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[8:28] we're uh convening health and Recreation
[8:30] committee because um we started a
[8:33] discussion about um pool fees and rules
[8:36] um I had given out um fees and and rules
[8:40] from several
[8:41] different uh
[8:43] city city I I I sent I gave you guys Aly
[8:47] Troy Colony gildin Muna and Glenville uh
[8:52] to look over um at our last meeting but
[8:55] it was just so much information that we
[8:57] decided that we were just going to have
[8:58] to take it home and read a lot of it and
[9:01] then get back together um
[9:06] I what you have in front of you is a
[9:08] draft what I did was I took the
[9:10] information that Mr lefon gave us which
[9:14] was on the existing signage at Central
[9:17] Park uh regarding the rules uh that are
[9:20] posted there there's only a few of them
[9:22] posted I sent you guys those those
[9:25] photos um so I those are in here but I
[9:29] also then looked at the other all those
[9:33] other paper those papers and just pulled
[9:36] things that I thought were important um
[9:38] but obviously this was just my first
[9:41] stab um so that we'd have something to
[9:44] discuss um so obviously I don't and and
[9:47] the other thing I want to state is that
[9:50] again um we made it clear that whatever
[9:52] we talk about would not be going into
[9:54] effect until the summer of 2025 cor
[9:57] especially since this pool is was uh
[9:59] about to close down for the summer in a
[10:02] couple of weeks at least um the other
[10:05] thing we talked about was that
[10:07] everything should be uniform across all
[10:09] of our city pools um so so that's that's
[10:13] all I have that I'm giving to you um so
[10:16] you can see that these are the hours
[10:18] this is so the hours that I'm giving you
[10:20] are for Central Park um the capacity is
[10:23] for Central Park
[10:26] um my thought is that we would not
[10:29] charge city of connect residents any fee
[10:32] to get into the
[10:36] pool do you need do you need no I I I
[10:39] thought I made copies for everybody of
[10:41] just things that I oh that you had that
[10:43] I have but I we can make copies if you
[10:46] want well no no I can as we're talking I
[10:49] can okay so do you think are we any
[10:53] agreement that um residents would be
[10:55] free I'm in agreement residents should
[10:58] be free at this
[10:59] okay Joe I know you're not on this
[11:01] committee but just in terms of your
[11:03] input yeah I think I would support the
[11:06] residence for f okay and then at least
[11:10] you know until the next time we look
[11:11] over it okay um yeah cuz we I mean we
[11:15] have we're obviously way ahead of the
[11:17] curve I mean the only thing that I would
[11:18] say is that we do want to make sure that
[11:21] we have a discussion before the budget
[11:23] gets passed because if we have to come
[11:25] up with new signage which we will um
[11:28] then that needs to get incorporated into
[11:30] the city budget request but I don't I
[11:32] don't think it's a huge lift I mean it's
[11:34] only you know it's not that many pools
[11:36] it's not you know those signs I don't
[11:38] think are that we' only need like you
[11:40] know a few signs it's not like did the
[11:42] other um proposals you receed did they
[11:46] charge
[11:47] residents some
[11:50] some family charges Colony no um palisa
[11:56] no but guests I don't know if we had
[12:00] um Glenville had uh where was Glenville
[12:04] pool Mohawk River Park and pool is that
[12:07] that is Glenville right not yeah I
[12:09] wasn't you know they had a pool out
[12:11] there so they they have a fob that they
[12:15] that you can go and get a fog right so
[12:18] they charge a resent if you show up with
[12:19] no fog they charge $2 I'm going I can
[12:22] give you this to look at um well colony
[12:27] is resident restricted and I I think so
[12:29] is um miss yuno that it's only residence
[12:33] and tent there is a charge uh family
[12:36] pass of
[12:39] $125 so there are there are yeah and
[12:42] then they down at it also say for
[12:44] residents are $5 for adults and $3 go
[12:48] down a little bit further on that Maxine
[12:50] Maxine that's because those were my
[12:52] suggest prices next to as
[12:55] well
[12:57] here's yeah so so here's a here's a few
[13:00] of
[13:02] those
[13:04] hi um yeah so this was just me abely
[13:09] open putting things out there so as far
[13:11] as the hours I would like to see them
[13:13] 12: to 6 not only Saturday and Sunday
[13:16] but forever not forever um just said
[13:20] 12:30 right I wonder why that is that
[13:22] it's 12:30 one day and 12:00 the other
[13:25] days Saturdays and Sundays um I don't
[13:28] know since the poison the Girls Club you
[13:29] know take care of the lifeguarding I
[13:32] just thought it would be nice to
[13:34] be Universal throughout um I guess 6:30
[13:39] I mean either or but as long as they're
[13:41] Monday through you know the same
[13:45] hours I think for I mean I can at least
[13:47] speak to Central Park on Sundays I think
[13:50] one of the reasons that it closes
[13:51] earlier is because music aen starts at
[13:53] 7:00 so they were concerned about
[13:55] parking issues for music a um to have
[13:59] the earlier time but we could always go
[14:00] 12:00 to 6:00 I I don't know I just kind
[14:02] of likeed at 6:30 is you know you got
[14:05] parents coming home from work um you
[14:08] know maybe you want the pool close they
[14:10] get the kids up on their way home they
[14:11] want to go home and have dinner I I I
[14:13] don't know I just thought it should be
[14:14] Universal yeah know that makes that
[14:16] makes sense it makes signage easier it
[14:17] makes rules easier when you have things
[14:20] the same so what about um you had
[14:23] mentioned before are is this something
[14:25] that we're responsible to do or I'm
[14:28] hearing out jury's out um the city
[14:31] council it sounds like according to um
[14:34] president pfield the city council would
[14:35] be able to set
[14:38] fees um but not necessarily the rules
[14:41] but what I explained to her was that I
[14:43] thought that she called me the other day
[14:45] um that we could at least make
[14:48] recommendations about new rules right
[14:50] because I fees and she said we couldn't
[14:54] set fees I I thought that's what she
[14:55] said at our our meeting we we normally
[14:58] set fees we do everything okay so the
[15:01] fees we can do but the U pool
[15:04] rules she said we couldn't do um but I
[15:08] said I'm still having the meeting
[15:09] because I think we we should have a
[15:11] voice and we should have input into
[15:12] recommendations that we could at least
[15:14] pass pass on to who well right now we
[15:18] don't have a Parks director so right now
[15:20] um the parks director did report to Mr
[15:23] leond um so I would hope that if we have
[15:26] a new parks director uh coming on board
[15:29] that um it would be still under Mr Leon
[15:32] so or just to Mr lefon what we think is
[15:35] appropriate yeah that's what I think we
[15:37] could make the recommendations
[15:40] to the mayor and the
[15:44] mayor good I just want to clarify that
[15:46] that's a good point let me just write
[15:48] that
[15:49] down I just think Universal times either
[15:53] you know 12
[15:54] to I I will say that I've been remiss in
[15:57] that I have not looked at what is stated
[16:00] or is in place for on Front Street or um
[16:04] quack and Bush so Quack and
[16:06] Bush so I would have to do that but
[16:08] again I think we're way way ahead of the
[16:11] curve here I mean in terms of you know
[16:13] it's just it's just the idea of making
[16:15] sure that there's money in the budget
[16:16] for
[16:17] signage is the only
[16:20] uh do we so uh do we
[16:23] know the process of they keep track of
[16:26] who comes and who's the city resident
[16:28] who's not so if we had to look at it we
[16:30] would know they they do um check
[16:33] identification at the entrance but again
[16:36] that's a whole another Topic in terms of
[16:38] you know did we want
[16:40] to we we actually touched on this as a
[16:42] council at one of our previous meetings
[16:44] recently where we talked about um some
[16:46] sort of ID and one of the suggestions
[16:49] that I think the mayor made was that um
[16:52] the school district does issue IDs to
[16:55] its students so um you know we could use
[16:58] we to talk with them think Mr Carle said
[17:00] they were collected at the end of the
[17:02] year the school IDs so we'd have to talk
[17:05] with the school district and see if
[17:06] there's a way to piggy back on some sort
[17:08] of ID that way for the kids but I
[17:09] actually like the idea of a recreational
[17:11] pass of some sort um the issue would be
[17:15] that people would well what we would do
[17:19] I'm just brainstorming here but what we
[17:21] would do is we'd set up tables outside
[17:23] the pools um before the pools were going
[17:25] to be open and we would publicize that
[17:28] you know you want to come and get your
[17:29] ID we could also like for example piggy
[17:32] back with um the summer lunch program or
[17:35] something like that where we're making
[17:36] sure that the sheriff's fingerprinting
[17:39] which is all over this summer the unity
[17:41] cups things like that Summer's already
[17:44] started but yeah so we'd have so it
[17:46] would be an expense I'm sure it would be
[17:49] um but again I think um the mayor
[17:51] mentioned that that last I think it was
[17:53] a committee meeting um that he didn't
[17:56] see it being a huge expense to um like
[17:59] to see like what's at your doctor's
[18:00] office where you give them your name and
[18:02] your picture pops up so that you know
[18:04] who's going to lose their lanyard right
[18:07] their P the right iPads or something
[18:09] that right that they that they check do
[18:12] do they
[18:14] yeah well that's something to consider
[18:17] but um I I just looked at Front Street
[18:20] briefly and it's it's 12 to 600 closed
[18:22] every day closed on
[18:24] Sunday so well we wouldn't want to do
[18:27] that with
[18:29] the other two the other two um pools are
[18:32] closed on Sunday oh they are qu and Bush
[18:34] also yeah pardon me Quack and bushes y
[18:38] so the only one um open on on the
[18:40] weekends is Central Park on Sunday y
[18:43] I've gotten an email
[18:45] from individuals saying they didn't want
[18:48] the you know the neighborhood pool
[18:50] should be open you know it's hard for
[18:51] them to get to whever that's why I know
[18:53] they were both
[18:55] closed I don't know why they would be
[18:58] closed on Sunday they to
[19:02] you Staffing maybe I don't know well
[19:05] yeah I mean so that would be another
[19:06] budgetary piece is that if we decided
[19:09] that we wanted all three pools open on
[19:11] Sundays uh as well then we would have to
[19:14] pay for additional Staffing through the
[19:16] boys and girls club for
[19:20] that so do are you ready like in other
[19:24] words in terms of that would we like to
[19:26] see all all the I would like to see
[19:29] neighborhood
[19:30] 126 um Monday through Sunday y all
[19:34] neighborhood
[19:35] pools as well as the city
[19:42] for
[19:44] okay all right your next um as far as
[19:48] about lap swim Monday through Friday 8
[19:50] to 9: of course I'd also like a senior
[19:53] swim and as well where where seniors can
[19:55] just go in the LA is for the lap Lanes
[19:59] um with eventually some type of water
[20:02] arobics but um and I'm wondering why
[20:05] it's 8 to9 I I guess I would like to see
[20:08] it maybe 10:30 to 12 or or 11 to 12 I
[20:12] think we have to ask that question right
[20:15] um mov it closer to the actual starting
[20:17] time it might be maybe they were trying
[20:20] to be able to have people go to work not
[20:22] seniors but I mean regular adults I mean
[20:24] other adults oh the right the the adult
[20:26] lap swim yes but I I to throw a senior
[20:29] in there like the adult lap you would
[20:31] kind of think like when when we could go
[20:33] to the high school it was like 6:00 a.m.
[20:37] before school opened I know um so that's
[20:41] that's you know probably the earliest
[20:43] time you know but I'm I'm thinking the
[20:46] you know uh I would like a
[20:48] senior swim um maybe 1030 they don't
[20:53] have to be in a lap they could do the
[20:54] aerobics or something like that
[20:57] so maybe 10 10:30 to 11:30 let's say
[21:00] right before the before the uh I think
[21:03] that's kind of important um lot of
[21:05] seniors been asking for it um there used
[21:07] to be the the the swim club at the
[21:10] Romana that was huge and then when that
[21:13] closed down um everybody went to the
[21:15] high school I went there for years and
[21:17] in the high school you know you can't go
[21:19] there any longer I Dr Cotto said you
[21:22] it's open again but I think so too but I
[21:25] I haven't gotten anything it's really I
[21:27] did it through the why at one point the
[21:30] YMCA had taken over that's how if you
[21:32] were a YMCA member you could go to the
[21:34] span the high school pool and they did
[21:36] do water robics and that thing I like it
[21:39] was not um the environment wasn't great
[21:43] in the locker rooms um so I sto I
[21:46] stopped doing that um but but so that's
[21:48] something I I think that's very
[21:50] important since it's a city pool you may
[21:52] as well get every age group to use it I
[21:54] think that's a great idea um so so I
[21:58] actually probably should look at I
[21:59] should try to get the capacity for
[22:02] quacken Bush and Front Street just so we
[22:04] have everything on one and and if it
[22:06] needs to be yeah 12:30 to 6:30 I guess
[22:09] but like you say music Haven as well it
[22:12] wouldn't be able to be till 6:30 on
[22:13] Sundays in Central Park so I like the
[22:15] idea of 126 um I don't think it matters
[22:19] and again they're home earlier yeah I
[22:21] think that's fine adults in the house
[22:23] but so if we're adding um I did not put
[22:28] you'll see like on some of those other
[22:30] forms that I gave you out that there is
[22:32] sometimes a discount for
[22:34] seniors um well seniors would be free
[22:37] yep in in Nuna seniors well yeah they'd
[22:42] be free if they were residents
[22:45] right okay so we could stick with the
[22:48] reason I said adults um if you look down
[22:51] at my fees here where I say guests of
[22:54] city of connecting residents which was
[22:55] one of the rules that I saw so you know
[22:59] we I think we should limit guests um of
[23:02] residents and I was saying no more than
[23:04] three so then therefore a guest of a
[23:08] resident would be $10 for an adult or $6
[23:12] for a children these are just my great
[23:14] and I just had a suggestion of five and
[23:16] three I saw somebody else had that like
[23:20] it's it's hard to to put an amount of
[23:22] guests on there because
[23:25] then you know there's the three of us
[23:29] there with our three kids just say so
[23:32] that's 12 people and then we each have
[23:35] three guests
[23:37] so 21
[23:39] people you know and there's lines over
[23:43] there so that's why I was limiting it
[23:45] are you suggesting limiting it less than
[23:47] three I am per day yeah and I thought
[23:51] the cost and I'll tell you my reasoning
[23:53] for the cost because um if I don't live
[23:58] in SC but I come and watch my
[24:00] grandchildren um every day and those
[24:03] three are free but I have to pay $10 a
[24:06] day you know that's $50 a week that I
[24:09] have to pay to watch my grandchildren in
[24:11] the pool so I that's why I and and I as
[24:16] a revenue Source I mean we need to pay
[24:18] for that's why I know chose the 10 was
[24:20] just because the cost of of the pool and
[24:23] trying to bring in some Revenue if we're
[24:25] going to be free and then I thought that
[24:27] the children could be $3 versus five
[24:30] again you know I'm a grandmother I pick
[24:32] up my other two grandchildren from colon
[24:35] you know so now I'm 10 you know how
[24:39] about a compromise of like five and
[24:41] eight I don't know $8 for I mean again
[24:45] we we the fees would have to come in
[24:47] front of the council oh yeah definitely
[24:49] we could yeah so so we have so we can
[24:52] give a few different recommendations to
[24:53] council we could say 10 and six we could
[24:57] say five and three and three go seven
[25:00] and four or seven and and and so for
[25:04] guests they must be guests compan by
[25:07] connected res yes that will cut down on
[25:10] the lines I mean again we did want to
[25:13] have some data given to us we asked for
[25:15] some data we didn't know that right 1 2
[25:18] 3 we wanted zip codes actually we did
[25:22] ask for that yeah um so I'll have to
[25:24] follow up with Paul not couldn't strict
[25:26] r
[25:29] yeah we wanted to get data that they've
[25:31] already collected um and the in terms of
[25:35] um how many people they have been seeing
[25:37] what the lines have been like but um in
[25:39] the zip code data okay cuz they have
[25:42] been taking that in we did ask for that
[25:45] um you know 09 we would worry about 03
[25:50] and 06 but we could tell by the street
[25:53] address whether they were resents or not
[25:55] right right they were supposed to have
[25:57] that to
[26:00] well we'll have to remind St upon so 10
[26:05] and six 5 and three other numbers to
[26:07] throw
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[26:09] out something in the middle it's go yeah
[26:12] seven and seven and four
[26:17] yeah Joe what's your feeling on those
[26:25] anything again these are for guests but
[26:28] still right it as dorine said it could
[26:30] be a grandparent bringing out of town
[26:34] kids 7 and
[26:36] four okay so if we do the 5 and three
[26:40] the 10 and six and the 7 and four we'll
[26:42] make that presentation too
[26:46] um the rest of like three guests
[26:52] per I think
[26:54] that's okay it seems reasonable to me to
[26:57] not go more than three I don't even know
[26:59] three people to bring but I'm
[27:01] just I'm just you know bring a bus for
[27:04] and the whole thing is if there's a
[27:05] parent you know bringing the neighbor
[27:08] kids you know they're all residents
[27:09] anyway so these would just be all
[27:12] non-residents all right okay so I'm I'm
[27:15] okay with three I don't know if I want
[27:17] three Joe you okay with three yeah okay
[27:21] so and before we get to your pool rules
[27:24] so last um Wednesday St caterie they've
[27:28] been walking over for years summer camp
[27:31] mhm and so um Ella was all excited was
[27:35] her last day of summer camp normally
[27:37] their field trips are on Friday I'm
[27:39] sitting at home and I'm icing and I'm
[27:41] thinking how they can I get in the pool
[27:42] nobody's got an IDE nobody has anything
[27:45] so I drove over and um they had just
[27:47] gotten there the two different groups
[27:50] the older group of and the young group
[27:52] was over in the playground so I talked
[27:55] to Miss Stein horse and she said well
[27:57] for years they' go to pool they'd walk
[27:59] over but the uh couple of the graduates
[28:02] were always lifeguards there so they
[28:04] would always let them in mhm so I said
[28:09] and there were probably maybe 40
[28:13] students from 4 years old up to 11 the
[28:17] oldest was 11 so I I I did text Shane
[28:20] and he texted Julie and so Julie Julie
[28:23] said not to worry you know just have
[28:25] them talk to me on the way in but moving
[28:28] forward yeah um so and now you've got I
[28:33] I think um the older group had three
[28:36] chaperons with them and the younger
[28:39] group had you know whole bunch of
[28:41] grandparents because they were
[28:44] younger and um you know a few teachers
[28:47] who all had
[28:49] IDs
[28:51] but and you know Miss steinhart said to
[28:53] me you know 95% of these kids are
[28:56] connected I said that I understand as
[28:59] well so that was just a little well no I
[29:02] think that's a really good point and I
[29:04] hadn't thought of it and I haven't seen
[29:05] it on any of the other pool pools from
[29:08] the other towns have bust $30 oh yeah
[29:11] there is that there is that but you know
[29:13] so that's an interesting we could have
[29:15] another category of groups like camps I
[29:18] mean it's going to be summertime so we
[29:20] we figure out the heading um but there
[29:23] could be a group fee um that would
[29:26] include up to X number of chaperon for
[29:29] example I mean we maybe we should think
[29:32] about that but how would we do
[29:35] it we either have to charge a group of
[29:38] fee right even though some of them might
[29:40] be residents or most of them might be
[29:42] residents right but it could also be a
[29:45] different time of the day it could be
[29:46] like 10:00 it could be well we just said
[29:48] 10:30 to whatever we just said for the
[29:51] um seniors but we could
[29:53] say well she she did mention she knows
[29:56] that you know it's busier
[29:58] earlier in the summer so they wanted to
[30:00] wait till almost the last week to make
[30:01] it easier on us and you know not and but
[30:06] just bring the younger ones into the
[30:07] splash pad to make it easier on us but
[30:11] you know parents were like well I want
[30:13] my kids to go on a pool so you know what
[30:14] I mean so she did make it easy you know
[30:16] want to make it easier on on how you
[30:18] know controlling everything but it could
[30:21] also be you know and everyone knows
[30:22] their students at their camp and they
[30:24] could always give a list of you know 30
[30:28] resident students 10 non-resident
[30:31] students that are paying $3 to enter or
[30:35] we could have a flat fee for a group
[30:37] because the interesting thing is and the
[30:38] reason I like this though is think about
[30:40] it like for example the YMCA does their
[30:43] summer camp at Jerry barell um I'm just
[30:46] saying it's not just the you're going to
[30:49] have the like St cats or you know other
[30:52] places like that just summer camps yeah
[30:54] just summer camps in general but I mean
[30:56] I mean obviously like The JCC they have
[30:58] cool so their camps are all taken care
[31:00] of but there might be other
[31:02] organizations out there that run there
