1 00:00:00,000 --> 00:00:01,760 Um this is the followup for the last 2 00:00:01,760 --> 00:00:04,400 meeting where we started to talk about 3 00:00:04,400 --> 00:00:06,960 um fees and we also talked about um 4 00:00:06,960 --> 00:00:09,280 there was the one point that Demani had 5 00:00:09,280 --> 00:00:12,160 brought up on the rules um regarding 6 00:00:12,160 --> 00:00:14,040 having the parent or guardian and what 7 00:00:14,040 --> 00:00:18,000 age. So I think if we start um talking 8 00:00:18,000 --> 00:00:21,039 about sort of fees and I know that uh 9 00:00:21,039 --> 00:00:22,960 you guys have had we've been talking 10 00:00:22,960 --> 00:00:26,880 about fees and how to manage Yeah. I 11 00:00:26,880 --> 00:00:31,599 think these Yeah. So um and I did have a 12 00:00:31,599 --> 00:00:34,079 conversation with Bill today also. So I 13 00:00:34,079 --> 00:00:36,079 have some insight as to what you guys 14 00:00:36,079 --> 00:00:38,000 discussed. So do you guys want to talk 15 00:00:38,000 --> 00:00:40,000 about that? 16 00:00:40,000 --> 00:00:42,800 Director of parks. Well, one of the 17 00:00:42,800 --> 00:00:44,239 things we've looked at, Carmela, is when 18 00:00:44,239 --> 00:00:45,840 we're looking at collecting the fees, 19 00:00:45,840 --> 00:00:47,680 the we're not sure how many 20 00:00:47,680 --> 00:00:49,840 non-residents we expect at the pool, as 21 00:00:49,840 --> 00:00:52,879 in adults and kids, there's a concern 22 00:00:52,879 --> 00:00:55,199 that we have some startup costs in our 23 00:00:55,199 --> 00:00:56,239 budget that we're going to have to come 24 00:00:56,239 --> 00:00:57,399 up with money 25 00:00:57,399 --> 00:01:00,160 with. And without having any data saying 26 00:01:00,160 --> 00:01:02,719 we expect, 1500 adults or there's a 27 00:01:02,719 --> 00:01:03,680 concern that we're never going to make 28 00:01:03,680 --> 00:01:04,960 that money back again. We're going to 29 00:01:04,960 --> 00:01:08,000 have a deficit built already, 30 00:01:08,000 --> 00:01:10,040 right? 31 00:01:10,040 --> 00:01:12,799 So, it seems like maybe there's more 32 00:01:12,799 --> 00:01:15,119 that has to be done um before we can 33 00:01:15,119 --> 00:01:17,600 consider doing it for this summer. Well, 34 00:01:17,600 --> 00:01:19,200 I think the one thing is last summer, 35 00:01:19,200 --> 00:01:21,040 you know, we we we we rush to get 36 00:01:21,040 --> 00:01:22,720 everything dug. You know, got our 37 00:01:22,720 --> 00:01:25,799 chemicals in. Um we were 38 00:01:25,799 --> 00:01:27,759 still sort of playing on the chemicals 39 00:01:27,759 --> 00:01:29,200 the best way to run the pool, operate 40 00:01:29,200 --> 00:01:32,560 it, and you know, a couple things I've 41 00:01:32,560 --> 00:01:34,799 heard. And so, you look at that new 42 00:01:34,799 --> 00:01:36,640 cost. So if we're looking at collect 43 00:01:36,640 --> 00:01:37,840 fees, you know, obviously we're not 44 00:01:37,840 --> 00:01:38,880 going to collect fees that are going to 45 00:01:38,880 --> 00:01:41,920 offset the cost of our pool. It's not, 46 00:01:41,920 --> 00:01:43,600 you know, the expenses running and 47 00:01:43,600 --> 00:01:45,119 operating pool even for the, you know, 8 48 00:01:45,119 --> 00:01:47,360 to nine weeks. I don't think we could 49 00:01:47,360 --> 00:01:50,560 ever we can't recoup that much in in 50 00:01:50,560 --> 00:01:51,920 Yeah, you can't do it in a 9 week 51 00:01:51,920 --> 00:01:54,079 period. I mean, you know, we contract 52 00:01:54,079 --> 00:01:56,159 out the lifeguarding, you know, you have 53 00:01:56,159 --> 00:01:58,399 the chemicals. We have, you know, our 54 00:01:58,399 --> 00:02:00,000 staff that's going every morning to 55 00:02:00,000 --> 00:02:01,680 vacuum the pool, make sure the, you 56 00:02:01,680 --> 00:02:02,960 know, the chlorine is the right level 57 00:02:02,960 --> 00:02:04,960 before it even opens. 58 00:02:04,960 --> 00:02:07,520 um we put in the in the budget this year 59 00:02:07,520 --> 00:02:12,000 for uh security for the nine weeks. So, 60 00:02:12,000 --> 00:02:14,720 you know, we don't, you know, look until 61 00:02:14,720 --> 00:02:17,040 we get a the true cost, what it's going 62 00:02:17,040 --> 00:02:19,920 to cost us on the pool. Um and the other 63 00:02:19,920 --> 00:02:21,840 that came up with this, you know, from 64 00:02:21,840 --> 00:02:23,280 one of the guys did here last year, one 65 00:02:23,280 --> 00:02:24,599 of the things 66 00:02:24,599 --> 00:02:27,760 was, you know, if we get all the 67 00:02:27,760 --> 00:02:29,920 residents, if they have the proper ID, 68 00:02:29,920 --> 00:02:31,760 they'll come in for free or do they pay 69 00:02:31,760 --> 00:02:34,239 a fee? We don't know. non-residents do 70 00:02:34,239 --> 00:02:36,480 they pay the fee or they log last year 71 00:02:36,480 --> 00:02:38,519 because we didn't meet the limit on 72 00:02:38,519 --> 00:02:42,319 capacity. It was hot last year. 73 00:02:42,319 --> 00:02:44,760 There was some complaints that 74 00:02:44,760 --> 00:02:46,879 um city residents couldn't be in the 75 00:02:46,879 --> 00:02:48,920 pool. They're 76 00:02:48,920 --> 00:02:52,640 taxpayers and you know we have non- 77 00:02:52,640 --> 00:02:54,959 taxpayers because they pay well actually 78 00:02:54,959 --> 00:02:58,239 have to pay you have a fee for them. If 79 00:02:58,239 --> 00:03:01,680 people pay non- taxpayers then the tax 80 00:03:01,680 --> 00:03:03,280 the payers they can't get in. They're 81 00:03:03,280 --> 00:03:04,640 standing in line. We have to turn them 82 00:03:04,640 --> 00:03:07,440 away. So there's things you know we have 83 00:03:07,440 --> 00:03:09,760 to take into consideration. That's all. 84 00:03:09,760 --> 00:03:13,760 Um you know with the fee structure um 85 00:03:13,760 --> 00:03:16,560 you know we have fee structure non 86 00:03:16,560 --> 00:03:18,159 residents and residents. We have a 87 00:03:18,159 --> 00:03:21,400 capacity level. When we're full what 88 00:03:21,400 --> 00:03:24,239 happens? you get, you know, half the 89 00:03:24,239 --> 00:03:26,159 people they were going in and they were 90 00:03:26,159 --> 00:03:27,760 paying customers because they're 91 00:03:27,760 --> 00:03:29,519 non-residents, but then we have a bunch 92 00:03:29,519 --> 00:03:30,640 of families out there with kids that 93 00:03:30,640 --> 00:03:32,640 can't get in and they're city residents 94 00:03:32,640 --> 00:03:34,400 and they say, "Well, we paid the taxes 95 00:03:34,400 --> 00:03:36,000 to build this school." Yeah. Or 96 00:03:36,000 --> 00:03:38,400 whatever. You know, so I think that's a 97 00:03:38,400 --> 00:03:40,959 decision that has to be at least thought 98 00:03:40,959 --> 00:03:44,000 about. Yeah. I think that um the last 99 00:03:44,000 --> 00:03:45,360 couple of meetings that we've had with 100 00:03:45,360 --> 00:03:46,720 this committee, I think we were all 101 00:03:46,720 --> 00:03:48,560 pretty much in a we all were in 102 00:03:48,560 --> 00:03:50,400 agreement that residents would not be 103 00:03:50,400 --> 00:03:53,120 paying a fee uh to use to use the pool. 104 00:03:53,120 --> 00:03:54,879 So I think the only thing that was under 105 00:03:54,879 --> 00:03:56,400 discussion was was you know 106 00:03:56,400 --> 00:03:58,879 non-residents but I think given the 107 00:03:58,879 --> 00:04:01,120 given fact that you know we would have 108 00:04:01,120 --> 00:04:02,720 different equipment that we would need 109 00:04:02,720 --> 00:04:05,760 it we have to figure out staffing and we 110 00:04:05,760 --> 00:04:07,519 haven't um thought about that in terms 111 00:04:07,519 --> 00:04:10,480 of this year's budget. Um it seems to me 112 00:04:10,480 --> 00:04:16,959 like we spend time you know still and we need data uh that you guys will 113 00:04:16,959 --> 00:04:18,880 be collecting this summer. So it see it 114 00:04:18,880 --> 00:04:20,799 seems like you know we have to sort of 115 00:04:20,799 --> 00:04:23,880 put that idea of having the fee 116 00:04:23,880 --> 00:04:26,720 structure sort of on hold so we have the 117 00:04:26,720 --> 00:04:29,199 data and can make some decisions and 118 00:04:29,199 --> 00:04:30,720 sort of return to that discussion so 119 00:04:30,720 --> 00:04:32,800 that we're ready to go for 2026. We 120 00:04:32,800 --> 00:04:34,479 tried to anticipate some of the costs. I 121 00:04:34,479 --> 00:04:36,400 mean, like I said with the security, you 122 00:04:36,400 --> 00:04:38,400 know, our chemical costs, you know, 123 00:04:38,400 --> 00:04:41,960 different things. Um you know and you 124 00:04:41,960 --> 00:04:45,199 know this we have a meeting scheduled 125 00:04:45,199 --> 00:04:48,320 for next week um with Boys and Girls 126 00:04:48,320 --> 00:04:49,720 Club 127 00:04:49,720 --> 00:04:53,759 um to start talking about you know their 128 00:04:53,759 --> 00:04:55,560 role 129 00:04:55,560 --> 00:04:57,919 uh you know and again a contract with 130 00:04:57,919 --> 00:04:59,360 them what their fee would be for this 131 00:04:59,360 --> 00:05:03,360 year to operate in all three pools. Um 132 00:05:03,360 --> 00:05:06,400 yeah so you know hopefully we'll meet 133 00:05:06,400 --> 00:05:09,120 with them on Monday um and hopefully you 134 00:05:09,120 --> 00:05:11,919 know it's a drought contract some ideas 135 00:05:11,919 --> 00:05:13,880 just ask some technical 136 00:05:13,880 --> 00:05:16,320 question you don't seem to have a quum 137 00:05:16,320 --> 00:05:18,800 we don't so um I did check that we could 138 00:05:18,800 --> 00:05:20,960 still move we have all these wonderful 139 00:05:20,960 --> 00:05:23,759 people have come u but uh Dorian and 140 00:05:23,759 --> 00:05:25,520 Demani are not here so we don't have a 141 00:05:25,520 --> 00:05:28,240 quorum we can't vote on anything but um 142 00:05:28,240 --> 00:05:30,160 we could still at least discuss some of 143 00:05:30,160 --> 00:05:31,919 the issues and then next week when we 144 00:05:31,919 --> 00:05:34,720 have city council committee. Um I'll try 145 00:05:34,720 --> 00:05:37,639 to bring some things forward and 146 00:05:37,639 --> 00:05:40,160 um and you know try to vote some things 147 00:05:40,160 --> 00:05:41,680 out of committee if we have if we have 148 00:05:41,680 --> 00:05:44,639 to make decisions. But I I think it's 149 00:05:44,639 --> 00:05:47,120 sounding like um at least for the summer 150 00:05:47,120 --> 00:05:50,400 of 2025 we may not be um might not be 151 00:05:50,400 --> 00:05:52,000 the right timing to be able to try to 152 00:05:52,000 --> 00:05:53,840 figure out a new structure for this 153 00:05:53,840 --> 00:05:55,680 summer. Is is that what we're hearing 154 00:05:55,680 --> 00:05:58,160 pretty much? You know, I you've been 155 00:05:58,160 --> 00:06:00,080 doing a lot of research on I've been 156 00:06:00,080 --> 00:06:01,280 looking at everything and one of the 157 00:06:01,280 --> 00:06:02,800 things one of the questions I had is are 158 00:06:02,800 --> 00:06:05,039 we going to charge out all the pools? 