[0:00] count in Jesus name
[0:05] Amen to FL flag of the United States of
[0:08] America and to the Republic for which it
[0:11] stands one nation under God indivisible
[0:16] liy and justice for all we have any
[0:19] veterans in the audience if you remain
[0:21] standing we recognized
[0:23] [Applause]
[0:30] thank you board members you've had an
[0:31] opportunity to review the agenda Mr
[0:34] manager I think there is one addition to
[0:36] the consent agenda yes sir chairman
[0:38] George I would like to add one item to
[0:40] the consent agenda it is going to be
[0:42] item 8.9 it's going to be a request to
[0:45] reclassify the solid waste coordinator
[0:47] position to Solid Waste
[0:52] superintendent is there a motion to
[0:54] approve the agenda with that Amendment
[0:57] motion to approve the agenda with item
[1:00] 8.9 added to
[1:03] reclassify um Solid Waste Water position
[1:07] second all those in favor raise your
[1:09] right
[1:10] hand thank you board
[1:12] members we have a public hearing
[1:16] tonight Henry a public hearing for local
[1:19] match for funding of the 5311
[1:22] administrative Grant and combined
[1:24] Capital Grant an approval to transfer
[1:26] funds from roap allocation to 5310
[1:30] funding
[1:31] Grant so we are in under that public
[1:34] hearing is there any signups or anyone
[1:37] to speak to thatman George no one has
[1:40] signed
[1:45] up is there any the U material was sent
[1:48] is there any questions for the board or
[1:50] if you just want to briefly tell the
[1:52] public what what the grants for too the grant is for public transportation
[1:57] to
[1:58] transport um CI across the county or
[2:01] into generally new hanb County for
[2:03] medical treatment um often it's dialysis
[2:07] and those types of uh needs it's to
[2:10] purchase two new vehicles as well as for
[2:12] our administrative match that'd be for
[2:15] the next fisal
[2:18] year any questions board
[2:22] members Tom this matching Grant um it's
[2:26] for the 25y year um gener right now now
[2:30] um NC do where we purchase our vehicles
[2:33] are running about a year and a half
[2:35] behind so it could be probably another
[2:37] year and a half before you actually
[2:39] receive
[2:41] those those vans they have to rack up
[2:43] some miles I'll see them all over the
[2:45] place hundreds of miles a
[2:48] day there's no other comments or
[2:50] questions we'll close the public hearing
[2:53] thank you thank
[2:57] you I think it's further in
[3:00] it's in the in the consent
[3:06] AGA public
[3:08] information recognizing Jamie flowers
[3:11] and Candace
[3:15] Brewer president Morton thank you for
[3:17] joining us tonight thank you appreciate
[3:20] the invitation and glad to be here um
[3:23] just to uh recognize two of our students
[3:26] and actually it's unusual because uh
[3:29] mother and daughter and they graduated
[3:32] at the same time we recognize the other
[3:33] day at the commencement and first I can
[3:36] introduce the mother of the team was uh
[3:39] Jamie flowers who earned her diploma in
[3:41] Pharmacy technology Jamie initially
[3:43] started the pharmacy technology program
[3:45] in
[3:47] 2003 but PA their education is to take
[3:49] care of a young kids and help them grow
[3:52] up but persistance pays off and here she
[3:55] is today in 2024 finishing that program
[3:58] she hopes to secure a position I in an
[4:00] inpatient facility where she can fulfill
[4:02] her passion for assisting pharmacist and
[4:04] providing patient care in addition have
[4:07] a daughter here as well Candace Brewer
[4:11] earned her uh diploma in Aesthetics
[4:15] graduated from pen High 6 months early
[4:18] looks his accomplishment and was drawn
[4:20] to cfcc a studies program due to her
[4:22] deep interest in the connection between
[4:23] exterior appearance and mental health
[4:26] well-being upon passing her state
[4:28] certification she hopes to work working
[4:30] at a salon where she can immerse herself
[4:32] in learning about the field her ultimate
[4:34] goal is to sort her own business but in
[4:37] addition to that cace also received the
[4:40] uh presence award which meant she had an
[4:42] overall GPA of 4.0 so it's impressive
[4:46] both were born and raised here in uh in
[4:48] pen County and currently reside in
[4:50] ainson and both chose cake fury because
[4:53] of the proximity to home affordability
[4:55] and overall reputation but what they
[4:58] don't re realize is that when we have
[5:00] commencement we typically give out uh
[5:02] basically a letter in a portfolio a
[5:05] folder and later because we have some
[5:07] many students we mail them but I have
[5:09] the originals here tonight for you so
[5:11] you don't have to wait for them in the
[5:12] mail okay so if you would you could come
[5:17] up that's to Jamie
[5:20] [Applause]
[5:24] first and then also for Kansas we have
[5:27] your diploma but also certific
[5:36] [Applause]
[5:43] don't stand up here on
[5:47] behind congratulations
[6:14] come over here
[6:16] okay
[6:17] right my
[6:24] camera thank you both thank
[6:26] congratulations
[6:29] [Applause]
[6:33] if I can why have your attention I just
[6:35] want to mention a couple things I looked
[6:37] at this morning overall we were up in
[6:39] our um attendance last year enrollment
[6:41] by 6% but actually in Pender County our
[6:44] curriculum side we uh we increased by
[6:47] over
[6:48] 133% this year over the last year and on
[6:51] the ConEd side contined education we're
[6:53] up 18 and a half per. this shows that we
[6:55] really are pushing hard in Pender County
[6:57] to increase the attendance and if you
[7:00] recall you know a couple years ago we
[7:01] bought two buildings over here in Bal
[7:04] and now we've received $4 million that
[7:06] go toward the expansion of Surf City
[7:09] pretty much duplicate the space we have
[7:11] there to add another 10,000 square ft
[7:13] and so we continue to do what we can
[7:15] here in pend County so thank you for
[7:16] your support thank
[7:23] you 6.2 annual update from Wallace
[7:26] Pender
[7:27] airport Mr Jones
[7:35] uh good afternoon uh board members my
[7:37] name is Ben Jones I'm the manager of
[7:39] Wallace Pender airport and uh we're
[7:41] happy to be here for our annual update
[7:44] and um here's our presentation here is
[7:47] this the clicker okay so um before I
[7:51] begin we have officially changed the
[7:53] name to uh from Henderson Field Airport
[7:56] to Wallace Pender Airport
[8:00] and
[8:01] um it's a very exciting partnership
[8:03] we've got going we love we appreciate
[8:05] all your support throughout the year and
[8:07] from the years past we also need is even
[8:10] the radio calls are now the proper radio
[8:13] call is Wallace Pender airport so Pilots
[8:15] here that Pender County uh across the
[8:18] radio and of course uh Mr Fred McCoy is
[8:20] one of our advisory council members so
[8:24] it's good to see you a lot of people
[8:25] don't realize that's in P the county
[8:27] wall yes yes yes
[8:32] sir so here's a little overview of the
[8:34] airport our identifier is Alpha Charlie
[8:38] Zulu right now the runway is
[8:41] 4,150 Ft uh we have 100 low Leed Avgas
[8:45] and we have jet a um we have a crew car
[8:48] for Pilots to use and we've had several
[8:50] Pilots that'll fly in across the state
[8:52] other states they'll use the crew car to
[8:54] go to burgal they use the crew car to go
[8:56] to in town Wallace to do other various
[8:58] business
[9:00] activities we have tie down and ramp
[9:02] Space storage places for planes to park
[9:05] for transient planes and also stationary
[9:08] planes right now uh we have 14 hangers
[9:11] there and we have an onfield uh
[9:13] maintenance facility that's privately
[9:14] run there as well that's aircraft
[9:18] maintenance um our clientele will get
[9:21] business jets that come from all the way
[9:22] from Austin Texas to look at new
[9:24] business
[9:25] opportunities and then we also of course
[9:28] they'll will have house raford come in
[9:30] to fly in their their check on their
[9:31] farms and we also have a lot of
[9:35] small two seater four-seater airplanes
[9:37] and these are families traveling across
[9:39] the country or they're for used for
[9:41] recreational or flight training
[9:46] purposes and uh here's our meet the crew
[9:49] U that's me on my name is Ben Jones
[9:51] there on the right I've got David pal he
[9:53] he's in the middle he's a part-time
[9:55] employee and I've got Anthony Roso on
[9:57] the left he's also a part-time employee
[10:02] and as you can see as the year's Trend
[10:03] we're getting busier and
[10:05] busier
[10:07] um 2023 physical year we were just right
[10:11] at the 6,000
[10:14] operations uh mark this year we broke
[10:17] the 7,000 operation Mark and I have
[10:19] print outs if you would like to see them
[10:20] later after my
[10:24] presentation so the biggest reason we're
[10:27] here today not only just for the yearly
[10:29] up update all these projects that we've
[10:31] been talking about is is finally coming
[10:33] together it's finally happened the grant
[10:35] money has been awarded and the bids are
[10:38] in and the road relocation project will
[10:41] be starting between November and
[10:44] December and as you can see Old bille
[10:48] Road and Wallace Airport Road will be
[10:50] rerouted and the old road will be
[10:53] reclaimed and the the runway will be
[10:55] extended to 5,500 ft and this is so
[10:59] important because more private jets and
[11:02] also more flow and of customers will be
[11:06] coming to the area spending money in
[11:09] Pender County and also the land around
[11:11] it can be developed for Aviation
[11:14] purposes bringing in a lot more jobs to
[11:16] the to the
[11:19] community and here's a closer look at
[11:22] the map as you can see and this has been
[11:24] on the wall of the of the FBO terminal
[11:26] for several years now and it's it's been
[11:29] at least a five-year project getting the
[11:31] do to approve and the grant money so
[11:34] look for changes around the rock fish
[11:36] area of of Pender County right there
[11:39] around the
[11:42] airport the second project we have which
[11:44] is happening even sooner it's going to
[11:47] be the runway rehab and lighting program
[11:49] we're going to be rehabing the existing
[11:51] Runway that we have now getting it ready
[11:54] to extend in possibly two years from now
[11:57] and it's all do Department of Aviation
[11:59] Grant funded through the dot and is
[12:02] going to me out the old existing Runway
[12:05] and we're getting new LED lights which
[12:08] are better for the pilots to see at
[12:09] night they also use less electricity and
[12:12] they also have a much longer life on
[12:15] those individual lights and of course
[12:18] the project will also be prepping for
[12:20] the runway extension and that'll be
[12:22] early September 2024 so now I'm thinking
[12:26] that's going to be more at end of later
[12:28] September 24 and this grant money has
[12:30] been already awarded and um Fred Smith
[12:34] Company got the bid for this individual
[12:36] project uh Barnhill got the bid for the
[12:40] re Road relocation
[12:45] project so now as we're expanding
[12:48] looking to the Future here is the map
[12:50] that shows
[12:51] you the F the total phase one
[12:55] project uh the the new phase one project
[12:57] will will have a parallel t tax way now
[13:00] Pilots have to land and Back Taxi to get
[13:03] to the ramp we'll have an actual
[13:05] parallel taxi way the new improvements
[13:07] are there are in the
[13:09] purple we'll also have a new FBO
[13:11] terminal building a 10 acre ramp which
[13:14] is in
[13:15] Orange um and the plan is to build
[13:17] corporate and general aviation tea
[13:20] hangers and as this airport grows the
[13:22] economic impacts for pendrick County I
[13:25] would say would was going to explode for
[13:27] this community because we're going to
[13:28] have so much more offered for larger
[13:31] companies to move to Pender County
[13:33] because they look how close their
[13:35] company or their Farm is based to a
[13:38] large general aviation
[13:42] airport H I didn't
[13:46] want and here's a larger map of the
[13:50] project of this is phase one phase uh
[13:52] the end of phase one this is after the
[13:54] road has been realigned the earliest for
[13:57] this the road has to be done first and
[13:59] that's a 365 Day project just for the
[14:02] road so next year that should be
[14:04] finished the phase one project is two to
[14:07] three years out in the time window for
[14:09] the runway extension and the parallel
[14:14] Runway and just a quick conclusion we we
[14:18] love serving our community uh we have
[14:20] the Young Eagles Boy Scouts they fly
[14:23] children from the age of 7 to 17 three
[14:26] times a year at the airport and and uh
[14:29] it's a free airplane ride for children
[14:31] in the and they can get their Aviation
[14:33] badge the bo Scouts and it's not just
[14:35] boys it's boys and girls in that age and
[14:37] it's a free airplane ride all they have
[14:39] to do is sign up in advance through our
[14:41] uh the the Young Eagles program and they
[14:43] can find that by calling the airport or
[14:45] also the EAA chapter here in bural at
[14:48] stag a park they also partnership with
[14:50] us there as
[14:52] well the mlad leadership academy also
[14:55] hosts a a ground School for Children uh
[14:57] interested in learning aviation jobs and
[15:00] they come three times a year and we host
[15:03] a class with the kids about different
[15:05] job opportunities in the world of
[15:07] Aviation and we're also connecting
[15:10] Pender County to the Future we're
[15:12] growing and seeing what other benefits
[15:15] and other opportunities we can bring to
[15:17] this area and I invite each and every
[15:20] one of you if you have any questions
[15:22] please do uh come by uh Wallace Pender
[15:25] airport we'll give you a tour and uh you
[15:27] can get in depth of more the projects
[15:29] that are upcoming to come and if there's any questions I'd be happy to
[15:33] answer them for Wallace they going to
[15:34] run a order and sewer line out there
[15:37] that is that's the plan that's in the
[15:39] works
[15:41] right is M
[15:44] there
[15:51] yeah and probably Sil would be a
[15:55] big that should be a big name changer
[15:57] get that Runway
[16:00] yes
[16:01] sir Mr Jones thank you for the uh the
[16:04] update on on that's wonderful to know
[16:07] that um that the
[16:08] airports partnering with with local
[16:11] communities especially the Young Eagles
[16:13] and Mount Calvary that's a great program
[16:15] to yes sir it really is and that's what
[16:18] it's about the youth yes sir we had our um 70th Anniversary flying
[16:23] this year too uh back in June 15th and
[16:26] we had over 200 PRP precip
[16:31] precipitates so that was very exciting
[16:33] as well awesome great so uh anytime you
[16:37] have any questions just please come on
[16:38] by and visit us and we really appreciate
[16:40] the support and grow Aviation and this
[16:44] community we appreciate it for Pender
[16:46] County and welcome Mr manager Mr Rob
[16:49] Taylor app
[16:52] Wallace Town manager
[16:54] there any other questions comments
[16:59] we appreciate it thank you yes sir thank
[17:04] you
[17:08] 6.3 fall Veterans Services update Miss
[17:18] Lee good evening everyone I just wanted
[17:21] to give some updates for late summer
[17:23] early fall things that are happening in
[17:25] our office um in our community for
[17:27] veterans
[17:28] so we do have the 911 coffee and
[17:31] breakfast for veterans that's going to
[17:33] be held at 9:00 at the Hamstead Library
[17:35] completely free uh we do ask because
[17:37] there's limited availability to just
[17:39] contact myself to
[17:41] RSVP there's also the monthly burgo
[17:44] veteran social that we're going to be
[17:45] doing at the old Carolina eery this
[17:48] month it is this Saturday from 10: to 12
[17:51] also free for veterans in their families
[17:53] to come join and come out and see
[17:55] us we will be hosting assist training
[17:58] which is is applied suicide intervention
[18:00] skills training on November 6th and 7th
[18:03] um that's going to be at the Hamstead
[18:05] Library again completely free um not
[18:08] just for veterans can be for law
[18:09] enforcement um anyone who's interested
[18:11] in attending um it can be used towards
[18:15] certain accreditations and cus depending
[18:16] on the field you work in again just
[18:18] please contact myself so I can save a
[18:20] spot for you because there's limited
[18:23] availability the Marine Corps League uh
[18:26] is going to be having their annual
[18:27] barbecue fundraiser I think Hamstead
[18:29] Annex uh going to be $12 per plate
[18:32] that's going to be on October 12th um
[18:34] you can contact again myself or any of
[18:36] our staff if you wanted to buy a ticket
[18:38] in advance or you can buy them right
[18:39] there that
[18:40] day operation green lights coming up
[18:43] again um you'll see me again next month
[18:45] to talk more in depth on that but that's
[18:46] going to be U observance in October but
[18:49] then the reflection of the lights from
[18:51] the 4th through the 11th at the uh
[18:53] County
[18:54] buildings there's going to be a virtual
[18:57] Town Hall coming up soon for the VHA for
[18:59] veterans to attend we're also working
[19:01] with them to try to get one in person
[19:04] here in Pender County so in the works no
[19:06] dates have been set
[19:08] yet um and here's just a little update
[19:11] that we got from the veterans benefit
[19:12] Administration the other day uh the
[19:14] biggest thing uh to highlight in this is
[19:16] that they have surpassed 2 million
[19:19] claims processed so far this fiscal year
[19:22] 2024 and the average Grant rate was
[19:25] 64.6% with which the average disability
[19:27] rating being around
[19:31] 70% and then then there's our contact
[19:38] information we thank you is there any
[19:41] questions comments appreciate what you
[19:43] do help me a lot to all the veterans and
[19:45] we really appreciate thank you what
[19:47] you're doing good to see you out last
[19:49] time at the coffee too yeah I like that
[19:52] it gives um gives veterans a place to go
[19:56] to socialize um
[19:59] I would like to see more of that as I
[20:01] think it would be helpful for members of
[20:04] the community whether it's U County
[20:07] sponsored event or not and um um
[20:10] Carolina eery is uh very good to sponsor
[20:14] that for our local vet so I want to
[20:17] shout out to to them they've been
[20:20] amazing and and we bring we try to bring
[20:22] in a different speaker each time so it's
[20:24] not the same thing over and over again
[20:26] um again no pressure to you know towards
[20:28] claims or anything with our office it
[20:30] just allows them to meet other veterans
[20:32] that they may not have been able to
[20:34] connect with um as well as see what
[20:36] resources are available to them let them
[20:38] Network absolutely thank you thank you
[20:41] good
[20:44] job 6.4 imagine Pender 2050
[20:47] comprehensive land use plan Community
[20:50] engagement
[20:54] events good afternoon uh Mr chair
[20:57] members of the board uh my name is Adam
[20:59] Moran I'm the long range planner for the
[21:01] county and we're very excited to be
[21:04] moving forward uh with the Imagine
[21:07] Pender comprehensive land use plan it's
[21:09] a new comprehensive land use plan for
[21:11] the county which is has a lot of impacts
[21:14] on the county over the next few decades
[21:17] um so it's a we need everyone kind of
[21:20] giving their feedback and that's one of
[21:22] the things I wanted to uh share with you
[21:23] all today um as well as a very brief
[21:27] update we had our second steering
[21:29] committee uh meeting back on July
[21:32] 29th uh working with our Consultants
[21:35] Clarion Associates and um you kind of
[21:38] started talking about the the survey
[21:40] questions online survey that will be
[21:42] coming out which will um tentatively be
[21:46] available on uh September 17th through
[21:50] October 22nd so that's not 100% but that
[21:55] I think that's what we're we're going
[21:56] for and that's the tentative date for
[21:57] the online
[21:59] survey um a couple of documents are
[22:01] being you know kind of solidified by our Consultants a community policy
[22:06] profile uh which kind of just looks at
[22:09] all the different plans and ordinances
[22:11] and everything that kind of guides the
[22:12] county and policies and
[22:14] ordinances as well as a community
[22:16] Factbook which is a lot of you know
[22:18] great background information that will
[22:20] be kind of an appendix to the the
[22:23] finished plan there is I want to tell
[22:26] everyone as well there is a website
[22:28] specifically Al for this please um go
[22:31] check out the new County website in
[22:33] general that we got this summer but also
[22:36] U Pender count nc.gov
[22:38] imagin uh to go find out all the the
[22:40] different updates and and things that
[22:42] are happening uh with the plan as well
[22:45] as uh an email address specifically for
[22:48] the plan it's imagine at Pender count
[22:52] nc.gov so if you have any questions uh
[22:56] please feel free to reach out to me
[22:57] through uh that means uh also very
[23:01] specifically wanted to talk about the
[23:03] community engagement window I already
[23:05] mentioned the the online survey that's
[23:07] supposed to be coming out on September
[23:09] 17th but we have a I don't know we could
[23:12] call it a road show we have a 10
[23:14] different events we're going to be
[23:16] around the county uh you know letting
[23:18] folks know about the comprehensive plan
[23:20] but really seeking that feedback uh from
[23:22] members of the public so we have uh
[23:24] starting uh September 17th and 18th
[23:28] there's two events per day and then
[23:30] after that we're going to calm it down a
[23:32] little bit and do one event uh per day
[23:35] over the course of three weeks uh not
[23:37] every single day U but you see the dates
[23:40] there on the board and I wanted to let
[23:42] everyone know uh here there's these
[23:44] little pieces of paper I'm sorry if it's
[23:46] very small I can print you bigger ones
[23:48] they're out on the table out there
[23:50] please take them or talk to me and I can
[23:52] get you a bigger printed copy um these
[23:55] are uh events that we're going to have
[23:59] where everyone would be able to come to
[24:01] these different locations and learn
[24:03] about the comprehensive plan why it's
[24:05] important and uh also offer your
[24:07] feedback on growth development uh all
[24:10] the different things that that everyone
[24:13] um you know has a lot of things to say
[24:15] about and so these are the great
[24:16] opportunities we have um coming up and
[24:20] be happy to answer any questions but
[24:22] just definitely wanted to share that
[24:23] with
[24:26] youall any questions board members
[24:30] I just appreciate you for to putting
[24:32] these meetings together for the
[24:34] community this is going to outline the
[24:35] growth for the years to come thank you
[24:38] for you and your team for doing that
[24:39] giving everybody the opportunity the
[24:41] citizens you know growth and
[24:43] developments on everybody's mind right
[24:45] now and it's a good thing a good way to
[24:47] get their input and give them some
[24:49] ownership thank you yes sir thank
[24:51] you so this is the first set there'll be
[24:54] another set of community meetings at
[24:55] towards the end correct would I'm sorry
[24:59] there's another set of community
[25:00] meetings that'll happen after the plan's
[25:01] kind of started right yeah after there
[25:04] the consultant has drafted the kind of
[25:06] first draft there will be it should be I
[25:10] think around April of next year there'll
[25:11] be kind of a reveal or you know open
[25:14] house type of uh events where we get
[25:16] public feedback on the the draft copy of
[25:18] the plan yes
[25:21] sir so the The Early times I'm kind of
[25:24] concerned about is that you think you'll
[25:27] have much participation from 2 to 4 in
[25:29] the on Wednesday afternoon uh we are
[25:31] very much going to try to get the word
[25:33] out on that and kind of the reason we
[25:35] had that is our Consultants are in town
[25:38] at that time for for that particular day
[25:40] yes
[25:41] sir I just want I just want everybody to
[25:43] have the opportunity I mean it covers
[25:45] from the coast to the count to the
[25:46] country and U I don't want anybody left
[25:49] out because they can't make it
[25:51] to a 2:00 meeting in Atkinson with
[25:54] majority of people in Atkinson don't
[25:57] work there they work outside of that was
[26:00] my only concern when I seen the schedule
[26:02] that some of the time seemed early for
[26:04] people that at work outside of those
[26:07] areas yes sir other that I'm glad to see
[26:09] it's finally moving that's great thank
[26:12] you thank
[26:15] you any other questions
[26:19] not we thank you we are
[26:23] at public
[26:25] comment how many do we have we have six
[26:29] individuals signed
[26:32] up all right so I'll read the little
[26:35] statement here speakers will be
[26:36] acknowledged by the
[26:38] board tonight be the county manager in
[26:40] the order in which the names appear on
[26:41] the sheet speaker shall address the
[26:44] board from the podium and begin comments
[26:45] by stating name and address speakers
[26:48] shall be courteous and respectful in
[26:49] their remarks and shall refrain from
[26:51] personal attacks the use of profanity
[26:53] and the discussion of personnel or other
[26:55] matters deemed confidential by law
[26:57] speaker ERS are limited to 3
[27:00] minutes and so we're ready to go Harold
[27:05] Fields is there a Harold Fields
[27:08] here there was two gentlemen that signed
[27:11] up early that that left I know I I don't
[27:14] know if they were the first two but I do
[27:15] know two two gentlemen signed up early
[27:17] James
[27:19] Wilson they were here to speak on the
[27:21] waist M waste yes sir
[27:25] treatment okay we'll go to the next
[27:27] person Kim Meer
[27:36] good afternoon Commissioners uh Kim
[27:38] Meyer 102 lesie
[27:41] Lane um I have a a video I guess it's
[27:46] about to
[27:56] go not sure if he's going to show it
[28:02] this is actually Foy Plantation in
[28:04] scottshill
[28:07] um that's now he's on a different
[28:11] one basically um what these videos will
[28:14] show is that um Scotts Hill received a a
[28:18] lot of water as did every Community um
[28:22] I'm sure in Pender County uh the weekend
[28:25] after Debbie passed through um I have
[28:29] some photos from
[28:31] 4205 Scotts Hill Road this is um Herman
[28:35] and Susan um I'm sorry Wolf Gang and her
[28:39] Wolf Gang and Susan Herman's yard they
[28:42] actually are at the 16 foot drop from 17
[28:45] to Scotts Hill Loop Road and they're
[28:48] receiving a lot of the sediment that's
[28:49] coming across from Blake Farms this is
[28:52] actually their backyard and I'll pass
[28:54] these around so y'all can see them
[28:56] they're kind of rolling up on me right
[28:58] now um in addition to the developments
[29:02] that are at um 17 Blake Blakes form we
[29:06] also have uh sweet grass that's coming
[29:09] through and this is a flood map of what
[29:13] um that area where sweet grass is going
[29:15] in looks like and I also have the
[29:19] proposed housing that will be put in 228
[29:22] homes in that area um on this USB I've
[29:26] got a drone video of of that field and
[29:29] of uh Foy Plantation there's also a
[29:33] video of Oakville and a video of um boy
[29:37] Plantation the one that supposed to be
[29:39] showing um I also have more photos this
[29:43] is a damaged drainage system and I do
[29:46] want to thank um Daniel Adams and Beth I
[29:49] don't I didn't meet her so I'm not sure
[29:51] of her last name for coming out to our
[29:53] area and looking at this drainage system
[29:56] where it's completely damaged and
[29:58] blocked off and Foy Plantation is
[30:01] receiving quite a bit of rainwater then
[30:03] from Scottdale and it's causing um
[30:06] flooding in my yard and then in several
[30:09] other properties as well um there's
[30:12] Drone footage as well on that and then
[30:14] we have um actually some of the field
[30:17] and the flooding in the field the
[30:20] concerns here are um damaged drains that
[30:23] have not been fixed and um we understand
[30:26] we have to work through the NC do our
[30:29] concern there is that we've contacted
[30:31] ncdot and we don't get any response so
[30:34] we'd really like to engage with the uh
[30:36] County and make sure that we get a
[30:38] response so that we can address those
[30:40] drains and then the development which um
[30:43] the Drone V footage would show
[30:47] um we they're they're going to have
[30:51] three Retention Ponds but um what we
[30:54] would also like to suggest is that they
[30:56] pump water and have filter system so
[30:58] that they can you know dump off into the
[31:01] futch creek into the inra coastal you
[31:03] know we want to keep our waterways as
[31:05] clean as possible yeah what going to
[31:07] happen this is the
[31:26] footage for
[32:23] thank you thank you ma'am
[32:28] next up we have Ellen
[32:34] ganis
[32:39] welcome good afternoon board members my
[32:41] name is Ellen ganus and I live at 22 Lal
[32:44] Street in Scotts Hill my family's had
[32:47] property in Scotts Hill since the early
[32:49] 70s and I've been a homeowner since
[32:51] 1994 I'm coming to you today like Kim
[32:54] because we are very concerned about the
[32:56] storm water management issues in Oak
[32:58] Veil and the other Scots Hill
[33:00] neighborhoods we've all experienced
[33:02] floodings in recent years we first
[33:04] flooded in hurricane Floyd
[33:07] 1999 where the data suggests there was
[33:09] 18 to 24 Ines Floyd was considered a
[33:12] 100-year flood however since then my
[33:15] garage has flooded five times um we
[33:18] flooded in September 2016 April of
[33:22] 2017 July of 2018 Florence um Florence
