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Council committee meeting for Monday

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October 7th 2024 the first committee is

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Public Safety I'd like to call the

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Public Safety Committee to order we have

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two items on the agenda tonight the

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first of which is the bja fiscal year

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2024 bulletproof best partnership Grant

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uh Lieutenant

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no good

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evening so the bulletproof uh best

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partnership um Grant 19

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essentially provides us or affords US

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the opportunity uh to equip our officers

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with both through vest uh ultimately

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this year they are giving us

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$3,442

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74 we are required 50% match by the city

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this will give us a total of 46 V for

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bestest this

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year um and the police department

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recommends the acceptance of the bja

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grant award

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thank you any questions or comments

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hearing on may have a motion I'll move

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it I'll second all those in favor I I

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the next item which is the New York

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State DMV gtsc Grant award for fiscal

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year 2025 you tell yes thank you so this

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one is a total Grant Award of

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$46,000 uh this requires no matching

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funds by the city and ultimately What it

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lets us do is it hires overtime and we

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can focus our efforts um on increasing

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seat belt usage reducing dangerous

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driving behaviors with the ultimate goal

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of reducing serious injuries and death

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from traffic

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crashes thank you any questions or

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comments Mr Patrick I just want was

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wondering in terms of the um amount on

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the grant which is not that high but um

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that allows for additional enforcement

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do you think that that will help at all

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when we um hopefully reduce the speed

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limit um there's been question about

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yeah absolutely everything uh that we do

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is is is um by and large backed up by

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statistics so we know where the hotpots

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are in the city and that's exactly what

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happens we'll hire for get out to go to

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these hot spots and hot spots in terms

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of um basically crashes or speeding um

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so we'll go to those spots and it's

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described in the grant when we hire it

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every year where we're actually going to

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deploy the eff so we already have a

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pretty good idea where we're going to be

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going for that year so to answer your

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question directly I do believe it'll

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reduce that um crashes and take out

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thank you so it says that the effective

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date is October 1 um and you have to

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sign the um contract before it's in

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effect so clearly we're pass October 1st

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so will you still be able to is there a

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end date so or basically I want to know

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we have the opportunity to spend the

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money in time because we're a little bit

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behind getting started that's right yes

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we can spend it um and the lieutenant

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charge of traffic ultimately manages the

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grant as far as the financial

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responsibility and he reports on it

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every Court so that's right all right

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thank you any other questions or

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comments hearing on a motion I'll move

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it I'll second it all those in favor I

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there any other items to Public Safety

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hearing n have motion for he so move

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I'll second all those in favor I I we

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are uh so uh Mr mudar couldn't be with

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us this evening so I will be calling

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finance committee to order we have um

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seven items on the agenda and the first

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item uh is regarding the code

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enforcement fee increases and uh Mr trcy

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yes um you could come

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up thank

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second

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that Brian treny chief insector from

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City concy and I'm here to propose some

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fee increases for

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COD I'd like to start by uh with these

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fee increases we want to be able to

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cover operational costs of the services

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we provide here in the city and uh

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the last documented increases were in

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mid90s with some small increases in

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2017 since these changes salaries have

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nearly double across the board the

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administrative salaries and um code

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enforcement officer salaries and the

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cost of Labor and supplies have risen

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significantly allware normal inflation

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that has taken place and with that

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inflation uh

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the supplies and um labor have

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increased uh application process is very

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expensive and uh along with that um the

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cost to process those applications and

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initiate these permits get quite

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expensive um theant the advancement of

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technology is is great but does come out

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a

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cost

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um there there are often fees uh for

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requests that uh for reporting and these uh requests you know they they are

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we get build for those requests so

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there's some uh costs that are incurred

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there our regulatory council is

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constantly evolving to keep up the uh

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certifications and uh so you know based

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on this uh you know we try to keep up

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with our training and certifications and

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um this this gets hard to handle so U

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you know it is necessary to increase

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these you know keep up with the

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certification and the training uh we

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uh we have some

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we we do want to hire uh we want to hire

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qualified Personnel to uh perform

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thorough inspections to make sure that

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we have safe structures in the city and

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along with that um comes some added

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costs and we need to increase fees to

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keep up with the this

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Staffing so um you know based on that um

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our current permit fee structure is um

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in need of coming up to date and

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increasing these

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fees so I have done some analysis with

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neighboring communities and uh you know

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with Albany and Troy being The Benchmark

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of neighboring cities um and you know

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with these with this analysis and these

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comparisons uh you know we are still

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with the imposed fees that are proposed

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we will still be on the low side there's

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a graph here that shows uh that we will

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still be on the low side of the uh the

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fees that are proposed

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so have

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that um with that being said I think to

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get to the fee

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structure

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um we had highlighted I'd like to go

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over with the um structure we had here

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on the left highlighted in yellow uh we

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have our current fee structure and on

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the right in green all the proposed fee

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increases are highlighted in red um I

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did do some permit fee samples here um

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on the left showing our current costs

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for projects that um take place in the

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city and on the right the adjusted fees

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for uh permits that will be in place

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with the prop osed fee increases so I

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started off with a residential uh job

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cost of

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$10,000 and we you can see on the left

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we have a a fee of

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$156 and uh you know with the new

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proposed fee increases uh we'd be at 205

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with comparable

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permit moving on to um

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$100,000 project uh we go from $66

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$835 um moving on we do have some um

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high level projects in in the city and

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um for a million doll project we'd have

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a permit cost of

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$246 and that would move to

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$3,535 um suppose we had a $50 million

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events that are being built in the city

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um you see we had a $100,000 4

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$1,461

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15,6 a project like that would be able

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to cover third party third party firms

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to come in and uh you know do our review

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process on a large project like that

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plus we would be able to cover uh

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internally our involvement in the

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project like that so um you know this

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would be the bread and butter of the

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free fee increases

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um and I'll move on and we'll show some

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further

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increases um we have some fee increases

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we have some fees proposed that didn't

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exist

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being um some certificates and these

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require some staffing uh costs that you

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know we were not getting compensated for

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in the past and um we show some of them

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here um I won't go every over everything

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in detail but it is detailed in the uh

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report that you have there and I I

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expect you'll review it and go over that

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in

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detail so uh you know the primary

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justifications for the fee increases are

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uh advances in

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technology um we would like to uh you

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know cover costs of City operations and

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uh future development inter in the

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department so um this will uh you know

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help growth

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of our staffing in the city and F out C

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cost I would like to open it up to any

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questions or

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comments it's Miss patri

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oh sorry I was forgetting I was

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Mr Mr thank you so so um do you and I

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know that there's a lot of variables

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that would go into this but is there

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like any projections of like how much

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you know increase Revenue that would

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mean for the saf like annually

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so in your report um in your report it

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would show that there was approximately

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a 200 $100,000 increase okay for the

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year

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2024 and we also show um some increases

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that would happen all the way up to back

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to 2020 okay yep okay it's in the I

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believe it's

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$235,000 in the year

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2024 and there's been stability with the

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amount perit process since

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2020 pretty much across the board set

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first fight in 2021 du Co

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and high level of improvements to

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properties that were done with Co taking

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place other than that we've been very

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consistent withs um so I believe that

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figure would be very similar in 2025 and

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beond

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okay all questions Mr Williams so um

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thank you for the presentation I think

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there's a very important emphasis on

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education and enforcement if you would

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be able to speak to just the status of

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how many permits are submitted annually

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and if that's an accurate reflection of

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the work that's being done and also like

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do you feel confident in the enforcement

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that you're able to support enforcing

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these

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decase so the amount of permits that are

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processed annually are near

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3,000 um I believe with these fee

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increases we'll be able to staff

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properly and we'll be be able to do a

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more thorough job with our inspections

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and have safer structures in the city

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thank

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you other

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questions so on on the last page that

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you had it up there on the certificate

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licensing certificate of completion

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certificate of compliance So currently

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there's no fees can can you explain what

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a certificate completion is that

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currently previously had no fee and now

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there is a fee so certificate completion

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is is when a job is done M um and

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inspections are all completed M and the

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job is completed and a final inspection

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is completed and passed a certificate

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completion ensures that it it's a

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certificate that says that that job is

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completed or completed properly and not

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to code so just to be clear you're um

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increasing you're you're increasing the

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time for to pull permit in the first

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place is that is that correct uh

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increasing what the fine to pull the

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permit the fee to pull the permit the

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fine Fe yes ma'am yes and then in

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addition to that adding another fee to

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then close out your job um a certificate

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of completion is only uh given processed

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and given upon request of the applicant

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of the permit holder uh we don't that's

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not given out um on every single job so

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only upon

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request so could you just tell me why

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someone would want other and other

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people just like I don't we really care

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um there's a number of reasons they

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could want that it's for um show that

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they're company maybe for marketing

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reasons on their own behalf um it could

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be for banks it could be for financing

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um there's a multitude of reasons um

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that they could want that right and so

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these done by the city these are done by

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code enforcement staff administrative

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staff code enforcement there's no third

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party inspection that needs to be done

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outside of this correct okay thank you

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other

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questions down there Mr just for the for

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the council um I propose I submitted

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proposed draft legislation in the in the

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uh in the packets for this week and uh

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that would some of the proposed fee changes require

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code changes and they're they're they're

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covered in that Omnibus ordinance that

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goes through all those code changes

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others just require a uh resolution um

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and that uh for for for the code if you

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adopt that resolution with the attached

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fees schedule the fees are adopted so

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I'm going through the proposed fee

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schedule with the building inspector I

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was able to take the ones out requireed

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code

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uh uh amendments and then there's there's other one that just

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requires a resolution with the uh with

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the fee schedule attached and uh if you

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wish to proceed on this you need to have

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a a public hearing and it would be a

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public hearing on all all all

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matters would be the amendment of the

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code any sort of Bill in would be

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referred to as in increase in building

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fee building code Codes fees you know it

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would have all the

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sections uh of the code that are going

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to be amended but it would be just

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one group uh because it is one category

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it's it's building codes fees and just

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like you've just been given the

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presentation here um that's how it'll be

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presented to the public in in this fee

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scheduled that are proposed so you can

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call for a public hearing for uh for the 28th the resolution would have to be

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passed next week and then and the uh

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the fee schedule would be the the 28th

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would be the public hearing and then the

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uh and then the

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U if you decide to adopt the ordinances

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you can adopt the ordinances and the

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effective day for the fee schedules will

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be January 1 so you can work those

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figures into your budget analysis okay

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that's that's an important point so um

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discussion regarding so we have in front

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of us in our packet uh tonight the

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resolution that Mr O'Brien has um

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prepared to have a public hearing on

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October 28th so um would folks like to

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move forward with that um with well so

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right now we're just calling for the

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public hearing we're not passing

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anything right that's what I'm saying

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but I mean just want to it's not on our

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you know agenda so I just wanted to um

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the public hearing is on the agenda this

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one is not no it's it's it's a

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resolution it's part of the presentation

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so right now you want to call for the

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public hearing a public hearing yeah and

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then you'll have it on the 28th with the

385
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resolution next week okay I do have

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another question okay under the working

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without permits previously it was just

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doubl fines so now you want fees so now

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you want to double the fees and charge

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an additional $100 is that or 100 uh for

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a residential 200 for a commercial so a

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an additional fee on top of the double

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FES yes that's good okay

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just other

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questions just even even with that we

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still um I appreciate the comparative

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analysis that you did with

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municipalities and it seems like we

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still would be under yeah these are uh

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these are with so those comparisons are

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done with the proposed fee changes not

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before so me we're

403
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still lower than our neighboring cities

404
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any other questions if not I'll call for

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a motion for um this public hearing that

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would be held on October

407
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28th thank

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you okay

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second I'll second it all in favor all

410
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right okay thank

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you next item on the agenda is um the

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reminder for the public hearing for the

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2025 proposed operating budget and

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capital budget for the city is conect

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and this is just a reminder that the

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public hearing will be held on October

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15th

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2024 next item is a reminder of a public

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hearing to amend

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sections 12413 and

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12422 of the SKC city code increasing

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administrative fees regarding false

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alarm calls and that public hearing will

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be on October 15 2024 Mr O'Brien yes I

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just have a question regarding the the

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council's uh uh position on this I

427
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provided uh in there a draft a draft

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ordinance which indicated the from from

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the committee meeting last last time of

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the reduction from four to two false

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alarms y um but I wasn't sure and I just

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highlighted there but I didn't put any

433
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bracketed language in uh those those

434
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highlighted Parts in section e the

435
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bottom part of your paragraph there

436
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those are the the the current Fe I

437
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didn't know whether or not you wanted to

438
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change those fees down below I I

439
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highlighted

440
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them the uh the two four Force four for

441
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false alarms goes down to two but I was

442
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uncertain whether you wanted to change

443
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those fee amounts that you see there

444
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2550 and 75 I didn't know whether that

445
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you wanted to change that or not they're

446
00:27:20,399 --> 00:27:22,480
highlighted but not

447
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amended I don't think there's any

448
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discussion about uh increasing the fees

449
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but just lowering the um the number of

450
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times

451
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okay okay yes I

452
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mean Mr Williams yeah know correct me if

453
00:27:37,640 --> 00:27:39,640
I'm wrong um M Patrick I thought last

454
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time we all to speak for myself I

455
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thought that the fees that they

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currently stand were relatively low and

457
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I was under the impression we didn't

458
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have to put in place any specific

459
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amounts because the public hearing as it

460
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was listed identified that there would

461
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be subsequent changes in the future is

462
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that correct um I think we were was

463
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doing the public hearing for the changes

464
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overall and I think the idea was when we

465
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came back here tonight you would revisit

466
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that to see whether or not you wanted to

467
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change those numbers in that part of the

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uh

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formula no hand oh

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sorry um so discussion about that um in

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terms of raising these

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fees Mr Farley yeah I could be remember

473
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correctly during the presentation that

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we had I thought that there was

475
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discussion I thought there was a

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suggested fee increase with that I agree

477
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I I could be remembering that wrong but it's not reflected here

478
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yeah so I

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don't I don't know if a final number

480
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came V and I know it was you know was

481
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discussion on it but I don't think it

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was

483
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formalized we don't have any no we don't

484
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to tell us about that so well this is

485
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can we call for the what's your question

486
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whether we wanted to raise these fees

487
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for false

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alans if you look to cover the expenses

489
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and again we're taking the number of

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calls and reducing it for the fees so

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it's kind of like the freebies in there

492
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but it's expensive to put a piece of

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fire apparatus at a scene there's

494
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virtually no call where we send out one

495
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piece of

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apparatus

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uh around this like 400 50

498
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$550 at minimum per piece of again

499
00:29:34,159 --> 00:29:37,039
apparatus police calls can be widely

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variant from it's a oneman car going

501
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there it's a two-man car going

502
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there or multiple cars so these fees do

503
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not cover the cost of delivering the

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service and at the same time we're very

505
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cognizant of what our good faith efforts

506
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so that uh people wouldn't be assessed

507
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uh think example uh in the spring and

508
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fall you get uh it gets cooler outside

509
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you'll get uh humidity so somebody's

510
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using a closed dryer sobody might be

511
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home they don't expect it uh it

512
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will go outside and the air will

513
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condense so it'll look like could be

514
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smoke it's really just steam you know if

515
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a neighbor is calling that in as a fire

516
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we would still treat that as a good

517
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faith MH uh response so that there would

518
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be no assessment for that type of call

519
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it's where you get uh people who have

520
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alarm systems that are overly sensitive

521
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or flawed in some way so that uh uh the

522
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dog jumps up against the door rattles it

523
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and the contacts on the alarm vary so

524
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you trip an alarm again we do it a

525
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couple times it's fine when it's

526
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multiple times we're again looking to be

527
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able to put resources where they're

528
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really needed and how do you incentivize

529
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people to be

530
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compliant uh and uh do it so the numbers

531
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that are in place are low

532
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M The Proposal is to reduce the number

533
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of free

534
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times but uh again it's up to the

535
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council in terms of an actual be

536
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structure to look to cover those Mr so

537
00:31:31,200 --> 00:31:32,679
at this point I mean we could go call

538
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for public hearing and then I forgot

539
00:31:34,360 --> 00:31:35,840
which officer it was that brought this

540
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forward

541
00:31:40,120 --> 00:31:43,600
um yeah no I'm saying was officer so we

542
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can still go forward with the public

543
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hearing and they could we could then

544
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have a discussion after that in terms of

545
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increasing fees if that if that's what

546
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the council is inclined to

547
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do okay Mr you can yeah have the public

548
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you have the public hear next week what

549
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happens and then revisit in two weeks

550
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and then uh finalize that we want to

551
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know whether we going to charge

552
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penalties before the public I mean would

553
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we want the public to be able to respond

554
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to the fees as part of the public

555
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hearing Mr Williams but that's I'm

556
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pretty sure in the way the public