159 00:06:05,039 --> 00:06:06,880 Well, that that is a decision that has 160 00:06:06,880 --> 00:06:08,960 to be made. I think again when we've had 161 00:06:08,960 --> 00:06:12,960 the last couple of meetings we've been operating thinking that what 162 00:06:12,960 --> 00:06:14,720 we decide for one of the pools would be 163 00:06:14,720 --> 00:06:17,840 the same for all pools. Um but I can't I 164 00:06:17,840 --> 00:06:21,280 mean again without my colleagues here um 165 00:06:21,280 --> 00:06:24,800 you know how do you guys feel about it? 166 00:06:24,800 --> 00:06:27,280 Well, again, it's how we manage it. We 167 00:06:27,280 --> 00:06:28,560 would, you know, if it's all the pools, 168 00:06:28,560 --> 00:06:31,840 we have to somebody taking those fees 169 00:06:31,840 --> 00:06:34,400 every day and all the pools. And who is 170 00:06:34,400 --> 00:06:36,160 it? Who is it going to be? Is it are we 171 00:06:36,160 --> 00:06:38,319 going to ask our our contractor, which 172 00:06:38,319 --> 00:06:39,520 would be Boys and Girls Club, if they 173 00:06:39,520 --> 00:06:41,600 want that responsibility and liability? 174 00:06:41,600 --> 00:06:43,280 Is it going to be the city who put 175 00:06:43,280 --> 00:06:46,080 somebody there? Um, and then at the end 176 00:06:46,080 --> 00:06:49,199 of the day, you know, that would have to 177 00:06:49,199 --> 00:06:51,120 come to a city hall or a golf course or 178 00:06:51,120 --> 00:06:54,319 somewhere where, you know, Yeah. which 179 00:06:54,319 --> 00:06:55,919 is and where do we collect it? I mean, 180 00:06:55,919 --> 00:06:58,240 yeah, if you do it, you know, if you do 181 00:06:58,240 --> 00:07:02,749 it at the one park, you 182 00:07:02,759 --> 00:07:04,639 know, you know, somebody doesn't have 183 00:07:04,639 --> 00:07:06,560 money, but he is a credit card. I mean, 184 00:07:06,560 --> 00:07:11,919 I you know, it's just it's you go to the golf course and pay, 185 00:07:11,919 --> 00:07:13,960 but if you're you know, if you're at 186 00:07:13,960 --> 00:07:16,840 Hillhurst, not 187 00:07:16,840 --> 00:07:19,759 quite Front Street, 188 00:07:19,759 --> 00:07:22,080 right, we just have somebody at the gate 189 00:07:22,080 --> 00:07:24,000 charging. Yeah. I mean, do we do 190 00:07:24,000 --> 00:07:26,160 seasonal a seasonal fee where they can 191 00:07:26,160 --> 00:07:27,919 come, you know, even to here, you know, 192 00:07:27,919 --> 00:07:30,080 ahead of the season to That's one thing 193 00:07:30,080 --> 00:07:31,840 you talked about when I spoke to Derek, 194 00:07:31,840 --> 00:07:33,919 we had talked about the kiosk, too. The 195 00:07:33,919 --> 00:07:35,280 kiosk came with a lot of different 196 00:07:35,280 --> 00:07:37,039 options, but we have to get it 197 00:07:37,039 --> 00:07:39,520 programmed. We have to have the option 198 00:07:39,520 --> 00:07:42,240 of trans fee transaction, how's the 199 00:07:42,240 --> 00:07:44,240 money going to be processed, maintenance 200 00:07:44,240 --> 00:07:45,840 cost, what happens if our machine breaks 201 00:07:45,840 --> 00:07:48,479 down, what do we do for the day now? So, 202 00:07:48,479 --> 00:07:49,759 it's just not the basic, you know, I've 203 00:07:49,759 --> 00:07:51,199 done some research on the basic cost of 204 00:07:51,199 --> 00:07:52,880 the machine, but then there's everything 205 00:07:52,880 --> 00:07:55,759 else added on top of that. Have you 206 00:07:55,759 --> 00:07:59,039 would you um want to, you know, several 207 00:07:59,039 --> 00:08:03,280 of the other pools locally do um charge 208 00:08:03,280 --> 00:08:05,120 um maybe we should be trying to have a 209 00:08:05,120 --> 00:08:06,479 conversation with some of those folks 210 00:08:06,479 --> 00:08:10,479 about how they I mean, MSU is only their 211 00:08:10,479 --> 00:08:11,840 resident state, but so they don't 212 00:08:11,840 --> 00:08:13,360 charge. They don't charge. I I had given 213 00:08:13,360 --> 00:08:15,759 all I gave all the materials to um the 214 00:08:15,759 --> 00:08:20,520 building. So I had looked at comm 215 00:08:20,520 --> 00:08:23,280 um Scotia 216 00:08:23,280 --> 00:08:27,360 and this unit only lets in res which 217 00:08:27,360 --> 00:08:29,120 again if we decide that that's what we 218 00:08:29,120 --> 00:08:31,520 wanted to do then 219 00:08:31,520 --> 00:08:32,880 same thing I mean we wouldn't be 220 00:08:32,880 --> 00:08:37,190 charging a fee. 221 00:08:37,200 --> 00:08:39,760 Yeah. But just to make clear, this is 222 00:08:39,760 --> 00:08:41,839 not there's not a form. So this is not a 223 00:08:41,839 --> 00:08:44,080 committee meeting, right? I know you 224 00:08:44,080 --> 00:08:45,360 want to look through it today. It's 225 00:08:45,360 --> 00:08:47,040 totally your call to do it, but you may 226 00:08:47,040 --> 00:08:49,519 have to do it again next time in case 227 00:08:49,519 --> 00:08:51,519 your other committee members want have 228 00:08:51,519 --> 00:08:55,269 questions or want. 229 00:08:55,279 --> 00:09:01,710 Yeah, I think maybe we should just 230 00:09:01,720 --> 00:09:04,560 reschedu in place charge for the golf 231 00:09:04,560 --> 00:09:06,959 course. We have it for the tennis. some 232 00:09:06,959 --> 00:09:10,440 people take advantage of don't pay. 233 00:09:10,440 --> 00:09:16,320 Uh the 26 budget is going to be a 234 00:09:16,320 --> 00:09:18,720 challenge to get the numbers to work and 235 00:09:18,720 --> 00:09:20,120 I can't 236 00:09:20,120 --> 00:09:22,800 have things just kind of out in the 237 00:09:22,800 --> 00:09:24,640 limbo. Got to have something in place 238 00:09:24,640 --> 00:09:28,240 that I can manage and be able to uh 239 00:09:28,240 --> 00:09:30,880 cover the appropriate cost. So, we have 240 00:09:30,880 --> 00:09:33,279 to make those decisions before, you 241 00:09:33,279 --> 00:09:35,839 know, so that we can um incorporate that 242 00:09:35,839 --> 00:09:40,240 into the 26 budget, right? I need during 243 00:09:40,240 --> 00:09:43,440 the 25 year to debug it to get it out, 244 00:09:43,440 --> 00:09:46,800 whatever it is. Yeah. Yeah. Yep. Yep. 245 00:09:46,800 --> 00:09:50,000 So, um I know the cost of the equipment 246 00:09:50,000 --> 00:09:51,680 that we've talked about in terms of the 247 00:09:51,680 --> 00:09:53,839 kiosk and that kind of thing. That's why 248 00:09:53,839 --> 00:09:56,000 I asked Derek to come because I I spoke 249 00:09:56,000 --> 00:09:57,360 with Gary. I started looking at some of 250 00:09:57,360 --> 00:09:58,800 the stuff where Derek brought us some 251 00:09:58,800 --> 00:10:00,399 good points that we needed to look at if 252 00:10:00,399 --> 00:10:04,389 we were going to go to a kiosk. 253 00:10:04,399 --> 00:10:07,839 Do you want to share those? Um like 254 00:10:07,839 --> 00:10:09,680 basically touch on that was the 255 00:10:09,680 --> 00:10:11,680 maintenance costs you know if it breaks 256 00:10:11,680 --> 00:10:14,560 down what's the uh turnaround 257 00:10:14,560 --> 00:10:16,800 someone come in and fix that. If it does 258 00:10:16,800 --> 00:10:19,360 break down what we close the pool we 259 00:10:19,360 --> 00:10:20,959 charge people we just let them in. 260 00:10:20,959 --> 00:10:24,320 There's a lot of variables at play. Uh 261 00:10:24,320 --> 00:10:25,760 then still, you know, we don't know if 262 00:10:25,760 --> 00:10:28,399 we have the boys and girls up there. We 263 00:10:28,399 --> 00:10:31,760 want them to mean that or be able to do 264 00:10:31,760 --> 00:10:33,680 something if the machine breaks down. 265 00:10:33,680 --> 00:10:36,959 But there's a lot of development to it. 266 00:10:36,959 --> 00:10:38,640 Negotiations with our bank, right? Is 267 00:10:38,640 --> 00:10:41,760 someone that's going to do for us? Well, 268 00:10:41,760 --> 00:10:43,760 we have to pick a mering service and 269 00:10:43,760 --> 00:10:46,399 find the best rate. Um so I mean that's 270 00:10:46,399 --> 00:10:50,000 pretty easy. confidence out there. 271 00:10:50,000 --> 00:10:52,320 This is summer we use nine weeks a year. 272 00:10:52,320 --> 00:10:54,160 That's right. We use it nine weeks a 273 00:10:54,160 --> 00:10:57,279 year. Yeah. Yeah. So then what do you do 274 00:10:57,279 --> 00:10:58,360 with the 275 00:10:58,360 --> 00:11:06,550 equipment here? 276 00:11:06,560 --> 00:11:08,399 It wouldn't be nine months, right? Nine 277 00:11:08,399 --> 00:11:09,839 weeks. Nine weeks. So I thought you said 278 00:11:09,839 --> 00:11:13,360 nine months. I was like 9 weeks. 