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should have organized as city

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council thank you

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okay this

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is no I got

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it I'd like to call the order this

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connect the city council committee

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meeting for Monday December 16 2024 and

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we'll start with a presentation by uh Mr

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thank

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you good evening uh so we are here today

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to discuss uh this connected areawide

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speed limit study uh it is a study that

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we've been talking about for quite some

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time um uh at the request of the council

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to lower the speed limit in the city to

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25 M hour um working in cooperation as

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we talked about with the Capital Region

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Transportation Council uh under the Safe

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Streets for all Grant they secure uh

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consultant um representative of the

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consultant is here uh Matthew row uh

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with Stant Tech Engineers uh he's going

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to run through uh the presentation

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tonight which uh mimics the uh draft

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presentation that we have and then we

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can provide you with uh just an overall

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synopsis of where we are and what we're

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looking forward to going forward so I'll

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give it to Ma

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thanks Chris um hi everyone again I'm

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Matthew row at stanch and it's great to

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be here today it's my first time before

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being asked connected to see the council

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or it's committees um so um I uh I'm

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going to talk just a little bit about

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speed limits in general I'm going to

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talk about um some of the changes that

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have happened in the way that speed

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limits were set in the United States and

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some of the options that we have um and

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why that matters for connected first I'm

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going to just show the what I think is

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the the most important item here which

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is summary of our actual

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recommendations um uh so we did a study

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of uh of SKC streets focusing on three

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categories of streets um streets that

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are primarily local streets that are in

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a kind of a midlevel category and

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streets that primarily have a through

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function um and I'll I'll get into that

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a little bit later but the very short

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version is that we're recommending a 25

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M hour Citywide speed limit um that'll

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affect all City All City maintained

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streets won't affect any state

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maintained streets so uh that includes

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things like um the cross town connector

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New York 7 uh won't be affected um and

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we're also uh recommending just a few

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specific exceptions that'll make the um

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that'll either make the um the speed

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limit more coherent on a particular

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Corridor or is just more appropriate for

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that particular Street So Max and Road

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Extension would remain 30 mph um Eerie

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Boulevard South of State Street would

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remain 30 m hour um State Street East of

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Fair Avenue um from Fair Avenue to the

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city line is currently 35 mph signed for

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35 mph and that would be changed to 30

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rather than to 25 but the rest of State

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Street would be changed to 25 milph and

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Millard Street which is um very uh which

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is just a a few blocks long um and

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connects Broadway to verer um verer is

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this exception because the state owned

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um so Millard Street would remain 30 for

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consistency and

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coherence

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um one of the exciting things is that um

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skinc would be only the second City in

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the region um to uh adopt a 25 mph limit

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um Albany has been um in the process of

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uh of doing so uh Kingston recently

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adopted its 25 mph limit um and the town

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of Brighton uh near uh Rochester ter

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town and new relle Villages um in uh

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down state um adopted 25 mph speed

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limits cities in New York state are

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allowed to do this and villages in New

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York state are allowed to do this after

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study

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um um we all know that speed kills but I

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want to note that um there's an

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exponential increase um because what we

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talk about when we're talking about

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speed is force quadrupling when speed

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doubles so when hit at 23 mph 90% of

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people survive hit at 32 mph only 75% of

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people survive we want to increase our

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odds um our goal is Zero fatalities or

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serious injuries on our streets um and

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if we're going to do that we need to get

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serious about speed um stopping distance

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also increases exponentially and what I

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don't have um is a uh uh is a diagram of

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driver's cone of vision but the driver's

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cone Vision Narrows as speed increases

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it's just a natural thing when we're

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driving faster we can't see um we have

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we can't see to the sides as easily and

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we can't as easily detect people walking

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people biking other cars um so lowering

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speed on a city street makes a ton of

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sense from an engineering perspective

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and that's the bottom line um speed

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limit Studies have changed over time uh

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in um uh in the past there was Federal

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guidance and even Federal standard

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that said you have to study the free

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flow speed of traffic and you have to

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base your you should base your decisions

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on it um so there guidance that you

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should base your decisions on a standard

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that you had to study the free flow

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speed of traffic and the guidance was

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well the third fastest car out of 20 the

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85th percentile speed which you may have

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heard that 85% P speed before um so that

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is one of the reasons that speed limits

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times have ratcheted up over time and

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that leaves us in a situation where it's

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only the Speeders who are determining

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the speed limit we don't want that to be

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our our situation um the new federal

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manual it's called the manual and

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uniform traffic control devices the mecd

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the new federal manual says you have to

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study the context of the street so in

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this case an urban context um our study

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area span from what would be uh what's

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nationally considered uh um Urban core

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all the way to what's nationally

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considered uh Suburban but there's very

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little um that's mostly um Urban core

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and urban

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um uh I um uh we based the approach to

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this uh study on the nacto city limits

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guide uh which I was actually a

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co-author of um and the fundamental

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concept is that you've got a default

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speed limit um that helps drivers

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because it's consistent it's something

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that they can expect and that then you

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have specific C or speed limits and you

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might even have some slow zones now we

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don't have the ability to set larger

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zones uh below 25 mph except at schools

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um and so that's where slow zones are um

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the idea is the more conflicts there are

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and the more activity there is the lower

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be and on most streets in connect

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there's a fairly high conflict density

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and that's everything from driveways to

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people crossing the street to um uh to

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uh driers pulling in and out of parking

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spaces um and there varying activity

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levels so you end up with a matrix I

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think the most important thing to take

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away from this is that um the national

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guidance is now actually going further

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than we can go tonight right we um we

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can't set a 20 M hour speed limit um

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under state law but National guidance is

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now saying actually a lot of SKC streets

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the local streets would be appropriate

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for 20 M

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PRS um based on their level of conflict

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and activity um

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so we did the study based on something

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called functional class or starting on

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it um Contex was the main thing but we

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did um um we did uh analyze streets

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based on um essentially their role in

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the transportation Network um but

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functional class does not tell you

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anything about context so we looked at

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um so Wyoming streets Wyoming AB is an

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example of a what we're calling a group

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one street a local Street um

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recommendation 25 M hour sement hullet

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street is another good example so

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different contexts but similarly low

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volume uh low existing speed

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streets um group two is where uh it gets

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a little more interesting we have

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streets like not street or Almont Avenue

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where they might be one lane each way um

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they might have more like 6,000 or

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10,000 cars per day but their existing

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speeds are in the case of um not Street

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uh the existing speeds were the median

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speeds were 29

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mph um and uh while they may be higher

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on alamon Avenue they may be uh it might

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not be appropriate to have a higher

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speed limit in part because there are

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blocks like the ones that you see here

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where uh there isn't uh sufficient room

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even for designated Lanes in each

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Direction um there's one exception in

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this group which is Max and Road

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Extension um because uh it's as I

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mentioned before because it's a um it's

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the continuation of Erie Boulevard a

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state-owned portion of Erie Boulevard

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that has a 40 m hour speed limit and

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because of its context and because it

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actually has a great deal of separation

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of modes by and pedestrians have the

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option of being on the shared Ed path um

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Max and Road Extension um for most of

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its extent so that was one reason we

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were comfortable retaining a 30 m per

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hour speed right there um another Street

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uh in uh in the next category um State

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Street is officially classified as an

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arterial street but we're still

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recommending a 25 M hour to limit on

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most of it based on its context um we

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all know we all know State Street we all

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know what it's like we all know that

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it's one of the busiest places in the

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city um and that includes the section

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from not terrorist to Fair Avenue where

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we have our busiest bus route and we

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have um controlled and uncontrolled

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Crossings places where you're allowed to

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cross the street uh without a signal um

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so these are places where we want to

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really protect people and we want to

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have that um 25 M per spe perit further

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east there are fewer Crossings like that

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there are fewer Crossing points like

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that though Crossings do happen but we

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want to reduce the speed limit um to

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protect people who are um walking biking

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taking the bus driving uh turning left

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off of State Street or on to it um and

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uh for that reason we're we're

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recommending a 5 mph reduction of the

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speed limit um but it is um all it is

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part of the um consider a long haul for

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CDTA and there's value and retain 30 m

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hour speed there um for Erie Boulevard

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the recommendation was to um to keep it

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30 m hour on the medium divided portion

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of Erie Boulevard which is south of

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State Street um but to lower it to 25

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mil per hour between State Street and

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not Street between State Street and the

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roundabout um and this may start just

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before State Street it could start at

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State Street or just after State Street

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um but the uh the roundabout provides a

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good transition from the 40 m hour uh SE

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State own segment to the uh more uh to

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the city owned segment um so thanks I

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can questions and I'll go back to the

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begin just point out that's what we were

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saying with the the map was uh Mard

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Avenue between beer and Broadway just

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today uh Matthew and I were talking

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about this that's why we revised it is

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having this map on the screen is useful

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because what it shows is many people

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don't realize it but beer Avenue in

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front of the fire station the county

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jail and the county buildings that is

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state controled so we do not have the

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authority to change that to 25 similarly

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to Broadway we do not have the authority

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to change Broadway between uh um where

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was it Edison and uh Weaver essentially

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um so to leave Mard the hill uh at 25 I

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think that would create confusion for

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motorists um and it is I know it is

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residential but there's only residents

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on the one side there is a sidewalk so I

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think from an enforcement from a signage

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perspective to leave that particular

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corridor from Albany Street to 890 till

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when the state ends s30 so that was we

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were able to get it updated on the

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presentation but we weren't able to

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update it in your packet because we just

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talked about it today while we were

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getting ready for this meeting um and

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then the other spot that you know I'm

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really uh really happy with Matthew when

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working with Carri it's here from our

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Capital Region Transportation Council

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she walked in uh she's been a great

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partner in this um I think that the

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study and the recommendations are are

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pretty straightforward and clear and

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they line up with what I talked about

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earlier the only area that I think there

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is a little Nuance in discussing is Erie

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Boulevard from State Street to the round

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about um because of what we have there

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uh to what Matthew was talking about the

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maxim Road Max Road similarly to areas

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you're coming into the city on Aqueduct

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Road in Nuna that's a 45 mph Road and

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then you come into the City and Maxon

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road is a commercial Corridor it has

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essentially no residential on it and the

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point you make about having separated

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bike pet infrastructure is is good um

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because I think that shows that there is

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the accommodations there so I think to

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bring that to 25 wasn't really um

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necessary and then when you hit Eerie

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you're at 40 so you know it's 30 I think

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we leave it but that section of Erie

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bouard is the one that I think we've

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been seeing um over the last 5 years

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that section transform from commercial

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into residential um we've seen multiple

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apartment buildings we have one being

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built now and so I think that

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25 is is appropriate but I could also be

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persuaded that the use of that being 30

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from 40 um and and being there we do

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have lots of Crossings and uh new

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signals we just upgraded the signals

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we're really trying to focus on

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pedestrian accommodations there so if

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there was one little bit of fat in the

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report to chew on I would say that

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particular Corridor would be it so other

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than that that is that's the report that

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are our recommendations I believe this

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is a call for public hearing um we can

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make the revised report uh public we can

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make the presentation which mimics it

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public for the information and then the

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public hearing would be Sean uh the the

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13th of January yes and then I pass out

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a draft to the council members regarding

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the the ordinance and uh that would be

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uh that could be part of the public

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hearing as well so he' be uh supporting

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materials plus the draft

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okay so I did my first question you were

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actually already addressed what was

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going to be available for the public

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hearing um the other one you me

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mentioned elamont Avenue and speed limit

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there to be lower to 25 so does el

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elamont doesn't that cross into

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reram and so at what point does that

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become and what is the speed limit on

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that part it's 30 at the city of line

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okay um and it may think it increases

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soon after that but um but it would be

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it would be 25 miles per hour up to the

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SK City Line up to up to the roer line

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okay yeah we we just don't have

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jurisdiction beyond that actually so

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that then that leads me to my other

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question in regarding the signage

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because now you're going from probably

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within a block not even a block you're

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going from 25 to 30 so and probably

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something maybe you need to still be

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working on as a signage already been

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figured out so the people are aware that

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within this block he want 25 to 30 or in

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not even just here but every any place

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that the can occur yeah at the at the

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transitions at the City Line um there's

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a typical sign that's used it's um it's

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the city speed limit sign so it would

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say 25 City speed limit um that's the

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same sign that all the using um and

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there's

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um there's other uh options but that's

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the primary

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recommendation and glad you brought up B

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because I read the article um regarding

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what what people's reactions were

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towards that did you have anything to do

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with the AL no all right so um and I

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just need a little bit more clarity on

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the Area Boulevard piece about the Maxon

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Road Area Boulevard so south of State

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Street south of State going towards 890

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would be

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25 no okay would be 30 right yeah so

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right now the only recommended area on

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hurry Boulevard to to remain 30 is what

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we're calling the boulevard section

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State Street to 890 with essentially

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functions as the offramp and the

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entryway into the city it's Boulevard it

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is not the same character as the rest of

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the Street then the recommendation is

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given the changing character of the

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remaining portion of area with the

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residential and some of the you know

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comments that we've gotten from The

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Stockade residents in walking that um

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even though that Eerie Boulevard is

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essentially the most commercial Corridor

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we have with the highest volumes uh that

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that section be brought down to 25 miles

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proper okay thank you

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anybody else have any

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questions um in terms of the public

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information campaign um which you know

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you talk about in here

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um how much time do you think we need

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for something like that um in terms of

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how long should we give it uh to be able

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to make sure that we're um appropriately

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giving people enough time to understand

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what the changes are going to be about

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for the public hearing or for the

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enforcement for for the for the public

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information

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like so PSAs you know that we're doing

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in that way I do also want to know about

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enforcement in terms of whether we're

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going to be able to have appropriate

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enforcement once this goes into effect

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as well would be another question that I

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have one

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recommendation one recommendation would

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be uh to have the the PSAs and other and

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multimedia campaigns happen over a

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period of about 6 weeks um and that

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doesn't mean that the speed limit can't

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change uh in that time right so if you

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if you know you you have the public

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hearing and you decide to move forward

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and you've got the um you've got a date

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set and Chris and his Crews can um uh

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can do their work um uh which will take

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them some time um you know at that point

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that can be your speed limit start date

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your PSA can start while you're doing

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that um uh while the while the speed

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limit signs are going up and you can

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also start you can start the the the

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full transition then but the PSA can

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continue so 6 weeks isn't like it isn't

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like oh you you have to wait that time

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before putting up the signs it's not

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like that I would wait before um I would

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have a warning period um for enforcement

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that is something

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iend um and that could be that same six

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we period uh where drivers are GI are

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given warnings instead of

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citations but that's just a that would

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add to the police department and I also

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um I think that we it's not a lot of

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signage that has to get changed I think

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that's important to point out um because

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we had heard that concern you know we're

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going to have to like you know spend a

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lot of money and change a lot of signs

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but it's clear that it's not a lot of

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sign signage that has to get changed

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correct I mean Brian's here you know he

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we've had these discussions um we we

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think that this is a you know manageable

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task now that we've had our hand our

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head around it um you know Brian's

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prepared he's already talked with his

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his uh in-house Crews about it and what

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the undertaking is you know some of

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these areas yes the signage has to be

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broughten up because you're going to

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have areas that weren't 30 to 25 there's

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going to be some transition areas so

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those have to be thought out but as you

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see there's five transition areas one

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two four transition areas so it's not

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it's not terrible we have the 30 m per

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hour signs up so you would leave those

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and maybe move a couple um I I can't

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speak for enforcement we really haven't

501
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had a a coordination meeting I've really

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focused on trying to get the report

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together and a lot of these things so

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the details of of the of the the roll

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out I I don't have um but I wanted to

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make sure I got this report in front of

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you with the

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recommendations any other

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questions yeah when we looking at a high

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conf to the area

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Street what would if anything U how

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would it impact chaining indust street

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from two way to one

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way would that impact it at

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all

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SRE when you're looking at a

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high yeah um so one ways are oneway

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conversions are a uh

519
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are I I'll I'll answer this in the

520
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planner the plannerly way which is that

521
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there's pros and cons um the pro is that

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you do a oneway conversion you can

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sometimes create space for other uses

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right because instead of having two

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lanes or vehicle traffic one in each

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Direction you could just have one lane

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um because that one lane does actually

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carry more than than it's half of the

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street used to carry right so um you've

530
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got the ability to sort of create space

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on your street by doing that I think

532
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that that's that would be a reason to do

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it uh a reason not to is if the um if

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it's to uh if you're converting a street

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from two-way to one way and what you end

536
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up with is two oneway lanes two lanes in

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the same direction that tends to

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increase speeds um and you can get you

539
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can get some very high speed in that

540
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case get the jockey for position and all

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that you get with mul

542
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Street good

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question may the other side of the job

544
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is when you go to oneway Street what do

545
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you do with the traffic you're de biring

546
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off is to make sure you've got a place

