my brother Vince had his knee done yeah
I got my knee done GE got to get his hip
done oh his hip yeah they say that's
pretty easy to cover yeah I know you
know saying that's they that kitchen
killed us oh absolutely you know my
brother worked for gold since
1977 cleaning it
cut seat Center
here 30
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yeah you're doing really well my brother
I
tonight T absolutely away my brother
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they we having a good time let's invite
them yeah what's what
today let's make it a short one today
take tomorrow take
tomorrow
I a short one today right your out there
F than that I don't have one of
those yeah we can make a shark max know
Max is coming in millions of dollars
thank you Max appreciate that got
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I'd like to call the conect city council
committee meeting for thday October
17th 17th more than half the month is on
we have one committee tonight turn toiss
for finance thank you madam president I
would like to call the finance committee
to ARA and we have a couple items held
over from today we have some new
um questions and
answers from
today and the first item we going into
is the ARA discussion question follow up
from um
yesterday they were some questions from
yesterday and we ask Miss Cara to be
here to help us navigate those uh those
questions
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so if we can first go to our um our ARA
allocation um
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sheets course sorry to put you on the sh
notice um you were hoping to get you
next Monday or CLE but you're going be
off so we have to
utilize the small amount of information
you may have for for us okay I'm ready
for you I'm ready there's no pressure
there no pressure If you don't have the
information you can always email it to
us
okay um the take away from yesterday is
that
um I know you and your your department
is aggressively going um
on so Poli these contract out to the
relevant agencies who was awarded on the
alpha funding there are some agency that
is still U you're working with them they
are still they're still trying to get
the documents in place and also try to
leverage the other funding from the
other agencies so there are a couple
agencies here that um we would like you
to kind of tell us if you have the
information as to where they are in
terms of the
their portion of the work and okay
and that would be the first one um
Habitat for Humanity Habitat for
Humanity 500,000 is allocated to the
ranking house um their project is due to
start March of 2025 for that house so
they have all of the other funding but
it's not going to be done be ready to
take so March here they have all the
fundings yes and you have all the
documentation regards to that yes so in
terms of signing a contract with them
they're already in contract we only have
one organization that is not in
contract which has been reported um to
the city council so we just have one
which is
Dory in Dory Foundation is the only subp
that is not a
contract what about BC and handon
like the $500,000 for bcn they are on
contract there was some issues with the
title on a city owned property not clean
title um but that do have a question
mark if they are going to be they had
some hiccups with some of their leverage
funding that they were going to use for
that entire
project these hicups will affect the
funding from our end
if you don't have the answer yeah I
don't have the answer on that I will say
that we asked for a spending plan from
bcni um I should have that by the 23rd
deadline is next week so I should have
that from dcni on their plans on how
they're going to spend this money down
by the
deadline I'm talking about bcni what
about the the $1 million the $1 million
myself as a department of development I
do have concerns with being able to
spend that down um in the time manner
because they do have other funding for
owner occupy reand from our
cdbg so that is$ million right now
they've only spent
down
$3,000 yes would be able to share those
from email to us
sure and the next one I think is the
Hamilton hill art
centor again we have requested the
spending plan for the Hamil Center they
don't have site yet so that is a concern
for the Department of development they
have not secured a site for this
project so all in all there bcni $1
million and the Hamilton Art Center 1 $2
million yes is of concerns yes and we
you have contracts for have that
$500,000 bcni
500,000 and $1
million yes they are
contract am I missing any other um
agencies please
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help where's
second the YW so
the Y
in Washington so they've spent 106
already of the 364 so what are their
plans we ask for a spending plan for
them to their project they are still for
their Harbor House project they did come
to city council and ask for some of
those for the capital project to be
moved to the Harper house which was
approved by resolution but there are
funding um issues they're still lining
up all their funding to move forward
with the har
what's the latest with the Electric City
Food Coop they went into contract just
two and a half weeks ago so they we
received only pre-contractual documents
and they are in contract and prepared to
start spending down as soon as possible
as well
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did you already talk about Carver before
I came into the room the Carver no no no
anything on offer
please so Carver is not in contract
okay into the budget was came out of us
we resend it essentially their funds
were put back into the budget so
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go Ahad so am I correcting U these
monies just have to be allocated by
December 31st but spent by December 31st
of
20252 a construction project they needed
to have sight they needed to have sight
by the end of this year
construction we cannot make
changes
in5 that is not clear Trey guidelines
are I believe the city the municipality
has some
flexibility it's not just allocated the
council can allocate something we have
to be under
contract with it by the December 31st is
that
correct that's
but also is that like she said if you're
construction you got to have S command
you got to have like that um we we can't
go under contract if so he doesn't
have correct as part of the
pre-contractual documents that are
required so who the that effect on this
list she just BC right
everybody they're all in contract just D
is not in contract and they're not
construction so they're working on
getting they have about 85% of the pre
contractual documents we're just waiting
on a few items there what the lower
policy you know minor
things did you say b a million dollars
was a concern just if they're going to
be able to spend a million in the time
frame that is allowed for ARA is a
concern because they also have other
we've allocated other funding to them
and they're slow with spending it down
which is why we act for spending
plan and so far Hilton Art Center is the
one that does not
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have is that the infill development
project or the 1 million to bcni oh
that's that was I was going to ask what what was the second bcni project
okay gotcha it's
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right have that
sheet oh sorry I missed the sheet
sorry focused on the other
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sheets go ahead please Carver is there a
deadline for when you requested to have
those spin back just we can still action
oober
I'm sorry October October
23rd to have all the documents in to
have a spending plan so that I'll be
able to present that to Finance on where
they are when spending down the money
not to have all documents Mr
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M we we have all of the documents if
they're in contract we've collected
everything that they needed according to
what we set forth for the
pre-contractual requirements so we have
those documents on F
go ahead please um gr Park we only spend
18,000
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correct that is correct and the park
allocation on councilwoman is more
engineering has
been
for City
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and we do have a couple of organizations
that are slow spending but they are
aware that they are slow and the team is
constantly reminding of the deadline and
they need to spend it down for the most
part our our our deadline to possibly
Rec coup those funds is sooner than AR
deadline right we're communica to them
that if by this date you don't have that
or maybe not by a spefic specific dat
but if things AR moving in in
a at a good Pace then there you know we
might have to recuit those funds I I've
sent down notification saying that you
know for example to be cni that the
funds are at risk
captured so would it will not be a
surprise but I use that as leverage to
get the spending plan sure from the
organizations go ahead please and I I
the this came up the other night at our
meeting um you actually asked for
reports on a regular basis from the
folks right yes that's what I thought
yes we're the team is working what I
sent an email out to say that we just
Clos out the fiscal year so reports were
due to the Department of development on
the 15th so we have a couple of
stragglers so versus sending numerous
emails with the report we're just kind
of waiting for the stragglers to submit
so I can send you that final report for
the fiscal year versus every single
quarter for every single sub because the
report is cumulative so when you look at
the last report for the year you're
going to be able to see everything that
they spent their accomplishments the
demographics that they Ser with the
funding and they list out the challenges
that they may have experienced spending
down the
funding are there any other question
please I guess just because I've never
been a part of this scenario but should
we recoup funds after we theoretically
already passed the budget how does that
process proceed
wel can I ask a question what time frame
if the spending plan date that I've
given of October 23rd does that work to
give the information so that then you
