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should have organized as city
council thank you
okay this
is no I got
it I'd like to call the order this
connect the city council committee
meeting for Monday December 16 2024 and
we'll start with a presentation by uh Mr
wall
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thank
you good evening uh so we are here today
to discuss uh this connected areawide
speed limit study uh it is a study that
we've been talking about for quite some
time um uh at the request of the council
to lower the speed limit in the city to
25 M hour um working in cooperation as
we talked about with the Capital Region
Transportation Council uh under the Safe
Streets for all Grant they secure uh
consultant um representative of the
consultant is here uh Matthew row uh
with Stant Tech Engineers uh he's going
to run through uh the presentation
tonight which uh mimics the uh draft
presentation that we have and then we
can provide you with uh just an overall
synopsis of where we are and what we're
looking forward to going forward so I'll
give it to Ma
thanks Chris um hi everyone again I'm
Matthew row at stanch and it's great to
be here today it's my first time before
being asked connected to see the council
or it's committees um so um I uh I'm
going to talk just a little bit about
speed limits in general I'm going to
talk about um some of the changes that
have happened in the way that speed
limits were set in the United States and
some of the options that we have um and
why that matters for connected first I'm
going to just show the what I think is
the the most important item here which
is summary of our actual
recommendations um uh so we did a study
of uh of SKC streets focusing on three
categories of streets um streets that
are primarily local streets that are in
a kind of a midlevel category and
streets that primarily have a through
function um and I'll I'll get into that
a little bit later but the very short
version is that we're recommending a 25
M hour Citywide speed limit um that'll
affect all City All City maintained
streets won't affect any state
maintained streets so uh that includes
things like um the cross town connector
New York 7 uh won't be affected um and
we're also uh recommending just a few
specific exceptions that'll make the um
that'll either make the um the speed
limit more coherent on a particular
Corridor or is just more appropriate for
that particular Street So Max and Road
Extension would remain 30 mph um Eerie
Boulevard South of State Street would
remain 30 m hour um State Street East of
Fair Avenue um from Fair Avenue to the
city line is currently 35 mph signed for
35 mph and that would be changed to 30
rather than to 25 but the rest of State
Street would be changed to 25 milph and
Millard Street which is um very uh which
is just a a few blocks long um and
connects Broadway to verer um verer is
this exception because the state owned
um so Millard Street would remain 30 for
consistency and
coherence
um one of the exciting things is that um
skinc would be only the second City in
the region um to uh adopt a 25 mph limit
um Albany has been um in the process of
uh of doing so uh Kingston recently
adopted its 25 mph limit um and the town
of Brighton uh near uh Rochester ter
town and new relle Villages um in uh
down state um adopted 25 mph speed
limits cities in New York state are
allowed to do this and villages in New
York state are allowed to do this after
study
um um we all know that speed kills but I
want to note that um there's an
exponential increase um because what we
talk about when we're talking about
speed is force quadrupling when speed
doubles so when hit at 23 mph 90% of
people survive hit at 32 mph only 75% of
people survive we want to increase our
odds um our goal is Zero fatalities or
serious injuries on our streets um and
if we're going to do that we need to get
serious about speed um stopping distance
also increases exponentially and what I
don't have um is a uh uh is a diagram of
driver's cone of vision but the driver's
cone Vision Narrows as speed increases
it's just a natural thing when we're
driving faster we can't see um we have
we can't see to the sides as easily and
we can't as easily detect people walking
people biking other cars um so lowering
speed on a city street makes a ton of
sense from an engineering perspective
and that's the bottom line um speed
limit Studies have changed over time uh
in um uh in the past there was Federal
guidance and even Federal standard
that said you have to study the free
flow speed of traffic and you have to
base your you should base your decisions
on it um so there guidance that you
should base your decisions on a standard
that you had to study the free flow
speed of traffic and the guidance was
well the third fastest car out of 20 the
85th percentile speed which you may have
heard that 85% P speed before um so that
is one of the reasons that speed limits
times have ratcheted up over time and
that leaves us in a situation where it's
only the Speeders who are determining
the speed limit we don't want that to be
our our situation um the new federal
manual it's called the manual and
uniform traffic control devices the mecd
the new federal manual says you have to
study the context of the street so in
this case an urban context um our study
area span from what would be uh what's
nationally considered uh um Urban core
all the way to what's nationally
considered uh Suburban but there's very
little um that's mostly um Urban core
and urban
um uh I um uh we based the approach to
this uh study on the nacto city limits
guide uh which I was actually a
co-author of um and the fundamental
concept is that you've got a default
speed limit um that helps drivers
because it's consistent it's something
that they can expect and that then you
have specific C or speed limits and you
might even have some slow zones now we
don't have the ability to set larger
zones uh below 25 mph except at schools
um and so that's where slow zones are um
the idea is the more conflicts there are
and the more activity there is the lower
you're going to want the speed limits to
be and on most streets in connect
there's a fairly high conflict density
and that's everything from driveways to
people crossing the street to um uh to
uh driers pulling in and out of parking
spaces um and there varying activity
levels so you end up with a matrix I
think the most important thing to take
away from this is that um the national
guidance is now actually going further
than we can go tonight right we um we
can't set a 20 M hour speed limit um
under state law but National guidance is
now saying actually a lot of SKC streets
the local streets would be appropriate
for 20 M
PRS um based on their level of conflict
and activity um
so we did the study based on something
called functional class or starting on
it um Contex was the main thing but we
did um um we did uh analyze streets
based on um essentially their role in
the transportation Network um but
functional class does not tell you
anything about context so we looked at
um so Wyoming streets Wyoming AB is an
example of a what we're calling a group
one street a local Street um
recommendation 25 M hour sement hullet
street is another good example so
different contexts but similarly low
volume uh low existing speed
streets um group two is where uh it gets
a little more interesting we have
streets like not street or Almont Avenue
where they might be one lane each way um
they might have more like 6,000 or
10,000 cars per day but their existing
speeds are in the case of um not Street
uh the existing speeds were the median
speeds were 29
mph um and uh while they may be higher
on alamon Avenue they may be uh it might
not be appropriate to have a higher
speed limit in part because there are
blocks like the ones that you see here
where uh there isn't uh sufficient room
even for designated Lanes in each
Direction um there's one exception in
this group which is Max and Road
Extension um because uh it's as I
mentioned before because it's a um it's
the continuation of Erie Boulevard a
state-owned portion of Erie Boulevard
that has a 40 m hour speed limit and
because of its context and because it
actually has a great deal of separation
of modes by and pedestrians have the
option of being on the shared Ed path um
Max and Road Extension um for most of
its extent so that was one reason we
were comfortable retaining a 30 m per
hour speed right there um another Street
uh in uh in the next category um State
Street is officially classified as an
arterial street but we're still
recommending a 25 M hour to limit on
most of it based on its context um we
all know we all know State Street we all
know what it's like we all know that
it's one of the busiest places in the
city um and that includes the section
from not terrorist to Fair Avenue where
we have our busiest bus route and we
have um controlled and uncontrolled
Crossings places where you're allowed to
cross the street uh without a signal um
so these are places where we want to
really protect people and we want to
have that um 25 M per spe perit further
east there are fewer Crossings like that
there are fewer Crossing points like
that though Crossings do happen but we
want to reduce the speed limit um to
protect people who are um walking biking
taking the bus driving uh turning left
off of State Street or on to it um and
uh for that reason we're we're
recommending a 5 mph reduction of the
speed limit um but it is um all it is
part of the um consider a long haul for
CDTA and there's value and retain 30 m
hour speed there um for Erie Boulevard
the recommendation was to um to keep it
30 m hour on the medium divided portion
of Erie Boulevard which is south of
State Street um but to lower it to 25
mil per hour between State Street and
not Street between State Street and the
roundabout um and this may start just
before State Street it could start at
State Street or just after State Street
um but the uh the roundabout provides a
good transition from the 40 m hour uh SE
State own segment to the uh more uh to
the city owned segment um so thanks I
can questions and I'll go back to the
begin just point out that's what we were
saying with the the map was uh Mard
Avenue between beer and Broadway just
today uh Matthew and I were talking
about this that's why we revised it is
having this map on the screen is useful
because what it shows is many people
don't realize it but beer Avenue in
front of the fire station the county
jail and the county buildings that is
state controled so we do not have the
authority to change that to 25 similarly