547
00:25:44,080 --> 00:25:50,919
that adequately funel it to not create a

548
00:25:47,640 --> 00:25:50,919
problem someplace else

549
00:25:51,279 --> 00:25:56,200
yeah any your hand up I'll just say that

550
00:25:54,840 --> 00:25:58,760
um I mean unless somebody has any

551
00:25:56,200 --> 00:26:01,080
questions I mean I appreciate the

552
00:25:58,760 --> 00:26:03,640
um being done um I I think it's really

553
00:26:01,080 --> 00:26:05,919
great that we have this data now um to

554
00:26:03,640 --> 00:26:08,679
kind of justify the change in the speed

555
00:26:05,919 --> 00:26:10,679
limit um I really appreciate that I

556
00:26:08,679 --> 00:26:12,720
think obviously you know first and

557
00:26:10,679 --> 00:26:15,240
foremost is the safety of the

558
00:26:12,720 --> 00:26:17,120
pedestrians and the drivers so you know

559
00:26:15,240 --> 00:26:19,760
I I think that's a really strong reason

560
00:26:17,120 --> 00:26:21,880
to to move forward with this um and I

561
00:26:19,760 --> 00:26:24,440
also just wanted to say that I have

562
00:26:21,880 --> 00:26:26,720
still continued uh the conversation with

563
00:26:24,440 --> 00:26:28,520
triaa so there will be an announcement

564
00:26:26,720 --> 00:26:30,880
soon about you know having some sort of

565
00:26:28,520 --> 00:26:32,720
an incentive for folks to um take the

566
00:26:30,880 --> 00:26:34,279
defensive driving class in addition to

567
00:26:32,720 --> 00:26:36,279
the discount that people get once they

568
00:26:34,279 --> 00:26:37,760
take the defensive driving and I hope to

569
00:26:36,279 --> 00:26:40,679
be able to talk about that at our next

570
00:26:37,760 --> 00:26:42,360
committee meeting in more specific I

571
00:26:40,679 --> 00:26:43,760
don't want to put any Adam Bri you have

572
00:26:42,360 --> 00:26:46,200
any comments on what this would be

573
00:26:43,760 --> 00:26:48,480
anything that they should rolling out

574
00:26:46,200 --> 00:26:50,320
this program no as far as enforcement is

575
00:26:48,480 --> 00:26:52,480
concerned we enforce a 30 we can enforce

576
00:26:50,320 --> 00:26:52,480
at

577
00:26:52,679 --> 00:26:56,480
25

578
00:26:54,200 --> 00:26:58,640
so

579
00:26:56,480 --> 00:26:59,679
easy so yeah well thank thank you both

580
00:26:58,640 --> 00:27:01,520
again for the presentation for the

581
00:26:59,679 --> 00:27:03,640
update I know it took a while to get us

582
00:27:01,520 --> 00:27:05,200
here but we are here so I want you to

583
00:27:03,640 --> 00:27:07,679
know that app yeah I would think the

584
00:27:05,200 --> 00:27:10,360
next uh conversation where we get maybe

585
00:27:07,679 --> 00:27:12,399
a little bit more into details of roll

586
00:27:10,360 --> 00:27:14,320
out some of those things are going to be

587
00:27:12,399 --> 00:27:16,200
the committee meeting after the public

588
00:27:14,320 --> 00:27:18,480
hearing so that we're going to hear from

589
00:27:16,200 --> 00:27:20,200
the public um you know I I would like to

590
00:27:18,480 --> 00:27:21,679
leave this report in draft form we're

591
00:27:20,200 --> 00:27:23,720
already like I said we just changed it

592
00:27:21,679 --> 00:27:25,600
today after we reviewed it see what

593
00:27:23,720 --> 00:27:27,520
people's opinions are of the report see

594
00:27:25,600 --> 00:27:29,080
what we're hearing from the community

595
00:27:27,520 --> 00:27:32,720
and then we can discuss it at the next

596
00:27:29,080 --> 00:27:35,799
time and at that point um you know I'll

597
00:27:32,720 --> 00:27:38,080
I'll work with Adam and maybe even uh

598
00:27:35,799 --> 00:27:39,600
Carrie and Matthew about what the kind

599
00:27:38,080 --> 00:27:42,039
of roll outs are in the area you know

600
00:27:39,600 --> 00:27:43,559
I've worked on campaigns with the DMV

601
00:27:42,039 --> 00:27:45,440
and Department of Health and places uh

602
00:27:43,559 --> 00:27:47,919
for Statewide rollout campaigns to see

603
00:27:45,440 --> 00:27:50,799
what we want to do um because I mean at

604
00:27:47,919 --> 00:27:53,120
the end of the day this isn't a you know

605
00:27:50,799 --> 00:27:55,519
this isn't about tax revenue and making

606
00:27:53,120 --> 00:27:57,880
tickets this is about safety so we just

607
00:27:55,519 --> 00:28:00,760
want people to drive slower that's what

608
00:27:57,880 --> 00:28:01,760
we're trying to do um so I think that's

609
00:28:00,760 --> 00:28:04,000
I think that's the next time that we

610
00:28:01,760 --> 00:28:06,159
want to talk about it all right thank

611
00:28:04,000 --> 00:28:08,799
you great thank you so much so we will

612
00:28:06,159 --> 00:28:12,399
take up the vote and public sa okay

613
00:28:08,799 --> 00:28:12,399
thanks a lot thank you much thank

614
00:28:14,679 --> 00:28:19,440
you next we'll have the finance

615
00:28:17,159 --> 00:28:22,679
committee yes I'd like to call Finance

616
00:28:19,440 --> 00:28:26,360
to order um we have six items on the

617
00:28:22,679 --> 00:28:29,080
agenda the first item is um and this is

618
00:28:26,360 --> 00:28:30,640
in place of chairperson um L Baron who

619
00:28:29,080 --> 00:28:33,000
couldn't be with us tonight but the

620
00:28:30,640 --> 00:28:34,720
first item is an ARA update and so I'd

621
00:28:33,000 --> 00:28:37,600
like to ask Miss Carver to please come

622
00:28:34,720 --> 00:28:37,600
up for

623
00:28:40,159 --> 00:28:48,399
that good evening good

624
00:28:43,399 --> 00:28:50,679
evening so I have a high level arpa

625
00:28:48,399 --> 00:28:53,960
update um for you since the last time we

626
00:28:50,679 --> 00:28:56,720
met we have gone um into contract with

627
00:28:53,960 --> 00:28:58,640
du Community Foundation so I'm happy to

628
00:28:56,720 --> 00:29:02,320
report that all

629
00:28:58,640 --> 00:29:05,480
arpa projects under development are have

630
00:29:02,320 --> 00:29:07,000
fully executed contracts um we are

631
00:29:05,480 --> 00:29:10,519
working

632
00:29:07,000 --> 00:29:12,760
internally um to narrow down some of the

633
00:29:10,519 --> 00:29:15,880
recommendations that I made to finance

634
00:29:12,760 --> 00:29:19,399
and City Council on um possible

635
00:29:15,880 --> 00:29:22,760
reallocation of oura funding um I hope

636
00:29:19,399 --> 00:29:24,559
to have a final uh list recommendation

637
00:29:22,760 --> 00:29:27,120
to provide to city council by the next

638
00:29:24,559 --> 00:29:29,919
meeting um we're meeting internally so

639
00:29:27,120 --> 00:29:35,440
I'll have the final decision after that

640
00:29:29,919 --> 00:29:37,120
up in consideration one um I don't know

641
00:29:35,440 --> 00:29:40,519
I just felt like I wanted to sing a song

642
00:29:37,120 --> 00:29:43,000
I'm sorry I'm just joking one uh sub

643
00:29:40,519 --> 00:29:44,960
recipient BC and I has stated that they

644
00:29:43,000 --> 00:29:47,000
are having some challenges with spending

645
00:29:44,960 --> 00:29:49,519
that money down which they did report

646
00:29:47,000 --> 00:29:51,120
that at their um when they came and did

647
00:29:49,519 --> 00:29:53,720
their presentation with city council so

648
00:29:51,120 --> 00:29:57,399
that's going to leave roughly about

649
00:29:53,720 --> 00:29:59,440
$220,000 back from bcni the other um one

650
00:29:57,399 --> 00:30:01,799
that is in discussion that we have not

651
00:29:59,440 --> 00:30:04,240
made a final decision would be the Coco

652
00:30:01,799 --> 00:30:06,760
house and taking some of that money

653
00:30:04,240 --> 00:30:09,559
would be based on the executed contract

654
00:30:06,760 --> 00:30:11,159
that they have they had 200,000 to spend

655
00:30:09,559 --> 00:30:14,159
the first year and it doesn't look like

656
00:30:11,159 --> 00:30:16,399
they will be able to do

657
00:30:14,159 --> 00:30:18,039
that so considering the fact that we

658
00:30:16,399 --> 00:30:19,440
have to have all contracts executed by

659
00:30:18,039 --> 00:30:21,519
the end of the year could you tell me

660
00:30:19,440 --> 00:30:23,720
how that would work and if we

661
00:30:21,519 --> 00:30:27,679
reallocating money how would

662
00:30:23,720 --> 00:30:29,720
we make that happen I don't think that

663
00:30:27,679 --> 00:30:32,640
that would be too challenging if we

664
00:30:29,720 --> 00:30:34,760
reallocate it um based on the discussion

665
00:30:32,640 --> 00:30:37,600
um with Finance if we reallocated to a

666
00:30:34,760 --> 00:30:40,240
project that is similar we will be able

667
00:30:37,600 --> 00:30:40,240
to do that

668
00:30:40,919 --> 00:30:45,200
internally and so um these discussions

669
00:30:43,960 --> 00:30:49,679
have already taken place with these

670
00:30:45,200 --> 00:30:51,960
entities then with bcni um Coco house

671
00:30:49,679 --> 00:30:53,799
we've been very intentional about

672
00:30:51,960 --> 00:30:56,039
getting spending plans and working with

673
00:30:53,799 --> 00:30:58,039
the subrecipients to find creative ways

674
00:30:56,039 --> 00:31:01,080
to spend the money based on what they

675
00:30:58,039 --> 00:31:03,840
agreed to do um with the arpa funding um

676
00:31:01,080 --> 00:31:04,679
so that's Coco houses like I said is

677
00:31:03,840 --> 00:31:07,039
still

678
00:31:04,679 --> 00:31:08,519
pending and so um are you saying that

679
00:31:07,039 --> 00:31:10,960
there would need there would need be no

680
00:31:08,519 --> 00:31:14,840
need for Council action to reallocate

681
00:31:10,960 --> 00:31:17,559
this I am not saying that but we are

682
00:31:14,840 --> 00:31:19,360
working on it internally and when I meet

683
00:31:17,559 --> 00:31:21,399
with finance and the mayor tomorrow I

684
00:31:19,360 --> 00:31:22,320
will have clear answers on the direction

685
00:31:21,399 --> 00:31:24,639
that we're

686
00:31:22,320 --> 00:31:28,519
going but I'm not saying that we will

687
00:31:24,639 --> 00:31:30,559
not need Council I I can't answer that

688
00:31:28,519 --> 00:31:32,120
so mayor if we need councel we because

689
00:31:30,559 --> 00:31:33,360
we'd have to call the special meeting if

690
00:31:32,120 --> 00:31:35,960
it is going to need be a need for

691
00:31:33,360 --> 00:31:38,679
Council action so I I just asked that

692
00:31:35,960 --> 00:31:40,399
that the council be made aware as soon

693
00:31:38,679 --> 00:31:42,679
as

694
00:31:40,399 --> 00:31:46,360
possible

695
00:31:42,679 --> 00:31:49,159
yes fact if any modifications could be

696
00:31:46,360 --> 00:31:52,159
as soon as next Monday night something

697
00:31:49,159 --> 00:31:54,399
for unanimous consent but I believe all

698
00:31:52,159 --> 00:31:56,519
the things being looked at are

699
00:31:54,399 --> 00:31:59,559
conceptually in line with what the

700
00:31:56,519 --> 00:32:01,080
original intent was within the

701
00:31:59,559 --> 00:32:04,039
organization and how do we just

702
00:32:01,080 --> 00:32:07,200
accomplish that goal whether

703
00:32:04,039 --> 00:32:10,120
it's uh to they initially proposed or

704
00:32:07,200 --> 00:32:12,120
within modification that might be their

705
00:32:10,120 --> 00:32:16,080
ability to do it or some modification

706
00:32:12,120 --> 00:32:17,720
from the city's side okay and so we

707
00:32:16,080 --> 00:32:18,960
anticipate that if anything needs to

708
00:32:17,720 --> 00:32:20,360
change in come before the council it

709
00:32:18,960 --> 00:32:22,200
would come but we'd have to do without

710
00:32:20,360 --> 00:32:23,919
without unanimous consent am I

711
00:32:22,200 --> 00:32:25,840
understand that correctly well you can

712
00:32:23,919 --> 00:32:29,279
call a special meeting there's a couple

713
00:32:25,840 --> 00:32:32,200
ways you can do it the simpler one might

714
00:32:29,279 --> 00:32:34,080
be to put it on next Monday night as

715
00:32:32,200 --> 00:32:37,279
long as everybody

716
00:32:34,080 --> 00:32:38,679
agrees why wouldn't everybody you have

717
00:32:37,279 --> 00:32:40,840
you have to ask people that know I don't

718
00:32:38,679 --> 00:32:42,840
know and I just want to note that you

719
00:32:40,840 --> 00:32:45,279
know the department has been working

720
00:32:42,840 --> 00:32:47,279
with the sub recipients we don't want to

721
00:32:45,279 --> 00:32:51,000
take the funding back but you know

722
00:32:47,279 --> 00:32:53,200
helping them realize what is realistic

723
00:32:51,000 --> 00:32:55,159
um as far as what they've spent to date

724
00:32:53,200 --> 00:32:57,440
so that we don't lose the money so the

725
00:32:55,159 --> 00:32:59,159
the goal has been to really work with

726
00:32:57,440 --> 00:33:01,440
them to come up with a plan that's

727
00:32:59,159 --> 00:33:03,960
realistic and not reallocate the fund so

728
00:33:01,440 --> 00:33:05,639
I just wanted to put that on record okay

729
00:33:03,960 --> 00:33:07,600
so yes and I want to thank you for the

730
00:33:05,639 --> 00:33:09,919
you've worked really really hard on this

731
00:33:07,600 --> 00:33:11,919
and I know in the past um year and a

732
00:33:09,919 --> 00:33:14,080
half maybe by nowk that you've been here

733
00:33:11,919 --> 00:33:18,159
so I really appreciate that and um you

734
00:33:14,080 --> 00:33:19,480
did point out two um groups but has is

735
00:33:18,159 --> 00:33:22,399
everyone else doing well with their

736
00:33:19,480 --> 00:33:24,880
spend down so we got up we we've worked

737
00:33:22,399 --> 00:33:27,120
with every every project and we've

738
00:33:24,880 --> 00:33:29,840
gotten updated accounts on where they

739
00:33:27,120 --> 00:33:31,559
are so the ones that I originally had

740
00:33:29,840 --> 00:33:34,039
recommended to city council which had

741
00:33:31,559 --> 00:33:36,000
included Hamilton Hill they are now

742
00:33:34,039 --> 00:33:39,240
actively moving doing their site

743
00:33:36,000 --> 00:33:42,440
approval process so we've put a little

744
00:33:39,240 --> 00:33:44,559
fuel um to the fire so that all of them

745
00:33:42,440 --> 00:33:46,480
are actually moving accordingly and

746
00:33:44,559 --> 00:33:48,799
based on the spending plans that they

747
00:33:46,480 --> 00:33:50,159
did re that we did receive and speaking

748
00:33:48,799 --> 00:33:53,799
with them it looks like they're going to

749
00:33:50,159 --> 00:33:57,159
be on on target I know that the YW also

750
00:33:53,799 --> 00:34:00,679
hadn't spent a lot no but they are due

751
00:33:57,159 --> 00:34:03,480
to spend May of 2025 they will start

752
00:34:00,679 --> 00:34:05,440
expending that money now okay um M car

753
00:34:03,480 --> 00:34:07,159
could you just would provide the council

754
00:34:05,440 --> 00:34:08,679
with a print out or you can send stand

755
00:34:07,159 --> 00:34:11,240
where everybody is so that then

756
00:34:08,679 --> 00:34:13,919
everybody can actually see um where we

757
00:34:11,240 --> 00:34:15,839
are with all of that sure all right does

758
00:34:13,919 --> 00:34:19,760
anyone else have questions regarding the

759
00:34:15,839 --> 00:34:22,320
ARB Mr Williams oh I'm sorry I thought

760
00:34:19,760 --> 00:34:24,399
your hand up yes Mr

761
00:34:22,320 --> 00:34:27,480
Williams I thought you were right go

762
00:34:24,399 --> 00:34:29,119
ahead so my question go ahead so my

763
00:34:27,480 --> 00:34:31,919
question question is about bcnr I

764
00:34:29,119 --> 00:34:33,480
remember from that meeting there were a

765
00:34:31,919 --> 00:34:36,200
lot of questions around their ability to

766
00:34:33,480 --> 00:34:38,159
SC down and I remember it differently

767
00:34:36,200 --> 00:34:41,440
that they were strongly saying that they

768
00:34:38,159 --> 00:34:44,079
did not anticipate any issues with fully

769
00:34:41,440 --> 00:34:45,560
um spending down their current ass so I

770
00:34:44,079 --> 00:34:47,679
do you have any more specific do you

771
00:34:45,560 --> 00:34:49,599
know which one BC and I have they have

772
00:34:47,679 --> 00:34:51,560
several AR for funding so the one that

773
00:34:49,599 --> 00:34:54,119
they said they anticipated not having

774
00:34:51,560 --> 00:34:56,839
issues was there on occupied rehab that

775
00:34:54,119 --> 00:34:58,800
was the $1 million allocation but the

776
00:34:56,839 --> 00:35:00,480
forclosure ition is the one that they

777
00:34:58,800 --> 00:35:03,720
stated that they have some challenges

778
00:35:00,480 --> 00:35:05,800
with finding um the demographics to take

779
00:35:03,720 --> 00:35:08,760
that

780
00:35:05,800 --> 00:35:11,560
funding you're welcome Miss Patrick is

781
00:35:08,760 --> 00:35:14,720
have a question no I was um I was just

782
00:35:11,560 --> 00:35:17,880
calling on Mr Williams as the standing

783
00:35:14,720 --> 00:35:20,480
for Mr mudaron here that's why he was

784
00:35:17,880 --> 00:35:22,520
sorry okay got it anybody else any

785
00:35:20,480 --> 00:35:25,359
questions for ARA oh sorry that's okay

786
00:35:22,520 --> 00:35:25,359
it's

787
00:35:25,760 --> 00:35:32,480
questions Carver just used to

788
00:35:28,880 --> 00:35:34,960
it any other questions thank you so much

789
00:35:32,480 --> 00:35:38,000
thank you okay so the next item on the

790
00:35:34,960 --> 00:35:40,359
agenda is um Financial donation to the

791
00:35:38,000 --> 00:35:40,359
police

792
00:35:46,520 --> 00:35:51,040
department hello should have a pretty

793
00:35:49,480 --> 00:35:52,720
easy one here so a little background on

794
00:35:51,040 --> 00:35:54,800
this and an anous donors wishing to

795
00:35:52,720 --> 00:35:56,760
donate donate $110,000 to the police

796
00:35:54,800 --> 00:36:00,040
department for the purchase of a new

797
00:35:56,760 --> 00:36:01,720
drone and for drone related equipment uh

798
00:36:00,040 --> 00:36:05,920
there's no matching funds required by

799
00:36:01,720 --> 00:36:08,079
the city great any questions or concerns

800
00:36:05,920 --> 00:36:09,640
U Madam chair um yes this is going

801
00:36:08,079 --> 00:36:11,640
through the foundation correct this

802
00:36:09,640 --> 00:36:14,839
donation will go through the public

803
00:36:11,640 --> 00:36:16,359
safety Foundation yes okay at this time

804
00:36:14,839 --> 00:36:19,079
no action needs to be taken by the

805
00:36:16,359 --> 00:36:21,800
council when you accept the item that

806
00:36:19,079 --> 00:36:24,880
the foundation purchases on the city's

807
00:36:21,800 --> 00:36:26,560
behalf you can accept it okay great well

808
00:36:24,880 --> 00:36:29,000
thank you very much very good thank you

809
00:36:26,560 --> 00:36:32,160
have a good holiday it's anous I guess

810
00:36:29,000 --> 00:36:35,720
we can't set it back

811
00:36:32,160 --> 00:36:38,000
