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don't even doesn't

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like just just send a notification I'd

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like to call to or disc connect the city

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council committee meeting for

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Monday September 16th 2024 and the first

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thing on our agenda we're going to have

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a presentation by Mr lefon on the

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uh survey that we should have done in

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the mail regarding the water Mr lefon

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service

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session police play

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um few weeks back we uh we did contract

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with the company through a grant to send

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surveys out to Property Owners within

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the city of s to meet the new

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regulations from EPA with regard to

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letting CER that new rule is to uh was

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to ban all Le services in 1986 all Le uh

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containing solder containing lead it was

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all banned in

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1986 uh now there is a push to do

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surveys of all the properties within the

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city with York Spain actually the whole

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country to see which services are still

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let in and then the next phase of that

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would be how to remove them so um most

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Property Owners would have gotten these

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um it was the best way to do it some

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Property Owners may get them through

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their um their service for estro for

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their Banks it'll be on the website

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hopefully with the two days here conect

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um people who don't no uh there is a way

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to test one lead which is this here part

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of the Boose neck magnet won't stick the

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lead okay that's what they're trying to

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remove

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um the city allows copper 1in copper um

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and we do allow a CPS pipe which is

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plastic um most people now are going

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with the CPS pipe because it's a

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fraction of the cost compared to what

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copper is nowadays I think a 60 or 80t

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roll of copper is almost $11,000 and 100

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ft of plastic is about

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$120 so um residents can go with plastic

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the only thing they have to do is if

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they're currently grounded through their

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electrical paned to the pipe that's in

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the ground they has to remain grounded

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if not they have to call an electrician

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get a electrical permit and put two

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grounding rods in to the electrical

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inspector's office to ground the new

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service or their house

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um what EPA does after the surveys are

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out it'll be a work in progress cuz we

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don't get into we're not going to get

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into 16,000 houses um you know in the

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next few months but it'll be a work in

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progress and once that's done that

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survey has to be posted on the website

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in the EPA format so anybody can access

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it and look up the property and see if

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it still has a l service or a copper

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service um so I do want to come in and

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inform you that these are out so people

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do contact you please try and get them

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to either contact the water department

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send the self card in to uh 120 water

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and or if they want to do the self test

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um like I said will schedule appointment

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with them to actually go out to the

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house determine whether sling copper I

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know it's very difficult getting in

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people's basement nobody wants you in

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their house I'm not there to look at

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anything other than the

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pipe so I don't know if the council has

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any questions if you do these around

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these surveys now so if someone has a

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lead pipe they have to get replaced no

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um if they touch the Water Service like

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currently right now they have to do any

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work Under Water Service it is Le they

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have to bring it to code but if it's

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currently in the ground until EPA tells

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us has be removed and currently who's

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going to pay for it because the city

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doesn't own the services we own the

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mains property owns service from the

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main into the house so it's not been

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determined yet

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right now they're just doing the

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survey so so um my H's on the paper was

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kind of my other question um sometimes

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low lower income homeowners have grants

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available so is that anything that's

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going there we had a grant a few years

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back for around 560,000 we did about 100

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service lines to you know people who

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knew the grant was available they had a

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li service the uh licensed plumber in

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the city we contact our plumbing inp

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ector W verify that it was led if it was

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led that property owner um received the

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service fre of jge to the rant so

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hopefully um EPA the federal government

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will come up with money

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because it's you know it's millions of

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dollars it's we have 16,000 properties

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this would affect almost any house that

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would built pre 86 that was when the r

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came to effect so the assumption is if

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your house was built before

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1986 it probably has L unless it was a a

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replace service cuz it you already went

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B on you replaced with

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copper on the other anybody else

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questions m p um just two quick

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questions um when are the surveys due

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back and okay of this year we'll have

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hopefully the surveys back in or par

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portion of them okay um the company we

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have working with us will put the data

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into the EPA format uh that'll get sent

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to EPA and we'll just continue working

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to gain entry to more more houses is the

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Sur I I know you said the results will

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go on our website is the survey

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instrument itself on our website okay no

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and surveys it's got to be developed in

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the sense the data is going to be put in 120 water is doing that

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okay and we're getting and we're keeping

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a list downstairs and the water

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department personnel scheduling

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appointments to all the residents who do

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call in and just you know want somebody

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other than themselves to verify what

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they have going into the house thank you

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if if it's an unknown you could

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considered it a let service so we say

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unknown it's going to be considered

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let anybody else pa um you mentioned um

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about cost and the EPA is not discussing

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that at this point in time the EPA is

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not discussing cost so who's going to

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Bard the cost at this point in time is

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that something that you can try to find

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out from them as to who is going to be

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responsible for the cost

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I I we we can look into it but I think

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what they're trying to figure out right

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is you know in conect alone if you have

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16,000 Services you know what do you say

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um 15% maybe you know lead still we're

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not sure so we've gone we're going

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through our data which are old um

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tapping cards um to help update

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everything um you know so it's it's a process you know you just trying

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to find in cards from the 70s or 80s you

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know you're up in the archives in the

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Attic so um one of the easiest ways to

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actually get into a basement and look at

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the pipe scratch the pipe see if it's

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light see if it's copper see if it's

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plastic other questions you didn't have

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any Britten copy of the survey uh with

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you I didn't get one mail to me I have a

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paper copy I can what I'll do is email

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it out I can email all numers and I can

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email the most free oh there's one

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here's one

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you got a C from your

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house just so people see what it is and

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know it's not jum

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mail that

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conf so kind of looks like this where it

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says and so if they scan this QR code

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they scan the QR code they can respond

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to through the okay so all right and

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then just the other side well that just

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says Resonance of it doesn't oh no it is

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there okay so if people get things in

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the mail it's not J mail they to

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complete the surveys and if they want

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they only get use call downstairs room 9

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and we'll set the appointment okay any

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other thing questions than thank you

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very much thank for bringing the uh the

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uh prop to the next meeting for

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okay thank you see you

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later all right we'll begin with the

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public safety so I like to call the

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Public Safety Committee to order we have

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three items on the agenda tonight first

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of which is a discussion of traffic

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safety measures within the city of enity

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Miss Patrick yes uh thank you Mr

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ask Mr Mr Wallen to come to the front I

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brought 10 copies but nobody's here

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we're here this is a continuation of a

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discussion that we've been having about

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traffic safety and traffic calming

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measures

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thank you for bringing me of course

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hello so September 16th traffic update

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hope me get my little do hicky I

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apologize that this TV seems to always

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be on the

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pr uh turn it

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on and there we're away all right so the

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first thing that we wanted to talk about

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this is going to be when I do these

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updates we're going to kind of go with a

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little bit of agenda but also a little

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bit of where we have to

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so one of the first things that we

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talked about is to put these into place

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uh officially what we'd like to do is in

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talking with the corporate council's

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office is modify the city code to

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authorize the city engineer as it states

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uh to have uh section a new section

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which we're calling traffic cing

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measures which authorizes a city

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engineer to install traffic cing

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measures on designated streets uh as

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it's written there it is of course

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totally changed this was a draft that

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was put together um but but it is the

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idea that it authorizes myself with your

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permission to install things that we

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talked about at the previous update

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which is speed bumps PPS red light

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cameras schol zone speed cameras we can

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even put a little bit of you know and

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similar devices in in there just so

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we're not coming back for every little

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thing um this is something that would

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require a public hearing I believe

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because we will be amending the city

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code um so if this is what we' like to

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go forward with with I think this would

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be the the top priority uh to get it

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into the public hearing process to move

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forward so that we could do that and I

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provided you the language in your in

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your handout there um just moving on if

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we're going to be doing this uh and

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calling a public hearing about my roles

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one of the things that has come up is

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I'd also liked I haven't even talked to

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Sean about this I'd also like to amend

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this section of my duties which has to

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do with um use of streets and sidewalks

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what we did was and I'm sure you're kind

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of aware is we've transitioned a lot of

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enforcement to codes and we' beautified

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all the enforcement in the codes

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Department however we never changeed the

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charter as it's customary we don't

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really update the charter as quickly as

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we should and so the charter says that

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it's the commissioner of Public Works

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Paul or the assistant city engineer who

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does not exist the assistant city

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engineer was a PE position and I don't

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believe it's existed for about 20 years

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um and those are the two people that

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Shall Serve notice to people for

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sidewalk violations um so you know we

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have sidewalk violations that do occur

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from time to time so I am requesting um

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that this be changed to commissioner

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Public Works city engineer or uh the

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codes department so that we can have the

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codes officers uh write this as part of

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their uh duties so while it's not part

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of the Traffic Safety in a way if we're

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going to call a public hearing and

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discuss uh the duties of the city

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engineer I would love to be able to

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modify this so it's cleaner I have

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another one for

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you thank

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you on slide three so uh so these were

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the first two things that we uh that I

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wanted to talk about was the

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modification C code city ofor uh the

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second thing that I wanted to talk with

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you about today uh would be the speak

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table procedure it was something that we

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provided before uh with the city of

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Rochester I modified it just a little

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bit simplified some areas of it there

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you go Sam and I'd like to

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get um committe comments on it I I do

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think that it may be appropriate I don't

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we don't we don't do it much but to meet

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actually uh with the committee possibly

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and not turn these Council meetings into

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workshops

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um I I don't know how we do that but you

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know there's decisions that have to be

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made before we move forward with a lot

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of these items and I don't know if this

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is the right venue to have these kind of

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Workshop discussions so so just so you

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know since we've been having these kind

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of things there's been committee

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meetings being held okay terrific to

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have that so what you have in front of

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you is a speed table procedure I'm

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summarizing it up top where we're saying

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that you know there' be five steps this

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is identical to Rochester just modify

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for the City's connecting where you're

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talking about a letter of request

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in-house evaluation traffic study and

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then the consideration of other factors

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uh the highlighted portion is where I

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just like to go is that they use a 75%

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petition um we don't have a petition

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that is that high so then I would ask

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that the council come up with a number

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that is uh you know it could be 75%

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could be 50 could be 80 but I just want

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to make sure that that number I would

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like the council to be able to set

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similarly uh on the bottom on Section

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six there's a section about parallel

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streets and if you kind of were to read

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this whole thing and gloss over it it's

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one of those little worded sections that

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could be a nightmare um so I will like

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direct you to where I grew up I grew up

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on Ardsley Road which is right by the

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high school Arsley road is a great

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example road that I just happened to

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grow up on because Arsley road is you

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have the high school the parking lot is

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literally empty on Arsley Road and you

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have Union Street so so cars drive that

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way so if you get a petition from

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marsley Road and they say we really want

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speed HS and we put them there Waverly

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and Phoenix directly parallel right next

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door so then you start pushing then you

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get to mclen then you get to Parkwood

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you get to Glenwood and Rochester

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actually you know really they kind of

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they had stronger language that was

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essentially if there are more than one

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parallel Street you're denied they don't

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even want to get into it and I don't

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want to go down that road yet because

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this is a new process

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but I wanted to point out that on those

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particular streets the other streets I

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was thinking about are neighborhood such

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as wood where if you go into woodw we

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have very long straight runs of roads

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where if we put them there uh the

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particularly there's the four I don't

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remember off the time I head but there's

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four roads that go right through from

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Albany Street to the wood law preserve

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that are just long straight runs so if

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we put speed pumps on one of them are we

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forcing them or the others um gford yeah

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it's that it's that level of just making

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sure we have the understanding that we

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don't want to solve a problem on one

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street but push the problem to the

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others um so and with regards to this

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that's why you know Brian is here uh

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Canon because we've been working he's

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been using uh the data from the city

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Smart City nodes and Optical sensors and

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working with our vendors he's pulled

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some data he's actually shared it with

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myself and the police department I don't

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want to make it public yet because we're

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still working out some of the Kinks on

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what we really believe is it's feasible

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and not feasible um but that could be

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maybe the next update this one I want to

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show you that like I'd love to get the

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code moving get this kind of going with

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this procedure so that we know what

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we're doing and then we can focus on

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where the actual tables themselves are

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going um the next part of that is I say

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tables I just wanted to bring this up

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we've been doing a lot of research on

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this um and we know we're not the first

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so because we're not the first I'm not

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acting like we're inventing anything

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here we're just Implement so the table

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that we put on Dwayne Avenue in SKC was

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what is called a speed table on the left

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you go up it's flat for a little bit you

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go down there are speed humps what

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Albany has are speed humps up down so

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one is 12 ft one is 30 ft you or 26 ft

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depending so we have these two different

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so if you were to go to almany they have

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humps we used a table the tables are

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better for really high volume roads um

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one of the differences I think the main

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difference and I don't want to you know

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I know you're probably going to say

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Chris whatever you'd like to do but I

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just want to talk and tell you what it

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is is that the idea with Dwayne Avenue

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was we don't need to reduce the speed we

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just don't want you speeding so a speed

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hump you will drive and it'll have a

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sign it'll say speed hump 15 mph you got

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to slow down to 15 go over a speed HP

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and then keep driving the speed tables

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we can specifically designed and pick

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that they're meant for 30 m hour you

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drive 30 m hour you go up you go over

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you go down you go 40 m an hour it's

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going to be really uncomfortable so that

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was the idea the thought was and this is

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where said working with the PD working

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with John cucho at the time was that if

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you had a speed hump and you reduce that

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speed to 15 you would want to make it up

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you would want to go up over okay that

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was annoying I got to go fast and then

439
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up up over and I'm going to make it up

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um we didn't get that complaint with

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these speed tables I don't remember

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hearing that about the the the going

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fast portion of it but I did want to

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point out that the majority of locations

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are using pumps which are a little bit

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smaller more manageable than tables uh

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but I I I haven't decided which way I

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really want to go but I just wanted to

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state that is the reason if we do use

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speed humps most likely even at 25 mph

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we will have to put a advisory sign that

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the speed over that hump is 20 or 15 so

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we have to reduce the speed over the

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home table we wouldn't

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have um also we have some standard

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sheets just to let you know this is you

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know what a speed table would look like

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this is off the dot so this is what kind

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of we're working on once again we're not

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trying to reinvent the wheel similarly

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uh signage this is what I I'm going to

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be forwarding to Paul leond and Brian uh

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about this is what we're thinking is

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that like right now this is if we were

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to use a speed table we would we would

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put what the speed limit is because

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we're not going to have speed limit

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signs on every road once we go through

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this uh you know hopefully the lowering

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of the speed limit so we would say okay

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the speed limit's 25 there's a speed

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table ahead here's the speed table that

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would be the procedure of advanced

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warning and then the as you see on the

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road they use a very unique now system

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of striping where it's it's like a a 3ft

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wide stripe then you go 30 ft and it's a

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5T wide stripe then you go 30 ft eight

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and it goes and then when you get to to

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the the speed table it's an arrow so

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it's a it's a very uh distinct amount of

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striping to get to that point so right

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now this is uh what we were calling our our signage and striping package

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that we would be working with with Brian

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and SPD to implement um if this is this

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is specific to a speed table I didn't

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have time to put one together for a

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speed hump the only difference would be

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that white speed limit sign would be a

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little yellow sign that would be saying

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probably 20 or 15 because you have to

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slow down

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so so if let's say this is with the

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speed table so if it was a speed Humper

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you're saying you would need the 25 M

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hour and addition to that you would need

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an additional sign right around the

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speed P we would for the 15 so we would

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put it's a little misleading because

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those signs aren't meant to actually be

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above above each other they're just

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meant to show one's here one's further

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back the advisory sign would be directly

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attached and beneath that speed table

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ahead sign to advise you that you have

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to go slower over it the only difference

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would be most likely is that we would

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mod probably put a speed limit sign on

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the other side just you know this is

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what the speed limit is just to remind

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you what the speed limit is but the the

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speed humps the advantage of the speed

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hump is it would probably be cheaper cuz

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they're

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smaller um but I just I'm like I said I

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try to deal in transparency and we did

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not install speed pumps on Dwayne Avenue

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we used specifically designed speed

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tables for our speed limit which was at

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the time 30 so it would work perfectly

521
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fine in 25 and those are the comments

522
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that we got were for a speed table but I

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have the entire Albany uh city of Albany

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um plet I have their procedures Albany

525
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has a similar procedure that they have

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adopted by the council um I pretty sure

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I could share I wasn't comfortable

528
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sharing it now but I'm pretty sure it's

529
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all public to share um uh that's what

530
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they developed and they're using pumps

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in their project uh in hamon hill so um

532
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in terms

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of we only did one that one street like

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that's that's the only feedback we got

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was from that one street so all the the

536
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other places that we talked about people

537
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felt you know giv the next one was

538
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supposed to be rugby and yeah we didn't

539
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do that we haven't gotten any of that

540
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feedback so we're basing everything just

541
00:23:21,600 --> 00:23:24,360
on that one right now yes I'm not only

542
00:23:24,360 --> 00:23:25,559
basing off of that but that's why I'm

543
00:23:25,559 --> 00:23:27,000
trying to use the Albany study and some

544
00:23:27,000 --> 00:23:29,000
other areas to try to pull information

545
00:23:29,000 --> 00:23:31,840
of just what people are doing um but yes

546
00:23:31,840 --> 00:23:33,960
for our local we've only used that

547
00:23:33,960 --> 00:23:37,600
system once on that road

548
00:23:37,600 --> 00:23:40,559
okay so um I have a couple of questions

549
00:23:40,559 --> 00:23:42,919
so um just on that one still so that

550
00:23:42,919 --> 00:23:45,559
does make the Assumption I think that we

551
00:23:45,559 --> 00:23:48,360
would lower the speed limit to 25 that

552
00:23:48,360 --> 00:23:49,679
this is all off that's why I put it

553
00:23:49,679 --> 00:23:50,760
there that we are going to be lowering

554
00:23:50,760 --> 00:23:54,200
the speed limit on local roads to 25 yes

555
00:23:54,200 --> 00:23:56,919
okay it's based on that okay great I'm

556
00:23:56,919 --> 00:23:58,960
happy to hear that um and and then on

557
00:23:58,960 --> 00:24:02,360
the sidewalk one I thought and this did

558
00:24:02,360 --> 00:24:04,159
happen before I was on Council but I'm

559
00:24:04,159 --> 00:24:06,080
pretty I thought that we had to have a

560
00:24:06,080 --> 00:24:08,279
petition and that that too was I thought

561
00:24:08,279 --> 00:24:11,960
the number was 75% but um cuz that that

562
00:24:11,960 --> 00:24:14,840
language isn't e here about having a

563
00:24:14,840 --> 00:24:17,240
petition I I think the city Char still

564
00:24:17,240 --> 00:24:22,440
stands up 25% right 25% so if if if

565
00:24:22,440 --> 00:24:25,440
residents on a street had a 25% of the

566
00:24:25,440 --> 00:24:27,080
residents so shouldn't that be in if

567
00:24:27,080 --> 00:24:29,480
we're putting it in um for the speed

568
00:24:29,480 --> 00:24:31,880
tables should we be putting it into

569
00:24:31,880 --> 00:24:34,840
that's you know that's a different if I

570
00:24:34,840 --> 00:24:37,360
can interject kind of a different Pro

571
00:24:37,360 --> 00:24:40,320
process you're looking at something of a

572
00:24:40,320 --> 00:24:42,320
fluid situation whereas if you're

573
00:24:42,320 --> 00:24:44,559
talking about Improvement districts that

574
00:24:44,559 --> 00:24:46,480
goes to property taxes and that's in the

575
00:24:46,480 --> 00:24:49,360
city Charter which is a total different

576
00:24:49,360 --> 00:24:51,600
oh I see okay I I I get the distinction

577
00:24:51,600 --> 00:24:54,360
okay so it's it's okay thank you

578
00:24:54,360 --> 00:24:59,520
different and I just um I do think that

579
00:24:59,520 --> 00:25:01,240
it would be great to have a special you

580
00:25:01,240 --> 00:25:02,559
know if we needed to talk about this

581
00:25:02,559 --> 00:25:04,320
more to have a special Public Safety

582
00:25:04,320 --> 00:25:05,679
Committee meeting as we did the other

583
00:25:05,679 --> 00:25:08,399
day so I just want to that as well any

584
00:25:08,399 --> 00:25:11,200
other questions or comments Mr R U Mr

585
00:25:11,200 --> 00:25:13,279
sometime back we had asked um you to

586
00:25:13,279 --> 00:25:15,640
kind of give us a CA breakdown for these

587
00:25:15,640 --> 00:25:18,480
um speed table or speed PP were you able

588
00:25:18,480 --> 00:25:21,039
to get a cost for how much one would be

589
00:25:21,039 --> 00:25:23,640
yes no I didn't put anything together

590
00:25:23,640 --> 00:25:25,960
yet the signage we would most likely be

591
00:25:25,960 --> 00:25:27,880
able to do in housee do you think FR

592
00:25:27,880 --> 00:25:30,080
we're not talking talking about too many

593
00:25:30,080 --> 00:25:32,960
signs yeah yeah we were looking at two

594
00:25:32,960 --> 00:25:36,000
four six signs posts and then the the

595
00:25:36,000 --> 00:25:38,360
black um notice that you see that those

596
00:25:38,360 --> 00:25:40,360
are delineators just so in case I just

597
00:25:40,360 --> 00:25:41,919
threw those in there each side of it

598
00:25:41,919 --> 00:25:43,559
just for plow purposes that's something

599
00:25:43,559 --> 00:25:45,159
you do you put you know this where the

600
00:25:45,159 --> 00:25:46,640
front and the back of them would be so

601
00:25:46,640 --> 00:25:48,240
the plows know where they are that's

602
00:25:48,240 --> 00:25:50,240
what those are um the speed tables

603
00:25:50,240 --> 00:25:52,360
themselves they're asphalt they're not

604
00:25:52,360 --> 00:25:55,799
very large um I I mean I can get a I can

605
00:25:55,799 --> 00:25:57,080
get a pretty accurate quot from one of

606
00:25:57,080 --> 00:26:00,269
our vendors but

607
00:26:00,279 --> 00:26:03,080
$25 to $50,000 for for one I don't think

608
00:26:03,080 --> 00:26:04,880
it would be you know too too cost

609
00:26:04,880 --> 00:26:06,960
prohibited for putting one in maybe we

610
00:26:06,960 --> 00:26:08,880
do it when we pave some of the road and

611
00:26:08,880 --> 00:26:10,320
that can be you know absorb into that

612
00:26:10,320 --> 00:26:12,279
get a little bit more um efficiencies

613
00:26:12,279 --> 00:26:13,679
out of it if we pave the road at the

614
00:26:13,679 --> 00:26:15,559
same

615
00:26:15,559 --> 00:26:18,240
time on the

616
00:26:18,240 --> 00:26:21,200
remov on the removables spe H that we

617
00:26:21,200 --> 00:26:26,669
purchased last year

618
00:26:26,679 --> 00:26:29,880
$6,000 or 60 not that's the one we put

619
00:26:29,880 --> 00:26:33,549
on way

620
00:26:33,559 --> 00:26:37,240
16 just just follow so Mr

621
00:26:37,240 --> 00:26:40,200
W budget is end of this month is it

622
00:26:40,200 --> 00:26:42,039
possible for you to consider maybe put

623
00:26:42,039 --> 00:26:43,799
that in your Capital

624
00:26:43,799 --> 00:26:46,200
um what I have in my capital budget

625
00:26:46,200 --> 00:26:47,799
going for next year I have a meeting

626
00:26:47,799 --> 00:26:49,880
with Anthony but usually what I request

627
00:26:49,880 --> 00:26:51,320
is somewhere around a million and a half

628
00:26:51,320 --> 00:26:54,240
$25 million for General Paving which is

629
00:26:54,240 --> 00:26:56,200
above and beyond what the state gives us

630
00:26:56,200 --> 00:26:58,520
and in that we usually leave leave it

631
00:26:58,520 --> 00:27:00,840
open if we call it it used to be called

632
00:27:00,840 --> 00:27:02,480
the road paving program now we call it

633
00:27:02,480 --> 00:27:04,480
the street Improvement program and we

634
00:27:04,480 --> 00:27:05,880
leave the bond language a little bit

635
00:27:05,880 --> 00:27:08,520
more open so that this would be under

636
00:27:08,520 --> 00:27:11,080
that program so that's how we would be

637
00:27:11,080 --> 00:27:12,760
doing things is that can you can you

638
00:27:12,760 --> 00:27:15,039
create a separate line for Speed table

639
00:27:15,039 --> 00:27:18,159
speed home and allocate money on just so

640
00:27:18,159 --> 00:27:21,520
it's budgeted just so you see it yes I

641
00:27:21,520 --> 00:27:23,799
could ask anything to do that yes yeah

642
00:27:23,799 --> 00:27:26,520
it would be a smaller one yes

643
00:27:26,520 --> 00:27:28,600
something any would just be that based

644
00:27:28,600 --> 00:27:34,919
on estimates at this point in time yes right yeah oh I just want to

