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[2:00] I'd like to call the ORD this connected
[2:01] city council committee meeting for
[2:03] Monday January 6 2025 happy New Year
[2:06] everyone and our first um committee is
[2:10] finance thank you madam president so I
[2:12] would like to call the finance committee
[2:14] to order and one item on the agenda just
[2:16] connect to the police department
[2:17] temporary portable bathroom trailer
[2:21] chief on
[2:33] good evening good evening good evening
[2:35] uh we are going through the transition
[2:37] and update in the city uh police
[2:40] department currently we are without
[2:42] showers or bathrooms in the basement um
[2:46] so we are respectfully asking uh the
[2:49] mayor design to enter into contract with
[2:51] Mike's Portable they are a local company
[2:54] uh that's currently offering us portable
[2:56] showers and um toilets uh in their rate
[3:00] is $5,200 per
[3:02] month can you just tell them about the
[3:05] background a little bit on that there's
[3:06] a bit of a background right so initially
[3:08] um Mike's we contacted them because they
[3:11] were local and they've done a great job
[3:12] we put it out to bid we had two biders
[3:15] uh one the winning bidder for $5,200
[3:20] came from Tent South LLC they're out of
[3:22] uh South Carolina uh they they came up
[3:25] here and ultimately experienced problems
[3:27] with uh freezing temperatures and um
[3:31] basically just just bad luck on their
[3:32] part they pulled out the next day and
[3:34] could not honor the contract anymore U
[3:37] Mike's Portables really kind of give
[3:38] them some accolades and and a shout out
[3:40] initially their uh contract was for 6560
[3:44] per month but um they they actually
[3:47] suggested that they can honor the $5,200
[3:49] per month uh which was the lowest
[3:54] bit Mr chair follow what theant just
[3:57] said this was terminated for the mutual
[3:59] convenience both the uh for us and for
[4:02] the uh the vendor um they couldn't
[4:04] perform they thought they could it was
[4:06] logistical was as as the lieutenant has
[4:09] indicated so we both mutually terminated
[4:13] the the city as well as the uh as the
[4:15] vendor that's on the record in the city
[4:18] purchasing officer office so my
[4:20] recommendation is that the resolution go
[4:23] forward and will'll make reference to
[4:25] the previous resolution in the new
[4:27] resolution that the other one is is
[4:29] recent previous resolution we awarded we
[4:31] seem and we're awarding it uh to the new
[4:33] vendor at the at the price
[4:36] indicated so so we don't need to Res no
[4:39] it will be be incorporated by reference
[4:41] into that so you we don't have to do you
[4:43] don't have to do a separate Standalone
[4:45] resolution you can do in one resolution
[4:47] which makes reference that the reason
[4:49] why you're doing this new re resolution
[4:51] is that it was terminated for
[4:54] convenience okay any other questions I I
[4:57] support this um but I just was wondering
[5:00] so the contractor on the bathrooms does
[5:02] think that it could take a year for the
[5:04] new bathrooms in the no we're actually
[5:06] expecting the uh project to be completed
[5:09] by uh February of 2 this year so
[5:12] mid-February of this year which uh is
[5:15] ahead of schedule okay I think when we
[5:17] originally written The Proposal uh we
[5:19] had put in there um a potential six
[5:23] Monon extension uh just to just to kind
[5:25] of cover cover all the grounds
[5:28] okay any other question
[5:30] seeing may have a motion to move this
[5:32] item forward second second all in favor
[5:35] thank you thank any other business
[5:38] support Finance motion to adjourn so
[5:41] move all in favor thank
[5:44] you I would like to call the order of
[5:46] the Public Safety Committee we have
[5:48] three items on the agenda tonight the
[5:49] first of which is the discussion update
[5:51] on vehicle vandalism Mr
[5:54] M thank you Mr Williams I asked for this
[5:57] item to be added to the agenda um over
[6:00] the weekend because of What's um
[6:02] happening over the last two weekend
[6:04] there have been multiple U vehicle uh
[6:06] vandalism in the city in specific into
[6:09] area like Hamilton Hill and mon Pleasant
[6:12] and you know it's like a pattern last
[6:15] Saturday the previous Saturday and I
[6:17] would like if Chief clip may can give us
[6:20] an update as what can we do or what
[6:23] action can be take to kind of like
[6:25] increase Patrol in these areas to kind
[6:27] of you know push these um corpet trate
[6:30] off that not power in the future go
[6:33] ahead please chairman again the uh
[6:36] police
[6:37] department an hour ago
[6:39] or more put out a press release
[6:43] summarizing some of that and asking for
[6:46] Public's assistance put out some
[6:48] photographs Tings to help
[6:51] identify uh the individuals depending on
[6:55] what questions you're going to look for
[6:58] would questions be done an executive
[7:00] session because it's still a active
[7:03] ongoing criminal
[7:05] investigation I I can some some of the
[7:07] question or thing been asked to um by us
[7:10] on the resident and said what can the
[7:12] police do to help you know push this off
[7:15] people on show back again next weekend
[7:17] again and you know vitalizing car what
[7:20] action what increase Patrol things like
[7:22] that I don't think we want talk about
[7:24] you know the arrest or you know what is
[7:26] the investigation or things like that to
[7:27] be it's more of an action kind of item
[7:30] as so increased Patrol will be there you
[7:33] know somebody helping identify those
[7:36] pictures very quickly make sure it
[7:39] doesn't happen so in the press that I
[7:40] went out today it has image it has yes
[7:43] there are images available okay would
[7:46] you like me to read you the press
[7:47] release so you no that's fine that's
[7:49] fine we we'll grab all of it but I just
[7:51] wanted to know um can you and your
[7:55] officers have increase Patrol in those
[7:58] hot spot areas to kind of U detour them
[8:01] from doing this again because I mean
[8:03] it's like almost 100 vehicle sure and
[8:06] you know a lot of expense talking about
[8:08] 6050
[8:09] $60,000 of expense that's a lot
[8:12] especially in working class neighborhood
[8:15] where people are struggling and have to
[8:16] you know wake up in the morning trying
[8:18] to get to work and here are four tires
[8:20] or two tires are slash and they can't
[8:22] get to work and i' only get to work but
[8:24] you're putting them in additional
[8:25] expense to to do that so they're asking
[8:28] us what can do to help and that's why
[8:31] here putting an agenda to ask we need to
[8:33] do something to help them sure so I
[8:35] would say that uh the first thing that
[8:38] we can do is is the public in the in the
[8:40] Mount Pleasant neighborhood because
[8:42] that's primarily where these are is to
[8:43] be extra vent with with looking outside
[8:46] their Windows if they hear a noise if
[8:49] they hear uh kids walking down the
[8:51] street making loud noise it could be
[8:52] these individuals um we don't know if
[8:55] they're juveniles or adults but we we we suspect the juveniles we're just not
[8:59] sure what age they are um if they have
[9:03] cameras call us there's a tip line
[9:05] that's going to be put out um with a
[9:08] press release call the tip line let us
[9:10] know about it lock their car doors don't
[9:12] leave anything in sight of them a couple
[9:15] cars have been stolen so lock their
[9:17] doors if they had the ability to park
[9:19] off Street in their driveways where
[9:21] there's motion detecting lights that
[9:23] would be very beneficial um so that
[9:26] you're limiting your risk to having your
[9:28] playes uh vandalized
[9:30] um as far as what we're doing um we have
[9:32] our our detective assigned to this case
[9:35] that works our 800 p.m 4 a.m. p uh uh
[9:40] time frame he''s been Consulting with
[9:42] our school resource officers our uh our
[9:45] the probation department um every every
[9:48] Network that we have Citywide that might
[9:50] be able to ENT identify young