right we want to because what the next

812
00:36:35,720 --> 00:36:40,680
item um if Mr triny could come forward

813
00:36:38,000 --> 00:36:44,079
we have the review of the uh building

814
00:36:40,680 --> 00:36:48,040
Pro V schedule which you all also we got

815
00:36:44,079 --> 00:36:48,040
another copy of that today I think it

816
00:36:48,760 --> 00:36:53,599
was you want to bring your you need all

817
00:36:51,160 --> 00:36:58,440
that stuff bring

818
00:36:53,599 --> 00:36:58,440
toks it's in the packet also

819
00:37:03,200 --> 00:37:08,880
good evening

820
00:37:05,359 --> 00:37:11,400
hi so I've been called tonight to uh be

821
00:37:08,880 --> 00:37:15,000
available for some questions revolving

822
00:37:11,400 --> 00:37:18,160
around fee increase proposal that uh has

823
00:37:15,000 --> 00:37:20,680
come before you all and so I'm available

824
00:37:18,160 --> 00:37:23,520
for whatever questions you

825
00:37:20,680 --> 00:37:25,839
have any questions or concerns about the

826
00:37:23,520 --> 00:37:27,920
code can you just do a quick run through

827
00:37:25,839 --> 00:37:29,720
I don't know that um I know that are

828
00:37:27,920 --> 00:37:31,280
we're not you highlighted this when you

829
00:37:29,720 --> 00:37:32,920
printed it we didn't get U we didn't

830
00:37:31,280 --> 00:37:35,680
have highlighted copies so if you could

831
00:37:32,920 --> 00:37:40,040
just run through um the request to

832
00:37:35,680 --> 00:37:43,839
changes for for us please

833
00:37:40,040 --> 00:37:47,079
so well the U the meat and potatoes of

834
00:37:43,839 --> 00:37:50,079
the increases revolve around um

835
00:37:47,079 --> 00:37:56,880
application fees for the building

836
00:37:50,079 --> 00:37:58,760
permits and um we proposed a uh 3%

837
00:37:56,880 --> 00:38:02,160
increase

838
00:37:58,760 --> 00:38:03,960
um applications with construction cost

839
00:38:02,160 --> 00:38:10,160
of up to

840
00:38:03,960 --> 00:38:13,960
$10,000 and a 2% increase of 10,000 to

841
00:38:10,160 --> 00:38:17,359
100,000 and a point

842
00:38:13,960 --> 00:38:19,160
uh a

843
00:38:17,359 --> 00:38:23,640
0.0001%

844
00:38:19,160 --> 00:38:28,680
increase of um anything over

845
00:38:23,640 --> 00:38:34,000
$100,000 um so um

846
00:38:28,680 --> 00:38:36,200
see we uh roofing permits have uh we we

847
00:38:34,000 --> 00:38:39,760
we want to do away with the flat fee for

848
00:38:36,200 --> 00:38:42,240
roofing permits and um go with a the

849
00:38:39,760 --> 00:38:44,280
structure that we use for the um

850
00:38:42,240 --> 00:38:50,000
building

851
00:38:44,280 --> 00:38:50,000
permits um some various other increases

852
00:38:50,440 --> 00:38:55,359
here

853
00:38:52,160 --> 00:38:59,000
see so some after hours inspection

854
00:38:55,359 --> 00:39:04,400
requests um proposed to charge fees for

855
00:38:59,000 --> 00:39:07,319
that uh $150 fee with a 2hour

856
00:39:04,400 --> 00:39:10,359
minimum fairly insignificant we don't

857
00:39:07,319 --> 00:39:14,839
get many requests for those but

858
00:39:10,359 --> 00:39:17,319
um sidewalk permits uh to go up to uh by

859
00:39:14,839 --> 00:39:18,760
$25 right now it's at $50 it's going to

860
00:39:17,319 --> 00:39:21,400
go to

861
00:39:18,760 --> 00:39:24,319
$75 that's for sidewalk

862
00:39:21,400 --> 00:39:28,640
repairs um all these fees that are

863
00:39:24,319 --> 00:39:31,240
proposed are to cover cover costs uh

864
00:39:28,640 --> 00:39:33,599
from the department and our staffing

865
00:39:31,240 --> 00:39:35,920
they haven't been increased

866
00:39:33,599 --> 00:39:39,119
since um I think there were some minor

867
00:39:35,920 --> 00:39:40,560
changes in 2017 but before that I think

868
00:39:39,119 --> 00:39:43,079
it was

869
00:39:40,560 --> 00:39:45,240
2008 that we had talked about in the

870
00:39:43,079 --> 00:39:48,119
presentation of these

871
00:39:45,240 --> 00:39:50,520
increases um like I said the meat and

872
00:39:48,119 --> 00:39:52,800
potatoes behind all the increases are in

873
00:39:50,520 --> 00:39:56,319
the building permit side of the

874
00:39:52,800 --> 00:39:58,760
increases the other ones are very minor

875
00:39:56,319 --> 00:40:04,520
on

876
00:39:58,760 --> 00:40:07,640
overall um we have uh fence permits also

877
00:40:04,520 --> 00:40:10,119
a small increase from $50 to

878
00:40:07,640 --> 00:40:15,359
$75

879
00:40:10,119 --> 00:40:15,359
um let's see there's other minor

880
00:40:18,760 --> 00:40:24,000
changes um any any questions revolving

881
00:40:22,119 --> 00:40:26,040
any specific

882
00:40:24,000 --> 00:40:27,880
fees should we go over the whole

883
00:40:26,040 --> 00:40:32,640
presentation again or

884
00:40:27,880 --> 00:40:36,960
um M Doro has a question yes thank you

885
00:40:32,640 --> 00:40:39,920
um so the asphalt paving permit um so is

886
00:40:36,960 --> 00:40:43,440
that like when

887
00:40:39,920 --> 00:40:45,040
um who checks on when like a water main

888
00:40:43,440 --> 00:40:48,599
brakes and we have it repaired from the

889
00:40:45,040 --> 00:40:50,359
road to our homes is that there so

890
00:40:48,599 --> 00:40:52,160
though asphalt paving would be on

891
00:40:50,359 --> 00:40:54,599
private property there's mostly uh

892
00:40:52,160 --> 00:40:57,359
driveways that are being redone okay so

893
00:40:54,599 --> 00:41:00,319
the contractor work permits would um

894
00:40:57,359 --> 00:41:03,839
those will be covering the work in the

895
00:41:00,319 --> 00:41:07,119
right away B basically uh National Grid

896
00:41:03,839 --> 00:41:09,880
work so the asphalt paving permits

897
00:41:07,119 --> 00:41:13,560
mostly is on private property thank you

898
00:41:09,880 --> 00:41:16,800
you're welcome other

899
00:41:13,560 --> 00:41:19,400
questions thank you um so has there

900
00:41:16,800 --> 00:41:23,520
always been an inspection fee Associated

901
00:41:19,400 --> 00:41:25,800
um just with like cve fence permit um so

902
00:41:23,520 --> 00:41:29,599
residential application fee I see for

903
00:41:25,800 --> 00:41:31,960
fence permit $75 for the $75 inspection

904
00:41:29,599 --> 00:41:34,319
fee so that's someone after the work's

905
00:41:31,960 --> 00:41:37,240
done someone goes back out to inspect is

906
00:41:34,319 --> 00:41:41,000
that yes has that always

907
00:41:37,240 --> 00:41:44,560
been a fee associated with we're talking

908
00:41:41,000 --> 00:41:47,160
about specifically curve cup curb cut um

909
00:41:44,560 --> 00:41:47,160
fence

910
00:41:48,240 --> 00:41:52,599
permit the asphal paving

911
00:41:54,560 --> 00:41:59,400
permit penil I think um so that's new

912
00:41:57,560 --> 00:42:02,200
the inspection fee is proposed that's a

913
00:41:59,400 --> 00:42:04,560
new fee proposed so alls we had was the

914
00:42:02,200 --> 00:42:07,680
$75 application fee with fenes

915
00:42:04,560 --> 00:42:11,040
specifically and the curb cup similar

916
00:42:07,680 --> 00:42:13,800
same adding an inspection fee correct

917
00:42:11,040 --> 00:42:16,839
yes they do require an extra visit so we

918
00:42:13,800 --> 00:42:20,200
have our administrative processes that

919
00:42:16,839 --> 00:42:22,520
are uh part of the application process

920
00:42:20,200 --> 00:42:24,920
and then field work for the inspections

921
00:42:22,520 --> 00:42:28,119
we felt that a uh inspection fee is

922
00:42:24,920 --> 00:42:31,240
necessary there cover cost done

923
00:42:28,119 --> 00:42:35,000
yeah thank you welome other

924
00:42:31,240 --> 00:42:39,240
questions Mr Man you were just okay Miss

925
00:42:35,000 --> 00:42:42,559
for yeah so in terms of well um you said

926
00:42:39,240 --> 00:42:44,800
like after hour fee so at this point in

927
00:42:42,559 --> 00:42:47,960
time are we

928
00:42:44,800 --> 00:42:50,400
only are is is Staff only working like 8

929
00:42:47,960 --> 00:42:53,359
to four so there's

930
00:42:50,400 --> 00:42:56,160
no um schedule where where like it's

931
00:42:53,359 --> 00:42:57,559
staggered for U where there eight four

932
00:42:56,160 --> 00:43:00,800
people and there's four to whatever

933
00:42:57,559 --> 00:43:03,119
people as as everybody 8 to four because

934
00:43:00,800 --> 00:43:06,520
then that could create a situation for

935
00:43:03,119 --> 00:43:08,240
homeowners contractors whomever that you

936
00:43:06,520 --> 00:43:11,160
you're now charging them to come out

937
00:43:08,240 --> 00:43:13,839
after working hours so those requests

938
00:43:11,160 --> 00:43:16,200
are U very rare and they might be on a

939
00:43:13,839 --> 00:43:19,760
commercial project where um maybe

940
00:43:16,200 --> 00:43:23,160
they're um absolutely necessary

941
00:43:19,760 --> 00:43:26,800
requiring a uh early morning inspection

942
00:43:23,160 --> 00:43:29,559
say for a concrete por at 5:00 a.m. um

943
00:43:26,800 --> 00:43:32,400
very rare but uh we do have staff on

944
00:43:29,559 --> 00:43:37,079
24/7 in the building department but it's

945
00:43:32,400 --> 00:43:40,520
emergency on call staffing so

946
00:43:37,079 --> 00:43:43,000
um not available for inspections or

947
00:43:40,520 --> 00:43:46,720
inspection requests

948
00:43:43,000 --> 00:43:49,760
for construction projects so so we don't

949
00:43:46,720 --> 00:43:52,559
have so everybody works 8 8 to 4:30 8 to

950
00:43:49,760 --> 00:43:54,280
3:45 8 to four okay so everybody works

951
00:43:52,559 --> 00:43:56,000
there so then then the answer to the

952
00:43:54,280 --> 00:43:58,520
question is like on the weekends and no

953
00:43:56,000 --> 00:44:04,119
one's no one's out

954
00:43:58,520 --> 00:44:04,119
no uh just emergency staff for on Call

955
00:44:04,720 --> 00:44:09,880
emergencies okay and um

956
00:44:07,079 --> 00:44:12,559
so how how many violations because I

957
00:44:09,880 --> 00:44:15,680
know that you issue violations stock

958
00:44:12,559 --> 00:44:18,440
work ORD is any number of things how

959
00:44:15,680 --> 00:44:19,880
many do we have outstanding currently I

960
00:44:18,440 --> 00:44:21,720
I sent you the email to ask that

961
00:44:19,880 --> 00:44:23,440
question thank you for preparing on that

962
00:44:21,720 --> 00:44:25,280
that's okay I want you to be prepared

963
00:44:23,440 --> 00:44:27,440
I'm trying to catch you off car

964
00:44:25,280 --> 00:44:29,160
appreciate it uh so I would like to know

965
00:44:27,440 --> 00:44:31,359
about that um and what the follow-up

966
00:44:29,160 --> 00:44:33,040
looks like because part of you know Us

967
00:44:31,359 --> 00:44:35,280
increasing fees continually is the

968
00:44:33,040 --> 00:44:36,760
enforcement of it but if you're telling

969
00:44:35,280 --> 00:44:39,079
me that staff is only doing 8 to four

970
00:44:36,760 --> 00:44:40,960
and then they have to do whatever else

971
00:44:39,079 --> 00:44:42,960
their normal thing that where where's

972
00:44:40,960 --> 00:44:46,240
the time for the enforcement how much is

973
00:44:42,960 --> 00:44:47,839
outstanding right now so we have uh so I

974
00:44:46,240 --> 00:44:50,240
rent a report and I have a summary for

975
00:44:47,839 --> 00:44:52,520
you that'll pass out so you have it at

976
00:44:50,240 --> 00:44:56,040
your disposal after we're we're through

977
00:44:52,520 --> 00:44:58,760
here but uh currently we have

978
00:44:56,040 --> 00:45:04,520
2,835 outstanding violations so that

979
00:44:58,760 --> 00:45:07,960
would be pending um for possibly 2,800

980
00:45:04,520 --> 00:45:10,800
yes so that that would be uh that could

981
00:45:07,960 --> 00:45:15,640
be pending uh that could

982
00:45:10,800 --> 00:45:19,440
be in uh with with tickets issued um

983
00:45:15,640 --> 00:45:20,440
with violations needing to go to court

984
00:45:19,440 --> 00:45:22,520
um

985
00:45:20,440 --> 00:45:25,040
so that's that's the number of

986
00:45:22,520 --> 00:45:27,559
outstanding violations we have currently

987
00:45:25,040 --> 00:45:29,359
um that's also um

988
00:45:27,559 --> 00:45:33,000
thank the nuisance Department's

989
00:45:29,359 --> 00:45:35,480
violations um also there's some

990
00:45:33,000 --> 00:45:40,040
violations that exist with zoning as

991
00:45:35,480 --> 00:45:42,000
well so so they'll be in there uh but in

992
00:45:40,040 --> 00:45:46,680
my report summary you'll see that number

993
00:45:42,000 --> 00:45:50,160
of 2835 outstanding violations

994
00:45:46,680 --> 00:45:52,640
currently what is the dollar amount so

995
00:45:50,160 --> 00:45:55,920
the dollar amount uh would be in a

996
00:45:52,640 --> 00:45:57,920
different report um so often those

997
00:45:55,920 --> 00:46:00,319
violations aren't they don't have an

998
00:45:57,920 --> 00:46:02,760
administrative fee for every single

999
00:46:00,319 --> 00:46:06,000
violation so they often times are

1000
00:46:02,760 --> 00:46:09,480
grouped so for instance if we issue five

1001
00:46:06,000 --> 00:46:11,599
violations at a certain parcel um they

1002
00:46:09,480 --> 00:46:13,720
don't necessarily they they'll have one

1003
00:46:11,599 --> 00:46:16,680
administrative fee for all violations

1004
00:46:13,720 --> 00:46:18,440
will be grouped together so uh an

1005
00:46:16,680 --> 00:46:24,440
administrative fee is

1006
00:46:18,440 --> 00:46:27,280
$50 um and often that uh they are

1007
00:46:24,440 --> 00:46:30,000
grouped together so we can't ass assume

1008
00:46:27,280 --> 00:46:33,079
that it's $50 per each

1009
00:46:30,000 --> 00:46:35,240
violation so could be more I see it

1010
00:46:33,079 --> 00:46:38,839
could it wouldn't be more it would be

1011
00:46:35,240 --> 00:46:38,839
less I see what you're

1012
00:46:39,319 --> 00:46:43,960
saying

1013
00:46:41,079 --> 00:46:45,839
and so and is there a charge for so if

1014
00:46:43,960 --> 00:46:48,040
someone is doing

1015
00:46:45,839 --> 00:46:50,720
work and they get a stop work order is

1016
00:46:48,040 --> 00:46:53,000
that charge also $50 so a stop work

1017
00:46:50,720 --> 00:46:58,000
order the fee associated with stop work

1018
00:46:53,000 --> 00:47:01,000
order which is in our uh

1019
00:46:58,000 --> 00:47:04,240
in our uh presentation is

1020
00:47:01,000 --> 00:47:07,720
$550 for a stop order are there any of

1021
00:47:04,240 --> 00:47:07,720
those outstanding

1022
00:47:07,760 --> 00:47:12,359
um I'm sure there is I'm sure there are

1023
00:47:10,319 --> 00:47:14,480
some that haven't that that are waiting

1024
00:47:12,359 --> 00:47:16,079
to be complied with um I don't have that

1025
00:47:14,480 --> 00:47:19,760
number available but I can get you that

1026
00:47:16,079 --> 00:47:22,720
number and send it in an email to

1027
00:47:19,760 --> 00:47:25,680
you so I'm I'm sure there's some stock

1028
00:47:22,720 --> 00:47:28,160
workorders that are in

1029
00:47:25,680 --> 00:47:30,119
process okay

1030
00:47:28,160 --> 00:47:32,440
another question um so I see that people

1031
00:47:30,119 --> 00:47:35,559
get permits for to do whatever the

1032
00:47:32,440 --> 00:47:38,200
permits are pulled um so are they

1033
00:47:35,559 --> 00:47:39,640
standard standard color standard and

1034
00:47:38,200 --> 00:47:42,160
then just you write on them what

1035
00:47:39,640 --> 00:47:47,160
whatever they're getting a permit for so

1036
00:47:42,160 --> 00:47:51,000
we have um many different permit types M

1037
00:47:47,160 --> 00:47:53,880
and um as far as color goes uh

1038
00:47:51,000 --> 00:47:57,040
electrical would be green um yellow

1039
00:47:53,880 --> 00:48:00,520
would be our standard permit for most so

1040
00:47:57,040 --> 00:48:02,119
fence permits are on white paper um most

1041
00:48:00,520 --> 00:48:04,760
all other building permits will be on

1042
00:48:02,119 --> 00:48:07,720
our yellow paper

1043
00:48:04,760 --> 00:48:09,200
Okay um sometimes if people drive I I'm

1044
00:48:07,720 --> 00:48:11,000
just thinking if people are driving by

1045
00:48:09,200 --> 00:48:12,640
they have something specific like on a

1046
00:48:11,000 --> 00:48:16,000
green paper we let them know it's for

1047
00:48:12,640 --> 00:48:17,640
this because maybe I'm doing a roof when

1048
00:48:16,000 --> 00:48:21,040
I've only pulled a permit for something

1049
00:48:17,640 --> 00:48:24,000
much less expensive so just wondering if

1050
00:48:21,040 --> 00:48:27,040
there was a color code process that let

1051
00:48:24,000 --> 00:48:28,640
your your code people know um what

1052
00:48:27,040 --> 00:48:29,960
they're if they're if they're actually

1053
00:48:28,640 --> 00:48:31,800
what they just seeing a permit to them

1054
00:48:29,960 --> 00:48:33,160
it's the permit's there but let them

1055
00:48:31,800 --> 00:48:34,680
know that that what's being done is

1056
00:48:33,160 --> 00:48:36,599
actually what the permit was pulled for

1057
00:48:34,680 --> 00:48:39,520
it's something to think about improving

1058
00:48:36,599 --> 00:48:41,119
on and maybe we can get more color coded

1059
00:48:39,520 --> 00:48:43,079
uh but right now a building permit is

1060
00:48:41,119 --> 00:48:45,720
yellow fence permits are white

1061
00:48:43,079 --> 00:48:47,760
electrical per are

1062
00:48:45,720 --> 00:48:51,240
green

1063
00:48:47,760 --> 00:48:53,839
okay any other questions Mr Williams uh

1064
00:48:51,240 --> 00:48:56,240
to a question about the 2800 outstanding

1065
00:48:53,839 --> 00:48:57,400
violations yes sir does that reflect

1066
00:48:56,240 --> 00:49:00,720
outstanding

1067
00:48:57,400 --> 00:49:04,799
collections or outstanding like stop and

1068
00:49:00,720 --> 00:49:06,760
address this so as I stated so a lot of

1069
00:49:04,799 --> 00:49:08,680
them are in process so they' be in

1070
00:49:06,760 --> 00:49:11,040
process so they're pending so uh we're

1071
00:49:08,680 --> 00:49:16,599
waiting for compliance many of them will

1072
00:49:11,040 --> 00:49:20,280
be complied with um so um as far as

1073
00:49:16,599 --> 00:49:23,920
collections go um it doesn't reflect

1074
00:49:20,280 --> 00:49:25,720
collections so administrative fees are

1075
00:49:23,920 --> 00:49:29,160
associated with the

1076
00:49:25,720 --> 00:49:30,520
violations many times they're grouped so

1077
00:49:29,160 --> 00:49:35,200
there could

1078
00:49:30,520 --> 00:49:37,920
be uh you know two three four a half a

1079
00:49:35,200 --> 00:49:39,000
dozen all grouped together with $50

1080
00:49:37,920 --> 00:49:42,799
administrative

1081
00:49:39,000 --> 00:49:45,160
fee and just a following question um

1082
00:49:42,799 --> 00:49:46,720
just with respect to any changes there's

1083
00:49:45,160 --> 00:49:49,240
going to be as we just discussed with

