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[1:35] like to call for finance meeting for um
[1:38] well
[1:39] City we have one um committee which is
[1:43] finance turn to Mr mud thank you madam
[1:46] president um I would like to call the
[1:49] finance committee to order for this
[1:51] evening and this evening we are
[1:53] discussing going into our budget hearing
[1:55] for our 2025
[1:58] budget uh um this evening we're going to
[2:01] be um doing a budget review and then
[2:04] we'll get into Revenue Council clerks
[2:07] police fire department utility Street
[2:10] lighting development codes golf fund
[2:14] assessment receipt and we will also
[2:18] address capital budget for the various
[2:20] Department if needed so I would like to
[2:23] hand this over to Mr Ferrari for a
[2:25] budget
[2:26] review thank you Mr M mam president city
[2:30] council people uh let's say I'm welcome
[2:34] to be here for our 2025 edition of the
[2:36] budget I'm hoping that we all work
[2:39] together here you budget here off time I
[2:42] think I think we the mayor's put
[2:44] together pretty good budget and uh let's
[2:47] uh go through it with you um I just want
[2:49] to mention there's a few Corrections in
[2:51] this proposed budget of course let's
[2:54] start on the fourth page uh where the
[2:56] taxable assess value is the fourth page
[2:59] from the beginning
[3:00] it's where the where the graph is uhhuh
[3:03] okay if you look under the year
[3:07] 2025 what page is it so is it P
[3:12] Unum
[3:15] yes uh under 2025 uh the New York State
[3:19] Equalization rate is not 71 it should be
[3:22] 67% and 6
[3:25] 68.4 okay 68
[3:30] 8.45
[3:32] 2025
[3:34] 68.4 and the next line full value would
[3:37] also change by
[3:39] 68.4 we are going to we're going to
[3:41] change that when we do the adoped budget
[3:44] because it's not here sorry the state
[3:47] gave us that the game us that rate yeah
[3:52] start1 first first I got was 71
[3:55] 684 by changing that from from 71 to
[3:58] 68.4 would that affect the it's going to
[4:01] affect the full value of course it's going to be up over 3 bli
[4:07] 700,000 so that will drive the rates no
[4:10] it doesn't affect the rates at all it
[4:11] doesn't affect the r okay because it's
[4:13] just a full value I just wanted to make
[4:15] that clear on page 11 and what we did in
[4:18] this whole budget when we have a blue
[4:20] line that uh that indicates that uh we
[4:23] plan to use some ARA funding for that
[4:26] but on page 11 the ARA funding should
[4:28] not be there that the job was for the so
[4:30] Legend ER has been eliminated so there's
[4:33] no need for
[4:35] that we're moving that and
[4:41] we on page 36 the other Blue Line AR
[4:45] funding should be one R down it's not
[4:47] for uh operating engineer I'm sorry what
[4:50] page 36 page 36 it should be one down
[4:55] for two NEOS one two NEOS for 13
[5:02] 1,852 P 36 yeah you got yeah I know so
[5:06] you're CH you're moving all this is
[5:07] 197,000 you ask yeah it's going to move
[5:10] down one but the total amount we're
[5:11] going to use is 131
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[5:16] 852 it's not correct you have three here
[5:19] yeah but that's incorrect it should go
[5:21] down to there's only going to be
[5:23] two okay yeah yeah it's going for 131
[5:28] 852 okay
[5:30] yeah and again that'll be corrected be
[5:33] done about 60 Grand 60 something Grand
[5:36] all right
[5:41] uh all right so uh Mr much gave me 10
[5:45] minutes to go over this real quick so
[5:47] I'm going to try to do a high level and
[5:49] quick but I'm going to use every every
[5:50] minute that he gave me okay all right uh
[5:54] we're going to do uh the general fund
[5:56] because that's the most important fund
[5:57] that we're working with here the propos
[5:59] po 2025 budget that the mayor has sent
[6:02] out is for $ 116
[6:04] m674
[6:06] 254 it's 6.31% larger than the 2024
[6:11] adopted budget by
[6:14] 6,920
[6:16] 692 real the uh property tax levy is
[6:20] going to be increased by
[6:22] 1,333
[6:24] n34 and that is from our Levy from 2024
[6:28] of $32 million 60,000 and our proposed
[6:32] uh Levy for
[6:33] 2025 is 33 mil 393
[6:38] 394 uh this will raise the tax rate the
[6:41] tax rate uh is going to go from
[6:44] $12.90 to uh 13, 37 cents that's a 3%
[6:49] increase okay and uh also in the budget
[6:53] you're going to notice a increase in
[6:55] waste collection fees uh the waste
[6:57] collection fees were is proposed to r
[6:59] one a week this equates to
[7:01] $52 annually for a non-exempt union unit
[7:05] so the units will go from $288 to 340
[7:09] and this results in
[7:11] 1,180 679 addition additional Revenue
[7:15] compared to the 2024 budget also we want
[7:19] to increase uh uh exempt units uh an
[7:23] additional $1.75 a week or $91 per year
[7:27] and it go from the exemp UN for 137 to
[7:31] 228 ex exempt units have not been raised
[7:34] for at least 8 years that we've been
[7:37] here so I just want to do that uh we can
[7:43] you clarify exempt units exempt units so
[7:46] what's an exemp unit Molly it's anyone
[7:49] who has an exemption that's senior low
[7:51] income that's disability physical
[7:54] disability and low income and uh
[7:57] veterans disability and that and so they
[8:00] get a reduced amount and that's for if
[8:03] you have one two or three units it's
[8:05] always going to be that one price one
[8:08] yeah yeah do not increase for units just
[8:10] the one
[8:12] price so you're increasing for those
[8:14] categories we want to increase for those
[8:15] ceg
[8:17] okay okay uh and so before so let me say
[8:20] exemp does that include um non for
[8:22] profits no it does not any non
[8:25] for-profits that have a one two or three
[8:29] family unit are charged the the trash
[8:32] fee cuz they are putting trash out at
[8:34] the side of the
[8:36] curve so we we have corrected that in
[8:39] the past it's been different but we've
[8:41] corrected that because city code calls
[8:44] for that so if you're not exemp if you
[8:47] have one unit is 340 two units is uh
[8:50] would be 680 like that except for exemp
[8:54] units no matter if you have one two or
[8:55] three units you're going to be two it's
[8:57] going to be $228 under this
[9:00] policy uh also we increased uh this if
[9:05] the code fees uh are passed by the city
[9:08] council uh we expect the revenues uh for
[9:10] the code Department to increase by
[9:13] 210,000 and also in this budget uh the
[9:15] police parking we anticipate an
[9:18] additional 370,000 from the increase
[9:21] from the
[9:22] 224 2024 budget uh so the increase in
[9:26] code fees and police fees will increase
[9:28] Revenue by 580,000 that's what we're
[9:31] looking to do 58,000 total between and
[9:34] police right could you tell me the
[9:35] police one again please uh please is
[9:38] 370,000 thank you I'm going to give you
[9:41] guys a copy of this whole rundown so
[9:44] later okay just it's good that you take
[9:46] notes so you don't forget okay uh okay
[9:51] one of the things that we've done into
[9:53] is that we're going to request that we
[9:55] capture some ARA funds uh this the
[9:58] amount of 3
[9:59] 82,2 78 this includes um the Carver
[10:04] Community rehab of 1,250,000 uh sidewalk
[10:09] program
[10:10] $94,400
[10:12] empowerment rehab
[10:20] $54,600 we're proposing to recapture
[10:23] this uh funds for the blue lines that we
[10:26] put into that budget to help help us uh
[10:29] for this budget and that's a total
[10:31] amount of
[10:35] 382278 okay also in the 2025 proposed
[10:38] budget we're also uh asking to use
[10:43] 5,465 32 and appropriated fund
[10:47] balance currently the city has 18.9
[10:50] million in fund balance which is made up
[10:53] of uh 6.5 million of restricted
[10:56] funds uh 3.8 million of assign funds and
[11:00] 8.6 million of unassigned funds if the
[11:03] city utilizes the 5.5 million that we're
[11:06] requesting uh there approximately be 3.1
[11:09] million left over the time funds now
[11:11] we're hoping that we don't use any of
[11:14] the fund balance but you you have to put
[11:16] in there to to make sure that we can you
[11:19] just explain the restricted and
[11:20] nonrestricted for some members who might
[11:23] want okay I'm going to start with the
[11:27] okay let me start with what the Capal
[11:29] restricted okay the 6.5 million is uh
[11:32] 1.1 million for the debt Reserve we have
[11:36] Capital reserves for uh if we need uh uh
[11:39] to buy things that are not budgeted 4.2
[11:42] million our tax Searcher rity uh uh is
[11:45] 621,000 in case uh you know there's no
[11:49] budget money for any changes in seary uh
[11:52] we have a 150,000
[11:55] $157,300 for uh snow and ice in case we
[11:58] have one of one of those big ice storms
[12:00] like we did a few years ago where we we
[12:03] had like almost a million dollars in
[12:05] here we used 900,000 which did not
[12:07] destroy the budget and also we have
[12:11] litigation and claims for
[12:14] 24,99 we have uh 3.8 million in assigned
[12:18] funds and the assigned funds is uh is uh 2023 purchase orders that rolled over
[12:24] into 2024 plus the 3 uh 3.1 million that
[12:29] we that we using for the 2024 budget if
[12:32] you recall the budget so that's the
[12:35] assigned funds un assigned the
[12:37] unassigned fund is you know money that
[12:39] we have that's not regulated that you
[12:41] know we can move around if we need it
[12:44] that is the portion that we're going to
[12:45] use the 5.5 million out of that 8 8.6
[12:51] million all right now we did a we did a
[12:53] lot of revenues over there now we're
[12:55] going to look at some uh high points of
[12:57] I shouldn't say high points but
[12:59] uh cost on expenses
[13:04] and revenue yeah and in previous budgets
[13:07] we continually talked about the police
[13:09] department having a large amount of
[13:11] unpaid parking tickets and I I haven't
[13:14] been seeing that coming up in the budget
[13:16] although conversations is I don't see
[13:19] anyone here um is that they're doing
[13:21] something about it but I don't see it
[13:22] like
[13:24] anywhere number I could ask for for a
[13:27] briefing and that
[13:31] Chief okay thank you for um and more
[13:35] Revenue
[13:36] questions so for line a 2025 DX last
[13:42] year we didn't have anything in there
[13:44] and then this year we had 1200 and um
[13:47] that's Simon Park I believe it is and
[13:49] how is that
[13:50] determined line
[13:53] 2025 and the Reven
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[14:00] that that how how how's that determined
[14:02] that is from the uh rental of
[14:06] the The Pavilion pilion and the room
[14:11] they have so last year they didn't do
[14:13] anything at all with that correct okay
[14:17] um my other question is about line 2025
[14:19] F the tenen Le ke last year was 2000
[14:22] this year this year you anticipating 500
[14:26] uh we're we're anticipating to do
[14:30] um what's it called Rehab of the den
[14:32] cour and we we F that number come from
[14:37] not going to be able to use all the
[14:38] quotes Okay uh we're actually I just
[14:41] want to remind you guys that we're going
[14:42] to go into detail
[14:44] of next all right so I'm just trying to
[14:47] get an overview for you the whole budget
[14:49] but you know we'll take the questions as
[14:51] they come uh all right uh we talked
[14:54] about revenues now we're going to talk
[14:55] about
[14:57] expenses we're retirement for
[15:01] 2024 2025 proposed budget is increased
[15:05] by
[15:06] 2,450
[15:08] 359 that's a 22% increase from the
[15:11] adopted 2024 budget it's going from 11
[15:14] Milli 161 641 to 13
[15:19] million6 13.6 million this is due to
[15:22] State Controllers uh calculations with
[15:25] the PBA negotiated uh 384 plus the uh
[15:30] fire department retirement which is you
[15:33] know the biggest bulk of the of the uh
[15:38] cost health insurance our health
[15:40] insurance increased by 5% we're going to
[15:44] go from 14, 400,000 to 15,
[15:51] 11246 we're we're praying that this is
[15:54] going to be right there and we're
[15:56] looking for instance uh for
[16:00] 2024 to basically just be at zero or a
[16:04] small deficit so uh we're you know we
[16:08] have uh you know our agents and stuff
[16:11] like that actually says they're looking
[16:13] at a 6 to 12% increase uh especially
[16:17] because of uh specialty drugs as you all
[16:20] watch on TV which uh if you see what the
[16:23] costs are which someday I got to bring
[16:25] them in one of these days it show what
[16:27] some of these things cost you're not
[16:28] going to believe what we pay
[16:29] as a as a an insured as a self-insured
[16:33] group okay so we talked about uh retir
[16:37] going up 22% we talk about health share
[16:39] going by 5% also in this budget our debt
[16:43] Services increased by 211% resulting in
[16:47] 1,637 1880 of additional cost our debt
[16:51] service has gone from 7.7 million to 9.3
[16:54] million this is because we're just
[16:56] borrowing more we've actually have a
[16:58] plan in place where the last two years
[17:00] we have not bonded we got we did bands
[17:03] of ban anticipation gos that is to keep
[17:06] the uh cost of Interest low and uh and we're trying to wait for the uh for
[17:14] the market to be right to actually B
[17:16] those monies uh we thought with this uh 5 uh half% uh decrease in Federal
[17:22] Reserve uh the M will go down but the really the rates have really not
[17:27] gone down as of yet we're hoping that
[17:29] after election we we'll see something
[17:31] happen better for for us I just want to
[17:33] remind everybody too uh that what's not
[17:36] in here is uh there's Union negotiations
[17:39] that are in progress uh we have the fire
[17:41] department local 28 we have csca and we
[17:44] have Operating Engineers um we have not
[17:47] anticipated or we haven't got any
[17:49] anticipation from the mayor or from the
[17:52] unions of what the settlement cost is so
[17:55] that cost is not within our uh excuse me
[17:59] and not within our budget any negotiated
[18:01] cost will come out of fund balance again
[18:04] okay so that those are the highlights
[18:07] for the general fund let's talk about
[18:08] water
[18:09] funds the proposed 2025 water fund
[18:12] budget is a modest 2.88% increase from
[18:16] the 2024 adopted budget uh the total
[18:19] budget increased by only $282,100
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[18:29] with this proposed a water bu budget we
[18:32] are going to use
[18:44] $61,900 the proposed uh Sur fund uh
[18:48] budget for 2025 is 5.5% increase uh
[18:53] compared to the 2024 budget it's an
[18:55] increase of
[18:57] 864,000
[18:59] $65 again uh there is no uh rate
[19:03] increase uh proposed in the SE budget uh
[19:06] we are planning to use debt reserve of
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[19:27] 261,000 request is only a a
[19:30] 2.29% increase compared to
[19:33] 20224 doap the budget uh the whole Golf
[19:37] Course budget is increased uh margely
[19:39] increased by $ 35,6 65 it's been doing a
[19:43] great job of Matt's been doing a great
[19:45] job running it um Chris Wall has been
[19:48] doing a great job overseeing uh uh the
[19:51] everything that's happening so uh
[19:54] looking for a modus increase
[19:57] without uh and 35,000 can't beat that
[20:01] okay now as you looked at our capital
[20:03] budget our capital budget we have
[20:05] proposals of $18 million
[20:09] request and out of the $18 million $1.6
[20:12] million we're going to use capital
[20:14] reserve 3
[20:17] 362.00 in Gulf
[20:20] 665,000 for water 575,000 from swer
[20:26] we're going to use Capital reserves oh
[20:27] let's not forget 40,00
[20:29] of from the Community Development Fund
[20:31] we're going to use this to utilize the
[20:33] reduce the total to 16 million at 38
[20:38] 16.38
[20:39] million um I'm going to have a uh I'm
[20:43] going to have uh Derek go line any line
[20:47] ask any questions about revenues he's
[20:49] got the highlights for
[20:52] you before you go into the um let me
[20:54] just open the anybody who have any
[20:56] questions so I just want to recap so the
[20:58] proposed budget right now carry a taxx
[21:00] increase of
[21:02] 3% and the waste increase of $1 per week
[21:06] for non-exempt units and the exempt unit
[21:10] is $1.75 per
[21:13] week okay thank you any questions before
[21:17] we move into
[21:18] Revenue but we'll be going line by line
[21:21] later right okay yes yeah I did want get
[21:23] a clarification when you were talking
[21:25] about um you said 40,000 from
[21:27] development
[21:28] I don't cdbg CDG I think develop is
[21:32] Right
[21:33] Here
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[21:39] show all
[21:41] right any other questions com I just
[21:44] want to mention too I didn't realize it
[21:45] just till now until m p showed me and
[21:48] the capital funds are blue lines in it
[21:49] those are not
[21:51] AR you sure put these in the back these
[21:54] are not our sorry those are those are
[21:57] whates Capital reserves that we're going
[21:59] to be using on the cap in the capital
[22:03] budget blue is is not our it's Capital
[22:06] reserves yeah I should have did
[22:08] different color I'm sorry I didn't think
[22:10] about it I like the baby
[22:13] blue any other questions
[22:16] comments if not we'll just move into
[22:18] revenue and it's over to Derek good
[22:21] evening Council I'm just going going
[22:23] through some R highlights for the 2025
[22:25] budget um sincey
[22:28] went through a couple of these uh high
[22:31] level revenues uh building alteration
[22:33] permits uh parking finds the uh fund
[22:36] balance and uh Federal C assistance will
[22:39] not be going those uh but let's first
[22:42] start off with the Sal and use tax uh we
[22:44] received approximately 18.4 million in
[22:47] 2023 we're expecting about 18 million in
[22:50] 2024 and we're anticipating 18.3 million
[22:53] in 2025 uh these numbers also by the
[22:56] county so we're spot on those uh cannab
[22:59] cannabis excise tax uh we received
[23:01] 532,000 in 2023 expected 800,000 in 2024
[23:06] and we participating approximately
[23:08] 850,000 in
[23:09] 2025
[23:11] um fire protection
[23:14] contract sorry I had a question Mr goad
[23:18] please does that take into consideration
[23:20] like the new businesses that are
[23:21] currently in the P that projections yeah
[23:24] we're projecting with based on the new
[23:26] businesses in the pipeline thank
[23:29] how many please how many how many we
[23:32] determining that based on
[23:38] four fire protection contract before you
[23:41] sorry So currently we're
[23:43] $800,000 actual on this line no we're
[23:46] expecting expecting
[23:50] 800,000 we're still qu 3 and quarter 4
[23:54] is so actual is like 580 something as of
[23:57] September or that's
[23:59] all well actually as of J Fe March April
[24:03] May June as of June yeah CU we have to
[24:06] get August but we can look up August
[24:08] July August and September we haven't
[24:10] gotten yet and then the last two months
[24:13] that's six
[24:14] months but as you can see as the new
[24:16] businesses are
[24:19] opening you know we're we we we feel
[24:22] it's going to be increased but it's not
[24:24] going to it's going to the other
[24:26] business will have less these you know
[24:29] people move around you know yeah all
[24:31] right continue please uh the next one is
[24:35] the fire protection contract um there's
[24:37] a new negotiation actually I think the
[24:39] uh fire department already put a
[24:42] contract together with G which should be
[24:44] receiving 75,000 in Revenue uh with them
[24:47] uh believe the commissioner also um
[24:50] talked about the trash charges so I'll
[24:52] skip that as well excuse me um Derek may
[24:55] I just ask where was that $75,000
[24:59] fire protection contract previously in
[25:01] other words it says zero across it was
[25:03] in the budget but it's been I think zero
[25:06] for the last few years yeah before I
[25:08] think was a year or two year ago we got
[25:10] a truck five years yeah five yeah we got
[25:13] a truck and something else yet so we
[25:14] haven't we haven't got cash before this
[25:17] the first time got cash before that yeah
[25:19] before that so we haven't had cash in
[25:21] the last you know since prior to uh
[25:26] Co okay thank you thank you D just back
[25:29] up a little and let's talk about um the
[25:32] pilot uh see you're 2.5 last year we um
[25:36] adopted
[25:37] 2.55 it's almost the same with inre
[25:41] basically we in then that area 2.3 2.4
[25:45] 2.5 so we have not really gone over that
[25:48] yeah in 24 I build 2.3 yeah so we're
[25:53] right we're right in that area you know
[25:55] what line that that is right from the
[25:57] top of the first page
[25:59] a
[26:01] 1081 first
[26:05] page
[26:07] okay while while we in the subject of
[26:09] Pilots is there anyone to quantify like
[26:11] the monetary
[26:14] gains can you I'm sorry can you ask that
[26:17] again so I think just trying to
[26:18] understand like the long-term benefits
[26:20] of having Pilots continue is there any
[26:22] way to in layman's terms well I mean I I
[26:27] guess the best thing about a pilot is
[26:29] every year there's a reduction in the
[26:32] percentage so we're getting more every
[26:34] year the problem is that we're also
[26:37] getting more pilots every year so as we obtain more money from the pilot
[26:43] we also have more Partnerships and more
[26:47] pilots
[26:49] so
[26:51] yeah is there is there a standard link
[26:53] of time on Pilots or depends on whether
[26:57] it's a met Lex pilot or it's a Ida pilot
[27:01] there is a standard for Ida Pilots it
[27:04] should be 10 years though we've seen
[27:06] some differences in that and then for
[27:09] Metroplex Pilots
[27:11] unfortunately we're I I I think it
[27:14] serves really well for the city but
[27:16] we're at the vein of the of Metroflex
[27:20] because they can do basically whatever
[27:22] they want they can have Pilots for as
[27:24] long as they want and they can put them
[27:26] immediately on the they don't follow the
[27:29] taxable status
[27:31] calendar March 1st
[27:34] to uh April or excuse me February 30th
[27:38] they so property is obtained Metroplex
[27:42] can put a pilot on it
[27:44] immediately so there there's some
[27:46] nuances to both of
[27:48] those um plus plus the extend Pilots to
[27:52] they do so if if if there's something
[27:55] that's coming
[27:56] up G for instance they in perpetuity
[28:00] have extended that pilot
[28:03] so it's um you know I mean it's tough because it forces the burden
[28:09] on the taxpayer the the residential
[28:11] taxpayer I should say and at the same
[28:13] time they give the pilots to uh bring
[28:16] businesses in C it's a double-edged
[28:18] store for all of us it's a double-edged
[28:20] store it's one of those things where
[28:22] it's really good for the city but at the
[28:24] same time it's it also it it hurts us in
[28:29] some all right so just to be clear um
[28:32] you can you said that the ibaa pilots it
[28:34] can be up to 10 years it doesn't have to
[28:36] be there I've seen some that are
[28:39] negotiated differently but that's they
[28:41] have there's more regulation with IA
[28:44] than there is in terms of
[28:47] metr and and I agree it does help the
[28:49] city however I mean I think we're we've
[28:52] really done well in terms of you know
[28:54] developing businesses so I was just
[28:56] thinking that as we get better than and
[28:58] have so many businesses we' be seeing
[29:00] some reductions in that so that that
[29:02] money can get back for absolutely and we do you know every year those
[29:06] Pilots are built so that every year
[29:09] there's more Revenue coming into the
[29:11] city but at the same time as we get more
[29:14] Revenue coming into the city and we have
[29:16] more pilots coming on board we're taking
[29:19] assessed value off the books or taxable
[29:22] value of the books so
[29:25] okay right thank you yes
[29:31] go
[29:32] ahead um so again uh anthy commissioner
[29:36] Ferrari trash chares those um excess
[29:40] waste fee um C is in development the
[29:44] plan under the mayor's post budget we're
[29:47] anticipating that 500,000 in Reed by end
[29:53] of25 2130 f
[30:00] okay so we're so this is
[30:04] covering we're talking
[30:06] about the I don't even know what to call
[30:09] it the I know what you're saying that's
[30:12] what we're talking about
[30:14] okay the larger yeah okay well they
[30:18] were to me jackpot supposed to be a good
[30:21] thing these aren't good things so that's
[30:22] what we're talking about all right thank
[30:25] you so the the question is last year we
[30:28] um we budgeted
[30:30] $100,000 and this year we're budgeting
[30:33] anticipating a
[30:34] $500,000 I know there were committee set
[30:37] up to meet and to bring forth a
[30:39] recommendation to the council up to now
[30:41] we didn't there's no recommendation to
[30:43] the council right I'm going to make sure
[30:45] that you get recommendation to the
[30:47] council you know I'm making sure that so
[30:50] what we need to do we need to know where
[30:52] the committee is in terms of that and
[30:54] the recommendation need to come to the
[30:55] council because at this point in time
[30:57] the council has not been briefed to what
[30:59] is actually going to happen if it's
[31:01] going to be a standalone jackpot that we
[31:03] call it a jackpot or it's going to be
[31:05] additional garbage in terms of how do we
[31:07] move forward so we need to come to the
[31:11] council at some point in time that we
[31:12] can move forward and achieve this
[31:16] $500,000 that I set out there wouldn't
[31:19] we be talking about it when we have our
[31:21] presentation on trash yes okay but I
[31:24] just want to make that that point out
[31:25] there because at this point in time time
[31:28] no recommendation was brought to the
[31:30] council to move forward with adopting
[31:33] the this um policy in terms of us going
[31:36] to in terms of the the jackpot garbage
[31:40] that what we were supposed to
[31:41] address but it's showing up but I just
[31:43] want to make that statement and we we I really plan to have it done in 2024 so
[31:49] I'm going to really push and make sure
[31:52] it's done for
[31:54] 2025 myself
[31:58] thank you please please
[32:01] proceed next item is the patrol safety
[32:04] findes um Accord to the police's
[32:07] analysis we're estima approximately 600k
[32:10] for 2025 I'm sorry line line number uh
[32:14] yes that is 26 a
[32:17] 2610n is that it oh yeah that's the bus
[32:20] Patrol yeah
[32:23] M next big ticket item sale of houses A2
[32:29] 60a uh with a plan spearheaded by the
[32:32] director of development and supported by
[32:35] various departments in the city are
[32:36] expecting 4.5 million Revenue um
[32:40] currently uh there are 88 properties
[32:42] timing sale a total value of 2.6
[32:47] million we're already at 3 million oh we
[32:51] at million now and and we have pending
[32:54] 88 how much money 2.6 2.6 so how do we
[32:58] get from pending to collection and you
[33:00] know how
[33:03] we're uh there's wonderful Development
[33:06] Department our wonderful lawyers are
[33:08] going to be closing like crazy so if
[33:10] they're pending then that means they've
[33:12] already moved out of development are
[33:13] they now in that's correct okay so so
[33:18] that's see once once the contractor sale
[33:22] ass signs over the law and we started
[33:24] towards close so so I guess ultimately I
[33:28] guess my my question trying to figure
[33:29] out is um if so it's in law right now
[33:32] the
[33:33] 2 6 million is is everything's in the
[33:36] law department and then we can just wait
[33:37] till they close
[33:38] and 2.6 million 8 properties for the 8
[33:43] properties that are
[33:45] pending are there other 80 properties
[33:48] that have contracts on yes okay then
[33:51] yeah the staff's working on
[33:55] it no way we're going to close this by
[33:57] the end of the year
[33:59] uh probably not 88 but
[34:02] maybe we you know we can like enum it I
[34:06] that's what I was going to ask yeah yes
[34:09] we'll see where we are by the end of the
[34:10] year you usually go to March because
[34:13] it's really contracts been signed at 24
[34:16] so we usually wait till March and then
[34:18] anything up to March because that's the
[34:21] last day for you know you usually get 90
[34:23] days after the first of the year to uh close your books you know MH so
[34:29] that's that's our plan I can look into
[34:31] double check that tomorrow but before I
[34:34] confirm that I want to double check
[34:37] there are 8 in under contract in law I
[34:41] will check it just would be ideal we can
[34:45] get as much money as possible absolutely
[34:47] this year all right thank you and if we
[34:50] can continue on the sales of the home
[34:51] program line is can anyone speak to just
[34:54] the that program of itself does that
[34:56] $4.5 million represent like the ceiling
[34:59] for this line or is there still room for
[35:01] growth or is that a premature question
[35:04] um I think I think there's a room for
[35:07] growth because we're just about uh we
[35:10] just have completed the foreclosure for
[35:12] the 21 and 22 properties right for the
[35:16] [Music]
[35:17] 2022
[35:19] foreclosure was
[35:21] completed um we're now waiting on a
[35:24] motion for some judgement for um about
[35:27] 20 properties and then we have started
[35:32] the wheels in motion for the next
[35:34] foreclosure um Liz pendant has been
[35:37] filed title is done the next step is to
[35:40] file the petition so that's in motion so
[35:43] how many properties so the next the
[35:46] Foreclosure we're working on currently
[35:48] we started with 429 properties some
[35:52] people have redeemed though so theyve
[35:54] paid
[35:56] um probably I don't know exactly how
[35:59] many are closing on but there are people
[36:01] redeeming
[36:03] 39 39
[36:07] [Music]
[36:13] that's thank
[36:15] you any other questions if
[36:20] [Music]
[36:23] not of course uh temporary St uh did
[36:28] received 1.3 million in
[36:30] 2024 and we will receive uh 1.3 million
[36:34] in
[36:35] 2025 D can you please talk about this
[36:38] why this is going to go away in 2025 is
[36:41] that correct yes we this isting 1.3
[36:45] million 2026
[36:48] okay uh next L item Casino license fee
[36:52] um in 2023 the city received
[36:54] approximately 3.7 million in Revenue uh
[36:56] we anticip
[36:58] 3.9 million at the end of 2024 and we're
[37:01] looking at 4 million in
[37:03] 2025 yeah this is confirmed
[37:09] with those are allor highlights um
[37:13] commissioner dve did talk about the
[37:14] appropriate fund balance in detail and
[37:16] the federal Co assistance of the 3
[37:20] million so um let's see I mean do you
[37:27] want all the questions now or no no we
[37:30] just talk about Revenue question well no
[37:32] question all revenue questions though
[37:35] okay so um the police the increase in
[37:40] the police fees are included in this um
[37:43] yes okay that's good and um so that's
[37:46] like sort of across the board many of my
[37:49] questions
[37:51] um the building and alteration permits
[37:55] um of projecting 600 um and that is line
[38:00] that's included with his
[38:04] proposal
[38:05] okay it was
[38:07] 2555 building and alteration permits so
[38:11] that's
[38:14] 2555 so you're saying that this 600,000
[38:17] includes what he's proposed before we go
[38:20] through the whole public process okay
[38:23] that's 210,000 increase and police is
[38:26] 370,000
[38:28] okay and so that's the parking finds
[38:32] um
[38:35] okay uh I think that was all of
[38:41] my that is all of my questions for
[38:47] Revenue line a
[38:50] 15898 abandon B property fee in 2024
[38:55] there was a significant increase in 48
[38:58] 450,000 and back down 250 what accounted
[39:02] for that inre that's Theos no which line yeah vacant property fees
[39:10] 15589 each that went down yes it's yeah
[39:15] uh actually it's going down because uh
[39:18] in between 20 23 24 properties were
[39:21] being uh the banks were were uh that
[39:25] were holding L these abandoned
[39:26] properties they're actually summoning
[39:28] them after because they had for so many
[39:31] years they're able to write off the
[39:33] losses after so many years so they
[39:34] actually were sell and that's the reason
[39:37] why it's what went down so it's not as
[39:39] many as
[39:41] abandon buildings that you know I'm not
[39:44] talking about foreclosed banding talking
[39:46] about Banks or or property owners who uh you know like move to Florida
[39:52] left their houses there you
[39:54] know it was more of addressing the BLS
[39:57] and the abandoned building that people
[39:58] just leave it there and walk away and
[40:00] don't do anything and we are incurring
[40:02] costs to maintain these so we passed
[40:05] that um couple years ago to address to
[40:07] pass on the cost to the home owner and
[40:09] at the same time attach a fee right
[40:12] these are mostly mostly those hous these
[40:14] houses we're talking about are houses
[40:15] that the tax are being paid but they're
[40:17] still not being maintained or
[40:22] lifted I so mostly this going were for
[40:24] closing that's mostly where where it was
[40:26] coming from
[40:29] any other question on Revenue one second
[40:32] I just want to make sure CU I think they
[40:34] answer them make sure talk about 116
[40:38] that's about the Cannabis oh um okay we
[40:41] talked about tennis we talked about all
[40:43] right I think we got
[40:46] everything except the unpaid parking
[40:48] tickets which you said the police depart
[40:50] I to give us that because that is
[40:52] something that they are going after now
[40:55] L Awards so we need to address that and
[40:57] see where we can up the revenue that
[40:59] okay any other
[41:02] questions seeing no I will just go into
[41:06] counil
[41:08] and the Clark
[41:20] Department C
[41:22] 8110 um C budget has increased by 10% uh
[41:27] is due to the removal of outside Legal
[41:29] Services uh we figured that it wasn't
[41:31] needed so to hasn't been utilized in the
[41:33] last couple
[41:34] years um the clerk's uh office
[41:38] a1410 Clerk's budget has increased by
[41:42] 4.24% from
[41:44] 2993 to
[41:47] 33231
[41:49] um to supply P six thank you
[42:07] Miss Michael can you just give us a
[42:09] brief summary on your for your
[42:11] departments and talk highlights on
[42:13] anything that you need to address with
[42:15] us is Michael yes I
[42:23] hear I go for it if you
[42:25] want um most of the uh Parks budget is
[42:29] the same um I think one the council
[42:31] members did note um there's an increase
[42:34] in stien um that was du to we mov the uh
[42:39] Deputy registar 5,000 which was included
[42:42] in the salary line can you can you speak
[42:43] up a little bit please I'm sorry we move
[42:46] the deputy registers $5,000 stien from
[42:49] their salary line into the stien line so
[42:52] you see the increase there um it giv a
[42:55] 3% increase in that in salary
[42:57] CCA has not negotiated their contracts
[43:01] yet um so there's no increase in those
[43:04] salary lines other than that the
[43:07] increases are due to supply increases
[43:11] that's okay I have one correction on
[43:14] that the the siphon that's or called
[43:18] Sion for the deputy register is actually
[43:21] under the public health law section 4124
[43:24] provides for the local regist to paid on
[43:26] a Fe basis that's not really a SI that's
[43:29] like a register
[43:30] fee to be
[43:34] paid so that would go under my budget
[43:38] not the reg or depuy's budget that would
[43:41] go
[43:43] your so you want us put back in
[43:47] salary that's what it is yeah in your
[43:50] salary line or the deputy reg the deputy
[43:53] but into Deputy register and not you is
[43:56] what they're saying
[43:58] so you say move the 5,000 to dep regist
[44:01] from 52 to into the regist which
[44:06] is s that she's talking about down here
[44:09] line 81410 36 okay we don't have it's a
[44:14] pay it's not a sment right so you want
[44:16] to put it into you want to it out of
[44:19] there yeah into the salary and the Sal
[44:22] so the dep regist will go from 52462 to
[44:25] 57
[44:27] you're saying it's not the deputy it's
[44:29] me the
[44:30] register so we're increasing your salary
[44:34] 5,000
[44:36] then
[44:38] [Music]
[44:39] that's you
[44:45] receive in the
[44:47] [Music]
[44:53] past to increase from 83 to 8 and the
[44:57] reason for that is
[44:59] because since I've started I've been
[45:02] doing all the registry work even the
[45:05] nights and weekends when I'm getting
[45:06] calls from F directors or the
[45:11] state so since this is not a salary line