to Broadway we do not have the authority
to change Broadway between uh um where
was it Edison and uh Weaver essentially
um so to leave Mard the hill uh at 25 I
think that would create confusion for
motorists um and it is I know it is
residential but there's only residents
on the one side there is a sidewalk so I
think from an enforcement from a signage
perspective to leave that particular
corridor from Albany Street to 890 till
when the state ends s30 so that was we
were able to get it updated on the
presentation but we weren't able to
update it in your packet because we just
talked about it today while we were
getting ready for this meeting um and
then the other spot that you know I'm
really uh really happy with Matthew when
working with Carri it's here from our
Capital Region Transportation Council
she walked in uh she's been a great
partner in this um I think that the
study and the recommendations are are
pretty straightforward and clear and
they line up with what I talked about
earlier the only area that I think there
is a little Nuance in discussing is Erie
Boulevard from State Street to the round
about um because of what we have there
uh to what Matthew was talking about the
maxim Road Max Road similarly to areas
you're coming into the city on Aqueduct
Road in Nuna that's a 45 mph Road and
then you come into the City and Maxon
road is a commercial Corridor it has
essentially no residential on it and the
point you make about having separated
bike pet infrastructure is is good um
because I think that shows that there is
the accommodations there so I think to
bring that to 25 wasn't really um
necessary and then when you hit Eerie
you're at 40 so you know it's 30 I think
we leave it but that section of Erie
bouard is the one that I think we've
been seeing um over the last 5 years
that section transform from commercial
into residential um we've seen multiple
apartment buildings we have one being
built now and so I think that
25 is is appropriate but I could also be
persuaded that the use of that being 30
from 40 um and and being there we do
have lots of Crossings and uh new
signals we just upgraded the signals
we're really trying to focus on
pedestrian accommodations there so if
there was one little bit of fat in the
report to chew on I would say that
particular Corridor would be it so other
than that that is that's the report that
are our recommendations I believe this
is a call for public hearing um we can
make the revised report uh public we can
make the presentation which mimics it
public for the information and then the
public hearing would be Sean uh the the
13th of January yes and then I pass out
a draft to the council members regarding
the the ordinance and uh that would be
uh that could be part of the public
hearing as well so he' be uh supporting
materials plus the draft
okay so I did my first question you were
actually already addressed what was
going to be available for the public
hearing um the other one you me
mentioned elamont Avenue and speed limit
there to be lower to 25 so does el
elamont doesn't that cross into
reram and so at what point does that
become and what is the speed limit on
that part it's 30 at the city of line
okay um and it may think it increases
soon after that but um but it would be
it would be 25 miles per hour up to the
SK City Line up to up to the roer line
okay yeah we we just don't have
jurisdiction beyond that actually so
that then that leads me to my other
question in regarding the signage
because now you're going from probably
within a block not even a block you're
going from 25 to 30 so and probably
something maybe you need to still be
working on as a signage already been
figured out so the people are aware that
within this block he want 25 to 30 or in
not even just here but every any place
that the can occur yeah at the at the
transitions at the City Line um there's
a typical sign that's used it's um it's
the city speed limit sign so it would
say 25 City speed limit um that's the
same sign that all the using um and
there's
um there's other uh options but that's
the primary
recommendation and glad you brought up B
because I read the article um regarding
what what people's reactions were
towards that did you have anything to do
with the AL no all right so um and I
just need a little bit more clarity on
the Area Boulevard piece about the Maxon
Road Area Boulevard so south of State
Street south of State going towards 890
would be
25 no okay would be 30 right yeah so
right now the only recommended area on
hurry Boulevard to to remain 30 is what
we're calling the boulevard section
State Street to 890 with essentially
functions as the offramp and the
entryway into the city it's Boulevard it
is not the same character as the rest of
the Street then the recommendation is
given the changing character of the
remaining portion of area with the
residential and some of the you know
comments that we've gotten from The
Stockade residents in walking that um
even though that Eerie Boulevard is
essentially the most commercial Corridor
we have with the highest volumes uh that
that section be brought down to 25 miles
proper okay thank you
anybody else have any
questions um in terms of the public
information campaign um which you know
you talk about in here
um how much time do you think we need
for something like that um in terms of
how long should we give it uh to be able
to make sure that we're um appropriately
giving people enough time to understand
what the changes are going to be about
for the public hearing or for the
enforcement for for the for the public
information
like so PSAs you know that we're doing
in that way I do also want to know about
enforcement in terms of whether we're
going to be able to have appropriate
enforcement once this goes into effect
as well would be another question that I
have one
recommendation one recommendation would
be uh to have the the PSAs and other and
multimedia campaigns happen over a
period of about 6 weeks um and that
doesn't mean that the speed limit can't
change uh in that time right so if you
if you know you you have the public
hearing and you decide to move forward
and you've got the um you've got a date
set and Chris and his Crews can um uh
can do their work um uh which will take
them some time um you know at that point
that can be your speed limit start date
your PSA can start while you're doing
that um uh while the while the speed
limit signs are going up and you can
also start you can start the the the
full transition then but the PSA can
continue so 6 weeks isn't like it isn't
like oh you you have to wait that time
before putting up the signs it's not
like that I would wait before um I would
have a warning period um for enforcement
that is something
iend um and that could be that same six
we period uh where drivers are GI are
given warnings instead of
citations but that's just a that would
add to the police department and I also
um I think that we it's not a lot of
signage that has to get changed I think
that's important to point out um because
we had heard that concern you know we're
going to have to like you know spend a
lot of money and change a lot of signs
but it's clear that it's not a lot of
sign signage that has to get changed
correct I mean Brian's here you know he
we've had these discussions um we we
think that this is a you know manageable
task now that we've had our hand our
head around it um you know Brian's
prepared he's already talked with his
his uh in-house Crews about it and what
the undertaking is you know some of
these areas yes the signage has to be
broughten up because you're going to
have areas that weren't 30 to 25 there's
going to be some transition areas so
those have to be thought out but as you
see there's five transition areas one
two four transition areas so it's not
it's not terrible we have the 30 m per
hour signs up so you would leave those
and maybe move a couple um I I can't
speak for enforcement we really haven't
had a a coordination meeting I've really
focused on trying to get the report
together and a lot of these things so
the details of of the of the the roll
out I I don't have um but I wanted to
make sure I got this report in front of
you with the
recommendations any other
questions yeah when we looking at a high
conf to the area
Street what would if anything U how
would it impact chaining indust street
from two way to one
way would that impact it at
all
SRE when you're looking at a
high yeah um so one ways are oneway
conversions are a uh
are I I'll I'll answer this in the
planner the plannerly way which is that
there's pros and cons um the pro is that
you do a oneway conversion you can
sometimes create space for other uses
right because instead of having two
lanes or vehicle traffic one in each
Direction you could just have one lane
um because that one lane does actually
carry more than than it's half of the
street used to carry right so um you've
got the ability to sort of create space
on your street by doing that I think
that that's that would be a reason to do
it uh a reason not to is if the um if
it's to uh if you're converting a street
from two-way to one way and what you end
up with is two oneway lanes two lanes in
the same direction that tends to
increase speeds um and you can get you
can get some very high speed in that
case get the jockey for position and all
that you get with mul
Street good
question may the other side of the job
is when you go to oneway Street what do
you do with the traffic you're de biring
off is to make sure you've got a place
that adequately funel it to not create a
problem someplace else
yeah any your hand up I'll just say that
um I mean unless somebody has any
questions I mean I appreciate the
um being done um I I think it's really
great that we have this data now um to
kind of justify the change in the speed
limit um I really appreciate that I
think obviously you know first and
foremost is the safety of the
pedestrians and the drivers so you know
I I think that's a really strong reason
to to move forward with this um and I
also just wanted to say that I have
still continued uh the conversation with
triaa so there will be an announcement
soon about you know having some sort of
an incentive for folks to um take the
defensive driving class in addition to
the discount that people get once they
take the defensive driving and I hope to
be able to talk about that at our next
committee meeting in more specific I
don't want to put any Adam Bri you have
any comments on what this would be
anything that they should rolling out
this program no as far as enforcement is
concerned we enforce a 30 we can enforce
