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I'd like to call the orders to connect
the city council committee meeting for
Monday October 21st
2024 and our first committee is Public
Safety I'd like to call the Public
Safety Committee to order we have two
items on the agenda tonight first of
which is the Edward burn Memorial
Justice assistance grant Fula program
local solicitation fisal year 202 for
chief good afternoon good evening uh the
city police department
is requesting acceptance of this uh
justice assistance grant ultimately we
were awarded uh the city and county was
awarded
$357 uh there's been agreed amount that
an agreed amount that the city will
accept
$55,000 and a remaining balance of $
3,711 will be used by the county
ultimately what this does this will
allow us to do rather is to use
consumables for um new evidence Tech
procedure equipment apparently there's
new technology out there and the city
possesses that we have uh use of uh like
a fighter extractor uh so anytime you
Mye pieces of fiber in either carpet or
clothing they can extract that but it
uses consumables so the $5,000 would be
used to purchase consumables as they're used up and there is no
matching funds required by the city
thank you any questions or comments for
so just to Clarity they um we use the
air equipment yes the count that the
count is purchasing and sell our cost
for the consumables but we always have
access to the equip itself that's
correct okay that's all I have any other
questions or concerns Mr Mayor my
understanding that equipment would not
be solely used for the city be made
available for other agencies within the
county so that's our portion would be
5,000 is going to go to to support our
component utilization
of
some because it's the counties
any other questions or concerns second
all in favor the next item on the agenda
is a reminder of the public hearing
regarding creating a new section 20 24
24-11 of the S city code and amending
section 228-9875
safety hearing on have motion second all
in favor
I I would like to call the finance
committee to order on the fourth item is
the fire department contract acceptance
personal protective equipments Turnal
gear Chief
Marina everyone good
evening sor
so a few weeks ago we were here to
standardize our personal protective
equipment PPE that's the turnout gear
and the council moved that forward I'm
very appreciative of that and now uh we
have put out the
bid our uh specs and we
received uh a bid from garison they were
the lowest bidder and it is for
$4,130 per set
and that would be good for one
year so I'm asking the council to uh
consider that and pass that
forward
questions see now may have a motion to
move this forward second all in favor I
thank you thank you Chief thank you next
item is restor new Grant application May
Marcy thank you Mr chairman this is a uh
the state program an exciting project
for the conversion and transition of the
old Ellis excuse me the St Claire's
hospital has been owned by Ellis
Hospital of GRE ills here uh in his role
as uh chair of Metroplex and heading up
to unified economic
development team accounted for uh
getting looking for the city's support
in turn to the application any specific
questions Mr Gill
available general questions I can answer
any question for the mayor or um Mr
Gillan other know what the mayor said
just is there anything else want to
we've been very successful in going
after restore New York grants I think
we've won seven this is the ninth round
they look for big buildings uh that have
a big impact on the community either
renovating or demolishing them everyone
knows about the central warehouse
project in Albany recently that's going
to be demolished so they're looking for
you know um large structures that create
either an opportunity or they're a drain
on a community and they need to come
down in this case we want to save the
vacant St cla's hospital it's 400,000
foot building that's a big building we
have a proven developer in place uh
they're applying for historic tax
credits to help uh Finance the project
this would be an application to the
state for a restore New York money we've
laid out the calendar uh in your the
memo that was provided that shows that
we can follow all the steps that you all
like to follow and correct procedures
and get an endorsement hopefully from
the council by the end of November we
submit the application in December we'll
work very closely with the city staff at
FX and the developer to put together
hopefully a winning a winning
application any questions on this go
ahead please uh thank you for the the
overview are these the type of projects
white seat consideration for like Pilots
yeah this is a great point I'm glad you
raised that Council uh St cla's of
course since it was built in 1949 has
been off the tax rolls it's on an 18
Acre Site uh this project would put it
on the tax rolls through a pilot that
would be uh still to be negotiated and
we'll consult with the City Finance team
and the mayor on that and all of you but
we are very excited about the
opportunity to put the buildings and the main hospital building on the tax
rolls the other Medical Arts buildings
at the campus uh which are staying open
are already on tax
rules any other question see now may
have a motion to move this item forward
second second all in favor thank you
thanks the next item is discussion
excessive waste speed
schedule what's
good evening good evening believe
everybody has a copy of the proposed
fees for bulk items um and um the we'll
call the limit on the number of bags or
gallon cans per unit in front of
you it's been presented to you for
discussion I don't know if any of you
had time to go through it if you have
any comments but
again our was fees are going up
drastically every year um pit fees the
cost of truck and garbage this is also
to address what we call the excessive
waste on on a sneer and we know we go
byy these houses that have I mean it
looks like they empty three or four
houses I put it on the curb and we take
it right now and there's no additional
charges or cost for that cost there is a
cost for that but the city is absorbing
that so this is to really look at if
people are putting an excess amount of
trash out for pickup including bulk
which are taking up a lot of room in the
trucks and adding weight to um The
Collection well you just want to touch
on the fres bag in excess of seven can
you highlight that and how that was
arriv that we discussed this in several
meetings um two council members were
present we had a committee um it was
discussed a number of times on you know
what would be the limit on the bags for
the size bags um I believe we all came
to a conclusion at first it was five 6
and then oh you know I got a lot of
garbage at 7 I mean I don't where you
want to end we can go to 9 but we've got
to have a point where it's reasonable
and um you know there are some studies
done by EPA and how much trash an
average person puts you know out in a
day um and we came to six and then we
grew it to seven being a little bit
generous I think um some of the U
meetings I went to on some of the
neighborhoods when they said seven bags
some people said that's an awful lot of
garbage it is seven bags and garbage
or 145g can so that means if there's a
two family unit it's 14 bags um or two 4
gallon cans and for a three unit you got
21 bags or three some people have asked
okay well what if put nine bags in my
can well if you don't fill a bag that
hard the can still holds nine bags it's
nine bags but it's the can or seven full
bags um so it was discussed in several
meetings and this is what we came out
with
um can you talk a little bit I I I see
the handout um that's in here but um
have you thought at all about how you're
going to promote this to residents of
what what some of the methods might be
Ben discussed just preliminary at some
of the neighborhood meetings would come
out as a soft start I we're just not
going to start you know writing
violations immediately um we'd have to
do a soft start we have to do a lot of
promotion you know there's a lot of work
to put this out um couple of things that
we discussed was um it's almost like the
permit fee um if you're going to build a
deck do some work in your house you come
to see Hall the sheet that you have it's
sort of an Excel simple Excel sheet you
get six items you fill it in it's going
to calculate the cost you come down the
room nine do the sheet just like you do
in codes you go upstairs for receips you
pay for it come downstairs we give the
appropriate stickers you put it on on we
schedule for the next pickup um the SPL
on there so would always go to the
property owner um unfortunately
tenants we we have no recourse to you
know to um you know get that bill paid
so we go to the homeowner um and if not
paid obviously if we be an MDB it would
be
ly go ahead please so in terms of um and
I wasn't there for the final decision
I'm sting so in terms of who's going to
keep track of the bags and how you're
going to you know how it gets reported
or let's say someone puts out eight bags
and seven is the number so how does that
get counted and then what happens with
that excess bag and how does it get
charged for I don't think we're going to
step on everybody's toes for one bag
once in a while okay all right five
extra
bags we have four new officers are out
on a daily basis plus two three
supervisors for which they'll go to the
property they'll photo it um house
there's an address on the house so it's
documented and that on property law will
be issued at MVB for the additional
waste we're not going to leave it on the
street it's got to be picked up we all
know that's the one you know function
and operation in the city has to be
complete every day uh we can't go back
tomorrow and repick it up we'll fall too
far behind so it will be picked up so
it's not left for you know neighbors to
complain about um but it would be a
violation as you know as any other the
day when people put their trash out
before 2:00 I you know we wrote a number
of them today because you know uh
have um you know 9:00 this morning for
tomorrow's pick up so um the way to do
this is enforcement if you don't enforce
things nobody's going never follow the
rule so follow in terms of billing you
want to touch on that quarterly the
suggestion is to build quarterly for
this rather than building every we we
wouldn't build it's really on the me
it's it's sort of like if you're in the
suburbs you know if you have a bulk
items you call ahead part a trash
collector and say I've got some material
out there they'll schedule a day when
they may have two people on that truck
or not they'll you know the property
owner will come down here whether he
makes arrangements with his tenant um
tell us they have X items to pick up or
you know this we'll fill out and on that
sheet you'll see that there's a pickup
date so normally it would be the next pickup um you know if they came
in
10:04 you know on a Thursday may not be
