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[0:10] I'd like to call the orders to connect
[0:11] the city council committee meeting for
[0:13] Monday October 21st
[0:15] 2024 and our first committee is Public
[0:17] Safety I'd like to call the Public
[0:19] Safety Committee to order we have two
[0:20] items on the agenda tonight first of
[0:22] which is the Edward burn Memorial
[0:24] Justice assistance grant Fula program
[0:27] local solicitation fisal year 202 for
[0:40] chief good afternoon good evening uh the
[0:44] city police department
[0:46] is requesting acceptance of this uh
[0:50] justice assistance grant ultimately we
[0:54] were awarded uh the city and county was
[0:56] awarded
[0:58] $357 uh there's been agreed amount that
[1:01] an agreed amount that the city will
[1:02] accept
[1:03] $55,000 and a remaining balance of $
[1:06] 3,711 will be used by the county
[1:09] ultimately what this does this will
[1:11] allow us to do rather is to use
[1:13] consumables for um new evidence Tech
[1:18] procedure equipment apparently there's
[1:21] new technology out there and the city
[1:23] possesses that we have uh use of uh like
[1:27] a fighter extractor uh so anytime you
[1:29] Mye pieces of fiber in either carpet or
[1:32] clothing they can extract that but it
[1:35] uses consumables so the $5,000 would be
[1:39] used to purchase consumables as they're used up and there is no
[1:44] matching funds required by the city
[1:47] thank you any questions or comments for
[1:50] so just to Clarity they um we use the
[1:52] air equipment yes the count that the
[1:55] count is purchasing and sell our cost
[1:57] for the consumables but we always have
[1:58] access to the equip itself that's
[2:00] correct okay that's all I have any other
[2:02] questions or concerns Mr Mayor my
[2:05] understanding that equipment would not
[2:07] be solely used for the city be made
[2:11] available for other agencies within the
[2:13] county so that's our portion would be
[2:17] 5,000 is going to go to to support our
[2:19] component utilization
[2:22] of
[2:25] some because it's the counties
[2:30] any other questions or concerns second
[2:33] all in favor the next item on the agenda
[2:37] is a reminder of the public hearing
[2:39] regarding creating a new section 20 24
[2:44] 24-11 of the S city code and amending
[2:47] section 228-9875
[3:00] safety hearing on have motion second all
[3:03] in favor
[3:04] I I would like to call the finance
[3:06] committee to order on the fourth item is
[3:08] the fire department contract acceptance
[3:10] personal protective equipments Turnal
[3:13] gear Chief
[3:22] Marina everyone good
[3:25] evening sor
[3:31] so a few weeks ago we were here to
[3:33] standardize our personal protective
[3:36] equipment PPE that's the turnout gear
[3:40] and the council moved that forward I'm
[3:42] very appreciative of that and now uh we
[3:45] have put out the
[3:47] bid our uh specs and we
[3:51] received uh a bid from garison they were
[3:54] the lowest bidder and it is for
[3:58] $4,130 per set
[4:00] and that would be good for one
[4:02] year so I'm asking the council to uh
[4:05] consider that and pass that
[4:08] forward
[4:10] questions see now may have a motion to
[4:12] move this forward second all in favor I
[4:15] thank you thank you Chief thank you next
[4:18] item is restor new Grant application May
[4:22] Marcy thank you Mr chairman this is a uh
[4:26] the state program an exciting project
[4:30] for the conversion and transition of the
[4:32] old Ellis excuse me the St Claire's
[4:34] hospital has been owned by Ellis
[4:37] Hospital of GRE ills here uh in his role
[4:40] as uh chair of Metroplex and heading up
[4:43] to unified economic
[4:45] development team accounted for uh
[4:49] getting looking for the city's support
[4:50] in turn to the application any specific
[4:53] questions Mr Gill
[4:56] available general questions I can answer
[5:03] any question for the mayor or um Mr
[5:09] Gillan other know what the mayor said
[5:11] just is there anything else want to
[5:13] we've been very successful in going
[5:14] after restore New York grants I think
[5:16] we've won seven this is the ninth round
[5:19] they look for big buildings uh that have
[5:22] a big impact on the community either
[5:24] renovating or demolishing them everyone
[5:26] knows about the central warehouse
[5:28] project in Albany recently that's going
[5:30] to be demolished so they're looking for
[5:31] you know um large structures that create
[5:35] either an opportunity or they're a drain
[5:37] on a community and they need to come
[5:39] down in this case we want to save the
[5:41] vacant St cla's hospital it's 400,000
[5:45] foot building that's a big building we
[5:48] have a proven developer in place uh
[5:50] they're applying for historic tax
[5:52] credits to help uh Finance the project
[5:55] this would be an application to the
[5:56] state for a restore New York money we've
[5:58] laid out the calendar uh in your the
[6:01] memo that was provided that shows that
[6:03] we can follow all the steps that you all
[6:05] like to follow and correct procedures
[6:09] and get an endorsement hopefully from
[6:10] the council by the end of November we
[6:12] submit the application in December we'll
[6:14] work very closely with the city staff at
[6:17] FX and the developer to put together
[6:19] hopefully a winning a winning
[6:22] application any questions on this go
[6:25] ahead please uh thank you for the the
[6:27] overview are these the type of projects
[6:29] white seat consideration for like Pilots
[6:32] yeah this is a great point I'm glad you
[6:34] raised that Council uh St cla's of
[6:36] course since it was built in 1949 has
[6:39] been off the tax rolls it's on an 18
[6:41] Acre Site uh this project would put it
[6:44] on the tax rolls through a pilot that
[6:46] would be uh still to be negotiated and
[6:49] we'll consult with the City Finance team
[6:51] and the mayor on that and all of you but
[6:54] we are very excited about the
[6:55] opportunity to put the buildings and the main hospital building on the tax
[7:01] rolls the other Medical Arts buildings
[7:04] at the campus uh which are staying open
[7:07] are already on tax
[7:10] rules any other question see now may
[7:14] have a motion to move this item forward
[7:17] second second all in favor thank you
[7:20] thanks the next item is discussion
[7:22] excessive waste speed
[7:25] schedule what's
[7:34] good evening good evening believe
[7:36] everybody has a copy of the proposed
[7:39] fees for bulk items um and um the we'll
[7:43] call the limit on the number of bags or
[7:46] gallon cans per unit in front of
[7:49] you it's been presented to you for
[7:52] discussion I don't know if any of you
[7:54] had time to go through it if you have
[7:55] any comments but
[7:57] again our was fees are going up
[8:00] drastically every year um pit fees the
[8:02] cost of truck and garbage this is also
[8:05] to address what we call the excessive
[8:08] waste on on a sneer and we know we go
[8:10] byy these houses that have I mean it
[8:13] looks like they empty three or four
[8:15] houses I put it on the curb and we take
[8:17] it right now and there's no additional
[8:18] charges or cost for that cost there is a
[8:21] cost for that but the city is absorbing
[8:22] that so this is to really look at if
[8:25] people are putting an excess amount of
[8:26] trash out for pickup including bulk
[8:29] which are taking up a lot of room in the
[8:31] trucks and adding weight to um The
[8:36] Collection well you just want to touch
[8:38] on the fres bag in excess of seven can
[8:41] you highlight that and how that was
[8:43] arriv that we discussed this in several
[8:45] meetings um two council members were
[8:47] present we had a committee um it was
[8:50] discussed a number of times on you know
[8:53] what would be the limit on the bags for
[8:54] the size bags um I believe we all came
[8:57] to a conclusion at first it was five 6
[9:00] and then oh you know I got a lot of
[9:01] garbage at 7 I mean I don't where you
[9:03] want to end we can go to 9 but we've got
[9:05] to have a point where it's reasonable
[9:08] and um you know there are some studies
[9:11] done by EPA and how much trash an
[9:12] average person puts you know out in a
[9:14] day um and we came to six and then we
[9:18] grew it to seven being a little bit
[9:20] generous I think um some of the U
[9:22] meetings I went to on some of the
[9:23] neighborhoods when they said seven bags
[9:25] some people said that's an awful lot of
[9:27] garbage it is seven bags and garbage
[9:29] or 145g can so that means if there's a
[9:33] two family unit it's 14 bags um or two 4
[9:37] gallon cans and for a three unit you got
[9:39] 21 bags or three some people have asked
[9:43] okay well what if put nine bags in my
[9:45] can well if you don't fill a bag that
[9:47] hard the can still holds nine bags it's
[9:49] nine bags but it's the can or seven full
[9:52] bags um so it was discussed in several
[9:55] meetings and this is what we came out
[9:58] with
[10:02] um can you talk a little bit I I I see
[10:04] the handout um that's in here but um
[10:07] have you thought at all about how you're
[10:08] going to promote this to residents of
[10:10] what what some of the methods might be
[10:12] Ben discussed just preliminary at some
[10:14] of the neighborhood meetings would come
[10:16] out as a soft start I we're just not
[10:17] going to start you know writing
[10:19] violations immediately um we'd have to
[10:22] do a soft start we have to do a lot of
[10:24] promotion you know there's a lot of work
[10:26] to put this out um couple of things that
[10:29] we discussed was um it's almost like the
[10:32] permit fee um if you're going to build a
[10:33] deck do some work in your house you come
[10:35] to see Hall the sheet that you have it's
[10:37] sort of an Excel simple Excel sheet you
[10:40] get six items you fill it in it's going
[10:43] to calculate the cost you come down the
[10:45] room nine do the sheet just like you do
[10:48] in codes you go upstairs for receips you
[10:50] pay for it come downstairs we give the
[10:52] appropriate stickers you put it on on we
[10:56] schedule for the next pickup um the SPL
[10:59] on there so would always go to the
[11:00] property owner um unfortunately
[11:03] tenants we we have no recourse to you
[11:06] know to um you know get that bill paid
[11:09] so we go to the homeowner um and if not
[11:13] paid obviously if we be an MDB it would
[11:15] be
[11:18] ly go ahead please so in terms of um and
[11:22] I wasn't there for the final decision
[11:23] I'm sting so in terms of who's going to
[11:26] keep track of the bags and how you're
[11:28] going to you know how it gets reported
[11:30] or let's say someone puts out eight bags
[11:32] and seven is the number so how does that
[11:35] get counted and then what happens with
[11:36] that excess bag and how does it get
[11:38] charged for I don't think we're going to
[11:40] step on everybody's toes for one bag
[11:42] once in a while okay all right five
[11:44] extra
[11:45] bags we have four new officers are out
[11:48] on a daily basis plus two three
[11:49] supervisors for which they'll go to the
[11:51] property they'll photo it um house
[11:55] there's an address on the house so it's
[11:57] documented and that on property law will
[12:00] be issued at MVB for the additional
[12:02] waste we're not going to leave it on the
[12:04] street it's got to be picked up we all
[12:06] know that's the one you know function
[12:08] and operation in the city has to be
[12:09] complete every day uh we can't go back
[12:11] tomorrow and repick it up we'll fall too
[12:13] far behind so it will be picked up so
[12:15] it's not left for you know neighbors to
[12:17] complain about um but it would be a
[12:19] violation as you know as any other the
[12:22] day when people put their trash out
[12:23] before 2:00 I you know we wrote a number
[12:26] of them today because you know uh
[12:29] have um you know 9:00 this morning for
[12:33] tomorrow's pick up so um the way to do
[12:36] this is enforcement if you don't enforce
[12:38] things nobody's going never follow the
[12:43] rule so follow in terms of billing you
[12:45] want to touch on that quarterly the
[12:47] suggestion is to build quarterly for
[12:49] this rather than building every we we
[12:51] wouldn't build it's really on the me
[12:53] it's it's sort of like if you're in the
[12:56] suburbs you know if you have a bulk
[12:57] items you call ahead part a trash
[12:59] collector and say I've got some material
[13:01] out there they'll schedule a day when
[13:03] they may have two people on that truck
[13:05] or not they'll you know the property
[13:07] owner will come down here whether he
[13:08] makes arrangements with his tenant um
[13:11] tell us they have X items to pick up or
[13:14] you know this we'll fill out and on that
[13:16] sheet you'll see that there's a pickup
[13:18] date so normally it would be the next pickup um you know if they came
[13:22] in
[13:23] 10:04 you know on a Thursday may not be
[13:26] Friday's pickup it may be the following
[13:28] Friday but we would tell them have it
[13:29] out on this date it'll all be picked
[13:32] up so for the ones who doesn't have that
[13:35] doesn't have what you know online or
[13:38] come into City Hall and have those
[13:39] stickers and just put it out like that
[13:41] to the C would that be picked up and
[13:43] then build y we we're not going to leave