279 00:11:13,360 --> 00:11:14,320 Yeah. 280 00:11:14,320 --> 00:11:15,600 day or night depending on the weather, 281 00:11:15,600 --> 00:11:17,040 depend on the calendar, depend on 282 00:11:17,040 --> 00:11:18,800 staffing. 283 00:11:18,800 --> 00:11:22,310 Yeah. 284 00:11:22,320 --> 00:11:25,600 So, how well again another day another 285 00:11:25,600 --> 00:11:27,040 day. That's I think we're going to have 286 00:11:27,040 --> 00:11:28,320 to reschedule, but those are the 287 00:11:28,320 --> 00:11:29,760 questions that we'll have to we'll have 288 00:11:29,760 --> 00:11:31,279 to be prepared to try to figure that 289 00:11:31,279 --> 00:11:33,200 out. We're going to have to reschedu 290 00:11:33,200 --> 00:11:34,880 time to be able to help you, you know, 291 00:11:34,880 --> 00:11:37,079 give you guys the 292 00:11:37,079 --> 00:11:39,920 biggest analysis. Well, it's to be able 293 00:11:39,920 --> 00:11:42,959 to implement it this year to order a 294 00:11:42,959 --> 00:11:47,279 kiosk to modify the intake doesn't 295 00:11:47,279 --> 00:11:50,640 happen overnight. I got to look at the, 296 00:11:50,640 --> 00:11:53,920 you know, the golf course is doing well. 297 00:11:53,920 --> 00:11:56,079 Got to look at the pools. Got to look at 298 00:11:56,079 --> 00:11:58,160 the tennis courts we're going to put 299 00:11:58,160 --> 00:12:01,829 money in. 300 00:12:01,839 --> 00:12:03,839 I think whatever software you go with 301 00:12:03,839 --> 00:12:06,839 should be used in the tennis 302 00:12:06,839 --> 00:12:10,000 courts and vice versa. You know, could 303 00:12:10,000 --> 00:12:14,560 be a kiosk that is versatile. If you, know, you want to play tennis, you 304 00:12:14,560 --> 00:12:16,000 go to the house, you just pull one of 305 00:12:16,000 --> 00:12:19,040 the parking meters up there and just 306 00:12:19,040 --> 00:12:21,920 putters in to put your social security 307 00:12:21,920 --> 00:12:23,760 number in and that should be license 308 00:12:23,760 --> 00:12:26,000 plate. And this year the work schedule 309 00:12:26,000 --> 00:12:27,360 for the tennis court, so there's not 310 00:12:27,360 --> 00:12:29,440 going to really be no Yeah, the tennis 311 00:12:29,440 --> 00:12:31,519 court. 312 00:12:31,519 --> 00:12:34,320 Yeah, but we're going to spend a huge 313 00:12:34,320 --> 00:12:37,760 amount of money on courts. Yeah, I got 314 00:12:37,760 --> 00:12:40,560 to have a design to be able to handle 315 00:12:40,560 --> 00:12:43,120 this. So, you want say that it's park 316 00:12:43,120 --> 00:12:44,720 launch, anybody go in there and play. 317 00:12:44,720 --> 00:12:46,639 They don't have to do anything and we 318 00:12:46,639 --> 00:12:49,760 look like fools. I need to know that, 319 00:12:49,760 --> 00:12:51,440 right? 320 00:12:51,440 --> 00:12:53,360 I mean, I've been wanting us to be 321 00:12:53,360 --> 00:12:55,200 charging for tennis, you know, 322 00:12:55,200 --> 00:12:57,120 participation for there are some things 323 00:12:57,120 --> 00:12:58,560 that we that we're looking at with the 324 00:12:58,560 --> 00:13:01,279 tennis uh they know from uh 15 level 325 00:13:01,279 --> 00:13:02,639 stuff. She hasn't got us back 326 00:13:02,639 --> 00:13:04,160 information, but there is a program now 327 00:13:04,160 --> 00:13:07,279 that they use to pay pass. So, it's 328 00:13:07,279 --> 00:13:08,720 something we're looking at so we get so 329 00:13:08,720 --> 00:13:09,920 when the construction happens, 330 00:13:09,920 --> 00:13:11,040 everything's put in place already. So, 331 00:13:11,040 --> 00:13:12,320 we don't have to go back take up again, 332 00:13:12,320 --> 00:13:14,399 put everything in place. It's got to be 333 00:13:14,399 --> 00:13:16,240 a software system that goes from like 334 00:13:16,240 --> 00:13:19,120 gate entry. Yeah. that's given to you 335 00:13:19,120 --> 00:13:21,920 from the the kiosk for the gate entry 336 00:13:21,920 --> 00:13:26,399 gates are online and then when you enter on the 337 00:13:26,399 --> 00:13:28,399 gate they report you in it's a I forgot 338 00:13:28,399 --> 00:13:30,240 what you call it the name of it but it's 339 00:13:30,240 --> 00:13:31,519 something that's big it's out in 340 00:13:31,519 --> 00:13:34,160 Oklahoma the system she's getting more 341 00:13:34,160 --> 00:13:36,399 information I tried to go on my credit 342 00:13:36,399 --> 00:13:37,920 card number and stuff like I'm not 343 00:13:37,920 --> 00:13:40,320 coming to Oklahoma but yeah Julie's 344 00:13:40,320 --> 00:13:42,639 gonna you mean Julie's getting I mean is 345 00:13:42,639 --> 00:13:44,480 going to be involved in this uh Amber's 346 00:13:44,480 --> 00:13:46,720 looking at right now to get us stuff 347 00:13:46,720 --> 00:13:48,959 into construction 348 00:13:48,959 --> 00:13:52,839 Mr. Send the security 349 00:13:52,839 --> 00:13:57,120 downstairs driver's license. 350 00:13:57,120 --> 00:14:00,480 Not anymore. Never really did. 351 00:14:00,480 --> 00:14:02,839 Never did. Your 352 00:14:02,839 --> 00:14:05,600 ID record. 353 00:14:05,600 --> 00:14:08,320 But is that equipment still there? 354 00:14:08,320 --> 00:14:10,600 It might 355 00:14:10,600 --> 00:14:13,279 be. Scan a driver's license. So if we 356 00:14:13,279 --> 00:14:17,839 use driver's license, school ID is the 357 00:14:17,839 --> 00:14:21,199 validation for entering. We might have 358 00:14:21,199 --> 00:14:26,350 the equipment software already in 359 00:14:26,360 --> 00:14:29,720 place. Most of that we did was input 360 00:14:29,720 --> 00:14:34,600 information and it wasn't I thought 361 00:14:34,600 --> 00:14:37,600 SC they're small because when I go to my 362 00:14:37,600 --> 00:14:39,279 doctor's appointment, they take my 363 00:14:39,279 --> 00:14:41,760 medical card and they Yeah. my ID, they 364 00:14:41,760 --> 00:14:43,199 scan it at the fact they give it back to 365 00:14:43,199 --> 00:14:45,199 me in, you know, 10 seconds. I mean, 366 00:14:45,199 --> 00:14:47,440 they just got a little machine. They 367 00:14:47,440 --> 00:14:51,680 scan my license cards. Does both sides. 368 00:14:51,680 --> 00:14:53,040 Well, I mean, isn't that something that 369 00:14:53,040 --> 00:14:56,160 Ban can help us figure out or somebody 370 00:14:56,160 --> 00:14:58,000 on his team? 371 00:14:58,000 --> 00:15:00,399 Is there a cheap intermission for the 372 00:15:00,399 --> 00:15:03,360 first year where like the uh vendors 373 00:15:03,360 --> 00:15:05,760 outside here that that uh you know do 374 00:15:05,760 --> 00:15:09,040 the the the market out there they have a 375 00:15:09,040 --> 00:15:11,600 small tablet like this that they're 376 00:15:11,600 --> 00:15:15,760 using Apple Pay and we accept a Venmo or 377 00:15:15,760 --> 00:15:19,839 Apple Pay just in you know 378 00:15:19,839 --> 00:15:22,480 and get away from the kiosk and just go 379 00:15:22,480 --> 00:15:26,079 with a small like we're sort and just 380 00:15:26,079 --> 00:15:28,800 bang And this is it. This is all we take 381 00:15:28,800 --> 00:15:32,079 Apple and Venmo and just pre-charge 382 00:15:32,079 --> 00:15:34,120 them. And 383 00:15:34,120 --> 00:15:36,000 that's just correct me if I'm wrong. 384 00:15:36,000 --> 00:15:38,720 Nine residents or residents are free. 385 00:15:38,720 --> 00:15:40,639 Correct. Or residents. I mean, we've 386 00:15:40,639 --> 00:15:42,079 been saying that residents would be 387 00:15:42,079 --> 00:15:43,360 great. I mean, we've been saying that 388 00:15:43,360 --> 00:15:46,480 from day one, we'd be collecting just 389 00:15:46,480 --> 00:15:49,839 from a a non-resident, right? 390 00:15:49,839 --> 00:15:52,240 Non-resident, whatever that rate, you 391 00:15:52,240 --> 00:15:54,320 set up this year to start as an 392 00:15:54,320 --> 00:15:56,560 evaluation. 393 00:15:56,560 --> 00:16:00,000 um a small program it be set on the desk 394 00:16:00,000 --> 00:16:02,560 and I don't know if it's you know 395 00:16:02,560 --> 00:16:06,000 seasonal do this or is it you know a 396 00:16:06,000 --> 00:16:10,560 point person from boys and girls club 397 00:16:10,560 --> 00:16:12,639 there may be you know but we wouldn't 398 00:16:12,639 --> 00:16:14,079 have to pay I mean obviously if it's a 399 00:16:14,079 --> 00:16:16,240 seasonal person we'll have to pay that 400 00:16:16,240 --> 00:16:18,120 well 401 00:16:18,120 --> 00:16:20,560 boys they're going to you probably want 402 00:16:20,560 --> 00:16:22,320 to know where you went for your contract 403 00:16:22,320 --> 00:16:24,480 negotiation with boys and girls so you 404 00:16:24,480 --> 00:16:26,079 know that was going to be something that 405 00:16:26,079 --> 00:16:27,839 we were we were going to bring that up 406 00:16:27,839 --> 00:16:30,160 is you know if there is if the city does 407 00:16:30,160 --> 00:16:32,399 set up some type of fee structure 408 00:16:32,399 --> 00:16:35,040 residents is this something that was no 409 00:16:35,040 --> 00:16:37,279 matter what we choose whether it's a you 410 00:16:37,279 --> 00:16:39,279 know card system or something you know 411 00:16:39,279 --> 00:16:41,680 are they interested in managing it for 412 00:16:41,680 --> 00:16:42,959 us if they say no they don't want the 413 00:16:42,959 --> 00:16:45,040 liability it's going to fall back on the 414 00:16:45,040 --> 00:16:48,000 city and our staff to do it okay your 415 00:16:48,000 --> 00:16:50,880 meeting is um after our city council 416 00:16:50,880 --> 00:16:53,120 it's after Monday no it is Monday oh it 417 00:16:53,120 --> 00:16:55,600 is Monday so maybe um would you be able 418 00:16:55,600 --> 00:16:57,519 to you know fill us