at
25
so
easy so yeah well thank thank you both
again for the presentation for the
update I know it took a while to get us
here but we are here so I want you to
know that app yeah I would think the
next uh conversation where we get maybe
a little bit more into details of roll
out some of those things are going to be
the committee meeting after the public
hearing so that we're going to hear from
the public um you know I I would like to
leave this report in draft form we're
already like I said we just changed it
today after we reviewed it see what
people's opinions are of the report see
what we're hearing from the community
and then we can discuss it at the next
time and at that point um you know I'll
I'll work with Adam and maybe even uh
Carrie and Matthew about what the kind
of roll outs are in the area you know
I've worked on campaigns with the DMV
and Department of Health and places uh
for Statewide rollout campaigns to see
what we want to do um because I mean at
the end of the day this isn't a you know
this isn't about tax revenue and making
tickets this is about safety so we just
want people to drive slower that's what
we're trying to do um so I think that's
I think that's the next time that we
want to talk about it all right thank
you great thank you so much so we will
take up the vote and public sa okay
thanks a lot thank you much thank
you next we'll have the finance
committee yes I'd like to call Finance
to order um we have six items on the
agenda the first item is um and this is
in place of chairperson um L Baron who
couldn't be with us tonight but the
first item is an ARA update and so I'd
like to ask Miss Carver to please come
up for
that good evening good
evening so I have a high level arpa
update um for you since the last time we
met we have gone um into contract with
du Community Foundation so I'm happy to
report that all
arpa projects under development are have
fully executed contracts um we are
working
internally um to narrow down some of the
recommendations that I made to finance
and City Council on um possible
reallocation of oura funding um I hope
to have a final uh list recommendation
to provide to city council by the next
meeting um we're meeting internally so
I'll have the final decision after that
up in consideration one um I don't know
I just felt like I wanted to sing a song
I'm sorry I'm just joking one uh sub
recipient BC and I has stated that they
are having some challenges with spending
that money down which they did report
that at their um when they came and did
their presentation with city council so
that's going to leave roughly about
$220,000 back from bcni the other um one
that is in discussion that we have not
made a final decision would be the Coco
house and taking some of that money
would be based on the executed contract
that they have they had 200,000 to spend
the first year and it doesn't look like
they will be able to do
that so considering the fact that we
have to have all contracts executed by
the end of the year could you tell me
how that would work and if we
reallocating money how would
we make that happen I don't think that
that would be too challenging if we
reallocate it um based on the discussion
um with Finance if we reallocated to a
project that is similar we will be able
to do that
internally and so um these discussions
have already taken place with these
entities then with bcni um Coco house
we've been very intentional about
getting spending plans and working with
the subrecipients to find creative ways
to spend the money based on what they
agreed to do um with the arpa funding um
so that's Coco houses like I said is
still
pending and so um are you saying that
there would need there would need be no
need for Council action to reallocate
this I am not saying that but we are
working on it internally and when I meet
with finance and the mayor tomorrow I
will have clear answers on the direction
that we're
going but I'm not saying that we will
not need Council I I can't answer that
so mayor if we need councel we because
we'd have to call the special meeting if
it is going to need be a need for
Council action so I I just asked that
that the council be made aware as soon
as
possible
yes fact if any modifications could be
as soon as next Monday night something
for unanimous consent but I believe all
the things being looked at are
conceptually in line with what the
original intent was within the
organization and how do we just
accomplish that goal whether
it's uh to they initially proposed or
within modification that might be their
ability to do it or some modification
from the city's side okay and so we
anticipate that if anything needs to
change in come before the council it
would come but we'd have to do without
without unanimous consent am I
understand that correctly well you can
call a special meeting there's a couple
ways you can do it the simpler one might
be to put it on next Monday night as
long as everybody
agrees why wouldn't everybody you have
you have to ask people that know I don't
know and I just want to note that you
know the department has been working
with the sub recipients we don't want to
take the funding back but you know
helping them realize what is realistic
um as far as what they've spent to date
so that we don't lose the money so the
the goal has been to really work with
them to come up with a plan that's
realistic and not reallocate the fund so
I just wanted to put that on record okay
so yes and I want to thank you for the
you've worked really really hard on this
and I know in the past um year and a
half maybe by nowk that you've been here
so I really appreciate that and um you
did point out two um groups but has is
everyone else doing well with their
spend down so we got up we we've worked
with every every project and we've
gotten updated accounts on where they
are so the ones that I originally had
recommended to city council which had
included Hamilton Hill they are now
actively moving doing their site
approval process so we've put a little
fuel um to the fire so that all of them
are actually moving accordingly and
based on the spending plans that they
did re that we did receive and speaking
with them it looks like they're going to
be on on target I know that the YW also
hadn't spent a lot no but they are due
to spend May of 2025 they will start
expending that money now okay um M car
could you just would provide the council
with a print out or you can send stand
where everybody is so that then
everybody can actually see um where we
are with all of that sure all right does
anyone else have questions regarding the
ARB Mr Williams oh I'm sorry I thought
your hand up yes Mr
Williams I thought you were right go
ahead so my question go ahead so my
question question is about bcnr I
remember from that meeting there were a
lot of questions around their ability to
SC down and I remember it differently
that they were strongly saying that they
did not anticipate any issues with fully
um spending down their current ass so I
do you have any more specific do you
know which one BC and I have they have
several AR for funding so the one that
they said they anticipated not having
issues was there on occupied rehab that
was the $1 million allocation but the
forclosure ition is the one that they
stated that they have some challenges
with finding um the demographics to take
that
funding you're welcome Miss Patrick is
have a question no I was um I was just
calling on Mr Williams as the standing
for Mr mudaron here that's why he was
sorry okay got it anybody else any
questions for ARA oh sorry that's okay
it's
questions Carver just used to
it any other questions thank you so much
thank you okay so the next item on the
agenda is um Financial donation to the
police
department hello should have a pretty
easy one here so a little background on
this and an anous donors wishing to
donate donate $110,000 to the police
department for the purchase of a new
drone and for drone related equipment uh
there's no matching funds required by
the city great any questions or concerns
U Madam chair um yes this is going
through the foundation correct this
donation will go through the public
safety Foundation yes okay at this time
no action needs to be taken by the
council when you accept the item that
the foundation purchases on the city's
behalf you can accept it okay great well
thank you very much very good thank you
have a good holiday it's anous I guess
we can't set it back
right we want to because what the next
item um if Mr triny could come forward
we have the review of the uh building
Pro V schedule which you all also we got
another copy of that today I think it
was you want to bring your you need all
that stuff bring
toks it's in the packet also
good evening
hi so I've been called tonight to uh be
available for some questions revolving
around fee increase proposal that uh has
come before you all and so I'm available
for whatever questions you
have any questions or concerns about the
code can you just do a quick run through
I don't know that um I know that are
we're not you highlighted this when you
printed it we didn't get U we didn't
have highlighted copies so if you could
just run through um the request to
changes for for us please
so well the U the meat and potatoes of
the increases revolve around um
application fees for the building
permits and um we proposed a uh 3%
increase
um applications with construction cost
of up to
$10,000 and a 2% increase of 10,000 to
100,000 and a point
uh a
0.0001%
increase of um anything over
$100,000 um so um
see we uh roofing permits have uh we we
we want to do away with the flat fee for
roofing permits and um go with a the
structure that we use for the um
building
permits um some various other increases
here
see so some after hours inspection
requests um proposed to charge fees for
that uh $150 fee with a 2hour
minimum fairly insignificant we don't
get many requests for those but
um sidewalk permits uh to go up to uh by
$25 right now it's at $50 it's going to
go to
$75 that's for sidewalk
repairs um all these fees that are
proposed are to cover cover costs uh
from the department and our staffing
they haven't been increased
since um I think there were some minor
changes in 2017 but before that I think
it was
2008 that we had talked about in the
presentation of these
increases um like I said the meat and
potatoes behind all the increases are in
the building permit side of the
increases the other ones are very minor
on
overall um we have uh fence permits also
a small increase from $50 to
$75
um let's see there's other minor
changes um any any questions revolving