[45:14] why don't we create a line a410
[45:17] 1368 name it this the deputy register
[45:21] um whatever that I put that 5,000 there
[45:25] because this is not salary
[45:29] okay so did you say that again this is
[45:31] not salary it's 5,000 yes okay it's a
[45:35] Sal butless it comes with
[45:38] benefit that's why affect the benit I
[45:40] thought it was a benefit too that's why
[45:42] you put it as a stud because it show up
[45:43] as a salary if we it's supposed to be a
[45:47] salary but if we put it with salary then
[45:50] we are going to have to increase the
[45:51] benefits I think is what Mr one of you
[45:54] is saying right no you don't increase
[45:57] wouldn't the salary go from 83 235 to 88
[46:01] 235 and then wouldn't that affect the
[46:04] percentage don't we don't we do benefits
[46:06] based on a percentage of salary her
[46:08] benefits W change
[46:11] though because if we already put 5,000
[46:13] it's already in the budget
[46:17] 5,000 okay it's already it's already end so so
[46:25] what you're saying is that on the
[46:26] benefit line which is i' have to find
[46:30] that but
[46:32] back talking social security stuff like
[46:34] that right so she makes more money her health insurance is not going to
[46:39] change nothing
[46:41] changes okay what Social Security would
[46:45] change it's already accounted for
[46:47] because as as it's accounted for okay as
[46:50] long as it's
[46:51] already that's great it's part of if
[46:54] it's on the compensation language is
[46:56] like
[46:57] okay so moving forward we would put the
[46:59] 5,000 up to um
[47:02] 1410100 city clerk okay and we would
[47:05] leave 3,000 in uh 1410 136
[47:11] stien correct yes okay thank you I just
[47:14] want to say this I didn't hear this
[47:16] before supp heard about it so because
[47:19] it's been happening for over 15 years
[47:22] that I've been but the de was always at
[47:25] 5,000 prior correct but they were also
[47:27] doing more
[47:29] work I I was unaware of this
[47:33] change we talked
[47:34] [Music]
[47:39] about go ahead
[47:42] pleas yeah go ahead so where where was
[47:44] the 5,000 prior to this in the deputy
[47:48] register salary in the deputy register
[47:50] salary oh okay all right so 54,000 then
[47:53] minus 5,000 now
[47:57] it was
[47:58] an8 no he'll get no was it de regar was
[48:02] 50,000 she was making 40 45
[48:06] 45,9 34 plus I'm sorry was 59 5934 right
[48:12] she was it was at her salary would have
[48:15] been 45 934 because as a depy register
[48:18] she received extra 5,000 and made it go
[48:21] to the depy reg from from 45 to
[48:25] 50,000 right and
[48:27] proposed so now instead of
[48:30] 52462 totally she'd be getting or
[48:32] whoever I mean it's
[48:34] 55462 Is What It ultimately will be no it's going to be the 52 minus the
[48:42] five minus 5,000 ohus yeah so we're
[48:46] taking it from the deputy registar and
[48:48] giving it to the
[48:50] clerk correct 5,000 y so
[48:54] 47462 got it so starts 47 42 and we're
[48:58] taking off the stiping line and taking
[49:00] off the S line except for 32,000 instead
[49:03] of
[49:04] 8000 all right done
[49:07] gotta
[49:09] okay any other
[49:13] questions okay we'll move
[49:17] into assessment sure
[49:21] assessment all right assessment the toal
[49:24] assessment budget increased by 2
[49:27] 61% five page five page five bottom
[49:32] five you have
[49:35] [Music]
[49:37] order go the smaller um Department I
[49:40] will do assessment receipt development
[49:43] and then I will go into
[49:44] utilities and then golf codes fire and
[49:49] police thank
[49:51] you
[49:53] okay so the assessment budget has
[49:56] increased small marginal amount of
[49:59] 2.61% from
[50:02] 35,000,000
[50:06] that's it yeah so I mean salaries
[50:11] increased based on the steps for the um
[50:14] and then whatever management amount yeah
[50:17] that they had um the I had a computer
[50:22] for 10 years so I need a new one so we I
[50:25] didn't realize that the in has increased
[50:27] so they increased my computer budget
[50:30] that I had um so that was an increase in
[50:32] the amount and then I recently got
[50:34] elected to the Executive Board of my
[50:36] Association and there may be some travel
[50:39] Associated I think they cover some of it
[50:41] but just I I gave an overage for um
[50:44] professional development just in case
[50:46] that there was some other necessary
[50:48] stuff I think there's only we do two
[50:51] Zoom meetings a year and then
[50:54] two onsite meetings and one of them is
[50:56] in Green Island so it would not require
[50:59] anything but one is in Syracuse so I
[51:02] don't know I have to wait and find out
[51:04] but that I think those are the only real
[51:05] increases nothing you know nothing we
[51:08] don't really spend I I think supplies
[51:10] have been okay um we've gotten to the
[51:13] point now where we can not have to print
[51:16] our assessment role we can put it online
[51:18] as a PDF which is a huge savings with
[51:21] copying and and all those fees just
[51:24] right after you got your new copier too
[51:26] I know
[51:27] it actually works really well um but
[51:30] other than that you know other than
[51:32] increases in salary I
[51:34] think uh what's the longevity I think
[51:37] those are the you know the bigger areas
[51:39] that we've
[51:40] increased also want to mention that Umi
[51:43] has a has an advanced Pastor yeah and I
[51:48] just got an award of my
[51:49] com
[51:53] congratulations yeah it's it's fun I
[51:56] appreciate being in this position I
[51:57] really love working for the city it's
[51:59] just yeah I mean these are tough times
[52:00] so I understand um we don't we don't ask
[52:03] for a whole lot and we try to do a whole
[52:06] lot
[52:07] so so so I ask everybody this you know
[52:11] is being handed down to me we ask every
[52:14] Department give us a brief what's
[52:15] happening in your department what is new
[52:17] what is old what needs to change sure
[52:19] tell us um I mean I think you know as
[52:22] our Equalization rate continues to go
[52:24] down I think the city needs to think
[52:27] about being in a place where maybe a
[52:29] reval is something that we look at um
[52:33] it's not going to solve all our problems
[52:35] but financially it puts us in a better
[52:37] position um it doesn't inre the levy is
[52:41] what it is and with the Caps that we
[52:44] have with the levy you know you can't go
[52:46] much more but it it puts more of the
[52:50] burden on the places that we're seeing
[52:52] where there's change in um ship where
[52:57] there's change in there there's a lot of
[52:59] flips going on in the city I mean we've
[53:01] got we've got places in the city that
[53:04] we've got sales of
[53:06] 319
[53:08] 320,000 that we wouldn't have
[53:10] necessarily seen before because people
[53:12] are actually putting some money into
[53:14] those areas so I think that's really
[53:17] fantastic but it it's unevenly
[53:20] distributed in terms of where you look
[53:22] at the assessed value so it's something
[53:24] that we should look at I've got some
[53:26] quotes you know not saying it's
[53:28] something the the market is still a
[53:30] little unstable so it's we don't know
[53:34] what's going to continue to happen and as the state continues with our
[53:38] Equalization rate they' looked three
[53:39] years back so we're still faced with
[53:43] some of the postco um the the market
[53:46] stuff that's going on um but it it's one
[53:50] of those things that I think we need to
[53:52] think about um you know and is our
[53:54] Equalization rate you know it's a I had
[53:57] declared on our tenative Ro 64 but then
[54:01] the state came back to me and said 68.7
[54:04] or 68.4 five so it's not a big deal but
[54:07] when you're looking at properties where
[54:10] you're
[54:11] revaluing that 4 and a half% is is a
[54:14] pretty big deal that's Revenue that we
[54:16] could be taking in so it it's just
[54:18] something to it's something to think
[54:20] about um it's an expense especially with
[54:22] a municipality our size how much about
[54:26] could be at the very least one and a
[54:29] half million um but as you increase with
[54:33] other tools that could allow us to
[54:35] continue to stay at 100% in the future
[54:38] you could go anywhere from one and a
[54:40] half to 2 million and those are expenses
[54:43] that probably would be yearly so yeah
[54:47] they're things like um imagery so you've
[54:51] got a fly over and you've got a fly over
[54:53] you know you've got a plane flying over
[54:55] with a really fancy camera and they're
[54:57] looking down at an inch level so you can
[55:01] see everything they also have tracking
[55:03] software so year to year when they do a
[55:05] flyover they can tell you what has
[55:07] changed in your municipality so it's not
[55:10] even a benefit for us it's a benefit for
[55:11] the codes office it's a benefit for the
[55:14] police for fire for access points for
[55:18] you know I I'm not suggesting that we go
[55:21] full on but there's some thought that might be it might put us into a
[55:26] better situation financially going
[55:28] forward if we're at
[55:30] 100% um I think there's more work and
[55:33] research that needs to be done um but at
[55:36] the same time I have talked to some
[55:38] folks there's some agencies out there
[55:40] that do or some places that do some
[55:43] really good work for a municipality our
[55:47] size I think it would be best to
[55:49] Outsource that um rather than trying to
[55:52] do it in house because the resources
[55:54] that a company has
[55:57] um more than we have internally um in
[56:00] terms of Staffing and just resources in
[56:04] general looking at different uh
[56:05] platforms that give you more access to
[56:09] properties so go ahead please so do you
[56:11] think that this might be something that
[56:13] we should anticipate including in the
[56:14] 2026 budget um yeah I would say look
[56:18] into the future I wouldn't say
[56:19] necessarily I mean I think financially
[56:22] you know we're in a place where we have
[56:24] to kind of weigh some things and again
[56:27] it's one of those like does the cost of
[56:30] this
[56:31] outweigh the financial position it might
[56:33] put us in and I think it we could put
[56:36] some rfps out there we could talk to
[56:38] some people that are way more
[56:40] knowledgeable than me
[56:42] about um and I've had a couple of people
[56:44] approach me and say that they'd be
[56:46] willing to talk to city council they'd
[56:47] be willing to talk to the mayor so
[56:50] um I I'd love to look into it more
[56:54] before I say anything but I I certainly
[56:56] think with Bond ratings and every you
[56:59] know financially for the city it it
[57:02] might be worth looking into so you're
[57:05] saying million initially and then you
[57:08] said every year after that it's not a
[57:10] matter of every year after that that we
[57:12] have to do so the way that it's built
[57:16] the one proposal that I got because I
[57:19] looked into I just asked um it's a
[57:21] matter of spending over four years so
[57:23] it's not you don't have to pay in one
[57:25] year
[57:26] and there's payment plans and they work
[57:28] it they they make sure that it fits the
[57:31] need of the
[57:32] municipality so it's a long process it's
[57:35] not just a all of a sudden you're going
[57:37] to have a
[57:39] change um so you spread that over a
[57:42] couple of years but at the same time
[57:44] what it allows us to do is when we work
[57:47] with an outside agency we have the
[57:49] ability to then use them in future years
[57:52] to continue keeping the uh rate at 100
[57:56] as opposed to since I've been from we
[57:59] we've gone from
[58:01] 123% to now 68.4 5% that's a huge swing
[58:06] and now some of that was the market but
[58:08] some of it was
[58:09] just um before I came it was not having
[58:14] stability in the office and checking the
[58:16] sales like we should so it's just a
[58:18] matter of being able to have the
[58:20] resources going into the future to
[58:23] monitor all of that stuff and be able to
[58:26] keep us do some sales analysis to do
[58:29] some assessment analysis to see where
[58:31] the neighborhoods are carrying more
[58:34] value thank you so I just remind myself
[58:38] of something and I'm sure you're aware
[58:40] of it um from the May with regards
[58:44] to visits from your department to
[58:47] specific houses and I'm asking an visit
[58:50] asking for an inspection can you address
[58:52] that because I know it's a sore point
[58:54] that people have be complaining about it
[58:56] not happy about it uh can you elaborate
[58:59] to the council why is that being done
[59:01] and how can we strengthen that or make
[59:03] it more pleasant to people out there and
[59:05] that create an atmosphere sure well okay
[59:08] so I guess what I have said in the past
[59:11] is that we don't generate Revenue unless
[59:13] we're able to follow up on permits and
[59:16] work that's being done in the city so
[59:18] any work that's being done without
[59:20] permits any work that's being done where
[59:22] we're being denied access to a property
[59:25] any work that's being being done where
[59:27] we have a problem being able to even see
[59:30] the property we don't generate any
[59:33] revenue from that and a lot of times
[59:36] those properties are flipped so you have
[59:38] someone who's putting in a lot of work
[59:40] maybe they're not getting permits and
[59:42] then they're selling the property for
[59:43] three or four times what we have it
[59:45] assessed at so if you think of a
[59:48] property being assessed at maybe 50,000
[59:51] and it's selling for 300,000 we're
[59:53] missing out on
[59:55] $250,000 of potential tax revenue not to
[59:58] say that value or that cost or equates
[1:00:02] to
[1:00:03] Value but if we're not able to capture
[1:00:05] that we're not able to move the city
[1:00:08] forward so it's it's I mean it's
[1:00:12] difficult for us it's not that we're
[1:00:13] looking to go onto properties illegally
[1:00:16] or whatever everyone has the opportunity
[1:00:18] to say that they won't allow us in their
[1:00:21] house but when I find their property on
[1:00:23] MLS and I see that they've complet we
[1:00:26] flipped it of course I'm going to look
[1:00:27] at it there's an obligation for me to
[1:00:30] the city to say you've done something to
[1:00:34] your property whether you had a permit
[1:00:35] or not we need to engage in that because
[1:00:37] there's a huge change in the property
[1:00:41] and and I mean I guess and I'm not
[1:00:44] saying this to you fight me on that like
[1:00:46] I don't I'm okay with that like question
[1:00:48] me on that but that's why we have agance
[1:00:50] process in place so that you don't agree
[1:00:53] but if you sell your property for
[1:00:54] 300,000 and it's currently assessed for
[1:00:57] 100,000 and you're not interested in
[1:00:59] seeing a change in that or you're GNA be
[1:01:02] concerned about a change in that I have
[1:01:04] a problem with that because what you're
[1:01:06] doing is not going
[1:01:08] by the
[1:01:12] right you know I guess I don't
[1:01:16] have that's
[1:01:18] so I guess I I know this has come up
[1:01:21] before John and I don't we're not trying
[1:01:24] to create a problem but we're trying to
[1:01:25] do our job the best for the city and
[1:01:27] we're trying to you know we're looking
[1:01:29] we're facing this huge deficit in our
[1:01:31] budget and the
[1:01:33] weight I hear people talking about
[1:01:35] revenue and this and that and pardon my
[1:01:37] language I'm like hold my beer I mean
[1:01:39] this is what we do this is how we
[1:01:41] increase the tax base in the city is by
[1:01:44] going out and looking at properties that
[1:01:46] have been renovated we're not and I know
[1:01:49] you're going to continue to think that
[1:01:51] we are targeting no no that's I don't
[1:01:55] sorry I don't but I that's that's what
[1:01:57] the people are saying out there but
[1:01:58] that's the constant thing that has come
[1:02:00] up and that's
[1:02:01] not so the follow question to that is
[1:02:04] can we put something a formal process in
[1:02:07] place that rather than going out to the
[1:02:09] specific house on an evening can we just
[1:02:11] do a formal process send a letter to
[1:02:13] them and if they if they're not then we
[1:02:15] knocked on the door but we've we've done
[1:02:17] that we've done everything we possibly
[1:02:19] the formal process correct every this
[1:02:21] has been the process that has been in
[1:02:23] place since I've been here and we've
[1:02:25] done this every single year especially
[1:02:27] when it's come up I mean there are a
[1:02:29] couple of times you've had us come in
[1:02:31] and present in Council I I I'm not
[1:02:34] trying to be difficult but either you
[1:02:36] want us to do our job or you don't and
[1:02:39] if we don't do what we're supposed to do
[1:02:41] then we don't increase the revenue for
[1:02:43] the city and I I guess that's
[1:02:45] where that's the thing that I'm
[1:02:47] stumbling with is do do you want us to
[1:02:51] like our taxable value has to go up at
[1:02:53] some point if we don't do that then
[1:02:56] we continue especially when we have
[1:02:58] Pilots we continue to force the burden
[1:03:00] on the residential taxpayers and if the
[1:03:02] residential taxpayers aren't paying
[1:03:06] what you know I mean I can go on I
[1:03:09] apologize I'm not I'm not trying and I
[1:03:11] sorry if I sound defens it's just well
[1:03:14] goad I do want to point out that I think
[1:03:16] that um was it earlier this year that
[1:03:18] you did the presentation to us I think
[1:03:20] with codes correct if I remember and and
[1:03:24] it was last year I thought it was
[1:03:25] earlier this year there maybe there was
[1:03:28] another maybe because I think Naim was
[1:03:31] probably but I think it was really clear
[1:03:34] at least to me through that presentation
[1:03:37] that um because there were you know
[1:03:41] accusations about targeting um certain
[1:03:43] populations but I think that what I
[1:03:45] heard in that presentation was that
[1:03:48] you're you don't even necessarily know
[1:03:51] the who owns the property so when you're
[1:03:53] going out to do these um es if it's um
[1:03:57] you know uh not occupied but I mean it
[1:04:00] became very clear through the
[1:04:02] presentation that those that you're not
[1:04:05] targeting uh specific populations
[1:04:07] because owners come up on the that
[1:04:09] there's a lot of people that are owner
[1:04:11] occupied but also contractors that do
[1:04:13] the work we don't we don't have any idea
[1:04:15] we look at a property that has a permit
[1:04:17] and depending on the scope of work
[1:04:19] that's what we follow up on and it it
[1:04:21] doesn't it really has nothing to do with
[1:04:23] who it is that owns it and I mean I
[1:04:26] don't know how more to say that other
[1:04:28] than to show the exact report we pull
[1:04:31] from munice I mean you guys you you guys
[1:04:34] built the report for us yes and we pull
[1:04:37] a report to look at all the permits so
[1:04:39] we look at demos we look at there's
[1:04:42] certain things we don't look like we
[1:04:43] don't care about Paving you know I mean
[1:04:45] if you want to pave your driveway you
[1:04:47] want to pave whatever that doesn't you
[1:04:49] know there's certain permits that don't
[1:04:50] you put a roof on your house great
[1:04:52] everybody has to have a roof on their
[1:04:53] house it doesn't add any more value
[1:04:55] anyone
[1:04:57] else's anyone but I I I think that the
[1:05:01] re clearly is something that we're going
[1:05:03] to have to take a look at but we won't
[1:05:04] be doing this budget no no I'm sorry
[1:05:07] yeah I only brought it up because I
[1:05:08] think as as our Equalization rate goes
[1:05:11] down we need to possibly think about
[1:05:13] what that means sure so I no okay Mr M I
[1:05:18] understand like and I appreciate you
[1:05:20] asking that question I just I hope that
[1:05:22] you understand hope that the people are
[1:05:26] listening to your explanation we should
[1:05:28] detail explanation and I ask anyone who
[1:05:31] has a question with that please just
[1:05:32] come into our office and ask it's not
[1:05:35] you know I mean that's that's not what
[1:05:37] we try to do if someone feels targeted
[1:05:39] we want to make sure that we're not
[1:05:41] doing that
[1:05:44] um anyways go ahead please and and I
[1:05:46] kind of get the opposite question I get
[1:05:49] calls all the time and that I report
[1:05:52] over to code or someone about work
[1:05:53] that's being done with no permits and
[1:05:56] um you know for you know re you know
[1:05:58] revalue of the home so and you know it's
[1:06:01] Our obligation to report what people
[1:06:03] report to us so yeah but I thank you for
[1:06:07] doing your job absolutely I mean it's tough I don't it's
[1:06:11] not I understand nobody wants to pay
[1:06:14] more than you know wants to pay morees I
[1:06:17] get that but no I'm just a messenger no
[1:06:22] okay I was in this room here couple
[1:06:24] months ago full room with the mayor and
[1:06:26] with several homeowners and contractors
[1:06:28] talking about how many concern they have
[1:06:31] I know the mayor talked to you about it
[1:06:32] he did mention that me so that's I'm
[1:06:34] going to highlight it so the public hear
[1:06:35] from you what is actually happening
[1:06:37] right and to you know well I would
[1:06:39] encourage anyone who has a question or
[1:06:41] concern to come into our office that's
[1:06:43] all I mean that's all we can do is just
[1:06:44] be more transparent how we VI our
[1:06:47] process any other question
[1:06:51] for the assessment
[1:06:53] office seeing none thank you so much
[1:06:56] have a good evening we'll go into
[1:07:02] receipt and that is on page four bottom
[1:07:06] receipts a
[1:07:08] 1325 receipts budget has only increased
[1:07:12] by
[1:07:14] 2.03% I'll let Lindsay talk about our
[1:07:18] budget um well my budget really doesn't
[1:07:21] change ever
[1:07:23] much very boring
[1:07:26] um but
[1:07:28] um supplies and um equipment continues
[1:07:32] to be something that's increasing um in
[1:07:35] price as everyone else has in the last
[1:07:38] few years um our validators that we use
[1:07:41] to give customer receipts um have gone
[1:07:45] from $400 to just about $900 a piece and
[1:07:50] um we use them constantly well you know
[1:07:53] it's a constant thing so we do have to
[1:07:54] have a little bit of padding there and
[1:07:57] also as Molly stated my computer is also
[1:08:00] not compatible with um Microsoft 11 so
[1:08:03] it's something that you would have to
[1:08:05] have but otherwise there really isn't
[1:08:08] much of a change in anything um to
[1:08:15] our so can you just give us just what's
[1:08:19] new what what's on the pipeline through
[1:08:22] Department um right now what's new is
[1:08:26] um we are well working in Junction with
[1:08:28] the law Department of course we have a
[1:08:30] forclosure um list that is um started so
[1:08:34] we've been trying to um we continue to
[1:08:37] try to educate people um the order in
[1:08:40] which they should pay their taxes when
[1:08:42] they have
[1:08:43] leans um and um really trying because
[1:08:47] right now we're faced with a little
[1:08:49] longer period than we've had in the past
[1:08:52] so we're going to go into next year
[1:08:53] before the Redemption date so the 202
[1:08:56] 24s are going to turn into tax leans so
[1:08:59] by law they'll have to be paid first
[1:09:01] before the 23s and the 22s and the 21s
[1:09:04] so it's something where um it it could
[1:09:07] turn into where people might normally
[1:09:09] only have two years to pay they might
[1:09:11] end up having three or four so we've
[1:09:14] been avidly trying to reach out to
[1:09:16] anyone that's stopping in to make
[1:09:17] partial payments and we do have a lot
[1:09:21] of our tax base is expanding how is that
[1:09:25] think your work the resource that you
[1:09:27] have um well I think it's the nice thing
[1:09:30] about the past few years is that um more
[1:09:33] people have been using our website for
[1:09:36] payments um we still do get a lot of
[1:09:38] foot traffic um we do a lot of cash
[1:09:42] payments um every quarter we have people
[1:09:45] that stand in line for a long time to
[1:09:47] paying cash um and you know it is what
[1:09:51] it is so it's um we still get that um
[1:09:54] but we do have people that use the
[1:09:55] website you know quite often and um
[1:09:58] people still use the Dropbox because we
[1:10:00] have a lot of elderly people that don't
[1:10:02] want to come upstairs they want they
[1:10:04] don't want to worry about their mail
[1:10:05] getting lost and they want to get a
[1:10:07] receipt in the mail so they put it in
[1:10:09] there and um so we really made it
[1:10:13] there's really every Avenue that you
[1:10:14] could try to make a payment you can make
[1:10:16] one so yeah nice ni that's great doing
[1:10:20] much with the little you have yes go
[1:10:22] ahead please um so online there's a
[1:10:24] certain percentage you pay over your so
[1:10:27] if you use an e check so if you just use
[1:10:29] your checking account number and your
[1:10:31] routing number it's 55 cents so that's
[1:10:34] just like postage right when you use a
[1:10:37] card so we are not allowed to absorb
[1:10:40] those fees because we're municipality so
[1:10:43] the company that that runs that
[1:10:45] paymentus they receive the fee for those
[1:10:48] which is 2.64% of the amount so that can
[1:10:51] be rather steep yes um and then once we
[1:10:54] get into people having two years of
[1:10:56] leans they do have to pay with
[1:10:58] guaranteed funds so they have to pay
[1:11:01] with either a cashier's check bank check
[1:11:03] or cash um because they can't use a
[1:11:06] personal check in that situation just
[1:11:08] because of the status of where they are
[1:11:10] in their in their
[1:11:13] process we can't use a credit card for
[1:11:15] that no because credit cards are
[1:11:18] disputable um so you can and we
[1:11:21] unfortunately have had this happen um
[1:11:24] you can come in and pay it take you off
[1:11:26] the you know foreclosure list and then
[1:11:28] you know a month later you dispute the
[1:11:30] transaction so we've had to go where
[1:11:32] that is something that you can use it
[1:11:35] you know when you have one year of leans
[1:11:37] you can if you have 23s right now you
[1:11:39] could use a credit card if you wanted to
[1:11:41] but once you get two years and you're on
[1:11:43] that you know when you're on the list
[1:11:46] technically then you
[1:11:48] cannot question I know that this year
[1:11:51] there's an issue with people in the
[1:11:53] school taxes and the Pro everything not
[1:11:56] coming over um and so can you tell me
[1:11:58] what impact that had on your office and
[1:12:01] if there's any remedy if that happens
[1:12:03] against the the the um company that we contract with well the company
[1:12:09] is munice it's Tyler Technologies um we
[1:12:12] do have a contract with them that we um
[1:12:15] that's our whole Software System for um
[1:12:18] we also use micity but that's separate
[1:12:20] um munus is the real Financial system um
[1:12:24] every year we in may we received the
[1:12:26] delinquency file from the school um and
[1:12:30] we import it and generally speaking
[1:12:32] around the 20 1st of May people can
[1:12:34] start making payments on their
[1:12:36] delinquent School this year the file
[1:12:39] would not import um and I will say and
[1:12:44] Tony and and Derek are aware um since we
[1:12:48] have converted to our new version of
[1:12:50] munus we have been having a very low
[1:12:53] response time to our problems
[1:12:55] um and it's something that we probably
[1:12:58] need to address the next time we have a
[1:13:00] contract negotiation with them because
[1:13:03] um I had spoken with John guio in the
[1:13:06] past when he was here and there doesn't
[1:13:08] seem to be an accountability Factor as
[1:13:11] far as how long they have to respond to
[1:13:13] some of our critical problems um so when
[1:13:16] that happens you put in an online case
[1:13:19] and then you must try to contact the
[1:13:22] person repeatedly to get some some
[1:13:24] answer
[1:13:25] how it affected us was we weren't able
[1:13:28] to import the file until July 2nd um it
[1:13:33] didn't it impacted the taxpayers
[1:13:36] obviously because they had the
[1:13:37] inconvenience of not being able to pay
[1:13:38] it however as you all know um there was
[1:13:42] legislation passed to delay the penalty
[1:13:45] so they weren't charged anything more
[1:13:47] for not being able to pay it it was just
[1:13:49] a matter of not being able to pay it
[1:13:51] which I understand and yes it was it's a
[1:13:54] lot lot of phone calls a lot of foot
[1:13:56] traffic um to both us and the school for
[1:13:59] why it wasn't there but it was something
[1:14:01] unfortunately that um they couldn't
[1:14:08] resolve July yeah it should have been
[1:14:11] resolved by one well when we import the
[1:14:14] file okay which I get May 21st it didn't
[1:14:18] work okay so then they told me they had
[1:14:21] it fixed the first week of June so I
[1:14:24] attempted it again and it failed again
[1:14:26] so then it did take them almost a month
[1:14:29] to fix it the way that this system works
[1:14:32] is they have to send something to
[1:14:33] development and it actually runs into
[1:14:35] where they have to do a complete
[1:14:37] software fix that then it has to run
[1:14:40] into our
[1:14:42] system and as a result of the issues
[1:14:45] that I've had since we've converted um I
[1:14:49] am going to be doing I normally do my
[1:14:51] mock tax bill run in November November
[1:14:55] or early December but I'm actually doing
[1:14:57] it in October okay um because I want to
[1:15:00] make sure that we are able to get any
[1:15:03] errors corrected if we have a long time
[1:15:06] to wait when was the last time we
[1:15:08] negotiated that contract with believe it
[1:15:11] three more years
[1:15:14] oh Tyler is just a part of what happened
[1:15:17] with the
[1:15:18] whole U the virus
[1:15:21] thing is you know they lost all their
[1:15:24] people left and they're having lot of
[1:15:27] trouble finding new system people up and
[1:15:29] then you get new people then they have
[1:15:31] to warn the systems
[1:15:33] so
[1:15:36] all really set them back a b yeah and I
[1:15:40] there are a couple contacts I have there
[1:15:42] that have been there for I've been here
[1:15:43] for 19 years and some of them have been
[1:15:45] there for that long but and they will
[1:15:47] get back to me but unfortunately it's
[1:15:50] like the hierarchy of how many people
[1:15:51] are in front of me that have already
[1:15:53] reached out to them and it's it's
[1:15:55] definitely been an impact this
[1:15:59] year thank you so if I can add um I
[1:16:03] would like to see if we could review
[1:16:04] what that exit clause would look like
[1:16:06] cuz if your office is having to
[1:16:07] subsidize and take on that additional
[1:16:09] burden and there seems to be no
[1:16:11] improvements I would say unless there's
[1:16:13] a lack of other vendors out there I
[1:16:16] think there has to be an accountability
[1:16:19] Factor if you disagree yeah I mean Unice
[1:16:22] should have to respond within X number
[1:16:24] of of days because we do pay them on a
[1:16:28] regular basis quite a bit of money so um
[1:16:31] I don't I don't think it's not and they
[1:16:33] are one of the biggest providers to
[1:16:35] municipalities around um and it's not
[1:16:39] that I'm dissatisfied with M as a whole
[1:16:41] I would say no but when you have a major
[1:16:44] problem like not being able to emplo
[1:16:46] file you can't wait you know almost two
[1:16:49] months for that to be rectified it finds
[1:16:51] we find it hard to understand too is
[1:16:53] because we've done it for Less 19 years
[1:16:55] and all of a sudden it's like it's like
[1:16:57] what's different about it I've done this
[1:17:00] my sleep yeah and then it just kep
[1:17:02] failing so just you know you know don't
[1:17:05] have the power to fix
[1:17:08] it and if we have to if this is an issue
[1:17:11] and we're paying them at the same rate
[1:17:12] regardless of how they deliver service I
[1:17:15] don't know if there's an opportunity to
[1:17:16] renegotiate that and said if you don't
[1:17:18] get it done by this then you know we
[1:17:20] reduce how much we pay you by that I
[1:17:22] don't know right and I do think it needs
[1:17:24] like CU When we enter a case we can say
[1:17:26] this is a medium importance case or this
[1:17:29] is a critical case and I think there
[1:17:31] needs to be something where a critical
[1:17:33] case needs to be addressed within you
[1:17:35] know a day or two like it used to be you
[1:17:38] know whereas a medium okay I don't need
[1:17:40] this right now and that could be but it
[1:17:42] seems something needs to be worked out
[1:17:45] there because it affects thousands of
[1:17:47] people every time I mean I had 2800
[1:17:50] delinquent School tax bills that
[1:17:53] couldn't come in that's what it is
[1:17:57] so thank you any questions a lot of
[1:18:00] work get you get it done thank you we
[1:18:03] appreciate what do thank you very much
[1:18:06] even we'll move
[1:18:08] into
[1:18:10] development and that is page
[1:18:14] 50 okay
[1:18:17] so
[1:18:19] 8686
[1:18:21] a687 uh commissions and the board A7 5
[1:18:25] 20 a810 and
[1:18:28] 8020 uh the total development
[1:18:30] Administration increased by
[1:18:33] 4.6% Total Community Development
[1:18:35] increase by
[1:18:37] 16.15% uh there's no increase in the
[1:18:39] board appeals no increase in the
[1:18:42] Planning Commission and there's no
[1:18:43] increase in historical
[1:18:46] commission I just want to add biggest
[1:18:49] reason we increase is that the zoning
[1:18:51] officer was add to that uh to part of
[1:18:54] the government Administration that
[1:18:56] caused the I see okay so it was in a
[1:18:59] different department before corre so
[1:19:02] we'll see that decrease in Zod then in
[1:19:05] COD corre thank
[1:19:08] you you can just go
[1:19:11] through I your like make and then ask
[1:19:14] you to give us a brief what's new what's
[1:19:17] the pipeline in your department um as
[1:19:19] they said no real U major changes I
[1:19:23] think the one change that probably would
[1:19:25] highlight will be our part-time seasonal
[1:19:27] salaries as you can see there's an
[1:19:29] increase there of the
[1:19:30] 54,000 um we have um a part-time home
[1:19:34] specialist helping manage the federal
[1:19:37] home funds the mayor has asked um for a
[1:19:41] plan um for that this week so I will be
[1:19:44] working on that um who wants to address
[1:19:47] that in the budget
[1:19:51] line can I can I just clation on address
[1:19:55] that and watch
[1:19:57] meaning the person that is part-time
[1:20:00] having a end date or there needs to be a
[1:20:03] plan in place because they were a
[1:20:04] temporary part-time
[1:20:08] person so he he's asked for an update on
[1:20:11] where we are with with that
[1:20:15] and what is their what is their title
[1:20:18] again they they it's just a clerk their
[1:20:21] title was a clerk but they help um
[1:20:23] manage the home funding of for the
[1:20:25] Community Development Department in fact
[1:20:27] that person we we we were in because
[1:20:30] there was such a lapse at at home after
[1:20:33] uh the person had the position before
[1:20:36] this person came in and helped us tie in
[1:20:38] uh address the audits Audits and stuff
[1:20:42] like that with a consortion with Troy
[1:20:44] and County because actually she was an
[1:20:47] expert at this know who done this for
[1:20:50] her career so she really helped us out
[1:20:53] is this line 86
[1:20:55] yes 8687
[1:20:57] so so what you're saying is that that
[1:20:59] will go away yes this will probably be
[1:21:01] the last
[1:21:03] year thank you any other questions go
[1:21:07] ahead please so is that the only part
[1:21:09] there are no other part two but the
[1:21:11] other yes the other part-time person is
[1:21:13] drawing from our community development
[1:21:15] assistant
[1:21:17] line okay
[1:21:19] see so that so this is a
[1:21:23] full two two part-time people working
[1:21:27] between 10 and 15 hours a week so I just
[1:21:30] so the
[1:21:32] 47,000 five is we is compensation for
[1:21:35] one individual no as part time she she's
[1:21:38] not that's a vacant position it's vacant
[1:21:40] but that's where she's getting paid from
[1:21:42] right now she's not included in that
