thank
you oh thank you
[Music]
like to call the EMP city council
committee meeting for
Wednesday October
we have one
committee Finance thank you madam
president I would like to reconvene the
finance committee and we will continue
um our discussion regarding the 2025 um
proposed um
budget just to summarize we um concluded
our um hearing with the various
department heads and um tonight what I'm
going to ask there's a lot of reports
that are submit to us um that we
requested some of us what I'll do I'll
just go through the reports one by one
and ask any questions after we finish
that then we'll we'll start an open
discussion of where we um what
suggestion we have
or and we an open dialogue as we move
forward U into any recommendation that
we may
have so this evening um we have this one
here on Top This is the um report from
um B regards to the bre D or $710,000
and that has to do with the street
lighting administrative expense
[Music]
CLI on time if you have any
questions can help here
questions one of the the discuss
recommendation was to um
create another line instead of moving
some of these from administrative
expense that doesn't belong to
administrative expense to separate 402a
or one we were going to call it software
and equipment that okay with
you that's fin me I mean what the other
member think about it so that
WEP separate what is what is equipment
and what is actually administrative
exence
this is all software stuff here so so do
we name the entire line no we'll have to
add another line 402 what is it
A2 believe B actually going to be
427 a518
4277
yeah it's to be called software okay
yeah
what are you going to name it software yeah it's all software or
Hardware to this is software and
Hardware this is mostly all
software server upgrades maintenance
lies
renewals software
renewals we have a we have a a count
master in the count 27 is sof so oh okay that's want to know where we coming
to the 427 okay got
you all we go to this one here any
um question on the
breakdown the next one I'm going to go
the is the
arpa it's a break that we have we
received from Anthony regards to the
arpa spending and this
CH the arpa
[Music]
funding okay sorry I I have them in my
order you may not have them in your
order
that's
it this copy here want no no we have we
should have copies everyone if you need
copies by any chance let us know or we
can share
[Music]
is the office open
S is the office open
[Music]
yes two copies of
[Music]
this I
[Music]
we can make copies
[Music]
a little
festivity everyone should have a copy of
this report here from um from fam with
regards to the
compensation for the reg
that
yes please um P this if you have
questions we can uh we the stand and we
can go with
this but this is just telling us exactly
what
uh anybody need a copy of
this okay so have a copy so we can go
over um this if we have any questions
please um
[Music]
ask I he the questions go ahead please
call me so um a441
assistant and city engineer moved to
police you explain that pleas yeah as
you Rec call remember the first day here
that was the long line we eliminated
that so what happened went to police
over time so the money that was there
yeah yeah because it was not an Aral
line because the uh the Aral line for
assistant police chief the assistant uh
engineer we eliminated that
position and how much was that I believe
it was 90,000
0
$19 probably in the first budget right
go ahead please I just wanted uh to
recall too uh uh we reduced uh peace
overtime and fire overtime by
30,000 because we want to supplement the
senior center program with arpa so we
took the arle money from police of fire
I spoke about this and we took it and we
moved it to Senior Center ARA yeah um
the question the question on that can we take that $6,000 from somewhere
else take a
look I I I would suggest that we take a
look and see if we can take that
somewhere from somewhere else
good um if you don't mind please make a
note of that so it's 30,000 plus 30 on
the Fire
it it doesn't show is something yeah you
did talk about it and then I think there
was some question around it Patrick has
some question about that too so why why
take it from the police Empire yeah so
recommendation is that if we can find
somewhere else take
it was it for for me it was like the
spur a moment thing that was the easiest
thing to pick
up well we don't want to be the
newspaper tomorrow that we're taking
the
police
so my big question is $3 million of arpa
funding for these um these position or
you know or or supplies or
equipments if we were to carry this into
next year and we don't have offer we
have to find $3
million to to sustain
this how how do we I'm trying to you
know be careful what I say how how are
we in appro genic here in terms of
this I have always looked at our our
biggest liabilities it's also one of our
biggest assets it's distressed
property so we doing the foreclosures
how do we bring it in and be able to
Market it
uh we keep chipping away at it as you
drive through neighborhoods you see the
improvements people are fixing up their
houses uh some of the sales of course
are not perfect but most of them done
are good stories people gone in bought
the houses fixed them up are living
there even ones that have been flipped
which you know it's not necessarily the
primary goal of the uh my Administration
for the council but we end up being
owner occupied houses and so that is
still an area
where
there's call it roughly $4
million in potential revenue and the
other side of it is the reduction
in general operating expenses so we
don't have to send code enforcement out
we don't have to send the police inqu
there we're not babysitting it uh and it
also encourages the adjacent Property
Owners feel more comfortable in fixing
their property
up and this lead me to ask a question in
terms of the um Law Department hiring um
assistant operation Council
um there be any consideration to
hire one or few or three to with real
estate experience to help you push the sales is that something that can be
considered so can I strengthen the
office with more of legal yes it could be considered yes it is
considered and some of that is also uh
some of a dynamic process so that if in
fact we can get all the properties lined
up do the foreclosures be able to Market
them we can look to
either uh bring people on to be on staff
or reach out to existing law firms who
uh as we do for labor attorneys we have
firms on retainer that we pay more on an
as needed basis than as opposed to a
regular salary so that that builds some
flexibility into it where if we can use
the existing staff we'll do that if the
workload shifts or the opportunity is
there to move uh bigger projects or
bigger numbers that we have the ability
to go up and bring in outside
Council yeah that that kind of lead me
back to you mentioned just about we're
seeing the impact in our neigh that
people are investing people are you know
buying these houses they're spending a
lot of money but um My Little concern is
that
we i' say we going to put all of us in
that that we kind of lack code
enforcement what you mentioned I'm going
to use your word the common sense
approach to what's happening there and
I'm glad that you doing something here
to address those things and kind of
address it nip it in the but can move on
apply Common Sense where we cannot we
need to bring people in right to provide
the service and if we are driving in
away we're losing revenue and what's
happening in some areas right now
because I don't feel people are talking
to me that why do I want to come in here
to do service when I have to wait you
know six weeks four weeks so that and I
know that you approach that very your
message loud and
clear deal that no I'm just talking
about it but you did you did approach it
and you put things in place and put some
changes so I just want to commend you on
that because those things if we didn't
address it it would have created a m
impact with C enforcement providing
service
to our home and some people do use an
example your family had a extremely
severe fire on 8th
Avenue
uh Fire Chiefs here they did a good job
came in uh you
know that house has basically been fully
restored yes there's one two blocks down
that is still sitting there there I was
there uh two days ago looking at it
again it's one where we've got a follow
up on uh you know again it was a tragic
event I believe that building had
insurance but you know people are just
making poor choices where you get a a
house that sits there
uh burned out vacant and uh you know
it's really a negative influence where
you come the example where you turned it
around and your family fixed up and yeah
he did a good job and thanks to the Fire
Department chief was there through the
day with his with his firefighters did a
good job death fire out himself yeah no
he didn't I would say that um he was he
was there with know Serv and they restor
that building way before they got the
insurance money so they were aggressive
they know what they have to do and
that's a that's a good example of people
taking responsibility and now leaving it
behind so mayor are you you said that we
have like $4 million in properties
distress properties currently that we
well approximately that if we sell them
that's what I'm proposing in the 25
budget
and you your questions on the 25 Budget
on the 26 budget of course the 26 budget
is harder to project but if we continue
to chip away on it there's real
value so not not in the 25 that you're
projecting it for the 20 that we sell
that because it's not in terms of U
Revenue it's not showing there so yeah I think that was a question is that
this is this in this budget when we come
next year for the 2026 budget we're
going to have we're going to have to
locate $3 million that's what the M
seeing towards where we are stearing on
$4 million in home sales right that can
help to offset this so that will show up
in revenue for the 2026 budget
corre ahead I'm sorry I'm just a little
confused about that so we do have it in
the 25 budget that we're projecting to
bring in um 4.5 million in home sales um
and so but we also
have the co assistance of this 3 million
in the revenue of the budget
so um so we still would have to make up
like a million something is that what
we're thinking question is if we were to
keep if we were to say okay we're going
to take the 2025 budget as is into
2026 how do we fund this AR allocation
where do we account for this $3 million
understand I understand but so would we
have to sell even more property I guess
is what I'm trying to say back down the
taxx roles so
tax revenue goes up gotcha is it's a
it's not it's an overly simplistic
analysis to say everything shows up in
one line so there's actually when people
fix their property up there's sales tax
revenue that goes out uh on our closings
now we we charge the $500 in advance for
putting the permit system in place uh so
again there's additional Revenue there
in reduction in expenses there's a
combination add that is a tax base
increase the sale of the property
mortgage tax and the the fees permit
fees I understand that thank you
combination of
everything 2026 no I just want to bring
that to the table so I don't want to
feel that well we're we're scaring on
anything there there opportunity out
there to address
this and also this doesn't include the
um the pending sales that we talked
about couple days ago right when does or
maybe I should say does that figure
include those sales those 29 I think
prob some of it is going to happen in 24
okay some of it the nature of the
closings May drag
into
25 and we sometimes play around with it
a little bit in December you credit it
in 24 or you credit it in 25 finance
department looks at it where was the
good
faith uh date that we thought it was
going to happen
so thank
you any other question on this
um see then move forward the next one
um we should all have this um from Sam
and just explain the register