[13:45] anything on the curve as we do right now
[13:48] we're going to pick it up but the
[13:50] property owner will be
[13:52] built well that's the proposal that we
[13:55] would continue to do that the final
[13:58] decision sto and what the city council
[14:01] adopts in the modified
[14:06] code go ahead please so the bill if it's
[14:09] say a
[14:11] refrigerator and they didn't come down
[14:13] and get the sticker so you build them is
[14:15] it the same amount or is it increased
[14:17] because they did not come down in De am
[14:20] same amount we do have administrative
[14:22] fee we ration $50 that's in the city
[14:24] code currently but again if it's up to
[14:28] city council want on to the neighborhood
[14:29] meetings it's only been discussed it's
[14:31] still a decision with the council and if
[14:35] you if you leave it there or you don't
[14:39] come down and you pick it up and there
[14:41] is
[14:42] no bill for it and I don't know why
[14:45] we're proposing this week smells W
[14:47] anyway I mean this is to sort of curtail
[14:50] the offenders that are just putting
[14:52] there all the time people who are
[14:54] bringing trash in from outside the city
[14:56] because they have Apartments here and
[14:57] they're leaving in front of their
[14:58] apartment buildings because it's free
[15:00] pickup beer and the reason for the
[15:02] question is if I don't come and get a
[15:06] sticker you going to take it anyway
[15:07] building it so why am they going to come
[15:08] down here and because based on that
[15:12] you're still going to get an
[15:12] administrative fee so it's going to be
[15:14] more money all right there's still
[15:16] administrative Fe attached to violations
[15:18] within the C code so if you choose to
[15:22] there would be a violation plus the
[15:26] pickup go ahead please you you brought
[15:28] up a good point about people bringing um
[15:30] garbage from outside the city so um for
[15:34] if someone I mean what if someone from
[15:35] outside the city just brings trash in
[15:37] front of my house and we have no way of
[15:39] knowing unless you go through the
[15:40] garbage that it wasn't my
[15:42] trash and so how do we and then it
[15:45] becomes between the homeowner or the
[15:47] renter and the either the garbage um the
[15:51] nuisance inspector or the city like to
[15:54] determine who really put that trash
[15:55] there but we do go through the trash and
[15:57] we look for mail okay but yes it does
[15:59] happen in fact people come in and drop
[16:01] it on the city property normal places
[16:03] are on wad Street shelting Avenue the
[16:05] Alleyways it happens on our own property
[16:08] and it may happen um and I believe law
[16:11] can answer that because the one time I
[16:12] was informed that it's presumed if it's
[16:15] in front of your house it is yours and
[16:17] that was the last um advice I got from
[16:20] Corporation Council fire new coration
[16:23] Council um I don't think it's going to
[16:26] happen every day on a daily basis but
[16:27] there's a possibility it's going to
[16:28] happen happen um we pick up trash all
[16:31] over the city that's just left in random
[16:34] places and you know it it it
[16:37] happens it's not a perfect
[16:42] system go ahead please Mr lean um what
[16:45] was sort of the general reaction from
[16:47] the neighborhood associations and thank
[16:49] you for going to all the neighborhood
[16:50] associations to talk about this it was
[16:52] taking well a lot of the um neighborhood
[16:55] ass realize that there are a lot of
[16:57] properties that are just access and you
[17:00] know to go back to your question
[17:02] is you know we might get a bag or two or
[17:04] an odd item that someone dumps but it's
[17:06] really going after the um viors who put
[17:09] just excessive amounts of waste on and I
[17:11] don't think they're going to bring
[17:12] trailer loads or truck loads into
[17:14] somebody's house and start just
[17:15] unloading it they'll probably get
[17:16] noticed you're going to have once in a
[17:18] while some point dump a TV or a single
[17:20] item in some of these I work some of
[17:22] these houses but to get back to you they
[17:24] did take it uh good um one of the things
[17:26] was a better way of maybe addressing how
[17:29] get the stickers um and it's something
[17:31] that was discussed can be done online um
[17:35] you know there's things we can look at
[17:38] um some say it may be an inconvenience
[17:39] to actually come here and you know
[17:41] purchase stickers but again if you think
[17:45] about it you know and you say okay hey I
[17:47] got a slow day today I'm going to run
[17:49] over the see Hall I'm going to just grab
[17:51] a dozen stickers just Happ for the year
[17:54] that's they're there you know you can
[17:56] call in there's things we can do but we
[17:59] have to start somewhere or we're just
[18:01] going to continue to pick up excessive
[18:03] amounts of waste and never get to a uh
[18:07] an
[18:11] end go ahead did we try something this
[18:13] similar to this um was there anything
[18:16] similar to this
[18:17] Tri back a few years ago not since I've
[18:21] been here I mean I know we did the the
[18:23] big push on um recycling years ago and
[18:27] we all know recycling is now
[18:30] you can add about $500,000 to you know
[18:32] our waste expenses because of recycling
[18:34] because you know 4 years ago was
[18:36] absolutely free it is not fre them we
[18:38] you've heard me say before we pay more
[18:41] to get rid of and dispose of our
[18:42] recycles than we do our nsw so um
[18:46] there's almost a half a million dollars
[18:47] in additional cost just on
[18:50] newy and so could you tell us which
[18:53] neighborhood associations that you've
[18:54] been to and also for those cuz
[18:57] neighborhood associations some of them
[18:58] don't have large turnout so what is the
[19:01] prop plan to reach people who don't ever
[19:04] go to Neighborhood associations or don't
[19:06] engage in that way in the community
[19:08] obviously if you make a decision on what
[19:10] we do and how we finalize it it's going
[19:12] to be you know um media it'll be on our
[19:16] website um I imagine put it in the
[19:20] newsletter um the paper maybe on the
[19:22] news it has to be you know there's going
[19:24] to be a a program to reach out to
[19:26] everybody I'll continue to go to
[19:28] Neighborhood meetings they have their
[19:30] websites they've been they can share it
[19:32] through their some of them have
[19:34] newsletters um but I've been to the
[19:36] stock aade I've been to B I've been to
[19:39] uh the G plot and the North
[19:44] End uner Union Chris was there yeah and
[19:49] one night um I had a special meeting um
[19:52] for the GE there'll be meetings at the
[19:54] same time and a budget meeting so I I
[19:56] couldn't get all three places so up for
[19:59] Union so it's five chis Chris Chris did
[20:02] a presentation to on that and uh at the
[20:04] one meeting um the representative from
[20:05] Sun was there and she was going to
[20:08] um spread the word a little to goe so I
[20:12] was thinking like um this is probably
[20:14] going to be something that people will
[20:17] with our best efforts of kind of
[20:18] educating people and get trying to get
[20:20] the word out that we'll see the real you
[20:23] know once we start to implement it um
[20:26] then people will start saying oh I
[20:27] didn't you know I was unaware whatever
[20:29] but I think that's kind of just what the
[20:31] natural progression of this is going to
[20:32] be until people to it become kind of a
[20:34] norm so I was thinking um I don't know
[20:36] if this was discussed but you know
[20:39] something like um so as we begin to
[20:43] implement it we see that person has
[20:45] eight bags so it's you know a couple
[20:48] more bags than what they should have or
[20:49] you know eight or nine bags and it's
[20:50] like instead of maybe the violation at
[20:53] that point then maybe something goes in
[20:55] the door to say hey this is a almost
[20:57] like a warning well was to do a soft
[21:01] stop which we don't we we know
[21:03] implementing something like today we
[21:05] start running a bu violations isn't
[21:08] going to help um it'll be a soft start
[21:11] and there will probably be some just
[21:12] reminders okay they don't like alert you
[21:15] warnings but a reminder that you know
[21:17] City implemented a new garbage structure
[21:19] and you know it may take you know maybe
[21:23] 60 days or 90 days I don't know for
[21:25] people to acclimate it but we're not
[21:27] looking to just say starting today we're
[21:29] going to start writing all these
[21:30] violations of heights there's going to
[21:31] be a soft start um to bring this program
[21:34] on
[21:38] board Miss sorry thank you Mr chairman
[21:42] again my thoughts on this are the
[21:44] council can move in a timely manner we
[21:47] normally do the distribution of the
[21:49] garbage schedules on a voluntary or
[21:53] handout basis this year we would look to
[21:56] do a for of a direct mail or making sure
[22:01] not only the garbage schedule but the
[22:04] new criteria is delivered to each and
[22:07] every pickup point then as Paul's
[22:10] outline Mr Farley's talked about is
[22:12] doing almost a no penalty enforcement
[22:15] period so people might get some type of
[22:18] citation saying that you're doing this
[22:21] wrong but there's no penalty you've got
[22:24] to be in compliance and as he saying 60
[22:28] days days 90 days as we educate people
[22:31] and uh find tune the
[22:36] system thank you so I I I appreciate all
[22:39] the time that a lot of people have put
[22:41] into this and I will say that we're one
[22:43] of the only large municipalities in the
[22:45] area that hasn't implemented um some
[22:48] type of structure for uh putting bulk
[22:51] items out at the at the curb um when we
[22:54] were in these um talks I um always asked
[22:58] about the uh as I call them the
[22:59] connected2 family that are cut into uh
[23:02] two three four Apartments um and uh you
[23:06] know maybe only on the books as a two
[23:09] family um I I would really like to see
[23:12] some uh housing sales pulled and and and
[23:15] code just checking into um the amount of
[23:17] apartments that are in some of these
[23:19] buildings that are putting out a lot of
[23:22] excessive trash um another thing is you
[23:26] know we just had a holiday
[23:29] um last week so you get maybe an extra
[23:32] day of trash which flows into your seven
[23:36] bags now being 10 bags or whatever so um
[23:39] I had originally asked the committee for 10 bags and we kind of cut back on
[23:43] that um and as far as trash bags I mean
[23:46] we only use 13 galon trash cans in our bags in our kitchen but then you
[23:53] can put out 735 gallon bags but these
[23:56] are 13 G yes so there only the seven
[24:00] yeah it's listed on here seven 13 gallon
[24:02] bags I I thought I saw 35 okay so and
[24:06] again as as as I say I mean there's just
[24:08] two of us that live in my house and a
[24:10] lot of times I put out you know I have
[24:12] six just for two of us uh being that we
[24:15] cook all the time um and and we do
[24:17] create a a lot of trash um but I would
[24:20] like to see you know I I I don't want to
[24:22] see and I I'm not calling this people
[24:24] being penalized by any means but um you
[24:27] know and repeated at our meetings my
[24:29] mother-in-law put out a can of trash
[24:31] this big um as a single senior woman um
[24:34] and then if she wants to throw out a
[24:35] lamp she just you know they have to add
[24:37] to this I mean
[24:39] there's and I understand it needs to be
[24:42] done um I I understand if we addressed
[24:44] this last year um we wouldn't even be
[24:47] having this discussion because for 30
[24:49] some odd dollars per unit everything
[24:52] would still be being picked up um but I do realize the importance of of these
[24:58] bulk uh items being put out and a lot of
[25:03] individuals abusing the
[25:05] system and we would be cognizant of
[25:08] certain holidays and we know we know the
[25:10] month of November coming up people get
[25:12] confused there's four holidays and you
[25:14] know Thanksgiving is going to generate a
[25:16] lot of trash so there's some common
[25:19] sense that we have to use too um you
[25:21] know that you know on a Monday after the
[25:24] long than evening weekend if there's two
[25:26] extra bags I think you know
[25:29] we have to work things in a little
[25:30] differently but but I mean I I understand that all this we we
[25:37] worked it out over and over and over
[25:39] again in in our meetings and we we
[25:41] really tried um I also I also thought of
[25:45] scales uh on on trash trucks so when
[25:48] you're picking up a bulk curb side um
[25:53] you know it gets weighed and build out
[25:56] so I I I still think I and I know that
[25:59] you know we have we need to increase our
[26:01] Revenue but I I also think that there's
[26:03] still more that can be done on how we
[26:07] can put this out and and again it's not
[26:10] going to be fair for everyone I realize
[26:12] that but try to make
[26:16] it if I can here's two things the scales
[26:20] will never work no to to outfit the
[26:22] trucks our debt service would increase
[26:24] so much we have to raise a lot of rates
[26:26] to begin with okay and then trying to
[26:28] way everything that's on a curve we