any specific
fees should we go over the whole
presentation again or
um M Doro has a question yes thank you
um so the asphalt paving permit um so is
that like when
um who checks on when like a water main
brakes and we have it repaired from the
road to our homes is that there so
though asphalt paving would be on
private property there's mostly uh
driveways that are being redone okay so
the contractor work permits would um
those will be covering the work in the
right away B basically uh National Grid
work so the asphalt paving permits
mostly is on private property thank you
you're welcome other
questions thank you um so has there
always been an inspection fee Associated
um just with like cve fence permit um so
residential application fee I see for
fence permit $75 for the $75 inspection
fee so that's someone after the work's
done someone goes back out to inspect is
that yes has that always
been a fee associated with we're talking
about specifically curve cup curb cut um
fence
permit the asphal paving
permit penil I think um so that's new
the inspection fee is proposed that's a
new fee proposed so alls we had was the
$75 application fee with fenes
specifically and the curb cup similar
same adding an inspection fee correct
yes they do require an extra visit so we
have our administrative processes that
are uh part of the application process
and then field work for the inspections
we felt that a uh inspection fee is
necessary there cover cost done
yeah thank you welome other
questions Mr Man you were just okay Miss
for yeah so in terms of well um you said
like after hour fee so at this point in
time are we
only are is is Staff only working like 8
to four so there's
no um schedule where where like it's
staggered for U where there eight four
people and there's four to whatever
people as as everybody 8 to four because
then that could create a situation for
homeowners contractors whomever that you
you're now charging them to come out
after working hours so those requests
are U very rare and they might be on a
commercial project where um maybe
they're um absolutely necessary
requiring a uh early morning inspection
say for a concrete por at 5:00 a.m. um
very rare but uh we do have staff on
24/7 in the building department but it's
emergency on call staffing so
um not available for inspections or
inspection requests
for construction projects so so we don't
have so everybody works 8 8 to 4:30 8 to
3:45 8 to four okay so everybody works
there so then then the answer to the
question is like on the weekends and no
one's no one's out
no uh just emergency staff for on Call
emergencies okay and um
so how how many violations because I
know that you issue violations stock
work ORD is any number of things how
many do we have outstanding currently I
I sent you the email to ask that
question thank you for preparing on that
that's okay I want you to be prepared
I'm trying to catch you off car
appreciate it uh so I would like to know
about that um and what the follow-up
looks like because part of you know Us
increasing fees continually is the
enforcement of it but if you're telling
me that staff is only doing 8 to four
and then they have to do whatever else
their normal thing that where where's
the time for the enforcement how much is
outstanding right now so we have uh so I
rent a report and I have a summary for
you that'll pass out so you have it at
your disposal after we're we're through
here but uh currently we have
2,835 outstanding violations so that
would be pending um for possibly 2,800
yes so that that would be uh that could
be pending uh that could
be in uh with with tickets issued um
with violations needing to go to court
um
so that's that's the number of
outstanding violations we have currently
um that's also um
thank the nuisance Department's
violations um also there's some
violations that exist with zoning as
well so so they'll be in there uh but in
my report summary you'll see that number
of 2835 outstanding violations
currently what is the dollar amount so
the dollar amount uh would be in a
different report um so often those
violations aren't they don't have an
administrative fee for every single
violation so they often times are
grouped so for instance if we issue five
violations at a certain parcel um they
don't necessarily they they'll have one
administrative fee for all violations
will be grouped together so uh an
administrative fee is
$50 um and often that uh they are
grouped together so we can't ass assume
that it's $50 per each
violation so could be more I see it
could it wouldn't be more it would be
less I see what you're
saying
and so and is there a charge for so if
someone is doing
work and they get a stop work order is
that charge also $50 so a stop work
order the fee associated with stop work
order which is in our uh
in our uh presentation is
$550 for a stop order are there any of
those outstanding
um I'm sure there is I'm sure there are
some that haven't that that are waiting
to be complied with um I don't have that
number available but I can get you that
number and send it in an email to
you so I'm I'm sure there's some stock
workorders that are in
process okay
another question um so I see that people
get permits for to do whatever the
permits are pulled um so are they
standard standard color standard and
then just you write on them what
whatever they're getting a permit for so
we have um many different permit types M
and um as far as color goes uh
electrical would be green um yellow
would be our standard permit for most so
fence permits are on white paper um most
all other building permits will be on
our yellow paper
Okay um sometimes if people drive I I'm
just thinking if people are driving by
they have something specific like on a
green paper we let them know it's for
this because maybe I'm doing a roof when
I've only pulled a permit for something
much less expensive so just wondering if
there was a color code process that let
your your code people know um what
they're if they're if they're actually
what they just seeing a permit to them
it's the permit's there but let them
know that that what's being done is
actually what the permit was pulled for
it's something to think about improving
on and maybe we can get more color coded
uh but right now a building permit is
yellow fence permits are white
electrical per are
green
okay any other questions Mr Williams uh
to a question about the 2800 outstanding
violations yes sir does that reflect
outstanding
collections or outstanding like stop and
address this so as I stated so a lot of
them are in process so they' be in
process so they're pending so uh we're
waiting for compliance many of them will
be complied with um so um as far as
collections go um it doesn't reflect
collections so administrative fees are
associated with the
violations many times they're grouped so
there could
be uh you know two three four a half a
dozen all grouped together with $50
administrative
fee and just a following question um
just with respect to any changes there's
going to be as we just discussed with
the speed limit a time frame where you
have to work through like the population
becoming more compliant uh do you
foresee any shifts and having to be more
proactive where this deters people from
proactively seeking these permits and
thus form requiring your officers to be
more present in the community to miss
porterfield's Point adopting a larger
number of hours to potentially be more
visible in times where if I was a
contractor I'll just wait till you
close yeah um I suppose I could do a
deeper study on on that and um we do not
want to deter the public from pulling
permits so that is not our goal our goal
is to U simply keep up with the cost of
operations so and we really uh gave this
a lot of thought and we did um crunch
numbers and we are um concentrating on
keeping up with the cost of operation
and we are aware that I'm aware every
change we make that um we want to
encourage pulling of building permits
and we don't want to deter that thank
you so you're
welcome any other
questions so this is really for
um Mr O'Brien so this or M baraj so this
is part of the code so we're going to
have to do a public hearing for this for
the changes yeah no we already did the
public hearing on on this we already did
the public hearing yes back in October
so all this has an effective date on uh
January 1st so you've had your public
hearing um it's back before the council
all want to tweak it for next week um
change the effective date whatever you
want to do but the public hearing has
been done so if there's any changes you
want to do this is a good time to do it
and and if you don't then it can go on
the agenda next week as is as a clean
copy ready for a final
vote Yes support so I'm not in this
committee but um I do I would like to
see like the amount of those outstanding
um violations that we have and what the
dollar amount is it equates to and I
have to tell you I have a concern that
even if we increase fees that the
enforcement piece of it seems to be
we're we're having um we're being
challenged in terms of making that
happen so what will increasing fees
really accomplish will it just be the
people who are already complying paying
more and those who aren't you know we're
covering for that so that that's a
concern for me because um I don't know
if anybody else has heard but certainly
I've heard from um a few individuals not
a lot just to be uh uh clear about their
their concerns for um the increase in in
the fee so I'd like to know where we are
with the enforcement that's it doesn't
we can pass all the legislation we want
but if where if if you're not able to um
have it enforce then we really haven't
really benefited understood I can um get
you a more detailed report on those fees
and let you know exactly where we
got I just want to um point out that in
the budget for 2025 um we had a total
because we already have reviewed this um
we were given a total estimated amount
of what um our Revenue would be for 2025
and so we voted that into when we
approved the um the 2025 budget so we
need to be careful um because obviously
we don't want to undercut um our our
previous decision making on this
topic but part of that decision is that
we're actually collecting I mean if
we're not collecting it it's just no we
have to collect it so one point I'd like
to uh bring up is that um outstanding
fees are currently being reeved into the
taxes as we speak so um we we do collect
those fees
whether we do when when
taxes that's a so we do collect the fees
they don't get by us okay M Mr Williams
so w wanting to be responsive to the