645
00:27:34,919 --> 00:27:37,440
logistically go through this if I can

646
00:27:37,440 --> 00:27:40,000
right now if you all want to I I

647
00:27:40,000 --> 00:27:42,360
provided uh the draft ordinance to you

648
00:27:42,360 --> 00:27:44,960
which is incorporated slide number two

649
00:27:44,960 --> 00:27:46,440
if you want to go with that you would

650
00:27:46,440 --> 00:27:48,279
have to have a public hearing now the

651
00:27:48,279 --> 00:27:50,480
public hearing would either be you know

652
00:27:50,480 --> 00:27:51,840
the same night you're doing the public

653
00:27:51,840 --> 00:27:55,080
hearing for the budget in mid October or

654
00:27:55,080 --> 00:28:03,159
putting it out for the second meeting in in o October and then regarding the language and then the uh the speed

655
00:28:03,159 --> 00:28:07,279
table request procedure we we do is have

656
00:28:07,279 --> 00:28:09,320
you have your public hearing vote on the

657
00:28:09,320 --> 00:28:10,960
ordinance that same night you could do a

658
00:28:10,960 --> 00:28:13,600
resolution end endorsing the policy

659
00:28:13,600 --> 00:28:16,039
whatever you may agree to because

660
00:28:16,039 --> 00:28:18,919
section two of that ordinance will will

661
00:28:18,919 --> 00:28:23,919
uh uh has the U process where you're uh

662
00:28:23,919 --> 00:28:27,240
agreeing or inputting on the uh on the

663
00:28:27,240 --> 00:28:30,360
uh on that guidance issued by the city

664
00:28:30,360 --> 00:28:32,480
engineer so

665
00:28:32,480 --> 00:28:34,720
logistically you know for thinking ahead

666
00:28:34,720 --> 00:28:37,360
here you it's up to what you all want to

667
00:28:37,360 --> 00:28:40,720
do public hearing is because of the way

668
00:28:40,720 --> 00:28:42,039
the schedule is it's not going to be

669
00:28:42,039 --> 00:28:46,880
until the the public hearing for the the

670
00:28:46,880 --> 00:28:48,919
budget you may want to think about

671
00:28:48,919 --> 00:28:50,880
putting it off to the end of October

672
00:28:50,880 --> 00:28:53,000
because you'll have a full plate I'm

673
00:28:53,000 --> 00:28:56,360
sure on that night for the budget so we

674
00:28:56,360 --> 00:28:58,399
could do you know if you want this

675
00:28:58,399 --> 00:29:00,640
language we could do you know pass out

676
00:29:00,640 --> 00:29:02,960
tonight the resolution calling for a

677
00:29:02,960 --> 00:29:04,480
public hearing but the public hearing

678
00:29:04,480 --> 00:29:10,430
would be at that second meeting in in uh

679
00:29:10,440 --> 00:29:12,399
October so yeah I was just wondering

680
00:29:12,399 --> 00:29:13,679
about it's like I know that you're

681
00:29:13,679 --> 00:29:15,120
saying that we have a pretty limited

682
00:29:15,120 --> 00:29:16,600
data set just because we only use that

683
00:29:16,600 --> 00:29:19,799
um doing a but don't we have some data

684
00:29:19,799 --> 00:29:22,279
from like our Smart City stuff and some

685
00:29:22,279 --> 00:29:24,480
go to some of the other uh kind of

686
00:29:24,480 --> 00:29:26,440
traffic sets we've been doing collecting

687
00:29:26,440 --> 00:29:29,159
data around like uh Street here is that

688
00:29:29,159 --> 00:29:30,440
is any of that data would that be

689
00:29:30,440 --> 00:29:32,360
applicable to this or we can say okay

690
00:29:32,360 --> 00:29:34,440
this looks like more trouble we have

691
00:29:34,440 --> 00:29:36,880
data but that's what I was is uh as

692
00:29:36,880 --> 00:29:38,760
Brian myself and the and the police

693
00:29:38,760 --> 00:29:41,000
department are using that data to

694
00:29:41,000 --> 00:29:43,559
identify areas that would be best

695
00:29:43,559 --> 00:29:45,880
probable areas to put these systems but

696
00:29:45,880 --> 00:29:47,399
it wouldn't help us with them because we

697
00:29:47,399 --> 00:29:49,159
don't have anything like this out there

698
00:29:49,159 --> 00:29:52,320
Dwayne Avenue was very unique uh and

699
00:29:52,320 --> 00:29:53,840
like I said we just used yes it was that

700
00:29:53,840 --> 00:29:58,919
one case study to to move forward and we can identify it was

701
00:29:58,919 --> 00:30:01,360
uh but no I I don't think I don't think

702
00:30:01,360 --> 00:30:03,799
the data that we have today we could use

703
00:30:03,799 --> 00:30:06,519
to justify you know that success in one

704
00:30:06,519 --> 00:30:07,880
of these cuz we don't have anything out

705
00:30:07,880 --> 00:30:09,600
there this these are these are different

706
00:30:09,600 --> 00:30:12,760
kinds of systems and these are

707
00:30:12,760 --> 00:30:15,039
they're they're very unique to have on a

708
00:30:15,039 --> 00:30:16,480
public rope you know you can used to

709
00:30:16,480 --> 00:30:17,720
them in parking lots and things like

710
00:30:17,720 --> 00:30:19,080
that I don't think we can make that

711
00:30:19,080 --> 00:30:23,600
Brian do you disagree with that I

712
00:30:23,600 --> 00:30:26,559
no Miss Patrick but we do have the

713
00:30:26,559 --> 00:30:29,440
example of the city of Aly and the debt

714
00:30:29,440 --> 00:30:31,039
and all that they've been doing that we

715
00:30:31,039 --> 00:30:33,399
could look to correct and I work with I

716
00:30:33,399 --> 00:30:35,399
work with uh with them quite a bit and I

717
00:30:35,399 --> 00:30:37,480
also work like I said we're working with

718
00:30:37,480 --> 00:30:39,720
the cap region Transportation Council

719
00:30:39,720 --> 00:30:42,240
and we can work with them I'm not I'm

720
00:30:42,240 --> 00:30:43,120
not

721
00:30:43,120 --> 00:30:45,919
too I am not too concerned about if they

722
00:30:45,919 --> 00:30:48,720
will be effective it's just where they

723
00:30:48,720 --> 00:30:50,279
will be effective and getting the

724
00:30:50,279 --> 00:30:52,279
policies and procedures right so that

725
00:30:52,279 --> 00:30:54,200
you know we're we're the one kind of

726
00:30:54,200 --> 00:30:56,440
steering with the implementation of them

727
00:30:56,440 --> 00:30:58,240
and how they're placed because I think

728
00:30:58,240 --> 00:30:59,639
it was a good study I really do think

729
00:30:59,639 --> 00:31:01,080
that Dwayne having the study was a good

730
00:31:01,080 --> 00:31:03,279
study and we got good results and Albany

731
00:31:03,279 --> 00:31:04,799
you know they clearly saw it was good

732
00:31:04,799 --> 00:31:06,039
and they're making the investment and

733
00:31:06,039 --> 00:31:09,360
you're seeing this as to combat it um

734
00:31:09,360 --> 00:31:10,840
and we like I said we're using the data

735
00:31:10,840 --> 00:31:13,000
to pull it together we're looking at

736
00:31:13,000 --> 00:31:15,159
it's it's a it's a tool it's not the

737
00:31:15,159 --> 00:31:17,120
tool but it is a tool just like last

738
00:31:17,120 --> 00:31:18,919
presentation I said these are all the

739
00:31:18,919 --> 00:31:21,440
tools that we have and I I think that we

740
00:31:21,440 --> 00:31:22,799
could start looking at the new ones that

741
00:31:22,799 --> 00:31:25,080
I didn't bother talking about speed

742
00:31:25,080 --> 00:31:27,000
cameras or bus cameras or things like

743
00:31:27,000 --> 00:31:29,080
that but all those are are useful tools

744
00:31:29,080 --> 00:31:30,200
when used

745
00:31:30,200 --> 00:31:34,320
correctly um well just um so with the

746
00:31:34,320 --> 00:31:38,039
1.5 million for Paving or I think you

747
00:31:38,039 --> 00:31:41,440
said um with that also I mean I guess I

748
00:31:41,440 --> 00:31:42,559
just want to make sure that we have

749
00:31:42,559 --> 00:31:44,880
enough money um or at least we have the

750
00:31:44,880 --> 00:31:46,320
ability to discuss whether we're going

751
00:31:46,320 --> 00:31:48,960
to have enough money um if we were going

752
00:31:48,960 --> 00:31:52,200
to do the cameras or um you know any

753
00:31:52,200 --> 00:31:54,240
other kinds of traffic caling

754
00:31:54,240 --> 00:31:58,960
measures um I I don't know how the it

755
00:31:58,960 --> 00:32:00,320
like traffic cameras and that I don't

756
00:32:00,320 --> 00:32:02,720
know how that would work um with regards

757
00:32:02,720 --> 00:32:05,960
to Paving money um but I mean so

758
00:32:05,960 --> 00:32:07,360
somewhere in the budget I mean it

759
00:32:07,360 --> 00:32:08,679
doesn't have to be in the paving line

760
00:32:08,679 --> 00:32:10,440
but would You' like to see if we could

761
00:32:10,440 --> 00:32:12,519
put something yes okay

762
00:32:12,519 --> 00:32:14,120
please

763
00:32:14,120 --> 00:32:16,440
for so I just want to be clear are we

764
00:32:16,440 --> 00:32:18,440
going to be doing are we going to be um

765
00:32:18,440 --> 00:32:23,000
doing Runway road before this you moving

766
00:32:23,000 --> 00:32:26,000
forward with this is there going to be a pilot over there as well I know that

767
00:32:26,000 --> 00:32:28,000
was our intention is it still going to

768
00:32:28,000 --> 00:32:31,519
happen this year at all we can do it at

769
00:32:31,519 --> 00:32:35,360
all yes this year will be difficult Mr

770
00:32:35,360 --> 00:32:38,159
so the the Smart City things that we've

771
00:32:38,159 --> 00:32:40,039
implemented th far and it's kind of

772
00:32:40,039 --> 00:32:41,320
similar question but just from a

773
00:32:41,320 --> 00:32:43,320
different position I'm kind of thinking

774
00:32:43,320 --> 00:32:48,159
about what Mr Patrick was saying can is any of that technology is it

775
00:32:48,159 --> 00:32:52,360
applicable for us to use the data and or

776
00:32:52,360 --> 00:32:54,480
maybe leverage some of that existing

777
00:32:54,480 --> 00:32:57,840
technology to use as far as like maybe

778
00:32:57,840 --> 00:32:59,399
op of traffic Camas I'm just trying to

779
00:32:59,399 --> 00:33:01,120
think like is there another application

780
00:33:01,120 --> 00:33:02,840
to some of that smart City's money

781
00:33:02,840 --> 00:33:05,360
that's been spent and can we leverage

782
00:33:05,360 --> 00:33:08,149
that to help

783
00:33:08,159 --> 00:33:11,760
within I I don't believe so at time if

784
00:33:11,760 --> 00:33:15,000
the cameras if the cameras could detect

785
00:33:15,000 --> 00:33:16,639
the plates which they may be able to and

786
00:33:16,639 --> 00:33:18,720
detect the speed we're not legally

787
00:33:18,720 --> 00:33:21,279
allowed to ticket or to send out notices

788
00:33:21,279 --> 00:33:23,120
I don't believe I mean that was like

789
00:33:23,120 --> 00:33:24,960
what we're talking about is we could

790
00:33:24,960 --> 00:33:28,000
buying the camera is just the material

791
00:33:28,000 --> 00:33:30,440
item but the the step that we need to

792
00:33:30,440 --> 00:33:32,799
complete is the legislation request it's

793
00:33:32,799 --> 00:33:34,279
kind of similar what we're doing here is

794
00:33:34,279 --> 00:33:35,760
that I know that it just feels

795
00:33:35,760 --> 00:33:37,120
completely bureaucratic and like we're

796
00:33:37,120 --> 00:33:39,440
not doing anything but working with uh

797
00:33:39,440 --> 00:33:41,159
the legal office you know this is what

798
00:33:41,159 --> 00:33:42,880
we're saying is that if we can really

799
00:33:42,880 --> 00:33:45,960
get the code changed the policy form in

800
00:33:45,960 --> 00:33:47,760
place and some of these details worked

801
00:33:47,760 --> 00:33:50,000
out it'll set us up so that next year

802
00:33:50,000 --> 00:33:51,279
because you know we're going into

803
00:33:51,279 --> 00:33:53,480
October that next year we're we're ready

804
00:33:53,480 --> 00:33:55,559
we're planning in the winter we're

805
00:33:55,559 --> 00:33:57,440
bidding in the spring and next year we

806
00:33:57,440 --> 00:33:59,360
kind of have a plan of what we're what

807
00:33:59,360 --> 00:34:01,799
our our attack is so that we're hitting

808
00:34:01,799 --> 00:34:04,120
the ground running um I it's very

809
00:34:04,120 --> 00:34:05,519
similar what we're talking about with

810
00:34:05,519 --> 00:34:08,000
the speed limit reduction um you know so

811
00:34:08,000 --> 00:34:10,440
I talked with the the crtc today and

812
00:34:10,440 --> 00:34:13,280
Brian and you know what they're doing is

813
00:34:13,280 --> 00:34:15,079
they're consultant Brian sending over

814
00:34:15,079 --> 00:34:17,679
our our signage plan they are doing some

815
00:34:17,679 --> 00:34:19,839
traffic surveys and just to reiterate

816
00:34:19,839 --> 00:34:22,599
you know that's why what this says 25 M

817
00:34:22,599 --> 00:34:25,240
hour Mr re I have

818
00:34:25,240 --> 00:34:29,079
no uh hesitation or thought about local

819
00:34:29,079 --> 00:34:32,839
roads going to 25 it's the half dozen to

820
00:34:32,839 --> 00:34:35,679
a dozen roads that are in that that area

821
00:34:35,679 --> 00:34:37,599
so they asked what do we want to look

822
00:34:37,599 --> 00:34:40,119
like you know and it's Broadway what is

823
00:34:40,119 --> 00:34:42,159
Broadway you know Broadway is the one

824
00:34:42,159 --> 00:34:43,599
street that goes this way I didn't know

825
00:34:43,599 --> 00:34:45,000
knowing the geography of the city like I

826
00:34:45,000 --> 00:34:48,320
know we all do Union Eastern State

827
00:34:48,320 --> 00:34:50,960
Albany right they all go that way

828
00:34:50,960 --> 00:34:52,240
Broadway is the only street that goes

829
00:34:52,240 --> 00:34:54,800
that all right so I just like can you

830
00:34:54,800 --> 00:34:56,159
look at it can you give me your opinion

831
00:34:56,159 --> 00:34:57,440
on what Broadway is same thing where

832
00:34:57,440 --> 00:34:59,160
it's splits the Gilder you know we're

833
00:34:59,160 --> 00:35:01,280
looking at it from a traffic from a

834
00:35:01,280 --> 00:35:03,200
density you know uh a little bit of

835
00:35:03,200 --> 00:35:05,440
eerie Boulevard because the use of eerie

836
00:35:05,440 --> 00:35:06,760
Boulevard is changing and maybe the

837
00:35:06,760 --> 00:35:09,200
speeds aren't high enough anyways um so

838
00:35:09,200 --> 00:35:10,359
there's certain streets you're going to

839
00:35:10,359 --> 00:35:13,240
be looking at but 95% of the roads we

840
00:35:13,240 --> 00:35:14,440
know the recommendations going to be

841
00:35:14,440 --> 00:35:16,800
their local they're 25 and we're also

842
00:35:16,800 --> 00:35:18,240
stating if you look in your procedure

843
00:35:18,240 --> 00:35:19,400
which I didn't think that you know

844
00:35:19,400 --> 00:35:21,079
you've had time to read that whole thing

845
00:35:21,079 --> 00:35:23,920
is that part of that is saying we really

846
00:35:23,920 --> 00:35:25,680
only want to put these traffic control

847
00:35:25,680 --> 00:35:28,760
devices on local roads

848
00:35:28,760 --> 00:35:30,480
we we I had that in the presentation

849
00:35:30,480 --> 00:35:32,119
slide last time which was the the

850
00:35:32,119 --> 00:35:34,320
emergency routes the arterials we really

851
00:35:34,320 --> 00:35:35,680
you don't want to go driving down State

852
00:35:35,680 --> 00:35:36,680
Street and then all of a sudden oh my

853
00:35:36,680 --> 00:35:38,760
God there's a be that's not that's not

854
00:35:38,760 --> 00:35:40,480
appropriate you know we want to keep you

855
00:35:40,480 --> 00:35:42,800
we actually want traffic to go onto

856
00:35:42,800 --> 00:35:45,040
State Street we want traffic to go on

857
00:35:45,040 --> 00:35:46,760
the Union Street you know that's one of

858
00:35:46,760 --> 00:35:48,280
those things like mclen Street for

859
00:35:48,280 --> 00:35:50,200
example I know that it's primarily

860
00:35:50,200 --> 00:35:53,000
residential but you want the traffic on

861
00:35:53,000 --> 00:35:56,040
mclen street that is the main route you

862
00:35:56,040 --> 00:35:58,640
don't want the traffic to go on on to

863
00:35:58,640 --> 00:36:01,680
Parkwood or Arsley you want and then you

864
00:36:01,680 --> 00:36:04,280
know the residents that are on those

865
00:36:04,280 --> 00:36:10,800
streets it's it is what it is that is a more of a collector row um so you just

866
00:36:10,800 --> 00:36:12,599
have to you try that's the that's the

867
00:36:12,599 --> 00:36:13,920
fear is if you start doing you start

868
00:36:13,920 --> 00:36:18,800
getting people on of that um but it's a balance that we're trying to do

869
00:36:18,800 --> 00:36:20,240
and I think that's an actual a really

870
00:36:20,240 --> 00:36:22,040
good Segway I have one question right

871
00:36:22,040 --> 00:36:24,119
two was related to the minimum distance

872
00:36:24,119 --> 00:36:27,880
for K streets that 500 ft um and the

873
00:36:27,880 --> 00:36:29,599
second part is can you talk about that

874
00:36:29,599 --> 00:36:32,040
makeup speed so the one question is 500

875
00:36:32,040 --> 00:36:35,560
ft would most of our local roads like um

876
00:36:35,560 --> 00:36:38,359
meet that condition and the second is

877
00:36:38,359 --> 00:36:39,680
does the length of the street have

878
00:36:39,680 --> 00:36:41,680
anything to do or does it affect the

879
00:36:41,680 --> 00:36:43,000
that makeup speed we're talking about

880
00:36:43,000 --> 00:36:44,560
with putting in

881
00:36:44,560 --> 00:36:51,190
PKS brief I know what you're talking

882
00:36:51,200 --> 00:36:54,079
about so you're talking about streets of

883
00:36:54,079 --> 00:36:56,119
less than 500

884
00:36:56,119 --> 00:36:59,720
and uh the first question was um the 500

885
00:36:59,720 --> 00:37:01,640
ft didn't have a minimum distance of 500

886
00:37:01,640 --> 00:37:03,440
ft between existing stop signs or

887
00:37:03,440 --> 00:37:06,680
traffic signals it it's just trying to

888
00:37:06,680 --> 00:37:08,960
put something where it's a short block

889
00:37:08,960 --> 00:37:10,400
you don't have something in the middle

890
00:37:10,400 --> 00:37:14,880
500 ft we're looking at um I believe the original one that we're looking at

