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order we have one item on the agenda

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today that is the discussion to amend

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the city code chapter 182 uh in addition

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to my colleagues here tonight I just

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wanted to thank um mayor m

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commissioner Divine and assistant chief

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ovich and Mr bar for being pres as well

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so starting with the why I think we've

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all campaigned in in our perspective

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areas on the issue of noise just how do

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we address it uh as a as an entire city

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so in recognizing that just the this has

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been a chronic issue for as long as I've

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been on the council to understand there

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was ways where we can adjust C code and

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also work collaboratively with the other

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agencies this uh just have a better

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impact and improve the quality of life

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conditions for our residents uh so

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before I turn it over to uh police and

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the law department for their insight and

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understanding of enforcement and the

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legality of hearing to the U this city

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code my recommendation would be just so

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everyone has a transparent understanding

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of my thoughts uh it's one adjusting the

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time frame in which sound repr is deemed

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unreasonable So currently it is listed

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at 11:00 p.m. to 6: a.m. my

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recommendation is adjusting it to 9.m 9:

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a.m.

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11m so I'm reading

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from section J and it is bullet number

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two

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okay and then again just for a

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accountability it says between the hours

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of 11:00 P.M to 6:

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the there occurrences of unreasonable

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time unreasonable and unnecessary sound

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production is like prohibited so my

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recommendation is adjusting that to 9:00

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p.m. to 9:00

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a.m. secondly it is adjusting the

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penalties so penalties for offenses

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currently the initial request is the

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fine should not be anything higher than

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$250 my recommendation is is adjusting

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first offenses to

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$500 second violations to

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$1,000 and then third violations

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allowing the city court judge to

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exercise their discretion um not to

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exceed

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$2,000 and then we can get more into

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like the understanding of like my

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reasoning for that and then finally

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there is a

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section in the city code that uh in the

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same section J bullet one that last

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paragraph it highlights to unreasonable

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or unnecessary noise at any time except

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for activities open to the public or to

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the public benefit for which permission

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has been granted by the city enity I

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think that opens the door for us to have

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a permanent style approach so we are not

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just saying no to people having

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unnecessary or excessive noise we are

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saying within a certain confined

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parameters and then that is something

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that we can create collectively as a

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council so after giving my

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recommendations I would like to turn the

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over to uh law enforcement department

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and then following by the legal

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department just to how noise complaints

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are addressed currently and then if you

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have any recommendations right now well

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Mr chairman if I be allowed

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to you the code

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uh I have your thought process and some

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of the things that you're putting

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for we look for compliance servic not

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like you want to go out and find people

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you want to arrest people you want

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people to be able to have a good time

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enjoy their

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property both the quiet perspective and

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if you have music or something that's

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going

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on we follow up on every call that comes

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in to dispatch people will say no nobody

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responded unfortunately it's not

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necessarily as quick as people would

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like

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it's a priority system that is used for

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the calls coming in so they're evaluated

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in terms of imediate danger to life or

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property those who assigned Priority One

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status and they take PR over anything

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else priority two and noise complaints

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are listed as priority three so it's

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unfortunate

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that uh the priority three calls are not

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followed

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up and in this timely manner as people

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would like whether have we sitting here

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in this tand staff or the neighbors but

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at the Staffing

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levels uh that's the reality of our

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ability to do the respond St and I'm not

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positioned to ask that we increase the

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police staff or other staff

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to deal with noise complaints at this

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point

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where get how do you get common sense

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and people to act in an appropriate

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manner that is sensitive to the concerns

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and desires of their neighbors or the

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neighborhood

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and so we

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do show up ask people to turn stuff down

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I've been out calls

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where you will have music blasting these

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last turn it down they turn it down 15

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minutes later Call's coming back in the

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same that people have turn the noise up

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uh the sound up

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and how do

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you might have a key to this Mr Williams

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if you can legislate Common Sense you'll

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be a hero here uh but it's to get that

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level of uh

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compliance with it so with that I

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appreciate the discussion the dialogue

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and I know what you like to address you

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add their perspective to it

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AC uh

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so when uh reading over the uh city

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ordinance on the noise violation section

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and we talked about the 11:00 p.m. to

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6:00 a.m. window um we also go by goet

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point B where

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um in such a manner as to create noise

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that can be heard 50 feet from such

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device and I know in this section

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kind of refers to Motor Vehicles on a

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public Highway and boat in public Waters

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but also by a person on public or

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private property so we utilize section B

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to enforce this noise ordinance 24 hours

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a day not only just in that uh window of

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time that's described in in section a

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regardless uh as the mayor stated a lot

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of the times we get these calls and due

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to our staffing level and and call

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volume it may take us a lot longer to

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arrive to deal with the situation to a

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point where maybe the the source of the

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noise is no longer there um we do have

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ability If Video evidence or some other

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type of

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uh evidence that the noise was occurring

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and that it was unreasonable to file for

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a warrant um and deal with it that way

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but generally the the noise has to be at

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a an unreasonable level while the police

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officers are there to observe it to

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follow through with um you know the any

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type of disciplinary action that would

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come from this um how however in certain

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circumstances we can file um charges for

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evidence that we have that supports

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those charges um that we didn't

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personally Witness at the time of of the

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event um there have been situations

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where as the mayor stated where police

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officer arrives gives a courtesy warning

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for them to turn the music down and

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oftentimes that suffices and people do

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uh comply with those

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orders there are a lot of times where

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they comply in our presence and then

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shortly after we leave they they turn

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the music back up um we have gone

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through and created I wouldn't say a

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database but there are uh addresses that

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have been Chic offenders of this

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ordinance that it has

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been a message given to to all platoon

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that if you're responding to these

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addresses for an issue along these lines

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that they are not to be given you know

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zero tolerance for those addresses

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because they are chronic offenders of

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this particular uh section um and that

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currently any kind of um warnings or um

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discretion that's been given to them in

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the past has not been taken with respect

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so um we're trying to to cut off issues

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where one officer arrives gives a

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courtesy uh warning to turn the music

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down then then the issue happens again

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and you have a different officer who

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arrives and they didn't realize that the

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first officer had just given that

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warning and so now they're giving a

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warning how many times can a different

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officer arrive to the same place and

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give a warning and what's the best way

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of making sure that everybody is aware

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uh that warning has been given um we do

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have systems in place that should be

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followed where you make notes in the

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call and it kind of goes under the

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premise history what we call it in our RMS system so we encourage officers

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to check premise history before

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responding to these calls so they can

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see if warning has been given and when

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was the last one um or if if the premise

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is one of the ones that we spoke about

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that's a chronic offender and that we

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don't uh they have zero tolerance um

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directive for for that

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address beyond that if an officer

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responds to these calls and sees that

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the noise ordinance is being

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violated at that point like you said

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they there are uh different penalties

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for each offense you know up to a third

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offense where I think that was where it

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maxes out um there is the ability of the

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officer to remove the source of the

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noise as well and I'm not sure that it's

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exactly clear on if we could do that

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right off the bat on the very first one

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or if we have to wait until the third um

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but there are situations where know you

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have uh somebody was speaking to me

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earlier today about a Dodge Ram pickup

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truck that had

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$60,000 worth

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of subwoofers and speakers that took up

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the entire back of the truck bed with a

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hydraulic lift that makes it stand

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straight up um you know in that

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situation I were able to take the whole

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vehicle and hold it until trial you know

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create a hardship for that person but

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it's also I don't know how you even play

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speakers that large

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in a reasonable manner I don't know if

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it's possible um it's challenging um

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because people have so many different

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Avenues to reproduce this noise if you

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take one set of speakers away and a new

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set just pops up where the old one uh

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was um I know that we have confiscated

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systems in the past and you know there

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is an Avenue for them to retrieve their

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property after you know the case has

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been adjudicated or um the processes

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that they have to go through to to

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re take possession of their

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property um the other thing is when we

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do make arrest on these it's an

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appearance ticket it's not a custodial

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arrest so generally Cooperative people

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we will fill out and and this is a

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appearance ticket that we've been

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working on with um Mr Toro and John pal

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was was a part of the effort where it's

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a streamlined um appearance ticket

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process that kind of everything's on one

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form much like a it allows the officers

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to handle the call more efficiently than

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have to go back and be out of service

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for an extended period time filling out

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you know uh different informations and

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reports and triplicate whereas uh this

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one form can be submitted the only thing

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is that that person never leaves their

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home you know if they do if they're an

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uncooperative person they need to be

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exported to the police car to be given

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their U appearance ticket at the

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issuance of the appearance ticket

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they're released back to their home or

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to wherever they were taken

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from and basically they're free to go

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back right to doing what it was that got

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them in trouble in the first place

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should they choose to do that um so

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there's only so much that we can

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do uh at that point um so it it becomes

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frustrating when you have repeat

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offenders um I did

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some kind of quick uh I got some quick

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data from analysts and year to date

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there's only about 20 arrests for uh

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noise ordinance violations with you know

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some repeat offenders on here um and

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then there's a vast majority of the

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calls that come in that the dispositions

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for those are you know dark and quiet

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gone on arrival

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unfounded and so I think a lot of this

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has to do with the periods of time where

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these calls are most likely to come in

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are also periods of time that are very

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busy for the police department and on

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days where the Staffing levels are not

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the best you know Friday nights Saturday

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nights that type of thing um and a lot

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of situations like today a large portion

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of our staffing is tied up on Odell

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Street uh with you know the barric

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subject that they have but still not

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really resolved at this point so you

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know much to what the mayor was stating

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should a noise ordinance violation come

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in to the call center you know during a

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day like today the ability for us to

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respond there in a time of manner is

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prohibited by all of our resources being

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utilized for things that have been

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determined to be a higher

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priority um

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so this much I'm sure

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every council member gets complaints

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about this and you know between this and

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traffic this is probably what I've get

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the most complaints about to my office

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so if you know if there's any way that

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we can figure out as a group to better

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deal with this issue or you know gain

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compliance more effectively and I'd be

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happy to do it but at this point this is

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kind of what we do and and how it goes

349
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and and the challenges that we're facing

350
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and then if you wouldn't also mind just

351
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speaking about the um joing as First

352
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Responders that is definitely a

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component of those discussions that

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really catch my eye and kind of speaking

355
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to the whole points about the cost of

356
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having a law enforcement officer

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responds to the incident and also just

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speed at which they can respond so if we

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have any information about that so it is

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uh definitely something that we plan to

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utilize once the program is up and

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running we actually started this week

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with uh reassigning a couple of our

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officers temporarily to kind of get the

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ball rolling on this and the U the

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actual responder drones are expected to

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arrive early in the beginning of

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25 uh or late 24 however we do have

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drones currently that don't have the

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capabilities of these drones but we're

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going to be starting to apply some first

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responder type missions within the next

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few weeks and what

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we will have the ability to do once this

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program up and running provided that

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meets all the legal

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requirements um which I'm sure we'll

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discuss with the law Department before

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taking this action but as I stated if uh

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evidentiary you know something of

381
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evidentiary value that can kind of

382
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um meet what we need to file charges

383
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even if we can't be there in person we

384
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might be able to get that evidence with

385
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the drones and have an officer review

386
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the footage or maybe the Drone pilot

387
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review the footage then initiate a

388
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warrant packet for the problem property

389
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um I'm not sure what additional

390
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challenges that might face at this point

391
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as far as being able to determine who's

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responsible for the music you know would

393
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you be able to do that with the Drone if

394
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it's

395
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outside there's a possibility we can get

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the footage of where the music is coming

397
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from and you know maybe um for repeat

398
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offenders or chronic offenders we would

399
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know that this address

400
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I see the person who's been responsible

401
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for it before this is the same system

402
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that's playing music this is the same

403
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person who's out there uh playing the

404
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music you know sometimes it'll be very

405
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cut and dry who's responsible yeah you

406
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know there may come a time where it

407
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might be difficult just from the footage

408
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alone and a little bit further uh

409
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investigation may need to happen to um

410
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determine exactly who's at fault and who

411
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can be f for this and then you get to a

412
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level of how much effort do we want want

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to put into a

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violation when we have you know the

415
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priority uh situations that would

416
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require more manpower I do believe

417
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though that the Drone as a first

418
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responder is a tool that we're going to

419
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be able to utilize to assist with this

420
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issue and I I think it will be effective

421
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I just don't want

422
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to I want to be cautiously optimistic

423
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about it I I don't want to say that it's

424
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going to be the Magic Bullet

425
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that stops all of this um because there will still be challenges and it

426
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will be you know something that can cure

427
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it all but I I think it is going to be a

428
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very effective tool once it's up and run

429
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thank you any questions or comments

430
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before turning over to Mr R Mr T so in

431
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terms of the um arrests um that have

432
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been made um I was wondering about the

433
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um the financial penalties um um and to

434
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what extent those get paid um you know

435
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or whether you know folks just don't pay

436
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them and then what happens you know that

437
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type of thing

438
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um I would not have much information on

439
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the follow through with the people

440
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paying the fines that they've been given

441
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I can definitely get that I don't know

442
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if maybe the law department has better

443
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information on that um um but as as far

444
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as you know my understanding of the way

445
00:21:03,240 --> 00:21:05,320
things work is if somebody's given a

446
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penalty by a judge and they don't follow

447
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through with that then eventually there

448
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will be bench warrants or um things that

449
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would come into place that would make

450
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them responsible for those things

451
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because I I think just ignoring it and

452
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not doing it once something is

453
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adjudicated it's not yeah that they're

454
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going to have to follow through one way

455
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or the

456
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other so uh we

457
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typically we try to request a report

458
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that the fine need paid at the time of

459
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sentencing so that we don't have to

460
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chase people for money um unfortunately

461
00:21:48,039 --> 00:21:51,240
we don't have control uh the judge many

462
00:21:51,240 --> 00:21:56,760
times give uh people time to pay so uh

463
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i' have to

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records to see how much we've collected

465
00:22:02,039 --> 00:22:06,799
in fines um based on what was uh we were

466
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sentenced to but a lot of people in a

467
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lot of cases we do get the money the

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same

469
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day sometimes people are given to and

470
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that's not as easy for us to

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track thank you and I will say uh based

472
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on and I'm sure everybody here's aware

473
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but based on the ordinance uh

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in those situations where we discuss you

475
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know

476
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giving even whether it's an arrest or a

477
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warning and then the music goes on 15

478
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minutes later we show back up um if it's

479
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a half an hour after we've given that

480
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advisement or made that arrest it counts

481
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as a new uh incident

482
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so twice in the same night as long as

483
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it's a half an hour apart counts as the

484
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second violation so the fees for that

485
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would go in line the second and third as

486
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it as it

487
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continues any other questions coms you

488
00:23:06,720 --> 00:23:08,520
mentioned arrest so when the officer

489
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shows up the resident is there

490
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physically arrest people are you for to

491
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pay ticket right so it's it's a it's not

492
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a custodial arrest so it would be an

493
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appearance ticket you know there have

494
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been situations where somebody gets

495
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escorted to the police car and fell the

496
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paperwork but uh as far as you know

497
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putting them in handcuffs and bringing

498
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them down to the station

499
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that doesn't Happ for

500
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this is there a process where the

501
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individual that files the complaint is

502
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notified with the action the action

503
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taken uh so the complaintant being made

504
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aware so there are um one of the

505
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questions that the dispatchers usually

506
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ask is would you like the police to

507
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contact you there there are times where

508
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we will arrive unfortunately the music

509
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or the the source of the loud noise is

510
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no longer there but you know the person

511
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who called it in does want to speak with

512
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an officer so they'll get out of the car

513
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they'll go in and and speak with the

514
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complainant and then that person can you

515
00:24:09,279 --> 00:24:11,640
know in their own words explain directly

516
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to the officer what the the issue is um

517
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and there are times where it's late at

518
00:24:17,520 --> 00:24:19,279
night they're already having a hard time

519
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sleeping so they don't want to be

520
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bothered to get out of the bed any more

521
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than they've already been bothered by

522
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the noise so they prefer that the issue

523
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just be dealt with and they don't want

524
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to have anything more to do with it um

525
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for those situations

526
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there I don't we don't make a a call or

527
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you know a notification that the the

528
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problem's been solved Mr uh thank you

529
00:24:44,200 --> 00:24:45,440
very much it sounds like you have a

530
00:24:45,440 --> 00:24:47,200
handle on everything the department and

531
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handling it with complete efficiency at

532
00:24:49,399 --> 00:24:52,919
this point um trying to right um you

533
00:24:52,919 --> 00:24:54,760
know when we make the phone call which I

534
00:24:54,760 --> 00:24:58,919
make multiple times a year you know um

535
00:24:58,919 --> 00:25:02,159
for for in my neighborhood again you

536
00:25:02,159 --> 00:25:03,600
wait sometimes you know the police

537
00:25:03,600 --> 00:25:05,200
happen to show up right away and sitting

538
00:25:05,200 --> 00:25:06,640
on the front porch waiting or just a

539
00:25:06,640 --> 00:25:09,240
little talk or something but um so at

540
00:25:09,240 --> 00:25:11,640
least happy to to know that things are

541
00:25:11,640 --> 00:25:13,919
being addressed as efficiently as they

542
00:25:13,919 --> 00:25:16,440
are sometimes there's a time constraint

543
00:25:16,440 --> 00:25:20,279
but thank you very much so thank

544
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you so in terms of the number of calls

545
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like say for instance there's a party so

546
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you know maybe down street calls next

547
00:25:26,960 --> 00:25:30,799
door Etc do you have um specific say we

548
00:25:30,799 --> 00:25:33,360
receive this number of calls the same

549
00:25:33,360 --> 00:25:35,600
regard the same incident in that case we

550
00:25:35,600 --> 00:25:42,159
then take away their equipment or is or shut down the

551
00:25:42,159 --> 00:25:43,679
party

552
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so as far as shutting down parties

