[0:01] personal benefit Clark as um Anthony [0:04] that went down from 56,000 to 55,000 is [0:07] that the person who had the job last [0:10] year was at a higher level okay and then [0:12] the person came in the middle of the [0:14] year and so she's just going up one step [0:17] there where she was but uh the person [0:19] that had the job before was making more [0:21] so yeah it's a C position so we started [0:24] at the great U step one whatever so this [0:27] is moving up to step two or three car [0:30] head thank you why any questions [0:33] [Music] [0:35] for Could you um I'm sorry you said [0:37] there was a person that did more gave [0:39] them a little more which which position [0:41] was that the [0:44] salary the bottom [0:48] of more more hours look [1:00] saying none thank you so much welcome [1:02] aboard I wish you all the best know [1:04] thank you very that was [1:08] e one more [1:10] question just when you [1:13] thought so the the Personnel benefits [1:16] Clos is that cdaa yes yes and so it's [1:20] gone up by [1:21] 18800 to this but I thought that that we [1:25] were step that's a step so we're still [1:27] waiting for the contract correct yeah [1:32] really thank you thank you nice to meet [1:35] you all take [1:49] care all right we'll move to page one [1:54] May's mayor's office um sorry [2:07] manag page one may [2:14] off brief old the mayor's office 8 1210 [2:18] total mayor's office increased by 2.2% [2:21] from 368,000 approximate [2:24] 376,000 [2:26] position in the mayor's office [2:34] anything so the 3% raises I put in for [2:38] management employees and the other items [2:42] are basically just carrying [2:46] existing have any questions no rise for [2:52] you would you make a try or [2:56] something well at some point we're going [2:58] to discuss that statute says one thing [3:01] the council does something else that's [3:04] my so we should we should discuss that [3:06] at some point in time next week what's [3:08] that in terms of [3:11] raises for the council and the May next [3:15] week I just brought it up as a topic [3:18] that we should consider next [3:20] week we'll we'll have more discussion on [3:22] that in terms of [3:24] May any question for the [3:27] mayor sting down thank you [3:30] yeah we'll move [3:32] into [3:34] Department say you still want to [3:38] wa um that's all right you given up [3:43] your that will [3:49] be [3:51] one page central Communication and then [3:54] we [3:56] have something to discuss under page 39 [4:00] lightning that administrative expense I [4:03] have a please page 39 John is that what [4:06] you said page [4:09] 16 16 at the bottom we have Central [4:13] Communications AG [4:15] 1650 uh B also talking about Central [4:18] data processing um [4:21] a680 uh Central Communications increased [4:23] by 30% from 60,000 to 78,000 Central [4:27] Communications increased by 9 3 8% 6 763 [4:33] 835,000 and then will be talking about [4:37] his portion the street lighting for [4:39] smart [4:41] cityas yeah you want to highlight us on [4:43] anything on the um parment central [4:47] Communication Y and your Staffing [4:53] yeah yeah so this year we have no uh [4:57] still we have no fing attack when sec [5:00] ATT that is very good thing so we have [5:02] to be proud about that we're educating [5:05] the employees you know twice a year try [5:08] to do it by by early you know so we do [5:11] spring one in fall and by doing that we [5:15] had doing for like 2 years now we can [5:17] see some you know uh change in there we [5:21] can be good so security awareness [5:23] proficiency assessment if you see this [5:25] score compared to the industry Benchmark [5:28] they are at 6 4% here at 67% so at least [5:32] that's better and uh before I was [5:35] checking those fishing thing and the our [5:38] score account average f porn was like 4% [5:42] around now it is 2.7% so that [5:46] is we want to be zero but at least you [5:49] know this big change I see in there and [5:53] uh I really want to thank you guys for [5:56] providing me the capital funding last [5:58] year for the sery on this stories we [6:00] were able to complete that um by may I [6:03] guess yes so that we did on time so [6:07] because our server were going end up [6:09] life cies were get going end up life so [6:12] that that we [6:13] accomplished uh employee wise I have one [6:16] new employee we hired couple months back [6:20] and I'm trying to fill one more position [6:23] so like we have a lot in our plate to do [6:27] things around and uh from the Smart City side we have [6:32] 360 access points around the city and uh [6:36] many cameras and in expansion John is [6:40] playing still playing very good role in [6:42] there so he's helping us even become [6:46] after through it but that's a big [6:56] help I'm going to try to be proactive so [6:59] you have to like always be you know [7:03] alert on what is going on [7:08] network in terms of software and [7:11] Hardware how are you with that [7:13] especially Hardware replacing all the [7:15] old equipments yeah so uh this Windows [7:19] uh U Windows 11 what happens is that [7:22] have the GPM is called in the bias and [7:25] old machine does not accept Windows 11 [7:28] because of that so there is you know I [7:31] found some work around you can still do [7:34] that but if Microsoft you know knows one [7:37] day and then send up dates then then we [7:39] all G so we don't know in that situation [7:43] so uh I give list to D back how many [7:47] machines we have so we have still until [7:50] October 2025 to upgrade those machines [7:52] to 2011 so we're going phase wise I [7:56] think right byy couple this year if you [7:58] have Bud then in [8:00] 2025 but even if you let's say if you [8:03] are not [8:04] 100% then in 2026 early 2026 we can do [8:09] pretty much all so all machine will be [8:11] up [8:13] toate and Hardware are pretty pretty [8:16] good we're keeping like not the Legacy [8:18] software there's not much you know maybe [8:21] one or two in clerk Department which is [8:23] still um you know [8:26] not and flex you s I'm not sure who [8:31] support that like that we that's all the [8:36] old you have a cost did you do a cost [8:39] analysis on all the equipment to replace [8:42] uh yes I think I get the [8:54] numbers yeah the numbers I think it was [8:57] like 60 computers we had to replace [8:59] desktops and the cost is like pretty [9:02] much like 7800 [9:05] each [9:06] but yeah but depending on you know like [9:09] you don't have to do all at a time you [9:11] know like the machine is still good you [9:13] can next year you can f out those [9:16] machines but for security reason would [9:18] you recommend us doing it yeah SEC we do [9:21] it until 2025 October so we have here [9:27] it's $60,000 [9:30] to put us out of [9:34] risk yeah that's why I'm trying to get [9:37] you don't want to put yourself out at [9:39] risk because something coming out there [9:42] and one or two equipment they can buy [9:45] pass it into into your ccle yeah yeah [9:48] definitely thank you so that's something [9:50] we might want to consider when we start [9:54] our you John you're were saying that the [9:56] difference is somewhere around $60,000 [9:58] and you're saying that this yeah High [10:00] number there about 6,000 can be less [10:02] you're saying this is like this a [10:04] priority yeah you should consider that [10:07] we restarting the process the process is [10:09] already in the works [10:10] right but we should fund whatever [10:13] remaining and just complet it and that [10:15] wasn't part of last [10:17] year's no I don't think so some some of yes some well I'm saying we've [10:23] been kind of chipping away at it and uh [10:27] and and also too you got to remember the [10:28] capacity these guys have to so even you [10:31] buy all tomorrow we can't put in the [10:35] next [10:36] day it will take a couple months to get [10:39] you know get out L more running so [10:41] that's something we should have the come [10:42] to I mean I wonder though are some of [10:44] the computers out of the um 60 um are [10:49] some of the computers that not needing [10:51] to be replaced I mean so this 60 [10:54] computer needs to be reped oh okay 60 is [10:57] the number okay okay thank you they're [10:59] not [11:02] compatible [11:05] software the most advanced level of the [11:08] software and for the cyber security you [11:11] know Hardware is part of it but it's [11:14] continual [11:16] education of employees just to be cent [11:20] of the [11:22] emails yeah phone calls text messages [11:26] other things that com in you're [11:28] designing to compromise Z Anthony can [11:30] you share the cost to us please excuse [11:34] me the cost for the for the [11:37] 60 [11:39] 60700 weig 800 I think was [11:43] like some cabling another things go with [11:46] it yeah you're going to have we figured [11:48] 50,000 right or [11:52] 60,000 fig th000 a piece I was trying to [11:56] get away with it at 800 but he [12:02] the you just [12:07] table I'm really thankful for you guys [12:09] for the great leadership you know mayor [12:11] and Council for supporting all these [12:13] Technologies you know you know because [12:16] uh you know this is the ransom where I [12:19] have just this from sofos if you read it [12:22] you know like the The Ransom price [12:24] increased 500 times yeah so so in 2023 [12:28] it was like 1 million they will ask you [12:31] now they're asking 5 [12:33] million and average cost of if you get [12:36] rans somewhere to get all these lawyers [12:38] different things to fix everything you [12:40] know like public uh reputation things [12:43] like that is 2.7 million AR spending who [12:47] got it so we have to keep that in mind [12:50] all the [12:52] time if the council has any other [12:54] detailed questions on [12:56] that won't have that addressed in public [13:00] session so that just some of the [13:02] protocols we use and some of the things [13:03] that are in place have to be done in [13:06] executive [13:09] session so that's something we should [13:11] consider because we need to protect [13:13] ourselves cyber security is not e thing [13:17] I know Mia and you have been working [13:19] really hard on protecting the [13:22] city so we want we at a council want to [13:24] provide Power of support yeah sure [13:27] appreciate that you should be waiting [13:29] any other question go [13:32] ahead which one I'll just say on a [13:35] personal note I find the trainings very valuable so um and I have learned a [13:40] lot and it definitely has helped me um [13:43] be more aware of um cyber security at [13:47] home and and with the work that I do so [13:49] I appreciate that yeah most of the time [13:52] 70% of time it is a human error in this [13:55] all these cases so we have to the one [13:59] who is you know all these things we have [14:03] to [14:05] educate I have a question regarding a [14:08] 16548 the phone expense um it's it's [14:12] increased so what happens is uh we pay [14:15] like uh u 2 years at a time okay because [14:19] uh to get some discount bigger discount [14:22] we pay annually like left so you could [14:25] see uh 2023 that was 2024 [14:30] 2025 okay thank [14:33] you any other question for this section [14:36] well this is it's about the smart city [14:38] but I guess it's really a funding uh [14:40] because so how much is left in in where [14:43] we have with the smart [14:44] cities which one smart C smart C I'm [14:47] going I'm going to turn I just want to [14:49] complete this and I will turn to this U [14:51] page page 39 okay he said was on page 39 yes any other question on this [14:56] section well my my question was about [14:58] the um fees for services line but it it [15:01] was answered here by um either ban or or [15:06] Derek and Anthony but um I was wondering [15:08] about the um what was included in that [15:11] line it's [15:12] 16844 but I see it was the fees for [15:16] various um software packages so I just [15:18] wanted to let everybody know that other [15:21] than software packaging there anything [15:23] else service line so F service line um [15:28] yeah I think I want to add I think a GIS [15:33] software what we're doing is different [15:36] department with chicking and they'll do [15:39] uh you know give us like the cost is [15:41] like 23 grand every year almost so [15:44] engineering Police Department [15:46] development they will ship in some money [15:48] and do it this year also police [15:50] department they have give us big chunk [15:52] on their ground and development like big [15:55] CH so that's true we we're true but I [15:57] think next year I ask the chief did you [15:59] put any money and I was confused like [16:01] who is putting money on that right in [16:03] budget and uh seems like Police [16:06] Department put it like 8 Grand something [16:10] rest 16 Grand I I think I want include [16:13] somewhere some if other [16:16] department 16k we should check and make [16:19] sure it's in the police department is [16:20] what you're saying the police department [16:22] 8 Grand oh put 8 Grand yeah but if [16:26] nobody put in the rest of it then I want [16:27] to put in my [16:31] somewhere okay any other question seeing [16:34] on we'll move to page 39 and that's [16:37] under Street lighting and a 5182 402 [16:42] administrative expense there was a [16:44] question there and we need a a breakdown [16:47] on the [16:52] 71 so I'll go from [17:00] so uh this 20 57 Grand uh which you see [17:04] in there that is for the smart uh smart [17:07] net [17:08] renewal this we didn't pay until last [17:11] year what happened was when we bought a [17:13] product the industrial product it comes [17:15] with 5 year of warranty and 5 year of [17:18] licenses in there so we are good until [17:21] last year this year we had to renew and [17:24] this year we found money uh from some [17:28] other uh accounts and for this year we [17:30] are good but uh I think we have to get [17:34] uh if this in next year we have to uh [17:37] get this money how much is that 57 Grand [17:40] oh 57 yeah so that is part of the [17:43] 710 uh [17:46] 51824 yes yeah that's part of that so [17:49] I'm just going line by line here so to [17:52] clarify these things and uh uh the smart [17:57] uh the other one is 35 Grand that is [18:00] also the license fee so other one of the [18:02] smart net was like if something breaks [18:04] they can fix it and replacement warranty [18:07] kind of thing but 35 Grand is a license [18:10] cost and U so I did like a lot of [18:15] negotiation with the companies and uh we [18:18] actually switch our licensing from alart [18:21] licensing to the Enterprise agreement [18:24] and they gave us quite a lot of discount [18:25] from that so um it was like 2 three [18:29] months of process for me to negotiate [18:31] with the vendors to give us good [18:36] pricing and other one is also 5600 is [18:40] also licensing 5600 [18:44] yes uh yeah it's [18:48] here uh so I'm I'm just uh recking it [18:52] part so go ahead please okay and uh this [18:56] 120 we had last year which is still 120 [18:59] for the genetic U 120 [19:04] 12000 new number which you see here is [19:08] uh 460,000 this is uh this you didn't [19:12] have to [19:13] do uh before this is the first year [19:15] coming up because we have this with last [19:19] we have this R demo project going on [19:22] which is expired now so we have to [19:25] maintain all this did for the Smart City [19:29] that's why this uh cost is 460 in [19:34] here so it's a [19:37] main their licensing and data and all [19:41] those fees over Korea did you say that [19:44] was a nice I think is that what you [19:46] said oh National Grid okay [19:55] sorry okay and uh two more things here [19:59] uh so um one is that our video server is [20:02] going to end up live next year around [20:05] February so I want to get the replace [20:08] that server with the new hardware and [20:10] new uh storage in there so that is [20:13] costing us with the license is like 32 [20:17] uh [20:21] 45 I think adding those Mak it same time [20:29] [Music] [20:35] yeah you missing you know what we should [20:37] do we should uh copy that list yeah I [20:41] was ask you that share that section [20:44] alone yeah so that we [20:48] have go ahead please so um this is all [20:51] shown up it's administrative expense [20:52] when it sounds really like a lot of its [20:54] equipment and contracts is there a [20:56] reason that it's shown like that as [20:58] opposed to because administrative people [21:01] think that you immediately go to [21:03] somebody's getting paid individual is [21:05] getting paid as opposed to a company or buying supplies so I was just [21:09] wondering if there's a reason that's [21:10] shown like that as opposed to showing it [21:16] as just the way it I think we just kep [21:20] the [21:21] same just the problems this year [21:25] grown cion [21:28] yeah would it be wise to move that under [21:30] it department since it's it related [21:33] stuff just it Department yeah but it's it's under street stre it's out in [21:39] the field so it's should be in there [21:43] most of stuff happens how feel [21:47] right unless you you want to do a 4 402a [21:51] say equipment or license [21:53] software [21:55] equipment and administr so you can [21:58] description change so he doesn't you [22:01] look at it administrative expense it's [22:03] not really administrative [22:05] expense yeah it would be helpful if you [22:08] can do that [22:10] easy [22:13] yeah any question for go ahead please so [22:17] it's about the smart so is this coming [22:18] out of smart City no this [22:21] is all right so do [22:25] we what is our balance there and I guess [22:27] I I guess trying to figure out how what [22:30] part of lighting you were getting out of [22:31] smart cities thought that was part of [22:35] it actually paying for the things smart [22:37] city is actually still paying for [22:40] instulation of fiber and other stuff [22:43] that was finishing throughout the city [22:45] that's what the Smart City when C [22:48] balance that's what we're doing with [22:49] that this is actually like the light [22:53] power and gas with the lights that's [22:54] actually the uh Power [23:02] whatever the question was what is the [23:04] balance [23:07] SM oh he's he does have he just put it [23:09] down to answer the question [23:12] okay yeah pleas this this is separate [23:15] this is yeah [23:17] so it would it would be helpful let's [23:19] add a line and put that away from [23:21] administrative anything in [23:22] administrative line leave it in there [23:24] and just move it out okay change the [23:26] title all right yeah thank any other [23:29] question for [23:31] about anything else you're missing you [23:34] want to highlight to us that is [23:36] not that's confidential [23:41] yeah don't get ENT that we're not [23:43] supposed to [23:44] be yeah so I was going to if you have [23:47] question or anything I I was going to [23:49] break down on what services and things [23:50] like that but you know I [23:53] think you don't want to tell the public [23:55] what you're doing you know getting go [23:58] right [24:06] yeah any other questions all right thank [24:08] you so much appreciate all you're doing [24:10] keep up good work thank you very much [24:13] you want to go now or you want to [24:17] pass take here with us and we'll go and [24:20] complete our hearing [24:24] sure all right so let's see l [24:30] all Department P [24:33] seven [24:36] sorry [24:40] Start has one one word at the bottom of [24:43] page [24:45] seven I was lost trying toig something I [24:48] found it on the [24:50] bottom top of [24:53] page depart [24:56] 842 the total law office inre by 1.9% [25:00] from 98,000 to 970,000 [25:06] approximately so ask [25:09] just give us a summary briefing what's [25:12] happening in Department you know sure [25:16] so this year um we so we are a revenue [25:21] generating Department we've closed this [25:23] year on 61 properties for a total of [25:27] 1,334 [25:29] $581 we filed the LZ appendant for the [25:32] next foreclosure with 430 properties on [25:35] it 45 have redeemed so far we're [25:39] planning to file the Foreclosure [25:40] petition in the next two weeks in [25:43] conjunction with the police department [25:44] we've set up the school bus ticket [25:46] program it has issued [25:49] $4,850 tickets at [25:51] $250 so far this year potential [25:55] estimated revenue on such would be about [25:57] 400 [25:59] ,000 we have um we have a first court [26:02] date for that scheduled on Friday for [26:04] people who are contesting their [26:06] tiets uh We've set up a process to [26:08] enforce the public nuisance Ordinance [26:11] one has successfully been prosecuted [26:13] three more are in the works we've done [26:15] all of this while still Prosecuting code [26:18] violations drafting legislation [26:20] defending the city in litigation and [26:22] providing legal advice with the council [26:24] the mayor and the partner [26:26] heads so in terms of our budget um we [26:31] have switched it up a little bit in [26:33] terms of attorney Staffing for next year [26:36] so