can make a decision based on a plan that
the sub
provide at this
point it's what we
have that's a good question well I think
that you were mentioning that you were
hoping that we were actually going to
finish our work this week yeah and so we
kind of
need cross well no I mean I think that
um that was what I Mr mudar has said
that a few times but um I'm certainly
hoping that we're going to finish our
work by November 1st this year but um it
seems to have been going smoothly enough
that I was kind of hoping that we might
be able I was on the same page as Mr bu
and hoping that we could try to do it
this week but I
was
what these are these a good a good
question that you ask but I my
understanding was that the the AR
wouldn't necessarily be for this budget
if anything brought back would just be
used in house because now it exists here
and I think we probably have enough
projects to be able to spend it on so my
understanding was not we were trying to
get it to do anything with this budget
but that we would be able to have it in
our you know because if the city has in
you know in our fund then we still have
two years spending on projects that was
my understanding that we this wasn't
necessarily to balance this budget
because this well this budget's already
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balanced correct that would be my
position
also in some of those
you know their organizations have good
intent and it may be that uh I'll use
bcni or habitat hypothetically without
referencing them specifically they have
mapped
out broader
scenarios it might be that habitat can't
do all the houses or bcni so they might
be able to do one or two so it might be
submitted to councils not take all the
money back but take a portion back that
they're not going to be able to use and
then to look for some other criteria
ccil president's pointed out that would
uh be a project within the city that we
could do meeting the criteria
implemented within the
timeline be also sorry bear in mind also
we do fund these agency through cdbg so
it's not like a loss they always can
funding is all always there for them to
tap into regardless of ARA is going to
be available through
cdbg just because we use bcni as example
I wanted to chime it I think um I
said we we hold some of the
responsibilities or not we didn't go
forth with um closing of those
properties the titles weren't clear so
that's part of the hold up why they
couldn't move forward with the project
as well so I think that should be taken
into consideration we think if we're
going to recapture the part that we
played as a city too because those
projects were dedicated that money
funding in the resolution is dedicated
to be used for certain city owned
properties we laid that out in a
resolution I was I was just kind of to
your point around like agencies that
we've been um historically funded I also
what want those agencies to presume that
we would continue to um fund them
because of s we've done it through the
community block grant money I think just
one thing that I think is important is
that we look at you know a more continue
to work towards a more Equitable
resource allocation plan and I think so
sometimes some of those uh agencies that
we have funded for historically over a
period of time can grow almost dependent
on that and that's not really a
sustainable model it's just that they
should be made
aware so so really the only four that we
need to I mean the only four that are
part of this 2025 budget
then are well there were there were four
that the finance department recommended
that we take the money back and that is
the Carver the Riverside Park the
sidewalk program and the Empowerment
Center so really it's wonderful I would
you know we all wanted to see you here
tonight because we had questions but in
terms of our you know finishing our
budget negotiations um we can we have
time in other words to think about the
rest of these ARA projects besides those
four is what I'm hearing if we can't use
this money um except for those four
projects then we can kind of table this
correct cor I just wanted to make sure I
was understanding you guys saying that's
what a thinking thinking is about here
because um there's certain speculation
but like say for example if we have the
full funding from bcna and sorry to use
the name not nothing against you
BC would they qualify for CBG funding
for this specific project under this $1
million or
home funding okay which they get get
funding but they never they never the
amount that arpa gave is much larger
than you know annual allocation would
give them to the arpa funding allows
them more cap more funding to do more
bigger projects than what they would be
able to do with our annual allocation go
ahead please and and in addition to that
you said that we've played a role in it
them doing that and just we need to
think about what bcni does and how they
you know provide affordable housing and
all of that so if if if they they hold
up with us and they're still able to
complete their project within a couple
years um I don't know that to me taking
their money back does not would not
benefit them it would benefit residents
of the city hous that's a you know
housing crisis is one of the things that
we are facing for people in certain
income categories so well I I don't
think you want to take back but if
they're if they're not coming up or
stepping up to par to provide whatever
is needed then we don't want to lose
that funding I mean our well it's not
our fa but we we don't want to be in the
same Bo of losing it by trying to work
with them all the way to the end of 31st
of December and it dropped right there
and we lost it that's not what she said
that she I'm just making a statement I
know but I'm just making you know
speaking out loud and we don't want that
to to ever happen I think the infi
project will happen the one that I had
the concern was was the million dollars
on occupy rehab funding there was
changes in leadership one there there
was some capacity changes and they have
other funding that we've given them that
they haven't spent down yet so that's
why the million is a concern for me
because the other funding is still on
the table they're currently right now
requesting extensions on cdbg funding so
that's why the
million for the record that's why it's a
concern because we have other funding
that all to them that they have
struggled with spinning down yeah and
exactly that's the one I'm talking about
the other $500,000 is pretty much a done
They just got to process all milon it's
a million
dollar and go ahead I couldn't uh
remember when I know that um we've given
extensions to the Carver project but I
actually thought that the last extension
expired on September 30th but I haven't
been able to get answer about that I
don't think that we gave well the Carver
because the co-op came on we never
presented give give them a gave them a
time I thought that we had a contingency
on the funding that they had to raise
never we never reallocate the money we we made an amendment they they
brought back the property to us can we
send the property back to us call up and
quick for yes no car car Community
yes oh the
they never came back to us with their um
their plan and then we never moveed
forward to reallocate the money to them
so that money was there in back into
our without being realita
to I don't understand what your point is
um I thought that we had a contingency
on that money and I thought that thaty a
long time that was that was with
car previous organization but not with
the court the previous organizations
didn't meet the criteria so the money
came back into the City and the new uh form organization we we never
reallocated that money to them okay so
worry about that so that was sitting
there and the gotcha I am I I understand
now I don't know why I thought we
still we had them here and we had
conversations with them and we implied
that that money was available to that
particular group but as they were
supposed to they were supposed to come
back to us they supposed to come back
and provide a list of things that I
don't know how much was ever since but
that never just came didn't come back to
the council gotcha and it's very
unfortunate because project that you
know would have been very beneficial but
we now we're at this point
I look at the face no I just I think
it's more question and answer yeah yeah
this is developing into more questions
and answer yeah all right any other
question from
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Miss see none thank you so much time
app you going to email that
um talk to us yes remind
me I'm just
Jing I'm just joking
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I so we have we have some work to do on
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the serious
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work um we had some items from last
evening that we asked for you to BR okay
do you want to go through that and then
I will
talk can can you go to your list from
yesterday
please what can you go through your list
from yesterday what do you mean
my okay uh yes you ask me to bring
back uh that $10,000 donation was yes
sir I got that pass
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out and what happened was that the
10,000 did come in and it went right
into the code a31
2402b
so so what they did is you can see I try
to dark line it where the where the
credit came in they credited the the
expenditure side of it so uh they really
spent
$133,000 because that what they did is
that by putting the credit into that
expenditure account it raised the
balance by $10 more and the reason why
that the chief wanted to do that is
because he wanted to use that money
directly he didn't want us to put a
revenue and like not increase the budget
you know what I mean so it was for him
his way to like make sure that he got it
into that
budget you guys see that yes uh another
thing you asked for was the copy of so
far what we have for
changes is you guys requested
yes so I have changes on the general
fund revenues and expenses the second
page is uh capital projects changes and
the third is water fund with
the revenue that
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so you want to talk about those first
the
changes yes go ahead okay so the first
