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no thank

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thank like to call the connect the city

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council committee meeting for

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Friday October 18

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we have the committee

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Finance thank you madam president I

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would like to call finance committee to

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order and we will continue

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our budget discussion on the proposed

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2025 um budget but before I proceed

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um don't have a copy of the revised

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version Derek can we um make a copy of

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the revised version for dor

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please it

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out dor doesn't have a copy and it's

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kind like you looking for the

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adjustments from yesterday no the

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yes John this no no no budget that was

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um the spreadsheet that he sent for us

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no no the entire the entire budget that

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wasion the Revis she means this she

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means yes revised here you can I'm not

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using m

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yeah she dor wasn't here for that she

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didn't

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get okay that's

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okay I do have one someplace and I I

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don't use

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it do have she doesn't have a copy of it

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but how does that differ from I was expl

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that's trying to exp to that it's not

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much difference it's just a

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separation different

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the so I was talking to Dory today she

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said she doesn't have a copy that she

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can

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discuss so I want to make sure all

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members have um have a copy available so

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that will be discussed we do not um put

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oursel at um disadvantage you want me to

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print a copy or you want yes I would

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like one of the council members here uh

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I would like you to print a copy for me

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please is yours written on no I've been

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using you're going to still using my

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usual one you're going to I'm using

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one as well so you don't need a copy of

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the that well i' like a copy of

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everything that was given out like I

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said I take mine

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away

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yes thank you then she'll have

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cop okay all right so before the end of

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the meeting I would like a copy for um

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this one two please yes I just want to

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make sure everybody has all the

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documentation and

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want me to test it for you I'll be like

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a good everybody else has there still

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test

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her you don't like our

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water um well it's not your water don't

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take it personal it's just the water on

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the table

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people this we went through last year

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you know given the updated stuff out of

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the charter amendments from 79 which are

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clear that's

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incorrect he has a charer witer this

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last year making copies bring it down

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saw yeah that was reason was like it

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doesn't buy the last year

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going say anony tonight yeah he said

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last night he wouldn't be

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here you have your laptop you have yourp

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ready can't

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it that's why it asked for $60,000 we're

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taking CS for the team no that's why I

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asked for $60,000 upgr all the

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machine is that time to buy laptop

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everyone desktops laptops the

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6,000 desktop the desktops

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are I thought they weren't going to

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replace all the desktops some of them

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would be laptops

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don't worry dere you will get a

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laptop so that mean you will have to

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work seven days a week really from home

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yep from your car from hotel

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okay I think I have

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I think I gave too many

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all right so let's um let's

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continue you should have in your package

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some some reports that was requested

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from last

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evening and we'll just go through the

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one with regards to

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um the salary um recommendation

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I did have a song I think you did

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yeah um Mr Williams I think most of

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these were brought up by you if I'm not

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mistaken correct me you want to look at

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it to make sure all are captured in this

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spere and then Mr Farley you had a one

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program I just want to add something

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based on the email that s out all

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of go ahead please so um everybody email

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from another staff person the principal

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planner who was not considered so I

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would like us to um consider that

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individual for raise as

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well they do show up on the sheet that

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Anthony gave up however it was not part

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of the

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recommendation and everybody got the

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email pleas that email sure sorry I I

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miss did everyone receive it oh okay yes

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everyone receive email but uh if you

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don't mind please it came from Sam

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get more

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and that line is a 8686 if you need to

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look in your um Bud

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documents 86 a 8686

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what page is that

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John

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50 right just trying to get

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this B you just want

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well um as I said this this um

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individual by their Supervisor was asked

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to be considered for an increase and um

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it was did not was not brought forward

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and so um they were aware they as you

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can read by the email and um so send

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this email with more information that I

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knew anyway uh and asking for an

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increase and I feel like based on their

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level of education and their years of

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service to the city it's not an

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unreasonable ask and would ask that um

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council members would

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discussion deing just the state of

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numbers so 2024 salaries

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84,3 33 and the proposed salary for 2025

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86,00

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863 and the recommendation from you is

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to bring this up to

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10% from

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2024 that that would be yes that will

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bring that number to

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9336 that isn't the package on the

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break that's what I'm getting up

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from discussion of this

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well I guess for me it's a little

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concerning in that um maybe we should

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have requested our HR department do a

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market research for every department

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head administrative positions that we're

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opening up a door um for administrators

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just if they don't I mean the the chief

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executive officer does performance

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evaluations and judges performance and

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judges all of those things we don't work

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with these folks that

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closely and and can't speak to that I

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mean I'm sure they're doing great jobs I

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mean doing your jobs but I think it it just usurps the process and it opens

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the door for and it puts us in positions

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for every Department to come up and and

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know that they're doing great service

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for the

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city um and saying no or or or saying

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yes um and and I think um I mean that

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that's kind of our job we have that

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Authority but I'm just concerned concern

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president and their individual cases I'm

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just concerned that of us doing that

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then where does it where does it end um

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and we have to be mindful that we're

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looking at a tax

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increase and a significant deficit next

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year um and going to 10% increases in a

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time where we're raising taxes is is I

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think um concerning to me um we thank we

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only have a couple folks requesting it

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but we're opening up a door and and that

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concerns me that we have a process in

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place um maybe we can look at that or do

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market analysis but this just just

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concerns me this the way that they were doing

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this stri favoritism more and put this

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in a position um that I'm just not

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comfortable with but I'm certainly open

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that's that's my take on it go ahead

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chairman basically every management

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employee asks for a raise greater than

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what I put in

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budget you know you have to balance it

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to say some of what uh Mr ancini is

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Raising creates conflict I sent an email

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out today because the council's going

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down this road of Peace mealing it you

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know if people want pay raise they can

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go directly

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councel uh you know it's

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just such the wrong

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tone it does undermine my ability to

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manage the

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city have you just have any experience

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as the department I would see that too

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this is like you know this is my you put

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me in this position of Voters but even a

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department head to to to make those

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recommendations and you know the county

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would be the legislature something going

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around me and the legislator doesn't

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know the day-to-day activities and my

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challenges that my make have

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if I

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felt I think I like the 3% raises

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because it looks like it's pretty much

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across the board except for those

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special conditions that were Justified

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um but doing it this way I think

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everyone make that request that probably

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could be something we wouldn't consider

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but in the fiscal times that we're

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facing right now and just the process of having someone like power department

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now I think I'm come to people I'm going

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to go to the I'm going to councel and

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make a case for myself so thanks but no

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thanks um that that concerns

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me so speaking um so just to be clear

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this person this person's recommendation

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was from their department head from the

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person that works with them day to day

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so that's not they the recommendation

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came from the department head I think

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you were here for the meeting when the

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recommendation was made and um and then

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when it wasn't considered the individual

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followed up say I was recommended and

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here's the reasons and I'd like to give

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you some back up on why I think that you

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know I should be um considered and I

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have to tell you this similar situation

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happened several years ago um and there

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was where an individual came to the

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council and asked for it so this is not

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the first time it's happened we've done

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before so I as you talk about s

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president had happened before and there

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was no like anything sent out to the

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entire staff say this person did it and

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now you can do it it happened you know

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um and so you know we voted that person

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through they still work here doing a

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great job so um I don't see that if if I don't know the the um what the

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mayor does in terms of management coming

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to him in terms of um that we can only

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go with what we were given and this was

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given to us by the finance department

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that's the only thing that we got to see

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so if there were other um

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recommendations or or requests we don't

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have any idea because this is the only

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thing that was F

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forward go ahead please I guess um so my

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question would be because I can I can

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see how like you know definitely that

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can be a tough situation to kind of

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navigate um and and somewh from our

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advantage point I guess my question is

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like are you suggesting

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that you'd be comfortable with 3% raises

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across the board for all department

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heads or like because I you I know you

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said in some special consideration some

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cases like that were brought forward yes

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and what were the cases that you're okay

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with well not we didn't go with the the

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Deputy Commissioner Finance we didn't go

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with the complete ask we brought that

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down that I'm I'm comfortable

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with and that would be at the res to 3%

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unless there was the rationale brought

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forward to us to consider

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go ahead please but I would say the

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manner in which this request has been

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submitted makes that same request with

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it requiring Market evaluation based on

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the needs at this position so would you

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not agree that these would be presented

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the

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same well I'm I'm what I'm saying is

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we're going to open the door for unless

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we have our department HR department do

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a market research on every department

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and every assistant I mean the market

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determines the need obvious ly I don't

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know if planning is the same as Finance

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in that regard I take um her word for it

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that what she put here but I don't know

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what market research was done it was

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done how how well she did that and so if

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we're going to do something like this

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should we look at every administrator

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and do a market analysis and maybe some

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Sal to come down um I I don't know I

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don't I we haven't done that and we're

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doing it kind of to me arbitrary and so

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every

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department head and assistant

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Administration can come in here and do

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that I think we should have a better way

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of negotiating a better process and

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having the individual come up and do

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that but it is what it is and we can

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entertain or we

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cannot I guess what I'm what I'm

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thinking is and because there's a lot of

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Mir of what you're saying but I guess

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where I'm having trouble kind of looking

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at the consistencies is because it's

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like so there's an ask and we

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brought it down but that ask the

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original ask

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was a part of the proposed budget and

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then we made a determination to or was

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suggested or it seems like at least some

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council members were saying okay let's

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you know we're not the thought go with

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the full ask that was presented so once

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we make that determination or that

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distinction based on Merit and judgement

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then I think we are compelled to look at

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other cases because if not what we're

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doing is saying

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that whether it's an increase or a

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decrease if we as a council are weighing

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in on that then we're then that door is

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open to weigh in on other situations and

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then it can look and not even just look

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up more concerned about what it is then

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it can be a very inconsistent practice

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because now we're saying well for this

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department head we're not going to go

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the full ask but we're going to even

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reduce what the full ask was for this

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and then but everyone else we're just

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going to say 3% even though we've

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already deliberated and had

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conversations around that

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one position so I just get concerned

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about the inconsistencies but your

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points well taken around maybe around

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market research and and and I'm

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addressing the potential tax increase

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that that I mean 3% raises is is minimal

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but looking at from what I see they're good salaries um but I think we

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should do a better look at it and a

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deeper dive um into doing it across the

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board if we're going to do it um or if

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we can't find somebody that ask can

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always be made at any point in the year

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with that position where they become

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vacant where the person was going to

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lead we done that as well but us doing

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it just it's concerning for them all

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right but I I understand what your

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concerns are and I would just say if

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we're going to do it then we have to do

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it and make it available for everyone if

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we're not going to do it then we

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shouldn't be touching it at all

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whatsoever um and then if we're not

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touching it at all um at what point do

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we what happens if we see

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um inconsistencies or or unintentional

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inequities that was prop for in the

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budget like what is our responsibility

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to tease that out as a body that's so

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those are just the questions that I

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would

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have I mean those are valid points from both sides here um you know it was

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a compelling um discussion that we had

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in terms of Mr Ferrari in terms of why

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he wanted to

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um increase the Deputy Commissioner of

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finance and um he gave us uh you know

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many options and told us that the high

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end of that is you know the minimum is

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100,000 that's Market Fe market for that

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position and I think looking at this Lev

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here um it's it's a detail letter with a

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market um you know salary

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range I am not against looking across

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the board for a a salary range for

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department head and to increase them and

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bring them in compatible today's market

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across the board but then how do we do

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that as I always said if we to increase

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salary we have to find money from

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somewhere to offset this and how do we

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do that in terms of this yes taxes are

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going up but at the same time we have to

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make sure that we we increase um salary

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so bring it up the part so that we keep

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these employees in their position to

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provide the service needed for our city

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and at the same time you know we don't

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want it to go anywhere so we want to

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keep

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them in salary is only one comp to the

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compensation package and the city still

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offers Lifetime Health insurance for

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retirees after a certain level of

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service that's very rare in the market

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anymore huge value to that so it's not

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just selling it's the total package is

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the uh way to evaluate it and so just on

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salary is overly simplistic yeah and I

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think know department head are know

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they're listening to these um these

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debates not these hearings not debate

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these hearings sorry um you know they

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they're they're Glu um gluing into it so

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when uh when we talk about okay we want

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to bring someone uh in U incompatible

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with today's market for their position

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then the others I would be I will be

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doing the same thing I I I've done that

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in my private sector job I mean I am I'm

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in that position just like everyone else

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I should be compensate for that for my

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time and my work here and I can be wrong

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with them

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I have to support them and I I don't

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know if they're chosing the right path

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to to bring it to us I don't know it

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could be you know they're supposed to be

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you know channeled that to the mayor to

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us as long as I've been on this Council

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here we have every year deal with um

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department head come in directly to us

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or send us email or phone call to ask

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for um salary um adjustment from the

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proposed U budget so it's nothing new

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it's been happening all the all the

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years and how do we address

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it maybe we just go back and you know

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ask May it's a recommendation to go back

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and do evaluation on on all the

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department head but then um how do we

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sustain that in a budget that we're

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driving taxes

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up go ahead please sorry I agree with

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the mayor that I do not think it's the

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most appropriate venue for City r city

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employees to come to the city council

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however being presented with those

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positions I think we are respons

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responsible and obligated to respond in a manner appropriate to the authority

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that was presented to us as elected

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officials so in our capacity we

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represent the city and we function in

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partnership with the mayor so I would

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hope that in these capacities to your

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question of favoritism we are operating

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in an ethical Manner and not using our

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positions inappropriately to benefit

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ourselves so I think it's a narrative we

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constantly hear all the time that we're

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supporting our base and supporting our

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friends I can guarantee you if that was

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the case I would not be living where I

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live so not finished I think it is

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important that we fully vet these

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positions that we're currently standing

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at so if we're going to do a market

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00:34:22,200 --> 00:34:24,440
adjustment let's do a market adjustment

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however in no way were we singling out

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any IND indidual department or any

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individual person in the presentation as

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uh the Comm chair has highlighted we

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offered everyone the opportunity to

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present what you've been doing for the

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year and how those department heads used

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00:34:40,520 --> 00:34:43,000
that time was up to them but if an

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individual brought up a topic of concern

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again is our responsibility to respond

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to it as did I with my recommendations

532
00:34:49,960 --> 00:34:51,599
any other council member and their

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capacity could either push back or add

534
00:34:54,159 --> 00:34:56,960
additional um again that is in your

535
00:34:56,960 --> 00:34:59,079
purview um but I think it is more than

536
00:34:59,079 --> 00:35:00,800
appropriate for us to hear out the city

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staff and it is our responsibility to

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hear them

539
00:35:05,720 --> 00:35:08,160
out go ahead please and and I think what

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I'm saying um is maybe a little more

541
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basic than what we the larger

542
00:35:16,240 --> 00:35:17,640
conversation here I think it's more

543
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specific to the fact that if we're

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saying that one Department had based on

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this uh metric

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00:35:28,280 --> 00:35:32,079
should be getting this salary and if

547
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that's the ruler that we're using I

548
00:35:33,760 --> 00:35:35,200
think this is where we need to be

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consistent about we're saying that that

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is the ruler that we're using

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then if another department head comes

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forward and says well based on market

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value and that same ruler then I should

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be here I think that that's that's

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something that we should expect that's

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going to happen and if we're going to

557
00:35:52,359 --> 00:35:53,800
make decisions we should just be making

558
00:35:53,800 --> 00:35:58,119
them using the same uh

559
00:35:58,119 --> 00:36:00,240
guge that's that's really my thing so

560
00:36:00,240 --> 00:36:02,280
either if we were to

561
00:36:02,280 --> 00:36:06,040
do do it we do it with the same

562
00:36:06,040 --> 00:36:08,000
measurement for all or don't do it at

563
00:36:08,000 --> 00:36:09,680
all then okay but I think that if we get

564
00:36:09,680 --> 00:36:11,119
into the place where we're bringing

565
00:36:11,119 --> 00:36:13,200
forth certain department heads based on

566
00:36:13,200 --> 00:36:15,599
a roller then use a different measure

567
00:36:15,599 --> 00:36:17,160
for somebody El

568
00:36:17,160 --> 00:36:20,560
get that's should be concerning for me

569
00:36:20,560 --> 00:36:24,240
Mr tur how to handle on please thank you

570
00:36:24,240 --> 00:36:28,280
excuse me thank you so in the past I I I think uh other than this year for the

571
00:36:28,280 --> 00:36:31,480
past six years we've actually had a t uh

572
00:36:31,480 --> 00:36:34,480
tax decrease or taxes uh no rise in

573
00:36:34,480 --> 00:36:36,599
taxes at all so things were different

574
00:36:36,599 --> 00:36:38,599
the city was in a different position uh

575
00:36:38,599 --> 00:36:40,800
back then um I think with the city

576
00:36:40,800 --> 00:36:43,319
facing the deficit that we are um

577
00:36:43,319 --> 00:36:46,400
raising taxes it's it's it's just

578
00:36:46,400 --> 00:36:48,440
sending the wrong message yes we work

579
00:36:48,440 --> 00:36:50,160
for the city we work for the uh

580
00:36:50,160 --> 00:36:51,760
employees of the city but we must to

581
00:36:51,760 --> 00:36:53,400
work for the residents of the city and I

582
00:36:53,400 --> 00:36:55,480
think it's just sending them the wrong

583
00:36:55,480 --> 00:36:58,560
message right now uh to to give these

584
00:36:58,560 --> 00:37:02,119
races but I do want to commend all these

585
00:37:02,119 --> 00:37:03,960
department heads I mean we've reached

586
00:37:03,960 --> 00:37:05,520
out to

587
00:37:05,520 --> 00:37:09,240
them daily for for me for three years

588
00:37:09,240 --> 00:37:11,160
you for a lot longer and they go above

589
00:37:11,160 --> 00:37:13,400
and beyond to help the residents of the

590
00:37:13,400 --> 00:37:16,160
city who we're also here to help I just

591
00:37:16,160 --> 00:37:19,440
um that's just all I wanted to

592
00:37:19,440 --> 00:37:22,800
say let me tou yes that's true we we

593
00:37:22,800 --> 00:37:24,800
have we're we're lucky and fortunate to

594
00:37:24,800 --> 00:37:27,319
have such good department heads in the

595
00:37:27,319 --> 00:37:29,920
city have connected here to help help

596
00:37:29,920 --> 00:37:31,440
the city to drive the city forward with

597
00:37:31,440 --> 00:37:34,160
the m i mean they do fantastic jobs in

598
00:37:34,160 --> 00:37:36,640
and out some of them 7 days a week

599
00:37:36,640 --> 00:37:39,680
regardless of what and um the topic is

600
00:37:39,680 --> 00:37:41,880
that we have yes giving raises when we

601
00:37:41,880 --> 00:37:45,480
raising tax when we're raising taxes um

602
00:37:45,480 --> 00:37:46,760
we have to make sure we have to make

603
00:37:46,760 --> 00:37:49,920
sure that we uh we compensate them for

604
00:37:49,920 --> 00:37:51,480
the time that they've been here and the

605
00:37:51,480 --> 00:37:52,960
years of service they have provided to

606
00:37:52,960 --> 00:37:54,640
the city some of them here way on in the

607
00:37:54,640 --> 00:37:57,240
20 years or plus and the reason why they

608
00:37:57,240 --> 00:37:59,160
stay here because they love the city

609
00:37:59,160 --> 00:38:00,720
they love what they're doing and you

610
00:38:00,720 --> 00:38:02,359
know they're providing taxpayers with

611
00:38:02,359 --> 00:38:05,960
the service and they they're running the

612
00:38:05,960 --> 00:38:09,839
department day in and day out and

613
00:38:09,839 --> 00:38:14,160
um any budget you have to raise um

614
00:38:14,160 --> 00:38:16,680
salary especially for inflation or for

615
00:38:16,680 --> 00:38:21,000
cost of living adjustment so 3% 4% 2%

616
00:38:21,000 --> 00:38:22,599
I've been here when we have raised them

617
00:38:22,599 --> 00:38:25,839
2% I don't know maybe we did 1% we did

618
00:38:25,839 --> 00:38:28,079
we always do an increment of something

619
00:38:28,079 --> 00:38:33,280
across and then we do have some some employees with you know higher than

620
00:38:33,280 --> 00:38:35,280
normal because we want this is one of

621
00:38:35,280 --> 00:38:38,079
them I think what the the Bing topic is

622
00:38:38,079 --> 00:38:40,560
the proposed budget has a 51% increase

623
00:38:40,560 --> 00:38:44,119
for one um one position and I think um

624
00:38:44,119 --> 00:38:45,440
that's where the calls are coming in

625
00:38:45,440 --> 00:38:47,280
from but we understand that that

626
00:38:47,280 --> 00:38:49,720
position because we want to Market you

627
00:38:49,720 --> 00:38:52,560
know that position and to align that

628
00:38:52,560 --> 00:38:55,440
position into next year U into the

629
00:38:55,440 --> 00:38:58,200
finance department now the department is

630
00:38:58,200 --> 00:38:59,800
seeing that and they're asking question

631
00:38:59,800 --> 00:39:01,880
and they have a right to ask they have a

632
00:39:01,880 --> 00:39:04,920
right to ask as Mr William says and we

633
00:39:04,920 --> 00:39:06,599
have to you know entertain

634
00:39:06,599 --> 00:39:10,240
it but how far do we go that's the

635
00:39:10,240 --> 00:39:13,710
biggest question on the

636
00:39:13,720 --> 00:39:17,839
table so I I don't think I said we were

637
00:39:17,839 --> 00:39:21,160
showing favoritism I said it it could

638
00:39:21,160 --> 00:39:23,280
lend perception like if it were me in a

639
00:39:23,280 --> 00:39:26,040
department head door just calls

640
00:39:26,040 --> 00:39:29,000
me I think and the mayor said no I

641
00:39:29,000 --> 00:39:30,839
requested

642
00:39:30,839 --> 00:39:34,119
this I will appeal to the mayor I don't

643
00:39:34,119 --> 00:39:36,440
I think we're usurping the

644
00:39:36,440 --> 00:39:39,040
process they present to us with the

645
00:39:39,040 --> 00:39:41,760
budget I'm just not comfortable with

646
00:39:41,760 --> 00:39:43,800
that and I would tell the person thank

647
00:39:43,800 --> 00:39:45,480
you but there's a a way for you to go

648
00:39:45,480 --> 00:39:49,640
about this um if I felt real strongly I

649
00:39:49,640 --> 00:39:51,920
you know because I have a friend at the

650
00:39:51,920 --> 00:39:55,319
department hey help me out here right

651
00:39:55,319 --> 00:39:58,760
now I obviously if I know the person I'm

652
00:39:58,760 --> 00:40:00,640
going to have some kind of bias I think

653
00:40:00,640 --> 00:40:02,000
you're doing a great job but I don't

654
00:40:02,000 --> 00:40:03,440
know the day-to-day activities of that

655
00:40:03,440 --> 00:40:05,040
individual I don't know they don't work

656
00:40:05,040 --> 00:40:07,760
for me I'm not comfortable with it as a

657
00:40:07,760 --> 00:40:10,200
public official as a I'm not comfortable

658
00:40:10,200 --> 00:40:12,160
with doing that because that's my role

659
00:40:12,160 --> 00:40:13,920
is not to supervise their day-to-day

660
00:40:13,920 --> 00:40:14,880
activities and make those

661
00:40:14,880 --> 00:40:17,079
recommendations I mean we can but I

662
00:40:17,079 --> 00:40:19,960
think we get into a dangerous um area on

663
00:40:19,960 --> 00:40:21,960
doing that we have great department

664
00:40:21,960 --> 00:40:24,359
heads and certainly but but we are

665
00:40:24,359 --> 00:40:26,280
looking at these tax increases and we're

666
00:40:26,280 --> 00:40:29,040
looking at the put time I think this

667
00:40:29,040 --> 00:40:31,440
doing it this way is concerning to me

668
00:40:31,440 --> 00:40:33,160
and that's you know that's all I want to

669
00:40:33,160 --> 00:40:34,760
put out there because and we didn't have

670
00:40:34,760 --> 00:40:36,880
that conversation I'm glad we had we

671
00:40:36,880 --> 00:40:39,240
were saying yes and it felt good but

672
00:40:39,240 --> 00:40:41,200
then I you know I actually wanted to say

673
00:40:41,200 --> 00:40:42,640
wrestling because it just concerned me

674
00:40:42,640 --> 00:40:44,800
that process it's the process certainly

675
00:40:44,800 --> 00:40:46,839
not the people and that's why I think we

676
00:40:46,839 --> 00:40:48,640
should be mindful and that's an issue

677
00:40:48,640 --> 00:40:50,440
maybe we do a market research do

678
00:40:50,440 --> 00:40:52,319
something a little bit differently but

679
00:40:52,319 --> 00:40:55,640
individual that well that person was

680
00:40:55,640 --> 00:40:58,400
pull enough which is great you

681
00:40:58,400 --> 00:41:02,200
know I'm following the role of what you

682
00:41:02,200 --> 00:41:04,920
know may or may boss didn't

683
00:41:04,920 --> 00:41:07,240
know I'm not going to go around that

684
00:41:07,240 --> 00:41:12,240
person um some would you know um that

685
00:41:12,240 --> 00:41:14,920
felt that way and they're kind in a way

686
00:41:14,920 --> 00:41:15,760
were

687
00:41:15,760 --> 00:41:18,200
saying well you should have you should

688
00:41:18,200 --> 00:41:22,160
have ignored his request and come to us

689
00:41:22,160 --> 00:41:23,880
um because we'll welcome you and we're

690
00:41:23,880 --> 00:41:25,760
not going to tell you you're the bad job

691
00:41:25,760 --> 00:41:30,790
then you know I'm just

692
00:41:30,800 --> 00:41:32,520
go ahead please I would ask the

693
00:41:32,520 --> 00:41:34,640
rhetorical question is just what do you

694
00:41:34,640 --> 00:41:37,440
think the role of city council is it's

695
00:41:37,440 --> 00:41:39,640
to make it's to make policy decisions

696
00:41:39,640 --> 00:41:42,599
certainly to make evalate the budget we

697
00:41:42,599 --> 00:41:44,920
can the role is we can entertain that

698
00:41:44,920 --> 00:41:47,400
I'm saying as my role as a city council

699
00:41:47,400 --> 00:41:50,200
right in this I'm uncomfortable with it

700
00:41:50,200 --> 00:41:54,160
um it's certainly within our purgy but

701
00:41:54,160 --> 00:41:57,240
we have a process and we can we don't of

702
00:41:57,240 --> 00:41:58,440
course we don't have to follow we can

703
00:41:58,440 --> 00:42:01,240
make these decisions to me they seem a

704
00:42:01,240 --> 00:42:02,680
little bit arbitrary because I don't

705
00:42:02,680 --> 00:42:04,440
think we've done it with every every

706
00:42:04,440 --> 00:42:05,960
administrator every assistant

707
00:42:05,960 --> 00:42:08,000
administrator we haven't afforded them

708
00:42:08,000 --> 00:42:11,280
that they would go no they accepted that

709
00:42:11,280 --> 00:42:12,880
they didn't come to

710
00:42:12,880 --> 00:42:15,720
us they didn't do what they did so sorry

711
00:42:15,720 --> 00:42:17,359
we're not going to consider you I think

712
00:42:17,359 --> 00:42:18,599
if we're going to do it and let's do it

713
00:42:18,599 --> 00:42:21,599
from H and 3% might not get you to where

714
00:42:21,599 --> 00:42:23,440
you should be if the market research and

715
00:42:23,440 --> 00:42:24,880
then we're looking at a maybe five or

716
00:42:24,880 --> 00:42:27,400
10% tax increase or whatever where does

717
00:42:27,400 --> 00:42:29,240
it end I mean we have to have a process

718
00:42:29,240 --> 00:42:31,559
and respect

719
00:42:31,559 --> 00:42:34,640
that I think I think the city chter I'll

720
00:42:34,640 --> 00:42:37,240
play that we can review the salary and

721
00:42:37,240 --> 00:42:40,440
make adjustment not mistaken mayor has

722
00:42:40,440 --> 00:42:42,839
any consideration given so kind of do

723
00:42:42,839 --> 00:42:45,280
comprehensive review market analysis all

724
00:42:45,280 --> 00:42:46,200
the

725
00:42:46,200 --> 00:42:49,040
department talked about it but have not

726
00:42:49,040 --> 00:42:51,520
undertaken

727
00:42:51,520 --> 00:42:54,599
it is that something we can't ask you

728
00:42:54,599 --> 00:43:00,000
can you make a request that you do this because

729
00:43:00,000 --> 00:43:01,960
we don't want to you know Reit this next

730
00:43:01,960 --> 00:43:03,319
year but we can put something in place

731
00:43:03,319 --> 00:43:05,079
to kind of bring them up to power if

732
00:43:05,079 --> 00:43:07,559
they are under above you know align them

733
00:43:07,559 --> 00:43:09,400
so that we don't have to deal with this

734
00:43:09,400 --> 00:43:11,870
going

735
00:43:11,880 --> 00:43:15,950
forward how to we

736
00:43:15,960 --> 00:43:18,800
it's Council sets the policy so if you

737
00:43:18,800 --> 00:43:22,800
put forth something I'll manage it so I

738
00:43:22,800 --> 00:43:24,640
think we should do that I think it's

739
00:43:24,640 --> 00:43:26,720
wise idea for us to um you know do

740
00:43:26,720 --> 00:43:29,359
something and kind of like um as request

741
00:43:29,359 --> 00:43:31,200
the mayor to kind of do a market

742
00:43:31,200 --> 00:43:34,520
analysis on all the department head and

743
00:43:34,520 --> 00:43:37,680
to provide that report to us I think it

744
00:43:37,680 --> 00:43:40,480
would be very very helpful because I

745
00:43:40,480 --> 00:43:42,160
hate to see Department had work you know

746
00:43:42,160 --> 00:43:44,400
15 10 12 15 years and they have to leave

747
00:43:44,400 --> 00:43:46,920
for municipality because they offer

748
00:43:46,920 --> 00:43:49,480
$5,000 $10,000 more where we can do

749
00:43:49,480 --> 00:43:51,480
something in house and adjust that and

750
00:43:51,480 --> 00:43:53,559
keep

751
00:43:53,559 --> 00:43:57,440
them sorry so listen to what my council

752
00:43:57,440 --> 00:43:59,839
members are saying here I guess because

753
00:43:59,839 --> 00:44:03,079
I think that I know you earlier s that

754
00:44:03,079 --> 00:44:05,520
there's good points on both sides I I

755
00:44:05,520 --> 00:44:08,040
don't just in my assessment I don't

756
00:44:08,040 --> 00:44:09,200
think that there's that there's

757
00:44:09,200 --> 00:44:11,680
necessarily two sides here I think that

758
00:44:11,680 --> 00:44:13,280
everyone's kind of like working in the

759
00:44:13,280 --> 00:44:14,520
same direction trying to figure out

760
00:44:14,520 --> 00:44:16,599
what's the best formula to do that so I

761
00:44:16,599 --> 00:44:18,280
that's so like that's where I'm like

762
00:44:18,280 --> 00:44:19,920
trying to get some clarification as to

763
00:44:19,920 --> 00:44:21,720
like

764
00:44:21,720 --> 00:44:24,280
so uh Mr turo were you saying like

765
00:44:24,280 --> 00:44:27,520
suggesting that we don't that everyone

766
00:44:27,520 --> 00:44:30,839
just gets a 3% raise like all department

767
00:44:30,839 --> 00:44:32,240
has just that and then we just leave it

768
00:44:32,240 --> 00:44:35,680
at that is that your position or is your

769
00:44:35,680 --> 00:44:39,680
position no Department air raises or or

770
00:44:39,680 --> 00:44:41,720
kind of like just make it like 3% across

771
00:44:41,720 --> 00:44:44,680
the board I'm trying to figure and then Joe if you want

772
00:44:44,680 --> 00:44:48,640
to answer that too then then Mr Williams

773
00:44:48,640 --> 00:44:50,040
then we can all kind of at least know

774
00:44:50,040 --> 00:44:52,119
where we're at I think we're all saying

775
00:44:52,119 --> 00:44:54,240
some similar stuff here so just try to

776
00:44:54,240 --> 00:45:00,309
some clarity right

777
00:45:00,319 --> 00:45:06,400
yeah yeah so um again with the deficit we're

778
00:45:06,400 --> 00:45:09,440
facing in our city the mayor's presented

779
00:45:09,440 --> 00:45:12,200
us with a balance budget it's 3%

780
00:45:12,200 --> 00:45:14,280
sometimes 4% I didn't go to reach

781
00:45:14,280 --> 00:45:16,880
department head um that was the ask

782
00:45:16,880 --> 00:45:20,119
that's what's there um I

783
00:45:20,119 --> 00:45:25,589
don't like to have an

784
00:45:25,599 --> 00:45:27,680
increase in

785
00:45:27,680 --> 00:45:31,480
ask from department

786
00:45:31,480 --> 00:45:34,599
heads when every department head has an

787
00:45:34,599 --> 00:45:36,359
opportunity to come before us and where

788
00:45:36,359 --> 00:45:39,200
does that leave us giving everyone a 10

789
00:45:39,200 --> 00:45:41,079
15 20%

790
00:45:41,079 --> 00:45:43,800
51% increase where does that leave us as

791
00:45:43,800 --> 00:45:46,240
taxpayers which we all are as

792
00:45:46,240 --> 00:45:50,119
well right and and to your point like to

793
00:45:50,119 --> 00:45:52,160
that makes a lot of sense to me that's

794
00:45:52,160 --> 00:45:54,559
what I'm saying but I know what was

795
00:45:54,559 --> 00:45:58,480
presented to us wasn't 3 4% for everyone

796
00:45:58,480 --> 00:46:02,760
across the board it wasn't that it was 3

797
00:46:02,760 --> 00:46:06,000
4% and then and then

798
00:46:06,000 --> 00:46:08,720
individual was like how much there were

799
00:46:08,720 --> 00:46:11,720
some positions that was upwards of what

800
00:46:11,720 --> 00:46:13,319
was the percentage for the highest you

801
00:46:13,319 --> 00:46:15,880
said 51% 51 so I think that there's a

802
00:46:15,880 --> 00:46:17,400
lot of daylight I said that three and

803
00:46:17,400 --> 00:46:20,040
four and then 51% again we discussed

804
00:46:20,040 --> 00:46:22,040
that that was going to fill a position

805
00:46:22,040 --> 00:46:24,520
that we needed to fill and we had to

806
00:46:24,520 --> 00:46:28,040
bring it up to salary so um

807
00:46:28,040 --> 00:46:30,359
again with the position that we're in as

808
00:46:30,359 --> 00:46:34,359
a city and the deficit we're facing I

809
00:46:34,359 --> 00:46:37,640
know somebody coming in I think once

810
00:46:37,640 --> 00:46:39,640
before

811
00:46:39,640 --> 00:46:43,319
um auto warranty I'm

812
00:46:43,319 --> 00:46:45,200
sure selling

813
00:46:45,200 --> 00:46:47,400
Insurance to donate

814
00:46:47,400 --> 00:46:49,839
money they're going to settle this one

815
00:46:49,839 --> 00:46:52,280
and for but for clearity I wasn't so

816
00:46:52,280 --> 00:46:54,920
again the time when the ask was before

817
00:46:54,920 --> 00:46:57,040
we were in a much different position we

818
00:46:57,040 --> 00:46:58,880
facing a you know a much different

819
00:46:58,880 --> 00:47:02,760
position now than we were 3 four 6 5

820
00:47:02,760 --> 00:47:05,680
years ago so I was just trying to make

821
00:47:05,680 --> 00:47:07,319
sure you understood the nature of my

822
00:47:07,319 --> 00:47:10,839
question like I was wasn't dis right

823
00:47:10,839 --> 00:47:15,960
sure so um yes we are facing deficit but

824
00:47:15,960 --> 00:47:17,920
again we want to keep as I said we want

825
00:47:17,920 --> 00:47:19,359
to keep good employees and that just

826
00:47:19,359 --> 00:47:21,960
does not narrow down to one employee so

827
00:47:21,960 --> 00:47:23,280
I think we should take that in

828
00:47:23,280 --> 00:47:26,359
consideration as well um I'm guessing

829
00:47:26,359 --> 00:47:27,640
that because still here that the

830
00:47:27,640 --> 00:47:29,520
Mayfields are valuable employees and

831
00:47:29,520 --> 00:47:32,960
that they're doing their job so uh when

832
00:47:32,960 --> 00:47:34,559
we talk about that I know that we have

833
00:47:34,559 --> 00:47:38,440
tax increases that's the nature of of of

834
00:47:38,440 --> 00:47:43,480
inflation and all the other things that are a part of it so I don't say

835
00:47:43,480 --> 00:47:46,430
that we say to employees well

836
00:47:46,430 --> 00:47:48,000
[Music]

