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[3:12] off govern offic
[3:15] first I'd like to call the ORD connect
[3:17] the city council committee meeting for
[3:19] Tuesday February 18th
[3:22] 2025 the first um committee is
[3:25] government
[3:26] operations I'd like to call order
[3:28] government operations we have two
[3:30] items on the agenda today the first is
[3:32] the United neighborhood appointment to
[3:35] cprb Mayor
[3:37] McCarthy thank you Mr
[3:39] chairman submitted uh I think have the
[3:43] attached
[3:44] resume which was the recommendation
[3:49] from son know council president raising
[3:53] a question on that but that just
[3:54] happened it's still in the code
[3:57] requiring that to be a standing
[3:59] organization where we take references
[4:01] from and so at this point
[4:05] to look to be able to get a quum on the
[4:09] board would ask for the council to move
[4:12] this forward well the email said that
[4:15] they're disbanding it and deactivating
[4:17] it for now so sun's not even going to
[4:18] meet until they can get a number of
[4:20] people there the email that Lori sent
[4:22] and um she's going to send it to the
[4:24] entire Council I just was got that one
[4:26] which I forwarded to you so I would hope
[4:29] that we could wait until they made that
[4:30] final decision before so you're going to
[4:32] change the criteria for the police
[4:35] Community review board also we would
[4:37] have to if they're going to deactivate
[4:39] because they're on it's in the cold that
[4:40] they are part of them but they're saying
[4:42] they're not going to meet anymore
[4:43] something that we don't have control
[4:45] over so if we could just wait until they
[4:48] she's on vacation right now and she
[4:49] comes back and we can have that
[4:51] conversation on what that would look
[4:52] like and hold up until
[4:54] then Mr um I have been in contact with
[4:58] the chair for the even prb unrelated
[5:00] this issue I will be attending their
[5:02] upcoming meeting in March I know they
[5:04] had a number of suggestions for changes
[5:07] so I don't think that would be uh that
[5:10] fall in line with addressing and
[5:11] bringing up this issue as
[5:17] well so I was wonder if we could just
[5:19] hold it for two weeks until m m uh the
[5:21] president of of sun comes back and have
[5:23] a conversation with her and I don't know
[5:25] if we'll need to change the code but
[5:26] they she her email clearly was that
[5:28] they're going to not be meeting
[5:32] okay I don't have any problem with that
[5:34] I don't have the information any other
[5:35] questions comments concerns around that
[5:38] I'm go to okay all right I'll bring you
[5:41] back two weeks um second item on our
[5:45] agenda is amending chapter 28
[5:47] disconnected the city code and updated
[5:50] update the outdated language president
[5:51] pteri thank you so uh we know that we
[5:54] had our initial concern and what brought
[5:56] this forward was uh about meet getting
[5:59] meeting this is via email versus in in
[6:02] person or or snail mail us U postal mail
[6:06] so we already changed that but in that
[6:08] conversation some other things came up
[6:10] that people FL the language is outdated
[6:12] especially as it related to gender so um
[6:15] that's what this Mr uh O'Brien has
[6:18] brought forward and put forward some
[6:20] things that and changed it from him to
[6:23] them or there or um or the member so
[6:26] this is for everyone to review I did
[6:28] have one other question though there was
[6:30] there's um one of the part on the code
[6:32] because this isn't the entire code right
[6:33] here right this is just what the
[6:35] discussions are last time so the one
[6:38] where the very last um item in there
[6:40] about uh smoking and Chambers um you can
[6:42] always leave that in there because that
[6:44] way in case the law on nationally or not
[6:47] nationally the the law Statewide changes
[6:50] no smoke in the chambers always that I
[6:53] mean it's it's it's you can delete it
[6:56] but it's always good to have I mean I
[6:59] think
[7:00] um I know it's it's Statewide but you
[7:03] never know therefore you just leave it
[7:05] as is okay whatever you want to do I to
[7:09] me it's it's null and void because we
[7:10] don't smoke inside I don't smoke period
[7:13] but um but if living it there is no harm
[7:16] then it yes M um I was just wondering on Section
[7:23] 2824 procedure for Resolutions it says
[7:25] that we have to get our resolutions to
[7:27] the city clerk no later than 12 12 noon
[7:30] on the Thursday and I think it's isn't
[7:32] it 1:00 or is that just practice now
[7:35] it's probably this is the code so this
[7:37] is
[7:38] the and because the reason um is that 12
[7:43] noon is because the legislative
[7:44] conference happens at 1:30 1:45 so Sam's
[7:47] given that additional hour to give you
[7:50] that room but if you want if we want to
[7:51] move it up we can we can always V
[7:53] strictly by the code and make sure it's
[7:55] I like the 1:00 the 1:00 works for me I
[7:58] just didn't know if changing in here
[8:00] she's just giving that the grace that
[8:02] you know so people can get it in the
[8:06] same Mr chairman if if the council's
[8:09] okay with proposed amendments as
[8:11] indicated in the outline here um we
[8:13] require a public hearing and I'll you
[8:15] can do a resolution calling for a public
[8:17] hearing and then uh this will be have a
[8:20] public hearing on the 10th and then you
[8:21] can take care of this on the 24 of okay so a motion to um
[8:32] call
[8:35] to move I I'll move it I'll call for
[8:39] public hearing when that will be the
[8:41] 10th of March okay I'll second okay all
