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[1:19] order we have one item on the agenda
[1:20] today that is the discussion to amend
[1:23] the city code chapter 182 uh in addition
[1:26] to my colleagues here tonight I just
[1:27] wanted to thank um mayor m
[1:30] commissioner Divine and assistant chief
[1:33] ovich and Mr bar for being pres as well
[1:36] so starting with the why I think we've
[1:39] all campaigned in in our perspective
[1:41] areas on the issue of noise just how do
[1:44] we address it uh as a as an entire city
[1:47] so in recognizing that just the this has
[1:49] been a chronic issue for as long as I've
[1:52] been on the council to understand there
[1:54] was ways where we can adjust C code and
[1:57] also work collaboratively with the other
[1:58] agencies this uh just have a better
[2:02] impact and improve the quality of life
[2:04] conditions for our residents uh so
[2:06] before I turn it over to uh police and
[2:09] the law department for their insight and
[2:12] understanding of enforcement and the
[2:14] legality of hearing to the U this city
[2:19] code my recommendation would be just so
[2:21] everyone has a transparent understanding
[2:23] of my thoughts uh it's one adjusting the
[2:27] time frame in which sound repr is deemed
[2:30] unreasonable So currently it is listed
[2:33] at 11:00 p.m. to 6: a.m. my
[2:35] recommendation is adjusting it to 9.m 9:
[2:44] a.m.
[2:48] 11m so I'm reading
[2:50] from section J and it is bullet number
[2:54] two
[2:56] okay and then again just for a
[3:00] accountability it says between the hours
[3:01] of 11:00 P.M to 6:
[3:04] a.
[3:06] the there occurrences of unreasonable
[3:08] time unreasonable and unnecessary sound
[3:10] production is like prohibited so my
[3:12] recommendation is adjusting that to 9:00
[3:14] p.m. to 9:00
[3:16] a.m. secondly it is adjusting the
[3:19] penalties so penalties for offenses
[3:21] currently the initial request is the
[3:25] fine should not be anything higher than
[3:27] $250 my recommendation is is adjusting
[3:30] first offenses to
[3:31] $500 second violations to
[3:34] $1,000 and then third violations
[3:36] allowing the city court judge to
[3:38] exercise their discretion um not to
[3:41] exceed
[3:42] $2,000 and then we can get more into
[3:44] like the understanding of like my
[3:46] reasoning for that and then finally
[3:48] there is a
[3:50] section in the city code that uh in the
[3:54] same section J bullet one that last
[3:57] paragraph it highlights to unreasonable
[4:00] or unnecessary noise at any time except
[4:02] for activities open to the public or to
[4:05] the public benefit for which permission
[4:07] has been granted by the city enity I
[4:09] think that opens the door for us to have
[4:12] a permanent style approach so we are not
[4:14] just saying no to people having
[4:16] unnecessary or excessive noise we are
[4:19] saying within a certain confined
[4:21] parameters and then that is something
[4:23] that we can create collectively as a
[4:25] council so after giving my
[4:27] recommendations I would like to turn the
[4:29] over to uh law enforcement department
[4:32] and then following by the legal
[4:33] department just to how noise complaints
[4:36] are addressed currently and then if you
[4:38] have any recommendations right now well
[4:40] Mr chairman if I be allowed
[4:44] to you the code
[4:48] uh I have your thought process and some
[4:52] of the things that you're putting
[4:56] for we look for compliance servic not
[4:59] like you want to go out and find people
[5:01] you want to arrest people you want
[5:03] people to be able to have a good time
[5:05] enjoy their
[5:07] property both the quiet perspective and
[5:10] if you have music or something that's
[5:14] going
[5:16] on we follow up on every call that comes
[5:20] in to dispatch people will say no nobody
[5:25] responded unfortunately it's not
[5:27] necessarily as quick as people would
[5:29] like
[5:30] it's a priority system that is used for
[5:33] the calls coming in so they're evaluated
[5:35] in terms of imediate danger to life or
[5:39] property those who assigned Priority One
[5:43] status and they take PR over anything
[5:46] else priority two and noise complaints
[5:49] are listed as priority three so it's
[5:53] unfortunate
[5:54] that uh the priority three calls are not
[5:59] followed
[6:00] up and in this timely manner as people
[6:04] would like whether have we sitting here
[6:06] in this tand staff or the neighbors but
[6:11] at the Staffing
[6:13] levels uh that's the reality of our
[6:16] ability to do the respond St and I'm not
[6:20] positioned to ask that we increase the
[6:23] police staff or other staff
[6:25] to deal with noise complaints at this
[6:28] point
[6:31] where get how do you get common sense
[6:34] and people to act in an appropriate
[6:37] manner that is sensitive to the concerns
[6:41] and desires of their neighbors or the
[6:44] neighborhood
[6:47] and so we
[6:49] do show up ask people to turn stuff down
[6:52] I've been out calls
[6:56] where you will have music blasting these
[6:59] last turn it down they turn it down 15
[7:02] minutes later Call's coming back in the
[7:05] same that people have turn the noise up
[7:08] uh the sound up
[7:11] and how do
[7:13] you might have a key to this Mr Williams
[7:16] if you can legislate Common Sense you'll
[7:18] be a hero here uh but it's to get that
[7:21] level of uh
[7:23] compliance with it so with that I
[7:26] appreciate the discussion the dialogue
[7:28] and I know what you like to address you
[7:31] add their perspective to it
[7:35] AC uh
[7:37] so when uh reading over the uh city
[7:40] ordinance on the noise violation section
[7:43] and we talked about the 11:00 p.m. to
[7:45] 6:00 a.m. window um we also go by goet
[7:49] point B where
[7:53] um in such a manner as to create noise
[7:56] that can be heard 50 feet from such
[7:57] device and I know in this section
[8:00] kind of refers to Motor Vehicles on a
[8:02] public Highway and boat in public Waters
[8:04] but also by a person on public or
[8:06] private property so we utilize section B
[8:11] to enforce this noise ordinance 24 hours
[8:14] a day not only just in that uh window of
[8:17] time that's described in in section a
[8:21] um
[8:23] regardless uh as the mayor stated a lot
[8:25] of the times we get these calls and due
[8:28] to our staffing level and and call
[8:30] volume it may take us a lot longer to
[8:34] arrive to deal with the situation to a
[8:36] point where maybe the the source of the
[8:38] noise is no longer there um we do have
[8:42] the
[8:43] ability If Video evidence or some other
[8:48] type of
[8:50] uh evidence that the noise was occurring
[8:53] and that it was unreasonable to file for
[8:56] a warrant um and deal with it that way
[9:00] but generally the the noise has to be at
[9:03] a an unreasonable level while the police
[9:06] officers are there to observe it to
[9:09] follow through with um you know the any
[9:13] type of disciplinary action that would
[9:14] come from this um how however in certain
[9:19] circumstances we can file um charges for
[9:24] evidence that we have that supports
[9:25] those charges um that we didn't
[9:28] personally Witness at the time of of the
[9:30] event um there have been situations
[9:34] where as the mayor stated where police
[9:37] officer arrives gives a courtesy warning
[9:41] for them to turn the music down and
[9:43] oftentimes that suffices and people do
[9:47] uh comply with those
[9:49] orders there are a lot of times where
[9:51] they comply in our presence and then
[9:53] shortly after we leave they they turn
[9:55] the music back up um we have gone
[9:59] through and created I wouldn't say a
[10:03] database but there are uh addresses that
[10:06] have been Chic offenders of this
[10:08] ordinance that it has
[10:11] been a message given to to all platoon
[10:15] that if you're responding to these
[10:16] addresses for an issue along these lines
[10:19] that they are not to be given you know
[10:22] zero tolerance for those addresses
[10:23] because they are chronic offenders of
[10:26] this particular uh section um and that
[10:30] currently any kind of um warnings or um
[10:37] discretion that's been given to them in
[10:39] the past has not been taken with respect
[10:42] so um we're trying to to cut off issues
[10:46] where one officer arrives gives a
[10:50] courtesy uh warning to turn the music
[10:52] down then then the issue happens again
[10:55] and you have a different officer who
[10:56] arrives and they didn't realize that the
[10:58] first officer had just given that
[10:59] warning and so now they're giving a
[11:01] warning how many times can a different
[11:03] officer arrive to the same place and
[11:04] give a warning and what's the best way
[11:06] of making sure that everybody is aware
[11:09] uh that warning has been given um we do
[11:12] have systems in place that should be
[11:15] followed where you make notes in the
[11:18] call and it kind of goes under the
[11:19] premise history what we call it in our RMS system so we encourage officers
[11:24] to check premise history before
[11:27] responding to these calls so they can
[11:28] see if warning has been given and when
[11:30] was the last one um or if if the premise
[11:35] is one of the ones that we spoke about
[11:37] that's a chronic offender and that we
[11:39] don't uh they have zero tolerance um
[11:42] directive for for that
[11:45] address beyond that if an officer
[11:48] responds to these calls and sees that
[11:51] the noise ordinance is being
[11:55] violated at that point like you said
[11:58] they there are uh different penalties
[12:00] for each offense you know up to a third
[12:03] offense where I think that was where it
[12:05] maxes out um there is the ability of the
[12:08] officer to remove the source of the
[12:11] noise as well and I'm not sure that it's
[12:14] exactly clear on if we could do that
[12:16] right off the bat on the very first one
[12:18] or if we have to wait until the third um
[12:20] but there are situations where know you
[12:24] have uh somebody was speaking to me
[12:27] earlier today about a Dodge Ram pickup
[12:30] truck that had
[12:32] $60,000 worth
[12:34] of subwoofers and speakers that took up
[12:37] the entire back of the truck bed with a
[12:40] hydraulic lift that makes it stand
[12:43] straight up um you know in that
[12:47] situation I were able to take the whole
[12:49] vehicle and hold it until trial you know
[12:52] create a hardship for that person but
[12:54] it's also I don't know how you even play
[12:57] speakers that large
[12:59] in a reasonable manner I don't know if
[13:01] it's possible um it's challenging um
[13:07] because people have so many different
[13:09] Avenues to reproduce this noise if you
[13:12] take one set of speakers away and a new
[13:15] set just pops up where the old one uh
[13:18] was um I know that we have confiscated
[13:21] systems in the past and you know there
[13:23] is an Avenue for them to retrieve their
[13:25] property after you know the case has
[13:27] been adjudicated or um the processes
[13:31] that they have to go through to to
[13:34] re take possession of their
[13:37] property um the other thing is when we
[13:41] do make arrest on these it's an
[13:42] appearance ticket it's not a custodial
[13:44] arrest so generally Cooperative people
[13:48] we will fill out and and this is a
[13:51] appearance ticket that we've been
[13:52] working on with um Mr Toro and John pal
[13:57] was was a part of the effort where it's
[13:59] a streamlined um appearance ticket
[14:02] process that kind of everything's on one
[14:05] form much like a it allows the officers
[14:08] to handle the call more efficiently than
[14:11] have to go back and be out of service
[14:14] for an extended period time filling out
[14:16] you know uh different informations and
[14:18] reports and triplicate whereas uh this
[14:21] one form can be submitted the only thing
[14:24] is that that person never leaves their