budgeted line but also want to be
considered of M P's question that I also
agree with is that an up give you can
app to us before the end of the week so
that we can have that in consideration
for Monday
absolutely that I'm comfortable okay and
I'll second it all in favor all I okay
thank you so much thank
you okay the next
item
is um this is being removed number four
I'm sorry I'm sorry number four is being
um they pull that P that oh it's being
pulled weeks we're pulling uh updating
the purchasing uh policy for two
weeks thank you and then the next item
is the finance agreement for the
rehabilitation of the city of SKC
Central Park and Michigan Avenue tennis
facilities Mr
wal um I believe you have a draft it's
done the draft um for an agreement so we
set aside $500,000 in arpa funding um
over approximately a year ago and in the
2025 capital budget we approved $2
million for a total of $2.5
million to properly encumber this money
we're looking to form a formal Financial
agreement of terms with uh USA Northeast
for the work that we have been talking
about um I've been working with uh Jenny
at the USA and I've seen a law
department on this agreement um the
agreement is for the renovations and
reconstruction of the Central Park
tennis courts and some uh work at
Michigan Avenue to keep those courts in
competitive um competitive shape one of
the things to note is that we are going
to try to do all 18 courts however at a
minimum we are going to do the upper
Seven Courts and a conversion to eight
okay um hopefully we can do the 18 we're
really trying uh through our partnership
with USA to um have some contractors
really competitively bid this next year
um we're working on that design as we
speak with cha Sports who's done some of
our work um the courts will be going
from an asphalt surface to a post engine
concrete surface the life of those
courts should be uh much longer than
asphalt um we're hoping for a minimum of
30 years uh for the courts um and and 18
courts up from the 17 will allow them to
do everything they need there with using
Michigan for really only teaching with
the 15 love group um and then in there
is uh the usda's contribution of million
doll as well as assisting us with some
of the operations we are trying to work
with them on that and if the dollar
value is close between being able to do
9 or 18 the city cannot cover it they
will approach their board for some
additional fund great to be able to
cover that which we tried to capture in
the agreement great any questions Miss
pfield um so there there's there was
some conversation but I don't think it
ever made it to this point though about
adding a pickable Court there is that
something that's being considered not at
Central Park not right now not at this
complex I think the idea with this
complex was to keep it focused on tennis
and not uh do any kind of a hybrid with
the lines um because there would be some
kind of a hybrid system but it's not
that we can't uh we could have that
conversation but I do know that this is
their their primary for uh for the
entire state is these courts I don't
think that they would want the pickle
ball
striping on these particular reports
yeah I have to say the pickle ball
people want it just
saying um that yeah that's my question
and um I thought there was and I'll have
a conversation with you but I thought
there was a conversation about that
happening and so this currently 17 would
hopefully go to 18 so we're calling it
base bid and that all so the base bid is
what we're talking about would be to
take the upper Seven Courts which on the
upper um if you were looking at the
complex from the road on the right mhm
take those seven and make them eight if
you were to which I know you were
familiar with but the layout the courts
are halfhazard located at different
elevations and different locations um
and we would like to consolidate that
into a more um professional venue
similar that we have on the lower 10 the
lower 10 cours are two banks are five
and five we're looking to convert the
three and four into a 4 and four uniform
at one elevation try to eliminate all
these different levels of courts that we
have um so since we're going to this
extent with the work um all it takes is
a larger machine we want to get in there
and grade this out and and really just
have possibly two levels only a bank of
eight at a level here and a bank of 10
at a level here and try to not have
right now between the 17 courts I think
they're at six different levels jeez so
there's all these little steps that you
take that you go and so that's how we
our steps in yeah so we're trying try to
avoid that situation MH okay will this
improve my game oh
exponentially more consistency won't be
able to blame the court for a crack or
anything like
that questions y yes I do want to know
what I know that the USA is also
contributing to this um does that give
them um
more time to or or do they have more um
access to the courts than the public
would as a result of their contribution
as part of this I haven't seen any
additional access they would want to
have you know their events on their
dates but they're already doing that now
there hasn't been any conversation of
additional events um really anything
additional usually comes in the form of
15 love trying to do some events um and
they did say that they would help with
trying to schedule because I know that
is a difficult thing because the need
for the courts especially once we make
this investment the courts will be
sought after probably by per uh more
schools and leagues and people like that
trying to get on um on them but USA
hasn't asked for an additional uh Court
time slots only what they've had uh in
the
past okay okay and so since we're
talking about more courts and other
people wanting to come in because
they're going to be so professional um
something we haven't done but should be
doing is how are we talking since we're
talking about these how are we talking
about or I know that's probably not even
for you um about how we start charging
so that this this is we're spend money
so how are we creating Revenue around
what's going to be according to what
you're telling it's very state-of thee
Arch and really sought after y um not
100% I know the conversations I've been
involved in we revolve around that
however it always comes down to a
balance of um fee generation compared to
cost for the city so you know if someone
is collecting a $10 fee but you're
paying that person $15 an hour what the
balancing point of that is so that's one
of the things we're working with the
1511 USA about about other systems for
reservations and things like that things
that are happening we've talked if we
could get sponsorships uh for that to do
some kind of income generation but it is
difficult because you would be putting
someone there that is essentially a
seasonal worker and you would be putting
them in almost an enforcement position
um and would be difficult it would be a
difficult thing because you'd be telling
someone no you can't come here and you'd
have to you know really provide them
with how do they do it and unless we're
giving them the ability to be able to
sign up and book and do things right
there on site then it's you know go home
or go to a park office so there there's
a lot and I know that uh we've been
talking about it Paul's extremely
familiar with it and he's you know he
pointed out a lot of the things that's
gone into a you know the the
complications of it but I mean also you
know we now have Mr mosa he's in place
he wasn't here really a year ago he's
aware of it so I think these are all
good problems to have much like with the
pool you know how to have it but um but
we really should get ahead of it too
right so but so the the leagues and all
the other things coming in they will be
paying to use supports I would think
that you would want everyone I mean we
have you know Mr D sitting right here
right and you know we're all involved in
the golf course and that we there is no
you know you pay missa High School comes
to play there they pay high school comes
you pay a league comes they pay it's
just like a Parks amenity we put just as
much money in we're putting a lot of
public money into this facility so if
the city was to use it as a resource
that generated Revenue I wouldn't hold
that against us but if you were to say
we're public and this is a public park
and this is what you want I can see it
that way it depends on how you really
want to to view the facility and its use
um you know I don't think other entities
should be using this to save them or
make themselves money right that's right
like an instructor we've had this
conversation I mean like someone doing
private lessons or something corre and
school districts have budet as large as
a city of skty so if they're looking at
this as some way to save a line item on
a budget is that really is appropriate
it should be probably not um but if a
Community member and a city taxpayer who
lives by Central Park or not wants to go
play
tennis go play tennis right or we
determine that that's not the seven you
know there was also the conversation
those aren't the 18 courts to play this
kind of tennis we just made the
investment into you know Fair viiew
that's tennis we can look at doing it in
sment and trying to do that there so you
could you know make some kind of thing
up that says that this 18 just like the
golf course this is our professional
court if you want to play on these
courts you got to you know give a little
more right so that's up to I I would
think table table Mr Williams I'll add
two comments the first of which is uh I
appreciate Mr D being here and all all
that he does with the golf course from
your perspective is there any uh
infrastructure that's currently in place
for us to leverage to trial something
like this with Associated fees with the
uses of these types of reinvestments and
specifically the tennis courts is you do
it very well and I imagine it didn't
happen by chance and it's required a lot
of years of understanding and then
adjusting and you talking about with the
golf course
correct not to the same extent but no I
I guess what the issue is is that you
have to remember this is
why you know I don't know how to say on
a certain way this is why there aren't
as many clubs in existence anymore right
is because the business model doesn't
work for everything we're fortunate here
at the city to have a golf course and
facility that we can use to actually
make money pay for employees and
generate that kind of a revenue to put
that kind of a revenue structure in
place at the tennis court may be
