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[1:15] don't even doesn't
[1:23] like just just send a notification I'd
[1:27] like to call to or disc connect the city
[1:29] council committee meeting for
[1:31] Monday September 16th 2024 and the first
[1:35] thing on our agenda we're going to have
[1:36] a presentation by Mr lefon on the
[1:40] uh survey that we should have done in
[1:43] the mail regarding the water Mr lefon
[1:49] service
[1:57] session police play
[2:02] um few weeks back we uh we did contract
[2:06] with the company through a grant to send
[2:09] surveys out to Property Owners within
[2:11] the city of s to meet the new
[2:13] regulations from EPA with regard to
[2:15] letting CER that new rule is to uh was
[2:19] to ban all Le services in 1986 all Le uh
[2:24] containing solder containing lead it was
[2:27] all banned in
[2:28] 1986 uh now there is a push to do
[2:32] surveys of all the properties within the
[2:33] city with York Spain actually the whole
[2:36] country to see which services are still
[2:38] let in and then the next phase of that
[2:41] would be how to remove them so um most
[2:44] Property Owners would have gotten these
[2:46] um it was the best way to do it some
[2:48] Property Owners may get them through
[2:50] their um their service for estro for
[2:53] their Banks it'll be on the website
[2:55] hopefully with the two days here conect
[2:57] um people who don't no uh there is a way
[3:02] to test one lead which is this here part
[3:05] of the Boose neck magnet won't stick the
[3:07] lead okay that's what they're trying to
[3:09] remove
[3:11] um the city allows copper 1in copper um
[3:16] and we do allow a CPS pipe which is
[3:18] plastic um most people now are going
[3:21] with the CPS pipe because it's a
[3:23] fraction of the cost compared to what
[3:25] copper is nowadays I think a 60 or 80t
[3:28] roll of copper is almost $11,000 and 100
[3:32] ft of plastic is about
[3:34] $120 so um residents can go with plastic
[3:38] the only thing they have to do is if
[3:40] they're currently grounded through their
[3:42] electrical paned to the pipe that's in
[3:44] the ground they has to remain grounded
[3:46] if not they have to call an electrician
[3:48] get a electrical permit and put two
[3:50] grounding rods in to the electrical
[3:52] inspector's office to ground the new
[3:54] service or their house
[3:57] um what EPA does after the surveys are
[4:00] out it'll be a work in progress cuz we
[4:04] don't get into we're not going to get
[4:05] into 16,000 houses um you know in the
[4:08] next few months but it'll be a work in
[4:10] progress and once that's done that
[4:12] survey has to be posted on the website
[4:14] in the EPA format so anybody can access
[4:17] it and look up the property and see if
[4:19] it still has a l service or a copper
[4:21] service um so I do want to come in and
[4:25] inform you that these are out so people
[4:27] do contact you please try and get them
[4:30] to either contact the water department
[4:33] send the self card in to uh 120 water
[4:37] and or if they want to do the self test
[4:39] um like I said will schedule appointment
[4:41] with them to actually go out to the
[4:43] house determine whether sling copper I
[4:46] know it's very difficult getting in
[4:47] people's basement nobody wants you in
[4:48] their house I'm not there to look at
[4:50] anything other than the
[4:53] pipe so I don't know if the council has
[4:55] any questions if you do these around
[4:57] these surveys now so if someone has a
[5:00] lead pipe they have to get replaced no
[5:03] um if they touch the Water Service like
[5:05] currently right now they have to do any
[5:07] work Under Water Service it is Le they
[5:10] have to bring it to code but if it's
[5:12] currently in the ground until EPA tells
[5:14] us has be removed and currently who's
[5:18] going to pay for it because the city
[5:20] doesn't own the services we own the
[5:22] mains property owns service from the
[5:26] main into the house so it's not been
[5:28] determined yet
[5:31] right now they're just doing the
[5:33] survey so so um my H's on the paper was
[5:37] kind of my other question um sometimes
[5:39] low lower income homeowners have grants
[5:41] available so is that anything that's
[5:43] going there we had a grant a few years
[5:45] back for around 560,000 we did about 100
[5:50] service lines to you know people who
[5:52] knew the grant was available they had a
[5:54] li service the uh licensed plumber in
[5:57] the city we contact our plumbing inp
[5:59] ector W verify that it was led if it was
[6:02] led that property owner um received the
[6:05] service fre of jge to the rant so
[6:08] hopefully um EPA the federal government
[6:11] will come up with money
[6:12] because it's you know it's millions of
[6:14] dollars it's we have 16,000 properties
[6:18] this would affect almost any house that
[6:21] would built pre 86 that was when the r
[6:23] came to effect so the assumption is if
[6:26] your house was built before
[6:28] 1986 it probably has L unless it was a a
[6:32] replace service cuz it you already went
[6:34] B on you replaced with
[6:36] copper on the other anybody else
[6:38] questions m p um just two quick
[6:40] questions um when are the surveys due
[6:43] back and okay of this year we'll have
[6:47] hopefully the surveys back in or par
[6:49] portion of them okay um the company we
[6:52] have working with us will put the data
[6:54] into the EPA format uh that'll get sent
[6:58] to EPA and we'll just continue working
[7:00] to gain entry to more more houses is the
[7:03] Sur I I know you said the results will
[7:05] go on our website is the survey
[7:07] instrument itself on our website okay no
[7:11] and surveys it's got to be developed in
[7:14] the sense the data is going to be put in 120 water is doing that
[7:19] okay and we're getting and we're keeping
[7:21] a list downstairs and the water
[7:23] department personnel scheduling
[7:25] appointments to all the residents who do
[7:27] call in and just you know want somebody
[7:29] other than themselves to verify what
[7:31] they have going into the house thank you
[7:33] if if it's an unknown you could
[7:35] considered it a let service so we say
[7:39] unknown it's going to be considered
[7:42] let anybody else pa um you mentioned um
[7:46] about cost and the EPA is not discussing
[7:48] that at this point in time the EPA is
[7:50] not discussing cost so who's going to
[7:52] Bard the cost at this point in time is
[7:54] that something that you can try to find
[7:56] out from them as to who is going to be
[7:58] responsible for the cost
[8:01] I I we we can look into it but I think
[8:04] what they're trying to figure out right
[8:05] now
[8:06] is you know in conect alone if you have
[8:09] 16,000 Services you know what do you say
[8:12] um 15% maybe you know lead still we're
[8:16] not sure so we've gone we're going
[8:18] through our data which are old um
[8:20] tapping cards um to help update
[8:23] everything um you know so it's it's a process you know you just trying
[8:28] to find in cards from the 70s or 80s you
[8:32] know you're up in the archives in the
[8:33] Attic so um one of the easiest ways to
[8:36] actually get into a basement and look at
[8:39] the pipe scratch the pipe see if it's
[8:40] light see if it's copper see if it's
[8:45] plastic other questions you didn't have
[8:48] any Britten copy of the survey uh with
[8:50] you I didn't get one mail to me I have a
[8:52] paper copy I can what I'll do is email
[8:54] it out I can email all numers and I can
[8:57] email the most free oh there's one
[8:59] here's one
[8:59] you got a C from your
[9:02] house just so people see what it is and
[9:05] know it's not jum
[9:08] mail that
[9:11] conf so kind of looks like this where it
[9:15] says and so if they scan this QR code
[9:18] they scan the QR code they can respond
[9:20] to through the okay so all right and
[9:23] then just the other side well that just
[9:25] says Resonance of it doesn't oh no it is
[9:28] there okay so if people get things in
[9:31] the mail it's not J mail they to
[9:32] complete the surveys and if they want
[9:34] they only get use call downstairs room 9
[9:36] and we'll set the appointment okay any
[9:39] other thing questions than thank you
[9:41] very much thank for bringing the uh the
[9:44] uh prop to the next meeting for
[9:48] okay thank you see you
[9:51] later all right we'll begin with the
[9:54] public safety so I like to call the
[9:56] Public Safety Committee to order we have
[9:57] three items on the agenda tonight first
[9:59] of which is a discussion of traffic
[10:01] safety measures within the city of enity
[10:03] Miss Patrick yes uh thank you Mr
[10:05] Williams um I'd like to
[10:08] ask Mr Mr Wallen to come to the front I
[10:11] brought 10 copies but nobody's here
[10:14] we're here this is a continuation of a
[10:16] discussion that we've been having about
[10:18] traffic safety and traffic calming
[10:20] measures
[10:30] thank you for bringing me of course
[10:33] hello so September 16th traffic update
[10:36] hope me get my little do hicky I
[10:38] apologize that this TV seems to always
[10:40] be on the
[10:44] pr uh turn it
[10:48] on and there we're away all right so the
[10:51] first thing that we wanted to talk about
[10:53] this is going to be when I do these
[10:54] updates we're going to kind of go with a
[10:56] little bit of agenda but also a little
[10:58] bit of where we have to
[10:59] so one of the first things that we
[11:01] talked about is to put these into place
[11:03] uh officially what we'd like to do is in
[11:05] talking with the corporate council's
[11:07] office is modify the city code to
[11:10] authorize the city engineer as it states
[11:12] uh to have uh section a new section
[11:16] which we're calling traffic cing
[11:17] measures which authorizes a city
[11:19] engineer to install traffic cing
[11:20] measures on designated streets uh as
[11:23] it's written there it is of course
[11:25] totally changed this was a draft that
[11:27] was put together um but but it is the
[11:29] idea that it authorizes myself with your
[11:32] permission to install things that we
[11:34] talked about at the previous update
[11:36] which is speed bumps PPS red light
[11:39] cameras schol zone speed cameras we can
[11:41] even put a little bit of you know and
[11:44] similar devices in in there just so
[11:45] we're not coming back for every little
[11:47] thing um this is something that would
[11:50] require a public hearing I believe
[11:53] because we will be amending the city
[11:55] code um so if this is what we' like to
[11:58] go forward with with I think this would
[12:00] be the the top priority uh to get it
[12:02] into the public hearing process to move
[12:04] forward so that we could do that and I
[12:06] provided you the language in your in
[12:09] your handout there um just moving on if
[12:12] we're going to be doing this uh and
[12:14] calling a public hearing about my roles
[12:17] one of the things that has come up is
[12:19] I'd also liked I haven't even talked to
[12:20] Sean about this I'd also like to amend
[12:23] this section of my duties which has to
[12:25] do with um use of streets and sidewalks
[12:29] what we did was and I'm sure you're kind
[12:31] of aware is we've transitioned a lot of
[12:34] enforcement to codes and we' beautified
[12:37] all the enforcement in the codes
[12:38] Department however we never changeed the
[12:40] charter as it's customary we don't
[12:42] really update the charter as quickly as
[12:44] we should and so the charter says that
[12:46] it's the commissioner of Public Works
[12:48] Paul or the assistant city engineer who
[12:51] does not exist the assistant city
[12:54] engineer was a PE position and I don't
[12:56] believe it's existed for about 20 years
[12:59] um and those are the two people that
[13:01] Shall Serve notice to people for
[13:03] sidewalk violations um so you know we
[13:07] have sidewalk violations that do occur
[13:09] from time to time so I am requesting um
[13:12] that this be changed to commissioner
[13:14] Public Works city engineer or uh the
[13:17] codes department so that we can have the
[13:19] codes officers uh write this as part of
[13:22] their uh duties so while it's not part
[13:27] of the Traffic Safety in a way if we're
[13:30] going to call a public hearing and
[13:33] discuss uh the duties of the city
[13:36] engineer I would love to be able to
[13:37] modify this so it's cleaner I have
[13:40] another one for
[13:43] you thank
[13:45] you on slide three so uh so these were
[13:49] the first two things that we uh that I
[13:51] wanted to talk about was the
[13:52] modification C code city ofor uh the
[13:55] second thing that I wanted to talk with
[13:58] you about today uh would be the speak
[14:01] table procedure it was something that we
[14:04] provided before uh with the city of
[14:07] Rochester I modified it just a little
[14:09] bit simplified some areas of it there
[14:11] you go Sam and I'd like to
[14:15] get um committe comments on it I I do
[14:18] think that it may be appropriate I don't
[14:20] we don't we don't do it much but to meet
[14:23] actually uh with the committee possibly
[14:26] and not turn these Council meetings into
[14:28] workshops
[14:29] um I I don't know how we do that but you
[14:31] know there's decisions that have to be
[14:33] made before we move forward with a lot
[14:35] of these items and I don't know if this
[14:36] is the right venue to have these kind of
[14:39] Workshop discussions so so just so you
[14:41] know since we've been having these kind
[14:43] of things there's been committee
[14:44] meetings being held okay terrific to
[14:47] have that so what you have in front of
[14:50] you is a speed table procedure I'm
[14:52] summarizing it up top where we're saying
[14:55] that you know there' be five steps this
[14:56] is identical to Rochester just modify
[14:59] for the City's connecting where you're
[15:00] talking about a letter of request
[15:01] in-house evaluation traffic study and
[15:04] then the consideration of other factors
[15:06] uh the highlighted portion is where I
[15:07] just like to go is that they use a 75%
[15:11] petition um we don't have a petition
[15:14] that is that high so then I would ask
[15:16] that the council come up with a number
[15:18] that is uh you know it could be 75%
[15:21] could be 50 could be 80 but I just want
[15:23] to make sure that that number I would
[15:24] like the council to be able to set
[15:27] similarly uh on the bottom on Section
[15:30] six there's a section about parallel
[15:33] streets and if you kind of were to read
[15:37] this whole thing and gloss over it it's
[15:39] one of those little worded sections that
[15:41] could be a nightmare um so I will like
[15:44] direct you to where I grew up I grew up
[15:46] on Ardsley Road which is right by the
[15:47] high school Arsley road is a great
[15:50] example road that I just happened to
[15:52] grow up on because Arsley road is you
[15:53] have the high school the parking lot is
[15:55] literally empty on Arsley Road and you
[15:57] have Union Street so so cars drive that
[15:59] way so if you get a petition from
[16:01] marsley Road and they say we really want
[16:03] speed HS and we put them there Waverly
[16:05] and Phoenix directly parallel right next
[16:09] door so then you start pushing then you
[16:11] get to mclen then you get to Parkwood
[16:13] you get to Glenwood and Rochester
[16:16] actually you know really they kind of
[16:18] they had stronger language that was
[16:20] essentially if there are more than one
[16:22] parallel Street you're denied they don't