[14:26] home you know if they do if they're an
[14:28] uncooperative person they need to be
[14:29] exported to the police car to be given
[14:31] their U appearance ticket at the
[14:34] issuance of the appearance ticket
[14:36] they're released back to their home or
[14:38] to wherever they were taken
[14:40] from and basically they're free to go
[14:44] back right to doing what it was that got
[14:46] them in trouble in the first place
[14:48] should they choose to do that um so
[14:51] there's only so much that we can
[14:53] do uh at that point um so it it becomes
[14:57] frustrating when you have repeat
[14:59] offenders um I did
[15:02] some kind of quick uh I got some quick
[15:06] data from analysts and year to date
[15:09] there's only about 20 arrests for uh
[15:13] noise ordinance violations with you know
[15:17] some repeat offenders on here um and
[15:20] then there's a vast majority of the
[15:22] calls that come in that the dispositions
[15:26] for those are you know dark and quiet
[15:28] gone on arrival
[15:29] unfounded and so I think a lot of this
[15:32] has to do with the periods of time where
[15:35] these calls are most likely to come in
[15:36] are also periods of time that are very
[15:38] busy for the police department and on
[15:40] days where the Staffing levels are not
[15:42] the best you know Friday nights Saturday
[15:44] nights that type of thing um and a lot
[15:48] of situations like today a large portion
[15:51] of our staffing is tied up on Odell
[15:53] Street uh with you know the barric
[15:56] subject that they have but still not
[15:58] really resolved at this point so you
[16:02] know much to what the mayor was stating
[16:06] should a noise ordinance violation come
[16:08] in to the call center you know during a
[16:11] day like today the ability for us to
[16:13] respond there in a time of manner is
[16:16] prohibited by all of our resources being
[16:18] utilized for things that have been
[16:21] determined to be a higher
[16:22] priority um
[16:24] so this much I'm sure
[16:29] every council member gets complaints
[16:31] about this and you know between this and
[16:33] traffic this is probably what I've get
[16:35] the most complaints about to my office
[16:37] so if you know if there's any way that
[16:38] we can figure out as a group to better
[16:42] deal with this issue or you know gain
[16:44] compliance more effectively and I'd be
[16:47] happy to do it but at this point this is
[16:50] kind of what we do and and how it goes
[16:52] and and the challenges that we're facing
[16:56] and then if you wouldn't also mind just
[16:57] speaking about the um joing as First
[17:00] Responders that is definitely a
[17:02] component of those discussions that
[17:04] really catch my eye and kind of speaking
[17:06] to the whole points about the cost of
[17:09] having a law enforcement officer
[17:10] responds to the incident and also just
[17:12] speed at which they can respond so if we
[17:14] have any information about that so it is
[17:18] uh definitely something that we plan to
[17:20] utilize once the program is up and
[17:22] running we actually started this week
[17:24] with uh reassigning a couple of our
[17:27] officers temporarily to kind of get the
[17:30] ball rolling on this and the U the
[17:33] actual responder drones are expected to
[17:36] arrive early in the beginning of
[17:39] 25 uh or late 24 however we do have
[17:43] drones currently that don't have the
[17:45] capabilities of these drones but we're
[17:47] going to be starting to apply some first
[17:49] responder type missions within the next
[17:52] few weeks and what
[17:55] we will have the ability to do once this
[17:58] program up and running provided that
[18:00] meets all the legal
[18:02] requirements um which I'm sure we'll
[18:04] discuss with the law Department before
[18:06] taking this action but as I stated if uh
[18:10] evidentiary you know something of
[18:11] evidentiary value that can kind of
[18:15] um meet what we need to file charges
[18:19] even if we can't be there in person we
[18:21] might be able to get that evidence with
[18:23] the drones and have an officer review
[18:26] the footage or maybe the Drone pilot
[18:27] review the footage then initiate a
[18:30] warrant packet for the problem property
[18:34] um I'm not sure what additional
[18:37] challenges that might face at this point
[18:39] as far as being able to determine who's
[18:42] responsible for the music you know would
[18:43] you be able to do that with the Drone if
[18:46] it's
[18:47] outside there's a possibility we can get
[18:49] the footage of where the music is coming
[18:51] from and you know maybe um for repeat
[18:55] offenders or chronic offenders we would
[18:57] know that this address
[18:59] I see the person who's been responsible
[19:01] for it before this is the same system
[19:03] that's playing music this is the same
[19:05] person who's out there uh playing the
[19:07] music you know sometimes it'll be very
[19:09] cut and dry who's responsible yeah you
[19:12] know there may come a time where it
[19:14] might be difficult just from the footage
[19:16] alone and a little bit further uh
[19:19] investigation may need to happen to um
[19:22] determine exactly who's at fault and who
[19:24] can be f for this and then you get to a
[19:27] level of how much effort do we want want
[19:28] to put into a
[19:31] violation when we have you know the
[19:35] priority uh situations that would
[19:38] require more manpower I do believe
[19:41] though that the Drone as a first
[19:42] responder is a tool that we're going to
[19:44] be able to utilize to assist with this
[19:47] issue and I I think it will be effective
[19:51] I just don't want
[19:53] to I want to be cautiously optimistic
[19:56] about it I I don't want to say that it's
[19:57] going to be the Magic Bullet
[20:00] that stops all of this um because there will still be challenges and it
[20:05] will be you know something that can cure
[20:08] it all but I I think it is going to be a
[20:11] very effective tool once it's up and run
[20:14] thank you any questions or comments
[20:16] before turning over to Mr R Mr T so in
[20:20] terms of the um arrests um that have
[20:23] been made um I was wondering about the
[20:26] um the financial penalties um um and to
[20:29] what extent those get paid um you know
[20:33] or whether you know folks just don't pay
[20:36] them and then what happens you know that
[20:38] type of thing
[20:40] um I would not have much information on
[20:46] the follow through with the people
[20:49] paying the fines that they've been given
[20:52] I can definitely get that I don't know
[20:54] if maybe the law department has better
[20:56] information on that um um but as as far
[21:00] as you know my understanding of the way
[21:03] things work is if somebody's given a
[21:05] penalty by a judge and they don't follow
[21:07] through with that then eventually there
[21:09] will be bench warrants or um things that
[21:14] would come into place that would make
[21:17] them responsible for those things
[21:19] because I I think just ignoring it and
[21:21] not doing it once something is
[21:24] adjudicated it's not yeah that they're
[21:27] going to have to follow through one way
[21:29] or the
[21:29] other so uh we
[21:33] typically we try to request a report
[21:37] that the fine need paid at the time of
[21:40] sentencing so that we don't have to
[21:43] chase people for money um unfortunately
[21:48] we don't have control uh the judge many
[21:51] times give uh people time to pay so uh
[21:56] i' have to
[21:58] records to see how much we've collected
[22:02] in fines um based on what was uh we were
[22:06] sentenced to but a lot of people in a
[22:10] lot of cases we do get the money the
[22:13] same
[22:14] day sometimes people are given to and
[22:17] that's not as easy for us to
[22:19] track thank you and I will say uh based
[22:23] on and I'm sure everybody here's aware
[22:25] but based on the ordinance uh
[22:29] in those situations where we discuss you
[22:31] know
[22:32] giving even whether it's an arrest or a
[22:35] warning and then the music goes on 15
[22:38] minutes later we show back up um if it's
[22:42] a half an hour after we've given that
[22:44] advisement or made that arrest it counts
[22:46] as a new uh incident
[22:49] so twice in the same night as long as
[22:52] it's a half an hour apart counts as the
[22:54] second violation so the fees for that
[22:57] would go in line the second and third as
[23:01] it as it
[23:03] continues any other questions coms you
[23:06] mentioned arrest so when the officer
[23:08] shows up the resident is there
[23:09] physically arrest people are you for to
[23:12] pay ticket right so it's it's a it's not
[23:15] a custodial arrest so it would be an
[23:17] appearance ticket you know there have
[23:19] been situations where somebody gets
[23:21] escorted to the police car and fell the
[23:23] paperwork but uh as far as you know
[23:26] putting them in handcuffs and bringing
[23:27] them down to the station
[23:29] that doesn't Happ for
[23:34] this is there a process where the
[23:36] individual that files the complaint is
[23:38] notified with the action the action
[23:41] taken uh so the complaintant being made
[23:44] aware so there are um one of the
[23:48] questions that the dispatchers usually
[23:50] ask is would you like the police to
[23:52] contact you there there are times where
[23:55] we will arrive unfortunately the music
[23:58] or the the source of the loud noise is
[23:59] no longer there but you know the person
[24:01] who called it in does want to speak with
[24:03] an officer so they'll get out of the car
[24:05] they'll go in and and speak with the
[24:06] complainant and then that person can you
[24:09] know in their own words explain directly
[24:11] to the officer what the the issue is um
[24:14] and there are times where it's late at
[24:17] night they're already having a hard time
[24:19] sleeping so they don't want to be
[24:21] bothered to get out of the bed any more
[24:23] than they've already been bothered by
[24:24] the noise so they prefer that the issue
[24:27] just be dealt with and they don't want
[24:28] to have anything more to do with it um
[24:31] for those situations
[24:34] there I don't we don't make a a call or
[24:39] you know a notification that the the
[24:41] problem's been solved Mr uh thank you
[24:44] very much it sounds like you have a
[24:45] handle on everything the department and
[24:47] handling it with complete efficiency at
[24:49] this point um trying to right um you
[24:52] know when we make the phone call which I
[24:54] make multiple times a year you know um
[24:58] for for in my neighborhood again you
[25:02] wait sometimes you know the police
[25:03] happen to show up right away and sitting
[25:05] on the front porch waiting or just a
[25:06] little talk or something but um so at
[25:09] least happy to to know that things are
[25:11] being addressed as efficiently as they
[25:13] are sometimes there's a time constraint
[25:16] but thank you very much so thank
[25:20] you so in terms of the number of calls
[25:23] like say for instance there's a party so
[25:25] you know maybe down street calls next
[25:26] door Etc do you have um specific say we
[25:30] receive this number of calls the same
[25:33] regard the same incident in that case we
[25:35] then take away their equipment or is or shut down the
[25:42] party
[25:43] so as far as shutting down parties
[25:47] go
[25:49] um people are allowed to have parties in
[25:52] their private residences you know to an
[25:55] extent obviously parties that your ad
[25:58] iing and charging for a little bit
[26:00] different um the after hours parties
[26:03] that have been kind of plaguing our our
[26:05] city for some time now um we've had a
[26:09] lot of uh religious ceremonies that get
[26:12] called in because sometimes they're
[26:13] pretty loud especially with certain
[26:14] cultures and and wedding
[26:17] celebrations