possible but you're talking about fees
to pay that may not be as feasible and
you might not see the the utilization go
to where you want you know cuz you're
talking about okay to have someone there
we're going to need a Central Park
tennis manager and that Central Park
tennis manager is going to need some
kind of a part-time assistant for when
he's not there and then that's going to
need a little area to collect fees you
know and and you go down that that that
road of it I think we've talked about
this before the fees the fees add up and
now all of a sudden if you're trying to
recoup that there already a perc the
council pass it a few years
ago for the for the chance yes so who's
collecting the
revenue collect Revenue because the
person out there like Chris mentioned
we're paying 1550 hour for that person
stand to
collect unless she want to raise fees to
cover the cost of the person standing
there and then it comes do you want to
come up here than you want me to answer
the question I'll come up come on
up I got to introduce him for some
reason
we do have a fee schedule for tennis at
Central Park in Central
Park Jerry barell Park uh Michigan
Avenue um there are no fees for any
other part for tennis other than Central
Park we did try to implement we did put
seasonals out there when we first
implemented the fees the problem is
um paying cash to seasonal employes is
not a good thing in the park okay the
other is
um it becomes an enforcement when
somebody's out there they play their
hour um you got to collect another
$15 uh and they say no we play L
nobody's really here who we heard it so
it's very diff difficult difficult for a
you know a a youth to be out there 16 17
years old trying to collect the fee from
somebody who you know they're not going
to get in an argument and we're
collecting the fee the less of them
we're paying the person who's trying to
collect the fee so it's not a good
business
model so when so but so can we we should
start focusing then on the groups that
are using the USA and all the other
groups because then they have to
schedule it in order to use it so
there's a place that we could definitely
be put a model in place where they have
to pay us at a time to use it and their
time is blocked out Etc and that would
that could be something that could be
put forth to the council to approve if
you want to set a fee schedule for
tournaments or different things yes
absolutely I I and we have to collect
some funds
that that fee scheduled yeah I think it
was done I want to say 22 or somewhere
21 I know but the enforcement pieces
yeah and yes and we're paying more to
collect less so it does make sense it is
it is a conundrum because even thinking
about uh we had health and Recreation
had a meeting and talked about pool fees
um and similar issues arose in terms of
you know who's collecting the fees do we
really want to put a young person which
is basically what we hire for our
seasonal employees in the position of
you know are they going to get into an
argument with someone I mean so it is it
is sort of a complex it's not just a
simple black and white issue um but I
think that we probably would have to you
know look not everybody comes with cash
in their pocket to play
tennis right and so you have to do it on
a card have somebody with a phone that
can do a card so it's that's right some
sort of Technology here uh at City at
City Hall where they come here and they
get some sort of pass or something it's
the same with the you know talk we
talked a little bit about those kinds of
things around the pool as well so looks
like we might have to invite you guys
and and reconvene uh health and
Recreation to kind of look at some of
these as well to make some
recommendations I would agree with that
back I would agree with that but again I
think that we should definitely put
something in place and if that you said
we already have something but now we're
talking about investing quite a bit of
money into the tennis courts and listen
I play tennis so it's not like I'm not
you know it's not going to impact me
it's okay um because it's something that
you know people want to do but if we're
people coming from all over and this is
like a state-of art place then we should
have something in place for tournaments
um and groups that are coming in to you
know bring a lot of people in to play to
to to to then some of the tournaments
right now with the courts being as they
are um we still get quite a bit of
people so I can imagine that we get even
more
when this happened so that is something
I I think that we um definitely need
focus on and the recreation advisory
committee I think is something that
really needs to be conven reconvened so
that we could get some input and some
assistance with that as well we do need
to do that I was actually talking about
City council's Health and Recreation
committee but I agree with you that we
also still need the recreation advisory
committee as well yeah from the
public I'm next again Mr Williams I
second question the one thing I've
always appreciate about SK was its
openness to different or emerging sports
like talking about U disc golf which I'm
not good at and I accept that um but
with respect respect to tennis um I
think to again to miss P's point about
being responsive to just our emerging
pickle ball Community do you think that
that would be a nonstarter of a question
going back to the US and asking if
they're considerate to that but I
wouldn't want you to do what at the
expense to the project moving forward
because I understand and making that
investment it would be to prioritize
tennis um but I would hate for us to do
this entire revamp absent any
considerations or other destinations
within the city for us to make other
Investments Mr Man again the US ten
Association wants those courts strip to
the professional standard for tenis
we've made major investments in
Hillhurst Park where we put pickle ball
courts in so again we are trying to
support that uh to look at the demand
are there other options you know at
Steinman park it
uh it don't know about Michigan Avenue
and I don't know about Jerry Burell
Jerry Burell is like Four Courts like
it's it's very small
right some of these I don't think you
get 500 people to show up in fact you
want you know the availability of courts
that are convenient and are in the
different neighborhoods so that uh
uh again they can be utilized and the
ones in the neighborhood like that you
can dual stripe it so you could play
tennis on it and play pickle ball on it
the
real uh Tennis Pros and they don't want
the secondary striping for the pickle
ball then I say is there any abilities
to put like better than makesi signing
so that it shows the pickle ball
community that we are considerate and
that there are other locations
throughout the community at those
locations where they could still conre
at possibly uh I I think the big thing
would be something like along the lines
of styman Park so look the mayor spoke
about um we are trying to
allocate um some of the funding that we
have left over with the arpa under a
Paving contract to revamp that and one
of the things with pickle ball with
tennis that's kind of unique is that you
can fit multiple pickle ball courts onto
a tennis so from a utilization
standpoint it would be better for the
city to put four pickle ball courts in
the footprint of One tennis court than
to take up a tennis court with one
pickle ball court because usually you're
just kind of fitting it in you know with
the with the kitchen and everything it's
just much smaller so the net is overly
sized whereas I've seen the layouts of
how you can really do it um and how the
foot Port works so you know I would
think that styman is our next example
where we could try to put four pickle
ball courts there and we always try to
put a uh a basketball court something
something like that there so I think
that's the idea we have there um and
then you know there was the conversation
of you know one of these times when we
get the parks advisory committee
together we really need to talk the
Riverside Park um and what ended up
happening there because we've lost those
facilities so I I think really we just
have to look and this is something that
Paul and I have talked about with uh
with Bill MAA is just about taking back
some of our facilities that we had and
reimagining some of it because if we did
have Simon's Park back to what it was
and we did have Riverside Park back to
what it was and some of um you know J BR
we just redid but we did not put the
pickle ball there you know our
facilities would you know increase and
we would have be able to spread that out
and I think the mayor's point is a valid
one that um we have one pickle ball
complex that we spent quite a bit on
that came out fantastic but it would be
just nice to have that courts around the
area for people who just want to play
not everything needs to be tournament
ready um I think there is some value in
just having neigh would be able to come
out and play ble ball yeah Mr Williams
and just a clarifying comment is just
making sure we have appropriate
considerations to as in our intent but
also the implementation because what I
would hate to see is tennis players
kicking pickle ball players off the
courts so I just wanted to be
communicated appropriately that we're
saying there are better areas in this in
the city suited for this activity not
that we don't want you in
Sp okay any any Miss pille thanks and
just for the record I'm still still
advocating for at least one dedicated
pickleball court at and and and I I
don't proba a problem M for that because
um there's pickle balls are growing
sport people play a lot and a lot of
people who live in the city um play the
court at Central Park at this conf yes
I'm pushing I for one dedicated one I
that would be my ask um I've heard from
people we actually had a tournament up
there where they had to fix it and you
know like I'll talk with Jenny about
that and to fit four into one so I just
want to you know it's been people have
mentioned it to me so I'm going to bring
it forward that if we could and and
hopefully USA would
understand um but one d c Court that's
my ask and I will just close the
conversation by saying that the pickle
ball Courts at Hillside are um are great
I mean so I mean I don't play but I've
been up to see them um they really came
out nice so I appreciate the work on
that too and I think that the the core
you know sort of pickle ball players are
really excited about about it and and
enjoy using that facility as well so I
just want to make sure the public hears
that there are there are those courts um