[26:30] better double our overtime across the
[26:32] board and hope that they want to stay in
[26:34] work um it just uh you know logistically
[26:36] would not work on the side where the
[26:39] people who put out maybe one or two bags
[26:42] um again if you're in the suburbs you're
[26:45] going to buy one can that's what they're
[26:47] going to charge you for whether you put
[26:48] one bag in it or you put all seven bags
[26:50] in it you're going to pay there's got to
[26:52] be a a baseline to everything and um I
[26:56] appreciate the time you put in and and
[26:58] Mr mic who who worked in trash who was
[27:01] very knowledgeable we reached out to
[27:04] anyone who has uh U commercial
[27:08] um um suburbs who have it and you're
[27:11] right it's one can top Clos same with
[27:15] recycling um so I I I know that
[27:18] something needs to be implemented I do
[27:21] and
[27:23] um go ahead please so I'm glad you
[27:26] brought that up Mr Toro I was going to
[27:27] ask I imagine you were one of the the
[27:30] key people who are part of this
[27:32] committee from start to finish is that
[27:35] correct I started it yes and then with
[27:38] this proposal like you take credit and I
[27:41] do not take credit for this prop like
[27:44] your feedback and comments are reflect
[27:46] in this document is that not correct
[27:47] some of them are yes so I would say in
[27:49] some of your reservations are you not
[27:50] confident in what you presented I think
[27:52] that would be the cause for pause at
[27:54] least for myself so do you feel good
[27:56] with this I wasn't part of the final
[27:58] presentation that Mr Leon's been going
[28:00] to neighborhoods and presenting so there
[28:03] are maybe some of my ideas in there but
[28:06] no I am not presenting this to you Mr
[28:09] Willam so does this document not reflect
[28:11] the conversations that you initiated or
[28:14] I had part in some of these initiations
[28:17] I I again put 10 out 10 bags on the
[28:19] table versus seven um Miss Porterfield
[28:23] sat there uh for most of the meetings as
[28:25] well so yeah so of your discussions what
[28:28] percentage would you say this reflects
[28:30] those
[28:31] discussions um we talked about pricing
[28:34] for units on you know for whatever both
[28:38] might put out and again I brought
[28:39] forward constantly what I just brought
[28:41] forward again was the amount of
[28:44] apartments in the city that that aren't
[28:45] regulated that need to be looked into um
[28:48] so they're putting out you know three
[28:50] times the amount of trash uh I I always
[28:53] brought up my mother-in-law's little
[28:54] tiny can and now all of a sudden you
[28:56] know she might have a mattress that goes
[28:59] out and and and a couple of other things
[29:01] and she's at $50 or she begins to get
[29:03] her stickers now it's $100 when had we
[29:07] addressed this properly um I don't think
[29:11] we'd really be going through any of this
[29:13] and I appreciate you raising so getting
[29:15] into my two questions that was a good
[29:17] point so your comment was if we raised
[29:20] fees to the $35 that was proposed last
[29:22] year this would be a new point we
[29:24] wouldn't have to address this issue now
[29:26] I would say at this present time with
[29:28] the proposed fee increases there's been
[29:30] no push back at least from myself so
[29:33] would that not address this issue at
[29:34] least this year so wouldn't this not be
[29:37] a topic of concern based on your comment
[29:40] I'm sorry I don't understand your
[29:41] question if we raise fees is this an
[29:44] issue um how much are you proposing to
[29:46] raise the fees this year I would say the
[29:48] mayor proposed $52 per year which
[29:51] exceeds the $35 from last year so if
[29:54] we're trying to just repeat the cost of
[29:56] increasing municipal waste
[29:58] my concern is if you change too much we
[30:01] can't evaluate the efficacy of any one
[30:03] change so that's one of my cautions but
[30:06] then also to your other issue which I
[30:08] drew an issue to your rental
[30:09] certificates with families being
[30:12] miscategorized isn't there a considered
[30:14] effort from like code enforcement to
[30:15] make sure properties are what they say
[30:18] they are so if that's a concern I think
[30:20] that is also an area we need to make
[30:21] sure we address this to the point if
[30:25] buildings are misidentifying themselves
[30:28] we have to make sure we right side that
[30:31] issue well the buildings are not
[30:33] misidentified it's when people do the we
[30:36] Warrior thing and wejust their buildings
[30:39] to something we're not aware of and they
[30:40] don't come in and get their proper
[30:42] permits so we don't know what's like
[30:44] them so when they convert a a two unit
[30:46] to a three unit or a four unit we're not
[30:49] always made aware that not everybody
[30:51] comes to the City Hall against the
[30:53] building permit and follows the
[30:54] procedure and a couple of things is yes
[30:57] the
[30:59] you know if you if you rais the fee just
[31:01] across the board um that's going to
[31:04] address everybody pays the same you get
[31:06] you it's not going to address the people
[31:08] who are still taking advantage of it and
[31:10] putting out the big buls of trash the
[31:12] whole point of this is to address the
[31:14] people who are putting the excessive
[31:15] amount of trash out in the bulk items
[31:17] and they answer the question about a
[31:19] mattress I think for a hun you know I
[31:21] think the mattress on a queen says is
[31:22] $10 so you can put out a whole bedroom
[31:25] array for about $45
[31:29] and I don't know I don't buy new
[31:31] mattress every month but I don't buy a
[31:33] sofa every couple weeks so it's very you
[31:36] know most people keep these for 20 years
[31:39] um but again you have a a straight base
[31:42] feed adjustment and I as I spoke earlier
[31:45] we've seen an increase of a half a
[31:46] million dollars cuz just recycle we
[31:49] never paid for recycle we're paying a
[31:51] half a million now for just
[31:54] recycle so that might address some of
[31:57] our cost that are going up just
[31:59] naturally but we still have to address
[32:00] the cost of the people who are just
[32:02] putting out you know boatloads of
[32:04] material along their property and just
[32:07] paying a modest view for it and so just
[32:10] closing comment I think that's why it's
[32:11] important to be intentional with our
[32:12] words so the $35 increase proposed last
[32:15] year just raising that would not have
[32:17] addressed this
[32:18] issue it
[32:21] the me yeah I I you know until we get
[32:26] some data on what we're picking up we've
[32:27] never gathered data we pick up we do
[32:29] know that you know we call them you know
[32:31] the jackpots and the truck pulls up and
[32:33] it takes you know another truck to come
[32:35] over and syst
[32:37] so you know the whole point is
[32:39] addressing you know the people who are
[32:41] putting you know 15 20 bags and cans
[32:45] emptying their you know their rental
[32:47] units because somebody moved out but
[32:49] they don't want to pay for a dumpster
[32:50] they just put it outside cuz C he takes
[32:52] it for
[32:55] free well let's just be clear my
[32:57] proposal so last year's budget was a $52
[33:00] increase it was a dollar a week last
[33:02] year again we had to
[33:06] get uh people to continue to work
[33:10] here uh Jud with the council we gave the
[33:13] drivers pay raises to just stay
[33:15] competitive not only with other
[33:17] localities but with Private Industry and
[33:21] so there's an expense here and right now
[33:25] it's all random there is no way that I
[33:27] can manage this and build in operational
[33:30] efficiencies with the structure that's
[33:32] in place today and what is on the code
[33:34] what I've told you before it's in the
[33:37] code nobody in the city's compliant it's
[33:40] much easier to do the enforcement it's
[33:42] just $50 a day will be the fine
[33:45] basically for
[33:47] everybody my garbage is not
[33:50] compliant the code says clear bags I'm
[33:53] using white garbage bags I can't find
[33:56] clear bags
[33:58] and just to address it when this was
[34:00] brought to us um last year into the
[34:02] budget it was discussed as excessive
[34:05] garbage jackpot so it wasn't I don't
[34:10] think um we discussed all these um what
[34:13] we call it these bulk items here was
[34:16] discussed last year it's more of
[34:17] addressing excessive garbage last year
[34:20] and you're correct Mr Mard
[34:24] the jackpots is the staff coins to turn
[34:29] is a
[34:30] clear situation that has Universal
[34:34] acceptance those are wrong and incorrect
[34:39] but where do you draw the line it is a
[34:42] far more complex analysis from people
[34:45] who may only be putting out one or two
[34:47] bags there are people who do very good
[34:50] uh you know we don't do Source
[34:51] separation anymore but the single stream
[34:54] versus uh MSW and how do you put in
[34:58] place something that is fair Equitable
[35:01] and
[35:03] manageable so so um there's seven um CH
[35:07] gallons trash bag for one container so
[35:10] if I were to have two two cans out there
[35:12] with seven bags is that a violation
[35:14] would that be a violation well it's a
[35:15] single unit yeah you're you're either
[35:17] given you know seven bags tied sitting
[35:19] at the curb or one 45g can now you can
[35:23] take your seven bags and put it in the
[35:24] can if you want to keep a nice meat you
[35:26] know backyard
[35:28] and it's your choice I mean some people
[35:30] could fit maybe nine or 10 bags in in a can if they'll fill them all the
[35:33] way but it's it's either or it's 145g
[35:37] can or seven bags a lot of people don't
[35:39] cans they just bring their bags up they
[35:41] said I'm at the curb and if they're
[35:43] seven bags we're going to take of stole
[35:46] the discretion of the council there
[35:48] would be two
[35:50] cans one would be for MSW one would be
[35:53] for recycl what I was trying to get at
[35:55] if I I'm going to use myself as an
[35:57] example if I were to have two garbage
[35:59] can with seven bags one has four one has
[36:01] three in would that be compliance no in
[36:06] if if what you are looking at right now
[36:08] it's either or you get 145 gon can or
[36:11] seven bags or you double it or triple it
[36:14] for the units but after three units then
[36:17] it's a commercial City Cod okay go ahead
[36:20] please okay so I was thinking that maybe
[36:22] we need to make I think we're saying
[36:24] there's a an important distinction
[36:26] that's not being made here so I think
[36:28] last year if I remember the conversation
[36:31] correctly it was primarily around these
[36:33] jackpots and it was um um The View oh
[36:36] sorry sure no no what I remember so so
[36:40] um and it was it was primarily around
[36:42] the jackpots and but my uh my
[36:46] recollection it wasn't just me and other
[36:48] members of the council were saying well
[36:50] when you have people you know such as
[36:53] your mother-in-law who's putting out you
[36:54] know one bag of garbage you know pretty
[36:56] consistently maybe a lamp or something
[36:58] like that we don't want because the
[37:01] neighbor down the street is putting down
[37:03] a putting out a couch and 25 bags of
[37:05] garbage that shouldn't increase her
[37:08] because she's you know making reasonable
[37:11] Cho choices and you know we don't want
[37:13] to negatively impact um her as far as
[37:17] the jackpot so that's one issue then the
[37:19] other issue is just the increase of cost
[37:22] and the increase of Labor and that is
[37:24] something that will be addressed be via
[37:27] you know increasing the fees all across
[37:29] the board but I think that a lot of
[37:31] times in that conversations those issues
[37:33] were getting conflated and even maybe so
[37:35] now the point being that the fee
[37:37] structure is for is to try to manage
[37:41] some of these jackpots that's happening
[37:43] and then propos increases is for the
[37:46] general am I correct about that okay
[37:49] thank you the cost of the operation Pap
[37:51] garbage and tip fees fuel oil
[37:53] maintenance on the vehicles cost of new
[37:55] vehicles that all goes up our benefits
[37:58] go off the Union as the mayor spoke you
[38:01] know there were some increases to keep a
[38:02] competitive working in the trash it's a
[38:04] hard job they're out there no matter how
[38:06] cold it is how wet it is how much snow's
[38:08] on the ground um to get their pay up
[38:11] with regards to where it Us and other
[38:14] communities that covers that they see
[38:17] but now you got to look at the people
[38:19] who are increasing it even more because
[38:22] they're just taking advantage of what
[38:24] they're putting out there because right
[38:26] now it's there's no
[38:28] so to your point would know that
[38:30] wouldn't have addressed what we're
[38:31] talking about and I think so and the
[38:33] other thing is you know Mr turo I think
[38:36] you your concern around like the
[38:38] apartmentss and to your kind of Weekend
[38:40] Warriors I think one of the positive
[38:42] byproducts of this will be those places
[38:44] might be more easy to identify for C
[38:47] because now we'll pull up we say listen