[8:44] those in favor hi hi okay that's the
[8:47] last item on our agenda for government
[8:50] operations um so I take motion to ajour
[8:53] so move second those in
[8:56] favor I'd like to call to order the
[8:58] Public Safety Committee we have we have
[8:59] one item on the agenda tonight that is
[9:01] the discussion for the review of noise
[9:03] permanent applications
[9:05] Mr thank you uh Mr chairman um and thank
[9:09] you for holding this um until I get back
[9:12] um this is something that we have been
[9:16] working um with for quite some time for
[9:18] a couple years now and finally we were
[9:21] able to pass the noise amended noise
[9:24] ordinance and I think it's fitting that
[9:26] we um we also passed um look at a formit
[9:30] application that we put in place so that
[9:32] we do not deny someone who would like to
[9:35] do a 5-year-old birday party in the
[9:37] backyard but at the same time we want to
[9:39] put things in place that we can hold
[9:43] these private events in your backyard
[9:47] but at the same time have respect for
[9:49] others in the surrounding neighborhood
[9:51] so what we have here and I want to thank
[9:53] Corporation Council and staff for
[9:55] working with this and put this together
[9:58] and chief Clifford and team to review it
[10:01] and to come back with changes to the
[10:03] coporation council and to kind of um
[10:07] preliminary um agree with the format
[10:09] that we have in front of us here so what
[10:11] we have here I would like to just you
[10:13] know open up for discussion review and
[10:15] if you would like to suggest any changes
[10:18] or you would like to add anything or
[10:19] delete any any stuff let us know before
[10:22] we move for with this um perit
[10:28] application any questions M PTO so will
[10:32] in terms of getting a permit is it going
[10:34] to be similar to like when there's a
[10:35] street closing multiple departments have
[10:37] to sign off on it would it be similar to
[10:39] that was that your that was not the
[10:41] intent okay um Mr chairman the intent
[10:44] was that just right now the code says
[10:47] the the chief of police is the the
[10:49] designated person or there designate and
[10:52] that's what this is it goes to the chief
[10:54] police they make the decision they know
[10:58] you know where it's going to be and who
[11:01] the points of contact are and and just
[11:03] following up with Mr M veren's comments
[11:07] and and to thank him for providing us
[11:09] with models from the city of New York
[11:12] and some towns out on of Long Island so
[11:14] this this template that see you know is
[11:17] kind of a
[11:18] u combining those and trying to make it
[11:21] as simple and easy to use as possible
[11:25] okay thank you m p yes um thank you um thanks for putting this together um
[11:31] and I appreciate that we're doing this I
[11:33] just had a couple of questions um I'm
[11:36] wondering about the whole professional
[11:37] fundraiser thing I'm assuming it that it
[11:40] must be part of a law or something that
[11:42] the person has to be a professional
[11:44] fundraiser and where are you getting
[11:46] that from on the first page on page well
[11:49] in our packet is I think it's just it's
[11:51] kind of is the applicant just just
[11:54] putting us on notice this is a
[11:56] fundraising event or is it's a
[11:58] professional fundraiser is going to be a
[12:00] fundraising EV if you don't want to have
[12:02] that in there you don't have to have
[12:03] that in there that was something we saw
[12:05] in some of the applications out on one
[12:07] Island they have that mhm cuz I would
[12:09] think that there might be you know um
[12:11] smaller Grassroots organizations that um
[12:15] I I guess is that going to influence a
[12:17] decision about whether somebody gets a
[12:18] permit because just as an example
[12:21] someone might be having an event at The
[12:22] Pavilion at Central Park for example and
[12:24] they might just be a
[12:25] Grassroots volunteer organization that
[12:28] doesn't have um staff at all or
[12:30] professional you know you know what I'm
[12:31] saying so I'm not sure if we need that I
[12:34] guess what I'm I mean if go ahead so I
[12:37] think it's just for a point of
[12:38] information I don't think it's going to
[12:39] prohibit them from from smaller groups
[12:42] that you talked about from doing it it's
[12:43] just for our information to know who's
[12:45] actually putting it on is how I see that particular question okay and then
[12:50] um just two other things one is um in
[12:53] terms of the proof of identity which I
[12:56] think it needs to say proof of identity
[12:58] but um same on still on page one down a
[13:03] little bit got it um just wanted to
[13:06] inquire about that so I want to make
[13:08] sure that we're not um putting up a
[13:10] barrier um you know if someone doesn't
[13:13] have a driver's license I know it says
[13:15] other form of photo ID but you know that
[13:19] might be a passport um but I mean what
[13:22] would be the other acceptable photo ID I
[13:24] think the the beauty of that is official
[13:26] it it doesn't limit you
[13:29] from an official means some sort of
[13:31] government entity whether it be a
[13:33] passport or Sheriff's ID or a driver's a
[13:35] non driver's license ID issued by Motor
[13:39] Vehicles something like that so the so
[13:41] the because we are asking the
[13:45] individuals to be have a responsible
[13:46] contact responsible person Etc this is
[13:49] just a matter of confirming that we'll
[13:51] take some sort of official ID so the
[13:53] person who's signing this is who they say they are so it's it's I think
