1 00:00:01,970 --> 00:00:10,280 [Music] 2 00:00:10,280 --> 00:00:11,559 I'd like to call the orders to connect 3 00:00:11,559 --> 00:00:13,000 the city council committee meeting for 4 00:00:13,000 --> 00:00:15,560 Monday October 21st 5 00:00:15,560 --> 00:00:17,880 2024 and our first committee is Public 6 00:00:17,880 --> 00:00:19,560 Safety I'd like to call the Public 7 00:00:19,560 --> 00:00:20,920 Safety Committee to order we have two 8 00:00:20,920 --> 00:00:22,960 items on the agenda tonight first of 9 00:00:22,960 --> 00:00:24,920 which is the Edward burn Memorial 10 00:00:24,920 --> 00:00:27,400 Justice assistance grant Fula program 11 00:00:27,400 --> 00:00:40,750 local solicitation fisal year 202 for 12 00:00:40,760 --> 00:00:44,680 chief good afternoon good evening uh the 13 00:00:44,680 --> 00:00:46,600 city police department 14 00:00:46,600 --> 00:00:50,920 is requesting acceptance of this uh 15 00:00:50,920 --> 00:00:54,039 justice assistance grant ultimately we 16 00:00:54,039 --> 00:00:56,280 were awarded uh the city and county was 17 00:00:56,280 --> 00:00:58,440 awarded 18 00:00:58,440 --> 00:01:01,039 $357 uh there's been agreed amount that 19 00:01:01,039 --> 00:01:02,879 an agreed amount that the city will 20 00:01:02,879 --> 00:01:03,760 accept 21 00:01:03,760 --> 00:01:06,240 $55,000 and a remaining balance of $ 22 00:01:06,240 --> 00:01:09,119 3,711 will be used by the county 23 00:01:09,119 --> 00:01:11,000 ultimately what this does this will 24 00:01:11,000 --> 00:01:13,720 allow us to do rather is to use 25 00:01:13,720 --> 00:01:18,560 consumables for um new evidence Tech 26 00:01:18,560 --> 00:01:21,119 procedure equipment apparently there's 27 00:01:21,119 --> 00:01:23,400 new technology out there and the city 28 00:01:23,400 --> 00:01:27,079 possesses that we have uh use of uh like 29 00:01:27,079 --> 00:01:29,960 a fighter extractor uh so anytime you 30 00:01:29,960 --> 00:01:32,439 Mye pieces of fiber in either carpet or 31 00:01:32,439 --> 00:01:35,360 clothing they can extract that but it 32 00:01:35,360 --> 00:01:39,240 uses consumables so the $5,000 would be 33 00:01:39,240 --> 00:01:44,600 used to purchase consumables as they're used up and there is no 34 00:01:44,600 --> 00:01:47,640 matching funds required by the city 35 00:01:47,640 --> 00:01:50,479 thank you any questions or comments for 36 00:01:50,479 --> 00:01:52,680 so just to Clarity they um we use the 37 00:01:52,680 --> 00:01:55,479 air equipment yes the count that the 38 00:01:55,479 --> 00:01:57,240 count is purchasing and sell our cost 39 00:01:57,240 --> 00:01:58,759 for the consumables but we always have 40 00:01:58,759 --> 00:02:00,719 access to the equip itself that's 41 00:02:00,719 --> 00:02:02,840 correct okay that's all I have any other 42 00:02:02,840 --> 00:02:05,320 questions or concerns Mr Mayor my 43 00:02:05,320 --> 00:02:07,280 understanding that equipment would not 44 00:02:07,280 --> 00:02:11,200 be solely used for the city be made 45 00:02:11,200 --> 00:02:13,480 available for other agencies within the 46 00:02:13,480 --> 00:02:17,120 county so that's our portion would be 47 00:02:17,120 --> 00:02:19,800 5,000 is going to go to to support our 48 00:02:19,800 --> 00:02:22,599 component utilization 49 00:02:22,599 --> 00:02:25,400 of 50 00:02:25,400 --> 00:02:30,830 some because it's the counties 51 00:02:30,840 --> 00:02:33,760 any other questions or concerns second 52 00:02:33,760 --> 00:02:37,000 all in favor the next item on the agenda 53 00:02:37,000 --> 00:02:39,280 is a reminder of the public hearing 54 00:02:39,280 --> 00:02:44,000 regarding creating a new section 20 24 55 00:02:44,000 --> 00:02:47,159 24-11 of the S city code and amending 56 00:02:47,159 --> 00:02:59,990 section 228-9875 57 00:03:00,000 --> 00:03:03,000 safety hearing on have motion second all 58 00:03:03,000 --> 00:03:04,599 in favor 59 00:03:04,599 --> 00:03:06,680 I I would like to call the finance 60 00:03:06,680 --> 00:03:08,680 committee to order on the fourth item is 61 00:03:08,680 --> 00:03:10,879 the fire department contract acceptance 62 00:03:10,879 --> 00:03:13,959 personal protective equipments Turnal 63 00:03:13,959 --> 00:03:22,789 gear Chief 64 00:03:22,799 --> 00:03:25,760 Marina everyone good 65 00:03:25,760 --> 00:03:31,030 evening sor 66 00:03:31,040 --> 00:03:33,799 so a few weeks ago we were here to 67 00:03:33,799 --> 00:03:36,640 standardize our personal protective 68 00:03:36,640 --> 00:03:40,400 equipment PPE that's the turnout gear 69 00:03:40,400 --> 00:03:42,360 and the council moved that forward I'm 70 00:03:42,360 --> 00:03:45,879 very appreciative of that and now uh we 71 00:03:45,879 --> 00:03:47,319 have put out the 72 00:03:47,319 --> 00:03:51,599 bid our uh specs and we 73 00:03:51,599 --> 00:03:54,319 received uh a bid from garison they were 74 00:03:54,319 --> 00:03:58,200 the lowest bidder and it is for 75 00:03:58,200 --> 00:04:00,280 $4,130 per set 76 00:04:00,280 --> 00:04:02,720 and that would be good for one 77 00:04:02,720 --> 00:04:05,959 year so I'm asking the council to uh 78 00:04:05,959 --> 00:04:08,159 consider that and pass that 79 00:04:08,159 --> 00:04:10,319 forward 80 00:04:10,319 --> 00:04:12,560 questions see now may have a motion to 81 00:04:12,560 --> 00:04:15,840 move this forward second all in favor I 82 00:04:15,840 --> 00:04:18,759 thank you thank you Chief thank you next 83 00:04:18,759 --> 00:04:22,360 item is restor new Grant application May 84 00:04:22,360 --> 00:04:26,320 Marcy thank you Mr chairman this is a uh 85 00:04:26,320 --> 00:04:30,039 the state program an exciting project 86 00:04:30,039 --> 00:04:32,320 for the conversion and transition of the 87 00:04:32,320 --> 00:04:34,880 old Ellis excuse me the St Claire's 88 00:04:34,880 --> 00:04:37,080 hospital has been owned by Ellis 89 00:04:37,080 --> 00:04:40,520 Hospital of GRE ills here uh in his role 90 00:04:40,520 --> 00:04:43,720 as uh chair of Metroplex and heading up 91 00:04:43,720 --> 00:04:45,800 to unified economic 92 00:04:45,800 --> 00:04:49,160 development team accounted for uh 93 00:04:49,160 --> 00:04:50,919 getting looking for the city's support 94 00:04:50,919 --> 00:04:53,720 in turn to the application any specific 95 00:04:53,720 --> 00:04:56,000 questions Mr Gill 96 00:04:56,000 --> 00:05:03,870 available general questions I can answer 97 00:05:03,880 --> 00:05:09,390 any question for the mayor or um Mr 98 00:05:09,400 --> 00:05:11,560 Gillan other know what the mayor said 99 00:05:11,560 --> 00:05:13,360 just is there anything else want to 100 00:05:13,360 --> 00:05:14,680 we've been very successful in going 101 00:05:14,680 --> 00:05:16,360 after restore New York grants I think 102 00:05:16,360 --> 00:05:19,560 we've won seven this is the ninth round 103 00:05:19,560 --> 00:05:22,400 they look for big buildings uh that have 104 00:05:22,400 --> 00:05:24,440 a big impact on the community either 105 00:05:24,440 --> 00:05:26,680 renovating or demolishing them everyone 106 00:05:26,680 --> 00:05:28,039 knows about the central warehouse 107 00:05:28,039 --> 00:05:30,039 project in Albany recently that's going 108 00:05:30,039 --> 00:05:31,960 to be demolished so they're looking for 109 00:05:31,960 --> 00:05:35,199 you know um large structures that create 110 00:05:35,199 --> 00:05:37,759 either an opportunity or they're a drain 111 00:05:37,759 --> 00:05:39,240 on a community and they need to come 112 00:05:39,240 --> 00:05:41,800 down in this case we want to save the 113 00:05:41,800 --> 00:05:45,600 vacant St cla's hospital it's 400,000 114 00:05:45,600 --> 00:05:48,000 foot building that's a big building we 115 00:05:48,000 --> 00:05:50,319 have a proven developer in place uh 116 00:05:50,319 --> 00:05:52,080 they're applying for historic tax 117 00:05:52,080 --> 00:05:55,080 credits to help uh Finance the project 118 00:05:55,080 --> 00:05:56,560 this would be an application to the 119 00:05:56,560 --> 00:05:58,240 state for a restore New York money we've 120 00:05:58,240 --> 00:06:01,280 laid out the calendar uh in your the 121 00:06:01,280 --> 00:06:03,080 memo that was provided that shows that 122 00:06:03,080 --> 00:06:05,680 we can follow all the steps that you all 123 00:06:05,680 --> 00:06:09,080 like to follow and correct procedures 124 00:06:09,080 --> 00:06:10,599 and get an endorsement hopefully from 125 00:06:10,599 --> 00:06:12,319 the council by the end of November we 126 00:06:12,319 --> 00:06:14,759 submit the application in December we'll 127 00:06:14,759 --> 00:06:17,080 work very closely with the city staff at 128 00:06:17,080 --> 00:06:19,120 FX and the developer to put together 129 00:06:19,120 --> 00:06:22,319 hopefully a winning a winning 130 00:06:22,319 --> 00:06:25,199 application any questions on this go 131 00:06:25,199 --> 00:06:27,479 ahead please uh thank you for the the 132 00:06:27,479 --> 00:06:29,880 overview are these the type of projects 133 00:06:29,880 --> 00:06:32,880 white seat consideration for like Pilots 134 00:06:32,880 --> 00:06:34,440 yeah this is a great point I'm glad you 135 00:06:34,440 --> 00:06:36,560 raised that Council uh St cla's of 136 00:06:36,560 --> 00:06:39,199 course since it was built in 1949 has 137 00:06:39,199 --> 00:06:41,360 been off the tax rolls it's on an 18 138 00:06:41,360 --> 00:06:44,160 Acre Site uh this project would put it 139 00:06:44,160 --> 00:06:46,520 on the tax rolls through a pilot that 140 00:06:46,520 --> 00:06:49,800 would be uh still to be negotiated and 141 00:06:49,800 --> 00:06:51,720 we'll consult with the City Finance team 142 00:06:51,720 --> 00:06:54,440 and the mayor on that and all of you but 143 00:06:54,440 --> 00:06:55,960 we are very excited about the 144 00:06:55,960 --> 00:07:01,199 opportunity to put the buildings and the main hospital building on the tax 145 00:07:01,199 --> 00:07:04,160 rolls the other Medical Arts buildings 146 00:07:04,160 --> 00:07:07,039 at the campus uh which are staying open 147 00:07:07,039 --> 00:07:10,950 are already on tax 148 00:07:10,960 --> 00:07:14,160 rules any other question see now may 149 00:07:14,160 --> 00:07:17,319 have a motion to move this item forward 150 00:07:17,319 --> 00:07:20,360 second second all in favor thank you 151 00:07:20,360 --> 00:07:22,639 thanks the next item is discussion 152 00:07:22,639 --> 00:07:25,440 excessive waste speed 153 00:07:25,440 --> 00:07:34,629 schedule what's 154 00:07:34,639 --> 00:07:36,759 good evening good evening believe 155 00:07:36,759 --> 00:07:39,240 everybody has a copy of the proposed 156 00:07:39,240 --> 00:07:43,879 fees for bulk items um and um the we'll 157 00:07:43,879 --> 00:07:46,960 call the limit on the number of bags or 158 00:07:46,960 --> 00:07:49,919 gallon cans per unit in front of 159 00:07:49,919 --> 00:07:52,319 you it's been presented to you for 160 00:07:52,319 --> 00:07:54,120 discussion I don't know if any of you 161 00:07:54,120 --> 00:07:55,919 had time to go through it if you have 162 00:07:55,919 --> 00:07:57,960 any comments but 163 00:07:57,960 --> 00:08:00,319 again our was fees are going up 164 00:08:00,319 --> 00:08:02,800 drastically every year um pit fees the 165 00:08:02,800 --> 00:08:05,319 cost of truck and garbage this is also 166 00:08:05,319 --> 00:08:08,000 to address what we call the excessive 167 00:08:08,000 --> 00:08:10,560 waste on on a sneer and we know we go 168 00:08:10,560 --> 00:08:13,479 byy these houses that have I mean it 169 00:08:13,479 --> 00:08:15,120 looks like they empty three or four 170 00:08:15,120 --> 00:08:17,479 houses I put it on the curb and we take 171 00:08:17,479 --> 00:08:18,919 it right now and there's no additional 172 00:08:18,919 --> 00:08:21,039 charges or cost for that cost there is a 173 00:08:21,039 --> 00:08:22,879 cost for that but the city is absorbing 174 00:08:22,879 --> 00:08:25,479 that so this is to really look at if 175 00:08:25,479 --> 00:08:26,960 people are putting an excess amount of 176 00:08:26,960 --> 00:08:29,720 trash out for pickup including bulk 177 00:08:29,720 --> 00:08:31,240 which are taking up a lot of room in the 178 00:08:31,240 --> 00:08:36,750 trucks and adding weight to um The 179 00:08:36,760 --> 00:08:38,640 Collection well you just want to touch 180 00:08:38,640 --> 00:08:41,440 on the fres bag in excess of seven can 181 00:08:41,440 --> 00:08:43,399 you highlight that and how that was 182 00:08:43,399 --> 00:08:45,839 arriv that we discussed this in several 183 00:08:45,839 --> 00:08:47,800 meetings um two council members were 184 00:08:47,800 --> 00:08:50,680 present we had a committee um it was 185 00:08:50,680 --> 00:08:53,120 discussed a number of times on you know 186 00:08:53,120 --> 00:08:54,839 what would be the limit on the bags for 187 00:08:54,839 --> 00:08:57,480 the size bags um I believe we all came 188 00:08:57,480 --> 00:09:00,000 to a conclusion at first it was five 6 189 00:09:00,000 --> 00:09:01,399 and then oh you know I got a lot of 190 00:09:01,399 --> 00:09:03,320 garbage at 7 I mean I don't where you 191 00:09:03,320 --> 00:09:05,959 want to end we can go to 9 but we've got 192 00:09:05,959 --> 00:09:08,800 to have a point where it's reasonable 193 00:09:08,800 --> 00:09:11,079 and um you know there are some studies 194 00:09:11,079 --> 00:09:12,880 done by EPA and how much trash an 195 00:09:12,880 --> 00:09:14,880 average person puts you know out in a 196 00:09:14,880 --> 00:09:18,360 day um and we came to six and then we 197 00:09:18,360 --> 00:09:20,360 grew it to seven being a little bit 198 00:09:20,360 --> 00:09:22,480 generous I think um some of the U 199 00:09:22,480 --> 00:09:23,880 meetings I went to on some of the 200 00:09:23,880 --> 00:09:25,800 neighborhoods when they said seven bags 201 00:09:25,800 --> 00:09:27,079 some people said that's an awful lot of 202 00:09:27,079 --> 00:09:29,959 garbage it is seven bags and garbage 203 00:09:29,959 --> 00:09:33,120 or 145g can so that means if there's a 204 00:09:33,120 --> 00:09:37,560 two family unit it's 14 bags um or two 4 205 00:09:37,560 --> 00:09:39,959 gallon cans and for a three unit you got 206 00:09:39,959 --> 00:09:43,120 21 bags or three some people have asked 207 00:09:43,120 --> 00:09:45,360 okay well what if put nine bags in my 208 00:09:45,360 --> 00:09:47,279 can well if you don't fill a bag that 209 00:09:47,279 --> 00:09:49,279 hard the can still holds nine bags it's 210 00:09:49,279 --> 00:09:52,440 nine bags but it's the can or seven full 211 00:09:52,440 --> 00:09:55,440 bags um so it was discussed in several 212 00:09:55,440 --> 00:09:58,279 meetings and this is what we came out 213 00:09:58,279 --> 00:10:02,230 with 214 00:10:02,240 --> 00:10:04,279 um can you talk a little bit I I I see 215 00:10:04,279 --> 00:10:07,360 the handout um that's in here but um 216 00:10:07,360 --> 00:10:08,519 have you thought at all about how you're 217 00:10:08,519 --> 00:10:10,600 going to promote this to residents of 218 00:10:10,600 --> 00:10:12,519 what what some of the methods might be 219 00:10:12,519 --> 00:10:14,600 Ben discussed just preliminary at some 220 00:10:14,600 --> 00:10:16,120 of the neighborhood meetings would come 221 00:10:16,120 --> 00:10:17,959 out as a soft start I we're just not 222 00:10:17,959 --> 00:10:19,760 going to start you know writing 223 00:10:19,760 --> 00:10:22,440 violations immediately um we'd have to 224 00:10:22,440 --> 00:10:24,399 do a soft start we have to do a lot of 225 00:10:24,399 --> 00:10:26,640 promotion you know there's a lot of work 226 00:10:26,640 --> 00:10:29,880 to put this out um couple of things that 227 00:10:29,880 --> 00:10:32,000 we discussed was um it's almost like the 228 00:10:32,000 --> 00:10:33,920 permit fee um if you're going to build a 229 00:10:33,920 --> 00:10:35,079 deck do some work in your house you come 230 00:10:35,079 --> 00:10:37,880 to see Hall the sheet that you have it's 231 00:10:37,880 --> 00:10:40,639 sort of an Excel simple Excel sheet you 232 00:10:40,639 --> 00:10:43,399 get six items you fill it in it's going 233 00:10:43,399 --> 00:10:45,959 to calculate the cost you come down the 234 00:10:45,959 --> 00:10:48,760 room nine do the sheet just like you do 235 00:10:48,760 --> 00:10:50,680 in codes you go upstairs for receips you 236 00:10:50,680 --> 00:10:52,760 pay for it come downstairs we give the 237 00:10:52,760 --> 00:10:56,399 appropriate stickers you put it on on we 238 00:10:56,399 --> 00:10:59,440 schedule for the next pickup um the SPL 239 00:10:59,440 --> 00:11:00,959 on there so would always go to the 240 00:11:00,959 --> 00:11:03,760 property owner um unfortunately 241 00:11:03,760 --> 00:11:06,680 tenants we we have no recourse to you 242 00:11:06,680 --> 00:11:09,639 know to um you know get that bill paid 243 00:11:09,639 --> 00:11:13,079 so we go to the homeowner um and if not 244 00:11:13,079 --> 00:11:15,480 paid obviously if we be an MDB it would 245 00:11:15,480 --> 00:11:18,550 be 246 00:11:18,560 --> 00:11:22,480 ly go ahead please so in terms of um and 247 00:11:22,480 --> 00:11:23,800 I wasn't there for the final decision 248 00:11:23,800 --> 00:11:26,240 I'm sting so in terms of who's going to 249 00:11:26,240 --> 00:11:28,600 keep track of the bags and how you're 250 00:11:28,600 --> 00:11:30,560 going to you know how it gets reported 251 00:11:30,560 --> 00:11:32,720 or let's say someone puts out eight bags 252 00:11:32,720 --> 00:11:35,320 and seven is the number so how does that 253 00:11:35,320 --> 00:11:36,839 get counted and then what happens with 254 00:11:36,839 --> 00:11:38,480 that excess bag and how does it get 255 00:11:38,480 --> 00:11:40,600 charged for I don't think we're going to 256 00:11:40,600 --> 00:11:42,560 step on everybody's toes for one bag 257 00:11:42,560 --> 00:11:44,360 once in a while okay all right five 258 00:11:44,360 --> 00:11:45,720 extra 259 00:11:45,720 --> 00:11:48,279 bags we have four new officers are out 260 00:11:48,279 --> 00:11:49,959 on a daily basis plus two three 261 00:11:49,959 --> 00:11:51,959 supervisors for which they'll go to the 262 00:11:51,959 --> 00:11:55,480 property they'll photo it um house 263 00:11:55,480 --> 00:11:57,480 there's an address on the house so it's 264 00:11:57,480 --> 00:12:00,399 documented and that on property law will 265 00:12:00,399 --> 00:12:02,360 be issued at MVB for the additional 266 00:12:02,360 --> 00:12:04,040 waste we're not going to leave it on the 267 00:12:04,040 --> 00:12:06,320 street it's got to be picked up we all 268 00:12:06,320 --> 00:12:08,320 know that's the one you know function 269 00:12:08,320 --> 00:12:09,560 and operation in the city has to be 270 00:12:09,560 --> 00:12:11,440 complete every day uh we can't go back 271 00:12:11,440 --> 00:12:13,240 tomorrow and repick it up we'll fall too 272 00:12:13,240 --> 00:12:15,399 far behind so it will be picked up so 273 00:12:15,399 --> 00:12:17,199 it's not left for you know neighbors to 274 00:12:17,199 --> 00:12:19,519 complain about um but it would be a 275 00:12:19,519 --> 00:12:22,040 violation as you know as any other the 276 00:12:22,040 --> 00:12:23,279 day when people put their trash out 277 00:12:23,279 --> 00:12:26,480 before 2:00 I you know we wrote a number 278 00:12:26,480 --> 00:12:29,959 of them today because you know uh 279 00:12:29,959 --> 00:12:33,639 have um you know 9:00 this morning for 280 00:12:33,639 --> 00:12:36,519 tomorrow's pick up so um the way to do 281 00:12:36,519 --> 00:12:38,800 this is enforcement if you don't enforce 282 00:12:38,800 --> 00:12:43,269 things nobody's going never follow the 283 00:12:43,279 --> 00:12:45,920 rule so follow in terms of billing you 284 00:12:45,920 --> 00:12:47,760 want to touch on that quarterly the 285 00:12:47,760 --> 00:12:49,440 suggestion is to build quarterly for 286 00:12:49,440 --> 00:12:51,720 this rather than building every we we 287 00:12:51,720 --> 00:12:53,680 wouldn't build it's really on the me 288 00:12:53,680 --> 00:12:56,000 it's it's sort of like if you're in the 289 00:12:56,000 --> 00:12:57,959 suburbs you know if you have a bulk 290 00:12:57,959 --> 00:12:59,880 items you call ahead part a trash 291 00:12:59,880 --> 00:13:01,880 collector and say I've got some material 292 00:13:01,880 --> 00:13:03,760 out there they'll schedule a day when 293 00:13:03,760 --> 00:13:05,560 they may have two people on that truck 294 00:13:05,560 --> 00:13:07,360 or not they'll you know the property 295 00:13:07,360 --> 00:13:08,560 owner will come down here whether he 296 00:13:08,560 --> 00:13:11,160 makes arrangements with his tenant um 297 00:13:11,160 --> 00:13:14,240 tell us they have X items to pick up or 298 00:13:14,240 --> 00:13:16,880 you know this we'll fill out and on that 299 00:13:16,880 --> 00:13:18,320 sheet you'll see that there's a pickup 300 00:13:18,320 --> 00:13:22,760 date so normally it would be the next pickup um you know if they came 301 00:13:22,760 --> 00:13:23,760 in 302 00:13:23,760 --> 00:13:26,440 10:04 you know on a Thursday may not be 303 00:13:26,440 --> 00:13:28,079 Friday's pickup it may be the following 304 00:13:28,079 --> 00:13:29,600 Friday but we would tell them have it 305 00:13:29,600 --> 00:13:32,160 out on this date it'll all be picked 306 00:13:32,160 --> 00:13:35,760 up so for the ones who doesn't have that 307 00:13:35,760 --> 00:13:38,079 doesn't have what