[38:48] you got this is a two family house and
[38:50] you're giving me you know six units
[38:52] worth of trash you know that might be
[38:53] some indicators where we can start
[38:55] communicating maybe that makes us more
[38:56] effect move work more efficiently within
[38:58] our Cod Department nuisance officers
[39:00] will generate a notice and we can give
[39:03] it to codes to do an inspection to see
[39:05] that they put in extra two apartments
[39:06] that we wen't aware of there we go thank
[39:09] you and mayor whenever this is roll out
[39:12] we intend to have online service so
[39:14] people can purchase stickers online
[39:16] we're looking at all those scenarios
[39:18] would you maybe be able to purchase in
[39:20] local stores so there would be a
[39:22] neighborhood convenience uh one scenario
[39:25] is that we might mail out
[39:28] a couple of stickers to everybody at the
[39:30] beginning of the year so you get
[39:32] some uh there's an assumption you're
[39:34] going to have something that's going to
[39:36] exceed the limit that still the
[39:39] prerogative of the city council to
[39:41] actually Implement that or put it in
[39:43] code and then we'll manage it going
[39:46] forward go ahead please so mayor you
[39:49] brought this up about the flare and
[39:50] translation bags and I see that there's
[39:52] no change within the code but as you
[39:55] stated they're difficult to find so if
[39:58] we're going to do this I I think that we need to also address the part of the
[40:02] code that can't that can't that people
[40:05] can't comply with because they don't
[40:06] have the ability to comply with as
[40:08] opposed to changing all this and then
[40:09] somebody puts it out in the black bag
[40:11] they're like well it's not clear not
[40:12] only do you have eight they're black so
[40:14] we would need to address that part of
[40:16] the code to um section
[40:19] 1614h number one uh there's that and
[40:22] then um Mr lefon you said that we never
[40:24] collected data on this so
[40:27] how how is it that we're coming to this
[40:30] without ever having ever having
[40:31] collected data and um similar to what
[40:35] Mr uh Mr manini T the other day did we
[40:38] do a cost benefit analysis because now
[40:40] we're talking about putting the stickers
[40:42] in stores we're talking about increasing
[40:45] staff time to do some things one of them
[40:46] is counting bags I know it's nuisance
[40:49] officers but still that's an added um
[40:51] responsibility that they don't currently
[40:53] have so is this going to is it are we
[40:56] getting it more than we're putting out
[40:58] in terms of this no I think no matter
[41:01] what we do we're going to benefit going
[41:02] forward because right now we're not
[41:04] doing
[41:05] anything so you know you look at you
[41:08] know data we'll start looking at data
[41:11] because now we're we we we know that
[41:14] when we're out you know we have
[41:16] everybody's sing you know the excessive
[41:18] waste has certain you know properties
[41:20] here and there all throughout the city
[41:22] every
[41:23] neighborhood you know we don't record it
[41:25] but as we start doing this you know
[41:27] there will be that because people will
[41:29] be coming in and buying it we'll know
[41:30] now if somebody is you know in violation
[41:33] or needs to get a warning notice um we
[41:35] can start keeping track of it um but
[41:39] again it's just been you know a rule of
[41:42] the city that if it's on
[41:43] the you know now we know what we're
[41:46] taking is six bags or 145 gallon can and
[41:50] you know since the stuff will be paid
[41:52] through you know uh munist or municity
[41:55] um it'll be tracked so when people come
[41:57] in for for tickets we'll know hey we we
[41:59] sold X number of um tickets and the
[42:01] revenue was this but we don't know now
[42:03] when we pull up the guys go out they
[42:06] want to get the job done they're putting
[42:07] the bags in they're putting B items in
[42:09] they're putting you know you'd be amazed
[42:11] at how much um little child Furniture we
[42:14] get once children outow the little tiny
[42:17] top stuff the plastic stuff just goes
[42:19] out on the curve and it's just going
[42:20] into the trash um you know it just it
[42:23] just goes as normal day trash we don't C every item we're picking
[42:29] up and to address your point if you turn
[42:32] to the next page um on the draft
[42:35] legislation and right almost in the
[42:37] middle of the first
[42:39] page um your point is addressed there in
[42:41] terms of the um plastic bags it's being
[42:45] renamed it's still in there we didn't
[42:47] there was no suggestion for changing
[42:48] that there is a suggestion here on the
[42:52] line B in plastic Refuge B section two
[42:56] yes clear or trans refuse B we go down
[42:58] to the underlying section
[43:01] one all residential solid
[43:05] ways it's in that section there so it
[43:08] doesn't have to be clear any longer that
[43:10] is correct as for this dra
[43:13] so there was some I thought I heard
[43:15] somebody say
[43:16] something well so now we are going to a
[43:20] public heing this yeah I will just ask
[43:22] mrri just brief us on the on the draft
[43:25] here so that we can we have question I
[43:28] do have one other question um and
[43:31] obviously I'm not remember correctly I
[43:32] thought that we settled on 32 gallon but
[43:36] it's 45 45 and is there in terms of the
[43:41] staff and we you talk to be4 about the
[43:44] you know how heavy it could be and if it
[43:46] rains and stuff gets inside so people
[43:49] have to
[43:50] have cans that have tops right but we we
[43:54] prefer cans to have tops but we all know
[43:56] that LDS disappear
[43:57] um windy days we know and the one thing
[44:00] with trash bags when they're tied and
[44:03] the trash is in them they they stay in
[44:05] the bag the problem is we have a lot of
[44:07] Home properties that put their trash out
[44:09] then they carry the loose trash and set
[44:11] on top of the bag going in a hurry just
[44:13] blown down you know it's just you know
[44:15] we talk about in our meetings it's the
[44:17] same cardboard our code says cardboard
[44:19] supposed to be broken down and tied
[44:22] mhm I probably got just as many
[44:25] violations as we did with no clear bags
[44:27] um you know with the amount of boxes
[44:29] people receive now through Amazon and
[44:31] everything else they're just putting you
[44:33] know boxes on the curtain they're all over the place I mean you
[44:37] know we want to Pride ourself on the
[44:39] city we want to be you know as clean as
[44:42] we can be and we've got to start
[44:44] somewhere and one of it is we put out
[44:46] the trash shouldn't be tied Force the
[44:50] Cod should be in bags or going to use a
[44:52] can the top should be on it U but we got
[44:55] to prevent the lit from just rolling
[45:01] and cardboard is not part of this new
[45:03] free structure well cardboard is not
[45:05] cardboard is considered rable and but in
[45:08] the city code it's supposed to be broken
[45:09] down made Flat and tight and we all know
[45:12] going down the street and yard was is
[45:15] not part of this also yard waste is just
[45:16] strictly yard waste we continue to pick
[45:18] up yard waste and buy varable bags SE
[45:21] says um to the mons that's listed in the
[45:23] city c um that goes to the count um yard
[45:27] facility you know there are fees
[45:29] involved with that we don't we don't
[45:30] dispose of our stuff there for
[45:34] free uh just one of my final comments uh
[45:37] I appreciate the presentation and the
[45:38] dialogue around the table sincerely um I
[45:40] think my biggest concern is just having
[45:43] in adverse impacts on um disadvantaged
[45:46] um households for U frequently dis
[45:49] disenfranchised I think My worry is
[45:51] again to Mr Toro's point like I I can
[45:54] actually speak for myself there are some
[45:55] Le where you have a lot of bags other
[45:57] weeks where you don't and my fear is who
[46:00] was that discretion up to if the focus
[46:03] is on jackpots so I don't know if
[46:05] there's a way to write in to legislation
[46:07] our Focus area is on the excessive 12 to
[46:10] 15 range however to mayor's point we
[46:13] need to actually Define what is
[46:14] appropriate but I'm in agreement with
[46:16] having a no penalty enforcement I think
[46:18] there also needs to make there needs to
[46:20] be a considered effort with how do we
[46:22] get feedback from the community um so I
[46:24] think we need to uh focus on that uh as well I give you an
[46:29] example my sons live outside the city
[46:32] and they have you know one can for
[46:34] recycle one private pickup he's got too
[46:37] much garbage stays in the garage because
[46:39] next week he hopefully doesn't have as
[46:41] much and he goes into the camp um you
[46:43] know it's how it's done outside it's in a private sector private world
[46:48] you know I got four extra bags well I
[46:50] know he's not going to take it I leave
[46:53] it next to can they help get out because
[46:54] they have the war on them truck so it
[46:57] stays an extra week and he gets it in um
[47:01] you know I
[47:01] mean we have a rule if if it's designed
[47:05] on and we sort of stick by the best we
[47:07] can you know there is a soft start um
[47:11] but you know if you start letting
[47:13] everybody go it's two bags this week
[47:15] well it's three next week then I don't
[47:17] know goe I'm sorry I'll shut up after
[47:21] this I
[47:22] promise I I would push back on that and
[47:25] say it's a privilege to have a garage um
[47:27] and then also just my comment for the
[47:29] record would be I'm strongly opposed to
[47:32] based on my one I will agly Define on
[47:35] comment my one ride along with the uh
[47:38] Municipal Solid Waste crew I will never
[47:40] do another one again I SW for weeks what
[47:43] they do is impactful and it is not easy
[47:45] um I am opposed to any additional work
[47:47] being attributed to them what our
[47:49] loaders and drivers do already please
[47:51] correct me if I'm wrong it is laborous
[47:53] for a reason and I would want their
[47:56] focus to be on
[47:57] loading the trash and driving those
[47:59] Vehicles safely and soundly and I think
[48:01] we identify any other administrative
[48:03] work to go to that that could alter that
[48:06] the administrative work um you
[48:09] know they're picking it up now so
[48:12] whether they pick up seven bags and if
[48:14] that's what is decided with the council
[48:16] pick up the seven bags going if
[48:18] nothing's done and they go to the house
[48:20] and there's 47 bags and three counes
[48:22] they're going to pick it up anyway
[48:23] because that's what we do um the
[48:25] administrative were the guys picking up
[48:27] that work like doing administrative work
[48:28] I have four supervisors and I have four
[48:31] nuisance officers and if we're running
[48:33] short I'm out there Mr one is out there
[48:37] um but we have management staff that's
[48:39] out there to assist these issues
[48:42] document thingses um the burden wouldn't
[48:44] be on the drivers or the labor loaders
[48:46] that are actually loading the garbage
[48:47] start start taking pictures and you know
[48:50] adding another they've got a l like you
[48:53] said and they work very hard to do what
[48:54] they do thank you I'll
[48:58] I I I just want to be clear that I know
[49:00] this is necessary
[49:03] um and uh to make a point of uh
[49:06] commercial uh trash pickup uh my
[49:10] daughter's friend that took her almost a
[49:12] month to get rid of her uh children's
[49:15] boxes from Christmas last year because
[49:17] she had to you know break everything
[49:19] down put in the garage fill the can you
[49:23] know the next week whatever whatever so we've been very fortunate
[49:27] um up to this point of being able to to
[49:30] get rid of all of our trash in the way
[49:32] that we have but again um we need to be
[49:35] start start being uh you know a little
[49:38] bit more conservative and and um maybe
[49:42] even uh little uh piles in our yard
[49:45] compost piles of food scraps um things
[49:48] like that so um again it's it's now one
[49:51] thing I think some of you come back to
[49:53] me and said that they've seen an
[49:54] improvement based on our nuisance office
[49:56] is going out and addressing the early
[49:58] hours absolutely and the reason we saw
[50:01] that Improvement is we've been writing
[50:04] violations because you know we write
[50:06] them and people are being educated that
[50:10] it's got to be 2:00 or
[50:14] later just follow to Mr Williams
[50:18] Point his points which are correct but I
[50:23] believe that as we go through this it's
[50:26] actually going to reduce our waste
[50:27] stream because today we have so many
[50:29] people that are taking advantage of it
[50:31] because there are no rules in place and
[50:34] again I'm trying to not do too much at
[50:39] once even though we had a robust
[50:42] discussion a year ago about this if you
[50:44] go back the prior year in my budget
[50:47] message I again referenced jackpots in
[50:51] that so it's been two years to get us to
[50:53] this point if we go to and I'm not
[50:57] suggesting this it's just hypothetically
[50:59] that some Community might want to go to
[51:01] standardized sizes for
[51:04] cans and then we can automate the arms