[31:04] might be Bible camps for example
[31:05] different at different
[31:07] churches it might be a good Revenue
[31:09] Source in other words and even I mean I
[31:12] could see that it would be it could be
[31:15] something where it was like every I
[31:16] think about the YMCA Jerry Burell like
[31:19] they might very well want to go every
[31:22] week have um a time that they take the
[31:25] kids swimming they have a splash pack um
[31:28] you know I'm just thinking like the post
[31:30] like events if somebody wanted to rent
[31:33] it with a certain cost you got the and
[31:37] then you got the oh my goodness I know
[31:40] certain that would be like after hours
[31:42] would have to be after hours but then
[31:44] we'd have to get the lifeguards and that
[31:46] kind of thing good good thinking the
[31:49] park is huge asset to this community I'm
[31:53] going to put that down as something to
[31:54] think about future oriented but I mean
[31:57] the whole group thing I haven't given it
[31:59] any thought so I think we a group of
[32:00] seniors rham seniors want to come yeah
[32:03] it's a great idea we I think we'd have
[32:06] to probably uh do some digging around
[32:08] and some thinking rather than trying to
[32:10] figure that out right now but I that
[32:12] came off in in Shan you know again Julie
[32:14] helped out and everybody walked away
[32:17] happy so okay actually Shane would be
[32:22] somebody we probably should have come to
[32:24] this come to a meeting or I don't know
[32:27] the other jul she's the program director
[32:29] yeah she runs the the
[32:31] pool all the pool yeah supervises the
[32:41] lifeguards
[32:43] okay this a good reason why we're
[32:45] meeting so early in the year before
[32:48] summer of
[32:49] 2025 I think that's a really looking at
[32:53] I think that's a really good um so after
[32:55] our rentals groups and inviting Julie to
[32:58] another meeting is something we should
[32:59] do at a at a future meeting so now can
[33:03] we turn our attention to the rules for a
[33:05] moment y yep we're it's only 5:00 so we
[33:09] still have some time
[33:11] here so do you want to look at these
[33:13] before we talk about them since I just
[33:15] gave this out to you
[33:17] but um I I like everything and then
[33:21] under driver's license we would also
[33:24] include New York state non-d driver's
[33:26] license
[33:28] noning Li yeah because people who don't
[33:30] drive go to motor vehicle and get a a
[33:32] passport or green card as
[33:37] well okay I didn't even think of that
[33:39] that's
[33:43] great okay I mean I think the whole fog
[33:47] thing is too much for us right now I I
[33:49] think so too I I think I you know I I
[33:52] don't know anything about I don't know
[33:54] much about uh software programs but um I
[33:59] do
[33:59] know a mom trying to take care of six F
[34:04] six FS or six I or you know um just give
[34:08] a name boom yeah and photo comes up um I
[34:13] agree but again I don't know the cost
[34:16] involved in that versus a so you know
[34:21] when I think of
[34:25] the um
[34:28] the sheriff's department when they do
[34:31] the
[34:32] um when they fingerprint you or whatever
[34:34] and they take your picture and that's
[34:36] there it's a program that they have you
[34:38] know I don't know but we have the
[34:39] capability of doing something like that
[34:41] not as far as the fingerprints but
[34:43] working that programing yeah well I mean
[34:46] again that's something like they did do
[34:48] something they did something um over the
[34:51] weekend at the pool I can't remember
[34:53] what it was now but I mean inviting the
[34:55] sheriff's department to come to the pool
[34:57] oh yes they been yeah yeah is a good
[34:59] thing good thing we're just finishing up
[35:01] a prior meeting but you're welcome to
[35:03] you're welcome to stay totally welcome
[35:05] to stay
[35:07] um okay so everything else in that first
[35:10] statement does that sound I kind of I
[35:13] mean we have to check with the school
[35:14] district about the IDS again but
[35:17] that lifeguards I was fine with
[35:20] that yep again I still have the concern
[35:24] which I mentioned at our last meeting
[35:28] you'll see okay look at the next one
[35:29] this is actually this is actually on the
[35:32] current rules two or more adults 18
[35:34] years or older must be present at the
[35:36] pool when the pool is in use with at
[35:37] least one adult on the pool deck the
[35:39] question is are those city employees or
[35:41] did that just mean no I thought it was
[35:45] the child right except that I know I I
[35:50] didn't quite I think that has to get
[35:51] clarified right um what that is on our
[35:54] think it can be two two or more adults
[35:57] must be present at the pool with at
[35:59] least one adult on the pool deck meaning
[36:01] that one of them might be inside the
[36:02] water with their
[36:03] kid um I didn't quite understand that by
[36:07] the way I put anything that was already
[36:09] existing on the on the signs at Central
[36:11] Park I put in here just so that we can
[36:13] talk about it um I didn't really
[36:15] understand that one no I didn't either
[36:17] so okay this R was on the second sign
[36:19] that one is on the C sign so I would
[36:22] assume they're not employees it's a
[36:26] format for the public but so that raises
[36:28] a question though I I raised this last
[36:30] time which is that we're basically
[36:31] putting a lot onto these lifeguards who
[36:34] are
[36:34] teenagers when you think about the fact
[36:37] that we are going to be asking them to
[36:39] enforce rules
[36:41] like no smoking I'm just making that you
[36:43] know but I'm just saying I mean again
[36:47] that's a question for Julie from the
[36:48] Boys and Girls Club but it is it is
[36:50] asking a lot from teenage
[36:53] employees um they are going to have to
[36:55] be the people enforcing these unless we
[36:58] have an adult that is a city
[37:02] employee uh at the there there are two
[37:04] policemen there every day I know police
[37:07] officers so I guess my fear is unfounded
[37:11] cu the left guards can basically the
[37:16] police it's a topic that I think needs
[37:18] some more discussion I I think I think
[37:21] things need to be monitored as far as
[37:23] the restrooms the changing
[37:26] areas um
[37:28] I think our teenage employees actually
[37:31] do do that they have to go in I mean
[37:33] they have to go in and make sure that
[37:34] the toilet paper and all that kind of
[37:35] stuff is again that's something we can
[37:38] find from Julie what their what their
[37:41] what their duties are responsibilities
[37:44] okay so we're all good with number two
[37:46] lifeguards so the authorities have
[37:49] right number three we have questions we
[37:52] need clarification on number three okay
[37:55] now
[37:57] this one seems to make sense to me
[37:59] children under if they're not considered
[38:02] an adult I think they have to be
[38:03] accompanied by an adult but and then
[38:06] it's confusing because that 16-year-old
[38:09] who's that 18-year-old and the one above
[38:10] it well see that's where um again I had
[38:13] to look looking at the other pools in
[38:16] the area in our region um that's why I
[38:20] picked that I know great so should it
[38:23] all be 16 or should it be
[38:26] 18 if that 18 even applies to people
[38:29] swimming not I don't know I I got to
[38:34] until I know more the 18 thing that that
[38:37] I mean he's got two parents home or two
[38:39] adults during the day to go with a
[38:41] 14-year-old not a lot of so on number
[38:44] three what do you think that year should
[38:46] be or should it I think we can just need
[38:48] clarification on it I mean maybe maybe
[38:52] that refers to the LIF guards there
[38:55] there could be one 16-year-old but one
[38:56] 18-year-old oh that's true that's true
[38:59] that's why I wasn't sure if they were
[39:01] city employees okay actually I'm going
[39:03] to pull up the photos that uh Paul sent
[39:06] us
[39:12] um oops that's how you spell his name um
[39:16] Paul Paul I think or someone did have a
[39:18] a concern um well last time we spoke
[39:22] about it about a 16-year-old you know
[39:25] with a parent even 14y olds right you
[39:28] know who's going to want to hang out
[39:29] with their Guardian parent um an adult
[39:33] Grandma at 14 years old so did you
[39:37] notice anything El I mean that's the
[39:38] sign that's there now did you notice
[39:40] anything else as far as an
[39:43] age I did not need it let me see
[39:51] here this is going to sound pretty funny
[39:53] but I well that I'll get to I'll get to
[39:55] it in a second when we get to that next
[39:57] one but um I'm looking at the existing
[40:00] sign the existing sign that one's on the
[40:03] existing sign two or more adults 18
[40:05] years or older must be present present
[40:08] at the pool when the pool is in use with
[40:10] at least one adult on the pool deck
[40:12] children less than 16 years these are
[40:14] all you know let's just check those off
[40:16] so that one the next one the children
[40:19] less than
[40:21] 16 well I I I think we you even talked
[40:25] about you know you had a 16
[40:29] should be able to
[40:31] attend the pool on their
[40:35] own
[40:37] um I I forget we we kind of passed that
[40:40] around last time as far as an age limit
[40:42] maybe 14year
[40:46] old I don't see I look through a lot of
[40:50] the cool information you said I didn't
[40:52] find
[40:54] anything Aly said
[40:57] children under the age of 13 must be
[41:00] accompanied by
[41:02] an I don't have Aly for some reason
[41:05] didn't say Albany it just said it looks
[41:06] like this I knew it was ALB cuz I
[41:09] printed it off there so I I mean I think
[41:13] we're going to redo this sign bring it
[41:14] down to at least 13 and 14 person for
[41:18] children less than yeah 13 and 14 I'm
[41:21] okay with 13 or 14 which one do you like
[41:23] better again we're just making
[41:25] recommendations 1 okay Joe you okay with
[41:28] that
[41:34] sure now the next one is wicked
[41:37] important as far as I'm concerned the
[41:38] swim
[41:39] diapers they need and I know they're
[41:42] expensive I know so but we could figure
[41:45] that out also because maybe we make sure
[41:47] that there's some swim diapers on hand I
[41:50] don't know I'm just saying if we had
[41:52] to but I mean we cannot let people with
[41:57] regular diapers into the pool I
[42:00] mean so if they're not trained I mean
[42:02] the the risk of having and I think there
[42:05] are um uh racks that are you know
[42:11] appropriate um they the
[42:14] RS I think
[42:16] um they this one this I thought was
[42:19] confusing but Albany said children under
[42:22] the age of three or not fully toilet
[42:24] drained must be wearing a swim diaper
[42:26] with the swimsuit or rubber pants right
[42:29] over the top of the swim diaper then it
[42:31] said regular diapers are not designed
[42:33] for use in water which I definitely new
[42:37] um I think that's very
[42:40] important I I I don't like Colony also
[42:43] requires the swim diapers Troy by the
[42:47] way their pools basically were closed so
[42:48] that's why there's so little information
[42:50] from Troy having a lot of
[42:52] issues getting them to reopen see
[42:57] and this is uh
[43:00] gildin they children in the age of five
[43:04] they have to have life jackets by the
[43:05] way I did not I don't think I put that
[43:07] in there um I didn't no but I do see a
[43:10] lot of kids with the with the swimming
[43:13] what that Buckle in the back this this
[43:16] has appropriate swim attire where's the
[43:18] thing
[43:20] about they didn't even put anything in
[43:22] there about diapers I mean they they do
[43:24] make a three-piece swimming diaper PES
[43:26] for seven 96 for three pieces which are
[43:29] I I knew my my granddaughter had them
[43:31] they're more like just a wrap or
[43:33] something so um maybe swimming swimming
[43:36] diaper pants or swimming diapers yeah
[43:39] which are a lot more
[43:41] inexpensive than these I mean again we
[43:44] could also see if there'd be something
[43:47] like a skincity shares kind of thing or
[43:48] something where somebody might do a S
[43:50] diaper dry that we would have on hand at
[43:53] the pool so that if there really was
[43:55] somebody that couldn't afford the swim
[43:56] diaper I know but I think it needs to
[43:58] stay in there okay all right
[44:03] um and my next one is send are no
[44:05] smoking chewing oh yeah what about the
[44:08] the appropriate swimwear made sense to
[44:09] me too yes you know okay so now the no
[44:13] diving shallow water that's on our signs
[44:15] now and that absolutely makes sense I
[44:17] mean obviously you don't want that for
[44:19] you know you don't want somebody to hurt
[44:21] themselves then this one I actually
[44:23] changed the language because but no
[44:26] running horse play running on the pool
[44:28] deck or foul language is allowed okay no
[44:32] toys flotation devices and so in other
[44:34] words they're talking about we're
[44:35] talking about floats there which would
[44:37] obviously take up a lot of room masks
[44:39] fins or and it hies the child a safety
[44:42] feature
[44:44] right oh this is the one that I thought
[44:46] was funny so on our sign right
[44:50] now you're going to laugh because I do
[44:53] have my graduate degree but I did not
[44:54] know what this word was I had to look it
[44:56] up
[44:59] expectorating you guys know what
[45:01] expectorating is Hawkers yeah yeah
[45:04] that's what it says on our sign at the
[45:06] pool I didn't actually know what that
[45:08] was so I was just questioning whether
[45:09] somebody in fourth grade might know what
[45:11] that was but um maybe they do so I
[45:15] changed it to spitting good um but it's
[45:17] no urinating discharge of fecal matter
[45:20] spitting or nose blowing in the pool
[45:22] that's basically on almost every other
[45:24] pool in the region right no smoking I
[45:27] added chewing tobacco I mean I added
[45:29] vaping oh good
[45:31] one that way there and that means
[45:34] whether it's uh marijuana or tobacco
[45:37] well I said no alcohol well I said or
[45:39] use of illegal drugs but you do know Al
[45:42] it's a Federate well no but right now we
[45:44] already have no smoking at all in any of
[45:48] our Parks it
[45:50] doesn't it's not uh necessarily enforced
[45:55] but um that that's already a rule in the
[45:58] park so I feel like it's fine to say
[46:00] this no glass containers
[46:02] obviously the no coolers I had a little
[46:05] bit of an issue
[46:08] with I mean if you wanted to like come
[46:10] and have a picnic or you know be with
[46:12] your family for your children I think
[46:15] the thing is that they must have to go
[46:17] outside the pool area in other words
[46:19] there's stuff outside the cool area
[46:21] they'd be able to get back in but I I
[46:23] think it's tough I I mean I guess we'd
[46:25] have to have the cooler so inspected on
[46:27] their way in
[46:30] yeah so should we take out no coolers or
[46:33] and we could add a line of all coolers
[46:35] we have to think about that yes okay
[46:37] well let's think about it because I I'm
[46:40] always packing
[46:42] lunches always did for my girls yeah no
[46:45] I mean it it it seems natural to me and
[46:48] I have I have a big problem with that um
[46:51] ice cream truck being out there every
[46:52] day every day you know how do you say
[46:56] but you have to say know your children
[46:57] you got three kids you got one kid I
[46:59] mean every day that that ice cream truck
[47:01] is parked right in front so I don't know
[47:03] what it's permit inails it don't on city
[47:06] streets but I don't think it's
[47:08] appropriate you know I think they do
[47:10] Stein Mets Park pretty pretty much also
[47:13] I think the a lot of course you know
[47:15] because they you know yeah um I do know
[47:19] my daughter told me that in Cara they do
[47:21] have affordable options for dollar menu
[47:26] options
[47:27] um on the truck including water that you
[47:30] know but again if you can't bring a
[47:32] cooler you can't you know like so there
[47:34] water fountains your kids can drink out
[47:36] but I want to make it you know
[47:37] affordable for all everyone bringing
[47:40] yeah children there okay so those are
[47:43] issues for future right the ice cream
[47:45] truck water I have to check there is a
[47:47] water P there are water ponds um but
[47:50] that's a good idea too low
[47:54] cost we need jeie they may actually I
[47:57] mean that could be a way that the boys
[47:59] and girls club could leave I don't even
[48:01] want to go there in terms of health
[48:02] department etc etc but they might be
[48:04] able to do some sort of treats that they
[48:06] sell they might want to
[48:10] sell it's hard like the um those things
[48:14] we have at music Haven those Welches
[48:17] food snacks and can go to the concession
[48:20] stand and stuff yeah we don't yeah we
[48:24] don't have a concession right things to
[48:26] think about I saw someone even rents
[48:28] Cabanas which is uh I have no umbrellas
[48:31] or canopies or Cabanas allowed okay we
[48:34] need to add that yes um I I see people
[48:38] marking your territory and those tent
[48:40] Cabanas are pretty big and um they're a
[48:44] good source of
[48:46] shade um because there's no shade
[48:49] there um you know other than in in by
[48:52] the changing area but we don't allow
[48:54] them now right no but they they are
[48:57] okay but that's a good point though if
[48:59] you had a little kid you might want to
[49:01] have an umbrella so that you have the
[49:03] and over here is only astr Turf you know
[49:05] that they can stick it in so we going
[49:07] have to talk about that one I would say
[49:12] right well we got to figure we got to
[49:15] figure that
[49:16] out um so no glass contain so the
[49:19] coolers one we're going to question I I
[49:22] think so no knives or firearms that
[49:23] makes sense right no animals allow them
[49:26] area also makes sense except service do
[49:29] service
[49:34] animus okay and then all trash must be
[49:37] disposed of properly yeah I think it did
[49:39] a great job yeah thank you for doing
[49:41] that then these waiting times that is
[49:44] actually on the current
[49:46] signage so it must be from
[49:51] um late after last sight sound of storm
[50:00] you'd also I just want to say we have a
[50:02] sign that says what's the method of
[50:04] summoning on premise CPR STA and what's
[50:07] the phone number for emergency and it
[50:09] doesn't happen okay just has a blank
[50:12] line so
[50:20] tfds I'll check that and I also have to
[50:23] get them to add
[50:25] those right yep and he might be
[50:29] coming
[50:31] uh oh there's oh there's a 911 there's a
[50:34] call 911 saving a life thing sign
[50:39] yeah okay I don't I'm trying to figure
[50:41] out where I saw that during we it must
[50:44] be on the it's on the pool
[50:49] rules yeah I mean those things make
[50:51] sense right so if there's thunder and
[50:52] lightning they're going to make
[50:53] everybody leave so what they're saying
[50:55] is there has to be a 30 minute wa have
[50:56] to leave the fence they have to leave
[50:59] the water I don't know if they have to
[51:00] leave the fence for some
[51:02] reason how do I access
[51:06] the um the city hall uh City uh of um
[51:11] homepage you mean how do you
[51:14] watch Sam Samantha said that I's right
[51:17] here oh I didn't see
[51:19] sorry um can I get on there for some
[51:23] reason I I saw them all walking out I
[51:26] think that they they might have to I
[51:28] don't know yeah
[51:31] we where do they go okay I think we're
[51:34] going to have to
[51:36] stop for now what else do you guys do
[51:38] you have anything else before we
[51:40] stop I
[51:53] guess anything before we oh call the so
[51:57] so when we when we do talk about trips
[52:01] or whatever um what's the ratio of adult
[52:04] and I guess it's even in the pool now
[52:07] what's
[52:08] the
[52:11] child I think this is this two or more
[52:14] adults thing must be presol that's one
[52:17] of the already children cannot have them
[52:20] under the AG
[52:22] of we don't have any rules about that
[52:24] right now
[52:27] I think that would
[52:30] be
[52:32] especially summer camp busing or even
[52:34] you know can I with neighborhood kids we
[52:38] can find that out because it's the same
[52:40] like at my side when we have when they
[52:42] have field trips um there's a certain
[52:44] number of adults that have to be present
[52:46] in field trips right so that's a good
[52:49] ratio of adults to children for field
[52:51] trips field trips are even just
[52:54] normal you know I'm calling
[52:57] under the but even on a regular Walkin
[53:01] basis all a sudden you know I'm going to
[53:04] I got you can only have got
[53:08] five the
[53:13] city responsible we should
[53:20] probably okay all right I'm going to try
[53:23] to well actually did you you took notes
[53:25] or um some notes um some of your
[53:28] questions and the things that you did
[53:30] watch I didn't get the last part the
[53:33] notes okay so I will try to um write up
[53:36] some of this too and we'll just you and
[53:38] I can communicate and we'll get it back
[53:39] out to everybody we'll have to have
[53:42] another meeting okay thank
[53:45] you I mean those were some of my
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[53:52] have great okay thank you
[54:02] was I had to set my alarm on my phone
[54:06] actually may I have a motion
[54:10] to a second in favor I okay thank you
[54:15] thank
[54:17] you we are adjourned um good uh it looks
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[1:03:44] the city council committee meeting for
[1:03:46] Monday August 19th
[1:03:48] 2024 um where before we U going to our
[1:03:51] committees we do have two presentations
[1:03:53] uh first of all we do have a really full
[1:03:55] room I'd like ask everyone to please
[1:03:57] silence your cell phon to make sure that
[1:03:59] they're off and additionally this
[1:04:01] meeting is for the council only so we
[1:04:03] are we do not take
[1:04:04] comments uh from the public um and uh no
[1:04:08] applause no Amen Corner none of that so