very first one is uh what we did the
very first day was to move $5,000 from
the depy registar into the uh City Court
salary so what we what we're doing we
subtracted the 5,000 from um the deputy
registar salary brought up to 47 ,000
added it to the city clerk salary and
she went from 83 to
88 then the S we took that out because
uh that's where we had the stien for
5,000 plus 3,000 so we took the 5,000
out of there we reduced the appropriate
fund balance by that 5,000 and so
there's 3,000 left for the city clerk
right the second one is the city City
Senior Center Program uh you ask not to
use the police overtime so what we did
is we increased the senior program by
60,000 and we're reducing the
contingency by the
60,000 so there's no change in the
budget at all uh we had a MOA for
autograde for uh uh one of the record
access courts in in law depart for csca
uh that the sea demanded that we put in
the budget and so until until there's
actual actual U negotiations complete
we'll be doing it we'll put it out of
grade until uh until the contract is
complete and again we're using uh taking
that out of judgment and claims uh
because as reference with the uh water
department uh the last one was the
20,000 for Public Safety Foundation you
wanted to put the 20,000 back in so we
went from 5 to 25,000 and again we're
taking another 20 out of uh so there is
no uh budget changes the proposed
changes is equal 5,000 in the revenue
side and 5,000 on the uh expense side so
it's
equal uh the second phas is capital
funding um we're moving uh Utilities in
it we taking to 200,000 uh and uh we're
as we're taking 140,000 out of 200an say
the servers are okay as you remember you
said and the 60,000 is to upgrade all
the computers as Mr van asked thank you
for it's a reduction of 140,000 under
golf that's a reduction of 140,000
yes
uh so we're going from 200,000 to 60,000
for utilities yes because the the theet
said that the servers were good and then
Mr you actually purchased them this year
oh got yeah and Mr wanted him to update
all the computers instead of waiting so he requested originally and the
budget was 200,000 again but he said
we're go with that and so he he only
needed the 60,000 for the
upgrades okay okay so that just reduced
Capital yeah got it go
ahead wrong the mayor or um B said that
if they purchased the computers they
wouldn't potentially be able to get to
all next
year not in a couple months but they will they will work on them in into
until next year make sure that they get
it done for the 12 month duration but
not like two or three months to get all
done it will take
time thank you okay uh we're going to
the golf course this is all other
Capital reserves sweeper originally uh
Mr W was yeah 15,000 but it was actually
45,000 so we had to increase that by
30,000
but again the grass mow which he had
budgeted for 150,000 is actually only
50,000 so we're subtracting the 100,000
out of that and the utility C which he
had is 18,000 it's actually
23,000 so we're adding 5,000 on that uh
and then uh uh the Water Department as
we mentioned we're adding water
infrastructure for the CR Main Street
for a million dollar and we're
decreasing a million dollar for the bar
streen design the swore by million
dollar so total capital u total Capital
funds are going down by
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$25,000 next one is uh third third one
stage is water fund U the water rental
we're making a change from
5,000 revenues they decreasing that by
5,000 so new budget will be zero and so
we're taking that 5,000 out of light p
and gas from from 9 9
5,500 to
98,500 that way we don't have to deal
with appropriate fun balance or anything
so makes it makes it a c
sweet so those are those are the changes
so far I mean nothing is uh
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guarante thank thank you for for pushing
these ches for
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providing what our contingency
today B chance you have
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your it yes you have you have
your here I'll let
you we are currently
199y um this is uh for period of end of
September 24$
33156 I'm sorry could you say that more
slowly please
3316 thank
you that's what we
SP and we're bringing this down to
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220,000 no
fires Marina was going to teach people
not have
fires have a fire just having ins
right like said if you got to cut
something we got to take away in one we
got to take away
something if you want something you got
to take away from some else to me that
seems one what I heard any other
departments any question on on these um
changes as of
now any other there were
more from last
evening the salary list did you want to
do the salary
list I have I thought see I didn't make
a lot of notes last night those I was
looking at I saw you notes I think that
was all the gas that was
all what was the Sal list we're talking
about
gave that last night yeah you did that
last
night anyone has question on the salary
list I think yeah I was going to touch
in your um your questions now if nobody
else has anything we'll just go straight
into
your in your documents today there is a
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page set a document reive today we have
a page here a list of
um
questions that you're talking about yes
we that yesterday unless there was
anything we can address we'll address
them okay and then the papers that we
got today they were some questions and
it I did print the question and attach
it to the back
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up so should we take a minute to read
through the paperwork yes go ahead we
just started go ahead then we'll go
through each of the U the
questions we didn't get chance to answer
all of them we get
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can you make a copy for
the
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please this is just a question there's
no answer right yeah no I think if you
look at some of the backups here there
were like to U Got answer the rest we'll
just go through them
maybe can address them or we'll
just if not we'll just have to wait so
we'll just go through them all right
yeah we'll go through them whatever can
answer today we'll answer if not we'll
have to RIS it tomorrow
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Wonder
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if you turn to the same package that we
received today there's a question
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so under revenue and it's I think it's a
2130
F excessive
um W collection fee so we we have a
revenue in it against that but
um
21 2130 21
130 so you will see that there's a
$500,000
there so aside for that Revenue
L what page was that in R page
Revenue
page two almost to the bottom a 213 have
oh I got
it so committee people set up and um and
review this over time um we need to act
on it to move forward with to because
it's there in budget so next Monday you
will see an agenda item for us to
discuss and move forward with um with
this um program in terms of the Fe
structure for um for this um
line just a 213f the rest of we
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are we getting a policy or any documents
or presentation yes there will be
documents will be in the package for
tomorrow and presentation may just want
to any discussions with that
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apprciate I know your part you want to
stand about
it some of
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us was going to ask and we've decided or
yes I I think the the the team decided
to move forward with it on this point
time and they can do a presentation on
Monday and so call for a public hearing
on the proposed
uh I've kind of heard what you've heard
which um I don't think we as far as I
was in about there was nothing
definitely put forward um I've heard
what Mr lefant had to say at the meeting
here I haven't been to one of the
neighborhood meetings where he's for
present um looking forward to the
presentation um there were multiple
things that we discussed a lot of
different no I just want I just want to
brief you on that because more more will
be discussed Monday at the uh committee
meeting but I just want to that' because
um we have it in Revenue but we need to
activate to to review it to make amend
as possible how much we can and to um
call for the public hearing and move
forward so that we can adopt this until
next year because it's in the
budget so does that hold up the approval
of the budget until we have the public
hearing
no but we just you know putting
everything in line to make it happen
it's the C it's on a council allow to
act on it do we move forward what is
recommended do we make changes it's up
to us and us as a council we've really
done
nothing well I would't say that so
low I say that so L because the
committee was fored there was no
recommendation from the committee to us
until we um Anthony I been discussing it
in terms of Revenue in terms of all
these things we need to put them in
place it's not in place what do we need
to do we need to act and that's how this
is coming forward so I think um it's not
a blame game it's about some everybody
has thing to do and um the committee
worked really hard we have to give them
credit we did and we now have to do our work so like we clean it
up and move forward with
in so Mr if it's already in the budget
and this is not going to impact this
budget so where is the 500 is that
coming out of the fund balance right now
what's how it's reflect in the budget I
propose these changes would go forward
to create a revenue stream that would
equal
$500,000 so right now but you just said
that it wasn't in the budget so right
now it's in the budget the budget is
balanced so where is it where you
presented it coming from at this moment
it's balanced with an anticipation the
way it comes antip yes we going to adopt
this change and move forward so the
finance because we are in a finance
committee meeting we can't um because we
have to have a public hearing about
these changes we can't just okay so
that's a timing that's a timing so we
need to get this done before for of
January I don't see how can we vote on
