[0:03] thank
[0:06] you oh thank you
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[0:54] like to call the EMP city council
[0:55] committee meeting for
[0:58] Wednesday October
[1:00] we have one
[1:02] committee Finance thank you madam
[1:04] president I would like to reconvene the
[1:06] finance committee and we will continue
[1:09] um our discussion regarding the 2025 um
[1:14] proposed um
[1:16] budget just to summarize we um concluded
[1:19] our um hearing with the various
[1:21] department heads and um tonight what I'm
[1:25] going to ask there's a lot of reports
[1:26] that are submit to us um that we
[1:29] requested some of us what I'll do I'll
[1:32] just go through the reports one by one
[1:34] and ask any questions after we finish
[1:37] that then we'll we'll start an open
[1:39] discussion of where we um what
[1:42] suggestion we have
[1:43] or and we an open dialogue as we move
[1:47] forward U into any recommendation that
[1:49] we may
[1:50] have so this evening um we have this one
[1:53] here on Top This is the um report from
[1:56] um B regards to the bre D or $710,000
[2:01] and that has to do with the street
[2:03] lighting administrative expense
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[2:17] CLI on time if you have any
[2:20] questions can help here
[2:28] questions one of the the discuss
[2:32] recommendation was to um
[2:34] create another line instead of moving
[2:37] some of these from administrative
[2:38] expense that doesn't belong to
[2:39] administrative expense to separate 402a
[2:42] or one we were going to call it software
[2:44] and equipment that okay with
[2:46] you that's fin me I mean what the other
[2:50] member think about it so that
[2:53] WEP separate what is what is equipment
[2:56] and what is actually administrative
[2:58] exence
[3:00] this is all software stuff here so so do
[3:03] we name the entire line no we'll have to
[3:06] add another line 402 what is it
[3:11] A2 believe B actually going to be
[3:15] 427 a518
[3:18] 4277
[3:21] yeah it's to be called software okay
[3:24] yeah
[3:30] what are you going to name it software yeah it's all software or
[3:34] Hardware to this is software and
[3:35] Hardware this is mostly all
[3:41] software server upgrades maintenance
[3:45] lies
[3:47] renewals software
[3:54] renewals we have a we have a a count
[3:57] master in the count 27 is sof so oh okay that's want to know where we coming
[4:04] to the 427 okay got
[4:10] you all we go to this one here any
[4:14] um question on the
[4:21] breakdown the next one I'm going to go
[4:24] the is the
[4:25] arpa it's a break that we have we
[4:28] received from Anthony regards to the
[4:31] arpa spending and this
[4:34] CH the arpa
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[4:54] funding okay sorry I I have them in my
[4:57] order you may not have them in your
[4:59] order
[5:02] that's
[5:07] it this copy here want no no we have we
[5:11] should have copies everyone if you need
[5:14] copies by any chance let us know or we
[5:17] can share
[5:21] [Music]
[5:31] is the office open
[5:33] S is the office open
[5:37] [Music]
[5:46] yes two copies of
[5:51] [Music]
[5:53] this I
[6:01] [Music]
[6:05] we can make copies
[6:07] [Music]
[6:36] a little
[6:43] festivity everyone should have a copy of
[6:46] this report here from um from fam with
[6:48] regards to the
[6:49] compensation for the reg
[6:54] that
[6:56] yes please um P this if you have
[7:00] questions we can uh we the stand and we
[7:03] can go with
[7:04] this but this is just telling us exactly
[7:07] what
[7:21] uh anybody need a copy of
[7:27] this okay so have a copy so we can go
[7:30] over um this if we have any questions
[7:34] please um
[7:36] [Music]
[7:54] ask I he the questions go ahead please
[7:56] call me so um a441
[7:59] assistant and city engineer moved to
[8:01] police you explain that pleas yeah as
[8:05] you Rec call remember the first day here
[8:06] that was the long line we eliminated
[8:09] that so what happened went to police
[8:13] over time so the money that was there
[8:15] yeah yeah because it was not an Aral
[8:17] line because the uh the Aral line for
[8:20] assistant police chief the assistant uh
[8:22] engineer we eliminated that
[8:25] position and how much was that I believe
[8:28] it was 90,000
[8:30] 0
[8:33] $19 probably in the first budget right
[8:35] go ahead please I just wanted uh to
[8:38] recall too uh uh we reduced uh peace
[8:43] overtime and fire overtime by
[8:46] 30,000 because we want to supplement the
[8:49] senior center program with arpa so we
[8:53] took the arle money from police of fire
[8:55] I spoke about this and we took it and we
[8:59] moved it to Senior Center ARA yeah um
[9:04] the question the question on that can we take that $6,000 from somewhere
[9:09] else take a
[9:12] look I I I would suggest that we take a
[9:15] look and see if we can take that
[9:16] somewhere from somewhere else
[9:19] good um if you don't mind please make a
[9:22] note of that so it's 30,000 plus 30 on
[9:26] the Fire
[9:31] it it doesn't show is something yeah you
[9:35] did talk about it and then I think there
[9:36] was some question around it Patrick has
[9:38] some question about that too so why why
[9:41] take it from the police Empire yeah so
[9:44] recommendation is that if we can find
[9:47] somewhere else take
[9:49] it was it for for me it was like the
[9:52] spur a moment thing that was the easiest
[9:54] thing to pick
[9:56] up well we don't want to be the
[9:57] newspaper tomorrow that we're taking
[10:00] the
[10:08] police
[10:09] so my big question is $3 million of arpa
[10:14] funding for these um these position or
[10:18] you know or or supplies or
[10:22] equipments if we were to carry this into
[10:24] next year and we don't have offer we
[10:26] have to find $3
[10:28] million to to sustain
[10:42] this how how do we I'm trying to you
[10:45] know be careful what I say how how are
[10:48] we in appro genic here in terms of
[10:54] this I have always looked at our our
[10:57] biggest liabilities it's also one of our
[11:00] biggest assets it's distressed
[11:02] property so we doing the foreclosures
[11:06] how do we bring it in and be able to
[11:10] Market it
[11:12] uh we keep chipping away at it as you
[11:15] drive through neighborhoods you see the
[11:17] improvements people are fixing up their
[11:20] houses uh some of the sales of course
[11:22] are not perfect but most of them done
[11:26] are good stories people gone in bought
[11:29] the houses fixed them up are living
[11:32] there even ones that have been flipped
[11:35] which you know it's not necessarily the
[11:37] primary goal of the uh my Administration
[11:41] for the council but we end up being
[11:43] owner occupied houses and so that is
[11:47] still an area
[11:50] where
[11:51] there's call it roughly $4
[11:54] million in potential revenue and the
[11:58] other side of it is the reduction
[12:02] in general operating expenses so we
[12:05] don't have to send code enforcement out
[12:07] we don't have to send the police inqu
[12:09] there we're not babysitting it uh and it
[12:13] also encourages the adjacent Property
[12:16] Owners feel more comfortable in fixing
[12:18] their property
[12:20] up and this lead me to ask a question in
[12:22] terms of the um Law Department hiring um
[12:27] assistant operation Council
[12:30] um there be any consideration to
[12:33] hire one or few or three to with real
[12:38] estate experience to help you push the sales is that something that can be
[12:45] considered so can I strengthen the
[12:47] office with more of legal yes it could be considered yes it is
[12:52] considered and some of that is also uh
[12:56] some of a dynamic process so that if in
[12:59] fact we can get all the properties lined
[13:02] up do the foreclosures be able to Market
[13:05] them we can look to
[13:08] either uh bring people on to be on staff
[13:13] or reach out to existing law firms who
[13:17] uh as we do for labor attorneys we have
[13:20] firms on retainer that we pay more on an
[13:23] as needed basis than as opposed to a
[13:27] regular salary so that that builds some
[13:29] flexibility into it where if we can use
[13:33] the existing staff we'll do that if the
[13:36] workload shifts or the opportunity is
[13:39] there to move uh bigger projects or
[13:42] bigger numbers that we have the ability
[13:44] to go up and bring in outside
[13:47] Council yeah that that kind of lead me
[13:49] back to you mentioned just about we're
[13:51] seeing the impact in our neigh that
[13:53] people are investing people are you know
[13:55] buying these houses they're spending a
[13:57] lot of money but um My Little concern is
[14:01] that
[14:02] we i' say we going to put all of us in
[14:05] that that we kind of lack code
[14:07] enforcement what you mentioned I'm going
[14:08] to use your word the common sense
[14:09] approach to what's happening there and
[14:12] I'm glad that you doing something here
[14:13] to address those things and kind of
[14:15] address it nip it in the but can move on
[14:18] apply Common Sense where we cannot we
[14:21] need to bring people in right to provide
[14:24] the service and if we are driving in
[14:26] away we're losing revenue and what's
[14:29] happening in some areas right now
[14:32] because I don't feel people are talking
[14:34] to me that why do I want to come in here
[14:36] to do service when I have to wait you
[14:37] know six weeks four weeks so that and I
[14:40] know that you approach that very your
[14:42] message loud and
[14:44] clear deal that no I'm just talking
[14:47] about it but you did you did approach it
[14:48] and you put things in place and put some
[14:50] changes so I just want to commend you on
[14:51] that because those things if we didn't
[14:53] address it it would have created a m
[14:56] impact with C enforcement providing
[14:58] service
[14:59] to our home and some people do use an
[15:03] example your family had a extremely
[15:07] severe fire on 8th
[15:13] Avenue
[15:14] uh Fire Chiefs here they did a good job
[15:18] came in uh you
[15:20] know that house has basically been fully
[15:23] restored yes there's one two blocks down
[15:27] that is still sitting there there I was
[15:30] there uh two days ago looking at it
[15:33] again it's one where we've got a follow
[15:35] up on uh you know again it was a tragic
[15:38] event I believe that building had
[15:41] insurance but you know people are just
[15:43] making poor choices where you get a a
[15:46] house that sits there
[15:48] uh burned out vacant and uh you know
[15:52] it's really a negative influence where
[15:54] you come the example where you turned it
[15:56] around and your family fixed up and yeah
[16:00] he did a good job and thanks to the Fire
[16:02] Department chief was there through the
[16:03] day with his with his firefighters did a
[16:06] good job death fire out himself yeah no
[16:09] he didn't I would say that um he was he
[16:12] was there with know Serv and they restor
[16:15] that building way before they got the
[16:16] insurance money so they were aggressive
[16:17] they know what they have to do and
[16:20] that's a that's a good example of people
[16:21] taking responsibility and now leaving it
[16:26] behind so mayor are you you said that we
[16:29] have like $4 million in properties
[16:31] distress properties currently that we
[16:34] well approximately that if we sell them
[16:36] that's what I'm proposing in the 25
[16:41] budget
[16:45] and you your questions on the 25 Budget
[16:48] on the 26 budget of course the 26 budget
[16:51] is harder to project but if we continue
[16:55] to chip away on it there's real
[17:00] value so not not in the 25 that you're
[17:04] projecting it for the 20 that we sell
[17:07] that because it's not in terms of U
[17:10] Revenue it's not showing there so yeah I think that was a question is that
[17:14] this is this in this budget when we come
[17:16] next year for the 2026 budget we're
[17:18] going to have we're going to have to
[17:19] locate $3 million that's what the M
[17:22] seeing towards where we are stearing on
[17:25] $4 million in home sales right that can
[17:28] help to offset this so that will show up
[17:30] in revenue for the 2026 budget
[17:35] corre ahead I'm sorry I'm just a little
[17:37] confused about that so we do have it in
[17:39] the 25 budget that we're projecting to
[17:41] bring in um 4.5 million in home sales um
[17:47] and so but we also
[17:53] have the co assistance of this 3 million
[17:57] in the revenue of the budget
[18:00] so um so we still would have to make up
[18:03] like a million something is that what
[18:06] we're thinking question is if we were to
[18:07] keep if we were to say okay we're going
[18:09] to take the 2025 budget as is into
[18:13] 2026 how do we fund this AR allocation
[18:17] where do we account for this $3 million
[18:20] understand I understand but so would we
[18:23] have to sell even more property I guess
[18:25] is what I'm trying to say back down the
[18:27] taxx roles so
[18:29] tax revenue goes up gotcha is it's a
[18:33] it's not it's an overly simplistic
[18:36] analysis to say everything shows up in
[18:37] one line so there's actually when people
[18:41] fix their property up there's sales tax
[18:43] revenue that goes out uh on our closings
[18:47] now we we charge the $500 in advance for
[18:53] putting the permit system in place uh so
[18:57] again there's additional Revenue there
[18:59] in reduction in expenses there's a
[19:01] combination add that is a tax base
[19:03] increase the sale of the property
[19:04] mortgage tax and the the fees permit
[19:07] fees I understand that thank you
[19:10] combination of
[19:11] everything 2026 no I just want to bring
[19:14] that to the table so I don't want to
[19:16] feel that well we're we're scaring on
[19:18] anything there there opportunity out
[19:20] there to address
[19:22] this and also this doesn't include the
[19:24] um the pending sales that we talked
[19:26] about couple days ago right when does or
[19:30] maybe I should say does that figure
[19:31] include those sales those 29 I think
[19:34] prob some of it is going to happen in 24
[19:39] okay some of it the nature of the
[19:41] closings May drag
[19:43] into
[19:45] 25 and we sometimes play around with it
[19:49] a little bit in December you credit it
[19:54] in 24 or you credit it in 25 finance
[19:57] department looks at it where was the
[19:59] good
[20:00] faith uh date that we thought it was
[20:03] going to happen
[20:07] so thank
[20:12] you any other question on this
[20:16] um see then move forward the next one
[20:21] um we should all have this um from Sam
[20:24] and just explain the register
[20:26] on the money that was to that line is
[20:29] not really as
[20:31] tight so we just want to make sure that
[20:34] we address
[20:35] [Music]
[20:47] that the next report is um what I would
[20:51] say smart city so yeah Smart City
[20:55] allocation we should all have this
[20:56] report here
[21:00] this is a breakdown from 20 2018 192
[21:26] 21 that
[21:29] it was
[21:33] $100 I remember
