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we're uh convening health and Recreation
committee because um we started a
discussion about um pool fees and rules
um I had given out um fees and and rules
from several
different uh
city city I I I sent I gave you guys Aly
Troy Colony gildin Muna and Glenville uh
to look over um at our last meeting but
it was just so much information that we
decided that we were just going to have
to take it home and read a lot of it and
then get back together um
I what you have in front of you is a
draft what I did was I took the
information that Mr lefon gave us which
was on the existing signage at Central
Park uh regarding the rules uh that are
posted there there's only a few of them
posted I sent you guys those those
photos um so I those are in here but I
also then looked at the other all those
other paper those papers and just pulled
things that I thought were important um
but obviously this was just my first
stab um so that we'd have something to
discuss um so obviously I don't and and
the other thing I want to state is that
again um we made it clear that whatever
we talk about would not be going into
effect until the summer of 2025 cor
especially since this pool is was uh
about to close down for the summer in a
couple of weeks at least um the other
thing we talked about was that
everything should be uniform across all
of our city pools um so so that's that's
all I have that I'm giving to you um so
you can see that these are the hours
this is so the hours that I'm giving you
are for Central Park um the capacity is
for Central Park
um my thought is that we would not
charge city of connect residents any fee
to get into the
pool do you need do you need no I I I
thought I made copies for everybody of
just things that I oh that you had that
I have but I we can make copies if you
want well no no I can as we're talking I
can okay so do you think are we any
agreement that um residents would be
free I'm in agreement residents should
be free at this
okay Joe I know you're not on this
committee but just in terms of your
input yeah I think I would support the
residence for f okay and then at least
you know until the next time we look
over it okay um yeah cuz we I mean we
have we're obviously way ahead of the
curve I mean the only thing that I would
say is that we do want to make sure that
we have a discussion before the budget
gets passed because if we have to come
up with new signage which we will um
then that needs to get incorporated into
the city budget request but I don't I
don't think it's a huge lift I mean it's
only you know it's not that many pools
it's not you know those signs I don't
think are that we' only need like you
know a few signs it's not like did the
other um proposals you receed did they
charge
residents some
some family charges Colony no um palisa
no but guests I don't know if we had
um Glenville had uh where was Glenville
pool Mohawk River Park and pool is that
that is Glenville right not yeah I
wasn't you know they had a pool out
there so they they have a fob that they
that you can go and get a fog right so
they charge a resent if you show up with
no fog they charge $2 I'm going I can
give you this to look at um well colony
is resident restricted and I I think so
is um miss yuno that it's only residence
and tent there is a charge uh family
pass of
$125 so there are there are yeah and
then they down at it also say for
residents are $5 for adults and $3 go
down a little bit further on that Maxine
Maxine that's because those were my
suggest prices next to as
well
here's yeah so so here's a here's a few
of
those
hi um yeah so this was just me abely
open putting things out there so as far
as the hours I would like to see them
12: to 6 not only Saturday and Sunday
but forever not forever um just said
12:30 right I wonder why that is that
it's 12:30 one day and 12:00 the other
days Saturdays and Sundays um I don't
know since the poison the Girls Club you
know take care of the lifeguarding I
just thought it would be nice to
be Universal throughout um I guess 6:30
I mean either or but as long as they're
Monday through you know the same
hours I think for I mean I can at least
speak to Central Park on Sundays I think
one of the reasons that it closes
earlier is because music aen starts at
7:00 so they were concerned about
parking issues for music a um to have
the earlier time but we could always go
12:00 to 6:00 I I don't know I just kind
of likeed at 6:30 is you know you got
parents coming home from work um you
know maybe you want the pool close they
get the kids up on their way home they
want to go home and have dinner I I I
don't know I just thought it should be
Universal yeah know that makes that
makes sense it makes signage easier it
makes rules easier when you have things
the same so what about um you had
mentioned before are is this something
that we're responsible to do or I'm
hearing out jury's out um the city
council it sounds like according to um
president pfield the city council would
be able to set
fees um but not necessarily the rules
but what I explained to her was that I
thought that she called me the other day
um that we could at least make
recommendations about new rules right
because I fees and she said we couldn't
set fees I I thought that's what she
said at our our meeting we we normally
set fees we do everything okay so the
fees we can do but the U pool
rules she said we couldn't do um but I
said I'm still having the meeting
because I think we we should have a
voice and we should have input into
recommendations that we could at least
pass pass on to who well right now we
don't have a Parks director so right now
um the parks director did report to Mr
leond um so I would hope that if we have
a new parks director uh coming on board
that um it would be still under Mr Leon
so or just to Mr lefon what we think is
appropriate yeah that's what I think we
could make the recommendations
to the mayor and the
mayor good I just want to clarify that
that's a good point let me just write
that
down I just think Universal times either
you know 12
to I I will say that I've been remiss in
that I have not looked at what is stated
or is in place for on Front Street or um
quack and Bush so Quack and
Bush so I would have to do that but
again I think we're way way ahead of the
curve here I mean in terms of you know
it's just it's just the idea of making
sure that there's money in the budget
for
signage is the only
uh do we so uh do we
know the process of they keep track of
who comes and who's the city resident
who's not so if we had to look at it we
would know they they do um check
identification at the entrance but again
that's a whole another Topic in terms of
you know did we want
to we we actually touched on this as a
council at one of our previous meetings
recently where we talked about um some
sort of ID and one of the suggestions
that I think the mayor made was that um
the school district does issue IDs to
its students so um you know we could use
we to talk with them think Mr Carle said
they were collected at the end of the
year the school IDs so we'd have to talk
with the school district and see if
there's a way to piggy back on some sort
of ID that way for the kids but I
actually like the idea of a recreational
pass of some sort um the issue would be
that people would well what we would do
I'm just brainstorming here but what we
would do is we'd set up tables outside
the pools um before the pools were going
to be open and we would publicize that
you know you want to come and get your
ID we could also like for example piggy
back with um the summer lunch program or
something like that where we're making
sure that the sheriff's fingerprinting
which is all over this summer the unity
cups things like that Summer's already
started but yeah so we'd have so it
would be an expense I'm sure it would be
um but again I think um the mayor
mentioned that that last I think it was
a committee meeting um that he didn't
see it being a huge expense to um like
to see like what's at your doctor's
office where you give them your name and
your picture pops up so that you know
who's going to lose their lanyard right
their P the right iPads or something
that right that they that they check do
do they
yeah well that's something to consider
but um I I just looked at Front Street
briefly and it's it's 12 to 600 closed
every day closed on
Sunday so well we wouldn't want to do
that with
the other two the other two um pools are
closed on Sunday oh they are qu and Bush
also yeah pardon me Quack and bushes y
so the only one um open on on the
weekends is Central Park on Sunday y
I've gotten an email
from individuals saying they didn't want
the you know the neighborhood pool
should be open you know it's hard for
them to get to whever that's why I know
they were both
closed I don't know why they would be
closed on Sunday they to
you Staffing maybe I don't know well
yeah I mean so that would be another
budgetary piece is that if we decided
that we wanted all three pools open on
Sundays uh as well then we would have to
pay for additional Staffing through the
boys and girls club for
that so do are you ready like in other
words in terms of that would we like to
see all all the I would like to see
neighborhood
126 um Monday through Sunday y all
neighborhood
pools as well as the city
for
okay all right your next um as far as
about lap swim Monday through Friday 8
to 9: of course I'd also like a senior
swim and as well where where seniors can
just go in the LA is for the lap Lanes
um with eventually some type of water
arobics but um and I'm wondering why
it's 8 to9 I I guess I would like to see
it maybe 10:30 to 12 or or 11 to 12 I
think we have to ask that question right
um mov it closer to the actual starting
time it might be maybe they were trying
to be able to have people go to work not
seniors but I mean regular adults I mean
other adults oh the right the the adult
lap swim yes but I I to throw a senior
in there like the adult lap you would
kind of think like when when we could go
to the high school it was like 6:00 a.m.
before school opened I know um so that's
that's you know probably the earliest
time you know but I'm I'm thinking the
you know uh I would like a
senior swim um maybe 1030 they don't
have to be in a lap they could do the
aerobics or something like that
so maybe 10 10:30 to 11:30 let's say
right before the before the uh I think
that's kind of important um lot of
seniors been asking for it um there used
to be the the the swim club at the
Romana that was huge and then when that
closed down um everybody went to the
high school I went there for years and
in the high school you know you can't go
there any longer I Dr Cotto said you
it's open again but I think so too but I
I haven't gotten anything it's really I
did it through the why at one point the
YMCA had taken over that's how if you
were a YMCA member you could go to the
span the high school pool and they did
do water robics and that thing I like it
was not um the environment wasn't great
in the locker rooms um so I sto I
stopped doing that um but but so that's
something I I think that's very
important since it's a city pool you may
as well get every age group to use it I
think that's a great idea um so so I
actually probably should look at I
should try to get the capacity for
quacken Bush and Front Street just so we
have everything on one and and if it
needs to be yeah 12:30 to 6:30 I guess
but like you say music Haven as well it
wouldn't be able to be till 6:30 on
Sundays in Central Park so I like the
idea of 126 um I don't think it matters
and again they're home earlier yeah I
think that's fine adults in the house
but so if we're adding um I did not put
you'll see like on some of those other
forms that I gave you out that there is
sometimes a discount for
seniors um well seniors would be free
yep in in Nuna seniors well yeah they'd
be free if they were residents
right okay so we could stick with the
reason I said adults um if you look down
at my fees here where I say guests of
city of connecting residents which was
one of the rules that I saw so you know
we I think we should limit guests um of
residents and I was saying no more than
three so then therefore a guest of a
resident would be $10 for an adult or $6
for a children these are just my great
and I just had a suggestion of five and
three I saw somebody else had that like
it's it's hard to to put an amount of
guests on there because
then you know there's the three of us
there with our three kids just say so
that's 12 people and then we each have
three guests
so 21
people you know and there's lines over
there so that's why I was limiting it
are you suggesting limiting it less than
three I am per day yeah and I thought
the cost and I'll tell you my reasoning
for the cost because um if I don't live
in SC but I come and watch my
grandchildren um every day and those
three are free but I have to pay $10 a
day you know that's $50 a week that I
have to pay to watch my grandchildren in
the pool so I that's why I and and I as
a revenue Source I mean we need to pay
for that's why I know chose the 10 was
just because the cost of of the pool and
trying to bring in some Revenue if we're
going to be free and then I thought that
the children could be $3 versus five
again you know I'm a grandmother I pick
up my other two grandchildren from colon
you know so now I'm 10 you know how
about a compromise of like five and
eight I don't know $8 for I mean again
we we the fees would have to come in
front of the council oh yeah definitely
we could yeah so so we have so we can
give a few different recommendations to
council we could say 10 and six we could
say five and three and three go seven
and four or seven and and and so for
guests they must be guests compan by
connected res yes that will cut down on
the lines I mean again we did want to
have some data given to us we asked for
some data we didn't know that right 1 2
3 we wanted zip codes actually we did
ask for that yeah um so I'll have to
follow up with Paul not couldn't strict
r
yeah we wanted to get data that they've
already collected um and the in terms of
um how many people they have been seeing
what the lines have been like but um in
the zip code data okay cuz they have
been taking that in we did ask for that
um you know 09 we would worry about 03
and 06 but we could tell by the street
address whether they were resents or not
right right they were supposed to have
that to
well we'll have to remind St upon so 10
and six 5 and three other numbers to
throw
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seven and seven and four
yeah Joe what's your feeling on those
anything again these are for guests but
still right it as dorine said it could
be a grandparent bringing out of town
kids 7 and
four okay so if we do the 5 and three
the 10 and six and the 7 and four we'll
make that presentation too
um the rest of like three guests
per I think
that's okay it seems reasonable to me to
not go more than three I don't even know
three people to bring but I'm
just I'm just you know bring a bus for
and the whole thing is if there's a
parent you know bringing the neighbor
kids you know they're all residents
anyway so these would just be all
non-residents all right okay so I'm I'm
okay with three I don't know if I want
three Joe you okay with three yeah okay
so and before we get to your pool rules
so last um Wednesday St caterie they've
been walking over for years summer camp
mhm and so um Ella was all excited was
her last day of summer camp normally
their field trips are on Friday I'm
sitting at home and I'm icing and I'm
thinking how they can I get in the pool
nobody's got an IDE nobody has anything
so I drove over and um they had just
gotten there the two different groups
the older group of and the young group
was over in the playground so I talked
to Miss Stein horse and she said well
for years they' go to pool they'd walk
over but the uh couple of the graduates
were always lifeguards there so they
would always let them in mhm so I said
and there were probably maybe 40
students from 4 years old up to 11 the
oldest was 11 so I I I did text Shane
and he texted Julie and so Julie Julie
said not to worry you know just have
them talk to me on the way in but moving
forward yeah um so and now you've got I
I think um the older group had three
chaperons with them and the younger
group had you know whole bunch of
grandparents because they were
younger and um you know a few teachers
who all had
IDs
but and you know Miss steinhart said to
me you know 95% of these kids are
connected I said that I understand as
well so that was just a little well no I
think that's a really good point and I
hadn't thought of it and I haven't seen
it on any of the other pool pools from
the other towns have bust $30 oh yeah
there is that there is that but you know
so that's an interesting we could have
another category of groups like camps I
mean it's going to be summertime so we
we figure out the heading um but there
could be a group fee um that would
include up to X number of chaperon for
example I mean we maybe we should think
about that but how would we do
it we either have to charge a group of
fee right even though some of them might
be residents or most of them might be
residents right but it could also be a
different time of the day it could be
like 10:00 it could be well we just said
10:30 to whatever we just said for the
um seniors but we could
say well she she did mention she knows
that you know it's busier
earlier in the summer so they wanted to
wait till almost the last week to make
it easier on us and you know not and but
just bring the younger ones into the
splash pad to make it easier on us but
you know parents were like well I want
my kids to go on a pool so you know what
I mean so she did make it easy you know
want to make it easier on on how you
know controlling everything but it could
also be you know and everyone knows
their students at their camp and they
could always give a list of you know 30
