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Is someone coming from the police department, or are you covering all Peter's? Okay, all right. I'll call the meeting to order. And we'll stand in our diligence to the floor. I

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apply the allegiance to the flag. Yeah, I'd say it's of America and to the republic for which it stands. One nation under God and individual liberty and justice for all. Now, I'm going to.

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I'm pursuing

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to chapters 616 and 617 of the town of Manchester order is the

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Select Board will conduct a vicious dog hearing regarding a dog named

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Dubie, owned by Jamie Dufour, 32 Springway, a man should be excited to

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remind. It's a quasi-do digital hearing during which the Select Board will

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hear testimony and receive evidence before issuing a written decision. I serve

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was chair in the past, we listened all the information, gone to another room, figured

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out what we're going to do,

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and I'm trying to get it written up to a point where we can

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issue the the decision if we have time to do that.

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So, 616 and 617, I'm going to read the

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origin, let's look at what we're all up to, you know, exactly what we're doing. 616 is

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vicious dogs, it shall be unlawful for any dog to attack or otherwise bite a human or other

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domestic animal that results in an injury. And such dogs shall be considered a vicious dog.

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A violation of this subsection shall be considered a second degree civil violation,

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and that refers to what the fine would be if it needs to be used.

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Two, it shall be unlawful for any dog to maliciously attack or otherwise bite a human

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or other domestic animal multiple times.

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That results in serious injury and death, and such dogs shall be considered an aggravated vicious dog.

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of the violation of this subsection,

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and I'll be considered the first degree civil violation.

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Now, section 617 is the hearing,

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and that's what we're doing now.

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Number one, upon receiving a complaint

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that a dog is vicious, the police department,

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or animal control officer,

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shall promptly investigate the complaint

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and report any founded complaint to the select board.

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Number two, the legislative body within seven days

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after receipt of a founded complaint

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from the police chief or a direct complaint from an alleged victim or owner of an animal allegedly attacked by the dog

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Shall investigate the charges and hold a hearing on this matter

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If the owner of the dog which is the subject of the complaint can be ascertained with due diligence

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The owner shall be be provided with a written notice of the time date and place of the hearing blah blah blah

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You're here. So obviously you were a prize

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This three, if the dog is found to have bitten the victim without provocation, the select

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board shall make such order for the protection of persons as the facts and circumstances

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of the case may require, including without limitation that the dog be disposed of in any

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humane way, muzzle chain or confined.

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The order shall be sent by certified mail, recurrent seat requested, a person after receiving

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notice fails to comply with the terms of this order shall be subject to the penalties provided

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in 20 PSA subsection 3550.

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Peter, it's my understanding that this isn't the first

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offense for this. That's great.

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There's been three occasions. Okay. So on the second

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occasion, we generated a letter warning of the consequences of a potential third

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by it, and that's kind of what led us here to the hearing.

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Okay, and I do have a handout if you're ready for some testimony, but it's kind of an outline

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of just the dates and the dog by reports that were submitted by the annual.

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So August 18th of 23 was the first one. Timothy Wellner was the victim.

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I contacted both the dog owner, Jimmy DeFour, and at this point, I found a dog had not yet

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been registered or licensed for 2023 in the town of Manchester.

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After contacting the owner and I realized that August 25, 2023 at 2.51 pm, Anita Scheldon

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had let me know that the dog had been registered for that year.

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October 4, 2020 received another dog by 10-4.

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The victim there was Jason Reynolds, is the second victim.

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A contact of the owner instructed them to confine the dog for 14 days.

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And a voicemail left on owner's cell phone and reminded the owner that dog must be controlled

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at all times according to our ordinance, was not able to get a response from the owner at

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the time.

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So I then sent a certified letter, return receipt request, which I have in documents.

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And then August 17th is the last incident received another dog by involving Michael Foley.

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Call the spoke to Jamie Wednesday, 821, instructed to confine the dog for 10 days.

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I asked Jamie to supply a narrative to explain what happened on the date of the incident, which I have with, if you're interested in reading that.

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Okay. Okay. And we have here a copy of the August 20th letter that's sent to Janie,

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gifts and get

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that somewhere. Thanks.