on the money that was to that line is
not really as
tight so we just want to make sure that
we address
[Music]
that the next report is um what I would
say smart city so yeah Smart City
allocation we should all have this
report here
this is a breakdown from 20 2018 192
21 that
it was
$100 I remember
being yeah but I print print
on I'm sure I have it I just have to
find it
[Music]
just down we can make
copies yeah that's fine we make copies
we have to go through
sorry
Char what's the name of it smart city oh
it was a newer one one new
on oh I have it right here on top yeah
for everyone
yes every report i reive y
oh okay
[Music]
in the meantime you can you can pull
these two report these were questions
from um um
[Music]
and the reason why I'm doing is you want
to make sure that we address all the
reports that was asked and provide to us
I I don't want to leave any behind and
leave anything that is not um you know
discussed and if there's any outstanding
questions you are welcome to us
Anthony anything that we need to brief
on here or this straight forward I think
it's pretty straight forward if you look
at the bottom part tells you what the
approved budget was tells you you know
any adjustments we made uh then it has
the approved budget amounts and then
expenditures through uh uh
2024 uh and then the over or the
balances are on the bottom line just
wanted to make sure to to let you know
the CV CV connection ig9
that is the cdbg grant through the state
that we received those funds um which
initially were just about to be receive
those funds we are finishing up we have
balance of 50,000 left and U as the
matter right they're still they're still
putting fiber in the ground right
correct it's
200,000 still out there
b for everything
off can get next the real value of that
project we some of who going to do an
executive set give a briefing on the
fire today but some of the things that
were uh deployed or used every day but
the fiber is going to be there for 50 or
100 years it's like water and sewer
telephone uh so more
things develop and can utilize that's
going to be the full value of that
project any question on this smart City
allocation see now we move to um the
questions Miss Patrick I think some of
these were they were they were
[Music]
answer oh yeah I think we went we went
over them in detail at each of them
meeting so I'm comfortable but I I don't
know if anybody else anybody has any
followup to these
questions see none we'll move to the
um we should all have go ahead sorry
please yeah um this question was asked
on the 9th of um of October and there is
the reduction in the public safety
foundation and so we yes I I have that a
note to talk about um the $5,000 yes
yeah well we can you can go ahead talk
about it so um that that was my question
I know that they said they were asked to
reduce their budget and it was 25,000
and that's like what they do with
Community engagement being out there and
all that and so that budget was reduced
to
$5,000
so the the fire department remain the
same 25,000 but 20,000 is taken out of
here and so if we're really talking
about Community engagement all that in
terms of police with the community I
think we should we consider trying to
put that back on that budget line and
the other Dynamic with that is Public
Safety Foundation some of it uh real
goal is to have both departments work
with individuals within the community
and do some independent fundraises the
old D program used to do a haunted house
for Halloween and so some of it is that
just use general tax dollars for it but
to encourage people to support the
public safety foundation and hopefully
through that manner build a broader
network uh where people are working
together and supporting again those
efforts in the public safety field I
understand that but that's not in play
shap so this is really kind basically
decimated that line without that in
place the foundation is there so some of
the challenges people go out and raise
money but yes so understand what you're
coming from the
council yeah that was one of my um
suggestion when we discussed the budget
um line by line was um to continue to
fund that but at the same time you know
we have 25,000 under the fire and 5,000
here and the approach is to encourage uh
um membership to go to seek um funding
from other
sources how much did they spend on that
line this year to dat yeah well not year
to dat but previous year they are they
using that money
sorry
[Music]
use the both department will share the
expense in terms of the outre they do
within the
community G the number are you
requesting that I try to find no I'm
kind of I don't know if this feasible
since we are you could give them 15,000
fire department 15,000 of the police
department that's what I was thinking
it's feasible to kind of like a good 253
splited 155 each and can I encourage um
to go to seek um funding from other
sources to help
them I here to see this line I do not
want to see this line go away ID
Department to fund them
what's the L number please it's um a
2120 402b go ahead please a312 page
20 so it's a3120 402a 402b I Know Chief
um Marino stepped out one of the things
I appreciate that the fire department
does is they intentionally invest in
like different organizations throughout
the years so even if they're not in
place I think their impact or their
support of certain organizations is felt
and and I imagine that in Chief Marino's
capacity they have programs or
organizations they annually fund with
this ex with their full um allotment for
this line in place so I don't know if uh
splitting that between this and fire may
put some of those programs um at at a
negative expense um I will say publicly
I I think it looked poorly optically for
that to be one of the lines that were
adjust Ed for the police department um
definitely with conversations
surrounding community and police
interactions I am proud to say I'm I'm
confident in the work that's been done
and is being done especially within our
school district as we've had recent
events it's important to have a fully
sta police force in place um but
continually investing in the community
is something that needs to be ongoing at
the full capacity so from my
understanding this is my third budget
cycle definitely have having um a lot of
conversations in one go is is pretty
tasking so from my perspective I was
looking at identifying just where
people's um stances were with some lines
and then allowing uh the finance
department to either adjust or we can
have follow on discussions throughout
the remainder of the week of how do we
identify Monies to support any of our
positions but I think having that
complicated conversation Al together it
just it makes for a tasking evening
I shared the same concern from the
beginning I identifi this reduction and
you it what is the actual to
date you able
to
yeah you're absolutely
correct we've seen the the creation into
the neighborhood and the support toal
organization
to kind of bring awareness to what's
happening police departments on the fire
and you know it's something that we
should support I mean if it's 15,000
20,000 it will help
a31
2042 through end of September
[Music]
$3,646
25 2
corre yeah I meant 25,000 oh 25,000 25
so do we know if there's anything out
there that like right now they're coming
up they're doing what do they call that
thing is coming up this week scity or
whatever scity will come up and they buy
candy so dides that come out of this
budget line usually yes what what is the
actual for the police department that is
3ry 410
28 fire department sorry 3410 4028
[Music]
4028 it's on page 28 I believe that's
correct
28 I find it on
this2 316 is
$2,556 oh
they are doing
op so we and we we still have to see
what the cost is
for but as Mr William said apparently
they're also helping organizations when
they put things on and that's how
they're spending their money as
well and in addition the police
department I think they get things
donated to them that's not costing them
anything because they give away some
serious
stuff and I believe uh I was told I'm
not I was told that some of the stuff
that they get was
donated that may be how they keep that
line down pleas also have
83142 a Outreach and that year get
530
two yeah they've been drawing on the
line just above
that is
2 a
Outreach the other one you said they
another line 402 402b and then
[Music]
402 20123 their actual expenses
were U uh out of this budget of 6,000
they spent 1,000 and not 25,000 SP 6,000
in 2023
that's probably where they that's why
they probably felt comfortable
cutting well these are both um these are
both from arund so no matter how we cut
the must they won't be there next year
to spend so um one year they did spend
more than the 5,000 so I I definitely
think we should increase it beyond the
5,000
15,000 was mentioned and again we have
the um expense that we don't know what's
going to happen for this October thing
and I don't know if they do anything in
um for
Christmas it's conceivable that there's
going to be more money spend in what
we're seeing right now we did have one
donor this year $110,000 or
$5,000 for what that for Public Safety
Foundation Public Safety Foundation
H I know there was something with the
school
district the foundation I believe with
the haircut this
was this was just an individual who made
a donation to the city for that specific
use so is that money coming in help in
that yeah that's so that's that could
be
10,000 can we increase that the F to that
whatever that amount is for
now okay my question would so it's it's
a donor then the money is there it's not
even our it's an outside donor who
specifically wanted to donate to that so
it's not even our bit other
money and where would that show up in
revenue or do you show that probably
under
miscellaneous Like Only You
I think one of the challenges um just in
conversations I've had are that again I
mean running events for them to be
running events and using that that
funding is can be challenging also
because you know they're doing police
work so I mean part of you know it might
be interesting to think about whether we
need somebody that we use some of the
money to pay someone um that would
actually be working with either with
both either or both of the Departments
to actually put on some of these things
um just as just as a suggestion so I
think that's what they pay they pay a
vendor to for supplies and things like
that so they manage program or they just
pay for the supplies and and items or
you know Supply food water whatever to
carry out that event I just mean
coordinating the events you know you
know what I mean as opposed to the
supplies for generally they attend
events that other people have already
coordinated like the 518 like the
basketball thing that they were doing so
it's someone other group that
coordinates and then they invite them to
come and bring all the goodies so I
don't know that we necessarily need a
separate coordinator because the events
happen and then the police show up um to
support it and bring all the giveaways
like like part well National 9 was part
of 518 so you so I I don't I don't know
that we could afford the expense of
someone because it's not like even a
full-time job no no it's not a full-time
job
just a suggestion and then also I think
an important component is with these
community outreach lines in my
perspective it's how do we prevent fires
how do we prevent crimes and I think by
embracing and engaging the community
proactively where we address or provide
some context to what they do or what
policing involves or entails in in the
city of concy I think it reassures
people that the Poli are present and it
also provides a friendly face to if you
have any questions or if there are any
Miss interpretations but I think for the
benefit of this line it it helps to
present and address issues before they
happen into Chief Marino's comment he
made earlier we can't quantify fires