[33:26] and September of 2018 we had 24 inches
[33:29] of water in the garage um with hurricane
[33:32] Debbie the backside of it two weeks ago
[33:36] um we ended up with 12 Ines of water in
[33:38] the garage we had water that filled
[33:40] ditches and was rushing down the
[33:42] driveway and over our BMS I'm not sure
[33:45] which retention Pond they came from but
[33:47] I had minnows not tadpoles Minnows
[33:50] swimming in my garage closed garage
[33:53] clearly there's something not not
[33:55] operating correctly with the storm water
[33:57] management system
[33:58] this last rain after Debbie left
[34:01] multiple neighborhoods flooded and
[34:02] residents without access to the
[34:04] driveways they were either cars were
[34:06] stuck in the driveways or stuck on the
[34:08] road um this is inconvenient for them
[34:11] but is also a safety concern as fire and
[34:13] rescue workers would be unable to reach
[34:16] these homes if there were a fire or
[34:17] medical
[34:19] emergency so it's our understanding that
[34:21] you that the natural flow of water from
[34:23] Oakvale is through Foy Fields where
[34:26] Kim's video just showed the Sweet Water
[34:28] development is planned to futch Creek um
[34:32] where will that water go when the
[34:33] topology changes futch Creek um is set
[34:37] up to drain according to the research
[34:39] that I've seen
[34:41] 3,813 acre Watershed with
[34:45] 12.3% of impervious
[34:48] coverage please help us with the issues
[34:51] that Scott Hill residents are dealing
[34:54] with um and thank you for your time and
[34:56] attention to these storm order and
[34:58] future management
[35:01] problems thank you thank you thank you
[35:05] ma'am I cannot read the individual's
[35:08] name but the address is 330 Lafayette
[35:11] Street addressing
[35:15] flooding okay thank
[35:17] you I wasn't planning on speaking but
[35:20] I'm here with my neighbors um I'm from
[35:23] Scott no
[35:25] Oakvale and um I'm new to the county we
[35:29] moved here last year and we are
[35:31] concerned about flooding with Debbie our
[35:35] backyard flooded yes it was only our
[35:37] backyard we didn't have water in our
[35:39] garage but our backyard also backs to
[35:42] the new sweet grass development so I can
[35:45] only imagine what will happen
[35:49] once the topology changes and we have
[35:52] water coming from sweet grass into our
[35:56] backyard it's not just our backyard it's
[36:00] the whole
[36:01] Community um streets were flooded um I
[36:05] think there was a called the saac that
[36:06] was flooded for days after Debbie um
[36:10] let's
[36:11] see we recently also we just dug a hole
[36:15] in our backyard and it's it's clay soil
[36:19] so there was water with 2 and 1/2 ft
[36:23] there was already water there so I don't
[36:26] know what they're going to to do with
[36:28] the development but I think something
[36:30] needs to be done just to drain this
[36:33] water thank you thank you thank
[36:37] you last individual that has signed up
[36:40] is Tommy
[36:45] Batson so we're going to pause the timer
[36:48] just so it doesn't um Tommy's given an
[36:51] update for the county to to the public
[36:54] information good afternoon chairman and
[36:56] Commissioners um three weeks ago today
[36:58] em staff started preparing for what was
[37:00] going to be possible storm in the
[37:03] tropics um on Saturday August 3rd um a
[37:08] tropical storm Debbie is formed on
[37:11] Sunday the 4th Debbie became a hurricane
[37:13] and on Monday Debbie made lamf fall at
[37:16] 5:00 a.m. near big Benin Florida with
[37:18] Winds of 80 M hours of cat one storm on
[37:22] into Tuesday we continue to prepare for
[37:23] the storm and on Wednesday the USC was
[37:25] activated after a state of emergency was
[37:27] signed to 5:00 p.m. the day before two
[37:29] shelters were open at topso and cap for
[37:31] elementary with no one coming in in the
[37:33] 24-hour period they were open during
[37:35] Wednesday evening the county received
[37:37] two tornadoes one in Maple Hill around
[37:39] Highway 50 and 53 and also one on 421 at
[37:43] the Samson County Line no injuries or
[37:45] major damage to any
[37:46] structures and it continued to rain
[37:48] Wednesday into Thursday morning Thursday
[37:51] evening rainfall mountains and Holly
[37:53] Shelter were 3.29 in in areas of Long
[37:56] Creek and Curry Community received 11 in
[37:58] the EOC received 6.58 in of rain and the
[38:01] Hamstead Annex received 6.8 in of rain
[38:04] the weather service has been calling for
[38:06] 10 to 15 they had pushed it to 15 to 20
[38:09] and we were spared with the dry air on
[38:10] the back side of
[38:12] Debbie which in the next coming days as
[38:15] you all know we saw rain um Saturday we
[38:18] knew both the Northeast Kate River and
[38:20] the Black River would go to Major flood
[38:22] stage NC do closed Highway 53 between
[38:25] Maple Hill and bergall around 2: p.m. on
[38:28] Saturday the OC knew this was going to
[38:30] be a potential threat to the county so
[38:32] we went to a minimum activation on
[38:34] Saturday afternoon and through Saturday
[38:35] night Sunday morning the e was in fully
[38:38] operational status at 8:00 a.m. and went
[38:40] to 24 operations until Friday at 5:00
[38:42] p.m. also on Sunday a swift water rescue
[38:45] team from bunkham County Task Force 2
[38:48] arrived here in the county to assist
[38:50] us and um on Monday that team was demoed
[38:54] in task force 9 out of fat will arriv to
[38:57] Back Field that team Tuesday the
[39:00] Northeast Kate fa River crested at NC
[39:02] Highway 53 at 16 feet. 51 ft 16.5 1 ft
[39:07] that's just over major flood stage at 16
[39:09] ft the Black River crested on Wednesday
[39:13] at 11.7 fet around 8:40 a.m. due to the
[39:18] continuous flash flooding we had
[39:19] Wednesday Thursday in Scot hill we went
[39:22] into Scott Hill on Friday morning
[39:24] evaluated some out took pictures and
[39:26] then the continued flash flooding
[39:28] Friday and Saturday and then the Sunday
[39:30] and adkinson Burg on Maple Hill added to
[39:32] the rainfall mounts and after a six- day
[39:34] total rainfall mounts in pend County
[39:36] averaged 9 to 20 in which was back to
[39:39] the original forecast of the National
[39:41] Weather Service just some little food
[39:43] for thought water rescue crews contacted
[39:45] 120 homes in the flooded areas where
[39:48] people were Sheltering place in the
[39:49] flood waters also 10 people were
[39:51] evacuated by Swift water rescue teams to
[39:53] Higher Ground and 18 water rescue calls
[39:57] for people stranded in their vehicles
[39:59] and every one of them was a case where
[40:01] they drove around a
[40:02] barricade what where were where were the
[40:04] 10 residential rescues they was
[40:07] scattered out some on the Black River
[40:09] some on the northeast cap feir River and
[40:11] I do not know the exact location of all
[40:13] 10 so they were trying to drive through
[40:15] that border we had 13 people removed
[40:18] from vehicles that attempted to drive
[40:20] through flooded roads that dot had
[40:22] closed during the six day period the 911
[40:25] Center received 80 calls for weather related events in the emergency
[40:29] management app did 44 push notifications
[40:32] either by our office or by automatic
[40:34] weather
[40:35] notifications just a little rundown
[40:37] supporting agencies the Pender County
[40:39] elected officials each one of y'all had
[40:41] reached out some of you stopped by and
[40:42] that was appreciated all the County
[40:44] Employees the Sheriff's Office the
[40:46] Pender County 911 Center all the local
[40:49] PDS all the fire departments across the
[40:51] county Pender fire and EMS Pender County
[40:53] Schools Steve path and the National
[40:55] Weather Service Team in Wilmington
[40:57] bunkham County Task Force 2 swiftwater
[40:59] rescue team fat task force swiftwater
[41:03] rescue team the North Carolina Forest
[41:04] Service Brunswick County Emergency
[41:06] Management dupan County Emergency
[41:07] Management North Car emergency
[41:09] management Leland fire Stanley County
[41:12] 911 Hamlet search and rescue the
[41:15] American Red Cross North Carolina do the
[41:18] highway patrol and the north Carina
[41:19] Department of Agriculture and many local
[41:22] businesses and that's just a quick
[41:23] rundown on the storm and we closed the
[41:25] state of emergency this afternoon we res
[41:27] sended that order at 4:00 and we're back
[41:29] and no more
[41:31] operations I have a
[41:35] question by what Authority Under what
[41:38] Authority do you put up those signs
[41:42] saying high water don't go through for
[41:46] the 13 individuals that you had to
[41:48] rescue out of their car what was the
[41:52] signage that they went went past they
[41:55] were all road closed signs that is all
[41:57] handled by North Carina do and then they
[41:59] handle it because it's their Road they
[42:01] close them and even though a barricade
[42:03] may be moved out of the way NC do has to
[42:06] go out and do a full Road inspection
[42:09] shoulder inspection if it crosses a
[42:10] bridge they've had to go out and do
[42:12] bridge inspections prior to them having
[42:14] to open it up
[42:15] and but that's a highway patrol manner
[42:18] to enforce yes and is that being
[42:21] enforced Highway Patrol did their best
[42:24] attempts to keep po out there but I
[42:25] don't think they had adequate staff in
[42:27] has maned all the control points
[42:29] 247 would you consider that that signage
[42:32] is related to safety it
[42:37] is I don't know uh Mr County attorney
[42:40] but correct me if I'm wrong violation of
[42:42] a safety statute is negligence per se I
[42:46] would definitely say so yes Comm and
[42:49] today we only had one injury throughout
[42:51] the entire storm and no deaths here in
[42:53] this County did you receive any calls
[42:56] from any of the folks that saw fit to
[42:58] drive past the road closed sides the
[43:01] many of them call 911 for assistance and
[43:03] we for the rescueing teams no no no
[43:04] before they went around the side we did
[43:09] not and if I may expand briefly um the
[43:14] county does not have authority to close
[43:16] the roads it would be either through the
[43:18] sheriff or do in conjunction with the
[43:21] highway patrol on doing that so I mean
[43:24] the the chairman enacted a state of
[43:26] emergency but but the statute was
[43:28] changed the county as the county does
[43:30] not have authority to close roads uh
[43:33] what what my point is while I sympathize
[43:36] with people having to get home having to
[43:39] cook supper having to get home from work
[43:41] having to do you know when we're in a
[43:44] state of
[43:45] emergency um we know in this County
[43:49] pretty much if like at my house I know
[43:53] that there's a place on shalow road
[43:56] that's going to flood I know it so I
[43:58] just have to go another route um but I
[44:03] think that it would behoove people to
[44:05] make accommodations for for these types
[44:09] of things when they know we're going to
[44:11] be in a flooding situation rather than
[44:14] putting their lives at
[44:17] risk and thank you for having the staff
[44:21] to go out and the Personnel to go out
[44:24] and do these rescues we appreciate app
[44:27] it thank you anything else and for
[44:29] keeping us
[44:30] advised thank you Tomy done thank you
[44:39] Tomy we're at consent agenda is there a
[44:42] motion to approve the consent agenda
[44:44] including
[44:49] 8.9 which was the addition for the um
[44:53] reclassification yes sir
[44:58] make motion for approval with addition
[45:00] 8.9 motion is there second second motion
[45:04] a second all in favor raise your right
[45:08] hand 9.1 resolution approving the
[45:11] County's application for grant funding
[45:13] through the wmpo for the design of
[45:14] multi-use path along Country Club Drive
[45:17] Isa Drive Jenkins Road and St John's
[45:20] Church Road in Hamstead Mr
[45:23] Moore good afternoon Mr chair members of
[45:25] the board again
[45:27] um so I have the pleasure to be able to
[45:31] um request a uh consideration of a
[45:36] couple of resolutions that uh the
[45:39] planning department is is asking for
[45:40] we're seeking grant funding from two
[45:43] different grants for the same uh project
[45:46] and that project is a multi-use path uh
[45:50] that would run from the intersection of
[45:53] Country Club Drive and Sloop Point Loop
[45:55] Road uh also intersecting with the
[45:59] existing uh multiuse path between hsed
[46:01] kuas Park and North topsil Elementary it
[46:04] would run all the way up Country Club
[46:07] Drive to um
[46:09] us7 cross over us7 and continue up
[46:14] Jenkins and uh North St John's Church
[46:17] Road to the the combined school campuses
[46:20] there at topsil High School uh also
[46:23] there would be a connector along a Zia
[46:25] drive to the the existing path that that
[46:28] connects in um not quite at the
[46:31] intersection of Country Club Drive there
[46:33] so that is the the uh project that we're
[46:36] seeking to move forward with uh with
[46:38] y'all's blessing and um this it project
[46:43] came from a feasibility study it's the
[46:45] East Coast Greenway the nc210 East Coast
[46:48] Greenway feasibility study which was
[46:49] completed last year and adopted by uh
[46:53] the board earlier this year um we're
[46:57] seeking um adoption or approval of of
[47:00] two resolutions for those two grants and
[47:04] the two grants one is through the
[47:06] Wilmington Metropolitan planning
[47:08] organization uh it's using Federal
[47:10] monies for that it's an 820 match so 80%
[47:15] with those Federal monies 20% uh with a local match now the exciting part is
[47:21] that we're also uh applying for uh a
[47:25] second Grant through the state Parks and
[47:27] Recreation division uh for it's a It's
[47:30] called The Great Trail State program and
[47:33] uh that would potentially you know if we
[47:35] got both those grants that would cover
[47:36] the
[47:37] 20% that would remain from that 80%
[47:40] match um so ask yall support and and see
[47:45] if you had any questions about those
[47:50] resolutions there any questions
[47:52] comments and if we didn't get the um
[47:58] second grant that you were speaking of
[48:00] the 20% matching portion to the county
[48:04] would be
[48:06] $168,000 yes ma'am when would
[48:08] construction of this pathway take place
[48:12] yes ma'am uh so that would be after
[48:15] sorry this is the for the design phase
[48:18] and is projected that the design phase
[48:20] would last two years and so there would
[48:23] uh the county would need to seek more
[48:25] grant funding or or find funding for the
[48:27] construction so at least 2 years from now is uh when construction would
[48:33] start so we don't know how much this is
[48:37] going to cost this is just the design
[48:40] phase uh yes ma'am this is the design
[48:43] phase the projected cost um from the
[48:46] feasibility study as um for these
[48:49] sections is uh $1 million I
[48:53] believe yes
[48:59] and we don't know when construction
[49:00] would be if the construction would be
[49:04] after completion of the
[49:06] bypass uh it would be at least two years
[49:10] out uh the federal money requires that
[49:12] it be completed uh before 10
[49:15] years so there's a little bit of a
[49:17] window there yes
[49:23] ma'am so these paths are crossing all
[49:25] over New County now and a lot of those
[49:28] the do have has come back and help fund
[49:31] or funded part of so hopefully that is
[49:34] the intent here that we'll get some of
[49:36] that the the multi-use path along SL
[49:39] Point Loop
[49:40] from um Country Club to North topsel was
[49:45] a state funded
[49:48] um pathway I think the only thing the
[49:50] county has had to do was take ownership
[49:52] of it as far as maintenance cut cutting
[49:54] the grass
[49:56] yes sir the area they're talking about
[49:58] putting this is a well-traveled area
[50:02] it's very busy with people trying to
[50:03] ride bikes back and forth to the park
[50:06] and walking through the park and and
[50:09] trying to get to the golf courses and it
[50:11] would take some of the traffic off and
[50:13] there's also a planned subdivision of
[50:15] 1100 homes that would that attaches to
[50:18] this walking trail so hopefully you know
[50:21] we can um leverage some of that with the
[50:25] approval of that you know that's
[50:27] where they they get a portion of the of
[50:29] their 300 and some Acres there they can
[50:31] front with some help us pay for part of
[50:34] it and their
[50:36] construction is there any other
[50:38] questions or
[50:40] comments if not is there a
[50:44] motion I I I just want to make a comment
[50:48] um this is this is uh something that we
[50:53] had looked at uh with the bypass uh
[50:56] several years ago when this opportunity
[50:59] came up for funding uh for a sidewalk
[51:03] along that area through that area um I'm just concerned about on its face
[51:11] it's not very transparent or clear to me
[51:14] the total cost of this project and with
[51:17] the other
[51:19] construction projects that we've got
[51:21] going on in this County and the
[51:23] uncertainty of when the bypass is going
[51:26] to be completed I I'm I'm I'm just
[51:30] concerned about it um given that the
[51:33] design phase if if we have a second
[51:36] Grant to cover the
[51:38] 168,000 then it's going to be a
[51:40] considerably lot more money for the
[51:44] actual construction and again it needs
[51:48] to happen I understand that it needs to
[51:50] happen but my concern with this is lack
[51:53] of transparency with regards to full
[51:56] cost of the project and things change
[51:59] with regards State funding um so that's
[52:03] those are my comments that's what
[52:05] happened on the sidewalk I think didn't
[52:06] they change their funding so the the
[52:09] sidewalk the multi- use pass on the
[52:12] sidewalk that that project has been
[52:15] funded from Washington Acres Drive not
[52:17] just the sidewalk part of that but the median project which encompasses a
[52:23] multi-use trail on each side of Highway
[52:25] 17
[52:27] has been funded prioritized as the
[52:29] number one priority and funded with no
[52:31] matching with no matching with no
[52:33] matching right from the do starting in
[52:35] 2031 which is supposed to be immediately
[52:38] after the bypass opens in
[52:41] 2030 um so again would it be prudent for
[52:44] us to wait and hope that do could then
[52:49] also fund this other section that will
[52:52] connect those I don't know that without
[52:55] the uncertainty of the financing and the
[52:57] matching grants and the 11 million price
[53:01] tag that you had just referenced do do
[53:05] you see what I'm saying I do but I don't
[53:06] know that waiting is going to offer that
[53:11] as we've seen with the DHS h building
[53:14] and the the law enforcement center and
[53:16] the school uh bond issue the longer you
[53:20] wait the more it cost so yes we can wait
[53:25] and and
[53:27] two years and it's $44 million instead
[53:30] of 11 I mean that's just the way things
[53:31] have has has progressed here lately and
[53:34] I don't see any relief in in sight for escalating construction costs
[53:42] um that is going to have to be I'm
[53:45] assuming there's going to have to be
[53:46] right aways purchased the property
[53:48] values in that area that this would
[53:50] propose for they're not coming down
[53:54] they're they're constantly inreasing at
[53:56] a rapid rapid pace so I don't see that
[53:59] we would benefit by waiting but that's
[54:01] just I can't make a motion or so that's
[54:04] just my opinion on the project but this
[54:07] tonight is not the $1 million for
[54:10] construction no no this is for the
[54:12] design phase which could at
[54:16] $168,000 I'm sorry sir right that's 20%
[54:20] cost count GRS right if we don't get the
[54:23] second Grant to cover m our 20% on the
[54:27] first grad gotcha okay my concern is how
[54:31] much of a bill we going to be left
[54:35] with I know it's really needed the do
[54:38] would they buy the rway the do would
[54:41] actually buy the rway I I'm not sure of
[54:43] how RightWay acquis acquisition um you
[54:46] know goes down legally or or that sort
[54:48] of thing maybe Mr Thurman chime in on
[54:51] RightWay acquisition I'm not an expert
[54:54] on that I'm sorry we got a lot on the
[54:57] back burer I think all these
[54:59] construction jobs
[55:00] con I w't be here in a few months and
[55:03] neither well I so maybe bring it back no
[55:07] I don't agree with bringing it back I
[55:09] mean the reason Wards and some of the
[55:11] shap is in now because everything got
[55:13] put off to the new board got here and
[55:15] now the new board that's here is having
[55:17] to pick up where the old board left off
[55:19] and I don't think it's fair for a new
[55:21] board to have to come in if this is
[55:23] something that needs to be done now need
[55:24] to be done now doesn't need to be kicked
[55:25] down the road and then later if it needs
[55:27] to be voted down now it needs to be
[55:28] voted down and I agree with you 100% on
[55:31] that um and this is not a heel that I'm
[55:34] ready to down uh because it is something
[55:37] that would be beneficial to the
[55:39] community and helpful uh for uh traffic
[55:43] congestion but again the only thing I'm
[55:46] saying is my concern is the lack of
[55:49] transparency of the total cost of the
[55:52] project so I'm going call the question
[55:54] is there a motion to approve or
[55:59] hearing none this is doesn't good
[56:01] forward thank you sir thank
[56:05] you 9.2 legislative goals and
[56:08] submissions of such goals to the North
[56:10] Carolina Association of County
[56:12] Commissioners for
[56:14] consideration yes sir chairman George
[56:17] the North Carolina Association of County
[56:19] Commissioners contacted us requesting we
[56:21] submit our 2024 2025 legislative goal
[56:25] proposals as part as the criteria for
[56:28] goals there are two pieces of criteria
[56:30] first changes to statutes or requests
[56:32] for funding is one Avenue to go the
[56:35] other Avenue to go is must have an
[56:37] impact on all 100 counties we have
[56:40] compiled five priority goals to submit
[56:44] to the North Carolina Association of
[56:45] County Commissioners they are as follows
[56:48] seek legislation funding and other
[56:50] efforts to expand digital infrastructure
[56:53] Broadband capability to the unserved and
[56:55] under served areas and residents in the
[56:57] state the second goal is seek additional
[57:00] excuse me Mr maner can we wait just a
[57:02] second till these people get out of here
[57:05] it's a little
[57:08] distracting sorry thank
[57:11] you I'll start with first goal
[57:14] again seek legislation funding and other
[57:17] efforts to expand digital infrastructure
[57:20] Broadband capability to the unserved and
[57:22] underserved areas and residents of the
[57:24] state the second goal is seek additional
[57:27] Revenue sources including a Statewide
[57:30] wide Bond referendum and expanded
[57:33] Lottery proceeds and changes to the
[57:35] needs-based public school Capital fund
[57:38] to equitably address Statewide Public
[57:40] School and Community College Capital
[57:42] challenges the third item is support
[57:45] legislation to allow counties to include
[57:48] specific language on the ballot
[57:49] referendum designating how the proposed
[57:52] quar Cent local sales tax levy will be
[57:54] spent the fourth goal is increased State
[57:57] funding and support legislation for
[57:59] Behavioral Health Services and
[58:01] Facilities including dedicated resources
[58:04] for Community param medicine projects
[58:08] inpatient crisis beds substance use
[58:11] disorders specialty courts individuals
[58:13] mental health issues in county jails and
[58:16] single stream funding for area
[58:17] authorities and the last goal that is
[58:20] being proposed is oppos efforts to
[58:22] divert to the state fees or taxes
[58:25] currently all to the counties or to erod
[58:28] existing County revenue streams with
[58:30] unfunded
[58:32] mandates um M Mr chairman I'd like to
[58:36] make a comment um under item two uh the
[58:42] paragraph appears to address uh
[58:46] Statewide Revenue sources including Bond
[58:48] referendums and Lottery proceeds that
[58:52] would benefit um the education system
[58:55] community based colleges and
[58:57] somewhat and under the subsections under
[59:01] that the second one reducing or
[59:04] eliminating local match requirement for
[59:07] tier one and tier 2 counties
[59:11] um I think it would be
[59:14] important for us to address issues
[59:19] pertaining to tier one and how tier one
[59:22] and tier 2 counties are determined
[59:26] because whether you're a tier one or a
[59:29] tier 2 County uh is is uh very much a
[59:33] deciding factor as to what assistance
[59:37] our um citizens are able to get and our
[59:42] local governments are able to acquire I
[59:45] think that tier one tier 2 uh
[59:50] designation uh should be a a standalone
[59:55] issue as it has been since I've been on
[59:57] the board for 2016 for the lobbyist at
[1:00:01] the North Carolina ass County
[1:00:03] Commissioners to continue pushing for a
[1:00:06] more Equitable and fair assessment of
[1:00:09] what constitutes a tier one and tier 2
[1:00:11] County for the purposes of of uh funding
[1:00:15] uh grant funding and things of that
[1:00:16] nature we can certainly break that out
[1:00:19] as a separate goal I agree I think they
[1:00:21] that committee started back this was
[1:00:23] approved to start back reviewing that
[1:00:26] and I think it's very important that we
[1:00:28] join our our fellow counties in
[1:00:30] emphasizing that as a
[1:00:37] concern does the board have any
[1:00:39] additional feedback on these
[1:00:42] priorities I think otherwise they look
[1:00:44] good sounds good to
[1:00:47] me well we can plan on submitting these
[1:00:49] priorities and have the item reducing or
[1:00:52] eliminating local mat requirements tier
[1:00:54] one broken out as a separate go thank
[1:00:58] you
[1:00:59] sir and there the deadline is what
[1:01:01] Friday yes
[1:01:05] sir is there a motion to approve with
[1:01:07] the requested
[1:01:09] change motion to approve is there a
[1:01:11] second second I want fa raise your right
[1:01:15] hand thank
[1:01:19] you approval of resolution providing the
[1:01:22] final approval of terms and documents
[1:01:23] for the
[1:01:24] DHS DHHS facility financing Miss
[1:01:31] blue good evening chair and Board of
[1:01:34] Commissioners uh I'm Meg blue pen County
[1:01:37] finance director for those of you who
[1:01:39] don't know um this is a follow-up item
[1:01:41] from the public hearing and the initial
[1:01:43] approval that we had at the last meeting
[1:01:46] uh this is just the final approval of
[1:01:48] the form of the documents and that are
[1:01:51] to be signed as part of this transaction
[1:01:54] um once approved approved by all the
[1:01:57] various agencies as
[1:02:01] necessary for the Department of Health
[1:02:03] and Human Services
[1:02:07] facility is there any
[1:02:09] questions I'm assuming that's why Mr
[1:02:11] Jess has joined us again tonight yes he
[1:02:13] wants to make sure we get it done so
[1:02:15] I'll make a motion to
[1:02:17] approve he's fidgeting is there a
[1:02:20] second in favor raise your right
[1:02:23] hand thank you he also had to get a lot
[1:02:25] of John Hancock's before this meeting
[1:02:27] for the law enforcement center so we're
[1:02:30] moving right along with all the things
[1:02:33] and approval of a budget and contract
[1:02:34] amendment to purchase order increase for
[1:02:36] Bob for the construction of the DHS HS
[1:02:40] facility project yes so um initially we
[1:02:44] approved this is a this was done as a
[1:02:46] design build project um initially bobit
[1:02:49] was awarded the design build contract
[1:02:51] only the design portion has been
[1:02:55] contracted thus far um at this point
[1:02:58] we'll increase it to include the um GMP
[1:03:03] and increase the purchase order and make
[1:03:06] the necessary budget transfers which is
[1:03:08] what the attached documentation
[1:03:11] does is there any questions for Miss
[1:03:13] blue I have a question M blue sure
[1:03:17] um page two there the U site development
[1:03:22] construction
[1:03:24] notes so this is the new health
[1:03:26] department building yes for the county
[1:03:28] of tender and the citizens um it's
[1:03:31] health and DSs and DSs for so it's and
[1:03:34] that I'm good with that and it's much
[1:03:37] needed I just got a question if it it
[1:03:39] may be
[1:03:40] me permits and application fees
[1:03:45] $234,000 and then permit review comments
[1:03:49] $250,000 that's $480
[1:03:53] some, that the citizens are going to pay
[1:03:55] to the citizens um I can't speak
[1:03:58] specifically to which permits they are
[1:04:00] but I think a lot of them are paid to
[1:04:02] correct me if I'm wrong DEQ and those
[1:04:05] kinds of permits as well as the town of
[1:04:08] bergo okay we
[1:04:11] wouldn't it wouldn't be them paying
[1:04:13] Pender County for that purpose so that
[1:04:16] none of that will go to the county
[1:04:19] because that'd be like pay in yourself
[1:04:21] right no no okay so you you're helping
[1:04:24] me I mean that's sorry I see that I'm
[1:04:26] like permit yeah and I don't want to
[1:04:28] speak out of turn but I do believe that
[1:04:30] sorry um Andy spe with bobit is in the
[1:04:32] back and he's giving between burall and
[1:04:34] the state it's going to be
[1:04:36] $480,000 in permits in fee okay just wanted to get it out there all
[1:04:43] right
[1:04:44] sure and it'll be the same when we build
[1:04:46] a law enforcement center because it's
[1:04:48] also in the town of burgo yes
[1:04:52] okay any other questions or comments if
[1:04:55] not is there a motion to approve motion
[1:04:57] to approve is there a second second
[1:05:00] those in favor Raise Your Right
[1:05:06] handos discussion there's no items on
[1:05:08] the discussion 11.1 thank you Miss BL
[1:05:12] thank you