[9:52] individuals that we believe are doing
[9:54] this and
[9:57] um we also have increase Patrols in
[10:00] those areas so uh we spoke with the
[10:02] patrol Chief this uh this morning and we
[10:05] will be having uh additional patrols
[10:07] regular a regular timed interval uh
[10:11] overnight uh throughout this week um so
[10:14] that we can we can make sure that we're
[10:15] out there um and as the mayor already
[10:17] indicated we put some photos out um that
[10:20] do have identifiable clothing we'd like
[10:23] to know who these individuals are so
[10:25] please give us a call if they have any
[10:26] idea and uh we're looking to identify
[10:29] them and get restitution for the for the
[10:31] victims if
[10:33] possible that's
[10:35] for thank you so is there a special
[10:38] number people should call should they
[10:40] just a non-emergency number what number
[10:41] should people call to for this
[10:44] particular our tips line is 518
[10:48] 788
[10:51] 6566 and you can always call the
[10:54] dispatch the non-emergency dispatch
[10:55] which is
[10:56] 518 um
[11:02] 63911 too many
[11:04] numbers and and your website's wonderful
[11:06] too for reporting a tip or a crime if
[11:09] you're on your computer so yes yes Mr so
[11:14] thank you Chief my question was I don't
[11:16] necessarily want you to say anything
[11:18] that's going to like tip the people off
[11:20] like so then they're like where what
[11:22] this I guess my question is is there a
[11:25] like a certain time frame or like that
[11:27] this is happening in or is that
[11:30] but only obiously answer that if you
[11:31] feel like that that won't impede on your
[11:33] investigation I was just like wondering
[11:34] if there's like a theme there in both in
[11:36] both instances they've been the
[11:38] overnight hours okay yeah okay if if you
[11:41] had a chance to look at the ring cameras
[11:43] the videos it's about like three-ish two
[11:45] around that time most most of them not
[11:48] all of them but some of them press
[11:50] relase release time because a lot of
[11:52] residents have been uploading the U the
[11:54] videos so if you get a chance you can
[11:56] look at the videos and help I encourage
[11:59] to do that because that's how we are
[12:00] getting information on the calls yeah um
[12:04] you know because of what's going on if
[12:06] they if they have any outdoor lights
[12:08] leave them on overnight the better the
[12:09] lighting the better the cameras work you
[12:11] know they don't work work great in the low light situations um but you know
[12:16] we have a lot of cameras in Mount
[12:17] Pleasant you know there's no doubt that
[12:19] we will be able to identify them so with
[12:21] the public assistance we'd rather do it
[12:23] sooner than later and uh find out what's
[12:26] going on with these individuals and get
[12:28] them stopped
[12:30] no I appreciate U the proactive approach
[12:32] U you're taking on your your department
[12:34] is taking because it's a serious um
[12:36] concern of there res sure we certainly
[12:41] understand that and uh you know
[12:43] detective konis is the tough sign
[12:45] detective and he's been working on it
[12:47] for the last week I want to make sure
[12:49] everybody is aware of that that he has
[12:51] been working on it he's been making
[12:52] progress It's just unfortunately hasn't
[12:54] been able to make an arrest yet one of
[12:57] the concern and I told most of the
[12:59] residents who be calling is that they're
[13:00] asking that the police response time to
[13:02] them is like you know couple hours out
[13:04] but I can't you know notify them that
[13:06] they have to deal with so much um so
[13:08] much of complaint so much of call for
[13:10] the very same thing so they're working
[13:12] their way towards that is that a true
[13:14] statement is the kind of tell from yeah
[13:17] from a Tre perspective we always uh
[13:20] prioritize uh you know incidents that
[13:22] have all people over property so that
[13:24] most so that that's it's possible that
[13:26] especially on a weekend that may have
[13:27] happened
[13:31] so so I did get some of this information
[13:34] but 100 cars is
[13:36] missing I think it's up of that TS I wow
[13:40] I didn't know was that significant I
[13:42] know it was a lot yeah we had
[13:47] uh 25 to 30 vehicles on the first night
[13:59] then
[14:00] approximately it says the second
[14:04] night yeah so it it it could be close I
[14:07] don't think it's nearly 100 yet but it's
[14:10] might be 100 tires I think closer to 60
[14:15] Vehicles
[14:17] yeah
[14:18] 30 Chief you mentioned about storen
[14:21] vehicle do you have look at the number
[14:23] come that because I know the first the
[14:26] first Saturday I mean last Saturday this
[14:29] have avable to a stolen vehicle is that
[14:31] correct correct two stolen vehicles both recovered and crashed crashed and
[14:39] recovered so of course you know there's some leads that'll follow those recovering vehicles
[14:45] too still working on
[14:48] that and if people have videos can they
[14:51] how can they get them to you um so the
[14:53] best way to do it is just to call us and
[14:55] let us know that they have it and then
[14:56] we'll walk through the process but
[14:57] there's a an easy way that they can
[14:59] upload them to us but we're going to
[15:00] want to speak to them and you know
[15:02] verifies their video and all that but we
[15:05] have an easy way that they can send them
[15:06] up to us um via the internet but they
[15:09] should call First yes all right thank
[15:10] you thank you any other questions or
[15:13] comments no just thank you Chief and and
[15:16] your off you know for doing this awesome
[15:19] thank you thank you apprciate you the
[15:23] next item on the agenda is a discussion
[15:24] to amend city code chapter 183 which is
[15:27] nuisance um if you can recall our
[15:30] conversation previously it highlighted
[15:32] that the ongoing nature of just noise
[15:34] complaints throughout the city is
[15:36] definitely something that continues to
[15:37] affect us the quality of life for a lot
[15:39] of our
[15:40] cadians um in the special meeting that
[15:44] we had the commissioner Divine
[15:46] recommended adjusting our nuisance code
[15:49] specifically and improving or raising
[15:52] the value Point threshold for noise from
[15:55] fre and he didn't give us an actual
[15:57] number to change it to however my
[15:59] recommendation is increasing it to six
[16:02] which would be the maximum and I think
[16:04] that takes into consideration just the
[16:06] ongoing nature of just how disruptive
[16:08] noise is to our residents and although
[16:12] it would lower it from three or four
[16:16] instances to two to have to meet that
[16:18] 12p point threshold I think it takes
[16:20] into consideration not every call is
[16:24] having one infraction there might be
[16:26] multiple calls associated with each
[16:28] infraction
[16:29] um so I think it shows or presents a
[16:33] very aggressive response from the city
[16:35] and that this is something that we do
[16:37] not want to continue to tolerate and
[16:39] absolutely we understand that
[16:40] individuals enjoying their themselves uh
[16:44] and their parties or with their vehicles
[16:45] is definitely nothing we're trying to um
[16:48] disrup but making sure you do that in a
[16:51] manner that is appropriate and not
[16:53] infringing on other people's um personal
[16:57] space so if there any question questions
[16:59] or comments Mr Mr chairman you've got in
[17:02] your packing of a copy of the proposed
[17:04] ordinance which the chairman indicated
[17:08] increases uh the penalties from one
[17:11] category up to the sixth category so a
[17:13] lot of that's adding it on and deleting
[17:16] you know ring the paragraphs and also
[17:18] the bottom portion of it is dealing with
[17:20] the actual fines Mone money portion
[17:24] there's no you can that's the current
[17:25] schedule I didn't do anything to amend
[17:28] what the penalties are there for 250 400
[17:31] Etc the council wishes to as part of
[17:34] this overall package which wishes to
[17:36] increase
[17:37] those fine amounts if you do so part of