557
00:32:16,080 --> 00:32:19,279
hearing was written was to identify that

558
00:32:19,279 --> 00:32:22,960
these fee increases were subject to

559
00:32:22,960 --> 00:32:25,639
change'll be public comment and you can

560
00:32:25,639 --> 00:32:28,559
visit in two weeks and then

561
00:32:28,559 --> 00:32:30,880
and we'll see what the the comments are

562
00:32:30,880 --> 00:32:31,919
and

563
00:32:31,919 --> 00:32:35,760
then get more information so can I just

564
00:32:35,760 --> 00:32:38,080
ask on these fees that you highlighted

565
00:32:38,080 --> 00:32:39,720
here those are the current those are

566
00:32:39,720 --> 00:32:42,159
current okay right okay Mr Williams and

567
00:32:42,159 --> 00:32:43,919
then just as a a point of reference I

568
00:32:43,919 --> 00:32:45,799
wanted to appreciate the mayor's comment

569
00:32:45,799 --> 00:32:48,519
um and also is a point of clarification

570
00:32:48,519 --> 00:32:50,440
I I yield to the understanding that

571
00:32:50,440 --> 00:32:52,760
we'll never be able to fully recruit the

572
00:32:52,760 --> 00:32:56,039
funds or the the me costs and the

573
00:32:56,039 --> 00:32:58,200
response true response cost of

574
00:32:58,200 --> 00:33:00,399
responding to any of these instances I

575
00:33:00,399 --> 00:33:03,399
think it's just having a stronger uh

576
00:33:03,399 --> 00:33:06,039
fine structure or fee structure for just

577
00:33:06,039 --> 00:33:09,399
the continued um misuse of this response

578
00:33:09,399 --> 00:33:11,600
from our city just because we to your

579
00:33:11,600 --> 00:33:13,559
point again it takes a considerable

580
00:33:13,559 --> 00:33:15,639
effort to respond to any any of these

581
00:33:15,639 --> 00:33:18,159
instances and even with the reduction in

582
00:33:18,159 --> 00:33:19,760
a number of the freebies as you

583
00:33:19,760 --> 00:33:21,399
highlighted I still think there needs to

584
00:33:21,399 --> 00:33:25,279
be more more of a a steeper uh Financial

585
00:33:25,279 --> 00:33:26,440
or

586
00:33:26,440 --> 00:33:28,519
monetary effects

587
00:33:28,519 --> 00:33:31,600
mhm okay any other questions or comments

588
00:33:31,600 --> 00:33:33,320
All right so that public hearing will be

589
00:33:33,320 --> 00:33:36,720
held on October 15th so next item on the

590
00:33:36,720 --> 00:33:39,399
agenda is um also calling for a public

591
00:33:39,399 --> 00:33:41,320
hearing and this one is uh public

592
00:33:41,320 --> 00:33:44,279
hearing to amend section 927 of this

593
00:33:44,279 --> 00:33:46,399
connected city code increasing fees and

594
00:33:46,399 --> 00:33:49,919
charges for Police Department Records um

595
00:33:49,919 --> 00:33:51,480
that public hearing will also be on

596
00:33:51,480 --> 00:33:56,200
October 15 2024 any comments or

597
00:33:56,200 --> 00:34:00,120
questions Okay so next item is um a

598
00:34:00,120 --> 00:34:03,039
reminder uh that we also will be having

599
00:34:03,039 --> 00:34:05,840
a public hearing to discuss amending

600
00:34:05,840 --> 00:34:07,679
city code

601
00:34:07,679 --> 00:34:11,839
14414 C increasing dog license fees and

602
00:34:11,839 --> 00:34:13,599
that public hearing will be on October

603
00:34:13,599 --> 00:34:14,919
15

604
00:34:14,919 --> 00:34:17,480
2024 any comments or

605
00:34:17,480 --> 00:34:20,919
questions okay and uh the next public

606
00:34:20,919 --> 00:34:25,040
hearing uh reminder is uh to amend

607
00:34:25,040 --> 00:34:26,659
excuse me section

608
00:34:26,659 --> 00:34:27,960
[Music]

609
00:34:27,960 --> 00:34:30,440
of the connected city code increasing

610
00:34:30,440 --> 00:34:33,280
parking violation fines and that public

611
00:34:33,280 --> 00:34:36,560
hearing will be on uh October 15

612
00:34:36,560 --> 00:34:40,800
2024 um and any comments or questions on

613
00:34:40,800 --> 00:34:44,399
that okay so our last item uh for

614
00:34:44,399 --> 00:34:47,520
finance committee tonight is uh M barage

615
00:34:47,520 --> 00:34:49,599
is going to update us about the tax

616
00:34:49,599 --> 00:34:52,599
foreclosure process M barage um we have

617
00:34:52,599 --> 00:34:54,839
requested that uh this item be removed

618
00:34:54,839 --> 00:34:56,400
and we so compiled

619
00:34:56,400 --> 00:34:59,079
information okay yes thank you so two

620
00:34:59,079 --> 00:35:00,680
weeks could we bring it back or will you

621
00:35:00,680 --> 00:35:03,520
let us know I'll let you know okay okay

622
00:35:03,520 --> 00:35:06,000
thank you all right so that was the last

623
00:35:06,000 --> 00:35:07,839
item on the agenda unless there's other

624
00:35:07,839 --> 00:35:10,480
items to come forward I'd like to have a

625
00:35:10,480 --> 00:35:12,760
uh call for

626
00:35:12,760 --> 00:35:17,040
uh coming out of finance committee uh

627
00:35:17,040 --> 00:35:19,920
motion was thank you I'll second all in

628
00:35:19,920 --> 00:35:23,520
favor I I okay thank you okay at this

629
00:35:23,520 --> 00:35:24,920
time I like to call the order government

630
00:35:24,920 --> 00:35:27,880
operations we have one agenda item and

631
00:35:27,880 --> 00:35:31,160
that the appointment of Naim Abol

632
00:35:31,160 --> 00:35:33,800
Alexander Bland and the reappointment of

633
00:35:33,800 --> 00:35:38,800
Randall Beach to the Planning Commission mayor MTH thank you Mr

634
00:35:38,800 --> 00:35:41,520
chairman those terms have expired there

635
00:35:41,520 --> 00:35:44,359
we've uh done some Outreach submitted

636
00:35:44,359 --> 00:35:47,680
names for your consideration to

637
00:35:47,680 --> 00:35:51,119
uh continue that board's good work and

638
00:35:51,119 --> 00:35:53,800
appreciate your favorable

639
00:35:53,800 --> 00:35:55,960
consideration any questions or comments

640
00:35:55,960 --> 00:35:56,640
on

641
00:35:56,640 --> 00:35:59,640
that president pfield I have a question

642
00:35:59,640 --> 00:36:02,000
um one of the people that that um mayor

643
00:36:02,000 --> 00:36:04,119
that you put forward to consider is uh a

644
00:36:04,119 --> 00:36:06,920
former employee and I know that the last

645
00:36:06,920 --> 00:36:09,359
time that we put forth a former employee

646
00:36:09,359 --> 00:36:11,880
to be named to a board that that moved

647
00:36:11,880 --> 00:36:15,400
forward and was vetoed so um I just I'm

648
00:36:15,400 --> 00:36:17,680
not clear why you know why we're having

649
00:36:17,680 --> 00:36:20,319
different considerations now than we did

650
00:36:20,319 --> 00:36:23,280
um a few months ago which when is that

651
00:36:23,280 --> 00:36:26,200
um I don't think I need to say that well

652
00:36:26,200 --> 00:36:27,880
somebody in the Corporation Council

653
00:36:27,880 --> 00:36:30,520
office who you know litigating items

654
00:36:30,520 --> 00:36:33,480
with the city uh you'd like to get into

655
00:36:33,480 --> 00:36:35,640
a lot more detail more than willing to

656
00:36:35,640 --> 00:36:38,599
do that I I would because um this

657
00:36:38,599 --> 00:36:41,880
individual had a very um had a pretty um

658
00:36:41,880 --> 00:36:44,760
High uh position I'm more than happy to

659
00:36:44,760 --> 00:36:46,560
put together a full presentation of the

660
00:36:46,560 --> 00:36:48,319
conflict of interests that exists with

661
00:36:48,319 --> 00:36:51,640
that and the Far Below

662
00:36:51,640 --> 00:36:55,400
professional uh performance of that

663
00:36:55,400 --> 00:36:58,119
individual in the you're hanging had on

664
00:36:58,119 --> 00:37:01,280
that it's the wrong one these are good

665
00:37:01,280 --> 00:37:03,839
people they're going to be able to do

666
00:37:03,839 --> 00:37:05,960
the job and would ask the council's

667
00:37:05,960 --> 00:37:09,000
consideration for these individuals so

668
00:37:09,000 --> 00:37:11,440
um I I think that I have a right to my

669
00:37:11,440 --> 00:37:13,640
opinion and and so say hanging my hand

670
00:37:13,640 --> 00:37:15,359
on it it's a question that something

671
00:37:15,359 --> 00:37:18,280
happened I'm bringing it forward so I

672
00:37:18,280 --> 00:37:19,680
don't think the fact that I'm bringing

673
00:37:19,680 --> 00:37:21,319
forward means that I'm hanging my hand

674
00:37:21,319 --> 00:37:22,680
on it means I'm bringing a question

675
00:37:22,680 --> 00:37:25,000
forward and I have the right to do that

676
00:37:25,000 --> 00:37:26,760
so um and I'm not questioning whether

677
00:37:26,760 --> 00:37:28,000
they're good people or not so please

678
00:37:28,000 --> 00:37:29,200
don't put it out there like I'm saying

679
00:37:29,200 --> 00:37:30,560
that they're not good people that's not

680
00:37:30,560 --> 00:37:32,440
what I'm saying at all I'm simply saying

681
00:37:32,440 --> 00:37:35,000
that there was an individual who was a a

682
00:37:35,000 --> 00:37:37,839
former employee who in a high position

683
00:37:37,839 --> 00:37:39,760
and this person was all similarly in a

684
00:37:39,760 --> 00:37:41,680
high position not the same department so

685
00:37:41,680 --> 00:37:46,109
I'll for the next cycle do a full

686
00:37:46,119 --> 00:37:48,040
presentation that's entirely up to you

687
00:37:48,040 --> 00:37:51,240
but certainly that's certainly my

688
00:37:51,240 --> 00:37:53,839
question and I don't have any um any

689
00:37:53,839 --> 00:37:55,119
concern with any of the others that

690
00:37:55,119 --> 00:38:01,550
wasn't was a concern that I had

691
00:38:01,560 --> 00:38:03,280
thank you um knowing the three

692
00:38:03,280 --> 00:38:04,960
individuals that that the mayor put

693
00:38:04,960 --> 00:38:07,160
forward I was especially excited about

694
00:38:07,160 --> 00:38:09,920
Naim only because he worked in uh for

695
00:38:09,920 --> 00:38:11,920
the city for for many years still works

696
00:38:11,920 --> 00:38:14,200
in that uh same uh department for

697
00:38:14,200 --> 00:38:16,720
another municipality so I think having

698
00:38:16,720 --> 00:38:19,040
him on the board is invaluable as as

699
00:38:19,040 --> 00:38:22,119
well as Ali and the U and Randle so

700
00:38:22,119 --> 00:38:24,079
that's I have to say Thank

701
00:38:24,079 --> 00:38:27,560
you so again I I you know I refrain from

702
00:38:27,560 --> 00:38:28,839
saying an individual's name because this

703
00:38:28,839 --> 00:38:31,760
is not about individuals so just to be

704
00:38:31,760 --> 00:38:35,000
clear and my question is about the

705
00:38:35,000 --> 00:38:37,000
consistency of appointing people that's

706
00:38:37,000 --> 00:38:38,560
it so that's why I didn't mention their

707
00:38:38,560 --> 00:38:41,240
name well they're right here it's here

708
00:38:41,240 --> 00:38:42,760
for us it's not here for everyone that's

709
00:38:42,760 --> 00:38:45,960
listening right now so um so that that

710
00:38:45,960 --> 00:38:47,240
was my

711
00:38:47,240 --> 00:38:49,599
question so it seems that the the

712
00:38:49,599 --> 00:38:52,920
question is is um more about process not

713
00:38:52,920 --> 00:38:56,400
uh the person okay okay that's Point

714
00:38:56,400 --> 00:38:58,119
Clarity okay

715
00:38:58,119 --> 00:39:00,280
um any other questions comments or

716
00:39:00,280 --> 00:39:02,000
concerns around

717
00:39:02,000 --> 00:39:04,440
us and that's the just for the record

718
00:39:04,440 --> 00:39:05,640
that's the only one that I'm question

719
00:39:05,640 --> 00:39:07,480
only because everybody else doesn't have

720
00:39:07,480 --> 00:39:14,230
that same kind of conflict that that person does

721
00:39:14,240 --> 00:39:19,349
okay any other questions comments on

722
00:39:19,359 --> 00:39:23,160
this so at this point maybe we

723
00:39:23,160 --> 00:39:26,920
uh entertain a motion um to maybe we

724
00:39:26,920 --> 00:39:29,319
treat these all of them separately and

725
00:39:29,319 --> 00:39:31,640
then Corporation Council with

726
00:39:31,640 --> 00:39:33,920
that's the appropriate

727
00:39:33,920 --> 00:39:36,280
respons um the members of the committee

728
00:39:36,280 --> 00:39:38,839
who the members of the committee can

729
00:39:38,839 --> 00:39:40,960
make a motion to

730
00:39:40,960 --> 00:39:43,160
uh however you know you've got three

731
00:39:43,160 --> 00:39:44,920
candidates if you want two out of three

732
00:39:44,920 --> 00:39:46,560
you can do two out of three and just

733
00:39:46,560 --> 00:39:50,000
leave the one for the next time or you

734
00:39:50,000 --> 00:39:52,920
can do three as a as as a complete and

735
00:39:52,920 --> 00:39:57,520
then have a vote on the all three at the uh on the council meeting on

