218
05:33:59,360 --> 05:34:01,120
their deeds and their deed restrictions

5219
05:34:01,120 --> 05:34:03,558
and their exclusive rights that doesn't

5220
05:34:03,558 --> 05:34:07,200
in any way impact this homeowners

5221
05:34:07,200 --> 05:34:09,840
association on Long Point I don't I

5222
05:34:09,840 --> 05:34:11,680
don't believe it does to the extent that

5223
05:34:11,680 --> 05:34:14,280
again what Longo Estates is asking for

5224
05:34:14,280 --> 05:34:15,920
is a special use permit for its

5225
05:34:15,920 --> 05:34:19,120
Community voting facility now whether or

5226
05:34:19,120 --> 05:34:22,120
not Washington acres has an issue with

5227
05:34:22,120 --> 05:34:25,200
longpoint Estates head-to-head on some

5228
05:34:25,200 --> 05:34:27,878
other issues you know I don't know I

5229
05:34:27,878 --> 05:34:29,638
have not investigated the validity of

5230
05:34:29,638 --> 05:34:31,200
that I I didn't mean to put you on the

5231
05:34:31,200 --> 05:34:34,160
spot that's okay but certainly you've

5232
05:34:34,160 --> 05:34:38,360
had more opportunity to review um the

5233
05:34:38,360 --> 05:34:42,080
documents and deed restrictions then certainly we have so thank you

