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don't even doesn't
like just just send a notification I'd
like to call to or disc connect the city
council committee meeting for
Monday September 16th 2024 and the first
thing on our agenda we're going to have
a presentation by Mr lefon on the
uh survey that we should have done in
the mail regarding the water Mr lefon
service
session police play
um few weeks back we uh we did contract
with the company through a grant to send
surveys out to Property Owners within
the city of s to meet the new
regulations from EPA with regard to
letting CER that new rule is to uh was
to ban all Le services in 1986 all Le uh
containing solder containing lead it was
all banned in
1986 uh now there is a push to do
surveys of all the properties within the
city with York Spain actually the whole
country to see which services are still
let in and then the next phase of that
would be how to remove them so um most
Property Owners would have gotten these
um it was the best way to do it some
Property Owners may get them through
their um their service for estro for
their Banks it'll be on the website
hopefully with the two days here conect
um people who don't no uh there is a way
to test one lead which is this here part
of the Boose neck magnet won't stick the
lead okay that's what they're trying to
remove
um the city allows copper 1in copper um
and we do allow a CPS pipe which is
plastic um most people now are going
with the CPS pipe because it's a
fraction of the cost compared to what
copper is nowadays I think a 60 or 80t
roll of copper is almost $11,000 and 100
ft of plastic is about
$120 so um residents can go with plastic
the only thing they have to do is if
they're currently grounded through their
electrical paned to the pipe that's in
the ground they has to remain grounded
if not they have to call an electrician
get a electrical permit and put two
grounding rods in to the electrical
inspector's office to ground the new
service or their house
um what EPA does after the surveys are
out it'll be a work in progress cuz we
don't get into we're not going to get
into 16,000 houses um you know in the
next few months but it'll be a work in
progress and once that's done that
survey has to be posted on the website
in the EPA format so anybody can access
it and look up the property and see if
it still has a l service or a copper
service um so I do want to come in and
inform you that these are out so people
do contact you please try and get them
to either contact the water department
send the self card in to uh 120 water
and or if they want to do the self test
um like I said will schedule appointment
with them to actually go out to the
house determine whether sling copper I
know it's very difficult getting in
people's basement nobody wants you in
their house I'm not there to look at
anything other than the
pipe so I don't know if the council has
any questions if you do these around
these surveys now so if someone has a
lead pipe they have to get replaced no
um if they touch the Water Service like
currently right now they have to do any
work Under Water Service it is Le they
have to bring it to code but if it's
currently in the ground until EPA tells
us has be removed and currently who's
going to pay for it because the city
doesn't own the services we own the
mains property owns service from the
main into the house so it's not been
determined yet
right now they're just doing the
survey so so um my H's on the paper was
kind of my other question um sometimes
low lower income homeowners have grants
available so is that anything that's
going there we had a grant a few years
back for around 560,000 we did about 100
service lines to you know people who
knew the grant was available they had a
li service the uh licensed plumber in
the city we contact our plumbing inp
ector W verify that it was led if it was
led that property owner um received the
service fre of jge to the rant so
hopefully um EPA the federal government
will come up with money
because it's you know it's millions of
dollars it's we have 16,000 properties
this would affect almost any house that
would built pre 86 that was when the r
came to effect so the assumption is if
your house was built before
1986 it probably has L unless it was a a
replace service cuz it you already went
B on you replaced with
copper on the other anybody else
questions m p um just two quick
questions um when are the surveys due
back and okay of this year we'll have
hopefully the surveys back in or par
portion of them okay um the company we
have working with us will put the data
into the EPA format uh that'll get sent
to EPA and we'll just continue working
to gain entry to more more houses is the
Sur I I know you said the results will
go on our website is the survey
instrument itself on our website okay no
and surveys it's got to be developed in
the sense the data is going to be put in 120 water is doing that
okay and we're getting and we're keeping
a list downstairs and the water
department personnel scheduling
appointments to all the residents who do
call in and just you know want somebody
other than themselves to verify what
they have going into the house thank you
if if it's an unknown you could
considered it a let service so we say
unknown it's going to be considered
let anybody else pa um you mentioned um
about cost and the EPA is not discussing
that at this point in time the EPA is
not discussing cost so who's going to
Bard the cost at this point in time is
that something that you can try to find
out from them as to who is going to be
responsible for the cost
I I we we can look into it but I think
what they're trying to figure out right
now
is you know in conect alone if you have
16,000 Services you know what do you say
um 15% maybe you know lead still we're
not sure so we've gone we're going
through our data which are old um
tapping cards um to help update
everything um you know so it's it's a process you know you just trying
to find in cards from the 70s or 80s you
know you're up in the archives in the
Attic so um one of the easiest ways to
actually get into a basement and look at
the pipe scratch the pipe see if it's
light see if it's copper see if it's
plastic other questions you didn't have
any Britten copy of the survey uh with
you I didn't get one mail to me I have a
paper copy I can what I'll do is email
it out I can email all numers and I can
email the most free oh there's one
here's one
you got a C from your
house just so people see what it is and
know it's not jum
mail that
conf so kind of looks like this where it
says and so if they scan this QR code
they scan the QR code they can respond
to through the okay so all right and
then just the other side well that just
says Resonance of it doesn't oh no it is
there okay so if people get things in
the mail it's not J mail they to
complete the surveys and if they want
they only get use call downstairs room 9
and we'll set the appointment okay any
other thing questions than thank you
very much thank for bringing the uh the
uh prop to the next meeting for
okay thank you see you
later all right we'll begin with the
public safety so I like to call the
Public Safety Committee to order we have
three items on the agenda tonight first
of which is a discussion of traffic
safety measures within the city of enity
Miss Patrick yes uh thank you Mr
Williams um I'd like to
ask Mr Mr Wallen to come to the front I
brought 10 copies but nobody's here
we're here this is a continuation of a
discussion that we've been having about
traffic safety and traffic calming
measures
thank you for bringing me of course
hello so September 16th traffic update
hope me get my little do hicky I
apologize that this TV seems to always
be on the
pr uh turn it
on and there we're away all right so the
first thing that we wanted to talk about
this is going to be when I do these
updates we're going to kind of go with a
little bit of agenda but also a little
bit of where we have to
so one of the first things that we
talked about is to put these into place
uh officially what we'd like to do is in
talking with the corporate council's
office is modify the city code to
authorize the city engineer as it states
uh to have uh section a new section
which we're calling traffic cing
measures which authorizes a city
engineer to install traffic cing
measures on designated streets uh as
it's written there it is of course
totally changed this was a draft that
was put together um but but it is the
idea that it authorizes myself with your
permission to install things that we
talked about at the previous update
which is speed bumps PPS red light
cameras schol zone speed cameras we can
even put a little bit of you know and
similar devices in in there just so
we're not coming back for every little
thing um this is something that would
require a public hearing I believe
because we will be amending the city
code um so if this is what we' like to
go forward with with I think this would
be the the top priority uh to get it
into the public hearing process to move
forward so that we could do that and I
provided you the language in your in
your handout there um just moving on if
we're going to be doing this uh and
calling a public hearing about my roles
one of the things that has come up is
I'd also liked I haven't even talked to
Sean about this I'd also like to amend
this section of my duties which has to
do with um use of streets and sidewalks
what we did was and I'm sure you're kind
of aware is we've transitioned a lot of
enforcement to codes and we' beautified
all the enforcement in the codes
Department however we never changeed the
charter as it's customary we don't
really update the charter as quickly as
we should and so the charter says that
it's the commissioner of Public Works
Paul or the assistant city engineer who
does not exist the assistant city
engineer was a PE position and I don't
believe it's existed for about 20 years
um and those are the two people that
Shall Serve notice to people for
sidewalk violations um so you know we
have sidewalk violations that do occur
from time to time so I am requesting um
that this be changed to commissioner
Public Works city engineer or uh the
codes department so that we can have the
codes officers uh write this as part of
their uh duties so while it's not part
of the Traffic Safety in a way if we're
going to call a public hearing and
discuss uh the duties of the city
engineer I would love to be able to
modify this so it's cleaner I have
another one for
you thank
you on slide three so uh so these were
the first two things that we uh that I
wanted to talk about was the
modification C code city ofor uh the
second thing that I wanted to talk with
you about today uh would be the speak
table procedure it was something that we
provided before uh with the city of
Rochester I modified it just a little
bit simplified some areas of it there
you go Sam and I'd like to
get um committe comments on it I I do
think that it may be appropriate I don't
we don't we don't do it much but to meet
actually uh with the committee possibly
and not turn these Council meetings into
workshops
um I I don't know how we do that but you
know there's decisions that have to be
made before we move forward with a lot
of these items and I don't know if this
is the right venue to have these kind of
Workshop discussions so so just so you
know since we've been having these kind
of things there's been committee
meetings being held okay terrific to
have that so what you have in front of
you is a speed table procedure I'm
summarizing it up top where we're saying
that you know there' be five steps this
is identical to Rochester just modify
for the City's connecting where you're
talking about a letter of request
in-house evaluation traffic study and
then the consideration of other factors
uh the highlighted portion is where I
just like to go is that they use a 75%
petition um we don't have a petition
that is that high so then I would ask
that the council come up with a number
that is uh you know it could be 75%
could be 50 could be 80 but I just want
to make sure that that number I would
like the council to be able to set
similarly uh on the bottom on Section