[26:19] um in those situations we try to
[26:21] discreetly make advisements that we
[26:24] understand this is a religious ceremony
[26:26] but it is violating the noise ordinance
[26:28] we don't want to disrupt what's going on
[26:30] here but can you please turn it down and
[26:31] more than often than not they they
[26:33] comply with those um as far
[26:38] as based
[26:40] on when there are multiple calls for the
[26:44] same problem coming from different
[26:46] people it kind of indicates to us that
[26:50] it kind of increases the legitimacy we
[26:52] understand that you know this this must
[26:54] really be bothering a lot of people when
[26:57] we're getting multiple calls from
[26:58] different people about the same problem
[27:01] um but it doesn't necessarily affect the
[27:04] way that we respond to it even one call
[27:07] as long as we show up and it meets that
[27:08] criteria we're going to handle the call
[27:11] uh the way that it should hopefully
[27:14] it'll be handled the way that it should
[27:16] be handled by you know if you show up
[27:18] and it's it's very a severe violation of
[27:21] the ordinance then their reaction as
[27:25] officers are probably going to be more
[27:26] severe in that they're more to take away
[27:30] the source of the noise on the First
[27:33] Response if it's so
[27:37] unreasonable that they don't deserve a
[27:40] warrant now if if we show up and it's
[27:44] somebody who it's borderline
[27:47] unreasonable then we're probably not
[27:49] going to take their uh the source of the noise away on the first um go around
[27:56] so there isn't like uh if we get called
[27:59] three times than this or four people
[28:01] call than this it only takes one but
[28:03] it's for the officers to determine when
[28:05] they get there what's the level of
[28:07] reasonableness of this you know how
[28:09] unreasonable is it is how egregious is
[28:12] the call and I think a lot of times if
[28:14] it's and a lot of this I'm kind of
[28:16] speaking from my own personal experience
[28:18] where you know the time that I spent as
[28:19] a patrol officer responding to calls
[28:22] like
[28:23] this personally if I got there and you
[28:26] know um I I recall one instance it was
[28:29] on Crane and
[28:32] Orchard uh I remember I was Midnight's I
[28:35] hadn't even received a call for it yet
[28:37] but I was driving around the windows
[28:38] were down and I could hear very very
[28:41] loud music coming from a large apartment
[28:42] building that was right across from um
[28:45] original pizza and I saw an old elderly
[28:48] woman on like the third floor kind of
[28:51] looking out her window with her hands
[28:52] like this and I could tell that the
[28:54] music was coming from above so I was
[28:56] like I don't need a call for this that's
[28:59] enough for me so I went in there I found
[29:01] the source of the
[29:02] music gave them an advisement to turn it
[29:05] down I got halfway down the stairs I
[29:07] could hear the music already again so I
[29:09] turned right around before I even left
[29:10] the house and I took the power cord to
[29:13] their stereo and issued a an appearance
[29:17] ticket to the to the Violator so that
[29:21] was the way I chose to deal with
[29:22] removing the source of the music and it
[29:24] seemed to work for that that night um
[29:27] but but
[29:29] again I feel like the removal of the
[29:32] source of the music is based on the
[29:35] ordinance it's discretionary and
[29:37] sometimes it's difficult when you have
[29:40] speakers that are as big as that window
[29:42] or you know things that are not
[29:44] necessarily you don't have the ability
[29:45] to take them and put them in the police
[29:47] car um so I don't know if I answered
[29:51] your question
[29:53] uh there's anything more that you want
[29:55] me to elaborate that I didn't no that I just kind of trying to figure out
[30:00] what is what the what you what are the
[30:02] guidelines like I've called I've had
[30:04] five calls from four different people
[30:06] and what are we going to do about I mean
[30:08] that's that's definitely taken into
[30:09] consideration as well as how severely
[30:12] they're violating the the and how do you
[30:16] measure the sound like you heard that
[30:17] you just talked about how you heard it
[30:18] from the window isn't there you have
[30:21] some actual instrument that measures
[30:23] sound that that people can't argue with
[30:24] like right you know what to me may not
[30:27] be loud to you so it in the ordinance it
[30:29] talks about being 50 ft away from where
[30:33] the source of the music is so I mean
[30:35] we're trained at estimating speed and
[30:38] distance and that type of thing so it's pretty safe to say you know when
[30:41] you're 50 feet away from something and
[30:43] you can hear it but as far as a a
[30:45] decibel measuring device we don't have
[30:49] that um I know that they exist and same
[30:53] you know similar to like a window 10
[30:54] measuring device um and I want to say
[31:01] those I mean they they would be
[31:03] applicable I just don't know how
[31:05] necessary they are because it it's it's
[31:07] probably an
[31:08] expense that would just kind of confirm
[31:11] how loud it is but the fact is as long
[31:14] as you're 50 ft from it and you can hear
[31:15] it and it's bothering someone you you're
[31:18] checking all the boxes you need to check
[31:20] right there I I don't believe you know
[31:23] being able to say that it was exactly
[31:24] this decb you know whether it was you
[31:27] know one decel over what would be deemed
[31:30] as reasonable or 50 um and I don't even
[31:35] know in terms of decb if that's even a
[31:37] reasonable thing to say but um common
[31:41] sense and and what a reasonable person
[31:44] would would deem to be um too loud I
[31:48] think it's it's will
[31:51] be are there um like civil Avenues if a
[31:56] neighbor
[31:58] so you their neighbor has been ticketed
[32:01] three four times and they've got F can
[32:04] that complaint and take the neighbor to
[32:07] Cil court on their own is that an option
[32:09] I don't know you know kind of putting it
[32:11] in their hands that they can do
[32:13] something
[32:15] themselves
[32:16] I'll address
[32:20] that some sometime ago Council me the
[32:25] pressor pass section 183
[32:29] talking about
[32:30] 182 the
[32:33] new which U we had just started for the
[32:37] first time ever to
[32:41] force and uh we had our first hearing we
[32:44] closed
[32:45] down that
[32:48] was all sorts of violation forget
[32:51] through the hearing of mayor's
[32:53] appointment as the heing officer and 12
[32:57] points in 12 months is considered a
[33:00] nuisance this property had about 600
[33:03] points and but three points uh are since
[33:09] we're focusing on noise uh violation of
[33:13] section
[33:14] 182 is three points under Section
[33:18] 183 so that when you get in 12 points in
[33:22] 12 months you had four violations in a
[33:25] year then you would have uh there is a
[33:29] civil procedure to take care of this
[33:33] which we we're now starting to
[33:35] enforce
[33:37] [Music]
[33:42] which but uh so we're starting to
[33:45] enforce that it hadn't been enforced by
[33:47] prior Corporation Council until vaccine
[33:49] came in and U so kind of wearing two
[33:54] hats
[33:56] here we are now starting to uh enforce
[33:59] that if you were looking for amendments
[34:04] to certain parts of the city code maybe
[34:08] you want to increase the point value
[34:11] from 3 to four or something like that in
[34:14] section 183 and then there be three you
[34:17] know increase it there'll be three calls
[34:19] in a year and then we can take the that
[34:24] se so calls one yeah well
[34:29] that's we sort of ties in with what the
[34:32] chief was saying
[34:35] that you know if you go away for a half
[34:37] hour and you have to come back have to
[34:39] back that's another incident you already
[34:40] have six points yeah in one night and
[34:44] that might uh have a chilling effect on
[34:49] the people who turn it up when they
[34:51] leave and if I can add one more one more
[34:54] thing though I think is good for the
[34:58] drones you know going back
[35:02] to court there might be some due process
[35:05] arguments about the drones and and
[35:08] individual liability but certainly from the air you can tell whether the
[35:13] property problem and that's what the new
[35:16] it's about the property the property
[35:18] continues to be a problem and so the
[35:21] drones I think would also be a good tool
[35:24] in terms of enforcing resour
[35:28] um so if I can add I think the mayor was
[35:31] like is there a magic ball or an answer
[35:34] and I think trying to hedge our bets if
[35:36] we look at this as a three-prong
[35:37] approach I think you have the city code
[35:41] and I speaking on the news I think I
[35:43] misspoke and said it hasn't been
[35:44] adjusted or amended in three decades is
[35:47] not the case it's almost two decades but
[35:49] still that's a long amount of time and
[35:51] if we look at what has changed since 20
[35:55] 2006 a lot has think we evaluate how to
[35:59] adjust our enforcement to incorporate
[36:00] other Technologies and making sure the
[36:02] legalities of how they're uh
[36:05] adjudicating these types of cases I
[36:07] think that improves the conditions for a
[36:09] lot of our residents who in some
[36:10] instances feel like they are uh helpless
[36:14] where it is a beautiful day out my
[36:16] windows are open and now I have to
[36:18] inconvenience myself further to have a
[36:21] slightly better day and and the
[36:23] frustration is what do I do and I'm glad
[36:26] Mr Terell highlighted that it is not at
[36:29] the lack of consideration from the
[36:30] police department it truly is not and on
[36:32] my uh um right alongs I've seen the
[36:36] calls come in and although you want to
[36:38] respond to all them you physically
[36:39] cannot uh so unfortunately I think it
[36:42] has to be an understanding from the
[36:43] community of you can only be in bu many
[36:45] places at once but I think if the
[36:47] perception from our residents is if I
[36:49] call nothing happens because it keeps
[36:51] happening day in and day out and if also
[36:53] the perception is from these violators I
[36:55] use that lightly because if some people
[36:57] aren aware of the code and they just
[36:58] think it's a free-for all I can put
[37:00] $60,000 worth of equipment in my car I
[37:03] think starting somewhere is important
[37:07] um but I wanted to give Mr an
[37:09] opportunity yes going back to the point
[37:12] system I can recall that we did actually
[37:15] amend that to kind of Target the
[37:18] convenience stores in terms of the point
[37:20] systems so you're mentioning point
[37:22] system I think if I can recall a couple
[37:25] years we had um Institute that that just
[37:28] because of the the very problem we
[37:31] having with these convenience stores and
[37:32] how do we address it over a period of
[37:34] time suggestion to us and basally
[37:38] recommendation to ex the F system so I
[37:42] not the F
[37:43] system that was passed couple years ago
[37:46] can carry over way into residential we
[37:48] may want to amend that to include um yes
[37:54] the right cross section of U the
[37:56] violation who needed convenience stores
[37:59] or any Del or sort of things like that we did at that point system
[38:03] actually that is true it was never we
[38:06] never get a chance to kind of enforce it
[38:09] there were so many excuses oh didn't get
[38:12] approved okay it was approved but never
[38:15] got enforced right from the Law
[38:17] Department commissioner is correct about
[38:19] that
[38:23] [Music]
[38:28] the the
[38:32] uh a private residence could
[38:37] be when we would have we would have to
[38:40] pull that resolution it was primarily
[38:42] targeted towards the convenient delis to
