[0:00] my brother Vince had his knee done yeah
[0:02] I got my knee done GE got to get his hip
[0:03] done oh his hip yeah they say that's
[0:05] pretty easy to cover yeah I know you
[0:09] know saying that's they that kitchen
[0:12] killed us oh absolutely you know my
[0:15] brother worked for gold since
[0:17] 1977 cleaning it
[0:24] cut seat Center
[0:28] here 30
[0:31] [Music]
[0:44] [Applause]
[0:46] [Music]
[0:54] yeah you're doing really well my brother
[0:57] I
[1:00] tonight T absolutely away my brother
[1:06] [Applause]
[1:09] they we having a good time let's invite
[1:12] them yeah what's what
[1:17] today let's make it a short one today
[1:19] take tomorrow take
[1:22] tomorrow
[1:26] I a short one today right your out there
[1:31] F than that I don't have one of
[1:34] those yeah we can make a shark max know
[1:37] Max is coming in millions of dollars
[1:39] thank you Max appreciate that got
[1:47] [Music]
[2:26] I'd like to call the conect city council
[2:28] committee meeting for thday October
[2:32] 17th 17th more than half the month is on
[2:36] we have one committee tonight turn toiss
[2:38] for finance thank you madam president I
[2:40] would like to call the finance committee
[2:42] to ARA and we have a couple items held
[2:46] over from today we have some new
[2:50] um questions and
[2:52] answers from
[2:55] today and the first item we going into
[2:58] is the ARA discussion question follow up
[3:01] from um
[3:03] yesterday they were some questions from
[3:07] yesterday and we ask Miss Cara to be
[3:11] here to help us navigate those uh those
[3:15] questions
[3:16] [Music]
[3:23] [Applause]
[3:30] so if we can first go to our um our ARA
[3:34] allocation um
[3:40] [Music]
[3:56] sheets course sorry to put you on the sh
[3:58] notice um you were hoping to get you
[4:02] next Monday or CLE but you're going be
[4:04] off so we have to
[4:06] utilize the small amount of information
[4:09] you may have for for us okay I'm ready
[4:11] for you I'm ready there's no pressure
[4:13] there no pressure If you don't have the
[4:14] information you can always email it to
[4:16] us
[4:18] okay um the take away from yesterday is
[4:21] that
[4:22] um I know you and your your department
[4:25] is aggressively going um
[4:27] on so Poli these contract out to the
[4:30] relevant agencies who was awarded on the
[4:33] alpha funding there are some agency that
[4:35] is still U you're working with them they
[4:38] are still they're still trying to get
[4:41] the documents in place and also try to
[4:44] leverage the other funding from the
[4:46] other agencies so there are a couple
[4:50] agencies here that um we would like you
[4:54] to kind of tell us if you have the
[4:56] information as to where they are in
[4:58] terms of the
[5:01] their portion of the work and okay
[5:07] and that would be the first one um
[5:10] Habitat for Humanity Habitat for
[5:14] Humanity 500,000 is allocated to the
[5:16] ranking house um their project is due to
[5:20] start March of 2025 for that house so
[5:22] they have all of the other funding but
[5:25] it's not going to be done be ready to
[5:27] take so March here they have all the
[5:30] fundings yes and you have all the
[5:33] documentation regards to that yes so in
[5:37] terms of signing a contract with them
[5:38] they're already in contract we only have
[5:40] one organization that is not in
[5:43] contract which has been reported um to
[5:46] the city council so we just have one
[5:47] which is
[5:49] Dory in Dory Foundation is the only subp
[5:54] that is not a
[5:56] contract what about BC and handon
[6:02] like the $500,000 for bcn they are on
[6:05] contract there was some issues with the
[6:08] title on a city owned property not clean
[6:10] title um but that do have a question
[6:12] mark if they are going to be they had
[6:15] some hiccups with some of their leverage
[6:17] funding that they were going to use for
[6:19] that entire
[6:21] project these hicups will affect the
[6:23] funding from our end
[6:30] if you don't have the answer yeah I
[6:32] don't have the answer on that I will say
[6:34] that we asked for a spending plan from
[6:37] bcni um I should have that by the 23rd
[6:40] deadline is next week so I should have
[6:41] that from dcni on their plans on how
[6:44] they're going to spend this money down
[6:45] by the
[6:46] deadline I'm talking about bcni what
[6:49] about the the $1 million the $1 million
[6:52] myself as a department of development I
[6:54] do have concerns with being able to
[6:56] spend that down um in the time manner
[6:59] because they do have other funding for
[7:01] owner occupy reand from our
[7:03] cdbg so that is$ million right now
[7:07] they've only spent
[7:11] down
[7:13] $3,000 yes would be able to share those
[7:15] from email to us
[7:20] sure and the next one I think is the
[7:22] Hamilton hill art
[7:25] centor again we have requested the
[7:27] spending plan for the Hamil Center they
[7:30] don't have site yet so that is a concern
[7:32] for the Department of development they
[7:34] have not secured a site for this
[7:38] project so all in all there bcni $1
[7:41] million and the Hamilton Art Center 1 $2
[7:47] million yes is of concerns yes and we
[7:51] you have contracts for have that
[7:52] $500,000 bcni
[7:55] 500,000 and $1
[7:57] million yes they are
[8:01] contract am I missing any other um
[8:04] agencies please
[8:07] [Music]
[8:22] help where's
[8:24] second the YW so
[8:27] the Y
[8:29] in Washington so they've spent 106
[8:32] already of the 364 so what are their
[8:34] plans we ask for a spending plan for
[8:37] them to their project they are still for
[8:39] their Harbor House project they did come
[8:41] to city council and ask for some of
[8:43] those for the capital project to be
[8:44] moved to the Harper house which was
[8:47] approved by resolution but there are
[8:49] funding um issues they're still lining
[8:51] up all their funding to move forward
[8:53] with the har
[9:00] what's the latest with the Electric City
[9:02] Food Coop they went into contract just
[9:05] two and a half weeks ago so they we
[9:08] received only pre-contractual documents
[9:10] and they are in contract and prepared to
[9:12] start spending down as soon as possible
[9:13] as well
[9:29] [Music]
[9:30] did you already talk about Carver before
[9:32] I came into the room the Carver no no no
[9:35] anything on offer
[9:38] please so Carver is not in contract
[9:52] okay into the budget was came out of us
[9:55] we resend it essentially their funds
[9:57] were put back into the budget so
[10:00] [Music]
[10:07] go Ahad so am I correcting U these
[10:10] monies just have to be allocated by
[10:12] December 31st but spent by December 31st
[10:15] of
[10:20] 20252 a construction project they needed
[10:23] to have sight they needed to have sight
[10:27] by the end of this year
[10:30] construction we cannot make
[10:33] changes
[10:35] in5 that is not clear Trey guidelines
[10:39] are I believe the city the municipality
[10:42] has some
[10:45] flexibility it's not just allocated the
[10:48] council can allocate something we have
[10:50] to be under
[10:52] contract with it by the December 31st is
[10:55] that
[10:56] correct that's
[11:00] but also is that like she said if you're
[11:03] construction you got to have S command
[11:06] you got to have like that um we we can't
[11:11] go under contract if so he doesn't
[11:13] have correct as part of the
[11:15] pre-contractual documents that are
[11:21] required so who the that effect on this
[11:24] list she just BC right
[11:29] everybody they're all in contract just D
[11:31] is not in contract and they're not
[11:33] construction so they're working on
[11:34] getting they have about 85% of the pre
[11:37] contractual documents we're just waiting
[11:39] on a few items there what the lower
[11:41] policy you know minor
[11:46] things did you say b a million dollars
[11:49] was a concern just if they're going to
[11:51] be able to spend a million in the time
[11:54] frame that is allowed for ARA is a
[11:57] concern because they also have other
[12:00] we've allocated other funding to them
[12:02] and they're slow with spending it down
[12:03] which is why we act for spending
[12:09] plan and so far Hilton Art Center is the
[12:12] one that does not
[12:15] [Music]
[12:17] have is that the infill development
[12:20] project or the 1 million to bcni oh
[12:24] that's that was I was going to ask what what was the second bcni project
[12:28] okay gotcha it's
[12:33] [Music]
[12:36] right have that
[12:38] sheet oh sorry I missed the sheet
[12:45] sorry focused on the other
[12:47] [Music]
[12:50] sheets go ahead please Carver is there a
[12:53] deadline for when you requested to have
[12:56] those spin back just we can still action
[12:58] oober
[13:00] I'm sorry October October
[13:02] 23rd to have all the documents in to
[13:06] have a spending plan so that I'll be
[13:08] able to present that to Finance on where
[13:11] they are when spending down the money
[13:12] not to have all documents Mr
[13:15] [Music]
[13:16] M we we have all of the documents if
[13:19] they're in contract we've collected
[13:21] everything that they needed according to
[13:23] what we set forth for the
[13:24] pre-contractual requirements so we have
[13:26] those documents on F
[13:30] go ahead please um gr Park we only spend
[13:35] 18,000
[13:38] [Music]
[13:40] correct that is correct and the park
[13:43] allocation on councilwoman is more
[13:45] engineering has
[13:47] been
[13:49] for City
[13:52] [Music]
[14:00] and we do have a couple of organizations
[14:02] that are slow spending but they are
[14:04] aware that they are slow and the team is
[14:06] constantly reminding of the deadline and
[14:09] they need to spend it down for the most
[14:15] part our our our deadline to possibly
[14:20] Rec coup those funds is sooner than AR
[14:24] deadline right we're communica to them
[14:26] that if by this date you don't have that
[14:28] or maybe not by a spefic specific dat
[14:29] but if things AR moving in in
[14:32] a at a good Pace then there you know we
[14:35] might have to recuit those funds I I've
[14:38] sent down notification saying that you
[14:40] know for example to be cni that the
[14:42] funds are at risk
[14:45] captured so would it will not be a
[14:47] surprise but I use that as leverage to
[14:49] get the spending plan sure from the
[14:55] organizations go ahead please and I I
[14:57] the this came up the other night at our
[14:59] meeting um you actually asked for
[15:01] reports on a regular basis from the
[15:03] folks right yes that's what I thought
[15:05] yes we're the team is working what I
[15:08] sent an email out to say that we just
[15:10] Clos out the fiscal year so reports were
[15:12] due to the Department of development on
[15:14] the 15th so we have a couple of
[15:16] stragglers so versus sending numerous
[15:18] emails with the report we're just kind
[15:20] of waiting for the stragglers to submit
[15:22] so I can send you that final report for
[15:24] the fiscal year versus every single
[15:26] quarter for every single sub because the
[15:29] report is cumulative so when you look at
[15:31] the last report for the year you're
[15:33] going to be able to see everything that
[15:34] they spent their accomplishments the
[15:36] demographics that they Ser with the
[15:38] funding and they list out the challenges
[15:40] that they may have experienced spending
[15:42] down the
[15:55] funding are there any other question
[16:05] please I guess just because I've never
[16:07] been a part of this scenario but should
[16:10] we recoup funds after we theoretically
[16:13] already passed the budget how does that
[16:14] process proceed
[16:18] wel can I ask a question what time frame
[16:21] if the spending plan date that I've
[16:23] given of October 23rd does that work to
[16:26] give the information so that then you
[16:28] can make a decision based on a plan that
[16:30] the sub
[16:35] provide at this
[16:37] point it's what we
[16:39] have that's a good question well I think
[16:43] that you were mentioning that you were
[16:44] hoping that we were actually going to
[16:46] finish our work this week yeah and so we
[16:48] kind of
[16:49] need cross well no I mean I think that
[16:52] um that was what I Mr mudar has said
[16:54] that a few times but um I'm certainly
[16:57] hoping that we're going to finish our
[16:58] work by November 1st this year but um it
[17:02] seems to have been going smoothly enough
[17:04] that I was kind of hoping that we might
[17:05] be able I was on the same page as Mr bu
[17:08] and hoping that we could try to do it