[1:05:13] m reappoints to noer Memorial Hospital
[1:05:16] thank you Mr
[1:05:18] Jess sir trip back thank you for taking
[1:05:22] care of us
[1:05:27] all right for item
[1:05:29] 11.1 Denise hton and Myra McDuffy are
[1:05:33] both currently serving on the noon pener
[1:05:35] Memorial Hospital board uh the
[1:05:38] chairwoman of that board reached out to
[1:05:40] me asking that we bring the uh
[1:05:43] appointments to the board before October
[1:05:46] um
[1:05:47] October's uh when their next meeting
[1:05:49] would be a reset for them uh Miss Denise
[1:05:52] hton is currently serving as District
[1:05:53] 1's representative she's applied for
[1:05:56] reappointment and is recommended by the
[1:05:58] chair of the hospital board to uh be
[1:06:01] reappointed she has a long-standing
[1:06:03] history in the health field she's
[1:06:04] experienced working in the regional
[1:06:06] health education consult for NC
[1:06:08] Department of Health and Human Services
[1:06:10] the health promotions director for new
[1:06:11] County's Health Department and the
[1:06:12] executive director of the American
[1:06:14] Cancer
[1:06:15] Society uh Miss Myra McDuffy is also
[1:06:18] currently serving as the District 5
[1:06:21] member uh she's applied fore appointment
[1:06:23] and is also recommended by their chair
[1:06:26] uh she is the respiratory therapist at
[1:06:28] downstate Medical Center she's been the
[1:06:30] assistant director of the business sorry
[1:06:33] excuse me um previously she was the
[1:06:36] respiratory therapist at downstate
[1:06:38] Medical Center the assistant director of
[1:06:40] respiratory at Vanderbilt Skilled
[1:06:41] Nursing Facility and she's now the owner
[1:06:43] of our local business
[1:06:45] mimos um Chicken and Rib she served on
[1:06:48] numerous boards as well such as the
[1:06:50] burga tourism Development Authority and
[1:06:52] the burga Chamber of Commerce um for
[1:06:54] both of these applicants their terms
[1:06:56] would uh begin January 1st 2025 and
[1:07:00] expire December 31st
[1:07:03] 2028 I uh currently serve on this board
[1:07:07] um and uh miss hton and miss McDuffy
[1:07:10] both have been a asset uh and and in
[1:07:14] fact our Pender Count's
[1:07:17] designes uh and I would recommend them
[1:07:20] uh for
[1:07:21] reappointment uh
[1:07:24] unequivocally um and I have a question
[1:07:26] for our
[1:07:28] manager
[1:07:30] did the chair of this board indicate to
[1:07:35] you that they had um Novant designes
[1:07:41] that they wish to run by uh this board
[1:07:46] for reappointment as well I did receive
[1:07:49] an email regarding these two two
[1:07:51] applicants just these two yes okay now
[1:07:55] these of the Pender designes did was
[1:07:57] there any discussion about the novon
[1:07:59] designes members of the board I did not
[1:08:02] have any okay I I'll follow up with that
[1:08:05] but I I would recommend these two ladies
[1:08:06] be reappointed
[1:08:09] wholeheartedly a second a favor raise
[1:08:11] your right
[1:08:12] hand thank you board
[1:08:15] members there is nothing for the water
[1:08:19] districts but I know moris moris Creek
[1:08:21] had water and sewer supposed to have
[1:08:24] something there yes sir I will
[1:08:26] appreciate if uh we can open the mors
[1:08:28] creek water and SE District we are now
[1:08:31] open as mors Creek Water and SE District
[1:08:34] so my name is Anthony colon I'm the
[1:08:36] executive director of uh Pender County
[1:08:38] Utilities as you all know we're working
[1:08:41] on a um cdbg which is a Community
[1:08:46] Development block grant uh for the
[1:08:48] installation of water lines in the 421
[1:08:51] corridors around the Columbia Union
[1:08:54] district um so my deputy director Mr
[1:08:57] James bror and myself will be holding a
[1:08:59] public meeting at the Pender Le School
[1:09:01] auditorium to assist the citizens of
[1:09:04] Columbia Union around the Highway 421
[1:09:06] Corridor uh to fill out an income survey
[1:09:09] form which is a requirement uh for the
[1:09:12] Community Development blood Grant uh
[1:09:14] this is the application that is due on
[1:09:16] September the 30th so we're moving
[1:09:18] forward quite fast uh part of the
[1:09:21] requirement was the public hearings
[1:09:22] which we already uh perform now we're
[1:09:25] doing
[1:09:25] uh the um income survey and uh on our
[1:09:29] next board meeting I will have some
[1:09:30] forms for the chairman of the board to
[1:09:32] sign uh and we'll have all this put
[1:09:35] together on a package we'll send it out
[1:09:38] and uh we'll at that moment we'll wait
[1:09:40] to see uh what the state will uh allow
[1:09:44] us to to receive the cap is $3 million
[1:09:47] and we're looking forward to get that
[1:09:49] money um so this meeting uh will be held
[1:09:53] uh this upcoming Monday
[1:09:56] we will be at the Pender Lee is that the
[1:09:58] 26th that is Monday the 26th yes ma'am
[1:10:01] August Monday the 26th uh Mr James bror
[1:10:04] and myself we're going to be at the
[1:10:05] Pender Pender Le School uh Auditorium
[1:10:09] from 12:00 pm till 7 pm. and that's for
[1:10:12] all the citizens in that area uh Miss
[1:10:15] Highfield you can go ahead and tell
[1:10:16] everybody I will get with me uh Samantha
[1:10:18] Jones as well uh I will also have I have
[1:10:22] a list of everybody's telephone numbers
[1:10:24] so we will be be sending uh telephone
[1:10:26] calls uh on Wednesday Friday and once
[1:10:29] again on Monday morning we're trying to
[1:10:31] get as many uh as possible uh right now
[1:10:34] I got about a list of uh 68 people that
[1:10:37] is willing and is ready for it uh but
[1:10:40] then I would like to if there's anyone
[1:10:42] else uh they want to come in and also uh
[1:10:45] fill out we will also will receive any
[1:10:48] new uh applications as well um so that's
[1:10:51] all I have for now on that and I look
[1:10:53] forward to see everyone oh there so this
[1:10:56] is part of the process yes ma'am this is
[1:10:59] a necessary part of the process this is
[1:11:00] a requirement yes this is a requirement
[1:11:03] for funding that we get these this
[1:11:06] survey information so these folks we all
[1:11:10] need to come in and and give survey
[1:11:13] information how long will it take and
[1:11:16] how long could they expect to be there
[1:11:19] when they show up at any time between
[1:11:21] 12:00 noon and 700 p.m. next Monday we probably can get uh between 15 20
[1:11:27] minutes uh filling out this form uh it's a one single form and pretty much
[1:11:32] it's asking for name address contact
[1:11:35] information and income and income that's
[1:11:38] it is that the extent of the financial
[1:11:41] information that they will be required
[1:11:44] yes ma'am okay yes ma all right and so
[1:11:46] also I understand that you have a rooc
[1:11:50] call system set up yes ma'am tell us
[1:11:52] about that so so in the last couple uh
[1:11:56] public hearings we've been collecting uh
[1:11:58] signatures with email address and
[1:12:01] telephone numbers and we're adding that
[1:12:03] to our NEX and Funko uh system uh and I
[1:12:06] will have uh my utilities analyst to set
[1:12:08] up that to go out into effect Wednesday
[1:12:12] Friday and then once again on Monday
[1:12:15] morning and and these Robo calls will be
[1:12:18] made specifically to the
[1:12:22] citizens in our my neighborhood correct
[1:12:25] uh that is impacted by this 421 Water
[1:12:29] Project your name your your name and
[1:12:30] number is included as well I hope so
[1:12:35] yes that was all Mr chairman thank you
[1:12:39] sir he was really detailed that day at
[1:12:41] the community meeting with them letting
[1:12:43] them know that
[1:12:45] yeah we are out of that district there
[1:12:48] is no
[1:12:50] other Mortal
[1:12:53] Health social Serv
[1:12:58] items from the county attorney uh
[1:13:02] chairman
[1:13:03] first personal matter I'd like to thank
[1:13:06] uh Kelly sers uh
[1:13:09] the North Carolina Department of
[1:13:11] Transportation Incident Management uh
[1:13:14] who parked behind me and made it safer
[1:13:17] for me as well as all the people getting
[1:13:19] off 40 and uh to to go to Rocky Point uh
[1:13:24] when uh
[1:13:25] I will no longer try to replace my own
[1:13:27] tires I'll go to somebody with an
[1:13:29] earring because my tire completely came
[1:13:31] off and um so anyway there was uh that
[1:13:36] was a little exciting uh this afternoon
[1:13:39] that I didn't e but anyway Mr glad you
[1:13:41] work first I'm the Lord take care of
[1:13:44] Fools and he I don't think you're a fool
[1:13:47] but I'm very glad he took care of you it
[1:13:49] was again because I was right at I was
[1:13:53] not going fast otherwise it would have
[1:13:56] been bad cuz I mean the tire completely
[1:13:58] came off people they did they're good at
[1:13:59] their job IM no no it was it was good
[1:14:03] and um also uh Miss brain came and
[1:14:05] picked me up so I could I get here uh
[1:14:07] but we would um uh for close session if
[1:14:10] the board is uh would consider going
[1:14:13] into item three attorney client and uh
[1:14:17] item four Economic
[1:14:19] Development all
[1:14:23] right Mr chairman
[1:14:26] if you will entertain a motion to go we
[1:14:29] got to do the rest of the around around
[1:14:31] the block
[1:14:33] conversations County
[1:14:35] Manager County Manager assistant County
[1:14:37] Manager uh yes sir Mr chairman and
[1:14:39] fellow Commissioners um I do have a
[1:14:41] couple of new employees that started
[1:14:43] today for our new uh for our Pender
[1:14:45] County team I'd like to introduce you to
[1:14:47] I'd like to begin with Mr Wyatt
[1:14:49] Richardson if I could ask him to come to
[1:14:50] the podium please sir uh just to tell
[1:14:53] you a little bit about him he is our new
[1:14:55] director of facilities and Fleet
[1:14:57] Services he has a bachelor's degree in
[1:15:00] Parks and Recreation management and
[1:15:02] Associates in Automotive Systems
[1:15:04] Technology he has 18 years of experience
[1:15:07] in local government related to
[1:15:09] facilities and ground maintenance Fleet
[1:15:12] Management and Parks and Recreation as
[1:15:14] well um he comes to us most recently
[1:15:17] from the town of uh Leland and he was
[1:15:21] there for about six years and um also
[1:15:24] he's worked with the city of Durham and
[1:15:26] Sarasota County Florida so we're really
[1:15:29] happy to have him on board with us and
[1:15:31] uh expect great things from you sir no pressure appreciate that just kidding
[1:15:37] we are glad to have you and I'm glad to
[1:15:39] be here uh I wanted to thank you all for
[1:15:41] uh letting me join the team um excited
[1:15:43] to add value to the organization and
[1:15:45] ready to get work on uh both our Fleet
[1:15:48] department and uh some of our County
[1:15:50] facilities as we have some aged and some
[1:15:52] new ones coming online as well so
[1:15:54] excited to be a part of that so thank
[1:15:56] you welcome now I'd like to ask Mr Dario
[1:16:02] Ramirez if he'll come forward he is our
[1:16:05] new uh County manager's office project
[1:16:08] manager uh so we have plenty for him to
[1:16:11] help us with with the capital projects
[1:16:13] that are underway he has 20 years of
[1:16:16] military service where he has served in
[1:16:18] multiple project management capacities
[1:16:21] he has a bachelor's from American
[1:16:22] Military University and he's currently
[1:16:25] completing his project management
[1:16:27] professional certification and he's also
[1:16:29] fluent in Spanish so we're uh really
[1:16:33] grateful to have you on board with us as
[1:16:34] well sir yeah absolutely I appreciate
[1:16:37] the opportunity I appreciate the uh
[1:16:39] serve the citizens of pener County first
[1:16:41] and foremost uh moved here in 2019 on
[1:16:44] Military orders and I definitely plan to
[1:16:46] stay here for a long time great thank
[1:16:49] you very much thank you glad to have you
[1:16:51] appreciate it
[1:16:52] man' and that's all Mr chairman thank
[1:16:55] you
[1:16:56] sir new commission Vice chair Newton I
[1:17:00] have
[1:17:01] nothing Mr I just like to thank all the
[1:17:04] County employees and Tommy and
[1:17:06] everything they did for us during that
[1:17:08] storm recently and yall did an
[1:17:11] outstanding job I appreciate
[1:17:14] you Mr commissioner
[1:17:17] grov uh yeah a couple of small things um
[1:17:20] out of the uh R meeting um they're going
[1:17:25] to do extensive work on
[1:17:28] 117 from Porter's Lane to um Walker
[1:17:32] Street and that's pretty exciting to get
[1:17:35] that project started and um a couple of
[1:17:39] little things here from a citizen they
[1:17:42] feel like the
[1:17:43] $40 um
[1:17:46] dumping um sticker is way too high and I
[1:17:50] also feel like 40 is kind of high I'd
[1:17:53] like to see that took down to 20 if they
[1:17:56] need an extra sticker uh if we could
[1:17:59] look at that anyway and um I had several
[1:18:03] opportunities to stop by the EOC I want
[1:18:06] to thank Tommy for his hard work that he
[1:18:09] did during the storm it it was stressful
[1:18:13] for a lot of people and um and to add to
[1:18:17] that it Zing um emergency vehicles I
[1:18:22] feel like if we're in a state of
[1:18:26] emergency we should
[1:18:28] limit River
[1:18:31] activity because these boats are causing
[1:18:34] more harm than the regular
[1:18:37] storm they're tearing up the
[1:18:39] banks and of course y'all know I live on
[1:18:42] the river and I had a chance to look at
[1:18:45] some of it today as the water was low
[1:18:48] enough to look and um I I feel like Mr
[1:18:53] manager you
[1:18:55] kind of open that door and see if we
[1:18:57] could do something to recreational
[1:19:01] vehicles during state of emergency
[1:19:05] during a
[1:19:06] flood
[1:19:10] um and that's about all I have yes
[1:19:14] sir Mr Burton uh yeah real quick just a
[1:19:18] couple of things um I just want to
[1:19:19] reiterate and thank the citizens that
[1:19:22] have contacted and called me that live
[1:19:24] in the low l areas especially around
[1:19:26] Scotts Hill around my neighborhood um my
[1:19:29] wife and I have been there for 25 years
[1:19:31] my wife since 1979 so we're very aware
[1:19:34] of of those areas and my heart goes out
[1:19:37] to uh to those citizens and hopefully as
[1:19:39] we work forward uh the developers will
[1:19:43] come under new storm water regulations
[1:19:46] that will hopefully help mitigate some
[1:19:48] of that moving forward uh and I'm glad
[1:19:50] the new plan is is coming out with a lot
[1:19:52] of public input um um secondly uh I had
[1:19:57] a chance to uh be welcomed to the
[1:19:58] tourism board last week for their
[1:20:00] meeting my first time there and uh great team great group of folks had some
[1:20:05] good discussions uh we're happy to get
[1:20:08] the additional 3% what occupancy tax and
[1:20:11] that's coming and uh look forward to uh
[1:20:14] to helping on behalf of the board and
[1:20:16] the citizens to uh to forward that and
[1:20:20] uh thank you mayor that's it thank you
[1:20:23] sir so I just have a few things uh I do
[1:20:27] want to thank um emergency management
[1:20:29] office and and the staff all the staff
[1:20:31] that was there not just Emergency
[1:20:32] Management there was the times I went in
[1:20:35] there was everybody from Fire EMS
[1:20:38] Sheriff Department Fire Marshal's Office
[1:20:40] Department of Social Services Wes was in
[1:20:43] there on Sunday afternoon hanging out
[1:20:45] when he didn't need have to be his shift
[1:20:47] had even started yet so it takes a lot
[1:20:49] of different people and a lot of
[1:20:50] different skills to toand that Center
[1:20:52] and I appreciate every one of you um you
[1:20:55] all made a difference in
[1:20:57] somebody's part during this this event
[1:21:00] luckily for us you know it was it wasn't
[1:21:02] as bad as they predicted thank God and
[1:21:04] um let's hope that we're done for the
[1:21:06] year so we close that out um out on the
[1:21:09] table also out where the public signment
[1:21:12] comment signups are there is a uh paper
[1:21:15] with a QR code for the transportation
[1:21:18] plan where they're seeking input for
[1:21:20] your want your input
[1:21:22] on how to route the trans transportation
[1:21:25] system in Pender County um a lot of
[1:21:27] these projects are scored by public
[1:21:29] input and we don't always score very
[1:21:33] well because our our residents don't don't like to get on there and and
[1:21:37] voice their opinions or concerns but
[1:21:39] those do make a difference for the whole
[1:21:41] County of Pender for the wmpo we have
[1:21:44] two only had two projects approved last
[1:21:46] year and the new H County had the
[1:21:49] remaining 19 or 20 so it's important for
[1:21:52] us to to you know have have a say um in
[1:21:57] our own transportation
[1:21:59] system also out there are the little
[1:22:01] Flyers that um Adam Mr Mor discussed the
[1:22:05] with it's also got a QR code to the
[1:22:08] comprehensive um plan meetings I hope
[1:22:12] there's big turnout for that it's a it's
[1:22:14] a constant thing I hear every day about
[1:22:17] how outdated our our comprehensive land
[1:22:20] use plan and our ordinances are um and
[1:22:23] this is a chance for the community the
[1:22:24] citizens that that that feel that pain
[1:22:26] to have have some say so I encourage
[1:22:29] everybody that has opportunity to attend
[1:22:31] one of those meetings to attend I am
[1:22:33] concerned about like I said earlier
[1:22:35] about the early meetings I want
[1:22:36] everybody to have the same opportunity
[1:22:38] so maybe we can work something out with
[1:22:40] the consultant that we can move those to
[1:22:42] a time that's more convenient to people
[1:22:45] um and there may no you know we've done
[1:22:47] this several times we make these
[1:22:49] opportunities available and nobody shows
[1:22:52] up but at least we've made the opportun
[1:22:55] available um I'm going to harp on
[1:22:58] something that I've harped on several
[1:22:59] time and that's and and it was pretty
[1:23:03] obvious in parts of Eastern Pender
[1:23:04] County um this time where the where a
[1:23:08] lot of the flooding was at is our
[1:23:11] um there's our will to let the developer
[1:23:14] come in and clearcut everything even the
[1:23:16] dog finnels out off the field and not
[1:23:18] leave a tree um there's places on 17
[1:23:21] that had never flooded and now that
[1:23:23] they've um clear cut right there by
[1:23:26] Blakes Farm on 17 there's High still
[1:23:28] high water sign there there's no water
[1:23:30] there but it's never flooded before but
[1:23:33] we let them come in they take all the
[1:23:34] trees off and then maybe four or five
[1:23:36] years later they'll come in and put
[1:23:38] their storm water system in so where
[1:23:40] does that water go in the meantime it
[1:23:43] goes in the road it goes in the people's
[1:23:45] yards um I rode down through Scott Hill
[1:23:49] I rode through those neighborhoods I
[1:23:51] seen what was coming off of of where
[1:23:53] that development behind popular Grove is
[1:23:55] clearcut everything there those 300 year
[1:23:58] oak trees that used to be there that
[1:23:59] soaked up a th000 gallons an hour are no
[1:24:02] longer there all that water is one of
[1:24:03] these people's garages ride down through
[1:24:06] Washington
[1:24:07] Acres um where that 60 Acres plus was
[1:24:10] clearcut for to plant 30 apartment
[1:24:14] buildings where does all that water
[1:24:16] going that storm water system has not up
[1:24:18] and functional um but they're allowed to
[1:24:21] continue you know building and then put
[1:24:23] that in later so I I really like for us
[1:24:26] to see us go back and revisit our tree
[1:24:28] Ordinance do away with the with the
[1:24:31] addition to the ordinance where we
[1:24:33] allowed them to clear before permits
[1:24:36] were
[1:24:37] obtained and maybe that will at least
[1:24:39] slow it down for a little while and i'
[1:24:40] I've encouraged that a couple of times
[1:24:41] now I'll encourage it again and once I
[1:24:44] not chair again I'll make that motion to
[1:24:46] have that done um we got it done for the
[1:24:48] campers and and we're our accessory
[1:24:50] buildings and we're looking to get it
[1:24:51] done for campers at least we can do is
[1:24:53] get it done for the
[1:24:55] absolutely um other than that I have no
[1:24:58] nothing else I have a getting that done
[1:25:01] have a motion to go into close session I
[1:25:03] have a motion to go into close session
[1:25:04] for item number three attorney client
[1:25:07] privilege and item four uh economic
[1:25:12] development is there a second second all those a favor raise your
[1:25:16] right
[1:25:18] hand we are now in close session we'll
[1:25:20] be back at 7:00 before being what
[1:25:53] for
[1:26:23] e e
[3:03:10] so this is welcome y'all to
[3:03:13] the public hearing and special use
[3:03:15] permits and zoning map amendments and
[3:03:17] resolutions part of the meeting I'll go
[3:03:19] ahead and read the public comment um
[3:03:23] narrative while we're waiting for Mr
[3:03:26] McCoy when if you signed up to speak
[3:03:28] speakers will be acknowledged by the
[3:03:31] county manager in the order in which
[3:03:32] names appear on the sheet or maybe
[3:03:34] County attorney who's got the sheet now
[3:03:36] sorry County attorney speaker shall
[3:03:38] address the board from the podium and
[3:03:40] begin comments by stating name and
[3:03:41] address speakers shall be courteous and
[3:03:44] respectful in their remarks and shall
[3:03:46] refrain from personal attacks
[3:03:48] the use of profanity and discussion of
[3:03:50] personnel or other matters deemed
[3:03:52] confidential by
[3:03:55] law and he's still not
[3:04:07] here well we'll go ahead and start how
[3:04:11] is that okay is that all right with
[3:04:13] y'all Mr McCoy will come in you'll just
[3:04:16] excuse Mr McCoy when he comes in and let
[3:04:18] him sit down that' be appreciated
[3:04:21] 21.1 resoning 24 or 202 2466 rest
[3:04:26] request to
[3:04:28] modify how are you
[3:04:31] sir good evening Mr chairman members of
[3:04:33] the
[3:04:38] board excuse
[3:04:41] me tonight I'm presenting sorry can you
[3:04:43] hear me okay I can I everybody okay
[3:04:46] great case reone
[3:04:50] 20246 kg Plaza LLC the applicant owner
[3:04:53] is requesting to modify an existing
[3:04:56] conditional zoning District to allow for
[3:04:57] the residents of the sanctuary at Forest
[3:04:59] sound to store recreational vehicles uh
[3:05:02] within a private facility in the
[3:05:04] development the private private storage
[3:05:06] facility will be approximately 4.51
[3:05:09] Acres with 106 storage units the
[3:05:11] existing conditional District was
[3:05:13] approved in 2015 and allowed for the
[3:05:15] development of 106 single family homes uh we have a vicinity map here the
[3:05:21] uh red highlighted and hatched area is
[3:05:23] the subject property it's right off of
[3:05:25] US Highway 17 uh right next to the
[3:05:27] intersection of 17 and4 sound Road um
[3:05:31] very close proximity to the Hamstead
[3:05:34] andx we can see from the aerial map uh
[3:05:37] the outlined subject property uh it's a
[3:05:39] heavily vegetated
[3:05:41] area um mostly trees there along the
[3:05:45] roads and uh right behind it to the West
[3:05:48] is uh the sanctuary at Forest Sound
[3:05:52] Community it is zoned RM cd1 it's a
[3:05:56] residential mixed conditional zoning
[3:05:57] District uh it's surrounded by
[3:05:59] residential performance and general
[3:06:03] business this is the applicant's
[3:06:05] original site plan consisting of 154
[3:06:08] storage units um after feedback from the
[3:06:12] public input meeting in the community
[3:06:13] they have uh decided to reduce the
[3:06:16] number of stor units to 106 uh to be
[3:06:19] consistent with the number of homes here
[3:06:22] is what it looks like now um a lot more
[3:06:24] open space toward the back less units
[3:06:26] and an overall reduction of about 31% in
[3:06:29] total
[3:06:32] footprint uh here we have traffic counts
[3:06:34] provided by the wmpo and
[3:06:37] ncdot uh we see that US Highway 17 is
[3:06:39] over capacity which we all probably knew
[3:06:43] uh but this is a reserved use for the
[3:06:45] residents of sanctuary Forest sound
[3:06:47] therefore the uh in there's not an
[3:06:50] anticipated increase in traffic as
[3:06:51] they're already going to be traveling
[3:06:53] that
[3:06:56] road there are no residential uses being
[3:06:59] proposed for this uh conditional zoning
[3:07:00] district and Commercial uses would be n
[3:07:03] code
[3:07:05] 53113 and then miss the miscellaneous
[3:07:07] use storage of boats and watercraft
[3:07:09] Outdoors on or on dry stack structures
[3:07:13] uh we have our set setback table um
[3:07:16] it'll be 30 foot setback act all around
[3:07:18] with a maximum height of 40 ft for
[3:07:21] structures we have our landscaping and
[3:07:23] buffer table um there will be an A4
[3:07:26] buffer along the road on for sound uh
[3:07:29] and the rest will be buffered by
[3:07:30] existing
[3:07:33] vegetation the A4 buffer consists of a
[3:07:36] 30 foot wide strip with one canopy tree
[3:07:38] two understory trees and a grass or
[3:07:41] other vegetative ground
[3:07:44] cover Excuse me yes ma'am for
[3:07:48] yes ma'am when you say the subject
[3:07:51] property um on one of your slides back
[3:07:54] there and I have it in front of
[3:07:56] me one
[3:07:59] more is that where they're proposing the
[3:08:02] storage yes ma'am it'll the storage
[3:08:05] facility will be approximately where
[3:08:07] this line is but I have a in this slide
[3:08:09] is that the 120
[3:08:12] AC how large is that this is I believe
[3:08:15] it's say I believe this is 60 Acres 60
[3:08:19] and A2 um behind it to West here kind of
[3:08:24] Southwest that's the rest of sanctuary
[3:08:26] Force sound where the 106 homes
[3:08:28] are
[3:08:31] okay but this this is where they're
[3:08:34] under the street canopy is where they're
[3:08:37] proposing the storage unit yes ma'am
[3:08:44] okay here is the proposed entrance and
[3:08:48] proposed storage area where they'll be
[3:08:50] located on the
[3:08:53] parcel um the future land use map CL
[3:08:56] classifies this as low density
[3:08:58] residential
[3:09:01] and staff is recommending approval for
[3:09:03] this project um amending the conditional
[3:09:06] zoning District would be consistent with
[3:09:07] the intent of the initial development by
[3:09:09] providing an amenity to existing
[3:09:11] residential
[3:09:13] development proposal is supported by one
[3:09:15] policy and one recommended action the
[3:09:17] future land use plan policy 5.1. F
[3:09:21] conditional zoning and recommended
[3:09:23] action 5.1. K1 discourage the
[3:09:27] construction of storage facilities along
[3:09:28] the road Frontage and um I can go into
[3:09:31] further detail on those policies if the
[3:09:33] board would
[3:09:37] like um staff is recommending the
[3:09:39] following conditions approval to
[3:09:41] consider and approving the conditional
[3:09:42] Zoning for the site um this is between
[3:09:46] staff and the plan board or the rather
[3:09:48] the planning board recommended some of
[3:09:50] these appr or conditions of approval uh
[3:09:53] first the project shall comply with all
[3:09:54] requirements of the Pender County
[3:09:55] unified development ordinance the
[3:09:58] applicant shall meet all other state
[3:09:59] local uh and federal regulations the
[3:10:02] storage facility shall remain private
[3:10:04] and only for the use of the residents of
[3:10:06] the sanctuary at Forest sound
[3:10:08] development for the developer shall be
[3:10:11] fully responsible Financial or otherwise
[3:10:13] for the repair of any damage or
[3:10:15] maintenance issues on the forest sound
[3:10:17] Road until the boat storage facility has
[3:10:19] received a certificate of occupancy once
[3:10:22] the certificate of occupancy has been
[3:10:24] issued maintenance cost for Forest sound
[3:10:26] Road shall revert to the original
[3:10:27] maintenance
[3:10:29] agreement five the site of the storage
[3:10:32] facility will be of a perious surface
[3:10:35] there will be no dry stack structures
[3:10:38] and the apron and entrance of the
[3:10:40] storage facility will be pervious
[3:10:42] concrete at a minimum of 161 ft
[3:10:46] length I that will last from again uh
[3:10:48] the apron and entrance of the storage
[3:10:50] facility will be a perious concrete in a
[3:10:53] minimum of 161 foot
[3:10:59] length the planning board unanimously
[3:11:02] approved uh a recommended approval for
[3:11:04] this uh when it went before
[3:11:07] them and is there any questions yes
[3:11:10] ma'am can I direct you back to where the
[3:11:13] conditions um one of the conditions says
[3:11:16] that it remains private was there any
[3:11:19] distinction made between Property Owners
[3:11:22] or residents how was that
[3:11:29] characterized I believe it's homeowners
[3:11:32] I'm not sure if I understand the
[3:11:33] question okay so all I'm saying is
[3:11:37] someone could own houses rent houses and
[3:11:40] then you got more than what was
[3:11:43] anticipated that you got the homeowner I
[3:11:46] mean you got got the property owner ma'
[3:11:48] and then you've got the how private are
[3:11:51] we making
[3:11:53] this I believe it's all residents I'm
[3:11:56] not sure if that distinction was made
[3:11:58] okay thanks yes
[3:12:07] ma'am yes ma'am um commissioner Newton
[3:12:10] the uh store condition three says the
[3:12:12] storage facility shall remain private
[3:12:14] and only for the use of residents of the
[3:12:15] sanctuary at Forest sound
[3:12:24] um are there any questions from other
[3:12:27] members of the
[3:12:28] board or anything I could explain
[3:12:32] further so do you know why they're not
[3:12:35] opting to go with the the lead Drive can
[3:12:38] you speak to why the lead Drive yes sir
[3:12:40] it's my understanding that there's
[3:12:41] Wetlands near lead drive and developing
[3:12:43] that uh is not recommended
[3:12:47] and that there is uh an agreement for