891
00:37:14,880 --> 00:37:17,480
was closer to 800 ft so we we brought it

892
00:37:17,480 --> 00:37:20,680
down a little bit um and that is one of

893
00:37:20,680 --> 00:37:22,079
the issues that we're going to see is

894
00:37:22,079 --> 00:37:23,839
that's where this is really going to get

895
00:37:23,839 --> 00:37:25,960
a little complex is that if we do this

896
00:37:25,960 --> 00:37:28,119
on a longer Road

897
00:37:28,119 --> 00:37:29,560
there's quite a few that we're going to

898
00:37:29,560 --> 00:37:31,520
start installing and the road's going to

899
00:37:31,520 --> 00:37:33,160
you know one of there's a road in colon

900
00:37:33,160 --> 00:37:34,440
that was one of the first to do this by

901
00:37:34,440 --> 00:37:37,240
a school um I can't remember it's right

902
00:37:37,240 --> 00:37:39,880
off of uh San Creek Road I believe but

903
00:37:39,880 --> 00:37:42,119
they have speed speed humps all the way

904
00:37:42,119 --> 00:37:44,520
down um and they have to be spaced

905
00:37:44,520 --> 00:37:46,480
appropriately so you so you know what

906
00:37:46,480 --> 00:37:50,680
you're what to expect as you go but I

907
00:37:50,680 --> 00:37:54,000
I'll look in but the idea is is that you

908
00:37:54,000 --> 00:37:55,400
just don't have one on a very short

909
00:37:55,400 --> 00:37:57,680
block

910
00:37:57,680 --> 00:38:00,640
uh second question was in the actual

911
00:38:00,640 --> 00:38:02,240
PowerPoint I think it was the first

912
00:38:02,240 --> 00:38:03,839
actual Slide the article two traffic

913
00:38:03,839 --> 00:38:05,720
regulations I know we've talked a lot

914
00:38:05,720 --> 00:38:07,920
about stop signs and LED lights do you

915
00:38:07,920 --> 00:38:09,640
think that'd be an appropriate Landing

916
00:38:09,640 --> 00:38:11,280
space for that to be included I know

917
00:38:11,280 --> 00:38:13,119
you've talked about like the true

918
00:38:13,119 --> 00:38:15,440
definition of traffic calling measures

919
00:38:15,440 --> 00:38:16,640
but I think in my head and

920
00:38:16,640 --> 00:38:17,960
conceptionally of a lot of members in

921
00:38:17,960 --> 00:38:19,359
the community they would see those as

922
00:38:19,359 --> 00:38:21,760
them also um so would you think that is

923
00:38:21,760 --> 00:38:23,599
appropriate to put or add to that or

924
00:38:23,599 --> 00:38:25,560
does it already capture that yeah Mr

925
00:38:25,560 --> 00:38:27,839
chairman if I can yeah I I think that's

926
00:38:27,839 --> 00:38:29,560
already captured it's matters under the

927
00:38:29,560 --> 00:38:32,079
city Authority crosswalk safety zone

928
00:38:32,079 --> 00:38:35,160
traffic Lanes traffic control uh signals

929
00:38:35,160 --> 00:38:38,680
Etc so those types of issues I think are

930
00:38:38,680 --> 00:38:41,560
addressed earlier also referring to the

931
00:38:41,560 --> 00:38:44,920
uh section uh 1603 of the vehicle and

932
00:38:44,920 --> 00:38:48,160
traffic law so those issues regarding

933
00:38:48,160 --> 00:38:51,240
stop signs are are are addressed earlier

934
00:38:51,240 --> 00:38:53,680
I think what the you know Mr wallan was

935
00:38:53,680 --> 00:38:55,040
concerned about is because we're getting

936
00:38:55,040 --> 00:38:58,359
into a realm of Taff traffic cming

937
00:38:58,359 --> 00:39:00,440
devices which are a

938
00:39:00,440 --> 00:39:04,480
different uh entity than a stop sign

939
00:39:04,480 --> 00:39:09,040
speed hum speed speed traffic cables Etc

940
00:39:09,040 --> 00:39:13,599
tra um um school zone cameras

941
00:39:13,599 --> 00:39:16,960
Etc that wasn't in the code and that's

942
00:39:16,960 --> 00:39:18,480
why through the city engineer was

943
00:39:18,480 --> 00:39:20,880
looking for that new section to create

944
00:39:20,880 --> 00:39:23,160
that because it just didn't Envision

945
00:39:23,160 --> 00:39:25,440
those types of devices but the more

946
00:39:25,440 --> 00:39:28,720
traditional devices the stops Etc that's

947
00:39:28,720 --> 00:39:30,520
already in the in the engineers

948
00:39:30,520 --> 00:39:32,440
Authority we did something similar to

949
00:39:32,440 --> 00:39:36,079
this 8 years ago where our parking

950
00:39:36,079 --> 00:39:37,800
sections of the code which is also under

951
00:39:37,800 --> 00:39:39,760
C the engineer Authority did not

952
00:39:39,760 --> 00:39:43,359
anticipate apps or kiosks the the

953
00:39:43,359 --> 00:39:45,119
parking code only made reference to

954
00:39:45,119 --> 00:39:48,359
meters and coins and tokens so we hadn't

955
00:39:48,359 --> 00:39:51,160
issued a token in you know about 15

956
00:39:51,160 --> 00:39:53,640
years 20 years at that point so we we

957
00:39:53,640 --> 00:39:55,599
updated the code so this is similar here

958
00:39:55,599 --> 00:39:57,480
that the traffic caling measures these

959
00:39:57,480 --> 00:39:59,160
are even phrases that weren't said when

960
00:39:59,160 --> 00:40:02,640
the when traffic caling

961
00:40:02,640 --> 00:40:04,880
was I think I just want to say that I

962
00:40:04,880 --> 00:40:07,240
think one of um Mr Wall's suggestions

963
00:40:07,240 --> 00:40:10,640
was um adding and similar devices at the

964
00:40:10,640 --> 00:40:12,640
end of that first sentence so that might

965
00:40:12,640 --> 00:40:15,119
cover some but also you know but not

966
00:40:15,119 --> 00:40:18,599
limited to I think that's broadens it

967
00:40:18,599 --> 00:40:19,720
you know in other words these are

968
00:40:19,720 --> 00:40:22,920
examples right so as new types of

969
00:40:22,920 --> 00:40:25,119
devices are developed you can always put

970
00:40:25,119 --> 00:40:26,800
that in there so it's not limited it's

971
00:40:26,800 --> 00:40:28,440
just those are the types of devices that

972
00:40:28,440 --> 00:40:31,200
will go into next SE yeah I think often

973
00:40:31,200 --> 00:40:32,839
times that specifically with like job

974
00:40:32,839 --> 00:40:34,680
applications they put the as or other

975
00:40:34,680 --> 00:40:36,920
duties as assigned so I think to those

976
00:40:36,920 --> 00:40:38,400
around the table and I imagine to those

977
00:40:38,400 --> 00:40:39,960
that you work closely with this is

978
00:40:39,960 --> 00:40:41,520
common language but just breaking it out

979
00:40:41,520 --> 00:40:43,000
for some people who are Tuning In For

980
00:40:43,000 --> 00:40:44,960
the First Time hello then it also

981
00:40:44,960 --> 00:40:47,240
includes other areas as well um so

982
00:40:47,240 --> 00:40:49,000
unless there are any other questions or

983
00:40:49,000 --> 00:40:52,160
comments um I think Mr Brian you asking

984
00:40:52,160 --> 00:40:54,960
for us to public hearing public hearing

985
00:40:54,960 --> 00:40:57,920
so we need to move for a public hearing

986
00:40:57,920 --> 00:41:00,599
the only yes Mr when Mr was speaking you

987
00:41:00,599 --> 00:41:03,119
were asking about um doing this and

988
00:41:03,119 --> 00:41:05,280
having the passing the resolution on

989
00:41:05,280 --> 00:41:07,480
suay I'm you know I'm a little reluctant

990
00:41:07,480 --> 00:41:09,280
to do that you can do that it's an

991
00:41:09,280 --> 00:41:10,960
option you can it's an option people

992
00:41:10,960 --> 00:41:12,319
come to speak at public hearing and if

993
00:41:12,319 --> 00:41:15,520
people come we don't want to say okay no

994
00:41:15,520 --> 00:41:18,200
going move ahead so I preer to stretch

995
00:41:18,200 --> 00:41:21,160
that out and what let me just clarify I

996
00:41:21,160 --> 00:41:23,280
mean when you pass the ordinance when

997
00:41:23,280 --> 00:41:25,400
you pass the ordinance creating that new

998
00:41:25,400 --> 00:41:26,800
section it's not in the public hearing

999
00:41:26,800 --> 00:41:28,839
of doing the that on the same matter

1000
00:41:28,839 --> 00:41:31,839
what I'm saying is that when you pass

1001
00:41:31,839 --> 00:41:33,720
the or after you have the public hearing

1002
00:41:33,720 --> 00:41:37,160
the me transpires you goes to committee

1003
00:41:37,160 --> 00:41:39,240
one more time at that point you'll be

1004
00:41:39,240 --> 00:41:42,520
looking at the the the the policy and

1005
00:41:42,520 --> 00:41:44,440
guidance and then you'll be looking at

1006
00:41:44,440 --> 00:41:46,200
the Ordinance one last time and then you

1007
00:41:46,200 --> 00:41:48,760
can pass both out at the next time and

1008
00:41:48,760 --> 00:41:50,560
what I'm saying is the resolution for

1009
00:41:50,560 --> 00:41:54,880
the uh the uh the guidance can go at the

1010
00:41:54,880 --> 00:41:57,280
same time and you pass the ordinance

1011
00:41:57,280 --> 00:42:00,160
Point clarification thank

1012
00:42:00,160 --> 00:42:02,480
you unless there any other questions or

1013
00:42:02,480 --> 00:42:04,839
further um

1014
00:42:04,839 --> 00:42:07,640
breakdowns so so we're moving to call

1015
00:42:07,640 --> 00:42:10,720
for public hearing to amend chap section

1016
00:42:10,720 --> 00:42:15,960
24811 and two CH 228

1017
00:42:15,960 --> 00:42:21,440
19 yes so a second second all in favor I

1018
00:42:21,440 --> 00:42:23,880
uh then next are you enjoying the

1019
00:42:23,880 --> 00:42:26,880
traffic safety presentations I am okay

1020
00:42:26,880 --> 00:42:28,680
just this is a new thing for me to do a

1021
00:42:28,680 --> 00:42:31,440
presentation with thank you very much

1022
00:42:31,440 --> 00:42:33,160
thank

1023
00:42:33,160 --> 00:42:35,800
you just app pointed for clarification

1024
00:42:35,800 --> 00:42:38,240
that will be the the second meeting in

1025
00:42:38,240 --> 00:42:40,040
October yes we're going to call for the

1026
00:42:40,040 --> 00:42:41,200
public hearing but we're not going to

1027
00:42:41,200 --> 00:42:43,480
have it until the second meeting in

1028
00:42:43,480 --> 00:42:47,680
October yes okay so the second item on

1029
00:42:47,680 --> 00:42:49,760
the agenda tonight is the discussion to

1030
00:42:49,760 --> 00:42:52,960
amend city code chapter2 um last week

1031
00:42:52,960 --> 00:42:54,680
we're able to have a special meeting

1032
00:42:54,680 --> 00:42:56,400
which I thought was very informational

1033
00:42:56,400 --> 00:42:58,880
and allowed us to have a very detailed

1034
00:42:58,880 --> 00:43:01,000
conversation uh about the matter so just

1035
00:43:01,000 --> 00:43:03,280
wanting to snapshot uh what was

1036
00:43:03,280 --> 00:43:04,960
discussed I broke it down into three

1037
00:43:04,960 --> 00:43:07,720
areas enforcement law and Council so the

1038
00:43:07,720 --> 00:43:09,599
enforcement it was identified that noise

1039
00:43:09,599 --> 00:43:11,800
complaints are a lower lower priority

1040
00:43:11,800 --> 00:43:13,960
calls which delay response times and are

1041
00:43:13,960 --> 00:43:16,160
restricted to Staffing constraints

1042
00:43:16,160 --> 00:43:17,559
however there will be future discussions

1043
00:43:17,559 --> 00:43:20,359
to expand uh to incorporate drones as

1044
00:43:20,359 --> 00:43:23,040
Force responders pending statutory uh

1045
00:43:23,040 --> 00:43:25,160
obligations uh areas of focus are going

1046
00:43:25,160 --> 00:43:26,720
to be communicating noise complaint

1047
00:43:26,720 --> 00:43:28,760
warnings during ship change uh

1048
00:43:28,760 --> 00:43:31,079
increasing education to inform offenders

1049
00:43:31,079 --> 00:43:33,280
of potential fines and a potential

1050
00:43:33,280 --> 00:43:36,640
permit process uh three seeking Clarity

1051
00:43:36,640 --> 00:43:39,079
on appearance tickets uh and four

1052
00:43:39,079 --> 00:43:40,839
granting officers the ability to seize

1053
00:43:40,839 --> 00:43:43,160
or remove noise reproducing

1054
00:43:43,160 --> 00:43:45,839
equipment uh the next area which was law

1055
00:43:45,839 --> 00:43:47,359
identified that plea Agreements are

1056
00:43:47,359 --> 00:43:49,079
commonly sought out to limit the volume

1057
00:43:49,079 --> 00:43:52,160
of Trials and increasing uh fee

1058
00:43:52,160 --> 00:43:54,440
collection and justifying attempts to

1059
00:43:54,440 --> 00:43:57,240
enforce penalties in full will require

1060
00:43:57,240 --> 00:43:59,800
or was recommended uh to increase

1061
00:43:59,800 --> 00:44:01,880
penalties uh to support more frequent

1062
00:44:01,880 --> 00:44:04,000
Court appearances and then the areas are

1063
00:44:04,000 --> 00:44:06,680
focused in that area was uh how many

1064
00:44:06,680 --> 00:44:09,400
fines were collected in 2024 uh what

1065
00:44:09,400 --> 00:44:11,680
information is needed to charge to file

1066
00:44:11,680 --> 00:44:14,280
charges or penalties uh advising

1067
00:44:14,280 --> 00:44:15,920
religious or cultural ceremonies of

1068
00:44:15,920 --> 00:44:17,839
proper conduct or potential permit

1069
00:44:17,839 --> 00:44:20,400
processes again and then evaluating

1070
00:44:20,400 --> 00:44:21,920
penalties against

1071
00:44:21,920 --> 00:44:24,119
installers uh the next area which was

1072
00:44:24,119 --> 00:44:27,119
the council or I think us uh was their

1073
00:44:27,119 --> 00:44:29,000
appear to be an equal consensus with

1074
00:44:29,000 --> 00:44:30,559
raising and keeping penalties at their

1075
00:44:30,559 --> 00:44:33,839
current level uh the areas of focus um

1076
00:44:33,839 --> 00:44:35,880
identifyed reviewing code and penalties

1077
00:44:35,880 --> 00:44:38,960
against Vehicles pets construction and

1078
00:44:38,960 --> 00:44:41,400
Firework noise offenders uh posting

1079
00:44:41,400 --> 00:44:43,920
signage to monitor noise and parks with

1080
00:44:43,920 --> 00:44:46,440
non-emerging police numbers and then

1081
00:44:46,440 --> 00:44:49,119
updating chapter 183 which is a noise

1082
00:44:49,119 --> 00:44:52,000
ordinance to raise point value for noise

1083
00:44:52,000 --> 00:44:54,119
complaints and then overall I just

1084
00:44:54,119 --> 00:44:56,160
wanted to thank my colleagues the mayor

1085
00:44:56,160 --> 00:44:58,119
commissioner nine assistant chief

1086
00:44:58,119 --> 00:44:59,640
antonovich and Miss barash for

1087
00:44:59,640 --> 00:45:01,520
acknowledging this greater issue or

1088
00:45:01,520 --> 00:45:03,640
growing issue and placing an important

1089
00:45:03,640 --> 00:45:06,440
emphasis on educating our community and

1090
00:45:06,440 --> 00:45:09,160
then in uh wanted to just capture

1091
00:45:09,160 --> 00:45:11,640
everything next steps were to identify

1092
00:45:11,640 --> 00:45:14,800
chapter 183 uh to review the process for

1093
00:45:14,800 --> 00:45:17,000
civilian complaints and their needed

1094
00:45:17,000 --> 00:45:19,880
documentation and evaluating the penalty

1095
00:45:19,880 --> 00:45:22,559
schedule in addition to evaluating a

1096
00:45:22,559 --> 00:45:25,119
potential permit process moving forward

1097
00:45:25,119 --> 00:45:26,359
so at this time I want to ask if there

1098
00:45:26,359 --> 00:45:29,119
are any Mis or any further comments

1099
00:45:29,119 --> 00:45:31,599
about the event from the

1100
00:45:31,599 --> 00:45:33,559
colleagues the only thing you said

1101
00:45:33,559 --> 00:45:36,200
chapter 183 was a noise when

1102
00:45:36,200 --> 00:45:39,680
it okay just want to thank you for

1103
00:45:39,680 --> 00:45:41,760
people listening other than that I think

1104
00:45:41,760 --> 00:45:43,920
that you've captured what we had a and

1105
00:45:43,920 --> 00:45:48,200
you know you know mind we had a we had a length of discussion an hour and a an

1106
00:45:48,200 --> 00:45:49,480
hour and a half which I think is very

1107
00:45:49,480 --> 00:45:52,079
beneficial but it just goes to what Mr

1108
00:45:52,079 --> 00:45:53,359
wall was actually saying why it's

1109
00:45:53,359 --> 00:45:54,839
important that we have those kind of

1110
00:45:54,839 --> 00:45:57,119
committee meetings outside of um the

1111
00:45:57,119 --> 00:45:58,839
meeting here so we can really dive in

1112
00:45:58,839 --> 00:46:01,119
and and have uh other individuals who

1113
00:46:01,119 --> 00:46:02,480
need to be there to give us information

1114
00:46:02,480 --> 00:46:04,079
there so thank you for pulling that

1115
00:46:04,079 --> 00:46:05,119
together

1116
00:46:05,119 --> 00:46:07,839
absolutely um I was just wondering um

1117
00:46:07,839 --> 00:46:10,400
did you mention the discussion that we

1118
00:46:10,400 --> 00:46:13,440
had and you might have um about how do

1119
00:46:13,440 --> 00:46:14,920
we get people to change their behavior

1120
00:46:14,920 --> 00:46:16,160
and be more respectful of their

1121
00:46:16,160 --> 00:46:18,760
neighbors in terms of that education

1122
00:46:18,760 --> 00:46:20,960
piece yeah I wrote that into like the

1123
00:46:20,960 --> 00:46:23,359
great like educating our community um

1124
00:46:23,359 --> 00:46:25,920
but definitely I appreciate um making

1125
00:46:25,920 --> 00:46:27,640
sure that that is also capture that's a

1126
00:46:27,640 --> 00:46:29,480
huge as

1127
00:46:29,480 --> 00:46:32,240
well yeah Jan just add to that very good

1128
00:46:32,240 --> 00:46:36,920
and detail um description I had ask um

1129
00:46:36,920 --> 00:46:38,400
cooperation Council to look into

1130
00:46:38,400 --> 00:46:41,359
legislation in terms of loudspeaker and

1131
00:46:41,359 --> 00:46:43,559
the exhaust if we can able to legislate

1132
00:46:43,559 --> 00:46:46,440
that locally here is a state law but um

1133
00:46:46,440 --> 00:46:49,119
our Corporation Council um is looking

1134
00:46:49,119 --> 00:46:51,400
into that if we can do something local

1135
00:46:51,400 --> 00:46:53,920
and also drone as a force responder if

1136
00:46:53,920 --> 00:46:56,119
we need legislation for that if we're

1137
00:46:56,119 --> 00:46:57,400
going to use the Drone as First

1138
00:46:57,400 --> 00:47:00,200
Responders so that we put some

1139
00:47:00,200 --> 00:47:02,319
protection to our Police Department

1140
00:47:02,319 --> 00:47:05,920
whenever that is um used as a for

1141
00:47:05,920 --> 00:47:08,240
respond the same thing also to AC you

1142
00:47:08,240 --> 00:47:11,119
mention forit legislation on and forit

1143
00:47:11,119 --> 00:47:15,280
application as we move forward to this

1144
00:47:15,280 --> 00:47:17,319
section thank you any other questions or

1145
00:47:17,319 --> 00:47:19,160
comments Mr Patrick I don't know I mean

1146
00:47:19,160 --> 00:47:22,480
I know I uh sent late uh my suggestions

1147
00:47:22,480 --> 00:47:24,440
based on our meeting on Friday and I

1148
00:47:24,440 --> 00:47:26,920
didn't know if others did but can we

1149
00:47:26,920 --> 00:47:28,400
trying to I mean I don't know I guess

1150
00:47:28,400 --> 00:47:29,920
the next step we have to continue this

1151
00:47:29,920 --> 00:47:35,359
discussion so could we um maybe have if other council members and and Mr

1152
00:47:35,359 --> 00:47:37,000
Williams's comments that he just made it

1153
00:47:37,000 --> 00:47:39,160
would be great to have all those in

1154
00:47:39,160 --> 00:47:40,839
front of us and to help us prepare for

1155
00:47:40,839 --> 00:47:43,440
when we do have the next discussion or I

1156
00:47:43,440 --> 00:47:45,280
would say I took into consideration so

1157
00:47:45,280 --> 00:47:46,960
these were not all inclusive like my

1158
00:47:46,960 --> 00:47:48,800
thought it was a capture of the event

1159
00:47:48,800 --> 00:47:55,079
and then what I received so far okay then mrb had your hand raised again

1160
00:47:55,079 --> 00:47:57,440
yeah I'm regarding traffic well we look

1161
00:47:57,440 --> 00:48:00,040
under there um there is

1162
00:48:00,040 --> 00:48:03,880
a currently uh in the code a section on

1163
00:48:03,880 --> 00:48:07,240
uh noisy vehicles um that covers a

1164
00:48:07,240 --> 00:48:09,079
number of uh

1165
00:48:09,079 --> 00:48:13,160
situations um and that uh

1166
00:48:13,160 --> 00:48:16,079
so these vehicles is that's looking

1167
00:48:16,079 --> 00:48:18,240
under

1168
00:48:18,240 --> 00:48:21,680
1824 uh we can also look that look at

1169
00:48:21,680 --> 00:48:23,319
that in conjunction with anything the

1170
00:48:23,319 --> 00:48:25,559
vehicle and traffic law that also deals

1171
00:48:25,559 --> 00:48:28,720
with loud mufflers C for for violations

1172
00:48:28,720 --> 00:48:32,640
of the state vehicle and traffic law and

1173
00:48:32,640 --> 00:48:34,920
regarding the issue as to drones and

1174
00:48:34,920 --> 00:48:37,119
that one way we have to be very careful

1175
00:48:37,119 --> 00:48:41,920
about that um invasion of privacy Etc um

1176
00:48:41,920 --> 00:48:44,880
because drones um have to be used in a

1177
00:48:44,880 --> 00:48:52,599
very circumstan type Manner and um um so

1178
00:48:52,599 --> 00:48:57,680
that will require research but it's

1179
00:48:57,680 --> 00:49:00,119
you could be peering into areas that

1180
00:49:00,119 --> 00:49:02,599
you're not supposed to be peering into

1181
00:49:02,599 --> 00:49:05,160
because it's one thing to have cameras

1182
00:49:05,160 --> 00:49:07,400
on a in a public way this thing is going

1183
00:49:07,400 --> 00:49:11,400
into private areas one must be very very

1184
00:49:11,400 --> 00:49:14,599
careful and uh also technology wise do

1185
00:49:14,599 --> 00:49:16,960
we have the technology to do that do the

1186
00:49:16,960 --> 00:49:18,880
officers have the ability to capture

1187
00:49:18,880 --> 00:49:22,760
sounds off of that and also regarding

1188
00:49:22,760 --> 00:49:24,880
when they're responding to the scene do

1189
00:49:24,880 --> 00:49:27,200
their body cameras pick up those types

1190
00:49:27,200 --> 00:49:30,319
of what as they're approaching the scene

1191
00:49:30,319 --> 00:49:34,160
is it is it picking up the the the sound

1192
00:49:34,160 --> 00:49:37,000
and in in realistic terms and whether

1193
00:49:37,000 --> 00:49:39,640
that can also be downloaded to be used

1194
00:49:39,640 --> 00:49:42,520
at a at a court proed so those are

1195
00:49:42,520 --> 00:49:44,599
obviously legal and technical issues

1196
00:49:44,599 --> 00:49:46,799
that have to be

1197
00:49:46,799 --> 00:49:49,079
addressed and actually some of those a

1198
00:49:49,079 --> 00:49:51,319
couple the Drone specifically I brought

1199
00:49:51,319 --> 00:49:53,480
up because I had concerns about what

1200
00:49:53,480 --> 00:49:54,799
people would be thinking about drones

1201
00:49:54,799 --> 00:49:56,280
flying over their houses because they're

1202
00:49:56,280 --> 00:49:59,400
having a party um but uh commissioner

1203
00:49:59,400 --> 00:50:01,960
Divine was here so we did ask them to

1204
00:50:01,960 --> 00:50:03,799
conern you know to bring information

1205
00:50:03,799 --> 00:50:05,280
about whe whether or not that's

1206
00:50:05,280 --> 00:50:08,559
something that we could do legally right

1207
00:50:08,559 --> 00:50:10,920
um so and you're right it does has have

1208
00:50:10,920 --> 00:50:13,480
about the noise in the ordinance already

1209
00:50:13,480 --> 00:50:16,079
but we the um the modified Mufflers was

1210
00:50:16,079 --> 00:50:17,480
one of the things which is actually in

1211
00:50:17,480 --> 00:50:19,880
here but uh that was there was that one

1212
00:50:19,880 --> 00:50:21,319
and there was one other thing about the

1213
00:50:21,319 --> 00:50:23,799
cars okay well I mean there may be

1214
00:50:23,799 --> 00:50:25,559
something in the VNT law the vehicle and

1215
00:50:25,559 --> 00:50:27,680
traffic law that

1216
00:50:27,680 --> 00:50:30,280
address that as well so we can we can

1217
00:50:30,280 --> 00:50:32,920
take a look at that so for the next

1218
00:50:32,920 --> 00:50:34,319
meeting I think it would be helpful to

1219
00:50:34,319 --> 00:50:36,280
have that if there's anything within the

1220
00:50:36,280 --> 00:50:38,400
vehicle and traffic wall to have the

1221
00:50:38,400 --> 00:50:40,880
information provided for us as well

1222
00:50:40,880 --> 00:50:43,400
sounds good anyway as far just really

1223
00:50:43,400 --> 00:50:44,920
quick and and you guys might have

1224
00:50:44,920 --> 00:50:46,280
covered this point I'm just wondering

1225
00:50:46,280 --> 00:50:49,680
about when we're you know responding um

1226
00:50:49,680 --> 00:50:52,440
and time SOB brien's Point there's

1227
00:50:52,440 --> 00:50:55,599
different you know are all the you know

1228
00:50:55,599 --> 00:50:57,200
body cans

1229
00:50:57,200 --> 00:50:59,160
are they all you know equipped to

1230
00:50:59,160 --> 00:51:01,960
measure whatever sound deciel that we're

1231
00:51:01,960 --> 00:51:04,799
at this cuz right now I know that you

1232
00:51:04,799 --> 00:51:06,400
know from my understanding it they

1233
00:51:06,400 --> 00:51:08,760
shaking their head no so what they told

1234
00:51:08,760 --> 00:51:11,520
us at the meeting was there's no there's

1235
00:51:11,520 --> 00:51:13,319
they don't have any Deo meetings right

1236
00:51:13,319 --> 00:51:15,000
now it's whether you can hear within 50

1237
00:51:15,000 --> 00:51:17,680
ft so if you have really good

1238
00:51:17,680 --> 00:51:20,400
hearing or not so great hearing uh so

1239
00:51:20,400 --> 00:51:23,799
that's what the assistant chief right an

1240
00:51:23,799 --> 00:51:26,280
noich um said that within 50 ft is the

1241
00:51:26,280 --> 00:51:28,200
gu right now you can hear it within 50

1242
00:51:28,200 --> 00:51:33,349
ft and it's to

1243
00:51:33,359 --> 00:51:35,920
L sounds like you guys were addressing

1244
00:51:35,920 --> 00:51:38,599
some of the um cultural celebrations and

1245
00:51:38,599 --> 00:51:40,839
things like that I just think know

1246
00:51:40,839 --> 00:51:42,559
already on I just kind of highlight that

1247
00:51:42,559 --> 00:51:45,440
make sure that because leaving things up

1248
00:51:45,440 --> 00:51:48,680
to a certain level of discretion can

1249
00:51:48,680 --> 00:51:52,280
cause you can um unintentionally but

1250
00:51:52,280 --> 00:51:54,440
perpetually you know some biases and

1251
00:51:54,440 --> 00:51:55,920
it's a tough thing to talk about but

1252
00:51:55,920 --> 00:51:57,040
should probably just make sure that

1253
00:51:57,040 --> 00:51:58,480
that's at the front of our mind will

1254
00:51:58,480 --> 00:51:59,559
around this

1255
00:51:59,559 --> 00:52:01,839
conversation and then to that point I

1256
00:52:01,839 --> 00:52:03,559
think just trying to evaluate areas in

1257
00:52:03,559 --> 00:52:05,559
which the code can be responsive to our

1258
00:52:05,559 --> 00:52:08,040
changing Society while still being

1259
00:52:08,040 --> 00:52:10,640
adherent to like emerging technology and

1260
00:52:10,640 --> 00:52:13,920
its um uh and his impact on people's

1261
00:52:13,920 --> 00:52:16,359
lives IE the drones um but then also how

1262
00:52:16,359 --> 00:52:19,520
do we use technology that's coming in um

1263
00:52:19,520 --> 00:52:23,040
to leverage to really reduce or improve

1264
00:52:23,040 --> 00:52:27,160
at saying the nances quality of life for our residents so I think this why