[17:40] the overall Amendment of the
[17:43] ordinances thank you any questions or
[17:45] comments Mr L yeah thank you when we had
[17:48] initially discussed this we had talked
[17:50] about the um application fee I know that
[17:53] I some templates for the Corporation
[17:56] Council and he updated some we're
[17:59] working on but the current code allows
[18:02] for a permit process and we have to
[18:05] develop the form so we'll be in the
[18:08] process of developing that particular
[18:10] form for the sound permit the code calls
[18:14] for it but as far as the form has to be
[18:17] developed and we're using the forms that
[18:19] you provided as the basis in which to
[18:21] create a simple form for folks to
[18:25] use can we at that find
[18:29] together two cycles from yes two cycles
[18:33] so we'll have two cycles talk The Form
[18:37] application the form the form
[18:41] okay thank you any Mr T yes I appreciate
[18:45] the work you've done on
[18:47] this Mr Williams um you said your
[18:50] recommendation is six points I'd like to
[18:52] know you know just in reading through
[18:55] sexual performance by a child versus um
[18:59] gambling offensive they're all six
[19:01] points I I would think that some would
[19:05] be a little higher and I mean there I
[19:08] mean this is your personal
[19:10] recommendation can we have um maybe the commissioner come back in and give
[19:14] us his recommendation I'd like to see
[19:17] some of these things a higher point six
[19:19] and then some a little lower I'm not
[19:23] sure
[19:25] um what is your well I guess my my my
[19:28] issue would would be six points for um
[19:31] offenses involving marijuana so would
[19:33] that just be smoking it on the street or
[19:36] you know six points I mean since it's
[19:39] kind of legal you know and we're selling
[19:41] it at dispensaries and things so should
[19:43] that be six points versus um you other
[19:48] things that that are on here that may be
[19:52] especially yeah a little bit more un LLY
[19:56] dealing with a child I mean different
[19:58] things like that
[20:00] so yes if you understand what I'm saying
[20:02] I I'm in favor of this I just wondered
[20:05] these are your recommendations if we
[20:07] could get some you know I say with
[20:09] respect to the noise it is if there are
[20:11] other items that are U other individuals
[20:14] like to address absolutely but I would
[20:16] say for me was specifically highlighting
[20:18] on noise um and focusing on adusting
[20:20] that one issue um I think often times
[20:23] when we do expand our scope sometimes we
[20:25] lengthen the timelines and I think this
[20:28] has been an issue that's been ongoing
[20:30] for years since I've from the council so
[20:32] I think wanting to just remain um with
[20:35] addressing this one area but if you'd
[20:37] like to expand that absolutely I would
[20:39] just want to make sure that did not
[20:41] delay our response in total um I think
[20:44] that's for Mr just to follow up on that
[20:47] Mr chairman I mean you can move forward
[20:49] with a call for a public hearing on
[20:51] amending this portion of the noise and
[20:53] then always revisit whatever portions of
[20:56] those various C you know those other
[20:58] categories as points so you can do it as
[21:01] a stand alone rather than doing all at
[21:04] one time so that's that's your option so
[21:06] you can go back and revisit those other
[21:08] sections thank you m Patrick no I just
[21:12] was not in agreement with that mooving
[21:16] yes so section two is saying that the
[21:17] following um violation is going to um
[21:21] generate um six points and if you go
[21:23] under section three that will say these
[21:26] offenses generating three points
[21:29] so there is a comparison there certain
[21:32] offens is high level one versus are low
[21:34] level point so I kind of think it's it's a good step and I agree with
[21:39] Corporation let's move forward and call
[21:41] for the public hearing let look at this
[21:43] here but we need to move forward because
[21:45] we have been discussed this way until
[21:46] last last year and we need to move on in
[21:49] because next couple months will be
[21:51] summer
[21:53] again we need we need to do something
[21:55] about it because you go across the city
[21:57] and you hear complain about the time you
[21:58] know loud music you know exhaust and all
[22:01] these things are happening loud music
[22:03] from Cars so we we need to act
[22:06] so it's it's a good working
[22:08] document any other questions or
[22:11] comments probably because I agree uh
[22:14] with uh Mr M was saying as far as like
[22:17] addressing this now before we weather
[22:20] breaks and we have more people outside
[22:21] more people having events things of that
[22:23] nature and I would just you know kind of
[22:25] um also let the amplify the fact that
[22:27] this again that there's an educational
[22:28] component to this as well um so as we're
[22:31] making these changes we're just you know
[22:33] letting people know that you know that
[22:35] we are taking a more um a Ser stance on
[22:39] this therefore I think that some of that work can be preventative so
[22:42] I think that that's an important part
[22:43] there I just didn't want of those in
[22:45] conversation Mr and that will factor in
[22:48] the the permit um application process so
[22:51] that if if someone has an event they can
[22:52] come and apply for a permit so we know
[22:54] all the details who who's promoting this
[22:56] event and you know the approval process
[22:59] they contact information so the police
[23:01] can directly contact them they don't
[23:02] need to go show up on the property they
[23:04] can call them or let them know you know
[23:05] we're receiving complaint you permit is
[23:08] 11:00 or 10:00 you need to shut down we
[23:11] don't need to come over there they can
[23:13] do that in house so that perit process
[23:15] will help but this
[23:17] also and I would say last comments I
[23:20] know a lot of people uh within the city
[23:22] say well I call the non-emergency number
[23:24] and I don't necessarily see a response
[23:27] uh in this case this will help build a
[23:29] justification on the back end for
[23:30] Corporation Council to proceed with
[23:33] legal actions so if you are experiencing
[23:35] these types of noise issues in your
[23:37] immediate area please document it by
[23:40] calling the nonemergency number um and
[23:43] then that will help us understand uh how
[23:46] many times and that'll fuel into this uh
[23:50] nuisance adjustment moving forward Mr
[23:52] Tor thank you
[23:54] so again you know
[23:59] you can get a permit to make noise from
[24:02] noon to 6 when your neighbors whatever
[24:05] and I'm sure we're going to work that
[24:06] out but I'd also like to ask Chief
[24:08] Clifford maybe if he can come forward to
[24:10] maybe address um just a little bit about
[24:13] the new ticketing system um that you
[24:16] have which will make your officers and
[24:18] Patrol men uh easier to ticket uh when
[24:21] these instances come up like right away
[24:23] and how that's moving along with the
[24:25] department and getting to the courts
[24:31] so um so City Court ordinances um the
[24:35] way that we enforce that is it's it's we
[24:39] process it the same as we would do in
[24:40] arrest so the old way was we have to go
[24:44] and take a person into custody literally
[24:46] which may or may not involve handcuffs
[24:49] we have to we have to write an incident
[24:52] report um and then we have to complete a
[24:55] master name on the individual go back to
[24:57] the police station
[24:59] jump on a computer write an accusatory
[25:01] instrument file that paperwork with the
[25:03] death Sergeant book that person and then
[25:06] released them on an appearance ticket
[25:07] that was the old way um we've we've now
[25:11] streamlined that process to make it more
[25:13] like receiving a traffic ticket where
[25:16] right there on the spot we can do all
[25:17] the paperwork issue a person an
[25:19] appearance ticket on the spot go back
[25:22] the death Sergeant would still have to