[21:35] being yeah but I print print
[21:41] on I'm sure I have it I just have to
[21:44] find it
[21:55] [Music]
[22:00] just down we can make
[22:03] copies yeah that's fine we make copies
[22:05] we have to go through
[22:10] sorry
[22:12] Char what's the name of it smart city oh
[22:16] it was a newer one one new
[22:20] on oh I have it right here on top yeah
[22:23] for everyone
[22:24] yes every report i reive y
[22:30] oh okay
[22:43] [Music]
[23:01] in the meantime you can you can pull
[23:02] these two report these were questions
[23:04] from um um
[23:08] [Music]
[23:30] and the reason why I'm doing is you want
[23:31] to make sure that we address all the
[23:33] reports that was asked and provide to us
[23:35] I I don't want to leave any behind and
[23:37] leave anything that is not um you know
[23:40] discussed and if there's any outstanding
[23:42] questions you are welcome to us
[24:00] Anthony anything that we need to brief
[24:01] on here or this straight forward I think
[24:04] it's pretty straight forward if you look
[24:05] at the bottom part tells you what the
[24:07] approved budget was tells you you know
[24:09] any adjustments we made uh then it has
[24:12] the approved budget amounts and then
[24:15] expenditures through uh uh
[24:18] 2024 uh and then the over or the
[24:21] balances are on the bottom line just
[24:23] wanted to make sure to to let you know
[24:25] the CV CV connection ig9
[24:29] that is the cdbg grant through the state
[24:31] that we received those funds um which
[24:34] initially were just about to be receive
[24:36] those funds we are finishing up we have
[24:39] balance of 50,000 left and U as the
[24:42] matter right they're still they're still
[24:44] putting fiber in the ground right
[24:46] correct it's
[24:48] 200,000 still out there
[24:53] b for everything
[24:56] off can get next the real value of that
[24:59] project we some of who going to do an
[25:03] executive set give a briefing on the
[25:06] fire today but some of the things that
[25:10] were uh deployed or used every day but
[25:14] the fiber is going to be there for 50 or
[25:19] 100 years it's like water and sewer
[25:23] telephone uh so more
[25:26] things develop and can utilize that's
[25:29] going to be the full value of that
[25:33] project any question on this smart City
[25:40] allocation see now we move to um the
[25:44] questions Miss Patrick I think some of
[25:46] these were they were they were
[25:51] [Music]
[25:54] answer oh yeah I think we went we went
[25:56] over them in detail at each of them
[25:58] meeting so I'm comfortable but I I don't
[26:00] know if anybody else anybody has any
[26:02] followup to these
[26:06] questions see none we'll move to the
[26:09] um we should all have go ahead sorry
[26:12] please yeah um this question was asked
[26:14] on the 9th of um of October and there is
[26:18] the reduction in the public safety
[26:21] foundation and so we yes I I have that a
[26:25] note to talk about um the $5,000 yes
[26:29] yeah well we can you can go ahead talk
[26:30] about it so um that that was my question
[26:33] I know that they said they were asked to
[26:35] reduce their budget and it was 25,000
[26:37] and that's like what they do with
[26:39] Community engagement being out there and
[26:41] all that and so that budget was reduced
[26:43] to
[26:44] $5,000
[26:45] so the the fire department remain the
[26:48] same 25,000 but 20,000 is taken out of
[26:51] here and so if we're really talking
[26:53] about Community engagement all that in
[26:54] terms of police with the community I
[26:57] think we should we consider trying to
[26:59] put that back on that budget line and
[27:03] the other Dynamic with that is Public
[27:06] Safety Foundation some of it uh real
[27:10] goal is to have both departments work
[27:14] with individuals within the community
[27:16] and do some independent fundraises the
[27:19] old D program used to do a haunted house
[27:23] for Halloween and so some of it is that
[27:28] just use general tax dollars for it but
[27:32] to encourage people to support the
[27:36] public safety foundation and hopefully
[27:38] through that manner build a broader
[27:41] network uh where people are working
[27:44] together and supporting again those
[27:46] efforts in the public safety field I
[27:50] understand that but that's not in play
[27:52] shap so this is really kind basically
[27:55] decimated that line without that in
[27:58] place the foundation is there so some of
[28:01] the challenges people go out and raise
[28:03] money but yes so understand what you're
[28:06] coming from the
[28:07] council yeah that was one of my um
[28:10] suggestion when we discussed the budget
[28:12] um line by line was um to continue to
[28:16] fund that but at the same time you know
[28:19] we have 25,000 under the fire and 5,000
[28:23] here and the approach is to encourage uh
[28:28] um membership to go to seek um funding
[28:32] from other
[28:35] sources how much did they spend on that
[28:37] line this year to dat yeah well not year
[28:40] to dat but previous year they are they
[28:42] using that money
[28:44] sorry
[28:47] [Music]
[28:49] use the both department will share the
[28:52] expense in terms of the outre they do
[28:54] within the
[28:56] community G the number are you
[28:59] requesting that I try to find no I'm
[29:01] kind of I don't know if this feasible
[29:03] since we are you could give them 15,000
[29:07] fire department 15,000 of the police
[29:08] department that's what I was thinking
[29:09] it's feasible to kind of like a good 253
[29:13] splited 155 each and can I encourage um
[29:16] to go to seek um funding from other
[29:19] sources to help
[29:20] them I here to see this line I do not
[29:23] want to see this line go away ID
[29:26] Department to fund them
[29:28] what's the L number please it's um a
[29:32] 2120 402b go ahead please a312 page
[29:38] 20 so it's a3120 402a 402b I Know Chief
[29:44] um Marino stepped out one of the things
[29:46] I appreciate that the fire department
[29:48] does is they intentionally invest in
[29:50] like different organizations throughout
[29:51] the years so even if they're not in
[29:53] place I think their impact or their
[29:56] support of certain organizations is felt
[29:57] and and I imagine that in Chief Marino's
[30:00] capacity they have programs or
[30:02] organizations they annually fund with
[30:04] this ex with their full um allotment for
[30:09] this line in place so I don't know if uh
[30:13] splitting that between this and fire may
[30:14] put some of those programs um at at a
[30:18] negative expense um I will say publicly
[30:22] I I think it looked poorly optically for
[30:25] that to be one of the lines that were
[30:27] adjust Ed for the police department um
[30:30] definitely with conversations
[30:32] surrounding community and police
[30:34] interactions I am proud to say I'm I'm
[30:37] confident in the work that's been done
[30:38] and is being done especially within our
[30:40] school district as we've had recent
[30:42] events it's important to have a fully
[30:45] sta police force in place um but
[30:47] continually investing in the community
[30:49] is something that needs to be ongoing at
[30:51] the full capacity so from my
[30:54] understanding this is my third budget
[30:56] cycle definitely have having um a lot of
[31:00] conversations in one go is is pretty
[31:02] tasking so from my perspective I was
[31:05] looking at identifying just where
[31:07] people's um stances were with some lines
[31:11] and then allowing uh the finance
[31:13] department to either adjust or we can
[31:16] have follow on discussions throughout
[31:17] the remainder of the week of how do we
[31:18] identify Monies to support any of our
[31:20] positions but I think having that
[31:23] complicated conversation Al together it
[31:25] just it makes for a tasking evening
[31:29] I shared the same concern from the
[31:30] beginning I identifi this reduction and
[31:34] you it what is the actual to
[31:37] date you able
[31:47] to
[31:49] yeah you're absolutely
[31:52] correct we've seen the the creation into
[31:54] the neighborhood and the support toal
[31:57] organization
[31:58] to kind of bring awareness to what's
[32:00] happening police departments on the fire
[32:03] and you know it's something that we
[32:04] should support I mean if it's 15,000
[32:08] 20,000 it will help
[32:11] a31
[32:16] 2042 through end of September
[32:20] [Music]
[32:22] $3,646
[32:24] 25 2
[32:29] corre yeah I meant 25,000 oh 25,000 25
[32:33] so do we know if there's anything out
[32:35] there that like right now they're coming
[32:37] up they're doing what do they call that
[32:38] thing is coming up this week scity or
[32:41] whatever scity will come up and they buy
[32:46] candy so dides that come out of this
[32:48] budget line usually yes what what is the
[32:52] actual for the police department that is
[32:54] 3ry 410
[32:58] 28 fire department sorry 3410 4028
[33:04] [Music]
[33:06] 4028 it's on page 28 I believe that's
[33:10] correct
[33:11] 28 I find it on
[33:18] this2 316 is
[33:24] $2,556 oh
[33:30] they are doing
[33:31] op so we and we we still have to see
[33:34] what the cost is
[33:36] for but as Mr William said apparently
[33:39] they're also helping organizations when
[33:42] they put things on and that's how
[33:43] they're spending their money as
[33:45] well and in addition the police
[33:48] department I think they get things
[33:50] donated to them that's not costing them
[33:52] anything because they give away some
[33:54] serious
[33:55] stuff and I believe uh I was told I'm
[33:58] not I was told that some of the stuff
[34:00] that they get was
[34:01] donated that may be how they keep that
[34:04] line down pleas also have
[34:07] 83142 a Outreach and that year get
[34:15] 530
[34:16] two yeah they've been drawing on the
[34:19] line just above
[34:24] that is
[34:27] 2 a
[34:29] Outreach the other one you said they
[34:31] another line 402 402b and then
[34:35] [Music]
[34:42] 402 20123 their actual expenses
[34:46] were U uh out of this budget of 6,000
[34:51] they spent 1,000 and not 25,000 SP 6,000
[34:55] in 2023
[35:06] that's probably where they that's why
[35:07] they probably felt comfortable
[35:09] cutting well these are both um these are
[35:13] both from arund so no matter how we cut
[35:15] the must they won't be there next year
[35:17] to spend so um one year they did spend
[35:21] more than the 5,000 so I I definitely
[35:24] think we should increase it beyond the
[35:25] 5,000
[35:28] 15,000 was mentioned and again we have
[35:30] the um expense that we don't know what's
[35:32] going to happen for this October thing
[35:34] and I don't know if they do anything in
[35:36] um for
[35:40] Christmas it's conceivable that there's
[35:42] going to be more money spend in what
[35:43] we're seeing right now we did have one
[35:46] donor this year $110,000 or
[35:51] $5,000 for what that for Public Safety
[35:55] Foundation Public Safety Foundation
[35:58] H I know there was something with the
[36:00] school
[36:01] district the foundation I believe with
[36:04] the haircut this
[36:06] was this was just an individual who made
[36:09] a donation to the city for that specific
[36:12] use so is that money coming in help in
[36:16] that yeah that's so that's that could
[36:19] be
[36:23] 10,000 can we increase that the F to that
[36:31] whatever that amount is for
[36:35] now okay my question would so it's it's
[36:39] a donor then the money is there it's not
[36:40] even our it's an outside donor who
[36:43] specifically wanted to donate to that so
[36:46] it's not even our bit other
[36:48] money and where would that show up in
[36:50] revenue or do you show that probably
[36:52] under
[36:53] miscellaneous Like Only You
[36:59] I think one of the challenges um just in
[37:01] conversations I've had are that again I
[37:05] mean running events for them to be
[37:07] running events and using that that
[37:08] funding is can be challenging also
[37:11] because you know they're doing police
[37:13] work so I mean part of you know it might
[37:16] be interesting to think about whether we
[37:18] need somebody that we use some of the
[37:20] money to pay someone um that would
[37:23] actually be working with either with
[37:25] both either or both of the Departments
[37:26] to actually put on some of these things
[37:30] um just as just as a suggestion so I
[37:32] think that's what they pay they pay a
[37:34] vendor to for supplies and things like
[37:36] that so they manage program or they just
[37:38] pay for the supplies and and items or
[37:41] you know Supply food water whatever to
[37:44] carry out that event I just mean
[37:46] coordinating the events you know you
[37:48] know what I mean as opposed to the
[37:51] supplies for generally they attend
[37:54] events that other people have already
[37:55] coordinated like the 518 like the
[37:57] basketball thing that they were doing so
[37:59] it's someone other group that
[38:01] coordinates and then they invite them to
[38:02] come and bring all the goodies so I
[38:04] don't know that we necessarily need a
[38:06] separate coordinator because the events
[38:07] happen and then the police show up um to
[38:10] support it and bring all the giveaways
[38:14] like like part well National 9 was part
[38:16] of 518 so you so I I don't I don't know
[38:19] that we could afford the expense of
[38:22] someone because it's not like even a
[38:23] full-time job no no it's not a full-time
[38:26] job
[38:27] just a suggestion and then also I think
[38:30] an important component is with these
[38:31] community outreach lines in my
[38:33] perspective it's how do we prevent fires
[38:36] how do we prevent crimes and I think by
[38:39] embracing and engaging the community
[38:41] proactively where we address or provide
[38:43] some context to what they do or what
[38:46] policing involves or entails in in the
[38:48] city of concy I think it reassures
[38:51] people that the Poli are present and it
[38:52] also provides a friendly face to if you
[38:55] have any questions or if there are any
[38:57] Miss interpretations but I think for the
[39:00] benefit of this line it it helps to
[39:04] present and address issues before they
[39:06] happen into Chief Marino's comment he
[39:08] made earlier we can't quantify fires
[39:11] that didn't happen we can't quantify
[39:12] crimes that didn't happen but for this
[39:15] budget I think it truly it pays for
[39:18] itself and that's why I think having
[39:20] this being ongoing permanent line in the
[39:22] budget uh just ensures that generation
[39:25] after generation they understand the
[39:26] importance of the police their community
[39:28] and also it presents how the police
[39:30] should interact with their
[39:32] Community I think it's just really first
[39:35] time you engage a police officer you
[39:37] don't want it to be in the midst of a
[39:38] crisis right and I think that's kind of
[39:40] the same thing for our fire department
[39:42] so that's pretty clear um value there