Friday's pickup it may be the following
Friday but we would tell them have it
out on this date it'll all be picked
up so for the ones who doesn't have that
doesn't have what you know online or
come into City Hall and have those
stickers and just put it out like that
to the C would that be picked up and
then build y we we're not going to leave
anything on the curve as we do right now
we're going to pick it up but the
property owner will be
built well that's the proposal that we
would continue to do that the final
decision sto and what the city council
adopts in the modified
code go ahead please so the bill if it's
say a
refrigerator and they didn't come down
and get the sticker so you build them is
it the same amount or is it increased
because they did not come down in De am
same amount we do have administrative
fee we ration $50 that's in the city
code currently but again if it's up to
city council want on to the neighborhood
meetings it's only been discussed it's
still a decision with the council and if
you if you leave it there or you don't
come down and you pick it up and there
is
no bill for it and I don't know why
we're proposing this week smells W
anyway I mean this is to sort of curtail
the offenders that are just putting
there all the time people who are
bringing trash in from outside the city
because they have Apartments here and
they're leaving in front of their
apartment buildings because it's free
pickup beer and the reason for the
question is if I don't come and get a
sticker you going to take it anyway
building it so why am they going to come
down here and because based on that
you're still going to get an
administrative fee so it's going to be
more money all right there's still
administrative Fe attached to violations
within the C code so if you choose to
there would be a violation plus the
pickup go ahead please you you brought
up a good point about people bringing um
garbage from outside the city so um for
if someone I mean what if someone from
outside the city just brings trash in
front of my house and we have no way of
knowing unless you go through the
garbage that it wasn't my
trash and so how do we and then it
becomes between the homeowner or the
renter and the either the garbage um the
nuisance inspector or the city like to
determine who really put that trash
there but we do go through the trash and
we look for mail okay but yes it does
happen in fact people come in and drop
it on the city property normal places
are on wad Street shelting Avenue the
Alleyways it happens on our own property
and it may happen um and I believe law
can answer that because the one time I
was informed that it's presumed if it's
in front of your house it is yours and
that was the last um advice I got from
Corporation Council fire new coration
Council um I don't think it's going to
happen every day on a daily basis but
there's a possibility it's going to
happen happen um we pick up trash all
over the city that's just left in random
places and you know it it it
happens it's not a perfect
system go ahead please Mr lean um what
was sort of the general reaction from
the neighborhood associations and thank
you for going to all the neighborhood
associations to talk about this it was
taking well a lot of the um neighborhood
ass realize that there are a lot of
properties that are just access and you
know to go back to your question
is you know we might get a bag or two or
an odd item that someone dumps but it's
really going after the um viors who put
just excessive amounts of waste on and I
don't think they're going to bring
trailer loads or truck loads into
somebody's house and start just
unloading it they'll probably get
noticed you're going to have once in a
while some point dump a TV or a single
item in some of these I work some of
these houses but to get back to you they
did take it uh good um one of the things
was a better way of maybe addressing how
get the stickers um and it's something
that was discussed can be done online um
you know there's things we can look at
um some say it may be an inconvenience
to actually come here and you know
purchase stickers but again if you think
about it you know and you say okay hey I
got a slow day today I'm going to run
over the see Hall I'm going to just grab
a dozen stickers just Happ for the year
that's they're there you know you can
call in there's things we can do but we
have to start somewhere or we're just
going to continue to pick up excessive
amounts of waste and never get to a uh
an
end go ahead did we try something this
similar to this um was there anything
similar to this
Tri back a few years ago not since I've
been here I mean I know we did the the
big push on um recycling years ago and
we all know recycling is now
you can add about $500,000 to you know
our waste expenses because of recycling
because you know 4 years ago was
absolutely free it is not fre them we
you've heard me say before we pay more
to get rid of and dispose of our
recycles than we do our nsw so um
there's almost a half a million dollars
in additional cost just on
newy and so could you tell us which
neighborhood associations that you've
been to and also for those cuz
neighborhood associations some of them
don't have large turnout so what is the
prop plan to reach people who don't ever
go to Neighborhood associations or don't
engage in that way in the community
obviously if you make a decision on what
we do and how we finalize it it's going
to be you know um media it'll be on our
website um I imagine put it in the
newsletter um the paper maybe on the
news it has to be you know there's going
to be a a program to reach out to
everybody I'll continue to go to
Neighborhood meetings they have their
websites they've been they can share it
through their some of them have
newsletters um but I've been to the
stock aade I've been to B I've been to
uh the G plot and the North
End uner Union Chris was there yeah and
one night um I had a special meeting um
for the GE there'll be meetings at the
same time and a budget meeting so I I
couldn't get all three places so up for
Union so it's five chis Chris Chris did
a presentation to on that and uh at the
one meeting um the representative from
Sun was there and she was going to
um spread the word a little to goe so I
was thinking like um this is probably
going to be something that people will
with our best efforts of kind of
educating people and get trying to get
the word out that we'll see the real you
know once we start to implement it um
then people will start saying oh I
didn't you know I was unaware whatever
but I think that's kind of just what the
natural progression of this is going to
be until people to it become kind of a
norm so I was thinking um I don't know
if this was discussed but you know
something like um so as we begin to
implement it we see that person has
eight bags so it's you know a couple
more bags than what they should have or
you know eight or nine bags and it's
like instead of maybe the violation at
that point then maybe something goes in
the door to say hey this is a almost
like a warning well was to do a soft
stop which we don't we we know
implementing something like today we
start running a bu violations isn't
going to help um it'll be a soft start
and there will probably be some just
reminders okay they don't like alert you
warnings but a reminder that you know
City implemented a new garbage structure
and you know it may take you know maybe
60 days or 90 days I don't know for
people to acclimate it but we're not
looking to just say starting today we're
going to start writing all these
violations of heights there's going to
be a soft start um to bring this program
on
board Miss sorry thank you Mr chairman
again my thoughts on this are the
council can move in a timely manner we
normally do the distribution of the
garbage schedules on a voluntary or
handout basis this year we would look to
do a for of a direct mail or making sure
not only the garbage schedule but the
new criteria is delivered to each and
every pickup point then as Paul's
outline Mr Farley's talked about is
doing almost a no penalty enforcement
period so people might get some type of
citation saying that you're doing this
wrong but there's no penalty you've got
to be in compliance and as he saying 60
days days 90 days as we educate people
and uh find tune the
system thank you so I I I appreciate all
the time that a lot of people have put
into this and I will say that we're one
of the only large municipalities in the
area that hasn't implemented um some
type of structure for uh putting bulk
items out at the at the curb um when we
were in these um talks I um always asked
about the uh as I call them the
connected2 family that are cut into uh
two three four Apartments um and uh you
know maybe only on the books as a two
family um I I would really like to see
some uh housing sales pulled and and and
code just checking into um the amount of
apartments that are in some of these
buildings that are putting out a lot of
excessive trash um another thing is you
know we just had a holiday
um last week so you get maybe an extra
day of trash which flows into your seven
bags now being 10 bags or whatever so um
I had originally asked the committee for 10 bags and we kind of cut back on
that um and as far as trash bags I mean
we only use 13 galon trash cans in our bags in our kitchen but then you
can put out 735 gallon bags but these
are 13 G yes so there only the seven
yeah it's listed on here seven 13 gallon
bags I I thought I saw 35 okay so and
again as as as I say I mean there's just
two of us that live in my house and a
lot of times I put out you know I have
six just for two of us uh being that we
cook all the time um and and we do
create a a lot of trash um but I would
like to see you know I I I don't want to
see and I I'm not calling this people
being penalized by any means but um you
know and repeated at our meetings my
mother-in-law put out a can of trash
this big um as a single senior woman um
and then if she wants to throw out a
lamp she just you know they have to add
to this I mean
there's and I understand it needs to be
done um I I understand if we addressed
this last year um we wouldn't even be
having this discussion because for 30
some odd dollars per unit everything
would still be being picked up um but I do realize the importance of of these
bulk uh items being put out and a lot of
individuals abusing the
system and we would be cognizant of
certain holidays and we know we know the
month of November coming up people get
confused there's four holidays and you
know Thanksgiving is going to generate a
lot of trash so there's some common
sense that we have to use too um you
know that you know on a Monday after the
long than evening weekend if there's two
extra bags I think you know
we have to work things in a little
differently but but I mean I I understand that all this we we
worked it out over and over and over
again in in our meetings and we we
really tried um I also I also thought of