[3:12:49] the applicant to be able to use Force
[3:12:51] sound Road um I believe that applicants
[3:12:53] can speak more to this but I believe the
[3:12:55] agreement uh is from decades ago where
[3:12:59] they have access to that
[3:13:00] road how many access they have access to
[3:13:03] the neighborhood that's one access how
[3:13:05] many access did it
[3:13:07] specify how many accesses they could
[3:13:09] have to that road um what is the purpose
[3:13:11] of the access is it just for just for
[3:13:13] the storage yes sir
[3:13:17] so
[3:13:19] when the access
[3:13:21] point the uh the driveway the apron area
[3:13:25] was was ample research done and that
[3:13:28] because you storage unit is going to be
[3:13:30] boats stuff like that it's going to be
[3:13:32] big boats yes sir there there's plenty
[3:13:34] of room to navigate your way in that
[3:13:36] entrance that's yes sir the applicant
[3:13:37] can speak a little bit more to this but
[3:13:39] I believe at the planning board they um
[3:13:41] went over how they tested it and that
[3:13:42] there was they found that there was
[3:13:44] enough room okay yes sir
[3:13:49] is there any other questions for staff
[3:13:50] before we
[3:13:51] get Mr Rose you good I'm good yes sir
[3:13:56] thank you I believe uh the applicant has
[3:13:57] a presentation
[3:14:12] prepared good evening Mr chairman and
[3:14:14] members of the board my name is Matt
[3:14:16] Nicholls I'm an attorney in Wilmington
[3:14:19] and I represent the applicant owner in
[3:14:21] this request uh we appreciate the
[3:14:23] opportunity to uh make a brief
[3:14:25] presentation and have a series of slides
[3:14:27] which I hope will help explain the
[3:14:29] request and answer uh questions that the
[3:14:32] board may have uh with me here this
[3:14:34] evening are Brad Schuler who is a land
[3:14:37] planner with Paramount engineering as
[3:14:39] well as Jeremy Blair he is a civil
[3:14:40] engineer with Paramount engineering and
[3:14:43] then my client Representatives uh Robert
[3:14:45] Jackson and Dean Dean hard AR are also
[3:14:47] here um I'll start out by saying what
[3:14:52] this is the project is not just to
[3:14:54] clarify uh this is not open to the
[3:14:57] public it is not a commercial uh boat or
[3:15:01] recreational vehicle storage there'll be
[3:15:03] no renting or selling of slips or
[3:15:07] spaces um there's no change in the
[3:15:10] residential
[3:15:11] density um there's no dry stack storage
[3:15:14] of boats or other RV type Vehicles
[3:15:19] there's no many storage units there's
[3:15:21] really no structures involved except my
[3:15:25] understanding is there's proposed a gate
[3:15:27] to gate the the uh entryway uh and but
[3:15:32] other than that this is not a a like a a
[3:15:35] many storage facility in any way um I
[3:15:38] know that the board is uh very familiar
[3:15:40] with the area and uh but this will
[3:15:43] provide some context we circled the
[3:15:44] Pender County Annex Building there in
[3:15:46] blue
[3:15:48] and I won't go through the the details
[3:15:51] of the 2015 approval but in
[3:15:55] 2015 um the board of County
[3:15:57] Commissioners unanimously approved the
[3:15:59] 106 unit single family subdivision the
[3:16:03] entire property um commissioner Newton
[3:16:04] to your question the entire property was
[3:16:07] the 120 acres and then the part the part
[3:16:09] that we're talking about is rough
[3:16:11] roughly half that about 60.5 Acres um
[3:16:15] where the Wetland or
[3:16:17] yes ma'am correct yes
[3:16:20] ma'am and you can see there that the
[3:16:22] proposed RV boat storage area shown
[3:16:26] dotted and blue there and there are from
[3:16:28] what I understand some significant
[3:16:30] wetlands in the around the area and
[3:16:34] that's what's limiting the access or
[3:16:37] would you would want the access on
[3:16:39] Forest sound road but I I'm certainly
[3:16:41] can defer to the engineers on on
[3:16:43] specific questions about the
[3:16:45] wetlands um so here is the area of the
[3:16:48] proposed modification to the existing
[3:16:50] conditional
[3:16:51] zoning and just to provide again just
[3:16:54] some context here um there's the Pender
[3:16:56] County Annex Building uh it's as
[3:16:59] everyone knows it's quite commercial
[3:17:01] there on on Highway
[3:17:02] 17 the there's the entrance to Forest
[3:17:04] sound Road and then you can see the star
[3:17:09] represents the approximate location of
[3:17:11] the proposed RV and Boat Storage and
[3:17:13] then you can see the approximate
[3:17:15] location of the proposed entrance
[3:17:17] so it's fairly close to 17 and um while
[3:17:22] it is putting um you would say there's
[3:17:25] sort of boat travel trailering traffic
[3:17:28] on that area um it's not really taking
[3:17:31] that through the the significant or the vast the the majority of the
[3:17:36] neighborhood streets that are to the
[3:17:38] east of there um you can see the
[3:17:41] approved residential lots at the top of
[3:17:43] the screen and then just in the um the
[3:17:47] bottom of the screen you can see the
[3:17:48] commercial and Civic uses so it it
[3:17:50] really is um sort of within that sort of
[3:17:53] buffer area between the commercial and
[3:17:55] then the residential and um it um it
[3:17:59] will be sort of out of sight for the
[3:18:02] most part so you won't be having like
[3:18:05] storage on the say on 17 I know there's
[3:18:08] some things in your land use plan that
[3:18:09] sort of discourage that type of use but
[3:18:11] um for the most part um it will largely
[3:18:14] be you won't really see it uh Mr
[3:18:17] attorney Nicholls one of the questions
[3:18:19] what I was trying to get to a while ago
[3:18:22] was on the 60 Acres that includes the
[3:18:25] wetlands it seems to be heavily wooded
[3:18:29] how much of that 60 Acres is going to
[3:18:32] need to be cut and what improvements
[3:18:36] will be made for drainage once those
[3:18:39] trees are cut on that 60 Acres around
[3:18:43] the wetlands area that's my concern yes
[3:18:45] ma'am so the area
[3:18:47] that we're talking about is roughly 4
[3:18:49] and A2 Acres of that 60 and A2
[3:18:53] Acres I want to make sure I'm answering
[3:18:55] the question accurately as to the
[3:18:57] drainage and the impacts with that so if
[3:18:59] I may defer to Jeremy Blair the engineer
[3:19:02] on that question I don't mean to
[3:19:03] interrupt your presentation if you need
[3:19:05] to address it later on feel free if
[3:19:08] that's okay with the board sure
[3:19:09] absolutely thank you thank you um the
[3:19:12] original site plan as mentioned had
[3:19:15] significantly more
[3:19:17] of spaces on there I think it was
[3:19:20] 156 if I'm not mistaken but as a result
[3:19:23] of the community meeting that proposed
[3:19:26] site plan was reduced to the 106 so it
[3:19:30] matches exactly the number of permitted
[3:19:33] residential lots and as I said before it will just be
[3:19:38] one space for residential lot and it's
[3:19:41] purely a amenity for the neighborhood it
[3:19:44] this is not it can't be rented it can't
[3:19:47] be sort of sub leased out to a friend or
[3:19:50] something like that that that's that's a
[3:19:52] proposed condition for the board's
[3:19:54] consideration so here's a slide showing
[3:19:56] the overall reduction in the footprint
[3:19:58] from the original plan to the revised
[3:20:00] plan uh and again that was just to
[3:20:04] minimi try to minimize the impact and
[3:20:06] downsize the The Proposal based on the
[3:20:08] community meeting and and frankly really
[3:20:12] didn't need that many
[3:20:13] spaces for the most part probably not
[3:20:17] everybody in the neighborhood's going to
[3:20:18] have a boat or an
[3:20:19] RV uh so the idea of all the spaces at
[3:20:23] 106 being used is probably not likely
[3:20:27] although certainly wanted to have the
[3:20:29] ability for each lock to have a place to
[3:20:32] put their boat or their RV but for the
[3:20:33] most part it's probably not likely that
[3:20:35] it would be maxed out with 106 boats or
[3:20:40] RVs the Gated access as I mentioned is
[3:20:43] set off of for sound row by
[3:20:47] 161 feet and that was to allow the
[3:20:51] vehicles to sort of come in and it would
[3:20:54] prevent sort of stacking onto Forest
[3:20:56] sound Road there's ample space
[3:21:00] there
[3:21:01] and uh see Mr Cherry mentioned the the
[3:21:05] land use plan I won't get into this in
[3:21:07] detail I know they the staff did a very
[3:21:08] good job going through that in the staff
[3:21:11] packet um again this is consistent with
[3:21:15] the residential nature of the approved
[3:21:18] subdivision and it's again an amenity
[3:21:20] for the residential
[3:21:22] subdivision um I'm glad to go through
[3:21:24] any of the policies or goals in the land
[3:21:27] use plan if the board would would like
[3:21:29] me to do that but again staff did a a
[3:21:31] very good job of that in the staff
[3:21:34] report um I would point out that this is
[3:21:36] really a very minimal traffic impact
[3:21:38] this is from the TRC notes but it's hard
[3:21:43] to it's hard to really uh analyze what
[3:21:45] the impact would be but uh the AM and PM
[3:21:49] peak hour trips would be very minimal
[3:21:51] this is not typically something that you
[3:21:54] probably the higher use would be on the
[3:21:55] weekends so it's not probably going to
[3:21:58] coincide with what you would think of as
[3:22:00] a weekday PM or am peak hour
[3:22:04] trip and then in the staff report it
[3:22:07] mentions here that the the the Trips
[3:22:10] Again are going to be really really
[3:22:12] pretty minimal when you're when I know
[3:22:14] this board's used to looking at these
[3:22:15] traffic tables and things and there's
[3:22:18] significant numbers on there but with
[3:22:19] two and three peak hour trips is really
[3:22:22] pretty
[3:22:22] minimal why does it say many
[3:22:26] Warehouse I I don't know I think that
[3:22:28] was that was going to be my question how
[3:22:30] many were of those spaces were under
[3:22:32] roof none no sir none none the the the
[3:22:37] boat and RV spaces there there'll be no
[3:22:40] uh sort of roofing structures or
[3:22:41] anything like that commissioner n if I
[3:22:44] may answer that question the wmpo uses
[3:22:47] uh essentially a large book that
[3:22:49] categorizes uses and then uh determines
[3:22:52] a specific number of trips based on that
[3:22:54] use and there's a note I believe on the
[3:22:56] previous slide Mr Nichols uh it says
[3:22:59] basically there's no comparable use to
[3:23:01] what is being proposed so they chose
[3:23:03] what they thought was most closely
[3:23:06] aligned it's one of those uh technical
[3:23:09] terms of art that I don't ever right so
[3:23:12] um also that impervious surface what
[3:23:15] will that be I know you have to have
[3:23:17] something fairly solid to be pulling
[3:23:19] boats in and out so and RVs so what will
[3:23:23] that impervious surface SP I think the I
[3:23:26] think the majority of it is perious yeah
[3:23:28] all yeah Jeremy if you don't mind this
[3:23:31] is uh Jeremy Blair with Paramount
[3:23:34] engineering I'm sorry I misunderstood
[3:23:36] that when I was hearing the conditions
[3:23:39] all uh J Jeremy Blair civil engineer
[3:23:42] with Paramount engineering so the the 61 ft stem apron is going to be a
[3:23:50] pervious concrete which you know allows
[3:23:52] for the the water to all soak through
[3:23:54] and infiltrate and then the remainder is
[3:23:56] a will be a a you know a structural
[3:23:59] stone with a a geogrid which the EQ
[3:24:03] recognizes as as perious as well okay
[3:24:06] very good so while you're up there can
[3:24:09] you answer my question about the clear
[3:24:11] cutting of the trees yeah
[3:24:15] so Mr said it's you know 4 and A2 Acres
[3:24:18] out of 60 um and with it all being
[3:24:22] perious all of the drainage is um
[3:24:25] proposed to to soak into the ground not
[3:24:28] run off so it'll be I'm G hold you to it
[3:24:30] very similar to the to the current state
[3:24:33] uh is certainly the uh
[3:24:36] intent thank
[3:24:38] you I think just a few more slides if I
[3:24:41] may Mr chairman and then we'll U again
[3:24:44] glad to answer any questions the
[3:24:45] proposed conditions I know the staff
[3:24:48] went through those um I'll just
[3:24:50] highlight a few um we have to comply
[3:24:53] with all the requirements in the
[3:24:54] ordinance we have to meet all the local
[3:24:57] state and federal
[3:24:58] regulations um I mentioned the part
[3:25:01] about it has it's purely private and for
[3:25:04] the sanctuary for sound development
[3:25:06] only um this part I I wanted to mention
[3:25:09] um my client will be fully responsible
[3:25:12] financially uh for the repair or damage
[3:25:15] to any of the if anything happens to
[3:25:18] Forest sound Road during the
[3:25:19] construction of it he'll um repair that
[3:25:22] at his cost um there is a road
[3:25:25] maintenance agreement that's in place so
[3:25:27] my client's already responsible for 50%
[3:25:29] of of the cost of Maintenance of the
[3:25:34] road Jeremy talked about the per the
[3:25:37] pervious surface uh no dry stack
[3:25:41] structures and then this was the wording
[3:25:43] of the seventh condition in the staff
[3:25:45] report
[3:25:47] and the the one item we would ask the
[3:25:49] board to consider
[3:25:51] is after the planning board hearing we
[3:25:54] discussed the possibility that the ncdeq
[3:26:00] might have some different requirements
[3:26:03] for the length of that or what surface
[3:26:05] it would be so what we'd ask the board
[3:26:07] to consider would be um adding that it
[3:26:11] would be subject to modification of the
[3:26:12] requirements of the permitting agencies
[3:26:15] and condition number two and that would
[3:26:17] really be only if when it gets to the
[3:26:20] permitting at the state level if the
[3:26:21] state for some reason doesn't want to
[3:26:24] have 161 ft of perious concrete but want
[3:26:27] say a lesser amount and some other
[3:26:29] material there just so we're not out of
[3:26:31] compliance with state
[3:26:33] requirements um so we appreciate your
[3:26:35] consideration of that change we just
[3:26:38] don't know till we get to that part at
[3:26:40] the state
[3:26:41] level um planning board unanimously
[3:26:43] recommended approval the planning staff
[3:26:47] um I think did a great job with the
[3:26:49] report and we're glad to answer any
[3:26:50] questions that um that the board may
[3:26:52] have and we appreciate appreciate your
[3:26:56] time so what made the Lee Island connect
[3:26:59] in 2015 when it was initially approved
[3:27:02] it it stated that if there was any
[3:27:03] modifications to this conditional zoning
[3:27:06] adding structures or any other that that
[3:27:09] would be reevaluated was it adequately
[3:27:12] evaluated why the the First Street
[3:27:14] connection off a lead Drive which would
[3:27:16] make more sense for safety wise why was
[3:27:20] that adequately evaluated and if so
[3:27:23] what's the findings uh I'm going to
[3:27:26] defer back to Jeremy or the land Planner
[3:27:29] on that if they or my client Robert
[3:27:36] Jackson can we get to the SL yeah to the
[3:27:39] global slide
[3:27:47] the area keep going designing there we
[3:27:51] go right here right here okay is there a
[3:27:56] pointer okay got I'm Robert Jackson uh
[3:27:59] 640 Maritime way topso Beach the
[3:28:01] applicant um at Sanctuary at Forest
[3:28:04] sound and uh yes answer your question um
[3:28:09] we've got actually that's not this real
[3:28:11] slide there's Wetland let me get back to
[3:28:14] this is Upland the the white area
[3:28:18] anything in Gray I think that's a gray
[3:28:20] hash mark is wetlands and so we've
[3:28:24] already we at the limit for a general
[3:28:28] permit for the US Army Corps of
[3:28:29] Engineers with our project that was
[3:28:32] entailed from the beginning we're at a
[3:28:33] half acre of wetland impacts so the core
[3:28:37] will not issue a wetland fill permit if
[3:28:40] you've already exceeded or at or not
[3:28:43] exceeded if you at the fill permit or if
[3:28:46] you have an Upland access so if you have
[3:28:49] a way to get to your property Upland
[3:28:52] versus filling the Wetland they say well
[3:28:54] nice trial you need to go to the Upland
[3:28:55] side and uh Mr Hall Alec Hall who
[3:28:59] developed the original Forest sound
[3:29:01] negotiated with Mr Howard the seller at
[3:29:05] that time for all this property or the
[3:29:06] owner of all this property that there
[3:29:09] could be Ingress and egress for the
[3:29:11] remaining Parcels that Mr Hall did not
[3:29:13] buy onto Forest sound road which
[3:29:15] includes the subject property that we're
[3:29:17] discussing here tonight so um and so
[3:29:21] there is no way to get to this Upland
[3:29:23] site without coming through uh Forest
[3:29:26] sound Road legally or to be able to
[3:29:29] permit it yeah so yes sir we did and a
[3:29:33] couple people at the community mentioned
[3:29:35] well hey if you could get access this
[3:29:37] isn't a an improved road but there is a
[3:29:39] RightWay here if you could get access to
[3:29:42] this right away could you put boat
[3:29:45] storage in here Behind these homes on I
[3:29:48] think this is Lee Drive but uh behind
[3:29:50] the homes on lead drive and there isn't
[3:29:52] enough width one there's no legal
[3:29:55] RightWay built but there's not enough
[3:29:57] width or turnaround or I mean it would
[3:30:00] maybe you could get 10 boats in there or
[3:30:02] something I mean it'd be very limited
[3:30:04] for 106 lot neighborhood as you can see
[3:30:06] the width of of this Upland area so we
[3:30:10] did we did Analyze That to answer your
[3:30:12] question but it just wasn't feasible for
[3:30:14] this size project and I will say when we
[3:30:16] did uh Mr bieberstein who's probably
[3:30:19] know past but he represented us when we
[3:30:22] um did this uh project initially and at
[3:30:25] that time we didn't know the amenity I
[3:30:28] mean we didn't we were in the infant uh
[3:30:31] planning stages of the project so we
[3:30:32] didn't know if we were going to have a
[3:30:33] pool a boat storage a playground or what
[3:30:36] have you so he included and it's on page
[3:30:39] 305 of the Udo because it was a
[3:30:41] conditional use zoning case so it
[3:30:44] included the proposed uses is within RM
[3:30:46] cd1 residential mix this is under
[3:30:49] rezoning proposal gry bll Inc that's us um the proposed uses are
[3:30:55] residential mixed conditional zoning
[3:30:57] District R telecommunications Tower
[3:30:59] single family dwelling uh conventional
[3:31:02] detached homes in other typical
[3:31:05] neighborhood amenities which again we
[3:31:08] we're here to say that we think in
[3:31:10] pendra County a boat storage is a
[3:31:12] typical neighborhood amenity um you know
[3:31:14] if you have the land the accessibility
[3:31:16] to have one it keeps people off the
[3:31:18] highways you're in proximity of your
[3:31:20] boat you can it's probably more secure
[3:31:22] that way and you can get your family in
[3:31:24] and out more quickly when the few times
[3:31:26] you get to use
[3:31:28] it so and I did have just for reference
[3:31:32] legally um Mr bieberstein the seller's
[3:31:36] attorney which was um U Mr uh Nunley I
[3:31:40] believe and the hoa's attorney at the
[3:31:43] time who I I don't know that remember
[3:31:45] his name
[3:31:46] reviewed the deed legal access from our
[3:31:49] property to Forest sound Road prior to
[3:31:52] even submitting and designing the site
[3:31:55] and the title insurance company and all
[3:31:56] three attorneys agreed that we had
[3:31:59] unlimited access from Mr Howard's
[3:32:01] original parcel which is now our parcel
[3:32:04] to Forest sound Road in addition to that
[3:32:06] in our community meeting we did ENT Enga
[3:32:09] voluntarily in the in the community
[3:32:11] meeting engage into a road maintenance
[3:32:14] agreement with for sound Road
[3:32:16] 50/50 from our entrance to the
[3:32:19] neighborhood that we built here the
[3:32:21] entrance here it's approximately I think
[3:32:24] it's approximately a mile don't hold me
[3:32:26] to that to 17 we share in 50% of that
[3:32:30] maintenance in addition to that um as
[3:32:33] part of our agreement our private HOA
[3:32:35] agreement or whatnot um we agreed to
[3:32:38] repave that and we did do that it was
[3:32:41] $92,000 to repave that section from our
[3:32:44] entrance to 17 and also um the the HOA
[3:32:48] negotiated a gated entrance I'm going to
[3:32:51] say 30 or 40 feet to the east of our
[3:32:55] entrance for
[3:32:57] security um and we had agreed to pay
[3:32:59] that I think it was $441,000
[3:33:01] approximately um today they still
[3:33:03] haven't gated it but they did put up two
[3:33:05] brick columns so I think we in my view
[3:33:09] we um we're a neighborly developer for
[3:33:13] lack of a better way of describing it
[3:33:16] are there any other
[3:33:18] questions so as you know in the forest
[3:33:22] sound road is going to become a Right
[3:33:23] only turn in the next five or six
[3:33:28] years I still think it would be better
[3:33:30] to go down Dan 's drive across safety
[3:33:35] wise and up Le drive and is going to be
[3:33:36] trying to get in and out of far sound
[3:33:38] Road Far sound road is a nightmare now
[3:33:40] yeah no and pulling a boat out there I
[3:33:42] could only imagine what it's like the
[3:33:43] majority of the people that live in that
[3:33:45] far you know have their own public or
[3:33:47] private boat ramp yes sir um now we did
[3:33:50] build I don't know if this I guess this
[3:33:52] is this is um Second Street that um that
[3:33:57] comes between Second Street starts on
[3:34:00] lead drive and comes all the way to four
[3:34:01] sound that's not an exact depiction of
[3:34:03] it but it's close enough um this is
[3:34:06] better um Second Street comes into here
[3:34:09] and goes and cuts to for sound this is
[3:34:11] our entrance this is a public DOT road
[3:34:14] we were mandated by the County to make
[3:34:16] that part of the I think it was The
[3:34:17] Collector Street program or what's not
[3:34:20] to make this a public DOT road and of
[3:34:23] course and do will maintain it when we
[3:34:25] um dedicate it to them so any Resident
[3:34:29] which I would prefer also should in my
[3:34:32] view with a boat and trailer should take
[3:34:34] a right out of the facility come down
[3:34:36] Second Street and head over to the light
[3:34:39] and there's plenty a turning radius in
[3:34:41] our new driveway entrance to take a
[3:34:43] right or left understand it would be
[3:34:44] shorter for them to
[3:34:46] distance-wise to go up to 17 but if were
[3:34:50] my if it were my family I'd say no let's
[3:34:51] just go the long way and go to the
[3:34:53] traffic signal but again that is going
[3:34:55] to be up to the that's going to be the
[3:34:57] prerogative of the
[3:34:58] driver but um this this road is
[3:35:01] installed and meets dot guidelines we
[3:35:02] have a basic letter on it and it is set
[3:35:05] up for dedication
[3:35:16] any questions for the
[3:35:20] applic thank
[3:35:22] you Mr th is there public yes sir um Mr
[3:35:27] Nichols I do Mr Blair or Mr Jackson have
[3:35:30] anything else they want to say no sir
[3:35:32] but only if the board ask questions
[3:35:34] thank you thank you sir uh Brook Connor
[3:35:45] hello my name is Brock Connor I live at
[3:35:47] 105 Hilltop Lane in Hamstead and um I'm
[3:35:50] a resident of the forest can you speak
[3:35:52] up or speak into the microphone I'm
[3:35:54] having problems here is that better is
[3:35:57] that better yes okay um do you want me
[3:36:00] to repeat my address or my name I don't
[3:36:02] need it okay um I am a resident of the
[3:36:04] forest Sound Community um I'm also part
[3:36:07] of the um HOA board and uh I'm here
[3:36:10] tonight just to speak on behalf of our
[3:36:13] community and the concerns that we have
[3:36:15] uh over
[3:36:16] um kg Plaza using our road for a sound
[3:36:20] road for the access to their
[3:36:21] amenity um I think one of the the
[3:36:24] biggest concerns that um we haven't been
[3:36:26] able to understand is why the um
[3:36:29] revaluation for Access off of lead Drive
[3:36:32] Extension as you were mentioning um had
[3:36:34] not been evaluated um I did talk to um
[3:36:37] Mr Jackson when we had the public
[3:36:39] meeting and asked him specifically if he
[3:36:42] had looked into any other options and he
[3:36:44] told me that he had not
[3:36:46] and I asked him if he'd be willing to do
[3:36:47] so and he said he would consider it so I
[3:36:50] don't know what else what other
[3:36:52] evaluation has transpired since I had
[3:36:54] that conversation with him but my
[3:36:56] understanding was that basically he said
[3:36:57] it's wetlands and there's nothing we can
[3:36:59] do
[3:37:00] to you know look for access from another
[3:37:03] Direction and Forest sound road is our
[3:37:05] only option so this means that there's
[3:37:08] going to be a Boatyard in our community
[3:37:11] an entrance in our community for another
[3:37:14] community which is highly
[3:37:16] irregular I'm sure that some of you live
[3:37:19] in a community maybe you know it's gated
[3:37:22] maybe it's not and I don't know that you
[3:37:25] would ever think that you could be
[3:37:26] driving down a road in your own
[3:37:28] community and see another community's
[3:37:31] Boatyard and the one of the other
[3:37:33] concerns excuse me that we have is that
[3:37:37] you know it's unsightly a Boatyard is
[3:37:40] unsightly a Boatyard has you know large
[3:37:43] trucks and trailers coming in and out of
[3:37:46] it that's going to be you know further
[3:37:48] damage to the road further traffic up at
[3:37:50] the um at the the entrance to Forest
[3:37:55] sound um up at Highway 17 I mean it's
[3:37:58] already very difficult getting in and
[3:37:59] out of there during the busy times and
[3:38:01] now we're going to have you know boats
[3:38:02] and trailers going in and out I just
[3:38:05] feel like there hasn't been an
[3:38:07] adequate uh time spent to evaluate
[3:38:09] another option or Mr Jackson possibly
[3:38:12] should have planned his community in
[3:38:14] another way if he knew knew he wasn't
[3:38:16] going to have the ability to build an
[3:38:18] amenity and have access to that amenity
[3:38:20] inside his own Community you know when
[3:38:23] he
[3:38:24] originally you know was laying out the
[3:38:26] neighborhood I don't understand why that
[3:38:28] should now be a consequence of the
[3:38:29] residents of fora sound um so there are
[3:38:34] many many concerns that the neighborhood
[3:38:36] has these are a few um one of the other
[3:38:39] things is
[3:38:41] that they say it's only for residents
[3:38:44] and they say it's it's not going to be
[3:38:46] rented but how can you control
[3:38:50] that I'm sorry is that are you speaking
[3:38:53] on behalf of the HOA
[3:38:55] yes she gets five minutes get two extra
[3:38:59] minutes sorry okay sorry I didn't is
[3:39:01] that my warning okay I'm sorry I've
[3:39:03] never spoken at one of these
[3:39:07] before um I'm sorry where was
[3:39:12] I um
[3:39:16] I'm sorry I lost my train of
[3:39:20] thought one of the other concerns oh I'm
[3:39:22] sorry yes the um they say that it's only
[3:39:26] for residents and that cannot be rented
[3:39:29] which how are you going to control that
[3:39:32] this is an entrance to to a Boatyard
[3:39:34] inside of our community for another
[3:39:36] neighborhood and there is no way that
[3:39:38] you can control whether or not they're
[3:39:40] going to rent that out to people who
[3:39:42] aren't in that Community once that HOA
[3:39:44] is handed over to the residents who's
[3:39:46] going to enforce that and that's going
[3:39:48] to open our community up to potentially
[3:39:51] you know new people coming in safety
[3:39:54] concerns for people who are you know
[3:39:56] coming into our neighborhood who have
[3:39:57] never been in there before I mean having
[3:39:59] a boat storage yard already in and of
[3:40:01] itself is going to attract a possible
[3:40:04] theft and other things like that and
[3:40:06] it's just not it's just not right that
[3:40:08] this would be that that our local
[3:40:12] government would allow somebody to put
[3:40:14] this type of of amenity into our
[3:40:17] neighborhood I know it's their land but
[3:40:18] the entrance all the activity everything
[3:40:20] going on in there is happening from our
[3:40:24] neighborhood the last thing that I want
[3:40:26] to mention is that if this is actually
[3:40:29] approved um I would I would think that
[3:40:32] there should be of Greater consideration
[3:40:34] for the buffer I think it's a 30 foot
[3:40:36] buffer is what it states um we have I
[3:40:39] think a 20 foot buffer today for the
[3:40:41] community that they built there's no
[3:40:43] buffer you see everything house you see
[3:40:46] what everybody's doing in their backyard
[3:40:48] um it's just a thin lining of trees and
[3:40:52] to have only 10et more of a buffer
[3:40:55] you're going to be able to see
[3:40:56] everything sitting in that
[3:40:58] Boatyard so if it comes down to the fact
[3:41:01] that this board is going to approve then
[3:41:04] at least give consideration for a larger
[3:41:06] buffer thank you thank you thank you
[3:41:09] Jesse Conor
[3:41:18] how you doing uh Jesse Connor 105
[3:41:20] Hilltop Lane Hamstead North Carolina
[3:41:23] 28443 um I think my wife did a pretty
[3:41:26] good job speaking there but um just
[3:41:28] wanted to reiterate the biggest thing is
[3:41:30] the Lee Drive Extension my wife chased
[3:41:34] down the Builder several times um asking
[3:41:38] him about whether he had looked into the
[3:41:41] lead Drive extension and is he always
[3:41:43] had the same answer of um I haven't
[3:41:45] really actually looked into it never did
[3:41:47] the research so if he did do this
[3:41:50] research my question to you guys is did
[3:41:52] he actually submit it to
[3:41:55] you um because I've yet to see anything
[3:41:59] on on this lead Drive extension so if