there is a line for myself for the [26:39] Corporation Council there is a line for [26:42] a full-time assistant Corporation [26:46] Council then we have replaced the [26:51] deputy with and the full-time assistant [26:55] with four part-time assistant [26:58] corporation councils which are listed [27:01] under the [27:02] perum object [27:06] 121 we have we also have budgeted 55,000 [27:10] for uh law clerks and other [27:14] assistants also cover if any of the [27:16] assistant assistant Corporation councils [27:19] go above the number of hours that we [27:21] originally expected and then going back [27:24] up um our records access officer [27:28] um code enforcement specialist [27:30] confidential secretary ips3 uh those [27:33] positions are been standing in the [27:36] department um there has been I believe a [27:39] 3% raise applied to my salary and to [27:43] confidential secretary for both [27:46] management employees the others are um [27:50] our Union and we'll find out what [27:51] they're paid exactly once their contract [27:54] is finalized [27:58] um in terms of other [28:01] expenses um we budgeted 25,000 for [28:04] postage 2200 for administrative [28:07] expenses 15,000 for advertising 15,000 [28:11] for fees for services uh travel and [28:14] conferences that's uh that's [28:18] for label proba to be switched up a [28:20] little bit um that is for professional [28:24] development conferences as well as um [28:27] the bar registrations of myself and [28:30] other full-time assistant preparation [28:34] Council [28:37] um um outside legal services so we hire [28:41] outside Council [28:43] 85,000 uh litigation support [28:47] 35,000 supplies 4500 maintenance [28:50] agreements [28:51] 5,000 title searches 70,000 we do that [28:54] as part of the foreclosure process the [28:56] title searches [29:01] so any questions yeah [29:03] so why are you opting for part time [29:06] rather than [29:07] fulltime um system we have found that [29:10] hiring um part-time we're able to get [29:13] much more experienced people so we're [29:14] getting better bang for our [29:18] bu thank you go ahead please so so I see [29:24] that [29:26] like there's like 88 they're getting [29:28] like 65,000 for the part for the [29:31] part-time um corporate all well two of [29:35] them are getting 65 one's getting 48 so [29:38] this is like increasing the cost overall [29:39] because the deputy Corporation [29:43] Council if you even take if you divide [29:45] the salary in half you're still pay more [29:47] by two [29:48] assistance the salary that you're taking [29:50] out in addition to the other [29:55] two um I'm sorry so you're saying you my [29:59] understanding is you said that you took [30:00] out the deputy right at [30:03] 106 yeah and then uh added four parttime [30:06] four part time to cover that plus [30:09] another assistant plus a full-time [30:11] assistant fulltime assistant 82 and [30:15] 106 [30:18] 28 180 188 we decrease the per DM so if [30:24] you look at 2024 there was 95,000 [30:28] this year [30:29] budgeted or yeah so it's kind [30:33] of you've taken that out we've taken [30:35] that down to [30:37] 55,000 so assistant so part-time people [30:40] are always perum is my understanding so [30:44] that's why they're listed um below perum [30:47] salary but if you look at last year they [30:50] had 95,000 in perum we in in general [30:54] prium so we have 55,000 basically start [30:58] some other and these other [31:00] numbers would have normally been up [31:04] here but it does [31:06] it it winds up being relatively neutral [31:10] okay I mean if we look at the bottom [31:12] line um actually your overall total for [31:16] your department is down um like like [31:21] close to [31:23] 20 I was asked to make Cuts so why made [31:27] them [31:28] I want to say too even though they're [31:31] saying they don't get a salary of 65,000 [31:33] part time to get paid by whatever they [31:36] work that's the max they can so that's [31:38] up to [31:39] 65,000 cut [31:42] M can you cut them [31:44] off sometimes some guys 12 hours 15s [31:47] sometimes 20 you know so [31:51] um yeah I mean [31:53] we they're going on average now because [31:56] they are getting the ones that work by [31:58] the [31:59] hour uh they're getting paid less when [32:02] they work less than the number of hours [32:04] and more they so I'm going have to keep [32:06] an eye on the Total Lines [32:10] yeah have go ahead I think it's I mean [32:13] it seems like an interesting strategy [32:15] because you probably can bring in [32:17] different levels of expertise I mean [32:19] different um what am I trying to say [32:21] like different categories of expertise I [32:24] don't know the legal uh term but you [32:26] know so you might have [32:28] real estate you might have you know I I [32:30] don't know your work specifically but um [32:33] I looked at that and thought well that's [32:35] kind of cool that you can kind of um [32:38] handpick like different areas of [32:40] expertise um plus of course no benefits [32:44] so uh they don't get any benefits right [32:46] three of them do not get benefits one of [32:48] them does oh out of the part times yeah [32:50] but uh they don't the only benefits he [32:54] gets [32:55] is retirement [32:58] one of the part time does get benefits [33:01] but three [33:04] don't don't call don't they don't get [33:07] like medical stuff like that think he's [33:09] just in the retirement system that's all [33:12] which is required Social Security also [33:16] yeah any other [33:18] question go ahead please so just in [33:21] terms of hierarchy so the Corporation [33:23] Council is first with the next not be [33:26] Deputy or is it associate Corporation [33:29] Council um so the Corporation Council [33:32] will be at the top of the hierarchy and [33:34] then there are five assistant [33:37] Corporation councils if there was a [33:40] deputy would be the deputy fall next or [33:43] the depy would fall next yeah than [33:49] you any other [33:52] questions anything else you want I do [33:55] kind have a question this this just made [33:57] it C [33:58] so um so you're the fulltime offic [34:00] Corporation Council then we have the [34:01] assistant Corporation councel absent a [34:03] deputy Corporation councel and let's say [34:06] you're on vacation or your what at long [34:09] term so then who becomes that person [34:14] that is like kind of the law department [34:16] overall the skill set [34:19] for Gus Divine [34:26] Mission it could be part [34:29] time we work as a team part time here [34:31] and then Part Time Corporation [34:34] Council we work as a team so it could be [34:38] it depends on what the question is the [34:41] question is is who is like overall what [34:44] the question is coming up where you have [34:45] to answer it so whose expertise would [34:48] you call it oh okay so you're not what [34:51] is my question question [34:54] okay thank you ma'am [34:58] are we missing anything no I mean you're [35:01] more than welcome to add if you [35:04] like [35:07] yourself