that didn't happen we can't quantify
crimes that didn't happen but for this
budget I think it truly it pays for
itself and that's why I think having
this being ongoing permanent line in the
budget uh just ensures that generation
after generation they understand the
importance of the police their community
and also it presents how the police
should interact with their
Community I think it's just really first
time you engage a police officer you
don't want it to be in the midst of a
crisis right and I think that's kind of
the same thing for our fire department
so that's pretty clear um value there
and I do think that them leveraging some of the uh Community uh things that
are already existing to kind of
contribute to it that again that just
reinforces you know partnership and in a
really meaningful way so it doesn't look
like um you know as you know a
performative thing just showing up it's
like showing up and contributing you
know uh to the cause is I think
important for that so I think we're on
the same
pact I I do want to clarify that I don't
want to take money away from them um and
I absolutely value the them being
involved in all these
events I se a conversation here and I
think for many of us and I can speak for
myself is that we're looking to going
forward into next year to meet this line
permanent I don't think there's
absolutely no push back on that is to
make this line permanent so yes it's in
low this year but these lines will
eventually the next budget be permanent
in our budget and funded from General
Reserve I mean look at it it's to bring
it up to 25,000 is 20,000
M um
if we have I don't know what the amount
is is 10,000 or $5,000 was donated can
we can we kind of subsidize that
whatever that amount is and put the the
balance and bring it back some of that
in fact they may you s that money for
like buying some of the candy
for scare
activity cheack that information down
tomorrow yeah whatever the difference is
I don't have an objection I from the
beginning I said we need to bring this
line back to 25 to match the the fire
department and to keep it at $50,000 so
they have that money available to them
continue the Outreach continue the good
work they're doing uh in our
neighborhood to can of
subsidize these uh events from the local
organization and both department has
been doing a fantastic job sing
that so we wait we can put that as as an
item to revisit and we're just steering
down $20,000 which is not for 20,000
more right yes I look for it
tomorrow you got 6 got 60 already for
yeah I like that all right 20
tomorrow that's no I think all of us are very supportive of that yeah the
next one we'll talk about
the arle we should have this report here
let's go through this m I think there
are some some questions on
[Music]
this all right we need to make copies
anybody
anybody's missing you get copy yes sir
all right
[Music]
[Applause]
[Music]
all right this was a thank you all
right really fast before we move into
this discussion I just so um the
anti-racism training that's funded from
a different line for the police or that
call can you call the page oh oh sorry
page um 20 Page 20 up so uh
402c 8120 402 the question was asked
when I fin were like um what was that
question they um they last year or this
year I should say they had the anti-
racism training that was done by the
Underground Railroad and they don't it's
not something that they do every year so
there that's that's not seeing any
funding so I'm not sure how it was paid
for this year but I know that it was
done this year through the Underground
Railroad I'm not sure going forward if
there's if they just donated their time
and effort I'm not sure how they came
about that so I did raise that question
as well as as you can see as f for quite
some time right I saw and I I I was
looking I remember they're saying I
wasn't I was looking for some clarity on
I wasn't sure where that where it stand
because right now I think well that's that's a question that we could
kind of get from the chief like what the
plans are for that CU I think that's
really they had it done this year
absolutely did but um it doesn't show
anywhere in the budget so I know that
they paid for it
underr it looks like it's 100% it
I thought that was taken out of a
training line yeah it's not here that's
what I
thought if you don't mind we can ask the
chief have
something would you like yes
please the
chief ask the chief for a clarification
as to why the this line Z
out I know they the train
yes yes and where where the money uh
came from the pay for the
training and when is it when is it next
training I know those are one of those
trainings that you like to see down
annually as but I'm sure that they're
good at finding like other resources and
if they're finding other sustainable
resources God bless them you know but if
not something we should and that's why
ask ask when the next TR the next is
next here then we need to know where we
can get to that
training all right let's go through
thiso any question you have please
[Music]
go ahead Mr Mr you gave report from the
beginning there was a couple of um ones
that you said we were recouping and
bringing back to the general
fund oh for 2025 yes yes we got that
list right
[Music]
there okay we're looking to take uh
1 1,2 50,000 from the Carver Community
rehab um
94,6 to from the sidewalk
program
65486 from the empart center repad and
237,000 from Riverside Park
[Music]
for so they had 250 so they spent little
bit what's left correct
[Music]
I believe that was
Riverside I believe it was for the
stting board I don't know I don't know
what are they I I I think they hadn't
made a decision I think they've gone
back and forth um about basketball
versus other things so and I and I'm
speaking to the engineer that says
there's no time he has no time available
to do that he's the one who suggested
that we take that
Mr chairman go ahead please just s a
message to Chief Whipple for the
anti-racism
training that was paid for out of the 23
budget the number was in the amount was
in in December of 23 but the training
wasn't actually done until
24 so again it's been done this year and
I think again they're looking to do it
like every other year okay as part of
the World
TR that's what he said the other night
that's what I think he said when we when
we asked them the other
night so gu if I can speak to them the
last thing we highlighted was the
Riverside Park courts I would hope that
it was in response to that considered
skateboard effort um I know even
mentioned that out loud definitely
there's a lot of red flags with
liability uh I would say I don't believe
in coincidence but I happen to run into
an individual that's a really prominent
figure in that area and he's like his
comment um paraphrasing was we're not
even asking for funding we just want to
it to be approved um I know the research
that I've done and I defin from the to
Corporation Council and it's the mayor's
prerogative it kind of spoke along the
lines of as long as there's sound
infrastructure those uh understandings
kind of prevent us from any liability
and I don't know where the rest of the
council stands but I think if we going
to be removing quarter of million
dollars from that fund that could
potentially revamp that area for this
recreational activity I think in Li of
that there should be a considered effort
to identify how the city can make this a
legal activity within the community um
or we need to start enforcing the policy
that's currently in
place I just want to mention once again
speak nor engineer who said
with all the projects He has in place we
not be able to get for that
2026 that's why and that's not what I'm
advocating for so I apologize if that
was misconstrued I'm saying if we're
taking the money back I understand that
we are in a financial position in the
city where we have to identify potential
fee increases and fine increases and
what not applying this that that means
to our tax tax base so I get that I'm
saying if we're going proceed with not
pointing this line we should look at how
do we identify a pathway for the city to
embrace this recreational activity as
opposed to turning a blind eye and not
supporting
it Mr L so we have had meetings with the
group um about the skateboard park and I
think that we had alternative you know
we had some suggestions um so we can you
know bring that back to the table and talk to them again um but and the
residents of The Stockade are also
there's there's some of those residents
that would be okay with a skateboard
park and there's other residents that
say well maybe it should be a basketball
court um and still others that have even
tossed around you know tennis or or pick
a ball so I think it's a good a good
idea to bring it back and it's something
that the health and Recreation committee
can put back onto an agenda as well but
there I mean I don't know if you've had
additional meetings um since the last
one I attended but there definitely were
you know some issues around liability
and that kind of thing with the
skateboard but um it's clearly a
recreational activity so we should be
thinking about
it so but if there's no money then we
can't we can't do basket we can't make a
basketball in 2025 yeah or a pick aable
court or anything there's no funding to
support
it I mean it's it's a city park so we
can fund it at any given time true
Capital it doesn't have to come from
oura you can come from any Capital
project or special allocation into the
budget it's City facility so regardless
of our or general fund if we decide to
move forward and we may and the
administration decide to move forward it
can be funded either
way but then we have to look at the same
mean the morning topic
liability so can not have people just go
into a public park and start to do
construction
without getting a building permit any
design
standards there's just no good scenario
yeah that's what I saying the warning
point is liability of these things I'm
in there and and what the design layout
and all to make sure it's a safe
environment for everyone to to
use me again I think also it has to fit
into the I mean the city engineer does
have a lot of parks projects on his
plate um as you can see from the from
the grid and then you know he's working
away on those things so you know sounds
like it's not going to happen in
2025 right Mr Ferrari that's what he was
that's what he told
us I'm was saying I we have this Parts
director position that is now occupied
correct I think this would be a
impactful uh topic for him start
reviewing um I can hear all sides but in
that there's no pathway of action so
there is the
potential uh amount of money that would
have impacted any one of those issues
that is now being removed and in replace
of that we are putting W so I think
there's already um items and Equipment
there I understand
1,00% that the city cannot allow a group
of individuals to just make a makeshift
skate park I get that however we need to
totly address that that is there and
they are using that so unless we're
going to really work collaboratively to
right side that issue we have to tear it
down and put up fences because I think
it sends a Mis message to say you can't
use this park but we're going to nor
only allow people to use the par
and miss miss um could you stop I mean I
didn't know about that there were
meetings that were taking place so
you've been meeting with the a long time
ago the skateboard won it wasn't even
this year oh okay yeah all right I
thought that was the last time that they
oh it's been a while yeah oh okay thank
you go ahead please I I do know that we
did suggest under the ramp down by
predel that was a good suggestion to the
uh State boarders um and they they at
that point w in agree to get money part
of it for us to move them down there so
again talks were were being held and
taking place so and as Miss Patrick just
said bring it back to the table at some
point
so well and as Mr William said they're