you know online or 308 00:13:38,079 --> 00:13:39,680 come into City Hall and have those 309 00:13:39,680 --> 00:13:41,519 stickers and just put it out like that 310 00:13:41,519 --> 00:13:43,560 to the C would that be picked up and 311 00:13:43,560 --> 00:13:45,800 then build y we we're not going to leave 312 00:13:45,800 --> 00:13:48,199 anything on the curve as we do right now 313 00:13:48,199 --> 00:13:50,519 we're going to pick it up but the 314 00:13:50,519 --> 00:13:52,279 property owner will be 315 00:13:52,279 --> 00:13:55,720 built well that's the proposal that we 316 00:13:55,720 --> 00:13:58,600 would continue to do that the final 317 00:13:58,600 --> 00:14:01,839 decision sto and what the city council 318 00:14:01,839 --> 00:14:06,269 adopts in the modified 319 00:14:06,279 --> 00:14:09,839 code go ahead please so the bill if it's 320 00:14:09,839 --> 00:14:11,279 say a 321 00:14:11,279 --> 00:14:13,800 refrigerator and they didn't come down 322 00:14:13,800 --> 00:14:15,959 and get the sticker so you build them is 323 00:14:15,959 --> 00:14:17,720 it the same amount or is it increased 324 00:14:17,720 --> 00:14:20,600 because they did not come down in De am 325 00:14:20,600 --> 00:14:22,040 same amount we do have administrative 326 00:14:22,040 --> 00:14:24,519 fee we ration $50 that's in the city 327 00:14:24,519 --> 00:14:28,120 code currently but again if it's up to 328 00:14:28,120 --> 00:14:29,759 city council want on to the neighborhood 329 00:14:29,759 --> 00:14:31,800 meetings it's only been discussed it's 330 00:14:31,800 --> 00:14:35,959 still a decision with the council and if 331 00:14:35,959 --> 00:14:39,279 you if you leave it there or you don't 332 00:14:39,279 --> 00:14:41,759 come down and you pick it up and there 333 00:14:41,759 --> 00:14:42,480 is 334 00:14:42,480 --> 00:14:45,839 no bill for it and I don't know why 335 00:14:45,839 --> 00:14:47,880 we're proposing this week smells W 336 00:14:47,880 --> 00:14:50,880 anyway I mean this is to sort of curtail 337 00:14:50,880 --> 00:14:52,600 the offenders that are just putting 338 00:14:52,600 --> 00:14:54,120 there all the time people who are 339 00:14:54,120 --> 00:14:56,639 bringing trash in from outside the city 340 00:14:56,639 --> 00:14:57,959 because they have Apartments here and 341 00:14:57,959 --> 00:14:58,800 they're leaving in front of their 342 00:14:58,800 --> 00:15:00,519 apartment buildings because it's free 343 00:15:00,519 --> 00:15:02,759 pickup beer and the reason for the 344 00:15:02,759 --> 00:15:06,000 question is if I don't come and get a 345 00:15:06,000 --> 00:15:07,360 sticker you going to take it anyway 346 00:15:07,360 --> 00:15:08,759 building it so why am they going to come 347 00:15:08,759 --> 00:15:12,040 down here and because based on that 348 00:15:12,040 --> 00:15:12,759 you're still going to get an 349 00:15:12,759 --> 00:15:14,120 administrative fee so it's going to be 350 00:15:14,120 --> 00:15:16,800 more money all right there's still 351 00:15:16,800 --> 00:15:18,920 administrative Fe attached to violations 352 00:15:18,920 --> 00:15:22,079 within the C code so if you choose to 353 00:15:22,079 --> 00:15:26,389 there would be a violation plus the 354 00:15:26,399 --> 00:15:28,720 pickup go ahead please you you brought 355 00:15:28,720 --> 00:15:30,480 up a good point about people bringing um 356 00:15:30,480 --> 00:15:34,000 garbage from outside the city so um for 357 00:15:34,000 --> 00:15:35,800 if someone I mean what if someone from 358 00:15:35,800 --> 00:15:37,360 outside the city just brings trash in 359 00:15:37,360 --> 00:15:39,319 front of my house and we have no way of 360 00:15:39,319 --> 00:15:40,440 knowing unless you go through the 361 00:15:40,440 --> 00:15:42,759 garbage that it wasn't my 362 00:15:42,759 --> 00:15:45,639 trash and so how do we and then it 363 00:15:45,639 --> 00:15:47,880 becomes between the homeowner or the 364 00:15:47,880 --> 00:15:51,720 renter and the either the garbage um the 365 00:15:51,720 --> 00:15:54,000 nuisance inspector or the city like to 366 00:15:54,000 --> 00:15:55,800 determine who really put that trash 367 00:15:55,800 --> 00:15:57,240 there but we do go through the trash and 368 00:15:57,240 --> 00:15:59,759 we look for mail okay but yes it does 369 00:15:59,759 --> 00:16:01,440 happen in fact people come in and drop 370 00:16:01,440 --> 00:16:03,959 it on the city property normal places 371 00:16:03,959 --> 00:16:05,920 are on wad Street shelting Avenue the 372 00:16:05,920 --> 00:16:08,720 Alleyways it happens on our own property 373 00:16:08,720 --> 00:16:11,199 and it may happen um and I believe law 374 00:16:11,199 --> 00:16:12,759 can answer that because the one time I 375 00:16:12,759 --> 00:16:15,639 was informed that it's presumed if it's 376 00:16:15,639 --> 00:16:17,720 in front of your house it is yours and 377 00:16:17,720 --> 00:16:20,880 that was the last um advice I got from 378 00:16:20,880 --> 00:16:23,839 Corporation Council fire new coration 379 00:16:23,839 --> 00:16:26,000 Council um I don't think it's going to 380 00:16:26,000 --> 00:16:27,839 happen every day on a daily basis but 381 00:16:27,839 --> 00:16:28,800 there's a possibility it's going to 382 00:16:28,800 --> 00:16:31,199 happen happen um we pick up trash all 383 00:16:31,199 --> 00:16:34,000 over the city that's just left in random 384 00:16:34,000 --> 00:16:37,639 places and you know it it it 385 00:16:37,639 --> 00:16:42,230 happens it's not a perfect 386 00:16:42,240 --> 00:16:45,720 system go ahead please Mr lean um what 387 00:16:45,720 --> 00:16:47,680 was sort of the general reaction from 388 00:16:47,680 --> 00:16:49,319 the neighborhood associations and thank 389 00:16:49,319 --> 00:16:50,800 you for going to all the neighborhood 390 00:16:50,800 --> 00:16:52,880 associations to talk about this it was 391 00:16:52,880 --> 00:16:55,079 taking well a lot of the um neighborhood 392 00:16:55,079 --> 00:16:57,600 ass realize that there are a lot of 393 00:16:57,600 --> 00:17:00,079 properties that are just access and you 394 00:17:00,079 --> 00:17:02,040 know to go back to your question 395 00:17:02,040 --> 00:17:04,799 is you know we might get a bag or two or 396 00:17:04,799 --> 00:17:06,880 an odd item that someone dumps but it's 397 00:17:06,880 --> 00:17:09,839 really going after the um viors who put 398 00:17:09,839 --> 00:17:11,319 just excessive amounts of waste on and I 399 00:17:11,319 --> 00:17:12,799 don't think they're going to bring 400 00:17:12,799 --> 00:17:14,400 trailer loads or truck loads into 401 00:17:14,400 --> 00:17:15,760 somebody's house and start just 402 00:17:15,760 --> 00:17:16,839 unloading it they'll probably get 403 00:17:16,839 --> 00:17:18,799 noticed you're going to have once in a 404 00:17:18,799 --> 00:17:20,919 while some point dump a TV or a single 405 00:17:20,919 --> 00:17:22,319 item in some of these I work some of 406 00:17:22,319 --> 00:17:24,480 these houses but to get back to you they 407 00:17:24,480 --> 00:17:26,839 did take it uh good um one of the things 408 00:17:26,839 --> 00:17:29,000 was a better way of maybe addressing how 409 00:17:29,000 --> 00:17:31,480 get the stickers um and it's something 410 00:17:31,480 --> 00:17:35,440 that was discussed can be done online um 411 00:17:35,440 --> 00:17:38,000 you know there's things we can look at 412 00:17:38,000 --> 00:17:39,760 um some say it may be an inconvenience 413 00:17:39,760 --> 00:17:41,960 to actually come here and you know 414 00:17:41,960 --> 00:17:45,039 purchase stickers but again if you think 415 00:17:45,039 --> 00:17:47,480 about it you know and you say okay hey I 416 00:17:47,480 --> 00:17:49,000 got a slow day today I'm going to run 417 00:17:49,000 --> 00:17:51,480 over the see Hall I'm going to just grab 418 00:17:51,480 --> 00:17:54,320 a dozen stickers just Happ for the year 419 00:17:54,320 --> 00:17:56,280 that's they're there you know you can 420 00:17:56,280 --> 00:17:59,200 call in there's things we can do but we 421 00:17:59,200 --> 00:18:01,280 have to start somewhere or we're just 422 00:18:01,280 --> 00:18:03,720 going to continue to pick up excessive 423 00:18:03,720 --> 00:18:07,919 amounts of waste and never get to a uh 424 00:18:07,919 --> 00:18:10,990 an 425 00:18:11,000 --> 00:18:13,600 end go ahead did we try something this 426 00:18:13,600 --> 00:18:16,200 similar to this um was there anything 427 00:18:16,200 --> 00:18:17,480 similar to this 428 00:18:17,480 --> 00:18:21,520 Tri back a few years ago not since I've 429 00:18:21,520 --> 00:18:23,600 been here I mean I know we did the the 430 00:18:23,600 --> 00:18:27,520 big push on um recycling years ago and 431 00:18:27,520 --> 00:18:30,240 we all know recycling is now 432 00:18:30,240 --> 00:18:32,640 you can add about $500,000 to you know 433 00:18:32,640 --> 00:18:34,720 our waste expenses because of recycling 434 00:18:34,720 --> 00:18:36,000 because you know 4 years ago was 435 00:18:36,000 --> 00:18:38,960 absolutely free it is not fre them we 436 00:18:38,960 --> 00:18:41,159 you've heard me say before we pay more 437 00:18:41,159 --> 00:18:42,960 to get rid of and dispose of our 438 00:18:42,960 --> 00:18:46,440 recycles than we do our nsw so um 439 00:18:46,440 --> 00:18:47,720 there's almost a half a million dollars 440 00:18:47,720 --> 00:18:50,840 in additional cost just on 441 00:18:50,840 --> 00:18:53,080 newy and so could you tell us which 442 00:18:53,080 --> 00:18:54,559 neighborhood associations that you've 443 00:18:54,559 --> 00:18:57,080 been to and also for those cuz 444 00:18:57,080 --> 00:18:58,240 neighborhood associations some of them 445 00:18:58,240 --> 00:19:01,640 don't have large turnout so what is the 446 00:19:01,640 --> 00:19:04,240 prop plan to reach people who don't ever 447 00:19:04,240 --> 00:19:06,559 go to Neighborhood associations or don't 448 00:19:06,559 --> 00:19:08,559 engage in that way in the community 449 00:19:08,559 --> 00:19:10,360 obviously if you make a decision on what 450 00:19:10,360 --> 00:19:12,720 we do and how we finalize it it's going 451 00:19:12,720 --> 00:19:16,000 to be you know um media it'll be on our 452 00:19:16,000 --> 00:19:20,039 website um I imagine put it in the 453 00:19:20,039 --> 00:19:22,919 newsletter um the paper maybe on the 454 00:19:22,919 --> 00:19:24,799 news it has to be you know there's going 455 00:19:24,799 --> 00:19:26,840 to be a a program to reach out to 456 00:19:26,840 --> 00:19:28,280 everybody I'll continue to go to 457 00:19:28,280 --> 00:19:30,360 Neighborhood meetings they have their 458 00:19:30,360 --> 00:19:32,640 websites they've been they can share it 459 00:19:32,640 --> 00:19:34,159 through their some of them have 460 00:19:34,159 --> 00:19:36,039 newsletters um but I've been to the 461 00:19:36,039 --> 00:19:39,520 stock aade I've been to B I've been to 462 00:19:39,520 --> 00:19:44,310 uh the G plot and the North 463 00:19:44,320 --> 00:19:49,799 End uner Union Chris was there yeah and 464 00:19:49,799 --> 00:19:52,799 one night um I had a special meeting um 465 00:19:52,799 --> 00:19:54,720 for the GE there'll be meetings at the 466 00:19:54,720 --> 00:19:56,960 same time and a budget meeting so I I 467 00:19:56,960 --> 00:19:59,280 couldn't get all three places so up for 468 00:19:59,280 --> 00:20:02,120 Union so it's five chis Chris Chris did 469 00:20:02,120 --> 00:20:04,039 a presentation to on that and uh at the 470 00:20:04,039 --> 00:20:05,799 one meeting um the representative from 471 00:20:05,799 --> 00:20:08,240 Sun was there and she was going to 472 00:20:08,240 --> 00:20:12,280 um spread the word a little to goe so I 473 00:20:12,280 --> 00:20:14,520 was thinking like um this is probably 474 00:20:14,520 --> 00:20:17,400 going to be something that people will 475 00:20:17,400 --> 00:20:18,919 with our best efforts of kind of 476 00:20:18,919 --> 00:20:20,760 educating people and get trying to get 477 00:20:20,760 --> 00:20:23,679 the word out that we'll see the real you 478 00:20:23,679 --> 00:20:26,039 know once we start to implement it um 479 00:20:26,039 --> 00:20:27,400 then people will start saying oh I 480 00:20:27,400 --> 00:20:29,120 didn't you know I was unaware whatever 481 00:20:29,120 --> 00:20:31,280 but I think that's kind of just what the 482 00:20:31,280 --> 00:20:32,760 natural progression of this is going to 483 00:20:32,760 --> 00:20:34,720 be until people to it become kind of a 484 00:20:34,720 --> 00:20:36,840 norm so I was thinking um I don't know 485 00:20:36,840 --> 00:20:39,679 if this was discussed but you know 486 00:20:39,679 --> 00:20:43,280 something like um so as we begin to 487 00:20:43,280 --> 00:20:45,960 implement it we see that person has 488 00:20:45,960 --> 00:20:48,039 eight bags so it's you know a couple 489 00:20:48,039 --> 00:20:49,600 more bags than what they should have or 490 00:20:49,600 --> 00:20:50,799 you know eight or nine bags and it's 491 00:20:50,799 --> 00:20:53,520 like instead of maybe the violation at 492 00:20:53,520 --> 00:20:55,200 that point then maybe something goes in 493 00:20:55,200 --> 00:20:57,919 the door to say hey this is a almost 494 00:20:57,919 --> 00:21:01,000 like a warning well was to do a soft 495 00:21:01,000 --> 00:21:03,720 stop which we don't we we know 496 00:21:03,720 --> 00:21:05,480 implementing something like today we 497 00:21:05,480 --> 00:21:08,080 start running a bu violations isn't 498 00:21:08,080 --> 00:21:11,000 going to help um it'll be a soft start 499 00:21:11,000 --> 00:21:12,760 and there will probably be some just 500 00:21:12,760 --> 00:21:15,320 reminders okay they don't like alert you 501 00:21:15,320 --> 00:21:17,159 warnings but a reminder that you know 502 00:21:17,159 --> 00:21:19,960 City implemented a new garbage structure 503 00:21:19,960 --> 00:21:23,320 and you know it may take you know maybe 504 00:21:23,320 --> 00:21:25,279 60 days or 90 days I don't know for 505 00:21:25,279 --> 00:21:27,320 people to acclimate it but we're not 506 00:21:27,320 --> 00:21:29,320 looking to just say starting today we're 507 00:21:29,320 --> 00:21:30,400 going to start writing all these 508 00:21:30,400 --> 00:21:31,880 violations of heights there's going to 509 00:21:31,880 --> 00:21:34,440 be a soft start um to bring this program 510 00:21:34,440 --> 00:21:38,070 on 511 00:21:38,080 --> 00:21:42,120 board Miss sorry thank you Mr chairman 512 00:21:42,120 --> 00:21:44,360 again my thoughts on this are the 513 00:21:44,360 --> 00:21:47,480 council can move in a timely manner we 514 00:21:47,480 --> 00:21:49,960 normally do the distribution of the 515 00:21:49,960 --> 00:21:53,080 garbage schedules on a voluntary or 516 00:21:53,080 --> 00:21:56,720 handout basis this year we would look to 517 00:21:56,720 --> 00:22:01,720 do a for of a direct mail or making sure 518 00:22:01,720 --> 00:22:04,559 not only the garbage schedule but the 519 00:22:04,559 --> 00:22:07,880 new criteria is delivered to each and 520 00:22:07,880 --> 00:22:10,400 every pickup point then as Paul's 521 00:22:10,400 --> 00:22:12,360 outline Mr Farley's talked about is 522 00:22:12,360 --> 00:22:15,840 doing almost a no penalty enforcement 523 00:22:15,840 --> 00:22:18,440 period so people might get some type of 524 00:22:18,440 --> 00:22:21,360 citation saying that you're doing this 525 00:22:21,360 --> 00:22:24,720 wrong but there's no penalty you've got 526 00:22:24,720 --> 00:22:28,320 to be in compliance and as he saying 60 527 00:22:28,320 --> 00:22:31,400 days days 90 days as we educate people 528 00:22:31,400 --> 00:22:36,830 and uh find tune the 529 00:22:36,840 --> 00:22:39,720 system thank you so I I I appreciate all 530 00:22:39,720 --> 00:22:41,400 the time that a lot of people have put 531 00:22:41,400 --> 00:22:43,600 into this and I will say that we're one 532 00:22:43,600 --> 00:22:45,600 of the only large municipalities in the 533 00:22:45,600 --> 00:22:48,480 area that hasn't implemented um some 534 00:22:48,480 --> 00:22:51,360 type of structure for uh putting bulk 535 00:22:51,360 --> 00:22:54,320 items out at the at the curb um when we 536 00:22:54,320 --> 00:22:58,000 were in these um talks I um always asked 537 00:22:58,000 --> 00:22:59,720 about the uh as I call them the 538 00:22:59,720 --> 00:23:02,919 connected2 family that are cut into uh 539 00:23:02,919 --> 00:23:06,840 two three four Apartments um and uh you 540 00:23:06,840 --> 00:23:09,120 know maybe only on the books as a two 541 00:23:09,120 --> 00:23:12,520 family um I I would really like to see 542 00:23:12,520 --> 00:23:15,080 some uh housing sales pulled and and and 543 00:23:15,080 --> 00:23:17,880 code just checking into um the amount of 544 00:23:17,880 --> 00:23:19,360 apartments that are in some of these 545 00:23:19,360 --> 00:23:22,640 buildings that are putting out a lot of 546 00:23:22,640 --> 00:23:26,480 excessive trash um another thing is you 547 00:23:26,480 --> 00:23:29,200 know we just had a holiday 548 00:23:29,200 --> 00:23:32,600 um last week so you get maybe an extra 549 00:23:32,600 --> 00:23:36,000 day of trash which flows into your seven 550 00:23:36,000 --> 00:23:39,200 bags now being 10 bags or whatever so um 551 00:23:39,200 --> 00:23:43,960 I had originally asked the committee for 10 bags and we kind of cut back on 552 00:23:43,960 --> 00:23:46,960 that um and as far as trash bags I mean 553 00:23:46,960 --> 00:23:53,120 we only use 13 galon trash cans in our bags in our kitchen but then you 554 00:23:53,120 --> 00:23:56,840 can put out 735 gallon bags but these 555 00:23:56,840 --> 00:24:00,240 are 13 G yes so there only the seven 556 00:24:00,240 --> 00:24:02,440 yeah it's listed on here seven 13 gallon 557 00:24:02,440 --> 00:24:06,600 bags I I thought I saw 35 okay so and 558 00:24:06,600 --> 00:24:08,919 again as as as I say I mean there's just 559 00:24:08,919 --> 00:24:10,520 two of us that live in my house and a 560 00:24:10,520 --> 00:24:12,360 lot of times I put out you know I have 561 00:24:12,360 --> 00:24:15,000 six just for two of us uh being that we 562 00:24:15,000 --> 00:24:17,400 cook all the time um and and we do 563 00:24:17,400 --> 00:24:20,559 create a a lot of trash um but I would 564 00:24:20,559 --> 00:24:22,760 like to see you know I I I don't want to 565 00:24:22,760 --> 00:24:24,559 see and I I'm not calling this people 566 00:24:24,559 --> 00:24:27,600 being penalized by any means but um you 567 00:24:27,600 --> 00:24:29,640 know and repeated at our meetings my 568 00:24:29,640 --> 00:24:31,240 mother-in-law put out a can of trash 569 00:24:31,240 --> 00:24:34,600 this big um as a single senior woman um 570 00:24:34,600 --> 00:24:35,919 and then if she wants to throw out a 571 00:24:35,919 --> 00:24:37,880 lamp she just you know they have to add 572 00:24:37,880 --> 00:24:39,960 to this I mean 573 00:24:39,960 --> 00:24:42,360 there's and I understand it needs to be 574 00:24:42,360 --> 00:24:44,640 done um I I understand if we addressed 575 00:24:44,640 --> 00:24:47,200 this last year um we wouldn't even be 576 00:24:47,200 --> 00:24:49,720 having this discussion because for 30 577 00:24:49,720 --> 00:24:52,799 some odd dollars per unit everything 578 00:24:52,799 --> 00:24:58,840 would still be being picked up um but I do realize the importance of of these 579 00:24:58,840 --> 00:25:03,039 bulk uh items being put out and a lot of 580 00:25:03,039 --> 00:25:05,640 individuals abusing the 581 00:25:05,640 --> 00:25:08,919 system and we would be cognizant of 582 00:25:08,919 --> 00:25:10,520 certain holidays and we know we know the 583 00:25:10,520 --> 00:25:12,480 month of November coming up people get 584 00:25:12,480 --> 00:25:14,559 confused there's four holidays and you 585 00:25:14,559 --> 00:25:16,440 know Thanksgiving is going to generate a 586 00:25:16,440 --> 00:25:19,120 lot of trash so there's some common 587 00:25:19,120 --> 00:25:21,880 sense that we have to use too um you 588 00:25:21,880 --> 00:25:24,279 know that you know on a Monday after the 589 00:25:24,279 --> 00:25:26,480 long than evening weekend if there's two 590 00:25:26,480 --> 00:25:29,000 extra bags I think you know 591 00:25:29,000 --> 00:25:30,919 we have to work things in a little 592 00:25:30,919 --> 00:25:37,039 differently but but I mean I I understand that all this we we 593 00:25:37,039 --> 00:25:39,159 worked it out over and over and over 594 00:25:39,159 --> 00:25:41,480 again in in our meetings and we we 595 00:25:41,480 --> 00:25:45,960 really tried um I also I also thought of 596 00:25:45,960 --> 00:25:48,799 scales uh on on trash trucks so when 597 00:25:48,799 --> 00:25:53,720 you're picking up a bulk curb side um 598 00:25:53,720 --> 00:25:56,840 you know it gets weighed and build out 599 00:25:56,840 --> 00:25:59,480 so I I I still think I and I know that 600 00:25:59,480 --> 00:26:01,240 you know we have we need to increase our 601 00:26:01,240 --> 00:26:03,320 Revenue but I I also think that there's 602 00:26:03,320 --> 00:26:07,080 still more that can be done on how we 603 00:26:07,080 --> 00:26:10,640 can put this out and and again it's not 604 00:26:10,640 --> 00:26:12,919 going to be fair for everyone I realize 605 00:26:12,919 --> 00:26:16,000 that but try to make 606 00:26:16,000 --> 00:26:20,919 it if I can here's two things the scales 607 00:26:20,919 --> 00:26:22,799 will never work no