[38:46] kind of bring them in compliance so
[38:47] whenever they come back apply for the
[38:51] renewal the mayor Police Department
[38:54] everybody will sit there and says okay
[38:55] you had X violation
[38:58] and if they if they was actually
[38:59] enforcing it and if they met that
[39:04] 12.65 automatically be closed within
[39:07] that given year but unfortunately we
[39:11] never have the
[39:12] enforcement
[39:14] glad
[39:16] be we're doing
[39:18] it and
[39:20] if if it is limited to convenience
[39:24] sources and sure you could change it to
[39:28] noise coming from anywhere right so when
[39:31] we that we did talk about the the point
[39:34] syst but the commission is correct there
[39:36] is in the nuisance part of the code
[39:38] nuisance you can VI people with
[39:41] individual residents can get violation
[39:43] based on the nuisance um we um code but
[39:47] we were targeting the convenience stores
[39:49] and we trying to focus on that because
[39:51] then we did have so many problems but
[39:53] that part the um C is already there for
[39:55] individual so maybe need to tighten up
[39:58] to you know improve it um you know amend
[40:01] whatever way necessary
[40:04] yes I I do like that idea in in the next
[40:08] 183 of bringing it from four to you know
[40:11] different point levels for residents um
[40:14] and somewhere in here and and of course
[40:16] I forgot my glasses today so the
[40:18] landlords are
[40:23] responsible the it's somewhere in here
[40:26] it's the landlords yeah so it it gives
[40:28] the exception of
[40:30] a somebody who's leasing the property
[40:33] from the landlord so they the landlord
[40:35] can't be held responsible
[40:38] for really no they can be I think so I
[40:42] thought identified that P it's p
[40:48] P2 section three and it is category
[40:52] section no
[40:54] 1824 and it's within that initial
[40:56] paragraph says for the purposes of this
[40:58] chapter it shall be presumed that the
[41:00] owner tenant person or persons in
[41:02] possession or control and the occupant
[41:05] of the particular premises or jointly or
[41:08] severely sever a weird word so I think it it
[41:14] identifies that whether you're directly
[41:15] or indirectly you're responsible for
[41:18] that reproduction of noise to some
[41:20] extent and then my question was going to
[41:22] be
[41:23] follow was you mentioned earlier AC no
[41:27] about people having video evidence that
[41:30] they taking themselves and one
[41:31] cautioning is people kind of going out
[41:33] getting 4K cameras and getting their
[41:35] ghilly suits like going to extreme but
[41:39] also I want to make sure we're
[41:40] documenting what is necessary to proceed
[41:43] forward is that sufficient enough to
[41:45] meet that threshold and you know there
[41:49] can be issues where how do we prove that
[41:54] this video is taken on this date at this
[41:56] time at this location
[41:58] um which I'm sure there are ways but
[42:02] that maybe the Law Department might
[42:06] want most most of these don't go to
[42:10] trial most people
[42:12] ple or a
[42:15] hearing date following that so it's we
[42:19] prepare Discovery um if we need to which
[42:23] would
[42:24] be pictures or videos If we have
[42:28] um but most of the time like I said we
[42:30] don't wind up getting to the point of
[42:32] having to go trial to prove it people
[42:34] generally take a lower fine to settle it
[42:39] rather than risk going to a
[42:41] trial and risking getting the mag and I
[42:45] think that's where I want to kind of
[42:47] focus on uh because I'd like for us to
[42:50] have these fines strictly adhere to to
[42:53] change the culture and narrative that
[42:55] this is something that we are focusing in on it especially if uh by
[43:00] the time we do address it it comes at
[43:02] extreme cost in time and
[43:06] responses so my question is around the
[43:08] fine and as asash is saying that when
[43:12] they go to court the judge has sort of
[43:15] some leg in what they can do they can we
[43:17] do so fine so is there a way that we
[43:20] that that hard and fast or do they
[43:22] always have the ability to um negotiate
[43:26] what a person can pay because um what
[43:29] happen sometimes people like I can
[43:30] afford that and I'm willing to pay that
[43:33] as opposed to I'll give you an example
[43:35] that happened there was somebody putting
[43:36] out their trash ear and so I roll down
[43:39] like you know it's too early to put out
[43:40] your trash like oh it's only $50 off
[43:43] like I can afford that in no big deal
[43:46] and so I was like really I was going up
[43:48] to
[43:49] 200 so um and I did hear that and so um
[43:55] you know I think in matters how impacts
[43:58] and financially off so once once it gets
[44:01] in front of a judge we absolutely have
[44:04] no control over it the judge then can
[44:06] say you know this can go from 12 from a
[44:09] th000 they can bring it down to
[44:11] $100 I mean the judge certainly has full
[44:14] control to do that but we generally go
[44:16] in and make an offer the judges
[44:19] typically follow what we agree to with
[44:23] the defendant so we'll uh conference
[44:28] with the defendant or we'll make the
[44:30] offer in open court um but so the
[44:33] maximum fine for the first defense is
[44:37] $250 um so in order
[44:42] to
[44:44] uh increase the likelihood that someone
[44:47] is going to settle typically we offer
[44:50] $150 time sometimes a high as 200 if
[44:54] there's something egregious about it if
[44:57] we were
[44:59] to uh go hard and fast with the maximum
[45:02] buy then there's not necessarily a
[45:04] reason for people to settle and so then
[45:06] we have the added resources of the city
[45:09] having to prosecute cases through
[45:11] trial um not knowing whether the extra
[45:15] $50 or $100 is really going to make a
[45:17] difference in how it hits someone's
[45:19] wallet so if if you want the fine for example the first violation to be
[45:24] hard and fast at $250
[45:27] then my recommendation would be to raise
[45:29] the fines generally so that we could
[45:32] offer $250 as a way to settle it rather
[45:37] than again there's a lot of resources
[45:39] that go into trying a
[45:41] case um and becomes is it worth it to
[45:45] the city uh to do that of course in some
[45:49] cases we have to but to do that on every
[45:51] single one because we want the maximum f
[45:54] um the only way to alleviate that raise
[45:57] the fine you want to collect $250 or we
[46:02] can offer $200 that's just $50 less but
[46:05] again the further away you go from the
[46:08] maximum fine the less likely someone's
[46:11] going to be to leave and to just agree
[46:14] to pay the fine rather than goes through
[46:15] the trial process where they may be
[46:17] found not
[46:18] guilty Patrick well that's why I mean um
[46:21] I I when you suggested the 500 the th000
[46:24] and the and the 2,000 I I I just felt
[46:27] like in in looking at this I felt like
[46:30] okay these were probably set so that
[46:32] there'd be more affordability for people
[46:34] to be able to pay the fine um so I here
[46:39] you know obviously you know that's that
[46:42] might be a stronger deterrent but I just
[46:43] wonder if it would at those levels mean
[46:47] that more and more people wouldn't pay
[46:49] the fine um and then we have to go
[46:51] through all the rest of the processes um
[46:54] I I I you know but I I hear why you're
[46:57] saying uh increase some I get that but
[47:01] um I just was worried that it would
[47:02] increase the workload on the other end
[47:04] of trying to pursue someone that may not
[47:07] be able to afford 500 or ,000 or $2,000
[47:11] but my response is why are we being
[47:13] convenient to violators and my hope is
[47:16] as you enforce this you do not live in a
[47:19] big city or it is big in some respects
[47:21] but it truly is not and I am under the
[47:23] perception of once it is starting to
[47:26] circulate through neighborhoods that the
[47:28] city of skty is pursuing the maximum
[47:31] penalties for these types of offenses I
[47:34] have to believe that individuals who are
[47:36] violating are going to take a second
[47:39] pause um or understand the severity of
[47:42] how we are evaluating these types of
[47:44] complaints moving forward because my
[47:46] caution is to what extent do we expect
[47:48] our residents to continue to be
[47:50] complicit and have we already lost
[47:52] residents from our city as we continue
[47:53] to revitalize our neighborhoods
[47:56] Revitalize downtown if we don't have the
[47:58] people here it's for not so I think that
[48:01] is more of a worry for me who is turning
[48:04] away from SCCY because of our inability
[48:06] to correct this not because we don't
[48:08] have the intent but just because we lack
[48:10] the execution and implementing this so I
[48:12] think we have to pick a
[48:15] [Music]
[48:17] path so for me when I look at the finds
[48:20] I don't see it as a way so they have the
[48:22] ability to pay to me I'm looking as a
[48:24] deter it's like don't make the noise
[48:29] and I wonder if when when leis offic go
[48:32] out they even have that discussion with
[48:34] people about that they even know Their
[48:36] fines exist for them you know if you
[48:39] continue to do this it's going to cost
[48:40] you we could find the city could find
[48:42] you finally $250 Etc are people aware
[48:46] because sometimes awareness makes a
[48:48] difference as well if they know
[48:49] eventually if this continues it's going
[48:52] to cost them money there are definitely
[48:55] circumstances where those conversations
[48:57] are had uh there are also circumstances
[49:00] where the conversations don't ever occur
[49:02] because the person's just looking at us
[49:04] through a door that they refuse to open
[49:06] um
[49:09] so I
[49:11] think um in a perfect world where we
[49:13] would be able to take somebody and and
[49:16] have a you know a conversation with them
[49:18] and explain to them you know why we're
[49:22] there the the problem with what's going
[49:25] on how to resolve it and what the
[49:27] penalties are and somebody being open
[49:29] and receptive to that conversation I
[49:32] think you know that would be great and I
[49:35] think you probably have more success but
[49:38] unfortunately all of our interactions
[49:40] don't end up going that way um some
[49:43] people are very combative and
[49:45] confrontational or under the influence
[49:47] of substances and not really in a
[49:50] position to really comprehend what what
[49:53] we're explaining to them but it it is is
[49:57] uh something that I will bring to my the
[50:02] patrol unit and explain that you know
[50:06] try your best to be very transparent
[50:10] about what
[50:12] the um penalties are for being found
[50:15] guilty of this especially for multiple
[50:17] offenses or repeat offenses and um you
[50:21] know I know that that is happening but
[50:24] I'll try to put more emphasis on
[50:27] um trying to do that as as much as
[50:31] possible I mean it's conceivable that we
[50:34] could just actually create just little
[50:36] small documental warning Sy say like
[50:39] here and for people when they no long
[50:42] need can just read through it and uh
[50:44] just so they have something that the
[50:46] documents that we were here and this is
[50:48] a concern and here's the um the possible
[50:51] outcom Contin we have done that for
[50:55] other things like informational handouts
[50:57] for you know this is what happens if
[50:59] you're the victim of a crime this is
[51:01] what happens when you know a detective
[51:03] is assigned to your case so you know
[51:05] that might be beneficial to to give a
[51:11] shot yeah I'm just going back to was
[51:14] mentioned moments ago in terms of video
[51:16] evidence it's a good thing but I don't
[51:18] think um we should encourage it to get