[16:24] even want to get into it and I don't
[16:26] want to go down that road yet because
[16:27] this is a new process
[16:29] but I wanted to point out that on those
[16:31] particular streets the other streets I
[16:32] was thinking about are neighborhood such
[16:34] as wood where if you go into woodw we
[16:36] have very long straight runs of roads
[16:39] where if we put them there uh the
[16:42] particularly there's the four I don't
[16:43] remember off the time I head but there's
[16:45] four roads that go right through from
[16:47] Albany Street to the wood law preserve
[16:49] that are just long straight runs so if
[16:51] we put speed pumps on one of them are we
[16:53] forcing them or the others um gford yeah
[16:59] it's that it's that level of just making
[17:00] sure we have the understanding that we
[17:02] don't want to solve a problem on one
[17:04] street but push the problem to the
[17:06] others um so and with regards to this
[17:09] that's why you know Brian is here uh
[17:11] Canon because we've been working he's
[17:12] been using uh the data from the city
[17:15] Smart City nodes and Optical sensors and
[17:17] working with our vendors he's pulled
[17:18] some data he's actually shared it with
[17:20] myself and the police department I don't
[17:23] want to make it public yet because we're
[17:25] still working out some of the Kinks on
[17:27] what we really believe is it's feasible
[17:29] and not feasible um but that could be
[17:33] maybe the next update this one I want to
[17:34] show you that like I'd love to get the
[17:36] code moving get this kind of going with
[17:39] this procedure so that we know what
[17:41] we're doing and then we can focus on
[17:43] where the actual tables themselves are
[17:45] going um the next part of that is I say
[17:48] tables I just wanted to bring this up
[17:51] we've been doing a lot of research on
[17:53] this um and we know we're not the first
[17:55] so because we're not the first I'm not
[17:57] acting like we're inventing anything
[17:58] here we're just Implement so the table
[18:01] that we put on Dwayne Avenue in SKC was
[18:04] what is called a speed table on the left
[18:06] you go up it's flat for a little bit you
[18:09] go down there are speed humps what
[18:12] Albany has are speed humps up down so
[18:15] one is 12 ft one is 30 ft you or 26 ft
[18:19] depending so we have these two different
[18:21] so if you were to go to almany they have
[18:23] humps we used a table the tables are
[18:26] better for really high volume roads um
[18:29] one of the differences I think the main
[18:30] difference and I don't want to you know
[18:32] I know you're probably going to say
[18:33] Chris whatever you'd like to do but I
[18:34] just want to talk and tell you what it
[18:36] is is that the idea with Dwayne Avenue
[18:38] was we don't need to reduce the speed we
[18:42] just don't want you speeding so a speed
[18:45] hump you will drive and it'll have a
[18:47] sign it'll say speed hump 15 mph you got
[18:51] to slow down to 15 go over a speed HP
[18:54] and then keep driving the speed tables
[18:56] we can specifically designed and pick
[18:59] that they're meant for 30 m hour you
[19:01] drive 30 m hour you go up you go over
[19:03] you go down you go 40 m an hour it's
[19:06] going to be really uncomfortable so that
[19:08] was the idea the thought was and this is
[19:10] where said working with the PD working
[19:12] with John cucho at the time was that if
[19:14] you had a speed hump and you reduce that
[19:16] speed to 15 you would want to make it up
[19:20] you would want to go up over okay that
[19:22] was annoying I got to go fast and then
[19:24] up up over and I'm going to make it up
[19:27] um we didn't get that complaint with
[19:29] these speed tables I don't remember
[19:31] hearing that about the the the going
[19:33] fast portion of it but I did want to
[19:35] point out that the majority of locations
[19:38] are using pumps which are a little bit
[19:39] smaller more manageable than tables uh
[19:42] but I I I haven't decided which way I
[19:44] really want to go but I just wanted to
[19:46] state that is the reason if we do use
[19:48] speed humps most likely even at 25 mph
[19:52] we will have to put a advisory sign that
[19:54] the speed over that hump is 20 or 15 so
[19:58] we have to reduce the speed over the
[20:01] home table we wouldn't
[20:04] have um also we have some standard
[20:07] sheets just to let you know this is you
[20:08] know what a speed table would look like
[20:10] this is off the dot so this is what kind
[20:12] of we're working on once again we're not
[20:13] trying to reinvent the wheel similarly
[20:16] uh signage this is what I I'm going to
[20:18] be forwarding to Paul leond and Brian uh
[20:22] about this is what we're thinking is
[20:23] that like right now this is if we were
[20:25] to use a speed table we would we would
[20:29] put what the speed limit is because
[20:30] we're not going to have speed limit
[20:31] signs on every road once we go through
[20:32] this uh you know hopefully the lowering
[20:35] of the speed limit so we would say okay
[20:37] the speed limit's 25 there's a speed
[20:39] table ahead here's the speed table that
[20:42] would be the procedure of advanced
[20:44] warning and then the as you see on the
[20:46] road they use a very unique now system
[20:49] of striping where it's it's like a a 3ft
[20:52] wide stripe then you go 30 ft and it's a
[20:54] 5T wide stripe then you go 30 ft eight
[20:57] and it goes and then when you get to to
[20:58] the the speed table it's an arrow so
[21:01] it's a it's a very uh distinct amount of
[21:04] striping to get to that point so right
[21:07] now this is uh what we were calling our our signage and striping package
[21:12] that we would be working with with Brian
[21:15] and SPD to implement um if this is this
[21:18] is specific to a speed table I didn't
[21:20] have time to put one together for a
[21:22] speed hump the only difference would be
[21:24] that white speed limit sign would be a
[21:26] little yellow sign that would be saying
[21:29] probably 20 or 15 because you have to
[21:31] slow down
[21:35] so so if let's say this is with the
[21:39] speed table so if it was a speed Humper
[21:40] you're saying you would need the 25 M
[21:42] hour and addition to that you would need
[21:44] an additional sign right around the
[21:46] speed P we would for the 15 so we would
[21:49] put it's a little misleading because
[21:51] those signs aren't meant to actually be
[21:53] above above each other they're just
[21:54] meant to show one's here one's further
[21:57] back the advisory sign would be directly
[22:00] attached and beneath that speed table
[22:02] ahead sign to advise you that you have
[22:04] to go slower over it the only difference
[22:06] would be most likely is that we would
[22:08] mod probably put a speed limit sign on
[22:09] the other side just you know this is
[22:11] what the speed limit is just to remind
[22:13] you what the speed limit is but the the
[22:16] speed humps the advantage of the speed
[22:17] hump is it would probably be cheaper cuz
[22:19] they're
[22:20] smaller um but I just I'm like I said I
[22:23] try to deal in transparency and we did
[22:25] not install speed pumps on Dwayne Avenue
[22:29] we used specifically designed speed
[22:31] tables for our speed limit which was at
[22:34] the time 30 so it would work perfectly
[22:36] fine in 25 and those are the comments
[22:38] that we got were for a speed table but I
[22:40] have the entire Albany uh city of Albany
[22:43] um plet I have their procedures Albany
[22:46] has a similar procedure that they have
[22:48] adopted by the council um I pretty sure
[22:51] I could share I wasn't comfortable
[22:53] sharing it now but I'm pretty sure it's
[22:54] all public to share um uh that's what
[22:57] they developed and they're using pumps
[22:59] in their project uh in hamon hill so um
[23:03] in terms
[23:05] of we only did one that one street like
[23:08] that's that's the only feedback we got
[23:10] was from that one street so all the the
[23:13] other places that we talked about people
[23:15] felt you know giv the next one was
[23:17] supposed to be rugby and yeah we didn't
[23:18] do that we haven't gotten any of that
[23:20] feedback so we're basing everything just
[23:21] on that one right now yes I'm not only
[23:24] basing off of that but that's why I'm
[23:25] trying to use the Albany study and some
[23:27] other areas to try to pull information
[23:29] of just what people are doing um but yes
[23:31] for our local we've only used that
[23:33] system once on that road
[23:37] okay so um I have a couple of questions
[23:40] so um just on that one still so that
[23:42] does make the Assumption I think that we
[23:45] would lower the speed limit to 25 that
[23:48] this is all off that's why I put it
[23:49] there that we are going to be lowering
[23:50] the speed limit on local roads to 25 yes
[23:54] okay it's based on that okay great I'm
[23:56] happy to hear that um and and then on
[23:58] the sidewalk one I thought and this did
[24:02] happen before I was on Council but I'm
[24:04] pretty I thought that we had to have a
[24:06] petition and that that too was I thought
[24:08] the number was 75% but um cuz that that
[24:11] language isn't e here about having a
[24:14] petition I I think the city Char still
[24:17] stands up 25% right 25% so if if if
[24:22] residents on a street had a 25% of the
[24:25] residents so shouldn't that be in if
[24:27] we're putting it in um for the speed
[24:29] tables should we be putting it into
[24:31] that's you know that's a different if I
[24:34] can interject kind of a different Pro
[24:37] process you're looking at something of a
[24:40] fluid situation whereas if you're
[24:42] talking about Improvement districts that
[24:44] goes to property taxes and that's in the
[24:46] city Charter which is a total different
[24:49] oh I see okay I I I get the distinction
[24:51] okay so it's it's okay thank you
[24:54] different and I just um I do think that
[24:59] it would be great to have a special you
[25:01] know if we needed to talk about this
[25:02] more to have a special Public Safety
[25:04] Committee meeting as we did the other
[25:05] day so I just want to that as well any
[25:08] other questions or comments Mr R U Mr
[25:11] sometime back we had asked um you to
[25:13] kind of give us a CA breakdown for these
[25:15] um speed table or speed PP were you able
[25:18] to get a cost for how much one would be
[25:21] yes no I didn't put anything together
[25:23] yet the signage we would most likely be
[25:25] able to do in housee do you think FR
[25:27] we're not talking talking about too many
[25:30] signs yeah yeah we were looking at two
[25:32] four six signs posts and then the the
[25:36] black um notice that you see that those
[25:38] are delineators just so in case I just
[25:40] threw those in there each side of it
[25:41] just for plow purposes that's something
[25:43] you do you put you know this where the
[25:45] front and the back of them would be so
[25:46] the plows know where they are that's
[25:48] what those are um the speed tables
[25:50] themselves they're asphalt they're not
[25:52] very large um I I mean I can get a I can
[25:55] get a pretty accurate quot from one of
[25:57] our vendors but
[26:00] $25 to $50,000 for for one I don't think
[26:03] it would be you know too too cost
[26:04] prohibited for putting one in maybe we
[26:06] do it when we pave some of the road and
[26:08] that can be you know absorb into that
[26:10] get a little bit more um efficiencies
[26:12] out of it if we pave the road at the
[26:13] same
[26:15] time on the
[26:18] remov on the removables spe H that we
[26:21] purchased last year
[26:26] $6,000 or 60 not that's the one we put
[26:29] on way
[26:33] 16 just just follow so Mr
[26:37] W budget is end of this month is it
[26:40] possible for you to consider maybe put
[26:42] that in your Capital
[26:43] um what I have in my capital budget
[26:46] going for next year I have a meeting
[26:47] with Anthony but usually what I request
[26:49] is somewhere around a million and a half
[26:51] $25 million for General Paving which is
[26:54] above and beyond what the state gives us
[26:56] and in that we usually leave leave it
[26:58] open if we call it it used to be called
[27:00] the road paving program now we call it
[27:02] the street Improvement program and we
[27:04] leave the bond language a little bit
[27:05] more open so that this would be under
[27:08] that program so that's how we would be
[27:11] doing things is that can you can you
[27:12] create a separate line for Speed table
[27:15] speed home and allocate money on just so
[27:18] it's budgeted just so you see it yes I
[27:21] could ask anything to do that yes yeah
[27:23] it would be a smaller one yes
[27:26] something any would just be that based
[27:28] on estimates at this point in time yes right yeah oh I just want to
[27:34] logistically go through this if I can
[27:37] right now if you all want to I I
[27:40] provided uh the draft ordinance to you
[27:42] which is incorporated slide number two
[27:44] if you want to go with that you would
[27:46] have to have a public hearing now the
[27:48] public hearing would either be you know
[27:50] the same night you're doing the public
[27:51] hearing for the budget in mid October or
[27:55] putting it out for the second meeting in in o October and then regarding the language and then the uh the speed
[28:03] table request procedure we we do is have
[28:07] you have your public hearing vote on the
[28:09] ordinance that same night you could do a
[28:10] resolution end endorsing the policy
[28:13] whatever you may agree to because
[28:16] section two of that ordinance will will
[28:18] uh uh has the U process where you're uh
[28:23] agreeing or inputting on the uh on the
[28:27] uh on that guidance issued by the city
[28:30] engineer so
[28:32] logistically you know for thinking ahead
[28:34] here you it's up to what you all want to
[28:37] do public hearing is because of the way
[28:40] the schedule is it's not going to be
[28:42] until the the public hearing for the the
[28:46] budget you may want to think about
[28:48] putting it off to the end of October
[28:50] because you'll have a full plate I'm
[28:53] sure on that night for the budget so we
[28:56] could do you know if you want this
[28:58] language we could do you know pass out
[29:00] tonight the resolution calling for a
[29:02] public hearing but the public hearing
[29:04] would be at that second meeting in in uh
[29:10] October so yeah I was just wondering
[29:12] about it's like I know that you're
[29:13] saying that we have a pretty limited
[29:15] data set just because we only use that
[29:16] um doing a but don't we have some data
[29:19] from like our Smart City stuff and some
[29:22] go to some of the other uh kind of
[29:24] traffic sets we've been doing collecting
[29:26] data around like uh Street here is that
[29:29] is any of that data would that be
[29:30] applicable to this or we can say okay
[29:32] this looks like more trouble we have
[29:34] data but that's what I was is uh as
[29:36] Brian myself and the and the police
[29:38] department are using that data to
[29:41] identify areas that would be best
[29:43] probable areas to put these systems but
[29:45] it wouldn't help us with them because we
[29:47] don't have anything like this out there
[29:49] Dwayne Avenue was very unique uh and
[29:52] like I said we just used yes it was that
[29:53] one case study to to move forward and we can identify it was
[29:58] uh but no I I don't think I don't think
[30:01] the data that we have today we could use