to to outfit the 608 00:26:22,799 --> 00:26:24,960 trucks our debt service would increase 609 00:26:24,960 --> 00:26:26,360 so much we have to raise a lot of rates 610 00:26:26,360 --> 00:26:28,360 to begin with okay and then trying to 611 00:26:28,360 --> 00:26:30,559 way everything that's on a curve we 612 00:26:30,559 --> 00:26:32,880 better double our overtime across the 613 00:26:32,880 --> 00:26:34,360 board and hope that they want to stay in 614 00:26:34,360 --> 00:26:36,960 work um it just uh you know logistically 615 00:26:36,960 --> 00:26:39,399 would not work on the side where the 616 00:26:39,399 --> 00:26:42,080 people who put out maybe one or two bags 617 00:26:42,080 --> 00:26:45,120 um again if you're in the suburbs you're 618 00:26:45,120 --> 00:26:47,120 going to buy one can that's what they're 619 00:26:47,120 --> 00:26:48,799 going to charge you for whether you put 620 00:26:48,799 --> 00:26:50,399 one bag in it or you put all seven bags 621 00:26:50,399 --> 00:26:52,559 in it you're going to pay there's got to 622 00:26:52,559 --> 00:26:56,520 be a a baseline to everything and um I 623 00:26:56,520 --> 00:26:58,320 appreciate the time you put in and and 624 00:26:58,320 --> 00:27:01,080 Mr mic who who worked in trash who was 625 00:27:01,080 --> 00:27:04,159 very knowledgeable we reached out to 626 00:27:04,159 --> 00:27:08,720 anyone who has uh U commercial 627 00:27:08,720 --> 00:27:11,799 um um suburbs who have it and you're 628 00:27:11,799 --> 00:27:15,200 right it's one can top Clos same with 629 00:27:15,200 --> 00:27:18,039 recycling um so I I I know that 630 00:27:18,039 --> 00:27:21,320 something needs to be implemented I do 631 00:27:21,320 --> 00:27:23,360 and 632 00:27:23,360 --> 00:27:26,320 um go ahead please so I'm glad you 633 00:27:26,320 --> 00:27:27,679 brought that up Mr Toro I was going to 634 00:27:27,679 --> 00:27:30,640 ask I imagine you were one of the the 635 00:27:30,640 --> 00:27:32,520 key people who are part of this 636 00:27:32,520 --> 00:27:35,080 committee from start to finish is that 637 00:27:35,080 --> 00:27:38,440 correct I started it yes and then with 638 00:27:38,440 --> 00:27:41,919 this proposal like you take credit and I 639 00:27:41,919 --> 00:27:44,440 do not take credit for this prop like 640 00:27:44,440 --> 00:27:46,159 your feedback and comments are reflect 641 00:27:46,159 --> 00:27:47,559 in this document is that not correct 642 00:27:47,559 --> 00:27:49,200 some of them are yes so I would say in 643 00:27:49,200 --> 00:27:50,840 some of your reservations are you not 644 00:27:50,840 --> 00:27:52,760 confident in what you presented I think 645 00:27:52,760 --> 00:27:54,519 that would be the cause for pause at 646 00:27:54,519 --> 00:27:56,480 least for myself so do you feel good 647 00:27:56,480 --> 00:27:58,600 with this I wasn't part of the final 648 00:27:58,600 --> 00:28:00,760 presentation that Mr Leon's been going 649 00:28:00,760 --> 00:28:03,080 to neighborhoods and presenting so there 650 00:28:03,080 --> 00:28:06,159 are maybe some of my ideas in there but 651 00:28:06,159 --> 00:28:09,799 no I am not presenting this to you Mr 652 00:28:09,799 --> 00:28:11,720 Willam so does this document not reflect 653 00:28:11,720 --> 00:28:14,559 the conversations that you initiated or 654 00:28:14,559 --> 00:28:17,000 I had part in some of these initiations 655 00:28:17,000 --> 00:28:19,919 I I again put 10 out 10 bags on the 656 00:28:19,919 --> 00:28:23,000 table versus seven um Miss Porterfield 657 00:28:23,000 --> 00:28:25,159 sat there uh for most of the meetings as 658 00:28:25,159 --> 00:28:28,279 well so yeah so of your discussions what 659 00:28:28,279 --> 00:28:30,399 percentage would you say this reflects 660 00:28:30,399 --> 00:28:31,519 those 661 00:28:31,519 --> 00:28:34,679 discussions um we talked about pricing 662 00:28:34,679 --> 00:28:38,000 for units on you know for whatever both 663 00:28:38,000 --> 00:28:39,840 might put out and again I brought 664 00:28:39,840 --> 00:28:41,840 forward constantly what I just brought 665 00:28:41,840 --> 00:28:44,080 forward again was the amount of 666 00:28:44,080 --> 00:28:45,919 apartments in the city that that aren't 667 00:28:45,919 --> 00:28:48,519 regulated that need to be looked into um 668 00:28:48,519 --> 00:28:50,559 so they're putting out you know three 669 00:28:50,559 --> 00:28:53,039 times the amount of trash uh I I always 670 00:28:53,039 --> 00:28:54,440 brought up my mother-in-law's little 671 00:28:54,440 --> 00:28:56,720 tiny can and now all of a sudden you 672 00:28:56,720 --> 00:28:59,200 know she might have a mattress that goes 673 00:28:59,200 --> 00:29:01,519 out and and and a couple of other things 674 00:29:01,519 --> 00:29:03,919 and she's at $50 or she begins to get 675 00:29:03,919 --> 00:29:07,760 her stickers now it's $100 when had we 676 00:29:07,760 --> 00:29:11,120 addressed this properly um I don't think 677 00:29:11,120 --> 00:29:13,440 we'd really be going through any of this 678 00:29:13,440 --> 00:29:15,760 and I appreciate you raising so getting 679 00:29:15,760 --> 00:29:17,600 into my two questions that was a good 680 00:29:17,600 --> 00:29:20,120 point so your comment was if we raised 681 00:29:20,120 --> 00:29:22,679 fees to the $35 that was proposed last 682 00:29:22,679 --> 00:29:24,519 year this would be a new point we 683 00:29:24,519 --> 00:29:26,919 wouldn't have to address this issue now 684 00:29:26,919 --> 00:29:28,480 I would say at this present time with 685 00:29:28,480 --> 00:29:30,799 the proposed fee increases there's been 686 00:29:30,799 --> 00:29:33,480 no push back at least from myself so 687 00:29:33,480 --> 00:29:34,880 would that not address this issue at 688 00:29:34,880 --> 00:29:37,760 least this year so wouldn't this not be 689 00:29:37,760 --> 00:29:40,480 a topic of concern based on your comment 690 00:29:40,480 --> 00:29:41,880 I'm sorry I don't understand your 691 00:29:41,880 --> 00:29:44,559 question if we raise fees is this an 692 00:29:44,559 --> 00:29:46,919 issue um how much are you proposing to 693 00:29:46,919 --> 00:29:48,720 raise the fees this year I would say the 694 00:29:48,720 --> 00:29:51,279 mayor proposed $52 per year which 695 00:29:51,279 --> 00:29:54,440 exceeds the $35 from last year so if 696 00:29:54,440 --> 00:29:56,320 we're trying to just repeat the cost of 697 00:29:56,320 --> 00:29:58,919 increasing municipal waste 698 00:29:58,919 --> 00:30:01,360 my concern is if you change too much we 699 00:30:01,360 --> 00:30:03,440 can't evaluate the efficacy of any one 700 00:30:03,440 --> 00:30:06,360 change so that's one of my cautions but 701 00:30:06,360 --> 00:30:08,320 then also to your other issue which I 702 00:30:08,320 --> 00:30:09,919 drew an issue to your rental 703 00:30:09,919 --> 00:30:12,399 certificates with families being 704 00:30:12,399 --> 00:30:14,360 miscategorized isn't there a considered 705 00:30:14,360 --> 00:30:15,880 effort from like code enforcement to 706 00:30:15,880 --> 00:30:18,519 make sure properties are what they say 707 00:30:18,519 --> 00:30:20,360 they are so if that's a concern I think 708 00:30:20,360 --> 00:30:21,720 that is also an area we need to make 709 00:30:21,720 --> 00:30:25,360 sure we address this to the point if 710 00:30:25,360 --> 00:30:28,480 buildings are misidentifying themselves 711 00:30:28,480 --> 00:30:31,240 we have to make sure we right side that 712 00:30:31,240 --> 00:30:33,880 issue well the buildings are not 713 00:30:33,880 --> 00:30:36,120 misidentified it's when people do the we 714 00:30:36,120 --> 00:30:39,000 Warrior thing and wejust their buildings 715 00:30:39,000 --> 00:30:40,799 to something we're not aware of and they 716 00:30:40,799 --> 00:30:42,399 don't come in and get their proper 717 00:30:42,399 --> 00:30:44,399 permits so we don't know what's like 718 00:30:44,399 --> 00:30:46,720 them so when they convert a a two unit 719 00:30:46,720 --> 00:30:49,399 to a three unit or a four unit we're not 720 00:30:49,399 --> 00:30:51,600 always made aware that not everybody 721 00:30:51,600 --> 00:30:53,039 comes to the City Hall against the 722 00:30:53,039 --> 00:30:54,760 building permit and follows the 723 00:30:54,760 --> 00:30:57,720 procedure and a couple of things is yes 724 00:30:57,720 --> 00:30:59,159 the 725 00:30:59,159 --> 00:31:01,519 you know if you if you rais the fee just 726 00:31:01,519 --> 00:31:04,519 across the board um that's going to 727 00:31:04,519 --> 00:31:06,679 address everybody pays the same you get 728 00:31:06,679 --> 00:31:08,440 you it's not going to address the people 729 00:31:08,440 --> 00:31:10,000 who are still taking advantage of it and 730 00:31:10,000 --> 00:31:12,360 putting out the big buls of trash the 731 00:31:12,360 --> 00:31:14,000 whole point of this is to address the 732 00:31:14,000 --> 00:31:15,320 people who are putting the excessive 733 00:31:15,320 --> 00:31:17,720 amount of trash out in the bulk items 734 00:31:17,720 --> 00:31:19,039 and they answer the question about a 735 00:31:19,039 --> 00:31:21,159 mattress I think for a hun you know I 736 00:31:21,159 --> 00:31:22,880 think the mattress on a queen says is 737 00:31:22,880 --> 00:31:25,639 $10 so you can put out a whole bedroom 738 00:31:25,639 --> 00:31:29,559 array for about $45 739 00:31:29,559 --> 00:31:31,919 and I don't know I don't buy new 740 00:31:31,919 --> 00:31:33,440 mattress every month but I don't buy a 741 00:31:33,440 --> 00:31:36,080 sofa every couple weeks so it's very you 742 00:31:36,080 --> 00:31:39,120 know most people keep these for 20 years 743 00:31:39,120 --> 00:31:42,440 um but again you have a a straight base 744 00:31:42,440 --> 00:31:45,320 feed adjustment and I as I spoke earlier 745 00:31:45,320 --> 00:31:46,720 we've seen an increase of a half a 746 00:31:46,720 --> 00:31:49,399 million dollars cuz just recycle we 747 00:31:49,399 --> 00:31:51,480 never paid for recycle we're paying a 748 00:31:51,480 --> 00:31:54,760 half a million now for just 749 00:31:54,760 --> 00:31:57,480 recycle so that might address some of 750 00:31:57,480 --> 00:31:59,000 our cost that are going up just 751 00:31:59,000 --> 00:32:00,880 naturally but we still have to address 752 00:32:00,880 --> 00:32:02,240 the cost of the people who are just 753 00:32:02,240 --> 00:32:04,760 putting out you know boatloads of 754 00:32:04,760 --> 00:32:07,320 material along their property and just 755 00:32:07,320 --> 00:32:10,279 paying a modest view for it and so just 756 00:32:10,279 --> 00:32:11,519 closing comment I think that's why it's 757 00:32:11,519 --> 00:32:12,799 important to be intentional with our 758 00:32:12,799 --> 00:32:15,799 words so the $35 increase proposed last 759 00:32:15,799 --> 00:32:17,480 year just raising that would not have 760 00:32:17,480 --> 00:32:18,880 addressed this 761 00:32:18,880 --> 00:32:21,279 issue it 762 00:32:21,279 --> 00:32:26,000 the me yeah I I you know until we get 763 00:32:26,000 --> 00:32:27,679 some data on what we're picking up we've 764 00:32:27,679 --> 00:32:29,919 never gathered data we pick up we do 765 00:32:29,919 --> 00:32:31,919 know that you know we call them you know 766 00:32:31,919 --> 00:32:33,960 the jackpots and the truck pulls up and 767 00:32:33,960 --> 00:32:35,360 it takes you know another truck to come 768 00:32:35,360 --> 00:32:37,519 over and syst 769 00:32:37,519 --> 00:32:39,840 so you know the whole point is 770 00:32:39,840 --> 00:32:41,679 addressing you know the people who are 771 00:32:41,679 --> 00:32:45,960 putting you know 15 20 bags and cans 772 00:32:45,960 --> 00:32:47,600 emptying their you know their rental 773 00:32:47,600 --> 00:32:49,559 units because somebody moved out but 774 00:32:49,559 --> 00:32:50,880 they don't want to pay for a dumpster 775 00:32:50,880 --> 00:32:52,279 they just put it outside cuz C he takes 776 00:32:52,279 --> 00:32:55,230 it for 777 00:32:55,240 --> 00:32:57,440 free well let's just be clear my 778 00:32:57,440 --> 00:33:00,440 proposal so last year's budget was a $52 779 00:33:00,440 --> 00:33:02,480 increase it was a dollar a week last 780 00:33:02,480 --> 00:33:06,120 year again we had to 781 00:33:06,120 --> 00:33:10,080 get uh people to continue to work 782 00:33:10,080 --> 00:33:13,200 here uh Jud with the council we gave the 783 00:33:13,200 --> 00:33:15,399 drivers pay raises to just stay 784 00:33:15,399 --> 00:33:17,960 competitive not only with other 785 00:33:17,960 --> 00:33:21,399 localities but with Private Industry and 786 00:33:21,399 --> 00:33:25,039 so there's an expense here and right now 787 00:33:25,039 --> 00:33:27,159 it's all random there is no way that I 788 00:33:27,159 --> 00:33:30,039 can manage this and build in operational 789 00:33:30,039 --> 00:33:32,080 efficiencies with the structure that's 790 00:33:32,080 --> 00:33:34,960 in place today and what is on the code 791 00:33:34,960 --> 00:33:37,159 what I've told you before it's in the 792 00:33:37,159 --> 00:33:40,960 code nobody in the city's compliant it's 793 00:33:40,960 --> 00:33:42,960 much easier to do the enforcement it's 794 00:33:42,960 --> 00:33:45,880 just $50 a day will be the fine 795 00:33:45,880 --> 00:33:47,559 basically for 796 00:33:47,559 --> 00:33:50,600 everybody my garbage is not 797 00:33:50,600 --> 00:33:53,760 compliant the code says clear bags I'm 798 00:33:53,760 --> 00:33:56,440 using white garbage bags I can't find 799 00:33:56,440 --> 00:33:58,799 clear bags 800 00:33:58,799 --> 00:34:00,159 and just to address it when this was 801 00:34:00,159 --> 00:34:02,480 brought to us um last year into the 802 00:34:02,480 --> 00:34:05,559 budget it was discussed as excessive 803 00:34:05,559 --> 00:34:10,440 garbage jackpot so it wasn't I don't 804 00:34:10,440 --> 00:34:13,200 think um we discussed all these um what 805 00:34:13,200 --> 00:34:16,359 we call it these bulk items here was 806 00:34:16,359 --> 00:34:17,679 discussed last year it's more of 807 00:34:17,679 --> 00:34:20,440 addressing excessive garbage last year 808 00:34:20,440 --> 00:34:24,280 and you're correct Mr Mard 809 00:34:24,280 --> 00:34:29,399 the jackpots is the staff coins to turn 810 00:34:29,399 --> 00:34:30,599 is a 811 00:34:30,599 --> 00:34:34,720 clear situation that has Universal 812 00:34:34,720 --> 00:34:39,560 acceptance those are wrong and incorrect 813 00:34:39,560 --> 00:34:42,280 but where do you draw the line it is a 814 00:34:42,280 --> 00:34:45,240 far more complex analysis from people 815 00:34:45,240 --> 00:34:47,000 who may only be putting out one or two 816 00:34:47,000 --> 00:34:50,159 bags there are people who do very good 817 00:34:50,159 --> 00:34:51,679 uh you know we don't do Source 818 00:34:51,679 --> 00:34:54,879 separation anymore but the single stream 819 00:34:54,879 --> 00:34:58,839 versus uh MSW and how do you put in 820 00:34:58,839 --> 00:35:01,960 place something that is fair Equitable 821 00:35:01,960 --> 00:35:03,280 and 822 00:35:03,280 --> 00:35:07,040 manageable so so um there's seven um CH 823 00:35:07,040 --> 00:35:10,000 gallons trash bag for one container so 824 00:35:10,000 --> 00:35:12,200 if I were to have two two cans out there 825 00:35:12,200 --> 00:35:14,200 with seven bags is that a violation 826 00:35:14,200 --> 00:35:15,720 would that be a violation well it's a 827 00:35:15,720 --> 00:35:17,280 single unit yeah you're you're either 828 00:35:17,280 --> 00:35:19,560 given you know seven bags tied sitting 829 00:35:19,560 --> 00:35:23,480 at the curb or one 45g can now you can 830 00:35:23,480 --> 00:35:24,839 take your seven bags and put it in the 831 00:35:24,839 --> 00:35:26,880 can if you want to keep a nice meat you 832 00:35:26,880 --> 00:35:28,280 know backyard 833 00:35:28,280 --> 00:35:30,400 and it's your choice I mean some people 834 00:35:30,400 --> 00:35:33,839 could fit maybe nine or 10 bags in in a can if they'll fill them all the 835 00:35:33,839 --> 00:35:37,560 way but it's it's either or it's 145g 836 00:35:37,560 --> 00:35:39,920 can or seven bags a lot of people don't 837 00:35:39,920 --> 00:35:41,400 cans they just bring their bags up they 838 00:35:41,400 --> 00:35:43,560 said I'm at the curb and if they're 839 00:35:43,560 --> 00:35:46,520 seven bags we're going to take of stole 840 00:35:46,520 --> 00:35:48,480 the discretion of the council there 841 00:35:48,480 --> 00:35:50,319 would be two 842 00:35:50,319 --> 00:35:53,119 cans one would be for MSW one would be 843 00:35:53,119 --> 00:35:55,119 for recycl what I was trying to get at 844 00:35:55,119 --> 00:35:57,280 if I I'm going to use myself as an 845 00:35:57,280 --> 00:35:59,319 example if I were to have two garbage 846 00:35:59,319 --> 00:36:01,960 can with seven bags one has four one has 847 00:36:01,960 --> 00:36:06,440 three in would that be compliance no in 848 00:36:06,440 --> 00:36:08,920 if if what you are looking at right now 849 00:36:08,920 --> 00:36:11,920 it's either or you get 145 gon can or 850 00:36:11,920 --> 00:36:14,640 seven bags or you double it or triple it 851 00:36:14,640 --> 00:36:17,079 for the units but after three units then 852 00:36:17,079 --> 00:36:20,760 it's a commercial City Cod okay go ahead 853 00:36:20,760 --> 00:36:22,280 please okay so I was thinking that maybe 854 00:36:22,280 --> 00:36:24,680 we need to make I think we're saying 855 00:36:24,680 --> 00:36:26,240 there's a an important distinction 856 00:36:26,240 --> 00:36:28,920 that's not being made here so I think 857 00:36:28,920 --> 00:36:31,000 last year if I remember the conversation 858 00:36:31,000 --> 00:36:33,319 correctly it was primarily around these 859 00:36:33,319 --> 00:36:36,960 jackpots and it was um um The View oh 860 00:36:36,960 --> 00:36:40,480 sorry sure no no what I remember so so 861 00:36:40,480 --> 00:36:42,640 um and it was it was primarily around 862 00:36:42,640 --> 00:36:46,359 the jackpots and but my uh my 863 00:36:46,359 --> 00:36:48,720 recollection it wasn't just me and other 864 00:36:48,720 --> 00:36:50,680 members of the council were saying well 865 00:36:50,680 --> 00:36:53,079 when you have people you know such as 866 00:36:53,079 --> 00:36:54,640 your mother-in-law who's putting out you 867 00:36:54,640 --> 00:36:56,960 know one bag of garbage you know pretty 868 00:36:56,960 --> 00:36:58,720 consistently maybe a lamp or something 869 00:36:58,720 --> 00:37:01,280 like that we don't want because the 870 00:37:01,280 --> 00:37:03,319 neighbor down the street is putting down 871 00:37:03,319 --> 00:37:05,560 a putting out a couch and 25 bags of 872 00:37:05,560 --> 00:37:08,520 garbage that shouldn't increase her 873 00:37:08,520 --> 00:37:11,079 because she's you know making reasonable 874 00:37:11,079 --> 00:37:13,200 Cho choices and you know we don't want 875 00:37:13,200 --> 00:37:17,280 to negatively impact um her as far as 876 00:37:17,280 --> 00:37:19,960 the jackpot so that's one issue then the 877 00:37:19,960 --> 00:37:22,480 other issue is just the increase of cost 878 00:37:22,480 --> 00:37:24,720 and the increase of Labor and that is 879 00:37:24,720 --> 00:37:27,560 something that will be addressed be via 880 00:37:27,560 --> 00:37:29,960 you know increasing the fees all across 881 00:37:29,960 --> 00:37:31,760 the board but I think that a lot of 882 00:37:31,760 --> 00:37:33,280 times in that conversations those issues 883 00:37:33,280 --> 00:37:35,160 were getting conflated and even maybe so 884 00:37:35,160 --> 00:37:37,480 now the point being that the fee 885 00:37:37,480 --> 00:37:41,440 structure is for is to try to manage 886 00:37:41,440 --> 00:37:43,760 some of these jackpots that's happening 887 00:37:43,760 --> 00:37:46,760 and then propos increases is for the 888 00:37:46,760 --> 00:37:49,400 general am I correct about that okay 889 00:37:49,400 --> 00:37:51,520 thank you the cost of the operation Pap 890 00:37:51,520 --> 00:37:53,640 garbage and tip fees fuel oil 891 00:37:53,640 --> 00:37:55,680 maintenance on the vehicles cost of new 892 00:37:55,680 --> 00:37:58,119 vehicles that all goes up our benefits 893 00:37:58,119 --> 00:38:01,280 go off the Union as the mayor spoke you 894 00:38:01,280 --> 00:38:02,760 know there were some increases to keep a 895 00:38:02,760 --> 00:38:04,319 competitive working in the trash it's a 896 00:38:04,319 --> 00:38:06,440 hard job they're out there no matter how 897 00:38:06,440 --> 00:38:08,400 cold it is how wet it is how much snow's 898 00:38:08,400 --> 00:38:11,800 on the ground um to get their pay up 899 00:38:11,800 --> 00:38:14,240 with regards to where it Us and other 900 00:38:14,240 --> 00:38:17,599 communities that covers that they see 901 00:38:17,599 --> 00:38:19,000 but now you got to look at the people 902 00:38:19,000 --> 00:38:22,720 who are increasing it even more because 903 00:38:22,720 --> 00:38:24,200 they're just taking advantage of what 904 00:38:24,200 --> 00:38:26,079 they're putting out there because right 905 00:38:26,079 --> 00:38:28,960 now it's there's no 906 00:38:28,960 --> 00:38:30,359 so to your point would know that 907 00:38:30,359 --> 00:38:31,640 wouldn't have addressed what we're 908 00:38:31,640 --> 00:38:33,560 talking about and I think so and the 909 00:38:33,560 --> 00:38:36,800 other thing is you know Mr turo I think 910 00:38:36,800 --> 00:38:38,760 you your concern around like the 911 