the budget I guess I'm not really
understanding how we can vote on this
budget these figures we talked about it
as it moveed forward we now looking to
move it
forward proposal that making changes in
the code would generate
$500,000 in revenues to go after those
individuals that drive up the cost and
increase our expenses
if the council chose not to move forward
in that I am very confident that I can
generate $500,000 in Revenue with the
current code it'll it'll require okay
some reallocation of police uh use the
snap Cruise other ones but nobody's
garbage is in compliance so we'll do is
we would site every house for
$50 because the code is just out of date
and it has not been changed and
very easy to generate half million doll
this would affect the budget because
look at the police fees look at code Enforcement we budgeted for
anticipated fee increase and revenue
from various Department that will get
implemented next year so we are just
projecting ahead that this is going to
happen next year so this is one of them
okay unfortunately it's it's a little
late but it's not too late for us to
review and make our recommendation and
follow because we need to adopt
it and and not you know I know we're in
finance but I think it's very important
and imperative that we do this again as
the mayor States our code is so outdated
um it's in our code that that no bu
guids are in there we all know we throw
bulk items out so
to to generate the $500,000 I think is
feasible for this year's coming budget
I'm just saying from my perspective it's
presumptuous to assume that it's going
to continue through with no additional
hitches as we've already received an
email from an individual speaking to how
it's going to be implemented so I can
understand the uh practicality and I
appreciate the additional reassurances
that regardless of how this proceeds the
May was confident that he'll be able to
recoup those funds which I think is a
reassurance at least for me but duting
with the STS to work that the committee
has been doing there's an important
segment that still needs to be done
which is hearing from the community and
also we haven't talked about again the
email we received and how this is going
to impact those individuals on the
ground so the what would come forward
Monday is a series of proposals still
the discretion of the city council to
modify those in a number of ways and
again the goal is to some efficiency
into the system and cover our current
operating
cost the O commissioner um will be will
be at Monday's meeting to present this
and you know we are sure to ask
questions and so make
changes yeah would we just be able to
add that to projected revenue for this
budget though it's already it's in there that's why it's like all the other agency like us police
increase the code enforcement fee
increase is already in there we just
going through the process of calling the
public hearing getting it done and
adopting that resolution or ordinance
and just okay do the pr portion of it
and let people know that these things
are out there and U defective things
right what we're saying is that whether
this moves forward or not out of that
same department will be able to recoup
the money based on the way things are
existing right now if there were no
changes
that's yes it will be as Z impa
regardless yeah but if if we implemented
this and it's
sucessful puts a lot of pressure on the
city council to make quick
changes literally every house is going
to get sighted so yes everybody is not
in compliance with regards to city code
in terms of do we want to do that no so
let's ask and you know bring bring some
things into in line yeah I'm totally
fine with this the pr segment is going
to be out there to kind of notify people
of these um
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changes so we'll have more I just want
to bring that up to the council because
it's part of the budget and as to you
know not mention it because as I
promised um last year budget is to look
at all the fees and that's what I'm
doing working with department head
working with Finance working with the
man to make sure that we bring all these
Fe in line with today's um service the
cost of
service and know those are all the
components unfortunately I wasn't on
that committee but um you know as the
finance chair I have to drive it to make
sure that we we do not have hold in the
budget and I'm sure that we're not going
to uh Le use this as a process to
leverage action from the city council
I'm sure that the mayor is not saying
that
okay
ni so
no that's nice all right well we'll have
more detail on that next Monday let's go
through um the question you should have
a shate Mr Williams um questions so
we'll um we'll just go through each one
and um if Mr Ferrari can answer if not
far and come back tomorrow and and get
the answer um for Mr Williams
tomorrow um the first one is um a
8686 director of
development 10% increase 24
Sal um 10% increase with increase your
salary from the May's proposed budget of
88,000 to 93,000
991
93,9
991 and just a reminder let let's um
avoid any name attached to this let's
deal with the um the
position the next one is um a 8686
zoning officer zoning officer at the
mayor's proposed 2025 budget is uh at
proposed salary at
66,800
U and with the
657 it would go to
67,500 oh that's already written here
y the next is a 8687 homes coordinator under the mayor's
proposed budget his salary would be $
69,8
21 with the proposed for Mr Williams
$179 to
7,000 that's even
yeah again I think on this sheet that
you
just and then the next one is a410 City
Park C cler under the mayor's proposed
budget is
$83,200 with 10 % increase it would go
to
88,89 plus the
$5,000 register would come to
93,94
938
93892 thank
you and then the next question is the
commissioner Finance recommend um may
your discretionary fund to address
future qualify applicant Deputy
Commissioner Finance additional
15% I thought that that was just the way
in which it was presented if we're
trying to just have an adjustable means
to respond to candidates the way it's
been presented previously was that would
be an appropriate
use I didn't think I put
anything what's this yeah I had a
question on that and
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15,000,000
that's that's not for a salary that's
for discretion for his travel the keys
to the city all the other stuff so
commissioner isn't that what we had to
call it for for
discretionary AR we had the AR we took
it out put it out last year for for
salaries so when I looked at it 10,000 I
thought that was
it yes so there's
no
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15,000,000
take it
out 95
958 49 4958 page of 18 in the
book as you recall what happened tried
to use it uh The Corporation Council T
he can only use for his
own St own Bureau and not for others so
that's why we moved it into
undistributed so we can move it for
other people and then they we just took
it away we just Tak zero yeah it's why
some people AR employed by the city
but if I can recall our conversations
last year funds no everybody works for
this let's let's not do that yeah sorry
I thought let's let's um let's stay Focus go ahead please um
Mr if I can recall from last year I I
can remember that conversation but I
thought we switched our Focus to saying
that the mayor could use that
discretionary fund line to achieve those
same needs yes that's why it was move to
this I remember I
was
away oh it's still
funed no the discretionary fund is so
that discre is not for there's
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no $1,000 in this year's budget but
mostly mostly that
10,000 pla things for the city the
proclamations all stuff that's
what and there was 13,000
in expense in 2023 yeah it was it was
yeah was never able to I mean
discretion well I will say reimbursed on
something there
so had to try to use that it didn't work
out individual
I yeah what is your take CS would like to
see what
15% or
something are some funding there yeah I
totally got of that because I I looked
at the the M discretionary M
discretionary and that's
$10,000 there still for that great and I
say of the uses that are primarily used
from Mr Ferrari that
sign be 8 121 450 so I think with it
being entitled discretionary I don't
think we need to ask for an assessment
of what's using those funds but again
from last year I thought an appropriate
use was in these instances similar to
one that we're discussing right now with
adjusting line so that's why I
recommended it so so can I just ask
question so are you saying that in your
email today are you recommending that
the mayor's discretionary fund is used
to increase the of the commissioner
Finance because that's the way I'm
reading this in your email we're having
this discussion because there is a
potential that it is not going to be
inappropriate uh the salary will not be
enough to entice people to apply to that
line I get we're not even in that
situation yet so my response is if we
are then in that position using an
already allocated fund the discretionary
fund to fill that
cap so we would take we would take 314
from the 10,000 and leave the rest of it
for the mayor's discretionary fund is
what you're recommending I'm just trying
to clarify yeah no which would be less
than what's currently allocated to that
line so
yes if we needed it except that what
would we do to make up the rest of the
expense like I'm saying last year
$113,000 was spent on that line in as
the mayor's discretionary fund so we
would we would just have to figure out
where would the rest of discretionary
funds come if we were to use
discretionary funding to increase the
salary of the commissioner Finance I
just want to clarify just but again we
don't know if we'll need it so again
we're talking about a
hypothetical and then also the mayor's
discretionary fund is year year to
year are you could no I'm not confused
at all I just want to ask the question
what's it been used on has it did you
use some of this was some of the
discretionary For Hire or was it all for
number um I want to know how so is it
all for um
giving out keys to the city and those
kind of things cor none of it was used
for salaries none of it was used to
entice someone else
to and most times if that situation
occurs a position is vacant for a period