still skating down there that's not even
you know I've not been there in a while
but the last time I was there during the
summer they still were and actually
there was an an email where they thought
the council had just flashed their um
idea and it didn't so let's say the
record that that did not
happen or have that discussion I Reed
email that they
[Music]
believe just for clarity the
question so yes so so just for clarity
we're talking about a couple different
things so the issue as it as we know as
stands right now is liability clearly um
but there's a way if this was to turn
into a manifest into uh a skate park
whether it's there or under uh the
bridge I know uh I remember the man
suggesting uh last year that the
liability issue
um will be mitigated if it is a skate
park and it you know it's not obviously
a makeshift thing right so so we're
saying that're so that's my for clarity
we're not saying that we can't do a
skate park at some point due to liary
right we're not saying
that correct okay something designed to
acceptable standards criteria for skate
parks
sure I think to bring them back to the
table let's have a continued discussion
and to come up with a a design that
that's you know that is acceptable to
city and then you know potential of
moving
forward can't be
high what do we do with that old pool
has ni the right curve that's I actually
did suggest that I actually thought that
would be a great
idea Green Space or that's a possibility
even though to say that that is
M they do like a conr surface which is
harder and
[Music]
smoother go ahead please um follow if we
could just go back for a second I missed
um in term when Mr Ferrari was talking
about the projects that we were
considering eliminating the funding for
I got Carver Riverside sidewalk but I
think there were some others the
Empowerment Center oh that's right we
had those was it's on this page we
should have a report I guess
oh
I the summary should be the summary
here thank
you so right in the middle of it Capt
the the breakdown gotcha of the um four
um Pockets or the money is coming from
[Applause]
let's continue I mean we can just go
side by side because this one capture
something let's continue with this um
ARA report and then we'll move on to
anyone else in terms of any question
that you may have
so just just so we're just comfortable
that I know that some people have well
at least one or two but I can see
already spent down and the rest we're
just comfortable every all the projects
will be done by
2026 because once we once we' allocated
money by the end of this year we don't
end there's no opportunity to recoup
from if they don't spend it it's just
have to send it back to the give it back
we don't want that
is that is that is that a true statement
if they were to I mean I just want to
put that out is that a true statement
I'm continue um if we were to allocate x
amount of money and they are not coming
up to par in trying to complete progr
can we resend that excuse me can we
resend the contract yes and recruit the
money back and bring it back in house
before 2025 yes it would have to happen
before 204 December 31st 2024 so that is
something that we have to look at I will
encourage them to you know all of us may
administration department of development
it's so kind we have to be on top of
this project to see how they are faing
out there and if they can come up to far
we're going to have to we're going to
have to amend um the resolution and to
take this money back
unfortunately that is my personal
opinion right now this point time
because it will hurt us more to see that
we try to work with them all the way to
the 21st of December and they can carry
their weight they can add bring in
additional funding from other source and
lose millions of dollars so I think this
Council has an obligation to to look at
this with the mayor and the department
of development and we work side by side
to make sure that we bring back these
funds in
house well um go ahead please think that
we some of these funds some of these
projects did not need matching funds so
we should like look at what didn't need
matching funds I mean this there's one
for $50,000 and then so in the next
couple years will they be able to spend
40,000 on food or and I don't even know
the date of thisy there's no date on it
one was as I believe 924 924 so um I'm
guessing that there's still more money
that they spent or will have spent by
the end of December
so I if if we're even considering that I
think we should
um that was the food deliver that was
just one I chose but even if we
like look at some of the others that are
under contract and part of it is
because they have to get their
contractors going I'm not sure so I
think before we decide that we have to
see where they are with the
projects can you ask U this car
[Music]
you ask that was asked that and she said
that she would do that like like for
instance right the Harbor House right
now still has
$750,000 in there that still there's
still a balance but do we really want to
say we want to take that
back um go ahead please yeah I mean
again I think in that I mean I'm just
responding to that particular project
but um we had um a comprehensive
presentation by them and they outlined
how they were spending the money and
what the timeline was that wasn't I
wasn't asking I'll be taking their money
back I'm I'm to Mr mood Mar's point we
have to we should do this line by line
and see where everyone is as opposed to
just saying well they haven't spent it
it's almost the end of the year let's
take it back I'm not I'm not choosing
them to take them back that's not what
I'm saying okay it's a general statement
making to safeguard us and to bring back
some money rather than we lose it we
bring it back and keep it in the house
so we can use it next year
go ahead please to direct
Anthony in these
contracts project moves ah had I used
Harbor House as an example it's on
Washington Avenue good project we all
support it if they didn't use all that
money to get to the end and there's some
residual that is out there can't
complete it could we word the contract
more generically
says that we'll use it
for Harbor House
or adjacent Street and sidew work so
that we would put it back into the
street
uh somewhere on Union Street Washington
avenet and that way at the end of these
you know these big
projects the likelihood of everything
balancing out to zero is uh
a little bit of a challenge but if we
put some contingency there where there's
always Paving to be done there's always
uh something that uh you know there a
lot of these it's not going to be huge
amounts of money it might be a little
bit the other hand maybe something does
shift and you end up with $100,000 you
don't want to lose that but so I don't
know if
that if we could do generic wording like
that so
it's yeah it's not I don't believe
that's a problem at all with any of
these we can do that I think what we
have to look at what is the plan have
they U have they got a contractor going
forward are they looking to start the
project that when are they looking to
start the project and again if they have
enough money because usually with the
cases with any of these uh fundings in
my experience is we they always use the
grant money first so before the end of
the project you know that they they'll
use it for the excavation for the
foundation and you know it's always done
before they even start you know really
believe it or not 750,000 or even
500,000 doesn't go as far as they used
to you
know and that's what I'm trying we need
to know where they are and that's what
I'm trying to like direct you know to be
um more direct in terms of where we yes
go to everyone and ask them where are
you in in your project do you have
matching funds where are you in terms of
matching funds and if you're not there
time is
not in front of us we are we have to get
this done in about I would say push it
in two cycles we have to be aggressive
because we need to bring it back in
house make amendments and then
reallocate it to City projects that will
take a month at least so we have to make
sure that we don't wait until the end of
December to come back start so I think
this this work all of us need to get on
board to help make this happen it's
unfortunate that we have to do this but
we allocated you are unable to come up
with your um expectation and we're not
going to lose the
money I I think that Miss Carver has
that kind of information because she has
come and made those she I think she
probably knows exactly where each of
these projects so I don't I I think
maybe we could ask her to come
on the
agenda next committee meeting kind of
give us update where we are and identify
anyone
that we need to
Reco yeah definitely I mean there's a
number of them that have if you look
down here on the balance side there's a
number of them have high balances as of
September 24th that they're unextended
there's a number I can I only see a
couple like I can count I can count the
zeros that have no balance let me say
that
so most of them have
bance yes I have read the ones that have
high dollar value we have to go after we
have to address those course and then
look at the the
smaller
tomorrow already well you can always
ask yeah we can we don't need to wait
until that's right we can ask it because
it's a budget it's a budget item yeah I
mean she's updated at us our council at
our Council meetings our Council be
prepared to talk in detail about the
actual status would be something
different yeah I don't know if she can
get I think that might be too premature
in terms of like asking or she might
that able to I think we need to wait
let's wait uh
Monday next Monday to get that
update because this doesn't affect the
trying to bring back
in City projects
yeah the other thing I mean um I want to
talk about in terms of the the C outome
program we are dropping off 940,000
it's something that is dear to all of us
I program we have received our fair
share of complaint from the mayor to
every one of us none of us uh are are
spared of that so when we are doing this
reallocation back I would like to
recommend that we consider reallocate
some money to the sidewalk program
because currently the Central Parkway
sidewalk program slated for next year
April 4S we also have melen Street EMT
Street and Raymond Street
petition that we need to consider and
I'm going to actually add it on the
agenda for Monday that we discuss um mum
event and uh Raven Street the petition
and how do we move forward in addressing
those petition and have them line up for
the next phase of sidewalk program in
2025 yes of
course and and Rond
yes and I would like to see that we
reconsider someone to our program so we
going to leave it as is but try to
figure out where find yes yeah I am okay
with yes with the reallocation at this
point in time to help us with u the
budget deficit but um that's a
consideration I am putting on to the
table as we make final adjustments
towards the end of the
year
ex okay so go ahead sorry no I just want to point out that I don't have any
friends on here just just last night
just going to be clear so people can
have it and for those who agre
[Music]
the be a lot more popular w't
you I would have said yeah all of these
people are my friends
oh I just take some
more yeah any other question on this I
think this is straight forward we'll ask
um Miss car
sorry please I would say sincerely if
we're doing our last three attacks I
definitely it was not missed how
passionate I was to see the pro
Community project continue um I
appreciate the work that was done to get
to this point I know the transition and
Leadership was agrup to say the least um
but I thought it was a concern enough
effort
um in my perspective my wife's a social
worker so she's really big on using eye
statements
I thought the stance from the city was
disingenuous I thought the manner in
which the project was presented and the