00:38:38,760 --> 00:38:40,560 apartmentss and to your kind of Weekend 912 00:38:40,560 --> 00:38:42,720 Warriors I think one of the positive 913 00:38:42,720 --> 00:38:44,760 byproducts of this will be those places 914 00:38:44,760 --> 00:38:47,119 might be more easy to identify for C 915 00:38:47,119 --> 00:38:48,880 because now we'll pull up we say listen 916 00:38:48,880 --> 00:38:50,599 you got this is a two family house and 917 00:38:50,599 --> 00:38:52,119 you're giving me you know six units 918 00:38:52,119 --> 00:38:53,880 worth of trash you know that might be 919 00:38:53,880 --> 00:38:55,319 some indicators where we can start 920 00:38:55,319 --> 00:38:56,760 communicating maybe that makes us more 921 00:38:56,760 --> 00:38:58,640 effect move work more efficiently within 922 00:38:58,640 --> 00:39:00,560 our Cod Department nuisance officers 923 00:39:00,560 --> 00:39:03,000 will generate a notice and we can give 924 00:39:03,000 --> 00:39:05,119 it to codes to do an inspection to see 925 00:39:05,119 --> 00:39:06,760 that they put in extra two apartments 926 00:39:06,760 --> 00:39:09,079 that we wen't aware of there we go thank 927 00:39:09,079 --> 00:39:12,079 you and mayor whenever this is roll out 928 00:39:12,079 --> 00:39:14,079 we intend to have online service so 929 00:39:14,079 --> 00:39:16,760 people can purchase stickers online 930 00:39:16,760 --> 00:39:18,440 we're looking at all those scenarios 931 00:39:18,440 --> 00:39:20,680 would you maybe be able to purchase in 932 00:39:20,680 --> 00:39:22,680 local stores so there would be a 933 00:39:22,680 --> 00:39:25,800 neighborhood convenience uh one scenario 934 00:39:25,800 --> 00:39:28,000 is that we might mail out 935 00:39:28,000 --> 00:39:30,119 a couple of stickers to everybody at the 936 00:39:30,119 --> 00:39:32,560 beginning of the year so you get 937 00:39:32,560 --> 00:39:34,880 some uh there's an assumption you're 938 00:39:34,880 --> 00:39:36,440 going to have something that's going to 939 00:39:36,440 --> 00:39:39,800 exceed the limit that still the 940 00:39:39,800 --> 00:39:41,400 prerogative of the city council to 941 00:39:41,400 --> 00:39:43,200 actually Implement that or put it in 942 00:39:43,200 --> 00:39:46,480 code and then we'll manage it going 943 00:39:46,480 --> 00:39:49,200 forward go ahead please so mayor you 944 00:39:49,200 --> 00:39:50,839 brought this up about the flare and 945 00:39:50,839 --> 00:39:52,920 translation bags and I see that there's 946 00:39:52,920 --> 00:39:55,280 no change within the code but as you 947 00:39:55,280 --> 00:39:58,119 stated they're difficult to find so if 948 00:39:58,119 --> 00:40:02,640 we're going to do this I I think that we need to also address the part of the 949 00:40:02,640 --> 00:40:05,640 code that can't that can't that people 950 00:40:05,640 --> 00:40:06,839 can't comply with because they don't 951 00:40:06,839 --> 00:40:08,440 have the ability to comply with as 952 00:40:08,440 --> 00:40:09,680 opposed to changing all this and then 953 00:40:09,680 --> 00:40:11,000 somebody puts it out in the black bag 954 00:40:11,000 --> 00:40:12,720 they're like well it's not clear not 955 00:40:12,720 --> 00:40:14,960 only do you have eight they're black so 956 00:40:14,960 --> 00:40:16,599 we would need to address that part of 957 00:40:16,599 --> 00:40:19,680 the code to um section 958 00:40:19,680 --> 00:40:22,800 1614h number one uh there's that and 959 00:40:22,800 --> 00:40:24,760 then um Mr lefon you said that we never 960 00:40:24,760 --> 00:40:27,720 collected data on this so 961 00:40:27,720 --> 00:40:30,000 how how is it that we're coming to this 962 00:40:30,000 --> 00:40:31,760 without ever having ever having 963 00:40:31,760 --> 00:40:35,240 collected data and um similar to what 964 00:40:35,240 --> 00:40:38,359 Mr uh Mr manini T the other day did we 965 00:40:38,359 --> 00:40:40,280 do a cost benefit analysis because now 966 00:40:40,280 --> 00:40:42,160 we're talking about putting the stickers 967 00:40:42,160 --> 00:40:45,079 in stores we're talking about increasing 968 00:40:45,079 --> 00:40:46,760 staff time to do some things one of them 969 00:40:46,760 --> 00:40:49,000 is counting bags I know it's nuisance 970 00:40:49,000 --> 00:40:51,480 officers but still that's an added um 971 00:40:51,480 --> 00:40:53,319 responsibility that they don't currently 972 00:40:53,319 --> 00:40:56,800 have so is this going to is it are we 973 00:40:56,800 --> 00:40:58,680 getting it more than we're putting out 974 00:40:58,680 --> 00:41:01,040 in terms of this no I think no matter 975 00:41:01,040 --> 00:41:02,880 what we do we're going to benefit going 976 00:41:02,880 --> 00:41:04,079 forward because right now we're not 977 00:41:04,079 --> 00:41:05,920 doing 978 00:41:05,920 --> 00:41:08,760 anything so you know you look at you 979 00:41:08,760 --> 00:41:11,599 know data we'll start looking at data 980 00:41:11,599 --> 00:41:14,160 because now we're we we we know that 981 00:41:14,160 --> 00:41:16,280 when we're out you know we have 982 00:41:16,280 --> 00:41:18,319 everybody's sing you know the excessive 983 00:41:18,319 --> 00:41:20,680 waste has certain you know properties 984 00:41:20,680 --> 00:41:22,160 here and there all throughout the city 985 00:41:22,160 --> 00:41:23,000 every 986 00:41:23,000 --> 00:41:25,400 neighborhood you know we don't record it 987 00:41:25,400 --> 00:41:27,720 but as we start doing this you know 988 00:41:27,720 --> 00:41:29,119 there will be that because people will 989 00:41:29,119 --> 00:41:30,640 be coming in and buying it we'll know 990 00:41:30,640 --> 00:41:33,520 now if somebody is you know in violation 991 00:41:33,520 --> 00:41:35,960 or needs to get a warning notice um we 992 00:41:35,960 --> 00:41:39,280 can start keeping track of it um but 993 00:41:39,280 --> 00:41:42,200 again it's just been you know a rule of 994 00:41:42,200 --> 00:41:43,839 the city that if it's on 995 00:41:43,839 --> 00:41:46,839 the you know now we know what we're 996 00:41:46,839 --> 00:41:50,720 taking is six bags or 145 gallon can and 997 00:41:50,720 --> 00:41:52,400 you know since the stuff will be paid 998 00:41:52,400 --> 00:41:55,440 through you know uh munist or municity 999 00:41:55,440 --> 00:41:57,000 um it'll be tracked so when people come 1000 00:41:57,000 --> 00:41:59,240 in for for tickets we'll know hey we we 1001 00:41:59,240 --> 00:42:01,319 sold X number of um tickets and the 1002 00:42:01,319 --> 00:42:03,800 revenue was this but we don't know now 1003 00:42:03,800 --> 00:42:06,200 when we pull up the guys go out they 1004 00:42:06,200 --> 00:42:07,480 want to get the job done they're putting 1005 00:42:07,480 --> 00:42:09,160 the bags in they're putting B items in 1006 00:42:09,160 --> 00:42:11,920 they're putting you know you'd be amazed 1007 00:42:11,920 --> 00:42:14,359 at how much um little child Furniture we 1008 00:42:14,359 --> 00:42:17,359 get once children outow the little tiny 1009 00:42:17,359 --> 00:42:19,079 top stuff the plastic stuff just goes 1010 00:42:19,079 --> 00:42:20,880 out on the curve and it's just going 1011 00:42:20,880 --> 00:42:23,760 into the trash um you know it just it 1012 00:42:23,760 --> 00:42:29,640 just goes as normal day trash we don't C every item we're picking 1013 00:42:29,640 --> 00:42:32,160 up and to address your point if you turn 1014 00:42:32,160 --> 00:42:35,079 to the next page um on the draft 1015 00:42:35,079 --> 00:42:37,520 legislation and right almost in the 1016 00:42:37,520 --> 00:42:39,000 middle of the first 1017 00:42:39,000 --> 00:42:41,599 page um your point is addressed there in 1018 00:42:41,599 --> 00:42:45,000 terms of the um plastic bags it's being 1019 00:42:45,000 --> 00:42:47,480 renamed it's still in there we didn't 1020 00:42:47,480 --> 00:42:48,640 there was no suggestion for changing 1021 00:42:48,640 --> 00:42:52,750 that there is a suggestion here on the 1022 00:42:52,760 --> 00:42:56,240 line B in plastic Refuge B section two 1023 00:42:56,240 --> 00:42:58,480 yes clear or trans refuse B we go down 1024 00:42:58,480 --> 00:43:01,599 to the underlying section 1025 00:43:01,599 --> 00:43:05,200 one all residential solid 1026 00:43:05,200 --> 00:43:08,040 ways it's in that section there so it 1027 00:43:08,040 --> 00:43:10,119 doesn't have to be clear any longer that 1028 00:43:10,119 --> 00:43:13,079 is correct as for this dra 1029 00:43:13,079 --> 00:43:15,200 so there was some I thought I heard 1030 00:43:15,200 --> 00:43:16,960 somebody say 1031 00:43:16,960 --> 00:43:20,520 something well so now we are going to a 1032 00:43:20,520 --> 00:43:22,839 public heing this yeah I will just ask 1033 00:43:22,839 --> 00:43:25,520 mrri just brief us on the on the draft 1034 00:43:25,520 --> 00:43:28,960 here so that we can we have question I 1035 00:43:28,960 --> 00:43:31,359 do have one other question um and 1036 00:43:31,359 --> 00:43:32,800 obviously I'm not remember correctly I 1037 00:43:32,800 --> 00:43:36,119 thought that we settled on 32 gallon but 1038 00:43:36,119 --> 00:43:41,240 it's 45 45 and is there in terms of the 1039 00:43:41,240 --> 00:43:44,559 staff and we you talk to be4 about the 1040 00:43:44,559 --> 00:43:46,640 you know how heavy it could be and if it 1041 00:43:46,640 --> 00:43:49,119 rains and stuff gets inside so people 1042 00:43:49,119 --> 00:43:50,160 have to 1043 00:43:50,160 --> 00:43:54,480 have cans that have tops right but we we 1044 00:43:54,480 --> 00:43:56,200 prefer cans to have tops but we all know 1045 00:43:56,200 --> 00:43:57,559 that LDS disappear 1046 00:43:57,559 --> 00:44:00,800 um windy days we know and the one thing 1047 00:44:00,800 --> 00:44:03,079 with trash bags when they're tied and 1048 00:44:03,079 --> 00:44:05,040 the trash is in them they they stay in 1049 00:44:05,040 --> 00:44:07,319 the bag the problem is we have a lot of 1050 00:44:07,319 --> 00:44:09,680 Home properties that put their trash out 1051 00:44:09,680 --> 00:44:11,079 then they carry the loose trash and set 1052 00:44:11,079 --> 00:44:13,839 on top of the bag going in a hurry just 1053 00:44:13,839 --> 00:44:15,839 blown down you know it's just you know 1054 00:44:15,839 --> 00:44:17,240 we talk about in our meetings it's the 1055 00:44:17,240 --> 00:44:19,200 same cardboard our code says cardboard 1056 00:44:19,200 --> 00:44:22,920 supposed to be broken down and tied 1057 00:44:22,920 --> 00:44:25,160 mhm I probably got just as many 1058 00:44:25,160 --> 00:44:27,640 violations as we did with no clear bags 1059 00:44:27,640 --> 00:44:29,520 um you know with the amount of boxes 1060 00:44:29,520 --> 00:44:31,480 people receive now through Amazon and 1061 00:44:31,480 --> 00:44:33,559 everything else they're just putting you 1062 00:44:33,559 --> 00:44:37,920 know boxes on the curtain they're all over the place I mean you 1063 00:44:37,920 --> 00:44:39,880 know we want to Pride ourself on the 1064 00:44:39,880 --> 00:44:42,240 city we want to be you know as clean as 1065 00:44:42,240 --> 00:44:44,359 we can be and we've got to start 1066 00:44:44,359 --> 00:44:46,440 somewhere and one of it is we put out 1067 00:44:46,440 --> 00:44:50,079 the trash shouldn't be tied Force the 1068 00:44:50,079 --> 00:44:52,760 Cod should be in bags or going to use a 1069 00:44:52,760 --> 00:44:55,119 can the top should be on it U but we got 1070 00:44:55,119 --> 00:45:01,470 to prevent the lit from just rolling 1071 00:45:01,480 --> 00:45:03,160 and cardboard is not part of this new 1072 00:45:03,160 --> 00:45:05,319 free structure well cardboard is not 1073 00:45:05,319 --> 00:45:08,000 cardboard is considered rable and but in 1074 00:45:08,000 --> 00:45:09,440 the city code it's supposed to be broken 1075 00:45:09,440 --> 00:45:12,800 down made Flat and tight and we all know 1076 00:45:12,800 --> 00:45:15,000 going down the street and yard was is 1077 00:45:15,000 --> 00:45:16,920 not part of this also yard waste is just 1078 00:45:16,920 --> 00:45:18,760 strictly yard waste we continue to pick 1079 00:45:18,760 --> 00:45:21,200 up yard waste and buy varable bags SE 1080 00:45:21,200 --> 00:45:23,720 says um to the mons that's listed in the 1081 00:45:23,720 --> 00:45:27,280 city c um that goes to the count um yard 1082 00:45:27,280 --> 00:45:29,240 facility you know there are fees 1083 00:45:29,240 --> 00:45:30,559 involved with that we don't we don't 1084 00:45:30,559 --> 00:45:34,150 dispose of our stuff there for 1085 00:45:34,160 --> 00:45:37,000 free uh just one of my final comments uh 1086 00:45:37,000 --> 00:45:38,720 I appreciate the presentation and the 1087 00:45:38,720 --> 00:45:40,800 dialogue around the table sincerely um I 1088 00:45:40,800 --> 00:45:43,079 think my biggest concern is just having 1089 00:45:43,079 --> 00:45:46,640 in adverse impacts on um disadvantaged 1090 00:45:46,640 --> 00:45:49,400 um households for U frequently dis 1091 00:45:49,400 --> 00:45:51,839 disenfranchised I think My worry is 1092 00:45:51,839 --> 00:45:54,040 again to Mr Toro's point like I I can 1093 00:45:54,040 --> 00:45:55,599 actually speak for myself there are some 1094 00:45:55,599 --> 00:45:57,200 Le where you have a lot of bags other 1095 00:45:57,200 --> 00:46:00,520 weeks where you don't and my fear is who 1096 00:46:00,520 --> 00:46:03,520 was that discretion up to if the focus 1097 00:46:03,520 --> 00:46:05,200 is on jackpots so I don't know if 1098 00:46:05,200 --> 00:46:07,119 there's a way to write in to legislation 1099 00:46:07,119 --> 00:46:10,640 our Focus area is on the excessive 12 to 1100 00:46:10,640 --> 00:46:13,119 15 range however to mayor's point we 1101 00:46:13,119 --> 00:46:14,440 need to actually Define what is 1102 00:46:14,440 --> 00:46:16,440 appropriate but I'm in agreement with 1103 00:46:16,440 --> 00:46:18,559 having a no penalty enforcement I think 1104 00:46:18,559 --> 00:46:20,160 there also needs to make there needs to 1105 00:46:20,160 --> 00:46:22,280 be a considered effort with how do we 1106 00:46:22,280 --> 00:46:24,400 get feedback from the community um so I 1107 00:46:24,400 --> 00:46:29,599 think we need to uh focus on that uh as well I give you an 1108 00:46:29,599 --> 00:46:32,440 example my sons live outside the city 1109 00:46:32,440 --> 00:46:34,880 and they have you know one can for 1110 00:46:34,880 --> 00:46:37,480 recycle one private pickup he's got too 1111 00:46:37,480 --> 00:46:39,960 much garbage stays in the garage because 1112 00:46:39,960 --> 00:46:41,680 next week he hopefully doesn't have as 1113 00:46:41,680 --> 00:46:43,920 much and he goes into the camp um you 1114 00:46:43,920 --> 00:46:48,640 know it's how it's done outside it's in a private sector private world 1115 00:46:48,640 --> 00:46:50,960 you know I got four extra bags well I 1116 00:46:50,960 --> 00:46:53,119 know he's not going to take it I leave 1117 00:46:53,119 --> 00:46:54,440 it next to can they help get out because 1118 00:46:54,440 --> 00:46:57,359 they have the war on them truck so it 1119 00:46:57,359 --> 00:47:01,079 stays an extra week and he gets it in um 1120 00:47:01,079 --> 00:47:01,960 you know I 1121 00:47:01,960 --> 00:47:05,160 mean we have a rule if if it's designed 1122 00:47:05,160 --> 00:47:07,680 on and we sort of stick by the best we 1123 00:47:07,680 --> 00:47:11,400 can you know there is a soft start um 1124 00:47:11,400 --> 00:47:13,559 but you know if you start letting 1125 00:47:13,559 --> 00:47:15,040 everybody go it's two bags this week 1126 00:47:15,040 --> 00:47:17,559 well it's three next week then I don't 1127 00:47:17,559 --> 00:47:21,559 know goe I'm sorry I'll shut up after 1128 00:47:21,559 --> 00:47:22,440 this I 1129 00:47:22,440 --> 00:47:25,040 promise I I would push back on that and 1130 00:47:25,040 --> 00:47:27,359 say it's a privilege to have a garage um 1131 00:47:27,359 --> 00:47:29,200 and then also just my comment for the 1132 00:47:29,200 --> 00:47:32,240 record would be I'm strongly opposed to 1133 00:47:32,240 --> 00:47:35,640 based on my one I will agly Define on 1134 00:47:35,640 --> 00:47:38,400 comment my one ride along with the uh 1135 00:47:38,400 --> 00:47:40,359 Municipal Solid Waste crew I will never 1136 00:47:40,359 --> 00:47:43,000 do another one again I SW for weeks what 1137 00:47:43,000 --> 00:47:45,760 they do is impactful and it is not easy 1138 00:47:45,760 --> 00:47:47,760 um I am opposed to any additional work 1139 00:47:47,760 --> 00:47:49,119 being attributed to them what our 1140 00:47:49,119 --> 00:47:51,319 loaders and drivers do already please 1141 00:47:51,319 --> 00:47:53,640 correct me if I'm wrong it is laborous 1142 00:47:53,640 --> 00:47:56,040 for a reason and I would want their 1143 00:47:56,040 --> 00:47:57,359 focus to be on 1144 00:47:57,359 --> 00:47:59,000 loading the trash and driving those 1145 00:47:59,000 --> 00:48:01,559 Vehicles safely and soundly and I think 1146 00:48:01,559 --> 00:48:03,359 we identify any other administrative 1147 00:48:03,359 --> 00:48:06,280 work to go to that that could alter that 1148 00:48:06,280 --> 00:48:09,480 the administrative work um you 1149 00:48:09,480 --> 00:48:12,319 know they're picking it up now so 1150 00:48:12,319 --> 00:48:14,440 whether they pick up seven bags and if 1151 00:48:14,440 --> 00:48:16,599 that's what is decided with the council 1152 00:48:16,599 --> 00:48:18,319 pick up the seven bags going if 1153 00:48:18,319 --> 00:48:20,400 nothing's done and they go to the house 1154 00:48:20,400 --> 00:48:22,480 and there's 47 bags and three counes 1155 00:48:22,480 --> 00:48:23,559 they're going to pick it up anyway 1156 00:48:23,559 --> 00:48:25,359 because that's what we do um the 1157 00:48:25,359 --> 00:48:27,079 administrative were the guys picking up 1158 00:48:27,079 --> 00:48:28,440 that work like doing administrative work 1159 00:48:28,440 --> 00:48:31,400 I have four supervisors and I have four 1160 00:48:31,400 --> 00:48:33,720 nuisance officers and if we're running 1161 00:48:33,720 --> 00:48:37,240 short I'm out there Mr one is out there 1162 00:48:37,240 --> 00:48:39,200 um but we have management staff that's 1163 00:48:39,200 --> 00:48:42,440 out there to assist these issues 1164 00:48:42,440 --> 00:48:44,640 document thingses um the burden wouldn't 1165 00:48:44,640 --> 00:48:46,520 be on the drivers or the labor loaders 1166 00:48:46,520 --> 00:48:47,960 that are actually loading the garbage 1167 00:48:47,960 --> 00:48:50,480 start start taking pictures and you know 1168 00:48:50,480 --> 00:48:53,000 adding another they've got a l like you 1169 00:48:53,000 --> 00:48:54,920 said and they work very hard to do what 1170 00:48:54,920 --> 00:48:58,870 they do thank you I'll 1171 00:48:58,880 --> 00:49:00,680 I I I just want to be clear that I know 1172 00:49:00,680 --> 00:49:03,040 this is necessary 1173 00:49:03,040 --> 00:49:06,839 um and uh to make a point of uh 1174 00:49:06,839 --> 00:49:10,640 commercial uh trash pickup uh my 1175 00:49:10,640 --> 00:49:12,160 daughter's friend that took her almost a 1176 00:49:12,160 --> 00:49:15,160 month to get rid of her uh children's 1177 00:49:15,160 --> 00:49:17,880 boxes from Christmas last year because 1178 00:49:17,880 --> 00:49:19,920 she had to you know break everything 1179 00:49:19,920 --> 00:49:23,079 down put in the garage fill the can you 1180 00:49:23,079 --> 00:49:27,440 know the next week whatever whatever so we've been very fortunate 1181 00:49:27,440 --> 00:49:30,799 um up to this point of being able to to 1182 00:49:30,799 --> 00:49:32,520 get rid of all of our trash in the way 1183 00:49:32,520 --> 00:49:35,760 that we have but again um we need to be 1184 00:49:35,760 --> 00:49:38,480 start start being uh you know a little 1185 00:49:38,480 --> 00:49:42,440 bit more conservative and and um maybe 1186 00:49:42,440 --> 00:49:45,160 even uh little uh piles in our yard 1187 00:49:45,160 --> 00:49:48,119 compost piles of food scraps um things 1188 00:49:48,119 --> 00:49:51,440 like that so um again it's it's now one 1189 00:49:51,440 --> 00:49:53,240 thing I think some of you come back to 1190 00:49:53,240 --> 00:49:54,440 me and said that they've seen an 1191 00:49:54,440 --> 00:49:56,799 improvement based on our nuisance office 1192 00:49:56,799 --> 00:49:58,720 is going out and addressing the early 1193 00:49:58,720 --> 00:50:01,640 hours absolutely and the reason we saw 1194 00:50:01,640 --> 00:50:04,160 that Improvement is we've been writing 1195 00:50:04,160 --> 00:50:06,520 violations because you know we write 1196 00:50:06,520 --> 00:50:10,599 them and people are being educated that 1197 00:50:10,599 --> 00:50:14,470 it's got to be 2:00 or 1198 00:50:14,480 --> 00:50:18,720 later just follow to Mr Williams 1199 00:50:18,720 --> 00:50:23,200 Point his points which are correct but I 1200 00:50:23,200 --> 00:50:26,079 believe that as we go through this it's 1201 00:50:26,079 --> 00:50:27,599 actually going to reduce our waste 1202 00:50:27,599 --> 00:50:29,240 stream because today we have so many 1203 00:50:29,240 --> 00:50:31,599 people that are taking advantage of it 1204 00:50:31,599 --> 00:50:34,559 because there are no rules in place and 1205 00:50:34,559 --> 00:50:39,400 again I'm trying to not do too much at 1206 00:50:39,400 --> 00:50:42,000 once even though we had a robust 1207 00:50:42,000 --> 00:50:44,400 discussion a year ago about this if you 1208 