in
place
okay anything else okay thank you Mr W
next item is also for Mr Madam chair I
think you need to vote this out at a
committee for the sorry thank you uh so
may I get a motion to uh authorize the
mayor to enter into to an agreement with
USA Eastern for the rehabilitation of
the city of skan Central Park and
Michigan Avenue uh Michigan Avenue
tennis facilities given that what the
caveat the ask or consideration for
additional Court not that that would be
holding up just to see if there was an
opportunity for the one cour
yes second all in favor I thank you
thank you for that reminder okay the
next item is the um ABAC for the grout
Park improvements to Carver Construction
Incorporated in the amount of
$43,500 th000 was allocated for
improvements to grout Park last year
um the park improvements centered around
the ability to play pickle uh cricket
I'm sorry talking pickle ball play
cricket um at the field which is the
city's primary Cricket field location um
we worked with uh the the cricket
Community uh a couple groups that run it
with Mr MAA who is also very involved
with the cricket Community um put
together a bid package to mostly clear
grade and make the facility um just
larger and more open um there also is um
some synthetic wickets in there so that
the turf doesn't get degraded as you'll
see uh on a lot of the areas where we
play is the the pitch and all that gets
really worn down um we bid this project
um got seven bids I believe the bids
range from the Carver low that you have
to almost $1.2
million um the bid did exceed um the
original arpa allocation however what
I'm proposing is moving um some
remaining balance from the hill Hurst
pool project that was uh granted
$250,000 I believe in arpa funding to
cover that so that we can move forward
with the project in grout Park questions
M portfield so I know that you want to
move the um so the The Proposal is to
move the money because you just um talk
about why you're really comfortable um
being able to move that money from the
pool um sure so um the council set aside
money as we all know the hill Hurst Park
Pool um has been having issues for quite
some time primarily around um water just
leaving the pool we we lose water a lot
of water in that pool we hired a
consultant to evaluate the pool the
evaluation of the pool proved that the
repairs to um to fix the leak were well
in excess of $500,000 if not a million
dollar due to the the structural and
also we have some other issues with that
pool um just giv the date of it
electronically things like that with
some of our services so we did not have
the appropriate funding uh nor do we
think at the time was the best
investment to put that into that pool um
and the money um kind of sat um we had a
lot of arpa projects going on we were
working on Central Park Pool we were
working on sty you know there was
numerous projects city was work on so
that 200 essentially $20,000 balance for
the hill of HST pool sat and it was not
reallocated now that we're coming up on
the
31st um we have that and we had a need
here with grout Park so we thought that
it was the simplest thing to move the
one to the other so that we can do one
Park project uh uh and get it done and
then spend the money that was allocated
um it is from a park to a park which is
nice we are not investing into something
else other than a park so it is a public
amenity um but that is that's where we
we were with
that so looking at um this uh
spreadsheet that we were given for
Hillhurst Park um we did make still
significant Improvement at Hillhurst um
I I don't have that spreadsheet I'm
sorry it's right here sorry she has a
different spreadsheet oh that one okay
we have that one too
if you want
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to doesn't outline for us what each of
these projects were
but
M yeah so I mean these were this is the
Hillhurst and Fairview Park project that
we're showing here that is a different
project so Hillhurst and Fairview Park
I'm sorry just took me a minute was the
pickle ball tennis
improvements with the basketball um so
this money was spent and allocated and
then the Hillhurst pool money was okay
so that was the ARA the arpa fund was
just for the Hillhurst pool they're just
I'm just checking they're both ARA but
you you have this one as well you have
another color coded
one
yeah yes yes sorry that's okay so this
is um she so you're talking about the
Hillhurst pool money right here at
Hillhurst pool that was the two 50,000
original allocation the other Hillhurst
fair viiew was a larger allocation
500,000 understand now
yes right so um you said there was
220,000 left and but you're only
needing or are you needing all of it let
me just ask like that okay most of the
boun about 210
okay and not to put you on the spot
there's a plan that we would be able to
spend the rest we don't want to
for you said we spend
210 I I I don't want to it's more of a
derck or Finance thing all of these
codes there's most likely there's going
to be some remainders in some of them
and I I think that's what we're trying
to develop is where some of that goes
because you know this is I can't I can't
make every number work to a penny so
this is the best route to take $220,000
and take approximately 210 to put it
towards this project there will be some
sort of a remainder um that may happen
on a couple of these projects that we
have have but um that's that's something
I think that we're working on is where
the remainder goes okay but I don't have
I don't have all the remainders added up
what that would be all right okay Mr T
thank you um the structure there is any
anything being done with the structure
that's being removed it's being removed
yes structure the power lines um many of
the trees uh the existing fences the
idea with this is that um Cricut really
just needs a very large area and so
we're trying to give them the
appropriate large areas that are flat
and playable uh so that they can have um
their leads there so that that's most of
most of this work is actually demolition
grading seeding um that's most of the
work which is why we got so many
interested biders because essentially
the barriers to entry were low a lot of
people can do work like this um and
Carver some work like this in the past
so we don't have any uh any reservations
about working with them okay okay if
there's not any other questions i'
entertain a motion to award this
contract to
Carver second all in favor I thank you
Mr W
thanks okay so the next that was it um
so call for um to come out of
Finance make a motion
to Second all in favor okay uh i' like
to call to order public service and
utilities we have four items on the
agenda tonight um all dealing with the
requests to purchase chemicals uh for
our water and waste water treatment
the hello again
hi the the first item um as the legisla
request form was the replenishment every
year as you know we buy chemicals for
the waste waterer treatment plant for
the water wells um and the first
chemical
um on is the chlorine gas for the water
wells uh for
disinfection um a low bid was um jci
Jones
um that increased $50 from last year per
cylinder so um that's about
18.25 th000
$188,000 more um for Corum gas in last
year um they were the low bid
and we do assume um 150 lb cylinder per
day is 365 days so that's how we price
it um last year because of the lack of
rain more water was used we we spent all
of that um it's really weather dependent
a lot of rain a lot of cold weather
people aren't using as much water but uh
typically we budget for um one cylinder
per
day any questions
have a motion
Mo the second um in
faor all in favor the V all in favor all
in
favor sorry the second uh legislative
request is for the purchase for Hydra
facil asset which is
for um was also bid um that price did
come down by 2 cents per pound over last
year um and uh you yes so we're going to
save about $3,000 there a savings is a
savings but it did come down 2 cents per
pound and that again is for the water
treatment any
questions a
motion clicking it all in favor
favor thether legislative request is
actually for the wastewater treatment
and that is for liquid sodium bisulfate
and that is to remove corline from the
waste stream uh prior to going into the
river um that bid came in exactly the
same as last year there's no change at
1.86 bir Gall that's great very nice any
questions have motion I'll second all in
favor
I the final legislative request is also
for the wastewater treatment plant it's
for sodium hypochloric which is um
chlorine uh but we use Liquid um at the
wastewater treatment plant that did come
in at um a188 last year um and it uh
it's 10 cents cheaper this year per
gallon so there's a savings there from
last year about
$15,500 um Bas on the same gaps we use
it so yeah very nice any any any Mar are
coming down I mean chlorine and and yeah
there's only a couple producers of
sodium hypoc chlorite um jci Jones and
um uh surpass chemicals surpass used to
produce now they buy out of Canada so um
a lot of these chemicals are just
not they're brought in quing gas Jones
chemicals pretty much dominates the
market on chlorine gas um years ago we
did one ton cylinders at the Wastewater
F plant but to
sodium so
thank any other
questions motion motion second all in
favor have a good evening thank you a
motion to leave public services and
utilities motion I'll
second hi thank you so we like to call
order Public Safety Committee we have
one item on the agenda tonight we're
going to add a second which is going to
be the reduction of City speed limit uh
the first is going to be a discussion to
amend city code chapter 183 which is
nuisance um so if you can remember the
last time we had a discussion around
noise it was to address we just have a
initial conversation around chapter 182
which is noise and I appreciate the
special meeting that we had we are
members of the um Corporation Council
Police Department to include the
commissioner uh was present and it was
his recommendation that we address the
nuisance aspect of it outside of uh
continuing conversations potentially
address like a time and also what of
noise would that Encompass as the
conversation kind of morph into
addressing vehicles and then ETS so um
wanting to take a first step uh and wait
till after a budget conversations to
bring this item back this is just
looking at discussion item in chapter
183 there's a smaller chapter where it
talks about the point system that he was
recommending and I went to the extreme
which was changing it from the 3 point
to six points um before it becomes a
misdemeanor I guess an offense level for