[13:59] by saying official photo ID we're not
[14:01] limited to any particular Source but it
[14:05] has to be a government and I think
[14:07] that's implied okay and then my final
[14:09] thing is um
[14:12] whether we need to ask someone's age I
[14:15] mean would there be um you
[14:19] know if it was just a teenager with no
[14:21] parent or Guardian um is that something
[14:24] that we want or once again I think it's
[14:26] for situational Awareness on
[14:30] right no we we don't have that on here
[14:32] we don't ask we don't ask them for their
[14:33] age I'm not again I'm not trying to put
[14:35] up barriers but I just want
[14:37] to I I don't you
[14:41] know I we have not asked and you're
[14:44] saying we should ask is that what you're
[14:45] saying I'm not sure I mean again must be
[14:49] over yeah that's what I was if it's
[14:51] using a public space if it's using no
[14:53] these are private um private this is not
[14:56] for public space these are for private
[14:59] um private events then maybe somebody
[15:03] would need to have a parent or Guardian
[15:05] so whe rather than ask someone their age
[15:07] we could if if if you feel there's a
[15:09] stipulation there should be a
[15:10] stipulation that younger a person under
[15:13] 18 let's use that it for example then we
[15:15] could always put in there that um
[15:17] permits are only issue to individuals 18
[15:19] and older well or have a parent or
[15:21] Guardian signature or something the that
[15:24] means that the parent would have to get
[15:25] the permit maybe the parent would be the
[15:26] getting the permit that's not a bad IDE
[15:29] yeah right so why don't we just add
[15:31] applicant must be over 18 yeah we I just
[15:35] good point good point no that makes
[15:37] sense so we can just put applicant must
[15:39] be over 18 years yes any other questions
[15:43] or comments um M Toro thank you so I I
[15:48] again will there be a cost associated
[15:51] with this yes that's what I was going to
[15:52] address we discuss it but um we just
[15:55] want to bring it to the council um there
[15:57] is no cost in the there is no fees for
[16:01] this I mean the the sound noise
[16:06] ordinance does not set a fee it says
[16:10] that that it this is issued by the chief
[16:12] of police and it does not set a fee so
[16:15] whether you want a set a fee that's
[16:16] going to require an amendment to the
[16:18] city code right now this is in keeping
[16:21] with the code this is this is an
[16:23] application based on the code if you're
[16:26] looking to formalize through a fee then
[16:29] you're going to have to have a public
[16:30] hearing and then the ordinance is going
[16:32] to be have to be amended so it's up to
[16:35] you what you want to do on on on that Mr
[16:38] I was say can can I finish I have a few
[16:41] questions is that was it an additional
[16:44] question or were you going to comment on
[16:45] that additional questions I think people
[16:47] going to comment on that response okay
[16:50] Mr so quickly what I was going to say is
[16:52] that um this seems like a tool so in
[16:56] case there's somebody at their house and
[16:58] having an event
[16:59] and it's loud and police have to respond
[17:01] and therefore we have a record of the
[17:03] point person who we can say listen you
[17:05] know this is the person in J in charge
[17:07] of this event so I think that that was
[17:09] the purpose for this more than uh trying
[17:12] to uh further tax people have another
[17:15] fee I don't think that that's the
[17:17] intention and then Mr M yes and exactly
[17:20] to the point when this was discussed
[17:22] initially is how do we utilize our
[17:24] police resource in a better way rather
[17:26] than we sending to office or there just
[17:28] to tell someone loading music down here
[17:30] we have information on the desk and
[17:33] precin to call this individual to let
[17:35] them know that you're you know music is
[17:37] loud we're getting complaint you need to
[17:39] turn it down if you don't turn it down
[17:40] we have to come out here we're going to
[17:41] have to issue a citation so this is kind
[17:44] of like helping to kind of utilize or U
[17:47] the Staffing in a better way at the same
[17:50] time um in terms of fees yes we did
[17:53] discuss it initially but um we didn't
[17:55] arrive we were talking about 100 we're
[17:57] talking about 50 we were talking
[17:59] $25 so I say let's bring it to the
[18:01] counil and let's see what collectively
[18:04] we can add because yes this will will be
[18:08] taken away sometime to put the permit
[18:11] together and things like that and to
[18:12] kind of like Mand this in a way that you know if there has to make calls and
[18:17] things like that so this this individual
[18:19] which we hope not um so I think um I
[18:23] have in agreement that we put a fee
[18:25] attached to this but how much I will
[18:28] defer to to my colleagues to say what
[18:30] about the best possible fee we can
[18:31] attach here and at the same time yes
[18:33] once we put a fee to this we'll have to
[18:35] call for a public hearing so I'd say in
[18:38] my response to that I would kind of
[18:40] respond the the opposing I don't agree
[18:43] with us putting in place a fe I think
[18:45] especially in a year where taxes both in
[18:47] the city and county I think there was an
[18:49] article saying that those have increased
[18:51] I would agree with Mr Farley that this
[18:55] my support for this was to provide a
[18:57] clear means of addressing just um
[19:00] excessive noise and then also providing
[19:02] the police as you highlighted with the
[19:03] point of contact I think if we attribute
[19:05] a feed to this too early I think it