[1:21:44] part-time seasonal salary that is for
[1:21:46] the one person working that 20 hours so
[1:21:51] actually it's going to be a little bit
[1:21:52] less than the 47 if they're only part
[1:21:54] time correct correct but the goal um
[1:21:56] Madam president is to fill that position
[1:21:59] the goal for the Department is to gain
[1:22:01] capacity because this is full-time work
[1:22:03] it's not part-time work so the part-time
[1:22:06] people have been extremely helpful and
[1:22:08] they got us through the fire um but we
[1:22:11] need to have full time we the the job is
[1:22:13] full-time okay the goal is to increase
[1:22:16] our capacity in the department all right
[1:22:18] thank you fees for service last year we
[1:22:22] uh budgeted U 160 this here
[1:22:25] your B 100,000 So based on what we spent
[1:22:30] um down our fees for services are really
[1:22:31] our con our consultants and our arborous
[1:22:34] so 160 was a little bit above what we
[1:22:37] needed based on what we said I'm sorry
[1:22:39] what line is thate Mr that's u
[1:22:43] a page 50 right the b86 8686 oh yeah I
[1:22:48] have that highlighted also okay
[1:22:57] any go ahead please so
[1:23:00] um under your department the um lead
[1:23:03] inspector is there correct and I read
[1:23:06] the article in the paper that we got
[1:23:08] this Grant and so how that W impact her
[1:23:11] level of work uh and does does she have
[1:23:15] everything she needs to do that is you
[1:23:17] know could it will impact her it would
[1:23:20] impact her level work she's already
[1:23:22] doing the work um
[1:23:25] we I went this is something with the L
[1:23:27] inspector that was try I was trying to
[1:23:30] work last year when I came to city
[1:23:31] council that was from our predecessor to
[1:23:33] get a pay increase for her so we went I
[1:23:35] went to csca to say they said they would
[1:23:38] try to work a title with supervisor not
[1:23:42] moving her to management but with some
[1:23:43] supervisory skills because she's going
[1:23:45] to have to train other inspectors we
[1:23:47] have a a grant program coming down from
[1:23:50] the county as well for Leed for the um
[1:23:53] the rental apartments and for landlords
[1:23:56] so her role as a lead inspector will
[1:23:59] increase you have to be EPA um EPA risk
[1:24:03] assessor certified and we only have two
[1:24:05] in the city and that's including her and
[1:24:07] one in codes right now and I believe
[1:24:10] Brian said we have three that are
[1:24:12] pending if I'm right for testing to pass
[1:24:15] a test to help with that so her role her
[1:24:19] job will
[1:24:20] increase I don't see an increase in tell
[1:24:23] because csca is
[1:24:27] under so I I did submit that um as a
[1:24:31] request but by default you don't see
[1:24:34] that in this bu but I did ask that for
[1:24:36] her all right thank
[1:24:39] you and we're working with the the CCA
[1:24:42] rep to kind of address the job title cuz
[1:24:45] she's maxed out where she's at so I have
[1:24:47] gone to Steve um for that information so
[1:24:50] the ball is in
[1:24:52] csca hands
[1:24:55] thank you so this could this is
[1:24:57] definitely going to increase once we do
[1:24:59] the finish the
[1:25:04] contract we don't negotiate cont yeah
[1:25:07] then have pass it just say
[1:25:09] [Music]
[1:25:11] yes any other
[1:25:13] question um I have a question regarding
[1:25:17] the zoning office now under your um
[1:25:20] Department um over the last several
[1:25:23] months we have failed a lot of complaint
[1:25:25] in terms of turnover time from the
[1:25:27] zoning office getting people's permit
[1:25:30] back out on time I'm sure you a of that
[1:25:33] we talk about it to talk to you about it
[1:25:36] what are in place what do you have in
[1:25:38] place sorry to address these um these
[1:25:41] question so I would like to correct yall
[1:25:43] and say over the last several months it
[1:25:45] will be predated because over the last
[1:25:47] several months we've made the changes
[1:25:50] and implemented a process and if I may I
[1:25:53] will look up what the process is cuz I
[1:25:55] don't know the dates off offline but we
[1:25:57] give her six to9 business days to
[1:26:00] process those
[1:26:01] appliations it is 6 to9 business days
[1:26:05] the complaints come from internally not
[1:26:08] being able our departments meaning code
[1:26:10] and development not really communicating
[1:26:13] properly but working closely with Brian
[1:26:15] and the code staff we have been trying
[1:26:17] to foster a more collaborative work
[1:26:21] environment to address that issue so now
[1:26:23] Nora
[1:26:25] um just let me pull that up I'm sorry
[1:26:28] Mak me nervous now
[1:26:33] should news that in development now that
[1:26:36] nor is up in development she's been
[1:26:38] working with the planning department
[1:26:40] also which she's getting support from
[1:26:43] whereas previously she was not getting
[1:26:45] as much support I was just say so not
[1:26:48] only from the development department but
[1:26:50] uh from Alexander but also from the
[1:26:53] planners and stuff like that so they're
[1:26:54] all working together turn out to be a
[1:26:56] really good uh so that change has been
[1:26:59] made and change has been made the
[1:27:01] process will improved the process has
[1:27:03] improved and we're still working with
[1:27:05] our co- officers it's all about how we
[1:27:08] deliver the message to the public right
[1:27:10] if the public is coming in versus saying
[1:27:13] it's held up in development we should
[1:27:15] probably say it's still in process right
[1:27:18] she has six to n businesses if we're
[1:27:21] not we have to protect oursel inside
[1:27:24] public face and we're public servants
[1:27:25] but we still have those aren't we
[1:27:27] colleagues we have to work together so
[1:27:28] we Brian and I have worked together to
[1:27:32] kind of streamline a process like I said
[1:27:34] Foster more communication and saying to
[1:27:37] our team listen if you get something and
[1:27:39] it's held up let's let's go by what we
[1:27:41] have in place it's it's still in that 6
[1:27:43] to9 business days and then outside of
[1:27:46] that then you let us know and we'll
[1:27:47] address it but I think the public wants
[1:27:50] rapid gratification John right you put
[1:27:53] an application in
[1:27:54] 3 days later it's been a holiday we
[1:27:57] didn't had two days off they looking for
[1:27:59] it to happen right there so I will um I
[1:28:02] will try to circulate what this memo is
[1:28:06] um to city council yeah if that's okay
[1:28:08] no the reason why I B that because I
[1:28:10] mean I'm glad that changes were U put in
[1:28:13] place on the 6 to 9 day that's you know
[1:28:15] that's reasonable for turn around to get
[1:28:17] the documents review and back up because
[1:28:19] we have heard and seen people waited you
[1:28:22] know several weeks performing 20 room
[1:28:25] and she's one zoning officer too so this
[1:28:27] is why it was important to give her a
[1:28:30] time frame so she had there's 6 to 10
[1:28:32] business days after a request has been
[1:28:34] received invoice in process into
[1:28:37] municity that's for zoning compliance
[1:28:39] request for permits is 6 to 10 business
[1:28:42] days after Code Enforcement Officers
[1:28:44] assign the task to the zoning officer IM
[1:28:48] municity she we have office hours now
[1:28:51] just for walk-ins where you don't need
[1:28:52] an appointment so 9 to 10 and 3: to 4:
[1:28:56] every day the public can stop them
[1:28:57] without an appointment that doesn't stop
[1:29:00] the public from making an appointment
[1:29:02] with her so that because the zoning
[1:29:03] officer is also in the field so a lot of
[1:29:06] times people come in looking for her but
[1:29:08] she's out she's out in the
[1:29:11] field um for routed plans for large
[1:29:14] developments there's six to 10 business
[1:29:16] days after the routed plans have been
[1:29:18] given to the zoning officer and for
[1:29:20] complaints because we do get a lot of
[1:29:22] complaints we have that um they should
[1:29:24] be submitted over the C click fix or
[1:29:26] formal complaint um these forms are
[1:29:29] found in the buildings department and
[1:29:30] should be submitted to the Buildings
[1:29:32] Department for processing we put
[1:29:34] something in place for same day
[1:29:35] approvals no permits will be approved
[1:29:37] the same day regardless of the
[1:29:39] circumstances every member of the
[1:29:41] Public's application will be reviewed on
[1:29:42] a fair and consistent basis
[1:29:46] so and the last but not least is
[1:29:49] Christine handles the change in Tennesse
[1:29:50] waivers and there's a three to five
[1:29:52] business days for that this involved
[1:29:54] going out to check the properties to
[1:29:56] make sure they are in compliance with
[1:29:57] the prior site plan approval so we sent
[1:29:59] the memo out to um department heads um
[1:30:05] in the mayor's office on June
[1:30:08] 24th that's nice and you're going to
[1:30:11] share that with oun thank you appreciate
[1:30:14] that and I appreciate the changes in
[1:30:18] place open for
[1:30:20] [Music]
[1:30:21] questions um one thing that we asked for
[1:30:24] um was the vacancy list currently so
[1:30:27] right now um uh the Community
[1:30:30] Development assistant is is it's not
[1:30:33] filled it is not it is not filled but we
[1:30:36] are we have been actively looking so we
[1:30:38] have the Community Development assistant
[1:30:40] and the program monitor so one of the
[1:30:42] part-time people is right now working as
[1:30:45] the Community Development assistant
[1:30:46] helping with management of the federal
[1:30:48] funding in arpa um so she's kind of
[1:30:50] filling that role temporarily and the
[1:30:53] program mon
[1:30:54] we've been getting applications we um
[1:30:57] there were a couple of candidates that
[1:30:58] we like but they didn't get through the
[1:31:00] Civil um service piece and we have one
[1:31:03] candidate that maryan was working on
[1:31:06] prior to the transition so we're hoping
[1:31:08] to have an answer on that um as the new
[1:31:10] HR administrator gets activated but
[1:31:13] these are positions you're definitely
[1:31:14] looking to fill definitely looking to
[1:31:16] fill thank you the Community Development
[1:31:20] assistant you said is filed that's what
[1:31:21] we just talked about right is she's part
[1:31:25] time
[1:31:27] okay any other questions comment just
[1:31:30] want to mention that the capital
[1:31:32] projects development got uh is
[1:31:35] requesting three vehicles one for
[1:31:37] planning one for zoning and one
[1:31:40] for 40,000 CG is that in in the C yes
[1:31:46] that's what that 4,000 yeah so you can
[1:31:49] get three vehicles for $40,000 no like
[1:31:54] are right it's right here 114 out of
[1:31:58] that 40,000 is coming from C because one
[1:32:00] can go if one is for Community
[1:32:02] Development that is an allowable expense
[1:32:04] for CBG funding so these these say these
[1:32:08] are all electric vehicles and we just
[1:32:09] talked about the um lead inspector are
[1:32:12] any of these a vehicle that's like a
[1:32:14] truck yes so it is proposed a a Transit
[1:32:18] is what we were looking at um for it I
[1:32:21] don't it's electric car I think we have
[1:32:23] some a trans it's like a van oh okay um
[1:32:26] because right now she has a smaller car
[1:32:28] where she has to put a ladder and all of
[1:32:30] these things it the smaller car doesn't
[1:32:32] work for the job so you are looking at a
[1:32:34] vehicle that better accommodated yes
[1:32:36] we're also looking at Mavericks which is
[1:32:38] a like a small truck oh it's a truck
[1:32:42] yeah for electric small
[1:32:46] truck nice but all electric
[1:32:49] vehicles right any other question thank
[1:32:52] you see young thank you so much
[1:32:55] appreciate all you're doing why you
[1:32:57] didn't ask me what I had
[1:33:00] going told tell me what's new
[1:33:09] what's didn't hear me so tell me what's
[1:33:11] new going
[1:33:13] on so I want to I want to share with the
[1:33:16] city council that we um we launched our
[1:33:19] new software neighborly um that is to
[1:33:21] help Community Development manage all
[1:33:24] federal funding um it is going to help
[1:33:26] us be more efficient um with invoicing
[1:33:30] with processing with reporting with the
[1:33:32] quarterly reports and this will free up
[1:33:34] some of the time where we actually can
[1:33:36] because the system will be working for
[1:33:38] us um that we can find other funding
[1:33:41] sources to manage I'm so I'm I'm really
[1:33:44] excited about that I know you talk we
[1:33:47] talked a little bit about the city
[1:33:49] property so I don't know if this fill
[1:33:50] would go but I was going to say we're on
[1:33:52] target to meet our 2023 budget for City
[1:33:55] owned properties but if we're carrying
[1:33:57] over to
[1:33:59] 2.6 million to 2025 I guess I can't brag
[1:34:03] about that cuz they're all pending no
[1:34:05] you can still brag about that because
[1:34:07] you you you you you achieve it process
[1:34:10] all the paper all the necessary
[1:34:11] documentation to get it where it
[1:34:14] is lot of work inails they're pending
[1:34:17] until March 31st you got yes I want to
[1:34:21] also highlight I know I've reported to
[1:34:22] City Council on this um you know
[1:34:24] throughout the time that we are like 99%
[1:34:27] in compliance with arpa and that's
[1:34:29] invoicing quarterly
[1:34:31] reports um with all of our subrecipients
[1:34:35] we have some arpa funding that has been
[1:34:37] at a standstill but Anthony advis to get
[1:34:39] a plan so we have put out a letter to
[1:34:42] those subrecipients for and working the
[1:34:44] team is worked with them to put a
[1:34:45] spending plan together to make sure that
[1:34:47] they are accessing their funds and
[1:34:49] spending them down um in the appropriate
[1:34:52] timeline that are for allow
[1:34:54] how much is that I just want to remind
[1:34:56] everybody talking about ARA um so of
[1:34:59] that we talked about that are stand
[1:35:01] still they have till December uh 31st to have contracts or or actually have
[1:35:07] some contracts with their vendors to
[1:35:09] actually get to work started or uh
[1:35:12] projected and if they don't and they go
[1:35:16] past that time we cannot re appropriate
[1:35:19] that money we lose it so we have to
[1:35:21] start thinking about prior to December
[1:35:24] do we lose it or can we can we take it
[1:35:26] back no we can't no we lose it we we we lose the money so we talk about we
[1:35:31] got be very careful with the December
[1:35:33] 31st we don't have December
[1:35:35] 31st we have to make sure that we
[1:35:38] revisit this prior to seator for and
[1:35:40] reallocate these money back to the city
[1:35:43] right and we have one that is really in
[1:35:45] Jeopardy so our team is being very
[1:35:47] intentional to work with that how much
[1:35:49] is out there as far as those not being
[1:35:53] approp
[1:35:54] I would say just just one just one money
[1:35:58] how much 1.2 I believe is what and could
[1:36:02] be that one for a million too one yeah
[1:36:04] the 1 million one one too is Pretty
[1:36:06] Tough we have this oh yeah I
[1:36:12] seeon so this this gives us all the
[1:36:14] information that you just talked about
[1:36:16] yes yes but the department is
[1:36:19] actively we want to support um those
[1:36:22] Community or organization so we are
[1:36:25] we're doing our part to kind of just
[1:36:27] encourage them this reminding them that
[1:36:30] time is of the
[1:36:32] essence but December is right around the
[1:36:34] corner so when you sorry when you when
[1:36:38] you're going out reminding them are you
[1:36:40] getting a positive feedback from them
[1:36:41] are they working with you on your
[1:36:44] department something but I they've been
[1:36:46] given positive feedback from the start I
[1:36:48] think they're just having difficulties
[1:36:50] and and that that brings me to the next
[1:36:52] statement is capacity
[1:36:54] right it's a large amount and one of the
[1:36:56] organizations just doesn't have the
[1:36:58] resources compared to some of the other
[1:37:00] organizations to actually execute the
[1:37:02] project So the plan is there but it's getting other resources to work
[1:37:07] with
[1:37:09] our so on the same lines of arpa those
[1:37:12] recouped arpa funds were those projects
[1:37:15] that were in consideration were they
[1:37:17] notified of this new position the city's
[1:37:19] taking I I was not part of that
[1:37:22] conversation so I'm so so sorry I did
[1:37:24] not I was not able to notify because I
[1:37:27] didn't find out until I seen the
[1:37:29] proposed budget thank you go ahead I can
[1:37:32] speak to that because I got an email
[1:37:34] from one of the projects and the answer
[1:37:36] to that question is no they were not
[1:37:37] informed until they sent an email
[1:37:40] actually to ask where it was and they
[1:37:43] included myself and the mayor and Miss
[1:37:45] Carver um and I responded and said you
[1:37:47] know this is what the situation is I
[1:37:49] know was in the budget they were not
[1:37:51] aware that they're that they were being
[1:37:53] considered to have those um those phones
[1:37:57] [Music]
[1:38:01] sended I thought car they
[1:38:04] left what do you mean left I thought
[1:38:07] they they gave up their no the old group
[1:38:11] did but then we had the co-op who came
[1:38:13] and to the grp 50123 it was
[1:38:18] the car
[1:38:21] was so when okay step back was not
[1:38:28] 501c3 to my knowled they were not a
[1:38:31] 501c3 and um did you think they were to
[1:38:34] I did think that but I mean you know I I
[1:38:36] don't believe they were however the new
[1:38:38] group did have Community Fathers as part
[1:38:40] of it which is also a 501c3 if if that
[1:38:43] seems to be the sticking point so they
[1:38:45] were definitely a 501c3 we we didn't
[1:38:47] have a contract with them we had it with
[1:38:49] the other group right and the other
[1:38:50] group returned the building and then but
[1:38:52] this group was in discussions we as a
[1:38:54] council sat here and heard them and so
[1:38:56] they were W the understanding that we
[1:38:58] were working with them so you we can
[1:39:00] talk about the the contract no idea but
[1:39:03] we never and we never said otherwise so
[1:39:05] they came here discussing this with us
[1:39:07] so they understood that we were working
[1:39:08] with them so you know nobody ever said
[1:39:10] you got to sign this contract um so I I
[1:39:13] can't I don't think we could just go
[1:39:15] down that road um so I don't know what
[1:39:17] happened how it happened I just know
[1:39:19] that I read it in the newspaper um that
[1:39:21] was I read newspaper then I went looked
[1:39:23] in the budget to to confirm that what I
[1:39:26] was reading think was correct and and
[1:39:28] that was but I was under the assumption
[1:39:30] that that origal group gave it up and
[1:39:33] that it was pended we wanted to use it
[1:39:35] before we lose
[1:39:38] it questions and so I'm just going back
[1:39:40] to say okay Mar and Craig wasn't a 5013
[1:39:44] or still not a 5013 we did transfer a
[1:39:47] building to
[1:39:48] them and the other group that took over
[1:39:52] was on a 5 want prce but we we didn't
[1:39:54] transfer the build into that I we no we
[1:39:57] didn't no that's why I so the question
[1:39:59] is why did we did it for one and we
[1:40:01] didn't do it for the ud I I was on the
[1:40:03] presumption that the first group was a
[1:40:05] 501c3 well let's go out and verify that
[1:40:08] I do not believe but I will
[1:40:11] definitely however but we can't but but
[1:40:14] let's not also say I just want to make
[1:40:15] clear that we never said to the group
[1:40:17] are you a 501c3 as we had those
[1:40:19] discussions with them and they were
[1:40:21] doing the project and if I if my m
[1:40:23] resarch new correct when they presented
[1:40:24] they weren't going to go to 501c3 route
[1:40:27] um and they were saying that they were
[1:40:29] going to work to get um their formal
[1:40:32] they wer going to do the 501c there's no
[1:40:34] way there going to be a 501c3 by
[1:40:38] December this is the new group you mean
[1:40:40] when we had meeting when we had the
[1:40:41] meeting here yes the Hamilton Hill
[1:40:43] Cooper so Mr carrari how can we have a
[1:40:46] formal email letter out to this group
[1:40:49] the last group to inform them I don't
[1:40:51] know who the group is is it I know who
[1:40:53] is I know who the group is all right
[1:40:55] we'll get
[1:40:58] together I think the mayor's part of
[1:41:00] this discussion and um because he was on
[1:41:02] my email so just um just just so we not
[1:41:06] I know that he's not here tonight
[1:41:07] leaving him out of what this discussion
[1:41:09] is to he is definitely a part of that
[1:41:10] email that was coming from the
[1:41:13] cooperative and I did speak to the mayor
[1:41:14] briefly this week and he said he was
[1:41:16] going to reach out and have a
[1:41:17] conversation so he is aware I did try to
[1:41:20] follow up with him on the email that
[1:41:23] yeah I also I was not aware of that but
[1:41:25] I also heard that there was other other
[1:41:28] institutions that that
[1:41:30] were other place other companies that
[1:41:33] were interested interested in but I
[1:41:36] think the go I think the goal from where
[1:41:38] I said I thought think the goal was to
[1:41:41] have a collaborative effort between the
[1:41:44] community and another organization that
[1:41:47] has capacity to support support the
[1:41:51] Carver um and and so Circle back to your
[1:41:54] question no they were not formally
[1:41:56] informed that was that's what I'm asking
[1:41:58] for a formal notification to let them
[1:42:00] know what is going on yeah I think that
[1:42:03] should come from the main not me I'm
[1:42:06] making a statement I
[1:42:08] as
[1:42:09] yeah I just thought it was in limbo and
[1:42:12] you know it's the money that we can use
[1:42:13] it we wanted to get it used before
[1:42:15] December go ahead please um thank you
[1:42:19] Missy on this is there any any um have
[1:42:22] you gotten any uh whoever's gotten their
[1:42:24] money spent it um the way they needed to
[1:42:27] appropriate appropriate the funds have
[1:42:29] you gotten any reports from anyone is we
[1:42:32] collect reports quarterly okay so we um
[1:42:35] the only person that has there's only a
[1:42:37] couple of people that have fully
[1:42:38] expended and we're working to get close
[1:42:40] out reports for them but everybody's in
[1:42:41] compliance they spent it based on what
[1:42:43] they said they were going to spend it
[1:42:45] with their proposal can not be passed
[1:42:47] along to the council at any so you want
[1:42:49] the final report or you want the
[1:42:50] quarterly report quarterly yeah see come
[1:42:53] on that is so
[1:42:55] much she just no problem thank you thank
[1:42:59] you my friend thank you all any other
[1:43:02] questions
[1:43:06] I'm I want my time you you tell you
[1:43:11] wanted to talk about the highlights
[1:43:13] would been out of here no I just have I
[1:43:15] just wanted to highlight two more and
[1:43:18] that was that we addressed um all
[1:43:20] outstanding HUD audit findings from 2020
[1:43:24] 2021 2022 so we had three years of
[1:43:28] findings when I started a year ago that
[1:43:30] were still pending and all of those have
[1:43:32] been addressed and cleared up um with
[1:43:35] the federal government um and for the
[1:43:38] first time when I look back at our and
[1:43:41] being on the other side of being a
[1:43:42] subrecipient of the city we've always
[1:43:45] received our community development
[1:43:47] grants 6 seven months after the fiscal
[1:43:50] year has started and for the first time
[1:43:53] at least minimum um 7 years we have our
[1:43:56] contracts ready to go out into the
[1:43:59] public into the sub reian within the
[1:44:01] first 30 days of our HUD FIS schal year
[1:44:03] starting so I'm really proud of the team
[1:44:05] and the work that um the department has
[1:44:07] done with that great
[1:44:10] nice detail thank you yeah thank you um
[1:44:13] M Carver for for for the work that
[1:44:15] you've done the year and bringing us up
[1:44:17] today now did you talk about um the
[1:44:19] other and your team as well I know
[1:44:21] that's not one person it's the team but
[1:44:23] you are the team leader the other one we
[1:44:25] I read in the paper of the Department of
[1:44:26] Labor did you mention that one um you
[1:44:30] didn't do you want I don't oh where um
[1:44:35] there was there was something that you I
[1:44:36] think you mentioned it here and then it
[1:44:38] was there was an artic in the newspaper
[1:44:40] about it but I didn't see that the
[1:44:41] development team was mentioned at all
[1:44:44] are you all the pro housing all the pro
[1:44:47] housing community designation I didn't
[1:44:49] highlight that but we did we did get
[1:44:51] that so as a city we have access to
[1:44:53] discretionary funding that other
[1:44:55] municipalities may not have eventually
[1:44:58] New York state will make that mandatory
[1:45:00] I don't know if that happened for all
[1:45:01] municipalities but we were we were in
[1:45:04] the beginning where it wasn't mandatory
[1:45:06] so we um completed all of the zoning and
[1:45:10] planning and Community Development um
[1:45:12] research and gave the data to get the
[1:45:14] designation for the city so we are
[1:45:17] designated as a pro housing community
[1:45:19] highl okay and that happen watch yes yes
[1:45:23] like a lot we I mean I think I when you
[1:45:27] think of Department of development let
[1:45:29] me just be clear it's it's more than
[1:45:31] just development it's Community
[1:45:33] Development it's planning it's you're
[1:45:35] the LED program director you do sah it's
[1:45:38] the historic commission it's the bza
[1:45:41] it's the Planning Commission it's the
[1:45:43] city owned properties there's a lot um
[1:45:47] that falls under that umbrella and it's
[1:45:50] important that I just say that on the
[1:45:52] record it's not just development it is a
[1:45:54] large umbrella and we are working and
[1:45:56] making the most appropriate changes um
[1:45:59] in finding out what's most advantageous
[1:46:02] for the city in a whole with processes
[1:46:04] procedures policies we have addressed
[1:46:06] that this last year so it's it's just
[1:46:08] important for you to know that we're
[1:46:10] working upstairs I wish we would have an
[1:46:13] opportunity to eat Truffles and you know
[1:46:16] Dum Dums but um we're we're we're busy
[1:46:19] working Madam president there were two
[1:46:22] things that said um I did request um for
[1:46:26] the in the budget and I did have a
[1:46:29] conversation um with the mayor about it
[1:46:31] and he said that I should bring it
[1:46:32] before Council so ma this up to the
[1:46:35] finance direct please sorry it's all
[1:46:37] yours so the um and for the record I had
[1:46:41] the conversation with my boss and he
[1:46:43] said it is at the um city council
[1:46:45] discretion
[1:46:46] okay the uh planner one sent a formal
[1:46:50] request for a pay increase of 10% repage
[1:46:55] that would be um 86 886 100 principal
[1:46:58] plan I'm sorry
[1:47:03] 86 you yes the principal planner put a
[1:47:06] formal request in for 10% pay
[1:47:09] increase okay and myself the director of
[1:47:13] development put a request in for a 15%
[1:47:15] pay increase so principal planner how
[1:47:18] much 10% 10% requested okay
[1:47:22] [Music]
[1:47:24] and development inre
[1:47:28] 15% are there anyone
[1:47:31] else no understanding the the rest of
[1:47:34] the team they they had amounts but I
[1:47:38] think those are the two biggest that I
[1:47:39] will um bring before you
[1:47:42] today in addition to the probably 3%
[1:47:45] that's there already not in addition so
[1:47:49] be 12% or 7% in other words yes okay yes
[1:47:54] 50us three that was a good clarification
[1:47:57] Mr can you correct me if I'm wrong how
[1:47:59] would it be the council's perview to
[1:48:03] dictate the mayor's proposed budget well it's not dictating it's making
[1:48:08] changes which is beond but great saying
[1:48:10] is he can to do as the mayor what he
[1:48:13] eles to do in that's that's a good
[1:48:15] question and we can related to this over
[1:48:17] years as being in his Council here and
[1:48:19] his Finance um chair that um many times
[1:48:22] a May says you know what he is his staff
[1:48:25] he put in a salary that he thinks that
[1:48:27] is
[1:48:28] reasonable and sometimes it doesn't go
[1:48:30] well when the council tries to make
[1:48:33] changes to Staffing and salary and
[1:48:35] that's a good point we brought up there
[1:48:37] so we will have to consider
[1:48:40] these openly with within the council
[1:48:42] with an open L this year and I I did
[1:48:46] have a conversation with my boss of
[1:48:49] course I respect my report with him so I
[1:48:51] would never bring something before you
[1:48:53] that I have not discussed with him and
[1:48:55] he heard me and I asked him what um what
[1:48:59] would he suggest that I do and he said
[1:49:01] bring it before counsel so that is just
[1:49:03] what I'm doing um on this evening you
[1:49:06] know whether it is honored or not I'm
[1:49:08] doing what I feel is best advocating for
[1:49:10] myself and advocating for my team as
[1:49:13] I've just highlighted the work that has
[1:49:15] been done um thus far and not what has
[1:49:18] been done this far but even taking into
[1:49:20] consideration on where we're going cuz
[1:49:22] we're we're still walking we haven't
[1:49:24] even begun um to run and put dust behind
[1:49:27] our feet so get
[1:49:30] prepared you should applicate for your
[1:49:32] team and for yourself every
[1:49:35] time well I'm not really understanding
[1:49:37] your question I mean we have had this
[1:49:38] happen in the past as well where um
[1:49:41] staff people have been um you know the
[1:49:44] salary inrees that they requested the
[1:49:46] mayor were
[1:49:47] not put into the Bears budget and so we
[1:49:50] have had had the opportunity to then
[1:49:53] discuss those um increases in salary
[1:49:55] here as Council relatively new though it
[1:49:58] hasn't like in maybe prior to you but
[1:50:00] Rel before that that didn't really
[1:50:02] happen that's kind of a new um yes
[1:50:04] phenomenon that that that that people
[1:50:07] would I can't tell you exactly where it
[1:50:09] began but I think I remember who it
[1:50:10] began with which staff person but
[1:50:12] generally speaking um that didn't happen
[1:50:15] but there's IND individual who felt very
[1:50:18] strongly about the request that they
[1:50:21] made therefore they came to advocate for
[1:50:23] themselves so so you're aware I'm saying
[1:50:26] this according to M Alexander's account
[1:50:29] that the mayor felt so entailed to put
[1:50:32] the increase in he could have just put
[1:50:33] the increase in and then spoke to it to
[1:50:35] us so that to me is the proper way to go
[1:50:40] about it I can understand this way but I
[1:50:42] just wanted to have a clarification of
[1:50:45] we review his proposed
[1:50:48] budget we do but again because we have
[1:50:51] our department heads come in during
[1:50:53] these nights um let's move it away from
[1:50:55] personnel and salary but I mean clearly
[1:50:59] we have instances where our department
[1:51:01] heads are going to ask us uh to think
[1:51:03] about things that the mayor has already
[1:51:05] rejected I mean it's just been part of
[1:51:06] the pro at least I mean again I'm only
[1:51:07] in my second term on city council um but
[1:51:10] it certainly has been this way since
[1:51:12] I've been on city
[1:51:13] council department heads um it was
[1:51:17] presented that the mayor was in favor of
[1:51:18] this and said the correct way to go
[1:51:20] about it is to discuss this with the
[1:51:21] council oh
[1:51:23] you put in a request for the 15 and 10%
[1:51:27] he gave you what's
[1:51:28] [Music]
[1:51:30] here I went back to the mayor and said
[1:51:33] can you please reconsider my request and
[1:51:36] he said he thinks this is a sound budget
[1:51:39] and I said well what do you think that I
[1:51:40] should do he said bring it before city
[1:51:42] council so he wasn't saying he supports
[1:51:45] it he just said come talk to have a
[1:51:48] me you have something you good you
[1:51:51] finish yeah yeah that's I understand
[1:51:53] yeah yeah he didn't say he supported he
[1:51:55] said bring it before city council so I'm
[1:51:57] just following Direction yeah we got to laugh sometimes this is
[1:52:04] always when we talk about finances and
[1:52:06] when you're advocating for yourself they
[1:52:08] tough conversations to have before the
[1:52:10] body the council so thank you I respect
[1:52:13] thank you no you have all right to
[1:52:14] advocate for yourself and your
[1:52:15] department that is your duty yes because
[1:52:18] that's how you been able to streng your
[1:52:19] department and that's how you build your
[1:52:21] department
[1:52:23] any other question for Miss no thank you so much thank you so much
[1:52:27] thank you Anthony thank you D thank you
[1:52:29] C thank
[1:52:31] you we will go into utility and Street
[1:52:36] Li am I missing anything under your
[1:52:40] department I'm
[1:52:43] sorry account codes are 862 83310 8331
[1:52:49] 85182 can you just tell me the page
[1:52:51] numbers I'm sorry just so we can to it
[1:52:54] page 24 thank page 12 I think page
[1:52:59] 12 go back to start let's start on page
[1:53:02] 12 and then work down thank you the uh
[1:53:05] utilities Administration decreased by
[1:53:11] 12.46% um this huge increases du2
[1:53:14] retirements in 2024 okay sign
[1:53:18] maintenance increased by
[1:53:20] 12.28% total traffic increased by
[1:53:23] [Music]
[1:53:24] 7.60% uh the total Street lighting
[1:53:27] increased by
[1:53:29] 4.86% uh that's from 1, 690,000 to 2,
[1:53:34] 380,000 um Guan will explain the portion
[1:53:38] is portion on Friday it's a smart City
[1:53:40] portion so U Brian will adjust his
[1:53:44] portion okay thank
[1:53:46] you so let's go through one the utility
[1:53:49] admin and then we'll go to the next one
[1:53:51] because it's multiple page done so we'll
[1:53:54] head it over to Brian and just walk us
[1:53:57] through tell us um anything that you
[1:53:59] need to address we you need um you need
[1:54:02] to address before us in regards to
[1:54:04] utility
[1:54:05] Administration so that's myself uh
[1:54:08] coordinating line workers painters sign
[1:54:10] maintenance workers like to the city
[1:54:14] traffic you know whether that's making
[1:54:16] uh drivers andest are like safer so
[1:54:19] that's something that I do and then
[1:54:20] there's the ips3 which right now is um
[1:54:24] Lisa filling that position but we're
[1:54:25] looking to obviously with her being
[1:54:28] semi-retired get someone else in there
[1:54:30] to assist with in office duties whether
[1:54:33] that be Financial
[1:54:35] or
[1:54:37] general question go ahead please
[1:54:39] regarding that so you saying that LE is
[1:54:41] still coming in working one day a week
[1:54:43] yes one day a
[1:54:45] week um the other one for the principal
[1:54:47] billing CL which was a last year half
[1:54:52] part time and now just doing away with
[1:54:59] that so this question direct you see
[1:55:03] signal superintend Lang has to be do
[1:55:05] with
[1:55:08] grade the signal superintendent um
[1:55:13] salary 111 to
[1:55:16] 97 I believe the 111,000 was originally
[1:55:21] uh John
[1:55:23] um they hired Brian at a certain salary
[1:55:26] and then it's increased by 3% so the
[1:55:29] 97,000 3% of
[1:55:34] currently 3% increase so
[1:55:37] yeah I have a question go ahead please
[1:55:40] so my understanding in addition to Lisa
[1:55:42] is Mr pucho also doing some work with
[1:55:44] the city correct so where where we see
[1:55:46] that on the fees for service is where
[1:55:48] are we seeing that that won't continue
[1:55:51] into next year
[1:55:52] anticipating it will not
[1:55:56] okay that
[1:55:58] was any other question on this section
[1:56:01] uh go ahead please is 33 111200 in this
[1:56:05] section utilities traffic 3311 sorry I
[1:56:09] I'll get to that yeah yeah get just
[1:56:12] asking about page um no I don't have any
[1:56:15] more questions on that page if not we
[1:56:17] can move to
[1:56:19] um page 24
[1:56:22] 4
[1:56:23] 24 25
[1:56:27] okay oh
[1:56:29] yeah sobody just walk us through the
[1:56:32] sign maintenance and then we'll go into
[1:56:35] traffic so pain anything Crosswalk