in so that when we 419 00:16:57,519 --> 00:16:59,600 have this discussion I don't know what 420 00:16:59,600 --> 00:17:00,959 we'll have for them because we're just 421 00:17:00,959 --> 00:17:02,959 meeting for the first year you know I 422 00:17:02,959 --> 00:17:04,720 mean they're not going to give us 423 00:17:04,720 --> 00:17:07,240 anything back we usually typically go in 424 00:17:07,240 --> 00:17:10,240 discuss you know the best date for pool 425 00:17:10,240 --> 00:17:13,120 opening for closing the hours you know 426 00:17:13,120 --> 00:17:16,959 they then figure out lifeguards which 427 00:17:16,959 --> 00:17:18,880 you know they ran the new pool last year 428 00:17:18,880 --> 00:17:20,559 the two pools are fairly easy they know 429 00:17:20,559 --> 00:17:22,640 the staff they need for there they 430 00:17:22,640 --> 00:17:24,799 probably have a fairly level of 431 00:17:24,799 --> 00:17:26,000 confidence and what they need for the 432 00:17:26,000 --> 00:17:28,480 new pool. It's just, you know, what's 433 00:17:28,480 --> 00:17:31,200 their fee going to be for the new year? 434 00:17:31,200 --> 00:17:33,760 Are we going to keep the same hours? Um, 435 00:17:33,760 --> 00:17:35,919 you know, 436 00:17:35,919 --> 00:17:39,600 how do you You pay them 180,000 180,000 437 00:17:39,600 --> 00:17:44,110 last year. 438 00:17:44,120 --> 00:17:46,919 Um, what do you guys think 439 00:17:46,919 --> 00:17:49,360 about, you know, do we need to charge at 440 00:17:49,360 --> 00:17:51,039 the other the other pools if we're 441 00:17:51,039 --> 00:17:53,919 charging at this pool? I mean, this pool 442 00:17:53,919 --> 00:17:57,120 is kind of a Cadillac of pools. So, if I 443 00:17:57,120 --> 00:17:59,799 kind of am okay, but I don't know if 444 00:17:59,799 --> 00:18:02,720 that's allowable that we would just 445 00:18:02,720 --> 00:18:06,160 charge at one pool or do we have to 446 00:18:06,160 --> 00:18:10,789 discussion? 447 00:18:10,799 --> 00:18:12,720 What do you guys feel? I think it's 448 00:18:12,720 --> 00:18:15,160 going to be an ongoing cost. So, if you 449 00:18:15,160 --> 00:18:17,760 have it's going to triple your cost. 450 00:18:17,760 --> 00:18:20,840 We're having three three seats now. 451 00:18:20,840 --> 00:18:23,520 Yeah. ransom levels out with our cost on 452 00:18:23,520 --> 00:18:26,160 the seasonal while alter 7h hour day and 453 00:18:26,160 --> 00:18:28,799 then then the question becomes what do 454 00:18:28,799 --> 00:18:30,160 we do at the end of the night if that 455 00:18:30,160 --> 00:18:32,559 pool closes at 6:30 most of us permit 456 00:18:32,559 --> 00:18:34,240 staff respond at 3 in the afternoon so 457 00:18:34,240 --> 00:18:35,520 we're going to have to pay someone to 458 00:18:35,520 --> 00:18:36,880 pick that money up to pick the money 459 00:18:36,880 --> 00:18:39,039 back up the other thing is it's much 460 00:18:39,039 --> 00:18:40,440 simpler but it's more 461 00:18:40,440 --> 00:18:43,280 awkward city residents get in for free 462 00:18:43,280 --> 00:18:44,600 you got to have some 463 00:18:44,600 --> 00:18:47,440 ID anybody else has to pay and they have 464 00:18:47,440 --> 00:18:49,840 to go to some other location to get some 465 00:18:49,840 --> 00:18:52,559 type of card whether It's the golf 466 00:18:52,559 --> 00:18:55,880 course or city hall, they have to 467 00:18:55,880 --> 00:18:58,440 have 468 00:18:58,440 --> 00:19:01,679 a city generated pass that would allow 469 00:19:01,679 --> 00:19:05,440 them to go in. For that, they got to pay 470 00:19:05,440 --> 00:19:09,039 $5, $20, whatever it is. Is it one day 471 00:19:09,039 --> 00:19:11,600 for the seasons? 472 00:19:11,600 --> 00:19:14,080 I I really like that using the resources 473 00:19:14,080 --> 00:19:17,120 of city hall and having a pass. It's 474 00:19:17,120 --> 00:19:19,520 just a onetime fee. Maybe it's just one 475 00:19:19,520 --> 00:19:20,480 time because you don't have somebody 476 00:19:20,480 --> 00:19:22,240 coming back. Well, I want to swim today. 477 00:19:22,240 --> 00:19:24,320 I don't want to swim tomorrow. Next week 478 00:19:24,320 --> 00:19:27,520 can be 100. You just This is the pass. 479 00:19:27,520 --> 00:19:29,440 This is the cost. You get to use the 480 00:19:29,440 --> 00:19:32,480 pool for the season. It's open. It will 481 00:19:32,480 --> 00:19:34,640 turn people away at the pool. But I 482 00:19:34,640 --> 00:19:36,400 mean, if you tell them the process of 483 00:19:36,400 --> 00:19:39,200 what it is, it make that mean some 484 00:19:39,200 --> 00:19:41,520 people are just here visiting, you know, 485 00:19:41,520 --> 00:19:43,280 presenting relatives and they want this 486 00:19:43,280 --> 00:19:45,440 unit turns people away from city connect 487 00:19:45,440 --> 00:19:50,640 to the every day. Yeah. that they their rules are they only allow MSU 488 00:19:50,640 --> 00:19:52,760 residents to use their 489 00:19:52,760 --> 00:19:58,710 pools of city water. 490 00:19:58,720 --> 00:20:00,880 I mean again that is also a decision 491 00:20:00,880 --> 00:20:04,400 that we could make. 492 00:20:04,400 --> 00:20:08,400 I know I you know I mean it was on the 493 00:20:08,400 --> 00:20:11,120 draft rules that I you know had put out 494 00:20:11,120 --> 00:20:13,520 so that we'll have to bring back up when 495 00:20:13,520 --> 00:20:15,760 we have the rest of the committee. I 496 00:20:15,760 --> 00:20:17,360 mean it be a lot easier if we did some 497 00:20:17,360 --> 00:20:19,200 kind of pass out city hall ready to 498 00:20:19,200 --> 00:20:20,880 handle credit cards and we don't have to 499 00:20:20,880 --> 00:20:23,360 talk about all this would be 500 00:20:23,360 --> 00:20:25,919 right to do it out here for credit card 501 00:20:25,919 --> 00:20:30,270 transaction too. Yeah. 502 00:20:30,280 --> 00:20:33,440 Is it's always easy for me to say I have 503 00:20:33,440 --> 00:20:35,400 to talk to staff who actually do the 504 00:20:35,400 --> 00:20:49,430 work sometimes have a different opinion. 505 00:20:49,440 --> 00:20:50,799 I'd probably say it's already 506 00:20:50,799 --> 00:20:52,000 established you have a clerk's office 507 00:20:52,000 --> 00:20:54,799 that takes money and receipts. So, let's 508 00:20:54,799 --> 00:20:56,480 do location is probably the best, but I 509 00:20:56,480 --> 00:20:58,559 think we still need analysis of how many 510 00:20:58,559 --> 00:21:00,720 people residents are going to be come to 511 00:21:00,720 --> 00:21:03,280 the pools because it's not that many 512 00:21:03,280 --> 00:21:06,720 have so many upfront costs. the cars, 513 00:21:06,720 --> 00:21:08,480 the machines, but the best people's 514 00:21:08,480 --> 00:21:10,320 mind. Well, we won't have I mean, it's 515 00:21:10,320 --> 00:21:12,080 sort of a chicken and egg kind of thing 516 00:21:12,080 --> 00:21:15,280 because we we don't have that data. 517 00:21:15,280 --> 00:21:16,640 We're going to collect that data. Well, 518 00:21:16,640 --> 00:21:17,919 we're hoping to collect that data 519 00:21:17,919 --> 00:21:20,240 starting with this season. Poles like a 520 00:21:20,240 --> 00:21:22,000 golf course. It's weather dependent. And 521 00:21:22,000 --> 00:21:23,760 but we're we're in a nineweek season, 522 00:21:23,760 --> 00:21:26,240 not a you know, April to November. I 523 00:21:26,240 --> 00:21:28,880 mean, we're you know, you get a rainy 524 00:21:28,880 --> 00:21:30,799 you know Oh, yeah. Yeah, June and July 525 00:21:30,799 --> 00:21:35,200 your you season's shot and you don't get 526 00:21:35,200 --> 00:21:36,720 good warm weather. People don't really 527 00:21:36,720 --> 00:21:38,400 interest in swimming. So, we have a very 528 00:21:38,400 --> 00:21:39,240 short 529 00:21:39,240 --> 00:21:41,919 season and you know Bill, what are the 530 00:21:41,919 --> 00:21:46,640 comps for a season pass and the other 531 00:21:46,640 --> 00:21:48,559 they they really a lot of them just non 532 00:21:48,559 --> 00:21:50,720 they say non-residents and that's it. 533 00:21:50,720 --> 00:21:52,039 Like the mayor was 534 00:21:52,039 --> 00:21:55,919 saying you can't get in. I think has I 535 00:21:55,919 --> 00:21:57,600 think Gild 536 00:21:57,600 --> 00:21:59,840 I thought I seen them in that package. 537 00:21:59,840 --> 00:22:02,720 Yes. Yeah. Um Gild does season pass 538 00:22:02,720 --> 00:22:05,520 season passes for Gildan residents only. 539 00:22:05,520 --> 00:22:08,480 A family pass is $125 includes members 540 00:22:08,480 --> 00:22:11,480 of a household and individual pass is 541 00:22:11,480 --> 00:22:15,520 $75. Then they do adult lap swim. So 542 00:22:15,520 --> 00:22:18,320 they have charges for that. Um they do a 543 00:22:18,320 --> 00:22:21,039 public open swim. The fees they do 544 00:22:21,039 --> 00:22:23,840 charge $5 for adults and $3 for children 545 00:22:23,840 --> 00:22:26,400 six to 14 and seniors over 60 and 546 00:22:26,400 --> 00:22:30,440 children five and under are free. Um 547 00:22:30,440 --> 00:22:33,039 resum all residents only. It's residents 548 00:22:33,039 --> 00:22:37,000 only. What meeting again when we talk 549 00:22:37,000 --> 00:22:41,960 about we close at 6:00 now to get nice 550 00:22:41,960 --> 00:22:44,799 evenings maybe keep the pool open into 551 00:22:44,799 --> 00:22:47,200 the evening. uh the chief of five8 when 552 00:22:47,200 --> 00:22:50,039 518 comes up that might 553 00:22:50,039 --> 00:22:52,640 be something where we charge for that. 554 00:22:52,640 --> 00:22:54,799 You got to pay and we have to staff it 555 00:22:54,799 --> 00:22:57,840 to the open dump again even where 556 00:22:57,840 --> 00:23:01,720 residents would pay something to go in 557 00:23:01,720 --> 00:23:05,039 for you know limited time they have I 558 00:23:05,039 --> 00:23:07,520 think they lessons in the morning to 559 00:23:07,520 --> 00:23:12,400 open. Yes. Morning lap swim in the 560 00:23:12,400 --> 00:23:14,880 morning which it gets used frequently. 