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And that was from Scott.

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There's the notification

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of this hearing and then we have a report. And this is your report, Peter? It's a report generated

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by the clinics, so they would thereby law if they received someone who's got an injury

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as a result of a dog bite. They're required by law to generate that copy ghost of health

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officer. Got it.

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I have a question.

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This one was very recent. On this particular report,

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It says it's unknown if the doobie had received a rabies shot in the past, but I assume since you registered doobie, there had to be a rabies vaccination that went along with that.

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So that's a very diligent about that and she would not register the dog if it had not received a very strong.

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That's been my.

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If you have a office of all that may be certificates against the people like to have those okay, so you do have that. Yes, okay, and the dog is correct. Yes, it's

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very cultural. All right. I'm going to.

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Okay, if I read your submission out loud.

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This is a letter to.

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Donna Manson, her health and safety officer, and signed by Jingle Boopor, her woman may concern

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on Saturday the 17th of August that approximately 11.30 a.m. by Beyonce, Carol Levine stopped,

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levied or leaving. Carol Levine stepped outside to investigate the truck. She saw parked outside.

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She met Mike, who was walking from the back of our property behind our barn,

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back towards his truck. Our border collied Dubie-knit bit, Mike and his left leg,

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perceiving Mike's express as a stranger on the property. Mike had planned to reconnect with me

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earlier in the week and again first thing on the same day but did not show up until later in the

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morning unexpectedly. Normally we keep Dubie inside with strangers but we were busy with the project

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in our barn and he was with us mostly underfoot until this incident happened. Our front door

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was open and music was playing but Pike failed to approach the front door and walked round to

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the back to look for me banging. At the back door and yelling my name which would be must have

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perceived as a threat after following around the back of the front of our barn as Carol stepped

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outside to see who was there. Mike's painful screams and response came to my attention and I too came

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outside to see what was up as Carol came to call me. I went out to see what was going on and

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quickly offered help wanting to inspect and clean the wound might want it to look at the wound

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again.

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I assume that's wound. No. It's he's looking at something specific. The wood he's looking

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for. Okay. The wood. He's looking at the wood. Okay. As it came. No. No. I said wood and I was

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try it. I should just read it as you wrote it. If I read it as you wrote it, it makes sense.

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He wanted to look at the wood again. He came to pay for our back and we walked back and for

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to look and then he gave me a second payment and cash after that he finally settled down and we

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helped him and cleaned the dress of wood. He left and was obviously still upset but that was it.

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Based on the camera footage we have, it was an enjoyable incident if he had arrived at the time he

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attended and also not walked round the back of my property yelling my name and

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banging on the rear door and parks literally adjacent to the main entrance to

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part of our barn. Both doors were opened. Picture, yes.

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As picture, the wall was locked in from the rear right corner of the barn and as

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truck is in the foreground, the primary entrance is where the screen door is open

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and the front delivery entrance is to their right to the right door.

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I reached out to Bob that AOLS explained about the incident and the previous two from last

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year in Dubia's now on a medication to help them endow a bit of that sort of valium behavior

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modification.

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We are researching testing often as well, this will be exactly, this will be challenging

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as all of our property entrances open up to the driveway.

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That's a good report.

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I really appreciate that. Do you do you have any other testimony that often relative to the incident? Do you want us to add any testimony of this point?

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We're going to talk it over. I may ask some questions.

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I think that I can just stay as a component of what I really do to the best of my ability

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to write it down as straightforward and as what happens obviously I'll sum it up from

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the care and some of that I actually am happy with it.

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I cannot see the extra from the care now.

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How severe was the glass or even?

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When you hit them on the left leg, it's a little bit of gas.

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would say about two inches. Yeah, so it did break skin. It wasn't really breathing, it was just an upper layer of skin, a little bit of weight, but not propulsive.

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And I cleaned the wound and redressed it so that it gets the hospital, get to end. His wife apparently is a nurse diagnosed and he's going there.

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So it sounds like you've tried to keep, do be away from people and change.

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I just do that, actually, at the time.

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A born of our colleagues are high strong and easily trying to keep it to go high.