00:50:44,400 --> 00:50:47,400 go back the prior year in my budget 1209 00:50:47,400 --> 00:50:51,480 message I again referenced jackpots in 1210 00:50:51,480 --> 00:50:53,720 that so it's been two years to get us to 1211 00:50:53,720 --> 00:50:57,240 this point if we go to and I'm not 1212 00:50:57,240 --> 00:50:59,359 suggesting this it's just hypothetically 1213 00:50:59,359 --> 00:51:01,720 that some Community might want to go to 1214 00:51:01,720 --> 00:51:04,200 standardized sizes for 1215 00:51:04,200 --> 00:51:07,520 cans and then we can automate the arms 1216 00:51:07,520 --> 00:51:08,880 on the garbage 1217 00:51:08,880 --> 00:51:12,400 trucks which uh other municipalities 1218 00:51:12,400 --> 00:51:14,240 were they've done that reduces their 1219 00:51:14,240 --> 00:51:15,880 workman's comp 1220 00:51:15,880 --> 00:51:18,839 cases and so it's how do you again build 1221 00:51:18,839 --> 00:51:21,839 that efficiency in have rules in place 1222 00:51:21,839 --> 00:51:25,359 that make sense to people and we really 1223 00:51:25,359 --> 00:51:29,359 still have a uh a great system here the 1224 00:51:29,359 --> 00:51:32,559 transfer station the city owns and we uh 1225 00:51:32,559 --> 00:51:35,480 have advantaged by an outside contractor 1226 00:51:35,480 --> 00:51:38,359 is available for people uh not only 1227 00:51:38,359 --> 00:51:40,680 within the city but in the region who 1228 00:51:40,680 --> 00:51:44,280 can go and dump there so if you have uh 1229 00:51:44,280 --> 00:51:47,359 MSW you can go in uh if you have cndd 1230 00:51:47,359 --> 00:51:49,319 material you can go in and then there 1231 00:51:49,319 --> 00:51:51,880 are also private companies immediately 1232 00:51:51,880 --> 00:51:54,720 adjacent to that site who do a lot of 1233 00:51:54,720 --> 00:51:57,680 recycling so if somebody has paper if 1234 00:51:57,680 --> 00:51:59,280 they have metal Goods so they can go 1235 00:51:59,280 --> 00:52:01,240 down there and actually get a little bit 1236 00:52:01,240 --> 00:52:04,240 of money for uh the material that 1237 00:52:04,240 --> 00:52:06,119 otherwise might just be treated solely 1238 00:52:06,119 --> 00:52:09,630 as 1239 00:52:09,640 --> 00:52:12,720 garbage I just ask Mr Brian just a brief 1240 00:52:12,720 --> 00:52:14,640 us on the 1241 00:52:14,640 --> 00:52:16,760 dra I know there there's been a lot of 1242 00:52:16,760 --> 00:52:18,599 comparison to the suburbs versus the 1243 00:52:18,599 --> 00:52:21,119 city but an urban area versus suburbs 1244 00:52:21,119 --> 00:52:22,079 most of the people out there are 1245 00:52:22,079 --> 00:52:24,000 homeowners we're we're dealing with a 1246 00:52:24,000 --> 00:52:26,119 lot of renters in the city so I don't 1247 00:52:26,119 --> 00:52:29,040 know that can necessarily kind to try to 1248 00:52:29,040 --> 00:52:31,599 um apply the same thing but I mean I 1249 00:52:31,599 --> 00:52:32,920 live in I don't have a garage people in 1250 00:52:32,920 --> 00:52:34,839 the city do but and maybe many people 1251 00:52:34,839 --> 00:52:36,400 that are homeowners in suburbs and 1252 00:52:36,400 --> 00:52:38,720 surrounding areas have garages that 1253 00:52:38,720 --> 00:52:40,480 doesn't apply so I want to be careful 1254 00:52:40,480 --> 00:52:42,160 that we're not trying to compare 1255 00:52:42,160 --> 00:52:44,400 ourselves to a municipality or a 1256 00:52:44,400 --> 00:52:46,680 surrounding area even within the SK 1257 00:52:46,680 --> 00:52:48,520 County that this it's not going to be 1258 00:52:48,520 --> 00:52:51,870 the same kind of 1259 00:52:51,880 --> 00:52:53,880 thing I was sitting here at the 1260 00:52:53,880 --> 00:52:55,119 inspection report since the mayor 1261 00:52:55,119 --> 00:52:56,880 mentioned the transfer station the state 1262 00:52:56,880 --> 00:52:59,720 inspected our transfer station today and 1263 00:52:59,720 --> 00:53:03,119 um it was all satisfactory no violations 1264 00:53:03,119 --> 00:53:05,160 and nothing there so our contract 1265 00:53:05,160 --> 00:53:10,870 operator trans 1266 00:53:10,880 --> 00:53:13,680 station I I do want to say that uh the 1267 00:53:13,680 --> 00:53:16,440 city of Troy did buy chance for every 1268 00:53:16,440 --> 00:53:22,680 resident um you know oh yeah so the city 1269 00:53:22,680 --> 00:53:24,760 no no no I I know we're not suggesting 1270 00:53:24,760 --> 00:53:27,359 that but we did have AR funds but again 1271 00:53:27,359 --> 00:53:30,119 their trucks now can uh use the one arm 1272 00:53:30,119 --> 00:53:32,079 to to empty things and and I know Mr 1273 00:53:32,079 --> 00:53:34,400 Leon reached out to troit again and the 1274 00:53:34,400 --> 00:53:36,160 committee we we did reach out to every 1275 00:53:36,160 --> 00:53:39,720 municipality that was Amsterdam Troy UDA 1276 00:53:39,720 --> 00:53:46,119 um H just just recently so again we're we're moving in in a direction 1277 00:53:46,119 --> 00:53:48,799 where you know we need to go um but I 1278 00:53:48,799 --> 00:53:49,960 think there's a little bit of work that 1279 00:53:49,960 --> 00:53:52,559 the council can still do so and that's 1280 00:53:52,559 --> 00:53:54,079 why we're here we're here discussing it 1281 00:53:54,079 --> 00:53:56,720 to move forward because um it's added in 1282 00:53:56,720 --> 00:54:00,000 the 2025 budget the revenue associ with 1283 00:54:00,000 --> 00:54:02,559 this increase Mr Brian can you just 1284 00:54:02,559 --> 00:54:04,839 brief us on on the changes of draft 1285 00:54:04,839 --> 00:54:06,480 legislation 1286 00:54:06,480 --> 00:54:09,680 um thank you Mr chairman uh in your 1287 00:54:09,680 --> 00:54:12,000 packets this week uh you've gotten a 1288 00:54:12,000 --> 00:54:14,599 rough rough outline working draft of the 1289 00:54:14,599 --> 00:54:16,079 sections of the code there's going to be 1290 00:54:16,079 --> 00:54:17,680 various sections of the code that 1291 00:54:17,680 --> 00:54:20,480 they're going to have to be uh amended 1292 00:54:20,480 --> 00:54:22,119 the new materials underlined at the 1293 00:54:22,119 --> 00:54:24,960 bracket materials taken out um we've 1294 00:54:24,960 --> 00:54:26,880 already talked about the size of it the 1295 00:54:26,880 --> 00:54:30,200 garbage cans and the plastic bags um 1296 00:54:30,200 --> 00:54:33,400 based on follow Mr fund mentioned 1297 00:54:33,400 --> 00:54:36,119 earlier and the concerns council members 1298 00:54:36,119 --> 00:54:39,640 um there's a 164-1 n it's not all the 1299 00:54:39,640 --> 00:54:42,799 way in there but it's uh penalties for 1300 00:54:42,799 --> 00:54:45,040 offenses subdivision one that will be a 1301 00:54:45,040 --> 00:54:47,200 grace period uh following the effective 1302 00:54:47,200 --> 00:54:49,480 date of the amendments to this chapter 1303 00:54:49,480 --> 00:54:50,960 this is language that was in the 1304 00:54:50,960 --> 00:54:54,079 original chapter 161 when they enacted 1305 00:54:54,079 --> 00:54:56,960 it there was a there was a vision of a 1306 00:54:56,960 --> 00:54:59,680 grace period put in the original chapter 1307 00:54:59,680 --> 00:55:03,520 161 um this is um going along with that 1308 00:55:03,520 --> 00:55:06,799 uh the original uh 161 grace period but 1309 00:55:06,799 --> 00:55:09,079 updating it uh when there shall be only 1310 00:55:09,079 --> 00:55:11,119 a verbal written warnings issued to 1311 00:55:11,119 --> 00:55:12,880 violators of this chapter during this 1312 00:55:12,880 --> 00:55:14,960 time period from the effective date of 1313 00:55:14,960 --> 00:55:17,760 the Amendments which would be January 1 1314 00:55:17,760 --> 00:55:19,880 uh uh to the enforcement date of April 1315 00:55:19,880 --> 00:55:21,799 1st there shall be an intensive program 1316 00:55:21,799 --> 00:55:24,559 of notification education on amended uh 1317 00:55:24,559 --> 00:55:27,039 procedures and Associated fees 1318 00:55:27,039 --> 00:55:29,359 so it's mandating the city to go through 1319 00:55:29,359 --> 00:55:31,480 a a procedure for the first four you 1320 00:55:31,480 --> 00:55:35,000 know 3 months uh uh before any sort of 1321 00:55:35,000 --> 00:55:37,039 enforcements going in and that's really 1322 00:55:37,039 --> 00:55:38,920 language that was from the original 1323 00:55:38,920 --> 00:55:41,599 chapter 161 when that was enacted so 1324 00:55:41,599 --> 00:55:43,359 just updating that and applying it to 1325 00:55:43,359 --> 00:55:45,359 this particular case it was en Vision 1326 00:55:45,359 --> 00:55:49,599 when this uh this chapter was put in 1327 00:55:49,599 --> 00:55:51,240 that there would be a it would have to 1328 00:55:51,240 --> 00:55:53,079 be an education perod and that's just 1329 00:55:53,079 --> 00:55:54,640 updating it for these 1330 00:55:54,640 --> 00:55:57,960 amendments um 1331 00:55:57,960 --> 00:56:01,319 as uh also we're looking at various 1332 00:56:01,319 --> 00:56:02,880 sections of 1333 00:56:02,880 --> 00:56:06,400 161 D Article Five is really the fee 1334 00:56:06,400 --> 00:56:09,079 based uh system of collection of solid 1335 00:56:09,079 --> 00:56:11,640 waste and recyclables Article Five of 1336 00:56:11,640 --> 00:56:14,319 chapter 161 is the the fee schedule that 1337 00:56:14,319 --> 00:56:17,400 we've been discussing as far as the fees 1338 00:56:17,400 --> 00:56:20,520 to all residencies this is kind of this 1339 00:56:20,520 --> 00:56:25,920 is uh going into greater detail than and it's in there right now besides 1340 00:56:25,920 --> 00:56:27,680 going once again for the sides of the 1341 00:56:27,680 --> 00:56:32,319 cans and the the plastic bags it is 1342 00:56:32,319 --> 00:56:35,799 trying to wrap it my it is dealing with 1343 00:56:35,799 --> 00:56:39,079 that issue of excess res residential 1344 00:56:39,079 --> 00:56:41,760 Solid Waste or bulky items it's it's 1345 00:56:41,760 --> 00:56:44,480 dealing with the if it's more than what 1346 00:56:44,480 --> 00:56:47,440 it is said here then it's then those 1347 00:56:47,440 --> 00:56:51,000 fees will be in place those stickers 1348 00:56:51,000 --> 00:56:56,240 will be required so um that is said 1349 00:56:56,240 --> 00:56:59,119 setting forth was the schedule um 1350 00:56:59,119 --> 00:57:01,119 dealing with the the schedules we saw 1351 00:57:01,119 --> 00:57:03,960 separately that are also part of this um 1352 00:57:03,960 --> 00:57:05,680 Furniture couches 1353 00:57:05,680 --> 00:57:09,359 Etc um and then Property Owners May 1354 00:57:09,359 --> 00:57:12,039 purchase excess uh residential Solid 1355 00:57:12,039 --> 00:57:14,640 Waste stickers to fix to their items 1356 00:57:14,640 --> 00:57:16,799 there was a discussion of $5 per sticker 1357 00:57:16,799 --> 00:57:19,359 that's just a that's in there if the 1358 00:57:19,359 --> 00:57:21,880 council wants to change it that's up to 1359 00:57:21,880 --> 00:57:23,440 then stickers will be available at the 1360 00:57:23,440 --> 00:57:25,079 city clerk's office and the department 1361 00:57:25,079 --> 00:57:26,720 General Services office 1362 00:57:26,720 --> 00:57:29,640 right now that's just for discussion 1363 00:57:29,640 --> 00:57:32,160 purposes if everybody's okay with that 1364 00:57:32,160 --> 00:57:35,200 as we go forward that can stay in there 1365 00:57:35,200 --> 00:57:37,599 um and then each property owner be 1366 00:57:37,599 --> 00:57:39,559 issued free excess residential solid 1367 00:57:39,559 --> 00:57:41,799 voice stickers each calendar year once 1368 00:57:41,799 --> 00:57:44,119 again that can be adjusted that's just 1369 00:57:44,119 --> 00:57:45,760 you know for discussion purposes if you 1370 00:57:45,760 --> 00:57:50,309 want to come back and amend it 1371 00:57:50,319 --> 00:57:53,440 um and then it goes through other 1372 00:57:53,440 --> 00:57:55,000 sections that are not being amended and 1373 00:57:55,000 --> 00:57:57,640 then dealing with the issue is of uh the 1374 00:57:57,640 --> 00:58:00,000 depositing of public collection for 1375 00:58:00,000 --> 00:58:01,839 public collection of solid waste not 1376 00:58:01,839 --> 00:58:03,520 originating in the city shall be 1377 00:58:03,520 --> 00:58:05,400 considered an unclassified misdemeanor 1378 00:58:05,400 --> 00:58:07,079 that's under 1379 00:58:07,079 --> 00:58:10,480 16126 penalties for offenses creating a 1380 00:58:10,480 --> 00:58:13,760 new paragraph D indicating that if that 1381 00:58:13,760 --> 00:58:16,480 is done then there'll be a fine up to 1382 00:58:16,480 --> 00:58:21,559 $1,000 or up to 100 day 180 days per per 1383 00:58:21,559 --> 00:58:24,799 occurrence so that's upping the the 1384 00:58:24,799 --> 00:58:28,039 people who may be bringing trash you 1385 00:58:28,039 --> 00:58:30,119 putting the penalty to that 1386 00:58:30,119 --> 00:58:32,599 particular uh 1387 00:58:32,599 --> 00:58:35,480 violation so the way ahead the way ahead 1388 00:58:35,480 --> 00:58:37,319 is you've got a working draft in front 1389 00:58:37,319 --> 00:58:39,880 of you you've got the permits uh the the 1390 00:58:39,880 --> 00:58:43,000 schedule of fees that Mr lefon uh gave 1391 00:58:43,000 --> 00:58:45,960 you last week as well you can call for a 1392 00:58:45,960 --> 00:58:47,880 public hearing which would be on uh 1393 00:58:47,880 --> 00:58:50,520 November 12th Tuesday November 12th if 1394 00:58:50,520 --> 00:58:53,480 you put it on for these this working 1395 00:58:53,480 --> 00:58:56,440 draft plus the the schedule of fees that 1396 00:58:56,440 --> 00:58:59,200 fond put together can be posted on the 1397 00:58:59,200 --> 00:59:02,760 city's website for for comment so at 1398 00:59:02,760 --> 00:59:04,440 that public hearing on the 1399 00:59:04,440 --> 00:59:07,559 12th um you that would be the time 1400 00:59:07,559 --> 00:59:10,520 period for public comments on this at 1401 00:59:10,520 --> 00:59:12,799 Citywide and then this would come back 1402 00:59:12,799 --> 00:59:18,520 to the uh committee uh for final action 1403 00:59:18,520 --> 00:59:21,880 uh so uh that's the way ahead um this is 1404 00:59:21,880 --> 00:59:24,440 just a working draft it's it's it's 1405 00:59:24,440 --> 00:59:26,480 indicating those areas of the code that 1406 00:59:26,480 --> 00:59:30,000 need to be changed and uh and dealing 1407 00:59:30,000 --> 00:59:32,440 with the plastic bags and the excess 1408 00:59:32,440 --> 00:59:35,720 solid waste and the fee schedule and uh 1409 00:59:35,720 --> 00:59:41,760 so really based on that it's it's a it's a public hearing on this on the 1410 00:59:41,760 --> 00:59:44,559 fees and then any sort of amendments 1411 00:59:44,559 --> 00:59:47,200 changes whatever you know after the 1412 00:59:47,200 --> 00:59:50,520 public hearing you can adjust 1413 00:59:50,520 --> 00:59:53,839 accordingly Mr I just want to touch on 1414 00:59:53,839 --> 01:00:01,549 16124 um the U EX sorry 25 1415 01:00:01,559 --> 01:00:03,680 exemptions yeah those exemptions are not 1416 01:00:03,680 --> 01:00:06,760 being changed the exemptions that are in 1417 01:00:06,760 --> 01:00:10,559 the current ordinates are not being 1418 01:00:10,559 --> 01:00:14,240 changed so any person because of age or 1419 01:00:14,240 --> 01:00:17,079 disability etc those the exemptions that 1420 01:00:17,079 --> 01:00:19,400 are in the C current uh code are not 1421 01:00:19,400 --> 01:00:20,599 being 1422 01:00:20,599 --> 01:00:25,119 changed um so uh that was the original 1423 01:00:25,119 --> 01:00:27,599 uh section was put into place when the 1424 01:00:27,599 --> 01:00:31,039 uh the garbage fees as a separate item 1425 01:00:31,039 --> 01:00:32,720 in the in the in the city budget was 1426 01:00:32,720 --> 01:00:35,640 created back some years ago so that was 1427 01:00:35,640 --> 01:00:40,270 the original language 1428 01:00:40,280 --> 01:00:43,319 so any question go ahead please so in 1429 01:00:43,319 --> 01:00:44,760 the um in the changes that you 1430 01:00:44,760 --> 01:00:46,799 highlighted in in in that are 1431 01:00:46,799 --> 01:00:48,799 highlighted in yellow so we're talking 1432 01:00:48,799 --> 01:00:51,440 about seven days right seven seven is 1433 01:00:51,440 --> 01:00:53,839 the number now that was that was the 1434 01:00:53,839 --> 01:00:56,319 consensus once again that you can have 1435 01:00:56,319 --> 01:00:58,000 that's just is a proposal that's a 1436 01:00:58,000 --> 01:01:00,440 proposal and that can Beed it says six 1437 01:01:00,440 --> 01:01:02,280 in here that's my point 1438 01:01:02,280 --> 01:01:03,799 okay 1439 01:01:03,799 --> 01:01:06,039 that's and in the places where it talks 1440 01:01:06,039 --> 01:01:07,760 about it it says that they first of all 1441 01:01:07,760 --> 01:01:09,240 that there could be two containers and 1442 01:01:09,240 --> 01:01:11,839 my understanding that can only be one 1443 01:01:11,839 --> 01:01:13,480 and then it says that um no more than 1444 01:01:13,480 --> 01:01:14,960 six plastic bags so I just want to make 1445 01:01:14,960 --> 01:01:16,559 sure if we're putting this out for 1446 01:01:16,559 --> 01:01:19,000 public hearing that it's consistent to 1447 01:01:19,000 --> 01:01:20,359 what we're 1448 01:01:20,359 --> 01:01:22,720 discussing residential Solid Waste shall 1449 01:01:22,720 --> 01:01:24,440 be placed in no more than two containers 1450 01:01:24,440 --> 01:01:28,000 and no more than seven 13 gon bags with 1451 01:01:28,000 --> 01:01:31,039 and then go further down it says six 1452 01:01:31,039 --> 01:01:34,680 which which one on page 74 it says 1453 01:01:34,680 --> 01:01:37,280 residential child is not fitting within 1454 01:01:37,280 --> 01:01:42,180 the containers or six 1455 01:01:42,190 --> 01:01:46,750 [Music] 1456 01:01:46,760 --> 01:01:48,920 classif no more than 1457 01:01:48,920 --> 01:01:51,839 seven more 1458 01:01:51,839 --> 01:01:56,839 than oh okay the typo got it and and 1459 01:01:56,839 --> 01:01:59,119 when it appears again on page 75 it's 1460 01:01:59,119 --> 01:02:01,359 the same it's the same paragraph okay 1461 01:02:01,359 --> 01:02:02,880 got it thank 1462 01:02:02,880 --> 01:02:06,359 you so so just going back Mr to the to 1463 01:02:06,359 --> 01:02:08,720 the question I asked you where we said 1464 01:02:08,720 --> 01:02:12,799 145 gallon 7 13 gallons of trash but if 1465 01:02:12,799 --> 01:02:15,079 you go to the underlining section here 1466 01:02:15,079 --> 01:02:17,720 section two it says two 1467 01:02:17,720 --> 01:02:19,920 containers and was the reason why I as 1468 01:02:19,920 --> 01:02:24,119 that it's it's 145 145 so we'll need to 1469 01:02:24,119 --> 01:02:27,799 um you know or we to Define it as a 1470 01:02:27,799 --> 01:02:29,880 separate container for your recycl yeah 1471 01:02:29,880 --> 01:02:31,680 so you just want to have one container 1472 01:02:31,680 --> 01:02:34,119 that's solid that's we're having this 1473 01:02:34,119 --> 01:02:36,480 discussion sh with no more than two 1474 01:02:36,480 --> 01:02:38,680 containers so it's we need to change 1475 01:02:38,680 --> 01:02:40,440 that to one container which number well 1476 01:02:40,440 --> 01:02:43,720 it's one is for MSW is 1477 01:02:43,720 --> 01:02:48,160 for a solid yeah but we should St we 1478 01:02:48,160 --> 01:02:52,079 want one container Rec one for okay so 1479 01:02:52,079 --> 01:02:57,430 we might have to Define change that 1480 01:02:57,440 --> 01:03:02,279 page 76 just to no just to be CU 1481 01:03:02,279 --> 01:03:04,400 recycles a different we just want to 1482 01:03:04,400 --> 01:03:05,960 make sure we just want to stay with 1483 01:03:05,960 --> 01:03:09,440 solid W yeah 1484 01:03:09,440 --> 01:03:13,319 okay goe last on the same page 76 last 1485 01:03:13,319 --> 01:03:17,799 very last sentence yes I should read fee 1486 01:03:17,799 --> 01:03:21,240 $15 and then in parentheses yes thank 1487 01:03:21,240 --> 01:03:26,839 you right at the bottom1 91 15 thank you 1488 01:03:26,839 --> 01:03:29,760 that would that was a holding placeold 1489 01:03:29,760 --> 01:03:31,799 that can be 1490 01:03:31,799 --> 01:03:35,880 deleted okay so we'll make not of those 1491 01:03:35,880 --> 01:03:38,400 um minor 1492 01:03:38,400 --> 01:03:40,400 Corrections align with us go ahead 1493 01:03:40,400 --> 01:03:42,359 please and then recommendation on page 1494 01:03:42,359 --> 01:03:44,760 75 I know it outlines that there will be 1495 01:03:44,760 --> 01:03:47,760 a grace period of 90 days can we also 1496 01:03:47,760 --> 01:03:50,000 include that we oversee a presentation a 1497 01:03:50,000 --> 01:03:53,160 report I think hearing what the nuisance 1498 01:03:53,160 --> 01:03:55,000 officers are seeing in the city would 1499 01:03:55,000 --> 01:03:57,720 help guide our recommendation whether to 1500 01:03:57,720 --> 01:03:58,720 proceed or 1501 01:03:58,720 --> 01:04:02,119 not do you want a report on 1502 01:04:02,119 --> 01:04:05,000 that um 1503 01:04:05,000 --> 01:04:07,400 Council we can put that in there I mean 1504 01:04:07,400 --> 01:04:09,799 that's no big what and there should be a 1505 01:04:09,799 --> 01:04:11,119 report from 1506 01:04:11,119 --> 01:04:16,680 the presented by the council by March 1507 01:04:16,680 --> 01:04:20,880 30th i i i a mail with that report that 1508 01:04:20,880 --> 01:04:22,839 we received last week when we doing 1509 01:04:22,839 --> 01:04:24,839 budget may have mention that that report 1510 01:04:24,839 --> 01:04:28,880 can be available every month to us well 1511 01:04:28,880 --> 