561 00:23:14,880 --> 00:23:17,840 Well, pool was designed for that uh 562 00:23:17,840 --> 00:23:20,320 resistance, count flow, resistance flow. 563 00:23:20,320 --> 00:23:22,360 So, people who 564 00:23:22,360 --> 00:23:25,919 are had knee surgery, hip replacement or 565 00:23:25,919 --> 00:23:28,080 whatever, going through therapy, all 566 00:23:28,080 --> 00:23:30,799 they're doing is really walking the 567 00:23:30,799 --> 00:23:32,120 loop, but 568 00:23:32,120 --> 00:23:35,760 the water creates resistance. So, it's I 569 00:23:35,760 --> 00:23:37,440 think most of the time the people who 570 00:23:37,440 --> 00:23:39,520 use that, they went early in the morning 571 00:23:39,520 --> 00:23:41,760 because they avoided the all the kids. 572 00:23:41,760 --> 00:23:43,440 Yep. And you know there might be 573 00:23:43,440 --> 00:23:44,480 something where if you did something 574 00:23:44,480 --> 00:23:47,760 after hours it's more an adult right to 575 00:23:47,760 --> 00:23:51,760 the same you pay you pay five bucks 10 576 00:23:51,760 --> 00:23:54,720 bucks for that. I mean, I think it be 577 00:23:54,720 --> 00:23:56,480 limited lifeguarding because you're not 578 00:23:56,480 --> 00:23:58,559 looking at the whole pool. You're more 579 00:23:58,559 --> 00:24:00,400 adults there that, you know, if the boys 580 00:24:00,400 --> 00:24:02,559 and girls clubs, whatever nights were 581 00:24:02,559 --> 00:24:05,919 going to be extended hours for an adult 582 00:24:05,919 --> 00:24:07,760 therapy swim, I don't know, you know, 583 00:24:07,760 --> 00:24:09,280 where people go in and did the 584 00:24:09,280 --> 00:24:11,679 resistance and did the lab pool and they 585 00:24:11,679 --> 00:24:15,039 weren't, you know, weren't 300. 586 00:24:15,039 --> 00:24:16,320 I think we're going to have to get 587 00:24:16,320 --> 00:24:19,240 recommendation from you guys on this. 588 00:24:19,240 --> 00:24:21,679 Um, I mean, I don't think that we can 589 00:24:21,679 --> 00:24:23,440 just 590 00:24:23,440 --> 00:24:26,000 But city council recommendation I got 591 00:24:26,000 --> 00:24:28,000 gave recommendations on the fee 592 00:24:28,000 --> 00:24:30,640 structure for the 593 00:24:30,640 --> 00:24:33,520 uh VA soil reservoir. We gave 594 00:24:33,520 --> 00:24:36,080 recommendations on garbage collection. 595 00:24:36,080 --> 00:24:37,480 I'm done giving 596 00:24:37,480 --> 00:24:39,600 recommendations recommendations on 597 00:24:39,600 --> 00:24:43,799 contracts that we've gone through. 598 00:24:43,799 --> 00:24:46,240 So want you to get your colleagues just 599 00:24:46,240 --> 00:24:47,320 to make a 600 00:24:47,320 --> 00:24:50,760 decision. We'll work from 601 00:24:50,760 --> 00:24:56,470 there. I prefer anything past 70. 602 00:24:56,480 --> 00:24:58,400 I'd like to see the data that Boys and 603 00:24:58,400 --> 00:25:00,880 Girls Club had that said how many people 604 00:25:00,880 --> 00:25:02,880 were turned away from the pool last year 605 00:25:02,880 --> 00:25:05,360 because of overflow. Well, they have 606 00:25:05,360 --> 00:25:07,039 that data from last year. I didn't ask 607 00:25:07,039 --> 00:25:08,480 about that. They had data, but it's all 608 00:25:08,480 --> 00:25:10,480 on paper and it's all by zip code. When 609 00:25:10,480 --> 00:25:13,240 I looked at it with 610 00:25:13,240 --> 00:25:17,310 12309 to giant zip 611 00:25:17,320 --> 00:25:19,919 code, right? Right. But I mean in the 612 00:25:19,919 --> 00:25:24,679 future if the need is to set the fees to 613 00:25:24,679 --> 00:25:28,799 discourage non-residents from coming or 614 00:25:28,799 --> 00:25:31,600 do it at a price because we don't have 615 00:25:31,600 --> 00:25:34,240 enough room for the residents. That's a 616 00:25:34,240 --> 00:25:35,440 good point. I'm going to call I'll give 617 00:25:35,440 --> 00:25:37,440 her a call and ask her what the how many 618 00:25:37,440 --> 00:25:38,880 days did you have to shut the pool off 619 00:25:38,880 --> 00:25:40,400 because you reached capacity and do you 620 00:25:40,400 --> 00:25:41,679 have an estimate of all the time you 621 00:25:41,679 --> 00:25:44,400 shut off capacity? Was it midday? Was it 622 00:25:44,400 --> 00:25:46,799 late in the day? Was it towards evening? 623 00:25:46,799 --> 00:25:49,320 Okay, that'd be great. 624 00:25:49,320 --> 00:25:52,240 Call again. put that down. If if we made 625 00:25:52,240 --> 00:25:53,919 a decision that it was just going to be 626 00:25:53,919 --> 00:25:57,200 residents only, right? Then then it's 627 00:25:57,200 --> 00:25:58,559 residents only, then it's residents 628 00:25:58,559 --> 00:26:00,080 only. And if we make the decision that 629 00:26:00,080 --> 00:26:04,390 res, 630 00:26:04,400 --> 00:26:07,360 right? You know, right? And I mean, we 631 00:26:07,360 --> 00:26:08,960 definitely had those issues last year, 632 00:26:08,960 --> 00:26:11,520 but I I feel that it's anecdotal. So, I 633 00:26:11,520 --> 00:26:13,919 think you you know, talking to Julie and 634 00:26:13,919 --> 00:26:15,760 getting I'll see what you see what they 635 00:26:15,760 --> 00:26:17,120 have, you know, I'm not sure if they 636 00:26:17,120 --> 00:26:18,799 have that kind of data. I know they had 637 00:26:18,799 --> 00:26:20,880 the the zip code one cuz I looked at all 638 00:26:20,880 --> 00:26:22,480 of it. She had stacks of it. She could 639 00:26:22,480 --> 00:26:25,159 tell. But when I started looking, I go, 640 00:26:25,159 --> 00:26:30,710 "Yeah, they had zip code 126." 641 00:26:30,720 --> 00:26:33,279 Yeah. Yeah. But I think that would be a 642 00:26:33,279 --> 00:26:34,559 good one. How many times will the pool 643 00:26:34,559 --> 00:26:35,840 shut off? Because that would be a key. 644 00:26:35,840 --> 00:26:37,039 How many times did they reach the 645 00:26:37,039 --> 00:26:39,440 maximum limit and shut off midday and 646 00:26:39,440 --> 00:26:40,720 there's a rotation? I mean, how many 647 00:26:40,720 --> 00:26:41,600 people are going to stand? If you're 648 00:26:41,600 --> 00:26:42,720 telling me it's 90 degrees, I got to 649 00:26:42,720 --> 00:26:44,000 stand in line. I got to wait 12 hours to 650 00:26:44,000 --> 00:26:45,520 get in the pool. I'm leaving. I can 651 00:26:45,520 --> 00:26:47,600 stand there. Last year there was also a 652 00:26:47,600 --> 00:26:50,720 novelty factor. So people want to go for 653 00:26:50,720 --> 00:26:51,720 the first 654 00:26:51,720 --> 00:26:53,880 time. We had 655 00:26:53,880 --> 00:26:58,400 some fairly high temperature days too. 656 00:26:58,400 --> 00:26:59,840 Yeah. right when you first opened 657 00:26:59,840 --> 00:27:01,279 especially I think it was over 100 658 00:27:01,279 --> 00:27:03,760 degrees the week that 659 00:27:03,760 --> 00:27:05,600 those were the days where we you know we 660 00:27:05,600 --> 00:27:08,400 struggled with um you know being allow 661 00:27:08,400 --> 00:27:10,240 some people in because we were set 662 00:27:10,240 --> 00:27:14,110 capacity 663 00:27:14,120 --> 00:27:16,240 for those when we looked at the other 664 00:27:16,240 --> 00:27:17,840 communities they didn't say well grandma 665 00:27:17,840 --> 00:27:19,200 showed up and she wanted to date us cuz 666 00:27:19,200 --> 00:27:21,120 she had the kids that were from the city 667 00:27:21,120 --> 00:27:22,960 here see so because I thought that 668 00:27:22,960 --> 00:27:24,480 argument said well what if grandma here 669 00:27:24,480 --> 00:27:26,320 if you if you say no non-resident if 670 00:27:26,320 --> 00:27:27,600 grandma's grandchildren come up from New 671 00:27:27,600 --> 00:27:31,200 York City they can't one. 672 00:27:31,200 --> 00:27:33,360 I don't know what this I mean that we've 673 00:27:33,360 --> 00:27:37,039 gone over we've gone around and around on that one and I don't see 674 00:27:37,039 --> 00:27:38,559 anything that involves anything that 675 00:27:38,559 --> 00:27:39,919 says oh by the way if they come up you 676 00:27:39,919 --> 00:27:41,360 will be allow and swim. It's just you're 677 00:27:41,360 --> 00:27:45,520 not a resident you're not allowed. It's this idea of do you allow what they 678 00:27:45,520 --> 00:27:47,200 all and this is only two of them 679 00:27:47,200 --> 00:27:49,360 actually but um so I think there's 680 00:27:49,360 --> 00:27:51,360 others but we I can I have them on my 681 00:27:51,360 --> 00:27:53,760 computer at home too. Um because I think 682 00:27:53,760 --> 00:27:56,159 what a lot of a lot of them say is it's 683 00:27:56,159 --> 00:27:58,480 open to residents but residents can have 684 00:27:58,480 --> 00:28:03,120 up to three guests. Um so then um we 685 00:28:03,120 --> 00:28:04,320 started on that number. We'll have a 686 00:28:04,320 --> 00:28:06,559 heart connected residents with 300 687 00:28:06,559 --> 00:28:07,919 guests in the pool and it has 688 00:28:07,919 --> 00:28:10,080 non-resident guest like Gilderland is 689 00:28:10,080 --> 00:28:13,840 charging non-resident guests of resin a 690 00:28:13,840 --> 00:28:16,720 fee. How do you I know who determines 691 00:28:16,720 --> 00:28:19,520 how do you know and you bring somebody 692 00:28:19,520 --> 00:28:20,799 you know just my grandchild. Well, 693 00:28:20,799 --> 00:28:22,240 that's why I think also we have to talk 694 00:28:22,240 --> 00:28:24,200 to the books that run these schools as 695 00:28:24,200 --> 00:28:27,200 well. You know, how do they how do they 696 00:28:27,200 --> 00:28:29,440 do