comments that were had around the table
gave the impression that we were working
with them and with the lack of followup
and communication when the project was
pulled I can yield to the fact that
there are better lines or better suited
um project managers I.E well I won't
even speak because we haven't had
anything formally reled to us I
appreciate the comments that were given
last night in response to the
individuals that came to speak um but
that is why I'm so passionately
responding to making sure our community
outreach lines are funded that we are
funding other recreational activities
throughout the city because in absence
of providing this resource to youth in
the community we need to make sure we're
actually putting some actionable items
uh in front of them because I there's a
lot of idle time and we hear of these
um I want to be careful on how we
capture recent events but it is
unfortunate that our youth have been
plagued with incident after incident and I think it is
important to make sure we put actual
funding behind um the comments I hear on
the table and it is not easy um being a
member of the city council there is wish
thinking and then there's how do we make
it end up and how do we balance the
budget at the end of the year um but I
would have been remissed if I didn't say
anything regarding this I hope to see
the the project to fruition and whoever
this ultimately lands um but definitely
this will be a loss for that community
and we need to make sure we're
intentional and other measures
of of the city so that this isn't again
this isn't lost
just so just to kind add to that
um my
information I have this project cost
about $3.7 million as of last year
that's a number I'm sure that is way
above that I would say closer to $4
million we our allocation is $1.2
million at this point in time so they
are way behind at this point in time in
terms of um the adequate funding for
this project is yes fortunate to see it
though but our $1.2 million is nothing
towards this project it's a fraction and
you know the other source of income
funding um I don't know if was I for me
it wasn't brought to this table and I
don't know where it is at this point in
time I asked that question many times as
to where where the other source of fund
coming we heard about the names without
not getting any concrete you know
something of confirmation ideas I'm
going to fund xyc but then on the other
hand I'm hearing that the school is
going to be funding this entire project
so I don't think any we're not losing in
the sense of school is going to be
funding this entire project and work
with this group this 10 group so yes we
we're taking back this funding of 1.2
million but at the same time information
I am receiving the school is stepping in
so they are going to be place that they
are going to be used and the facilities
going be there and the school is partner
with these agency to provide the service
needed there I don't know if I'm getting
that Rong I correct me please I don't
know you get ask more about that um
you're saying that the school is going
to fund the project is the school going
to fund the project as it was presented
to us or the school going to do because
generally the school like for instance
they took over the building down here
and then became administrative offices
down there so is it still going to be um
a commun some part of it anyway I don't
expect the school to uh fund an entire
Community Center and the school not have
any role in the building so is a school
going to what is the project and that's a question we we might want to
ask ask the the lead person as a school
as to what exactly that's information I
don't have much I'm sharing what I again
it's still somewhat fluid where the
school district has a very serious
interest in that building in that site
and they're
doing an evaluation in terms of will it
fit their needs and I'm optimistic that
that's going to move
forward
and it's a dynamic process but we we
don't have a plan B if it doesn't no
okay well you know again it's um we
don't have a plan B the city does it
because we don't have the money for m
so you know again I'll just bring up the
point point that I know there was there
was some um conversation like well you
know um that that neighborhood had
doesn't I don't know it kind of implied
that it doesn't leave and that's what I
took from last night's conversation um
however um the boys and girls club was
there is now in Mount Pleasant and this
just another Boys and Girls Club so
maybe other communities don't have a
community center necessarily but they do
have facilities for children the Boys
and Girls Club there's two of them in M
Pleasant there's one in reram and then
other parts of the city have have
projects have places so um I just want
to make sure that as we do the Craig M
project that we don't have this
dinosaur of a building that's just
sitting there and nothing is in it and
that somehow we make sure that we're not
only it's something in it it's something
that it's just not only for the school
district but people children in the
community can
um can be a part of it and I think Mr Mr
uh Williams was saying is that not that
he's necessarily he understands why the
money was taken back but just in the
method in which it was done that people
were not informed and the way they found
out it was just uh then we started
getting phone
calls well number one I
mean correct me if I'm wrong the money
hasn't been officially taken back yet
right we still have decisions to make in
order for that to happen correct what
was that number one I would say that and
I think that the program I mean I think
the school district you know I can't
speak to what you know again whatever
you know assessments they have to make
sure that the building is feasible meets
their needs U to the mayor's point I
think that no matter who um is uh enters
into that space um you know we want to
encourage them to work closely with the
community so the community
um it still has some autonomy during the
process and a lot of times when larger
entities um get involved in the process
they don't leave that space I think that
the current leadership within the school
district I think um we have a greater
chance of of that being a reality that
there is some autonomy there and there
is some a genuine Community Partnership
um I just again I would just caution us
because I don't know that
we to the mayor's point it's still
pretty fluid you know and it is a
dynamic process so I you know I
don't want to make any decisions based
on something that we don't really know
is um going to materialize as
yeah I do have one other I'm sorry we
are we finish with that particular
discussion I I want to no I just want to
ask any other question on this um these
article yes go ahead questione because
again I received an email regarding um
doors and they
had there was something that they
already done the work but then they came
back you remember this came back so you
see also asked that during this budget
season are we going to reconsider the
70,000 for their project once to make
sure every brought that question to the
table so we we did initially uh allocate
this money and then we uh amend the
resolution to take that money back
$76,000
right and now you you receive an email
asking for this money back well we what
we took back was money that they had
already spent and done before before the
project before they received that and
that was not allowed they couldn't we
couldn't pay for them for work that was
already done but uh then they submitted
something that said that we had had work
other work that would
qualify and I don't think we ever got to
the point where we discussed
that did you have something Miss Patrick
I think brought that up and discussed it
I I think that we did discuss it in a
committee meeting I don't know that we
came to a decision but we did discuss
what you're what you're talking about
right and I'm bringing it back because
we did make a decision and because I got
an email to ask is there a possibility
from Proctors yes from Proctors I should
be clear from Proctors yeah I am trying
to recall when we discussed it our our
balance at that point in time was almost
zero yes yeah I think when you brought
us the allocation and B say that it was
thata point where we we can't even
reconsider it because we did not have
the funding correct
yeah yes so yeah I can
yeah it's more than likely they already
paid for that yes they new stuff
again would be eligible
again well the first one was because
they did it even before their Grant was
submitted correct before we got the
money yes so definitely not
question so if looking at the
outstanding balances in the OPA
funding and say say there's just a use
of five half a million right and we
talking the possibility of it going into
sidewalk budget if we created a line for
Youth Services on the park and wck maybe
address some of the concerns that you
would we have to prescribe how it would
be spent or if we just create a line use
services and and say maybe that 500
that's put 250 for you services and kind
of look at the needs in the city and
then some of the areas of concern and
Target
activities um in those communities would
that be an option for us we we do have a
lineing the budget here for $150,000 and
I think one of the question that was
asked where are we in terms of spending
that is it adequate do we need to fund
it more into
2025 the employment mean the employ you
employment we do
programming oh you're talking about this
generally here or yeah just just like
come up with some creative ideas like we
create a budget line so here are some
areas that you know at at nighttime
right there's a lot of free time in this
community we got some concerns us create
a night time program maybe an existing
school that will fall into this the
youth allocation here that we have the
program my understanding from the mayor
is that the youth program is they hired
young people to work right in City Hall
so it was also used in the parks
department too but but what I should say
for City staff not necessarily into Hall
but all City staff not not outside of
well it was used this year for the year
prior to that we use it in the school we
use the funding for the school district
partner with them yes yes so I think
it's not specifically for it was more of
helping out this year in the
city but I think that can spread out for
all theity without
agency this year was all the city that was the answer to the question so I
don't know going forward if that's the
plan or if there's also an opportunity
to use it beyond
that or how that works well what council
and is saying correct
is we could do programs it could be city
employees but it might be in a school
building Poss yeah Co well I was wondering just
um I mean again if the school district
and I know where you know if the school
district was to take over the um
Community Center then there'd be youth
programming you know going on in that in
that facility Well I that's I was
thinking um you know after school
programming and that kind of that was
qualify for cdbg
funding so that is there so we would
encourage to make an application at that
point in time and we will encourage um that application to be have a
favorable
consideration and
funding can be um can be available to
help with the administrative CA to help
run that U those programs there I
wonder so uh thank you excuse me Joe you
want to just take I I think there's a
pretty stringent um restriction on our
punds so how we can I understand take
that money put a separate line save for
ourselves to help the youth um I don't I
don't know we could reach out to miss
carer because that's exactly what you
want to do but I don't think we can sa
it but that's why we're trying to to
spend you know find out what's happening
now so we can allocate that money but it
a great
idea I was just going to say I think
part of the um benefits of partner with