[17:09] this week but I
[17:11] was
[17:13] what these are these a good a good
[17:15] question that you ask but I my
[17:19] understanding was that the the AR
[17:20] wouldn't necessarily be for this budget
[17:22] if anything brought back would just be
[17:23] used in house because now it exists here
[17:26] and I think we probably have enough
[17:27] projects to be able to spend it on so my
[17:30] understanding was not we were trying to
[17:31] get it to do anything with this budget
[17:33] but that we would be able to have it in
[17:35] our you know because if the city has in
[17:38] you know in our fund then we still have
[17:40] two years spending on projects that was
[17:42] my understanding that we this wasn't
[17:43] necessarily to balance this budget
[17:46] because this well this budget's already
[17:48] [Music]
[17:51] balanced correct that would be my
[17:53] position
[17:55] also in some of those
[18:00] you know their organizations have good
[18:02] intent and it may be that uh I'll use
[18:06] bcni or habitat hypothetically without
[18:10] referencing them specifically they have
[18:13] mapped
[18:14] out broader
[18:16] scenarios it might be that habitat can't
[18:20] do all the houses or bcni so they might
[18:23] be able to do one or two so it might be
[18:28] submitted to councils not take all the
[18:30] money back but take a portion back that
[18:32] they're not going to be able to use and
[18:34] then to look for some other criteria
[18:38] ccil president's pointed out that would
[18:41] uh be a project within the city that we
[18:44] could do meeting the criteria
[18:46] implemented within the
[18:51] timeline be also sorry bear in mind also
[18:53] we do fund these agency through cdbg so
[18:56] it's not like a loss they always can
[18:58] funding is all always there for them to
[19:00] tap into regardless of ARA is going to
[19:03] be available through
[19:06] cdbg just because we use bcni as example
[19:09] I wanted to chime it I think um I
[19:15] said we we hold some of the
[19:17] responsibilities or not we didn't go
[19:19] forth with um closing of those
[19:21] properties the titles weren't clear so
[19:24] that's part of the hold up why they
[19:26] couldn't move forward with the project
[19:28] as well so I think that should be taken
[19:31] into consideration we think if we're
[19:33] going to recapture the part that we
[19:35] played as a city too because those
[19:38] projects were dedicated that money
[19:40] funding in the resolution is dedicated
[19:43] to be used for certain city owned
[19:46] properties we laid that out in a
[19:51] resolution I was I was just kind of to
[19:53] your point around like agencies that
[19:55] we've been um historically funded I also
[19:58] what want those agencies to presume that
[20:01] we would continue to um fund them
[20:04] because of s we've done it through the
[20:05] community block grant money I think just
[20:08] one thing that I think is important is
[20:09] that we look at you know a more continue
[20:13] to work towards a more Equitable
[20:15] resource allocation plan and I think so
[20:17] sometimes some of those uh agencies that
[20:21] we have funded for historically over a
[20:23] period of time can grow almost dependent
[20:26] on that and that's not really a
[20:27] sustainable model it's just that they
[20:29] should be made
[20:40] aware so so really the only four that we
[20:44] need to I mean the only four that are
[20:48] part of this 2025 budget
[20:51] then are well there were there were four
[20:55] that the finance department recommended
[20:57] that we take the money back and that is
[21:00] the Carver the Riverside Park the
[21:02] sidewalk program and the Empowerment
[21:04] Center so really it's wonderful I would
[21:07] you know we all wanted to see you here
[21:08] tonight because we had questions but in
[21:10] terms of our you know finishing our
[21:12] budget negotiations um we can we have
[21:15] time in other words to think about the
[21:17] rest of these ARA projects besides those
[21:19] four is what I'm hearing if we can't use
[21:22] this money um except for those four
[21:24] projects then we can kind of table this
[21:28] correct cor I just wanted to make sure I
[21:30] was understanding you guys saying that's
[21:32] what a thinking thinking is about here
[21:34] because um there's certain speculation
[21:36] but like say for example if we have the
[21:40] full funding from bcna and sorry to use
[21:42] the name not nothing against you
[21:46] BC would they qualify for CBG funding
[21:49] for this specific project under this $1
[21:52] million or
[21:54] home funding okay which they get get
[21:57] funding but they never they never the
[22:00] amount that arpa gave is much larger
[22:03] than you know annual allocation would
[22:06] give them to the arpa funding allows
[22:08] them more cap more funding to do more
[22:11] bigger projects than what they would be
[22:13] able to do with our annual allocation go
[22:16] ahead please and and in addition to that
[22:18] you said that we've played a role in it
[22:20] them doing that and just we need to
[22:23] think about what bcni does and how they
[22:25] you know provide affordable housing and
[22:27] all of that so if if if they they hold
[22:30] up with us and they're still able to
[22:32] complete their project within a couple
[22:33] years um I don't know that to me taking
[22:37] their money back does not would not
[22:40] benefit them it would benefit residents
[22:42] of the city hous that's a you know
[22:45] housing crisis is one of the things that
[22:47] we are facing for people in certain
[22:48] income categories so well I I don't
[22:51] think you want to take back but if
[22:53] they're if they're not coming up or
[22:55] stepping up to par to provide whatever
[22:57] is needed then we don't want to lose
[22:59] that funding I mean our well it's not
[23:03] our fa but we we don't want to be in the
[23:05] same Bo of losing it by trying to work
[23:07] with them all the way to the end of 31st
[23:09] of December and it dropped right there
[23:11] and we lost it that's not what she said
[23:13] that she I'm just making a statement I
[23:15] know but I'm just making you know
[23:18] speaking out loud and we don't want that
[23:20] to to ever happen I think the infi
[23:23] project will happen the one that I had
[23:25] the concern was was the million dollars
[23:28] on occupy rehab funding there was
[23:31] changes in leadership one there there
[23:34] was some capacity changes and they have
[23:37] other funding that we've given them that
[23:39] they haven't spent down yet so that's
[23:41] why the million is a concern for me
[23:43] because the other funding is still on
[23:45] the table they're currently right now
[23:47] requesting extensions on cdbg funding so
[23:51] that's why the
[23:53] million for the record that's why it's a
[23:55] concern because we have other funding
[23:57] that all to them that they have
[23:59] struggled with spinning down yeah and
[24:02] exactly that's the one I'm talking about
[24:03] the other $500,000 is pretty much a done
[24:06] They just got to process all milon it's
[24:09] a million
[24:13] dollar and go ahead I couldn't uh
[24:17] remember when I know that um we've given
[24:20] extensions to the Carver project but I
[24:23] actually thought that the last extension
[24:26] expired on September 30th but I haven't
[24:27] been able to get answer about that I
[24:29] don't think that we gave well the Carver
[24:31] because the co-op came on we never
[24:33] presented give give them a gave them a
[24:37] time I thought that we had a contingency
[24:39] on the funding that they had to raise
[24:42] never we never reallocate the money we we made an amendment they they
[24:46] brought back the property to us can we
[24:48] send the property back to us call up and
[24:50] quick for yes no car car Community
[24:56] yes oh the
[25:01] they never came back to us with their um
[25:03] their plan and then we never moveed
[25:05] forward to reallocate the money to them
[25:07] so that money was there in back into
[25:10] our without being realita
[25:15] to I don't understand what your point is
[25:18] um I thought that we had a contingency
[25:20] on that money and I thought that thaty a
[25:23] long time that was that was with
[25:25] car previous organization but not with
[25:29] the court the previous organizations
[25:31] didn't meet the criteria so the money
[25:32] came back into the City and the new uh form organization we we never
[25:38] reallocated that money to them okay so
[25:41] worry about that so that was sitting
[25:43] there and the gotcha I am I I understand
[25:46] now I don't know why I thought we
[25:48] still we had them here and we had
[25:50] conversations with them and we implied
[25:53] that that money was available to that
[25:54] particular group but as they were
[25:57] supposed to they were supposed to come
[25:59] back to us they supposed to come back
[26:00] and provide a list of things that I
[26:04] don't know how much was ever since but
[26:06] that never just came didn't come back to
[26:08] the council gotcha and it's very
[26:09] unfortunate because project that you
[26:12] know would have been very beneficial but
[26:15] we now we're at this point
[26:28] I look at the face no I just I think
[26:32] it's more question and answer yeah yeah
[26:34] this is developing into more questions
[26:37] and answer yeah all right any other
[26:39] question from
[26:40] [Music]
[26:42] Miss see none thank you so much time
[26:46] app you going to email that
[26:49] um talk to us yes remind
[26:54] me I'm just
[26:56] Jing I'm just joking
[27:01] [Music]
[27:15] I so we have we have some work to do on
[27:18] [Music]
[27:19] the serious
[27:21] [Music]
[27:23] work um we had some items from last
[27:28] evening that we asked for you to BR okay
[27:32] do you want to go through that and then
[27:34] I will
[27:41] talk can can you go to your list from
[27:44] yesterday
[27:46] please what can you go through your list
[27:49] from yesterday what do you mean
[27:52] my okay uh yes you ask me to bring
[27:56] back uh that $10,000 donation was yes
[28:00] sir I got that pass
[28:06] [Music]
[28:09] out and what happened was that the
[28:13] 10,000 did come in and it went right
[28:15] into the code a31
[28:19] 2402b
[28:21] so so what they did is you can see I try
[28:25] to dark line it where the where the
[28:26] credit came in they credited the the
[28:31] expenditure side of it so uh they really
[28:34] spent
[28:36] $133,000 because that what they did is
[28:39] that by putting the credit into that
[28:41] expenditure account it raised the
[28:44] balance by $10 more and the reason why
[28:47] that the chief wanted to do that is
[28:48] because he wanted to use that money
[28:51] directly he didn't want us to put a
[28:52] revenue and like not increase the budget
[28:54] you know what I mean so it was for him
[28:56] his way to like make sure that he got it
[28:58] into that
[29:04] budget you guys see that yes uh another
[29:08] thing you asked for was the copy of so
[29:11] far what we have for
[29:13] changes is you guys requested
[29:17] yes so I have changes on the general
[29:21] fund revenues and expenses the second
[29:23] page is uh capital projects changes and
[29:27] the third is water fund with
[29:29] the revenue that
[29:50] [Music]
[30:02] so you want to talk about those first
[30:04] the
[30:05] changes yes go ahead okay so the first
[30:08] very first one is uh what we did the
[30:10] very first day was to move $5,000 from
[30:14] the depy registar into the uh City Court
[30:18] salary so what we what we're doing we
[30:21] subtracted the 5,000 from um the deputy
[30:25] registar salary brought up to 47 ,000
[30:28] added it to the city clerk salary and
[30:31] she went from 83 to
[30:32] 88 then the S we took that out because
[30:36] uh that's where we had the stien for
[30:40] 5,000 plus 3,000 so we took the 5,000
[30:43] out of there we reduced the appropriate
[30:45] fund balance by that 5,000 and so
[30:47] there's 3,000 left for the city clerk
[30:50] right the second one is the city City
[30:54] Senior Center Program uh you ask not to
[30:57] use the police overtime so what we did
[30:59] is we increased the senior program by
[31:02] 60,000 and we're reducing the
[31:04] contingency by the
[31:06] 60,000 so there's no change in the
[31:08] budget at all uh we had a MOA for
[31:12] autograde for uh uh one of the record
[31:17] access courts in in law depart for csca
[31:21] uh that the sea demanded that we put in
[31:25] the budget and so until until there's