six there's a section about parallel
streets and if you kind of were to read
this whole thing and gloss over it it's
one of those little worded sections that
could be a nightmare um so I will like
direct you to where I grew up I grew up
on Ardsley Road which is right by the
high school Arsley road is a great
example road that I just happened to
grow up on because Arsley road is you
have the high school the parking lot is
literally empty on Arsley Road and you
have Union Street so so cars drive that
way so if you get a petition from
marsley Road and they say we really want
speed HS and we put them there Waverly
and Phoenix directly parallel right next
door so then you start pushing then you
get to mclen then you get to Parkwood
you get to Glenwood and Rochester
actually you know really they kind of
they had stronger language that was
essentially if there are more than one
parallel Street you're denied they don't
even want to get into it and I don't
want to go down that road yet because
this is a new process
but I wanted to point out that on those
particular streets the other streets I
was thinking about are neighborhood such
as wood where if you go into woodw we
have very long straight runs of roads
where if we put them there uh the
particularly there's the four I don't
remember off the time I head but there's
four roads that go right through from
Albany Street to the wood law preserve
that are just long straight runs so if
we put speed pumps on one of them are we
forcing them or the others um gford yeah
it's that it's that level of just making
sure we have the understanding that we
don't want to solve a problem on one
street but push the problem to the
others um so and with regards to this
that's why you know Brian is here uh
Canon because we've been working he's
been using uh the data from the city
Smart City nodes and Optical sensors and
working with our vendors he's pulled
some data he's actually shared it with
myself and the police department I don't
want to make it public yet because we're
still working out some of the Kinks on
what we really believe is it's feasible
and not feasible um but that could be
maybe the next update this one I want to
show you that like I'd love to get the
code moving get this kind of going with
this procedure so that we know what
we're doing and then we can focus on
where the actual tables themselves are
going um the next part of that is I say
tables I just wanted to bring this up
we've been doing a lot of research on
this um and we know we're not the first
so because we're not the first I'm not
acting like we're inventing anything
here we're just Implement so the table
that we put on Dwayne Avenue in SKC was
what is called a speed table on the left
you go up it's flat for a little bit you
go down there are speed humps what
Albany has are speed humps up down so
one is 12 ft one is 30 ft you or 26 ft
depending so we have these two different
so if you were to go to almany they have
humps we used a table the tables are
better for really high volume roads um
one of the differences I think the main
difference and I don't want to you know
I know you're probably going to say
Chris whatever you'd like to do but I
just want to talk and tell you what it
is is that the idea with Dwayne Avenue
was we don't need to reduce the speed we
just don't want you speeding so a speed
hump you will drive and it'll have a
sign it'll say speed hump 15 mph you got
to slow down to 15 go over a speed HP
and then keep driving the speed tables
we can specifically designed and pick
that they're meant for 30 m hour you
drive 30 m hour you go up you go over
you go down you go 40 m an hour it's
going to be really uncomfortable so that
was the idea the thought was and this is
where said working with the PD working
with John cucho at the time was that if
you had a speed hump and you reduce that
speed to 15 you would want to make it up
you would want to go up over okay that
was annoying I got to go fast and then
up up over and I'm going to make it up
um we didn't get that complaint with
these speed tables I don't remember
hearing that about the the the going
fast portion of it but I did want to
point out that the majority of locations
are using pumps which are a little bit
smaller more manageable than tables uh
but I I I haven't decided which way I
really want to go but I just wanted to
state that is the reason if we do use
speed humps most likely even at 25 mph
we will have to put a advisory sign that
the speed over that hump is 20 or 15 so
we have to reduce the speed over the
home table we wouldn't
have um also we have some standard
sheets just to let you know this is you
know what a speed table would look like
this is off the dot so this is what kind
of we're working on once again we're not
trying to reinvent the wheel similarly
uh signage this is what I I'm going to
be forwarding to Paul leond and Brian uh
about this is what we're thinking is
that like right now this is if we were
to use a speed table we would we would
put what the speed limit is because
we're not going to have speed limit
signs on every road once we go through
this uh you know hopefully the lowering
of the speed limit so we would say okay
the speed limit's 25 there's a speed
table ahead here's the speed table that
would be the procedure of advanced
warning and then the as you see on the
road they use a very unique now system
of striping where it's it's like a a 3ft
wide stripe then you go 30 ft and it's a
5T wide stripe then you go 30 ft eight
and it goes and then when you get to to
the the speed table it's an arrow so
it's a it's a very uh distinct amount of
striping to get to that point so right
now this is uh what we were calling our our signage and striping package
that we would be working with with Brian
and SPD to implement um if this is this
is specific to a speed table I didn't
have time to put one together for a
speed hump the only difference would be
that white speed limit sign would be a
little yellow sign that would be saying
probably 20 or 15 because you have to
slow down
so so if let's say this is with the
speed table so if it was a speed Humper
you're saying you would need the 25 M
hour and addition to that you would need
an additional sign right around the
speed P we would for the 15 so we would
put it's a little misleading because
those signs aren't meant to actually be
above above each other they're just
meant to show one's here one's further
back the advisory sign would be directly
attached and beneath that speed table
ahead sign to advise you that you have
to go slower over it the only difference
would be most likely is that we would
mod probably put a speed limit sign on
the other side just you know this is
what the speed limit is just to remind
you what the speed limit is but the the
speed humps the advantage of the speed
hump is it would probably be cheaper cuz
they're
smaller um but I just I'm like I said I
try to deal in transparency and we did
not install speed pumps on Dwayne Avenue
we used specifically designed speed
tables for our speed limit which was at
the time 30 so it would work perfectly
fine in 25 and those are the comments
that we got were for a speed table but I
have the entire Albany uh city of Albany
um plet I have their procedures Albany
has a similar procedure that they have
adopted by the council um I pretty sure
I could share I wasn't comfortable
sharing it now but I'm pretty sure it's
all public to share um uh that's what
they developed and they're using pumps
in their project uh in hamon hill so um
in terms
of we only did one that one street like
that's that's the only feedback we got
was from that one street so all the the
other places that we talked about people
felt you know giv the next one was
supposed to be rugby and yeah we didn't
do that we haven't gotten any of that
feedback so we're basing everything just
on that one right now yes I'm not only
basing off of that but that's why I'm
trying to use the Albany study and some
other areas to try to pull information
of just what people are doing um but yes
for our local we've only used that
system once on that road
okay so um I have a couple of questions
so um just on that one still so that
does make the Assumption I think that we
would lower the speed limit to 25 that
this is all off that's why I put it
there that we are going to be lowering
the speed limit on local roads to 25 yes
okay it's based on that okay great I'm
happy to hear that um and and then on
the sidewalk one I thought and this did
happen before I was on Council but I'm
pretty I thought that we had to have a
petition and that that too was I thought
the number was 75% but um cuz that that
language isn't e here about having a
petition I I think the city Char still
stands up 25% right 25% so if if if
residents on a street had a 25% of the
residents so shouldn't that be in if
we're putting it in um for the speed
tables should we be putting it into
that's you know that's a different if I
can interject kind of a different Pro
process you're looking at something of a
fluid situation whereas if you're
talking about Improvement districts that
goes to property taxes and that's in the
city Charter which is a total different
oh I see okay I I I get the distinction
okay so it's it's okay thank you
different and I just um I do think that
it would be great to have a special you
know if we needed to talk about this
more to have a special Public Safety
Committee meeting as we did the other
day so I just want to that as well any
other questions or comments Mr R U Mr
sometime back we had asked um you to
kind of give us a CA breakdown for these
um speed table or speed PP were you able
to get a cost for how much one would be
yes no I didn't put anything together
yet the signage we would most likely be
able to do in housee do you think FR
we're not talking talking about too many
signs yeah yeah we were looking at two
four six signs posts and then the the
black um notice that you see that those
are delineators just so in case I just
threw those in there each side of it
just for plow purposes that's something
you do you put you know this where the
front and the back of them would be so
the plows know where they are that's
what those are um the speed tables
themselves they're asphalt they're not
very large um I I mean I can get a I can
get a pretty accurate quot from one of
our vendors but
$25 to $50,000 for for one I don't think
it would be you know too too cost
prohibited for putting one in maybe we
do it when we pave some of the road and
that can be you know absorb into that
get a little bit more um efficiencies
out of it if we pave the road at the
same
time on the
remov on the removables spe H that we
purchased last year
$6,000 or 60 not that's the one we put
on way
16 just just follow so Mr
W budget is end of this month is it
possible for you to consider maybe put
that in your Capital
um what I have in my capital budget
going for next year I have a meeting
with Anthony but usually what I request
is somewhere around a million and a half
$25 million for General Paving which is
above and beyond what the state gives us
and in that we usually leave leave it
open if we call it it used to be called
the road paving program now we call it
the street Improvement program and we
leave the bond language a little bit
more open so that this would be under
that program so that's how we would be
doing things is that can you can you
create a separate line for Speed table
speed home and allocate money on just so
it's budgeted just so you see it yes I
could ask anything to do that yes yeah
it would be a smaller one yes
something any would just be that based
on estimates at this point in time yes right yeah oh I just want to
logistically go through this if I can
right now if you all want to I I
provided uh the draft ordinance to you
which is incorporated slide number two
if you want to go with that you would
have to have a public hearing now the
public hearing would either be you know
the same night you're doing the public
hearing for the budget in mid October or
putting it out for the second meeting in in o October and then regarding the language and then the uh the speed
table request procedure we we do is have
you have your public hearing vote on the