1265
00:52:27,160 --> 00:52:29,760
there was a really big emphasis on just

1266
00:52:29,760 --> 00:52:32,400
people being aware of the impact of

1267
00:52:32,400 --> 00:52:34,720
their actions um but then also

1268
00:52:34,720 --> 00:52:35,559
understanding there's no perfect

1269
00:52:35,559 --> 00:52:37,559
solution so the thing we kind of started

1270
00:52:37,559 --> 00:52:40,640
off with was this issue noise is not

1271
00:52:40,640 --> 00:52:43,160
something that's specific or unique

1272
00:52:43,160 --> 00:52:45,880
to but I do appreciate how our city is

1273
00:52:45,880 --> 00:52:47,880
very uh open and acknowledging of these

1274
00:52:47,880 --> 00:52:49,720
types of issues and seeks to address

1275
00:52:49,720 --> 00:52:51,280
them head on so I think with the

1276
00:52:51,280 --> 00:52:53,960
conversations continuing I think we'll

1277
00:52:53,960 --> 00:52:55,400
continue to position ourselves to

1278
00:52:55,400 --> 00:52:57,000
address this m

1279
00:52:57,000 --> 00:52:59,280
um so there any other questions or

1280
00:52:59,280 --> 00:53:02,000
comments Mr yeah just as a followup

1281
00:53:02,000 --> 00:53:04,359
regarding the vehicle and traffic law uh

1282
00:53:04,359 --> 00:53:10,430
under

1283
00:53:10,440 --> 00:53:13,200
182-pound traffic law we'll discuss that

1284
00:53:13,200 --> 00:53:17,240
in detail next time that section so um

1285
00:53:17,240 --> 00:53:20,319
everybody knows what that entails um and

1286
00:53:20,319 --> 00:53:24,200
the uh the uh

1287
00:53:24,200 --> 00:53:26,880
1825 mentions that section regarding

1288
00:53:26,880 --> 00:53:28,440
automobiles but it also goes through a

1289
00:53:28,440 --> 00:53:31,359
whole list of criteria which is but not

1290
00:53:31,359 --> 00:53:34,000
limited to so it's it's the whole it's

1291
00:53:34,000 --> 00:53:37,119
is it's broad dealing with that with

1292
00:53:37,119 --> 00:53:39,520
that issue it's it's included but not

1293
00:53:39,520 --> 00:53:41,440
limited to it's a whole different

1294
00:53:41,440 --> 00:53:44,000
factors the time of the day whether it's

1295
00:53:44,000 --> 00:53:47,319
noise the duration of the noise so um

1296
00:53:47,319 --> 00:53:49,359
those are all factors that our current

1297
00:53:49,359 --> 00:53:51,640
ordinance already covers but we will

1298
00:53:51,640 --> 00:53:54,160
take a look at that and uh report back

1299
00:53:54,160 --> 00:53:57,160
regarding vehicle traffic law uh

1300
00:53:57,160 --> 00:53:59,160
incorporation which is good that that

1301
00:53:59,160 --> 00:54:01,280
it's already that law is already

1302
00:54:01,280 --> 00:54:03,280
Incorporated by reference into our our

1303
00:54:03,280 --> 00:54:06,920
stat our ordinance so that's good

1304
00:54:06,920 --> 00:54:09,200
andrick is the

1305
00:54:09,200 --> 00:54:12,400
OT um that we discussed instead of the

1306
00:54:12,400 --> 00:54:15,680
decel the 80 de reading is that in here

1307
00:54:15,680 --> 00:54:19,200
it is in here okay it's 80

1308
00:54:19,200 --> 00:54:22,319
D no I know but um basically it was

1309
00:54:22,319 --> 00:54:24,280
explained to us that rather than using

1310
00:54:24,280 --> 00:54:28,280
that they're using the 50 50 foot

1311
00:54:28,280 --> 00:54:30,440
measure because we don't want the

1312
00:54:30,440 --> 00:54:35,680
device right but yeah so not I mean I

1313
00:54:35,680 --> 00:54:37,119
think we we're going to go to our me

1314
00:54:37,119 --> 00:54:38,640
other meeting and really discuss it more

1315
00:54:38,640 --> 00:54:40,680
but actually in our in our code it

1316
00:54:40,680 --> 00:54:42,559
really refers to 25

1317
00:54:42,559 --> 00:54:45,760
ft what uh assistant chief anovich I

1318
00:54:45,760 --> 00:54:47,359
think he was talking about the vehicle

1319
00:54:47,359 --> 00:54:50,119
and traffic about another ordinance

1320
00:54:50,119 --> 00:54:52,720
because in here it says 25 clearly

1321
00:54:52,720 --> 00:54:59,359
25 so that's um on page no I got see

1322
00:54:59,359 --> 00:55:02,000
that any other questions or comments

1323
00:55:02,000 --> 00:55:03,240
hearing

1324
00:55:03,240 --> 00:55:06,200
on so moving on to the last agenda item

1325
00:55:06,200 --> 00:55:08,920
is the appointment of Anthony Jud to the

1326
00:55:08,920 --> 00:55:12,670
civilian police review

1327
00:55:12,680 --> 00:55:17,549
board

1328
00:55:17,559 --> 00:55:21,039
uh hello um Anthony Jud has shown

1329
00:55:21,039 --> 00:55:22,559
interest in participating in the

1330
00:55:22,559 --> 00:55:25,319
civilian police review board his resume

1331
00:55:25,319 --> 00:55:28,640
was brought forth by deine and Carl

1332
00:55:28,640 --> 00:55:30,920
brought it forth to the mayor um the

1333
00:55:30,920 --> 00:55:32,799
mayor did meet with him on Wednesday

1334
00:55:32,799 --> 00:55:36,319
August 28th and was want to proceed and

1335
00:55:36,319 --> 00:55:39,400
appointing him to the

1336
00:55:39,400 --> 00:55:43,079
board yeah so thank you for that so

1337
00:55:43,079 --> 00:55:47,440
um yes okay so so Mr he probably met him

1338
00:55:47,440 --> 00:55:49,119
he's been here several times maybe you

1339
00:55:49,119 --> 00:55:51,200
know he was CU one of the two gentlemen

1340
00:55:51,200 --> 00:55:52,680
that have been coming here to the

1341
00:55:52,680 --> 00:55:55,720
meetings um pretty consistently and uh

1342
00:55:55,720 --> 00:55:57,559
showed an and they actually forwarded

1343
00:55:57,559 --> 00:56:01,200
their resume and in Miss paler and Mr

1344
00:56:01,200 --> 00:56:02,799
Williams just trying to make sure it got

1345
00:56:02,799 --> 00:56:04,520
pushed through the process so there was

1346
00:56:04,520 --> 00:56:05,720
two of them that actually were

1347
00:56:05,720 --> 00:56:08,160
interested and so one of them the mayor

1348
00:56:08,160 --> 00:56:14,119
met with yes and chose um Mr Jud yes

1349
00:56:14,119 --> 00:56:16,280
there you have questions

1350
00:56:16,280 --> 00:56:19,000
comments motion second second all those

1351
00:56:19,000 --> 00:56:21,720
in favor all are there any items that

1352
00:56:21,720 --> 00:56:24,599
call Public Safety hearing have motion

1353
00:56:24,599 --> 00:56:29,440
so move so move second CL in favor I we

1354
00:56:29,440 --> 00:56:31,680
are I would like to call the finance

1355
00:56:31,680 --> 00:56:33,680
committee to order on the fourth item is

1356
00:56:33,680 --> 00:56:39,039
the 20 24 2025 final annual action plan

1357
00:56:39,039 --> 00:56:42,119
allocation Vice Miss

1358
00:56:42,119 --> 00:56:44,839
car good evening City Council Members

1359
00:56:44,839 --> 00:56:49,160
I'll bring before you a updated revised

1360
00:56:49,160 --> 00:56:52,839
um version of our 20124 25 annual action

1361
00:56:52,839 --> 00:56:54,760
plan after another review with HUD we

1362
00:56:54,760 --> 00:56:56,400
had to make some slight adjustments to

1363
00:56:56,400 --> 00:56:58,079
our plan and make sure that we were

1364
00:56:58,079 --> 00:57:00,559
aligned with our regulatory caps that we

1365
00:57:00,559 --> 00:57:03,839
need to adhere to so I listed them out

1366
00:57:03,839 --> 00:57:09,200
um we had to lessen our home admin by $

1367
00:57:09,200 --> 00:57:14,039
7,325 192 we had to increase our Habitat

1368
00:57:14,039 --> 00:57:17,520
Humanity funding project by

1369
00:57:17,520 --> 00:57:21,480
$7,295 Habitat for Humanity home is a

1370
00:57:21,480 --> 00:57:24,960
Cho and we have to have a minimum of 15%

1371
00:57:24,960 --> 00:57:27,039
of our allocation go to towards Cho and

1372
00:57:27,039 --> 00:57:29,400
it's the one home project that had room

1373
00:57:29,400 --> 00:57:31,680
um to still increase and we moved two

1374
00:57:31,680 --> 00:57:34,520
cdbg projects and recategorize them in

1375
00:57:34,520 --> 00:57:36,680
our nrsa area which is our neighborhood

1376
00:57:36,680 --> 00:57:39,079
revitalization strategy area and those

1377
00:57:39,079 --> 00:57:41,640
include the Empowerment Center and boys

1378
00:57:41,640 --> 00:57:44,240
and girls club we move them because if

1379
00:57:44,240 --> 00:57:46,280
they are in the nrsa area they don't

1380
00:57:46,280 --> 00:57:49,359
have there is no cap so it allowed us to

1381
00:57:49,359 --> 00:57:51,400
continue to funding with the other items

1382
00:57:51,400 --> 00:57:55,079
under just regular cdbg which has a 7.5%

1383
00:57:55,079 --> 00:57:57,359
um allocation cap

1384
00:57:57,359 --> 00:58:00,000
the ACT today is um for city council to

1385
00:58:00,000 --> 00:58:02,559
accept the new the revised annual action

1386
00:58:02,559 --> 00:58:06,599
plan um with the Amendments

1387
00:58:06,599 --> 00:58:09,760
indicated questions

1388
00:58:09,760 --> 00:58:12,400
comments sitting now may have a motion

1389
00:58:12,400 --> 00:58:15,000
to move this

1390
00:58:15,000 --> 00:58:21,119
forward all in favor I thank you thank you the next item is the

1391
00:58:21,119 --> 00:58:24,480
police department fees and revenue

1392
00:58:24,480 --> 00:58:27,680
proposal assistant chief

1393
00:58:27,680 --> 00:58:31,079
R so back last year when we were going

1394
00:58:31,079 --> 00:58:34,039
over the budget um one of the items take

1395
00:58:34,039 --> 00:58:36,200
away from the budget was um looking at

1396
00:58:36,200 --> 00:58:39,799
our fees some of our fees are outdated

1397
00:58:39,799 --> 00:58:41,720
and this is a step that I have taken

1398
00:58:41,720 --> 00:58:43,480
after the budget into this year to kind

1399
00:58:43,480 --> 00:58:46,799
of look at it and um here we are today

1400
00:58:46,799 --> 00:58:48,559
with the police department presenting

1401
00:58:48,559 --> 00:58:51,079
their fee for

1402
00:58:51,079 --> 00:58:53,680
full assistant chief it's all yours

1403
00:58:53,680 --> 00:58:55,400
thank you very much uh so we going start

1404
00:58:55,400 --> 00:58:57,640
off there's four different areas where I

1405
00:58:57,640 --> 00:58:59,720
think the fees can be increased uh to

1406
00:58:59,720 --> 00:59:02,230
start

1407
00:59:02,240 --> 00:59:05,960
with we will go to the false alarm fees

1408
00:59:05,960 --> 00:59:08,200
uh right now we'll get into what the

1409
00:59:08,200 --> 00:59:09,880
actual false alarm fees are in the next

1410
00:59:09,880 --> 00:59:12,319
slide but a false alarm is charged after

1411
00:59:12,319 --> 00:59:14,920
four free false alarms within the city

1412
00:59:14,920 --> 00:59:16,799
so if there's basically we go to

1413
00:59:16,799 --> 00:59:19,039
someone's business or residence four

1414
00:59:19,039 --> 00:59:22,079
different times uh for false alarm for

1415
00:59:22,079 --> 00:59:26,599
faulty wiring or um the failure to

1416
00:59:26,599 --> 00:59:29,079
maintain their alarm system we go there

1417
00:59:29,079 --> 00:59:31,720
four times for free and the fifth one we

1418
00:59:31,720 --> 00:59:35,359
charge $25 the second one we charge 50

1419
00:59:35,359 --> 00:59:39,599
third 75 and 12 125 Beyond from there so

1420
00:59:39,599 --> 00:59:42,000
in 2022 we took in a total of

1421
00:59:42,000 --> 00:59:45,640
13,750 and 23 the 36,000 and so far Year

1422
00:59:45,640 --> 00:59:47,839
date we taken in

1423
00:59:47,839 --> 00:59:51,880
35,000 it's section 124 is actually the

1424
00:59:51,880 --> 00:59:53,280
city code gives us what the persistant

1425
00:59:53,280 --> 00:59:56,200
false alarm actually is um the yellow is

1426
00:59:56,200 --> 00:59:59,799
what I propose as a change um one word

1427
00:59:59,799 --> 01:00:01,680
goes from the two from the four to the

1428
01:00:01,680 --> 01:00:06,559
two U this was last adopted in 1996 as

1429
01:00:06,559 --> 01:00:10,960
well and the penalties for the offense

1430
01:00:10,960 --> 01:00:12,960
are would stay exactly the same uh

1431
01:00:12,960 --> 01:00:16,000
because the the code

1432
01:00:16,000 --> 01:00:18,960
itself uh determines what a persistent

1433
01:00:18,960 --> 01:00:22,240
false alarm actually is so that the

1434
01:00:22,240 --> 01:00:25,280
penalties would stay the same so all in

1435
01:00:25,280 --> 01:00:28,079
all if we move the free alarms from 4

1436
01:00:28,079 --> 01:00:29,960
down to 2 uh the city could expect

1437
01:00:29,960 --> 01:00:32,640
between 20 to $25,000 a year additional

1438
01:00:32,640 --> 01:00:36,160
Revenue the reason why as it's important

1439
01:00:36,160 --> 01:00:38,559
that we do this is uh people do have the

1440
01:00:38,559 --> 01:00:40,359
options to get these fixed so we're not

1441
01:00:40,359 --> 01:00:42,240
spending all of our time there most

1442
01:00:42,240 --> 01:00:44,160
these police calls involved all of them

1443
01:00:44,160 --> 01:00:46,039
should by protocol have two officers go

1444
01:00:46,039 --> 01:00:47,520
so sometimes it's two cars sometimes

1445
01:00:47,520 --> 01:00:49,200
it's one car with two officers but

1446
01:00:49,200 --> 01:00:51,039
whenever there's an alarm um it's a

1447
01:00:51,039 --> 01:00:52,319
higher priority call than actually it's

1448
01:00:52,319 --> 01:00:55,400
like the loud music calls um it's we

1449
01:00:55,400 --> 01:00:57,799
take every seriously like it's a Burg in

1450
01:00:57,799 --> 01:00:59,559
progress or something serious going on

1451
01:00:59,559 --> 01:01:02,200
so we go lights and Sirens there stuff

1452
01:01:02,200 --> 01:01:04,280
happens um it increases the danger for

1453
01:01:04,280 --> 01:01:05,880
the officers and other people in the

1454
01:01:05,880 --> 01:01:08,400
city so by doing this um hopefully it

1455
01:01:08,400 --> 01:01:10,720
gets people motivated to get their

1456
01:01:10,720 --> 01:01:13,680
alarms fixed and also if they don't it

1457
01:01:13,680 --> 01:01:16,240
will generate more revenue for the

1458
01:01:16,240 --> 01:01:18,520
city can we should we ask questions

1459
01:01:18,520 --> 01:01:22,680
during the presentation it's up to

1460
01:01:22,680 --> 01:01:26,760
have ask question as we go for

1461
01:01:26,760 --> 01:01:31,400
so go ahead please okay my question is um if you could just go