553
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go

554
00:25:49,399 --> 00:25:52,559
um people are allowed to have parties in

555
00:25:52,559 --> 00:25:55,480
their private residences you know to an

556
00:25:55,480 --> 00:25:58,399
extent obviously parties that your ad

557
00:25:58,399 --> 00:26:00,919
iing and charging for a little bit

558
00:26:00,919 --> 00:26:03,200
different um the after hours parties

559
00:26:03,200 --> 00:26:05,520
that have been kind of plaguing our our

560
00:26:05,520 --> 00:26:09,640
city for some time now um we've had a

561
00:26:09,640 --> 00:26:12,120
lot of uh religious ceremonies that get

562
00:26:12,120 --> 00:26:13,480
called in because sometimes they're

563
00:26:13,480 --> 00:26:14,960
pretty loud especially with certain

564
00:26:14,960 --> 00:26:17,480
cultures and and wedding

565
00:26:17,480 --> 00:26:19,080
celebrations

566
00:26:19,080 --> 00:26:21,600
um in those situations we try to

567
00:26:21,600 --> 00:26:24,399
discreetly make advisements that we

568
00:26:24,399 --> 00:26:26,159
understand this is a religious ceremony

569
00:26:26,159 --> 00:26:28,440
but it is violating the noise ordinance

570
00:26:28,440 --> 00:26:30,000
we don't want to disrupt what's going on

571
00:26:30,000 --> 00:26:31,919
here but can you please turn it down and

572
00:26:31,919 --> 00:26:33,679
more than often than not they they

573
00:26:33,679 --> 00:26:38,240
comply with those um as far

574
00:26:38,240 --> 00:26:40,679
as based

575
00:26:40,679 --> 00:26:44,279
on when there are multiple calls for the

576
00:26:44,279 --> 00:26:46,120
same problem coming from different

577
00:26:46,120 --> 00:26:50,120
people it kind of indicates to us that

578
00:26:50,120 --> 00:26:52,200
it kind of increases the legitimacy we

579
00:26:52,200 --> 00:26:54,960
understand that you know this this must

580
00:26:54,960 --> 00:26:57,240
really be bothering a lot of people when

581
00:26:57,240 --> 00:26:58,640
we're getting multiple calls from

582
00:26:58,640 --> 00:27:01,159
different people about the same problem

583
00:27:01,159 --> 00:27:04,600
um but it doesn't necessarily affect the

584
00:27:04,600 --> 00:27:07,120
way that we respond to it even one call

585
00:27:07,120 --> 00:27:08,840
as long as we show up and it meets that

586
00:27:08,840 --> 00:27:11,640
criteria we're going to handle the call

587
00:27:11,640 --> 00:27:14,919
uh the way that it should hopefully

588
00:27:14,919 --> 00:27:16,279
it'll be handled the way that it should

589
00:27:16,279 --> 00:27:18,320
be handled by you know if you show up

590
00:27:18,320 --> 00:27:21,919
and it's it's very a severe violation of

591
00:27:21,919 --> 00:27:25,000
the ordinance then their reaction as

592
00:27:25,000 --> 00:27:26,520
officers are probably going to be more

593
00:27:26,520 --> 00:27:30,080
severe in that they're more to take away

594
00:27:30,080 --> 00:27:33,640
the source of the noise on the First

595
00:27:33,640 --> 00:27:37,279
Response if it's so

596
00:27:37,279 --> 00:27:40,360
unreasonable that they don't deserve a

597
00:27:40,360 --> 00:27:44,600
warrant now if if we show up and it's

598
00:27:44,600 --> 00:27:47,360
somebody who it's borderline

599
00:27:47,360 --> 00:27:49,440
unreasonable then we're probably not

600
00:27:49,440 --> 00:27:56,519
going to take their uh the source of the noise away on the first um go around

601
00:27:56,519 --> 00:27:59,440
so there isn't like uh if we get called

602
00:27:59,440 --> 00:28:01,120
three times than this or four people

603
00:28:01,120 --> 00:28:03,840
call than this it only takes one but

604
00:28:03,840 --> 00:28:05,640
it's for the officers to determine when

605
00:28:05,640 --> 00:28:07,600
they get there what's the level of

606
00:28:07,600 --> 00:28:09,279
reasonableness of this you know how

607
00:28:09,279 --> 00:28:12,279
unreasonable is it is how egregious is

608
00:28:12,279 --> 00:28:14,120
the call and I think a lot of times if

609
00:28:14,120 --> 00:28:16,200
it's and a lot of this I'm kind of

610
00:28:16,200 --> 00:28:18,080
speaking from my own personal experience

611
00:28:18,080 --> 00:28:19,760
where you know the time that I spent as

612
00:28:19,760 --> 00:28:22,159
a patrol officer responding to calls

613
00:28:22,159 --> 00:28:23,440
like

614
00:28:23,440 --> 00:28:26,760
this personally if I got there and you

615
00:28:26,760 --> 00:28:29,480
know um I I recall one instance it was

616
00:28:29,480 --> 00:28:32,919
on Crane and

617
00:28:32,919 --> 00:28:35,840
Orchard uh I remember I was Midnight's I

618
00:28:35,840 --> 00:28:37,480
hadn't even received a call for it yet

619
00:28:37,480 --> 00:28:38,559
but I was driving around the windows

620
00:28:38,559 --> 00:28:41,039
were down and I could hear very very

621
00:28:41,039 --> 00:28:42,640
loud music coming from a large apartment

622
00:28:42,640 --> 00:28:45,039
building that was right across from um

623
00:28:45,039 --> 00:28:48,880
original pizza and I saw an old elderly

624
00:28:48,880 --> 00:28:51,240
woman on like the third floor kind of

625
00:28:51,240 --> 00:28:52,799
looking out her window with her hands

626
00:28:52,799 --> 00:28:54,000
like this and I could tell that the

627
00:28:54,000 --> 00:28:56,559
music was coming from above so I was

628
00:28:56,559 --> 00:28:59,120
like I don't need a call for this that's

629
00:28:59,120 --> 00:29:01,200
enough for me so I went in there I found

630
00:29:01,200 --> 00:29:02,440
the source of the

631
00:29:02,440 --> 00:29:05,240
music gave them an advisement to turn it

632
00:29:05,240 --> 00:29:07,519
down I got halfway down the stairs I

633
00:29:07,519 --> 00:29:09,159
could hear the music already again so I

634
00:29:09,159 --> 00:29:10,960
turned right around before I even left

635
00:29:10,960 --> 00:29:13,679
the house and I took the power cord to

636
00:29:13,679 --> 00:29:17,279
their stereo and issued a an appearance

637
00:29:17,279 --> 00:29:21,120
ticket to the to the Violator so that

638
00:29:21,120 --> 00:29:22,840
was the way I chose to deal with

639
00:29:22,840 --> 00:29:24,600
removing the source of the music and it

640
00:29:24,600 --> 00:29:27,880
seemed to work for that that night um

641
00:29:27,880 --> 00:29:29,000
but but

642
00:29:29,000 --> 00:29:32,480
again I feel like the removal of the

643
00:29:32,480 --> 00:29:35,519
source of the music is based on the

644
00:29:35,519 --> 00:29:37,960
ordinance it's discretionary and

645
00:29:37,960 --> 00:29:40,360
sometimes it's difficult when you have

646
00:29:40,360 --> 00:29:42,080
speakers that are as big as that window

647
00:29:42,080 --> 00:29:44,039
or you know things that are not

648
00:29:44,039 --> 00:29:45,919
necessarily you don't have the ability

649
00:29:45,919 --> 00:29:47,720
to take them and put them in the police

650
00:29:47,720 --> 00:29:51,440
car um so I don't know if I answered

651
00:29:51,440 --> 00:29:53,760
your question

652
00:29:53,760 --> 00:29:55,799
uh there's anything more that you want

653
00:29:55,799 --> 00:30:00,559
me to elaborate that I didn't no that I just kind of trying to figure out

654
00:30:00,559 --> 00:30:02,960
what is what the what you what are the

655
00:30:02,960 --> 00:30:04,679
guidelines like I've called I've had

656
00:30:04,679 --> 00:30:06,360
five calls from four different people

657
00:30:06,360 --> 00:30:08,559
and what are we going to do about I mean

658
00:30:08,559 --> 00:30:09,960
that's that's definitely taken into

659
00:30:09,960 --> 00:30:12,600
consideration as well as how severely

660
00:30:12,600 --> 00:30:16,000
they're violating the the and how do you

661
00:30:16,000 --> 00:30:17,399
measure the sound like you heard that

662
00:30:17,399 --> 00:30:18,679
you just talked about how you heard it

663
00:30:18,679 --> 00:30:21,200
from the window isn't there you have

664
00:30:21,200 --> 00:30:23,000
some actual instrument that measures

665
00:30:23,000 --> 00:30:24,960
sound that that people can't argue with

666
00:30:24,960 --> 00:30:27,000
like right you know what to me may not

667
00:30:27,000 --> 00:30:29,559
be loud to you so it in the ordinance it

668
00:30:29,559 --> 00:30:33,039
talks about being 50 ft away from where

669
00:30:33,039 --> 00:30:35,760
the source of the music is so I mean

670
00:30:35,760 --> 00:30:38,640
we're trained at estimating speed and

671
00:30:38,640 --> 00:30:41,840
distance and that type of thing so it's pretty safe to say you know when

672
00:30:41,840 --> 00:30:43,279
you're 50 feet away from something and

673
00:30:43,279 --> 00:30:45,600
you can hear it but as far as a a

674
00:30:45,600 --> 00:30:49,360
decibel measuring device we don't have

675
00:30:49,360 --> 00:30:53,320
that um I know that they exist and same

676
00:30:53,320 --> 00:30:54,720
you know similar to like a window 10

677
00:30:54,720 --> 00:31:01,230
measuring device um and I want to say

678
00:31:01,240 --> 00:31:03,639
those I mean they they would be

679
00:31:03,639 --> 00:31:05,279
applicable I just don't know how

680
00:31:05,279 --> 00:31:07,639
necessary they are because it it's it's

681
00:31:07,639 --> 00:31:08,679
probably an

682
00:31:08,679 --> 00:31:11,639
expense that would just kind of confirm

683
00:31:11,639 --> 00:31:14,200
how loud it is but the fact is as long

684
00:31:14,200 --> 00:31:15,840
as you're 50 ft from it and you can hear

685
00:31:15,840 --> 00:31:18,279
it and it's bothering someone you you're

686
00:31:18,279 --> 00:31:20,039
checking all the boxes you need to check

687
00:31:20,039 --> 00:31:23,360
right there I I don't believe you know

688
00:31:23,360 --> 00:31:24,919
being able to say that it was exactly

689
00:31:24,919 --> 00:31:27,720
this decb you know whether it was you

690
00:31:27,720 --> 00:31:30,399
know one decel over what would be deemed

691
00:31:30,399 --> 00:31:35,240
as reasonable or 50 um and I don't even

692
00:31:35,240 --> 00:31:37,919
know in terms of decb if that's even a

693
00:31:37,919 --> 00:31:41,600
reasonable thing to say but um common

694
00:31:41,600 --> 00:31:44,799
sense and and what a reasonable person

695
00:31:44,799 --> 00:31:48,880
would would deem to be um too loud I

696
00:31:48,880 --> 00:31:51,559
think it's it's will

697
00:31:51,559 --> 00:31:56,639
be are there um like civil Avenues if a

698
00:31:56,639 --> 00:31:58,320
neighbor

699
00:31:58,320 --> 00:32:01,159
so you their neighbor has been ticketed

700
00:32:01,159 --> 00:32:04,559
three four times and they've got F can

701
00:32:04,559 --> 00:32:07,200
that complaint and take the neighbor to

702
00:32:07,200 --> 00:32:09,880
Cil court on their own is that an option

703
00:32:09,880 --> 00:32:11,720
I don't know you know kind of putting it

704
00:32:11,720 --> 00:32:13,360
in their hands that they can do

705
00:32:13,360 --> 00:32:15,120
something

706
00:32:15,120 --> 00:32:16,960
themselves

707
00:32:16,960 --> 00:32:20,789
I'll address

708
00:32:20,799 --> 00:32:25,559
that some sometime ago Council me the

709
00:32:25,559 --> 00:32:29,760
pressor pass section 183

710
00:32:29,760 --> 00:32:30,960
talking about

711
00:32:30,960 --> 00:32:33,559
182 the

712
00:32:33,559 --> 00:32:37,880
new which U we had just started for the

713
00:32:37,880 --> 00:32:41,080
first time ever to

714
00:32:41,080 --> 00:32:44,200
force and uh we had our first hearing we

715
00:32:44,200 --> 00:32:45,799
closed

716
00:32:45,799 --> 00:32:48,080
down that

717
00:32:48,080 --> 00:32:51,360
was all sorts of violation forget

718
00:32:51,360 --> 00:32:53,440
through the hearing of mayor's

719
00:32:53,440 --> 00:32:57,880
appointment as the heing officer and 12

720
00:32:57,880 --> 00:33:00,240
points in 12 months is considered a

721
00:33:00,240 --> 00:33:03,720
nuisance this property had about 600

722
00:33:03,720 --> 00:33:09,519
points and but three points uh are since

723
00:33:09,519 --> 00:33:13,440
we're focusing on noise uh violation of

724
00:33:13,440 --> 00:33:14,480
section

725
00:33:14,480 --> 00:33:18,240
182 is three points under Section

726
00:33:18,240 --> 00:33:22,440
183 so that when you get in 12 points in

727
00:33:22,440 --> 00:33:25,760
12 months you had four violations in a

728
00:33:25,760 --> 00:33:29,960
year then you would have uh there is a

729
00:33:29,960 --> 00:33:33,000
civil procedure to take care of this

730
00:33:33,000 --> 00:33:35,480
which we we're now starting to

731
00:33:35,480 --> 00:33:37,570
enforce

732
00:33:37,570 --> 00:33:42,840
[Music]

733
00:33:42,840 --> 00:33:45,240
which but uh so we're starting to

734
00:33:45,240 --> 00:33:47,600
enforce that it hadn't been enforced by

735
00:33:47,600 --> 00:33:49,720
prior Corporation Council until vaccine

736
00:33:49,720 --> 00:33:54,679
came in and U so kind of wearing two

737
00:33:54,679 --> 00:33:56,080
hats

738
00:33:56,080 --> 00:33:59,799
here we are now starting to uh enforce

739
00:33:59,799 --> 00:34:04,000
that if you were looking for amendments

740
00:34:04,000 --> 00:34:08,560
to certain parts of the city code maybe

741
00:34:08,560 --> 00:34:11,079
you want to increase the point value

742
00:34:11,079 --> 00:34:14,560
from 3 to four or something like that in

743
00:34:14,560 --> 00:34:17,839
section 183 and then there be three you

744
00:34:17,839 --> 00:34:19,839
know increase it there'll be three calls

745
00:34:19,839 --> 00:34:24,119
in a year and then we can take the that

746
00:34:24,119 --> 00:34:29,760
se so calls one yeah well

747
00:34:29,760 --> 00:34:32,720
that's we sort of ties in with what the

748
00:34:32,720 --> 00:34:35,200
chief was saying

749
00:34:35,200 --> 00:34:37,679
that you know if you go away for a half

750
00:34:37,679 --> 00:34:39,240
hour and you have to come back have to

751
00:34:39,240 --> 00:34:40,839
back that's another incident you already

752
00:34:40,839 --> 00:34:44,800
have six points yeah in one night and

753
00:34:44,800 --> 00:34:49,359
that might uh have a chilling effect on

754
00:34:49,359 --> 00:34:51,159
the people who turn it up when they

755
00:34:51,159 --> 00:34:54,599
leave and if I can add one more one more

756
00:34:54,599 --> 00:34:58,480
thing though I think is good for the

757
00:34:58,480 --> 00:35:02,240
drones you know going back

758
00:35:02,240 --> 00:35:05,760
to court there might be some due process

759
00:35:05,760 --> 00:35:08,280
arguments about the drones and and

760
00:35:08,280 --> 00:35:13,079
individual liability but certainly from the air you can tell whether the