resident students 10 non-resident
students that are paying $3 to enter or
we could have a flat fee for a group
because the interesting thing is and the
reason I like this though is think about
it like for example the YMCA does their
summer camp at Jerry barell um I'm just
saying it's not just the you're going to
have the like St cats or you know other
places like that just summer camps yeah
just summer camps in general but I mean
I mean obviously like The JCC they have
cool so their camps are all taken care
of but there might be other
organizations out there that run there
might be Bible camps for example
different at different
churches it might be a good Revenue
Source in other words and even I mean I
could see that it would be it could be
something where it was like every I
think about the YMCA Jerry Burell like
they might very well want to go every
week have um a time that they take the
kids swimming they have a splash pack um
you know I'm just thinking like the post
like events if somebody wanted to rent
it with a certain cost you got the and
then you got the oh my goodness I know
certain that would be like after hours
would have to be after hours but then
we'd have to get the lifeguards and that
kind of thing good good thinking the
park is huge asset to this community I'm
going to put that down as something to
think about future oriented but I mean
the whole group thing I haven't given it
any thought so I think we a group of
seniors rham seniors want to come yeah
it's a great idea we I think we'd have
to probably uh do some digging around
and some thinking rather than trying to
figure that out right now but I that
came off in in Shan you know again Julie
helped out and everybody walked away
happy so okay actually Shane would be
somebody we probably should have come to
this come to a meeting or I don't know
the other jul she's the program director
yeah she runs the the
pool all the pool yeah supervises the
lifeguards
okay this a good reason why we're
meeting so early in the year before
summer of
2025 I think that's a really looking at
I think that's a really good um so after
our rentals groups and inviting Julie to
another meeting is something we should
do at a at a future meeting so now can
we turn our attention to the rules for a
moment y yep we're it's only 5:00 so we
still have some time
here so do you want to look at these
before we talk about them since I just
gave this out to you
but um I I like everything and then
under driver's license we would also
include New York state non-d driver's
license
noning Li yeah because people who don't
drive go to motor vehicle and get a a
passport or green card as
well okay I didn't even think of that
that's
great okay I mean I think the whole fog
thing is too much for us right now I I
think so too I I think I you know I I
don't know anything about I don't know
much about uh software programs but um I
do
know a mom trying to take care of six F
six FS or six I or you know um just give
a name boom yeah and photo comes up um I
agree but again I don't know the cost
involved in that versus a so you know
when I think of
the um
the sheriff's department when they do
the
um when they fingerprint you or whatever
and they take your picture and that's
there it's a program that they have you
know I don't know but we have the
capability of doing something like that
not as far as the fingerprints but
working that programing yeah well I mean
again that's something like they did do
something they did something um over the
weekend at the pool I can't remember
what it was now but I mean inviting the
sheriff's department to come to the pool
oh yes they been yeah yeah is a good
thing good thing we're just finishing up
a prior meeting but you're welcome to
you're welcome to stay totally welcome
to stay
um okay so everything else in that first
statement does that sound I kind of I
mean we have to check with the school
district about the IDS again but
that lifeguards I was fine with
that yep again I still have the concern
which I mentioned at our last meeting
you'll see okay look at the next one
this is actually this is actually on the
current rules two or more adults 18
years or older must be present at the
pool when the pool is in use with at
least one adult on the pool deck the
question is are those city employees or
did that just mean no I thought it was
the child right except that I know I I
didn't quite I think that has to get
clarified right um what that is on our
think it can be two two or more adults
must be present at the pool with at
least one adult on the pool deck meaning
that one of them might be inside the
water with their
kid um I didn't quite understand that by
the way I put anything that was already
existing on the on the signs at Central
Park I put in here just so that we can
talk about it um I didn't really
understand that one no I didn't either
so okay this R was on the second sign
that one is on the C sign so I would
assume they're not employees it's a
format for the public but so that raises
a question though I I raised this last
time which is that we're basically
putting a lot onto these lifeguards who
are
teenagers when you think about the fact
that we are going to be asking them to
enforce rules
like no smoking I'm just making that you
know but I'm just saying I mean again
that's a question for Julie from the
Boys and Girls Club but it is it is
asking a lot from teenage
employees um they are going to have to
be the people enforcing these unless we
have an adult that is a city
employee uh at the there there are two
policemen there every day I know police
officers so I guess my fear is unfounded
cu the left guards can basically the
police it's a topic that I think needs
some more discussion I I think I think
things need to be monitored as far as
the restrooms the changing
areas um
I think our teenage employees actually
do do that they have to go in I mean
they have to go in and make sure that
the toilet paper and all that kind of
stuff is again that's something we can
find from Julie what their what their
what their duties are responsibilities
okay so we're all good with number two
lifeguards so the authorities have
right number three we have questions we
need clarification on number three okay
now
this one seems to make sense to me
children under if they're not considered
an adult I think they have to be
accompanied by an adult but and then
it's confusing because that 16-year-old
who's that 18-year-old and the one above
it well see that's where um again I had
to look looking at the other pools in
the area in our region um that's why I
picked that I know great so should it
all be 16 or should it be
18 if that 18 even applies to people
swimming not I don't know I I got to
until I know more the 18 thing that that
I mean he's got two parents home or two
adults during the day to go with a
14-year-old not a lot of so on number
three what do you think that year should
be or should it I think we can just need
clarification on it I mean maybe maybe
that refers to the LIF guards there
there could be one 16-year-old but one
18-year-old oh that's true that's true
that's why I wasn't sure if they were
city employees okay actually I'm going
to pull up the photos that uh Paul sent
us
um oops that's how you spell his name um
Paul Paul I think or someone did have a
a concern um well last time we spoke
about it about a 16-year-old you know
with a parent even 14y olds right you
know who's going to want to hang out
with their Guardian parent um an adult
Grandma at 14 years old so did you
notice anything El I mean that's the
sign that's there now did you notice
anything else as far as an
age I did not need it let me see
here this is going to sound pretty funny
but I well that I'll get to I'll get to
it in a second when we get to that next
one but um I'm looking at the existing
sign the existing sign that one's on the
existing sign two or more adults 18
years or older must be present present
at the pool when the pool is in use with
at least one adult on the pool deck
children less than 16 years these are
all you know let's just check those off
so that one the next one the children
less than
16 well I I I think we you even talked
about you know you had a 16
should be able to
attend the pool on their
own
um I I forget we we kind of passed that
around last time as far as an age limit
maybe 14year
old I don't see I look through a lot of
the cool information you said I didn't
find
anything Aly said
children under the age of 13 must be
accompanied by
an I don't have Aly for some reason
didn't say Albany it just said it looks
like this I knew it was ALB cuz I
printed it off there so I I mean I think
we're going to redo this sign bring it
down to at least 13 and 14 person for
children less than yeah 13 and 14 I'm
okay with 13 or 14 which one do you like
better again we're just making
recommendations 1 okay Joe you okay with
that
sure now the next one is wicked
important as far as I'm concerned the
swim
diapers they need and I know they're
expensive I know so but we could figure
that out also because maybe we make sure
that there's some swim diapers on hand I
don't know I'm just saying if we had
to but I mean we cannot let people with
regular diapers into the pool I
mean so if they're not trained I mean
the the risk of having and I think there
are um uh racks that are you know
appropriate um they the
RS I think
um they this one this I thought was
confusing but Albany said children under
the age of three or not fully toilet
drained must be wearing a swim diaper
with the swimsuit or rubber pants right
over the top of the swim diaper then it
said regular diapers are not designed
for use in water which I definitely new
um I think that's very
important I I I don't like Colony also
requires the swim diapers Troy by the
way their pools basically were closed so
that's why there's so little information
from Troy having a lot of
issues getting them to reopen see
and this is uh
gildin they children in the age of five
they have to have life jackets by the
way I did not I don't think I put that
in there um I didn't no but I do see a
lot of kids with the with the swimming
what that Buckle in the back this this
has appropriate swim attire where's the
thing
about they didn't even put anything in
there about diapers I mean they they do
make a three-piece swimming diaper PES
for seven 96 for three pieces which are
I I knew my my granddaughter had them
they're more like just a wrap or
something so um maybe swimming swimming
diaper pants or swimming diapers yeah
which are a lot more
inexpensive than these I mean again we
could also see if there'd be something
like a skincity shares kind of thing or
something where somebody might do a S
diaper dry that we would have on hand at
the pool so that if there really was
somebody that couldn't afford the swim
diaper I know but I think it needs to
stay in there okay all right
um and my next one is send are no
smoking chewing oh yeah what about the
the appropriate swimwear made sense to
me too yes you know okay so now the no
diving shallow water that's on our signs
now and that absolutely makes sense I
mean obviously you don't want that for
you know you don't want somebody to hurt
themselves then this one I actually
changed the language because but no
running horse play running on the pool
deck or foul language is allowed okay no
toys flotation devices and so in other
words they're talking about we're
talking about floats there which would
obviously take up a lot of room masks
fins or and it hies the child a safety
feature
right oh this is the one that I thought
was funny so on our sign right
now you're going to laugh because I do
have my graduate degree but I did not
know what this word was I had to look it
up
expectorating you guys know what
expectorating is Hawkers yeah yeah
that's what it says on our sign at the
pool I didn't actually know what that
was so I was just questioning whether
somebody in fourth grade might know what
that was but um maybe they do so I
changed it to spitting good um but it's
no urinating discharge of fecal matter
spitting or nose blowing in the pool
that's basically on almost every other
pool in the region right no smoking I
added chewing tobacco I mean I added
vaping oh good
one that way there and that means
whether it's uh marijuana or tobacco
well I said no alcohol well I said or
use of illegal drugs but you do know Al
it's a Federate well no but right now we
already have no smoking at all in any of
our Parks it
doesn't it's not uh necessarily enforced
but um that that's already a rule in the
park so I feel like it's fine to say
this no glass containers
obviously the no coolers I had a little
bit of an issue
with I mean if you wanted to like come
and have a picnic or you know be with
your family for your children I think
the thing is that they must have to go
outside the pool area in other words
there's stuff outside the cool area
they'd be able to get back in but I I
think it's tough I I mean I guess we'd
have to have the cooler so inspected on
their way in
yeah so should we take out no coolers or
and we could add a line of all coolers
we have to think about that yes okay
well let's think about it because I I'm
always packing
lunches always did for my girls yeah no
I mean it it it seems natural to me and
I have I have a big problem with that um
ice cream truck being out there every
day every day you know how do you say
but you have to say know your children
you got three kids you got one kid I
mean every day that that ice cream truck
is parked right in front so I don't know
what it's permit inails it don't on city
streets but I don't think it's
appropriate you know I think they do
Stein Mets Park pretty pretty much also
I think the a lot of course you know
because they you know yeah um I do know
my daughter told me that in Cara they do
have affordable options for dollar menu
options
um on the truck including water that you
know but again if you can't bring a
cooler you can't you know like so there
water fountains your kids can drink out
but I want to make it you know
affordable for all everyone bringing
yeah children there okay so those are
issues for future right the ice cream
truck water I have to check there is a
water P there are water ponds um but
that's a good idea too low
cost we need jeie they may actually I
mean that could be a way that the boys
and girls club could leave I don't even
want to go there in terms of health
department etc etc but they might be
able to do some sort of treats that they
sell they might want to
sell it's hard like the um those things
we have at music Haven those Welches
food snacks and can go to the concession
stand and stuff yeah we don't yeah we
don't have a concession right things to
think about I saw someone even rents
Cabanas which is uh I have no umbrellas
or canopies or Cabanas allowed okay we
need to add that yes um I I see people
marking your territory and those tent
Cabanas are pretty big and um they're a
good source of
shade um because there's no shade
there um you know other than in in by
the changing area but we don't allow
them now right no but they they are
okay but that's a good point though if
you had a little kid you might want to
have an umbrella so that you have the
and over here is only astr Turf you know
that they can stick it in so we going
have to talk about that one I would say
right well we got to figure we got to
figure that
out um so no glass contain so the
coolers one we're going to question I I
think so no knives or firearms that
makes sense right no animals allow them
area also makes sense except service do
service
animus okay and then all trash must be
disposed of properly yeah I think it did
a great job yeah thank you for doing
that then these waiting times that is
actually on the current
signage so it must be from
um late after last sight sound of storm
you'd also I just want to say we have a
sign that says what's the method of
summoning on premise CPR STA and what's
the phone number for emergency and it
doesn't happen okay just has a blank
line so
tfds I'll check that and I also have to
get them to add
those right yep and he might be
coming
uh oh there's oh there's a 911 there's a
call 911 saving a life thing sign
yeah okay I don't I'm trying to figure
out where I saw that during we it must
be on the it's on the pool
rules yeah I mean those things make
sense right so if there's thunder and
lightning they're going to make
everybody leave so what they're saying
is there has to be a 30 minute wa have
to leave the fence they have to leave
the water I don't know if they have to
leave the fence for some
reason how do I access
the um the city hall uh City uh of um
homepage you mean how do you
watch Sam Samantha said that I's right
here oh I didn't see
sorry um can I get on there for some
reason I I saw them all walking out I
think that they they might have to I
don't know yeah
we where do they go okay I think we're
going to have to
stop for now what else do you guys do
you have anything else before we
stop I
guess anything before we oh call the so
so when we when we do talk about trips
or whatever um what's the ratio of adult
and I guess it's even in the pool now
what's
the
child I think this is this two or more
adults thing must be presol that's one
of the already children cannot have them
under the AG
of we don't have any rules about that
right now
I think that would
be
especially summer camp busing or even
you know can I with neighborhood kids we
can find that out because it's the same
like at my side when we have when they
have field trips um there's a certain
number of adults that have to be present
in field trips right so that's a good
ratio of adults to children for field
trips field trips are even just
normal you know I'm calling
under the but even on a regular Walkin
basis all a sudden you know I'm going to
I got you can only have got
five the
city responsible we should
probably okay all right I'm going to try
to well actually did you you took notes
or um some notes um some of your
questions and the things that you did