01:04:30,680 that's the city if you want a specific 1512 01:04:30,680 --> 01:04:36,200 one performance here we do it I don't 1513 01:04:36,200 --> 01:04:38,720 know I don't if I want it by the end of 1514 01:04:38,720 --> 01:04:44,319 March probably go to April or May so we 1515 01:04:44,319 --> 01:04:47,119 have some soft enforcement may we' 1516 01:04:47,119 --> 01:04:54,630 actually started the for 1517 01:04:54,640 --> 01:04:57,839 enforcement thank you any other question 1518 01:04:57,839 --> 01:04:59,400 on the draft 1519 01:04:59,400 --> 01:05:02,079 legislation the changes uh that was 1520 01:05:02,079 --> 01:05:04,720 suggested are not to it so Mr Ryan is 1521 01:05:04,720 --> 01:05:06,799 going to make um those 1522 01:05:06,799 --> 01:05:09,359 changes that will be amended and then 1523 01:05:09,359 --> 01:05:13,559 sent out to and then posted City close 1524 01:05:13,559 --> 01:05:14,680 to 1525 01:05:14,680 --> 01:05:18,200 the any other question on this I do see 1526 01:05:18,200 --> 01:05:20,960 some clarity around the the the 45 1527 01:05:20,960 --> 01:05:23,960 gallons versus the 75 1528 01:05:23,960 --> 01:05:28,799 lb prob you go to the matter expert on 1529 01:05:28,799 --> 01:05:32,079 that have you had a chance to look at 1530 01:05:32,079 --> 01:05:36,240 that we we do have the 75 lbs in there 1531 01:05:36,240 --> 01:05:37,599 and that goes back from years ago just 1532 01:05:37,599 --> 01:05:39,640 to try and prevent injuries with the 1533 01:05:39,640 --> 01:05:42,799 guys with the bags most of the time you 1534 01:05:42,799 --> 01:05:44,359 know the guys going to pull the BS out 1535 01:05:44,359 --> 01:05:47,359 the sometimes they gra out the camp and 1536 01:05:47,359 --> 01:05:48,799 some guys want to get them quicker some 1537 01:05:48,799 --> 01:05:50,079 guys take their time a little bit a 1538 01:05:50,079 --> 01:05:53,960 little more safer um you know again if 1539 01:05:53,960 --> 01:05:56,240 you're if you're doing seven bags 1540 01:05:56,240 --> 01:06:00,760 and each bag is I don't know 15 lb or lb 1541 01:06:00,760 --> 01:06:02,160 they all the one can it's going to 1542 01:06:02,160 --> 01:06:05,119 exceed 75 lb okay and object is you just 1543 01:06:05,119 --> 01:06:06,799 take the bags out of the can that's what 1544 01:06:06,799 --> 01:06:09,599 we do now um it gets a 1545 01:06:09,599 --> 01:06:12,400 little spicy when you put pounds in 1546 01:06:12,400 --> 01:06:14,520 something or bags in something you know 1547 01:06:14,520 --> 01:06:16,640 everybody you know somebody may have a 1548 01:06:16,640 --> 01:06:18,520 lot of just light garbage it's light 1549 01:06:18,520 --> 01:06:19,920 somebody may have a lot of heavy garbage 1550 01:06:19,920 --> 01:06:22,440 a lot of people pick up their yards from 1551 01:06:22,440 --> 01:06:28,950 their dogs they heavy garbage 1552 01:06:28,960 --> 01:06:31,319 all right any other question of this all 1553 01:06:31,319 --> 01:06:34,200 right so we have some you will receive 1554 01:06:34,200 --> 01:06:36,079 the amended version with those um 1555 01:06:36,079 --> 01:06:38,279 recommended changes so we need to call 1556 01:06:38,279 --> 01:06:41,079 for a public hearing uh for November 1557 01:06:41,079 --> 01:06:44,960 12th council meeting motion to call for 1558 01:06:44,960 --> 01:06:45,880 a public 1559 01:06:45,880 --> 01:06:49,880 hearing all in favor thank you um thank 1560 01:06:49,880 --> 01:06:51,550 you thank you 1561 01:06:51,550 --> 01:06:57,029 [Music] 1562 01:06:57,039 --> 01:07:00,520 the next item is a reminder amending 1563 01:07:00,520 --> 01:07:01,640 section 1564 01:07:01,640 --> 01:07:03,200 15191 1565 01:07:03,200 --> 01:07:04,960 1382 1566 01:07:04,960 --> 01:07:07,440 13823 1567 01:07:07,440 --> 01:07:09,720 13843 1568 01:07:09,720 --> 01:07:14,559 15714 183 d10 to 10-14 of the city 1569 01:07:14,559 --> 01:07:17,440 ofcity code related to the increase in 1570 01:07:17,440 --> 01:07:22,150 set fees and adapting the building 1571 01:07:22,160 --> 01:07:24,440 code related to the increase set Fe 1572 01:07:24,440 --> 01:07:26,279 adoped building code administrative fee 1573 01:07:26,279 --> 01:07:28,520 schedule person section 1574 01:07:28,520 --> 01:07:30,440 137-7 1575 01:07:30,440 --> 01:07:33,200 13821 and 1576 01:07:33,200 --> 01:07:37,880 1381 that one of the connected DD Cod 1577 01:07:37,880 --> 01:07:40,880 public hearing is scheduled for October 1578 01:07:40,880 --> 01:07:43,000 28th this is just a 1579 01:07:43,000 --> 01:07:45,920 reminder the public here will be on the 1580 01:07:45,920 --> 01:07:49,079 October 28th next 1581 01:07:49,079 --> 01:07:51,440 Monday the next item is 1582 01:07:51,440 --> 01:07:54,440 review the 2025 proposed operating 1583 01:07:54,440 --> 01:07:56,279 budget and capital budget for the city 1584 01:07:56,279 --> 01:07:59,160 of conc we had a public hearing on 1585 01:07:59,160 --> 01:08:02,349 October the 1586 01:08:02,359 --> 01:08:04,760 15th are there any question related to 1587 01:08:04,760 --> 01:08:07,279 that we still have ongoing um budget um 1588 01:08:07,279 --> 01:08:10,240 discussion will continue um this 1589 01:08:10,240 --> 01:08:13,039 evening any question on this no question 1590 01:08:13,039 --> 01:08:14,440 just want to be noted we did have four 1591 01:08:14,440 --> 01:08:18,199 speakers at the public hearing okay any 1592 01:08:18,199 --> 01:08:20,950 other 1593 01:08:20,960 --> 01:08:25,120 comment the next item is review to amend 1594 01:08:25,120 --> 01:08:25,960 section 1595 01:08:25,960 --> 01:08:29,880 124-133 and 12422 of the city connected 1596 01:08:29,880 --> 01:08:31,920 city code increase administrative fee 1597 01:08:31,920 --> 01:08:34,719 regarding Force alarm call we had a 1598 01:08:34,719 --> 01:08:37,359 public Hearing in October the 15th are 1599 01:08:37,359 --> 01:08:40,080 there any question related to this 1600 01:08:40,080 --> 01:08:45,159 item no public hearing yes noted any 1601 01:08:45,159 --> 01:08:48,080 question seeing none I will call for a 1602 01:08:48,080 --> 01:08:51,560 motion to move this item 1603 01:08:51,560 --> 01:08:53,679 forward wait one 1604 01:08:53,679 --> 01:08:56,440 second that was the the discussion that 1605 01:08:56,440 --> 01:08:58,560 we were still waiting to get feedback 1606 01:08:58,560 --> 01:09:00,759 from police department on what these 1607 01:09:00,759 --> 01:09:03,799 specifically identify for the 1608 01:09:03,799 --> 01:09:08,229 warnings I thought we we received 1609 01:09:08,239 --> 01:09:10,920 that for clarification purposes did we 1610 01:09:10,920 --> 01:09:12,319 actually attribute a number to that I 1611 01:09:12,319 --> 01:09:14,000 know we reduce the amount of warnings 1612 01:09:14,000 --> 01:09:18,430 they would get what's the question I'm 1613 01:09:18,440 --> 01:09:19,960 sorry 1614 01:09:19,960 --> 01:09:22,520 please if you don't mind um Mr William 1615 01:09:22,520 --> 01:09:24,239 just repeat the question I think we had 1616 01:09:24,239 --> 01:09:26,480 the documents here to it 1617 01:09:26,480 --> 01:09:28,319 from from 1618 01:09:28,319 --> 01:09:30,600 EX four to 1619 01:09:30,600 --> 01:09:33,080 two and then I again I got the 1620 01:09:33,080 --> 01:09:35,000 discussion that Miss Patrick and I have 1621 01:09:35,000 --> 01:09:37,159 were attributing like additional fees to 1622 01:09:37,159 --> 01:09:39,480 increase the number of warnings um if 1623 01:09:39,480 --> 01:09:41,199 Miss Patrick still 1624 01:09:41,199 --> 01:09:44,400 isn't wanting to do that also I would 1625 01:09:44,400 --> 01:09:46,359 want to proceed but I think it was we 1626 01:09:46,359 --> 01:09:48,719 were going from 4 to2 which was an 1627 01:09:48,719 --> 01:09:51,480 additional cost savings and then I can 1628 01:09:51,480 --> 01:09:53,319 only speak for myself wanting to raise 1629 01:09:53,319 --> 01:09:55,520 those attributing fees for like 1630 01:09:55,520 --> 01:09:57,199 violation the second violation the third 1631 01:09:57,199 --> 01:10:04,040 violation because as we identified the uh physical and just the opportunity 1632 01:10:04,040 --> 01:10:06,400 cost of sending a response team has an 1633 01:10:06,400 --> 01:10:08,560 exorbitant like Financial implication on 1634 01:10:08,560 --> 01:10:10,360 the city so although we'll neverly 1635 01:10:10,360 --> 01:10:14,159 approve that I at least think it's more 1636 01:10:14,159 --> 01:10:15,040 than 1637 01:10:15,040 --> 01:10:17,159 $25 that was the 1638 01:10:17,159 --> 01:10:19,520 compensation so I I would love your 1639 01:10:19,520 --> 01:10:21,320 recommendation if you have one of how to 1640 01:10:21,320 --> 01:10:22,480 proceed but I think outside just 1641 01:10:22,480 --> 01:10:25,080 arbitrarily just applying a a number to 1642 01:10:25,080 --> 01:10:27,480 it I know that's where I stud I don't 1643 01:10:27,480 --> 01:10:32,030 know laid 1644 01:10:32,040 --> 01:10:35,199 out no there's a schedule for that laid 1645 01:10:35,199 --> 01:10:38,159 out in the attachment 25 for first 1646 01:10:38,159 --> 01:10:40,679 persistent 50 for the second 75 for the 1647 01:10:40,679 --> 01:10:44,000 third 125 for each and every subsequent 1648 01:10:44,000 --> 01:10:46,000 persistent false 1649 01:10:46,000 --> 01:10:48,199 alarm and I think when we discuss this 1650 01:10:48,199 --> 01:10:49,719 we looking at yes the Reven is going to 1651 01:10:49,719 --> 01:10:51,520 go up because we're reducing it from 4 1652 01:10:51,520 --> 01:10:55,480 to two so by having four alarm that is 1653 01:10:55,480 --> 01:10:56,960 free now you're going to have two so 1654 01:10:56,960 --> 01:10:58,440 you're you're increase your Revenue by 1655 01:10:58,440 --> 01:11:00,840 two years so you would say the cost of 1656 01:11:00,840 --> 01:11:05,800 sending two patrol cars of fire brick is 1657 01:11:05,800 --> 01:11:08,480 $25 well I think this this this is 1658 01:11:08,480 --> 01:11:11,679 specific to Burg alarms though perhaps 1659 01:11:11,679 --> 01:11:14,560 I'm speaking out of terms because um 1660 01:11:14,560 --> 01:11:16,480 speaking out of turn rather because I 1661 01:11:16,480 --> 01:11:20,480 don't know that uh fire alarms are 1662 01:11:20,480 --> 01:11:22,800 considered a false alarm and I should 1663 01:11:22,800 --> 01:11:24,840 probably stop there I don't know this is 1664 01:11:24,840 --> 01:11:26,400 just 1665 01:11:26,400 --> 01:11:29,199 yeah but still my point is like there is 1666 01:11:29,199 --> 01:11:32,480 a we have to send a response and that 1667 01:11:32,480 --> 01:11:35,920 response has to be worth more than 1668 01:11:35,920 --> 01:11:39,679 $25 and then even getting ear $25 I 1669 01:11:39,679 --> 01:11:41,560 think if it requires three instances to 1670 01:11:41,560 --> 01:11:43,960 get to that rate I think that is too 1671 01:11:43,960 --> 01:11:47,199 many attempts even with the reduction to 1672 01:11:47,199 --> 01:11:50,639 21s I would appreciate 1673 01:11:50,639 --> 01:11:52,639 recommendation yeah you know the 1674 01:11:52,639 --> 01:11:55,000 officer's time certainly valuable often 1675 01:11:55,000 --> 01:11:58,320 times times the fees would come um after 1676 01:11:58,320 --> 01:12:00,760 hours if you will so even on the 1677 01:12:00,760 --> 01:12:03,679 midnight shift so uh call volume is 1678 01:12:03,679 --> 01:12:05,960 generally lower on those 1679 01:12:05,960 --> 01:12:08,639 shifts you know we get into the argument 1680 01:12:08,639 --> 01:12:12,159 I guess is two false alarms is not a lot 1681 01:12:12,159 --> 01:12:15,560 especially in in a 12 month period so if 1682 01:12:15,560 --> 01:12:17,400 you make it so drastic I guess you get 1683 01:12:17,400 --> 01:12:21,120 into this you know the third alarm $300 1684 01:12:21,120 --> 01:12:23,280 you know is that is that is that too 1685 01:12:23,280 --> 01:12:25,760 much you know that's you guys who 1686 01:12:25,760 --> 01:12:28,600 perhaps think about but I love the idea 1687 01:12:28,600 --> 01:12:30,920 of reducing it from from four free to 1688 01:12:30,920 --> 01:12:34,120 two free um and again is the real 1689 01:12:34,120 --> 01:12:36,199 persistent ones that occupy a tremendous 1690 01:12:36,199 --> 01:12:38,800 amount of our time that is annoying so 1691 01:12:38,800 --> 01:12:41,840 an the teer system perhaps would would 1692 01:12:41,840 --> 01:12:44,000 address that and kind of make it more 1693 01:12:44,000 --> 01:12:46,040 Equitable for those who because they we 1694 01:12:46,040 --> 01:12:51,750 go there maybe once you know for false 1695 01:12:51,760 --> 01:12:55,440 alarm thank you so I lot of these might 1696 01:12:55,440 --> 01:12:57,239 be like small businesses restaurants 1697 01:12:57,239 --> 01:12:59,639 bars things like that that close up and 1698 01:12:59,639 --> 01:13:01,920 something happens so um and the police 1699 01:13:01,920 --> 01:13:03,960 you know come and check it out so I 1700 01:13:03,960 --> 01:13:06,199 think um you know after two calls and 1701 01:13:06,199 --> 01:13:08,480 realizing they have to pay 25 I think 1702 01:13:08,480 --> 01:13:09,760 they're going to probably reach out to 1703 01:13:09,760 --> 01:13:11,320 their alarm company and have them come 1704 01:13:11,320 --> 01:13:12,560 and tweak it and make sure that 1705 01:13:12,560 --> 01:13:15,960 everything is you know Qui aesthetic uh 1706 01:13:15,960 --> 01:13:17,679 as far as you know triggering how these 1707 01:13:17,679 --> 01:13:20,280 alarms are being triggered and things so 1708 01:13:20,280 --> 01:13:29,790 um so I just wanted to add that 1709 01:13:29,800 --> 01:13:34,080 just council members concerns we dealt 1710 01:13:34,080 --> 01:13:35,840 with it with two false alarms but then 1711 01:13:35,840 --> 01:13:39,760 there was a discussion I recall that there was a discussion that they're 1712 01:13:39,760 --> 01:13:41,920 supposed to come back regarding the the 1713 01:13:41,920 --> 01:13:43,800 fees CU right now those fees that are 1714 01:13:43,800 --> 01:13:46,440 highlighted is 2550 75 they're 1715 01:13:46,440 --> 01:13:48,320 highlighted but not changed because we 1716 01:13:48,320 --> 01:13:53,560 were waiting for that number um that's 1717 01:13:53,560 --> 01:13:58,320 so with that mind um you could table 1718 01:13:58,320 --> 01:14:01,159 this until two weeks and and you know 1719 01:14:01,159 --> 01:14:02,400 the effective date would still be 1720 01:14:02,400 --> 01:14:06,040 January 1st to get that full report but 1721 01:14:06,040 --> 01:14:07,800 it my recollection that's okay I didn't 1722 01:14:07,800 --> 01:14:10,080 put any new numbers into that part of 1723 01:14:10,080 --> 01:14:12,440 the the proposed ordinance because that 1724 01:14:12,440 --> 01:14:15,080 we didn't get there was a do out from 1725 01:14:15,080 --> 01:14:18,520 the the PD regarding additional numbers 1726 01:14:18,520 --> 01:14:21,669 that was my 1727 01:14:21,679 --> 01:14:23,760 recollection essentially comparing other 1728 01:14:23,760 --> 01:14:25,639 municipalities and with their R are is 1729 01:14:25,639 --> 01:14:27,280 that is that what we're asking for just 1730 01:14:27,280 --> 01:14:28,920 kind of figuring it out for the first 1731 01:14:28,920 --> 01:14:31,760 second and third right now it's 2550 and 1732 01:14:31,760 --> 01:14:33,840 how far how far to increase those 1733 01:14:33,840 --> 01:14:35,960 particular fees the more accurately 1734 01:14:35,960 --> 01:14:38,360 reflect the cost of the calls right so 1735 01:14:38,360 --> 01:14:41,880 right now they're at 2550 and 75 1736 01:14:41,880 --> 01:14:44,719 so that was the that was the discussion 1737 01:14:44,719 --> 01:14:47,750 and and 1738 01:14:47,760 --> 01:14:51,480 that's that I thought Chief Whipple was 1739 01:14:51,480 --> 01:14:53,880 doing some of that and he was out of 1740 01:14:53,880 --> 01:14:56,840 town for few 1741 01:14:56,840 --> 01:14:59,280 days and I thought we're going to try 1742 01:14:59,280 --> 01:15:01,560 and have a parallel for both police and 1743 01:15:01,560 --> 01:15:04,320 fire so that the Fe structure would be 1744 01:15:04,320 --> 01:15:06,360 the same there 1745 01:15:06,360 --> 01:15:09,960 are this was primarily focused on barcel 1746 01:15:09,960 --> 01:15:11,440 with regards to the police but we can 1747 01:15:11,440 --> 01:15:14,040 look at that also too I don't have an 1748 01:15:14,040 --> 01:15:15,880 issue table this for two weeks and come 1749 01:15:15,880 --> 01:15:17,520 back and then we can update the fees 1750 01:15:17,520 --> 01:15:20,120 because I think um yes the Fe needs to 1751 01:15:20,120 --> 01:15:20,880 be 1752 01:15:20,880 --> 01:15:23,920 addressed so um go ahead please and I 1753 01:15:23,920 --> 01:15:25,560 just would like to know if um when we 1754 01:15:25,560 --> 01:15:26,960 come back in two weeks if we have should 1755 01:15:26,960 --> 01:15:30,280 have a number of like for 20 23 number 1756 01:15:30,280 --> 01:15:33,120 of f alarms that you that the 1757 01:15:33,120 --> 01:15:37,800 um yeah I'm certain that Chief have had 1758 01:15:37,800 --> 01:15:40,120 numbers those numb were provided to us 1759 01:15:40,120 --> 01:15:41,239 we just need to go back and our 1760 01:15:41,239 --> 01:15:43,520 documents and if not we'll ask for 1761 01:15:43,520 --> 01:15:47,239 updated um report um so to be 1762 01:15:47,239 --> 01:15:50,280 clear are you asking that we look to see 1763 01:15:50,280 --> 01:15:53,400 what other municipality fees are is 1764 01:15:53,400 --> 01:15:56,239 that no we're ask for an updated um I 1765 01:15:56,239 --> 01:15:58,639 think the ask is for an updated report 1766 01:15:58,639 --> 01:16:00,320 to see where we are in terms of 1767 01:16:00,320 --> 01:16:03,560 collection 2023 collection and how many 1768 01:16:03,560 --> 01:16:05,120 number how many how many actual false 1769 01:16:05,120 --> 01:16:09,760 alarms did we have in 2023 do we have we 1770 01:16:09,760 --> 01:16:13,800 have a budget number for 23 for I'm not 1771 01:16:13,800 --> 01:16:17,280 sure that's doesn't reflect the number 1772 01:16:17,280 --> 01:16:19,800 all right we can hold this we still have 1773 01:16:19,800 --> 01:16:22,679 time on our side and this is going to 1774 01:16:22,679 --> 01:16:26,159 implement um January um we may have it 1775 01:16:26,159 --> 01:16:27,159 right 1776 01:16:27,159 --> 01:16:30,840 here if you just want the number but 1777 01:16:30,840 --> 01:16:34,000 again my recollection is some of the 1778 01:16:34,000 --> 01:16:36,040 filling both the police and fire 1779 01:16:36,040 --> 01:16:39,639 department is not absolute 1780 01:16:39,639 --> 01:16:44,830 so really reflect what the real problem 1781 01:16:44,840 --> 01:16:49,199 is and I always say with level of humor 1782 01:16:49,199 --> 01:16:52,280 and also being serious is that her 1783 01:16:52,280 --> 01:16:55,800 burglar alarms is the worst day is 1784 01:16:55,800 --> 01:16:58,239 during a thunderstorm you get high wind 1785 01:16:58,239 --> 01:17:01,360 stuff goes through uh the alarms trip 1786 01:17:01,360 --> 01:17:03,040 and there's no way that we can actually 1787 01:17:03,040 --> 01:17:04,639 follow up on 1788 01:17:04,639 --> 01:17:12,229 each call that comes 1789 01:17:12,239 --> 01:17:15,830 in go ahead 1790 01:17:15,840 --> 01:17:17,600 please 1791 01:17:17,600 --> 01:17:22,350 oh sorry I know over don't do 1792 01:17:22,360 --> 01:17:26,639 that um we do have some num 1793 01:17:26,639 --> 01:17:31,440 uh for 2024 as of October 2nd um bills 1794 01:17:31,440 --> 01:17:36,639 were sent out April 22nd $35,100 a total 1795 01:17:36,639 --> 01:17:38,040 of 70 1796 01:17:38,040 --> 01:17:40,400 invoices uh there's another batch due 1797 01:17:40,400 --> 01:17:46,270 out that's about 54 invoices 1798 01:17:46,280 --> 01:17:49,239 with with an estimated total of 1799 01:17:49,239 --> 01:17:51,920 27,000 I'm sorry 1800 01:17:51,920 --> 01:17:57,040 $2,750 owed uh there appears to be 438 1801 01:17:57,040 --> 01:17:58,840 loss alarms reported by the police 1802 01:17:58,840 --> 01:18:01,239 department this 1803 01:18:01,239 --> 01:18:04,719 year and about and 23 as well you have 1804 01:18:04,719 --> 01:18:07,639 uh this is sorry now this is 24 this is 1805 01:18:07,639 --> 01:18:09,639 Year and that information is up to 1806 01:18:09,639 --> 01:18:15,750 October 2nd I have aail of October 1807 01:18:15,760 --> 01:18:19,040 2nd I look at she B report confident put 1808 01:18:19,040 --> 01:18:21,920 numbers together and what what the 1809 01:18:21,920 --> 01:18:23,360 projected increase would be if we 1810 01:18:23,360 --> 01:18:26,159 lowered uh the number of false alarms 1811 01:18:26,159 --> 01:18:32,199 from from four to two so it exists I'm fairly certain of 1812 01:18:32,199 --> 01:18:34,719 that so let's let's let's table this for 1813 01:18:34,719 --> 01:18:36,840 two weeks and we'll come back with the 1814 01:18:36,840 --> 01:18:39,320 updated numbers and we'll come back with 1815 01:18:39,320 --> 01:18:42,320 a recommendation to of the um the fees 1816 01:18:42,320 --> 01:18:46,639 from 25 50 and 75 thank you all right so 1817 01:18:46,639 --> 01:18:48,080 we'll have this back on the agenda in 1818 01:18:48,080 --> 01:18:48,880 two 1819 01:18:48,880 --> 01:18:53,159 weeks the next item is 1820 01:18:53,159 --> 01:18:57,719 um review amend section 927 of this 1821 01:18:57,719 --> 01:18:59,719 conect city code issuing fees and 1822 01:18:59,719 --> 01:19:02,320 