[51:20] people out there to go to video someone
[51:22] because it might put people danger but
[51:25] um can we do an affid statement and have
[51:28] them sub that in terms of video evidence
[51:32] and you just mentioned it can it can be
[51:33] dangerous because a person is
[51:34] intoxicated and you're going to video
[51:36] them so that you can get evidence for
[51:38] your case here you are on a premises and
[51:42] you know XYZ can happen in those
[51:45] situations that person would probably
[51:47] have to testify or have their name on
[51:51] the documentation so so I think that
[51:54] something we should encourage that for
[51:56] to give them an opportunity to say yes
[51:58] if you are there and you are the witness
[52:00] of it there's an opportunity for you to
[52:01] submit an
[52:02] affid to justify telling the police
[52:07] department um just um looking at this
[52:11] here and talking on the side of the
[52:12] commissioner I think we need to look at
[52:14] 182 and 183 chapter 183 because it's
[52:17] very important to look at 183 also
[52:19] because that's only the abatement is
[52:21] because there are certain things that we
[52:22] passed here a couple of years ago in
[52:24] terms of points that is relevant over to
[52:27] 183 that we need to address also because
[52:30] past revising 182 it would make any
[52:33] sense if we do not revise 183 so we need
[52:36] to broaden our schol at this point in
[52:39] time yeah I think actually um and we
[52:41] kind of touched on this at our at a
[52:43] previous meeting but even when we talk
[52:45] about the vehicle piece which I hope we
[52:48] will um that also will probably impact a
[52:51] different different ordinance as well in
[52:53] terms of traffic right I think sure um
[52:57] so that that would be there as well and
[53:00] there is I mean I guess I thought that
[53:02] 1827 was the how a citizen um makes a
[53:06] formal complaint Mr mudaron but I was
[53:10] wondering a question that I had was just
[53:13] um to the extent to which people might
[53:17] fear uh putting their name to something
[53:20] the retaliation I mean I know I have
[53:21] felt that myself even when I've called
[53:23] to make noise complaints and you know I
[53:25] get what your name and it's kind of like
[53:27] oh you know obviously I give them my
[53:29] name and my my address and such but
[53:31] there's always that you know I always
[53:33] say is the person going to know uh who
[53:36] it was and I I think that's why we take
[53:38] every effort to be the witness of the
[53:42] violation so that the initial caller is
[53:46] not even part of the proceedings it's
[53:50] the officer who personally observed the
[53:53] violation and um
[53:56] based it off of their
[53:59] college um going back to the finds I
[54:03] mean at this point I'm okay with with
[54:05] what's in there um you know again you're
[54:08] in your yard maybe having a a birthday
[54:11] party and you got neighbors who don't
[54:13] want to hear here it's tolerable to you
[54:15] so you know all of a sudden please show
[54:18] up at my door and be like you know turn
[54:20] it down
[54:25] there's
[54:55] e e
[56:29] about
[56:30] 2 that's good to
[56:32] know what we're identifying that what
[56:35] we're identifying in here and I think
[56:36] it's different if we have a community
[56:39] that's hesitant to put their name on
[56:41] these documents so you're not having
[56:42] them attach their name which is a huge
[56:45] component if the police department is
[56:47] unable to respond to every instant which
[56:49] we know they're not that's why I think
[56:51] it is crucial for the incidences that
[56:53] they do respond to for us to have a
[56:55] stronger approach and I pushed back and
[56:58] I out of fear of how think is going to
[57:02] respond to us if we remain uh slow or
[57:06] cautious to do anything different I just
[57:08] had an email and in one regard the
[57:11] resident says hey this is an issue I'm
[57:13] glad you're talking about it then the
[57:15] later half of the email he goes I don't
[57:16] even think you guys are going to really
[57:17] do anything and that is the expectation
[57:19] that I hear day in and day out it's why
[57:21] even bother I'm just going to suck this
[57:23] up and get through it and I I again I I
[57:27] don't think we're talking about the
[57:30] cocktail parties where you're
[57:31] celebrating a a birthday I think I'm
[57:35] talking I I know I'm talking about the
[57:37] Earth
[57:38] shattering window pounding vibrations
[57:42] and I think that is something that
[57:43] people can tell the difference on and if
[57:45] you're groping in those same arguments I wholeheartedly hope that the other
[57:50] members in our committee Public Safety
[57:52] Committee will at least will at least
[57:55] allow the public weigh in during public
[57:57] comment we choose to do something
[57:59] differently but I I urge the community
[58:01] to come out and give us your experiences
[58:04] give us your stories because that's
[58:05] what's going to be needed to ensure that
[58:07] what we're doing is with the right
[58:08] intent but I think staying the course
[58:11] that sends a poor message to the
[58:12] community and we have to do something
[58:14] different and the reason why I'm uh
[58:17] advocating for something as strong as
[58:19] this because without that without the
[58:21] drones without the law enforcement
[58:24] officers there's a there's a hug huge
[58:26] gap all Mr yes going back and as I had
[58:31] it marked last time we met to modify the
[58:33] section 1827 because there are many
[58:36] people there who will let who doesn't
[58:38] have a problem put their name on after
[58:41] so I would like to see that we put that
[58:43] in there and give them an opportunity
[58:45] whoever so desire there's an opportunity
[58:47] for you to make a statement and swore to
[58:49] it that yes you Witnesses and if the
[58:52] case was to go to trial they will show
[58:54] off and testify on that
[58:57] we can't just leave it blank and then
[58:58] we're not giving them opportunity
[59:00] because video evidence is one not a lot
[59:02] of people will do that and I don't
[59:03] encourage that safety reason but adding
[59:07] that into this section will help and yes
[59:09] you talk about um the shattering glasses
[59:13] this is why we need to look at the
[59:15] modified speaker because if we can
[59:17] address the modified speaker with a
[59:19] hydraulic lift putting this speak on top
[59:21] of these SUVs on the car and what we're
[59:24] doing here it just was time so that's
[59:27] why I would like to refer to Law
[59:31] Department how can we put something in
[59:33] place to to Target these modified
[59:36] speakers that they have these all
[59:38] hydraulic system in they car do we need
[59:41] to come up with something from the Law
[59:44] Department to kind of revise the city
[59:45] Charter to address that specifically
[59:48] because we have seen over the several
[59:51] months into the summer here a lot of
[59:53] those activities where they call it them
[59:55] car
[59:58] meet and their loud explosion with music
[1:00:01] and you know it's affecting the
[1:00:03] neighborhood that's the thing we need to
[1:00:05] address and at the same time this is
[1:00:06] going to be addressing these are these
[1:00:08] are residential but then we look at the
[1:00:10] car and driving down the street and
[1:00:12] shattering everybody's glass are shaking
[1:00:15] how
[1:00:16] be lot yeah I definitely I I really want
[1:00:20] to talk about the vehicles and I have to
[1:00:22] just say coincidentally I was on my walk
[1:00:24] this morning headed back towards my
[1:00:26] house and there was a vehicle and I you
[1:00:29] know had just finished you know going
[1:00:30] through all of this and there was a
[1:00:32] vehicle parked on you know I think I was
[1:00:34] on Keys uh on the side of the road
[1:00:37] glaring music out the out the window um
[1:00:41] just sitting in front of this house um
[1:00:43] and they just kept pumping it up higher
[1:00:45] and higher and higher um and I I
[1:00:47] actually the the person I walked with
[1:00:49] said don't like I because I literally
[1:00:51] wanted to go over and say Hey you know
[1:00:54] you you really and and you know my my
[1:00:56] walking partner said don't don't you
[1:00:57] dare go over there um uh in in case you
[1:01:01] know something happened but I think the
[1:01:03] car thing is really um important and
[1:01:05] Miss Porterfield brought up at our last
[1:01:07] meeting about the
[1:01:09] Mufflers um and the fact that people are
[1:01:11] um you know modifying Mufflers which is
[1:01:14] um in 1824 section B um and I wanted to
[1:01:19] bring up that you
[1:01:21] know I think also we might consider a
[1:01:24] penalty on you installers I mean I don't
[1:01:27] know if people are just installing them
[1:01:28] themselves or if there's actually places
[1:01:30] that we could um you know think that are
[1:01:33] this is this is happening at different
[1:01:36] Service uh places I I don't know I I I
[1:01:39] but I mean that to me I think they
[1:01:41] should be fined as well if there's if
[1:01:42] there's people that are actually
[1:01:44] installing these modified devices that
[1:01:46] we should issue some sort of penalty
[1:01:48] there as well my question ass is it
[1:01:52] legal I you're trying
[1:01:54] to I I don't want to be rude I just I
[1:01:57] had an obligation
[1:01:59] so so these modified things on the cars
[1:02:03] the musers the crazy the speakers all
[1:02:05] that are those legal I mean is there
[1:02:08] something some part of law that says you
[1:02:10] can't to that degree yeah there's a in
[1:02:13] the vehicle on traffic law there's an
[1:02:15] entire section that um covers
[1:02:18] modifications or or it's uh what we call
[1:02:21] equipment violations so there's a whole
[1:02:23] section with um legal tolerances for
[1:02:27] certain additions or modifications that
[1:02:29] are made to vehicles that go all the way
[1:02:31] from you know how high off the ground
[1:02:33] your license plate is supposed to be so
[1:02:36] it really gets into the Weeds on those
[1:02:39] types of modifications and um you know
[1:02:42] pertaining to the equipment on the
[1:02:44] vehicle thank yeah you're fine you don't
[1:02:47] need to answer this so um just and
[1:02:50] everyone knows see
[1:02:51] fix you're good and thank you very much
[1:02:55] have a good weekend
[1:02:56] yeah thank you for the opportunity thank
[1:02:58] you thank you um this connected pv's
[1:03:02] website I mean I'm on there frequently
[1:03:04] especially with the with the loud noises
[1:03:06] this white Audi that drives by my house
[1:03:09] and and Shakes the whole house
[1:03:10] constantly so of course I get license
[1:03:12] plates the other day in front of the
[1:03:14] funeral home there's a black Lexus I
[1:03:15] actually walked up and and told the
[1:03:17] gentleman to turn it down I mean it just
[1:03:19] shakes and it vibrates I take their
[1:03:21] license plate numbers and the make of
[1:03:22] the car and I turn it in on the SPD
[1:03:25] website um so they can be aware of
[1:03:27] what's out there and I encourage
[1:03:28] everyone to do that um on that website
[1:03:31] you can either put your name which which
[1:03:33] I always do or it can be anonymous so
[1:03:36] again just so that you know they can't
[1:03:38] be everywhere so they have an idea of
[1:03:39] what's going on so um and I I just want
[1:03:42] to say this is this is a huge issue with
[1:03:44] me as well so I'm not by U Mr Williams
[1:03:47] when I said I the fines I'm okay with
[1:03:48] the fines um I'm not not doing anything
[1:03:51] there's things that need to be done and
[1:03:53] again I don't even know people are
[1:03:55] realizing that there are finds for
[1:03:57] disturbances like this and as far as a
[1:03:59] cocktail party in the yard yeah you know