[1:04:11] first we're going to have our two
[1:04:13] presentations and we'll start with um
[1:04:16] Miss Patrick yes um the SKC Foundation
[1:04:19] um has Representatives here of the on
[1:04:22] SKC Community change Council um which
[1:04:25] they've started
[1:04:26] um and we have some folks from the
[1:04:28] community change Council that are going
[1:04:29] to be making a presentation I know is
[1:04:32] here
[1:04:35] um speaking
[1:04:38] and speaking and name song speaking and
[1:04:43] we have other members of the council
[1:04:46] present
[1:04:48] um speakers are if you're going to be
[1:04:50] speaking come over here speak we need we
[1:04:53] need folks to come up here there's a
[1:04:54] microphone Who start
[1:04:57] Christine and I think you know Christine
[1:05:00] the microphone is for the people people
[1:05:02] better that's
[1:05:04] how sure take thank you I am Christine
[1:05:09] Moore and I am a member of the uh
[1:05:12] Community change Council here uh with
[1:05:15] the skincity foundation uh and tonight
[1:05:17] we are going to present on one skty as
[1:05:20] well as our particular initiative which
[1:05:22] is the housing ones concy together
[1:05:23] initiative so who is the commity change
[1:05:26] Council we are a team of residents and
[1:05:29] leaders we committed to
[1:05:33] participate in um a process which we
[1:05:37] didn't quite know what it was to begin
[1:05:39] with but um folks just decided to come
[1:05:42] together through the foundation and all
[1:05:45] of the great work that they've done um
[1:05:47] to discuss issues in our community where
[1:05:51] we could affect systems change so in
[1:05:55] that process process we started off with
[1:05:56] a three-day kickoff which was uh we
[1:05:59] included a consultant from the community
[1:06:02] science who came in to run that 3-day
[1:06:05] Workshop back in March
[1:06:07] wow so in that process we were presented
[1:06:11] with a few different possible
[1:06:14] projects um and narrowed it down to
[1:06:18] quality affordable
[1:06:19] housing I missed the last point there
[1:06:22] was that oh sorry sorry um and okay so
[1:06:26] there's still 18 members now actively
[1:06:28] engaged and there's still more interest
[1:06:30] coming that was the part that I I wanted
[1:06:32] to miss next slide so 90 days of action
[1:06:35] what does that look like so the
[1:06:37] community science basically gave us an
[1:06:39] outline to work from we identified
[1:06:42] different areas that we needed to
[1:06:44] address um and broke off into subgroups
[1:06:46] and began the work in 90 days now it is
[1:06:50] quite a task to tackle
[1:06:53] housing in 90 days
[1:06:56] um especially when you're not like
[1:06:58] myself necessarily close to the problem
[1:07:01] um with regard to some of the ways that
[1:07:03] it was presented I would say that we're
[1:07:04] all close to the problem because we all
[1:07:05] want quality housing so it involves all
[1:07:08] of us um but it wasn't an area that I
[1:07:11] had particularly tackled but with the or
[1:07:14] some of the people on the committee
[1:07:16] hadn't tackled but we were committed to
[1:07:18] 90 days of action and so we started our
[1:07:21] process so next slide oh part of that
[1:07:26] process was branding and marketing
[1:07:27] deciding what exactly it is we were
[1:07:29] going to do so we created a vision in
[1:07:32] which our uh we envisioned a future
[1:07:34] where everyone in Connected can live in
[1:07:36] a healthy home that helps them Thrive
[1:07:38] and unleash their full potential so we
[1:07:40] all agree that this is what we wanted
[1:07:42] the outcome of this initiative to
[1:07:45] be so some of the challenges we faced
[1:07:47] were landlords tenants homeowners
[1:07:49] neighborhood leaders City staff we all
[1:07:52] have these important roles to play in
[1:07:53] improving housing for the SK conc um but
[1:07:57] we don't always communicate uh in in
[1:08:00] ways that are going to get us towards um
[1:08:02] improving housing
[1:08:04] here um so we sort of tackled that
[1:08:09] problem through Community
[1:08:14] engagement in one of the Committees that
[1:08:17] we had was research and policy so that
[1:08:19] committee went out and did particular
[1:08:21] work in looking at uh benchmarking
[1:08:24] existing policies around hous
[1:08:26] and and trying to find the gold standard
[1:08:28] that we could learn about and then model
[1:08:30] here in
[1:08:31] SKC uh through the work that I did on
[1:08:33] the engagement I leveraged my resources
[1:08:36] from Albany and we were put in touch
[1:08:39] with the United tenants Association
[1:08:42] which doesn't serve skincity to the
[1:08:43] capacity that it serves Albany but is
[1:08:46] yet serving the capital region and did
[1:08:48] have some data to to report back to us
[1:08:51] but what we found is they had um this
[1:08:53] tool called the Albany landlord report
[1:08:56] card um and it was aligned with what we
[1:08:59] were discussing in our initial 3 days of
[1:09:01] action and so we decided to move forward
[1:09:03] with exploration on how some a model
[1:09:06] like this could be applied here in
[1:09:08] skincity another component of our work
[1:09:10] was mapping out our Rich resources and
[1:09:13] skincity around housing and creating um
[1:09:17] an ecosystem which if you happen to have
[1:09:20] one of our handouts you'll notice the
[1:09:22] ecosystem there or you'll see it up on
[1:09:24] our slideshow so this is a work in
[1:09:27] progress there are lots of organizations
[1:09:29] that may not be um identified here in
[1:09:33] this ecosystem so there's it's potential
[1:09:35] to build on it but this was our starting
[1:09:38] point part and looking at some of the
[1:09:40] resources that we have and how they're
[1:09:42] connected around housing here so Second
[1:09:45] Step was
[1:09:46] to meet with slick and I see Chris
[1:09:49] Morris is here so we um had the
[1:09:52] opportunity to present at their August
[1:09:54] meeting I believe and to to hear
[1:09:57] feedback um and to offer an opportunity
[1:10:01] to engage in the process of developing
[1:10:04] the
[1:10:06] landlord um tool the landlord app we
[1:10:09] we're calling it lease so I just want to
[1:10:12] highlight that relationship a little bit
[1:10:14] because it wasn't smooth sailing when we
[1:10:16] started there are a lot of
[1:10:20] um there's there's a lot of things that
[1:10:22] have happened over the past few years
[1:10:23] between landlords and tenants in terms
[1:10:26] of relationships that needs to be
[1:10:27] rebuilt and conversations need to be
[1:10:30] opened um so that we're working together
[1:10:33] to provide landlords with good tenants
[1:10:36] that they need and our tenants with good
[1:10:38] homes where they need to live so this um
[1:10:42] I'm I'm proud to say that if within
[1:10:44] those 90 days of action uh that win was
[1:10:48] is a big one because we're continuing
[1:10:50] the conversations as we move forward
[1:10:52] with building the tool that will help up
[1:10:55] lift good landlords in our
[1:10:57] area step three feel like we skipped
[1:11:00] over some stuff and I'm sure we did it
[1:11:02] was a jamack 90 days
[1:11:05] um so yeah so we we started digging into
[1:11:09] some of the items that uh are needed to
[1:11:13] uh prioritize what we want
[1:11:16] to learn through the
[1:11:19] application um we want to provide
[1:11:21] information about rental properties and
[1:11:23] recognize that landlords who comply with
[1:11:24] the city codes so we need a lot of folks
[1:11:27] in this room on board uh we did create a
[1:11:30] community survey to make sure that this
[1:11:32] is something that our residents actually
[1:11:33] wanted and elely is going to present on
[1:11:36] some of that survey data for us
[1:11:38] shortly um and maybe just now
[1:11:44] so thank you so much my name is Elise
[1:11:46] Martin I work in housing over at connect
[1:11:49] Community Action Program or scap uh so
[1:11:51] you can see we had a really great
[1:11:53] response to our survey uh to 220
[1:11:55] responses the majority of them are from
[1:11:57] renters about a third of them from
[1:12:00] homeowners and we also had some landlord
[1:12:02] feedback as
[1:12:04] well um no surprise that the number one
[1:12:07] priority for everyone who is responding
[1:12:09] is the cost of housing when they're
[1:12:10] looking at where they're going to be
[1:12:12] moving um and then the quality of
[1:12:15] housing so is it safe does it pass code
[1:12:18] um is it in someplace that makes me feel
[1:12:20] safe does it have the amenities I need
[1:12:22] on a first floor uh washer dryer hook
[1:12:25] UPS Etc um and then the responsibility
[1:12:28] of the landlord to be responsive and
[1:12:30] building that uh working relationship in
[1:12:32] the beginning uh so that's what our
[1:12:34] community is
[1:12:35] prioritizing um and you can see that
[1:12:37] when we checked in to um ask if they
[1:12:41] were interested in some type of tool um
[1:12:45] that uh similar to the one that Albany
[1:12:47] has around 70% said yes they would be
[1:12:51] interested and it would be helpful for
[1:12:52] them when either uh trying to just uh
[1:12:56] address challenges that they have in
[1:12:58] their housing currently or when they're
[1:13:00] looking for a new
[1:13:02] housing um so a little bit more about
[1:13:05] what would go into this Tool uh so on
[1:13:08] the next slide uh there's a list of the
[1:13:10] type of data so just a couple uh
[1:13:13] examples here and this is in handout uh
[1:13:15] so you can read further uh eviction
[1:13:17] information code violation violation
[1:13:20] information this would all get fed into
[1:13:23] the report card uh to create a unified
[1:13:26] uh easyto read
[1:13:29] score um and the next steps for this
[1:13:31] project we are looking to engage uh
[1:13:34] stakeholders so we're here today like we
[1:13:36] mentioned we've been talking with the
[1:13:37] landlords we've been engaging the
[1:13:38] community uh so making sure this is
[1:13:40] really well well-rounded and that
[1:13:42] everyone's voice is at the table um
[1:13:45] looking for funding uh for the actual uh
[1:13:49] application and then working in
[1:13:51] Partnership to build out the tool
[1:13:55] all right and I'm going to hand it over
[1:13:56] to wrap up our
[1:13:59] presentation I guess
[1:14:02] it's we do need you I'm sorry to come
[1:14:04] over here so that you can be on the
[1:14:10] camera so bring over here do you want to
[1:14:14] bring your laptop with you yeah
[1:14:19] yeah
[1:14:24] hello how's that yeah it's it's just for
[1:14:27] the folks at home so um as going we
[1:14:30] started our next guest thank you for
[1:14:32] hosting us today um we want to uh
[1:14:36] continue to improve and increase contact
[1:14:39] with Community overall just building
[1:14:41] these uh
[1:14:43] relationships um and highlighting the
[1:14:46] intersectionality of of oversight and
[1:14:50] ferally distributed um funds and
[1:14:53] programs for people that consumer is
[1:14:56] live um I'm so proud to be part of uh an
[1:14:59] agenda that includes the community um so
[1:15:02] we want to highlight that we are here
[1:15:05] with construct relationships and that
[1:15:07] we're still we're still um managing data
[1:15:11] and collecting
[1:15:12] data
[1:15:16] and so laity um played a lot of ground
[1:15:21] workor um the first n the action engaged
[1:15:25] um most of the people that are here
[1:15:26] today but also uh it reflects that when
[1:15:31] the community is included and things
[1:15:34] that uh concern them and their quality
[1:15:36] of life um it's important to make sure
[1:15:39] that we have a a base a a collective
[1:15:44] that um not just collects those that
[1:15:49] information but we create constructive
[1:15:52] solutions for people here um especially
[1:15:56] we're a largely urban community and um a
[1:16:00] lot of the people represented by members
[1:16:03] here can tell you and agree that um it's
[1:16:07] people that that run the economy and we
[1:16:12] we um we're happy that sen is now
[1:16:16] recognizing that the foundations that
[1:16:18] are here agencies that already
[1:16:20] established can come together and agree
[1:16:22] that um helping consumers and residents
[1:16:26] have a uh a place and have recourse for
[1:16:30] their concerns as consumers is
[1:16:32] important um so during the first 90 days
[1:16:36] um they took action by building the
[1:16:39] database that they're calling Le and um
[1:16:44] also making the
[1:16:47] uh we call
[1:16:57] identifying our assets so um I just want
[1:17:00] to make sure who going to the EOS system
[1:17:03] or ecosystem that includes yes that
[1:17:06] includes the community and um agencies
[1:17:09] that have already um Place their efforts
[1:17:13] toward agenda like ours and consumers
[1:17:17] and local tenants and local community
[1:17:19] members who um are largely consumers
[1:17:23] here in
[1:17:25] so we want to highlight that building
[1:17:27] relationships that um are GE toward the
[1:17:30] commit thank you for sharing your space
[1:17:32] by the way so
[1:17:36] um before you um move on to this side
[1:17:39] just want to make sure that we
[1:17:43] also we also are proud to include that
[1:17:47] um in the data that we've already
[1:17:49] collected there's
[1:17:50] 220 um 220
[1:17:55] are completed
[1:17:57] already we want to make sure that the
[1:18:00] presence of the
[1:18:03] ecosystem
[1:18:05] intersectionality um and that a place
[1:18:08] for community
[1:18:10] members tenants residents longtime
[1:18:14] contributors to the local commy have a
[1:18:16] place that they feel safe to g a a place
[1:18:20] that they know they will not only be
[1:18:23] recognized but that their issues as
[1:18:27] consumers are going have the proper
[1:18:30] oversight and the proper attention and
[1:18:32] that we know the researchers are already
[1:18:34] here for us to allocate a Equitable
[1:18:38] experience for all tenants of the local
[1:18:41] commit um
[1:18:44] so I'm use my
[1:18:49] SL am I okay SL yeah it just the next
[1:18:53] steps so the next steps are uh obviously
[1:18:57] to continue the survey the survey is
[1:19:00] going to be careed toward making sure
[1:19:04] we've explored every aspect of the
[1:19:06] consumer
[1:19:08] experience every aspect of tenants and
[1:19:12] um local concerns for their quality of
[1:19:15] life reability of
[1:19:18] hous um the responsiveness of the
[1:19:21] housing
[1:19:22] authority and I know personally that my
[1:19:26] um pursuit of fair housing has I've
[1:19:29] encountered many
[1:19:31] barriers um and I just want to voice be
[1:19:34] the voice
[1:19:35] concerned for people who haven't found
[1:19:38] uh a place for an agency where is
[1:19:41] directly here toward their consumer
[1:19:43] concerns but mailing you know
[1:19:47] applications doll to S
[1:19:51] applications uh the barriers that people
[1:19:55] um will encounter responsiveness of
[1:19:58] landlords and
[1:20:00] prorities this is all barriers that they
[1:20:04] they cost the consumer so much um
[1:20:08] they
[1:20:09] participating and a h program program
[1:20:14] you know that we
[1:20:15] have you know we have requirements and
[1:20:19] tenant um we all have to live and and
[1:20:23] we're required to Pro
[1:20:25] that we come to come we we add up to a
[1:20:29] standard we that we uh we required to
[1:20:32] prove that we can um uh uh provide a
[1:20:37] certain standard or consistency for that
[1:20:40] vard and so we hope that that's going to
[1:20:43] be
[1:20:44] anable experience for all consumers and
[1:20:47] especially
[1:20:49] um and um and people they haven't have
[1:20:54] or
[1:20:56] place
[1:20:58] is for
[1:21:01] time
[1:21:04] next do we take any questions yeah let's
[1:21:06] take
[1:21:14] questions the housing one's going to be
[1:21:19] together I'm wondering if there's anyone
[1:21:21] um from slick and Al Andor um from The
[1:21:25] Sting Municipal Housing Authority that
[1:21:27] have been a part of the 15 or 18 people
[1:21:30] that have been putting this together um
[1:21:33] slick no Housing Authority no so
[1:21:36] initially initially in the initial group
[1:21:39] with the um for the systems change
[1:21:42] movement before the housing issue was
[1:21:44] decided it was open to any Resident from
[1:21:48] this County I believe uh City connecting
[1:21:52] to partic to choose to participate and
[1:21:54] be part of a systems change movement so
[1:21:57] that Core Body those 18 people are the
[1:22:00] people who stuck with it throughout the
[1:22:01] 90 days of action whether housing was
[1:22:04] their personal issue that they brought
[1:22:06] in the initial survey or not it was a
[1:22:09] Collective Agreement to move forward
[1:22:11] since then engaging with the city
[1:22:13] council identifying the folks in the
[1:22:16] ecosystem who need to be have a seat at
[1:22:18] the table to talk about housing issues
[1:22:20] that was part of the 90 days in the
[1:22:22] process so in that process a
[1:22:24] presentation with the slick as well as
[1:22:27] you know continuing our relationship
[1:22:29] with SCA um there were particular rules
[1:22:32] and regulations with this committee and
[1:22:34] that if you had
[1:22:36] um certain decision-making abilities
[1:22:38] Through Your Role or position that you
[1:22:39] weren't a voting member so um you know
[1:22:43] we we got Stars if we could vote and if
[1:22:46] you were considered in a position of
[1:22:48] power um over the the group dynamic and
[1:22:51] you weren't giving a a voting privilege
[1:22:55] um you have more oh yeah just want to
[1:22:57] say so scaff and Slick has been uh have
[1:23:00] been acting as advisory to it um because
[1:23:03] it is community Leed um so we're we're
[1:23:06] at the table we're meeting together uh
[1:23:09] but the the direct for is coming from
[1:23:10] the community members thank you and I
[1:23:13] will add that if you did complete the
[1:23:15] survey or it still is open if you
[1:23:18] haven't there is a place to indicate
[1:23:19] whether or not you would be interested
[1:23:21] in contributing to the housing ones
[1:23:23] concy I know there's uh a lot of
[1:23:26] conversations regarding the lease app
[1:23:28] and how uh we will wait the the system
[1:23:32] so that it's fair and Equitable and
[1:23:34] achieves the goals that we want it to
[1:23:36] achieve collectively it is not meant to
[1:23:38] be uh the Albany model here applied in
[1:23:42] connectivty this is meant to actually
[1:23:44] build upon the Albany model and improve
[1:23:47] it so that it's uh a resource um that
[1:23:51] that we want to use
[1:23:55] Mr par yeah so first of all thank you
[1:23:57] for this important work I really
[1:23:59] appreciate um the community engagement
[1:24:00] aspect of this um I did hear words like
[1:24:03] intersectionality and equity which I'm
[1:24:05] always excited to hear um I'm just
[1:24:07] wondering like during the survey what
[1:24:10] type of demographic information are you
[1:24:12] collecting um to ensure that
[1:24:16] equable working across intersectionality
[1:24:19] to ensure like that's like our you guys
[1:24:21] like like your social economic uh race
[1:24:25] type of demographic information as part
[1:24:27] of the surver to
[1:24:28] Ure was the specifics just Z collecting
[1:24:33] um I didn't get the slide in there with
[1:24:35] zip codes um we have zip codes there's
[1:24:37] not a lot of demographic information in
[1:24:40] there um but we did extend the survey
[1:24:44] because we noticed that uh the zip codes
[1:24:47] that were responding were not uh the
[1:24:49] Target demographic that we're looking
[1:24:51] for um so we're doing specific targeting
[1:24:53] in Hamilton H not pleasant Etc to make
[1:24:56] sure that we're getting a large scope as
[1:24:58] well as making sure we're getting
[1:24:59] homeowners tenants and
[1:25:01] landlords so just one more thing
[1:25:04] so I can see like you have to careful
[1:25:06] when you're doing surveys cuz people are
[1:25:08] don't like taking them if you're asking
[1:25:09] a whole bunch so so I wanted to say that
[1:25:11] too that that's not lost to me um so the
[1:25:14] landlord report card piece is that like
[1:25:16] so what does that mean for a landlord is
[1:25:19] this just like more like a marketing
[1:25:21] tool for a landlord to say hey a plus
[1:25:24] ated by this entity or is there any more
[1:25:27] other any other type of incentives or
[1:25:29] things outside of that that yeah I mean
[1:25:31] we' we've talked in brainstorming that
[1:25:33] this could pull in resources for them
[1:25:36] and we've talked about different Grant
[1:25:37] fundings um and Foundation money you
[1:25:40] know could this lead to you're eligible
[1:25:42] for certain funding if you know you meet
[1:25:44] a certain rate it is also um good you
[1:25:48] know we talked a little bit about like
[1:25:50] HUD requirements so if you're high rated
[1:25:52] on this you're likely to be able to get
[1:25:55] um a voucher program which is a great
[1:25:56] setup for a landlord and get that direct
[1:25:58] payment because you probably done all
[1:26:00] the things you need to do to have your
[1:26:01] apartment P inspection so it's about
[1:26:03] keeping your apartment up so you have
[1:26:06] for all these things so I think it it
[1:26:08] lays a good foundation for us to use as
[1:26:10] like a unified tool across the community
[1:26:12] and I think have other possibilities
[1:26:14] thank
[1:26:15] you so in um in regards I see the
[1:26:18] priorities um issues were the housing
[1:26:22] costs quality of Housing and and in the
[1:26:24] context of the ecosystem what were some
[1:26:26] of the identified of responsiveness what
[1:26:29] was working well what on agencies with
[1:26:32] the needs of of residents being met
[1:26:35] areas of breakdown that we could focus
[1:26:38] on yeah so that's kind of our next step
[1:26:40] right right now what we built out is the
[1:26:42] ecosystem and we are um pulling in
[1:26:45] people from different areas of the
[1:26:47] community to make sure that we have
[1:26:49] everything on the map that we need um
[1:26:51] and we're looking at what the
[1:26:53] connections are both formal and informal
[1:26:55] and then building out that resource to
[1:26:57] see what the gaps are so those are our