5234
05:34:42,080 --> 05:34:46,310
thank

5235
05:34:46,320 --> 05:34:49,120
you any other questions comments for the

5236
05:34:49,120 --> 05:34:51,520
applicant or

5237
05:34:51,520 --> 05:34:55,558
staff if not

5238
05:34:55,558 --> 05:34:58,798
s do we have a motion

5239
05:34:58,798 --> 05:35:08,350
for to deny

5240
05:35:08,360 --> 05:35:10,360
I um just got some discussion I'm trying

5241
05:35:10,360 --> 05:35:12,878
to wrap my head around

5242
05:35:12,878 --> 05:35:15,120
this that's a pretty significant amount

5243
05:35:15,120 --> 05:35:16,840
of property when compared to the other

5244
05:35:16,840 --> 05:35:18,878
boat

5245
05:35:18,878 --> 05:35:21,920
ramp I just

5246
05:35:21,920 --> 05:35:24,600
don't I'm struggling

5247
05:35:24,600 --> 05:35:27,400
with that private

5248
05:35:27,400 --> 05:35:29,760
property and the owners of that private

5249
05:35:29,760 --> 05:35:31,080
property not being able to do what they

5250
05:35:31,080 --> 05:35:33,840
want to with it and with a reasonable

5251
05:35:33,840 --> 05:35:36,638
means

5252
05:35:36,638 --> 05:35:39,160
um you know if it if I was a part of the

5253
05:35:39,160 --> 05:35:41,480
Long Point folks and I wanted to have a

5254
05:35:41,480 --> 05:35:45,958
limited amount of um users to use

5255
05:35:45,958 --> 05:35:48,958
that I mean I why should that be the

5256
05:35:48,958 --> 05:35:51,680
government telling telling people I I

5257
05:35:51,680 --> 05:35:56,160
just don't I have a problem with that

5258
05:35:56,160 --> 05:36:00,718
um I understand both sides I do but uh

5259
05:36:00,718 --> 05:36:03,680
and I understand the the the difficult

5260
05:36:03,680 --> 05:36:05,240
the

5261
05:36:05,240 --> 05:36:07,958
difficulty of boat access in pend County

5262
05:36:07,958 --> 05:36:09,520
I wish there was some more public ramps

5263
05:36:09,520 --> 05:36:12,160
too I've used slop point I use rights

5264
05:36:12,160 --> 05:36:13,718
full Beach a lot but I have to do it at

5265
05:36:13,718 --> 05:36:14,958
4:00 in the

5266
05:36:14,958 --> 05:36:16,920
morning

5267
05:36:16,920 --> 05:36:19,920
um

5268
05:36:19,920 --> 05:36:22,520
but I'm trying to the thing about it

5269
05:36:22,520 --> 05:36:24,120
with me

5270
05:36:24,120 --> 05:36:26,680
is Washington acres has been using

5271
05:36:26,680 --> 05:36:29,760
theirs for years and has significantly

5272
05:36:29,760 --> 05:36:32,520
less property and I can't recall of any

5273
05:36:32,520 --> 05:36:33,840
major

5274
05:36:33,840 --> 05:36:39,990
problems that they've had

5275
05:36:40,000 --> 05:36:42,760
I I would be in favor of a very limited

5276
05:36:42,760 --> 05:36:46,638
amount of usage from The Long Point

5277
05:36:46,638 --> 05:36:49,440
side I

5278
05:36:49,440 --> 05:36:52,040
mean I don't even know why we're here

5279
05:36:52,040 --> 05:36:54,520
talking about that I mean I'm I I like

5280
05:36:54,520 --> 05:36:56,600
the idea of private property owners

5281
05:36:56,600 --> 05:36:58,200
being able to do what they want to

5282
05:36:58,200 --> 05:37:01,200
within the guidelines of not causing

5283
05:37:01,200 --> 05:37:08,270
pollution or anything like that but um

5284
05:37:08,280 --> 05:37:10,638
I would move I would uh make a motion to

5285
05:37:10,638 --> 05:37:12,798
move for

5286
05:37:12,798 --> 05:37:16,000
approval we how are we talking about 25

5287
05:37:16,000 --> 05:37:17,160
are we talking about that's what I was

5288
05:37:17,160 --> 05:37:19,480
getting ready to say stipulation of a

5289
05:37:19,480 --> 05:37:23,638
limited amount of usage not I mean not

5290
05:37:23,638 --> 05:37:24,840
to go over certain amount and then it

5291
05:37:24,840 --> 05:37:27,080
begs the question how are you going to

5292
05:37:27,080 --> 05:37:30,320
enforce that with the parking stickers I

5293
05:37:30,320 --> 05:37:31,958
would I would imagine now how would you

5294
05:37:31,958 --> 05:37:35,000
enforce it if 40 of them go park because

5295
05:37:35,000 --> 05:37:38,760
we can't enforce that private property

5296
05:37:38,760 --> 05:37:41,558
so that's that's the other

5297
05:37:41,558 --> 05:37:43,400
question the only time that can be

5298
05:37:43,400 --> 05:37:44,920
enforced the sheriff can enforce it and

5299
05:37:44,920 --> 05:37:46,360
Highway Patrol can enforce it when

5300