[31:28] actual actual U negotiations complete
[31:32] we'll be doing it we'll put it out of
[31:34] grade until uh until the contract is
[31:37] complete and again we're using uh taking
[31:39] that out of judgment and claims uh
[31:42] because as reference with the uh water
[31:45] department uh the last one was the
[31:48] 20,000 for Public Safety Foundation you
[31:50] wanted to put the 20,000 back in so we
[31:53] went from 5 to 25,000 and again we're
[31:55] taking another 20 out of uh so there is
[31:58] no uh budget changes the proposed
[32:01] changes is equal 5,000 in the revenue
[32:05] side and 5,000 on the uh expense side so
[32:09] it's
[32:10] equal uh the second phas is capital
[32:13] funding um we're moving uh Utilities in
[32:16] it we taking to 200,000 uh and uh we're
[32:22] as we're taking 140,000 out of 200an say
[32:26] the servers are okay as you remember you
[32:28] said and the 60,000 is to upgrade all
[32:31] the computers as Mr van asked thank you
[32:34] for it's a reduction of 140,000 under
[32:38] golf that's a reduction of 140,000
[32:42] yes
[32:44] uh so we're going from 200,000 to 60,000
[32:48] for utilities yes because the the theet
[32:52] said that the servers were good and then
[32:55] Mr you actually purchased them this year
[32:58] oh got yeah and Mr wanted him to update
[33:03] all the computers instead of waiting so he requested originally and the
[33:07] budget was 200,000 again but he said
[33:09] we're go with that and so he he only
[33:12] needed the 60,000 for the
[33:14] upgrades okay okay so that just reduced
[33:17] Capital yeah got it go
[33:20] ahead wrong the mayor or um B said that
[33:25] if they purchased the computers they
[33:26] wouldn't potentially be able to get to
[33:27] all next
[33:28] year not in a couple months but they will they will work on them in into
[33:33] until next year make sure that they get
[33:35] it done for the 12 month duration but
[33:38] not like two or three months to get all
[33:40] done it will take
[33:42] time thank you okay uh we're going to
[33:44] the golf course this is all other
[33:46] Capital reserves sweeper originally uh
[33:50] Mr W was yeah 15,000 but it was actually
[33:54] 45,000 so we had to increase that by
[33:57] 30,000
[33:58] but again the grass mow which he had
[34:00] budgeted for 150,000 is actually only
[34:03] 50,000 so we're subtracting the 100,000
[34:05] out of that and the utility C which he
[34:08] had is 18,000 it's actually
[34:10] 23,000 so we're adding 5,000 on that uh
[34:15] and then uh uh the Water Department as
[34:18] we mentioned we're adding water
[34:20] infrastructure for the CR Main Street
[34:23] for a million dollar and we're
[34:24] decreasing a million dollar for the bar
[34:26] streen design the swore by million
[34:28] dollar so total capital u total Capital
[34:32] funds are going down by
[34:36] [Music]
[34:38] $25,000 next one is uh third third one
[34:42] stage is water fund U the water rental
[34:45] we're making a change from
[34:47] 5,000 revenues they decreasing that by
[34:50] 5,000 so new budget will be zero and so
[34:53] we're taking that 5,000 out of light p
[34:55] and gas from from 9 9
[34:58] 5,500 to
[35:00] 98,500 that way we don't have to deal
[35:03] with appropriate fun balance or anything
[35:05] so makes it makes it a c
[35:09] sweet so those are those are the changes
[35:11] so far I mean nothing is uh
[35:14] [Music]
[35:17] guarante thank thank you for for pushing
[35:20] these ches for
[35:22] [Music]
[35:26] providing what our contingency
[35:29] today B chance you have
[35:34] [Music]
[35:41] your it yes you have you have
[35:45] your here I'll let
[35:49] you we are currently
[35:52] 199y um this is uh for period of end of
[35:57] September 24$
[36:00] 33156 I'm sorry could you say that more
[36:02] slowly please
[36:04] 3316 thank
[36:07] you that's what we
[36:09] SP and we're bringing this down to
[36:12] [Music]
[36:14] 220,000 no
[36:17] fires Marina was going to teach people
[36:20] not have
[36:25] fires have a fire just having ins
[36:30] right like said if you got to cut
[36:32] something we got to take away in one we
[36:34] got to take away
[36:36] something if you want something you got
[36:37] to take away from some else to me that
[36:40] seems one what I heard any other
[36:42] departments any question on on these um
[36:45] changes as of
[36:54] now any other there were
[36:59] more from last
[37:04] evening the salary list did you want to
[37:07] do the salary
[37:10] list I have I thought see I didn't make
[37:13] a lot of notes last night those I was
[37:15] looking at I saw you notes I think that
[37:18] was all the gas that was
[37:24] all what was the Sal list we're talking
[37:26] about
[37:29] gave that last night yeah you did that
[37:30] last
[37:37] night anyone has question on the salary
[37:43] list I think yeah I was going to touch
[37:46] in your um your questions now if nobody
[37:49] else has anything we'll just go straight
[37:51] into
[37:53] your in your documents today there is a
[38:00] [Music]
[38:02] page set a document reive today we have
[38:04] a page here a list of
[38:08] um
[38:16] questions that you're talking about yes
[38:18] we that yesterday unless there was
[38:20] anything we can address we'll address
[38:22] them okay and then the papers that we
[38:25] got today they were some questions and
[38:28] it I did print the question and attach
[38:29] it to the back
[38:34] [Music]
[38:38] up so should we take a minute to read
[38:40] through the paperwork yes go ahead we
[38:42] just started go ahead then we'll go
[38:44] through each of the U the
[38:47] questions we didn't get chance to answer
[38:49] all of them we get
[38:52] [Music]
[39:03] can you make a copy for
[39:05] the
[39:07] [Music]
[39:20] please this is just a question there's
[39:23] no answer right yeah no I think if you
[39:25] look at some of the backups here there
[39:26] were like to U Got answer the rest we'll
[39:31] just go through them
[39:34] maybe can address them or we'll
[39:38] just if not we'll just have to wait so
[39:42] we'll just go through them all right
[39:43] yeah we'll go through them whatever can
[39:44] answer today we'll answer if not we'll
[39:46] have to RIS it tomorrow
[39:54] [Music]
[40:15] Wonder
[40:34] [Music]
[40:36] if you turn to the same package that we
[40:38] received today there's a question
[40:53] [Music]
[41:05] so under revenue and it's I think it's a
[41:08] 2130
[41:10] F excessive
[41:13] um W collection fee so we we have a
[41:17] revenue in it against that but
[41:22] um
[41:24] 21 2130 21
[41:31] 130 so you will see that there's a
[41:33] $500,000
[41:35] there so aside for that Revenue
[41:39] L what page was that in R page
[41:43] Revenue
[41:45] page two almost to the bottom a 213 have
[41:51] oh I got
[41:54] it so committee people set up and um and
[41:59] review this over time um we need to act
[42:02] on it to move forward with to because
[42:05] it's there in budget so next Monday you
[42:08] will see an agenda item for us to
[42:11] discuss and move forward with um with
[42:14] this um program in terms of the Fe
[42:16] structure for um for this um
[42:23] line just a 213f the rest of we
[42:27] [Music]
[42:34] are we getting a policy or any documents
[42:36] or presentation yes there will be
[42:39] documents will be in the package for
[42:41] tomorrow and presentation may just want
[42:47] to any discussions with that
[42:50] [Music]
[42:54] apprciate I know your part you want to
[42:56] stand about
[42:59] it some of
[43:02] [Music]
[43:04] us was going to ask and we've decided or
[43:08] yes I I think the the the team decided
[43:11] to move forward with it on this point
[43:13] time and they can do a presentation on
[43:15] Monday and so call for a public hearing
[43:17] on the proposed
[43:20] uh I've kind of heard what you've heard
[43:23] which um I don't think we as far as I
[43:26] was in about there was nothing
[43:28] definitely put forward um I've heard
[43:30] what Mr lefant had to say at the meeting
[43:33] here I haven't been to one of the
[43:35] neighborhood meetings where he's for
[43:36] present um looking forward to the
[43:39] presentation um there were multiple
[43:41] things that we discussed a lot of
[43:45] different no I just want I just want to
[43:47] brief you on that because more more will
[43:49] be discussed Monday at the uh committee
[43:51] meeting but I just want to that' because
[43:54] um we have it in Revenue but we need to
[43:56] activate to to review it to make amend
[44:00] as possible how much we can and to um
[44:02] call for the public hearing and move
[44:03] forward so that we can adopt this until
[44:05] next year because it's in the
[44:07] budget so does that hold up the approval
[44:10] of the budget until we have the public
[44:12] hearing
[44:14] no but we just you know putting
[44:16] everything in line to make it happen
[44:20] it's the C it's on a council allow to
[44:21] act on it do we move forward what is
[44:24] recommended do we make changes it's up
[44:26] to us and us as a council we've really
[44:28] done
[44:29] nothing well I would't say that so
[44:34] low I say that so L because the
[44:36] committee was fored there was no
[44:38] recommendation from the committee to us
[44:40] until we um Anthony I been discussing it
[44:43] in terms of Revenue in terms of all
[44:46] these things we need to put them in
[44:47] place it's not in place what do we need
[44:49] to do we need to act and that's how this
[44:52] is coming forward so I think um it's not
[44:55] a blame game it's about some everybody
[44:57] has thing to do and um the committee
[44:59] worked really hard we have to give them
[45:01] credit we did and we now have to do our work so like we clean it
[45:08] up and move forward with
[45:11] in so Mr if it's already in the budget
[45:14] and this is not going to impact this
[45:16] budget so where is the 500 is that
[45:18] coming out of the fund balance right now
[45:20] what's how it's reflect in the budget I
[45:22] propose these changes would go forward
[45:24] to create a revenue stream that would
[45:26] equal
[45:28] $500,000 so right now but you just said
[45:31] that it wasn't in the budget so right
[45:33] now it's in the budget the budget is
[45:34] balanced so where is it where you
[45:36] presented it coming from at this moment
[45:38] it's balanced with an anticipation the
[45:40] way it comes antip yes we going to adopt
[45:43] this change and move forward so the
[45:46] finance because we are in a finance
[45:48] committee meeting we can't um because we
[45:51] have to have a public hearing about
[45:53] these changes we can't just okay so
[45:56] that's a timing that's a timing so we
[45:58] need to get this done before for of
[46:01] January I don't see how can we vote on
[46:03] the budget I guess I'm not really
[46:05] understanding how we can vote on this
[46:07] budget these figures we talked about it
[46:09] as it moveed forward we now looking to
[46:11] move it
[46:12] forward proposal that making changes in
[46:15] the code would generate
[46:17] $500,000 in revenues to go after those
[46:20] individuals that drive up the cost and
[46:25] increase our expenses
[46:28] if the council chose not to move forward
[46:31] in that I am very confident that I can
[46:33] generate $500,000 in Revenue with the
[46:36] current code it'll it'll require okay
[46:39] some reallocation of police uh use the
[46:43] snap Cruise other ones but nobody's
[46:46] garbage is in compliance so we'll do is
[46:48] we would site every house for
[46:50] $50 because the code is just out of date
[46:54] and it has not been changed and
[46:57] very easy to generate half million doll
[47:00] this would affect the budget because
[47:01] look at the police fees look at code Enforcement we budgeted for
[47:06] anticipated fee increase and revenue
[47:09] from various Department that will get
[47:12] implemented next year so we are just
[47:14] projecting ahead that this is going to
[47:16] happen next year so this is one of them
[47:19] okay unfortunately it's it's a little
[47:21] late but it's not too late for us to
[47:23] review and make our recommendation and
[47:26] follow because we need to adopt
[47:29] it and and not you know I know we're in
[47:32] finance but I think it's very important
[47:34] and imperative that we do this again as
[47:37] the mayor States our code is so outdated
[47:40] um it's in our code that that no bu
[47:41] guids are in there we all know we throw
[47:43] bulk items out so
[47:46] to to generate the $500,000 I think is
[47:50] feasible for this year's coming budget