1084
00:49:46,720 --> 00:49:51,760
the speed limit a time frame where you

1085
00:49:49,240 --> 00:49:54,640
have to work through like the population

1086
00:49:51,760 --> 00:49:57,839
becoming more compliant uh do you

1087
00:49:54,640 --> 00:50:01,720
foresee any shifts and having to be more

1088
00:49:57,839 --> 00:50:04,359
proactive where this deters people from

1089
00:50:01,720 --> 00:50:07,160
proactively seeking these permits and

1090
00:50:04,359 --> 00:50:09,680
thus form requiring your officers to be

1091
00:50:07,160 --> 00:50:13,000
more present in the community to miss

1092
00:50:09,680 --> 00:50:14,960
porterfield's Point adopting a larger

1093
00:50:13,000 --> 00:50:17,079
number of hours to potentially be more

1094
00:50:14,960 --> 00:50:20,160
visible in times where if I was a

1095
00:50:17,079 --> 00:50:24,079
contractor I'll just wait till you

1096
00:50:20,160 --> 00:50:28,160
close yeah um I suppose I could do a

1097
00:50:24,079 --> 00:50:30,040
deeper study on on that and um we do not

1098
00:50:28,160 --> 00:50:32,760
want to deter the public from pulling

1099
00:50:30,040 --> 00:50:36,400
permits so that is not our goal our goal

1100
00:50:32,760 --> 00:50:39,880
is to U simply keep up with the cost of

1101
00:50:36,400 --> 00:50:42,680
operations so and we really uh gave this

1102
00:50:39,880 --> 00:50:46,040
a lot of thought and we did um crunch

1103
00:50:42,680 --> 00:50:48,119
numbers and we are um concentrating on

1104
00:50:46,040 --> 00:50:50,960
keeping up with the cost of operation

1105
00:50:48,119 --> 00:50:53,079
and we are aware that I'm aware every

1106
00:50:50,960 --> 00:50:55,079
change we make that um we want to

1107
00:50:53,079 --> 00:50:57,079
encourage pulling of building permits

1108
00:50:55,079 --> 00:50:59,119
and we don't want to deter that thank

1109
00:50:57,079 --> 00:51:02,440
you so you're

1110
00:50:59,119 --> 00:51:05,920
welcome any other

1111
00:51:02,440 --> 00:51:10,319
questions so this is really for

1112
00:51:05,920 --> 00:51:12,000
um Mr O'Brien so this or M baraj so this

1113
00:51:10,319 --> 00:51:14,000
is part of the code so we're going to

1114
00:51:12,000 --> 00:51:15,640
have to do a public hearing for this for

1115
00:51:14,000 --> 00:51:17,640
the changes yeah no we already did the

1116
00:51:15,640 --> 00:51:19,200
public hearing on on this we already did

1117
00:51:17,640 --> 00:51:22,960
the public hearing yes back in October

1118
00:51:19,200 --> 00:51:25,160
so all this has an effective date on uh

1119
00:51:22,960 --> 00:51:28,359
January 1st so you've had your public

1120
00:51:25,160 --> 00:51:32,000
hearing um it's back before the council

1121
00:51:28,359 --> 00:51:33,720
all want to tweak it for next week um

1122
00:51:32,000 --> 00:51:35,880
change the effective date whatever you

1123
00:51:33,720 --> 00:51:37,880
want to do but the public hearing has

1124
00:51:35,880 --> 00:51:40,359
been done so if there's any changes you

1125
00:51:37,880 --> 00:51:42,880
want to do this is a good time to do it

1126
00:51:40,359 --> 00:51:45,599
and and if you don't then it can go on

1127
00:51:42,880 --> 00:51:49,280
the agenda next week as is as a clean

1128
00:51:45,599 --> 00:51:49,280
copy ready for a final

1129
00:51:49,760 --> 00:51:54,520
vote Yes support so I'm not in this

1130
00:51:52,599 --> 00:51:57,559
committee but um I do I would like to

1131
00:51:54,520 --> 00:51:59,920
see like the amount of those outstanding

1132
00:51:57,559 --> 00:52:03,720
um violations that we have and what the

1133
00:51:59,920 --> 00:52:05,440
dollar amount is it equates to and I

1134
00:52:03,720 --> 00:52:08,240
have to tell you I have a concern that

1135
00:52:05,440 --> 00:52:09,799
even if we increase fees that the

1136
00:52:08,240 --> 00:52:12,040
enforcement piece of it seems to be

1137
00:52:09,799 --> 00:52:14,200
we're we're having um we're being

1138
00:52:12,040 --> 00:52:17,640
challenged in terms of making that

1139
00:52:14,200 --> 00:52:20,160
happen so what will increasing fees

1140
00:52:17,640 --> 00:52:22,280
really accomplish will it just be the

1141
00:52:20,160 --> 00:52:24,880
people who are already complying paying

1142
00:52:22,280 --> 00:52:27,960
more and those who aren't you know we're

1143
00:52:24,880 --> 00:52:30,599
covering for that so that that's a

1144
00:52:27,960 --> 00:52:32,400
concern for me because um I don't know

1145
00:52:30,599 --> 00:52:36,200
if anybody else has heard but certainly

1146
00:52:32,400 --> 00:52:39,680
I've heard from um a few individuals not

1147
00:52:36,200 --> 00:52:42,520
a lot just to be uh uh clear about their

1148
00:52:39,680 --> 00:52:45,480
their concerns for um the increase in in

1149
00:52:42,520 --> 00:52:48,440
the fee so I'd like to know where we are

1150
00:52:45,480 --> 00:52:49,960
with the enforcement that's it doesn't

1151
00:52:48,440 --> 00:52:53,400
we can pass all the legislation we want

1152
00:52:49,960 --> 00:52:56,240
but if where if if you're not able to um

1153
00:52:53,400 --> 00:52:59,599
have it enforce then we really haven't

1154
00:52:56,240 --> 00:53:02,440
really benefited understood I can um get

1155
00:52:59,599 --> 00:53:05,839
you a more detailed report on those fees

1156
00:53:02,440 --> 00:53:05,839
and let you know exactly where we

1157
00:53:06,839 --> 00:53:12,920
got I just want to um point out that in

1158
00:53:09,680 --> 00:53:15,119
the budget for 2025 um we had a total

1159
00:53:12,920 --> 00:53:17,440
because we already have reviewed this um

1160
00:53:15,119 --> 00:53:20,880
we were given a total estimated amount

1161
00:53:17,440 --> 00:53:23,319
of what um our Revenue would be for 2025

1162
00:53:20,880 --> 00:53:26,040
and so we voted that into when we

1163
00:53:23,319 --> 00:53:28,880
approved the um the 2025 budget so we

1164
00:53:26,040 --> 00:53:31,640
need to be careful um because obviously

1165
00:53:28,880 --> 00:53:35,640
we don't want to undercut um our our

1166
00:53:31,640 --> 00:53:38,119
previous decision making on this

1167
00:53:35,640 --> 00:53:39,960
topic but part of that decision is that

1168
00:53:38,119 --> 00:53:41,839
we're actually collecting I mean if

1169
00:53:39,960 --> 00:53:44,319
we're not collecting it it's just no we

1170
00:53:41,839 --> 00:53:47,880
have to collect it so one point I'd like

1171
00:53:44,319 --> 00:53:50,760
to uh bring up is that um outstanding

1172
00:53:47,880 --> 00:53:55,559
fees are currently being reeved into the

1173
00:53:50,760 --> 00:53:57,760
taxes as we speak so um we we do collect

1174
00:53:55,559 --> 00:54:01,480
those fees

1175
00:53:57,760 --> 00:54:04,480
whether we do when when

1176
00:54:01,480 --> 00:54:08,319
taxes that's a so we do collect the fees

1177
00:54:04,480 --> 00:54:10,920
they don't get by us okay M Mr Williams

1178
00:54:08,319 --> 00:54:13,599
so w wanting to be responsive to the

1179
00:54:10,920 --> 00:54:16,040
budgeted line but also want to be

1180
00:54:13,599 --> 00:54:17,880
considered of M P's question that I also

1181
00:54:16,040 --> 00:54:19,799
agree with is that an up give you can

1182
00:54:17,880 --> 00:54:21,400
app to us before the end of the week so

1183
00:54:19,799 --> 00:54:23,839
that we can have that in consideration

1184
00:54:21,400 --> 00:54:27,480
for Monday

1185
00:54:23,839 --> 00:54:31,520
absolutely that I'm comfortable okay and

1186
00:54:27,480 --> 00:54:33,559
I'll second it all in favor all I okay

1187
00:54:31,520 --> 00:54:36,119
thank you so much thank

1188
00:54:33,559 --> 00:54:38,640
you okay the next

1189
00:54:36,119 --> 00:54:42,799
item

1190
00:54:38,640 --> 00:54:45,119
is um this is being removed number four

1191
00:54:42,799 --> 00:54:47,000
I'm sorry I'm sorry number four is being

1192
00:54:45,119 --> 00:54:49,720
um they pull that P that oh it's being

1193
00:54:47,000 --> 00:54:53,520
pulled weeks we're pulling uh updating

1194
00:54:49,720 --> 00:54:56,160
the purchasing uh policy for two

1195
00:54:53,520 --> 00:54:57,640
weeks thank you and then the next item

1196
00:54:56,160 --> 00:54:59,640
is the finance agreement for the

1197
00:54:57,640 --> 00:55:01,720
rehabilitation of the city of SKC

1198
00:54:59,640 --> 00:55:04,680
Central Park and Michigan Avenue tennis

1199
00:55:01,720 --> 00:55:04,680
facilities Mr

1200
00:55:10,599 --> 00:55:17,040
wal um I believe you have a draft it's

1201
00:55:13,760 --> 00:55:21,520
done the draft um for an agreement so we

1202
00:55:17,040 --> 00:55:23,839
set aside $500,000 in arpa funding um

1203
00:55:21,520 --> 00:55:25,920
over approximately a year ago and in the

1204
00:55:23,839 --> 00:55:28,760
2025 capital budget we approved $2

1205
00:55:25,920 --> 00:55:31,480
million for a total of $2.5

1206
00:55:28,760 --> 00:55:33,280
million to properly encumber this money

1207
00:55:31,480 --> 00:55:37,280
we're looking to form a formal Financial

1208
00:55:33,280 --> 00:55:39,280
agreement of terms with uh USA Northeast

1209
00:55:37,280 --> 00:55:42,200
for the work that we have been talking

1210
00:55:39,280 --> 00:55:44,480
about um I've been working with uh Jenny

1211
00:55:42,200 --> 00:55:46,520
at the USA and I've seen a law

1212
00:55:44,480 --> 00:55:49,160
department on this agreement um the

1213
00:55:46,520 --> 00:55:50,640
agreement is for the renovations and

1214
00:55:49,160 --> 00:55:53,079
reconstruction of the Central Park

1215
00:55:50,640 --> 00:55:55,160
tennis courts and some uh work at

1216
00:55:53,079 --> 00:55:58,599
Michigan Avenue to keep those courts in

1217
00:55:55,160 --> 00:56:01,319
competitive um competitive shape one of

1218
00:55:58,599 --> 00:56:05,039
the things to note is that we are going

1219
00:56:01,319 --> 00:56:07,079
to try to do all 18 courts however at a

1220
00:56:05,039 --> 00:56:09,799
minimum we are going to do the upper

1221
00:56:07,079 --> 00:56:12,799
Seven Courts and a conversion to eight

1222
00:56:09,799 --> 00:56:14,760
okay um hopefully we can do the 18 we're

1223
00:56:12,799 --> 00:56:18,039
really trying uh through our partnership

1224
00:56:14,760 --> 00:56:20,799
with USA to um have some contractors

1225
00:56:18,039 --> 00:56:22,960
really competitively bid this next year

1226
00:56:20,799 --> 00:56:24,960
um we're working on that design as we

1227
00:56:22,960 --> 00:56:27,400
speak with cha Sports who's done some of

1228
00:56:24,960 --> 00:56:30,400
our work um the courts will be going

1229
00:56:27,400 --> 00:56:32,640
from an asphalt surface to a post engine

1230
00:56:30,400 --> 00:56:36,039
concrete surface the life of those

1231
00:56:32,640 --> 00:56:38,079
courts should be uh much longer than

1232
00:56:36,039 --> 00:56:42,880
asphalt um we're hoping for a minimum of

1233
00:56:38,079 --> 00:56:45,240
30 years uh for the courts um and and 18

1234
00:56:42,880 --> 00:56:48,160
courts up from the 17 will allow them to

1235
00:56:45,240 --> 00:56:50,079
do everything they need there with using

1236
00:56:48,160 --> 00:56:53,520
Michigan for really only teaching with

1237
00:56:50,079 --> 00:56:56,680
the 15 love group um and then in there

1238
00:56:53,520 --> 00:56:58,920
is uh the usda's contribution of million

1239
00:56:56,680 --> 00:57:00,440
doll as well as assisting us with some

1240
00:56:58,920 --> 00:57:04,440
of the operations we are trying to work

1241
00:57:00,440 --> 00:57:06,839
with them on that and if the dollar

1242
00:57:04,440 --> 00:57:09,839
value is close between being able to do

1243
00:57:06,839 --> 00:57:11,599
9 or 18 the city cannot cover it they

1244
00:57:09,839 --> 00:57:13,400
will approach their board for some

1245
00:57:11,599 --> 00:57:14,960
additional fund great to be able to

1246
00:57:13,400 --> 00:57:19,240
cover that which we tried to capture in

1247
00:57:14,960 --> 00:57:21,440
the agreement great any questions Miss

1248
00:57:19,240 --> 00:57:23,280
pfield um so there there's there was

1249
00:57:21,440 --> 00:57:25,359
some conversation but I don't think it

1250
00:57:23,280 --> 00:57:27,559
ever made it to this point though about

1251
00:57:25,359 --> 00:57:29,640
adding a pickable Court there is that

1252
00:57:27,559 --> 00:57:31,920
something that's being considered not at

1253
00:57:29,640 --> 00:57:33,839
Central Park not right now not at this

1254
00:57:31,920 --> 00:57:36,160
complex I think the idea with this

1255
00:57:33,839 --> 00:57:40,240
complex was to keep it focused on tennis

1256
00:57:36,160 --> 00:57:43,119
and not uh do any kind of a hybrid with

1257
00:57:40,240 --> 00:57:45,760
the lines um because there would be some

1258
00:57:43,119 --> 00:57:47,520
kind of a hybrid system but it's not

1259
00:57:45,760 --> 00:57:49,240
that we can't uh we could have that

1260
00:57:47,520 --> 00:57:52,039
conversation but I do know that this is

1261
00:57:49,240 --> 00:57:53,680
their their primary for uh for the

1262
00:57:52,039 --> 00:57:55,559
entire state is these courts I don't

1263
00:57:53,680 --> 00:57:56,760
think that they would want the pickle

1264
00:57:55,559 --> 00:57:58,760
ball

1265
00:57:56,760 --> 00:58:00,160
striping on these particular reports

1266
00:57:58,760 --> 00:58:02,319
yeah I have to say the pickle ball

1267
00:58:00,160 --> 00:58:06,000
people want it just

1268
00:58:02,319 --> 00:58:08,200
saying um that yeah that's my question

1269
00:58:06,000 --> 00:58:09,400
and um I thought there was and I'll have

1270
00:58:08,200 --> 00:58:10,880
a conversation with you but I thought

1271
00:58:09,400 --> 00:58:14,720
there was a conversation about that

1272
00:58:10,880 --> 00:58:17,520
happening and so this currently 17 would

1273
00:58:14,720 --> 00:58:19,480
hopefully go to 18 so we're calling it

1274
00:58:17,520 --> 00:58:20,920
base bid and that all so the base bid is

1275
00:58:19,480 --> 00:58:22,960
what we're talking about would be to

1276
00:58:20,920 --> 00:58:25,000
take the upper Seven Courts which on the

1277
00:58:22,960 --> 00:58:26,920
upper um if you were looking at the

1278
00:58:25,000 --> 00:58:29,359
complex from the road on the right mhm

1279
00:58:26,920 --> 00:58:31,000
take those seven and make them eight if

1280
00:58:29,359 --> 00:58:32,880
you were to which I know you were

1281
00:58:31,000 --> 00:58:35,280
familiar with but the layout the courts

1282
00:58:32,880 --> 00:58:37,640
are halfhazard located at different

1283
00:58:35,280 --> 00:58:39,400
elevations and different locations um

1284
00:58:37,640 --> 00:58:42,720
and we would like to consolidate that

1285
00:58:39,400 --> 00:58:44,559
into a more um professional venue

1286
00:58:42,720 --> 00:58:46,920
similar that we have on the lower 10 the

1287
00:58:44,559 --> 00:58:49,160
lower 10 cours are two banks are five

1288
00:58:46,920 --> 00:58:52,880
and five we're looking to convert the

1289
00:58:49,160 --> 00:58:56,359
three and four into a 4 and four uniform

1290
00:58:52,880 --> 00:58:58,400
at one elevation try to eliminate all

1291
00:58:56,359 --> 00:59:00,799
these different levels of courts that we

1292
00:58:58,400 --> 00:59:04,240
have um so since we're going to this

1293
00:59:00,799 --> 00:59:06,280
extent with the work um all it takes is

1294
00:59:04,240 --> 00:59:08,680
a larger machine we want to get in there

1295
00:59:06,280 --> 00:59:11,839
and grade this out and and really just

1296
00:59:08,680 --> 00:59:13,559
have possibly two levels only a bank of

1297
00:59:11,839 --> 00:59:15,440
eight at a level here and a bank of 10

1298
00:59:13,559 --> 00:59:17,559
at a level here and try to not have

1299
00:59:15,440 --> 00:59:19,680
right now between the 17 courts I think

1300
00:59:17,559 --> 00:59:21,680
they're at six different levels jeez so

1301
00:59:19,680 --> 00:59:23,799
there's all these little steps that you

1302
00:59:21,680 --> 00:59:26,640
take that you go and so that's how we

1303
00:59:23,799 --> 00:59:29,319
our steps in yeah so we're trying try to

1304
00:59:26,640 --> 00:59:32,000
avoid that situation MH okay will this

1305
00:59:29,319 --> 00:59:34,400
improve my game oh

1306
00:59:32,000 --> 00:59:36,760
exponentially more consistency won't be

1307
00:59:34,400 --> 00:59:38,119
able to blame the court for a crack or

1308
00:59:36,760 --> 00:59:41,799
anything like

1309
00:59:38,119 --> 00:59:43,680
that questions y yes I do want to know

1310
00:59:41,799 --> 00:59:46,480
what I know that the USA is also

1311
00:59:43,680 --> 00:59:49,280
contributing to this um does that give

1312
00:59:46,480 --> 00:59:53,319
them um

1313
00:59:49,280 --> 00:59:55,039
more time to or or do they have more um

1314
00:59:53,319 --> 00:59:57,640
access to the courts than the public

1315
00:59:55,039 --> 00:59:59,039
would as a result of their contribution

1316
00:59:57,640 --> 01:00:00,920
as part of this I haven't seen any

1317
00:59:59,039 --> 01:00:02,839
additional access they would want to

1318
01:00:00,920 --> 01:00:04,880
have you know their events on their

1319
01:00:02,839 --> 01:00:06,160
dates but they're already doing that now

1320
01:00:04,880 --> 01:00:09,240
there hasn't been any conversation of

1321
01:00:06,160 --> 01:00:10,960
additional events um really anything

1322
01:00:09,240 --> 01:00:13,960
additional usually comes in the form of

1323
01:00:10,960 --> 01:00:15,240
15 love trying to do some events um and

1324
01:00:13,960 --> 01:00:16,599
they did say that they would help with

1325
01:00:15,240 --> 01:00:18,839
trying to schedule because I know that

1326
01:00:16,599 --> 01:00:20,920
is a difficult thing because the need

1327
01:00:18,839 --> 01:00:22,240
for the courts especially once we make

1328
01:00:20,920 --> 01:00:24,319
this investment the courts will be

1329
01:00:22,240 --> 01:00:26,079
sought after probably by per uh more

1330
01:00:24,319 --> 01:00:28,559
schools and leagues and people like that

1331
01:00:26,079 --> 01:00:31,319
trying to get on um on them but USA

1332
01:00:28,559 --> 01:00:33,960
hasn't asked for an additional uh Court

1333
01:00:31,319 --> 01:00:35,039
time slots only what they've had uh in

1334
01:00:33,960 --> 01:00:39,079
the

1335
01:00:35,039 --> 01:00:40,359
past okay okay and so since we're

1336
01:00:39,079 --> 01:00:41,400
talking about more courts and other

1337
01:00:40,359 --> 01:00:44,000
people wanting to come in because

1338
01:00:41,400 --> 01:00:45,359
they're going to be so professional um

1339
01:00:44,000 --> 01:00:46,920
something we haven't done but should be

1340
01:00:45,359 --> 01:00:48,760
doing is how are we talking since we're

1341
01:00:46,920 --> 01:00:50,920
talking about these how are we talking