05:37:46,360 --> 05:37:49,040
they're on the public RightWay Trey is

5301
05:37:49,040 --> 05:37:50,480
that correct if they're on the public

5302
05:37:50,480 --> 05:37:53,120
right impeding traffic they can be to

5303
05:37:53,120 --> 05:37:53,798
yes

5304
05:37:53,798 --> 05:37:57,400
sir I mean private property couldn't we

5305
05:37:57,400 --> 05:38:01,040
task the homeowners association with the

5306
05:38:01,040 --> 05:38:04,000
responsibility of ensuring no

5307
05:38:04,000 --> 05:38:07,718
obstruction to have that diligence and

5308
05:38:07,718 --> 05:38:09,718
doing that and that would be that would

5309
05:38:09,718 --> 05:38:11,160
be in play

5310
05:38:11,160 --> 05:38:13,480
automatically it should yeah it should

5311
05:38:13,480 --> 05:38:16,080
be we we well that's not at the here

5312
05:38:16,080 --> 05:38:17,958
tonight yeah well it's not at the public

5313
05:38:17,958 --> 05:38:19,920
boat R it's called Sloop Point them poor

5314
05:38:19,920 --> 05:38:21,480
folks that live along slute Point Road

5315
05:38:21,480 --> 05:38:24,120
are catching it yeah but

5316
05:38:24,120 --> 05:38:26,958
um so so my only my only condition was

5317
05:38:26,958 --> 05:38:29,558
the one about the upkeep of grounds yeah

5318
05:38:29,558 --> 05:38:31,120
well I I would definitely be in favor of

5319
05:38:31,120 --> 05:38:33,958
that and and making sure that there's

5320
05:38:33,958 --> 05:38:36,680
no you know the erosion controls there

5321
05:38:36,680 --> 05:38:38,478
and things like like that you would I

5322
05:38:38,478 --> 05:38:41,320
mean nobody wants to pollute the Estuary

5323
05:38:41,320 --> 05:38:43,080
there I use the Waterway as much as

5324
05:38:43,080 --> 05:38:45,840
anybody in this room and uh I try to be

5325
05:38:45,840 --> 05:38:47,440
a good Steward of

5326
05:38:47,440 --> 05:38:50,510
it

5327
05:38:50,520 --> 05:38:53,718
but if it's not being utilized and a

5328
05:38:53,718 --> 05:38:55,638
private body wants to be able to little

5329
05:38:55,638 --> 05:38:59,120
let a some limited folks utilize it I

5330
05:38:59,120 --> 05:39:01,440
mean I think that should be up to

5331
05:39:01,440 --> 05:39:04,080
them and I'll second that

5332
05:39:04,080 --> 05:39:06,638
motion Mr with the stipulation of a

5333
05:39:06,638 --> 05:39:10,520
limited amount of 25 or less or how you

5334
05:39:10,520 --> 05:39:12,840
know no not

5335
05:39:12,840 --> 05:39:14,600
over maybe

5336
05:39:14,600 --> 05:39:17,680
25 um Mr chairman if I may I do have

5337
05:39:17,680 --> 05:39:19,200
some language I've drafted up and I

5338
05:39:19,200 --> 05:39:22,680
think Daniel might have some as well um

5339
05:39:22,680 --> 05:39:25,478
we can take this one at a time so the

5340
05:39:25,478 --> 05:39:27,160
language I have and feel free to provide

5341
05:39:27,160 --> 05:39:30,878
any feedback or request any corrections

5342
05:39:30,878 --> 05:39:33,080
um owner to ensure precautions are taken

5343
05:39:33,080 --> 05:39:36,240
to minimize erosion and runoff and

5344
05:39:36,240 --> 05:39:39,958
related impacts to public trust

5345
05:39:39,958 --> 05:39:41,878
Waters is that in line with your

5346
05:39:41,878 --> 05:39:43,840
intention Mr

5347
05:39:43,840 --> 05:39:47,600
George is that language satisfactory yes

5348
05:39:47,600 --> 05:39:51,280
okay sounds perfect and then the other

5349
05:39:51,280 --> 05:39:54,718
condition um for commissioner Newton

5350
05:39:54,718 --> 05:39:57,440
owner to ensure no obstructions to

5351
05:39:57,440 --> 05:40:02,430
traffic movements along Hughes

5352
05:40:02,440 --> 05:40:06,240
Road just just for one more just for

5353
05:40:06,240 --> 05:40:07,840
discussion one of the other issues we

5354
05:40:07,840 --> 05:40:12,200
had at at a previous spot was

5355
05:40:12,200 --> 05:40:14,320
lighting is there lighting I didn't even

5356
05:40:14,320 --> 05:40:17,280
think to ask is there Lighting on this I

5357
05:40:17,280 --> 05:40:31,708
didn't I couldn't tell in the

5358
05:40:31,718 --> 05:40:34,320
pictures the issue at the other facility

5359
05:40:34,320 --> 05:40:35,840
I'm talking about with a special use

5360
05:40:35,840 --> 05:40:39,520
permit is lighting over into a private

5361
05:40:39,520 --> 05:40:44,718
homeowner yeah so I don't know that we need to make that a condition maybe