thank you so much thank you and [35:09] your team for all you doing for the city [35:11] thank you all right so you can have to [35:14] see there like um we'll go back to page [35:19] three no page two [35:22] sorry right yeah page [35:24] two Finance Administration [35:30] and we'll work our way down and close [35:33] Finance [35:36] Administration um the finance [35:39] Administration increased by [35:41] 3.44% from 397,000 to [35:45] 58,000 as you can see the increase is [35:47] due to the finance salary [35:50] increasing uh toct industry average [35:54] local p district uh the next um increase [35:59] is due to a retirement that will come in [36:02] 2025 [36:06] noing that up well since you since you [36:09] mentioned that um I noticed people asked [36:13] the councel for you know pay rais I [36:15] would consider not [36:17] reing 15% that's that's a serious [36:22] consideration Mak of [36:24] that okay and think about that sorry I'm just want to talk about the [36:31] reasons why the increase for both uh if uh if I if I were to leave and and we [36:38] need the opportunity to fill the [36:40] position deputy and and the [36:44] uh commissioner uh you we qualified [36:47] people and and the way to do it is is is [36:50] by salary to get qualified people if you [36:53] seen you read it in the paper like the [36:55] to of this commun uh there control which is a town of to 15,000 people [37:01] their controllers 142,000 a year uh the [37:06] town of uh the town of reram is 150,000 [37:09] for their controller and uh city of Troy [37:12] which is also small house is 150,000 so [37:15] what I'm saying is these numbers we [37:17] trying to reflect is is toh to get the [37:20] uh you can need proper and educated and [37:23] experienced people uh in this position [37:26] uh and it's [37:28] and that that is why we requested these [37:31] raises and [37:34] salaries [37:42] um Finance Administration that be [37:49] complete oh go ahead please on finance [37:52] ad so it's kind of a two-part question [37:54] it's in this and the next but there was [37:57] a reduction in the traveling conferences [38:00] in this section in the problem section [38:01] so I don't know if that's [38:04] or we decided usually set two for each [38:09] department this year we set one for [38:12] each cut [38:15] cutu we're looking to cut the budget [38:18] where we [38:21] can thank [38:24] you if those travel confer training is [38:28] necessary why cut it we S one set two [38:32] comes back what we usually do we have [38:34] two people going come back have them [38:37] speak to our departments this time we're [38:39] just going to have one you know yeah but [38:41] you don't have a budget for [38:44] the oh yeah oh for on 1310 the reason is [38:48] because uh two free LIC two [38:53] Li one for [38:58] great any other [39:01] question see none we'll move into [39:03] accounts and disbursement page [39:07] three dispersements [39:11] a1315 um the total dispersements [39:13] increased by [39:15] 4.10% 30,000 [39:19] 5,914 um the increase see is uh willing [39:22] to promote our Junior accountant to [39:24] accountant he's working really hard um [39:26] he's definitely a great to the team so [39:28] we uh it's another you know we want [39:30] retain good employees within the city um [39:35] other than that majority of this um [39:38] department has St to [39:42] in [39:47] questions see none we'll move to [39:51] page [39:55] 177 on alloc [39:58] insurance right at the bottom of P [40:00] [Music] [40:03] 17 [40:05] overon oh sorry sorry I miss that [40:11] yeah yeah where are you what page right [40:14] on top of page um bottom of page 16 oh [40:17] yeah yeah yeah I had a hard time find [40:19] that one nothing [40:20] Chang yeah [40:22] [Music] [40:29] now [40:32] insance [40:35] yes page 17 thank you section is all [40:41] insurances FL Insurance general [40:43] liability insurance cber insurance Dr [40:46] insurance insurance that's [40:48] our come from [40:51] 118% increase uh just due to the cost um [40:57] Mark [40:59] changes you know for general liability [41:02] stuff it's all part of insurance buiness [41:04] cost of things to repair and has [41:07] increased and you know we get got to pay [41:10] for [41:12] it any questions no seeing none we'll [41:16] move to page 18 judgments and claims and [41:19] undistributed expense a 1989 we did uh [41:23] have a mishap um we missed the senior [41:26] center 19 I believe coun Patrick noted [41:31] that so we are going adjust there and [41:34] we're going to be taking um 30,000 from [41:37] police and fire and our side of that and [41:42] mov into the senior for toal [41:46] 6,000 time um so there's two portions [41:51] fire and police they have aror section [41:53] for OT uh we're going to be reducing [41:56] those by 000 respectively U and moving [41:59] that AR funding into senior center for a [42:02] toal [42:03] 60,000 we we going through it today to [42:05] prepare for tonight we noticed it and I [42:08] think we sent the email to to you guys [42:12] to I I I did see that can may I just ask [42:15] a question so I did see that email but I [42:17] don't want to necessarily hurt the [42:19] police in fire overtime because I think [42:21] that we normally use all of that don't [42:23] we in a year [42:27] or increase [42:29] taxes no no we can take it [42:34] $60,000 it's not a big deal yeah exactly [42:37] it's not a big deal somewhere it's going [42:39] to come up from it's not to make a [42:41] difference all right rest of this uh [42:45] 1989 contingency funds uh those are [42:47] mostly used for emergency demolitions um [42:50] or other [42:52] emergencies um you see the credit card [42:55] fees that's uh just Bas of the cost [42:57] Business Services uh CL he has parking [43:03] um and that's [43:06] it parking uh for merchant services [43:09] credit card um terminal so those are the [43:13] that come from [43:17] that department [43:21] do so I was what I ask so the fees [43:24] coming from parking and other service [43:26] not really related to paying taxes [43:28] correct [43:30] yeah fees are coming out of there Reven [43:33] going the revenue yeah any other [43:37] question on these two [43:40] sections seeing none will move to [43:49] page I don't think you touch the police [43:52] with board there is a there is a $15,000 [43:56] there for for service we missed [43:59] it what page you page U [44:11] 35 [44:14] pleas [44:21] yes nothing's changed in this last year [44:25] um we're just looking at using [44:34] do you have the current actual PL [44:38] is, or [44:42] that's that's fine if you don't have it [44:44] that's fine [44:45] I I can find [44:48] it 3614 yeah [44:52] four uh the year to date is five [45:04] yeah go ahead please so of the 15,000 um [45:07] that's part of that for their training [45:09] to go to yes their conference well there [45:13] I know there's currently a conference [45:14] going on within the next month or [45:16] something so we wouldn't have gotten [45:17] those receipts yet because people are [45:19] paying out of their pocket