736
00:39:57,520 --> 00:40:00,839
Monday night you want to vote two out or

737
00:40:00,839 --> 00:40:03,359
three out it's up to it's up to what how

738
00:40:03,359 --> 00:40:05,960
the committee wants to do it just be

739
00:40:05,960 --> 00:40:07,599
clear I'm asking for affirmative

740
00:40:07,599 --> 00:40:11,270
consideration for all

741
00:40:11,280 --> 00:40:15,680
three I'm I'm comfortable moving to out

742
00:40:15,680 --> 00:40:19,870
today okay

743
00:40:19,880 --> 00:40:25,240
and so I think that um just based

744
00:40:25,240 --> 00:40:27,880
on committee members that are here right

745
00:40:27,880 --> 00:40:31,160
now is myself and presin Porterfield um

746
00:40:31,160 --> 00:40:32,960
I think

747
00:40:32,960 --> 00:40:35,720
the what I need to do right now because

748
00:40:35,720 --> 00:40:37,880
if we try to move all three of them

749
00:40:37,880 --> 00:40:39,440
forward I think president porteri has

750
00:40:39,440 --> 00:40:41,000
been very clear that she's concerned

751
00:40:41,000 --> 00:40:42,520
around the process and consistency of

752
00:40:42,520 --> 00:40:45,160
the process so if we attempt to move all

753
00:40:45,160 --> 00:40:46,560
three of them out I don't think that

754
00:40:46,560 --> 00:40:49,839
we'll be successful doing that

755
00:40:49,839 --> 00:40:53,359
so I would like to entertain a motion to

756
00:40:53,359 --> 00:40:56,240
um move um it would

757
00:40:56,240 --> 00:40:59,280
be Alexandra Glenn and the reappointment

758
00:40:59,280 --> 00:41:03,440
of Randle Beach to to the uh planning

759
00:41:03,440 --> 00:41:06,800
commissioner I'll second that can I make

760
00:41:06,800 --> 00:41:09,680
a comment please um I I actually um do

761
00:41:09,680 --> 00:41:11,680
feel I just do want to say that I think

762
00:41:11,680 --> 00:41:13,560
that n would be excellent on this

763
00:41:13,560 --> 00:41:15,440
committee and I do think that there's a

764
00:41:15,440 --> 00:41:17,720
difference between the previous

765
00:41:17,720 --> 00:41:19,680
discussion in terms of the

766
00:41:19,680 --> 00:41:22,880
employee um and uh the former employee

767
00:41:22,880 --> 00:41:24,319
that's being discussed here so I just

768
00:41:24,319 --> 00:41:26,079
want to go on record and say that I

769
00:41:26,079 --> 00:41:29,240
think that all three should be

770
00:41:29,240 --> 00:41:32,040
appointed thank you for that and I

771
00:41:32,040 --> 00:41:34,040
respect your opinion but my but that's

772
00:41:34,040 --> 00:41:36,079
my opinion and I just wanted you know

773
00:41:36,079 --> 00:41:37,839
the process it's about the process and I

774
00:41:37,839 --> 00:41:39,680
want to continually make it clear it's

775
00:41:39,680 --> 00:41:42,119
not about the individual I also

776
00:41:42,119 --> 00:41:43,480
obviously know the individual as well

777
00:41:43,480 --> 00:41:44,640
when he worked for the city and did a

778
00:41:44,640 --> 00:41:47,440
fine job but I'm talking about the

779
00:41:47,440 --> 00:41:51,280
process okay so I I think what we're

780
00:41:51,280 --> 00:41:53,560
talking about here again is about the

781
00:41:53,560 --> 00:41:56,319
process not the person um and so what

782
00:41:56,319 --> 00:41:58,319
we'll do is uh

783
00:41:58,319 --> 00:42:00,920
I'll second there I second it okay oh

784
00:42:00,920 --> 00:42:02,119
I'll make the motion I can make the

785
00:42:02,119 --> 00:42:04,400
motion I made the motion okay I second

786
00:42:04,400 --> 00:42:06,599
okay all those in favor

787
00:42:06,599 --> 00:42:08,960
I so we

788
00:42:08,960 --> 00:42:12,319
can Mr Mayor are you going to uh put

789
00:42:12,319 --> 00:42:13,720
together a presentation you were saying

790
00:42:13,720 --> 00:42:14,720
for the

791
00:42:14,720 --> 00:42:18,040
next to bring us back for this person is

792
00:42:18,040 --> 00:42:19,000
that what you were saying you're going

793
00:42:19,000 --> 00:42:22,920
to do well with the council presidents

794
00:42:22,920 --> 00:42:24,920
uh again names came forward that I

795
00:42:24,920 --> 00:42:28,720
considered really to be Court Choice the

796
00:42:28,720 --> 00:42:31,359
performance was substandard and I did

797
00:42:31,359 --> 00:42:34,160
not support them being moved on to a

798
00:42:34,160 --> 00:42:38,119
committee That's My Prerogative uh this

799
00:42:38,119 --> 00:42:40,240
terms of diversity you're holding up a

800
00:42:40,240 --> 00:42:42,680
name today it's the council's

801
00:42:42,680 --> 00:42:44,920
prerogative to do that go ahead and do

802
00:42:44,920 --> 00:42:47,839
it okay well I'm not I mean I'm not

803
00:42:47,839 --> 00:42:49,480
comfortable with the characterization of

804
00:42:49,480 --> 00:42:52,960
holding up a name as the council's um

805
00:42:52,960 --> 00:42:54,200
the actions that the council's taken

806
00:42:54,200 --> 00:42:56,280
today um that's why immediately was

807
00:42:56,280 --> 00:43:00,800
asking who was it and if it's I I I

808
00:43:00,800 --> 00:43:02,960
personally think that he would be um

809
00:43:02,960 --> 00:43:04,760
great to serve on on the board as well I

810
00:43:04,760 --> 00:43:06,680
think we're all in in agreement with

811
00:43:06,680 --> 00:43:07,920
that but I think that the that the

812
00:43:07,920 --> 00:43:09,440
question was about the process and if

813
00:43:09,440 --> 00:43:11,480
we're making um a certain set of

814
00:43:11,480 --> 00:43:14,000
calculations when it comes to um one

815
00:43:14,000 --> 00:43:16,040
individual then for in the act of

816
00:43:16,040 --> 00:43:18,000
consistency and integrity we're making

817
00:43:18,000 --> 00:43:20,000
asking the same questions for everyone

818
00:43:20,000 --> 00:43:22,000
and I think that that's you know and and

819
00:43:22,000 --> 00:43:23,400
if you were going to come bring for some

820
00:43:23,400 --> 00:43:25,040
more information Mr Mayor I think that

821
00:43:25,040 --> 00:43:27,880
then we'd be in a better was before the

822
00:43:27,880 --> 00:43:29,720
council in terms of process move the

823
00:43:29,720 --> 00:43:31,040
names

824
00:43:31,040 --> 00:43:33,040
forward you're not moving them all

825
00:43:33,040 --> 00:43:35,400
forward here that legislation came

826
00:43:35,400 --> 00:43:39,200
forward I vetoed portion of it so if you

827
00:43:39,200 --> 00:43:40,839
want to be consistent in the process you

828
00:43:40,839 --> 00:43:42,880
move them forward and then if I don't

829
00:43:42,880 --> 00:43:45,720
like them then I would veto it so again

830
00:43:45,720 --> 00:43:47,720
you're choosing to do something

831
00:43:47,720 --> 00:43:51,000
different than what was done before

832
00:43:51,000 --> 00:43:53,480
okay well that wouldn't make sense

833
00:43:53,480 --> 00:43:54,839
because these are names you brought

834
00:43:54,839 --> 00:43:56,559
forward so you wouldn't veto the names

835
00:43:56,559 --> 00:43:58,160
that you put for so I'm just asking for

836
00:43:58,160 --> 00:43:59,640
more information I'm not sure why that

837
00:43:59,640 --> 00:44:02,640
is you know um and it's it's the same

838
00:44:02,640 --> 00:44:04,040
proc I mean I'm talking about the

839
00:44:04,040 --> 00:44:05,319
process so for me to ask for more

840
00:44:05,319 --> 00:44:07,720
information as we do around this table

841
00:44:07,720 --> 00:44:11,280
consistently um I I don't see why that

842
00:44:11,280 --> 00:44:13,599
is really something that people have

843
00:44:13,599 --> 00:44:15,760
concerns

844
00:44:15,760 --> 00:44:18,760
with Miss Patrick I'm wondering whether

845
00:44:18,760 --> 00:44:25,150
um just bring this up I

846
00:44:25,160 --> 00:44:27,960
wonder I'm listening I wonder whether we

847
00:44:27,960 --> 00:44:30,760
could have separated a discussion around

848
00:44:30,760 --> 00:44:32,960
process in the

849
00:44:32,960 --> 00:44:36,720
future when we do this and these three

850
00:44:36,720 --> 00:44:39,480
names being brought forward here this

851
00:44:39,480 --> 00:44:41,800
evening since it sounds like the three

852
00:44:41,800 --> 00:44:44,640
names M um would probably have

853
00:44:44,640 --> 00:44:47,480
acceptance by I bet the majority of the

854
00:44:47,480 --> 00:44:49,839
council um if it was to come out of

855
00:44:49,839 --> 00:44:52,680
committee um so I just raised that point

856
00:44:52,680 --> 00:45:00,880
I'm not really sure yeah no if we can I would say that I think that that's the next best course of action is to

857
00:45:00,880 --> 00:45:03,119
kind of um is for us to examine that

858
00:45:03,119 --> 00:45:05,839
process and how and what uh questions

859
00:45:05,839 --> 00:45:08,760
are we asking um and why then I think

860
00:45:08,760 --> 00:45:10,359
that's

861
00:45:10,359 --> 00:45:13,400
a we need to do that obviously so we can

862
00:45:13,400 --> 00:45:14,760
have a better understanding before we

863
00:45:14,760 --> 00:45:17,280
get get to the point get to this point

864
00:45:17,280 --> 00:45:19,880
uh Mr I I think it's worth noting I

865
00:45:19,880 --> 00:45:22,160
think to to Patrick's Point I don't know

866
00:45:22,160 --> 00:45:24,359
how beneficial a conversation before

867
00:45:24,359 --> 00:45:27,079
would have been because it was only at

868
00:45:27,079 --> 00:45:28,599
this point that it became like an

869
00:45:28,599 --> 00:45:30,760
highlighted issue of concern by Mr

870
00:45:30,760 --> 00:45:33,079
Quarterfield not words in your mouth uh

871
00:45:33,079 --> 00:45:35,480
I truly believe in transparency so if

872
00:45:35,480 --> 00:45:37,200
the mayor had additional uh

873
00:45:37,200 --> 00:45:39,839
considerations for his choice previously

874
00:45:39,839 --> 00:45:42,160
I would appreciate that insight and I

875
00:45:42,160 --> 00:45:46,319
think as a checks and balances uh that

876
00:45:46,319 --> 00:45:48,839
deeper analysis helps me personally

877
00:45:48,839 --> 00:45:51,040
understand how that decision making goes

878
00:45:51,040 --> 00:45:52,720
and I think this just helps ensure

879
00:45:52,720 --> 00:45:54,240
efficacy of the entire process so I

880
00:45:54,240 --> 00:45:56,400
don't see that as a bad thing um and

881
00:45:56,400 --> 00:45:59,839
again make sure we are uh intentionally

882
00:45:59,839 --> 00:46:01,960
highlighting there are no issues

883
00:46:01,960 --> 00:46:03,520
throughout this entire conversation to

884
00:46:03,520 --> 00:46:05,480
any of these individuals I think it is

885
00:46:05,480 --> 00:46:07,880
just a matter of consistency just

886
00:46:07,880 --> 00:46:09,440
wanting to wait till the other answers

887
00:46:09,440 --> 00:46:14,510
are being addressed

888
00:46:14,520 --> 00:46:18,079
okay okay sorry to delor it but I

889
00:46:18,079 --> 00:46:20,000
believe that we did address those other

890
00:46:20,000 --> 00:46:22,680
issues on the other appointment when we

891
00:46:22,680 --> 00:46:25,200
discussed that appointment um and did

892
00:46:25,200 --> 00:46:28,200
not make that appointment um and here

893
00:46:28,200 --> 00:46:30,640
tonight we do have um the background

894
00:46:30,640 --> 00:46:33,280
information that we need um about the

895
00:46:33,280 --> 00:46:35,480
individuals that are on the agenda this

896
00:46:35,480 --> 00:46:38,520
evening for this particular so I think

897
00:46:38,520 --> 00:46:41,280
we did have pretty you know I think the

898
00:46:41,280 --> 00:46:44,000
mayor expressed his concerns about that

899
00:46:44,000 --> 00:46:46,119
other individual at the previous at the

900
00:46:46,119 --> 00:46:49,000
meeting where we didn't appoint him to

901
00:46:49,000 --> 00:46:51,920
the committee just to be clear we did

902
00:46:51,920 --> 00:46:53,760
appoint him and then the mayor the mayor

903
00:46:53,760 --> 00:46:59,559
V the appointment so we did that that person is I guess what I'm saying