[30:03] to justify you know that success in one
[30:06] of these cuz we don't have anything out
[30:07] there this these are these are different
[30:09] kinds of systems and these are
[30:12] they're they're very unique to have on a
[30:15] public rope you know you can used to
[30:16] them in parking lots and things like
[30:17] that I don't think we can make that
[30:19] Brian do you disagree with that I
[30:23] no Miss Patrick but we do have the
[30:26] example of the city of Aly and the debt
[30:29] and all that they've been doing that we
[30:31] could look to correct and I work with I
[30:33] work with uh with them quite a bit and I
[30:35] also work like I said we're working with
[30:37] the cap region Transportation Council
[30:39] and we can work with them I'm not I'm
[30:42] not
[30:43] too I am not too concerned about if they
[30:45] will be effective it's just where they
[30:48] will be effective and getting the
[30:50] policies and procedures right so that
[30:52] you know we're we're the one kind of
[30:54] steering with the implementation of them
[30:56] and how they're placed because I think
[30:58] it was a good study I really do think
[30:59] that Dwayne having the study was a good
[31:01] study and we got good results and Albany
[31:03] you know they clearly saw it was good
[31:04] and they're making the investment and
[31:06] you're seeing this as to combat it um
[31:09] and we like I said we're using the data
[31:10] to pull it together we're looking at
[31:13] it's it's a it's a tool it's not the
[31:15] tool but it is a tool just like last
[31:17] presentation I said these are all the
[31:18] tools that we have and I I think that we
[31:21] could start looking at the new ones that
[31:22] I didn't bother talking about speed
[31:25] cameras or bus cameras or things like
[31:27] that but all those are are useful tools
[31:29] when used
[31:30] correctly um well just um so with the
[31:34] 1.5 million for Paving or I think you
[31:38] said um with that also I mean I guess I
[31:41] just want to make sure that we have
[31:42] enough money um or at least we have the
[31:44] ability to discuss whether we're going
[31:46] to have enough money um if we were going
[31:48] to do the cameras or um you know any
[31:52] other kinds of traffic caling
[31:54] measures um I I don't know how the it
[31:58] like traffic cameras and that I don't
[32:00] know how that would work um with regards
[32:02] to Paving money um but I mean so
[32:05] somewhere in the budget I mean it
[32:07] doesn't have to be in the paving line
[32:08] but would You' like to see if we could
[32:10] put something yes okay
[32:12] please
[32:14] for so I just want to be clear are we
[32:16] going to be doing are we going to be um
[32:18] doing Runway road before this you moving
[32:23] forward with this is there going to be a pilot over there as well I know that
[32:26] was our intention is it still going to
[32:28] happen this year at all we can do it at
[32:31] all yes this year will be difficult Mr
[32:35] so the the Smart City things that we've
[32:38] implemented th far and it's kind of
[32:40] similar question but just from a
[32:41] different position I'm kind of thinking
[32:43] about what Mr Patrick was saying can is any of that technology is it
[32:48] applicable for us to use the data and or
[32:52] maybe leverage some of that existing
[32:54] technology to use as far as like maybe
[32:57] op of traffic Camas I'm just trying to
[32:59] think like is there another application
[33:01] to some of that smart City's money
[33:02] that's been spent and can we leverage
[33:05] that to help
[33:08] within I I don't believe so at time if
[33:11] the cameras if the cameras could detect
[33:15] the plates which they may be able to and
[33:16] detect the speed we're not legally
[33:18] allowed to ticket or to send out notices
[33:21] I don't believe I mean that was like
[33:23] what we're talking about is we could
[33:24] buying the camera is just the material
[33:28] item but the the step that we need to
[33:30] complete is the legislation request it's
[33:32] kind of similar what we're doing here is
[33:34] that I know that it just feels
[33:35] completely bureaucratic and like we're
[33:37] not doing anything but working with uh
[33:39] the legal office you know this is what
[33:41] we're saying is that if we can really
[33:42] get the code changed the policy form in
[33:45] place and some of these details worked
[33:47] out it'll set us up so that next year
[33:50] because you know we're going into
[33:51] October that next year we're we're ready
[33:53] we're planning in the winter we're
[33:55] bidding in the spring and next year we
[33:57] kind of have a plan of what we're what
[33:59] our our attack is so that we're hitting
[34:01] the ground running um I it's very
[34:04] similar what we're talking about with
[34:05] the speed limit reduction um you know so
[34:08] I talked with the the crtc today and
[34:10] Brian and you know what they're doing is
[34:13] they're consultant Brian sending over
[34:15] our our signage plan they are doing some
[34:17] traffic surveys and just to reiterate
[34:19] you know that's why what this says 25 M
[34:22] hour Mr re I have
[34:25] no uh hesitation or thought about local
[34:29] roads going to 25 it's the half dozen to
[34:32] a dozen roads that are in that that area
[34:35] so they asked what do we want to look
[34:37] like you know and it's Broadway what is
[34:40] Broadway you know Broadway is the one
[34:42] street that goes this way I didn't know
[34:43] knowing the geography of the city like I
[34:45] know we all do Union Eastern State
[34:48] Albany right they all go that way
[34:50] Broadway is the only street that goes
[34:52] that all right so I just like can you
[34:54] look at it can you give me your opinion
[34:56] on what Broadway is same thing where
[34:57] it's splits the Gilder you know we're
[34:59] looking at it from a traffic from a
[35:01] density you know uh a little bit of
[35:03] eerie Boulevard because the use of eerie
[35:05] Boulevard is changing and maybe the
[35:06] speeds aren't high enough anyways um so
[35:09] there's certain streets you're going to
[35:10] be looking at but 95% of the roads we
[35:13] know the recommendations going to be
[35:14] their local they're 25 and we're also
[35:16] stating if you look in your procedure
[35:18] which I didn't think that you know
[35:19] you've had time to read that whole thing
[35:21] is that part of that is saying we really
[35:23] only want to put these traffic control
[35:25] devices on local roads
[35:28] we we I had that in the presentation
[35:30] slide last time which was the the
[35:32] emergency routes the arterials we really
[35:34] you don't want to go driving down State
[35:35] Street and then all of a sudden oh my
[35:36] God there's a be that's not that's not
[35:38] appropriate you know we want to keep you
[35:40] we actually want traffic to go onto
[35:42] State Street we want traffic to go on
[35:45] the Union Street you know that's one of
[35:46] those things like mclen Street for
[35:48] example I know that it's primarily
[35:50] residential but you want the traffic on
[35:53] mclen street that is the main route you
[35:56] don't want the traffic to go on on to
[35:58] Parkwood or Arsley you want and then you
[36:01] know the residents that are on those
[36:04] streets it's it is what it is that is a more of a collector row um so you just
[36:10] have to you try that's the that's the
[36:12] fear is if you start doing you start
[36:13] getting people on of that um but it's a balance that we're trying to do
[36:18] and I think that's an actual a really
[36:20] good Segway I have one question right
[36:22] two was related to the minimum distance
[36:24] for K streets that 500 ft um and the
[36:27] second part is can you talk about that
[36:29] makeup speed so the one question is 500
[36:32] ft would most of our local roads like um
[36:35] meet that condition and the second is
[36:38] does the length of the street have
[36:39] anything to do or does it affect the
[36:41] that makeup speed we're talking about
[36:43] with putting in
[36:44] PKS brief I know what you're talking
[36:51] about so you're talking about streets of
[36:54] less than 500
[36:56] and uh the first question was um the 500
[36:59] ft didn't have a minimum distance of 500
[37:01] ft between existing stop signs or
[37:03] traffic signals it it's just trying to
[37:06] put something where it's a short block
[37:08] you don't have something in the middle
[37:10] 500 ft we're looking at um I believe the original one that we're looking at
[37:14] was closer to 800 ft so we we brought it
[37:17] down a little bit um and that is one of
[37:20] the issues that we're going to see is
[37:22] that's where this is really going to get
[37:23] a little complex is that if we do this
[37:25] on a longer Road
[37:28] there's quite a few that we're going to
[37:29] start installing and the road's going to
[37:31] you know one of there's a road in colon
[37:33] that was one of the first to do this by
[37:34] a school um I can't remember it's right
[37:37] off of uh San Creek Road I believe but
[37:39] they have speed speed humps all the way
[37:42] down um and they have to be spaced
[37:44] appropriately so you so you know what
[37:46] you're what to expect as you go but I
[37:50] I'll look in but the idea is is that you
[37:54] just don't have one on a very short
[37:55] block
[37:57] uh second question was in the actual
[38:00] PowerPoint I think it was the first
[38:02] actual Slide the article two traffic
[38:03] regulations I know we've talked a lot
[38:05] about stop signs and LED lights do you
[38:07] think that'd be an appropriate Landing
[38:09] space for that to be included I know
[38:11] you've talked about like the true
[38:13] definition of traffic calling measures
[38:15] but I think in my head and
[38:16] conceptionally of a lot of members in
[38:17] the community they would see those as
[38:19] them also um so would you think that is
[38:21] appropriate to put or add to that or
[38:23] does it already capture that yeah Mr
[38:25] chairman if I can yeah I I think that's
[38:27] already captured it's matters under the
[38:29] city Authority crosswalk safety zone
[38:32] traffic Lanes traffic control uh signals
[38:35] Etc so those types of issues I think are
[38:38] addressed earlier also referring to the
[38:41] uh section uh 1603 of the vehicle and
[38:44] traffic law so those issues regarding
[38:48] stop signs are are are addressed earlier
[38:51] I think what the you know Mr wallan was
[38:53] concerned about is because we're getting
[38:55] into a realm of Taff traffic cming
[38:58] devices which are a
[39:00] different uh entity than a stop sign
[39:04] speed hum speed speed traffic cables Etc
[39:09] tra um um school zone cameras
[39:13] Etc that wasn't in the code and that's
[39:16] why through the city engineer was
[39:18] looking for that new section to create
[39:20] that because it just didn't Envision
[39:23] those types of devices but the more
[39:25] traditional devices the stops Etc that's
[39:28] already in the in the engineers
[39:30] Authority we did something similar to
[39:32] this 8 years ago where our parking
[39:36] sections of the code which is also under
[39:37] C the engineer Authority did not
[39:39] anticipate apps or kiosks the the
[39:43] parking code only made reference to
[39:45] meters and coins and tokens so we hadn't
[39:48] issued a token in you know about 15
[39:51] years 20 years at that point so we we
[39:53] updated the code so this is similar here
[39:55] that the traffic caling measures these
[39:57] are even phrases that weren't said when
[39:59] the when traffic caling
[40:02] was I think I just want to say that I
[40:04] think one of um Mr Wall's suggestions
[40:07] was um adding and similar devices at the
[40:10] end of that first sentence so that might
[40:12] cover some but also you know but not
[40:15] limited to I think that's broadens it
[40:18] you know in other words these are
[40:19] examples right so as new types of
[40:22] devices are developed you can always put
[40:25] that in there so it's not limited it's
[40:26] just those are the types of devices that
[40:28] will go into next SE yeah I think often
[40:31] times that specifically with like job
[40:32] applications they put the as or other
[40:34] duties as assigned so I think to those
[40:36] around the table and I imagine to those
[40:38] that you work closely with this is
[40:39] common language but just breaking it out
[40:41] for some people who are Tuning In For
[40:43] the First Time hello then it also
[40:44] includes other areas as well um so
[40:47] unless there are any other questions or
[40:49] comments um I think Mr Brian you asking
[40:52] for us to public hearing public hearing
[40:54] so we need to move for a public hearing
[40:57] the only yes Mr when Mr was speaking you
[41:00] were asking about um doing this and
[41:03] having the passing the resolution on
[41:05] suay I'm you know I'm a little reluctant
[41:07] to do that you can do that it's an
[41:09] option you can it's an option people
[41:10] come to speak at public hearing and if
[41:12] people come we don't want to say okay no
[41:15] going move ahead so I preer to stretch
[41:18] that out and what let me just clarify I
[41:21] mean when you pass the ordinance when
[41:23] you pass the ordinance creating that new
[41:25] section it's not in the public hearing
[41:26] of doing the that on the same matter
[41:28] what I'm saying is that when you pass
[41:31] the or after you have the public hearing
[41:33] the me transpires you goes to committee
[41:37] one more time at that point you'll be
[41:39] looking at the the the the policy and
[41:42] guidance and then you'll be looking at
[41:44] the Ordinance one last time and then you
[41:46] can pass both out at the next time and
[41:48] what I'm saying is the resolution for
[41:50] the uh the uh the guidance can go at the
[41:54] same time and you pass the ordinance
[41:57] Point clarification thank
[42:00] you unless there any other questions or
[42:02] further um
[42:04] breakdowns so so we're moving to call
[42:07] for public hearing to amend chap section
[42:10] 24811 and two CH 228
[42:15] 19 yes so a second second all in favor I
[42:21] uh then next are you enjoying the
[42:23] traffic safety presentations I am okay
[42:26] just this is a new thing for me to do a
[42:28] presentation with thank you very much
[42:31] thank
[42:33] you just app pointed for clarification
[42:35] that will be the the second meeting in
[42:38] October yes we're going to call for the
[42:40] public hearing but we're not going to
[42:41] have it until the second meeting in
[42:43] October yes okay so the second item on
[42:47] the agenda tonight is the discussion to
[42:49] amend city code chapter2 um last week
[42:52] we're able to have a special meeting
[42:54] which I thought was very informational
[42:56] and allowed us to have a very detailed
[42:58] conversation uh about the matter so just
[43:01] wanting to snapshot uh what was
[43:03] discussed I broke it down into three
[43:04] areas enforcement law and Council so the
[43:07] enforcement it was identified that noise
[43:09] complaints are a lower lower priority
[43:11] calls which delay response times and are
[43:13] restricted to Staffing constraints
[43:16] however there will be future discussions
[43:17] to expand uh to incorporate drones as
[43:20] Force responders pending statutory uh
[43:23] obligations uh areas of focus are going
[43:25] to be communicating noise complaint
[43:26] warnings during ship change uh
[43:28] increasing education to inform offenders
[43:31] of potential fines and a potential