watch I didn't get the last part the
notes okay so I will try to um write up
some of this too and we'll just you and
I can communicate and we'll get it back
out to everybody we'll have to have
another meeting okay thank
you I mean those were some of my
highlighted
have great okay thank you
was I had to set my alarm on my phone
actually may I have a motion
to a second in favor I okay thank you
thank
you we are adjourned um good uh it looks
like
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great I'd like to call the orders conc
the city council committee meeting for
Monday August 19th
2024 um where before we U going to our
committees we do have two presentations
uh first of all we do have a really full
room I'd like ask everyone to please
silence your cell phon to make sure that
they're off and additionally this
meeting is for the council only so we
are we do not take
comments uh from the public um and uh no
applause no Amen Corner none of that so
first we're going to have our two
presentations and we'll start with um
Miss Patrick yes um the SKC Foundation
um has Representatives here of the on
SKC Community change Council um which
they've started
um and we have some folks from the
community change Council that are going
to be making a presentation I know is
here
um speaking
and speaking and name song speaking and
we have other members of the council
present
um speakers are if you're going to be
speaking come over here speak we need we
need folks to come up here there's a
microphone Who start
Christine and I think you know Christine
the microphone is for the people people
better that's
how sure take thank you I am Christine
Moore and I am a member of the uh
Community change Council here uh with
the skincity foundation uh and tonight
we are going to present on one skty as
well as our particular initiative which
is the housing ones concy together
initiative so who is the commity change
Council we are a team of residents and
leaders we committed to
participate in um a process which we
didn't quite know what it was to begin
with but um folks just decided to come
together through the foundation and all
of the great work that they've done um
to discuss issues in our community where
we could affect systems change so in
that process process we started off with
a three-day kickoff which was uh we
included a consultant from the community
science who came in to run that 3-day
Workshop back in March
wow so in that process we were presented
with a few different possible
projects um and narrowed it down to
quality affordable
housing I missed the last point there
was that oh sorry sorry um and okay so
there's still 18 members now actively
engaged and there's still more interest
coming that was the part that I I wanted
to miss next slide so 90 days of action
what does that look like so the
community science basically gave us an
outline to work from we identified
different areas that we needed to
address um and broke off into subgroups
and began the work in 90 days now it is
quite a task to tackle
housing in 90 days
um especially when you're not like
myself necessarily close to the problem
um with regard to some of the ways that
it was presented I would say that we're
all close to the problem because we all
want quality housing so it involves all
of us um but it wasn't an area that I
had particularly tackled but with the or
some of the people on the committee
hadn't tackled but we were committed to
90 days of action and so we started our
process so next slide oh part of that
process was branding and marketing
deciding what exactly it is we were
going to do so we created a vision in
which our uh we envisioned a future
where everyone in Connected can live in
a healthy home that helps them Thrive
and unleash their full potential so we
all agree that this is what we wanted
the outcome of this initiative to
be so some of the challenges we faced
were landlords tenants homeowners
neighborhood leaders City staff we all
have these important roles to play in
improving housing for the SK conc um but
we don't always communicate uh in in
ways that are going to get us towards um
improving housing
here um so we sort of tackled that
problem through Community
engagement in one of the Committees that
we had was research and policy so that
committee went out and did particular
work in looking at uh benchmarking
existing policies around hous
and and trying to find the gold standard
that we could learn about and then model
here in
SKC uh through the work that I did on
the engagement I leveraged my resources
from Albany and we were put in touch
with the United tenants Association
which doesn't serve skincity to the
capacity that it serves Albany but is
yet serving the capital region and did
have some data to to report back to us
but what we found is they had um this
tool called the Albany landlord report
card um and it was aligned with what we
were discussing in our initial 3 days of
action and so we decided to move forward
with exploration on how some a model
like this could be applied here in
skincity another component of our work
was mapping out our Rich resources and
skincity around housing and creating um
an ecosystem which if you happen to have
one of our handouts you'll notice the
ecosystem there or you'll see it up on
our slideshow so this is a work in
progress there are lots of organizations
that may not be um identified here in
this ecosystem so there's it's potential
to build on it but this was our starting
point part and looking at some of the
resources that we have and how they're
connected around housing here so Second
Step was
to meet with slick and I see Chris
Morris is here so we um had the
opportunity to present at their August
meeting I believe and to to hear
feedback um and to offer an opportunity
to engage in the process of developing
the
landlord um tool the landlord app we
we're calling it lease so I just want to
highlight that relationship a little bit
because it wasn't smooth sailing when we
started there are a lot of
um there's there's a lot of things that
have happened over the past few years
between landlords and tenants in terms
of relationships that needs to be
rebuilt and conversations need to be
opened um so that we're working together
to provide landlords with good tenants
that they need and our tenants with good
homes where they need to live so this um
I'm I'm proud to say that if within
those 90 days of action uh that win was
is a big one because we're continuing
the conversations as we move forward
with building the tool that will help up
lift good landlords in our
area step three feel like we skipped
over some stuff and I'm sure we did it
was a jamack 90 days
um so yeah so we we started digging into
some of the items that uh are needed to
uh prioritize what we want
to learn through the
application um we want to provide
information about rental properties and
recognize that landlords who comply with
the city codes so we need a lot of folks
in this room on board uh we did create a
community survey to make sure that this
is something that our residents actually
wanted and elely is going to present on
some of that survey data for us
shortly um and maybe just now
so thank you so much my name is Elise
Martin I work in housing over at connect
Community Action Program or scap uh so
you can see we had a really great
response to our survey uh to 220
responses the majority of them are from
renters about a third of them from
homeowners and we also had some landlord
feedback as
well um no surprise that the number one
priority for everyone who is responding
is the cost of housing when they're
looking at where they're going to be
moving um and then the quality of
housing so is it safe does it pass code
um is it in someplace that makes me feel
safe does it have the amenities I need
on a first floor uh washer dryer hook
UPS Etc um and then the responsibility
of the landlord to be responsive and
building that uh working relationship in
the beginning uh so that's what our
community is
prioritizing um and you can see that
when we checked in to um ask if they
were interested in some type of tool um
that uh similar to the one that Albany
has around 70% said yes they would be
interested and it would be helpful for
them when either uh trying to just uh
address challenges that they have in
their housing currently or when they're
looking for a new
housing um so a little bit more about
what would go into this Tool uh so on
the next slide uh there's a list of the
type of data so just a couple uh
examples here and this is in handout uh
so you can read further uh eviction
information code violation violation
information this would all get fed into
the report card uh to create a unified
uh easyto read
score um and the next steps for this
project we are looking to engage uh
stakeholders so we're here today like we
mentioned we've been talking with the
landlords we've been engaging the
community uh so making sure this is
really well well-rounded and that
everyone's voice is at the table um
looking for funding uh for the actual uh
application and then working in
Partnership to build out the tool
all right and I'm going to hand it over
to wrap up our
presentation I guess
it's we do need you I'm sorry to come
over here so that you can be on the
camera so bring over here do you want to
bring your laptop with you yeah
yeah
hello how's that yeah it's it's just for
the folks at home so um as going we
started our next guest thank you for
hosting us today um we want to uh
continue to improve and increase contact
with Community overall just building
these uh
relationships um and highlighting the
intersectionality of of oversight and
ferally distributed um funds and
programs for people that consumer is
live um I'm so proud to be part of uh an
agenda that includes the community um so
we want to highlight that we are here
with construct relationships and that
we're still we're still um managing data
and collecting
data
and so laity um played a lot of ground
workor um the first n the action engaged
um most of the people that are here
today but also uh it reflects that when
the community is included and things
that uh concern them and their quality
of life um it's important to make sure
that we have a a base a a collective
that um not just collects those that
information but we create constructive
solutions for people here um especially
we're a largely urban community and um a
lot of the people represented by members
here can tell you and agree that um it's
people that that run the economy and we
we um we're happy that sen is now
recognizing that the foundations that
are here agencies that already
established can come together and agree
that um helping consumers and residents
have a uh a place and have recourse for
their concerns as consumers is
important um so during the first 90 days
um they took action by building the
database that they're calling Le and um
also making the
uh we call
identifying our assets so um I just want
to make sure who going to the EOS system
or ecosystem that includes yes that
includes the community and um agencies
that have already um Place their efforts
toward agenda like ours and consumers
and local tenants and local community
members who um are largely consumers
here in
so we want to highlight that building
relationships that um are GE toward the
commit thank you for sharing your space
by the way so
um before you um move on to this side
just want to make sure that we
also we also are proud to include that
um in the data that we've already
collected there's
220 um 220
are completed
already we want to make sure that the
presence of the
ecosystem
intersectionality um and that a place
for community
members tenants residents longtime
contributors to the local commy have a
place that they feel safe to g a a place
that they know they will not only be
recognized but that their issues as
consumers are going have the proper
oversight and the proper attention and
that we know the researchers are already
here for us to allocate a Equitable
experience for all tenants of the local
commit um
so I'm use my
SL am I okay SL yeah it just the next
steps so the next steps are uh obviously
to continue the survey the survey is
going to be careed toward making sure
we've explored every aspect of the
consumer
experience every aspect of tenants and
um local concerns for their quality of
life reability of
hous um the responsiveness of the
housing
authority and I know personally that my
um pursuit of fair housing has I've
encountered many
barriers um and I just want to voice be
the voice
concerned for people who haven't found
uh a place for an agency where is
directly here toward their consumer
concerns but mailing you know
applications doll to S
applications uh the barriers that people
um will encounter responsiveness of
landlords and
prorities this is all barriers that they
they cost the consumer so much um
they
participating and a h program program
you know that we
have you know we have requirements and
tenant um we all have to live and and
we're required to Pro
that we come to come we we add up to a
standard we that we uh we required to
prove that we can um uh uh provide a
certain standard or consistency for that
vard and so we hope that that's going to
be
anable experience for all consumers and
especially
um and um and people they haven't have
or
place
is for
time
next do we take any questions yeah let's
take
questions the housing one's going to be
together I'm wondering if there's anyone
um from slick and Al Andor um from The
Sting Municipal Housing Authority that
have been a part of the 15 or 18 people
that have been putting this together um
slick no Housing Authority no so
initially initially in the initial group
with the um for the systems change
movement before the housing issue was
decided it was open to any Resident from
this County I believe uh City connecting
to partic to choose to participate and
be part of a systems change movement so
that Core Body those 18 people are the
people who stuck with it throughout the
90 days of action whether housing was
their personal issue that they brought
in the initial survey or not it was a
Collective Agreement to move forward
since then engaging with the city
council identifying the folks in the
ecosystem who need to be have a seat at
the table to talk about housing issues
that was part of the 90 days in the
process so in that process a
presentation with the slick as well as
you know continuing our relationship
with SCA um there were particular rules
and regulations with this committee and
that if you had
um certain decision-making abilities
Through Your Role or position that you
weren't a voting member so um you know
we we got Stars if we could vote and if
you were considered in a position of
power um over the the group dynamic and
you weren't giving a a voting privilege
um you have more oh yeah just want to
say so scaff and Slick has been uh have
been acting as advisory to it um because
it is community Leed um so we're we're
at the table we're meeting together uh
but the the direct for is coming from
the community members thank you and I
will add that if you did complete the
survey or it still is open if you
haven't there is a place to indicate
whether or not you would be interested
in contributing to the housing ones
concy I know there's uh a lot of
conversations regarding the lease app
and how uh we will wait the the system
so that it's fair and Equitable and
achieves the goals that we want it to
achieve collectively it is not meant to
be uh the Albany model here applied in
connectivty this is meant to actually
build upon the Albany model and improve
it so that it's uh a resource um that
that we want to use
Mr par yeah so first of all thank you
for this important work I really
appreciate um the community engagement
aspect of this um I did hear words like
intersectionality and equity which I'm
always excited to hear um I'm just
wondering like during the survey what
type of demographic information are you
collecting um to ensure that
equable working across intersectionality
to ensure like that's like our you guys
like like your social economic uh race
type of demographic information as part
of the surver to
Ure was the specifics just Z collecting
um I didn't get the slide in there with
zip codes um we have zip codes there's
not a lot of demographic information in
there um but we did extend the survey
because we noticed that uh the zip codes
that were responding were not uh the
Target demographic that we're looking
for um so we're doing specific targeting
in Hamilton H not pleasant Etc to make
sure that we're getting a large scope as
well as making sure we're getting
homeowners tenants and
landlords so just one more thing
so I can see like you have to careful
when you're doing surveys cuz people are
don't like taking them if you're asking
a whole bunch so so I wanted to say that
too that that's not lost to me um so the
landlord report card piece is that like
so what does that mean for a landlord is
this just like more like a marketing
tool for a landlord to say hey a plus
ated by this entity or is there any more
other any other type of incentives or
things outside of that that yeah I mean
we' we've talked in brainstorming that
this could pull in resources for them
and we've talked about different Grant
fundings um and Foundation money you
know could this lead to you're eligible
for certain funding if you know you meet
a certain rate it is also um good you
know we talked a little bit about like
HUD requirements so if you're high rated
on this you're likely to be able to get
um a voucher program which is a great
setup for a landlord and get that direct
payment because you probably done all
the things you need to do to have your
apartment P inspection so it's about
keeping your apartment up so you have
for all these things so I think it it
lays a good foundation for us to use as
like a unified tool across the community
and I think have other possibilities
thank
you so in um in regards I see the
priorities um issues were the housing