[19:07] might deter people from processing
[19:09] forward with these um again I would look
[19:11] at this from a cost savings to your
[19:13] point Mr M if officers have this
[19:15] information at the beginning um this may
[19:18] make it easier for them to address potential uh calls for excessive
[19:22] noise and I know Mr turo had additional
[19:25] points but mine was going to say to add
[19:27] in a component that required or expected
[19:30] anyone submitting for a permit to notify
[19:33] their adjacent neighbors just so that
[19:36] ensures that there is just clear
[19:37] communication all
[19:42] around we can add that about the
[19:45] application applicant acknowledgement
[19:47] form we'll just add that and bold you
[19:49] know a whole bunch of acknowledgements
[19:51] down here we just add that Mr Carl um
[19:56] thank you so I guess uh my next question
[19:59] would be um we know that the response
[20:02] time for police for noise complaints can
[20:04] be very
[20:05] lengthy um who intends to make these
[20:08] phone calls and um having a party do you
[20:12] think uh the individual hosting the
[20:14] party has a cell phone on them all the
[20:16] time and if the music's Lou are they
[20:17] going to be able to hear the phone call
[20:19] which would prompt a visit from the
[20:20] police anyway meanwhile the neighbors
[20:23] next door are trying to enjoy an
[20:25] afternoon um of peace after a hard week
[20:29] of work or whatever gardening and
[20:32] there's loud noise I probably have more
[20:35] noise complaints and a combination of
[20:38] all of you sitting around the table from my neighborhood at times uh where
[20:42] the complaints are addressed 2 4 6 8
[20:47] hours later and only because that our
[20:50] Police Department is busy making other
[20:52] calls in the city I'm not in favor of a
[20:54] permit to make noise um I just don't
[20:59] think uh it's something that we should allow especially
[21:04] just we're going to tell you there's six
[21:07] points now that we just passed for noise
[21:11] but yet you where you're allowed to make
[21:13] noise if someone says you can make noise
[21:16] at a certain hour I I just don't think
[21:18] that we should have a sound here in the
[21:21] city Miss bfield so I don't I don't see
[21:24] this as a permit to make noise it's just
[21:26] trying to regulate because they because
[21:28] the noise is already being made the
[21:30] noise is already being made I'll finish
[21:31] my point and so this isn't u a permit to
[21:35] say hey you can make noise cuz they're
[21:36] already doing it this is a way for us to
[21:38] keep track of what's going on and and
[21:40] also we just added that the neighbors
[21:42] would have to be informed so this is
[21:44] just what for us to try to get a better
[21:45] handle on what's already going on and
[21:48] making people aware that you're you
[21:50] signing this permit that you will go by
[21:51] these guidelines that you will inform
[21:53] your neighbors and those things it's
[21:55] already happening we're just trying to
[21:57] essentially regulate what already
[21:58] happening not not saying make more noise
[22:01] cuz I am not going to pull a permit to
[22:03] make noise I don't I don't do that now
[22:05] and many of my neighbors don't do that
[22:06] now so I'm expected to start happening
[22:09] since we have this so who who who Mr
[22:11] mudon will be responsible for calling
[22:14] these individuals that are hosting a
[22:17] city code um is clear that the police
[22:19] department is responsible for this this
[22:22] forment must yes I mean and just to
[22:24] follow up on the council president's
[22:26] earlier comments the individuals by
[22:29] acknowledging you still have to comply
[22:31] with this connected city code in fact
[22:33] they're giv a copy of the ordinance and
[22:38] they still have to comply with the you
[22:41] know the the the sound re you know you
[22:43] know this the sound the noise limits as
[22:47] set forth in that code this doesn't give
[22:49] them an exemption this this is just
[22:51] saying this is what we're doing we're
[22:54] putting you on notice this is what I got
[22:56] to do and is just for for us and the
[22:59] city to go out and if there's any issues
[23:01] they have a point of contact in which to
[23:03] reach but in order to get this there
[23:06] they're getting given a copy of the code
[23:08] and the acknowledgement says and says I acknowledge the sound reproduction
[23:12] rules of section 1824 J applied
[23:15] regardless of a sound permit any
[23:18] violations of disconnected noise ordance
[23:20] will be prosecuted so it's putting them
[23:22] on notice in sound reproduction is um
[23:26] you know noise you know between the
[23:27] hours 11 p.m. and 6:00 a.m. the
[23:29] following day I mean you can go through
[23:31] all the requirements of that section
[23:34] dealing with that applies and they're
[23:37] put on notice that
[23:39] applies so they that's it's it's it's a
[23:44] point of contact it's putting them on
[23:46] notice and uh uh the noise ordinance
[23:50] requirements all comply uh before
[23:53] switching to Mr mudaron I would say I
[23:55] think an underemphasized point from our
[23:58] previous Year's budget proceedings was
[24:00] the fully um fully approving the
[24:04] budgeted request from the fire
[24:06] department and the police department so
[24:07] on paper they have all of their
[24:08] requested positions now does that mean
[24:10] they have them in departments no because
[24:13] there's some individuals going through
[24:14] the academy however that pipeline was
[24:16] fully funded so I'd say the expectation
[24:19] very much is for them to respond based