761
00:35:13,079 --> 00:35:16,920
property problem and that's what the new

762
00:35:16,920 --> 00:35:18,599
it's about the property the property

763
00:35:18,599 --> 00:35:21,680
continues to be a problem and so the

764
00:35:21,680 --> 00:35:24,760
drones I think would also be a good tool

765
00:35:24,760 --> 00:35:28,359
in terms of enforcing resour

766
00:35:28,359 --> 00:35:31,680
um so if I can add I think the mayor was

767
00:35:31,680 --> 00:35:34,240
like is there a magic ball or an answer

768
00:35:34,240 --> 00:35:36,160
and I think trying to hedge our bets if

769
00:35:36,160 --> 00:35:37,920
we look at this as a three-prong

770
00:35:37,920 --> 00:35:41,160
approach I think you have the city code

771
00:35:41,160 --> 00:35:43,160
and I speaking on the news I think I

772
00:35:43,160 --> 00:35:44,839
misspoke and said it hasn't been

773
00:35:44,839 --> 00:35:47,079
adjusted or amended in three decades is

774
00:35:47,079 --> 00:35:49,560
not the case it's almost two decades but

775
00:35:49,560 --> 00:35:51,440
still that's a long amount of time and

776
00:35:51,440 --> 00:35:55,119
if we look at what has changed since 20

777
00:35:55,119 --> 00:35:59,040
2006 a lot has think we evaluate how to

778
00:35:59,040 --> 00:36:00,560
adjust our enforcement to incorporate

779
00:36:00,560 --> 00:36:02,720
other Technologies and making sure the

780
00:36:02,720 --> 00:36:05,079
legalities of how they're uh

781
00:36:05,079 --> 00:36:07,119
adjudicating these types of cases I

782
00:36:07,119 --> 00:36:09,160
think that improves the conditions for a

783
00:36:09,160 --> 00:36:10,880
lot of our residents who in some

784
00:36:10,880 --> 00:36:14,760
instances feel like they are uh helpless

785
00:36:14,760 --> 00:36:16,280
where it is a beautiful day out my

786
00:36:16,280 --> 00:36:18,000
windows are open and now I have to

787
00:36:18,000 --> 00:36:21,160
inconvenience myself further to have a

788
00:36:21,160 --> 00:36:23,280
slightly better day and and the

789
00:36:23,280 --> 00:36:26,480
frustration is what do I do and I'm glad

790
00:36:26,480 --> 00:36:29,359
Mr Terell highlighted that it is not at

791
00:36:29,359 --> 00:36:30,880
the lack of consideration from the

792
00:36:30,880 --> 00:36:32,720
police department it truly is not and on

793
00:36:32,720 --> 00:36:36,800
my uh um right alongs I've seen the

794
00:36:36,800 --> 00:36:38,400
calls come in and although you want to

795
00:36:38,400 --> 00:36:39,760
respond to all them you physically

796
00:36:39,760 --> 00:36:42,680
cannot uh so unfortunately I think it

797
00:36:42,680 --> 00:36:43,920
has to be an understanding from the

798
00:36:43,920 --> 00:36:45,880
community of you can only be in bu many

799
00:36:45,880 --> 00:36:47,800
places at once but I think if the

800
00:36:47,800 --> 00:36:49,880
perception from our residents is if I

801
00:36:49,880 --> 00:36:51,599
call nothing happens because it keeps

802
00:36:51,599 --> 00:36:53,800
happening day in and day out and if also

803
00:36:53,800 --> 00:36:55,680
the perception is from these violators I

804
00:36:55,680 --> 00:36:57,240
use that lightly because if some people

805
00:36:57,240 --> 00:36:58,880
aren aware of the code and they just

806
00:36:58,880 --> 00:37:00,440
think it's a free-for all I can put

807
00:37:00,440 --> 00:37:03,240
$60,000 worth of equipment in my car I

808
00:37:03,240 --> 00:37:07,280
think starting somewhere is important

809
00:37:07,280 --> 00:37:09,880
um but I wanted to give Mr an

810
00:37:09,880 --> 00:37:12,480
opportunity yes going back to the point

811
00:37:12,480 --> 00:37:15,319
system I can recall that we did actually

812
00:37:15,319 --> 00:37:18,680
amend that to kind of Target the

813
00:37:18,680 --> 00:37:20,599
convenience stores in terms of the point

814
00:37:20,599 --> 00:37:22,680
systems so you're mentioning point

815
00:37:22,680 --> 00:37:25,440
system I think if I can recall a couple

816
00:37:25,440 --> 00:37:28,000
years we had um Institute that that just

817
00:37:28,000 --> 00:37:31,000
because of the the very problem we

818
00:37:31,000 --> 00:37:32,880
having with these convenience stores and

819
00:37:32,880 --> 00:37:34,839
how do we address it over a period of

820
00:37:34,839 --> 00:37:38,880
time suggestion to us and basally

821
00:37:38,880 --> 00:37:42,119
recommendation to ex the F system so I

822
00:37:42,119 --> 00:37:43,560
not the F

823
00:37:43,560 --> 00:37:46,200
system that was passed couple years ago

824
00:37:46,200 --> 00:37:48,880
can carry over way into residential we

825
00:37:48,880 --> 00:37:54,079
may want to amend that to include um yes

826
00:37:54,079 --> 00:37:56,400
the right cross section of U the

827
00:37:56,400 --> 00:37:59,079
violation who needed convenience stores

828
00:37:59,079 --> 00:38:03,640
or any Del or sort of things like that we did at that point system

829
00:38:03,640 --> 00:38:06,640
actually that is true it was never we

830
00:38:06,640 --> 00:38:09,960
never get a chance to kind of enforce it

831
00:38:09,960 --> 00:38:12,480
there were so many excuses oh didn't get

832
00:38:12,480 --> 00:38:15,480
approved okay it was approved but never

833
00:38:15,480 --> 00:38:17,280
got enforced right from the Law

834
00:38:17,280 --> 00:38:19,599
Department commissioner is correct about

835
00:38:19,599 --> 00:38:23,920
that

836
00:38:23,930 --> 00:38:28,440
[Music]

837
00:38:28,440 --> 00:38:32,150
the the

838
00:38:32,160 --> 00:38:37,870
uh a private residence could

839
00:38:37,880 --> 00:38:40,440
be when we would have we would have to

840
00:38:40,440 --> 00:38:42,200
pull that resolution it was primarily

841
00:38:42,200 --> 00:38:46,640
targeted towards the convenient delis to

842
00:38:46,640 --> 00:38:47,920
kind of bring them in compliance so

843
00:38:47,920 --> 00:38:51,119
whenever they come back apply for the

844
00:38:51,119 --> 00:38:54,560
renewal the mayor Police Department

845
00:38:54,560 --> 00:38:55,960
everybody will sit there and says okay

846
00:38:55,960 --> 00:38:58,000
you had X violation

847
00:38:58,000 --> 00:38:59,920
and if they if they was actually

848
00:38:59,920 --> 00:39:04,480
enforcing it and if they met that

849
00:39:04,480 --> 00:39:07,839
12.65 automatically be closed within

850
00:39:07,839 --> 00:39:11,200
that given year but unfortunately we

851
00:39:11,200 --> 00:39:12,640
never have the

852
00:39:12,640 --> 00:39:14,880
enforcement

853
00:39:14,880 --> 00:39:16,560
glad

854
00:39:16,560 --> 00:39:18,800
be we're doing

855
00:39:18,800 --> 00:39:20,640
it and

856
00:39:20,640 --> 00:39:24,400
if if it is limited to convenience

857
00:39:24,400 --> 00:39:28,359
sources and sure you could change it to

858
00:39:28,359 --> 00:39:31,760
noise coming from anywhere right so when

859
00:39:31,760 --> 00:39:34,280
we that we did talk about the the point

860
00:39:34,280 --> 00:39:36,119
syst but the commission is correct there

861
00:39:36,119 --> 00:39:38,720
is in the nuisance part of the code

862
00:39:38,720 --> 00:39:41,000
nuisance you can VI people with

863
00:39:41,000 --> 00:39:43,920
individual residents can get violation

864
00:39:43,920 --> 00:39:47,400
based on the nuisance um we um code but

865
00:39:47,400 --> 00:39:49,160
we were targeting the convenience stores

866
00:39:49,160 --> 00:39:51,079
and we trying to focus on that because

867
00:39:51,079 --> 00:39:53,240
then we did have so many problems but

868
00:39:53,240 --> 00:39:55,960
that part the um C is already there for

869
00:39:55,960 --> 00:39:58,359
individual so maybe need to tighten up

870
00:39:58,359 --> 00:40:01,480
to you know improve it um you know amend

871
00:40:01,480 --> 00:40:04,079
whatever way necessary

872
00:40:04,079 --> 00:40:08,400
yes I I do like that idea in in the next

873
00:40:08,400 --> 00:40:11,480
183 of bringing it from four to you know

874
00:40:11,480 --> 00:40:14,319
different point levels for residents um

875
00:40:14,319 --> 00:40:16,079
and somewhere in here and and of course

876
00:40:16,079 --> 00:40:18,040
I forgot my glasses today so the

877
00:40:18,040 --> 00:40:23,630
landlords are

878
00:40:23,640 --> 00:40:26,119
responsible the it's somewhere in here

879
00:40:26,119 --> 00:40:28,599
it's the landlords yeah so it it gives

880
00:40:28,599 --> 00:40:30,160
the exception of

881
00:40:30,160 --> 00:40:33,000
a somebody who's leasing the property

882
00:40:33,000 --> 00:40:35,720
from the landlord so they the landlord

883
00:40:35,720 --> 00:40:38,480
can't be held responsible

884
00:40:38,480 --> 00:40:42,359
for really no they can be I think so I

885
00:40:42,359 --> 00:40:48,079
thought identified that P it's p

886
00:40:48,079 --> 00:40:52,040
P2 section three and it is category

887
00:40:52,040 --> 00:40:54,640
section no

888
00:40:54,640 --> 00:40:56,760
1824 and it's within that initial

889
00:40:56,760 --> 00:40:58,640
paragraph says for the purposes of this

890
00:40:58,640 --> 00:41:00,680
chapter it shall be presumed that the

891
00:41:00,680 --> 00:41:02,760
owner tenant person or persons in

892
00:41:02,760 --> 00:41:05,040
possession or control and the occupant

893
00:41:05,040 --> 00:41:08,000
of the particular premises or jointly or

894
00:41:08,000 --> 00:41:14,280
severely sever a weird word so I think it it

895
00:41:14,280 --> 00:41:15,920
identifies that whether you're directly

896
00:41:15,920 --> 00:41:18,240
or indirectly you're responsible for

897
00:41:18,240 --> 00:41:20,359
that reproduction of noise to some

898
00:41:20,359 --> 00:41:22,560
extent and then my question was going to

899
00:41:22,560 --> 00:41:23,359
be

900
00:41:23,359 --> 00:41:27,720
follow was you mentioned earlier AC no

901
00:41:27,720 --> 00:41:30,440
about people having video evidence that

902
00:41:30,440 --> 00:41:31,680
they taking themselves and one

903
00:41:31,680 --> 00:41:33,040
cautioning is people kind of going out

904
00:41:33,040 --> 00:41:35,599
getting 4K cameras and getting their

905
00:41:35,599 --> 00:41:39,000
ghilly suits like going to extreme but

906
00:41:39,000 --> 00:41:40,240
also I want to make sure we're

907
00:41:40,240 --> 00:41:43,440
documenting what is necessary to proceed

908
00:41:43,440 --> 00:41:45,720
forward is that sufficient enough to

909
00:41:45,720 --> 00:41:49,280
meet that threshold and you know there

910
00:41:49,280 --> 00:41:54,280
can be issues where how do we prove that

911
00:41:54,280 --> 00:41:56,560
this video is taken on this date at this

912
00:41:56,560 --> 00:41:58,720
time at this location

913
00:41:58,720 --> 00:42:02,480
um which I'm sure there are ways but

914
00:42:02,480 --> 00:42:06,870
that maybe the Law Department might

915
00:42:06,880 --> 00:42:10,280
want most most of these don't go to

916
00:42:10,280 --> 00:42:12,599
trial most people

917
00:42:12,599 --> 00:42:15,280
ple or a

918
00:42:15,280 --> 00:42:19,119
hearing date following that so it's we

919
00:42:19,119 --> 00:42:23,800
prepare Discovery um if we need to which

920
00:42:23,800 --> 00:42:24,599
would

921
00:42:24,599 --> 00:42:28,240
be pictures or videos If we have

922
00:42:28,240 --> 00:42:30,480
um but most of the time like I said we

923
00:42:30,480 --> 00:42:32,040
don't wind up getting to the point of

924
00:42:32,040 --> 00:42:34,839
having to go trial to prove it people

925
00:42:34,839 --> 00:42:39,440
generally take a lower fine to settle it

926
00:42:39,440 --> 00:42:41,760
rather than risk going to a

927
00:42:41,760 --> 00:42:45,599
trial and risking getting the mag and I

928
00:42:45,599 --> 00:42:47,400
think that's where I want to kind of

929
00:42:47,400 --> 00:42:50,079
focus on uh because I'd like for us to

930
00:42:50,079 --> 00:42:53,400
have these fines strictly adhere to to

931
00:42:53,400 --> 00:42:55,520
change the culture and narrative that

932
00:42:55,520 --> 00:43:00,280
this is something that we are focusing in on it especially if uh by

933
00:43:00,280 --> 00:43:02,960
the time we do address it it comes at

934
00:43:02,960 --> 00:43:06,520
extreme cost in time and

935
00:43:06,520 --> 00:43:08,760
responses so my question is around the

936
00:43:08,760 --> 00:43:12,480
fine and as asash is saying that when

937
00:43:12,480 --> 00:43:15,079
they go to court the judge has sort of

938
00:43:15,079 --> 00:43:17,440
some leg in what they can do they can we

939
00:43:17,440 --> 00:43:20,319
do so fine so is there a way that we

940
00:43:20,319 --> 00:43:22,920
that that hard and fast or do they

941
00:43:22,920 --> 00:43:26,079
always have the ability to um negotiate

942
00:43:26,079 --> 00:43:29,200
what a person can pay because um what

943
00:43:29,200 --> 00:43:30,720
happen sometimes people like I can

944
00:43:30,720 --> 00:43:33,200
afford that and I'm willing to pay that

945
00:43:33,200 --> 00:43:35,200
as opposed to I'll give you an example

946
00:43:35,200 --> 00:43:36,280
that happened there was somebody putting

947
00:43:36,280 --> 00:43:39,599
out their trash ear and so I roll down

948
00:43:39,599 --> 00:43:40,760
like you know it's too early to put out

949
00:43:40,760 --> 00:43:43,920
your trash like oh it's only $50 off

950
00:43:43,920 --> 00:43:46,000
like I can afford that in no big deal

951
00:43:46,000 --> 00:43:48,599
and so I was like really I was going up

952
00:43:48,599 --> 00:43:49,760
to

953
00:43:49,760 --> 00:43:55,640
200 so um and I did hear that and so um

954
00:43:55,640 --> 00:43:58,200
you know I think in matters how impacts

955
00:43:58,200 --> 00:44:01,920
and financially off so once once it gets

956
00:44:01,920 --> 00:44:04,280
in front of a judge we absolutely have

957
00:44:04,280 --> 00:44:06,079
no control over it the judge then can

958
00:44:06,079 --> 00:44:09,040
say you know this can go from 12 from a

959
00:44:09,040 --> 00:44:11,000
th000 they can bring it down to

960
00:44:11,000 --> 00:44:14,319
$100 I mean the judge certainly has full

961
00:44:14,319 --> 00:44:16,359
control to do that but we generally go

962
00:44:16,359 --> 00:44:19,000
in and make an offer the judges

963
00:44:19,000 --> 00:44:23,760
typically follow what we agree to with

964
00:44:23,760 --> 00:44:28,000
the defendant so we'll uh conference

965
00:44:28,000 --> 00:44:30,359
with the defendant or we'll make the

966
00:44:30,359 --> 00:44:33,640
offer in open court um but so the

967
00:44:33,640 --> 00:44:37,880
maximum fine for the first defense is

968
00:44:37,880 --> 00:44:42,640
$250 um so in order

969
00:44:42,640 --> 00:44:44,480
to

970
00:44:44,480 --> 00:44:47,119
uh increase the likelihood that someone

971
00:44:47,119 --> 00:44:50,880
is going to settle typically we offer

972
00:44:50,880 --> 00:44:54,920
$150 time sometimes a high as 200 if

973
00:44:54,920 --> 00:44:57,640
there's something egregious about it if

974
00:44:57,640 --> 00:44:59,040
we were

975
00:44:59,040 --> 00:45:02,760
to uh go hard and fast with the maximum

976
00:45:02,760 --> 00:45:04,440
buy then there's not necessarily a

977
00:45:04,440 --> 00:45:06,319
reason for people to settle and so then

978
00:45:06,319 --> 00:45:09,079
we have the added resources of the city

979
00:45:09,079 --> 00:45:11,720
having to prosecute cases through

980
00:45:11,720 --> 00:45:15,559
trial um not knowing whether the extra

981
00:45:15,559 --> 00:45:17,480
$50 or $100 is really going to make a

982
00:45:17,480 --> 00:45:19,040
difference in how it hits someone's

983
00:45:19,040 --> 00:45:24,800
wallet so if if you want the fine for example the first violation to be

984
00:45:24,800 --> 00:45:27,520
hard and fast at $250

985
00:45:27,520 --> 00:45:29,280
then my recommendation would be to raise

986
00:45:29,280 --> 00:45:32,720
the fines generally so that we could

987
00:45:32,720 --> 00:45:37,400
offer $250 as a way to settle it rather

988
00:45:37,400 --> 00:45:39,640
than again there's a lot of resources

989
00:45:39,640 --> 00:45:41,880
that go into trying a

990
00:45:41,880 --> 00:45:45,200
case um and becomes is it worth it to

991
00:45:45,200 --> 00:45:49,200
the city uh to do that of course in some

992
00:45:49,200 --> 00:45:51,480
cases we have to but to do that on every

993
00:45:51,480 --> 00:45:54,839
single one because we want the maximum f

994
00:45:54,839 --> 00:45:57,400
um the only way to alleviate that raise

995
00:45:57,400 --> 00:46:02,520
the fine you want to collect $250 or we

996
00:46:02,520 --> 00:46:05,440
can offer $200 that's just $50 less but

997
00:46:05,440 --> 00:46:08,119
again the further away you go from the

998
00:46:08,119 --> 00:46:11,000
maximum fine the less likely someone's

999
00:46:11,000 --> 00:46:14,000
going to be to leave and to just agree

1000
00:46:14,000 --> 00:46:15,839
to pay the fine rather than goes through

1001
00:46:15,839 --> 00:46:17,240
the trial process where they may be

1002
00:46:17,240 --> 00:46:18,559
found not

1003
00:46:18,559 --> 00:46:21,839
guilty Patrick well that's why I mean um

1004
00:46:21,839 --> 00:46:24,920
I I when you suggested the 500 the th000

1005
00:46:24,920 --> 00:46:27,480
and the and the 2,000 I I I just felt

1006
00:46:27,480 --> 00:46:30,280
like in in looking at this I felt like

1007
00:46:30,280 --> 00:46:32,760
okay these were probably set so that

1008
00:46:32,760 --> 00:46:34,400
there'd be more affordability for people

1009
00:46:34,400 --> 00:46:39,359
to be able to pay the fine um so I here

1010
00:46:39,359 --> 00:46:42,040
you know obviously you know that's that

1011
00:46:42,040 --> 00:46:43,920
might be a stronger deterrent but I just

1012
00:46:43,920 --> 00:46:47,079
wonder if it would at those levels mean

1013
00:46:47,079 --> 00:46:49,000
that more and more people wouldn't pay

1014
00:46:49,000 --> 00:46:51,800
the fine um and then we have to go

1015
00:46:51,800 --> 00:46:54,880
through all the rest of the processes um

1016
00:46:54,880 --> 00:46:57,599
I I I you know but I I hear why you're

1017
00:46:57,599 --> 00:47:01,040
saying uh increase some I get that but

1018
00:47:01,040 --> 00:47:02,880
um I just was worried that it would

1019
00:47:02,880 --> 00:47:04,960
increase the workload on the other end

1020
00:47:04,960 --> 00:47:07,680
of trying to pursue someone that may not

1021
00:47:07,680 --> 00:47:11,079
be able to afford 500 or ,000 or $2,000

1022
00:47:11,079 --> 00:47:13,280
but my response is why are we being

1023
00:47:13,280 --> 00:47:16,599
convenient to violators and my hope is

1024
00:47:16,599 --> 00:47:19,319
as you enforce this you do not live in a

1025
00:47:19,319 --> 00:47:21,359
big city or it is big in some respects

1026
00:47:21,359 --> 00:47:23,680
but it truly is not and I am under the

1027
00:47:23,680 --> 00:47:26,200
perception of once it is starting to

1028
00:47:26,200 --> 00:47:28,720
circulate through neighborhoods that the

1029
00:47:28,720 --> 00:47:31,559
city of skty is pursuing the maximum

1030
00:47:31,559 --> 00:47:34,160
penalties for these types of offenses I

1031
00:47:34,160 --> 00:47:36,839
have to believe that individuals who are

1032
00:47:36,839 --> 00:47:39,359
violating are going to take a second

1033
00:47:39,359 --> 00:47:42,119
pause um or understand the severity of

1034
00:47:42,119 --> 00:47:44,400
how we are evaluating these types of

1035
00:47:44,400 --> 00:47:46,079
complaints moving forward because my

1036
00:47:46,079 --> 00:47:48,880
caution is to what extent do we expect

1037
00:47:48,880 --> 00:47:50,160
our residents to continue to be

1038
00:47:50,160 --> 00:47:52,160
complicit and have we already lost

1039
00:47:52,160 --> 00:47:53,960
residents from our city as we continue

1040
00:47:53,960 --> 00:47:56,240
to revitalize our neighborhoods

1041
00:47:56,240 --> 00:47:58,559
Revitalize downtown if we don't have the

1042
00:47:58,559 --> 00:48:01,480
people here it's for not so I think that

1043
00:48:01,480 --> 00:48:04,240
is more of a worry for me who is turning

1044
00:48:04,240 --> 00:48:06,599
away from SCCY because of our inability

1045
00:48:06,599 --> 00:48:08,400
to correct this not because we don't

1046
00:48:08,400 --> 00:48:10,559
have the intent but just because we lack

1047
00:48:10,559 --> 00:48:12,800
the execution and implementing this so I

1048
00:48:12,800 --> 00:48:15,010
think we have to pick a

1049
00:48:15,010 --> 00:48:17,240
[Music]