837
00:47:48,000 --> 00:47:50,240
because the you know we're having this

838
00:47:50,240 --> 00:47:51,920
time that you can't get additional you

839
00:47:51,920 --> 00:47:53,160
know because they're they're facing

840
00:47:53,160 --> 00:47:55,079
inflation as well so you can't get

841
00:47:55,079 --> 00:47:57,680
raises based on the work that you do for

842
00:47:57,680 --> 00:47:59,400
the city and if we're trying to talk

843
00:47:59,400 --> 00:48:00,960
about keep good employees then I think

844
00:48:00,960 --> 00:48:02,640
that we that needs to be

845
00:48:02,640 --> 00:48:05,319
consideration and it was stated that you

846
00:48:05,319 --> 00:48:07,200
know we shouldn't be um setting salaries

847
00:48:07,200 --> 00:48:09,359
when this clearly states right here that

848
00:48:09,359 --> 00:48:11,559
that's one of our responsibilities to

849
00:48:11,559 --> 00:48:14,599
set the salaries for the staff I don't

850
00:48:14,599 --> 00:48:16,240
know I know that when it comes to the

851
00:48:16,240 --> 00:48:18,400
bargaining unit that's a whole different

852
00:48:18,400 --> 00:48:21,000
process and um maybe there needs to be a

853
00:48:21,000 --> 00:48:22,680
similar process for the management I

854
00:48:22,680 --> 00:48:26,119
don't know but there this is the process

855
00:48:26,119 --> 00:48:27,359
we have right now

856
00:48:27,359 --> 00:48:28,920
and this is how we have to deal with it

857
00:48:28,920 --> 00:48:31,599
so I also have a question is the

858
00:48:31,599 --> 00:48:33,000
recommendation that we do this whole

859
00:48:33,000 --> 00:48:34,880
market analysis and try to get in time

860
00:48:34,880 --> 00:48:36,520
for this budget because I don't see that

861
00:48:36,520 --> 00:48:41,000
well that's that's I was going to ask a

862
00:48:41,000 --> 00:48:42,960
question we got

863
00:48:42,960 --> 00:48:45,920
deadine if um in order to do that do we

864
00:48:45,920 --> 00:48:48,280
have to do a formal resolution or

865
00:48:48,280 --> 00:48:51,640
just yeah that's how the council

866
00:48:51,640 --> 00:48:54,160
takes so I think we we should we should

867
00:48:54,160 --> 00:48:57,480
address that and do a formal resolution

868
00:48:57,480 --> 00:49:03,000
to um ask the mayor request the mayor to look into that and we have that ready

869
00:49:03,000 --> 00:49:04,839
for you know

870
00:49:04,839 --> 00:49:06,520
next

871
00:49:06,520 --> 00:49:08,760
so that he said it's not going to be in

872
00:49:08,760 --> 00:49:10,119
time for this bud so we have to deal

873
00:49:10,119 --> 00:49:13,880
with the issues at hand yes so so yes I

874
00:49:13,880 --> 00:49:15,880
understand but I think um we should put

875
00:49:15,880 --> 00:49:17,880
that in place so that we don't have to

876
00:49:17,880 --> 00:49:20,359
be repeating this again next time that

877
00:49:20,359 --> 00:49:22,200
we have that study so Sam can you please

878
00:49:22,200 --> 00:49:24,720
um put that on the agenda for us to do

879
00:49:24,720 --> 00:49:27,240
that formal um stuff and um

880
00:49:27,240 --> 00:49:30,160
and we get that um to the mayor so that

881
00:49:30,160 --> 00:49:33,240
study can be start and complete and

882
00:49:33,240 --> 00:49:35,440
provided to us sometimes and we thanks

883
00:49:35,440 --> 00:49:38,240
here thank you I'm sure also sure these

884
00:49:38,240 --> 00:49:41,160
studies aren't free that's

885
00:49:41,160 --> 00:49:45,680
okay here we are just just documents

886
00:49:45,680 --> 00:49:48,440
just saying um you know not even

887
00:49:48,440 --> 00:49:50,079
familiar with what it might be but I'm

888
00:49:50,079 --> 00:49:52,359
sure it's in the upd so thousands and

889
00:49:52,359 --> 00:49:55,319
thousands of dollars well we have an HR

890
00:49:55,319 --> 00:49:56,440
department so I don't think they going

891
00:49:56,440 --> 00:49:58,799
to H want to do a a market analysis that

892
00:49:58,799 --> 00:50:01,160
HR can do that and every every HR

893
00:50:01,160 --> 00:50:03,160
department does that well yes it's going

894
00:50:03,160 --> 00:50:05,960
to cost us if we decide to implement it

895
00:50:05,960 --> 00:50:07,640
to come Inc compatible but then that's

896
00:50:07,640 --> 00:50:09,200
what we're going to look at and then we

897
00:50:09,200 --> 00:50:11,160
can say as a council and as the mayor

898
00:50:11,160 --> 00:50:11,920
and

899
00:50:11,920 --> 00:50:14,480
administration are we ready to do this

900
00:50:14,480 --> 00:50:15,799
and that will be the biggest question on

901
00:50:15,799 --> 00:50:17,839
the table but I think we need to do that

902
00:50:17,839 --> 00:50:20,470
market

903
00:50:20,480 --> 00:50:22,880
analysis go ahead please um I think

904
00:50:22,880 --> 00:50:24,720
folks are making great points all around

905
00:50:24,720 --> 00:50:27,160
the table um and I do

906
00:50:27,160 --> 00:50:30,799
appreciate the idea of being consistent

907
00:50:30,799 --> 00:50:32,559
um I do think it's a good idea to do the

908
00:50:32,559 --> 00:50:35,640
market analysis um I absolutely do not

909
00:50:35,640 --> 00:50:36,720
think we're going to be able to do it in

910
00:50:36,720 --> 00:50:39,079
time for this budget um but I think it's

911
00:50:39,079 --> 00:50:40,680
something that we should move forward

912
00:50:40,680 --> 00:50:44,480
with um one solution I think I I support

913
00:50:44,480 --> 00:50:47,480
the 3% raise um I think that's where we

914
00:50:47,480 --> 00:50:51,480
should land um this evening I think that

915
00:50:51,480 --> 00:50:56,400
um is what has come to us um via uh the

916
00:50:56,400 --> 00:50:58,160
disc discussions that the mayor had with

917
00:50:58,160 --> 00:51:00,720
department heads um I don't have a

918
00:51:00,720 --> 00:51:03,040
problem if there's an individual that

919
00:51:03,040 --> 00:51:04,720
because there's a justification there in

920
00:51:04,720 --> 00:51:06,839
terms of the retirement that that might

921
00:51:06,839 --> 00:51:08,920
be coming down the pipe but again I

922
00:51:08,920 --> 00:51:11,680
think we could kind of um revisit that

923
00:51:11,680 --> 00:51:16,880
um but um I think one solution might be

924
00:51:16,880 --> 00:51:20,319
to move forward from this and have to

925
00:51:20,319 --> 00:51:24,720
come back um at another another time in

926
00:51:24,720 --> 00:51:28,799
the year and think about whether we have to make any adjustments by via

927
00:51:28,799 --> 00:51:32,040
budget amendments um which we have done

928
00:51:32,040 --> 00:51:34,720
in the past as well but um so I I think

929
00:51:34,720 --> 00:51:37,480
we should stay consistent now um I

930
00:51:37,480 --> 00:51:39,079
really appreciate the fact that we're

931
00:51:39,079 --> 00:51:41,480
raising taxes so I don't think that I

932
00:51:41,480 --> 00:51:44,880
think the 3% raise is fair um across the

933
00:51:44,880 --> 00:51:48,599
board um I do appreciate the idea of

934
00:51:48,599 --> 00:51:52,200
having a market analysis later um and

935
00:51:52,200 --> 00:51:55,079
that perhaps we can revisit mid year um

936
00:51:55,079 --> 00:51:56,799
at least look at what the results of the

937
00:51:56,799 --> 00:51:58,319
market analysis and at least start

938
00:51:58,319 --> 00:51:59,839
planning for what we might do in the

939
00:51:59,839 --> 00:52:01,559
future well I think that's what I'm

940
00:52:01,559 --> 00:52:04,200
trying to that is once we we we

941
00:52:04,200 --> 00:52:06,839
requested that formally and study is out

942
00:52:06,839 --> 00:52:08,400
and then we look at it as a council and

943
00:52:08,400 --> 00:52:10,240
then we said okay and if we are in

944
00:52:10,240 --> 00:52:11,440
agreement to move forward then we'll

945
00:52:11,440 --> 00:52:13,119
have to do a budget reappropriation at

946
00:52:13,119 --> 00:52:14,839
some point in time if there's agreement

947
00:52:14,839 --> 00:52:17,079
across the board to do that and we have

948
00:52:17,079 --> 00:52:19,680
the funding most important thing right

949
00:52:19,680 --> 00:52:22,200
have the funding to do it so just so I'm

950
00:52:22,200 --> 00:52:24,760
clear Mr Patrick you're saying

951
00:52:24,760 --> 00:52:27,280
3% across the board

952
00:52:27,280 --> 00:52:28,960
with

953
00:52:28,960 --> 00:52:32,680
no are you saying but that 3% across the

954
00:52:32,680 --> 00:52:36,240
board with no exceptions no I'm saying

955
00:52:36,240 --> 00:52:39,000
3% across the board I'd be open to to

956
00:52:39,000 --> 00:52:41,119
still considering the race for that one

957
00:52:41,119 --> 00:52:43,160
individual who might be moving into a

958
00:52:43,160 --> 00:52:47,440
role that um sooner rather than later um

959
00:52:47,440 --> 00:52:51,000
but I'm open to continuing the

960
00:52:51,000 --> 00:52:53,990
discussion

961
00:52:54,000 --> 00:52:57,599
but all right thanks I can be

962
00:52:57,599 --> 00:52:59,359
compromising those yeah that's that's

963
00:52:59,359 --> 00:53:00,799
what I'm trying to do as well go ahead

964
00:53:00,799 --> 00:53:03,200
please I just also want to be clear when

965
00:53:03,200 --> 00:53:04,720
you talk about the market study and then

966
00:53:04,720 --> 00:53:07,559
we revisit this mid year are you saying

967
00:53:07,559 --> 00:53:10,079
that at this point in time we will not

968
00:53:10,079 --> 00:53:15,630
consider any other races and then

969
00:53:15,640 --> 00:53:23,710
M I'm not saying that loud too loud but

970
00:53:23,720 --> 00:53:27,040
uhis I'm going to whisper that um

971
00:53:27,040 --> 00:53:29,319
I'm trying to sense it in a feeling that

972
00:53:29,319 --> 00:53:31,880
um do the study we know where we're

973
00:53:31,880 --> 00:53:34,359
Landing we're not guessing at number

974
00:53:34,359 --> 00:53:36,440
this is coming from professional where

975
00:53:36,440 --> 00:53:38,280
here we're going to have a realistic

976
00:53:38,280 --> 00:53:40,680
number in terms of position and we

977
00:53:40,680 --> 00:53:43,040
revisit it at that point in time I am

978
00:53:43,040 --> 00:53:44,760
not against it the majority of the

979
00:53:44,760 --> 00:53:46,960
council would like to move forward on on

980
00:53:46,960 --> 00:53:49,799
one or two and the exception of one or

981
00:53:49,799 --> 00:53:52,599
two that I'm fine with that but um I

982
00:53:52,599 --> 00:53:55,720
will overall revisit it next year each

983
00:53:55,720 --> 00:53:57,640
and every single dep Department here but

984
00:53:57,640 --> 00:54:00,200
again I'm I'm willing I'm on this table

985
00:54:00,200 --> 00:54:03,000
here and I'm willing to make compromise

986
00:54:03,000 --> 00:54:04,520
as I've said it from the beginning and

987
00:54:04,520 --> 00:54:07,240
to move forward I am not going to dig my

988
00:54:07,240 --> 00:54:10,040
heel in the sand I made it very clear

989
00:54:10,040 --> 00:54:11,839
and I encourage everyone of us to do

990
00:54:11,839 --> 00:54:13,839
that that's compromised let's move

991
00:54:13,839 --> 00:54:16,119
forward and let's do what we have to do

992
00:54:16,119 --> 00:54:19,240
I I don't think um you know we we're

993
00:54:19,240 --> 00:54:20,799
sending a message to everyone of them

994
00:54:20,799 --> 00:54:22,960
we're at we appreciate everything that

995
00:54:22,960 --> 00:54:25,799
they're doing we're in crunch time we're

996
00:54:25,799 --> 00:54:27,599
raising taxes to maintain the services

997
00:54:27,599 --> 00:54:29,880
that we're providing to our

998
00:54:29,880 --> 00:54:32,319
taxpayers and we have to make sure that

999
00:54:32,319 --> 00:54:35,680
we have their backs at all times too so

1000
00:54:35,680 --> 00:54:37,119
I I just want to Echo some of that and

1001
00:54:37,119 --> 00:54:39,079
say that I don't think I I agree and I

1002
00:54:39,079 --> 00:54:42,079
think that this this is a very could be

1003
00:54:42,079 --> 00:54:43,480
a potentially very contentious

1004
00:54:43,480 --> 00:54:45,160
conversation but I do appreciate the way

1005
00:54:45,160 --> 00:54:46,920
that it's happening at the table I think

1006
00:54:46,920 --> 00:54:49,280
everyone at the table um is acting in

1007
00:54:49,280 --> 00:54:52,079
good faith and um you know and I was

1008
00:54:52,079 --> 00:54:53,640
asking council members what their

1009
00:54:53,640 --> 00:54:56,400
position were I think that it's a

1010
00:54:56,400 --> 00:54:58,119
appropriate that I would say my position

1011
00:54:58,119 --> 00:55:03,200
would be um I wouldn't be comfortable

1012
00:55:03,200 --> 00:55:04,240
with

1013
00:55:04,240 --> 00:55:09,040
3% across the board and then one or

1014
00:55:09,040 --> 00:55:13,480
two positions at 50% I think that that

1015
00:55:13,480 --> 00:55:16,789
is a

1016
00:55:16,799 --> 00:55:20,319
drastic comparison and distinction

1017
00:55:20,319 --> 00:55:22,839
that even with the variables that were

1018
00:55:22,839 --> 00:55:25,039
presented so I think again we have to

1019
00:55:25,039 --> 00:55:27,240
your point maybe we just have to to take

1020
00:55:27,240 --> 00:55:29,000
a step back and I think that maybe this

1021
00:55:29,000 --> 00:55:31,359
is something that we

1022
00:55:31,359 --> 00:55:35,720
um move for uh efficiency sake move

1023
00:55:35,720 --> 00:55:38,480
further down the agenda in this process

1024
00:55:38,480 --> 00:55:40,599
that's would be completely up to you um

1025
00:55:40,599 --> 00:55:42,799
uh chair but maybe that's something but

1026
00:55:42,799 --> 00:55:44,640
I just want I just want to Echo one to I

1027
00:55:44,640 --> 00:55:47,160
mean if if there's any

1028
00:55:47,160 --> 00:55:50,400
retirement May right to Agate someone or

1029
00:55:50,400 --> 00:55:52,640
hire someone new that person will go

1030
00:55:52,640 --> 00:55:54,559
into that position and that line is

1031
00:55:54,559 --> 00:55:57,640
funded already so we we do have funding

1032
00:55:57,640 --> 00:56:00,160
on that line and whoever the mayor

1033
00:56:00,160 --> 00:56:03,440
choose to hire will go into that line so

1034
00:56:03,440 --> 00:56:04,880
there if there's funding on the deputy

1035
00:56:04,880 --> 00:56:06,960
line it will not affect that line the

1036
00:56:06,960 --> 00:56:09,880
promotion or the the hire will take that

1037
00:56:09,880 --> 00:56:11,920
funding from that line at a given time

1038
00:56:11,920 --> 00:56:14,240
could you explain anything El so right

1039
00:56:14,240 --> 00:56:17,520
now we have funding for the commissioner

1040
00:56:17,520 --> 00:56:19,039
at 100

1041
00:56:19,039 --> 00:56:22,190
propos

1042
00:56:22,200 --> 00:56:28,000
33,000 and the proposal for the um def

1043
00:56:28,000 --> 00:56:29,039
is

1044
00:56:29,039 --> 00:56:31,880
120 I might be off a little sure sure so

1045
00:56:31,880 --> 00:56:33,960
if there's a retirement that line

1046
00:56:33,960 --> 00:56:35,720
becomes

1047
00:56:35,720 --> 00:56:38,240
available if the May hire someone and

1048
00:56:38,240 --> 00:56:39,960
put that person in the line there the

1049
00:56:39,960 --> 00:56:42,720
salary continue that funding is there to

1050
00:56:42,720 --> 00:56:45,910
continue that

1051
00:56:45,920 --> 00:56:48,119
higher so if there's a promotion with

1052
00:56:48,119 --> 00:56:50,480
him it just move upward and then that

1053
00:56:50,480 --> 00:56:53,039
position become vacant until there's a

1054
00:56:53,039 --> 00:56:55,200
promotion or hire to fill that out of

1055
00:56:55,200 --> 00:56:57,720
line

1056
00:56:57,720 --> 00:57:00,799
so we should consider that

1057
00:57:00,799 --> 00:57:03,760
so I think back to uh the rhetorical

1058
00:57:03,760 --> 00:57:05,920
question that Mr Williams asked I do

1059
00:57:05,920 --> 00:57:08,559
think that our primary you know we're

1060
00:57:08,559 --> 00:57:13,920
here for the residents and I think that one point of we're raising the

1061
00:57:13,920 --> 00:57:16,160
taxes um I think we have to be very

1062
00:57:16,160 --> 00:57:18,000
mindful of that in terms of this

1063
00:57:18,000 --> 00:57:20,400
discussion about raises

1064
00:57:20,400 --> 00:57:25,359
so and I would say in response to that is why I'm responding to the

1065
00:57:25,359 --> 00:57:27,440
proposed budget with that same

1066
00:57:27,440 --> 00:57:30,400
understanding in mind um I would

1067
00:57:30,400 --> 00:57:35,039
say hearing everyone around the table um

1068
00:57:35,039 --> 00:57:38,599
following the invitation for the number

1069
00:57:38,599 --> 00:57:40,680
of individuals in the email to respond

1070
00:57:40,680 --> 00:57:41,839
don't think we've gotten any further

1071
00:57:41,839 --> 00:57:45,960
responses am I not correct I'm not here

1072
00:57:45,960 --> 00:57:47,760
hi Mr sorry and an email that was sent

1073
00:57:47,760 --> 00:57:49,200
out later today were there any

1074
00:57:49,200 --> 00:57:53,200
additional responses from City

1075
00:57:53,200 --> 00:57:57,119
St I I didn't

1076
00:57:57,119 --> 00:57:59,440
in the last hour so I haven't received

1077
00:57:59,440 --> 00:58:02,720
any so this would be the final one I

1078
00:58:02,720 --> 00:58:06,720
would say in in the manner in which I've

1079
00:58:06,720 --> 00:58:08,160
been a member of this Council we've

1080
00:58:08,160 --> 00:58:10,680
entertained these such conversations so

1081
00:58:10,680 --> 00:58:13,319
I would not be opposed to taking this

1082
00:58:13,319 --> 00:58:16,400
into consideration as well as we

1083
00:58:16,400 --> 00:58:19,520
anticipate how we continue addressing

1084
00:58:19,520 --> 00:58:22,200
this issue next year I think it is

1085
00:58:22,200 --> 00:58:23,640
important to make sure we capture this

1086
00:58:23,640 --> 00:58:25,640
appropriately if we are doing a market

1087
00:58:25,640 --> 00:58:27,839
adjustment you're not giving the city

1088
00:58:27,839 --> 00:58:29,200
staff anything short of what they

1089
00:58:29,200 --> 00:58:31,520
deserve and what they've earned with

1090
00:58:31,520 --> 00:58:32,880
their knowledge skills and abilities

1091
00:58:32,880 --> 00:58:35,640
over the years Market evaluations are

1092
00:58:35,640 --> 00:58:38,000
continuing in the industry and often

1093
00:58:38,000 --> 00:58:41,680
times Market are evaluated annually I'm

1094
00:58:41,680 --> 00:58:44,599
not promoting that but I'm saying the

1095
00:58:44,599 --> 00:58:46,160
cost of running the city is the cost of

1096
00:58:46,160 --> 00:58:48,960
running the city so I think if we start

1097
00:58:48,960 --> 00:58:51,760
this we see it through to completion

1098
00:58:51,760 --> 00:58:55,400
however after making this a formal

1099
00:58:55,400 --> 00:58:57,359
opportunity for everyone to respond we

1100
00:58:57,359 --> 00:58:59,119
have only heard from this individual so

1101
00:58:59,119 --> 00:59:00,799
to your point everyone has been

1102
00:59:00,799 --> 00:59:03,200
presented with the same Fair

1103
00:59:03,200 --> 00:59:06,640
opportunity so I think in hearing that I

1104
00:59:06,640 --> 00:59:09,520
am comfortable responding to this email

1105
00:59:09,520 --> 00:59:10,559
as the

1106
00:59:10,559 --> 00:59:13,200
last as we currently have budget

1107
00:59:13,200 --> 00:59:15,559
meetings P

1108
00:59:15,559 --> 00:59:17,960
this and to add to that I think the

1109
00:59:17,960 --> 00:59:20,640
mayor was very directive uh when as an

1110
00:59:20,640 --> 00:59:23,319
email to his department heads to reach

1111
00:59:23,319 --> 00:59:26,319
out to the council or to be here at the

1112
00:59:26,319 --> 00:59:28,400
in 5:30 to kind of if they feel that

1113
00:59:28,400 --> 00:59:34,750
they need to discuss with us any salary

1114
00:59:34,760 --> 00:59:37,760
increase Chief Marina is

1115
00:59:37,760 --> 00:59:46,210
here forget about it chief he also

1116
00:59:46,220 --> 00:59:49,079
[Music]

1117
00:59:49,079 --> 00:59:52,520
wants Patrick yeah I think um I just

1118
00:59:52,520 --> 00:59:54,440
want to have a point of clarification we

1119
00:59:54,440 --> 00:59:57,160
haven't decided on any of the

1120
00:59:57,160 --> 01:00:00,799
um we haven't decided on the salary that

1121
01:00:00,799 --> 01:00:05,280
correct recomend and this actually um

1122
01:00:05,280 --> 01:00:08,079
came last looks like it went last night

1123
01:00:08,079 --> 01:00:11,440
so meeting I'm sorry like right after

1124
01:00:11,440 --> 01:00:13,720
our meeting yeah she's she's uh the

1125
01:00:13,720 --> 01:00:15,880
person is indicating that she was

1126
01:00:15,880 --> 01:00:17,680
watching our meeting and that that was

1127
01:00:17,680 --> 01:00:19,599
why so it wasn't that um that other

1128
01:00:19,599 --> 01:00:21,960
email went out this afternoon asking

1129
01:00:21,960 --> 01:00:24,920
people to send in requests um if they

1130
01:00:24,920 --> 01:00:26,640
were interested this was before that

1131
01:00:26,640 --> 01:00:29,480
actually just it said to show up we be

1132
01:00:29,480 --> 01:00:33,280
here all right I think disc we're

1133
01:00:33,280 --> 01:00:35,520
discussing at L I will ask we just move

1134
01:00:35,520 --> 01:00:38,039
on and we'll revisit this um before we

1135
01:00:38,039 --> 01:00:41,640
close and move to um other points um if

1136
01:00:41,640 --> 01:00:43,839
you don't mind yeah we can Mr probably

1137
01:00:43,839 --> 01:00:45,839
take that and just move to another

1138
01:00:45,839 --> 01:00:50,200
discussion and then we'll R this um it's

1139
01:00:50,200 --> 01:00:53,440
a hot discussion do we want to um Carl

1140
01:00:53,440 --> 01:00:56,079
let's go through um this list from the

1141
01:00:56,079 --> 01:00:59,750
top

1142
01:00:59,760 --> 01:01:06,589
down this l oh

1143
01:01:06,599 --> 01:01:09,319
okay man you send us an email this

1144
01:01:09,319 --> 01:01:12,880
afternoon yes I did late this

1145
01:01:12,880 --> 01:01:15,880
afternoon meetings all day

1146
01:01:15,880 --> 01:01:18,440
[Music]

1147
01:01:18,440 --> 01:01:20,440
want

1148
01:01:20,440 --> 01:01:23,440
certainly yesterday um the discussion

1149
01:01:23,440 --> 01:01:25,680
around the table was um the huge um you

1150
01:01:25,680 --> 01:01:27,520
progam

1151
01:01:27,520 --> 01:01:31,039
and currently in the budget is

1152
01:01:31,039 --> 01:01:35,359
$150,000 Mr parley had um recommend that

1153
01:01:35,359 --> 01:01:38,520
we consider increasing that by 100,000

1154
01:01:38,520 --> 01:01:39,960
to

1155
01:01:39,960 --> 01:01:42,720
250,000 and then there's an email today

1156
01:01:42,720 --> 01:01:44,960
this afternoon from Mr parley that to

1157
01:01:44,960 --> 01:01:48,799
bring that to $300,000 and to R name

1158
01:01:48,799 --> 01:01:52,400
that line to you Services Mr

1159
01:01:52,400 --> 01:01:55,599
Harley sure so I just think um you know

1160
01:01:55,599 --> 01:01:59,520
this is a unique line um I do have to

1161
01:01:59,520 --> 01:02:02,799
say that I'm um somewhat biased in this

1162
01:02:02,799 --> 01:02:05,680
because you know being the you know one

1163
01:02:05,680 --> 01:02:07,960
of the things that uh myself and the

1164
01:02:07,960 --> 01:02:10,559
mayor and council president was really

1165
01:02:10,559 --> 01:02:13,400
uh spearheading was trying to make sure

1166
01:02:13,400 --> 01:02:15,039
that the city for the first time ever

1167
01:02:15,039 --> 01:02:22,480
had a Youth Employment Program is a very needed thing so I guess what I

1168
01:02:22,480 --> 01:02:24,119
think there was some confusion yesterday

1169
01:02:24,119 --> 01:02:26,680
because I know that the lines had

1170
01:02:26,680 --> 01:02:29,400
we spent uh 90 something perc of the

1171
01:02:29,400 --> 01:02:31,240
money the first year and then the second

1172
01:02:31,240 --> 01:02:33,920
year we we didn't spend um quite as

1173
01:02:33,920 --> 01:02:35,359
anywhere near as much as that and I

1174
01:02:35,359 --> 01:02:37,960
think that that was more of a

1175
01:02:37,960 --> 01:02:40,000
programmatic shift than it was a shift

1176
01:02:40,000 --> 01:02:47,799
in need um um so it was I think on the city only has so much capacity um

1177
01:02:47,799 --> 01:02:50,599
and but the need is still great and I

1178
01:02:50,599 --> 01:02:53,440
think for you know for for the Youth

1179
01:02:53,440 --> 01:02:57,400
line I I think that we definitely I mean

1180
01:02:57,400 --> 01:03:00,039
I was really trying to and I hope you

1181
01:03:00,039 --> 01:03:01,760
guys received this in the right spirit I

1182
01:03:01,760 --> 01:03:04,160
was really trying to

1183
01:03:04,160 --> 01:03:08,640
uh be as uh conservative as I could with

1184
01:03:08,640 --> 01:03:11,599
that line um because I think that line

1185
01:03:11,599 --> 01:03:15,720
is unique in the way that it's not again

1186
01:03:15,720 --> 01:03:17,960
it's not just about the larger picture

1187
01:03:17,960 --> 01:03:20,160
big picture is you know keeping our

1188
01:03:20,160 --> 01:03:22,799
youth engaged in pro-social activities

1189
01:03:22,799 --> 01:03:24,400
you know I think that we all see what's

1190
01:03:24,400 --> 01:03:26,440
good about that but I think the piece

1191
01:03:26,440 --> 01:03:29,160
about that is that you know there's

1192
01:03:29,160 --> 01:03:31,480
money that's going to go into our local

1193
01:03:31,480 --> 01:03:35,160
economy and and much likely to

1194
01:03:35,160 --> 01:03:38,160
be you know spent inside of our local

1195
01:03:38,160 --> 01:03:40,359
economy unlike some of the other things

1196
01:03:40,359 --> 01:03:42,440
that we are funding for you

1197
01:03:42,440 --> 01:03:46,359
know even some of our nonprofits you

1198
01:03:46,359 --> 01:03:48,440
know things that we are this is

1199
01:03:48,440 --> 01:03:50,000
something that does goes directly to

1200
01:03:50,000 --> 01:03:51,920
Youth and can change the material

1201
01:03:51,920 --> 01:03:55,039
conditions of the people themselves as

1202
01:03:55,039 --> 01:03:57,480
to what some of our larger uh things

1203
01:03:57,480 --> 01:03:59,760
that we are funding are going to

1204
01:03:59,760 --> 01:04:04,160
nonprofits and some of that money um is

1205
01:04:04,160 --> 01:04:08,359
people who don't live in our city and

1206
01:04:08,359 --> 01:04:10,119
actually support other tax bases with

1207
01:04:10,119 --> 01:04:12,480
that so I think if we consider the fact

1208
01:04:12,480 --> 01:04:15,480
that the very clear need for our youth

1209
01:04:15,480 --> 01:04:16,960
um to be engaged in pro-social

1210
01:04:16,960 --> 01:04:19,400
activities you accompany that with the

1211
01:04:19,400 --> 01:04:21,520
fact that this is really an investment

1212
01:04:21,520 --> 01:04:22,960
because that money will circulate

1213
01:04:22,960 --> 01:04:25,039
through our local economy and then you

1214
01:04:25,039 --> 01:04:27,400
think about the accompany that with the

1215
01:04:27,400 --> 01:04:30,400
fact that we know that idle times for

1216
01:04:30,400 --> 01:04:34,319
youth will definitely increase our our

1217
01:04:34,319 --> 01:04:38,240
Public Safety cost and with our police

1218
01:04:38,240 --> 01:04:40,480
budget especially um I think that

1219
01:04:40,480 --> 01:04:41,880
there's a there's some compounding

1220
01:04:41,880 --> 01:04:43,559
factors there or we should really be

1221
01:04:43,559 --> 01:04:46,599
taking a look at that line 300 was or

1222
01:04:46,599 --> 01:04:50,039
doubling that line was really the best I

1223
01:04:50,039 --> 01:04:51,839
could

1224
01:04:51,839 --> 01:04:55,880
uh do without I still I still feel

1225
01:04:55,880 --> 01:04:57,359
that's very modest is what I'm saying

1226
01:04:57,359 --> 01:05:07,829
based on all those

1227
01:05:07,839 --> 01:05:12,240
things go ahead please so I my position

1228
01:05:12,240 --> 01:05:14,319
on this is that the the first year we

1229
01:05:14,319 --> 01:05:17,480
put 150,000 to it we didn't quite reach

1230
01:05:17,480 --> 01:05:20,039
it even with all the partners at the

1231
01:05:20,039 --> 01:05:22,920
table so um I understand the request I

1232
01:05:22,920 --> 01:05:25,359
certain as the request for additional I

1233
01:05:25,359 --> 01:05:26,480
don't

1234
01:05:26,480 --> 01:05:28,920
necessarily doubling it at this time

1235
01:05:28,920 --> 01:05:31,720
does that in my opinion would increase

1236
01:05:31,720 --> 01:05:35,279
it and spend you know and and see how we

1237
01:05:35,279 --> 01:05:37,799
do with with not just the city being

1238
01:05:37,799 --> 01:05:39,720
doing the program but others as well and

1239
01:05:39,720 --> 01:05:41,240
if there's need just like with anything

1240
01:05:41,240 --> 01:05:43,799
else then we just increase it you know

1241
01:05:43,799 --> 01:05:45,480
we go back and make an adjustment

1242
01:05:45,480 --> 01:05:48,760
because um because there's more of a

1243
01:05:48,760 --> 01:05:50,680
need the other thing we also discussed

1244
01:05:50,680 --> 01:05:52,119
last night in terms of increasing is

1245
01:05:52,119 --> 01:05:54,960
that when an person gets someone to work

1246
01:05:54,960 --> 01:05:58,200
for them that may they can also either

1247
01:05:58,200 --> 01:06:01,839
donate or um pay some comp part of the

1248
01:06:01,839 --> 01:06:04,520
compensation as opposed to be the entire

1249
01:06:04,520 --> 01:06:06,200
of the city because it was said that

1250
01:06:06,200 --> 01:06:08,079
they were getting free labor which you

1251
01:06:08,079 --> 01:06:10,720
know free is sometimes free is good but

1252
01:06:10,720 --> 01:06:13,240
um that they would also invest in that

1253
01:06:13,240 --> 01:06:15,520
in the the program themselves through

1254
01:06:15,520 --> 01:06:19,160
partially paying for that so for me I

1255
01:06:19,160 --> 01:06:21,799
don't see raising it up to the $300,000

1256
01:06:21,799 --> 01:06:27,160
level and excuse me yeah um and last night I walked away with the

1257
01:06:27,160 --> 01:06:30,520
thought that it was 250 sure so today

1258
01:06:30,520 --> 01:06:32,960
you know so so that's my position that

1259
01:06:32,960 --> 01:06:34,559
you know we have to like as as

1260
01:06:34,559 --> 01:06:37,160
everything based on on PRI history and

1261
01:06:37,160 --> 01:06:40,760
in 22 we didn't quite make it to the 150

1262
01:06:40,760 --> 01:06:42,559
so increasing it and then increasing our

1263
01:06:42,559 --> 01:06:45,000
Outreach and all that I say yes we do

1264
01:06:45,000 --> 01:06:47,960
that and also ask the people who are

1265
01:06:47,960 --> 01:06:49,920
getting people to work for them to also

1266
01:06:49,920 --> 01:06:53,000
partially invest in the program as well

1267
01:06:53,000 --> 01:06:56,520
and that so therefore the city is not as

1268
01:06:56,520 --> 01:06:59,559
much so I I would say so I think our the

1269
01:06:59,559 --> 01:07:03,200
first year we spent upwards of 140

1270
01:07:03,200 --> 01:07:05,000
something th000 the entire budget was

1271
01:07:05,000 --> 01:07:09,960
only 150 so if the the agency that's

1272
01:07:09,960 --> 01:07:11,200
managing

1273
01:07:11,200 --> 01:07:14,680
that once they get close to that 150 you

1274
01:07:14,680 --> 01:07:16,599
have to stop because if you don't stop

1275
01:07:16,599 --> 01:07:18,559
then you're going to be responsible for

1276
01:07:18,559 --> 01:07:21,319
paying youth whoever wherever they're at

1277
01:07:21,319 --> 01:07:24,400
so I think that like that first year

1278
01:07:24,400 --> 01:07:27,319
that spending 100

1279
01:07:27,319 --> 01:07:29,279
just say but it it was more than that

1280
01:07:29,279 --> 01:07:32,440
though it was a little bit over 140 yeah

1281
01:07:32,440 --> 01:07:34,039
so so I say like

1282
01:07:34,039 --> 01:07:37,240
$140,000 for the first year of that

1283
01:07:37,240 --> 01:07:41,079
program um I think that that I consider

1284
01:07:41,079 --> 01:07:46,200
that a pretty strong compelling reason

1285
01:07:46,200 --> 01:07:48,720
to say like that the need is there and

1286
01:07:48,720 --> 01:07:52,839
then the second year I really

1287
01:07:52,839 --> 01:07:56,279
can't you can't really calate that

1288
01:07:56,279 --> 01:08:00,079
because the model shifted so much so you

1289
01:08:00,079 --> 01:08:03,559
spent a third of of what was was done

1290
01:08:03,559 --> 01:08:04,799
the first year and I think that that was

1291
01:08:04,799 --> 01:08:08,400
just based on the programmatic shift um

1292
01:08:08,400 --> 01:08:10,319
and I think to your point around like

1293
01:08:10,319 --> 01:08:12,559
other people contributing um and

1294
01:08:12,559 --> 01:08:15,079
employers contributing um I think that's

1295
01:08:15,079 --> 01:08:16,839
a great idea and I think if that's the

1296
01:08:16,839 --> 01:08:18,759
case then we'll just have a larger

1297
01:08:18,759 --> 01:08:20,880
capacity to reach more youth in that way

1298
01:08:20,880 --> 01:08:23,040
so that's the way I would look at that

1299
01:08:23,040 --> 01:08:26,359
um but your your point is well taken um

1300
01:08:26,359 --> 01:08:29,880
and yesterday when I was I did uh say

1301
01:08:29,880 --> 01:08:31,839
I'd like to increase it by 100,000 that

1302
01:08:31,839 --> 01:08:33,199
was something that I did say at this

1303
01:08:33,199 --> 01:08:39,719
table and then once I uh looked at the numbers in the county um around the