[1:56:38] Center Line basically anything that
[1:56:40] isn't uh specialty they can do um also
[1:56:43] making signs and downtime or the day or
[1:56:47] the months that they can't be outside
[1:56:49] you know doing their typical duties uh
[1:56:52] sign maintenance supervisor leads uh
[1:56:55] whether it's the painters or the sign
[1:56:57] maintenance crew for the day and then I
[1:56:59] talk with that same ass me and
[1:57:00] supervisor and make sure that we're on
[1:57:02] the same page as far as what they're
[1:57:03] doing and using their time
[1:57:08] op please uh as we heard from the police
[1:57:11] department on number of instances about
[1:57:13] needing to have signs replaced is there
[1:57:15] like a normal turnaround time for signs
[1:57:17] or is that a backlog project so I'm glad
[1:57:20] you said that I actually have a report
[1:57:22] from the police department that we're
[1:57:23] going through they gave me their signs
[1:57:25] that they feel need to be replaced we're
[1:57:26] doing our own um inhouse uh observation
[1:57:31] of what signs so I actually have to
[1:57:34] follow up with my sign supervisor will
[1:57:36] tomorrow make sure that we're on the
[1:57:38] same page as far
[1:57:40] as thank you for being on top of that we
[1:57:42] need that yeah any other question
[1:57:45] regarding sign maintainance seeing now
[1:57:48] we'll move into the next page and uity
[1:57:51] sorry I'm sorry go ahead what is
[1:57:55] the oh okay nope I changed my mind I
[1:57:58] don't have that question
[1:57:59] anymore
[1:58:02] traffic utility traffics traffic traffic
[1:58:06] so bline workers assisting with we have
[1:58:08] our Smart City initiative uring any
[1:58:10] conduit that we have that we own is uh
[1:58:13] Incorporated properly into the system
[1:58:15] and protected and marked properly um
[1:58:18] tend the street lights signals um
[1:58:21] anything that we
[1:58:22] really line worker crew
[1:58:26] willine and with the supervisor line
[1:58:29] worker uh similar to the supervising
[1:58:32] sign maintenance worker uh getting with
[1:58:35] me and making sure that day to day is um
[1:58:38] optimally used and touching b on certain
[1:58:41] things that may arise and uh making sure
[1:58:44] we handle those things properly
[1:58:49] quickly there's a on the traffic there's
[1:58:51] a bump in on you leave Ferrari can you
[1:58:55] help with
[1:58:59] that EXC one of the supervisors going to
[1:59:02] be reti next year we want to prepare for
[1:59:05] okay got
[1:59:07] you go ahead please I would say these
[1:59:10] are conversations that continu from last
[1:59:11] year with continuing to fund positions
[1:59:13] with ar Club funding are can you speak
[1:59:16] to just the need to this position not
[1:59:18] that it's addressed this year but for
[1:59:20] next year when the ARA dollars are going
[1:59:21] to be
[1:59:23] nonexistent is this a position you could
[1:59:25] reabsorb in a different manner or is
[1:59:27] this a position that can be without
[1:59:29] better words just eliminated so no I'm
[1:59:32] always looking for different
[1:59:33] opportunities to find funding EV charger
[1:59:36] funding is one to highlight in
[1:59:37] particular that I'm actually looking to
[1:59:40] get a hand over from tdon um probably
[1:59:42] later this month but that I would look
[1:59:46] to see as being a possible replacement
[1:59:49] if you will probably not going to be the
[1:59:50] same effect but um already have my eyes
[1:59:53] set on that thank
[1:59:56] you any other questions on this if I I
[2:00:02] do on traffic equipment um aa3311
[2:00:07] $220,000 um I wasn't sure um exactly
[2:00:11] what was under traffic equipment so I do
[2:00:13] need to know that but then my followup
[2:00:16] is depending on what that answer is um
[2:00:18] will this um be enough money if we are
[2:00:22] um making any changes um on any of our
[2:00:25] traffic caling um measures um will we
[2:00:29] need to have more money there I don't
[2:00:31] think with the traffic calming measure
[2:00:33] that that would um be impacted by this
[2:00:35] so what what I intend to use that money
[2:00:38] for is for controllers uh that go within
[2:00:40] our traffic cabinets I can get about
[2:00:41] four with that amount um so to answer
[2:00:45] your question no that that wouldn't
[2:00:46] really affect it but that's it's very
[2:00:49] useful for if we have a new intersection
[2:00:52] want to revamp our equipment it will
[2:00:53] list a short list of a couple that
[2:00:56] probably seek some revamping so that'll
[2:00:58] be what that Mone will most likely get
[2:01:00] out okay great thank you very
[2:01:03] much any other questions go ahead so can
[2:01:06] I just go I'm sorry can I go back to um
[2:01:09] just I'm just I want to be clear about
[2:01:11] under under a
[2:01:13] 3310 signment for there three painters
[2:01:16] I'm sorry this on page 2 there's three
[2:01:20] painters Cor one's vacant right what's
[2:01:23] that is there one vacant position well
[2:01:26] it's a parttime so it's like two
[2:01:28] painters and then we have a third that's
[2:01:31] U I'm sorry he's a the sign
[2:01:34] name page here it's page 24 what what's
[2:01:38] it number a it is um 83310 yep and then
[2:01:43] 110 so yes that would
[2:01:46] be the two painters and then the one
[2:01:49] that we have a guy that's parttime that
[2:01:51] can do multitude of things that we kind
[2:01:53] of use in that that third position and
[2:01:56] what what the percentage of
[2:01:59] incre is what's the percent increase for
[2:02:02] those
[2:02:04] salers they have their own Union so it's
[2:02:07] we didn't approve their uh contract
[2:02:09] excuse me did we not approve their um
[2:02:11] their contract yes so this will be
[2:02:14] contractual increase yeah
[2:02:17] okay yes all right
[2:02:22] any other
[2:02:23] questions if not we'll move to
[2:02:26] [Music]
[2:02:29] page I want to mention Capital yeah I'm
[2:02:32] yeah page
[2:02:36] [Music]
[2:02:41] 39 just the yeah oh
[2:02:45] boy uh Power gas light power gas and the
[2:02:50] Smart City National gri payment there um
[2:02:53] 402 ban will be able to touch on more I
[2:02:56] believe that's more to do with
[2:02:58] software and then repairs kind of is
[2:03:01] kind of speaks for itself street light
[2:03:03] Parts what we may
[2:03:06] need so we'll hear about that on
[2:03:08] Friday uh 402 will be to expand on
[2:03:14] more B one will be able to
[2:03:18] expend okay am I missing any another
[2:03:22] department I got just uh vehicle No Cap
[2:03:27] can I just ask this I know that one
[2:03:29] expand administrative expense so we have
[2:03:32] no numbers in here it's
[2:03:35] just
[2:03:37] isay has to do with Smart City expens so software Mr Ferrari can we have a
[2:03:42] breakdown because it's software and it's
[2:03:45] smart city
[2:03:46] and Friday it break down yeah he has it
[2:03:51] so I just said it's administrative so
[2:03:53] isn't that individuals as opposed to you
[2:03:55] because we're talking about um parts and things like that but this is
[2:03:59] Administrative so these people that
[2:04:01] we're talking about this is where we've
[2:04:03] been spending the uh what's that called
[2:04:06] the internet
[2:04:09] money as administ expens
[2:04:15] forof uh in relation to the Smart City
[2:04:19] stuff so I just going to ask back the
[2:04:22] same question can can you have one email
[2:04:25] that to us prior to Friday so we have an idea breakdown that down we
[2:04:31] don't come here and we just have a load
[2:04:32] of
[2:04:35] question I know yeah you should have a
[2:04:38] breakdown because 710 we have to arrive
[2:04:41] at
[2:04:46] numbers um any other question if not
[2:04:48] we'll go into
[2:04:50] Capital um Capal Ono Capital you got one
[2:04:55] utility and traffic signal replacement
[2:05:00] 250,000 thank you servers that's for the
[2:05:04] also so the utility truck one and the
[2:05:07] traffic signal
[2:05:09] replacement those are the only two items
[2:05:11] for um right
[2:05:18] [Music]
[2:05:23] any
[2:05:27] questions just want to give us an
[2:05:29] overview like what's happening what's
[2:05:31] new Department things we need to know
[2:05:33] abolutely
[2:05:35] I'll allude to the first thing actually
[2:05:38] first change I made in the city at
[2:05:40] Wendell Union in rugby did a change most
[2:05:43] of you probably are aware uh did a
[2:05:45] change signage over um it's going to be
[2:05:48] stried here shortly some feedback from
[2:05:51] the residents to uh improve sight
[2:05:54] distance as well so just making sure
[2:05:56] that um drivers coming from the KN
[2:05:59] Street side of wend uh you have enough
[2:06:01] time to see someone speeding by which
[2:06:03] we're trying to mitigate but uh does
[2:06:06] happen so we're working with that uh
[2:06:08] Corridor there uh the Smart City
[2:06:10] initiatives is another that's just
[2:06:12] ongoing um we actually are installing a
[2:06:15] myo Vision system tomorrow tomorrow
[2:06:17] morning uh over at eie Union and eie and
[2:06:20] Liberty um that would
[2:06:23] be the expanse of our uh Mion system is
[2:06:27] going to be it's going to be added a
[2:06:29] couple more there and then this will
[2:06:31] give me that much more data to then um
[2:06:36] either whether I'm doing track of coming
[2:06:38] or trying to provide data to the council
[2:06:41] uh to get back or I want to work with
[2:06:42] the mayor on something an initiative uh
[2:06:45] that in tandem with um where I got my
[2:06:48] speed data which is ubiquia I don't I'm
[2:06:51] sure anyone knows kind of that company
[2:06:54] in charge of the smart nodes throughout
[2:06:55] the city so with myo vision and ubiquia
[2:06:59] working together and me identifying
[2:07:02] where I need to kind of focus and and
[2:07:04] spend my time and correlate data that
[2:07:06] would be um beneficial for the path
[2:07:09] forward and whatever case you see to
[2:07:11] tackle we are expanding our equipment to
[2:07:14] the point where that tax is
[2:07:17] not so sight to me to be able to have
[2:07:20] enough under my belt to be able to uh
[2:07:24] that and take it
[2:07:28] AP go ahead
[2:07:30] please that a turn signal
[2:07:34] on excuse
[2:07:36] meior there we go I was focused on the
[2:07:38] my vision but yes we're getting a left
[2:07:40] turn signal as well on to you from Erie all right under the um uh
[2:07:47] under the understanding that it'll be as
[2:07:48] far as pedestrians everyone will have a
[2:07:51] walk or no walk so there won't be any so
[2:07:54] people will be able to cross
[2:07:56] appropriately correct so my more signal
[2:08:00] nobody
[2:08:01] walk mod is more for drivers and it kind
[2:08:04] of f sense um when a driver is queued up
[2:08:08] and then that will allow it can
[2:08:10] incorporate with the uh pedestrian sign
[2:08:13] yes but uh thank you that was not more
[2:08:18] time don't be missing anything we need
[2:08:21] could he everything all the good
[2:08:23] things um I'm working with the son um to
[2:08:27] in the different neighborhoods there to
[2:08:29] improve pedestrian safety I already
[2:08:32] started on Upper Union Street moving on
[2:08:34] to bana and Boose Hill so um just really
[2:08:38] trying to hear as many as many people as
[2:08:42] I can out without you know getting lost
[2:08:44] in the noise so you know it's easy on
[2:08:47] see click fix with a lot of the
[2:08:49] different voices you hear there but um
[2:08:51] just trying to make sure that I don't I
[2:08:52] don't bury the lead so they going a
[2:08:55] change so I just would like to add one
[2:08:57] thing about if we're talking about P
[2:08:59] stre safety and I asked for this several
[2:09:01] years ago when they actually built the
[2:09:03] new library well some old new but the BN
[2:09:05] Branch library on State Street they also
[2:09:08] built us a family do um the crosswalks
[2:09:11] are quite a ways away and I see people
[2:09:13] on a regular basis Crossing like they
[2:09:15] just go across the street and then go
[2:09:17] straight back um and I know that we have
[2:09:19] crosswalks in other places in the city
[2:09:21] that you it's a pedestrian crossb people
[2:09:23] have to stop Etc so I recommend and and
[2:09:26] I would certainly advocate for that
[2:09:28] because there's a lot of elderly people
[2:09:29] there there's a lot of pedestrian
[2:09:31] traffic in that neighborhood and people
[2:09:33] are crossing with their children so um
[2:09:35] it was you know so we're talking about
[2:09:37] pedestrian
[2:09:40] safety is that haulk street Mar hul
[2:09:45] yes CDTA are also uh revamping going
[2:09:49] down State Street um the traffic signals
[2:09:52] and pedestrian signals allowing for
[2:09:54] better bus travel um and we're going to
[2:09:57] have in addition to our our sign so
[2:10:01] vamping all around uh we just had a
[2:10:04] meeting today and Brian's you know
[2:10:07] introduced them to CDTA in context there
[2:10:09] that's great the State Street is uh
[2:10:12] cta's number one travel Corridor it is
[2:10:15] their number one line which is called
[2:10:17] the red line and the CDTA is working
[2:10:19] with the city we had all Department meeting you had police fire
[2:10:23] ogs everyone today with the CDTA and the
[2:10:26] CTA is doing the looking at the entire
[2:10:29] Corridor so they're going to be making
[2:10:31] some signal improvements that Brian just
[2:10:32] mentioned and then almost all the
[2:10:34] signalized intersections are going to be
[2:10:36] doing ramps and crosswalks so what we
[2:10:39] will do is make sure that the ramps and
[2:10:42] crosswalks that you were talking about
[2:10:43] in that area try to get folded in to
[2:10:45] their project because their Project's
[2:10:47] being paid with uh Federal a money
[2:10:50] through a separate the city doesn't have
[2:10:52] to so it's a it's a really boom to the
[2:10:54] city Bri you want to say what they're
[2:10:56] upgrading their signals to the program
[2:10:58] what's that they're upgrading all their
[2:11:00] main signals to this program correct y
[2:11:02] so we're going to be able to get
[2:11:05] information and data that we don't have
[2:11:06] and it's going to be paid for by the
[2:11:09] transit authority but yeah I know we be
[2:11:11] a Coke about that we will put it on the
[2:11:13] list because they're doing more than
[2:11:15] even we thought they were doing because
[2:11:17] I thought they were only focused on
[2:11:19] signalized intersections but actually
[2:11:21] looking at almost all of the
[2:11:23] intersections as it goes up the great
[2:11:26] thank
[2:11:28] you any other
[2:11:31] question again we're not missing
[2:11:33] anything those are all good things that
[2:11:34] happening yes that's everything thank
[2:11:38] you so much thank you for all what
[2:11:39] you're
[2:11:40] doing thank you all have a good
[2:11:44] even we will go into Cotes are you
[2:11:48] ready you want to give your time up to
[2:11:51] someone
[2:11:56] [Music]
[2:12:01] yes so the post Department
[2:12:05] 8664
[2:12:06] tion increased by
[2:12:08] 3.0% thank
[2:12:11] you to the zoning officer going back to
[2:12:15] the dev
[2:12:18] dep so Fran just walk us uh through
[2:12:21] anything that will be on this the
[2:12:24] admin changes anything you need to
[2:12:26] address with us and then we'll go ask
[2:12:27] you to question and then we'll ask you
[2:12:29] go into tell us what's happening in your
[2:12:31] department yeah Staffing uh you have
[2:12:34] three vacant positions for uh code
[2:12:37] enforcement officers that we are looking
[2:12:41] fill you know we want to be fully
[2:12:43] staffed so we can accomplish our goals
[2:12:46] there in the F in our department um we
[2:12:50] also have we're eliminating we're
[2:12:53] proposing to eliminate a u the clerical
[2:12:57] Aid
[2:12:58] position which is the most entry level
[2:13:01] of um administrative staff and uh
[2:13:05] picking up one ips3
[2:13:08] position so uh yeah other than that
[2:13:11] we're fully staffed those four positions
[2:13:14] are you changes that are going
[2:13:16] on um Staffing that's where we're at
[2:13:24] go ahead please sorry so um so you're so
[2:13:27] the position that so these are both
[2:13:29] filled positions at this point in time
[2:13:31] I'm sorry these positions are both
[2:13:33] currently both
[2:13:35] filled the
[2:13:37] uh the a the aid position is filled uhuh
[2:13:41] um we're going to we're going to
[2:13:42] eliminate that position and we're going
[2:13:45] to pick up we're proposing to pick up an
[2:13:47] ips3 position in place of that which
[2:13:49] gives you two ips3 are there current is
[2:13:52] there currently one ips3 there is yes
[2:13:55] so
[2:13:57] what is this like a tested position and
[2:14:00] how does that impact the employee in the
[2:14:01] position it's competitive um I'm going
[2:14:04] to I'm going to recommend that we
[2:14:08] um put our clerical Aid into that ips3
[2:14:12] appoint we're going to appoint her to
[2:14:14] that until the test comes up that that's
[2:14:18] I that's where I'm leaning right now
[2:14:21] um
[2:14:22] so there's no current list then right
[2:14:24] now excuse me there is no current I
[2:14:28] expect that list to be depleted by the
[2:14:30] time it comes around to to that in 20 by the time uh it comes around to a
[2:14:36] point to that position I I don't think
[2:14:38] there will be a list from what I seen
[2:14:41] there's currently an ips4 little
[2:14:43] correction on Roberta is still with the
[2:14:46] city ips4 we put in an
[2:14:49] ips3 uh to better retain administrative
[2:14:53] staff it seemed like when we were at at
[2:14:55] the lower clerical positions we're
[2:14:57] having a higher turnover in Code
[2:14:59] Enforcement so to uh retain better admin
[2:15:04] staff instead of retraining uh new staff
[2:15:07] that's the reason we're putting an ips3
[2:15:09] in if the list is out now well we do and
[2:15:14] not a huge correction correction on
[2:15:16] correction um we do we do have an ips3
[2:15:20] filled as we speak right now so she's
[2:15:22] out on maternity leave but she will be
[2:15:24] back next week so that's that's
[2:15:26] Christina yeah
[2:15:29] so there is
[2:15:33] aent
[2:15:36] weeks they're they're being released to
[2:15:38] the Departments now uh top three at a
[2:15:42] time I
[2:15:43] believe we're currently going through a
[2:15:45] couple of those people on that list are
[2:15:49] currently employed with the city
[2:15:53] so so there's a list there is a list
[2:15:57] we're clear about that and the
[2:15:59] individual that we're talking about
[2:16:01] that's clerical Aid is not on that list
[2:16:04] so that person could conceivably someone
[2:16:06] else could conceivably say I want this
[2:16:08] job and then that person is then out of
[2:16:09] the job am I correct in
[2:16:12] that yes you're correct um yeah you're
[2:16:15] correct but I these these changes so I'm
[2:16:18] new here so correct me if I'm wrong but
[2:16:21] these changes are going to happen in
[2:16:22] 2025
[2:16:24] correct as long as you're accepted and
[2:16:27] we move forward with them so uh from
[2:16:29] what I understand um there's a few ips3
[2:16:34] positions being filled throughout the
[2:16:36] city M there is and um so hopefully yeah
[2:16:41] so uh you know I think this I'm pretty
[2:16:45] sure I'm pretty confident that there
[2:16:47] won't be a list anymore it'll be
[2:16:49] depleted if there is a list have to
[2:16:51] follow service
[2:16:52] law that's essentially my
[2:16:54] question understood I I think the point
[2:16:57] he's making is we do have somebody in
[2:16:59] the the clerical Aid position who is a
[2:17:01] very good staff that if she fits the
[2:17:04] bill when it comes around there's an
[2:17:07] opportunity to fill that position he'd
[2:17:09] like to put her in that position
[2:17:10] absolutely so of course I understand
[2:17:12] that we need to H off the list if there
[2:17:15] is of course um so let me rephrase so if
[2:17:20] there is a list at the time when it
[2:17:22] comes time to fill that position of
[2:17:24] course I'll hire off the list and yes it
[2:17:26] will that means this person would have
[2:17:28] been current city employee would then
[2:17:30] not be a city employee anymore because
[2:17:32] you would have to or yeah You' have
[2:17:34] they'd have to be like oh because you've
[2:17:35] gotten rid of their position and they
[2:17:37] not on the
[2:17:40] list okay I just wanted to be clear
[2:17:42] that's that that's a clear
[2:17:45] possibility
[2:17:47] understood I don't think we would put
[2:17:49] anybody in the position of potentially
[2:17:52] losing their job if there was a list we
[2:17:54] wouldn't hire that person and and
[2:17:57] transfer to that he me there was a list
[2:17:59] so no no there is a list that's correct
[2:18:02] right but most of the jobs would be I
[2:18:05] think he would his his point was he that
[2:18:08] we have a really great admin in in the
[2:18:11] staff he's putting his hopes out there
[2:18:14] to have that person in that position if
[2:18:16] it is
[2:18:17] available following Civil Service law
[2:18:20] right and if it's not available if it's
[2:18:22] not available it's not
[2:18:26] available option have come back to coun
[2:18:29] make make that job
[2:18:31] into that's
[2:18:34] right just want to be clear that that's
[2:18:36] a possibility understood it's I've
[2:18:38] understood that possibility all along
[2:18:40] and I support what we're proposing
[2:18:43] here because sometimes we make those
[2:18:45] changes if not necessarily to our
[2:18:46] advantage so the so tell me the
[2:18:48] difference of the duties between the
[2:18:49] clinical a and IPS the ne why you feel
[2:18:52] it's necessary to um to that person that
[2:18:56] position yeah so we' got some
[2:18:58] discussions about this and I might lean
[2:19:00] on Chris a little bit but um just the entry level duties of the clerical
[2:19:07] Aid
[2:19:08] position um I don't believe they fit our
[2:19:12] department we need some uh more uh more
[2:19:17] skilled duties out of that position
[2:19:21] um you know answering the phones just
[2:19:23] not cutting it and it's not much Beyond
[2:19:27] answering the phones for that claric Aid
[2:19:29] position um so we want somebody that can
[2:19:32] have a little more
[2:19:35] um yeah the
[2:19:37] job you're looking for it it does thank
[2:19:40] you thanks yeah so with the municity and
[2:19:44] software systems that a lot of the data
[2:19:47] entry is electronic so entry to those
[2:19:50] systems
[2:19:51] uh you know and the qualification a
[2:19:53] person would be at that IPS level could
[2:19:55] be at an IPS 2 but I feel that the ips3
[2:19:58] is a better fit for the city
[2:20:03] agree so but you but you still but you
[2:20:06] still say that if there's an opening you
[2:20:08] would appoint that person until it
[2:20:09] provisionally is that what you're
[2:20:11] saying if there's an opening in the list
[2:20:13] is already depleted Etc correct yeah and
[2:20:16] I I think it I think it totally makes
[2:20:19] sense the way okay uh being aware of
[2:20:23] what is what the list looks
[2:20:26] like uh I think my explanation of that
[2:20:30] fits perfectly um and knowing what's
[2:20:33] going on in the city uh and how many
[2:20:36] ips3 positions are needing to be filled
[2:20:40] um I I I think it's pretty accurate it's
[2:20:43] always good to have in City uh somewhere
[2:20:47] for somebody to move up and Achieve you
[2:20:49] know and I guess three you know they
[2:20:51] start as clar FL they they feel a good
[2:20:54] fit they've been here quite a while uh
[2:20:56] the ips3 you know is is a more of a
[2:20:59] promotional fit for for a person do have
[2:21:02] an ips4 in your department um you know
[2:21:05] and that could grow in the future
[2:21:11] too any other question this all ran so
[2:21:16] just kind of walk us through what's
[2:21:18] happening in your department since you
[2:21:19] took what's
[2:21:21] new what's uh what we need to hear or
[2:21:23] what we tell us so things are going good
[2:21:26] in the department um we are working
[2:21:31] on we're working on developing our
[2:21:33] structure our our leadership structure
[2:21:36] so on a management level and we recently
[2:21:39] filled the supervisor position and uh so
[2:21:43] we're developing that hierarchy or that
[2:21:46] uh leaders there leadership roles and
[2:21:49] we're defining our our our positions and
[2:21:52] uh so that's work in progress and it's
[2:21:54] going well uh we're jelling well as a
[2:21:57] team um things are going good we were
[2:22:00] short staff uh on a on a scary level uh
[2:22:05] being new and seeing that um it was it
[2:22:08] was was a little scary for me but we
[2:22:10] we've come back up a little bit um EVs
[2:22:13] and flows we're going through and um
[2:22:15] things are going well there um Staffing
[2:22:18] is better I still want to fill the
[2:22:20] vacant positions and it's a priority for
[2:22:23] me so we can be more thorough in
[2:22:26] our inspections our follow-ups we're not
[2:22:29] rushing through things we are um you
[2:22:32] know capturing the revenue following up
[2:22:35] properly on violations and um seeing
[2:22:39] things do properly so um you know being
[2:22:42] well staffed all supports my goals there
[2:22:47] um so you know that being said um you
[2:22:51] know developing our structure and um
[2:22:54] developing consistency in the department
[2:22:57] um you know constant yeah constant work
[2:23:00] um uh in staff meetings to reiterate um
[2:23:04] you know policies and procedures and um
[2:23:08] you know so working on that consistency
[2:23:12] so you know being brand new in this
[2:23:13] position it's say um it's it's it's
[2:23:17] development and learning internally for
[2:23:20] myself and my team and U there's been a level of of acceptance that I've seen
[2:23:26] recently that is beautiful um you know
[2:23:28] there's I think everything is natural
[2:23:30] that I've experienced so far here you
[2:23:32] know at first I I felt some resistance
[2:23:35] our our our Department's very Dynamic so
[2:23:38] all the stuff I'm speaking of um it is
[2:23:41] you know is fitting so um you know when
[2:23:44] I say it's Dynamic it's dynamic in what
[2:23:46] we do and it's Dynamic with
[2:23:49] personalities um there's so um you know
[2:23:53] some of the things that I've experienced
[2:23:55] are are wonderful and um you know some
[2:23:58] resistance early on but it's developed
[2:24:00] into acceptance and uh some really um
[2:24:03] good um you know working together as a
[2:24:07] team and it's developing well and U you
[2:24:09] know that's what's going on in the
[2:24:11] department um I have goals and visions
[2:24:14] that are um just very preliminary and uh
[2:24:19] you know in the infancy stage but um
[2:24:23] being worked out being thought about and
[2:24:26] um you know so I I look forward to uh
[2:24:30] growing with the department and growing
[2:24:32] in this position and um I'm happy in the
[2:24:35] position and I I I I I feel I'm doing a
[2:24:38] decent job there's a lot to learn um
[2:24:42] Deputy Commissioner told me it was going
[2:24:43] to be two years before I'm in this
[2:24:45] position very well and I said I said I
[2:24:47] don't think so I think I'm going to
[2:24:49] shorten that but you know I I think you
[2:24:51] might been spot on it might be two years
[2:24:53] but I'm still looking to uh know this
[2:24:56] position inside and now uh quicker than
[2:24:59] that you know that's what's going on in
[2:25:01] the department it's exciting it's
[2:25:03] Dynamic there's a lot going on uh you
[2:25:05] know we we heard Alexandria talk about
[2:25:08] the uh the Dynamics of her department
[2:25:12] and and and the big umbrella that it's
[2:25:14] on Earth and it's very similar in code
[2:25:16] enforcement code enforcement envelopes a
[2:25:20] um a number of departments and uh you
[2:25:24] know there's a lot to handle there I
[2:25:27] look forward to uh tackling
[2:25:30] it it well yeah you know I'm going to
[2:25:34] ask you this question because I ask um
[2:25:36] Miss Caro when you took over you made um
[2:25:39] several changes in terms of the policy
[2:25:42] that was not in um in complies and you
[2:25:45] had to undo them because there were so
[2:25:47] much concerns can you address those uh
[2:25:51] where are we today in terms of what
[2:25:53] happened several months ago in terms of
[2:25:54] the problem that we were having when
[2:25:56] there were several meetings with the
[2:25:57] mayor in terms of addressing is you had
[2:25:59] to you had to walk back some of them
[2:26:02] where are we today it at so uh let's be
[2:26:05] clear um I put one policy in place that
[2:26:08] wasn't there before me um it's still in
[2:26:10] place um and it's going to remain in
[2:26:13] place it's a great policy um it did it
[2:26:16] did um
[2:26:18] break it did break uh um I I broke
[2:26:24] something sometimes you got to break
[2:26:26] something to fix it it was broken
[2:26:28] accidentally it was something I was
[2:26:29] unaware of so my policy I put into place
[2:26:32] which was a pre-approval process so um a
[2:26:36] pre-approval process a formal policy
[2:26:39] that I put in place the only one I'd
[2:26:41] like to be clear on that um and this is
[2:26:44] where the officers do their um review
[2:26:48] and they do their um
[2:26:50] they do their work on an application
[2:26:53] before it turns into a permit and then
[2:26:56] they bring it to me and we go over it
[2:26:58] one onone and uh before it gets moved
[2:27:01] along to the permitting process so
[2:27:04] before a formal approval goes into place
[2:27:06] and a permit is issued we have a
[2:27:08] one-on-one and U about you know and the
[2:27:12] projects are they vary great and you
[2:27:15] know we could have Windows and
[2:27:17] Doors we can have a major addition
[2:27:19] outside and everything in between um so
[2:27:22] you know these conversations can be a
[2:27:24] two minute productive conversation about
[2:27:26] a job and they could be more of an
[2:27:29] in-depth 10-minute meeting and um it's
[2:27:31] just going developing consistency making
[2:27:35] sure their job is done thoroughly uh
[2:27:37] making sure the review process is done
[2:27:40] thoroughly making sure um plans that
[2:27:44] being uh plans that are needed
[2:27:47] internally plot plans and uh
[2:27:51] you know that go to other departments or
[2:27:53] whether they be blueprints that relate
[2:27:55] directly to the project making sure that
[2:27:58] is uh
[2:28:00] there's um the necessary level is coming
[2:28:04] in so for instance if they hand John
[2:28:06] plans or if stamp plans are required um
[2:28:10] you know
[2:28:11] because uh to be quite honest with you
[2:28:14] there uh is was there was a level of
[2:28:18] incomp there's still a level of incomp
[2:28:20] competency and maybe it's not maybe it's
[2:28:22] a poor choice of words but um there's
[2:28:24] some training that need to be done and
[2:28:27] um you know this was a training tool it
[2:28:30] it's it's still it's out of my hands U
[2:28:32] it's in my supervisor's hands it's
[2:28:35] pre-approval process that is spelled out
[2:28:37] um it's it's it's a wonderful process it
[2:28:40] is developing um uh consistency and um
[2:28:46] that's the only process that's the only
[2:28:48] official policy uh that doesn't have to
[2:28:50] do with attendance or uh anything like
[2:28:54] that anything that has to do with the
[2:28:55] building department is the only policy
[2:28:56] that I put into place and I haven't
[2:28:58] backed I haven't walked it back I won't
[2:29:00] walk it back um
[2:29:03] until when I do walk it back um it it'll
[2:29:07] be only because we have a great level of
[2:29:12] consistency among our officers and it
[2:29:14] will still be in place for any new hires
[2:29:16] that we have until they're up to speed
[2:29:18] so that's can
[2:29:20] okay can you address the terms of the U
[2:29:23] the stamp drawing in terms of what's in
[2:29:26] our code versus what you are asking for
[2:29:28] when you took over I think um Chris can
[2:29:31] help you with this too because he okay I
[2:29:32] don't need any help well maybe I do yeah
[2:29:42] [Music]
[2:29:47] you it's just a summary I would just say
[2:29:50] that any policies or procedures that was
[2:29:53] put into place was put in for the
[2:29:55] protection of the
[2:29:56] city um City departments uh and and uh
[2:30:01] you know with development engineering
[2:30:04] and code enforcement with the uh lack of
[2:30:09] experience that our code enforcement
[2:30:10] department has uh we don't want to have
[2:30:13] any erors so I think having oversight at
[2:30:17] a higher level was needed uh to to
[2:30:21] protect this and the officers for that
[2:30:23] matter they carry a a high level of
[2:30:27] liability so so I just want to so what
[2:30:30] are we doing currently in terms of um
[2:30:33] the stem drawing are we require stem
[2:30:35] drawing for a minor repair on a front
[2:30:37] porch Back Porch or are we going to the
[2:30:39] city core where it says require stamp
[2:30:41] drawing for $20,000 plus so we we follow
[2:30:45] the state regulations and the rules that
[2:30:47] are applied there um so any project that
[2:30:51] is U over is it $25,000 20,000
[2:30:56] $20,000 or is a state mandated yeah it
[2:30:59] is State
[2:31:01] mandated and that's nothing that we put
[2:31:03] in place uh currently for uh the CI it's
[2:31:07] just uh following the rules that are
[2:31:09] applied to us um so we we do require
[2:31:14] that and that's just uh to uh satisfy
[2:31:17] the needs of the state so let me recap
[2:31:19] so so any any work that's cost a work
[2:31:22] over
[2:31:24] $225,000 20,000 requires that drawing
[2:31:27] anything below that does not require is
[2:31:29] time
[2:31:31] drawing well um if it involves
[2:31:34] structural Integrity okay okay that is
[2:31:39] at the Judgment of the authority so and
[2:31:45] I I with the level of experience that I
[2:31:49] have that I ring um I I feel um I I I
[2:31:54] have a
[2:31:56] um a perfect
[2:32:00] um the point I'm trying to get at is do
[2:32:03] we need to revise City CH to put that in
[2:32:06] because it doesn't spell out it says
[2:32:08] anything over 20 $20,000 should we
[2:32:10] revisit that and kind of address it and
[2:32:14] broaden the scope in terms of if is
[2:32:16] structural yes you require so what the code allows us to do is
[2:32:21] anything more stringent than what the
[2:32:23] state requires but anything less
[2:32:25] stringent would would not be
[2:32:29] accepted okay let me just go on come
[2:32:32] back please oh so can I'd like to
[2:32:35] suggest this because it sounds like this
[2:32:36] really needs to be more in-depth
[2:32:38] conversation so we like Mr M and I get
[2:32:41] bring them in at a committee meeting and
[2:32:43] really go over all of the stuff because
[2:32:44] it sounds like a lot um and because I
[2:32:48] have some questions about the one one
[2:32:50] but I'm not going to delve into that
[2:32:51] because it sounds to me inservice
[2:32:53] training would be the route but that's a
[2:32:54] different day for different conversation
[2:32:56] but I do want to ask about you said that
[2:32:58] you have three Code enfor Enforcement
[2:33:01] Officers vacancies and I see them on
[2:33:04] here under the Aral line yes there's uh
[2:33:08] 12 and you have nine you have 12 for 20
[2:33:11] 25 and you have nine u currently working
[2:33:14] correct yes yeah so these these that
[2:33:18] these proposed fills for 2025 out of
[2:33:20] arpa funds that two out out of two so
[2:33:23] two of them so once the arpa money goes
[2:33:25] away what happens to those positions and
[2:33:27] then also the same question for the code
[2:33:29] enforcement
[2:33:33] supervisor I yeah no I I I need some help on that
[2:33:38] topic very U that's a it's a budgetary
[2:33:43] thing need historically prior to um
[2:33:50] having arpa funds the supervisor was in
[2:33:52] there I think we've worked uh very hard
[2:33:55] to get the positions that uh code
[2:33:57] enforcement needs in there they
[2:34:00] currently funded through barpa I would
[2:34:03] hate to see us go backwards on uh losing
[2:34:06] code enforcement positions after all the
[2:34:08] work that and I appreciate all the the hard work of the council to to give
[2:34:13] us those position so I I believe they're
[2:34:15] funded for that but um in the future
[2:34:19] we're going to have to find a way to
[2:34:20] either fund that or lose those positions
[2:34:23] I just want to be clear that it is in
[2:34:25] there for arpa and arpa's going to go
[2:34:26] away and so what are we going to do then
[2:34:29] that's not a conversation for me that
[2:34:30] ends that starts when it goes away it's
[2:34:33] a conversation that starts now and I