904
00:46:59,559 --> 00:47:02,119
right and I guess um and you expressed

905
00:47:02,119 --> 00:47:04,630
your

906
00:47:04,640 --> 00:47:07,040
concerns I don't remember the being that

907
00:47:07,040 --> 00:47:08,839
detailed

908
00:47:08,839 --> 00:47:12,400
okay so if if one of the questions that

909
00:47:12,400 --> 00:47:14,640
was brought up in the prior um attempt

910
00:47:14,640 --> 00:47:17,520
to appoint was that the person was a

911
00:47:17,520 --> 00:47:20,920
previous employee then if that was a

912
00:47:20,920 --> 00:47:21,880
point of

913
00:47:21,880 --> 00:47:23,839
conversation I wish at that point we

914
00:47:23,839 --> 00:47:25,240
would have kind of hashed it out moving

915
00:47:25,240 --> 00:47:26,920
forward to say okay well this is why

916
00:47:26,920 --> 00:47:29,079
could be a issue moving forward and then

917
00:47:29,079 --> 00:47:30,839
we might have not have been here I don't

918
00:47:30,839 --> 00:47:32,800
think that the mayor um I believe that

919
00:47:32,800 --> 00:47:34,240
the mayor is acting in good faith trying

920
00:47:34,240 --> 00:47:36,760
to uh put for someone that um we all

921
00:47:36,760 --> 00:47:39,240
feel is is is qualified and I feel that

922
00:47:39,240 --> 00:47:40,559
President Porter feel is acting in good

923
00:47:40,559 --> 00:47:41,920
faith and saying let's make sure our

924
00:47:41,920 --> 00:47:43,599
checks and balances are consistent so I

925
00:47:43,599 --> 00:47:46,200
don't think that there's really a issue

926
00:47:46,200 --> 00:47:48,720
around um who we think should be

927
00:47:48,720 --> 00:47:50,079
appointed or whether this person is

928
00:47:50,079 --> 00:47:51,480
worthy or not it just seems like a

929
00:47:51,480 --> 00:47:53,040
question of process and that's that's

930
00:47:53,040 --> 00:47:57,440
one that we can uh address uh moving

931
00:47:57,440 --> 00:47:59,559
forward and then if this type of

932
00:47:59,559 --> 00:48:01,079
situation arises again then we kind of

933
00:48:01,079 --> 00:48:03,520
know our playb from that point so I

934
00:48:03,520 --> 00:48:05,839
think again it's not necessarily a

935
00:48:05,839 --> 00:48:07,520
disagreement but more as a Cas it's just

936
00:48:07,520 --> 00:48:10,079
a lack of clarity as process and U I

937
00:48:10,079 --> 00:48:11,960
think both our mayor and our council

938
00:48:11,960 --> 00:48:13,240
president are both acting in good faith

939
00:48:13,240 --> 00:48:14,359
to do

940
00:48:14,359 --> 00:48:18,200
so so with that said I will uh entertain

941
00:48:18,200 --> 00:48:19,960
the motion to adour government

942
00:48:19,960 --> 00:48:21,839
operations

943
00:48:21,839 --> 00:48:25,760
second all those in favor I your

944
00:48:25,760 --> 00:48:29,000
turn did you move two names forward we

945
00:48:29,000 --> 00:48:31,960
did we did yeah we

946
00:48:31,960 --> 00:48:36,280
did thank you so I'd like to um convene

947
00:48:36,280 --> 00:48:37,960
health and Recreation committee we have

948
00:48:37,960 --> 00:48:39,480
one item on the agenda and that's a

949
00:48:39,480 --> 00:48:41,480
discussion of the renaming of woodlon

950
00:48:41,480 --> 00:48:44,760
Park uh M pill this item is being

951
00:48:44,760 --> 00:48:46,800
removed and this this request has been

952
00:48:46,800 --> 00:48:49,200
descended from the people that requested

953
00:48:49,200 --> 00:48:52,990
it oh

954
00:48:53,000 --> 00:48:56,880
okay um so i' like a motion to adjourn

955
00:48:56,880 --> 00:49:02,000
health and Recreation second motion to

956
00:49:02,000 --> 00:49:06,359
okay okay all in favor F thank you I'd

957
00:49:06,359 --> 00:49:08,119
like to call to order City development

958
00:49:08,119 --> 00:49:10,920
and planning we have 16 items on the

959
00:49:10,920 --> 00:49:13,799
agenda um the first one is the award the

960
00:49:13,799 --> 00:49:15,799
bidden contract for tilled water piping

961
00:49:15,799 --> 00:49:19,200
repairs to cedo Plumbing in the amount

962
00:49:19,200 --> 00:49:22,589
of

963
00:49:22,599 --> 00:49:27,359
94492 Mr Leon good evening

964
00:49:27,359 --> 00:49:28,799
legis request you have in front of you

965
00:49:28,799 --> 00:49:32,319
tonight is um for the bid of the chair

966
00:49:32,319 --> 00:49:35,200
children water P repairs for the service

967
00:49:35,200 --> 00:49:37,799
there were two bids that were submitted

968
00:49:37,799 --> 00:49:41,960
one from Sano construction and one fromo

969
00:49:41,960 --> 00:49:44,839
um we also have the bid net so I believe

970
00:49:44,839 --> 00:49:47,440
there was approximately 12 vendors who

971
00:49:47,440 --> 00:49:49,680
took it but only submitted bids the

972
00:49:49,680 --> 00:49:54,200
lowest responsible bid was from PTO for

973
00:49:54,200 --> 00:49:56,920
94422 $93

974
00:49:56,920 --> 00:49:59,160
um recommendation is to move forward

975
00:49:59,160 --> 00:50:01,200
with the award of that bid so that the

976
00:50:01,200 --> 00:50:05,040
um glol pipes can get repaired prior to

977
00:50:05,040 --> 00:50:07,839
Winter any questions

978
00:50:07,839 --> 00:50:11,799
concerns I'll second all in favor I I

979
00:50:11,799 --> 00:50:13,920
thank you all right Mr Leons uh if I

980
00:50:13,920 --> 00:50:15,079
could just ask you this we did talk

981
00:50:15,079 --> 00:50:16,480
about it didn't actually make it an

982
00:50:16,480 --> 00:50:19,319
agenda item but um I know that you've

983
00:50:19,319 --> 00:50:22,839
been visiting uh neighborhood

984
00:50:22,839 --> 00:50:25,400
associations And discussing the um

985
00:50:25,400 --> 00:50:28,599
proposed changes to the trash collection

986
00:50:28,599 --> 00:50:30,839
and um I don't know that um all council

987
00:50:30,839 --> 00:50:32,559
members know about that and if we could

988
00:50:32,559 --> 00:50:34,520
just just kind of give us kind of this

989
00:50:34,520 --> 00:50:36,040
brief overview that you've been giving

990
00:50:36,040 --> 00:50:39,480
to the neighborhood associations um if

991
00:50:39,480 --> 00:50:41,200
you weren't aware there was a trash

992
00:50:41,200 --> 00:50:44,720
committee meet uh put together um during

993
00:50:44,720 --> 00:50:47,720
the summer um we meant to discuss

994
00:50:47,720 --> 00:50:51,119
potential ways to reduce the excessive

995
00:50:51,119 --> 00:50:53,200
was that we're picking up at curbside

996
00:50:53,200 --> 00:50:55,559
and to address the B items that we are

997
00:50:55,559 --> 00:50:57,839
picking up because currently under the

998
00:50:57,839 --> 00:50:59,640
code we take everything that's left

999
00:50:59,640 --> 00:51:02,520
there um it's covered in the trash fees

1000
00:51:02,520 --> 00:51:05,000
um it's getting very expensive um very

1001
00:51:05,000 --> 00:51:08,920
time consuming um removing um you know

1002
00:51:08,920 --> 00:51:10,319
what we used to call jackpots but

1003
00:51:10,319 --> 00:51:13,040
accessible way so I have been going out

1004
00:51:13,040 --> 00:51:15,119
to the neighborhood um Association

1005
00:51:15,119 --> 00:51:17,680
meetings to let them know that currently

1006
00:51:17,680 --> 00:51:20,920
there is some changes coming forth with

1007
00:51:20,920 --> 00:51:23,319
Council approval um one is the amount of

1008
00:51:23,319 --> 00:51:26,200
trash that will be allowed uh per unit

1009
00:51:26,200 --> 00:51:30,119
um the amount of trash that was say

1010
00:51:30,119 --> 00:51:33,319
discussed tenly agreed upon were

1011
00:51:33,319 --> 00:51:37,000
six um trash bags and were 32 gallon

1012
00:51:37,000 --> 00:51:40,480
bags or one 45 gallon can per

1013
00:51:40,480 --> 00:51:43,000
residential unit so if you had a two

1014
00:51:43,000 --> 00:51:44,720
unit you're going to get 14 bags you had

1015
00:51:44,720 --> 00:51:47,559
a three unit you're going to get 21 bags

1016
00:51:47,559 --> 00:51:49,799
and then we did uh develop a list of

1017
00:51:49,799 --> 00:51:52,920
bulk items each item has a fee

1018
00:51:52,920 --> 00:51:54,880
associated with it whether it's a couch

1019
00:51:54,880 --> 00:51:58,119
or sofa a mattress um an increments of

1020
00:51:58,119 --> 00:52:01,520
about $5 and um you know how it would be

1021
00:52:01,520 --> 00:52:04,280
done currently was discussed come to

1022
00:52:04,280 --> 00:52:06,440
seah home like you do with a permit for

1023
00:52:06,440 --> 00:52:09,599
development or building department um

1024
00:52:09,599 --> 00:52:11,920
you f out form down roow 9 you w the

1025
00:52:11,920 --> 00:52:14,359
receipts you prepaid for what you want

1026
00:52:14,359 --> 00:52:17,119
picked up whether um if you got 20 bags

1027
00:52:17,119 --> 00:52:19,359
I think we came with an extra bag trash

1028
00:52:19,359 --> 00:52:21,559
is not like a bulk item was

1029
00:52:21,559 --> 00:52:25,359
$2.50 um B items don't only take conver

1030
00:52:25,359 --> 00:52:27,599
leave mattress was $10

1031
00:52:27,599 --> 00:52:29,000
um after you pay for it to come

1032
00:52:29,000 --> 00:52:29,960
downstairs we would give you the

1033
00:52:29,960 --> 00:52:31,799
appropriate stickers and we would set

1034
00:52:31,799 --> 00:52:33,760
the date to have it out on the curb and

1035
00:52:33,760 --> 00:52:35,000
then our staff would know that with

1036
00:52:35,000 --> 00:52:36,960
these stickers on we would be taking

1037
00:52:36,960 --> 00:52:40,760
that and it was paid for so um it has

1038
00:52:40,760 --> 00:52:42,960
been being discussed I went to three

1039
00:52:42,960 --> 00:52:45,200
neighborhood meetings I going to fourth

1040
00:52:45,200 --> 00:52:48,720
one this Thursday so hopefully my budget

1041
00:52:48,720 --> 00:52:52,589
presentation is quick because

1042
00:52:52,599 --> 00:52:57,640
it's not about that but UNCW so

1043
00:52:57,640 --> 00:52:59,160
um so I am going out I have been

1044
00:52:59,160 --> 00:53:01,839
speaking um in regards to the

1045
00:53:01,839 --> 00:53:05,440
trash so then after all so the process

1046
00:53:05,440 --> 00:53:07,160
after this would be as in terms of the

1047
00:53:07,160 --> 00:53:09,720
council the process no I'm asking the

1048
00:53:09,720 --> 00:53:11,559
question what would the process be after

1049
00:53:11,559 --> 00:53:14,040
the we would present to the council the

1050
00:53:14,040 --> 00:53:17,200
fee structure rate increases and the

1051
00:53:17,200 --> 00:53:18,920
council would then decide whether or not

1052
00:53:18,920 --> 00:53:20,319
you want to move forward with it and

1053
00:53:20,319 --> 00:53:21,440
then I believe it would be changed in

1054
00:53:21,440 --> 00:53:24,280
the city code yes so we're just

1055
00:53:24,280 --> 00:53:26,200
informing just informing the public

1056
00:53:26,200 --> 00:53:28,920
right now yes that is right is there is

1057
00:53:28,920 --> 00:53:31,480
there room for public feedback on that

1058
00:53:31,480 --> 00:53:33,599
or answer some of the questions I've

1059
00:53:33,599 --> 00:53:35,280
said anybody who has any other questions

1060
00:53:35,280 --> 00:53:37,359
give my email i't received any other

1061
00:53:37,359 --> 00:53:39,760
questions about it but I think most

1062
00:53:39,760 --> 00:53:44,599
residents who obey the current even

1063
00:53:44,599 --> 00:53:46,520
though it's not a rule but appropriate

1064
00:53:46,520 --> 00:53:49,160
law on a trash it's the the people who

1065
00:53:49,160 --> 00:53:51,640
are abusing it we know trash comes in

1066
00:53:51,640 --> 00:53:53,799
from outside the city people live

1067
00:53:53,799 --> 00:53:55,520
outside the city have running units in

1068
00:53:55,520 --> 00:53:57,359
the city you know you can go byy some of

1069
00:53:57,359 --> 00:53:58,960
these units and there's just a

1070
00:53:58,960 --> 00:54:02,960
tremendous amount of trash um so um you

1071
00:54:02,960 --> 00:54:05,799
know I think it's more going after the

1072
00:54:05,799 --> 00:54:08,280
you know the residents or the landl are

1073
00:54:08,280 --> 00:54:11,390
abusing

1074
00:54:11,400 --> 00:54:14,160
it U Mr Willams so I just wanted to

1075
00:54:14,160 --> 00:54:16,079
thank you for that un scheduled update I

1076
00:54:16,079 --> 00:54:18,040
really appreciate it and um as we get

1077
00:54:18,040 --> 00:54:19,520
into the budget season I imagine that's

1078
00:54:19,520 --> 00:54:21,200
going to be an issue we hit uh a little

1079
00:54:21,200 --> 00:54:23,640
bit in detail uh if you're comfortable

1080
00:54:23,640 --> 00:54:25,480
at this moment are there any

1081
00:54:25,480 --> 00:54:28,240
reservations to the current increases

1082
00:54:28,240 --> 00:54:31,520
and the uh rece no there was no it more

1083
00:54:31,520 --> 00:54:33,440
was a the questions I got a couple of

1084
00:54:33,440 --> 00:54:35,559
them more of a convenience of um coming

1085
00:54:35,559 --> 00:54:38,520
down the city hall and having to prepay

1086
00:54:38,520 --> 00:54:39,880
whether there was the ability to do

1087
00:54:39,880 --> 00:54:42,480
something via the phone and you calling

1088
00:54:42,480 --> 00:54:44,920
the credit card uh it gets a little

1089
00:54:44,920 --> 00:54:46,040
difficult cuz then how do you get the

1090
00:54:46,040 --> 00:54:48,000
stickers to it you'd have to keep more

1091
00:54:48,000 --> 00:54:50,400
of a checklist and the route foring

1092
00:54:50,400 --> 00:54:51,599
would have to have that checklist so

1093
00:54:51,599 --> 00:54:53,799
when they go to that house you know they

1094
00:54:53,799 --> 00:54:56,079
compare the checklist to what they they

1095
00:54:56,079 --> 00:54:59,240
had but you know I mean there's an

1096
00:54:59,240 --> 00:55:02,280
inconvenience to almost anything so

1097
00:55:02,280 --> 00:55:04,119
thank

1098
00:55:04,119 --> 00:55:06,920
you again thank you for doing that um

1099
00:55:06,920 --> 00:55:09,040
community outreach I appreciate that get

1100
00:55:09,040 --> 00:55:11,880
help informed public I was thinking that

1101
00:55:11,880 --> 00:55:14,480
um would again are very preliminary and

1102
00:55:14,480 --> 00:55:16,359
I'm sure we'll probably um address this

1103
00:55:16,359 --> 00:55:18,400
at another time but my burning question

1104
00:55:18,400 --> 00:55:22,240
right now is like so would it be people

1105
00:55:22,240 --> 00:55:24,400
would be able to come in and maybe

1106
00:55:24,400 --> 00:55:27,000
prepay for a couple tax tags for what

1107
00:55:27,000 --> 00:55:29,520
could be a and then late I guess the

1108
00:55:29,520 --> 00:55:31,240
question would be would they have to

1109
00:55:31,240 --> 00:55:33,119
communicate that oh I have a mattress

1110
00:55:33,119 --> 00:55:34,520
out or would they be able to kind of

1111
00:55:34,520 --> 00:55:35,960
prepa for the tax slap it on the

1112
00:55:35,960 --> 00:55:38,400
mattress to because it's evolving you

1113
00:55:38,400 --> 00:55:40,760
know if they came in sort of prepaid for

1114
00:55:40,760 --> 00:55:42,680
a sheet of

1115
00:55:42,680 --> 00:55:44,680
stickers and they called in and said

1116
00:55:44,680 --> 00:55:48,160
look I've got a mattress and a box um I

1117
00:55:48,160 --> 00:55:50,280
got my stickers on it it's you know

1118
00:55:50,280 --> 00:55:52,599
it'll get picked up we just have to know

1119
00:55:52,599 --> 00:55:54,839
it's when we get into the MERS you know

1120
00:55:54,839 --> 00:55:56,799
um the thing is

1121
00:55:56,799 --> 00:55:58,799
you know there are you know some things

1122
00:55:58,799 --> 00:56:00,880
are being taken advantage of and you

1123
00:56:00,880 --> 00:56:04,480
know it's obvious thank you mayor had

1124
00:56:04,480 --> 00:56:07,200
come thank you madam president

1125
00:56:07,200 --> 00:56:10,000
again in this process last year this was

1126
00:56:10,000 --> 00:56:13,160
a major point of contention in terms of

1127
00:56:13,160 --> 00:56:16,400
the adoption of the budget our current

1128
00:56:16,400 --> 00:56:21,079
code dealing with garbage collection is

1129
00:56:21,079 --> 00:56:24,599
out of date it's flawed and basically

1130
00:56:24,599 --> 00:56:27,760
nobody in the city fully complies with

1131
00:56:27,760 --> 00:56:31,280
the code we set up meetings went through

1132
00:56:31,280 --> 00:56:34,280
things looking the simple analysis was

1133
00:56:34,280 --> 00:56:37,200
jackpots somebody puts four tons of

1134
00:56:37,200 --> 00:56:39,079
material out there we pick it up we've

1135
00:56:39,079 --> 00:56:42,680
had number of ongoing meetings it is not

1136
00:56:42,680 --> 00:56:45,760
a simple solution it's a complicated

1137
00:56:45,760 --> 00:56:47,480
fact pattern in which there are a lot of

1138
00:56:47,480 --> 00:56:51,039
variables to it in that the council

1139
00:56:51,039 --> 00:56:53,240
president declined to participate after

1140
00:56:53,240 --> 00:56:57,119
a certain point and again I can't

1141
00:56:57,119 --> 00:56:59,280
building in operational efficiencies

1142
00:56:59,280 --> 00:57:01,680
unless I have changes in the code that

1143
00:57:01,680 --> 00:57:05,000
has to come from the city council and

1144
00:57:05,000 --> 00:57:07,599
looking for some level of indication

1145
00:57:07,599 --> 00:57:09,520
what the council will support or not

1146
00:57:09,520 --> 00:57:11,960
support to be able to move forward in

1147
00:57:11,960 --> 00:57:13,319
this and some of this will end up

1148
00:57:13,319 --> 00:57:15,799
getting pushed through during this

1149
00:57:15,799 --> 00:57:18,680
budget process which again builds

1150
00:57:18,680 --> 00:57:20,440
tension

1151
00:57:20,440 --> 00:57:25,520
and creates conflict that tried to avoid

1152
00:57:25,520 --> 00:57:27,839
but uh again would defer to your

1153
00:57:27,839 --> 00:57:29,079
position where you said you don't want

1154
00:57:29,079 --> 00:57:31,680
to participate anymore and don't want to

1155
00:57:31,680 --> 00:57:33,760
actually move something forward to to

1156
00:57:33,760 --> 00:57:35,799
the council I okay so let's just be

1157
00:57:35,799 --> 00:57:38,760
clear I never said I didn't want to move

1158
00:57:38,760 --> 00:57:40,559
anything forward to the council so let's

1159
00:57:40,559 --> 00:57:42,240
go over what really happened this began

1160
00:57:42,240 --> 00:57:45,119
in January and I did not step away until

1161
00:57:45,119 --> 00:57:48,079
July that was 7 months later uh during

1162
00:57:48,079 --> 00:57:49,400
that time we did not come through

1163
00:57:49,400 --> 00:57:51,160
anything concrete nothing came before

1164
00:57:51,160 --> 00:57:53,440
the council to even consider we had one

1165
00:57:53,440 --> 00:57:55,000
update and it was just kind of an

1166
00:57:55,000 --> 00:57:57,000
overview but there was nothing that was

1167
00:57:57,000 --> 00:57:58,799
concrete brought before the council that

1168
00:57:58,799 --> 00:58:00,520
said would you take a look at this and

1169
00:58:00,520 --> 00:58:02,160
would you move this forward there was a

1170
00:58:02,160 --> 00:58:04,280
discussion about um something being

1171
00:58:04,280 --> 00:58:07,160
coming misdemeanors versus um announ

1172
00:58:07,160 --> 00:58:08,760
it's a violation in terms of trash

1173
00:58:08,760 --> 00:58:10,760
coming from outside the city again

1174
00:58:10,760 --> 00:58:12,640
nothing was concrete was brought before

1175
00:58:12,640 --> 00:58:15,480
this Council so yes in July after

1176
00:58:15,480 --> 00:58:17,359
meetings from January through July in

1177
00:58:17,359 --> 00:58:19,119
saiding meeting after meeting and then

1178
00:58:19,119 --> 00:58:20,920
the last two meetings were cancel I did

1179
00:58:20,920 --> 00:58:22,400
step away because I did not see the

1180
00:58:22,400 --> 00:58:24,160
meeting as being effective and that's

1181
00:58:24,160 --> 00:58:26,680
really creating any change

1182
00:58:26,680 --> 00:58:28,839
uh in addition to that in March I

1183
00:58:28,839 --> 00:58:32,160
submitted um something to the committee

1184
00:58:32,160 --> 00:58:33,720
to um say here are some my

1185
00:58:33,720 --> 00:58:35,480
considerations those things were never

1186
00:58:35,480 --> 00:58:37,760
considered the one thing that I said

1187
00:58:37,760 --> 00:58:40,200
early on is if we could just at least

1188
00:58:40,200 --> 00:58:42,319
look at what has um what's already in

1189
00:58:42,319 --> 00:58:44,119
the books and we can start implementing

1190
00:58:44,119 --> 00:58:45,680
that and that is putting the trash out

1191
00:58:45,680 --> 00:58:47,640
early getting a fee for that that was

1192
00:58:47,640 --> 00:58:49,960
done but beyond that the things that I

1193
00:58:49,960 --> 00:58:51,480
put out for consideration were just not

1194
00:58:51,480 --> 00:58:53,680
considered and I'm not offended by that

1195
00:58:53,680 --> 00:58:55,640
however there there is no point in me

1196
00:58:55,640 --> 00:58:58,000
continuing come to meetings if in fact

1197
00:58:58,000 --> 00:59:00,280
what I'm my contributions are not moving

1198
00:59:00,280 --> 00:59:02,960
forward so in my letter to you or my

1199
00:59:02,960 --> 00:59:05,760
email to you um I also said if you want

1200
00:59:05,760 --> 00:59:07,480
to submit to someone else that's fine or

1201
00:59:07,480 --> 00:59:08,680
when you're ready to bring this to the

1202
00:59:08,680 --> 00:59:10,559
council please bring It Forward if

1203
00:59:10,559 --> 00:59:12,280
anyone wants to see my entire email I'm

1204
00:59:12,280 --> 00:59:14,280
willing to forward that to you and and

1205
00:59:14,280 --> 00:59:16,359
just and everyone on the council knows

1206
00:59:16,359 --> 00:59:17,839
that I was stepping away because I also

1207
00:59:17,839 --> 00:59:19,799
emailed them and said that as well so

1208
00:59:19,799 --> 00:59:21,319
it's not that we didn't want to bring it

1209
00:59:21,319 --> 00:59:23,000
to the council there was nothing to

1210
00:59:23,000 --> 00:59:24,680
bring forward and I said when it comes

1211
00:59:24,680 --> 00:59:26,720
time Bring It Forward and and then you

1212
00:59:26,720 --> 00:59:28,319
know I I went to a meeting and I saw

1213
00:59:28,319 --> 00:59:30,839
that this was already being discussed so

1214
00:59:30,839 --> 00:59:32,200
I just wanted the council to know

1215
00:59:32,200 --> 00:59:33,839
because I was getting phone calls about

1216
00:59:33,839 --> 00:59:35,520
oh there's going to be fees or or

1217
00:59:35,520 --> 00:59:37,640
limitations on bags so I just wanted

1218
00:59:37,640 --> 00:59:39,240
everyone on the council who may not have

1219
00:59:39,240 --> 00:59:40,400
known that this was already being

1220
00:59:40,400 --> 00:59:42,079
discussed and was out there that's all

1221
00:59:42,079 --> 00:59:43,839
there as to

1222
00:59:43,839 --> 00:59:46,359
that it's solely your prerogative to

1223
00:59:46,359 --> 00:59:48,359
move legislation forward but first you

1224
00:59:48,359 --> 00:59:49,680
have to give us something to consider as

1225
00:59:49,680 --> 00:59:51,559
we're doing tonight and we were not

1226
00:59:51,559 --> 00:59:57,069
giving anything to consider

1227
00:59:57,079 --> 00:59:59,200
oh it's not my sorry did you you have

1228
00:59:59,200 --> 01:00:01,960
your hand up no you have your hand up oh

1229
01:00:01,960 --> 01:00:05,200
yeah um so in discussion of trash you

1230
01:00:05,200 --> 01:00:07,599
know we we we we contacted multiple

1231
01:00:07,599 --> 01:00:10,440
municipalities Paul and Chris went out

1232
01:00:10,440 --> 01:00:12,720
of their way to always make sure present

1233
01:00:12,720 --> 01:00:14,880
uh the committee with um what's

1234
01:00:14,880 --> 01:00:16,440
happening everywhere and out there and

1235
01:00:16,440 --> 01:00:18,319
as far as addressing I mean we started

1236
01:00:18,319 --> 01:00:21,720
out as as these jackpots or cleanouts um

1237
01:00:21,720 --> 01:00:23,880
but you couldn't just you know we had to

1238
01:00:23,880 --> 01:00:29,799
put it actually put a price tag on a mattress um a dresser a lamp anything

1239
01:00:29,799 --> 01:00:32,119
that won't fit into a b which eventually

1240
01:00:32,119 --> 01:00:35,359
will I believe cost myself who creates a

1241
01:00:35,359 --> 01:00:37,359
lot of trash and every taxpayer in the

1242
01:00:37,359 --> 01:00:41,280
city a lot more money than the $34 $43

1243
01:00:41,280 --> 01:00:42,920
that could have been adopted last budget

1244
01:00:42,920 --> 01:00:45,119
season and you still would have been

1245
01:00:45,119 --> 01:00:46,920
able to put everything including myself

1246
01:00:46,920 --> 01:00:48,480
out of the trash and it would have been

1247
01:00:48,480 --> 01:00:51,240
collected I'm sorry thank

1248
01:00:51,240 --> 01:00:54,000
you go ahead uh the one thing I was

1249
01:00:54,000 --> 01:00:55,599
going to add is just I remember those

1250
01:00:55,599 --> 01:00:57,760
conv ations during our last budget cycle

1251
01:00:57,760 --> 01:01:00,079
um because uh they were very in depth I

1252
01:01:00,079 --> 01:01:01,799
would say probably one of the two top

1253
01:01:01,799 --> 01:01:04,160
concerns last year I would say for me

1254
01:01:04,160 --> 01:01:06,039
personally it was wanting to make sure

1255
01:01:06,039 --> 01:01:08,240
our first response to these heightened

1256
01:01:08,240 --> 01:01:10,000
fees wasn't looking towards the

1257
01:01:10,000 --> 01:01:12,440
residents so I appreciate Mr lefon and

1258
01:01:12,440 --> 01:01:14,319
the committee uh all members as it

1259
01:01:14,319 --> 01:01:16,240
started and what it kind of evolved into

1260
01:01:16,240 --> 01:01:18,520
for what they were able to submit I

1261
01:01:18,520 --> 01:01:19,760
understand this is not the final

1262
01:01:19,760 --> 01:01:21,799
solution but it is a step forward and

1263
01:01:21,799 --> 01:01:24,240
it's just making sure that each of us in

1264
01:01:24,240 --> 01:01:26,640
our capacities just highlight

1265
01:01:26,640 --> 01:01:28,319
are we considering this area because the

1266
01:01:28,319 --> 01:01:30,440
one thing I want to not happen or the

1267
01:01:30,440 --> 01:01:31,880
one thing I want to prevent is this

1268
01:01:31,880 --> 01:01:33,599
causes more pain and frustration not

1269
01:01:33,599 --> 01:01:35,480
only for our residents but also for the

1270
01:01:35,480 --> 01:01:37,319
employees as they try to implement this

1271
01:01:37,319 --> 01:01:39,440
and enforce it um but definitely there

1272
01:01:39,440 --> 01:01:41,400
needs to be a change for anyone that's

1273
01:01:41,400 --> 01:01:44,520
not aware waste removal is far expensive

1274
01:01:44,520 --> 01:01:46,880
and it is just growing um and again

1275
01:01:46,880 --> 01:01:48,520
we're going to have these endep

1276
01:01:48,520 --> 01:01:52,480
discussions what L this week so not want

1277
01:01:52,480 --> 01:01:54,440
to to burn a lot of that energy that we

1278
01:01:54,440 --> 01:01:56,880
have now um but thank you for the work

1279
01:01:56,880 --> 01:01:58,240
that's done and I look forward to seeing

1280
01:01:58,240 --> 01:02:04,079
this in the coming months thank you do impr prompted I appreciate