1304
01:08:39,719 --> 01:08:42,080
amount of Youth that they sered and I

1305
01:08:42,080 --> 01:08:43,640
considered I started to really make the

1306
01:08:43,640 --> 01:08:45,440
consideration of like that's money

1307
01:08:45,440 --> 01:08:47,279
that's still going to live in our city

1308
01:08:47,279 --> 01:08:49,480
versus you know so we might get to

1309
01:08:49,480 --> 01:08:51,960
leverage that

1310
01:08:51,960 --> 01:08:54,279
300,000 uh dollars and I think I'm not

1311
01:08:54,279 --> 01:08:56,679
sure on the research but you know I

1312
01:08:56,679 --> 01:08:58,799
think that the money the the researcher

1313
01:08:58,799 --> 01:09:00,080
show that the money will circulate in

1314
01:09:00,080 --> 01:09:02,359
our community for almost six times

1315
01:09:02,359 --> 01:09:05,679
before it leaves based on you know where

1316
01:09:05,679 --> 01:09:07,799
we're funding some of these uh

1317
01:09:07,799 --> 01:09:10,759
nonprofits with with

1318
01:09:10,759 --> 01:09:13,880
uh largely a lot of their administrative

1319
01:09:13,880 --> 01:09:15,960
staff not living in the city that's a

1320
01:09:15,960 --> 01:09:17,400
drop in the bucket compared to what we

1321
01:09:17,400 --> 01:09:18,839
give to them and a lot of times those

1322
01:09:18,839 --> 01:09:21,040
dollars go to support other tax bases

1323
01:09:21,040 --> 01:09:23,759
and you and you don't get the value get

1324
01:09:23,759 --> 01:09:26,600
from money economic in the city um

1325
01:09:26,600 --> 01:09:28,600
increasing Public Safety and enriching

1326
01:09:28,600 --> 01:09:30,799
you so that's those would be my um

1327
01:09:30,799 --> 01:09:32,880
points on that but your pointed I I

1328
01:09:32,880 --> 01:09:34,799
understand as far as the form looking at

1329
01:09:34,799 --> 01:09:38,319
past years that would be my response to

1330
01:09:38,319 --> 01:09:41,359
that go ahead I would support increasing

1331
01:09:41,359 --> 01:09:44,120
the youth employment line um I think it

1332
01:09:44,120 --> 01:09:47,199
it's um we've been talking last week

1333
01:09:47,199 --> 01:09:51,159
several of us talked about you know the things that had happened in the city

1334
01:09:51,159 --> 01:09:53,520
school district the week before um I

1335
01:09:53,520 --> 01:09:55,480
mean I think it's really valid to think

1336
01:09:55,480 --> 01:09:56,920
about how are we fostering youth

1337
01:09:56,920 --> 01:09:59,040
leadership how are we supporting them I

1338
01:09:59,040 --> 01:10:01,280
think the income that I think it's

1339
01:10:01,280 --> 01:10:04,239
income that is needed but I also think

1340
01:10:04,239 --> 01:10:06,560
it's job skills and job skills training

1341
01:10:06,560 --> 01:10:08,760
that um I think all of us would also

1342
01:10:08,760 --> 01:10:12,320
support um so not sure about the number

1343
01:10:12,320 --> 01:10:15,120
um but I also we again I think this is a

1344
01:10:15,120 --> 01:10:18,120
place where using arpa funds taking arpa

1345
01:10:18,120 --> 01:10:21,360
funds away from an additional besides

1346
01:10:21,360 --> 01:10:23,840
the ones that um are already in our

1347
01:10:23,840 --> 01:10:25,960
operating budget based on on the four I

1348
01:10:25,960 --> 01:10:28,520
think it was that um Finance you know

1349
01:10:28,520 --> 01:10:30,280
that's in the budget I think there's

1350
01:10:30,280 --> 01:10:31,679
still an opportunity to look at those

1351
01:10:31,679 --> 01:10:34,440
arpa that arpa money and take this out

1352
01:10:34,440 --> 01:10:36,880
of that um and we would have to take it

1353
01:10:36,880 --> 01:10:40,640
away from someone um I get that but

1354
01:10:40,640 --> 01:10:44,320
um it will it will be a budgeted line

1355
01:10:44,320 --> 01:10:46,960
eventually it will be funded once we

1356
01:10:46,960 --> 01:10:48,679
start right I'm just saying I don't know

1357
01:10:48,679 --> 01:10:50,040
where we get I guess what I'm saying is

1358
01:10:50,040 --> 01:10:51,040
we have to figure out where we're going

1359
01:10:51,040 --> 01:10:53,280
to get the money from that's that's

1360
01:10:53,280 --> 01:10:55,920
there is an in andl we have that's right

1361
01:10:55,920 --> 01:10:58,280
saying when we get to the ARA discussion

1362
01:10:58,280 --> 01:11:00,440
there might be additional um ways that

1363
01:11:00,440 --> 01:11:02,400
we could get it there I'm just saying I

1364
01:11:02,400 --> 01:11:04,440
don't know where we get it from but um I

1365
01:11:04,440 --> 01:11:06,560
definitely would support increasing this

1366
01:11:06,560 --> 01:11:09,320
so just to be clear I have no objection

1367
01:11:09,320 --> 01:11:12,040
to supporting this level I would we

1368
01:11:12,040 --> 01:11:13,880
walked away last night 250 was the

1369
01:11:13,880 --> 01:11:15,880
number and I was like okay I'm good with

1370
01:11:15,880 --> 01:11:18,400
that and and I'm still good with

1371
01:11:18,400 --> 01:11:20,840
that go ahead please um I'm I'm

1372
01:11:20,840 --> 01:11:22,840
wondering like if we we put on the line

1373
01:11:22,840 --> 01:11:25,520
on the Youth Services

1374
01:11:25,520 --> 01:11:28,640
we it it we're going to commit to hoping

1375
01:11:28,640 --> 01:11:30,960
it goes toward deployment make it's open

1376
01:11:30,960 --> 01:11:33,600
where we have also the option if say

1377
01:11:33,600 --> 01:11:35,600
there certain Community there's schools

1378
01:11:35,600 --> 01:11:38,400
in every community and we have

1379
01:11:38,400 --> 01:11:39,920
complaints from neighborhood residents

1380
01:11:39,920 --> 01:11:42,239
that we have youth just no activities

1381
01:11:42,239 --> 01:11:44,600
nothing and I worked in a rock program

1382
01:11:44,600 --> 01:11:47,080
had a budget of $45,000 a year and it

1383
01:11:47,080 --> 01:11:48,760
was highly effective to get 80 kids

1384
01:11:48,760 --> 01:11:50,800
there at night is that we have that

1385
01:11:50,800 --> 01:11:53,679
flexibility say hey here's a h a spot

1386
01:11:53,679 --> 01:11:55,960
there's a lot of unstructured free time

1387
01:11:55,960 --> 01:11:58,000
which is you know one of those risk

1388
01:11:58,000 --> 01:12:00,520
factors for juvenile agency let's create

1389
01:12:00,520 --> 01:12:02,960
a program in that community and let's

1390
01:12:02,960 --> 01:12:04,679
started up we have the budget here we're

1391
01:12:04,679 --> 01:12:06,679
not using unemployment we could do

1392
01:12:06,679 --> 01:12:08,480
something like that and if that is

1393
01:12:08,480 --> 01:12:09,800
effective we can look to continue

1394
01:12:09,800 --> 01:12:12,679
funding yet if you look at my email I do

1395
01:12:12,679 --> 01:12:14,639
say um to change it from youth

1396
01:12:14,639 --> 01:12:16,280
employment to youth services for that

1397
01:12:16,280 --> 01:12:18,960
very point to have a bro I I do think I

1398
01:12:18,960 --> 01:12:21,679
mean just to go back a step um what we

1399
01:12:21,679 --> 01:12:24,800
were what we did I think in the past was

1400
01:12:24,800 --> 01:12:26,560
give it to the county for their youth

1401
01:12:26,560 --> 01:12:27,960
you know through that youth employment

1402
01:12:27,960 --> 01:12:31,800
that the county runs right so I think we

1403
01:12:31,800 --> 01:12:33,639
you know that's another consider yeah

1404
01:12:33,639 --> 01:12:37,400
that's the consideration too because um

1405
01:12:37,400 --> 01:12:39,000
you know that's program management I

1406
01:12:39,000 --> 01:12:40,080
mean

1407
01:12:40,080 --> 01:12:44,239
we we I guess I'm saying that I mean I'm

1408
01:12:44,239 --> 01:12:46,159
not I'm not I'm not sure that we should

1409
01:12:46,159 --> 01:12:47,679
take it back into the city because then

1410
01:12:47,679 --> 01:12:49,159
we'd have to have a staff person that

1411
01:12:49,159 --> 01:12:51,560
was you know coordinating it so I think

1412
01:12:51,560 --> 01:12:53,159
with some of you know some of the

1413
01:12:53,159 --> 01:12:58,679
flexibility really it's going to be if we do this it still would be with the

1414
01:12:58,679 --> 01:13:01,360
County's Youth Employment I think well

1415
01:13:01,360 --> 01:13:03,159
it was it was a partnership between the

1416
01:13:03,159 --> 01:13:05,239
county school in the school district in

1417
01:13:05,239 --> 01:13:06,480
the school district I actually wrote

1418
01:13:06,480 --> 01:13:08,280
that down too were you able to share

1419
01:13:08,280 --> 01:13:10,159
with us how how how were you able to

1420
01:13:10,159 --> 01:13:14,120
manage it last year does that well we

1421
01:13:14,120 --> 01:13:17,040
put people in departments so there was a

1422
01:13:17,040 --> 01:13:18,440
supervisory

1423
01:13:18,440 --> 01:13:22,120
structure there in place the year before

1424
01:13:22,120 --> 01:13:24,600
it was more broad-based and some of

1425
01:13:24,600 --> 01:13:26,400
those expens ures out of that line I

1426
01:13:26,400 --> 01:13:34,350
would classify as being

1427
01:13:34,360 --> 01:13:40,239
interesting just said they're

1428
01:13:40,239 --> 01:13:42,320
interesting they wouldn't have happened

1429
01:13:42,320 --> 01:13:48,270
had I reviewed the individual

1430
01:13:48,280 --> 01:13:50,960
expenditure well in terms of the county

1431
01:13:50,960 --> 01:13:52,400
what I can say they've run their program

1432
01:13:52,400 --> 01:13:55,520
for a long time and part of I know part

1433
01:13:55,520 --> 01:13:57,560
of it they paid staff but what I

1434
01:13:57,560 --> 01:13:59,760
understand we're talking about is this

1435
01:13:59,760 --> 01:14:01,520
money would only be to pay the youth or

1436
01:14:01,520 --> 01:14:03,320
are you talking about the people who

1437
01:14:03,320 --> 01:14:08,800
would also supervise so so my okay

1438
01:14:08,800 --> 01:14:11,880
well we consistently made investments in

1439
01:14:11,880 --> 01:14:14,719
the Parks and what I look at this money

1440
01:14:14,719 --> 01:14:17,880
is how do we go back to some of those

1441
01:14:17,880 --> 01:14:19,440
old days when there were Recreation

1442
01:14:19,440 --> 01:14:21,400
specialists in the Parks there's more

1443
01:14:21,400 --> 01:14:23,719
activities there it's not precluding any

1444
01:14:23,719 --> 01:14:26,719
the discussion whether it's a tonight or

1445
01:14:26,719 --> 01:14:29,360
uh in facilities that might not solely

1446
01:14:29,360 --> 01:14:31,560
be the parks so bringing in other

1447
01:14:31,560 --> 01:14:36,880
partners uh but it's the take that uh 8

1448
01:14:36,880 --> 01:14:40,920
10 weeks during the summer and how do

1449
01:14:40,920 --> 01:14:43,199
we spend the

1450
01:14:43,199 --> 01:14:45,800
money the simple thing is in the city

1451
01:14:45,800 --> 01:14:48,239
hiring people working in the Parks doing

1452
01:14:48,239 --> 01:14:53,320
activities there uh but more than open

1453
01:14:53,320 --> 01:14:56,520
to if there are other partners ERS to

1454
01:14:56,520 --> 01:14:59,719
their private businesses or other

1455
01:14:59,719 --> 01:15:03,040
entities uh this summer I had a

1456
01:15:03,040 --> 01:15:05,400
discussion with the superintendent of

1457
01:15:05,400 --> 01:15:08,280
schools he' just come into that role

1458
01:15:08,280 --> 01:15:11,040
we're looking to do more recruitment

1459
01:15:11,040 --> 01:15:12,719
for

1460
01:15:12,719 --> 01:15:16,159
uh kids within the schools and also

1461
01:15:16,159 --> 01:15:20,239
trying to match them up to

1462
01:15:20,239 --> 01:15:24,239
uh possible career paths in the city we

1463
01:15:24,239 --> 01:15:25,840
spent a lot of time focusing on Public

1464
01:15:25,840 --> 01:15:28,560
Safety police and

1465
01:15:28,560 --> 01:15:31,760
fire it's hard right now to find people

1466
01:15:31,760 --> 01:15:33,560
for water and waste

1467
01:15:33,560 --> 01:15:36,400
water and those are ones where you have

1468
01:15:36,400 --> 01:15:39,960
to have some math skills

1469
01:15:39,960 --> 01:15:44,040
uh and if it's environmental it's uh

1470
01:15:44,040 --> 01:15:46,920
very timely uh how do we get kids to

1471
01:15:46,920 --> 01:15:49,960
come in and uh be exposed to that

1472
01:15:49,960 --> 01:15:50,920
because most people don't even know

1473
01:15:50,920 --> 01:15:53,560
those jobs exist out there but they're

1474
01:15:53,560 --> 01:15:55,920
good career paths you go in you get

1475
01:15:55,920 --> 01:15:57,360
higher levels of

1476
01:15:57,360 --> 01:16:00,600
certification uh and

1477
01:16:00,600 --> 01:16:02,600
they're the reality is they're more

1478
01:16:02,600 --> 01:16:04,199
important than a lot of the other

1479
01:16:04,199 --> 01:16:06,239
positions we have because if water and

1480
01:16:06,239 --> 01:16:07,560
sore doesn't

1481
01:16:07,560 --> 01:16:13,920
work we're in trouble absolutely so this past year when we had people at the

1482
01:16:13,920 --> 01:16:15,920
um for the city did anybody work in the

1483
01:16:15,920 --> 01:16:17,199
waste waterer treatment plant were we

1484
01:16:17,199 --> 01:16:20,880
able to put anybody there no we had some

1485
01:16:20,880 --> 01:16:23,679
the year before but did not get any this

1486
01:16:23,679 --> 01:16:27,199
year and in terms of that there's that

1487
01:16:27,199 --> 01:16:29,920
um program EOS where they do a whole lot

1488
01:16:29,920 --> 01:16:32,800
of that you know environmental stuff so

1489
01:16:32,800 --> 01:16:34,719
and when we talk about partners that

1490
01:16:34,719 --> 01:16:36,520
might be a place because my

1491
01:16:36,520 --> 01:16:37,679
understanding of their program they have

1492
01:16:37,679 --> 01:16:39,719
gotten I've watched some of the videos

1493
01:16:39,719 --> 01:16:41,280
they've really gotten kids very very

1494
01:16:41,280 --> 01:16:43,040
interested in uh doing those kind of

1495
01:16:43,040 --> 01:16:44,960
things so then identifying those kind of

1496
01:16:44,960 --> 01:16:46,840
Partners where we're broadening the

1497
01:16:46,840 --> 01:16:48,480
scope of what we're offering to youth as

1498
01:16:48,480 --> 01:16:51,000
opposed to absolutely you working

1499
01:16:51,000 --> 01:16:52,080
nothing wrong with City Vault working

1500
01:16:52,080 --> 01:16:55,639
City Vault um but just because kids have

1501
01:16:55,639 --> 01:16:57,639
other interests they have a variety of

1502
01:16:57,639 --> 01:16:59,239
interests yeah the way some of our

1503
01:16:59,239 --> 01:17:00,520
department has a feeling we might need

1504
01:17:00,520 --> 01:17:02,320
them kids to come here and work cuz uh

1505
01:17:02,320 --> 01:17:04,440
we don't get them ra but now I think

1506
01:17:04,440 --> 01:17:06,120
that the

1507
01:17:06,120 --> 01:17:10,800
mayor the mayor was saying uh if we look

1508
01:17:10,800 --> 01:17:14,239
at you know those strategic Partnerships

1509
01:17:14,239 --> 01:17:19,280
um and I think we get the most value out of our dollar I just kind of want to

1510
01:17:19,280 --> 01:17:23,000
keep that in front of our mind that this

1511
01:17:23,000 --> 01:17:25,360
it it looks like you know well and is we

1512
01:17:25,360 --> 01:17:27,320
classify it as you know this is a

1513
01:17:27,320 --> 01:17:29,239
expenditure on the city's behalf but

1514
01:17:29,239 --> 01:17:31,040
again that's money that's going to be in

1515
01:17:31,040 --> 01:17:34,000
our local economy that's money that is

1516
01:17:34,000 --> 01:17:36,880
going to help um you know curve some of

1517
01:17:36,880 --> 01:17:39,760
that idle time that results in public

1518
01:17:39,760 --> 01:17:41,639
safety cost so I just you're absolutely

1519
01:17:41,639 --> 01:17:44,560
correct in terms of an economic analysis

1520
01:17:44,560 --> 01:17:46,440
that type of expenditure has one of the

1521
01:17:46,440 --> 01:17:48,040
highest

1522
01:17:48,040 --> 01:17:50,639
multipliers of any dollars you spent so

1523
01:17:50,639 --> 01:17:52,800
if you want to go 500,000 I'm okay any

1524
01:17:52,800 --> 01:17:55,480
money we put towards this land here it's

1525
01:17:55,480 --> 01:17:58,120
an investment to our youth it's an

1526
01:17:58,120 --> 01:18:01,400
investment we have listened in 2023 I

1527
01:18:01,400 --> 01:18:04,040
think the success story or 2022 when

1528
01:18:04,040 --> 01:18:06,080
they did the first program through the

1529
01:18:06,080 --> 01:18:07,440
school with the city partnership with

1530
01:18:07,440 --> 01:18:10,159
the school the success story is kind of

1531
01:18:10,159 --> 01:18:13,000
you know it drives you to do more

1532
01:18:13,000 --> 01:18:16,320
because once we invest in our youth it's

1533
01:18:16,320 --> 01:18:19,040
a long-term effect putting money into

1534
01:18:19,040 --> 01:18:22,400
the local economy into the local um

1535
01:18:22,400 --> 01:18:23,880
houses so that they have money at the

1536
01:18:23,880 --> 01:18:25,840
disposal to spend and to take them back

1537
01:18:25,840 --> 01:18:28,040
into school and to buy supplies for them

1538
01:18:28,040 --> 01:18:31,159
new clothing New Bag new you know

1539
01:18:31,159 --> 01:18:33,800
Footwear and things like that I am not

1540
01:18:33,800 --> 01:18:37,480
opposed to any increase against L but uh

1541
01:18:37,480 --> 01:18:40,560
we have to find way to fund it m I have

1542
01:18:40,560 --> 01:18:42,239
been from day one I have been an

1543
01:18:42,239 --> 01:18:45,280
advocate for this um you can talk about

1544
01:18:45,280 --> 01:18:48,440
that we sit in a room every year of the

1545
01:18:48,440 --> 01:18:51,080
fund continue to fund on the county

1546
01:18:51,080 --> 01:18:53,120
$40,000 a year there were many

1547
01:18:53,120 --> 01:18:54,440
discussion me how do we bring this back

1548
01:18:54,440 --> 01:18:57,280
in house year after year but then do we

1549
01:18:57,280 --> 01:18:58,600
have the capacity do we have the

1550
01:18:58,600 --> 01:19:00,320
resource to do it and I have to agree

1551
01:19:00,320 --> 01:19:01,840
with the mayor we need to expand bring

1552
01:19:01,840 --> 01:19:03,840
in more agency because if we can

1553
01:19:03,840 --> 01:19:06,040
leverage whatever we put here into the

1554
01:19:06,040 --> 01:19:08,560
2025 budget we need to leverage with

1555
01:19:08,560 --> 01:19:11,880
other agency to expand it and I think

1556
01:19:11,880 --> 01:19:13,600
that's what I said yesterday we all need

1557
01:19:13,600 --> 01:19:15,280
to get on board we all need to bring

1558
01:19:15,280 --> 01:19:22,149
players to the table and expand the

1559
01:19:22,159 --> 01:19:27,590
service any other take on this item

1560
01:19:27,600 --> 01:19:29,840
unfortunately have another

1561
01:19:29,840 --> 01:19:32,040
commitment you can pass the budget there

1562
01:19:32,040 --> 01:19:32,770
we

1563
01:19:32,770 --> 01:19:34,239
[Music]

1564
01:19:34,239 --> 01:19:36,719
go take

1565
01:19:36,719 --> 01:19:41,310
over just

1566
01:19:41,320 --> 01:19:46,040
kidding this is a p this this as long I always use this as long as I've been

1567
01:19:46,040 --> 01:19:47,679
in the council this has been a

1568
01:19:47,679 --> 01:19:50,159
passionate line and I don't think anyone

1569
01:19:50,159 --> 01:19:52,719
of us here is against

1570
01:19:52,719 --> 01:19:56,159
it no not at all we are

1571
01:19:56,159 --> 01:19:58,719
support we have seen what's happening in

1572
01:19:58,719 --> 01:20:01,679
our society and we need to step up as a

1573
01:20:01,679 --> 01:20:04,400
council to provide whatever we have

1574
01:20:04,400 --> 01:20:06,080
available to them yeah we got we got to

1575
01:20:06,080 --> 01:20:07,880
fund it like it's got to get the money

1576
01:20:07,880 --> 01:20:09,840
we got to fund it we all we all agree so

1577
01:20:09,840 --> 01:20:11,719
we just need to identify number and then

1578
01:20:11,719 --> 01:20:14,239
where do we find the Gap so what is a

1579
01:20:14,239 --> 01:20:16,440
number right so that's the first

1580
01:20:16,440 --> 01:20:18,320
question go ahead just need a number so

1581
01:20:18,320 --> 01:20:21,639
let me just go back so yesterday

1582
01:20:21,639 --> 01:20:24,360
we there was a recommendation to bring

1583
01:20:24,360 --> 01:20:26,760
that up to 250,000 and then there's an

1584
01:20:26,760 --> 01:20:28,800
email this afternoon to kind of up that

1585
01:20:28,800 --> 01:20:32,480
up 50,000 more to bring that to

1586
01:20:32,480 --> 01:20:34,760
300,000 what are your position with that

1587
01:20:34,760 --> 01:20:37,040
in terms of the numbers mine's

1588
01:20:37,040 --> 01:20:39,120
300,000

1589
01:20:39,120 --> 01:20:41,600
250 I'm happy to go

1590
01:20:41,600 --> 01:20:45,000
250 so I would say if you do 250 and you

1591
01:20:45,000 --> 01:20:47,440
talk about some sort of split it does

1592
01:20:47,440 --> 01:20:50,600
still reach your desire of increasing

1593
01:20:50,600 --> 01:20:53,480
capacity and it allows us more time to

1594
01:20:53,480 --> 01:20:55,880
engage how propy fund is I feel like

1595
01:20:55,880 --> 01:20:59,080
that could be a compromise mrle I I

1596
01:20:59,080 --> 01:21:00,600
would have to get clarity on like what

1597
01:21:00,600 --> 01:21:02,440
kind of split I don't

1598
01:21:02,440 --> 01:21:05,080
understand what do you mean by that 250

1599
01:21:05,080 --> 01:21:07,679
versus 300 no no the split between the

1600
01:21:07,679 --> 01:21:09,639
employer and what this line would

1601
01:21:09,639 --> 01:21:12,199
potentially fund if you did 50/50 you're

1602
01:21:12,199 --> 01:21:14,440
essentially doubling it plus adding

1603
01:21:14,440 --> 01:21:17,400
money to the line also I think directly

1604
01:21:17,400 --> 01:21:18,120
for

1605
01:21:18,120 --> 01:21:21,560
employment what he means he means asking

1606
01:21:21,560 --> 01:21:23,000
we we talked about it's been mentioned

1607
01:21:23,000 --> 01:21:24,760
that we asked the employers to contrib

1608
01:21:24,760 --> 01:21:27,800
it oh sorry sorry sorry I I don't think

1609
01:21:27,800 --> 01:21:30,320
we can count on that so I think moving

1610
01:21:30,320 --> 01:21:32,360
for at least until we get the program up

1611
01:21:32,360 --> 01:21:34,000
and running and maybe next year we'd be

1612
01:21:34,000 --> 01:21:36,280
able to ask employers but I think I'm

1613
01:21:36,280 --> 01:21:38,199
comfortable with 250 and finding the

1614
01:21:38,199 --> 01:21:40,320
additional 100,000 I do want to point

1615
01:21:40,320 --> 01:21:42,520
out that we do need to continue you know

1616
01:21:42,520 --> 01:21:43,760
paying for the

1617
01:21:43,760 --> 01:21:45,800
lifeguards is that different that's not

1618
01:21:45,800 --> 01:21:48,080
effective sear that's separate

1619
01:21:48,080 --> 01:21:51,400
line yes okay no just wanted to make

1620
01:21:51,400 --> 01:21:56,760
sure okay um that thought so 250 go

1621
01:21:56,760 --> 01:21:59,239
please the um boys and girls club like

1622
01:21:59,239 --> 01:22:01,600
at sond you know that bring in the

1623
01:22:01,600 --> 01:22:03,600
summer programs did that come out of

1624
01:22:03,600 --> 01:22:05,560
this yes it's in here it's in our budget

1625
01:22:05,560 --> 01:22:09,639
here oh it come out no no no no no

1626
01:22:09,639 --> 01:22:11,880
service sear I was looking for it in

1627
01:22:11,880 --> 01:22:14,440
pool in is it in pool Parks or yes on

1628
01:22:14,440 --> 01:22:17,000
the parks a separate L that we fund

1629
01:22:17,000 --> 01:22:21,960
every year to um to pay for the the

1630
01:22:21,960 --> 01:22:25,000
guards and the um good so that's good so

1631
01:22:25,000 --> 01:22:27,080
really in essence we're giving if we

1632
01:22:27,080 --> 01:22:29,080
went with whatever number we come up

1633
01:22:29,080 --> 01:22:32,080
with here you can all in your heads

1634
01:22:32,080 --> 01:22:34,960
realize it's an additional 150 also to

1635
01:22:34,960 --> 01:22:37,120
still be hiring

1636
01:22:37,120 --> 01:22:40,679
youth yes yes an additional

1637
01:22:40,679 --> 01:22:46,149
150 you know what I mean I know what you

1638
01:22:46,159 --> 01:22:50,000
mean okays everything in other words if

1639
01:22:50,000 --> 01:22:52,679
we did 250 it's really in in the end it

1640
01:22:52,679 --> 01:22:54,760
would be $400,000 that would putting

1641
01:22:54,760 --> 01:22:56,520
into youth employment she saying there's

1642
01:22:56,520 --> 01:22:59,400
15 ready that's what I'm saying yeah but

1643
01:22:59,400 --> 01:23:02,280
it's not necessarily that's not

1644
01:23:02,280 --> 01:23:04,239
necessarily the thing though because

1645
01:23:04,239 --> 01:23:06,080
that is a that that money is part of a

1646
01:23:06,080 --> 01:23:07,679
larger contract that's with the boys and

1647
01:23:07,679 --> 01:23:10,120
girls club that's you know so I know

1648
01:23:10,120 --> 01:23:12,000
that's that some of the implications and

1649
01:23:12,000 --> 01:23:13,199
the outcome

1650
01:23:13,199 --> 01:23:15,920
is is

1651
01:23:15,920 --> 01:23:20,040
there however that to uh mind Joe's

1652
01:23:20,040 --> 01:23:22,440
earlier Point around like changing that

1653
01:23:22,440 --> 01:23:23,760
from just youth employment to Youth

1654
01:23:23,760 --> 01:23:28,440
Services so yeah oh yeah no I get that I

1655
01:23:28,440 --> 01:23:30,080
just like to ask Derek do you have any

1656
01:23:30,080 --> 01:23:32,480
idea where you might listening to the

1657
01:23:32,480 --> 01:23:35,080
conversation where we might be able to

1658
01:23:35,080 --> 01:23:39,239
fund this from that's I mean currently

1659
01:23:39,239 --> 01:23:44,080
looking at 2,000 no it was 300 was my

1660
01:23:44,080 --> 01:23:46,560
thing let's start

1661
01:23:46,560 --> 01:23:51,199
there 15,000 for that reduce expenditure

1662
01:23:51,199 --> 01:23:53,000
in general fund or looking at something

1663
01:23:53,000 --> 01:23:56,870
increasing the revenue mhm

1664
01:23:56,880 --> 01:23:58,199
sure

1665
01:23:58,199 --> 01:24:03,800
yeah that's consider sure so so yeah so

1666
01:24:03,800 --> 01:24:05,480
yeah it will be it will be a discussion

1667
01:24:05,480 --> 01:24:07,600
that you will have to have with

1668
01:24:07,600 --> 01:24:14,830
um Anthony or it's something

1669
01:24:14,840 --> 01:24:17,880
NE I a

1670
01:24:17,880 --> 01:24:19,880
decision increased

1671
01:24:19,880 --> 01:24:22,719
access

1672
01:24:22,719 --> 01:24:28,070
more yeah are we going to have you

1673
01:24:28,080 --> 01:24:30,679
PID most likely if you increase the

1674
01:24:30,679 --> 01:24:33,239
revenue be coming from apprpriate fund

1675
01:24:33,239 --> 01:24:37,159
balance um expend I don't know you take

1676
01:24:37,159 --> 01:24:40,000
on because it's a really tight

1677
01:24:40,000 --> 01:24:44,239
budget so so let's mark it them as a um

1678
01:24:44,239 --> 01:24:45,679
but most of these if we are not

1679
01:24:45,679 --> 01:24:48,239
increasing the revenue we'll potentially

1680
01:24:48,239 --> 01:24:50,440
have to come out of the general Reserve

1681
01:24:50,440 --> 01:24:52,280
sure so let's put that there as

1682
01:24:52,280 --> 01:24:54,520
tentative if we have an agreement to

1683
01:24:54,520 --> 01:24:57,320
move forward with that increase so

1684
01:24:57,320 --> 01:25:00,880
250,000 I actually 300 I'm comfortable

1685
01:25:00,880 --> 01:25:05,390
with 250

1686
01:25:05,400 --> 01:25:07,159
um

1687
01:25:07,159 --> 01:25:09,400
I I would like to hear where the other

1688
01:25:09,400 --> 01:25:16,600
council members stand 280 I know nobody wants to hear about

1689
01:25:16,600 --> 01:25:17,690
200

1690
01:25:17,690 --> 01:25:19,280
[Music]

1691
01:25:19,280 --> 01:25:23,239
200 50,000,000 compared to what we had

1692
01:25:23,239 --> 01:25:25,159
in there and

1693
01:25:25,159 --> 01:25:26,920
not that it's not important but again

1694
01:25:26,920 --> 01:25:29,800
we're tightening our belts uh if we

1695
01:25:29,800 --> 01:25:32,080
leverage it with the county the city the

1696
01:25:32,080 --> 01:25:34,480
this you're looking at two for $600,000

1697
01:25:34,480 --> 01:25:37,040
in there I I don't know just

1698
01:25:37,040 --> 01:25:41,320
saying I'm very if the let me just

1699
01:25:41,320 --> 01:25:43,760
address that with the county if we were

1700
01:25:43,760 --> 01:25:46,199
to what we have had in the past and this

1701
01:25:46,199 --> 01:25:47,880
is what the mayor was trying to bring it

1702
01:25:47,880 --> 01:25:50,080
in house many years and we had an

1703
01:25:50,080 --> 01:25:52,280
agreement with the county once we found

1704
01:25:52,280 --> 01:25:54,639
the county it's an employment we're

1705
01:25:54,639 --> 01:25:56,199
funding an employment for the entire

1706
01:25:56,199 --> 01:25:59,239
County that's true not just the city not

1707
01:25:59,239 --> 01:26:01,159
the city and this was a problem mayor

1708
01:26:01,159 --> 01:26:04,199
was pointing us to that many years and

1709
01:26:04,199 --> 01:26:06,639
that was an agreement we had and then uh

1710
01:26:06,639 --> 01:26:08,159
after give the May credit on that he

1711
01:26:08,159 --> 01:26:10,199
tried hard to bring it in house and

1712
01:26:10,199 --> 01:26:13,679
which we did and we are able to fund

1713
01:26:13,679 --> 01:26:16,239
this program for City resident only

1714
01:26:16,239 --> 01:26:18,440
rather than County resident that we been

1715
01:26:18,440 --> 01:26:21,760
funding for many years so we can't just

1716
01:26:21,760 --> 01:26:24,600
ask the county we can't we can't STI we

1717
01:26:24,600 --> 01:26:26,239
partner with a county we have to fund

1718
01:26:26,239 --> 01:26:29,080
the entire County so no so no so the

1719
01:26:29,080 --> 01:26:32,080
last so so you're I I think what you're

1720
01:26:32,080 --> 01:26:35,080
talking about uh is is is something that

1721
01:26:35,080 --> 01:26:37,119
happened that we were giving money we

1722
01:26:37,119 --> 01:26:38,679
were taking money and giving it to the

1723
01:26:38,679 --> 01:26:40,840
county and then the county was doing

1724
01:26:40,840 --> 01:26:42,320
what the county did it was youth

1725
01:26:42,320 --> 01:26:43,880
employment but to your point it was long

1726
01:26:43,880 --> 01:26:48,920
thing the program that that that we uh

1727
01:26:48,920 --> 01:26:51,840
launched what was it two years ago 22

1728
01:26:51,840 --> 01:26:55,119
yeah two years ago the program design it

1729
01:26:55,119 --> 01:26:57,239
was only that's why it was a partnership

1730
01:26:57,239 --> 01:26:59,360
with the city school district and the

1731
01:26:59,360 --> 01:27:02,760
county was was uh helping with the

1732
01:27:02,760 --> 01:27:04,560
administrative fees but these were all

1733
01:27:04,560 --> 01:27:06,679
City residents not $1 left the city

1734
01:27:06,679 --> 01:27:08,119
right so that would be what I yeah it's

1735
01:27:08,119 --> 01:27:09,800
a change to Dynamics yes that's what

1736
01:27:09,800 --> 01:27:10,880
brought

1737
01:27:10,880 --> 01:27:13,719
it I prefer that but not inh housee

1738
01:27:13,719 --> 01:27:15,199
in-house because we're training it's

1739
01:27:15,199 --> 01:27:17,880
going to be in addition to City staff

1740
01:27:17,880 --> 01:27:20,199
that still want other employers involved

1741
01:27:20,199 --> 01:27:24,880
in this as opposed to yeah yeah

1742
01:27:24,880 --> 01:27:27,239
I think that so why partnering with the

1743
01:27:27,239 --> 01:27:28,840
county the logic Ling partner with the

1744
01:27:28,840 --> 01:27:29,880
county is because they have the

1745
01:27:29,880 --> 01:27:31,719
infrastructure there but when we were

1746
01:27:31,719 --> 01:27:34,360
designing the program the conversation

1747
01:27:34,360 --> 01:27:38,760
was that it has to be on City residents

1748
01:27:38,760 --> 01:27:41,800
and the school district being a city

1749
01:27:41,800 --> 01:27:44,360
school district was able to that's why

1750
01:27:44,360 --> 01:27:47,760
those Partners made made sense however

1751
01:27:47,760 --> 01:27:49,400
what the school district was doing was

1752
01:27:49,400 --> 01:27:50,800
also partnering with some small

1753
01:27:50,800 --> 01:27:52,880
businesses so they were so to not get

1754
01:27:52,880 --> 01:27:54,719
into the weeds of the program stuff the

1755
01:27:54,719 --> 01:27:56,840
things that are important to us is that

1756
01:27:56,840 --> 01:27:59,040
it's we increase partnership which we

1757
01:27:59,040 --> 01:28:00,480
did and it stays in the city which it

1758
01:28:00,480 --> 01:28:02,800
did so that's a

1759
01:28:02,800 --> 01:28:05,080
fact and John say you got it at the

1760
01:28:05,080 --> 01:28:08,190
table it's back to 350 now 350

1761
01:28:08,190 --> 01:28:09,560
[Music]