[39:45] and I do think that them leveraging some of the uh Community uh things that
[39:51] are already existing to kind of
[39:53] contribute to it that again that just
[39:55] reinforces you know partnership and in a
[39:57] really meaningful way so it doesn't look
[39:59] like um you know as you know a
[40:03] performative thing just showing up it's
[40:05] like showing up and contributing you
[40:07] know uh to the cause is I think
[40:11] important for that so I think we're on
[40:12] the same
[40:13] pact I I do want to clarify that I don't
[40:16] want to take money away from them um and
[40:19] I absolutely value the them being
[40:22] involved in all these
[40:23] events I se a conversation here and I
[40:27] think for many of us and I can speak for
[40:29] myself is that we're looking to going
[40:33] forward into next year to meet this line
[40:36] permanent I don't think there's
[40:37] absolutely no push back on that is to
[40:39] make this line permanent so yes it's in
[40:41] low this year but these lines will
[40:44] eventually the next budget be permanent
[40:47] in our budget and funded from General
[40:50] Reserve I mean look at it it's to bring
[40:53] it up to 25,000 is 20,000
[40:56] M um
[41:00] if we have I don't know what the amount
[41:02] is is 10,000 or $5,000 was donated can
[41:05] we can we kind of subsidize that
[41:07] whatever that amount is and put the the
[41:09] balance and bring it back some of that
[41:12] in fact they may you s that money for
[41:14] like buying some of the candy
[41:18] for scare
[41:20] activity cheack that information down
[41:23] tomorrow yeah whatever the difference is
[41:25] I don't have an objection I from the
[41:28] beginning I said we need to bring this
[41:29] line back to 25 to match the the fire
[41:32] department and to keep it at $50,000 so
[41:35] they have that money available to them
[41:37] continue the Outreach continue the good
[41:38] work they're doing uh in our
[41:40] neighborhood to can of
[41:42] subsidize these uh events from the local
[41:46] organization and both department has
[41:48] been doing a fantastic job sing
[41:54] that so we wait we can put that as as an
[41:59] item to revisit and we're just steering
[42:02] down $20,000 which is not for 20,000
[42:05] more right yes I look for it
[42:12] tomorrow you got 6 got 60 already for
[42:17] yeah I like that all right 20
[42:20] tomorrow that's no I think all of us are very supportive of that yeah the
[42:26] next one we'll talk about
[42:27] the arle we should have this report here
[42:30] let's go through this m I think there
[42:33] are some some questions on
[42:36] [Music]
[42:54] this all right we need to make copies
[42:56] anybody
[42:57] anybody's missing you get copy yes sir
[43:01] all right
[43:04] [Music]
[43:11] [Applause]
[43:12] [Music]
[43:27] all right this was a thank you all
[43:35] right really fast before we move into
[43:38] this discussion I just so um the
[43:41] anti-racism training that's funded from
[43:42] a different line for the police or that
[43:45] call can you call the page oh oh sorry
[43:48] page um 20 Page 20 up so uh
[43:53] 402c 8120 402 the question was asked
[43:56] when I fin were like um what was that
[43:59] question they um they last year or this
[44:02] year I should say they had the anti-
[44:05] racism training that was done by the
[44:06] Underground Railroad and they don't it's
[44:08] not something that they do every year so
[44:10] there that's that's not seeing any
[44:12] funding so I'm not sure how it was paid
[44:14] for this year but I know that it was
[44:15] done this year through the Underground
[44:17] Railroad I'm not sure going forward if
[44:20] there's if they just donated their time
[44:22] and effort I'm not sure how they came
[44:23] about that so I did raise that question
[44:25] as well as as you can see as f for quite
[44:28] some time right I saw and I I I was
[44:31] looking I remember they're saying I
[44:33] wasn't I was looking for some clarity on
[44:34] I wasn't sure where that where it stand
[44:37] because right now I think well that's that's a question that we could
[44:39] kind of get from the chief like what the
[44:41] plans are for that CU I think that's
[44:43] really they had it done this year
[44:45] absolutely did but um it doesn't show
[44:48] anywhere in the budget so I know that
[44:51] they paid for it
[44:53] underr it looks like it's 100% it
[44:58] I thought that was taken out of a
[44:59] training line yeah it's not here that's
[45:01] what I
[45:02] thought if you don't mind we can ask the
[45:05] chief have
[45:11] something would you like yes
[45:15] please the
[45:17] chief ask the chief for a clarification
[45:19] as to why the this line Z
[45:25] out I know they the train
[45:27] yes yes and where where the money uh
[45:30] came from the pay for the
[45:33] training and when is it when is it next
[45:38] training I know those are one of those
[45:39] trainings that you like to see down
[45:41] annually as but I'm sure that they're
[45:43] good at finding like other resources and
[45:45] if they're finding other sustainable
[45:46] resources God bless them you know but if
[45:48] not something we should and that's why
[45:50] ask ask when the next TR the next is
[45:52] next here then we need to know where we
[45:55] can get to that
[46:02] training all right let's go through
[46:08] thiso any question you have please
[46:17] [Music]
[46:53] go ahead Mr Mr you gave report from the
[46:57] beginning there was a couple of um ones
[47:00] that you said we were recouping and
[47:01] bringing back to the general
[47:05] fund oh for 2025 yes yes we got that
[47:10] list right
[47:15] [Music]
[47:21] there okay we're looking to take uh
[47:25] 1 1,2 50,000 from the Carver Community
[47:30] rehab um
[47:33] 94,6 to from the sidewalk
[47:37] program
[47:39] 65486 from the empart center repad and
[47:44] 237,000 from Riverside Park
[47:46] [Music]
[47:50] for so they had 250 so they spent little
[47:54] bit what's left correct
[47:58] [Music]
[48:00] I believe that was
[48:05] Riverside I believe it was for the
[48:07] stting board I don't know I don't know
[48:09] what are they I I I think they hadn't
[48:10] made a decision I think they've gone
[48:12] back and forth um about basketball
[48:15] versus other things so and I and I'm
[48:18] speaking to the engineer that says
[48:20] there's no time he has no time available
[48:22] to do that he's the one who suggested
[48:25] that we take that
[48:28] Mr chairman go ahead please just s a
[48:31] message to Chief Whipple for the
[48:33] anti-racism
[48:35] training that was paid for out of the 23
[48:38] budget the number was in the amount was
[48:41] in in December of 23 but the training
[48:45] wasn't actually done until
[48:49] 24 so again it's been done this year and
[48:52] I think again they're looking to do it
[48:54] like every other year okay as part of
[48:56] the World
[48:59] TR that's what he said the other night
[49:02] that's what I think he said when we when
[49:03] we asked them the other
[49:08] night so gu if I can speak to them the
[49:11] last thing we highlighted was the
[49:13] Riverside Park courts I would hope that
[49:15] it was in response to that considered
[49:18] skateboard effort um I know even
[49:20] mentioned that out loud definitely
[49:22] there's a lot of red flags with
[49:23] liability uh I would say I don't believe
[49:26] in coincidence but I happen to run into
[49:27] an individual that's a really prominent
[49:29] figure in that area and he's like his
[49:32] comment um paraphrasing was we're not
[49:35] even asking for funding we just want to
[49:37] it to be approved um I know the research
[49:40] that I've done and I defin from the to
[49:42] Corporation Council and it's the mayor's
[49:44] prerogative it kind of spoke along the
[49:46] lines of as long as there's sound
[49:48] infrastructure those uh understandings
[49:52] kind of prevent us from any liability
[49:54] and I don't know where the rest of the
[49:55] council stands but I think if we going
[49:56] to be removing quarter of million
[49:59] dollars from that fund that could
[50:01] potentially revamp that area for this
[50:05] recreational activity I think in Li of
[50:08] that there should be a considered effort
[50:10] to identify how the city can make this a
[50:14] legal activity within the community um
[50:17] or we need to start enforcing the policy
[50:20] that's currently in
[50:22] place I just want to mention once again
[50:25] speak nor engineer who said
[50:27] with all the projects He has in place we
[50:30] not be able to get for that
[50:35] 2026 that's why and that's not what I'm
[50:38] advocating for so I apologize if that
[50:40] was misconstrued I'm saying if we're
[50:42] taking the money back I understand that
[50:43] we are in a financial position in the
[50:45] city where we have to identify potential
[50:47] fee increases and fine increases and
[50:50] what not applying this that that means
[50:53] to our tax tax base so I get that I'm
[50:55] saying if we're going proceed with not
[50:57] pointing this line we should look at how
[51:00] do we identify a pathway for the city to
[51:02] embrace this recreational activity as
[51:05] opposed to turning a blind eye and not
[51:09] supporting
[51:10] it Mr L so we have had meetings with the
[51:14] group um about the skateboard park and I
[51:17] think that we had alternative you know
[51:18] we had some suggestions um so we can you
[51:21] know bring that back to the table and talk to them again um but and the
[51:26] residents of The Stockade are also
[51:29] there's there's some of those residents
[51:31] that would be okay with a skateboard
[51:34] park and there's other residents that
[51:35] say well maybe it should be a basketball
[51:38] court um and still others that have even
[51:40] tossed around you know tennis or or pick
[51:42] a ball so I think it's a good a good
[51:45] idea to bring it back and it's something
[51:46] that the health and Recreation committee
[51:48] can put back onto an agenda as well but
[51:51] there I mean I don't know if you've had
[51:53] additional meetings um since the last
[51:55] one I attended but there definitely were
[51:57] you know some issues around liability
[51:59] and that kind of thing with the
[52:00] skateboard but um it's clearly a
[52:03] recreational activity so we should be
[52:05] thinking about
[52:07] it so but if there's no money then we
[52:09] can't we can't do basket we can't make a
[52:11] basketball in 2025 yeah or a pick aable
[52:13] court or anything there's no funding to
[52:15] support
[52:22] it I mean it's it's a city park so we
[52:25] can fund it at any given time true
[52:28] Capital it doesn't have to come from
[52:30] oura you can come from any Capital
[52:32] project or special allocation into the
[52:34] budget it's City facility so regardless
[52:37] of our or general fund if we decide to
[52:41] move forward and we may and the
[52:42] administration decide to move forward it
[52:44] can be funded either
[52:46] way but then we have to look at the same
[52:49] mean the morning topic
[52:51] liability so can not have people just go
[52:54] into a public park and start to do
[52:58] construction
[53:00] without getting a building permit any
[53:02] design
[53:05] standards there's just no good scenario
[53:08] yeah that's what I saying the warning
[53:10] point is liability of these things I'm
[53:12] in there and and what the design layout
[53:14] and all to make sure it's a safe
[53:16] environment for everyone to to
[53:19] use me again I think also it has to fit
[53:22] into the I mean the city engineer does
[53:25] have a lot of parks projects on his
[53:27] plate um as you can see from the from
[53:29] the grid and then you know he's working
[53:31] away on those things so you know sounds
[53:34] like it's not going to happen in
[53:36] 2025 right Mr Ferrari that's what he was
[53:39] that's what he told
[53:41] us I'm was saying I we have this Parts
[53:46] director position that is now occupied
[53:49] correct I think this would be a
[53:52] impactful uh topic for him start
[53:55] reviewing um I can hear all sides but in
[54:00] that there's no pathway of action so
[54:04] there is the
[54:05] potential uh amount of money that would
[54:07] have impacted any one of those issues
[54:10] that is now being removed and in replace
[54:13] of that we are putting W so I think
[54:17] there's already um items and Equipment
[54:21] there I understand
[54:23] 1,00% that the city cannot allow a group
[54:27] of individuals to just make a makeshift
[54:30] skate park I get that however we need to
[54:33] totly address that that is there and
[54:35] they are using that so unless we're
[54:37] going to really work collaboratively to
[54:41] right side that issue we have to tear it
[54:43] down and put up fences because I think
[54:45] it sends a Mis message to say you can't
[54:48] use this park but we're going to nor
[54:50] only allow people to use the par
[54:57] and miss miss um could you stop I mean I
[54:59] didn't know about that there were
[55:00] meetings that were taking place so
[55:02] you've been meeting with the a long time
[55:04] ago the skateboard won it wasn't even
[55:06] this year oh okay yeah all right I
[55:08] thought that was the last time that they
[55:10] oh it's been a while yeah oh okay thank
[55:12] you go ahead please I I do know that we
[55:15] did suggest under the ramp down by
[55:18] predel that was a good suggestion to the
[55:21] uh State boarders um and they they at
[55:25] that point w in agree to get money part
[55:27] of it for us to move them down there so
[55:30] again talks were were being held and
[55:33] taking place so and as Miss Patrick just
[55:35] said bring it back to the table at some
[55:37] point
[55:42] so well and as Mr William said they're
[55:45] still skating down there that's not even
[55:48] you know I've not been there in a while
[55:51] but the last time I was there during the
[55:53] summer they still were and actually
[55:56] there was an an email where they thought
[55:58] the council had just flashed their um
[56:01] idea and it didn't so let's say the
[56:03] record that that did not
[56:05] happen or have that discussion I Reed
[56:08] email that they
[56:10] [Music]
[56:13] believe just for clarity the
[56:18] question so yes so so just for clarity
[56:21] we're talking about a couple different
[56:22] things so the issue as it as we know as
[56:26] stands right now is liability clearly um
[56:30] but there's a way if this was to turn
[56:34] into a manifest into uh a skate park
[56:37] whether it's there or under uh the
[56:39] bridge I know uh I remember the man
[56:41] suggesting uh last year that the
[56:43] liability issue
[56:46] um will be mitigated if it is a skate
[56:51] park and it you know it's not obviously
[56:53] a makeshift thing right so so we're
[56:55] saying that're so that's my for clarity
[56:57] we're not saying that we can't do a
[57:01] skate park at some point due to liary
[57:03] right we're not saying
[57:08] that correct okay something designed to