1462
01:01:31,400 --> 01:01:33,599
back to the uh slide where it's talking

1463
01:01:33,599 --> 01:01:35,559
about yeah the

1464
01:01:35,559 --> 01:01:39,520
fees I they're they're low those fees

1465
01:01:39,520 --> 01:01:42,799
are low um I'm only building on the

1466
01:01:42,799 --> 01:01:44,280
discussion that we had the other evening

1467
01:01:44,280 --> 01:01:48,799
about the noise compliance yes um so

1468
01:01:48,799 --> 01:01:51,200
I'm I'm just wondering if other people

1469
01:01:51,200 --> 01:01:52,720
feel like those are really low and

1470
01:01:52,720 --> 01:01:54,279
should be increasing them or thinking

1471
01:01:54,279 --> 01:01:56,559
about increasing them so so I will say

1472
01:01:56,559 --> 01:01:58,079
that I dropped the ball on this and on

1473
01:01:58,079 --> 01:02:01,119
other ones I have uh recommendations or

1474
01:02:01,119 --> 01:02:03,160
information from other towns and cities

1475
01:02:03,160 --> 01:02:05,000
this one I did not look up what

1476
01:02:05,000 --> 01:02:07,160
other well we did look at it because

1477
01:02:07,160 --> 01:02:08,640
we're actually dropping the amount of

1478
01:02:08,640 --> 01:02:10,960
free calls from four to two so there

1479
01:02:10,960 --> 01:02:14,079
will be more Revenue in the back end so

1480
01:02:14,079 --> 01:02:15,960
yes we can increase it but at the same

1481
01:02:15,960 --> 01:02:18,680
time we're expanding no I I by the way

1482
01:02:18,680 --> 01:02:20,160
we are still getting in Revenue

1483
01:02:20,160 --> 01:02:22,640
additional revenue of um on the highend

1484
01:02:22,640 --> 01:02:25,640
of $25,000 and that's the best estimate

1485
01:02:25,640 --> 01:02:26,359
okay

1486
01:02:26,359 --> 01:02:30,359
great go ahead so yeah I I I would

1487
01:02:30,359 --> 01:02:32,760
agree Patrick I think what she's

1488
01:02:32,760 --> 01:02:34,760
refering to is that that increasing

1489
01:02:34,760 --> 01:02:36,319
those fees I would say increasing the

1490
01:02:36,319 --> 01:02:40,359
fees as well as um you know reducing the

1491
01:02:40,359 --> 01:02:42,279
amount of quotequote food CS I think

1492
01:02:42,279 --> 01:02:44,839
that um but I guess my question is now

1493
01:02:44,839 --> 01:02:47,319
this one includes on like fire alarms at

1494
01:02:47,319 --> 01:02:49,720
a business this is not fire alarms I

1495
01:02:49,720 --> 01:02:50,880
know the fire department is working on

1496
01:02:50,880 --> 01:02:52,880
something else this is just the false

1497
01:02:52,880 --> 01:02:56,319
alarms Security Alarms okay okay okay

1498
01:02:56,319 --> 01:02:57,480
they I believe that they are working on

1499
01:02:57,480 --> 01:02:59,680
something as okay

1500
01:02:59,680 --> 01:03:03,119
good oh sorry how successful are we at

1501
01:03:03,119 --> 01:03:05,119
collecting the Fe that we currently have

1502
01:03:05,119 --> 01:03:07,480
know so I don't have the Law Department

1503
01:03:07,480 --> 01:03:09,160
actually does that for us so I don't

1504
01:03:09,160 --> 01:03:12,119
know I don't know off hand okay I don't

1505
01:03:12,119 --> 01:03:14,839
know you can go back to current um data

1506
01:03:14,839 --> 01:03:17,559
this is what we have in previous years

1507
01:03:17,559 --> 01:03:19,520
it's currently yeah but that doesn't

1508
01:03:19,520 --> 01:03:21,440
tell me how many calls there were for

1509
01:03:21,440 --> 01:03:22,359
the

1510
01:03:22,359 --> 01:03:25,760
income so I can get you that as well

1511
01:03:25,760 --> 01:03:27,599
liutenant on midnights he puts

1512
01:03:27,599 --> 01:03:28,720
everything together and sends out our

1513
01:03:28,720 --> 01:03:31,839
Law Department I believe it is bi-weekly

1514
01:03:31,839 --> 01:03:36,160
and I can have I can figure out how many

1515
01:03:36,160 --> 01:03:38,680
times I guess oh I guess lot the farm

1516
01:03:38,680 --> 01:03:40,279
actually but they but they bill out from

1517
01:03:40,279 --> 01:03:42,720
there so I can follow up with the answer

1518
01:03:42,720 --> 01:03:45,440
to that great so were we looking for a

1519
01:03:45,440 --> 01:03:48,279
list of the calls no not at all so in

1520
01:03:48,279 --> 01:03:50,319
2022 let's use that for an example we

1521
01:03:50,319 --> 01:03:52,720
know the income was

1522
01:03:52,720 --> 01:03:56,000
13,750 we do not know what the income

1523
01:03:56,000 --> 01:03:57,799
generated from how many calls there were

1524
01:03:57,799 --> 01:04:00,440
how many false alarms there were because

1525
01:04:00,440 --> 01:04:01,680
we don't we just don't know the number

1526
01:04:01,680 --> 01:04:03,440
so how many false alarms it take to

1527
01:04:03,440 --> 01:04:05,960
generate that amount of money in that

1528
01:04:05,960 --> 01:04:10,559
year and and also did every false alarm

1529
01:04:10,559 --> 01:04:12,640
actually get paid did people actually

1530
01:04:12,640 --> 01:04:15,440
pay after when they were built so there

1531
01:04:15,440 --> 01:04:17,839
may have been like let's say we build I

1532
01:04:17,839 --> 01:04:18,640
don't

1533
01:04:18,640 --> 01:04:21,799
know 100 or something and then did did

1534
01:04:21,799 --> 01:04:24,720
all 100 people pay or did only 75 people

1535
01:04:24,720 --> 01:04:26,720
pay so we don't know know that data so

1536
01:04:26,720 --> 01:04:29,319
it would be helpful when we we see the

1537
01:04:29,319 --> 01:04:30,880
income we just don't know what generated

1538
01:04:30,880 --> 01:04:31,640
the

1539
01:04:31,640 --> 01:04:33,680
income when we were going through this

1540
01:04:33,680 --> 01:04:35,319
you had a list of all the

1541
01:04:35,319 --> 01:04:37,799
calls a snapshot of some of the calls is

1542
01:04:37,799 --> 01:04:39,760
that you can use that very same report

1543
01:04:39,760 --> 01:04:43,440
to generate um previous years and to see

1544
01:04:43,440 --> 01:04:45,920
um to attach the collection to that yes

1545
01:04:45,920 --> 01:04:47,680
so I should be able to go back I know I

1546
01:04:47,680 --> 01:04:50,400
have 24 and 23 I don't know previously

1547
01:04:50,400 --> 01:04:55,079
the I questioned the um why there's such

1548
01:04:55,079 --> 01:04:57,319
a different in there and I believe it

1549
01:04:57,319 --> 01:05:00,079
was how we provided data to the live arm

1550
01:05:00,079 --> 01:05:01,839
and when they actually build them out so

1551
01:05:01,839 --> 01:05:03,799
I think there was a change in process

1552
01:05:03,799 --> 01:05:07,160
along the way but I can look to see if I

1553
01:05:07,160 --> 01:05:09,000
can get a number of how many people

1554
01:05:09,000 --> 01:05:10,680
actually build and how many PID I can

1555
01:05:10,680 --> 01:05:14,230
see if we can get a

1556
01:05:14,240 --> 01:05:18,119
Redemption no sorry so had two points

1557
01:05:18,119 --> 01:05:19,680
definitely to miss Patrick's Point I

1558
01:05:19,680 --> 01:05:21,720
would like to see the fees increased cuz

1559
01:05:21,720 --> 01:05:23,440
one of my thoughts is what is the

1560
01:05:23,440 --> 01:05:25,240
opportunity cost or what is the cost of

1561
01:05:25,240 --> 01:05:27,119
the office responding to that and we

1562
01:05:27,119 --> 01:05:28,960
were going to another incident

1563
01:05:28,960 --> 01:05:30,839
throughout the city um but I also want

1564
01:05:30,839 --> 01:05:32,279
to kind of caution us that finding that

1565
01:05:32,279 --> 01:05:34,799
right balance so we to see what your um

1566
01:05:34,799 --> 01:05:37,520
research provides because although fees

1567
01:05:37,520 --> 01:05:39,440
are Revenue generating like you go too

1568
01:05:39,440 --> 01:05:41,039
high and then you can kind of zero out

1569
01:05:41,039 --> 01:05:43,400
that line so definitely it does require

1570
01:05:43,400 --> 01:05:46,160
bit of finesse

1571
01:05:46,160 --> 01:05:48,240
absolutely what what is what is the

1572
01:05:48,240 --> 01:05:50,119
suggestion to

1573
01:05:50,119 --> 01:05:52,799
raise I would like to see what other I

1574
01:05:52,799 --> 01:05:56,559
don't have I don't have a suggestion

1575
01:05:56,559 --> 01:05:59,000
I just want to say that when we consider

1576
01:05:59,000 --> 01:06:00,160
as we're talking about these fees these

1577
01:06:00,160 --> 01:06:01,880
aren't the only fees we're talking about

1578
01:06:01,880 --> 01:06:04,799
no I I want to make sure that you know

1579
01:06:04,799 --> 01:06:07,920
we just aren't like feing people pict

1580
01:06:07,920 --> 01:06:09,079
yes we have to definitely look at the

1581
01:06:09,079 --> 01:06:10,160
big

1582
01:06:10,160 --> 01:06:13,000
picture so we can come back to this SL

1583
01:06:13,000 --> 01:06:15,559
in terms of the

1584
01:06:15,559 --> 01:06:18,559
fees the next one is a much smaller one

1585
01:06:18,559 --> 01:06:20,400
it's a records

1586
01:06:20,400 --> 01:06:24,640
fee we currently charge $20 for somebody

1587
01:06:24,640 --> 01:06:27,160
who asks for a a letter of Good Conduct

1588
01:06:27,160 --> 01:06:30,680
or a uh letter for criminal history to

1589
01:06:30,680 --> 01:06:32,480
show that they are they don't have a

1590
01:06:32,480 --> 01:06:35,680
criminal history um some people want to

1591
01:06:35,680 --> 01:06:38,000
provide it to businesses or landlords

1592
01:06:38,000 --> 01:06:40,880
that I'm being told we only you about 50

1593
01:06:40,880 --> 01:06:43,440
of these a year it's not a very common

1594
01:06:43,440 --> 01:06:46,640
thing um I believe it was 2000 the last

1595
01:06:46,640 --> 01:06:48,720
time you just looked at and it was $20

1596
01:06:48,720 --> 01:06:52,520
back then so um I suggested a $40 fee to

1597
01:06:52,520 --> 01:06:56,440
that and it's would raise 1,000 $2,000

1598
01:06:56,440 --> 01:06:58,599
depending on how many

1599
01:06:58,599 --> 01:07:01,480
um employers we get for the year but

1600
01:07:01,480 --> 01:07:04,390
that is

1601
01:07:04,400 --> 01:07:09,039
a go ahead please um so for so for

1602
01:07:09,039 --> 01:07:10,440
number three when you're ask talking

1603
01:07:10,440 --> 01:07:13,480
about the U arrest files Etc how far are

1604
01:07:13,480 --> 01:07:15,319
you looking I mean we just looking at

1605
01:07:15,319 --> 01:07:17,480
Connected are we looking in New York

1606
01:07:17,480 --> 01:07:20,000
state I don't have that answer I I can

1607
01:07:20,000 --> 01:07:23,359
look for you I believe that is a all of

1608
01:07:23,359 --> 01:07:26,200
all state I believe I believe that's all

1609
01:07:26,200 --> 01:07:27,680
New York state but all New York State I

1610
01:07:27,680 --> 01:07:29,359
believe so I could get an answer for

1611
01:07:29,359 --> 01:07:32,760
that from our records and the other

1612
01:07:32,760 --> 01:07:34,119
second part of that is that you say it

1613
01:07:34,119 --> 01:07:36,920
says free to authorize agencies um what

1614
01:07:36,920 --> 01:07:39,319
constitutes an authorized agency and why

1615
01:07:39,319 --> 01:07:41,799
aren't they pay paying

1616
01:07:41,799 --> 01:07:44,640
for as well as an individual I believe

1617
01:07:44,640 --> 01:07:46,640
that's like another Police Department or

1618
01:07:46,640 --> 01:07:48,920
a this establishes fees only for the

1619
01:07:48,920 --> 01:07:50,760
police department so I believe that

1620
01:07:50,760 --> 01:07:55,520
would be for uh FBI New York State

1621
01:07:55,520 --> 01:07:56,960
police they'll send us records back and

1622
01:07:56,960 --> 01:07:59,319
forth and I believe that's was put in

1623
01:07:59,319 --> 01:08:01,599
there to limit that but I I don't have

1624
01:08:01,599 --> 01:08:05,039
the official answer so just if you so to

1625
01:08:05,039 --> 01:08:06,400
expand on that just like say for

1626
01:08:06,400 --> 01:08:08,559
instance you want to hire somebody and

1627
01:08:08,559 --> 01:08:10,559
you can you get this information as well

1628
01:08:10,559 --> 01:08:12,200
can I ask the police department for that

1629
01:08:12,200 --> 01:08:13,880
I'm interested hiring someone no if I

1630
01:08:13,880 --> 01:08:15,079
want to well if we're going to hire

1631
01:08:15,079 --> 01:08:16,759
somebody then we have to figure if you

1632
01:08:16,759 --> 01:08:18,400
want somebody else have to sign off on

1633
01:08:18,400 --> 01:08:20,080
it and you would have to authorize you

1634
01:08:20,080 --> 01:08:24,400
to get it okay and provide a letter we can't do it without that person's

1635
01:08:24,400 --> 01:08:26,880
authorization in that case let's say I'm

1636
01:08:26,880 --> 01:08:28,040
willing I want this job I'm going to

1637
01:08:28,040 --> 01:08:31,080
sign it would you then um charge the

1638
01:08:31,080 --> 01:08:32,799
agency or organization that's going to

1639
01:08:32,799 --> 01:08:35,799
hire for that record so we've never done

1640
01:08:35,799 --> 01:08:37,199
that before I don't know if we can do

1641
01:08:37,199 --> 01:08:39,920
that but um I've never seen that happen

1642
01:08:39,920 --> 01:08:41,679
before this is usually I guess for when

1643
01:08:41,679 --> 01:08:43,480
people travel also when they apply for

1644
01:08:43,480 --> 01:08:45,839
pieces they need one of these um it's a

1645
01:08:45,839 --> 01:08:46,960
letter that the records does a

1646
01:08:46,960 --> 01:08:49,040
background check they submit a letter

1647
01:08:49,040 --> 01:08:51,480
the chief has to sign off on it and say

1648
01:08:51,480 --> 01:08:53,040
that what the records

1649
01:08:53,040 --> 01:08:56,000
are oh obiously okay

1650
01:08:56,000 --> 01:08:59,520
but I have a vis I don't know I I I

1651
01:08:59,520 --> 01:09:00,719
didn't know that people needed that kind

1652
01:09:00,719 --> 01:09:02,440
of stuff okay I guess it possibly

1653
01:09:02,440 --> 01:09:07,789
depending where you're traveling to

1654
01:09:07,799 --> 01:09:11,400
okay that's it for this

1655
01:09:11,400 --> 01:09:13,799
section the next one goes into the

1656
01:09:13,799 --> 01:09:17,600
parking findes this is a bigger one uh

1657
01:09:17,600 --> 01:09:20,679
New York State set some limits to some

1658
01:09:20,679 --> 01:09:22,640
parking fines or some fees to city

1659
01:09:22,640 --> 01:09:26,640
council you U you guys said many more

1660
01:09:26,640 --> 01:09:30,080
and next this right here is a summary of

1661
01:09:30,080 --> 01:09:35,080
the top 10 items that can be changed and

1662
01:09:35,080 --> 01:09:37,520
they're all that had over 112 or over

1663
01:09:37,520 --> 01:09:40,080
100 issued within the last year so we

1664
01:09:40,080 --> 01:09:44,359
did a rolling 12- month average U and I

1665
01:09:44,359 --> 01:09:47,239
looked at Troy Albany and I have a

1666
01:09:47,239 --> 01:09:48,719
little bit more information on them as

1667
01:09:48,719 --> 01:09:50,880
well but currently right now most of the

1668
01:09:50,880 --> 01:09:53,960
fees are set is

1669
01:09:53,960 --> 01:09:56,480
$35 and

1670
01:09:56,480 --> 01:10:00,400
I believe that the city last looked at

1671
01:10:00,400 --> 01:10:03,159
them I think they looked in 2011

1672
01:10:03,159 --> 01:10:04,400
possibly was the last time I see an

1673
01:10:04,400 --> 01:10:05,920
ordinance change I don't know if

1674
01:10:05,920 --> 01:10:07,120
something was added or if the fees were

1675
01:10:07,120 --> 01:10:09,719
changed at that time but there's a lot

1676
01:10:09,719 --> 01:10:10,600
of them were

1677
01:10:10,600 --> 01:10:14,600
$35 Troy re uh did theirs in

1678
01:10:14,600 --> 01:10:16,760
2016 where they increased a lot of them

1679
01:10:16,760 --> 01:10:17,840
to around

1680
01:10:17,840 --> 01:10:20,040
$50 they also adopted something that

1681
01:10:20,040 --> 01:10:23,239
went from uh it doubled after 2 weeks

1682
01:10:23,239 --> 01:10:24,320
where right now currently we have a

1683
01:10:24,320 --> 01:10:26,960
doubling after 20 days and they tripled

1684
01:10:26,960 --> 01:10:31,640
it after 60 days in 2016 Albany has not

1685
01:10:31,640 --> 01:10:36,080
looked at theirs in over 20 years um so

1686
01:10:36,080 --> 01:10:39,480
they're they are lower than what we're

1687
01:10:39,480 --> 01:10:42,320
proposing but the last time get the

1688
01:10:42,320 --> 01:10:44,719
order updated it was at minimum 13 years

1689
01:10:44,719 --> 01:10:46,719
ago but probably longer longer than that

1690
01:10:46,719 --> 01:10:49,719
so I put in there the last 12 months how

1691
01:10:49,719 --> 01:10:51,400
many a beach to those tickets were

1692
01:10:51,400 --> 01:10:53,159
issued by our parking department or some

1693
01:10:53,159 --> 01:10:56,199
of times our officers and what it would

1694
01:10:56,199 --> 01:10:58,520
mean if we were to increase it in yellow

1695
01:10:58,520 --> 01:11:00,760
would be the suggested increase and the

1696
01:11:00,760 --> 01:11:03,760
blue is what the overall find would be

1697
01:11:03,760 --> 01:11:06,159
in the end and the last column is the

1698
01:11:06,159 --> 01:11:07,800
impact of what kind of Revenue we

1699
01:11:07,800 --> 01:11:09,520
generated if everything stay constant

1700
01:11:09,520 --> 01:11:12,760
over the next 12 months for the top 10

1701
01:11:12,760 --> 01:11:15,000
there's six or seven others that have

1702
01:11:15,000 --> 01:11:17,360
under 100 um that we would look at as

1703
01:11:17,360 --> 01:11:20,520
well but those are the the top 10 fig

1704
01:11:20,520 --> 01:11:25,390
I'd start there

1705
01:11:25,400 --> 01:11:26,920
those that are we can increase the

1706
01:11:26,920 --> 01:11:29,320
others we can out because these ones are

1707
01:11:29,320 --> 01:11:31,960
you can you can increase all these

1708
01:11:31,960 --> 01:11:34,440
regulation yeah there the max allowed

1709
01:11:34,440 --> 01:11:36,080
column is where New York State B&T

1710
01:11:36,080 --> 01:11:37,800
determines what the maximum you can

1711
01:11:37,800 --> 01:11:40,040
charge is for different items that we'll

1712
01:11:40,040 --> 01:11:42,880
be able to find um the fire hydrant

1713
01:11:42,880 --> 01:11:44,520
actually could not find anything that

1714
01:11:44,520 --> 01:11:47,360
says what the maximum was but I know New

1715
01:11:47,360 --> 01:11:50,400
York City does $115 that's why I know we

1716
01:11:50,400 --> 01:11:52,199
can go at least to

1717
01:11:52,199 --> 01:11:55,400
115 yes go ahead please uh I I just

1718
01:11:55,400 --> 01:11:56,960
wanted to say like I appreciate it the

1719
01:11:56,960 --> 01:11:59,400
breakdown gave a lot of context and I

1720
01:11:59,400 --> 01:12:01,000
would say as one of the first

1721
01:12:01,000 --> 01:12:03,719
presentations regarding F Cris um I

1722
01:12:03,719 --> 01:12:05,440
appreciate your responsiveness to the

1723
01:12:05,440 --> 01:12:07,960
issue and then I would say snapshotting

1724
01:12:07,960 --> 01:12:10,040
this and using this as a template uh cuz

1725
01:12:10,040 --> 01:12:12,120
definitely U I wouldn't call out other

1726
01:12:12,120 --> 01:12:15,080
municipalities but it helps us

1727
01:12:15,080 --> 01:12:16,760
understand just where we gauge in the

1728
01:12:16,760 --> 01:12:20,159
exactly that's why it was on this

1729
01:12:20,159 --> 01:12:23,239
yeah any other question on this slide

1730
01:12:23,239 --> 01:12:25,480
all right no I'm just just kind of

1731
01:12:25,480 --> 01:12:28,000
reference the impact if we had this be

1732
01:12:28,000 --> 01:12:29,400
at the beginning of this year we would

1733
01:12:29,400 --> 01:12:32,239
have seen an impact of$

1734
01:12:32,239 --> 01:12:34,760
242,000 yes sir in 12 months rolling so

1735
01:12:34,760 --> 01:12:36,440
6 months or 9 months of this year 3

1736
01:12:36,440 --> 01:12:38,320
months of last year yes so it's a

1737
01:12:38,320 --> 01:12:42,120
significant um Revenue um increase their

1738
01:12:42,120 --> 01:12:44,800
part Police Department go ahead please

1739
01:12:44,800 --> 01:12:46,719
so I I don't know that this is exactly

1740
01:12:46,719 --> 01:12:48,080
you know I just know that they're close

1741
01:12:48,080 --> 01:12:49,560
related and again I think it's

1742
01:12:49,560 --> 01:12:51,239
mentioning it's just especially when

1743
01:12:51,239 --> 01:12:53,760
we're talking about parking tickets um

1744
01:12:53,760 --> 01:12:55,520
there are you know there studies

1745
01:12:55,520 --> 01:12:57,159
National studies and I haven't you know

1746
01:12:57,159 --> 01:12:58,679
we haven't looked at our I haven't

1747
01:12:58,679 --> 01:13:00,400
looked at our city data but you just

1748
01:13:00,400 --> 01:13:02,800
have to be mindful about like what type

1749
01:13:02,800 --> 01:13:06,520
of fees we increase because we can

1750
01:13:06,520 --> 01:13:10,320
unintentionally um impact uh certain

1751
01:13:10,320 --> 01:13:12,760
marginalized Community FaceTime the way

1752
01:13:12,760 --> 01:13:14,280
that the

1753
01:13:14,280 --> 01:13:18,040
um durability to parve is the way that

1754
01:13:18,040 --> 01:13:21,080
um you know some neighborhoods have you

1755
01:13:21,080 --> 01:13:25,920
know more driveways some there's there's different contributing factors

1756
01:13:25,920 --> 01:13:29,280
to how we can unintentionally impact

1757
01:13:29,280 --> 01:13:30,639
certain communities more than others so

1758
01:13:30,639 --> 01:13:32,719
I just want to highlight that I just

1759
01:13:32,719 --> 01:13:33,639
think that it's something that we should

1760
01:13:33,639 --> 01:13:35,679
be mindful that and we if we're just

1761
01:13:35,679 --> 01:13:37,239
looking to increase the Fe it looks like

1762
01:13:37,239 --> 01:13:38,840
we definitely should be doing in some

1763
01:13:38,840 --> 01:13:40,320
areas

1764
01:13:40,320 --> 01:13:43,480
that just increasing the fees you know

1765
01:13:43,480 --> 01:13:45,560
there's a greater there can be a greater

1766
01:13:45,560 --> 01:13:48,480
impact to the large

1767
01:13:48,480 --> 01:13:52,120
community you

1768
01:13:52,120 --> 01:13:55,320
yes go ahead please m i I brought that

1769
01:13:55,320 --> 01:13:56,560
up the other day when we were talking

1770
01:13:56,560 --> 01:13:58,679
about the noise violations um because

1771
01:13:58,679 --> 01:14:01,480
the Fe increases are suggested are quite

1772
01:14:01,480 --> 01:14:04,920
High um and it was pointed out to me

1773
01:14:04,920 --> 01:14:08,360
that again we're I I forget the exact

1774
01:14:08,360 --> 01:14:11,400
language but that we're trying to get

1775
01:14:11,400 --> 01:14:13,880
people to change their behavior and so

1776
01:14:13,880 --> 01:14:14,800
you

1777
01:14:14,800 --> 01:14:17,360
know we might have to increase the fees

1778
01:14:17,360 --> 01:14:20,280
to a certain extent because I don't want

1779
01:14:20,280 --> 01:14:22,239
use the word punitive but you know we

1780
01:14:22,239 --> 01:14:25,400
are trying to to be punitive um we are

1781
01:14:25,400 --> 01:14:27,639
hoping that people I I don't want to put

1782
01:14:27,639 --> 01:14:30,120
words but you guys were were very good

1783
01:14:30,120 --> 01:14:31,520
in the way that you responded to me

1784
01:14:31,520 --> 01:14:34,280
about that the other day umz I was

1785
01:14:34,280 --> 01:14:37,400
talking about you know poor kinds of

1786
01:14:37,400 --> 01:14:46,560
populations um but I got that I thought that was a good response to my query I I think the whole Drive is

1787
01:14:46,560 --> 01:14:48,920
to have this effective January 4 so we

1788
01:14:48,920 --> 01:14:51,360
have uh we have a couple months to to do

1789
01:14:51,360 --> 01:14:55,199
an educational um outy Behavior we talk

1790
01:14:55,199 --> 01:14:57,560
about last week at the public safety

1791
01:14:57,560 --> 01:14:59,239
meeting to kind of educate people that

1792
01:14:59,239 --> 01:15:01,080
this is this is going to happen so we're

1793
01:15:01,080 --> 01:15:02,600
not going to like pass it next week and

1794
01:15:02,600 --> 01:15:04,840
then enforce of the following week

1795
01:15:04,840 --> 01:15:05,880
January

1796
01:15:05,880 --> 01:15:08,840
4st so so um

1797
01:15:08,840 --> 01:15:11,080
I first I'll speak to what you just

1798
01:15:11,080 --> 01:15:13,600
talked about the difference in this is

1799
01:15:13,600 --> 01:15:15,639
that you have a choice over how loud

1800
01:15:15,639 --> 01:15:16,800
you're going to play your music that's a

1801
01:15:16,800 --> 01:15:18,719
decision that you make however if

1802
01:15:18,719 --> 01:15:20,320
there's a limited parking on your street

1803
01:15:20,320 --> 01:15:21,960
then you can only work within those

1804
01:15:21,960 --> 01:15:24,080
perimeters so I don't know that there're

1805
01:15:24,080 --> 01:15:26,360
necessarily things that we can equally

1806
01:15:26,360 --> 01:15:28,840
um compare CU I want to have a loud

1807
01:15:28,840 --> 01:15:30,280
party I'm going to turn it up whether

1808
01:15:30,280 --> 01:15:31,880
you like it or not but if there's

1809
01:15:31,880 --> 01:15:34,880
limited parking and I'm I'm you know I

1810
01:15:34,880 --> 01:15:36,320
have to work within those parameters so

1811
01:15:36,320 --> 01:15:38,040
I'm not sure if that's that's a

1812
01:15:38,040 --> 01:15:39,800
comparison that um that I would really

1813
01:15:39,800 --> 01:15:43,040
make in terms of um people's ability to

1814
01:15:43,040 --> 01:15:46,040
pay um because you made a decision or

1815
01:15:46,040 --> 01:15:47,520
you don't really have any place else to

1816
01:15:47,520 --> 01:15:50,159
park so um there's that the other thing

1817
01:15:50,159 --> 01:15:52,840
I wanted to know and will this impact it

1818
01:15:52,840 --> 01:15:54,560
and should we take a look at it some of

1819
01:15:54,560 --> 01:15:56,600
our part parking signs are a little bit

1820
01:15:56,600 --> 01:15:59,440
outdated and they were put up when

1821
01:15:59,440 --> 01:16:01,400
people were working at GE and they

1822
01:16:01,400 --> 01:16:03,440
worked these interesting hours and so

1823
01:16:03,440 --> 01:16:05,000
you couldn't park at a certain time on

1824
01:16:05,000 --> 01:16:06,360
one side of the street versus the other

1825
01:16:06,360 --> 01:16:08,440
side of the street so if we're talking

1826
01:16:08,440 --> 01:16:11,000
about um changing um the fees rep

1827
01:16:11,000 --> 01:16:12,600
parking should we also be looking to

1828
01:16:12,600 --> 01:16:14,560
make sure that how we currently have our

1829
01:16:14,560 --> 01:16:17,040
signage Mak sense for how people work

1830
01:16:17,040 --> 01:16:19,440
today I think that's something we should

1831
01:16:19,440 --> 01:16:20,880
um because now some people have

1832
01:16:20,880 --> 01:16:22,480
alternate parking they don't even pay

1833
01:16:22,480 --> 01:16:24,440
attention to it I see parking on both

1834
01:16:24,440 --> 01:16:26,320
sides of the screen on a regular basis

1835
01:16:26,320 --> 01:16:28,760
because the signs just really don't make

1836
01:16:28,760 --> 01:16:31,000
sense cuz people don't work like they

1837
01:16:31,000 --> 01:16:33,520
did for those hours when G was like the

1838
01:16:33,520 --> 01:16:36,440
main employer in the city of skac so I

1839
01:16:36,440 --> 01:16:37,840
think we would have to take that I know

1840
01:16:37,840 --> 01:16:39,120
that that's going to take a lot because

1841
01:16:39,120 --> 01:16:41,400
if we have to pay for signs do a study

1842
01:16:41,400 --> 01:16:43,560
do all those things however those are

1843
01:16:43,560 --> 01:16:45,199
things that we should all also be taking

1844
01:16:45,199 --> 01:16:48,000
a look at well well not only people who

1845
01:16:48,000 --> 01:16:50,040
don't who work some people who don't

1846
01:16:50,040 --> 01:16:52,719
work doesn't even go they move their car

1847
01:16:52,719 --> 01:16:55,440
so it's it's a two-way you know to that

1848
01:16:55,440 --> 01:16:58,199
people just need to comply you know just

1849
01:16:58,199 --> 01:17:00,159
like the noise news people playing loud

1850
01:17:00,159 --> 01:17:01,880
music we're going to increase the field

1851
01:17:01,880 --> 01:17:03,480
you come into compliance if not you're

1852
01:17:03,480 --> 01:17:05,600
going to have to pay the violation same

1853
01:17:05,600 --> 01:17:07,600
thing we need you know to clean up the

1854
01:17:07,600 --> 01:17:09,679
street and get people to comply with

1855
01:17:09,679 --> 01:17:11,800
regulation you park on the wrong side

1856
01:17:11,800 --> 01:17:13,520
you're going to get ticket they're

1857
01:17:13,520 --> 01:17:15,480
parking they're parking all over the

1858
01:17:15,480 --> 01:17:17,239
place but does our parking make sense

1859
01:17:17,239 --> 01:17:18,480
though that's we have to take a look

1860
01:17:18,480 --> 01:17:20,199
does make sense for how we live now yeah

1861
01:17:20,199 --> 01:17:21,360
well what we'll need to do is make sure

1862
01:17:21,360 --> 01:17:23,600
that we have updated signs across the

1863
01:17:23,600 --> 01:17:24,960
city if we're going to enforce this

1864
01:17:24,960 --> 01:17:26,760
signs need to be placed across updated

1865
01:17:26,760 --> 01:17:29,440
sign new signs and put that in place so

1866
01:17:29,440 --> 01:17:31,560
people are aware that parking on either

1867
01:17:31,560 --> 01:17:34,719
side is within a given days

1868
01:17:34,719 --> 01:17:37,560
violation go ahead please so I

1869
01:17:37,560 --> 01:17:39,719
appreciate president P for that

1870
01:17:39,719 --> 01:17:42,639
distinction cuz you know definitely one

1871
01:17:42,639 --> 01:17:44,679
is more I think that when you're talking

1872
01:17:44,679 --> 01:17:46,400
about parking feeds and and the reason

1873
01:17:46,400 --> 01:17:48,400
why they have these these National

1874
01:17:48,400 --> 01:17:50,920
studies is because

1875
01:17:50,920 --> 01:17:53,920
um unintentionally I would say in some

1876
01:17:53,920 --> 01:17:56,120
places and and certainly by Design in

1877
01:17:56,120 --> 01:17:59,440
other places um you start

1878
01:17:59,440 --> 01:18:03,920
to uh kind of take advantage of the most

1879
01:18:03,920 --> 01:18:05,920
marginalized people in your community

1880
01:18:05,920 --> 01:18:07,960
and and start to increase fees based off

1881
01:18:07,960 --> 01:18:11,560
them based on the fact that there is um

1882
01:18:11,560 --> 01:18:15,120
and not not just the case of of limited

1883
01:18:15,120 --> 01:18:17,560
uh parking but there's also the

1884
01:18:17,560 --> 01:18:19,199
enforcement strategies which is more you

1885
01:18:19,199 --> 01:18:22,280
know would be more up to the police

1886
01:18:22,280 --> 01:18:23,800
department as well to kind of consider

1887
01:18:23,800 --> 01:18:25,440
those things as just we have to keep

1888
01:18:25,440 --> 01:18:26,960
that in front of our in front of our

1889
01:18:26,960 --> 01:18:28,480
mind cuz if not we can have these really

1890
01:18:28,480 --> 01:18:30,800
good policies that make a lot of sense

1891
01:18:30,800 --> 01:18:33,000
increase our Revenue um but we can be

1892
01:18:33,000 --> 01:18:34,840
doing it off the GL of most vulnerable

1893
01:18:34,840 --> 01:18:36,760
population in the city now we just

1894
01:18:36,760 --> 01:18:38,120
always have to ask ourselves the

1895
01:18:38,120 --> 01:18:39,480
questions when we doing any of these

1896
01:18:39,480 --> 01:18:41,520
things right because if

1897
01:18:41,520 --> 01:18:44,719
it if it if we're increasing the fee and

1898
01:18:44,719 --> 01:18:47,239
we're going to you know bring in another

1899
01:18:47,239 --> 01:18:50,520
$200,000 but 80 to 90% of that

1900
01:18:50,520 --> 01:18:54,360
$200,000 is coming from you know you

1901
01:18:54,360 --> 01:18:55,239
know

1902
01:18:55,239 --> 01:18:56,800
two or three neighborhoods that just

1903
01:18:56,800 --> 01:18:59,120
happen to be the uh neighborhoods that

1904
01:18:59,120 --> 01:19:01,239
the design is far more likely for

1905
01:19:01,239 --> 01:19:04,600
someone to be out of compliance with the department and that's something