1050
00:48:17,240 --> 00:48:20,400
path so for me when I look at the finds

1051
00:48:20,400 --> 00:48:22,599
I don't see it as a way so they have the

1052
00:48:22,599 --> 00:48:24,160
ability to pay to me I'm looking as a

1053
00:48:24,160 --> 00:48:29,069
deter it's like don't make the noise

1054
00:48:29,079 --> 00:48:32,240
and I wonder if when when leis offic go

1055
00:48:32,240 --> 00:48:34,160
out they even have that discussion with

1056
00:48:34,160 --> 00:48:36,520
people about that they even know Their

1057
00:48:36,520 --> 00:48:39,240
fines exist for them you know if you

1058
00:48:39,240 --> 00:48:40,720
continue to do this it's going to cost

1059
00:48:40,720 --> 00:48:42,440
you we could find the city could find

1060
00:48:42,440 --> 00:48:46,400
you finally $250 Etc are people aware

1061
00:48:46,400 --> 00:48:48,400
because sometimes awareness makes a

1062
00:48:48,400 --> 00:48:49,920
difference as well if they know

1063
00:48:49,920 --> 00:48:52,240
eventually if this continues it's going

1064
00:48:52,240 --> 00:48:55,119
to cost them money there are definitely

1065
00:48:55,119 --> 00:48:57,079
circumstances where those conversations

1066
00:48:57,079 --> 00:49:00,119
are had uh there are also circumstances

1067
00:49:00,119 --> 00:49:02,440
where the conversations don't ever occur

1068
00:49:02,440 --> 00:49:04,200
because the person's just looking at us

1069
00:49:04,200 --> 00:49:06,839
through a door that they refuse to open

1070
00:49:06,839 --> 00:49:09,359
um

1071
00:49:09,359 --> 00:49:11,119
so I

1072
00:49:11,119 --> 00:49:13,960
think um in a perfect world where we

1073
00:49:13,960 --> 00:49:16,079
would be able to take somebody and and

1074
00:49:16,079 --> 00:49:18,760
have a you know a conversation with them

1075
00:49:18,760 --> 00:49:22,319
and explain to them you know why we're

1076
00:49:22,319 --> 00:49:25,280
there the the problem with what's going

1077
00:49:25,280 --> 00:49:27,359
on how to resolve it and what the

1078
00:49:27,359 --> 00:49:29,880
penalties are and somebody being open

1079
00:49:29,880 --> 00:49:32,000
and receptive to that conversation I

1080
00:49:32,000 --> 00:49:35,240
think you know that would be great and I

1081
00:49:35,240 --> 00:49:38,280
think you probably have more success but

1082
00:49:38,280 --> 00:49:40,319
unfortunately all of our interactions

1083
00:49:40,319 --> 00:49:43,359
don't end up going that way um some

1084
00:49:43,359 --> 00:49:45,720
people are very combative and

1085
00:49:45,720 --> 00:49:47,920
confrontational or under the influence

1086
00:49:47,920 --> 00:49:50,680
of substances and not really in a

1087
00:49:50,680 --> 00:49:53,480
position to really comprehend what what

1088
00:49:53,480 --> 00:49:57,319
we're explaining to them but it it is is

1089
00:49:57,319 --> 00:50:02,520
uh something that I will bring to my the

1090
00:50:02,520 --> 00:50:06,760
patrol unit and explain that you know

1091
00:50:06,760 --> 00:50:10,559
try your best to be very transparent

1092
00:50:10,559 --> 00:50:12,119
about what

1093
00:50:12,119 --> 00:50:15,200
the um penalties are for being found

1094
00:50:15,200 --> 00:50:17,720
guilty of this especially for multiple

1095
00:50:17,720 --> 00:50:21,359
offenses or repeat offenses and um you

1096
00:50:21,359 --> 00:50:24,280
know I know that that is happening but

1097
00:50:24,280 --> 00:50:27,760
I'll try to put more emphasis on

1098
00:50:27,760 --> 00:50:31,359
um trying to do that as as much as

1099
00:50:31,359 --> 00:50:34,400
possible I mean it's conceivable that we

1100
00:50:34,400 --> 00:50:36,359
could just actually create just little

1101
00:50:36,359 --> 00:50:39,079
small documental warning Sy say like

1102
00:50:39,079 --> 00:50:42,040
here and for people when they no long

1103
00:50:42,040 --> 00:50:44,520
need can just read through it and uh

1104
00:50:44,520 --> 00:50:46,640
just so they have something that the

1105
00:50:46,640 --> 00:50:48,799
documents that we were here and this is

1106
00:50:48,799 --> 00:50:51,960
a concern and here's the um the possible

1107
00:50:51,960 --> 00:50:55,200
outcom Contin we have done that for

1108
00:50:55,200 --> 00:50:57,280
other things like informational handouts

1109
00:50:57,280 --> 00:50:59,960
for you know this is what happens if

1110
00:50:59,960 --> 00:51:01,440
you're the victim of a crime this is

1111
00:51:01,440 --> 00:51:03,720
what happens when you know a detective

1112
00:51:03,720 --> 00:51:05,760
is assigned to your case so you know

1113
00:51:05,760 --> 00:51:11,270
that might be beneficial to to give a

1114
00:51:11,280 --> 00:51:14,359
shot yeah I'm just going back to was

1115
00:51:14,359 --> 00:51:16,720
mentioned moments ago in terms of video

1116
00:51:16,720 --> 00:51:18,760
evidence it's a good thing but I don't

1117
00:51:18,760 --> 00:51:20,480
think um we should encourage it to get

1118
00:51:20,480 --> 00:51:22,480
people out there to go to video someone

1119
00:51:22,480 --> 00:51:25,880
because it might put people danger but

1120
00:51:25,880 --> 00:51:28,839
um can we do an affid statement and have

1121
00:51:28,839 --> 00:51:32,000
them sub that in terms of video evidence

1122
00:51:32,000 --> 00:51:33,400
and you just mentioned it can it can be

1123
00:51:33,400 --> 00:51:34,559
dangerous because a person is

1124
00:51:34,559 --> 00:51:36,400
intoxicated and you're going to video

1125
00:51:36,400 --> 00:51:38,960
them so that you can get evidence for

1126
00:51:38,960 --> 00:51:42,599
your case here you are on a premises and

1127
00:51:42,599 --> 00:51:45,400
you know XYZ can happen in those

1128
00:51:45,400 --> 00:51:47,599
situations that person would probably

1129
00:51:47,599 --> 00:51:51,280
have to testify or have their name on

1130
00:51:51,280 --> 00:51:54,319
the documentation so so I think that

1131
00:51:54,319 --> 00:51:56,640
something we should encourage that for

1132
00:51:56,640 --> 00:51:58,319
to give them an opportunity to say yes

1133
00:51:58,319 --> 00:52:00,000
if you are there and you are the witness

1134
00:52:00,000 --> 00:52:01,920
of it there's an opportunity for you to

1135
00:52:01,920 --> 00:52:02,960
submit an

1136
00:52:02,960 --> 00:52:07,640
affid to justify telling the police

1137
00:52:07,640 --> 00:52:11,400
department um just um looking at this

1138
00:52:11,400 --> 00:52:12,599
here and talking on the side of the

1139
00:52:12,599 --> 00:52:14,440
commissioner I think we need to look at

1140
00:52:14,440 --> 00:52:17,880
182 and 183 chapter 183 because it's

1141
00:52:17,880 --> 00:52:19,599
very important to look at 183 also

1142
00:52:19,599 --> 00:52:21,160
because that's only the abatement is

1143
00:52:21,160 --> 00:52:22,960
because there are certain things that we

1144
00:52:22,960 --> 00:52:24,559
passed here a couple of years ago in

1145
00:52:24,559 --> 00:52:27,520
terms of points that is relevant over to

1146
00:52:27,520 --> 00:52:30,520
183 that we need to address also because

1147
00:52:30,520 --> 00:52:33,599
past revising 182 it would make any

1148
00:52:33,599 --> 00:52:36,119
sense if we do not revise 183 so we need

1149
00:52:36,119 --> 00:52:39,000
to broaden our schol at this point in

1150
00:52:39,000 --> 00:52:41,480
time yeah I think actually um and we

1151
00:52:41,480 --> 00:52:43,599
kind of touched on this at our at a

1152
00:52:43,599 --> 00:52:45,720
previous meeting but even when we talk

1153
00:52:45,720 --> 00:52:48,520
about the vehicle piece which I hope we

1154
00:52:48,520 --> 00:52:51,960
will um that also will probably impact a

1155
00:52:51,960 --> 00:52:53,920
different different ordinance as well in

1156
00:52:53,920 --> 00:52:57,240
terms of traffic right I think sure um

1157
00:52:57,240 --> 00:53:00,240
so that that would be there as well and

1158
00:53:00,240 --> 00:53:02,240
there is I mean I guess I thought that

1159
00:53:02,240 --> 00:53:06,839
1827 was the how a citizen um makes a

1160
00:53:06,839 --> 00:53:10,079
formal complaint Mr mudaron but I was

1161
00:53:10,079 --> 00:53:13,559
wondering a question that I had was just

1162
00:53:13,559 --> 00:53:17,079
um to the extent to which people might

1163
00:53:17,079 --> 00:53:20,359
fear uh putting their name to something

1164
00:53:20,359 --> 00:53:21,960
the retaliation I mean I know I have

1165
00:53:21,960 --> 00:53:23,640
felt that myself even when I've called

1166
00:53:23,640 --> 00:53:25,799
to make noise complaints and you know I

1167
00:53:25,799 --> 00:53:27,799
get what your name and it's kind of like

1168
00:53:27,799 --> 00:53:29,640
oh you know obviously I give them my

1169
00:53:29,640 --> 00:53:31,880
name and my my address and such but

1170
00:53:31,880 --> 00:53:33,440
there's always that you know I always

1171
00:53:33,440 --> 00:53:36,359
say is the person going to know uh who

1172
00:53:36,359 --> 00:53:38,480
it was and I I think that's why we take

1173
00:53:38,480 --> 00:53:42,640
every effort to be the witness of the

1174
00:53:42,640 --> 00:53:46,839
violation so that the initial caller is

1175
00:53:46,839 --> 00:53:50,960
not even part of the proceedings it's

1176
00:53:50,960 --> 00:53:53,440
the officer who personally observed the

1177
00:53:53,440 --> 00:53:56,720
violation and um

1178
00:53:56,720 --> 00:53:59,839
based it off of their

1179
00:53:59,839 --> 00:54:03,000
college um going back to the finds I

1180
00:54:03,000 --> 00:54:05,079
mean at this point I'm okay with with

1181
00:54:05,079 --> 00:54:08,799
what's in there um you know again you're

1182
00:54:08,799 --> 00:54:11,920
in your yard maybe having a a birthday

1183
00:54:11,920 --> 00:54:13,200
party and you got neighbors who don't

1184
00:54:13,200 --> 00:54:15,680
want to hear here it's tolerable to you

1185
00:54:15,680 --> 00:54:18,040
so you know all of a sudden please show

1186
00:54:18,040 --> 00:54:20,559
up at my door and be like you know turn

1187
00:54:20,559 --> 00:54:25,349
it down

1188
00:54:25,359 --> 00:54:55,309
there's

1189
00:54:55,319 --> 00:56:29,029
e e

1190
00:56:29,039 --> 00:56:30,599
about

1191
00:56:30,599 --> 00:56:32,920
2 that's good to

1192
00:56:32,920 --> 00:56:35,559
know what we're identifying that what

1193
00:56:35,559 --> 00:56:36,960
we're identifying in here and I think

1194
00:56:36,960 --> 00:56:39,680
it's different if we have a community

1195
00:56:39,680 --> 00:56:41,079
that's hesitant to put their name on

1196
00:56:41,079 --> 00:56:42,880
these documents so you're not having

1197
00:56:42,880 --> 00:56:45,640
them attach their name which is a huge

1198
00:56:45,640 --> 00:56:47,200
component if the police department is

1199
00:56:47,200 --> 00:56:49,319
unable to respond to every instant which

1200
00:56:49,319 --> 00:56:51,400
we know they're not that's why I think

1201
00:56:51,400 --> 00:56:53,599
it is crucial for the incidences that

1202
00:56:53,599 --> 00:56:55,920
they do respond to for us to have a

1203
00:56:55,920 --> 00:56:58,920
stronger approach and I pushed back and

1204
00:56:58,920 --> 00:57:02,160
I out of fear of how think is going to

1205
00:57:02,160 --> 00:57:06,160
respond to us if we remain uh slow or

1206
00:57:06,160 --> 00:57:08,079
cautious to do anything different I just

1207
00:57:08,079 --> 00:57:11,079
had an email and in one regard the

1208
00:57:11,079 --> 00:57:13,520
resident says hey this is an issue I'm

1209
00:57:13,520 --> 00:57:15,079
glad you're talking about it then the

1210
00:57:15,079 --> 00:57:16,599
later half of the email he goes I don't

1211
00:57:16,599 --> 00:57:17,520
even think you guys are going to really

1212
00:57:17,520 --> 00:57:19,640
do anything and that is the expectation

1213
00:57:19,640 --> 00:57:21,440
that I hear day in and day out it's why

1214
00:57:21,440 --> 00:57:23,720
even bother I'm just going to suck this

1215
00:57:23,720 --> 00:57:27,680
up and get through it and I I again I I

1216
00:57:27,680 --> 00:57:30,359
don't think we're talking about the

1217
00:57:30,359 --> 00:57:31,880
cocktail parties where you're

1218
00:57:31,880 --> 00:57:35,039
celebrating a a birthday I think I'm

1219
00:57:35,039 --> 00:57:37,280
talking I I know I'm talking about the

1220
00:57:37,280 --> 00:57:38,160
Earth

1221
00:57:38,160 --> 00:57:42,160
shattering window pounding vibrations

1222
00:57:42,160 --> 00:57:43,720
and I think that is something that

1223
00:57:43,720 --> 00:57:45,839
people can tell the difference on and if

1224
00:57:45,839 --> 00:57:50,599
you're groping in those same arguments I wholeheartedly hope that the other