[25:24] book the person but there's a lot less
[25:26] paperwork and that means that we we can
[25:28] make the arrest a lot uh faster more
[25:32] efficient um while accomplishing the
[25:34] same goal um so that what that does is that that encourages our officers to
[25:39] make that arrest um so that we hold the
[25:41] people accountable um a lot of the
[25:44] hesitations in the past which led to um
[25:48] advisements is that it's a Saturday
[25:50] night we're low on Staffing the call
[25:53] volume is up and officers just didn't
[25:55] want to get bogged down for 45 minutes
[25:57] making a loud music arrest when they
[25:59] know that we have other more important
[26:01] calls um I should say not more important
[26:05] but more violent calls coming in calls
[26:07] that really needed their attention were
[26:09] coming in and they didn't want to get
[26:10] tied up on them so um so we've been able
[26:13] to implement that process we had a few
[26:15] hiccups with the court system and we we
[26:18] finally worked it out with all the
[26:19] judges to make sure that they're all okay with it uh we we tested
[26:23] the process this year uh specifically in
[26:25] the summertime it worked well so we're we've implemented that and we're
[26:29] starting to utilize that more often now
[26:32] thank you Mr parley yeah so Chief I
[26:34] remember in the conversations um well
[26:36] some of the conversation was around like
[26:38] how do we distinguishing or measuring
[26:40] kind of like that noise like the valume
[26:43] and like how how that's going and my
[26:45] question is to you is that you know is
[26:47] there anything that you need you know
[26:48] further from us as city council to be
[26:51] for you to be able to enforce that like
[26:53] cuz I don't know do we have the right
[26:55] type of instruments or to to to make
[26:58] that distinction between okay you were
[27:00] just being allowed but now you're kind
[27:01] of over this thing or do you need
[27:03] anything from us for anything further
[27:05] from us to support from that uh right
[27:07] now I don't believe we do that might
[27:09] change in the future as we test this
[27:11] process and they go through more through
[27:12] the courts if the if the judges require
[27:15] some some kind of instrument reading
[27:17] then we might um but but as of right now
[27:20] I'm not aware of it if an officer shows
[27:21] up and they feel that's unreasonable
[27:23] noise um they can make the
[27:26] arrest thank you Mr Chief is this the
[27:30] same ticket process we had passed
[27:32] through city council several years ago
[27:34] and you had some problem with it the
[27:35] office is there and they were thrown out
[27:37] by the court and it was pushed back to
[27:39] Corporation Council for them to revisit
[27:41] the tickets yes so that was done a
[27:45] revision and the done by cooperation
[27:49] Council the ticket that you're rolling
[27:51] out now yeah okay yeah and you have
[27:55] discussion with the the court system to
[27:58] make sure that we're not going to have
[27:59] another sort of a problem correct yeah
[28:02] we uh we had to change the form um so
[28:05] it's all on the front page so so so
[28:07] nothing on a second page correct yes
[28:10] that that was the problem with the
[28:12] second page uh constitute another um
[28:15] incident so instead of one incident it
[28:17] was two incidents and it was not
[28:18] recorded properly something like that yeah the judge
[28:22] wanted it um Wanted The Originals um and
[28:25] by by putting it on the back that wasn't
[28:27] sufficient so we made pH photo copies
[28:28] and so the judge just we we compli with
[28:31] what the judge was asking for and then
[28:33] we tested the process and it's been uh
[28:35] it's been working fine so so when we had
[28:38] passed that ticket I'm trying to
[28:39] recollect back a couple years ago on the
[28:40] city council here it was more not for
[28:42] noise it was more General to purpose you
[28:46] can go there and site for for
[28:48] litter uh things like that is is it the
[28:51] same it's the same yep Yeah we actually
[28:53] on the ticket itself it has multiple
[28:55] City Court coordinate violations that are you probably the the ones that
[29:00] are um that people mostly complain about
[29:04] that are on there but we also have a
[29:05] last spot that we can put anyone in
[29:07] there that we wanted to so that we could
[29:09] just like an other where we could write
[29:11] it in there is it possible you can share
[29:13] that template to the council so look at
[29:15] that um the revise um that VI good I'm
[29:20] thank you thank you me a couple years in the works when we passed it
[29:24] originally and then we had some push
[29:26] back from the court system and I'm glad
[29:28] working with Corporation com to move
[29:29] forward because that was a big quality
[29:32] of live back in then we move forward
[29:34] with that and I think it's going to be
[29:36] well received out there and kind of make a difference in our city
[29:41] yes um so people don't now get any
[29:44] warning at this point in time so if
[29:47] someone gets a loud if there's a loud
[29:48] noise will call your officer show up
[29:50] there's there's before it was like turn
[29:52] the noise down so we don't have to come
[29:54] back Etc so now is that no longer
[29:58] happening there there's no guaranteed
[30:00] one warning okay you know there's a lot
[30:02] of misconception out there that you got
[30:04] the first first one for free there was a warning and that's not the case it
[30:08] always comes down to discretion of the
[30:09] officer and the condition of what they they walk into okay um and you know
[30:14] they'll look at the premise history and
[30:15] see if they've been they've they've been
[30:18] spoken to before um but um you know
[30:21] there's it always comes down to the
[30:22] situation and you know they're not out
[30:25] there looking to write tickets uh you
[30:27] know for any reason other than
[30:29] enforcement and um you know if if they
[30:32] can if they feel that they can get the
[30:33] mission accomplished by speaking to the
[30:35] person then they do it they feel like U
[30:38] this needs to be sent before the judge
[30:40] then they'll write the ticket and and
[30:41] ask them to to go and speak to the judge
[30:43] about it okay thank you danan I remember
[30:47] part of the um we the discussion
[30:49] assistant chief an noic spoke about when
[30:51] an officer responds then you have your
[30:53] change over making sure that
[30:54] communication is transferred over to the
[30:56] next shift um but I think in a similar
[30:59] fashion to the response with vehicle
[31:01] vandalism I I think there were a lot of
[31:04] trigger words back in the day where you
[31:05] hear community policing it's important
[31:07] to recognize that putting all of the
[31:09] onus on to law enforcement might not be
[31:12] the best and most appropriate Way
[31:13] Forward so it's working collaboratively
[31:15] with the community um to make sure that
[31:17] this is received well and that we're
[31:19] also doing our actions on our
[31:21] part there were no other question one
[31:24] more question in terms of a timeline for
[31:26] an officer to complete that process K I
[31:28] know back in then when we we pass like
[31:31] 45 minutes do you have like a timeline
[31:33] to that now if you were to go there and
[31:35] write that ticket how much of a time
[31:37] would it take yeah I mean you're you're
[31:40] right in that um the old way it was
[31:43] definitely 45 minutes probably somewhere
[31:45] between 45 minutes in an hour and now
[31:46] it's probably more like 20 to 30 minutes
[31:49] so it's it's I'd say cut in half
[31:52] nice so the in Chief if there are no
[31:55] other questions or comments Mr Mr
[31:58] chairman I just you know uh section four
[32:01] increase of penalties you wish to
[32:02] increase penalties since you're going
[32:04] for the you know calling for a public
[32:05] hearing on you know increasing the point
[32:08] system do you wish to double the range
[32:11] that's already in there from a minimum
[32:13] of 250 to second offense from 250 to 400