costs quality of Housing and and in the
context of the ecosystem what were some
of the identified of responsiveness what
was working well what on agencies with
the needs of of residents being met
areas of breakdown that we could focus
on yeah so that's kind of our next step
right right now what we built out is the
ecosystem and we are um pulling in
people from different areas of the
community to make sure that we have
everything on the map that we need um
and we're looking at what the
connections are both formal and informal
and then building out that resource to
see what the gaps are so those are our
next
steps
okay that's it all right thank you so
much time thank you uh and to members of
the public I saw somebody raised their
hand so if you if you got the contact
information you can contact them
directly and ask any questions you
have thank
you um next Mr
wall we'll give us some information on
the do he hear in the room
he was here I thought he was as
well
okay yes is that you okay that's not Mr
wall Mr triny over
here my hands you needed to that can be
heard um yeah so I'm Brian triny um the
building inspector for the city of skty
and along with that comes a flood plane
hazard manager
so um I am appointed flood plane uh
Hazard manager so uh there's some
there's been some inquiry um from
Council about uh some of the development
that's going on in the Mohawk Harbor and
um we've we've had some uh inquiry
ourselves with
DEC and uh that brought up some
um Discovery there's been a change a
passing of the torch at the East see
there's a new uh State flood plane
manager there and he has some inquiry of
um how that has been managed and
developed in Mohawk Harbor so uh we have
been um Gathering documents and
supplying them to
DEC uh and uh you know my
predecessors uh from what I've been
coming up with and discovering have been
have managed that properly Mohawk Harbor
was um brought out of the flood plane
elevation with Phil and uh this care of
most of the properties that have been
developed before uh before I was here at
the city um and my intention moving
forward is to uh keep managing these uh
this development properly and uh making
sure the proper documentation and
surveys are uh are are prepared as this
development moves forward so uh what
what sparked this inquiry and
development uh about flood plane
development here is um the doc project
that we have at molar Harbor and U you
know that will um I I think Chris Wallen
is here to elaborate on that doc project
um but I did want to answer any
questions that I could about um the
flood plane
management so um we all received an
email which prompted some of the
questions so at this point in time I
know do you had you have any specific
questions Mr man well from from the
email it looked like that there were
some concern um on on the part of the
state and so I wanted to you know kind
of understand that a little bit better
and where we were in that process and is
that going to hold up this price any way
so um I I'll I'll lean I'll lean to
Chris on the doc project he can follow
me up uh when we talk specifically about
the doc project um that plan is 100% and
he's very familiar with the U
engineering side of that um but I'll
pass it on answer that question okay so
the docs we are designed and we were
ready to go to bid however the dec
during their review asked for a flood
survey is make sure that the
installation of the peers they are 6
18in Piers they want to make sure that
that does not impact the uh flood
elevation the final flood elevation of
the river um we do not think there's
really any way that it could given that
they are 18in cylindrical round piers in
the River Bank however they want to see
the Cs they want to see us go through
that step I have a meeting with our
consultant Wednesday morning to go
through it but uh it's similar to um
what we had to do for Mohawk Harbor or
what GL group had to do for m haror just
on a much smaller scale we are going to
get there report so if you remember when
when we took Mohawk Harbor out of the
flood plane the now you're taking area
out of the flood plane that otherwise
would would flood so they want to make
sure you're not going to impact areas
that would flood and put your flooding
elsewhere that's why that when we raise
Mohawk Harbor's uh base elevation of
ground they also had to pull the River
Bank back because they had to do a
calculation to say that if we're going
to take away this volume we have to add
the volume in a similar capacity so that
we don't increase the risk of flooding
to The Stockade or to the surrounding
areas so it's a similar study just on a
much smaller scale that they have to do
because the rest of the the everything
else is not permanent the docks are
meant to float up or float down and then
in the winter season or non Canal season
are removed from the river so the only
thing that will be left in the river
permanently are these six cylindrical
Piers uh and they're actually existing
above What's called the average high
water mark so they're not actually in
the river but in a flood situation they
are in the flood so so that would be so
we have to do this additional Ser uh
this additional study it will delay us a
little bit but it is what it what was
requested anyone
else okay well thank
you thank you
Chris next committee is Public Safety so
I'd like to call to order to the Public
Safety Committee we have one item on the
agenda tonight that is revisiting a
discussion about reducing the city speed
limit to 25 M hour and other traffic
safety measures M Patrick yes thank you
um so we've been talking about this
since August of 2022 I'm hoping that we
will get to the point where we can
actually make a decision about whether
we're going to limit uh reduce the speed
limit to 25 miles hour um so uh I think
it was two meetings ago we requested
that U Mr wall and Mr Cannon and
um uh Lieutenant uh
Brian is it rle yeah boua uh would come
and talk with us today and U make some
commendations um about the reduction in
the speed limit so take it away Mr
W I will try to be brief uh but I this
is not so much that but so much a lot of
things all at once so I'm going to kind
of hit you with some information and
then you guys can think about the
information we can come back I do not
want you to think of this as a oneoff
I'm here every other week so you can
always ask for another update so we're
going to call this an update because
this is what we're going to do traffic
safety update I've been meeting now with
with uh Brian Canon and Brian bouga I
tried to print these for you uh but my
printer did not work with it and I can
hand it out in the future but this is
what I'm calling our Traffic Safety
update so I want to make sure we're
asking the right questions when we're
around this table the question shouldn't
be how do we reduce speed right it's how
do we increase safety so the number one
goal when you meet with the no we meet
with anybody is how do we reduce serious
injuries fatalities so speeding is a
part of that but the number one metric
that everyone uses is speed is serious
injuries fatalities then you have
speeding you have minor accidents and I
know around this table you also want to
reduce your complaints because that's
what we hear from here from the public
um we are not alone in this so I
am just part of a bigger Cog here so we
work with the dot we work with our no
which is the capital region
Transportation Council we work with
Federal highways we work with the CDTA
we work with the regional planning
commission and I'm sure I'm forgetting a
bunch of people you know we work with
the county we work with Community groups
but these are the main people um what
we're talking about is not a city issue
it is a national issue it is a state
issue it's a worldwide issue it's just
we're focused on the city so I don't do
this alone I have lots of people to
support me and this is also something
that lots of people are also working on
even in the city uh always talk about
the three E I am 1e I am engineering we
have education and we have enforcement
um education is always the hardest one
if everybody knew to cross on a
crosswalk and weight if everybody knew
to push a button if everybody drove the
speed limit you know sometimes what they
say is new laws are not the solution
just obey the laws that are there that's
tough all right and a lot of it falls on
engineering right if nobody's going to
obey the law if we don't have the staff
to enforce the law then we got to
engineer it so that people obey by the
law and that gets difficult
uh this is some data that the SPD
provided me I just wanted to show it um
this is a summary of the tickets issued
last year and where we are to date of
the tickets issue this year it's a lot
of information that's why I try to get
it in a print out for you but I will
express it but on the most part we seem
to be trending very similar um just to
let you know equipment I I had it you'll
see the kind of a um where is uh 20% and
20% so that's the numbers are actually
identical that year and equipment is um
too loud of a car muffler noise um and
then uh tinted glass things like that
that is what equipment is it's issues
with your vehicle and then right of way
is if you're driving the wrong way on a
road if you're cutting through a parking
lot if you're doing anything kind of in
the right away illegally but not within
essentially the road itself um that was
right away so those were the two that
aren't as self descriptive as as I like
but this is where we are today we use a
track system to do these things we've
also just signed up to make sure we have
it into uh the clear database which
tracks accidents in a geographic GIS
database and all this information is
being provided um to the mayor's office
for his reports and we are starting to
look at it for um future
implementation um this you know this is
one of the things I want to tell you
when I say that we're all working
together I had a meeting which I'll talk
about briefly but I had a meeting last
week at the no the capital reg
Transportation Council and this is the
information they have just for the
city's connected using the clear system
using all the data that's available they
already have areas here that are in the
city that they think are issues and they
want us to look at so I just take this
list and go one step further when I met
with them they were happy to see that I
I already know about this you don't know
we're working on this this just things
that we're doing so Crane Street Albany
Street that was on the top of their list
and they said hey do you want to do a
Lincoln study and I said we already
doing I said okay great they go what
about Eastern Avenue I go we already
replaced the signal with Eastern Avenue
they go okay now we're 0 for three right
Albany Str Brandy Wine North Elm we do
have an area there that we're looking at
that's the next phase of it but we
already did all uh Liberty that's the
same area with that um city is connected
down here the South Avenue Brandy Wine
we just did that that was an H project
so we don't have to go through the whole
list but it's just to show you that I
didn't generate this list this list was
generated by one of our third party that
is interested in all Al helping us get
highway safety money and seeing crashes
would you see potential for safety
Improvement so higher the number the
better and killed in seriously injured
down so this is a metric that they use
when they write giving us Federal money
um current tools these are all the
things that we're currently doing
enforcement we have PD we have radar
Science we just bought some more for
school zones we have variable message
radar signs there are the signs out
there that say high traffic area those
also have a radar component they can
take data we have the temporary speed
tables that we purchased and we have the
optical sensors aka the smart nodes that
we've deployed throughout the city um
all of these allow us to collect data
and to try to push everything together
uh even talking with Brian Canon he he
shared with me you know abundant amount
of data that the optical nodes uh gave
us for some of the areas that we were
looking at which broke down percentile
speeds average speeds high speeds so
that's what we're looking at those are
the tools that we currently have uh I
don't see anybody from SPD here but you
know always they always say they could
always use more enforcement so you know
more people on the street the more
enforcement that you have potential
tools all right these are kind of what
Cara would You' like to talk about so I
numbered them a little bit right so we
have the reduction of the Citywide speed
limit how do we do that City resolution
we have permanent speed tables how do we
do that I'd like to come up with a city
procedure and possibly a resolution
depending on what we need then we have
implementation of Red Lake cameras and
implementation of school zone cameras
both of these I don't have this tool I
think it's bigger but I know that we
talked about home rule last time but
it's something there so the number one
that we've been talking about for 2
years right the reduction of the speed
so like I said I had a meeting on August
15th with the capara transportation
Council and they're conducting about the
vision zero plan which was a federally
funded plan through the safy streets for
all grant program so we're part of that
plan which includes many safety metrics
which is also where that table came from
uh what they'd like to do is take a
couple select areas of the city look at
it do some reports and get some traffic
data on those areas one of the big
things that I want to share with you
that is going to help us with this is
that previously we have done a speed
study we did it on Kings Road and we did
it on Rugby Road and I sat here and I
said that using the do the New York
state do metrics it was not applicable
to reduce the speed on a road like K's
Road it didn't meet the metrics the Fed
Federal guidance is relaxed over the
state Guidance the federal guidance will
allow us to reduce speeds on roads like
kan's Road on roads like State Street on
those major roads so I'm going to show
you that what I want to do right now is
focus on the nonlocal so I'm going to
show you another this is called
functional class all right little lesson
in roadways a little bit all these
colorful roads are functional roads
they're arterials they're collectors you
know as the main road in the city if a
road on this map is not green blue or
red it's a local road if we were not the
city of skincity if we were the village
or town of
SKC we do not have the we would not have
the authority to change the speed limit
on a lot of these roads if you hear
about the town of East Green Bush
Village of Scotia any that reducing
their speed limit they do not have the
jurisdiction authority to reduce the
speed limit on County and state roads so
all they did is reduce it on local roads
if that's all you were asking as a
council was to reduce the speed liit on
local roads we could do it
today but I don't think that's a further
action you want to take cuz a local Road
and the roads are a little bit different
but I just wanted to show you the
difference I am not concerned about
local roads local roads should be 25 I
don't have a problem with that it's
these colorful roads that I just want to
make sure if we're doing this hopefully
one time everybody on the same page
reduction that I get these roads right
so then we get into oh it's gone I don't
know where it went to this is a map of
the city with these two roads and there
should be a map there but it's gone so
the two roads right now that Brian Canon
and I were looking at if you can use
your imagination are uh to be designated
as 30 this is what just based off of the
information that I have is right now
this red line you see here is State
Street that section of State Street goes
from the city line to Fair Avenue that
section of State Street is 35 mph is the
only and the longest section of the city
that 35 mph it is a commercial Corridor
and it is mostly commercial with very
little residential Brian and I talking
we did not feel that that section is
warranted to go down to 25 but we do
think that we could reduce it to 30
after Fair Avenue the character of the
street does change and we would be
looking to possibly go to a 25 or
possibly segment it more possibly like
mclen Street maybe you go 30 to mlen and
from mlen all the way to the city line
again at the Western Gateway Bridge go
close to 25 but these are the things I
wanted to talk about with the engineers
before we come to the council with
recommendation the other little squiggly
line you see up there that is Maxim Road
Extension Maxim Road Extension has no
residential it is a gateway to the city
it leads to Erie Boulevard which is
State controlled which has a 40 mph
Speedway so it would also if we were to
leave that it would also hopefully
funnel traffic away from such uh of the
residential districts and on the max in
two Boulevard in there um as you notice
I do not have Erie Boulevard on here
Erie Boulevard is an enigma to me we do
not own eie Boulevard from the
roundabout North we own eie Boulevard
from the roundabout South if this was 13
years ago before I was city engineer I
would tell you that I would not
recommend it be 25 mph I recommend it
would be 30 plus however we have seen
since I've been here and since the mayor
has been mayor and since a lot of us
have been here eie bouevard is really
transformed from commercial into
residential we have electric city we
have the apartments F Apartments uh
where the old car wash used to be now we
have wedgeway we have a lot more
residential on that area and also with
the density it's really anybody going
that fast during peak times I'm not sure
so that's an area I would like to look
at because it has transitioned from a
primarily commercial into a half
residential so I would like to look at
that area but this is what we're talking
about we're not talking about waving and