[47:57] I'm just saying from my perspective it's
[47:59] presumptuous to assume that it's going
[48:02] to continue through with no additional
[48:04] hitches as we've already received an
[48:07] email from an individual speaking to how
[48:09] it's going to be implemented so I can
[48:12] understand the uh practicality and I
[48:14] appreciate the additional reassurances
[48:17] that regardless of how this proceeds the
[48:20] May was confident that he'll be able to
[48:22] recoup those funds which I think is a
[48:23] reassurance at least for me but duting
[48:25] with the STS to work that the committee
[48:27] has been doing there's an important
[48:29] segment that still needs to be done
[48:30] which is hearing from the community and
[48:32] also we haven't talked about again the
[48:34] email we received and how this is going
[48:36] to impact those individuals on the
[48:38] ground so the what would come forward
[48:40] Monday is a series of proposals still
[48:43] the discretion of the city council to
[48:46] modify those in a number of ways and
[48:51] again the goal is to some efficiency
[48:54] into the system and cover our current
[48:58] operating
[49:05] cost the O commissioner um will be will
[49:09] be at Monday's meeting to present this
[49:12] and you know we are sure to ask
[49:16] questions and so make
[49:18] changes yeah would we just be able to
[49:22] add that to projected revenue for this
[49:24] budget though it's already it's in there that's why it's like all the other agency like us police
[49:34] increase the code enforcement fee
[49:36] increase is already in there we just
[49:38] going through the process of calling the
[49:39] public hearing getting it done and
[49:41] adopting that resolution or ordinance
[49:44] and just okay do the pr portion of it
[49:47] and let people know that these things
[49:49] are out there and U defective things
[49:52] right what we're saying is that whether
[49:54] this moves forward or not out of that
[49:55] same department will be able to recoup
[49:57] the money based on the way things are
[49:59] existing right now if there were no
[50:01] changes
[50:02] that's yes it will be as Z impa
[50:05] regardless yeah but if if we implemented
[50:07] this and it's
[50:09] sucessful puts a lot of pressure on the
[50:11] city council to make quick
[50:15] changes literally every house is going
[50:18] to get sighted so yes everybody is not
[50:22] in compliance with regards to city code
[50:24] in terms of do we want to do that no so
[50:26] let's ask and you know bring bring some
[50:28] things into in line yeah I'm totally
[50:30] fine with this the pr segment is going
[50:33] to be out there to kind of notify people
[50:35] of these um
[50:36] [Music]
[50:38] changes so we'll have more I just want
[50:40] to bring that up to the council because
[50:41] it's part of the budget and as to you
[50:44] know not mention it because as I
[50:47] promised um last year budget is to look
[50:49] at all the fees and that's what I'm
[50:51] doing working with department head
[50:53] working with Finance working with the
[50:55] man to make sure that we bring all these
[50:57] Fe in line with today's um service the
[51:01] cost of
[51:03] service and know those are all the
[51:05] components unfortunately I wasn't on
[51:07] that committee but um you know as the
[51:09] finance chair I have to drive it to make
[51:11] sure that we we do not have hold in the
[51:17] budget and I'm sure that we're not going
[51:19] to uh Le use this as a process to
[51:22] leverage action from the city council
[51:24] I'm sure that the mayor is not saying
[51:26] that
[51:28] okay
[51:31] ni so
[51:34] no that's nice all right well we'll have
[51:39] more detail on that next Monday let's go
[51:41] through um the question you should have
[51:43] a shate Mr Williams um questions so
[51:47] we'll um we'll just go through each one
[51:50] and um if Mr Ferrari can answer if not
[51:53] far and come back tomorrow and and get
[51:57] the answer um for Mr Williams
[52:03] tomorrow um the first one is um a
[52:07] 8686 director of
[52:11] development 10% increase 24
[52:17] Sal um 10% increase with increase your
[52:21] salary from the May's proposed budget of
[52:24] 88,000 to 93,000
[52:27] 991
[52:31] 93,9
[52:35] 991 and just a reminder let let's um
[52:38] avoid any name attached to this let's
[52:40] deal with the um the
[52:52] position the next one is um a 8686
[52:56] zoning officer zoning officer at the
[52:59] mayor's proposed 2025 budget is uh at
[53:03] proposed salary at
[53:05] 66,800
[53:07] U and with the
[53:09] 657 it would go to
[53:14] 67,500 oh that's already written here
[53:18] y the next is a 8687 homes coordinator under the mayor's
[53:24] proposed budget his salary would be $
[53:27] 69,8
[53:29] 21 with the proposed for Mr Williams
[53:32] $179 to
[53:37] 7,000 that's even
[53:40] yeah again I think on this sheet that
[53:42] you
[53:45] just and then the next one is a410 City
[53:49] Park C cler under the mayor's proposed
[53:52] budget is
[53:54] $83,200 with 10 % increase it would go
[53:58] to
[54:00] 88,89 plus the
[54:03] $5,000 register would come to
[54:08] 93,94
[54:10] 938
[54:12] 93892 thank
[54:19] you and then the next question is the
[54:22] commissioner Finance recommend um may
[54:24] your discretionary fund to address
[54:25] future qualify applicant Deputy
[54:28] Commissioner Finance additional
[54:31] 15% I thought that that was just the way
[54:34] in which it was presented if we're
[54:35] trying to just have an adjustable means
[54:37] to respond to candidates the way it's
[54:40] been presented previously was that would
[54:41] be an appropriate
[54:45] use I didn't think I put
[54:50] anything what's this yeah I had a
[54:53] question on that and
[54:59] [Music]
[55:02] 15,000,000
[55:05] that's that's not for a salary that's
[55:07] for discretion for his travel the keys
[55:11] to the city all the other stuff so
[55:15] commissioner isn't that what we had to
[55:17] call it for for
[55:19] discretionary AR we had the AR we took
[55:22] it out put it out last year for for
[55:24] salaries so when I looked at it 10,000 I
[55:26] thought that was
[55:27] it yes so there's
[55:33] no
[55:36] [Music]
[55:49] 15,000,000
[55:52] take it
[55:54] out 95
[55:56] 958 49 4958 page of 18 in the
[56:02] book as you recall what happened tried
[56:05] to use it uh The Corporation Council T
[56:09] he can only use for his
[56:12] own St own Bureau and not for others so
[56:15] that's why we moved it into
[56:17] undistributed so we can move it for
[56:19] other people and then they we just took
[56:21] it away we just Tak zero yeah it's why
[56:23] some people AR employed by the city
[56:28] but if I can recall our conversations
[56:30] last year funds no everybody works for
[56:35] this let's let's not do that yeah sorry
[56:37] I thought let's let's um let's stay Focus go ahead please um
[56:43] Mr if I can recall from last year I I
[56:46] can remember that conversation but I
[56:48] thought we switched our Focus to saying
[56:50] that the mayor could use that
[56:52] discretionary fund line to achieve those
[56:54] same needs yes that's why it was move to
[56:56] this I remember I
[56:58] was
[57:00] away oh it's still
[57:03] funed no the discretionary fund is so
[57:06] that discre is not for there's
[57:09] [Music]
[57:12] no $1,000 in this year's budget but
[57:15] mostly mostly that
[57:17] 10,000 pla things for the city the
[57:20] proclamations all stuff that's
[57:23] what and there was 13,000
[57:27] in expense in 2023 yeah it was it was
[57:33] yeah was never able to I mean
[57:36] discretion well I will say reimbursed on
[57:39] something there
[57:42] so had to try to use that it didn't work
[57:45] out individual
[57:51] I yeah what is your take CS would like to
[57:57] see what
[57:58] 15% or
[58:00] something are some funding there yeah I
[58:04] totally got of that because I I looked
[58:06] at the the M discretionary M
[58:10] discretionary and that's
[58:12] $10,000 there still for that great and I
[58:15] say of the uses that are primarily used
[58:18] from Mr Ferrari that
[58:20] sign be 8 121 450 so I think with it
[58:26] being entitled discretionary I don't
[58:27] think we need to ask for an assessment
[58:29] of what's using those funds but again
[58:30] from last year I thought an appropriate
[58:33] use was in these instances similar to
[58:36] one that we're discussing right now with
[58:38] adjusting line so that's why I
[58:40] recommended it so so can I just ask
[58:43] question so are you saying that in your
[58:47] email today are you recommending that
[58:50] the mayor's discretionary fund is used
[58:54] to increase the of the commissioner
[58:57] Finance because that's the way I'm
[58:58] reading this in your email we're having
[59:00] this discussion because there is a
[59:03] potential that it is not going to be
[59:05] inappropriate uh the salary will not be
[59:08] enough to entice people to apply to that
[59:10] line I get we're not even in that
[59:12] situation yet so my response is if we
[59:14] are then in that position using an
[59:17] already allocated fund the discretionary
[59:20] fund to fill that
[59:22] cap so we would take we would take 314
[59:27] from the 10,000 and leave the rest of it
[59:30] for the mayor's discretionary fund is
[59:31] what you're recommending I'm just trying
[59:33] to clarify yeah no which would be less
[59:35] than what's currently allocated to that
[59:37] line so
[59:38] yes if we needed it except that what
[59:40] would we do to make up the rest of the
[59:42] expense like I'm saying last year
[59:44] $113,000 was spent on that line in as
[59:47] the mayor's discretionary fund so we
[59:50] would we would just have to figure out
[59:51] where would the rest of discretionary
[59:53] funds come if we were to use
[59:55] discretionary funding to increase the
[59:57] salary of the commissioner Finance I
[59:59] just want to clarify just but again we
[1:00:00] don't know if we'll need it so again
[1:00:02] we're talking about a
[1:00:03] hypothetical and then also the mayor's
[1:00:05] discretionary fund is year year to
[1:00:10] year are you could no I'm not confused
[1:00:13] at all I just want to ask the question
[1:00:14] what's it been used on has it did you
[1:00:16] use some of this was some of the
[1:00:18] discretionary For Hire or was it all for
[1:00:21] number um I want to know how so is it
[1:00:25] all for um
[1:00:26] giving out keys to the city and those
[1:00:28] kind of things cor none of it was used
[1:00:30] for salaries none of it was used to
[1:00:32] entice someone else
[1:00:34] to and most times if that situation
[1:00:39] occurs a position is vacant for a period
[1:00:42] of time so the council I use $10,000 as
[1:00:47] an
[1:00:47] example if well use 12,000 it's easier
[1:00:51] for the
[1:00:52] math if
[1:00:57] uh the position is
[1:01:00] open council's authorized
[1:01:03] $112,000 I haven't been able to hire
[1:01:05] somebody for two months I can actually
[1:01:09] pay them on an annual rate of
[1:01:12] $4,000 for the remainder of the year and
[1:01:16] then where that has occurred then I
[1:01:17] would come back to the council in the
[1:01:19] next budget and say we've hired so and
[1:01:21] so we had to pay a little bit more for
[1:01:24] it and make make the budget in the next
[1:01:27] year reflect what the actual salary
[1:01:30] is what's going I'm
[1:01:35] sorry that's the uh take back
[1:01:40] the that's right okay they didn't get a
[1:01:43] noise perm
[1:01:47] though come
[1:01:50] on
[1:01:52] so what what was it take away at this
[1:01:55] I'm just trying to get a number towards
[1:01:57] this line so we're looking like to 50 oh
[1:02:01] there is no discretionary line at this
[1:02:03] point in
[1:02:04] time sounds like it sounds like the
[1:02:07] council already has the prerogative and
[1:02:08] the mayor already has the ability to
[1:02:11] authorize that additional and it's a new
[1:02:14] Point there's all there most of the time
[1:02:17] there funding available in is L that now
[1:02:20] said they shift like or I come back to
[1:02:23] the city council and say I've got to
[1:02:26] hire somebody and I
[1:02:31] need 10,000
[1:02:34] bucks
[1:02:35] mhm we have done that in the past many
[1:02:38] times budget re
[1:02:41] appropriation and the line was not
[1:02:43] technically overspent last year that
[1:02:46] was
[1:02:48] uh Jamaican power system asked me to go
[1:02:52] to Jamaica as part of the Smart City
[1:02:54] conference
[1:02:56] [Music]
[1:02:57] and I paid for it from the city and then