of time so the council I use $10,000 as
an
example if well use 12,000 it's easier
for the
math if
uh the position is
open council's authorized
$112,000 I haven't been able to hire
somebody for two months I can actually
pay them on an annual rate of
$4,000 for the remainder of the year and
then where that has occurred then I
would come back to the council in the
next budget and say we've hired so and
so we had to pay a little bit more for
it and make make the budget in the next
year reflect what the actual salary
is what's going I'm
sorry that's the uh take back
the that's right okay they didn't get a
noise perm
though come
on
so what what was it take away at this
I'm just trying to get a number towards
this line so we're looking like to 50 oh
there is no discretionary line at this
point in
time sounds like it sounds like the
council already has the prerogative and
the mayor already has the ability to
authorize that additional and it's a new
Point there's all there most of the time
there funding available in is L that now
said they shift like or I come back to
the city council and say I've got to
hire somebody and I
need 10,000
bucks
mhm we have done that in the past many
times budget re
appropriation and the line was not
technically overspent last year that
was
uh Jamaican power system asked me to go
to Jamaica as part of the Smart City
conference
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and I paid for it from the city and then
they reimbursed the city for that
expense so it looks like we overspent
the line but in fact there's more
Revenue coming in to offset those
expenses that happed in past years where
myself and John kucho N National
Institute is technology was a routine
speaker at some of their
events they would pay my expens to
go despite all of that I mean what is
the do we want to put back down I'll put
back for you want to put $15,000 to the
plan $20,000 to the plan and half day
available to the man you mean the
recruitment line not the discretionary
yeah and that would be yes the May
recruitment f
table because the question asked I'm
okay not adding that back in again I
don't think we need to do anything
okay so you suggesting leing the salary
with just a 3% and then when somebody
else is higher than a comes back to
it yes it's going to be
clear so that's the
commiss the next one is um a 2120
-200 and
203 one more time
8312 oh that's for
uh uh Alliance the
police
831 uh that's for receiving the grants
yeah yes so you should have you should
have a document a answer to that
question back up Mr skipped over the
deputy position
at the bottom did I
yes sorry let's go back up sorry okay
Deputy Commissioner
Finance additional
15% okay the mayor's uh proposed budget
was
120,000 and at 15% of the 24 salary come
to
92,000 Ethan
I
correct um so so then I know you've
talked about a lot someone just going to
say that loud so when then when you
retire the assumption would be that the
current Deputy would move up and would
they come in at that
salary since I know that when we hire
people that are you know aren't
employees that they may come in a lower
salary but if it's an existing employee
would you bring them in the same salary
as the employee that's leaving and
haven't been in that
department don't have a position on that
it's when the situation actually
occurs evaluate it take it
appropriate should you're not going be
able to get anybody at a
133,000 the truth
you're
not well again but for the Deputy
Commissioner I mean I guess I would say
that we're not going to get anybody for
824 or 92 I don't know but I'm just
saying um is that what you're saying yes
that's that's why we propose that
have because you know you know being the
commissioner Director of Finance is not
it's a very difficult job you know and
uh I you trade together for a while but
he does need a backup it's somebody
who's who's capable capable of helping
him and call forward
too so Mr Williams's um suggestion is
sort of in the
middle of those two
figures I would say the minimum for
Deputy Commissioner has to be at least
100,000
sorry sorry who Mar oh
Mar 120,000 is what we've thought 100 I
think the minimum you could go for
100,000 I'm just going to get something
experience is D in this room
yes we got send
D all right I would say hearing that we
were able to readjust the money that was
originally appropriated to the Deputy
Commissioner Finance I I would be an
agreement with that say that say that
again $100,000 so if the original ask
was for an additional 32,000 37,000 if
we can take into consideration all of
the management raises these risk
recommendations if it was still able to
be captured without any additional
movement within the budget I would be
responsive to the $100,000 that the
commissioner just
is somebody making notes on on that side
there so so we're looking at in the dep
commiss of Finance going from0 to
100 that is what suggested right on the
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table
discussed we now have 824 92 or 100 yeah
all right the next one is a
a320-200 and
203 and that's the
P there is an email
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from keep track of
this so this is the answer
to a
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31223 it's
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response or you need anything additional
to
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this okay the next one is A3
31-100 is it 100 um correct no that's
not correct should be 200 200 I saw the
emails
back yes yes so you should have you
should have an email from also all that
just for
that is that a Brian
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Canon find his response to that ion this
is um a
5132 go ahead please so I was going to
say it wasn't a mistake during the
conversation discussion about the future
so our upcoming budget year and how one
of the positions was designated this
year as ARA funding and the conversation
was how do you propose funding this line
in the future to which the respon is
potential EV funding streams so my
question simply was is there any ability
for us to try and capture that funding
for this year's budget to offset that
line the answer was no but it was not a
mistake on my oh sorry yeah yeah I
remember you asked that question and yes
that question was asked yes sorry
yeah so may going forward in terms of
funding revenue from the target station
is that something in the future
oh the some of the charging stations we
have to provide free
electricity other ones we're charging
for but really it's at the level to
cover our expenses for so it's not going
to be this point a big Revenue
Source yeah and I remember Brian did say
that now the the DC charges station
that's looking to put in
on
yri those had the potential generating
positive
Revenue the reality is the lead time for
that
is like 9 months so you're not going to
see that installs those are half no
installations
34 of the way through next
year
that's budget money based that that is a note for
budet
okay that
yes the next one is a
5132
d460 you know prob did not give answer
back but he did call me and he asked me
just you know what they mean by that
exactly what it says he says that you
know as of right now because our cars
are so new you know they're warranted
Tak to the a warranty the dealership for
a warranty but he say you know they're
very considerate doing this because as
we are gaining more cars as we want to
give staff to uh train we can't train
them he says CU nobody in our staff
knows about it send them you know one at
a time to training you look at it's
going probably be within the future he
not that for
2025 it was a very good
question just do you know where that
train where locally do that training I I
think I think uh just like how the uh
the dealerships their guys get trained I
think there's places where we would hon
Valley has some training in that area
it's an emerging market so I don't know
to what
degree Poli exp
for that's sending people there we have
Professor something come here
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okay
7310 you have a question
no yeah a 73 10-
41A requesting local
business allowed to apply with the with
the youth employment
opportunity that's a youth program
allocation I think it's a good idea
forar will be first in line I think it's
a good idea too we
can the question I think is broadly
discusses not only City Hall to work
help dependent work BR to help with work
put placement into other business it's a
good
idea I I like I agree with that idea um
I'd also like to see us um you know
increase that that line in order to ACC
accompany that right um I did ask for
ash we to dat but 50,000 56,000 56,000
out of 150,000 so we're about 0 we don't
have any outstanding um any outstanding
invoices from the school
district the city so that's all we spent
was 50,000 56,000 out of the 150 from
last
year so there was there would have been
an opportunity than to have young people
in other places outside of City Hall um
long time ago to do the program through
um wellts they put young all over
including like MP alties and all that
but also in um private businesses and
things like that so um I agree I think
that's something that we could explore
again go ahead please I think it's a
good idea actually also um certainly I
know from my pre-retirement um I would
have loved to have had the opportunity
to hire somebody and have somebody else
pay for it no seriously no I'm just
saying I mean I think it's a really good
idea and then plus there's kids that
there's youth that have different career
interests so it really is a nice
partnership with whether it's businesses
whether it's nonprofits it would be a
good idea in terms of what uh president
Porterfield just said didn't we last
year give some money to sjta to thought
we did years last two
years but we're not considering that
this year I guess I don't 2025 I think
that's what they asked to the table is
toes have it plug no
ask Anthony where money that went
usjt we put money into the county
program I don't know this year they
didn't give us anything they didn't give
us any
bills but that's the line that that
would is that the line that that would
have come out of yes okay I just wanted
to make sure that we're still doing