5362
05:40:44,718 --> 05:40:48,320
from the future may become a problem the

5363
05:40:48,320 --> 05:40:51,468
homeowner will come and

5364
05:40:51,478 --> 05:40:55,360
complain I I like those two um but I

5365
05:40:55,360 --> 05:40:57,600
think that we're going to get in trouble

5366
05:40:57,600 --> 05:40:58,760
if we

5367
05:40:58,760 --> 05:41:02,558
start really confining it to a number

5368
05:41:02,558 --> 05:41:06,798
because if you say 25 and you've got 32

5369
05:41:06,798 --> 05:41:08,200
people

5370
05:41:08,200 --> 05:41:12,958
in gray gry stone and then the whatever

5371
05:41:12,958 --> 05:41:15,760
the watch Community what's the name of

5372
05:41:15,760 --> 05:41:18,840
hammock watch what hammock watch hammock

5373
05:41:18,840 --> 05:41:21,360
watch if if you've only got five in

5374
05:41:21,360 --> 05:41:22,798
Hammock

5375
05:41:22,798 --> 05:41:28,160
watch and uh how many did we say in

5376
05:41:28,160 --> 05:41:31,520
Greystone had 35

5377
05:41:31,520 --> 05:41:34,240
Lots so we're really only looking at

5378
05:41:34,240 --> 05:41:37,840
four I don't know why we C count three

5379
05:41:37,840 --> 05:41:40,600
potential in Long Point that has well I

5380
05:41:40,600 --> 05:41:45,080
think Mr Nichols was I think the HOA and

5381
05:41:45,080 --> 05:41:47,240
the and the the applicant was willing to

5382
05:41:47,240 --> 05:41:49,400
work with the community I do think that

5383
05:41:49,400 --> 05:41:52,000
so yeah and I think it was their intent

5384
05:41:52,000 --> 05:41:57,080
to to make whole gray watch and hammock

5385
05:41:57,080 --> 05:42:00,760
um gry Stone and hammock watch

5386
05:42:00,760 --> 05:42:04,200
so you know I whatever limitations they

5387
05:42:04,200 --> 05:42:06,760
want to put on it I would certainly say

5388
05:42:06,760 --> 05:42:08,558
that that would

5389
05:42:08,558 --> 05:42:15,350
be the folks that should be allowed

5390
05:42:15,360 --> 05:42:22,670
access if that's what I

5391
05:42:22,680 --> 05:42:28,360
heard so so now your turn again would

5392
05:42:28,360 --> 05:42:31,280
you like to restate that motion all

5393
05:42:31,280 --> 05:42:33,958
that well yeah I'll just I'll restate

5394
05:42:33,958 --> 05:42:38,280
the motion to put forward um with the

5395
05:42:38,280 --> 05:42:41,400
stipulations that staff has

5396
05:42:41,400 --> 05:42:44,360
added he's got a yeah he's com up

5397
05:42:44,360 --> 05:42:46,718
with and Mr Burton you would you could

5398
05:42:46,718 --> 05:42:49,920
also say the conditions um the standard

5399
05:42:49,920 --> 05:42:52,558
special use permit conditions yeah in

5400
05:42:52,558 --> 05:42:55,910
addition

5401
05:42:55,920 --> 05:43:00,070
yeah I I

5402
05:43:00,080 --> 05:43:02,360
still I'd hate to see a hundred people

5403
05:43:02,360 --> 05:43:05,040
getting access you know what I mean i'

5404
05:43:05,040 --> 05:43:08,558
I'd still like to see something with you

5405
05:43:08,558 --> 05:43:13,718
have that correct you have the limited I I do I have limited to 25 written down