[57:12] acceptable standards criteria for skate
[57:16] parks
[57:18] sure I think to bring them back to the
[57:20] table let's have a continued discussion
[57:24] and to come up with a a design that
[57:26] that's you know that is acceptable to
[57:30] city and then you know potential of
[57:32] moving
[57:34] forward can't be
[57:36] high what do we do with that old pool
[57:39] has ni the right curve that's I actually
[57:42] did suggest that I actually thought that
[57:44] would be a great
[57:46] idea Green Space or that's a possibility
[57:50] even though to say that that is
[57:53] M they do like a conr surface which is
[57:57] harder and
[57:58] [Music]
[58:03] smoother go ahead please um follow if we
[58:07] could just go back for a second I missed
[58:09] um in term when Mr Ferrari was talking
[58:11] about the projects that we were
[58:14] considering eliminating the funding for
[58:16] I got Carver Riverside sidewalk but I
[58:19] think there were some others the
[58:20] Empowerment Center oh that's right we
[58:22] had those was it's on this page we
[58:24] should have a report I guess
[58:27] oh
[58:30] I the summary should be the summary
[58:34] here thank
[58:38] you so right in the middle of it Capt
[58:42] the the breakdown gotcha of the um four
[58:47] um Pockets or the money is coming from
[58:51] [Applause]
[59:08] let's continue I mean we can just go
[59:10] side by side because this one capture
[59:11] something let's continue with this um
[59:13] ARA report and then we'll move on to
[59:17] anyone else in terms of any question
[59:19] that you may have
[59:27] so just just so we're just comfortable
[59:29] that I know that some people have well
[59:31] at least one or two but I can see
[59:33] already spent down and the rest we're
[59:35] just comfortable every all the projects
[59:36] will be done by
[59:39] 2026 because once we once we' allocated
[59:42] money by the end of this year we don't
[59:45] end there's no opportunity to recoup
[59:48] from if they don't spend it it's just
[59:52] have to send it back to the give it back
[59:54] we don't want that
[59:56] is that is that is that a true statement
[59:58] if they were to I mean I just want to
[1:00:00] put that out is that a true statement
[1:00:02] I'm continue um if we were to allocate x
[1:00:06] amount of money and they are not coming
[1:00:08] up to par in trying to complete progr
[1:00:10] can we resend that excuse me can we
[1:00:14] resend the contract yes and recruit the
[1:00:17] money back and bring it back in house
[1:00:19] before 2025 yes it would have to happen
[1:00:24] before 204 December 31st 2024 so that is
[1:00:27] something that we have to look at I will
[1:00:30] encourage them to you know all of us may
[1:00:33] administration department of development
[1:00:35] it's so kind we have to be on top of
[1:00:37] this project to see how they are faing
[1:00:40] out there and if they can come up to far
[1:00:44] we're going to have to we're going to
[1:00:46] have to amend um the resolution and to
[1:00:49] take this money back
[1:00:51] unfortunately that is my personal
[1:00:54] opinion right now this point time
[1:00:56] because it will hurt us more to see that
[1:00:58] we try to work with them all the way to
[1:01:00] the 21st of December and they can carry
[1:01:03] their weight they can add bring in
[1:01:04] additional funding from other source and
[1:01:07] lose millions of dollars so I think this
[1:01:10] Council has an obligation to to look at
[1:01:13] this with the mayor and the department
[1:01:14] of development and we work side by side
[1:01:18] to make sure that we bring back these
[1:01:20] funds in
[1:01:22] house well um go ahead please think that
[1:01:26] we some of these funds some of these
[1:01:28] projects did not need matching funds so
[1:01:30] we should like look at what didn't need
[1:01:32] matching funds I mean this there's one
[1:01:34] for $50,000 and then so in the next
[1:01:37] couple years will they be able to spend
[1:01:39] 40,000 on food or and I don't even know
[1:01:42] the date of thisy there's no date on it
[1:01:45] one was as I believe 924 924 so um I'm
[1:01:51] guessing that there's still more money
[1:01:53] that they spent or will have spent by
[1:01:54] the end of December
[1:01:56] so I if if we're even considering that I
[1:01:59] think we should
[1:02:01] um that was the food deliver that was
[1:02:03] just one I chose but even if we
[1:02:07] like look at some of the others that are
[1:02:10] under contract and part of it is
[1:02:13] because they have to get their
[1:02:15] contractors going I'm not sure so I
[1:02:18] think before we decide that we have to
[1:02:19] see where they are with the
[1:02:21] projects can you ask U this car
[1:02:25] [Music]
[1:02:28] you ask that was asked that and she said
[1:02:30] that she would do that like like for
[1:02:32] instance right the Harbor House right
[1:02:34] now still has
[1:02:36] $750,000 in there that still there's
[1:02:40] still a balance but do we really want to
[1:02:41] say we want to take that
[1:02:45] back um go ahead please yeah I mean
[1:02:48] again I think in that I mean I'm just
[1:02:51] responding to that particular project
[1:02:52] but um we had um a comprehensive
[1:02:55] presentation by them and they outlined
[1:02:58] how they were spending the money and
[1:02:59] what the timeline was that wasn't I
[1:03:01] wasn't asking I'll be taking their money
[1:03:02] back I'm I'm to Mr mood Mar's point we
[1:03:05] have to we should do this line by line
[1:03:06] and see where everyone is as opposed to
[1:03:08] just saying well they haven't spent it
[1:03:10] it's almost the end of the year let's
[1:03:11] take it back I'm not I'm not choosing
[1:03:13] them to take them back that's not what
[1:03:14] I'm saying okay it's a general statement
[1:03:17] making to safeguard us and to bring back
[1:03:20] some money rather than we lose it we
[1:03:22] bring it back and keep it in the house
[1:03:23] so we can use it next year
[1:03:27] go ahead please to direct
[1:03:30] Anthony in these
[1:03:33] contracts project moves ah had I used
[1:03:36] Harbor House as an example it's on
[1:03:39] Washington Avenue good project we all
[1:03:41] support it if they didn't use all that
[1:03:45] money to get to the end and there's some
[1:03:48] residual that is out there can't
[1:03:51] complete it could we word the contract
[1:03:54] more generically
[1:03:56] says that we'll use it
[1:03:58] for Harbor House
[1:04:01] or adjacent Street and sidew work so
[1:04:05] that we would put it back into the
[1:04:08] street
[1:04:10] uh somewhere on Union Street Washington
[1:04:14] avenet and that way at the end of these
[1:04:17] you know these big
[1:04:19] projects the likelihood of everything
[1:04:22] balancing out to zero is uh
[1:04:28] a little bit of a challenge but if we
[1:04:30] put some contingency there where there's
[1:04:33] always Paving to be done there's always
[1:04:36] uh something that uh you know there a
[1:04:41] lot of these it's not going to be huge
[1:04:42] amounts of money it might be a little
[1:04:44] bit the other hand maybe something does
[1:04:46] shift and you end up with $100,000 you
[1:04:49] don't want to lose that but so I don't
[1:04:53] know if
[1:04:54] that if we could do generic wording like
[1:04:57] that so
[1:04:59] it's yeah it's not I don't believe
[1:05:01] that's a problem at all with any of
[1:05:02] these we can do that I think what we
[1:05:04] have to look at what is the plan have
[1:05:07] they U have they got a contractor going
[1:05:11] forward are they looking to start the
[1:05:13] project that when are they looking to
[1:05:15] start the project and again if they have
[1:05:17] enough money because usually with the
[1:05:18] cases with any of these uh fundings in
[1:05:21] my experience is we they always use the
[1:05:23] grant money first so before the end of
[1:05:26] the project you know that they they'll
[1:05:27] use it for the excavation for the
[1:05:29] foundation and you know it's always done
[1:05:32] before they even start you know really
[1:05:34] believe it or not 750,000 or even
[1:05:36] 500,000 doesn't go as far as they used
[1:05:38] to you
[1:05:41] know and that's what I'm trying we need
[1:05:43] to know where they are and that's what
[1:05:45] I'm trying to like direct you know to be
[1:05:48] um more direct in terms of where we yes
[1:05:51] go to everyone and ask them where are
[1:05:53] you in in your project do you have
[1:05:56] matching funds where are you in terms of
[1:05:58] matching funds and if you're not there
[1:06:01] time is
[1:06:02] not in front of us we are we have to get
[1:06:05] this done in about I would say push it
[1:06:08] in two cycles we have to be aggressive
[1:06:11] because we need to bring it back in
[1:06:12] house make amendments and then
[1:06:14] reallocate it to City projects that will
[1:06:17] take a month at least so we have to make
[1:06:20] sure that we don't wait until the end of
[1:06:22] December to come back start so I think
[1:06:25] this this work all of us need to get on
[1:06:27] board to help make this happen it's
[1:06:30] unfortunate that we have to do this but
[1:06:33] we allocated you are unable to come up
[1:06:36] with your um expectation and we're not
[1:06:39] going to lose the
[1:06:41] money I I think that Miss Carver has
[1:06:45] that kind of information because she has
[1:06:47] come and made those she I think she
[1:06:49] probably knows exactly where each of
[1:06:52] these projects so I don't I I think
[1:06:54] maybe we could ask her to come
[1:06:57] on the
[1:06:58] agenda next committee meeting kind of
[1:07:01] give us update where we are and identify
[1:07:03] anyone
[1:07:05] that we need to
[1:07:08] Reco yeah definitely I mean there's a
[1:07:11] number of them that have if you look
[1:07:13] down here on the balance side there's a
[1:07:14] number of them have high balances as of
[1:07:16] September 24th that they're unextended
[1:07:18] there's a number I can I only see a
[1:07:21] couple like I can count I can count the
[1:07:23] zeros that have no balance let me say
[1:07:25] that
[1:07:26] so most of them have
[1:07:29] bance yes I have read the ones that have
[1:07:32] high dollar value we have to go after we
[1:07:35] have to address those course and then
[1:07:37] look at the the
[1:07:40] smaller
[1:07:45] tomorrow already well you can always
[1:07:49] ask yeah we can we don't need to wait
[1:07:52] until that's right we can ask it because
[1:07:54] it's a budget it's a budget item yeah I
[1:07:56] mean she's updated at us our council at
[1:07:58] our Council meetings our Council be
[1:08:00] prepared to talk in detail about the
[1:08:03] actual status would be something
[1:08:04] different yeah I don't know if she can
[1:08:07] get I think that might be too premature
[1:08:10] in terms of like asking or she might
[1:08:12] that able to I think we need to wait
[1:08:15] let's wait uh
[1:08:17] Monday next Monday to get that
[1:08:20] update because this doesn't affect the
[1:08:26] trying to bring back
[1:08:28] in City projects
[1:08:34] yeah the other thing I mean um I want to
[1:08:37] talk about in terms of the the C outome
[1:08:40] program we are dropping off 940,000
[1:08:45] it's something that is dear to all of us
[1:08:48] I program we have received our fair
[1:08:51] share of complaint from the mayor to
[1:08:53] every one of us none of us uh are are
[1:08:56] spared of that so when we are doing this
[1:08:59] reallocation back I would like to
[1:09:01] recommend that we consider reallocate
[1:09:04] some money to the sidewalk program
[1:09:06] because currently the Central Parkway
[1:09:09] sidewalk program slated for next year
[1:09:11] April 4S we also have melen Street EMT
[1:09:16] Street and Raymond Street
[1:09:19] petition that we need to consider and
[1:09:21] I'm going to actually add it on the
[1:09:23] agenda for Monday that we discuss um mum
[1:09:29] event and uh Raven Street the petition
[1:09:32] and how do we move forward in addressing
[1:09:34] those petition and have them line up for
[1:09:35] the next phase of sidewalk program in
[1:09:39] 2025 yes of
[1:09:41] course and and Rond
[1:09:45] yes and I would like to see that we
[1:09:47] reconsider someone to our program so we
[1:09:51] going to leave it as is but try to
[1:09:53] figure out where find yes yeah I am okay
[1:09:56] with yes with the reallocation at this
[1:09:57] point in time to help us with u the
[1:09:59] budget deficit but um that's a
[1:10:02] consideration I am putting on to the
[1:10:04] table as we make final adjustments
[1:10:06] towards the end of the
[1:10:08] year
[1:10:21] ex okay so go ahead sorry no I just want to point out that I don't have any
[1:10:27] friends on here just just last night
[1:10:30] just going to be clear so people can
[1:10:31] have it and for those who agre
[1:10:33] [Music]
[1:10:37] the be a lot more popular w't
[1:10:40] you I would have said yeah all of these
[1:10:42] people are my friends
[1:10:45] oh I just take some
[1:10:48] more yeah any other question on this I
[1:10:52] think this is straight forward we'll ask
[1:10:54] um Miss car
[1:10:55] sorry please I would say sincerely if
[1:10:58] we're doing our last three attacks I
[1:11:00] definitely it was not missed how
[1:11:02] passionate I was to see the pro
[1:11:04] Community project continue um I
[1:11:07] appreciate the work that was done to get
[1:11:09] to this point I know the transition and
[1:11:11] Leadership was agrup to say the least um
[1:11:14] but I thought it was a concern enough
[1:11:17] effort
[1:11:19] um in my perspective my wife's a social
[1:11:22] worker so she's really big on using eye
[1:11:24] statements
[1:11:25] I thought the stance from the city was
[1:11:30] disingenuous I thought the manner in
[1:11:31] which the project was presented and the
[1:11:34] comments that were had around the table
[1:11:36] gave the impression that we were working
[1:11:40] with them and with the lack of followup
[1:11:42] and communication when the project was
[1:11:44] pulled I can yield to the fact that
[1:11:46] there are better lines or better suited
[1:11:49] um project managers I.E well I won't
[1:11:51] even speak because we haven't had
[1:11:52] anything formally reled to us I
[1:11:54] appreciate the comments that were given
[1:11:56] last night in response to the
[1:11:57] individuals that came to speak um but
[1:12:00] that is why I'm so passionately
[1:12:02] responding to making sure our community
[1:12:05] outreach lines are funded that we are
[1:12:08] funding other recreational activities
[1:12:09] throughout the city because in absence
[1:12:12] of providing this resource to youth in
[1:12:15] the community we need to make sure we're
[1:12:17] actually putting some actionable items
[1:12:19] uh in front of them because I there's a
[1:12:23] lot of idle time and we hear of these
[1:12:29] um I want to be careful on how we
[1:12:31] capture recent events but it is
[1:12:33] unfortunate that our youth have been
[1:12:36] plagued with incident after incident and I think it is