1342
01:00:48,760 --> 01:00:54,319
about or I know that's probably not even

1343
01:00:50,920 --> 01:00:56,319
for you um about how we start charging

1344
01:00:54,319 --> 01:00:58,559
so that this this is we're spend money

1345
01:00:56,319 --> 01:01:00,160
so how are we creating Revenue around

1346
01:00:58,559 --> 01:01:01,319
what's going to be according to what

1347
01:01:00,160 --> 01:01:05,240
you're telling it's very state-of thee

1348
01:01:01,319 --> 01:01:07,359
Arch and really sought after y um not

1349
01:01:05,240 --> 01:01:09,000
100% I know the conversations I've been

1350
01:01:07,359 --> 01:01:10,799
involved in we revolve around that

1351
01:01:09,000 --> 01:01:14,799
however it always comes down to a

1352
01:01:10,799 --> 01:01:17,720
balance of um fee generation compared to

1353
01:01:14,799 --> 01:01:19,440
cost for the city so you know if someone

1354
01:01:17,720 --> 01:01:22,079
is collecting a $10 fee but you're

1355
01:01:19,440 --> 01:01:24,440
paying that person $15 an hour what the

1356
01:01:22,079 --> 01:01:26,240
balancing point of that is so that's one

1357
01:01:24,440 --> 01:01:29,359
of the things we're working with the

1358
01:01:26,240 --> 01:01:30,920
1511 USA about about other systems for

1359
01:01:29,359 --> 01:01:32,640
reservations and things like that things

1360
01:01:30,920 --> 01:01:35,640
that are happening we've talked if we

1361
01:01:32,640 --> 01:01:38,200
could get sponsorships uh for that to do

1362
01:01:35,640 --> 01:01:40,280
some kind of income generation but it is

1363
01:01:38,200 --> 01:01:42,720
difficult because you would be putting

1364
01:01:40,280 --> 01:01:44,599
someone there that is essentially a

1365
01:01:42,720 --> 01:01:47,799
seasonal worker and you would be putting

1366
01:01:44,599 --> 01:01:49,960
them in almost an enforcement position

1367
01:01:47,799 --> 01:01:51,000
um and would be difficult it would be a

1368
01:01:49,960 --> 01:01:52,480
difficult thing because you'd be telling

1369
01:01:51,000 --> 01:01:53,720
someone no you can't come here and you'd

1370
01:01:52,480 --> 01:01:55,920
have to you know really provide them

1371
01:01:53,720 --> 01:01:58,119
with how do they do it and unless we're

1372
01:01:55,920 --> 01:01:59,920
giving them the ability to be able to

1373
01:01:58,119 --> 01:02:02,200
sign up and book and do things right

1374
01:01:59,920 --> 01:02:03,960
there on site then it's you know go home

1375
01:02:02,200 --> 01:02:05,640
or go to a park office so there there's

1376
01:02:03,960 --> 01:02:07,000
a lot and I know that uh we've been

1377
01:02:05,640 --> 01:02:08,680
talking about it Paul's extremely

1378
01:02:07,000 --> 01:02:10,039
familiar with it and he's you know he

1379
01:02:08,680 --> 01:02:12,160
pointed out a lot of the things that's

1380
01:02:10,039 --> 01:02:14,520
gone into a you know the the

1381
01:02:12,160 --> 01:02:16,760
complications of it but I mean also you

1382
01:02:14,520 --> 01:02:18,799
know we now have Mr mosa he's in place

1383
01:02:16,760 --> 01:02:21,520
he wasn't here really a year ago he's

1384
01:02:18,799 --> 01:02:23,039
aware of it so I think these are all

1385
01:02:21,520 --> 01:02:25,680
good problems to have much like with the

1386
01:02:23,039 --> 01:02:28,400
pool you know how to have it but um but

1387
01:02:25,680 --> 01:02:31,640
we really should get ahead of it too

1388
01:02:28,400 --> 01:02:33,200
right so but so the the leagues and all

1389
01:02:31,640 --> 01:02:36,160
the other things coming in they will be

1390
01:02:33,200 --> 01:02:37,880
paying to use supports I would think

1391
01:02:36,160 --> 01:02:41,160
that you would want everyone I mean we

1392
01:02:37,880 --> 01:02:42,680
have you know Mr D sitting right here

1393
01:02:41,160 --> 01:02:45,319
right and you know we're all involved in

1394
01:02:42,680 --> 01:02:47,400
the golf course and that we there is no

1395
01:02:45,319 --> 01:02:49,480
you know you pay missa High School comes

1396
01:02:47,400 --> 01:02:52,160
to play there they pay high school comes

1397
01:02:49,480 --> 01:02:54,039
you pay a league comes they pay it's

1398
01:02:52,160 --> 01:02:55,279
just like a Parks amenity we put just as

1399
01:02:54,039 --> 01:02:58,359
much money in we're putting a lot of

1400
01:02:55,279 --> 01:03:00,039
public money into this facility so if

1401
01:02:58,359 --> 01:03:01,799
the city was to use it as a resource

1402
01:03:00,039 --> 01:03:03,319
that generated Revenue I wouldn't hold

1403
01:03:01,799 --> 01:03:05,119
that against us but if you were to say

1404
01:03:03,319 --> 01:03:06,520
we're public and this is a public park

1405
01:03:05,119 --> 01:03:08,279
and this is what you want I can see it

1406
01:03:06,520 --> 01:03:11,520
that way it depends on how you really

1407
01:03:08,279 --> 01:03:14,200
want to to view the facility and its use

1408
01:03:11,520 --> 01:03:16,319
um you know I don't think other entities

1409
01:03:14,200 --> 01:03:19,119
should be using this to save them or

1410
01:03:16,319 --> 01:03:21,039
make themselves money right that's right

1411
01:03:19,119 --> 01:03:22,960
like an instructor we've had this

1412
01:03:21,039 --> 01:03:24,720
conversation I mean like someone doing

1413
01:03:22,960 --> 01:03:26,359
private lessons or something corre and

1414
01:03:24,720 --> 01:03:28,720
school districts have budet as large as

1415
01:03:26,359 --> 01:03:31,119
a city of skty so if they're looking at

1416
01:03:28,720 --> 01:03:33,799
this as some way to save a line item on

1417
01:03:31,119 --> 01:03:36,760
a budget is that really is appropriate

1418
01:03:33,799 --> 01:03:39,160
it should be probably not um but if a

1419
01:03:36,760 --> 01:03:41,640
Community member and a city taxpayer who

1420
01:03:39,160 --> 01:03:42,880
lives by Central Park or not wants to go

1421
01:03:41,640 --> 01:03:45,240
play

1422
01:03:42,880 --> 01:03:47,319
tennis go play tennis right or we

1423
01:03:45,240 --> 01:03:48,680
determine that that's not the seven you

1424
01:03:47,319 --> 01:03:50,520
know there was also the conversation

1425
01:03:48,680 --> 01:03:52,000
those aren't the 18 courts to play this

1426
01:03:50,520 --> 01:03:53,559
kind of tennis we just made the

1427
01:03:52,000 --> 01:03:55,039
investment into you know Fair viiew

1428
01:03:53,559 --> 01:03:57,799
that's tennis we can look at doing it in

1429
01:03:55,039 --> 01:03:59,079
sment and trying to do that there so you

1430
01:03:57,799 --> 01:04:01,720
could you know make some kind of thing

1431
01:03:59,079 --> 01:04:03,440
up that says that this 18 just like the

1432
01:04:01,720 --> 01:04:04,960
golf course this is our professional

1433
01:04:03,440 --> 01:04:07,760
court if you want to play on these

1434
01:04:04,960 --> 01:04:11,960
courts you got to you know give a little

1435
01:04:07,760 --> 01:04:16,319
more right so that's up to I I would

1436
01:04:11,960 --> 01:04:18,200
think table table Mr Williams I'll add

1437
01:04:16,319 --> 01:04:20,599
two comments the first of which is uh I

1438
01:04:18,200 --> 01:04:22,559
appreciate Mr D being here and all all

1439
01:04:20,599 --> 01:04:25,119
that he does with the golf course from

1440
01:04:22,559 --> 01:04:26,520
your perspective is there any uh

1441
01:04:25,119 --> 01:04:28,520
infrastructure that's currently in place

1442
01:04:26,520 --> 01:04:31,200
for us to leverage to trial something

1443
01:04:28,520 --> 01:04:34,760
like this with Associated fees with the

1444
01:04:31,200 --> 01:04:36,880
uses of these types of reinvestments and

1445
01:04:34,760 --> 01:04:38,640
specifically the tennis courts is you do

1446
01:04:36,880 --> 01:04:40,680
it very well and I imagine it didn't

1447
01:04:38,640 --> 01:04:42,760
happen by chance and it's required a lot

1448
01:04:40,680 --> 01:04:44,279
of years of understanding and then

1449
01:04:42,760 --> 01:04:45,440
adjusting and you talking about with the

1450
01:04:44,279 --> 01:04:48,119
golf course

1451
01:04:45,440 --> 01:04:49,680
correct not to the same extent but no I

1452
01:04:48,119 --> 01:04:51,559
I guess what the issue is is that you

1453
01:04:49,680 --> 01:04:54,000
have to remember this is

1454
01:04:51,559 --> 01:04:55,200
why you know I don't know how to say on

1455
01:04:54,000 --> 01:04:57,640
a certain way this is why there aren't

1456
01:04:55,200 --> 01:04:59,119
as many clubs in existence anymore right

1457
01:04:57,640 --> 01:05:01,400
is because the business model doesn't

1458
01:04:59,119 --> 01:05:03,520
work for everything we're fortunate here

1459
01:05:01,400 --> 01:05:06,079
at the city to have a golf course and

1460
01:05:03,520 --> 01:05:09,279
facility that we can use to actually

1461
01:05:06,079 --> 01:05:11,480
make money pay for employees and

1462
01:05:09,279 --> 01:05:13,000
generate that kind of a revenue to put

1463
01:05:11,480 --> 01:05:15,440
that kind of a revenue structure in

1464
01:05:13,000 --> 01:05:17,319
place at the tennis court may be

1465
01:05:15,440 --> 01:05:20,000
possible but you're talking about fees

1466
01:05:17,319 --> 01:05:23,079
to pay that may not be as feasible and

1467
01:05:20,000 --> 01:05:24,359
you might not see the the utilization go

1468
01:05:23,079 --> 01:05:25,880
to where you want you know cuz you're

1469
01:05:24,359 --> 01:05:26,960
talking about okay to have someone there

1470
01:05:25,880 --> 01:05:28,599
we're going to need a Central Park

1471
01:05:26,960 --> 01:05:29,839
tennis manager and that Central Park

1472
01:05:28,599 --> 01:05:31,240
tennis manager is going to need some

1473
01:05:29,839 --> 01:05:32,760
kind of a part-time assistant for when

1474
01:05:31,240 --> 01:05:34,559
he's not there and then that's going to

1475
01:05:32,760 --> 01:05:36,720
need a little area to collect fees you

1476
01:05:34,559 --> 01:05:38,799
know and and you go down that that that

1477
01:05:36,720 --> 01:05:41,480
road of it I think we've talked about

1478
01:05:38,799 --> 01:05:42,640
this before the fees the fees add up and

1479
01:05:41,480 --> 01:05:46,160
now all of a sudden if you're trying to

1480
01:05:42,640 --> 01:05:47,960
recoup that there already a perc the

1481
01:05:46,160 --> 01:05:52,359
council pass it a few years

1482
01:05:47,960 --> 01:05:53,359
ago for the for the chance yes so who's

1483
01:05:52,359 --> 01:05:55,799
collecting the

1484
01:05:53,359 --> 01:05:57,880
revenue collect Revenue because the

1485
01:05:55,799 --> 01:06:00,160
person out there like Chris mentioned

1486
01:05:57,880 --> 01:06:02,799
we're paying 1550 hour for that person

1487
01:06:00,160 --> 01:06:02,799
stand to

1488
01:06:06,200 --> 01:06:10,400
collect unless she want to raise fees to

1489
01:06:08,760 --> 01:06:13,079
cover the cost of the person standing

1490
01:06:10,400 --> 01:06:15,480
there and then it comes do you want to

1491
01:06:13,079 --> 01:06:18,960
come up here than you want me to answer

1492
01:06:15,480 --> 01:06:18,960
the question I'll come up come on

1493
01:06:23,359 --> 01:06:27,559
up I got to introduce him for some

1494
01:06:25,400 --> 01:06:27,559
reason

1495
01:06:30,279 --> 01:06:33,720
we do have a fee schedule for tennis at

1496
01:06:31,960 --> 01:06:37,359
Central Park in Central

1497
01:06:33,720 --> 01:06:39,640
Park Jerry barell Park uh Michigan

1498
01:06:37,359 --> 01:06:42,079
Avenue um there are no fees for any

1499
01:06:39,640 --> 01:06:44,440
other part for tennis other than Central

1500
01:06:42,079 --> 01:06:45,880
Park we did try to implement we did put

1501
01:06:44,440 --> 01:06:49,520
seasonals out there when we first

1502
01:06:45,880 --> 01:06:52,279
implemented the fees the problem is

1503
01:06:49,520 --> 01:06:55,039
um paying cash to seasonal employes is

1504
01:06:52,279 --> 01:06:56,039
not a good thing in the park okay the

1505
01:06:55,039 --> 01:06:57,599
other is

1506
01:06:56,039 --> 01:06:59,720
um it becomes an enforcement when

1507
01:06:57,599 --> 01:07:02,359
somebody's out there they play their

1508
01:06:59,720 --> 01:07:05,200
hour um you got to collect another

1509
01:07:02,359 --> 01:07:07,559
$15 uh and they say no we play L

1510
01:07:05,200 --> 01:07:09,720
nobody's really here who we heard it so

1511
01:07:07,559 --> 01:07:12,599
it's very diff difficult difficult for a

1512
01:07:09,720 --> 01:07:14,520
you know a a youth to be out there 16 17

1513
01:07:12,599 --> 01:07:16,240
years old trying to collect the fee from

1514
01:07:14,520 --> 01:07:17,799
somebody who you know they're not going

1515
01:07:16,240 --> 01:07:19,000
to get in an argument and we're

1516
01:07:17,799 --> 01:07:20,400
collecting the fee the less of them

1517
01:07:19,000 --> 01:07:23,200
we're paying the person who's trying to

1518
01:07:20,400 --> 01:07:24,240
collect the fee so it's not a good

1519
01:07:23,200 --> 01:07:28,039
business

1520
01:07:24,240 --> 01:07:30,119
model so when so but so can we we should

1521
01:07:28,039 --> 01:07:31,839
start focusing then on the groups that

1522
01:07:30,119 --> 01:07:34,079
are using the USA and all the other

1523
01:07:31,839 --> 01:07:35,839
groups because then they have to

1524
01:07:34,079 --> 01:07:37,240
schedule it in order to use it so

1525
01:07:35,839 --> 01:07:39,200
there's a place that we could definitely

1526
01:07:37,240 --> 01:07:41,520
be put a model in place where they have

1527
01:07:39,200 --> 01:07:44,839
to pay us at a time to use it and their

1528
01:07:41,520 --> 01:07:46,200
time is blocked out Etc and that would

1529
01:07:44,839 --> 01:07:48,039
that could be something that could be

1530
01:07:46,200 --> 01:07:49,279
put forth to the council to approve if

1531
01:07:48,039 --> 01:07:51,680
you want to set a fee schedule for

1532
01:07:49,279 --> 01:07:53,680
tournaments or different things yes

1533
01:07:51,680 --> 01:07:55,760
absolutely I I and we have to collect

1534
01:07:53,680 --> 01:07:58,000
some funds

1535
01:07:55,760 --> 01:08:01,720
that that fee scheduled yeah I think it

1536
01:07:58,000 --> 01:08:04,720
was done I want to say 22 or somewhere

1537
01:08:01,720 --> 01:08:08,920
21 I know but the enforcement pieces

1538
01:08:04,720 --> 01:08:12,039
yeah and yes and we're paying more to

1539
01:08:08,920 --> 01:08:14,079
collect less so it does make sense it is

1540
01:08:12,039 --> 01:08:16,000
it is a conundrum because even thinking

1541
01:08:14,079 --> 01:08:18,960
about uh we had health and Recreation

1542
01:08:16,000 --> 01:08:22,279
had a meeting and talked about pool fees

1543
01:08:18,960 --> 01:08:24,120
um and similar issues arose in terms of

1544
01:08:22,279 --> 01:08:25,960
you know who's collecting the fees do we

1545
01:08:24,120 --> 01:08:27,759
really want to put a young person which

1546
01:08:25,960 --> 01:08:29,960
is basically what we hire for our

1547
01:08:27,759 --> 01:08:31,040
seasonal employees in the position of

1548
01:08:29,960 --> 01:08:33,640
you know are they going to get into an

1549
01:08:31,040 --> 01:08:36,120
argument with someone I mean so it is it

1550
01:08:33,640 --> 01:08:39,440
is sort of a complex it's not just a

1551
01:08:36,120 --> 01:08:41,120
simple black and white issue um but I

1552
01:08:39,440 --> 01:08:42,960
think that we probably would have to you

1553
01:08:41,120 --> 01:08:45,040
know look not everybody comes with cash

1554
01:08:42,960 --> 01:08:48,359
in their pocket to play

1555
01:08:45,040 --> 01:08:50,640
tennis right and so you have to do it on

1556
01:08:48,359 --> 01:08:52,640
a card have somebody with a phone that

1557
01:08:50,640 --> 01:08:55,159
can do a card so it's that's right some

1558
01:08:52,640 --> 01:08:56,719
sort of Technology here uh at City at

1559
01:08:55,159 --> 01:08:58,640
City Hall where they come here and they

1560
01:08:56,719 --> 01:09:00,000
get some sort of pass or something it's

1561
01:08:58,640 --> 01:09:01,679
the same with the you know talk we

1562
01:09:00,000 --> 01:09:03,719
talked a little bit about those kinds of

1563
01:09:01,679 --> 01:09:06,359
things around the pool as well so looks

1564
01:09:03,719 --> 01:09:08,279
like we might have to invite you guys

1565
01:09:06,359 --> 01:09:10,040
and and reconvene uh health and

1566
01:09:08,279 --> 01:09:13,120
Recreation to kind of look at some of

1567
01:09:10,040 --> 01:09:13,120
these as well to make some

1568
01:09:13,960 --> 01:09:18,319
recommendations I would agree with that

1569
01:09:18,400 --> 01:09:22,040
back I would agree with that but again I

1570
01:09:20,839 --> 01:09:24,679
think that we should definitely put

1571
01:09:22,040 --> 01:09:26,120
something in place and if that you said

1572
01:09:24,679 --> 01:09:27,560
we already have something but now we're

1573
01:09:26,120 --> 01:09:29,279
talking about investing quite a bit of

1574
01:09:27,560 --> 01:09:31,080
money into the tennis courts and listen

1575
01:09:29,279 --> 01:09:32,719
I play tennis so it's not like I'm not

1576
01:09:31,080 --> 01:09:35,759
you know it's not going to impact me

1577
01:09:32,719 --> 01:09:37,199
it's okay um because it's something that

1578
01:09:35,759 --> 01:09:39,080
you know people want to do but if we're

1579
01:09:37,199 --> 01:09:40,679
people coming from all over and this is

1580
01:09:39,080 --> 01:09:42,799
like a state-of art place then we should

1581
01:09:40,679 --> 01:09:44,839
have something in place for tournaments

1582
01:09:42,799 --> 01:09:47,319
um and groups that are coming in to you

1583
01:09:44,839 --> 01:09:49,120
know bring a lot of people in to play to

1584
01:09:47,319 --> 01:09:50,920
to to to then some of the tournaments

1585
01:09:49,120 --> 01:09:53,239
right now with the courts being as they

1586
01:09:50,920 --> 01:09:54,960
are um we still get quite a bit of

1587
01:09:53,239 --> 01:09:55,880
people so I can imagine that we get even

1588
01:09:54,960 --> 01:09:57,640
more

1589
01:09:55,880 --> 01:09:59,239
when this happened so that is something

1590
01:09:57,640 --> 01:10:01,840
I I think that we um definitely need

1591
01:09:59,239 --> 01:10:02,920
focus on and the recreation advisory

1592
01:10:01,840 --> 01:10:05,400
committee I think is something that

1593
01:10:02,920 --> 01:10:07,760
really needs to be conven reconvened so

1594
01:10:05,400 --> 01:10:10,600
that we could get some input and some

1595
01:10:07,760 --> 01:10:12,080
assistance with that as well we do need

1596
01:10:10,600 --> 01:10:13,920
to do that I was actually talking about

1597
01:10:12,080 --> 01:10:15,280
City council's Health and Recreation

1598
01:10:13,920 --> 01:10:17,199
committee but I agree with you that we