[1:03:00] they reimbursed the city for that
[1:03:04] expense so it looks like we overspent
[1:03:07] the line but in fact there's more
[1:03:09] Revenue coming in to offset those
[1:03:11] expenses that happed in past years where
[1:03:15] myself and John kucho N National
[1:03:18] Institute is technology was a routine
[1:03:21] speaker at some of their
[1:03:23] events they would pay my expens to
[1:03:27] go despite all of that I mean what is
[1:03:31] the do we want to put back down I'll put
[1:03:34] back for you want to put $15,000 to the
[1:03:37] plan $20,000 to the plan and half day
[1:03:39] available to the man you mean the
[1:03:41] recruitment line not the discretionary
[1:03:47] yeah and that would be yes the May
[1:03:50] recruitment f
[1:03:55] table because the question asked I'm
[1:03:57] okay not adding that back in again I
[1:03:59] don't think we need to do anything
[1:04:04] okay so you suggesting leing the salary
[1:04:07] with just a 3% and then when somebody
[1:04:09] else is higher than a comes back to
[1:04:12] it yes it's going to be
[1:04:14] clear so that's the
[1:04:22] commiss the next one is um a 2120
[1:04:26] -200 and
[1:04:31] 203 one more time
[1:04:34] 8312 oh that's for
[1:04:37] uh uh Alliance the
[1:04:41] police
[1:04:42] 831 uh that's for receiving the grants
[1:04:45] yeah yes so you should have you should
[1:04:47] have a document a answer to that
[1:04:51] question back up Mr skipped over the
[1:04:54] deputy position
[1:04:56] at the bottom did I
[1:04:59] yes sorry let's go back up sorry okay
[1:05:04] Deputy Commissioner
[1:05:06] Finance additional
[1:05:11] 15% okay the mayor's uh proposed budget
[1:05:15] was
[1:05:17] 120,000 and at 15% of the 24 salary come
[1:05:21] to
[1:05:22] 92,000 Ethan
[1:05:25] I
[1:05:29] correct um so so then I know you've
[1:05:33] talked about a lot someone just going to
[1:05:34] say that loud so when then when you
[1:05:37] retire the assumption would be that the
[1:05:40] current Deputy would move up and would
[1:05:43] they come in at that
[1:05:47] salary since I know that when we hire
[1:05:50] people that are you know aren't
[1:05:52] employees that they may come in a lower
[1:05:54] salary but if it's an existing employee
[1:05:56] would you bring them in the same salary
[1:05:58] as the employee that's leaving and
[1:06:01] haven't been in that
[1:06:03] department don't have a position on that
[1:06:05] it's when the situation actually
[1:06:07] occurs evaluate it take it
[1:06:16] appropriate should you're not going be
[1:06:18] able to get anybody at a
[1:06:21] 133,000 the truth
[1:06:26] you're
[1:06:28] not well again but for the Deputy
[1:06:30] Commissioner I mean I guess I would say
[1:06:32] that we're not going to get anybody for
[1:06:34] 824 or 92 I don't know but I'm just
[1:06:36] saying um is that what you're saying yes
[1:06:39] that's that's why we propose that
[1:06:44] have because you know you know being the
[1:06:48] commissioner Director of Finance is not
[1:06:50] it's a very difficult job you know and
[1:06:53] uh I you trade together for a while but
[1:06:56] he does need a backup it's somebody
[1:06:58] who's who's capable capable of helping
[1:07:02] him and call forward
[1:07:05] too so Mr Williams's um suggestion is
[1:07:09] sort of in the
[1:07:10] middle of those two
[1:07:17] figures I would say the minimum for
[1:07:19] Deputy Commissioner has to be at least
[1:07:21] 100,000
[1:07:28] sorry sorry who Mar oh
[1:07:33] Mar 120,000 is what we've thought 100 I
[1:07:36] think the minimum you could go for
[1:07:39] 100,000 I'm just going to get something
[1:07:42] experience is D in this room
[1:07:47] yes we got send
[1:07:52] D all right I would say hearing that we
[1:07:55] were able to readjust the money that was
[1:07:58] originally appropriated to the Deputy
[1:08:00] Commissioner Finance I I would be an
[1:08:03] agreement with that say that say that
[1:08:06] again $100,000 so if the original ask
[1:08:08] was for an additional 32,000 37,000 if
[1:08:11] we can take into consideration all of
[1:08:13] the management raises these risk
[1:08:14] recommendations if it was still able to
[1:08:16] be captured without any additional
[1:08:19] movement within the budget I would be
[1:08:22] responsive to the $100,000 that the
[1:08:24] commissioner just
[1:08:31] is somebody making notes on on that side
[1:08:35] there so so we're looking at in the dep
[1:08:39] commiss of Finance going from0 to
[1:08:41] 100 that is what suggested right on the
[1:08:44] [Music]
[1:08:46] table
[1:08:49] discussed we now have 824 92 or 100 yeah
[1:08:57] all right the next one is a
[1:09:00] a320-200 and
[1:09:03] 203 and that's the
[1:09:06] P there is an email
[1:09:10] [Music]
[1:09:24] from keep track of
[1:09:29] this so this is the answer
[1:09:34] to a
[1:09:35] [Music]
[1:09:42] 31223 it's
[1:09:46] [Music]
[1:10:04] response or you need anything additional
[1:10:08] to
[1:10:20] [Music]
[1:10:22] this okay the next one is A3
[1:10:26] 31-100 is it 100 um correct no that's
[1:10:30] not correct should be 200 200 I saw the
[1:10:32] emails
[1:10:34] back yes yes so you should have you
[1:10:37] should have an email from also all that
[1:10:40] just for
[1:10:44] that is that a Brian
[1:10:48] [Music]
[1:10:54] Canon find his response to that ion this
[1:10:58] is um a
[1:11:01] 5132 go ahead please so I was going to
[1:11:04] say it wasn't a mistake during the
[1:11:06] conversation discussion about the future
[1:11:10] so our upcoming budget year and how one
[1:11:13] of the positions was designated this
[1:11:15] year as ARA funding and the conversation
[1:11:18] was how do you propose funding this line
[1:11:21] in the future to which the respon is
[1:11:23] potential EV funding streams so my
[1:11:25] question simply was is there any ability
[1:11:28] for us to try and capture that funding
[1:11:30] for this year's budget to offset that
[1:11:32] line the answer was no but it was not a
[1:11:34] mistake on my oh sorry yeah yeah I
[1:11:35] remember you asked that question and yes
[1:11:37] that question was asked yes sorry
[1:11:44] yeah so may going forward in terms of
[1:11:47] funding revenue from the target station
[1:11:51] is that something in the future
[1:11:57] oh the some of the charging stations we
[1:12:00] have to provide free
[1:12:03] electricity other ones we're charging
[1:12:05] for but really it's at the level to
[1:12:07] cover our expenses for so it's not going
[1:12:10] to be this point a big Revenue
[1:12:18] Source yeah and I remember Brian did say
[1:12:21] that now the the DC charges station
[1:12:25] that's looking to put in
[1:12:31] on
[1:12:33] yri those had the potential generating
[1:12:37] positive
[1:12:40] Revenue the reality is the lead time for
[1:12:44] that
[1:12:45] is like 9 months so you're not going to
[1:12:49] see that installs those are half no
[1:12:52] installations
[1:12:55] 34 of the way through next
[1:13:00] year
[1:13:03] that's budget money based that that is a note for
[1:13:20] budet
[1:13:23] okay that
[1:13:26] yes the next one is a
[1:13:29] 5132
[1:13:33] d460 you know prob did not give answer
[1:13:36] back but he did call me and he asked me
[1:13:39] just you know what they mean by that
[1:13:41] exactly what it says he says that you
[1:13:44] know as of right now because our cars
[1:13:46] are so new you know they're warranted
[1:13:49] Tak to the a warranty the dealership for
[1:13:53] a warranty but he say you know they're
[1:13:55] very considerate doing this because as
[1:13:57] we are gaining more cars as we want to
[1:14:01] give staff to uh train we can't train
[1:14:03] them he says CU nobody in our staff
[1:14:05] knows about it send them you know one at
[1:14:09] a time to training you look at it's
[1:14:12] going probably be within the future he
[1:14:14] not that for
[1:14:17] 2025 it was a very good
[1:14:20] question just do you know where that
[1:14:23] train where locally do that training I I
[1:14:26] think I think uh just like how the uh
[1:14:32] the dealerships their guys get trained I
[1:14:34] think there's places where we would hon
[1:14:37] Valley has some training in that area
[1:14:41] it's an emerging market so I don't know
[1:14:44] to what
[1:14:46] degree Poli exp
[1:14:49] for that's sending people there we have
[1:14:53] Professor something come here
[1:15:07] [Music]
[1:15:18] okay
[1:15:19] 7310 you have a question
[1:15:22] no yeah a 73 10-
[1:15:28] 41A requesting local
[1:15:31] business allowed to apply with the with
[1:15:34] the youth employment
[1:15:36] opportunity that's a youth program
[1:15:40] allocation I think it's a good idea
[1:15:43] forar will be first in line I think it's
[1:15:46] a good idea too we
[1:15:49] can the question I think is broadly
[1:15:52] discusses not only City Hall to work
[1:15:55] help dependent work BR to help with work
[1:15:58] put placement into other business it's a
[1:16:01] good
[1:16:02] idea I I like I agree with that idea um
[1:16:06] I'd also like to see us um you know
[1:16:10] increase that that line in order to ACC
[1:16:13] accompany that right um I did ask for
[1:16:15] ash we to dat but 50,000 56,000 56,000
[1:16:20] out of 150,000 so we're about 0 we don't
[1:16:24] have any outstanding um any outstanding
[1:16:26] invoices from the school
[1:16:29] district the city so that's all we spent
[1:16:31] was 50,000 56,000 out of the 150 from
[1:16:36] last
[1:16:37] year so there was there would have been
[1:16:39] an opportunity than to have young people
[1:16:42] in other places outside of City Hall um
[1:16:45] long time ago to do the program through
[1:16:48] um wellts they put young all over
[1:16:53] including like MP alties and all that
[1:16:56] but also in um private businesses and
[1:16:58] things like that so um I agree I think
[1:17:01] that's something that we could explore
[1:17:04] again go ahead please I think it's a
[1:17:06] good idea actually also um certainly I
[1:17:08] know from my pre-retirement um I would
[1:17:12] have loved to have had the opportunity
[1:17:13] to hire somebody and have somebody else
[1:17:15] pay for it no seriously no I'm just
[1:17:18] saying I mean I think it's a really good
[1:17:19] idea and then plus there's kids that
[1:17:21] there's youth that have different career
[1:17:23] interests so it really is a nice
[1:17:26] partnership with whether it's businesses
[1:17:28] whether it's nonprofits it would be a
[1:17:30] good idea in terms of what uh president
[1:17:33] Porterfield just said didn't we last
[1:17:36] year give some money to sjta to thought
[1:17:41] we did years last two
[1:17:44] years but we're not considering that
[1:17:46] this year I guess I don't 2025 I think
[1:17:49] that's what they asked to the table is
[1:17:51] toes have it plug no
[1:17:57] ask Anthony where money that went
[1:18:00] usjt we put money into the county
[1:18:03] program I don't know this year they
[1:18:06] didn't give us anything they didn't give
[1:18:09] us any
[1:18:10] bills but that's the line that that
[1:18:12] would is that the line that that would
[1:18:14] have come out of yes okay I just wanted
[1:18:17] to make sure that we're still doing
[1:18:18] that yeah the question is do we have do
[1:18:22] we have enough money and I think I asked
[1:18:26] it's back here look at the today is
[1:18:29] $56,000 and if all that was spent to
[1:18:31] kind of the youth employment in City
[1:18:34] Hall so we're talking about
[1:18:37] 94,000 Sor so we're looking about
[1:18:40] $94,000 of if we were to imply them back
[1:18:44] at City Hall and the parks another 50
[1:18:47] $60,000 so we're looking at um you know
[1:18:50] $90,000 there available to help out out
[1:18:55] of
[1:18:55] business I don't think that's
[1:18:58] enough I I was just wondering why we
[1:19:01] didn't spend the whole amount of money
[1:19:02] in other words what you're saying is the
[1:19:04] county didn't didn't I know again I want
[1:19:07] to say in the city some in the summer
[1:19:11] programs did
[1:19:12] not take off the way I thought they were
[1:19:15] going to and could
[1:19:19] construction uh there may have been some
[1:19:22] things that Chris L hired that have been
[1:19:25] charged out of other accounts so that
[1:19:29] number might
[1:19:31] be
[1:19:33] uh a little high in terms of what is
[1:19:36] actually there it's not significant
[1:19:39] might be 5,000 bucks
[1:19:41] but go ahead um can Mr Farley bring me
[1:19:45] back to I think your first year of
[1:19:47] council that was there were a whole
[1:19:50] bunch of students that you hired or not
[1:19:53] you person on the city 2022 we did a was