that yeah the question is do we have do
we have enough money and I think I asked
it's back here look at the today is
$56,000 and if all that was spent to
kind of the youth employment in City
Hall so we're talking about
94,000 Sor so we're looking about
$94,000 of if we were to imply them back
at City Hall and the parks another 50
$60,000 so we're looking at um you know
$90,000 there available to help out out
of
business I don't think that's
enough I I was just wondering why we
didn't spend the whole amount of money
in other words what you're saying is the
county didn't didn't I know again I want
to say in the city some in the summer
programs did
not take off the way I thought they were
going to and could
construction uh there may have been some
things that Chris L hired that have been
charged out of other accounts so that
number might
be
uh a little high in terms of what is
actually there it's not significant
might be 5,000 bucks
but go ahead um can Mr Farley bring me
back to I think your first year of
council that was there were a whole
bunch of students that you hired or not
you person on the city 2022 we did a was
a partnership with the city and the
school district right so was the county
yes okay was this this line or no
yes what did we do you recall what we
spent that
year
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it
14,2 they they really utilize that money
that2
yeah right and I think so initially um
during cuz now you're kind of triggering
my memory here that there was
conversation around whether uh the
county was the appropriate partner or
something that we wanted to bring more
inhouse so I don't know if that Dynamic
shifted and which is why we would see
you know go from spending uh 140,000
to to 50,000 so I don't know if that you
know that it was a promat programmatic
change that could have happened because
are we do this year are we still
partnering with the
county well then that that exp happened
to our person who was
running Park store yeah he had left will
left don't happen since then that's what
happened to go ahead please well no I
think I mean I think um whether we leave
it at 150 or if we add more money I
think it's really valuable I mean I
don't we never know whether actually
youth um you know just again based on my
when I was working but I mean sometimes
we had trouble recruiting youth even
through
sjta um they sometimes have trouble um I
think right not anymore maybe maybe I
mean this is I'm talking about when I
was working so so I mean but I mean I
think it's a really valuable program I I
really can't emphasize that enough so
whether we stay at 150 or whether we add
money but again if we add money we have
to take money away from someplace else
there is no doubt it's a very successful
program and to to kind of like getting
bu you out there into the into the
working environment because if we can
recall in 2022 when Dr zaka came here
and did a presentation after the the
work program and he was like telling us
that these business were asking these
you to come back and to do parttime
because of the work ethics they were
developing at a point in time those are things that you know hit you
to see that that we continue to fund
them and that's why I always ask and all
of us none of us are asking to to get
rid that we're asking to can help it but
at the same time we need to spread it
and utilize it so so I think there need
to be a more a more broader partnership
with the city the parks department City
Hall parks department and the part of
business in um in the city yeah I think
you definitely need to expand it beyond
that um working for the cities want to
focus on um working in the Parks depends
on what you like I think there's so many
other opportunities and so many other
industries that are emerging young
people can gain skills and like you said
if you had a business and you didn't
have to pay somebody but you could they
get training and then you get some extra
help and like I said there's emerging
things that young people are really
interested in that um we have those
companies yeah like I don't know does
anybody work in the it it Department
this year I think that would be a great
place to
work we did not have
people worked in the
it those are sensitive
Department we have to
have Cy security sensitive Department
you can't have parttime or or people who
are inter there they St I think this is calling for a more discussion
and to bring in um players into this uh
to kind
of you know profile a u a plan how do we
um involve everybody funding was there
funding is there next
year I don't I don't think the funding
is adequate that's what I'm saying as
you see we didn't spent 150 no no so for clear because the money wasn't spent
does not mean that the need is not there
I would I would there lot of need we
that I know absolutely so so the point
of this process is as to we assess the
need then we respond in kind and what
I'm suggesting and what I don't think we
need uh even though I like collaboration
and partnership I don't think we need
other people to come in here to tell us
that our youth need uh greater
investment in our youth um so I think
that that's a pretty that's a simple
position that I'm pretty confident in
taking and saying I think that we need
to respond and I think that we need to
uh boost that budget and and it seems
like the mechanism has changed from
having a partner with a broader reach
and then that partner is no longer a
part of it and I think that that would
be reflect more of why we're at
the number that we're at not the need of
the youth kids need employment this is
actually to um and I definitely credit a
city council and the mayor for this this
was the first time the city actually um
this is usually a county thing um so
this the first time we did this was you
know the city um taking some ownership
in that process and I think that it was
extremely successful and we could tell
about the climate of our community these
things are needed more and more so yeah
I think it is a serious consideration I
don't need I don't know that we need a
whole bunch of
uh further research to know that so I
think that that's something that I'm
willing to look at and I think I welcome
my colleagues to do so as
well and the evidence is there when we
had the larger partnership back in 22
that we spent almost all money so so and
I back to broader discussion with all of
us including the mayor to bring the
players to the table and say
okay we need to expand this we need to
utilize the funding whatever the number
is and let's maximize it to benefit
the use okay we we're going to be able
to do that before the budget no we don't
can we pass the budget and then we bring
those and and then we set the me and you
on the same page that's what I'm saying
let's allocate the funds and then
programmatic
decisioning start implenting how do we
move forward to spending yeah so how
much are we
allocating Council will we making those
decisions right now or are we still
going
through did like how Anthony came back
for the draft of whatever we had
suggested it's not something that we had
agreed on it suggested changes from the
yesterday so something this where just
you know kind of like brainstorming and
trying to put some numbers against these
lines to see where we are remember when
ask you have to take yes that's what
saying that's what you did here it's
more of a for us look that seems to be
the case in every budget line right
every l so this one's no different okay
whatever you're taking out whatever
you're adding you have to take on
something
y we should ask do I do I have a do I
have a suggested am like to see i' like
to see another $100,000 in that L what
are you I said I would like to see
another $100,000 in that L to make add
to 250
yep well at the same time you know we
put you on the spot we need to look at
um where is a
100,000 coming from but you know I'm
just that
you can go uh we have some work no no
I'm with you I mean I just think that we
every time we talk about adding that's
the same formula we have to use right
I'm fully aware has to be an in and out
fully aware you say that every time we
talk about soad please the lifeguards
are in a different place I just want to
point that out so we do also hire youth
um um boys and girls that's a contract
to the boys and
girls those are funding already going to
say there's one also hired at the golf
course summer but I think so too this
ER because Matt D was looking for sum
but again
that wasn't charged out of this money
but it was kind of conceptually
something that should have been there
you need to reappropriate those money
you need to put them in the rightful um
line
leave it in golf if it's in golf I agree
but I think we're all it sounds to me
like we're all in agreement that we want
to support youth employment yeah so I
just I think we can move on but so we're
all in agreement with my
$100,000 the whole thing first okay I'm
just
one go ahead please so question all
right all right we were talking about
potential and there's a probably good
chance right some of the Opera money
will be coming back yeah and and we're
looking at changing up this program a
bit right in the Partnerships so that
would be a source excellent source and
then see how we do for that year and
then fund it the following year if it
goes well at that same amount I I I
think that's an excellent suggestion
because if we take back money um from
arer I believe that this would be a
legitimate use of arur
because we have I think yeah but I think
that all these prog all these program
questions you
know we can address after we pass a
budget but um you know it's a it's a
good suggestion but I think what was
discussed um the last couple U meetings
is that we it's funded by arpa currently
so we're looking I made a suggestion to
fund it permanently in the budget next
year because our is going away so next
year we would not be with the blue line
it will be coming out directly from the
general fund for thisth employment BL
line so what
I we an agreement to what
250,000 it will have to be per meance in
the budget funding from general fund
again and I know you guys get sick of me
putting on my fundraising hat but nobody anybody in any case this is
something when we look at overall we
finished going through all these
questions but I mean again it would be a