[3:42:02] he's got the uh if he's done the
[3:42:03] investigation now why doesn't he release
[3:42:05] that information to you
[3:42:07] guys um the other thing I want to talk
[3:42:09] about is his friendly building that he's
[3:42:12] been doing um he's flooded out our
[3:42:14] community Community uh during Florence
[3:42:18] our Causeway flowed over the road we
[3:42:22] just had her or this tropical storm that
[3:42:25] came through Debbie is that what it was
[3:42:26] this tropical storm um that came through
[3:42:30] it flooded our Causeway that had never
[3:42:32] happened before except Florence and then
[3:42:35] now our Causeway is flooding why is that
[3:42:37] happening it's happening because of his
[3:42:39] Sanctuary that he built uh and it's
[3:42:41] dumping all the water down through there
[3:42:43] what's going to happen when we go and
[3:42:46] take out another five acres of property
[3:42:49] which you know we all know trees drink
[3:42:50] what how much uh how much water a pine
[3:42:53] tree I think can drink 300 gallons of
[3:42:55] water in a day or something like that
[3:42:57] like so he's taken out another 5 Acres
[3:42:59] of property um and dumping more water
[3:43:02] down to us he can talk about you know um
[3:43:05] impervious all he wants or
[3:43:07] perious um lastly this is another thing
[3:43:11] that I'm worried about with
[3:43:13] him he doesn't probably want to use this
[3:43:16] lead Drive Extension because he's got 60
[3:43:19] acres of land there he only wants to
[3:43:21] build five acres or he want only wants
[3:43:23] to do a five acre lot what's he going to
[3:43:25] do with the rest of that is he going to
[3:43:26] get this project done and then turn
[3:43:28] around and come back to you guys and do
[3:43:30] try to do something on lead Drive
[3:43:32] Extension where he can put in some more
[3:43:35] housing or some sort of other amenities
[3:43:38] or sell it off to somebody uh some
[3:43:41] commercial real estate place or whatever
[3:43:44] and then it gets built up
[3:43:45] on then so you know it's just it's the
[3:43:49] same old same old the same old um bait
[3:43:52] and switch these guys do they start they
[3:43:54] start one project and they know what
[3:43:56] they're going to do further down the
[3:43:58] road and then they get that one done and
[3:44:01] it's just like what he's doing with our
[3:44:03] uh the access we had an agreement with
[3:44:06] him for one access he's got that access
[3:44:09] now he wants more I just wish you guys
[3:44:12] would look into this and please do the
[3:44:14] right thing thank
[3:44:17] you thank you those are all the sign
[3:44:24] Mr can I ask a question of uh attorney
[3:44:27] Nicholls yes sir Mr
[3:44:33] Nicholls I you may not be the
[3:44:35] appropriate one to ask this question but
[3:44:37] there was a comment made
[3:44:40] about wanting additional access on the
[3:44:43] forest sound Road when in fact when the
[3:44:46] sanctuary project was
[3:44:49] initially um proposed and originated
[3:44:53] there was only one access now there's
[3:44:55] two is that appro is that correct I I
[3:45:01] don't know that that that's correct I I guess I guess my question should
[3:45:08] be this boat storage
[3:45:12] facility in in approved
[3:45:15] Ming uh this
[3:45:19] proposal would add an additional
[3:45:23] access onto for sound
[3:45:26] Road it would it would add an additional
[3:45:29] access onto Forest sound Road yes I I'm
[3:45:32] not um I may defer to my client here but
[3:45:37] I don't know that I've seen a document
[3:45:39] that says my client can have one access
[3:45:41] and one access only I've read the road
[3:45:44] maintenance agreement I have copies if
[3:45:45] the board would like it um I know when
[3:45:49] my client mentioned spent a a
[3:45:52] significant amount of money impr
[3:45:54] improving or sort of redoing Forest
[3:45:56] sound Road um after the
[3:45:59] development my client does have the
[3:46:01] right to use Forest sound Road and I
[3:46:04] understand and I'm I'm I appreciate what
[3:46:06] the the neighbors are saying when
[3:46:07] they're saying it's their Road or their
[3:46:09] neighborhood but it's my client does
[3:46:10] have the right to use it and and he did
[3:46:14] construct the
[3:46:16] I would say which is a benefit to
[3:46:18] everybody the connector between Forest
[3:46:20] sound Road and what eventually get you
[3:46:23] to factory road so I think that's a
[3:46:24] benefit for everybody well well let me
[3:46:27] ask this other question yes ma'am the sanctuary as proposed and
[3:46:33] developed if these residents were
[3:46:36] putting that boat in their backyard yes
[3:46:40] ma'am they would have the right to
[3:46:43] travel down
[3:46:45] this road to get to their home in that
[3:46:48] existing access yes ma'am that's exactly
[3:46:51] right they could park their boat in
[3:46:53] their driveway I don't know that there's
[3:46:54] any limitation on that but um they have
[3:46:58] the right to use that road to bring
[3:47:02] their RV down there U so so
[3:47:06] theoretically I
[3:47:08] guess if these homeowners in the
[3:47:10] sanctuary had a boat they could drag it
[3:47:13] down Force sound Road and put it in
[3:47:15] their yard or they could drive it a
[3:47:18] lesser distance down forest sound Road
[3:47:21] and put it in
[3:47:22] the in for safekeeping into the yes
[3:47:26] ma'am yes ma'am I I that is correct and
[3:47:29] um I think it goes to the issue too
[3:47:31] about the concern about it perhaps being
[3:47:34] unsightly but again this the gate itself
[3:47:37] I can go back to that is is a 161
[3:47:41] ft off of I find that
[3:47:45] and and that and that buffer is what I
[3:47:48] was trying to get
[3:47:50] to earlier when I said how much of how
[3:47:54] much of it under this canopy are you
[3:47:56] going to
[3:47:57] cut I don't think there's any intent to
[3:48:00] cut any of the natural buffer you can
[3:48:02] see the scale of this is you can see
[3:48:04] where the 30 foot buffer is shown and I
[3:48:07] think the 30 foot buffer type A4 is a
[3:48:09] requirement but beyond that there's no intent to cut anything that
[3:48:14] is does not need cut and there's quite a
[3:48:17] bit of vegetation out there so but the
[3:48:19] plan is showing and I think is required
[3:48:20] to have that 30ft buffer but you can see
[3:48:23] the extension before you even get to the
[3:48:26] um the gate is another is another 130
[3:48:30] feet yes ma'am okay thank you
[3:48:34] um I was going to also mention here this
[3:48:38] slide is somewhat deceptive in my view
[3:48:40] this the white area just indicates
[3:48:43] Uplands not clearing
[3:48:45] so it's all wooded so the area that's
[3:48:49] hatched here where the trailers and
[3:48:50] boats and whatnot and the drive will go
[3:48:52] through is 3.1 Acres of the
[3:48:56] 4 five acres of Upland so I think one of
[3:49:00] your earlier question is how much are we
[3:49:02] clearing of the site and we're only
[3:49:04] clearing what's necessary for the
[3:49:06] parking and the Ingress and egress so
[3:49:09] and you said about four and a half acres
[3:49:11] the whole site and then three point how
[3:49:13] much are you going to clear
[3:49:14] approximately 3.1 of the 4 and a half
[3:49:17] acres okay so of the 60 Acres 3.1 Acres
[3:49:21] will be cleared and um I don't know I'm
[3:49:24] not good at this slide but um let's go
[3:49:27] to the the Uplands area on Le yes ma'am
[3:49:32] that accesses Le
[3:49:34] okay what's the uploads
[3:49:37] acreage
[3:49:38] on Le I would have to
[3:49:43] um get that bear with me one second I'm
[3:49:46] G try
[3:49:47] to I'm
[3:49:48] sorry got the wrong guy driving um I did
[3:49:53] want to mention there isn't back back to
[3:49:55] the Ingress and erress just a little bit
[3:49:57] when Mr Howard negotiated let's not
[3:50:01] let's go back to the Uplands on lead
[3:50:03] like I asked
[3:50:06] him keep going go back to
[3:50:14] she wants to lead Drive
[3:50:17] the hi my name's Brad shmer land planner
[3:50:19] with Paramount engineering um I'm
[3:50:21] referring to this slide here cuz you see
[3:50:23] in the vicinity map that is the actual
[3:50:25] Wetlands the previous plan was the plan
[3:50:28] from 2015 I'm asking the question show
[3:50:31] me and tell me how much
[3:50:33] Uplands is on that six roughly 60 acre
[3:50:37] parcel that fronts Lee Drive or road or
[3:50:42] whatever it is this little section right
[3:50:44] here here is approximately 3.4
[3:50:47] Acres I I can't see it yeah I'm sorry
[3:50:50] where are
[3:50:51] you right here in the top left corner oh
[3:50:55] gotcha so how much acreage is that
[3:50:58] Uplands it's approximately 3.4
[3:51:01] Acres which is approximately the size of
[3:51:05] the you should clear on the other amount
[3:51:08] that you're going to clear to have
[3:51:11] access on Forest sound Road correct and
[3:51:15] so again tell me why you don't put the
[3:51:18] boat storage on Lee well one ma'am we
[3:51:21] would need to buffer that first so we
[3:51:24] have residents living on Lee Drive so
[3:51:27] I'm I'm just def giving difference to
[3:51:29] those folks that live on lead Drive
[3:51:31] we've got a site that will be almost
[3:51:34] invisible from anybody even when you're
[3:51:36] driving down for sound Road and Lead
[3:51:38] drive because the way it's situated in
[3:51:41] the trees number one understood and so
[3:51:44] lead said
[3:51:46] earlier that that up site that fronts
[3:51:50] leaves is not sufficient in size for
[3:51:53] your purposes it is not I was going to
[3:51:55] say the second reason is after we buffer
[3:51:57] that site at least 30 feet then the
[3:52:00] width of it as you can see here the
[3:52:03] width where we have the majority of our
[3:52:06] boat storage from the Red Dot I don't
[3:52:09] maybe Brad can tell me that exact width
[3:52:11] we don't have that much geography feet
[3:52:14] for the Ingress and egress of a boat the
[3:52:17] trailer the 161 ft of storage and so on
[3:52:21] so the the mechanics of the parking lot
[3:52:24] will not work there if that makes sense
[3:52:26] if you had to put a buffer or even
[3:52:28] without a buffer to put put a 30 foot
[3:52:32] buffer it would make the size not
[3:52:35] workable for the Uplands parcel only yes
[3:52:39] ma'am is is that a true statement that
[3:52:41] is especially for 106 boat storage Lots
[3:52:45] got I'm not saying we can't put any
[3:52:47] there in my comment at the community
[3:52:48] meeting was just intuitively by looking
[3:52:51] at the geography it won't fit there but
[3:52:54] I'm not saying no boats will fit there
[3:52:56] I'm just saying a facility for the
[3:52:58] neighborhood won't fit there okay I'm
[3:53:01] just trying to sus
[3:53:05] out reasons why we're not in accordance
[3:53:09] with the comments that we've heard can I
[3:53:12] ask staff a question yes ma'am is there
[3:53:14] any way we could use a fencing rather
[3:53:17] than a 30 foot
[3:53:18] buffer uh yes ma'am certainly this is a
[3:53:22] conditional resoning so there's
[3:53:23] flexibility for the board to uh Place
[3:53:26] conditions that you know if the
[3:53:28] applicant approves to uh or consents to
[3:53:30] those conditions um then that is
[3:53:33] certainly a a possible
[3:53:36] step okay thank you is this Uplands
[3:53:40] three and a half acres on Uplands that
[3:53:43] um
[3:53:45] front Lee is that
[3:53:48] wooded primarily yes ma'am okay there
[3:53:51] spots that are cleared but I mean wooded
[3:53:54] for the most but the Uplands area for
[3:53:56] the most part is it just
[3:53:58] as wooded as is the other parcel of
[3:54:02] Uplands that fronts Forest sound I would
[3:54:07] say it's very similar yes ma'am okay all
[3:54:09] right pretty much the whole site all 60
[3:54:12] Acres is is wooded is there anything
[3:54:16] whether you do it on either Uplands
[3:54:18] parcel is there anything that you could
[3:54:21] think of because I'm
[3:54:23] concerned um that there is um because of
[3:54:29] the excuse me the sanctuary development
[3:54:32] that there's additional water uh
[3:54:35] flooding being experienced by other
[3:54:38] homeowners around the sanctuary is there
[3:54:42] anything or any convers ation or any
[3:54:45] plans to do any drainage or directing
[3:54:52] runoff wherever you clear for the boat
[3:54:55] basins um beyond having it 100%
[3:54:59] impervious there's not a project I've
[3:55:02] ever done that's 100% impervious so when
[3:55:05] we clear and when we install the Geotech
[3:55:08] Fabric and the the the rock matter and
[3:55:11] the impervious concrete it will all be
[3:55:13] perious
[3:55:14] so there is my answer would be I don't
[3:55:17] know if there's anything else we could
[3:55:19] do beyond that that would be in my view
[3:55:22] the gold standard when you cut trees
[3:55:25] will you agree with me that there would
[3:55:27] be additional runoff yes ma'am no
[3:55:30] there's no question I think that um part
[3:55:32] of the problem I'm not just again I'm
[3:55:35] rehashing the the area of the storm
[3:55:37] water you're bringing up their Causeway
[3:55:39] does flood when when Mr Hall did that
[3:55:41] development he didn't do it under the
[3:55:43] current storm water or really any storm
[3:55:45] water regulations and at that time to my
[3:55:47] knowledge the development ordinance
[3:55:49] didn't require private roads to be built
[3:55:51] to dat standards so I do agree they have
[3:55:54] an issue there but that wasn't caused by
[3:55:57] the sanctuary their issue was started in
[3:55:59] the 80s or 90s when that development
[3:56:01] Started Mr Hall was here you testify to
[3:56:04] that but this particular development of
[3:56:08] the boat storage is 100% impervious when
[3:56:11] the trees come out the perious matter
[3:56:13] goes in so we're going to
[3:56:15] have again in my view the state of North
[3:56:19] Carolina deer would tell you that a 100%
[3:56:22] pervious parking lot is very hard to
[3:56:25] come by I don't know of one in there
[3:56:27] probably is one but I don't know of one
[3:56:29] in east side of 17 and just as a
[3:56:32] reference to the use I counted well
[3:56:34] there's one in Salter's Haven not even
[3:56:36] two or 3 hundred yards away there are 12
[3:56:39] residential which I sent to Mr Adams in
[3:56:41] my initial conversations there're 12
[3:56:44] residential single family neighborhoods
[3:56:46] with private boat storage facilities
[3:56:47] today as we speak east of 17 in
[3:56:51] Hampstead we're this isn't a unique
[3:56:54] situation at all in my view matter of
[3:56:56] fact it's a preferable one if you're a
[3:56:58] boat owner in Pender County but most of
[3:57:01] those are all designed inside of the
[3:57:02] neighborhood sir yes sir they are and I
[3:57:05] think there's some misnomer on the
[3:57:08] Neighborhood Mr Howard Mr Hall did not
[3:57:12] buy this track of land from Mr Howard he
[3:57:14] only bought a portion of it so in
[3:57:16] exchange for that he said you can bring
[3:57:19] your private road through but I'm going
[3:57:21] to have access to the road for for my
[3:57:24] future seller or he could have developed
[3:57:25] it a separate neighborhood so on any
[3:57:28] public or private road if the owners of
[3:57:32] forest sound or Mr Hall wanted to
[3:57:35] protect the site they would have
[3:57:36] purchased it and then they would have
[3:57:38] been able to remove the access to Forest
[3:57:40] sound road but as it stands at the time
[3:57:43] Mr could have developed 20 lots that
[3:57:46] front for sound Road or 50 or I don't
[3:57:49] know how long it is but one every 100
[3:57:51] fet to use ra zoning as an example so
[3:57:54] that he didn't want to limit the access
[3:57:56] for land he didn't sell to the
[3:57:58] neighborhood to the east of him you know
[3:58:02] Forest sound so it we are not this is a
[3:58:05] private piece of property it's not in
[3:58:07] the forest sound it's called Sanctuary
[3:58:08] at for sound but it's not in their
[3:58:10] neighborhood it was never part of their
[3:58:12] neighborhood it wasn't a plat of their
[3:58:13] neighborhood it was a separate parcel
[3:58:15] that Mr Hall did not buy because because
[3:58:19] it's a 60 acre parcel that from what
[3:58:24] I've
[3:58:25] gathered is 50 acres wetlands and 10
[3:58:29] acres of Uplands in two different places
[3:58:33] yeah well the whole parcel we bought was
[3:58:35] 127 Acres so the balance of that was up
[3:58:38] talking about the parcel in question
[3:58:39] here yes ma' roughly 60 Acres yes ma'am
[3:58:43] that's true that's primar Wetlands yes
[3:58:45] ma'am that's true and what's going to
[3:58:47] happen when you cut five acres or 3 and
[3:58:51] A2 Acres of the
[3:58:53] Uplands what's going to happen with the
[3:58:56] remainder remainder of the wetlands is
[3:58:59] that going to make it worse bring the
[3:59:02] water table up no I wouldn't say so maam
[3:59:05] we're well within the diner guidelines I
[3:59:07] mean we're I think beyond that as far as
[3:59:09] it relates to having a perious facility
[3:59:12] so I think anywhere in Pender County
[3:59:14] that you develop near Wetlands there's
[3:59:17] trees that are taken out and they have
[3:59:19] to deal with that in the diner code in
[3:59:21] the storm water code and there's there's
[3:59:24] you can have high density which our our
[3:59:26] project's low density so you can have
[3:59:29] high density with storm water ponds and
[3:59:31] have you know more more Lots or you can
[3:59:33] have low density and I think what we've
[3:59:35] designed here I know it meets the state
[3:59:37] code but I think in addition to that
[3:59:40] being 100% impervious I don't know of a
[3:59:42] different way we could do it more
[3:59:44] environmentally sensitive that I know of
[3:59:47] yes sir thank you thank you I have a
[3:59:49] question for Mr Adams Mr Adams currently
[3:59:52] under the current Zone and if if it was
[3:59:56] to stay just like it is and no action to
[3:59:58] be taken what would Mr Jackson be by
[4:00:01] right legally able to build or put there
[4:00:03] right now nothing what's currently Zone it's a
[4:00:09] conditional zoning District so when that
[4:00:13] zoning District was approved that was uh
[4:00:16] not designated for any use so if he were
[4:00:18] to say propose to build more homes he'd
[4:00:21] have to come back before this board to
[4:00:22] amend that approval so he's not allowed
[4:00:26] to to build anything on that site
[4:00:28] without getting approval from this
[4:00:34] board any other questions I have any
[4:00:37] other questions yeah is this your
[4:00:40] District or is this this is commissioner
[4:00:56] so we're at a point
[4:00:58] for a
[4:01:01] motion if I if I may just add one thing
[4:01:05] I I know the applicant had added a uh if
[4:01:07] there is a motion to approve in those
[4:01:09] conditions of approval I know the
[4:01:10] applicant had added a portion on to the
[4:01:13] last condition of approval and I just
[4:01:15] want to clarify that um wouldn't that be
[4:01:19] redundant that that modification that he
[4:01:23] wanted on the condition with regards the
[4:01:26] Ingress and egress width and composition
[4:01:29] that it be in accordance with State and
[4:01:32] um other agency requirements is that
[4:01:36] what you're talking about yes ma'am do you have
[4:01:40] that that you can pull up his um
[4:01:45] modified
[4:01:47] condition his proposed modified
[4:01:54] condition I didn't see it there it is
[4:01:57] okay what page is
[4:01:59] that that's in um the applicant's
[4:02:02] presentation so it's not in any of the
[4:02:09] reports Mr Burton what say ye
[4:02:14] well I think that the
[4:02:16] um the applicant has done his due
[4:02:20] diligence to improve the area I think he
[4:02:23] spent a lot of money and got
[4:02:27] some agreements with the HOA on the
[4:02:34] roads and I think being all of that area
[4:02:37] is going to be
[4:02:39] pervious I would I would move the
[4:02:42] motion with all his dut to move the
[4:02:44] motion to approve the zoning map
[4:02:45] Amendment uh the language is on page
[4:02:48] 15 I think I'm reading it okay finding
[4:02:52] that the approval is consistent with the
[4:02:53] following policies in Pender 2.0
[4:02:55] comprehensive plan use policy 5.1. F
[4:02:59] recommended by action 5.1.
[4:03:02] K1 proposed resoning is consistent with
[4:03:05] the low density residential funer land
[4:03:07] use plan in the Pender County
[4:03:09] 2.0 comprehensive fuse plan proposal is
[4:03:13] reasonable and in the public interest
[4:03:15] because it potential to be generally
[4:03:18] consistent with use with current land
[4:03:21] uses in the
[4:03:23] vicinity does your motion to approve
[4:03:25] include the conditional
[4:03:28] modification as yeah you can include the
[4:03:31] conditional modification that if DEQ or
[4:03:33] the state requires any
[4:03:35] further uh on that
[4:03:37] entrance that they be required
[4:03:40] to meet that comply with
[4:03:44] yes I'll second I have a motion to
[4:03:47] Second all those in favor raise your
[4:03:48] right hand any
[4:03:52] opposed motion passes
[4:03:55] 32 thank
[4:04:01] you me get back to where I was supposed
[4:04:04] to
[4:04:05] be provision to existing special use
[4:04:08] permit that permitted industrial park in
[4:04:10] Grady
[4:04:12] Township yes sir Mr chairman thank
[4:04:15] you um the second case on the agenda
[4:04:18] this evening is a revision to an
[4:04:20] existing special use permit yes sir yes
[4:04:22] sir thank you um and we had one sign up
[4:04:26] I believe if
[4:04:29] uh yes just be SW Sol SAR the testimony
[4:04:33] give his even be the truth the whole
[4:04:34] truth so help you God yes sir I do and
[4:04:38] SP confirm
[4:04:43] thank you Mr Thurman U members of the
[4:04:45] board again just a revision to an
[4:04:47] existing special use permit uh that was
[4:04:49] initially issued in 2009 and
[4:04:51] subsequently revised in
[4:04:54] 2014 that permitted an industrial park
[4:04:57] uh that we all know as Pender Commerce
[4:05:00] Park um so I'm going to just go through
[4:05:02] a a little bit of brief background on
[4:05:04] this property and Orient the board with
[4:05:06] the site and then I'll turn it over uh
[4:05:08] to miss Spinx if she has anything to add
[4:05:10] although she's really more here just to
[4:05:12] answer any questions
[4:05:14] should the board have them so the map on
[4:05:16] the site um you can see the Pender
[4:05:19] Commerce Park is outlined or or shaded
[4:05:23] in a light blue color the subject
[4:05:25] property is in red and the subject
[4:05:27] property is approximately 15 Acres on
[4:05:30] the east side of US Highway 421 just
[4:05:33] north of the Pender new han County
[4:05:36] Line and some background on this
[4:05:39] property uh or on the Commerce Park if
[4:05:41] you will on February 16th of 2009 a
[4:05:44] special use permit was issued for an
[4:05:46] industrial park that covered
[4:05:48] approximately 378 Acres that special use
[4:05:51] permit was revised in 2014 to expand the
[4:05:55] industrial
[4:05:56] park and then on September 21st of 2021
[4:06:00] the county sold the approximately 15
[4:06:03] acres to Philips leasing Systems
[4:06:06] LLC here's a map of the site uh just to
[4:06:09] give you some reference this is a
[4:06:11] recorded map
[4:06:14] the subject property is primarily zoned
[4:06:17] Industrial in the general industrial
[4:06:19] category although the tail falls in the
[4:06:21] rural agricultural zoning
[4:06:24] District just a couple photos of the
[4:06:27] site standing across 421 looking East
[4:06:30] towards the site um you can see that
[4:06:33] there appears to be a stub all 421
[4:06:35] that's barricaded and this is actually
[4:06:37] standing on that stub looking Northeast
[4:06:39] to the subject property
[4:06:45] uh this slide is really just intended to
[4:06:47] confirm to the board that removing this
[4:06:50] property from the special you from the
[4:06:52] special use permit that governs the
[4:06:53] Commerce Park doesn't affect the
[4:06:56] existing special use permit or have any
[4:06:58] effect on the Commerce Park so you can
[4:07:00] see that industrial parks are permitted
[4:07:02] in the general industrial zoning
[4:07:04] District via a special use permit and
[4:07:06] they must have the following five items
[4:07:09] that are listed on the board there by
[4:07:11] removing these 15 Acres we're not uh
[4:07:14] impairing the ability of the industrial
[4:07:16] park to continue to operate or be
[4:07:18] governed by the special use
[4:07:22] permit uh the future land use map
[4:07:24] designates this property as industrial
[4:07:28] uh which is consistent with the
[4:07:29] development pattern in this
[4:07:31] area and on the screen are the findings
[4:07:33] of fact uh that are in the Udo that the
[4:07:36] board must make when uh issuing approval
[4:07:39] of a special use permit or special use
[4:07:41] permit revision this is this is the end
[4:07:44] of staff's presentation again miss Spinx
[4:07:46] is here representing the applicant um
[4:07:48] she does not have a presentation
[4:07:49] prepared and and really is just here to
[4:07:51] answer question should the board have
[4:07:55] them what's staff's recommendation we
[4:07:58] generally don't make recommendations on
[4:08:01] special use permits I I would say that
[4:08:03] this is consistent with the future land
[4:08:05] use plan the property is zoned
[4:08:07] industrial so it's reasonable to expect
[4:08:09] that Industrial Development will occur
[4:08:11] on this site um on the new County side
[4:08:14] south of you know south of the subject
[4:08:16] site it's also zoned for heavy heavy
[4:08:19] Industrial Development and the owner
[4:08:21] owns the adjacent property on the new
[4:08:24] han County side as
[4:08:29] well is there any additional
[4:08:32] questions or is there any questions for
[4:08:34] the
[4:08:39] applicant there are no questions is
[4:08:41] there a motion
[4:09:04] last call is there a motion to
[4:09:08] approve motion to approve I have a
[4:09:10] motion to approve is there a second there's a motion on a second all
[4:09:14] those in favor raise your right
[4:09:17] hand thank
[4:09:20] you sorry about that you're
[4:09:25] good
[4:09:27] 21.3 provision to an existing special
[4:09:29] use permit that it prohibited permitted
[4:09:32] a community boating facility in Long
[4:09:34] Point estate's neighborhood with TOS
[4:09:37] Township and Mr chairman this sup that
[4:09:40] we will need to squar uh and we have a
[4:09:42] number of sign ups
[4:09:43] uh anyone who uh has signed up think say
[4:09:46] may wish to speak on this matter uh
[4:09:48] would please stand
[4:09:54] be um testimony give be the truth the
[4:09:58] whole truth so help you
[4:09:59] God thank you
[4:10:03] all good evening Mr chairman and members
[4:10:06] of the board tonight we're here to
[4:10:08] discuss a revision to a previously
[4:10:09] issued special use permit for the longo
[4:10:12] estate's home Owners Association um
[4:10:15] there was a previous approval um last
[4:10:17] year under Su case
[4:10:21] 2023-24 um for a special use permit for
[4:10:23] the expansion of an existing Community
[4:10:26] boating facility in the longpoint
[4:10:27] estate's community at the time the
[4:10:30] request was to add an additional five
[4:10:33] boat slips to the existing facility
[4:10:36] along Hughes Road bringing the total
[4:10:38] number of boat slips on site to 10 in
[4:10:42] addition to the existing
[4:10:43] um boat
[4:10:46] ramp which
[4:10:48] brought
[4:10:50] each property owner in the neighborhood
[4:10:52] to have their own boat slip right so
[4:10:55] we're going to talk a little bit more
[4:10:57] about the the the use of the boat ramp
[4:10:59] in question as that is a focus of the
[4:11:00] request this evening so the revision
[4:11:04] tonight seeks to allow a limited number
[4:11:06] of hammock watch and Greystone residents
[4:11:08] which are two nearby neighborhoods to
[4:11:10] utilize the longo estate's Community
[4:11:12] boat range
[4:11:15] and as you can see here the subject
[4:11:16] property is highlighted in in a black
[4:11:19] pattern um the total acreage is around
[4:11:21] two acres this is off of Hughes Road
[4:11:25] near the end of Washington Acres Road
[4:11:27] and I've highlighted some of the the
[4:11:29] neighborhoods nearby you can see
[4:11:30] Washington acres is to the north of the
[4:11:33] property in question you have hammock
[4:11:35] watch to the southwest and then Longo
[4:11:38] Estates consists of a lot of the a lot
[4:11:41] of the nearby residences
[4:11:44] the subject parcels and the surrounding
[4:11:46] area zone RP residential
[4:11:49] performance and here's an aial of the
[4:11:51] site um this is a bit dated since this
[4:11:54] photo was taken and per the approval
[4:11:57] from the last special use permit they
[4:11:58] did build five additional boat slips for
[4:12:02] individual Property Owners at the
[4:12:04] site and as you can see there's an
[4:12:06] existing boat ramp to the north of those
[4:12:09] slips those were the five that were
[4:12:12] previously approved
[4:12:13] bringing the total on site of 10 which
[4:12:15] again gives every single owner in the
[4:12:19] HOA Community um an individual boat slip
[4:12:22] most of which have their own at their
[4:12:24] own properties which are for the most
[4:12:25] part on the water themselves but this
[4:12:28] provides boat slips for those those
[4:12:30] owners do that do not have direct water
[4:12:33] access and so here's an an aerial image
[4:12:36] with the site plan as you can see
[4:12:37] there's a there's a finston area here a
[4:12:41] green area here that's been ly used for
[4:12:43] parking there's parking on the interior
[4:12:47] you can see that existing concrete boat
[4:12:49] ramp they have a a covered shelter on
[4:12:52] site as well and then directly to the
[4:12:53] north you can see the Washington Acres
[4:12:55] boat
[4:12:57] ramp there are some Wetlands on the
[4:12:59] property um which is common for for a
[4:13:01] coastal area like this and I also want
[4:13:03] to point out that a community boating
[4:13:05] facility as a use is allowed via special
[4:13:07] use permit by by the Board of
[4:13:11] Commissioners so briefly I want to talk