[1:26:58] next
[1:26:59] steps
[1:27:01] okay that's it all right thank you so
[1:27:03] much time thank you uh and to members of
[1:27:07] the public I saw somebody raised their
[1:27:09] hand so if you if you got the contact
[1:27:11] information you can contact them
[1:27:12] directly and ask any questions you
[1:27:14] have thank
[1:27:17] you um next Mr
[1:27:20] wall we'll give us some information on
[1:27:22] the do he hear in the room
[1:27:27] he was here I thought he was as
[1:27:30] well
[1:27:33] okay yes is that you okay that's not Mr
[1:27:36] wall Mr triny over
[1:27:39] here my hands you needed to that can be
[1:27:43] heard um yeah so I'm Brian triny um the
[1:27:48] building inspector for the city of skty
[1:27:50] and along with that comes a flood plane
[1:27:53] hazard manager
[1:27:54] so um I am appointed flood plane uh
[1:27:57] Hazard manager so uh there's some
[1:28:01] there's been some inquiry um from
[1:28:04] Council about uh some of the development
[1:28:07] that's going on in the Mohawk Harbor and
[1:28:10] um we've we've had some uh inquiry
[1:28:13] ourselves with
[1:28:15] DEC and uh that brought up some
[1:28:19] um Discovery there's been a change a
[1:28:22] passing of the torch at the East see
[1:28:24] there's a new uh State flood plane
[1:28:27] manager there and he has some inquiry of
[1:28:31] um how that has been managed and
[1:28:33] developed in Mohawk Harbor so uh we have
[1:28:37] been um Gathering documents and
[1:28:40] supplying them to
[1:28:42] DEC uh and uh you know my
[1:28:46] predecessors uh from what I've been
[1:28:48] coming up with and discovering have been
[1:28:51] have managed that properly Mohawk Harbor
[1:28:54] was um brought out of the flood plane
[1:28:57] elevation with Phil and uh this care of
[1:29:00] most of the properties that have been
[1:29:01] developed before uh before I was here at
[1:29:04] the city um and my intention moving
[1:29:07] forward is to uh keep managing these uh
[1:29:11] this development properly and uh making
[1:29:13] sure the proper documentation and
[1:29:16] surveys are uh are are prepared as this
[1:29:20] development moves forward so uh what
[1:29:23] what sparked this inquiry and
[1:29:25] development uh about flood plane
[1:29:27] development here is um the doc project
[1:29:30] that we have at molar Harbor and U you
[1:29:33] know that will um I I think Chris Wallen
[1:29:37] is here to elaborate on that doc project
[1:29:40] um but I did want to answer any
[1:29:42] questions that I could about um the
[1:29:45] flood plane
[1:29:46] management so um we all received an
[1:29:48] email which prompted some of the
[1:29:50] questions so at this point in time I
[1:29:51] know do you had you have any specific
[1:29:53] questions Mr man well from from the
[1:29:55] email it looked like that there were
[1:29:57] some concern um on on the part of the
[1:30:00] state and so I wanted to you know kind
[1:30:03] of understand that a little bit better
[1:30:05] and where we were in that process and is
[1:30:08] that going to hold up this price any way
[1:30:11] so um I I'll I'll lean I'll lean to
[1:30:16] Chris on the doc project he can follow
[1:30:18] me up uh when we talk specifically about
[1:30:20] the doc project um that plan is 100% and
[1:30:24] he's very familiar with the U
[1:30:25] engineering side of that um but I'll
[1:30:28] pass it on answer that question okay so
[1:30:30] the docs we are designed and we were
[1:30:33] ready to go to bid however the dec
[1:30:35] during their review asked for a flood
[1:30:39] survey is make sure that the
[1:30:40] installation of the peers they are 6
[1:30:42] 18in Piers they want to make sure that
[1:30:44] that does not impact the uh flood
[1:30:47] elevation the final flood elevation of
[1:30:49] the river um we do not think there's
[1:30:51] really any way that it could given that
[1:30:54] they are 18in cylindrical round piers in
[1:30:55] the River Bank however they want to see
[1:30:58] the Cs they want to see us go through
[1:31:00] that step I have a meeting with our
[1:31:02] consultant Wednesday morning to go
[1:31:04] through it but uh it's similar to um
[1:31:07] what we had to do for Mohawk Harbor or
[1:31:09] what GL group had to do for m haror just
[1:31:11] on a much smaller scale we are going to
[1:31:13] get there report so if you remember when
[1:31:16] when we took Mohawk Harbor out of the
[1:31:19] flood plane the now you're taking area
[1:31:22] out of the flood plane that otherwise
[1:31:23] would would flood so they want to make
[1:31:25] sure you're not going to impact areas
[1:31:27] that would flood and put your flooding
[1:31:29] elsewhere that's why that when we raise
[1:31:31] Mohawk Harbor's uh base elevation of
[1:31:34] ground they also had to pull the River
[1:31:36] Bank back because they had to do a
[1:31:38] calculation to say that if we're going
[1:31:40] to take away this volume we have to add
[1:31:42] the volume in a similar capacity so that
[1:31:44] we don't increase the risk of flooding
[1:31:46] to The Stockade or to the surrounding
[1:31:48] areas so it's a similar study just on a
[1:31:50] much smaller scale that they have to do
[1:31:53] because the rest of the the everything
[1:31:55] else is not permanent the docks are
[1:31:57] meant to float up or float down and then
[1:32:00] in the winter season or non Canal season
[1:32:02] are removed from the river so the only
[1:32:05] thing that will be left in the river
[1:32:06] permanently are these six cylindrical
[1:32:08] Piers uh and they're actually existing
[1:32:11] above What's called the average high
[1:32:12] water mark so they're not actually in
[1:32:14] the river but in a flood situation they
[1:32:17] are in the flood so so that would be so
[1:32:20] we have to do this additional Ser uh
[1:32:22] this additional study it will delay us a
[1:32:24] little bit but it is what it what was
[1:32:28] requested anyone
[1:32:30] else okay well thank
[1:32:33] you thank you
[1:32:38] Chris next committee is Public Safety so
[1:32:40] I'd like to call to order to the Public
[1:32:42] Safety Committee we have one item on the
[1:32:43] agenda tonight that is revisiting a
[1:32:45] discussion about reducing the city speed
[1:32:47] limit to 25 M hour and other traffic
[1:32:49] safety measures M Patrick yes thank you
[1:32:52] um so we've been talking about this
[1:32:53] since August of 2022 I'm hoping that we
[1:32:56] will get to the point where we can
[1:32:58] actually make a decision about whether
[1:33:00] we're going to limit uh reduce the speed
[1:33:02] limit to 25 miles hour um so uh I think
[1:33:06] it was two meetings ago we requested
[1:33:08] that U Mr wall and Mr Cannon and
[1:33:12] um uh Lieutenant uh
[1:33:16] Brian is it rle yeah boua uh would come
[1:33:21] and talk with us today and U make some
[1:33:24] commendations um about the reduction in
[1:33:26] the speed limit so take it away Mr
[1:33:32] W I will try to be brief uh but I this
[1:33:36] is not so much that but so much a lot of
[1:33:39] things all at once so I'm going to kind
[1:33:40] of hit you with some information and
[1:33:42] then you guys can think about the
[1:33:44] information we can come back I do not
[1:33:46] want you to think of this as a oneoff
[1:33:48] I'm here every other week so you can
[1:33:50] always ask for another update so we're
[1:33:52] going to call this an update because
[1:33:54] this is what we're going to do traffic
[1:33:55] safety update I've been meeting now with
[1:33:57] with uh Brian Canon and Brian bouga I
[1:34:00] tried to print these for you uh but my
[1:34:02] printer did not work with it and I can
[1:34:03] hand it out in the future but this is
[1:34:06] what I'm calling our Traffic Safety
[1:34:08] update so I want to make sure we're
[1:34:10] asking the right questions when we're
[1:34:12] around this table the question shouldn't
[1:34:14] be how do we reduce speed right it's how
[1:34:16] do we increase safety so the number one
[1:34:18] goal when you meet with the no we meet
[1:34:20] with anybody is how do we reduce serious
[1:34:22] injuries fatalities so speeding is a
[1:34:24] part of that but the number one metric
[1:34:26] that everyone uses is speed is serious
[1:34:28] injuries fatalities then you have
[1:34:29] speeding you have minor accidents and I
[1:34:31] know around this table you also want to
[1:34:32] reduce your complaints because that's
[1:34:34] what we hear from here from the public
[1:34:36] um we are not alone in this so I
[1:34:41] am just part of a bigger Cog here so we
[1:34:44] work with the dot we work with our no
[1:34:47] which is the capital region
[1:34:48] Transportation Council we work with
[1:34:50] Federal highways we work with the CDTA
[1:34:52] we work with the regional planning
[1:34:53] commission and I'm sure I'm forgetting a
[1:34:55] bunch of people you know we work with
[1:34:56] the county we work with Community groups
[1:34:58] but these are the main people um what
[1:35:00] we're talking about is not a city issue
[1:35:03] it is a national issue it is a state
[1:35:06] issue it's a worldwide issue it's just
[1:35:08] we're focused on the city so I don't do
[1:35:11] this alone I have lots of people to
[1:35:12] support me and this is also something
[1:35:14] that lots of people are also working on
[1:35:16] even in the city uh always talk about
[1:35:19] the three E I am 1e I am engineering we
[1:35:23] have education and we have enforcement
[1:35:26] um education is always the hardest one
[1:35:29] if everybody knew to cross on a
[1:35:31] crosswalk and weight if everybody knew
[1:35:32] to push a button if everybody drove the
[1:35:34] speed limit you know sometimes what they
[1:35:36] say is new laws are not the solution
[1:35:39] just obey the laws that are there that's
[1:35:41] tough all right and a lot of it falls on
[1:35:43] engineering right if nobody's going to
[1:35:45] obey the law if we don't have the staff
[1:35:47] to enforce the law then we got to
[1:35:48] engineer it so that people obey by the
[1:35:51] law and that gets difficult
[1:35:54] uh this is some data that the SPD
[1:35:56] provided me I just wanted to show it um
[1:35:59] this is a summary of the tickets issued
[1:36:01] last year and where we are to date of
[1:36:03] the tickets issue this year it's a lot
[1:36:05] of information that's why I try to get
[1:36:06] it in a print out for you but I will
[1:36:08] express it but on the most part we seem
[1:36:12] to be trending very similar um just to
[1:36:14] let you know equipment I I had it you'll
[1:36:16] see the kind of a um where is uh 20% and
[1:36:20] 20% so that's the numbers are actually
[1:36:22] identical that year and equipment is um
[1:36:26] too loud of a car muffler noise um and
[1:36:30] then uh tinted glass things like that
[1:36:33] that is what equipment is it's issues
[1:36:34] with your vehicle and then right of way
[1:36:38] is if you're driving the wrong way on a
[1:36:39] road if you're cutting through a parking
[1:36:41] lot if you're doing anything kind of in
[1:36:43] the right away illegally but not within
[1:36:45] essentially the road itself um that was
[1:36:47] right away so those were the two that
[1:36:49] aren't as self descriptive as as I like
[1:36:52] but this is where we are today we use a
[1:36:54] track system to do these things we've
[1:36:56] also just signed up to make sure we have
[1:36:58] it into uh the clear database which
[1:37:01] tracks accidents in a geographic GIS
[1:37:03] database and all this information is
[1:37:05] being provided um to the mayor's office
[1:37:08] for his reports and we are starting to
[1:37:10] look at it for um future
[1:37:12] implementation um this you know this is
[1:37:15] one of the things I want to tell you
[1:37:16] when I say that we're all working
[1:37:17] together I had a meeting which I'll talk
[1:37:19] about briefly but I had a meeting last
[1:37:21] week at the no the capital reg
[1:37:23] Transportation Council and this is the
[1:37:26] information they have just for the
[1:37:27] city's connected using the clear system
[1:37:29] using all the data that's available they
[1:37:32] already have areas here that are in the
[1:37:35] city that they think are issues and they
[1:37:38] want us to look at so I just take this
[1:37:40] list and go one step further when I met
[1:37:42] with them they were happy to see that I
[1:37:44] I already know about this you don't know
[1:37:45] we're working on this this just things
[1:37:46] that we're doing so Crane Street Albany
[1:37:49] Street that was on the top of their list
[1:37:50] and they said hey do you want to do a
[1:37:51] Lincoln study and I said we already
[1:37:53] doing I said okay great they go what
[1:37:56] about Eastern Avenue I go we already
[1:37:57] replaced the signal with Eastern Avenue
[1:37:58] they go okay now we're 0 for three right
[1:38:01] Albany Str Brandy Wine North Elm we do
[1:38:03] have an area there that we're looking at
[1:38:05] that's the next phase of it but we
[1:38:07] already did all uh Liberty that's the
[1:38:09] same area with that um city is connected
[1:38:12] down here the South Avenue Brandy Wine
[1:38:14] we just did that that was an H project
[1:38:16] so we don't have to go through the whole
[1:38:17] list but it's just to show you that I
[1:38:18] didn't generate this list this list was
[1:38:20] generated by one of our third party that
[1:38:22] is interested in all Al helping us get
[1:38:24] highway safety money and seeing crashes
[1:38:27] would you see potential for safety
[1:38:28] Improvement so higher the number the
[1:38:30] better and killed in seriously injured
[1:38:32] down so this is a metric that they use
[1:38:34] when they write giving us Federal money
[1:38:37] um current tools these are all the
[1:38:40] things that we're currently doing
[1:38:42] enforcement we have PD we have radar
[1:38:44] Science we just bought some more for
[1:38:46] school zones we have variable message
[1:38:48] radar signs there are the signs out
[1:38:50] there that say high traffic area those
[1:38:53] also have a radar component they can
[1:38:54] take data we have the temporary speed
[1:38:57] tables that we purchased and we have the
[1:38:59] optical sensors aka the smart nodes that
[1:39:01] we've deployed throughout the city um
[1:39:03] all of these allow us to collect data
[1:39:06] and to try to push everything together
[1:39:08] uh even talking with Brian Canon he he
[1:39:10] shared with me you know abundant amount
[1:39:12] of data that the optical nodes uh gave
[1:39:14] us for some of the areas that we were
[1:39:15] looking at which broke down percentile
[1:39:18] speeds average speeds high speeds so
[1:39:20] that's what we're looking at those are
[1:39:22] the tools that we currently have uh I
[1:39:24] don't see anybody from SPD here but you
[1:39:27] know always they always say they could
[1:39:28] always use more enforcement so you know
[1:39:30] more people on the street the more
[1:39:32] enforcement that you have potential
[1:39:34] tools all right these are kind of what
[1:39:36] Cara would You' like to talk about so I
[1:39:38] numbered them a little bit right so we
[1:39:40] have the reduction of the Citywide speed
[1:39:42] limit how do we do that City resolution
[1:39:45] we have permanent speed tables how do we
[1:39:47] do that I'd like to come up with a city
[1:39:49] procedure and possibly a resolution
[1:39:51] depending on what we need then we have
[1:39:53] implementation of Red Lake cameras and
[1:39:55] implementation of school zone cameras
[1:39:57] both of these I don't have this tool I
[1:40:00] think it's bigger but I know that we
[1:40:01] talked about home rule last time but
[1:40:03] it's something there so the number one
[1:40:06] that we've been talking about for 2
[1:40:07] years right the reduction of the speed
[1:40:09] so like I said I had a meeting on August
[1:40:11] 15th with the capara transportation
[1:40:13] Council and they're conducting about the
[1:40:14] vision zero plan which was a federally
[1:40:16] funded plan through the safy streets for
[1:40:18] all grant program so we're part of that
[1:40:20] plan which includes many safety metrics
[1:40:22] which is also where that table came from
[1:40:25] uh what they'd like to do is take a
[1:40:26] couple select areas of the city look at
[1:40:28] it do some reports and get some traffic
[1:40:30] data on those areas one of the big
[1:40:32] things that I want to share with you
[1:40:34] that is going to help us with this is
[1:40:36] that previously we have done a speed
[1:40:38] study we did it on Kings Road and we did
[1:40:40] it on Rugby Road and I sat here and I
[1:40:42] said that using the do the New York
[1:40:45] state do metrics it was not applicable
[1:40:48] to reduce the speed on a road like K's
[1:40:51] Road it didn't meet the metrics the Fed
[1:40:53] Federal guidance is relaxed over the
[1:40:55] state Guidance the federal guidance will
[1:40:58] allow us to reduce speeds on roads like
[1:41:01] kan's Road on roads like State Street on
[1:41:04] those major roads so I'm going to show
[1:41:06] you that what I want to do right now is
[1:41:08] focus on the nonlocal so I'm going to
[1:41:10] show you another this is called
[1:41:12] functional class all right little lesson
[1:41:14] in roadways a little bit all these
[1:41:16] colorful roads are functional roads
[1:41:19] they're arterials they're collectors you
[1:41:22] know as the main road in the city if a
[1:41:24] road on this map is not green blue or
[1:41:27] red it's a local road if we were not the
[1:41:30] city of skincity if we were the village
[1:41:32] or town of
[1:41:33] SKC we do not have the we would not have
[1:41:36] the authority to change the speed limit
[1:41:38] on a lot of these roads if you hear
[1:41:40] about the town of East Green Bush
[1:41:43] Village of Scotia any that reducing
[1:41:45] their speed limit they do not have the
[1:41:46] jurisdiction authority to reduce the
[1:41:48] speed limit on County and state roads so
[1:41:50] all they did is reduce it on local roads
[1:41:53] if that's all you were asking as a
[1:41:55] council was to reduce the speed liit on
[1:41:57] local roads we could do it
[1:41:59] today but I don't think that's a further
[1:42:02] action you want to take cuz a local Road
[1:42:04] and the roads are a little bit different
[1:42:05] but I just wanted to show you the
[1:42:06] difference I am not concerned about
[1:42:08] local roads local roads should be 25 I
[1:42:11] don't have a problem with that it's
[1:42:13] these colorful roads that I just want to
[1:42:15] make sure if we're doing this hopefully
[1:42:16] one time everybody on the same page
[1:42:19] reduction that I get these roads right
[1:42:22] so then we get into oh it's gone I don't
[1:42:25] know where it went to this is a map of
[1:42:26] the city with these two roads and there
[1:42:28] should be a map there but it's gone so
[1:42:30] the two roads right now that Brian Canon
[1:42:32] and I were looking at if you can use
[1:42:33] your imagination are uh to be designated
[1:42:36] as 30 this is what just based off of the
[1:42:38] information that I have is right now
[1:42:41] this red line you see here is State
[1:42:43] Street that section of State Street goes
[1:42:45] from the city line to Fair Avenue that
[1:42:47] section of State Street is 35 mph is the
[1:42:51] only and the longest section of the city
[1:42:52] that 35 mph it is a commercial Corridor
[1:42:55] and it is mostly commercial with very
[1:42:57] little residential Brian and I talking
[1:43:00] we did not feel that that section is
[1:43:02] warranted to go down to 25 but we do
[1:43:05] think that we could reduce it to 30
[1:43:07] after Fair Avenue the character of the
[1:43:09] street does change and we would be
[1:43:11] looking to possibly go to a 25 or
[1:43:14] possibly segment it more possibly like
[1:43:16] mclen Street maybe you go 30 to mlen and
[1:43:19] from mlen all the way to the city line
[1:43:21] again at the Western Gateway Bridge go
[1:43:23] close to 25 but these are the things I
[1:43:24] wanted to talk about with the engineers
[1:43:27] before we come to the council with
[1:43:28] recommendation the other little squiggly
[1:43:30] line you see up there that is Maxim Road
[1:43:33] Extension Maxim Road Extension has no
[1:43:36] residential it is a gateway to the city
[1:43:38] it leads to Erie Boulevard which is
[1:43:40] State controlled which has a 40 mph
[1:43:42] Speedway so it would also if we were to
[1:43:45] leave that it would also hopefully
[1:43:47] funnel traffic away from such uh of the
[1:43:50] residential districts and on the max in
[1:43:52] two Boulevard in there um as you notice
[1:43:55] I do not have Erie Boulevard on here
[1:43:58] Erie Boulevard is an enigma to me we do
[1:44:01] not own eie Boulevard from the
[1:44:03] roundabout North we own eie Boulevard
[1:44:05] from the roundabout South if this was 13
[1:44:09] years ago before I was city engineer I
[1:44:11] would tell you that I would not
[1:44:12] recommend it be 25 mph I recommend it
[1:44:15] would be 30 plus however we have seen
[1:44:18] since I've been here and since the mayor
[1:44:20] has been mayor and since a lot of us
[1:44:21] have been here eie bouevard is really
[1:44:23] transformed from commercial into
[1:44:25] residential we have electric city we
[1:44:28] have the apartments F Apartments uh
[1:44:31] where the old car wash used to be now we
[1:44:32] have wedgeway we have a lot more
[1:44:35] residential on that area and also with
[1:44:37] the density it's really anybody going
[1:44:40] that fast during peak times I'm not sure
[1:44:42] so that's an area I would like to look
[1:44:43] at because it has transitioned from a
[1:44:46] primarily commercial into a half
[1:44:48] residential so I would like to look at
[1:44:50] that area but this is what we're talking
[1:44:51] about we're not talking about waving and
[1:44:53] say everything's 25 I just want to look
[1:44:55] at it and make sure that we're getting
[1:44:56] it right and then this also goes into
[1:44:59] what we talked about Brian and I about
[1:45:02] signage where we have 30 mph zones will
[1:45:06] affect where our signage is so if we
[1:45:09] have a 30 hour street we have to make
[1:45:10] sure that street is 30 so we still have
[1:45:12] to change these signs cuz right now it
[1:45:13] says 35 so all the 35s come down all the
[1:45:16] 30s come up Brian uh and I were talking
[1:45:19] about the streets off of it we just want