say everything's 25 I just want to look
at it and make sure that we're getting
it right and then this also goes into
what we talked about Brian and I about
signage where we have 30 mph zones will
affect where our signage is so if we
have a 30 hour street we have to make
sure that street is 30 so we still have
to change these signs cuz right now it
says 35 so all the 35s come down all the
30s come up Brian uh and I were talking
about the streets off of it we just want
to make sure uh if we put up those signs
that say 25 mph unless otherwise noted
do we need to put 25 on those streets
coming off I need to have a a
conversation about that and then Brian
uh has uh been working on with John
kucho on a number for the budget for
what we want and the number is not as
not as large as I had thought which is
good because I think that by doing more
we're lessening our load but it's still
not nothing if you wanted to talk about
it at all I mean it's just a quick
my estimation is around 15 to 20K 15 to
$20,000 upwards of $20,000 I'm hoping as
we get into things we can keep it a
little closer to the 15 but um crunching
the numbers I believe it's right in that
range that's
good uh so that's what we're looking at
with regard to speeds um we'll go to the
end but so this is where we are with
speed right now we're hoping to have
everything done by the end of this year
even though the vision zero plan is
actually going to go to June I asked him
to roll it up so that we have it and
we're working with him to make sure that
we get all of our signage and things in
place so the next thing tool two uh this
came up I wanted to make sure this is a
kind of a discussion Point speed tables
all right I remember the council asked
2022 2023 we wanted to implement a speed
table Wayne Avenue was our location for
the speed table uh this is just a map of
work it shows you can see uh MLK School
Dwayne Avenue and I'm calling them one
and two and then we have a stop sign in
the middle stop sign's important because
it's not a straight through you do have
to stop uh this is what the speed tables
look like uh they're very nice product
little labor intensive to put down but
once they're down they're down um but
and it is very we got the high
visibility one it's a very nice product
um PD did data pre and post using the
radar cameras uh and here is a summary
of what they have so I just wanted to i'
got a bunch of notes on here the period
data was taken in uh where it was it
July so no school but in July and then
the post data was in June school is in
session the following year after the
pumps were um if you notice the traffic
was actually up I just wanted you to
notice that because the volumes were up
not huge but up and the speeding numbers
and the average speeds were actually
down so we do think in the report that
SPD put together did deem that the speed
tables were effective so you could see
that we went from uh 11 % over to only
4% that's great our westbound similarly
westbound is always a little higher the
other part of it is our Peak speeds 70
mph down to 59 79 mph down to 61 and on
top of all this data that we have we did
not receive one complaint over the 3 and
1/2 month installation um and so I I
think that it was it was a good program
I think it's something that we have to
look at so I put this together right so
speed tables can provide traffic calming
and the right application so this is
where I would push back here right is
that I don't want to legislate for my
office does the city council want to
install permanent speed tables if we do
then the city myself and Brian and SPD
we can work together to give some
locations but if we are also going to
allow the public um I have an
example of uh you might have seen this a
couple years ago if you want to pass it
around one sheet of what I really would
like to get put into place for us to
adopt which is an implementation guide
this guide is what the city of Rochester
uses uh Chief Whipple found it last year
I think it is a just a terrific guide
for something so that we can control the
requests um of it you know if the city
if Brian and I and the police are going
to put something in and it's already
going to be based off of this
information so the city will be
following this information but we just
want to make sure that similarly to the
sidewalk program and things that if
somebody wants to request something that
it's done in a more of a cohesive
organized Manner and not at this table
and not through emails and maybe uh
what's the proceed click fix um the only
thing I do want to point out with this
is uh restrictions uh this is a nice
little map I put together quickly about
where right now I would not advise so we
have what's called priority streets in
the city priority streets are usually
come into effect when you plowing comes
you want you off the street when it's
plow but priority streets are also our
priority streets if you were to know
they're here they're most of our main
roads we also have an engineering What's
called the primary Street which is
essentially an expansion of the primary
Street Network it's just not uh as
important for the plow routs and these
are the roads in the city that I would
recommend that if we're putting together
some legislation to say it that we would
these are off limits we can do maybe
other traffic calming measures but that
speed tables and speed humps we remove
that from the and I I tried to be I
tried to be judicious with it you know I
try to you know like where do you go we
can talk about it Norwood you know right
by Mount Pleasant Norwood is feeding
it's not a primary it's not a priority
that could be a main road that we look
at doing something like that about
working with the school district there
are roads secondary roads like that that
could be affected with feed buds but I
just want to make sure that we're doing
it in a way and I I can't deny that the
they did work they they did work in the
right application so I don't want to
take that off I just want to talk about
that and then the last thing that we
have tools three and four they're speed
enforcement cameras and speed
enforcement uh both for red lights and
school zones I talked to Bill Trudeau
who is the signal superintendent in the
city of Albany uh he has been there for
I believe 30 plus years uh he says that
they do have 20 and they were legisl for
20 in school zone so they have 20 and 20
um they had to pick what school zones
they're just going into this year I
believe this is going to be their first
year with them but the uh red light
cameras at the intersection have been
functioning so this is a tool that we
currently don't have but it's something
that if we feel that it's effective we
could make an effort for but I don't
have the road map to get to this um so
with that that's my quick as quick as I
can be of of speed safety in the area um
we are starting to meet more regularly I
am meeting with the no I think that
Vision zero plan is good um but I I just
want to you know like these are things
like I tried to show on that slide that
my office and with Brian coming on board
these are things we're already doing
we've already take traffic and safety
and you know we kind of lead the region
in federal aid money AIT money safety
money but it's something that it's like
drinking from a fire hose there's going
to be there's a lot of need in the city
but we are trying to do it so um in this
presentation I can update it we can try
to go forward uh a lot of the
information is going to be updated in
the mayor's uh monthly smart cities
reports going forward so that could be
made available for his office so I guess
I'll open it up to the questions at the
time as always thank you that was a nice
thorough presentation and then I think
it very much highlighted that to your
point there's already measures being
taken by the city and I thought the
other um foot stomp that I would make is
that this is not an issue uh that
disconnect the and of itself is is is
only experiencing this is a national
issue so at that time I'd like to open
up to any questions or comments as far
yeah so Echo I'm that I'm wonderful uh
very informed presentation so the
question is um so there's some things
that are in our control right there are
some things that we can do as far as the
speed tables which I think was a really
you know showed them to be quite
effective um when I'm thinking about
like some place like Kings Road in
particular which um is you know extreme
high traffic Ro so my question is we're
talking about the possibility of
reducing uh Citywide uh speed
limit I'm saying all so what type of
graduated interventions would be
appropriate for a place like King's Road
because talking to Residents is
is there was like request for a stop
sign more than overall reduction of uh
of the speed l in that are are in
particular so I'm wondering like through
the course of that traffic study that we
did um did it meet the requirements for
maybe a stop sign there instead of um
asward doing this more comprehensive
piece yeah so that's one thing stop
signs are not on my list of tools
because they're not a tool and we did
look at it um it did not meet the the
Merit for a stop sign um I have a hard
time I talked about this with Brian and
I've talked about this a little bit
internally is that um as a Judicial body
of the city of SKC you are in your own
right to put a stop sign up it is in the
city of connected however as the city
engineer with a license I cannot sign
off that it would be a compliant
mutcd stop sign however I've sent
articles out municipalities have done
this you know people have said that it's
in the greater need of the community
that we put this up and that that's what
we go we go forward with as a stop sign
um we would prefer uh Brian and I were
talking about just a little bit is that
um now with this once again another tool
is that Kings Road with the dot measures
was not able to technically be reduced
but with the federal measures we now can
reduce the speed on King's Road um we
did just put up a new signage on Kings
Road slow signage on the Kings Road last
week so we would like to see that
between the reduction of the speed limit
on that road if it's recommended which
most likely will go that route and then
the new signage what what happens there
we did put the crosswalk there we have
tried to make it you know narrower we do
have the guide rail you know we're we're
trying to put all the tools up there
that we can I believe the police have
had radar signs up there um but the stop
sign is not one of them that's why it
was specifically left out and it has
been discussed a couple of times K says
the speed tables wouldn't be appropriate
for King's Road I don't think speed
tables would be appropriate for K's Road
no what have we done or is there more we
could do on in the way of public ation
and put the message out there speed
kills and other campaign you know one of
the groups that I'm involved in that I
didn't have up there I actually meant to
is like the governor's traffic safety
board and some of the county sheriffs
and they do a lot of they uh I was on
the uh committee that started the
CNBC uh campaign and that started with h
money for Central Avenue 8 years ago and
that's been pretty successful I mean if
we need materials the state uh the state
office will give us all the materials I
know that uh SPD does um I don't want to
call it fake ticketing I don't know the
word that they call but they they go out
and they'll do like an educational
ticketing thing uh also the sheriff's
office has done that where they'll
actually if they catch you jaywalking
they'll give you like a CNBC ticket
which is kind of like a a fake ticket to
say Hey you know this is a a violation
you should cross in the crosswalk things
like that so like I said there are a lot
of Partners out there um um one of the
areas that the sheriff's office at are
are monthly meeting was is you know up
Division Street which was on the list by
the McDonald's and the bus stop you know
that is a really heavy area for
pedestrian traffic they go up there they
do targeted areas up there to try to do
enforcement and education uh events
that's one of the also the reasons that
we're looking at working with the CDTA
which is why it's up there to try to you
know move the bus stops to try to stop
all the different things there because
we have people running around buses um
but education would be great I I don't
know if you wanted to well yeah I I I
did not have a chance I was hoping to do
that before today's meeting but one of
the ideas which I thought was I was
trying to think outside the box and be a
little creative I ran it by Chris cuz I
thought maybe this is a little too wacky
Chris actually didn't think it was too
wacky so um you know I don't know if
anyone has ever taken a defensive
driving class um I took my last one
during covid when we first started at
covid um you know sitting there I
figured okay don't really have a lot
that I can do today I'm going to do this
defensive driving I definitely noticed a
change in my behavior after I took that
defensive driving class so one of the
ideas that I had was trying to see
whether I could get um a defensive
driving
course taught for free so in other words
like you can get defensive driving
through AAA you can get it in a number
of places I was hoping that maybe I
could get it so that either we would
think about putting a certain pot of
money together when we do our budgeting
for
2025 um where maybe we would pay for
defensive driving or if I could just get
somebody to actually donate the
defensive driving um that if we could do
that as an incentive to get people to
take the defensive driving that at least
it might be one dent in that was no pun
intended but one way of trying to get
people to think more about their driving
habits um I know that um when I first
started this back in August of 2022 the
first people called were the were you
know the chief of police because I did
you know didn't know if it was just
crazy the crazy idea also around
lowering the speed limit the chief
really felt that if we could lower the
speed limit um that maybe we'd get
people going 30 if the speed limit was
25 it also might be easier for them to
um again if people were going um let's
say 40 in a 25 mph speed zone the police
have more latitude in terms of ticketing
um which hopefully then would also be a
deterrent and might help to change some
of these behavior um because I I
definitely agree Chris mentioned this
earlier that out of those those ease
that we've heard about now several times
over the last couple of years education
and behavioral change is going to be the
toughest part of this um so um that was
that was the one idea that I had shared
with Chris the other day and I will
bring this up it is not in the
presentation but stay tuned for future
presentations cuz it's going to be a
bigger issue is that there's a new
buzzword out there called micr mobility
and micr Mobility is electronic scooters
skateboards Halls Wheels bikes it's all
of the things that go 30 mph and are not
registered vehicles and I don't want to
you know that's an entirely side
conversation but it is also part of this
because it's unregistered vehicles at
speeds on sidewalks on roads and it does
affect uh traffic and safety so as a
region we bring it up we're trying to
figure it out I know SPD has a hard time
with it because there's classifications
there's a lot of things that go into it
but that eventually will be up here and
I don't know what the pool will be but
more and more you're going to be seeing
that and that that's the term of it is
called micromobility yeah that
definitely has to be something that we
take on as well moving forward any of
questions or comments M so Mr Wallen um
so you talked about a couple things that
could happen and our our real goal that
we were trying to get to 25 mil an hour
but you also talked about these speed
tables so incrementally is there
anything that we can do to can and the
defensive driving actually I like I
don't know about the money
car but um I think that's a good idea
and I'm wondering if insur if it impact
people's Insurance in a positive way
well it would I mean if you take
defensive driving for 3 years after you
take it
you get a discount on your insurance so
that can be their incentive as
well we don't have can't give you money
it definitely will take your insurance
down so uh incrementally are there
things we can do in in what short time
frame in terms of the speed tables and
also the um lowering the speed limit I
know you didn't want to do that
individually but yeah so lowering the
speed limit I mean I would really like I
know that you could just have patience
and bear with me as I go through with
the engineers and Brian because it's
there and we will we'll get and I I can
even run some of this through them to
see if we can do it faster but in the
shorter term things that we can control
um you know take Dwayne Avenue with the
speed table so I showed you the results
I don't have any complaints we do not
have any permanent speed tables in the
area I would prefer that if we were to
put speed tables in they come with some
kind of a documented support from the
council that says that you are okay with
the implementation of these speed tables
and that's kind of what I'm looking for
is the procedures in it I do not believe
and I can look that there's anything in
the city Charter that says that the city
engineer can put speet tables in I'm
sure you could find some language that
says anything in his discretion but I
would just like to have the support like
you know if we're going to move forward
if we want to put that in permanently we
can move forward with in the spring I
know it's almost po but putting those in
permanently coming up with standards
we're going to need markers on either
side for plows right we're going to need
reflectors we're going to need to make
sure you know but to that could be a
step that the the committee can take or
the council can take as well as if we
want to entertain a form like Rochester