[43:33] permit process uh three seeking Clarity
[43:36] on appearance tickets uh and four
[43:39] granting officers the ability to seize
[43:40] or remove noise reproducing
[43:43] equipment uh the next area which was law
[43:45] identified that plea Agreements are
[43:47] commonly sought out to limit the volume
[43:49] of Trials and increasing uh fee
[43:52] collection and justifying attempts to
[43:54] enforce penalties in full will require
[43:57] or was recommended uh to increase
[43:59] penalties uh to support more frequent
[44:01] Court appearances and then the areas are
[44:04] focused in that area was uh how many
[44:06] fines were collected in 2024 uh what
[44:09] information is needed to charge to file
[44:11] charges or penalties uh advising
[44:14] religious or cultural ceremonies of
[44:15] proper conduct or potential permit
[44:17] processes again and then evaluating
[44:20] penalties against
[44:21] installers uh the next area which was
[44:24] the council or I think us uh was their
[44:27] appear to be an equal consensus with
[44:29] raising and keeping penalties at their
[44:30] current level uh the areas of focus um
[44:33] identifyed reviewing code and penalties
[44:35] against Vehicles pets construction and
[44:38] Firework noise offenders uh posting
[44:41] signage to monitor noise and parks with
[44:43] non-emerging police numbers and then
[44:46] updating chapter 183 which is a noise
[44:49] ordinance to raise point value for noise
[44:52] complaints and then overall I just
[44:54] wanted to thank my colleagues the mayor
[44:56] commissioner nine assistant chief
[44:58] antonovich and Miss barash for
[44:59] acknowledging this greater issue or
[45:01] growing issue and placing an important
[45:03] emphasis on educating our community and
[45:06] then in uh wanted to just capture
[45:09] everything next steps were to identify
[45:11] chapter 183 uh to review the process for
[45:14] civilian complaints and their needed
[45:17] documentation and evaluating the penalty
[45:19] schedule in addition to evaluating a
[45:22] potential permit process moving forward
[45:25] so at this time I want to ask if there
[45:26] are any Mis or any further comments
[45:29] about the event from the
[45:31] colleagues the only thing you said
[45:33] chapter 183 was a noise when
[45:36] it okay just want to thank you for
[45:39] people listening other than that I think
[45:41] that you've captured what we had a and
[45:43] you know you know mind we had a we had a length of discussion an hour and a an
[45:48] hour and a half which I think is very
[45:49] beneficial but it just goes to what Mr
[45:52] wall was actually saying why it's
[45:53] important that we have those kind of
[45:54] committee meetings outside of um the
[45:57] meeting here so we can really dive in
[45:58] and and have uh other individuals who
[46:01] need to be there to give us information
[46:02] there so thank you for pulling that
[46:04] together
[46:05] absolutely um I was just wondering um
[46:07] did you mention the discussion that we
[46:10] had and you might have um about how do
[46:13] we get people to change their behavior
[46:14] and be more respectful of their
[46:16] neighbors in terms of that education
[46:18] piece yeah I wrote that into like the
[46:20] great like educating our community um
[46:23] but definitely I appreciate um making
[46:25] sure that that is also capture that's a
[46:27] huge as
[46:29] well yeah Jan just add to that very good
[46:32] and detail um description I had ask um
[46:36] cooperation Council to look into
[46:38] legislation in terms of loudspeaker and
[46:41] the exhaust if we can able to legislate
[46:43] that locally here is a state law but um
[46:46] our Corporation Council um is looking
[46:49] into that if we can do something local
[46:51] and also drone as a force responder if
[46:53] we need legislation for that if we're
[46:56] going to use the Drone as First
[46:57] Responders so that we put some
[47:00] protection to our Police Department
[47:02] whenever that is um used as a for
[47:05] respond the same thing also to AC you
[47:08] mention forit legislation on and forit
[47:11] application as we move forward to this
[47:15] section thank you any other questions or
[47:17] comments Mr Patrick I don't know I mean
[47:19] I know I uh sent late uh my suggestions
[47:22] based on our meeting on Friday and I
[47:24] didn't know if others did but can we
[47:26] trying to I mean I don't know I guess
[47:28] the next step we have to continue this
[47:29] discussion so could we um maybe have if other council members and and Mr
[47:35] Williams's comments that he just made it
[47:37] would be great to have all those in
[47:39] front of us and to help us prepare for
[47:40] when we do have the next discussion or I
[47:43] would say I took into consideration so
[47:45] these were not all inclusive like my
[47:46] thought it was a capture of the event
[47:48] and then what I received so far okay then mrb had your hand raised again
[47:55] yeah I'm regarding traffic well we look
[47:57] under there um there is
[48:00] a currently uh in the code a section on
[48:03] uh noisy vehicles um that covers a
[48:07] number of uh
[48:09] situations um and that uh
[48:13] so these vehicles is that's looking
[48:16] under
[48:18] 1824 uh we can also look that look at
[48:21] that in conjunction with anything the
[48:23] vehicle and traffic law that also deals
[48:25] with loud mufflers C for for violations
[48:28] of the state vehicle and traffic law and
[48:32] regarding the issue as to drones and
[48:34] that one way we have to be very careful
[48:37] about that um invasion of privacy Etc um
[48:41] because drones um have to be used in a
[48:44] very circumstan type Manner and um um so
[48:52] that will require research but it's
[48:57] you could be peering into areas that
[49:00] you're not supposed to be peering into
[49:02] because it's one thing to have cameras
[49:05] on a in a public way this thing is going
[49:07] into private areas one must be very very
[49:11] careful and uh also technology wise do
[49:14] we have the technology to do that do the
[49:16] officers have the ability to capture
[49:18] sounds off of that and also regarding
[49:22] when they're responding to the scene do
[49:24] their body cameras pick up those types
[49:27] of what as they're approaching the scene
[49:30] is it is it picking up the the the sound
[49:34] and in in realistic terms and whether
[49:37] that can also be downloaded to be used
[49:39] at a at a court proed so those are
[49:42] obviously legal and technical issues
[49:44] that have to be
[49:46] addressed and actually some of those a
[49:49] couple the Drone specifically I brought
[49:51] up because I had concerns about what
[49:53] people would be thinking about drones
[49:54] flying over their houses because they're
[49:56] having a party um but uh commissioner
[49:59] Divine was here so we did ask them to
[50:01] conern you know to bring information
[50:03] about whe whether or not that's
[50:05] something that we could do legally right
[50:08] um so and you're right it does has have
[50:10] about the noise in the ordinance already
[50:13] but we the um the modified Mufflers was
[50:16] one of the things which is actually in
[50:17] here but uh that was there was that one
[50:19] and there was one other thing about the
[50:21] cars okay well I mean there may be
[50:23] something in the VNT law the vehicle and
[50:25] traffic law that
[50:27] address that as well so we can we can
[50:30] take a look at that so for the next
[50:32] meeting I think it would be helpful to
[50:34] have that if there's anything within the
[50:36] vehicle and traffic wall to have the
[50:38] information provided for us as well
[50:40] sounds good anyway as far just really
[50:43] quick and and you guys might have
[50:44] covered this point I'm just wondering
[50:46] about when we're you know responding um
[50:49] and time SOB brien's Point there's
[50:52] different you know are all the you know
[50:55] body cans
[50:57] are they all you know equipped to
[50:59] measure whatever sound deciel that we're
[51:01] at this cuz right now I know that you
[51:04] know from my understanding it they
[51:06] shaking their head no so what they told
[51:08] us at the meeting was there's no there's
[51:11] they don't have any Deo meetings right
[51:13] now it's whether you can hear within 50
[51:15] ft so if you have really good
[51:17] hearing or not so great hearing uh so
[51:20] that's what the assistant chief right an
[51:23] noich um said that within 50 ft is the
[51:26] gu right now you can hear it within 50
[51:28] ft and it's to
[51:33] L sounds like you guys were addressing
[51:35] some of the um cultural celebrations and
[51:38] things like that I just think know
[51:40] already on I just kind of highlight that
[51:42] make sure that because leaving things up
[51:45] to a certain level of discretion can
[51:48] cause you can um unintentionally but
[51:52] perpetually you know some biases and
[51:54] it's a tough thing to talk about but
[51:55] should probably just make sure that
[51:57] that's at the front of our mind will
[51:58] around this
[51:59] conversation and then to that point I
[52:01] think just trying to evaluate areas in
[52:03] which the code can be responsive to our
[52:05] changing Society while still being
[52:08] adherent to like emerging technology and
[52:10] its um uh and his impact on people's
[52:13] lives IE the drones um but then also how
[52:16] do we use technology that's coming in um
[52:19] to leverage to really reduce or improve
[52:23] at saying the nances quality of life for our residents so I think this why
[52:27] there was a really big emphasis on just
[52:29] people being aware of the impact of
[52:32] their actions um but then also
[52:34] understanding there's no perfect
[52:35] solution so the thing we kind of started
[52:37] off with was this issue noise is not
[52:40] something that's specific or unique
[52:43] to but I do appreciate how our city is
[52:45] very uh open and acknowledging of these
[52:47] types of issues and seeks to address
[52:49] them head on so I think with the
[52:51] conversations continuing I think we'll
[52:53] continue to position ourselves to
[52:55] address this m
[52:57] um so there any other questions or
[52:59] comments Mr yeah just as a followup
[53:02] regarding the vehicle and traffic law uh
[53:04] under
[53:10] 182-pound traffic law we'll discuss that
[53:13] in detail next time that section so um
[53:17] everybody knows what that entails um and
[53:20] the uh the uh
[53:24] 1825 mentions that section regarding
[53:26] automobiles but it also goes through a
[53:28] whole list of criteria which is but not
[53:31] limited to so it's it's the whole it's
[53:34] is it's broad dealing with that with
[53:37] that issue it's it's included but not
[53:39] limited to it's a whole different
[53:41] factors the time of the day whether it's
[53:44] noise the duration of the noise so um
[53:47] those are all factors that our current
[53:49] ordinance already covers but we will
[53:51] take a look at that and uh report back
[53:54] regarding vehicle traffic law uh
[53:57] incorporation which is good that that
[53:59] it's already that law is already
[54:01] Incorporated by reference into our our
[54:03] stat our ordinance so that's good
[54:06] andrick is the
[54:09] OT um that we discussed instead of the
[54:12] decel the 80 de reading is that in here
[54:15] it is in here okay it's 80
[54:19] D no I know but um basically it was
[54:22] explained to us that rather than using
[54:24] that they're using the 50 50 foot
[54:28] measure because we don't want the
[54:30] device right but yeah so not I mean I
[54:35] think we we're going to go to our me
[54:37] other meeting and really discuss it more
[54:38] but actually in our in our code it
[54:40] really refers to 25
[54:42] ft what uh assistant chief anovich I
[54:45] think he was talking about the vehicle
[54:47] and traffic about another ordinance
[54:50] because in here it says 25 clearly
[54:52] 25 so that's um on page no I got see
[54:59] that any other questions or comments
[55:02] hearing
[55:03] on so moving on to the last agenda item
[55:06] is the appointment of Anthony Jud to the
[55:08] civilian police review
[55:12] board
[55:17] uh hello um Anthony Jud has shown
[55:21] interest in participating in the
[55:22] civilian police review board his resume
[55:25] was brought forth by deine and Carl
[55:28] brought it forth to the mayor um the
[55:30] mayor did meet with him on Wednesday
[55:32] August 28th and was want to proceed and
[55:36] appointing him to the
[55:39] board yeah so thank you for that so
[55:43] um yes okay so so Mr he probably met him
[55:47] he's been here several times maybe you
[55:49] know he was CU one of the two gentlemen
[55:51] that have been coming here to the
[55:52] meetings um pretty consistently and uh
[55:55] showed an and they actually forwarded
[55:57] their resume and in Miss paler and Mr
[56:01] Williams just trying to make sure it got
[56:02] pushed through the process so there was
[56:04] two of them that actually were
[56:05] interested and so one of them the mayor
[56:08] met with yes and chose um Mr Jud yes
[56:14] there you have questions
[56:16] comments motion second second all those
[56:19] in favor all are there any items that
[56:21] call Public Safety hearing have motion
[56:24] so move so move second CL in favor I we
[56:29] are I would like to call the finance
[56:31] committee to order on the fourth item is
[56:33] the 20 24 2025 final annual action plan
[56:39] allocation Vice Miss
[56:42] car good evening City Council Members
[56:44] I'll bring before you a updated revised
[56:49] um version of our 20124 25 annual action
[56:52] plan after another review with HUD we
[56:54] had to make some slight adjustments to
[56:56] our plan and make sure that we were
[56:58] aligned with our regulatory caps that we
[57:00] need to adhere to so I listed them out
[57:03] um we had to lessen our home admin by $
[57:09] 7,325 192 we had to increase our Habitat
[57:14] Humanity funding project by
[57:17] $7,295 Habitat for Humanity home is a
[57:21] Cho and we have to have a minimum of 15%
[57:24] of our allocation go to towards Cho and
[57:27] it's the one home project that had room
[57:29] um to still increase and we moved two
[57:31] cdbg projects and recategorize them in
[57:34] our nrsa area which is our neighborhood
[57:36] revitalization strategy area and those
[57:39] include the Empowerment Center and boys
[57:41] and girls club we move them because if
[57:44] they are in the nrsa area they don't
[57:46] have there is no cap so it allowed us to
[57:49] continue to funding with the other items
[57:51] under just regular cdbg which has a 7.5%
[57:55] um allocation cap
[57:57] the ACT today is um for city council to
[58:00] accept the new the revised annual action
[58:02] plan um with the Amendments
[58:06] indicated questions
[58:09] comments sitting now may have a motion
[58:12] to move this
[58:15] forward all in favor I thank you thank you the next item is the
[58:21] police department fees and revenue
[58:24] proposal assistant chief
[58:27] R so back last year when we were going
[58:31] over the budget um one of the items take
[58:34] away from the budget was um looking at
[58:36] our fees some of our fees are outdated
[58:39] and this is a step that I have taken
[58:41] after the budget into this year to kind
[58:43] of look at it and um here we are today
[58:46] with the police department presenting
[58:48] their fee for
[58:51] full assistant chief it's all yours
[58:53] thank you very much uh so we going start