ordinance that same night you could do a
resolution end endorsing the policy
whatever you may agree to because
section two of that ordinance will will
uh uh has the U process where you're uh
agreeing or inputting on the uh on the
uh on that guidance issued by the city
engineer so
logistically you know for thinking ahead
here you it's up to what you all want to
do public hearing is because of the way
the schedule is it's not going to be
until the the public hearing for the the
budget you may want to think about
putting it off to the end of October
because you'll have a full plate I'm
sure on that night for the budget so we
could do you know if you want this
language we could do you know pass out
tonight the resolution calling for a
public hearing but the public hearing
would be at that second meeting in in uh
October so yeah I was just wondering
about it's like I know that you're
saying that we have a pretty limited
data set just because we only use that
um doing a but don't we have some data
from like our Smart City stuff and some
go to some of the other uh kind of
traffic sets we've been doing collecting
data around like uh Street here is that
is any of that data would that be
applicable to this or we can say okay
this looks like more trouble we have
data but that's what I was is uh as
Brian myself and the and the police
department are using that data to
identify areas that would be best
probable areas to put these systems but
it wouldn't help us with them because we
don't have anything like this out there
Dwayne Avenue was very unique uh and
like I said we just used yes it was that
one case study to to move forward and we can identify it was
uh but no I I don't think I don't think
the data that we have today we could use
to justify you know that success in one
of these cuz we don't have anything out
there this these are these are different
kinds of systems and these are
they're they're very unique to have on a
public rope you know you can used to
them in parking lots and things like
that I don't think we can make that
Brian do you disagree with that I
no Miss Patrick but we do have the
example of the city of Aly and the debt
and all that they've been doing that we
could look to correct and I work with I
work with uh with them quite a bit and I
also work like I said we're working with
the cap region Transportation Council
and we can work with them I'm not I'm
not
too I am not too concerned about if they
will be effective it's just where they
will be effective and getting the
policies and procedures right so that
you know we're we're the one kind of
steering with the implementation of them
and how they're placed because I think
it was a good study I really do think
that Dwayne having the study was a good
study and we got good results and Albany
you know they clearly saw it was good
and they're making the investment and
you're seeing this as to combat it um
and we like I said we're using the data
to pull it together we're looking at
it's it's a it's a tool it's not the
tool but it is a tool just like last
presentation I said these are all the
tools that we have and I I think that we
could start looking at the new ones that
I didn't bother talking about speed
cameras or bus cameras or things like
that but all those are are useful tools
when used
correctly um well just um so with the
1.5 million for Paving or I think you
said um with that also I mean I guess I
just want to make sure that we have
enough money um or at least we have the
ability to discuss whether we're going
to have enough money um if we were going
to do the cameras or um you know any
other kinds of traffic caling
measures um I I don't know how the it
like traffic cameras and that I don't
know how that would work um with regards
to Paving money um but I mean so
somewhere in the budget I mean it
doesn't have to be in the paving line
but would You' like to see if we could
put something yes okay
please
for so I just want to be clear are we
going to be doing are we going to be um
doing Runway road before this you moving
forward with this is there going to be a pilot over there as well I know that
was our intention is it still going to
happen this year at all we can do it at
all yes this year will be difficult Mr
so the the Smart City things that we've
implemented th far and it's kind of
similar question but just from a
different position I'm kind of thinking
about what Mr Patrick was saying can is any of that technology is it
applicable for us to use the data and or
maybe leverage some of that existing
technology to use as far as like maybe
op of traffic Camas I'm just trying to
think like is there another application
to some of that smart City's money
that's been spent and can we leverage
that to help
within I I don't believe so at time if
the cameras if the cameras could detect
the plates which they may be able to and
detect the speed we're not legally
allowed to ticket or to send out notices
I don't believe I mean that was like
what we're talking about is we could
buying the camera is just the material
item but the the step that we need to
complete is the legislation request it's
kind of similar what we're doing here is
that I know that it just feels
completely bureaucratic and like we're
not doing anything but working with uh
the legal office you know this is what
we're saying is that if we can really
get the code changed the policy form in
place and some of these details worked
out it'll set us up so that next year
because you know we're going into
October that next year we're we're ready
we're planning in the winter we're
bidding in the spring and next year we
kind of have a plan of what we're what
our our attack is so that we're hitting
the ground running um I it's very
similar what we're talking about with
the speed limit reduction um you know so
I talked with the the crtc today and
Brian and you know what they're doing is
they're consultant Brian sending over
our our signage plan they are doing some
traffic surveys and just to reiterate
you know that's why what this says 25 M
hour Mr re I have
no uh hesitation or thought about local
roads going to 25 it's the half dozen to
a dozen roads that are in that that area
so they asked what do we want to look
like you know and it's Broadway what is
Broadway you know Broadway is the one
street that goes this way I didn't know
knowing the geography of the city like I
know we all do Union Eastern State
Albany right they all go that way
Broadway is the only street that goes
that all right so I just like can you
look at it can you give me your opinion
on what Broadway is same thing where
it's splits the Gilder you know we're
looking at it from a traffic from a
density you know uh a little bit of
eerie Boulevard because the use of eerie
Boulevard is changing and maybe the
speeds aren't high enough anyways um so
there's certain streets you're going to
be looking at but 95% of the roads we
know the recommendations going to be
their local they're 25 and we're also
stating if you look in your procedure
which I didn't think that you know
you've had time to read that whole thing
is that part of that is saying we really
only want to put these traffic control
devices on local roads
we we I had that in the presentation
slide last time which was the the
emergency routes the arterials we really
you don't want to go driving down State
Street and then all of a sudden oh my
God there's a be that's not that's not
appropriate you know we want to keep you
we actually want traffic to go onto
State Street we want traffic to go on
the Union Street you know that's one of
those things like mclen Street for
example I know that it's primarily
residential but you want the traffic on
mclen street that is the main route you
don't want the traffic to go on on to
Parkwood or Arsley you want and then you
know the residents that are on those
streets it's it is what it is that is a more of a collector row um so you just
have to you try that's the that's the
fear is if you start doing you start
getting people on of that um but it's a balance that we're trying to do
and I think that's an actual a really
good Segway I have one question right
two was related to the minimum distance
for K streets that 500 ft um and the
second part is can you talk about that
makeup speed so the one question is 500
ft would most of our local roads like um
meet that condition and the second is
does the length of the street have
anything to do or does it affect the
that makeup speed we're talking about
with putting in
PKS brief I know what you're talking
about so you're talking about streets of
less than 500
and uh the first question was um the 500
ft didn't have a minimum distance of 500
ft between existing stop signs or
traffic signals it it's just trying to
put something where it's a short block
you don't have something in the middle
500 ft we're looking at um I believe the original one that we're looking at
was closer to 800 ft so we we brought it
down a little bit um and that is one of
the issues that we're going to see is
that's where this is really going to get
a little complex is that if we do this
on a longer Road
there's quite a few that we're going to
start installing and the road's going to
you know one of there's a road in colon
that was one of the first to do this by
a school um I can't remember it's right
off of uh San Creek Road I believe but
they have speed speed humps all the way
down um and they have to be spaced
appropriately so you so you know what
you're what to expect as you go but I
I'll look in but the idea is is that you
just don't have one on a very short
block
uh second question was in the actual
PowerPoint I think it was the first
actual Slide the article two traffic
regulations I know we've talked a lot
about stop signs and LED lights do you
think that'd be an appropriate Landing
space for that to be included I know
you've talked about like the true
definition of traffic calling measures
but I think in my head and
conceptionally of a lot of members in
the community they would see those as
them also um so would you think that is
appropriate to put or add to that or
does it already capture that yeah Mr
chairman if I can yeah I I think that's
already captured it's matters under the
city Authority crosswalk safety zone
traffic Lanes traffic control uh signals
Etc so those types of issues I think are
addressed earlier also referring to the
uh section uh 1603 of the vehicle and
traffic law so those issues regarding
stop signs are are are addressed earlier
I think what the you know Mr wallan was
concerned about is because we're getting
into a realm of Taff traffic cming
devices which are a
different uh entity than a stop sign
speed hum speed speed traffic cables Etc
tra um um school zone cameras
Etc that wasn't in the code and that's
why through the city engineer was
looking for that new section to create
that because it just didn't Envision
those types of devices but the more
traditional devices the stops Etc that's
already in the in the engineers
Authority we did something similar to
this 8 years ago where our parking
sections of the code which is also under
C the engineer Authority did not
anticipate apps or kiosks the the
parking code only made reference to
meters and coins and tokens so we hadn't
issued a token in you know about 15
years 20 years at that point so we we
updated the code so this is similar here
that the traffic caling measures these
are even phrases that weren't said when
the when traffic caling
was I think I just want to say that I
think one of um Mr Wall's suggestions
was um adding and similar devices at the
end of that first sentence so that might
cover some but also you know but not
limited to I think that's broadens it
you know in other words these are
examples right so as new types of
devices are developed you can always put
that in there so it's not limited it's
just those are the types of devices that
will go into next SE yeah I think often
times that specifically with like job
applications they put the as or other
duties as assigned so I think to those
around the table and I imagine to those
that you work closely with this is
common language but just breaking it out
for some people who are Tuning In For