if we want to entertain allowing us to
move forward internally with identifying
a couple other locations and and doing
programs like this to to do that and
coming back because right now that was a
was a test it was a pilot program pilot
program's over it didn't seem effective
I just don't know how move forward any
other questions or comments Tor uh thank
you yes thank you Chris um so I know
since we purchased the first one you had
mentioned in Prior meetings that the
cost has gone up substantially with the
um with the with the cost of them how
much of the speed tables themselves okay
they're not I don't I don't I wouldn't
worry about the cost of them necessarily
I mean if we're going to buy another set
of them we have a set we just need to
find the right spot to put them in based
off of this information and I can I can
bring that to you
um but when they do work you know
because this will be
a I'm I'm I don't know how to to control
the floodgates necessarily if you were
to go to Albany and go into the Arbor
Hill Neighborhood I believe they spent a
million dollars putting in speed tables
throughout the Arbor Hill Neighborhood
so once again is that is a commitment of
City funds that currently you don't have
in front of you so if we're going to do
that you're going to say Chris we
usually Bond you a million5 dollars to
pave City roads we want to take a
percentage of that and we want you to
put it in the speed tables all right
there's no funding source out there that
I'm aware of I can see if H funding is
available but you know everything we do
has a repercussion from somewhere else
and if we do Dwayne Avenue what's to say
that a neighboring Street will not want
something similar if you're going to see
it and then that's how you know when
Arbor Hill they did multiple streets so
we have one it was a school zone it was
picked because it was cut through it's a
good Street um you know Tri Street which
is right identified next to it that
traffic cing is going to be different
that traffic cing is we're narrowing the
road significantly we're putting that
cycle track and you know we're going to
be doing landscaping so that's a
different type of
traffic um I usually like reserving my
questions to the end but because they're
related can you talk around the
turnaround time of installing them and
then any maintenance issues that you
identified on this test of installing a
speed HP I do not think they would be um
a long lead time to install it is uh
typically they're asphalt we could look
to do it in the concrete um but I
believe albes are all asphalt um if we
were to design and put out a bid we
could probably put them in this year but
I don't know if that would be something
that we would put it in just in time for
clouds
um but it is literally you would Mill
out a keyway in the location then you
would put um probably some dowels to get
it down and then you would just form it
with asphalt which is hand work but it
could be done and then then we'd have to
see if we' like to paint it and that was
something then we'd have to maintain the
paint but we definitely would want if
you were to go to um Colony they have
indicators on both sides and then they
have a sign ahead that says you know
bump ahead you know we just have to put
that package together similar to a
school zone so we have a speed table
package and it it anything can be done
it's really I mean this is pretty
standard to uh the mutcd books and
things for when you have it um so I'm
not I'm not too concerned about it it's
just when
and uh you know one I I can afford a
dozen now we're starting to get into
impacting other things in the budget
then uh just the second part of that the
maintenance issues does it permanently
alter like the Integrity of the roadway
or was that something that you didn't
identify as an issue no it it would only
alter that that location spe bump would
be and it would be it would be intergal
itself it would only be if we did
concrete it would be you know its own
its own thing which might which might be
where we go with it to make it last a
little longer any other questions m p so
it does seem first of all thank you I
know how much time you put into this and
I really appreciate it um it would
obviously have budget implications I'm
looking at Mr Ferrari because I know he
doesn't like budget implications um but
obviously um whether it was speed tables
whether it's enforcement whether it's um
you know uh the the the the lights all
the things on the lights I mean how are
we able to come up with those sort of
budget Pro jections in terms of what we
would need to if we were looking at this
comprehensively um as you just did um as
opposed to just the speed limit um are
we able to you know put that kind of
packaging together in time for how it
would impact the 2025 budget and what we
would need to discuss for the 2021
budget I would I would probably start
with talking with Bill and Albany I
believe when you set up these speed
cameras there is more of a agreement
part of it where the company that you
sign up to do it it's like a revenue
share to pay for somebody operating it
so I would have to but I believe that's
how that was set up um one of the things
I I'll share with this this was an
interesting one that we would just have
to work through the logistic is
apparently there is a law that with this
school zone speed cameras they have to
issue the tickets within 14 days or the
ticket is null and that is done by the
police department so they're trying to
figure out you know the resources to
make sure that they can turn around
those tickets in a time that's adequate
to be able to get it out so that's one
of the things that they're looking at is
that okay they're anticipating that when
they get up there for the first couple
of months the tickets are going to go
high high generation of tickets and now
they have to go through get them all out
so that's a that is a a labor question
that they have right
now and you know if you if you guide me
that way I will ask the questions and
get the information like I said this is
a Sandbox that I play in so I I know to
get it but it's just what what do we
want to do and then like you said if we
if we were to bond you know you're going
to come to the capital budget and if I
put a bond of $1.5 million which is what
a typical amount is that we would do
annually um the speed tables can come
out of that bonded money um that is an
equ to come out of that but once again
is you're you're not doing something on
a road otherwise you're you're you're
allocating the money differently which
is fine I mean it's all for the benefit
of the city but there is no nothing else
new everything's getting allocated
different any other questions or
comments so with that being said I just
wanted to clarify one point you made you
said with respect to lowering the speed
limit to 25 mph you were asking for
additional time to see out that studies
the of the year is that correct yes so
the recommendation from our city
engineer is to pause and allow him time
to continue that work how does everyone
feel about that
my hair has only gotten grayer no only
kidding but um I mean if we need to do
that we need to do that um but um yeah I
mean um but to your point Miss Patrick
uh we have a proven method that does
work so those speed tables I I know
we're trying to weigh costs as we enter
another budget season but I think with
respect to loss of life I think this is
not uh a complicated issue I think it's
more or less just how we make those
concessions with our other ask that we
have with regards to the budget in the
city and then asking our residents to
understand if we are positioning money
to affect change in this one area that
might come at an expense to others
because we cannot view everything uh so
he making sure there's a lot of
realization and understanding that the
enforcement and Engineering are aspects
that we can control but that education
is a collective
responsibility so we can take these
steps but if the community is not
working collaboratively with us
and it will all be for and we'll be
addressing the next micro mobility issue
as it comes in a decade or so oh that's
going to come soon yeah sooner than a
DEC that's way sooner than yeah
um would you like me to move forward
with trying to create a city of connty
procedure
yes I say yes
yes I say
yes and then I did want to get a
clarification you said if we elected to
today we could put aop a stop sign on
King's Road the issue was whether it be
effective or not can you just clarify or
did I not hear that
correctly be
effective well you said in the beginning
so I I I know I I'm trying to be nice
and uh what was the word neutral with
the word is that the the article like I
sent out regarding the the town Bor and
bson Spa whatever their elected body is
is that they thought it was in the best
interest of the town and for town Safety
to put that stop sign there even though
they acknowledge that it did not meet
the criteria laid out by the
mutcd and that was how it was worded and
that's how it was stated as they wanted
to put it there because they felt it was
in the best interest of the Town um and
that's what I am saying is that you know
there's a lot of we just went through
some language here and I was reading out
on federal highways that states that the
jurisdiction ultimately has authority
over their jurisdiction you know the
mutcd is a manual it's not they're not
going to come out and cut it down in the
Boston spot article the dot acknowledged
that they would not put that stop sign
there but that the town has the
authority to do so me being a licensed
engineer I would prefer not to do things
contrary to the manual that you know I
want to school for so that is why you
know we we're I'm just trying I'm not
trying to to say that it's not possible
it's impossible for you to do it if you
do it you're going to get arrested
they're going to tear it down it's
impossible to do I'm just saying that
you not get a letter of recommendation
for me to put that stop sign there
because it's not not one of the tools
it's not one of the things that we do as
Engineers to control traffic but if you
believe it is affected it has been done
you will find stop signs you will find
signals in this city that have been put
up for reasons like this so that that's
where I'm trying to to put it the power
can still be at this table it does not
have to come through me to to do
something like this you know we have
signal superintendent we have the
ability to do things and they that's
what I kind of just wanted to make sure
everybody's aware of is that by me
saying that I don't support it does not
mean saying that anyone is going to come
and say it is
illegal thank you uh any other questions
there Mr Tor oh yes just relating to
that thank you um what would be the
legality of if we you know assigned a
stop sign to King's Road um and there's
a got terrible accident there and it's
not under any guidelines
I it's it's got to be the
guidelines for stop
sign
yeah to make it legal to make it legal
well I think it would be a mute point
also I don't see an Ence of as
completely disregarding or contradicting
your
recommendation Mr those type of
situations
hypothetically as opposed to any
particular site you put a stop sign up
where it's not recommended or the
studies don't support it you're going to
tend to see an increase in the rear end
collisions you're going to get they may
not be horrific accidents but you get
personal injury accidents you get damage
to cars you get people who do suffer
some uh injury as a result of somebody
stopping they're not geared to stop they
run into them and those things also over
time tend to decrease but the initial
placement of it tends to create more
events than not having it there thank
you Mr Mayor thanks Mr yeah regarding
the table in you know traffic table cing
device um I would recommend that maybe
you do it by ordinance giving the city
engineer the authority to uh develop a
policy that from time to time will be
updated according to the standards of
the uh Traffic Safety uh community that
way it's it gives him the city engineer
flexibility to update that anytime it is
updated it's brought back to the council
but just to delegate that and that if
you're being Comm if you're committing
to that table those traffic humming
devices um in the in the budget process
um that that would probably be a good
time to do it because then you're really
making the commitment you're making
we're going to spend x amount of dollars
for these types of devices and as such
we're delegating or not delegating we're
empowering or clarifying or uh clearly
setting forth that the uh the city
engineer has the authority and working
with the signals people and the police
department to develop this um standards
that will be PR presented to the council
and updated from time to time it's
necessary notice to the
council so always like asking before
designor ass signing work is that a
product your office can take on creating
that that language that
narrative creating the language
just the ordinance and and regarding a
policy we can work with the the engineer
office regarding that that we have a as
as Mr wall indicated there's a good
template to work work off from the city
of Rochester that made this need to be
adjust
so we can work
with thank you any other questions or
comments uh so at this point the only
measure we're going to move forward with
is continuing with the study to outline
some additional locations and I'm going
to update that update this um then
there's one other recommendation because
I know we get emails like from people
about the 25 miles hour we're going to
get them consistently I think that we
should put out some statement or
something that we are working on because
we're being compared well Albany did it
you haven't done it
so to your point Mr manini if we want to
let at least let people know the
direction we're moving in sure and and
once again Aly like I said they have
done it m but it's not done right so if
we do everything and we and we hurry and
we try to do it we we may close to them
so I mean right now if you'd like to
that that's perfectly acceptable to say
that we're looking at it and then if we
say that we're looking at it we're going
to do it then we're tied with all
because they haven't done it
okay well we'll put together our
PSA from you to do that oh when don't
you like to see us back
on um well when when should we think
about having you guys come back to us
it's give two cycles and we'll come back
and I can do update to and we can put
that on there Brian's already uh I just
so he's already pulled data we already
have data from uh PD to try to recommend
a second spot and then that'll give me
some time to put together our own format
with that and then Mr O'Brien can put
together his language and you can see
what we what we've gotten but uh I think
kind of trying to do it this way maybe
with a couple of updates and this this
group approach I think that will be more
positive to trying to get some results
out of it and then getting the
information into the the mayor's data
report um now that we we know what we're
looking for and then U I believe um both
Brian and then Michael Hamilton are inas
but they both signed up for the clear
database so they're going to start to
try to pull some GIS data so we'll see
what that has GIS geographic information
it's a mapping where we can try to see
hot spots and things like that so a lot
of information out there is just how you
do that together thank you uh any other
questions or comments to fall Public
Safety I just do want to um reiterate
that again my my goal was um I always
knew that there were going to be streets
that needed to remain at a higher speed
um given the traffic density and and
traffic flow as well as the fact that
there will be districts like School
District um that would be still at
probably 15 mph so I just wanted to
clarify that I knew that um and that you
know and totally support that we have to
do you know certain in certain areas
that will be higher speed and I would
just also like in I say in my defense of
it but the when we were here previously
these requests they seemed like a
mountain with the state guidelines which
were expc very explicit in perspective
80 percentile they had five steps that
he would go through we generated a
report that was 30 pages for one street
and then we generated 25 the federal
guidelines being simplified allow us to
do things so much more streamlined and
efficient that this is just what we're
doing with the consultant is just going
through checking everything making sure
we're you know we have what we want even
the conversations that I had today with
Brian to get to that map with just those
two streets you know that's efficient
like I said is I I don't want to ber it
but like this map here this is the only
reason is that this particular map here
is I just always remind myself that if
we were a town or a village most of the
what color streets are they the green
and the red streets we wouldn't be able
to do it cuz they wouldn't be ours they
would be somebody else's jurisdiction
and so you know if they're not doing it
they're not even entertaining it I just
want to make sure that we're stepping
forward correctly um so you know have
faith and I will I will be back and
we'll have it could you send would you
mind sending this I will send this out I
meant to I was trying to hand it out and
I did not have the but I will send it to
to thank you thank you very very much
any other questions thank you very much
any other questions or concerns for
public Committee hearing on may have a
motion to
adourn so second all those in favor I we
are adjourned like to call to order the
finance committee we have two items on
the agenda tonight the first of which is
a call for public hearing to collect
feedback from City residents on the cdbg
CV funding to prevent prepare for and
respond to coronavirus projects Mr
P hi my name is Ban Kar I'm looking for
the second public hearing for the uh the