[24:21] on their priorit of calls but I would be
[24:24] hesitant to not enforce this sort of
[24:27] progressive measure based on the
[24:29] perceived challenges or obstacles again
[24:30] to miss porterfield's point I think
[24:32] having information on the front end
[24:34] ensures that any response is more
[24:36] streamlined which is Saving Time Mr M
[24:40] yeah um thank you Mr Brian for
[24:42] clarifying this I mean on page three it
[24:45] outlined that the requirements and the
[24:47] followup documents that will be
[24:50] accompanying this formit so in my words
[24:53] it's not a free-for all I mean you have
[24:54] to apply for this um this song format
[24:58] it's not a noise formit it's a song
[25:00] formit so we just need to clarify those
[25:02] words because words matters and uh they
[25:06] clearly um given um private um homeowner
[25:10] an opportunity to have an event there
[25:11] but at the same
[25:12] time you are doing it in a way that does
[25:15] not affect your M birs and the
[25:17] information that is being that is being
[25:19] put on the application is to help our
[25:22] police department and I'm sure there are
[25:24] police officers there at the desk that
[25:27] can eventually identify this and we're
[25:29] not going to have 10 15 20 formates per
[25:32] week I mean this going to come in a few
[25:34] formates for weeks but theyve been able
[25:36] to manage it better and this is you know
[25:39] that's how we looked at it in a way of
[25:40] managing it and utilizing the resource
[25:43] in a better way mrle yeah I think um
[25:48] adding on to what Shar this is just this
[25:50] is a piece this is about accountability
[25:52] as well as efficiency so if you have so
[25:56] if we're you know if the concerns there
[25:58] are our um police officers limited uh
[26:02] ability to respond to some of these
[26:03] things and thank you for highlighting
[26:04] that Mr that um the the request was
[26:07] fully funded what this does is instead
[26:10] of those to earlier point two officers
[26:12] may be going to a house whatever you
[26:13] have a point of contact so which makes
[26:15] it more efficient so it really should be
[26:17] doing um addressing another one of your
[26:21] concerns around like well you know 2 to
[26:23] 6 hours responding now if there's some
[26:25] if a call comes in they can say let me
[26:27] speak to Mr John hey you have your sound
[26:30] permit here um to let you know that
[26:32] there has been some complaints and being
[26:33] able to mitigate that and and it's
[26:35] really around that level of efficiency
[26:37] and accountability for the person people
[26:39] are far less likely to violate um the
[26:43] code if they are going about it um and and doing this in the right way and
[26:48] now it's the educational piece of hey
[26:50] this is what the code is this is what it
[26:52] says M
[26:53] Patrick um I'm still thinking about my
[26:56] question so Mr if someone doesn't get a
[26:59] permit then what
[27:01] happens same thing Happ well I mean my
[27:04] answer to that would then they get shut
[27:06] down because that's
[27:08] required something bring automatically
[27:10] we'll get somebody over there in 4 to 6
[27:17] hours but I I do know and I think at one
[27:20] point when we've talked about these loud uh parties or music or Sound
[27:25] or whatever you want to call it that happens in the neighborhood
[27:28] I I believe that the police have the
[27:30] ability to confiscate the equipment that
[27:33] I right there are depending on the set
[27:37] of circumstances yes and do we have any
[27:40] way and I thought I I thought that they
[27:42] said that they do have a deciel kind of
[27:44] reading uh so that or if they can hear
[27:49] it 50 F 50 ft so
[27:52] 50 yeah it's the there's a DB
[27:55] rating so many bells and also a what the common sense
[28:01] component where if it can be heard so
[28:04] many feet away within a certain 50 50 ft
[28:07] yes yes and if it can be Hur in any
[28:10] residence regardless of whether the
[28:12] windows of the open are open or not so
[28:14] it's 50 ft open or Clos it doesn't
[28:17] matter if somebody's can hear it they
[28:19] can hear it as they approach and it's
[28:22] obviously so one more question so should
[28:24] neighbors you know notify your neighbors
[28:26] and your neighbors aren't willing they
[28:28] might be having a little afternoon
[28:30] brunch in the backyard and they're not
[28:32] in favor of this I mean can they reach
[28:34] out to the police department and say U
[28:37] my neighbor is putting a request in for
[28:40] a having a DJ birthday party in the yard
[28:43] and uh I'm having something of my own
[28:45] that won't be of any nuisance to anyone
[28:49] um then what happens Mr far so wouldn't
[28:54] I mean again I think it states really
[28:56] clearly that you still even with
[28:58] applying for this permit you still have
[29:00] to operate within the existing
[29:02] parameters of the code so that doesn't
[29:05] take away any of that so if I put in for
[29:08] a sound permit and my neighbor was
[29:11] putting in for a sound permit and then
[29:12] I'm having um tea in my yard and their
[29:15] sound is still loud or louder than what
[29:18] it should be then we still have those
[29:21] existing graduated interventions that we
[29:23] would have now so um it this doesn't in
[29:26] any way shape or form allow people act
[29:28] outside of the code as it exists this
[29:30] just is another piece of accountability
[29:32] and efficiency to make sure they do
[29:35] so so should Che and every per they will
[29:39] uh they will accompany the city the
[29:41] section with regards to this uh the
[29:44] noise every everybody will get a copy