scales uh on on trash trucks so when
you're picking up a bulk curb side um
you know it gets weighed and build out
so I I I still think I and I know that
you know we have we need to increase our
Revenue but I I also think that there's
still more that can be done on how we
can put this out and and again it's not
going to be fair for everyone I realize
that but try to make
it if I can here's two things the scales
will never work no to to outfit the
trucks our debt service would increase
so much we have to raise a lot of rates
to begin with okay and then trying to
way everything that's on a curve we
better double our overtime across the
board and hope that they want to stay in
work um it just uh you know logistically
would not work on the side where the
people who put out maybe one or two bags
um again if you're in the suburbs you're
going to buy one can that's what they're
going to charge you for whether you put
one bag in it or you put all seven bags
in it you're going to pay there's got to
be a a baseline to everything and um I
appreciate the time you put in and and
Mr mic who who worked in trash who was
very knowledgeable we reached out to
anyone who has uh U commercial
um um suburbs who have it and you're
right it's one can top Clos same with
recycling um so I I I know that
something needs to be implemented I do
and
um go ahead please so I'm glad you
brought that up Mr Toro I was going to
ask I imagine you were one of the the
key people who are part of this
committee from start to finish is that
correct I started it yes and then with
this proposal like you take credit and I
do not take credit for this prop like
your feedback and comments are reflect
in this document is that not correct
some of them are yes so I would say in
some of your reservations are you not
confident in what you presented I think
that would be the cause for pause at
least for myself so do you feel good
with this I wasn't part of the final
presentation that Mr Leon's been going
to neighborhoods and presenting so there
are maybe some of my ideas in there but
no I am not presenting this to you Mr
Willam so does this document not reflect
the conversations that you initiated or
I had part in some of these initiations
I I again put 10 out 10 bags on the
table versus seven um Miss Porterfield
sat there uh for most of the meetings as
well so yeah so of your discussions what
percentage would you say this reflects
those
discussions um we talked about pricing
for units on you know for whatever both
might put out and again I brought
forward constantly what I just brought
forward again was the amount of
apartments in the city that that aren't
regulated that need to be looked into um
so they're putting out you know three
times the amount of trash uh I I always
brought up my mother-in-law's little
tiny can and now all of a sudden you
know she might have a mattress that goes
out and and and a couple of other things
and she's at $50 or she begins to get
her stickers now it's $100 when had we
addressed this properly um I don't think
we'd really be going through any of this
and I appreciate you raising so getting
into my two questions that was a good
point so your comment was if we raised
fees to the $35 that was proposed last
year this would be a new point we
wouldn't have to address this issue now
I would say at this present time with
the proposed fee increases there's been
no push back at least from myself so
would that not address this issue at
least this year so wouldn't this not be
a topic of concern based on your comment
I'm sorry I don't understand your
question if we raise fees is this an
issue um how much are you proposing to
raise the fees this year I would say the
mayor proposed $52 per year which
exceeds the $35 from last year so if
we're trying to just repeat the cost of
increasing municipal waste
my concern is if you change too much we
can't evaluate the efficacy of any one
change so that's one of my cautions but
then also to your other issue which I
drew an issue to your rental
certificates with families being
miscategorized isn't there a considered
effort from like code enforcement to
make sure properties are what they say
they are so if that's a concern I think
that is also an area we need to make
sure we address this to the point if
buildings are misidentifying themselves
we have to make sure we right side that
issue well the buildings are not
misidentified it's when people do the we
Warrior thing and wejust their buildings
to something we're not aware of and they
don't come in and get their proper
permits so we don't know what's like
them so when they convert a a two unit
to a three unit or a four unit we're not
always made aware that not everybody
comes to the City Hall against the
building permit and follows the
procedure and a couple of things is yes
the
you know if you if you rais the fee just
across the board um that's going to
address everybody pays the same you get
you it's not going to address the people
who are still taking advantage of it and
putting out the big buls of trash the
whole point of this is to address the
people who are putting the excessive
amount of trash out in the bulk items
and they answer the question about a
mattress I think for a hun you know I
think the mattress on a queen says is
$10 so you can put out a whole bedroom
array for about $45
and I don't know I don't buy new
mattress every month but I don't buy a
sofa every couple weeks so it's very you
know most people keep these for 20 years
um but again you have a a straight base
feed adjustment and I as I spoke earlier
we've seen an increase of a half a
million dollars cuz just recycle we
never paid for recycle we're paying a
half a million now for just
recycle so that might address some of
our cost that are going up just
naturally but we still have to address
the cost of the people who are just
putting out you know boatloads of
material along their property and just
paying a modest view for it and so just
closing comment I think that's why it's
important to be intentional with our
words so the $35 increase proposed last
year just raising that would not have
addressed this
issue it
the me yeah I I you know until we get
some data on what we're picking up we've
never gathered data we pick up we do
know that you know we call them you know
the jackpots and the truck pulls up and
it takes you know another truck to come
over and syst
so you know the whole point is
addressing you know the people who are
putting you know 15 20 bags and cans
emptying their you know their rental
units because somebody moved out but
they don't want to pay for a dumpster
they just put it outside cuz C he takes
it for
free well let's just be clear my
proposal so last year's budget was a $52
increase it was a dollar a week last
year again we had to
get uh people to continue to work
here uh Jud with the council we gave the
drivers pay raises to just stay
competitive not only with other
localities but with Private Industry and
so there's an expense here and right now
it's all random there is no way that I
can manage this and build in operational
efficiencies with the structure that's
in place today and what is on the code
what I've told you before it's in the
code nobody in the city's compliant it's
much easier to do the enforcement it's
just $50 a day will be the fine
basically for
everybody my garbage is not
compliant the code says clear bags I'm
using white garbage bags I can't find
clear bags
and just to address it when this was
brought to us um last year into the
budget it was discussed as excessive
garbage jackpot so it wasn't I don't
think um we discussed all these um what
we call it these bulk items here was
discussed last year it's more of
addressing excessive garbage last year
and you're correct Mr Mard
the jackpots is the staff coins to turn
is a
clear situation that has Universal
acceptance those are wrong and incorrect
but where do you draw the line it is a
far more complex analysis from people
who may only be putting out one or two
bags there are people who do very good
uh you know we don't do Source
separation anymore but the single stream
versus uh MSW and how do you put in
place something that is fair Equitable
and
manageable so so um there's seven um CH
gallons trash bag for one container so
if I were to have two two cans out there
with seven bags is that a violation
would that be a violation well it's a
single unit yeah you're you're either
given you know seven bags tied sitting
at the curb or one 45g can now you can
take your seven bags and put it in the
can if you want to keep a nice meat you
know backyard
and it's your choice I mean some people
could fit maybe nine or 10 bags in in a can if they'll fill them all the
way but it's it's either or it's 145g
can or seven bags a lot of people don't
cans they just bring their bags up they
said I'm at the curb and if they're
seven bags we're going to take of stole
the discretion of the council there
would be two
cans one would be for MSW one would be
for recycl what I was trying to get at
if I I'm going to use myself as an
example if I were to have two garbage
can with seven bags one has four one has
three in would that be compliance no in
if if what you are looking at right now
it's either or you get 145 gon can or
seven bags or you double it or triple it
for the units but after three units then
it's a commercial City Cod okay go ahead
please okay so I was thinking that maybe
we need to make I think we're saying
there's a an important distinction
that's not being made here so I think
last year if I remember the conversation
correctly it was primarily around these
jackpots and it was um um The View oh
sorry sure no no what I remember so so
um and it was it was primarily around
the jackpots and but my uh my
recollection it wasn't just me and other
members of the council were saying well
when you have people you know such as
your mother-in-law who's putting out you
know one bag of garbage you know pretty
consistently maybe a lamp or something
like that we don't want because the
neighbor down the street is putting down
a putting out a couch and 25 bags of
garbage that shouldn't increase her
because she's you know making reasonable
Cho choices and you know we don't want
to negatively impact um her as far as
the jackpot so that's one issue then the
other issue is just the increase of cost
and the increase of Labor and that is
something that will be addressed be via
you know increasing the fees all across
the board but I think that a lot of
times in that conversations those issues
were getting conflated and even maybe so
now the point being that the fee
structure is for is to try to manage
some of these jackpots that's happening
and then propos increases is for the
general am I correct about that okay
thank you the cost of the operation Pap
garbage and tip fees fuel oil
maintenance on the vehicles cost of new
vehicles that all goes up our benefits
go off the Union as the mayor spoke you
know there were some increases to keep a