[1:12:41] important to make sure we put actual
[1:12:44] funding behind um the comments I hear on
[1:12:48] the table and it is not easy um being a
[1:12:52] member of the city council there is wish
[1:12:55] thinking and then there's how do we make
[1:12:57] it end up and how do we balance the
[1:12:58] budget at the end of the year um but I
[1:13:01] would have been remissed if I didn't say
[1:13:03] anything regarding this I hope to see
[1:13:05] the the project to fruition and whoever
[1:13:08] this ultimately lands um but definitely
[1:13:11] this will be a loss for that community
[1:13:14] and we need to make sure we're
[1:13:15] intentional and other measures
[1:13:17] of of the city so that this isn't again
[1:13:21] this isn't lost
[1:13:25] just so just to kind add to that
[1:13:28] um my
[1:13:30] information I have this project cost
[1:13:34] about $3.7 million as of last year
[1:13:37] that's a number I'm sure that is way
[1:13:39] above that I would say closer to $4
[1:13:43] million we our allocation is $1.2
[1:13:46] million at this point in time so they
[1:13:48] are way behind at this point in time in
[1:13:50] terms of um the adequate funding for
[1:13:53] this project is yes fortunate to see it
[1:13:56] though but our $1.2 million is nothing
[1:13:59] towards this project it's a fraction and
[1:14:03] you know the other source of income
[1:14:06] funding um I don't know if was I for me
[1:14:10] it wasn't brought to this table and I
[1:14:12] don't know where it is at this point in
[1:14:14] time I asked that question many times as
[1:14:15] to where where the other source of fund
[1:14:17] coming we heard about the names without
[1:14:19] not getting any concrete you know
[1:14:22] something of confirmation ideas I'm
[1:14:25] going to fund xyc but then on the other
[1:14:27] hand I'm hearing that the school is
[1:14:29] going to be funding this entire project
[1:14:31] so I don't think any we're not losing in
[1:14:34] the sense of school is going to be
[1:14:35] funding this entire project and work
[1:14:38] with this group this 10 group so yes we
[1:14:43] we're taking back this funding of 1.2
[1:14:45] million but at the same time information
[1:14:48] I am receiving the school is stepping in
[1:14:51] so they are going to be place that they
[1:14:53] are going to be used and the facilities
[1:14:55] going be there and the school is partner
[1:14:57] with these agency to provide the service
[1:15:00] needed there I don't know if I'm getting
[1:15:02] that Rong I correct me please I don't
[1:15:05] know you get ask more about that um
[1:15:08] you're saying that the school is going
[1:15:09] to fund the project is the school going
[1:15:11] to fund the project as it was presented
[1:15:13] to us or the school going to do because
[1:15:15] generally the school like for instance
[1:15:17] they took over the building down here
[1:15:19] and then became administrative offices
[1:15:20] down there so is it still going to be um
[1:15:24] a commun some part of it anyway I don't
[1:15:26] expect the school to uh fund an entire
[1:15:29] Community Center and the school not have
[1:15:31] any role in the building so is a school
[1:15:34] going to what is the project and that's a question we we might want to
[1:15:38] ask ask the the lead person as a school
[1:15:42] as to what exactly that's information I
[1:15:44] don't have much I'm sharing what I again
[1:15:46] it's still somewhat fluid where the
[1:15:49] school district has a very serious
[1:15:52] interest in that building in that site
[1:15:55] and they're
[1:15:57] doing an evaluation in terms of will it
[1:16:01] fit their needs and I'm optimistic that
[1:16:03] that's going to move
[1:16:05] forward
[1:16:07] and it's a dynamic process but we we
[1:16:12] don't have a plan B if it doesn't no
[1:16:15] okay well you know again it's um we
[1:16:19] don't have a plan B the city does it
[1:16:21] because we don't have the money for m
[1:16:27] so you know again I'll just bring up the
[1:16:29] point point that I know there was there
[1:16:30] was some um conversation like well you
[1:16:33] know um that that neighborhood had
[1:16:36] doesn't I don't know it kind of implied
[1:16:38] that it doesn't leave and that's what I
[1:16:39] took from last night's conversation um
[1:16:42] however um the boys and girls club was
[1:16:44] there is now in Mount Pleasant and this
[1:16:46] just another Boys and Girls Club so
[1:16:47] maybe other communities don't have a
[1:16:49] community center necessarily but they do
[1:16:51] have facilities for children the Boys
[1:16:53] and Girls Club there's two of them in M
[1:16:54] Pleasant there's one in reram and then
[1:16:56] other parts of the city have have
[1:16:58] projects have places so um I just want
[1:17:01] to make sure that as we do the Craig M
[1:17:04] project that we don't have this
[1:17:06] dinosaur of a building that's just
[1:17:08] sitting there and nothing is in it and
[1:17:11] that somehow we make sure that we're not
[1:17:13] only it's something in it it's something
[1:17:15] that it's just not only for the school
[1:17:17] district but people children in the
[1:17:19] community can
[1:17:22] um can be a part of it and I think Mr Mr
[1:17:26] uh Williams was saying is that not that
[1:17:28] he's necessarily he understands why the
[1:17:30] money was taken back but just in the
[1:17:31] method in which it was done that people
[1:17:33] were not informed and the way they found
[1:17:36] out it was just uh then we started
[1:17:40] getting phone
[1:17:43] calls well number one I
[1:17:47] mean correct me if I'm wrong the money
[1:17:49] hasn't been officially taken back yet
[1:17:51] right we still have decisions to make in
[1:17:53] order for that to happen correct what
[1:17:55] was that number one I would say that and
[1:17:57] I think that the program I mean I think
[1:18:00] the school district you know I can't
[1:18:03] speak to what you know again whatever
[1:18:06] you know assessments they have to make
[1:18:07] sure that the building is feasible meets
[1:18:09] their needs U to the mayor's point I
[1:18:12] think that no matter who um is uh enters
[1:18:16] into that space um you know we want to
[1:18:19] encourage them to work closely with the
[1:18:22] community so the community
[1:18:25] um it still has some autonomy during the
[1:18:28] process and a lot of times when larger
[1:18:31] entities um get involved in the process
[1:18:33] they don't leave that space I think that
[1:18:35] the current leadership within the school
[1:18:37] district I think um we have a greater
[1:18:40] chance of of that being a reality that
[1:18:42] there is some autonomy there and there
[1:18:43] is some a genuine Community Partnership
[1:18:46] um I just again I would just caution us
[1:18:48] because I don't know that
[1:18:50] we to the mayor's point it's still
[1:18:52] pretty fluid you know and it is a
[1:18:53] dynamic process so I you know I
[1:18:57] don't want to make any decisions based
[1:18:59] on something that we don't really know
[1:19:01] is um going to materialize as
[1:19:08] yeah I do have one other I'm sorry we
[1:19:11] are we finish with that particular
[1:19:12] discussion I I want to no I just want to
[1:19:14] ask any other question on this um these
[1:19:16] article yes go ahead questione because
[1:19:20] again I received an email regarding um
[1:19:22] doors and they
[1:19:25] had there was something that they
[1:19:27] already done the work but then they came
[1:19:29] back you remember this came back so you
[1:19:33] see also asked that during this budget
[1:19:35] season are we going to reconsider the
[1:19:37] 70,000 for their project once to make
[1:19:40] sure every brought that question to the
[1:19:45] table so we we did initially uh allocate
[1:19:49] this money and then we uh amend the
[1:19:51] resolution to take that money back
[1:19:53] $76,000
[1:19:54] right and now you you receive an email
[1:19:57] asking for this money back well we what
[1:20:00] we took back was money that they had
[1:20:03] already spent and done before before the
[1:20:06] project before they received that and
[1:20:07] that was not allowed they couldn't we
[1:20:09] couldn't pay for them for work that was
[1:20:10] already done but uh then they submitted
[1:20:13] something that said that we had had work
[1:20:15] other work that would
[1:20:17] qualify and I don't think we ever got to
[1:20:20] the point where we discussed
[1:20:22] that did you have something Miss Patrick
[1:20:25] I think brought that up and discussed it
[1:20:27] I I think that we did discuss it in a
[1:20:30] committee meeting I don't know that we
[1:20:31] came to a decision but we did discuss
[1:20:34] what you're what you're talking about
[1:20:35] right and I'm bringing it back because
[1:20:37] we did make a decision and because I got
[1:20:38] an email to ask is there a possibility
[1:20:41] from Proctors yes from Proctors I should
[1:20:43] be clear from Proctors yeah I am trying
[1:20:46] to recall when we discussed it our our
[1:20:48] balance at that point in time was almost
[1:20:50] zero yes yeah I think when you brought
[1:20:53] us the allocation and B say that it was
[1:20:55] thata point where we we can't even
[1:20:58] reconsider it because we did not have
[1:20:59] the funding correct
[1:21:01] yeah yes so yeah I can
[1:21:05] yeah it's more than likely they already
[1:21:07] paid for that yes they new stuff
[1:21:09] again would be eligible
[1:21:12] again well the first one was because
[1:21:14] they did it even before their Grant was
[1:21:16] submitted correct before we got the
[1:21:18] money yes so definitely not
[1:21:24] question so if looking at the
[1:21:27] outstanding balances in the OPA
[1:21:30] funding and say say there's just a use
[1:21:34] of five half a million right and we
[1:21:38] talking the possibility of it going into
[1:21:40] sidewalk budget if we created a line for
[1:21:43] Youth Services on the park and wck maybe
[1:21:46] address some of the concerns that you
[1:21:48] would we have to prescribe how it would
[1:21:49] be spent or if we just create a line use
[1:21:52] services and and say maybe that 500
[1:21:55] that's put 250 for you services and kind
[1:21:59] of look at the needs in the city and
[1:22:01] then some of the areas of concern and
[1:22:04] Target
[1:22:05] activities um in those communities would
[1:22:08] that be an option for us we we do have a
[1:22:10] lineing the budget here for $150,000 and
[1:22:13] I think one of the question that was
[1:22:14] asked where are we in terms of spending
[1:22:16] that is it adequate do we need to fund
[1:22:19] it more into
[1:22:21] 2025 the employment mean the employ you
[1:22:24] employment we do
[1:22:26] programming oh you're talking about this
[1:22:28] generally here or yeah just just like
[1:22:30] come up with some creative ideas like we
[1:22:32] create a budget line so here are some
[1:22:34] areas that you know at at nighttime
[1:22:36] right there's a lot of free time in this
[1:22:38] community we got some concerns us create
[1:22:40] a night time program maybe an existing
[1:22:42] school that will fall into this the
[1:22:45] youth allocation here that we have the
[1:22:49] program my understanding from the mayor
[1:22:51] is that the youth program is they hired
[1:22:54] young people to work right in City Hall
[1:22:57] so it was also used in the parks
[1:22:58] department too but but what I should say
[1:23:01] for City staff not necessarily into Hall
[1:23:04] but all City staff not not outside of
[1:23:08] well it was used this year for the year
[1:23:10] prior to that we use it in the school we
[1:23:12] use the funding for the school district
[1:23:14] partner with them yes yes so I think
[1:23:16] it's not specifically for it was more of
[1:23:19] helping out this year in the
[1:23:21] city but I think that can spread out for
[1:23:24] all theity without
[1:23:27] agency this year was all the city that was the answer to the question so I
[1:23:31] don't know going forward if that's the
[1:23:33] plan or if there's also an opportunity
[1:23:35] to use it beyond
[1:23:38] that or how that works well what council
[1:23:42] and is saying correct
[1:23:45] is we could do programs it could be city
[1:23:48] employees but it might be in a school
[1:23:53] building Poss yeah Co well I was wondering just
[1:24:00] um I mean again if the school district
[1:24:03] and I know where you know if the school
[1:24:05] district was to take over the um
[1:24:07] Community Center then there'd be youth
[1:24:10] programming you know going on in that in
[1:24:13] that facility Well I that's I was
[1:24:15] thinking um you know after school
[1:24:17] programming and that kind of that was
[1:24:19] qualify for cdbg
[1:24:21] funding so that is there so we would
[1:24:23] encourage to make an application at that
[1:24:25] point in time and we will encourage um that application to be have a
[1:24:31] favorable
[1:24:32] consideration and
[1:24:34] funding can be um can be available to
[1:24:38] help with the administrative CA to help
[1:24:40] run that U those programs there I
[1:24:45] wonder so uh thank you excuse me Joe you
[1:24:49] want to just take I I think there's a
[1:24:51] pretty stringent um restriction on our
[1:24:55] punds so how we can I understand take
[1:24:59] that money put a separate line save for
[1:25:01] ourselves to help the youth um I don't I
[1:25:04] don't know we could reach out to miss
[1:25:07] carer because that's exactly what you
[1:25:09] want to do but I don't think we can sa
[1:25:11] it but that's why we're trying to to
[1:25:13] spend you know find out what's happening
[1:25:15] now so we can allocate that money but it
[1:25:17] a great
[1:25:19] idea I was just going to say I think
[1:25:21] part of the um benefits of partner with
[1:25:24] the school districts that they bring
[1:25:26] resources and so I would think that the
[1:25:28] school district is going to bring put
[1:25:31] the resources then maybe we should be
[1:25:33] looking
[1:25:34] um uh to put you know maybe these uh
[1:25:40] leftover for black or better turn
[1:25:42] resources in in in in a different
[1:25:44] direction I would just think that you
[1:25:47] know one of question I asked the May to
[1:25:50] look at we have um expanded this um this
[1:25:53] year from L and to see do we need more
[1:25:56] or is 150 adequate to take us into 2025
[1:26:00] because we need to expand yes we're
[1:26:02] doing a good job in employing people
[1:26:04] here and to kind of you know introduce
[1:26:06] them to the workforce which is a good
[1:26:08] thing MH and it's a wonderful program
[1:26:11] but at the same time we can expand it
[1:26:12] out to continue to help and work with
[1:26:15] the school
[1:26:18] district I think also that um part of
[1:26:21] the cdbg and correct me if I'm wrong but
[1:26:23] I believe that there's Coalition still
[1:26:25] of um nonprofits that are youth serving
[1:26:29] nonprofits that are um they get cdbg
[1:26:33] funding as a
[1:26:34] coalition um and work together with our