[29:46] everybody will have a copy attached to
[29:48] the form it so it's really going to be
[29:50] defined in there and they're going to be
[29:52] knowledgeable to know that you know if
[29:55] there are things that stipulate how do
[29:57] we conduct ourselves not because you
[29:58] have a permit you are free to do
[30:01] whatever you want there are also
[30:03] limitation Mr
[30:06] Mayor I'll defer to the council member
[30:09] Mr oh thank you so where will they will
[30:12] the permits be available online will
[30:14] they file in the F office or the police
[30:16] department they'll be filed with the
[30:17] police department because the current
[30:19] code says the police chief or their
[30:21] designate will issue it so it's a matter
[30:24] of working up the rules and regulations
[30:27] that the internally with the police
[30:29] department but the code already says the
[30:31] police chief can make rules and
[30:32] regulations to implement
[30:36] this uh Mr Mar
[30:38] yeah
[30:40] again in terms of quantity sometimes we
[30:44] get uh 8 10 15 sometimes 20 calls for
[30:47] noise backed
[30:49] up uh to make this
[30:52] enforceable I don't believe you can
[30:54] allow just anybody to apply for the
[30:58] perit it has to be a property owner
[31:01] somebody who has dominion and control
[31:03] over the site and that if in fact there
[31:07] is a poor choice in their judgment that
[31:13] the strength becomes you ability to go
[31:15] back
[31:16] and they are fined cuz you get there the
[31:20] police get there and say oh uh it's not
[31:22] me it's John mudon that started this
[31:26] permit but he left an hour ago oh no
[31:29] it's uh Carl Williams that did it you
[31:31] get this circular debate from people who
[31:34] are doing these events and you have to
[31:37] be able to have some ability to assess
[31:40] the penalty and go back to the property
[31:44] owner is what I believe the strongest
[31:48] message that we can send to try and get
[31:50] compliance from this m and I think one
[31:54] of the idea that we asked for the ID the
[31:56] ID matches the address uh for the
[31:59] applicant so can then that brought one
[32:02] question should we say resident and
[32:04] non-resident or should we remove the
[32:07] non-resident because that's a a good
[32:09] point brought up by in terms of buy you
[32:13] know linking this to the
[32:14] homeon or the person who's living at
[32:17] that address sorry I should broaden that
[32:20] Miss Patrick I guess you could change I hear what you're saying and that's a
[32:23] good point but if they're the owner
[32:25] might be the non-resident in other words
[32:27] so it might just the the semantical
[32:29] semantics in terms of owner or or or
[32:33] something like that but that's a that's
[32:35] a good point and the only other question
[32:37] that I had was um a process question of
[32:40] did did you um talk about this with with
[32:44] the police department yeah okay thanks
[32:47] it was V by the commission of Public
[32:49] Safety uh Eric Clifford and his staff
[32:53] great thank you and our cooperation
[32:55] Council
[32:58] yeah I have a couple of questions well a
[33:00] statement actually so because the mayor
[33:02] talked about well first of all I think
[33:04] that when if the police have to go
[33:07] somewhere in here we should have written
[33:09] that um the permit must be produced if
[33:12] police request because they may say oh I
[33:13] have a permit that we should let them
[33:15] know that if the police do have to come
[33:17] you have to produce the permit that's
[33:19] been issued um and in terms of homeowner
[33:22] or resident or whatever we're going to
[33:24] call them I guess for me the question
[33:26] becomes what if it's a PR event but it's
[33:28] at a it's someplace else it's in it's at
[33:33] a different venue rather than someone's
[33:36] home then it's not the homeowner but it
[33:38] definitely with the ID and whoever those
[33:41] things should match but the question
[33:42] comes up again what if it's I'm not
[33:44] holding it at my home I'm holding it
[33:46] someplace
[33:48] else I um go
[33:50] ahead yes I mean there is a responsible
[33:54] party has to be on premises Point time
[33:57] so there has to be they're they're agreeing that you know they're
[34:02] consenting to the inspection as well as
[34:04] that the responsible P
[34:06] primary party or primary point of
[34:08] contact shall be at the premises at all
[34:10] times wherever the premises is right yes
[34:13] that's where we're talking where this
[34:15] point is okay and um my other this is
[34:19] food for discussion do we want to add
[34:22] something that says if after a violation
[34:25] or a number of violations that people
[34:27] are no longer
[34:28] issued permits for a certain amount of
[34:29] time well though then we would have to
[34:31] change the code for that there's nothing
[34:33] in the code right now so you want you
[34:34] would have to the code okay Mr U thank
[34:38] you so I I do like the idea of the
[34:40] property owner for sure um having to get
[34:43] the so if it's hold off premisis like in
[34:46] a park a lot of people have things in a
[34:48] park do they need a permit to use the
[34:50] Park area they already do that's already
[34:53] done Park Department right so they'd
[34:56] have to um
[34:58] you know being in Central Park and up at
[35:01] Hill h a lot I mean there's just a lot
[35:03] of um it it's beautiful you know uh
[35:05] individuals who decide that day they're
[35:07] going to just set up overide the duck
[35:10] pond and have themselves you know little
[35:13] canopy bring a barbecue you know all the
[35:15] kids are there they got music flaring I