[32:17] are you at this point okay with the uh
[32:20] the penal the fine phase at this point
[32:22] just want to increase the uh points
[32:25] system for the nuisance I would say for
[32:27] me personally just wanted to U ensure
[32:30] the process works complete so I think at
[32:32] this point is just making sure the
[32:34] points actually reflect the degree of
[32:36] Destruction to the community so I am
[32:38] safe with leaving the fines as is okay
[32:40] um but I'm only one of members in the
[32:42] committee
[32:45] else I would agree that we should um
[32:48] leave finds as is um and increase the
[32:52] points okay I'm okay with that too yeah
[32:55] I think that's what that was discussed
[32:56] when we discussed this last year in
[32:57] terms of
[32:59] General consensus was to keep it as as
[33:02] is so hearing no other questions or
[33:04] comments may have a motion to does need
[33:07] to be call for a public hearing for the
[33:09] amendment of The ordinance increasing
[33:12] the points
[33:15] voice so second all those in favor I
[33:19] thank you and the last item as a
[33:20] reminder amending the certain sections
[33:23] of the scy city code chapter 248
[33:25] regarding setting a Citywide speed
[33:28] at 25 mph there is a public hearing that
[33:31] will be on January 13th H Patrick did
[33:34] you have any other no that's I mean we
[33:36] just wanted to remind folks to about the January 13th public hearing um
[33:41] and again reinforce the idea that we're
[33:44] uh proposing this as a safety feature uh
[33:47] and and we'll see how it
[33:50] goes if there are no other items to
[33:53] Public Safety may have a motion for so
[33:56] all in favor
[33:58] I'd like to call the order government
[33:59] operations we have one item on the
[34:02] agenda um that is to review the chap
[34:05] chapter 28 the city council of President
[34:07] Porterfield thank you um so this well as
[34:12] we all know the chapter 28 governs how
[34:14] the city council works and this is
[34:16] coming before you because at our for our
[34:18] last special meeting there was some
[34:19] question about whether or not the
[34:22] notification was proper in terms of our
[34:25] special meeting um so in particular that
[34:28] the um it was delivered via email and
[34:31] whether that was considered personal
[34:32] delivery so um based on the
[34:35] recommendation from Corporation Council
[34:37] it seems uh the best course of action to
[34:40] actually include that specifically in
[34:43] the code to make sure that that that it's no longer a question so um
[34:49] what's coming before you tonight is
[34:50] actually to amend section
[34:53] 28-3 regarding special meetings and that
[34:56] email um
[34:58] be accepted as a a notice of delivery uh
[35:01] I will say that there were other
[35:02] questions that came up regarding the
[35:05] entire chapter which everyone has
[35:07] printed out for you um and in
[35:11] particular one of them was and Mr uh Mr
[35:15] O'Brien has given us copies of the the
[35:17] amount of time required for notice so at
[35:22] this point in time it's 3 days um there
[35:25] was a question whether it needed to be
[35:27] three days and he provided with the
[35:29] second City's class laws which says it
[35:31] can be um at least 24 hours and
[35:36] um yeah so um so really opening that
[35:39] discussion up whether we're um first of
[35:42] all to amend regarding the email
[35:43] notification and secondly whether we
[35:46] want to um to change the the length of
[35:51] time that the notice is required to be
[35:52] out in front and let me just add one
[35:55] other um one that I looked at that no
[35:57] longer longer really even makes well
[36:01] makes any sense actually is uh 28-31
[36:04] smoking in council chambers because you
[36:06] can't smoke indoors anywhere so we could
[36:08] just lose
[36:11] that so um so it's opening up for
[36:15] discussion on these
[36:17] items I just have a suggestion in terms
[36:20] of us saying um by email can we use the
[36:24] word
[36:25] electronic delivery
[36:31] I'm looking at this one
[36:34] yeah
[36:36] transmitter is this the um proposed
[36:40] resolution gra yeah so I'm suggesting to
[36:43] take the the electronic transmit here
[36:46] and replace it by by email so that way
[36:50] we're covering all the all the bases in
[36:53] terms of like we don't have emails we
[36:54] can do by Tex or any other forms of
[36:56] electronic mayor okay Mr
[37:00] Mayor well I would question that that
[37:03] you know it's how do you verify people
[37:06] are getting the proper
[37:09] notification and my preference for the
[37:12] wording would be for this official City
[37:15] email address you know because you say
[37:17] email addresses people
[37:20] have multiple ones they have business
[37:23] ones they have some that are active they
[37:24] have some that are
[37:26] inactive uh
[37:28] and you're going to get
[37:30] the fact pattern where again it becomes
[37:32] a question of whether or not people were
[37:36] properly
[37:38] notified president Port um I have the
[37:40] same concern saying electronic that
[37:42] means that you could text it to someone
[37:45] and none of us are given um none of us
[37:47] have phones that are given to us by the
[37:49] government we we're using our own
[37:51] personal phones so if something should
[37:53] come up then we and they need to look at
[37:55] our text message Etc that means you're
[37:57] turning over your own personal phone so
[37:59] I I would agree that email and
[38:01] government email I hadn't um thought
[38:02] about narrowing it down to that is
[38:04] probably the best way to do it um
[38:06] because I guess I was electronic also
[38:09] was indicated that it meant that by
[38:10] facts people are facts but that is
[38:14] electronic delivery so um I I support um
[38:17] you know using the government email but
[38:19] um I I would caution against us just
[38:21] opening up to electronic delivery
[38:24] especially given the fact that we don't
[38:25] have phones that are given to us for
[38:28] work
[38:31] purposes any other questions comments on
[38:34] that Mr Williams uh so thank you for
[38:37] bringing this forward um I did have a
[38:38] chance to read the chapter in its
[38:40] entirety and I think as you get to
[38:42] section
[38:44] 2018-14 uh there tends to be a lot of uh
[38:47] certain pronouns and I thought it would
[38:49] be important to have some gender neutr G
[38:53] gender neutral language um as glad to
[38:57] see that there have been a lot of
[38:58] progressive steps taken since
[39:02] 1989 thank you Mr I guess I would just
[39:05] the fact that uh as we're as we're um
[39:09] reviewing anything in the city code we
[39:11] want to make sure that we're using our
[39:13] Uh current luns of today so I think that would just be a best practice Mo
[39:17] for to have like home pigeons on so I
[39:22] think any other uh questions
[39:25] or thoughts on this so are we talking
[39:28] about meing this right
[39:31] now we couldn't because this is just
[39:34] Essen to review it and to bring up what
[39:36] people are bringing up the the gender
[39:38] using the government email and um what
[39:42] I'd like to see is for us to to provide
[39:45] the feedback that from today's meeting
[39:47] and then to bring it back in two weeks
[39:49] um to provide it to uh Mr O'Brien and
[39:52] then to bring it back for us to um
[39:54] review the changes that people are
[39:57] bringing
[39:58] forward Mr M can we just go ahead and
[40:01] call for public Hearing in the meantime
[40:02] because we have to amend the city chart
[40:04] at the same time just you know flushing
[40:06] out information because I don't think
[40:07] it's a lot of information needed to
[40:09] amend this section is more of a a few
[40:12] change language I I'm certainly fine
[40:14] with that I just want to make sure that
[40:16] people have an opportunity to give their
[40:19] input yeah find move we call a public
[40:22] hearing to amend the
[40:25] section Mr Mr chair chairman as the
[40:28] council president has said this this is
[40:30] an opportunity for you all to review
[40:33] thew the chapter 28 see what other
[40:37] things need to be amended call for the