[51:07] on the garbage
[51:08] trucks which uh other municipalities
[51:12] were they've done that reduces their
[51:14] workman's comp
[51:15] cases and so it's how do you again build
[51:18] that efficiency in have rules in place
[51:21] that make sense to people and we really
[51:25] still have a uh a great system here the
[51:29] transfer station the city owns and we uh
[51:32] have advantaged by an outside contractor
[51:35] is available for people uh not only
[51:38] within the city but in the region who
[51:40] can go and dump there so if you have uh
[51:44] MSW you can go in uh if you have cndd
[51:47] material you can go in and then there
[51:49] are also private companies immediately
[51:51] adjacent to that site who do a lot of
[51:54] recycling so if somebody has paper if
[51:57] they have metal Goods so they can go
[51:59] down there and actually get a little bit
[52:01] of money for uh the material that
[52:04] otherwise might just be treated solely
[52:06] as
[52:09] garbage I just ask Mr Brian just a brief
[52:12] us on the
[52:14] dra I know there there's been a lot of
[52:16] comparison to the suburbs versus the
[52:18] city but an urban area versus suburbs
[52:21] most of the people out there are
[52:22] homeowners we're we're dealing with a
[52:24] lot of renters in the city so I don't
[52:26] know that can necessarily kind to try to
[52:29] um apply the same thing but I mean I
[52:31] live in I don't have a garage people in
[52:32] the city do but and maybe many people
[52:34] that are homeowners in suburbs and
[52:36] surrounding areas have garages that
[52:38] doesn't apply so I want to be careful
[52:40] that we're not trying to compare
[52:42] ourselves to a municipality or a
[52:44] surrounding area even within the SK
[52:46] County that this it's not going to be
[52:48] the same kind of
[52:51] thing I was sitting here at the
[52:53] inspection report since the mayor
[52:55] mentioned the transfer station the state
[52:56] inspected our transfer station today and
[52:59] um it was all satisfactory no violations
[53:03] and nothing there so our contract
[53:05] operator trans
[53:10] station I I do want to say that uh the
[53:13] city of Troy did buy chance for every
[53:16] resident um you know oh yeah so the city
[53:22] no no no I I know we're not suggesting
[53:24] that but we did have AR funds but again
[53:27] their trucks now can uh use the one arm
[53:30] to to empty things and and I know Mr
[53:32] Leon reached out to troit again and the
[53:34] committee we we did reach out to every
[53:36] municipality that was Amsterdam Troy UDA
[53:39] um H just just recently so again we're we're moving in in a direction
[53:46] where you know we need to go um but I
[53:48] think there's a little bit of work that
[53:49] the council can still do so and that's
[53:52] why we're here we're here discussing it
[53:54] to move forward because um it's added in
[53:56] the 2025 budget the revenue associ with
[54:00] this increase Mr Brian can you just
[54:02] brief us on on the changes of draft
[54:04] legislation
[54:06] um thank you Mr chairman uh in your
[54:09] packets this week uh you've gotten a
[54:12] rough rough outline working draft of the
[54:14] sections of the code there's going to be
[54:16] various sections of the code that
[54:17] they're going to have to be uh amended
[54:20] the new materials underlined at the
[54:22] bracket materials taken out um we've
[54:24] already talked about the size of it the
[54:26] garbage cans and the plastic bags um
[54:30] based on follow Mr fund mentioned
[54:33] earlier and the concerns council members
[54:36] um there's a 164-1 n it's not all the
[54:39] way in there but it's uh penalties for
[54:42] offenses subdivision one that will be a
[54:45] grace period uh following the effective
[54:47] date of the amendments to this chapter
[54:49] this is language that was in the
[54:50] original chapter 161 when they enacted
[54:54] it there was a there was a vision of a
[54:56] grace period put in the original chapter
[54:59] 161 um this is um going along with that
[55:03] uh the original uh 161 grace period but
[55:06] updating it uh when there shall be only
[55:09] a verbal written warnings issued to
[55:11] violators of this chapter during this
[55:12] time period from the effective date of
[55:14] the Amendments which would be January 1
[55:17] uh uh to the enforcement date of April
[55:19] 1st there shall be an intensive program
[55:21] of notification education on amended uh
[55:24] procedures and Associated fees
[55:27] so it's mandating the city to go through
[55:29] a a procedure for the first four you
[55:31] know 3 months uh uh before any sort of
[55:35] enforcements going in and that's really
[55:37] language that was from the original
[55:38] chapter 161 when that was enacted so
[55:41] just updating that and applying it to
[55:43] this particular case it was en Vision
[55:45] when this uh this chapter was put in
[55:49] that there would be a it would have to
[55:51] be an education perod and that's just
[55:53] updating it for these
[55:54] amendments um
[55:57] as uh also we're looking at various
[56:01] sections of
[56:02] 161 D Article Five is really the fee
[56:06] based uh system of collection of solid
[56:09] waste and recyclables Article Five of
[56:11] chapter 161 is the the fee schedule that
[56:14] we've been discussing as far as the fees
[56:17] to all residencies this is kind of this
[56:20] is uh going into greater detail than and it's in there right now besides
[56:25] going once again for the sides of the
[56:27] cans and the the plastic bags it is
[56:32] trying to wrap it my it is dealing with
[56:35] that issue of excess res residential
[56:39] Solid Waste or bulky items it's it's
[56:41] dealing with the if it's more than what
[56:44] it is said here then it's then those
[56:47] fees will be in place those stickers
[56:51] will be required so um that is said
[56:56] setting forth was the schedule um
[56:59] dealing with the the schedules we saw
[57:01] separately that are also part of this um
[57:03] Furniture couches
[57:05] Etc um and then Property Owners May
[57:09] purchase excess uh residential Solid
[57:12] Waste stickers to fix to their items
[57:14] there was a discussion of $5 per sticker
[57:16] that's just a that's in there if the
[57:19] council wants to change it that's up to
[57:21] then stickers will be available at the
[57:23] city clerk's office and the department
[57:25] General Services office
[57:26] right now that's just for discussion
[57:29] purposes if everybody's okay with that
[57:32] as we go forward that can stay in there
[57:35] um and then each property owner be
[57:37] issued free excess residential solid
[57:39] voice stickers each calendar year once
[57:41] again that can be adjusted that's just
[57:44] you know for discussion purposes if you
[57:45] want to come back and amend it
[57:50] um and then it goes through other
[57:53] sections that are not being amended and
[57:55] then dealing with the issue is of uh the
[57:57] depositing of public collection for
[58:00] public collection of solid waste not
[58:01] originating in the city shall be
[58:03] considered an unclassified misdemeanor
[58:05] that's under
[58:07] 16126 penalties for offenses creating a
[58:10] new paragraph D indicating that if that
[58:13] is done then there'll be a fine up to
[58:16] $1,000 or up to 100 day 180 days per per
[58:21] occurrence so that's upping the the
[58:24] people who may be bringing trash you
[58:28] putting the penalty to that
[58:30] particular uh
[58:32] violation so the way ahead the way ahead
[58:35] is you've got a working draft in front
[58:37] of you you've got the permits uh the the
[58:39] schedule of fees that Mr lefon uh gave
[58:43] you last week as well you can call for a
[58:45] public hearing which would be on uh
[58:47] November 12th Tuesday November 12th if
[58:50] you put it on for these this working
[58:53] draft plus the the schedule of fees that
[58:56] fond put together can be posted on the
[58:59] city's website for for comment so at
[59:02] that public hearing on the
[59:04] 12th um you that would be the time
[59:07] period for public comments on this at
[59:10] Citywide and then this would come back
[59:12] to the uh committee uh for final action
[59:18] uh so uh that's the way ahead um this is
[59:21] just a working draft it's it's it's
[59:24] indicating those areas of the code that
[59:26] need to be changed and uh and dealing
[59:30] with the plastic bags and the excess
[59:32] solid waste and the fee schedule and uh
[59:35] so really based on that it's it's a it's a public hearing on this on the
[59:41] fees and then any sort of amendments
[59:44] changes whatever you know after the
[59:47] public hearing you can adjust
[59:50] accordingly Mr I just want to touch on
[59:53] 16124 um the U EX sorry 25
[1:00:01] exemptions yeah those exemptions are not
[1:00:03] being changed the exemptions that are in
[1:00:06] the current ordinates are not being
[1:00:10] changed so any person because of age or
[1:00:14] disability etc those the exemptions that
[1:00:17] are in the C current uh code are not
[1:00:19] being
[1:00:20] changed um so uh that was the original
[1:00:25] uh section was put into place when the
[1:00:27] uh the garbage fees as a separate item
[1:00:31] in the in the in the city budget was
[1:00:32] created back some years ago so that was
[1:00:35] the original language
[1:00:40] so any question go ahead please so in
[1:00:43] the um in the changes that you
[1:00:44] highlighted in in in that are
[1:00:46] highlighted in yellow so we're talking
[1:00:48] about seven days right seven seven is
[1:00:51] the number now that was that was the
[1:00:53] consensus once again that you can have
[1:00:56] that's just is a proposal that's a
[1:00:58] proposal and that can Beed it says six
[1:01:00] in here that's my point
[1:01:02] okay
[1:01:03] that's and in the places where it talks
[1:01:06] about it it says that they first of all
[1:01:07] that there could be two containers and
[1:01:09] my understanding that can only be one
[1:01:11] and then it says that um no more than
[1:01:13] six plastic bags so I just want to make
[1:01:14] sure if we're putting this out for
[1:01:16] public hearing that it's consistent to
[1:01:19] what we're
[1:01:20] discussing residential Solid Waste shall
[1:01:22] be placed in no more than two containers
[1:01:24] and no more than seven 13 gon bags with
[1:01:28] and then go further down it says six
[1:01:31] which which one on page 74 it says
[1:01:34] residential child is not fitting within
[1:01:37] the containers or six
[1:01:42] [Music]
[1:01:46] classif no more than
[1:01:48] seven more
[1:01:51] than oh okay the typo got it and and
[1:01:56] when it appears again on page 75 it's
[1:01:59] the same it's the same paragraph okay
[1:02:01] got it thank
[1:02:02] you so so just going back Mr to the to
[1:02:06] the question I asked you where we said
[1:02:08] 145 gallon 7 13 gallons of trash but if
[1:02:12] you go to the underlining section here
[1:02:15] section two it says two
[1:02:17] containers and was the reason why I as
[1:02:19] that it's it's 145 145 so we'll need to
[1:02:24] um you know or we to Define it as a
[1:02:27] separate container for your recycl yeah
[1:02:29] so you just want to have one container
[1:02:31] that's solid that's we're having this
[1:02:34] discussion sh with no more than two
[1:02:36] containers so it's we need to change
[1:02:38] that to one container which number well
[1:02:40] it's one is for MSW is
[1:02:43] for a solid yeah but we should St we
[1:02:48] want one container Rec one for okay so
[1:02:52] we might have to Define change that
[1:02:57] page 76 just to no just to be CU
[1:03:02] recycles a different we just want to
[1:03:04] make sure we just want to stay with
[1:03:05] solid W yeah
[1:03:09] okay goe last on the same page 76 last
[1:03:13] very last sentence yes I should read fee
[1:03:17] $15 and then in parentheses yes thank
[1:03:21] you right at the bottom1 91 15 thank you
[1:03:26] that would that was a holding placeold
[1:03:29] that can be
[1:03:31] deleted okay so we'll make not of those
[1:03:35] um minor
[1:03:38] Corrections align with us go ahead
[1:03:40] please and then recommendation on page
[1:03:42] 75 I know it outlines that there will be
[1:03:44] a grace period of 90 days can we also
[1:03:47] include that we oversee a presentation a
[1:03:50] report I think hearing what the nuisance
[1:03:53] officers are seeing in the city would
[1:03:55] help guide our recommendation whether to
[1:03:57] proceed or
[1:03:58] not do you want a report on
[1:04:02] that um
[1:04:05] Council we can put that in there I mean
[1:04:07] that's no big what and there should be a
[1:04:09] report from
[1:04:11] the presented by the council by March
[1:04:16] 30th i i i a mail with that report that
[1:04:20] we received last week when we doing
[1:04:22] budget may have mention that that report
[1:04:24] can be available every month to us well
[1:04:28] that's the city if you want a specific
[1:04:30] one performance here we do it I don't
[1:04:36] know I don't if I want it by the end of
[1:04:38] March probably go to April or May so we
[1:04:44] have some soft enforcement may we'
[1:04:47] actually started the for
[1:04:54] enforcement thank you any other question
[1:04:57] on the draft
[1:04:59] legislation the changes uh that was
[1:05:02] suggested are not to it so Mr Ryan is
[1:05:04] going to make um those
[1:05:06] changes that will be amended and then