the First Time hello then it also
includes other areas as well um so
unless there are any other questions or
comments um I think Mr Brian you asking
for us to public hearing public hearing
so we need to move for a public hearing
the only yes Mr when Mr was speaking you
were asking about um doing this and
having the passing the resolution on
suay I'm you know I'm a little reluctant
to do that you can do that it's an
option you can it's an option people
come to speak at public hearing and if
people come we don't want to say okay no
going move ahead so I preer to stretch
that out and what let me just clarify I
mean when you pass the ordinance when
you pass the ordinance creating that new
section it's not in the public hearing
of doing the that on the same matter
what I'm saying is that when you pass
the or after you have the public hearing
the me transpires you goes to committee
one more time at that point you'll be
looking at the the the the policy and
guidance and then you'll be looking at
the Ordinance one last time and then you
can pass both out at the next time and
what I'm saying is the resolution for
the uh the uh the guidance can go at the
same time and you pass the ordinance
Point clarification thank
you unless there any other questions or
further um
breakdowns so so we're moving to call
for public hearing to amend chap section
24811 and two CH 228
19 yes so a second second all in favor I
uh then next are you enjoying the
traffic safety presentations I am okay
just this is a new thing for me to do a
presentation with thank you very much
thank
you just app pointed for clarification
that will be the the second meeting in
October yes we're going to call for the
public hearing but we're not going to
have it until the second meeting in
October yes okay so the second item on
the agenda tonight is the discussion to
amend city code chapter2 um last week
we're able to have a special meeting
which I thought was very informational
and allowed us to have a very detailed
conversation uh about the matter so just
wanting to snapshot uh what was
discussed I broke it down into three
areas enforcement law and Council so the
enforcement it was identified that noise
complaints are a lower lower priority
calls which delay response times and are
restricted to Staffing constraints
however there will be future discussions
to expand uh to incorporate drones as
Force responders pending statutory uh
obligations uh areas of focus are going
to be communicating noise complaint
warnings during ship change uh
increasing education to inform offenders
of potential fines and a potential
permit process uh three seeking Clarity
on appearance tickets uh and four
granting officers the ability to seize
or remove noise reproducing
equipment uh the next area which was law
identified that plea Agreements are
commonly sought out to limit the volume
of Trials and increasing uh fee
collection and justifying attempts to
enforce penalties in full will require
or was recommended uh to increase
penalties uh to support more frequent
Court appearances and then the areas are
focused in that area was uh how many
fines were collected in 2024 uh what
information is needed to charge to file
charges or penalties uh advising
religious or cultural ceremonies of
proper conduct or potential permit
processes again and then evaluating
penalties against
installers uh the next area which was
the council or I think us uh was their
appear to be an equal consensus with
raising and keeping penalties at their
current level uh the areas of focus um
identifyed reviewing code and penalties
against Vehicles pets construction and
Firework noise offenders uh posting
signage to monitor noise and parks with
non-emerging police numbers and then
updating chapter 183 which is a noise
ordinance to raise point value for noise
complaints and then overall I just
wanted to thank my colleagues the mayor
commissioner nine assistant chief
antonovich and Miss barash for
acknowledging this greater issue or
growing issue and placing an important
emphasis on educating our community and
then in uh wanted to just capture
everything next steps were to identify
chapter 183 uh to review the process for
civilian complaints and their needed
documentation and evaluating the penalty
schedule in addition to evaluating a
potential permit process moving forward
so at this time I want to ask if there
are any Mis or any further comments
about the event from the
colleagues the only thing you said
chapter 183 was a noise when
it okay just want to thank you for
people listening other than that I think
that you've captured what we had a and
you know you know mind we had a we had a length of discussion an hour and a an
hour and a half which I think is very
beneficial but it just goes to what Mr
wall was actually saying why it's
important that we have those kind of
committee meetings outside of um the
meeting here so we can really dive in
and and have uh other individuals who
need to be there to give us information
there so thank you for pulling that
together
absolutely um I was just wondering um
did you mention the discussion that we
had and you might have um about how do
we get people to change their behavior
and be more respectful of their
neighbors in terms of that education
piece yeah I wrote that into like the
great like educating our community um
but definitely I appreciate um making
sure that that is also capture that's a
huge as
well yeah Jan just add to that very good
and detail um description I had ask um
cooperation Council to look into
legislation in terms of loudspeaker and
the exhaust if we can able to legislate
that locally here is a state law but um
our Corporation Council um is looking
into that if we can do something local
and also drone as a force responder if
we need legislation for that if we're
going to use the Drone as First
Responders so that we put some
protection to our Police Department
whenever that is um used as a for
respond the same thing also to AC you
mention forit legislation on and forit
application as we move forward to this
section thank you any other questions or
comments Mr Patrick I don't know I mean
I know I uh sent late uh my suggestions
based on our meeting on Friday and I
didn't know if others did but can we
trying to I mean I don't know I guess
the next step we have to continue this
discussion so could we um maybe have if other council members and and Mr
Williams's comments that he just made it
would be great to have all those in
front of us and to help us prepare for
when we do have the next discussion or I
would say I took into consideration so
these were not all inclusive like my
thought it was a capture of the event
and then what I received so far okay then mrb had your hand raised again
yeah I'm regarding traffic well we look
under there um there is
a currently uh in the code a section on
uh noisy vehicles um that covers a
number of uh
situations um and that uh
so these vehicles is that's looking
under
1824 uh we can also look that look at
that in conjunction with anything the
vehicle and traffic law that also deals
with loud mufflers C for for violations
of the state vehicle and traffic law and
regarding the issue as to drones and
that one way we have to be very careful
about that um invasion of privacy Etc um
because drones um have to be used in a
very circumstan type Manner and um um so
that will require research but it's
you could be peering into areas that
you're not supposed to be peering into
because it's one thing to have cameras
on a in a public way this thing is going
into private areas one must be very very
careful and uh also technology wise do
we have the technology to do that do the
officers have the ability to capture
sounds off of that and also regarding
when they're responding to the scene do
their body cameras pick up those types
of what as they're approaching the scene
is it is it picking up the the the sound
and in in realistic terms and whether
that can also be downloaded to be used
at a at a court proed so those are
obviously legal and technical issues
that have to be
addressed and actually some of those a
couple the Drone specifically I brought
up because I had concerns about what
people would be thinking about drones
flying over their houses because they're
having a party um but uh commissioner
Divine was here so we did ask them to
conern you know to bring information
about whe whether or not that's
something that we could do legally right
um so and you're right it does has have
about the noise in the ordinance already
but we the um the modified Mufflers was
one of the things which is actually in
here but uh that was there was that one
and there was one other thing about the
cars okay well I mean there may be
something in the VNT law the vehicle and
traffic law that
address that as well so we can we can
take a look at that so for the next
meeting I think it would be helpful to
have that if there's anything within the
vehicle and traffic wall to have the
information provided for us as well
sounds good anyway as far just really
quick and and you guys might have
covered this point I'm just wondering
about when we're you know responding um
and time SOB brien's Point there's
different you know are all the you know
body cans
are they all you know equipped to
measure whatever sound deciel that we're
at this cuz right now I know that you
know from my understanding it they
shaking their head no so what they told
us at the meeting was there's no there's
they don't have any Deo meetings right
now it's whether you can hear within 50
ft so if you have really good
hearing or not so great hearing uh so
that's what the assistant chief right an
noich um said that within 50 ft is the
gu right now you can hear it within 50
ft and it's to
L sounds like you guys were addressing
some of the um cultural celebrations and
things like that I just think know
already on I just kind of highlight that
make sure that because leaving things up
to a certain level of discretion can
cause you can um unintentionally but
perpetually you know some biases and
it's a tough thing to talk about but
should probably just make sure that
that's at the front of our mind will
around this
conversation and then to that point I
think just trying to evaluate areas in
which the code can be responsive to our
changing Society while still being
adherent to like emerging technology and
its um uh and his impact on people's
lives IE the drones um but then also how
do we use technology that's coming in um
to leverage to really reduce or improve
at saying the nances quality of life for our residents so I think this why
there was a really big emphasis on just
people being aware of the impact of
their actions um but then also
understanding there's no perfect
solution so the thing we kind of started
off with was this issue noise is not
something that's specific or unique
to but I do appreciate how our city is
very uh open and acknowledging of these
types of issues and seeks to address
them head on so I think with the
conversations continuing I think we'll
continue to position ourselves to
address this m
um so there any other questions or
comments Mr yeah just as a followup
regarding the vehicle and traffic law uh
under
182-pound traffic law we'll discuss that
in detail next time that section so um
everybody knows what that entails um and
the uh the uh
1825 mentions that section regarding
automobiles but it also goes through a
whole list of criteria which is but not
limited to so it's it's the whole it's
is it's broad dealing with that with
that issue it's it's included but not
limited to it's a whole different
factors the time of the day whether it's
noise the duration of the noise so um
those are all factors that our current
ordinance already covers but we will
take a look at that and uh report back
regarding vehicle traffic law uh
incorporation which is good that that
it's already that law is already
Incorporated by reference into our our
stat our ordinance so that's good
andrick is the
OT um that we discussed instead of the
decel the 80 de reading is that in here
it is in here okay it's 80
D no I know but um basically it was
explained to us that rather than using
that they're using the 50 50 foot
measure because we don't want the