[58:55] off there's four different areas where I
[58:57] think the fees can be increased uh to
[58:59] start
[59:02] with we will go to the false alarm fees
[59:05] uh right now we'll get into what the
[59:08] actual false alarm fees are in the next
[59:09] slide but a false alarm is charged after
[59:12] four free false alarms within the city
[59:14] so if there's basically we go to
[59:16] someone's business or residence four
[59:19] different times uh for false alarm for
[59:22] faulty wiring or um the failure to
[59:26] maintain their alarm system we go there
[59:29] four times for free and the fifth one we
[59:31] charge $25 the second one we charge 50
[59:35] third 75 and 12 125 Beyond from there so
[59:39] in 2022 we took in a total of
[59:42] 13,750 and 23 the 36,000 and so far Year
[59:45] date we taken in
[59:47] 35,000 it's section 124 is actually the
[59:51] city code gives us what the persistant
[59:53] false alarm actually is um the yellow is
[59:56] what I propose as a change um one word
[59:59] goes from the two from the four to the
[1:00:01] two U this was last adopted in 1996 as
[1:00:06] well and the penalties for the offense
[1:00:10] are would stay exactly the same uh
[1:00:12] because the the code
[1:00:16] itself uh determines what a persistent
[1:00:18] false alarm actually is so that the
[1:00:22] penalties would stay the same so all in
[1:00:25] all if we move the free alarms from 4
[1:00:28] down to 2 uh the city could expect
[1:00:29] between 20 to $25,000 a year additional
[1:00:32] Revenue the reason why as it's important
[1:00:36] that we do this is uh people do have the
[1:00:38] options to get these fixed so we're not
[1:00:40] spending all of our time there most
[1:00:42] these police calls involved all of them
[1:00:44] should by protocol have two officers go
[1:00:46] so sometimes it's two cars sometimes
[1:00:47] it's one car with two officers but
[1:00:49] whenever there's an alarm um it's a
[1:00:51] higher priority call than actually it's
[1:00:52] like the loud music calls um it's we
[1:00:55] take every seriously like it's a Burg in
[1:00:57] progress or something serious going on
[1:00:59] so we go lights and Sirens there stuff
[1:01:02] happens um it increases the danger for
[1:01:04] the officers and other people in the
[1:01:05] city so by doing this um hopefully it
[1:01:08] gets people motivated to get their
[1:01:10] alarms fixed and also if they don't it
[1:01:13] will generate more revenue for the
[1:01:16] city can we should we ask questions
[1:01:18] during the presentation it's up to
[1:01:22] have ask question as we go for
[1:01:26] so go ahead please okay my question is um if you could just go
[1:01:31] back to the uh slide where it's talking
[1:01:33] about yeah the
[1:01:35] fees I they're they're low those fees
[1:01:39] are low um I'm only building on the
[1:01:42] discussion that we had the other evening
[1:01:44] about the noise compliance yes um so
[1:01:48] I'm I'm just wondering if other people
[1:01:51] feel like those are really low and
[1:01:52] should be increasing them or thinking
[1:01:54] about increasing them so so I will say
[1:01:56] that I dropped the ball on this and on
[1:01:58] other ones I have uh recommendations or
[1:02:01] information from other towns and cities
[1:02:03] this one I did not look up what
[1:02:05] other well we did look at it because
[1:02:07] we're actually dropping the amount of
[1:02:08] free calls from four to two so there
[1:02:10] will be more Revenue in the back end so
[1:02:14] yes we can increase it but at the same
[1:02:15] time we're expanding no I I by the way
[1:02:18] we are still getting in Revenue
[1:02:20] additional revenue of um on the highend
[1:02:22] of $25,000 and that's the best estimate
[1:02:25] okay
[1:02:26] great go ahead so yeah I I I would
[1:02:30] agree Patrick I think what she's
[1:02:32] refering to is that that increasing
[1:02:34] those fees I would say increasing the
[1:02:36] fees as well as um you know reducing the
[1:02:40] amount of quotequote food CS I think
[1:02:42] that um but I guess my question is now
[1:02:44] this one includes on like fire alarms at
[1:02:47] a business this is not fire alarms I
[1:02:49] know the fire department is working on
[1:02:50] something else this is just the false
[1:02:52] alarms Security Alarms okay okay okay
[1:02:56] they I believe that they are working on
[1:02:57] something as okay
[1:02:59] good oh sorry how successful are we at
[1:03:03] collecting the Fe that we currently have
[1:03:05] know so I don't have the Law Department
[1:03:07] actually does that for us so I don't
[1:03:09] know I don't know off hand okay I don't
[1:03:12] know you can go back to current um data
[1:03:14] this is what we have in previous years
[1:03:17] it's currently yeah but that doesn't
[1:03:19] tell me how many calls there were for
[1:03:21] the
[1:03:22] income so I can get you that as well
[1:03:25] liutenant on midnights he puts
[1:03:27] everything together and sends out our
[1:03:28] Law Department I believe it is bi-weekly
[1:03:31] and I can have I can figure out how many
[1:03:36] times I guess oh I guess lot the farm
[1:03:38] actually but they but they bill out from
[1:03:40] there so I can follow up with the answer
[1:03:42] to that great so were we looking for a
[1:03:45] list of the calls no not at all so in
[1:03:48] 2022 let's use that for an example we
[1:03:50] know the income was
[1:03:52] 13,750 we do not know what the income
[1:03:56] generated from how many calls there were
[1:03:57] how many false alarms there were because
[1:04:00] we don't we just don't know the number
[1:04:01] so how many false alarms it take to
[1:04:03] generate that amount of money in that
[1:04:05] year and and also did every false alarm
[1:04:10] actually get paid did people actually
[1:04:12] pay after when they were built so there
[1:04:15] may have been like let's say we build I
[1:04:17] don't
[1:04:18] know 100 or something and then did did
[1:04:21] all 100 people pay or did only 75 people
[1:04:24] pay so we don't know know that data so
[1:04:26] it would be helpful when we we see the
[1:04:29] income we just don't know what generated
[1:04:30] the
[1:04:31] income when we were going through this
[1:04:33] you had a list of all the
[1:04:35] calls a snapshot of some of the calls is
[1:04:37] that you can use that very same report
[1:04:39] to generate um previous years and to see
[1:04:43] um to attach the collection to that yes
[1:04:45] so I should be able to go back I know I
[1:04:47] have 24 and 23 I don't know previously
[1:04:50] the I questioned the um why there's such
[1:04:55] a different in there and I believe it
[1:04:57] was how we provided data to the live arm
[1:05:00] and when they actually build them out so
[1:05:01] I think there was a change in process
[1:05:03] along the way but I can look to see if I
[1:05:07] can get a number of how many people
[1:05:09] actually build and how many PID I can
[1:05:10] see if we can get a
[1:05:14] Redemption no sorry so had two points
[1:05:18] definitely to miss Patrick's Point I
[1:05:19] would like to see the fees increased cuz
[1:05:21] one of my thoughts is what is the
[1:05:23] opportunity cost or what is the cost of
[1:05:25] the office responding to that and we
[1:05:27] were going to another incident
[1:05:28] throughout the city um but I also want
[1:05:30] to kind of caution us that finding that
[1:05:32] right balance so we to see what your um
[1:05:34] research provides because although fees
[1:05:37] are Revenue generating like you go too
[1:05:39] high and then you can kind of zero out
[1:05:41] that line so definitely it does require
[1:05:43] bit of finesse
[1:05:46] absolutely what what is what is the
[1:05:48] suggestion to
[1:05:50] raise I would like to see what other I
[1:05:52] don't have I don't have a suggestion
[1:05:56] I just want to say that when we consider
[1:05:59] as we're talking about these fees these
[1:06:00] aren't the only fees we're talking about
[1:06:01] no I I want to make sure that you know
[1:06:04] we just aren't like feing people pict
[1:06:07] yes we have to definitely look at the
[1:06:09] big
[1:06:10] picture so we can come back to this SL
[1:06:13] in terms of the
[1:06:15] fees the next one is a much smaller one
[1:06:18] it's a records
[1:06:20] fee we currently charge $20 for somebody
[1:06:24] who asks for a a letter of Good Conduct
[1:06:27] or a uh letter for criminal history to
[1:06:30] show that they are they don't have a
[1:06:32] criminal history um some people want to
[1:06:35] provide it to businesses or landlords
[1:06:38] that I'm being told we only you about 50
[1:06:40] of these a year it's not a very common
[1:06:43] thing um I believe it was 2000 the last
[1:06:46] time you just looked at and it was $20
[1:06:48] back then so um I suggested a $40 fee to
[1:06:52] that and it's would raise 1,000 $2,000
[1:06:56] depending on how many
[1:06:58] um employers we get for the year but
[1:07:01] that is
[1:07:04] a go ahead please um so for so for
[1:07:09] number three when you're ask talking
[1:07:10] about the U arrest files Etc how far are
[1:07:13] you looking I mean we just looking at
[1:07:15] Connected are we looking in New York
[1:07:17] state I don't have that answer I I can
[1:07:20] look for you I believe that is a all of
[1:07:23] all state I believe I believe that's all
[1:07:26] New York state but all New York State I
[1:07:27] believe so I could get an answer for
[1:07:29] that from our records and the other
[1:07:32] second part of that is that you say it
[1:07:34] says free to authorize agencies um what
[1:07:36] constitutes an authorized agency and why
[1:07:39] aren't they pay paying
[1:07:41] for as well as an individual I believe
[1:07:44] that's like another Police Department or
[1:07:46] a this establishes fees only for the
[1:07:48] police department so I believe that
[1:07:50] would be for uh FBI New York State
[1:07:55] police they'll send us records back and
[1:07:56] forth and I believe that's was put in
[1:07:59] there to limit that but I I don't have
[1:08:01] the official answer so just if you so to
[1:08:05] expand on that just like say for
[1:08:06] instance you want to hire somebody and
[1:08:08] you can you get this information as well
[1:08:10] can I ask the police department for that
[1:08:12] I'm interested hiring someone no if I
[1:08:13] want to well if we're going to hire
[1:08:15] somebody then we have to figure if you
[1:08:16] want somebody else have to sign off on
[1:08:18] it and you would have to authorize you
[1:08:20] to get it okay and provide a letter we can't do it without that person's
[1:08:24] authorization in that case let's say I'm
[1:08:26] willing I want this job I'm going to
[1:08:28] sign it would you then um charge the
[1:08:31] agency or organization that's going to
[1:08:32] hire for that record so we've never done
[1:08:35] that before I don't know if we can do
[1:08:37] that but um I've never seen that happen
[1:08:39] before this is usually I guess for when
[1:08:41] people travel also when they apply for
[1:08:43] pieces they need one of these um it's a
[1:08:45] letter that the records does a
[1:08:46] background check they submit a letter
[1:08:49] the chief has to sign off on it and say
[1:08:51] that what the records
[1:08:53] are oh obiously okay
[1:08:56] but I have a vis I don't know I I I
[1:08:59] didn't know that people needed that kind
[1:09:00] of stuff okay I guess it possibly
[1:09:02] depending where you're traveling to
[1:09:07] okay that's it for this
[1:09:11] section the next one goes into the
[1:09:13] parking findes this is a bigger one uh
[1:09:17] New York State set some limits to some
[1:09:20] parking fines or some fees to city
[1:09:22] council you U you guys said many more
[1:09:26] and next this right here is a summary of
[1:09:30] the top 10 items that can be changed and
[1:09:35] they're all that had over 112 or over
[1:09:37] 100 issued within the last year so we
[1:09:40] did a rolling 12- month average U and I
[1:09:44] looked at Troy Albany and I have a
[1:09:47] little bit more information on them as
[1:09:48] well but currently right now most of the
[1:09:50] fees are set is
[1:09:53] $35 and
[1:09:56] I believe that the city last looked at
[1:10:00] them I think they looked in 2011
[1:10:03] possibly was the last time I see an
[1:10:04] ordinance change I don't know if
[1:10:05] something was added or if the fees were
[1:10:07] changed at that time but there's a lot
[1:10:09] of them were
[1:10:10] $35 Troy re uh did theirs in
[1:10:14] 2016 where they increased a lot of them
[1:10:16] to around
[1:10:17] $50 they also adopted something that
[1:10:20] went from uh it doubled after 2 weeks
[1:10:23] where right now currently we have a
[1:10:24] doubling after 20 days and they tripled
[1:10:26] it after 60 days in 2016 Albany has not
[1:10:31] looked at theirs in over 20 years um so
[1:10:36] they're they are lower than what we're
[1:10:39] proposing but the last time get the
[1:10:42] order updated it was at minimum 13 years
[1:10:44] ago but probably longer longer than that
[1:10:46] so I put in there the last 12 months how
[1:10:49] many a beach to those tickets were
[1:10:51] issued by our parking department or some
[1:10:53] of times our officers and what it would
[1:10:56] mean if we were to increase it in yellow
[1:10:58] would be the suggested increase and the
[1:11:00] blue is what the overall find would be
[1:11:03] in the end and the last column is the
[1:11:06] impact of what kind of Revenue we
[1:11:07] generated if everything stay constant
[1:11:09] over the next 12 months for the top 10
[1:11:12] there's six or seven others that have
[1:11:15] under 100 um that we would look at as
[1:11:17] well but those are the the top 10 fig
[1:11:20] I'd start there
[1:11:25] those that are we can increase the
[1:11:26] others we can out because these ones are
[1:11:29] you can you can increase all these
[1:11:31] regulation yeah there the max allowed
[1:11:34] column is where New York State B&T
[1:11:36] determines what the maximum you can
[1:11:37] charge is for different items that we'll
[1:11:40] be able to find um the fire hydrant
[1:11:42] actually could not find anything that
[1:11:44] says what the maximum was but I know New
[1:11:47] York City does $115 that's why I know we
[1:11:50] can go at least to
[1:11:52] 115 yes go ahead please uh I I just
[1:11:55] wanted to say like I appreciate it the
[1:11:56] breakdown gave a lot of context and I
[1:11:59] would say as one of the first
[1:12:01] presentations regarding F Cris um I
[1:12:03] appreciate your responsiveness to the
[1:12:05] issue and then I would say snapshotting
[1:12:07] this and using this as a template uh cuz
[1:12:10] definitely U I wouldn't call out other
[1:12:12] municipalities but it helps us
[1:12:15] understand just where we gauge in the
[1:12:16] exactly that's why it was on this
[1:12:20] yeah any other question on this slide
[1:12:23] all right no I'm just just kind of
[1:12:25] reference the impact if we had this be
[1:12:28] at the beginning of this year we would
[1:12:29] have seen an impact of$
[1:12:32] 242,000 yes sir in 12 months rolling so
[1:12:34] 6 months or 9 months of this year 3
[1:12:36] months of last year yes so it's a
[1:12:38] significant um Revenue um increase their
[1:12:42] part Police Department go ahead please
[1:12:44] so I I don't know that this is exactly
[1:12:46] you know I just know that they're close
[1:12:48] related and again I think it's
[1:12:49] mentioning it's just especially when
[1:12:51] we're talking about parking tickets um
[1:12:53] there are you know there studies
[1:12:55] National studies and I haven't you know
[1:12:57] we haven't looked at our I haven't