[1:26:37] director development to um provide youth
[1:26:40] programming too I'm all for more youth
[1:26:43] programming but I just wanted to bring
[1:26:45] that up as well that we do have that I
[1:26:47] think that's still in place um I think
[1:26:49] it was like six or seven different
[1:26:51] organizations that were under one
[1:26:53] umbrella um
[1:26:54] but when we have this car when we have
[1:26:57] this Carver come in we'll be able to ask
[1:26:59] for that too yeah so we can follow up
[1:27:01] with that in terms of the the actuals
[1:27:05] and expended to dat on that line and see
[1:27:08] where we are if it's adequate yes if if
[1:27:11] it's not adequate we can make a
[1:27:13] recommendation to see if where if we can
[1:27:16] find some funding and then use your
[1:27:20] words money Tri yes the program that we
[1:27:23] need to continue to to fund every year
[1:27:26] mhm so I was just thinking um and this
[1:27:30] again this might be more a better
[1:27:31] question for Miss carer but I think
[1:27:34] within the parameters of what's
[1:27:36] acceptable uses or funds for arpa youth
[1:27:38] programming um definitely fits well
[1:27:42] within that so I don't think that we
[1:27:43] probably to your point I want to make
[1:27:45] sure we're using the money but I think
[1:27:47] that that's that would be an allowable
[1:27:48] use though I do think
[1:27:50] so that's how we have some of these the you program right current it's
[1:27:54] funded um from but I think we can expand
[1:27:58] it yeah yeah I was speaking to to Miss
[1:27:59] D's point and making sure that we're
[1:28:02] operating within the parameters of the
[1:28:04] AR are yeah I was thinking I was just
[1:28:06] saying I think that that would meet the
[1:28:09] criteria a prime example is the C house
[1:28:13] theying that to to advantage of the use
[1:28:16] abely there's several yeah page 43
[1:28:27] so that's on we can see the actual in
[1:28:30] 2022
[1:28:33] 2023 it was almost close to us we had
[1:28:37] a
[1:28:41] [Music]
[1:28:46] watch spent on
[1:28:49] [Music]
[1:28:54] so I'm just going to circle back to the
[1:28:56] prop question so is that something we're
[1:28:58] going to be considering or it just um
[1:29:02] not going to consider anything else in
[1:29:03] terms of the other
[1:29:07] [Music]
[1:29:09] funds at this point in time we don't
[1:29:12] have funding
[1:29:15] $843 46 $846 sorry thank you for
[1:29:19] correcting me so I think we yes we can
[1:29:21] consider it when we make these
[1:29:23] reallocation back and make amendments
[1:29:25] when the next two cycles hopefully well
[1:29:29] not hopefully we should the next two
[1:29:31] cycle make this amendment yeah that can
[1:29:33] be brought back to the table for
[1:29:34] discussion and see where members are in
[1:29:38] terms of that I just for clear I'm not
[1:29:41] in favor of it I think there are bigger
[1:29:43] needs in the off in the city uh I think
[1:29:46] the concessions that are being asked of
[1:29:48] our residents I know we're having these
[1:29:51] discussions right now it is an
[1:29:52] unfortunate circumstance but
[1:29:56] I we're not proposing small
[1:30:00] increases and for very important reasons
[1:30:03] and then in forecasting what 2026 looks
[1:30:06] like I think if there are any benefits
[1:30:09] out there to be provided to the tax base
[1:30:12] and you have to do that
[1:30:15] now because it is only going to get in
[1:30:19] and I want to be careful so I don't want
[1:30:20] to scare anyone but I think I'm trying
[1:30:22] to be transparent we have had a very discussion from a very good
[1:30:26] presentation from our Police Department
[1:30:27] our fire department their needs are
[1:30:29] their needs and as we have ongoing Union
[1:30:33] nego or contract
[1:30:35] negotiations the number is going to get
[1:30:37] bigger so I think it is unfortunate I
[1:30:40] appreciate Proctors and what they do for
[1:30:41] our community but I think there should
[1:30:43] be a clear message and just speaking for
[1:30:45] myself I I don't think we can do it now
[1:30:49] there are two other members in the
[1:30:49] committee but I just want to be clear no
[1:30:51] you're Absolut you're absolutely correct
[1:30:53] and that's the reason I I am pushing I
[1:30:56] am pushing for us to revisit these um
[1:30:59] allocation and if ageny are not of the
[1:31:02] power bring it back in we make our
[1:31:04] Amendment make our adjustment reallocate
[1:31:06] to the city and let's keep it in house
[1:31:08] and that will help us in the 20126 by
[1:31:11] doing that partly rather than
[1:31:14] later the one question we were
[1:31:18] neighborhood neighborhood they talk
[1:31:20] about reallocating some money we made
[1:31:23] one allocation $500,000 assignments part
[1:31:26] and there were some email I'm not sure
[1:31:27] if everybody was copy on it if not we
[1:31:30] can share it yes everyone got the email
[1:31:32] they were asking for some reallocation
[1:31:34] to ker Street Park and we direct them to
[1:31:38] your office and the department of
[1:31:39] development to kind of like work with
[1:31:42] you and the department of development
[1:31:43] see what the the needs are there at car
[1:31:46] street and we we can make amendment to
[1:31:50] some
[1:31:52] recommendation this point not prepared
[1:31:54] to make a recommendation out there's
[1:31:56] still work to be done in Stein's
[1:31:59] part
[1:32:01] and i' like to make sure that gets
[1:32:05] done so that we're not kind of doing
[1:32:09] half F projects in two parts and then to
[1:32:13] focus on Harry Street we've worked with
[1:32:17] uh car street where we've done some tree
[1:32:19] planting and some other modifications
[1:32:21] there and so you know it's moving
[1:32:24] ahead uh there's some
[1:32:28] internal uh discussions within that
[1:32:30] group you know it
[1:32:33] wasn't best I can tell a formal meeting
[1:32:36] the goose Hill Neighborhood to make that
[1:32:40] recommendation to pull money out is a
[1:32:43] smaller group that part of the
[1:32:44] leadership I'm not saying anybody is
[1:32:47] wrong but there's uh discussions I think
[1:32:50] still have to happen before make any
[1:32:53] final decision ision and the first being
[1:32:55] what are the actual costs we need in
[1:32:57] Stein Park to get that done and before
[1:33:00] we look at K
[1:33:02] Street and they did bring it up at the
[1:33:04] meeting the most they brought that up
[1:33:07] and then I think after that there was an
[1:33:09] email that went to um that that came to
[1:33:12] me and asked I think it came to all the
[1:33:14] council and then I my resp my response
[1:33:16] was that they should go to the
[1:33:18] Department of development it's not up to
[1:33:19] us to take that information that send it
[1:33:22] to the Department of development inur
[1:33:24] would then you know consider bring back
[1:33:26] whatever they had and bring it to the
[1:33:27] council although the other night I think
[1:33:29] that there was a misunderstanding that
[1:33:32] they could again come back to the
[1:33:33] council and um and ask that
[1:33:37] question no that's why I I didn't make
[1:33:40] that comment to a member that they need
[1:33:44] to speak to the mayor Department of
[1:33:45] development and the engineer and to kind
[1:33:48] of lay out what uh is needed ass
[1:33:51] signment and the f
[1:33:54] to complete that project and any left
[1:33:56] over then it can be reallocated to that
[1:33:58] project but it will have to be um driven
[1:34:00] by um Fair estimate from the
[1:34:10] engineering any question on this
[1:34:31] so just to address the
[1:34:35] um the hill
[1:34:38] hearts and the money that is available
[1:34:40] Hill schol allocated
[1:34:44] $250,000
[1:34:46] and it looked like they a balance of
[1:34:50] $230,000 and the compensation that was
[1:34:52] center around this last time and the
[1:34:55] misinformation that was F that nobody
[1:34:58] wanted to move any money out from B is
[1:35:01] more about how do we spend this money in
[1:35:03] B within the park there and repair the
[1:35:08] pool is I enough money to fix the pool
[1:35:10] or do we do a splash p and I think that
[1:35:14] M Patrick and Miss P was trying to to
[1:35:16] get in terms of um how do we spend the
[1:35:20] remaining money there internally
[1:35:27] there are some spending there against
[1:35:29] that L the hell horse
[1:35:31] pool the big question is is that
[1:35:33] adequate
[1:35:35] $250,000 to complete the re there's
[1:35:41] uh some negotiations that are going on
[1:35:44] that
[1:35:45] uh
[1:35:47] say Council to Executive session if you
[1:35:50] want be briefed on
[1:35:52] that other
[1:35:56] yes I I was going to actually discuss a
[1:35:58] couple things more go in executive
[1:35:59] session we want to talk about some
[1:36:00] pending expens into next year that we
[1:36:02] are not accounting for the
[1:36:04] budget that
[1:36:07] be and yes we can do that and then talk
[1:36:10] about the fire yeah put
[1:36:17] couple so just no I just want to clear
[1:36:20] the ear on this um Hill hor allocation
[1:36:22] the allocation the one for the Fair View
[1:36:25] part and the pool no money is being
[1:36:28] removed from the the B allocation we
[1:36:31] might we might to repair the pool and
[1:36:33] stuff that is no that is not happening
[1:36:36] that's no go that's just no the money is
[1:36:38] not adequate it's
[1:36:40] not and actually um you know you all got
[1:36:43] the email you saw the responses and so
[1:36:47] somehow the information was that at this
[1:36:49] table that Miss Patrick and I were
[1:36:51] trying to figure out ways to remove the
[1:36:53] money that conversation didn't happen
[1:36:55] the conversation was around the money
[1:36:57] that is currently here what can we do
[1:36:59] with it and the suggestion that I made
[1:37:02] was that could we do a slash pad and
[1:37:04] that was a conversation somehow that got
[1:37:05] misconstrued to you're taking the money
[1:37:07] back an email came to us and an email
[1:37:10] went out to the community or at least
[1:37:11] the Bel group just just so you know
[1:37:14] saying that this is what they're doing
[1:37:15] and then an email said oh stand down
[1:37:17] that's not what they doing after they
[1:37:18] got the email saying otherwise so just
[1:37:20] want to make it clear at this table that conversation didn't take place then
[1:37:24] it's not taking place now um no one's
[1:37:27] asking to remove money from helpers but
[1:37:30] rather to figure out within the park how
[1:37:32] we use the money to the best um of our
[1:37:36] ability based on the amount of money
[1:37:37] that there
[1:37:39] is so may would it be can we can you get
[1:37:43] an update to
[1:37:45] theate for this
[1:37:47] pool just for the sake of discussion to
[1:37:50] see where where it lands in terms of how
[1:37:53] make adjustments in the next couple of
[1:37:57] weeks I'm probably not going to be able
[1:37:59] to get a number that would
[1:38:03] be accurate No No something something
[1:38:05] that we can you
[1:38:08] know well we did
[1:38:15] AOL we one in the
[1:38:19] city yeah because if it's we allocated
[1:38:22] 250,000 if it's like 100,000 more then
[1:38:25] consideration can be given to say okay
[1:38:27] if it's that amount I'm just thr numbers
[1:38:28] out that number is too low and the
[1:38:33] engineering issue with that pool is it
[1:38:35] was losing huge amount of water every
[1:38:39] day um they could not identify where the
[1:38:44] water was going they can't find an
[1:38:47] obvious Leep and what they're worried
[1:38:50] about is the potential to create a cab
[1:38:54] either underneath the pool or adjacent
[1:38:56] to the pool so that you
[1:38:58] would have people in swimming you would
[1:39:01] have a catastrophic collapse of the pool
[1:39:04] is why I closed it number of years ago
[1:39:08] and you the repairs would
[1:39:12] be just
[1:39:17] yes the millions so then the
[1:39:19] consideration is a PL spash pad is the
[1:39:23] ideal thing to to kind of replace
[1:39:26] that consideration can be given to that
[1:39:29] they need
[1:39:31] discussion all
[1:39:36] right I don't have anything else on
[1:39:39] this anybody else
[1:39:48] this the the connect Foundation the food
[1:39:51] program The Healthy Choice program it's
[1:39:54] still 540,000
[1:39:57] there
[1:39:58] any you raise your
[1:40:03] hand Anthony or Derek they've been
[1:40:06] drawing some money down yeah we have
[1:40:08] like about
[1:40:10] [Music]
[1:40:11] 240 should be
[1:40:14] the yeah yes that's correct yeah 21 2135
[1:40:19] is
[1:40:25] bance of
[1:40:27] 542 well I just want to say I think that
[1:40:29] the initial um allocation of 600,000 to
[1:40:32] this connecting Foundation was for a
[1:40:34] three-year project so um I don't know
[1:40:39] because it is a lower figure that they
[1:40:41] have spended so far to date but I think
[1:40:43] that that was the that was the overall
[1:40:45] plan I think when we first uh gave them
[1:40:48] the the
[1:40:49] 600,000 and they but we I think it would
[1:40:53] be to get some more detail on that um in
[1:40:56] terms of
[1:40:58] um they they established a food Council
[1:41:00] that's connected County food council
[1:41:02] with that with that funding um but I
[1:41:05] can't I I'm not sure funding that there
[1:41:08] that's going out into the community from
[1:41:11] is from that money I don't think it is
[1:41:13] but I think we need to we probably would
[1:41:15] need to get some clarification from them
[1:41:17] but it was a
[1:41:19] three-year
[1:41:21] you yeah provide that update for
[1:41:25] us miss car too any other comments on
[1:41:28] this what D Miss car okay
[1:41:34] Miss say that all right say
[1:41:39] the there is one report of talk and then
[1:41:43] we'll go into exu session and then we'll
[1:41:46] continue
[1:41:50] tomorrow hasib with
[1:41:54] the
[1:41:55] vacancies I think some question was
[1:41:57] asked
[1:42:05] today
[1:42:07] address they everyone received this
[1:42:09] email
[1:42:11] M yes Chief Clipper yes okay
[1:42:20] [Music]
[1:42:27] this is an extra this is an extra vacy
[1:42:30] I'll give
[1:42:31] it
[1:42:32] V oh everybody has the
[1:42:36] vacancies VES make I had an extra copy
[1:42:39] so I just put it on de's
[1:42:42] pile let's make a three
[1:42:46] [Music]
[1:42:49] copies unless it's unless it's updated
[1:42:52] [Music]
[1:43:12] yeah I took the one
[1:43:15] back it's a little different
[1:43:31] 8464 does she carry the B it's
[1:43:34] $846 yeah no I saw that yeah that's left
[1:43:41] yes
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[1:44:04] that's a
[1:44:08] mile M
[1:44:12] stopped finally
[1:44:13] stopped so
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[1:44:28] sometimes I wake
[1:44:32] [Music]
[1:44:49] up just stret it stretch it out
[1:44:54] right up
[1:44:56] [Music]
[1:45:49] we were looking to do
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[1:46:21] the have one of m