[1:19:56] a partnership with the city and the
[1:19:59] school district right so was the county
[1:20:01] yes okay was this this line or no
[1:20:04] yes what did we do you recall what we
[1:20:07] spent that
[1:20:09] year
[1:20:14] [Music]
[1:20:17] it
[1:20:19] 14,2 they they really utilize that money
[1:20:23] that2
[1:20:25] yeah right and I think so initially um
[1:20:29] during cuz now you're kind of triggering
[1:20:30] my memory here that there was
[1:20:32] conversation around whether uh the
[1:20:35] county was the appropriate partner or
[1:20:37] something that we wanted to bring more
[1:20:39] inhouse so I don't know if that Dynamic
[1:20:42] shifted and which is why we would see
[1:20:44] you know go from spending uh 140,000
[1:20:49] to to 50,000 so I don't know if that you
[1:20:52] know that it was a promat programmatic
[1:20:55] change that could have happened because
[1:20:56] are we do this year are we still
[1:20:58] partnering with the
[1:21:00] county well then that that exp happened
[1:21:03] to our person who was
[1:21:06] running Park store yeah he had left will
[1:21:10] left don't happen since then that's what
[1:21:15] happened to go ahead please well no I
[1:21:17] think I mean I think um whether we leave
[1:21:19] it at 150 or if we add more money I
[1:21:22] think it's really valuable I mean I
[1:21:24] don't we never know whether actually
[1:21:26] youth um you know just again based on my
[1:21:30] when I was working but I mean sometimes
[1:21:31] we had trouble recruiting youth even
[1:21:33] through
[1:21:34] sjta um they sometimes have trouble um I
[1:21:38] think right not anymore maybe maybe I
[1:21:41] mean this is I'm talking about when I
[1:21:42] was working so so I mean but I mean I
[1:21:44] think it's a really valuable program I I
[1:21:47] really can't emphasize that enough so
[1:21:51] whether we stay at 150 or whether we add
[1:21:53] money but again if we add money we have
[1:21:54] to take money away from someplace else
[1:21:56] there is no doubt it's a very successful
[1:21:58] program and to to kind of like getting
[1:22:00] bu you out there into the into the
[1:22:03] working environment because if we can
[1:22:04] recall in 2022 when Dr zaka came here
[1:22:08] and did a presentation after the the
[1:22:10] work program and he was like telling us
[1:22:12] that these business were asking these
[1:22:15] you to come back and to do parttime
[1:22:17] because of the work ethics they were
[1:22:19] developing at a point in time those are things that you know hit you
[1:22:24] to see that that we continue to fund
[1:22:25] them and that's why I always ask and all
[1:22:27] of us none of us are asking to to get
[1:22:29] rid that we're asking to can help it but
[1:22:32] at the same time we need to spread it
[1:22:34] and utilize it so so I think there need
[1:22:38] to be a more a more broader partnership
[1:22:40] with the city the parks department City
[1:22:42] Hall parks department and the part of
[1:22:45] business in um in the city yeah I think
[1:22:47] you definitely need to expand it beyond
[1:22:49] that um working for the cities want to
[1:22:51] focus on um working in the Parks depends
[1:22:55] on what you like I think there's so many
[1:22:57] other opportunities and so many other
[1:22:59] industries that are emerging young
[1:23:01] people can gain skills and like you said
[1:23:03] if you had a business and you didn't
[1:23:04] have to pay somebody but you could they
[1:23:06] get training and then you get some extra
[1:23:08] help and like I said there's emerging
[1:23:09] things that young people are really
[1:23:10] interested in that um we have those
[1:23:13] companies yeah like I don't know does
[1:23:15] anybody work in the it it Department
[1:23:17] this year I think that would be a great
[1:23:20] place to
[1:23:21] work we did not have
[1:23:25] people worked in the
[1:23:29] it those are sensitive
[1:23:32] Department we have to
[1:23:34] have Cy security sensitive Department
[1:23:37] you can't have parttime or or people who
[1:23:40] are inter there they St I think this is calling for a more discussion
[1:23:47] and to bring in um players into this uh
[1:23:51] to kind
[1:23:52] of you know profile a u a plan how do we
[1:23:56] um involve everybody funding was there
[1:23:59] funding is there next
[1:24:01] year I don't I don't think the funding
[1:24:03] is adequate that's what I'm saying as
[1:24:05] you see we didn't spent 150 no no so for clear because the money wasn't spent
[1:24:12] does not mean that the need is not there
[1:24:15] I would I would there lot of need we
[1:24:17] that I know absolutely so so the point
[1:24:19] of this process is as to we assess the
[1:24:21] need then we respond in kind and what
[1:24:23] I'm suggesting and what I don't think we
[1:24:25] need uh even though I like collaboration
[1:24:28] and partnership I don't think we need
[1:24:29] other people to come in here to tell us
[1:24:31] that our youth need uh greater
[1:24:32] investment in our youth um so I think
[1:24:35] that that's a pretty that's a simple
[1:24:36] position that I'm pretty confident in
[1:24:38] taking and saying I think that we need
[1:24:39] to respond and I think that we need to
[1:24:42] uh boost that budget and and it seems
[1:24:44] like the mechanism has changed from
[1:24:47] having a partner with a broader reach
[1:24:49] and then that partner is no longer a
[1:24:50] part of it and I think that that would
[1:24:52] be reflect more of why we're at
[1:24:54] the number that we're at not the need of
[1:24:56] the youth kids need employment this is
[1:24:59] actually to um and I definitely credit a
[1:25:02] city council and the mayor for this this
[1:25:03] was the first time the city actually um
[1:25:06] this is usually a county thing um so
[1:25:08] this the first time we did this was you
[1:25:10] know the city um taking some ownership
[1:25:13] in that process and I think that it was
[1:25:15] extremely successful and we could tell
[1:25:17] about the climate of our community these
[1:25:18] things are needed more and more so yeah
[1:25:20] I think it is a serious consideration I
[1:25:22] don't need I don't know that we need a
[1:25:23] whole bunch of
[1:25:24] uh further research to know that so I
[1:25:27] think that that's something that I'm
[1:25:28] willing to look at and I think I welcome
[1:25:30] my colleagues to do so as
[1:25:32] well and the evidence is there when we
[1:25:35] had the larger partnership back in 22
[1:25:37] that we spent almost all money so so and
[1:25:41] I back to broader discussion with all of
[1:25:44] us including the mayor to bring the
[1:25:46] players to the table and say
[1:25:47] okay we need to expand this we need to
[1:25:50] utilize the funding whatever the number
[1:25:52] is and let's maximize it to benefit
[1:25:55] the use okay we we're going to be able
[1:25:56] to do that before the budget no we don't
[1:25:59] can we pass the budget and then we bring
[1:26:01] those and and then we set the me and you
[1:26:03] on the same page that's what I'm saying
[1:26:05] let's allocate the funds and then
[1:26:06] programmatic
[1:26:08] decisioning start implenting how do we
[1:26:10] move forward to spending yeah so how
[1:26:12] much are we
[1:26:15] allocating Council will we making those
[1:26:18] decisions right now or are we still
[1:26:20] going
[1:26:21] through did like how Anthony came back
[1:26:24] for the draft of whatever we had
[1:26:26] suggested it's not something that we had
[1:26:28] agreed on it suggested changes from the
[1:26:30] yesterday so something this where just
[1:26:32] you know kind of like brainstorming and
[1:26:35] trying to put some numbers against these
[1:26:37] lines to see where we are remember when
[1:26:40] ask you have to take yes that's what
[1:26:42] saying that's what you did here it's
[1:26:44] more of a for us look that seems to be
[1:26:47] the case in every budget line right
[1:26:49] every l so this one's no different okay
[1:26:51] whatever you're taking out whatever
[1:26:52] you're adding you have to take on
[1:26:53] something
[1:26:55] y we should ask do I do I have a do I
[1:26:58] have a suggested am like to see i' like
[1:27:01] to see another $100,000 in that L what
[1:27:04] are you I said I would like to see
[1:27:06] another $100,000 in that L to make add
[1:27:08] to 250
[1:27:11] yep well at the same time you know we
[1:27:13] put you on the spot we need to look at
[1:27:16] um where is a
[1:27:19] 100,000 coming from but you know I'm
[1:27:22] just that
[1:27:24] you can go uh we have some work no no
[1:27:26] I'm with you I mean I just think that we
[1:27:29] every time we talk about adding that's
[1:27:30] the same formula we have to use right
[1:27:33] I'm fully aware has to be an in and out
[1:27:35] fully aware you say that every time we
[1:27:38] talk about soad please the lifeguards
[1:27:41] are in a different place I just want to
[1:27:42] point that out so we do also hire youth
[1:27:46] um um boys and girls that's a contract
[1:27:50] to the boys and
[1:27:51] girls those are funding already going to
[1:27:58] say there's one also hired at the golf
[1:28:01] course summer but I think so too this
[1:28:06] ER because Matt D was looking for sum
[1:28:09] but again
[1:28:10] that wasn't charged out of this money
[1:28:13] but it was kind of conceptually
[1:28:15] something that should have been there
[1:28:17] you need to reappropriate those money
[1:28:20] you need to put them in the rightful um
[1:28:22] line
[1:28:30] leave it in golf if it's in golf I agree
[1:28:33] but I think we're all it sounds to me
[1:28:35] like we're all in agreement that we want
[1:28:37] to support youth employment yeah so I
[1:28:39] just I think we can move on but so we're
[1:28:41] all in agreement with my
[1:28:43] $100,000 the whole thing first okay I'm
[1:28:46] just
[1:28:47] one go ahead please so question all
[1:28:51] right all right we were talking about
[1:28:53] potential and there's a probably good
[1:28:55] chance right some of the Opera money
[1:28:56] will be coming back yeah and and we're
[1:28:58] looking at changing up this program a
[1:29:01] bit right in the Partnerships so that
[1:29:04] would be a source excellent source and
[1:29:07] then see how we do for that year and
[1:29:09] then fund it the following year if it
[1:29:11] goes well at that same amount I I I
[1:29:15] think that's an excellent suggestion
[1:29:17] because if we take back money um from
[1:29:19] arer I believe that this would be a
[1:29:21] legitimate use of arur
[1:29:24] because we have I think yeah but I think
[1:29:27] that all these prog all these program
[1:29:30] questions you
[1:29:31] know we can address after we pass a
[1:29:35] budget but um you know it's a it's a
[1:29:39] good suggestion but I think what was
[1:29:40] discussed um the last couple U meetings
[1:29:42] is that we it's funded by arpa currently
[1:29:46] so we're looking I made a suggestion to
[1:29:48] fund it permanently in the budget next
[1:29:50] year because our is going away so next
[1:29:52] year we would not be with the blue line
[1:29:55] it will be coming out directly from the
[1:29:58] general fund for thisth employment BL
[1:30:01] line so what
[1:30:03] I we an agreement to what
[1:30:08] 250,000 it will have to be per meance in
[1:30:10] the budget funding from general fund
[1:30:14] again and I know you guys get sick of me
[1:30:15] putting on my fundraising hat but nobody anybody in any case this is
[1:30:22] something when we look at overall we
[1:30:24] finished going through all these
[1:30:25] questions but I mean again it would be a
[1:30:27] staff not us but um you know I think
[1:30:30] there's ways to raise money um to make
[1:30:34] up some of that money as well for for
[1:30:35] something like that I could see that we
[1:30:37] might have businesses or whatever that
[1:30:40] might make donations into a fund that
[1:30:42] was funding empy that's a good because
[1:30:45] if we're if we're if we're sending
[1:30:47] employment parttime employment to them
[1:30:49] at some point in time they can make a
[1:30:51] donation toward a program or
[1:30:55] y see coming in good keep that
[1:30:59] hot half the salary another thing that
[1:31:02] is that we have to look at is that how
[1:31:04] does this impact you know and drive down
[1:31:07] cost in other areas once you have youth
[1:31:09] with less idle time um yes and that and
[1:31:12] that's and the other point that we want
[1:31:13] to consider is that that money that's um
[1:31:16] going into youth is likely going to
[1:31:17] recirculate within our local economy so