[1:05:09] sent out to and then posted City close
[1:05:13] to
[1:05:14] the any other question on this I do see
[1:05:18] some clarity around the the the 45
[1:05:20] gallons versus the 75
[1:05:23] lb prob you go to the matter expert on
[1:05:28] that have you had a chance to look at
[1:05:32] that we we do have the 75 lbs in there
[1:05:36] and that goes back from years ago just
[1:05:37] to try and prevent injuries with the
[1:05:39] guys with the bags most of the time you
[1:05:42] know the guys going to pull the BS out
[1:05:44] the sometimes they gra out the camp and
[1:05:47] some guys want to get them quicker some
[1:05:48] guys take their time a little bit a
[1:05:50] little more safer um you know again if
[1:05:53] you're if you're doing seven bags
[1:05:56] and each bag is I don't know 15 lb or lb
[1:06:00] they all the one can it's going to
[1:06:02] exceed 75 lb okay and object is you just
[1:06:05] take the bags out of the can that's what
[1:06:06] we do now um it gets a
[1:06:09] little spicy when you put pounds in
[1:06:12] something or bags in something you know
[1:06:14] everybody you know somebody may have a
[1:06:16] lot of just light garbage it's light
[1:06:18] somebody may have a lot of heavy garbage
[1:06:19] a lot of people pick up their yards from
[1:06:22] their dogs they heavy garbage
[1:06:28] all right any other question of this all
[1:06:31] right so we have some you will receive
[1:06:34] the amended version with those um
[1:06:36] recommended changes so we need to call
[1:06:38] for a public hearing uh for November
[1:06:41] 12th council meeting motion to call for
[1:06:44] a public
[1:06:45] hearing all in favor thank you um thank
[1:06:49] you thank you
[1:06:51] [Music]
[1:06:57] the next item is a reminder amending
[1:07:00] section
[1:07:01] 15191
[1:07:03] 1382
[1:07:04] 13823
[1:07:07] 13843
[1:07:09] 15714 183 d10 to 10-14 of the city
[1:07:14] ofcity code related to the increase in
[1:07:17] set fees and adapting the building
[1:07:22] code related to the increase set Fe
[1:07:24] adoped building code administrative fee
[1:07:26] schedule person section
[1:07:28] 137-7
[1:07:30] 13821 and
[1:07:33] 1381 that one of the connected DD Cod
[1:07:37] public hearing is scheduled for October
[1:07:40] 28th this is just a
[1:07:43] reminder the public here will be on the
[1:07:45] October 28th next
[1:07:49] Monday the next item is
[1:07:51] review the 2025 proposed operating
[1:07:54] budget and capital budget for the city
[1:07:56] of conc we had a public hearing on
[1:07:59] October the
[1:08:02] 15th are there any question related to
[1:08:04] that we still have ongoing um budget um
[1:08:07] discussion will continue um this
[1:08:10] evening any question on this no question
[1:08:13] just want to be noted we did have four
[1:08:14] speakers at the public hearing okay any
[1:08:18] other
[1:08:20] comment the next item is review to amend
[1:08:25] section
[1:08:25] 124-133 and 12422 of the city connected
[1:08:29] city code increase administrative fee
[1:08:31] regarding Force alarm call we had a
[1:08:34] public Hearing in October the 15th are
[1:08:37] there any question related to this
[1:08:40] item no public hearing yes noted any
[1:08:45] question seeing none I will call for a
[1:08:48] motion to move this item
[1:08:51] forward wait one
[1:08:53] second that was the the discussion that
[1:08:56] we were still waiting to get feedback
[1:08:58] from police department on what these
[1:09:00] specifically identify for the
[1:09:03] warnings I thought we we received
[1:09:08] that for clarification purposes did we
[1:09:10] actually attribute a number to that I
[1:09:12] know we reduce the amount of warnings
[1:09:14] they would get what's the question I'm
[1:09:18] sorry
[1:09:19] please if you don't mind um Mr William
[1:09:22] just repeat the question I think we had
[1:09:24] the documents here to it
[1:09:26] from from
[1:09:28] EX four to
[1:09:30] two and then I again I got the
[1:09:33] discussion that Miss Patrick and I have
[1:09:35] were attributing like additional fees to
[1:09:37] increase the number of warnings um if
[1:09:39] Miss Patrick still
[1:09:41] isn't wanting to do that also I would
[1:09:44] want to proceed but I think it was we
[1:09:46] were going from 4 to2 which was an
[1:09:48] additional cost savings and then I can
[1:09:51] only speak for myself wanting to raise
[1:09:53] those attributing fees for like
[1:09:55] violation the second violation the third
[1:09:57] violation because as we identified the uh physical and just the opportunity
[1:10:04] cost of sending a response team has an
[1:10:06] exorbitant like Financial implication on
[1:10:08] the city so although we'll neverly
[1:10:10] approve that I at least think it's more
[1:10:14] than
[1:10:15] $25 that was the
[1:10:17] compensation so I I would love your
[1:10:19] recommendation if you have one of how to
[1:10:21] proceed but I think outside just
[1:10:22] arbitrarily just applying a a number to
[1:10:25] it I know that's where I stud I don't
[1:10:27] know laid
[1:10:32] out no there's a schedule for that laid
[1:10:35] out in the attachment 25 for first
[1:10:38] persistent 50 for the second 75 for the
[1:10:40] third 125 for each and every subsequent
[1:10:44] persistent false
[1:10:46] alarm and I think when we discuss this
[1:10:48] we looking at yes the Reven is going to
[1:10:49] go up because we're reducing it from 4
[1:10:51] to two so by having four alarm that is
[1:10:55] free now you're going to have two so
[1:10:56] you're you're increase your Revenue by
[1:10:58] two years so you would say the cost of
[1:11:00] sending two patrol cars of fire brick is
[1:11:05] $25 well I think this this this is
[1:11:08] specific to Burg alarms though perhaps
[1:11:11] I'm speaking out of terms because um
[1:11:14] speaking out of turn rather because I
[1:11:16] don't know that uh fire alarms are
[1:11:20] considered a false alarm and I should
[1:11:22] probably stop there I don't know this is
[1:11:24] just
[1:11:26] yeah but still my point is like there is
[1:11:29] a we have to send a response and that
[1:11:32] response has to be worth more than
[1:11:35] $25 and then even getting ear $25 I
[1:11:39] think if it requires three instances to
[1:11:41] get to that rate I think that is too
[1:11:43] many attempts even with the reduction to
[1:11:47] 21s I would appreciate
[1:11:50] recommendation yeah you know the
[1:11:52] officer's time certainly valuable often
[1:11:55] times times the fees would come um after
[1:11:58] hours if you will so even on the
[1:12:00] midnight shift so uh call volume is
[1:12:03] generally lower on those
[1:12:05] shifts you know we get into the argument
[1:12:08] I guess is two false alarms is not a lot
[1:12:12] especially in in a 12 month period so if
[1:12:15] you make it so drastic I guess you get
[1:12:17] into this you know the third alarm $300
[1:12:21] you know is that is that is that too
[1:12:23] much you know that's you guys who
[1:12:25] perhaps think about but I love the idea
[1:12:28] of reducing it from from four free to
[1:12:30] two free um and again is the real
[1:12:34] persistent ones that occupy a tremendous
[1:12:36] amount of our time that is annoying so
[1:12:38] an the teer system perhaps would would
[1:12:41] address that and kind of make it more
[1:12:44] Equitable for those who because they we
[1:12:46] go there maybe once you know for false
[1:12:51] alarm thank you so I lot of these might
[1:12:55] be like small businesses restaurants
[1:12:57] bars things like that that close up and
[1:12:59] something happens so um and the police
[1:13:01] you know come and check it out so I
[1:13:03] think um you know after two calls and
[1:13:06] realizing they have to pay 25 I think
[1:13:08] they're going to probably reach out to
[1:13:09] their alarm company and have them come
[1:13:11] and tweak it and make sure that
[1:13:12] everything is you know Qui aesthetic uh
[1:13:15] as far as you know triggering how these
[1:13:17] alarms are being triggered and things so
[1:13:20] um so I just wanted to add that
[1:13:29] just council members concerns we dealt
[1:13:34] with it with two false alarms but then
[1:13:35] there was a discussion I recall that there was a discussion that they're
[1:13:39] supposed to come back regarding the the
[1:13:41] fees CU right now those fees that are
[1:13:43] highlighted is 2550 75 they're
[1:13:46] highlighted but not changed because we
[1:13:48] were waiting for that number um that's
[1:13:53] so with that mind um you could table
[1:13:58] this until two weeks and and you know
[1:14:01] the effective date would still be
[1:14:02] January 1st to get that full report but
[1:14:06] it my recollection that's okay I didn't
[1:14:07] put any new numbers into that part of
[1:14:10] the the proposed ordinance because that
[1:14:12] we didn't get there was a do out from
[1:14:15] the the PD regarding additional numbers
[1:14:18] that was my
[1:14:21] recollection essentially comparing other
[1:14:23] municipalities and with their R are is
[1:14:25] that is that what we're asking for just
[1:14:27] kind of figuring it out for the first
[1:14:28] second and third right now it's 2550 and
[1:14:31] how far how far to increase those
[1:14:33] particular fees the more accurately
[1:14:35] reflect the cost of the calls right so
[1:14:38] right now they're at 2550 and 75
[1:14:41] so that was the that was the discussion
[1:14:44] and and
[1:14:47] that's that I thought Chief Whipple was
[1:14:51] doing some of that and he was out of
[1:14:53] town for few
[1:14:56] days and I thought we're going to try
[1:14:59] and have a parallel for both police and
[1:15:01] fire so that the Fe structure would be
[1:15:04] the same there
[1:15:06] are this was primarily focused on barcel
[1:15:09] with regards to the police but we can
[1:15:11] look at that also too I don't have an
[1:15:14] issue table this for two weeks and come
[1:15:15] back and then we can update the fees
[1:15:17] because I think um yes the Fe needs to
[1:15:20] be
[1:15:20] addressed so um go ahead please and I
[1:15:23] just would like to know if um when we
[1:15:25] come back in two weeks if we have should
[1:15:26] have a number of like for 20 23 number
[1:15:30] of f alarms that you that the
[1:15:33] um yeah I'm certain that Chief have had
[1:15:37] numbers those numb were provided to us
[1:15:40] we just need to go back and our
[1:15:41] documents and if not we'll ask for
[1:15:43] updated um report um so to be
[1:15:47] clear are you asking that we look to see
[1:15:50] what other municipality fees are is
[1:15:53] that no we're ask for an updated um I
[1:15:56] think the ask is for an updated report
[1:15:58] to see where we are in terms of
[1:16:00] collection 2023 collection and how many
[1:16:03] number how many how many actual false
[1:16:05] alarms did we have in 2023 do we have we
[1:16:09] have a budget number for 23 for I'm not
[1:16:13] sure that's doesn't reflect the number
[1:16:17] all right we can hold this we still have
[1:16:19] time on our side and this is going to
[1:16:22] implement um January um we may have it
[1:16:26] right
[1:16:27] here if you just want the number but
[1:16:30] again my recollection is some of the
[1:16:34] filling both the police and fire
[1:16:36] department is not absolute
[1:16:39] so really reflect what the real problem
[1:16:44] is and I always say with level of humor
[1:16:49] and also being serious is that her
[1:16:52] burglar alarms is the worst day is
[1:16:55] during a thunderstorm you get high wind
[1:16:58] stuff goes through uh the alarms trip
[1:17:01] and there's no way that we can actually
[1:17:03] follow up on
[1:17:04] each call that comes
[1:17:12] in go ahead
[1:17:15] please
[1:17:17] oh sorry I know over don't do
[1:17:22] that um we do have some num
[1:17:26] uh for 2024 as of October 2nd um bills
[1:17:31] were sent out April 22nd $35,100 a total
[1:17:36] of 70
[1:17:38] invoices uh there's another batch due
[1:17:40] out that's about 54 invoices
[1:17:46] with with an estimated total of
[1:17:49] 27,000 I'm sorry
[1:17:51] $2,750 owed uh there appears to be 438
[1:17:57] loss alarms reported by the police
[1:17:58] department this
[1:18:01] year and about and 23 as well you have
[1:18:04] uh this is sorry now this is 24 this is
[1:18:07] Year and that information is up to
[1:18:09] October 2nd I have aail of October
[1:18:15] 2nd I look at she B report confident put
[1:18:19] numbers together and what what the
[1:18:21] projected increase would be if we
[1:18:23] lowered uh the number of false alarms
[1:18:26] from from four to two so it exists I'm fairly certain of
[1:18:32] that so let's let's let's table this for
[1:18:34] two weeks and we'll come back with the
[1:18:36] updated numbers and we'll come back with
[1:18:39] a recommendation to of the um the fees
[1:18:42] from 25 50 and 75 thank you all right so
[1:18:46] we'll have this back on the agenda in
[1:18:48] two
[1:18:48] weeks the next item is
[1:18:53] um review amend section 927 of this
[1:18:57] conect city code issuing fees and
[1:18:59] charges Police Department record we had
[1:19:02] a public here another
[1:19:03] [Music]
[1:19:04] 15 do we have any question regarding
[1:19:07] this section and no speakers yeah and
[1:19:12] this this fee is going up to $40 from
[1:19:18] $20 Mr chairman if there's no amendments
[1:19:20] to this particular you can vote it at a
[1:19:22] committee and you vote it next week yes
[1:19:24] is Ario any question regarding this
[1:19:26] section I can hear what he said oh you