charges Police Department record we had 1823 01:19:02,320 --> 01:19:03,550 a public here another 1824 01:19:03,550 --> 01:19:04,679 [Music] 1825 01:19:04,679 --> 01:19:07,400 15 do we have any question regarding 1826 01:19:07,400 --> 01:19:12,520 this section and no speakers yeah and 1827 01:19:12,520 --> 01:19:18,070 this this fee is going up to $40 from 1828 01:19:18,080 --> 01:19:20,960 $20 Mr chairman if there's no amendments 1829 01:19:20,960 --> 01:19:22,600 to this particular you can vote it at a 1830 01:19:22,600 --> 01:19:24,840 committee and you vote it next week yes 1831 01:19:24,840 --> 01:19:26,760 is Ario any question regarding this 1832 01:19:26,760 --> 01:19:29,320 section I can hear what he said oh you 1833 01:19:29,320 --> 01:19:30,920 can vote it at a committee this week and 1834 01:19:30,920 --> 01:19:32,360 you can vote on it next week so if 1835 01:19:32,360 --> 01:19:33,320 there's no 1836 01:19:33,320 --> 01:19:36,120 amendments that's that's it's just that 1837 01:19:36,120 --> 01:19:39,350 section is done by 1838 01:19:39,360 --> 01:19:43,510 resolution no this is by 1839 01:19:43,520 --> 01:19:48,840 ordinance I thought the Fe structur no for the some things are done by 1840 01:19:48,840 --> 01:19:54,520 resolution this is by ordinance it's how our code is could they modify 1841 01:19:54,520 --> 01:19:56,199 that 1842 01:19:56,199 --> 01:20:00,719 for by resolution reduces the easy for 1843 01:20:00,719 --> 01:20:07,669 us in the future 1844 01:20:07,679 --> 01:20:09,800 perhaps any other question regarding 1845 01:20:09,800 --> 01:20:11,960 this so I would I'll ask for motion to 1846 01:20:11,960 --> 01:20:14,719 move um this item forward I'll move it 1847 01:20:14,719 --> 01:20:18,360 second all in favor all thank you the 1848 01:20:18,360 --> 01:20:25,229 next item is also review to amend um 1849 01:20:25,239 --> 01:20:28,440 amend city code 41-14 C increasing dog 1850 01:20:28,440 --> 01:20:30,199 license fee we had a public hearing on 1851 01:20:30,199 --> 01:20:31,880 the 1852 01:20:31,880 --> 01:20:35,800 15th any question regarding this no 1853 01:20:35,800 --> 01:20:38,590 speaker sh waiting for me to say 1854 01:20:38,590 --> 01:20:40,719 [Music] 1855 01:20:40,719 --> 01:20:46,159 it second all in favor I thank you the 1856 01:20:46,159 --> 01:20:49,880 next item is amending section 2 48-2 the 1857 01:20:49,880 --> 01:20:52,560 city code increasing parking violation F 1858 01:20:52,560 --> 01:20:55,280 we had a public hearing on the 15th 1859 01:20:55,280 --> 01:20:59,950 any question regarding this 1860 01:20:59,960 --> 01:21:02,080 item you should have a list of the 1861 01:21:02,080 --> 01:21:04,639 backup documents um with the old fee and 1862 01:21:04,639 --> 01:21:16,990 the proposed new 1863 01:21:17,000 --> 01:21:20,000 fees I guess I did have a quick question 1864 01:21:20,000 --> 01:21:23,480 which was you know with the fire hydrant 1865 01:21:23,480 --> 01:21:26,800 and the fire lane pass why they didn't 1866 01:21:26,800 --> 01:21:29,719 just keep them both the same fee or you 1867 01:21:29,719 --> 01:21:32,639 know raise both of them to the 115 just 1868 01:21:32,639 --> 01:21:34,400 seems like it would make it easier but 1869 01:21:34,400 --> 01:21:38,080 it's literally like $5 but I did notice 1870 01:21:38,080 --> 01:21:39,840 that as I was reviewing it the first 1871 01:21:39,840 --> 01:21:42,280 time there's some issues regarding this 1872 01:21:42,280 --> 01:21:44,280 the uh the state 1873 01:21:44,280 --> 01:21:47,719 code State the state I were I talked to 1874 01:21:47,719 --> 01:21:49,480 the traffic folks on this and there's 1875 01:21:49,480 --> 01:21:51,719 Cod to code vehicle and graffic code 1876 01:21:51,719 --> 01:21:53,360 caps that we have to deal with so that's 1877 01:21:53,360 --> 01:21:55,960 a problem 1878 01:21:55,960 --> 01:21:57,800 that's absolutely right there uh the 1879 01:21:57,800 --> 01:22:00,120 vehicle and traffic law does impose 1880 01:22:00,120 --> 01:22:02,960 certain maximum fines uh for certain 1881 01:22:02,960 --> 01:22:05,000 things other otherwise it's adopted from 1882 01:22:05,000 --> 01:22:07,000 the council or or the city ordinance as 1883 01:22:07,000 --> 01:22:09,280 to what we can what we can charge if 1884 01:22:09,280 --> 01:22:11,080 it's not defined in the uh vehicle 1885 01:22:11,080 --> 01:22:13,840 traffic law so those those areas that 1886 01:22:13,840 --> 01:22:17,040 were uh especially like the fire lane 1887 01:22:17,040 --> 01:22:20,159 and the the handicap parking in the fire 1888 01:22:20,159 --> 01:22:22,040 Hy morning change but the ones that 1889 01:22:22,040 --> 01:22:25,320 purely within our purview gotta were 1890 01:22:25,320 --> 01:22:26,719 changed 1891 01:22:26,719 --> 01:22:31,440 accordingly thank you any question just 1892 01:22:31,440 --> 01:22:33,080 to know there were two other item that 1893 01:22:33,080 --> 01:22:35,159 we discussed when we were um looking at 1894 01:22:35,159 --> 01:22:38,639 the Fe adjustment was the modify ex 1895 01:22:38,639 --> 01:22:42,679 exhaust and the um modified 1896 01:22:42,679 --> 01:22:45,719 speaker and um cooperation counil 1897 01:22:45,719 --> 01:22:48,880 looking into those two items as part of 1898 01:22:48,880 --> 01:22:51,679 um the noise nuisance or Mr Williams is 1899 01:22:51,679 --> 01:22:54,560 push power so those two item will 1900 01:22:54,560 --> 01:22:57,360 address at that point in time and what 1901 01:22:57,360 --> 01:23:00,760 we as a council can do to address those 1902 01:23:00,760 --> 01:23:03,120 concerns and then uh for the resolution 1903 01:23:03,120 --> 01:23:04,199 please correct me if for wrong we're 1904 01:23:04,199 --> 01:23:07,000 going to write in uh painting the fire 1905 01:23:07,000 --> 01:23:09,679 hydrants just to make areas more 1906 01:23:09,679 --> 01:23:12,360 existent to people parking and then 1907 01:23:12,360 --> 01:23:14,320 ensuring that the remaining 1908 01:23:14,320 --> 01:23:19,270 signs are 1909 01:23:19,280 --> 01:23:22,400 replaced I don't know if Mr chairman I 1910 01:23:22,400 --> 01:23:23,800 don't know if you can put that in in the 1911 01:23:23,800 --> 01:23:26,120 code itself but I would if that's 1912 01:23:26,120 --> 01:23:28,960 something that the uh Bureau service and 1913 01:23:28,960 --> 01:23:31,320 the fire department have to deal with u 1914 01:23:31,320 --> 01:23:33,920 to I for for better markings I think 1915 01:23:33,920 --> 01:23:36,280 there was discussion on sign signage 1916 01:23:36,280 --> 01:23:37,920 regarding 1917 01:23:37,920 --> 01:23:39,880 enforcement I think what we discussed 1918 01:23:39,880 --> 01:23:40,840 this 1919 01:23:40,840 --> 01:23:44,480 um once Whipple had uh made suggestion 1920 01:23:44,480 --> 01:23:46,480 that the PD was going to look at signs 1921 01:23:46,480 --> 01:23:48,159 and come back with a list of signs that 1922 01:23:48,159 --> 01:23:51,679 needs to be replaced at certain areas I 1923 01:23:51,679 --> 01:23:53,320 remember discuss I remember the 1924 01:23:53,320 --> 01:23:55,120 discussion about that yes so they are 1925 01:23:55,120 --> 01:23:56,679 looking at that and they come back and 1926 01:23:56,679 --> 01:24:00,639 work with um the sign signal 1927 01:24:00,639 --> 01:24:02,400 superintendent yeah I think there were 1928 01:24:02,400 --> 01:24:03,960 some email back and forth about that 1929 01:24:03,960 --> 01:24:05,639 painting The Curve too painting the 1930 01:24:05,639 --> 01:24:07,639 curve and addressing all the signs and 1931 01:24:07,639 --> 01:24:10,600 replacing the ones that is not visible 1932 01:24:10,600 --> 01:24:12,920 and to update all the sence pro city as 1933 01:24:12,920 --> 01:24:16,080 we en Force this come January and first 1934 01:24:16,080 --> 01:24:18,280 so there's a couple months to address 1935 01:24:18,280 --> 01:24:21,189 those 1936 01:24:21,199 --> 01:24:24,480 concerns and yes we can follow the um if 1937 01:24:24,480 --> 01:24:26,400 we need to to kind of find out where we 1938 01:24:26,400 --> 01:24:30,360 are in terms of those new signs on or 1939 01:24:30,360 --> 01:24:32,960 signs need to be 1940 01:24:32,960 --> 01:24:35,000 replaced any other 1941 01:24:35,000 --> 01:24:38,120 question seeing none I will motion to 1942 01:24:38,120 --> 01:24:40,119 move this item 1943 01:24:40,119 --> 01:24:46,800 forward second all in favor I thank you 1944 01:24:46,800 --> 01:24:49,520 finally the next item is research 1945 01:24:49,520 --> 01:24:51,760 analysis on employment for the city of 1946 01:24:51,760 --> 01:24:56,320 conc last week when we were discussing our 1947 01:24:56,320 --> 01:24:59,639 budget we talked about U management 1948 01:24:59,639 --> 01:25:02,360 raises and the suggestion for me was to 1949 01:25:02,360 --> 01:25:04,239 kind 1950 01:25:04,239 --> 01:25:07,119 of across look across the board in terms 1951 01:25:07,119 --> 01:25:09,440 of management raises and in terms of the 1952 01:25:09,440 --> 01:25:13,920 salary um managers receiver and are we 1953 01:25:13,920 --> 01:25:16,360 paying them are we compensating them 1954 01:25:16,360 --> 01:25:17,800 enough for what they're doing in terms 1955 01:25:17,800 --> 01:25:19,639 of their 1956 01:25:19,639 --> 01:25:21,880 position the question across the table 1957 01:25:21,880 --> 01:25:24,320 was uh we don't know so I disc 1958 01:25:24,320 --> 01:25:25,800 discussing with the mayor last week here 1959 01:25:25,800 --> 01:25:28,360 at the table was like to call for a 1960 01:25:28,360 --> 01:25:30,679 study to see where we are in terms of 1961 01:25:30,679 --> 01:25:32,520 compensation for 1962 01:25:32,520 --> 01:25:35,480 management and the discussion was to 1963 01:25:35,480 --> 01:25:39,080 move a resolution to kind of authorize 1964 01:25:39,080 --> 01:25:41,800 this uh this 1965 01:25:41,800 --> 01:25:44,520 study am I missing anything on that I 1966 01:25:44,520 --> 01:25:46,280 think 1967 01:25:46,280 --> 01:25:49,159 I go ahead I think we did also say that 1968 01:25:49,159 --> 01:25:50,560 we could still move forward with our 1969 01:25:50,560 --> 01:25:54,320 budget discussion as is and then um r 1970 01:25:54,320 --> 01:25:58,080 return to this you know if we needed to make any adjustments or 1971 01:25:58,080 --> 01:25:59,800 whatever that because we couldn't do the 1972 01:25:59,800 --> 01:26:02,840 market study in time to continue our 1973 01:26:02,840 --> 01:26:04,639 discussion that is correct yeah this 1974 01:26:04,639 --> 01:26:06,679 will not affect our budget 2025 budget 1975 01:26:06,679 --> 01:26:08,400 is more of a study to see where we are 1976 01:26:08,400 --> 01:26:11,159 in terms of compensation for management 1977 01:26:11,159 --> 01:26:12,920 yeah and that will come back to us and 1978 01:26:12,920 --> 01:26:14,840 then we as a council will discuss that 1979 01:26:14,840 --> 01:26:18,350 what do we 1980 01:26:18,360 --> 01:26:27,229 do so what I would like a resolution to uh carry out this study 1981 01:26:27,239 --> 01:26:29,080 I'll make a resolution I think we talked 1982 01:26:29,080 --> 01:26:31,760 about the office of Human Resources 1983 01:26:31,760 --> 01:26:35,360 asking the HR department second all in 1984 01:26:35,360 --> 01:26:37,679 favor I thank 1985 01:26:37,679 --> 01:26:40,639 you the next item is our continue 1986 01:26:40,639 --> 01:26:43,040 discussion in 2025 proposed budget I 1987 01:26:43,040 --> 01:26:46,119 would ask that we recess for respecting 1988 01:26:46,119 --> 01:26:48,320 everyone time we recess the finance 1989 01:26:48,320 --> 01:26:50,719 committee and we'll recall it at the end 1990 01:26:50,719 --> 01:26:52,800 of this um committee meeting after to 1991 01:26:52,800 --> 01:26:55,000 continue our budget discussion 1992 01:26:55,000 --> 01:26:57,600 so motion to recess the finance 1993 01:26:57,600 --> 01:27:01,239 committee all in favor 1994 01:27:01,239 --> 01:27:03,360 I I'd like to call the order City 1995 01:27:03,360 --> 01:27:05,840 development planning we have nine items 1996 01:27:05,840 --> 01:27:08,840 on the agenda uh the first item is the 1997 01:27:08,840 --> 01:27:10,719 discussion of sidewalk replacement em 1998 01:27:10,719 --> 01:27:13,960 Street and MCL Street Mr Lu thank you 1999 01:27:13,960 --> 01:27:17,119 madam president uh yes um talking about 2000 01:27:17,119 --> 01:27:18,560 sidewalk 2001 01:27:18,560 --> 01:27:22,159 um Mullen Street and Emon Street um 2002 01:27:22,159 --> 01:27:25,560 individual that submit petition 2003 01:27:25,560 --> 01:27:29,639 last year we were able to um identify 2004 01:27:29,639 --> 01:27:33,880 and um push through with Central Parkway 2005 01:27:33,880 --> 01:27:35,679 and now before you is the two other 2006 01:27:35,679 --> 01:27:38,600 streets um neighborhood sorry street 2007 01:27:38,600 --> 01:27:40,880 that we have mhm and I would like the 2008 01:27:40,880 --> 01:27:43,480 council to um recommend that we move 2009 01:27:43,480 --> 01:27:48,440 forward to direct the assessment office 2010 01:27:48,440 --> 01:27:50,600 and the Law 2011 01:27:50,600 --> 01:27:54,679 Department to review these petition 2012 01:27:54,679 --> 01:27:56,840 and to come back to the council with any 2013 01:27:56,840 --> 01:27:58,360 finding 2014 01:27:58,360 --> 01:28:00,679 whatsoever so that we can able to start 2015 01:28:00,679 --> 01:28:03,760 work with these um neighborhood 2016 01:28:03,760 --> 01:28:07,480 leaders to identify and to put things in 2017 01:28:07,480 --> 01:28:10,000 place so that we can get these two um 2018 01:28:10,000 --> 01:28:14,520 Street in for the sidewalk program for 2019 01:28:14,520 --> 01:28:17,629 2025 2020 01:28:17,639 --> 01:28:19,800 2026 go ahead please do we have an 2021 01:28:19,800 --> 01:28:22,840 updated one for Ms street I was 2022 01:28:22,840 --> 01:28:24,960 submitted in 2010 2023 01:28:24,960 --> 01:28:30,280 yeah we do have a couple fiction there a couple 2024 01:28:30,280 --> 01:28:34,400 of I see streets receiv in 2023 which is 2025 01:28:34,400 --> 01:28:36,760 great 2026 01:28:36,760 --> 01:28:39,040 yeah there's a lot of part in terms of 2027 01:28:39,040 --> 01:28:42,719 Adry but yes review what we have and 2028 01:28:42,719 --> 01:28:45,080 then we can ask them for updated um in 2029 01:28:45,080 --> 01:28:46,920 terms of if they are changing the 2030 01:28:46,920 --> 01:28:49,159 address changing name similar to what we 2031 01:28:49,159 --> 01:28:51,400 did in Central Parkway there people you 2032 01:28:51,400 --> 01:28:53,280 know changing ownership so we'll have to 2033 01:28:53,280 --> 01:28:56,280 reach out to the new owner and kind 2034 01:28:56,280 --> 01:28:58,600 asked them for the permission to sign 2035 01:28:58,600 --> 01:29:01,239 onto this sheet something similar we did 2036 01:29:01,239 --> 01:29:03,600 all of us did at um Central Parkway I 2037 01:29:03,600 --> 01:29:06,600 mean M it be it be M it would be fair 2038 01:29:06,600 --> 01:29:08,320 for us to go back and ask them to redo 2039 01:29:08,320 --> 01:29:12,480 all this petition they have done their job it's it's a hard process 2040 01:29:12,480 --> 01:29:14,639 absolutely they went out there they got 2041 01:29:14,639 --> 01:29:17,119 petition it's you know no fault of all 2042 01:29:17,119 --> 01:29:23,400 of us that it takes so long yeah it took a while for us to address it and 2043 01:29:23,400 --> 01:29:25,080 here we are in terms of moving forward 2044 01:29:25,080 --> 01:29:27,280 and to address um the sidewalk program 2045 01:29:27,280 --> 01:29:29,199 and then we'll review Mullen Street as 2046 01:29:29,199 --> 01:29:31,840 well because it's over a year and a as 2047 01:29:31,840 --> 01:29:34,960 well B Street will be um that is the 2048 01:29:34,960 --> 01:29:37,480 purpose of us moving forward to address 2049 01:29:37,480 --> 01:29:42,679 good thank you go ahead please so um as was pointed out there's so this is 2050 01:29:42,679 --> 01:29:46,560 2020 excuse me 2010 that this was done 2051 01:29:46,560 --> 01:29:48,800 and um so people may have moved I know 2052 01:29:48,800 --> 01:29:50,199 some people actually I know but some 2053 01:29:50,199 --> 01:29:53,000 people are no longer living living 2054 01:29:53,000 --> 01:29:56,920 period um so what is going to be the 2055 01:29:56,920 --> 01:29:58,920 process um you did kind of mention it 2056 01:29:58,920 --> 01:30:00,639 before about so what is going to be the 2057 01:30:00,639 --> 01:30:02,560 process in terms of updating it are we 2058 01:30:02,560 --> 01:30:05,119 going to use our our tax roles at this 2059 01:30:05,119 --> 01:30:06,800 point to see if who we need to go how we 2060 01:30:06,800 --> 01:30:09,719 going to yes correct yeah that's how um 2061 01:30:09,719 --> 01:30:13,960 it's done so the assessor office will print out a role theti Street and 2062 01:30:13,960 --> 01:30:15,719 then it will review by The Corporation 2063 01:30:15,719 --> 01:30:18,040 Council that's how it's done in the past 2064 01:30:18,040 --> 01:30:19,760 and if there if the names doesn't match 2065 01:30:19,760 --> 01:30:21,480 here then we'll have to go back out and 2066 01:30:21,480 --> 01:30:25,000 get the new owner to sign up 2067 01:30:25,000 --> 01:30:27,239 if they decide to go with the program 2068 01:30:27,239 --> 01:30:28,920 but have the community leader go back 2069 01:30:28,920 --> 01:30:31,239 out on help to get petition updated 2070 01:30:31,239 --> 01:30:35,600 petition for those um change in when 2071 01:30:35,600 --> 01:30:37,560 okay so that's where we're going that's 2072 01:30:37,560 --> 01:30:40,679 our starting place okay thank you is the 2073 01:30:40,679 --> 01:30:42,920 same is still the same program like a 2074 01:30:42,920 --> 01:30:46,159 doll 55 L whatever 2075 01:30:46,159 --> 01:30:49,870 okay5 2076 01:30:49,880 --> 01:30:54,040 was want you don't want to 2077 01:30:54,040 --> 01:30:58,840 same program yes same program yes I 2078 01:30:58,840 --> 01:31:03,520 put yeah so we'll need um go ahead 2079 01:31:03,520 --> 01:31:06,840 please so in asking that question of the 2080 01:31:06,840 --> 01:31:08,920 same program and the same cost I think 2081 01:31:08,920 --> 01:31:10,280 we have to look at have the cost 2082 01:31:10,280 --> 01:31:13,400 increase in order to do this and how 2083 01:31:13,400 --> 01:31:15,639 much more it's going to cost the city 2084 01:31:15,639 --> 01:31:17,159 and is the city going to be being are we 2085 01:31:17,159 --> 01:31:18,760 going to absorb the additional cost if 2086 01:31:18,760 --> 01:31:20,000 there is one and I imagine with 2087 01:31:20,000 --> 01:31:23,679 everything going up that there is or or 2088 01:31:23,679 --> 01:31:26,320 going to be increased in um what the 2089 01:31:26,320 --> 01:31:28,280 homeowner has to pay I think that those 2090 01:31:28,280 --> 01:31:29,880 are things that have to be considered as 2091 01:31:29,880 --> 01:31:35,109 we move forward with 2092 01:31:35,119 --> 01:31:37,600 this yeah it was one of the suggestion I 2093 01:31:37,600 --> 01:31:39,560 made last week in terms of the the AR 2094 01:31:39,560 --> 01:31:42,040 money that um we're we're hoping that 2095 01:31:42,040 --> 01:31:44,119 will come back to us we can able to as a 2096 01:31:44,119 --> 01:31:46,560 council with the mayor put some money in 2097 01:31:46,560 --> 01:31:48,920 that program back at that point in time 2098 01:31:48,920 --> 01:31:51,560 to see if we can help these uh these 2099 01:31:51,560 --> 01:31:54,480 areas to address the sidewalk 2100 01:31:54,480 --> 01:31:56,199 and yes we can address the cost at that 2101 01:31:56,199 --> 01:32:02,440 point in time and we move forward do we amend it and change it from $55 2102 01:32:02,440 --> 01:32:05,639 upward good suggestion and we we can 2103 01:32:05,639 --> 01:32:09,149 address that as we move 2104 01:32:09,159 --> 01:32:11,520 forward go ahead please I just say it's 2105 01:32:11,520 --> 01:32:13,520 important as we've already started kind 2106 01:32:13,520 --> 01:32:16,159 of allocating projects to this Aram 2107 01:32:16,159 --> 01:32:17,600 dollars that we haven't even received 2108 01:32:17,600 --> 01:32:18,800 yet I just want to make sure we're 2109 01:32:18,800 --> 01:32:21,360 intentional with how we're prioritizing 2110 01:32:21,360 --> 01:32:23,000 the conversations we're still going to 2111 01:32:23,000 --> 01:32:30,390 have and hopefully an 2112 01:32:30,400 --> 01:32:32,840 hour I'm sure would we will address that 2113 01:32:32,840 --> 01:32:35,199 then I think there are some capital um 2114 01:32:35,199 --> 01:32:37,199 money in the capital budget for sidewalk 2115 01:32:37,199 --> 01:32:39,600 program still some well there was some 2116 01:32:39,600 --> 01:32:42,800 money that was bonded for this type of 2117 01:32:42,800 --> 01:32:45,280 uh undertaking specifically and you were 2118 01:32:45,280 --> 01:32:46,880 not able to find the petition for 2119 01:32:46,880 --> 01:32:49,840 Raymond Street no I can't I looked all 2120 01:32:49,840 --> 01:32:52,520 the email and if anybody's listening if 2121 01:32:52,520 --> 01:32:55,360 anybody who was invol in Raymond Street 2122 01:32:55,360 --> 01:32:57,040 if you do have the petition please send 2123 01:32:57,040 --> 01:32:58,400 it a copy to 2124 01:32:58,400 --> 01:33:02,239 us um no uh we Serge your clerk's office 2125 01:33:02,239 --> 01:33:04,760 the archive all the folders all the 2126 01:33:04,760 --> 01:33:07,119 emails and I have been involved in the 2127 01:33:07,119 --> 01:33:09,199 petition from the beginning the Calk 2128 01:33:09,199 --> 01:33:11,639 program and I don't have a 2129 01:33:11,639 --> 01:33:14,880 copy unfortunately so I don't know I was 2130 01:33:14,880 --> 01:33:17,440 brought in 2131 01:33:17,440 --> 01:33:20,239 yes so whoever is out there listening 2132 01:33:20,239 --> 01:33:23,239 and if you have copies please reach out 2133 01:33:23,239 --> 01:33:25,440 to any member myself myself the mayor 2134 01:33:25,440 --> 01:33:28,080 and if you can hand deliver a copy we 2135 01:33:28,080 --> 01:33:30,320 would be glad to receive that and add 2136 01:33:30,320 --> 01:33:33,600 this add that remonstrate into this 2137 01:33:33,600 --> 01:33:35,679 program so mayor you said it was already 2138 01:33:35,679 --> 01:33:38,080 brought in do you know who brought it in 2139 01:33:38,080 --> 01:33:40,719 at the time of no yeah we ask that 2140 01:33:40,719 --> 01:33:42,159 question yeah because I was to go back 2141 01:33:42,159 --> 01:33:44,800 over directly to that person yeah so 2142 01:33:44,800 --> 01:33:47,920 maybe in in being on fairness we should 2143 01:33:47,920 --> 01:33:49,199 again go out 2144 01:33:49,199 --> 01:33:53,080 ourselves um people on let's find out 2145 01:33:53,080 --> 01:33:55,199 who who let's find out who was if you 2146 01:33:55,199 --> 01:33:57,239 know who was involved and maybe they I'm 2147 01:33:57,239 --> 01:33:59,360 sure they will have copies and they they 2148 01:33:59,360 --> 01:34:01,920 can they can provide a copy to us and we 2149 01:34:01,920 --> 01:34:03,719 can add it to this 2150 01:34:03,719 --> 01:34:06,679 program 2151 01:34:06,679 --> 01:34:09,560 yeah so do we need to move resolution or 2152 01:34:09,560 --> 01:34:12,080 we just no I have it's under review at 2153 01:34:12,080 --> 01:34:15,080 this under so you just so you will just 2154 01:34:15,080 --> 01:34:16,400 take it from there and review these 2155 01:34:16,400 --> 01:34:18,040 streets and come back to us with your 2156 01:34:18,040 --> 01:34:21,719 report with your report okay 2157 01:34:21,719 --> 01:34:25,990 perfect all right 2158 01:34:26,000 --> 01:34:29,159 thank you you're welcome the next item 2159 01:34:29,159 --> 01:34:31,520 is ceremonial resolution recognizes 2160 01:34:31,520 --> 01:34:35,400 musicians of Mal yes um they thank you 2161 01:34:35,400 --> 01:34:37,280 they will be celebrating their 25th 2162 01:34:37,280 --> 01:34:39,360 anniversary they are celebrating their 2163 01:34:39,360 --> 01:34:41,400 25th anniversary their season just 2164 01:34:41,400 --> 01:34:44,520 started um so this would be a ceremonial 2165 01:34:44,520 --> 01:34:47,080 resolution that would be given to them 2166 01:34:47,080 --> 01:34:48,080 next 2167 01:34:48,080 --> 01:34:51,470 week 2168 01:34:51,480 --> 01:34:55,199 Mo oh I'll second it all those in 2169 01:34:55,199 --> 01:34:58,480 favor uh the next item is reminder uh 2170 01:34:58,480 --> 01:35:00,480 establishing a temporary moratorium on 2171 01:35:00,480 --> 01:35:01,760 the submission and processing of 2172 01:35:01,760 --> 01:35:03,679 building permits certificates of 2173 01:35:03,679 --> 01:35:05,800 occupancy certificates of use and land 2174 01:35:05,800 --> 01:35:09,119 use approvals of cannabis established as 2175 01:35:09,119 --> 01:35:10,880 the city council considers changes to 2176 01:35:10,880 --> 01:35:12,560 chapter 2177 01:35:12,560 --> 01:35:15,440 264 um public hearing will be held on 2178 01:35:15,440 --> 01:35:22,070 but that date can't be correct it's 1021 2179 01:35:22,080 --> 01:35:24,679 1028 Madam president um if I can just 2180 01:35:24,679 --> 01:35:28,000 speak a moment on that real quick goe uh 2181 01:35:28,000 --> 01:35:30,560 I in your packets this week is the 2182 01:35:30,560 --> 01:35:33,480 ordinance that's that's the moratorium 2183 01:35:33,480 --> 01:35:35,440 ordinance it's modeled after the Vape 2184 01:35:35,440 --> 01:35:37,600 Shop ordinance that uh you passed 2185 01:35:37,600 --> 01:35:40,440 earlier this year um you'll notice that 2186 01:35:40,440 --> 01:35:42,880 there's uh additional definitions put in 2187 01:35:42,880 --> 01:35:45,239 there for cannabis establishment micro 2188 01:35:45,239 --> 01:35:51,840 business on-site consumptions so it's prospectively looking ahead as to 2189 01:35:51,840 --> 01:35:53,800 the various licenses that may come come 2190 01:35:53,800 --> 01:35:57,239 our way so when we're doing the review 2191 01:35:57,239 --> 01:36:00,280 uh of the uh the zoning code we'll be 2192 01:36:00,280 --> 01:36:03,880 looking at those definitions and uh uh 2193 01:36:03,880 --> 01:36:05,440 and 2194 01:36:05,440 --> 01:36:07,800 uh that at some point that'll be 2195 01:36:07,800 --> 01:36:11,199 incorporated into our zoning code um not 2196 01:36:11,199 --> 01:36:13,360 already done some of those are already 2197 01:36:13,360 --> 01:36:15,159 in the code from as you remember from 2198 01:36:15,159 --> 01:36:17,239 back in the Vape but some of those are 2199 01:36:17,239 --> 01:36:19,880 not like onsite consumption and micro 2200 01:36:19,880 --> 01:36:24,239 business for example and uh 2201 01:36:24,239 --> 01:36:27,000 so um if there's anything as we begin 2202 01:36:27,000 --> 01:36:28,880 this process I've had discussions with 2203 01:36:28,880 --> 01:36:31,840 the the planners in development about 2204 01:36:31,840 --> 01:36:34,080 the the way ahead here if you have 2205 01:36:34,080 --> 01:36:36,679 any areas that you would like to see 2206 01:36:36,679 --> 01:36:39,360 these not see these uh by way of review 2207 01:36:39,360 --> 01:36:42,679 real quick um the uh vape shops are in 2208 01:36:42,679 --> 01:36:45,800 the industrial zones M1 M2 and the 2209 01:36:45,800 --> 01:36:48,000 commercial zones 2210 01:36:48,000 --> 01:36:52,840 uh C4 and C5 um which is downtown and 2211 01:36:52,840 --> 01:36:55,880 the Upper State Street commercial 2212 01:36:55,880 --> 01:36:57,480 Corridor 2213 01:36:57,480 --> 01:37:00,719 um if you want you always looking to 2214 01:37:00,719 --> 01:37:02,920 expand some of these establishments in 2215 01:37:02,920 --> 01:37:05,400 the C3 Waterfront District which is the 2216 01:37:05,400 --> 01:37:08,880 harbor area um that area that Waterfront 2217 01:37:08,880 --> 01:37:10,679 development District I'm just throwing 2218 01:37:10,679 --> 01:37:12,880 that out there I'm not saying anything 2219 01:37:12,880 --> 01:37:17,000 one way or the other but um what areas 2220 01:37:17,000 --> 01:37:19,119 you would want that like as I said C4 2221 01:37:19,119 --> 01:37:22,639 and C5 vape shops M1 and M2 vape shops 2222 01:37:22,639 --> 01:37:24,960 if you want to have these in those areas 2223 01:37:24,960 --> 01:37:26,360 or you want to have them some other 2224 01:37:26,360 --> 01:37:28,480 areas depending on the type of 2225 01:37:28,480 --> 01:37:30,320 establishment based on their 2226 01:37:30,320 --> 01:37:34,760 definitions um please send me you know 2227 01:37:34,760 --> 01:37:37,320 as as a group send each other an email 2228 01:37:37,320 --> 01:37:41,400 to me and so we can take your concerns 2229 01:37:41,400 --> 01:37:43,520 as we start drafting this and at some 2230 01:37:43,520 --> 01:37:44,760 point 2231 01:37:44,760 --> 01:37:48,480 probably um November December get some 2232 01:37:48,480 --> 01:37:50,880 sort of working draft ordinance for you 2233 01:37:50,880 --> 01:37:55,239 to take a look at um start working on 2234 01:37:55,239 --> 01:37:58,400 that this uh this will this ordinance 2235 01:37:58,400 --> 01:38:01,880 will take effect on November uh your 2236 01:38:01,880 --> 01:38:04,080 next meeting is the 12th so it would be 2237 01:38:04,080 --> 01:38:06,239 the next day which would be November 2238 01:38:06,239 --> 01:38:10,800 13th and would go into February uh 11th 2239 01:38:10,800 --> 01:38:14,119 February 11th which is approximately 90 2240 01:38:14,119 --> 01:38:17,199 days so so it's a day certain so 2241 01:38:17,199 --> 01:38:19,000 everybody knows nobody's counting days 2242 01:38:19,000 --> 01:38:21,000 on calendars or anything like that it 2243 01:38:21,000 --> 01:38:24,119 says when when it's going to expire 2244 01:38:24,119 --> 01:38:27,159 good so I just wanted to throw that out 2245 01:38:27,159 --> 01:38:31,000 there for you on that point um and if I 2246 01:38:31,000 --> 01:38:33,719 can go on to the next one the the if I 2247 01:38:33,719 --> 01:38:36,599 can what's the next one meeting the the 2248 01:38:36,599 --> 01:38:40,639 uh the comment period for that location 2249 01:38:40,639 --> 01:38:46,159 on Broadway um so no okay okay just I 2250 01:38:46,159 --> 01:38:47,840 want I want to just say a couple things 2251 01:38:47,840 --> 01:38:50,440 about this one we kind of have this 2252 01:38:50,440 --> 01:38:51,599 discussion I just want to make sure 2253 01:38:51,599 --> 01:38:53,800 there's Clarity for individual ual who 2254 01:38:53,800 --> 01:38:56,320 will already have their license by the 2255 01:38:56,320 --> 01:39:00,000 state of New York right are they will 2256 01:39:00,000 --> 01:39:01,800 they be impacted by 2257 01:39:01,800 --> 01:39:04,560 this I know that there's some people who 2258 01:39:04,560 --> 01:39:05,880 don't have their license but have 2259 01:39:05,880 --> 01:39:07,599 submitted to us for our 2260 01:39:07,599 --> 01:39:13,560 location and what would the difference is what we can control is 2261 01:39:13,560 --> 01:39:16,119 pursuant to the ordinance is that if 2262 01:39:16,119 --> 01:39:18,599 they have filed paperwork for a 2263 01:39:18,599 --> 01:39:23,639 certificate of use or site plan Etc by 2264 01:39:23,639 --> 01:39:25,599 our start date of 2265 01:39:25,599 --> 01:39:27,960 November uh 2266 01:39:27,960 --> 01:39:31,199 12th then we have to proceed with that 2267 01:39:31,199 --> 01:39:32,880 okay we have to proceed with that 2268 01:39:32,880 --> 01:39:36,000 because they got their uh requests in 2269 01:39:36,000 --> 01:39:39,199 before the moror okay so they may still 2270 01:39:39,199 --> 01:39:42,040 be working with our working with the 2271 01:39:42,040 --> 01:39:44,320 Office of cabis Management but they have 2272 01:39:44,320 --> 01:39:47,920 submitted that um request for site plan 2273 01:39:47,920 --> 01:39:50,560 certificate of use any of those listed 2274 01:39:50,560 --> 01:39:54,080 uh items under the uh moratorium then we 2275 01:39:54,080 --> 01:39:56,000 have to process that all the way through 2276 01:39:56,000 --> 01:39:59,639 oh okay and um the other thing we as we 2277 01:39:59,639 --> 01:40:01,800 had had this discussion before you said 2278 01:40:01,800 --> 01:40:03,480 that you're going to be looking to ocm 2279 01:40:03,480 --> 01:40:05,080 the office of cannabis management to 2280 01:40:05,080 --> 01:40:07,719 make sure that what we're doing here is 2281 01:40:07,719 --> 01:40:10,199 not outside of what we are allowed to do 2282 01:40:10,199 --> 01:40:11,719 based on what their guidelines are that 2283 01:40:11,719 --> 01:40:13,360 that's that's correct and we got to you 2284 01:40:13,360 --> 01:40:15,280 know there's as you know there's certain 2285 01:40:15,280 --> 01:40:18,440 distances that they have put into the 2286 01:40:18,440 --> 01:40:20,360 regulations those are the regulations 2287 01:40:20,360 --> 01:40:23,560 and that's what we got to do um the Town 2288 01:40:23,560 --> 01:40:25,239 of Babylon as you know that was our Vape 2289 01:40:25,239 --> 01:40:28,719 Shop model um they had a uh they had 2290 01:40:28,719 --> 01:40:30,199 conversations with the office of 2291 01:40:30,199 --> 01:40:33,360 cannabis management and they had a uh 2292 01:40:33,360 --> 01:40:35,360 they U set 2293 01:40:35,360 --> 01:40:40,239 a a uh a distance of 750 ft from a 2294 01:40:40,239 --> 01:40:43,040 residential district that the office of 2295 01:40:43,040 --> 01:40:45,840 cannabis management was okay with so 2296 01:40:45,840 --> 01:40:49,000 just putting that out for an example so 2297 01:40:49,000 --> 01:40:52,040 as we go through this and as we really 2298 01:40:52,040 --> 01:40:57,480 get into the uh the details of what we need to do um 2299 01:40:57,480 --> 01:41:01,480 we'll give you the uh uh updates and 2300 01:41:01,480 --> 01:41:04,560 then if necessary reach out to office 2301 01:41:04,560 --> 01:41:09,880 Canabis management for for guidance on those issues but I'm just that was 2302 01:41:09,880 --> 01:41:12,440 something that another municipality did 2303 01:41:12,440 --> 01:41:15,719 in in in in working up their 2304 01:41:15,719 --> 01:41:18,440 code other any more any other questions 2305 01:41:18,440 --> 01:41:20,040 regarding this 2306 01:41:20,040 --> 01:41:22,480 item okay so we'll have that public 2307 01:41:22,480 --> 01:41:23,960 hearing on the 2308 01:41:23,960 --> 01:41:26,719 28th uh the next item is discussion of 2309 01:41:26,719 --> 01:41:30,800 ocm 30-day notice for 10 excuse me 1708 2310 01:41:30,800 --> 01:41:34,520 Broadway okay there we go um as part of 2311 01:41:34,520 --> 01:41:37,880 the application process under rule 11 2312 01:41:37,880 --> 01:41:40,639 19.3 um as part of the application 2313 01:41:40,639 --> 01:41:42,400 process that goes before the office of 2314 01:41:42,400 --> 01:41:45,320 cannabis management and the Bureau of 2315 01:41:45,320 --> 01:41:49,480 can Bureau of cannabis control um the 2316 01:41:49,480 --> 01:41:50,960 municipalities is afforded an 2317 01:41:50,960 --> 01:41:52,840 opportunity to weigh in on a particular 2318 01:41:52,840 --> 01:41:54,400 location 2319 01:41:54,400 --> 01:41:56,960 um we have a 30-day this was filed last 2320 01:41:56,960 --> 01:42:00,440 week this is a location 2321 01:42:00,440 --> 01:42:03,920 uh on Broadway I believe it's the it's 2322 01:42:03,920 --> 01:42:07,639 the Old Key Bank building on the top of 2323 01:42:07,639 --> 01:42:12,239 uh Broadway so that just to be an idea 2324 01:42:12,239 --> 01:42:15,520 um we have we the city as 30 days you 2325 01:42:15,520 --> 01:42:18,159 have take a look at it if you have any 2326 01:42:18,159 --> 01:42:22,440 questions concerns comments Etc um we 2327 01:42:22,440 --> 01:42:23,800 can 2328 01:42:23,800 --> 01:42:26,920 we when I'm saying we the Law Department 2329 01:42:26,920 --> 01:42:31,320 can funnel those questions uh to the 2330 01:42:31,320 --> 01:42:34,159 Office of candidas Management for their 2331 01:42:34,159 --> 01:42:38,679 review and uh and uh if they have we 2332 01:42:38,679 --> 01:42:40,840 have any concerns regarding that 2333 01:42:40,840 --> 01:42:43,560 location then as part of the review 2334 01:42:43,560 --> 01:42:45,639 process at their level they have to 2335 01:42:45,639 --> 01:42:47,320 address our 2336 01:42:47,320 --> 01:42:50,280 concerns so um right now there'll be 2337 01:42:50,280 --> 01:42:53,199 Friday the 15th of November is the 2338 01:42:53,199 --> 01:42:56,080 30-day deadline so I would you if you 2339 01:42:56,080 --> 01:42:59,679 have any issues concerns um we can check 2340 01:42:59,679 --> 01:43:01,800 back here in a couple of weeks if if you 2341 01:43:01,800 --> 01:43:04,400 want to discuss this 2342 01:43:04,400 --> 01:43:07,159 um in further detail if you've thought 2343 01:43:07,159 --> 01:43:09,080 about you know whatever your concerns 2344 01:43:09,080 --> 01:43:11,000 are and then we'll make sure we'll get 2345 01:43:11,000 --> 01:43:14,440 those to the uh cannabis management uh 2346 01:43:14,440 --> 01:43:18,310 agency before the 2347 01:43:18,320 --> 01:43:21,560 15th so in in terms of municipality U 2348 01:43:21,560 --> 01:43:24,040 replying that does not take into we 2349 01:43:24,040 --> 01:43:25,480 don't we don't have to do anything by 2350 01:43:25,480 --> 01:43:27,880 asking the public we don't have to get 2351 01:43:27,880 --> 01:43:29,840 public just say this is the way they 2352 01:43:29,840 --> 01:43:33,760 view this is know as a 30-day comment 2353 01:43:33,760 --> 01:43:36,080 period from the community board or for 2354 01:43:36,080 --> 01:43:38,280 the from the government so this is 2355 01:43:38,280 --> 01:43:42,440 purely a uh uh as the policy makers for 2356 01:43:42,440 --> 01:43:43,520 the 2357 01:43:43,520 --> 01:43:46,880 city giving that process so it's a very 2358 01:43:46,880 --> 01:43:51,440 short window um so uh so whatever 2359 01:43:51,440 --> 01:43:55,119 concerns you have as a group yes I don't 2360 01:43:55,119 --> 01:43:57,679 recall that happening um with the 2361 01:43:57,679 --> 01:44:00,400 opening of the one on State Street well 2362 01:44:00,400 --> 01:44:03,560 that they that was I'm just is this no 2363 01:44:03,560 --> 01:44:06,800 that was that was 2364 01:44:06,800 --> 01:44:11,520 actually well on its way you because but 2365 01:44:11,520 --> 01:44:14,080 I think as as we go through this process 2366 01:44:14,080 --> 01:44:16,320 mward we're we're moving forward that 2367 01:44:16,320 --> 01:44:19,159 this is this the clerk gets it it's 2368 01:44:19,159 --> 01:44:21,760 distributed it's 30-day period so I 2369 01:44:21,760 --> 01:44:24,760 think um as the role out of this process 2370 01:44:24,760 --> 01:44:29,639 has gone through um I think that uh um I 2371 01:44:29,639 --> 01:44:31,920 think going forward will be a better way 2372 01:44:31,920 --> 01:44:33,000 of 2373 01:44:33,000 --> 01:44:37,040 having okay but that that was a 2374 01:44:37,040 --> 01:44:40,080 uh that was moving along and I think we 2375 01:44:40,080 --> 01:44:42,679 got something maybe in July at that 2376 01:44:42,679 --> 01:44:47,599 point and uh so but that was 2377 01:44:47,599 --> 01:44:49,119 already 2378 01:44:49,119 --> 01:44:52,040 processed so so I think I think from 2379 01:44:52,040 --> 01:44:55,080 both local level as well as the state 2380 01:44:55,080 --> 01:44:59,560 level we're getting in the 2381 01:44:59,560 --> 01:45:02,119 syn you're right Mr T that wasn't it 2382 01:45:02,119 --> 01:45:03,679 didn't it didn't go through this process 2383 01:45:03,679 --> 01:45:05,599 and although I just want to be clear 2384 01:45:05,599 --> 01:45:07,840 that we all of those things were 2385 01:45:07,840 --> 01:45:09,840 received in the Law Department in terms 2386 01:45:09,840 --> 01:45:11,960 of yeah and we rolled that out we did 2387 01:45:11,960 --> 01:45:14,639 roll that out too and we got to July one 2388 01:45:14,639 --> 01:45:16,679 I your pardon we rolled that out to July 2389 01:45:16,679 --> 01:45:20,000 one but it was already as you know that 2390 01:45:20,000 --> 01:45:21,639 was well on its 2391 01:45:21,639 --> 01:45:25,159 way that because the idea is that these 2392 01:45:25,159 --> 01:45:28,840 notifications are to be on the front end 2393 01:45:28,840 --> 01:45:30,520 like this one we're dealing with right 2394 01:45:30,520 --> 01:45:33,639 now whereas the one on for example the 2395 01:45:33,639 --> 01:45:37,599 one on Union Street was on the uh was 2396 01:45:37,599 --> 01:45:41,400 well well long before and we got it in 2397 01:45:41,400 --> 01:45:45,000 July so in terms of that that one in in 2398 01:45:45,000 --> 01:45:46,679 501 State 2399 01:45:46,679 --> 01:45:49,880 Street because dasne was in involved the 2400 01:45:49,880 --> 01:45:51,560 dormatory authority was involved with 2401 01:45:51,560 --> 01:45:53,080 that 2402 01:45:53,080 --> 01:45:55,280 is that why they had the opportunity to 2403 01:45:55,280 --> 01:45:57,320 just wait so long don't I don't know 2404 01:45:57,320 --> 01:46:03,390 okay I don't know okay I would 2405 01:46:03,400 --> 01:46:06,280 spe but we righted and going forward 2406 01:46:06,280 --> 01:46:09,400 we'll follow the C procedure okay we're 2407 01:46:09,400 --> 01:46:10,800 good all 2408 01:46:10,800 --> 01:46:14,280 right any other questions from this item 2409 01:46:14,280 --> 01:46:18,400 no okay thank you uh the final five 2410 01:46:18,400 --> 01:46:21,520 items um are all for 2411 01:46:21,520 --> 01:46:24,000 um executive session is for property 2412 01:46:24,000 --> 01:46:26,800 sales so I would ask for a motion to 2413 01:46:26,800 --> 01:46:29,560 reset City de City development 2414 01:46:29,560 --> 01:46:32,719 planning second all those in favor we're 2415 01:46:32,719 --> 01:46:35,870 recess thank 2416 01:46:35,880 --> 01:46:38,000 you so I'd like to call to order of the 2417 01:46:38,000 --> 01:46:39,440 claims committee we have two items on 2418 01:46:39,440 --> 01:46:41,400 the agenda tonight both items need to be 2419 01:46:41,400 --> 01:46:43,440 discussed in executive session so we 2420 01:46:43,440 --> 01:46:46,400 have a motion to enter executive session 2421 01:46:46,400 --> 01:46:49,960 so second all in 2422 01:46:49,960 --> 01:46:52,320 favor we are now executive session 2423 01:46:52,320 --> 01:46:55,679 public M Mr chairman I think perhaps 2424 01:46:55,679 --> 01:46:58,560 this point of order um uh you want to 2425 01:46:58,560 --> 01:47:00,400 hold off on that until after you have 2426 01:47:00,400 --> 01:47:03,880 your budget hearings or I'll you or you 2427 01:47:03,880 --> 01:47:08,199 want to do the claims now no no we'll do 2428 01:47:08,199 --> 01:47:16,990 and then we'll go the okay very thank 2429 01:47:17,000 --> 01:47:20,480 you yeah I think well they have to shut 2430 01:47:20,480 --> 01:47:25,470 it down over there so we 2431 01:47:25,480 --> 01:47:36,590 [Music]