[1:04:02] when people's yards are butt each other
[1:04:05] um people are trying to have a a
[1:04:07] conversation at at their back table and
[1:04:10] the people behind them are playing not
[1:04:12] excessively loud music they've actually
[1:04:14] walked over asked the individuals to
[1:04:16] lower the music but the people don't so
[1:04:18] you don't have any choice but to reach
[1:04:20] out to the PD um so it's not you know
[1:04:23] there there are individuals that are
[1:04:25] being being annoyed not by R you know
[1:04:28] loud vibrating music just Everyday Music
[1:04:32] that's too loud in your neighborhood
[1:04:34] when you're trying to enjoy yourself out
[1:04:36] painting or weing or having a general
[1:04:38] conversation at your table so I just
[1:04:41] want to say that but I I just write
[1:04:43] things down put it out you know report
[1:04:45] whatever you see
[1:04:48] whenever I just want in in the in regard
[1:04:51] to vehicles I know the speakers does
[1:04:53] section 1824
[1:04:57] j2v address
[1:05:01] that
[1:05:03] well up I think it's a little bit
[1:05:05] too yeah 182 could you just repeat that
[1:05:09] sure
[1:05:11] 1824
[1:05:13] jound oh no yeah
[1:05:16] 2 yeah
[1:05:19] no no that is where we talk about the um
[1:05:23] mufflers and such great but I think it
[1:05:25] needs to be nail down a little bit more
[1:05:26] in terms of modifying I agree totally
[1:05:30] agree especially those those low rider
[1:05:32] cars that are right on
[1:05:35] the
[1:05:36] it's
[1:05:38] 1824 section
[1:05:41] B and B3 is um you know that's where I
[1:05:44] put my question about whether places
[1:05:45] that install it could also get
[1:05:48] fined but I don't know enough about it
[1:05:51] to know whether that's how these
[1:05:52] Mufflers are being modified yeah they
[1:05:55] take them some they do take or or they
[1:05:57] know how to
[1:05:58] do um my my only other comment I really
[1:06:01] wanted to make sure that we as we're
[1:06:03] considering all these things we because
[1:06:05] I get a lot of complaints about this
[1:06:07] construction so we have to make sure
[1:06:09] when we're looking at construction but
[1:06:10] construction people start work at 6:00
[1:06:11] in the morning what they do so you know
[1:06:14] how do we even address that because that
[1:06:17] gets them from 6:00 to 3:
[1:06:20] they
[1:06:22] I I also circled that but I think think
[1:06:26] that you know I mean people especially
[1:06:29] like when you think about the summer
[1:06:30] time um I think that folks are trying to
[1:06:32] get their work done um in terms of the
[1:06:35] early morning hours where it's less
[1:06:37] humid that kind of thing so I
[1:06:40] think I think that one's a tough one and
[1:06:43] people might just have to deal with um
[1:06:45] the construction noise but my response
[1:06:48] would be if you're dealing with it as
[1:06:49] you're driving to work if you're dealing
[1:06:51] with it as you're trying to go to sleep
[1:06:52] at night and if you're dealing with it
[1:06:54] because the roads are getting PID
[1:06:55] repaved again to to to what Avail so I
[1:06:58] think it's just a lot um I I know we
[1:07:01] weren't meant to kind of solve anything
[1:07:03] is more have a pre-c
[1:07:05] conversation community meeting which I I
[1:07:07] very much want to just identify I
[1:07:09] appreciate everyone coming out and being
[1:07:11] present for this discussion I also want
[1:07:13] to make sure we we capture the fact that
[1:07:16] Miss BR I want to make sure I we heard
[1:07:18] her statement of if we're going to
[1:07:20] continue with these efforts it has to be
[1:07:23] worth your time and that's that's what I
[1:07:24] hear or you don't have the ability to
[1:07:26] respond to every incident uh small small
[1:07:31] figures did I did not hear you correctly
[1:07:33] where trying to to not go to trial
[1:07:38] you're accepting pleas because to go to
[1:07:41] trial for every offense is not realistic
[1:07:43] especially if the fine ultimately is
[1:07:48] $250 yes I mean we it it doesn't really
[1:07:52] make sense to take every to trial
[1:07:57] um but if that's what the council wants
[1:08:01] we can do that I mean if we're here to
[1:08:04] do what you know we Implement what you
[1:08:07] legislate so if if the council wants to
[1:08:10] take everyone to trial we can but
[1:08:12] unfortunately that's going to stress the
[1:08:15] resources of the Law Department if we
[1:08:17] had unlimited resources that might be
[1:08:20] different but that's just not the
[1:08:21] reality of it we're a small But Mighty
[1:08:24] team um um but and and the thing is that
[1:08:28] taking everything to trial
[1:08:30] like if you if you take it to trial you
[1:08:33] have to prove the case and we may not
[1:08:37] always be able to because of certain
[1:08:40] circumstances and then we can do all
[1:08:42] that work and then we get zero so when
[1:08:45] we take please it kind of works for both
[1:08:49] sides because it's a deterrent to the
[1:08:53] offender because they've had to pay pay
[1:08:55] a fine and at the same time the Law
[1:08:59] Department doesn't have to put in all of
[1:09:02] the effort and resources to take it
[1:09:04] other way to trial but again if if the
[1:09:07] council were to decide that we would
[1:09:09] certainly take everyone to trial um my
[1:09:12] recommendation instead would be if you
[1:09:14] want $250 to be the standard that we
[1:09:17] request of the port or that we agreed to
[1:09:21] as a plea then raise the maximum fine so
[1:09:25] that we're
[1:09:26] giving them a quotequote break in order
[1:09:28] to plea barain and that's why people
[1:09:30] plea because they're taking a lesser um
[1:09:34] penalty in exchange for them also not
[1:09:38] having the risk of going to court and
[1:09:39] losing and having to pay the maximum
[1:09:41] fine it's all a negotiation when you go
[1:09:43] to court and before I opening up to
[1:09:46] questions again I just want to make
[1:09:47] clear my intent is not for the the Law
[1:09:49] Department to take everyone to trial I
[1:09:51] don't think we are truly going to have
[1:09:53] everyone documenting or submitting these
[1:09:55] complaints uh because in some regards
[1:09:58] that is a luxury that others have than
[1:10:00] not where I think if you're working two
[1:10:02] jobs or if you're riding bus and you
[1:10:03] don't have a computer I think you're
[1:10:05] limited in how you can submit a
[1:10:06] complaint um but what I will say is I
[1:10:09] think if we are at least responding to
[1:10:11] the egregious offenders I think yes we
[1:10:13] need to have a strong expectation to to
[1:10:17] see those through with no considerations
[1:10:20] for fleas because again I think that
[1:10:21] sets an undue presence where said it's a
[1:10:24] Miss porterfield's point
[1:10:26] what is
[1:10:27] $50 and if you know you're having this
[1:10:29] party and you want to enjoy yourself
[1:10:30] what's $200 to have a good
[1:10:33] time
[1:10:34] Mr let let me go back to the m during
[1:10:38] our discussion in terms of the fee
[1:10:41] increase proposed Fe increase which
[1:10:43] we're going to hear from Monday from the
[1:10:45] police department we touch on on the
[1:10:47] modify exhaust and the speaker and there
[1:10:49] is no legislation directly to kind of to
[1:10:52] modify speaker but to exhaust is a state
[1:10:55] La so what the police can only do is to
[1:10:57] enforce it and by enforcing they will um
[1:11:02] get a portion of that Revenue so I think
[1:11:04] that's what they going to be touching on
[1:11:05] Monday because we can as a local body
[1:11:08] Institute that it's a state l so they
[1:11:10] will try to see how they can put
[1:11:12] resource to enforce that like how they
[1:11:15] do the DWI check and you know all these
[1:11:17] different um seat Bel stuff uh to get
[1:11:21] that going so I don't know how we can
[1:11:23] address that on the local level but more
[1:11:26] PD enforcement and whenever they have
[1:11:29] the resources to the in terms of the fee
[1:11:32] I just want to to talk
[1:11:35] and um the garbage violation on the
[1:11:39] garbage garbage violation I mean yes we
[1:11:41] have seen a lot of violation there but
[1:11:44] then if you've go into the neighborhood
[1:11:46] two months ago and you were to go back
[1:11:48] today you will see drastic difference
[1:11:51] the garbage can is not on the front
[1:11:52] porch and garbage can is not on the
[1:11:54] front site walk they're all the way at
[1:11:56] the back of the house why because
[1:11:58] somebody received a violation that you
[1:12:00] were not putting your garbage was
[1:12:02] improperly stored so it's more of an
[1:12:04] enforcement to tell you that you are in
[1:12:06] violation of your garbage take it to the
[1:12:09] back of the house so I think for the
[1:12:11] approach here I don't have an issue
[1:12:13] either up or down with the fees but it's
[1:12:15] more of a enforcement and a stronger
[1:12:17] enforcement of the
[1:12:20] no and agree with uh the Law Department
[1:12:24] we have to also look at the result
[1:12:25] Source we cannot tie up all the
[1:12:27] department with a lot of um all these
[1:12:29] evidence and all sort of things to
[1:12:30] present the course so we give them an
[1:12:32] opportunity to so okay let's ble a case
[1:12:34] there is an opportunity for you to B
[1:12:36] guilty and pay fine and move on and at
[1:12:39] the same time also um we talked the last
[1:12:41] time about Pro because there are a lot
[1:12:44] of things that people are doing events
[1:12:45] special events and things of that for
[1:12:47] the you know the young kids we should
[1:12:50] work on a Institute a permit and that
[1:12:53] permit will carry a lot of information
[1:12:56] about the host so the PD instead of
[1:12:58] going down there they can from the pring
[1:13:01] they can call the hes and ask them to
[1:13:04] you know receive complaint you should
[1:13:06] turn your music down and you know if
[1:13:08] your perit expired you should take it
[1:13:11] off so I think um that is something that
[1:13:13] we should look at
[1:13:15] into
[1:13:17] and we talk about um Fireworks yes we we
[1:13:23] need to look at that also it's not
[1:13:24] because
[1:13:25] that is that is a noise usess also how
[1:13:28] do we do that this go back to the affid
[1:13:31] if the person can sign that affid I say
[1:13:33] yes my neighbor John light off you know
[1:13:36] a whole bunch of fireworks you know so
[1:13:39] be it show up the court and testify and
[1:13:42] those we have to give uh people that
[1:13:44] opportunity to to do that but I just
[1:13:46] want to go back to the modified speaker
[1:13:48] I am going to try to reach to
[1:13:50] commissioner and U our cooperation
[1:13:53] Council to see how we can draft
[1:13:54] something to add to this modifi this at
[1:13:56] the same time in terms of addressing
[1:13:58] these loud speak
[1:14:04] from well I was just looking at you know
[1:14:06] maybe the scale of mention the agre bi
[1:14:10] that rep what we have in code now
[1:14:14] sufficient
[1:14:16] enough that there you know obviously
[1:14:18] keing should probably be enough
[1:14:20] depending on
[1:14:21] numbers um but then you know there
[1:14:24] repeat fenders we want to look at the
[1:14:27] fines and increase them because there's
[1:14:30] a lot of
[1:14:31] resources the triy
[1:14:33] off so I think that's one way to take a
[1:14:36] look at it so we can address those
[1:14:38] repeat fenders in a way
[1:14:41] thater advoca for find I'm I'm yeah yeah
[1:14:46] yes or no
[1:14:49] yes I'm sorry Patrick before um well I
[1:14:53] just um the enforcement piece I mean I
[1:14:55] think as we go I mean I think we have to
[1:14:57] be realistic as well in terms of the
[1:14:59] numbers of people that we Staffing um so
[1:15:03] as we start to go into our budget
[1:15:05] discussions um you know we have to be
[1:15:07] aware of that because it also when I