1599
01:10:15,280 --> 01:10:20,960
also still need the recreation advisory

1600
01:10:17,199 --> 01:10:24,800
committee as well yeah from the

1601
01:10:20,960 --> 01:10:26,520
public I'm next again Mr Williams I

1602
01:10:24,800 --> 01:10:28,239
second question the one thing I've

1603
01:10:26,520 --> 01:10:30,719
always appreciate about SK was its

1604
01:10:28,239 --> 01:10:33,600
openness to different or emerging sports

1605
01:10:30,719 --> 01:10:36,000
like talking about U disc golf which I'm

1606
01:10:33,600 --> 01:10:38,600
not good at and I accept that um but

1607
01:10:36,000 --> 01:10:40,480
with respect respect to tennis um I

1608
01:10:38,600 --> 01:10:42,120
think to again to miss P's point about

1609
01:10:40,480 --> 01:10:44,120
being responsive to just our emerging

1610
01:10:42,120 --> 01:10:46,640
pickle ball Community do you think that

1611
01:10:44,120 --> 01:10:48,760
that would be a nonstarter of a question

1612
01:10:46,640 --> 01:10:51,360
going back to the US and asking if

1613
01:10:48,760 --> 01:10:52,640
they're considerate to that but I

1614
01:10:51,360 --> 01:10:54,400
wouldn't want you to do what at the

1615
01:10:52,640 --> 01:10:55,920
expense to the project moving forward

1616
01:10:54,400 --> 01:10:57,960
because I understand and making that

1617
01:10:55,920 --> 01:11:00,280
investment it would be to prioritize

1618
01:10:57,960 --> 01:11:03,040
tennis um but I would hate for us to do

1619
01:11:00,280 --> 01:11:05,080
this entire revamp absent any

1620
01:11:03,040 --> 01:11:08,239
considerations or other destinations

1621
01:11:05,080 --> 01:11:11,480
within the city for us to make other

1622
01:11:08,239 --> 01:11:14,040
Investments Mr Man again the US ten

1623
01:11:11,480 --> 01:11:16,640
Association wants those courts strip to

1624
01:11:14,040 --> 01:11:18,679
the professional standard for tenis

1625
01:11:16,640 --> 01:11:21,000
we've made major investments in

1626
01:11:18,679 --> 01:11:23,800
Hillhurst Park where we put pickle ball

1627
01:11:21,000 --> 01:11:26,880
courts in so again we are trying to

1628
01:11:23,800 --> 01:11:28,640
support that uh to look at the demand

1629
01:11:26,880 --> 01:11:32,040
are there other options you know at

1630
01:11:28,640 --> 01:11:35,320
Steinman park it

1631
01:11:32,040 --> 01:11:37,560
uh it don't know about Michigan Avenue

1632
01:11:35,320 --> 01:11:40,480
and I don't know about Jerry Burell

1633
01:11:37,560 --> 01:11:43,560
Jerry Burell is like Four Courts like

1634
01:11:40,480 --> 01:11:45,760
it's it's very small

1635
01:11:43,560 --> 01:11:48,360
right some of these I don't think you

1636
01:11:45,760 --> 01:11:51,040
get 500 people to show up in fact you

1637
01:11:48,360 --> 01:11:53,199
want you know the availability of courts

1638
01:11:51,040 --> 01:11:55,760
that are convenient and are in the

1639
01:11:53,199 --> 01:11:58,520
different neighborhoods so that uh

1640
01:11:55,760 --> 01:12:00,480
uh again they can be utilized and the

1641
01:11:58,520 --> 01:12:02,920
ones in the neighborhood like that you

1642
01:12:00,480 --> 01:12:05,840
can dual stripe it so you could play

1643
01:12:02,920 --> 01:12:06,520
tennis on it and play pickle ball on it

1644
01:12:05,840 --> 01:12:11,639
the

1645
01:12:06,520 --> 01:12:14,639
real uh Tennis Pros and they don't want

1646
01:12:11,639 --> 01:12:16,960
the secondary striping for the pickle

1647
01:12:14,639 --> 01:12:19,639
ball then I say is there any abilities

1648
01:12:16,960 --> 01:12:21,080
to put like better than makesi signing

1649
01:12:19,639 --> 01:12:22,440
so that it shows the pickle ball

1650
01:12:21,080 --> 01:12:23,560
community that we are considerate and

1651
01:12:22,440 --> 01:12:24,840
that there are other locations

1652
01:12:23,560 --> 01:12:28,480
throughout the community at those

1653
01:12:24,840 --> 01:12:31,960
locations where they could still conre

1654
01:12:28,480 --> 01:12:33,440
at possibly uh I I think the big thing

1655
01:12:31,960 --> 01:12:35,639
would be something like along the lines

1656
01:12:33,440 --> 01:12:37,800
of styman Park so look the mayor spoke

1657
01:12:35,639 --> 01:12:39,880
about um we are trying to

1658
01:12:37,800 --> 01:12:41,920
allocate um some of the funding that we

1659
01:12:39,880 --> 01:12:43,880
have left over with the arpa under a

1660
01:12:41,920 --> 01:12:45,560
Paving contract to revamp that and one

1661
01:12:43,880 --> 01:12:46,880
of the things with pickle ball with

1662
01:12:45,560 --> 01:12:49,360
tennis that's kind of unique is that you

1663
01:12:46,880 --> 01:12:52,480
can fit multiple pickle ball courts onto

1664
01:12:49,360 --> 01:12:55,360
a tennis so from a utilization

1665
01:12:52,480 --> 01:12:58,120
standpoint it would be better for the

1666
01:12:55,360 --> 01:13:00,120
city to put four pickle ball courts in

1667
01:12:58,120 --> 01:13:02,600
the footprint of One tennis court than

1668
01:13:00,120 --> 01:13:04,600
to take up a tennis court with one

1669
01:13:02,600 --> 01:13:07,719
pickle ball court because usually you're

1670
01:13:04,600 --> 01:13:09,080
just kind of fitting it in you know with

1671
01:13:07,719 --> 01:13:11,440
the with the kitchen and everything it's

1672
01:13:09,080 --> 01:13:13,199
just much smaller so the net is overly

1673
01:13:11,440 --> 01:13:16,120
sized whereas I've seen the layouts of

1674
01:13:13,199 --> 01:13:17,880
how you can really do it um and how the

1675
01:13:16,120 --> 01:13:19,800
foot Port works so you know I would

1676
01:13:17,880 --> 01:13:21,159
think that styman is our next example

1677
01:13:19,800 --> 01:13:23,120
where we could try to put four pickle

1678
01:13:21,159 --> 01:13:25,120
ball courts there and we always try to

1679
01:13:23,120 --> 01:13:26,199
put a uh a basketball court something

1680
01:13:25,120 --> 01:13:29,480
something like that there so I think

1681
01:13:26,199 --> 01:13:31,560
that's the idea we have there um and

1682
01:13:29,480 --> 01:13:33,400
then you know there was the conversation

1683
01:13:31,560 --> 01:13:35,000
of you know one of these times when we

1684
01:13:33,400 --> 01:13:36,760
get the parks advisory committee

1685
01:13:35,000 --> 01:13:38,960
together we really need to talk the

1686
01:13:36,760 --> 01:13:41,080
Riverside Park um and what ended up

1687
01:13:38,960 --> 01:13:42,920
happening there because we've lost those

1688
01:13:41,080 --> 01:13:44,719
facilities so I I think really we just

1689
01:13:42,920 --> 01:13:46,239
have to look and this is something that

1690
01:13:44,719 --> 01:13:48,719
Paul and I have talked about with uh

1691
01:13:46,239 --> 01:13:50,760
with Bill MAA is just about taking back

1692
01:13:48,719 --> 01:13:53,960
some of our facilities that we had and

1693
01:13:50,760 --> 01:13:55,960
reimagining some of it because if we did

1694
01:13:53,960 --> 01:13:57,960
have Simon's Park back to what it was

1695
01:13:55,960 --> 01:14:00,840
and we did have Riverside Park back to

1696
01:13:57,960 --> 01:14:02,360
what it was and some of um you know J BR

1697
01:14:00,840 --> 01:14:03,600
we just redid but we did not put the

1698
01:14:02,360 --> 01:14:05,960
pickle ball there you know our

1699
01:14:03,600 --> 01:14:07,520
facilities would you know increase and

1700
01:14:05,960 --> 01:14:09,239
we would have be able to spread that out

1701
01:14:07,520 --> 01:14:12,400
and I think the mayor's point is a valid

1702
01:14:09,239 --> 01:14:13,800
one that um we have one pickle ball

1703
01:14:12,400 --> 01:14:15,280
complex that we spent quite a bit on

1704
01:14:13,800 --> 01:14:18,120
that came out fantastic but it would be

1705
01:14:15,280 --> 01:14:19,960
just nice to have that courts around the

1706
01:14:18,120 --> 01:14:22,239
area for people who just want to play

1707
01:14:19,960 --> 01:14:24,520
not everything needs to be tournament

1708
01:14:22,239 --> 01:14:25,800
ready um I think there is some value in

1709
01:14:24,520 --> 01:14:28,520
just having neigh would be able to come

1710
01:14:25,800 --> 01:14:31,080
out and play ble ball yeah Mr Williams

1711
01:14:28,520 --> 01:14:32,520
and just a clarifying comment is just

1712
01:14:31,080 --> 01:14:35,040
making sure we have appropriate

1713
01:14:32,520 --> 01:14:36,560
considerations to as in our intent but

1714
01:14:35,040 --> 01:14:38,719
also the implementation because what I

1715
01:14:36,560 --> 01:14:40,239
would hate to see is tennis players

1716
01:14:38,719 --> 01:14:41,560
kicking pickle ball players off the

1717
01:14:40,239 --> 01:14:43,239
courts so I just wanted to be

1718
01:14:41,560 --> 01:14:44,960
communicated appropriately that we're

1719
01:14:43,239 --> 01:14:47,000
saying there are better areas in this in

1720
01:14:44,960 --> 01:14:49,360
the city suited for this activity not

1721
01:14:47,000 --> 01:14:54,080
that we don't want you in

1722
01:14:49,360 --> 01:14:55,159
Sp okay any any Miss pille thanks and

1723
01:14:54,080 --> 01:14:56,840
just for the record I'm still still

1724
01:14:55,159 --> 01:14:59,440
advocating for at least one dedicated

1725
01:14:56,840 --> 01:15:01,560
pickleball court at and and and I I

1726
01:14:59,440 --> 01:15:03,159
don't proba a problem M for that because

1727
01:15:01,560 --> 01:15:05,480
um there's pickle balls are growing

1728
01:15:03,159 --> 01:15:07,679
sport people play a lot and a lot of

1729
01:15:05,480 --> 01:15:11,280
people who live in the city um play the

1730
01:15:07,679 --> 01:15:13,440
court at Central Park at this conf yes

1731
01:15:11,280 --> 01:15:15,760
I'm pushing I for one dedicated one I

1732
01:15:13,440 --> 01:15:17,679
that would be my ask um I've heard from

1733
01:15:15,760 --> 01:15:19,480
people we actually had a tournament up

1734
01:15:17,679 --> 01:15:21,080
there where they had to fix it and you

1735
01:15:19,480 --> 01:15:23,080
know like I'll talk with Jenny about

1736
01:15:21,080 --> 01:15:25,560
that and to fit four into one so I just

1737
01:15:23,080 --> 01:15:27,080
want to you know it's been people have

1738
01:15:25,560 --> 01:15:28,960
mentioned it to me so I'm going to bring

1739
01:15:27,080 --> 01:15:31,080
it forward that if we could and and

1740
01:15:28,960 --> 01:15:34,400
hopefully USA would

1741
01:15:31,080 --> 01:15:37,320
understand um but one d c Court that's

1742
01:15:34,400 --> 01:15:38,800
my ask and I will just close the

1743
01:15:37,320 --> 01:15:42,840
conversation by saying that the pickle

1744
01:15:38,800 --> 01:15:44,679
ball Courts at Hillside are um are great

1745
01:15:42,840 --> 01:15:47,000
I mean so I mean I don't play but I've

1746
01:15:44,679 --> 01:15:48,719
been up to see them um they really came

1747
01:15:47,000 --> 01:15:51,400
out nice so I appreciate the work on

1748
01:15:48,719 --> 01:15:54,159
that too and I think that the the core

1749
01:15:51,400 --> 01:15:56,000
you know sort of pickle ball players are

1750
01:15:54,159 --> 01:15:58,239
really excited about about it and and

1751
01:15:56,000 --> 01:16:00,080
enjoy using that facility as well so I

1752
01:15:58,239 --> 01:16:02,679
just want to make sure the public hears

1753
01:16:00,080 --> 01:16:04,719
that there are there are those courts um

1754
01:16:02,679 --> 01:16:07,679
in

1755
01:16:04,719 --> 01:16:11,639
place

1756
01:16:07,679 --> 01:16:15,080
okay anything else okay thank you Mr W

1757
01:16:11,639 --> 01:16:17,239
next item is also for Mr Madam chair I

1758
01:16:15,080 --> 01:16:21,400
think you need to vote this out at a

1759
01:16:17,239 --> 01:16:24,159
committee for the sorry thank you uh so

1760
01:16:21,400 --> 01:16:25,760
may I get a motion to uh authorize the

1761
01:16:24,159 --> 01:16:27,920
mayor to enter into to an agreement with

1762
01:16:25,760 --> 01:16:30,360
USA Eastern for the rehabilitation of

1763
01:16:27,920 --> 01:16:32,520
the city of skan Central Park and

1764
01:16:30,360 --> 01:16:34,800
Michigan Avenue uh Michigan Avenue

1765
01:16:32,520 --> 01:16:37,480
tennis facilities given that what the

1766
01:16:34,800 --> 01:16:38,800
caveat the ask or consideration for

1767
01:16:37,480 --> 01:16:41,120
additional Court not that that would be

1768
01:16:38,800 --> 01:16:44,120
holding up just to see if there was an

1769
01:16:41,120 --> 01:16:48,000
opportunity for the one cour

1770
01:16:44,120 --> 01:16:49,560
yes second all in favor I thank you

1771
01:16:48,000 --> 01:16:54,520
thank you for that reminder okay the

1772
01:16:49,560 --> 01:16:56,719
next item is the um ABAC for the grout

1773
01:16:54,520 --> 01:16:59,920
Park improvements to Carver Construction

1774
01:16:56,719 --> 01:16:59,920
Incorporated in the amount of

1775
01:17:03,120 --> 01:17:09,480
$43,500 th000 was allocated for

1776
01:17:05,960 --> 01:17:12,960
improvements to grout Park last year

1777
01:17:09,480 --> 01:17:15,840
um the park improvements centered around

1778
01:17:12,960 --> 01:17:17,360
the ability to play pickle uh cricket

1779
01:17:15,840 --> 01:17:19,360
I'm sorry talking pickle ball play

1780
01:17:17,360 --> 01:17:22,800
cricket um at the field which is the

1781
01:17:19,360 --> 01:17:25,600
city's primary Cricket field location um

1782
01:17:22,800 --> 01:17:27,800
we worked with uh the the cricket

1783
01:17:25,600 --> 01:17:30,360
Community uh a couple groups that run it

1784
01:17:27,800 --> 01:17:32,320
with Mr MAA who is also very involved

1785
01:17:30,360 --> 01:17:35,880
with the cricket Community um put

1786
01:17:32,320 --> 01:17:38,719
together a bid package to mostly clear

1787
01:17:35,880 --> 01:17:43,000
grade and make the facility um just

1788
01:17:38,719 --> 01:17:45,960
larger and more open um there also is um

1789
01:17:43,000 --> 01:17:47,639
some synthetic wickets in there so that

1790
01:17:45,960 --> 01:17:49,639
the turf doesn't get degraded as you'll

1791
01:17:47,639 --> 01:17:51,480
see uh on a lot of the areas where we

1792
01:17:49,639 --> 01:17:55,440
play is the the pitch and all that gets

1793
01:17:51,480 --> 01:17:58,280
really worn down um we bid this project

1794
01:17:55,440 --> 01:18:00,360
um got seven bids I believe the bids

1795
01:17:58,280 --> 01:18:02,280
range from the Carver low that you have

1796
01:18:00,360 --> 01:18:06,120
to almost $1.2

1797
01:18:02,280 --> 01:18:08,440
million um the bid did exceed um the

1798
01:18:06,120 --> 01:18:11,000
original arpa allocation however what

1799
01:18:08,440 --> 01:18:12,679
I'm proposing is moving um some

1800
01:18:11,000 --> 01:18:16,239
remaining balance from the hill Hurst

1801
01:18:12,679 --> 01:18:18,560
pool project that was uh granted

1802
01:18:16,239 --> 01:18:20,840
$250,000 I believe in arpa funding to

1803
01:18:18,560 --> 01:18:25,560
cover that so that we can move forward

1804
01:18:20,840 --> 01:18:27,560
with the project in grout Park questions

1805
01:18:25,560 --> 01:18:30,719
M portfield so I know that you want to

1806
01:18:27,560 --> 01:18:32,520
move the um so the The Proposal is to

1807
01:18:30,719 --> 01:18:34,719
move the money because you just um talk

1808
01:18:32,520 --> 01:18:36,199
about why you're really comfortable um

1809
01:18:34,719 --> 01:18:40,480
being able to move that money from the

1810
01:18:36,199 --> 01:18:42,040
pool um sure so um the council set aside

1811
01:18:40,480 --> 01:18:44,320
money as we all know the hill Hurst Park

1812
01:18:42,040 --> 01:18:47,400
Pool um has been having issues for quite

1813
01:18:44,320 --> 01:18:49,400
some time primarily around um water just

1814
01:18:47,400 --> 01:18:50,960
leaving the pool we we lose water a lot

1815
01:18:49,400 --> 01:18:53,280
of water in that pool we hired a

1816
01:18:50,960 --> 01:18:55,239
consultant to evaluate the pool the

1817
01:18:53,280 --> 01:18:59,239
evaluation of the pool proved that the

1818
01:18:55,239 --> 01:19:01,840
repairs to um to fix the leak were well

1819
01:18:59,239 --> 01:19:04,040
in excess of $500,000 if not a million

1820
01:19:01,840 --> 01:19:05,520
dollar due to the the structural and

1821
01:19:04,040 --> 01:19:07,280
also we have some other issues with that

1822
01:19:05,520 --> 01:19:09,040
pool um just giv the date of it

1823
01:19:07,280 --> 01:19:11,239
electronically things like that with

1824
01:19:09,040 --> 01:19:13,080
some of our services so we did not have

1825
01:19:11,239 --> 01:19:14,440
the appropriate funding uh nor do we

1826
01:19:13,080 --> 01:19:17,440
think at the time was the best

1827
01:19:14,440 --> 01:19:20,760
investment to put that into that pool um

1828
01:19:17,440 --> 01:19:22,600
and the money um kind of sat um we had a

1829
01:19:20,760 --> 01:19:24,159
lot of arpa projects going on we were

1830
01:19:22,600 --> 01:19:26,320
working on Central Park Pool we were

1831
01:19:24,159 --> 01:19:27,880
working on sty you know there was

1832
01:19:26,320 --> 01:19:30,880
numerous projects city was work on so

1833
01:19:27,880 --> 01:19:33,639
that 200 essentially $20,000 balance for

1834
01:19:30,880 --> 01:19:36,159
the hill of HST pool sat and it was not

1835
01:19:33,639 --> 01:19:36,960
reallocated now that we're coming up on

1836
01:19:36,159 --> 01:19:40,000
the

1837
01:19:36,960 --> 01:19:42,639
31st um we have that and we had a need

1838
01:19:40,000 --> 01:19:44,280
here with grout Park so we thought that

1839
01:19:42,639 --> 01:19:47,120
it was the simplest thing to move the

1840
01:19:44,280 --> 01:19:49,760
one to the other so that we can do one

1841
01:19:47,120 --> 01:19:52,040
Park project uh uh and get it done and

1842
01:19:49,760 --> 01:19:54,239
then spend the money that was allocated

1843
01:19:52,040 --> 01:19:56,440
um it is from a park to a park which is

1844
01:19:54,239 --> 01:19:58,440
nice we are not investing into something

1845
01:19:56,440 --> 01:20:01,000
else other than a park so it is a public

1846
01:19:58,440 --> 01:20:03,040
amenity um but that is that's where we

1847
01:20:01,000 --> 01:20:06,920
we were with

1848
01:20:03,040 --> 01:20:08,400
that so looking at um this uh

1849
01:20:06,920 --> 01:20:11,360
spreadsheet that we were given for

1850
01:20:08,400 --> 01:20:14,520
Hillhurst Park um we did make still

1851
01:20:11,360 --> 01:20:15,760
significant Improvement at Hillhurst um

1852
01:20:14,520 --> 01:20:18,880
I I don't have that spreadsheet I'm

1853
01:20:15,760 --> 01:20:21,440
sorry it's right here sorry she has a

1854
01:20:18,880 --> 01:20:24,920
different spreadsheet oh that one okay

1855
01:20:21,440 --> 01:20:26,140
we have that one too

1856
01:20:24,920 --> 01:20:30,040
if you want

1857
01:20:26,140 --> 01:20:33,199
[Applause]