1281
01:02:04,079 --> 01:02:06,520
that uh the next item is the award of

1282
01:02:06,520 --> 01:02:08,359
been contract emergency service training

1283
01:02:08,359 --> 01:02:10,760
facility room simulator to Midstate

1284
01:02:10,760 --> 01:02:15,269
Industries Mr

1285
01:02:15,279 --> 01:02:21,480
Walling hello hello so this is a roof

1286
01:02:21,480 --> 01:02:23,200
training simulator there is a rendering

1287
01:02:23,200 --> 01:02:24,799
in your packet of what it would look

1288
01:02:24,799 --> 01:02:26,520
like it is a

1289
01:02:26,520 --> 01:02:29,200
wooden essentially Erector Set uh

1290
01:02:29,200 --> 01:02:31,400
designed specifically to simulate um

1291
01:02:31,400 --> 01:02:33,000
when they have to breach a roof cut open

1292
01:02:33,000 --> 01:02:35,720
a roof uh this is lower than that as you

1293
01:02:35,720 --> 01:02:37,559
can see it would still simulate using

1294
01:02:37,559 --> 01:02:39,760
possibly a ladder get up on the roof

1295
01:02:39,760 --> 01:02:41,680
operate hand tools things like that to

1296
01:02:41,680 --> 01:02:44,079
get in and then the panels uh that would

1297
01:02:44,079 --> 01:02:46,680
be then cut could be replaced um this

1298
01:02:46,680 --> 01:02:49,119
would go in the area that is the fire

1299
01:02:49,119 --> 01:02:51,960
Charing Tower facility in a spot that

1300
01:02:51,960 --> 01:02:54,400
used to hold a burn pit that was removed

1301
01:02:54,400 --> 01:02:58,480
and paved over by o yes um Midstate is a

1302
01:02:58,480 --> 01:03:00,279
company that we do lots of work with

1303
01:03:00,279 --> 01:03:02,240
here we're confident they'll be able to

1304
01:03:02,240 --> 01:03:05,520
do the work successfully um and the fire

1305
01:03:05,520 --> 01:03:07,160
department supports moving forward with

1306
01:03:07,160 --> 01:03:08,119
the

1307
01:03:08,119 --> 01:03:10,640
project

1308
01:03:10,640 --> 01:03:13,079
questions I'll second all those in favor

1309
01:03:13,079 --> 01:03:15,760
I I thank you item number three is to

1310
01:03:15,760 --> 01:03:18,279
authorize the issuance of a votable

1311
01:03:18,279 --> 01:03:21,920
permit number 686 to Andy's I'm not sure

1312
01:03:21,920 --> 01:03:23,760
Zen is his name pronounced Zen actually

1313
01:03:23,760 --> 01:03:26,359
I believe so uh for sign on overhang

1314
01:03:26,359 --> 01:03:29,599
cities right away at 469 State Street um

1315
01:03:29,599 --> 01:03:32,039
so this is a rebranding of an existing

1316
01:03:32,039 --> 01:03:34,799
sign uh Zen restaurant is rebranding as

1317
01:03:34,799 --> 01:03:37,480
you'll see in the packet um the sign

1318
01:03:37,480 --> 01:03:39,640
structure will stay However the panels

1319
01:03:39,640 --> 01:03:44,119
will be replaced um his uh new same

1320
01:03:44,119 --> 01:03:46,000
owner but it's been time so we wanted to

1321
01:03:46,000 --> 01:03:47,880
replace it here we've also included the

1322
01:03:47,880 --> 01:03:50,039
awnings that's what the picture is for

1323
01:03:50,039 --> 01:03:51,920
to show that they'll be having a new

1324
01:03:51,920 --> 01:03:54,319
sign panel and

1325
01:03:54,319 --> 01:03:57,119
awnings so the new name will be Ember

1326
01:03:57,119 --> 01:03:58,480
this the new name of the business they

1327
01:03:58,480 --> 01:04:00,799
changing their name correct it is a new

1328
01:04:00,799 --> 01:04:05,039
business oh new business same location I don't know