5406
05:43:13,718 --> 05:43:15,280
okay but we can certainly Workshop that

5407
05:43:15,280 --> 05:43:17,478
now if you like do with

5408
05:43:17,478 --> 05:43:20,958
that so limited to 25 users external to

5409
05:43:20,958 --> 05:43:22,958
the that that the applicant has agreed

5410
05:43:22,958 --> 05:43:27,040
to publicly right so but are we talking

5411
05:43:27,040 --> 05:43:31,200
about 25 users from Greystone or the

5412
05:43:31,200 --> 05:43:33,760
first 25 the first

5413
05:43:33,760 --> 05:43:36,280
2 they do that I think that's up to them

5414
05:43:36,280 --> 05:43:38,638
how they talking about so just to so I

5415
05:43:38,638 --> 05:43:40,638
just want to clarify something to that

5416
05:43:40,638 --> 05:43:43,638
point so in terms of the use of the pro

5417
05:43:43,638 --> 05:43:45,120
the proposed use here in the continued

5418
05:43:45,120 --> 05:43:46,760
use here is a community boating facility

5419
05:43:46,760 --> 05:43:48,320
so it has to be within the purview of

5420
05:43:48,320 --> 05:43:50,200
that Collective Owners Group which we

5421
05:43:50,200 --> 05:43:51,798
have the memorandum of understanding for

5422
05:43:51,798 --> 05:43:53,600
those two communities so we could say

5423
05:43:53,600 --> 05:43:55,320
limited to

5424
05:43:55,320 --> 05:43:58,160
25 within those two communities in

5425
05:43:58,160 --> 05:44:00,120
addition to Long

5426
05:44:00,120 --> 05:44:02,520
Point that sounds fine wouldn't

5427
05:44:02,520 --> 05:44:05,400
it I I just don't think it's fair when

5428
05:44:05,400 --> 05:44:08,080
we're so close if there's three or four

5429
05:44:08,080 --> 05:44:10,320
more that wanted

5430
05:44:10,320 --> 05:44:14,558
access yeah from gray gray rock you got

5431
05:44:14,558 --> 05:44:17,240
start somewhere I think I mean yeah if

5432
05:44:17,240 --> 05:44:18,878
they're satisfied with that the

5433
05:44:18,878 --> 05:44:22,360
applicant satisfied with 25 then then

5434
05:44:22,360 --> 05:44:28,110
that's

5435
05:44:28,120 --> 05:44:31,760
it I think we close

5436
05:44:31,760 --> 05:44:33,878
that is

5437
05:44:33,878 --> 05:44:37,478
that want to speak to the numbers MD we

5438
05:44:37,478 --> 05:44:39,400
have a motion on the table we' already

5439
05:44:39,400 --> 05:44:42,280
started that all right so are we

5440
05:44:42,280 --> 05:44:45,440
restating the motion he's he's restated

5441
05:44:45,440 --> 05:44:49,120
it I've restated it as staff has

5442
05:44:49,120 --> 05:44:51,878
written and he's got it in there for the

5443
05:44:51,878 --> 05:44:56,000
25 okay I think that's reasonable I'll

5444
05:44:56,000 --> 05:44:58,638
second it all those in favor raise your

5445
05:44:58,638 --> 05:45:04,190
right hand any

5446
05:45:04,200 --> 05:45:07,120
opposed I'm surprised you're still here

5447
05:45:07,120 --> 05:45:11,310
I thought you thank you

5448
05:45:11,320 --> 05:45:22,190
everyone it

5449
05:45:22,200 --> 05:45:26,000
passes so real quick

5450
05:45:26,000 --> 05:45:29,200
um I got an email while we were in close

5451
05:45:29,200 --> 05:45:32,440
session that people are getting their

5452
05:45:32,440 --> 05:45:33,760
and this will become a big issue you

5453
05:45:33,760 --> 05:45:34,840
hadn't been through this yet but it's

5454
05:45:34,840 --> 05:45:37,200
going fix it to people are getting their

5455
05:45:37,200 --> 05:45:40,200
way letter with no stickers in there and

5456
05:45:40,200 --> 05:45:41,638
they're calling the tax office and the

5457
05:45:41,638 --> 05:45:43,200
tax office is send them the utilities

5458
05:45:43,200 --> 05:45:45,000
and utilities is send them to Susan the

5459
05:45:45,000 --> 05:45:46,600
Su tell them they all got to go to or

5460
05:45:46,600 --> 05:45:47,718
somebody's telling them they all got to

5461
05:45:47,718 --> 05:45:50,240
go to Hamad to get them so we went

5462
05:45:50,240 --> 05:45:51,600
through this last year was a nightmare

5463
05:45:51,600 --> 05:46:05,910
with stickers was terrible it was

5464
05:46:05,920 --> 05:46:09,920
terrible for