1762
01:28:09,560 --> 01:28:12,320
350 back never

1763
01:28:12,320 --> 01:28:14,760
was every time John gets up on the table

1764
01:28:14,760 --> 01:28:16,080
when I'm talking that's what happens so

1765
01:28:16,080 --> 01:28:17,600
to make it an

1766
01:28:17,600 --> 01:28:22,679
inine right and you know you might not

1767
01:28:22,679 --> 01:28:24,920
be able to you know it's an Ara funding

1768
01:28:24,920 --> 01:28:27,600
now it is yes right so then the year

1769
01:28:27,600 --> 01:28:30,360
after 2026 it becomes inline it becomes

1770
01:28:30,360 --> 01:28:33,320
all ours and looking at our

1771
01:28:33,320 --> 01:28:36,320
future I don't want to put 300,000 on

1772
01:28:36,320 --> 01:28:38,159
there and not being able to fund it two

1773
01:28:38,159 --> 01:28:39,719
years from

1774
01:28:39,719 --> 01:28:47,560
that but that so why that difficult no no but that so why that make so why

1775
01:28:47,560 --> 01:28:51,040
that position makes sense for most other

1776
01:28:51,040 --> 01:28:52,880
things is different than this why this

1777
01:28:52,880 --> 01:28:55,000
is unique is because this is something

1778
01:28:55,000 --> 01:28:56,280
that if we

1779
01:28:56,280 --> 01:28:59,719
can if we have the money to help the

1780
01:28:59,719 --> 01:29:02,360
youth then we use the money to help the

1781
01:29:02,360 --> 01:29:03,880
youth and when we don't have the money

1782
01:29:03,880 --> 01:29:06,159
to help the youth then it's not real

1783
01:29:06,159 --> 01:29:07,480
decision because we just don't have it

1784
01:29:07,480 --> 01:29:09,800
but why this is a little different than

1785
01:29:09,800 --> 01:29:11,440
some of the other considerations we make

1786
01:29:11,440 --> 01:29:13,760
again is because this will to the

1787
01:29:13,760 --> 01:29:16,760
mayor's point which I was stressing

1788
01:29:16,760 --> 01:29:19,440
earlier is that it's not just an

1789
01:29:19,440 --> 01:29:21,760
expenditure the research shows that this

1790
01:29:21,760 --> 01:29:23,560
is leveraging this is the highest

1791
01:29:23,560 --> 01:29:25,080
leverage point investment that you can

1792
01:29:25,080 --> 01:29:27,600
make as a city so it's not just the

1793
01:29:27,600 --> 01:29:29,000
money that's going out it's the money

1794
01:29:29,000 --> 01:29:30,400
that's saving and hopefully the money

1795
01:29:30,400 --> 01:29:32,199
that we're saving bringing back in and

1796
01:29:32,199 --> 01:29:34,360
the money circulating our economy would

1797
01:29:34,360 --> 01:29:36,080
help with that looking down the line so

1798
01:29:36,080 --> 01:29:38,000
I just want to make sure it stays Point

1799
01:29:38,000 --> 01:29:41,960
yeah I think was very direct about that

1800
01:29:41,960 --> 01:29:43,960
he was leading towards that in terms of

1801
01:29:43,960 --> 01:29:48,440
his his comments towards us I mean I'm

1802
01:29:48,440 --> 01:29:51,440
not against um F line for

1803
01:29:51,440 --> 01:29:56,239
250 uh yesterday and then we revisit it

1804
01:29:56,239 --> 01:29:59,040
um you know next year because this is

1805
01:29:59,040 --> 01:30:02,199
our future and it's it's a future that

1806
01:30:02,199 --> 01:30:05,080
we're going to um permanently add into

1807
01:30:05,080 --> 01:30:07,719
the budget Way Beyond my time I would

1808
01:30:07,719 --> 01:30:10,480
like to see it there um I don't have

1809
01:30:10,480 --> 01:30:13,560
problem do 250 now and at the same time

1810
01:30:13,560 --> 01:30:15,679
expand this uh for

1811
01:30:15,679 --> 01:30:17,719
other

1812
01:30:17,719 --> 01:30:21,000
um players to get involved and to help

1813
01:30:21,000 --> 01:30:25,629
us support this program

1814
01:30:25,639 --> 01:30:27,119
School District

1815
01:30:27,119 --> 01:30:30,080
only I like that yeah I think that's

1816
01:30:30,080 --> 01:30:32,080
what they did in 2022 Oh you mean for

1817
01:30:32,080 --> 01:30:34,880
students for for

1818
01:30:34,880 --> 01:30:39,199
kids so Joe you at Joe's at

1819
01:30:39,199 --> 01:30:41,440
three I'll go

1820
01:30:41,440 --> 01:30:44,280
three three thank

1821
01:30:44,280 --> 01:30:47,520
you yeah I you know I think i' love to

1822
01:30:47,520 --> 01:30:49,159
see how you know the

1823
01:30:49,159 --> 01:30:51,719
outcomes as we move forward and in our

1824
01:30:51,719 --> 01:30:55,119
fac you know and then do we have toci it

1825
01:30:55,119 --> 01:30:56,600
or if it's working I think it'll be

1826
01:30:56,600 --> 01:30:58,400
pretty evident and I think that would be

1827
01:30:58,400 --> 01:31:01,199
something that will continue to

1828
01:31:01,199 --> 01:31:05,480
fund at that level okay I'm not seeing

1829
01:31:05,480 --> 01:31:07,239
it in the arpa so I don't know what I'm

1830
01:31:07,239 --> 01:31:10,040
missing no it's somebody just said

1831
01:31:10,040 --> 01:31:13,280
150,000 funded through our in the budget

1832
01:31:13,280 --> 01:31:16,760
into 2025 oh funded I see okay sorry sry

1833
01:31:16,760 --> 01:31:18,760
if we were to up it so whatever number

1834
01:31:18,760 --> 01:31:21,360
we agreed on here tonight no I I get you

1835
01:31:21,360 --> 01:31:23,679
it will be in the budget for 2025 but

1836
01:31:23,679 --> 01:31:26,719
when we do our roll back on the ARA

1837
01:31:26,719 --> 01:31:29,480
allocation we will have to put money

1838
01:31:29,480 --> 01:31:32,719
into that um blank to reappropriate

1839
01:31:32,719 --> 01:31:40,199
money into the youth service line just um one youth in a institution oh

1840
01:31:40,199 --> 01:31:47,320
yeah 400,000 Y what I'm sorry oh yeah yeah yeah no it's valuable use

1841
01:31:47,320 --> 01:31:48,320
that's what we're seeing it's an

1842
01:31:48,320 --> 01:31:50,960
investment in in our city that we all

1843
01:31:50,960 --> 01:31:54,199
going to be proud of

1844
01:31:54,199 --> 01:31:55,520
we just have to find the money I mean if

1845
01:31:55,520 --> 01:31:58,920
we're split and we have 300 300 I don't

1846
01:31:58,920 --> 01:32:01,280
mind go 300 look we we got to move

1847
01:32:01,280 --> 01:32:05,320
forward on this I I am $50,000 or

1848
01:32:05,320 --> 01:32:09,159
$20,000 is nothing in a $116 million

1849
01:32:09,159 --> 01:32:12,159
budget which is have to find the extra

1850
01:32:12,159 --> 01:32:16,550
150 be my

1851
01:32:16,560 --> 01:32:18,639
point where's your recommendation

1852
01:32:18,639 --> 01:32:22,000
outside ARA do you have an additional

1853
01:32:22,000 --> 01:32:25,440
one well we were told I Miss far last

1854
01:32:25,440 --> 01:32:28,880
evening that there are potential um yeah

1855
01:32:28,880 --> 01:32:30,360
there's some agency that might not

1856
01:32:30,360 --> 01:32:32,760
fulfill their requirement and we might

1857
01:32:32,760 --> 01:32:35,040
have to make amendments to to bring that

1858
01:32:35,040 --> 01:32:37,719
money back into the city when that money

1859
01:32:37,719 --> 01:32:40,000
is back into the city I was very allow

1860
01:32:40,000 --> 01:32:43,280
at that to make sure we keep that money

1861
01:32:43,280 --> 01:32:46,320
inh housee and to reallocate those money

1862
01:32:46,320 --> 01:32:49,400
to City programs and this is one of the

1863
01:32:49,400 --> 01:32:52,480
city program that we need to

1864
01:32:52,480 --> 01:32:54,560
fund how

1865
01:32:54,560 --> 01:32:58,119
we uh anticipate that money which we can

1866
01:32:58,119 --> 01:33:00,080
at this present point I'm in agreement

1867
01:33:00,080 --> 01:33:01,560
with that wasn't the discussion

1868
01:33:01,560 --> 01:33:03,679
yesterday we're only evaluating those

1869
01:33:03,679 --> 01:33:06,199
four projects yes because of the time

1870
01:33:06,199 --> 01:33:08,199
frame yes so it's how do we write that

1871
01:33:08,199 --> 01:33:10,880
in to our working understanding of

1872
01:33:10,880 --> 01:33:13,600
future money line which I am all in

1873
01:33:13,600 --> 01:33:18,199
favorable it's similar it's similar to fees that we're projecting that we're

1874
01:33:18,199 --> 01:33:20,600
going to make x amount next year on

1875
01:33:20,600 --> 01:33:22,800
fees that's projection and this is just

1876
01:33:22,800 --> 01:33:24,639
similar to projection we're saying that

1877
01:33:24,639 --> 01:33:27,080
we're going to spend $300,000 on youth

1878
01:33:27,080 --> 01:33:29,679
service and where we're getting it from

1879
01:33:29,679 --> 01:33:31,880
We're anticipating that the AR they will

1880
01:33:31,880 --> 01:33:34,159
be money that will be free up and we can

1881
01:33:34,159 --> 01:33:35,320
reallocate

1882
01:33:35,320 --> 01:33:38,000
money but not for this budget though we

1883
01:33:38,000 --> 01:33:39,639
have to because that money was we we

1884
01:33:39,639 --> 01:33:41,080
said yesterday we're not doing that for

1885
01:33:41,080 --> 01:33:43,080
this budget so if we get additional

1886
01:33:43,080 --> 01:33:46,000
50,000 well well it's going to be more

1887
01:33:46,000 --> 01:33:47,280
than 50 the additional whatever

1888
01:33:47,280 --> 01:33:49,000
additional money we need have to take in

1889
01:33:49,000 --> 01:33:51,440
the fund balance because we talk about

1890
01:33:51,440 --> 01:33:54,440
that money being over there and not here

1891
01:33:54,440 --> 01:33:55,840
that's what saying reappropriation so

1892
01:33:55,840 --> 01:33:57,199
we'll have a ticket out there and when

1893
01:33:57,199 --> 01:33:59,920
we bring back the arpo we will have to

1894
01:33:59,920 --> 01:34:03,360
replenish the general fund VI that our

1895
01:34:03,360 --> 01:34:08,920
company in D is that am I saying it I

1896
01:34:08,920 --> 01:34:12,320
mean I guess you could do it that way um

1897
01:34:12,320 --> 01:34:16,199
you consider not increasing this line um

1898
01:34:16,199 --> 01:34:19,639
and then Council recapture the money um

1899
01:34:19,639 --> 01:34:22,320
we do have oper project Cod which are

1900
01:34:22,320 --> 01:34:24,320
not in the general budget

1901
01:34:24,320 --> 01:34:28,000
so we could possibly leave this line to

1902
01:34:28,000 --> 01:34:30,719
150,000 and then when we do

1903
01:34:30,719 --> 01:34:33,920
recapture we

1904
01:34:33,920 --> 01:34:37,840
do then the council can decide how much

1905
01:34:37,840 --> 01:34:40,440
and um because we do have you know go

1906
01:34:40,440 --> 01:34:46,830
that you don't see here projects

1907
01:34:46,840 --> 01:34:48,880
yes I just wanted to clarify but it

1908
01:34:48,880 --> 01:34:50,679
would be above and beyond the four the

1909
01:34:50,679 --> 01:34:53,040
four projects are already in the budget

1910
01:34:53,040 --> 01:34:55,320
so we have an additional it have to be

1911
01:34:55,320 --> 01:34:58,920
some other project um right yeah okay

1912
01:34:58,920 --> 01:35:00,840
just want to make sure

1913
01:35:00,840 --> 01:35:03,719
clearing us done that we need to address

1914
01:35:03,719 --> 01:35:07,679
next week and I think M clear um October

1915
01:35:07,679 --> 01:35:10,480
23rd yeah those are the deadline that

1916
01:35:10,480 --> 01:35:12,360
was provided to some of the agency to

1917
01:35:12,360 --> 01:35:16,159
get back okay I'm confident we find the

1918
01:35:16,159 --> 01:35:18,280
money through those

1919
01:35:18,280 --> 01:35:21,040
Pro the what she talked about last night

1920
01:35:21,040 --> 01:35:24,119
was BC and I had like a million dollars

1921
01:35:24,119 --> 01:35:26,520
that they had not I guess I could say

1922
01:35:26,520 --> 01:35:28,920
the name of your that they had not used

1923
01:35:28,920 --> 01:35:30,520
and she was concerned that they wer

1924
01:35:30,520 --> 01:35:32,159
going to be able to and that that money

1925
01:35:32,159 --> 01:35:36,480
would have to come back in house um the

1926
01:35:36,480 --> 01:35:39,119
others uh not so sure what that's going

1927
01:35:39,119 --> 01:35:40,840
to happen but mil is enough to talk

1928
01:35:40,840 --> 01:35:42,440
about

1929
01:35:42,440 --> 01:35:45,840
yeah so let's so shall we move on or so

1930
01:35:45,840 --> 01:35:50,239
could we you a resolution C on so in

1931
01:35:50,239 --> 01:35:53,000
absence of adjusting this budget line

1932
01:35:53,000 --> 01:35:55,280
with monies that we haven't recuperated

1933
01:35:55,280 --> 01:35:57,560
yet could we do a resolution speaking to

1934
01:35:57,560 --> 01:35:59,520
our intent as a council that way when it

1935
01:35:59,520 --> 01:36:01,280
does come it also provides some

1936
01:36:01,280 --> 01:36:04,080
reassurances Council

1937
01:36:04,080 --> 01:36:07,760
table I the process I don't know I don't

1938
01:36:07,760 --> 01:36:10,320
think we can do

1939
01:36:10,320 --> 01:36:12,880
that I don't think we can do

1940
01:36:12,880 --> 01:36:15,520
that because where where where we fing

1941
01:36:15,520 --> 01:36:20,270
it from that we have to

1942
01:36:20,280 --> 01:36:23,199
direct we have to be direct so it's say

1943
01:36:23,199 --> 01:36:24,639
outside verbal commitment that any

1944
01:36:24,639 --> 01:36:26,520
additional money we get back I don't

1945
01:36:26,520 --> 01:36:28,600
know if that's an appropriate compromise

1946
01:36:28,600 --> 01:36:31,280
for Mr fary well I mean my only thing is

1947
01:36:31,280 --> 01:36:32,920
that you know obviously I know it it has

1948
01:36:32,920 --> 01:36:34,679
to come it would have to come from

1949
01:36:34,679 --> 01:36:36,320
somewhere but and I think that if we're

1950
01:36:36,320 --> 01:36:39,920
looking to um the ARA money that has not

1951
01:36:39,920 --> 01:36:43,280
been uh used well the AR money that has

1952
01:36:43,280 --> 01:36:46,560
not been reallocated reallocated yet

1953
01:36:46,560 --> 01:36:48,760
then

1954
01:36:48,760 --> 01:36:51,520
um then I guess we should you know i' be

1955
01:36:51,520 --> 01:36:53,119
looking for us to do better than than

1956
01:36:53,119 --> 01:36:55,840
what we're at now um but what I'll do

1957
01:36:55,840 --> 01:36:57,679
right now is I'll

1958
01:36:57,679 --> 01:37:00,360
U I'll put a pin in that for now and

1959
01:37:00,360 --> 01:37:02,239
then you know uh send you know what my

1960
01:37:02,239 --> 01:37:04,360
recommendations as to where that uh

1961
01:37:04,360 --> 01:37:06,920
money uh could come from in the existing

1962
01:37:06,920 --> 01:37:09,199
budget um and

1963
01:37:09,199 --> 01:37:11,800
then I'll make some more considerations

1964
01:37:11,800 --> 01:37:15,000
around that so we can move on well I

1965
01:37:15,000 --> 01:37:16,800
before we move on I mean are you saying

1966
01:37:16,800 --> 01:37:19,000
that you might look at our expenses in

1967
01:37:19,000 --> 01:37:21,600
the existing budget as opposed to arpa

1968
01:37:21,600 --> 01:37:24,159
to try to fund the rest of the program

1969
01:37:24,159 --> 01:37:25,679
I guess because I I don't I mean I think

1970
01:37:25,679 --> 01:37:27,520
we're really Bare Bones right now I mean

1971
01:37:27,520 --> 01:37:29,760
and I think the ARA

1972
01:37:29,760 --> 01:37:31,840
money there's there's I mean first of

1973
01:37:31,840 --> 01:37:35,800
all Mrs Carver actually mentioned as as

1974
01:37:35,800 --> 01:37:37,719
council president Porterfield I mean

1975
01:37:37,719 --> 01:37:40,440
there's definitely going to be enough

1976
01:37:40,440 --> 01:37:43,840
for an additional um 150 whatever we you

1977
01:37:43,840 --> 01:37:46,360
know um coming out of this I would not

1978
01:37:46,360 --> 01:37:49,080
be in favor of taking it out of our um

1979
01:37:49,080 --> 01:37:54,239
out of expenses the operating budget no we're not take

1980
01:37:54,239 --> 01:37:55,800
no I think I think he was just saying he

1981
01:37:55,800 --> 01:37:57,520
was going to take a look and and see

1982
01:37:57,520 --> 01:37:59,320
where it could come from but that's what

1983
01:37:59,320 --> 01:38:00,040
I'm

1984
01:38:00,040 --> 01:38:03,800
asking absolutely yeah no yeah no I

1985
01:38:03,800 --> 01:38:05,639
don't think it's it's not coming out of

1986
01:38:05,639 --> 01:38:08,639
expense it's coming out of the general U

1987
01:38:08,639 --> 01:38:11,360
Reserve if we are to fund if we are to

1988
01:38:11,360 --> 01:38:13,239
make a recommendation on the fund any

1989
01:38:13,239 --> 01:38:16,599
additional cost we have to find a bucket

1990
01:38:16,599 --> 01:38:18,199
that to pull it from and if we don't

1991
01:38:18,199 --> 01:38:19,520
have a bucket it has to come up from a

1992
01:38:19,520 --> 01:38:22,000
general Reserve so it's not an expense

1993
01:38:22,000 --> 01:38:24,040
we're not reducing any expense we

1994
01:38:24,040 --> 01:38:27,119
increasing the expense and reducing the

1995
01:38:27,119 --> 01:38:31,199
revenue um is that correct reducing

1996
01:38:31,199 --> 01:38:34,239
the fund balance yes and that's going to

1997
01:38:34,239 --> 01:38:36,639
be a big hit this year yeah I we already

1998
01:38:36,639 --> 01:38:38,760
are doing that so I mean I think my

1999
01:38:38,760 --> 01:38:40,960
first choice would be

2000
01:38:40,960 --> 01:38:43,800
arpa um before anything so the

2001
01:38:43,800 --> 01:38:46,639
conversation earlier was that the arpa

2002
01:38:46,639 --> 01:38:50,000
money once we do once we do Rec a cob

2003
01:38:50,000 --> 01:38:53,239
back to replenish that that's what was

2004
01:38:53,239 --> 01:38:57,800
said that's what I'm in favor of oh okay

2005
01:38:57,800 --> 01:38:59,599
take the ARA money back and put it into

2006
01:38:59,599 --> 01:39:02,119
the general reappropriate the money back

2007
01:39:02,119 --> 01:39:04,040
can we do that can we do that I don't

2008
01:39:04,040 --> 01:39:08,040
know if we can use our money well all

2009
01:39:08,040 --> 01:39:11,840
right make a project on its own um it

2010
01:39:11,840 --> 01:39:13,920
would be out of the general fund um I

2011
01:39:13,920 --> 01:39:15,119
don't know if the council wants to do

2012
01:39:15,119 --> 01:39:17,719
that but there are project City projects

2013
01:39:17,719 --> 01:39:21,080
there you know the council have funded

2014
01:39:21,080 --> 01:39:24,639
uh nonprofits that are not F budget I

2015
01:39:24,639 --> 01:39:25,679
don't know if that's something that the

2016
01:39:25,679 --> 01:39:28,159
council's looking at you so it wouldn't

2017
01:39:28,159 --> 01:39:32,440
show in the general f could could we ask

2018
01:39:32,440 --> 01:39:35,440
that you in finance come you know you've

2019
01:39:35,440 --> 01:39:37,080
heard the conversation you see what we

2020
01:39:37,080 --> 01:39:39,679
want to spend what you know can you come

2021
01:39:39,679 --> 01:39:41,040
back to us with what your best

2022
01:39:41,040 --> 01:39:43,239
recommendation would be for the best way

2023
01:39:43,239 --> 01:39:47,159
to do that to increase this line

2024
01:39:47,159 --> 01:39:48,800
General and what would be your

2025
01:39:48,800 --> 01:39:51,599
recommendation in terms of the in out

2026
01:39:51,599 --> 01:39:55,990
yeah where we get the money from

2027
01:39:56,000 --> 01:40:00,000
problem you have to take it from fund

2028
01:40:00,000 --> 01:40:02,679
balance decre expense somewhere else

2029
01:40:02,679 --> 01:40:05,960
within the fund right so we have to take

2030
01:40:05,960 --> 01:40:07,880
from another expense from another line

2031
01:40:07,880 --> 01:40:10,119
I'm not even say a name because then

2032
01:40:10,119 --> 01:40:11,520
like yeah she said

2033
01:40:11,520 --> 01:40:13,800
that but so we have to take an expense

2034
01:40:13,800 --> 01:40:16,280
from another line in order to fund this

2035
01:40:16,280 --> 01:40:20,199
another right chares or some other

2036
01:40:20,199 --> 01:40:23,880
inrease or um take then I don't think

2037
01:40:23,880 --> 01:40:25,440
that we can then we because we're

2038
01:40:25,440 --> 01:40:27,040
already taking money from the fund

2039
01:40:27,040 --> 01:40:29,360
balance that's at a very large amount so

2040
01:40:29,360 --> 01:40:31,360
I would not be comfortable with

2041
01:40:31,360 --> 01:40:35,920
that and so um I like the idea of us and

2042
01:40:35,920 --> 01:40:37,560
I'm I'm certainly committed to it and I

2043
01:40:37,560 --> 01:40:39,840
wouldn't go back on that that we use the

2044
01:40:39,840 --> 01:40:41,679
ARA money that we're going to bring back

2045
01:40:41,679 --> 01:40:43,440
because Miss car says we're going to

2046
01:40:43,440 --> 01:40:45,480
bring some back and as the mayor say we

2047
01:40:45,480 --> 01:40:47,400
don't take it all back we're taking some

2048
01:40:47,400 --> 01:40:52,119
back would be enough to to fund this um

2049
01:40:52,119 --> 01:40:54,119
I just want to caution we did talk about

2050
01:40:54,119 --> 01:40:55,880
this post of planting thing and it was

2051
01:40:55,880 --> 01:40:58,000
definitely about federal funds and it

2052
01:40:58,000 --> 01:41:00,040
speaks specifically to something you've

2053
01:41:00,040 --> 01:41:01,960
already budgeted and then you have other

2054
01:41:01,960 --> 01:41:04,000
money put it back so I think we would

2055
01:41:04,000 --> 01:41:05,560
have to take a look at

2056
01:41:05,560 --> 01:41:09,510
that

2057
01:41:09,520 --> 01:41:11,599
something I'm not asking

2058
01:41:11,599 --> 01:41:14,239
about this particular I'm talking about

2059
01:41:14,239 --> 01:41:15,840
these phones and supp planting not

2060
01:41:15,840 --> 01:41:17,159
Police

2061
01:41:17,159 --> 01:41:20,679
Department yeah go ahead please but I

2062
01:41:20,679 --> 01:41:23,040
would also say the number we put in this

2063
01:41:23,040 --> 01:41:26,360
line is arbitrary because if as you're

2064
01:41:26,360 --> 01:41:28,400
implementing it you recognize the

2065
01:41:28,400 --> 01:41:30,639
tangibles that you and Mr Man are

2066
01:41:30,639 --> 01:41:32,440
highlighting we can just make a budget

2067
01:41:32,440 --> 01:41:34,440
amendment but I think if we use this

2068
01:41:34,440 --> 01:41:37,119
year as a case study I think everyone

2069
01:41:37,119 --> 01:41:38,840
has made abundantly clear we're on we're

2070
01:41:38,840 --> 01:41:40,800
in favor of making this a permanent line

2071
01:41:40,800 --> 01:41:42,159
we're just trying to identify to what

2072
01:41:42,159 --> 01:41:44,719
extent what I think if this meets all

2073
01:41:44,719 --> 01:41:46,159
the objectives that you highlighted and

2074
01:41:46,159 --> 01:41:47,840
I do not doubt in any manner that it

2075
01:41:47,840 --> 01:41:49,960
won't I think we can then look at how do

2076
01:41:49,960 --> 01:41:51,639
we leverage some of our other Public

2077
01:41:51,639 --> 01:41:53,719
Safety Investments to support this

2078
01:41:53,719 --> 01:41:56,639
effort as a way to restructure how do we

2079
01:41:56,639 --> 01:41:58,480
respond to these types of ongoing

2080
01:41:58,480 --> 01:42:02,840
incidents throughout the community so I think if we can just get a number

2081
01:42:02,840 --> 01:42:05,400
here getting into the year we'll be able

2082
01:42:05,400 --> 01:42:08,199
to adjust it as fit we're all in support

2083
01:42:08,199 --> 01:42:13,280
of Mr oh yeah no I know I just well all

2084
01:42:13,280 --> 01:42:20,159
right let me how much we support is is I think that we that that is

2085
01:42:20,159 --> 01:42:23,199
demonstrated by our level of investment

2086
01:42:23,199 --> 01:42:25,480
and I think that I'm not it's so let me

2087
01:42:25,480 --> 01:42:26,920
be clear cuz I don't want anyone to

2088
01:42:26,920 --> 01:42:28,960
misinterpret what I'm saying I don't

2089
01:42:28,960 --> 01:42:30,800
think that anyone

2090
01:42:30,800 --> 01:42:34,239
is against investing in our youth I

2091
01:42:34,239 --> 01:42:36,800
think everyone here is saying that and I

2092
01:42:36,800 --> 01:42:39,480
think that I think that there's a

2093
01:42:39,480 --> 01:42:41,480
justification for I guess the way I

2094
01:42:41,480 --> 01:42:42,840
would frame is I think that there's a

2095
01:42:42,840 --> 01:42:44,960
justification for a larger investment

2096
01:42:44,960 --> 01:42:46,760
than what other council members are

2097
01:42:46,760 --> 01:42:48,840
comfortable with and that's okay because

2098
01:42:48,840 --> 01:42:50,560
that's part of our

2099
01:42:50,560 --> 01:42:53,960
job but I I I

2100
01:42:53,960 --> 01:42:56,920
strongly feel

2101
01:42:56,920 --> 01:43:00,880
that what I would

2102
01:43:00,880 --> 01:43:02,880
reasonable we're going to hear something

2103
01:43:02,880 --> 01:43:05,400
next week about the um

2104
01:43:05,400 --> 01:43:07,480
those other

2105
01:43:07,480 --> 01:43:10,960
agency that is not up to par in terms of

2106
01:43:10,960 --> 01:43:13,560
um documentation in terms of their

2107
01:43:13,560 --> 01:43:16,800
additional funding so why don't we hold

2108
01:43:16,800 --> 01:43:19,679
tight on the 150 with an understanding

2109
01:43:19,679 --> 01:43:23,360
from the seven of us that once the arpa

2110
01:43:23,360 --> 01:43:27,440
is back with the city the ARA funding we

2111
01:43:27,440 --> 01:43:30,920
will do the first re um

2112
01:43:30,920 --> 01:43:33,560
reappropriation for $100,000 from the

2113
01:43:33,560 --> 01:43:36,960
ARA to fund this and to increase it to

2114
01:43:36,960 --> 01:43:41,360
$250,000 then I think and free up the U

2115
01:43:41,360 --> 01:43:44,080
the kind of like the stress right now on

2116
01:43:44,080 --> 01:43:45,639
the general

2117
01:43:45,639 --> 01:43:49,440
Reserve we can say that and all agree to

2118
01:43:49,440 --> 01:43:52,920
it but we don't know ARA money coming

2119
01:43:52,920 --> 01:43:57,159
back back to us we we well we know that

2120
01:43:57,159 --> 01:43:59,280
for a fact how much is coming back you

2121
01:43:59,280 --> 01:44:01,400
know who could get their their ducks in

2122
01:44:01,400 --> 01:44:03,719
a row before whatever I mean why could

2123
01:44:03,719 --> 01:44:05,280
we I don't think we should depend on

2124
01:44:05,280 --> 01:44:07,360
something that we don't so us as a

2125
01:44:07,360 --> 01:44:11,239
council holding strip on 150 okay I'm

2126
01:44:11,239 --> 01:44:12,560
okay with that but what if all of a

2127
01:44:12,560 --> 01:44:15,840
sudden you know next week who's stepping

2128
01:44:15,840 --> 01:44:17,719
up everything and the ARA money's I

2129
01:44:17,719 --> 01:44:21,000
don't want to say gone by any means but

2130
01:44:21,000 --> 01:44:23,800
there's people have other plans I don't

2131
01:44:23,800 --> 01:44:26,400
know it's just something I'm really not

2132
01:44:26,400 --> 01:44:29,000
comfortable uh saying right now if we're

2133
01:44:29,000 --> 01:44:31,199
going to put $100,000 into the line has

2134
01:44:31,199 --> 01:44:33,159
to go into the line yeah I think the

2135
01:44:33,159 --> 01:44:34,920
mayor also made mention that there are

2136
01:44:34,920 --> 01:44:37,280
project that will come in with some

2137
01:44:37,280 --> 01:44:39,719
savings that will also come back into

2138
01:44:39,719 --> 01:44:43,960
the city um for you know to use in other

2139
01:44:43,960 --> 01:44:47,960
um projects or programs so we have to

2140
01:44:47,960 --> 01:44:49,679
move forward at some point in time here

2141
01:44:49,679 --> 01:44:54,599
we can't stuck on this so we uh we find find where refund this and move

2142
01:44:54,599 --> 01:44:57,560
forward or we put it on hold until next

2143
01:44:57,560 --> 01:45:00,080
week when we get another update from

2144
01:45:00,080 --> 01:45:03,760
Miss car of the other agencies and then

2145
01:45:03,760 --> 01:45:05,560
we as a council would have to have to

2146
01:45:05,560 --> 01:45:08,719
meet u a special meeting reappropriate

2147
01:45:08,719 --> 01:45:10,719
make amendments and reapo uh

2148
01:45:10,719 --> 01:45:12,760
reappropriate these money

2149
01:45:12,760 --> 01:45:15,840
then I just need some clarity so first

2150
01:45:15,840 --> 01:45:18,040
of all um in terms of what Miss Carver

2151
01:45:18,040 --> 01:45:19,840
was saying yesterday she was pretty

2152
01:45:19,840 --> 01:45:21,760
confident that that this the money come

2153
01:45:21,760 --> 01:45:23,280
back she specifically called out an

2154
01:45:23,280 --> 01:45:25,440
agency and said not only do they have

2155
01:45:25,440 --> 01:45:27,520
this money which they haven't touched

2156
01:45:27,520 --> 01:45:28,800
there's other money that they haven't

2157
01:45:28,800 --> 01:45:31,199
touched she was 100% confident that that

2158
01:45:31,199 --> 01:45:33,199
there is some money coming back in well

2159
01:45:33,199 --> 01:45:35,480
over the amount the other thing is

2160
01:45:35,480 --> 01:45:38,159
though when we we finished last night we

2161
01:45:38,159 --> 01:45:40,800
did say we left at 250 but now I'm

2162
01:45:40,800 --> 01:45:43,679
hearing we're going to hold at 150 and

2163
01:45:43,679 --> 01:45:45,920
then when the AR real allocation comes

2164
01:45:45,920 --> 01:45:48,520
in to bring the other Mr Farley would

2165
01:45:48,520 --> 01:45:52,040
say 150 in so is that that's what I'm

2166
01:45:52,040 --> 01:45:54,119
recommended at this

2167
01:45:54,119 --> 01:45:56,679
time and I I think that that's that's a

2168
01:45:56,679 --> 01:45:59,880
doable stuff for us because you listen

2169
01:45:59,880 --> 01:46:03,159
to miss car she was very direct in terms

2170
01:46:03,159 --> 01:46:05,480
of money coming back and I think she

2171
01:46:05,480 --> 01:46:08,520
would not do that publicly if she did

2172
01:46:08,520 --> 01:46:10,639
not have concrete

2173
01:46:10,639 --> 01:46:13,040
information and I trust

2174
01:46:13,040 --> 01:46:16,080
her not that I trust her I support that

2175
01:46:16,080 --> 01:46:18,199
I'm not I do not support taking the

2176
01:46:18,199 --> 01:46:21,800
extra $100,000 from another expense line

2177
01:46:21,800 --> 01:46:24,040
um so I do support using the what's

2178
01:46:24,040 --> 01:46:26,000
going to come back from arpa to do this

2179
01:46:26,000 --> 01:46:27,920
and I feel strongly that we're all

2180
01:46:27,920 --> 01:46:29,199
obviously wanting to make this

2181
01:46:29,199 --> 01:46:31,520
investment but I am not in favor of

2182
01:46:31,520 --> 01:46:33,599
touching any expense any expense is here

2183
01:46:33,599 --> 01:46:36,119
for a purpose right and if we were to

2184
01:46:36,119 --> 01:46:37,320
drop an

2185
01:46:37,320 --> 01:46:40,520
expense an expenditure line then we

2186
01:46:40,520 --> 01:46:43,560
we're jeopardizing a service to our

2187
01:46:43,560 --> 01:46:45,800
community if we want to increase it we

2188
01:46:45,800 --> 01:46:48,800
have to find Revenue we either increase

2189
01:46:48,800 --> 01:46:51,080
the revenue line or we take it out from

2190
01:46:51,080 --> 01:46:54,000
the Reserve I I the only two option we

2191
01:46:54,000 --> 01:46:56,920
have two options we have y so my

2192
01:46:56,920 --> 01:46:59,840
recommendation to hold tight on 150 we

2193
01:46:59,840 --> 01:47:03,639
come back as early as we can and make a

2194
01:47:03,639 --> 01:47:05,360
budget re appropriation we have done

2195
01:47:05,360 --> 01:47:07,800
that in the past way before the budget

2196
01:47:07,800 --> 01:47:11,199
into the into the new year I can recall

2197
01:47:11,199 --> 01:47:13,080
we we have done that I think maybe

2198
01:47:13,080 --> 01:47:15,639
another option to just think is maybe

2199
01:47:15,639 --> 01:47:17,280
the council dig deep and see if there's

2200
01:47:17,280 --> 01:47:19,560
local partners that may want to

2201
01:47:19,560 --> 01:47:24,910
donate um to Youth Services uh to the

2202
01:47:24,920 --> 01:47:27,599
that might be a possibility as well I

2203
01:47:27,599 --> 01:47:29,280
think I I agree I think that is a

2204
01:47:29,280 --> 01:47:31,000
possibility but I also think that if we

2205
01:47:31,000 --> 01:47:32,880
do that then it just increases our

2206
01:47:32,880 --> 01:47:34,480
capacity to serve more Youth and I

2207
01:47:34,480 --> 01:47:37,480
wouldn't really be um I for one wouldn't

2208
01:47:37,480 --> 01:47:40,280
be comfortable um frankly I'm not

2209
01:47:40,280 --> 01:47:43,960
comfortable um taking such an important

2210
01:47:43,960 --> 01:47:46,639
thing and leaving it up

2211
01:47:46,639 --> 01:47:50,760
to the generosity of others or because I

2212
01:47:50,760 --> 01:47:53,840
don't know where people you know some

2213
01:47:53,840 --> 01:47:55,360
people you know look at the position

2214
01:47:55,360 --> 01:47:57,760
we're in we want to do we want to fund

2215
01:47:57,760 --> 01:47:58,880
more but

2216
01:47:58,880 --> 01:48:01,080
we're strapped a little bit we're trying

2217
01:48:01,080 --> 01:48:02,880
to figure out how to do that I think

2218
01:48:02,880 --> 01:48:04,520
that that might be the case across our

2219
01:48:04,520 --> 01:48:06,080
community so I I wouldn't feel

2220
01:48:06,080 --> 01:48:09,480
comfortable um solely depending on that

2221
01:48:09,480 --> 01:48:12,239
um how do you feel that Mr ear if you

2222
01:48:12,239 --> 01:48:16,239
don't mind me ask about the the um what

2223
01:48:16,239 --> 01:48:19,199
Mr Mr M saying about doing the now then

2224
01:48:19,199 --> 01:48:21,119
the AR when it comes back to and before

2225
01:48:21,119 --> 01:48:22,960
just be clear that would happen before

2226
01:48:22,960 --> 01:48:27,679
the end of 2024 has to and then we we we

2227
01:48:27,679 --> 01:48:30,159
um appropriate some of those funds to

2228
01:48:30,159 --> 01:48:33,920
then um then fund that to the level

2229
01:48:33,920 --> 01:48:35,639
that's that's you're requesting because

2230
01:48:35,639 --> 01:48:38,360
my concern is and we you know we ask

2231
01:48:38,360 --> 01:48:41,360
Corporation Council I did talk to Mr um

2232
01:48:41,360 --> 01:48:43,480
Sean Ryan about this but but for

2233
01:48:43,480 --> 01:48:45,320
something different that we put the

2234
01:48:45,320 --> 01:48:47,800
money in and then from the fund balance

2235
01:48:47,800 --> 01:48:49,480
and put it in and then take it back out

2236
01:48:49,480 --> 01:48:51,119
and then put this money in and then we

2237
01:48:51,119 --> 01:48:53,080
could be considered supplanting because

2238
01:48:53,080 --> 01:48:55,000
this is federal money and there's a real

2239
01:48:55,000 --> 01:48:56,960
thing about that yeah oh absolutely I

2240
01:48:56,960 --> 01:48:59,800
mean I would anything that we do um you

2241
01:48:59,800 --> 01:49:01,320
know has to be in compliance with the

2242
01:49:01,320 --> 01:49:03,880
parameters you know so so I'm definitely

2243
01:49:03,880 --> 01:49:06,400
not suggesting we do anything that um

2244
01:49:06,400 --> 01:49:08,159
would uh find we could find ourselves

2245
01:49:08,159 --> 01:49:11,080
liable for misappropriation of funds um

2246
01:49:11,080 --> 01:49:14,520
I don't think anyone's saying that but I

2247
01:49:14,520 --> 01:49:21,520
so I I consider um Mr moari scenario um

2248
01:49:21,520 --> 01:49:23,679
right now I'm not comfort able with ag

2249
01:49:23,679 --> 01:49:27,320
green to that right now but uh I'd like

2250
01:49:27,320 --> 01:49:29,719
a little bit more time to uh ponder that

2251
01:49:29,719 --> 01:49:30,960
and see what that could look like I

2252
01:49:30,960 --> 01:49:36,430
think that's that's a fair

2253
01:49:36,440 --> 01:49:44,229
answer okay move on any other question

2254
01:49:44,239 --> 01:49:53,310
this Mr Williams you want to go true um

2255
01:49:53,320 --> 01:49:56,280
no no no no no sorry um I'm reading and

2256
01:49:56,280 --> 01:49:58,080
asking you at the same time we just to

2257
01:49:58,080 --> 01:49:59,679
go back up to yours U your

2258
01:49:59,679 --> 01:50:02,639
recommendation part U development

2259
01:50:02,639 --> 01:50:05,440
Administration and the director of

2260
01:50:05,440 --> 01:50:08,599
development the owning officer homes I

2261
01:50:08,599 --> 01:50:12,040
just wait for if you don't mind

2262
01:50:12,040 --> 01:50:15,800
here miss Patrick oh let's wait on Miss

2263
01:50:15,800 --> 01:50:23,669
Patrick it would be fa

2264
01:50:23,679 --> 01:50:28,189
take a two minute

2265
01:50:28,199 --> 01:50:30,920
recess I think we should recess Finance

2266
01:50:30,920 --> 01:50:31,920
till next

2267
01:50:31,920 --> 01:50:36,629
Tuesday it's been an exhausting

2268
01:50:36,639 --> 01:50:43,290
week I was hoping to get this thing

2269
01:50:43,300 --> 01:51:03,950
[Music]