[35:17] mean is that being enforced that they
[35:19] have a permit to be there at that
[35:22] time and now with a sound permit as
[35:25] well you just brought up premises I'm
[35:28] wondering Miss Patrick I think it more
[35:31] is just um on the public um on the for
[35:34] example just to stick with the Central
[35:36] Park it's the Pavilion I mean it's know
[35:39] if they were on the you know the grass
[35:41] um somewhere in you
[35:44] know near the rose you know on the other
[35:46] side of the Rose Garden I don't think
[35:48] you required to have a permit to use the
[35:51] public facility in aart I'm sorry
[35:53] interrupt is a news person from Channel
[35:54] 13 supposed to see you at some point did
[35:57] you do you know anything about that no
[35:59] are you Mr M there yes should tell him
[36:02] he needs to leave yes okay he's not
[36:04] filming but well they're it's a public
[36:07] meeting so they can be in the building
[36:09] okay all right fine thank
[36:14] you so they need the permit anywhere in
[36:17] the park not just to rent not to use a
[36:20] space like Pavilion well in Central Park
[36:23] I'm sorry in Central Park you actually
[36:24] do have to pay for the Pavilion yes no I
[36:26] know I know that's why we get complaints
[36:29] in Central Park from people who bring
[36:32] their cars there turn music up to
[36:35] extraordinary
[36:36] levels and whose logic behind that I
[36:40] don't quite understand but it
[36:44] happens M yeah so um I just want to
[36:49] reference a couple notes that we're
[36:50] taken in so we're making some adjustment
[36:52] here so added to this application is
[36:55] applicant must be over 18 years
[36:58] and you must notify adjacent neighbors
[37:02] and um thank you for your point U permit
[37:05] must be posted so that way it's visible
[37:07] that uh if the police happen to show up
[37:09] there well they already know that
[37:11] there's a permit but it must be visible
[37:13] to others to to notify the the
[37:15] surrounding
[37:17] neighbors I'm still going to go back in
[37:19] terms of the cost I mean this across the
[37:22] board if you should not be charging or
[37:23] just could be pastro
[37:28] M bfield I'm I'm not in favor of
[37:29] charging at this point Mr Farley and
[37:32] know Miss
[37:35] Patrick so I yeah I I think that right
[37:37] now this is again about accountability
[37:39] and some level of efficiency so at this
[37:42] point I think that we don't need to
[37:44] assign a fee um to it uh because if
[37:48] anything this operates in the way we
[37:49] think it will make the enforcement of
[37:51] the existing noise ordinance uh easier
[37:55] to enforce without having those
[37:57] resources out so I don't see the logic
[37:59] behind the signing a feed to it at this
[38:03] time I mean I'm fine with that I think
[38:06] that um you know they'll have to pay a
[38:07] fine which is in the ordinates if if
[38:10] they you know break this
[38:13] it Mr
[38:17] Toro M uh Mr chairman you could always
[38:20] revisit this issue and add a fee and
[38:23] like to see how this rolls out and if
[38:25] you feel you want to add a fee to it you
[38:27] can do it a later date so you have that
[38:31] op U just being responsive to Mr M's
[38:34] question um Mr to you response um I'm
[38:37] not in favor of the permit to begin with
[38:39] but I if anything that has to generate
[38:42] time and paper and energy into um having
[38:46] a permit issue should be charged to
[38:51] fee and I just say uh in response to
[38:54] that U definitely reating what Mr
[38:56] highlighted this is a living document um
[38:58] just because something has passed
[38:59] doesn't mean it's going to fully address
[39:01] all the issues so I think it's going to
[39:02] require us to continue to UM Vet any
[39:07] complaints or U comments that we reive
[39:10] in regards to this and just as a city
[39:12] it's our requirement to be responsive to
[39:14] those in Good
[39:16] Nature Patrick yeah that was kind of
[39:18] what I was going to say was um maybe you
[39:20] know once first of like when would this
[39:22] go into when would this start and then
[39:25] um could we have an evaluation period
[39:27] you know set something like 6 months or
[39:29] whatever I don't know but um where we
[39:31] come back and um evaluate whether this
[39:34] is working or you know what are the
[39:36] tweaks that type of
[39:40] thing is this is this change the the
[39:44] code in there and in
[39:49] the existing fee structure for say the
[39:53] street closing perits or is that able to
[39:58] be done by resolution
[40:01] or by ordinance Chang got be ordinance
[40:04] especially for this
[40:06] because right now it's the noise
[40:08] ordinance doesn't have it never created
[40:10] that so it's just the council or time
[40:13] has always tried to move away from the
[40:15] change by ordinance but to be able to
[40:18] change it by resolution so that if you
[40:20] were putting it in it just simplifies
[40:23] the process down the road what what you
[40:26] could do do going forward is amend the
[40:31] code allow for the fee and then say any
[40:34] subsequent changes to the fee will be
[40:35] done by
[40:37] resolution but still I mean that's going
[40:40] forward if you decide to do a
[40:42] code Mr chairman just for the you know
[40:45] for the short term I will go back take
[40:48] the revisions that were discussed here
[40:50] tonight and then two weeks I'll give you
[40:53] a final draft and then you can take one
[40:56] last look and then you can just pass
[40:59] that out the committee it doesn't
[41:00] require any legislative action and then
[41:03] our office the legal office work with
[41:05] the police department on the the process