the school districts that they bring
resources and so I would think that the
school district is going to bring put
the resources then maybe we should be
looking
um uh to put you know maybe these uh
leftover for black or better turn
resources in in in in a different
direction I would just think that you
know one of question I asked the May to
look at we have um expanded this um this
year from L and to see do we need more
or is 150 adequate to take us into 2025
because we need to expand yes we're
doing a good job in employing people
here and to kind of you know introduce
them to the workforce which is a good
thing MH and it's a wonderful program
but at the same time we can expand it
out to continue to help and work with
the school
district I think also that um part of
the cdbg and correct me if I'm wrong but
I believe that there's Coalition still
of um nonprofits that are youth serving
nonprofits that are um they get cdbg
funding as a
coalition um and work together with our
director development to um provide youth
programming too I'm all for more youth
programming but I just wanted to bring
that up as well that we do have that I
think that's still in place um I think
it was like six or seven different
organizations that were under one
umbrella um
but when we have this car when we have
this Carver come in we'll be able to ask
for that too yeah so we can follow up
with that in terms of the the actuals
and expended to dat on that line and see
where we are if it's adequate yes if if
it's not adequate we can make a
recommendation to see if where if we can
find some funding and then use your
words money Tri yes the program that we
need to continue to to fund every year
mhm so I was just thinking um and this
again this might be more a better
question for Miss carer but I think
within the parameters of what's
acceptable uses or funds for arpa youth
programming um definitely fits well
within that so I don't think that we
probably to your point I want to make
sure we're using the money but I think
that that's that would be an allowable
use though I do think
so that's how we have some of these the you program right current it's
funded um from but I think we can expand
it yeah yeah I was speaking to to Miss
D's point and making sure that we're
operating within the parameters of the
AR are yeah I was thinking I was just
saying I think that that would meet the
criteria a prime example is the C house
theying that to to advantage of the use
abely there's several yeah page 43
so that's on we can see the actual in
2022
2023 it was almost close to us we had
a
[Music]
watch spent on
[Music]
so I'm just going to circle back to the
prop question so is that something we're
going to be considering or it just um
not going to consider anything else in
terms of the other
[Music]
funds at this point in time we don't
have funding
$843 46 $846 sorry thank you for
correcting me so I think we yes we can
consider it when we make these
reallocation back and make amendments
when the next two cycles hopefully well
not hopefully we should the next two
cycle make this amendment yeah that can
be brought back to the table for
discussion and see where members are in
terms of that I just for clear I'm not
in favor of it I think there are bigger
needs in the off in the city uh I think
the concessions that are being asked of
our residents I know we're having these
discussions right now it is an
unfortunate circumstance but
I we're not proposing small
increases and for very important reasons
and then in forecasting what 2026 looks
like I think if there are any benefits
out there to be provided to the tax base
and you have to do that
now because it is only going to get in
and I want to be careful so I don't want
to scare anyone but I think I'm trying
to be transparent we have had a very discussion from a very good
presentation from our Police Department
our fire department their needs are
their needs and as we have ongoing Union
nego or contract
negotiations the number is going to get
bigger so I think it is unfortunate I
appreciate Proctors and what they do for
our community but I think there should
be a clear message and just speaking for
myself I I don't think we can do it now
there are two other members in the
committee but I just want to be clear no
you're Absolut you're absolutely correct
and that's the reason I I am pushing I
am pushing for us to revisit these um
allocation and if ageny are not of the
power bring it back in we make our
Amendment make our adjustment reallocate
to the city and let's keep it in house
and that will help us in the 20126 by
doing that partly rather than
later the one question we were
neighborhood neighborhood they talk
about reallocating some money we made
one allocation $500,000 assignments part
and there were some email I'm not sure
if everybody was copy on it if not we
can share it yes everyone got the email
they were asking for some reallocation
to ker Street Park and we direct them to
your office and the department of
development to kind of like work with
you and the department of development
see what the the needs are there at car
street and we we can make amendment to
some
recommendation this point not prepared
to make a recommendation out there's
still work to be done in Stein's
part
and i' like to make sure that gets
done so that we're not kind of doing
half F projects in two parts and then to
focus on Harry Street we've worked with
uh car street where we've done some tree
planting and some other modifications
there and so you know it's moving
ahead uh there's some
internal uh discussions within that
group you know it
wasn't best I can tell a formal meeting
the goose Hill Neighborhood to make that
recommendation to pull money out is a
smaller group that part of the
leadership I'm not saying anybody is
wrong but there's uh discussions I think
still have to happen before make any
final decision ision and the first being
what are the actual costs we need in
Stein Park to get that done and before
we look at K
Street and they did bring it up at the
meeting the most they brought that up
and then I think after that there was an
email that went to um that that came to
me and asked I think it came to all the
council and then I my resp my response
was that they should go to the
Department of development it's not up to
us to take that information that send it
to the Department of development inur
would then you know consider bring back
whatever they had and bring it to the
council although the other night I think
that there was a misunderstanding that
they could again come back to the
council and um and ask that
question no that's why I I didn't make
that comment to a member that they need
to speak to the mayor Department of
development and the engineer and to kind
of lay out what uh is needed ass
signment and the f
to complete that project and any left
over then it can be reallocated to that
project but it will have to be um driven
by um Fair estimate from the
engineering any question on this
so just to address the
um the hill
hearts and the money that is available
Hill schol allocated
$250,000
and it looked like they a balance of
$230,000 and the compensation that was
center around this last time and the
misinformation that was F that nobody
wanted to move any money out from B is
more about how do we spend this money in
B within the park there and repair the
pool is I enough money to fix the pool
or do we do a splash p and I think that
M Patrick and Miss P was trying to to
get in terms of um how do we spend the
remaining money there internally
there are some spending there against
that L the hell horse
pool the big question is is that
adequate
$250,000 to complete the re there's
uh some negotiations that are going on
that
uh
say Council to Executive session if you
want be briefed on
that other
yes I I was going to actually discuss a
couple things more go in executive
session we want to talk about some
pending expens into next year that we
are not accounting for the
budget that
be and yes we can do that and then talk
about the fire yeah put
couple so just no I just want to clear
the ear on this um Hill hor allocation
the allocation the one for the Fair View
part and the pool no money is being
removed from the the B allocation we
might we might to repair the pool and
stuff that is no that is not happening
that's no go that's just no the money is
not adequate it's
not and actually um you know you all got
the email you saw the responses and so
somehow the information was that at this
table that Miss Patrick and I were
trying to figure out ways to remove the
money that conversation didn't happen
the conversation was around the money
that is currently here what can we do
with it and the suggestion that I made
was that could we do a slash pad and
that was a conversation somehow that got
misconstrued to you're taking the money
back an email came to us and an email
went out to the community or at least
the Bel group just just so you know
saying that this is what they're doing
and then an email said oh stand down
that's not what they doing after they
got the email saying otherwise so just
want to make it clear at this table that conversation didn't take place then
it's not taking place now um no one's
asking to remove money from helpers but
rather to figure out within the park how
we use the money to the best um of our
ability based on the amount of money
that there
is so may would it be can we can you get
an update to
theate for this
pool just for the sake of discussion to
see where where it lands in terms of how
make adjustments in the next couple of
weeks I'm probably not going to be able
to get a number that would
be accurate No No something something
that we can you
know well we did
AOL we one in the
city yeah because if it's we allocated
250,000 if it's like 100,000 more then
consideration can be given to say okay
if it's that amount I'm just thr numbers
out that number is too low and the
engineering issue with that pool is it
was losing huge amount of water every
day um they could not identify where the
water was going they can't find an
obvious Leep and what they're worried
about is the potential to create a cab
either underneath the pool or adjacent
to the pool so that you
would have people in swimming you would
have a catastrophic collapse of the pool
is why I closed it number of years ago
and you the repairs would
be just
yes the millions so then the
consideration is a PL spash pad is the
ideal thing to to kind of replace
that consideration can be given to that
they need
discussion all
right I don't have anything else on
this anybody else
this the the connect Foundation the food
program The Healthy Choice program it's
still 540,000
there
any you raise your
hand Anthony or Derek they've been
drawing some money down yeah we have
like about
[Music]
240 should be
the yeah yes that's correct yeah 21 2135
is
bance of
542 well I just want to say I think that
the initial um allocation of 600,000 to
this connecting Foundation was for a
three-year project so um I don't know
because it is a lower figure that they
have spended so far to date but I think
that that was the that was the overall
plan I think when we first uh gave them
the the
600,000 and they but we I think it would
be to get some more detail on that um in
terms of
um they they established a food Council
that's connected County food council
with that with that funding um but I
can't I I'm not sure funding that there
that's going out into the community from
is from that money I don't think it is
but I think we need to we probably would
need to get some clarification from them
but it was a
three-year
you yeah provide that update for
us miss car too any other comments on
this what D Miss car okay
Miss say that all right say
the there is one report of talk and then
we'll go into exu session and then we'll
continue
tomorrow hasib with
the
vacancies I think some question was
asked
today
address they everyone received this
email