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Easily excitable and understand that and the last thing we want to do is do something

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with your dog.

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I know how much dogs mean to people.

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This one seems to me like we can address the issues and I think there's something that

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we can put in place that we can say, okay, this is going to protect you, protect your

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dog, and protect people who happen to walk into a situation where the dog perceives it

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as a threat.

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Is the fence something that you think you can do?

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So, reach out to a couple of different organizations in terms of fence. I guess the result of

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time so I can't exactly close up the driveway and be quite awkward just to close up apart from the

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house or apart from the barn without doing everything. So there's my business which I went out of my

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property as well. It would make that awkward and I'm not quite sure how the concept would also look

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that the TPS wireless call-in system, that doesn't mean that if someone comes to good

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It's going to show them. If they're outside of that area, he shouldn't go past that, but I don't have never used it. I don't want to track the how they work in real time. Do you have any post in your property? Does it say that there's like a dose of a funny sign?

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Do you mind going through the other two incidences like giving it a little more?

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detail on the other two.

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I don't have to go back a year.

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I wanted to tell you something to happen to all of this.

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One of the number of requests was delivered right after Marching last.

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Probably may have noticed some may have.

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It was my fault that I had.

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I just don't know what.

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I think.

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You know, both of them are stepped on them and they just last down.

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It wasn't anything serious of this last one.

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This last one.

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to have what I've experienced ten times worse than the two previous ones. Those are basically

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superficial minor ones. There's a few just got stunned by a being kind of a thing. However,

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they didn't even get booked out and should say what could RK miles ahead fluid.

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The other one was the one that P has a voice at RK miles above the correct. He was trying to

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something in my bed, and he'll be within the bed, and no one goes under there. And I didn't think

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about it at the time, it's just like he's unloading the bed, and he nipped the guy out and tried to put

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something in the bed. He's very protective of what he considers his face. So he's never been on

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public problems, he's even been in the bed. So we've dealt with a few of these, and

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like I said, it's never any fun and we typically put some conditions in place that ensures

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that there'll be some restraint. Typically, if the dog is going to be in public, on public

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property, it would wear a muzzle.

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We've looked into getting a muscle for it as well.

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That seems like the shortest, the quicker solution or media solution that we can do, which is totally

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much simple.

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I have to say, I really appreciate your honesty and willingness to, no, I know you wouldn't,

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But this is as other vicious dog hearings that we've had.

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This one is by far the most comfortable where we can have a conversation

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without a lot of emotion.

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That's reassuring.

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And I really, I really appreciate that.

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The Warrings of Shadows obviously should happen

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because after the warning from last year, I called about that

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and said I might have to go and do it in the end

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because this is the third thing that I'm just going

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but what you told me is not that I want to do that, but I was like, shit, I'm not going to have to tell you.

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I've never had to. It's just my second board of college. My first board of college is always being

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to show them, and we always immediately call them a quality, crucial extra, and we have people

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who come over and visit, they can take them out. How old is duty? Do you have five years of

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by degree. So I don't know, you remember Michelle Alistair's last name is right. Oh, yeah.

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Yeah, very well. Yeah. She's down in Tennessee. Yeah. We got her duty through her because she's a friend.

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Oh, okay. She takes in Foster's and she tried to keep doing me on her part, but she's too very

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dominated during the Sheppard. It wasn't possible for she not keeping. And she put up a Facebook

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and I respond and so please let me have them, I'll take them, and I'll show them to you.

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And she named them, his name actually is Fred, but he's the name of she pick them.

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So you know from the show, you can kind of get the truth.

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I know Michelle very well.

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Peter has this way.

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I did reach out to the previous victims, but I'm not sure if you're one of the victims

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or you're supporting them.

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Okay, I just want to make sure that this is not too for some of the speak, but I make sure that you're aware of it.

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I guess I have a couple other general questions, just because I have a dog that is unpredictable, so I'm very familiar.

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Like I hear a FedEx truck from five miles away, so I get it inside.

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So I'm very familiar with this whole thing.

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How much, like I'm looking at that you're a little neighbouring, like how are you concerned with the dog around friends, or are you concerned with the dog?