C CD BG fund we got for the Corona virus
pray of prent and uh that to do with
that so uh
that's my ask
is thank you any questions or comments
when was the first public heing
he it should be uh in the beginning of
2022 so Mar that was the first one of
March
2022 and in terms of the reporting um
how does this work in terms of
development and they being a part of the
reporting because I know they're very
involved with cdbg so this part of it is
this also include something that
development has to report the HUD or is
this separate in the par from that it
says I think it's a separate funding
this 2.6 Grand million was for the
separate from what B had so this was for
the deployment for the Wi-Fi you know
and we did uh um work with Daily Gazette
for the community uh development news
and things like that so probably can see
the news in their Gip code on their area
what is going on and also one was the
stay well that is uh we partnered with
hospital to put on um one device called
ion to see if somebody has fever or
anything like that for the uh immun
deficiency uh
patient thank you any other questions or
concerns yes Mr chairman it's just it's
part of the close out
process because of this pot of money
it's under the car's act they required
if you do if you get the money one
public hearing and then this is the
close out publicar hearing so this is
part of the closeout PO process so um
this is part of theed process back to
the thank you uh any
others may have a
motion so Mo I'll second all those in
favor the next item on the agenda is the
ARA der foundation/ Empowerment Center
uh and car resource center fund
reallocation m
good evening mayor and City Council
Members before I move into my
legislative request Madam president okay
if I just share for a
moment so we're here today talking about
ARA next week I'm coming up on my one
year here with the city of SKC so it had
me reflecting on that time my second day
on the job Anthony and Dereck says hey
Alex do you remind on reporting on R for
the city council and I came up here
really reading off of a paper trying to
figure it out so we have come a long way
in 12 months and I just wanted to say a
couple of thank yous um first off Mr
Mayor thank you thank you thank you
thank you for your open door policy
where allow me the space to come into
your office five out of five days to be
my authentic self with your leadership
and guidance given to me I appreciate
you to the city council members thank
you thank you so much thank you for your
dedication to the residents and taxpayer
here at the city and some of you thank
you for your support in more ways than
one you know who you are thank you for
the calls the check in I truly
appreciate it to my colleagues here at
the city of SKC who have made the
transition in this role and helping me
get acclimated to support answering all
of my silly questions Chris Wallen Chris
Lum Paul Leon Al the maintenance team
the Law Department ban and my buddies
and it codes Molly the entire Finance
team my city clerk family the mayor's
office and their team as I would say l
Dy and everybody and last but certainly
not not leas my wonderful wonderful team
in the department of development we have
succeeded four HUD audits in the last 12
months revamped our collaborative tree
program managed over $17.1 million in
federal funding 14 million of that is
the ARA funding that was pushed out to
our local organizations and nonprofits
and the City of SKC the remainder is our
cdbg home and ESG funding we've
identified the gaps in our processes
we've updated our internal processes and
procedures for Community Development
we've even implemented a new CRM system
to manage Our Community Development
Federal fundings we've established
internal workflows including other
departments we have increased in
capacity which was a big deal we on
boarded two part-time Community
Development team members a Community
Development supervisor and an assistant
planner and most of all the morale in my
department is boosted and I just wanted
to simply just take a couple minutes to
thank each and every one of you for your
partnership to the community for giving
me grace and patience as I learned in
the Justin this we've been walking all
year so get ready we're going to start
jogging so thank you and I I see the
mayor is getting terized so I probably
should move on my legislative request
you're not going anywhere right
no she's got she's got an official
shirt um so today we are addressing arpa
funding D Foundation Empowerment Center
and the Carver re resource center for
reallocation the arpa allocation for
Empowerment Center and D total $1
m75 $875,000 of that was allocated to
the Empowerment Center and2 200,000 was
allocated to the DOR Foundation the
Carver Center had
$1,250,000 allocated for their
Rehabilitation and that was noted in
resolution
22-
214 today the DOR Foundation is asking
to separate their $200,000 ARA
allocation from the Empowerment Center
in addition they are requesting
$139,400 from the Empowerment Center
allocation giving them a total of
$339,500 to be used for operating cost
at the 311 huet Street property the
second ask is the Empowerment Center the
Empowerment Center ARA allocation amount
that would be left if we give Derby the
additional
139,900 would be7 94
sorry forgive me the the Empowerment
Center balance to date is
$794,000 that they are asking for in
addition to their 200k the balance for
the Empowerment Center will be
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$654,900
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$1,250,000 remain with the Carver Center
in addition to the balance left from the
Empowerment Center of the
$654,900
4$ 1,
94786 thank you so the ask is the city
council consider the above that was just
noted
any questions or
comments inspect I fully support um the
idea of giving the Dory Foundation which
I always mispronounced I thought it was
du but okay um the uh
$39,375
3 um we attend a couple a few of us
attended the meeting the other day and
they are currently doing that work um so
this would allow them to continue doing
that work so I do support that um and
then obviously the next one is just what
the balance would then be for the
Empowerment Center um I still have some
questions about the the Carver um so I
wanted to hear a little bit more about
um that perhaps from in terms of I know
that in terms of the building and and
maybe from the mayor in terms of what
you what you thought um moving forward
with that but I I really would like to
support the I don't know if you want to
do this separately or as one but well
have to do sep resolutions for for the
um for J and then we'll have to discuss
the other part of
it so I'd be happy to make them well I
think we going leave it open to others
to have questions or comments okay any
so I I attended the meeting where um D
came and asked for their additional
funding and I just you know want to
point out that it's been a couple years
since we've been going down this road
with this funding and in the meantime
we've we've funded multiple other
projects and so we're getting to the
point where we have to be at the end of
this year have to allocate These funds
in order for that for it to you know
otherwise we would not be able to
allocate it to this agency so I'm in
full support of this keeping in mind
that initial initially Zuri asked for a
lot more money however in the process a
couple years ago they were put together
with the empowerments that are not at
their request but as as a decision in
development um prior so um to me for
them to ask now for this amount of money
um which is still overall less than what
they were asking for and it's not stated
here but their project is uh cost is
more because they have to they already
have a building but they have already
gone ahead and gotten the funding to do
the building initially they asked for us
for the funding but it took so long that
they um went to another source to make
sure that they had the money for the
funding so we would have to change it in
that way as well because the use of the
funds are now to do programming as
opposed to um rehabing the building
because but they've already got funding
for that so additional money and also
change of use the CH they in our in the
resolution previously done it was just
for programm and not for Rehab 200,000
so we would okay but we just have to
increase it yes all right so I'm I'm
fully in support of of of that and for
just for clarity the Empowerment Center
as it stands will not exist at 818
Albany Street which was originally the
process and some of the money that
you'll see that's gone from the budget
is went to into stabilizing the building
so but that's not where it would happen
so the Empowerment Center would be a
part of the caror Cooperative project
that that's being worked on uh so it
doesn't exists in its own as a stand
alone because you know people that's
been a question that's been kicked
around but the services that they would
provide would exist within um the Carver
building so um and and and let me just
say I do support uh that we continue
moving ahead and look for other funding
in order to do this project within with
in Harbor just taking a look at the
community and the investment that we
need to have happen people have
continually been asking I know it's been
a road and one organization who had it
and then they moved away from it that
doesn't mean that the need has gone away
the need still exists so um the city
we've identified ways to support other
organizations and agencies so I suggest
that we strongly look at ways and uh to
to uh support this organization and
agency in a community that's really um
that needs a service and Carver's been
staple know it's been a while and just
for the facts it wasn't people from the
community it wasn't under their control
that it went to its current state so
just want to state that as well but I
would support us not only giving this
funding but finding other ways to help
them get other funding and and nailing
down I know they said they have other
funding sources but nailing those down
and finding out what those gaps are so
to see if there's ways that we can um
close the gap they said they had a a
verbal commit from the county and I
forgot the other source Sant Barb and
Santa Barbara's office so they said they
had verbal commitments and I recommend
rather than counting them out that we
look at what those commitments are and
get them strong commitments and then see
how we can fill a gap to move this that
project forward as well any other
questions or comments on Mr yeah so I
would absolutely U 100% support our and
I would just note that I think that even
this um their request is extremely
humble um I think that's it's a very
humble request Bas of the work that
they've been doing already without us
being able to get them the resources
that they needed in a timely manner one
indicator of someone's dedication to a
project is that they're going to find a
way and so they haven't been just
talking they've been really doing and I
think that um you know not only do I
think that we need to support them with
they're ass I think that you know I
appreciate all the work that you're
doing in your office we're so blessed to
have you here and I think a big part of
that work is partnering with them to
even not only help them with the
resources that we can give them but
helping finding some more other
resources to support the work they're
doing I think it's absolute no-brainer
and I would really struggle to find out
why anybody else at the table would
think anything
different any other question there yeah
I attended the meeting as well my
question is on the
Carver there was some concern to have
enough money for the building
rehab um operational costs are another
is not part of the request
and that's another conversation but the
building do we will this 1.25 plus the 6
154,000 get us there do do we know would
look for the council to just deal with
the dur uh component of this tonight and
look to put together those other numbers
cuz right now I'm not comfortable with
enough money on the table to do the
appropriate rehab or the rehab that's
been outline in that building that we're
still working on that I been support
forward
that well that's why I'm saying they've
had other verbal commitments so we would
look to them to get those firm
commitments to see if they could get to
whatever that whatever the number is the
mayor stated at the meeting that it
needed to was going to be higher than it
was when they initially asked for but
they're not there's no one present from
the organization tonight but they did
say that they you know had a plan so we
would have to hear what their plan is
and how much funding they had to back
their plan okay Patrick yeah I'd like to
say that I mean again the players that
were here the other night I I support
them and I um have talked with both of
them the folks that were here the other
day from Carver um and I
just it's gone through a lot of changes
over the years um even just since I've
been on Council in terms of what the
mission statement was for the um
programming within the Carver so um I do
want to say that I support that aspect
of course of of what's Happening um and
I do appreciate also that I know that um
from M Carver's office that there'd be
support and there'd be technical
assistance which is something we've
talked about for a long time uh so that
would be really great as well um I would
say that one of the things that we did
when we did award them the initial arpa
funding when it was in a previous
incarnation um we had a we had a
contingency in terms of you know by when
they would get the remaining funds um in
place solidly to be able to move forward
with the project and so I just throw
that out to see what people think about
that and whether we need to do that
again because we are coming up on you
know a deadline of being able to spend
the money in a way
that you know we want to make sure that
money gets spent um by the time that the
federal government needs us to have it
spent so I just throw that out there so
I'd say what I feel comfortable um
saying is first I want to make sure we
give credit to the individuals that got
us this conversation that was the
original crew for like a better words
that was leading that Miracle on credit
conversation uh very much there was a
lot of learning and uh carrying this
conversation throughout truly a pandemic
uh and it was a credit to their uh
dedication not only to the community but
seeing that this building that was
dilapitated comes back to life uh from
that there were a lot of questions about
uh their ability to kind of structure
and make sure that ourselves as
legislators we feel comfortable
designated large swaps of money because
we need to have a plan in place and I
see the transition and transformation
that has happened since then with this
new uh I guess reinvigoration of this
current um project and how how it was
presented to us I understand that this
is not going to fully fill that Gap but
there have been other projects that have
not been fully allocated for and that we
have comfortably allowed them time to
continue as is reference YWCA and the
confidence and their ability to fill
those gaps I think there was a slight
hole not not and in compar in comparison
to the entire budget our reflection was
we trust that you will figure it
out as we've had these conversations it
has talked about equitability and being
transparent with not just our community
with this project uh again I think the
additional money allocating to that this
gets them closer I think as Miss pfield
has identified there are other players
external Partners who's similar to what
happened beautifully with my side where
this funding stream was able to be
identified to keep this resource within
our
city I am confident this will be able to
occur again and then in my conversations
with members of their program team it
was made clear that if we were able to
position the city in a way that we could
leverage our capacity that again will
make that Gap slightly smaller and then
just so I can capture this for everyone
in the room but also listening again
getting to the end of the year doesn't
mean the project has to be done the
money is has to be a lotted so there's
truly no timeline in place as long as we
can confidently say we are moving
forward I don't think it is anyone's
interest to have fund a project but
again keep it in line with the manner in
which we respond to other projects I
don't think saying no or waiting I think
that sends a disservice to
them so your to manag abely uh any
questions or comments I'm Sorry Miss
Patrick well I just I do want to back up
because some of the other organizations
that approached us for uh funding for
example thew to your
example has been in operation for
decades um successfully doing doing
their work so this is a is different
because we will be taking a chance on an
organization that has not at all started
their work
um in this in this Incarnation so again
I respect the leadership of the new
project um but it's apples and oranges
to try to compare it to something like
the YW because the YW has been
successfully doing their work for I want
to say like 100 years or something 135
years so you know we know that making
that investment um there was experience
and expertise there um with a track
record for how they were going to use
the fund so I just I just wanted to
clarify that Mr So to that um I would
say that when we talk about um funding
and funding allocation in terms of eff
what we have to understand is some
someone like the Y who has been around
for a long time doing a lot of valuable
work part of the reason why they can do
that work is because they have the
capacity to do the work so we're talking
about Grassroots initiatives and not
making decisions for people but making
decisions with people part of the the
culture if you will um of the original
intent was that things would have moved
a lot faster and even more maybe