and then [45:21] asking for re so we're going to see an [45:23] increase on that line [45:27] but not 15 but not over 15 I don't know [45:29] what it cost to the conference I have [45:31] like zero idea it [45:35] cost can we uh can we look into that [45:37] please there's any [45:41] outstanding is that like a annual type [45:44] of conference thing or yeah okay yes as [45:48] you can see in 2023 when they went spent [45:51] 3400 like say all depends on how many go [45:58] any other question on that if we'll move [46:00] to page [46:03] um page [46:07] 43 we [46:10] have service [46:13] 40 a 651 we that same [46:18] as [46:20] expenses um we didn't change any of the [46:25] um fors [46:27] um [46:28] so the veterans and youth programs and [46:30] celebrations there's no [46:35] change any updates on the you [46:37] [Music] [46:39] program partnership that we have with [46:41] the school and other agency utilizing [46:44] this [46:47] allocation I don't have any updates but [46:52] put something together part next week be [46:55] a call yeah you don't mind the reason [46:57] why I want to make sure that we we are [46:59] funding this adequate to support our [47:01] school and any other agency that is [47:03] dealing with uh with this the type of [47:05] service [47:06] that may last year increased with [47:10] interns throughout all [47:11] City one question want to make sure yeah [47:14] I want to make sure it's very successful [47:16] we want to make sure we fund it [47:18] adequately go ahead please so out of the [47:21] 150 were um there were you said there [47:24] were interns in City Hall and and were [47:27] there also does this include uh young [47:30] people who working other things outside [47:31] of City Hall I think we had some C yes [47:34] there were some parks I think Sam you [47:37] had one Finance it was uh [47:45] Finance [47:51] yes so yeah but from [47:57] school [47:59] she ex said the P was I'm sorry the pay [48:03] was not [48:05] no the P from the city [48:08] yeah they were [48:10] [Music] [48:13] 1550 so when I said um outside of the [48:16] city I didn't mean just City Hall what I [48:17] meant is were there other opportunities [48:19] for employment through this youth [48:21] program where they were in businesses [48:23] other than the city no this money was [48:25] all spent supporting City operations [48:28] give disposure to City operations thank [48:32] you any other question [48:37] on if now will move to page [48:41] 52 employee [48:52] benefits you want to discuss 875 today [48:56] [Music] [48:59] all right we got to go Friday [49:01] after [49:06] WR is is there not going to be a budget [49:10] 22 or 21 where does it come out we [49:14] funded [49:16] it no there's been no expenses I [49:20] guess he's a volunteer Chris is a [49:22] volunteer yes okay I thought he was a [49:25] parttime employee was also a volunteer [49:27] yeah oh I didn't know that yeah we have [49:30] not funded way back in on this page here [49:33] 2022 there were only $1,500 yeah since [49:40] 2021 [49:44] Bud [49:46] okay let's move to page [49:50] 52 Anthony this all [49:55] yours toal employ benefits increased 8% [49:59] from 36.5 36.6 million to 39.6 million [50:04] most of that could be attributed to uh [50:09] U employee benefits for retirement um uh [50:13] as you can see our police uh and Fire [50:16] Work time benefits from 9.7 to 12 [50:19] million this is Def again as I spoke to [50:22] you the other first day this directly [50:23] came from a state controller's office [50:26] and this is about funding the police and [50:29] fire and the new 384e for Poli [50:34] Department um the other big U increase [50:38] was uh from [50:42] uh Hospital medical insurance [50:46] um the biggest biggest increase went [50:49] from medical from 144 to [50:52] 151 and the the Medicare reimbursement [50:55] from a million to a million to 200,000 [50:57] increase uh this is just the cost of uh [51:00] you know what's happening in in the [51:02] medical business and Medicare we were [51:05] very conservative on this we actually [51:08] you [51:10] have person who specializes and it's to [51:13] look at it for us uh and we're we're [51:17] very like on the slim side of the margin [51:19] you know so if everything works out [51:22] we're not going to have a problem you [51:23] know if it doesn't you know we don't we [51:25] don't know all depends you know because [51:27] we're a self insurance so it really all [51:28] depends on one person because you know [51:31] we're really a small outfit if one [51:32] person gets very very sick uh you know [51:35] it can cost us you know a million dollars or so one of the biggest [51:39] things that we're working out with our [51:41] proac drug company is about specialized [51:44] U special specialized specialty drugs [51:48] which which has really in this last year [51:52] increased over [51:54] $700,000 cost you know [51:57] that's you know [51:59] hee TV what go the stuff fores believe [52:05] it or not is like you $30,000 a shot you [52:08] know [52:09] so that so that's that's the big thing [52:12] that we're watching we're working with [52:14] the not only with our COA company [52:17] they're working with the drug companies [52:19] for uh certificates [52:22] at yeah for rebates so that you know [52:25] that's where we're open uh [52:27] keep in this line at a tri Library we [52:30] were very lucky with our Medicare [52:32] Advantage plan last year we uh we got [52:35] into the plan with MP what we made to [52:38] guarantee us uh a certain rate for the [52:41] second year which which which they did [52:44] and as you can see it's costum sust it [52:47] did in [52:48] 2023 when we had a different group um [52:51] but we only had a 6% increase but I [52:54] heard other agencies even close by had [52:56] close to 50% increase on [52:59] their on the reimbursement plan so we [53:01] were very lucky that we know already [53:03] that next year we're going have to start [53:06] looking for another plan and see we can [53:08] get another R again you know jez is [53:10] there one reason why we moved from y to [53:13] us care us is [53:16] MVP we're at yeah was pulling out of the [53:20] market [53:27] we went to MVP's us T so our our [53:31] retirees who live throughout the country [53:33] are covered okay got you and that's off [53:37] to uh me see what else have there next [53:40] page oh I'm sorry there any question on [53:45] this so let me just pull my questions [53:48] think I question I think I think M are [53:50] answer yeah you can ask [53:56] yeah I all right let's move to [54:00] page well I just want to I do want to [54:02] say that I think those discount programs [54:05] that might be an interesting like either [54:07] e newsletter or training um not training [54:10] but um something to get out to the [54:12] employees because I think there's so [54:14] many of them that's that's done behind [54:15] the scenes our we work with our drug [54:17] company that actually does that oh they [54:19] do do that they do that for us [54:21] okay more and more that's