[1:45:21] to make sure uh if we put up those signs
[1:45:23] that say 25 mph unless otherwise noted
[1:45:26] do we need to put 25 on those streets
[1:45:29] coming off I need to have a a
[1:45:30] conversation about that and then Brian
[1:45:33] uh has uh been working on with John
[1:45:35] kucho on a number for the budget for
[1:45:37] what we want and the number is not as
[1:45:40] not as large as I had thought which is
[1:45:42] good because I think that by doing more
[1:45:44] we're lessening our load but it's still
[1:45:46] not nothing if you wanted to talk about
[1:45:48] it at all I mean it's just a quick
[1:45:53] my estimation is around 15 to 20K 15 to
[1:45:57] $20,000 upwards of $20,000 I'm hoping as
[1:46:00] we get into things we can keep it a
[1:46:02] little closer to the 15 but um crunching
[1:46:05] the numbers I believe it's right in that
[1:46:07] range that's
[1:46:10] good uh so that's what we're looking at
[1:46:13] with regard to speeds um we'll go to the
[1:46:16] end but so this is where we are with
[1:46:17] speed right now we're hoping to have
[1:46:19] everything done by the end of this year
[1:46:20] even though the vision zero plan is
[1:46:22] actually going to go to June I asked him
[1:46:23] to roll it up so that we have it and
[1:46:25] we're working with him to make sure that
[1:46:26] we get all of our signage and things in
[1:46:28] place so the next thing tool two uh this
[1:46:31] came up I wanted to make sure this is a
[1:46:32] kind of a discussion Point speed tables
[1:46:35] all right I remember the council asked
[1:46:36] 2022 2023 we wanted to implement a speed
[1:46:39] table Wayne Avenue was our location for
[1:46:42] the speed table uh this is just a map of
[1:46:44] work it shows you can see uh MLK School
[1:46:47] Dwayne Avenue and I'm calling them one
[1:46:49] and two and then we have a stop sign in
[1:46:50] the middle stop sign's important because
[1:46:52] it's not a straight through you do have
[1:46:53] to stop uh this is what the speed tables
[1:46:56] look like uh they're very nice product
[1:46:58] little labor intensive to put down but
[1:47:00] once they're down they're down um but
[1:47:02] and it is very we got the high
[1:47:03] visibility one it's a very nice product
[1:47:06] um PD did data pre and post using the
[1:47:10] radar cameras uh and here is a summary
[1:47:13] of what they have so I just wanted to i'
[1:47:17] got a bunch of notes on here the period
[1:47:18] data was taken in uh where it was it
[1:47:21] July so no school but in July and then
[1:47:24] the post data was in June school is in
[1:47:27] session the following year after the
[1:47:29] pumps were um if you notice the traffic
[1:47:31] was actually up I just wanted you to
[1:47:33] notice that because the volumes were up
[1:47:35] not huge but up and the speeding numbers
[1:47:40] and the average speeds were actually
[1:47:41] down so we do think in the report that
[1:47:45] SPD put together did deem that the speed
[1:47:48] tables were effective so you could see
[1:47:50] that we went from uh 11 % over to only
[1:47:55] 4% that's great our westbound similarly
[1:47:59] westbound is always a little higher the
[1:48:01] other part of it is our Peak speeds 70
[1:48:03] mph down to 59 79 mph down to 61 and on
[1:48:09] top of all this data that we have we did
[1:48:11] not receive one complaint over the 3 and
[1:48:14] 1/2 month installation um and so I I
[1:48:17] think that it was it was a good program
[1:48:20] I think it's something that we have to
[1:48:21] look at so I put this together right so
[1:48:25] speed tables can provide traffic calming
[1:48:27] and the right application so this is
[1:48:29] where I would push back here right is
[1:48:31] that I don't want to legislate for my
[1:48:33] office does the city council want to
[1:48:35] install permanent speed tables if we do
[1:48:38] then the city myself and Brian and SPD
[1:48:42] we can work together to give some
[1:48:44] locations but if we are also going to
[1:48:47] allow the public um I have an
[1:48:51] example of uh you might have seen this a
[1:48:53] couple years ago if you want to pass it
[1:48:54] around one sheet of what I really would
[1:48:57] like to get put into place for us to
[1:48:59] adopt which is an implementation guide
[1:49:02] this guide is what the city of Rochester
[1:49:04] uses uh Chief Whipple found it last year
[1:49:08] I think it is a just a terrific guide
[1:49:10] for something so that we can control the
[1:49:13] requests um of it you know if the city
[1:49:16] if Brian and I and the police are going
[1:49:17] to put something in and it's already
[1:49:19] going to be based off of this
[1:49:20] information so the city will be
[1:49:22] following this information but we just
[1:49:25] want to make sure that similarly to the
[1:49:26] sidewalk program and things that if
[1:49:29] somebody wants to request something that
[1:49:31] it's done in a more of a cohesive
[1:49:32] organized Manner and not at this table
[1:49:35] and not through emails and maybe uh
[1:49:37] what's the proceed click fix um the only
[1:49:40] thing I do want to point out with this
[1:49:42] is uh restrictions uh this is a nice
[1:49:45] little map I put together quickly about
[1:49:48] where right now I would not advise so we
[1:49:51] have what's called priority streets in
[1:49:53] the city priority streets are usually
[1:49:54] come into effect when you plowing comes
[1:49:56] you want you off the street when it's
[1:49:57] plow but priority streets are also our
[1:50:00] priority streets if you were to know
[1:50:02] they're here they're most of our main
[1:50:04] roads we also have an engineering What's
[1:50:06] called the primary Street which is
[1:50:07] essentially an expansion of the primary
[1:50:09] Street Network it's just not uh as
[1:50:11] important for the plow routs and these
[1:50:14] are the roads in the city that I would
[1:50:16] recommend that if we're putting together
[1:50:18] some legislation to say it that we would
[1:50:21] these are off limits we can do maybe
[1:50:23] other traffic calming measures but that
[1:50:26] speed tables and speed humps we remove
[1:50:29] that from the and I I tried to be I
[1:50:32] tried to be judicious with it you know I
[1:50:33] try to you know like where do you go we
[1:50:35] can talk about it Norwood you know right
[1:50:37] by Mount Pleasant Norwood is feeding
[1:50:39] it's not a primary it's not a priority
[1:50:42] that could be a main road that we look
[1:50:43] at doing something like that about
[1:50:45] working with the school district there
[1:50:47] are roads secondary roads like that that
[1:50:49] could be affected with feed buds but I
[1:50:51] just want to make sure that we're doing
[1:50:52] it in a way and I I can't deny that the
[1:50:55] they did work they they did work in the
[1:50:58] right application so I don't want to
[1:50:59] take that off I just want to talk about
[1:51:01] that and then the last thing that we
[1:51:04] have tools three and four they're speed
[1:51:07] enforcement cameras and speed
[1:51:09] enforcement uh both for red lights and
[1:51:11] school zones I talked to Bill Trudeau
[1:51:13] who is the signal superintendent in the
[1:51:15] city of Albany uh he has been there for
[1:51:17] I believe 30 plus years uh he says that
[1:51:20] they do have 20 and they were legisl for
[1:51:23] 20 in school zone so they have 20 and 20
[1:51:25] um they had to pick what school zones
[1:51:27] they're just going into this year I
[1:51:29] believe this is going to be their first
[1:51:30] year with them but the uh red light
[1:51:32] cameras at the intersection have been
[1:51:34] functioning so this is a tool that we
[1:51:36] currently don't have but it's something
[1:51:38] that if we feel that it's effective we
[1:51:40] could make an effort for but I don't
[1:51:41] have the road map to get to this um so
[1:51:45] with that that's my quick as quick as I
[1:51:48] can be of of speed safety in the area um
[1:51:52] we are starting to meet more regularly I
[1:51:55] am meeting with the no I think that
[1:51:56] Vision zero plan is good um but I I just
[1:52:01] want to you know like these are things
[1:52:02] like I tried to show on that slide that
[1:52:04] my office and with Brian coming on board
[1:52:06] these are things we're already doing
[1:52:07] we've already take traffic and safety
[1:52:10] and you know we kind of lead the region
[1:52:12] in federal aid money AIT money safety
[1:52:15] money but it's something that it's like
[1:52:17] drinking from a fire hose there's going
[1:52:18] to be there's a lot of need in the city
[1:52:20] but we are trying to do it so um in this
[1:52:23] presentation I can update it we can try
[1:52:25] to go forward uh a lot of the
[1:52:27] information is going to be updated in
[1:52:28] the mayor's uh monthly smart cities
[1:52:30] reports going forward so that could be
[1:52:32] made available for his office so I guess
[1:52:35] I'll open it up to the questions at the
[1:52:37] time as always thank you that was a nice
[1:52:39] thorough presentation and then I think
[1:52:41] it very much highlighted that to your
[1:52:43] point there's already measures being
[1:52:44] taken by the city and I thought the
[1:52:47] other um foot stomp that I would make is
[1:52:49] that this is not an issue uh that
[1:52:53] disconnect the and of itself is is is
[1:52:54] only experiencing this is a national
[1:52:56] issue so at that time I'd like to open
[1:52:58] up to any questions or comments as far
[1:53:00] yeah so Echo I'm that I'm wonderful uh
[1:53:03] very informed presentation so the
[1:53:05] question is um so there's some things
[1:53:09] that are in our control right there are
[1:53:10] some things that we can do as far as the
[1:53:11] speed tables which I think was a really
[1:53:13] you know showed them to be quite
[1:53:15] effective um when I'm thinking about
[1:53:17] like some place like Kings Road in
[1:53:19] particular which um is you know extreme
[1:53:22] high traffic Ro so my question is we're
[1:53:26] talking about the possibility of
[1:53:29] reducing uh Citywide uh speed
[1:53:33] limit I'm saying all so what type of
[1:53:36] graduated interventions would be
[1:53:38] appropriate for a place like King's Road
[1:53:40] because talking to Residents is
[1:53:43] is there was like request for a stop
[1:53:45] sign more than overall reduction of uh
[1:53:50] of the speed l in that are are in
[1:53:52] particular so I'm wondering like through
[1:53:55] the course of that traffic study that we
[1:53:57] did um did it meet the requirements for
[1:54:00] maybe a stop sign there instead of um
[1:54:03] asward doing this more comprehensive
[1:54:05] piece yeah so that's one thing stop
[1:54:08] signs are not on my list of tools
[1:54:10] because they're not a tool and we did
[1:54:12] look at it um it did not meet the the
[1:54:15] Merit for a stop sign um I have a hard
[1:54:18] time I talked about this with Brian and
[1:54:20] I've talked about this a little bit
[1:54:21] internally is that um as a Judicial body
[1:54:25] of the city of SKC you are in your own
[1:54:27] right to put a stop sign up it is in the
[1:54:30] city of connected however as the city
[1:54:32] engineer with a license I cannot sign
[1:54:34] off that it would be a compliant
[1:54:37] mutcd stop sign however I've sent
[1:54:39] articles out municipalities have done
[1:54:41] this you know people have said that it's
[1:54:43] in the greater need of the community
[1:54:45] that we put this up and that that's what
[1:54:47] we go we go forward with as a stop sign
[1:54:49] um we would prefer uh Brian and I were
[1:54:51] talking about just a little bit is that
[1:54:53] um now with this once again another tool
[1:54:55] is that Kings Road with the dot measures
[1:54:58] was not able to technically be reduced
[1:55:01] but with the federal measures we now can
[1:55:03] reduce the speed on King's Road um we
[1:55:06] did just put up a new signage on Kings
[1:55:08] Road slow signage on the Kings Road last
[1:55:11] week so we would like to see that
[1:55:13] between the reduction of the speed limit
[1:55:14] on that road if it's recommended which
[1:55:16] most likely will go that route and then
[1:55:18] the new signage what what happens there
[1:55:21] we did put the crosswalk there we have
[1:55:23] tried to make it you know narrower we do
[1:55:24] have the guide rail you know we're we're
[1:55:26] trying to put all the tools up there
[1:55:27] that we can I believe the police have
[1:55:29] had radar signs up there um but the stop
[1:55:33] sign is not one of them that's why it
[1:55:34] was specifically left out and it has
[1:55:36] been discussed a couple of times K says
[1:55:39] the speed tables wouldn't be appropriate
[1:55:41] for King's Road I don't think speed
[1:55:42] tables would be appropriate for K's Road
[1:55:47] no what have we done or is there more we
[1:55:50] could do on in the way of public ation
[1:55:53] and put the message out there speed
[1:55:56] kills and other campaign you know one of
[1:56:00] the groups that I'm involved in that I
[1:56:01] didn't have up there I actually meant to
[1:56:02] is like the governor's traffic safety
[1:56:04] board and some of the county sheriffs
[1:56:06] and they do a lot of they uh I was on
[1:56:08] the uh committee that started the
[1:56:10] CNBC uh campaign and that started with h
[1:56:13] money for Central Avenue 8 years ago and
[1:56:16] that's been pretty successful I mean if
[1:56:17] we need materials the state uh the state
[1:56:21] office will give us all the materials I
[1:56:23] know that uh SPD does um I don't want to
[1:56:26] call it fake ticketing I don't know the
[1:56:27] word that they call but they they go out
[1:56:29] and they'll do like an educational
[1:56:30] ticketing thing uh also the sheriff's
[1:56:32] office has done that where they'll
[1:56:34] actually if they catch you jaywalking
[1:56:36] they'll give you like a CNBC ticket
[1:56:38] which is kind of like a a fake ticket to
[1:56:40] say Hey you know this is a a violation
[1:56:43] you should cross in the crosswalk things
[1:56:45] like that so like I said there are a lot
[1:56:46] of Partners out there um um one of the
[1:56:49] areas that the sheriff's office at are
[1:56:51] are monthly meeting was is you know up
[1:56:53] Division Street which was on the list by
[1:56:55] the McDonald's and the bus stop you know
[1:56:58] that is a really heavy area for
[1:56:59] pedestrian traffic they go up there they
[1:57:01] do targeted areas up there to try to do
[1:57:03] enforcement and education uh events
[1:57:05] that's one of the also the reasons that
[1:57:07] we're looking at working with the CDTA
[1:57:09] which is why it's up there to try to you
[1:57:11] know move the bus stops to try to stop
[1:57:13] all the different things there because
[1:57:15] we have people running around buses um
[1:57:18] but education would be great I I don't
[1:57:19] know if you wanted to well yeah I I I
[1:57:21] did not have a chance I was hoping to do
[1:57:23] that before today's meeting but one of
[1:57:25] the ideas which I thought was I was
[1:57:27] trying to think outside the box and be a
[1:57:29] little creative I ran it by Chris cuz I
[1:57:31] thought maybe this is a little too wacky
[1:57:33] Chris actually didn't think it was too
[1:57:35] wacky so um you know I don't know if
[1:57:38] anyone has ever taken a defensive
[1:57:40] driving class um I took my last one
[1:57:42] during covid when we first started at
[1:57:44] covid um you know sitting there I
[1:57:47] figured okay don't really have a lot
[1:57:49] that I can do today I'm going to do this
[1:57:50] defensive driving I definitely noticed a
[1:57:53] change in my behavior after I took that
[1:57:55] defensive driving class so one of the
[1:57:57] ideas that I had was trying to see
[1:58:00] whether I could get um a defensive
[1:58:03] driving
[1:58:04] course taught for free so in other words
[1:58:08] like you can get defensive driving
[1:58:09] through AAA you can get it in a number
[1:58:11] of places I was hoping that maybe I
[1:58:14] could get it so that either we would
[1:58:17] think about putting a certain pot of
[1:58:19] money together when we do our budgeting
[1:58:21] for
[1:58:22] 2025 um where maybe we would pay for
[1:58:25] defensive driving or if I could just get
[1:58:27] somebody to actually donate the
[1:58:29] defensive driving um that if we could do
[1:58:33] that as an incentive to get people to
[1:58:35] take the defensive driving that at least
[1:58:37] it might be one dent in that was no pun
[1:58:40] intended but one way of trying to get
[1:58:43] people to think more about their driving
[1:58:45] habits um I know that um when I first
[1:58:48] started this back in August of 2022 the
[1:58:51] first people called were the were you
[1:58:53] know the chief of police because I did
[1:58:56] you know didn't know if it was just
[1:58:57] crazy the crazy idea also around
[1:59:00] lowering the speed limit the chief
[1:59:02] really felt that if we could lower the
[1:59:04] speed limit um that maybe we'd get
[1:59:08] people going 30 if the speed limit was
[1:59:10] 25 it also might be easier for them to
[1:59:13] um again if people were going um let's
[1:59:16] say 40 in a 25 mph speed zone the police
[1:59:20] have more latitude in terms of ticketing
[1:59:23] um which hopefully then would also be a
[1:59:25] deterrent and might help to change some
[1:59:27] of these behavior um because I I
[1:59:29] definitely agree Chris mentioned this
[1:59:31] earlier that out of those those ease
[1:59:33] that we've heard about now several times
[1:59:35] over the last couple of years education
[1:59:37] and behavioral change is going to be the
[1:59:40] toughest part of this um so um that was
[1:59:45] that was the one idea that I had shared
[1:59:46] with Chris the other day and I will
[1:59:48] bring this up it is not in the
[1:59:49] presentation but stay tuned for future
[1:59:51] presentations cuz it's going to be a
[1:59:52] bigger issue is that there's a new
[1:59:54] buzzword out there called micr mobility
[1:59:57] and micr Mobility is electronic scooters
[2:00:01] skateboards Halls Wheels bikes it's all
[2:00:06] of the things that go 30 mph and are not
[2:00:09] registered vehicles and I don't want to
[2:00:12] you know that's an entirely side
[2:00:14] conversation but it is also part of this
[2:00:18] because it's unregistered vehicles at
[2:00:21] speeds on sidewalks on roads and it does
[2:00:25] affect uh traffic and safety so as a
[2:00:29] region we bring it up we're trying to
[2:00:30] figure it out I know SPD has a hard time
[2:00:33] with it because there's classifications
[2:00:35] there's a lot of things that go into it
[2:00:37] but that eventually will be up here and
[2:00:39] I don't know what the pool will be but
[2:00:41] more and more you're going to be seeing
[2:00:42] that and that that's the term of it is
[2:00:44] called micromobility yeah that
[2:00:46] definitely has to be something that we
[2:00:48] take on as well moving forward any of
[2:00:52] questions or comments M so Mr Wallen um
[2:00:55] so you talked about a couple things that
[2:00:57] could happen and our our real goal that
[2:01:00] we were trying to get to 25 mil an hour
[2:01:01] but you also talked about these speed
[2:01:03] tables so incrementally is there
[2:01:05] anything that we can do to can and the
[2:01:08] defensive driving actually I like I
[2:01:09] don't know about the money
[2:01:10] car but um I think that's a good idea
[2:01:13] and I'm wondering if insur if it impact
[2:01:15] people's Insurance in a positive way
[2:01:17] well it would I mean if you take
[2:01:19] defensive driving for 3 years after you
[2:01:21] take it
[2:01:22] you get a discount on your insurance so
[2:01:24] that can be their incentive as
[2:01:26] well we don't have can't give you money
[2:01:29] it definitely will take your insurance
[2:01:31] down so uh incrementally are there
[2:01:33] things we can do in in what short time
[2:01:36] frame in terms of the speed tables and
[2:01:38] also the um lowering the speed limit I
[2:01:40] know you didn't want to do that
[2:01:41] individually but yeah so lowering the
[2:01:43] speed limit I mean I would really like I
[2:01:46] know that you could just have patience
[2:01:47] and bear with me as I go through with
[2:01:49] the engineers and Brian because it's
[2:01:50] there and we will we'll get and I I can
[2:01:52] even run some of this through them to
[2:01:53] see if we can do it faster but in the
[2:01:56] shorter term things that we can control
[2:01:59] um you know take Dwayne Avenue with the
[2:02:01] speed table so I showed you the results
[2:02:05] I don't have any complaints we do not
[2:02:07] have any permanent speed tables in the
[2:02:09] area I would prefer that if we were to
[2:02:12] put speed tables in they come with some
[2:02:14] kind of a documented support from the
[2:02:17] council that says that you are okay with
[2:02:19] the implementation of these speed tables
[2:02:22] and that's kind of what I'm looking for
[2:02:23] is the procedures in it I do not believe
[2:02:26] and I can look that there's anything in
[2:02:28] the city Charter that says that the city
[2:02:30] engineer can put speet tables in I'm
[2:02:32] sure you could find some language that
[2:02:34] says anything in his discretion but I
[2:02:37] would just like to have the support like
[2:02:39] you know if we're going to move forward
[2:02:40] if we want to put that in permanently we
[2:02:43] can move forward with in the spring I
[2:02:45] know it's almost po but putting those in
[2:02:47] permanently coming up with standards
[2:02:48] we're going to need markers on either
[2:02:50] side for plows right we're going to need
[2:02:52] reflectors we're going to need to make
[2:02:54] sure you know but to that could be a
[2:02:57] step that the the committee can take or
[2:02:58] the council can take as well as if we
[2:03:01] want to entertain a form like Rochester
[2:03:04] if we want to entertain allowing us to
[2:03:06] move forward internally with identifying
[2:03:09] a couple other locations and and doing
[2:03:11] programs like this to to do that and
[2:03:13] coming back because right now that was a
[2:03:15] was a test it was a pilot program pilot
[2:03:19] program's over it didn't seem effective
[2:03:21] I just don't know how move forward any
[2:03:23] other questions or comments Tor uh thank
[2:03:26] you yes thank you Chris um so I know