[2:34:35] think this is a conversation we had um
[2:34:38] with with uh Mr M with uh you know
[2:34:41] raising the fees and and meeting with uh the Council on uh looking at the
[2:34:46] building department fees and how to be
[2:34:48] sustainable and the level that where
[2:34:50] you're currently
[2:34:52] staff go ahead please sorry
[2:34:55] I um I think this is a large discussion
[2:34:58] anyway because anything that's blue
[2:35:00] lined my understanding is that anything
[2:35:01] that's blue lined in this budget is arer
[2:35:03] funded
[2:35:05] exactly right so it's not just uh these
[2:35:08] guys in this department but a large
[2:35:10] discussion in terms of like I want to
[2:35:12] know in their Department do yeah we're
[2:35:15] going to
[2:35:18] beg he got a swing sounds
[2:35:22] like No And um I think that's that's the
[2:35:24] reason why we started last year budget
[2:35:26] into this year to kind of look at the
[2:35:28] fees and we are at that point looking at
[2:35:29] fees I'm sorry I missed it I had person
[2:35:32] here but um I'm going to follow make
[2:35:35] sure that we uh move forward with that
[2:35:36] and get public hearing and address it
[2:35:39] and if there's any tweak that we need to
[2:35:40] do we'll tweak and move forward it's a step in the right direction to
[2:35:44] bring in some additional revenue and
[2:35:46] we'll address these um these position as
[2:35:50] we go forward in the
[2:35:52] budget any other
[2:35:56] question I have one
[2:35:58] more since you know talking about permit
[2:36:01] um can you just elaborate and I know
[2:36:03] Chris and I work on this in terms and
[2:36:05] the council's very supportive of this
[2:36:07] the uh permit fee waiver period I know
[2:36:10] you're not a big fan of it but something
[2:36:11] that the council wanted the May wanted
[2:36:14] many many years ago and the reason why
[2:36:16] we did it is because we going out in the
[2:36:18] community the neighborhood association
[2:36:20] they wanted us what are we giv back to
[2:36:21] the community we want to revitalize our
[2:36:23] neighborhood our property what is the
[2:36:26] city giv back so we came up with this
[2:36:27] idea many many years ago and he says
[2:36:30] okay let's get back something so we wait
[2:36:32] to perit for the last 3 months and we
[2:36:35] had some good work with Chris and his
[2:36:38] team back in time and we achieved 27
[2:36:41] $30,000 within that given period and you
[2:36:44] know yes it's a l to the city in terms
[2:36:46] of Revenue but it's a gain to our need
[2:36:49] what
[2:36:50] so this year I am kind of disappointed
[2:36:53] that we only did
[2:36:55] $133,000 because of perit was taken 6
[2:36:57] weeks and four weeks to get out and
[2:36:59] people were so frustrated and we had a
[2:37:02] conversation with me and back and forth
[2:37:04] going forward because we intend to keep
[2:37:06] this program I would like to see that
[2:37:08] you kind of put something in place next
[2:37:10] year to kind of like work with the
[2:37:12] counil work with our neighborhood to
[2:37:13] kind of like deliver this program to
[2:37:15] help Revitalize and increase property
[2:37:18] value that was our main go this year but
[2:37:21] to see that it was not implemented
[2:37:22] properly this year you know me
[2:37:25] personally I'm disappointed because
[2:37:26] that's something that we work on many
[2:37:27] years yeah well I help you understand
[2:37:29] how new I was and um you know stuff
[2:37:32] coming at me through a fire hose and um
[2:37:34] so that I think when we first met and
[2:37:37] discussed that um it was maybe June 6th
[2:37:41] and I was unaware I was unaware that it
[2:37:44] was even going on um so um it it it came
[2:37:49] quick
[2:37:50] um as a lot has since I've been new this
[2:37:54] position I'll be ready for it next year
[2:37:56] um you know every step of the way is a
[2:37:58] learning process for me and um I'm
[2:38:01] taking it all in I think I'm fitting the
[2:38:03] role nicely and um I'm on board um I I
[2:38:07] didn't point that one bit um I I
[2:38:10] expressed My Views early on and I I you
[2:38:14] know not everything's going to make
[2:38:16] sense when I'm brand new and um so um
[2:38:19] I'm on board I'm on board with that
[2:38:21] process and um you know the uh I know
[2:38:26] you talked about the permits the
[2:38:28] anything that was submitted in that time
[2:38:31] period we were still honoring
[2:38:33] a so I don't know if the uh report
[2:38:36] reflected all of that but it possibly
[2:38:39] was a little higher than what we
[2:38:41] provided to you in the report I I will
[2:38:43] have to look for a report with you Ma
[2:38:45] see if any chart Falls and we'll have to
[2:38:47] address it sure because we talked about
[2:38:49] in previous year when there were some
[2:38:50] missteps that we had to issue refunds
[2:38:53] because if we're given waiver period And
[2:38:55] if we didn't apply the waiver then we
[2:38:58] will have to the right thing to do is to
[2:39:00] refund the person who pulled for you so
[2:39:03] we'll work down the road on that and
[2:39:04] address those concern and I will bring
[2:39:06] it to
[2:39:08] C any other question is there anything
[2:39:10] else that you need to
[2:39:12] address I just say on that point um you
[2:39:15] know one thing I've noticed is is just
[2:39:17] an invite is needed from councel to the
[2:39:20] department head uh when these things are
[2:39:22] happening U just to get him I think
[2:39:25] prim's really new here um you know not
[2:39:29] excuse for making mistakes but um at the
[2:39:32] end it was made but um having him
[2:39:34] involved and giving the feedback um you
[2:39:36] know for things that I saw in my time as
[2:39:39] building inspector that um such as uh
[2:39:43] roofing permits are usually you know uh
[2:39:45] contractors are out there 6 eight you
[2:39:48] know a year they're booking them in
[2:39:50] advance they're charging the people for
[2:39:52] the fees so they're not the people we
[2:39:55] want to have the the deduction are not
[2:39:58] really receiving it it's the people that
[2:39:59] are doing the work anyways so roofers
[2:40:02] are out there that's their time of year
[2:40:05] so I think there's just some things to
[2:40:07] think about um the way we we we go about
[2:40:11] um issuing those waivers I think there's
[2:40:13] some great things I've seen you know the
[2:40:16] uh the fences and the exterior uh
[2:40:18] Improvement
[2:40:19] uh the
[2:40:21] porches it's great work out there it is
[2:40:24] and we did talk about that making sure
[2:40:25] that the home only is pulling the
[2:40:26] apartment rather than the contractor so
[2:40:28] we going to address that we go next year
[2:40:29] and I'm glad you brought it up in the
[2:40:31] last several weeks that we
[2:40:34] met any other
[2:40:37] questions seeing none thank you so
[2:40:42] much thanks we will go into gol our gol
[2:40:48] do you want to wait we take
[2:40:51] yeah you're not doing this to
[2:40:54] [Music]
[2:40:55] me I'll be real
[2:40:58] [Music]
[2:41:01] quick we're play
[2:41:05] through thisy serious see now I know
[2:41:08] what that
[2:41:11] means all right so all right so just
[2:41:14] brief brief
[2:41:16] over minute very quick sou CR 7180 CR
[2:41:22] 7185 um special recreation facility
[2:41:25] increased by
[2:41:26] 17.19%
[2:41:28] um and there is no increase in the total
[2:41:31] B pro
[2:41:32] [Music]
[2:41:36] expenses yes sir um I think uh
[2:41:40] commissioner Ferrari also stated that to
[2:41:43] the summary that u f fund budget uh only
[2:41:47] increased by 2.29
[2:41:49] % from the adopted 24 to the proposed
[2:41:53] 2025 budget only
[2:41:59] [Music]
[2:42:02] 3,665 that's it okay mat it's all yours
[2:42:05] and you walk us through anything that
[2:42:07] you need to know and then give us you
[2:42:08] know what's happening after the C SCH
[2:42:12] yeah um definitely the best year we've
[2:42:15] ever enjoyed there this year but you
[2:42:17] know the weather is going be incredible
[2:42:19] compared to last year I
[2:42:21] mean last year was a completely
[2:42:23] different story we were talking about
[2:42:26] rain I think all sudden and done we had
[2:42:28] about 45 rain outs yep in some capacity
[2:42:32] and this year I think we've had about
[2:42:34] three um so we're miles ahead of any
[2:42:38] year that we've ever had up there the
[2:42:40] new irrigation system has been installed
[2:42:42] uh some other things that need to be
[2:42:45] completed but the Bare Bones of it all
[2:42:48] is going to installed and the uh course
[2:42:51] is definitely reaping the benefits of it
[2:42:53] it's the best I've been playing golf in
[2:42:55] there a long time I've never seen the
[2:42:57] course in the condition that it's in
[2:42:59] right now it's just amazing and the
[2:43:01] feedback that we're getting from players
[2:43:03] is as as suchan you played there few
[2:43:08] times you seen it
[2:43:12] just yeah I'm
[2:43:15] just so yeah they have to answer any
[2:43:18] questions that you may have so you talk
[2:43:20] about the golf course the maintenance
[2:43:22] and the work that we did through arpo
[2:43:24] and all that is completed what about the
[2:43:25] golf
[2:43:27] cart pchas some new golf cars you want
[2:43:29] to talk yeah this is the second year of
[2:43:31] pleas yeah how is that going great yeah
[2:43:35] they're uh lium battery CS um they're
[2:43:39] just they're better no question they're
[2:43:41] quieter lighter um you can operate one
[2:43:47] golf cart I Believe on the 54 Vol Char
[2:43:51] you go three rounds on one charge for the lithium battery but they just
[2:43:56] they they're faster they're smoother
[2:43:59] safer yeah I mean everything about them
[2:44:00] is better and uh the feedback we get on
[2:44:03] those has been very
[2:44:06] positive go ahead please um in terms of
[2:44:09] the irrigation system M the it looks
[2:44:13] like we still haven't we just haven't
[2:44:15] outlaid all of that money yet is it is
[2:44:17] it just that there's grow
[2:44:19] still pending in terms of the offer
[2:44:22] funding but we will be using that
[2:44:23] funding we all of we spend that plus
[2:44:26] some yes okay so our money is gone okay
[2:44:30] just wanted to clarify that so the so
[2:44:33] just just to let you know so what we've
[2:44:35] been doing is uh I really think that you
[2:44:37] know it has cost of money and thank you
[2:44:39] for the art funding which was key to
[2:44:40] every um we are really working on
[2:44:44] hardening the golf course and making it
[2:44:47] just really a top facil fac both not
[2:44:50] only not only physically but financially
[2:44:52] and structurally so now that we have the
[2:44:54] new irrigation system we have we are you
[2:44:57] know Cutting Edge we have the system
[2:44:59] that we need um we put in the new water
[2:45:01] line that was part of the aror project
[2:45:03] as well the new water line now is
[2:45:05] providing water to our maintenance
[2:45:08] facility um just to you know go on the
[2:45:10] record our previous superintendent Mike
[2:45:12] cesne was an angel he was a terrific
[2:45:15] person and he put up with a lot he put
[2:45:17] up with porta potties and insufficient
[2:45:19] facilities and the manual irrigation
[2:45:22] system and I will never speak poorly of
[2:45:23] Mike um the new group that we have is
[2:45:26] extremely professional we're paying for
[2:45:29] that professionalism but they are a Next
[2:45:33] Level type of ir na company and because
[2:45:36] of that we are trying to raise all of
[2:45:38] our facilities our infrastructure and
[2:45:40] our game to match um you know Matt was
[2:45:43] the first step when we really wanted to
[2:45:45] change from New Era and having mat there
[2:45:47] really change the
[2:45:49] face of the golf course because Matt is
[2:45:51] the face of the golf course um but this
[2:45:54] is really changing and we're really
[2:45:55] working on changing the bones of the
[2:45:57] golf course the water line we have
[2:45:58] three-phase power now to our maintenance
[2:46:01] facility we have relocated our Pump
[2:46:03] Station from behind the home on Console
[2:46:06] Road to um the maintenance facility
[2:46:09] we've eliminated a garage that was about
[2:46:11] to fall down we're hardening our new
[2:46:13] garage uh with offices break room we
[2:46:16] actually have a bathroom now with water
[2:46:19] we are no longer reliant on a Porton um
[2:46:22] we have a heated space I mean we have
[2:46:24] really made strides to make the course
[2:46:28] um just a more professional environment
[2:46:30] it is really I mean Matt what were they
[2:46:32] call immun now I mean IM mun is conc
[2:46:35] National excellent excellent we we
[2:46:38] really have changed the perception there
[2:46:40] it's taken a long time but it is it is
[2:46:42] coming around um you know we can get
[2:46:46] into the capital part of it but we we
[2:46:48] have other things that like to do um
[2:46:50] with it like you know talking about
[2:46:51] around the clubhouse regards to the
[2:46:53] patio um we don't have any outdoor
[2:46:55] seating we see that as a big hindrance
[2:46:57] to really turning the page because you
[2:46:59] just can't sit out there and view the
[2:47:01] golf course as it is um you know we uh
[2:47:04] as part of the irrigation system we have
[2:47:07] uh we added some extra heads in our area
[2:47:08] we have a s Farm started we didn't have
[2:47:10] a s Farm before so that we can now have
[2:47:13] native grasses if we need to do any kind
[2:47:15] of repairs on the greens we are going to
[2:47:18] be had use our own now oh that's yeah so
[2:47:21] they basically we had three practice
[2:47:23] putting greens at the facility and we
[2:47:26] eliminated one of them cuz we didn't
[2:47:28] need three so we just took the smaller
[2:47:31] one it was located right next to the
[2:47:33] first te and they just taken that s and
[2:47:35] transported it to an area closer to the
[2:47:38] maintenance facility like Chris said so
[2:47:40] that s firm will be used there and uh
[2:47:43] there is an irrigation line there to
[2:47:44] help uh keep it treated and just it's
[2:47:48] just going to be better for them
[2:47:50] definitely uh something every course
[2:47:52] should have that we never did before so
[2:47:55] that's definitely another positive for
[2:47:58] sure and it was absolutely no cost to do
[2:48:01] that it was just labor that we know that
[2:48:05] we're already pay for as it is and we
[2:48:07] will be bringing uh an addition to the
[2:48:09] three- face power which all we're
[2:48:11] waiting on is an inspection so we'll be
[2:48:13] very close to turning that on in the
[2:48:14] next coming days we're putting a
[2:48:16] spectrum cable uh to the clubhouse
[2:48:19] because the new irrigation system will
[2:48:21] be connected to the cloud it'll be able
[2:48:23] to be used on a phone device so that we
[2:48:27] can do that but we really because of
[2:48:28] it's location we really want to have it
[2:48:30] hardwired not uh any kind of a mobile
[2:48:32] device so we're working with a spectrum
[2:48:34] on that something pretty cool too that
[2:48:36] you guys will like um one of the
[2:48:39] features of the new irrigation system it
[2:48:41] has lightning detection built into it um
[2:48:45] each each head basically has a computer
[2:48:48] chip beded embedded into it and so it
[2:48:50] could detect lightning and within a 5
[2:48:53] mile radius so what they did is they put
[2:48:55] these posts with big giant horns all
[2:48:59] around the golf course in the furthest
[2:49:01] point so anything within that radius
[2:49:04] it'll detect it shoot an alarm off and
[2:49:06] alert golers which makes it easier for
[2:49:09] us because it's it's very hard to
[2:49:11] determine whether storms are going to
[2:49:12] hit or not and sometimes you don't know
[2:49:15] until they're right on top of you until
[2:49:17] it's too late so this will be
[2:49:19] good it'll warm the golfers Lightning's
[2:49:23] in the area you might want to come in
[2:49:24] wait till it safely passes and then
[2:49:26] we'll send them out but it's it's pretty
[2:49:27] neat to have that I don't know if any go
[2:49:30] course around that
[2:49:32] does so the the other thing I would draw
[2:49:34] your attention to just because it's
[2:49:36] Unique I guess it's going to be um we
[2:49:39] talking about here you talk about it the
[2:49:41] last line advertising golf advertisement
[2:49:44] so you know we have other than raising
[2:49:47] rates um which we may propose as the
[2:49:50] improvements come we usually come and
[2:49:51] raise rates a dollar here or there we do
[2:49:53] that before the season and we try to
[2:49:55] continually make sure that we're
[2:49:56] competitive we don't propose that until
[2:49:58] we see what our competitors and are are
[2:50:00] doing for the coming year because we
[2:50:02] like to be you know competitive but we
[2:50:04] don't not ever want to be top we are
[2:50:06] meeting course we understand that um but
[2:50:09] you want to talk about who we've signed
[2:50:11] up for our advertising the goal with
[2:50:12] that yes it's one company uh uh the name
[2:50:16] of the business is called obad and so
[2:50:19] basically what they do is they do all
[2:50:20] the work for you they'll go out and get
[2:50:22] the advertising for you um we can sell
[2:50:27] advertising on the GPS screens uh for
[2:50:30] all the T boxes and just various areas
[2:50:33] that we're looking to get that and
[2:50:36] they'll go out and they will actually do
[2:50:37] all the leg work for us which is pretty
[2:50:40] nice because it's not an easy thing to
[2:50:43] run the golf course and try to find
[2:50:45] advertising at the same time so it would
[2:50:47] be nice to have that and uh I don't even
[2:50:50] think their cost was very high no it's a
[2:50:53] percentage of what it is we get to
[2:50:55] dictate um how many ads uh you know if
[2:50:58] you've ever been immune and you've
[2:50:59] looked up our scorecard um one of the
[2:51:01] things that I made sure is and this is
[2:51:02] not a knock on other courses but certain
[2:51:05] courses have scorecards that look very
[2:51:07] similar to the diner
[2:51:09] menu they're very to busy very many ads
[2:51:13] and that is fine and I will never
[2:51:15] begrudge someone for making Revenue but
[2:51:17] we have a very nice card we do ourselves
[2:51:21] with two prime sponsors on that card but
[2:51:23] I mean one of the things that we have
[2:51:25] been and the mayor has asked us to do
[2:51:27] but it's just such a challenge is the
[2:51:30] majority of courses that run GPS the GPS
[2:51:34] usually should operate at a net zero
[2:51:36] that GPS should be used to advertise
[2:51:40] every ble can be geofence so that when
[2:51:41] you come to a green when you come to a
[2:51:43] location it tells you what you're should
[2:51:45] be doing and Matt and I do not have the
[2:51:49] background or the time to actually
[2:51:52] procure you know what would could be
[2:51:54] anywhere from you hope minimum 18 one
[2:51:57] for whole but really you're hoping for
[2:51:59] 36 you're hoping for a t box in the
[2:52:01] green t box in the green and that that
[2:52:03] screen turns over um and that's what
[2:52:06] we're really hoping that they would get
[2:52:08] involved in is helping us Market that
[2:52:10] and bring some Revenue so we we put a
[2:52:12] modest amount here but we're really
[2:52:14] looking at you know what what we can do
[2:52:18] uh when this company comes in because it
[2:52:19] is one of the only areas left that we
[2:52:23] have to try to increase
[2:52:26] Revenue
[2:52:27] nice go ahead please uh I know the
[2:52:30] police department was successful in
[2:52:32] partnering with their CEO program and
[2:52:34] having their local uh school car
[2:52:38] designed by a high school student which
[2:52:40] I thought was an amazing component any
[2:52:41] thought and partnering with some of our
[2:52:43] local universities to have either a
[2:52:45] Capstone class they can kind of partner
[2:52:47] and provide that marketing assistance
[2:52:49] where it buys in that whole V concy
[2:52:52] mentality just a thought I wasn't being
[2:52:56] close to that get a little more educated
[2:52:58] on it for
[2:53:03] sure um again great course many many
[2:53:07] improvements over the years I just got
[2:53:10] somewhere and I don't remember they were
[2:53:11] electric carts and they were advertising
[2:53:13] every time we pulled up to to somewhere
[2:53:16] um didn't bother me at all get out and
[2:53:19] hit the ball but um as far as in those
[2:53:22] uh porns um you know in years past you
[2:53:26] know I'm out wherever and somebody one
[2:53:28] of your one of the attendants is driving
[2:53:31] in a carart you know you know calling everybody in yeah so when you
[2:53:35] can't get in um I you know I I I I asked
[2:53:39] about this before you thought maybe our
[2:53:41] Carpenters could do it I think it's very
[2:53:42] important for safety reasons to have a
[2:53:44] couple sheds to bring back the shelters
[2:53:47] shelter shelter we used to have Shel
[2:53:48] shelters and we had to take them down
[2:53:50] you think bring them back I mean I think
[2:53:52] it's extremely we had a far course might
[2:53:56] not be a bad idea to have something like
[2:53:58] that said sometimes you can't get in
[2:54:01] there were a couple place for stuck out
[2:54:03] there a few weeks ago Matt had to go out
[2:54:05] and get them and bring them in um it was
[2:54:08] extremely dangerous as for the um the
[2:54:12] design of the shelter would be
[2:54:14] imperative it would really um we would
[2:54:17] really have to focus on how to make a
[2:54:19] covered area that is also very
[2:54:21] transparent and visible um because the
[2:54:25] old shelters were more like a shed and
[2:54:29] they could be Hangouts I mean the golf
[2:54:31] course as it is and already you know
[2:54:34] seen that we do have nor parent and
[2:54:36] child nearby um but that's not the
[2:54:38] outreaches of the course I know where
[2:54:40] you're thinking we can look into it you
[2:54:42] are right it is an many that it has on
[2:54:45] several courses and we do not have them
[2:54:46] anymore I remember them when they were
[2:54:49] there I can tell you right where they
[2:54:50] were but yeah that but that just go
[2:54:53] right to especially when you're walking
[2:54:55] you hear that Five Mile thing coming up
[2:54:57] you know you're looking where to go MH
[2:54:59] you know when
[2:55:00] you're okay hopping a ride with somebody
[2:55:02] on a cart they don't have room for your
[2:55:04] clubs and your push car and uh if you
[2:55:07] notice I wish I had the picture on me
[2:55:09] but our Carpenter uh it was a Steve
[2:55:12] built a beautiful new staircase on a
[2:55:16] whole was it 11 12 and
[2:55:30] uh and it was in need of repair so they
[2:55:33] repl up all right so the capital before
[2:55:36] you gois you mentioned a potential free
[2:55:41] did you did you a that on the CR 2025 J
[2:55:46] or is that what our revenues are based
[2:55:48] off of no increase because you have not
[2:55:51] approved any increase so this is this is
[2:55:54] based off of if you go into next year as
[2:55:56] it as is so what do you we adopted the
[2:56:00] adopted 2024 Revenue was 550,000 y this
[2:56:04] year you are proposed 600,000 so there's
[2:56:08] a 50,000 increase there yeah yeah
[2:56:12] and uh as you see in 2023 we actually
[2:56:15] hit almost hit 600,000 and this year
[2:56:17] we're going to probably hit I don't
[2:56:20] we're going to be well over
[2:56:22] 600 so I mean I mean if we're talking
[2:56:26] Revenue lines right now Matt what's your
[2:56:27] projection we were talking about it I
[2:56:29] mean be a little conservative but it's a
[2:56:31] big number this year yeah I mean we're
[2:56:33] going to be over 1.6
[2:56:36] million okay in Revenue fees yeah
[2:56:39] Revenue oh over
[2:56:42] overall theine no no whe we determines how good it is we
[2:56:48] had a great year well yeah I mean I
[2:56:51] can't say for sure next summer is going
[2:56:52] to be like this one obviously I mean I
[2:56:54] would have to think it's
[2:56:57] not PS you won't have to cancel right if
[2:57:00] there's cut pths you know I I also just
[2:57:03] want
[2:57:05] to we talk about that Capital
[2:57:10] practice I see right here so capital
[2:57:13] projects uh I don't know what you're
[2:57:16] looking at I'll tell you what
[2:57:22] atal second
[2:57:24] [Music]
[2:57:33] page so I just want to make sure that
[2:57:36] our so so right now what we're looking
[2:57:40] at is a spreader it's a very
[2:57:43] simple piece of Machinery that attaches
[2:57:45] to the back we use it for fertilizer
[2:57:47] spreading we're looking at a core
[2:57:49] sweeper a core sweeper is kind of exact
[2:57:52] what it sounds like if you've ever been
[2:57:53] on the golf course after we air rated
[2:57:55] there these little core called them
[2:57:56] plugs uh this machine is a specialized
[2:57:59] machine that picks them up uh a chemical
[2:58:01] mixer which is almost like a giant thing
[2:58:03] that you see in high school uh chemistry
[2:58:05] class just so that we can mix some of
[2:58:07] our fertilizers together uh greens mower
[2:58:11] um the greens mower actually I got a
[2:58:12] quote on it I was thinking of a fairway
[2:58:15] mower so I will be adjusting that cost
[2:58:17] in the budget a greens mower is
[2:58:20] $50,000 fairway mower
[2:58:23] is150 um the clubhouse patio um that is
[2:58:27] I have a rendering I did not bring it
[2:58:29] but um we are looking at doing a simple
[2:58:32] uh paper patio outside and doing some
[2:58:34] cart workk to try to make an outdoor
[2:58:36] space and then uh a greens roller we
[2:58:39] bought a greens roller 8 years ago a
[2:58:41] greens roller really adds to the um
[2:58:45] Quality and then um we're looking to buy
[2:58:48] our first uh lithium ion utility cart um
[2:58:52] so we've had good luck with our lithium
[2:58:53] ion carts I was on the course for an
[2:58:56] event and they have the utility card
[2:58:58] that they do the trash and some of the
[2:58:59] pick up with it's gas it idles you hear
[2:59:02] it everybody can hear it so we thought
[2:59:04] that maybe moving to you know we were
[2:59:06] trying to go electric with all of our
[2:59:07] equipment so moving to this part giving
[2:59:09] it a try uh it'll be quiet and Silent as
[2:59:12] it runs around while people are playing
[2:59:13] gol I think it would be a nice asset so
[2:59:16] the new Total just so you're where um
[2:59:19] with all the cost updated is
[2:59:25] 29757 297
[2:59:28] MH 500 297 297 500 okay thanks so and
[2:59:34] that is paid for out of Reserve reserves
[2:59:37] that is not a bonded item so you know
[2:59:39] you'll see time to time if I need
[2:59:40] equipment because usually the golf
[2:59:42] course pays for out reserves I'll come
[2:59:43] and ask the council permission to add a
[2:59:45] piece of equipment but this is our ass
[2:59:48] for the year
[2:59:51] so go ahead please so if if we do put in
[2:59:54] a uh uh patio would the fee for the I
[2:59:59] saw the $5,000 something in there for
[3:00:01] the clubhouse would that go up or would
[3:00:03] it be so so just just yeah so we're on
[3:00:07] the same page of this so this year is
[3:00:09] the last year of the current tenants uh
[3:00:12] agreement so what I asked to do is the
[3:00:14] reason that I have the renderings is I'm
[3:00:17] trying to put a little bit more meet on
[3:00:18] the bone for people to come in bid um
[3:00:20] because if you look at the revenue line
[3:00:22] one Revenue another Revenue I can't
[3:00:23] increase what I would love to is the
[3:00:25] concessions right if you look at the
[3:00:27] budget right we're a $1.6 million
[3:00:30] operation and the concession pays us
[3:00:32] $35,000 a year so you know I mean the
[3:00:34] concession is literally just there to
[3:00:37] serve people it really does no um direct
[3:00:41] Financial impact it is a complimentary
[3:00:44] function of the golf course we're not
[3:00:45] making money really off of that but we
[3:00:48] are because we wouldn't have leagues and
[3:00:50] tournaments that we want but we we have
[3:00:52] to compliment but I just feel like so
[3:00:54] what I did is I met with Matt we met
[3:00:56] with our architect we had a nice
[3:00:57] rendering proposed that we could afford
[3:00:59] to do and I put it in the RFP package to
[3:01:03] say that the city is looking to build
[3:01:05] this thing because I don't think I think
[3:01:08] it's the first question that would come
[3:01:09] up with someone that would be reasonably
[3:01:10] looking at it is that I'm on a golf
[3:01:12] course and you have no outdoor space and
[3:01:15] I mean that's what I will get if you go
[3:01:17] to Orchard Creek we go to Eagle CEST we
[3:01:18] go to anywhere outdoor space Manhattan
[3:01:21] huge outdoor space and uh so we we
[3:01:25] needed that so that's why did the
[3:01:27] rendering put it in and that's what
[3:01:29] we're hoping and we're hoping once again
[3:01:30] is to answer your question that's why we
[3:01:32] put it higher we're hoping that somebody
[3:01:34] looks at it and says okay I can make
[3:01:35] some more money maybe have some more
[3:01:37] people pay a little bit more thank
[3:01:41] you I I support that because I think
[3:01:43] that there's just huge potential for you
[3:01:46] know different kinds of events that many
[3:01:48] of us probably attend at other at other
[3:01:51] courses where there's a baby shower or a
[3:01:52] wedding shower or something like that so
[3:01:55] I think the improvements to the patio in
[3:01:57] combination with you know the RFP for
[3:02:00] the for the vendor is you know hopefully
[3:02:02] going to generate more
[3:02:05] revenue goe on gol Le grounds there was
[3:02:08] a high of 254 in 2022 then it really
[3:02:12] dipped and now it's 230 and 2.5 can you
[3:02:14] explain that is that weather related
[3:02:18] ground
[3:02:19] cr2025 m is it yeah from 2023 yeah yeah
[3:02:25] so last year that were uh that was there
[3:02:27] were so many rain dates so we had to
[3:02:31] credit back a lot of of the leagues so
[3:02:36] with this year
[3:02:37] being a much better year we're not going
[3:02:40] to have that issue next
[3:02:41] year so we're going to see a significant
[3:02:44] increase in that but yeah a lot of the
[3:02:46] leagues I mean I think um Tuesday night League specifically did
[3:02:51] not play for the entire month of
[3:02:54] July they had I think six rain dates in
[3:02:58] total that they just couldn't play with
[3:03:00] the course were unplayable and that
[3:03:03] happened on a multiple evenings so we
[3:03:05] just got hit pretty hard in terms of
[3:03:09] that I just have one about the budget um
[3:03:13] in terms of the you said the green mower
[3:03:15] um Mr long it it's going to ,000 as
[3:03:18] opposed to
[3:03:19] 150,000 I was in my head I had it as a
[3:03:23] fairway mower a fairway mower is
[3:03:25] significant larger and more expensive
[3:03:27] and so when I got the quote it was so
[3:03:30] it's 50,000 yes so so but so we're
[3:03:33] taking 100,000 out of this I yeah I
[3:03:35] stated the new amount yeah but it but
[3:03:37] it's it's like 35,000 more than it would
[3:03:39] be if you if you it was just 100,000
[3:03:41] then it would be
[3:03:44] 262,525
[3:03:46] maybe my math is wrong 3, 45,000 I
[3:03:50] can should be 26
[3:03:55] 262 you said
[3:03:57] 297
[3:03:59] 262500 okay thank
[3:04:02] you thank you see what I crossed out all
[3:04:06] right that was it thank you for me any
[3:04:08] other
[3:04:10] question anything else any great job uh
[3:04:13] thank you so much thank you for all
[3:04:15] you're doing there yeah thank you very
[3:04:16] much go make some money for
[3:04:19] us hold on just one
[3:04:21] second I'm I'm just sorry Anthony I'm
[3:04:24] missing something you want to go back to
[3:04:26] the capital yeah my number is my number
[3:04:28] is adding up so that means there's
[3:04:29] something
[3:04:32] missing
[3:04:34] 3,000 oh I'm sorry did I not tell you
[3:04:37] the the core sweeper is not
[3:04:39] $155,000 oh that's the core sweeper is
[3:04:43] very expensive I didn't realize that I
[3:04:45] got the core sleep byon spread 3,000
[3:04:48] core sweeper
[3:04:50] 45,000 chemical mixture 1500 greens
[3:04:53] mower 50 Clubhouse patio 150 greens
[3:04:57] roller 25 lithium carp 23,000 instead of
[3:05:01] 18 there
[3:05:02] you so it comes 2975 so
[3:05:08] else there was there was a there was a
[3:05:11] bunch of adjust the cor wor 45,000 not
[3:05:14] 15 3,000 45,000
[3:05:21] 45,50
[3:05:23] 25 is
[3:05:25] 50 297 lithium ion cart is 23,000 not 18
[3:05:31] okay that that accounts for the other
[3:05:33] 5000 so what I while I was doing the
[3:05:36] budget I reached out to all of these
[3:05:38] vendors you have to work through a
[3:05:39] wholesale vendor and they got me the
[3:05:41] quotes back a couple weeks ago but it
[3:05:44] was after I had submitted estimates so
[3:05:46] now I have I I submitted it to Anthony
[3:05:48] Derek today when I have everything as a
[3:05:50] package so that number is the 297 is now
[3:05:54] correct 29751 I'm sorry I didn't I
[3:05:56] didn't think of M yet I have the sheet
[3:05:58] that I sent if you don't have this sheet
[3:05:59] no it's okay I just wanted to CU the
[3:06:01] math wasn't math for me so thank you the
[3:06:03] math was not any other question from M
[3:06:05] or PR thank you so much again thank
[3:06:12] youate anybody want anybody want to take
[3:06:15] a minute break minute break no I want to
[3:06:17] get
[3:06:20] abely getting more water I at
[3:06:22] mybody
[3:06:30] sorry who's next hurry up
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[3:06:53] here
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[3:07:18] the
[3:07:23] next he permission
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[3:08:07] yes
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[3:08:26] any
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[3:09:02] he
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[3:09:57] all right all right so we'll move into
[3:10:00] the fire
[3:10:02] [Music]
[3:10:05] department
[3:10:08] very can you just give me the page
[3:10:10] number please picking up Anthony's page
[3:10:12] 27 thank you oh now you're picking up
[3:10:15] your work he wants to do an over
[3:10:18] very yeah before you start Chief we'll
[3:10:20] hand it over to the direct just do a
[3:10:22] brief overview and then we'll hand it
[3:10:24] over to you and you walk us through okay
[3:10:27] everything that we need to know within
[3:10:28] your department and then we'll ask you
[3:10:30] to kind of highlight what is happening
[3:10:32] in new and what we need to
[3:10:34] know so the fire department budget
[3:10:37] increased by
[3:10:39] 1.96% very small amount um just note uh
[3:10:43] the local 20 uning has not been
[3:10:45] negotiated uh CA has negotiate so they
[3:10:48] do become uh negotiate for 2025 the
[3:10:51] budgets will
[3:10:54] increase okay before I start I'm just
[3:10:57] going to tell you it's been very
[3:10:59] stressful the last three hours I have to
[3:11:02] listen to the development talk about
[3:11:03] putting fires out codes talking while
[3:11:06] drinking from a fire hose and then the
[3:11:09] golf course talks well with the
[3:11:10] environment so I might be a little
[3:11:16] rled the
[3:11:18] it's only it's only like 68 golf carts
[3:11:20] so one
[3:11:23] building
[3:11:25] um I'm not the uh most tech guy I got a
[3:11:28] lot of help uh Judy and others in the
[3:11:33] office helped with the uh PowerPoint and
[3:11:36] she said that red looked angry but
[3:11:39] respons no I'm not angry okay a little
[3:11:43] too red we're going to move on anyways
[3:11:46] all right so what I want to do is just
[3:11:48] take a few minutes
[3:11:51] to show our department compared to other
[3:11:54] departments other departments that are
[3:11:57] very similar to us and what I hope do is
[3:12:00] when we get done you can see just what
[3:12:04] this department does this is a very good
[3:12:07] Department it's working with short
[3:12:10] staffing and it it provides a lot to the
[3:12:14] community and it does it if
[3:12:18] so we'll go through this quick not to
[3:12:20] keep you
[3:12:21] long n Falls 50,000 people smaller than
[3:12:26] our city uh but they have a lot of they
[3:12:29] do have a lot of uh visitors coming five
[3:12:32] stations 132 firefighters they have 26
[3:12:36] per day and they do 7,500
[3:12:40] calls we go to
[3:12:42] Bingington about the same size 47,000
[3:12:45] five stations 17 firefighters per day
[3:12:50] I'm sorry 117 firefighters on on this
[3:12:53] job 21 firefighters per day they do
[3:12:56] 11,000
[3:12:57] calls