device right but yeah so not I mean I
think we we're going to go to our me
other meeting and really discuss it more
but actually in our in our code it
really refers to 25
ft what uh assistant chief anovich I
think he was talking about the vehicle
and traffic about another ordinance
because in here it says 25 clearly
25 so that's um on page no I got see
that any other questions or comments
hearing
on so moving on to the last agenda item
is the appointment of Anthony Jud to the
civilian police review
board
uh hello um Anthony Jud has shown
interest in participating in the
civilian police review board his resume
was brought forth by deine and Carl
brought it forth to the mayor um the
mayor did meet with him on Wednesday
August 28th and was want to proceed and
appointing him to the
board yeah so thank you for that so
um yes okay so so Mr he probably met him
he's been here several times maybe you
know he was CU one of the two gentlemen
that have been coming here to the
meetings um pretty consistently and uh
showed an and they actually forwarded
their resume and in Miss paler and Mr
Williams just trying to make sure it got
pushed through the process so there was
two of them that actually were
interested and so one of them the mayor
met with yes and chose um Mr Jud yes
there you have questions
comments motion second second all those
in favor all are there any items that
call Public Safety hearing have motion
so move so move second CL in favor I we
are I would like to call the finance
committee to order on the fourth item is
the 20 24 2025 final annual action plan
allocation Vice Miss
car good evening City Council Members
I'll bring before you a updated revised
um version of our 20124 25 annual action
plan after another review with HUD we
had to make some slight adjustments to
our plan and make sure that we were
aligned with our regulatory caps that we
need to adhere to so I listed them out
um we had to lessen our home admin by $
7,325 192 we had to increase our Habitat
Humanity funding project by
$7,295 Habitat for Humanity home is a
Cho and we have to have a minimum of 15%
of our allocation go to towards Cho and
it's the one home project that had room
um to still increase and we moved two
cdbg projects and recategorize them in
our nrsa area which is our neighborhood
revitalization strategy area and those
include the Empowerment Center and boys
and girls club we move them because if
they are in the nrsa area they don't
have there is no cap so it allowed us to
continue to funding with the other items
under just regular cdbg which has a 7.5%
um allocation cap
the ACT today is um for city council to
accept the new the revised annual action
plan um with the Amendments
indicated questions
comments sitting now may have a motion
to move this
forward all in favor I thank you thank you the next item is the
police department fees and revenue
proposal assistant chief
R so back last year when we were going
over the budget um one of the items take
away from the budget was um looking at
our fees some of our fees are outdated
and this is a step that I have taken
after the budget into this year to kind
of look at it and um here we are today
with the police department presenting
their fee for
full assistant chief it's all yours
thank you very much uh so we going start
off there's four different areas where I
think the fees can be increased uh to
start
with we will go to the false alarm fees
uh right now we'll get into what the
actual false alarm fees are in the next
slide but a false alarm is charged after
four free false alarms within the city
so if there's basically we go to
someone's business or residence four
different times uh for false alarm for
faulty wiring or um the failure to
maintain their alarm system we go there
four times for free and the fifth one we
charge $25 the second one we charge 50
third 75 and 12 125 Beyond from there so
in 2022 we took in a total of
13,750 and 23 the 36,000 and so far Year
date we taken in
35,000 it's section 124 is actually the
city code gives us what the persistant
false alarm actually is um the yellow is
what I propose as a change um one word
goes from the two from the four to the
two U this was last adopted in 1996 as
well and the penalties for the offense
are would stay exactly the same uh
because the the code
itself uh determines what a persistent
false alarm actually is so that the
penalties would stay the same so all in
all if we move the free alarms from 4
down to 2 uh the city could expect
between 20 to $25,000 a year additional
Revenue the reason why as it's important
that we do this is uh people do have the
options to get these fixed so we're not
spending all of our time there most
these police calls involved all of them
should by protocol have two officers go
so sometimes it's two cars sometimes
it's one car with two officers but
whenever there's an alarm um it's a
higher priority call than actually it's
like the loud music calls um it's we
take every seriously like it's a Burg in
progress or something serious going on
so we go lights and Sirens there stuff
happens um it increases the danger for
the officers and other people in the
city so by doing this um hopefully it
gets people motivated to get their
alarms fixed and also if they don't it
will generate more revenue for the
city can we should we ask questions
during the presentation it's up to
have ask question as we go for
so go ahead please okay my question is um if you could just go
back to the uh slide where it's talking
about yeah the
fees I they're they're low those fees
are low um I'm only building on the
discussion that we had the other evening
about the noise compliance yes um so
I'm I'm just wondering if other people
feel like those are really low and
should be increasing them or thinking
about increasing them so so I will say
that I dropped the ball on this and on
other ones I have uh recommendations or
information from other towns and cities
this one I did not look up what
other well we did look at it because
we're actually dropping the amount of
free calls from four to two so there
will be more Revenue in the back end so
yes we can increase it but at the same
time we're expanding no I I by the way
we are still getting in Revenue
additional revenue of um on the highend
of $25,000 and that's the best estimate
okay
great go ahead so yeah I I I would
agree Patrick I think what she's
refering to is that that increasing
those fees I would say increasing the
fees as well as um you know reducing the
amount of quotequote food CS I think
that um but I guess my question is now
this one includes on like fire alarms at
a business this is not fire alarms I
know the fire department is working on
something else this is just the false
alarms Security Alarms okay okay okay
they I believe that they are working on
something as okay
good oh sorry how successful are we at
collecting the Fe that we currently have
know so I don't have the Law Department
actually does that for us so I don't
know I don't know off hand okay I don't
know you can go back to current um data
this is what we have in previous years
it's currently yeah but that doesn't
tell me how many calls there were for
the
income so I can get you that as well
liutenant on midnights he puts
everything together and sends out our
Law Department I believe it is bi-weekly
and I can have I can figure out how many
times I guess oh I guess lot the farm
actually but they but they bill out from
there so I can follow up with the answer
to that great so were we looking for a
list of the calls no not at all so in
2022 let's use that for an example we
know the income was
13,750 we do not know what the income
generated from how many calls there were
how many false alarms there were because
we don't we just don't know the number
so how many false alarms it take to
generate that amount of money in that
year and and also did every false alarm
actually get paid did people actually
pay after when they were built so there
may have been like let's say we build I
don't
know 100 or something and then did did
all 100 people pay or did only 75 people
pay so we don't know know that data so
it would be helpful when we we see the
income we just don't know what generated
the
income when we were going through this
you had a list of all the
calls a snapshot of some of the calls is
that you can use that very same report
to generate um previous years and to see
um to attach the collection to that yes
so I should be able to go back I know I
have 24 and 23 I don't know previously
the I questioned the um why there's such
a different in there and I believe it
was how we provided data to the live arm
and when they actually build them out so
I think there was a change in process
along the way but I can look to see if I
can get a number of how many people
actually build and how many PID I can
see if we can get a
Redemption no sorry so had two points
definitely to miss Patrick's Point I
would like to see the fees increased cuz
one of my thoughts is what is the
opportunity cost or what is the cost of
the office responding to that and we
were going to another incident
throughout the city um but I also want
to kind of caution us that finding that
right balance so we to see what your um
research provides because although fees
are Revenue generating like you go too
high and then you can kind of zero out
that line so definitely it does require
bit of finesse
absolutely what what is what is the
suggestion to
raise I would like to see what other I
don't have I don't have a suggestion
I just want to say that when we consider
as we're talking about these fees these
aren't the only fees we're talking about
no I I want to make sure that you know
we just aren't like feing people pict
yes we have to definitely look at the
big
picture so we can come back to this SL
in terms of the
fees the next one is a much smaller one
it's a records
fee we currently charge $20 for somebody
who asks for a a letter of Good Conduct
or a uh letter for criminal history to
show that they are they don't have a
criminal history um some people want to
provide it to businesses or landlords
that I'm being told we only you about 50
of these a year it's not a very common
thing um I believe it was 2000 the last
time you just looked at and it was $20
back then so um I suggested a $40 fee to
that and it's would raise 1,000 $2,000
depending on how many
um employers we get for the year but
that is
a go ahead please um so for so for
number three when you're ask talking
about the U arrest files Etc how far are
you looking I mean we just looking at
Connected are we looking in New York
state I don't have that answer I I can
look for you I believe that is a all of
all state I believe I believe that's all
New York state but all New York State I
believe so I could get an answer for
that from our records and the other
second part of that is that you say it
says free to authorize agencies um what
constitutes an authorized agency and why
aren't they pay paying
for as well as an individual I believe
that's like another Police Department or
a this establishes fees only for the
police department so I believe that
would be for uh FBI New York State
police they'll send us records back and
forth and I believe that's was put in
there to limit that but I I don't have
the official answer so just if you so to
expand on that just like say for
instance you want to hire somebody and
you can you get this information as well
can I ask the police department for that
I'm interested hiring someone no if I
want to well if we're going to hire
somebody then we have to figure if you
want somebody else have to sign off on
it and you would have to authorize you
to get it okay and provide a letter we can't do it without that person's
authorization in that case let's say I'm
willing I want this job I'm going to
sign it would you then um charge the
agency or organization that's going to
hire for that record so we've never done
that before I don't know if we can do
that but um I've never seen that happen
before this is usually I guess for when
people travel also when they apply for
pieces they need one of these um it's a
letter that the records does a
background check they submit a letter