[1:15:10] think about the traffic uh measures
[1:15:12] which we will also be addressing again
[1:15:14] on Monday um it's the same issue you
[1:15:17] know I think actually the mayor started
[1:15:20] our meeting by talking about the
[1:15:21] priorities and and our chief um brought
[1:15:25] it up as well because these are not
[1:15:27] going to be their High priorities so we
[1:15:29] either have to increase the Staffing um
[1:15:31] so that they can you know be able to uh
[1:15:34] allocate their their human resources in
[1:15:37] a way to help us enforce these things um
[1:15:40] because I think the enforcement is key
[1:15:43] um whether it's speeding uh the red
[1:15:45] lights I mean we had some when we first
[1:15:47] started these discussions about the
[1:15:48] traffic stuff um you know basically or
[1:15:52] if we you know on my ride along I mean
[1:15:54] you know they're like you know we can't
[1:15:56] necessarily go
[1:15:57] to after somebody that's going through a
[1:15:59] red light if we're going to get a call
[1:16:01] that you know something more serious is
[1:16:03] happening so how do we hand you know I
[1:16:06] think we have to I just want to bring
[1:16:08] that up that when we start our budget
[1:16:09] discussions I think this is going to be
[1:16:11] something that's we need to think about
[1:16:15] so um first of all I think we should
[1:16:16] increase the fees based on especially
[1:16:19] Bas on what our Corporation Council is
[1:16:20] saying because that gives them room to
[1:16:22] negotiate so raise it up a little bit
[1:16:25] and they can come to what we would
[1:16:27] really like to get so I think that's U
[1:16:29] part of it in terms of enforcement I
[1:16:31] agree however I'm not sure if we
[1:16:33] increase our staff if it's still going
[1:16:35] to get them to this place because still
[1:16:38] because it's sometimes it's
[1:16:40] da that you call noise violation they
[1:16:43] show like three days later with them so
[1:16:47] I'm not sure if increasing Staffing is
[1:16:49] going to address that in that way
[1:16:51] because what I believe will happen is
[1:16:53] then the higher priority calls still
[1:16:56] come first they still will so I'm not
[1:16:58] sure if that's necessarily the answer I think that part of it is that we're
[1:17:02] not people don't know but there's a f people we we have to we have
[1:17:07] to put the information you will get a f
[1:17:09] for I agree and then we have to I don't
[1:17:11] know if even it needs to be the police
[1:17:13] department do we even have a separate
[1:17:15] department just handle getting those
[1:17:17] finds out there I
[1:17:19] totally so um and that might be a little
[1:17:23] less expensive
[1:17:25] the police trying to do that I think we
[1:17:27] have to look at it at various ways which
[1:17:30] U which is most beneficial financially
[1:17:31] for the city and for people to say you
[1:17:34] know I'm not going to do that and then
[1:17:35] just basically respect your neighbors
[1:17:38] because that's really what it really BLS
[1:17:39] down to you just only are concerned
[1:17:41] about you and your party and you don't
[1:17:43] care that you know that over here I'm
[1:17:45] like I'm living with an elderly person
[1:17:48] or I have a dog or whatever the
[1:17:49] situation may be so I think that we we
[1:17:53] know I don't think we do enough to to
[1:17:54] inform the public about really what like
[1:17:58] the mayor talks about Behavior a lot but
[1:18:00] we don't really we talk about Behavior
[1:18:01] around the stable how often do we talk
[1:18:03] the behavior to our
[1:18:06] community Mr T oh and and I I agree with
[1:18:09] u Miss Porterfield Zero Tolerance I mean
[1:18:12] it needs to get out there it won't be
[1:18:13] tolerated even though we're not going to
[1:18:15] be able to enforce it right now the way
[1:18:17] we want to zero tolerance there's a fine
[1:18:20] um it might deter some and uh again as as AC anovich said I've been working
[1:18:27] for three years with the PD uh on this
[1:18:29] ticket which is which is almost ready so
[1:18:32] it's it's it's not going to be when when the police come and issue a
[1:18:36] ticket it's not going to be a 2hour kind
[1:18:39] of ticket it's going to be a quick
[1:18:42] appearance ticket it's going to be boom boom you know check off uh what
[1:18:46] your offenses are at that particular
[1:18:48] time and triplicate hand it off and
[1:18:50] you're out of there they sign it and
[1:18:52] you're gone so that will allow them to
[1:18:54] when they're driving down the street
[1:18:55] there's a muffler in front of them and
[1:18:57] they want to ticket it they don't want
[1:18:58] to pull them over right now you know why
[1:19:00] cuz they're on the way to another call
[1:19:01] you don't know what's in qu waiting to
[1:19:03] for them to to respond to so um all
[1:19:07] those things but again Zero Tolerance we
[1:19:09] can't we I I mean my neighborhood is
[1:19:12] just
[1:19:14] insane insane it's definitely Mr Man but
[1:19:18] I want to make a comment I've heard it
[1:19:20] multiple times like in our current
[1:19:21] political system and and in the military
[1:19:25] a non- enforceable law is a suggestion
[1:19:27] so I hear you guys highlight the the
[1:19:29] importance of enforcement you know we
[1:19:31] don't have it because uh they're Limited
[1:19:34] in what they can respond to and also
[1:19:35] we're Limited in how many officers we
[1:19:37] have so where is the give and and and we
[1:19:41] then say we're just going to say we have
[1:19:43] zero tolerance but KN in the backend we
[1:19:45] don't have the ability to respond to
[1:19:46] them I feel like we're again we're
[1:19:47] setting our community up for for
[1:19:49] disappointment
[1:19:50] [Music]
[1:19:51] Mr just wondering
[1:19:55] the in the fenses are acop options that
[1:19:59] you get some people might be their first
[1:20:01] time or you know they get ticketed there
[1:20:03] the fine and give you an acod which
[1:20:06] would be six month AC contemplation
[1:20:09] dismiss six months about any violations
[1:20:11] we can dismiss it excuse me please you
[1:20:14] know look at the different sentencing
[1:20:18] options well that would be more
[1:20:21] complaints coming in and how do you know
[1:20:24] got an acod this how do you know when I
[1:20:26] come is the judge going to be able to
[1:20:28] know that you get the world Department
[1:20:30] would say this is not first time Mar has
[1:20:34] been here three times before so no more
[1:20:36] ACS for her they must know that
[1:20:39] right the court would have a record of
[1:20:42] the ACs but if you're if
[1:20:45] you're that sounds different that's like
[1:20:52] reducing we yeah I was thinking where
[1:20:54] increase the sign but there are those
[1:20:58] that that you know I I screwed up and
[1:21:01] you know just as another option yeah we
[1:21:04] can always offer an AC I mean there's
[1:21:06] exceptions to every rule but generally
[1:21:09] like I said we typically offer
[1:21:12] 150
[1:21:14] um 200 because it's used in criminal
[1:21:17] matters all the time right but if the
[1:21:21] council
[1:21:23] wants it's just it's just a conversation that's all I am
[1:21:28] not in
[1:21:31] favor German contemplation of
[1:21:35] noise um so we have to bear in mind I
[1:21:40] can I can
[1:21:41] speak historically I'm being in the
[1:21:43] council every time we make changes to
[1:21:45] any city
[1:21:48] laws it it it creates or it asks for
[1:21:52] more resource to enforce it
[1:21:55] M we can say we can change after 13 182
[1:21:58] and 183 and said let it go there and we
[1:22:01] expect the PD to enforce it we we're
[1:22:04] being unfair to any Department if we
[1:22:06] were to do that so we have to factor in
[1:22:09] that because this what we're doing here
[1:22:11] is good for our community but at the
[1:22:12] same time we need to give the department
[1:22:16] the resource to enforce it and let me
[1:22:19] just go back a little bit and talk about
[1:22:21] Nuance Department back in time it only
[1:22:23] one m one person right we have four now
[1:22:27] and it's the reason why we're seeing
[1:22:30] that our neighborhood are being clean it
[1:22:32] is because the resource at their
[1:22:34] disposal they're fully staed and they're
[1:22:36] going out there every single day and
[1:22:38] they're enforcing the violation and it's
[1:22:40] ticket and we're seeing our neighborhood
[1:22:42] are cleaning day by day we're seeing
[1:22:45] cleaning so the same thing going to be
[1:22:46] happening here we're going to have to
[1:22:48] make sure that we revise this to the
[1:22:49] best we can to make sure that our
[1:22:51] neighborhood are be addressed the
[1:22:54] concern but at the same time address
[1:22:57] resource resource to make sure that is put in place and they don't have to
[1:23:02] wait 3 days we're going to have the
[1:23:04] drones and we have somebody man the
[1:23:05] Drone we have somebody right there to
[1:23:07] take care of that to go over there res
[1:23:09] You by appearance ticket a person show
[1:23:11] up the court and then you know it takes
[1:23:14] a course from there
[1:23:16] on so just to piggyback on that I do
[1:23:18] think that um I totally agree and I
[1:23:21] think that there first of all we need to
[1:23:24] having them at the table and I know he
[1:23:26] you know he had to leave so but I mean
[1:23:28] as we move forward obviously they'd
[1:23:30] still be involved in these discussions
[1:23:32] but because I've always thought maybe
[1:23:34] there's a way to you know inist the help
[1:23:36] of retirees from the I mean in other
[1:23:38] words there might be Creative Solutions
[1:23:41] uh to some of the staffing issues but
[1:23:43] that's you know we need them to be uh
[1:23:46] voicing their opinions on that I just
[1:23:48] wanted to reiterate that I think whether
[1:23:50] it's this issue whether it's the traffic
[1:23:52] issue whether it's the trash issue the
[1:23:55] education and the behavioral change is
[1:23:57] key so I think we are going to have to
[1:23:59] uh think about that and think about how
[1:24:01] do we advertise it how do we Market it
[1:24:03] you know what are the resources that
[1:24:04] we're going to need to do to do that um
[1:24:07] and then I also just want to say before
[1:24:09] I mean two things before we before we
[1:24:11] leave or just so when we continue our
[1:24:13] discussion we do need to talk about
[1:24:15] animals um and we do need to talk about
[1:24:17] the parks um animals and what the noise
[1:24:21] that there might be dogs that are left
[1:24:23] outside you know eight hours or
[1:24:25] something and they're barking like crazy
[1:24:27] it's it's in here but I'm just saying
[1:24:29] it's something that we didn't talk about
[1:24:30] here and I do want us to do that and
[1:24:32] then also just those public parks that
[1:24:35] we all I mean I think we all can see
[1:24:37] when we are walking in our parks that um
[1:24:40] you know there's vehicles that are
[1:24:41] making noise there's people that are
[1:24:43] making noise all doesn't matter the day
[1:24:45] or you know the time um so you know one
[1:24:48] thing that I noticed um I think that
[1:24:51] again it's it's a resource thing but we
[1:24:53] might want to have sign in our parks
[1:24:55] where the um non-emergency number um is visible on on signage in terms of you
[1:25:01] know how does somebody report um a
[1:25:04] complaint as well so those were the last
[1:25:07] things that I just wanted to indicate
[1:25:11] before we
[1:25:12] leave before I go um next meeting can we
[1:25:16] have both chapters 182 and 183 so that
[1:25:20] we can kind of refer to 183 to what some
[1:25:23] meting the next meeting yes so we'll kind of like we have we must look
[1:25:27] at four
[1:25:29] chapters uh any other questions or com
[1:25:31] what's our next I mean in other words
[1:25:33] back to what you said in terms of the