[3:12:59] Troy 50,000 people six firehouses
[3:13:03] 117 24 per day they do 13,000
[3:13:08] calls uica pretty close to us although
[3:13:11] their city is bigger in in
[3:13:14] Mass six stations 132 firefighters 23
[3:13:19] per day they do
[3:13:20] 17,000 now the next one is
[3:13:24] Al bigger Department right 102,000
[3:13:28] population eight firehouses that's
[3:13:30] double the size of us 260 firefighters
[3:13:34] that's double the size more than double
[3:13:37] the size
[3:13:38] 47 that's crazy per day look at that
[3:13:43] number of what they do per year 25,000
[3:13:48] great 25,000 that's the number I want
[3:13:50] you to focus on and now it's connected
[3:13:53] almost 70,000 population for
[3:13:57] firehouses back in the uh Stone ages
[3:14:01] when I came on we had six firehouses
[3:14:04] before that there were
[3:14:07] 10 we had 155 when I came on now we're
[3:14:12] 119 but we have 110 available I'll get
[3:14:16] into more that minimum Staffing is 20
[3:14:19] and we're approaching 20,000 calls just
[3:14:22] take a beat back at
[3:14:24] Albany over double the
[3:14:27] size huge number per day and they're
[3:14:30] only doing 5,000 calls
[3:14:34] more so Department comparisons kind of
[3:14:38] hard to see there but I just wanted to
[3:14:40] focus what everybody else is doing
[3:14:43] compared to us hope you and I'm sure
[3:14:46] you're getting the point that I'm trying
[3:14:47] to
[3:14:48] make um this is
[3:14:52] another U comparison done by the
[3:14:56] graph the
[3:14:58] tall uh the pillars that's the number of
[3:15:02] people that you have per day and then
[3:15:05] that black line going up is the number
[3:15:07] of calls as you see we're the shortest
[3:15:10] pillar and where they almost touch in
[3:15:13] ofing okay that gives you the comparison
[3:15:17] of how many people we have how many
[3:15:18] calls we're
[3:15:21] doing so what are we doing Fire
[3:15:24] Department fire suppression right that's
[3:15:28] obvious we are the primary paramedic
[3:15:32] service in the city our people are
[3:15:34] trained to a very high level of
[3:15:37] medical we are very happy to support the
[3:15:40] police department with their SOS team
[3:15:43] their swap team they asked us if we
[3:15:46] would provide that with tactical Medics
[3:15:49] and we happily did that that's another
[3:15:52] service we're providing uh and our
[3:15:55] people are highly trained to work with
[3:15:57] the police our special operations Team
[3:16:00] part of that is the county HazMat team
[3:16:03] we go all throughout the county if you
[3:16:06] remember earlier this year later part of
[3:16:10] last year we had some issues with um
[3:16:14] trucks
[3:16:15] carrying propane
[3:16:17] liquid uh fuel right we had within a
[3:16:21] week or two I can't remember exactly two
[3:16:24] major incidences and our people were
[3:16:26] there for that uh confined space we
[3:16:30] provide that throughout the county uh
[3:16:32] landbased water
[3:16:35] rescue uh we have now developed a we're
[3:16:39] working with the county with their drone
[3:16:41] program we're supplying we're supplying
[3:16:44] pilots and since the Inception of that
[3:16:47] program uh there have been 50 missions
[3:16:49] from and it's getting more you do the
[3:16:52] more we're
[3:16:54] doing uh community outreach I've been
[3:16:57] here a long time we've never been in the
[3:17:01] community more than this
[3:17:03] year and just listed a few of the people
[3:17:07] few of the organizations that we've had
[3:17:09] the privilege to work with from a Coco
[3:17:12] house to a little bit of love to uh the
[3:17:15] sound the alarm stop the bleed program
[3:17:18] Community CPR just to mention a few fire
[3:17:23] investigation you've heard me say this
[3:17:25] before I've said it individually I've
[3:17:27] said it in public we've got the best
[3:17:29] fire investigation fire prevention
[3:17:33] unit in the area in the region in the
[3:17:37] state they're good they're really good
[3:17:41] they have 100% conviction rate for any case that goes to travel that number
[3:17:49] is astounding we have a Smokehouse
[3:17:52] that's our traveling classroom we're in
[3:17:54] the community we're at the schools
[3:17:56] teaching the youngest when people when they're most impressionable on fire
[3:18:03] safety and I'm going to tell you a
[3:18:04] couple stories about that uh juvenile
[3:18:07] fire Setters program that's us working
[3:18:10] with the school district working with
[3:18:13] Social Services identifying people
[3:18:17] children that may have an issue and
[3:18:20] dealing with it early so it doesn't
[3:18:23] become more of an issue as time goes
[3:18:29] on Staffing now Staffing tell you I get
[3:18:33] a headache talking about Staffing trying
[3:18:36] to figure out Staffing we we confer
[3:18:39] about this a lot I want to just focus on
[3:18:41] a little bit on available people we're
[3:18:45] not that far from
[3:18:47] full staff we're five vacancies right
[3:18:50] now supposed to be
[3:18:51] 119 uh we're down to 114 so you look at
[3:18:55] me and go J Maro why are you crying
[3:18:58] you're almost full Stu well I'm crying
[3:19:01] because we have seven people in school
[3:19:04] so you take the five and the Seven
[3:19:06] that's 12 we've got five
[3:19:09] more by April that are going to be
[3:19:13] leaving
[3:19:15] retiring you talking a big
[3:19:17] number um so this here but I'd like you
[3:19:22] to take away from this we're going to
[3:19:24] start the year 2025 with 109 people and the number is going to fluctuate 109
[3:19:31] people available to us and going to go
[3:19:35] up through the year it's going to go
[3:19:36] down it's going to go up we're going to
[3:19:38] end the year with
[3:19:39] 109 available people what does that mean
[3:19:42] that means the people that are on the
[3:19:44] front lines every day are are working
[3:19:47] more and more and
[3:19:51] more
[3:19:53] so in summary we're the busiest Fire
[3:19:57] Department in the region in the state
[3:19:59] for firefighter no
[3:20:02] one does more calls per fire fighter
[3:20:04] than it's going no one provides the
[3:20:07] amount of service that we do to our
[3:20:12] community the new hiring model is
[3:20:14] working and I want to thank
[3:20:18] the council and thank the mayor for you
[3:20:21] believing in what we told you that we
[3:20:23] needed to change how we hire didn't
[3:20:27] change our
[3:20:29] requirements we just changed how people
[3:20:32] are going to get those
[3:20:34] requirements we're we're helping people
[3:20:37] that want to be here that maybe can't
[3:20:39] afford to go to paramedic school at
[3:20:43] $8,000 to the program or they don't have
[3:20:48] the time because they're raising the
[3:20:50] family so you allowed us to change that
[3:20:53] we've hired 11 people this year seven of
[3:20:56] which we would not have been able to
[3:20:58] hire if you did not allow us to do that
[3:21:00] so I thank you very much for that and we
[3:21:03] have to keep going with it
[3:21:06] um we're very conscious of how much
[3:21:09] things are and what we need to
[3:21:11] do uh our office staff led by Judy and
[3:21:16] the ladies the two other ladies Leah and
[3:21:19] Jenny in there I just want to say that I
[3:21:21] talk about how great our department is
[3:21:24] and how they work with less and they're
[3:21:26] doing so much more that goes for the
[3:21:28] office staff too you you actually need
[3:21:32] three more people in that office they do
[3:21:33] tremendous work but we have tried uh we
[3:21:38] went for a safer Grant this year first
[3:21:40] time ever we're trying to uh up our
[3:21:44] staffing with that and
[3:21:47] we were
[3:21:49] unsuccessful three years ago 10% of the
[3:21:53] applicants were successful last year 8%
[3:21:57] of the applicants were successful this
[3:21:59] year 6% of the applicants were
[3:22:01] successful we made it to the final round
[3:22:05] uh we just didn't get to the end um afg
[3:22:09] we applied for a a grant that would pay
[3:22:13] for our people to go to school to kind
[3:22:15] of to lessen the burden on the city
[3:22:19] because sending them School send them to
[3:22:21] paramedical school on the fire academy
[3:22:23] it's not
[3:22:25] inexpensive we are unsuccessful and we
[3:22:28] will try again next
[3:22:29] year Staffing level is going to remain
[3:22:32] the same it's going to remain a
[3:22:33] challenge for next year but we have to
[3:22:36] keep doing what we're
[3:22:39] doing everything I just spoke to comes
[3:22:41] at a cost comes at a financial cost it
[3:22:44] comes at a physical cost or people for
[3:22:47] our members because they're out there
[3:22:49] every day doing more they're more
[3:22:52] susceptible for illness we we have we've
[3:22:56] been struck by the cancer book we've
[3:22:58] have several people that have been
[3:23:00] diagnosed with cancer and some other
[3:23:04] issues and it comes at a mental health
[3:23:10] cost so does does this matter anything
[3:23:12] what I said in the last 10 minutes does
[3:23:14] it matter I think it matters um can tell
[3:23:17] you a little story you may have heard
[3:23:18] this a little bit
[3:23:20] before um our fire prevention staff was
[3:23:26] at z school October 19th
[3:23:31] 2021 little girl Chloe
[3:23:33] attended and very attentive young lady
[3:23:37] she went home that evening gathered up
[3:23:39] the family and said firemen were there
[3:23:42] today at school talked about this and
[3:23:45] Mom Dad we got to do this this and they
[3:23:47] did they came up with a with an
[3:23:49] evacuation plan they came up with what
[3:23:51] do you do if they smoke in the house
[3:23:52] they came up with meeting place
[3:23:54] everything we all know they came up with
[3:23:56] it all that was October
[3:24:00] 19th well on October 24th 5 days later
[3:24:04] Chloe looks out the window and sees her
[3:24:06] house on part and immediately goes into
[3:24:10] action and does everything she was T and
[3:24:13] got everybody out of the house safely no
[3:24:17] one got
[3:24:18] injured that was October 24th and
[3:24:21] October 29th 5 days later our fire
[3:24:24] investigation unit was able to make an
[3:24:26] arrest the person that set the fire it's
[3:24:30] when everything happens right everything
[3:24:32] went according to
[3:24:35] plan one of the council members asked
[3:24:38] me je how many players to prevent I
[3:24:41] can't tell you that I don't know what we
[3:24:42] prevent it I wish I could tell you that
[3:24:45] can tell you how many players we've had
[3:24:47] can't tell you what we presented but
[3:24:50] Chloe's one of many what we do matters
[3:24:53] what that what our members do
[3:24:56] matters uh another um story we're in the
[3:25:02] schools now teaching a program that's
[3:25:05] called stop the
[3:25:06] bleed we've been doing it for three
[3:25:09] years and in that program we teach how
[3:25:13] to manage sever h
[3:25:19] this year we were there just at to start
[3:25:20] a school taught the program teach people
[3:25:24] how to apply
[3:25:26] tourniquets couple of weeks later there
[3:25:28] was an issue at the high school someone
[3:25:30] was was injured severely had a had a
[3:25:33] major Hemorrhage one of the staff
[3:25:35] members that were at that class knew
[3:25:37] exactly what to do had a tette and
[3:25:40] control that bleeding and if he didn't
[3:25:43] do that the patient would have suffered
[3:25:47] more severe injuries than he already did
[3:25:50] so does it matter it matters it
[3:25:52] definitely matters so what what would I
[3:25:55] like everyone here in this room anyone
[3:25:58] watching to take away is be proud of
[3:26:02] your fire
[3:26:03] department you all know we're not
[3:26:08] perfect we're not
[3:26:10] perfect
[3:26:12] but the people that come to work every
[3:26:15] day and are on on the line every day put
[3:26:17] their lives on the line they do a great
[3:26:20] job they do an awesome job so everything
[3:26:24] in that budget are things that we need
[3:26:28] and I think you know the times I've been
[3:26:31] here we don't ask for things we don't
[3:26:33] need we ask the things we need we're
[3:26:35] efficient with it
[3:26:39] um it's about all I got to say and thank
[3:26:42] you for passing my budget and I'll see
[3:26:44] you next week thank
[3:26:48] nice
[3:26:49] [Music]
[3:26:57] try I hope you're ready for your
[3:26:59] presentation sure I am song and dance
[3:27:02] yeah all right
[3:27:06] so we'll start with um just we'll go
[3:27:09] through uh fire Administration and let's
[3:27:11] go through and if there's anything that
[3:27:12] we need to questions we ask answer and
[3:27:17] we move
[3:27:19] forward into various uh departments
[3:27:22] under your control
[3:27:25] um page 26
[3:27:28] [Music]
[3:27:31] let our budget went up um 1.9% from last
[3:27:37] year I'm sorry what was that 1.9% from
[3:27:39] last year what went I'm sorry the entire
[3:27:44] budget I can you with facts and figures
[3:27:47] but whatever you want
[3:27:50] to we'll go through uh page 27 okay if
[3:27:55] you can just walk us through and we'll
[3:27:56] just roll into the
[3:28:02] next anything that we need to do you
[3:28:04] don't need to anything I don't think
[3:28:06] there's anything and open for question
[3:28:08] please go ahead uh assistant chief so if the new amounts or contracts haven't
[3:28:15] been out I
[3:28:16] whoever that individual is has a raise
[3:28:19] well it's a this is a two-parter
[3:28:24] okay all the all the
[3:28:28] positions have an 8% differential so
[3:28:31] from lieut to Captain Captain the deputy
[3:28:33] chief okay has an 8% the assistant chief
[3:28:38] that position was behind that 8% so I
[3:28:42] have
[3:28:43] requested um an increase so between the
[3:28:47] chief and the assistant chief there' be
[3:28:48] an % differential when I had asked for
[3:28:51] that I was informed that I can't just
[3:28:55] ask for that I have to look at
[3:28:58] legislation which I did There's
[3:29:00] legislation there's an ordinance
[3:29:02] out well when I did that I found that we
[3:29:06] haven't been following that formula so
[3:29:09] you see that in the budget was 159
[3:29:12] that's what we left it at but when we
[3:29:15] applied a form
[3:29:16] that position actually should be
[3:29:19] 166
[3:29:21] 967 so to follow the formula at the
[3:29:24] legislation it should be even higher
[3:29:26] than the 159 I asked for and with the
[3:29:30] Chief's position that position should be
[3:29:34] about $3,000 more it's
[3:29:37] [Music]
[3:29:39] 17334 and the budget it really should be
[3:29:42] 176
[3:29:44] 684 it did not put it in the budget
[3:29:47] because I was told I had to look at the
[3:29:49] legislation which I did and then um I
[3:29:53] got permission to increase it yeah for
[3:29:57] the
[3:29:58] 8% well the 8% was that's what motivated
[3:30:02] me to ask for a raise for that assistant
[3:30:05] position and in so doing and doing the
[3:30:08] research I found well we're those
[3:30:11] positions are either they're getting
[3:30:12] paid even less than they should
[3:30:15] according to
[3:30:18] legislation s can you please make note
[3:30:20] of that and we can
[3:30:22] look I think it's under the mayor's
[3:30:24] discussion um how he's going to proceed
[3:30:28] with those
[3:30:32] salaries any questions go ahead please
[3:30:35] so my question is overall of the blue
[3:30:37] lines which means it's
[3:30:40] arine um so you know which will be for
[3:30:43] all departments to have it is at this
[3:30:46] point in time how are we going to move
[3:30:49] be able to move forward because they're
[3:30:50] needed lines I mean they're small
[3:30:53] amounts of money for the most part
[3:30:55] mostly supplies and things um just want
[3:30:59] to make oh no the firefighter Academy
[3:31:02] well can I adjust the blue line can you
[3:31:05] adjust it I can address it can I address
[3:31:07] it yes okay uh I learned about the blue
[3:31:11] line when we started these talks today I
[3:31:14] did not know about the blue line I was
[3:31:17] surprised to see the Blue
[3:31:19] Line uh so if the blue line is there or
[3:31:23] not it's still funds we need that that's
[3:31:25] more how Finance would like to account
[3:31:28] for it because we did not have those
[3:31:31] funds we just were requesting the funds
[3:31:33] we need I see you didn't know the source
[3:31:36] correct got it and and about the red
[3:31:39] screen it it I didn't make me angry but
[3:31:41] it certainly changed when I look back at
[3:31:43] my paper I'm like I keep seeing this
[3:31:46] use a different background
[3:31:48] team J told me to I didn't do it she's
[3:31:53] 100% well we're going to go with blue or
[3:32:00] police all right any other question
[3:32:03] for any stuff on page 27 if not we're
[3:32:07] all next page see what page I'm on um 28
[3:32:17] is
[3:32:20] that well on page 28 I'll point it
[3:32:23] out I have a341 404 404 I have a
[3:32:28] question about that okay
[3:32:31] um so half of the explanation
[3:32:34] is all these things go up are psych
[3:32:39] evaluations are Dr extrem so that's what
[3:32:42] the servic that's what my question is
[3:32:43] what are the services that are in that
[3:32:45] okay okay
[3:32:47] um down recruitment is in there the
[3:32:51] website fees are in there but Dr tolin
[3:32:56] fees okay and she's our clinical
[3:33:00] psychologist um so she is she gets
[3:33:04] $1,400 a month which is quick math it's
[3:33:08] at 168 a year 14,000 plus
[3:33:12] 28 what does that come to 28
[3:33:17] two so that's half of that increase okay
[3:33:21] all right
[3:33:23] mhm uh you want to touch
[3:33:28] on which one already
[3:33:30] 410 465 we had it did we were using um our
[3:33:40] reporting system was probably 5 years
[3:33:43] old and they the company was no longer
[3:33:47] supporting that
[3:33:48] system what that means is when things
[3:33:51] broke down they weren't fixing them and
[3:33:52] they weren't doing um you know do
[3:33:55] products to to improve on it and it
[3:33:58] became obsolete so we were forced to go
[3:34:00] into a couple of different reports one
[3:34:04] report one reporting system is called P
[3:34:06] staff the other one is called fire
[3:34:08] reports um and they were all more
[3:34:11] expensive than what we were previously
[3:34:14] using
[3:34:16] that's why that's
[3:34:18] M any questions from page
[3:34:22] 28 if not we'll move to page
[3:34:28] 29 see anything major there I went
[3:34:34] up the next one I have of a of an
[3:34:39] increase is a 341146
[3:34:42] [Music]
[3:34:45] from 45,000 last year to 64,000 this
[3:34:49] year it's because we're sending people
[3:34:51] the school that covers um
[3:34:57] is it's
[3:34:59] $8,000 um a person theem paramedic
[3:35:03] school right yes
[3:35:06] Ma and then the next one will
[3:35:09] be uh 465 same category
[3:35:16] that went up $8,000 and that's just that
[3:35:20] uh for our Reporting System again our
[3:35:23] EMS charts that's our digital
[3:35:26] pcrs Striker that's um our maintenance
[3:35:30] feed for our
[3:35:32] monitors and they those mten contracts
[3:35:41] from uh I'm on page 30 now
[3:35:45] I don't
[3:35:47] see anything nature there public safety
[3:35:50] equipment any want to discuss from that
[3:35:52] which are that is
[3:35:57] [Music]
[3:36:01] 423 it's on that same page page 30 at
[3:36:05] the
[3:36:06] bottom at the bottom
[3:36:11] um those are our our turnout Gees
[3:36:14] turnout
[3:36:16] and so we're on a we're on a
[3:36:19] schedule uh where we try to replace them
[3:36:21] they have a 10-year life so we're on a
[3:36:24] schedule where they get replaced at the
[3:36:26] appropriate
[3:36:27] time any other question on page Char I
[3:36:31] just go ahead please it's more of a
[3:36:34] comment and I Know Chief and I have had
[3:36:36] a lot of conversations and I appreciate
[3:36:37] them and I appreciate the context that
[3:36:39] your brief gave I think it's just
[3:36:41] identifying that we're in a difficult
[3:36:43] spot where we paid for temporarily
[3:36:47] permanent positions and it's pretty much
[3:36:49] impossible to go
[3:36:50] backwards I'm sorry can you so to AR
[3:36:54] funding is a temporary funding source
[3:36:56] and we've permanently adopted these
[3:36:57] positions into like your your workflow
[3:37:00] so the worry is that it's evitable it's
[3:37:03] inevitable we can't go backwards so I
[3:37:05] think it's just a realization of this is
[3:37:07] the position that we currently are in
[3:37:09] with using a temporary funding source so
[3:37:11] it wasn't a question it just a
[3:37:13] realization and then I think it was made
[3:37:16] very evident with your briefing um but
[3:37:19] as the com comment that has just been
[3:37:22] constantly uh highlighted throughout the
[3:37:24] conversation is what do we do when ARA
[3:37:27] is no longer
[3:37:28] here I thought ARA was
[3:37:31] gone I thought who's gone this year it's an issue larger than just your
[3:37:35] department sorry it's an issue much
[3:37:37] larger than your department yes
[3:37:39] absolutely but when we put the put our
[3:37:41] budget together we never considered our
[3:37:44] but we've had many need and this I was
[3:37:47] surprised that there was AR money it
[3:37:49] doesn't change what we need no doesn't
[3:37:55] change there's 13 positions from two it
[3:37:59] was two and now at the
[3:38:01] 13 I just want to note that the so for
[3:38:04] a34 1200 it's not that entire amount
[3:38:08] it's we're just trying to use
[3:38:10] 43,000 and that reflects that 3 million
[3:38:13] that's in the revenue um so to recapture
[3:38:17] those funds to
[3:38:18] help bridge the gap we have in revenues
[3:38:21] and
[3:38:23] expenses but still my comment was you
[3:38:25] had the ARA firefighters going through
[3:38:28] the academy so we introduced those six
[3:38:30] new bodies or 160 firefighters into this
[3:38:34] P
[3:38:35] plan if we don't have
[3:38:37] those I'm not
[3:38:43] yeah6 is looking ble all right hold on I do think that um cuz the bottom line
[3:38:48] is that it's still the same number of
[3:38:50] people I think 112 and 112 am I reading
[3:38:53] that wrong so I think what happened was
[3:38:55] things got shifted but let me look
[3:38:57] that's what I wrote on my Note when I
[3:38:59] was going through this that the lines
[3:39:01] shifted I think a question I me ask is
[3:39:03] that why it was two last year on that
[3:39:06] line why
[3:39:10] turkey why not stay
[3:39:13] 2412 100 yes
[3:39:16] [Music]
[3:39:17] I'm sorry where are you John John where
[3:39:19] are
[3:39:20] you number the amount of money is
[3:39:23] 700,000 it's
[3:39:26] only3 343 so you're looking at these
[3:39:30] fire
[3:39:33] captain
[3:39:34] right okay so the firefighters we have
[3:39:38] different levels right so when someone
[3:39:42] becomes a firefighter there's step one
[3:39:45] then the next year to from step two step
[3:39:47] three step four so those numbers will
[3:39:50] constantly change but it's still this
[3:39:53] it's the global
[3:39:55] number we budget for 119 but next year
[3:40:00] uh that 13 might be 10 five because they
[3:40:04] moved out of that step and moved into
[3:40:06] another step it's
[3:40:08] not don't get confused that those are
[3:40:11] additional people no just I don't think
[3:40:14] that's the question the question is
[3:40:15] why why take of
[3:40:17] our yeah that's that's a
[3:40:20] final question yeah that's I'm that am
[3:40:23] of um firefighter that you have in in
[3:40:25] this apartment is more of the funding
[3:40:28] source because when this when this goes
[3:40:31] away next year where are we going to
[3:40:33] find a million dollar I thought it went
[3:40:34] away this year
[3:40:36] question raise taxes so but Mr um mrar
[3:40:41] was saying no but that's true that's
[3:40:43] what we're going to have to do but Mr
[3:40:44] Ferrari was saying that this number
[3:40:46] doesn't really represent a whole the
[3:40:48] same amount what you explain to them
[3:40:49] even though they put the 700,000 that's
[3:40:51] not really what it is is right what we
[3:40:53] did is is because we're not sure AR's
[3:40:56] going to pass or not so what we did is
[3:40:58] we put the clue line in but you're going
[3:40:59] to receive a package tonight it's going
[3:41:02] to show the amounts like for instance
[3:41:04] 8341 12100 is only for 300 where
[3:41:10] 842 343 469 total not 700 and the other
[3:41:16] number
[3:41:17] that's so that's not that's not that's
[3:41:20] not it's a it's a it's we're showing you
[3:41:23] what's going to be our Prof funded but
[3:41:25] we're going to show you this the mou and
[3:41:27] separ Page the line underneath that
[3:41:31] there is seven in 2024 and then one for
[3:41:35] [Music]
[3:41:38] 2025 if you look at the total number
[3:41:40] it's 112 see so it's still the same so
[3:41:44] total number so this leave me to um to
[3:41:47] ask for can we separate these in terms
[3:41:51] of okay you don't need
[3:41:53] seven we will bu is adoped we will
[3:41:56] separate because shouldn't we be looking
[3:42:01] kind of at the bot I mean what did you
[3:42:02] say the bottom line was it's a 1.9%
[3:42:05] increase or something I
[3:42:08] mean no um the question is we need to
[3:42:12] know how much is going towards this line
[3:42:15] from AR it is not 78,000 from AR it's
[3:42:19] 300,000 I think I think there needs to
[3:42:21] be a report uh for us to look
[3:42:25] at it doesn't send a wrong
[3:42:28] [Music]
[3:42:29] message into next year that we need
[3:42:32] 700,000 thank
[3:42:35] you right now it's right now here if you
[3:42:37] look at this I'm telling myself this is
[3:42:40] exactly how it's reach 7 or 8,000 from
[3:42:42] our
[3:42:45] you look at the revenue section the
[3:42:47] total amount 3 million is
[3:42:51] what we use
[3:42:52] [Music]
[3:42:56] our F balance for 2026 did you hear that
[3:43:00] I I I don't know I don't know if
[3:43:01] everybody heard you say that t so but
[3:43:04] the question is not is not I understand
[3:43:06] what you're saying however this doesn't
[3:43:08] truly reflect because we're seeing 78
[3:43:11] but you're telling it's really only 300
[3:43:12] so we really would like to see exactly
[3:43:16] I I understand but this is all we had in
[3:43:18] the
[3:43:20] me oh I I would like to see this
[3:43:24] Revis it will be I think right don't you
[3:43:27] give us a REV before before we adapted
[3:43:30] we should have
[3:43:31] rev
[3:43:34] [Music]
[3:43:40] fix this is I yeah oh okay this is what
[3:43:44] about okay perfect thank
[3:43:47] you did you get one I'm
[3:43:48] [Music]
[3:43:55] sorry he he only gives it to people that
[3:43:58] were in the
[3:44:00] [Music]
[3:44:05] room all right yeah we can take care you
[3:44:07] can do that yeah if you don't mind
[3:44:08] please we'll do that tomorrow yes so
[3:44:11] let's have a
[3:44:13] clear yeah thank you have a clear
[3:44:15] picture of of where the funding are
[3:44:18] coming from all right any other question
[3:44:20] on page
[3:44:22] 30 see now I move to page 31 31 I'll
[3:44:27] point out um 3342 453 clothing and Dry
[3:44:32] Goods um we've been dealing with an
[3:44:36] issue with with our class A uniforms in
[3:44:39] particular we have 30 people that do not
[3:44:44] have uniforms and they're supposed to be
[3:44:46] issue that when they come on the job so
[3:44:49] we propose that we take care of 20 of
[3:44:52] those next year and
[3:44:55] um they $500 a piece so that
[3:45:00] takes that is part of that increase the
[3:45:03] rest of that increase is just uh
[3:45:06] increase amounts for for our uniforms
[3:45:08] for our church ands andu all those all
[3:45:12] those costs have gone
[3:45:15] buying 20 what you say 20 30 we're we're
[3:45:18] planning on buying 20 to try to fix the
[3:45:21] problem thank you right now what's
[3:45:23] happening is someone it's going through
[3:45:26] an event or whatever funeral whatever it
[3:45:28] may be and we have to scr around and hey
[3:45:32] you're working can I borrow your
[3:45:38] CL any other questions any question on
[3:45:42] page 31
[3:45:50] see have Lieutenant have
[3:45:53] three4 two
[3:45:55] is motion are you u under
[3:46:01] 343
[3:46:02] yes if you remember I came to the
[3:46:05] council and I proposed that we take one
[3:46:07] of the lieutenants and make that a
[3:46:09] captain spot so that that's what this
[3:46:11] reflects instead of three lieutenants
[3:46:14] you have two
[3:46:17] any other question let's move to page
[3:46:20] [Music]
[3:46:22] 32 I don't see
[3:46:25] anything I guess you could point out
[3:46:29] um for 50 supplies and what that is
[3:46:33] that's um fire safety material that just
[3:46:37] goes to the
[3:46:42] um to the point that we're in the
[3:46:44] community so much these are things that
[3:46:47] we buy uh for
[3:46:51] giveaways those are nice yeah
[3:46:53] pamphlets uh fire safety pamphlets uh
[3:46:56] giveaways for the kids M cops always
[3:47:00] givea away
[3:47:03] [Music]
[3:47:05] love but we we got a little we got a
[3:47:08] little cute to give away a lot of
[3:47:11] beautiful gifts right so what we did was
[3:47:14] we went out and bought bag that say it's
[3:47:16] conc fire department and the kids take
[3:47:18] all the giveaways from the cops put them
[3:47:20] in our bag they but um just talk about
[3:47:24] seriously buying goodies we also have
[3:47:26] the um going back to 2410 4028 $25,000
[3:47:31] that is set aside for the public safety
[3:47:33] Foundation that is also to buy supplies
[3:47:36] and things like that for your own G that
[3:47:38] is for when we support the organizations
[3:47:42] we make donations to the organizations
[3:47:44] donations Coco house a little bit of
[3:47:47] love on the on the H okay so it's more
[3:47:49] of sponsorship both sponsorship that
[3:47:51] that's what the council gave us the last
[3:47:53] two uh budgets now this year we did not
[3:47:58] receive that so well we were told we W
[3:48:01] going to receive it so we put it in our
[3:48:03] budget so there thank
[3:48:05] you you want to increase it where is
[3:48:08] that
[3:48:09] John Sor for um page page 28
[3:48:14] 8 3410
[3:48:17] 4028
[3:48:21] 25 oh yeah we have done that over the
[3:48:23] year we split it it was 50,000 to the
[3:48:25] police department and may have requested
[3:48:28] that we split it 25 y fire 25 to police
[3:48:32] that's been tremendous that does that's
[3:48:35] been tremendous support for the yeah it
[3:48:37] does and it helps with the community
[3:48:39] outreach and that's you know that's
[3:48:40] something that we need to to focus on
[3:48:42] more and glad you all Department are
[3:48:45] doing it the it
[3:48:48] helps okay
[3:48:51] page
[3:48:53] 32 anything on that if not we'll move to
[3:48:57] page
[3:48:59] 33 33 the Fig increase will be found in
[3:49:03] 406 in service
[3:49:05] training uh that's we are hoping we're
[3:49:09] planning on hiring
[3:49:11] 10 next year and that's to send to the
[3:49:15] academy
[3:49:17] $41,000 it's $4,100 per candidate wa I
[3:49:22] I'm not seen what line is that that is
[3:49:26] that's around 33 33 all the way to the
[3:49:29] bottom 3414
[3:49:32] 406 so it's so it's actually on page 32 page 32 page 32
[3:49:40] yes it's hidden yeah I know it's you you
[3:49:44] got a page I just want to point out that
[3:49:46] it took me until just a couple of
[3:49:48] minutes ago to realize that uh you put
[3:49:50] the page numbers up on the top on the
[3:49:52] top I kept going like this if you the
[3:49:54] page numbers and you actually had
[3:49:55] already fixed it for me ahead of time
[3:49:58] but I just figured that out a little bit
[3:50:00] ago and get a question on
[3:50:04] this I that concludes our um review for
[3:50:08] the Fire Department chief are we missing
[3:50:11] anything is there anything you want to
[3:50:12] tell us Chief do you just have the
[3:50:13] capital oh Capital before we go to
[3:50:16] Capital anything you missing anything
[3:50:18] you want to tell the council uh I cover
[3:50:21] it
[3:50:22] in the red Power And The Angry power
[3:50:26] point oh it's a fir it is it is a
[3:50:31] fire good job there all right all right
[3:50:34] let's go Capital fire department you
[3:50:37] want to highlight U our
[3:50:42] revenues that we already did that
[3:50:44] already did did so we'll just go through
[3:50:47] your Capital um
[3:50:53] [Music]
[3:51:01] items cardiac
[3:51:05] monitors our cardiac monitors have a
[3:51:08] 10-year life on them
[3:51:11] um not saying that they can't be used at
[3:51:15] 10 years they can but the uh maintenance
[3:51:19] fee skyrockets and it makes the cost
[3:51:22] prohibited so we're asking for $800,000
[3:51:27] to replace our all our monitors and also
[3:51:31] with that we're asking for a mechanical
[3:51:33] CPR
[3:51:35] device
[3:51:37] um all the research is coming in that
[3:51:40] early CPR early good CPR
[3:51:45] increases survival rate for the patient
[3:51:48] anywhere is from double to
[3:51:51] triple and if ween it the device it's
[3:51:56] mechanical you set it up and it's
[3:51:59] precise we as as humans we're not
[3:52:01] precise right our depth can change our
[3:52:04] rate can change when we're moving the
[3:52:07] patient you stop CPR and all the
[3:52:11] research shows once you start CPR you
[3:52:13] don't stop because once you stop it
[3:52:17] lowers the circulation rate and you have
[3:52:20] to work that much harder to get it back
[3:52:22] up there so this device once it's in
[3:52:25] place will continue CPR from the time
[3:52:28] where we start with that patient to the
[3:52:30] time we deliver that patient to the
[3:52:32] hospital or or pulses are returned it
[3:52:37] is it will really add to the quality of
[3:52:40] what we do so that's Incorporated in in
[3:52:43] the monitors
[3:52:46] $800,000 questions how many
[3:52:51] managers
[3:52:53] 10 I think 10 I can get you that answer
[3:52:56] I think
[3:52:58] [Music]
[3:53:05] it's any question so if you can speak to
[3:53:08] that is that done in Li of a person
[3:53:11] sorry are you saying that's done in Li
[3:53:13] of having a person doing doing that will
[3:53:15] you still need someone monitoring that
[3:53:17] device or is that something you can put
[3:53:19] on and then you would know absently that is continuing on those important
[3:53:24] well once we yeah not really a set in
[3:53:27] for that you apply it you're not going
[3:53:29] to go go to the
[3:53:31] bathro stop on along the way um it has
[3:53:36] to be monitored but it it free up
[3:53:39] someone to now that is working and now
[3:53:42] maybe I can start an IV maybe I can call
[3:53:43] a do or I start with
[3:53:46] medications um it
[3:53:48] does it's more precise it's more
[3:53:51] efficient and it allows someone to do
[3:53:55] other important things thank Chief yes
[3:53:59] any other question
[3:54:00] chief chief thank you for
[3:54:03] presentation thank you to your
[3:54:05] department keeping us safe appreciate it
[3:54:08] thank you
[3:54:10] for thank you you
[3:54:12] ready want
[3:54:15] [Music]
[3:54:19] challenge is
[3:54:23] [Music]
[3:54:30] on had would
[3:54:36] be
[3:54:38] [Music]
[3:54:39] power so we just know
[3:54:46] [Music]
[3:54:50] yeah so that will be paid starting on
[3:54:52] page um
[3:54:56] 19 um right at the bottom of page 18 and
[3:54:59] into
[3:55:03] 19 byebye thank
[3:55:05] [Music]
[3:55:08] you ready go ahead give us an overview
[3:55:11] and then we'll pass quick overview
[3:55:14] police count a3120 through a
[3:55:17] 3123 also a 3320 and a
[3:55:21] 3510 the police department increased by
[3:55:23] approximately
[3:55:25] 3.25% uh there's the PBA Union
[3:55:27] negotiated uh contract uh has been
[3:55:31] negotiated be effect stting
[3:55:34] 2025 um one key aspect of that the
[3:55:38] retirement they had got 34e and that's
[3:55:41] contributing to about 1.2 million
[3:55:43] increase are
[3:55:50] retired
[3:55:52] okay chief hand it over to who is taking
[3:55:55] the
[3:55:57] lead on
[3:55:59] the okay so we'll just go to public um
[3:56:01] police Administration and just on page
[3:56:04] bottom of 80 into 90 and we'll just roll
[3:56:07] with it any question ask the Chiefs you
[3:56:10] want a brief overview of the department
[3:56:12] now or later or not at
[3:56:17] all yeah we can can want to do that yeah
[3:56:20] we ask yeah you can do that overall you
[3:56:22] know well we're talking that' be perfect
[3:56:24] yes yeah so that's be good it in here
[3:56:29] yeah each of the each of the um police
[3:56:33] Administration you just talk what is
[3:56:35] happening and then we'll address any
[3:56:38] um H items that needs to be address so is the question do you want to give
[3:56:43] us overview or not is it a question yeah it will be an overview for each of
[3:56:49] the sections as we're going through it
[3:56:52] he I was just going to give you some