the chief has to sign off on it and say
that what the records
are oh obiously okay
but I have a vis I don't know I I I
didn't know that people needed that kind
of stuff okay I guess it possibly
depending where you're traveling to
okay that's it for this
section the next one goes into the
parking findes this is a bigger one uh
New York State set some limits to some
parking fines or some fees to city
council you U you guys said many more
and next this right here is a summary of
the top 10 items that can be changed and
they're all that had over 112 or over
100 issued within the last year so we
did a rolling 12- month average U and I
looked at Troy Albany and I have a
little bit more information on them as
well but currently right now most of the
fees are set is
$35 and
I believe that the city last looked at
them I think they looked in 2011
possibly was the last time I see an
ordinance change I don't know if
something was added or if the fees were
changed at that time but there's a lot
of them were
$35 Troy re uh did theirs in
2016 where they increased a lot of them
to around
$50 they also adopted something that
went from uh it doubled after 2 weeks
where right now currently we have a
doubling after 20 days and they tripled
it after 60 days in 2016 Albany has not
looked at theirs in over 20 years um so
they're they are lower than what we're
proposing but the last time get the
order updated it was at minimum 13 years
ago but probably longer longer than that
so I put in there the last 12 months how
many a beach to those tickets were
issued by our parking department or some
of times our officers and what it would
mean if we were to increase it in yellow
would be the suggested increase and the
blue is what the overall find would be
in the end and the last column is the
impact of what kind of Revenue we
generated if everything stay constant
over the next 12 months for the top 10
there's six or seven others that have
under 100 um that we would look at as
well but those are the the top 10 fig
I'd start there
those that are we can increase the
others we can out because these ones are
you can you can increase all these
regulation yeah there the max allowed
column is where New York State B&T
determines what the maximum you can
charge is for different items that we'll
be able to find um the fire hydrant
actually could not find anything that
says what the maximum was but I know New
York City does $115 that's why I know we
can go at least to
115 yes go ahead please uh I I just
wanted to say like I appreciate it the
breakdown gave a lot of context and I
would say as one of the first
presentations regarding F Cris um I
appreciate your responsiveness to the
issue and then I would say snapshotting
this and using this as a template uh cuz
definitely U I wouldn't call out other
municipalities but it helps us
understand just where we gauge in the
exactly that's why it was on this
yeah any other question on this slide
all right no I'm just just kind of
reference the impact if we had this be
at the beginning of this year we would
have seen an impact of$
242,000 yes sir in 12 months rolling so
6 months or 9 months of this year 3
months of last year yes so it's a
significant um Revenue um increase their
part Police Department go ahead please
so I I don't know that this is exactly
you know I just know that they're close
related and again I think it's
mentioning it's just especially when
we're talking about parking tickets um
there are you know there studies
National studies and I haven't you know
we haven't looked at our I haven't
looked at our city data but you just
have to be mindful about like what type
of fees we increase because we can
unintentionally um impact uh certain
marginalized Community FaceTime the way
that the
um durability to parve is the way that
um you know some neighborhoods have you
know more driveways some there's there's different contributing factors
to how we can unintentionally impact
certain communities more than others so
I just want to highlight that I just
think that it's something that we should
be mindful that and we if we're just
looking to increase the Fe it looks like
we definitely should be doing in some
areas
that just increasing the fees you know
there's a greater there can be a greater
impact to the large
community you
yes go ahead please m i I brought that
up the other day when we were talking
about the noise violations um because
the Fe increases are suggested are quite
High um and it was pointed out to me
that again we're I I forget the exact
language but that we're trying to get
people to change their behavior and so
you
know we might have to increase the fees
to a certain extent because I don't want
use the word punitive but you know we
are trying to to be punitive um we are
hoping that people I I don't want to put
words but you guys were were very good
in the way that you responded to me
about that the other day umz I was
talking about you know poor kinds of
populations um but I got that I thought that was a good response to my query I I think the whole Drive is
to have this effective January 4 so we
have uh we have a couple months to to do
an educational um outy Behavior we talk
about last week at the public safety
meeting to kind of educate people that
this is this is going to happen so we're
not going to like pass it next week and
then enforce of the following week
January
4st so so um
I first I'll speak to what you just
talked about the difference in this is
that you have a choice over how loud
you're going to play your music that's a
decision that you make however if
there's a limited parking on your street
then you can only work within those
perimeters so I don't know that there're
necessarily things that we can equally
um compare CU I want to have a loud
party I'm going to turn it up whether
you like it or not but if there's
limited parking and I'm I'm you know I
have to work within those parameters so
I'm not sure if that's that's a
comparison that um that I would really
make in terms of um people's ability to
pay um because you made a decision or
you don't really have any place else to
park so um there's that the other thing
I wanted to know and will this impact it
and should we take a look at it some of
our part parking signs are a little bit
outdated and they were put up when
people were working at GE and they
worked these interesting hours and so
you couldn't park at a certain time on
one side of the street versus the other
side of the street so if we're talking
about um changing um the fees rep
parking should we also be looking to
make sure that how we currently have our
signage Mak sense for how people work
today I think that's something we should
um because now some people have
alternate parking they don't even pay
attention to it I see parking on both
sides of the screen on a regular basis
because the signs just really don't make
sense cuz people don't work like they
did for those hours when G was like the
main employer in the city of skac so I
think we would have to take that I know
that that's going to take a lot because
if we have to pay for signs do a study
do all those things however those are
things that we should all also be taking
a look at well well not only people who
don't who work some people who don't
work doesn't even go they move their car
so it's it's a two-way you know to that
people just need to comply you know just
like the noise news people playing loud
music we're going to increase the field
you come into compliance if not you're
going to have to pay the violation same
thing we need you know to clean up the
street and get people to comply with
regulation you park on the wrong side
you're going to get ticket they're
parking they're parking all over the
place but does our parking make sense
though that's we have to take a look
does make sense for how we live now yeah
well what we'll need to do is make sure
that we have updated signs across the
city if we're going to enforce this
signs need to be placed across updated
sign new signs and put that in place so
people are aware that parking on either
side is within a given days
violation go ahead please so I
appreciate president P for that
distinction cuz you know definitely one
is more I think that when you're talking
about parking feeds and and the reason
why they have these these National
studies is because
um unintentionally I would say in some
places and and certainly by Design in
other places um you start
to uh kind of take advantage of the most
marginalized people in your community
and and start to increase fees based off
them based on the fact that there is um
and not not just the case of of limited
uh parking but there's also the
enforcement strategies which is more you
know would be more up to the police
department as well to kind of consider
those things as just we have to keep
that in front of our in front of our
mind cuz if not we can have these really
good policies that make a lot of sense
increase our Revenue um but we can be
doing it off the GL of most vulnerable
population in the city now we just
always have to ask ourselves the
questions when we doing any of these
things right because if
it if it if we're increasing the fee and
we're going to you know bring in another
$200,000 but 80 to 90% of that
$200,000 is coming from you know you
know
two or three neighborhoods that just
happen to be the uh neighborhoods that
the design is far more likely for
someone to be out of compliance with the department and that's something
that you just have to
consider you don't have the data for
that you have the
data so so what I what I was saying
question so what what I said uh in the
beginning of of what my statement was I
was talk referring to more to Nationals
Trends and the first thing I said was I
haven't looked at the data within our
city there something to be mindful of
and pay attention because if we increase
this without looking at the data we can
unintentionally perpetuate that outcome
so it so we would so I wasn't making a
statement that what's happening I'm
saying if we're changing something then
we need to be mindful of that or we
won't be being
accurate clear well we have to we have
to make sure that we encourag the police
to do across the board and no no
Community or no neighborhood should be
targeted but apply apply it across the
entire city when they're doing
enforcement or when they're bulying um
tickets
well I was just going to say I mean you
guys probably have data my neighborhood
um in terms of breakdown of these
tickets so I've never seen it but I'm
going ask Adam behind you do you know is
that possible through the the software y
okay so it is possible for us to see
that
so has gotten tickets
can make a note and provide that to the
counil
please so looking for a breakdown of
tickets per is it Go by zone or does it
go by area where you think it goes
by no it's not a Zone like we consider
the neighborhood Zone it might be a Zone
but there's no correlation between that
zone in in our system uh compared to
what there is uh in the city um you know
we enforce where the signs are available
so so so to the point of you know where
do be enforce we enforce where we can
enforce uh there are neighborhoods um
that there is no signage but it makes
sense because some of the streets are
wider uh the the neighbor of the uh
driveways are longer so a lot of this uh
enforcement is is not
necessarily Revenue generator but it's it's a safety aspect too you have
neighborhoods that have narrow streets
and you have uh bothside parking you
can't get emergency Personnel down there
um and often times the signs indicate
the season right so there's more
prohibitions during certain seasons for
the obvious reasons of snow fall some of the ones that I know that are
kind of different there'll be no parking
aside from 1:00 a.m. to 6 a the reason
is because the street street sweepers
will come down can you just come on up I
thought oh yeah the camera is focusing
yeah we he turn to you but yeah you're
providing a lot of information uh so
some of the some of the signs that we
might not have a comprehensive
understanding to at least at face value
do serve a legitimate purpose the
example I was saying before is no
standing this side 1:00 a.m. to 6: a.m.