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[1:47:14] put
[1:47:23] the
[1:47:24] fun I'm just
[1:47:26] asking not quite yet not quite
[1:47:31] [Music]
[1:47:51] yet that
[1:47:55] no I will let you know just couple
[1:47:57] things we need to discuss and then we'll
[1:47:58] go in ex session and W up for
[1:48:01] 7:30 we we just go for the vacy list
[1:48:04] there were some questions to that and
[1:48:06] this report for us we just want to go
[1:48:08] through it to make sure that we address
[1:48:10] all the
[1:48:11] concerns and if there have questions we
[1:48:14] can ask
[1:48:21] [Music]
[1:48:24] and I think this is an early list it's
[1:48:27] like the code enforcement is actually
[1:48:29] the results came back on the test so P
[1:48:33] some of those the Law Department doesn't
[1:48:36] reflect these positions there we those
[1:48:43] to I sent follow email
[1:48:48] [Music]
[1:48:55] um go ahead please I just want to in the
[1:49:01] engineering is it the IPS 3 that's
[1:49:03] vacant or is it the IPS 4 on page 10 I
[1:49:06] don't know why I thought I have a note
[1:49:08] to myself but I don't know why I guess
[1:49:10] three is the B it is
[1:49:18] okay thank you
[1:49:24] any question on
[1:49:26] this go ahead please um it is in regards
[1:49:31] to the deputy Corporation Council I have
[1:49:34] concerns with eliminating that
[1:49:37] um secondary role within that department
[1:49:42] um I can understand the reasoning behind
[1:49:45] trying to replace that with a certain
[1:49:48] number of part-time uh assistant
[1:49:51] Corporation Council
[1:49:53] positions um but to me definitely having
[1:49:56] either a redundancy within the
[1:49:58] department even if more having a um like
[1:50:03] progression to support but also future
[1:50:07] because uh our current Corporation C is
[1:50:09] not going to be there forever so I think
[1:50:10] having the proper um training and
[1:50:13] development is important um it is in
[1:50:16] place in every other department so I
[1:50:18] think to have this not reflect that
[1:50:20] current standard um I think
[1:50:23] is could potentially be an issue not
[1:50:25] saying that it will be saying it could
[1:50:34] be I stay ask for help I if you guys
[1:50:40] want things to move quickly and
[1:50:42] efficiently more help would not be uh I
[1:50:46] mean more help would be very appreciated
[1:50:55] so this followup question would be in
[1:50:58] response to the number of positions that
[1:50:59] you requesting assistant Corporation
[1:51:01] councils obviously if the council was to
[1:51:04] elect to still fund the deputy it
[1:51:06] wouldn't be the full ask are you
[1:51:08] confident you would be able to fill all
[1:51:11] the requested positions that you did ask
[1:51:12] for in regards to the assistant
[1:51:14] Corporation counsel if that makes sense
[1:51:15] so I don't know if iard question you're requesting four positions I don't
[1:51:19] have that
[1:51:21] line so if we were to proceed with that
[1:51:24] are you confident you would fill those F
[1:51:26] throughout the year those are filled
[1:51:28] yeah those are filled yeah the parttime
[1:51:31] assistants are
[1:51:32] [Music]
[1:51:34] F so go ahead please so we'd be adding
[1:51:38] if Mr Williams So you you're are you
[1:51:41] thinking that we add the deputy cor
[1:51:43] Council back in at
[1:51:45] 106,000 I
[1:51:47] think did you is it that
[1:51:50] the Well it's thing I think we're trying
[1:51:53] to do like the assistant Corporation
[1:51:55] cons on the PDM and then um kind of take
[1:51:58] some funding from that line upwards it's
[1:52:01] a movement within zero impact it's not
[1:52:04] going to be zero impact have to add some
[1:52:06] money if there's a consideration so
[1:52:08] defitely F the deputy Corporation
[1:52:11] Council
[1:52:13] line well I mean we still need
[1:52:17] c
[1:52:19] um me
[1:52:22] my suggestion to you if you're concerned
[1:52:25] about
[1:52:28] uh is perhaps add a uh you don't
[1:52:33] necessarily need a deputy if you're
[1:52:36] concerned about fulltime people you can
[1:52:39] consider adding um another full-time
[1:52:41] assistant Which is less expensive than a
[1:52:43] deputy that person would still be being
[1:52:46] trained over time just like uh we have
[1:52:50] someone who's
[1:52:53] going to be filling the full-time
[1:52:56] assistant so I mean that person's being
[1:52:58] trained over time if that's your
[1:53:03] concerned so go ahead pleas would it be
[1:53:06] so if we're not going to do if you're
[1:53:08] saying that the deputy this isn't
[1:53:10] necessary but would it and if going to
[1:53:12] hire an assistant Corporation counsel
[1:53:14] would it be better to hire someone that
[1:53:15] already had the skill set as opposed to
[1:53:18] someone who we you know have to bring in
[1:53:20] and train even though could we get
[1:53:22] someone at a I don't know what the cost
[1:53:24] would be me I can certainly look that up
[1:53:27] so we could have someone who had already
[1:53:28] had the skill set as an assistant as as
[1:53:31] opposed to someone you have to bring in
[1:53:32] a train well certainly the more you pay
[1:53:35] you're going to get someone with more
[1:53:37] experience um I was just making the
[1:53:40] suggestion because it's less expensive
[1:53:42] to hire an assistant as compared to a
[1:53:45] more experienced
[1:53:48] deputy just want to remind everybody too
[1:53:51] uh during the years Andrew col was here
[1:53:53] was he four or five years he was here
[1:53:55] yeah I was going to ask he only hired
[1:53:57] one guy five years he didn't he at least
[1:54:00] we have staff of people that you know
[1:54:02] now whereas previously last five years
[1:54:05] we only had one other
[1:54:08] guy he was only there for the last
[1:54:10] couple years too and if I'm not mistaken
[1:54:12] um any can help me with this for for
[1:54:15] many years we didn't have a deputy yeah
[1:54:18] you didn't have anybody yeah for many
[1:54:19] years I know I'm trying to recall this
[1:54:22] only happed like recently where this
[1:54:23] position was um funded over a couple
[1:54:26] years if you're con I mean if you're
[1:54:28] concerned about us being able to manage
[1:54:31] all the workload like the mayor had said
[1:54:34] earlier about use perum and sometimes
[1:54:37] outside Council you can consider just
[1:54:39] adding more to the perum line um because
[1:54:43] that's the line that like if we need
[1:54:46] another assistant another part-time
[1:54:49] assistant it's going to come out of that
[1:54:50] perum line um and a part-time assistant
[1:54:54] at 10 hours is
[1:54:56] $32,500 and the perum is only
[1:55:00] $55,000 so if you want to do a cost
[1:55:03] effective add to our department you can
[1:55:06] consider uh adding to that perum which
[1:55:09] will give us the ability to hire more
[1:55:11] part-time people which like we had
[1:55:13] talked about earlier you get more bang
[1:55:14] for your buck because you're getting
[1:55:16] people usually who have either retired
[1:55:18] or have their own practice that are
[1:55:21] experienced and they help they have a
[1:55:23] lot of experience in a particular area
[1:55:26] and so you get a lot of bang for your
[1:55:27] buck when you I have found um and other
[1:55:31] there are other
[1:55:33] um uh law Departments of municipalities
[1:55:37] that are also switching to this
[1:55:40] part-time uh model because it's easier
[1:55:43] to
[1:55:44] attract uh talent that way um and so my
[1:55:48] suggestion if this is your concern is
[1:55:51] perhaps to add some Mone into the per DM
[1:55:54] and we that will give us the ability to
[1:55:56] hire more part-time people who are uh
[1:56:01] experience and we do have a full-time
[1:56:03] assistant well he's not licensed yet but
[1:56:05] he licensed in uh January Assuming he's
[1:56:10] passed the bar exam which we are
[1:56:12] optimistic on so there is another
[1:56:14] full-time
[1:56:15] person um that will be trained and that
[1:56:18] will learn over time um from both my and
[1:56:23] all of our part-time people who are so
[1:56:25] skilled and experienced and um helpful
[1:56:29] with us where is that in the budget
[1:56:31] they're already there um that money is
[1:56:34] coming out of the assistant Corporation
[1:56:36] Council
[1:56:38] line
[1:56:39] he's CU he's going to
[1:56:42] well
[1:56:44] the HR adult with this the money is
[1:56:47] coming out of that line but that's not
[1:56:48] his
[1:56:49] title because he's not a lawyer yet yet
[1:56:53] but yeah so there is another full-time
[1:56:55] person that or another person that will
[1:56:57] be a lawyer full-time and will learn
[1:56:59] from all of
[1:57:01] us so just want to make sure I
[1:57:04] understand this so there's a person
[1:57:05] that's working
[1:57:06] full-time um they're not they haven't
[1:57:08] passed a Baro and then their their money
[1:57:12] is coming out of one of the assistant
[1:57:14] Corporation Council part
[1:57:16] timelines uh no money there's a
[1:57:18] full-time there's two full-time
[1:57:20] assistant lines I think
[1:57:22] so the money is coming out of one of
[1:57:24] those lines but that's not his title
[1:57:27] under civil service because he not
[1:57:28] licensed yet but yeah so he's going to
[1:57:32] have that line that you have in the Arca
[1:57:34] there's a blue line fulltime person so
[1:57:39] um we do have a full another person that
[1:57:41] will be full-time uh well him he's not
[1:57:45] licensed but uh if you're concerned
[1:57:48] adding to the prium would be very
[1:57:49] helpful
[1:57:54] thank
[1:57:57] you I was concerned that there you were
[1:58:00] the only full-time person there so this
[1:58:03] kind of um clarifies that thank
[1:58:15] you any other question on this on the
[1:58:18] vacancies on the vacancies
[1:58:23] [Music]
[1:58:25] the other one we can touch on is the is
[1:58:28] a letter from
[1:58:29] [Music]
[1:58:31] the with regards to the information I
[1:58:35] was
[1:58:42] asked he's very specific
[1:58:45] um with this
[1:58:48] um with his information here
[1:58:59] [Music]
[1:59:04] yeah so I did and they take away from
[1:59:07] this is that they looking to use this
[1:59:09] money to um to purchase
[1:59:13] equipment at some point in
[1:59:19] time go ahead please so um I did ask
[1:59:21] that question question regarding the
[1:59:23] asset for furance so they have like over
[1:59:26] about
[1:59:27] $228,000 in there and they also they
[1:59:30] list a number of things that they say
[1:59:32] they can use it for and one of those
[1:59:33] things is overtime satday so if they're
[1:59:36] concerned about the overtime we
[1:59:38] definitely don't want to reduce it but
[1:59:40] there is funding that is here that I um
[1:59:43] feel like we could if
[1:59:45] we're if we need to be able to um put
[1:59:48] some money towards that line there's
[1:59:49] just these assets that are there and I'm
[1:59:52] not sure according the time over which
[1:59:53] theyve collected them but according to
[1:59:56] this email that we got on February
[1:59:58] excuse me October 11th they do have
[2:00:03] $228,000 we we also have to be this I
[2:00:08] think the numers they had about
[2:00:09] $69,000 in the account for a long time
[2:00:13] and then in the last 6 months or
[2:00:16] so this balance of money has come in and
[2:00:19] there from 2014
[2:00:22] 13
[2:00:24] 133
[2:00:25] cases yes so the logic by which some of
[2:00:29] this money is disseminated from the
[2:00:31] federal government escapes
[2:00:33] me
[2:00:35] uh this the lower number they've gotten
[2:00:39] some bigger checks in from older
[2:00:42] cases I I understand all that it's just
[2:00:45] that right now we're looking money
[2:00:47] wherever we can get it and so if there's
[2:00:49] money that can be allocated to overtime
[2:00:51] to late some of the the amount of money
[2:00:54] on that line and not saying take all of
[2:00:56] it but I think they'll certainly I'm
[2:01:00] being told for overtime is without
[2:01:03] referencing specific numbers if we
[2:01:06] budget a million dollar a year for
[2:01:09] overtime give would take a little bit
[2:01:12] you can't then all of a sudden say
[2:01:14] you're only going to budget
[2:01:16] $750,000 for overtime and then use a
[2:01:18] quar million of this money you you could
[2:01:22] take where average has been a million
[2:01:24] dollar and then move it up to 1.2
[2:01:28] million but you can't create a scenario
[2:01:31] where you're supplanting and replacing
[2:01:34] existing budgeted money it's supposed to
[2:01:37] be done for enhancement or
[2:01:40] additional public safety features with
[2:01:43] policing so then let me ask this if in
[2:01:46] fact they um they go over on their
[2:01:48] overtime is there an opportunity to use
[2:01:50] this as opposed to use it from City
[2:01:52] budget or they this cannot be touched in
[2:01:54] any way regarding that if it if you
[2:01:57] budgeted a million dollars
[2:02:00] and we go
[2:02:02] over then there would be scenarios where
[2:02:05] it possibly could be
[2:02:07] used it's uh the
[2:02:11] uh two fires we
[2:02:14] had uh on the same day happened like the
[2:02:18] worst possible Day from a budget
[2:02:20] perspective
[2:02:22] that was the actual Columbus Day for the
[2:02:24] fire department so everything was double
[2:02:27] time and a
[2:02:29] half
[2:02:31] again that was not everybody was called
[2:02:34] in everybody did a great job doing it
[2:02:36] but from budgeting perspective I would
[2:02:40] have prefer it be a day before a day
[2:02:48] after cuz we generally go over on over
[2:02:52] on the over time
[2:03:00] budget there should be less pressure on
[2:03:03] it going into 25 because our staffing
[2:03:06] has come up where
[2:03:09] before some of it was
[2:03:11] to CU the numbers were
[2:03:15] down we were back filling Frontline
[2:03:18] positions at time and a half where now
[2:03:21] we'll be able to fill those front line
[2:03:22] positions with regular staff and there
[2:03:25] still will be 247
[2:03:29] operation need for overtime but I'm
[2:03:33] hopeful that there'll
[2:03:34] be uh less pressure on that going in 25
[2:03:38] so is the overtime budget larger this
[2:03:40] year than last year depends on which
[2:03:42] Ling at it's because there's P time
[2:03:45] there's investigative time there's
[2:03:48] Patrol I I think have and I'm glad you
[2:03:51] brought that up different um different
[2:03:53] lines because I noticed in the
[2:03:54] administrative line they've only used
[2:03:57] 50% um of the overtime is there like
[2:04:01] let's say they don't need all their they
[2:04:03] only get to 65% for the end of the year
[2:04:06] do is there can we move money out of the
[2:04:09] admin overtime line to other over time
[2:04:11] lines uh I believe Finance does that
[2:04:14] balance it out we do have end of the
[2:04:16] year try to make it
[2:04:18] so all
[2:04:20] the all the lines are zero you know be