1906
01:19:04,600 --> 01:19:05,800
that you just have to

1907
01:19:05,800 --> 01:19:07,639
consider you don't have the data for

1908
01:19:07,639 --> 01:19:09,280
that you have the

1909
01:19:09,280 --> 01:19:11,760
data so so what I what I was saying

1910
01:19:11,760 --> 01:19:14,880
question so what what I said uh in the

1911
01:19:14,880 --> 01:19:17,199
beginning of of what my statement was I

1912
01:19:17,199 --> 01:19:19,040
was talk referring to more to Nationals

1913
01:19:19,040 --> 01:19:20,520
Trends and the first thing I said was I

1914
01:19:20,520 --> 01:19:22,280
haven't looked at the data within our

1915
01:19:22,280 --> 01:19:24,120
city there something to be mindful of

1916
01:19:24,120 --> 01:19:25,679
and pay attention because if we increase

1917
01:19:25,679 --> 01:19:27,360
this without looking at the data we can

1918
01:19:27,360 --> 01:19:29,520
unintentionally perpetuate that outcome

1919
01:19:29,520 --> 01:19:31,639
so it so we would so I wasn't making a

1920
01:19:31,639 --> 01:19:32,960
statement that what's happening I'm

1921
01:19:32,960 --> 01:19:34,480
saying if we're changing something then

1922
01:19:34,480 --> 01:19:35,920
we need to be mindful of that or we

1923
01:19:35,920 --> 01:19:37,159
won't be being

1924
01:19:37,159 --> 01:19:39,639
accurate clear well we have to we have

1925
01:19:39,639 --> 01:19:41,040
to make sure that we encourag the police

1926
01:19:41,040 --> 01:19:43,840
to do across the board and no no

1927
01:19:43,840 --> 01:19:45,320
Community or no neighborhood should be

1928
01:19:45,320 --> 01:19:48,360
targeted but apply apply it across the

1929
01:19:48,360 --> 01:19:50,560
entire city when they're doing

1930
01:19:50,560 --> 01:19:52,520
enforcement or when they're bulying um

1931
01:19:52,520 --> 01:19:56,910
tickets

1932
01:19:56,920 --> 01:19:58,320
well I was just going to say I mean you

1933
01:19:58,320 --> 01:20:00,639
guys probably have data my neighborhood

1934
01:20:00,639 --> 01:20:03,159
um in terms of breakdown of these

1935
01:20:03,159 --> 01:20:04,760
tickets so I've never seen it but I'm

1936
01:20:04,760 --> 01:20:07,280
going ask Adam behind you do you know is

1937
01:20:07,280 --> 01:20:10,719
that possible through the the software y

1938
01:20:10,719 --> 01:20:13,120
okay so it is possible for us to see

1939
01:20:13,120 --> 01:20:14,400
that

1940
01:20:14,400 --> 01:20:17,440
so has gotten tickets

1941
01:20:17,440 --> 01:20:19,960
can make a note and provide that to the

1942
01:20:19,960 --> 01:20:23,629
counil

1943
01:20:23,639 --> 01:20:27,080
please so looking for a breakdown of

1944
01:20:27,080 --> 01:20:29,199
tickets per is it Go by zone or does it

1945
01:20:29,199 --> 01:20:32,360
go by area where you think it goes

1946
01:20:32,360 --> 01:20:36,120
by no it's not a Zone like we consider

1947
01:20:36,120 --> 01:20:38,440
the neighborhood Zone it might be a Zone

1948
01:20:38,440 --> 01:20:40,840
but there's no correlation between that

1949
01:20:40,840 --> 01:20:44,159
zone in in our system uh compared to

1950
01:20:44,159 --> 01:20:48,280
what there is uh in the city um you know

1951
01:20:48,280 --> 01:20:50,280
we enforce where the signs are available

1952
01:20:50,280 --> 01:20:53,440
so so so to the point of you know where

1953
01:20:53,440 --> 01:20:55,440
do be enforce we enforce where we can

1954
01:20:55,440 --> 01:20:58,239
enforce uh there are neighborhoods um

1955
01:20:58,239 --> 01:21:01,159
that there is no signage but it makes

1956
01:21:01,159 --> 01:21:03,360
sense because some of the streets are

1957
01:21:03,360 --> 01:21:06,840
wider uh the the neighbor of the uh

1958
01:21:06,840 --> 01:21:09,840
driveways are longer so a lot of this uh

1959
01:21:09,840 --> 01:21:12,679
enforcement is is not

1960
01:21:12,679 --> 01:21:17,719
necessarily Revenue generator but it's it's a safety aspect too you have

1961
01:21:17,719 --> 01:21:19,719
neighborhoods that have narrow streets

1962
01:21:19,719 --> 01:21:22,400
and you have uh bothside parking you

1963
01:21:22,400 --> 01:21:24,800
can't get emergency Personnel down there

1964
01:21:24,800 --> 01:21:27,480
um and often times the signs indicate

1965
01:21:27,480 --> 01:21:30,199
the season right so there's more

1966
01:21:30,199 --> 01:21:32,199
prohibitions during certain seasons for

1967
01:21:32,199 --> 01:21:36,360
the obvious reasons of snow fall some of the ones that I know that are

1968
01:21:36,360 --> 01:21:39,280
kind of different there'll be no parking

1969
01:21:39,280 --> 01:21:41,960
aside from 1:00 a.m. to 6 a the reason

1970
01:21:41,960 --> 01:21:43,960
is because the street street sweepers

1971
01:21:43,960 --> 01:21:47,480
will come down can you just come on up I

1972
01:21:47,480 --> 01:21:49,960
thought oh yeah the camera is focusing

1973
01:21:49,960 --> 01:21:52,760
yeah we he turn to you but yeah you're

1974
01:21:52,760 --> 01:21:55,159
providing a lot of information uh so

1975
01:21:55,159 --> 01:21:57,719
some of the some of the signs that we

1976
01:21:57,719 --> 01:21:59,400
might not have a comprehensive

1977
01:21:59,400 --> 01:22:01,000
understanding to at least at face value

1978
01:22:01,000 --> 01:22:02,800
do serve a legitimate purpose the

1979
01:22:02,800 --> 01:22:04,719
example I was saying before is no

1980
01:22:04,719 --> 01:22:07,280
standing this side 1:00 a.m. to 6: a.m.

1981
01:22:07,280 --> 01:22:09,159
uh you know you think what is that about

1982
01:22:09,159 --> 01:22:11,840
but but it's uh it's for street street

1983
01:22:11,840 --> 01:22:14,120
sweeping so obviously it just makes more

1984
01:22:14,120 --> 01:22:17,639
sense to have that um but that said you

1985
01:22:17,639 --> 01:22:19,520
know again we we we tick it where we can

1986
01:22:19,520 --> 01:22:23,560
and enforce where we can and um I don't

1987
01:22:23,560 --> 01:22:25,639
know why they decided to put things in

1988
01:22:25,639 --> 01:22:28,679
certain areas uh you know maybe it's a

1989
01:22:28,679 --> 01:22:30,880
for a broader discussion you know can we

1990
01:22:30,880 --> 01:22:33,360
use more enforcement can can you know we

1991
01:22:33,360 --> 01:22:35,280
have more or less restrictions to your

1992
01:22:35,280 --> 01:22:37,239
point I don't know you know that's I

1993
01:22:37,239 --> 01:22:39,510
don't

1994
01:22:39,520 --> 01:22:42,320
know go ahead thanks I think that some I

1995
01:22:42,320 --> 01:22:44,520
mean I you know I mean I think about

1996
01:22:44,520 --> 01:22:47,199
some of the streets um like brandy wine

1997
01:22:47,199 --> 01:22:49,280
or you know mcen I

1998
01:22:49,280 --> 01:22:52,560
mean parking is crazy and it's really

1999
01:22:52,560 --> 01:22:54,040
difficult so I think related to the

2000
01:22:54,040 --> 01:22:56,280
previous discussion about traffic

2001
01:22:56,280 --> 01:22:58,679
control and and speeding I mean I think

2002
01:22:58,679 --> 01:23:00,840
some of those things have must come into

2003
01:23:00,840 --> 01:23:03,280
the into consideration as well in terms

2004
01:23:03,280 --> 01:23:05,520
of where the signage is and I I can

2005
01:23:05,520 --> 01:23:07,679
think you know just driving around the

2006
01:23:07,679 --> 01:23:09,080
city and having to park in a lot of

2007
01:23:09,080 --> 01:23:11,679
different areas um where it might be

2008
01:23:11,679 --> 01:23:14,679
time in a lot of areas it's alternate

2009
01:23:14,679 --> 01:23:16,320
side based on the days of the week

2010
01:23:16,320 --> 01:23:18,159
Monday Wednesday Friday versus you know

2011
01:23:18,159 --> 01:23:21,800
Tuesday Thursday Saturday um it's you

2012
01:23:21,800 --> 01:23:24,760
know I'm I would think that maybe has to

2013
01:23:24,760 --> 01:23:26,920
do with traffic um what's the word I'm

2014
01:23:26,920 --> 01:23:29,440
looking

2015
01:23:29,440 --> 01:23:32,120
uh the number the numbers of cars the

2016
01:23:32,120 --> 01:23:34,880
congestion congestion on the streets as

2017
01:23:34,880 --> 01:23:37,960
well um so there is that the uh parking

2018
01:23:37,960 --> 01:23:39,360
enforcement officers drive around

2019
01:23:39,360 --> 01:23:41,080
obviously they um they have different

2020
01:23:41,080 --> 01:23:42,159
zones that they all go to and they

2021
01:23:42,159 --> 01:23:44,320
switch them up daily or regularly and

2022
01:23:44,320 --> 01:23:45,679
also during the day if somebody calls

2023
01:23:45,679 --> 01:23:47,600
him with a parking complaint during the

2024
01:23:47,600 --> 01:23:49,480
day they're dispatched automatically so

2025
01:23:49,480 --> 01:23:51,000
somebody calls in and says that there's

2026
01:23:51,000 --> 01:23:54,040
a parking multiple cars here uh we had

2027
01:23:54,040 --> 01:23:55,679
for civilians now we're down to two so

2028
01:23:55,679 --> 01:23:58,280
we're hopefully getting them back up um

2029
01:23:58,280 --> 01:24:00,000
they will drive around and they'll go

2030
01:24:00,000 --> 01:24:01,360
right there and issue the the ticket

2031
01:24:01,360 --> 01:24:04,480
right then and there so that's besides

2032
01:24:04,480 --> 01:24:06,520
their normal Patrol they they do respond

2033
01:24:06,520 --> 01:24:08,639
to the areas people call complain dur

2034
01:24:08,639 --> 01:24:10,080
the

2035
01:24:10,080 --> 01:24:13,679
day go ahead quick question so um I I

2036
01:24:13,679 --> 01:24:15,440
imagine it's definitely Chief Clifford's

2037
01:24:15,440 --> 01:24:18,440
call will we be able to interested

2038
01:24:18,440 --> 01:24:21,639
Shadow around that persective job on the

2039
01:24:21,639 --> 01:24:24,159
ticketing oh absolutely yeah absolutely

2040
01:24:24,159 --> 01:24:27,040
y got R right now they're working you

2041
01:24:27,040 --> 01:24:29,320
know days Monday through Friday and uh

2042
01:24:29,320 --> 01:24:31,199
if there somebody's interested

2043
01:24:31,199 --> 01:24:33,840
absolutely

2044
01:24:33,840 --> 01:24:39,440
right just C they ride a bike some do so

2045
01:24:39,440 --> 01:24:41,040
we have the one off Main rides the bike

2046
01:24:41,040 --> 01:24:43,159
downtown and they're also in a car

2047
01:24:43,159 --> 01:24:45,880
that's marked Park enforcement as well

2048
01:24:45,880 --> 01:24:47,600
I'll do if I can use the electric bike

2049
01:24:47,600 --> 01:24:49,600
yeah AB we actually have't for parking

2050
01:24:49,600 --> 01:24:52,400
for we do so are you saying that we can

2051
01:24:52,400 --> 01:24:55,360
get a breakdown um by neighborhood I

2052
01:24:55,360 --> 01:24:57,880
suspect I don't think

2053
01:24:57,880 --> 01:25:01,080
there the only thing that may be lab for

2054
01:25:01,080 --> 01:25:03,119
intensive depending on how I I may have

2055
01:25:03,119 --> 01:25:06,119
to run we may have to run data by street

2056
01:25:06,119 --> 01:25:08,280
right instead of just my

2057
01:25:08,280 --> 01:25:11,960
neighborhood but I'm sure it's just yeah

2058
01:25:11,960 --> 01:25:13,360
if we want that how far back do we want

2059
01:25:13,360 --> 01:25:17,600
to go I will say 6 months yeah because

2060
01:25:17,600 --> 01:25:18,960
it's going to take a lot of time going

2061
01:25:18,960 --> 01:25:20,960
to be um taking up to do that 6 months 3

2062
01:25:20,960 --> 01:25:26,159
months I think I think I can do a year

2063
01:25:26,159 --> 01:25:29,760
be a lot of work entire year with 6,000

2064
01:25:29,760 --> 01:25:31,440
we want to use the same data set that

2065
01:25:31,440 --> 01:25:34,360
we're using for projections sense you

2066
01:25:34,360 --> 01:25:35,960
want to do the

2067
01:25:35,960 --> 01:25:40,440
same this is 831 23 and 91 of 24 is what

2068
01:25:40,440 --> 01:25:42,800
that Let's do let's do this the same

2069
01:25:42,800 --> 01:25:45,440
recort here this is one we can move hard

2070
01:25:45,440 --> 01:25:48,080
go ahead please so just CU I it's

2071
01:25:48,080 --> 01:25:49,239
important that we have Clarity around

2072
01:25:49,239 --> 01:25:51,400
these issues I think that like so um and

2073
01:25:51,400 --> 01:25:53,320
I appreciate like I don't know exactly

2074
01:25:53,320 --> 01:25:55,760
why they you know put signs places and

2075
01:25:55,760 --> 01:25:58,400
I'm sure that well I I would give the

2076
01:25:58,400 --> 01:25:59,840
benefit of the doubt to say that when

2077
01:25:59,840 --> 01:26:02,679
some of these signs and regulations um

2078
01:26:02,679 --> 01:26:04,960
were put in place that they were done so

2079
01:26:04,960 --> 01:26:07,159
in good faith I um I definitely would

2080
01:26:07,159 --> 01:26:09,159
assume that um our Law Enforcement

2081
01:26:09,159 --> 01:26:11,119
Officers act in good faith when is

2082
01:26:11,119 --> 01:26:13,679
issuing you know tickets uh so on and so

2083
01:26:13,679 --> 01:26:17,840
forth um so that that idea is not an

2084
01:26:17,840 --> 01:26:22,320
opposition to us um kind of looking at

2085
01:26:22,320 --> 01:26:25,719
the impact of what we're of of of what

2086
01:26:25,719 --> 01:26:28,440
that enforcement looks like and just to

2087
01:26:28,440 --> 01:26:32,440
be aware of how these things can

2088
01:26:32,440 --> 01:26:35,320
perpetuate certain inequities throughout

2089
01:26:35,320 --> 01:26:37,280
society and and and we're not

2090
01:26:37,280 --> 01:26:40,040
disconnected and we're not you know

2091
01:26:40,040 --> 01:26:42,679
and that that includes us so again so

2092
01:26:42,679 --> 01:26:46,600
the point I'm making is that there's no

2093
01:26:46,600 --> 01:26:49,719
um intention around I'm not assigning

2094
01:26:49,719 --> 01:26:52,119
any any intention to this but what I'm

2095
01:26:52,119 --> 01:26:53,760
saying is that if we're not

2096
01:26:53,760 --> 01:26:56,239
intentionally to know about taking those

2097
01:26:56,239 --> 01:26:57,679
measurements and kind of really asking

2098
01:26:57,679 --> 01:26:59,280
ourselves the hard questions that no one

2099
01:26:59,280 --> 01:27:00,639
likes to talk about but me a lot of time

2100
01:27:00,639 --> 01:27:02,760
in like and we end up you know

2101
01:27:02,760 --> 01:27:04,600
perpetuating something so just want to

2102
01:27:04,600 --> 01:27:05,960
be really clear about that but I

2103
01:27:05,960 --> 01:27:07,400
appreciate you what we genu through and

2104
01:27:07,400 --> 01:27:08,080
the

2105
01:27:08,080 --> 01:27:14,750
transparency any other question on this

2106
01:27:14,760 --> 01:27:18,000
Slide the next one is some of our anal

2107
01:27:18,000 --> 01:27:21,239
control fees well some of these are not

2108
01:27:21,239 --> 01:27:22,400
through the police department it's

2109
01:27:22,400 --> 01:27:23,840
through the clerk's office but it's we

2110
01:27:23,840 --> 01:27:25,840
were very closely together in these so

2111
01:27:25,840 --> 01:27:27,320
I'm was including them in here in the

2112
01:27:27,320 --> 01:27:29,840
presentation currently right now the

2113
01:27:29,840 --> 01:27:32,080
city is charging

2114
01:27:32,080 --> 01:27:35,920
$20.50 for a a dog license if they're

2115
01:27:35,920 --> 01:27:38,480
altered 1350 if they're unaltered and

2116
01:27:38,480 --> 01:27:41,800
then it goes down if you're a senior or

2117
01:27:41,800 --> 01:27:47,320
um older the surrounding towns and City

2118
01:27:47,320 --> 01:27:51,000
we had Nuna is $20 for $30 Aly was 16

2119
01:27:51,000 --> 01:27:55,639
and 23 and then Troy is 15 and 20

2120
01:27:55,639 --> 01:28:00,440
the r section is 114 and it's a little

2121
01:28:00,440 --> 01:28:02,239
complicated as far as there's multiple

2122
01:28:02,239 --> 01:28:03,840
layers multiple things that go into what

2123
01:28:03,840 --> 01:28:06,880
the dog license fee is so I have it

2124
01:28:06,880 --> 01:28:09,600
broken down here crossed out the dollar

2125
01:28:09,600 --> 01:28:12,040
value and put the the new dollar value

2126
01:28:12,040 --> 01:28:13,679
that's recommended in here the next

2127
01:28:13,679 --> 01:28:15,280
slide will show you kind of what the

2128
01:28:15,280 --> 01:28:18,239
bottom line is if this makes sense so

2129
01:28:18,239 --> 01:28:21,800
that the the new fee recommendation

2130
01:28:21,800 --> 01:28:25,000
would be uh $7.50 in increase on the

2131
01:28:25,000 --> 01:28:30,360
altered $7 on the unaltered and then $3

2132
01:28:30,360 --> 01:28:34,360
250 for the senior citizens and this

2133
01:28:34,360 --> 01:28:36,080
would increase the revenue between $8

2134
01:28:36,080 --> 01:28:38,360
$110,000 per year it depends on if

2135
01:28:38,360 --> 01:28:40,600
somebody order or pays for a one year

2136
01:28:40,600 --> 01:28:43,400
twoyear or multi-year placement so it

2137
01:28:43,400 --> 01:28:47,229
could fluctuate a little bit

2138
01:28:47,239 --> 01:28:50,480
but so Miss Michael this align with your

2139
01:28:50,480 --> 01:28:55,119
C for service it does it does yes

2140
01:28:55,119 --> 01:28:58,400
so who gets those feed with where is the

2141
01:28:58,400 --> 01:29:02,719
actual City to the Clark's office is

2142
01:29:02,719 --> 01:29:05,560
that correct it gets deposited into the

2143
01:29:05,560 --> 01:29:08,639
general fund well you take in your

2144
01:29:08,639 --> 01:29:13,600
office Tak we take it in yes get posi to

2145
01:29:13,600 --> 01:29:16,990
the

2146
01:29:17,000 --> 01:29:18,800
goes

2147
01:29:18,800 --> 01:29:22,920
I go to shouldn't that go to

2148
01:29:22,920 --> 01:29:26,719
the uh the police du to like the of for

2149
01:29:26,719 --> 01:29:30,679
that or that the way how it's written is

2150
01:29:30,679 --> 01:29:32,840
like directed to the par office but it's

2151
01:29:32,840 --> 01:29:36,119
kind of like enforced by the police

2152
01:29:36,119 --> 01:29:38,199
department Sam you can you can explain

2153
01:29:38,199 --> 01:29:40,040
more about how the enforcement about

2154
01:29:40,040 --> 01:29:42,000
that sorry

2155
01:29:42,000 --> 01:29:44,440
well yeah the Animal Control Officers

2156
01:29:44,440 --> 01:29:47,000
when they do go out or they find

2157
01:29:47,000 --> 01:29:51,119
unlicensed animal you know the the uh

2158
01:29:51,119 --> 01:29:55,239
dog is then taken to mov Hudson Society

2159
01:29:55,239 --> 01:29:57,800
there's a Redemption fee involved and

2160
01:29:57,800 --> 01:30:01,679
also then they have to license their

2161
01:30:01,679 --> 01:30:04,400
pet that's the police

2162
01:30:04,400 --> 01:30:07,000
component but the the they come to your

2163
01:30:07,000 --> 01:30:09,080
office to do the licing my office to do

2164
01:30:09,080 --> 01:30:10,600
all

2165
01:30:10,600 --> 01:30:13,480
that I believe that's like different all

2166
01:30:13,480 --> 01:30:15,080
talented things that I saw went to the

2167
01:30:15,080 --> 01:30:18,199
clerk's office usually for the for the

2168
01:30:18,199 --> 01:30:20,840
feast dog still can't

2169
01:30:20,840 --> 01:30:24,119
drive uh just a question and Mr br I

2170
01:30:24,119 --> 01:30:26,639
appreciate your uh background also if

2171
01:30:26,639 --> 01:30:29,159
needed could we discuss potentially

2172
01:30:29,159 --> 01:30:31,360
expanding the senior citizen category to

2173
01:30:31,360 --> 01:30:33,520
include like medically qualifi positions

2174
01:30:33,520 --> 01:30:35,480
in which someone needs a service animal

2175
01:30:35,480 --> 01:30:36,800
and then also potentially like service

2176
01:30:36,800 --> 01:30:39,840
members where like it's beenen to like a

2177
01:30:39,840 --> 01:30:42,239
system their integration back into

2178
01:30:42,239 --> 01:30:44,280
society I think that's already in the

2179
01:30:44,280 --> 01:30:46,560
code that those areas are already

2180
01:30:46,560 --> 01:30:49,280
exempt I'm looking ahead at the next

2181
01:30:49,280 --> 01:30:52,800
slide and I'm I'm wondering about the

2182
01:30:52,800 --> 01:30:58,520
exemptions that are being taken away so there it's it is in the code I was