uh you know you think what is that about
but but it's uh it's for street street
sweeping so obviously it just makes more
sense to have that um but that said you
know again we we we tick it where we can
and enforce where we can and um I don't
know why they decided to put things in
certain areas uh you know maybe it's a
for a broader discussion you know can we
use more enforcement can can you know we
have more or less restrictions to your
point I don't know you know that's I
don't
know go ahead thanks I think that some I
mean I you know I mean I think about
some of the streets um like brandy wine
or you know mcen I
mean parking is crazy and it's really
difficult so I think related to the
previous discussion about traffic
control and and speeding I mean I think
some of those things have must come into
the into consideration as well in terms
of where the signage is and I I can
think you know just driving around the
city and having to park in a lot of
different areas um where it might be
time in a lot of areas it's alternate
side based on the days of the week
Monday Wednesday Friday versus you know
Tuesday Thursday Saturday um it's you
know I'm I would think that maybe has to
do with traffic um what's the word I'm
looking
uh the number the numbers of cars the
congestion congestion on the streets as
well um so there is that the uh parking
enforcement officers drive around
obviously they um they have different
zones that they all go to and they
switch them up daily or regularly and
also during the day if somebody calls
him with a parking complaint during the
day they're dispatched automatically so
somebody calls in and says that there's
a parking multiple cars here uh we had
for civilians now we're down to two so
we're hopefully getting them back up um
they will drive around and they'll go
right there and issue the the ticket
right then and there so that's besides
their normal Patrol they they do respond
to the areas people call complain dur
the
day go ahead quick question so um I I
imagine it's definitely Chief Clifford's
call will we be able to interested
Shadow around that persective job on the
ticketing oh absolutely yeah absolutely
y got R right now they're working you
know days Monday through Friday and uh
if there somebody's interested
absolutely
right just C they ride a bike some do so
we have the one off Main rides the bike
downtown and they're also in a car
that's marked Park enforcement as well
I'll do if I can use the electric bike
yeah AB we actually have't for parking
for we do so are you saying that we can
get a breakdown um by neighborhood I
suspect I don't think
there the only thing that may be lab for
intensive depending on how I I may have
to run we may have to run data by street
right instead of just my
neighborhood but I'm sure it's just yeah
if we want that how far back do we want
to go I will say 6 months yeah because
it's going to take a lot of time going
to be um taking up to do that 6 months 3
months I think I think I can do a year
be a lot of work entire year with 6,000
we want to use the same data set that
we're using for projections sense you
want to do the
same this is 831 23 and 91 of 24 is what
that Let's do let's do this the same
recort here this is one we can move hard
go ahead please so just CU I it's
important that we have Clarity around
these issues I think that like so um and
I appreciate like I don't know exactly
why they you know put signs places and
I'm sure that well I I would give the
benefit of the doubt to say that when
some of these signs and regulations um
were put in place that they were done so
in good faith I um I definitely would
assume that um our Law Enforcement
Officers act in good faith when is
issuing you know tickets uh so on and so
forth um so that that idea is not an
opposition to us um kind of looking at
the impact of what we're of of of what
that enforcement looks like and just to
be aware of how these things can
perpetuate certain inequities throughout
society and and and we're not
disconnected and we're not you know
and that that includes us so again so
the point I'm making is that there's no
um intention around I'm not assigning
any any intention to this but what I'm
saying is that if we're not
intentionally to know about taking those
measurements and kind of really asking
ourselves the hard questions that no one
likes to talk about but me a lot of time
in like and we end up you know
perpetuating something so just want to
be really clear about that but I
appreciate you what we genu through and
the
transparency any other question on this
Slide the next one is some of our anal
control fees well some of these are not
through the police department it's
through the clerk's office but it's we
were very closely together in these so
I'm was including them in here in the
presentation currently right now the
city is charging
$20.50 for a a dog license if they're
altered 1350 if they're unaltered and
then it goes down if you're a senior or
um older the surrounding towns and City
we had Nuna is $20 for $30 Aly was 16
and 23 and then Troy is 15 and 20
the r section is 114 and it's a little
complicated as far as there's multiple
layers multiple things that go into what
the dog license fee is so I have it
broken down here crossed out the dollar
value and put the the new dollar value
that's recommended in here the next
slide will show you kind of what the
bottom line is if this makes sense so
that the the new fee recommendation
would be uh $7.50 in increase on the
altered $7 on the unaltered and then $3
250 for the senior citizens and this
would increase the revenue between $8
$110,000 per year it depends on if
somebody order or pays for a one year
twoyear or multi-year placement so it
could fluctuate a little bit
but so Miss Michael this align with your
C for service it does it does yes
so who gets those feed with where is the
actual City to the Clark's office is
that correct it gets deposited into the
general fund well you take in your
office Tak we take it in yes get posi to
the
goes
I go to shouldn't that go to
the uh the police du to like the of for
that or that the way how it's written is
like directed to the par office but it's
kind of like enforced by the police
department Sam you can you can explain
more about how the enforcement about
that sorry
well yeah the Animal Control Officers
when they do go out or they find
unlicensed animal you know the the uh
dog is then taken to mov Hudson Society
there's a Redemption fee involved and
also then they have to license their
pet that's the police
component but the the they come to your
office to do the licing my office to do
all
that I believe that's like different all
talented things that I saw went to the
clerk's office usually for the for the
feast dog still can't
drive uh just a question and Mr br I
appreciate your uh background also if
needed could we discuss potentially
expanding the senior citizen category to
include like medically qualifi positions
in which someone needs a service animal
and then also potentially like service
members where like it's beenen to like a
system their integration back into
society I think that's already in the
code that those areas are already
exempt I'm looking ahead at the next
slide and I'm I'm wondering about the
exemptions that are being taken away so there it's it is in the code I was
looking to remove it actually yeah
they're removing it that that's it's already in the code right now aen
Market's law says that M municipality
May exempt an animal but then uh the
American Disability Act has changed it
so you cannot ask for documentation you
can only ask two questions and we're
getting customers coming in um refusing
to to provide answers provide
documentation um just making it so much
more
difficult the the Americans with
Disabilities acts have very limited uh
regulations as as as the city clerk has
pointed out what sort of questions you
can ask and they're very limited in
scope to for the for the federal RS so
um it's it's what what the council wants
to do whe want to you what I'm seeing up
there is five is being deleted it's what
that's a poliy decision for you all to
make that policy decision if you want to
U continue with the exemptions or or or
not Sam what is your recommendation
remove my recommendation was removing
our our our ordinance covers every like
service animal therapy animal everything
like everything um
but one we don't me to under ion markets
and two under Ada they say service
animals and there's a differentiation
between service and therapy but we we
can't really differentiate based on the
two
questions go ahead please I I feel that
servicing I I I like the exemption um
for Veterans for service for service
animals um therapy dogs
well obviously the detection I mean
those wouldn't be charged what's that it
says detection so that must be like a
police animal that's looking for drugs
or something like that I mean I don't
know why we wouldn't exemp that that's
like an employee of the
city um right I mean so if they lived in
the city yes if there was a city
employee that had the look like they
would have to register the
doll pay the pay the $40 or the $28 we
haven't had one year is that live in the
city because the uh the animal with the
police department stay with whoever the
train is right right so they live the
what you I know I H that
but I just think those animals should be
exempt remain exle from what I got from
Miss Miku it wasn't like any bias it was
just an inability to evaluate those so
that's causing administrative bird and
thre can be responsive to her office's
needs
an alternative I believe there are funds
available um to D worth with to get
funds from people who couldn't pay the fee so if there was a
hardship I don't know how many
exemptions or on the sheets that I saw I
think there was only like six or seven
at for certain amount of months I looked
at the data so if there was if those
people couldn't for if we did decide to
get rid of it and there was somebody
needed it there are funds available for
them to pay for so it doesn't stop you
from giving exemption you you still have
the authority to give
exemption is that if we remove it it
you're removing it then the exemption
done exemptions
right
yeah I would say let's let's put this on
hold and and go through the the process
of the public hearing then we can say
because the consern table is like we
should keep that and I I think we
should we should keep it the
exemption unless we Define it a little
bit as a one
what is examp I think I think the clerk
saying elate and I say like making my
position known hearing her response and
there's a pot of money that is might who
can direct those individuals to I think
it captures it it's a win okay all
right do we do we need to put
ofion well it all depends I mean if
there if okay we'll talk you know I can
yes good we've been talking about
parking fees and now dog fees so the go
required city code also require public
hearings regarding these two public
hearings I would recommend since they're generating money for the city
which will have an impact on the budget
perhaps you would want to do these
hearings at the same night you're doing
the budget you don't have to but it's it's dealing with Revenue items
that as you go through the rest of
October you
may use as you're making your
projections and you're creating your
budget
and then after you have that public
hearing then you have the budget being
adopted and then you have the ordinances
that need to be changed to con with the
amounts of fees that you increase this
way it's all one one pro I'm just it's
I'm just throwing that out for for for
you all to consider that you would have
the public hearing on that same night
because it's dealing with fees which
will as you saw will have an impact on the budget so that way it's in total
and then
the budget is dealt with and then uh
depending on how you work on the budget
you can amend the ordinance to conform
with the budget so do we need two public
hearing you would need two public
hearings the reason being is because
you're dealing sorry there's five I
think for if you were to go through
change everything you want I think
because I think they weren't quite
certain about I I think about what I
think they weren't you weren't quite
certain about the first part of the
hearing uh first part I'm just focusing
on the uh the
uh parking and now the dog dog parking
it's not parking only we're all fees and
then uh I think I think if false alarm
fees I think you need more information
regarding the false alarm Fe so I don't
know if that's ready for a public
hearing yet you may need to and whether
that's going to have a significant
amount of Revenue I don't know but I
mean you can
always you can call for public hearings
on all those items and then deal with
that before the next the next committee
cycle and then you know Mark everything
up and then it will be ready for the
public hearing and then you'll have a
draft
ordinance
I public heing going on the same night
for the every for the
uh
publics oh there was the The False Alarm
fees if you were to
increase FAL if you were to if you were
going to change what the false alarm
definition was and if you're going to
change the false alarm fees structure
and then there was the parking finds the
records and then the control
Fe oh the records also
okay any that's the last slide no uh two
more quick ones so Mr M I want to make
my point about exemption I'm I'm going
do with Miss um Miss Mike that they
should be taken away because right now
people don't have to answer any
questions no that's okay I yeah I'm fine
with that I was thinking about you know
but then there there's a part of money
that can be used to help individual and
those situation I'm and so so we're
talking about five public hearings on on
the night just be clear night so five
plus what you may want to do is the
bigger items are the dog license fees
and and the parking fees the parking
fees that you saw would generate a lot
of Revenue if those fees were to go
through so perhaps you just have the
parking fees on the same night as the uh the budget heing because
that's probably the most significant
amount of money that I've saw yeah no I
recommend that we do all at the same