competitive working in the trash it's a
hard job they're out there no matter how
cold it is how wet it is how much snow's
on the ground um to get their pay up
with regards to where it Us and other
communities that covers that they see
but now you got to look at the people
who are increasing it even more because
they're just taking advantage of what
they're putting out there because right
now it's there's no
so to your point would know that
wouldn't have addressed what we're
talking about and I think so and the
other thing is you know Mr turo I think
you your concern around like the
apartmentss and to your kind of Weekend
Warriors I think one of the positive
byproducts of this will be those places
might be more easy to identify for C
because now we'll pull up we say listen
you got this is a two family house and
you're giving me you know six units
worth of trash you know that might be
some indicators where we can start
communicating maybe that makes us more
effect move work more efficiently within
our Cod Department nuisance officers
will generate a notice and we can give
it to codes to do an inspection to see
that they put in extra two apartments
that we wen't aware of there we go thank
you and mayor whenever this is roll out
we intend to have online service so
people can purchase stickers online
we're looking at all those scenarios
would you maybe be able to purchase in
local stores so there would be a
neighborhood convenience uh one scenario
is that we might mail out
a couple of stickers to everybody at the
beginning of the year so you get
some uh there's an assumption you're
going to have something that's going to
exceed the limit that still the
prerogative of the city council to
actually Implement that or put it in
code and then we'll manage it going
forward go ahead please so mayor you
brought this up about the flare and
translation bags and I see that there's
no change within the code but as you
stated they're difficult to find so if
we're going to do this I I think that we need to also address the part of the
code that can't that can't that people
can't comply with because they don't
have the ability to comply with as
opposed to changing all this and then
somebody puts it out in the black bag
they're like well it's not clear not
only do you have eight they're black so
we would need to address that part of
the code to um section
1614h number one uh there's that and
then um Mr lefon you said that we never
collected data on this so
how how is it that we're coming to this
without ever having ever having
collected data and um similar to what
Mr uh Mr manini T the other day did we
do a cost benefit analysis because now
we're talking about putting the stickers
in stores we're talking about increasing
staff time to do some things one of them
is counting bags I know it's nuisance
officers but still that's an added um
responsibility that they don't currently
have so is this going to is it are we
getting it more than we're putting out
in terms of this no I think no matter
what we do we're going to benefit going
forward because right now we're not
doing
anything so you know you look at you
know data we'll start looking at data
because now we're we we we know that
when we're out you know we have
everybody's sing you know the excessive
waste has certain you know properties
here and there all throughout the city
every
neighborhood you know we don't record it
but as we start doing this you know
there will be that because people will
be coming in and buying it we'll know
now if somebody is you know in violation
or needs to get a warning notice um we
can start keeping track of it um but
again it's just been you know a rule of
the city that if it's on
the you know now we know what we're
taking is six bags or 145 gallon can and
you know since the stuff will be paid
through you know uh munist or municity
um it'll be tracked so when people come
in for for tickets we'll know hey we we
sold X number of um tickets and the
revenue was this but we don't know now
when we pull up the guys go out they
want to get the job done they're putting
the bags in they're putting B items in
they're putting you know you'd be amazed
at how much um little child Furniture we
get once children outow the little tiny
top stuff the plastic stuff just goes
out on the curve and it's just going
into the trash um you know it just it
just goes as normal day trash we don't C every item we're picking
up and to address your point if you turn
to the next page um on the draft
legislation and right almost in the
middle of the first
page um your point is addressed there in
terms of the um plastic bags it's being
renamed it's still in there we didn't
there was no suggestion for changing
that there is a suggestion here on the
line B in plastic Refuge B section two
yes clear or trans refuse B we go down
to the underlying section
one all residential solid
ways it's in that section there so it
doesn't have to be clear any longer that
is correct as for this dra
so there was some I thought I heard
somebody say
something well so now we are going to a
public heing this yeah I will just ask
mrri just brief us on the on the draft
here so that we can we have question I
do have one other question um and
obviously I'm not remember correctly I
thought that we settled on 32 gallon but
it's 45 45 and is there in terms of the
staff and we you talk to be4 about the
you know how heavy it could be and if it
rains and stuff gets inside so people
have to
have cans that have tops right but we we
prefer cans to have tops but we all know
that LDS disappear
um windy days we know and the one thing
with trash bags when they're tied and
the trash is in them they they stay in
the bag the problem is we have a lot of
Home properties that put their trash out
then they carry the loose trash and set
on top of the bag going in a hurry just
blown down you know it's just you know
we talk about in our meetings it's the
same cardboard our code says cardboard
supposed to be broken down and tied
mhm I probably got just as many
violations as we did with no clear bags
um you know with the amount of boxes
people receive now through Amazon and
everything else they're just putting you
know boxes on the curtain they're all over the place I mean you
know we want to Pride ourself on the
city we want to be you know as clean as
we can be and we've got to start
somewhere and one of it is we put out
the trash shouldn't be tied Force the
Cod should be in bags or going to use a
can the top should be on it U but we got
to prevent the lit from just rolling
and cardboard is not part of this new
free structure well cardboard is not
cardboard is considered rable and but in
the city code it's supposed to be broken
down made Flat and tight and we all know
going down the street and yard was is
not part of this also yard waste is just
strictly yard waste we continue to pick
up yard waste and buy varable bags SE
says um to the mons that's listed in the
city c um that goes to the count um yard
facility you know there are fees
involved with that we don't we don't
dispose of our stuff there for
free uh just one of my final comments uh
I appreciate the presentation and the
dialogue around the table sincerely um I
think my biggest concern is just having
in adverse impacts on um disadvantaged
um households for U frequently dis
disenfranchised I think My worry is
again to Mr Toro's point like I I can
actually speak for myself there are some
Le where you have a lot of bags other
weeks where you don't and my fear is who
was that discretion up to if the focus
is on jackpots so I don't know if
there's a way to write in to legislation
our Focus area is on the excessive 12 to
15 range however to mayor's point we
need to actually Define what is
appropriate but I'm in agreement with
having a no penalty enforcement I think
there also needs to make there needs to
be a considered effort with how do we
get feedback from the community um so I
think we need to uh focus on that uh as well I give you an
example my sons live outside the city
and they have you know one can for
recycle one private pickup he's got too
much garbage stays in the garage because
next week he hopefully doesn't have as
much and he goes into the camp um you
know it's how it's done outside it's in a private sector private world
you know I got four extra bags well I
know he's not going to take it I leave
it next to can they help get out because
they have the war on them truck so it
stays an extra week and he gets it in um
you know I
mean we have a rule if if it's designed
on and we sort of stick by the best we
can you know there is a soft start um
but you know if you start letting
everybody go it's two bags this week
well it's three next week then I don't
know goe I'm sorry I'll shut up after
this I
promise I I would push back on that and
say it's a privilege to have a garage um
and then also just my comment for the
record would be I'm strongly opposed to
based on my one I will agly Define on
comment my one ride along with the uh
Municipal Solid Waste crew I will never
do another one again I SW for weeks what
they do is impactful and it is not easy
um I am opposed to any additional work
being attributed to them what our
loaders and drivers do already please
correct me if I'm wrong it is laborous
for a reason and I would want their
focus to be on
loading the trash and driving those
Vehicles safely and soundly and I think
we identify any other administrative
work to go to that that could alter that
the administrative work um you
know they're picking it up now so
whether they pick up seven bags and if
that's what is decided with the council
pick up the seven bags going if
nothing's done and they go to the house
and there's 47 bags and three counes
they're going to pick it up anyway
because that's what we do um the
administrative were the guys picking up
that work like doing administrative work
I have four supervisors and I have four
nuisance officers and if we're running
short I'm out there Mr one is out there
um but we have management staff that's
out there to assist these issues
document thingses um the burden wouldn't
be on the drivers or the labor loaders
that are actually loading the garbage
start start taking pictures and you know
adding another they've got a l like you
said and they work very hard to do what
they do thank you I'll
I I I just want to be clear that I know
this is necessary
um and uh to make a point of uh
commercial uh trash pickup uh my
daughter's friend that took her almost a
month to get rid of her uh children's
boxes from Christmas last year because
she had to you know break everything
down put in the garage fill the can you
know the next week whatever whatever so we've been very fortunate
um up to this point of being able to to
get rid of all of our trash in the way
that we have but again um we need to be
start start being uh you know a little
bit more conservative and and um maybe
even uh little uh piles in our yard
compost piles of food scraps um things