efficient from a business lens if if the
leadership group there was just saying
this is what the community needs and
this is what we're going to do really
what they're saying is that they're
getting getting that feedback from the
community um they're leveraging um what
is tons of Highly highly skilled people
and highly skilled people uh skill sets
within the community to come together to
to to make this project work so when you
look at it through the lens of this is
community
based um and not just you know they
don't have the same capacity of some of
our big box nonprofits that have been
doing the work for some time then that's
literally the definition of equity is
that you're giving people what they need
in order to be successful luckily to the
why for years and years of funding and
support um and other nonprofits that
have benefited from um uh systemically
unjust and inequitable system of course
they're in a position to do some of the
work that they're doing look at a a
project like um what we're referring to
as Carver at this point you know they
haven't had that institutional support
for um the decades so I don't expect so
to your point it is apples apples to
oranges but maybe if we're looking at it
from a different advantage point it's
just highlights the extreme inequitable
and injust treatment of small community
um nonprofit trying to do big work and
I'm glad that we're all in support of D
because I think that even though
something like d has not came to us
multiple times over decades fund and
they've been doing work in the community
for 180 years so it's like when we think
about that just because we haven't seen
the work that's been done um in that
more in that broader scope of like a a
nonprofit sector the people that are at
the helm of this have been doing the
work collectively I would say for for at
least 100 years all the people that you
have the leadership so you have to
really make sure that we're
acknowledging that because that's the
definition of
equity we're not doing that any other
questions or comments uh m um so I just
wanted to highlight that with the
investment that the city is making on a
crave name connection it's important
that we address the Carver Center one
way or another um so I just want to
stress that we we have a lot of money
that we are putting in um to that
project so to we need to find a way to
execute it I know that um the mayor has
suggested that the city may keep
ownership and give the co-op a pathway
to ownership but that still doesn't take
that still doesn't take the pressure off
the city with being able to find the
funds for The Gap um it's not a one
person thing here this is going to take
the collective um the collective group
because or else the mayor will be upset
with me for
saying so um yes I was going to bring
the Craig name that's coming up so I
think that's important that we keep that
in mind we would just want to have a
building that's standing there and I
don't want to call it deric cuz it's you
know uh it's not deric it's actually
standing pretty strong for the number of
years in it's been there it's you know
and the um the mlc group PRI to this did
some Sweat Equity inside so they really
tried really hard but let's keep in mind
they weren't actually given any um
funding necessarily it was on a
reimbursement basis which was
challenging for a small organization and
to say that you know the Y has been
doing work for a very long time but
they've also got continuous support even
in this instance the money that we um
providing for this project for um
consistently cdbg over the years so they
have that track record because we've
been supporting it over those years so
we when we start looking at newer
organizations I'm going to use the Coco
house they've been around for a while
and they did a lot on their own um and
the reason they're able to substate even
though they're much newer than the YW is
because the city provided that support
as well and they moved forward so I and
I see us trying to do the same kind of
thing with the Carter which has been
there for very long time but because
because of the leadership at the time it
it just went on
so um to respond to a community response
and then as a city to to look at it the
same way we look at some long
established agencies like the why I
think it's important for us to do and
not to just have it standing there we
can't build beautiful around it and do
this wonderful cman connection and
narrow the streets and have a bike path
and do all that stuff and then have the
building there unkempt so I I really we
have to you know pull that plan together
help with that plan so that it can move
forward and the city's keeping ownership
until they can move a pathway then
that's fine but something we can't just
say nothing any other questions or
comments uh so hearing n
sorry I I fully support public
initiatives and and now as a associate
commissioner of the state we invested a
$9 million project into how we grow 9
million grow yeah how do we you know Jal
Justice settings how do we grow like so
the big box AG don't get bigger how do
we find ways to invest in those
Community Based agencies that serve the
community that live that the agencies in
those communities are growing and not
necessarily those larger agencies um so
I I fully support this initiative the
only
what sorry so so but but working at a
nonprofit I do see the challenges in in
in m in maintaining and getting these
funding sources and how labor intensive
they are um um first thing I think we
need to look at is do we have enough to
do we have the building if we
do and haror project doesn't come up
with the funding to start operational
programming do we not give them the
building I mean are there contingencies
we like our commitment here is to reh
have a building and do we move ahead
with that but if the operational funding
is not there or we're not satisfied with
that we still transfer ownership and we
give them opportunities to start
operations and then decide that I I mean
I don't know if those are options to
consider but I I think as much as we can
as a body and work with the count and
make this work we should make it work I
I like the concepts I I like the
opportunities of programming in the
communities that they serve um just like
how do we collectively find a way to
help them make that work it's possible
um I like the momentum I like The
Passion of the people that allow to
serve their community and and and
partner with us and I I would just like
to you know um keep that momentum going
and see what we can do both as the
council and the county and look at ways
we can make this work so I would say in
part to that there's a reflection of
teamwork and that no one person or no
one organization is successful on their
own I would say case in point by that
lovely lovely uh uh depiction of all the
work that you've done in a short amount
of time truly is a reflection of not
yourself it is the the supports that you
have surrounding you in no way as you
discussed the Carver project has there
any sense of concern or weariness I
think it is all the more confidence that
if you can apply the successful measures
that you allowed to successfully Drive
these other projects into closing which
truly is an accomplishment I don't know
if anyone remembers where we were a year
ago uh we are in a truly different place
thank you to your leadership and joining
this Sky family Sky Team um but where
they are now is not a depiction of of
where of where they will remain is kind
of what I'm getting at so there's no
wishful thinking or or hopeful
conjecture truly that the like you said
the momentum is going forward so are we
going to salate that or are we going to
get behind them and push harder and I
think we do that by making the decision
tonight and allowing Miss Carver to
continue doing the work that is evident
so that this group this this this
community carver can move forward and
then we transition our Focus to
addressing how how do we bring in Secure
those funding those funding streams and
those dollars so that we have that not
as a hope but as a a a a cemented
commitment so with that any other
questions or
comments Mr Harley so just I don't I I I
really want to be mindful that cuz what
I'm hearing I don't think that we are uh
pting one agency's records against
another I want to be clear that that
that's that's what I'm hearing from any
of my fellow council members what I'm
what I'm thinking I'm hearing inment
from is concerns about sustainability
once you make the investment in the
project and I think that the Equitable
response to that is to assist as much as
we can help to capacity build to make
sure that um that that the project is a
success and really just check the way
that we are valuing the skill sets of
the people that are involved with the
project CU again even though there might
not be that institutional um length of
track record there's definitely um
individual success in the work that's
been happening in the community and that
is one of some of the things that people
like at the big nonprofits that's the
talent that they seek to go hire people
from the community to do what they're
doing so that's a really um valuable
skill set so I think that we I just want
to uplift and amplify that and at the
same time I think that we all are kind
of talking the same language or just
trying to figure out the best we for
right yes I just have to say in defense
of my profession of being in nonprofit
and being a fundraiser in nonprofit from
which I'm now retired but I have to say
that I don't consider big box as an
appropriate term for a Bethesda house a
SCA a YWCA a City Mission they're all
organizations that struggle
struggle to well I'm just saying I mean
I I guess I I just have to say that
they're all in my mind small nonprofits
serving this community meeting a need
each one of them has a mission that they
are definitely um you know serving the
people that come to them for services
and they all I can tell you from my
years of working in this community um as
a fundraiser they are out there pound
indoors um every day trying to find the
funding that they need uh to exist to
excel to succeed so none of them have
money trees in the backyard as my father
used to accuse me of thinking he had um
they all are needing to really pound the
pavement and look for dollars um so I
just I just I support what yall are
saying and I'm I I'll vote the way
you're saying but I just want to go back
the agencies that I had in mind were not
anything that was started locally they
ser State have every Community
throughout the state got yeah okay
thanks yeah so for clarity um there are
these things like so let's just talk
about the the the infrastructure really
quickly about the the agencies that I'm
talking about when I say Big B
nonprofits I'm talking about you know an
operation budget you know that's you
know over you know5 $6 million you know
what I mean that's what that's what I
mean um do you could tell through my
voting record of supporting these
agencies um and my uh contribution
showing up over the years that I
definitely support and value them what
I'm saying is that if we look at the
city's track record of how we've been
allocating funds to certain nonprofits
it's been happening over a period of
time years and years and years and I
continue I think we should continue
along that path but it's but we need to
be clear that when we're talking about
Equitable we can't just say that word if
we're not going to do
it doing it is looking at the scope of
what people's capacity is recognizing
the strengths and then are if we're in a
if we're in a position to help them then
we can't just support them in words we
need to do it in actions and that's what
I'm saying so again I feel like the
conversation is going towards like we're
starting to pit them against each other
and that's not what we need to be doing
no I don't think anybody's doing that
what I'm saying is what I'm saying is
the man's point I speak for myself very
very clearly is that I I've never
insinuated that did any of these
nonprofits have more money than what
they know to do with I'm saying that if
there is a set plot of money then we
have decisions to make and we need to
make those decisions equitably if we're
going to say that word every other five
minutes so i' say as I prepare to call
for a motion I would say just so it's
clear and understood my position in no
way do I plan to deviate from getting to
a a point where you are comfortable with
supporting all all this money in my mind
needs to go to Carver uh Point Blank and
I thank the work that your team has done
and getting us to this pathway and I
think with that that is one of what's so
many remaining steps in line to get them
into a grand opening where the community
can truly Embrace this resource once
again uh so with that if there are no
other questions or comments um so yeah
so I just want to point out Miss M
Carver has mentioned this before that in
terms of looking at the funding sources
she's looking at how who we funded over
and over again in ways to increase that
funding to other organizations that have
not had the ability to do that so that
is something among the all other many
things that she's doing so well that
that she is looking at so we you as a
council be able to see that coming
forward as
well uh kind left I looking for some
discretion do we need to look at each of
these items
individually on this one okay perfect so
may I have a motion about proceeding
forward with the Dury reot so Mo second
all those in favor I I and then the
remaining items we will come before the
council again and we'll come back with
discussion after this all right thank
you again thank you thank you thank you
are there any other items to follow the
finance committee none may have motion
to adourn so move second all those in
favor I we areour thank you I'd like to
call the order of City development and
planning there are 11 items on the
agenda okay I'm just going to wait a
minute cuz it look like the room the
clear
pass sneaky could you move him away from
the
door no thank
you they're going to listen to
the okay so I've called together um City
development planning our first item on
the agenda is a word bidden contract for
disconnected City Hall ventilation
replacement Mr
Wallen hello hi I feel unpopular now
uh so the first one we have here SED
City Hall ventilation
is no no I'm just trying
that this is one of two bids we did not
get a bid for the mechanical portion of
it it is out uh as a rebid right now but
there's no reason that we can't reward
the electrical portion of it um what
this is to do is one of my bucketless
projects when I started uh was to
reinstate the broken ventilation system
in City Hall um that system will not um
affect most of the rooms however it will
affect the bathrooms and it will affect
the council chambers room as those are
the rooms that have uh ventilation
systems in them all the ventilation
system does is exhaust air and pull air
from the hallways it is technology from
1940 but it will uh allow the building
to breathe a little bit um and so we
would like to put that system back into
place any questions or comments I'll
move in I'll second all in
favor thank you item number two is award
bidden contract for the SKC City Hall
Clock Tower restoration to Midstate
Industries L
limited so this is uh exactly it says
restoration of the existing Clock Tower
um as we know the anniversary the Clock
Tower from the down recently we they
covered that and um The Clock Tower does
refurbishment uh a lot of the wood that
makes up some of the decorative pieces
is rotten um there is peeling paint what
we wanted to do is repaint but we don't
want to repaint onto bad wood um we also
are going to Reg gold the the Dome
replace the clock faces in the works and
make sure right now they're a little
loose so the times are different around
so it would be a total refurbishment of
the clock power um Midstate Industries
is the group that is also doing the
refurbishment of the northbury pump
station
they're familiar with the city we worked
with them on several projects so we're
comfortable with them and their price
was significantly less than the second
bit which is also and the money is
already in the budget for the capital
budget for this yes this is coming from
a capital facility code not any kind of
an arban code this was something that we
bonded this year
okay yes Mr Toro oh hi thank you um the
difference between the
$1,608 and 800 and down to what they sh
what is the difference the 58 why why is
it so different yeah I did not call the
second bidder oh okay
I I didn't see that I saw PT just they
would have made a lot more
money we we call that leaving money on
the table I don't know why I see number
one and number two there you go got
it I did talk with them just to let you
know I thought the question would come
up um this is a spring project not a
winter project just the scaffolding
alone we talked with u Midstate just a
scaffolding alone will take a month to
set up wow so once the scaffolding gets
set up takes a month to set up then we
have work we're going to be into just
inclement weather and we thought that
instead of trying to leave it up or do
just start in the spring get it done
because it's going to be very elaborate
to give me
this any other questions or comments
I'll move it I'll second all those in
favor I I thank you item number three
was going to be the ceremonial renaming
of the city street um was put on Mr mud
Mr mud was unable to be here tonight so
we will I'll ask him and we'll probably
move that out for two weeks um you know
the information is in your packet and
I'm sure that all of you have received
emails regarding this particular
discussion so we'll bring that back in
two
weeks remaining items are all for um
executive session their property sales
so I would entertain a motion to go to
the executive session so I'll second all
those in favor I IA session members of
the public would have to leave
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