[1:19:29] can vote it at a committee this week and
[1:19:30] you can vote on it next week so if
[1:19:32] there's no
[1:19:33] amendments that's that's it's just that
[1:19:36] section is done by
[1:19:39] resolution no this is by
[1:19:43] ordinance I thought the Fe structur no for the some things are done by
[1:19:48] resolution this is by ordinance it's how our code is could they modify
[1:19:54] that
[1:19:56] for by resolution reduces the easy for
[1:20:00] us in the future
[1:20:07] perhaps any other question regarding
[1:20:09] this so I would I'll ask for motion to
[1:20:11] move um this item forward I'll move it
[1:20:14] second all in favor all thank you the
[1:20:18] next item is also review to amend um
[1:20:25] amend city code 41-14 C increasing dog
[1:20:28] license fee we had a public hearing on
[1:20:30] the
[1:20:31] 15th any question regarding this no
[1:20:35] speaker sh waiting for me to say
[1:20:38] [Music]
[1:20:40] it second all in favor I thank you the
[1:20:46] next item is amending section 2 48-2 the
[1:20:49] city code increasing parking violation F
[1:20:52] we had a public hearing on the 15th
[1:20:55] any question regarding this
[1:20:59] item you should have a list of the
[1:21:02] backup documents um with the old fee and
[1:21:04] the proposed new
[1:21:17] fees I guess I did have a quick question
[1:21:20] which was you know with the fire hydrant
[1:21:23] and the fire lane pass why they didn't
[1:21:26] just keep them both the same fee or you
[1:21:29] know raise both of them to the 115 just
[1:21:32] seems like it would make it easier but
[1:21:34] it's literally like $5 but I did notice
[1:21:38] that as I was reviewing it the first
[1:21:39] time there's some issues regarding this
[1:21:42] the uh the state
[1:21:44] code State the state I were I talked to
[1:21:47] the traffic folks on this and there's
[1:21:49] Cod to code vehicle and graffic code
[1:21:51] caps that we have to deal with so that's
[1:21:53] a problem
[1:21:55] that's absolutely right there uh the
[1:21:57] vehicle and traffic law does impose
[1:22:00] certain maximum fines uh for certain
[1:22:02] things other otherwise it's adopted from
[1:22:05] the council or or the city ordinance as
[1:22:07] to what we can what we can charge if
[1:22:09] it's not defined in the uh vehicle
[1:22:11] traffic law so those those areas that
[1:22:13] were uh especially like the fire lane
[1:22:17] and the the handicap parking in the fire
[1:22:20] Hy morning change but the ones that
[1:22:22] purely within our purview gotta were
[1:22:25] changed
[1:22:26] accordingly thank you any question just
[1:22:31] to know there were two other item that
[1:22:33] we discussed when we were um looking at
[1:22:35] the Fe adjustment was the modify ex
[1:22:38] exhaust and the um modified
[1:22:42] speaker and um cooperation counil
[1:22:45] looking into those two items as part of
[1:22:48] um the noise nuisance or Mr Williams is
[1:22:51] push power so those two item will
[1:22:54] address at that point in time and what
[1:22:57] we as a council can do to address those
[1:23:00] concerns and then uh for the resolution
[1:23:03] please correct me if for wrong we're
[1:23:04] going to write in uh painting the fire
[1:23:07] hydrants just to make areas more
[1:23:09] existent to people parking and then
[1:23:12] ensuring that the remaining
[1:23:14] signs are
[1:23:19] replaced I don't know if Mr chairman I
[1:23:22] don't know if you can put that in in the
[1:23:23] code itself but I would if that's
[1:23:26] something that the uh Bureau service and
[1:23:28] the fire department have to deal with u
[1:23:31] to I for for better markings I think
[1:23:33] there was discussion on sign signage
[1:23:36] regarding
[1:23:37] enforcement I think what we discussed
[1:23:39] this
[1:23:40] um once Whipple had uh made suggestion
[1:23:44] that the PD was going to look at signs
[1:23:46] and come back with a list of signs that
[1:23:48] needs to be replaced at certain areas I
[1:23:51] remember discuss I remember the
[1:23:53] discussion about that yes so they are
[1:23:55] looking at that and they come back and
[1:23:56] work with um the sign signal
[1:24:00] superintendent yeah I think there were
[1:24:02] some email back and forth about that
[1:24:03] painting The Curve too painting the
[1:24:05] curve and addressing all the signs and
[1:24:07] replacing the ones that is not visible
[1:24:10] and to update all the sence pro city as
[1:24:12] we en Force this come January and first
[1:24:16] so there's a couple months to address
[1:24:18] those
[1:24:21] concerns and yes we can follow the um if
[1:24:24] we need to to kind of find out where we
[1:24:26] are in terms of those new signs on or
[1:24:30] signs need to be
[1:24:32] replaced any other
[1:24:35] question seeing none I will motion to
[1:24:38] move this item
[1:24:40] forward second all in favor I thank you
[1:24:46] finally the next item is research
[1:24:49] analysis on employment for the city of
[1:24:51] conc last week when we were discussing our
[1:24:56] budget we talked about U management
[1:24:59] raises and the suggestion for me was to
[1:25:02] kind
[1:25:04] of across look across the board in terms
[1:25:07] of management raises and in terms of the
[1:25:09] salary um managers receiver and are we
[1:25:13] paying them are we compensating them
[1:25:16] enough for what they're doing in terms
[1:25:17] of their
[1:25:19] position the question across the table
[1:25:21] was uh we don't know so I disc
[1:25:24] discussing with the mayor last week here
[1:25:25] at the table was like to call for a
[1:25:28] study to see where we are in terms of
[1:25:30] compensation for
[1:25:32] management and the discussion was to
[1:25:35] move a resolution to kind of authorize
[1:25:39] this uh this
[1:25:41] study am I missing anything on that I
[1:25:44] think
[1:25:46] I go ahead I think we did also say that
[1:25:49] we could still move forward with our
[1:25:50] budget discussion as is and then um r
[1:25:54] return to this you know if we needed to make any adjustments or
[1:25:58] whatever that because we couldn't do the
[1:25:59] market study in time to continue our
[1:26:02] discussion that is correct yeah this
[1:26:04] will not affect our budget 2025 budget
[1:26:06] is more of a study to see where we are
[1:26:08] in terms of compensation for management
[1:26:11] yeah and that will come back to us and
[1:26:12] then we as a council will discuss that
[1:26:14] what do we
[1:26:18] do so what I would like a resolution to uh carry out this study
[1:26:27] I'll make a resolution I think we talked
[1:26:29] about the office of Human Resources
[1:26:31] asking the HR department second all in
[1:26:35] favor I thank
[1:26:37] you the next item is our continue
[1:26:40] discussion in 2025 proposed budget I
[1:26:43] would ask that we recess for respecting
[1:26:46] everyone time we recess the finance
[1:26:48] committee and we'll recall it at the end
[1:26:50] of this um committee meeting after to
[1:26:52] continue our budget discussion
[1:26:55] so motion to recess the finance
[1:26:57] committee all in favor
[1:27:01] I I'd like to call the order City
[1:27:03] development planning we have nine items
[1:27:05] on the agenda uh the first item is the
[1:27:08] discussion of sidewalk replacement em
[1:27:10] Street and MCL Street Mr Lu thank you
[1:27:13] madam president uh yes um talking about
[1:27:17] sidewalk
[1:27:18] um Mullen Street and Emon Street um
[1:27:22] individual that submit petition
[1:27:25] last year we were able to um identify
[1:27:29] and um push through with Central Parkway
[1:27:33] and now before you is the two other
[1:27:35] streets um neighborhood sorry street
[1:27:38] that we have mhm and I would like the
[1:27:40] council to um recommend that we move
[1:27:43] forward to direct the assessment office
[1:27:48] and the Law
[1:27:50] Department to review these petition
[1:27:54] and to come back to the council with any
[1:27:56] finding
[1:27:58] whatsoever so that we can able to start
[1:28:00] work with these um neighborhood
[1:28:03] leaders to identify and to put things in
[1:28:07] place so that we can get these two um
[1:28:10] Street in for the sidewalk program for
[1:28:14] 2025
[1:28:17] 2026 go ahead please do we have an
[1:28:19] updated one for Ms street I was
[1:28:22] submitted in 2010
[1:28:24] yeah we do have a couple fiction there a couple
[1:28:30] of I see streets receiv in 2023 which is
[1:28:34] great
[1:28:36] yeah there's a lot of part in terms of
[1:28:39] Adry but yes review what we have and
[1:28:42] then we can ask them for updated um in
[1:28:45] terms of if they are changing the
[1:28:46] address changing name similar to what we
[1:28:49] did in Central Parkway there people you
[1:28:51] know changing ownership so we'll have to
[1:28:53] reach out to the new owner and kind
[1:28:56] asked them for the permission to sign
[1:28:58] onto this sheet something similar we did
[1:29:01] all of us did at um Central Parkway I
[1:29:03] mean M it be it be M it would be fair
[1:29:06] for us to go back and ask them to redo
[1:29:08] all this petition they have done their job it's it's a hard process
[1:29:12] absolutely they went out there they got
[1:29:14] petition it's you know no fault of all
[1:29:17] of us that it takes so long yeah it took a while for us to address it and
[1:29:23] here we are in terms of moving forward
[1:29:25] and to address um the sidewalk program
[1:29:27] and then we'll review Mullen Street as
[1:29:29] well because it's over a year and a as
[1:29:31] well B Street will be um that is the
[1:29:34] purpose of us moving forward to address
[1:29:37] good thank you go ahead please so um as was pointed out there's so this is
[1:29:42] 2020 excuse me 2010 that this was done
[1:29:46] and um so people may have moved I know
[1:29:48] some people actually I know but some
[1:29:50] people are no longer living living
[1:29:53] period um so what is going to be the
[1:29:56] process um you did kind of mention it
[1:29:58] before about so what is going to be the
[1:30:00] process in terms of updating it are we
[1:30:02] going to use our our tax roles at this
[1:30:05] point to see if who we need to go how we
[1:30:06] going to yes correct yeah that's how um
[1:30:09] it's done so the assessor office will print out a role theti Street and
[1:30:13] then it will review by The Corporation
[1:30:15] Council that's how it's done in the past
[1:30:18] and if there if the names doesn't match
[1:30:19] here then we'll have to go back out and
[1:30:21] get the new owner to sign up
[1:30:25] if they decide to go with the program
[1:30:27] but have the community leader go back
[1:30:28] out on help to get petition updated
[1:30:31] petition for those um change in when
[1:30:35] okay so that's where we're going that's
[1:30:37] our starting place okay thank you is the
[1:30:40] same is still the same program like a
[1:30:42] doll 55 L whatever
[1:30:46] okay5
[1:30:49] was want you don't want to
[1:30:54] same program yes same program yes I
[1:30:58] put yeah so we'll need um go ahead
[1:31:03] please so in asking that question of the
[1:31:06] same program and the same cost I think
[1:31:08] we have to look at have the cost
[1:31:10] increase in order to do this and how
[1:31:13] much more it's going to cost the city
[1:31:15] and is the city going to be being are we
[1:31:17] going to absorb the additional cost if
[1:31:18] there is one and I imagine with
[1:31:20] everything going up that there is or or
[1:31:23] going to be increased in um what the
[1:31:26] homeowner has to pay I think that those
[1:31:28] are things that have to be considered as
[1:31:29] we move forward with
[1:31:35] this yeah it was one of the suggestion I
[1:31:37] made last week in terms of the the AR
[1:31:39] money that um we're we're hoping that
[1:31:42] will come back to us we can able to as a
[1:31:44] council with the mayor put some money in
[1:31:46] that program back at that point in time
[1:31:48] to see if we can help these uh these
[1:31:51] areas to address the sidewalk
[1:31:54] and yes we can address the cost at that
[1:31:56] point in time and we move forward do we amend it and change it from $55
[1:32:02] upward good suggestion and we we can
[1:32:05] address that as we move
[1:32:09] forward go ahead please I just say it's
[1:32:11] important as we've already started kind
[1:32:13] of allocating projects to this Aram
[1:32:16] dollars that we haven't even received
[1:32:17] yet I just want to make sure we're
[1:32:18] intentional with how we're prioritizing
[1:32:21] the conversations we're still going to
[1:32:23] have and hopefully an
[1:32:30] hour I'm sure would we will address that
[1:32:32] then I think there are some capital um
[1:32:35] money in the capital budget for sidewalk
[1:32:37] program still some well there was some
[1:32:39] money that was bonded for this type of
[1:32:42] uh undertaking specifically and you were
[1:32:45] not able to find the petition for
[1:32:46] Raymond Street no I can't I looked all
[1:32:49] the email and if anybody's listening if
[1:32:52] anybody who was invol in Raymond Street
[1:32:55] if you do have the petition please send
[1:32:57] it a copy to
[1:32:58] us um no uh we Serge your clerk's office
[1:33:02] the archive all the folders all the
[1:33:04] emails and I have been involved in the
[1:33:07] petition from the beginning the Calk
[1:33:09] program and I don't have a
[1:33:11] copy unfortunately so I don't know I was
[1:33:14] brought in