[1:12:58] looked at our city data but you just
[1:13:00] have to be mindful about like what type
[1:13:02] of fees we increase because we can
[1:13:06] unintentionally um impact uh certain
[1:13:10] marginalized Community FaceTime the way
[1:13:12] that the
[1:13:14] um durability to parve is the way that
[1:13:18] um you know some neighborhoods have you
[1:13:21] know more driveways some there's there's different contributing factors
[1:13:25] to how we can unintentionally impact
[1:13:29] certain communities more than others so
[1:13:30] I just want to highlight that I just
[1:13:32] think that it's something that we should
[1:13:33] be mindful that and we if we're just
[1:13:35] looking to increase the Fe it looks like
[1:13:37] we definitely should be doing in some
[1:13:38] areas
[1:13:40] that just increasing the fees you know
[1:13:43] there's a greater there can be a greater
[1:13:45] impact to the large
[1:13:48] community you
[1:13:52] yes go ahead please m i I brought that
[1:13:55] up the other day when we were talking
[1:13:56] about the noise violations um because
[1:13:58] the Fe increases are suggested are quite
[1:14:01] High um and it was pointed out to me
[1:14:04] that again we're I I forget the exact
[1:14:08] language but that we're trying to get
[1:14:11] people to change their behavior and so
[1:14:13] you
[1:14:14] know we might have to increase the fees
[1:14:17] to a certain extent because I don't want
[1:14:20] use the word punitive but you know we
[1:14:22] are trying to to be punitive um we are
[1:14:25] hoping that people I I don't want to put
[1:14:27] words but you guys were were very good
[1:14:30] in the way that you responded to me
[1:14:31] about that the other day umz I was
[1:14:34] talking about you know poor kinds of
[1:14:37] populations um but I got that I thought that was a good response to my query I I think the whole Drive is
[1:14:46] to have this effective January 4 so we
[1:14:48] have uh we have a couple months to to do
[1:14:51] an educational um outy Behavior we talk
[1:14:55] about last week at the public safety
[1:14:57] meeting to kind of educate people that
[1:14:59] this is this is going to happen so we're
[1:15:01] not going to like pass it next week and
[1:15:02] then enforce of the following week
[1:15:04] January
[1:15:05] 4st so so um
[1:15:08] I first I'll speak to what you just
[1:15:11] talked about the difference in this is
[1:15:13] that you have a choice over how loud
[1:15:15] you're going to play your music that's a
[1:15:16] decision that you make however if
[1:15:18] there's a limited parking on your street
[1:15:20] then you can only work within those
[1:15:21] perimeters so I don't know that there're
[1:15:24] necessarily things that we can equally
[1:15:26] um compare CU I want to have a loud
[1:15:28] party I'm going to turn it up whether
[1:15:30] you like it or not but if there's
[1:15:31] limited parking and I'm I'm you know I
[1:15:34] have to work within those parameters so
[1:15:36] I'm not sure if that's that's a
[1:15:38] comparison that um that I would really
[1:15:39] make in terms of um people's ability to
[1:15:43] pay um because you made a decision or
[1:15:46] you don't really have any place else to
[1:15:47] park so um there's that the other thing
[1:15:50] I wanted to know and will this impact it
[1:15:52] and should we take a look at it some of
[1:15:54] our part parking signs are a little bit
[1:15:56] outdated and they were put up when
[1:15:59] people were working at GE and they
[1:16:01] worked these interesting hours and so
[1:16:03] you couldn't park at a certain time on
[1:16:05] one side of the street versus the other
[1:16:06] side of the street so if we're talking
[1:16:08] about um changing um the fees rep
[1:16:11] parking should we also be looking to
[1:16:12] make sure that how we currently have our
[1:16:14] signage Mak sense for how people work
[1:16:17] today I think that's something we should
[1:16:19] um because now some people have
[1:16:20] alternate parking they don't even pay
[1:16:22] attention to it I see parking on both
[1:16:24] sides of the screen on a regular basis
[1:16:26] because the signs just really don't make
[1:16:28] sense cuz people don't work like they
[1:16:31] did for those hours when G was like the
[1:16:33] main employer in the city of skac so I
[1:16:36] think we would have to take that I know
[1:16:37] that that's going to take a lot because
[1:16:39] if we have to pay for signs do a study
[1:16:41] do all those things however those are
[1:16:43] things that we should all also be taking
[1:16:45] a look at well well not only people who
[1:16:48] don't who work some people who don't
[1:16:50] work doesn't even go they move their car
[1:16:52] so it's it's a two-way you know to that
[1:16:55] people just need to comply you know just
[1:16:58] like the noise news people playing loud
[1:17:00] music we're going to increase the field
[1:17:01] you come into compliance if not you're
[1:17:03] going to have to pay the violation same
[1:17:05] thing we need you know to clean up the
[1:17:07] street and get people to comply with
[1:17:09] regulation you park on the wrong side
[1:17:11] you're going to get ticket they're
[1:17:13] parking they're parking all over the
[1:17:15] place but does our parking make sense
[1:17:17] though that's we have to take a look
[1:17:18] does make sense for how we live now yeah
[1:17:20] well what we'll need to do is make sure
[1:17:21] that we have updated signs across the
[1:17:23] city if we're going to enforce this
[1:17:24] signs need to be placed across updated
[1:17:26] sign new signs and put that in place so
[1:17:29] people are aware that parking on either
[1:17:31] side is within a given days
[1:17:34] violation go ahead please so I
[1:17:37] appreciate president P for that
[1:17:39] distinction cuz you know definitely one
[1:17:42] is more I think that when you're talking
[1:17:44] about parking feeds and and the reason
[1:17:46] why they have these these National
[1:17:48] studies is because
[1:17:50] um unintentionally I would say in some
[1:17:53] places and and certainly by Design in
[1:17:56] other places um you start
[1:17:59] to uh kind of take advantage of the most
[1:18:03] marginalized people in your community
[1:18:05] and and start to increase fees based off
[1:18:07] them based on the fact that there is um
[1:18:11] and not not just the case of of limited
[1:18:15] uh parking but there's also the
[1:18:17] enforcement strategies which is more you
[1:18:19] know would be more up to the police
[1:18:22] department as well to kind of consider
[1:18:23] those things as just we have to keep
[1:18:25] that in front of our in front of our
[1:18:26] mind cuz if not we can have these really
[1:18:28] good policies that make a lot of sense
[1:18:30] increase our Revenue um but we can be
[1:18:33] doing it off the GL of most vulnerable
[1:18:34] population in the city now we just
[1:18:36] always have to ask ourselves the
[1:18:38] questions when we doing any of these
[1:18:39] things right because if
[1:18:41] it if it if we're increasing the fee and
[1:18:44] we're going to you know bring in another
[1:18:47] $200,000 but 80 to 90% of that
[1:18:50] $200,000 is coming from you know you
[1:18:54] know
[1:18:55] two or three neighborhoods that just
[1:18:56] happen to be the uh neighborhoods that
[1:18:59] the design is far more likely for
[1:19:01] someone to be out of compliance with the department and that's something
[1:19:04] that you just have to
[1:19:05] consider you don't have the data for
[1:19:07] that you have the
[1:19:09] data so so what I what I was saying
[1:19:11] question so what what I said uh in the
[1:19:14] beginning of of what my statement was I
[1:19:17] was talk referring to more to Nationals
[1:19:19] Trends and the first thing I said was I
[1:19:20] haven't looked at the data within our
[1:19:22] city there something to be mindful of
[1:19:24] and pay attention because if we increase
[1:19:25] this without looking at the data we can
[1:19:27] unintentionally perpetuate that outcome
[1:19:29] so it so we would so I wasn't making a
[1:19:31] statement that what's happening I'm
[1:19:32] saying if we're changing something then
[1:19:34] we need to be mindful of that or we
[1:19:35] won't be being
[1:19:37] accurate clear well we have to we have
[1:19:39] to make sure that we encourag the police
[1:19:41] to do across the board and no no
[1:19:43] Community or no neighborhood should be
[1:19:45] targeted but apply apply it across the
[1:19:48] entire city when they're doing
[1:19:50] enforcement or when they're bulying um
[1:19:52] tickets
[1:19:56] well I was just going to say I mean you
[1:19:58] guys probably have data my neighborhood
[1:20:00] um in terms of breakdown of these
[1:20:03] tickets so I've never seen it but I'm
[1:20:04] going ask Adam behind you do you know is
[1:20:07] that possible through the the software y
[1:20:10] okay so it is possible for us to see
[1:20:13] that
[1:20:14] so has gotten tickets
[1:20:17] can make a note and provide that to the
[1:20:19] counil
[1:20:23] please so looking for a breakdown of
[1:20:27] tickets per is it Go by zone or does it
[1:20:29] go by area where you think it goes
[1:20:32] by no it's not a Zone like we consider
[1:20:36] the neighborhood Zone it might be a Zone
[1:20:38] but there's no correlation between that
[1:20:40] zone in in our system uh compared to
[1:20:44] what there is uh in the city um you know
[1:20:48] we enforce where the signs are available
[1:20:50] so so so to the point of you know where
[1:20:53] do be enforce we enforce where we can
[1:20:55] enforce uh there are neighborhoods um
[1:20:58] that there is no signage but it makes
[1:21:01] sense because some of the streets are
[1:21:03] wider uh the the neighbor of the uh
[1:21:06] driveways are longer so a lot of this uh
[1:21:09] enforcement is is not
[1:21:12] necessarily Revenue generator but it's it's a safety aspect too you have
[1:21:17] neighborhoods that have narrow streets
[1:21:19] and you have uh bothside parking you
[1:21:22] can't get emergency Personnel down there
[1:21:24] um and often times the signs indicate
[1:21:27] the season right so there's more
[1:21:30] prohibitions during certain seasons for
[1:21:32] the obvious reasons of snow fall some of the ones that I know that are
[1:21:36] kind of different there'll be no parking
[1:21:39] aside from 1:00 a.m. to 6 a the reason
[1:21:41] is because the street street sweepers
[1:21:43] will come down can you just come on up I
[1:21:47] thought oh yeah the camera is focusing
[1:21:49] yeah we he turn to you but yeah you're
[1:21:52] providing a lot of information uh so
[1:21:55] some of the some of the signs that we
[1:21:57] might not have a comprehensive
[1:21:59] understanding to at least at face value
[1:22:01] do serve a legitimate purpose the
[1:22:02] example I was saying before is no
[1:22:04] standing this side 1:00 a.m. to 6: a.m.
[1:22:07] uh you know you think what is that about
[1:22:09] but but it's uh it's for street street
[1:22:11] sweeping so obviously it just makes more
[1:22:14] sense to have that um but that said you
[1:22:17] know again we we we tick it where we can
[1:22:19] and enforce where we can and um I don't
[1:22:23] know why they decided to put things in
[1:22:25] certain areas uh you know maybe it's a
[1:22:28] for a broader discussion you know can we
[1:22:30] use more enforcement can can you know we
[1:22:33] have more or less restrictions to your
[1:22:35] point I don't know you know that's I
[1:22:37] don't
[1:22:39] know go ahead thanks I think that some I
[1:22:42] mean I you know I mean I think about
[1:22:44] some of the streets um like brandy wine
[1:22:47] or you know mcen I
[1:22:49] mean parking is crazy and it's really
[1:22:52] difficult so I think related to the
[1:22:54] previous discussion about traffic
[1:22:56] control and and speeding I mean I think
[1:22:58] some of those things have must come into
[1:23:00] the into consideration as well in terms
[1:23:03] of where the signage is and I I can
[1:23:05] think you know just driving around the
[1:23:07] city and having to park in a lot of
[1:23:09] different areas um where it might be
[1:23:11] time in a lot of areas it's alternate
[1:23:14] side based on the days of the week
[1:23:16] Monday Wednesday Friday versus you know
[1:23:18] Tuesday Thursday Saturday um it's you
[1:23:21] know I'm I would think that maybe has to
[1:23:24] do with traffic um what's the word I'm
[1:23:26] looking
[1:23:29] uh the number the numbers of cars the
[1:23:32] congestion congestion on the streets as
[1:23:34] well um so there is that the uh parking
[1:23:37] enforcement officers drive around
[1:23:39] obviously they um they have different
[1:23:41] zones that they all go to and they
[1:23:42] switch them up daily or regularly and
[1:23:44] also during the day if somebody calls
[1:23:45] him with a parking complaint during the
[1:23:47] day they're dispatched automatically so
[1:23:49] somebody calls in and says that there's
[1:23:51] a parking multiple cars here uh we had
[1:23:54] for civilians now we're down to two so
[1:23:55] we're hopefully getting them back up um
[1:23:58] they will drive around and they'll go
[1:24:00] right there and issue the the ticket
[1:24:01] right then and there so that's besides
[1:24:04] their normal Patrol they they do respond
[1:24:06] to the areas people call complain dur
[1:24:08] the
[1:24:10] day go ahead quick question so um I I
[1:24:13] imagine it's definitely Chief Clifford's
[1:24:15] call will we be able to interested
[1:24:18] Shadow around that persective job on the
[1:24:21] ticketing oh absolutely yeah absolutely
[1:24:24] y got R right now they're working you
[1:24:27] know days Monday through Friday and uh
[1:24:29] if there somebody's interested
[1:24:31] absolutely
[1:24:33] right just C they ride a bike some do so
[1:24:39] we have the one off Main rides the bike
[1:24:41] downtown and they're also in a car
[1:24:43] that's marked Park enforcement as well
[1:24:45] I'll do if I can use the electric bike
[1:24:47] yeah AB we actually have't for parking
[1:24:49] for we do so are you saying that we can
[1:24:52] get a breakdown um by neighborhood I
[1:24:55] suspect I don't think
[1:24:57] there the only thing that may be lab for
[1:25:01] intensive depending on how I I may have
[1:25:03] to run we may have to run data by street
[1:25:06] right instead of just my
[1:25:08] neighborhood but I'm sure it's just yeah
[1:25:11] if we want that how far back do we want
[1:25:13] to go I will say 6 months yeah because
[1:25:17] it's going to take a lot of time going
[1:25:18] to be um taking up to do that 6 months 3
[1:25:20] months I think I think I can do a year
[1:25:26] be a lot of work entire year with 6,000
[1:25:29] we want to use the same data set that
[1:25:31] we're using for projections sense you
[1:25:34] want to do the
[1:25:35] same this is 831 23 and 91 of 24 is what
[1:25:40] that Let's do let's do this the same
[1:25:42] recort here this is one we can move hard
[1:25:45] go ahead please so just CU I it's
[1:25:48] important that we have Clarity around
[1:25:49] these issues I think that like so um and
[1:25:51] I appreciate like I don't know exactly
[1:25:53] why they you know put signs places and
[1:25:55] I'm sure that well I I would give the
[1:25:58] benefit of the doubt to say that when
[1:25:59] some of these signs and regulations um
[1:26:02] were put in place that they were done so
[1:26:04] in good faith I um I definitely would
[1:26:07] assume that um our Law Enforcement
[1:26:09] Officers act in good faith when is
[1:26:11] issuing you know tickets uh so on and so