2270
01:51:03,960 --> 01:51:08,000
no and this money going to get back if

2271
01:51:08,000 --> 01:51:09,639
you

2272
01:51:09,639 --> 01:51:12,440
get I just recall something around the

2273
01:51:12,440 --> 01:51:14,800
conversation that we couldn't we can't

2274
01:51:14,800 --> 01:51:17,000
put it in this

2275
01:51:17,000 --> 01:51:20,400
budget so when we get a call back when

2276
01:51:20,400 --> 01:51:25,109
we get money back we'll have to do

2277
01:51:25,119 --> 01:51:27,480
yes for our programs outside of this

2278
01:51:27,480 --> 01:51:29,280
budget so you have to be a

2279
01:51:29,280 --> 01:51:31,440
reappropriation to the and what does it

2280
01:51:31,440 --> 01:51:34,000
take to do that simple resolution simple

2281
01:51:34,000 --> 01:51:36,520
amending the resolution taking a money

2282
01:51:36,520 --> 01:51:39,760
back from those agency and reappropriate

2283
01:51:39,760 --> 01:51:42,239
to the city and then we'll have to list

2284
01:51:42,239 --> 01:51:44,719
programs the city yes now let me ask you

2285
01:51:44,719 --> 01:51:47,040
a question so with this whole process

2286
01:51:47,040 --> 01:51:49,880
that began our where people put in

2287
01:51:49,880 --> 01:51:51,400
applications now all of a sudden there's

2288
01:51:51,400 --> 01:51:54,400
money back into the city we have to be

2289
01:51:54,400 --> 01:51:58,360
absolutely no go well you say you say no

2290
01:51:58,360 --> 01:52:00,679
but we've already had another aspect we

2291
01:52:00,679 --> 01:52:03,760
having asked for for a baseball

2292
01:52:03,760 --> 01:52:06,320
basketball okay so I I'm just bringing

2293
01:52:06,320 --> 01:52:08,280
that no no no I am going to be straight

2294
01:52:08,280 --> 01:52:10,360
up and I made it very clear in in the

2295
01:52:10,360 --> 01:52:13,480
budget meeting and and beyond that I am

2296
01:52:13,480 --> 01:52:15,760
not supporting any money that is coming

2297
01:52:15,760 --> 01:52:19,440
back to us to go outside of the city let

2298
01:52:19,440 --> 01:52:21,000
it is going to stay I was very clear

2299
01:52:21,000 --> 01:52:22,679
during budget hearing money is going to

2300
01:52:22,679 --> 01:52:24,679
state in house when you say back to the

2301
01:52:24,679 --> 01:52:26,199
city you mean back to the city city of

2302
01:52:26,199 --> 01:52:29,360
conect budget not to agencies or any

2303
01:52:29,360 --> 01:52:31,440
other programs outside of the city I

2304
01:52:31,440 --> 01:52:35,079
would not support that just yeah and on

2305
01:52:35,079 --> 01:52:37,599
red card again not because I hear what

2306
01:52:37,599 --> 01:52:39,000
you're saying though that's a good point

2307
01:52:39,000 --> 01:52:41,880
to bring up but no we we we shouldn't do

2308
01:52:41,880 --> 01:52:44,760
that and I I think we should do that but

2309
01:52:44,760 --> 01:52:46,520
no we

2310
01:52:46,520 --> 01:52:49,440
shouldn't what if just

2311
01:52:49,440 --> 01:52:52,480
hypothetically what if and I don't know

2312
01:52:52,480 --> 01:52:55,920
can we keep talking yeah slide be

2313
01:52:55,920 --> 01:52:59,079
careful what you're saying um but I mean

2314
01:52:59,079 --> 01:53:01,920
hypothetically there might be many more

2315
01:53:01,920 --> 01:53:04,920
projects that the money would come back

2316
01:53:04,920 --> 01:53:06,480
um so

2317
01:53:06,480 --> 01:53:10,679
then could we do okay so we can't like

2318
01:53:10,679 --> 01:53:12,800
okay we should not consider anything

2319
01:53:12,800 --> 01:53:15,719
outside we're done are okay to the

2320
01:53:15,719 --> 01:53:18,360
agency outside and we should keep

2321
01:53:18,360 --> 01:53:22,079
that okay nobody would change my mind on

2322
01:53:22,079 --> 01:53:23,079
that

2323
01:53:23,079 --> 01:53:25,679
I don't care what they what

2324
01:53:25,679 --> 01:53:29,280
they I straight forward that to keep it

2325
01:53:29,280 --> 01:53:32,239
to help us with our projects our call

2326
01:53:32,239 --> 01:53:35,599
and to address anything that is related

2327
01:53:35,599 --> 01:53:37,920
excuse me sorry the youth the youth

2328
01:53:37,920 --> 01:53:40,719
service youth program is City program

2329
01:53:40,719 --> 01:53:53,310
okay

2330
01:53:53,320 --> 01:54:05,350
this little

2331
01:54:05,360 --> 01:54:09,079
warm I'm going to go through L um both

2332
01:54:09,079 --> 01:54:12,920
recommendation um one by one see where

2333
01:54:12,920 --> 01:54:20,870
stands and we wrap up I okay thank

2334
01:54:20,880 --> 01:54:23,719
you okay let's continue I will do um

2335
01:54:23,719 --> 01:54:26,320
item by item and V recommendation that

2336
01:54:26,320 --> 01:54:29,880
is before us and let's move on and then

2337
01:54:29,880 --> 01:54:31,800
we'll go to the next one and then we'll

2338
01:54:31,800 --> 01:54:35,119
um conclude because I don't see that we

2339
01:54:35,119 --> 01:54:38,000
have a conclusion this um this evening

2340
01:54:38,000 --> 01:54:39,639
so let's deal with um the one that we

2341
01:54:39,639 --> 01:54:41,840
receiv received today Department of um

2342
01:54:41,840 --> 01:54:44,520
development Administration director of

2343
01:54:44,520 --> 01:54:47,040
development yesterday there was a

2344
01:54:47,040 --> 01:54:50,639
recommendation to increase

2345
01:54:50,639 --> 01:54:56,270
that to 10%

2346
01:54:56,280 --> 01:55:00,109
Mr Williams my

2347
01:55:00,119 --> 01:55:02,719
recommendation on that sheet okay yes is

2348
01:55:02,719 --> 01:55:05,280
that sheet that I Shar with you

2349
01:55:05,280 --> 01:55:08,719
today what is the council take on this

2350
01:55:08,719 --> 01:55:10,360
can I please have your input go ahead

2351
01:55:10,360 --> 01:55:11,920
please so I just want to take it from

2352
01:55:11,920 --> 01:55:17,040
the larger perspective and um we are

2353
01:55:17,040 --> 01:55:19,800
talking about um that this is going to

2354
01:55:19,800 --> 01:55:21,360
the the amount that where would you say

2355
01:55:21,360 --> 01:55:23,239
we would be getting that amount from the

2356
01:55:23,239 --> 01:55:25,960
91,000 916 where were they Happ we did

2357
01:55:25,960 --> 01:55:29,280
not identify okay where it's coming from

2358
01:55:29,280 --> 01:55:34,639
so larger perspective and let me also

2359
01:55:34,639 --> 01:55:36,960
keep keep in mind that this amount these

2360
01:55:36,960 --> 01:55:38,679
things already include the 250 they

2361
01:55:38,679 --> 01:55:41,960
don't include 150 so there's that so um

2362
01:55:41,960 --> 01:55:47,040
do we my in order to not spend 91,000 of

2363
01:55:47,040 --> 01:55:48,840
the

2364
01:55:48,840 --> 01:55:51,800
um of the fund balance then I would

2365
01:55:51,800 --> 01:55:53,719
suggest that maybe you can lower some of

2366
01:55:53,719 --> 01:55:57,000
these um simply because it's more going

2367
01:55:57,000 --> 01:56:00,679
to be more than 4% but also it's going

2368
01:56:00,679 --> 01:56:03,360
to it's um not maybe not be quite T the

2369
01:56:03,360 --> 01:56:05,119
level that these are at because within

2370
01:56:05,119 --> 01:56:06,760
this number we haven't

2371
01:56:06,760 --> 01:56:09,520
included the person from the email the

2372
01:56:09,520 --> 01:56:13,280
new one cor so just want to put that out

2373
01:56:13,280 --> 01:56:15,840
there that it could be something you can

2374
01:56:15,840 --> 01:56:18,560
consider so it's not the full what we

2375
01:56:18,560 --> 01:56:20,960
decided last year last point I didn't

2376
01:56:20,960 --> 01:56:23,400
frankly

2377
01:56:23,400 --> 01:56:26,750
that

2378
01:56:26,760 --> 01:56:30,840
97,000 I'm sorry 97 individual

2379
01:56:30,840 --> 01:56:35,679
10% at their 2024

2380
01:56:35,679 --> 01:56:37,599
salary be

2381
01:56:37,599 --> 01:56:40,520
9336 would be the new salary the council

2382
01:56:40,520 --> 01:56:42,679
didn't make that change and a difference

2383
01:56:42,679 --> 01:56:44,040
of

2384
01:56:44,040 --> 01:56:48,560
$593 um that over variance

2385
01:56:48,560 --> 01:56:53,239
97609 609 yeah 9769

2386
01:56:53,239 --> 01:56:55,760
and and I just also want to point out

2387
01:56:55,760 --> 01:56:58,320
while we're talking about it um when we

2388
01:56:58,320 --> 01:57:00,480
originally got the asks for these

2389
01:57:00,480 --> 01:57:03,079
Physicians the director of development

2390
01:57:03,079 --> 01:57:06,040
the ask was at 15 so we already reduced

2391
01:57:06,040 --> 01:57:09,560
it on the ask so this initial ask for

2392
01:57:09,560 --> 01:57:11,639
the other position the principal planner

2393
01:57:11,639 --> 01:57:14,239
the initial ask was at 10 so we've

2394
01:57:14,239 --> 01:57:18,280
already started to um make it less than

2395
01:57:18,280 --> 01:57:20,599
the asked on all of them every single

2396
01:57:20,599 --> 01:57:26,239
one I think said no two of them for the smaller amounts for the uh

2397
01:57:26,239 --> 01:57:28,400
development Administration and Community

2398
01:57:28,400 --> 01:57:31,639
Development um they were like really

2399
01:57:31,639 --> 01:57:33,679
small amounts and so we didn't lower

2400
01:57:33,679 --> 01:57:36,159
those however Administration for

2401
01:57:36,159 --> 01:57:39,800
Department of development started at 15

2402
01:57:39,800 --> 01:57:42,639
and I don't know what your what the

2403
01:57:42,639 --> 01:57:44,280
original ask was in the city Cork's

2404
01:57:44,280 --> 01:57:46,239
office and the finance Administration

2405
01:57:46,239 --> 01:57:48,800
started at 51 so we've already started

2406
01:57:48,800 --> 01:57:51,599
to reduce those so you should keep that

2407
01:57:51,599 --> 01:57:53,400
in mind

2408
01:57:53,400 --> 01:57:55,880
as we're looking at this so it started

2409
01:57:55,880 --> 01:57:59,520
at 10 so do we keep it at 10 or do we

2410
01:57:59,520 --> 01:58:02,679
reduce the based on what we've done so

2411
01:58:02,679 --> 01:58:04,520
far

2412
01:58:04,520 --> 01:58:07,119
okay for for the sake of time to respect

2413
01:58:07,119 --> 01:58:08,880
everybody's time I'm going to

2414
01:58:08,880 --> 01:58:11,400
ask right before us we have a

2415
01:58:11,400 --> 01:58:14,550
recommendation for

2416
01:58:14,560 --> 01:58:18,000
10% what what are this for for the 10%

2417
01:58:18,000 --> 01:58:19,880
that is

2418
01:58:19,880 --> 01:58:22,920
20 that is my direct

2419
01:58:22,920 --> 01:58:25,239
question I to the table I feel like we

2420
01:58:25,239 --> 01:58:26,599
went around the table earlier this

2421
01:58:26,599 --> 01:58:29,520
evening about this um didn't we kind of

2422
01:58:29,520 --> 01:58:31,239
about the we didn't we didn't talk about

2423
01:58:31,239 --> 01:58:33,960
this one oh oh no not about the specific

2424
01:58:33,960 --> 01:58:35,760
I want to be specific I guess I want to

2425
01:58:35,760 --> 01:58:37,360
hear what other people say I guess I was

2426
01:58:37,360 --> 01:58:39,520
talking about trying to stick with the

2427
01:58:39,520 --> 01:58:43,910
3% so I'd like to hear what other people

2428
01:58:43,920 --> 01:58:50,760
say you say lower it from the 10% to to a a number what is that I mean across

2429
01:58:50,760 --> 01:58:52,599
even with all of these too I'm not you

2430
01:58:52,599 --> 01:58:53,639
know that's what we're talking about

2431
01:58:53,639 --> 01:58:56,320
yeah not

2432
01:58:56,320 --> 01:58:59,360
just what I'm saying is that we should

2433
01:58:59,360 --> 01:59:01,880
try not to go into the fund

2434
01:59:01,880 --> 01:59:05,199
balance and so and again I'm going to

2435
01:59:05,199 --> 01:59:06,920
sayate that the 250 is already in here

2436
01:59:06,920 --> 01:59:08,639
so it doesn't

2437
01:59:08,639 --> 01:59:11,440
include if we if we took out the 150

2438
01:59:11,440 --> 01:59:12,400
that because which is that's what you're

2439
01:59:12,400 --> 01:59:14,679
saying is to move there and then we can

2440
01:59:14,679 --> 01:59:18,870
be there but the 250 is already in

2441
01:59:18,880 --> 01:59:22,560
this you wouldn't be taking anything at

2442
01:59:22,560 --> 01:59:23,719
that addition

2443
01:59:23,719 --> 01:59:27,119
100,000 you actually ruc balance by

2444
01:59:27,119 --> 01:59:29,400
3,000 or

2445
01:59:29,400 --> 01:59:32,560
8,000 that

2446
01:59:32,560 --> 01:59:35,079
individual you

2447
01:59:35,079 --> 01:59:37,880
know but we also have to hear from Mr

2448
01:59:37,880 --> 01:59:41,920
far how he feels about that um what was

2449
01:59:41,920 --> 01:59:44,119
proposed so

2450
01:59:44,119 --> 01:59:46,320
I'm I'm getting the two things kind of

2451
01:59:46,320 --> 01:59:48,719
completed here me too yeah you are too

2452
01:59:48,719 --> 01:59:50,800
yeah okay

2453
01:59:50,800 --> 01:59:54,360
so I you're talking you're talking right

2454
01:59:54,360 --> 01:59:58,159
now about the the youth line I'm talking

2455
01:59:58,159 --> 02:00:05,199
about everything in here all oh okay okay use lines in here yes yes yes I'm talking about everything

2456
02:00:05,199 --> 02:00:07,079
that exists on this piece of

2457
02:00:07,079 --> 02:00:10,440
paper and what so and let me better

2458
02:00:10,440 --> 02:00:13,159
understand what your question is am I am

2459
02:00:13,159 --> 02:00:17,639
I okay with the 250 because it's already

2460
02:00:17,639 --> 02:00:19,280
in here is that what it's time to no I'm

2461
02:00:19,280 --> 02:00:21,480
ask so what was the end of the last

2462
02:00:21,480 --> 02:00:24,520
conversation was that we would leave it

2463
02:00:24,520 --> 02:00:26,520
as is in the budget currently which is

2464
02:00:26,520 --> 02:00:31,040
150 M if we did that then this would not

2465
02:00:31,040 --> 02:00:33,360
be over at all and it would change the

2466
02:00:33,360 --> 02:00:35,360
conversation you're saying that that if

2467
02:00:35,360 --> 02:00:37,520
we did that if we left it at 150 then

2468
02:00:37,520 --> 02:00:41,440
that other $100,000 would be up for the

2469
02:00:41,440 --> 02:00:44,400
negoti for the negotiation of what we

2470
02:00:44,400 --> 02:00:48,880
will have $3,000 on the right side right be balance we would we wouldn't

2471
02:00:48,880 --> 02:00:50,960
have we so I think we have to make that

2472
02:00:50,960 --> 02:00:52,679
decision before we start deciding

2473
02:00:52,679 --> 02:00:55,800
whether these amounts are are what we

2474
02:00:55,800 --> 02:00:58,239
can do because if we take that out then

2475
02:00:58,239 --> 02:00:59,880
there's no we don't have to go to the

2476
02:00:59,880 --> 02:01:01,119
fund balance actually there's a little

2477
02:01:01,119 --> 02:01:03,119
bit more to the fund

2478
02:01:03,119 --> 02:01:05,400
balance so that to me is part of the

2479
02:01:05,400 --> 02:01:08,000
discussion and the decision that we make

2480
02:01:08,000 --> 02:01:10,360
before we discuss this

2481
02:01:10,360 --> 02:01:12,719
because know Mr Farley understand where

2482
02:01:12,719 --> 02:01:18,360
you're coming from and I you know in the past and historically

2483
02:01:18,360 --> 02:01:21,079
when on this Council here we sometimes

2484
02:01:21,079 --> 02:01:23,880
we agree and and then we back pedal

2485
02:01:23,880 --> 02:01:25,719
certain times and it happened a lot of

2486
02:01:25,719 --> 02:01:27,400
time I've been here as long as Miss

2487
02:01:27,400 --> 02:01:30,360
bfield I know this is my 11 budget I'm

2488
02:01:30,360 --> 02:01:33,599
getting too old for this place here so

2489
02:01:33,599 --> 02:01:34,719
yes I understand where you're coming

2490
02:01:34,719 --> 02:01:37,480
from and um you are skeptical I can see

2491
02:01:37,480 --> 02:01:42,440
that but I'm going to repeat again that

2492
02:01:42,440 --> 02:01:44,960
when the arpo money is back with us we

2493
02:01:44,960 --> 02:01:47,320
can do a budget

2494
02:01:47,320 --> 02:01:51,119
reappropriation and put an additional

2495
02:01:51,119 --> 02:01:53,239
100,000 against this

2496
02:01:53,239 --> 02:01:56,560
C in the next couple weeks once that is

2497
02:01:56,560 --> 02:01:58,560
finalized for youth for youth services

2498
02:01:58,560 --> 02:02:01,149
for Youth

2499
02:02:01,159 --> 02:02:03,920
Services if we can back that $100,000

2500
02:02:03,920 --> 02:02:09,750
Outback we have $3,000 Plus on the right

2501
02:02:09,760 --> 02:02:16,430
side yes yes you keep the

2502
02:02:16,440 --> 02:02:24,679
Sal separate first we're talking about the youth

2503
02:02:24,679 --> 02:02:26,239
services you're talking overall

2504
02:02:26,239 --> 02:02:29,920
everything yes so and are we using the

2505
02:02:29,920 --> 02:02:32,320
um are we using Mr Williams's

2506
02:02:32,320 --> 02:02:35,440
suggestions of now yes and then we then

2507
02:02:35,440 --> 02:02:37,239
we'll have to get or are we using just

2508
02:02:37,239 --> 02:02:38,199
you know

2509
02:02:38,199 --> 02:02:41,360
what we're using both we're using the

2510
02:02:41,360 --> 02:02:45,880
May's 2025 proposal to align with that

2511
02:02:45,880 --> 02:02:48,760
and also align with the conso um Mr

2512
02:02:48,760 --> 02:02:53,870
Williams um change

2513
02:02:53,880 --> 02:02:56,480
and also the suggestion from the finance

2514
02:02:56,480 --> 02:03:01,870
commissioner the Deputy Commissioner of

2515
02:03:01,880 --> 02:03:09,629
Finance new salary

2516
02:03:09,639 --> 02:03:12,159
in5 Al so we're ask we're kind of asking

2517
02:03:12,159 --> 02:03:13,679
a couple different questions in here

2518
02:03:13,679 --> 02:03:17,629
actually get

2519
02:03:17,639 --> 02:03:20,239
start so that's why I said let's are we

2520
02:03:20,239 --> 02:03:23,360
going to even that 250 one additional

2521
02:03:23,360 --> 02:03:24,880
and that's why that's why I th that all

2522
02:03:24,880 --> 02:03:27,560
back is that very clear with that

2523
02:03:27,560 --> 02:03:29,360
moments ago in terms of how we should

2524
02:03:29,360 --> 02:03:31,639
proceed with

2525
02:03:31,639 --> 02:03:34,320
that so then that changes changes this

2526
02:03:34,320 --> 02:03:37,400
Dynamic so it's we won't be over so that

2527
02:03:37,400 --> 02:03:39,520
for me was one of the questions so that

2528
02:03:39,520 --> 02:03:52,310
answers the question for me

2529
02:03:52,320 --> 02:03:53,440
so what are we going to do about that

2530
02:03:53,440 --> 02:03:54,960
are weing it out right

2531
02:03:54,960 --> 02:03:56,559
now

2532
02:03:56,559 --> 02:03:59,040
100,000 the 100,000 out of the arpa

2533
02:03:59,040 --> 02:04:00,520
funding that's going to come back to us

2534
02:04:00,520 --> 02:04:03,920
for Youth Services I'm supportive of

2535
02:04:03,920 --> 02:04:05,040
making that

2536
02:04:05,040 --> 02:04:07,520
250,000 yeah this is totally different

2537
02:04:07,520 --> 02:04:08,719
is that what we're talking about right

2538
02:04:08,719 --> 02:04:10,400
now that's what I'm trying to ask so

2539
02:04:10,400 --> 02:04:13,599
what what I'm talking about is that what

2540
02:04:13,599 --> 02:04:15,320
Mr M said at the end of the last

2541
02:04:15,320 --> 02:04:16,880
conversation in terms of youth programs

2542
02:04:16,880 --> 02:04:19,679
that we would leave it at 150 which is

2543
02:04:19,679 --> 02:04:21,800
currently within the budget that's what

2544
02:04:21,800 --> 02:04:24,599
he said mhm this however reflects the

2545
02:04:24,599 --> 02:04:28,119
additional 100,000 which means it at

2546
02:04:28,119 --> 02:04:31,639
250 but if we're going with what was

2547
02:04:31,639 --> 02:04:34,280
suggested at the end to use the 150 now

2548
02:04:34,280 --> 02:04:36,559
and then get take some money from when

2549
02:04:36,559 --> 02:04:39,159
it's recouped um from the programs that

2550
02:04:39,159 --> 02:04:41,559
weren't able to use it and then fund it

2551
02:04:41,559 --> 02:04:43,040
then that means that this goes down to

2552
02:04:43,040 --> 02:04:44,400
150

2553
02:04:44,400 --> 02:04:46,599
here but we still haven't decided where

2554
02:04:46,599 --> 02:04:48,360
we want to actually do these raises

2555
02:04:48,360 --> 02:04:50,040
right I mean no no that's I'm saying we

2556
02:04:50,040 --> 02:04:51,480
didn't touch on that we're just talking

2557
02:04:51,480 --> 02:04:53,719
about yes to the youth services is my

2558
02:04:53,719 --> 02:04:55,960
I'm not sure about these raises I I

2559
02:04:55,960 --> 02:04:57,760
think I made my statement clear earlier

2560
02:04:57,760 --> 02:04:59,440
about the raises all right so that's a

2561
02:04:59,440 --> 02:05:02,119
no for all the raises from

2562
02:05:02,119 --> 02:05:05,639
this let her say it I actually no she

2563
02:05:05,639 --> 02:05:07,400
said that she said

2564
02:05:07,400 --> 02:05:10,119
that just let's speak for each other

2565
02:05:10,119 --> 02:05:13,920
please yeah um well I'd like to hear

2566
02:05:13,920 --> 02:05:15,440
what other people say before I make a

2567
02:05:15,440 --> 02:05:19,960
final car on that I mean the 25 Council

2568
02:05:19,960 --> 02:05:22,000
changes

2569
02:05:22,000 --> 02:05:24,400
what well I'm looking at the column that

2570
02:05:24,400 --> 02:05:34,709
says counil

2571
02:05:34,719 --> 02:05:36,880
changes how how do other people feel

2572
02:05:36,880 --> 02:05:37,760
about

2573
02:05:37,760 --> 02:05:40,119
these salary

2574
02:05:40,119 --> 02:05:41,960
increases I definitely think there need

2575
02:05:41,960 --> 02:05:45,559
to be increases that's not a question so

2576
02:05:45,559 --> 02:05:47,320
I can answer that and I don't mean just

2577
02:05:47,320 --> 02:06:00,669
for one position

2578
02:06:00,679 --> 02:06:02,599
and I'll State again that this is

2579
02:06:02,599 --> 02:06:04,840
already reduction from what was asked

2580
02:06:04,840 --> 02:06:07,800
was and if we're adding the

2581
02:06:07,800 --> 02:06:10,679
additional ask that we got the email for

2582
02:06:10,679 --> 02:06:13,159
and that was at 10% then in my mind that

2583
02:06:13,159 --> 02:06:15,360
means that we also um reduced that for

2584
02:06:15,360 --> 02:06:18,000
the original ask as well that's my

2585
02:06:18,000 --> 02:06:27,549
opinion

2586
02:06:27,559 --> 02:06:29,559
so I will be the first person at this

2587
02:06:29,559 --> 02:06:31,679
point to recommend solid numbers I'm

2588
02:06:31,679 --> 02:06:34,760
recommending we return the youth program

2589
02:06:34,760 --> 02:06:38,679
line to 150 which will balance all of

2590
02:06:38,679 --> 02:06:40,280
the recommendations I previously

2591
02:06:40,280 --> 02:06:42,520
highlighted plus the additional person

2592
02:06:42,520 --> 02:06:46,440
that presented uh today with the cost

2593
02:06:46,440 --> 02:06:49,239
savings to the fund balance that is my

2594
02:06:49,239 --> 02:06:51,040
recommendation and I would say if no one

2595
02:06:51,040 --> 02:06:53,400
else is prepared to respond in a similar

2596
02:06:53,400 --> 02:06:55,040
manner then I'm going to ask for a

2597
02:06:55,040 --> 02:06:56,960
recess because at that point we are just

2598
02:06:56,960 --> 02:06:58,840
going around in circles about wouldes

2599
02:06:58,840 --> 02:07:01,360
and could have and Sh if no one is going

2600
02:07:01,360 --> 02:07:03,800
to just put out a number and I mean that

2601
02:07:03,800 --> 02:07:05,800
as respectfully as

2602
02:07:05,800 --> 02:07:07,960
possible I think I put out my number and

2603
02:07:07,960 --> 02:07:09,639
just we need to reduce the other person

2604
02:07:09,639 --> 02:07:11,040
so I'm good with this and we should just

2605
02:07:11,040 --> 02:07:13,520
reduce the additional one we got because

2606
02:07:13,520 --> 02:07:15,719
going by what we did before we reduce

2607
02:07:15,719 --> 02:07:18,840
everybody from 15 to 10 so if the ask is

2608
02:07:18,840 --> 02:07:20,480
10 then we should look at the number to

2609
02:07:20,480 --> 02:07:22,559
reduce and uncomfortable with everything

2610
02:07:22,559 --> 02:07:25,920
else on here so so so you're good with

2611
02:07:25,920 --> 02:07:29,920
the console 20 2025 percentage change

2612
02:07:29,920 --> 02:07:32,480
except for the youth

2613
02:07:32,480 --> 02:07:37,079
programs I was the I'm I'm trying to get

2614
02:07:37,079 --> 02:07:40,159
the to move on from here yes yes except

2615
02:07:40,159 --> 02:07:43,239
for the adding in the planner comes to

2616
02:07:43,239 --> 02:07:45,480
97609 is what I'm

2617
02:07:45,480 --> 02:07:48,599
hearing 9

2618
02:07:48,599 --> 02:07:52,199
97609 is what I think that's the

2619
02:07:52,199 --> 02:07:55,320
variance yeah an additional but if you

2620
02:07:55,320 --> 02:07:59,400
remove the the youth program back to 150

2621
02:07:59,400 --> 02:08:03,430
then that will be on the right side of

2622
02:08:03,440 --> 02:08:07,639
$33,000 plus not negative go ahead yes

2623
02:08:07,639 --> 02:08:09,559
and as I stated earlier I just I just

2624
02:08:09,559 --> 02:08:12,599
think it's sending a wrong message to to

2625
02:08:12,599 --> 02:08:14,719
a lot of different people we're facing a

2626
02:08:14,719 --> 02:08:16,920
huge deficit this year moving forward

2627
02:08:16,920 --> 02:08:20,000
next year um and at this point I I I

2628
02:08:20,000 --> 02:08:22,920
don't think I I I'm not I'm not in favor

2629
02:08:22,920 --> 02:08:25,079
of considering any of these

2630
02:08:25,079 --> 02:08:29,599
raises none none of them not

2631
02:08:29,599 --> 02:08:32,840
here no raisers beyond

2632
02:08:32,840 --> 02:08:36,159
that hold on I don't I don't understand

2633
02:08:36,159 --> 02:08:38,119
what why you doing that I'm just trying

2634
02:08:38,119 --> 02:08:40,280
to get some clarification I understand

2635
02:08:40,280 --> 02:08:42,960
what that is so I'm

2636
02:08:42,960 --> 02:08:45,079
trying yeah I just I just hear people

2637
02:08:45,079 --> 02:08:46,840
saying different things so when I'm

2638
02:08:46,840 --> 02:08:49,040
saying I stated it earlier I'm not in

2639
02:08:49,040 --> 02:08:52,239
favor not not with the the deficit

2640
02:08:52,239 --> 02:08:53,960
not not in favor does not reflect the

2641
02:08:53,960 --> 02:08:55,119
number that and that's what we need to

2642
02:08:55,119 --> 02:08:56,400
know numbers in order to hold on a

2643
02:08:56,400 --> 02:08:57,520
second let me finish what I'm saying

2644
02:08:57,520 --> 02:08:59,280
please not in favor doesn't give us a

2645
02:08:59,280 --> 02:09:00,760
number we need numbers in order to make

2646
02:09:00,760 --> 02:09:02,719
informed decisions so what I'm asking

2647
02:09:02,719 --> 02:09:06,239
you is that are you saying that you are

2648
02:09:06,239 --> 02:09:11,920
not in favor of any raises or are you in favor of 3% raises across the

2649
02:09:11,920 --> 02:09:14,360
board or what are you in favor of is

2650
02:09:14,360 --> 02:09:15,639
what I'm saying well we're talking about

2651
02:09:15,639 --> 02:09:16,840
this year right now so you're saying

2652
02:09:16,840 --> 02:09:19,520
you're not in favor of this okay so even

2653
02:09:19,520 --> 02:09:21,040
with the youth programs you're not in

2654
02:09:21,040 --> 02:09:23,960
favor any of that well the the youth

2655
02:09:23,960 --> 02:09:25,880
program we all discussed we're in favor

2656
02:09:25,880 --> 02:09:28,440
of increasing the youth I I don't like

2657
02:09:28,440 --> 02:09:30,719
depending on AR money especially it's a

2658
02:09:30,719 --> 02:09:32,800
blue line now I want to know what it's

2659
02:09:32,800 --> 02:09:34,400
going to be in

2660
02:09:34,400 --> 02:09:37,679
2026 I want it on the line and I'm in

2661
02:09:37,679 --> 02:09:40,800
favor of increasing it on the line yes

2662
02:09:40,800 --> 02:09:43,400
Youth Services yes yep that's what so

2663
02:09:43,400 --> 02:09:45,920
that's but not these additional physici

2664
02:09:45,920 --> 02:09:49,079
races okay I would support

2665
02:09:49,079 --> 02:09:52,520
that yes to the youth and no to these

2666
02:09:52,520 --> 02:09:53,840
other we have

2667
02:09:53,840 --> 02:09:58,440
to just keeping it at the 3% for the

2668
02:09:58,440 --> 02:10:01,960
others saying keep it at 3% for everyone

2669
02:10:01,960 --> 02:10:04,719
or are you saying 3% and then but the

2670
02:10:04,719 --> 02:10:07,400
but certain positions were going to go I

2671
02:10:07,400 --> 02:10:09,520
guess I'm going to have to um compromise

2672
02:10:09,520 --> 02:10:13,079
and I I was interested in the uh Deputy

2673
02:10:13,079 --> 02:10:16,440
Finance but um I I'm happy to compromise

2674
02:10:16,440 --> 02:10:19,480
if I need to so you're so so you're

2675
02:10:19,480 --> 02:10:22,119
saying 3% across the Bo for department

2676
02:10:22,119 --> 02:10:23,520
heads the way that the way that it has

2677
02:10:23,520 --> 02:10:30,880
been yeah these well actually these are already in