[1:33:17] yes so whoever is out there listening
[1:33:20] and if you have copies please reach out
[1:33:23] to any member myself myself the mayor
[1:33:25] and if you can hand deliver a copy we
[1:33:28] would be glad to receive that and add
[1:33:30] this add that remonstrate into this
[1:33:33] program so mayor you said it was already
[1:33:35] brought in do you know who brought it in
[1:33:38] at the time of no yeah we ask that
[1:33:40] question yeah because I was to go back
[1:33:42] over directly to that person yeah so
[1:33:44] maybe in in being on fairness we should
[1:33:47] again go out
[1:33:49] ourselves um people on let's find out
[1:33:53] who who let's find out who was if you
[1:33:55] know who was involved and maybe they I'm
[1:33:57] sure they will have copies and they they
[1:33:59] can they can provide a copy to us and we
[1:34:01] can add it to this
[1:34:03] program
[1:34:06] yeah so do we need to move resolution or
[1:34:09] we just no I have it's under review at
[1:34:12] this under so you just so you will just
[1:34:15] take it from there and review these
[1:34:16] streets and come back to us with your
[1:34:18] report with your report okay
[1:34:21] perfect all right
[1:34:26] thank you you're welcome the next item
[1:34:29] is ceremonial resolution recognizes
[1:34:31] musicians of Mal yes um they thank you
[1:34:35] they will be celebrating their 25th
[1:34:37] anniversary they are celebrating their
[1:34:39] 25th anniversary their season just
[1:34:41] started um so this would be a ceremonial
[1:34:44] resolution that would be given to them
[1:34:47] next
[1:34:48] week
[1:34:51] Mo oh I'll second it all those in
[1:34:55] favor uh the next item is reminder uh
[1:34:58] establishing a temporary moratorium on
[1:35:00] the submission and processing of
[1:35:01] building permits certificates of
[1:35:03] occupancy certificates of use and land
[1:35:05] use approvals of cannabis established as
[1:35:09] the city council considers changes to
[1:35:10] chapter
[1:35:12] 264 um public hearing will be held on
[1:35:15] but that date can't be correct it's 1021
[1:35:22] 1028 Madam president um if I can just
[1:35:24] speak a moment on that real quick goe uh
[1:35:28] I in your packets this week is the
[1:35:30] ordinance that's that's the moratorium
[1:35:33] ordinance it's modeled after the Vape
[1:35:35] Shop ordinance that uh you passed
[1:35:37] earlier this year um you'll notice that
[1:35:40] there's uh additional definitions put in
[1:35:42] there for cannabis establishment micro
[1:35:45] business on-site consumptions so it's prospectively looking ahead as to
[1:35:51] the various licenses that may come come
[1:35:53] our way so when we're doing the review
[1:35:57] uh of the uh the zoning code we'll be
[1:36:00] looking at those definitions and uh uh
[1:36:03] and
[1:36:05] uh that at some point that'll be
[1:36:07] incorporated into our zoning code um not
[1:36:11] already done some of those are already
[1:36:13] in the code from as you remember from
[1:36:15] back in the Vape but some of those are
[1:36:17] not like onsite consumption and micro
[1:36:19] business for example and uh
[1:36:24] so um if there's anything as we begin
[1:36:27] this process I've had discussions with
[1:36:28] the the planners in development about
[1:36:31] the the way ahead here if you have
[1:36:34] any areas that you would like to see
[1:36:36] these not see these uh by way of review
[1:36:39] real quick um the uh vape shops are in
[1:36:42] the industrial zones M1 M2 and the
[1:36:45] commercial zones
[1:36:48] uh C4 and C5 um which is downtown and
[1:36:52] the Upper State Street commercial
[1:36:55] Corridor
[1:36:57] um if you want you always looking to
[1:37:00] expand some of these establishments in
[1:37:02] the C3 Waterfront District which is the
[1:37:05] harbor area um that area that Waterfront
[1:37:08] development District I'm just throwing
[1:37:10] that out there I'm not saying anything
[1:37:12] one way or the other but um what areas
[1:37:17] you would want that like as I said C4
[1:37:19] and C5 vape shops M1 and M2 vape shops
[1:37:22] if you want to have these in those areas
[1:37:24] or you want to have them some other
[1:37:26] areas depending on the type of
[1:37:28] establishment based on their
[1:37:30] definitions um please send me you know
[1:37:34] as as a group send each other an email
[1:37:37] to me and so we can take your concerns
[1:37:41] as we start drafting this and at some
[1:37:43] point
[1:37:44] probably um November December get some
[1:37:48] sort of working draft ordinance for you
[1:37:50] to take a look at um start working on
[1:37:55] that this uh this will this ordinance
[1:37:58] will take effect on November uh your
[1:38:01] next meeting is the 12th so it would be
[1:38:04] the next day which would be November
[1:38:06] 13th and would go into February uh 11th
[1:38:10] February 11th which is approximately 90
[1:38:14] days so so it's a day certain so
[1:38:17] everybody knows nobody's counting days
[1:38:19] on calendars or anything like that it
[1:38:21] says when when it's going to expire
[1:38:24] good so I just wanted to throw that out
[1:38:27] there for you on that point um and if I
[1:38:31] can go on to the next one the the if I
[1:38:33] can what's the next one meeting the the
[1:38:36] uh the comment period for that location
[1:38:40] on Broadway um so no okay okay just I
[1:38:46] want I want to just say a couple things
[1:38:47] about this one we kind of have this
[1:38:50] discussion I just want to make sure
[1:38:51] there's Clarity for individual ual who
[1:38:53] will already have their license by the
[1:38:56] state of New York right are they will
[1:39:00] they be impacted by
[1:39:01] this I know that there's some people who
[1:39:04] don't have their license but have
[1:39:05] submitted to us for our
[1:39:07] location and what would the difference is what we can control is
[1:39:13] pursuant to the ordinance is that if
[1:39:16] they have filed paperwork for a
[1:39:18] certificate of use or site plan Etc by
[1:39:23] our start date of
[1:39:25] November uh
[1:39:27] 12th then we have to proceed with that
[1:39:31] okay we have to proceed with that
[1:39:32] because they got their uh requests in
[1:39:36] before the moror okay so they may still
[1:39:39] be working with our working with the
[1:39:42] Office of cabis Management but they have
[1:39:44] submitted that um request for site plan
[1:39:47] certificate of use any of those listed
[1:39:50] uh items under the uh moratorium then we
[1:39:54] have to process that all the way through
[1:39:56] oh okay and um the other thing we as we
[1:39:59] had had this discussion before you said
[1:40:01] that you're going to be looking to ocm
[1:40:03] the office of cannabis management to
[1:40:05] make sure that what we're doing here is
[1:40:07] not outside of what we are allowed to do
[1:40:10] based on what their guidelines are that
[1:40:11] that's that's correct and we got to you
[1:40:13] know there's as you know there's certain
[1:40:15] distances that they have put into the
[1:40:18] regulations those are the regulations
[1:40:20] and that's what we got to do um the Town
[1:40:23] of Babylon as you know that was our Vape
[1:40:25] Shop model um they had a uh they had
[1:40:28] conversations with the office of
[1:40:30] cannabis management and they had a uh
[1:40:33] they U set
[1:40:35] a a uh a distance of 750 ft from a
[1:40:40] residential district that the office of
[1:40:43] cannabis management was okay with so
[1:40:45] just putting that out for an example so
[1:40:49] as we go through this and as we really
[1:40:52] get into the uh the details of what we need to do um
[1:40:57] we'll give you the uh uh updates and
[1:41:01] then if necessary reach out to office
[1:41:04] Canabis management for for guidance on those issues but I'm just that was
[1:41:09] something that another municipality did
[1:41:12] in in in in working up their
[1:41:15] code other any more any other questions
[1:41:18] regarding this
[1:41:20] item okay so we'll have that public
[1:41:22] hearing on the
[1:41:23] 28th uh the next item is discussion of
[1:41:26] ocm 30-day notice for 10 excuse me 1708
[1:41:30] Broadway okay there we go um as part of
[1:41:34] the application process under rule 11
[1:41:37] 19.3 um as part of the application
[1:41:40] process that goes before the office of
[1:41:42] cannabis management and the Bureau of
[1:41:45] can Bureau of cannabis control um the
[1:41:49] municipalities is afforded an
[1:41:50] opportunity to weigh in on a particular
[1:41:52] location
[1:41:54] um we have a 30-day this was filed last
[1:41:56] week this is a location
[1:42:00] uh on Broadway I believe it's the it's
[1:42:03] the Old Key Bank building on the top of
[1:42:07] uh Broadway so that just to be an idea
[1:42:12] um we have we the city as 30 days you
[1:42:15] have take a look at it if you have any
[1:42:18] questions concerns comments Etc um we
[1:42:22] can
[1:42:23] we when I'm saying we the Law Department
[1:42:26] can funnel those questions uh to the
[1:42:31] Office of candidas Management for their
[1:42:34] review and uh and uh if they have we
[1:42:38] have any concerns regarding that
[1:42:40] location then as part of the review
[1:42:43] process at their level they have to
[1:42:45] address our
[1:42:47] concerns so um right now there'll be
[1:42:50] Friday the 15th of November is the
[1:42:53] 30-day deadline so I would you if you
[1:42:56] have any issues concerns um we can check
[1:42:59] back here in a couple of weeks if if you
[1:43:01] want to discuss this
[1:43:04] um in further detail if you've thought
[1:43:07] about you know whatever your concerns
[1:43:09] are and then we'll make sure we'll get
[1:43:11] those to the uh cannabis management uh
[1:43:14] agency before the
[1:43:18] 15th so in in terms of municipality U
[1:43:21] replying that does not take into we
[1:43:24] don't we don't have to do anything by
[1:43:25] asking the public we don't have to get
[1:43:27] public just say this is the way they
[1:43:29] view this is know as a 30-day comment
[1:43:33] period from the community board or for
[1:43:36] the from the government so this is
[1:43:38] purely a uh uh as the policy makers for
[1:43:42] the
[1:43:43] city giving that process so it's a very
[1:43:46] short window um so uh so whatever
[1:43:51] concerns you have as a group yes I don't
[1:43:55] recall that happening um with the
[1:43:57] opening of the one on State Street well
[1:44:00] that they that was I'm just is this no
[1:44:03] that was that was
[1:44:06] actually well on its way you because but
[1:44:11] I think as as we go through this process
[1:44:14] mward we're we're moving forward that
[1:44:16] this is this the clerk gets it it's
[1:44:19] distributed it's 30-day period so I
[1:44:21] think um as the role out of this process
[1:44:24] has gone through um I think that uh um I
[1:44:29] think going forward will be a better way
[1:44:31] of
[1:44:33] having okay but that that was a
[1:44:37] uh that was moving along and I think we
[1:44:40] got something maybe in July at that
[1:44:42] point and uh so but that was
[1:44:47] already
[1:44:49] processed so so I think I think from
[1:44:52] both local level as well as the state
[1:44:55] level we're getting in the
[1:44:59] syn you're right Mr T that wasn't it
[1:45:02] didn't it didn't go through this process
[1:45:03] and although I just want to be clear
[1:45:05] that we all of those things were
[1:45:07] received in the Law Department in terms
[1:45:09] of yeah and we rolled that out we did
[1:45:11] roll that out too and we got to July one
[1:45:14] I your pardon we rolled that out to July
[1:45:16] one but it was already as you know that
[1:45:20] was well on its
[1:45:21] way that because the idea is that these
[1:45:25] notifications are to be on the front end
[1:45:28] like this one we're dealing with right
[1:45:30] now whereas the one on for example the
[1:45:33] one on Union Street was on the uh was
[1:45:37] well well long before and we got it in
[1:45:41] July so in terms of that that one in in
[1:45:45] 501 State
[1:45:46] Street because dasne was in involved the
[1:45:49] dormatory authority was involved with
[1:45:51] that
[1:45:53] is that why they had the opportunity to
[1:45:55] just wait so long don't I don't know
[1:45:57] okay I don't know okay I would
[1:46:03] spe but we righted and going forward
[1:46:06] we'll follow the C procedure okay we're
[1:46:09] good all
[1:46:10] right any other questions from this item
[1:46:14] no okay thank you uh the final five
[1:46:18] items um are all for
[1:46:21] um executive session is for property
[1:46:24] sales so I would ask for a motion to
[1:46:26] reset City de City development
[1:46:29] planning second all those in favor we're
[1:46:32] recess thank
[1:46:35] you so I'd like to call to order of the
[1:46:38] claims committee we have two items on
[1:46:39] the agenda tonight both items need to be
[1:46:41] discussed in executive session so we
[1:46:43] have a motion to enter executive session
[1:46:46] so second all in
[1:46:49] favor we are now executive session
[1:46:52] public M Mr chairman I think perhaps
[1:46:55] this point of order um uh you want to
[1:46:58] hold off on that until after you have
[1:47:00] your budget hearings or I'll you or you
[1:47:03] want to do the claims now no no we'll do
[1:47:08] and then we'll go the okay very thank
[1:47:17] you yeah I think well they have to shut
[1:47:20] it down over there so we
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