2183
01:30:58,520 --> 01:31:00,880
looking to remove it actually yeah

2184
01:31:00,880 --> 01:31:05,320
they're removing it that that's it's already in the code right now aen

2185
01:31:05,320 --> 01:31:08,639
Market's law says that M municipality

2186
01:31:08,639 --> 01:31:12,760
May exempt an animal but then uh the

2187
01:31:12,760 --> 01:31:15,960
American Disability Act has changed it

2188
01:31:15,960 --> 01:31:18,520
so you cannot ask for documentation you

2189
01:31:18,520 --> 01:31:20,800
can only ask two questions and we're

2190
01:31:20,800 --> 01:31:23,679
getting customers coming in um refusing

2191
01:31:23,679 --> 01:31:27,760
to to provide answers provide

2192
01:31:27,760 --> 01:31:30,760
documentation um just making it so much

2193
01:31:30,760 --> 01:31:32,040
more

2194
01:31:32,040 --> 01:31:33,920
difficult the the Americans with

2195
01:31:33,920 --> 01:31:37,360
Disabilities acts have very limited uh

2196
01:31:37,360 --> 01:31:40,000
regulations as as as the city clerk has

2197
01:31:40,000 --> 01:31:42,600
pointed out what sort of questions you

2198
01:31:42,600 --> 01:31:44,880
can ask and they're very limited in

2199
01:31:44,880 --> 01:31:50,119
scope to for the for the federal RS so

2200
01:31:50,119 --> 01:31:53,119
um it's it's what what the council wants

2201
01:31:53,119 --> 01:31:56,199
to do whe want to you what I'm seeing up

2202
01:31:56,199 --> 01:31:58,800
there is five is being deleted it's what

2203
01:31:58,800 --> 01:32:01,320
that's a poliy decision for you all to

2204
01:32:01,320 --> 01:32:04,880
make that policy decision if you want to

2205
01:32:04,880 --> 01:32:08,880
U continue with the exemptions or or or

2206
01:32:08,880 --> 01:32:11,639
not Sam what is your recommendation

2207
01:32:11,639 --> 01:32:14,679
remove my recommendation was removing

2208
01:32:14,679 --> 01:32:18,960
our our our ordinance covers every like

2209
01:32:18,960 --> 01:32:21,400
service animal therapy animal everything

2210
01:32:21,400 --> 01:32:24,560
like everything um

2211
01:32:24,560 --> 01:32:27,239
but one we don't me to under ion markets

2212
01:32:27,239 --> 01:32:31,639
and two under Ada they say service

2213
01:32:31,639 --> 01:32:33,800
animals and there's a differentiation

2214
01:32:33,800 --> 01:32:35,600
between service and therapy but we we

2215
01:32:35,600 --> 01:32:37,239
can't really differentiate based on the

2216
01:32:37,239 --> 01:32:39,199
two

2217
01:32:39,199 --> 01:32:43,960
questions go ahead please I I feel that

2218
01:32:43,960 --> 01:32:47,199
servicing I I I like the exemption um

2219
01:32:47,199 --> 01:32:50,000
for Veterans for service for service

2220
01:32:50,000 --> 01:32:54,520
animals um therapy dogs

2221
01:32:54,520 --> 01:32:57,239
well obviously the detection I mean

2222
01:32:57,239 --> 01:32:59,639
those wouldn't be charged what's that it

2223
01:32:59,639 --> 01:33:01,440
says detection so that must be like a

2224
01:33:01,440 --> 01:33:03,360
police animal that's looking for drugs

2225
01:33:03,360 --> 01:33:04,600
or something like that I mean I don't

2226
01:33:04,600 --> 01:33:06,280
know why we wouldn't exemp that that's

2227
01:33:06,280 --> 01:33:08,119
like an employee of the

2228
01:33:08,119 --> 01:33:11,280
city um right I mean so if they lived in

2229
01:33:11,280 --> 01:33:13,480
the city yes if there was a city

2230
01:33:13,480 --> 01:33:14,760
employee that had the look like they

2231
01:33:14,760 --> 01:33:17,000
would have to register the

2232
01:33:17,000 --> 01:33:21,080
doll pay the pay the $40 or the $28 we

2233
01:33:21,080 --> 01:33:23,480
haven't had one year is that live in the

2234
01:33:23,480 --> 01:33:27,239
city because the uh the animal with the

2235
01:33:27,239 --> 01:33:30,119
police department stay with whoever the

2236
01:33:30,119 --> 01:33:33,199
train is right right so they live the

2237
01:33:33,199 --> 01:33:36,040
what you I know I H that

2238
01:33:36,040 --> 01:33:38,920
but I just think those animals should be

2239
01:33:38,920 --> 01:33:42,040
exempt remain exle from what I got from

2240
01:33:42,040 --> 01:33:44,000
Miss Miku it wasn't like any bias it was

2241
01:33:44,000 --> 01:33:46,520
just an inability to evaluate those so

2242
01:33:46,520 --> 01:33:48,040
that's causing administrative bird and

2243
01:33:48,040 --> 01:33:50,280
thre can be responsive to her office's

2244
01:33:50,280 --> 01:33:53,830
needs

2245
01:33:53,840 --> 01:33:55,920
an alternative I believe there are funds

2246
01:33:55,920 --> 01:33:58,880
available um to D worth with to get

2247
01:33:58,880 --> 01:34:03,000
funds from people who couldn't pay the fee so if there was a

2248
01:34:03,000 --> 01:34:04,360
hardship I don't know how many

2249
01:34:04,360 --> 01:34:06,040
exemptions or on the sheets that I saw I

2250
01:34:06,040 --> 01:34:08,320
think there was only like six or seven

2251
01:34:08,320 --> 01:34:10,639
at for certain amount of months I looked

2252
01:34:10,639 --> 01:34:12,719
at the data so if there was if those

2253
01:34:12,719 --> 01:34:14,080
people couldn't for if we did decide to

2254
01:34:14,080 --> 01:34:15,800
get rid of it and there was somebody

2255
01:34:15,800 --> 01:34:17,560
needed it there are funds available for

2256
01:34:17,560 --> 01:34:21,840
them to pay for so it doesn't stop you

2257
01:34:21,840 --> 01:34:24,159
from giving exemption you you still have

2258
01:34:24,159 --> 01:34:25,719
the authority to give

2259
01:34:25,719 --> 01:34:28,520
exemption is that if we remove it it

2260
01:34:28,520 --> 01:34:29,880
you're removing it then the exemption

2261
01:34:29,880 --> 01:34:31,960
done exemptions

2262
01:34:31,960 --> 01:34:34,639
right

2263
01:34:34,639 --> 01:34:37,239
yeah I would say let's let's put this on

2264
01:34:37,239 --> 01:34:39,920
hold and and go through the the process

2265
01:34:39,920 --> 01:34:41,440
of the public hearing then we can say

2266
01:34:41,440 --> 01:34:43,000
because the consern table is like we

2267
01:34:43,000 --> 01:34:46,159
should keep that and I I think we

2268
01:34:46,159 --> 01:34:49,840
should we should keep it the

2269
01:34:49,840 --> 01:34:52,320
exemption unless we Define it a little

2270
01:34:52,320 --> 01:34:54,159
bit as a one

2271
01:34:54,159 --> 01:34:56,600
what is examp I think I think the clerk

2272
01:34:56,600 --> 01:34:58,800
saying elate and I say like making my

2273
01:34:58,800 --> 01:35:00,679
position known hearing her response and

2274
01:35:00,679 --> 01:35:02,679
there's a pot of money that is might who

2275
01:35:02,679 --> 01:35:04,080
can direct those individuals to I think

2276
01:35:04,080 --> 01:35:07,800
it captures it it's a win okay all

2277
01:35:07,800 --> 01:35:11,719
right do we do we need to put

2278
01:35:11,719 --> 01:35:13,920
ofion well it all depends I mean if

2279
01:35:13,920 --> 01:35:17,360
there if okay we'll talk you know I can

2280
01:35:17,360 --> 01:35:19,600
yes good we've been talking about

2281
01:35:19,600 --> 01:35:22,639
parking fees and now dog fees so the go

2282
01:35:22,639 --> 01:35:26,080
required city code also require public

2283
01:35:26,080 --> 01:35:28,239
hearings regarding these two public

2284
01:35:28,239 --> 01:35:33,000
hearings I would recommend since they're generating money for the city

2285
01:35:33,000 --> 01:35:35,440
which will have an impact on the budget

2286
01:35:35,440 --> 01:35:37,480
perhaps you would want to do these

2287
01:35:37,480 --> 01:35:39,080
hearings at the same night you're doing

2288
01:35:39,080 --> 01:35:45,639
the budget you don't have to but it's it's dealing with Revenue items

2289
01:35:45,639 --> 01:35:47,480
that as you go through the rest of

2290
01:35:47,480 --> 01:35:48,840
October you

2291
01:35:48,840 --> 01:35:51,719
may use as you're making your

2292
01:35:51,719 --> 01:35:53,320
projections and you're creating your

2293
01:35:53,320 --> 01:35:54,199
budget

2294
01:35:54,199 --> 01:35:56,400
and then after you have that public

2295
01:35:56,400 --> 01:35:59,480
hearing then you have the budget being

2296
01:35:59,480 --> 01:36:01,960
adopted and then you have the ordinances

2297
01:36:01,960 --> 01:36:04,480
that need to be changed to con with the

2298
01:36:04,480 --> 01:36:06,520
amounts of fees that you increase this

2299
01:36:06,520 --> 01:36:09,440
way it's all one one pro I'm just it's

2300
01:36:09,440 --> 01:36:11,239
I'm just throwing that out for for for

2301
01:36:11,239 --> 01:36:14,040
you all to consider that you would have

2302
01:36:14,040 --> 01:36:15,600
the public hearing on that same night

2303
01:36:15,600 --> 01:36:17,040
because it's dealing with fees which

2304
01:36:17,040 --> 01:36:23,159
will as you saw will have an impact on the budget so that way it's in total

2305
01:36:23,159 --> 01:36:24,360
and then

2306
01:36:24,360 --> 01:36:26,719
the budget is dealt with and then uh

2307
01:36:26,719 --> 01:36:29,040
depending on how you work on the budget

2308
01:36:29,040 --> 01:36:30,880
you can amend the ordinance to conform

2309
01:36:30,880 --> 01:36:33,480
with the budget so do we need two public

2310
01:36:33,480 --> 01:36:34,760
hearing you would need two public

2311
01:36:34,760 --> 01:36:36,360
hearings the reason being is because

2312
01:36:36,360 --> 01:36:39,119
you're dealing sorry there's five I

2313
01:36:39,119 --> 01:36:40,840
think for if you were to go through

2314
01:36:40,840 --> 01:36:43,000
change everything you want I think

2315
01:36:43,000 --> 01:36:44,360
because I think they weren't quite

2316
01:36:44,360 --> 01:36:47,679
certain about I I think about what I

2317
01:36:47,679 --> 01:36:48,800
think they weren't you weren't quite

2318
01:36:48,800 --> 01:36:50,760
certain about the first part of the

2319
01:36:50,760 --> 01:36:53,320
hearing uh first part I'm just focusing

2320
01:36:53,320 --> 01:36:56,280
on the uh the

2321
01:36:56,280 --> 01:37:01,239
uh parking and now the dog dog parking

2322
01:37:01,239 --> 01:37:04,560
it's not parking only we're all fees and

2323
01:37:04,560 --> 01:37:07,239
then uh I think I think if false alarm

2324
01:37:07,239 --> 01:37:09,239
fees I think you need more information

2325
01:37:09,239 --> 01:37:11,440
regarding the false alarm Fe so I don't

2326
01:37:11,440 --> 01:37:12,840
know if that's ready for a public

2327
01:37:12,840 --> 01:37:16,239
hearing yet you may need to and whether

2328
01:37:16,239 --> 01:37:18,040
that's going to have a significant

2329
01:37:18,040 --> 01:37:20,800
amount of Revenue I don't know but I

2330
01:37:20,800 --> 01:37:22,080
mean you can

2331
01:37:22,080 --> 01:37:24,800
always you can call for public hearings

2332
01:37:24,800 --> 01:37:27,520
on all those items and then deal with

2333
01:37:27,520 --> 01:37:30,760
that before the next the next committee

2334
01:37:30,760 --> 01:37:33,400
cycle and then you know Mark everything

2335
01:37:33,400 --> 01:37:34,840
up and then it will be ready for the

2336
01:37:34,840 --> 01:37:36,320
public hearing and then you'll have a

2337
01:37:36,320 --> 01:37:38,280
draft

2338
01:37:38,280 --> 01:37:40,000
ordinance

2339
01:37:40,000 --> 01:37:43,599
I public heing going on the same night

2340
01:37:43,599 --> 01:37:46,119
for the every for the

2341
01:37:46,119 --> 01:37:47,719
uh

2342
01:37:47,719 --> 01:37:50,440
publics oh there was the The False Alarm

2343
01:37:50,440 --> 01:37:52,080
fees if you were to

2344
01:37:52,080 --> 01:37:54,719
increase FAL if you were to if you were

2345
01:37:54,719 --> 01:37:57,880
going to change what the false alarm

2346
01:37:57,880 --> 01:37:59,360
definition was and if you're going to

2347
01:37:59,360 --> 01:38:02,520
change the false alarm fees structure

2348
01:38:02,520 --> 01:38:07,629
and then there was the parking finds the

2349
01:38:07,639 --> 01:38:11,040
records and then the control

2350
01:38:11,040 --> 01:38:16,000
Fe oh the records also

2351
01:38:16,000 --> 01:38:19,880
okay any that's the last slide no uh two

2352
01:38:19,880 --> 01:38:22,560
more quick ones so Mr M I want to make

2353
01:38:22,560 --> 01:38:24,040
my point about exemption I'm I'm going

2354
01:38:24,040 --> 01:38:26,080
do with Miss um Miss Mike that they

2355
01:38:26,080 --> 01:38:28,639
should be taken away because right now

2356
01:38:28,639 --> 01:38:29,920
people don't have to answer any

2357
01:38:29,920 --> 01:38:32,520
questions no that's okay I yeah I'm fine

2358
01:38:32,520 --> 01:38:34,639
with that I was thinking about you know

2359
01:38:34,639 --> 01:38:36,360
but then there there's a part of money

2360
01:38:36,360 --> 01:38:39,239
that can be used to help individual and

2361
01:38:39,239 --> 01:38:43,599
those situation I'm and so so we're

2362
01:38:43,599 --> 01:38:45,360
talking about five public hearings on on

2363
01:38:45,360 --> 01:38:48,719
the night just be clear night so five

2364
01:38:48,719 --> 01:38:50,800
plus what you may want to do is the

2365
01:38:50,800 --> 01:38:53,239
bigger items are the dog license fees

2366
01:38:53,239 --> 01:38:54,880
and and the parking fees the parking

2367
01:38:54,880 --> 01:38:57,599
fees that you saw would generate a lot

2368
01:38:57,599 --> 01:38:59,520
of Revenue if those fees were to go

2369
01:38:59,520 --> 01:39:01,719
through so perhaps you just have the

2370
01:39:01,719 --> 01:39:07,719
parking fees on the same night as the uh the budget heing because

2371
01:39:07,719 --> 01:39:09,400
that's probably the most significant

2372
01:39:09,400 --> 01:39:13,000
amount of money that I've saw yeah no I

2373
01:39:13,000 --> 01:39:14,119
recommend that we do all at the same

2374
01:39:14,119 --> 01:39:16,480
time I get it over with I mean it small

2375
01:39:16,480 --> 01:39:18,880
they small public hearing maybe

2376
01:39:18,880 --> 01:39:22,119
you few people yeah my my bigger concern

2377
01:39:22,119 --> 01:39:23,480
is like people know what they're going

2378
01:39:23,480 --> 01:39:25,639
to be about there so many yeah cuz it

2379
01:39:25,639 --> 01:39:28,520
can that's a lot that's a

2380
01:39:28,520 --> 01:39:31,080
lot what does the next SL tell us what

2381
01:39:31,080 --> 01:39:33,239
the total a lot of money is

2382
01:39:33,239 --> 01:39:37,679
can no 8 to 10,000 a year for

2383
01:39:37,679 --> 01:39:40,480
the depending on the year depending on

2384
01:39:40,480 --> 01:39:44,430
if they're one two or three year renewal

2385
01:39:44,440 --> 01:39:46,639
Cycles so we could still have the public

2386
01:39:46,639 --> 01:39:48,800
hearing implemented it without I mean

2387
01:39:48,800 --> 01:39:50,800
after the budget season yeah this yes

2388
01:39:50,800 --> 01:39:52,239
we're going to pass it and it's going to

2389
01:39:52,239 --> 01:39:55,080
take in January for so we have enough

2390
01:39:55,080 --> 01:39:58,520
time to to a PA out there and let people

2391
01:39:58,520 --> 01:39:59,920
know that hey this is what's going to

2392
01:39:59,920 --> 01:40:03,320
happen well ask Michelle to to kind of

2393
01:40:03,320 --> 01:40:04,880
put it on the website to people know

2394
01:40:04,880 --> 01:40:06,840
that January 4st these changes are

2395
01:40:06,840 --> 01:40:08,480
coming into

2396
01:40:08,480 --> 01:40:10,560
place cuz that's not a huge budget

2397
01:40:10,560 --> 01:40:12,800
impact no it's not a hug just something

2398
01:40:12,800 --> 01:40:14,719
that we need to address these small

2399
01:40:14,719 --> 01:40:17,350
little

2400
01:40:17,360 --> 01:40:20,520
things next two next this is this is a

2401
01:40:20,520 --> 01:40:22,639
very quick one uh we do have grant money

2402
01:40:22,639 --> 01:40:25,760
and we also have have uh money in cap

2403
01:40:25,760 --> 01:40:27,639
and you guys provide us with capital

2404
01:40:27,639 --> 01:40:30,400
funding in the past um so we are looking

2405
01:40:30,400 --> 01:40:32,679
to do a new kennel facility in the city

2406
01:40:32,679 --> 01:40:34,639
and when we do do that there will be

2407
01:40:34,639 --> 01:40:37,159
options for more more Revenue that may

2408
01:40:37,159 --> 01:40:39,679
or may not require some assistance for

2409
01:40:39,679 --> 01:40:42,159
you guys and helping us do that but uh

2410
01:40:42,159 --> 01:40:44,719
right now if we get a new facility we

2411
01:40:44,719 --> 01:40:46,080
can look to at lease canel space to

2412
01:40:46,080 --> 01:40:48,000
other municipalities we're having

2413
01:40:48,000 --> 01:40:50,920
trouble U post trainings there's a lot

2414
01:40:50,920 --> 01:40:52,920
that we'd like to do that's another hour

2415
01:40:52,920 --> 01:40:54,599
something don't do that and then look

2416
01:40:54,599 --> 01:40:57,199
into the countywide agreement instead of

2417
01:40:57,199 --> 01:40:59,000
having Justice City be involved there's

2418
01:40:59,000 --> 01:41:00,880
other people that would like to be part

2419
01:41:00,880 --> 01:41:03,320
of our agreement but uh they're more or

2420
01:41:03,320 --> 01:41:04,920
less locked out of the agreement so

2421
01:41:04,920 --> 01:41:06,880
possibly we could look to expand it

2422
01:41:06,880 --> 01:41:10,360
countywide with that and the last one uh

2423
01:41:10,360 --> 01:41:13,000
I know that the council gave the mayor

2424
01:41:13,000 --> 01:41:16,280
the option to look at keyas rates and

2425
01:41:16,280 --> 01:41:17,840
change those they were last change in

2426
01:41:17,840 --> 01:41:21,280
2020 and I recommend at some point a

2427
01:41:21,280 --> 01:41:23,639
group looks at those fees to see if

2428
01:41:23,639 --> 01:41:25,360
they're still in line with what they

2429
01:41:25,360 --> 01:41:29,040
should be is that an engineer is that an

2430
01:41:29,040 --> 01:41:30,119
engineer

2431
01:41:30,119 --> 01:41:32,639
thing yes

2432
01:41:32,639 --> 01:41:35,840
so yes engineering engineering helps set

2433
01:41:35,840 --> 01:41:38,840
the set the initial fees so I don't know how the initial fee

2434
01:41:38,840 --> 01:41:41,320
structure was set um I have the initial

2435
01:41:41,320 --> 01:41:43,199
fee I have what they are today um they

2436
01:41:43,199 --> 01:41:44,920
haven't changed since 2020 but have

2437
01:41:44,920 --> 01:41:46,719
something to to think about looking at

2438
01:41:46,719 --> 01:41:49,440
and seeing if that uh they should be

2439
01:41:49,440 --> 01:41:50,960
updated

2440
01:41:50,960 --> 01:41:53,639
we whenever we updated Park and we have

2441
01:41:53,639 --> 01:41:59,639
to coordinate natural M we we'll get to

2442
01:41:59,639 --> 01:42:07,030
you okay that's the last slide that's it any other