M yes Chief Clipper yes okay
[Music]
this is an extra this is an extra vacy
I'll give
it
V oh everybody has the
vacancies VES make I had an extra copy
so I just put it on de's
pile let's make a three
[Music]
copies unless it's unless it's updated
[Music]
yeah I took the one
back it's a little different
8464 does she carry the B it's
$846 yeah no I saw that yeah that's left
yes
[Music]
that yo stretch yeah
that's a
mile M
stopped finally
stopped so
[Music]
sometimes I wake
[Music]
up just stret it stretch it out
right up
[Music]
we were looking to do
[Music]
cut
the have one of m
[Music]
put
the
fun I'm just
asking not quite yet not quite
[Music]
yet that
no I will let you know just couple
things we need to discuss and then we'll
go in ex session and W up for
7:30 we we just go for the vacy list
there were some questions to that and
this report for us we just want to go
through it to make sure that we address
all the
concerns and if there have questions we
can ask
[Music]
and I think this is an early list it's
like the code enforcement is actually
the results came back on the test so P
some of those the Law Department doesn't
reflect these positions there we those
to I sent follow email
[Music]
um go ahead please I just want to in the
engineering is it the IPS 3 that's
vacant or is it the IPS 4 on page 10 I
don't know why I thought I have a note
to myself but I don't know why I guess
three is the B it is
okay thank you
any question on
this go ahead please um it is in regards
to the deputy Corporation Council I have
concerns with eliminating that
um secondary role within that department
um I can understand the reasoning behind
trying to replace that with a certain
number of part-time uh assistant
Corporation Council
positions um but to me definitely having
either a redundancy within the
department even if more having a um like
progression to support but also future
because uh our current Corporation C is
not going to be there forever so I think
having the proper um training and
development is important um it is in
place in every other department so I
think to have this not reflect that
current standard um I think
is could potentially be an issue not
saying that it will be saying it could
be I stay ask for help I if you guys
want things to move quickly and
efficiently more help would not be uh I
mean more help would be very appreciated
so this followup question would be in
response to the number of positions that
you requesting assistant Corporation
councils obviously if the council was to
elect to still fund the deputy it
wouldn't be the full ask are you
confident you would be able to fill all
the requested positions that you did ask
for in regards to the assistant
Corporation counsel if that makes sense
so I don't know if iard question you're requesting four positions I don't
have that
line so if we were to proceed with that
are you confident you would fill those F
throughout the year those are filled
yeah those are filled yeah the parttime
assistants are
[Music]
F so go ahead please so we'd be adding
if Mr Williams So you you're are you
thinking that we add the deputy cor
Council back in at
106,000 I
think did you is it that
the Well it's thing I think we're trying
to do like the assistant Corporation
cons on the PDM and then um kind of take
some funding from that line upwards it's
a movement within zero impact it's not
going to be zero impact have to add some
money if there's a consideration so
defitely F the deputy Corporation
Council
line well I mean we still need
c
um me
my suggestion to you if you're concerned
about
uh is perhaps add a uh you don't
necessarily need a deputy if you're
concerned about fulltime people you can
consider adding um another full-time
assistant Which is less expensive than a
deputy that person would still be being
trained over time just like uh we have
someone who's
going to be filling the full-time
assistant so I mean that person's being
trained over time if that's your
concerned so go ahead pleas would it be
so if we're not going to do if you're
saying that the deputy this isn't
necessary but would it and if going to
hire an assistant Corporation counsel
would it be better to hire someone that
already had the skill set as opposed to
someone who we you know have to bring in
and train even though could we get
someone at a I don't know what the cost
would be me I can certainly look that up
so we could have someone who had already
had the skill set as an assistant as as
opposed to someone you have to bring in
a train well certainly the more you pay
you're going to get someone with more
experience um I was just making the
suggestion because it's less expensive
to hire an assistant as compared to a
more experienced
deputy just want to remind everybody too
uh during the years Andrew col was here
was he four or five years he was here
yeah I was going to ask he only hired
one guy five years he didn't he at least
we have staff of people that you know
now whereas previously last five years
we only had one other
guy he was only there for the last
couple years too and if I'm not mistaken
um any can help me with this for for
many years we didn't have a deputy yeah
you didn't have anybody yeah for many
years I know I'm trying to recall this
only happed like recently where this
position was um funded over a couple
years if you're con I mean if you're
concerned about us being able to manage
all the workload like the mayor had said
earlier about use perum and sometimes
outside Council you can consider just
adding more to the perum line um because
that's the line that like if we need
another assistant another part-time
assistant it's going to come out of that
perum line um and a part-time assistant
at 10 hours is
$32,500 and the perum is only
$55,000 so if you want to do a cost
effective add to our department you can
consider uh adding to that perum which
will give us the ability to hire more
part-time people which like we had
talked about earlier you get more bang
for your buck because you're getting
people usually who have either retired
or have their own practice that are
experienced and they help they have a
lot of experience in a particular area
and so you get a lot of bang for your
buck when you I have found um and other
there are other
um uh law Departments of municipalities
that are also switching to this
part-time uh model because it's easier
to
attract uh talent that way um and so my
suggestion if this is your concern is
perhaps to add some Mone into the per DM
and we that will give us the ability to
hire more part-time people who are uh
experience and we do have a full-time
assistant well he's not licensed yet but
he licensed in uh January Assuming he's
passed the bar exam which we are
optimistic on so there is another
full-time
person um that will be trained and that
will learn over time um from both my and
all of our part-time people who are so
skilled and experienced and um helpful
with us where is that in the budget
they're already there um that money is
coming out of the assistant Corporation
Council
line
he's CU he's going to
well
the HR adult with this the money is
coming out of that line but that's not
his
title because he's not a lawyer yet yet
but yeah so there is another full-time
person that or another person that will
be a lawyer full-time and will learn
from all of
us so just want to make sure I
understand this so there's a person
that's working
full-time um they're not they haven't
passed a Baro and then their their money
is coming out of one of the assistant
Corporation Council part
timelines uh no money there's a
full-time there's two full-time
assistant lines I think
so the money is coming out of one of
those lines but that's not his title
under civil service because he not
licensed yet but yeah so he's going to
have that line that you have in the Arca
there's a blue line fulltime person so
um we do have a full another person that
will be full-time uh well him he's not
licensed but uh if you're concerned
adding to the prium would be very
helpful
thank
you I was concerned that there you were
the only full-time person there so this
kind of um clarifies that thank
you any other question on this on the
vacancies on the vacancies
[Music]
the other one we can touch on is the is
a letter from
[Music]
the with regards to the information I
was
asked he's very specific
um with this
um with his information here
[Music]
yeah so I did and they take away from
this is that they looking to use this
money to um to purchase
equipment at some point in
time go ahead please so um I did ask
that question question regarding the
asset for furance so they have like over
about
$228,000 in there and they also they
list a number of things that they say
they can use it for and one of those
things is overtime satday so if they're
concerned about the overtime we
definitely don't want to reduce it but
there is funding that is here that I um
feel like we could if
we're if we need to be able to um put
some money towards that line there's
just these assets that are there and I'm
not sure according the time over which
theyve collected them but according to
this email that we got on February
excuse me October 11th they do have
$228,000 we we also have to be this I
think the numers they had about
$69,000 in the account for a long time
and then in the last 6 months or
so this balance of money has come in and
there from 2014
13
133
cases yes so the logic by which some of
this money is disseminated from the
federal government escapes
me
uh this the lower number they've gotten
some bigger checks in from older
cases I I understand all that it's just
that right now we're looking money
wherever we can get it and so if there's
money that can be allocated to overtime
to late some of the the amount of money
on that line and not saying take all of
it but I think they'll certainly I'm
being told for overtime is without
referencing specific numbers if we
budget a million dollar a year for
overtime give would take a little bit
you can't then all of a sudden say
you're only going to budget
$750,000 for overtime and then use a
quar million of this money you you could
take where average has been a million
dollar and then move it up to 1.2
million but you can't create a scenario
where you're supplanting and replacing
existing budgeted money it's supposed to
be done for enhancement or
additional public safety features with
policing so then let me ask this if in
fact they um they go over on their
overtime is there an opportunity to use
this as opposed to use it from City
budget or they this cannot be touched in
any way regarding that if it if you
budgeted a million dollars
and we go
over then there would be scenarios where
it possibly could be
used it's uh the
uh two fires we
had uh on the same day happened like the
worst possible Day from a budget
perspective
that was the actual Columbus Day for the
fire department so everything was double
time and a
half
again that was not everybody was called
in everybody did a great job doing it
but from budgeting perspective I would
have prefer it be a day before a day
after cuz we generally go over on over
on the over time
budget there should be less pressure on
it going into 25 because our staffing
has come up where
before some of it was
to CU the numbers were
down we were back filling Frontline
positions at time and a half where now
we'll be able to fill those front line
positions with regular staff and there
still will be 247
operation need for overtime but I'm
hopeful that there'll
be uh less pressure on that going in 25
so is the overtime budget larger this
year than last year depends on which
Ling at it's because there's P time
there's investigative time there's
Patrol I I think have and I'm glad you
brought that up different um different
lines because I noticed in the
administrative line they've only used
50% um of the overtime is there like
let's say they don't need all their they
only get to 65% for the end of the year