[41:07] on the way ahead of working this
[41:10] out uh Mr thank you for your work on
[41:13] this is that a suitable recommendation
[41:15] back in two weeks with the Chang that's
[41:17] fine yes look there's changes we need to
[41:19] see the revised verion and move for and
[41:22] thank everyone for uh you know your
[41:24] input in regards to this thank you okay
[41:27] uh if there are no other items thatall
[41:29] Public Safety can I please have a motion
[41:31] to adjourn second all in
[41:34] favor I'd like to call the order St City
[41:36] development and planning we have 10
[41:38] items on the
[41:39] agenda um the first item is just to Mrs
[41:43] car is not here but simply a reminder
[41:45] that St Clair's Redevelopment and
[41:47] resoning will have a public hearing on
[41:50] the 24th of
[41:52] February the next item is a ceremony
[41:54] resolution recognizing Reverend Bradley
[41:56] Jones Mr T yes thank you so
[42:00] uh Reverend has been a constant
[42:03] throughout our uh years here at the city
[42:06] council with prayer and invocation for
[42:09] us and uh he's retiring and um we like
[42:12] to uh see that we give him a u
[42:15] ceremonial resolution at his requirement
[42:18] service in April and I've been in CL
[42:20] with his office and they will give us
[42:23] some information uh that we can put on
[42:25] the ceremonial resolution for him
[42:27] any questions or comments I'm Mo second
[42:30] all in
[42:31] favor the next is a ceremonial
[42:33] resolution recognizing women's History
[42:35] Month Miss pck yes thank you um women's
[42:38] history month is the month of March um
[42:41] and we have uh done this in the past
[42:43] where we've had a ceremonial resolution
[42:45] recognizing women's History Month this
[42:47] year uh the 2025 theme for women's
[42:50] history month is moving forward together
[42:52] women educating and inspiring
[42:55] generations and so it really talks about
[42:58] uh the ability to be able to nurture um
[43:01] in all of us but you know in young
[43:03] people um you know how educators uh do
[43:06] nurture the idea of having critical
[43:08] thought and and being able to have
[43:11] debate and how that impacts impacts our
[43:14] uh democracy um so I'd like to honor
[43:18] that any questions or comments I'm Mo
[43:21] those all second all in favor I thank
[43:25] you the next item is a ceremonial
[43:27] resolution welcoming the New York
[43:28] Phoenix basketball team to SKC Mr
[43:31] Williams so I going
[43:34] to curtail my excitement but I am beyond
[43:38] uh uh for the longest time I've been
[43:41] looking forward to a professional team
[43:43] returning to SKC um as we highlight um
[43:47] the achievements of
[43:50] um black or African-American teams in in
[43:53] Prior years past with reference to the
[43:54] mo Giants I think skincity and our our
[43:57] booming City and the progressive steps
[44:00] we're taking uh having a sporting team
[44:03] that we can allow the city to Rally
[44:05] behind um and I think looking beyond the
[44:07] family fun and affordable entertainment
[44:10] truly evaluating them on their
[44:12] commitment to uh mentoring and putting
[44:15] in place a lot of Youth Development
[44:17] opportunities truly speaks for itself so
[44:19] I am uh calling in the existence that
[44:21] this will be a successful partnership
[44:23] and I hope that I will see you all on
[44:25] their opening night on the 20
[44:27] I already brought my season courtside
[44:30] tickets and I'm I'm identifying myself
[44:32] as a Courtside season ticket
[44:34] holder um but I'd be excited to um see
[44:38] the support to push this forward Mr
[44:40] Mayor Madam president will council
[44:42] member Williams make the first basket
[44:45] present the resolution or if they allow
[44:47] him I think he would really want to do
[44:50] that it's all excited official
[44:54] jersey I'm I'm about this oh I'll second
[44:57] it all those in favor I thank
[45:00] you um the next item is the lease
[45:03] agreement 13 North Broadway M M
[45:06] Bar
[45:10] um so the city parking lot on North
[45:13] Broadway and Liberty Street uh there is
[45:15] a uh section of Green Space um take a
[45:20] look at the
[45:22] separate um page in your folders excuse
[45:26] me can I I thought we were um there was
[45:28] an email that we were bringing this back
[45:29] in 2 weeks Oh I thought so but you
[45:31] called on before okay well then I
[45:33] thought that you okay your back I just
[45:36] wanted to you give you that
[45:40] opportunity I beg your pardon yes you
[45:43] were so we'll be bringing this back into
[45:45] two weeks have to go to make sure that
[45:48] everything is um all the information in
[45:51] the uh permit was correct as the
[45:52] information I
[45:55] received okay
[45:58] um the remaining items are property
[46:00] sales we will handle those in the
[46:01] executive
[46:03] session so I will ask for a motion to
[46:06] recess so move second all in favor we
[46:09] are recessed thank you I will call to
[46:12] where the claims committee we have one
[46:13] item on the agenda tonight I'm pretty
[46:15] sure that needs to be discussed in
[46:16] executive session yes Mr chairman all
[46:19] right so I'll ask
[46:20] for
[46:22] oops it's just him he left okay can you
[46:27] see him can you see him
[46:31] he for one
[46:34] minut you has some kind of
[46:41] BU you too what's that fight for I think
[46:46] called
[46:47] yeah he
[46:50] sick Sam Sam
[47:06] uh just asking for a motion to enter
[47:08] executive session so move all right I
[47:10] second all those in
[47:13] favor members of the public will have to
[47:15] leave
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