2443
01:42:07,040 --> 01:42:09,560
questions so if we were to move forward

2444
01:42:09,560 --> 01:42:11,360
this we need to call for public hearing

2445
01:42:11,360 --> 01:42:12,800
and I think it's like three public

2446
01:42:12,800 --> 01:42:14,560
hearing because we're not doing with

2447
01:42:14,560 --> 01:42:16,599
parking rates because that would have to

2448
01:42:16,599 --> 01:42:18,080
fall on the engineering and we're not

2449
01:42:18,080 --> 01:42:22,159
touching on that and high remote

2450
01:42:22,159 --> 01:42:24,800
control is are correct so we need to

2451
01:42:24,800 --> 01:42:27,000
call for public hearing for false

2452
01:42:27,000 --> 01:42:31,119
alarm public hearing for the parking

2453
01:42:31,119 --> 01:42:34,119
fines we're not doing a parkings we

2454
01:42:34,119 --> 01:42:38,159
don't have the RS and Animal Control Fe

2455
01:42:38,159 --> 01:42:40,639
fre public heing and the

2456
01:42:40,639 --> 01:42:44,360
records on record yeah records oh yeah

2457
01:42:44,360 --> 01:42:49,639
sorry record it's not records fals

2458
01:42:49,639 --> 01:42:55,470
records animal right go ahead Miss

2459
01:42:55,480 --> 01:42:57,360
I thought we waiting for the feedback of

2460
01:42:57,360 --> 01:43:02,159
other municipalities for the false

2461
01:43:02,159 --> 01:43:04,280
alarms so I have written down I'm going

2462
01:43:04,280 --> 01:43:06,599
to come back I'm I'll email out what the

2463
01:43:06,599 --> 01:43:09,159
bills were versus what was paid and what

2464
01:43:09,159 --> 01:43:10,840
other municipalities are charging for

2465
01:43:10,840 --> 01:43:13,080
their false armarm Fe so that's my one

2466
01:43:13,080 --> 01:43:15,719
takeaway my other takeaway is the

2467
01:43:15,719 --> 01:43:18,520
oneyear same data set we used there of

2468
01:43:18,520 --> 01:43:21,199
zones for parking that's good any other

2469
01:43:21,199 --> 01:43:24,719
information we need from assistant I

2470
01:43:24,719 --> 01:43:26,840
think that that's what we asking here so

2471
01:43:26,840 --> 01:43:29,400
we need to call for call public care for

2472
01:43:29,400 --> 01:43:32,800
records call for public hearing for the

2473
01:43:32,800 --> 01:43:35,639
alarm false alarm we need to call for

2474
01:43:35,639 --> 01:43:38,280
public hearing parking findes and we

2475
01:43:38,280 --> 01:43:40,320
need to call for public hearing and

2476
01:43:40,320 --> 01:43:41,920
Animal Control

2477
01:43:41,920 --> 01:43:45,840
Fe go ahead please C can't call for

2478
01:43:45,840 --> 01:43:47,080
public hearing if we're still looking at

2479
01:43:47,080 --> 01:43:49,719
adjust trade so no we're not adjusting

2480
01:43:49,719 --> 01:43:52,040
the this is the L we just asking for

2481
01:43:52,040 --> 01:43:55,639
backup false alarm I I was looking for

2482
01:43:55,639 --> 01:43:57,719
more context that increase the rates but

2483
01:43:57,719 --> 01:44:01,040
we're trying to identify what rates it's

2484
01:44:01,040 --> 01:44:03,320
getting off on that one so we can hold

2485
01:44:03,320 --> 01:44:06,280
off on that one the false alarm right so

2486
01:44:06,280 --> 01:44:09,280
it's records so what I do we'll proceed

2487
01:44:09,280 --> 01:44:11,760
to call for public hearing for the

2488
01:44:11,760 --> 01:44:13,800
records October

2489
01:44:13,800 --> 01:44:18,000
15 I have a motion second call in favor

2490
01:44:18,000 --> 01:44:21,239
I so we'll skip the false alarm and wait

2491
01:44:21,239 --> 01:44:24,040
on the backup documents

2492
01:44:24,040 --> 01:44:26,119
I call for a public hearing on the

2493
01:44:26,119 --> 01:44:28,760
parking findes for October

2494
01:44:28,760 --> 01:44:31,320
15th are we going to wait for that too

2495
01:44:31,320 --> 01:44:33,560
wait for the information that talk

2496
01:44:33,560 --> 01:44:36,840
about well we have the backup he's just

2497
01:44:36,840 --> 01:44:38,520
going to spread it out for us in more

2498
01:44:38,520 --> 01:44:41,960
detail and we have that before the

2499
01:44:41,960 --> 01:44:44,280
15th so this just calling and setting

2500
01:44:44,280 --> 01:44:46,840
the public hearing we have almost a

2501
01:44:46,840 --> 01:44:51,669
month to get that

2502
01:44:51,679 --> 01:44:54,159
information you have

2503
01:44:54,159 --> 01:44:56,599
yeah you have another committee meeting

2504
01:44:56,599 --> 01:44:59,920
between we have one we still have a Mee

2505
01:44:59,920 --> 01:45:02,880
committee meeting so you can pass it

2506
01:45:02,880 --> 01:45:06,119
maybe final version that that evening

2507
01:45:06,119 --> 01:45:09,360
and still be in time for the public

2508
01:45:09,360 --> 01:45:11,520
hearing we still have

2509
01:45:11,520 --> 01:45:13,639
time thing going back to the false

2510
01:45:13,639 --> 01:45:16,080
alarms trying to leverage our time now

2511
01:45:16,080 --> 01:45:18,480
do we call it and then in between that

2512
01:45:18,480 --> 01:45:19,880
we still have time to adjust it yeah

2513
01:45:19,880 --> 01:45:22,560
that's exactly yeah cuz we still have

2514
01:45:22,560 --> 01:45:24,440
almost month to get that information and

2515
01:45:24,440 --> 01:45:26,880
I'm pretty sure we get that in a week or

2516
01:45:26,880 --> 01:45:28,639
two from p and that will give us enough

2517
01:45:28,639 --> 01:45:31,400
time to kind of like two weeks out to

2518
01:45:31,400 --> 01:45:33,199
kind of like review it internally

2519
01:45:33,199 --> 01:45:34,639
between ourselves and then the public

2520
01:45:34,639 --> 01:45:37,159
hearing is on the 15th let's listen to

2521
01:45:37,159 --> 01:45:38,840
the public we came back come back to the

2522
01:45:38,840 --> 01:45:41,119
table and we can like iron it out and

2523
01:45:41,119 --> 01:45:42,040
move

2524
01:45:42,040 --> 01:45:44,880
our so I so are you saying that you

2525
01:45:44,880 --> 01:45:45,880
think that we should have the public

2526
01:45:45,880 --> 01:45:47,239
hearing on the 15th for the

2527
01:45:47,239 --> 01:45:51,920
fils were you asking in terms of timing yes is that your

2528
01:45:51,920 --> 01:45:53,760
question my question was was if we're

2529
01:45:53,760 --> 01:45:55,599
doing that in similar context was like

2530
01:45:55,599 --> 01:45:57,800
another area I just want to make it

2531
01:45:57,800 --> 01:46:00,560
known I I very much want to increase the

2532
01:46:00,560 --> 01:46:02,280
rates for the false alarms is just

2533
01:46:02,280 --> 01:46:04,400
identifying what rates there are so if

2534
01:46:04,400 --> 01:46:07,440
we're trying to like hedge time like we

2535
01:46:07,440 --> 01:46:10,239
will we will uh word the uh word the

2536
01:46:10,239 --> 01:46:11,920
public hearing notice they calling for

2537
01:46:11,920 --> 01:46:13,560
an increase in the public amendment that

2538
01:46:13,560 --> 01:46:15,360
of that particular part of the code

2539
01:46:15,360 --> 01:46:17,560
calling for an increase in the

2540
01:46:17,560 --> 01:46:20,800
uh fine amounts so that would be what

2541
01:46:20,800 --> 01:46:23,239
the public will be on notice for the

2542
01:46:23,239 --> 01:46:25,880
legislation we

2543
01:46:25,880 --> 01:46:28,119
follow and then look at the other

2544
01:46:28,119 --> 01:46:30,119
municipality we'll come back to the

2545
01:46:30,119 --> 01:46:31,679
council with I will share with the

2546
01:46:31,679 --> 01:46:34,119
council have assistant and chief shared

2547
01:46:34,119 --> 01:46:36,560
with the Council of the municipality way

2548
01:46:36,560 --> 01:46:38,080
they have for false

2549
01:46:38,080 --> 01:46:39,840
alarm

2550
01:46:39,840 --> 01:46:43,440
okay so we did go through with the call

2551
01:46:43,440 --> 01:46:46,599
public hearing for the record so we can proceed to call for public

2552
01:46:46,599 --> 01:46:49,119
hearing on the false alarm feed for

2553
01:46:49,119 --> 01:46:51,320
October

2554
01:46:51,320 --> 01:46:55,599
15th so second second all in favor I and

2555
01:46:55,599 --> 01:46:57,199
then we'll call for a public Hearing in

2556
01:46:57,199 --> 01:47:00,639
October the 15th for parking fine

2557
01:47:00,639 --> 01:47:04,119
fees second all in favor I and then

2558
01:47:04,119 --> 01:47:05,840
we'll call for public hearing and the

2559
01:47:05,840 --> 01:47:09,520
animal control fee October

2560
01:47:09,520 --> 01:47:14,880
15 so uh so moved again all in favor I I

2561
01:47:14,880 --> 01:47:16,639
thank

2562
01:47:16,639 --> 01:47:18,760
you we we'll get to work and we'll

2563
01:47:18,760 --> 01:47:20,280
provide all the information that is

2564
01:47:20,280 --> 01:47:22,080
needed there a hand waving in the hair

2565
01:47:22,080 --> 01:47:25,280
back there what are we doing with

2566
01:47:25,280 --> 01:47:27,520
paring no we we'll have a meeting with

2567
01:47:27,520 --> 01:47:29,280
you regards to

2568
01:47:29,280 --> 01:47:33,599
the unless you ready to go no I'm just

2569
01:47:33,599 --> 01:47:35,679
kidding yeah I just want we we'll

2570
01:47:35,679 --> 01:47:37,560
provide all the information that was

2571
01:47:37,560 --> 01:47:40,880
asked U to the conso so that we can uh

2572
01:47:40,880 --> 01:47:42,840
proceed with this in a timely

2573
01:47:42,840 --> 01:47:47,830
manner the next

2574
01:47:47,840 --> 01:47:50,480
item review collecting feedback from

2575
01:47:50,480 --> 01:47:53,679
City residents on our cbgs like CV

2576
01:47:53,679 --> 01:47:55,760
funding to prevent prepare for and

2577
01:47:55,760 --> 01:47:59,310
respond to Corona virus

2578
01:47:59,320 --> 01:48:01,840
projects um there a public hearing was

2579
01:48:01,840 --> 01:48:03,760
held on the

2580
01:48:03,760 --> 01:48:08,199
9th start here I beg

2581
01:48:08,199 --> 01:48:10,960
pardon are there any questions there

2582
01:48:10,960 --> 01:48:13,080
were no um speakers there were no

2583
01:48:13,080 --> 01:48:15,080
speakers are there any questions

2584
01:48:15,080 --> 01:48:18,310
comments on

2585
01:48:18,320 --> 01:48:20,719
this we need to we need to move so I

2586
01:48:20,719 --> 01:48:22,440
have a motion to to to move this

2587
01:48:22,440 --> 01:48:29,669
resolution

2588
01:48:29,679 --> 01:48:31,880
can I have a

2589
01:48:31,880 --> 01:48:34,599
second closing out this matter it would

2590
01:48:34,599 --> 01:48:36,679
be a motion to closing out the public

2591
01:48:36,679 --> 01:48:38,639
hearing with then there was no comments

2592
01:48:38,639 --> 01:48:42,520
and the report will go forward to

2593
01:48:42,520 --> 01:48:45,639
the the agency that's was just to hear

2594
01:48:45,639 --> 01:48:47,840
what the motion it would be a motion to

2595
01:48:47,840 --> 01:48:49,920
close out the public hearing and and you

2596
01:48:49,920 --> 01:48:53,159
know send the report to the Federal

2597
01:48:53,159 --> 01:48:56,800
responsible for this fund okay think did

2598
01:48:56,800 --> 01:49:00,560
you and second second all in favor any

2599
01:49:00,560 --> 01:49:03,599
other business or Finance motion to

2600
01:49:03,599 --> 01:49:07,639
adjourn second all in favor I I'd like

2601
01:49:07,639 --> 01:49:09,760
to call to order uh City development and

2602
01:49:09,760 --> 01:49:11,480
planning there are 10 items on the

2603
01:49:11,480 --> 01:49:13,440
agenda and I will would like to add a

2604
01:49:13,440 --> 01:49:15,199
couple more ceremonial resolutions just

2605
01:49:15,199 --> 01:49:19,119
so you're aware um Mr Wall's here so the

2606
01:49:19,119 --> 01:49:21,159
first item is the award viid contract

2607
01:49:21,159 --> 01:49:32,070
for the city hall that ation

2608
01:49:32,080 --> 01:49:34,520
replacement uh so the first award bidden

2609
01:49:34,520 --> 01:49:36,920
contract we have is for like it says

2610
01:49:36,920 --> 01:49:38,880
City Hall ventilation replacement there

2611
01:49:38,880 --> 01:49:41,800
are two bids for this one is an

2612
01:49:41,800 --> 01:49:44,159
electrical one is mechanical we did the

2613
01:49:44,159 --> 01:49:46,239
Electrical uh several weeks ago

2614
01:49:46,239 --> 01:49:47,760
mechanical we didn't get a bid because

2615
01:49:47,760 --> 01:49:50,280
of some labeling we did come back out

2616
01:49:50,280 --> 01:49:52,719
put out a bid and received a low bid

2617
01:49:52,719 --> 01:49:56,360
from R&B mechanical um the second bid

2618
01:49:56,360 --> 01:49:58,960
was considerably higher from Hecker we

2619
01:49:58,960 --> 01:50:01,159
did talk with R&B mechanical we have

2620
01:50:01,159 --> 01:50:03,239
done a lot of work with R&B mechanical

2621
01:50:03,239 --> 01:50:05,560
and they are confident in their number

2622
01:50:05,560 --> 01:50:07,719
so we are confident in them and we're

2623
01:50:07,719 --> 01:50:11,350
recommending to move

2624
01:50:11,360 --> 01:50:14,560
forward any questions concerns move this

2625
01:50:14,560 --> 01:50:17,960
second all in favor I uh item number two

2626
01:50:17,960 --> 01:50:19,480
awarding been contract for the watt

2627
01:50:19,480 --> 01:50:21,080
Street and car Street Park improvements

2628
01:50:21,080 --> 01:50:25,159
to car Construction Wallen um this is a

2629
01:50:25,159 --> 01:50:26,599
we're calling it a was Street Safety

2630
01:50:26,599 --> 01:50:28,440
project um it's a project we've been

2631
01:50:28,440 --> 01:50:30,040
working with the members of the

2632
01:50:30,040 --> 01:50:32,280
Congressional gate to Heaven Cemetery

2633
01:50:32,280 --> 01:50:34,840
committee um because of the unique

2634
01:50:34,840 --> 01:50:38,040
configuration of watch Street the fence

2635
01:50:38,040 --> 01:50:40,599
has been hit multiple times uh over the

2636
01:50:40,599 --> 01:50:43,920
course of the history of the cemetery uh

2637
01:50:43,920 --> 01:50:45,840
they've asked the city to try to

2638
01:50:45,840 --> 01:50:48,599
mitigate that um so what we have is

2639
01:50:48,599 --> 01:50:52,199
we've designed a uh di rail system with

2640
01:50:52,199 --> 01:50:54,239
chevr we're looking to possibly install

2641
01:50:54,239 --> 01:50:56,159
a couple of solar power light up

2642
01:50:56,159 --> 01:50:58,800
Chevrons cuz a lot of these do happen at

2643
01:50:58,800 --> 01:51:02,159
night uh where it is a you geometry that

2644
01:51:02,159 --> 01:51:04,639
we're not looking to have uh very unique

2645
01:51:04,639 --> 01:51:07,880
in the area um and this also have a a

2646
01:51:07,880 --> 01:51:10,159
modified driveway and then we're also

2647
01:51:10,159 --> 01:51:12,639
working with uh the carish street park

2648
01:51:12,639 --> 01:51:14,880
and trying to work with the people there

2649
01:51:14,880 --> 01:51:18,400
to pick away at their master plan um a

2650
01:51:18,400 --> 01:51:20,800
little bit at a time this will extend

2651
01:51:20,800 --> 01:51:23,560
their sidewalk to the basketball court

2652
01:51:23,560 --> 01:51:26,599
little connection and then for some pads

2653
01:51:26,599 --> 01:51:28,440
so that they can install some benches

2654
01:51:28,440 --> 01:51:30,400
around the area that's

2655
01:51:30,400 --> 01:51:34,440
great any questions concerns a motion

2656
01:51:34,440 --> 01:51:36,440
second all those in

2657
01:51:36,440 --> 01:51:39,239
favor thank you and item number three

2658
01:51:39,239 --> 01:51:40,840
excuse me award biding contract for

2659
01:51:40,840 --> 01:51:44,040
disconnected fire station number one H

2660
01:51:44,040 --> 01:51:47,360
HVAC and Generator upgrades uh so

2661
01:51:47,360 --> 01:51:50,480
similar to the City Hall of ventilation

2662
01:51:50,480 --> 01:51:55,400
this was uh the DC portion of a four bid

2663
01:51:55,400 --> 01:51:58,560
Wix law project we already awarded three

2664
01:51:58,560 --> 01:51:59,920
the mechanical the electrical and the

2665
01:51:59,920 --> 01:52:01,800
plumbing we did have a hard time finding

2666
01:52:01,800 --> 01:52:06,400
a GC we were able to um call a couple of

2667
01:52:06,400 --> 01:52:09,480
people and get them to bid the low bid

2668
01:52:09,480 --> 01:52:12,639
is MJG construction we have not worked

2669
01:52:12,639 --> 01:52:14,440
with them they are relatively local out

2670
01:52:14,440 --> 01:52:16,599
of Bon Spa we did call we have

2671
01:52:16,599 --> 01:52:17,960
references they have worked with the

2672
01:52:17,960 --> 01:52:20,719
county and they have worked with um a

2673
01:52:20,719 --> 01:52:23,960
couple of the sub other main contractors

2674
01:52:23,960 --> 01:52:26,040
on the project which is how they were

2675
01:52:26,040 --> 01:52:29,119
called and referenced so um with all

2676
01:52:29,119 --> 01:52:31,599
that said we were comfortable that they

2677
01:52:31,599 --> 01:52:33,280
understand the job and be able to work

2678
01:52:33,280 --> 01:52:35,599
uh from the other groups that are here

2679
01:52:35,599 --> 01:52:38,920
they significantly lower than that Yep

2680
01:52:38,920 --> 01:52:40,159
this

2681
01:52:40,159 --> 01:52:43,040
uh this work is for the GCM this

2682
01:52:43,040 --> 01:52:45,800
particular job is

2683
01:52:45,800 --> 01:52:49,560
not two two lbers it's a it's a lot of

2684
01:52:49,560 --> 01:52:52,079
repairing ceiling tiles and penetrations

2685
01:52:52,079 --> 01:52:53,920
and things the majority of the work I

2686
01:52:53,920 --> 01:52:55,400
mean if you were look at you had all the

2687
01:52:55,400 --> 01:52:58,079
bids in front of you the hbac work is

2688
01:52:58,079 --> 01:53:01,639
actually $1.3 million that's the HC CU

2689
01:53:01,639 --> 01:53:03,560
that's the bulk of the work I don't even

2690
01:53:03,560 --> 01:53:05,520
know if the plumbing component is small

2691
01:53:05,520 --> 01:53:07,880
the electric component is small GC is

2692
01:53:07,880 --> 01:53:10,280
small it's really Tak V AC job which is

2693
01:53:10,280 --> 01:53:12,920
why we're having a hard time going and I

2694
01:53:12,920 --> 01:53:15,560
would also think that um because the

2695
01:53:15,560 --> 01:53:17,599
contractors know that this was the third

2696
01:53:17,599 --> 01:53:21,639
bike at the Apple that they probably you

2697
01:53:21,639 --> 01:53:24,159
know oh increased a little bit knowing

2698
01:53:24,159 --> 01:53:26,440
that the city was in a bench uh and this

2699
01:53:26,440 --> 01:53:30,000
contractor cly not as much but um like I

2700
01:53:30,000 --> 01:53:31,800
say we we have faith in our references

2701
01:53:31,800 --> 01:53:33,400
and the people that we talk to and we're

2702
01:53:33,400 --> 01:53:34,719
looking forward to

2703
01:53:34,719 --> 01:53:37,760
working thank you questions comments

2704
01:53:37,760 --> 01:53:40,440
move this second all in favor

2705
01:53:40,440 --> 01:53:44,950
I thank you thank you Mr

2706
01:53:44,960 --> 01:53:49,719
R uh so the um next one is just is a

2707
01:53:49,719 --> 01:53:52,880
ceremonial resolution recognizing Cancer

2708
01:53:52,880 --> 01:53:54,760
month which is October something we

2709
01:53:54,760 --> 01:53:57,360
generally try to do every year uh

2710
01:53:57,360 --> 01:54:01,560
entertain a motion second all in favor

2711
01:54:01,560 --> 01:54:03,320
and the next ceremonial resolution we

2712
01:54:03,320 --> 01:54:05,719
all received an email from Business and

2713
01:54:05,719 --> 01:54:08,320
Professional women asking for actually

2714
01:54:08,320 --> 01:54:10,159
they ask for Proclamation but we do

2715
01:54:10,159 --> 01:54:12,719
resolutions so um putting forth to do a

2716
01:54:12,719 --> 01:54:13,920
resolution for the woman who's being

2717
01:54:13,920 --> 01:54:15,800
honored this year for woman of the

2718
01:54:15,800 --> 01:54:18,280
year uh what's her name Jennifer

2719
01:54:18,280 --> 01:54:21,599
Hendrick fog so I'll Contin a motion so

2720
01:54:21,599 --> 01:54:23,480
Mo second all in

2721
01:54:23,480 --> 01:54:26,199
favor item number six is a reminder of

2722
01:54:26,199 --> 01:54:28,000
the ceremony renaming of a portion of

2723
01:54:28,000 --> 01:54:30,159
Barrett street from Heron Street to the

2724
01:54:30,159 --> 01:54:32,880
intersection of South Avenue to Marlene

2725
01:54:32,880 --> 01:54:34,400
Hill way there was a public hearing held

2726
01:54:34,400 --> 01:54:37,000
on oh excuse me the public hearing will

2727
01:54:37,000 --> 01:54:38,440
be held on

2728
01:54:38,440 --> 01:54:41,639
923 Mr M there no that's all right thank

2729
01:54:41,639 --> 01:54:44,719
you just a reminder public hearing is uh

2730
01:54:44,719 --> 01:54:48,599
next Monday 700 p.m. okay thank you and

2731
01:54:48,599 --> 01:54:50,719
I would like to ask the uh council's

2732
01:54:50,719 --> 01:54:52,920
Indulgence to um

2733
01:54:52,920 --> 01:54:54,960
forward a couple more um resolutions I

2734
01:54:54,960 --> 01:54:57,119
just actually came forward one of them

2735
01:54:57,119 --> 01:54:59,599
if you read yesterday's paper there's a

2736
01:54:59,599 --> 01:55:04,880
young man who currently resides in our city uh James Jac Thomas who's been

2737
01:55:04,880 --> 01:55:07,040
inducted into the Hall of Fame as we

2738
01:55:07,040 --> 01:55:10,320
speak uh so want to be able to recognize

2739
01:55:10,320 --> 01:55:12,800
him with the ceremonial

2740
01:55:12,800 --> 01:55:16,520
resolution so Mo second all in

2741
01:55:16,520 --> 01:55:19,000
favor and then additionally also this

2742
01:55:19,000 --> 01:55:21,639
weekend I was um um someone reached out

2743
01:55:21,639 --> 01:55:23,960
to me September is suicide prevention

2744
01:55:23,960 --> 01:55:25,880
month but for whatever reason they're

2745
01:55:25,880 --> 01:55:28,920
not having their walk until October 6th

2746
01:55:28,920 --> 01:55:31,159
so um called and wanted to it it's their

2747
01:55:31,159 --> 01:55:32,840
10year anniversary of their walk in the

2748
01:55:32,840 --> 01:55:35,320
city of skincity so um and this would

2749
01:55:35,320 --> 01:55:37,920
actually be presented at the walk so um

2750
01:55:37,920 --> 01:55:41,760
just asking for a motion on this

2751
01:55:41,760 --> 01:55:45,560
resolution second all in favor thank you

2752
01:55:45,560 --> 01:55:47,320
madam president since you're Ting here I

2753
01:55:47,320 --> 01:55:49,400
think we all missed that Hispanic heras

2754
01:55:49,400 --> 01:55:53,040
month it celebrated um member 15 to

2755
01:55:53,040 --> 01:55:55,040
October 15 so I would like to ask that

2756
01:55:55,040 --> 01:55:57,119
we add that also and you you'll reach

2757
01:55:57,119 --> 01:55:58,719
out to somebody to come because having

2758
01:55:58,719 --> 01:56:00,639
that issue since we're adding you know

2759
01:56:00,639 --> 01:56:02,960
let's not leave anybody out so I would

2760
01:56:02,960 --> 01:56:05,360
like to ask for a CR for Hispanic

2761
01:56:05,360 --> 01:56:07,719
Heritage

2762
01:56:07,719 --> 01:56:10,480
Month second all those in

2763
01:56:10,480 --> 01:56:13,960
favor okay uh the remainder of the items

2764
01:56:13,960 --> 01:56:18,079
are in executive session for property

2765
01:56:18,079 --> 01:56:21,280
sales so I entertain a motion to go to

2766
01:56:21,280 --> 01:56:23,679
Executive session move second all in

2767
01:56:23,679 --> 01:56:25,760
favor I we're in executive session

2768
01:56:25,760 --> 01:56:32,830
members of the public will have to leave

2769
01:56:32,840 --> 01:56:43,879
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