[40:39] public hearing I guess that would be on
[40:41] January 26 uh 27th and now we'll give
[40:44] another committee cycle then to go
[40:47] through 28th and then do the the final
[40:49] res divisions and get that out prior to
[40:51] the uh prior to the public hearing so
[40:55] all those changes can be made at one
[40:57] time as just doing each
[41:00] here so I'll AC a motion for a public
[41:03] hearing um so second second those in
[41:09] favor I I have nothing else to come before
[41:14] government operations so motion to
[41:16] adjourn
[41:19] so we
[41:21] areour um all those in
[41:24] favor thank you I'd like to call the
[41:27] City development and planning we have
[41:29] two items on the agenda the first item
[41:32] is recommend recommendation to the city
[41:33] council from the Planning Commission
[41:35] regarding draft cannabis dispensary
[41:37] zoning legislation Miss
[41:40] barash
[41:44] um um IAM chair I'll take mrri okay um I
[41:49] also have uh Mr Connelly from the uh
[41:51] planning department here also to give
[41:53] out uh uh maps of of the districts uh as well as to explain what some of the
[42:00] districts are and while he's doing that
[42:03] um just a a bit of
[42:06] a you know refresh everybody's
[42:09] recollection this was last before you uh
[42:11] last month referral was made to the city
[42:14] plan commission to uh pursu of disc
[42:16] connected city code for their review and
[42:18] input uh they uh reviewed it and then
[42:22] they have submitted a uh their
[42:24] recommendation to you regarding this um
[42:28] the moratorium is still in effect
[42:30] however it's expires next month it's
[42:34] February 11th so with the cycle that
[42:38] they are and the time that it the time
[42:41] that it is um you're going to have to
[42:45] call for that public hearing for January
[42:47] 27th on the draft and then pursuing to
[42:50] article 12b the general Municipal
[42:53] law amendment of a zoning code that hits
[42:56] on the orders of other municipalities
[42:59] has to be ref uh referred to the County
[43:02] Planning Department because this is
[43:04] Citywide so these districts obviously
[43:07] are hitting the boundaries of all the
[43:09] neighboring communities so assum article
[43:12] 12b of the general Municipal law just as
[43:15] you recall from back in the spring of
[43:17] last year we had to do a referral up to
[43:20] the uh County Planning Department for
[43:22] The Vape ordinance for their comment and
[43:24] review uh uh review and comment the same
[43:27] thing here they have up to 30 days so
[43:30] you can see how time is now moving along here so um the two asks U
[43:37] before we get into the details here the
[43:38] two asks added for this committee and
[43:41] for the council for the next cycle one
[43:44] calling for that public hearing on the
[43:45] draft on on on the 27th of January and
[43:49] two a transmitt resolution of the draft
[43:53] up to County planning for their review
[43:55] and comment so those are the the asks
[43:59] the immediate asks that you uh that are
[44:01] before you to move the process along
[44:06] um regarding the uh the the the proposed
[44:10] ordinance is that the Cannabis
[44:13] establishments which include uh retail
[44:17] dispensaries um as well as uh uh onsite
[44:24] consumption
[44:25] and uh retail dispensaries uh and micro
[44:30] businesses with a retail portion with a
[44:32] retail portion that's the kind
[44:35] of aspect that brings them into our our
[44:39] code here um cannabis estab
[44:41] establishments is defined above and
[44:43] that's in the in the code that's
[44:45] highlighted for you and those
[44:47] definitions are before you um are going
[44:49] to be limited to as we discussed before
[44:52] the M1 the industrial districts M2 C4
[44:55] and C5 Zone districts and C2 and C3 Zone
[45:00] districts subject to special use permit
[45:03] and uh uh Mr coning will tell you about
[45:05] the special use permit and then uh so at
[45:09] this point I'll let I'll turn it over to
[45:11] him regarding the maps and as well as to
[45:13] explain those districts and giving
[45:15] examples into those districts thank you
[45:17] so what the map is showing the the map
[45:20] is showing schools and churches as uh
[45:23] provided by our assessment office um as
[45:27] the the legislation is going to prohibit
[45:29] any new dispensaries or onsite
[45:31] consumption spots within 500 ft of those
[45:33] so all those dots whether they be in
[45:35] residential zones or not um no no
[45:39] establishments going forward could be
[45:41] within 500 ft of those locations and
[45:43] vice versa if there is a new dispensary
[45:46] or outside consumption spot that comes
[45:47] in um a new school church so on and so
[45:51] forth could not operate in those areas
[45:54] without getting the approval from the
[45:56] zoning board to for those uses as uh you
[45:59] know dispensaries and onsite conception
[46:01] establishments have been deemed by the
[46:02] state and the office of can Canabis
[46:04] management as locations that are not fit
[46:07] for these locations you know around youth miners so on and so forth
[46:13] um the planning commission's
[46:16] recommendation was to have it have uh
[46:19] their main change from Mr O'Brien's
[46:21] original legislation was to have onsite
[46:22] consumption spots via special use permit
[46:24] only um as that gives them essentially
[46:27] more authority to protect the
[46:29] residential interests um General site
[46:32] plan approval well if it's just
[46:34] permitted as of right they don't
[46:35] necessarily have the authority to look
[46:38] at issues such as
[46:39] nuisances um if there's any fumes from
[46:43] uh you know smoking outside whatever it
[46:45] may be they don't if it was permitted as
[46:47] of right that wouldn't be aspects that
[46:49] they were able to look at having the
[46:51] special use permit gives them the
[46:52] opportunity to do so and although the
[46:55] Office of canas canabas Management has
[46:57] the authority to issue onsite
[46:59] consumption licenses they have not
[47:02] rolled any out yet so we don't know what
[47:03] these on-site consumption spots are
[47:05] going to look at and the Planning
[47:06] Commission made the recommendation to be
[47:08] more proactive with their zoning and if
[47:11] the time comes when these establishments
[47:14] are rolled out and they're relatively
[47:15] unobtrusive to neighborhoods and and
[47:18] Residences then we can roll back a
[47:20] little bit but the intent was to be
[47:23] proactive instead of reactive um and
[47:26] give them the most Authority possible to protect the interest of the
[47:31] residential neighborhoods that might be
[47:32] adjacent to our commercial
[47:34] corridors um Madam president yes um I
[47:38] would just ask Mr Connelly to tell us
[47:41] about M1 M2 C4 and C5 what are those
[47:44] districts and uh you know give us
[47:47] examples for those districts yeah so M1
[47:49] and M2 are strictly strictly industrial
[47:52] and warehousing no no residentials
[47:54] allowed um no single family multi family
[47:57] none of that nothing of that sort um as
[47:59] you can see in the second half of there
[48:01] Technology Drive is an example of a
[48:02] heavily industrial Corridor um the Lower
[48:05] Broadway and grand grand uh Street areas
[48:08] as well off of Broadway industrial
[48:10] they're very there there aren't many of
[48:12] these M1 and M2 corridors um but their
[48:15] Express purpose is to have the uses that
[48:18] aren't fit to be around the residential
[48:20] NE so we thought it would be appropriate
[48:23] to have it as of right in those areas um
[48:26] C5 is the least restrictive commercial
[48:31] Corridor it's it's essentially the
[48:33] closest commercial corridors that we
[48:34] have to these industrial districts so
[48:37] while it's closer and more adjacent to
[48:39] residential neighborhoods um we there aren't very many of them and we
[48:43] generally allow higher leniency in terms
[48:46] of the impact that uh businesses may
[48:49] have so for example Upper State Street
[48:52] past cross toown Plaza is one of our C5
[48:55] business districts um cross toown Plaza