2678
02:10:30,880 --> 02:10:33,239
the budget the one that we were handed

2679
02:10:33,239 --> 02:10:35,440
originally is already in the budget I

2680
02:10:35,440 --> 02:10:38,239
believe right the First Column the

2681
02:10:38,239 --> 02:10:40,119
column where says 3% that's in the

2682
02:10:40,119 --> 02:10:43,320
budget oh gotcha right in the proposed

2683
02:10:43,320 --> 02:10:50,679
budget yes in right gotcha gotcha except for the deputy Finance

2684
02:10:50,679 --> 02:10:53,119
right now I get that so then can we look

2685
02:10:53,119 --> 02:10:55,199
at what the numbers would be if we if

2686
02:10:55,199 --> 02:10:57,880
everyone got what we should look at we

2687
02:10:57,880 --> 02:11:00,320
got that so we have that before us

2688
02:11:00,320 --> 02:11:03,310
there's a sheep

2689
02:11:03,320 --> 02:11:14,990
here this she here

2690
02:11:15,000 --> 02:11:17,400
yes I mean some of these are very very

2691
02:11:17,400 --> 02:11:23,270
minor

2692
02:11:23,280 --> 02:11:25,719
you know what I mean you look at the

2693
02:11:25,719 --> 02:11:28,679
difference column some of them are very

2694
02:11:28,679 --> 02:11:32,280
minor so I'd be happy to think about

2695
02:11:32,280 --> 02:11:33,079
those

2696
02:11:33,079 --> 02:11:35,639
too I got to hear from other

2697
02:11:35,639 --> 02:11:39,880
people listen you're telling me so at

2698
02:11:39,880 --> 02:11:41,639
least yeah I'm

2699
02:11:41,639 --> 02:11:45,040
J this is um this piece that we got um

2700
02:11:45,040 --> 02:11:47,280
we didn't get it we got it yes everybody

2701
02:11:47,280 --> 02:11:50,679
should have a copy got two copies one

2702
02:11:50,679 --> 02:11:53,440
with name I ask you not to mention names

2703
02:11:53,440 --> 02:11:57,750
just mention the position this

2704
02:11:57,760 --> 02:12:01,040
is yes looking at one without the

2705
02:12:01,040 --> 02:12:04,360
names I mean I I have to agree with m p

2706
02:12:04,360 --> 02:12:07,320
there are some there are some of here

2707
02:12:07,320 --> 02:12:09,440
$179

2708
02:12:09,440 --> 02:12:11,440
32

2709
02:12:11,440 --> 02:12:15,520
67 those will not make an impact on

2710
02:12:15,520 --> 02:12:20,960
this and we can we can compromise and

2711
02:12:20,960 --> 02:12:23,280
you make a recommendation to the finance

2712
02:12:23,280 --> 02:12:26,000
make a recommendation to the media but

2713
02:12:26,000 --> 02:12:30,239
um you know IAS but you know let's let's

2714
02:12:30,239 --> 02:12:33,559
compromise I mean in terms of the raises

2715
02:12:33,559 --> 02:12:35,679
my position on the recommendation from

2716
02:12:35,679 --> 02:12:39,599
Mr Mr Will Williams I mean if I have to

2717
02:12:39,599 --> 02:12:44,950
compromise I I you know I will suggest

2718
02:12:44,960 --> 02:12:49,440
5% leave the second and third as is get

2719
02:12:49,440 --> 02:12:52,960
a small adjustment

2720
02:12:52,960 --> 02:12:56,840
um leave the the second to last one as

2721
02:12:56,840 --> 02:12:58,840
is as recommended by the finance

2722
02:12:58,840 --> 02:13:02,159
commission to bring that up to par

2723
02:13:02,159 --> 02:13:04,920
100,000 and the youth service let's hold

2724
02:13:04,920 --> 02:13:07,719
that at 150 and we will have that

2725
02:13:07,719 --> 02:13:10,040
Amendment budget amendment before the

2726
02:13:10,040 --> 02:13:12,520
year out to bring that in

2727
02:13:12,520 --> 02:13:15,960
line with a number that we all can

2728
02:13:15,960 --> 02:13:19,280
agreed on and that will be funded by the

2729
02:13:19,280 --> 02:13:21,320
arpa allocation at that point in time we

2730
02:13:21,320 --> 02:13:24,000
take the money back from those

2731
02:13:24,000 --> 02:13:26,960
agencies I don't know bet I can do at

2732
02:13:26,960 --> 02:13:30,320
this point in time can that I mean that

2733
02:13:30,320 --> 02:13:32,440
that's a big compromise there I don't

2734
02:13:32,440 --> 02:13:34,280
think it's a lot of money it's minor

2735
02:13:34,280 --> 02:13:36,599
because it's adjusting for the 15% it's

2736
02:13:36,599 --> 02:13:40,719
10% recommendation we split it in half

2737
02:13:40,719 --> 02:13:42,599
first line leave the second and third

2738
02:13:42,599 --> 02:13:45,360
line as is fourth line

2739
02:13:45,360 --> 02:13:48,119
5% um

2740
02:13:48,119 --> 02:13:50,400
commissioner I'm sticking with Mr Mr

2741
02:13:50,400 --> 02:13:53,040
Ferrari Rec Commendation on that line

2742
02:13:53,040 --> 02:13:54,760
let's hold tight on the other one and

2743
02:13:54,760 --> 02:13:58,079
that's it and sorry the um principal

2744
02:13:58,079 --> 02:14:02,320
plan also 5% on top of the mayor's

2745
02:14:02,320 --> 02:14:04,400
recommendation so let's just be clear

2746
02:14:04,400 --> 02:14:06,400
and make sure we we do the math on the

2747
02:14:06,400 --> 02:14:08,199
principal planner and direct of

2748
02:14:08,199 --> 02:14:13,280
development that that in terms of and

2749
02:14:13,280 --> 02:14:15,840
the um amount that's going to be and um

2750
02:14:15,840 --> 02:14:17,360
and frankly my recommendation would have

2751
02:14:17,360 --> 02:14:19,040
been higher I was I was going more

2752
02:14:19,040 --> 02:14:22,040
towards 8% but no that's that's my

2753
02:14:22,040 --> 02:14:25,239
recommendation that's yours so I I am I

2754
02:14:25,239 --> 02:14:26,679
throw that out

2755
02:14:26,679 --> 02:14:30,760
there and that that's my compromise I

2756
02:14:30,760 --> 02:14:33,040
think you know for the sake of moving

2757
02:14:33,040 --> 02:14:35,480
forward we need that out for us or was

2758
02:14:35,480 --> 02:14:36,599
that what he's saying so I can look at

2759
02:14:36,599 --> 02:14:38,520
it and reference it so I just like to

2760
02:14:38,520 --> 02:14:40,040
see what that would look like on paper

2761
02:14:40,040 --> 02:14:42,079
so I reference it better could we do

2762
02:14:42,079 --> 02:14:44,119
that well we don't have a

2763
02:14:44,119 --> 02:14:47,599
lot percentages I'll do it but everyone

2764
02:14:47,599 --> 02:14:50,000
has different IDE What percentages to be

2765
02:14:50,000 --> 02:14:53,960
it's going to be yeah M okay I don't so

2766
02:14:53,960 --> 02:14:56,400
I was hearing some level of agreeance

2767
02:14:56,400 --> 02:14:59,280
from um council members so I was just

2768
02:14:59,280 --> 02:15:00,880
trying to see if

2769
02:15:00,880 --> 02:15:04,320
that's a starting point at least but

2770
02:15:04,320 --> 02:15:08,119
it's fine if not then okay we have to go

2771
02:15:08,119 --> 02:15:18,950
one line by line

2772
02:15:18,960 --> 02:15:21,920
I just for the sake of PL this is what

2773
02:15:21,920 --> 02:15:23,230
my my suggestion

2774
02:15:23,230 --> 02:15:24,679
[Music]

2775
02:15:24,679 --> 02:15:28,199
is 5% on those lines that I highlighted

2776
02:15:28,199 --> 02:15:29,880
onto the

2777
02:15:29,880 --> 02:15:33,679
right no just pass it's fine and you

2778
02:15:33,679 --> 02:15:36,400
know if you have any suggestion you know

2779
02:15:36,400 --> 02:15:38,159
say out

2780
02:15:38,159 --> 02:15:40,679
let's let's discuss it and let's move

2781
02:15:40,679 --> 02:15:42,920
for if you can't have an agreement let's

2782
02:15:42,920 --> 02:15:45,599
move to the next item we're not we're

2783
02:15:45,599 --> 02:16:01,229
not going to

2784
02:16:01,239 --> 02:16:05,950
can I take that thank

2785
02:16:05,960 --> 02:16:18,270
you it's so confusing about this

2786
02:16:18,280 --> 02:16:59,910
paper excuse me

2787
02:16:59,920 --> 02:17:01,599
well based on these recommendations then

2788
02:17:01,599 --> 02:17:02,960
we

2789
02:17:02,960 --> 02:17:07,399
have one position getting a 25%

2790
02:17:07,399 --> 02:17:10,359
increase and other positions

2791
02:17:10,359 --> 02:17:12,920
getting 5%

2792
02:17:12,920 --> 02:17:14,719
increase but that's the fact that's

2793
02:17:14,719 --> 02:17:18,639
recommendation to finance sh sure sure

2794
02:17:18,639 --> 02:17:22,840
no with his recommendation to bring

2795
02:17:22,840 --> 02:17:25,280
so um I just like to offer that so my

2796
02:17:25,280 --> 02:17:29,920
recommendation is more like eight and because I know that five is is the

2797
02:17:29,920 --> 02:17:31,760
recommendation on the table five is half

2798
02:17:31,760 --> 02:17:33,800
of the already lower so I was starting

2799
02:17:33,800 --> 02:17:36,200
at what they ask was and taking that in

2800
02:17:36,200 --> 02:17:40,160
half and that becomes 7.5 or8 as opposed

2801
02:17:40,160 --> 02:17:42,160
to taking we we already reduced and

2802
02:17:42,160 --> 02:17:43,920
dividing that in half so that's how I

2803
02:17:43,920 --> 02:17:54,589
came up with the number eight

2804
02:17:54,599 --> 02:17:57,080
John um these percentages that you've

2805
02:17:57,080 --> 02:17:58,399
put in this

2806
02:17:58,399 --> 02:18:01,679
column is that is this with that would

2807
02:18:01,679 --> 02:18:05,200
align with um 25 counil changes or not

2808
02:18:05,200 --> 02:18:08,439
it will be the 3% plus the five

2809
02:18:08,439 --> 02:18:09,500
3%

2810
02:18:09,500 --> 02:18:10,760
[Music]

2811
02:18:10,760 --> 02:18:13,040
gotcha just want to point out to I don't

2812
02:18:13,040 --> 02:18:15,479
know if it makes any difference but you

2813
02:18:15,479 --> 02:18:18,359
have the position Char Who overseas the

2814
02:18:18,359 --> 02:18:21,479
principal planner and so you

2815
02:18:21,479 --> 02:18:29,270
oh suggested it's very close what I'm

2816
02:18:29,280 --> 02:18:31,559
saying yeah the director would have to

2817
02:18:31,559 --> 02:18:33,160
be higher than

2818
02:18:33,160 --> 02:18:35,200
the mle

2819
02:18:35,200 --> 02:18:37,920
plan sorry that's what I'm saying if we

2820
02:18:37,920 --> 02:18:40,000
started at 15 and we went to eight which

2821
02:18:40,000 --> 02:18:42,439
is like half 15 and then we started at

2822
02:18:42,439 --> 02:18:45,319
10 we went to five for that princial

2823
02:18:45,319 --> 02:18:46,679
planning position that's half of that

2824
02:18:46,679 --> 02:18:49,160
but that still keeps them below I I need

2825
02:18:49,160 --> 02:18:51,639
to see the salaries I that's what you're

2826
02:18:51,639 --> 02:18:53,679
saying too I need to see the act the

2827
02:18:53,679 --> 02:18:55,280
actual

2828
02:18:55,280 --> 02:18:59,439
numbers go from 10% still you're giving

2829
02:18:59,439 --> 02:19:01,160
the same percentage is still going to be

2830
02:19:01,160 --> 02:19:04,519
very close unless you're going to give

2831
02:19:04,519 --> 02:19:13,830
the director 8%

2832
02:19:13,840 --> 02:19:16,519
still Mr will you're staying with your

2833
02:19:16,519 --> 02:19:19,200
recommendation is there any

2834
02:19:19,200 --> 02:19:23,040
adjustment I will just to the 8% if you

2835
02:19:23,040 --> 02:19:25,280
like are you hard at your

2836
02:19:25,280 --> 02:19:26,880
recommendations hard I'm trying to you

2837
02:19:26,880 --> 02:19:28,240
know compromise and I would say I

2838
02:19:28,240 --> 02:19:33,150
compromise Miss pfi's

2839
02:19:33,160 --> 02:19:37,030
recommendation anybody

2840
02:19:37,040 --> 02:19:43,110
else the money

2841
02:19:43,120 --> 02:19:48,120
to you do 8% on all of these no no no

2842
02:19:48,120 --> 02:19:50,720
not all just no I mean these these these

2843
02:19:50,720 --> 02:19:53,319
that are on Mr Williams sheets yes sheet

2844
02:19:53,319 --> 02:19:58,110
the one that currently says 10 would be

2845
02:19:58,120 --> 02:20:05,070
eight well there's two that yeah be

2846
02:20:05,080 --> 02:20:07,399
two and stay with

2847
02:20:07,399 --> 02:20:15,309
25%

2848
02:20:15,319 --> 02:20:21,040
yes I mean I know this sounds crazy but we're not suggesting 8% for the two

2849
02:20:21,040 --> 02:20:23,319
that are one that's one that's 4.01% and

2850
02:20:23,319 --> 02:20:24,800
one we're only talking about the ones

2851
02:20:24,800 --> 02:20:26,520
that currently at 10 to put them in

2852
02:20:26,520 --> 02:20:28,080
eight the other ones I think the state

2853
02:20:28,080 --> 02:20:29,960
are just because of the the amount the

2854
02:20:29,960 --> 02:20:32,399
variance is so low that we can just you

2855
02:20:32,399 --> 02:20:35,359
know make a recommendation to finance to

2856
02:20:35,359 --> 02:20:37,880
say you know what our recommendation is

2857
02:20:37,880 --> 02:20:40,840
to just Mr Williams has recommendation

2858
02:20:40,840 --> 02:20:45,479
here so have those just added so it be 8

2859
02:20:45,479 --> 02:20:50,640
4.01 3.26 8 25% and then youth programs

2860
02:20:50,640 --> 02:20:53,520
you've already decided be

2861
02:20:53,520 --> 02:20:59,910
out I would compromise there me

2862
02:20:59,920 --> 02:21:02,280
to I hear you

2863
02:21:02,280 --> 02:21:06,120
yeah I'm find that compromise I we got

2864
02:21:06,120 --> 02:21:07,359
to move somewhere we got to send a

2865
02:21:07,359 --> 02:21:09,520
recommendation over and the May is going

2866
02:21:09,520 --> 02:21:11,920
to come back to us you know he has all

2867
02:21:11,920 --> 02:21:13,280
right to come back to us and you know

2868
02:21:13,280 --> 02:21:16,160
with his um feedback so you're you're

2869
02:21:16,160 --> 02:21:18,200
saying no no yeah I'm not I'm not I

2870
02:21:18,200 --> 02:21:20,359
can't get there I can't quite get there

2871
02:21:20,359 --> 02:21:22,120
with uh recommendation that's on the

2872
02:21:22,120 --> 02:21:24,040
table right now I'm going to go back to

2873
02:21:24,040 --> 02:21:27,590
3%

2874
02:21:27,600 --> 02:21:30,640
um supp

2875
02:21:30,640 --> 02:21:34,319
Bo which which one you

2876
02:21:34,319 --> 02:21:38,200
um you wanted to stay um at the

2877
02:21:38,200 --> 02:21:42,359
10% well I guess um

2878
02:21:42,359 --> 02:21:45,520
my my larger issue here is is really the

2879
02:21:45,520 --> 02:21:48,359
uh the youth program increase being out

2880
02:21:48,359 --> 02:21:50,359
and I understand that you know that that

2881
02:21:50,359 --> 02:21:52,040
there talks around you know our

2882
02:21:52,040 --> 02:21:56,240
perunding for that um but I'm just not

2883
02:21:56,240 --> 02:21:59,200
there it is

2884
02:21:59,200 --> 02:22:02,560
okay I think we all want to do the youth

2885
02:22:02,560 --> 02:22:06,880
one you know I mean want to in this

2886
02:22:06,880 --> 02:22:08,920
respectfully you know I I think we all

2887
02:22:08,920 --> 02:22:12,720
do so want that but so M Farley where

2888
02:22:12,720 --> 02:22:15,120
would you recommend we take this 100,000

2889
02:22:15,120 --> 02:22:17,080
from so because you're because we're

2890
02:22:17,080 --> 02:22:18,359
talking

2891
02:22:18,359 --> 02:22:21,600
about two different things here and I

2892
02:22:21,600 --> 02:22:24,120
don't want to frame it as it's like so

2893
02:22:24,120 --> 02:22:26,840
it's it's like we're talking about staff

2894
02:22:26,840 --> 02:22:30,160
increases and we're talking about um

2895
02:22:30,160 --> 02:22:32,240
youth programs and we're saying that

2896
02:22:32,240 --> 02:22:33,800
they will

2897
02:22:33,800 --> 02:22:36,840
essentially essentially close to zero

2898
02:22:36,840 --> 02:22:39,000
each other out right because what you're

2899
02:22:39,000 --> 02:22:41,280
saying is that with the youth program

2900
02:22:41,280 --> 02:22:43,359
out then that leaves the money in the

2901
02:22:43,359 --> 02:22:45,840
exist and what's being proposed here or

2902
02:22:45,840 --> 02:22:48,520
any variation of that to

2903
02:22:48,520 --> 02:22:51,120
fund the positions

2904
02:22:51,120 --> 02:22:53,720
this propos correct including including

2905
02:22:53,720 --> 02:22:56,800
the youth position at including that not

2906
02:22:56,800 --> 02:23:02,240
100 1250 but including right no yeah no no I understand I understand that

2907
02:23:02,240 --> 02:23:04,600
yeah right so we're talking so again so

2908
02:23:04,600 --> 02:23:06,840
I would say we're talking about kind

2909
02:23:06,840 --> 02:23:10,000
of two different things and you know I I

2910
02:23:10,000 --> 02:23:15,960
would be okay with uh compromising to

2911
02:23:15,960 --> 02:23:20,000
um the the percentages that are on the

2912
02:23:20,000 --> 02:23:22,399
table now now but I would also say that

2913
02:23:22,399 --> 02:23:24,160
we need to leave that $100,000 in there

2914
02:23:24,160 --> 02:23:26,319
for for the youth programs okay my

2915
02:23:26,319 --> 02:23:27,960
position where would you like us to

2916
02:23:27,960 --> 02:23:29,240
suggest to take that all from where are

2917
02:23:29,240 --> 02:23:30,800
you going to get the money for where are

2918
02:23:30,800 --> 02:23:33,080
we taking the money from to increase

2919
02:23:33,080 --> 02:23:36,479
salaries where are we getting that

2920
02:23:36,479 --> 02:23:40,359
from fund balance the fund balance then

2921
02:23:40,359 --> 02:23:41,640
same

2922
02:23:41,640 --> 02:23:45,399
place that's some of them right uh some

2923
02:23:45,399 --> 02:23:48,319
are some areund position some okay well

2924
02:23:48,319 --> 02:23:50,960
it's runed position did you design

2925
02:23:50,960 --> 02:23:52,720
us

2926
02:23:52,720 --> 02:23:57,230
which

2927
02:23:57,240 --> 02:24:00,720
the okay so even well I guess my point

2928
02:24:00,720 --> 02:24:03,000
would be that it' be this you know same

2929
02:24:03,000 --> 02:24:05,000
place where we're finding um where we

2930
02:24:05,000 --> 02:24:08,720
would find money for these increases are

2931
02:24:08,720 --> 02:24:10,120
well that's a good

2932
02:24:10,120 --> 02:24:13,520
point well bear in mind it's 100,000 or

2933
02:24:13,520 --> 02:24:16,880
it says

2934
02:24:16,880 --> 02:24:19,720
5,000 big difference so the salary ra

2935
02:24:19,720 --> 02:24:21,520
I'm saying

2936
02:24:21,520 --> 02:24:23,600
5,000 8,000 that we're talking about

2937
02:24:23,600 --> 02:24:26,120
there it's not a big D and versus

2938
02:24:26,120 --> 02:24:29,960
100,000 from the general um fun just

2939
02:24:29,960 --> 02:24:32,399
want to highlight that so the increase

2940
02:24:32,399 --> 02:24:35,240
might look it's the percentage might

2941
02:24:35,240 --> 02:24:38,160
saying eight when you calculate that to

2942
02:24:38,160 --> 02:24:40,680
add that it's it's not it's not a big

2943
02:24:40,680 --> 02:24:43,720
number of that's true that's true yes

2944
02:24:43,720 --> 02:24:45,680
okay no that's true yeah yeah help help

2945
02:24:45,680 --> 02:24:46,840
me get there so you're saying that

2946
02:24:46,840 --> 02:24:48,319
you're saying

2947
02:24:48,319 --> 02:24:51,720
8% the wiggle room is easier in terms of

2948
02:24:51,720 --> 02:24:54,160
the offering budget sure I'm just

2949
02:24:54,160 --> 02:24:56,600
talking about the just just the numbers

2950
02:24:56,600 --> 02:24:57,960
John you're saying

2951
02:24:57,960 --> 02:25:00,399
that the proposed

2952
02:25:00,399 --> 02:25:03,800
increases on the

2953
02:25:03,800 --> 02:25:07,000
sheet are is equal up to how much money

2954
02:25:07,000 --> 02:25:08,200
what you're

2955
02:25:08,200 --> 02:25:10,840
saying we'd have to recalculate have to

2956
02:25:10,840 --> 02:25:14,160
recate but even if we just if we just no

2957
02:25:14,160 --> 02:25:16,640
I'm just you can I'm just using

2958
02:25:16,640 --> 02:25:18,880
comparison sure I'm not not that's what

2959
02:25:18,880 --> 02:25:21,479
I'm trying to do so say simply put the

2960
02:25:21,479 --> 02:25:24,240
original ask for the Deputy Commissioner

2961
02:25:24,240 --> 02:25:27,880
finance that reduction alone would cover

2962
02:25:27,880 --> 02:25:29,800
yes all of the

2963
02:25:29,800 --> 02:25:32,240
recommendations plus and not saying

2964
02:25:32,240 --> 02:25:34,399
that's going to be perfectly but to Mr M

2965
02:25:34,399 --> 02:25:36,600
point the amount that we'd have to

2966
02:25:36,600 --> 02:25:39,399
remove from the fund Downs would be

2967
02:25:39,399 --> 02:25:43,910
margin at best

2968
02:25:43,920 --> 02:25:46,279
exactly can I point out one other thing

2969
02:25:46,279 --> 02:25:49,560
go ahead the I don't know if this is

2970
02:25:49,560 --> 02:25:52,279
really C what we wanted we wanted so it

2971
02:25:52,279 --> 02:25:53,720
looks like to me like you've included

2972
02:25:53,720 --> 02:26:00,950
the mayor's 3% and then 10% on top of

2973
02:26:00,960 --> 02:26:05,680
that which is this 10% is what

2974
02:26:05,680 --> 02:26:09,359
the suggested car so that's from the

2975
02:26:09,359 --> 02:26:12,960
adopted 2024 salary so you're you did

2976
02:26:12,960 --> 02:26:15,160
10% from here

2977
02:26:15,160 --> 02:26:19,680
correct so you did 10% on a 24 correct

2978
02:26:19,680 --> 02:26:21,000
oh

2979
02:26:21,000 --> 02:26:25,439
it's not 10% of the that be 13% yeah

2980
02:26:25,439 --> 02:26:30,670
right right and that is more or

2981
02:26:30,680 --> 02:26:34,920
less all right we got we got to move

2982
02:26:34,920 --> 02:26:38,840
on all right so we have numbers I ask

2983
02:26:38,840 --> 02:26:41,590
that you

2984
02:26:41,600 --> 02:26:46,240
know party is 50 you would like to see

2985
02:26:46,240 --> 02:26:49,000
the 250 and the money coming out of the

2986
02:26:49,000 --> 02:26:51,439
fund balance well I'm and I think five

2987
02:26:51,439 --> 02:26:53,279
of us are saying that they're good with

2988
02:26:53,279 --> 02:26:57,080
um with 8% for the first line 8% for the

2989
02:26:57,080 --> 02:27:00,960
um fourth line the second to last line

2990
02:27:00,960 --> 02:27:04,680
remain the same and the um reduce the

2991
02:27:04,680 --> 02:27:06,680
use service to 150 until we can

2992
02:27:06,680 --> 02:27:09,560
reallocate um our funding in the next

2993
02:27:09,560 --> 02:27:13,600
several of weeks and 5% the plan and 5%

2994
02:27:13,600 --> 02:27:17,319
for the principal plan I'm going to five

2995
02:27:17,319 --> 02:27:19,600
of us I think compromise on that I will

2996
02:27:19,600 --> 02:27:23,040
leave that for um discussion I will ask

2997
02:27:23,040 --> 02:27:28,760
the um Deputy um Finance commissioner to

2998
02:27:28,760 --> 02:27:31,680
work those numbers for us for tonight

2999
02:27:31,680 --> 02:27:33,800
not for tonight no absolutely no I will

3000
02:27:33,800 --> 02:27:36,680
do that to you um if you you have you

3001
02:27:36,680 --> 02:27:38,040
have the notes I

3002
02:27:38,040 --> 02:27:41,760
have Dam well let's finish off this

3003
02:27:41,760 --> 02:27:43,920
because I but those are the numbers I

3004
02:27:43,920 --> 02:27:45,840
have here let's turn to this page here

3005
02:27:45,840 --> 02:27:47,240
because this was a for recommendation

3006
02:27:47,240 --> 02:27:49,720
let's address this and yes if we we can

3007
02:27:49,720 --> 02:27:52,279
wait and and have update that and come

3008
02:27:52,279 --> 02:27:56,520
back to us oh oh we're back here it's

3009
02:27:56,520 --> 02:28:00,389
multiple pages on this this one

3010
02:28:00,399 --> 02:28:04,120
here a previous packet say 2025 Bud

3011
02:28:04,120 --> 02:28:06,800
changes

3012
02:28:06,800 --> 02:28:08,920
yes I'm going to go to each one of them

3013
02:28:08,920 --> 02:28:10,359
and ask what your position is and let's

3014
02:28:10,359 --> 02:28:17,750
move

3015
02:28:17,760 --> 02:28:21,080
forward so

3016
02:28:21,080 --> 02:28:22,640
but we only have to talk about the ones

3017
02:28:22,640 --> 02:28:24,200
that we didn't just talk about on this

3018
02:28:24,200 --> 02:28:26,160
sheet no we don't we don't have no it's

3019
02:28:26,160 --> 02:28:27,800
not on here almost everything no none of

3020
02:28:27,800 --> 02:28:32,740
these are on the she this is

3021
02:28:32,750 --> 02:28:43,870
[Music]

3022
02:28:43,880 --> 02:28:46,560
separate yes I thought we already I

3023
02:28:46,560 --> 02:28:47,960
thought we did this and everybody agreed

3024
02:28:47,960 --> 02:28:49,120
no we' been through but I don't think

3025
02:28:49,120 --> 02:28:51,000
everybody anybody had any agreement to

3026
02:28:51,000 --> 02:28:54,359
move forward it was just a proposal okay

3027
02:28:54,359 --> 02:28:55,800
it wasn't like what we what we're doing

3028
02:28:55,800 --> 02:28:58,479
here right now to compromise them to say

3029
02:28:58,479 --> 02:29:01,680
or we have XYZ and go with it okay so

3030
02:29:01,680 --> 02:29:03,439
let's address the first

3031
02:29:03,439 --> 02:29:08,120
one um 1410 100 City Clark salary that's

3032
02:29:08,120 --> 02:29:10,960
a movement from the 5,000 from the

3033
02:29:10,960 --> 02:29:13,520
register to the city

3034
02:29:13,520 --> 02:29:17,359
clerk and adjusting the S to $3,000 that

3035
02:29:17,359 --> 02:29:19,600
has been there for the S been there for

3036
02:29:19,600 --> 02:29:23,870
several years

3037
02:29:23,880 --> 02:29:27,240
instead of doing what's on this

3038
02:29:27,240 --> 02:29:30,240
sheet city is a different title yeah but

3039
02:29:30,240 --> 02:29:32,520
it's a different she's a register in

3040
02:29:32,520 --> 02:29:34,160
addition that's that's that's that's a

3041
02:29:34,160 --> 02:29:37,120
salary adjustment this is a this is a

3042
02:29:37,120 --> 02:29:39,240
register what we call the money that is

3043
02:29:39,240 --> 02:29:41,920
set aside for the register to move that

3044
02:29:41,920 --> 02:29:43,600
from the STP in it doesn't belong to

3045
02:29:43,600 --> 02:29:46,640
typen it belongs to that salary L separ

3046
02:29:46,640 --> 02:29:48,160
Sal what we're doing is reducing the

3047
02:29:48,160 --> 02:29:50,640
deputy Clerk's salary

3048
02:29:50,640 --> 02:29:56,359
there is Deputy register I'm sorry reg

3049
02:29:56,359 --> 02:29:58,920
is there's not then I'm thinking of the

3050
02:29:58,920 --> 02:30:01,880
Deputy clerk right we Havey clerk okay

3051
02:30:01,880 --> 02:30:03,120
Deputy

3052
02:30:03,120 --> 02:30:08,070
regist I

3053
02:30:08,080 --> 02:30:12,240
see are there any objection to this so

3054
02:30:12,240 --> 02:30:15,800
on this basically that that salary would

3055
02:30:15,800 --> 02:30:18,040
be

3056
02:30:18,040 --> 02:30:21,980
um 8889 2 is that what this comes out to

3057
02:30:21,980 --> 02:30:24,880
[Music]

3058
02:30:24,880 --> 02:30:28,439
885 bej because if you're open 8% City

3059
02:30:28,439 --> 02:30:31,120
Park be little

3060
02:30:31,120 --> 02:30:34,240
more2 be a small adjustment in

3061
02:30:34,240 --> 02:30:36,800
this so I would stick with what's on the

3062
02:30:36,800 --> 02:30:41,080
sheet not on the sheet for which one

3063
02:30:41,080 --> 02:30:43,600
we're on the first one the city

3064
02:30:43,600 --> 02:30:47,720
clerk I think it's two different

3065
02:30:47,720 --> 02:30:49,560
titles I'm looking at something that

3066
02:30:49,560 --> 02:30:54,120
says cler here but 1410 100 so we have

3067
02:30:54,120 --> 02:31:01,439
to choose between either 88 well it's going to be more than 88892

3068
02:31:01,439 --> 02:31:04,439
right so I don't know what 8% I don't

3069
02:31:04,439 --> 02:31:06,520
know what 8% is

3070
02:31:06,520 --> 02:31:08,920
not being factored in this is just the

3071
02:31:08,920 --> 02:31:11,520
stien this is not a salary

3072
02:31:11,520 --> 02:31:15,279
adjustment this is a stien for part be

3073
02:31:15,279 --> 02:31:17,960
in that role I think I I provide that

3074
02:31:17,960 --> 02:31:22,590
Miss Michael okay

3075
02:31:22,600 --> 02:31:24,520
it's more of an allowance it's an

3076
02:31:24,520 --> 02:31:28,550
allowance to be in that

3077
02:31:28,560 --> 02:31:30,720
capacity I think that was explained in

3078
02:31:30,720 --> 02:31:33,720
the document that was provided to us so

3079
02:31:33,720 --> 02:31:35,120
this should not be considered as a

3080
02:31:35,120 --> 02:31:37,200
salary it's in the salary line but not

3081
02:31:37,200 --> 02:31:38,680
it's

3082
02:31:38,680 --> 02:31:42,469
salary is that correct

3083
02:31:42,479 --> 02:31:46,200
dere it it's it's it's a what I would

3084
02:31:46,200 --> 02:31:50,750
say a an allowance

3085
02:31:50,760 --> 02:31:52,800
yeah

3086
02:31:52,800 --> 02:31:56,560
reg I guess it's a better

3087
02:31:56,560 --> 02:32:00,319
terms additional amount that will be

3088
02:32:00,319 --> 02:32:04,359
reing yes it's away from the salary and

3089
02:32:04,359 --> 02:32:07,080
we already approved that in the other

3090
02:32:07,080 --> 02:32:10,040
yes so we we're saying that we we're

3091
02:32:10,040 --> 02:32:12,240
okay to proceive the

3092
02:32:12,240 --> 02:32:14,640
8% salary inrease and then there's

3093
02:32:14,640 --> 02:32:17,000
moving this allowance out from stien

3094
02:32:17,000 --> 02:32:19,080
which it didn't belongs to and to

3095
02:32:19,080 --> 02:32:25,630
account for s correctly as

3096
02:32:25,640 --> 02:32:28,439
$3,000 it is not as typend it just makes

3097
02:32:28,439 --> 02:32:29,640
it more

3098
02:32:29,640 --> 02:32:33,399
transparent go ahead please but it's a different line it's still part of