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Absolutely not.

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I think that's why my first year.

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You don't have to say something as well.

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I just keep looking.

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Yeah.

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That's that's true.

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Do you mind if I ask?

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Um, actually, actually, um, we have, we do have people that are attending through Zoom.

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And I see Victoria has got her hand up, which I'm sure she's saying.

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Please ask people to go to the microphone.

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Yeah.

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Microphone right over here.

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You just stand closer to the...

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You don't have to speak into it, but they're pretty sensitive, so they'll pick you up.

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And then just, yeah.

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Out and proud, girls.

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And

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can I have your name, boys?

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I'm Chloe Love.

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That was little my worst fear was dogs.

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But ever since I moved to our house, we got our dog.

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Then Jamie and Carol got Dubie.

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And ever since then, our dog and Dubie have been best friends.

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When our dog and Doobie go to their house to play, Jamie and Carol invite us to come over.

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They make sure Doobie is nice, calm, and friendly.

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So since then, Doobie has helped me overcome my fear of dogs since then dogs have been my

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favorite animal.

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Thank you.

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All right, good.

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Thank you.

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I don't know if you picked up on that, but Doobie spoke maybe fresh and maybe we should all

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Well, it's all we need is Barney and Betty.

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An effective speech for my love.

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Could you just step up here?

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My

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name is Brian Love, Carly.

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You're Chloe over there that gave the nice remarks.

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We wouldn't be here if we were very concerned about like our daughter,

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there's other kids in that neighborhood as well and we have a lot of trust and you

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know compassion for this situation we understand that it's a difficult thing

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and dogs can be unpredictable but we wouldn't be here if we didn't feel like

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that duty really is you know worth saving worth taking care of and whatever

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where next steps need to happen,

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but I just want to put that on the record.

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Thank you.

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So either what I'm picking up on here

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is that Fred Dooby is good with people

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with whom he's familiar and family members

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and other animals, which is quite often a part of this.

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This is submitted for the record, by the way.

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All the incidents as I understand it as people that have showed up and associated with your business which you run out of your home that they've come here to somehow conduct business.

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After some incident, it wasn't business related, it's actually something I was showing you.

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To place.

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Okay.

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And I found out after the fact that my ex-girlfriend was like pouring down the chest for a place

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or so that made me extra private in the house of the others for going, you didn't say he wasn't going to report it,

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but I knew that it would get reported after that.

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Yeah.

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I can honestly say that there are certain g-blocks on concert plants.

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I'll say that honestly.

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I could not say that every time it's actually a statement to me, I don't know why I've got that.

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So given that issue, and you do have people coming.

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Our dog is men in a truck, and that's like, if I see that, I just put them inside.

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But you do have people coming and going.

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I have to live with drivers, people when I'm on favorite sometimes,

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do these on a side for them before, just do be tolerate being on a tether.

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There's not going to be one of the research that we've all come up with.

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I have a line where we don't want to come back and forth,

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actually.

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Because I think Victoria is probably going to put her hand up again,

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I'm sorry, because your voice probably isn't carrying to the microphone, but I've been actually,

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I wasn't thinking about that. I was going to make a comment, but oh, this is a quasi-judicial hearing.

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It's not open to public comment. Yeah, this is that we're taking testimony from witnesses.

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Right, I wasn't there, but I'm familiar with Dubie because I'm on the property with Jamie

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and Carol quite frequently.

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You know,

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I'm just now remembering that we had to swear in witnesses in the past similar

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to D.R.B.

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I forgot that piece of it.

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I have a, if you're testifying as a witness, I can swear you in but I think you'll do

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No,

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that's fine. I think you said what you wanted to say anyways. And I think it's germane to the to the issue.

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So I'm going to write down some notes as to how we run these things because it's been on.

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I have it here. Okay. It's a little handy thing, but it doesn't mention wearing in. Yeah.

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Yeah, I think I think that's more in case like a D.R.B. hearing we could go the environmental core after that

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So that's why you would need this for an end because I mean this case

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It seems to be the something we can reach an agreement on

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So I have another question for you if when you're

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Can you I just I have this picture of your

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Yard can I was trying to think of ways that you could

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That there are any way that you could do a partial run out of one of these exits or something like that where you could have.