[2:03:28] since we purchased the first one you had
[2:03:30] mentioned in Prior meetings that the
[2:03:32] cost has gone up substantially with the
[2:03:35] um with the with the cost of them how
[2:03:38] much of the speed tables themselves okay
[2:03:40] they're not I don't I don't I wouldn't
[2:03:42] worry about the cost of them necessarily
[2:03:44] I mean if we're going to buy another set
[2:03:45] of them we have a set we just need to
[2:03:47] find the right spot to put them in based
[2:03:49] off of this information and I can I can
[2:03:51] bring that to you
[2:03:52] um but when they do work you know
[2:03:54] because this will be
[2:03:56] a I'm I'm I don't know how to to control
[2:03:59] the floodgates necessarily if you were
[2:04:00] to go to Albany and go into the Arbor
[2:04:03] Hill Neighborhood I believe they spent a
[2:04:04] million dollars putting in speed tables
[2:04:07] throughout the Arbor Hill Neighborhood
[2:04:09] so once again is that is a commitment of
[2:04:11] City funds that currently you don't have
[2:04:13] in front of you so if we're going to do
[2:04:15] that you're going to say Chris we
[2:04:18] usually Bond you a million5 dollars to
[2:04:20] pave City roads we want to take a
[2:04:23] percentage of that and we want you to
[2:04:24] put it in the speed tables all right
[2:04:26] there's no funding source out there that
[2:04:28] I'm aware of I can see if H funding is
[2:04:30] available but you know everything we do
[2:04:32] has a repercussion from somewhere else
[2:04:35] and if we do Dwayne Avenue what's to say
[2:04:37] that a neighboring Street will not want
[2:04:40] something similar if you're going to see
[2:04:41] it and then that's how you know when
[2:04:43] Arbor Hill they did multiple streets so
[2:04:46] we have one it was a school zone it was
[2:04:48] picked because it was cut through it's a
[2:04:49] good Street um you know Tri Street which
[2:04:52] is right identified next to it that
[2:04:54] traffic cing is going to be different
[2:04:55] that traffic cing is we're narrowing the
[2:04:57] road significantly we're putting that
[2:04:59] cycle track and you know we're going to
[2:05:00] be doing landscaping so that's a
[2:05:02] different type of
[2:05:05] traffic um I usually like reserving my
[2:05:07] questions to the end but because they're
[2:05:08] related can you talk around the
[2:05:10] turnaround time of installing them and
[2:05:12] then any maintenance issues that you
[2:05:13] identified on this test of installing a
[2:05:16] speed HP I do not think they would be um
[2:05:20] a long lead time to install it is uh
[2:05:23] typically they're asphalt we could look
[2:05:25] to do it in the concrete um but I
[2:05:27] believe albes are all asphalt um if we
[2:05:30] were to design and put out a bid we
[2:05:32] could probably put them in this year but
[2:05:34] I don't know if that would be something
[2:05:35] that we would put it in just in time for
[2:05:37] clouds
[2:05:39] um but it is literally you would Mill
[2:05:41] out a keyway in the location then you
[2:05:44] would put um probably some dowels to get
[2:05:46] it down and then you would just form it
[2:05:48] with asphalt which is hand work but it
[2:05:50] could be done and then then we'd have to
[2:05:52] see if we' like to paint it and that was
[2:05:53] something then we'd have to maintain the
[2:05:55] paint but we definitely would want if
[2:05:56] you were to go to um Colony they have
[2:06:00] indicators on both sides and then they
[2:06:02] have a sign ahead that says you know
[2:06:03] bump ahead you know we just have to put
[2:06:05] that package together similar to a
[2:06:07] school zone so we have a speed table
[2:06:10] package and it it anything can be done
[2:06:13] it's really I mean this is pretty
[2:06:14] standard to uh the mutcd books and
[2:06:16] things for when you have it um so I'm
[2:06:19] not I'm not too concerned about it it's
[2:06:20] just when
[2:06:22] and uh you know one I I can afford a
[2:06:25] dozen now we're starting to get into
[2:06:27] impacting other things in the budget
[2:06:29] then uh just the second part of that the
[2:06:31] maintenance issues does it permanently
[2:06:32] alter like the Integrity of the roadway
[2:06:34] or was that something that you didn't
[2:06:35] identify as an issue no it it would only
[2:06:38] alter that that location spe bump would
[2:06:41] be and it would be it would be intergal
[2:06:42] itself it would only be if we did
[2:06:44] concrete it would be you know its own
[2:06:46] its own thing which might which might be
[2:06:48] where we go with it to make it last a
[2:06:49] little longer any other questions m p so
[2:06:52] it does seem first of all thank you I
[2:06:54] know how much time you put into this and
[2:06:55] I really appreciate it um it would
[2:06:58] obviously have budget implications I'm
[2:07:00] looking at Mr Ferrari because I know he
[2:07:02] doesn't like budget implications um but
[2:07:05] obviously um whether it was speed tables
[2:07:08] whether it's enforcement whether it's um
[2:07:10] you know uh the the the the lights all
[2:07:15] the things on the lights I mean how are
[2:07:18] we able to come up with those sort of
[2:07:20] budget Pro jections in terms of what we
[2:07:22] would need to if we were looking at this
[2:07:25] comprehensively um as you just did um as
[2:07:28] opposed to just the speed limit um are
[2:07:30] we able to you know put that kind of
[2:07:32] packaging together in time for how it
[2:07:35] would impact the 2025 budget and what we
[2:07:38] would need to discuss for the 2021
[2:07:43] budget I would I would probably start
[2:07:45] with talking with Bill and Albany I
[2:07:47] believe when you set up these speed
[2:07:48] cameras there is more of a agreement
[2:07:51] part of it where the company that you
[2:07:53] sign up to do it it's like a revenue
[2:07:54] share to pay for somebody operating it
[2:07:56] so I would have to but I believe that's
[2:07:59] how that was set up um one of the things
[2:08:02] I I'll share with this this was an
[2:08:03] interesting one that we would just have
[2:08:05] to work through the logistic is
[2:08:06] apparently there is a law that with this
[2:08:10] school zone speed cameras they have to
[2:08:12] issue the tickets within 14 days or the
[2:08:15] ticket is null and that is done by the
[2:08:18] police department so they're trying to
[2:08:20] figure out you know the resources to
[2:08:23] make sure that they can turn around
[2:08:24] those tickets in a time that's adequate
[2:08:26] to be able to get it out so that's one
[2:08:28] of the things that they're looking at is
[2:08:29] that okay they're anticipating that when
[2:08:31] they get up there for the first couple
[2:08:33] of months the tickets are going to go
[2:08:35] high high generation of tickets and now
[2:08:37] they have to go through get them all out
[2:08:39] so that's a that is a a labor question
[2:08:42] that they have right
[2:08:44] now and you know if you if you guide me
[2:08:47] that way I will ask the questions and
[2:08:49] get the information like I said this is
[2:08:51] a Sandbox that I play in so I I know to
[2:08:55] get it but it's just what what do we
[2:08:56] want to do and then like you said if we
[2:08:59] if we were to bond you know you're going
[2:09:00] to come to the capital budget and if I
[2:09:01] put a bond of $1.5 million which is what
[2:09:04] a typical amount is that we would do
[2:09:06] annually um the speed tables can come
[2:09:09] out of that bonded money um that is an
[2:09:11] equ to come out of that but once again
[2:09:13] is you're you're not doing something on
[2:09:15] a road otherwise you're you're you're
[2:09:17] allocating the money differently which
[2:09:18] is fine I mean it's all for the benefit
[2:09:20] of the city but there is no nothing else
[2:09:24] new everything's getting allocated
[2:09:26] different any other questions or
[2:09:31] comments so with that being said I just
[2:09:33] wanted to clarify one point you made you
[2:09:35] said with respect to lowering the speed
[2:09:37] limit to 25 mph you were asking for
[2:09:39] additional time to see out that studies
[2:09:41] the of the year is that correct yes so
[2:09:44] the recommendation from our city
[2:09:45] engineer is to pause and allow him time
[2:09:47] to continue that work how does everyone
[2:09:49] feel about that
[2:09:52] my hair has only gotten grayer no only
[2:09:54] kidding but um I mean if we need to do
[2:09:56] that we need to do that um but um yeah I
[2:10:03] mean um but to your point Miss Patrick
[2:10:05] uh we have a proven method that does
[2:10:07] work so those speed tables I I know
[2:10:09] we're trying to weigh costs as we enter
[2:10:12] another budget season but I think with
[2:10:14] respect to loss of life I think this is
[2:10:17] not uh a complicated issue I think it's
[2:10:20] more or less just how we make those
[2:10:21] concessions with our other ask that we
[2:10:23] have with regards to the budget in the
[2:10:24] city and then asking our residents to
[2:10:27] understand if we are positioning money
[2:10:29] to affect change in this one area that
[2:10:32] might come at an expense to others
[2:10:34] because we cannot view everything uh so
[2:10:36] he making sure there's a lot of
[2:10:37] realization and understanding that the
[2:10:39] enforcement and Engineering are aspects
[2:10:41] that we can control but that education
[2:10:43] is a collective
[2:10:46] responsibility so we can take these
[2:10:48] steps but if the community is not
[2:10:49] working collaboratively with us
[2:10:51] and it will all be for and we'll be
[2:10:53] addressing the next micro mobility issue
[2:10:56] as it comes in a decade or so oh that's
[2:10:58] going to come soon yeah sooner than a
[2:11:00] DEC that's way sooner than yeah
[2:11:04] um would you like me to move forward
[2:11:06] with trying to create a city of connty
[2:11:08] procedure
[2:11:11] yes I say yes
[2:11:16] yes I say
[2:11:18] yes and then I did want to get a
[2:11:20] clarification you said if we elected to
[2:11:22] today we could put aop a stop sign on
[2:11:24] King's Road the issue was whether it be
[2:11:27] effective or not can you just clarify or
[2:11:29] did I not hear that
[2:11:31] correctly be
[2:11:34] effective well you said in the beginning
[2:11:36] so I I I know I I'm trying to be nice
[2:11:39] and uh what was the word neutral with
[2:11:42] the word is that the the article like I
[2:11:44] sent out regarding the the town Bor and
[2:11:47] bson Spa whatever their elected body is
[2:11:49] is that they thought it was in the best
[2:11:50] interest of the town and for town Safety
[2:11:53] to put that stop sign there even though
[2:11:55] they acknowledge that it did not meet
[2:11:57] the criteria laid out by the
[2:11:59] mutcd and that was how it was worded and
[2:12:02] that's how it was stated as they wanted
[2:12:03] to put it there because they felt it was
[2:12:05] in the best interest of the Town um and
[2:12:08] that's what I am saying is that you know
[2:12:09] there's a lot of we just went through
[2:12:11] some language here and I was reading out
[2:12:13] on federal highways that states that the
[2:12:15] jurisdiction ultimately has authority
[2:12:17] over their jurisdiction you know the
[2:12:19] mutcd is a manual it's not they're not
[2:12:21] going to come out and cut it down in the
[2:12:23] Boston spot article the dot acknowledged
[2:12:25] that they would not put that stop sign
[2:12:27] there but that the town has the
[2:12:29] authority to do so me being a licensed
[2:12:32] engineer I would prefer not to do things
[2:12:35] contrary to the manual that you know I
[2:12:38] want to school for so that is why you
[2:12:41] know we we're I'm just trying I'm not
[2:12:42] trying to to say that it's not possible
[2:12:45] it's impossible for you to do it if you
[2:12:46] do it you're going to get arrested
[2:12:47] they're going to tear it down it's
[2:12:49] impossible to do I'm just saying that
[2:12:50] you not get a letter of recommendation
[2:12:52] for me to put that stop sign there
[2:12:55] because it's not not one of the tools
[2:12:56] it's not one of the things that we do as
[2:12:57] Engineers to control traffic but if you
[2:13:01] believe it is affected it has been done
[2:13:04] you will find stop signs you will find
[2:13:06] signals in this city that have been put
[2:13:08] up for reasons like this so that that's
[2:13:11] where I'm trying to to put it the power
[2:13:13] can still be at this table it does not
[2:13:15] have to come through me to to do
[2:13:17] something like this you know we have
[2:13:18] signal superintendent we have the
[2:13:20] ability to do things and they that's
[2:13:24] what I kind of just wanted to make sure
[2:13:25] everybody's aware of is that by me
[2:13:26] saying that I don't support it does not
[2:13:28] mean saying that anyone is going to come
[2:13:30] and say it is
[2:13:31] illegal thank you uh any other questions
[2:13:34] there Mr Tor oh yes just relating to
[2:13:36] that thank you um what would be the
[2:13:37] legality of if we you know assigned a
[2:13:40] stop sign to King's Road um and there's
[2:13:42] a got terrible accident there and it's
[2:13:46] not under any guidelines
[2:13:53] I it's it's got to be the
[2:13:57] guidelines for stop
[2:14:01] sign
[2:14:06] yeah to make it legal to make it legal
[2:14:09] well I think it would be a mute point
[2:14:10] also I don't see an Ence of as
[2:14:12] completely disregarding or contradicting
[2:14:14] your
[2:14:16] recommendation Mr those type of
[2:14:19] situations
[2:14:21] hypothetically as opposed to any
[2:14:23] particular site you put a stop sign up
[2:14:26] where it's not recommended or the
[2:14:28] studies don't support it you're going to
[2:14:31] tend to see an increase in the rear end
[2:14:33] collisions you're going to get they may
[2:14:35] not be horrific accidents but you get
[2:14:39] personal injury accidents you get damage
[2:14:42] to cars you get people who do suffer
[2:14:45] some uh injury as a result of somebody
[2:14:48] stopping they're not geared to stop they
[2:14:51] run into them and those things also over
[2:14:55] time tend to decrease but the initial
[2:14:59] placement of it tends to create more
[2:15:03] events than not having it there thank
[2:15:06] you Mr Mayor thanks Mr yeah regarding
[2:15:09] the table in you know traffic table cing
[2:15:12] device um I would recommend that maybe
[2:15:15] you do it by ordinance giving the city
[2:15:18] engineer the authority to uh develop a
[2:15:21] policy that from time to time will be
[2:15:23] updated according to the standards of
[2:15:25] the uh Traffic Safety uh community that
[2:15:29] way it's it gives him the city engineer
[2:15:32] flexibility to update that anytime it is
[2:15:35] updated it's brought back to the council
[2:15:37] but just to delegate that and that if
[2:15:40] you're being Comm if you're committing
[2:15:41] to that table those traffic humming
[2:15:44] devices um in the in the budget process
[2:15:48] um that that would probably be a good
[2:15:50] time to do it because then you're really
[2:15:52] making the commitment you're making
[2:15:54] we're going to spend x amount of dollars
[2:15:56] for these types of devices and as such
[2:15:58] we're delegating or not delegating we're
[2:16:01] empowering or clarifying or uh clearly
[2:16:04] setting forth that the uh the city
[2:16:07] engineer has the authority and working
[2:16:09] with the signals people and the police
[2:16:11] department to develop this um standards
[2:16:15] that will be PR presented to the council
[2:16:18] and updated from time to time it's
[2:16:19] necessary notice to the
[2:16:22] council so always like asking before
[2:16:25] designor ass signing work is that a
[2:16:26] product your office can take on creating
[2:16:29] that that language that
[2:16:32] narrative creating the language
[2:16:35] just the ordinance and and regarding a
[2:16:39] policy we can work with the the engineer
[2:16:41] office regarding that that we have a as
[2:16:44] as Mr wall indicated there's a good
[2:16:45] template to work work off from the city
[2:16:48] of Rochester that made this need to be
[2:16:50] adjust
[2:16:51] so we can work
[2:16:54] with thank you any other questions or
[2:16:56] comments uh so at this point the only
[2:16:59] measure we're going to move forward with
[2:17:00] is continuing with the study to outline
[2:17:02] some additional locations and I'm going
[2:17:04] to update that update this um then
[2:17:08] there's one other recommendation because
[2:17:09] I know we get emails like from people
[2:17:11] about the 25 miles hour we're going to
[2:17:13] get them consistently I think that we
[2:17:15] should put out some statement or
[2:17:16] something that we are working on because
[2:17:18] we're being compared well Albany did it
[2:17:20] you haven't done it
[2:17:21] so to your point Mr manini if we want to
[2:17:23] let at least let people know the
[2:17:25] direction we're moving in sure and and
[2:17:27] once again Aly like I said they have
[2:17:30] done it m but it's not done right so if
[2:17:33] we do everything and we and we hurry and
[2:17:35] we try to do it we we may close to them
[2:17:38] so I mean right now if you'd like to
[2:17:41] that that's perfectly acceptable to say
[2:17:42] that we're looking at it and then if we
[2:17:43] say that we're looking at it we're going
[2:17:45] to do it then we're tied with all
[2:17:46] because they haven't done it
[2:17:50] okay well we'll put together our
[2:17:53] PSA from you to do that oh when don't
[2:17:56] you like to see us back
[2:17:57] on um well when when should we think
[2:18:00] about having you guys come back to us
[2:18:03] it's give two cycles and we'll come back
[2:18:06] and I can do update to and we can put
[2:18:07] that on there Brian's already uh I just
[2:18:09] so he's already pulled data we already
[2:18:11] have data from uh PD to try to recommend
[2:18:14] a second spot and then that'll give me
[2:18:16] some time to put together our own format
[2:18:18] with that and then Mr O'Brien can put
[2:18:20] together his language and you can see
[2:18:22] what we what we've gotten but uh I think
[2:18:25] kind of trying to do it this way maybe
[2:18:26] with a couple of updates and this this
[2:18:28] group approach I think that will be more
[2:18:30] positive to trying to get some results
[2:18:32] out of it and then getting the
[2:18:33] information into the the mayor's data
[2:18:35] report um now that we we know what we're
[2:18:37] looking for and then U I believe um both
[2:18:41] Brian and then Michael Hamilton are inas
[2:18:43] but they both signed up for the clear
[2:18:44] database so they're going to start to
[2:18:46] try to pull some GIS data so we'll see
[2:18:48] what that has GIS geographic information
[2:18:51] it's a mapping where we can try to see
[2:18:53] hot spots and things like that so a lot
[2:18:56] of information out there is just how you
[2:18:57] do that together thank you uh any other
[2:19:00] questions or comments to fall Public
[2:19:01] Safety I just do want to um reiterate
[2:19:03] that again my my goal was um I always
[2:19:07] knew that there were going to be streets
[2:19:09] that needed to remain at a higher speed
[2:19:12] um given the traffic density and and
[2:19:15] traffic flow as well as the fact that
[2:19:16] there will be districts like School
[2:19:18] District um that would be still at
[2:19:21] probably 15 mph so I just wanted to
[2:19:23] clarify that I knew that um and that you
[2:19:27] know and totally support that we have to
[2:19:30] do you know certain in certain areas
[2:19:32] that will be higher speed and I would
[2:19:34] just also like in I say in my defense of
[2:19:37] it but the when we were here previously
[2:19:41] these requests they seemed like a
[2:19:42] mountain with the state guidelines which
[2:19:45] were expc very explicit in perspective
[2:19:49] 80 percentile they had five steps that
[2:19:51] he would go through we generated a
[2:19:53] report that was 30 pages for one street
[2:19:55] and then we generated 25 the federal
[2:19:57] guidelines being simplified allow us to
[2:20:01] do things so much more streamlined and
[2:20:04] efficient that this is just what we're
[2:20:06] doing with the consultant is just going
[2:20:09] through checking everything making sure
[2:20:11] we're you know we have what we want even
[2:20:13] the conversations that I had today with
[2:20:14] Brian to get to that map with just those
[2:20:16] two streets you know that's efficient
[2:20:18] like I said is I I don't want to ber it
[2:20:21] but like this map here this is the only
[2:20:22] reason is that this particular map here
[2:20:25] is I just always remind myself that if
[2:20:27] we were a town or a village most of the
[2:20:30] what color streets are they the green
[2:20:33] and the red streets we wouldn't be able
[2:20:35] to do it cuz they wouldn't be ours they
[2:20:36] would be somebody else's jurisdiction
[2:20:38] and so you know if they're not doing it
[2:20:40] they're not even entertaining it I just
[2:20:42] want to make sure that we're stepping
[2:20:43] forward correctly um so you know have
[2:20:46] faith and I will I will be back and
[2:20:48] we'll have it could you send would you
[2:20:50] mind sending this I will send this out I
[2:20:52] meant to I was trying to hand it out and
[2:20:54] I did not have the but I will send it to
[2:20:58] to thank you thank you very very much
[2:21:01] any other questions thank you very much
[2:21:03] any other questions or concerns for
[2:21:04] public Committee hearing on may have a
[2:21:06] motion to
[2:21:08] adourn so second all those in favor I we
[2:21:12] are adjourned like to call to order the
[2:21:14] finance committee we have two items on
[2:21:16] the agenda tonight the first of which is
[2:21:18] a call for public hearing to collect
[2:21:19] feedback from City residents on the cdbg
[2:21:22] CV funding to prevent prepare for and
[2:21:25] respond to coronavirus projects Mr
[2:21:33] P hi my name is Ban Kar I'm looking for
[2:21:36] the second public hearing for the uh the
[2:21:40] C CD BG fund we got for the Corona virus
[2:21:44] pray of prent and uh that to do with
[2:21:48] that so uh
[2:21:50] that's my ask
[2:21:52] is thank you any questions or comments
[2:21:56] when was the first public heing
[2:21:58] he it should be uh in the beginning of
[2:22:01] 2022 so Mar that was the first one of
[2:22:03] March