[1:26:13] forth um so that that idea is not an
[1:26:17] opposition to us um kind of looking at
[1:26:22] the impact of what we're of of of what
[1:26:25] that enforcement looks like and just to
[1:26:28] be aware of how these things can
[1:26:32] perpetuate certain inequities throughout
[1:26:35] society and and and we're not
[1:26:37] disconnected and we're not you know
[1:26:40] and that that includes us so again so
[1:26:42] the point I'm making is that there's no
[1:26:46] um intention around I'm not assigning
[1:26:49] any any intention to this but what I'm
[1:26:52] saying is that if we're not
[1:26:53] intentionally to know about taking those
[1:26:56] measurements and kind of really asking
[1:26:57] ourselves the hard questions that no one
[1:26:59] likes to talk about but me a lot of time
[1:27:00] in like and we end up you know
[1:27:02] perpetuating something so just want to
[1:27:04] be really clear about that but I
[1:27:05] appreciate you what we genu through and
[1:27:07] the
[1:27:08] transparency any other question on this
[1:27:14] Slide the next one is some of our anal
[1:27:18] control fees well some of these are not
[1:27:21] through the police department it's
[1:27:22] through the clerk's office but it's we
[1:27:23] were very closely together in these so
[1:27:25] I'm was including them in here in the
[1:27:27] presentation currently right now the
[1:27:29] city is charging
[1:27:32] $20.50 for a a dog license if they're
[1:27:35] altered 1350 if they're unaltered and
[1:27:38] then it goes down if you're a senior or
[1:27:41] um older the surrounding towns and City
[1:27:47] we had Nuna is $20 for $30 Aly was 16
[1:27:51] and 23 and then Troy is 15 and 20
[1:27:55] the r section is 114 and it's a little
[1:28:00] complicated as far as there's multiple
[1:28:02] layers multiple things that go into what
[1:28:03] the dog license fee is so I have it
[1:28:06] broken down here crossed out the dollar
[1:28:09] value and put the the new dollar value
[1:28:12] that's recommended in here the next
[1:28:13] slide will show you kind of what the
[1:28:15] bottom line is if this makes sense so
[1:28:18] that the the new fee recommendation
[1:28:21] would be uh $7.50 in increase on the
[1:28:25] altered $7 on the unaltered and then $3
[1:28:30] 250 for the senior citizens and this
[1:28:34] would increase the revenue between $8
[1:28:36] $110,000 per year it depends on if
[1:28:38] somebody order or pays for a one year
[1:28:40] twoyear or multi-year placement so it
[1:28:43] could fluctuate a little bit
[1:28:47] but so Miss Michael this align with your
[1:28:50] C for service it does it does yes
[1:28:55] so who gets those feed with where is the
[1:28:58] actual City to the Clark's office is
[1:29:02] that correct it gets deposited into the
[1:29:05] general fund well you take in your
[1:29:08] office Tak we take it in yes get posi to
[1:29:13] the
[1:29:17] goes
[1:29:18] I go to shouldn't that go to
[1:29:22] the uh the police du to like the of for
[1:29:26] that or that the way how it's written is
[1:29:30] like directed to the par office but it's
[1:29:32] kind of like enforced by the police
[1:29:36] department Sam you can you can explain
[1:29:38] more about how the enforcement about
[1:29:40] that sorry
[1:29:42] well yeah the Animal Control Officers
[1:29:44] when they do go out or they find
[1:29:47] unlicensed animal you know the the uh
[1:29:51] dog is then taken to mov Hudson Society
[1:29:55] there's a Redemption fee involved and
[1:29:57] also then they have to license their
[1:30:01] pet that's the police
[1:30:04] component but the the they come to your
[1:30:07] office to do the licing my office to do
[1:30:09] all
[1:30:10] that I believe that's like different all
[1:30:13] talented things that I saw went to the
[1:30:15] clerk's office usually for the for the
[1:30:18] feast dog still can't
[1:30:20] drive uh just a question and Mr br I
[1:30:24] appreciate your uh background also if
[1:30:26] needed could we discuss potentially
[1:30:29] expanding the senior citizen category to
[1:30:31] include like medically qualifi positions
[1:30:33] in which someone needs a service animal
[1:30:35] and then also potentially like service
[1:30:36] members where like it's beenen to like a
[1:30:39] system their integration back into
[1:30:42] society I think that's already in the
[1:30:44] code that those areas are already
[1:30:46] exempt I'm looking ahead at the next
[1:30:49] slide and I'm I'm wondering about the
[1:30:52] exemptions that are being taken away so there it's it is in the code I was
[1:30:58] looking to remove it actually yeah
[1:31:00] they're removing it that that's it's already in the code right now aen
[1:31:05] Market's law says that M municipality
[1:31:08] May exempt an animal but then uh the
[1:31:12] American Disability Act has changed it
[1:31:15] so you cannot ask for documentation you
[1:31:18] can only ask two questions and we're
[1:31:20] getting customers coming in um refusing
[1:31:23] to to provide answers provide
[1:31:27] documentation um just making it so much
[1:31:30] more
[1:31:32] difficult the the Americans with
[1:31:33] Disabilities acts have very limited uh
[1:31:37] regulations as as as the city clerk has
[1:31:40] pointed out what sort of questions you
[1:31:42] can ask and they're very limited in
[1:31:44] scope to for the for the federal RS so
[1:31:50] um it's it's what what the council wants
[1:31:53] to do whe want to you what I'm seeing up
[1:31:56] there is five is being deleted it's what
[1:31:58] that's a poliy decision for you all to
[1:32:01] make that policy decision if you want to
[1:32:04] U continue with the exemptions or or or
[1:32:08] not Sam what is your recommendation
[1:32:11] remove my recommendation was removing
[1:32:14] our our our ordinance covers every like
[1:32:18] service animal therapy animal everything
[1:32:21] like everything um
[1:32:24] but one we don't me to under ion markets
[1:32:27] and two under Ada they say service
[1:32:31] animals and there's a differentiation
[1:32:33] between service and therapy but we we
[1:32:35] can't really differentiate based on the
[1:32:37] two
[1:32:39] questions go ahead please I I feel that
[1:32:43] servicing I I I like the exemption um
[1:32:47] for Veterans for service for service
[1:32:50] animals um therapy dogs
[1:32:54] well obviously the detection I mean
[1:32:57] those wouldn't be charged what's that it
[1:32:59] says detection so that must be like a
[1:33:01] police animal that's looking for drugs
[1:33:03] or something like that I mean I don't
[1:33:04] know why we wouldn't exemp that that's
[1:33:06] like an employee of the
[1:33:08] city um right I mean so if they lived in
[1:33:11] the city yes if there was a city
[1:33:13] employee that had the look like they
[1:33:14] would have to register the
[1:33:17] doll pay the pay the $40 or the $28 we
[1:33:21] haven't had one year is that live in the
[1:33:23] city because the uh the animal with the
[1:33:27] police department stay with whoever the
[1:33:30] train is right right so they live the
[1:33:33] what you I know I H that
[1:33:36] but I just think those animals should be
[1:33:38] exempt remain exle from what I got from
[1:33:42] Miss Miku it wasn't like any bias it was
[1:33:44] just an inability to evaluate those so
[1:33:46] that's causing administrative bird and
[1:33:48] thre can be responsive to her office's
[1:33:50] needs
[1:33:53] an alternative I believe there are funds
[1:33:55] available um to D worth with to get
[1:33:58] funds from people who couldn't pay the fee so if there was a
[1:34:03] hardship I don't know how many
[1:34:04] exemptions or on the sheets that I saw I
[1:34:06] think there was only like six or seven
[1:34:08] at for certain amount of months I looked
[1:34:10] at the data so if there was if those
[1:34:12] people couldn't for if we did decide to
[1:34:14] get rid of it and there was somebody
[1:34:15] needed it there are funds available for
[1:34:17] them to pay for so it doesn't stop you
[1:34:21] from giving exemption you you still have
[1:34:24] the authority to give
[1:34:25] exemption is that if we remove it it
[1:34:28] you're removing it then the exemption
[1:34:29] done exemptions
[1:34:31] right
[1:34:34] yeah I would say let's let's put this on
[1:34:37] hold and and go through the the process
[1:34:39] of the public hearing then we can say
[1:34:41] because the consern table is like we
[1:34:43] should keep that and I I think we
[1:34:46] should we should keep it the
[1:34:49] exemption unless we Define it a little
[1:34:52] bit as a one
[1:34:54] what is examp I think I think the clerk
[1:34:56] saying elate and I say like making my
[1:34:58] position known hearing her response and
[1:35:00] there's a pot of money that is might who
[1:35:02] can direct those individuals to I think
[1:35:04] it captures it it's a win okay all
[1:35:07] right do we do we need to put
[1:35:11] ofion well it all depends I mean if
[1:35:13] there if okay we'll talk you know I can
[1:35:17] yes good we've been talking about
[1:35:19] parking fees and now dog fees so the go
[1:35:22] required city code also require public
[1:35:26] hearings regarding these two public
[1:35:28] hearings I would recommend since they're generating money for the city
[1:35:33] which will have an impact on the budget
[1:35:35] perhaps you would want to do these
[1:35:37] hearings at the same night you're doing
[1:35:39] the budget you don't have to but it's it's dealing with Revenue items
[1:35:45] that as you go through the rest of
[1:35:47] October you
[1:35:48] may use as you're making your
[1:35:51] projections and you're creating your
[1:35:53] budget
[1:35:54] and then after you have that public
[1:35:56] hearing then you have the budget being
[1:35:59] adopted and then you have the ordinances
[1:36:01] that need to be changed to con with the
[1:36:04] amounts of fees that you increase this
[1:36:06] way it's all one one pro I'm just it's
[1:36:09] I'm just throwing that out for for for
[1:36:11] you all to consider that you would have
[1:36:14] the public hearing on that same night
[1:36:15] because it's dealing with fees which
[1:36:17] will as you saw will have an impact on the budget so that way it's in total
[1:36:23] and then
[1:36:24] the budget is dealt with and then uh
[1:36:26] depending on how you work on the budget
[1:36:29] you can amend the ordinance to conform
[1:36:30] with the budget so do we need two public
[1:36:33] hearing you would need two public
[1:36:34] hearings the reason being is because
[1:36:36] you're dealing sorry there's five I
[1:36:39] think for if you were to go through
[1:36:40] change everything you want I think
[1:36:43] because I think they weren't quite
[1:36:44] certain about I I think about what I
[1:36:47] think they weren't you weren't quite
[1:36:48] certain about the first part of the
[1:36:50] hearing uh first part I'm just focusing
[1:36:53] on the uh the
[1:36:56] uh parking and now the dog dog parking
[1:37:01] it's not parking only we're all fees and
[1:37:04] then uh I think I think if false alarm
[1:37:07] fees I think you need more information
[1:37:09] regarding the false alarm Fe so I don't
[1:37:11] know if that's ready for a public
[1:37:12] hearing yet you may need to and whether
[1:37:16] that's going to have a significant
[1:37:18] amount of Revenue I don't know but I
[1:37:20] mean you can
[1:37:22] always you can call for public hearings
[1:37:24] on all those items and then deal with
[1:37:27] that before the next the next committee
[1:37:30] cycle and then you know Mark everything
[1:37:33] up and then it will be ready for the
[1:37:34] public hearing and then you'll have a
[1:37:36] draft
[1:37:38] ordinance
[1:37:40] I public heing going on the same night
[1:37:43] for the every for the
[1:37:46] uh
[1:37:47] publics oh there was the The False Alarm
[1:37:50] fees if you were to
[1:37:52] increase FAL if you were to if you were
[1:37:54] going to change what the false alarm
[1:37:57] definition was and if you're going to
[1:37:59] change the false alarm fees structure
[1:38:02] and then there was the parking finds the
[1:38:07] records and then the control
[1:38:11] Fe oh the records also
[1:38:16] okay any that's the last slide no uh two
[1:38:19] more quick ones so Mr M I want to make
[1:38:22] my point about exemption I'm I'm going
[1:38:24] do with Miss um Miss Mike that they
[1:38:26] should be taken away because right now
[1:38:28] people don't have to answer any
[1:38:29] questions no that's okay I yeah I'm fine
[1:38:32] with that I was thinking about you know
[1:38:34] but then there there's a part of money
[1:38:36] that can be used to help individual and
[1:38:39] those situation I'm and so so we're
[1:38:43] talking about five public hearings on on
[1:38:45] the night just be clear night so five
[1:38:48] plus what you may want to do is the
[1:38:50] bigger items are the dog license fees
[1:38:53] and and the parking fees the parking
[1:38:54] fees that you saw would generate a lot
[1:38:57] of Revenue if those fees were to go
[1:38:59] through so perhaps you just have the
[1:39:01] parking fees on the same night as the uh the budget heing because
[1:39:07] that's probably the most significant
[1:39:09] amount of money that I've saw yeah no I
[1:39:13] recommend that we do all at the same
[1:39:14] time I get it over with I mean it small
[1:39:16] they small public hearing maybe
[1:39:18] you few people yeah my my bigger concern
[1:39:22] is like people know what they're going
[1:39:23] to be about there so many yeah cuz it
[1:39:25] can that's a lot that's a
[1:39:28] lot what does the next SL tell us what
[1:39:31] the total a lot of money is
[1:39:33] can no 8 to 10,000 a year for
[1:39:37] the depending on the year depending on
[1:39:40] if they're one two or three year renewal
[1:39:44] Cycles so we could still have the public
[1:39:46] hearing implemented it without I mean
[1:39:48] after the budget season yeah this yes
[1:39:50] we're going to pass it and it's going to
[1:39:52] take in January for so we have enough
[1:39:55] time to to a PA out there and let people
[1:39:58] know that hey this is what's going to
[1:39:59] happen well ask Michelle to to kind of
[1:40:03] put it on the website to people know
[1:40:04] that January 4st these changes are
[1:40:06] coming into
[1:40:08] place cuz that's not a huge budget
[1:40:10] impact no it's not a hug just something
[1:40:12] that we need to address these small
[1:40:14] little
[1:40:17] things next two next this is this is a
[1:40:20] very quick one uh we do have grant money
[1:40:22] and we also have have uh money in cap
[1:40:25] and you guys provide us with capital
[1:40:27] funding in the past um so we are looking
[1:40:30] to do a new kennel facility in the city
[1:40:32] and when we do do that there will be
[1:40:34] options for more more Revenue that may
[1:40:37] or may not require some assistance for
[1:40:39] you guys and helping us do that but uh
[1:40:42] right now if we get a new facility we
[1:40:44] can look to at lease canel space to
[1:40:46] other municipalities we're having
[1:40:48] trouble U post trainings there's a lot
[1:40:50] that we'd like to do that's another hour
[1:40:52] something don't do that and then look
[1:40:54] into the countywide agreement instead of
[1:40:57] having Justice City be involved there's
[1:40:59] other people that would like to be part
[1:41:00] of our agreement but uh they're more or
[1:41:03] less locked out of the agreement so
[1:41:04] possibly we could look to expand it
[1:41:06] countywide with that and the last one uh
[1:41:10] I know that the council gave the mayor
[1:41:13] the option to look at keyas rates and
[1:41:16] change those they were last change in