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Yeah.

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It

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makes the image not outside when I'm not there.

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It's on the outside, on the side.

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We have to put them on the shot color.

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And I believe you use it all the time

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because not one is when we were talking,

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we didn't expect anything.

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But do you think when we're out and out outside

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we'll have the color on just so we can come back quickly?

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And it's a color that's remote like that, you.

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It's a stamp, you don't use it for those.

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But

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it's a shock.

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Generally speaking, we've got to go somewhere to the park and we're going to be on the

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direction to put the car in and show that we're safe to incase it's not at all.

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You don't have to have to be going out with the show, you don't know, I don't want my dog

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to cause problems.

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It's not at all.

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So we've got to go somewhere to just show that we've been at something just in case.

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And I only use it like I take them to my child's side, but if people don't have good to

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I mean,

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I guess I'm just thinking about the situation of the times we've been out, so I think we could recover the issue now.

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Well, and I'm thinking that I would, if I'm you, I would be more inclined to have my dog in a leash if you're in places where you're not really sure of the environment.

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I mean, I just feel like, I don't think there's a lot of wiggle room in this situation and if there's a fourth incident, it's going to, you know, it's going to be tricky.

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So I just, you know, want to see this, however, however you, well, no, I just, I'm trying to think of ways, you know, to avoid something else happening.

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And so I guess, you know, fencing, I think, has always been something that we've been comfortable suggesting.

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and then, you know, if you're in, if you're in public, I might, instead of using a

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muzzle.

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Let's say the property is finished and there's some common amounts of property, how

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much of it depends on the dress pack.

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If, if we issue you, oh,

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searching for the word, if we send you a letter and tell you what

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our conditions are, and you comply with those conditions, and someone's circumvent

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whatever we tell you need to do. Peter do you know the answer to that? I would assume that if he's

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complied with the direction of the slide board that you would be okay. I'm not sure what the

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insurance company might have to say. I would probably go with that now.

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What I've

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But what I think we're going to do is we're going to go into the other room and put together

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our findings.

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And consistent with what we've done in the past, we're going to have to put in place

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some verifiable way that the dog is restrained during a time when people would be coming

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on to the property, whether that's a fence or a tether, which the dog tolerates or which

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All right.

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Okay.

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I mean, I don't know what other testimony we can get out of you that will help us formulate what the approach might be. So I'm going to try to give you some choices.

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as to what we're going to recommend.

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It takes a while to construct a fence.

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Putting it into a tether can be a lot quicker.

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It takes a lot more money to put on a fence also.

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But again, I don't see how work on your property.

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And I had this suggestion because we, for our dogs,

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we've used that, I think it's by Garmin, right?

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It may be, anyway, the remote that we have gives you an opportunity to set a automatic

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censored warning.

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So if they sense a rousal or the dog might be preparing to bark, I don't know if you

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be barked.

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No, no, so we use it.

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So we sent our, we have golden jewels and these dogs, one of them, we couldn't get in our

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house for four hours, right?

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So we sent them to a place up in Middlebury that trained them to this Garmin device, which is I mean, we just like you say we just put it on as a so they can remember.

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Hey, someone's watching me or I might be under control, but there's a setting on it that you can set that says if I bark, if the dog barks, it's automatically going to just give them a little.

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little little ping. And that may be a thing you may want to look at just so

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that even if you have it but you know because it seems like this incident in

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particular even if you had that collar on right if you didn't have the

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controller in your hand you wouldn't be able to catch it anyway right so you

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may want to look at just for your own. Yes exactly.

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It would be nice if you could be on the watch for something, if you don't have a person or whatever they're heading in.

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Yeah, it's made it a little odd because you should, but we haven't had it incidentally for a long time.

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Yeah, not having any familiarity with speaking for myself.

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With any of the electronic control devices, I suspect we're going to want to have some kind of physical restraint.

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because I just don't trust them. I think they're really good training.