like that so um again it's it's now one
thing I think some of you come back to
me and said that they've seen an
improvement based on our nuisance office
is going out and addressing the early
hours absolutely and the reason we saw
that Improvement is we've been writing
violations because you know we write
them and people are being educated that
it's got to be 2:00 or
later just follow to Mr Williams
Point his points which are correct but I
believe that as we go through this it's
actually going to reduce our waste
stream because today we have so many
people that are taking advantage of it
because there are no rules in place and
again I'm trying to not do too much at
once even though we had a robust
discussion a year ago about this if you
go back the prior year in my budget
message I again referenced jackpots in
that so it's been two years to get us to
this point if we go to and I'm not
suggesting this it's just hypothetically
that some Community might want to go to
standardized sizes for
cans and then we can automate the arms
on the garbage
trucks which uh other municipalities
were they've done that reduces their
workman's comp
cases and so it's how do you again build
that efficiency in have rules in place
that make sense to people and we really
still have a uh a great system here the
transfer station the city owns and we uh
have advantaged by an outside contractor
is available for people uh not only
within the city but in the region who
can go and dump there so if you have uh
MSW you can go in uh if you have cndd
material you can go in and then there
are also private companies immediately
adjacent to that site who do a lot of
recycling so if somebody has paper if
they have metal Goods so they can go
down there and actually get a little bit
of money for uh the material that
otherwise might just be treated solely
as
garbage I just ask Mr Brian just a brief
us on the
dra I know there there's been a lot of
comparison to the suburbs versus the
city but an urban area versus suburbs
most of the people out there are
homeowners we're we're dealing with a
lot of renters in the city so I don't
know that can necessarily kind to try to
um apply the same thing but I mean I
live in I don't have a garage people in
the city do but and maybe many people
that are homeowners in suburbs and
surrounding areas have garages that
doesn't apply so I want to be careful
that we're not trying to compare
ourselves to a municipality or a
surrounding area even within the SK
County that this it's not going to be
the same kind of
thing I was sitting here at the
inspection report since the mayor
mentioned the transfer station the state
inspected our transfer station today and
um it was all satisfactory no violations
and nothing there so our contract
operator trans
station I I do want to say that uh the
city of Troy did buy chance for every
resident um you know oh yeah so the city
no no no I I know we're not suggesting
that but we did have AR funds but again
their trucks now can uh use the one arm
to to empty things and and I know Mr
Leon reached out to troit again and the
committee we we did reach out to every
municipality that was Amsterdam Troy UDA
um H just just recently so again we're we're moving in in a direction
where you know we need to go um but I
think there's a little bit of work that
the council can still do so and that's
why we're here we're here discussing it
to move forward because um it's added in
the 2025 budget the revenue associ with
this increase Mr Brian can you just
brief us on on the changes of draft
legislation
um thank you Mr chairman uh in your
packets this week uh you've gotten a
rough rough outline working draft of the
sections of the code there's going to be
various sections of the code that
they're going to have to be uh amended
the new materials underlined at the
bracket materials taken out um we've
already talked about the size of it the
garbage cans and the plastic bags um
based on follow Mr fund mentioned
earlier and the concerns council members
um there's a 164-1 n it's not all the
way in there but it's uh penalties for
offenses subdivision one that will be a
grace period uh following the effective
date of the amendments to this chapter
this is language that was in the
original chapter 161 when they enacted
it there was a there was a vision of a
grace period put in the original chapter
161 um this is um going along with that
uh the original uh 161 grace period but
updating it uh when there shall be only
a verbal written warnings issued to
violators of this chapter during this
time period from the effective date of
the Amendments which would be January 1
uh uh to the enforcement date of April
1st there shall be an intensive program
of notification education on amended uh
procedures and Associated fees
so it's mandating the city to go through
a a procedure for the first four you
know 3 months uh uh before any sort of
enforcements going in and that's really
language that was from the original
chapter 161 when that was enacted so
just updating that and applying it to
this particular case it was en Vision
when this uh this chapter was put in
that there would be a it would have to
be an education perod and that's just
updating it for these
amendments um
as uh also we're looking at various
sections of
161 D Article Five is really the fee
based uh system of collection of solid
waste and recyclables Article Five of
chapter 161 is the the fee schedule that
we've been discussing as far as the fees
to all residencies this is kind of this
is uh going into greater detail than and it's in there right now besides
going once again for the sides of the
cans and the the plastic bags it is
trying to wrap it my it is dealing with
that issue of excess res residential
Solid Waste or bulky items it's it's
dealing with the if it's more than what
it is said here then it's then those
fees will be in place those stickers
will be required so um that is said
setting forth was the schedule um
dealing with the the schedules we saw
separately that are also part of this um
Furniture couches
Etc um and then Property Owners May
purchase excess uh residential Solid
Waste stickers to fix to their items
there was a discussion of $5 per sticker
that's just a that's in there if the
council wants to change it that's up to
then stickers will be available at the
city clerk's office and the department
General Services office
right now that's just for discussion
purposes if everybody's okay with that
as we go forward that can stay in there
um and then each property owner be
issued free excess residential solid
voice stickers each calendar year once
again that can be adjusted that's just
you know for discussion purposes if you
want to come back and amend it
um and then it goes through other
sections that are not being amended and
then dealing with the issue is of uh the
depositing of public collection for
public collection of solid waste not
originating in the city shall be
considered an unclassified misdemeanor
that's under
16126 penalties for offenses creating a
new paragraph D indicating that if that
is done then there'll be a fine up to
$1,000 or up to 100 day 180 days per per
occurrence so that's upping the the
people who may be bringing trash you
putting the penalty to that
particular uh
violation so the way ahead the way ahead
is you've got a working draft in front
of you you've got the permits uh the the
schedule of fees that Mr lefon uh gave
you last week as well you can call for a
public hearing which would be on uh
November 12th Tuesday November 12th if
you put it on for these this working
draft plus the the schedule of fees that
fond put together can be posted on the
city's website for for comment so at
that public hearing on the
12th um you that would be the time
period for public comments on this at
Citywide and then this would come back
to the uh committee uh for final action
uh so uh that's the way ahead um this is
just a working draft it's it's it's
indicating those areas of the code that
need to be changed and uh and dealing
with the plastic bags and the excess
solid waste and the fee schedule and uh
so really based on that it's it's a it's a public hearing on this on the
fees and then any sort of amendments
changes whatever you know after the
public hearing you can adjust
accordingly Mr I just want to touch on
16124 um the U EX sorry 25
exemptions yeah those exemptions are not
being changed the exemptions that are in
the current ordinates are not being
changed so any person because of age or
disability etc those the exemptions that
are in the C current uh code are not
being
changed um so uh that was the original
uh section was put into place when the
uh the garbage fees as a separate item
in the in the in the city budget was
created back some years ago so that was
the original language
so any question go ahead please so in
the um in the changes that you
highlighted in in in that are
highlighted in yellow so we're talking
about seven days right seven seven is
the number now that was that was the
consensus once again that you can have
that's just is a proposal that's a
proposal and that can Beed it says six
in here that's my point
okay
that's and in the places where it talks
about it it says that they first of all
that there could be two containers and
my understanding that can only be one
and then it says that um no more than
six plastic bags so I just want to make
sure if we're putting this out for
public hearing that it's consistent to
what we're
discussing residential Solid Waste shall
be placed in no more than two containers
and no more than seven 13 gon bags with
and then go further down it says six
which which one on page 74 it says
residential child is not fitting within
the containers or six
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classif no more than
seven more
than oh okay the typo got it and and
when it appears again on page 75 it's
the same it's the same paragraph okay
got it thank
you so so just going back Mr to the to
the question I asked you where we said
145 gallon 7 13 gallons of trash but if
you go to the underlining section here
section two it says two
containers and was the reason why I as
that it's it's 145 145 so we'll need to
um you know or we to Define it as a
separate container for your recycl yeah
so you just want to have one container
that's solid that's we're having this
discussion sh with no more than two
containers so it's we need to change
that to one container which number well
it's one is for MSW is
for a solid yeah but we should St we
want one container Rec one for okay so
we might have to Define change that
page 76 just to no just to be CU
recycles a different we just want to
make sure we just want to stay with
solid W yeah
okay goe last on the same page 76 last
very last sentence yes I should read fee
$15 and then in parentheses yes thank
you right at the bottom1 91 15 thank you
that would that was a holding placeold
that can be
deleted okay so we'll make not of those
um minor