[4:13:12] about about what a community boating
[4:13:14] facility is um per the unified
[4:13:16] development ordinance a private
[4:13:19] nonprofit boating facility with
[4:13:21] navigable water Frontage which includes
[4:13:22] a dock Pier or launching ramp which is
[4:13:25] intended to serve five or more
[4:13:27] residential units it must be controlled
[4:13:29] or owned or controlled by a homeowners
[4:13:32] association or any type of Development
[4:13:35] Association or Collective Owners Group
[4:13:37] where more than one family has
[4:13:39] privileges to use the facility
[4:13:41] commercial activities of any kind in
[4:13:43] including commercial letting of slips to
[4:13:44] parties that are not residents of the
[4:13:46] association or development shall be
[4:13:52] prohibited so as I mentioned originally
[4:13:55] this special use permit was issued for
[4:13:57] the residents and property owners of
[4:13:59] Long Point Estates since that time they
[4:14:01] have entered into a memorandum of
[4:14:03] understanding with hammock watch and
[4:14:05] Greystone to essentially create a
[4:14:07] collective Owners Group to share in the
[4:14:09] use of that boat ramp as moving forward
[4:14:13] without these neighborhoods involved
[4:14:15] there would the boat ramp would be
[4:14:17] underutilized because each owner has
[4:14:18] their own slip so this would allow the
[4:14:21] that to be used by the neighboring
[4:14:23] communities select neighboring
[4:14:25] communities and just to be clear this
[4:14:26] will be accessible by limited number of
[4:14:30] folks in these
[4:14:31] neighborhoods but the the the facility
[4:14:33] itself is not growing or changing so the
[4:14:36] capacity will remain the
[4:14:38] same so here's some trip counts from the
[4:14:41] last special use permit just kind of is
[4:14:43] you know illustrating
[4:14:44] that the additional five boat slips at
[4:14:47] the time equated to around an additional
[4:14:50] 12 trips per day um which was an
[4:14:53] additional one trip per peak hour in the
[4:14:56] AM or PM um they actually did not have a trip count generation with the dot
[4:15:02] that equaled an approximation for the
[4:15:06] use of a boat ramp so the marina was the
[4:15:08] closest thing for
[4:15:09] that so here's some some photos of the
[4:15:12] site um from last fall so you can see
[4:15:15] there's a very very large grass area
[4:15:18] along Hughes Road in between that you
[4:15:20] see a marsh area that's grown up with
[4:15:22] vegetation on the opposite side of this
[4:15:24] would be those boat
[4:15:26] slips and then if we Shuffle down the
[4:15:28] street a bit we can see the gate that
[4:15:30] takes you into the boat ramp um boat
[4:15:33] ramp
[4:15:35] area and so when we talk about special
[4:15:38] use permits one of the requirements for
[4:15:40] a special use permit is that is
[4:15:42] consistent with the future land use plan
[4:15:44] designation for that property which in
[4:15:46] this case is Coastal residential which
[4:15:48] is intended to preserve the County's
[4:15:50] Coastal
[4:15:51] character and it encourages unencumbered
[4:15:53] access to public trust Coastal
[4:15:56] Waters and appropriate land uses include
[4:15:58] single family residences community
[4:16:01] recreation open space uses and
[4:16:03] water-based recreational uses so this
[4:16:06] existing
[4:16:07] facility is is in direct support of the
[4:16:10] coastal residential intention um to
[4:16:12] allow water access for those communities
[4:16:14] and those
[4:16:16] residents and so as you can see before
[4:16:18] you these are these are the eight
[4:16:19] requirements that have to be met for the
[4:16:21] special use permit to be
[4:16:25] issued and then these are the standard
[4:16:27] conditions for for a special use permit
[4:16:30] but again there's no proposed changes to
[4:16:31] the site it's just a matter of letting
[4:16:33] limited number of neighboring
[4:16:35] communities use the underutilized boat
[4:16:39] ramp moving
[4:16:40] forward so that they may have direct
[4:16:43] water
[4:16:44] access are there any
[4:16:47] questions any questions for staff this
[4:16:49] may be a stupid question but back up to
[4:16:53] the the one the last slide you were
[4:16:56] talking about the
[4:17:01] conditions the obligations imposed by
[4:17:04] this permit will be the
[4:17:06] responsibility of the property owner in
[4:17:09] this case who is the property owner the
[4:17:13] applicant HOA
[4:17:16] or because we've got other residential
[4:17:21] groups involved who who was responsible
[4:17:25] for damage to this property if allowed
[4:17:29] access the longo Estates HOA is the
[4:17:33] property owner and to my knowledge
[4:17:34] there's no intent to change that status
[4:17:37] the agreement they've entered into is
[4:17:38] not an ownership agreement it's merely
[4:17:40] an agreement to utilize to use that
[4:17:43] property unencumbered usage yes ma' new
[4:17:47] members and they do and the applicant
[4:17:49] can speak to this or the applicants
[4:17:51] representative they do have some kind of
[4:17:53] restrictions for those users that he'll
[4:17:55] go over in his presentation sure thank
[4:18:01] you any additional questions for
[4:18:07] staff thank you thank you
[4:18:18] is applicant
[4:18:23] here good evening again Mr chairman and
[4:18:26] members of the board uh I appreciate the
[4:18:28] opportunity to speak again this evening
[4:18:31] um I'm Matt Nichols uh I'm an attorney
[4:18:33] in Wilmington and I'm representing the
[4:18:35] longpoint Estates
[4:18:37] HOA uh this evening they are the
[4:18:39] applicant and the the property owner and uh with me here this evening are is
[4:18:45] um Ellen Wartman she's an attorney um
[4:18:48] she's the regular HOA attorney and I
[4:18:51] asked Ellen to be here and thankfully
[4:18:53] she was available to answer any
[4:18:55] questions that the board may have and
[4:18:56] also to make sure I'm speaking correctly
[4:18:59] as to the HOA Long Point Estate so um
[4:19:03] the um and Terry Williams one of our
[4:19:06] board members is here and there may be a couple other board
[4:19:10] members but um we have a series of
[4:19:13] slides Mr chairman and I think that will
[4:19:15] help explain the request and um if you
[4:19:19] have any questions along the way please
[4:19:21] don't hesitate to uh to to stop uh stop
[4:19:25] me um this is uh the general vicinity of
[4:19:28] the longpoint Estates boat ramp
[4:19:33] property and here's sort of a closeup of the boat ramp property I know the
[4:19:38] board members will be familiar with this
[4:19:40] because uh last year late last year year
[4:19:43] the board allow my client uh to uh build
[4:19:47] five additional wet slips on the
[4:19:50] Waterway so the boat ramp that we're
[4:19:53] talking about tonight is located there
[4:19:56] uh as
[4:19:57] shown and then just an overall sort of a
[4:20:01] vantage point of everything um that's
[4:20:04] approximation of the of the same
[4:20:06] property and then um right the the
[4:20:10] yellow star represents the slips that
[4:20:12] were there previously and then the blue
[4:20:14] star is where this board um allowed the
[4:20:17] additional five slips approved and I
[4:20:20] believe it was December of
[4:20:22] 2023 and then to provide some further
[4:20:24] context there's um the longpoint Estates
[4:20:28] boat
[4:20:29] ramp and then there's the neighboring
[4:20:33] Washington Acres boat ramp which is not
[4:20:36] part of this request at all it's a it's
[4:20:38] a completely different facility and as
[4:20:40] you'll see as you go through the these
[4:20:41] slides they're they're different users
[4:20:43] and it's it's just they happen to be
[4:20:45] next to each
[4:20:47] other so here's another view sort of a
[4:20:50] street view of the longo Estates uh HOA
[4:20:55] facility and then again here and then to
[4:20:58] the left of the screen you can again see
[4:21:00] the Washington Acres boat ramp and if
[4:21:03] I'm not mistaken I I I don't know that
[4:21:05] there's any access between the two I'll
[4:21:07] maybe let um some of the other folks
[4:21:10] speak to that but they're they're
[4:21:12] separate parking areas separate separate
[4:21:15] areas Al
[4:21:17] together here's just another view
[4:21:20] looking down Hughes Road and you can see
[4:21:22] um the Gated area shown there in the
[4:21:25] distance that's the Long Point of States
[4:21:27] but also outside of the Gated area
[4:21:29] there's quite a bit of parking
[4:21:31] available um for uh vehicles and
[4:21:35] trailers here's just another view of
[4:21:40] that so um long point of States we
[4:21:43] provided this just to show you kind of
[4:21:45] where in proximity the two other
[4:21:48] neighborhoods that were asking the board
[4:21:50] to consider this evening are uh you can
[4:21:52] see Longo Estates
[4:21:54] here that's sort of a generalization of
[4:21:57] where Longo Estates is and I'll I'll
[4:21:58] come back to that with a little handout
[4:22:00] I have but um there's Longo Estates and
[4:22:02] then you can see Highway
[4:22:04] 17 and Greystone is the first
[4:22:07] neighborhood that we're asking for the
[4:22:08] board to consider to allow using the the
[4:22:12] longo Estates boat ramp as I mentioned
[4:22:15] before when this board approved the um
[4:22:18] we appreciate the board approving the
[4:22:20] ability to build those five additional
[4:22:22] wet slips my understanding is now
[4:22:24] everybody within the Long Point estate's
[4:22:27] HOA now has a a wet slip either at their
[4:22:31] lot or at that Community slip so the
[4:22:34] boat ramp really isn't
[4:22:37] utilized uh if you will in the same way
[4:22:39] that a community that simply has a boat
[4:22:41] ramp it's certainly convenient to get
[4:22:44] boats in and out of in an emergency and
[4:22:46] or maintenance and that sort of thing
[4:22:48] but my understanding is most people are
[4:22:50] keeping their boats at their slip which makes
[4:22:52] sense um the Greystone Community is
[4:22:56] shown here with the green um the green
[4:22:58] star and we've got the subdivision map
[4:23:01] here this is map book 46 at page 40 of
[4:23:04] the Pender County registry and I believe
[4:23:06] there's um representatives of Greystone
[4:23:09] here this evening um but Greystone
[4:23:12] consists of 35 lots and conveniently
[4:23:15] they're actually all sort of shown on
[4:23:17] one map and and these are the lots here
[4:23:19] and to provide sort of some context
[4:23:21] here's the Pender County GIS of
[4:23:24] Washington Acres shown in uh sort of the
[4:23:28] pink color and you can see that um
[4:23:31] Greystone is really not part of
[4:23:34] Washington Acres my understanding um
[4:23:37] it's in it and surrounded by it but the
[4:23:39] Greystone neighborhood is not allowed to
[4:23:41] use the the Washington Acres boat ramp
[4:23:44] so they they don't have access to
[4:23:47] that currently the my guess would be if
[4:23:51] someone were U if this is not allowed
[4:23:53] tonight then they would be using a
[4:23:57] public boat ramp and that would involve
[4:23:59] um you know getting on Highway 17 and
[4:24:01] either traveling north or south so in
[4:24:03] considering this we do think that there
[4:24:05] is a benefit to um both the Greystone
[4:24:09] and the hammock watch communities of um
[4:24:12] having much more direct access to the
[4:24:15] water with the boats and not getting out
[4:24:16] and putting the boat travel trail
[4:24:19] trailering traffic on uh
[4:24:22] 17 so back to the map we've got
[4:24:24] Greystone shown in green and then
[4:24:26] hammock watch which is a smaller
[4:24:28] Community but it's immediately adjacent
[4:24:30] to Long Point
[4:24:31] Estates
[4:24:33] and again here's just the general
[4:24:35] vicinity map of showing that and then
[4:24:37] we've got
[4:24:38] a here's a
[4:24:41] map uh showing the 14 Lots um in Hammock
[4:24:45] watch there's not one map of all of
[4:24:48] hammock watch but this map happens to
[4:24:49] show the 14 Lots shown here a couple
[4:24:53] things I would point out with hammock
[4:24:54] watch my understanding that there's a
[4:24:57] community boating facility for hammock
[4:24:59] watch so I believe it's nine of those
[4:25:03] folks are have slips also at their own
[4:25:06] facility and the reason I'm pointing
[4:25:08] that out is because this really is I
[4:25:11] don't think it's going to see like real
[4:25:12] intense use from hammock watch it would
[4:25:15] be to allow them to get their boats in
[4:25:17] and out of in close proximity to their
[4:25:19] neighborhood
[4:25:20] also um but of course um we're asking
[4:25:24] for their ability to to also use
[4:25:29] it as uh Mr Brantley mentioned we are
[4:25:32] proposing a number of boat ramp rules um
[4:25:36] The Long Point estate's HOA would be who
[4:25:38] would if if granted by the board would
[4:25:40] be the recipient of the special use
[4:25:43] permit and we would be responsible for
[4:25:46] making sure all the rules are followed
[4:25:48] there's any enforcement issues uh that
[4:25:50] would be to the special use permit
[4:25:52] applicant so it would be incumbent on us
[4:25:54] to make sure that the rules are
[4:25:56] followed but we have a number of rules
[4:25:58] here in addition to any rules that this
[4:26:01] board might request to be added as
[4:26:03] conditions of
[4:26:05] course the traffic impacts we think
[4:26:08] would be pretty minimal with this like I
[4:26:10] said the there's not a lot of traffic
[4:26:13] with the boat ramp associated with
[4:26:14] longpoint Estates um and um the other
[4:26:19] neighborhoods we don't Envision a a
[4:26:21] significant amount of traffic impact
[4:26:23] from
[4:26:26] this um I won't go can can I ask a
[4:26:30] question um you say you don't expect a
[4:26:34] significant traffic impact but looking
[4:26:37] at this um roughly uh. n10 AC lot that's
[4:26:46] gated
[4:26:48] how has there been any calculations or
[4:26:52] um I guess what I'm trying to get to is
[4:26:57] You' got 40 on any given day you've got
[4:27:01] 35 Lots in Greystone yeah yes and five
[4:27:07] from hammock watch because nine have
[4:27:10] their own boat slips that's my
[4:27:12] understanding so we're looking at
[4:27:14] 40 40
[4:27:17] units residents if they all one sunny
[4:27:21] day came and use this boat slip is there
[4:27:23] sufficient parking for their um vehicle
[4:27:28] and their trailer either inside that
[4:27:32] fenced area or along for the additional
[4:27:35] parking outside the fence without having
[4:27:38] to park along hu Road
[4:27:42] no ma'am there is not sufficient parking
[4:27:44] if everybody wants to use the facility
[4:27:46] at the same time that's that's pretty
[4:27:48] clear um it would be again it would be
[4:27:51] uncomon on us to have rules and
[4:27:52] regulations so
[4:27:55] that I think in the I would say the rare
[4:27:58] case when everybody is trying to use it
[4:28:02] and working under the assumption that
[4:28:04] everybody has a boat which I I don't
[4:28:06] think is the Assumption which is
[4:28:07] ludicrous I know but just bear with me
[4:28:10] yes ma'am is there any other places for
[4:28:13] overflow parking for this facility if
[4:28:16] you open it up to 40 more
[4:28:20] residents no no ma'am the parking is
[4:28:22] what's shown so I we don't want to
[4:28:25] misrepresent to the board in any way
[4:28:27] that if if
[4:28:29] everyone who has a pass if if approved
[4:28:32] has a pass wants to use the facility at
[4:28:35] the same time there's simply not enough
[4:28:36] parking there um I I won't speak for
[4:28:39] Greystone I understand there's a
[4:28:41] representative here may want to speak
[4:28:43] but from what I understand of Greystone
[4:28:45] for example I've been told that there's
[4:28:47] roughly 29 homes built out so there's
[4:28:50] still still a few empty lots there and
[4:28:52] roughly a third or so have boats or
[4:28:55] kayaks so I think that's probably I'm
[4:28:59] going to guess that's maybe fairly
[4:29:01] representative of a of your typical
[4:29:03] subdivision not everyone is going to
[4:29:05] have a boat um but a significant number
[4:29:08] will for sure um but um
[4:29:12] what is the capacity boat and vehicle
[4:29:15] and trailer in in this area both inside
[4:29:19] the gate and outside the gate looking
[4:29:22] back at my notes from the previous
[4:29:25] hearing um my understanding is within
[4:29:27] the
[4:29:28] gate for vehicles is roughly 20 to 22
[4:29:34] vehicles within the gate vehicle meaning
[4:29:37] the the motor vehicle and the trailer no
[4:29:41] ma'am that just just the vehicle outside
[4:29:43] of the gate my understanding is you
[4:29:46] could have roughly 12 trucks with
[4:29:50] trailers I don't know how that
[4:29:51] translates I'm going to maybe defer to
[4:29:53] my client and how they use this on an
[4:29:55] everyday use but to give you an idea and
[4:29:58] I'll go back to the aerial
[4:30:01] um you can see a vehicle parked there
[4:30:03] now I don't know if that I looks like
[4:30:06] it's showing a trailer on the I'd have
[4:30:08] to go closer to the screen to see but
[4:30:11] just to provide an idea of how much
[4:30:13] space is there now this I believe is
[4:30:15] showing a vehicle U white color vehicle
[4:30:19] on the spot now yeah Mr Pickles is I know Washington acres has been
[4:30:25] there for years
[4:30:27] but it looks significantly smaller and
[4:30:29] there's a lot more residents in
[4:30:31] Washington Acres how do they navigate
[4:30:33] that busy weekend yes sir Wonder uh
[4:30:36] again I my understanding is a lot more
[4:30:38] people can use Washington Acres boat
[4:30:40] ramp oh yeah that's my understanding so
[4:30:43] um but we would be required to keep the
[4:30:46] parking on site and if it was an an
[4:30:48] issue then you referen 10 vehicles in
[4:30:50] the gate because there's 10 boats going
[4:30:52] to be in the slips and they're just
[4:30:53] going to drive their vehicle down there
[4:30:54] not going to bring a trailer I know that
[4:30:57] yes or walk from their house yes sir yes
[4:30:59] sir yeah so but um to be clear there's
[4:31:02] not 40 parking spaces there's not enough
[4:31:05] room for everybody to be using it at one
[4:31:08] time uh but I I think the idea or the
[4:31:11] assumption is is that um on the vast
[4:31:14] majority of the days it's not going to
[4:31:16] be an issue with parking Fourth of July
[4:31:19] weekend that's probably going to be an
[4:31:21] issue that they'll have to accommodate
[4:31:22] and make rules and maybe not everyone
[4:31:24] can use it at the same time so um or
[4:31:28] busy summer weekend so that would
[4:31:30] certainly be something that we we would
[4:31:31] have to work through but I think other
[4:31:34] um facilities of a similar nature
[4:31:36] probably have to work through the same
[4:31:37] issues
[4:31:40] also so
[4:31:44] um me go back to so right so I again I
[4:31:49] don't know how many um lots are eligible
[4:31:51] to use the Washington
[4:31:53] Acres uh boat ramp but based upon my
[4:31:55] limited research I think it's
[4:31:57] significantly more than what we're
[4:31:58] proposing
[4:32:01] here
[4:32:03] um the other thing I wanted I did want
[4:32:06] to point this out just so we're clear
[4:32:08] I've got a handout and and I apologize
[4:32:10] that this did not make it into the
[4:32:11] PowerPoint but if I may
[4:32:14] um what we've got here and seeking just
[4:32:18] wanted to get clarification from my
[4:32:20] client what I what I've handed out is a
[4:32:22] is really a two-page
[4:32:25] handout and it's got yellow dots on it
[4:32:27] and red dots on it and the yellow dots
[4:32:32] represent the Lots within Long Point
[4:32:36] Estates that are sort of part of the HOA
[4:32:39] meaning they those 23 lots are are
[4:32:41] currently allowed to use the longo
[4:32:45] Estates boat
[4:32:46] ramp the red lot the red dotted
[4:32:50] lots and and this is where I may defer
[4:32:52] to the HOA attorney on this because I'm I'm trying to understand it the um
[4:32:56] the red dots are sort of you could say
[4:32:58] are in longpoint Estates or their deed
[4:33:00] may say they're in longpoint Estates but
[4:33:01] they're not part of the HOA and they're
[4:33:04] not they don't have the right to use the
[4:33:06] boat ramp the red dots the red dots yes
[4:33:09] ma'am so when you break down the number
[4:33:12] of users within Longo Estates that who
[4:33:14] I'm representing represented by the
[4:33:16] yellow dots those are the folks now that
[4:33:18] can use the boat ramp and my
[4:33:22] understanding is all the folks
[4:33:23] represented by a yellow dot they have a wet boat
[4:33:27] slip so
[4:33:29] um what we're asking the board to
[4:33:32] consider is to allow 40 additional sort
[4:33:36] of passes if you will from the two
[4:33:39] neighborhoods 40 maximum
[4:33:42] and it would allow that um the folks of
[4:33:47] Greystone and of long of hammock watch
[4:33:50] could utilize the boat ramp subject to
[4:33:53] the rules and any conditions that the
[4:33:55] board puts on that use and it would be
[4:33:59] um I think a a significant convenience
[4:34:02] to those neighborhoods it would help
[4:34:04] alleviate
[4:34:06] um traffic on 17 with folks going to the
[4:34:09] public boat ramp or to another boat ramp
[4:34:12] and again it's um something that
[4:34:16] um I think would be a beneficial to an
[4:34:19] under what is now a an underutilized
[4:34:23] facility I
[4:34:25] think I'm getting near the end of my
[4:34:28] slides talked about traffic I I won't
[4:34:32] talk too much about the comprehensive
[4:34:33] plan it's in the staff report but I'm
[4:34:35] glad to do
[4:34:36] so um I do sort of outline the special
[4:34:40] use permit criteria here but I know the
[4:34:42] board knows knows those criteria well uh
[4:34:45] special use permits for Community
[4:34:46] boating facilities are allowed in this
[4:34:48] District
[4:34:50] um the we would contend that this is
[4:34:53] consistent with the the area generally
[4:34:57] you really need to only look next door
[4:34:59] to Washington acres and you can see
[4:35:01] there's a fairly similar proposed use
[4:35:04] happening there now and what uh what we
[4:35:07] would be asking for would be similar
[4:35:09] with what you would see in coastal
[4:35:10] Pender County and res Nal post tender
[4:35:12] County with boat ramps and there's
[4:35:14] really not a lot of boat ramps available
[4:35:17] public or
[4:35:20] private um no new structures are
[4:35:23] proposed um subject to any the the rules
[4:35:27] that were proposing in any conditions we
[4:35:29] would have to comply with all applicable
[4:35:30] CA rules and
[4:35:32] regulations and that's that's goes
[4:35:35] without saying and then um we would we
[4:35:38] would ask the board to consider limiting
[4:35:41] or allowing ing additional 40 Lots
[4:35:43] within those two
[4:35:45] subdivisions
[4:35:47] and just to uh conclude the presentation
[4:35:50] I'll go I'm glad to go through any of
[4:35:52] the particular permits but again I'm I'm
[4:35:54] sorry any of the particular criteria but
[4:35:58] uh we would contend that the special use
[4:36:00] permit criteria are met and this is uh
[4:36:03] in some ways a modification to the
[4:36:05] existing special use permit for the
[4:36:06] community voting facility um to allow
[4:36:09] the uh expanded use and the ordin does
[4:36:12] allow under the Community voting
[4:36:13] facility for there to be sort of a an
[4:36:16] organization of I guess HOAs to um the
[4:36:21] way the definition is would allow you to
[4:36:23] consider this of course it's up to the
[4:36:26] board and um we would contend that there
[4:36:30] is sufficient parking for what we're
[4:36:34] proposing um in the vast majority of
[4:36:38] instances but like other uses I I do
[4:36:40] want to say that as I said before you
[4:36:42] could not Park everybody there at the
[4:36:44] same time um and then that would be
[4:36:46] something that we certainly would have
[4:36:47] to work around because we would be
[4:36:48] required to do that and not to be in
[4:36:51] violation of the special use permit um
[4:36:54] so that would be something we would have
[4:36:55] to address with either times of use or
[4:36:57] other rules and regulations to limit use
[4:36:59] on um busy
[4:37:03] days and um talked about the previous
[4:37:06] special use
[4:37:07] permit and then again it's uh we would
[4:37:11] respect contend that for the propo the
[4:37:14] scope of the proposed expansion that
[4:37:16] there would be sufficient area there to
[4:37:18] accommodate that um but of course we
[4:37:23] appreciate the board's consideration of
[4:37:25] that and we're certainly glad to
[4:37:28] uh listen to any comments questions
[4:37:31] concerns or additional conditions the
[4:37:32] board may want to
[4:37:35] consider uh I think I've said everything
[4:37:37] Mr chairman that I had intended to say I
[4:37:39] appreciate the board's time um I'm glad
[4:37:42] to answer any questions and I think
[4:37:43] there's some folks uh here to speak in
[4:37:46] favor of it from from Long Point is
[4:37:49] there any questions for the
[4:37:52] applicant not this time so I have one
[4:37:55] for Mr
[4:38:00] Justin so we've had a had a boat ramp
[4:38:03] that's had trouble with their erosion
[4:38:05] control um is that one of the conditions
[4:38:07] of this that they have to maintain the
[4:38:10] parking parking lot
[4:38:12] to a standard where the the runoff
[4:38:16] doesn't run into the creek kind of like
[4:38:19] you know one down the street we had
[4:38:21] problems with with their keeping their
[4:38:22] parking lot up with this much traffic
[4:38:25] it's going to cause wear and tear than
[4:38:27] what more than what they're used to now
[4:38:30] um can we put conditions on on
[4:38:33] maintaining that where it
[4:38:35] doesn't pollute the
[4:38:38] waterways I think so sir if the
[4:38:40] applicants willing to agreed to that yes
[4:38:45] sir yes sir uh that we don't want there
[4:38:49] to be any issues with that so certainly
[4:38:52] glad to agree a condition in that
[4:38:56] regard any other questions for staff as
[4:38:58] applicate I have a question for staff
[4:39:01] would it be appropriate to ask for a
[4:39:03] condition that the property owner shall
[4:39:06] ensure parking is controlled in such a
[4:39:09] manner that would preclude any OB
[4:39:11] construction to the roadway of fuse road
[4:39:15] that goes by it yes ma'am I think that
[4:39:17] would be appropriate and I think the
[4:39:19] applicant would agree thank you and just
[4:39:22] to be clear you know Hughes Road is a
[4:39:24] state road yes so that's not the
[4:39:26] applicant's property yes I understand
[4:39:28] that but they are responsible for the
[4:39:32] way that the vehicles are parked along
[4:39:35] the roadway easement to ensure that
[4:39:39] there's no um
[4:39:42] intrusion or intrusion onto the roadway
[4:39:45] itself that would cause an unsafe
[4:39:47] condition because you know as well as I
[4:39:49] do on Fourth of July weekend people are
[4:39:52] parking Every Which Way yes ma'am
[4:39:54] absolutely and that's that's my only
[4:39:56] concern and I don't know how they would
[4:39:59] wish to word the condition but just have
[4:40:02] a condition such that the
[4:40:04] homeowner um the property owner the
[4:40:06] homeowner group would be responsible for
[4:40:09] ensuring that there's no hazardous
[4:40:12] obstructions to traffic flow on Hughes
[4:40:14] Road at or near their
[4:40:17] property make an unsafe condition I
[4:40:19] think that would be reasonable thank
[4:40:25] you sign up Sir uh yes sir um Alton
[4:40:36] lavesque thank you Mr chairman and
[4:40:38] fellow board members to be able to speak
[4:40:40] with you tonight my name is Alton lak
[4:40:43] 655 Hughes Road Hamstead I'm here
[4:40:45] tonight uh in in opposition to this
[4:40:48] special use permit for we believe the
[4:40:51] longpoint board of directors does not
[4:40:53] have the authority to make this revision
[4:40:55] request due to restrictions on the deed
[4:40:58] I have a copy of the deed and I have
[4:40:59] some that I can provide to you exhibit a
[4:41:02] of the deed the last paragraph States
[4:41:04] the use of the boat ramp and Pier
[4:41:07] located on track B-1 and repairing area
[4:41:10] adjoining shall be restricted to the
[4:41:13] owners of the Lots in Long points
[4:41:15] Estates and the owners of boat slips
[4:41:18] parking spaces docks adjoining track B-2
[4:41:22] or those that may be added on or joining
[4:41:25] B-2 in the
[4:41:27] future we have Deeds as well and our
[4:41:30] Deeds have restrictions as well when
[4:41:32] Rober when Raven Hughes created all the
[4:41:34] he owned all that land he didn't want
[4:41:37] did not want an HOA to be able to come
[4:41:39] in and change the character of the prod
[4:41:41] property and so what he did is he wrote
[4:41:43] restrictions into the deed to prevent an
[4:41:46] HOA from overriding those restrictions
[4:41:48] they exist in their deed today I have
[4:41:51] restrictions in my Deed on who can use
[4:41:53] my boat ramp as well we all do and I'd
[4:41:55] like you to continue to honor that
[4:41:57] restriction in the V where do you live
[4:42:01] Hughes Road right up the street from the
[4:42:03] boat ramp okay so you are you a red dot
[4:42:06] or a yellow dot I didn't see any dots
[4:42:08] Wasington Wast Washington AC I'm
[4:42:11] Washington the Acres I'm I'm the boat
[4:42:13] ramp right next to it oh
[4:42:16] okay and longpoint state has the same
[4:42:19] this is Longo State's
[4:42:21] deed thank you
[4:42:23] appreciate this is this is the property
[4:42:26] in question that has the Restriction to
[4:42:28] only the own property owners with you I
[4:42:31] was
[4:42:32] just okay so you were you are not a Long
[4:42:38] Point no I'm not I'm not a Long Point I
[4:42:40] am a vested interest because I have
[4:42:43] access to the boat ramp adjacent to this
[4:42:45] property and I'm in negatively impacted
[4:42:48] as a result of this
[4:42:50] change yes
[4:42:53] ma'am out of being a Washington Acres
[4:42:56] resident you don't this is the weekends
[4:43:00] down there so that's parking on the side
[4:43:03] of the road correct that's and it's also