[48:57] itself C5 um the section of Dwayne
[49:00] Avenue if you familiar with the the big
[49:03] storage Warehouse off of 890 over by
[49:06] Odell Street these are just to give you
[49:08] a brief overview of some of our C5
[49:10] districts um commercial but not
[49:13] necessarily in the same regard as a C2
[49:15] District like uh Broadway in bellw or
[49:18] van Franken in the north side which are
[49:21] commercial in nature but are much more
[49:23] residentially oriented than some of
[49:24] these C5 districts um and then C4 is our
[49:28] downtown which is intended to be uh you
[49:32] know very commercial in
[49:33] nature we have or should I say New York
[49:36] State the ocm has uh legislation in
[49:40] place to restrict how many
[49:43] establishments can be in proximity to
[49:44] each other I believe we can't have any
[49:47] dispensaries within 1,000 ft of one
[49:49] another so even though the downtown
[49:51] district is very residential in some aspects um that prohibits sort of
[49:57] an over congestion of U dispensaries in
[50:00] that
[50:01] area um Madam chair regarding the
[50:05] special use permit for um what are the
[50:07] criteria when what's the planning board
[50:09] mandated to to look at what are the
[50:12] things that the planning board has to
[50:14] look at if they have to if applicant has
[50:17] to go before and get a special use
[50:19] permit that's going to look at it it
[50:21] looks at the impact the the more
[50:24] holistic so to speak impact that it
[50:26] might have on the on the residences if a
[50:29] general site plan approval we look at
[50:30] purely code is this curve cut legal um
[50:34] you know as is the sidewalk up to code
[50:36] so on and so forth this is going to look
[50:38] at how traffic patterns might be
[50:42] impacted as a result of this um we were
[50:45] talking earlier about the noise
[50:47] pollution that's been happening
[50:48] throughout the city that gives us a
[50:50] greater authority to analyze that um for
[50:53] example something that's already
[50:55] issuance to AAL shoes permit is is
[50:57] drive-throughs in most areas um the
[51:00] reason being is because of the pretty
[51:03] significant traffic impact that that can
[51:05] have on Commercial areas that might be
[51:07] next to residential corridors um so it gives us an expanded area to to view
[51:13] those impacts and how it might impact
[51:14] the day-to-day lives that we wouldn't
[51:16] have if you know for example a more
[51:19] mundane use that that could be allowed
[51:21] in those
[51:22] districts if that answers your question
[51:25] thank you yeah
[51:27] um so Mr Brian so the current
[51:31] existing um locations for cannabis will
[51:35] they will not be impacted by that that's
[51:37] correct they'll be grandfathered in in
[51:39] other words there'll be IL legal non
[51:40] performing use as long as they remain in
[51:43] that particular business the minute they move out and if a cannabis
[51:49] establishment does not move in then they
[51:51] lose their legal nonconforming use so
[51:55] those entities that are where they are
[51:58] right now that may not have fit into
[52:00] this category will stay there until such
[52:03] time they they're no longer business and
[52:06] for those there's some that um haven't
[52:08] opened yet but they they've chosen their
[52:10] location which is outside of what we're
[52:12] currently discussing that this ises
[52:15] impact anything that's that's already in
[52:16] the pipeline anything that was already
[52:18] in the pipeline would have wouldn't been
[52:21] impacted they would have been
[52:22] grandfathered and this pursuant to the U
[52:24] the moratorium that you all put in place
[52:27] back uh in November I think and if they
[52:31] had put their applications in then they
[52:33] were grandfathered in as well um and I
[52:36] know that two of them also had to go
[52:38] through special use permits the ones
[52:40] that were already in the process also
[52:43] had went through the special use permit
[52:45] process uh and approval by the planning
[52:48] board and that there's only one
[52:50] outstanding there's one outstanding it
[52:52] still needs to get a special use permit
[52:53] as well that is for a drive-thru it's
[52:54] not a special use permit to allow the
[52:56] use
[52:57] um to the locations wanted
[52:59] drive-throughs for their establishments
[53:01] that's why they need the special use
[53:02] drive-throughs are you know I know that
[53:04] drive-throughs are allowed by the office
[53:05] of Canabis management are they
[53:08] yes
[53:10] okay all right Mr F sure I was just I
[53:14] was just uh curious as to like um is is
[53:18] this kind of similar to like what we
[53:21] look at when when people are like maybe
[53:22] trying to open up a a bar or a pub or
[53:25] something like that is there any kind of
[53:26] consistency and we view that to for the
[53:29] time being no in terms of onine
[53:32] consumptions for the comparison for
[53:34] consumption to consumption no no no just
[53:38] um right now it's going it right now
[53:40] it's a little bit more restrictive the
[53:42] reason is for two reasons first of all
[53:45] ocm has restriction guidelines in terms
[53:47] of distances that are not in place for
[53:48] bars um and secondly as I mentioned
[53:51] there's we don't have any guidelines on
[53:52] how on-site consumption spots are going
[53:54] to look yet um so if it turns out to be
[53:57] an instance where maybe it's it's only
[54:00] THC infus selters or gummies or things
[54:03] of that sort where there's no smoking
[54:05] allowed maybe we could roll back some of
[54:07] the restrictions we could analyze it as
[54:08] those licenses come out but we don't
[54:10] know if that's going to be the case yet
[54:12] we don't know if it's going to have
[54:13] outdoor smoking patios or whatever it
[54:16] might be we just don't know so that's
[54:18] why we did it the way we did I guess I
[54:21] was thinking along lines of like um the
[54:23] churches and schools like the proximity
[54:25] the church schools as far as like what our so if somebody wants to open up
[54:31] a pup next to a school or something like
[54:33] that it doesn't we don't have anything
[54:36] that this wouldn't be anything that
[54:39] uh closely mirrors how that not on the
[54:43] local level I don't know the state lier
[54:47] Authority keeps those distances as far
[54:49] as and a lot of the distance you see
[54:51] here are based on state law the 200 ft
[54:54] the 500 ft to a school
[54:56] to state law from state that was
[54:58] something that was discussed at the
[54:59] Planning Commission meeting they wanted
[55:01] to in some instances expand those to
[55:03] make it different Mr O'Brien advised us
[55:06] that we couldn't alter it one way or the
[55:08] other just because we had to comply with
[55:09] the state
[55:13] guidelines Mr Tom thank you how how many
[55:16] applications are still pending that
[55:18] would be grandfathered in just one
[55:20] there's one there only one only one
[55:21] outstanding we had two at the last
[55:23] meeting um we have one outstanding one
[55:25] on Eastern Park way going into they want
[55:27] to go into the Old Key Bank across from
[55:29] the Family Dollar over there that's the
[55:30] only outstanding one that's left on our
[55:33] agenda on your agenda okay how how many
[55:36] dispensaries are open in the city or how
[55:39] many with that one pending would there
[55:41] be eight or nine or so we have one on
[55:45] Upper
[55:46] Union three or four downtown one in the
[55:48] I knew there were a lot in PE kind of I
[55:51] the applications coming in so there were
[55:54] three that got in right before the
[55:56] atorium two of them two of them have
[55:58] passed along um one of them has not
[56:01] provided all the sufficient application
[56:03] materials necessary so there's still so
[56:05] kind of this is it really have there
[56:07] been any more that have come in no not
[56:10] since the moratorium has been in place
[56:12] no well just to clarify this is it for
[56:15] within you know that we that's not going
[56:17] to be relegated to the areas that we're