[3:56:54] statistic that I can add because we kind
[3:56:56] of have done that with every other
[3:56:57] department right I kind of started with
[3:56:59] an overview of every
[3:57:01] other I can do it I can do it that way
[3:57:04] let's do it that's three minutes wasted
[3:57:08] go ahead if you want F yeah go so so
[3:57:12] we're going to start off with the
[3:57:13] administration yes yeah right so in the
[3:57:15] administration this year we are
[3:57:18] requesting that we uh remove a
[3:57:22] ips3 um it's been vacant for two or 3
[3:57:25] years and with that we're requesting one
[3:57:28] of our threes go to a four take over
[3:57:30] some other duties um so other than that
[3:57:33] everything else stays the same in the uh
[3:57:36] police Administration so we went from 22
[3:57:39] and2 bodies down to 21 and2 bodies is
[3:57:42] the quest and all those raises are the
[3:57:46] 1.75% which covers the 3 and half%
[3:57:49] throughout the year raise that's so what
[3:57:51] is the fs3 go to uh one ips3 disappears
[3:57:56] and one ips3 goes to an
[3:57:58] ips4 okay so one you just Lo getting rid
[3:58:02] of the position yes ma'am okay and in
[3:58:05] that we in that line we also uh reduced
[3:58:08] our police chaplain line down to 2500
[3:58:10] which is what it originally was for our
[3:58:12] police chaplain this siphon that we gave
[3:58:15] to the volunteers um that went away cuz
[3:58:17] that was
[3:58:19] arpa that was arpa and it was the fire
[3:58:21] department went up 20% you guys went
[3:58:24] down a lot in the chap line yeah so he
[3:58:27] still funding it
[3:58:29] for father car fire department he cost
[3:58:32] more I know he's got a
[3:58:35] yeah so the person is I mean I guess you
[3:58:40] haven't told him yet that I mean I some
[3:58:44] like wondering how how you do that like
[3:58:46] you went from so so the one chapl that's
[3:58:50] going to get to 2500 already received
[3:58:52] 2500 the other was for other chapain
[3:58:54] that we had we had another group of them
[3:58:56] we receiving um I think it was must have
[3:59:01] been uh maybe less than a thousand a
[3:59:04] year okay and then we have uh let them
[3:59:07] know that we were not going to be
[3:59:07] continue again so less people to pray
[3:59:10] yes well we're still maintaining the
[3:59:12] program there's not as sment
[3:59:16] Sor good job all right well
[3:59:19] I'll you you want to continue on all the
[3:59:22] way to the end of our Administration and
[3:59:25] then we'll open for any
[3:59:26] questions okay next p page
[3:59:33] [Music]
[3:59:38] 20 next
[3:59:43] thing
[3:59:46] 203 oh yeah one yes uh so 203 the public
[3:59:50] safety equipment
[3:59:51] software that's the big number um that
[3:59:54] is our axon software so when the origin
[3:59:58] was brought to the
[4:00:01] council would be about two to three
[4:00:03] years worth of payments um spend about
[4:00:07] three and a half years that we've been
[4:00:08] able to do out of our budget and rant
[4:00:11] work and this year we're requesting
[4:00:15] 265 the total balance every year is
[4:00:18] 488,000 so next year um that a little
[4:00:22] closer to 488,000 where we have a little
[4:00:25] bit of remaining grant funds um that we
[4:00:29] have stashed away that we can cover off
[4:00:31] the rest of that don't be saying that to
[4:00:33] the council stashed away it it is sit
[4:00:37] away for the to cover the remainder of
[4:00:40] the 488 but then next in 202 we will
[4:00:44] need the full full 400 488,000 in
[4:00:50] 2026
[4:00:52] and can we
[4:00:54] Outreach we would like to have more in
[4:00:57] that line like department is
[4:01:00] receiving I was going to ask that
[4:01:02] question as why 5,000 on this line I
[4:01:04] would like to see that line even
[4:01:07] discussing this I would like to see the
[4:01:08] line go back to match with the fire
[4:01:10] department we only lower it to to to be
[4:01:13] the request to try to turn the
[4:01:15] bud 20,000 nothing6 $160 million bud so
[4:01:22] we I would I think publicly recommend
[4:01:25] this fa that we need to match today
[4:01:27] because they're doing a lot of work in
[4:01:28] the community and to help sponsor local
[4:01:31] um events within our community to spread
[4:01:33] awareness and to the alre that we talked
[4:01:37] about during our police reform that so
[4:01:39] Bridge a gap and the reason why the
[4:01:42] money was allocated was one of the the
[4:01:43] was a main reason and the rest of the
[4:01:46] lines are they're the same or we trimmed
[4:01:48] from last year that's down the line we
[4:01:50] recognize as a tough year we looked to
[4:01:52] see what we were spending and what we
[4:01:55] didn't need to spend um so we chopped
[4:01:57] them down a little bit not much but
[4:01:59] there was a few lines were 5,000
[4:02:02] 20,000 um
[4:02:07] 2,000 so just to be just to be clear
[4:02:11] that so it's 402b it's that because you
[4:02:13] didn't spend that much money that no we
[4:02:16] spend we were when we were going through
[4:02:18] the budget we had a we were requested
[4:02:20] that we chop some of our money and that
[4:02:24] was El who
[4:02:26] [Music]
[4:02:30] child I definitely would support I mean
[4:02:33] that was that was the only that was the
[4:02:34] only question I had for the whole police
[4:02:36] budget years Outreach the impact and the
[4:02:39] success stories so we want to continue
[4:02:41] that with the partnership with the th
[4:02:43] Department
[4:02:44] and to provide a resource that is needed
[4:02:47] yeah and
[4:02:50] yeah for
[4:02:56] it I'm going to make sure we're all
[4:02:58] together
[4:03:02] [Music]
[4:03:07] on it's it's in your budget but it's a
[4:03:09] zero out line and I understand that you
[4:03:10] already have the training though um for2
[4:03:14] 402c the anti-racism training I see
[4:03:16] there's no money there but my I was told
[4:03:18] that you had that training by some by
[4:03:21] that Grom yes underr underground yes we
[4:03:25] did have it um everyone in the
[4:03:26] department was trained and that was a
[4:03:30] one
[4:03:31] time2 in 2024 sorry we were training in
[4:03:35] 2024 it was funds that uh you dve Us in
[4:03:38] 2023 that we rolled over in 2024 so
[4:03:42] there I think there might actually be
[4:03:44] the last one just happened um last one
[4:03:46] or two months ago so so the training is
[4:03:47] finished training finished so there's no future
[4:03:50] um currently there's no future um
[4:03:54] training go ahead please uh line
[4:03:57] uh
[4:03:59] 404c County dispatch so I mean is each
[4:04:03] County um uh assessed on how many calls
[4:04:06] come in just
[4:04:08] one that's the fire department and the
[4:04:10] police department that's everyone um
[4:04:12] this year it went up 2% % from last year
[4:04:15] um typically it's been going up roughly
[4:04:17] 2% well they have to be paying adj at
[4:04:20] the end of the year too depend number oh
[4:04:22] is it so that's that's like the base
[4:04:24] figure 2% increase and then it gets
[4:04:26] adjusted at the end and sorry to say the
[4:04:28] last couple years is more I believe
[4:04:31] we're like
[4:04:33] 50 I think we 50% of the budget over
[4:04:38] there um I can look that up if you need
[4:04:40] it but no I wonder if that was how we we
[4:04:43] were yes we're roughly
[4:04:45] 50% of the
[4:04:51] whole thank you a couple years ago we
[4:04:55] had talked about priority calls and to
[4:04:57] reduce the number of calls topat and
[4:04:59] take that Poli that is that still viable
[4:05:03] we've been doing that yeah we've been
[4:05:05] doing that we have we have a
[4:05:08] call what we call call screen call
[4:05:10] screener now that so we will take
[4:05:13] somebody that's maybe injured on duty um
[4:05:16] and utilize them to do be a call
[4:05:17] screener so any pending call that's
[4:05:19] sitting there we call they hand over the
[4:05:21] phone okay so they may reducing call of
[4:05:24] service that way and the Drone is the
[4:05:26] next gate of that is to to start
[4:05:28] utilizing then
[4:05:32] we we'll say it now we've been doing it
[4:05:34] for the last month we've been doing a
[4:05:36] pilot of the Drone use on top of Sumit
[4:05:39] Towers we've already started clearing
[4:05:41] out some calls so police officers don't
[4:05:43] have to go there so we won't get our
[4:05:45] full equipment that we purchased until
[4:05:47] the end of the year so we're using our
[4:05:49] old equipment and we're also limited by
[4:05:52] uh line of sight you have that a person
[4:05:54] watching the air the the aircraft once
[4:05:57] we get our radar solution um which we
[4:06:00] can talk about in the
[4:06:01] capital and the FAA allows us to we'll
[4:06:04] be able to go beyond visual line of
[4:06:06] sight and be able to fly that drone
[4:06:09] basically wherever we need it to go a
[4:06:12] ously from the police
[4:06:14] and that leading to
[4:06:16] um Corporation Council so um in terms of
[4:06:21] we did have a discussion in terms of
[4:06:23] legislation for the
[4:06:24] Drone is there any movement on that are
[4:06:28] we still in the words it's in the works
[4:06:30] um we have been looking at it um in the
[4:06:32] office as well as policy so uh we can
[4:06:35] update you at the next committee meeting
[4:06:38] yes and the reason why I asked because I
[4:06:40] want to make sure that you know protect
[4:06:42] the police department from anything
[4:06:43] liability out there because it's a new
[4:06:45] technology out there make sure you have
[4:06:48] the protection that we need to act on
[4:06:50] doing constantly to act doing anything
[4:06:52] to change the legislation we need to do
[4:06:54] that as you roll this out we we have
[4:06:57] this there as you know protecting the
[4:07:00] police department Miss is working
[4:07:05] on yeah I don't know if it's going to be
[4:07:07] legislation or policy
[4:07:11] review I thought we stuff that we want
[4:07:14] to just make sure that that we what Mr
[4:07:16] o'ri said we could make sure that we
[4:07:18] were within we weren't violating
[4:07:19] anybody's rights or a privacy when we
[4:07:23] were that's what he said he was going to
[4:07:24] be looking at right with the drones
[4:07:26] because I understand it's not your
[4:07:28] intention but yeah we'll have in our
[4:07:30] policy that the drum camera stays up
[4:07:32] until it reaches its location before it
[4:07:34] comes down so if it's flying over
[4:07:36] somebody's yard that where they have an
[4:07:38] expectation of privacy it will not be
[4:07:40] recording
[4:07:44] you U go please it's on page 19 line
[4:07:50] a3120 1114 un vacation so it seems to be
[4:07:56] up and then down and up and then down so
[4:07:58] next year should we anticipate an upe or
[4:08:00] can we just explain why it's that's
[4:08:04] retirement re re we look at our senior
[4:08:07] list when people can retire and then we
[4:08:08] kind of have a feel out who's going to
[4:08:10] retire um some people are very vocal and
[4:08:13] let us s they leaving other people kind
[4:08:15] of hide it to last minute but um the in
[4:08:19] that was ASB currently there's nobody I
[4:08:23] think there's only two of the people are
[4:08:24] eligible for retirement and they told us
[4:08:26] they're not going to
[4:08:26] [Music]
[4:08:28] retire have time on
[4:08:30] [Music]
[4:08:31] yet and actually the people later on
[4:08:34] going back and further the ISB there's
[4:08:36] going to be the three they're leaving
[4:08:38] and we did a mock what the buy out would
[4:08:41] be already so we could see what it was
[4:08:43] and if we could
[4:08:45] accurately that thanks any other
[4:08:49] question go ahead please um on page 20
[4:08:51] though um back to 20 on the inservice
[4:08:53] training
[4:08:55] 31246 um it's down by like
[4:08:58] 25,000 um is that going to be enough
[4:09:03] or So currently we don't have any
[4:09:06] planned large scale um in service
[4:09:09] training sorry so we do have some um and
[4:09:12] we actually have
[4:09:13] one that we do every year that's a uh a
[4:09:17] countywide joint one and we uh just
[4:09:21] submitted the request yesterday to be
[4:09:23] able to use we have $16,000 in Grant
[4:09:25] fund for training and we requested that
[4:09:28] we use this for that training so that
[4:09:29] would kind of make up for part of it
[4:09:31] gotcha
[4:09:33] it's security has to approve it because
[4:09:35] it's not third see but uh we have to
[4:09:38] submit it I think it's 3 or four months
[4:09:41] in advance and the training would be in
[4:09:42] April so
[4:09:44] we we feel need the guidelines that they
[4:09:46] require us to okay thank
[4:09:49] you any other question go ahead please
[4:09:52] um so on a31 2465 maintenance contracts
[4:09:58] what what maintenance contracts that c
[4:10:02] yes list of
[4:10:10] [Music]
[4:10:11] here so r is we have a clear which is
[4:10:15] investigative software our Northeast is
[4:10:18] which is our in building phone system
[4:10:21] celebrate uh another detective software
[4:10:25] called Casper uh Baron which is our
[4:10:27] radio maintenance Lexa PA is our policy
[4:10:30] maintenance Ricky fingerprint service
[4:10:33] polium our Cad and ours vendor I'm sorry
[4:10:36] it's our um the RMS
[4:10:38] vender uh portion of our
[4:10:40] e software um our Adobe guarding
[4:10:45] Alliance Cliffs are internal
[4:10:48] cameras our Beast software which the
[4:10:50] evidence Tex use Verizon IBM Harris cor
[4:10:55] Higher Ground um a minor portion of Aon
[4:10:59] is coming out of there and potentially
[4:11:02] The Brak drones in the future as well
[4:11:04] need be once the uh gr RS
[4:11:07] out and have question it's hidden in the
[4:11:11] fold but the public uh public half of
[4:11:14] the commission of Public Safety with
[4:11:15] then your administrative budget as well
[4:11:17] the other half is in the fire yes ma'am
[4:11:19] yes 50% on ours
[4:11:23] % he's on 18 AG 18 AG 18
[4:11:27] yes there was a a 3%
[4:11:31] ra any other question on page
[4:11:35] 20 I mve to page 21 and that will be
[4:11:39] police F service be so on the top there
[4:11:43] the it looks like we have an exra
[4:11:44] Lieutenant but it's not we just moved
[4:11:46] that from ISB so you'll see the ISB went
[4:11:50] down lieutenant and we just moved it
[4:11:52] here the money is the same just for um
[4:11:55] operational need we moved it from one
[4:11:58] spot to another spot other than that the
[4:12:00] numbers um are not
[4:12:04] changing same question to anony the arpa
[4:12:08] allocation for step one step two are
[4:12:11] these fully funded by arpa
[4:12:13] no if not can you please uh May separate
[4:12:17] that get separate them and by tomorrow
[4:12:19] night we'll have all new budgets for you
[4:12:22] thank thank you sry go ahead that's the
[4:12:26] T one special police officer we're
[4:12:28] adding $110,000 of the ones that work
[4:12:29] over here in City Hall they just been
[4:12:31] covering more meetings and doing
[4:12:33] different things so we just asked for
[4:12:34] there's no rate increase the same amount
[4:12:37] of officers just to cover more events
[4:12:40] that they're working here the overtime
[4:12:44] we're requesting slight more than what
[4:12:46] Grant to us this
[4:12:48] year
[4:12:50] and the holiday P everything else
[4:12:55] go overtime has increased due to the
[4:12:57] fact of the r
[4:12:59] that the raise is
[4:13:01] 1.75% onever so takes and Fates June 1st
[4:13:05] it's 3 and a half% starting June 1st or
[4:13:09] July 1st July 1 July 1 so the second
[4:13:12] half at a312 2112 yes I just want to
[4:13:17] note that UMR year to date that Police
[4:13:21] Department a
[4:13:23] 98.2% there's 112,000 I as of today that
[4:13:27] will definitely go work
[4:13:34] between CHR Christmas Peri will be 30
[4:13:39] [Music]
[4:13:41] something, this
[4:13:43] AA
[4:13:45] 4122 page 21 at the bottom right at the
[4:13:48] bottom oh okay
[4:13:51] overtime
[4:13:54] yes any questions on
[4:13:57] page you just want to complete complete
[4:13:59] the next page
[4:14:03] ask going down to uh the Poli
[4:14:07] investigation line no no no just
[4:14:09] p and then we'll ask question any
[4:14:12] additional question move into police
[4:14:14] investigation over time say the same the
[4:14:16] temp siphon that's the fire department
[4:14:19] um that's their team their medic work
[4:14:22] with our SWOT team so they they create
[4:14:25] the budget we just put half in ours and
[4:14:26] half in others that's their request okay
[4:14:31] open for question on police field
[4:14:32] service
[4:14:34] be
[4:14:35] no any additional
[4:14:38] questions so if the county is now
[4:14:40] running the parade then um
[4:14:43] why are
[4:14:45] we why you why aren't they paying you
[4:14:47] for that they do I believe they never
[4:14:50] did and then this year they they they
[4:14:52] gave us I think $30,000 to cover summer
[4:14:56] night and and the parade um it's not
[4:14:59] even a fraction what
[4:15:01] the that's better than nothing they were
[4:15:04] for a while that's nothing they came out
[4:15:06] our
[4:15:08] budgeters
[4:15:10] yeah yeah when it was ours but it's
[4:15:13] theirs now and we need every we
[4:15:16] compensate everybody else we need to be
[4:15:19] able to get some of that compensation
[4:15:20] back so I think I don't know who's who
[4:15:24] start that conversation
[4:15:26] but are are we ready start that
[4:15:28] conversation I think it would have to be
[4:15:30] it wouldn't be I I remember this from a
[4:15:32] few years back right I mean it's not
[4:15:34] these guys it would be um I'm not asking
[4:15:37] no I I'm
[4:15:38] not it would have to it would have to be
[4:15:41] a collabor collaboration between us and
[4:15:43] the mayor to kind of you know talk to
[4:15:46] the county and try to see if we can get
[4:15:49] some
[4:15:50] additional yeah in terms of that yeah
[4:15:52] 330,000
[4:15:54] uh yeah is something that we can we can
[4:15:57] address additional Revenue it's a good year to probably address it with
[4:16:01] it's upon all of us to get involved and
[4:16:04] to bring more Revenue okay let's let's
[4:16:06] do it while they still have their arpa
[4:16:08] funding as well no I'm not kidding
[4:16:10] though I know it sounds funny but I mean
[4:16:12] they all right Let's uh let's move on
[4:16:14] anyway go ahead please so there are many
[4:16:16] events in the city where the police
[4:16:18] right you guys are out there and um the the uh whoever holding the events
[4:16:24] aren't paying for any type of police at
[4:16:27] their events I mean there
[4:16:28] AR what do you think you spend on
[4:16:31] different events throughout the city um
[4:16:34] where does that come
[4:16:37] right you get paid for some of ston
[4:16:40] reimburses us the Stockon we do get paid
[4:16:43] for that okay but we um that goes in our
[4:16:46] Revenue line nice but we for the uh
[4:16:51] Christmas the Christmas parade the
[4:16:52] holiday parade and the summer night
[4:16:55] that's this year there was money given
[4:16:57] back yeah
[4:17:00] 30 we
[4:17:04] spend that would be good to know how
[4:17:06] much spent how much you would reimburse
[4:17:08] you have
[4:17:14] well it's not only just the police
[4:17:15] department bar
[4:17:17] Department oh yeah departments that
[4:17:20] possibly reimb par parks department for
[4:17:24] events in the park all the events in the
[4:17:29] park 2023 we spent
[4:17:32] 33,8 56 on summer night that was last
[4:17:36] year this this year I can I can get all
[4:17:39] those numbers we I have them I just
[4:17:41] don't want to take that all your time
[4:17:43] actually the 20 2024 summer night was
[4:17:46] 28134 2023 holiday parade was
[4:17:49] 30,500 parade did you the parade the
[4:17:53] parade uh the parade last year was
[4:17:57] 30,500 and the summer night this year
[4:17:59] was
[4:18:00] [Music]
[4:18:01] 2813 and the Stockon is 11,200 but they
[4:18:05] reimbursed they reur you in
[4:18:07] full they reimbursed you in full I
[4:18:10] believe they reur Us in full yes 11,24
[4:18:13] .97 in
[4:18:15] 2023 what about events over in the park
[4:18:17] like music mement I mean those things
[4:18:19] are all I mean there's a couple of
[4:18:21] officers on duty are they private or
[4:18:25] they pay them
[4:18:27] yeah so just to be clear then we people
[4:18:31] can hire your guys even though they get
[4:18:33] to wear the uniform but they're hired
[4:18:34] they hire them separately
[4:18:37] like we essentially they get to wear
[4:18:39] their uniform but they're really not on
[4:18:40] the clock with you I don't they have the the polo shirts with the
[4:18:48] um the police they're definitely
[4:18:50] identified as police officers but to
[4:18:52] your point yes um they can wear uniforms
[4:18:54] and get paid privately okay thank
[4:18:58] you but not not at all events specific
[4:19:02] has to be specific events they have to
[4:19:05] be approved by me okay which ones what
[4:19:07] they're allowed and typically won't
[4:19:10] allow everything can't work in a bar
[4:19:14] give me
[4:19:14] [Music]
[4:19:15] a that's why I asked go ahead please I
[4:19:19] say would even help like future councils
[4:19:21] at least for me is having a breakdown of
[4:19:23] what that overtime encompasses CU if it
[4:19:25] is like event overtime I think that's a
[4:19:27] distinction that is
[4:19:30] valid and you get reimbursed for Val
[4:19:33] right that's and before we have the
[4:19:35] conversation but not to say we do that
[4:19:37] now but I think it's at least worth
[4:19:38] having a conversation if you would like
[4:19:41] at one time Chach person I can uh come
[4:19:44] in and speak to you about we have like
[4:19:46] 30 or 40 different or man codes and it
[4:19:49] breaks it down some of this
[4:19:51] investigations like I can tell you one
[4:19:52] investigation last year cost like
[4:19:54] $50,000 so I can break it down as far as
[4:19:58] what they are sometimes sometimes it's
[4:20:00] so close so tight I can't we can't but
[4:20:03] you can get a really good picture of
[4:20:04] what it looks like if we I appr thank
[4:20:06] you I think especially the overtime when
[4:20:08] it's events and if we're if it's coming
[4:20:10] out of like Christmas
[4:20:13] the summer night and you know it's
[4:20:15] coming out of our budget and it's an
[4:20:17] event
[4:20:19] yes it it's gets real complicated as far
[4:20:23] as you can get into the weeds with this
[4:20:26] like Patrol over time could have like
[4:20:29] just as an example for our give Grant
[4:20:31] has $35,000 worth of Patrol over time
[4:20:35] which comes out of that 2.4 million and
[4:20:38] then it's part of the full Grant give
[4:20:41] Grant Revenue salaries and everything
[4:20:44] but it also includes the
[4:20:45] $35,000 that's part of the revenue but
[4:20:48] we spend it out of here and then we
[4:20:49] spend another $35,000 investigation over
[4:20:52] time on the give Grant that's reimbursed
[4:20:54] so a lot of Grants well not a lot but
[4:20:56] many grants reimburse over
[4:20:59] time it's very hard for us to be able to
[4:21:03] we can give you a breakdown of what
[4:21:05] where they're
[4:21:06] exp all right any other question on fuel
[4:21:09] service see none we move to uh bot I
[4:21:12] kind of did have a question but it's
[4:21:14] probably more about Revenue because you
[4:21:15] talked about grants so that just
[4:21:17] triggers um so are all the grants that
[4:21:19] you receed shown up on Revenue Lines
[4:21:22] within our revenue is every single grant
[4:21:25] that you receive to do everything that's
[4:21:27] in your budget are they shown no revenue
[4:21:30] on I know because I know you apply for a
[4:21:32] lot of Grants yes I believe um unless
[4:21:35] it's a onetime thing that we're not used
[4:21:37] to getting that I believe those are all
[4:21:40] in our um budg line
[4:21:46] some grants are on a specific Grant Line
[4:21:49] like an where it's not in it's not not
[4:21:52] charged here it's charged to a grant
[4:21:55] budget not charged
[4:21:58] to our give Grant is on there um I would
[4:22:02] think that like the one that's not on
[4:22:04] here we recently got last year was uh
[4:22:07] $75,000 for the basically the SWAT te
[4:22:10] that one was not on we getting it that
[4:22:12] was a a surprise to us the one that I
[4:22:15] know that lieuten Wiki was here the
[4:22:17] other night he came here for the traffic
[4:22:20] safety Grant
[4:22:22] that's
[4:22:25] um vest Pro vest the not
[4:22:34] on here's a cop
[4:22:36] gr yeah the cop Sprint that's that one's
[4:22:39] on there the actually our equipment like
[4:22:42] we got one for gym equipment that one
[4:22:44] wasn't on there that was and then the
[4:22:46] other one that's not on there is
[4:22:48] um we received one for grants for our uh
[4:22:52] a new firearm upgrade last year firearm
[4:22:56] fer stuff like that it was just given us
[4:22:58] from DCJS that's not
[4:23:00] theology
[4:23:03] technology so my concern is that there's
[4:23:06] grants that that aren't showing up
[4:23:08] however it's showing up in the cost line
[4:23:10] so no no they were given pay codes so
[4:23:14] separ separate from so we we have the
[4:23:16] funds we get um from from M far team we
[4:23:20] get a code and that doesn't show up on
[4:23:22] the regular budget it shows up separ it
[4:23:24] shows it's a grant grode you like so we
[4:23:27] won't see the V on here because separate
[4:23:30] Grant those are separate grants that are
[4:23:33] is not in there you don't see the
[4:23:35] revenue because send a gr fund Grant
[4:23:39] fund yeah gotcha and my other question
[4:23:41] is about the um I forgot what you call
[4:23:44] it when you take people's money what you
[4:23:47] call forfeiture asset forfeiture yes um
[4:23:51] and so I know that it can only be spent
[4:23:53] on specific things so does any of the uh
[4:23:57] asset forfeiture at all get spent we
[4:24:00] have not spent any since at least two
[4:24:03] years or so
[4:24:06] um and I can look to see what we have in
[4:24:09] there I know that it it flow on want we
[4:24:12] have $34,000 in the other one I think
[4:24:16] there is um over 100,000 but I'm not I'm
[4:24:20] not sure that was from this
[4:24:22] year's you're not getting as regular as
[4:24:24] you used to be we don't get and of stop
[4:24:28] typ program some of the money we just
[4:24:30] got was from 2013 so it was it takes
[4:24:33] quite a while for it to clear it out and
[4:24:36] but if we have that asset fores is
[4:24:38] there's nothing in our budget that we
[4:24:39] can spend something some of it on I I
[4:24:42] know it's specific but there's
[4:24:43] absolutely nothing I know in the past we support like
[4:24:47] $440,000 a year out of it but we have't
[4:24:50] done that quite a while so I can work
[4:24:52] with the chief commissioner on that I
[4:24:54] don't know enough about what we can and
[4:24:56] can't spend on I know we I'm not sure
[4:24:57] there's a l if you can't plan from what
[4:25:00] some in the budget but I don't I just
[4:25:02] don't understand I don't know if that
[4:25:04] would be spending or if we're allowed to
[4:25:05] use that for you might be able to use it
[4:25:07] for certain investigations maybe now you
[4:25:09] can't use it for invations it's like
[4:25:11] purchasing of you know Police Supplies
[4:25:13] and stuff and you can buy equipment
[4:25:15] things so so that makes sense to me that
[4:25:18] would be it if there's if there's things
[4:25:20] that we can use it for this if you have
[4:25:23] 100,000 I guess I
[4:25:25] think I think I don't know I'll top my
[4:25:28] head said Che he said he would check
[4:25:31] into it let's please we got we got to
[4:25:33] finish this off so um if if you could
[4:25:36] look at that if there's something that
[4:25:38] you know if you have that money there it
[4:25:39] can be spent and I know it's maybe a
[4:25:41] smaller amount but we're we we got to
[4:25:44] cover every base we can so can you get
[4:25:47] that to the council at some point in
[4:25:52] time no that's what I was just saying he
[4:25:54] said he would check into it any any
[4:25:57] other
[4:25:58] questions on on F service for that no if
[4:26:04] not I'm not familiar with What U Miss
[4:26:07] pfield was what is that money it comes
[4:26:09] from the se's assets so um cases that
[4:26:12] involved sometimes drugs or just cases
[4:26:15] that somebody has money you're not
[4:26:16] supposed to have and then it goes
[4:26:18] through the whole court and sometimes
[4:26:20] the Court gives some of it back and
[4:26:22] usually you know the cases we get some
[4:26:24] so our guys that work on task forces
[4:26:26] they'll say you get you know 8% of
[4:26:28] whatever the for your amount is and then
[4:26:31] it takes you know we had from 2013 so it
[4:26:35] took 11 years for us to get the money
[4:26:37] eventually the de just got it the only the only thing I'm going to say
[4:26:40] about that is that our seed assets we
[4:26:43] typically have them part of our budget
[4:26:44] planning process so where we might be
[4:26:47] saving for piece of equipment that we
[4:26:50] didn't put in for a capital request
[4:26:51] because we were saving for so okay so
[4:26:55] that so when you identify how much you
[4:26:57] have then you might want to just go back
[4:26:59] and see if you have anything that
[4:27:01] is equipment
[4:27:03] [Music]
[4:27:05] toe yes perfect um next if no further
[4:27:09] question we'll move into police
[4:27:10] investigation the bottom of page
[4:27:14] 22 that shows the subraction of the
[4:27:17] lieutenant subtraction because
[4:27:19] Lieutenant to the uh
[4:27:22] investig investigator inv to
[4:27:26] the
[4:27:33] and it's still 52 keep going all the way to page 233
[4:27:42] [Music]
[4:27:44] investigation
[4:27:45] question okay oh go ahead please so do
[4:27:49] crime analysts do you share them with
[4:27:51] the county is this yours is the person
[4:27:53] belong to you and the police department
[4:27:55] these are ours so we have three crime so
[4:27:58] we have the director and we have two
[4:28:01] others those there are one of them is
[4:28:04] stationed in Albany at the AL C um the
[4:28:07] AL the AL crime analysis centers okay um
[4:28:11] but she works for the city and she only
[4:28:13] does work for us even though she's over
[4:28:15] there no she can do work for other
[4:28:16] agencies as well while she's there she
[4:28:18] can she does primarily ours but there's
[4:28:21] a team of I'm not sure how many there
[4:28:23] are six or eight over there that will
[4:28:24] work on something for conected even if
[4:28:26] she's needed she'll work on something
[4:28:28] for another agency as well Shar service
[4:28:30] yeah shared services is also shared
[4:28:32] costs uh no so we pay for just her
[4:28:36] everyone else pays for their own whoever
[4:28:38] supplies one and then the um CER has
[4:28:41] their own budget as well for several
[4:28:44] people I think they're actually in Aly
[4:28:46] police departments police station so I
[4:28:48] that they I think they have two officers
[4:28:50] or two analysts assigned to it and I
[4:28:53] don't know how many po there are but you
[4:28:55] know there's a new facility over there
[4:28:57] we just pay her
[4:28:58] [Music]
[4:29:00] salary we pay her Sal but she has the
[4:29:02] office in allice Yes and she'll come
[4:29:04] back here as well youit of that
[4:29:07] intelligence yeah that's I was going to
[4:29:08] say prob because they did that while ago
[4:29:12] is it similar to like the comp crime
[4:29:14] task force or very Sim similar yeah so
[4:29:19] perhaps it's cases where you know it
[4:29:22] goes beyond SKC it might be like they're
[4:29:24] working as a team to look at I I don't
[4:29:27] know I mean other words it might be
[4:29:29] something where somebody from Troy and
[4:29:31] somebody from yeah so and somebody from
[4:29:33] maybe it's all like working together on
[4:29:35] this crime I mean they do that as well
[4:29:38] as um I know like we have our we have
[4:29:39] certain reports that she works on our
[4:29:41] report 14 or she's there and she has
[4:29:43] access to other technologies that we
[4:29:45] don't have um and she's learned a lot
[4:29:48] while she's over there too actually cuz
[4:29:49] she's there's more people more
[4:29:51] techniques more technology that she's
[4:29:53] able to get for but we are under no we
[4:29:56] no contract we're not set there so if
[4:29:58] the chief ever felt that she'd be more
[4:30:00] beneficial to be just in house we can
[4:30:02] pull her back tomorrow and there's no no
[4:30:04] agreement in place we're free to utilize
[4:30:07] their services without giving them an
[4:30:09] asset um but the we're the second
[4:30:12] highest utilization behind all the
[4:30:14] police department there um so I just
[4:30:17] felt it was right to give them the extra
[4:30:19] body and she's dedicated to us and they
[4:30:21] also have a dedicated supervisor for us
[4:30:24] so they they do a lot of work for us our
[4:30:26] investigators save a lot of time doing
[4:30:29] workups on people because they'll just
[4:30:31] send them over there they'll do it I
[4:30:33] they go and hit the streets they have to
[4:30:35] do
[4:30:36] so one one thing I want to not on page
[4:30:40] 22 you look at police officer
[4:30:42] investigator went 35 to 36 that was
[4:30:46] because last year we made a mistake the
[4:30:49] state gave us a grant for a non-fatal
[4:30:51] shooting investigator that was fully
[4:30:53] funded and the grant came right around
[4:30:56] budget time and we did not increase it
[4:30:58] last year but we got the revenues last
[4:31:00] year so this year we just corrected
[4:31:03] it so the police
[4:31:06] officer yes 35 to 36 I see not it's like
[4:31:12] the third thing the one body that you
[4:31:14] third thing up from the bottom of the
[4:31:15] sheet okay you went up 36 okay any other
[4:31:19] question for app Sal
[4:31:22] section we'll go into
[4:31:26] 3123 Auto
[4:31:28] [Music]
[4:31:30] compensation so the again we requesting
[4:31:33] an increase on the overtime line from
[4:31:37] 93,000 to a million um partially from
[4:31:41] the raise that they'll be receiving
[4:31:44] salary line we able to decrease the on
[4:31:48] sick leave we did increase the onuse
[4:31:50] vacation those are numbers that we
[4:31:53] forecasted out that are in planned for
[4:31:56] the at least the three retirement that I
[4:31:57] know that are
[4:31:58] coming the standby phase uh the on call
[4:32:03] detectives great that's standing same
[4:32:12] [Music]
[4:32:15] any question on
[4:32:20] this police investigation seeing none I
[4:32:24] think I conclude um the police
[4:32:27] department review we have two other
[4:32:30] section the parking and animal control
[4:32:34] and that will be on page
[4:32:37] 26
[4:32:40] parking so for the parking uh we're
[4:32:44] looking for the same amount of Staffing
[4:32:46] the rates went down a little bit just
[4:32:47] because of uh new ties um we're looking
[4:32:51] to hire actually right now we have two
[4:32:52] open vacancies and the parking meter
[4:32:54] attendance those and we have uh one and
[4:32:59] the inut processing specialist two and
[4:33:02] that is why the rate went down the same
[4:33:05] number just because they would be
[4:33:06] starting their new Step person retired
[4:33:08] previously and now the rates is a little
[4:33:10] lower because they' be starting at a
[4:33:11] lower
[4:33:13] St and the rest
[4:33:16] is since we under parking I'm going to
[4:33:19] question go ahead please so um under the
[4:33:22] administrative salar there's no increase
[4:33:24] for the Civil supervisor traffic
[4:33:27] Services I think that may be an overate
[4:33:31] I think
[4:33:33] they're
[4:33:35] CA so it's coming thank you well since
[4:33:38] we are parking and we're talking about
[4:33:40] um fees increase at
[4:33:45] asq yeah we didn't go over the we go
[4:33:47] over the re no there there's something
[4:33:49] special I want to talk about you're
[4:33:50] talking about the past few finds that
[4:33:54] the police department is is working with
[4:33:57] um
[4:33:58] agencies so kind of lock for lock of
[4:34:01] work go off to these um people who are
[4:34:02] not paying the CLS I will give a very quick you can just brief us and um
[4:34:07] if you have anything to share you can
[4:34:09] share with us a long time ago uh in
[4:34:12] 2020 the city was with a company called
[4:34:15] comp plus they switched over to
[4:34:17] passport in the meantime plus was also
[4:34:21] out by passport so from 2020 until I
[4:34:24] believe it was mid
[4:34:27] 2021 uh commissioner brought to our
[4:34:29] attention that we were receiving what we
[4:34:31] call delinquent funds which is a budget
[4:34:32] line it's a separate Revenue line so we
[4:34:35] started looking into it it took way
[4:34:37] longer than it should have um between