1858
01:20:30,040 --> 01:20:36,280
to doesn't outline for us what each of

1859
01:20:33,199 --> 01:20:36,280
these projects were

1860
01:20:36,560 --> 01:20:39,560
but

1861
01:20:40,239 --> 01:20:46,480
M yeah so I mean these were this is the

1862
01:20:44,280 --> 01:20:48,920
Hillhurst and Fairview Park project that

1863
01:20:46,480 --> 01:20:50,679
we're showing here that is a different

1864
01:20:48,920 --> 01:20:53,280
project so Hillhurst and Fairview Park

1865
01:20:50,679 --> 01:20:55,280
I'm sorry just took me a minute was the

1866
01:20:53,280 --> 01:20:57,800
pickle ball tennis

1867
01:20:55,280 --> 01:21:01,080
improvements with the basketball um so

1868
01:20:57,800 --> 01:21:04,480
this money was spent and allocated and

1869
01:21:01,080 --> 01:21:06,440
then the Hillhurst pool money was okay

1870
01:21:04,480 --> 01:21:08,400
so that was the ARA the arpa fund was

1871
01:21:06,440 --> 01:21:10,400
just for the Hillhurst pool they're just

1872
01:21:08,400 --> 01:21:11,960
I'm just checking they're both ARA but

1873
01:21:10,400 --> 01:21:13,400
you you have this one as well you have

1874
01:21:11,960 --> 01:21:15,440
another color coded

1875
01:21:13,400 --> 01:21:19,960
one

1876
01:21:15,440 --> 01:21:21,480
yeah yes yes sorry that's okay so this

1877
01:21:19,960 --> 01:21:22,800
is um she so you're talking about the

1878
01:21:21,480 --> 01:21:25,560
Hillhurst pool money right here at

1879
01:21:22,800 --> 01:21:28,360
Hillhurst pool that was the two 50,000

1880
01:21:25,560 --> 01:21:31,000
original allocation the other Hillhurst

1881
01:21:28,360 --> 01:21:34,400
fair viiew was a larger allocation

1882
01:21:31,000 --> 01:21:34,400
500,000 understand now

1883
01:21:35,440 --> 01:21:41,800
yes right so um you said there was

1884
01:21:38,199 --> 01:21:43,920
220,000 left and but you're only

1885
01:21:41,800 --> 01:21:46,280
needing or are you needing all of it let

1886
01:21:43,920 --> 01:21:48,920
me just ask like that okay most of the

1887
01:21:46,280 --> 01:21:51,960
boun about 210

1888
01:21:48,920 --> 01:21:53,280
okay and not to put you on the spot

1889
01:21:51,960 --> 01:21:55,320
there's a plan that we would be able to

1890
01:21:53,280 --> 01:21:57,760
spend the rest we don't want to

1891
01:21:55,320 --> 01:22:00,520
for you said we spend

1892
01:21:57,760 --> 01:22:02,280
210 I I I don't want to it's more of a

1893
01:22:00,520 --> 01:22:04,320
derck or Finance thing all of these

1894
01:22:02,280 --> 01:22:06,360
codes there's most likely there's going

1895
01:22:04,320 --> 01:22:08,000
to be some remainders in some of them

1896
01:22:06,360 --> 01:22:09,600
and I I think that's what we're trying

1897
01:22:08,000 --> 01:22:11,920
to develop is where some of that goes

1898
01:22:09,600 --> 01:22:14,239
because you know this is I can't I can't

1899
01:22:11,920 --> 01:22:16,760
make every number work to a penny so

1900
01:22:14,239 --> 01:22:19,040
this is the best route to take $220,000

1901
01:22:16,760 --> 01:22:20,480
and take approximately 210 to put it

1902
01:22:19,040 --> 01:22:22,960
towards this project there will be some

1903
01:22:20,480 --> 01:22:24,400
sort of a remainder um that may happen

1904
01:22:22,960 --> 01:22:27,960
on a couple of these projects that we

1905
01:22:24,400 --> 01:22:29,600
have have but um that's that's something

1906
01:22:27,960 --> 01:22:32,800
I think that we're working on is where

1907
01:22:29,600 --> 01:22:34,239
the remainder goes okay but I don't have

1908
01:22:32,800 --> 01:22:38,280
I don't have all the remainders added up

1909
01:22:34,239 --> 01:22:41,639
what that would be all right okay Mr T

1910
01:22:38,280 --> 01:22:43,320
thank you um the structure there is any

1911
01:22:41,639 --> 01:22:45,600
anything being done with the structure

1912
01:22:43,320 --> 01:22:48,719
that's being removed it's being removed

1913
01:22:45,600 --> 01:22:50,639
yes structure the power lines um many of

1914
01:22:48,719 --> 01:22:53,239
the trees uh the existing fences the

1915
01:22:50,639 --> 01:22:55,639
idea with this is that um Cricut really

1916
01:22:53,239 --> 01:22:56,880
just needs a very large area and so

1917
01:22:55,639 --> 01:22:59,320
we're trying to give them the

1918
01:22:56,880 --> 01:23:02,960
appropriate large areas that are flat

1919
01:22:59,320 --> 01:23:05,400
and playable uh so that they can have um

1920
01:23:02,960 --> 01:23:07,719
their leads there so that that's most of

1921
01:23:05,400 --> 01:23:09,920
most of this work is actually demolition

1922
01:23:07,719 --> 01:23:11,960
grading seeding um that's most of the

1923
01:23:09,920 --> 01:23:14,239
work which is why we got so many

1924
01:23:11,960 --> 01:23:16,080
interested biders because essentially

1925
01:23:14,239 --> 01:23:18,639
the barriers to entry were low a lot of

1926
01:23:16,080 --> 01:23:20,280
people can do work like this um and

1927
01:23:18,639 --> 01:23:23,040
Carver some work like this in the past

1928
01:23:20,280 --> 01:23:25,800
so we don't have any uh any reservations

1929
01:23:23,040 --> 01:23:27,280
about working with them okay okay if

1930
01:23:25,800 --> 01:23:28,960
there's not any other questions i'