3099
02:32:33,399 --> 02:32:35,640
the salary is that Derek rate what we

3100
02:32:35,640 --> 02:32:38,120
decided on so registar is a different

3101
02:32:38,120 --> 02:32:39,800
title than a

3102
02:32:39,800 --> 02:32:44,840
clerk issue with past years it

3103
02:32:44,840 --> 02:32:47,560
was in the salary it was out of the

3104
02:32:47,560 --> 02:32:51,319
salary I think this year put in the city

3105
02:32:51,319 --> 02:32:53,760
CLK salary

3106
02:32:53,760 --> 02:32:58,269
line from what the commissioner has put

3107
02:32:58,279 --> 02:33:00,040
together but I'm going to ask this

3108
02:33:00,040 --> 02:33:03,600
question yeah why why is it why is the

3109
02:33:03,600 --> 02:33:05,640
movement and not keep it in the same

3110
02:33:05,640 --> 02:33:06,920
line and hire

3111
02:33:06,920 --> 02:33:09,439
someone okay so the movement is because

3112
02:33:09,439 --> 02:33:12,040
since I started in 2019 I trained

3113
02:33:12,040 --> 02:33:16,240
several people in that position and I've

3114
02:33:16,240 --> 02:33:19,200
been carrying the duties myself on it

3115
02:33:19,200 --> 02:33:20,880
has been

3116
02:33:20,880 --> 02:33:24,080
all the register our duties I have not

3117
02:33:24,080 --> 02:33:27,560
been able to fully depend on the w and

3118
02:33:27,560 --> 02:33:29,920
we have a new Deputy

3119
02:33:29,920 --> 02:33:32,600
again and you're not going to so you're

3120
02:33:32,600 --> 02:33:34,319
going to be taking that you're going to

3121
02:33:34,319 --> 02:33:36,640
continue to take that responsibility

3122
02:33:36,640 --> 02:33:40,550
that is

3123
02:33:40,560 --> 02:33:44,040
correct including the weekend calls the

3124
02:33:44,040 --> 02:33:46,560
evening calls

3125
02:33:46,560 --> 02:33:48,600
everything and the weekends on evening

3126
02:33:48,600 --> 02:33:50,319
call what what it has to do with this

3127
02:33:50,319 --> 02:33:53,200
position that has to do with our Funeral

3128
02:33:53,200 --> 02:33:56,550
Directors

3129
02:33:56,560 --> 02:33:59,080
okay and just to be clear you take them

3130
02:33:59,080 --> 02:34:01,120
even if you're not here if I'm across

3131
02:34:01,120 --> 02:34:03,240
the other side of the globe I take those

3132
02:34:03,240 --> 02:34:08,600
CS I those is a must we can

3133
02:34:08,600 --> 02:34:12,399
ask and and I I will say from from that

3134
02:34:12,399 --> 02:34:15,600
position they need to be available 24

3135
02:34:15,600 --> 02:34:19,040
hours a day 365 days a year oh yes okay

3136
02:34:19,040 --> 02:34:22,000
yes I got you so I I just I thought

3137
02:34:22,000 --> 02:34:23,520
there was just a different

3138
02:34:23,520 --> 02:34:25,640
placement instead of putting in the city

3139
02:34:25,640 --> 02:34:26,800
clerks I thought there was going to be a

3140
02:34:26,800 --> 02:34:29,520
seied regist but I I don't have an issue

3141
02:34:29,520 --> 02:34:32,200
yeah so we that and that's why I asked

3142
02:34:32,200 --> 02:34:33,880
for the clarification because this this

3143
02:34:33,880 --> 02:34:35,680
line we have discussed it last year we

3144
02:34:35,680 --> 02:34:37,359
have discussed with the year before and

3145
02:34:37,359 --> 02:34:40,279
it seems to be um every year discussion

3146
02:34:40,279 --> 02:34:42,080
and that's why I ask for documentation

3147
02:34:42,080 --> 02:34:44,800
to be shared to us so they can better

3148
02:34:44,800 --> 02:34:46,000
help

3149
02:34:46,000 --> 02:34:48,399
us I'm going to ask everybody what is

3150
02:34:48,399 --> 02:34:52,080
your position on this for

3151
02:34:52,080 --> 02:34:54,120
it

3152
02:34:54,120 --> 02:34:57,240
yes anybody have any objection on

3153
02:34:57,240 --> 02:35:00,240
this I'm just going to mark all on this

3154
02:35:00,240 --> 02:35:02,479
the first two next one let's move to

3155
02:35:02,479 --> 02:35:05,760
senior Senior Center

3156
02:35:05,760 --> 02:35:08,160
Program tou

3157
02:35:08,160 --> 02:35:11,040
this I do have a question I do have a

3158
02:35:11,040 --> 02:35:13,040
question about this it started out there

3159
02:35:13,040 --> 02:35:14,680
were three how many senior programs are

3160
02:35:14,680 --> 02:35:17,359
there currently there's there's um two

3161
02:35:17,359 --> 02:35:19,680
Monday well there's Monday Tuesday

3162
02:35:19,680 --> 02:35:21,640
Wednesday Thursday and Friday oh but

3163
02:35:21,640 --> 02:35:25,040
this is just locations right there's a

3164
02:35:25,040 --> 02:35:27,800
Friday and Wednesday Mondays Mondays and

3165
02:35:27,800 --> 02:35:32,040
Fridays the middle one didn't um pan out

3166
02:35:32,040 --> 02:35:33,319
we we've been a couple different places

3167
02:35:33,319 --> 02:35:35,319
we had some different attendance issues

3168
02:35:35,319 --> 02:35:36,800
and we've been to different places

3169
02:35:36,800 --> 02:35:38,760
Tuesday and Thursday is

3170
02:35:38,760 --> 02:35:42,200
fine so I guess my question is this if

3171
02:35:42,200 --> 02:35:44,279
we were funding three then then we were

3172
02:35:44,279 --> 02:35:47,840
funding three at $20,000 each yes yeah

3173
02:35:47,840 --> 02:35:51,120
that's now we're funding two well well

3174
02:35:51,120 --> 02:35:53,359
this is also includes um money that we

3175
02:35:53,359 --> 02:35:55,680
need to um put towards the program

3176
02:35:55,680 --> 02:35:57,840
that's on Tuesdays and Thursdays because

3177
02:35:57,840 --> 02:35:59,439
they get some money from

3178
02:35:59,439 --> 02:36:01,800
cdbg um but it doesn't cover the cost of

3179
02:36:01,800 --> 02:36:04,399
their program it does they have it's my

3180
02:36:04,399 --> 02:36:05,880
understanding that they still have money

3181
02:36:05,880 --> 02:36:08,279
um money there left over in that cdbg to

3182
02:36:08,279 --> 02:36:10,720
cover the C Center the high Hall I to

3183
02:36:10,720 --> 02:36:12,520
take a

3184
02:36:12,520 --> 02:36:15,720
look don't

3185
02:36:15,720 --> 02:36:20,080
number please I originally it was 45

3186
02:36:20,080 --> 02:36:23,319
D um for for the entire program right

3187
02:36:23,319 --> 02:36:25,479
for for our program not our program

3188
02:36:25,479 --> 02:36:29,319
senior program um and then I thought

3189
02:36:29,319 --> 02:36:31,319
what we got from Catholic Charities that

3190
02:36:31,319 --> 02:36:33,520
for a budget in fact Miss Patrick had

3191
02:36:33,520 --> 02:36:35,040
asked them to come speak to the council

3192
02:36:35,040 --> 02:36:38,439
but they never did but it's up it's just

3193
02:36:38,439 --> 02:36:41,760
they need the $60,000 just for

3194
02:36:41,760 --> 02:36:45,040
to but I didn't know anything

3195
02:36:45,040 --> 02:36:47,920
about I have to I think that's that's a

3196
02:36:47,920 --> 02:36:49,680
lot of ask for the two program because I

3197
02:36:49,680 --> 02:36:51,560
know over the years not a lot of not a

3198
02:36:51,560 --> 02:36:53,960
lot of uh activities happening I

3199
02:36:53,960 --> 02:36:56,720
actually I would be okay actually with

3200
02:36:56,720 --> 02:37:00,240
um if that has to be reduced 40 on yeah

3201
02:37:00,240 --> 02:37:01,600
well at least

3202
02:37:01,600 --> 02:37:05,880
the kind of re configure with them right

3203
02:37:05,880 --> 02:37:07,040
so but I don't want to hurt the

3204
02:37:07,040 --> 02:37:13,160
Hibernian one because that one's very were we giving some of this to them

3205
02:37:13,160 --> 02:37:15,560
it's highb burning Hall has been funded

3206
02:37:15,560 --> 02:37:17,760
by cdbg for from the beginning they have

3207
02:37:17,760 --> 02:37:20,319
and they always have funding there

3208
02:37:20,319 --> 02:37:23,279
always funding I believe that that it's

3209
02:37:23,279 --> 02:37:25,240
about $112,000 that would need to come

3210
02:37:25,240 --> 02:37:28,960
out of this funding to make them

3211
02:37:28,960 --> 02:37:32,920
hold when last year we try to add

3212
02:37:32,920 --> 02:37:39,399
this for period period um zero for spent

3213
02:37:39,399 --> 02:37:42,040
for a

3214
02:37:42,040 --> 02:37:45,439
19894 z yes so let

3215
02:37:45,439 --> 02:37:48,080
me this program has not

3216
02:37:48,080 --> 02:37:50,760
been and had been providing a lot of

3217
02:37:50,760 --> 02:37:53,720
service to the seniors for this feeding

3218
02:37:53,720 --> 02:37:56,160
program and if we are to fund it we need

3219
02:37:56,160 --> 02:37:58,640
to step up all of us and to kind of like

3220
02:37:58,640 --> 02:38:01,920
what help do they need to to to improve

3221
02:38:01,920 --> 02:38:02,640
the

3222
02:38:02,640 --> 02:38:04,960
service to make to make people aware

3223
02:38:04,960 --> 02:38:06,840
that the service is there and to utilize

3224
02:38:06,840 --> 02:38:09,160
it right now it's not being utilized to

3225
02:38:09,160 --> 02:38:11,880
the capacity and I have witnessed it so

3226
02:38:11,880 --> 02:38:15,160
I'm talking for a s so I don't have a

3227
02:38:15,160 --> 02:38:16,880
problem funding it continue to fund it

3228
02:38:16,880 --> 02:38:20,000
but how do we improve it it is not we

3229
02:38:20,000 --> 02:38:21,920
need to we need to improve it we need to

3230
02:38:21,920 --> 02:38:23,760
improve attendance the best senior

3231
02:38:23,760 --> 02:38:27,640
service we have right now is h i I agree

3232
02:38:27,640 --> 02:38:29,560
and we all get we all have witness and

3233
02:38:29,560 --> 02:38:31,760
disae absolutely but we wanted in in

3234
02:38:31,760 --> 02:38:33,880
different neighborhoods yes and we

3235
02:38:33,880 --> 02:38:36,720
wanted it five days a week no absolutely

3236
02:38:36,720 --> 02:38:38,120
in all neighborhood but at the same

3237
02:38:38,120 --> 02:38:40,040
point if we don't Market the service

3238
02:38:40,040 --> 02:38:41,880
there and people are not showing up then

3239
02:38:41,880 --> 02:38:44,439
we all are we're

3240
02:38:44,439 --> 02:38:48,200
failing Mr M can I just ask if we

3241
02:38:48,200 --> 02:38:50,000
consider what's on the line right now

3242
02:38:50,000 --> 02:38:51,800
and if there's any expansionary

3243
02:38:51,800 --> 02:38:53,399
conversations we have those at the

3244
02:38:53,399 --> 02:38:55,359
committee it's reduction that would

3245
02:38:55,359 --> 02:38:58,160
happen I just I think because this this

3246
02:38:58,160 --> 02:39:00,479
money was to fund three and we only have

3247
02:39:00,479 --> 02:39:02,080
two so I was thinking right here right

3248
02:39:02,080 --> 02:39:04,399
now just take it

3249
02:39:04,399 --> 02:39:07,399
out well we have we have two from

3250
02:39:07,399 --> 02:39:09,319
Catholic Charities and we have the

3251
02:39:09,319 --> 02:39:12,240
Hibernians which is funded by cdbg it's

3252
02:39:12,240 --> 02:39:14,600
not completely funded by cdbg by the

3253
02:39:14,600 --> 02:39:19,040
time it gets to the end of the year I I spoke with them before we went into

3254
02:39:19,040 --> 02:39:19,920
budget

3255
02:39:19,920 --> 02:39:23,240
process to to find what is our actual EV

3256
02:39:23,240 --> 02:39:25,560
for that specific program out there do

3257
02:39:25,560 --> 02:39:29,800
you any chance for this year um let's

3258
02:39:29,800 --> 02:39:32,640
look at last year I mean this year if

3259
02:39:32,640 --> 02:39:34,240
it's senior funding and they need it

3260
02:39:34,240 --> 02:39:36,080
then keep it

3261
02:39:36,080 --> 02:39:39,359
in I'm okay with keeping it in yeah I I

3262
02:39:39,359 --> 02:39:41,160
don't

3263
02:39:41,160 --> 02:39:44,319
know what the conversation was no if the

3264
02:39:44,319 --> 02:39:46,399
money used to help on the H Buran senior

3265
02:39:46,399 --> 02:39:48,160
I have no way you with that but I'm just

3266
02:39:48,160 --> 02:39:50,840
talking out loud on the last year total

3267
02:39:50,840 --> 02:39:53,070
was

3268
02:39:53,080 --> 02:39:56,399
$1,355 is what we

3269
02:39:56,399 --> 02:40:04,550
spent so we still that's the that would

3270
02:40:04,560 --> 02:40:07,760
be how much

3271
02:40:07,760 --> 02:40:10,800
so all right all right so hold on I

3272
02:40:10,800 --> 02:40:12,920
can't I don't I'm a lot of information

3273
02:40:12,920 --> 02:40:14,640
here and I'm trying to make a decision

3274
02:40:14,640 --> 02:40:16,319
based on something CU I feel like we're

3275
02:40:16,319 --> 02:40:19,080
not being clear so you said that last

3276
02:40:19,080 --> 02:40:21,760
year year $10,000 was spent out of this

3277
02:40:21,760 --> 02:40:24,640
line 10,400 approximately and we

3278
02:40:24,640 --> 02:40:27,520
budgeted and this proposed budget is for

3279
02:40:27,520 --> 02:40:31,160
$60,000 last year it was 60 also hold

3280
02:40:31,160 --> 02:40:32,640
say it again last year last year it was

3281
02:40:32,640 --> 02:40:35,800
60,000 we budgeted for 60,000 they spent

3282
02:40:35,800 --> 02:40:38,600
10,000 it's

3283
02:40:38,600 --> 02:40:41,760
odd they they send you invoices right

3284
02:40:41,760 --> 02:40:46,750
and that's how they get reimbursed

3285
02:40:46,760 --> 02:40:51,040
I'm uh one of the reason to um is that

3286
02:40:51,040 --> 02:40:52,920
the poor attendance sometime they are

3287
02:40:52,920 --> 02:40:55,960
two three no we I I met with them we met

3288
02:40:55,960 --> 02:40:57,319
with them relatively recently it's a

3289
02:40:57,319 --> 02:40:59,680
full attendant so we need to all get on

3290
02:40:59,680 --> 02:41:02,319
board and to to get it out there to kind

3291
02:41:02,319 --> 02:41:04,680
of like you know sell it to our seniors

3292
02:41:04,680 --> 02:41:07,479
to get out there and access a service

3293
02:41:07,479 --> 02:41:09,560
similarly to what we're doing for Honan

3294
02:41:09,560 --> 02:41:12,760
they are full capacity I mean capacity

3295
02:41:12,760 --> 02:41:14,359
so I think we need to do all of us need

3296
02:41:14,359 --> 02:41:15,640
to do the same thing for the other two

3297
02:41:15,640 --> 02:41:18,680
centers I I think our the other centers

3298
02:41:18,680 --> 02:41:21,520
the two day are uh course connec

3299
02:41:21,520 --> 02:41:25,240
residents only sometimes it's difficult

3300
02:41:25,240 --> 02:41:27,520
um you know the locations that we we did

3301
02:41:27,520 --> 02:41:31,439
choose we're close to uh senior housing

3302
02:41:31,439 --> 02:41:33,960
um of course the the cafe up there I

3303
02:41:33,960 --> 02:41:37,200
mean which is that fall capacity yeah 45

3304
02:41:37,200 --> 02:41:40,319
people every week with some small chair

3305
02:41:40,319 --> 02:41:44,680
yoga um MVP still does the for free for

3306
02:41:44,680 --> 02:41:47,640
us I think it's important for our then

3307
02:41:47,640 --> 02:41:49,760
there are some members from H who attend

3308
02:41:49,760 --> 02:41:53,160
these they do oh they definitely do they

3309
02:41:53,160 --> 02:41:55,160
so but everything what are we what are

3310
02:41:55,160 --> 02:41:56,600
we to talk about this let's move on from

3311
02:41:56,600 --> 02:42:00,279
the 6,000 45,000 leaving on the L I'm

3312
02:42:00,279 --> 02:42:02,439
good with I mean if we only spent 10 I'm

3313
02:42:02,439 --> 02:42:04,600
good with take mil centers there was

3314
02:42:04,600 --> 02:42:06,640
another Center is not there I'm good

3315
02:42:06,640 --> 02:42:09,510
with moving it down to

3316
02:42:09,520 --> 02:42:11,960
40

3317
02:42:11,960 --> 02:42:14,240
yeah I mean cath Charles would just have

3318
02:42:14,240 --> 02:42:16,200
to adjust it might mean that they'll cut

3319
02:42:16,200 --> 02:42:19,479
back the other day just have Friday they

3320
02:42:19,479 --> 02:42:20,720
cut back I don't think they have to cut

3321
02:42:20,720 --> 02:42:25,240
back because right well why would they

3322
02:42:25,240 --> 02:42:26,600
cut back if they're only spending 10

3323
02:42:26,600 --> 02:42:27,720
they only spending then they don't have

3324
02:42:27,720 --> 02:42:29,240
to cut back it's just that they have to

3325
02:42:29,240 --> 02:42:31,160
keep promoting the service and if they

3326
02:42:31,160 --> 02:42:32,560
decide to spend more then they come back

3327
02:42:32,560 --> 02:42:34,720
to us it seems like if we if we were to

3328
02:42:34,720 --> 02:42:36,720
fund it at 40 then they could then they

3329
02:42:36,720 --> 02:42:39,880
could increase it uh four times let me

3330
02:42:39,880 --> 02:42:43,560
see you could always leave the $6,000 I

3331
02:42:43,560 --> 02:42:45,479
can say that the attendance are very low

3332
02:42:45,479 --> 02:42:49,920
and that's why the numbers are so low I I know the attendance is low and

3333
02:42:49,920 --> 02:42:52,399
except on Fridays yeah theying Tuesdays

3334
02:42:52,399 --> 02:42:54,319
and Thursdays it's very low so that

3335
02:42:54,319 --> 02:42:57,680
could be the possibility by the $10,000

3336
02:42:57,680 --> 02:43:04,279
there for last year is what well they pay $5 yes well well the

3337
02:43:04,279 --> 02:43:07,080
individuals do the other but it's a

3338
02:43:07,080 --> 02:43:12,359
$15 meal so um that's why I I I think

3339
02:43:12,359 --> 02:43:14,960
they they haven't made sent for all the

3340
02:43:14,960 --> 02:43:17,560
Reimers I mean if last year they spent

3341
02:43:17,560 --> 02:43:20,319
10,000 10 months

3342
02:43:20,319 --> 02:43:23,920
so it's it's $15 to say for 45 people on

3343
02:43:23,920 --> 02:43:31,349
up is times 52 weeks equals

3344
02:43:31,359 --> 02:43:34,920
no here let's move on what what what

3345
02:43:34,920 --> 02:43:41,630
let's agre on the number here and move

3346
02:43:41,640 --> 02:43:50,110
forward and

3347
02:43:50,120 --> 02:43:53,680
okay willing to purce $4,000 yeah let's

3348
02:43:53,680 --> 02:43:56,439
do yes and that will free back the money

3349
02:43:56,439 --> 02:43:58,439
into the contingency

3350
02:43:58,439 --> 02:44:00,240
line

3351
02:44:00,240 --> 02:44:02,439
$40,000 do do I have all all in

3352
02:44:02,439 --> 02:44:03,840
agreement with

3353
02:44:03,840 --> 02:44:08,439
us okay let's move to um out of grade

3354
02:44:08,439 --> 02:44:09,800
for record

3355
02:44:09,800 --> 02:44:12,080
access what does that

3356
02:44:12,080 --> 02:44:16,990
mean position

3357
02:44:17,000 --> 02:44:30,510
department so can you tell us which um which position that goes with

3358
02:44:30,520 --> 02:44:38,710
[Music]

3359
02:44:38,720 --> 02:44:42,830
access

3360
02:44:42,840 --> 02:44:46,439
minute so John or anybody do you know

3361
02:44:46,439 --> 02:44:47,920
why there's an other grade pay there for

3362
02:44:47,920 --> 02:44:50,880
that one there was a I believe there was

3363
02:44:50,880 --> 02:44:56,200
a r of some sort last year and in seven

3364
02:44:56,200 --> 02:45:00,399
um and they currently receiving gr pay

3365
02:45:00,399 --> 02:45:03,040
um we felt that it was best to keep

3366
02:45:03,040 --> 02:45:07,830
grade pay for 2025 the

3367
02:45:07,840 --> 02:45:12,680
C okay so this is an internal adustment

3368
02:45:12,680 --> 02:45:14,880
I I I'm okay with this I'm okay with

3369
02:45:14,880 --> 02:45:17,960
this too anybody else have objection on

3370
02:45:17,960 --> 02:45:20,399
thisal L and they just took it out of

3371
02:45:20,399 --> 02:45:22,640
judgment and claim it's not affecting

3372
02:45:22,640 --> 02:45:25,279
anything do I have any objection on this

3373
02:45:25,279 --> 02:45:28,319
no okay the next one is um Public Safety

3374
02:45:28,319 --> 02:45:31,319
Foundation we're adding um 20,000 to

3375
02:45:31,319 --> 02:45:34,080
that line and bringing that um in line

3376
02:45:34,080 --> 02:45:37,040
with the um five Department

3377
02:45:37,040 --> 02:45:40,439
$225,000 any objection to

3378
02:45:40,439 --> 02:45:44,000
this I'm going to mark all in favor and

3379
02:45:44,000 --> 02:45:47,279
then we go to Capital um

3380
02:45:47,279 --> 02:45:50,319
fund and those are are some alignments

3381
02:45:50,319 --> 02:45:52,520
with um well this is not ours this is

3382
02:45:52,520 --> 02:45:55,479
alignment with regards to um Mr Wallen

3383
02:45:55,479 --> 02:45:56,680
and

3384
02:45:56,680 --> 02:46:00,200
um daily I'm fine with this and this I'm

3385
02:46:00,200 --> 02:46:01,720
not going to ask because this this is

3386
02:46:01,720 --> 02:46:03,880
from them directly and then there's a

3387
02:46:03,880 --> 02:46:06,840
movement from um water to Su that's not

3388
02:46:06,840 --> 02:46:11,230
our recommendation that's from

3389
02:46:11,240 --> 02:46:13,479
them and then there's an adjustment

3390
02:46:13,479 --> 02:46:17,080
because of the rental zero that line

3391
02:46:17,080 --> 02:46:19,600
out yep

3392
02:46:19,600 --> 02:46:22,760
and that money that 5,000 um offset by

3393
02:46:22,760 --> 02:46:24,680
taking that out of the light power and

3394
02:46:24,680 --> 02:46:28,080
gas so that a zero impact so I can

3395
02:46:28,080 --> 02:46:29,760
safely say that all of us are in

3396
02:46:29,760 --> 02:46:31,720
agreement with these

3397
02:46:31,720 --> 02:46:38,510
changes all right I like that

3398
02:46:38,520 --> 02:46:42,349
so direct

3399
02:46:42,359 --> 02:46:44,600
you would you

3400
02:46:44,600 --> 02:46:47,240
mind take a couple minutes and just

3401
02:46:47,240 --> 02:46:50,240
adjust this

3402
02:46:50,240 --> 02:46:52,840
you want to hold on you want to hold on

3403
02:46:52,840 --> 02:46:57,680
for a few minutes yes yes wait yes and I

3404
02:46:57,680 --> 02:46:59,120
I'll just make one more attempt let see

3405
02:46:59,120 --> 02:47:01,399
where everybody is and you know what I

3406
02:47:01,399 --> 02:47:04,800
just need to know where we stand so that

3407
02:47:04,800 --> 02:47:06,160
way we can go into the weekend and

3408
02:47:06,160 --> 02:47:09,600
knowing that we have some things to to

3409
02:47:09,600 --> 02:47:12,790
work

3410
02:47:12,800 --> 02:47:25,310
on do we have anything else to discuss

3411
02:47:25,320 --> 02:47:27,840
[Music]

3412
02:47:27,840 --> 02:47:29,840
this this document I requested from a

3413
02:47:29,840 --> 02:47:33,279
Corporation Council in ter of better

3414
02:47:33,279 --> 02:47:36,880
understanding how how do we give how can

3415
02:47:36,880 --> 02:47:38,640
we recommend

3416
02:47:38,640 --> 02:47:41,479
um raises to elected

3417
02:47:41,479 --> 02:47:44,479
official so uh it was more of a guidance

3418
02:47:44,479 --> 02:47:47,150
how do

3419
02:47:47,160 --> 02:47:50,600
we how do we approve or consider raises

3420
02:47:50,600 --> 02:47:52,200
to elected it sounds like it looks like

3421
02:47:52,200 --> 02:47:56,600
from a quick reading that we can't yes so I wanted to because I was talking

3422
02:47:56,600 --> 02:47:58,680
to the May in terms of When I Was Here

3423
02:47:58,680 --> 02:48:00,399
we talking about the hearing why he

3424
02:48:00,399 --> 02:48:03,200
didn't submit any recommendation for a

3425
02:48:03,200 --> 02:48:04,960
raise and he was he was referring to the

3426
02:48:04,960 --> 02:48:08,200
city Charter and I wanted U

3427
02:48:08,200 --> 02:48:12,319
Miss barage to can explain us so what

3428
02:48:12,319 --> 02:48:14,520
our disposal in terms of how do we go

3429
02:48:14,520 --> 02:48:19,000
about doing those raises

3430
02:48:19,000 --> 02:48:21,880
last

3431
02:48:21,880 --> 02:48:24,399
Monday okay CU just a quick reading of

3432
02:48:24,399 --> 02:48:26,160
it so this is just for our reading and

3433
02:48:26,160 --> 02:48:28,240
understanding it yeah last year uh we

3434
02:48:28,240 --> 02:48:31,160
did receive um a memo in terms of what

3435
02:48:31,160 --> 02:48:32,000
we

3436
02:48:32,000 --> 02:48:35,240
can do but this is more inde depth to

3437
02:48:35,240 --> 02:48:38,960
kind of outline all the

3438
02:48:38,960 --> 02:48:42,040
sections so that we understand going

3439
02:48:42,040 --> 02:48:45,359
forward that

3440
02:48:45,359 --> 02:48:50,710
um we're not seconding guing our so

3441
02:48:50,720 --> 02:49:00,510
those were

3442
02:49:00,520 --> 02:49:06,260
helpful tired are you tired I am

3443
02:49:06,260 --> 02:49:15,030
[Music]

3444
02:49:15,040 --> 02:49:19,800
yes this is the for uh

3445
02:49:19,800 --> 02:49:21,880
so first meeting we we're having without

3446
02:49:21,880 --> 02:49:25,710
a um Corporation Council

3447
02:49:25,720 --> 02:49:28,200
representation good point

3448
02:49:28,200 --> 02:49:30,520
yeah that should not

3449
02:49:30,520 --> 02:49:33,680
happen if um bar was leaving someone

3450
02:49:33,680 --> 02:49:35,600
else should have stepped in to replace

3451
02:49:35,600 --> 02:49:37,840
that because they are you know I could

3452
02:49:37,840 --> 02:49:39,800
have discussed this Le stuff here that

3453
02:49:39,800 --> 02:49:42,160
we have in our package here it's

3454
02:49:42,160 --> 02:49:57,670
unfortunate

3455
02:49:57,680 --> 02:50:00,990
please

3456
02:50:01,000 --> 02:50:05,550
dinner any

3457
02:50:05,560 --> 02:50:12,550
dinner she's got over

3458
02:50:12,560 --> 02:50:16,640
oh she does my mouth is good don't tell

3459
02:50:16,640 --> 02:50:19,279
me I'm so hungry oh pleas oh no

3460
02:50:19,279 --> 02:50:21,319
makes dinner almost every night that's

3461
02:50:21,319 --> 02:50:23,319
really great last night we just had a sh

3462
02:50:23,319 --> 02:50:24,479
crew

3463
02:50:24,479 --> 02:50:26,920
report everything in the

3464
02:50:26,920 --> 02:50:32,870
refrigerator that's the way to do

3465
02:50:32,880 --> 02:50:35,040
it for

3466
02:50:35,040 --> 02:50:53,510
the well he

3467
02:50:53,520 --> 02:50:56,200
[Music]

3468
02:50:56,200 --> 02:50:58,570
no don't have to ask question

3469
02:50:58,570 --> 02:51:00,800
[Music]

3470
02:51:00,800 --> 02:51:03,040
then she can M while we're talking until

3471
02:51:03,040 --> 02:51:05,790
he comes

3472
02:51:05,800 --> 02:51:07,880
back we can just talk to somebody's

3473
02:51:07,880 --> 02:51:09,200
going to shut up at the podium and say

3474
02:51:09,200 --> 02:51:10,640
I'll be muted because we're doing

3475
02:51:10,640 --> 02:51:12,479
something well you can see they can see

3476
02:51:12,479 --> 02:51:13,640
very clearly that we're in a very

3477
02:51:13,640 --> 02:51:15,640
relaxed stage

3478
02:51:15,640 --> 02:51:26,349
here not discussing anything

3479
02:51:26,359 --> 02:51:28,520
said oh my

3480
02:51:28,520 --> 02:51:30,720
gosh now it's getting warm in here so

3481
02:51:30,720 --> 02:51:36,870
when do we make our final

3482
02:51:36,880 --> 02:51:38,720
decision how

3483
02:51:38,720 --> 02:51:41,160
much how much is it in the vending Mach

3484
02:51:41,160 --> 02:51:43,319
well I'm going to wait I want to eat

3485
02:51:43,319 --> 02:51:47,279
real food just that's can be eating what

3486
02:51:47,279 --> 02:51:52,790
you know look

3487
02:51:52,800 --> 02:51:54,279
be like the other kids if you can't be

3488
02:51:54,279 --> 02:51:57,520
eating you got to share I'm get really

3489
02:51:57,520 --> 02:51:59,880
hot did just get really hot in here oh

3490
02:51:59,880 --> 02:52:04,080
my gosh it's getting very warm in here

3491
02:52:04,080 --> 02:52:09,990
yeah

3492
02:52:10,000 --> 02:52:12,160
that's we're going to do this as fast as

3493
02:52:12,160 --> 02:52:15,680
we can but then so we're not going be a

3494
02:52:15,680 --> 02:52:18,040
to we have to come back so when are we

3495
02:52:18,040 --> 02:52:19,560
going to do that I'm going to recess

3496
02:52:19,560 --> 02:52:21,600
Monday and we'll meet at a committee

3497
02:52:21,600 --> 02:52:23,800
meeting all the finance and then recess

3498
02:52:23,800 --> 02:52:26,680
it ah so we can do it during the 5:30

3499
02:52:26,680 --> 02:52:29,239
after the 5:30

3500
02:52:29,239 --> 02:52:31,399
right I think that would be a long

3501
02:52:31,399 --> 02:52:33,560
meeting it is because there's a big

3502
02:52:33,560 --> 02:52:36,200
agenda there's a lot

3503
02:52:36,200 --> 02:52:40,720
on look um I was hoping that today would

3504
02:52:40,720 --> 02:52:45,359
have been yeah me too I was finger cross

3505
02:52:45,359 --> 02:52:47,160
after we finish this particular

3506
02:52:47,160 --> 02:52:53,399
discussion that we're in right now what do we have to do next on the

3507
02:52:53,399 --> 02:52:56,160
budget no once if we can come up with

3508
02:52:56,160 --> 02:52:59,359
some sort of an agreement of these these

3509
02:52:59,359 --> 02:53:00,920
Hot Topics

3510
02:53:00,920 --> 02:53:07,640
here and if we can see a pad then

3511
02:53:07,640 --> 02:53:09,840
tonight well let's do the number come

3512
02:53:09,840 --> 02:53:11,760
back okay and if we can come with some

3513
02:53:11,760 --> 02:53:13,160
sort of stuff we'll make a

3514
02:53:13,160 --> 02:53:14,560
recommendation if not we'll come back

3515
02:53:14,560 --> 02:53:16,880
Monday and revisit it okay and then make

3516
02:53:16,880 --> 02:53:18,800
a recommendation if not we'll have so

3517
02:53:18,800 --> 02:53:20,239
reset for

3518
02:53:20,239 --> 02:53:24,269
Tuesday keep

3519
02:53:24,279 --> 02:53:26,920
going is there any water in that

3520
02:53:26,920 --> 02:53:28,640
one

3521
02:53:28,640 --> 02:53:30,680
please thank

3522
02:53:30,680 --> 02:53:33,040
you

3523
02:53:33,040 --> 02:53:37,710
thank time get add on

3524
02:53:37,720 --> 02:53:41,399
the 2025 budget same it's part of the

3525
02:53:41,399 --> 02:53:43,640
review review discussion because we had

3526
02:53:43,640 --> 02:53:46,399
the Public Public is

3527
02:53:46,399 --> 02:53:49,000
different for the operating

3528
02:53:49,000 --> 02:53:51,319
yes that's that's it is public hearing

3529
02:53:51,319 --> 02:53:52,520
any

3530
02:53:52,520 --> 02:53:55,160
comments that would be of the whole

3531
02:53:55,160 --> 02:53:56,479
thing

3532
02:53:56,479 --> 02:53:58,399
though I mean if you want it as a

3533
02:53:58,399 --> 02:54:00,760
separate thing can that yes let's let's

3534
02:54:00,760 --> 02:54:05,600
put it 2025 operating uh budget same

3535
02:54:05,600 --> 02:54:08,520
desri okay as a separate item okay at

3536
02:54:08,520 --> 02:54:10,760
that item I will move to recess that

3537
02:54:10,760 --> 02:54:13,960
item to the to the end of okay that's

3538
02:54:13,960 --> 02:54:16,439
what it says it just says review of the

3539
02:54:16,439 --> 02:54:19,560
same title

3540
02:54:19,560 --> 02:54:22,800
but it says review discussion now review

3541
02:54:22,800 --> 02:54:23,800
SL

3542
02:54:23,800 --> 02:54:32,110
discussion there the title

3543
02:54:32,120 --> 02:54:43,269
still get

3544
02:54:43,279 --> 02:54:45,680
slice and you going to add that on the

3545
02:54:45,680 --> 02:54:48,439
agenda for

3546
02:54:48,439 --> 02:54:50,040
yeah not

3547
02:54:50,040 --> 02:54:56,479
finish you add that um discussion to um

3548
02:54:56,479 --> 02:54:59,399
or recommend what did I say just about

3549
02:54:59,399 --> 02:55:04,150
salary um

3550
02:55:04,160 --> 02:55:06,880
analysis form oh the formal resolution

3551
02:55:06,880 --> 02:55:08,640
for mayor to do research analysis on

3552
02:55:08,640 --> 02:55:11,880
employment for department heads yes that

3553
02:55:11,880 --> 02:55:14,239
okay and you said you wanted a separate

3554
02:55:14,239 --> 02:55:17,000
line for discussion separate line that's

3555
02:55:17,000 --> 02:55:19,479
yeah yeah I I think we do that and just

3556
02:55:19,479 --> 02:55:22,160
give the mayor and his HR to go and look

3557
02:55:22,160 --> 02:55:24,840
at that and come back to us and you know

3558
02:55:24,840 --> 02:55:27,720
it is what it is if we have to realign

3559
02:55:27,720 --> 02:55:29,479
them in the year and if we have the

3560
02:55:29,479 --> 02:55:31,640
funding and the May is with it we Reit

3561
02:55:31,640 --> 02:55:34,000
it and we'll realign and bring them up

3562
02:55:34,000 --> 02:55:36,600
to par I mean we could even discuss it

3563
02:55:36,600 --> 02:55:40,200
mid year yes as soon as the report is

3564
02:55:40,200 --> 02:55:46,750
avable as soon as the

3565
02:55:46,760 --> 02:55:51,110
report thank you sir thank

3566
02:55:51,120 --> 02:56:09,830
[Music]

3567
02:56:09,840 --> 02:56:14,110
you I have another

3568
02:56:14,120 --> 02:56:16,640
one this this is even

3569
02:56:16,640 --> 02:56:20,820
better here we can look

3570
02:56:20,830 --> 02:56:22,800
[Music]

3571
02:56:22,800 --> 02:56:29,590
thank

3572
02:56:29,600 --> 02:56:41,590
you we are missing no we're not missing

3573
02:56:41,600 --> 02:56:54,110
sorry one two three four five six

3574
02:56:54,120 --> 02:56:56,880
so that is given us 9,900 with this with

3575
02:56:56,880 --> 02:56:59,319
these changes as

3576
02:56:59,319 --> 02:57:01,479
proposed they giving

3577
02:57:01,479 --> 02:57:05,080
9,957 back to the general fund but I

3578
02:57:05,080 --> 02:57:08,760
have to um bring something how is that

3579
02:57:08,760 --> 02:57:10,640
how did we give money back if we're

3580
02:57:10,640 --> 02:57:12,479
making raises how are we giving money

3581
02:57:12,479 --> 02:57:15,920
back because there's a drop of $20,000

3582
02:57:15,920 --> 02:57:19,200
on the second last oh so that's where

3583
02:57:19,200 --> 02:57:21,160
the offset

3584
02:57:21,160 --> 02:57:24,120
is

3585
02:57:24,120 --> 02:57:28,640
um it was a good point that was made by

3586
02:57:28,640 --> 02:57:33,000
um by D that the salaries uh in

3587
02:57:33,000 --> 02:57:53,830
development are very very close like a grand apart not even