[2:22:03] 2022 and in terms of the reporting um
[2:22:06] how does this work in terms of
[2:22:08] development and they being a part of the
[2:22:10] reporting because I know they're very
[2:22:12] involved with cdbg so this part of it is
[2:22:14] this also include something that
[2:22:16] development has to report the HUD or is
[2:22:18] this separate in the par from that it
[2:22:20] says I think it's a separate funding
[2:22:23] this 2.6 Grand million was for the
[2:22:27] separate from what B had so this was for
[2:22:30] the deployment for the Wi-Fi you know
[2:22:33] and we did uh um work with Daily Gazette
[2:22:37] for the community uh development news
[2:22:40] and things like that so probably can see
[2:22:42] the news in their Gip code on their area
[2:22:45] what is going on and also one was the
[2:22:47] stay well that is uh we partnered with
[2:22:50] hospital to put on um one device called
[2:22:54] ion to see if somebody has fever or
[2:22:57] anything like that for the uh immun
[2:23:00] deficiency uh
[2:23:03] patient thank you any other questions or
[2:23:07] concerns yes Mr chairman it's just it's
[2:23:09] part of the close out
[2:23:11] process because of this pot of money
[2:23:13] it's under the car's act they required
[2:23:15] if you do if you get the money one
[2:23:18] public hearing and then this is the
[2:23:19] close out publicar hearing so this is
[2:23:21] part of the closeout PO process so um
[2:23:24] this is part of theed process back to
[2:23:29] the thank you uh any
[2:23:33] others may have a
[2:23:35] motion so Mo I'll second all those in
[2:23:40] favor the next item on the agenda is the
[2:23:43] ARA der foundation/ Empowerment Center
[2:23:47] uh and car resource center fund
[2:23:49] reallocation m
[2:23:51] good evening mayor and City Council
[2:23:54] Members before I move into my
[2:23:56] legislative request Madam president okay
[2:23:58] if I just share for a
[2:24:00] moment so we're here today talking about
[2:24:03] ARA next week I'm coming up on my one
[2:24:06] year here with the city of SKC so it had
[2:24:08] me reflecting on that time my second day
[2:24:11] on the job Anthony and Dereck says hey
[2:24:13] Alex do you remind on reporting on R for
[2:24:17] the city council and I came up here
[2:24:19] really reading off of a paper trying to
[2:24:21] figure it out so we have come a long way
[2:24:23] in 12 months and I just wanted to say a
[2:24:25] couple of thank yous um first off Mr
[2:24:27] Mayor thank you thank you thank you
[2:24:29] thank you for your open door policy
[2:24:31] where allow me the space to come into
[2:24:33] your office five out of five days to be
[2:24:35] my authentic self with your leadership
[2:24:37] and guidance given to me I appreciate
[2:24:39] you to the city council members thank
[2:24:42] you thank you so much thank you for your
[2:24:43] dedication to the residents and taxpayer
[2:24:46] here at the city and some of you thank
[2:24:48] you for your support in more ways than
[2:24:49] one you know who you are thank you for
[2:24:51] the calls the check in I truly
[2:24:53] appreciate it to my colleagues here at
[2:24:56] the city of SKC who have made the
[2:24:57] transition in this role and helping me
[2:25:00] get acclimated to support answering all
[2:25:02] of my silly questions Chris Wallen Chris
[2:25:04] Lum Paul Leon Al the maintenance team
[2:25:07] the Law Department ban and my buddies
[2:25:09] and it codes Molly the entire Finance
[2:25:12] team my city clerk family the mayor's
[2:25:15] office and their team as I would say l
[2:25:17] Dy and everybody and last but certainly
[2:25:20] not not leas my wonderful wonderful team
[2:25:22] in the department of development we have
[2:25:24] succeeded four HUD audits in the last 12
[2:25:27] months revamped our collaborative tree
[2:25:29] program managed over $17.1 million in
[2:25:32] federal funding 14 million of that is
[2:25:34] the ARA funding that was pushed out to
[2:25:36] our local organizations and nonprofits
[2:25:38] and the City of SKC the remainder is our
[2:25:40] cdbg home and ESG funding we've
[2:25:43] identified the gaps in our processes
[2:25:45] we've updated our internal processes and
[2:25:47] procedures for Community Development
[2:25:49] we've even implemented a new CRM system
[2:25:52] to manage Our Community Development
[2:25:54] Federal fundings we've established
[2:25:56] internal workflows including other
[2:25:57] departments we have increased in
[2:25:59] capacity which was a big deal we on
[2:26:02] boarded two part-time Community
[2:26:03] Development team members a Community
[2:26:05] Development supervisor and an assistant
[2:26:07] planner and most of all the morale in my
[2:26:10] department is boosted and I just wanted
[2:26:12] to simply just take a couple minutes to
[2:26:13] thank each and every one of you for your
[2:26:15] partnership to the community for giving
[2:26:17] me grace and patience as I learned in
[2:26:19] the Justin this we've been walking all
[2:26:21] year so get ready we're going to start
[2:26:23] jogging so thank you and I I see the
[2:26:25] mayor is getting terized so I probably
[2:26:27] should move on my legislative request
[2:26:31] you're not going anywhere right
[2:26:34] no she's got she's got an official
[2:26:37] shirt um so today we are addressing arpa
[2:26:41] funding D Foundation Empowerment Center
[2:26:44] and the Carver re resource center for
[2:26:46] reallocation the arpa allocation for
[2:26:49] Empowerment Center and D total $1
[2:26:52] m75 $875,000 of that was allocated to
[2:26:56] the Empowerment Center and2 200,000 was
[2:26:59] allocated to the DOR Foundation the
[2:27:02] Carver Center had
[2:27:04] $1,250,000 allocated for their
[2:27:07] Rehabilitation and that was noted in
[2:27:09] resolution
[2:27:10] 22-
[2:27:12] 214 today the DOR Foundation is asking
[2:27:15] to separate their $200,000 ARA
[2:27:18] allocation from the Empowerment Center
[2:27:20] in addition they are requesting
[2:27:24] $139,400 from the Empowerment Center
[2:27:27] allocation giving them a total of
[2:27:30] $339,500 to be used for operating cost
[2:27:34] at the 311 huet Street property the
[2:27:37] second ask is the Empowerment Center the
[2:27:39] Empowerment Center ARA allocation amount
[2:27:43] that would be left if we give Derby the
[2:27:46] additional
[2:27:47] 139,900 would be7 94
[2:27:52] sorry forgive me the the Empowerment
[2:27:55] Center balance to date is
[2:28:04] $794,000 that they are asking for in
[2:28:08] addition to their 200k the balance for
[2:28:11] the Empowerment Center will be
[2:28:17] [Music]
[2:28:19] $654,900
[2:28:20] [Music]
[2:28:22] $1,250,000 remain with the Carver Center
[2:28:25] in addition to the balance left from the
[2:28:27] Empowerment Center of the
[2:28:35] $654,900
[2:28:37] 4$ 1,
[2:28:43] 94786 thank you so the ask is the city
[2:28:46] council consider the above that was just
[2:28:49] noted
[2:28:50] any questions or
[2:28:52] comments inspect I fully support um the
[2:28:56] idea of giving the Dory Foundation which
[2:28:59] I always mispronounced I thought it was
[2:29:00] du but okay um the uh
[2:29:07] $39,375
[2:29:09] 3 um we attend a couple a few of us
[2:29:12] attended the meeting the other day and
[2:29:14] they are currently doing that work um so
[2:29:17] this would allow them to continue doing
[2:29:19] that work so I do support that um and
[2:29:23] then obviously the next one is just what
[2:29:25] the balance would then be for the
[2:29:26] Empowerment Center um I still have some
[2:29:29] questions about the the Carver um so I
[2:29:32] wanted to hear a little bit more about
[2:29:34] um that perhaps from in terms of I know
[2:29:37] that in terms of the building and and
[2:29:39] maybe from the mayor in terms of what
[2:29:41] you what you thought um moving forward
[2:29:43] with that but I I really would like to
[2:29:45] support the I don't know if you want to
[2:29:47] do this separately or as one but well
[2:29:50] have to do sep resolutions for for the
[2:29:51] um for J and then we'll have to discuss
[2:29:54] the other part of
[2:29:55] it so I'd be happy to make them well I
[2:29:58] think we going leave it open to others
[2:30:00] to have questions or comments okay any
[2:30:04] so I I attended the meeting where um D
[2:30:07] came and asked for their additional
[2:30:08] funding and I just you know want to
[2:30:10] point out that it's been a couple years
[2:30:11] since we've been going down this road
[2:30:13] with this funding and in the meantime
[2:30:15] we've we've funded multiple other
[2:30:18] projects and so we're getting to the
[2:30:19] point where we have to be at the end of
[2:30:21] this year have to allocate These funds
[2:30:24] in order for that for it to you know
[2:30:26] otherwise we would not be able to
[2:30:27] allocate it to this agency so I'm in
[2:30:29] full support of this keeping in mind
[2:30:31] that initial initially Zuri asked for a
[2:30:34] lot more money however in the process a
[2:30:36] couple years ago they were put together
[2:30:38] with the empowerments that are not at
[2:30:39] their request but as as a decision in
[2:30:42] development um prior so um to me for
[2:30:45] them to ask now for this amount of money
[2:30:47] um which is still overall less than what
[2:30:49] they were asking for and it's not stated
[2:30:51] here but their project is uh cost is
[2:30:54] more because they have to they already
[2:30:55] have a building but they have already
[2:30:57] gone ahead and gotten the funding to do
[2:30:59] the building initially they asked for us
[2:31:01] for the funding but it took so long that
[2:31:03] they um went to another source to make
[2:31:05] sure that they had the money for the
[2:31:06] funding so we would have to change it in
[2:31:08] that way as well because the use of the
[2:31:10] funds are now to do programming as
[2:31:12] opposed to um rehabing the building
[2:31:15] because but they've already got funding
[2:31:16] for that so additional money and also
[2:31:18] change of use the CH they in our in the
[2:31:22] resolution previously done it was just
[2:31:24] for programm and not for Rehab 200,000
[2:31:27] so we would okay but we just have to
[2:31:29] increase it yes all right so I'm I'm
[2:31:31] fully in support of of of that and for
[2:31:35] just for clarity the Empowerment Center
[2:31:37] as it stands will not exist at 818
[2:31:40] Albany Street which was originally the
[2:31:42] process and some of the money that
[2:31:43] you'll see that's gone from the budget
[2:31:45] is went to into stabilizing the building
[2:31:47] so but that's not where it would happen
[2:31:49] so the Empowerment Center would be a
[2:31:51] part of the caror Cooperative project
[2:31:54] that that's being worked on uh so it
[2:31:57] doesn't exists in its own as a stand
[2:31:59] alone because you know people that's
[2:32:01] been a question that's been kicked
[2:32:02] around but the services that they would
[2:32:04] provide would exist within um the Carver
[2:32:10] building so um and and and let me just
[2:32:13] say I do support uh that we continue
[2:32:15] moving ahead and look for other funding
[2:32:17] in order to do this project within with
[2:32:20] in Harbor just taking a look at the
[2:32:22] community and the investment that we
[2:32:23] need to have happen people have
[2:32:25] continually been asking I know it's been
[2:32:27] a road and one organization who had it
[2:32:29] and then they moved away from it that
[2:32:31] doesn't mean that the need has gone away
[2:32:33] the need still exists so um the city
[2:32:36] we've identified ways to support other
[2:32:38] organizations and agencies so I suggest
[2:32:41] that we strongly look at ways and uh to
[2:32:44] to uh support this organization and
[2:32:46] agency in a community that's really um
[2:32:49] that needs a service and Carver's been
[2:32:52] staple know it's been a while and just
[2:32:55] for the facts it wasn't people from the
[2:32:56] community it wasn't under their control
[2:32:59] that it went to its current state so
[2:33:01] just want to state that as well but I
[2:33:02] would support us not only giving this
[2:33:04] funding but finding other ways to help
[2:33:06] them get other funding and and nailing
[2:33:08] down I know they said they have other
[2:33:09] funding sources but nailing those down
[2:33:12] and finding out what those gaps are so
[2:33:14] to see if there's ways that we can um
[2:33:16] close the gap they said they had a a
[2:33:18] verbal commit from the county and I
[2:33:20] forgot the other source Sant Barb and
[2:33:22] Santa Barbara's office so they said they
[2:33:24] had verbal commitments and I recommend
[2:33:26] rather than counting them out that we
[2:33:28] look at what those commitments are and
[2:33:29] get them strong commitments and then see
[2:33:31] how we can fill a gap to move this that
[2:33:33] project forward as well any other
[2:33:36] questions or comments on Mr yeah so I
[2:33:38] would absolutely U 100% support our and
[2:33:42] I would just note that I think that even
[2:33:44] this um their request is extremely
[2:33:46] humble um I think that's it's a very
[2:33:48] humble request Bas of the work that
[2:33:50] they've been doing already without us
[2:33:52] being able to get them the resources
[2:33:55] that they needed in a timely manner one
[2:33:57] indicator of someone's dedication to a
[2:33:59] project is that they're going to find a
[2:34:00] way and so they haven't been just
[2:34:02] talking they've been really doing and I
[2:34:04] think that um you know not only do I
[2:34:07] think that we need to support them with
[2:34:09] they're ass I think that you know I
[2:34:10] appreciate all the work that you're
[2:34:11] doing in your office we're so blessed to
[2:34:13] have you here and I think a big part of
[2:34:15] that work is partnering with them to
[2:34:17] even not only help them with the
[2:34:18] resources that we can give them but
[2:34:20] helping finding some more other
[2:34:22] resources to support the work they're
[2:34:24] doing I think it's absolute no-brainer
[2:34:26] and I would really struggle to find out
[2:34:27] why anybody else at the table would
[2:34:29] think anything
[2:34:30] different any other question there yeah
[2:34:33] I attended the meeting as well my
[2:34:35] question is on the
[2:34:38] Carver there was some concern to have
[2:34:40] enough money for the building
[2:34:43] rehab um operational costs are another
[2:34:47] is not part of the request
[2:34:50] and that's another conversation but the
[2:34:52] building do we will this 1.25 plus the 6
[2:34:58] 154,000 get us there do do we know would
[2:35:02] look for the council to just deal with
[2:35:05] the dur uh component of this tonight and
[2:35:09] look to put together those other numbers
[2:35:11] cuz right now I'm not comfortable with
[2:35:14] enough money on the table to do the
[2:35:17] appropriate rehab or the rehab that's
[2:35:19] been outline in that building that we're
[2:35:21] still working on that I been support
[2:35:25] forward
[2:35:27] that well that's why I'm saying they've
[2:35:29] had other verbal commitments so we would
[2:35:30] look to them to get those firm
[2:35:32] commitments to see if they could get to
[2:35:34] whatever that whatever the number is the
[2:35:36] mayor stated at the meeting that it
[2:35:37] needed to was going to be higher than it
[2:35:39] was when they initially asked for but
[2:35:41] they're not there's no one present from
[2:35:43] the organization tonight but they did
[2:35:45] say that they you know had a plan so we
[2:35:48] would have to hear what their plan is
[2:35:49] and how much funding they had to back
[2:35:50] their plan okay Patrick yeah I'd like to
[2:35:54] say that I mean again the players that
[2:35:56] were here the other night I I support
[2:35:58] them and I um have talked with both of
[2:36:00] them the folks that were here the other
[2:36:02] day from Carver um and I
[2:36:05] just it's gone through a lot of changes
[2:36:08] over the years um even just since I've
[2:36:10] been on Council in terms of what the
[2:36:12] mission statement was for the um
[2:36:15] programming within the Carver so um I do
[2:36:19] want to say that I support that aspect
[2:36:21] of course of of what's Happening um and
[2:36:25] I do appreciate also that I know that um
[2:36:28] from M Carver's office that there'd be
[2:36:31] support and there'd be technical
[2:36:33] assistance which is something we've
[2:36:34] talked about for a long time uh so that
[2:36:36] would be really great as well um I would
[2:36:41] say that one of the things that we did
[2:36:43] when we did award them the initial arpa
[2:36:46] funding when it was in a previous
[2:36:48] incarnation um we had a we had a
[2:36:50] contingency in terms of you know by when
[2:36:53] they would get the remaining funds um in
[2:36:56] place solidly to be able to move forward
[2:36:59] with the project and so I just throw
[2:37:01] that out to see what people think about
[2:37:02] that and whether we need to do that
[2:37:04] again because we are coming up on you
[2:37:07] know a deadline of being able to spend
[2:37:09] the money in a way
[2:37:12] that you know we want to make sure that
[2:37:14] money gets spent um by the time that the
[2:37:16] federal government needs us to have it
[2:37:18] spent so I just throw that out there so
[2:37:22] I'd say what I feel comfortable um
[2:37:24] saying is first I want to make sure we
[2:37:25] give credit to the individuals that got
[2:37:27] us this conversation that was the
[2:37:29] original crew for like a better words
[2:37:31] that was leading that Miracle on credit
[2:37:33] conversation uh very much there was a
[2:37:34] lot of learning and uh carrying this
[2:37:37] conversation throughout truly a pandemic
[2:37:39] uh and it was a credit to their uh
[2:37:42] dedication not only to the community but
[2:37:43] seeing that this building that was
[2:37:45] dilapitated comes back to life uh from
[2:37:49] that there were a lot of questions about
[2:37:51] uh their ability to kind of structure
[2:37:53] and make sure that ourselves as
[2:37:55] legislators we feel comfortable
[2:37:57] designated large swaps of money because
[2:37:59] we need to have a plan in place and I
[2:38:01] see the transition and transformation
[2:38:03] that has happened since then with this
[2:38:05] new uh I guess reinvigoration of this
[2:38:09] current um project and how how it was
[2:38:12] presented to us I understand that this
[2:38:15] is not going to fully fill that Gap but
[2:38:19] there have been other projects that have
[2:38:21] not been fully allocated for and that we
[2:38:23] have comfortably allowed them time to
[2:38:25] continue as is reference YWCA and the
[2:38:29] confidence and their ability to fill
[2:38:32] those gaps I think there was a slight
[2:38:33] hole not not and in compar in comparison
[2:38:36] to the entire budget our reflection was
[2:38:39] we trust that you will figure it
[2:38:43] out as we've had these conversations it
[2:38:46] has talked about equitability and being
[2:38:49] transparent with not just our community
[2:38:52] with this project uh again I think the
[2:38:54] additional money allocating to that this
[2:38:56] gets them closer I think as Miss pfield
[2:38:59] has identified there are other players
[2:39:01] external Partners who's similar to what
[2:39:04] happened beautifully with my side where
[2:39:06] this funding stream was able to be
[2:39:08] identified to keep this resource within
[2:39:10] our
[2:39:11] city I am confident this will be able to
[2:39:14] occur again and then in my conversations
[2:39:16] with members of their program team it
[2:39:18] was made clear that if we were able to
[2:39:20] position the city in a way that we could
[2:39:22] leverage our capacity that again will
[2:39:25] make that Gap slightly smaller and then
[2:39:28] just so I can capture this for everyone
[2:39:30] in the room but also listening again
[2:39:32] getting to the end of the year doesn't
[2:39:33] mean the project has to be done the
[2:39:35] money is has to be a lotted so there's
[2:39:36] truly no timeline in place as long as we
[2:39:39] can confidently say we are moving
[2:39:41] forward I don't think it is anyone's
[2:39:42] interest to have fund a project but
[2:39:46] again keep it in line with the manner in
[2:39:48] which we respond to other projects I
[2:39:50] don't think saying no or waiting I think
[2:39:54] that sends a disservice to
[2:39:56] them so your to manag abely uh any
[2:40:01] questions or comments I'm Sorry Miss
[2:40:03] Patrick well I just I do want to back up
[2:40:05] because some of the other organizations
[2:40:06] that approached us for uh funding for
[2:40:09] example thew to your
[2:40:13] example has been in operation for
[2:40:17] decades um successfully doing doing
[2:40:19] their work so this is a is different
[2:40:22] because we will be taking a chance on an
[2:40:25] organization that has not at all started
[2:40:28] their work
[2:40:30] um in this in this Incarnation so again
[2:40:33] I respect the leadership of the new
[2:40:36] project um but it's apples and oranges
[2:40:39] to try to compare it to something like
[2:40:41] the YW because the YW has been
[2:40:43] successfully doing their work for I want
[2:40:46] to say like 100 years or something 135
[2:40:50] years so you know we know that making
[2:40:53] that investment um there was experience
[2:40:55] and expertise there um with a track
[2:40:57] record for how they were going to use
[2:40:59] the fund so I just I just wanted to
[2:41:01] clarify that Mr So to that um I would
[2:41:05] say that when we talk about um funding
[2:41:08] and funding allocation in terms of eff
[2:41:11] what we have to understand is some
[2:41:12] someone like the Y who has been around
[2:41:14] for a long time doing a lot of valuable
[2:41:16] work part of the reason why they can do
[2:41:20] that work is because they have the
[2:41:21] capacity to do the work so we're talking
[2:41:24] about Grassroots initiatives and not
[2:41:26] making decisions for people but making
[2:41:28] decisions with people part of the the
[2:41:30] culture if you will um of the original
[2:41:33] intent was that things would have moved
[2:41:35] a lot faster and even more maybe
[2:41:38] efficient from a business lens if if the
[2:41:42] leadership group there was just saying
[2:41:45] this is what the community needs and
[2:41:46] this is what we're going to do really