do is there can we move money out of the
admin overtime line to other over time
lines uh I believe Finance does that
balance it out we do have end of the
year try to make it
so all
the all the lines are zero you know be
zero uh the AL the budget will be uh not
at negative
numbers number
zero so the short answer is you would
move from in investigation or whatre we
need it for y all right y right thank
you
so we're limited of how we use this
money I mean how we can ask them to use
f how we can use it how we can ask them
to use it very
limited but can but we can also they
could buy things could Can the police
department buy things from this money
and not charge it to a City
Line if it is above and beyond what
we've budgeted for okay has to be above
and
beyond okay thank
you go ahe so is it farfetch the thing
since they proposed a budget for the
community out reach of $5,000 that we
add $20,000 from this from the
perspective of other prevention and
awareness programs is there a component
that we could use to capture for
community
outreach uh that would be a creative use
that would probably be
applicable yeah it can be used for
caining an education it's hard because
we budgeted the larger number prior
years we dro
the it helped us damn it doesn't help
[Music]
the P they have mentioned um you know to
us that 're looking towards maybe
possible spend this money to equipment
to buy equipment clean house department
so that's a that's a uh for um use to
buy equipment that is not in the capital
that we already funded for but something
outside of that enhance the department
capability practical side of is they're
looking to buy it a c cap which is a
heavily armored vehicle
[Music]
to deal with OST situation we have to
breach uh security facility uh I have
not signed off on
that yeah that sounds
intense we do use it on a periodic basis
we have relationships with other
agencies that have it and so they bring
those units in here to work with the SC
Police
Department let's borrow there as long as
we all right any other question on this
yeah see done this
um well we did talk about the loss
Revenue everybody has a cop of this
think is straight
forward um this report that Anthony
provided to us with the detail
brief unless you have any question I
just this done but I think this straight
forward went details every
department and the
impact and then we did have the U also
the the
funds the outline of the the funds on
the draw down from each of the the funds
this report
here um
someone had asked for the
um
the races from the Department not races
but they ask from the Department the
management this was the report carries I provide you an updated one just now
yeah we just got that so this is a
report here someone that ask um it's off
oh
yeah yeah there were some that we I had
asked you know previous budget we avoid
mentioning names and not attaching this
deal with the title
any question on
[Music]
that so I do have a question go ahead
are we considering
there's uh
several requests for um
increases I only see that one was
actually
um considered and add to the budget so
we looking at any of the
others can you high with to the
bud I see everyone everyone of them has
Delta
yep the Deputy Commissioner
finance and there's others that add were
added and I didn't see know that
yeah what was the highest increase we
had this year
4.25 some some
level was it four or
[Music]
four last year yes when fact this year
forward and across the board there is a
3% P for management correct
any question on
this that's my question and the first
one the first um version of this that we
got um the request for that position was
110 the updated version that you gave us
was
120 was those are supplemental sheets
what's in the actual
budget so
[Music]
yeah I I brought it up to Anthony and it
was shouldn't it shouldn't be there and
that was a correction I made that's I
requested an updated copy and that's why
I brought this back to the
council that column should not have been
there that was a calculation they were
doing and some other stuff I'm sorry
I've lost you a little bit um on this
sheet here we replacing this sheet with
the previous she so I ask that you just
continue looking at that sheet there
were some columns and some cells that
should not have been there it was more
of a useful culation squ supposed to
take it out but but are these um these
salaries are not necessarily in this
budget yes they are yeah they are the 3%
yeah the 3% is
it what do you see on this she the 3%
cost what do you see on this she here
it's in the budget the previous sheet
was a working document that some column
was not um
problem should have been hidden or
adjustment taken out it was working um
it was working
document so the 3% additional is in the
budget y yeah except that middle col Yes
except for this deputy corre and that
one is the
request no the deput is in in the budget
that's the request yes not the
3% yes everybody else is the 3% corre so
what do you see that the number you
seeing here it's on the about M I say
yes any question on
this my question is why we're not
considering other um other departments
heads who would requested that and
what's the rationale for that um that we
considered one ask and not any of the
others we heard from you know we heard
from the um I don't think the building
officer mentioned excuse me I don't
think the um building inspector actually
mentioned anything to us about his ask
but we did hear from the director of
development about the ask for herself
and for a member of her
staff principal plan the principal plan
thank you
[Music]
oh commissioner is he in there already
though let see I'm at 133 well that's
okay 3% okay that's
Wonderful's got 3% too oh so what are
you saying you should get some do I mean
say if you're going raise theirs raise
my so that's you know we we you know we
had have uh the the deputy clerk we have a lot we have the city clerk so
we haven't considered any others in so
how do we do that think that everyone's
working hard
any question go ahead please I said how
do we consider increasing uh some some
of the increases that were asked and if
they're not then what is our reason why
not I know saying does lots of work is
probably not the best way to do it but
if we look at um what the reasonable
salaries are it say we did and did that
happen did we look at the other salaries
as you said that you did um with this
position to compete with right position
in New York
state these were to ask the question
that they gave us the mayor was said 3%
I explain to the mayor why we needed
hire money for that director uh and that
was the case was to get a qualified
person into the position like like you
talk about get a good lawyer full time
you're going need a good find person
full time and you seen and it's in the
paper actually was in the paper today
about what Tom roer and Tom miss the
city of TR going through trying to find
commissioner finances or or controllers
and or Finance people uh because uh you can't find it so that was the reason
U for that every else got 3%
I see that y including myself I see that
yourself
yes yeah so the qu so the question
was around so looking at did we do the
same due diligence for other department
heads and like and this is New York
state or the surround so
like oh yeah I thought it said I thought
it said New York state in there maybe I
thought what to
say question
becor direct development where she
brought that department from and all
those things so um and she she said to
us I'm going sure the meeting May that
um I don't believe you were that she
said that she had spoken with you and
that you told her that if any request
she should come to the council
with she's Mis phrased my word choice
and that my recommendation for salaries
is in the
budget any other question on this
all right we move
to there's one this report here a report
this copy of report may I thank you
report is very very helpful yes I would
I you please U send this to us and I
apologize it's been prepared
uh been done before it uh went staffing
issues putting together and it's been
compared for the last couple months and
had not been sent to the council so that
you'll get that now on a monthly basis
and probably would be a good idea to
have uh Mr Hamilton and Mr Douglas come
in and do a summary of what they're
doing in terms of data
collection and
I try and encourage them every month is
to expand that so if there's an area
that the council would like to see some
analysis done on uh don't hesitate to
reach out or uh raise your concern or
ideas
on yes this report you got a time please
go it you have not detail report for
every single department and it shows you
where they are in terms of the workload
and the service they proving to the
residents very
we another report I know we did talk
about it I asked for a copy of this it's
the um it has to do with the STA
department and the enforcement they're
doing um you know I personally would
have to commend them I know D and I talk
about this to the work that they're
doing in terms of
um bringing people into compliance STS
of garbage impr improper storage of
garbage and to make sure that people not
stor in garbage and leaving it for days
out to pick up by our our Poli
department or also put their garbage can
in the front of the building and they're
taking over littering the entire Street
since this enforcement has been put out
here for the last couple months I
personally have seen a change in the
pattern of
peopleo also saw that so it's a good
thing people said well it's about it's
not a ref driven thing it's about how we
address Nuance how we address quality of
life I think this is one of the report
of you should have a report to see that
what these guys are
doing U from the N Department it's so
you know I have to come in and for
that I don't I think I know everybody
has a copy I did make a copy of it um if
anybody else need a copy I can share it
but that's
I just want to address
that I don't think I'm missing any other
report um we had to some stuff from um
unless when I stepped out but the um
building permit Fe structure just that's
that part
[Music]
um I I TR recomend that we we have to do
the public hearing is on and then we
have to come back in for discussion so
that will address at that point in time
when we the public hearing is the next
cycle
26 25th 28 28th yes and then we'll
address it after
that yeah other than that I don't have
any other report unless you have
anything else I'm missing any report we
have the the actuals which is
straightforward go through that
every and the answer
questions I don't have anything else
wage fees was the only amendment yeah
those were those going to address so
that's notd for but I just shared our
copy because it was during that time oh
we had the um aging of accounts
receivable as
well this one did I print it
out I think Tony gave it to
us aging aging of accounts receivable
and then I wrote police oh yeah because
it's um the value of penalties the total
paid we talked about it we talked about
it because when when AC Whipple was here
ENT um
violation yeah we did talk about this so
they kind of give us this report to show
us U where to break down yes so we did great if we could collect all
that money is basically that would be
like fantastic I mean it is something
that we we can ask them for an update in
the next three months to see how we
doing with the agency and collect the
outstanding those
outstanding it will be very helpful INE
our I don't have any other reports
anything else that you have in your
folder that we didn't address can
address it and then we um have anything
El we need to
address and then we'll we'll call for an
executive session so for some
points any other
business we need call on motion to go
into executive session so move all in
favor take a break take off the and
[Music]
just
for for
e
for for
e
for e
for
e
for for
[Music]
is
e e
for
e e
for
e
for
e
for
e
for
e
for
e e