1225
00:57:50,599 --> 00:57:52,720
members in our committee Public Safety

1226
00:57:52,720 --> 00:57:55,480
Committee will at least will at least

1227
00:57:55,480 --> 00:57:57,839
allow the public weigh in during public

1228
00:57:57,839 --> 00:57:59,039
comment we choose to do something

1229
00:57:59,039 --> 00:58:01,720
differently but I I urge the community

1230
00:58:01,720 --> 00:58:04,039
to come out and give us your experiences

1231
00:58:04,039 --> 00:58:05,359
give us your stories because that's

1232
00:58:05,359 --> 00:58:07,240
what's going to be needed to ensure that

1233
00:58:07,240 --> 00:58:08,960
what we're doing is with the right

1234
00:58:08,960 --> 00:58:11,039
intent but I think staying the course

1235
00:58:11,039 --> 00:58:12,480
that sends a poor message to the

1236
00:58:12,480 --> 00:58:14,280
community and we have to do something

1237
00:58:14,280 --> 00:58:17,079
different and the reason why I'm uh

1238
00:58:17,079 --> 00:58:19,079
advocating for something as strong as

1239
00:58:19,079 --> 00:58:21,119
this because without that without the

1240
00:58:21,119 --> 00:58:24,280
drones without the law enforcement

1241
00:58:24,280 --> 00:58:26,760
officers there's a there's a hug huge

1242
00:58:26,760 --> 00:58:31,079
gap all Mr yes going back and as I had

1243
00:58:31,079 --> 00:58:33,440
it marked last time we met to modify the

1244
00:58:33,440 --> 00:58:36,880
section 1827 because there are many

1245
00:58:36,880 --> 00:58:38,760
people there who will let who doesn't

1246
00:58:38,760 --> 00:58:41,640
have a problem put their name on after

1247
00:58:41,640 --> 00:58:43,319
so I would like to see that we put that

1248
00:58:43,319 --> 00:58:45,200
in there and give them an opportunity

1249
00:58:45,200 --> 00:58:47,359
whoever so desire there's an opportunity

1250
00:58:47,359 --> 00:58:49,599
for you to make a statement and swore to

1251
00:58:49,599 --> 00:58:52,119
it that yes you Witnesses and if the

1252
00:58:52,119 --> 00:58:54,559
case was to go to trial they will show

1253
00:58:54,559 --> 00:58:57,079
off and testify on that

1254
00:58:57,079 --> 00:58:58,720
we can't just leave it blank and then

1255
00:58:58,720 --> 00:59:00,119
we're not giving them opportunity

1256
00:59:00,119 --> 00:59:02,400
because video evidence is one not a lot

1257
00:59:02,400 --> 00:59:03,720
of people will do that and I don't

1258
00:59:03,720 --> 00:59:07,039
encourage that safety reason but adding

1259
00:59:07,039 --> 00:59:09,559
that into this section will help and yes

1260
00:59:09,559 --> 00:59:13,119
you talk about um the shattering glasses

1261
00:59:13,119 --> 00:59:15,200
this is why we need to look at the

1262
00:59:15,200 --> 00:59:17,799
modified speaker because if we can

1263
00:59:17,799 --> 00:59:19,400
address the modified speaker with a

1264
00:59:19,400 --> 00:59:21,680
hydraulic lift putting this speak on top

1265
00:59:21,680 --> 00:59:24,520
of these SUVs on the car and what we're

1266
00:59:24,520 --> 00:59:27,359
doing here it just was time so that's

1267
00:59:27,359 --> 00:59:31,000
why I would like to refer to Law

1268
00:59:31,000 --> 00:59:33,480
Department how can we put something in

1269
00:59:33,480 --> 00:59:36,960
place to to Target these modified

1270
00:59:36,960 --> 00:59:38,799
speakers that they have these all

1271
00:59:38,799 --> 00:59:41,839
hydraulic system in they car do we need

1272
00:59:41,839 --> 00:59:44,079
to come up with something from the Law

1273
00:59:44,079 --> 00:59:45,960
Department to kind of revise the city

1274
00:59:45,960 --> 00:59:48,720
Charter to address that specifically

1275
00:59:48,720 --> 00:59:51,160
because we have seen over the several

1276
00:59:51,160 --> 00:59:53,720
months into the summer here a lot of

1277
00:59:53,720 --> 00:59:55,559
those activities where they call it them

1278
00:59:55,559 --> 00:59:58,589
car

1279
00:59:58,599 --> 01:00:01,760
meet and their loud explosion with music

1280
01:00:01,760 --> 01:00:03,440
and you know it's affecting the

1281
01:00:03,440 --> 01:00:05,119
neighborhood that's the thing we need to

1282
01:00:05,119 --> 01:00:06,280
address and at the same time this is

1283
01:00:06,280 --> 01:00:08,200
going to be addressing these are these

1284
01:00:08,200 --> 01:00:10,720
are residential but then we look at the

1285
01:00:10,720 --> 01:00:12,200
car and driving down the street and

1286
01:00:12,200 --> 01:00:15,000
shattering everybody's glass are shaking

1287
01:00:15,000 --> 01:00:16,039
how

1288
01:00:16,039 --> 01:00:20,720
be lot yeah I definitely I I really want

1289
01:00:20,720 --> 01:00:22,280
to talk about the vehicles and I have to

1290
01:00:22,280 --> 01:00:24,440
just say coincidentally I was on my walk

1291
01:00:24,440 --> 01:00:26,200
this morning headed back towards my

1292
01:00:26,200 --> 01:00:29,119
house and there was a vehicle and I you

1293
01:00:29,119 --> 01:00:30,960
know had just finished you know going

1294
01:00:30,960 --> 01:00:32,200
through all of this and there was a

1295
01:00:32,200 --> 01:00:34,599
vehicle parked on you know I think I was

1296
01:00:34,599 --> 01:00:37,480
on Keys uh on the side of the road

1297
01:00:37,480 --> 01:00:41,240
glaring music out the out the window um

1298
01:00:41,240 --> 01:00:43,839
just sitting in front of this house um

1299
01:00:43,839 --> 01:00:45,520
and they just kept pumping it up higher

1300
01:00:45,520 --> 01:00:47,839
and higher and higher um and I I

1301
01:00:47,839 --> 01:00:49,559
actually the the person I walked with

1302
01:00:49,559 --> 01:00:51,880
said don't like I because I literally

1303
01:00:51,880 --> 01:00:54,160
wanted to go over and say Hey you know

1304
01:00:54,160 --> 01:00:56,160
you you really and and you know my my

1305
01:00:56,160 --> 01:00:57,520
walking partner said don't don't you

1306
01:00:57,520 --> 01:01:01,640
dare go over there um uh in in case you

1307
01:01:01,640 --> 01:01:03,039
know something happened but I think the

1308
01:01:03,039 --> 01:01:05,680
car thing is really um important and

1309
01:01:05,680 --> 01:01:07,359
Miss Porterfield brought up at our last

1310
01:01:07,359 --> 01:01:09,000
meeting about the

1311
01:01:09,000 --> 01:01:11,480
Mufflers um and the fact that people are

1312
01:01:11,480 --> 01:01:14,400
um you know modifying Mufflers which is

1313
01:01:14,400 --> 01:01:19,400
um in 1824 section B um and I wanted to

1314
01:01:19,400 --> 01:01:21,160
bring up that you

1315
01:01:21,160 --> 01:01:24,119
know I think also we might consider a

1316
01:01:24,119 --> 01:01:27,079
penalty on you installers I mean I don't

1317
01:01:27,079 --> 01:01:28,839
know if people are just installing them

1318
01:01:28,839 --> 01:01:30,920
themselves or if there's actually places

1319
01:01:30,920 --> 01:01:33,920
that we could um you know think that are

1320
01:01:33,920 --> 01:01:36,160
this is this is happening at different

1321
01:01:36,160 --> 01:01:39,799
Service uh places I I don't know I I I

1322
01:01:39,799 --> 01:01:41,119
but I mean that to me I think they

1323
01:01:41,119 --> 01:01:42,760
should be fined as well if there's if

1324
01:01:42,760 --> 01:01:44,319
there's people that are actually

1325
01:01:44,319 --> 01:01:46,680
installing these modified devices that

1326
01:01:46,680 --> 01:01:48,920
we should issue some sort of penalty

1327
01:01:48,920 --> 01:01:52,480
there as well my question ass is it

1328
01:01:52,480 --> 01:01:54,839
legal I you're trying

1329
01:01:54,839 --> 01:01:57,400
to I I don't want to be rude I just I

1330
01:01:57,400 --> 01:01:59,640
had an obligation

1331
01:01:59,640 --> 01:02:03,200
so so these modified things on the cars

1332
01:02:03,200 --> 01:02:05,640
the musers the crazy the speakers all

1333
01:02:05,640 --> 01:02:08,319
that are those legal I mean is there

1334
01:02:08,319 --> 01:02:10,960
something some part of law that says you

1335
01:02:10,960 --> 01:02:13,559
can't to that degree yeah there's a in

1336
01:02:13,559 --> 01:02:15,000
the vehicle on traffic law there's an

1337
01:02:15,000 --> 01:02:18,640
entire section that um covers

1338
01:02:18,640 --> 01:02:21,480
modifications or or it's uh what we call

1339
01:02:21,480 --> 01:02:23,839
equipment violations so there's a whole

1340
01:02:23,839 --> 01:02:27,480
section with um legal tolerances for

1341
01:02:27,480 --> 01:02:29,480
certain additions or modifications that

1342
01:02:29,480 --> 01:02:31,760
are made to vehicles that go all the way

1343
01:02:31,760 --> 01:02:33,240
from you know how high off the ground

1344
01:02:33,240 --> 01:02:36,599
your license plate is supposed to be so

1345
01:02:36,599 --> 01:02:39,520
it really gets into the Weeds on those

1346
01:02:39,520 --> 01:02:42,880
types of modifications and um you know

1347
01:02:42,880 --> 01:02:44,839
pertaining to the equipment on the

1348
01:02:44,839 --> 01:02:47,960
vehicle thank yeah you're fine you don't

1349
01:02:47,960 --> 01:02:50,039
need to answer this so um just and

1350
01:02:50,039 --> 01:02:51,920
everyone knows see

1351
01:02:51,920 --> 01:02:55,160
fix you're good and thank you very much

1352
01:02:55,160 --> 01:02:56,559
have a good weekend

1353
01:02:56,559 --> 01:02:58,920
yeah thank you for the opportunity thank

1354
01:02:58,920 --> 01:03:02,440
you thank you um this connected pv's

1355
01:03:02,440 --> 01:03:04,440
website I mean I'm on there frequently

1356
01:03:04,440 --> 01:03:06,640
especially with the with the loud noises

1357
01:03:06,640 --> 01:03:09,400
this white Audi that drives by my house

1358
01:03:09,400 --> 01:03:10,839
and and Shakes the whole house

1359
01:03:10,839 --> 01:03:12,799
constantly so of course I get license

1360
01:03:12,799 --> 01:03:14,279
plates the other day in front of the

1361
01:03:14,279 --> 01:03:15,960
funeral home there's a black Lexus I

1362
01:03:15,960 --> 01:03:17,480
actually walked up and and told the

1363
01:03:17,480 --> 01:03:19,559
gentleman to turn it down I mean it just

1364
01:03:19,559 --> 01:03:21,200
shakes and it vibrates I take their

1365
01:03:21,200 --> 01:03:22,680
license plate numbers and the make of

1366
01:03:22,680 --> 01:03:25,119
the car and I turn it in on the SPD

1367
01:03:25,119 --> 01:03:27,200
website um so they can be aware of

1368
01:03:27,200 --> 01:03:28,359
what's out there and I encourage

1369
01:03:28,359 --> 01:03:31,160
everyone to do that um on that website

1370
01:03:31,160 --> 01:03:33,480
you can either put your name which which

1371
01:03:33,480 --> 01:03:36,599
I always do or it can be anonymous so

1372
01:03:36,599 --> 01:03:38,000
again just so that you know they can't

1373
01:03:38,000 --> 01:03:39,599
be everywhere so they have an idea of

1374
01:03:39,599 --> 01:03:42,400
what's going on so um and I I just want

1375
01:03:42,400 --> 01:03:44,319
to say this is this is a huge issue with

1376
01:03:44,319 --> 01:03:47,079
me as well so I'm not by U Mr Williams

1377
01:03:47,079 --> 01:03:48,880
when I said I the fines I'm okay with

1378
01:03:48,880 --> 01:03:51,760
the fines um I'm not not doing anything

1379
01:03:51,760 --> 01:03:53,680
there's things that need to be done and

1380
01:03:53,680 --> 01:03:55,319
again I don't even know people are

1381
01:03:55,319 --> 01:03:57,599
realizing that there are finds for

1382
01:03:57,599 --> 01:03:59,839
disturbances like this and as far as a

1383
01:03:59,839 --> 01:04:02,720
cocktail party in the yard yeah you know

1384
01:04:02,720 --> 01:04:05,119
when people's yards are butt each other

1385
01:04:05,119 --> 01:04:07,839
um people are trying to have a a

1386
01:04:07,839 --> 01:04:10,440
conversation at at their back table and

1387
01:04:10,440 --> 01:04:12,279
the people behind them are playing not

1388
01:04:12,279 --> 01:04:14,400
excessively loud music they've actually

1389
01:04:14,400 --> 01:04:16,480
walked over asked the individuals to

1390
01:04:16,480 --> 01:04:18,599
lower the music but the people don't so

1391
01:04:18,599 --> 01:04:20,240
you don't have any choice but to reach

1392
01:04:20,240 --> 01:04:23,880
out to the PD um so it's not you know

1393
01:04:23,880 --> 01:04:25,480
there there are individuals that are

1394
01:04:25,480 --> 01:04:28,440
being being annoyed not by R you know

1395
01:04:28,440 --> 01:04:32,640
loud vibrating music just Everyday Music

1396
01:04:32,640 --> 01:04:34,200
that's too loud in your neighborhood

1397
01:04:34,200 --> 01:04:36,720
when you're trying to enjoy yourself out

1398
01:04:36,720 --> 01:04:38,880
painting or weing or having a general

1399
01:04:38,880 --> 01:04:41,039
conversation at your table so I just

1400
01:04:41,039 --> 01:04:43,000
want to say that but I I just write

1401
01:04:43,000 --> 01:04:45,799
things down put it out you know report

1402
01:04:45,799 --> 01:04:48,079
whatever you see

1403
01:04:48,079 --> 01:04:51,480
whenever I just want in in the in regard

1404
01:04:51,480 --> 01:04:53,960
to vehicles I know the speakers does

1405
01:04:53,960 --> 01:04:57,710
section 1824

1406
01:04:57,720 --> 01:05:01,200
j2v address

1407
01:05:01,200 --> 01:05:03,079
that

1408
01:05:03,079 --> 01:05:05,960
well up I think it's a little bit

1409
01:05:05,960 --> 01:05:09,119
too yeah 182 could you just repeat that

1410
01:05:09,119 --> 01:05:11,000
sure

1411
01:05:11,000 --> 01:05:13,880
1824

1412
01:05:13,880 --> 01:05:16,400
jound oh no yeah

1413
01:05:16,400 --> 01:05:19,829
2 yeah

1414
01:05:19,839 --> 01:05:23,039
no no that is where we talk about the um

1415
01:05:23,039 --> 01:05:25,240
mufflers and such great but I think it

1416
01:05:25,240 --> 01:05:26,880
needs to be nail down a little bit more

1417
01:05:26,880 --> 01:05:30,119
in terms of modifying I agree totally

1418
01:05:30,119 --> 01:05:32,640
agree especially those those low rider

1419
01:05:32,640 --> 01:05:35,160
cars that are right on

1420
01:05:35,160 --> 01:05:36,799
the

1421
01:05:36,799 --> 01:05:38,440
it's

1422
01:05:38,440 --> 01:05:41,079
1824 section

1423
01:05:41,079 --> 01:05:44,400
B and B3 is um you know that's where I

1424
01:05:44,400 --> 01:05:45,920
put my question about whether places

1425
01:05:45,920 --> 01:05:48,799
that install it could also get

1426
01:05:48,799 --> 01:05:51,079
fined but I don't know enough about it

1427
01:05:51,079 --> 01:05:52,880
to know whether that's how these

1428
01:05:52,880 --> 01:05:55,000
Mufflers are being modified yeah they

1429
01:05:55,000 --> 01:05:57,680
take them some they do take or or they

1430
01:05:57,680 --> 01:05:58,920
know how to

1431
01:05:58,920 --> 01:06:01,799
do um my my only other comment I really

1432
01:06:01,799 --> 01:06:03,480
wanted to make sure that we as we're

1433
01:06:03,480 --> 01:06:05,680
considering all these things we because

1434
01:06:05,680 --> 01:06:07,039
I get a lot of complaints about this

1435
01:06:07,039 --> 01:06:09,240
construction so we have to make sure

1436
01:06:09,240 --> 01:06:10,400
when we're looking at construction but

1437
01:06:10,400 --> 01:06:11,920
construction people start work at 6:00

1438
01:06:11,920 --> 01:06:14,680
in the morning what they do so you know

1439
01:06:14,680 --> 01:06:17,240
how do we even address that because that

1440
01:06:17,240 --> 01:06:20,880
gets them from 6:00 to 3:

1441
01:06:20,880 --> 01:06:22,400
they

1442
01:06:22,400 --> 01:06:26,839
I I also circled that but I think think

1443
01:06:26,839 --> 01:06:29,279
that you know I mean people especially

1444
01:06:29,279 --> 01:06:30,599
like when you think about the summer

1445
01:06:30,599 --> 01:06:32,960
time um I think that folks are trying to

1446
01:06:32,960 --> 01:06:35,319
get their work done um in terms of the

1447
01:06:35,319 --> 01:06:37,720
early morning hours where it's less

1448
01:06:37,720 --> 01:06:40,559
humid that kind of thing so I

1449
01:06:40,559 --> 01:06:43,000
think I think that one's a tough one and

1450
01:06:43,000 --> 01:06:45,359
people might just have to deal with um

1451
01:06:45,359 --> 01:06:48,400
the construction noise but my response

1452
01:06:48,400 --> 01:06:49,960
would be if you're dealing with it as

1453
01:06:49,960 --> 01:06:51,440
you're driving to work if you're dealing

1454
01:06:51,440 --> 01:06:52,799
with it as you're trying to go to sleep

1455
01:06:52,799 --> 01:06:54,240
at night and if you're dealing with it

1456
01:06:54,240 --> 01:06:55,799
because the roads are getting PID

1457
01:06:55,799 --> 01:06:58,520
repaved again to to to what Avail so I

1458
01:06:58,520 --> 01:07:01,839
think it's just a lot um I I know we

1459
01:07:01,839 --> 01:07:03,799
weren't meant to kind of solve anything

1460
01:07:03,799 --> 01:07:05,559
is more have a pre-c

1461
01:07:05,559 --> 01:07:07,920
conversation community meeting which I I

1462
01:07:07,920 --> 01:07:09,720
very much want to just identify I

1463
01:07:09,720 --> 01:07:11,760
appreciate everyone coming out and being

1464
01:07:11,760 --> 01:07:13,760
present for this discussion I also want

1465
01:07:13,760 --> 01:07:16,000
to make sure we we capture the fact that

1466
01:07:16,000 --> 01:07:18,319
Miss BR I want to make sure I we heard

1467
01:07:18,319 --> 01:07:20,400
her statement of if we're going to

1468
01:07:20,400 --> 01:07:23,000
continue with these efforts it has to be

1469
01:07:23,000 --> 01:07:24,839
worth your time and that's that's what I

1470
01:07:24,839 --> 01:07:26,680
hear or you don't have the ability to

1471
01:07:26,680 --> 01:07:31,319
respond to every incident uh small small

1472
01:07:31,319 --> 01:07:33,480
figures did I did not hear you correctly

1473
01:07:33,480 --> 01:07:38,279
where trying to to not go to trial

1474
01:07:38,279 --> 01:07:41,119
you're accepting pleas because to go to

1475
01:07:41,119 --> 01:07:43,319
trial for every offense is not realistic

1476
01:07:43,319 --> 01:07:48,069
especially if the fine ultimately is

1477
01:07:48,079 --> 01:07:52,359
$250 yes I mean we it it doesn't really

1478
01:07:52,359 --> 01:07:57,680
make sense to take every to trial

1479
01:07:57,680 --> 01:08:01,680
um but if that's what the council wants

1480
01:08:01,680 --> 01:08:04,640
we can do that I mean if we're here to

1481
01:08:04,640 --> 01:08:07,279
do what you know we Implement what you

1482
01:08:07,279 --> 01:08:10,720
legislate so if if the council wants to

1483
01:08:10,720 --> 01:08:12,799
take everyone to trial we can but

1484
01:08:12,799 --> 01:08:15,039
unfortunately that's going to stress the

1485
01:08:15,039 --> 01:08:17,199
resources of the Law Department if we

1486
01:08:17,199 --> 01:08:20,159
had unlimited resources that might be

1487
01:08:20,159 --> 01:08:21,600
different but that's just not the

1488
01:08:21,600 --> 01:08:24,640
reality of it we're a small But Mighty

1489
01:08:24,640 --> 01:08:28,000
team um um but and and the thing is that

1490
01:08:28,000 --> 01:08:30,759
taking everything to trial

1491
01:08:30,759 --> 01:08:33,839
like if you if you take it to trial you

1492
01:08:33,839 --> 01:08:37,000
have to prove the case and we may not

1493
01:08:37,000 --> 01:08:40,080
always be able to because of certain

1494
01:08:40,080 --> 01:08:42,520
circumstances and then we can do all

1495
01:08:42,520 --> 01:08:45,799
that work and then we get zero so when

1496
01:08:45,799 --> 01:08:49,239
we take please it kind of works for both

1497
01:08:49,239 --> 01:08:53,080
sides because it's a deterrent to the

1498
01:08:53,080 --> 01:08:55,600
offender because they've had to pay pay

1499
01:08:55,600 --> 01:08:59,520
a fine and at the same time the Law

1500
01:08:59,520 --> 01:09:02,520
Department doesn't have to put in all of

1501
01:09:02,520 --> 01:09:04,799
the effort and resources to take it

1502
01:09:04,799 --> 01:09:07,880
other way to trial but again if if the

1503
01:09:07,880 --> 01:09:09,600
council were to decide that we would

1504
01:09:09,600 --> 01:09:12,239
certainly take everyone to trial um my

1505
01:09:12,239 --> 01:09:14,000
recommendation instead would be if you

1506
01:09:14,000 --> 01:09:17,440
want $250 to be the standard that we

1507
01:09:17,440 --> 01:09:21,319
request of the port or that we agreed to

1508
01:09:21,319 --> 01:09:25,000
as a plea then raise the maximum fine so

1509
01:09:25,000 --> 01:09:26,040
that we're

1510
01:09:26,040 --> 01:09:28,600
giving them a quotequote break in order

1511
01:09:28,600 --> 01:09:30,560
to plea barain and that's why people

1512
01:09:30,560 --> 01:09:34,600
plea because they're taking a lesser um

1513
01:09:34,600 --> 01:09:38,040
penalty in exchange for them also not

1514
01:09:38,040 --> 01:09:39,600
having the risk of going to court and

1515
01:09:39,600 --> 01:09:41,520
losing and having to pay the maximum

1516
01:09:41,520 --> 01:09:43,520
fine it's all a negotiation when you go

1517
01:09:43,520 --> 01:09:46,120
to court and before I opening up to

1518
01:09:46,120 --> 01:09:47,080
questions again I just want to make

1519
01:09:47,080 --> 01:09:49,600
clear my intent is not for the the Law

1520
01:09:49,600 --> 01:09:51,359
Department to take everyone to trial I

1521
01:09:51,359 --> 01:09:53,319
don't think we are truly going to have

1522
01:09:53,319 --> 01:09:55,560
everyone documenting or submitting these

1523
01:09:55,560 --> 01:09:58,480
complaints uh because in some regards

1524
01:09:58,480 --> 01:10:00,360
that is a luxury that others have than

1525
01:10:00,360 --> 01:10:02,199
not where I think if you're working two

1526
01:10:02,199 --> 01:10:03,880
jobs or if you're riding bus and you

1527
01:10:03,880 --> 01:10:05,280
don't have a computer I think you're

1528
01:10:05,280 --> 01:10:06,719
limited in how you can submit a

1529
01:10:06,719 --> 01:10:09,159
complaint um but what I will say is I

1530
01:10:09,159 --> 01:10:11,560
think if we are at least responding to

1531
01:10:11,560 --> 01:10:13,880
the egregious offenders I think yes we

1532
01:10:13,880 --> 01:10:17,440
need to have a strong expectation to to

1533
01:10:17,440 --> 01:10:20,080
see those through with no considerations

1534
01:10:20,080 --> 01:10:21,520
for fleas because again I think that

1535
01:10:21,520 --> 01:10:24,239
sets an undue presence where said it's a

1536
01:10:24,239 --> 01:10:26,080
Miss porterfield's point

1537
01:10:26,080 --> 01:10:27,000
what is

1538
01:10:27,000 --> 01:10:29,120
$50 and if you know you're having this

1539
01:10:29,120 --> 01:10:30,760
party and you want to enjoy yourself

1540
01:10:30,760 --> 01:10:33,120
what's $200 to have a good

1541
01:10:33,120 --> 01:10:34,880
time

1542
01:10:34,880 --> 01:10:38,600
Mr let let me go back to the m during

1543
01:10:38,600 --> 01:10:41,400
our discussion in terms of the fee

1544
01:10:41,400 --> 01:10:43,280
increase proposed Fe increase which

1545
01:10:43,280 --> 01:10:45,159
we're going to hear from Monday from the

1546
01:10:45,159 --> 01:10:47,560
police department we touch on on the

1547
01:10:47,560 --> 01:10:49,400
modify exhaust and the speaker and there

1548
01:10:49,400 --> 01:10:52,320
is no legislation directly to kind of to

1549
01:10:52,320 --> 01:10:55,440
modify speaker but to exhaust is a state

1550
01:10:55,440 --> 01:10:57,880
La so what the police can only do is to

1551
01:10:57,880 --> 01:11:02,239
enforce it and by enforcing they will um

1552
01:11:02,239 --> 01:11:04,360
get a portion of that Revenue so I think

1553
01:11:04,360 --> 01:11:05,520
that's what they going to be touching on

1554
01:11:05,520 --> 01:11:08,360
Monday because we can as a local body

1555
01:11:08,360 --> 01:11:10,440
Institute that it's a state l so they

1556
01:11:10,440 --> 01:11:12,280
will try to see how they can put

1557
01:11:12,280 --> 01:11:15,000
resource to enforce that like how they

1558
01:11:15,000 --> 01:11:17,960
do the DWI check and you know all these

1559
01:11:17,960 --> 01:11:21,040
different um seat Bel stuff uh to get

1560
01:11:21,040 --> 01:11:23,040
that going so I don't know how we can

1561
01:11:23,040 --> 01:11:26,640
address that on the local level but more

1562
01:11:26,640 --> 01:11:29,040
PD enforcement and whenever they have

1563
01:11:29,040 --> 01:11:32,239
the resources to the in terms of the fee

1564
01:11:32,239 --> 01:11:35,400
I just want to to talk

1565
01:11:35,400 --> 01:11:39,159
and um the garbage violation on the

1566
01:11:39,159 --> 01:11:41,440
garbage garbage violation I mean yes we

1567
01:11:41,440 --> 01:11:44,159
have seen a lot of violation there but

1568
01:11:44,159 --> 01:11:46,480
then if you've go into the neighborhood

1569
01:11:46,480 --> 01:11:48,480
two months ago and you were to go back

1570
01:11:48,480 --> 01:11:51,280
today you will see drastic difference

1571
01:11:51,280 --> 01:11:52,880
the garbage can is not on the front

1572
01:11:52,880 --> 01:11:54,320
porch and garbage can is not on the

1573
01:11:54,320 --> 01:11:56,520
front site walk they're all the way at

1574
01:11:56,520 --> 01:11:58,920
the back of the house why because

1575
01:11:58,920 --> 01:12:00,560
somebody received a violation that you

1576
01:12:00,560 --> 01:12:02,120
were not putting your garbage was

1577
01:12:02,120 --> 01:12:04,480
improperly stored so it's more of an

1578
01:12:04,480 --> 01:12:06,840
enforcement to tell you that you are in

1579
01:12:06,840 --> 01:12:09,600
violation of your garbage take it to the

1580
01:12:09,600 --> 01:12:11,159
back of the house so I think for the

1581
01:12:11,159 --> 01:12:13,480
approach here I don't have an issue

1582
01:12:13,480 --> 01:12:15,639
either up or down with the fees but it's

1583
01:12:15,639 --> 01:12:17,880
more of a enforcement and a stronger

1584
01:12:17,880 --> 01:12:20,520
enforcement of the

1585
01:12:20,520 --> 01:12:24,120
no and agree with uh the Law Department

1586
01:12:24,120 --> 01:12:25,239
we have to also look at the result

1587
01:12:25,239 --> 01:12:27,440
Source we cannot tie up all the

1588
01:12:27,440 --> 01:12:29,560
department with a lot of um all these

1589
01:12:29,560 --> 01:12:30,800
evidence and all sort of things to

1590
01:12:30,800 --> 01:12:32,040
present the course so we give them an

1591
01:12:32,040 --> 01:12:34,600
opportunity to so okay let's ble a case

1592
01:12:34,600 --> 01:12:36,199
there is an opportunity for you to B

1593
01:12:36,199 --> 01:12:39,120
guilty and pay fine and move on and at

1594
01:12:39,120 --> 01:12:41,960
the same time also um we talked the last

1595
01:12:41,960 --> 01:12:44,040
time about Pro because there are a lot

1596
01:12:44,040 --> 01:12:45,560
of things that people are doing events

1597
01:12:45,560 --> 01:12:47,600
special events and things of that for

1598
01:12:47,600 --> 01:12:50,719
the you know the young kids we should

1599
01:12:50,719 --> 01:12:53,920
work on a Institute a permit and that

1600
01:12:53,920 --> 01:12:56,520
permit will carry a lot of information

1601
01:12:56,520 --> 01:12:58,880
about the host so the PD instead of

1602
01:12:58,880 --> 01:13:01,840
going down there they can from the pring

1603
01:13:01,840 --> 01:13:04,480
they can call the hes and ask them to

1604
01:13:04,480 --> 01:13:06,560
you know receive complaint you should

1605
01:13:06,560 --> 01:13:08,880
turn your music down and you know if

1606
01:13:08,880 --> 01:13:11,280
your perit expired you should take it

1607
01:13:11,280 --> 01:13:13,840
off so I think um that is something that

1608
01:13:13,840 --> 01:13:15,480
we should look at

1609
01:13:15,480 --> 01:13:17,360
into

1610
01:13:17,360 --> 01:13:23,040
and we talk about um Fireworks yes we we

1611
01:13:23,040 --> 01:13:24,800
need to look at that also it's not

1612
01:13:24,800 --> 01:13:25,800
because

1613
01:13:25,800 --> 01:13:28,639
that is that is a noise usess also how

1614
01:13:28,639 --> 01:13:31,040
do we do that this go back to the affid

1615
01:13:31,040 --> 01:13:33,600
if the person can sign that affid I say

1616
01:13:33,600 --> 01:13:36,600
yes my neighbor John light off you know

1617
01:13:36,600 --> 01:13:39,280
a whole bunch of fireworks you know so

1618
01:13:39,280 --> 01:13:42,120
be it show up the court and testify and

1619
01:13:42,120 --> 01:13:44,159
those we have to give uh people that

1620
01:13:44,159 --> 01:13:46,560
opportunity to to do that but I just

1621
01:13:46,560 --> 01:13:48,320
want to go back to the modified speaker

1622
01:13:48,320 --> 01:13:50,920
I am going to try to reach to

1623
01:13:50,920 --> 01:13:53,440
commissioner and U our cooperation

1624
01:13:53,440 --> 01:13:54,760
Council to see how we can draft

1625
01:13:54,760 --> 01:13:56,880
something to add to this modifi this at

1626
01:13:56,880 --> 01:13:58,840
the same time in terms of addressing

1627
01:13:58,840 --> 01:14:03,990
these loud speak

1628
01:14:04,000 --> 01:14:06,520
from well I was just looking at you know

1629
01:14:06,520 --> 01:14:10,840
maybe the scale of mention the agre bi

1630
01:14:10,840 --> 01:14:14,280
that rep what we have in code now

1631
01:14:14,280 --> 01:14:16,080
sufficient

1632
01:14:16,080 --> 01:14:18,440
enough that there you know obviously

1633
01:14:18,440 --> 01:14:20,679
keing should probably be enough

1634
01:14:20,679 --> 01:14:21,920
depending on

1635
01:14:21,920 --> 01:14:24,600
numbers um but then you know there

1636
01:14:24,600 --> 01:14:27,159
repeat fenders we want to look at the

1637
01:14:27,159 --> 01:14:30,199
fines and increase them because there's

1638
01:14:30,199 --> 01:14:31,159
a lot of

1639
01:14:31,159 --> 01:14:33,520
resources the triy

1640
01:14:33,520 --> 01:14:36,719
off so I think that's one way to take a

1641
01:14:36,719 --> 01:14:38,480
look at it so we can address those

1642
01:14:38,480 --> 01:14:41,199
repeat fenders in a way

1643
01:14:41,199 --> 01:14:46,800
thater advoca for find I'm I'm yeah yeah

1644
01:14:46,800 --> 01:14:49,239
yes or no

1645
01:14:49,239 --> 01:14:53,440
yes I'm sorry Patrick before um well I

1646
01:14:53,440 --> 01:14:55,800
just um the enforcement piece I mean I

1647
01:14:55,800 --> 01:14:57,960
think as we go I mean I think we have to

1648
01:14:57,960 --> 01:14:59,960
be realistic as well in terms of the

1649
01:14:59,960 --> 01:15:03,520
numbers of people that we Staffing um so

1650
01:15:03,520 --> 01:15:05,280
as we start to go into our budget

1651
01:15:05,280 --> 01:15:07,400
discussions um you know we have to be

1652
01:15:07,400 --> 01:15:10,040
aware of that because it also when I

1653
01:15:10,040 --> 01:15:12,360
think about the traffic uh measures

1654
01:15:12,360 --> 01:15:14,320
which we will also be addressing again

1655
01:15:14,320 --> 01:15:17,920
on Monday um it's the same issue you

1656
01:15:17,920 --> 01:15:20,520
know I think actually the mayor started

1657
01:15:20,520 --> 01:15:21,960
our meeting by talking about the

1658
01:15:21,960 --> 01:15:25,199
priorities and and our chief um brought

1659
01:15:25,199 --> 01:15:27,120
it up as well because these are not

1660
01:15:27,120 --> 01:15:29,159
going to be their High priorities so we

1661
01:15:29,159 --> 01:15:31,560
either have to increase the Staffing um

1662
01:15:31,560 --> 01:15:34,639
so that they can you know be able to uh

1663
01:15:34,639 --> 01:15:37,400
allocate their their human resources in

1664
01:15:37,400 --> 01:15:40,840
a way to help us enforce these things um

1665
01:15:40,840 --> 01:15:43,040
because I think the enforcement is key

1666
01:15:43,040 --> 01:15:45,360
um whether it's speeding uh the red

1667
01:15:45,360 --> 01:15:47,360
lights I mean we had some when we first

1668
01:15:47,360 --> 01:15:48,800
started these discussions about the

1669
01:15:48,800 --> 01:15:52,080
traffic stuff um you know basically or

1670
01:15:52,080 --> 01:15:54,080
if we you know on my ride along I mean

1671
01:15:54,080 --> 01:15:56,080
you know they're like you know we can't

1672
01:15:56,080 --> 01:15:57,760
necessarily go

1673
01:15:57,760 --> 01:15:59,840
to after somebody that's going through a

1674
01:15:59,840 --> 01:16:01,600
red light if we're going to get a call

1675
01:16:01,600 --> 01:16:03,480
that you know something more serious is

1676
01:16:03,480 --> 01:16:06,320
happening so how do we hand you know I

1677
01:16:06,320 --> 01:16:08,280
think we have to I just want to bring

1678
01:16:08,280 --> 01:16:09,800
that up that when we start our budget

1679
01:16:09,800 --> 01:16:11,639
discussions I think this is going to be

1680
01:16:11,639 --> 01:16:15,239
something that's we need to think about

1681
01:16:15,239 --> 01:16:16,880
so um first of all I think we should

1682
01:16:16,880 --> 01:16:19,239
increase the fees based on especially

1683
01:16:19,239 --> 01:16:20,880
Bas on what our Corporation Council is

1684
01:16:20,880 --> 01:16:22,840
saying because that gives them room to

1685
01:16:22,840 --> 01:16:25,239
negotiate so raise it up a little bit

1686
01:16:25,239 --> 01:16:27,000
and they can come to what we would

1687
01:16:27,000 --> 01:16:29,199
really like to get so I think that's U

1688
01:16:29,199 --> 01:16:31,719
part of it in terms of enforcement I

1689
01:16:31,719 --> 01:16:33,880
agree however I'm not sure if we

1690
01:16:33,880 --> 01:16:35,440
increase our staff if it's still going

1691
01:16:35,440 --> 01:16:38,760
to get them to this place because still

1692
01:16:38,760 --> 01:16:40,840
because it's sometimes it's

1693
01:16:40,840 --> 01:16:43,719
da that you call noise violation they

1694
01:16:43,719 --> 01:16:47,560
show like three days later with them so

1695
01:16:47,560 --> 01:16:49,719
I'm not sure if increasing Staffing is

1696
01:16:49,719 --> 01:16:51,719
going to address that in that way

1697
01:16:51,719 --> 01:16:53,840
because what I believe will happen is

1698
01:16:53,840 --> 01:16:56,480
then the higher priority calls still

1699
01:16:56,480 --> 01:16:58,520
come first they still will so I'm not

1700
01:16:58,520 --> 01:17:02,320
sure if that's necessarily the answer I think that part of it is that we're

1701
01:17:02,320 --> 01:17:07,520
not people don't know but there's a f people we we have to we have