the Corporation Council to enforce 12
points is that key metric uh so from 3
to four the number of instances would be
cut in half so kind of is want to have a
conversation around where council
members felt with that type of action um
it is or would be a very strong response
to address noise throughout the city but
I think to a lot of the concerns we
continue to hear um there are a lot of
offenders throughout the city so just
looking for any feedback or comments
around the
table I just want to be clear so we're
really looking at um 182 is what Mr is
it is it 182 or 18 18 it says 18 yeah
but the the the noise ordinances section
chapter 182 the penalties for the for is
is is chapter 183 where you assess the
the points for for a nuisance okay so uh
that's what the Chairman's talking about
is is is amending 183 D1 B and one
adding a whole another R and then what
you're going to do is
add that over noise violations from
chapter 183 into that as as the six
point violation and then you got B2
where currently is I believe three
points so you would delete that and just
Rel let that section so it's really Shi
shifting it from one column to another
column so it goes through a whole list
of uh various uh uh points and or
offenses and is just moving the noise
violations out of the 3point into the
Sixpoint column so that would need a an
amendment to the to the code um in a
public hearing thank you Miss Patrick I
think we had um so what we have in front
of us is 183 and I think we've seen and
talked about 182 at a previous meeting
correct correct and that's where we saw
the point value I think
thank Mr chairman just for the the
committee's uh reference uh there was
referen in
180 uh the noise ordinance um regarding
mufflers and loud music there's ref
cross references the state vehicle and
traffic law so I'll I'll provide copies
of those references dealing with loud
mufflers and mufflers and exhaust
systems and and uh loud loud sound
systems
any other questions or
comments I highlighted those from the
fact that the section of General section
of the vehicle and traffic laws 375
mufflers and exhaust systems is sub 31
and then
I
47 so that's just for your your review
and reference um but our code currently
makes reference to the vehicle and
traffic code so the individuals can be
cited under our code or under the
vehicle in traffic law
gotta unless there any other questions
or comments I don't like stealing credit
is definitely the recommendation from
commissioner deine to make this
adjustment I think it takes into
consideration the ongoing comments we
hear from the community and then to mrb
brien's point it still allows us
opportunities to make better adjustments
in chapter 182 but that seem to be like
more discussion so this allows us to be
responsive as a council I know in the
the warmer or the colder months we don't
deal with noise to the the same degree
as in our warmer so this allows us to
kind of get ahead of those um complaints
that we know continually exist year in
and year
out so I know it's just a discussion
item um unless there is a
overwhelming support towards moving
anything but I know one of our members
in the committee is out and I don't want
to be forceful and again we have time to
address it I'm just wanted to bring the
discussion back to the
council thank you uh so if there are no
other questions or comments I just ask
that you look at this further detail and
then we come back in two weeks looking
to make a a vote okay thank you thank
you Mr M uh the second item which was
being responsive to the call for public
hearing presentation regarding the
reduction of City speed limit to 25 mph
I I really appreciate that um that
detail presentation and I don't know if
there's a need for any further questions
or comments and just there's a motion to
call for public hearing so I will second
all those in
favor if there are no other items of
call Public Safety Committee I ask for a
motion for Jour so moved I'll second all
those in favor I thank you um I'd like
to call to order study City development
and planning we have 10 items on the
agenda the first item to accept um
acceptance of the grants from MX
Development Authority for the Broadway
quarter
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Improvement um earlier this year
Metroplex reached out to myself about uh
our Paving contractor louisy doing some
work for Metroplex essentially on
Broadway um they wanted to expedite the
work so the work was performed as a
change order on the City's contract um
Metroplex agreed to reimburse the city
for the cost associated with that change
order and the costs are in your
agreement um passing this uh Metroflex
would then issue a check to the city's
connec to reimburse them for the cost
associated with the removal of the
island on
Broadway any questions regarding this
I'll move it I will second all those in
favor I I item number two the authorized
the mayor his designed to enter in
agreement with New York State Department
of Transportation for the brandy1 Mullen
pedestrian Improvement project Mr this
is a federal a project on the current
tip the project uh was applied for and
modeled uh by myself after the pacap
project that was done around City Hall
um where we did signals um so
essentially we improved as you know the
signals all around City Hall up and down
for pedestrian accommodations we have a
similar cluster of signals located at
brainy wine mclen Union Eastern uh
essentially the uh where the drugstore
locations are um it's a good location
for these type of improvements because
it is along the main Corridor for
pedestrians leaving the high school and
it also is uh just a very dense vehicle
Corridor um most of this project will be
fairly straightforward and simple where
it'll be focused on replacement of
traffic signals um if you know the
corridors which I'm sure you all do
there isn't a ton that we can do there
from a geometry standpoint because they
are narrow the area that I am going to
be looking into and I have had
discussions with Metroplex is in
particular um Eastern Avenue and mclen
um right where the pharmacy gas station
parking lot is um the intersection um
has a lot of lanes if you're coming from
The Price Trapper area it might be a
little bit overdesigned um crosswalks a
little wider than they need to be so
that intersection will be focused and
the other intersection that we're going
to be focusing on more from assign is a
get a lot of complaints we're really
going to look hard at the Rugby Road
Mullen light um residents know that if
you were coming from Rugby Road uh
either side and you hit that light there
is no detection it is essentially a Time
signal and you would just sit there and
it does get on a lot of people's nerves
with that so we want to really look at
that and make sure that the signal is
the most warranted thing and then if it
does go back which we're predicting that
we do have some form of detection there
and that the signals are all coordinated
to try to make sure that the traffic
moves better um all these systems we're
hoping to have the mile Vision system
which is a camera system and uh you know
run it with the city's fiber so that we
can try to get some economy to scale to
really move traffic through the area so
this is the master agreement for
bringing on the design consultant um
next agreement that you should see would
be when we come for constructure which
would hopefully be in a
year any questions or comments move it
second all those in favor I thank you
very much Mr
W next item on the agenda is to
authorize a lease agreement with Metro
Points Miss
barash um so this is a follow on from um
the license agreement that the council
authorized last
cycle um the Alo Trail and tunnel
project um
the trail that is already there that the
city council um authorized a license
agreement for to the city uh this is the
next part of it where the city would
license uh access to Metroflex so that
they can um extend the trail and uh
change the direction of the trail so
this would give them and their them the
ability to do the construction
so when we what we agreed on to the at
the last cycle was to first of all to
execute the 2017 one with national
National Grid and um also to give them
easement that was our last cycle mhm y
right and so this time so now we're ask
we're saying to Metroplex go ahead and
extend this site is that yes so they're
going to extend the
trail okay
oh it's being paid by Metroplex no cost
to the city she said that first okay
okay um this is part of the the right
yes but I was looking for the cost but
there is none so that's always good to
know all right any questions or comments
I'll move it I'll second all those in
favor I I thank
you uh the next item on the agenda is to
amend resolution number 20 2024 46 for
the sale of property Lo located at 461
hulet it's not a contract negotiation
it's just to to amend our resolution
okay Mr
Brown you right that's
okay that's not even funny go ahead Mr R
um so resolution 20242 46 um authorized
uh the city to sell 461 H Street the
amount of $85,000 there was a spelling
error on the buyer's name and the uh
information that was sent for the
resolution so we're just um looking to
update that and add that extra letter
into for the buyer's name okay we just
need to correct the spelling on the
buyer's name okay any questions or
comments so moved I'll second all those
in favor I I thank you you're welcome
thank you uh the next item on the agenda
is selection of restaurant and
Concession operator at the SKC municipal
golf court
M McCarthy mam chair there are some
components of that that would be subject
to negotiations under contract and so i'
ask that that be moved into executive
session okay thank you so uh item number
5 through 10 are all going to be um
addressed in executive session so at
this time I ask for motion to recess
development planning so move second all
those in favor I I we are recessed so
I'd like to call the order of the claims
committee we have two items on the
agenda tonight just confirm Corporation
Council both those need to be discussed
in executive session yes CU it's dealing
with settlement possible you know two
cases currently in litigation so would
be the terms of the proposed settlement
and uh so it's still active litigation
uh with that knowledge mind may have ask
for a motion to enter executive
session I make a motion I'll second it
all those in favor I I we are now execu
session members of the public will have
to exit
left is that the key that was there is
that the restroom key you had sitting
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