[1:41:17] 2020 and I recommend at some point a
[1:41:21] group looks at those fees to see if
[1:41:23] they're still in line with what they
[1:41:25] should be is that an engineer is that an
[1:41:29] engineer
[1:41:30] thing yes
[1:41:32] so yes engineering engineering helps set
[1:41:35] the set the initial fees so I don't know how the initial fee
[1:41:38] structure was set um I have the initial
[1:41:41] fee I have what they are today um they
[1:41:43] haven't changed since 2020 but have
[1:41:44] something to to think about looking at
[1:41:46] and seeing if that uh they should be
[1:41:49] updated
[1:41:50] we whenever we updated Park and we have
[1:41:53] to coordinate natural M we we'll get to
[1:41:59] you okay that's the last slide that's it any other
[1:42:07] questions so if we were to move forward
[1:42:09] this we need to call for public hearing
[1:42:11] and I think it's like three public
[1:42:12] hearing because we're not doing with
[1:42:14] parking rates because that would have to
[1:42:16] fall on the engineering and we're not
[1:42:18] touching on that and high remote
[1:42:22] control is are correct so we need to
[1:42:24] call for public hearing for false
[1:42:27] alarm public hearing for the parking
[1:42:31] fines we're not doing a parkings we
[1:42:34] don't have the RS and Animal Control Fe
[1:42:38] fre public heing and the
[1:42:40] records on record yeah records oh yeah
[1:42:44] sorry record it's not records fals
[1:42:49] records animal right go ahead Miss
[1:42:55] I thought we waiting for the feedback of
[1:42:57] other municipalities for the false
[1:43:02] alarms so I have written down I'm going
[1:43:04] to come back I'm I'll email out what the
[1:43:06] bills were versus what was paid and what
[1:43:09] other municipalities are charging for
[1:43:10] their false armarm Fe so that's my one
[1:43:13] takeaway my other takeaway is the
[1:43:15] oneyear same data set we used there of
[1:43:18] zones for parking that's good any other
[1:43:21] information we need from assistant I
[1:43:24] think that that's what we asking here so
[1:43:26] we need to call for call public care for
[1:43:29] records call for public hearing for the
[1:43:32] alarm false alarm we need to call for
[1:43:35] public hearing parking findes and we
[1:43:38] need to call for public hearing and
[1:43:40] Animal Control
[1:43:41] Fe go ahead please C can't call for
[1:43:45] public hearing if we're still looking at
[1:43:47] adjust trade so no we're not adjusting
[1:43:49] the this is the L we just asking for
[1:43:52] backup false alarm I I was looking for
[1:43:55] more context that increase the rates but
[1:43:57] we're trying to identify what rates it's
[1:44:01] getting off on that one so we can hold
[1:44:03] off on that one the false alarm right so
[1:44:06] it's records so what I do we'll proceed
[1:44:09] to call for public hearing for the
[1:44:11] records October
[1:44:13] 15 I have a motion second call in favor
[1:44:18] I so we'll skip the false alarm and wait
[1:44:21] on the backup documents
[1:44:24] I call for a public hearing on the
[1:44:26] parking findes for October
[1:44:28] 15th are we going to wait for that too
[1:44:31] wait for the information that talk
[1:44:33] about well we have the backup he's just
[1:44:36] going to spread it out for us in more
[1:44:38] detail and we have that before the
[1:44:41] 15th so this just calling and setting
[1:44:44] the public hearing we have almost a
[1:44:46] month to get that
[1:44:51] information you have
[1:44:54] yeah you have another committee meeting
[1:44:56] between we have one we still have a Mee
[1:44:59] committee meeting so you can pass it
[1:45:02] maybe final version that that evening
[1:45:06] and still be in time for the public
[1:45:09] hearing we still have
[1:45:11] time thing going back to the false
[1:45:13] alarms trying to leverage our time now
[1:45:16] do we call it and then in between that
[1:45:18] we still have time to adjust it yeah
[1:45:19] that's exactly yeah cuz we still have
[1:45:22] almost month to get that information and
[1:45:24] I'm pretty sure we get that in a week or
[1:45:26] two from p and that will give us enough
[1:45:28] time to kind of like two weeks out to
[1:45:31] kind of like review it internally
[1:45:33] between ourselves and then the public
[1:45:34] hearing is on the 15th let's listen to
[1:45:37] the public we came back come back to the
[1:45:38] table and we can like iron it out and
[1:45:41] move
[1:45:42] our so I so are you saying that you
[1:45:44] think that we should have the public
[1:45:45] hearing on the 15th for the
[1:45:47] fils were you asking in terms of timing yes is that your
[1:45:51] question my question was was if we're
[1:45:53] doing that in similar context was like
[1:45:55] another area I just want to make it
[1:45:57] known I I very much want to increase the
[1:46:00] rates for the false alarms is just
[1:46:02] identifying what rates there are so if
[1:46:04] we're trying to like hedge time like we
[1:46:07] will we will uh word the uh word the
[1:46:10] public hearing notice they calling for
[1:46:11] an increase in the public amendment that
[1:46:13] of that particular part of the code
[1:46:15] calling for an increase in the
[1:46:17] uh fine amounts so that would be what
[1:46:20] the public will be on notice for the
[1:46:23] legislation we
[1:46:25] follow and then look at the other
[1:46:28] municipality we'll come back to the
[1:46:30] council with I will share with the
[1:46:31] council have assistant and chief shared
[1:46:34] with the Council of the municipality way
[1:46:36] they have for false
[1:46:38] alarm
[1:46:39] okay so we did go through with the call
[1:46:43] public hearing for the record so we can proceed to call for public
[1:46:46] hearing on the false alarm feed for
[1:46:49] October
[1:46:51] 15th so second second all in favor I and
[1:46:55] then we'll call for a public Hearing in
[1:46:57] October the 15th for parking fine
[1:47:00] fees second all in favor I and then
[1:47:04] we'll call for public hearing and the
[1:47:05] animal control fee October
[1:47:09] 15 so uh so moved again all in favor I I
[1:47:14] thank
[1:47:16] you we we'll get to work and we'll
[1:47:18] provide all the information that is
[1:47:20] needed there a hand waving in the hair
[1:47:22] back there what are we doing with
[1:47:25] paring no we we'll have a meeting with
[1:47:27] you regards to
[1:47:29] the unless you ready to go no I'm just
[1:47:33] kidding yeah I just want we we'll
[1:47:35] provide all the information that was
[1:47:37] asked U to the conso so that we can uh
[1:47:40] proceed with this in a timely
[1:47:42] manner the next
[1:47:47] item review collecting feedback from
[1:47:50] City residents on our cbgs like CV
[1:47:53] funding to prevent prepare for and
[1:47:55] respond to Corona virus
[1:47:59] projects um there a public hearing was
[1:48:01] held on the
[1:48:03] 9th start here I beg
[1:48:08] pardon are there any questions there
[1:48:10] were no um speakers there were no
[1:48:13] speakers are there any questions
[1:48:15] comments on
[1:48:18] this we need to we need to move so I
[1:48:20] have a motion to to to move this
[1:48:22] resolution
[1:48:29] can I have a
[1:48:31] second closing out this matter it would
[1:48:34] be a motion to closing out the public
[1:48:36] hearing with then there was no comments
[1:48:38] and the report will go forward to
[1:48:42] the the agency that's was just to hear
[1:48:45] what the motion it would be a motion to
[1:48:47] close out the public hearing and and you
[1:48:49] know send the report to the Federal
[1:48:53] responsible for this fund okay think did
[1:48:56] you and second second all in favor any
[1:49:00] other business or Finance motion to
[1:49:03] adjourn second all in favor I I'd like
[1:49:07] to call to order uh City development and
[1:49:09] planning there are 10 items on the
[1:49:11] agenda and I will would like to add a
[1:49:13] couple more ceremonial resolutions just
[1:49:15] so you're aware um Mr Wall's here so the
[1:49:19] first item is the award viid contract
[1:49:21] for the city hall that ation
[1:49:32] replacement uh so the first award bidden
[1:49:34] contract we have is for like it says
[1:49:36] City Hall ventilation replacement there
[1:49:38] are two bids for this one is an
[1:49:41] electrical one is mechanical we did the
[1:49:44] Electrical uh several weeks ago
[1:49:46] mechanical we didn't get a bid because
[1:49:47] of some labeling we did come back out
[1:49:50] put out a bid and received a low bid
[1:49:52] from R&B mechanical um the second bid
[1:49:56] was considerably higher from Hecker we
[1:49:58] did talk with R&B mechanical we have
[1:50:01] done a lot of work with R&B mechanical
[1:50:03] and they are confident in their number
[1:50:05] so we are confident in them and we're
[1:50:07] recommending to move
[1:50:11] forward any questions concerns move this
[1:50:14] second all in favor I uh item number two
[1:50:17] awarding been contract for the watt
[1:50:19] Street and car Street Park improvements
[1:50:21] to car Construction Wallen um this is a
[1:50:25] we're calling it a was Street Safety
[1:50:26] project um it's a project we've been
[1:50:28] working with the members of the
[1:50:30] Congressional gate to Heaven Cemetery
[1:50:32] committee um because of the unique
[1:50:34] configuration of watch Street the fence
[1:50:38] has been hit multiple times uh over the
[1:50:40] course of the history of the cemetery uh
[1:50:43] they've asked the city to try to
[1:50:45] mitigate that um so what we have is
[1:50:48] we've designed a uh di rail system with
[1:50:52] chevr we're looking to possibly install
[1:50:54] a couple of solar power light up
[1:50:56] Chevrons cuz a lot of these do happen at
[1:50:58] night uh where it is a you geometry that
[1:51:02] we're not looking to have uh very unique
[1:51:04] in the area um and this also have a a
[1:51:07] modified driveway and then we're also
[1:51:10] working with uh the carish street park
[1:51:12] and trying to work with the people there
[1:51:14] to pick away at their master plan um a
[1:51:18] little bit at a time this will extend
[1:51:20] their sidewalk to the basketball court
[1:51:23] little connection and then for some pads
[1:51:26] so that they can install some benches
[1:51:28] around the area that's
[1:51:30] great any questions concerns a motion
[1:51:34] second all those in
[1:51:36] favor thank you and item number three
[1:51:39] excuse me award biding contract for
[1:51:40] disconnected fire station number one H
[1:51:44] HVAC and Generator upgrades uh so
[1:51:47] similar to the City Hall of ventilation
[1:51:50] this was uh the DC portion of a four bid
[1:51:55] Wix law project we already awarded three
[1:51:58] the mechanical the electrical and the
[1:51:59] plumbing we did have a hard time finding
[1:52:01] a GC we were able to um call a couple of
[1:52:06] people and get them to bid the low bid
[1:52:09] is MJG construction we have not worked
[1:52:12] with them they are relatively local out
[1:52:14] of Bon Spa we did call we have
[1:52:16] references they have worked with the
[1:52:17] county and they have worked with um a
[1:52:20] couple of the sub other main contractors
[1:52:23] on the project which is how they were
[1:52:26] called and referenced so um with all
[1:52:29] that said we were comfortable that they
[1:52:31] understand the job and be able to work
[1:52:33] uh from the other groups that are here
[1:52:35] they significantly lower than that Yep
[1:52:38] this
[1:52:40] uh this work is for the GCM this
[1:52:43] particular job is
[1:52:45] not two two lbers it's a it's a lot of
[1:52:49] repairing ceiling tiles and penetrations
[1:52:52] and things the majority of the work I
[1:52:53] mean if you were look at you had all the
[1:52:55] bids in front of you the hbac work is
[1:52:58] actually $1.3 million that's the HC CU
[1:53:01] that's the bulk of the work I don't even
[1:53:03] know if the plumbing component is small
[1:53:05] the electric component is small GC is
[1:53:07] small it's really Tak V AC job which is
[1:53:10] why we're having a hard time going and I
[1:53:12] would also think that um because the
[1:53:15] contractors know that this was the third
[1:53:17] bike at the Apple that they probably you
[1:53:21] know oh increased a little bit knowing
[1:53:24] that the city was in a bench uh and this
[1:53:26] contractor cly not as much but um like I
[1:53:30] say we we have faith in our references
[1:53:31] and the people that we talk to and we're
[1:53:33] looking forward to
[1:53:34] working thank you questions comments
[1:53:37] move this second all in favor
[1:53:40] I thank you thank you Mr
[1:53:44] R uh so the um next one is just is a
[1:53:49] ceremonial resolution recognizing Cancer
[1:53:52] month which is October something we
[1:53:54] generally try to do every year uh
[1:53:57] entertain a motion second all in favor
[1:54:01] and the next ceremonial resolution we
[1:54:03] all received an email from Business and
[1:54:05] Professional women asking for actually
[1:54:08] they ask for Proclamation but we do
[1:54:10] resolutions so um putting forth to do a
[1:54:12] resolution for the woman who's being
[1:54:13] honored this year for woman of the
[1:54:15] year uh what's her name Jennifer
[1:54:18] Hendrick fog so I'll Contin a motion so
[1:54:21] Mo second all in
[1:54:23] favor item number six is a reminder of
[1:54:26] the ceremony renaming of a portion of
[1:54:28] Barrett street from Heron Street to the
[1:54:30] intersection of South Avenue to Marlene
[1:54:32] Hill way there was a public hearing held
[1:54:34] on oh excuse me the public hearing will
[1:54:37] be held on
[1:54:38] 923 Mr M there no that's all right thank
[1:54:41] you just a reminder public hearing is uh
[1:54:44] next Monday 700 p.m. okay thank you and
[1:54:48] I would like to ask the uh council's
[1:54:50] Indulgence to um
[1:54:52] forward a couple more um resolutions I
[1:54:54] just actually came forward one of them
[1:54:57] if you read yesterday's paper there's a
[1:54:59] young man who currently resides in our city uh James Jac Thomas who's been
[1:55:04] inducted into the Hall of Fame as we
[1:55:07] speak uh so want to be able to recognize
[1:55:10] him with the ceremonial
[1:55:12] resolution so Mo second all in
[1:55:16] favor and then additionally also this
[1:55:19] weekend I was um um someone reached out
[1:55:21] to me September is suicide prevention
[1:55:23] month but for whatever reason they're
[1:55:25] not having their walk until October 6th
[1:55:28] so um called and wanted to it it's their
[1:55:31] 10year anniversary of their walk in the
[1:55:32] city of skincity so um and this would
[1:55:35] actually be presented at the walk so um
[1:55:37] just asking for a motion on this
[1:55:41] resolution second all in favor thank you
[1:55:45] madam president since you're Ting here I
[1:55:47] think we all missed that Hispanic heras
[1:55:49] month it celebrated um member 15 to
[1:55:53] October 15 so I would like to ask that
[1:55:55] we add that also and you you'll reach
[1:55:57] out to somebody to come because having
[1:55:58] that issue since we're adding you know
[1:56:00] let's not leave anybody out so I would
[1:56:02] like to ask for a CR for Hispanic
[1:56:05] Heritage
[1:56:07] Month second all those in
[1:56:10] favor okay uh the remainder of the items
[1:56:13] are in executive session for property
[1:56:18] sales so I entertain a motion to go to
[1:56:21] Executive session move second all in
[1:56:23] favor I we're in executive session
[1:56:25] members of the public will have to leave
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