staff not us but um you know I think
there's ways to raise money um to make
up some of that money as well for for
something like that I could see that we
might have businesses or whatever that
might make donations into a fund that
was funding empy that's a good because
if we're if we're if we're sending
employment parttime employment to them
at some point in time they can make a
donation toward a program or
y see coming in good keep that
hot half the salary another thing that
is that we have to look at is that how
does this impact you know and drive down
cost in other areas once you have youth
with less idle time um yes and that and
that's and the other point that we want
to consider is that that money that's um
going into youth is likely going to
recirculate within our local economy so
there's a couple variables that we have
to really consider when we're making
that decision good those new points I
think my $100,000 suggestion was a
little low so we'll revisit that we get
there a little little low on that
actually
so okay it is noted we have notes umy um
we're taking notes of these um suggested
numbers
sest we're not asking for change the
point time just to kind of like put that
on
paper now
the next one is um Revenue a213
D I spoke to Paul about these he says
the city we in negotiations with the
towns
of
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Miss scoa and
Scotia so not we are in negotiations
right now with those for water
and
okay and not sure we actually open negot
yeah I don't think we discuss this in um
session so if there's more if there's if
there if we need to elaborate on this I
think we need to at the
end yeah we need to go in executive
session and conclude
um Mr Willi would you like more
discussion on this as to where they
are we
canate okay so we'll we'll then do that
like we did last night and then go and
you will
we'll get some more information the next
one is um Gulf CR 2025 M right before I
came to the meeting Matt sent me a
message did i s was I can't remember no
but I you said the breakdown membership
is 50% of City residents and 50%
nonresidents on seasonal membership um
and he also says uh the
rounds 22,000 rounds for non
residents 6,000 rounds from
residents
that regular rounds whole starts for the
season 9 18 whole rounds over
overwhelming non-resident with
approximately 22,000 rounds coming from
non-residents Ando 6,000 coming from
residents
you says you have
that can you share that I will pass it
on to it was just when I was leaving to
members
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yeah don't that's I think that's all
your question
U we didn't miss
anything uh I know for this question
specifically those so deling a little
deeper I know I'm not necessarily a
golfer but trying to identify other
segments in the community to see if we
can boost membership uh or see if there
are other concerned efforts we can make
you can contribute a significant amount
of arpa dollars to
this one area of the city um and I think
trying to look or evaluate ways to
increase partnership from our local
residents is important but without that
uh truth data that Mr Farley always
highlights we might not be aware of any
additional efforts we need to make to
entice some of the
communities I will say kids on a on the
golf course uh with uh uh shout out to
Brian Le better he's had a group of
young men um who actually is a golf team
now um and it's it was really really
interesting and really great to see so
but yes we would like to I agree with
you Mr Williams that's something we want
to increase Mr yeah just that school
district did not have a golf team is now
reconstituted it uh and I tried to hire
one of the
kids now my m is coming back for the
golf course and he had
other uh opportunities so it's
nothing it's all good but just that is
how do you get people uh taking
advantage of you know whether it's the
golf course the swimming pool the a
diamond uh basketball courts the amities
that we have within the city so that uh
and they can uh hopefully turn it into
lifetime Pursuits
yeah I mean this is something that we
can have on M back at some point in time
a committee meeting to talk about that U
this good points that you're you're
bringing up there and I think they do
come for every year to kind of like look
at fees almost every year as as they
been here and they will come and they
will suggest that we increase the fee at
the same time tell us you know what's
happening over there and their your
competitors
we can
talk not talking about playing all I was
supposed to play today but never made it
but anyway um we had a pretty hefty uh P
increase uh for season passes I think
two years ago um which affected I think
a lot of our residents so um as far as
the fee pce but I'm just so proud of our
course and what we have to offer that
22,000 nonresidents are coming to play
um and
um as far as putting amount the amount
of resources we did into into this
course the the 3 million for irrigation
which will only I think improve
residents and non-residents and light
coming in but we've also spent a whole
lot of money in different parts of the
city um where you know there's not much
revenue that comes in from there so
again I think it was a huge asset of
what we put in there and I'm proud of
what the city's done what we've done and
it will continue I think to be a big
very large Revenue Source moving forward
so thank you I would throw out to the
council ceremonial role mayor is opening
the golf course I drive up the first and
have been challenged by of
Team generally the mayor doesn't do too
well and so I would open that up
to challenge the city council when we
open it up and we can all
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we all have our strengths that is not
one of mine that is not one of
mine we will we will take our our
training
lessons I will I will come and laugh at
you guys when the kids kick your butt
but I will not they do I will not
participate well I just want to say I
mean again I am not a golfer as Mr
William said but it's just you know I
spend a lot of time talking with Matt
and just because my health and
Recreation role here but um it's an
amazing course I have so many friends
that are golfers who just talk again I
can't speak for myself but you know that
it's such an excellent course that it
Rivals private private clubs so I just
think Matt does you know an amazing job
and I also want to say we have a really
active golf advisory committee as well
and they are very committed to the to to
the course and they you know they're
just a really active group of volunteers
as well no I just so add to that I the
golf we have invest a lot of money into
the parks and I mean yeah aggressive
approach from the mayor from us on you
know the department so all of part
seeing a lot of investment and they're
generating Revenue to because people are
paying fees uh you know for certain
things to to use the facility so all
these things are you know coming into
place and development are happening
across the city in terms of facility
that people can
use and um you know benefit from and at
the same time we Genera take some
Revenue to help offset cost I just want
to clarify so um are you saying that Mr
Charo that that the fee increase was
prohibited for some residents you felt
like we had a drop off there I I I
seriously do I do um I don't I think it
if it was huge not huge I'm sorry don't
say and I think
doubled well let's be clear it's not the
fee to play Just Around golf it is the
season pass and I will tell you that is one of the best
values in the capital region yeah that
was yeah so I was I was about to say
that because when Matt came to us he was
saying that our fee is regardless of him
raising it up it's still below our
competitors around the capital region
and we offer more the best
facility it it was a season pass and I I
do know quite a few people reached out
to me that they had to drop their season
pass membership they they could go out
and
play four times a day if they want it
365 days year of course was open but
some of them are there
36 they get their money's worth but it
was it was quite an investment too a
lot there's it's a good point and I
don't know the number what is it
$1,500 yeah yeah so pay $1,500 and then
you can basically play whenever you
want as opposed to going up and paying
for the the 18 holes I and I think it
was maybe 800
prior so it was but we approved it so
yeah so I think when mat is back I'm
sure he's going to be back here next
year before us we can we can raise these
um the conversation with him to talk
about um you
know the raises of would affect the
usage because I don't I don't have that
chart with me now but I mean even and
again my my golf knowledge is limited
but um I hear what M Doro is saying but
I know that the other fees go up very minimally um when when Matt comes
to US every year well and I think if I
can speak I mean for myself maybe I mean
we trust him with his AB we should and
he he's out there he's a pro so that's
what kind of like you know what he's
bringing this to us he asking this he's
giving us comparison at that point in
time to show that hey what's happening
out there in Colony and Leon here we and
we're still under and I I do think I'm
sorry but I just want to say I mean
again for the last few years I've been
talking with him about the whole getting
more youth out there so the idea that
the school has um reinstituted you're
saying a golf team is awesome I mean
that'll be really uh great
for for all of us I mean and I think as
mayor said it if they get into a
lifetime habit um it's a good thing the
mayor will get his um inter this year
next year an inter to do the first golf
shot for
him yeah but I I I guess I think what
that kind of hike in the feed was more
responsive to the fact that they hadn't
been raised consistently so I think at a consistent rate to be consistent
with the other municipalities to have
cuz when he came and presented he said
hey we're still way below so I think
what some of that what you might
experience is a little bit of ticket the
ticket shop right of wow and then maybe
after that because you know once you
once you're getting something at a
certain value even if if it doubles even
if you're still getting it as you know