1702
01:17:07,520 --> 01:17:09,560
to put the information you will get a f

1703
01:17:09,560 --> 01:17:11,840
for I agree and then we have to I don't

1704
01:17:11,840 --> 01:17:13,600
know if even it needs to be the police

1705
01:17:13,600 --> 01:17:15,840
department do we even have a separate

1706
01:17:15,840 --> 01:17:17,880
department just handle getting those

1707
01:17:17,880 --> 01:17:19,760
finds out there I

1708
01:17:19,760 --> 01:17:23,280
totally so um and that might be a little

1709
01:17:23,280 --> 01:17:25,159
less expensive

1710
01:17:25,159 --> 01:17:27,400
the police trying to do that I think we

1711
01:17:27,400 --> 01:17:30,080
have to look at it at various ways which

1712
01:17:30,080 --> 01:17:31,840
U which is most beneficial financially

1713
01:17:31,840 --> 01:17:34,280
for the city and for people to say you

1714
01:17:34,280 --> 01:17:35,480
know I'm not going to do that and then

1715
01:17:35,480 --> 01:17:38,040
just basically respect your neighbors

1716
01:17:38,040 --> 01:17:39,800
because that's really what it really BLS

1717
01:17:39,800 --> 01:17:41,560
down to you just only are concerned

1718
01:17:41,560 --> 01:17:43,560
about you and your party and you don't

1719
01:17:43,560 --> 01:17:45,920
care that you know that over here I'm

1720
01:17:45,920 --> 01:17:48,040
like I'm living with an elderly person

1721
01:17:48,040 --> 01:17:49,960
or I have a dog or whatever the

1722
01:17:49,960 --> 01:17:53,080
situation may be so I think that we we

1723
01:17:53,080 --> 01:17:54,960
know I don't think we do enough to to

1724
01:17:54,960 --> 01:17:58,400
inform the public about really what like

1725
01:17:58,400 --> 01:18:00,239
the mayor talks about Behavior a lot but

1726
01:18:00,239 --> 01:18:01,600
we don't really we talk about Behavior

1727
01:18:01,600 --> 01:18:03,560
around the stable how often do we talk

1728
01:18:03,560 --> 01:18:06,000
the behavior to our

1729
01:18:06,000 --> 01:18:09,960
community Mr T oh and and I I agree with

1730
01:18:09,960 --> 01:18:12,239
u Miss Porterfield Zero Tolerance I mean

1731
01:18:12,239 --> 01:18:13,840
it needs to get out there it won't be

1732
01:18:13,840 --> 01:18:15,520
tolerated even though we're not going to

1733
01:18:15,520 --> 01:18:17,360
be able to enforce it right now the way

1734
01:18:17,360 --> 01:18:20,920
we want to zero tolerance there's a fine

1735
01:18:20,920 --> 01:18:27,080
um it might deter some and uh again as as AC anovich said I've been working

1736
01:18:27,080 --> 01:18:29,800
for three years with the PD uh on this

1737
01:18:29,800 --> 01:18:32,239
ticket which is which is almost ready so

1738
01:18:32,239 --> 01:18:36,320
it's it's it's not going to be when when the police come and issue a

1739
01:18:36,320 --> 01:18:39,760
ticket it's not going to be a 2hour kind

1740
01:18:39,760 --> 01:18:42,679
of ticket it's going to be a quick

1741
01:18:42,679 --> 01:18:46,840
appearance ticket it's going to be boom boom you know check off uh what

1742
01:18:46,840 --> 01:18:48,600
your offenses are at that particular

1743
01:18:48,600 --> 01:18:50,719
time and triplicate hand it off and

1744
01:18:50,719 --> 01:18:52,040
you're out of there they sign it and

1745
01:18:52,040 --> 01:18:54,800
you're gone so that will allow them to

1746
01:18:54,800 --> 01:18:55,920
when they're driving down the street

1747
01:18:55,920 --> 01:18:57,239
there's a muffler in front of them and

1748
01:18:57,239 --> 01:18:58,880
they want to ticket it they don't want

1749
01:18:58,880 --> 01:19:00,400
to pull them over right now you know why

1750
01:19:00,400 --> 01:19:01,800
cuz they're on the way to another call

1751
01:19:01,800 --> 01:19:03,960
you don't know what's in qu waiting to

1752
01:19:03,960 --> 01:19:07,120
for them to to respond to so um all

1753
01:19:07,120 --> 01:19:09,400
those things but again Zero Tolerance we

1754
01:19:09,400 --> 01:19:12,960
can't we I I mean my neighborhood is

1755
01:19:12,960 --> 01:19:14,159
just

1756
01:19:14,159 --> 01:19:18,480
insane insane it's definitely Mr Man but

1757
01:19:18,480 --> 01:19:20,159
I want to make a comment I've heard it

1758
01:19:20,159 --> 01:19:21,760
multiple times like in our current

1759
01:19:21,760 --> 01:19:25,199
political system and and in the military

1760
01:19:25,199 --> 01:19:27,280
a non- enforceable law is a suggestion

1761
01:19:27,280 --> 01:19:29,920
so I hear you guys highlight the the

1762
01:19:29,920 --> 01:19:31,920
importance of enforcement you know we

1763
01:19:31,920 --> 01:19:34,320
don't have it because uh they're Limited

1764
01:19:34,320 --> 01:19:35,840
in what they can respond to and also

1765
01:19:35,840 --> 01:19:37,639
we're Limited in how many officers we

1766
01:19:37,639 --> 01:19:41,120
have so where is the give and and and we

1767
01:19:41,120 --> 01:19:43,120
then say we're just going to say we have

1768
01:19:43,120 --> 01:19:45,040
zero tolerance but KN in the backend we

1769
01:19:45,040 --> 01:19:46,199
don't have the ability to respond to

1770
01:19:46,199 --> 01:19:47,760
them I feel like we're again we're

1771
01:19:47,760 --> 01:19:49,440
setting our community up for for

1772
01:19:49,440 --> 01:19:50,790
disappointment

1773
01:19:50,790 --> 01:19:51,840
[Music]

1774
01:19:51,840 --> 01:19:55,360
Mr just wondering

1775
01:19:55,360 --> 01:19:59,560
the in the fenses are acop options that

1776
01:19:59,560 --> 01:20:01,199
you get some people might be their first

1777
01:20:01,199 --> 01:20:03,679
time or you know they get ticketed there

1778
01:20:03,679 --> 01:20:06,239
the fine and give you an acod which

1779
01:20:06,239 --> 01:20:09,360
would be six month AC contemplation

1780
01:20:09,360 --> 01:20:11,560
dismiss six months about any violations

1781
01:20:11,560 --> 01:20:14,080
we can dismiss it excuse me please you

1782
01:20:14,080 --> 01:20:18,189
know look at the different sentencing

1783
01:20:18,199 --> 01:20:21,320
options well that would be more

1784
01:20:21,320 --> 01:20:24,800
complaints coming in and how do you know

1785
01:20:24,800 --> 01:20:26,760
got an acod this how do you know when I

1786
01:20:26,760 --> 01:20:28,480
come is the judge going to be able to

1787
01:20:28,480 --> 01:20:30,920
know that you get the world Department

1788
01:20:30,920 --> 01:20:34,000
would say this is not first time Mar has

1789
01:20:34,000 --> 01:20:36,159
been here three times before so no more

1790
01:20:36,159 --> 01:20:39,960
ACS for her they must know that

1791
01:20:39,960 --> 01:20:42,120
right the court would have a record of

1792
01:20:42,120 --> 01:20:45,360
the ACs but if you're if

1793
01:20:45,360 --> 01:20:52,470
you're that sounds different that's like

1794
01:20:52,480 --> 01:20:54,920
reducing we yeah I was thinking where

1795
01:20:54,920 --> 01:20:58,159
increase the sign but there are those

1796
01:20:58,159 --> 01:21:01,360
that that you know I I screwed up and

1797
01:21:01,360 --> 01:21:04,000
you know just as another option yeah we

1798
01:21:04,000 --> 01:21:06,600
can always offer an AC I mean there's

1799
01:21:06,600 --> 01:21:09,920
exceptions to every rule but generally

1800
01:21:09,920 --> 01:21:12,600
like I said we typically offer

1801
01:21:12,600 --> 01:21:14,320
150

1802
01:21:14,320 --> 01:21:17,800
um 200 because it's used in criminal

1803
01:21:17,800 --> 01:21:21,800
matters all the time right but if the

1804
01:21:21,800 --> 01:21:23,560
council

1805
01:21:23,560 --> 01:21:28,800
wants it's just it's just a conversation that's all I am

1806
01:21:28,800 --> 01:21:31,790
not in

1807
01:21:31,800 --> 01:21:35,679
favor German contemplation of

1808
01:21:35,679 --> 01:21:40,000
noise um so we have to bear in mind I

1809
01:21:40,000 --> 01:21:41,080
can I can

1810
01:21:41,080 --> 01:21:43,120
speak historically I'm being in the

1811
01:21:43,120 --> 01:21:45,719
council every time we make changes to

1812
01:21:45,719 --> 01:21:48,360
any city

1813
01:21:48,360 --> 01:21:52,400
laws it it it creates or it asks for

1814
01:21:52,400 --> 01:21:55,080
more resource to enforce it

1815
01:21:55,080 --> 01:21:58,960
M we can say we can change after 13 182

1816
01:21:58,960 --> 01:22:01,440
and 183 and said let it go there and we

1817
01:22:01,440 --> 01:22:04,280
expect the PD to enforce it we we're

1818
01:22:04,280 --> 01:22:06,719
being unfair to any Department if we

1819
01:22:06,719 --> 01:22:09,159
were to do that so we have to factor in

1820
01:22:09,159 --> 01:22:11,080
that because this what we're doing here

1821
01:22:11,080 --> 01:22:12,920
is good for our community but at the

1822
01:22:12,920 --> 01:22:16,440
same time we need to give the department

1823
01:22:16,440 --> 01:22:19,120
the resource to enforce it and let me

1824
01:22:19,120 --> 01:22:21,239
just go back a little bit and talk about

1825
01:22:21,239 --> 01:22:23,920
Nuance Department back in time it only

1826
01:22:23,920 --> 01:22:27,800
one m one person right we have four now

1827
01:22:27,800 --> 01:22:30,040
and it's the reason why we're seeing

1828
01:22:30,040 --> 01:22:32,639
that our neighborhood are being clean it

1829
01:22:32,639 --> 01:22:34,639
is because the resource at their

1830
01:22:34,639 --> 01:22:36,800
disposal they're fully staed and they're

1831
01:22:36,800 --> 01:22:38,440
going out there every single day and

1832
01:22:38,440 --> 01:22:40,639
they're enforcing the violation and it's

1833
01:22:40,639 --> 01:22:42,440
ticket and we're seeing our neighborhood

1834
01:22:42,440 --> 01:22:45,159
are cleaning day by day we're seeing

1835
01:22:45,159 --> 01:22:46,520
cleaning so the same thing going to be

1836
01:22:46,520 --> 01:22:48,080
happening here we're going to have to

1837
01:22:48,080 --> 01:22:49,760
make sure that we revise this to the

1838
01:22:49,760 --> 01:22:51,920
best we can to make sure that our

1839
01:22:51,920 --> 01:22:54,719
neighborhood are be addressed the

1840
01:22:54,719 --> 01:22:57,840
concern but at the same time address

1841
01:22:57,840 --> 01:23:02,719
resource resource to make sure that is put in place and they don't have to

1842
01:23:02,719 --> 01:23:04,600
wait 3 days we're going to have the

1843
01:23:04,600 --> 01:23:05,920
drones and we have somebody man the

1844
01:23:05,920 --> 01:23:07,760
Drone we have somebody right there to

1845
01:23:07,760 --> 01:23:09,360
take care of that to go over there res

1846
01:23:09,360 --> 01:23:11,679
You by appearance ticket a person show

1847
01:23:11,679 --> 01:23:14,080
up the court and then you know it takes

1848
01:23:14,080 --> 01:23:16,280
a course from there

1849
01:23:16,280 --> 01:23:18,960
on so just to piggyback on that I do

1850
01:23:18,960 --> 01:23:21,440
think that um I totally agree and I

1851
01:23:21,440 --> 01:23:24,719
think that there first of all we need to

1852
01:23:24,719 --> 01:23:26,520
having them at the table and I know he

1853
01:23:26,520 --> 01:23:28,600
you know he had to leave so but I mean

1854
01:23:28,600 --> 01:23:30,280
as we move forward obviously they'd

1855
01:23:30,280 --> 01:23:32,120
still be involved in these discussions

1856
01:23:32,120 --> 01:23:34,000
but because I've always thought maybe

1857
01:23:34,000 --> 01:23:36,280
there's a way to you know inist the help

1858
01:23:36,280 --> 01:23:38,520
of retirees from the I mean in other

1859
01:23:38,520 --> 01:23:41,199
words there might be Creative Solutions

1860
01:23:41,199 --> 01:23:43,080
uh to some of the staffing issues but

1861
01:23:43,080 --> 01:23:46,320
that's you know we need them to be uh

1862
01:23:46,320 --> 01:23:48,199
voicing their opinions on that I just

1863
01:23:48,199 --> 01:23:50,199
wanted to reiterate that I think whether

1864
01:23:50,199 --> 01:23:52,480
it's this issue whether it's the traffic

1865
01:23:52,480 --> 01:23:55,000
issue whether it's the trash issue the

1866
01:23:55,000 --> 01:23:57,280
education and the behavioral change is

1867
01:23:57,280 --> 01:23:59,840
key so I think we are going to have to

1868
01:23:59,840 --> 01:24:01,320
uh think about that and think about how

1869
01:24:01,320 --> 01:24:03,639
do we advertise it how do we Market it

1870
01:24:03,639 --> 01:24:04,920
you know what are the resources that

1871
01:24:04,920 --> 01:24:07,960
we're going to need to do to do that um

1872
01:24:07,960 --> 01:24:09,600
and then I also just want to say before

1873
01:24:09,600 --> 01:24:11,639
I mean two things before we before we

1874
01:24:11,639 --> 01:24:13,760
leave or just so when we continue our

1875
01:24:13,760 --> 01:24:15,360
discussion we do need to talk about

1876
01:24:15,360 --> 01:24:17,600
animals um and we do need to talk about

1877
01:24:17,600 --> 01:24:21,719
the parks um animals and what the noise

1878
01:24:21,719 --> 01:24:23,679
that there might be dogs that are left

1879
01:24:23,679 --> 01:24:25,639
outside you know eight hours or

1880
01:24:25,639 --> 01:24:27,719
something and they're barking like crazy

1881
01:24:27,719 --> 01:24:29,080
it's it's in here but I'm just saying

1882
01:24:29,080 --> 01:24:30,560
it's something that we didn't talk about

1883
01:24:30,560 --> 01:24:32,679
here and I do want us to do that and

1884
01:24:32,679 --> 01:24:35,320
then also just those public parks that

1885
01:24:35,320 --> 01:24:37,400
we all I mean I think we all can see

1886
01:24:37,400 --> 01:24:40,400
when we are walking in our parks that um

1887
01:24:40,400 --> 01:24:41,560
you know there's vehicles that are

1888
01:24:41,560 --> 01:24:43,080
making noise there's people that are

1889
01:24:43,080 --> 01:24:45,639
making noise all doesn't matter the day

1890
01:24:45,639 --> 01:24:48,960
or you know the time um so you know one

1891
01:24:48,960 --> 01:24:51,440
thing that I noticed um I think that

1892
01:24:51,440 --> 01:24:53,600
again it's it's a resource thing but we

1893
01:24:53,600 --> 01:24:55,320
might want to have sign in our parks

1894
01:24:55,320 --> 01:25:01,960
where the um non-emergency number um is visible on on signage in terms of you

1895
01:25:01,960 --> 01:25:04,679
know how does somebody report um a

1896
01:25:04,679 --> 01:25:07,600
complaint as well so those were the last

1897
01:25:07,600 --> 01:25:11,040
things that I just wanted to indicate

1898
01:25:11,040 --> 01:25:12,400
before we

1899
01:25:12,400 --> 01:25:16,199
leave before I go um next meeting can we

1900
01:25:16,199 --> 01:25:20,000
have both chapters 182 and 183 so that

1901
01:25:20,000 --> 01:25:23,719
we can kind of refer to 183 to what some

1902
01:25:23,719 --> 01:25:27,920
meting the next meeting yes so we'll kind of like we have we must look

1903
01:25:27,920 --> 01:25:29,520
at four

1904
01:25:29,520 --> 01:25:31,719
chapters uh any other questions or com

1905
01:25:31,719 --> 01:25:33,520
what's our next I mean in other words

1906
01:25:33,520 --> 01:25:34,840
back to what you said in terms of the

1907
01:25:34,840 --> 01:25:36,760
other email or the end of the email that

1908
01:25:36,760 --> 01:25:39,440
you received today I mean you know I

1909
01:25:39,440 --> 01:25:42,000
want to make sure that we do take action

1910
01:25:42,000 --> 01:25:43,960
um so I just didn't you know wanted to

1911
01:25:43,960 --> 01:25:45,880
see what your thoughts were in terms of

1912
01:25:45,880 --> 01:25:48,199
an action plan and our timeline and and

1913
01:25:48,199 --> 01:25:50,000
that Ty of thing so I would say in my

1914
01:25:50,000 --> 01:25:52,440
recommendations earlier with focusing on

1915
01:25:52,440 --> 01:25:54,480
adjusting the time frame for un reason

1916
01:25:54,480 --> 01:25:56,960
noise um adjusting the fines and then

1917
01:25:56,960 --> 01:25:58,760
focusing on the permits I think that

1918
01:25:58,760 --> 01:26:00,760
takes into account that our enforcement

1919
01:26:00,760 --> 01:26:06,000
is our enforcement so I don't foresee or forecast any significant changes to