[4:34:39] the different companies the Law
[4:34:40] Department we finally got a contract
[4:34:43] signed with a collection agency of
[4:34:45] December of
[4:34:47] 2022 and what they do is they letters
[4:34:51] EXC and they add fees on top of the city
[4:34:53] fees so we're not paying them any money
[4:34:56] when somebody pays a delinquent ticket
[4:34:58] which it delinquent by code has to be
[4:35:00] over 6 months past when the ticket was
[4:35:02] originally due that's in the section of
[4:35:05] Fe section that we're currently working
[4:35:07] on with the uh uh Council and that uh by
[4:35:13] the time we were able to get a ticket
[4:35:15] approved and get it set through all the
[4:35:18] Motions long story short is finally
[4:35:20] about a month ago they the letter
[4:35:21] started going out so we received
[4:35:24] [Music]
[4:35:25] $54,000 of that money so far um now that
[4:35:31] letter that went out is an incorrect
[4:35:33] letter because they never they never
[4:35:35] included the extra 25% fee on there so
[4:35:39] that's not going to be our problem
[4:35:40] that's going to be their problem that's
[4:35:42] going to be their that's their problem
[4:35:43] that we're working on um but there is um
[4:35:47] s in the last roughly 6 months or sorry
[4:35:50] six weeks I think is when the letters
[4:35:52] went out 10 the week you looked it up
[4:35:54] today of tickets that were 6 months and
[4:35:57] older that were sent a collections
[4:35:59] letter is 54,000 revenue for that
[4:36:03] overall
[4:36:04] so anything that is older than roughly 3
[4:36:08] and 1/2 years has already gone to
[4:36:10] collections they already tried to
[4:36:12] collect that money in anything less than
[4:36:14] 3 years it's just starting to go up now
[4:36:17] the letters went out want to know um we
[4:36:18] be checked in that the one collection
[4:36:20] agency or passport sent to Capital
[4:36:22] recovery they had said that they just
[4:36:24] received 10,000 files so there's files
[4:36:27] lots of letters going out all over the
[4:36:28] place and hopefully this revenue is
[4:36:29] going to pick up but just to give you a
[4:36:33] little summary what we have in Revenue
[4:36:36] that is 10 years old and older so the
[4:36:38] really old money we have $2.2 million go
[4:36:42] that's money that's over 10 years old
[4:36:45] see um the money that's 30 days old is
[4:36:50] 60,000 31 to 60 days is
[4:36:53] 36,000 91 to 80 is
[4:36:56] 41 181 to one year is
[4:37:00] 193,000 one year old and older is
[4:37:03] 358,000 2 years old and older 28,000 so
[4:37:07] I can provide this to can he can share
[4:37:10] it
[4:37:13] to all of us the total yeah so we're not
[4:37:16] going to get anything L you know from
[4:37:18] older than 3 years from now so old than
[4:37:20] three years that's already been tried to
[4:37:21] collect for several years Capital
[4:37:23] recovery was doing that we may get lucky
[4:37:25] and somebody may decide to pay when they
[4:37:27] get this but that's something that's
[4:37:29] already been tried to collect and it's
[4:37:30] not
[4:37:32] there you have you have to come in you
[4:37:35] and the others who work in your team to
[4:37:37] kind of go after it it weren't going
[4:37:40] after it and see where we we are because
[4:37:41] we're not losing anything we're not
[4:37:43] paying the collection agency to do this
[4:37:45] they going to get um the 25% mark up on
[4:37:50] whatever they collect so it's a good
[4:37:52] effort $4.7
[4:37:54] million we're definitely hoping to get L
[4:37:57] of that the other op the other thing
[4:37:58] that I know we SP quickly is we do what
[4:38:01] we call scotf FL details so if you owe
[4:38:04] um I believe it's now it's more $200 and
[4:38:06] I'm sorry maybe $300 now your list gets
[4:38:09] put into our lprs and our cars and it
[4:38:11] goes around and beeps and officers will
[4:38:13] either pull a car over or if it's parked
[4:38:15] on the side of the road early hours or
[4:38:17] at night in the morning they do these
[4:38:18] details they to the car you can't get it
[4:38:20] back until you
[4:38:21] payow there's just I only pull two
[4:38:25] months worth of data um CU that's what
[4:38:27] get quickly before I came over today and
[4:38:30] some in one detail we spent $1,524 of
[4:38:34] Officer I'm that's two different details
[4:38:36] an officer's Personnel cost and we were
[4:38:39] able to retrieve 2,150
[4:38:42] of outstanding parking fees wow another
[4:38:44] time we were able to take in spent 1314
[4:38:47] and we took in
[4:38:49] 14,550 and these details are what we're
[4:38:51] doing we're doing a couple of these a
[4:38:53] month and that's why our parking fee
[4:38:56] revenue is going up right now I believe
[4:38:59] we've taken in we think we 7,000 shy or
[4:39:02] 540,000 that we had forecasted for 2024
[4:39:05] so we're going to blow that um a
[4:39:08] proportion for what we expected to take
[4:39:10] in for Revenue we're going to be than
[4:39:11] that and part of it is this these
[4:39:15] details that we're running to go after
[4:39:16] to the Scout fls so um because in terms
[4:39:21] of all
[4:39:22] the so that um make the fines that are
[4:39:26] in our Revenue budget I believe I I
[4:39:29] might have um checked in on this already
[4:39:31] but I just want to verify that these
[4:39:34] various
[4:39:35] fines uh that are police related in our
[4:39:37] Revenue budget yes do
[4:39:40] not in include yet the increases that um
[4:39:45] it does I do believe they they do
[4:39:47] include that oh they do okay that makes
[4:39:49] more sense to me I I for some reason I I thought I had asked um and they
[4:39:54] weren't included in there they said yes
[4:39:57] the answer on your said yes it was the
[4:39:59] reason why we pushed it to kind of call
[4:40:01] for the public hearing and to kind of
[4:40:03] allow the department to incorporated
[4:40:05] into the parture because it is something
[4:40:08] that we address and I don't think um
[4:40:11] we're going to hold that we're moving
[4:40:12] forward yeah no I I mean includ bu putot
[4:40:16] enforcement and um Police Department
[4:40:20] okay but we haven't yet totally voted on
[4:40:24] this yet right no on that part because
[4:40:26] there's public
[4:40:27] hearing next Monday okay and once we do
[4:40:31] that it will it will take effect January
[4:40:34] 1st 225 budet okay all right any other
[4:40:39] question on parking I go ahead please go
[4:40:43] ahead um so you said the ones that were
[4:40:45] two years the 2.2 million Mr fiz We're
[4:40:49] Never Getting that but saying
[4:40:53] that 10 years I mean you know people
[4:40:55] could be anywhere well true um but they
[4:41:00] could be still here somewhere in the
[4:41:01] Europe so is it still like if you
[4:41:04] there's a you know this thing where if
[4:41:06] you own something and you go to register
[4:41:08] your car or something like that it pops
[4:41:10] up you can't register your vehicle so
[4:41:13] none of this came up on that no so there are a few of them um that so every
[4:41:19] once in a while we do get letters from
[4:41:21] the DMV that they have to come in there
[4:41:22] to take in order to do that um usually
[4:41:25] it's the people who have their cars
[4:41:28] towed and they're they have a plate
[4:41:29] still on the car and then they can't
[4:41:31] register the new car because of the
[4:41:33] insurance laps and things like that so
[4:41:34] then they will sometimes people come
[4:41:37] into US say they lost their plates
[4:41:39] because the cars were towed then we have
[4:41:40] to get a little a little bit of a
[4:41:42] disagreement with them because we can't
[4:41:43] give a lost or stone plate because it's
[4:41:45] not lost or stone it's just we have your
[4:41:47] car you have to pay us the the fines
[4:41:49] that that you're outstanding but as far
[4:41:51] as that goes I don't know what the DMV's
[4:41:52] requirement is but I do know that um
[4:41:55] randomly we do get letters from them
[4:41:57] from people coming in that say they have
[4:41:59] to pay their bills and register their
[4:42:00] cars but I don't know what the
[4:42:02] requirements for that are there's
[4:42:04] obviously some requirement I mean do we
[4:42:06] need deeper into that so that people
[4:42:08] can't go register their car if they have
[4:42:10] this out standing debt to the city yes I
[4:42:13] don't like some if if you said 200 or
[4:42:17] 300
[4:42:18] so there's people so in order for your
[4:42:20] car to get to it's $300 right now it's
[4:42:23] set um for $300 $300 because it's I
[4:42:28] believe we worked with the last
[4:42:29] Corporation Council on that number just
[4:42:31] because it was we can we can hold it for
[4:42:34] anything for whether it's one ticket at
[4:42:37] week but because the cost of the toe
[4:42:39] they're going to pay is like $230 I
[4:42:41] think to get the car towed so we wanted
[4:42:43] to make it you know not an unreasonable
[4:42:46] number so we were towing a car for $70
[4:42:48] outstanding then you had to pay $235 to
[4:42:50] get your car back that's little if you
[4:42:53] had $300 you have either one I guess
[4:42:56] You' say major ticket that's already
[4:42:57] doubled or you have several little
[4:42:59] tickets and that's usually what it is is
[4:43:01] multiple little tickets and they've been
[4:43:03] contacted several times so it's a
[4:43:06] little um easier to swallow I guess for
[4:43:09] your car if knowing that you have
[4:43:11] multiple tickets that
[4:43:13] you the reason why you to say Vehicles
[4:43:15] over 10 years old we're not going to get
[4:43:17] it most of these vehicles have are off
[4:43:19] the road uh they've been crushed uh you
[4:43:23] know mostly are gone or plates that you
[4:43:25] know people just you know got new plates
[4:43:29] got rid of the old ones stuff like that
[4:43:31] that's that's what we talk that's what
[4:43:33] we were told yeah but cars can be gone
[4:43:35] they're tied to you you people know that
[4:43:38] you own the car it's not like you get
[4:43:41] rid of a car and nobody knew that you
[4:43:42] were the ownership that's I'm saying
[4:43:44] that's what people just won't pay
[4:43:46] because they don't have the car you
[4:43:49] there's nothing you can do CU you're not
[4:43:50] registered anymore maybe stoping from
[4:43:52] registering the Cent car oh I don't you
[4:43:55] do that go ahead please so I know me and me
[4:44:02] [Music]
[4:44:06] and late I know blame me for that we are
[4:44:11] we had the email exchange that was going
[4:44:13] on where you were replying some
[4:44:15] responses based on the ticket
[4:44:17] spreadsheet that you provided and thank
[4:44:19] you for those follows which I really
[4:44:20] appreciate it I do think if we're
[4:44:22] starting to collect some some of these
[4:44:24] outstanding tickets there is an
[4:44:26] requirement from our city to be
[4:44:28] responsive and not saying that you're
[4:44:30] not I think your response is proved
[4:44:31] otherwise I just wanting to reiterate
[4:44:34] the importance of us being respondent to
[4:44:37] putting in place other measures where if
[4:44:39] there are tickets being expended that do
[4:44:42] not need to be or are the result of like
[4:44:44] unclear signage or we have an obligation
[4:44:47] to work with the community also because
[4:44:49] I think as we start to have these fines
[4:44:52] go out if we're not working or being
[4:44:54] responsive in how our signs are
[4:44:56] advertised or what what what are they
[4:44:58] illustrating I think it can send a very
[4:45:00] unclear message we're just trying to do
[4:45:02] another money grab and I don't think
[4:45:04] that's the intent it is how do we
[4:45:05] enforce our laws and again if signs are
[4:45:08] not effective how do we update those
[4:45:09] signs that we're working with the
[4:45:12] community I don't disagree with any of
[4:45:14] that I know that right now with the
[4:45:16] signs if there's a a sign issue or um
[4:45:20] going through core process that tiet
[4:45:22] gets it's taken out that assign was put
[4:45:24] on the list and it was after to the
[4:45:25] assign Department to to work on updating
[4:45:27] it and our officers and the parking
[4:45:29] officers won't actually ticket anybody
[4:45:31] that but anything that we can do as far
[4:45:33] as
[4:45:35] um that's the fire Hydra thing again I
[4:45:37] don't know how expensive that would be
[4:45:39] to to actually do something like that
[4:45:41] but we be able to proba B before and
[4:45:43] after um if you want want to try a
[4:45:45] certain area but if there's any thing
[4:45:48] that we can do to assist in in bringing
[4:45:51] awareness to that we're definitely going
[4:45:53] to help absolutely I think Brian Kon was
[4:45:56] mentioning that they working with u the
[4:45:57] police department in terms of addressing
[4:45:59] the signs yes so you guys provided uh
[4:46:03] funding many years ago for science a
[4:46:06] finally get get here for a few months
[4:46:09] now with uh team and the bureau to
[4:46:15] get I have to command you and your
[4:46:17] aggressive approach approach to towards
[4:46:20] these house past
[4:46:22] [Music]
[4:46:23] you it's a good thing and you and your
[4:46:26] team are doing everybody including Chief
[4:46:29] it's something that we have to go after
[4:46:31] if it's 30,000 40 50,000 100,000 is
[4:46:34] something coming in as a revenue to the
[4:46:36] department and over the years people are
[4:46:38] going to get a wing of hits and they
[4:46:40] have to pay
[4:46:42] any other questions if not on parking
[4:46:45] we'll move to annal control page
[4:46:48] [Music]
[4:46:52] 34 and that will conclude our
[4:46:56] um the big change here with that as um
[4:47:01] we are requesting to decrease one and
[4:47:04] add a control supervisor position I see
[4:47:08] there's a a significant raise there uh
[4:47:11] we would like to elevate the one inol
[4:47:14] one of the two that we have currently in
[4:47:15] their supervisor role doing an
[4:47:18] absolutely amazing job
[4:47:21] and the this is a she's acting at a
[4:47:26] supervisor currently she's already aison
[4:47:28] she multiple different places um get
[4:47:31] nothing but great feedback all the time
[4:47:33] we want to try to retain her
[4:47:35] employee increasing her salary
[4:47:39] would that
[4:47:41] and I am going to ask that we are also
[4:47:44] looking to increase the fee here so M
[4:47:47] Michael you want to talk on
[4:47:50] this the revenue you mean the revenue
[4:47:53] part on this increase the fees on the
[4:47:57] dog licenses yes this this has nothing
[4:48:00] to do with this no this is separate yes oh
[4:48:05] yes so just so you have two Dev Control
[4:48:08] Officers and you just want to give one a
[4:48:10] raise and and call them the supervisor
[4:48:12] yes ma'am thank
[4:48:16] you any question on this
[4:48:20] section are we missing anything you want
[4:48:23] to give us any U no just before we go
[4:48:26] Capital anything that we need to address
[4:48:28] for the
[4:48:29] council any new new things that
[4:48:31] happening in the police department
[4:48:33] anything the
[4:48:35] pipel um not really I mean nothing the
[4:48:38] only thing new I probably have to report
[4:48:40] is New York State Police are finally up
[4:48:42] staff so they're going to start doing
[4:48:44] blue gr controls next Thursday so who do
[4:48:47] they doing the New York State Police are
[4:48:49] going to start helping us control the
[4:48:50] streets again they're finally up to full
[4:48:53] Staffing so we'll start seeing Troopers
[4:48:56] working with our offices again start
[4:48:58] Thursday so that's really thing to
[4:49:00] report and chief T the Staffing can you
[4:49:02] address the Staffing I know that you are
[4:49:04] problem most capacity or capacity yeah
[4:49:07] we were at full Staffing uh we have four that are actually going to be out
[4:49:12] of field training soon four that'll be
[4:49:14] done within a month eight in the Academy
[4:49:17] of those eight seven of them are in our
[4:49:19] new Apprentice
[4:49:22] program we'll be and we could probably
[4:49:24] actually uh it'll be coming before the
[4:49:27] end of the year but we're going to get
[4:49:28] probably I think $3500 in revenue for
[4:49:32] those seven officers through this
[4:49:34] practice
[4:49:35] program great email just came out today
[4:49:38] so it's good it's a good program so it's
[4:49:41] helping us
[4:49:43] there what the retirement in the next
[4:49:45] year are there plans any I know three um
[4:49:50] right after New Year so one's talking
[4:49:52] January and one's talking February one's
[4:49:55] talking March so I know I have
[4:49:59] three Senor office anything
[4:50:03] else no crimes up
[4:50:06] 88.1% 12.3% compared to the 5year
[4:50:09] average that's the bad news the good
[4:50:12] well it's not bad news but it's not
[4:50:14] great um our shootings um we we've done
[4:50:18] such a great job with our give uh Grant
[4:50:21] um and our non-fatal shootings that I
[4:50:23] was invited to present at this uh
[4:50:26] International Chiefs of police
[4:50:27] conference coming up in two weeks in
[4:50:29] Buffalo Boston or Boston not bu
[4:50:32] definitely not Buffalo um so the state's
[4:50:35] going to be presenting and that and I
[4:50:36] I'll be representing uh a local police
[4:50:39] department with them doing that our
[4:50:41] shots fired are down 42% our shooting
[4:50:43] incidents are down 38% our shooting
[4:50:46] victims are down 33% and that number 33%
[4:50:50] is big but as of right now it's only 10
[4:50:53] people this year you know if we can keep
[4:50:55] it that low the rest of the year we'd
[4:50:57] like to but um the Outreach Hub our
[4:51:01] partnership with the county they've
[4:51:03] reached over 120 individuals year to
[4:51:05] date keeps getting stronger every year
[4:51:08] they'll they they'll be presenting at
[4:51:10] the party conference uh next year early
[4:51:12] next year the work that they've been
[4:51:14] doing there so you know a lot of good
[4:51:16] work being done by our officers rsro
[4:51:19] program school resource officers
[4:51:22] certainly paid dividends early this year
[4:51:24] with the incidents that they had having
[4:51:27] that structure in place I believe kept
[4:51:29] it controlled they're also very
[4:51:31] beneficial this summer protecting our new pool um when things started
[4:51:36] going a little crazy there we had our
[4:51:38] officers there working every day and I
[4:51:40] think get helped helped having their
[4:51:42] presence there they do everybody so uh I
[4:51:44] think it was a good summer overall so
[4:51:47] worked out
[4:51:50] well go ahead please so um so you said
[4:51:54] overall Prime was up but but I know that
[4:51:57] so you use that Global term but in terms
[4:51:59] of different part you know different
[4:52:01] part categor part one part two and all
[4:52:04] that stuff and then then there's this
[4:52:07] thing where govern article today that
[4:52:09] said that our SHO shoting are down 42%
[4:52:13] based on state
[4:52:14] data so can you just tell us where since
[4:52:17] there's a rise where is the where is
[4:52:19] that riseing crime the rise I mentioned
[4:52:21] is part one crime so we're talking the
[4:52:23] assaults the robberies the um the laries
[4:52:28] burglaries that that's what went up but
[4:52:30] she is right that shootings are down and
[4:52:32] that's why our shots fired are down
[4:52:34] actually 42% shooting incidents are down
[4:52:37] 38% shooting victims down 33% because
[4:52:40] we've been focusing so much on guns and
[4:52:43] shootings um we've been putting a lot of
[4:52:45] effort into that Statewide we have
[4:52:48] through this initiative so that we've
[4:52:50] been receiving positives from as a
[4:52:52] result of that and I think are the two
[4:52:55] highest increases burglaries and arenes
[4:52:58] were the two highest increases I that
[4:52:59] include them stealing my Amazon package
[4:53:01] that would be that would be one
[4:53:03] [Music]
[4:53:06] iort that that will be another
[4:53:08] initiative that we will be working on
[4:53:11] um uh is a organized retail crime we're
[4:53:16] working with the state police on that
[4:53:17] but we're also going to be doing
[4:53:18] something ourselves working on that a
[4:53:21] lot of people a lot of individuals are
[4:53:22] out there stealing from our businesses
[4:53:24] and selling them to our other businesses
[4:53:27] oh which are hugely high crime areas so
[4:53:31] we'll be focusing on that it
[4:53:33] disappointed when they myage I think but
[4:53:36] I just wanted to to add the comment you
[4:53:38] said the just realized what you said I'm
[4:53:42] sorry about the SRO I just want to add
[4:53:44] to that I know that you said that it's
[4:53:46] because the offers of the school but I
[4:53:47] have I have to tell you I was there for
[4:53:49] the lockdown and the safety team is a
[4:53:52] great part of what happens because
[4:53:53] there's more safety team members than
[4:53:55] there areos they definitely work
[4:53:57] together but part of that is that safety
[4:53:59] team they have in place which are
[4:54:01] civilians who are from the community
[4:54:03] that people know Etc and so on because
[4:54:05] when I was when I was when I was in the
[4:54:07] room in lockdown the SRO said they oh
[4:54:10] I'm sorry they're called CEOs
[4:54:13] yes right had been there earlier but
[4:54:16] they' left so all of the management of
[4:54:19] what was going on in that cafeteria was
[4:54:20] done by the safety team and and um other
[4:54:23] members of the administration so I just
[4:54:25] wanted to make sure that they work in
[4:54:27] conjunction but they play a great role
[4:54:29] in
[4:54:31] that that can you briefly just talk a
[4:54:35] little bit I mean I've been getting more
[4:54:37] calls um about
[4:54:39] panhandlers um and I know the Hub is you
[4:54:42] know really trying
[4:54:44] to work on that um but yeah I I mean I
[4:54:49] you know I'll just give you one example
[4:54:51] my most recent call was um someone who
[4:54:56] wanted me to put out legis said I know
[4:55:00] we prevent panhandling in the street but
[4:55:02] can you put out some legislation to
[4:55:04] prevent it on the sidewalk and I was
[4:55:06] just like well you know sidewalk Street
[4:55:08] I mean they're going to just be in the
[4:55:10] air I mean like where are they supposed
[4:55:11] to go but I'm but I'm just thinking you
[4:55:14] know what what can we for me I feel like
[4:55:17] it's like that bigger issue of poverty
[4:55:20] and so you know what do we do to support
[4:55:23] our organizations that are working on
[4:55:25] anti-poverty initiatives but I I just
[4:55:27] wanted to because I'm hearing it more
[4:55:29] and more so I just wanted to get your
[4:55:31] take no doubt that it's a problem it's a
[4:55:33] problem it's scates problem in every
[4:55:36] Community I saw there C Parks huge yes I
[4:55:40] saw yeah the aggressive the aggressive
[4:55:42] legislation roer B that passed it also
[4:55:46] so it's um you know there certainly a
[4:55:48] problem The Hub is is addressing it
[4:55:51] although there are uh we were told this
[4:55:53] morning at our compat meeting this
[4:55:55] morning right been a long day um uh that
[4:55:59] uh there's five individuals out there
[4:56:00] that are no longer uh interested in any
[4:56:03] work from The Hub so if they do
[4:56:04] something we will be arresting them so
[4:56:05] we're trying not to arrest first but we
[4:56:08] will arrest if we have to they're
[4:56:10] aggressive and we know there's
[4:56:12] aggressive individuals out there it's
[4:56:14] just a matter of they move around so we
[4:56:16] have to be able to catch them in the app
[4:56:18] and doing it which is difficult when
[4:56:20] everything else is going on but it's a problem that we we recognize and
[4:56:25] we're working on is there anything that
[4:56:27] we can be should be doing or and your I
[4:56:30] know shoulds a hard word but I mean do
[4:56:33] you have advice for us as a council
[4:56:35] should we be thinking about any
[4:56:36] legislation
[4:56:38] or I mean think about it and let us know
[4:56:41] but so I know there was a local
[4:56:43] municipality that put out language
[4:56:45] paraphrasing since was like don't get
[4:56:46] money to the homeless and as you can
[4:56:48] imagine that language just did not sit
[4:56:50] well C MERS of the community absolutely
[4:56:52] what I would say is s accting is very
[4:56:54] resource Rich so my wife's a social
[4:56:56] worker and IID say Mr manini can
[4:56:58] probably speak to some of that a lot of
[4:57:00] the individuals after conversations with
[4:57:02] U City Mission director Mr sosio he's
[4:57:05] like there are individuals that are
[4:57:06] seeking certain like behaviors that they
[4:57:09] aren't willing to accept within their
[4:57:11] facilities so in those conversations
[4:57:14] that I'm interacting with people I'm
[4:57:15] directing them either to the thda house
[4:57:18] C Mission and instances they're
[4:57:20] disregarding it and that's their
[4:57:22] prerogative but essentially each time a
[4:57:25] resident gives the money that reinforces
[4:57:28] the reason that they stay out there so
[4:57:30] it's just an
[4:57:31] unfortunate outcome and I was speaking
[4:57:35] was a police officer I'm pretty sure I
[4:57:36] was speaking to that there's a there's a
[4:57:38] particular there's like this high Archy
[4:57:40] among the homeless I just learned this
[4:57:42] what you are you a president there I was
[4:57:44] not but recently heard this this is
[4:57:47] hierarchy and there's this couple who um
[4:57:50] they frequent Broadway and
[4:57:52] state and um and when they're there
[4:57:55] nobody else comes because you know
[4:57:57] they're but they also turn down any help
[4:58:01] because they're making so much money on
[4:58:03] the corner well I I mean I've heard a
[4:58:05] similar story from one of our officers
[4:58:08] who there's an organization that was
[4:58:11] giving out tents and and sleeping bags
[4:58:14] and so folks weren't wanting to for
[4:58:16] example leave Veil park because they
[4:58:19] were okay they had a tent and sleeping
[4:58:21] bag and as far as they were concerned
[4:58:24] you know they were kind of set um
[4:58:27] so almost it's like the organization was
[4:58:29] kind of
[4:58:30] enabling this to continue so I don't
[4:58:33] know I I I that was sort of eye opening
[4:58:35] for me you know having had a long career
[4:58:38] in a nonprofit and that kind of thing
[4:58:41] but um I was kind of like you know maybe
[4:58:43] we're doing that was too much do you
[4:58:45] know what I mean helping um I don't know
[4:58:49] but I just don't know what we should do
[4:58:51] what we should be
[4:58:52] doing Chief you mentioned that that
[4:58:54] crime is up % um was that a 12 months
[4:58:57] data or 6 months uh 8% um it's up 8
[4:59:02] point uh 88.1% part one crime up
[4:59:06] 8.1% and that is year to date um and and
[4:59:10] then the
[4:59:12] 12.3 I'm sorry 88.1% up compared to this
[4:59:16] time last
[4:59:17] [Music]
[4:59:18] year compared to 10 ones last
[4:59:21] year October 23 October 24 is that
[4:59:25] comparison and then the 12.3 is compared
[4:59:27] to a 5year
[4:59:29] average uh if I can segue go ahead
[4:59:31] please I think it's important to kind of
[4:59:33] dispel either misinformation or just
[4:59:35] misinterpretations of information so I
[4:59:37] know we had a very contingent overtime
[4:59:40] discussion in the last budget cycle is
[4:59:43] any of that related in your response to
[4:59:45] Public Safety or in this increasing
[4:59:48] crime in those specific
[4:59:51] Parts no I
[4:59:53] mean we we haven't changed our operation
[4:59:56] based on what happened last year and
[4:59:59] uh the the unfortunate thing is that we
[5:00:03] have officers that are working very hard
[5:00:06] every day and they're getting burn out
[5:00:08] so we probably had more openings for
[5:00:10] over time that we've had volunteers to
[5:00:12] work it um but we recognize the budget
[5:00:15] is tight this year and we started
[5:00:17] scaling it back and we're starting to
[5:00:19] fill the shifts now because we're we're offering out less in anticipation
[5:00:23] of a tight year so but um up to this
[5:00:27] point it had had an effect on it but we
[5:00:30] should see a shift because of the the
[5:00:32] Staffing capacity right now so we should
[5:00:34] see a shift because that's what you know
[5:00:36] we mentioned over the last couple years
[5:00:38] that um High offic would help to ease
[5:00:41] the baren only over time and fill all
[5:00:43] the shifts and I was good de you're
[5:00:45] doing that
[5:00:46] appreciate Public Safety would not
[5:00:48] suffer by your tightening up these
[5:00:51] you're not putting it out there I mean
[5:00:54] you're still out there time last year we
[5:00:56] got nine out of the Academy I think we
[5:00:58] left we lost a couple of the
[5:01:00] retirements and then we um and then
[5:01:03] we're going to be
[5:01:04] getting I think we got 99 so I think
[5:01:07] we've actually probably netted about 15
[5:01:10] officers on the street since this time
[5:01:11] last year that's awesome and then we
[5:01:13] will again we'll be getting another four
[5:01:15] soon another four in a month and then we
[5:01:18] have eight in the academy but that won't
[5:01:19] be until May next may we see see a
[5:01:23] difference with them so that's great and
[5:01:24] by then we'll have probably another four
[5:01:26] or
[5:01:27] five we have three by for sure yeah good
[5:01:31] stff good stff good and I'm sure you
[5:01:33] have um things in place to address the
[5:01:36] part one we do please we do yeah we we
[5:01:41] focus on what's what's spiking and right
[5:01:43] now assaults and laries are spiking
[5:01:45] burglar are spiking it's that time of
[5:01:47] the year so we're we're actually looking
[5:01:50] at um our assaults as possibly being
[5:01:53] over
[5:01:54] reported U or somebody will call in say
[5:01:57] I was assaulted so that'll be the way
[5:01:59] it's categorized and we'll get out there
[5:02:01] turns out that they were just slapped in
[5:02:03] the face so it was a harass we might be
[5:02:07] over so we have to look at that bad it
[5:02:11] does like what what constitutes
[5:02:13] assault has has to have physical
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[5:02:33] injury no hold a question I would you
[5:02:36] able to say specifically which um
[5:02:38] neighborhood these CRI
[5:02:41] yes yeah our hotpots have not changed
[5:02:44] that much
[5:02:46] so they primarily been the same um
[5:02:49] Central stage Street Grandy wine area um
[5:02:53] veale neighborhood you
[5:02:55] know pockets of M Pleasant most our
[5:02:58] house actually M Pleasant got pool for a
[5:03:00] while I think Eastern Avenue popped up
[5:03:02] but now it's start so once that please
[5:03:05] close down any other question if not
[5:03:07] we'll move to Capital pleas Department
[5:03:11] there are two
[5:03:12] items the two uh the vehicles um we
[5:03:17] request actually I don't have my most
[5:03:18] recent one here you go SUV uh two SUV
[5:03:22] for patrol that would be uh the hybrid
[5:03:25] and the three hybrid sedans would be for
[5:03:28] our detective Division and three hybrid
[5:03:31] Vans or um some sort of smaller SUV for
[5:03:35] our evidence
[5:03:37] technicians and then the Drone radar
[5:03:40] it would be uh to increase so we don't
[5:03:43] have to have visual observers the chief
[5:03:45] mentioned earlier but it would be uh
[5:03:47] technology that be put in place so that
[5:03:50] the anything that's flying from a drone
[5:03:53] to the biggest airplane out there would
[5:03:56] be caught on like a on radar it's like
[5:03:58] the radar screen that you see um you to
[5:04:00] see on the TV shows um you would see
[5:04:03] actually where it is in the city and
[5:04:05] you'll see a picture of it as well so
[5:04:07] it'd be manned and unmanned aircraft to
[5:04:10] show up um on it and that would be a
[5:04:13] requirement from the FAA in order to get
[5:04:17] the get be online site so you do not
[5:04:19] need a visual Observer at all so so in
[5:04:22] addition to helping us with our drone as
[5:04:24] a first responding program it would also
[5:04:26] provide uh safety to our community for
[5:04:29] people drop flying drones that could be
[5:04:30] harmful so especially during special
[5:04:32] events we would know if a a drone shows
[5:04:35] up um that could possibly harm somebody
[5:04:38] so that it's got that add feure to well
[5:04:41] any
[5:04:42] question go ahead so buy eight more
[5:04:45] Vehicles this year how many we buy last
[5:04:48] so we didn't buy any at all in sorry so
[5:04:52] right now we're trying to buy uh the
[5:04:54] capital that you guys provided last year
[5:04:56] was for seven
[5:04:58] SUVs uh
[5:05:01] two DD Vehicles one ASV vehicle and S so
[5:05:06] band so last year was I believe it's 11
[5:05:09] vehicles that we haven't bought yet that
[5:05:11] were in the process of purchasing the
[5:05:13] money became available in May and they
[5:05:16] were um Avail a few different options
[5:05:18] for purchases Leasing and some other
[5:05:21] things and it was determined not to go
[5:05:23] that way so uh we're working with
[5:05:25] Finance now purchasing to work on
[5:05:28] getting the vehicles so the 11 from last
[5:05:30] year were just buying and then this is
[5:05:33] addition eight this is uh eight yes and when we
[5:05:41] money come into May after so you have to
[5:05:44] wait
[5:05:47] until and then once we the two vehicles
[5:05:50] the the police vehicles those so right
[5:05:53] now we're ordering them in may they come
[5:05:55] in or I'm sorry if we order them now
[5:05:57] they come in January to February and
[5:05:59] then after that then it takes usually
[5:06:01] another two to three months to get them
[5:06:02] upfitted so it's a
[5:06:05] constant struggle down the road I mean
[5:06:07] it's these are forecasted out several
[5:06:09] years and the vehicles that we're
[5:06:10] driving right now will be replaced by
[5:06:12] these
[5:06:14] vehicles what kind of money do we get
[5:06:16] for trading yeah usually we don't trade
[5:06:19] them usually it's uh they go to the
[5:06:21] scrapyard so I think last year we
[5:06:24] scrapped four of them I believe and I
[5:06:25] think we got4
[5:06:27] or500 sometimes we pass them on
[5:06:29] throughout the city L we pass them to
[5:06:31] other departments instead of purchasing
[5:06:33] vehic sometimes they don't you Au
[5:06:36] them yes police yes so we we just had an
[5:06:40] auction throughout the summer we
[5:06:42] actually cleaned out our Police
[5:06:43] Department of like everything we
[5:06:45] possibly could our our ASB team I me I
[5:06:48] love those they're awesome um I think we
[5:06:50] took in like 26 or $27,000 just if it
[5:06:53] wasn't bolted down we didn't need it it
[5:06:55] went the
[5:06:59] auction there was no cars there's cars waiting to go now I
[5:07:04] believe is less this year normal
[5:07:09] [Music]
[5:07:11] oh yeah Capital
[5:07:12] request seem to be less than was last
[5:07:15] year I believe our total for our two two
[5:07:17] numbers our car requested to drop down
[5:07:19] and we didn't uh last year we had um
[5:07:22] some s or SOS gear and something else
[5:07:26] it's actually not and we typically ask
[5:07:28] for some some kind of computers for
[5:07:31] Capital request but we got the grant
[5:07:33] this year PA form so
[5:07:37] we are there any other question
[5:07:40] [Music]
[5:07:41] if not thank you so
[5:07:43] [Music]
[5:07:45] much
[5:07:48] work
[5:07:49] um tomorrow our meeting
[5:07:55] continue we will meet with department at
[5:07:57] streets sow ice Property Management
[5:08:00] Facility parks
[5:08:02] pools waste collection disposal recycle
[5:08:06] water at sewer fund engineer
[5:08:10] and capital budget if there's nothing El
[5:08:13] ask a motion to recess until tomorrow
[5:08:15] 5:30 p.m. so second all in favor thank
[5:08:19] you good night have a
[5:08:24] goodn you
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[5:08:36] sorry oh boy she just have to be here
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[5:08:40] does she oh she was she was being I
[5:08:42] think she was
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[5:08:54] represen do we have to do anything with
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[5:09:07] this thank you everybody
[5:09:10] have a good
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[5:09:13] night what
[5:09:15] left it's going to be pajamas for
[5:09:20] [Music]
[5:09:25] me we'll have tomorrow thank you put it
[5:09:29] in you and put it in a folder it
[5:09:37] I excuse me sorry
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