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But what I was my suggestion was even as a general rule for you, I would say, if you had that on and you just, if you do have the capability to just set it as a, just so that you, if you're in the moment in something we're about to happen and they were at my bark or that happened, you don't even have to think about it.

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They might already be just reminded of work, even if they were on a leisure, even if they were just sitting on the front porch.

378
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Yeah, I think it is.

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Probably not something that we're going to mandate.

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It may end that you have, but it sounds like it might work.

381
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Do we need any more testimony to come up with some findings on this and some solutions to you?

382
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No, I guess I'm asking my other board members, no, the other two were not on property, the ones from last year they were both you were somewhere when they happened no one was an arcade mile delivery guy and then the other one

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We're going to retire. We can go to your office or in here.

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It's been a cordial conversation, but this is pretty serious, you know, we've had three

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events.

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And because of the severity of it, the fact that it got to this level where we're having

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a hearing on it, we have to take action.

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And with dog ownership, any pet ownership comes a responsibility, and I know you're a responsible person.

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And we've come up with some conditions through our findings.

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And Scott, would you be willing to read the conditions?

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So, one of the conditions is they want a new sign, something to reflect a dangerous dog location.

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Outside the house, the dog needs to be physically restrained, that's either through fencing or on a tether.

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Off the property, the dog needs to be muzzled and on a leash and has to be registered and have shots current at all times.

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And Scott's going to put a letter, formulate a letter, or Peter's going to add on all of which.

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and it will be an receipt of it, it will have those conditions on it, but also it's going to speak to the potential next step.

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We don't want to go through this again. I know you don't, but the repercussions will be more severe if it happens again.

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technical side question to this. Michelle's daughter has. I know Michelle's stuff. Yeah.

398
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And they have expressed that it need be that they would relocate to be there. It's not allowed.

399
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To where? They would like to take to. Oh, I mean we can't tell you to not do that. I didn't know

400
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what that was allowed. Sure it is. Yeah. The conditions followed to be wherever it goes.

401
00:36:19,310 --> 00:36:24,710
I only in the town of Manchester and I spoke a little bit earlier, maybe not out.

402
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I'm not like when I get rid of my dog or something.

403
00:36:26,890 --> 00:36:36,390
We had a repeat offender that many, many times and the owner of the dog relocated to

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Rotland and of course all of our conditions go away when that happens.

405
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Of course, unfortunately the dog wound up back at Manchester, but when this happened,

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I

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And she had made that suggestion as a possibility that if the dog is relocated outside of the town of Manchester, we no longer have jurisdiction.

408
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But if you decide to do that, let us know.

409
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So you want to go through all the paperwork.

410
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Well, we're going to go through the paperwork anyway.

411
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Just come back.

412
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I want you to have a good life.

413
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I don't want to do.

414
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Shuffle because of the ship.

415
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Obviously you get something wrong.

416
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And I'm going to give it up.

417
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I can't keep it fully constrained.

418
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Someone has expressed interest.

419
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That's.

420
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That's.

421
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But I think everything's reasonable.

422
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I can't get that.

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So

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I'll get a written copyable.

425
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Yes.

426
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Yes, Scott or Peter are going to have to draft that and you'll get a certified copy.

427
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Thank you.

428
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Thank you.

429
00:38:06,200 --> 00:38:08,460
Is there any other business?

430
00:38:09,400 --> 00:38:10,100
Well, we're done.

431
00:38:10,300 --> 00:38:11,840
You can leave if you want or you can stay.

432
00:38:13,480 --> 00:38:14,900
Yeah, I understand.

433
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We have parents here at the table too, so they want to get out.

434
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Yeah, we're done.

435
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Thank you.

436
00:38:24,160 --> 00:38:24,840
Thank you.

437
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Any other business?

438
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Motion to adjourn.

439
00:38:33,100 --> 00:38:34,700
Is there a need for an executive session?

440
00:38:35,520 --> 00:38:36,420
I thought we just had a book.

441
00:38:36,700 --> 00:38:36,960
We did.

442
00:38:38,060 --> 00:38:39,460
It's actually a little bit different.

443
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Yes.

444
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Second.

445
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I'll favor say aye.

446
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We are adjourned, Victoria. Thank you for attending, Peter.