[4:43:06] they are they for the last few years
[4:43:07] they have been violating the community
[4:43:10] boating facility by selling permits
[4:43:13] conducting commercial operations on that
[4:43:15] ramp I would like I have a Facebook post
[4:43:18] where they have advertise that they are
[4:43:20] open for business they who long
[4:43:22] appointed States longpoint homeowners
[4:43:26] association yes
[4:43:28] ma'am if I may approach I can I can
[4:43:31] share that with you hand it to the clerk
[4:43:34] you wish oh pass it to us and if I and
[4:43:37] if I made read it this is well
[4:43:42] we'll Grant you a few extra seconds
[4:43:44] since
[4:43:45] you yes ma'am uh good morning this is
[4:43:48] dated December 19th 2021 Facebook good
[4:43:52] morning Happy New Year we received
[4:43:54] feedback that several folks are having
[4:43:55] challenges in receiving time responses
[4:43:57] and information for our HOA property
[4:44:00] management company called Joe go excuse
[4:44:02] me we sincerely apologize for the
[4:44:05] inconvenience and decided to step and
[4:44:07] assist directly with the process of ramp
[4:44:09] pass process if you are interest in
[4:44:11] retaining a boat ramp PR pass to our
[4:44:14] private Bo private ramp please feel free
[4:44:17] to send an email to longpoint estate's
[4:44:19] board of directors and it's their email
[4:44:20] there and then the next paragraph is
[4:44:22] Longo States will be offering for sale a
[4:44:25] very limited number of yearly passes to
[4:44:27] their private boat ramp LP offers this
[4:44:31] priv offers a private boat ramp with
[4:44:33] gated access leading to the icw you do
[4:44:36] not need to live in Washington acres to
[4:44:38] obtain a pass passes are first come
[4:44:41] first sered please contact the lp HOA
[4:44:44] property management company for more if
[4:44:47] you read paragraph 4 of the memorandum
[4:44:49] of understanding that's submitted the
[4:44:52] HOAs are not coming together longpoint
[4:44:55] Estates is selling individual licenses
[4:44:58] to
[4:44:59] individuals they are customers of long
[4:45:03] points Estates HOA they're trying to
[4:45:05] continue
[4:45:06] this thank you stepen Neil
[4:45:14] I'll be quick thank you for letting me
[4:45:16] to speak um in the event of Memorial Day
[4:45:19] uh Fourth of July Labor Day any weekend
[4:45:22] basically um it was mentioned before
[4:45:25] that in the event of overcrowding on the
[4:45:29] street um the only solution I heard was
[4:45:32] that the three HOAs will come together
[4:45:33] and figure out a solution and I don't
[4:45:37] think that is attainable it's not
[4:45:39] realistic and how do you coordinate
[4:45:42] something like that without people just
[4:45:43] arguing it's just going to cause a
[4:45:45] complete disaster so that's that's my
[4:45:48] point that's all I have to
[4:45:50] say Brian
[4:45:58] Moore good evening Brian Moore 145
[4:46:02] Circle Drive St I am part of the
[4:46:05] Washington Acres
[4:46:06] Community um I frequent the boat ramp
[4:46:08] probably once a week on average
[4:46:11] I know how the traffic is down there I
[4:46:14] um it gets
[4:46:16] busy it's it's doable but it gets very
[4:46:19] busy an additional 40 is going to make
[4:46:21] it a nuisance on top of that Greystone
[4:46:26] is 1.7 miles from the boat ramp and that
[4:46:29] 1.7 miles I believe there's 8 90° blind
[4:46:34] hand turns on a small road that is
[4:46:36] filled with
[4:46:39] children at
[4:46:41] in the huge road in front of the boat
[4:46:43] ramp there is nine children that live
[4:46:45] there it's very limited it's a very nice
[4:46:48] Community the extra traffic is going to
[4:46:51] be a problem somebody's going to get
[4:46:55] hurt I don't want to see
[4:46:58] that on top
[4:47:01] of all the traffic the nuisance that is
[4:47:05] going to cause they've also built nine
[4:47:07] ramps slips I'm sorry across our boat
[4:47:12] ramp well now the access is limited
[4:47:15] coming and going out of the ramps so to
[4:47:18] add an additional 40 more people coming
[4:47:20] and going out of the adjacent ramp on
[4:47:24] top of the large volume that we have it
[4:47:27] is it's going to be a challenge it's
[4:47:30] going to cause problems there's going to
[4:47:32] be
[4:47:34] incidences I don't know the solution but
[4:47:37] I don't believe we should add it until
[4:47:39] we can
[4:47:41] maybe work
[4:47:43] together but I don't believe that's an
[4:47:46] option either
[4:47:48] so huge safety factors in mind and I am
[4:47:52] thoroughly thoroughly against granting
[4:47:55] an additional
[4:47:57] 40 thank
[4:47:58] you thank
[4:48:01] you Paul pic
[4:48:11] board Paul piic 104 Circle Drive
[4:48:15] Washington
[4:48:16] Acres um we all want everybody to boat
[4:48:20] and commute and have fun on the water uh
[4:48:23] Saturdays is a major problem down at the
[4:48:25] boat
[4:48:26] ramps both of them mainly their ramp is
[4:48:30] underutilized I think our HOA approached
[4:48:32] them to try to use some of their parking
[4:48:34] I don't know what happened with that but
[4:48:37] there's parking all on the streets going
[4:48:39] on on Saturday Sun days holidays if we
[4:48:42] add another 40 people there or even 20
[4:48:45] it's going to cause some
[4:48:47] issues uh one of the things we do want
[4:48:49] to do is be friendly neighbors we just
[4:48:53] want everybody to abide by the Deeds
[4:48:55] that are written we have a unique
[4:48:58] situation with Washington Acres Long
[4:49:00] Point Estates they have Deeds written in
[4:49:03] there verbiage to prevent this and it's
[4:49:07] for a reason because it's a unique
[4:49:09] community
[4:49:11] I moved there for that reason deeded
[4:49:14] water
[4:49:15] rights it's Unique it's not Sloop point
[4:49:19] it's not another Marina where there's 50
[4:49:22] people waiting it's very nice it's a
[4:49:25] great thing to use we don't want it to
[4:49:27] be
[4:49:28] commercialized that's all I got can I
[4:49:30] yield my time to
[4:49:33] Alton not no sir no sir I'm sorry I
[4:49:36] tried
[4:49:39] buddy um Liam
[4:49:42] deor not sure and by the way I should
[4:49:44] have said earlier I mispronounce your
[4:49:46] name and is nothing
[4:49:49] personal I was impressed with that last
[4:49:52] one you said it yes good evening my name
[4:49:54] is Liam D I'm a resident in the
[4:49:56] Greystone Community was one of the early
[4:49:58] residents and moved in in
[4:50:00] 2010 uh the original developers of
[4:50:02] Greystone longpoint and hammock's watch
[4:50:06] um the Land Company of Pender um Jerry
[4:50:08] Reeves JW Fussell and and um David Greer
[4:50:13] had intended for the use of the boat
[4:50:16] round to be extended to just those three
[4:50:18] neighborhoods and it was all in place
[4:50:20] legally but for the exception of some
[4:50:23] paperwork that the attorney at the time
[4:50:25] James Brandon did not file with the bank
[4:50:28] um with which uh their developers had
[4:50:31] their mortgage that bank subsequently
[4:50:33] foreclosed and was assumed by another
[4:50:36] bank and we worked diligently the HOA
[4:50:38] myself and Mike Griffin at the time and
[4:50:40] he was was the president I was the
[4:50:41] secretary on the HOA board and uh
[4:50:44] fortunately we were unable to uh to work
[4:50:46] with the with with everything and the
[4:50:48] ownership reverted to longpoint Estates
[4:50:51] so what this current agreement is
[4:50:53] proposing is really a revision to the or
[4:50:57] version to the prior um intent of
[4:51:00] extending access to Greystone and
[4:51:02] hammock watch uh to the boat ramp during
[4:51:06] that original transaction the property
[4:51:08] was originally 3.21 Acres 21 Acres was
[4:51:11] carved off and sold or deeded to
[4:51:13] Washington Acres so their boat ramp
[4:51:16] actually includes some of the original
[4:51:17] property so their their um access has
[4:51:20] been improved through um prior
[4:51:23] transactions on this lot and that was
[4:51:25] around about 210 time frame I believe so
[4:51:29] that's that's just my point I think uh I
[4:51:31] think we're all cognizant of what's
[4:51:33] going on with traffic in the area but
[4:51:35] honestly with 40 extra um boats compared
[4:51:39] to or up to that many compared to how
[4:51:41] many people use was and Acres um it is a
[4:51:43] drop in the bucket compared to the
[4:51:45] property and it was also a part of the
[4:51:47] original intent of the development that
[4:51:49] we be extended
[4:51:51] access thank you thank
[4:51:54] you Lindsay
[4:52:01] Warren hello Lindsay Warren I live in
[4:52:03] Greystone 145 thoron Drive uh would
[4:52:06] appreciate consideration of our request
[4:52:09] uh just based on the history of the
[4:52:10] understanding that U you know we had
[4:52:12] access to use this knowing that that
[4:52:15] space is underutilized and the traffic
[4:52:17] concerns going into public boat ramps um
[4:52:20] we just feel like that you know it's a a definite you know advantage to
[4:52:25] be able to use it so close to our
[4:52:26] neighborhood so would appreciate the
[4:52:30] consideration Phil Cordo
[4:52:41] good evening my name is Phil poro I'm at
[4:52:43] 230 Thornton Drive in Greystone um just
[4:52:46] a couple comments I wanted to remind
[4:52:48] everyone that I think we get
[4:52:50] increasingly concerned about traffic on
[4:52:52] 17 and every trip that
[4:52:55] we're sending to the underutilized uh
[4:52:58] longpoint Estates boat ramp is one trip
[4:53:00] that were're taking off 17 because my
[4:53:02] family and myself and all the other
[4:53:03] users of of this boat ramp we currently
[4:53:05] using the Lewis Road boat ramp facility
[4:53:07] which I think we're all aware is next to
[4:53:10] Sloop point and it's very very heavily
[4:53:12] utilized so we're taking we're not
[4:53:14] creating any additional trips we're just
[4:53:16] taking them off of 17 and moving them
[4:53:19] onto a local Road within our community
[4:53:21] um the other thing is there's about a
[4:53:23] hundred uh Parcels within the Washington
[4:53:25] Acres neighborhood and as you can see
[4:53:27] their facility is actually about
[4:53:28] onethird the size of ours when you
[4:53:30] consider the total acreage and so if
[4:53:32] you've got a 100 homes using that that
[4:53:34] that's much smaller of a parcel versus
[4:53:37] only 40 on ours I I think think that U
[4:53:41] we need to think about the parking and
[4:53:43] you know whether or not maybe uh
[4:53:45] Washington acres is creating some of
[4:53:46] that traffic because again they have 100
[4:53:48] homes about 100 homes in their
[4:53:49] neighborhood versus only 40 that were
[4:53:51] asking to be on the uh longpoint Estates
[4:53:53] boat ramp and of course the ultimate um
[4:53:56] guide to parking is that you issue the
[4:53:58] passes on a first come first Sur basis
[4:54:00] so if we determine that you know the
[4:54:02] capacity of the boat ramp and the
[4:54:04] parking Etc is only you know let's say
[4:54:06] 25 then the first 25 you know permit
[4:54:08] hold or homeowners Within the group um
[4:54:11] that applied and they would just get
[4:54:12] first some first serve um permits and
[4:54:15] then the rest would have to wait until
[4:54:16] there is
[4:54:17] vacancies um other than that again we
[4:54:20] sincerely appreciate your consideration
[4:54:22] thank you so
[4:54:23] much coie
[4:54:35] Cordo hello my name is Coy Cordo and I'm
[4:54:38] representing the Greystone Community
[4:54:40] this
[4:54:40] evening I am a fisherman and a mother of
[4:54:43] a small child I own a 14t John
[4:54:47] Boat during this whole process I've been
[4:54:50] thinking a lot about the access and
[4:54:51] where you kind of get out into the water
[4:54:53] and at Safe Harbor going down to Lewis
[4:54:56] Road right beside slute point I tried it
[4:54:58] recently and it's like getting on an
[4:55:00] on-ramp an
[4:55:01] I95 I got ran over and it was very scary
[4:55:05] so I immediately turned the boat around
[4:55:07] put it back on the trailer and headed
[4:55:08] back home
[4:55:10] this access will obviously provide a lot
[4:55:12] of recreational value to myself and my
[4:55:15] family and the community and that's why
[4:55:17] we moved to Hamstead we came here to be
[4:55:21] on the water fish clam oystering
[4:55:24] following all the rules that are
[4:55:26] provided by the state of North Carolina
[4:55:28] and enjoying the water that is around
[4:55:31] us the folks that are here that are
[4:55:33] against this maybe being washed in acres
[4:55:36] um we ride by that boat ramp daily
[4:55:39] including Saturdays and Sundays
[4:55:42] frequently see traffic on the road
[4:55:45] because of the Washington Acres ramp Lao
[4:55:48] Marina is I've only seen it filled up
[4:55:51] one time so we're talking about 40
[4:55:54] permits that you know the own owners of
[4:55:56] the boat ramp and all of us being there
[4:55:57] at the same time I haven't seen it but
[4:56:00] one time in a few years so just kind of
[4:56:02] want to put that in context as well
[4:56:04] thank you for your time thank
[4:56:06] you um Daryl Collins
[4:56:23] good evening uh my name is Daryl Collins
[4:56:25] I live at the first house in Greystone
[4:56:28] can you speak up Sir my name is Daryl
[4:56:30] Collins I live at the first house in
[4:56:32] Greystone it's 18
[4:56:33] thoron uh when I first moved in um I
[4:56:37] want to start with this that that's been
[4:56:40] eating at me
[4:56:41] since literally since I got back from
[4:56:43] the trip when I first moved in the real
[4:56:46] estate agent promised me I'd have boat
[4:56:49] access and I when I found out that it
[4:56:52] wasn't deeded I went after that real
[4:56:54] estate agency and a lot of our
[4:56:56] homeowners have been promised that as
[4:56:58] well these communities were built by a
[4:57:01] group of Builders they were all built
[4:57:03] together for our access and through the
[4:57:06] time that I've been there since
[4:57:07] 2017 I've been using that boat r
[4:57:10] paying a nominal fee and everything
[4:57:12] seemed to be working out fine I have
[4:57:15] never and I have probably one of the
[4:57:17] biggest boats and I probably use it more
[4:57:19] than anybody here and I'm going to tell
[4:57:21] you I have never seen parking ever be a
[4:57:23] problem for us and anybody in Washington
[4:57:26] Acres that has any complaint about
[4:57:27] parking is complaining about
[4:57:30] themselves our community doesn't use up
[4:57:33] everything in Long Point we barely even
[4:57:35] I have never had to park outside the
[4:57:37] gate with my boat and trailer the
[4:57:39] outside parking is given to us when we
[4:57:43] had the rant passes for us to invite
[4:57:45] friends to park their individual cars
[4:57:47] there so they never even have a trailer
[4:57:49] behind them and there's there's a a good
[4:57:51] amount of distance between the main road
[4:57:53] and where the fence is where they pull
[4:57:55] up and and what I'm trying to say is
[4:57:58] that taking away our access for for
[4:58:00] boating rights does put us back on the
[4:58:02] water where we have to go to the state
[4:58:03] boat ramp I own a very big boat it costs
[4:58:06] a lot of gas if you're talking about
[4:58:08] environmental impact in General a lot of
[4:58:11] us are so upset about this that we're
[4:58:13] going to start looking for a different
[4:58:14] way to get another boat ramp built which
[4:58:16] means that's a big environmental impact
[4:58:19] I've talked to Jason already about it
[4:58:21] and he's told me about not messing with
[4:58:22] the seagrass everybody's really upset
[4:58:25] going down to the public boat ramp it's easily 12 to 14 miles Towing my
[4:58:32] boat putting my boat in driving my boat
[4:58:34] back down to the end of South topsil how
[4:58:36] much gas does that
[4:58:38] use when it when we talk about going to
[4:58:41] the boat ramp and our access us using
[4:58:44] our side of that ramp for all the years
[4:58:46] that I've been doing this I I take my
[4:58:49] boat down Washington Acres Road I don't
[4:58:51] go weaving through Hughes or any of the
[4:58:53] other roads to get there I have to
[4:58:55] partially because of how high up it is
[4:58:57] in the air but I have anyway just
[4:58:59] because the traffic going around the
[4:59:01] corners I am very concerned about
[4:59:02] everybody else in the community and kids
[4:59:04] playing but we have other things going
[4:59:06] on and I want to say that that this
[4:59:08] isn't something new every body here has
[4:59:11] been dealing and we have not the picture
[4:59:14] is showing all the cars parked outside
[4:59:16] there we haven't been using the boat
[4:59:18] ramp all this year so if those pictures
[4:59:19] were made this year that is Washington
[4:59:22] Acres parking out on those
[4:59:24] roads so thank you thank you Suzette
[4:59:32] Collins yeah I I we were just confirming
[4:59:35] that yeah I'm we're not done yet sir but
[4:59:37] yeah I'll go ahead and call you up now
[4:59:45] she's good evening Ben Molin 77 Thorton
[4:59:48] Drive um here tonight to voice my
[4:59:51] support for the permit I'm a resident
[4:59:53] property owner of the Greystone
[4:59:55] Community also an HOA board
[4:59:58] member um sharing of long points
[5:00:00] underutilized boat ramp is consistent
[5:00:03] with the original plans for these
[5:00:05] neighborhoods many of us have uh illeg
[5:00:08] ille illegitimate access stated on our
[5:00:10] Deeds we know it's not legal not legally
[5:00:13] binding three neighborhoods are sister
[5:00:16] neighborhoods originally developed by
[5:00:18] the same developer and they who intended
[5:00:20] for this access at that
[5:00:23] location um as my neighbor chip just
[5:00:25] mentioned those pictures that were shown
[5:00:28] were during the time that we were paying
[5:00:29] a nominal fee um I I believe this is all
[5:00:32] to get in compliance with the Udo um
[5:00:35] that was actually my truck in one of the
[5:00:36] pictures so that's a average US day
[5:00:39] Greystone it's 35 Lots 29 homes less
[5:00:43] than a third of us are boat owners and
[5:00:44] kayakers so you know a fraction of the
[5:00:46] 40 we do
[5:00:49] Traverse um you know talking about
[5:00:51] traffic we all drive and Traverse Center
[5:00:55] Drive Hugh Road Washington Acres Road
[5:00:58] daily we walk ride bikes have children
[5:01:03] um current water access is north on 17
[5:01:06] through the 210 and 17
[5:01:08] intersection um you know it's a 25
[5:01:11] minute drive without traffic couple
[5:01:14] hours on the weekends if
[5:01:16] so um so this permit will actually
[5:01:19] reduce boat traffic on
[5:01:21] 17 and the pressure on S Point Road
[5:01:24] which we know is pressured from all over
[5:01:26] the state I think we all have friends in
[5:01:27] Raleigh that come here on the weekends
[5:01:30] um so just yeah thank you for your time
[5:01:32] this evening and um considering this
[5:01:35] positive impact to our community thank
[5:01:38] you Terry
[5:01:48] Williams hi I'm Terry Williams I um have
[5:01:53] property on Washington Acres Road 11b
[5:01:55] we're in the process of building a home
[5:01:56] down here and um when we purchased
[5:02:00] property down here a couple of years ago
[5:02:03] that was the first thing that appealed
[5:02:04] to us was the marina area and the way
[5:02:08] that uh the boats were down there very
[5:02:10] picturesque it looked like a New England
[5:02:11] town almost it was so it was so Charming
[5:02:14] but the the the point I guess that
[5:02:18] someone made to me the other day and I'm a native North Carolinian and uh my
[5:02:22] grandmother used to come down here spot
[5:02:24] fishing so I mean you know it's kind of
[5:02:25] in my in my blood to uh to appreciate
[5:02:28] the the property down here and the land
[5:02:30] down here
[5:02:32] but that as as one person pointed out to
[5:02:35] me that Marina and those ramps down
[5:02:39] there people have been putting their
[5:02:40] boats down there for a long time okay
[5:02:43] they put some electronic Gates down
[5:02:45] there you know if years back but you
[5:02:48] know the precedents has been set and the
[5:02:51] boating community and the fishing
[5:02:52] Community they've been putting their
[5:02:54] boats in there for a very long time and
[5:02:56] this part of the tradition of Washington
[5:02:58] acres and the inter Coastal
[5:03:01] Waterway and I think when you start with
[5:03:04] a
[5:03:06] regulation and often times it's it's for
[5:03:09] the betterment of the community but then
[5:03:11] at the same time I think you need to
[5:03:13] temper that with your
[5:03:16] consideration of what your heritage of
[5:03:18] your community is and what the people
[5:03:20] are expecting you know as
[5:03:23] Citizens thank
[5:03:25] you Barry
[5:03:32] barber Barry barber 128 Circle Drive
[5:03:35] resident of Washington acres for over 30
[5:03:37] years um there's been some follow
[5:03:39] information spread about tonight about
[5:03:41] the developers of those communities I
[5:03:43] personally was a friend of Raymond
[5:03:45] Hughes who was the original developer of
[5:03:47] Washington acres and Longport Estates he
[5:03:50] developed both those communities and
[5:03:52] each one of them had a private boat ramp
[5:03:55] it's written it's not a homeowners
[5:03:56] association rule it's written into the
[5:03:59] deed legally in the deed those ramps are
[5:04:02] for the exclusive and sole use of
[5:04:04] members of those two subdivisions so I'm
[5:04:07] not even sure how this zoning question
[5:04:10] it's not even legal the these
[5:04:12] specifically States they cannot be used
[5:04:14] by anyone else so that eliminates one of
[5:04:18] the issues on your agenda the legality
[5:04:21] secondly we've talked about the
[5:04:23] commercial use these gentlemen are
[5:04:25] proposing to sell a number of slips the
[5:04:28] new communities do have no rights or
[5:04:30] rules they're simply selling passes if
[5:04:33] that's not a commercial application I'm
[5:04:34] not sure what is they've created a
[5:04:37] memorandum of understanding to kind of
[5:04:40] skirt that issue but the bottom line is
[5:04:42] longpoint Estates is simply selling
[5:04:44] passes to other communities for monetary
[5:04:47] value they're basically making a 100
[5:04:49] Grand a year or so from that so that's a
[5:04:51] commercial Enterprise which is also
[5:04:53] illegal in the community boat ramp
[5:04:55] standards that you've put up here
[5:04:57] tonight the the lady mentioned parking
[5:04:59] there's approximately 15 spaces for
[5:05:03] trucks and trailers that are in the long
[5:05:05] por estate's property it's that's that
[5:05:07] close maybe it's 16 maybe it's 14 but
[5:05:10] approximately 15 in that range so now
[5:05:12] you're proposing adding another 40 or so yes parking is going to be a problem
[5:05:20] I've heard people in the Greystone
[5:05:21] Community mention some unscrupulous
[5:05:23] developers that promised them rights and
[5:05:26] I know that's true I know that happened
[5:05:28] and I do feel for them that's that's
[5:05:30] wrong and it shouldn't have happened but
[5:05:31] that should not infringe upon the rights
[5:05:34] of the property rights of people who
[5:05:36] bought in good faith into communities
[5:05:38] expecting
[5:05:40] the restrictions in our Deeds to be
[5:05:41] honored the legal restrictions in the
[5:05:44] Deeds that's that's all we're talking
[5:05:46] about that should be the end of this
[5:05:48] it's not legal what they're asking so I
[5:05:51] do and I totally acknowledge voting
[5:05:53] access is a problem in Hamp it's a
[5:05:55] problem all up and down North Carolina
[5:05:58] that's why people who bought in
[5:05:59] Washington acres and bought in law en
[5:06:01] por states did that they we realized
[5:06:05] it's a exclusive Community with
[5:06:07] exclusive use of the ramp for MERS MERS
[5:06:09] of those communities only that's what we
[5:06:12] paid for that's what our Deeds say
[5:06:15] legally and I think that's what should
[5:06:18] be
[5:06:18] continued I'm not sure how it goes much
[5:06:21] beyond the legality of the deed everyone
[5:06:23] in Long Point Estates signed their deeds
[5:06:25] just like I did that's a legal contract
[5:06:27] they should be held to that contract
[5:06:30] just like I expect to be thank you thank
[5:06:33] you those are all the signups Mr
[5:06:35] chairman
[5:06:43] um yes
[5:06:53] sir the pleasure of the board he's been
[5:06:56] here the whole let him speak okay come
[5:06:59] up speak state your
[5:07:01] name will youorn sir sir yes sir sir I I
[5:07:06] just want to clear up a couple things
[5:07:07] not take much time thank you so much for
[5:07:09] allow me even though I didn't make the
[5:07:10] list uh original owner
[5:07:12] Greystone uh been some misconceptions I
[5:07:15] don't know if it's because people came
[5:07:17] in after the original gravestone or not
[5:07:20] here's the deal Builder used his own
[5:07:23] attorney attorney screwed up we got
[5:07:25] screwed out of our rights all we're
[5:07:27] doing and Longport Longo is the only one
[5:07:30] that can allow this to happen for
[5:07:32] clarification because the only reason
[5:07:34] they still have that and the bank
[5:07:36] doesn't is because it was deed to them
[5:07:38] and the bank couldn't take it from them
[5:07:40] we had a handshake agreement with Longo
[5:07:42] for years that allowed the original
[5:07:46] owners of two other subdivisions that
[5:07:49] lost their water rates to use that for a
[5:07:51] nominal fee for me I for years it was
[5:07:54] 350 bucks there has never been anybody
[5:07:58] to the best of my knowledge when I par
[5:08:00] there and I use it all the time parking
[5:08:03] on the road out there because we don't
[5:08:05] have to it's never full you go out there
[5:08:08] July 4th Memorial Day Labor Day never a
[5:08:11] problem so all we are asking from the
[5:08:14] board your mercy on this to correct a
[5:08:18] mistake the stroke of a pen that an
[5:08:20] attorney did not do to give us the same
[5:08:23] rights that we're entitled to that Long
[5:08:25] Point has and the other two divisions
[5:08:27] don't that's all we're asking for and
[5:08:30] praying for here is to not go through
[5:08:32] the BR race of the public
[5:08:35] rants because we lost the rights that
[5:08:38] we're entitled to our property values
[5:08:39] have already taken a hit we've already
[5:08:42] lost our water rights our property has
[5:08:44] taken a hit because of
[5:08:46] that and I'm sorry for y'all in
[5:08:49] Washington Acres we don't affect any of
[5:08:52] that y'all's
[5:08:54] people because Washington Washington I'm
[5:08:57] sorry Washington Acres people they don't
[5:09:00] sell enough passes you have to have a
[5:09:02] special pass Park IND the
[5:09:04] Gated the other people have to park on
[5:09:06] the
[5:09:08] road okay
[5:09:10] well the evidence is they got vast more
[5:09:13] houses than we got and vastly less land
[5:09:17] so you make your conclusion on who's
[5:09:19] parking on the road and who's not
[5:09:21] there's a picture you don't see but one
[5:09:24] truck parking on long
[5:09:26] pointed isal and the deed was legal when
[5:09:29] we signed the attorney messed up and
[5:09:32] didn't do his right we had we had to
[5:09:35] sign an agreement not to sue him as
[5:09:38] owners it's in the paperwork y'all can
[5:09:40] research it if you like I promise you
[5:09:43] thank you so much thank
[5:09:45] you D for sure
[5:09:48] now may I ask a question of attorney
[5:09:51] Nichols
[5:09:54] yes yes
[5:09:56] ma'am I just don't
[5:10:00] understand why
[5:10:02] does why are there so many people in
[5:10:06] Long Point Estates who were not members
[5:10:08] of HOA I asked the same thing that's why
[5:10:11] I asked Ellen wman to be here because I
[5:10:14] had a I I don't understand the
[5:10:16] background as to why some of the Lots my
[5:10:19] understanding is the way it was
[5:10:20] developed never became part of the
[5:10:23] covenants um so I I can't explain it um
[5:10:28] but that's how uh that's my
[5:10:30] understanding of the current state of
[5:10:31] affairs that there's a number of locks
[5:10:34] that just aren't part of the HOA or
[5:10:36] they're not they don't I don't I don't
[5:10:39] think they pay dues I don't think
[5:10:41] they're part of the
[5:10:43] covenants uh but um I did want to answer
[5:10:47] that question but but I wanted to add
[5:10:48] something at the appropriate time but thank you for providing this because
[5:10:52] it shows that roughly half of Long Point
[5:10:56] acres does not have water access or at
[5:11:00] least is not a member of the
[5:11:03] HOA yes ma'am now some of course some of
[5:11:06] those folks are on the water so they may
[5:11:08] have a peer or they have the ability to
[5:11:09] have a pier and in which case I don't
[5:11:11] know that they really need the boat ramp
[5:11:13] but yes ma'am I I didn't understand it
[5:11:16] myself and like I said was figuring it
[5:11:18] out today and didn't get a chance to put
[5:11:20] that in the presentation but from what I
[5:11:22] understand that's that accurate
[5:11:24] 23 23 HOA lots have access to the boat
[5:11:29] RAM and that's similar up the street Old
[5:11:32] Point Old Point Property Owners that
[5:11:34] have property adjacent to the water do
[5:11:37] not have deed access to to the what is
[5:11:40] Harbor Village jock club marina they
[5:11:42] don't have DED access to because they're
[5:11:43] on the water because they're on the
[5:11:44] water there's only three of these Lots
[5:11:46] looking at this map that that are on the
[5:11:49] water that don't have access or don't
[5:11:51] have rights to the boat why those three
[5:11:53] I don't know yeah there's more than that
[5:11:56] Mr chairman three four five six these
[5:12:00] this is this is water here yeah that was
[5:12:02] that water there that's not water yeah
[5:12:05] the end of the creek is right there
[5:12:06] that's his property oh
[5:12:10] M Mr chairman may I add something it's
[5:12:13] speak with my client and hearing the
[5:12:14] comments we we would like to reduce the
[5:12:17] request from 40 passes to 25 I was
[5:12:20] fixing to ask that question because in