[2:41:47] what they're saying is that they're
[2:41:49] getting getting that feedback from the
[2:41:50] community um they're leveraging um what
[2:41:53] is tons of Highly highly skilled people
[2:41:56] and highly skilled people uh skill sets
[2:41:58] within the community to come together to
[2:42:01] to to make this project work so when you
[2:42:04] look at it through the lens of this is
[2:42:06] community
[2:42:07] based um and not just you know they
[2:42:11] don't have the same capacity of some of
[2:42:13] our big box nonprofits that have been
[2:42:15] doing the work for some time then that's
[2:42:18] literally the definition of equity is
[2:42:21] that you're giving people what they need
[2:42:23] in order to be successful luckily to the
[2:42:25] why for years and years of funding and
[2:42:28] support um and other nonprofits that
[2:42:31] have benefited from um uh systemically
[2:42:34] unjust and inequitable system of course
[2:42:37] they're in a position to do some of the
[2:42:39] work that they're doing look at a a
[2:42:42] project like um what we're referring to
[2:42:45] as Carver at this point you know they
[2:42:47] haven't had that institutional support
[2:42:49] for um the decades so I don't expect so
[2:42:53] to your point it is apples apples to
[2:42:55] oranges but maybe if we're looking at it
[2:42:57] from a different advantage point it's
[2:42:59] just highlights the extreme inequitable
[2:43:01] and injust treatment of small community
[2:43:04] um nonprofit trying to do big work and
[2:43:06] I'm glad that we're all in support of D
[2:43:08] because I think that even though
[2:43:10] something like d has not came to us
[2:43:12] multiple times over decades fund and
[2:43:14] they've been doing work in the community
[2:43:16] for 180 years so it's like when we think
[2:43:18] about that just because we haven't seen
[2:43:20] the work that's been done um in that
[2:43:22] more in that broader scope of like a a
[2:43:25] nonprofit sector the people that are at
[2:43:29] the helm of this have been doing the
[2:43:30] work collectively I would say for for at
[2:43:33] least 100 years all the people that you
[2:43:35] have the leadership so you have to
[2:43:37] really make sure that we're
[2:43:37] acknowledging that because that's the
[2:43:39] definition of
[2:43:43] equity we're not doing that any other
[2:43:46] questions or comments uh m um so I just
[2:43:50] wanted to highlight that with the
[2:43:53] investment that the city is making on a
[2:43:54] crave name connection it's important
[2:43:57] that we address the Carver Center one
[2:44:00] way or another um so I just want to
[2:44:03] stress that we we have a lot of money
[2:44:05] that we are putting in um to that
[2:44:07] project so to we need to find a way to
[2:44:10] execute it I know that um the mayor has
[2:44:13] suggested that the city may keep
[2:44:15] ownership and give the co-op a pathway
[2:44:17] to ownership but that still doesn't take
[2:44:19] that still doesn't take the pressure off
[2:44:21] the city with being able to find the
[2:44:23] funds for The Gap um it's not a one
[2:44:27] person thing here this is going to take
[2:44:28] the collective um the collective group
[2:44:32] because or else the mayor will be upset
[2:44:33] with me for
[2:44:35] saying so um yes I was going to bring
[2:44:38] the Craig name that's coming up so I
[2:44:39] think that's important that we keep that
[2:44:41] in mind we would just want to have a
[2:44:42] building that's standing there and I
[2:44:43] don't want to call it deric cuz it's you
[2:44:44] know uh it's not deric it's actually
[2:44:47] standing pretty strong for the number of
[2:44:48] years in it's been there it's you know
[2:44:50] and the um the mlc group PRI to this did
[2:44:52] some Sweat Equity inside so they really
[2:44:55] tried really hard but let's keep in mind
[2:44:57] they weren't actually given any um
[2:44:59] funding necessarily it was on a
[2:45:00] reimbursement basis which was
[2:45:01] challenging for a small organization and
[2:45:05] to say that you know the Y has been
[2:45:07] doing work for a very long time but
[2:45:08] they've also got continuous support even
[2:45:10] in this instance the money that we um
[2:45:13] providing for this project for um
[2:45:16] consistently cdbg over the years so they
[2:45:19] have that track record because we've
[2:45:20] been supporting it over those years so
[2:45:23] we when we start looking at newer
[2:45:24] organizations I'm going to use the Coco
[2:45:26] house they've been around for a while
[2:45:28] and they did a lot on their own um and
[2:45:30] the reason they're able to substate even
[2:45:31] though they're much newer than the YW is
[2:45:34] because the city provided that support
[2:45:36] as well and they moved forward so I and
[2:45:39] I see us trying to do the same kind of
[2:45:41] thing with the Carter which has been
[2:45:44] there for very long time but because
[2:45:46] because of the leadership at the time it
[2:45:48] it just went on
[2:45:49] so um to respond to a community response
[2:45:52] and then as a city to to look at it the
[2:45:54] same way we look at some long
[2:45:56] established agencies like the why I
[2:45:58] think it's important for us to do and
[2:46:00] not to just have it standing there we
[2:46:01] can't build beautiful around it and do
[2:46:04] this wonderful cman connection and
[2:46:05] narrow the streets and have a bike path
[2:46:07] and do all that stuff and then have the
[2:46:08] building there unkempt so I I really we
[2:46:12] have to you know pull that plan together
[2:46:14] help with that plan so that it can move
[2:46:16] forward and the city's keeping ownership
[2:46:18] until they can move a pathway then
[2:46:20] that's fine but something we can't just
[2:46:22] say nothing any other questions or
[2:46:26] comments uh so hearing n
[2:46:30] sorry I I fully support public
[2:46:33] initiatives and and now as a associate
[2:46:35] commissioner of the state we invested a
[2:46:37] $9 million project into how we grow 9
[2:46:41] million grow yeah how do we you know Jal
[2:46:44] Justice settings how do we grow like so
[2:46:46] the big box AG don't get bigger how do
[2:46:50] we find ways to invest in those
[2:46:52] Community Based agencies that serve the
[2:46:53] community that live that the agencies in
[2:46:57] those communities are growing and not
[2:47:00] necessarily those larger agencies um so
[2:47:02] I I fully support this initiative the
[2:47:05] only
[2:47:06] what sorry so so but but working at a
[2:47:11] nonprofit I do see the challenges in in
[2:47:13] in m in maintaining and getting these
[2:47:15] funding sources and how labor intensive
[2:47:17] they are um um first thing I think we
[2:47:20] need to look at is do we have enough to
[2:47:22] do we have the building if we
[2:47:26] do and haror project doesn't come up
[2:47:30] with the funding to start operational
[2:47:32] programming do we not give them the
[2:47:34] building I mean are there contingencies
[2:47:36] we like our commitment here is to reh
[2:47:38] have a building and do we move ahead
[2:47:41] with that but if the operational funding
[2:47:44] is not there or we're not satisfied with
[2:47:47] that we still transfer ownership and we
[2:47:49] give them opportunities to start
[2:47:51] operations and then decide that I I mean
[2:47:54] I don't know if those are options to
[2:47:55] consider but I I think as much as we can
[2:47:58] as a body and work with the count and
[2:47:59] make this work we should make it work I
[2:48:02] I like the concepts I I like the
[2:48:04] opportunities of programming in the
[2:48:06] communities that they serve um just like
[2:48:09] how do we collectively find a way to
[2:48:11] help them make that work it's possible
[2:48:13] um I like the momentum I like The
[2:48:15] Passion of the people that allow to
[2:48:16] serve their community and and and
[2:48:18] partner with us and I I would just like
[2:48:20] to you know um keep that momentum going
[2:48:23] and see what we can do both as the
[2:48:24] council and the county and look at ways
[2:48:27] we can make this work so I would say in
[2:48:30] part to that there's a reflection of
[2:48:33] teamwork and that no one person or no
[2:48:36] one organization is successful on their
[2:48:37] own I would say case in point by that
[2:48:40] lovely lovely uh uh depiction of all the
[2:48:43] work that you've done in a short amount
[2:48:45] of time truly is a reflection of not
[2:48:47] yourself it is the the supports that you
[2:48:49] have surrounding you in no way as you
[2:48:52] discussed the Carver project has there
[2:48:55] any sense of concern or weariness I
[2:48:57] think it is all the more confidence that
[2:48:59] if you can apply the successful measures
[2:49:02] that you allowed to successfully Drive
[2:49:05] these other projects into closing which
[2:49:07] truly is an accomplishment I don't know
[2:49:08] if anyone remembers where we were a year
[2:49:10] ago uh we are in a truly different place
[2:49:12] thank you to your leadership and joining
[2:49:14] this Sky family Sky Team um but where
[2:49:18] they are now is not a depiction of of
[2:49:21] where of where they will remain is kind
[2:49:24] of what I'm getting at so there's no
[2:49:26] wishful thinking or or hopeful
[2:49:27] conjecture truly that the like you said
[2:49:30] the momentum is going forward so are we
[2:49:31] going to salate that or are we going to
[2:49:33] get behind them and push harder and I
[2:49:35] think we do that by making the decision
[2:49:37] tonight and allowing Miss Carver to
[2:49:39] continue doing the work that is evident
[2:49:41] so that this group this this this
[2:49:43] community carver can move forward and
[2:49:46] then we transition our Focus to
[2:49:48] addressing how how do we bring in Secure
[2:49:50] those funding those funding streams and
[2:49:51] those dollars so that we have that not
[2:49:53] as a hope but as a a a a cemented
[2:49:58] commitment so with that any other
[2:50:00] questions or
[2:50:02] comments Mr Harley so just I don't I I I
[2:50:06] really want to be mindful that cuz what
[2:50:09] I'm hearing I don't think that we are uh
[2:50:13] pting one agency's records against
[2:50:16] another I want to be clear that that
[2:50:18] that's that's what I'm hearing from any
[2:50:19] of my fellow council members what I'm
[2:50:22] what I'm thinking I'm hearing inment
[2:50:24] from is concerns about sustainability
[2:50:27] once you make the investment in the
[2:50:28] project and I think that the Equitable
[2:50:31] response to that is to assist as much as
[2:50:34] we can help to capacity build to make
[2:50:36] sure that um that that the project is a
[2:50:39] success and really just check the way
[2:50:44] that we are valuing the skill sets of
[2:50:47] the people that are involved with the
[2:50:48] project CU again even though there might
[2:50:49] not be that institutional um length of
[2:50:53] track record there's definitely um
[2:50:56] individual success in the work that's
[2:50:59] been happening in the community and that
[2:51:00] is one of some of the things that people
[2:51:02] like at the big nonprofits that's the
[2:51:05] talent that they seek to go hire people
[2:51:07] from the community to do what they're
[2:51:09] doing so that's a really um valuable
[2:51:11] skill set so I think that we I just want
[2:51:13] to uplift and amplify that and at the
[2:51:14] same time I think that we all are kind
[2:51:16] of talking the same language or just
[2:51:17] trying to figure out the best we for
[2:51:19] right yes I just have to say in defense
[2:51:23] of my profession of being in nonprofit
[2:51:26] and being a fundraiser in nonprofit from
[2:51:28] which I'm now retired but I have to say
[2:51:31] that I don't consider big box as an
[2:51:35] appropriate term for a Bethesda house a
[2:51:37] SCA a YWCA a City Mission they're all
[2:51:42] organizations that struggle
[2:51:45] struggle to well I'm just saying I mean
[2:51:48] I I guess I I just have to say that
[2:51:50] they're all in my mind small nonprofits
[2:51:53] serving this community meeting a need
[2:51:56] each one of them has a mission that they
[2:51:57] are definitely um you know serving the
[2:52:01] people that come to them for services
[2:52:03] and they all I can tell you from my
[2:52:06] years of working in this community um as
[2:52:09] a fundraiser they are out there pound
[2:52:12] indoors um every day trying to find the
[2:52:16] funding that they need uh to exist to
[2:52:19] excel to succeed so none of them have
[2:52:22] money trees in the backyard as my father
[2:52:24] used to accuse me of thinking he had um
[2:52:27] they all are needing to really pound the
[2:52:30] pavement and look for dollars um so I
[2:52:34] just I just I support what yall are
[2:52:36] saying and I'm I I'll vote the way
[2:52:40] you're saying but I just want to go back
[2:52:43] the agencies that I had in mind were not
[2:52:45] anything that was started locally they
[2:52:48] ser State have every Community
[2:52:50] throughout the state got yeah okay
[2:52:53] thanks yeah so for clarity um there are
[2:52:57] these things like so let's just talk
[2:52:59] about the the the infrastructure really
[2:53:02] quickly about the the agencies that I'm
[2:53:04] talking about when I say Big B
[2:53:07] nonprofits I'm talking about you know an
[2:53:09] operation budget you know that's you
[2:53:11] know over you know5 $6 million you know
[2:53:14] what I mean that's what that's what I
[2:53:15] mean um do you could tell through my
[2:53:19] voting record of supporting these
[2:53:20] agencies um and my uh contribution
[2:53:24] showing up over the years that I
[2:53:26] definitely support and value them what
[2:53:28] I'm saying is that if we look at the
[2:53:31] city's track record of how we've been
[2:53:33] allocating funds to certain nonprofits
[2:53:36] it's been happening over a period of
[2:53:38] time years and years and years and I
[2:53:41] continue I think we should continue
[2:53:42] along that path but it's but we need to
[2:53:44] be clear that when we're talking about
[2:53:47] Equitable we can't just say that word if
[2:53:49] we're not going to do
[2:53:50] it doing it is looking at the scope of
[2:53:53] what people's capacity is recognizing
[2:53:56] the strengths and then are if we're in a
[2:53:58] if we're in a position to help them then
[2:54:00] we can't just support them in words we
[2:54:01] need to do it in actions and that's what
[2:54:03] I'm saying so again I feel like the
[2:54:06] conversation is going towards like we're
[2:54:08] starting to pit them against each other
[2:54:10] and that's not what we need to be doing
[2:54:12] no I don't think anybody's doing that
[2:54:13] what I'm saying is what I'm saying is
[2:54:16] the man's point I speak for myself very
[2:54:18] very clearly is that I I've never
[2:54:21] insinuated that did any of these
[2:54:22] nonprofits have more money than what
[2:54:24] they know to do with I'm saying that if
[2:54:26] there is a set plot of money then we
[2:54:28] have decisions to make and we need to
[2:54:29] make those decisions equitably if we're
[2:54:30] going to say that word every other five
[2:54:34] minutes so i' say as I prepare to call
[2:54:37] for a motion I would say just so it's
[2:54:39] clear and understood my position in no
[2:54:41] way do I plan to deviate from getting to
[2:54:44] a a point where you are comfortable with
[2:54:47] supporting all all this money in my mind
[2:54:49] needs to go to Carver uh Point Blank and
[2:54:52] I thank the work that your team has done
[2:54:54] and getting us to this pathway and I
[2:54:55] think with that that is one of what's so
[2:54:58] many remaining steps in line to get them
[2:55:01] into a grand opening where the community
[2:55:02] can truly Embrace this resource once
[2:55:04] again uh so with that if there are no
[2:55:07] other questions or comments um so yeah
[2:55:10] so I just want to point out Miss M
[2:55:12] Carver has mentioned this before that in
[2:55:15] terms of looking at the funding sources
[2:55:16] she's looking at how who we funded over
[2:55:19] and over again in ways to increase that
[2:55:21] funding to other organizations that have
[2:55:23] not had the ability to do that so that
[2:55:24] is something among the all other many
[2:55:26] things that she's doing so well that
[2:55:28] that she is looking at so we you as a
[2:55:30] council be able to see that coming
[2:55:31] forward as
[2:55:35] well uh kind left I looking for some
[2:55:39] discretion do we need to look at each of
[2:55:41] these items
[2:55:42] individually on this one okay perfect so
[2:55:44] may I have a motion about proceeding
[2:55:46] forward with the Dury reot so Mo second
[2:55:50] all those in favor I I and then the
[2:55:53] remaining items we will come before the
[2:55:55] council again and we'll come back with
[2:55:57] discussion after this all right thank
[2:55:59] you again thank you thank you thank you
[2:56:01] are there any other items to follow the
[2:56:03] finance committee none may have motion
[2:56:05] to adourn so move second all those in
[2:56:07] favor I we areour thank you I'd like to
[2:56:10] call the order of City development and
[2:56:12] planning there are 11 items on the
[2:56:15] agenda okay I'm just going to wait a
[2:56:17] minute cuz it look like the room the
[2:56:18] clear
[2:57:13] pass sneaky could you move him away from
[2:57:14] the
[2:57:16] door no thank
[2:57:23] you they're going to listen to
[2:57:32] the okay so I've called together um City
[2:57:35] development planning our first item on
[2:57:37] the agenda is a word bidden contract for
[2:57:39] disconnected City Hall ventilation
[2:57:40] replacement Mr
[2:57:42] Wallen hello hi I feel unpopular now
[2:57:50] uh so the first one we have here SED
[2:57:52] City Hall ventilation
[2:57:54] is no no I'm just trying
[2:57:59] that this is one of two bids we did not
[2:58:02] get a bid for the mechanical portion of
[2:58:05] it it is out uh as a rebid right now but
[2:58:07] there's no reason that we can't reward
[2:58:09] the electrical portion of it um what
[2:58:12] this is to do is one of my bucketless
[2:58:14] projects when I started uh was to
[2:58:17] reinstate the broken ventilation system
[2:58:20] in City Hall um that system will not um
[2:58:24] affect most of the rooms however it will
[2:58:26] affect the bathrooms and it will affect
[2:58:28] the council chambers room as those are
[2:58:30] the rooms that have uh ventilation
[2:58:33] systems in them all the ventilation
[2:58:34] system does is exhaust air and pull air
[2:58:37] from the hallways it is technology from
[2:58:40] 1940 but it will uh allow the building
[2:58:44] to breathe a little bit um and so we
[2:58:47] would like to put that system back into
[2:58:50] place any questions or comments I'll
[2:58:53] move in I'll second all in
[2:58:55] favor thank you item number two is award
[2:58:58] bidden contract for the SKC City Hall
[2:59:00] Clock Tower restoration to Midstate
[2:59:03] Industries L
[2:59:05] limited so this is uh exactly it says
[2:59:08] restoration of the existing Clock Tower
[2:59:10] um as we know the anniversary the Clock
[2:59:12] Tower from the down recently we they
[2:59:15] covered that and um The Clock Tower does
[2:59:18] refurbishment uh a lot of the wood that
[2:59:20] makes up some of the decorative pieces
[2:59:22] is rotten um there is peeling paint what
[2:59:25] we wanted to do is repaint but we don't
[2:59:27] want to repaint onto bad wood um we also
[2:59:29] are going to Reg gold the the Dome
[2:59:32] replace the clock faces in the works and
[2:59:34] make sure right now they're a little
[2:59:36] loose so the times are different around
[2:59:38] so it would be a total refurbishment of
[2:59:40] the clock power um Midstate Industries
[2:59:43] is the group that is also doing the
[2:59:45] refurbishment of the northbury pump
[2:59:47] station
[2:59:48] they're familiar with the city we worked
[2:59:50] with them on several projects so we're
[2:59:51] comfortable with them and their price
[2:59:54] was significantly less than the second
[2:59:57] bit which is also and the money is
[2:59:59] already in the budget for the capital
[3:00:01] budget for this yes this is coming from
[3:00:03] a capital facility code not any kind of
[3:00:05] an arban code this was something that we
[3:00:07] bonded this year
[3:00:09] okay yes Mr Toro oh hi thank you um the
[3:00:13] difference between the
[3:00:14] $1,608 and 800 and down to what they sh
[3:00:19] what is the difference the 58 why why is
[3:00:22] it so different yeah I did not call the
[3:00:24] second bidder oh okay
[3:00:27] I I didn't see that I saw PT just they
[3:00:31] would have made a lot more
[3:00:33] money we we call that leaving money on
[3:00:35] the table I don't know why I see number
[3:00:37] one and number two there you go got
[3:00:41] it I did talk with them just to let you
[3:00:44] know I thought the question would come
[3:00:45] up um this is a spring project not a
[3:00:47] winter project just the scaffolding
[3:00:49] alone we talked with u Midstate just a
[3:00:52] scaffolding alone will take a month to
[3:00:54] set up wow so once the scaffolding gets
[3:00:56] set up takes a month to set up then we
[3:00:59] have work we're going to be into just
[3:01:02] inclement weather and we thought that
[3:01:04] instead of trying to leave it up or do
[3:01:07] just start in the spring get it done
[3:01:09] because it's going to be very elaborate
[3:01:10] to give me
[3:01:11] this any other questions or comments
[3:01:14] I'll move it I'll second all those in
[3:01:16] favor I I thank you item number three
[3:01:20] was going to be the ceremonial renaming
[3:01:22] of the city street um was put on Mr mud
[3:01:24] Mr mud was unable to be here tonight so
[3:01:27] we will I'll ask him and we'll probably
[3:01:29] move that out for two weeks um you know
[3:01:32] the information is in your packet and
[3:01:33] I'm sure that all of you have received
[3:01:35] emails regarding this particular
[3:01:37] discussion so we'll bring that back in
[3:01:39] two
[3:01:41] weeks remaining items are all for um
[3:01:45] executive session their property sales
[3:01:48] so I would entertain a motion to go to
[3:01:51] the executive session so I'll second all
[3:01:54] those in favor I IA session members of
[3:01:57] the public would have to leave
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