[1:25:34] other email or the end of the email that
[1:25:36] you received today I mean you know I
[1:25:39] want to make sure that we do take action
[1:25:42] um so I just didn't you know wanted to
[1:25:43] see what your thoughts were in terms of
[1:25:45] an action plan and our timeline and and
[1:25:48] that Ty of thing so I would say in my
[1:25:50] recommendations earlier with focusing on
[1:25:52] adjusting the time frame for un reason
[1:25:54] noise um adjusting the fines and then
[1:25:56] focusing on the permits I think that
[1:25:58] takes into account that our enforcement
[1:26:00] is our enforcement so I don't foresee or forecast any significant changes to
[1:26:06] the police department's Staffing levels
[1:26:08] um I think enforcement is affected in a
[1:26:11] positive way with the introduction of
[1:26:12] drones which according to ACN no's
[1:26:15] accounts are potentially end of this
[1:26:17] year hopefully the beginning of next
[1:26:20] year so again we're asking the community
[1:26:22] to be patient which they've been doing
[1:26:25] for a number of years so that is why
[1:26:27] increasing the fines um I think gives M
[1:26:30] rash's Department the ability to when we
[1:26:33] respond to the few instances that we can
[1:26:36] that it has more of a substantial impact
[1:26:38] to the thing that everyone cares most
[1:26:40] about which is your your wallet but also
[1:26:43] it has a reverting impact on the
[1:26:45] community that they are no longer
[1:26:47] accepting fleas uh because the instances
[1:26:49] that we do respond to are such a small
[1:26:52] uh uh composite of all of the issues to
[1:26:54] our city we need that to have a
[1:26:56] magnified um impact so I think if we
[1:26:59] were responding to a few instances those
[1:27:02] instances that we're responding to need
[1:27:04] to have weight and impact if that makes
[1:27:06] sense so so I guess I think basically
[1:27:09] what's mone's meeting that look like in
[1:27:11] terms of you know what what we leave
[1:27:14] from this you'll be bringing from this
[1:27:16] meeting with the committee to the
[1:27:18] meeting on Monday that's the question so
[1:27:22] I would say listening with the
[1:27:24] collective I know this is not a full
[1:27:25] representation of our Collective Council
[1:27:28] it seems as if we're saying we need to
[1:27:30] increase um awareness which I agree on
[1:27:33] um however we need to allow the uh
[1:27:37] ticketing process as it currently exists
[1:27:39] to continue on and I'm trying to be
[1:27:42] positive but it it sounds like we need
[1:27:45] to increase enforcement which we can but
[1:27:48] we need to make sure the community is
[1:27:49] aware that there's a ticketing um which
[1:27:52] to some degree I don't think is going to
[1:27:53] have impact on your ability to like
[1:27:56] adhere to being a good Samaran or
[1:27:58] not so well I thought we would
[1:28:02] increasing the fin one discussion I
[1:28:05] would say from the individuals in the
[1:28:06] committee it seems as though they're
[1:28:07] very they won't get out of
[1:28:10] comme so no I'm just going to Monday's
[1:28:13] meeting so what what is the purpose of
[1:28:15] Monday's meeting because we still we're
[1:28:17] still discussing here with gathering
[1:28:19] information and then present so what are
[1:28:21] we going to discuss Monday should we now
[1:28:23] wait hold on another special meeting um
[1:28:26] special public safety meeting try to get
[1:28:29] some draft information in and present to
[1:28:30] the entire Council Monday so what I
[1:28:33] would ask is for everyone to as you had
[1:28:35] your comments I took a vigorous amount
[1:28:37] of notes and I hope think shitty clerk
[1:28:39] was also taking notes also I would ask
[1:28:41] in similar format if everyone could just
[1:28:44] document your takeaways and either send
[1:28:47] those in this m
[1:28:48] gr or you can well I'd say that's
[1:28:50] probably the best case uh and then we
[1:28:52] compile them but in addition I think
[1:28:55] there's a lot of credibility to
[1:28:56] commissioner divine's comment of looking
[1:28:58] at both chapter 182 and 183 collectively
[1:29:01] in that point system um so I think
[1:29:02] regardless of how we started this
[1:29:04] meeting um I think we still have good
[1:29:07] work or good outcomes to work towards
[1:29:11] um
[1:29:13] I um so okay so why don't you okay it's
[1:29:18] on the agenda Monday so why don't you
[1:29:20] give the entire Council an update or
[1:29:23] what was the discussion or today and
[1:29:25] then we continue and then come up with
[1:29:27] our um recommendation to the entire
[1:29:29] Council because we're going to discuss
[1:29:32] the same thing Monday doesn't make any
[1:29:33] sense no no I don't think that's what he
[1:29:35] said I think I think he's saying that we
[1:29:37] just give a um a report about the chair
[1:29:41] can give you a report of what happened
[1:29:42] like what Miss uh Patrick did and we
[1:29:45] still continue to meet still continue to
[1:29:47] put information together and come up
[1:29:48] with a draft and then present to the F
[1:29:50] Council agree so I don't um I don't know
[1:29:54] how much of a discussion we're going to
[1:29:55] have Monday because there's a lot of
[1:29:57] discussion here and a lot of takeaways
[1:29:59] for us to come up with a uh to start
[1:30:01] work ons but I me one of the points was
[1:30:04] uh looking at the system I think having
[1:30:07] that as a kind of light hold moment of
[1:30:10] that is an option we can have um as an
[1:30:12] objective I think we have that continued
[1:30:14] discussion as a council that might be
[1:30:16] something we're willing to move on
[1:30:17] forward in our committee so I would say
[1:30:19] as if we capture all of the takeaways
[1:30:22] and then we come to Monday and I do a
[1:30:24] summarization but if you feel more
[1:30:26] emboldened you want to take
[1:30:28] a take a direction we can so I think
[1:30:31] that's why leaving it is important um
[1:30:33] but still continue like I have never
[1:30:34] read 182 yet or 183 so I will and I then
[1:30:38] may be more open to a different
[1:30:41] direction exactly that's what I'm saying
[1:30:43] uari so to kind of give summary next
[1:30:46] Monday and then let's continue to work and make sure we
[1:30:50] address every um section on the both
[1:30:53] chapters and then bring it out to the
[1:30:55] full Council once we can get that
[1:30:57] agreement so move forward with I just
[1:31:00] think that I do want to say that I think
[1:31:02] that there might be things that um I I
[1:31:04] absolutely think we need to you know
[1:31:06] summarize our own questions and comments
[1:31:09] and get that to miss Miku um I
[1:31:11] definitely think we have to look at the
[1:31:12] other uh ordinance as well and review
[1:31:15] that but I hope that um there might be
[1:31:19] some things where we might even on
[1:31:20] Monday be able to make recommendations
[1:31:22] for motions
[1:31:24] um like increasing the fees like
[1:31:27] increasing the fees or you know you'd
[1:31:30] have to call for a public hear well we
[1:31:32] do have a public hearing um when is the
[1:31:34] public hearing there's no for public
[1:31:36] hearing oh there isn't I thought there
[1:31:37] was
[1:31:38] already want to do that let's take our
[1:31:40] time let's not jump on here we should do
[1:31:43] all together I think what is the public
[1:31:44] hearing that's coming up is it we have
[1:31:46] some public hearings public okay what is
[1:31:49] it okay and I just want to and I think
[1:31:52] that's something we should do need to
[1:31:54] talk to the law department and um the
[1:31:56] police department and probably the Law
[1:31:58] Department as well want to really just
[1:32:00] caution Us in terms of the the use of
[1:32:02] drones and people feeling about the the
[1:32:04] whole big brother thing because that may
[1:32:06] come into I think that's going to become
[1:32:08] a conversation where people feel like
[1:32:11] drones are over neighborhoods to pretty
[1:32:13] much control their behavior so I'm not
[1:32:16] sure that that if that's something we
[1:32:19] can even do or how much how much we want
[1:32:21] to do that so I think we should look
[1:32:23] into the the theity of that well I think
[1:32:26] I mean I think we've already moved
[1:32:27] forward with purchasing these drones and
[1:32:29] heard from our Police Department in
[1:32:30] terms of some of the various uses for
[1:32:32] the drones um I hear what you're saying
[1:32:36] um but I think it's the same I mean I'm
[1:32:39] still hoping that there's going to be
[1:32:40] speed cameras on the red lights I mean
[1:32:42] it's the same thing but we do have a
[1:32:44] responsibility to be trying to look and
[1:32:46] it's new techn I mean it's it is where
[1:32:48] we're at I mean in terms of the world in
[1:32:51] terms of being able to use the
[1:32:53] technology that that now is at our um
[1:32:56] available to us to be able to enforce
[1:32:58] things um we may just have to take some
[1:33:01] flap but I agree that when we have the
[1:33:04] public hearing we we might hear um we're
[1:33:07] going to hear I I mean I would have to
[1:33:08] say that probably increasing the fines
[1:33:10] we're going to hear from people that are
[1:33:11] going to say this is going to be too
[1:33:12] much of a hardship uh etc etc um in some
[1:33:16] of our in some of our you know I'm just
[1:33:19] saying I mean there's there's going to
[1:33:20] be various opinions based on people's
[1:33:22] income levels Etc where they're but I
[1:33:26] get that we want to have zero tolerance
[1:33:28] um so there's lot that's the term I'm
[1:33:30] going to
[1:33:31] use it's like out there and people
[1:33:33] aren't really crazy about it yeah so I
[1:33:35] mean we will hear all that in the H
[1:33:37] hearing but but we're going to have to
[1:33:39] still you know take all that information
[1:33:41] in hand and still make our own decisions
[1:33:43] based on as long as we're on good legal
[1:33:45] standing that's that for me is a concern
[1:33:48] oh yeah Abol make sure that we they
[1:33:50] can't sue us or anything for that so as
[1:33:52] long as we make sure that we have that
[1:33:54] um because people are very petitious and
[1:33:58] we get sued for a lot of things so can I
[1:34:01] just ask what exactly do you are you
[1:34:04] looking for from the law department for
[1:34:06] Monday so i' say disregard no so I think
[1:34:10] we're still in the uh information
[1:34:12] gathering phase I think your perspective
[1:34:14] was very valid and helped guide the
[1:34:15] conversation so thank you but uh just to
[1:34:18] capture I'm going to uh take a summary
[1:34:21] of what I the notes I took I'm going to
[1:34:22] ask everyone to still send your notes to
[1:34:24] miss Miku um I will will cross compare
[1:34:27] before Monday's meeting um but unless
[1:34:29] there are other directions we'd like to
[1:34:31] discuss I think M's point I'm not
[1:34:34] willing I don't want to take just an
[1:34:36] expedient approach but I want to ensure
[1:34:39] that we are still working towards an
[1:34:41] outcome yes that's I guess that's you
[1:34:43] know because I I think we do hear it
[1:34:44] often from folks that this Council you
[1:34:47] know we hear that complaint that you
[1:34:48] brought up earlier that we need to take
[1:34:51] some action yeah so uh definitely thank
[1:34:53] you for everyone taking the time I say
[1:34:55] unless there were any other questions or
[1:34:56] concerns we may have a motion to adjourn
[1:34:58] so move second all those in
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[1:35:06] favor can you provide transfer to us
[1:35:09] I'll try yes if you yeah you know that
[1:35:11] broke down while we meeting that's s we
[1:35:13] we'll still help us um no you know when
[1:35:15] it broke down the mayor was still up
[1:35:22] there e