it? Sometimes there's rules, but what 697 00:28:29,440 --> 00:28:32,960 really happens is not always the wits. 698 00:28:32,960 --> 00:28:35,840 Mhm. And I think the city school 699 00:28:35,840 --> 00:28:41,909 district has some universal 700 00:28:41,919 --> 00:28:43,520 he was at the thing. I wanted to talk to 701 00:28:43,520 --> 00:28:45,840 him but he was a bit too busy because I 702 00:28:45,840 --> 00:28:47,279 think that's a system that if we could 703 00:28:47,279 --> 00:28:48,960 get access to that platform so we could 704 00:28:48,960 --> 00:28:50,960 punch Paul Leond in says all Paul Leaf 705 00:28:50,960 --> 00:28:52,720 goes to Woodline and all it does is put 706 00:28:52,720 --> 00:28:54,240 his picture up the body you can go in 707 00:28:54,240 --> 00:28:55,679 that's all we need to see that way the 708 00:28:55,679 --> 00:28:57,679 handlebars connect to the kids I think 709 00:28:57,679 --> 00:29:00,640 they have physical ID too kids have to 710 00:29:00,640 --> 00:29:03,039 bring the ID they do I mean that's you 711 00:29:03,039 --> 00:29:05,120 know Demani has has said that I haven't 712 00:29:05,120 --> 00:29:09,039 seen elementary yet oh I don't know that 713 00:29:09,039 --> 00:29:10,480 the high school that's what I've always 714 00:29:10,480 --> 00:29:13,360 thought it's junior All right. Well, not 715 00:29:13,360 --> 00:29:18,279 bad. It's like 6 right now or 716 00:29:18,279 --> 00:29:19,960 go. 717 00:29:19,960 --> 00:29:23,120 Yes. It was It was even like that, but 718 00:29:23,120 --> 00:29:25,279 now it's 719 00:29:25,279 --> 00:29:29,840 You know what? I'll call Dr. Cotto and 720 00:29:29,840 --> 00:29:32,679 I'm sure he'll probably refer me to 721 00:29:32,679 --> 00:29:35,120 um what's his name? The athletic 722 00:29:35,120 --> 00:29:37,520 director. Well, Jason Wall. Jason. 723 00:29:37,520 --> 00:29:39,760 Right. I mean, 724 00:29:39,760 --> 00:29:41,679 but I'll I'll take responsibility. we've 725 00:29:41,679 --> 00:29:44,080 been waiting for uh someone else to do 726 00:29:44,080 --> 00:29:47,440 it. So, um 727 00:29:47,440 --> 00:29:48,559 I mean I don't see a problem with the 728 00:29:48,559 --> 00:29:50,000 elementary kids. I think that's an easy 729 00:29:50,000 --> 00:29:51,520 that's a doable one. As we get into the 730 00:29:51,520 --> 00:29:54,559 older kids, that becomes a problem in 731 00:29:54,559 --> 00:29:56,320 terms of 732 00:29:56,320 --> 00:29:57,919 when you start to get to the 15 16 year 733 00:29:57,919 --> 00:30:00,000 olds. Well, I forgot my ID. I didn't 734 00:30:00,000 --> 00:30:02,240 have my ID. One of the things that we 735 00:30:02,240 --> 00:30:03,919 had didn't, you know, anyone over 10 736 00:30:03,919 --> 00:30:05,679 years old must have their Stanty City 737 00:30:05,679 --> 00:30:07,679 School District photo ID or an ID. uh 738 00:30:07,679 --> 00:30:10,080 you know and you know anybody from 5 to 739 00:30:10,080 --> 00:30:11,440 10 they have to have a talented with 740 00:30:11,440 --> 00:30:14,000 them because you know I mean and I 741 00:30:14,000 --> 00:30:16,240 thought we we had discussed it at you 742 00:30:16,240 --> 00:30:18,799 know 10 years old I thought they they 743 00:30:18,799 --> 00:30:21,039 had you know IDs are 11 you know what I 744 00:30:21,039 --> 00:30:24,880 mean so 11 years older they got their 745 00:30:24,880 --> 00:30:27,520 school ID like the mayor mentioned and 746 00:30:27,520 --> 00:30:30,080 you know you have school ID you get in 747 00:30:30,080 --> 00:30:31,559 enjoy yourself for the 748 00:30:31,559 --> 00:30:34,000 day anybody younger has to have their 749 00:30:34,000 --> 00:30:36,000 adult you know with them and they have 750 00:30:36,000 --> 00:30:38,720 to be you on the full deck with them 751 00:30:38,720 --> 00:30:40,480 because that was some of the rules. Yes. 752 00:30:40,480 --> 00:30:44,559 So, I think um this did go um via SAM to 753 00:30:44,559 --> 00:30:48,399 city council. Um Yep. Thanks. Thank you 754 00:30:48,399 --> 00:30:51,200 for sending it to Sam. So, um I'm going 755 00:30:51,200 --> 00:30:53,600 to follow up and basically, you know, 756 00:30:53,600 --> 00:30:55,200 I'll put in a legislative request to 757 00:30:55,200 --> 00:30:58,399 have this uh on the agenda for Monday. 758 00:30:58,399 --> 00:31:01,600 at least the rules accepted and and I'm 759 00:31:01,600 --> 00:31:02,640 going to tell them we have to be 760 00:31:02,640 --> 00:31:04,799 prepared to you know make a decision 761 00:31:04,799 --> 00:31:07,279 about these rules that you guys are 762 00:31:07,279 --> 00:31:09,679 recommending here. Okay. I'm sorry. What 763 00:31:09,679 --> 00:31:14,190 rules are you talking about? 764 00:31:14,200 --> 00:31:16,720 These so the rules don't need a 765 00:31:16,720 --> 00:31:19,440 resolution. The rules are um Oh, you 766 00:31:19,440 --> 00:31:21,730 guys just decide we don't have 767 00:31:21,730 --> 00:31:23,720 [Music] 768 00:31:23,720 --> 00:31:26,960 to the fee structure until the council 769 00:31:26,960 --> 00:31:31,520 is the deal. Okay. Maybe um what the 770 00:31:31,520 --> 00:31:33,039 council could change that if you want to 771 00:31:33,039 --> 00:31:35,440 take the power away from it. No, you can 772 00:31:35,440 --> 00:31:36,880 do that. Yeah, you're not going to do 773 00:31:36,880 --> 00:31:38,559 that. 774 00:31:38,559 --> 00:31:42,240 Yeah. So, um I guess what I could do is 775 00:31:42,240 --> 00:31:45,279 just um write something up that would be 776 00:31:45,279 --> 00:31:48,799 sort of a recommendation about fees 777 00:31:48,799 --> 00:31:51,519 um that I would run by you guys first. 778 00:31:51,519 --> 00:31:53,360 Um and I would send that out to city 779 00:31:53,360 --> 00:31:56,480 council before Monday and say we have to 780 00:31:56,480 --> 00:31:58,799 make a decision about this on Monday. 781 00:31:58,799 --> 00:32:02,679 Does that sound reasonable? Sure. 782 00:32:02,679 --> 00:32:06,799 Okay. And so we don't have to Yeah, that 783 00:32:06,799 --> 00:32:08,880 we don't have to assess it. You 784 00:32:08,880 --> 00:32:11,200 mentioned that before you did it. I'm 785 00:32:11,200 --> 00:32:16,149 sorry. 786 00:32:16,159 --> 00:32:18,990 Yeah. Can we make 787 00:32:19,000 --> 00:32:22,559 them checks all pay too? I mean I like 788 00:32:22,559 --> 00:32:25,760 the idea of a season a season pass 789 00:32:25,760 --> 00:32:29,559 because then it is they come here to 790 00:32:29,559 --> 00:32:32,240 someone and they get charged for the 791 00:32:32,240 --> 00:32:34,080 season and then they have that season 792 00:32:34,080 --> 00:32:36,320 pass and that's how they get into. So it 793 00:32:36,320 --> 00:32:38,159 really eliminates I eliminates the 794 00:32:38,159 --> 00:32:40,000 bottleneck at the pool because when you 795 00:32:40,000 --> 00:32:41,120 come to the pool you're going to say are 796 00:32:41,120 --> 00:32:42,640 you a resident or you're a non-resident 797 00:32:42,640 --> 00:32:43,760 you got to go over here and do this. 798 00:32:43,760 --> 00:32:44,880 We're going to have a big bottleneck 799 00:32:44,880 --> 00:32:46,000 there if we don't have something that's 800 00:32:46,000 --> 00:32:47,519 like you have to come see I'll get your 801 00:32:47,519 --> 00:32:49,159 pass and get your 802 00:32:49,159 --> 00:32:51,600 passport of responsibility off of a 803 00:32:51,600 --> 00:32:53,600 teenager from the Boys and Girls Club 804 00:32:53,600 --> 00:32:55,519 having to enforce that. I mean it's like 805 00:32:55,519 --> 00:32:58,360 sort of cut and drive, right? You kind 806 00:32:58,360 --> 00:33:01,039 of we have to be responsible for that 807 00:33:01,039 --> 00:33:03,840 has to be I'm sorry. Can you not even 808 00:33:03,840 --> 00:33:05,760 know if boys and girls say they didn't 809 00:33:05,760 --> 00:33:08,919 what they did to do 810 00:33:08,919 --> 00:33:11,360 that and we have to pay for staffing. Is 811 00:33:11,360 --> 00:33:14,240 it a photo ID? 812 00:33:14,240 --> 00:33:19,470 We can squeeze me, but the idea that 813 00:33:19,480 --> 00:33:22,480 we would be right through the fence. 814 00:33:22,480 --> 00:33:25,440 Yeah, actually toss the castle to the 815 00:33:25,440 --> 00:33:27,279 other. No, we talked about that with 816 00:33:27,279 --> 00:33:30,159 Julie. We talked about that there. We 817 00:33:30,159 --> 00:33:31,600 have to come up with a banding system, 818 00:33:31,600 --> 00:33:32,799 she said, because one of the problems 819 00:33:32,799 --> 00:33:35,039 that she she anticipates that they've 820 00:33:35,039 --> 00:33:37,200 seen is people get in, our bathroom 821 00:33:37,200 --> 00:33:38,640 doors will open from the inside and out 822 00:33:38,640 --> 00:33:40,480 because it's open for tennis. So once 823 00:33:40,480 --> 00:33:41,840 you're inside that pool, you can walk 824 00:33:41,840 --> 00:33:43,120 into the bathroom. You can let other 825 00:33:43,120 --> 00:33:44,960 people you can walk in. You can walk in, 826 00:33:44,960 --> 00:33:46,799 you can go right in. So it has to be 827 00:33:46,799 --> 00:33:48,240 something that can identify you because 828 00:33:48,240 --> 00:33:49,519 you've been passed through the pool that 829 00:33:49,519 --> 00:33:51,519 we know who you are, why you got in. But 830 00:33:51,519 --> 00:33:53,640 so that means I I 831 00:33:53,640 --> 00:33:56,480 guess is this right that we would have a 832 00:33:56,480 --> 00:33:58,399 season pass that perhaps they would get 833 00:33:58,399 --> 00:34:00,960 here, some sort of photo ID. I'm making 834 00:34:00,960 --> 00:34:02,720 this up as I go along, but then when 835 00:34:02,720 --> 00:34:05,360 they get to the pool on Tuesday, they 836 00:34:05,360 --> 