3588
02:57:53,840 --> 02:58:00,710
yeah the first one and the last

3589
02:58:00,720 --> 02:58:03,680
one so this is the I'm sorry but I was

3590
02:58:03,680 --> 02:58:05,479
going to say they already were so i' say

3591
02:58:05,479 --> 02:58:07,479
Tak in consideration their years of

3592
02:58:07,479 --> 02:58:10,680
service I think

3593
02:58:10,680 --> 02:58:15,160
that okay that is also a a true

3594
02:58:15,160 --> 02:58:17,040
Factor oh well it's actually a little

3595
02:58:17,040 --> 02:58:19,200
bit more with our proposed ch so okay

3596
02:58:19,200 --> 02:58:22,200
yeah I agree with that yes years of

3597
02:58:22,200 --> 02:58:24,200
service yes but it's it's it's a little

3598
02:58:24,200 --> 02:58:26,359
bit more without our changes so

3599
02:58:26,359 --> 02:58:29,000
okay yes it's a position that high but

3600
02:58:29,000 --> 02:58:30,120
then look

3601
02:58:30,120 --> 02:58:34,040
at the service that associated with

3602
02:58:34,040 --> 02:58:36,120
position it's just I had to look for the

3603
02:58:36,120 --> 02:58:38,359
problem because this time it's no no

3604
02:58:38,359 --> 02:58:41,319
heading that's

3605
02:58:41,319 --> 02:58:44,040
okay I just put it right here and put it

3606
02:58:44,040 --> 02:58:47,239
over here sh so I guess my only question

3607
02:58:47,239 --> 02:58:49,120
would be then so then we're making

3608
02:58:49,120 --> 02:58:51,560
calculations not based on the position

3609
02:58:51,560 --> 02:58:54,080
but the person then

3610
02:58:54,080 --> 02:58:56,960
right the

3611
02:58:56,960 --> 02:58:59,600
shop what do mean that's true the

3612
02:58:59,600 --> 02:59:02,880
position and I what I mean is that if

3613
02:59:02,880 --> 02:59:05,000
our justification for that is years of

3614
02:59:05,000 --> 02:59:07,600
service then we're factoring a person

3615
02:59:07,600 --> 02:59:09,479
how long they've been

3616
02:59:09,479 --> 02:59:14,040
here um and and again I would just so

3617
02:59:14,040 --> 02:59:16,399
are we talking about the individual

3618
02:59:16,399 --> 02:59:17,680
person or are we talking about the

3619
02:59:17,680 --> 02:59:18,880
position

3620
02:59:18,880 --> 02:59:21,720
I think we're to me we're talking about

3621
02:59:21,720 --> 02:59:23,880
I think we're talking about the position

3622
02:59:23,880 --> 02:59:26,319
and when you would like any position if

3623
02:59:26,319 --> 02:59:28,239
you've been there longer than me then

3624
02:59:28,239 --> 02:59:29,479
you're going to make more money just by

3625
02:59:29,479 --> 02:59:31,160
the fact that you've been there longer

3626
02:59:31,160 --> 02:59:32,720
and if it's a lower position you might

3627
02:59:32,720 --> 02:59:34,359
be close to me or I might be close to

3628
02:59:34,359 --> 02:59:36,399
your salary but I think you're talking

3629
02:59:36,399 --> 02:59:38,880
about how long about the position

3630
02:59:38,880 --> 02:59:39,880
because a certain position you're going

3631
02:59:39,880 --> 02:59:41,920
to make a certain salary and I also

3632
02:59:41,920 --> 02:59:43,319
think that we're talking about when

3633
02:59:43,319 --> 02:59:44,399
you're in a certain position for a

3634
02:59:44,399 --> 02:59:45,399
certain amount of time there's an

3635
02:59:45,399 --> 02:59:50,200
expectation that your Sal sure I mean

3636
02:59:50,200 --> 02:59:53,600
how I no I I I what I'm saying is I I

3637
02:59:53,600 --> 02:59:56,160
hear the justification for what I'm

3638
02:59:56,160 --> 02:59:59,399
saying is that I'm not as concerned as

3639
02:59:59,399 --> 03:00:01,359
the justification as I am the

3640
03:00:01,359 --> 03:00:03,200
calculation so because if we're

3641
03:00:03,200 --> 03:00:05,120
calculating that well then that's

3642
03:00:05,120 --> 03:00:07,200
something that we need to factor in

3643
03:00:07,200 --> 03:00:12,110
again this is

3644
03:00:12,120 --> 03:00:15,680
where so if this person who's been here

3645
03:00:15,680 --> 03:00:18,160
for as long if they've been here they

3646
03:00:18,160 --> 03:00:22,000
leave we hire someone that walks in new

3647
03:00:22,000 --> 03:00:25,080
then we reduce that is that that's

3648
03:00:25,080 --> 03:00:29,040
saying it would go back to yeah okay so

3649
03:00:29,040 --> 03:00:31,920
and so if we're making that calculation

3650
03:00:31,920 --> 03:00:33,080
then I would just think that we would

3651
03:00:33,080 --> 03:00:36,160
just have to be little mindful of like

3652
03:00:36,160 --> 03:00:37,720
what other calculations are we making or

3653
03:00:37,720 --> 03:00:39,439
what other things are we not

3654
03:00:39,439 --> 03:00:42,830
considering

3655
03:00:42,840 --> 03:00:45,560
like well I think then we have to look

3656
03:00:45,560 --> 03:00:49,030
at like

3657
03:00:49,040 --> 03:00:54,200
so our director of development

3658
03:00:54,200 --> 03:00:57,550
is is

3659
03:00:57,560 --> 03:00:59,840
almost seeing almost like overseeing

3660
03:00:59,840 --> 03:01:02,680
like two two departments

3661
03:01:02,680 --> 03:01:04,960
right no what it's one department but

3662
03:01:04,960 --> 03:01:08,000
it's a lot of um titles that is

3663
03:01:08,000 --> 03:01:12,000
associated PHS are associated with that

3664
03:01:12,000 --> 03:01:14,960
department so it's one department but

3665
03:01:14,960 --> 03:01:17,399
it's what can make that distinction from

3666
03:01:17,399 --> 03:01:18,439
me again Mr

3667
03:01:18,439 --> 03:01:19,640
you're saying it's one department but

3668
03:01:19,640 --> 03:01:21,840
it's a multiple

3669
03:01:21,840 --> 03:01:23,600
position that department but it's

3670
03:01:23,600 --> 03:01:25,720
multiple positions under that director

3671
03:01:25,720 --> 03:01:28,760
that person right as to what other

3672
03:01:28,760 --> 03:01:30,479
departments it's the same thing for

3673
03:01:30,479 --> 03:01:32,399
other department thats you have Parks

3674
03:01:32,399 --> 03:01:35,200
you have facility you have all that

3675
03:01:35,200 --> 03:01:40,279
legal yeah yeah like o just right the

3676
03:01:40,279 --> 03:01:43,560
ogs comprise of a whole bunch

3677
03:01:43,560 --> 03:01:48,720
of enforcement Falls ongs m

3678
03:01:48,720 --> 03:01:54,800
yeah guess slot all right go ahead so

3679
03:01:54,800 --> 03:01:57,640
I maybe

3680
03:01:57,640 --> 03:02:02,720
I um well maybe so the uh did go Deputy

3681
03:02:02,720 --> 03:02:04,200
Commissioner of

3682
03:02:04,200 --> 03:02:07,120
Finance just in the conversations we had

3683
03:02:07,120 --> 03:02:10,279
I I almost thought that that

3684
03:02:10,279 --> 03:02:13,200
position we wanted to fund that line so

3685
03:02:13,200 --> 03:02:16,200
that we could hire someone into that

3686
03:02:16,200 --> 03:02:18,640
position um and the start rate we talked

3687
03:02:18,640 --> 03:02:20,120
about the other night the starting range

3688
03:02:20,120 --> 03:02:22,800
would be like from 94 up to 120

3689
03:02:22,800 --> 03:02:25,439
something anticipating a retirement

3690
03:02:25,439 --> 03:02:29,840
where this Deputy uh position may go

3691
03:02:29,840 --> 03:02:32,760
into the commissioner Finance position

3692
03:02:32,760 --> 03:02:35,920
so we're talking about a position um

3693
03:02:35,920 --> 03:02:39,160
that's may not even be open right now

3694
03:02:39,160 --> 03:02:43,359
that is correct yes right okay so so I I

3695
03:02:43,359 --> 03:02:46,319
I'm going to step back that I would be

3696
03:02:46,319 --> 03:02:48,880
in favor of that that line and that line

3697
03:02:48,880 --> 03:02:52,760
only oh okay that's my my error okay

3698
03:02:52,760 --> 03:02:59,439
that line at what percentage here at the recommendation from U Mr Ferrari for

3699
03:02:59,439 --> 03:03:02,120
that 12803 uh we we were all over the

3700
03:03:02,120 --> 03:03:04,680
map so the third colum is the council

3701
03:03:04,680 --> 03:03:07,960
changes yeah no the 25% is yeah Mr

3702
03:03:07,960 --> 03:03:09,840
Ferrari recommend

3703
03:03:09,840 --> 03:03:12,800
that far to 100,000 and I think

3704
03:03:12,800 --> 03:03:15,239
everybody was in line with his

3705
03:03:15,239 --> 03:03:19,710
recommendation of 100,000

3706
03:03:19,720 --> 03:03:23,279
yes so you are in favor of that and that

3707
03:03:23,279 --> 03:03:28,429
only yeah okay thank

3708
03:03:28,439 --> 03:03:30,840
you I thought that Mr Ferrari

3709
03:03:30,840 --> 03:03:32,600
recommended

3710
03:03:32,600 --> 03:03:34,840
120,000 oh he recommend I see he

3711
03:03:34,840 --> 03:03:37,000
recommend 100,000 and that's okay yeah

3712
03:03:37,000 --> 03:03:40,160
no I have it Anthony 100,000 of I have

3713
03:03:40,160 --> 03:03:44,120
it I have it I wrote it down even

3714
03:03:44,120 --> 03:03:45,680
yes

3715
03:03:45,680 --> 03:03:47,520
okay I'm going to go around the table

3716
03:03:47,520 --> 03:03:51,120
just because of the sake of time yeah

3717
03:03:51,120 --> 03:03:54,840
um Mr Joe I'm I'm good with this you're

3718
03:03:54,840 --> 03:03:59,000
good with across the board y okay

3719
03:03:59,000 --> 03:04:03,950
um M for field I'm fine with

3720
03:04:03,960 --> 03:04:09,590
this car yes

3721
03:04:09,600 --> 03:04:14,110
the

3722
03:04:14,120 --> 03:04:18,200
yes I'm in favor of this

3723
03:04:18,200 --> 03:04:19,560
respect your

3724
03:04:19,560 --> 03:04:22,239
position I respect everybody having say

3725
03:04:22,239 --> 03:04:25,880
the table and express yourself and it's

3726
03:04:25,880 --> 03:04:29,200
respect it don't feel any way it just to

3727
03:04:29,200 --> 03:04:32,359
be clear we had you said no right I said

3728
03:04:32,359 --> 03:04:35,840
no no yeah Mr Mr said no I wasn't sure

3729
03:04:35,840 --> 03:04:39,279
if you heard it Mr said no right you

3730
03:04:39,279 --> 03:04:41,200
says no I thought you said no I thought

3731
03:04:41,200 --> 03:04:46,359
you said yes no no no um yes on one no

3732
03:04:46,359 --> 03:04:48,160
on all the others and you saying the

3733
03:04:48,160 --> 03:04:49,840
question was about all everything right

3734
03:04:49,840 --> 03:04:52,040
yes okay okay yeah so you're saying no

3735
03:04:52,040 --> 03:04:56,160
across the board yeah I'm saying no yeah

3736
03:04:56,160 --> 03:04:59,880
okay so there's five yes on this to

3737
03:04:59,880 --> 03:05:02,800
compromise on this here okay uh nothing

3738
03:05:02,800 --> 03:05:09,319
wrong with that I appreciate your your honesty on that any other so this

3739
03:05:09,319 --> 03:05:10,880
is all the recommendation that we have

3740
03:05:10,880 --> 03:05:13,200
at this point time the one

3741
03:05:13,200 --> 03:05:15,800
recommendation that I spoke about last

3742
03:05:15,800 --> 03:05:18,520
night is to increase the re line on the

3743
03:05:18,520 --> 03:05:21,520
delinquent violation fee right now it's

3744
03:05:21,520 --> 03:05:24,399
at 60,000 and based on conversation when

3745
03:05:24,399 --> 03:05:27,080
we were doing the fee alignment we talk

3746
03:05:27,080 --> 03:05:30,479
about and assistant chief brought us to

3747
03:05:30,479 --> 03:05:32,840
um in line with that that they did um a

3748
03:05:32,840 --> 03:05:34,359
couple months ago or a couple weeks and

3749
03:05:34,359 --> 03:05:37,439
we brought in $30,000 already so I'm

3750
03:05:37,439 --> 03:05:40,040
thinking 60,000 might be you know too

3751
03:05:40,040 --> 03:05:41,720
conservative so I would like to

3752
03:05:41,720 --> 03:05:43,880
recommend that we look at that um you

3753
03:05:43,880 --> 03:05:46,399
open mind on Monday to may be possible

3754
03:05:46,399 --> 03:05:48,640
look at doubling that because I think

3755
03:05:48,640 --> 03:05:51,560
they have the capacity and the resource

3756
03:05:51,560 --> 03:05:55,239
now with the agency on board to to go

3757
03:05:55,239 --> 03:05:56,479
well beyond

3758
03:05:56,479 --> 03:05:59,120
down i' just like to ask the the chief

3759
03:05:59,120 --> 03:06:02,600
or who m is running it um that $30,000

3760
03:06:02,600 --> 03:06:04,800
thatll came in because I I did mention

3761
03:06:04,800 --> 03:06:06,439
Mr Ferrari last night well we hadn't

3762
03:06:06,439 --> 03:06:08,560
written that that that off a long time

3763
03:06:08,560 --> 03:06:10,720
ago and he said that that he couldn't is

3764
03:06:10,720 --> 03:06:13,520
that correct sorry that writing off the

3765
03:06:13,520 --> 03:06:16,239
debt of the I mean it's been how many

3766
03:06:16,239 --> 03:06:18,080
years we should have written off by now

3767
03:06:18,080 --> 03:06:19,439
oh that's what you're talking about but

3768
03:06:19,439 --> 03:06:21,600
so but my I guess my next question is

3769
03:06:21,600 --> 03:06:25,000
that 30,000 how many is that for the

3770
03:06:25,000 --> 03:06:27,000
past one year two year three year you

3771
03:06:27,000 --> 03:06:28,279
know I because I don't think we're going

3772
03:06:28,279 --> 03:06:31,560
to personally recover 10 12 years oh

3773
03:06:31,560 --> 03:06:33,279
yeah oh no no no we're not that's I'm

3774
03:06:33,279 --> 03:06:36,600
saying I'd like to know what that 30,000

3775
03:06:36,600 --> 03:06:41,600
was from yeah it's it's for um the newer set of violation not the older one

3776
03:06:41,600 --> 03:06:43,560
there if we were to look at the all

3777
03:06:43,560 --> 03:06:45,479
entire it's about $4 million it's

3778
03:06:45,479 --> 03:06:47,120
impossible for us to do that oh yeah

3779
03:06:47,120 --> 03:06:49,239
nobody I I understand that but the the

3780
03:06:49,239 --> 03:06:50,920
money that's coming in is it recent

3781
03:06:50,920 --> 03:06:53,880
money is it 90 days 60 days 90 days it's

3782
03:06:53,880 --> 03:06:56,399
over it's over mon did mention it's over

3783
03:06:56,399 --> 03:06:58,600
6 months outstanding but it's it's

3784
03:06:58,600 --> 03:07:02,000
what's the recovery rate prior to that

3785
03:07:02,000 --> 03:07:03,359
well that's what they're working now

3786
03:07:03,359 --> 03:07:06,399
with new ageny to aggressively go after

3787
03:07:06,399 --> 03:07:10,439
these um delinquent um fees and to

3788
03:07:10,439 --> 03:07:12,760
understood get paid but I mean they

3789
03:07:12,760 --> 03:07:14,520
started up in the last couple of months

3790
03:07:14,520 --> 03:07:16,120
and they you know give them credit

3791
03:07:16,120 --> 03:07:17,600
they're doing a good job in terms of

3792
03:07:17,600 --> 03:07:20,160
collecting that additional Revenue but I

3793
03:07:20,160 --> 03:07:22,840
still think it's too low I'm not asking

3794
03:07:22,840 --> 03:07:24,800
I think it should double but I'm not

3795
03:07:24,800 --> 03:07:26,479
asking anybody at this point in time I'm

3796
03:07:26,479 --> 03:07:28,720
just throwing that up for Monday table

3797
03:07:28,720 --> 03:07:31,920
that I can ask Brian to come back in be

3798
03:07:31,920 --> 03:07:33,960
good and to give us a little snapshat

3799
03:07:33,960 --> 03:07:36,720
more than that to refresh us but it's

3800
03:07:36,720 --> 03:07:38,359
something that we can

3801
03:07:38,359 --> 03:07:41,120
increase one Revenue at least to help

3802
03:07:41,120 --> 03:07:43,640
offset some of these in and out here

3803
03:07:43,640 --> 03:07:45,600
that is going on here because I would

3804
03:07:45,600 --> 03:07:48,479
like to still see that the road that we

3805
03:07:48,479 --> 03:07:51,600
maintain our contingency at

3806
03:07:51,600 --> 03:07:54,040
300,000 and that's one of my focuses to

3807
03:07:54,040 --> 03:07:56,200
look at if we can up that line we will

3808
03:07:56,200 --> 03:07:59,000
put that back that Revenue okay into

3809
03:07:59,000 --> 03:08:01,200
contingency because this this adjustment

3810
03:08:01,200 --> 03:08:03,279
that we're making here it's negative so

3811
03:08:03,279 --> 03:08:05,680
it's not it's it's a good impact on the

3812
03:08:05,680 --> 03:08:08,389
general

3813
03:08:08,399 --> 03:08:12,000
fund all right I think we start out we I

3814
03:08:12,000 --> 03:08:14,560
think we ended a little good yes now

3815
03:08:14,560 --> 03:08:16,880
where we want it to be but um we are

3816
03:08:16,880 --> 03:08:18,520
going to

3817
03:08:18,520 --> 03:08:20,720
so there's no other business am I

3818
03:08:20,720 --> 03:08:23,520
missing anything now just so before

3819
03:08:23,520 --> 03:08:25,560
Monday

3820
03:08:25,560 --> 03:08:28,920
um if we if the council

3821
03:08:28,920 --> 03:08:32,520
can try just help me with like kind of

3822
03:08:32,520 --> 03:08:34,680
the rationale as to like what the

3823
03:08:34,680 --> 03:08:38,160
justification is for where we raises

3824
03:08:38,160 --> 03:08:40,040
that we gotten you guys want to just

3825
03:08:40,040 --> 03:08:41,080
like you could shoot an email or

3826
03:08:41,080 --> 03:08:42,160
something like that what was the

3827
03:08:42,160 --> 03:08:46,200
justification yeah cuz yeah so I guess

3828
03:08:46,200 --> 03:08:50,389
I'm I'm a little confused cuz I feel

3829
03:08:50,399 --> 03:08:53,279
like there's we're we're

3830
03:08:53,279 --> 03:08:55,560
making

3831
03:08:55,560 --> 03:08:58,239
considerations based

3832
03:08:58,239 --> 03:09:01,640
on like what one Department had is

3833
03:09:01,640 --> 03:09:05,680
saying but then we're not making

3834
03:09:05,680 --> 03:09:08,560
our our um considerations based on

3835
03:09:08,560 --> 03:09:11,840
another department head and I just want

3836
03:09:11,840 --> 03:09:13,840
to make sure that how we're make how

3837
03:09:13,840 --> 03:09:15,239
we're making our decision so it'll be

3838
03:09:15,239 --> 03:09:17,040
good for me to see it out and then maybe

3839
03:09:17,040 --> 03:09:20,640
it might maybe I can get there maybe I'm just not catching I think it

3840
03:09:20,640 --> 03:09:22,680
was discussed here so I don't not sure

3841
03:09:22,680 --> 03:09:27,120
what why M so let me just recap you want

3842
03:09:27,120 --> 03:09:32,800
me to clarify the question no I got I got a question but

3843
03:09:32,800 --> 03:09:37,200
um these that are on this here

3844
03:09:37,200 --> 03:09:40,960
mhm came before us and asked for

3845
03:09:40,960 --> 03:09:43,479
consideration and some of them we are

3846
03:09:43,479 --> 03:09:47,600
looking at $600 and $179

3847
03:09:47,600 --> 03:09:50,239
those were default sure those two happen

3848
03:09:50,239 --> 03:09:51,800
by default we're not going to even

3849
03:09:51,800 --> 03:09:53,600
discuss that that's not my question the

3850
03:09:53,600 --> 03:09:56,160
other three came before us for

3851
03:09:56,160 --> 03:09:58,399
recommendation and that's so the May

3852
03:09:58,399 --> 03:10:00,239
sent out an email today asking his

3853
03:10:00,239 --> 03:10:03,120
department head if they if they have any

3854
03:10:03,120 --> 03:10:05,600
question about their salary they should

3855
03:10:05,600 --> 03:10:08,319
show up at the meeting and be ready to

3856
03:10:08,319 --> 03:10:10,600
speak and ask the council right for

3857
03:10:10,600 --> 03:10:14,239
recommendation that's salary that's the

3858
03:10:14,239 --> 03:10:16,000
question yeah no I'm trying to say

3859
03:10:16,000 --> 03:10:19,200
you're rational the rational is that

3860
03:10:19,200 --> 03:10:20,399
here we have people coming here and

3861
03:10:20,399 --> 03:10:22,880
making a page yes because they weren't

3862
03:10:22,880 --> 03:10:24,960
satisfied yes and today there was an

3863
03:10:24,960 --> 03:10:27,239
email asking the entire depart all the

3864
03:10:27,239 --> 03:10:29,800
department head to come if they have if

3865
03:10:29,800 --> 03:10:32,120
they're not satisfied to come before

3866
03:10:32,120 --> 03:10:34,399
us right

3867
03:10:34,399 --> 03:10:38,000
that's so again that's so I think he I'm

3868
03:10:38,000 --> 03:10:41,080
not put no no it's fine I welcome it cuz

3869
03:10:41,080 --> 03:10:42,439
my question everything you just said I

3870
03:10:42,439 --> 03:10:44,120
Agreed 100% so we're we're on the same

3871
03:10:44,120 --> 03:10:46,080
page with that yeah what I'm saying is

3872
03:10:46,080 --> 03:10:48,120
that what I'm hearing hearing via the

3873
03:10:48,120 --> 03:10:50,160
conversation around the table is that

3874
03:10:50,160 --> 03:10:52,239
there's things that considering like you

3875
03:10:52,239 --> 03:10:54,520
know years of service in one situation

3876
03:10:54,520 --> 03:10:56,560
I'm like okay I I could see why that

3877
03:10:56,560 --> 03:10:59,760
would make sense um and then that might

3878
03:10:59,760 --> 03:11:02,720
not be the same scenario for other

3879
03:11:02,720 --> 03:11:04,359
people who've came forward so maybe we

3880
03:11:04,359 --> 03:11:06,160
don't have to make that consideration

3881
03:11:06,160 --> 03:11:09,760
cuz it's not there but um there's a

3882
03:11:09,760 --> 03:11:13,640
significant um

3883
03:11:13,640 --> 03:11:16,760
uh difference in some of these

3884
03:11:16,760 --> 03:11:19,479
percentages is here and the largest one

3885
03:11:19,479 --> 03:11:22,960
what I heard was uh Mr Ferrari who's the

3886
03:11:22,960 --> 03:11:24,120
department head he made that

3887
03:11:24,120 --> 03:11:26,399
recommendation and we all woman his

3888
03:11:26,399 --> 03:11:31,200
recommendation so okay I finish that definitely was said I'm not saying

3889
03:11:31,200 --> 03:11:33,640
you said that I'm saying but that say

3890
03:11:33,640 --> 03:11:35,920
original recommendation lowered no I I I

3891
03:11:35,920 --> 03:11:40,000
no I understand what the let's let's not have any debate let's talk I'm

3892
03:11:40,000 --> 03:11:43,439
not debating no just so what so what I'm

3893
03:11:43,439 --> 03:11:45,160
saying I'm just saying based on what I'm

3894
03:11:45,160 --> 03:11:49,560
heard so what I'm saying is that I want to just get the rationale

3895
03:11:49,560 --> 03:11:53,000
behind why we would take the

3896
03:11:53,000 --> 03:11:56,200
recommendation of one department head

3897
03:11:56,200 --> 03:11:59,840
and maybe not another why we would

3898
03:11:59,840 --> 03:12:01,479
consider

3899
03:12:01,479 --> 03:12:09,349
um positions that are

3900
03:12:09,359 --> 03:12:12,479
not are vacant not vacant yet like

3901
03:12:12,479 --> 03:12:14,200
there's other calculations that are

3902
03:12:14,200 --> 03:12:16,920
happening in one consideration so I'm

3903
03:12:16,920 --> 03:12:18,000
just trying to see like what's a

3904
03:12:18,000 --> 03:12:20,399
rationale for know to see if we're doing

3905
03:12:20,399 --> 03:12:22,359
that in a in an equitable Manner and the

3906
03:12:22,359 --> 03:12:23,760
way I would be able to do that is if I

3907
03:12:23,760 --> 03:12:27,200
had those rationals and you know because

3908
03:12:27,200 --> 03:12:28,439
I'm hearing different things at

3909
03:12:28,439 --> 03:12:29,319
different times and points of

3910
03:12:29,319 --> 03:12:31,399
conversation so if I had something to go

3911
03:12:31,399 --> 03:12:34,239
okay this this council member says I

3912
03:12:34,239 --> 03:12:36,680
agree with this because of the

3913
03:12:36,680 --> 03:12:37,920
department head I'm just using that

3914
03:12:37,920 --> 03:12:39,560
because that's the glaring most glaring

3915
03:12:39,560 --> 03:12:41,920
example well you're saying that because

3916
03:12:41,920 --> 03:12:45,080
the department head uh made that

3917
03:12:45,080 --> 03:12:48,680
recommendation well our Department had

3918
03:12:48,680 --> 03:12:50,720
made other another department had made

3919
03:12:50,720 --> 03:12:52,800
other recommendations so I guess that's

3920
03:12:52,800 --> 03:12:54,399
why I'm trying to figure out the ration

3921
03:12:54,399 --> 03:12:57,120
now that's

3922
03:12:57,120 --> 03:13:00,359
all you want individuals to email you

3923
03:13:00,359 --> 03:13:02,800
first I mean just

3924
03:13:02,800 --> 03:13:05,560
what to try to help okay yeah just so I

3925
03:13:05,560 --> 03:13:06,760
could you know cuz

3926
03:13:06,760 --> 03:13:11,680
I the conversation has definitely taken

3927
03:13:11,680 --> 03:13:12,960
on

3928
03:13:12,960 --> 03:13:15,560
different well CU we're all individuals

3929
03:13:15,560 --> 03:13:17,399
right right which is why no no I mean

3930
03:13:17,399 --> 03:13:19,200
even individuals like I'm hearing like

3931
03:13:19,200 --> 03:13:21,080
first it's this and then well then

3932
03:13:21,080 --> 03:13:22,560
you're considering that all valid

3933
03:13:22,560 --> 03:13:24,560
considerations I'm just saying I would

3934
03:13:24,560 --> 03:13:25,720
just like to see make sure that we're

3935
03:13:25,720 --> 03:13:27,239
doing that in an equitable Manner and I

3936
03:13:27,239 --> 03:13:29,080
would and the way you do that is by kind

3937
03:13:29,080 --> 03:13:31,200
of looking at the data points so what

3938
03:13:31,200 --> 03:13:32,399
I'm taking away from this is that we

3939
03:13:32,399 --> 03:13:34,479
need to reach out to miss Cara and Mr

3940
03:13:34,479 --> 03:13:39,040
Ferrari for a rationale as to why no but

3941
03:13:39,040 --> 03:13:41,560
I'm taking no not asking that yeah

3942
03:13:41,560 --> 03:13:43,800
that's but that I mean that would then

3943
03:13:43,800 --> 03:13:46,560
um you'd be able to see why I mean the

3944
03:13:46,560 --> 03:13:47,720
one position

3945
03:13:47,720 --> 03:13:48,960
if you're asking me what my question is

3946
03:13:48,960 --> 03:13:50,600
you got to allow me to tell you cuz cuz

3947
03:13:50,600 --> 03:13:52,200
that's not because what I'm saying it's

3948
03:13:52,200 --> 03:13:54,120
based on the information that we got if

3949
03:13:54,120 --> 03:13:56,080
they've given you a ration

3950
03:13:56,080 --> 03:13:58,920
now that's okay they but what we're

3951
03:13:58,920 --> 03:14:00,040
saying that you're going on the

3952
03:14:00,040 --> 03:14:01,800
recommendation based of the department

3953
03:14:01,800 --> 03:14:03,680
head so what I'm saying to you if we're

3954
03:14:03,680 --> 03:14:05,279
going to go on a recommendation based on

3955
03:14:05,279 --> 03:14:06,840
one department head and not another one

3956
03:14:06,840 --> 03:14:09,720
I'd like to figure out why that is well

3957
03:14:09,720 --> 03:14:11,319
I do want to just say though that if you

3958
03:14:11,319 --> 03:14:13,680
look at the positions that are there

3959
03:14:13,680 --> 03:14:17,359
just those um

3960
03:14:17,359 --> 03:14:20,239
we did go well we didn't go on the

3961
03:14:20,239 --> 03:14:22,080
recommendation of the well we did go on

3962
03:14:22,080 --> 03:14:23,439
the recommendation of the department had

3963
03:14:23,439 --> 03:14:25,279
as a compromise that that department had

3964
03:14:25,279 --> 03:14:27,479
made a compromise but the other person

3965
03:14:27,479 --> 03:14:29,600
on there that's the department head um

3966
03:14:29,600 --> 03:14:32,920
is recommending um that person's own

3967
03:14:32,920 --> 03:14:36,200
salary um because that's not what her

3968
03:14:36,200 --> 03:14:40,319
particular Supervisor was recommending

3969
03:14:40,319 --> 03:14:44,600
actually right sure but but didn't

3970
03:14:44,600 --> 03:14:46,560
another department head recommend their

3971
03:14:46,560 --> 03:14:50,239
own salary too I don't think so I'm

3972
03:14:50,239 --> 03:14:52,120
looking at those

3973
03:14:52,120 --> 03:14:56,080
five maybe um we but that department was

3974
03:14:56,080 --> 03:14:58,359
before us and made that

3975
03:14:58,359 --> 03:15:00,800
recommendation I'm sorry that department

3976
03:15:00,800 --> 03:15:03,319
head was here and made that

3977
03:15:03,319 --> 03:15:06,830
recommendation before

3978
03:15:06,840 --> 03:15:11,319
us that's all I mean sorry department

3979
03:15:11,319 --> 03:15:15,120
head was before us miss Ferrari Miss car

3980
03:15:15,120 --> 03:15:18,560
and they both recommend

3981
03:15:18,560 --> 03:15:25,349
that yes it was discussed

3982
03:15:25,359 --> 03:15:27,120
publicly all

3983
03:15:27,120 --> 03:15:29,359
right if you need any clarification we

3984
03:15:29,359 --> 03:15:30,840
can have more clarification yeah just

3985
03:15:30,840 --> 03:15:33,239
send it to me that's no we'll have Mr

3986
03:15:33,239 --> 03:15:37,309
Ferrari is going to be here

3987
03:15:37,319 --> 03:15:41,000
Monday okay and we'll have him U make

3988
03:15:41,000 --> 03:15:43,840
that Rec Miss car unfortunately will not

3989
03:15:43,840 --> 03:15:46,199
be here I was understanding for for

3990
03:15:46,199 --> 03:15:49,120
clearity I wasn't confused as to what Mr

3991
03:15:49,120 --> 03:15:51,319
Ferrari's recommendation was but my

3992
03:15:51,319 --> 03:15:53,359
confus is as the function of the council

3993
03:15:53,359 --> 03:15:55,359
is I want to trying to better get a

3994
03:15:55,359 --> 03:15:57,640
clear understanding as to how we got to

3995
03:15:57,640 --> 03:15:59,760
the decision because based on what I'm

3996
03:15:59,760 --> 03:16:01,520
hearing at the table how we're getting

3997
03:16:01,520 --> 03:16:04,600
to the decision is what I heard at the

3998
03:16:04,600 --> 03:16:06,199
table was the department head

3999
03:16:06,199 --> 03:16:08,199
recommended that and that's what we went

4000
03:16:08,199 --> 03:16:09,720
with that well I'm saying there was

4001
03:16:09,720 --> 03:16:11,520
another department head who recommended

4002
03:16:11,520 --> 03:16:14,160
something else too so I'm just saying

4003
03:16:14,160 --> 03:16:15,800
let's really be yeah but I think how we

4004
03:16:15,800 --> 03:16:17,840
arve with it Miss Patrick is is so

4005
03:16:17,840 --> 03:16:20,560
correct it was a compromise because I

4006
03:16:20,560 --> 03:16:22,279
going to say it was a compromise I was

4007
03:16:22,279 --> 03:16:23,720
going to that's exactly what I was going

4008
03:16:23,720 --> 03:16:26,560
to say because remember that I started

4009
03:16:26,560 --> 03:16:30,600
out by only wanting to do 3% so um the

4010
03:16:30,600 --> 03:16:32,520
whole thing was a compromise on my in

4011
03:16:32,520 --> 03:16:35,600
terms of my decision making personally

4012
03:16:35,600 --> 03:16:37,760
um I was compromising to meet the will

4013
03:16:37,760 --> 03:16:39,880
of the larger group um because I would

4014
03:16:39,880 --> 03:16:42,399
not have given the higher raises um

4015
03:16:42,399 --> 03:16:44,199
except for that one individual I mean I

4016
03:16:44,199 --> 03:16:46,439
think I made that clear earlier remember

4017
03:16:46,439 --> 03:16:47,359
yeah but

4018
03:16:47,359 --> 03:16:48,720
except for that one not that one

4019
03:16:48,720 --> 03:16:50,120
individual but that one position is what

4020
03:16:50,120 --> 03:16:52,080
you're saying one position right just

4021
03:16:52,080 --> 03:16:53,279
for clear I understand what you're

4022
03:16:53,279 --> 03:16:56,160
saying but um but yeah so I mean I was

4023
03:16:56,160 --> 03:17:00,319
compromising up in my Regard in my case

4024
03:17:00,319 --> 03:17:02,359
and I think that you you said no right

4025
03:17:02,359 --> 03:17:05,120
so you didn't you

4026
03:17:05,120 --> 03:17:08,720
know help me here sure you just want you

4027
03:17:08,720 --> 03:17:12,479
know help him get some that out help him

4028
03:17:12,479 --> 03:17:14,960
because also it was you know it's always

4029
03:17:14,960 --> 03:17:17,770
been about the position not the

4030
03:17:17,770 --> 03:17:18,880
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4031
03:17:18,880 --> 03:17:21,560
so help him understand why doing what

4032
03:17:21,560 --> 03:17:25,760
you're doing in an email and he SPS a

4033
03:17:25,760 --> 03:17:27,319
little more

4034
03:17:27,319 --> 03:17:30,359
clarification correct correct I I feel

4035
03:17:30,359 --> 03:17:32,920
like I've been what I'm saying is that I

4036
03:17:32,920 --> 03:17:37,239
want to get where others are at and I

4037
03:17:37,239 --> 03:17:39,000
believe people are acting in good faith

4038
03:17:39,000 --> 03:17:40,080
again I know we're tired and we're

4039
03:17:40,080 --> 03:17:42,239
getting frustrated what I'm saying is

4040
03:17:42,239 --> 03:17:45,160
that it would help me understand how you

4041
03:17:45,160 --> 03:17:47,720
got me be able to maybe get there if I

4042
03:17:47,720 --> 03:17:49,319
understood how you got there cuz based

4043
03:17:49,319 --> 03:17:51,479
on what the conversation is at the table

4044
03:17:51,479 --> 03:17:54,560
tonight from what I'm hearing there's

4045
03:17:54,560 --> 03:17:55,920
different factors that are being

4046
03:17:55,920 --> 03:17:57,319
considered that are being considered for

4047
03:17:57,319 --> 03:18:01,439
different positions and I want to make

4048
03:18:01,439 --> 03:18:04,239
sure that if I say oh yeah that's okay

4049
03:18:04,239 --> 03:18:06,080
that makes sense to me I'd like to make

4050
03:18:06,080 --> 03:18:07,319
sure that we're making those decisions

4051
03:18:07,319 --> 03:18:10,229
in an equitable

4052
03:18:10,239 --> 03:18:17,590
manner that's all

4053
03:18:17,600 --> 03:18:22,469
any any other

4054
03:18:22,479 --> 03:18:25,359
discussion okay so we're we're going to

4055
03:18:25,359 --> 03:18:28,319
have to recess until 5:30 I'm putting

4056
03:18:28,319 --> 03:18:30,040
this item on the finance committee we'll

4057
03:18:30,040 --> 03:18:31,399
call the finance committee to order

4058
03:18:31,399 --> 03:18:33,920
recess and then complete the business

4059
03:18:33,920 --> 03:18:36,000
for that day and then we'll um reconvene

4060
03:18:36,000 --> 03:18:38,239
at the end and continue with a budget

4061
03:18:38,239 --> 03:18:41,670
discussion on

4062
03:18:41,680 --> 03:18:44,880
Monday okay any other business for the

4063
03:18:44,880 --> 03:18:47,720
finance committee so now I ask a motion

4064
03:18:47,720 --> 03:18:51,120
to recess until 5:30 next Monday sove

4065
03:18:51,120 --> 03:18:55,760
all in favor I thank you so much have

4066
03:18:55,760 --> 03:18:58,720
weekend questions as usual there is

4067
03:18:58,720 --> 03:19:02,510
standing there he's not going

4068
03:19:02,520 --> 03:19:15,710
home yes that's what

4069
03:19:15,720 --> 03:19:45,630
saying

4070
03:19:45,640 --> 03:30:41,930
e e

4071
03:30:41,940 --> 03:30:45,019
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