[5:12:22] the original presentation wasn't it a
[5:12:24] much less
[5:12:26] number I remember reading 20 or 25
[5:12:29] somewhere in the past I I don't recall
[5:12:32] Mr chairman on this particular item but
[5:12:34] I would say that um from what I
[5:12:37] understand
[5:12:39] my from my client we likely wouldn't
[5:12:41] even sell the 40 I say sell I mean
[5:12:45] provide for the
[5:12:47] um um provide for the other
[5:12:51] neighborhoods a the 40 the 40 passes so
[5:12:56] the 25 is is a more reasonable number it
[5:13:00] also significantly lessens the uh impact
[5:13:04] on
[5:13:05] parking uh it's probably about a 35%
[5:13:08] reduction 40 to to 25 would be about a
[5:13:11] 35%
[5:13:12] reduction um and um like I said the the
[5:13:18] a number of the Lots in
[5:13:21] um hammock watch they have the wet slips
[5:13:25] and from what I understand from the
[5:13:28] Greystone um folks not everyone has a has a boat anyway um and as far as
[5:13:36] the issue of um this is not a we would
[5:13:41] respectfully contend this is not a
[5:13:42] commercial use in the sense of um it's
[5:13:47] not open to the public it would be very
[5:13:50] limited and of course there has to be a dues or a fee associated with that
[5:13:57] there's costs associated with it there's
[5:13:59] Insurance there's upkeep there's
[5:14:02] maintenance there's you're expanding you
[5:14:05] would be expanding the scope of it so
[5:14:08] yes there would be
[5:14:10] a monetary component to it but that's
[5:14:13] true of any HOA with dues and that sort
[5:14:17] of thing so
[5:14:20] um but the idea is not to have a it's
[5:14:24] not to have a commercial boat ramp there
[5:14:26] it's to accommodate these two other
[5:14:29] neighborhoods that otherwise are not
[5:14:32] going to have access to a boat ramp and
[5:14:34] we think it would benefit them it would
[5:14:37] benefit us in the sense that we could
[5:14:39] make better use of the ramp and also
[5:14:42] plan for maintenance upkeep and just
[5:14:46] allow better use of it and you heard
[5:14:48] some of the testimony about um
[5:14:51] historical or customary use but um in
[5:14:55] any event we we understand and realize
[5:14:57] that the the only use Allowed by that
[5:14:59] ramp
[5:15:00] today is by the Long Point Estates
[5:15:04] owners the only board that can expand
[5:15:07] that is this board and so that that's
[5:15:09] why we're here asking for this board's
[5:15:11] consideration can we C are we can we be
[5:15:15] allowed or are we allowed to expand in a
[5:15:18] limited capacity to allow these two
[5:15:20] other neighborhoods to make limited use
[5:15:22] of it um and we think there's there
[5:15:24] would be a lot of benefit to that so we
[5:15:27] appreciate the U the the time and
[5:15:29] consideration of the request does the
[5:15:32] 23 residents in Longo do they pay will
[5:15:36] they pay the same fee
[5:15:39] if you want to call it a fee or
[5:15:42] registration as the ones from the other
[5:15:44] two
[5:15:46] subdivisions I would have to ask my
[5:15:48] client but I I
[5:15:52] don't it's theirs are like the I guess
[5:15:55] you would say the HOA dues so this would
[5:15:57] be boat ramp boat ramp passholder dues I
[5:16:01] guess is how you would characterize it
[5:16:03] but it wouldn't be they wouldn't be
[5:16:04] paying the same amount as a lot owner in
[5:16:07] Long Point
[5:16:09] their is it monthly or annual or
[5:16:12] quarterly pay annual dues so it's not a portion of that dues goes
[5:16:16] towards the bank the the boat ramp
[5:16:19] maintenance I assume now I I believe it
[5:16:21] would have to I mean to make it not look
[5:16:23] like a commercial no organization I
[5:16:26] would think you would need to charge
[5:16:26] everybody the same price I mean that's
[5:16:29] just my okay I I don't know if anyone
[5:16:32] from the HOA would like to to speak to
[5:16:34] any of those issues
[5:16:35] but sure this is the president of the of
[5:16:38] the Long Point States HOA is he
[5:16:41] considered pardon is he considered
[5:16:43] applicant yeah okay CH you just
[5:16:47] introduce yourself yeah good evening I'm
[5:16:49] Chad Willis currently the president of
[5:16:51] the HOA at Long Point Estates um first
[5:16:54] of all Aon 10 is not to create problems
[5:16:57] by doing this it's not completely
[5:16:59] arbitrary that it's Greystone and
[5:17:02] hammock watch because we understand even
[5:17:04] though we weren't part of
[5:17:06] that there's some bad history there and we feel like that they're the folks
[5:17:12] if we're going to extend this offer
[5:17:14] that's where it should go the last thing
[5:17:16] we want to do is create traffic problems
[5:17:18] and and because we live there as well we
[5:17:21] just are underutilized we have some
[5:17:24] excess capacity and we'd like to help
[5:17:26] some of the following surrounding
[5:17:30] communities um I think 25 passes if you
[5:17:33] did the math of the number of people in
[5:17:34] hammock's watch and the number of lots
[5:17:36] in Greystone and you Factor some
[5:17:39] percentage that don't have boats against
[5:17:42] the people who hammocks watch you don't
[5:17:45] they have their own boat slips like we
[5:17:47] do it's just 25 I don't know that we'd
[5:17:50] sell 25 passes but we do sell them and
[5:17:54] we say sell we do that because we have
[5:17:58] couple hundred feet of Bulkhead we have
[5:18:00] docks we have the ramp we have upkeep of those two acres approximately it's a very whatever we charge it will
[5:18:11] be a fair number and it's not decided at
[5:18:14] this point this is something that the
[5:18:15] whole board has to
[5:18:16] discuss as far as I get the question why
[5:18:19] wouldn't you charge the same thing or a
[5:18:23] pra amount for the upkeep of the
[5:18:27] facilities to keep it from seeming as if
[5:18:31] this is a um uh a a profit Enterprise
[5:18:37] right well there is a res res erve
[5:18:39] factor that comes in in the event of a
[5:18:40] storm of course none of those facilities
[5:18:42] are insured you know if hurricane comes
[5:18:45] through we we hope to build up a reserve
[5:18:47] to cover that
[5:18:49] contingency um we do pay annual HOA dues
[5:18:52] it's it's it's in in the event of
[5:18:57] shortfalls we would be
[5:18:59] assessed not a regularly
[5:19:01] scheduled HOA due we would have a
[5:19:04] special assessment to all of the owners
[5:19:06] in longpoint Estates and only longpoint
[5:19:08] Estates not just other communities the
[5:19:10] HOA boat ramp
[5:19:14] do it's it's not broken out we we
[5:19:17] pay we pay one annual
[5:19:21] HOA homeowners fee if what I'm saying is
[5:19:25] if that doesn't cover the upkeep on
[5:19:27] these facilities or damage to those
[5:19:30] facilities because as Matt mentioned
[5:19:32] earlier we're responsible for that that
[5:19:34] would we would pay that out of pocket by
[5:19:36] way of a special assessment
[5:19:39] so would your current structure if you
[5:19:41] charged $1,000 a year say for each
[5:19:44] resident Lo how much of that thousand is
[5:19:46] set
[5:19:47] aside for the maintenance for the grass
[5:19:50] keeping the upkeep of the fence upkeep
[5:19:51] of the docks
[5:19:53] currently right now it goes into a
[5:19:55] general fund but that's something that
[5:19:57] we could be more than willing to listen
[5:20:01] to suggestions if that if you're what I
[5:20:04] think you're getting at is you would
[5:20:05] like to see some some or all of those
[5:20:07] fees be dedicated to that boting
[5:20:10] facility right now it looks like you're
[5:20:12] maintain you're going to be maintaining
[5:20:14] your boat ramp off of the the
[5:20:18] memberships or whatever you want to call
[5:20:19] it that you're selling to the to the or building your reserves and I I'm kind
[5:20:25] of like our chair here it would be way
[5:20:28] more palpable to
[5:20:30] me
[5:20:32] if as you say you you have sympathy for
[5:20:37] the gray watch and and the other
[5:20:39] community that you feel may have been
[5:20:41] built out of some rights if they were
[5:20:44] being charged and or assessed the same
[5:20:48] amount uh as your um the res as your
[5:20:53] homeowners otherwise if you're just
[5:20:55] selling it access for a some certain why
[5:20:59] are you limiting it to gry watch you
[5:21:02] know why wouldn't people in burgal have
[5:21:05] an opportunity to access this
[5:21:07] opportunity for the Vates do you see
[5:21:09] what I'm saying I I do I mean it's
[5:21:11] proximity and history I mean and I'm
[5:21:14] just playing The Devil's Advocate by
[5:21:16] saying that but but you know unless if
[5:21:20] we're trying to get away from it being a
[5:21:22] money-making proposition and and and
[5:21:25] then too I I don't really understand in
[5:21:28] light of this Facebook advertisement
[5:21:32] that appears to be a
[5:21:35] solicitation for for s ing uh boat ramp
[5:21:40] access how many of these are
[5:21:44] outstanding and if
[5:21:47] 25 additional members to this Longo HOA
[5:21:52] are permitted does that preclude anybody
[5:21:56] that had previously purchased and
[5:22:00] currently holds access to this boat
[5:22:04] rra that
[5:22:06] was we are not
[5:22:09] currently well we're not currently
[5:22:12] selling passes that that's we haven't s
[5:22:15] how many people I guess maybe I should
[5:22:17] ask this how many people outside of
[5:22:21] Longo
[5:22:23] HOA currently have access to use the
[5:22:27] boat rep having paid an
[5:22:30] amount Z zero different from what your
[5:22:34] homeowners zero okay all right so what
[5:22:38] was this all about that's
[5:22:39] from when I when it came to my attention
[5:22:42] 2021 December 2021 and
[5:22:46] 2023 uh when it came to my attention
[5:22:49] that the ramp was being used by members
[5:22:53] other than longpoint Estates I told them
[5:22:55] to stop doing that it's not allowed and
[5:22:58] my understanding is they stopped doing
[5:23:00] it which would have been it's I can't
[5:23:04] hear really hey can we keep it down in
[5:23:06] the audience please and and do and I've represented longpoint Estates
[5:23:12] on a very limited basis really since the
[5:23:15] I was before you all in 20123 for the
[5:23:18] expansion um in the context of
[5:23:21] representing them when I learned about
[5:23:24] the others I guess historically using
[5:23:27] the
[5:23:27] ramp I said you can't do that under the
[5:23:30] Pender County zoning ordinance you need
[5:23:32] to stop doing that and my understanding
[5:23:34] is they stopped doing it so correct me
[5:23:36] if I'm wrong they haven't had anybody do
[5:23:38] it
[5:23:39] since I don't know I'm not sure when we
[5:23:42] haven't probably haven't collected any
[5:23:46] fees I I hate to say I may give you bad
[5:23:49] information but I suspect it it was the
[5:23:52] beginning
[5:23:53] of
[5:23:56] 2023 maybe and as soon as we were
[5:24:00] informed that this is not it's not legal
[5:24:04] U we stopped and we had informed
[5:24:05] everybody that wouldn't be selling
[5:24:07] passes until we had a opportunity to
[5:24:10] come before you and hopefully get the
[5:24:13] blessing to do that again um so soon as
[5:24:17] we found out that we were not compliant
[5:24:20] we stopped and I'd have to say we we we
[5:24:24] get calls daily about when can we do it
[5:24:28] again and we just have to tell them we
[5:24:30] don't know and and that's really why
[5:24:33] we're here to see if the board will
[5:24:35] allow the use by others to resume under
[5:24:40] this at this point if it was allowed by
[5:24:42] the board I would say the benefit of it
[5:24:44] is there would be a special use permit
[5:24:46] in place which would be a clear
[5:24:48] enforcable framework with conditions
[5:24:52] that that would set out all the
[5:24:54] parameters in which case we would ask
[5:24:56] for simply 25 additional how how can you
[5:24:59] ask for 25 when you're limiting access
[5:25:02] to a specific
[5:25:05] group I.E gray St Stone and watch what is it which may have more folks
[5:25:16] than
[5:25:17] 25 um and I'd like to ask Trey a
[5:25:21] question I would assume you do a lottery
[5:25:23] how would you how would you determine 25 first come
[5:25:27] first serve or lottery or I don't have I think the fair thing to do would be to
[5:25:32] look back at the folks that had passes
[5:25:36] in the past and offer it to them I I
[5:25:39] don't I don't
[5:25:41] think how how would that work when in
[5:25:44] fact the folks that had passes in the
[5:25:47] past some were not part of Greystone and
[5:25:50] hammock watch yeah that only those that
[5:25:53] were in Greystone or hammock watch we we
[5:25:56] the only pass holders that we would have
[5:25:59] would be from those two communities we
[5:26:01] don't we don't think or know that we'll
[5:26:04] even have 25 folks step up as but for
[5:26:07] the reasons we pointed out earlier
[5:26:08] hammock watch has a total of I think
[5:26:11] five folks that don't have direct water
[5:26:13] access and I don't know that all five
[5:26:15] have a boat and then the Greystone
[5:26:17] Community 29 develop Lots out of
[5:26:21] 35
[5:26:23] um I'm just guessing but I don't know
[5:26:26] that we would have 20 of those that
[5:26:28] would want be interested in the pass so
[5:26:30] but that those are the only
[5:26:32] two you would really need to have an
[5:26:35] opportunity to allow them
[5:26:40] yes uh the the 25 was is really just to
[5:26:46] have a look at it and we we're fairly
[5:26:49] certain that 40 would not be a parking
[5:26:51] problem but 25 if it a lays any concerns
[5:26:55] with surrounding communities um if we
[5:26:59] had excess of 25 that wanted them we
[5:27:02] wouldn't be able to sell those it would
[5:27:04] be on a on a lottery basis as I believe
[5:27:07] the chairman mentioned
[5:27:09] um Mr Nichols can I ask you a question
[5:27:12] ma'am we've heard from Washington Acres
[5:27:16] residents who have deeded exclusive
[5:27:19] water
[5:27:20] rights what is the situation with the um
[5:27:25] Long
[5:27:26] Point
[5:27:28] um
[5:27:30] Deeds I don't States I don't know that
[5:27:33] deed was brought are there deeded
[5:27:35] exclusive water rights
[5:27:39] well I that deed was brought to my
[5:27:43] attention now I'm talking about anybody
[5:27:45] that has a yellow dot on this exhibit
[5:27:49] that has access to this boat dock do
[5:27:53] they have
[5:27:55] exed
[5:27:57] exclusive
[5:28:00] rights well to this boat doc as members
[5:28:04] of the longpoint Estates HOA they have
[5:28:07] access to the Long Point Estates
[5:28:10] ho
[5:28:12] deed as do the folks in Washington
[5:28:17] AC does the Long Point
[5:28:21] Estates homeowners that that are yellow
[5:28:25] does their deed specify that they have
[5:28:30] exclusive rights to utilize that boat
[5:28:34] slip sir I'm not talking to you really
[5:28:38] truly I'm not and I'm tired of the
[5:28:41] chatter Comm commissioner Newton I do
[5:28:44] not know the answer to that question I'm
[5:28:46] going to ask if perhaps Ellen do you
[5:28:48] know the answer to that question as to
[5:28:50] how the how those deeds actually read in
[5:28:52] Long Point
[5:28:54] or come up to the mic please man' and
[5:28:57] because the thing concerns me from a
[5:29:01] legal perspective if in fact that Clause
[5:29:05] exists in the long Point EST States
[5:29:10] Deeds how what right would we have then
[5:29:14] to go forward and say okay irregardless
[5:29:18] of what these deeds and any irregardless
[5:29:21] of this exclusive nature of these water
[5:29:24] rights in this community go ahead open
[5:29:26] the door
[5:29:28] see so I think what you're referring to
[5:29:31] if I'm correct is the individual Deeds
[5:29:33] of the individual lot owners yes okay
[5:29:35] and so I my recollection of what those
[5:29:38] say is some of them give them individual
[5:29:42] assignments of boat slips but none of
[5:29:45] them talk about the boat ramp so they give them membership in the HOA
[5:29:53] itself and then the HOA itself owns that
[5:29:57] real property to which that boat ramp is
[5:30:00] attached or sits on and then some of
[5:30:03] them were given deed boat slip access
[5:30:07] which has been a separate topic of much
[5:30:09] discussion amongst the community about
[5:30:11] whether that's legal or not um but
[5:30:13] whoever drafted up those deeds did give
[5:30:15] them some specific boat slip assignments
[5:30:19] and the exclusive use of certain boat
[5:30:23] slips but I have not reviewed any Deeds
[5:30:26] I've not reviewed all of them obviously
[5:30:28] there are a lot of them but I've have
[5:30:30] not reviewed any Deeds that specifically
[5:30:32] give them exclusive use of the boat ramp
[5:30:36] so just for example and uh I'm not going
[5:30:38] to get too far further down in the weeds
[5:30:42] but these property owners in Longo
[5:30:45] Estates that have are on the water that
[5:30:49] are the red dots they're red dots
[5:30:52] because they have a boat slit on their
[5:30:56] property I don't know why they are red
[5:30:58] dots um there are my understanding is
[5:31:02] four Waterfront lots that have boat
[5:31:05] slips or docks on their own property
[5:31:08] that are individual docs okay um but
[5:31:11] what I've seen when I've gone back
[5:31:13] through all their HOA documents is there
[5:31:16] were plat Maps recorded there was an
[5:31:18] original declaration recorded annexing a
[5:31:21] the first few Lots into longpoint
[5:31:23] Estates and then the annexation kind of
[5:31:26] went two Lots at a time one lot at a
[5:31:29] time and it was no longer the developer
[5:31:32] annexing Lots into the HOA but rather
[5:31:35] the individual property owners who had
[5:31:37] purchased the Lots from the developer I
[5:31:40] believe that coincided with the bank
[5:31:42] foreclosure and other things that
[5:31:45] happened and I just don't believe that
[5:31:47] the HOA fully
[5:31:50] developed um as the neighborhood was
[5:31:53] developing so it it became a situation
[5:31:56] where after a certain period of time
[5:31:58] what you see is certain Lots voluntarily
[5:32:01] joining the HOA and voluntarily becoming
[5:32:04] annexed into the HOA but there was not a
[5:32:07] m
[5:32:08] PUD type scheme where the entire
[5:32:11] neighborhood was put into an HOA like
[5:32:14] you would see today if and you know
[5:32:16] developer came and applied for that
[5:32:18] right to do so so it's it is very
[5:32:21] confusing but we've got 23 Lots within
[5:32:24] the HOA again of those 19 have slips in
[5:32:29] community boating facilities and four
[5:32:32] have slips on attached to individual
[5:32:35] peers that come off their waterfront
[5:32:37] property
[5:32:38] so when everything that you just said to
[5:32:42] us you're referring to longpoint
[5:32:46] Estates yes as distinguished and
[5:32:50] distinct from Washington Acres property
[5:32:54] owners who have deeded exclusive
[5:32:58] rights yes and I believe the the
[5:33:00] discussion about the exclusive rights
[5:33:02] had to do with the common area itself
[5:33:04] not the individual Lots owned by the
[5:33:07] individuals within longpoint
[5:33:12] Estates thank
[5:33:18] you one more
[5:33:21] question this
[5:33:23] work uh I I trust your um legal
[5:33:27] Acuity having had many cases with you in
[5:33:31] the past do you see any
[5:33:34] reason uh that we couldn't allow this
[5:33:39] legally I do not um if anything I I
[5:33:42] think it's a totally separate issue but
[5:33:44] I do not see any reason why the special
[5:33:46] use permit could not be approved as been
[5:33:50] applied for with respect to longpoint
[5:33:52] Estates and having heard Washington
[5:33:55] Acres uh Property Owners uh talk about
[5:33:59] their deeds and their deed restrictions
[5:34:01] and their exclusive rights that doesn't
[5:34:03] in any way impact this homeowners
[5:34:07] association on Long Point I don't I
[5:34:09] don't believe it does to the extent that
[5:34:11] again what Longo Estates is asking for
[5:34:14] is a special use permit for its
[5:34:15] Community voting facility now whether or
[5:34:19] not Washington acres has an issue with
[5:34:22] longpoint Estates head-to-head on some
[5:34:25] other issues you know I don't know I
[5:34:27] have not investigated the validity of
[5:34:29] that I I didn't mean to put you on the
[5:34:31] spot that's okay but certainly you've
[5:34:34] had more opportunity to review um the
[5:34:38] documents and deed restrictions then certainly we have so thank you
[5:34:42] thank
[5:34:46] you any other questions comments for the
[5:34:49] applicant or
[5:34:51] staff if not
[5:34:55] s do we have a motion
[5:34:58] for to deny
[5:35:08] I um just got some discussion I'm trying
[5:35:10] to wrap my head around
[5:35:12] this that's a pretty significant amount
[5:35:15] of property when compared to the other
[5:35:16] boat
[5:35:18] ramp I just
[5:35:21] don't I'm struggling
[5:35:24] with that private
[5:35:27] property and the owners of that private
[5:35:29] property not being able to do what they
[5:35:31] want to with it and with a reasonable
[5:35:33] means
[5:35:36] um you know if it if I was a part of the
[5:35:39] Long Point folks and I wanted to have a
[5:35:41] limited amount of um users to use
[5:35:45] that I mean I why should that be the
[5:35:48] government telling telling people I I
[5:35:51] just don't I have a problem with that
[5:35:56] um I understand both sides I do but uh
[5:36:00] and I understand the the the difficult
[5:36:03] the
[5:36:05] difficulty of boat access in pend County
[5:36:07] I wish there was some more public ramps
[5:36:09] too I've used slop point I use rights
[5:36:12] full Beach a lot but I have to do it at
[5:36:13] 4:00 in the
[5:36:14] morning
[5:36:16] um
[5:36:19] but I'm trying to the thing about it
[5:36:22] with me
[5:36:24] is Washington acres has been using
[5:36:26] theirs for years and has significantly
[5:36:29] less property and I can't recall of any
[5:36:32] major
[5:36:33] problems that they've had
[5:36:40] I I would be in favor of a very limited
[5:36:42] amount of usage from The Long Point
[5:36:46] side I
[5:36:49] mean I don't even know why we're here
[5:36:52] talking about that I mean I'm I I like
[5:36:54] the idea of private property owners
[5:36:56] being able to do what they want to
[5:36:58] within the guidelines of not causing
[5:37:01] pollution or anything like that but um
[5:37:08] I would move I would uh make a motion to
[5:37:10] move for
[5:37:12] approval we how are we talking about 25
[5:37:16] are we talking about that's what I was
[5:37:17] getting ready to say stipulation of a
[5:37:19] limited amount of usage not I mean not
[5:37:23] to go over certain amount and then it
[5:37:24] begs the question how are you going to
[5:37:27] enforce that with the parking stickers I
[5:37:30] would I would imagine now how would you
[5:37:31] enforce it if 40 of them go park because
[5:37:35] we can't enforce that private property
[5:37:38] so that's that's the other
[5:37:41] question the only time that can be
[5:37:43] enforced the sheriff can enforce it and
[5:37:44] Highway Patrol can enforce it when
[5:37:46] they're on the public RightWay Trey is
[5:37:49] that correct if they're on the public
[5:37:50] right impeding traffic they can be to
[5:37:53] yes
[5:37:53] sir I mean private property couldn't we
[5:37:57] task the homeowners association with the
[5:38:01] responsibility of ensuring no
[5:38:04] obstruction to have that diligence and
[5:38:07] doing that and that would be that would
[5:38:09] be in play
[5:38:11] automatically it should yeah it should
[5:38:13] be we we well that's not at the here
[5:38:16] tonight yeah well it's not at the public
[5:38:17] boat R it's called Sloop Point them poor
[5:38:19] folks that live along slute Point Road
[5:38:21] are catching it yeah but
[5:38:24] um so so my only my only condition was
[5:38:26] the one about the upkeep of grounds yeah
[5:38:29] well I I would definitely be in favor of
[5:38:31] that and and making sure that there's
[5:38:33] no you know the erosion controls there
[5:38:36] and things like like that you would I
[5:38:38] mean nobody wants to pollute the Estuary
[5:38:41] there I use the Waterway as much as
[5:38:43] anybody in this room and uh I try to be
[5:38:45] a good Steward of
[5:38:47] it
[5:38:50] but if it's not being utilized and a
[5:38:53] private body wants to be able to little
[5:38:55] let a some limited folks utilize it I
[5:38:59] mean I think that should be up to
[5:39:01] them and I'll second that
[5:39:04] motion Mr with the stipulation of a
[5:39:06] limited amount of 25 or less or how you
[5:39:10] know no not
[5:39:12] over maybe
[5:39:14] 25 um Mr chairman if I may I do have
[5:39:17] some language I've drafted up and I
[5:39:19] think Daniel might have some as well um
[5:39:22] we can take this one at a time so the
[5:39:25] language I have and feel free to provide
[5:39:27] any feedback or request any corrections
[5:39:30] um owner to ensure precautions are taken
[5:39:33] to minimize erosion and runoff and
[5:39:36] related impacts to public trust
[5:39:39] Waters is that in line with your
[5:39:41] intention Mr
[5:39:43] George is that language satisfactory yes
[5:39:47] okay sounds perfect and then the other
[5:39:51] condition um for commissioner Newton
[5:39:54] owner to ensure no obstructions to
[5:39:57] traffic movements along Hughes
[5:40:02] Road just just for one more just for
[5:40:06] discussion one of the other issues we
[5:40:07] had at at a previous spot was
[5:40:12] lighting is there lighting I didn't even
[5:40:14] think to ask is there Lighting on this I
[5:40:17] didn't I couldn't tell in the
[5:40:31] pictures the issue at the other facility
[5:40:34] I'm talking about with a special use
[5:40:35] permit is lighting over into a private
[5:40:39] homeowner yeah so I don't know that we need to make that a condition maybe
[5:40:44] from the future may become a problem the
[5:40:48] homeowner will come and
[5:40:51] complain I I like those two um but I
[5:40:55] think that we're going to get in trouble
[5:40:57] if we
[5:40:58] start really confining it to a number
[5:41:02] because if you say 25 and you've got 32
[5:41:06] people
[5:41:08] in gray gry stone and then the whatever
[5:41:12] the watch Community what's the name of
[5:41:15] hammock watch what hammock watch hammock
[5:41:18] watch if if you've only got five in
[5:41:21] Hammock
[5:41:22] watch and uh how many did we say in
[5:41:28] Greystone had 35
[5:41:31] Lots so we're really only looking at
[5:41:34] four I don't know why we C count three
[5:41:37] potential in Long Point that has well I
[5:41:40] think Mr Nichols was I think the HOA and
[5:41:45] the and the the applicant was willing to
[5:41:47] work with the community I do think that
[5:41:49] so yeah and I think it was their intent
[5:41:52] to to make whole gray watch and hammock
[5:41:57] um gry Stone and hammock watch
[5:42:00] so you know I whatever limitations they
[5:42:04] want to put on it I would certainly say
[5:42:06] that that would
[5:42:08] be the folks that should be allowed
[5:42:15] access if that's what I
[5:42:22] heard so so now your turn again would
[5:42:28] you like to restate that motion all
[5:42:31] that well yeah I'll just I'll restate
[5:42:33] the motion to put forward um with the
[5:42:38] stipulations that staff has
[5:42:41] added he's got a yeah he's com up
[5:42:44] with and Mr Burton you would you could
[5:42:46] also say the conditions um the standard
[5:42:49] special use permit conditions yeah in
[5:42:52] addition
[5:42:55] yeah I I
[5:43:00] still I'd hate to see a hundred people
[5:43:02] getting access you know what I mean i'
[5:43:05] I'd still like to see something with you
[5:43:08] have that correct you have the limited I I do I have limited to 25 written down
[5:43:13] okay but we can certainly Workshop that
[5:43:15] now if you like do with
[5:43:17] that so limited to 25 users external to
[5:43:20] the that that the applicant has agreed
[5:43:22] to publicly right so but are we talking
[5:43:27] about 25 users from Greystone or the
[5:43:31] first 25 the first
[5:43:33] 2 they do that I think that's up to them
[5:43:36] how they talking about so just to so I
[5:43:38] just want to clarify something to that
[5:43:40] point so in terms of the use of the pro
[5:43:43] the proposed use here in the continued
[5:43:45] use here is a community boating facility
[5:43:46] so it has to be within the purview of
[5:43:48] that Collective Owners Group which we
[5:43:50] have the memorandum of understanding for
[5:43:51] those two communities so we could say
[5:43:53] limited to
[5:43:55] 25 within those two communities in
[5:43:58] addition to Long
[5:44:00] Point that sounds fine wouldn't
[5:44:02] it I I just don't think it's fair when
[5:44:05] we're so close if there's three or four
[5:44:08] more that wanted
[5:44:10] access yeah from gray gray rock you got
[5:44:14] start somewhere I think I mean yeah if
[5:44:17] they're satisfied with that the
[5:44:18] applicant satisfied with 25 then then
[5:44:22] that's
[5:44:28] it I think we close
[5:44:31] that is
[5:44:33] that want to speak to the numbers MD we
[5:44:37] have a motion on the table we' already
[5:44:39] started that all right so are we
[5:44:42] restating the motion he's he's restated
[5:44:45] it I've restated it as staff has
[5:44:49] written and he's got it in there for the
[5:44:51] 25 okay I think that's reasonable I'll
[5:44:56] second it all those in favor raise your
[5:44:58] right hand any
[5:45:04] opposed I'm surprised you're still here
[5:45:07] I thought you thank you
[5:45:11] everyone it
[5:45:22] passes so real quick
[5:45:26] um I got an email while we were in close
[5:45:29] session that people are getting their
[5:45:32] and this will become a big issue you
[5:45:33] hadn't been through this yet but it's
[5:45:34] going fix it to people are getting their
[5:45:37] way letter with no stickers in there and
[5:45:40] they're calling the tax office and the
[5:45:41] tax office is send them the utilities
[5:45:43] and utilities is send them to Susan the
[5:45:45] Su tell them they all got to go to or
[5:45:46] somebody's telling them they all got to
[5:45:47] go to Hamad to get them so we went
[5:45:50] through this last year was a nightmare
[5:45:51] with stickers was terrible it was
[5:46:05] terrible for