1920
01:26:06,000 --> 01:26:08,600
the police department's Staffing levels

1921
01:26:08,600 --> 01:26:11,119
um I think enforcement is affected in a

1922
01:26:11,119 --> 01:26:12,880
positive way with the introduction of

1923
01:26:12,880 --> 01:26:15,119
drones which according to ACN no's

1924
01:26:15,119 --> 01:26:17,440
accounts are potentially end of this

1925
01:26:17,440 --> 01:26:20,320
year hopefully the beginning of next

1926
01:26:20,320 --> 01:26:22,480
year so again we're asking the community

1927
01:26:22,480 --> 01:26:25,159
to be patient which they've been doing

1928
01:26:25,159 --> 01:26:27,040
for a number of years so that is why

1929
01:26:27,040 --> 01:26:30,199
increasing the fines um I think gives M

1930
01:26:30,199 --> 01:26:33,320
rash's Department the ability to when we

1931
01:26:33,320 --> 01:26:36,159
respond to the few instances that we can

1932
01:26:36,159 --> 01:26:38,800
that it has more of a substantial impact

1933
01:26:38,800 --> 01:26:40,960
to the thing that everyone cares most

1934
01:26:40,960 --> 01:26:43,199
about which is your your wallet but also

1935
01:26:43,199 --> 01:26:45,000
it has a reverting impact on the

1936
01:26:45,000 --> 01:26:47,040
community that they are no longer

1937
01:26:47,040 --> 01:26:49,480
accepting fleas uh because the instances

1938
01:26:49,480 --> 01:26:52,280
that we do respond to are such a small

1939
01:26:52,280 --> 01:26:54,679
uh uh composite of all of the issues to

1940
01:26:54,679 --> 01:26:56,920
our city we need that to have a

1941
01:26:56,920 --> 01:26:59,639
magnified um impact so I think if we

1942
01:26:59,639 --> 01:27:02,199
were responding to a few instances those

1943
01:27:02,199 --> 01:27:04,199
instances that we're responding to need

1944
01:27:04,199 --> 01:27:06,280
to have weight and impact if that makes

1945
01:27:06,280 --> 01:27:09,760
sense so so I guess I think basically

1946
01:27:09,760 --> 01:27:11,400
what's mone's meeting that look like in

1947
01:27:11,400 --> 01:27:14,920
terms of you know what what we leave

1948
01:27:14,920 --> 01:27:16,679
from this you'll be bringing from this

1949
01:27:16,679 --> 01:27:18,719
meeting with the committee to the

1950
01:27:18,719 --> 01:27:22,560
meeting on Monday that's the question so

1951
01:27:22,560 --> 01:27:24,639
I would say listening with the

1952
01:27:24,639 --> 01:27:25,920
collective I know this is not a full

1953
01:27:25,920 --> 01:27:28,239
representation of our Collective Council

1954
01:27:28,239 --> 01:27:30,480
it seems as if we're saying we need to

1955
01:27:30,480 --> 01:27:33,360
increase um awareness which I agree on

1956
01:27:33,360 --> 01:27:37,239
um however we need to allow the uh

1957
01:27:37,239 --> 01:27:39,440
ticketing process as it currently exists

1958
01:27:39,440 --> 01:27:42,520
to continue on and I'm trying to be

1959
01:27:42,520 --> 01:27:45,280
positive but it it sounds like we need

1960
01:27:45,280 --> 01:27:48,400
to increase enforcement which we can but

1961
01:27:48,400 --> 01:27:49,800
we need to make sure the community is

1962
01:27:49,800 --> 01:27:52,679
aware that there's a ticketing um which

1963
01:27:52,679 --> 01:27:53,840
to some degree I don't think is going to

1964
01:27:53,840 --> 01:27:56,480
have impact on your ability to like

1965
01:27:56,480 --> 01:27:58,639
adhere to being a good Samaran or

1966
01:27:58,639 --> 01:28:02,520
not so well I thought we would

1967
01:28:02,520 --> 01:28:05,000
increasing the fin one discussion I

1968
01:28:05,000 --> 01:28:06,040
would say from the individuals in the

1969
01:28:06,040 --> 01:28:07,639
committee it seems as though they're

1970
01:28:07,639 --> 01:28:10,800
very they won't get out of

1971
01:28:10,800 --> 01:28:13,639
comme so no I'm just going to Monday's

1972
01:28:13,639 --> 01:28:15,400
meeting so what what is the purpose of

1973
01:28:15,400 --> 01:28:17,040
Monday's meeting because we still we're

1974
01:28:17,040 --> 01:28:19,000
still discussing here with gathering

1975
01:28:19,000 --> 01:28:21,920
information and then present so what are

1976
01:28:21,920 --> 01:28:23,480
we going to discuss Monday should we now

1977
01:28:23,480 --> 01:28:26,719
wait hold on another special meeting um

1978
01:28:26,719 --> 01:28:29,040
special public safety meeting try to get

1979
01:28:29,040 --> 01:28:30,920
some draft information in and present to

1980
01:28:30,920 --> 01:28:33,560
the entire Council Monday so what I

1981
01:28:33,560 --> 01:28:35,719
would ask is for everyone to as you had

1982
01:28:35,719 --> 01:28:37,600
your comments I took a vigorous amount

1983
01:28:37,600 --> 01:28:39,600
of notes and I hope think shitty clerk

1984
01:28:39,600 --> 01:28:41,560
was also taking notes also I would ask

1985
01:28:41,560 --> 01:28:44,480
in similar format if everyone could just

1986
01:28:44,480 --> 01:28:47,400
document your takeaways and either send

1987
01:28:47,400 --> 01:28:48,480
those in this m

1988
01:28:48,480 --> 01:28:50,719
gr or you can well I'd say that's

1989
01:28:50,719 --> 01:28:52,960
probably the best case uh and then we

1990
01:28:52,960 --> 01:28:55,080
compile them but in addition I think

1991
01:28:55,080 --> 01:28:56,679
there's a lot of credibility to

1992
01:28:56,679 --> 01:28:58,199
commissioner divine's comment of looking

1993
01:28:58,199 --> 01:29:01,080
at both chapter 182 and 183 collectively

1994
01:29:01,080 --> 01:29:02,920
in that point system um so I think

1995
01:29:02,920 --> 01:29:04,119
regardless of how we started this

1996
01:29:04,119 --> 01:29:07,239
meeting um I think we still have good

1997
01:29:07,239 --> 01:29:11,950
work or good outcomes to work towards

1998
01:29:11,960 --> 01:29:13,480
um

1999
01:29:13,480 --> 01:29:18,560
I um so okay so why don't you okay it's

2000
01:29:18,560 --> 01:29:20,560
on the agenda Monday so why don't you

2001
01:29:20,560 --> 01:29:23,000
give the entire Council an update or

2002
01:29:23,000 --> 01:29:25,440
what was the discussion or today and

2003
01:29:25,440 --> 01:29:27,440
then we continue and then come up with

2004
01:29:27,440 --> 01:29:29,920
our um recommendation to the entire

2005
01:29:29,920 --> 01:29:32,119
Council because we're going to discuss

2006
01:29:32,119 --> 01:29:33,520
the same thing Monday doesn't make any

2007
01:29:33,520 --> 01:29:35,560
sense no no I don't think that's what he

2008
01:29:35,560 --> 01:29:37,440
said I think I think he's saying that we

2009
01:29:37,440 --> 01:29:41,119
just give a um a report about the chair

2010
01:29:41,119 --> 01:29:42,760
can give you a report of what happened

2011
01:29:42,760 --> 01:29:45,320
like what Miss uh Patrick did and we

2012
01:29:45,320 --> 01:29:47,000
still continue to meet still continue to

2013
01:29:47,000 --> 01:29:48,679
put information together and come up

2014
01:29:48,679 --> 01:29:50,639
with a draft and then present to the F

2015
01:29:50,639 --> 01:29:54,800
Council agree so I don't um I don't know

2016
01:29:54,800 --> 01:29:55,920
how much of a discussion we're going to

2017
01:29:55,920 --> 01:29:57,440
have Monday because there's a lot of

2018
01:29:57,440 --> 01:29:59,639
discussion here and a lot of takeaways

2019
01:29:59,639 --> 01:30:01,800
for us to come up with a uh to start

2020
01:30:01,800 --> 01:30:04,719
work ons but I me one of the points was

2021
01:30:04,719 --> 01:30:07,560
uh looking at the system I think having

2022
01:30:07,560 --> 01:30:10,040
that as a kind of light hold moment of

2023
01:30:10,040 --> 01:30:12,560
that is an option we can have um as an

2024
01:30:12,560 --> 01:30:14,800
objective I think we have that continued

2025
01:30:14,800 --> 01:30:16,080
discussion as a council that might be

2026
01:30:16,080 --> 01:30:17,320
something we're willing to move on

2027
01:30:17,320 --> 01:30:19,600
forward in our committee so I would say

2028
01:30:19,600 --> 01:30:22,679
as if we capture all of the takeaways

2029
01:30:22,679 --> 01:30:24,520
and then we come to Monday and I do a

2030
01:30:24,520 --> 01:30:26,400
summarization but if you feel more

2031
01:30:26,400 --> 01:30:28,440
emboldened you want to take

2032
01:30:28,440 --> 01:30:31,320
a take a direction we can so I think

2033
01:30:31,320 --> 01:30:33,000
that's why leaving it is important um

2034
01:30:33,000 --> 01:30:34,800
but still continue like I have never

2035
01:30:34,800 --> 01:30:38,719
read 182 yet or 183 so I will and I then

2036
01:30:38,719 --> 01:30:41,280
may be more open to a different

2037
01:30:41,280 --> 01:30:43,159
direction exactly that's what I'm saying

2038
01:30:43,159 --> 01:30:46,719
uari so to kind of give summary next

2039
01:30:46,719 --> 01:30:50,239
Monday and then let's continue to work and make sure we

2040
01:30:50,239 --> 01:30:53,280
address every um section on the both

2041
01:30:53,280 --> 01:30:55,080
chapters and then bring it out to the

2042
01:30:55,080 --> 01:30:57,760
full Council once we can get that

2043
01:30:57,760 --> 01:31:00,480
agreement so move forward with I just

2044
01:31:00,480 --> 01:31:02,239
think that I do want to say that I think

2045
01:31:02,239 --> 01:31:04,719
that there might be things that um I I

2046
01:31:04,719 --> 01:31:06,400
absolutely think we need to you know

2047
01:31:06,400 --> 01:31:09,000
summarize our own questions and comments

2048
01:31:09,000 --> 01:31:11,040
and get that to miss Miku um I

2049
01:31:11,040 --> 01:31:12,280
definitely think we have to look at the

2050
01:31:12,280 --> 01:31:15,760
other uh ordinance as well and review

2051
01:31:15,760 --> 01:31:19,199
that but I hope that um there might be

2052
01:31:19,199 --> 01:31:20,679
some things where we might even on

2053
01:31:20,679 --> 01:31:22,520
Monday be able to make recommendations

2054
01:31:22,520 --> 01:31:24,719
for motions

2055
01:31:24,719 --> 01:31:27,239
um like increasing the fees like

2056
01:31:27,239 --> 01:31:30,040
increasing the fees or you know you'd

2057
01:31:30,040 --> 01:31:32,199
have to call for a public hear well we

2058
01:31:32,199 --> 01:31:34,280
do have a public hearing um when is the

2059
01:31:34,280 --> 01:31:36,400
public hearing there's no for public

2060
01:31:36,400 --> 01:31:37,920
hearing oh there isn't I thought there

2061
01:31:37,920 --> 01:31:38,760
was

2062
01:31:38,760 --> 01:31:40,840
already want to do that let's take our

2063
01:31:40,840 --> 01:31:43,000
time let's not jump on here we should do

2064
01:31:43,000 --> 01:31:44,400
all together I think what is the public

2065
01:31:44,400 --> 01:31:46,880
hearing that's coming up is it we have

2066
01:31:46,880 --> 01:31:49,159
some public hearings public okay what is

2067
01:31:49,159 --> 01:31:52,960
it okay and I just want to and I think

2068
01:31:52,960 --> 01:31:54,320
that's something we should do need to

2069
01:31:54,320 --> 01:31:56,800
talk to the law department and um the

2070
01:31:56,800 --> 01:31:58,280
police department and probably the Law

2071
01:31:58,280 --> 01:32:00,080
Department as well want to really just

2072
01:32:00,080 --> 01:32:02,719
caution Us in terms of the the use of

2073
01:32:02,719 --> 01:32:04,880
drones and people feeling about the the

2074
01:32:04,880 --> 01:32:06,880
whole big brother thing because that may

2075
01:32:06,880 --> 01:32:08,719
come into I think that's going to become

2076
01:32:08,719 --> 01:32:11,080
a conversation where people feel like

2077
01:32:11,080 --> 01:32:13,639
drones are over neighborhoods to pretty

2078
01:32:13,639 --> 01:32:16,199
much control their behavior so I'm not

2079
01:32:16,199 --> 01:32:19,280
sure that that if that's something we

2080
01:32:19,280 --> 01:32:21,639
can even do or how much how much we want

2081
01:32:21,639 --> 01:32:23,400
to do that so I think we should look

2082
01:32:23,400 --> 01:32:26,159
into the the theity of that well I think

2083
01:32:26,159 --> 01:32:27,239
I mean I think we've already moved

2084
01:32:27,239 --> 01:32:29,159
forward with purchasing these drones and

2085
01:32:29,159 --> 01:32:30,920
heard from our Police Department in

2086
01:32:30,920 --> 01:32:32,880
terms of some of the various uses for

2087
01:32:32,880 --> 01:32:36,239
the drones um I hear what you're saying

2088
01:32:36,239 --> 01:32:39,280
um but I think it's the same I mean I'm

2089
01:32:39,280 --> 01:32:40,600
still hoping that there's going to be

2090
01:32:40,600 --> 01:32:42,239
speed cameras on the red lights I mean

2091
01:32:42,239 --> 01:32:44,719
it's the same thing but we do have a

2092
01:32:44,719 --> 01:32:46,400
responsibility to be trying to look and

2093
01:32:46,400 --> 01:32:48,440
it's new techn I mean it's it is where

2094
01:32:48,440 --> 01:32:51,280
we're at I mean in terms of the world in

2095
01:32:51,280 --> 01:32:53,159
terms of being able to use the

2096
01:32:53,159 --> 01:32:56,239
technology that that now is at our um

2097
01:32:56,239 --> 01:32:58,400
available to us to be able to enforce

2098
01:32:58,400 --> 01:33:01,400
things um we may just have to take some

2099
01:33:01,400 --> 01:33:04,239
flap but I agree that when we have the

2100
01:33:04,239 --> 01:33:07,080
public hearing we we might hear um we're

2101
01:33:07,080 --> 01:33:08,880
going to hear I I mean I would have to

2102
01:33:08,880 --> 01:33:10,520
say that probably increasing the fines

2103
01:33:10,520 --> 01:33:11,719
we're going to hear from people that are

2104
01:33:11,719 --> 01:33:12,880
going to say this is going to be too

2105
01:33:12,880 --> 01:33:16,360
much of a hardship uh etc etc um in some

2106
01:33:16,360 --> 01:33:19,560
of our in some of our you know I'm just

2107
01:33:19,560 --> 01:33:20,600
saying I mean there's there's going to

2108
01:33:20,600 --> 01:33:22,840
be various opinions based on people's

2109
01:33:22,840 --> 01:33:26,360
income levels Etc where they're but I

2110
01:33:26,360 --> 01:33:28,880
get that we want to have zero tolerance

2111
01:33:28,880 --> 01:33:30,480
um so there's lot that's the term I'm

2112
01:33:30,480 --> 01:33:31,440
going to

2113
01:33:31,440 --> 01:33:33,400
use it's like out there and people

2114
01:33:33,400 --> 01:33:35,920
aren't really crazy about it yeah so I

2115
01:33:35,920 --> 01:33:37,400
mean we will hear all that in the H

2116
01:33:37,400 --> 01:33:39,040
hearing but but we're going to have to

2117
01:33:39,040 --> 01:33:41,119
still you know take all that information

2118
01:33:41,119 --> 01:33:43,199
in hand and still make our own decisions

2119
01:33:43,199 --> 01:33:45,960
based on as long as we're on good legal

2120
01:33:45,960 --> 01:33:48,119
standing that's that for me is a concern

2121
01:33:48,119 --> 01:33:50,000
oh yeah Abol make sure that we they

2122
01:33:50,000 --> 01:33:52,440
can't sue us or anything for that so as

2123
01:33:52,440 --> 01:33:54,800
long as we make sure that we have that

2124
01:33:54,800 --> 01:33:58,760
um because people are very petitious and

2125
01:33:58,760 --> 01:34:01,679
we get sued for a lot of things so can I

2126
01:34:01,679 --> 01:34:04,639
just ask what exactly do you are you

2127
01:34:04,639 --> 01:34:06,600
looking for from the law department for

2128
01:34:06,600 --> 01:34:10,280
Monday so i' say disregard no so I think

2129
01:34:10,280 --> 01:34:12,400
we're still in the uh information

2130
01:34:12,400 --> 01:34:14,239
gathering phase I think your perspective

2131
01:34:14,239 --> 01:34:15,800
was very valid and helped guide the

2132
01:34:15,800 --> 01:34:18,199
conversation so thank you but uh just to

2133
01:34:18,199 --> 01:34:21,119
capture I'm going to uh take a summary

2134
01:34:21,119 --> 01:34:22,920
of what I the notes I took I'm going to

2135
01:34:22,920 --> 01:34:24,480
ask everyone to still send your notes to

2136
01:34:24,480 --> 01:34:27,880
miss Miku um I will will cross compare

2137
01:34:27,880 --> 01:34:29,920
before Monday's meeting um but unless

2138
01:34:29,920 --> 01:34:31,520
there are other directions we'd like to

2139
01:34:31,520 --> 01:34:34,280
discuss I think M's point I'm not

2140
01:34:34,280 --> 01:34:36,719
willing I don't want to take just an

2141
01:34:36,719 --> 01:34:39,440
expedient approach but I want to ensure

2142
01:34:39,440 --> 01:34:41,080
that we are still working towards an

2143
01:34:41,080 --> 01:34:43,159
outcome yes that's I guess that's you

2144
01:34:43,159 --> 01:34:44,600
know because I I think we do hear it

2145
01:34:44,600 --> 01:34:47,040
often from folks that this Council you

2146
01:34:47,040 --> 01:34:48,560
know we hear that complaint that you

2147
01:34:48,560 --> 01:34:51,280
brought up earlier that we need to take

2148
01:34:51,280 --> 01:34:53,880
some action yeah so uh definitely thank

2149
01:34:53,880 --> 01:34:55,560
you for everyone taking the time I say

2150
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unless there were any other questions or

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concerns we may have a motion to adjourn

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01:34:58,679 --> 01:35:01,100
so move second all those in

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favor can you provide transfer to us

2155
01:35:09,719 --> 01:35:11,679
I'll try yes if you yeah you know that

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broke down while we meeting that's s we

2157
01:35:13,719 --> 01:35:15,880
we'll still help us um no you know when

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it broke down the mayor was still up

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there e