Corrections align with us go ahead
please and then recommendation on page
75 I know it outlines that there will be
a grace period of 90 days can we also
include that we oversee a presentation a
report I think hearing what the nuisance
officers are seeing in the city would
help guide our recommendation whether to
proceed or
not do you want a report on
that um
Council we can put that in there I mean
that's no big what and there should be a
report from
the presented by the council by March
30th i i i a mail with that report that
we received last week when we doing
budget may have mention that that report
can be available every month to us well
that's the city if you want a specific
one performance here we do it I don't
know I don't if I want it by the end of
March probably go to April or May so we
have some soft enforcement may we'
actually started the for
enforcement thank you any other question
on the draft
legislation the changes uh that was
suggested are not to it so Mr Ryan is
going to make um those
changes that will be amended and then
sent out to and then posted City close
to
the any other question on this I do see
some clarity around the the the 45
gallons versus the 75
lb prob you go to the matter expert on
that have you had a chance to look at
that we we do have the 75 lbs in there
and that goes back from years ago just
to try and prevent injuries with the
guys with the bags most of the time you
know the guys going to pull the BS out
the sometimes they gra out the camp and
some guys want to get them quicker some
guys take their time a little bit a
little more safer um you know again if
you're if you're doing seven bags
and each bag is I don't know 15 lb or lb
they all the one can it's going to
exceed 75 lb okay and object is you just
take the bags out of the can that's what
we do now um it gets a
little spicy when you put pounds in
something or bags in something you know
everybody you know somebody may have a
lot of just light garbage it's light
somebody may have a lot of heavy garbage
a lot of people pick up their yards from
their dogs they heavy garbage
all right any other question of this all
right so we have some you will receive
the amended version with those um
recommended changes so we need to call
for a public hearing uh for November
12th council meeting motion to call for
a public
hearing all in favor thank you um thank
you thank you
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the next item is a reminder amending
section
15191
1382
13823
13843
15714 183 d10 to 10-14 of the city
ofcity code related to the increase in
set fees and adapting the building
code related to the increase set Fe
adoped building code administrative fee
schedule person section
137-7
13821 and
1381 that one of the connected DD Cod
public hearing is scheduled for October
28th this is just a
reminder the public here will be on the
October 28th next
Monday the next item is
review the 2025 proposed operating
budget and capital budget for the city
of conc we had a public hearing on
October the
15th are there any question related to
that we still have ongoing um budget um
discussion will continue um this
evening any question on this no question
just want to be noted we did have four
speakers at the public hearing okay any
other
comment the next item is review to amend
section
124-133 and 12422 of the city connected
city code increase administrative fee
regarding Force alarm call we had a
public Hearing in October the 15th are
there any question related to this
item no public hearing yes noted any
question seeing none I will call for a
motion to move this item
forward wait one
second that was the the discussion that
we were still waiting to get feedback
from police department on what these
specifically identify for the
warnings I thought we we received
that for clarification purposes did we
actually attribute a number to that I
know we reduce the amount of warnings
they would get what's the question I'm
sorry
please if you don't mind um Mr William
just repeat the question I think we had
the documents here to it
from from
EX four to
two and then I again I got the
discussion that Miss Patrick and I have
were attributing like additional fees to
increase the number of warnings um if
Miss Patrick still
isn't wanting to do that also I would
want to proceed but I think it was we
were going from 4 to2 which was an
additional cost savings and then I can
only speak for myself wanting to raise
those attributing fees for like
violation the second violation the third
violation because as we identified the uh physical and just the opportunity
cost of sending a response team has an
exorbitant like Financial implication on
the city so although we'll neverly
approve that I at least think it's more
than
$25 that was the
compensation so I I would love your
recommendation if you have one of how to
proceed but I think outside just
arbitrarily just applying a a number to
it I know that's where I stud I don't
know laid
out no there's a schedule for that laid
out in the attachment 25 for first
persistent 50 for the second 75 for the
third 125 for each and every subsequent
persistent false
alarm and I think when we discuss this
we looking at yes the Reven is going to
go up because we're reducing it from 4
to two so by having four alarm that is
free now you're going to have two so
you're you're increase your Revenue by
two years so you would say the cost of
sending two patrol cars of fire brick is
$25 well I think this this this is
specific to Burg alarms though perhaps
I'm speaking out of terms because um
speaking out of turn rather because I
don't know that uh fire alarms are
considered a false alarm and I should
probably stop there I don't know this is
just
yeah but still my point is like there is
a we have to send a response and that
response has to be worth more than
$25 and then even getting ear $25 I
think if it requires three instances to
get to that rate I think that is too
many attempts even with the reduction to
21s I would appreciate
recommendation yeah you know the
officer's time certainly valuable often
times times the fees would come um after
hours if you will so even on the
midnight shift so uh call volume is
generally lower on those
shifts you know we get into the argument
I guess is two false alarms is not a lot
especially in in a 12 month period so if
you make it so drastic I guess you get
into this you know the third alarm $300
you know is that is that is that too
much you know that's you guys who
perhaps think about but I love the idea
of reducing it from from four free to
two free um and again is the real
persistent ones that occupy a tremendous
amount of our time that is annoying so
an the teer system perhaps would would
address that and kind of make it more
Equitable for those who because they we
go there maybe once you know for false
alarm thank you so I lot of these might
be like small businesses restaurants
bars things like that that close up and
something happens so um and the police
you know come and check it out so I
think um you know after two calls and
realizing they have to pay 25 I think
they're going to probably reach out to
their alarm company and have them come
and tweak it and make sure that
everything is you know Qui aesthetic uh
as far as you know triggering how these
alarms are being triggered and things so
um so I just wanted to add that
just council members concerns we dealt
with it with two false alarms but then
there was a discussion I recall that there was a discussion that they're
supposed to come back regarding the the
fees CU right now those fees that are
highlighted is 2550 75 they're
highlighted but not changed because we
were waiting for that number um that's
so with that mind um you could table
this until two weeks and and you know
the effective date would still be
January 1st to get that full report but
it my recollection that's okay I didn't
put any new numbers into that part of
the the proposed ordinance because that
we didn't get there was a do out from
the the PD regarding additional numbers
that was my
recollection essentially comparing other
municipalities and with their R are is
that is that what we're asking for just
kind of figuring it out for the first
second and third right now it's 2550 and
how far how far to increase those
particular fees the more accurately
reflect the cost of the calls right so
right now they're at 2550 and 75
so that was the that was the discussion
and and
that's that I thought Chief Whipple was
doing some of that and he was out of
town for few
days and I thought we're going to try
and have a parallel for both police and
fire so that the Fe structure would be
the same there
are this was primarily focused on barcel
with regards to the police but we can
look at that also too I don't have an
issue table this for two weeks and come
back and then we can update the fees
because I think um yes the Fe needs to
be
addressed so um go ahead please and I
just would like to know if um when we
come back in two weeks if we have should
have a number of like for 20 23 number
of f alarms that you that the
um yeah I'm certain that Chief have had
numbers those numb were provided to us
we just need to go back and our
documents and if not we'll ask for
updated um report um so to be
clear are you asking that we look to see
what other municipality fees are is
that no we're ask for an updated um I
think the ask is for an updated report
to see where we are in terms of
collection 2023 collection and how many
number how many how many actual false
alarms did we have in 2023 do we have we
have a budget number for 23 for I'm not
sure that's doesn't reflect the number
all right we can hold this we still have
time on our side and this is going to
implement um January um we may have it
right
here if you just want the number but
again my recollection is some of the
filling both the police and fire
department is not absolute
so really reflect what the real problem
is and I always say with level of humor
and also being serious is that her
burglar alarms is the worst day is
during a thunderstorm you get high wind
stuff goes through uh the alarms trip
and there's no way that we can actually
follow up on
each call that comes
in go ahead
please
oh sorry I know over don't do
that um we do have some num
uh for 2024 as of October 2nd um bills
were sent out April 22nd $35,100 a total
of 70
invoices uh there's another batch due
out that's about 54 invoices
with with an estimated total of
27,000 I'm sorry
$2,750 owed uh there appears to be 438
loss alarms reported by the police
department this
year and about and 23 as well you have
uh this is sorry now this is 24 this is
Year and that information is up to
October 2nd I have aail of October
2nd I look at she B report confident put
numbers together and what what the
projected increase would be if we
lowered uh the number of false alarms
from from four to two so it exists I'm fairly certain of
that so let's let's let's table this for
two weeks and we'll come back with the