[1:31:19] there's a couple variables that we have
[1:31:21] to really consider when we're making
[1:31:22] that decision good those new points I
[1:31:24] think my $100,000 suggestion was a
[1:31:26] little low so we'll revisit that we get
[1:31:30] there a little little low on that
[1:31:32] actually
[1:31:34] so okay it is noted we have notes umy um
[1:31:40] we're taking notes of these um suggested
[1:31:43] numbers
[1:31:46] sest we're not asking for change the
[1:31:48] point time just to kind of like put that
[1:31:50] on
[1:31:51] paper now
[1:31:54] the next one is um Revenue a213
[1:31:58] D I spoke to Paul about these he says
[1:32:01] the city we in negotiations with the
[1:32:03] towns
[1:32:06] of
[1:32:07] [Music]
[1:32:09] Miss scoa and
[1:32:12] Scotia so not we are in negotiations
[1:32:16] right now with those for water
[1:32:18] and
[1:32:20] okay and not sure we actually open negot
[1:32:24] yeah I don't think we discuss this in um
[1:32:27] session so if there's more if there's if
[1:32:30] there if we need to elaborate on this I
[1:32:32] think we need to at the
[1:32:35] end yeah we need to go in executive
[1:32:37] session and conclude
[1:32:40] um Mr Willi would you like more
[1:32:42] discussion on this as to where they
[1:32:44] are we
[1:32:47] canate okay so we'll we'll then do that
[1:32:50] like we did last night and then go and
[1:32:53] you will
[1:32:54] we'll get some more information the next
[1:32:55] one is um Gulf CR 2025 M right before I
[1:33:00] came to the meeting Matt sent me a
[1:33:03] message did i s was I can't remember no
[1:33:07] but I you said the breakdown membership
[1:33:10] is 50% of City residents and 50%
[1:33:14] nonresidents on seasonal membership um
[1:33:18] and he also says uh the
[1:33:21] rounds 22,000 rounds for non
[1:33:24] residents 6,000 rounds from
[1:33:29] residents
[1:33:31] that regular rounds whole starts for the
[1:33:34] season 9 18 whole rounds over
[1:33:37] overwhelming non-resident with
[1:33:38] approximately 22,000 rounds coming from
[1:33:41] non-residents Ando 6,000 coming from
[1:33:44] residents
[1:33:54] you says you have
[1:33:55] that can you share that I will pass it
[1:33:58] on to it was just when I was leaving to
[1:34:00] members
[1:34:04] [Music]
[1:34:05] yeah don't that's I think that's all
[1:34:08] your question
[1:34:10] U we didn't miss
[1:34:13] anything uh I know for this question
[1:34:16] specifically those so deling a little
[1:34:17] deeper I know I'm not necessarily a
[1:34:19] golfer but trying to identify other
[1:34:21] segments in the community to see if we
[1:34:23] can boost membership uh or see if there
[1:34:26] are other concerned efforts we can make
[1:34:28] you can contribute a significant amount
[1:34:31] of arpa dollars to
[1:34:32] this one area of the city um and I think
[1:34:36] trying to look or evaluate ways to
[1:34:38] increase partnership from our local
[1:34:40] residents is important but without that
[1:34:43] uh truth data that Mr Farley always
[1:34:45] highlights we might not be aware of any
[1:34:47] additional efforts we need to make to
[1:34:49] entice some of the
[1:34:51] communities I will say kids on a on the
[1:34:55] golf course uh with uh uh shout out to
[1:34:58] Brian Le better he's had a group of
[1:35:00] young men um who actually is a golf team
[1:35:03] now um and it's it was really really
[1:35:06] interesting and really great to see so
[1:35:09] but yes we would like to I agree with
[1:35:10] you Mr Williams that's something we want
[1:35:12] to increase Mr yeah just that school
[1:35:16] district did not have a golf team is now
[1:35:19] reconstituted it uh and I tried to hire
[1:35:24] one of the
[1:35:25] kids now my m is coming back for the
[1:35:27] golf course and he had
[1:35:30] other uh opportunities so it's
[1:35:34] nothing it's all good but just that is
[1:35:37] how do you get people uh taking
[1:35:39] advantage of you know whether it's the
[1:35:41] golf course the swimming pool the a
[1:35:44] diamond uh basketball courts the amities
[1:35:48] that we have within the city so that uh
[1:35:51] and they can uh hopefully turn it into
[1:35:54] lifetime Pursuits
[1:35:57] yeah I mean this is something that we
[1:35:59] can have on M back at some point in time
[1:36:02] a committee meeting to talk about that U
[1:36:05] this good points that you're you're
[1:36:07] bringing up there and I think they do
[1:36:09] come for every year to kind of like look
[1:36:11] at fees almost every year as as they
[1:36:13] been here and they will come and they
[1:36:16] will suggest that we increase the fee at
[1:36:17] the same time tell us you know what's
[1:36:19] happening over there and their your
[1:36:21] competitors
[1:36:25] we can
[1:36:27] talk not talking about playing all I was
[1:36:30] supposed to play today but never made it
[1:36:32] but anyway um we had a pretty hefty uh P
[1:36:36] increase uh for season passes I think
[1:36:39] two years ago um which affected I think
[1:36:42] a lot of our residents so um as far as
[1:36:44] the fee pce but I'm just so proud of our
[1:36:47] course and what we have to offer that
[1:36:49] 22,000 nonresidents are coming to play
[1:36:53] um and
[1:36:55] um as far as putting amount the amount
[1:36:58] of resources we did into into this
[1:37:01] course the the 3 million for irrigation
[1:37:03] which will only I think improve
[1:37:05] residents and non-residents and light
[1:37:07] coming in but we've also spent a whole
[1:37:09] lot of money in different parts of the
[1:37:10] city um where you know there's not much
[1:37:13] revenue that comes in from there so
[1:37:16] again I think it was a huge asset of
[1:37:19] what we put in there and I'm proud of
[1:37:21] what the city's done what we've done and
[1:37:24] it will continue I think to be a big
[1:37:26] very large Revenue Source moving forward
[1:37:28] so thank you I would throw out to the
[1:37:31] council ceremonial role mayor is opening
[1:37:34] the golf course I drive up the first and
[1:37:37] have been challenged by of
[1:37:41] Team generally the mayor doesn't do too
[1:37:45] well and so I would open that up
[1:37:49] to challenge the city council when we
[1:37:51] open it up and we can all
[1:37:53] [Music]
[1:37:55] we all have our strengths that is not
[1:37:58] one of mine that is not one of
[1:38:01] mine we will we will take our our
[1:38:03] training
[1:38:05] lessons I will I will come and laugh at
[1:38:08] you guys when the kids kick your butt
[1:38:09] but I will not they do I will not
[1:38:12] participate well I just want to say I
[1:38:14] mean again I am not a golfer as Mr
[1:38:17] William said but it's just you know I
[1:38:19] spend a lot of time talking with Matt
[1:38:21] and just because my health and
[1:38:22] Recreation role here but um it's an
[1:38:25] amazing course I have so many friends
[1:38:27] that are golfers who just talk again I
[1:38:30] can't speak for myself but you know that
[1:38:32] it's such an excellent course that it
[1:38:34] Rivals private private clubs so I just
[1:38:36] think Matt does you know an amazing job
[1:38:38] and I also want to say we have a really
[1:38:40] active golf advisory committee as well
[1:38:43] and they are very committed to the to to
[1:38:46] the course and they you know they're
[1:38:48] just a really active group of volunteers
[1:38:49] as well no I just so add to that I the
[1:38:53] golf we have invest a lot of money into
[1:38:54] the parks and I mean yeah aggressive
[1:38:57] approach from the mayor from us on you
[1:39:00] know the department so all of part
[1:39:01] seeing a lot of investment and they're
[1:39:04] generating Revenue to because people are
[1:39:05] paying fees uh you know for certain
[1:39:08] things to to use the facility so all
[1:39:11] these things are you know coming into
[1:39:13] place and development are happening
[1:39:15] across the city in terms of facility
[1:39:17] that people can
[1:39:19] use and um you know benefit from and at
[1:39:22] the same time we Genera take some
[1:39:23] Revenue to help offset cost I just want
[1:39:26] to clarify so um are you saying that Mr
[1:39:28] Charo that that the fee increase was
[1:39:32] prohibited for some residents you felt
[1:39:34] like we had a drop off there I I I
[1:39:36] seriously do I do um I don't I think it
[1:39:39] if it was huge not huge I'm sorry don't
[1:39:44] say and I think
[1:39:47] doubled well let's be clear it's not the
[1:39:51] fee to play Just Around golf it is the
[1:39:55] season pass and I will tell you that is one of the best
[1:40:00] values in the capital region yeah that
[1:40:03] was yeah so I was I was about to say
[1:40:06] that because when Matt came to us he was
[1:40:07] saying that our fee is regardless of him
[1:40:10] raising it up it's still below our
[1:40:12] competitors around the capital region
[1:40:14] and we offer more the best
[1:40:18] facility it it was a season pass and I I
[1:40:21] do know quite a few people reached out
[1:40:23] to me that they had to drop their season
[1:40:25] pass membership they they could go out
[1:40:27] and
[1:40:28] play four times a day if they want it
[1:40:31] 365 days year of course was open but
[1:40:34] some of them are there
[1:40:36] 36 they get their money's worth but it
[1:40:38] was it was quite an investment too a
[1:40:43] lot there's it's a good point and I
[1:40:46] don't know the number what is it
[1:40:48] $1,500 yeah yeah so pay $1,500 and then
[1:40:52] you can basically play whenever you
[1:40:54] want as opposed to going up and paying
[1:40:57] for the the 18 holes I and I think it
[1:41:01] was maybe 800
[1:41:03] prior so it was but we approved it so
[1:41:07] yeah so I think when mat is back I'm
[1:41:10] sure he's going to be back here next
[1:41:12] year before us we can we can raise these
[1:41:16] um the conversation with him to talk
[1:41:19] about um you
[1:41:21] know the raises of would affect the
[1:41:24] usage because I don't I don't have that
[1:41:26] chart with me now but I mean even and
[1:41:29] again my my golf knowledge is limited
[1:41:32] but um I hear what M Doro is saying but
[1:41:35] I know that the other fees go up very minimally um when when Matt comes
[1:41:40] to US every year well and I think if I
[1:41:42] can speak I mean for myself maybe I mean
[1:41:45] we trust him with his AB we should and
[1:41:49] he he's out there he's a pro so that's
[1:41:51] what kind of like you know what he's
[1:41:52] bringing this to us he asking this he's
[1:41:54] giving us comparison at that point in
[1:41:56] time to show that hey what's happening
[1:41:59] out there in Colony and Leon here we and
[1:42:01] we're still under and I I do think I'm
[1:42:04] sorry but I just want to say I mean
[1:42:06] again for the last few years I've been
[1:42:08] talking with him about the whole getting
[1:42:09] more youth out there so the idea that
[1:42:11] the school has um reinstituted you're
[1:42:15] saying a golf team is awesome I mean
[1:42:17] that'll be really uh great
[1:42:20] for for all of us I mean and I think as
[1:42:23] mayor said it if they get into a
[1:42:25] lifetime habit um it's a good thing the
[1:42:28] mayor will get his um inter this year
[1:42:31] next year an inter to do the first golf
[1:42:33] shot for
[1:42:34] him yeah but I I I guess I think what
[1:42:39] that kind of hike in the feed was more
[1:42:42] responsive to the fact that they hadn't
[1:42:45] been raised consistently so I think at a consistent rate to be consistent
[1:42:51] with the other municipalities to have
[1:42:53] cuz when he came and presented he said
[1:42:55] hey we're still way below so I think
[1:42:58] what some of that what you might
[1:43:00] experience is a little bit of ticket the
[1:43:02] ticket shop right of wow and then maybe
[1:43:06] after that because you know once you
[1:43:07] once you're getting something at a
[1:43:08] certain value even if if it doubles even
[1:43:11] if you're still getting it as you know
[1:43:12] even if it's still a far greater value
[1:43:14] you could you can experience a little
[1:43:16] bit of ticket shot but I think that
[1:43:18] that's something that will you know kind
[1:43:20] of self-correct people start to come
[1:43:22] back
[1:43:23] goe Mr chair and the problem that's Evol
[1:43:27] the golf course is just what Mr Fry's
[1:43:31] talking about is you cannot get a tea
[1:43:34] timee the demand is there so that people
[1:43:37] are lining up and so we raised the
[1:43:41] prices on some of that to again level it
[1:43:44] out so in fact people could play and
[1:43:46] enjoy it having said that there's still
[1:43:50] times on like Sunday afternoon and other