1931
01:23:27,280 --> 01:23:30,000
entertain a motion to award this

1932
01:23:28,960 --> 01:23:33,719
contract to

1933
01:23:30,000 --> 01:23:36,520
Carver second all in favor I thank you

1934
01:23:33,719 --> 01:23:40,280
Mr W

1935
01:23:36,520 --> 01:23:44,520
thanks okay so the next that was it um

1936
01:23:40,280 --> 01:23:46,719
so call for um to come out of

1937
01:23:44,520 --> 01:23:51,360
Finance make a motion

1938
01:23:46,719 --> 01:23:53,600
to Second all in favor okay uh i' like

1939
01:23:51,360 --> 01:23:55,320
to call to order public service and

1940
01:23:53,600 --> 01:23:58,360
utilities we have four items on the

1941
01:23:55,320 --> 01:24:00,800
agenda tonight um all dealing with the

1942
01:23:58,360 --> 01:24:06,760
requests to purchase chemicals uh for

1943
01:24:00,800 --> 01:24:10,040
our water and waste water treatment

1944
01:24:06,760 --> 01:24:14,760
the hello again

1945
01:24:10,040 --> 01:24:17,560
hi the the first item um as the legisla

1946
01:24:14,760 --> 01:24:19,760
request form was the replenishment every

1947
01:24:17,560 --> 01:24:20,960
year as you know we buy chemicals for

1948
01:24:19,760 --> 01:24:23,880
the waste waterer treatment plant for

1949
01:24:20,960 --> 01:24:24,840
the water wells um and the first

1950
01:24:23,880 --> 01:24:28,199
chemical

1951
01:24:24,840 --> 01:24:29,639
um on is the chlorine gas for the water

1952
01:24:28,199 --> 01:24:34,480
wells uh for

1953
01:24:29,639 --> 01:24:36,159
disinfection um a low bid was um jci

1954
01:24:34,480 --> 01:24:40,480
Jones

1955
01:24:36,159 --> 01:24:44,760
um that increased $50 from last year per

1956
01:24:40,480 --> 01:24:46,719
cylinder so um that's about

1957
01:24:44,760 --> 01:24:50,840
18.25 th000

1958
01:24:46,719 --> 01:24:55,639
$188,000 more um for Corum gas in last

1959
01:24:50,840 --> 01:24:59,480
year um they were the low bid

1960
01:24:55,639 --> 01:25:02,960
and we do assume um 150 lb cylinder per

1961
01:24:59,480 --> 01:25:05,600
day is 365 days so that's how we price

1962
01:25:02,960 --> 01:25:09,520
it um last year because of the lack of

1963
01:25:05,600 --> 01:25:12,800
rain more water was used we we spent all

1964
01:25:09,520 --> 01:25:14,119
of that um it's really weather dependent

1965
01:25:12,800 --> 01:25:16,360
a lot of rain a lot of cold weather

1966
01:25:14,119 --> 01:25:18,840
people aren't using as much water but uh

1967
01:25:16,360 --> 01:25:20,280
typically we budget for um one cylinder

1968
01:25:18,840 --> 01:25:24,600
per

1969
01:25:20,280 --> 01:25:27,880
day any questions

1970
01:25:24,600 --> 01:25:27,880
have a motion

1971
01:25:29,679 --> 01:25:39,080
Mo the second um in

1972
01:25:34,480 --> 01:25:40,360
faor all in favor the V all in favor all

1973
01:25:39,080 --> 01:25:44,000
in

1974
01:25:40,360 --> 01:25:46,760
favor sorry the second uh legislative

1975
01:25:44,000 --> 01:25:48,400
request is for the purchase for Hydra

1976
01:25:46,760 --> 01:25:52,760
facil asset which is

1977
01:25:48,400 --> 01:25:55,719
for um was also bid um that price did

1978
01:25:52,760 --> 01:26:01,280
come down by 2 cents per pound over last

1979
01:25:55,719 --> 01:26:04,239
year um and uh you yes so we're going to

1980
01:26:01,280 --> 01:26:06,800
save about $3,000 there a savings is a

1981
01:26:04,239 --> 01:26:09,760
savings but it did come down 2 cents per

1982
01:26:06,800 --> 01:26:11,960
pound and that again is for the water

1983
01:26:09,760 --> 01:26:15,159
treatment any

1984
01:26:11,960 --> 01:26:15,159
questions a

1985
01:26:15,360 --> 01:26:19,840
motion clicking it all in favor

1986
01:26:22,320 --> 01:26:26,440
favor thether legislative request is

1987
01:26:25,000 --> 01:26:28,880
actually for the wastewater treatment

1988
01:26:26,440 --> 01:26:31,400
and that is for liquid sodium bisulfate

1989
01:26:28,880 --> 01:26:34,159
and that is to remove corline from the

1990
01:26:31,400 --> 01:26:37,840
waste stream uh prior to going into the

1991
01:26:34,159 --> 01:26:40,040
river um that bid came in exactly the

1992
01:26:37,840 --> 01:26:45,080
same as last year there's no change at

1993
01:26:40,040 --> 01:26:49,040
1.86 bir Gall that's great very nice any

1994
01:26:45,080 --> 01:26:50,840
questions have motion I'll second all in

1995
01:26:49,040 --> 01:26:54,400
favor

1996
01:26:50,840 --> 01:26:56,480
I the final legislative request is also

1997
01:26:54,400 --> 01:26:58,679
for the wastewater treatment plant it's

1998
01:26:56,480 --> 01:27:01,159
for sodium hypochloric which is um

1999
01:26:58,679 --> 01:27:04,000
chlorine uh but we use Liquid um at the

2000
01:27:01,159 --> 01:27:10,560
wastewater treatment plant that did come

2001
01:27:04,000 --> 01:27:12,360
in at um a188 last year um and it uh

2002
01:27:10,560 --> 01:27:14,560
it's 10 cents cheaper this year per

2003
01:27:12,360 --> 01:27:17,199
gallon so there's a savings there from

2004
01:27:14,560 --> 01:27:17,199
last year about

2005
01:27:17,280 --> 01:27:25,080
$15,500 um Bas on the same gaps we use

2006
01:27:20,840 --> 01:27:28,880
it so yeah very nice any any any Mar are

2007
01:27:25,080 --> 01:27:30,600
coming down I mean chlorine and and yeah

2008
01:27:28,880 --> 01:27:34,679
there's only a couple producers of

2009
01:27:30,600 --> 01:27:38,480
sodium hypoc chlorite um jci Jones and

2010
01:27:34,679 --> 01:27:42,000
um uh surpass chemicals surpass used to

2011
01:27:38,480 --> 01:27:43,800
produce now they buy out of Canada so um

2012
01:27:42,000 --> 01:27:46,760
a lot of these chemicals are just

2013
01:27:43,800 --> 01:27:48,280
not they're brought in quing gas Jones

2014
01:27:46,760 --> 01:27:51,400
chemicals pretty much dominates the

2015
01:27:48,280 --> 01:27:53,080
market on chlorine gas um years ago we

2016
01:27:51,400 --> 01:27:55,159
did one ton cylinders at the Wastewater

2017
01:27:53,080 --> 01:27:57,920
F plant but to

2018
01:27:55,159 --> 01:28:00,159
sodium so

2019
01:27:57,920 --> 01:28:06,800
thank any other

2020
01:28:00,159 --> 01:28:06,800
questions motion motion second all in

2021
01:28:09,400 --> 01:28:15,560
favor have a good evening thank you a

2022
01:28:12,840 --> 01:28:18,679
motion to leave public services and

2023
01:28:15,560 --> 01:28:21,679
utilities motion I'll

2024
01:28:18,679 --> 01:28:23,199
second hi thank you so we like to call

2025
01:28:21,679 --> 01:28:24,920
order Public Safety Committee we have

2026
01:28:23,199 --> 01:28:26,960
one item on the agenda tonight we're

2027
01:28:24,920 --> 01:28:30,719
going to add a second which is going to

2028
01:28:26,960 --> 01:28:32,840
be the reduction of City speed limit uh

2029
01:28:30,719 --> 01:28:36,480
the first is going to be a discussion to

2030
01:28:32,840 --> 01:28:38,760
amend city code chapter 183 which is

2031
01:28:36,480 --> 01:28:40,119
nuisance um so if you can remember the

2032
01:28:38,760 --> 01:28:42,719
last time we had a discussion around

2033
01:28:40,119 --> 01:28:45,400
noise it was to address we just have a

2034
01:28:42,719 --> 01:28:47,360
initial conversation around chapter 182

2035
01:28:45,400 --> 01:28:48,760
which is noise and I appreciate the

2036
01:28:47,360 --> 01:28:51,320
special meeting that we had we are

2037
01:28:48,760 --> 01:28:53,400
members of the um Corporation Council

2038
01:28:51,320 --> 01:28:56,080
Police Department to include the

2039
01:28:53,400 --> 01:28:58,320
commissioner uh was present and it was

2040
01:28:56,080 --> 01:29:02,440
his recommendation that we address the

2041
01:28:58,320 --> 01:29:04,159
nuisance aspect of it outside of uh

2042
01:29:02,440 --> 01:29:07,040
continuing conversations potentially

2043
01:29:04,159 --> 01:29:09,080
address like a time and also what of

2044
01:29:07,040 --> 01:29:11,080
noise would that Encompass as the

2045
01:29:09,080 --> 01:29:14,119
conversation kind of morph into

2046
01:29:11,080 --> 01:29:16,679
addressing vehicles and then ETS so um

2047
01:29:14,119 --> 01:29:18,320
wanting to take a first step uh and wait

2048
01:29:16,679 --> 01:29:20,280
till after a budget conversations to

2049
01:29:18,320 --> 01:29:23,040
bring this item back this is just

2050
01:29:20,280 --> 01:29:26,239
looking at discussion item in chapter

2051
01:29:23,040 --> 01:29:28,560
183 there's a smaller chapter where it

2052
01:29:26,239 --> 01:29:31,639
talks about the point system that he was

2053
01:29:28,560 --> 01:29:34,280
recommending and I went to the extreme

2054
01:29:31,639 --> 01:29:38,520
which was changing it from the 3 point

2055
01:29:34,280 --> 01:29:40,960
to six points um before it becomes a

2056
01:29:38,520 --> 01:29:43,560
misdemeanor I guess an offense level for

2057
01:29:40,960 --> 01:29:47,719
the Corporation Council to enforce 12

2058
01:29:43,560 --> 01:29:50,239
points is that key metric uh so from 3

2059
01:29:47,719 --> 01:29:52,760
to four the number of instances would be

2060
01:29:50,239 --> 01:29:54,360
cut in half so kind of is want to have a

2061
01:29:52,760 --> 01:29:58,320
conversation around where council

2062
01:29:54,360 --> 01:30:01,360
members felt with that type of action um

2063
01:29:58,320 --> 01:30:02,960
it is or would be a very strong response

2064
01:30:01,360 --> 01:30:04,480
to address noise throughout the city but

2065
01:30:02,960 --> 01:30:07,679
I think to a lot of the concerns we

2066
01:30:04,480 --> 01:30:10,480
continue to hear um there are a lot of

2067
01:30:07,679 --> 01:30:12,920
offenders throughout the city so just

2068
01:30:10,480 --> 01:30:15,280
looking for any feedback or comments

2069
01:30:12,920 --> 01:30:15,280
around the

2070
01:30:15,960 --> 01:30:22,440
table I just want to be clear so we're

2071
01:30:18,679 --> 01:30:26,679
really looking at um 182 is what Mr is

2072
01:30:22,440 --> 01:30:29,159
it is it 182 or 18 18 it says 18 yeah

2073
01:30:26,679 --> 01:30:33,560
but the the the noise ordinances section

2074
01:30:29,159 --> 01:30:36,960
chapter 182 the penalties for the for is

2075
01:30:33,560 --> 01:30:41,119
is is chapter 183 where you assess the

2076
01:30:36,960 --> 01:30:43,520
the points for for a nuisance okay so uh

2077
01:30:41,119 --> 01:30:50,520
that's what the Chairman's talking about

2078
01:30:43,520 --> 01:30:52,719
is is is amending 183 D1 B and one

2079
01:30:50,520 --> 01:30:54,880
adding a whole another R and then what

2080
01:30:52,719 --> 01:30:59,119
you're going to do is

2081
01:30:54,880 --> 01:31:02,199
add that over noise violations from

2082
01:30:59,119 --> 01:31:05,400
chapter 183 into that as as the six

2083
01:31:02,199 --> 01:31:07,239
point violation and then you got B2

2084
01:31:05,400 --> 01:31:09,600
where currently is I believe three

2085
01:31:07,239 --> 01:31:11,840
points so you would delete that and just

2086
01:31:09,600 --> 01:31:14,840
Rel let that section so it's really Shi

2087
01:31:11,840 --> 01:31:17,520
shifting it from one column to another

2088
01:31:14,840 --> 01:31:22,719
column so it goes through a whole list

2089
01:31:17,520 --> 01:31:26,840
of uh various uh uh points and or

2090
01:31:22,719 --> 01:31:29,719
offenses and is just moving the noise

2091
01:31:26,840 --> 01:31:32,119
violations out of the 3point into the

2092
01:31:29,719 --> 01:31:34,960
Sixpoint column so that would need a an

2093
01:31:32,119 --> 01:31:37,480
amendment to the to the code um in a

2094
01:31:34,960 --> 01:31:39,960
public hearing thank you Miss Patrick I

2095
01:31:37,480 --> 01:31:43,400
think we had um so what we have in front

2096
01:31:39,960 --> 01:31:45,800
of us is 183 and I think we've seen and

2097
01:31:43,400 --> 01:31:48,159
talked about 182 at a previous meeting

2098
01:31:45,800 --> 01:31:52,360
correct correct and that's where we saw

2099
01:31:48,159 --> 01:31:52,360
the point value I think

2100
01:31:52,520 --> 01:31:57,199
thank Mr chairman just for the the

2101
01:31:55,000 --> 01:31:59,679
committee's uh reference uh there was

2102
01:31:57,199 --> 01:32:03,600
referen in

2103
01:31:59,679 --> 01:32:06,719
180 uh the noise ordinance um regarding

2104
01:32:03,600 --> 01:32:09,480
mufflers and loud music there's ref

2105
01:32:06,719 --> 01:32:12,320
cross references the state vehicle and

2106
01:32:09,480 --> 01:32:14,760
traffic law so I'll I'll provide copies

2107
01:32:12,320 --> 01:32:18,080
of those references dealing with loud

2108
01:32:14,760 --> 01:32:23,000
mufflers and mufflers and exhaust

2109
01:32:18,080 --> 01:32:24,880
systems and and uh loud loud sound

2110
01:32:23,000 --> 01:32:26,639
systems

2111
01:32:24,880 --> 01:32:28,920
any other questions or

2112
01:32:26,639 --> 01:32:31,199
comments I highlighted those from the

2113
01:32:28,920 --> 01:32:33,639
fact that the section of General section

2114
01:32:31,199 --> 01:32:36,800
of the vehicle and traffic laws 375

2115
01:32:33,639 --> 01:32:38,520
mufflers and exhaust systems is sub 31

2116
01:32:36,800 --> 01:32:41,520
and then

2117
01:32:38,520 --> 01:32:41,520
I

2118
01:32:44,639 --> 01:32:50,400
47 so that's just for your your review

2119
01:32:47,480 --> 01:32:52,040
and reference um but our code currently

2120
01:32:50,400 --> 01:32:55,719
makes reference to the vehicle and

2121
01:32:52,040 --> 01:32:59,199
traffic code so the individuals can be

2122
01:32:55,719 --> 01:33:02,480
cited under our code or under the

2123
01:32:59,199 --> 01:33:02,480
vehicle in traffic law

2124
01:33:02,520 --> 01:33:06,679
gotta unless there any other questions

2125
01:33:04,679 --> 01:33:08,199
or comments I don't like stealing credit

2126
01:33:06,679 --> 01:33:09,639
is definitely the recommendation from

2127
01:33:08,199 --> 01:33:11,760
commissioner deine to make this

2128
01:33:09,639 --> 01:33:14,119
adjustment I think it takes into

2129
01:33:11,760 --> 01:33:16,360
consideration the ongoing comments we

2130
01:33:14,119 --> 01:33:17,600
hear from the community and then to mrb

2131
01:33:16,360 --> 01:33:19,639
brien's point it still allows us

2132
01:33:17,600 --> 01:33:22,360
opportunities to make better adjustments

2133
01:33:19,639 --> 01:33:24,480
in chapter 182 but that seem to be like

2134
01:33:22,360 --> 01:33:27,119
more discussion so this allows us to be

2135
01:33:24,480 --> 01:33:29,560
responsive as a council I know in the

2136
01:33:27,119 --> 01:33:31,560
the warmer or the colder months we don't

2137
01:33:29,560 --> 01:33:34,280
deal with noise to the the same degree

2138
01:33:31,560 --> 01:33:37,199
as in our warmer so this allows us to

2139
01:33:34,280 --> 01:33:39,199
kind of get ahead of those um complaints

2140
01:33:37,199 --> 01:33:40,639
that we know continually exist year in

2141
01:33:39,199 --> 01:33:43,040
and year

2142
01:33:40,639 --> 01:33:46,800
out so I know it's just a discussion

2143
01:33:43,040 --> 01:33:48,960
item um unless there is a

2144
01:33:46,800 --> 01:33:50,760
overwhelming support towards moving

2145
01:33:48,960 --> 01:33:52,480
anything but I know one of our members

2146
01:33:50,760 --> 01:33:54,480
in the committee is out and I don't want

2147
01:33:52,480 --> 01:33:55,800
to be forceful and again we have time to

2148
01:33:54,480 --> 01:33:58,400
address it I'm just wanted to bring the

2149
01:33:55,800 --> 01:34:00,639
discussion back to the

2150
01:33:58,400 --> 01:34:02,320
council thank you uh so if there are no

2151
01:34:00,639 --> 01:34:04,119
other questions or comments I just ask

2152
01:34:02,320 --> 01:34:06,600
that you look at this further detail and

2153
01:34:04,119 --> 01:34:10,040
then we come back in two weeks looking

2154
01:34:06,600 --> 01:34:12,679
to make a a vote okay thank you thank

2155
01:34:10,040 --> 01:34:14,520
you Mr M uh the second item which was

2156
01:34:12,679 --> 01:34:16,080
being responsive to the call for public

2157
01:34:14,520 --> 01:34:19,440
hearing presentation regarding the

2158
01:34:16,080 --> 01:34:23,280
reduction of City speed limit to 25 mph

2159
01:34:19,440 --> 01:34:25,440
I I really appreciate that um that

2160
01:34:23,280 --> 01:34:26,880
detail presentation and I don't know if

2161
01:34:25,440 --> 01:34:28,800
there's a need for any further questions

2162
01:34:26,880 --> 01:34:31,880
or comments and just there's a motion to

2163
01:34:28,800 --> 01:34:33,239
call for public hearing so I will second

2164
01:34:31,880 --> 01:34:35,280
all those in

2165
01:34:33,239 --> 01:34:36,760
favor if there are no other items of

2166
01:34:35,280 --> 01:34:39,320
call Public Safety Committee I ask for a

2167
01:34:36,760 --> 01:34:43,280
motion for Jour so moved I'll second all

2168
01:34:39,320 --> 01:34:45,239
those in favor I thank you um I'd like

2169
01:34:43,280 --> 01:34:47,920
to call to order study City development

2170
01:34:45,239 --> 01:34:52,600
and planning we have 10 items on the

2171
01:34:47,920 --> 01:34:54,119
agenda the first item to accept um

2172
01:34:52,600 --> 01:34:55,400
acceptance of the grants from MX

2173
01:34:54,119 --> 01:34:57,800
Development Authority for the Broadway

2174
01:34:55,400 --> 01:34:57,800
quarter

2175
01:35:03,480 --> 01:35:08,600
[Applause]

2176
01:35:04,840 --> 01:35:12,600
Improvement um earlier this year

2177
01:35:08,600 --> 01:35:15,760
Metroplex reached out to myself about uh

2178
01:35:12,600 --> 01:35:18,280
our Paving contractor louisy doing some

2179
01:35:15,760 --> 01:35:20,639
work for Metroplex essentially on

2180
01:35:18,280 --> 01:35:22,520
Broadway um they wanted to expedite the

2181
01:35:20,639 --> 01:35:25,600
work so the work was performed as a

2182
01:35:22,520 --> 01:35:27,920
change order on the City's contract um

2183
01:35:25,600 --> 01:35:30,040
Metroplex agreed to reimburse the city

2184
01:35:27,920 --> 01:35:32,400
for the cost associated with that change

2185
01:35:30,040 --> 01:35:36,440
order and the costs are in your

2186
01:35:32,400 --> 01:35:38,480
agreement um passing this uh Metroflex

2187
01:35:36,440 --> 01:35:40,520
would then issue a check to the city's

2188
01:35:38,480 --> 01:35:42,000
connec to reimburse them for the cost

2189
01:35:40,520 --> 01:35:44,520
associated with the removal of the

2190
01:35:42,000 --> 01:35:47,679
island on

2191
01:35:44,520 --> 01:35:50,960
Broadway any questions regarding this

2192
01:35:47,679 --> 01:35:54,080
I'll move it I will second all those in

2193
01:35:50,960 --> 01:35:55,960
favor I I item number two the authorized

2194
01:35:54,080 --> 01:35:57,360
the mayor his designed to enter in

2195
01:35:55,960 --> 01:35:59,760
agreement with New York State Department

2196
01:35:57,360 --> 01:36:03,280
of Transportation for the brandy1 Mullen

2197
01:35:59,760 --> 01:36:05,679
pedestrian Improvement project Mr this

2198
01:36:03,280 --> 01:36:08,760
is a federal a project on the current

2199
01:36:05,679 --> 01:36:11,560
tip the project uh was applied for and

2200
01:36:08,760 --> 01:36:14,119
modeled uh by myself after the pacap

2201
01:36:11,560 --> 01:36:16,639
project that was done around City Hall

2202
01:36:14,119 --> 01:36:18,280
um where we did signals um so

2203
01:36:16,639 --> 01:36:20,719
essentially we improved as you know the

2204
01:36:18,280 --> 01:36:23,040
signals all around City Hall up and down

2205
01:36:20,719 --> 01:36:26,119
for pedestrian accommodations we have a

2206
01:36:23,040 --> 01:36:29,119
similar cluster of signals located at

2207
01:36:26,119 --> 01:36:31,320
brainy wine mclen Union Eastern uh

2208
01:36:29,119 --> 01:36:34,000
essentially the uh where the drugstore

2209
01:36:31,320 --> 01:36:35,360
locations are um it's a good location

2210
01:36:34,000 --> 01:36:36,960
for these type of improvements because

2211
01:36:35,360 --> 01:36:39,119
it is along the main Corridor for

2212
01:36:36,960 --> 01:36:43,080
pedestrians leaving the high school and

2213
01:36:39,119 --> 01:36:45,719
it also is uh just a very dense vehicle

2214
01:36:43,080 --> 01:36:47,560
Corridor um most of this project will be

2215
01:36:45,719 --> 01:36:49,480
fairly straightforward and simple where

2216
01:36:47,560 --> 01:36:51,639
it'll be focused on replacement of

2217
01:36:49,480 --> 01:36:53,600
traffic signals um if you know the

2218
01:36:51,639 --> 01:36:55,800
corridors which I'm sure you all do

2219
01:36:53,600 --> 01:36:57,600
there isn't a ton that we can do there

2220
01:36:55,800 --> 01:37:00,360
from a geometry standpoint because they

2221
01:36:57,600 --> 01:37:02,520
are narrow the area that I am going to

2222
01:37:00,360 --> 01:37:04,840
be looking into and I have had

2223
01:37:02,520 --> 01:37:09,679
discussions with Metroplex is in

2224
01:37:04,840 --> 01:37:12,040
particular um Eastern Avenue and mclen

2225
01:37:09,679 --> 01:37:16,239
um right where the pharmacy gas station

2226
01:37:12,040 --> 01:37:17,920
parking lot is um the intersection um

2227
01:37:16,239 --> 01:37:19,560
has a lot of lanes if you're coming from

2228
01:37:17,920 --> 01:37:22,119
The Price Trapper area it might be a

2229
01:37:19,560 --> 01:37:24,360
little bit overdesigned um crosswalks a

2230
01:37:22,119 --> 01:37:26,600
little wider than they need to be so

2231
01:37:24,360 --> 01:37:28,360
that intersection will be focused and

2232
01:37:26,600 --> 01:37:30,520
the other intersection that we're going

2233
01:37:28,360 --> 01:37:31,840
to be focusing on more from assign is a

2234
01:37:30,520 --> 01:37:35,880
get a lot of complaints we're really

2235
01:37:31,840 --> 01:37:39,679
going to look hard at the Rugby Road

2236
01:37:35,880 --> 01:37:43,239
Mullen light um residents know that if

2237
01:37:39,679 --> 01:37:44,920
you were coming from Rugby Road uh

2238
01:37:43,239 --> 01:37:47,480
either side and you hit that light there

2239
01:37:44,920 --> 01:37:50,119
is no detection it is essentially a Time

2240
01:37:47,480 --> 01:37:51,880
signal and you would just sit there and

2241
01:37:50,119 --> 01:37:53,239
it does get on a lot of people's nerves

2242
01:37:51,880 --> 01:37:55,199
with that so we want to really look at

2243
01:37:53,239 --> 01:37:57,080
that and make sure that the signal is

2244
01:37:55,199 --> 01:37:58,719
the most warranted thing and then if it

2245
01:37:57,080 --> 01:38:01,080
does go back which we're predicting that

2246
01:37:58,719 --> 01:38:02,800
we do have some form of detection there

2247
01:38:01,080 --> 01:38:04,199
and that the signals are all coordinated

2248
01:38:02,800 --> 01:38:07,000
to try to make sure that the traffic

2249
01:38:04,199 --> 01:38:08,599
moves better um all these systems we're

2250
01:38:07,000 --> 01:38:11,239
hoping to have the mile Vision system

2251
01:38:08,599 --> 01:38:12,760
which is a camera system and uh you know

2252
01:38:11,239 --> 01:38:14,560
run it with the city's fiber so that we

2253
01:38:12,760 --> 01:38:16,719
can try to get some economy to scale to

2254
01:38:14,560 --> 01:38:18,920
really move traffic through the area so

2255
01:38:16,719 --> 01:38:21,639
this is the master agreement for

2256
01:38:18,920 --> 01:38:22,960
bringing on the design consultant um

2257
01:38:21,639 --> 01:38:24,440
next agreement that you should see would

2258
01:38:22,960 --> 01:38:26,159
be when we come for constructure which

2259
01:38:24,440 --> 01:38:30,199
would hopefully be in a

2260
01:38:26,159 --> 01:38:32,560
year any questions or comments move it

2261
01:38:30,199 --> 01:38:33,760
second all those in favor I thank you

2262
01:38:32,560 --> 01:38:36,040
very much Mr

2263
01:38:33,760 --> 01:38:37,719
W next item on the agenda is to

2264
01:38:36,040 --> 01:38:39,040
authorize a lease agreement with Metro

2265
01:38:37,719 --> 01:38:42,800
Points Miss

2266
01:38:39,040 --> 01:38:45,239
barash um so this is a follow on from um

2267
01:38:42,800 --> 01:38:46,599
the license agreement that the council

2268
01:38:45,239 --> 01:38:50,880
authorized last

2269
01:38:46,599 --> 01:38:54,040
cycle um the Alo Trail and tunnel

2270
01:38:50,880 --> 01:38:57,920
project um

2271
01:38:54,040 --> 01:39:00,840
the trail that is already there that the

2272
01:38:57,920 --> 01:39:04,599
city council um authorized a license

2273
01:39:00,840 --> 01:39:08,280
agreement for to the city uh this is the

2274
01:39:04,599 --> 01:39:11,440
next part of it where the city would

2275
01:39:08,280 --> 01:39:15,440
license uh access to Metroflex so that

2276
01:39:11,440 --> 01:39:18,199
they can um extend the trail and uh

2277
01:39:15,440 --> 01:39:20,400
change the direction of the trail so

2278
01:39:18,199 --> 01:39:24,639
this would give them and their them the

2279
01:39:20,400 --> 01:39:26,719
ability to do the construction

2280
01:39:24,639 --> 01:39:29,119
so when we what we agreed on to the at

2281
01:39:26,719 --> 01:39:31,960
the last cycle was to first of all to

2282
01:39:29,119 --> 01:39:35,199
execute the 2017 one with national

2283
01:39:31,960 --> 01:39:38,719
National Grid and um also to give them

2284
01:39:35,199 --> 01:39:40,840
easement that was our last cycle mhm y

2285
01:39:38,719 --> 01:39:43,760
right and so this time so now we're ask

2286
01:39:40,840 --> 01:39:46,480
we're saying to Metroplex go ahead and

2287
01:39:43,760 --> 01:39:48,040
extend this site is that yes so they're

2288
01:39:46,480 --> 01:39:52,040
going to extend the

2289
01:39:48,040 --> 01:39:52,040
trail okay

2290
01:39:56,000 --> 01:40:01,239
oh it's being paid by Metroplex no cost

2291
01:39:57,920 --> 01:40:04,520
to the city she said that first okay

2292
01:40:01,239 --> 01:40:07,239
okay um this is part of the the right

2293
01:40:04,520 --> 01:40:08,920
yes but I was looking for the cost but

2294
01:40:07,239 --> 01:40:12,480
there is none so that's always good to

2295
01:40:08,920 --> 01:40:14,440
know all right any questions or comments

2296
01:40:12,480 --> 01:40:16,679
I'll move it I'll second all those in

2297
01:40:14,440 --> 01:40:19,599
favor I I thank

2298
01:40:16,679 --> 01:40:23,880
you uh the next item on the agenda is to

2299
01:40:19,599 --> 01:40:26,920
amend resolution number 20 2024 46 for

2300
01:40:23,880 --> 01:40:29,280
the sale of property Lo located at 461

2301
01:40:26,920 --> 01:40:32,320
hulet it's not a contract negotiation

2302
01:40:29,280 --> 01:40:34,360
it's just to to amend our resolution

2303
01:40:32,320 --> 01:40:39,119
okay Mr

2304
01:40:34,360 --> 01:40:39,119
Brown you right that's

2305
01:40:39,760 --> 01:40:49,760
okay that's not even funny go ahead Mr R

2306
01:40:44,560 --> 01:40:53,040
um so resolution 20242 46 um authorized

2307
01:40:49,760 --> 01:40:55,960
uh the city to sell 461 H Street the

2308
01:40:53,040 --> 01:40:58,800
amount of $85,000 there was a spelling

2309
01:40:55,960 --> 01:41:00,760
error on the buyer's name and the uh

2310
01:40:58,800 --> 01:41:03,199
information that was sent for the

2311
01:41:00,760 --> 01:41:05,199
resolution so we're just um looking to

2312
01:41:03,199 --> 01:41:07,719
update that and add that extra letter

2313
01:41:05,199 --> 01:41:08,760
into for the buyer's name okay we just

2314
01:41:07,719 --> 01:41:10,760
need to correct the spelling on the

2315
01:41:08,760 --> 01:41:13,560
buyer's name okay any questions or

2316
01:41:10,760 --> 01:41:16,159
comments so moved I'll second all those

2317
01:41:13,560 --> 01:41:18,480
in favor I I thank you you're welcome

2318
01:41:16,159 --> 01:41:20,000
thank you uh the next item on the agenda

2319
01:41:18,480 --> 01:41:22,840
is selection of restaurant and

2320
01:41:20,000 --> 01:41:24,040
Concession operator at the SKC municipal

2321
01:41:22,840 --> 01:41:26,119
golf court

2322
01:41:24,040 --> 01:41:28,000
M McCarthy mam chair there are some

2323
01:41:26,119 --> 01:41:30,599
components of that that would be subject

2324
01:41:28,000 --> 01:41:32,480
to negotiations under contract and so i'

2325
01:41:30,599 --> 01:41:35,800
ask that that be moved into executive

2326
01:41:32,480 --> 01:41:38,040
session okay thank you so uh item number

2327
01:41:35,800 --> 01:41:40,119
5 through 10 are all going to be um

2328
01:41:38,040 --> 01:41:42,560
addressed in executive session so at

2329
01:41:40,119 --> 01:41:44,880
this time I ask for motion to recess

2330
01:41:42,560 --> 01:41:47,800
development planning so move second all

2331
01:41:44,880 --> 01:41:49,080
those in favor I I we are recessed so

2332
01:41:47,800 --> 01:41:50,639
I'd like to call the order of the claims

2333
01:41:49,080 --> 01:41:52,679
committee we have two items on the

2334
01:41:50,639 --> 01:41:54,320
agenda tonight just confirm Corporation

2335
01:41:52,679 --> 01:41:57,599
Council both those need to be discussed

2336
01:41:54,320 --> 01:42:00,159
in executive session yes CU it's dealing

2337
01:41:57,599 --> 01:42:02,400
with settlement possible you know two

2338
01:42:00,159 --> 01:42:05,480
cases currently in litigation so would

2339
01:42:02,400 --> 01:42:08,400
be the terms of the proposed settlement

2340
01:42:05,480 --> 01:42:10,520
and uh so it's still active litigation

2341
01:42:08,400 --> 01:42:13,520
uh with that knowledge mind may have ask

2342
01:42:10,520 --> 01:42:17,199
for a motion to enter executive

2343
01:42:13,520 --> 01:42:20,360
session I make a motion I'll second it

2344
01:42:17,199 --> 01:42:21,920
all those in favor I I we are now execu

2345
01:42:20,360 --> 01:42:25,159
session members of the public will have

2346
01:42:21,920 --> 01:42:25,159
to exit

2347
01:42:26,080 --> 01:42:32,290
left is that the key that was there is

2348
01:42:28,560 --> 01:42:41,780
that the restroom key you had sitting

2349
01:42:32,290 --> 01:42:41,780
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