[2:04:23] zero uh the AL the budget will be uh not
[2:04:28] at negative
[2:04:30] numbers number
[2:04:32] zero so the short answer is you would
[2:04:34] move from in investigation or whatre we
[2:04:37] need it for y all right y right thank
[2:04:40] you
[2:04:53] so we're limited of how we use this
[2:04:56] money I mean how we can ask them to use
[2:05:00] f how we can use it how we can ask them
[2:05:02] to use it very
[2:05:04] limited but can but we can also they
[2:05:07] could buy things could Can the police
[2:05:10] department buy things from this money
[2:05:12] and not charge it to a City
[2:05:15] Line if it is above and beyond what
[2:05:18] we've budgeted for okay has to be above
[2:05:21] and
[2:05:24] beyond okay thank
[2:05:29] you go ahe so is it farfetch the thing
[2:05:32] since they proposed a budget for the
[2:05:35] community out reach of $5,000 that we
[2:05:38] add $20,000 from this from the
[2:05:41] perspective of other prevention and
[2:05:43] awareness programs is there a component
[2:05:45] that we could use to capture for
[2:05:47] community
[2:05:48] outreach uh that would be a creative use
[2:05:52] that would probably be
[2:05:54] applicable yeah it can be used for
[2:05:56] caining an education it's hard because
[2:05:59] we budgeted the larger number prior
[2:06:04] years we dro
[2:06:07] the it helped us damn it doesn't help
[2:06:12] [Music]
[2:06:22] the P they have mentioned um you know to
[2:06:25] us that 're looking towards maybe
[2:06:27] possible spend this money to equipment
[2:06:30] to buy equipment clean house department
[2:06:33] so that's a that's a uh for um use to
[2:06:40] buy equipment that is not in the capital
[2:06:43] that we already funded for but something
[2:06:44] outside of that enhance the department
[2:06:48] capability practical side of is they're
[2:06:50] looking to buy it a c cap which is a
[2:06:53] heavily armored vehicle
[2:06:55] [Music]
[2:06:57] to deal with OST situation we have to
[2:07:01] breach uh security facility uh I have
[2:07:06] not signed off on
[2:07:07] that yeah that sounds
[2:07:11] intense we do use it on a periodic basis
[2:07:16] we have relationships with other
[2:07:18] agencies that have it and so they bring
[2:07:21] those units in here to work with the SC
[2:07:25] Police
[2:07:27] Department let's borrow there as long as
[2:07:32] we all right any other question on this
[2:07:36] yeah see done this
[2:07:40] um well we did talk about the loss
[2:07:43] Revenue everybody has a cop of this
[2:07:45] think is straight
[2:07:47] forward um this report that Anthony
[2:07:50] provided to us with the detail
[2:07:52] brief unless you have any question I
[2:07:55] just this done but I think this straight
[2:07:58] forward went details every
[2:08:01] department and the
[2:08:05] impact and then we did have the U also
[2:08:09] the the
[2:08:11] funds the outline of the the funds on
[2:08:14] the draw down from each of the the funds
[2:08:16] this report
[2:08:20] here um
[2:08:29] someone had asked for the
[2:08:32] um
[2:08:34] the races from the Department not races
[2:08:37] but they ask from the Department the
[2:08:39] management this was the report carries I provide you an updated one just now
[2:08:44] yeah we just got that so this is a
[2:08:46] report here someone that ask um it's off
[2:09:00] oh
[2:09:01] yeah yeah there were some that we I had
[2:09:05] asked you know previous budget we avoid
[2:09:08] mentioning names and not attaching this
[2:09:10] deal with the title
[2:09:31] any question on
[2:09:35] [Music]
[2:09:47] that so I do have a question go ahead
[2:09:50] are we considering
[2:09:51] there's uh
[2:09:53] several requests for um
[2:09:57] increases I only see that one was
[2:10:02] actually
[2:10:03] um considered and add to the budget so
[2:10:06] we looking at any of the
[2:10:13] others can you high with to the
[2:10:16] bud I see everyone everyone of them has
[2:10:20] Delta
[2:10:21] yep the Deputy Commissioner
[2:10:30] finance and there's others that add were
[2:10:33] added and I didn't see know that
[2:10:55] yeah what was the highest increase we
[2:10:56] had this year
[2:10:58] 4.25 some some
[2:11:01] level was it four or
[2:11:03] [Music]
[2:11:06] four last year yes when fact this year
[2:11:14] forward and across the board there is a
[2:11:17] 3% P for management correct
[2:11:23] any question on
[2:11:25] this that's my question and the first
[2:11:28] one the first um version of this that we
[2:11:31] got um the request for that position was
[2:11:35] 110 the updated version that you gave us
[2:11:38] was
[2:11:40] 120 was those are supplemental sheets
[2:11:44] what's in the actual
[2:11:47] budget so
[2:11:53] [Music]
[2:11:56] yeah I I brought it up to Anthony and it
[2:11:57] was shouldn't it shouldn't be there and
[2:12:01] that was a correction I made that's I
[2:12:04] requested an updated copy and that's why
[2:12:06] I brought this back to the
[2:12:09] council that column should not have been
[2:12:11] there that was a calculation they were
[2:12:13] doing and some other stuff I'm sorry
[2:12:16] I've lost you a little bit um on this
[2:12:18] sheet here we replacing this sheet with
[2:12:20] the previous she so I ask that you just
[2:12:22] continue looking at that sheet there
[2:12:24] were some columns and some cells that
[2:12:26] should not have been there it was more
[2:12:28] of a useful culation squ supposed to
[2:12:30] take it out but but are these um these
[2:12:33] salaries are not necessarily in this
[2:12:35] budget yes they are yeah they are the 3%
[2:12:38] yeah the 3% is
[2:12:40] it what do you see on this she the 3%
[2:12:42] cost what do you see on this she here
[2:12:44] it's in the budget the previous sheet
[2:12:46] was a working document that some column
[2:12:49] was not um
[2:12:53] problem should have been hidden or
[2:12:55] adjustment taken out it was working um
[2:12:58] it was working
[2:12:59] document so the 3% additional is in the
[2:13:03] budget y yeah except that middle col Yes
[2:13:06] except for this deputy corre and that
[2:13:09] one is the
[2:13:11] request no the deput is in in the budget
[2:13:14] that's the request yes not the
[2:13:17] 3% yes everybody else is the 3% corre so
[2:13:20] what do you see that the number you
[2:13:21] seeing here it's on the about M I say
[2:13:28] yes any question on
[2:13:31] this my question is why we're not
[2:13:33] considering other um other departments
[2:13:37] heads who would requested that and
[2:13:40] what's the rationale for that um that we
[2:13:44] considered one ask and not any of the
[2:13:49] others we heard from you know we heard
[2:13:51] from the um I don't think the building
[2:13:54] officer mentioned excuse me I don't
[2:13:56] think the um building inspector actually
[2:13:58] mentioned anything to us about his ask
[2:14:00] but we did hear from the director of
[2:14:03] development about the ask for herself
[2:14:06] and for a member of her
[2:14:09] staff principal plan the principal plan
[2:14:12] thank you
[2:14:22] [Music]
[2:14:26] oh commissioner is he in there already
[2:14:28] though let see I'm at 133 well that's
[2:14:31] okay 3% okay that's
[2:14:35] Wonderful's got 3% too oh so what are
[2:14:39] you saying you should get some do I mean
[2:14:41] say if you're going raise theirs raise
[2:14:45] my so that's you know we we you know we
[2:14:50] had have uh the the deputy clerk we have a lot we have the city clerk so
[2:14:56] we haven't considered any others in so
[2:14:59] how do we do that think that everyone's
[2:15:02] working hard
[2:15:21] any question go ahead please I said how
[2:15:23] do we consider increasing uh some some
[2:15:27] of the increases that were asked and if
[2:15:29] they're not then what is our reason why
[2:15:31] not I know saying does lots of work is
[2:15:35] probably not the best way to do it but
[2:15:38] if we look at um what the reasonable
[2:15:40] salaries are it say we did and did that
[2:15:42] happen did we look at the other salaries
[2:15:45] as you said that you did um with this
[2:15:48] position to compete with right position
[2:15:51] in New York
[2:16:04] state these were to ask the question
[2:16:06] that they gave us the mayor was said 3%
[2:16:10] I explain to the mayor why we needed
[2:16:13] hire money for that director uh and that
[2:16:17] was the case was to get a qualified
[2:16:20] person into the position like like you
[2:16:22] talk about get a good lawyer full time
[2:16:25] you're going need a good find person
[2:16:28] full time and you seen and it's in the
[2:16:30] paper actually was in the paper today
[2:16:32] about what Tom roer and Tom miss the
[2:16:35] city of TR going through trying to find
[2:16:38] commissioner finances or or controllers
[2:16:40] and or Finance people uh because uh you can't find it so that was the reason
[2:16:47] U for that every else got 3%
[2:16:52] I see that y including myself I see that
[2:16:57] yourself
[2:17:08] yes yeah so the qu so the question
[2:17:12] was around so looking at did we do the
[2:17:16] same due diligence for other department
[2:17:17] heads and like and this is New York
[2:17:19] state or the surround so
[2:17:25] like oh yeah I thought it said I thought
[2:17:27] it said New York state in there maybe I
[2:17:30] thought what to
[2:17:37] say question
[2:17:40] becor direct development where she
[2:17:42] brought that department from and all
[2:17:44] those things so um and she she said to
[2:17:47] us I'm going sure the meeting May that
[2:17:50] um I don't believe you were that she
[2:17:51] said that she had spoken with you and
[2:17:53] that you told her that if any request
[2:17:55] she should come to the council
[2:17:57] with she's Mis phrased my word choice
[2:18:01] and that my recommendation for salaries
[2:18:04] is in the
[2:18:17] budget any other question on this
[2:18:30] all right we move
[2:18:34] to there's one this report here a report
[2:18:37] this copy of report may I thank you
[2:18:41] report is very very helpful yes I would
[2:18:44] I you please U send this to us and I
[2:18:48] apologize it's been prepared
[2:18:51] uh been done before it uh went staffing
[2:18:56] issues putting together and it's been
[2:18:57] compared for the last couple months and
[2:19:00] had not been sent to the council so that
[2:19:02] you'll get that now on a monthly basis
[2:19:05] and probably would be a good idea to
[2:19:08] have uh Mr Hamilton and Mr Douglas come
[2:19:11] in and do a summary of what they're
[2:19:17] doing in terms of data
[2:19:19] collection and
[2:19:22] I try and encourage them every month is
[2:19:23] to expand that so if there's an area
[2:19:26] that the council would like to see some
[2:19:30] analysis done on uh don't hesitate to
[2:19:33] reach out or uh raise your concern or
[2:19:37] ideas
[2:19:39] on yes this report you got a time please
[2:19:42] go it you have not detail report for
[2:19:45] every single department and it shows you
[2:19:47] where they are in terms of the workload
[2:19:49] and the service they proving to the
[2:19:51] residents very
[2:19:57] we another report I know we did talk
[2:20:00] about it I asked for a copy of this it's
[2:20:03] the um it has to do with the STA
[2:20:06] department and the enforcement they're
[2:20:08] doing um you know I personally would
[2:20:11] have to commend them I know D and I talk
[2:20:13] about this to the work that they're
[2:20:16] doing in terms of
[2:20:18] um bringing people into compliance STS
[2:20:21] of garbage impr improper storage of
[2:20:24] garbage and to make sure that people not
[2:20:26] stor in garbage and leaving it for days
[2:20:28] out to pick up by our our Poli
[2:20:31] department or also put their garbage can
[2:20:33] in the front of the building and they're
[2:20:34] taking over littering the entire Street
[2:20:37] since this enforcement has been put out
[2:20:40] here for the last couple months I
[2:20:42] personally have seen a change in the
[2:20:44] pattern of
[2:20:46] peopleo also saw that so it's a good
[2:20:49] thing people said well it's about it's
[2:20:52] not a ref driven thing it's about how we
[2:20:54] address Nuance how we address quality of
[2:20:57] life I think this is one of the report
[2:20:59] of you should have a report to see that
[2:21:02] what these guys are
[2:21:03] doing U from the N Department it's so
[2:21:07] you know I have to come in and for
[2:21:11] that I don't I think I know everybody
[2:21:14] has a copy I did make a copy of it um if
[2:21:18] anybody else need a copy I can share it
[2:21:19] but that's
[2:21:21] I just want to address
[2:21:25] that I don't think I'm missing any other
[2:21:27] report um we had to some stuff from um
[2:21:31] unless when I stepped out but the um
[2:21:33] building permit Fe structure just that's
[2:21:36] that part
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[2:21:40] um I I TR recomend that we we have to do
[2:21:44] the public hearing is on and then we
[2:21:45] have to come back in for discussion so
[2:21:48] that will address at that point in time
[2:21:49] when we the public hearing is the next
[2:21:52] cycle
[2:21:53] 26 25th 28 28th yes and then we'll
[2:21:57] address it after
[2:22:00] that yeah other than that I don't have
[2:22:03] any other report unless you have
[2:22:05] anything else I'm missing any report we
[2:22:09] have the the actuals which is
[2:22:10] straightforward go through that
[2:22:12] every and the answer
[2:22:16] questions I don't have anything else
[2:22:24] wage fees was the only amendment yeah
[2:22:26] those were those going to address so
[2:22:28] that's notd for but I just shared our
[2:22:30] copy because it was during that time oh
[2:22:33] we had the um aging of accounts
[2:22:35] receivable as
[2:22:38] well this one did I print it
[2:22:41] out I think Tony gave it to
[2:22:45] us aging aging of accounts receivable
[2:22:48] and then I wrote police oh yeah because
[2:22:50] it's um the value of penalties the total
[2:23:00] paid we talked about it we talked about
[2:23:03] it because when when AC Whipple was here
[2:23:09] ENT um
[2:23:12] violation yeah we did talk about this so
[2:23:14] they kind of give us this report to show
[2:23:16] us U where to break down yes so we did great if we could collect all
[2:23:20] that money is basically that would be
[2:23:22] like fantastic I mean it is something
[2:23:25] that we we can ask them for an update in
[2:23:27] the next three months to see how we
[2:23:28] doing with the agency and collect the
[2:23:33] outstanding those
[2:23:35] outstanding it will be very helpful INE
[2:23:40] our I don't have any other reports
[2:23:43] anything else that you have in your
[2:23:44] folder that we didn't address can
[2:23:46] address it and then we um have anything
[2:23:50] El we need to
[2:23:51] address and then we'll we'll call for an
[2:23:54] executive session so for some
[2:23:58] points any other
[2:24:02] business we need call on motion to go
[2:24:04] into executive session so move all in
[2:24:09] favor take a break take off the and
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