1329
01:04:05,039 --> 01:04:06,359
what he would call it if it's a

1330
01:04:06,359 --> 01:04:08,680
rebranding re it's a it's a new I don't

1331
01:04:08,680 --> 01:04:10,480
want to I don't want to ruin anything

1332
01:04:10,480 --> 01:04:11,319
that's

1333
01:04:11,319 --> 01:04:15,920
going the permit it's assigned okay any

1334
01:04:15,920 --> 01:04:18,799
questions concerns I'll second all those

1335
01:04:18,799 --> 01:04:19,559
in

1336
01:04:19,559 --> 01:04:22,000
favor there's I believe that there's a

1337
01:04:22,000 --> 01:04:25,599
company so when we um when we prepare

1338
01:04:25,599 --> 01:04:27,799
the legislation will insert the company

1339
01:04:27,799 --> 01:04:30,880
need okay I believe that that's just

1340
01:04:30,880 --> 01:04:34,839
a yeah all right thank you okay thank

1341
01:04:34,839 --> 01:04:36,680
you Mr do you have anything else that's

1342
01:04:36,680 --> 01:04:40,160
it no okay uh the next item number four

1343
01:04:40,160 --> 01:04:42,160
is development of the lead service line

1344
01:04:42,160 --> 01:04:45,039
replacement inventory action type two

1345
01:04:45,039 --> 01:04:49,870
action Mr Ferrari and

1346
01:04:49,880 --> 01:04:52,880
Mr yeah hello everybody Madam president

1347
01:04:52,880 --> 01:04:56,319
and Council mayor um we were asking here

1348
01:04:56,319 --> 01:04:59,520
the city is about to uh uh do a lead

1349
01:04:59,520 --> 01:05:02,640
service line replacement and to uh uh

1350
01:05:02,640 --> 01:05:04,480
comply with the actions you know we're

1351
01:05:04,480 --> 01:05:08,000
looking to uh uh follow the Seeker act

1352
01:05:08,000 --> 01:05:09,720
and it's been determined that the

1353
01:05:09,720 --> 01:05:13,079
proposed action will have no uh uh no uh

1354
01:05:13,079 --> 01:05:15,240
adverse impact on the environment or the

1355
01:05:15,240 --> 01:05:17,640
criteria within so it's a type consider

1356
01:05:17,640 --> 01:05:21,119
a type two uh plan uh and this

1357
01:05:21,119 --> 01:05:23,960
obligation and we passed this resolution

1358
01:05:23,960 --> 01:05:27,119
uh it uh it satisfies the requirement

1359
01:05:27,119 --> 01:05:30,680
for efc's for us to be able to execute

1360
01:05:30,680 --> 01:05:32,599
uh uh the grants that are out there

1361
01:05:32,599 --> 01:05:36,440
available so this tyto Seeker would help

1362
01:05:36,440 --> 01:05:40,119
us uh uh get grants to perform the left

1363
01:05:40,119 --> 01:05:43,670
Service uh

1364
01:05:43,680 --> 01:05:45,640
inventory uh I do have a question so

1365
01:05:45,640 --> 01:05:46,960
does this have anything thing you know

1366
01:05:46,960 --> 01:05:49,760
the um survey that we got yeah so how is

1367
01:05:49,760 --> 01:05:51,240
this connected to that this is in

1368
01:05:51,240 --> 01:05:54,150
addition to that

1369
01:05:54,160 --> 01:05:57,400
right this will help us qualify for the

1370
01:05:57,400 --> 01:06:00,160
survey helps us qualify for the grants

1371
01:06:00,160 --> 01:06:03,240
which then this review makes us

1372
01:06:03,240 --> 01:06:06,760
compliant for the possible State funding

1373
01:06:06,760 --> 01:06:08,319
that lose Federal money that's going

1374
01:06:08,319 --> 01:06:10,279
through the states is that corre it's

1375
01:06:10,279 --> 01:06:13,390
$671,000

1376
01:06:13,400 --> 01:06:15,279
Grant we want to definitely hear the

1377
01:06:15,279 --> 01:06:16,720
money we want everyone to

1378
01:06:16,720 --> 01:06:19,680
hear but we didn't get the grant yet

1379
01:06:19,680 --> 01:06:21,839
satisfied recording to apply for the

1380
01:06:21,839 --> 01:06:25,599
grant okay like Mr furry said this is a

1381
01:06:25,599 --> 01:06:27,240
requirement that it's not there's no

1382
01:06:27,240 --> 01:06:29,039
environmental impact because it's a

1383
01:06:29,039 --> 01:06:30,839
survey so we're not doing anything to

1384
01:06:30,839 --> 01:06:32,599
the environment we're not constructing

1385
01:06:32,599 --> 01:06:34,920
anything or building anything but uh it

1386
01:06:34,920 --> 01:06:37,559
is a requirement under EFC that we we

1387
01:06:37,559 --> 01:06:39,160
check and since it's a type two there's

1388
01:06:39,160 --> 01:06:40,880
no further action needed but we do have

1389
01:06:40,880 --> 01:06:42,559
to have a resolution to submit with the

1390
01:06:42,559 --> 01:06:45,559
packet um to meet the requirement um and

1391
01:06:45,559 --> 01:06:48,160
this qualified as ACC to the $671,000

1392
01:06:48,160 --> 01:06:51,160
grant for the lead service survey that

1393
01:06:51,160 --> 01:06:53,119
is currently out there so going apply

1394
01:06:53,119 --> 01:06:54,839
for the grant in this would yes and

1395
01:06:54,839 --> 01:06:56,520
that's just part of the to have that so

1396
01:06:56,520 --> 01:07:00,079
we can send back okay okay any more

1397
01:07:00,079 --> 01:07:02,760
questions I'll move it I'll second all

1398
01:07:02,760 --> 01:07:05,119
those in favor thank you very much thank

1399
01:07:05,119 --> 01:07:06,400
you very

1400
01:07:06,400 --> 01:07:09,400
much okay the next few will go very

1401
01:07:09,400 --> 01:07:12,920
quickly um so the uh the next one is a

1402
01:07:12,920 --> 01:07:16,240
um ceremon resolution uh recognizing

1403
01:07:16,240 --> 01:07:18,200
James Thomas Jr this was on the agenda

1404
01:07:18,200 --> 01:07:20,279
before as that we brought back I talked

1405
01:07:20,279 --> 01:07:22,680
to Mr Thomas and want to make sure that

1406
01:07:22,680 --> 01:07:24,319
um the statistics were correct and I

1407
01:07:24,319 --> 01:07:25,839
think that's really important I guess

1408
01:07:25,839 --> 01:07:29,720
forth so um bringing it back and to um

1409
01:07:29,720 --> 01:07:32,079
just U Move it out again actually just

1410
01:07:32,079 --> 01:07:34,680
but um to present to him and just want

1411
01:07:34,680 --> 01:07:37,400
to make sure his stats are correct so

1412
01:07:37,400 --> 01:07:42,039
motion I'll second all in favor I um

1413
01:07:42,039 --> 01:07:44,559
item number six uh ceremonial resolution

1414
01:07:44,559 --> 01:07:47,720
acknowledging Ferrari's 50e anniversary

1415
01:07:47,720 --> 01:07:50,760
Mr mantin yeah I just um actually today

1416
01:07:50,760 --> 01:07:52,839
is the 50y year anniversary

1417
01:07:52,839 --> 01:07:57,829
congratulations congratulations

1418
01:07:57,839 --> 01:07:59,680
where's our

1419
01:07:59,680 --> 01:08:02,480
s I'd like to recommend that we pass a

1420
01:08:02,480 --> 01:08:04,720
resolution honoring them the years of

1421
01:08:04,720 --> 01:08:07,000
outstanding service to the community

1422
01:08:07,000 --> 01:08:09,319
I'll move it I'll definitely second it

1423
01:08:09,319 --> 01:08:13,200
all in favor I I thank you the uh next

1424
01:08:13,200 --> 01:08:15,440
resolution is honoring celebrating

1425
01:08:15,440 --> 01:08:17,759
Italian oh I'm I'm just sorry will this

1426
01:08:17,759 --> 01:08:22,159
be at our next council meeting Mr Man

1427
01:08:22,159 --> 01:08:24,319
yes okay all right just want just to be

1428
01:08:24,319 --> 01:08:25,640
sure if any know there's something

1429
01:08:25,640 --> 01:08:27,359
special thing going on you want want to

1430
01:08:27,359 --> 01:08:30,719
do someplace else okay um the next one

1431
01:08:30,719 --> 01:08:33,000
is ceremonial resolution celebrating

1432
01:08:33,000 --> 01:08:36,279
Italian Heritage Month Miss Doro yes

1433
01:08:36,279 --> 01:08:38,679
thank you so uh I will be presenting

1434
01:08:38,679 --> 01:08:40,520
this this Friday if anyone would like to

1435
01:08:40,520 --> 01:08:43,799
attend um at the motor Edge lighthous to

1436
01:08:43,799 --> 01:08:48,759
the daughters and sons um of uhar Lord

1437
01:08:48,759 --> 01:08:51,000
Sons and Daughters Sons and

1438
01:08:51,000 --> 01:08:54,480
Daughters Gabrielle denunzio Sons and

1439
01:08:54,480 --> 01:08:57,920
Daughters of America um celebrating

1440
01:08:57,920 --> 01:09:00,520
October being the uh we daughters who

1441
01:09:00,520 --> 01:09:02,400
were at it yes most recently to the

1442
01:09:02,400 --> 01:09:04,080
order of the sons of Italy the order of

1443
01:09:04,080 --> 01:09:06,799
the sons of Italy and brother anyway um

1444
01:09:06,799 --> 01:09:08,679
Dia

1445
01:09:08,679 --> 01:09:11,640
yes uh October's a national calian

1446
01:09:11,640 --> 01:09:14,400
American heritage month and it's just um

1447
01:09:14,400 --> 01:09:17,799
honoring uh uh the uh Italian Heritage

1448
01:09:17,799 --> 01:09:19,400
here in our in our country and what was

1449
01:09:19,400 --> 01:09:21,120
the date did you presenting Friday I

1450
01:09:21,120 --> 01:09:24,000
think the 11th is that this Friday no

1451
01:09:24,000 --> 01:09:25,679
that would be that would be not even a

1452
01:09:25,679 --> 01:09:27,319
Friday is it no it is Friday is it

1453
01:09:27,319 --> 01:09:29,359
Friday so a week from this Friday right

1454
01:09:29,359 --> 01:09:33,279
no this Friday this Friday October 11

1455
01:09:33,279 --> 01:09:35,159
but Mr Toro we wouldn't have passed it

1456
01:09:35,159 --> 01:09:36,719
by

1457
01:09:36,719 --> 01:09:38,880
then because we have to pass it at the

1458
01:09:38,880 --> 01:09:39,920
next council

1459
01:09:39,920 --> 01:09:42,960
meeting okay then I'll present it um

1460
01:09:42,960 --> 01:09:45,159
I'll go to the club and at a later date

1461
01:09:45,159 --> 01:09:47,520
then all right so yeah if you just let

1462
01:09:47,520 --> 01:09:48,520
like you know I'm sure people would want

1463
01:09:48,520 --> 01:09:50,640
to come especially if they get chance to

1464
01:09:50,640 --> 01:09:53,679
eat buy their food though just be clear

1465
01:09:53,679 --> 01:09:55,679
so if you could um just give us tell us

1466
01:09:55,679 --> 01:09:58,280
when choose a new date and then I'll

1467
01:09:58,280 --> 01:10:01,000
make all right sorry about that thank

1468
01:10:01,000 --> 01:10:05,080
you we oh so like a motion please so

1469
01:10:05,080 --> 01:10:08,679
moved I'll second all those in favor I I

1470
01:10:08,679 --> 01:10:11,719
uh and the next ceremonial resolution

1471
01:10:11,719 --> 01:10:13,960
recognizing domestic violence Awareness

1472
01:10:13,960 --> 01:10:17,000
Month the month of November thank you

1473
01:10:17,000 --> 01:10:19,600
and um so many individuals are impacted

1474
01:10:19,600 --> 01:10:23,120
whether they're um U very special cause

1475
01:10:23,120 --> 01:10:26,400
to me and I will presenting this at our

1476
01:10:26,400 --> 01:10:30,239
October uh 15th meeting okay tion so

1477
01:10:30,239 --> 01:10:34,040
moved second all those in favor I I and

1478
01:10:34,040 --> 01:10:35,640
the next one is uh number nine

1479
01:10:35,640 --> 01:10:37,679
ceremonial resolution recognizing

1480
01:10:37,679 --> 01:10:40,280
October as Polish American Heritage

1481
01:10:40,280 --> 01:10:43,560
Month yes so October is also polish Amic

1482
01:10:43,560 --> 01:10:47,000
Polish American Heritage Month um and um

1483
01:10:47,000 --> 01:10:49,280
actually the first um we had polish

1484
01:10:49,280 --> 01:10:51,560
immigrants that came to skincity

1485
01:10:51,560 --> 01:10:53,560
actually in the late

1486
01:10:53,560 --> 01:10:56,960
1790s um so uh i' would like to be able

1487
01:10:56,960 --> 01:10:59,159
to honor and celebrate uh the

1488
01:10:59,159 --> 01:11:01,080
contributions of Polish Americans to our

1489
01:11:01,080 --> 01:11:02,840
city and our nation uh with this

1490
01:11:02,840 --> 01:11:04,520
resolution you have somebody coming to

1491
01:11:04,520 --> 01:11:06,360
this council meeting yes it's it'll be

1492
01:11:06,360 --> 01:11:08,840
uh Reverend kikki who's on the podium

1493
01:11:08,840 --> 01:11:11,880
with us all right a

1494
01:11:11,880 --> 01:11:15,000
motion um so move I'll second all in

1495
01:11:15,000 --> 01:11:19,480
favor I I okay item number 10 is um a

1496
01:11:19,480 --> 01:11:21,760
review of for the ceremony renaming of a

1497
01:11:21,760 --> 01:11:23,560
portion of Barrett Street from here on

1498
01:11:23,560 --> 01:11:25,679
to the intersection of South from

1499
01:11:25,679 --> 01:11:28,199
Marlene Hill Way the public hearing was

1500
01:11:28,199 --> 01:11:32,640
held on September 23rd 2024 Mr M is not

1501
01:11:32,640 --> 01:11:35,159
here so I'll just take this agenda item

1502
01:11:35,159 --> 01:11:40,080
and um so have any discussions around

1503
01:11:40,080 --> 01:11:43,679
that yes Mr T yes U there's been quite a

1504
01:11:43,679 --> 01:11:44,800
bit

1505
01:11:44,800 --> 01:11:48,800
of um disc communication discussion um

1506
01:11:48,800 --> 01:11:51,080
even again today we received a letter

1507
01:11:51,080 --> 01:11:54,679
from you know another individual um I I

1508
01:11:54,679 --> 01:11:55,760
really think

1509
01:11:55,760 --> 01:11:59,360
that you know again everyone you know

1510
01:11:59,360 --> 01:12:02,000
acknowledges Marley and Hill and and and

1511
01:12:02,000 --> 01:12:05,199
great um her greatness to the city of

1512
01:12:05,199 --> 01:12:07,880
sken there's just I there's just been

1513
01:12:07,880 --> 01:12:10,040
way too much I I'm just not comfortable

1514
01:12:10,040 --> 01:12:11,800
at this point um with some of the

1515
01:12:11,800 --> 01:12:13,760
letters that we've been getting in um

1516
01:12:13,760 --> 01:12:16,800
trying to even move this forward um I

1517
01:12:16,800 --> 01:12:19,960
realize we should honor her um you know

1518
01:12:19,960 --> 01:12:22,280
if the family wants I I I think you know

1519
01:12:22,280 --> 01:12:23,600
uh the street that she was born and

1520
01:12:23,600 --> 01:12:25,960
raised on and what she did there

1521
01:12:25,960 --> 01:12:28,159
um reading some of the letters that are

1522
01:12:28,159 --> 01:12:30,360
coming into us and and the individuals

1523
01:12:30,360 --> 01:12:32,800
that they're from um I I just think

1524
01:12:32,800 --> 01:12:37,920
there's just way too much discussion and

1525
01:12:37,920 --> 01:12:41,239
um and uh information from the

1526
01:12:41,239 --> 01:12:44,120
community not favoring this for us to

1527
01:12:44,120 --> 01:12:46,880
kind of reconsider doing an alternative

1528
01:12:46,880 --> 01:12:49,830
something for

1529
01:12:49,840 --> 01:12:54,840
Martin um so and so I we all have gotten

1530
01:12:54,840 --> 01:12:57,719
the the the uh information um I just

1531
01:12:57,719 --> 01:12:59,520
want to frame this in terms of the fact

1532
01:12:59,520 --> 01:13:02,600
that uh we have a process in terms of um

1533
01:13:02,600 --> 01:13:05,199
ceremonial naming and uh this family has

1534
01:13:05,199 --> 01:13:08,880
gone through that process so I uh and

1535
01:13:08,880 --> 01:13:11,159
when we first began this discussion we

1536
01:13:11,159 --> 01:13:17,000
did talk about um having a a plaque we we had several things the council was

1537
01:13:17,000 --> 01:13:19,679
not in um you know that's excuse me the

1538
01:13:19,679 --> 01:13:21,040
family was not in agreement to that so

1539
01:13:21,040 --> 01:13:23,159
they wanted to move ahead with the

1540
01:13:23,159 --> 01:13:25,679
process that we have put in place

1541
01:13:25,679 --> 01:13:29,080
in terms of um ceremonially naming a

1542
01:13:29,080 --> 01:13:30,840
street so they've gone through that

1543
01:13:30,840 --> 01:13:32,880
process um they've turned in more than

1544
01:13:32,880 --> 01:13:36,159
enough names um I'm sorry you have

1545
01:13:36,159 --> 01:13:39,080
something yeah I just go go through the

1546
01:13:39,080 --> 01:13:41,239
there's 550 raw

1547
01:13:41,239 --> 01:13:44,520
signatures and the ordinance requires

1548
01:13:44,520 --> 01:13:47,040
75% from the neighborhood and the

1549
01:13:47,040 --> 01:13:50,560
neighborhood that's 140 three

1550
01:13:50,560 --> 01:13:54,000
signatures and I looked at the the the

1551
01:13:54,000 --> 01:13:56,920
neighborhood is described D in SK County

1552
01:13:56,920 --> 01:14:00,120
Planning goes from about not Street all

1553
01:14:00,120 --> 01:14:01,840
the way out down

1554
01:14:01,840 --> 01:14:05,480
to The Stockade out towards Broadway and

1555
01:14:05,480 --> 01:14:07,159
I also looked at the election District

1556
01:14:07,159 --> 01:14:09,560
that particular street is in and that's

1557
01:14:09,560 --> 01:14:11,280
in the fourth election District which

1558
01:14:11,280 --> 01:14:15,120
goes that the borders go up to Avenue A

1559
01:14:15,120 --> 01:14:18,800
Avenue B bordered by Senus Street as if

1560
01:14:18,800 --> 01:14:21,760
upon FR Frankin Avenue so for your

1561
01:14:21,760 --> 01:14:24,719
reference so they met them they met the

1562
01:14:24,719 --> 01:14:26,840
uh no they no not the

1563
01:14:26,840 --> 01:14:29,239
75% they did not mean the not within

1564
01:14:29,239 --> 01:14:31,360
that that neighborhood I the

1565
01:14:31,360 --> 01:14:32,880
neighborhood that I was looking at the

1566
01:14:32,880 --> 01:14:35,199
SK the County planning definition of

1567
01:14:35,199 --> 01:14:38,440
neighborhood as well as the boundaries

1568
01:14:38,440 --> 01:14:40,760
of the election District that

1569
01:14:40,760 --> 01:14:43,520
particular uh residents and looking

1570
01:14:43,520 --> 01:14:47,000
those two things they they it's 143

1571
01:14:47,000 --> 01:14:49,239
signatures are out of that neighborhood

1572
01:14:49,239 --> 01:14:53,320
now what you can do is there's options I

1573
01:14:53,320 --> 01:14:56,199
mean you can deny it approve it or give

1574
01:14:56,199 --> 01:14:58,080
them 180

1575
01:14:58,080 --> 01:15:03,520
days so to get no signatures right okay

1576
01:15:03,520 --> 01:15:07,960
um that's just for the for the okay so

1577
01:15:07,960 --> 01:15:09,760
um so now again we're putting on a

1578
01:15:09,760 --> 01:15:11,360
standard that we've never asked other

1579
01:15:11,360 --> 01:15:12,880
people to do in terms of did we ever

1580
01:15:12,880 --> 01:15:14,400
drill down to what a neighborhood look

1581
01:15:14,400 --> 01:15:16,440
like because we have had other people

1582
01:15:16,440 --> 01:15:19,120
submit the necessary signatures and I

1583
01:15:19,120 --> 01:15:20,840
don't think it ever came to the point

1584
01:15:20,840 --> 01:15:22,040
that it was questioned were they really

1585
01:15:22,040 --> 01:15:23,600
within the neighborhood so again I don't

1586
01:15:23,600 --> 01:15:26,120
want to like start uh creating standards

1587
01:15:26,120 --> 01:15:28,639
that we did not Implement before if

1588
01:15:28,639 --> 01:15:30,800
going forward we need to do that but we

1589
01:15:30,800 --> 01:15:35,040
did not do that and so Madam chair I I I

1590
01:15:35,040 --> 01:15:37,080
I'm just looking at the but the numbers

1591
01:15:37,080 --> 01:15:39,480
for this time and that's how I did it

1592
01:15:39,480 --> 01:15:42,239
and Reporting back to the coun what it

1593
01:15:42,239 --> 01:15:43,560
is I don't know what happened in the

1594
01:15:43,560 --> 01:15:44,920
past I'm just giving you what the

1595
01:15:44,920 --> 01:15:47,199
numbers are now and indeed and in the

1596
01:15:47,199 --> 01:15:48,480
future we need to move forward but I

1597
01:15:48,480 --> 01:15:50,199
think right now we just need to work

1598
01:15:50,199 --> 01:15:53,000
with the legislation the way it is um

1599
01:15:53,000 --> 01:15:55,000
and we never again drill down to to the

1600
01:15:55,000 --> 01:15:57,840
75% so I'm a little I'm I'm not inclined

1601
01:15:57,840 --> 01:16:01,560
to do that um my suggestion is though

1602
01:16:01,560 --> 01:16:04,159
that because again we we said let's do

1603
01:16:04,159 --> 01:16:05,679
the plaque we came up with a number of

1604
01:16:05,679 --> 01:16:09,040
things um my suggestion would be that um

1605
01:16:09,040 --> 01:16:11,320
because the problem seems to be that

1606
01:16:11,320 --> 01:16:12,520
they

1607
01:16:12,520 --> 01:16:15,440
that it's it shouldn't it the request is

1608
01:16:15,440 --> 01:16:18,920
that it not be on the same hole so um

1609
01:16:18,920 --> 01:16:20,760
but it'd be in the same neighborhood

1610
01:16:20,760 --> 01:16:24,040
even on the same street so um I'm I'm

1611
01:16:24,040 --> 01:16:26,880
comfortable with it um being on the same

1612
01:16:26,880 --> 01:16:29,159
street however instead of the um

1613
01:16:29,159 --> 01:16:31,679
ceremonial sign going north towards hon

1614
01:16:31,679 --> 01:16:34,120
that it would go south towards um

1615
01:16:34,120 --> 01:16:36,080
towards Union Street and then it would

1616
01:16:36,080 --> 01:16:38,679
not be on the same pole even the people

1617
01:16:38,679 --> 01:16:40,120
the family that brought this forward

1618
01:16:40,120 --> 01:16:41,719
said they just want to do something for

1619
01:16:41,719 --> 01:16:43,679
their family member they did not want to

1620
01:16:43,679 --> 01:16:45,679
interfere with the other family member

1621
01:16:45,679 --> 01:16:48,880
was family was doing so in my in my mind

1622
01:16:48,880 --> 01:16:50,520
that would not interfere with the other

1623
01:16:50,520 --> 01:16:53,199
family was doing but we would have um

1624
01:16:53,199 --> 01:16:56,120
been consider uh consideration to both

1625
01:16:56,120 --> 01:16:58,320
families as opposed to say well go back

1626
01:16:58,320 --> 01:17:01,120
now and you know do it where wherever

1627
01:17:01,120 --> 01:17:03,280
else or do something else we've asked

1628
01:17:03,280 --> 01:17:05,600
people to do this we did not give them

1629
01:17:05,600 --> 01:17:08,639
those drill down specifics uh we just

1630
01:17:08,639 --> 01:17:11,880
gave them a general and um so that would

1631
01:17:11,880 --> 01:17:13,639
be my suggestion I went over to

1632
01:17:13,639 --> 01:17:16,080
specifically to drive over to see what

1633
01:17:16,080 --> 01:17:19,600
it was visually and um so like I said

1634
01:17:19,600 --> 01:17:21,920
for me not not going towards here on

1635
01:17:21,920 --> 01:17:24,080
street but going in the other direction

1636
01:17:24,080 --> 01:17:25,800
would then set as

1637
01:17:25,800 --> 01:17:28,880
y I won't say but satisfy I think it's a

1638
01:17:28,880 --> 01:17:30,280
fair

1639
01:17:30,280 --> 01:17:34,400
compromise based on the number of U

1640
01:17:34,400 --> 01:17:37,600
correspondents we've gotten and um as

1641
01:17:37,600 --> 01:17:39,239
you've alluded to they haven't always

1642
01:17:39,239 --> 01:17:42,320
been um pleasant but I'm not necessarily

1643
01:17:42,320 --> 01:17:44,000
saying which family they came from but I

1644
01:17:44,000 --> 01:17:45,320
think there's just been a lot of input

1645
01:17:45,320 --> 01:17:47,920
and a lot of discussion around this so

1646
01:17:47,920 --> 01:17:50,920
that would be my suggestion that we um

1647
01:17:50,920 --> 01:17:54,960
we compromise in that way so

1648
01:17:54,960 --> 01:17:59,360
yes Mr Mayor again this has happened two

1649
01:17:59,360 --> 01:18:03,159
times before one was with Don Burch uh

1650
01:18:03,159 --> 01:18:06,440
there was a big outpouring question

1651
01:18:06,440 --> 01:18:07,840
whether the signatures were solely

1652
01:18:07,840 --> 01:18:09,480
within that neighborhood or he had a

1653
01:18:09,480 --> 01:18:10,840
wider

1654
01:18:10,840 --> 01:18:13,280
constituency that was put up the other

1655
01:18:13,280 --> 01:18:16,000
one was with Martin Luther King way

1656
01:18:16,000 --> 01:18:18,920
renaming the ceremonial component of

1657
01:18:18,920 --> 01:18:22,360
Albany Street they did do the level of

1658
01:18:22,360 --> 01:18:25,400
signatures or whatever I took and just

1659
01:18:25,400 --> 01:18:28,800
discounted that and put the sign up

1660
01:18:28,800 --> 01:18:34,000
independent of that and you know seem to

1661
01:18:34,000 --> 01:18:37,800
have made people semi-happy some members

1662
01:18:37,800 --> 01:18:39,199
of the council were mad at me the

1663
01:18:39,199 --> 01:18:41,880
general public was happy it's the nature

1664
01:18:41,880 --> 01:18:43,520
of the job sometimes you just make a

1665
01:18:43,520 --> 01:18:46,000
decision move ahead and get things done

1666
01:18:46,000 --> 01:18:48,760
and not spend all the time and effort

1667
01:18:48,760 --> 01:18:50,560
Milling around on some of these things

1668
01:18:50,560 --> 01:18:52,239
that really don't

1669
01:18:52,239 --> 01:18:56,480
matter other council member on

1670
01:18:56,480 --> 01:18:59,120
this Mr Williams

1671
01:18:59,120 --> 01:19:02,639
Mr I saw two hands like at the same time

1672
01:19:02,639 --> 01:19:04,320
uh I was going to say thank you to Mr uh

1673
01:19:04,320 --> 01:19:06,080
O'Brien I definitely think being on the

1674
01:19:06,080 --> 01:19:08,080
council it's been a constantly learning

1675
01:19:08,080 --> 01:19:09,480
experience for me but definitely the

1676
01:19:09,480 --> 01:19:12,000
interpretation of previous and then as

1677
01:19:12,000 --> 01:19:13,920
we are provide additional context that

1678
01:19:13,920 --> 01:19:16,639
helps us understand how best to like

1679
01:19:16,639 --> 01:19:19,280
apply the law as it SE fit so I want to

1680
01:19:19,280 --> 01:19:21,199
say one of the the measures moving

1681
01:19:21,199 --> 01:19:23,719
forward I would like to identify if

1682
01:19:23,719 --> 01:19:24,719
there's a way we can make that

1683
01:19:24,719 --> 01:19:26,800
distinction very visible or

1684
01:19:26,800 --> 01:19:28,320
understanding not only for ourselves but

1685
01:19:28,320 --> 01:19:29,880
also to the applicants who looking to

1686
01:19:29,880 --> 01:19:32,600
these types of considerations um to miss

1687
01:19:32,600 --> 01:19:34,760
the Toro's point I definitely was I

1688
01:19:34,760 --> 01:19:36,920
let's say taken aback by the number of

1689
01:19:36,920 --> 01:19:38,320
correspondents that we've been receiving

1690
01:19:38,320 --> 01:19:41,920
on this this topic and it seems to be

1691
01:19:41,920 --> 01:19:43,800
wanting to have a

1692
01:19:43,800 --> 01:19:46,040
better a better implementation on

1693
01:19:46,040 --> 01:19:49,040
location uh so to miss P Field's

1694
01:19:49,040 --> 01:19:50,280
response

1695
01:19:50,280 --> 01:19:52,480
andos of want to make sure we do the

1696
01:19:52,480 --> 01:19:56,040
right step I think it compromises more than appropriate I just want to