even if it's still a far greater value
you could you can experience a little
bit of ticket shot but I think that
that's something that will you know kind
of self-correct people start to come
back
goe Mr chair and the problem that's Evol
the golf course is just what Mr Fry's
talking about is you cannot get a tea
timee the demand is there so that people
are lining up and so we raised the
prices on some of that to again level it
out so in fact people could play and
enjoy it having said that there's still
times on like Sunday afternoon and other
times when utilization is very low we've
talked about it before uh that's
specifically this Council but
historically is how do you get people to
uh come in on the Sunday afternoon later
on some of the other afternoons where
it's
slow to take advantage of the investment
that we've made be able to have a good
time and uh maybe play golf when they
wouldn't otherwise play bring people
in uh for the experience where they
could uh learn Golf and take it up as a
continual activity going forward I
20% I'll just listen people advertise
free golf hot dogs
$39 I mean it gets you in
there anyway there's lots of different
there thank you
yeah well this is this was interesting
yeah so we we can we can address that
mat before here or if we need to bring
him in ear you know we can Parks sh Elon
W sh to bring m m you know
yeah if we need
to before he comes us suggested um
Revenue increase next year because he
does he does that all the
year any other question on this so
Anthony what I would ask take away from
this is that um we can't do an in and
out of this but if you can just create a seure to show what it was CA
associated with the
recommendation the associate cost but
not not in out just a cost
yes there is a backup in here is this um
Accord to Mr continency $20,000 20,000 so there's
no need to discuss that what is that
what is remember that was where they
were going to take the money
from from the the police money and but
now it's coming out the contingency the
planting there there is a suggestion on
the table to take out the
frency so that's and I'm I'm fine with
that okay so yes okay all
right are we missing any questions from
last night are we missing any stuff from
last I thought we had a couple we didn't
go over all these yet have we did we go
over these three pieces that we had in
our packet when we got
here yes
yeah this is the one I talk about the um
on the presentation but the
um this is the one with the um the fee
excessive W fee I asked if I wor
knowledge Ming forward to move that um
hopefully calling for public hearing if
council is an agreement we'll call for
the public hearing and move for this one
here is the um new program I asked for
year to the
okay
actual no I just wanted to make sure we
recover yes you
did there's no on sorry it's confusing
it printed on um both
sides we got the
and we did address the um the AR reports
but the outstanding um that we had from
last
evening all right
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are there any other questions uh need to
be submitted to to Anthony or any
department
head I like if we can wrap up all the um
no no hard feelings but I would like to
wrap up all the questions and if we have
any please submitted so we can get
answer because um at some point time we
going to have to
like cut out the questions and and start
move in the direction of uh
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conclusion so please if you have any
question please ask now or submit it um
this
evening um I would really appreciate
because um I would like us start move in
a to arrive at a conclusion
and again please reach out to the mayor
please reach out to Anthony if you have
any questions any concerns any
recommendation make sure you send oh
sorry
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I yeah please copy Derek also and
Anthony copy the mayor so you know I we want you to ask question we want you
to get answered and I
am I
am hoping that all the questions have
been answered and if there's anything
outstanding we can answer tomorrow and
I'm hoping that we can deliver it
tomorrow for a
conclusion I think we can do that we I
don't see a point at this time um any
question outstanding or any any hot
topic that is the
table that needs to be addressed if
there's anything that I'm missing please
let me
know go ahead I guess um just in terms
of prepping for tomorrow night if
there's anything that people feel like
they're going to raise that might be
items that we might need to debate it
would be good to have sort of heads up
on that so we can think about that so I
mean we we really haven't talked at all
about about that so I want use that
word well you know want to want yes
thank you we want to discuss it friendly
discussion not debate we we going to
change the way how we do things so we
have friendly discussion so yes and
thank you for that if you you know go
back after this tonight tomorrow morning
during the day please reach out with
your recommendation if you want to see
you know like just use um the money
$250,000 300,000 yeah
know you're not allow
I I'm just making a suggestion you're
making a suggestion of 250,000
guide help us to where do we take that
off from sure where do we do we increase
Revenue do we take it out the line make
a suggestion so that way helps anony it
help us to move and that's a
recommendation that would avoid a LLY
discussion as to back and forth sure
thing so come up with that everybody I'm
just using an example anybody else
myself to include it if I'm going to
make a recommendation to say that I
think that we should increase XYZ I need
to come up with a plan where do we take
it from we cannot uh suggestion on the
table with yesterday's uh
recommendation Anthony came came back
with a
suggestion
contingency now we have to be careful
our actual to date is
332,000 and if you're dropping up to 20
that's that's a little dangerous so we
need to we need to at a point you know
bring that to the table and say is that
realistic to me no no that's not
realistic because our contingency needs
to stay at that point in time for fire
it happen all the time we can avoid it
we have to do emergency demo they need
funding on that line to help with
that if you want to add something you
have to take that's
what today
take back
yeah not only not only take it out if we
suggesting to take it out of certain
lines we have to be you know we
realistic and at the same time we're
look at if you want to increase Revenue
you know those are suggestion that we
need to bring
tomorrow no question Anthony what do we
have to do if we add something you clear
that okay got it got
it we know that okay got me to follow an
email for you yeah please if you would
mind help me a little bit Y show me them
some so please all of us including
myself recommendation as to how we move
forward and conclude tomorrow so if you
can subit that ahead of time that will
be very very helpful so Anthony can um
bring um suggestion and the cost
associated with your suggestion so we
need so before tomorrow night's meeting
will we have an update on the changes
that have been at least sort of
suggested I know we got this right so
yes this is it just cost analysis on
this you're just looking for cost analis
oh no no no no no this is just yes but if we can get it ahead of time at
least we'd have time to think about it
before we come to the table just I guess
I'm just trying to avoid any shocking
kinds of things that when we come to the
table I'd rather have good point if we
can do this tomorrow morning you should
share with us morning so that to the
counil so we have this here at this as
another proposal the one that we
received today versus this one
tomorrow
yeah submit your proposal if you don't
want to submit it please call the mayor
call Anthony discuss have a you know
your free have open open phone
conversation with the mayor with Anthony
dere you may not want to P in an email
please make phone
calls I'll call you
here make phone calls and come to the
table with you know with um with an
understanding of how we uh move
forward if you want to talk about the
arpa and the reallocation that we didn't
touch on talk about it openly see where
we are we have we have you know some
agency that not not off the par what do
we do there you brought up a good point
earlier you know should we consider this
into this budget that's that's open
question but but it was my understanding
from when this Carver was here that we
can't consider it into the budget right
is that what I heard or that's we only
are looking at those four things no
that's already in the budget to bance a
budget we can an out that okay so we can
still funding from other pieces if we
were to make any adjustment on those
four recommendation on the Aral line we
would have to find other source of
income Revenue to offset that now we
were talking about earlier there that
we're talking about that we're steering
down and that's what you made some
reference towards it and that's what
kind of like brought it on
that but if we if we if we're talking
about that I think that we should aim
our the aimed at City things within the
city yes and and I don't mean salary so
I mean other projects like the parks
things in the Parks whatever else needs
to be done 100,000 what you're saying so
if we take other funds from other
agencies
it's not going to
ouren is going to be remain in house go
offet um some of the we just talked
about exactly
yes I think that's that's that's what I
was thinking when I was going over
everything today so
yeah so we have our homework tonight and
into tomorrow uh tomorrow evening and
Anthony will provide that um cause
breakdown for us
and do we have anything else
Joe no I think we have much so we'll
just we'll just um we'll just U go into
executive session we'll deal with u the
revenue um the three items and then
we'll break until tomorrow oh we're
going into s yeah so I just need a
motion to go into executive
session motion more
clear ex session
it's um there three items a 2130b FX
2140b and G
21 outside contract
negotiation
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MP okay that is pending
and
tomor I'll make a motion second all in
favor we're in executive session make a
motion
me too not
allow
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