time I get it over with I mean it small
they small public hearing maybe
you few people yeah my my bigger concern
is like people know what they're going
to be about there so many yeah cuz it
can that's a lot that's a
lot what does the next SL tell us what
the total a lot of money is
can no 8 to 10,000 a year for
the depending on the year depending on
if they're one two or three year renewal
Cycles so we could still have the public
hearing implemented it without I mean
after the budget season yeah this yes
we're going to pass it and it's going to
take in January for so we have enough
time to to a PA out there and let people
know that hey this is what's going to
happen well ask Michelle to to kind of
put it on the website to people know
that January 4st these changes are
coming into
place cuz that's not a huge budget
impact no it's not a hug just something
that we need to address these small
little
things next two next this is this is a
very quick one uh we do have grant money
and we also have have uh money in cap
and you guys provide us with capital
funding in the past um so we are looking
to do a new kennel facility in the city
and when we do do that there will be
options for more more Revenue that may
or may not require some assistance for
you guys and helping us do that but uh
right now if we get a new facility we
can look to at lease canel space to
other municipalities we're having
trouble U post trainings there's a lot
that we'd like to do that's another hour
something don't do that and then look
into the countywide agreement instead of
having Justice City be involved there's
other people that would like to be part
of our agreement but uh they're more or
less locked out of the agreement so
possibly we could look to expand it
countywide with that and the last one uh
I know that the council gave the mayor
the option to look at keyas rates and
change those they were last change in
2020 and I recommend at some point a
group looks at those fees to see if
they're still in line with what they
should be is that an engineer is that an
engineer
thing yes
so yes engineering engineering helps set
the set the initial fees so I don't know how the initial fee
structure was set um I have the initial
fee I have what they are today um they
haven't changed since 2020 but have
something to to think about looking at
and seeing if that uh they should be
updated
we whenever we updated Park and we have
to coordinate natural M we we'll get to
you okay that's the last slide that's it any other
questions so if we were to move forward
this we need to call for public hearing
and I think it's like three public
hearing because we're not doing with
parking rates because that would have to
fall on the engineering and we're not
touching on that and high remote
control is are correct so we need to
call for public hearing for false
alarm public hearing for the parking
fines we're not doing a parkings we
don't have the RS and Animal Control Fe
fre public heing and the
records on record yeah records oh yeah
sorry record it's not records fals
records animal right go ahead Miss
I thought we waiting for the feedback of
other municipalities for the false
alarms so I have written down I'm going
to come back I'm I'll email out what the
bills were versus what was paid and what
other municipalities are charging for
their false armarm Fe so that's my one
takeaway my other takeaway is the
oneyear same data set we used there of
zones for parking that's good any other
information we need from assistant I
think that that's what we asking here so
we need to call for call public care for
records call for public hearing for the
alarm false alarm we need to call for
public hearing parking findes and we
need to call for public hearing and
Animal Control
Fe go ahead please C can't call for
public hearing if we're still looking at
adjust trade so no we're not adjusting
the this is the L we just asking for
backup false alarm I I was looking for
more context that increase the rates but
we're trying to identify what rates it's
getting off on that one so we can hold
off on that one the false alarm right so
it's records so what I do we'll proceed
to call for public hearing for the
records October
15 I have a motion second call in favor
I so we'll skip the false alarm and wait
on the backup documents
I call for a public hearing on the
parking findes for October
15th are we going to wait for that too
wait for the information that talk
about well we have the backup he's just
going to spread it out for us in more
detail and we have that before the
15th so this just calling and setting
the public hearing we have almost a
month to get that
information you have
yeah you have another committee meeting
between we have one we still have a Mee
committee meeting so you can pass it
maybe final version that that evening
and still be in time for the public
hearing we still have
time thing going back to the false
alarms trying to leverage our time now
do we call it and then in between that
we still have time to adjust it yeah
that's exactly yeah cuz we still have
almost month to get that information and
I'm pretty sure we get that in a week or
two from p and that will give us enough
time to kind of like two weeks out to
kind of like review it internally
between ourselves and then the public
hearing is on the 15th let's listen to
the public we came back come back to the
table and we can like iron it out and
move
our so I so are you saying that you
think that we should have the public
hearing on the 15th for the
fils were you asking in terms of timing yes is that your
question my question was was if we're
doing that in similar context was like
another area I just want to make it
known I I very much want to increase the
rates for the false alarms is just
identifying what rates there are so if
we're trying to like hedge time like we
will we will uh word the uh word the
public hearing notice they calling for
an increase in the public amendment that
of that particular part of the code
calling for an increase in the
uh fine amounts so that would be what
the public will be on notice for the
legislation we
follow and then look at the other
municipality we'll come back to the
council with I will share with the
council have assistant and chief shared
with the Council of the municipality way
they have for false
alarm
okay so we did go through with the call
public hearing for the record so we can proceed to call for public
hearing on the false alarm feed for
October
15th so second second all in favor I and
then we'll call for a public Hearing in
October the 15th for parking fine
fees second all in favor I and then
we'll call for public hearing and the
animal control fee October
15 so uh so moved again all in favor I I
thank
you we we'll get to work and we'll
provide all the information that is
needed there a hand waving in the hair
back there what are we doing with
paring no we we'll have a meeting with
you regards to
the unless you ready to go no I'm just
kidding yeah I just want we we'll
provide all the information that was
asked U to the conso so that we can uh
proceed with this in a timely
manner the next
item review collecting feedback from
City residents on our cbgs like CV
funding to prevent prepare for and
respond to Corona virus
projects um there a public hearing was
held on the
9th start here I beg
pardon are there any questions there
were no um speakers there were no
speakers are there any questions
comments on
this we need to we need to move so I
have a motion to to to move this
resolution
can I have a
second closing out this matter it would
be a motion to closing out the public
hearing with then there was no comments
and the report will go forward to
the the agency that's was just to hear
what the motion it would be a motion to
close out the public hearing and and you
know send the report to the Federal
responsible for this fund okay think did
you and second second all in favor any
other business or Finance motion to
adjourn second all in favor I I'd like
to call to order uh City development and
planning there are 10 items on the
agenda and I will would like to add a
couple more ceremonial resolutions just
so you're aware um Mr Wall's here so the
first item is the award viid contract
for the city hall that ation
replacement uh so the first award bidden
contract we have is for like it says
City Hall ventilation replacement there
are two bids for this one is an
electrical one is mechanical we did the
Electrical uh several weeks ago
mechanical we didn't get a bid because
of some labeling we did come back out
put out a bid and received a low bid
from R&B mechanical um the second bid
was considerably higher from Hecker we
did talk with R&B mechanical we have
done a lot of work with R&B mechanical
and they are confident in their number
so we are confident in them and we're
recommending to move
forward any questions concerns move this
second all in favor I uh item number two
awarding been contract for the watt
Street and car Street Park improvements
to car Construction Wallen um this is a
we're calling it a was Street Safety
project um it's a project we've been
working with the members of the
Congressional gate to Heaven Cemetery
committee um because of the unique
configuration of watch Street the fence
has been hit multiple times uh over the
course of the history of the cemetery uh
they've asked the city to try to
mitigate that um so what we have is
we've designed a uh di rail system with
chevr we're looking to possibly install
a couple of solar power light up
Chevrons cuz a lot of these do happen at
night uh where it is a you geometry that
we're not looking to have uh very unique
in the area um and this also have a a
modified driveway and then we're also
working with uh the carish street park
and trying to work with the people there
to pick away at their master plan um a
little bit at a time this will extend
their sidewalk to the basketball court
little connection and then for some pads
so that they can install some benches
around the area that's
great any questions concerns a motion
second all those in
favor thank you and item number three
excuse me award biding contract for
disconnected fire station number one H
HVAC and Generator upgrades uh so
similar to the City Hall of ventilation
this was uh the DC portion of a four bid
Wix law project we already awarded three
the mechanical the electrical and the
plumbing we did have a hard time finding
a GC we were able to um call a couple of
people and get them to bid the low bid
is MJG construction we have not worked
with them they are relatively local out
of Bon Spa we did call we have
references they have worked with the
county and they have worked with um a
couple of the sub other main contractors
on the project which is how they were
called and referenced so um with all
that said we were comfortable that they
understand the job and be able to work
uh from the other groups that are here
they significantly lower than that Yep
this
uh this work is for the GCM this
particular job is
not two two lbers it's a it's a lot of
repairing ceiling tiles and penetrations
and things the majority of the work I
mean if you were look at you had all the
bids in front of you the hbac work is
actually $1.3 million that's the HC CU
that's the bulk of the work I don't even
know if the plumbing component is small
the electric component is small GC is
small it's really Tak V AC job which is
why we're having a hard time going and I
would also think that um because the
contractors know that this was the third
bike at the Apple that they probably you
know oh increased a little bit knowing
that the city was in a bench uh and this
contractor cly not as much but um like I
say we we have faith in our references
and the people that we talk to and we're
looking forward to
working thank you questions comments
move this second all in favor
I thank you thank you Mr
R uh so the um next one is just is a
ceremonial resolution recognizing Cancer
month which is October something we
generally try to do every year uh
entertain a motion second all in favor
and the next ceremonial resolution we
all received an email from Business and
Professional women asking for actually
they ask for Proclamation but we do
resolutions so um putting forth to do a
resolution for the woman who's being
honored this year for woman of the
year uh what's her name Jennifer
Hendrick fog so I'll Contin a motion so
Mo second all in
favor item number six is a reminder of
the ceremony renaming of a portion of
Barrett street from Heron Street to the
intersection of South Avenue to Marlene
Hill way there was a public hearing held
on oh excuse me the public hearing will
be held on
923 Mr M there no that's all right thank
you just a reminder public hearing is uh
next Monday 700 p.m. okay thank you and
I would like to ask the uh council's
Indulgence to um
forward a couple more um resolutions I
just actually came forward one of them
if you read yesterday's paper there's a
young man who currently resides in our city uh James Jac Thomas who's been
inducted into the Hall of Fame as we
speak uh so want to be able to recognize
him with the ceremonial
resolution so Mo second all in
favor and then additionally also this
weekend I was um um someone reached out
to me September is suicide prevention
month but for whatever reason they're
not having their walk until October 6th
so um called and wanted to it it's their
10year anniversary of their walk in the
city of skincity so um and this would
actually be presented at the walk so um
just asking for a motion on this
resolution second all in favor thank you
madam president since you're Ting here I
think we all missed that Hispanic heras
month it celebrated um member 15 to
October 15 so I would like to ask that
we add that also and you you'll reach
out to somebody to come because having
that issue since we're adding you know
let's not leave anybody out so I would
like to ask for a CR for Hispanic
Heritage
Month second all those in
favor okay uh the remainder of the items
are in executive session for property
sales so I entertain a motion to go to
Executive session move second all in
favor I we're in executive session
members of the public will have to leave
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