1697
01:19:56,040 --> 01:19:57,800
make sure that we are communicating that

1698
01:19:57,800 --> 01:19:59,920
to both families and potentially

1699
01:19:59,920 --> 01:20:02,520
adjusting the law or the code so that we

1700
01:20:02,520 --> 01:20:04,040
can not to run into the situation in the

1701
01:20:04,040 --> 01:20:06,639
future so potentially having a limit on

1702
01:20:06,639 --> 01:20:11,080
the number of uh ceremonial signs in one

1703
01:20:11,080 --> 01:20:13,520
area I think that would help us prepare

1704
01:20:13,520 --> 01:20:15,040
the council and how it is going to

1705
01:20:15,040 --> 01:20:17,560
practice moving forward

1706
01:20:17,560 --> 01:20:20,000
speak uh what you hand

1707
01:20:20,000 --> 01:20:25,000
up okay then sure so I I think you know

1708
01:20:25,000 --> 01:20:27,480
my understanding of this is that you

1709
01:20:27,480 --> 01:20:30,920
know we want to be able to honor um both

1710
01:20:30,920 --> 01:20:32,880
these individuals for the contributions

1711
01:20:32,880 --> 01:20:35,480
that they made to the city is connec um

1712
01:20:35,480 --> 01:20:37,400
we don't we want to do that in a way

1713
01:20:37,400 --> 01:20:40,400
that doesn't um crouch on one another

1714
01:20:40,400 --> 01:20:42,239
and I think that this of what you're

1715
01:20:42,239 --> 01:20:45,199
suggesting uh president CI accomplishes

1716
01:20:45,199 --> 01:20:47,639
that I think anytime that you're talking

1717
01:20:47,639 --> 01:20:50,040
about families and Legacies that a

1718
01:20:50,040 --> 01:20:52,560
certain level of evokes a certain level

1719
01:20:52,560 --> 01:20:56,440
of promotion and I think that so I'm I'm

1720
01:20:56,440 --> 01:21:00,400
not surprised that um you know that that

1721
01:21:00,400 --> 01:21:02,000
people have strong feelings as to how we

1722
01:21:02,000 --> 01:21:04,440
should move moving forward but again I

1723
01:21:04,440 --> 01:21:05,639
think that you

1724
01:21:05,639 --> 01:21:09,080
know if these are two individuals that

1725
01:21:09,080 --> 01:21:12,679
contributed to the city um we can make

1726
01:21:12,679 --> 01:21:15,239
sure that they both get the recognition

1727
01:21:15,239 --> 01:21:17,360
that they deserve in a way that doesn't

1728
01:21:17,360 --> 01:21:19,840
encou on one another I think that's the

1729
01:21:19,840 --> 01:21:21,840
best way to do it I do have a question

1730
01:21:21,840 --> 01:21:23,880
for Corporation counsel though when you

1731
01:21:23,880 --> 01:21:25,080
um

1732
01:21:25,080 --> 01:21:26,800
we're doing your research can you tell

1733
01:21:26,800 --> 01:21:28,600
me like you you were saying that it

1734
01:21:28,600 --> 01:21:31,840
should be a a certain amount of names

1735
01:21:31,840 --> 01:21:33,880
within the neighborhood how many how

1736
01:21:33,880 --> 01:21:37,120
what was the percentage of 75% that's

1737
01:21:37,120 --> 01:21:38,639
the that that's that's what the

1738
01:21:38,639 --> 01:21:40,159
ordinance says that's what the ordinance

1739
01:21:40,159 --> 01:21:42,880
says so it's 75% from the neighborhood

1740
01:21:42,880 --> 01:21:45,120
corre and the neighbor how I defined is

1741
01:21:45,120 --> 01:21:47,320
how it's connecting to County Planning

1742
01:21:47,320 --> 01:21:50,159
defines neighborhood plus I also added

1743
01:21:50,159 --> 01:21:52,880
on the election District where that

1744
01:21:52,880 --> 01:21:55,120
particular street is on and as part of

1745
01:21:55,120 --> 01:22:02,920
the neighborhood okay all right and how many So based on what was turned

1746
01:22:02,920 --> 01:22:04,679
in how many of those signatures came in

1747
01:22:04,679 --> 01:22:05,760
within the neighborhood within the

1748
01:22:05,760 --> 01:22:08,159
neighborhood based on 143 I believe I

1749
01:22:08,159 --> 01:22:09,840
and how many would you need in order to

1750
01:22:09,840 --> 01:22:11,480
be I think it's 200 and some odd

1751
01:22:11,480 --> 01:22:13,840
signatures they get up they get up to

1752
01:22:13,840 --> 01:22:15,480
the uh uh

1753
01:22:15,480 --> 01:22:20,320
375 okay M Patrick did you have something

1754
01:22:20,320 --> 01:22:22,639
well I think though um I'm not sure

1755
01:22:22,639 --> 01:22:25,960
about this but um

1756
01:22:25,960 --> 01:22:28,480
there's not a lot of residential that's

1757
01:22:28,480 --> 01:22:31,880
true property on that on the street in

1758
01:22:31,880 --> 01:22:34,159
terms of numbers of yeah but I

1759
01:22:34,159 --> 01:22:36,159
understanding that I also you know I I

1760
01:22:36,159 --> 01:22:38,480
looked it went the how they Define

1761
01:22:38,480 --> 01:22:41,960
neighborhood okay is The Stockade out to

1762
01:22:41,960 --> 01:22:45,920
Lower Broadway and all and then if you

1763
01:22:45,920 --> 01:22:47,159
look at the election District it's

1764
01:22:47,159 --> 01:22:50,199
always passed to you know out to syus

1765
01:22:50,199 --> 01:22:52,199
Street as as a border and then up to

1766
01:22:52,199 --> 01:22:55,199
Avenue a and Avenue B and Bren Franken

1767
01:22:55,199 --> 01:22:57,080
Avenue up from that particular

1768
01:22:57,080 --> 01:23:04,800
neighborhood up Union Street so it's a it's large it's a large area as

1769
01:23:04,800 --> 01:23:07,960
far as the definitions under under scan

1770
01:23:07,960 --> 01:23:10,920
County Planning in the election District

1771
01:23:10,920 --> 01:23:12,719
Miss Miss ver did you want to add

1772
01:23:12,719 --> 01:23:16,440
something um excuse me yes uh the

1773
01:23:16,440 --> 01:23:18,679
council um can approve or deny the

1774
01:23:18,679 --> 01:23:21,000
application for any reason or reasons

1775
01:23:21,000 --> 01:23:23,080
the members determine to be in the best

1776
01:23:23,080 --> 01:23:25,600
interest of the city per the city code

1777
01:23:25,600 --> 01:23:26,639
so you

1778
01:23:26,639 --> 01:23:28,840
don't you don't necessarily have to have

1779
01:23:28,840 --> 01:23:30,520
that number of signatures the the

1780
01:23:30,520 --> 01:23:32,719
council can choose to accept or deny the

1781
01:23:32,719 --> 01:23:35,520
application for whatever reason the

1782
01:23:35,520 --> 01:23:37,159
council

1783
01:23:37,159 --> 01:23:39,760
chooses so it's not the code the

1784
01:23:39,760 --> 01:23:41,920
code

1785
01:23:41,920 --> 01:23:46,760
um it's not an end all be all the

1786
01:23:46,760 --> 01:23:48,280
75%

1787
01:23:48,280 --> 01:23:50,760
Mr and that might shed some light on

1788
01:23:50,760 --> 01:23:52,120
what I was going to think last and I

1789
01:23:52,120 --> 01:23:54,280
think moving forward to Mr Williams

1790
01:23:54,280 --> 01:23:55,880
point maybe we need to have like a

1791
01:23:55,880 --> 01:23:58,320
different formula than a 500 because if

1792
01:23:58,320 --> 01:24:00,159
you don't have 500 you know or this

1793
01:24:00,159 --> 01:24:02,679
neighborhood you can have you know uh

1794
01:24:02,679 --> 01:24:04,120
selection of you know thousands of

1795
01:24:04,120 --> 01:24:06,000
residents and in this neighborhood you

1796
01:24:06,000 --> 01:24:08,800
might only have you know a much smaller

1797
01:24:08,800 --> 01:24:11,760
amount so maybe um us looking at

1798
01:24:11,760 --> 01:24:14,400
addressing that in the code just because

1799
01:24:14,400 --> 01:24:17,080
I would like the code to Define it

1800
01:24:17,080 --> 01:24:19,440
pretty clear so it's not

1801
01:24:19,440 --> 01:24:21,920
really so it's clear for everyone and

1802
01:24:21,920 --> 01:24:23,600
you know and everyone feels you know

1803
01:24:23,600 --> 01:24:25,199
better about moving for so we know

1804
01:24:25,199 --> 01:24:27,760
exactly what people's capability to do

1805
01:24:27,760 --> 01:24:29,320
this I know that that

1806
01:24:29,320 --> 01:24:31,719
might add some work as far as now we

1807
01:24:31,719 --> 01:24:34,480
have to know have the DAT on how many

1808
01:24:34,480 --> 01:24:36,719
eligible people would be able to sign a

1809
01:24:36,719 --> 01:24:38,000
petition but I think that is something

1810
01:24:38,000 --> 01:24:41,470
that we might want to look at as a

1811
01:24:41,480 --> 01:24:44,600
council Mr I don't think we should have

1812
01:24:44,600 --> 01:24:46,400
the family go back and get more

1813
01:24:46,400 --> 01:24:48,600
signatures I think they've gotten the

1814
01:24:48,600 --> 01:24:50,520
signatures if we were going to change

1815
01:24:50,520 --> 01:24:52,760
that we probably should have told them

1816
01:24:52,760 --> 01:24:55,480
theyed in the beginning of process I'd

1817
01:24:55,480 --> 01:24:57,560
like the compromise that you put forward

1818
01:24:57,560 --> 01:25:01,390
and I would be in support of

1819
01:25:01,400 --> 01:25:06,199
that so um anyone else so it's just you

1820
01:25:06,199 --> 01:25:08,719
and I um tonight miss Patrick I'm okay

1821
01:25:08,719 --> 01:25:11,840
with the compromise okay with that so um

1822
01:25:11,840 --> 01:25:13,159
do you want

1823
01:25:13,159 --> 01:25:17,669
to make the

1824
01:25:17,679 --> 01:25:20,280
motion we're just doing a portion of

1825
01:25:20,280 --> 01:25:22,199
Barrett Street from here on street to

1826
01:25:22,199 --> 01:25:26,400
the no okay then I need okay so so what

1827
01:25:26,400 --> 01:25:28,639
I what I'm suggesting is that we not

1828
01:25:28,639 --> 01:25:31,159
started here on street but is it South

1829
01:25:31,159 --> 01:25:33,679
Avenue the next street over South the

1830
01:25:33,679 --> 01:25:35,800
South Avenue um what I'm suggesting we

1831
01:25:35,800 --> 01:25:38,360
start South Avenue and go towards y

1832
01:25:38,360 --> 01:25:40,960
Street in the um so towards the South as

1833
01:25:40,960 --> 01:25:43,080
opposed to going to euron which is a

1834
01:25:43,080 --> 01:25:47,280
North this way they um the need there's

1835
01:25:47,280 --> 01:25:50,119
no pole with both yeah um on the same

1836
01:25:50,119 --> 01:25:51,719
sign and and let's just keep in mind

1837
01:25:51,719 --> 01:25:54,360
that Luigi Lane is not ceremonial it's

1838
01:25:54,360 --> 01:25:57,040
actually a chang name and we've already

1839
01:25:57,040 --> 01:25:59,440
passed that and and you know at this

1840
01:25:59,440 --> 01:26:01,159
point in time it's whatever the city you

1841
01:26:01,159 --> 01:26:03,760
know the um f department has to do what

1842
01:26:03,760 --> 01:26:05,840
whoever to get that that that part's

1843
01:26:05,840 --> 01:26:08,040
already done so I'm suggesting that we

1844
01:26:08,040 --> 01:26:10,119
start South and and go south for the

1845
01:26:10,119 --> 01:26:12,800
ceremonial naming and that way um

1846
01:26:12,800 --> 01:26:15,360
hopefully maybe nobody's gets everything

1847
01:26:15,360 --> 01:26:17,239
they want but somebody gets some people

1848
01:26:17,239 --> 01:26:19,080
Everyone Gets something that they want

1849
01:26:19,080 --> 01:26:20,920
so that's my suggestion so that's what

1850
01:26:20,920 --> 01:26:22,119
the motion would be do you want to make

1851
01:26:22,119 --> 01:26:24,840
the motion I can make the motion I I'd

1852
01:26:24,840 --> 01:26:27,159
make a motion that we um accept the

1853
01:26:27,159 --> 01:26:29,119
signatures for the C woman naming a

1854
01:26:29,119 --> 01:26:31,239
portion of be Street starting at South

1855
01:26:31,239 --> 01:26:34,199
Avenue um and two blocks to I think it's

1856
01:26:34,199 --> 01:26:37,280
two blocks to Union Street tomorrow he

1857
01:26:37,280 --> 01:26:43,520
I'll second all those in favor I thank you for your discussion oh okay

1858
01:26:43,520 --> 01:26:45,400
M Williams no I was just going to say

1859
01:26:45,400 --> 01:26:46,960
adding into that I definitely am a

1860
01:26:46,960 --> 01:26:48,719
proponent of addressing issues have we

1861
01:26:48,719 --> 01:26:51,719
encounter them so as we are moving uh to

1862
01:26:51,719 --> 01:26:53,639
a conclusion what this matter uh it's a

1863
01:26:53,639 --> 01:26:56,159
corporation Council uh recommendations

1864
01:26:56,159 --> 01:26:58,040
for like having clear language would you

1865
01:26:58,040 --> 01:27:00,280
recommend either having our own City

1866
01:27:00,280 --> 01:27:02,679
definition of neighborhood or I think I

1867
01:27:02,679 --> 01:27:06,960
think the I think the definitions are fine I you know it's neighborhood