that's what's [54:24] keep helping us keep keep that line [54:26] going [54:27] but even with that the the cost doesn't [54:29] reflect the real true cost of the actual [54:31] medicine it's absolutely ridiculous oh [54:33] yeah it's [54:34] crazy country the world it's absolutely [54:37] disgusting we we actually in in our part [54:40] of our plan we have what's called canx [54:42] yeah which we get drugs that [54:44] unbelievably you know almost uh 30% [54:47] cheaper than the American said but [54:49] there's only they can only do a certain [54:52] um what's the word you call a certain [54:55] amount of drugs it can't be uh generic [54:58] so it's a very very small list very [55:01] small list and it saves US money but you [55:05] know uh it's just too small that it's [55:07] not to do drugs a lot of our employees [55:09] use you know we do we do have some Habit [55:11] to do two we save money on [55:15] it um I think the next big uh our next [55:18] big [55:20] U next [55:21] big is debt Debt Service page 54 [55:28] that would be the end our Deb service [55:30] you know went from 7.6 million to 93 [55:34] million U that was because of you know [55:37] uh [55:38] we banded more money last year now we [55:41] have two years Advance our if you see [55:44] our debt service for bonds and uh uh [55:47] other stuff that really actually gone [55:50] down for our serial bonds a big increase [55:52] was because we banded another year so [55:55] the cost of you know paying the interest [55:57] of those BS and principal you know is [56:00] went up [56:01] 900,000 and also if you see the [56:06] installment purchases we purchased the [56:07] new fire truck so right now we have two [56:10] that we're paying off and so that's mil4 [56:15] is that's is the increase [56:21] of and talking about Debt Service you [56:23] know our debt what we try to do is uh is [56:27] we're waiting to uh to see what the [56:29] interest rates go down we know it went [56:32] by went down half% what we do we work [56:34] with our fiscal advisers and we see what [56:37] the other municipalities are getting the [56:39] rates are that's when we decide uh if [56:41] we're going to B the bond we try [56:43] internally our our plan internally is [56:46] keep everything below [56:47] 4% so really you know as you remember [56:50] the past few years we refinance all our [56:52] old Lins you know to below 4% so that [56:56] that's actually helping us in the long [56:58] run U right now our bands are right at [57:01] that limit they're like at 4 [57:03] 3.96 so that's why we're continue to [57:05] band if we see that the uh the interest [57:08] rates are go down then we we will bind [57:10] those bands you [57:12] know yeah it's always so you you got to [57:16] play the game to you know try to save [57:18] money absolutely yeah wait until the [57:21] interest rate um it's going to drop at [57:24] some point in time we we think it's [57:26] going to happen after the [57:29] election's going to be there I think [57:31] makes makes a [57:42] difference just wants to hear from I'm [57:44] not [57:48] pass talking about lead lead pipes in [57:52] the city thing I just read an article uh [57:55] I think it was last about uh President [57:57] Biden is actually putting out a plan yes [58:00] to to to you know fun that stuff so so [58:04] that's good news for us we're we're [58:06] about to do a survey we're going to have [58:08] funding to do the survey is coming up [58:11] Monday Tuesday when do the election so [58:13] we're hoping that if we can do that be [58:16] great for all of us it's a great help [58:17] and that was that's a question [58:18] everybody's asking who's going to pay [58:20] for this and that's why we need the [58:22] message all to the the community to let [58:24] them know that there is federal fund [58:30] available it's not available yet but [58:32] it's available but we just [58:36] have now you said it is available no [58:38] it's not it's going to be [58:42] available is pushing it we're looking at [58:44] Grand people to say yes they got to vot [58:47] it [58:47] [Music] [58:49] through any other question on this [58:52] section all right are we missing [58:54] anything there [58:56] think uh [58:58] commission we [59:01] everything yeah we did did Jud [59:04] that's so the major thing in this whole [59:07] budget as I mentioned the first day was [59:09] you know benefits uh [59:14] debt salaries [59:16] and and [59:19] retirement big [59:23] factors that's that's that's you got to [59:26] pay your employees you got to you know [59:28] you got to pay the benefits and that's [59:30] what the costs are and you know like if [59:34] you're a business you know you raise [59:35] your prices and government we try to [59:38] find the other revenues which which [59:40] we're doing with uh sales taxs with the [59:44] um cannabis with the bus stop with the [59:48] sell houses with you know do all this [59:51] but our other course you know you have [59:53] to raise fees and taxes and I'm sorry to [59:55] say that I don't want to do because I I [59:57] got to pay too you know but but that's just the thing of business you [1:00:02] know I mean you so living for your in [1:00:05] your house and you have to you have to [1:00:07] raise the fees and [1:00:10] taxes go ahead please just on a side [1:00:14] note I wasn't the one meeting with the [1:00:16] clerk's office and the dog licensing [1:00:20] fees that I think is fairly [1:00:22] straightforward to but I don't know see [1:00:23] if you covered it the [1:00:27] platform it's evolving would allow for [1:00:31] the registration of cats other [1:00:34] animals uh we're not looking to [1:00:37] licensing because that'll fill City Hall [1:00:39] people but people could put it into the [1:00:42] system put a picture there so that if [1:00:45] the fire department was going to the [1:00:47] house they'd know there's a cat there [1:00:49] that's great if the animal got lost or [1:00:52] something or other pets or other pets [1:00:54] too uh [1:00:57] but would look so it's not for free [1:01:00] there is a cost you type and maintain it [1:01:03] a little bit so it's you know 10 bucks [1:01:05] 20 bucks and I don't know if that's been [1:01:09] included that's I want to say we need [1:01:10] something of the S to added in does that [1:01:13] need to be by resolution or does it need [1:01:16] to be an ordinance I don't I think it's [1:01:19] an ordinance well I don't know on that [1:01:21] fee structure was that change so that [1:01:24] the the dog licenses could be done by [1:01:27] resolution it wasn't changed to that we [1:01:30] were changing we're going to be having a [1:01:31] public hearing Tuesday to change the [1:01:33] ordinance for the dog licenses but that [1:01:35] doesn't include the other pets and it [1:01:37] doesn't include changing by [1:01:40] resolution but the other thing with cats [1:01:43] and other pets we have nothing in the [1:01:46] ordinance or CH regarding that I don't [1:01:49] know if that needs to be added in or can [1:01:51] put in my [1:01:53] resolution can we uh [1:01:57] maybe submit something in favor of that [1:02:00] so it's part of the record and the [1:02:02] council [1:02:04] to do it by resolution going forward and [1:02:08] adding the other pets in it you know [1:02:11] again say it's $20 registration it's one [1:02:14] time [1:02:15] fee [1:02:17] uh you want it a one time fee because [1:02:20] what if a person moves or they have you [1:02:24] know we want to have it maintained [1:02:27] yearly so that we know that the animal [1:02:29] is still there at the house like the dog [1:02:31] lies [1:02:33] yeah we put more burden on you doing the [1:02:36] upkeep yes that would be the [1:02:39] ideal component I mean because [1:02:41] eventually what we're hoping is that our [1:02:43] police would know that there's a pet [1:02:45] there to be rescued or you know taken [1:02:48] care of whatever the case [1:02:50] is is it registered how is it [1:02:53] registered we'll have a well we don't we [1:02:56] don't do a registry now but we're [1:02:58] looking to implement it put it [1:03:02] incription [1:03:13] work legal to see what is needed and if [1:03:16] we need an ordinance or a resolution or [1:03:19] we need to amend anything and move [1:03:20] forward to next week to add this as part [1:03:23] of our Fe structure those Fe they're not [1:03:26] in the is that Revenue oh oh yeah okay [1:03:30] yeah yeah the revenue yeah the PD add [1:03:32] all [1:03:33] those and also [1:03:36] afor so we'll follow up on that um in [1:03:40] the next couple [1:03:44] days so so would that up our Revenue [1:03:47] well actually we have okay S I see that [1:03:51] that's not going to be change the bottom [1:03:53] line offset a little bit of the expenses [1:03:56] and I hope to next year maybe add uh two [1:04:00] home rules to change the cost of birth [1:04:02] and death we haven't increased it in [1:04:04] maybe two or more decades Albany has [1:04:08] increased theirs but the only way we can [1:04:10] change it is through home roll [1:04:14] okay mean you mean to come and get a [1:04:17] death certificate yeah the cost to get a [1:04:19] copy of it we can't do anything with [1:04:21] marriages but birth and death [1:04:24] yes St raise their fees but don't allow [1:04:27] the locali to raise theirs I [1:04:32] see do you have to wait till next year [1:04:34] to start the home why don't we start as [1:04:38] hardly as we can and get those into the [1:04:42] assembly start in [1:04:45] January saying we can start put them [1:04:48] together and get them we it out yeah so [1:04:51] I think we should work on that in the [1:04:52] next couple Cycles [1:04:56] any other [1:04:57] questions go ahead the overall amount on [1:04:59] in this budget for ARA is one is 3.1 [1:05:02] million yeah [1:05:10] Milli there was a spread sheet CL is [1:05:19] 38278 all right um well the other [1:05:22] question that came up the other day um [1:05:23] Mr rush but you were sitting on [1:05:26] but um about the 88 properties which is [1:05:31] a little bit over 2 million that of U [1:05:34] pending for no [1:05:39] sales um so we have 86 properties [1:05:42] according to our [1:05:43] records [1:05:45] um cancel so be [1:05:48] 83 um have 29 active [1:05:53] closings we have 12 that are waiting for [1:05:55] re [1:05:56] forclosure we have 15 that are [1:05:59] contracted to bcni as an [1:06:01] option um and two properties are [1:06:04] licensed and the others um are in [1:06:07] different phases some of these are from [1:06:10] old resolutions so we have to locate the [1:06:13] contracts my understanding is my [1:06:15] predecessor used to do some sales based [1:06:18] just on resolution so we're collecting [1:06:21] some data on some of the ones that we [1:06:23] need to locate the contracts on [1:06:26] so you said there was 29 that active [1:06:28] closings right now yeah so what I mean [1:06:31] by that is U we either got clear a close [1:06:34] or we've ordered title we're somewhere [1:06:36] in the middle of closing sometimes they [1:06:39] the buyer has to wait for the bank to [1:06:40] get back to them so um I mean there [1:06:44] that's what I counted from my my records [1:06:47] so there's no um like estimate of how [1:06:50] much money we would taken from those who [1:06:52] are at least in that process those 20 I [1:06:56] mean I can put that together for you for [1:06:58] Monday if you like Tuesday or Tuesday [1:07:01] for the next committee [1:07:03] meeting but yeah I can put that together [1:07:06] the amount from the active V Active [1:07:09] closings sure right thank you if you can [1:07:11] do that next week for Tuesday Yeah [1:07:14] Tuesday or Wednesday one of [1:07:16] those any other [1:07:20] this so we'll um we'll recess but before [1:07:24] we recess there is some over water so [1:07:26] and waste collection want to just have a [1:07:29] brief with Mr because he had to leave so [1:07:32] Tuesday we'll breing that and then we'll [1:07:35] go into Council discussion I encourage [1:07:37] you every member please if you have [1:07:39] questions reports you need please reach [1:07:42] out to myself Anthony Derek [1:07:44] mayor get to report submit your um your [1:07:48] email your text for call don't hesitate [1:07:51] because we're looking to aggressively [1:07:53] move Tuesday Wednesday Thursday and [1:07:55] Friday [1:07:56] and to make sure we work together to [1:08:00] achieve the conclusion as fast as we can [1:08:03] so I beg of you to submit your [1:08:06] questions answers report whatever you [1:08:08] need go through the all the report that [1:08:10] we have here we did not go through them [1:08:12] as yet in detail or please go through [1:08:14] them any question on the ARA please [1:08:16] reach out to Derek Anthony any one of [1:08:18] those report that you have the time over [1:08:20] the weekend the long weekend go through [1:08:22] them if you need an U actual not a copy [1:08:25] or you identify a specific line for [1:08:27] actual please reach out there's also a [1:08:30] new copy of the budget to separate the [1:08:33] arpa this copy here please go through it [1:08:36] the one we were giving the other day yes [1:08:38] so P reach out and let's um make sure [1:08:41] that we have all the information that [1:08:42] you [1:08:44] needed excuse I understand Tuesday are [1:08:47] we going to beet again yes is that [1:08:49] before yes we'll do we'll do um we'll [1:08:52] meet at 5:30 and then we'll close them [1:08:55] and go to our regular city council [1:08:57] meeting we don't want to waste an hour [1:08:59] and a half is is crucial so let's [1:09:02] utilize all the time that we have next [1:09:03] week so did you let yes I I notify him [1:09:10] yes any other business support finance [1:09:12] committee a motion to recess until 5:30 [1:09:16] Tuesday October [1:09:20] 15 second all in favor I thank you [1:09:23] everyone have a good evening [1:09:26] I so who won the non vet nobody won the [1:09:32] Nonet I said 630 I got Clos I said says [1:09:36] you said what she was I think I said 710 [1:09:39] yes so I think I won [1:09:54] by [1:10:24] e e