[56:19] talking about they can still be within
[56:20] the city it's just like M1 M2 and then
[56:24] speci I wondered if there were any p
[56:26] applications no the the only one that I
[56:29] mean the one on Eastern Parkway would
[56:31] not fit in with this legislation um
[56:33] that's the only last one that that would
[56:35] be grandfa and as Mr O'Brien said if the
[56:38] one on Eastern Parkway opens and then
[56:39] has a change in ownership or same same
[56:41] goes for the one on up Union Street
[56:44] those would then be subject to these
[56:45] regulations and and the process would be
[56:47] different going forward um so let me
[56:49] just there was another one on Eastern
[56:51] Park like almost across the street did
[56:52] that one not get through the process
[56:53] this is the same same owners so so that
[56:56] Family Dollar location didn't work for a
[56:59] myriad out of reason so they purchased
[57:00] the lot across the street oh okay okay
[57:05] interesting uh my and this question
[57:07] actually probably is for you Mr O'Brien
[57:09] so there is within the state guidelines
[57:12] no limit of the number that we can have
[57:14] within a municipality right if we can't
[57:16] cap
[57:18] it okay
[57:23] wow if we can't we can't but
[57:26] geez who do we talk to about I mean
[57:29] there could just be a number so I think
[57:31] um based on what we're doing it's
[57:33] probably the best way to go at least we
[57:35] can limit where they are if we can't cap
[57:37] the number within our
[57:42] municipality so at this point in time um
[57:44] those were recommendations and Mr
[57:46] O'Brien you're I'm sorry were there any
[57:48] other questions or comments thank you
[57:49] very
[57:50] much so Mr O'Brien so are you saying
[57:54] that we need to both call for a public
[57:56] hearing and and also pass that with
[57:59] transmit it to County Planning yes Madam
[58:02] president yes two two resolutions uh to
[58:05] pass you one call for the public hearing
[58:07] on the 27th on the draft and the draft
[58:09] going up the county planing for its
[58:11] review and com right Mr man did you have
[58:14] are there yeah are there um would this
[58:17] apply to any site that want to cultivate
[58:20] cannabis well that you know the
[58:22] cultivate is the micro business has to
[58:26] have a retail aspect to it and then you
[58:29] know if it's a if it's a a micro
[58:31] business is is for an analogy like a
[58:34] micro Brewery in other words they
[58:35] develop their own product they grow
[58:37] their own product and then
[58:39] sell so they have to have a retail
[58:43] aspect and that's what this is is
[58:45] looking at is retail and you know
[58:50] and as indicated every Everything uh is
[58:53] going to require a special use permit
[58:57] whatever can this establishment in the
[58:59] C2 and C3 distri
[59:07] districts and the uh on-site consumption
[59:10] is is Mr
[59:12] uh is indicated is is that that
[59:15] regardless of zone is going to require a
[59:18] special use permit because you would ask
[59:22] The Regulators the the
[59:24] applicants um and and us this is a
[59:27] developing area of the
[59:29] law and that's you know we're all going
[59:34] through this so if you ask any any of
[59:36] them um uh any of the actors The
[59:40] Regulators the local municipalities the
[59:42] applicants it's a a developing area of
[59:45] the law and I think that recognizes that
[59:47] fact giving local control but
[59:50] also allowing these but also taking in
[59:54] consideration how they fit in
[59:57] and so just a follow because you and I
[59:59] had already discussed it's about the
[1:00:00] micro businesses right and you have to
[1:00:02] have a we know that you already have to
[1:00:03] have an establishment um but my concern
[1:00:06] was that if you were had an
[1:00:08] establishment where could you actually
[1:00:10] what is the distance does it have to be
[1:00:13] 25 miles outside the city is it within
[1:00:16] 25 miles of of their business what is
[1:00:20] yeah Madam chair it's it's 25 miles if
[1:00:24] they have one in here within that 20 M
[1:00:26] radius their
[1:00:28] cultivation part has their cultivation
[1:00:31] part of the operation has to be within
[1:00:33] that 25 mile radius of where they're
[1:00:35] located for the retail
[1:00:39] operation and they would have to have a
[1:00:40] special permit to for the
[1:00:42] cultivation um in those those C2 or C3
[1:00:47] now you know you know regarding the
[1:00:49] cultivation aspect that has you know
[1:00:52] whole separate requirements as far as
[1:00:56] you know how many square feet
[1:00:58] Etc so
[1:01:00] um you could ask for a special use for
[1:01:03] the cultivation aspects of it for
[1:01:05] example cultivation aspects only not the
[1:01:09] retail aspects right so cultivation
[1:01:12] aspects because that's a whole different
[1:01:15] aspect it's not a retail it's not it's a
[1:01:19] cultivation well for the sake of the
[1:01:21] council um I I think that that may be
[1:01:23] something we want to consider uh for a
[1:01:26] special permit for a cultivation aspect
[1:01:28] because based on what what I'm
[1:01:30] understanding is that conceivably if you
[1:01:33] have a large enough property within the
[1:01:35] city you can use it for cultivation if
[1:01:38] you own or own an
[1:01:43] establishment I don't know how long is
[1:01:45] the large Jack you
[1:01:48] know I I don't know exactly the
[1:01:50] specifications for the lot size that
[1:01:52] would be required for this but you
[1:01:53] couldn't just put it anywhere you know
[1:01:54] it would still need to be commercial
[1:01:56] owned um and it would it would still be
[1:01:58] sub you know if it was M1 M2 C4 or and
[1:02:02] C5 C4 would probably not fit into that
[1:02:05] just because the generally speaking the
[1:02:07] lot sizes are smaller um M1 M2 C5 have
[1:02:12] been determined that those would be more
[1:02:14] suitable for it as they're more
[1:02:15] commercial more business
[1:02:16] oriented if it was that case C2 C3 would
[1:02:20] be as we said before special use permit
[1:02:22] and it wouldn't apply to any residential
[1:02:24] zones at all so Mr if you could just provide us with
[1:02:29] the information about the cultivation
[1:02:30] part of it I know that we're going to
[1:02:31] move ahead what you can do just you know
[1:02:33] just move things forward here is just
[1:02:36] you know we change that one aspect where
[1:02:39] it requires a special use permit for the uh the on-site consumption and just
[1:02:45] say micro bus the cultivation
[1:02:49] aspects not the retail but the
[1:02:51] cultivation aspects of of a micro
[1:02:54] business will require a speci
[1:02:59] yes I would I think that would um make
[1:03:02] it at least that would be some say and
[1:03:03] have to come before the Planning
[1:03:05] Commission
[1:03:06] yeah we can do that I I can you know
[1:03:09] I'll mark that up add that into that one
[1:03:12] section down there and then you can go
[1:03:14] forward with the resolutions and and
[1:03:16] you'll have the final draft for next
[1:03:20] week anyhow because it has to be
[1:03:21] transmitted up to the county so I'm
[1:03:23] going to add that language okay thank
[1:03:26] you any other discuss discussion on this
[1:03:29] okay so um our next item is to actually
[1:03:32] call for a public hearing regarding the
[1:03:34] zoning ordinance so second all in
[1:03:38] favor and um also additionally we need
[1:03:41] to um um have a motion to transmit to
[1:03:45] the count to County
[1:03:48] Planning some second all those in
[1:03:53] favor is there anything else to come
[1:03:55] before development and
[1:03:57] planning if not ask for a motion to
[1:03:59] adjourn so move second all in favor we
[1:04:02] are adjourned thank you like to call the
[1:04:04] order of the claims committee we have
[1:04:06] three items on the agenda tonight um
[1:04:08] three of these will need to be discussed
[1:04:10] in the ex
[1:04:11] session have Mo ex
[1:04:15] session second session all those in
[1:04:17] favor all we are exective session
[1:04:19] members of the public will have to
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