1868
01:27:06,960 --> 01:27:10,159
because each you know each definition is

1869
01:27:10,159 --> 01:27:11,600
and then coupled it with the election

1870
01:27:11,600 --> 01:27:13,119
District you get a good sense of the

1871
01:27:13,119 --> 01:27:15,239
neighborhood and I also think the way it

1872
01:27:15,239 --> 01:27:17,280
was as the the corporation has to

1873
01:27:17,280 --> 01:27:19,800
pointed out you you you've got city

1874
01:27:19,800 --> 01:27:21,920
council review May approve or deny the

1875
01:27:21,920 --> 01:27:23,880
application for any reason or or you

1876
01:27:23,880 --> 01:27:25,360
know for any reason or reasons the

1877
01:27:25,360 --> 01:27:26,960
members May determine the best interest

1878
01:27:26,960 --> 01:27:28,920
of the city so

1879
01:27:28,920 --> 01:27:30,920
the you have

1880
01:27:30,920 --> 01:27:33,400
requirements but you also have latitude

1881
01:27:33,400 --> 01:27:36,679
to wave for lack of a better term those

1882
01:27:36,679 --> 01:27:39,440
requirements so you have a standard but

1883
01:27:39,440 --> 01:27:40,600
you also you know under the

1884
01:27:40,600 --> 01:27:42,880
circumstances you can you can wave those

1885
01:27:42,880 --> 01:27:44,119
and that's what we've done in this

1886
01:27:44,119 --> 01:27:45,239
particular case and I think the

1887
01:27:45,239 --> 01:27:47,840
ordinance is as written is fine for

1888
01:27:47,840 --> 01:27:50,639
those situations there was 500

1889
01:27:50,639 --> 01:27:53,040
signatures the the the issue was the

1890
01:27:53,040 --> 01:27:58,119
amount of in the neighborhood but um you

1891
01:27:58,119 --> 01:28:02,480
can you can accept it or or or not and

1892
01:28:02,480 --> 01:28:05,239
you can deny it for any reason or accept

1893
01:28:05,239 --> 01:28:06,639
it for any reason we've indicated the

1894
01:28:06,639 --> 01:28:09,320
reasons why you accepted and I think we

1895
01:28:09,320 --> 01:28:10,560
should maybe consider the amount of

1896
01:28:10,560 --> 01:28:12,679
signatures that's that's pretty a pretty

1897
01:28:12,679 --> 01:28:14,239
steep number but that would be something

1898
01:28:14,239 --> 01:28:17,719
we um would uh talk about going forward

1899
01:28:17,719 --> 01:28:19,040
that see you had something you want to

1900
01:28:19,040 --> 01:28:21,880
add to this uh yeah just quickly if I

1901
01:28:21,880 --> 01:28:24,600
could so the department of development

1902
01:28:24,600 --> 01:28:26,199
starting our comprehensive planning

1903
01:28:26,199 --> 01:28:28,239
thing and one of the first steps in that

1904
01:28:28,239 --> 01:28:29,880
is going to be analyzing and defining

1905
01:28:29,880 --> 01:28:31,840
neighborhoods we're going to be reaching

1906
01:28:31,840 --> 01:28:34,360
out to them as well so we can uh have a

1907
01:28:34,360 --> 01:28:37,360
very defined set of of uh neighborhoods

1908
01:28:37,360 --> 01:28:39,280
get populations and demographics along

1909
01:28:39,280 --> 01:28:40,679
with that and i' be happy to pass that

1910
01:28:40,679 --> 01:28:42,280
on to the council when the time is ready

1911
01:28:42,280 --> 01:28:44,199
so that can help ease this process with

1912
01:28:44,199 --> 01:28:45,760
will have soon that would help our

1913
01:28:45,760 --> 01:28:47,199
process greatly if we knew how many

1914
01:28:47,199 --> 01:28:48,960
people were in each neighborhood then we

1915
01:28:48,960 --> 01:28:51,080
could really um create our legislation

1916
01:28:51,080 --> 01:28:53,199
so it's not uh burdensome for

1917
01:28:53,199 --> 01:28:55,320
individuals could you always once that's

1918
01:28:55,320 --> 01:28:57,800
done you can always amend this ordinance

1919
01:28:57,800 --> 01:28:59,679
as another subpar said the following are

1920
01:28:59,679 --> 01:29:02,199
recognized neighborhoods and then then

1921
01:29:02,199 --> 01:29:04,080
you then you you'll have a starting

1922
01:29:04,080 --> 01:29:05,719
point until then no ceremonial

1923
01:29:05,719 --> 01:29:08,000
resolutions is

1924
01:29:08,000 --> 01:29:10,840
that okay um so it's been moov in second

1925
01:29:10,840 --> 01:29:14,320
so um but so the uh next item on the

1926
01:29:14,320 --> 01:29:18,440
agenda is the um vape and smoke shop

1927
01:29:18,440 --> 01:29:20,920
zoning ordinance and cannabis right Mr

1928
01:29:20,920 --> 01:29:23,480
okay Mr O'Brien yes uh thank you uh

1929
01:29:23,480 --> 01:29:25,600
Madam president um if you recall a

1930
01:29:25,600 --> 01:29:28,159
couple of months ago um we you all

1931
01:29:28,159 --> 01:29:31,800
passed the the uh fape shop or ordinance

1932
01:29:31,800 --> 01:29:33,600
and at the time there was discussion

1933
01:29:33,600 --> 01:29:37,440
about the Cannabis shops and using that

1934
01:29:37,440 --> 01:29:40,119
Amendment to the code that you all just

1935
01:29:40,119 --> 01:29:43,119
amended as a as a as a starting point

1936
01:29:43,119 --> 01:29:47,040
for dealing with uh the the zoning of

1937
01:29:47,040 --> 01:29:49,520
cannabis shops and I you know as you

1938
01:29:49,520 --> 01:29:51,040
know in the last several months there's

1939
01:29:51,040 --> 01:29:53,239
been a number of cannabis shops that

1940
01:29:53,239 --> 01:29:55,800
have been open open throughout the city

1941
01:29:55,800 --> 01:30:00,159
501 uh uh State Street 245 Broadway

1942
01:30:00,159 --> 01:30:05,679
Lower Broadway um and uh there and I

1943
01:30:05,679 --> 01:30:07,719
also have provided you and the city

1944
01:30:07,719 --> 01:30:11,040
clerk has provided you with a uh

1945
01:30:11,040 --> 01:30:13,760
application a notice of application from

1946
01:30:13,760 --> 01:30:15,520
a location on Burling

1947
01:30:15,520 --> 01:30:18,760
Street now the office of Canabis

1948
01:30:18,760 --> 01:30:20,760
management have issued regulations and

1949
01:30:20,760 --> 01:30:24,600
they Rec comonly referred to as rule 119

1950
01:30:24,600 --> 01:30:27,239
and I previously I'm sorry refer to R

1951
01:30:27,239 --> 01:30:30,760
rule 119 119

1952
01:30:30,760 --> 01:30:33,880
and I provided you with copies of the

1953
01:30:33,880 --> 01:30:37,960
relevant portions of rule 119 and the

1954
01:30:37,960 --> 01:30:41,000
first part of rule 119 that will briefly

1955
01:30:41,000 --> 01:30:44,199
talk about is 11 19.3 is notification of

1956
01:30:44,199 --> 01:30:46,840
municipalities so as far as the process

1957
01:30:46,840 --> 01:30:48,119
is

1958
01:30:48,119 --> 01:30:51,520
concerned is that prior to their an

1959
01:30:51,520 --> 01:30:54,119
applicant putting their paperwork with

1960
01:30:54,119 --> 01:30:56,159
the office of cannabis management

1961
01:30:56,159 --> 01:31:00,280
they're supposed to notify us and

1962
01:31:00,280 --> 01:31:03,600
that you as you can see is has been done

1963
01:31:03,600 --> 01:31:06,520
on regarding the gurling street and as

1964
01:31:06,520 --> 01:31:10,000
they come through we should we should uh

1965
01:31:10,000 --> 01:31:13,159
be notified and then that gives you you

1966
01:31:13,159 --> 01:31:15,639
the council the mayor an opportunity to

1967
01:31:15,639 --> 01:31:21,000
weigh in on that particular location and the office of cannabis management

1968
01:31:21,000 --> 01:31:23,400
sends that up to the board who actually

1969
01:31:23,400 --> 01:31:25,560
makes an determination regarding whether

1970
01:31:25,560 --> 01:31:28,000
they should give the license or not as

1971
01:31:28,000 --> 01:31:31,040
to uh whether what what sort of

1972
01:31:31,040 --> 01:31:33,280
community issues they are

1973
01:31:33,280 --> 01:31:36,199
M the other part of the the

1974
01:31:36,199 --> 01:31:41,560
119th I gave you was that if an

1975
01:31:41,560 --> 01:31:44,920
applicant feels that a municipality

1976
01:31:44,920 --> 01:31:50,639
has hindered their ability to uh uh run

1977
01:31:50,639 --> 01:31:52,600
their operation or do their operation

1978
01:31:52,600 --> 01:31:54,719
they can say can go to the office of

1979
01:31:54,719 --> 01:31:56,560
cannabis management and ask for an

1980
01:31:56,560 --> 01:31:59,270
advisory to

1981
01:31:59,280 --> 01:32:03,760
opinion um this is a dynamic area it's

1982
01:32:03,760 --> 01:32:06,920
changing and as you know uh the Office

1983
01:32:06,920 --> 01:32:10,000
of cisp Management um there was a a

1984
01:32:10,000 --> 01:32:13,199
backlog of licenses and since the

1985
01:32:13,199 --> 01:32:15,800
beginning of the year you can see how

1986
01:32:15,800 --> 01:32:18,520
the the governor put new you know people

1987
01:32:18,520 --> 01:32:22,040
in and as you can see the tempo has

1988
01:32:22,040 --> 01:32:24,920
changed and I think that this is a time

1989
01:32:24,920 --> 01:32:28,280
where it's okay to put claws on to see

1990
01:32:28,280 --> 01:32:31,480
whether or not you want to Zone these

1991
01:32:31,480 --> 01:32:34,560
just like zoning vape and smoke shops in

1992
01:32:34,560 --> 01:32:38,320
other words have a moratorium while a

1993
01:32:38,320 --> 01:32:41,880
zoning code is amended to deal with vape

1994
01:32:41,880 --> 01:32:44,679
shops we are allowed to do

1995
01:32:44,679 --> 01:32:47,080
that because because because it's coming

1996
01:32:47,080 --> 01:32:50,880
to zoning and I think I I in yesterday's

1997
01:32:50,880 --> 01:32:53,280
Gazette there was I believe the city of

1998
01:32:53,280 --> 01:32:56,600
Amsterdam is cold for moratorium there's

1999
01:32:56,600 --> 01:32:59,639
is 90 days

2000
01:32:59,639 --> 01:33:03,960
so we have that authority to zone so

2001
01:33:03,960 --> 01:33:06,760
before we get to the zoning we can have

2002
01:33:06,760 --> 01:33:10,159
a moratorium to see where we want these

2003
01:33:10,159 --> 01:33:14,990
locations

2004
01:33:15,000 --> 01:33:17,719
because how you want them spaced and

2005
01:33:17,719 --> 01:33:20,679
what parts of the city you want them

2006
01:33:20,679 --> 01:33:23,239
because the the one you know 501 States

2007
01:33:23,239 --> 01:33:25,320
Streed this cing in out right now just

2008
01:33:25,320 --> 01:33:28,400
recently opened um

2009
01:33:28,400 --> 01:33:32,880
is uh 1300 ft like jacket from another

2010
01:33:32,880 --> 01:33:35,119
one at 245 Lower

2011
01:33:35,119 --> 01:33:39,040
Broadway right over right over here so

2012
01:33:39,040 --> 01:33:41,920
um plus there's other applications

2013
01:33:41,920 --> 01:33:45,600
pending before the planning board of

2014
01:33:45,600 --> 01:33:48,320
other locations including one on up on

2015
01:33:48,320 --> 01:33:51,080
Eastern Avenue and one of the locations

2016
01:33:51,080 --> 01:33:57,830
ja

2017
01:33:57,840 --> 01:33:59,560
uh there was a proposed location that

2018
01:33:59,560 --> 01:34:01,920
was approved by ocm B Parkway over by

2019
01:34:01,920 --> 01:34:04,280
the Family Dollar um there's one on

2020
01:34:04,280 --> 01:34:07,480
Lower Broadway two on Lower State Street

2021
01:34:07,480 --> 01:34:09,159
um one at the new black house building

2022
01:34:09,159 --> 01:34:11,679
one at the peoples joint that that Sean

2023
01:34:11,679 --> 01:34:15,360
mentioned um on on Crane Street couple

2024
01:34:15,360 --> 01:34:17,440
on Broadway there there's quite a few

2025
01:34:17,440 --> 01:34:19,679
scatter throughout the harbor yeah in

2026
01:34:19,679 --> 01:34:21,880
the harbor as well thank

2027
01:34:21,880 --> 01:34:26,679
you so um what we can do is

2028
01:34:26,679 --> 01:34:29,040
um have a resolution calling for a

2029
01:34:29,040 --> 01:34:30,000
public

2030
01:34:30,000 --> 01:34:32,480
hearing calling for a moratorium the

2031
01:34:32,480 --> 01:34:34,199
moratorium legislation would be

2032
01:34:34,199 --> 01:34:36,560
presented to you in two weeks with the

2033
01:34:36,560 --> 01:34:39,080
idea of it being

2034
01:34:39,080 --> 01:34:44,119
uh presented and voted on uh in in

2035
01:34:44,119 --> 01:34:47,159
November um reviewing it and having a

2036
01:34:47,159 --> 01:34:48,360
90-day

2037
01:34:48,360 --> 01:34:50,520
moratorium but if you want to get to

2038
01:34:50,520 --> 01:34:52,480
that process we have to have a

2039
01:34:52,480 --> 01:34:54,239
resolution calling for public

2040
01:34:54,239 --> 01:34:58,239
hearing uh so we can adopt a moratorium

2041
01:34:58,239 --> 01:35:01,800
ordinance like we did for the B smoke

2042
01:35:01,800 --> 01:35:05,440
shops so um so so just to be clear

2043
01:35:05,440 --> 01:35:07,719
though um the the way that the state

2044
01:35:07,719 --> 01:35:10,119
regulations are out there it's a, ft in

2045
01:35:10,119 --> 01:35:13,920
a straight line so 501 and 245 Broadway

2046
01:35:13,920 --> 01:35:16,320
are not in a straight 501 State and 245

2047
01:35:16,320 --> 01:35:18,840
Broadway it's 1,300 ft anyway so it just

2048
01:35:18,840 --> 01:35:21,239
it meets the test 1300 right

2049
01:35:21,239 --> 01:35:25,080
but excuse me it meets the test

2050
01:35:25,080 --> 01:35:27,159
begin and it's also not in a straight

2051
01:35:27,159 --> 01:35:31,400
line yeah so we can we can we can as we

2052
01:35:31,400 --> 01:35:34,760
did in the lines for the vape shops we

2053
01:35:34,760 --> 01:35:37,080
can do you know do the the line the

2054
01:35:37,080 --> 01:35:40,960
lining when you how we did the lines we

2055
01:35:40,960 --> 01:35:45,480
can do that for how many feet away um so

2056
01:35:45,480 --> 01:35:49,080
we can we can do that through the zoning

2057
01:35:49,080 --> 01:35:54,000
code so I just want to be clear we can do something and override what

2058
01:35:54,000 --> 01:35:56,159
the state has said because it's our

2059
01:35:56,159 --> 01:36:00,400
zoning you it's our zoning

2060
01:36:00,400 --> 01:36:04,199
ordinance has can set certain

2061
01:36:04,199 --> 01:36:10,639
parameters as for for for uh for uh

2062
01:36:10,639 --> 01:36:12,440
distances

2063
01:36:12,440 --> 01:36:15,440
okay Mr yes thank you what about the

2064
01:36:15,440 --> 01:36:17,440
applications that are already in they

2065
01:36:17,440 --> 01:36:19,000
would have to be processed to be

2066
01:36:19,000 --> 01:36:21,440
grandfathered in but similar to the

2067
01:36:21,440 --> 01:36:24,080
moratorium but going forward we should

2068
01:36:24,080 --> 01:36:29,199
be aware of this we should be

2069
01:36:29,199 --> 01:36:32,560
proactively looking at this situation so

2070
01:36:32,560 --> 01:36:34,560
the licens there we just have to let

2071
01:36:34,560 --> 01:36:36,600
them move forward yeah if they're if

2072
01:36:36,600 --> 01:36:39,000
it's already in process but if they

2073
01:36:39,000 --> 01:36:41,960
haven't gotten the license yet if they

2074
01:36:41,960 --> 01:36:46,119
haven't got the license yet that's we don't know what the status is

2075
01:36:46,119 --> 01:36:48,040
right well a few people I mean yeah

2076
01:36:48,040 --> 01:36:49,159
there are people with their license

2077
01:36:49,159 --> 01:36:50,119
already

2078
01:36:50,119 --> 01:36:57,000
so um so at this point in time um the ask is whether we want to call for a

2079
01:36:57,000 --> 01:36:58,199
public

2080
01:36:58,199 --> 01:36:59,760
hearing

2081
01:36:59,760 --> 01:37:03,239
um to ask for a more a 90-day moratorium

2082
01:37:03,239 --> 01:37:05,360
in terms of Zoning for uh

2083
01:37:05,360 --> 01:37:07,679
cannabis you have a question I would say

2084
01:37:07,679 --> 01:37:08,679
yes thank

2085
01:37:08,679 --> 01:37:12,440
you any other discussion around

2086
01:37:12,440 --> 01:37:14,600
that I'll make that motion you make

2087
01:37:14,600 --> 01:37:16,840
motion for Public public hearing yes all

2088
01:37:16,840 --> 01:37:19,360
right I'll second in fact regarding the

2089
01:37:19,360 --> 01:37:21,400
UN research that issue

2090
01:37:21,400 --> 01:37:24,840
we the you know the the feet between

2091
01:37:24,840 --> 01:37:27,080
each one what's the measurement I want

2092
01:37:27,080 --> 01:37:30,040
to make you know make sure that we're

2093
01:37:30,040 --> 01:37:35,679
okay with you know complying with the state but also man you know abil our

2094
01:37:35,679 --> 01:37:39,320
ability to uh locate these these these

2095
01:37:39,320 --> 01:37:41,880
establishments pursuing to our code so

2096
01:37:41,880 --> 01:37:43,679
let me just state that I want to double

2097
01:37:43,679 --> 01:37:46,080
and triple check that the feed distance

2098
01:37:46,080 --> 01:37:48,360
yes okay and yeah that that would be I

2099
01:37:48,360 --> 01:37:49,480
wouldn't want us to pass something in

2100
01:37:49,480 --> 01:37:51,440
the state's like no you're you can't do

2101
01:37:51,440 --> 01:37:54,760
that but I I wanted definitely take a

2102
01:37:54,760 --> 01:37:59,470
look at that and uh

2103
01:37:59,480 --> 01:38:03,320
um so so why you're looking at that I

2104
01:38:03,320 --> 01:38:05,159
don't know I mean this seems like it's a

2105
01:38:05,159 --> 01:38:08,880
very fluid process at ocm and um so we

2106
01:38:08,880 --> 01:38:11,040
could just make sure that we're Guided

2107
01:38:11,040 --> 01:38:13,320
by the most upto-date

2108
01:38:13,320 --> 01:38:15,280
legislation that they've been putting

2109
01:38:15,280 --> 01:38:18,480
forward they put forward yeah Madam

2110
01:38:18,480 --> 01:38:21,040
chair Madam president that that's it's a

2111
01:38:21,040 --> 01:38:22,520
good observation because there was an

2112
01:38:22,520 --> 01:38:24,679
article in the New York a bar Journal

2113
01:38:24,679 --> 01:38:26,560
about that you know the very situation

2114
01:38:26,560 --> 01:38:28,840
referring to it as a dynamic situation

2115
01:38:28,840 --> 01:38:31,119
of words or substance to that because uh

2116
01:38:31,119 --> 01:38:34,080
to accommodate these shifts and they so

2117
01:38:34,080 --> 01:38:38,280
everybody has to be flexible and uh um

2118
01:38:38,280 --> 01:38:42,360
so uh yes this is a a dynamic situation

2119
01:38:42,360 --> 01:38:44,920
for both the state as well as for

2120
01:38:44,920 --> 01:38:48,360
us all right so yes just saying you do

2121
01:38:48,360 --> 01:38:51,189
like the

2122
01:38:51,199 --> 01:38:54,560
revenue well why will comment that I

2123
01:38:54,560 --> 01:38:57,560
mean you know I think that had we

2124
01:38:57,560 --> 01:39:01,679
had Fuller more full information even

2125
01:39:01,679 --> 01:39:03,480
before we decided made the decision

2126
01:39:03,480 --> 01:39:05,239
about whether we were going to opt opt

2127
01:39:05,239 --> 01:39:08,040
in or opt out was that double negative

2128
01:39:08,040 --> 01:39:11,520
thing so yes it's been very uh fluid and

2129
01:39:11,520 --> 01:39:14,800
dynamic and um you know I think some of

2130
01:39:14,800 --> 01:39:16,360
our decisions might might have been

2131
01:39:16,360 --> 01:39:19,199
different had we had a clearer picture

2132
01:39:19,199 --> 01:39:21,560
from the start so I think we have to

2133
01:39:21,560 --> 01:39:24,560
vote on the so I'm I'm um yeah so just

2134
01:39:24,560 --> 01:39:26,639
say I did want to opt out just because

2135
01:39:26,639 --> 01:39:28,080
so we wouldn't be here didn't know we'd

2136
01:39:28,080 --> 01:39:30,679
be exactly here but um but it be given

2137
01:39:30,679 --> 01:39:32,760
us more time but we are here now and now

2138
01:39:32,760 --> 01:39:34,920
we have to try to figure how we remedy

2139
01:39:34,920 --> 01:39:39,719
this um so um so a motion to call for

2140
01:39:39,719 --> 01:39:43,040
public hearing yes to um consider a

2141
01:39:43,040 --> 01:39:46,400
90day moratorium moratorium thre all

2142
01:39:46,400 --> 01:39:48,400
right I'll move

2143
01:39:48,400 --> 01:39:57,080
that I'll second all those in favor I okay we did it twice yeah we did do it

2144
01:39:57,080 --> 01:40:01,270
I just didn't think you voted

2145
01:40:01,280 --> 01:40:05,400
okay all right the final items are um

2146
01:40:05,400 --> 01:40:07,040
about property

2147
01:40:07,040 --> 01:40:09,639
sales and they'll be done the executive

2148
01:40:09,639 --> 01:40:12,040
session so at this point in time I'll

2149
01:40:12,040 --> 01:40:13,400
ask for a motion to go in the executive

2150
01:40:13,400 --> 01:40:16,960
session so move second all in favor

2151
01:40:16,960 --> 01:40:19,199
members of the public will have to

2152
01:40:19,199 --> 01:40:22,320
leave thank

2153
01:40:22,320 --> 01:40:25,960
you e

2154
01:40:25,960 --> 01:40:46,829
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