updated numbers and we'll come back with
a recommendation to of the um the fees
from 25 50 and 75 thank you all right so
we'll have this back on the agenda in
two
weeks the next item is
um review amend section 927 of this
conect city code issuing fees and
charges Police Department record we had
a public here another
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15 do we have any question regarding
this section and no speakers yeah and
this this fee is going up to $40 from
$20 Mr chairman if there's no amendments
to this particular you can vote it at a
committee and you vote it next week yes
is Ario any question regarding this
section I can hear what he said oh you
can vote it at a committee this week and
you can vote on it next week so if
there's no
amendments that's that's it's just that
section is done by
resolution no this is by
ordinance I thought the Fe structur no for the some things are done by
resolution this is by ordinance it's how our code is could they modify
that
for by resolution reduces the easy for
us in the future
perhaps any other question regarding
this so I would I'll ask for motion to
move um this item forward I'll move it
second all in favor all thank you the
next item is also review to amend um
amend city code 41-14 C increasing dog
license fee we had a public hearing on
the
15th any question regarding this no
speaker sh waiting for me to say
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it second all in favor I thank you the
next item is amending section 2 48-2 the
city code increasing parking violation F
we had a public hearing on the 15th
any question regarding this
item you should have a list of the
backup documents um with the old fee and
the proposed new
fees I guess I did have a quick question
which was you know with the fire hydrant
and the fire lane pass why they didn't
just keep them both the same fee or you
know raise both of them to the 115 just
seems like it would make it easier but
it's literally like $5 but I did notice
that as I was reviewing it the first
time there's some issues regarding this
the uh the state
code State the state I were I talked to
the traffic folks on this and there's
Cod to code vehicle and graffic code
caps that we have to deal with so that's
a problem
that's absolutely right there uh the
vehicle and traffic law does impose
certain maximum fines uh for certain
things other otherwise it's adopted from
the council or or the city ordinance as
to what we can what we can charge if
it's not defined in the uh vehicle
traffic law so those those areas that
were uh especially like the fire lane
and the the handicap parking in the fire
Hy morning change but the ones that
purely within our purview gotta were
changed
accordingly thank you any question just
to know there were two other item that
we discussed when we were um looking at
the Fe adjustment was the modify ex
exhaust and the um modified
speaker and um cooperation counil
looking into those two items as part of
um the noise nuisance or Mr Williams is
push power so those two item will
address at that point in time and what
we as a council can do to address those
concerns and then uh for the resolution
please correct me if for wrong we're
going to write in uh painting the fire
hydrants just to make areas more
existent to people parking and then
ensuring that the remaining
signs are
replaced I don't know if Mr chairman I
don't know if you can put that in in the
code itself but I would if that's
something that the uh Bureau service and
the fire department have to deal with u
to I for for better markings I think
there was discussion on sign signage
regarding
enforcement I think what we discussed
this
um once Whipple had uh made suggestion
that the PD was going to look at signs
and come back with a list of signs that
needs to be replaced at certain areas I
remember discuss I remember the
discussion about that yes so they are
looking at that and they come back and
work with um the sign signal
superintendent yeah I think there were
some email back and forth about that
painting The Curve too painting the
curve and addressing all the signs and
replacing the ones that is not visible
and to update all the sence pro city as
we en Force this come January and first
so there's a couple months to address
those
concerns and yes we can follow the um if
we need to to kind of find out where we
are in terms of those new signs on or
signs need to be
replaced any other
question seeing none I will motion to
move this item
forward second all in favor I thank you
finally the next item is research
analysis on employment for the city of
conc last week when we were discussing our
budget we talked about U management
raises and the suggestion for me was to
kind
of across look across the board in terms
of management raises and in terms of the
salary um managers receiver and are we
paying them are we compensating them
enough for what they're doing in terms
of their
position the question across the table
was uh we don't know so I disc
discussing with the mayor last week here
at the table was like to call for a
study to see where we are in terms of
compensation for
management and the discussion was to
move a resolution to kind of authorize
this uh this
study am I missing anything on that I
think
I go ahead I think we did also say that
we could still move forward with our
budget discussion as is and then um r
return to this you know if we needed to make any adjustments or
whatever that because we couldn't do the
market study in time to continue our
discussion that is correct yeah this
will not affect our budget 2025 budget
is more of a study to see where we are
in terms of compensation for management
yeah and that will come back to us and
then we as a council will discuss that
what do we
do so what I would like a resolution to uh carry out this study
I'll make a resolution I think we talked
about the office of Human Resources
asking the HR department second all in
favor I thank
you the next item is our continue
discussion in 2025 proposed budget I
would ask that we recess for respecting
everyone time we recess the finance
committee and we'll recall it at the end
of this um committee meeting after to
continue our budget discussion
so motion to recess the finance
committee all in favor
I I'd like to call the order City
development planning we have nine items
on the agenda uh the first item is the
discussion of sidewalk replacement em
Street and MCL Street Mr Lu thank you
madam president uh yes um talking about
sidewalk
um Mullen Street and Emon Street um
individual that submit petition
last year we were able to um identify
and um push through with Central Parkway
and now before you is the two other
streets um neighborhood sorry street
that we have mhm and I would like the
council to um recommend that we move
forward to direct the assessment office
and the Law
Department to review these petition
and to come back to the council with any
finding
whatsoever so that we can able to start
work with these um neighborhood
leaders to identify and to put things in
place so that we can get these two um
Street in for the sidewalk program for
2025
2026 go ahead please do we have an
updated one for Ms street I was
submitted in 2010
yeah we do have a couple fiction there a couple
of I see streets receiv in 2023 which is
great
yeah there's a lot of part in terms of
Adry but yes review what we have and
then we can ask them for updated um in
terms of if they are changing the
address changing name similar to what we
did in Central Parkway there people you
know changing ownership so we'll have to
reach out to the new owner and kind
asked them for the permission to sign
onto this sheet something similar we did
all of us did at um Central Parkway I
mean M it be it be M it would be fair
for us to go back and ask them to redo
all this petition they have done their job it's it's a hard process
absolutely they went out there they got
petition it's you know no fault of all
of us that it takes so long yeah it took a while for us to address it and
here we are in terms of moving forward
and to address um the sidewalk program
and then we'll review Mullen Street as
well because it's over a year and a as
well B Street will be um that is the
purpose of us moving forward to address
good thank you go ahead please so um as was pointed out there's so this is
2020 excuse me 2010 that this was done
and um so people may have moved I know
some people actually I know but some
people are no longer living living
period um so what is going to be the
process um you did kind of mention it
before about so what is going to be the
process in terms of updating it are we
going to use our our tax roles at this
point to see if who we need to go how we
going to yes correct yeah that's how um
it's done so the assessor office will print out a role theti Street and
then it will review by The Corporation
Council that's how it's done in the past
and if there if the names doesn't match
here then we'll have to go back out and
get the new owner to sign up
if they decide to go with the program
but have the community leader go back
out on help to get petition updated
petition for those um change in when
okay so that's where we're going that's
our starting place okay thank you is the
same is still the same program like a
doll 55 L whatever
okay5
was want you don't want to
same program yes same program yes I
put yeah so we'll need um go ahead
please so in asking that question of the
same program and the same cost I think
we have to look at have the cost
increase in order to do this and how
much more it's going to cost the city
and is the city going to be being are we
going to absorb the additional cost if
there is one and I imagine with
everything going up that there is or or
going to be increased in um what the
homeowner has to pay I think that those
are things that have to be considered as
we move forward with
this yeah it was one of the suggestion I
made last week in terms of the the AR
money that um we're we're hoping that
will come back to us we can able to as a
council with the mayor put some money in
that program back at that point in time
to see if we can help these uh these
areas to address the sidewalk
and yes we can address the cost at that
point in time and we move forward do we amend it and change it from $55
upward good suggestion and we we can
address that as we move
forward go ahead please I just say it's
important as we've already started kind
of allocating projects to this Aram
dollars that we haven't even received
yet I just want to make sure we're
intentional with how we're prioritizing
the conversations we're still going to
have and hopefully an
hour I'm sure would we will address that
then I think there are some capital um
money in the capital budget for sidewalk
program still some well there was some
money that was bonded for this type of
uh undertaking specifically and you were
not able to find the petition for
Raymond Street no I can't I looked all
the email and if anybody's listening if