00:34:07,760 have to get a band or you sign in when 837 00:34:07,760 --> 00:34:08,879 you come to the pool and take your 838 00:34:08,879 --> 00:34:10,159 season pass. that goes in the box and 839 00:34:10,159 --> 00:34:11,359 when you leave you get your season pass 840 00:34:11,359 --> 00:34:12,879 that will stop the passing of the passer 841 00:34:12,879 --> 00:34:16,399 now. Okay. We have to come up with some type of thing. You get a band, you 842 00:34:16,399 --> 00:34:18,079 go in, you leave your pass here and when 843 00:34:18,079 --> 00:34:19,440 you leave you come to the desk and they 844 00:34:19,440 --> 00:34:20,879 check you out and you get your your 845 00:34:20,879 --> 00:34:23,520 band, 846 00:34:23,520 --> 00:34:24,960 but we banned you when you come in. That 847 00:34:24,960 --> 00:34:26,639 way we know because she said that's a 848 00:34:26,639 --> 00:34:28,879 problem. Bands aren't expensive. They 849 00:34:28,879 --> 00:34:31,280 get the ones you get when they get the 850 00:34:31,280 --> 00:34:33,760 carnival when you you take the kids for 851 00:34:33,760 --> 00:34:35,520 the rides and get the all day pass. So 852 00:34:35,520 --> 00:34:39,320 step one is season 853 00:34:39,320 --> 00:34:45,190 pass that you get here. 854 00:34:45,200 --> 00:34:48,399 Step two, you show up. You show your 855 00:34:48,399 --> 00:34:50,159 pass 856 00:34:50,159 --> 00:34:52,480 and you check in and you get panned and 857 00:34:52,480 --> 00:34:53,919 you pass the solid until you come back 858 00:34:53,919 --> 00:34:56,000 out. The other place that's set up to 859 00:34:56,000 --> 00:34:58,320 take payment is the golf course. It's a 860 00:34:58,320 --> 00:35:02,720 lot closer to the park. 861 00:35:02,720 --> 00:35:04,880 If it can be done, maybe it doesn't have 862 00:35:04,880 --> 00:35:08,000 to be photo IDed if it could be scantron 863 00:35:08,000 --> 00:35:09,839 and then we could show if we have a 864 00:35:09,839 --> 00:35:12,960 system that showed that the scan only 865 00:35:12,960 --> 00:35:16,920 once a day scan that scan right past the 866 00:35:16,920 --> 00:35:20,640 past school ID we can find I'll find out 867 00:35:20,640 --> 00:35:24,000 if the school ID is photo ID 868 00:35:24,000 --> 00:35:25,920 but if you know if you're a resident 869 00:35:25,920 --> 00:35:27,520 we're just tracking and coming in 870 00:35:27,520 --> 00:35:29,960 because there's no fee for 871 00:35:29,960 --> 00:35:32,880 residents laying city residents come in 872 00:35:32,880 --> 00:35:34,640 for free. So, we're not charging it. No, 873 00:35:34,640 --> 00:35:35,839 we just want you to identify when you 874 00:35:35,839 --> 00:35:37,839 come in as a city resident. So, it's 875 00:35:37,839 --> 00:35:41,119 then you'll have the data so that again 876 00:35:41,119 --> 00:35:43,400 when we try to 877 00:35:43,400 --> 00:35:46,480 reconvene later after the season, we 878 00:35:46,480 --> 00:35:48,640 make some decisions based on data about 879 00:35:48,640 --> 00:35:50,640 how many residents versus non-residents 880 00:35:50,640 --> 00:35:52,240 used our pool. Well, we do an exit 881 00:35:52,240 --> 00:35:53,520 survey of what happened for the course 882 00:35:53,520 --> 00:35:56,320 of the year and and look at right what 883 00:35:56,320 --> 00:35:59,040 we had using our pool. But again, if 884 00:35:59,040 --> 00:36:01,200 you're going to let non residents in, 885 00:36:01,200 --> 00:36:03,119 right? But again, that decision still 886 00:36:03,119 --> 00:36:05,920 has to be made. So that no not residents 887 00:36:05,920 --> 00:36:07,480 aren't going to come 888 00:36:07,480 --> 00:36:09,599 in and is there, you know, and there's 889 00:36:09,599 --> 00:36:11,680 no fee structure for residents. Well, 890 00:36:11,680 --> 00:36:14,160 okay. That would be a whole rule. So 891 00:36:14,160 --> 00:36:16,000 that would not be city council. That 892 00:36:16,000 --> 00:36:19,440 would be staff making that decision, 893 00:36:19,440 --> 00:36:21,920 right? Is that what I'm hearing? Yeah. 894 00:36:21,920 --> 00:36:23,680 Unless you want to make it a local law 895 00:36:23,680 --> 00:36:26,000 and it can be sold at city council. I 896 00:36:26,000 --> 00:36:26,839 think 897 00:36:26,839 --> 00:36:29,599 that again I can't I can't speak for my 898 00:36:29,599 --> 00:36:30,720 colleagues because we don't have a 899 00:36:30,720 --> 00:36:32,960 quorum but um to me that seems like 900 00:36:32,960 --> 00:36:35,599 that's a full rule. 901 00:36:35,599 --> 00:36:38,040 Yes. Thank 902 00:36:38,040 --> 00:36:41,560 you. So you guys can tell us um on 903 00:36:41,560 --> 00:36:45,280 Monday about that. 904 00:36:45,280 --> 00:36:47,280 This has been outlined by staff before 905 00:36:47,280 --> 00:36:49,240 for 906 00:36:49,240 --> 00:36:53,119 I Yeah. I mean me too. I mean, I was the 907 00:36:53,119 --> 00:36:55,359 first person to put the draft out there. 908 00:36:55,359 --> 00:36:57,839 So, we've had 909 00:36:57,839 --> 00:36:59,119 I went to the old pool. I seen I 910 00:36:59,119 --> 00:37:00,400 happened to be up at music table today 911 00:37:00,400 --> 00:37:01,440 because they were doing something and I 912 00:37:01,440 --> 00:37:03,040 looked over and there's rules on the old 913 00:37:03,040 --> 00:37:04,160 pool. So, I went down and show pictures 914 00:37:04,160 --> 00:37:06,960 of it. Oh, yeah. They're a little bit 915 00:37:06,960 --> 00:37:10,880 different from classic standard pools. 916 00:37:10,880 --> 00:37:12,800 Yeah. Well, it's it's like no climbing 917 00:37:12,800 --> 00:37:15,280 down the fence and stuff like that. It 918 00:37:15,280 --> 00:37:20,000 kind of crosses over because if you're going to charge a fee, that's 919 00:37:20,000 --> 00:37:21,119 up to the council. you're going to 920 00:37:21,119 --> 00:37:22,359 charge a fee for 921 00:37:22,359 --> 00:37:24,640 non-resident. So, it kind of crosses 922 00:37:24,640 --> 00:37:27,040 over into But if we make a rule that 923 00:37:27,040 --> 00:37:29,200 only residents are going to use the if 924 00:37:29,200 --> 00:37:31,359 only residents are the pool, if there is 925 00:37:31,359 --> 00:37:34,480 no there's no fee, right? But if they 926 00:37:34,480 --> 00:37:36,079 leave that open, then you the city 927 00:37:36,079 --> 00:37:40,400 council chooses to put a fee in then. 928 00:37:40,400 --> 00:37:41,680 Well, then he can make the rule because 929 00:37:41,680 --> 00:37:45,990 it's his rule. 930 00:37:46,000 --> 00:37:48,000 You can do it like the supporting 931 00:37:48,000 --> 00:37:49,280 council. If they don't want it, they 932 00:37:49,280 --> 00:37:51,599 want it. there's some that's a major 933 00:37:51,599 --> 00:37:54,160 policy. Well, I think if you guys could 934 00:37:54,160 --> 00:37:56,440 make that recommendation on Monday and 935 00:37:56,440 --> 00:37:58,960 then we at least we have the chance to 936 00:37:58,960 --> 00:38:00,960 talk about it at the table and I'm going 937 00:38:00,960 --> 00:38:03,599 to be emailing my colleagues and saying, 938 00:38:03,599 --> 00:38:05,680 you know, I really need you to be there 939 00:38:05,680 --> 00:38:08,560 to have this discussion because we can't 940 00:38:08,560 --> 00:38:11,599 we have to make these decisions with we 941 00:38:11,599 --> 00:38:15,320 have to make certain decisions 942 00:38:15,320 --> 00:38:19,440 um by budget time. 943 00:38:19,440 --> 00:38:23,040 Right. Does that sound reasonable? Oh, 944 00:38:23,040 --> 00:38:24,640 before the budget because the pool's 945 00:38:24,640 --> 00:38:31,750 going to be open up this year, right? 946 00:38:31,760 --> 00:38:33,440 Well, whatever I write up, I'm going to 947 00:38:33,440 --> 00:38:35,599 be running by you guys before I share 948 00:38:35,599 --> 00:38:37,520 it. So, I mean, we look at the fee 949 00:38:37,520 --> 00:38:39,440 structure. We have to be cognizant of 950 00:38:39,440 --> 00:38:42,079 the fact is is what's our startup cost? 951 00:38:42,079 --> 00:38:43,520 No, this we're not budgeted to bring 952 00:38:43,520 --> 00:38:45,680 this help on. It's not in the budget 953 00:38:45,680 --> 00:38:47,040 with me. There's nothing here to do that 954 00:38:47,040 --> 00:38:49,520 this year. So, if you're going to set a 955 00:38:49,520 --> 00:38:50,800 fee structure, it can't be something 956 00:38:50,800 --> 00:38:52,079 nominal on the fee. It has to be enough 957 00:38:52,079 --> 00:38:54,079 to cover our cost at least to make sure 958 00:38:54,079 --> 00:38:56,400 that if it's going to be a $25,000 bill 959 00:38:56,400 --> 00:38:58,480 for us to collect and set up or whatever 960 00:38:58,480 --> 00:39:00,960 cost. That fee has to be commensurate to 961 00:39:00,960 --> 00:39:01,920 say, "Listen, we're going to pull at 962 00:39:01,920 --> 00:39:03,680 least we know we're going to pull 25,000 963 00:39:03,680 --> 00:39:04,960 back. We don't want to say we're 964 00:39:04,960 --> 00:39:06,720 collecting fees and it cost us 25,000. 