[1:43:52] times when utilization is very low we've
[1:43:55] talked about it before uh that's
[1:43:58] specifically this Council but
[1:44:00] historically is how do you get people to
[1:44:03] uh come in on the Sunday afternoon later
[1:44:06] on some of the other afternoons where
[1:44:09] it's
[1:44:10] slow to take advantage of the investment
[1:44:13] that we've made be able to have a good
[1:44:15] time and uh maybe play golf when they
[1:44:18] wouldn't otherwise play bring people
[1:44:21] in uh for the experience where they
[1:44:23] could uh learn Golf and take it up as a
[1:44:28] continual activity going forward I
[1:44:32] 20% I'll just listen people advertise
[1:44:36] free golf hot dogs
[1:44:40] $39 I mean it gets you in
[1:44:43] there anyway there's lots of different
[1:44:46] there thank you
[1:44:50] yeah well this is this was interesting
[1:44:53] yeah so we we can we can address that
[1:44:56] mat before here or if we need to bring
[1:44:59] him in ear you know we can Parks sh Elon
[1:45:04] W sh to bring m m you know
[1:45:07] yeah if we need
[1:45:10] to before he comes us suggested um
[1:45:15] Revenue increase next year because he
[1:45:17] does he does that all the
[1:45:19] year any other question on this so
[1:45:22] Anthony what I would ask take away from
[1:45:24] this is that um we can't do an in and
[1:45:26] out of this but if you can just create a seure to show what it was CA
[1:45:32] associated with the
[1:45:34] recommendation the associate cost but
[1:45:38] not not in out just a cost
[1:45:48] yes there is a backup in here is this um
[1:45:52] Accord to Mr continency $20,000 20,000 so there's
[1:46:05] no need to discuss that what is that
[1:46:07] what is remember that was where they
[1:46:09] were going to take the money
[1:46:11] from from the the police money and but
[1:46:15] now it's coming out the contingency the
[1:46:19] planting there there is a suggestion on
[1:46:22] the table to take out the
[1:46:23] frency so that's and I'm I'm fine with
[1:46:27] that okay so yes okay all
[1:46:37] right are we missing any questions from
[1:46:40] last night are we missing any stuff from
[1:46:42] last I thought we had a couple we didn't
[1:46:43] go over all these yet have we did we go
[1:46:46] over these three pieces that we had in
[1:46:47] our packet when we got
[1:46:50] here yes
[1:46:54] yeah this is the one I talk about the um
[1:46:57] on the presentation but the
[1:47:04] um this is the one with the um the fee
[1:47:06] excessive W fee I asked if I wor
[1:47:09] knowledge Ming forward to move that um
[1:47:12] hopefully calling for public hearing if
[1:47:14] council is an agreement we'll call for
[1:47:15] the public hearing and move for this one
[1:47:18] here is the um new program I asked for
[1:47:22] year to the
[1:47:24] okay
[1:47:25] actual no I just wanted to make sure we
[1:47:27] recover yes you
[1:47:32] did there's no on sorry it's confusing
[1:47:36] it printed on um both
[1:47:41] sides we got the
[1:47:55] and we did address the um the AR reports
[1:47:59] but the outstanding um that we had from
[1:48:02] last
[1:48:07] evening all right
[1:48:10] [Music]
[1:48:36] are there any other questions uh need to
[1:48:38] be submitted to to Anthony or any
[1:48:42] department
[1:48:45] head I like if we can wrap up all the um
[1:48:48] no no hard feelings but I would like to
[1:48:50] wrap up all the questions and if we have
[1:48:53] any please submitted so we can get
[1:48:55] answer because um at some point time we
[1:48:57] going to have to
[1:48:59] like cut out the questions and and start
[1:49:03] move in the direction of uh
[1:49:05] [Music]
[1:49:07] conclusion so please if you have any
[1:49:09] question please ask now or submit it um
[1:49:11] this
[1:49:13] evening um I would really appreciate
[1:49:15] because um I would like us start move in
[1:49:19] a to arrive at a conclusion
[1:49:26] and again please reach out to the mayor
[1:49:28] please reach out to Anthony if you have
[1:49:32] any questions any concerns any
[1:49:34] recommendation make sure you send oh
[1:49:38] sorry
[1:49:39] [Music]
[1:49:41] I yeah please copy Derek also and
[1:49:44] Anthony copy the mayor so you know I we want you to ask question we want you
[1:49:50] to get answered and I
[1:49:54] am I
[1:49:55] am hoping that all the questions have
[1:49:59] been answered and if there's anything
[1:50:01] outstanding we can answer tomorrow and
[1:50:04] I'm hoping that we can deliver it
[1:50:06] tomorrow for a
[1:50:09] conclusion I think we can do that we I
[1:50:13] don't see a point at this time um any
[1:50:15] question outstanding or any any hot
[1:50:17] topic that is the
[1:50:20] table that needs to be addressed if
[1:50:22] there's anything that I'm missing please
[1:50:24] let me
[1:50:25] know go ahead I guess um just in terms
[1:50:28] of prepping for tomorrow night if
[1:50:30] there's anything that people feel like
[1:50:31] they're going to raise that might be
[1:50:33] items that we might need to debate it
[1:50:36] would be good to have sort of heads up
[1:50:38] on that so we can think about that so I
[1:50:40] mean we we really haven't talked at all
[1:50:43] about about that so I want use that
[1:50:46] word well you know want to want yes
[1:50:50] thank you we want to discuss it friendly
[1:50:52] discussion not debate we we going to
[1:50:54] change the way how we do things so we
[1:50:57] have friendly discussion so yes and
[1:50:59] thank you for that if you you know go
[1:51:01] back after this tonight tomorrow morning
[1:51:03] during the day please reach out with
[1:51:05] your recommendation if you want to see
[1:51:08] you know like just use um the money
[1:51:11] $250,000 300,000 yeah
[1:51:14] know you're not allow
[1:51:17] I I'm just making a suggestion you're
[1:51:20] making a suggestion of 250,000
[1:51:23] guide help us to where do we take that
[1:51:25] off from sure where do we do we increase
[1:51:27] Revenue do we take it out the line make
[1:51:29] a suggestion so that way helps anony it
[1:51:31] help us to move and that's a
[1:51:33] recommendation that would avoid a LLY
[1:51:35] discussion as to back and forth sure
[1:51:37] thing so come up with that everybody I'm
[1:51:40] just using an example anybody else
[1:51:42] myself to include it if I'm going to
[1:51:44] make a recommendation to say that I
[1:51:46] think that we should increase XYZ I need
[1:51:48] to come up with a plan where do we take
[1:51:50] it from we cannot uh suggestion on the
[1:51:53] table with yesterday's uh
[1:51:55] recommendation Anthony came came back
[1:51:57] with a
[1:51:59] suggestion
[1:52:01] contingency now we have to be careful
[1:52:03] our actual to date is
[1:52:07] 332,000 and if you're dropping up to 20
[1:52:10] that's that's a little dangerous so we
[1:52:13] need to we need to at a point you know
[1:52:16] bring that to the table and say is that
[1:52:20] realistic to me no no that's not
[1:52:23] realistic because our contingency needs
[1:52:25] to stay at that point in time for fire
[1:52:29] it happen all the time we can avoid it
[1:52:31] we have to do emergency demo they need
[1:52:33] funding on that line to help with
[1:52:37] that if you want to add something you
[1:52:39] have to take that's
[1:52:44] what today
[1:52:51] take back
[1:52:53] yeah not only not only take it out if we
[1:52:56] suggesting to take it out of certain
[1:52:57] lines we have to be you know we
[1:52:58] realistic and at the same time we're
[1:53:00] look at if you want to increase Revenue
[1:53:03] you know those are suggestion that we
[1:53:04] need to bring
[1:53:05] tomorrow no question Anthony what do we
[1:53:07] have to do if we add something you clear
[1:53:11] that okay got it got
[1:53:13] it we know that okay got me to follow an
[1:53:17] email for you yeah please if you would
[1:53:19] mind help me a little bit Y show me them
[1:53:24] some so please all of us including
[1:53:26] myself recommendation as to how we move
[1:53:29] forward and conclude tomorrow so if you
[1:53:32] can subit that ahead of time that will
[1:53:34] be very very helpful so Anthony can um
[1:53:37] bring um suggestion and the cost
[1:53:41] associated with your suggestion so we
[1:53:43] need so before tomorrow night's meeting
[1:53:46] will we have an update on the changes
[1:53:48] that have been at least sort of
[1:53:50] suggested I know we got this right so
[1:53:53] yes this is it just cost analysis on
[1:53:57] this you're just looking for cost analis
[1:54:01] oh no no no no no this is just yes but if we can get it ahead of time at
[1:54:06] least we'd have time to think about it
[1:54:07] before we come to the table just I guess
[1:54:09] I'm just trying to avoid any shocking
[1:54:11] kinds of things that when we come to the
[1:54:13] table I'd rather have good point if we
[1:54:15] can do this tomorrow morning you should
[1:54:17] share with us morning so that to the
[1:54:20] counil so we have this here at this as
[1:54:23] another proposal the one that we
[1:54:25] received today versus this one
[1:54:28] tomorrow
[1:54:30] yeah submit your proposal if you don't
[1:54:33] want to submit it please call the mayor
[1:54:35] call Anthony discuss have a you know
[1:54:38] your free have open open phone
[1:54:41] conversation with the mayor with Anthony
[1:54:44] dere you may not want to P in an email
[1:54:47] please make phone
[1:54:48] calls I'll call you
[1:54:51] here make phone calls and come to the
[1:54:53] table with you know with um with an
[1:54:56] understanding of how we uh move
[1:55:00] forward if you want to talk about the
[1:55:02] arpa and the reallocation that we didn't
[1:55:04] touch on talk about it openly see where
[1:55:06] we are we have we have you know some
[1:55:09] agency that not not off the par what do
[1:55:12] we do there you brought up a good point
[1:55:14] earlier you know should we consider this
[1:55:16] into this budget that's that's open
[1:55:19] question but but it was my understanding
[1:55:21] from when this Carver was here that we
[1:55:23] can't consider it into the budget right
[1:55:26] is that what I heard or that's we only
[1:55:28] are looking at those four things no
[1:55:30] that's already in the budget to bance a
[1:55:33] budget we can an out that okay so we can
[1:55:37] still funding from other pieces if we
[1:55:40] were to make any adjustment on those
[1:55:42] four recommendation on the Aral line we
[1:55:45] would have to find other source of
[1:55:47] income Revenue to offset that now we
[1:55:50] were talking about earlier there that
[1:55:52] we're talking about that we're steering
[1:55:55] down and that's what you made some
[1:55:58] reference towards it and that's what
[1:55:59] kind of like brought it on
[1:56:01] that but if we if we if we're talking
[1:56:03] about that I think that we should aim
[1:56:06] our the aimed at City things within the
[1:56:08] city yes and and I don't mean salary so
[1:56:11] I mean other projects like the parks
[1:56:14] things in the Parks whatever else needs
[1:56:15] to be done 100,000 what you're saying so
[1:56:18] if we take other funds from other
[1:56:20] agencies
[1:56:22] it's not going to
[1:56:24] ouren is going to be remain in house go
[1:56:27] offet um some of the we just talked
[1:56:29] about exactly
[1:56:32] yes I think that's that's that's what I
[1:56:35] was thinking when I was going over
[1:56:37] everything today so
[1:56:41] yeah so we have our homework tonight and
[1:56:45] into tomorrow uh tomorrow evening and
[1:56:49] Anthony will provide that um cause
[1:56:51] breakdown for us
[1:56:53] and do we have anything else
[1:56:58] Joe no I think we have much so we'll
[1:57:02] just we'll just um we'll just U go into
[1:57:05] executive session we'll deal with u the
[1:57:07] revenue um the three items and then
[1:57:11] we'll break until tomorrow oh we're
[1:57:13] going into s yeah so I just need a
[1:57:15] motion to go into executive
[1:57:18] session motion more
[1:57:20] clear ex session
[1:57:22] it's um there three items a 2130b FX
[1:57:28] 2140b and G
[1:57:31] 21 outside contract
[1:57:35] negotiation
[1:57:36] [Music]
[1:57:37] MP okay that is pending
[1:57:43] and
[1:57:45] tomor I'll make a motion second all in
[1:57:48] favor we're in executive session make a
[1:57:51] motion
[1:57:52] me too not
[1:57:54] allow
[1:57:57] [Music]
[1:58:02] okay I
[1:58:03] also I had Larry
[1:58:08] speak in case anybody's interested I
[1:58:10] only have four copies but part of the
[1:58:12] budget oh no not for the budget I just
[1:58:15] in case anybody
[1:58:21] want
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