anybody who was invol in Raymond Street
if you do have the petition please send
it a copy to
us um no uh we Serge your clerk's office
the archive all the folders all the
emails and I have been involved in the
petition from the beginning the Calk
program and I don't have a
copy unfortunately so I don't know I was
brought in
yes so whoever is out there listening
and if you have copies please reach out
to any member myself myself the mayor
and if you can hand deliver a copy we
would be glad to receive that and add
this add that remonstrate into this
program so mayor you said it was already
brought in do you know who brought it in
at the time of no yeah we ask that
question yeah because I was to go back
over directly to that person yeah so
maybe in in being on fairness we should
again go out
ourselves um people on let's find out
who who let's find out who was if you
know who was involved and maybe they I'm
sure they will have copies and they they
can they can provide a copy to us and we
can add it to this
program
yeah so do we need to move resolution or
we just no I have it's under review at
this under so you just so you will just
take it from there and review these
streets and come back to us with your
report with your report okay
perfect all right
thank you you're welcome the next item
is ceremonial resolution recognizes
musicians of Mal yes um they thank you
they will be celebrating their 25th
anniversary they are celebrating their
25th anniversary their season just
started um so this would be a ceremonial
resolution that would be given to them
next
week
Mo oh I'll second it all those in
favor uh the next item is reminder uh
establishing a temporary moratorium on
the submission and processing of
building permits certificates of
occupancy certificates of use and land
use approvals of cannabis established as
the city council considers changes to
chapter
264 um public hearing will be held on
but that date can't be correct it's 1021
1028 Madam president um if I can just
speak a moment on that real quick goe uh
I in your packets this week is the
ordinance that's that's the moratorium
ordinance it's modeled after the Vape
Shop ordinance that uh you passed
earlier this year um you'll notice that
there's uh additional definitions put in
there for cannabis establishment micro
business on-site consumptions so it's prospectively looking ahead as to
the various licenses that may come come
our way so when we're doing the review
uh of the uh the zoning code we'll be
looking at those definitions and uh uh
and
uh that at some point that'll be
incorporated into our zoning code um not
already done some of those are already
in the code from as you remember from
back in the Vape but some of those are
not like onsite consumption and micro
business for example and uh
so um if there's anything as we begin
this process I've had discussions with
the the planners in development about
the the way ahead here if you have
any areas that you would like to see
these not see these uh by way of review
real quick um the uh vape shops are in
the industrial zones M1 M2 and the
commercial zones
uh C4 and C5 um which is downtown and
the Upper State Street commercial
Corridor
um if you want you always looking to
expand some of these establishments in
the C3 Waterfront District which is the
harbor area um that area that Waterfront
development District I'm just throwing
that out there I'm not saying anything
one way or the other but um what areas
you would want that like as I said C4
and C5 vape shops M1 and M2 vape shops
if you want to have these in those areas
or you want to have them some other
areas depending on the type of
establishment based on their
definitions um please send me you know
as as a group send each other an email
to me and so we can take your concerns
as we start drafting this and at some
point
probably um November December get some
sort of working draft ordinance for you
to take a look at um start working on
that this uh this will this ordinance
will take effect on November uh your
next meeting is the 12th so it would be
the next day which would be November
13th and would go into February uh 11th
February 11th which is approximately 90
days so so it's a day certain so
everybody knows nobody's counting days
on calendars or anything like that it
says when when it's going to expire
good so I just wanted to throw that out
there for you on that point um and if I
can go on to the next one the the if I
can what's the next one meeting the the
uh the comment period for that location
on Broadway um so no okay okay just I
want I want to just say a couple things
about this one we kind of have this
discussion I just want to make sure
there's Clarity for individual ual who
will already have their license by the
state of New York right are they will
they be impacted by
this I know that there's some people who
don't have their license but have
submitted to us for our
location and what would the difference is what we can control is
pursuant to the ordinance is that if
they have filed paperwork for a
certificate of use or site plan Etc by
our start date of
November uh
12th then we have to proceed with that
okay we have to proceed with that
because they got their uh requests in
before the moror okay so they may still
be working with our working with the
Office of cabis Management but they have
submitted that um request for site plan
certificate of use any of those listed
uh items under the uh moratorium then we
have to process that all the way through
oh okay and um the other thing we as we
had had this discussion before you said
that you're going to be looking to ocm
the office of cannabis management to
make sure that what we're doing here is
not outside of what we are allowed to do
based on what their guidelines are that
that's that's correct and we got to you
know there's as you know there's certain
distances that they have put into the
regulations those are the regulations
and that's what we got to do um the Town
of Babylon as you know that was our Vape
Shop model um they had a uh they had
conversations with the office of
cannabis management and they had a uh
they U set
a a uh a distance of 750 ft from a
residential district that the office of
cannabis management was okay with so
just putting that out for an example so
as we go through this and as we really
get into the uh the details of what we need to do um
we'll give you the uh uh updates and
then if necessary reach out to office
Canabis management for for guidance on those issues but I'm just that was
something that another municipality did
in in in in working up their
code other any more any other questions
regarding this
item okay so we'll have that public
hearing on the
28th uh the next item is discussion of
ocm 30-day notice for 10 excuse me 1708
Broadway okay there we go um as part of
the application process under rule 11
19.3 um as part of the application
process that goes before the office of
cannabis management and the Bureau of
can Bureau of cannabis control um the
municipalities is afforded an
opportunity to weigh in on a particular
location
um we have a 30-day this was filed last
week this is a location
uh on Broadway I believe it's the it's
the Old Key Bank building on the top of
uh Broadway so that just to be an idea
um we have we the city as 30 days you
have take a look at it if you have any
questions concerns comments Etc um we
can
we when I'm saying we the Law Department
can funnel those questions uh to the
Office of candidas Management for their
review and uh and uh if they have we
have any concerns regarding that
location then as part of the review
process at their level they have to
address our
concerns so um right now there'll be
Friday the 15th of November is the
30-day deadline so I would you if you
have any issues concerns um we can check
back here in a couple of weeks if if you
want to discuss this
um in further detail if you've thought
about you know whatever your concerns
are and then we'll make sure we'll get
those to the uh cannabis management uh
agency before the
15th so in in terms of municipality U
replying that does not take into we
don't we don't have to do anything by
asking the public we don't have to get
public just say this is the way they
view this is know as a 30-day comment
period from the community board or for
the from the government so this is
purely a uh uh as the policy makers for
the
city giving that process so it's a very
short window um so uh so whatever
concerns you have as a group yes I don't
recall that happening um with the
opening of the one on State Street well
that they that was I'm just is this no
that was that was
actually well on its way you because but
I think as as we go through this process
mward we're we're moving forward that
this is this the clerk gets it it's
distributed it's 30-day period so I
think um as the role out of this process
has gone through um I think that uh um I
think going forward will be a better way
of
having okay but that that was a
uh that was moving along and I think we
got something maybe in July at that
point and uh so but that was
already
processed so so I think I think from
both local level as well as the state
level we're getting in the
syn you're right Mr T that wasn't it
didn't it didn't go through this process
and although I just want to be clear
that we all of those things were
received in the Law Department in terms
of yeah and we rolled that out we did
roll that out too and we got to July one
I your pardon we rolled that out to July
one but it was already as you know that
was well on its
way that because the idea is that these
notifications are to be on the front end
like this one we're dealing with right
now whereas the one on for example the
one on Union Street was on the uh was
well well long before and we got it in
July so in terms of that that one in in
501 State
Street because dasne was in involved the
dormatory authority was involved with
that
is that why they had the opportunity to
just wait so long don't I don't know
okay I don't know okay I would
spe but we righted and going forward
we'll follow the C procedure okay we're
good all
right any other questions from this item
no okay thank you uh the final five
items um are all for
um executive session is for property
sales so I would ask for a motion to
reset City de City development
planning second all those in favor we're
recess thank
you so I'd like to call to order of the
claims committee we have two items on
the agenda tonight both items need to be
discussed in executive session so we
have a motion to enter executive session
so second all in
favor we are now executive session
public M Mr chairman I think perhaps
this point of order um uh you want to
hold off on that until after you have
your budget hearings or I'll you or you
want to do the claims now no no we'll do
and then we'll go the okay very thank
you yeah I think well they have to shut
it down over there so we
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