965 00:39:06,720 --> 00:39:09,040 We took in 20." Well, again, I mean, at 966 00:39:09,040 --> 00:39:12,240 the start of this meeting, I feel that 967 00:39:12,240 --> 00:39:14,400 we I I just don't think we're going to 968 00:39:14,400 --> 00:39:16,400 be able to do that for this season. I 969 00:39:16,400 --> 00:39:21,030 mean, we don't 970 00:39:21,040 --> 00:39:22,480 I think what we're trying to do is maybe 971 00:39:22,480 --> 00:39:24,640 just recoup whatever we can. It's or 972 00:39:24,640 --> 00:39:26,480 offset the cost of operating the pool. 973 00:39:26,480 --> 00:39:28,640 Maybe it just is covers of cost of the 974 00:39:28,640 --> 00:39:30,720 typo where it covers something. It's 975 00:39:30,720 --> 00:39:34,640 just not totally 100% you know um you 976 00:39:34,640 --> 00:39:37,200 know benefit to the residents, you know, 977 00:39:37,200 --> 00:39:40,400 they pay nothing. Um but that again is a 978 00:39:40,400 --> 00:39:42,079 decision of council to be made. we're 979 00:39:42,079 --> 00:39:43,599 not going to make ourselves whole. Not 980 00:39:43,599 --> 00:39:46,000 paying, you know, $200,000 a year almost 981 00:39:46,000 --> 00:39:49,040 in, you know, um fees for uh 982 00:39:49,040 --> 00:39:51,119 lifeguarding services. And then on top 983 00:39:51,119 --> 00:39:52,560 of that, the chemicals for all three 984 00:39:52,560 --> 00:39:54,079 pools and then, you know, our 985 00:39:54,079 --> 00:39:55,440 maintenance costs and the painting of 986 00:39:55,440 --> 00:39:57,760 the pool, you know, um the power of the 987 00:39:57,760 --> 00:39:59,440 pool. I mean, if you look at all these 988 00:39:59,440 --> 00:40:01,640 costs and you know, 989 00:40:01,640 --> 00:40:03,599 security, there's no way we're ever 990 00:40:03,599 --> 00:40:05,200 going to be even nearly made whole. I 991 00:40:05,200 --> 00:40:07,119 mean, it's just a we're right going to 992 00:40:07,119 --> 00:40:08,880 take it. There's no way that fuel fees 993 00:40:08,880 --> 00:40:10,880 are going to do that and we would know. 994 00:40:10,880 --> 00:40:14,000 I mean basically we have a 2025 budget 995 00:40:14,000 --> 00:40:17,680 that has in it the cost of operating the 996 00:40:17,680 --> 00:40:20,200 pool. What our expense 997 00:40:20,200 --> 00:40:24,000 4,42 our expense is about 4,4200 998 00:40:24,000 --> 00:40:25,720 ton of 999 00:40:25,720 --> 00:40:31,040 chemicals chemicals. Oh welling that's 1000 00:40:31,040 --> 00:40:33,599 yeah probably more than if we have 400 1001 00:40:33,599 --> 00:40:36,160 people in the pool worth $300,000 4200 1002 00:40:36,160 --> 00:40:38,599 divided by you know for those 9 weeks. 1003 00:40:38,599 --> 00:40:44,000 So 3,000 divided by the 9 weeks. 1004 00:40:44,000 --> 00:40:49,359 I mean we are not going to make up those costs with bull fees. I mean I 1005 00:40:49,359 --> 00:40:51,280 mean it's 1050 fee to to hold the 1006 00:40:51,280 --> 00:40:53,720 non-residents down. So it's only 1007 00:40:53,720 --> 00:40:57,599 connected. I mean it goes 1008 00:40:57,599 --> 00:41:01,560 I was saying a day by 1009 00:41:01,560 --> 00:41:05,280 3500s are close 3500. 1010 00:41:05,280 --> 00:41:11,430 Yeah. to make non-p perishable goods. 1011 00:41:11,440 --> 00:41:13,359 You have to bring a soup can and a box 1012 00:41:13,359 --> 00:41:16,160 of macaroni. 1013 00:41:16,160 --> 00:41:18,800 I mean, I can tell you that the people 1014 00:41:18,800 --> 00:41:20,800 that are probably using the pool, even 1015 00:41:20,800 --> 00:41:22,720 though we don't have the data, probably 1016 00:41:22,720 --> 00:41:25,280 could benefit from having a non-p 1017 00:41:25,280 --> 00:41:27,040 perishable food item given to them at 1018 00:41:27,040 --> 00:41:30,160 the gate of the pool. So, um, but that's 1019 00:41:30,160 --> 00:41:35,710 an assumption on my part. 1020 00:41:35,720 --> 00:41:42,400 Um, okay. $60,000 for chemicals sold. 1021 00:41:42,400 --> 00:41:44,400 I don't have the budget with me, so I 1022 00:41:44,400 --> 00:41:47,589 know 1023 00:41:47,599 --> 00:41:50,720 I think I bought 60,000. 1024 00:41:50,720 --> 00:41:52,400 Do you have a total figure total expense 1025 00:41:52,400 --> 00:41:59,030 figure at the end there? 1026 00:41:59,040 --> 00:42:00,480 What's hard is we don't know your 1027 00:42:00,480 --> 00:42:02,640 maintenance cost of the building. about 1028 00:42:02,640 --> 00:42:05,160 $365,000 1029 00:42:05,160 --> 00:42:07,599 full the full expense. Well, you got 1030 00:42:07,599 --> 00:42:10,960 it's full maintenance. Um you look at um 1031 00:42:10,960 --> 00:42:12,800 because we did put security staff in 1032 00:42:12,800 --> 00:42:15,200 this year for 28,000 the maintenance 1033 00:42:15,200 --> 00:42:18,400 work which are 15,000. Um then you get 1034 00:42:18,400 --> 00:42:21,079 down into uh fees for services which is 1035 00:42:21,079 --> 00:42:26,359 $1,000. 64 uh chemicals uh supplies is 1036 00:42:26,359 --> 00:42:29,520 another repairs is 36,000 supplies is 1037 00:42:29,520 --> 00:42:31,079 6,000. 1038 00:42:31,079 --> 00:42:35,119 7,200. Um, you know, we heat we heat the 1039 00:42:35,119 --> 00:42:37,359 pool building all year. These are these 1040 00:42:37,359 --> 00:42:39,359 are our costs. Uh, total pool 1041 00:42:39,359 --> 00:42:41,440 maintenance $154,000. Then you get down 1042 00:42:41,440 --> 00:42:44,599 into pools recreation. We've got budget 1043 00:42:44,599 --> 00:42:47,599 $22,000 for a piece for services, you 1044 00:42:47,599 --> 00:42:50,280 know, u$ 1,700 for 1045 00:42:50,280 --> 00:42:53,520 supplies, $5,500 for repairs. Uh, so 1046 00:42:53,520 --> 00:42:56,960 yeah, 210 plus the 154 36. And that 1047 00:42:56,960 --> 00:42:58,480 doesn't include your life, right? No, it 1048 00:42:58,480 --> 00:43:01,359 does. That's total. That does give like 1049 00:43:01,359 --> 00:43:06,470 365 1050 00:43:06,480 --> 00:43:07,720 I got 1051 00:43:07,720 --> 00:43:10,000 16. Yeah. Do we have anything though 1052 00:43:10,000 --> 00:43:12,960 that we get out of CDBG? I mean we had 1053 00:43:12,960 --> 00:43:16,720 No, we don't get No, I don't think so. 1054 00:43:16,720 --> 00:43:23,190 Nothing to the pools out of there. Okay. 1055 00:43:23,200 --> 00:43:26,040 I mean that's sort of 1056 00:43:26,040 --> 00:43:29,000 a a philosophical kind of 1057 00:43:29,000 --> 00:43:31,119 argument, you know, to what extent is 1058 00:43:31,119 --> 00:43:35,230 the city wanting to 1059 00:43:35,240 --> 00:43:37,480 res take 1060 00:43:37,480 --> 00:43:44,109 this $65,000 that 1061 00:43:44,119 --> 00:43:46,280 return our 1062 00:43:46,280 --> 00:43:48,359 total total 1063 00:43:48,359 --> 00:43:52,319 parks come into our parks. Yeah. Um, 1064 00:43:52,319 --> 00:43:55,829 right. 1065 00:43:55,839 --> 00:43:57,280 I I think it should be used to 1066 00:43:57,280 --> 00:43:59,280 discourage people to make sure that 1067 00:43:59,280 --> 00:44:03,200 residents have enough room to enjoy it. 1068 00:44:03,200 --> 00:44:05,040 Well, again, if we decide that we're 1069 00:44:05,040 --> 00:44:08,319 just residents only. Um, that's right 1070 00:44:08,319 --> 00:44:12,550 out right out of gate. 1071 00:44:12,560 --> 00:44:14,160 right off the I forget what you call 1072 00:44:14,160 --> 00:44:16,640 that thing that you dive off of in a 1073 00:44:16,640 --> 00:44:19,280 swim deep but 1074 00:44:19,280 --> 00:44:21,760 right off right off the platform. We're 1075 00:44:21,760 --> 00:44:25,960 already knowing that. So, um, all right. 1076 00:44:25,960 --> 00:44:29,599 Well, I'll try to summarize this uh what 1077 00:44:29,599 --> 00:44:32,240 we talked about in terms of fear not to 1078 00:44:32,240 --> 00:44:34,880 be resident, non-resident. Well, I think 1079 00:44:34,880 --> 00:44:37,280 that's a big one because we talked about 1080 00:44:37,280 --> 00:44:39,200 we're going to charge a fee and now 1081 00:44:39,200 --> 00:44:40,319 we're starting to demonstrate if we went 1082 00:44:40,319 --> 00:44:42,000 to a kiosk, there's the cost started to 1083 00:44:42,000 --> 00:44:44,400 do the kiosk. We've got all these costs 1084 00:44:44,400 --> 00:44:46,560 that are associated with the way that's 1085 00:44:46,560 --> 00:44:48,000 not in that. It's not in this budget, 1086 00:44:48,000 --> 00:44:49,599 right? Can you just I mean do you want 1087 00:44:49,599 --> 00:44:52,800 to share um what what you've come up 1088 00:44:52,800 --> 00:44:54,640 with in terms of what the costs are for 1089 00:44:54,640 --> 00:44:57,359 those the we just have I have a basic 1090 00:44:57,359 --> 00:44:58,880 number for the the kiosk without being 1091 00:44:58,880 --> 00:45:01,440 pulled $8,500 and then like when we did 1092 00:45:01,440 --> 00:45:03,520 talk there's probably another 3500 1093 00:45:03,520 --> 00:45:07,680 $4,000 in cost to be added on 1094 00:45:07,680 --> 00:45:12,550 paper I don't know what maintenance 1095 00:45:12,560 --> 00:45:14,960 fees and then if we're running our own 1096 00:45:14,960 --> 00:45:17,119 help there that that comes up at a 1097 00:45:17,119 --> 00:45:21,910 totally different over there. 1098 00:45:21,920 --> 00:45:24,400 It's only the kiosk. Well, it's kiosk. 1099 00:45:24,400 --> 00:45:26,160 There's other there's other equipment. 1100 00:45:26,160 --> 00:45:27,319 There's 1101 00:45:27,319 --> 00:45:31,790 other 1102 00:45:31,800 --> 00:45:34,560 Well, if we're going to run for an 8week 1103 00:45:34,560 --> 00:45:35,720 season, 1104 00:45:35,720 --> 00:45:39,040 just 300, we have to cover 392 hours for 1105 00:45:39,040 --> 00:45:40,839 the season. That's about 1106 00:45:40,839 --> 00:45:43,920 $6,000 for somebody to collect fees that 1107 00:45:43,920 --> 00:45:46,160 seasonal person. Then we have to figure 1108 00:45:46,160 --> 00:45:48,000 the cost of the park supervisor. 1109 00:45:48,000 --> 00:45:49,040 Somebody that's going to have to go back 1110 00:45:49,040 --> 00:45:50,560 after hours to make sure they picked the 1111 00:45:50,560 --> 00:45:53,839 cash up. Yeah, that unless we did it 1112 00:45:53,839 --> 00:45:56,079 unless we did a season pass and um they 1113 00:45:56,079 --> 00:45:57,440 bought it here, right? Unless we did 1114 00:45:57,440 --> 00:45:58,800 something like that. That's one of the 1115 00:45:58,800 --> 00:45:59,920 options. But this is a trailer 1116 00:45:59,920 --> 00:46:01,359 prosecuting app that somebody was there 1117 00:46:01,359 --> 00:46:03,359 collecting money and doing whatever it 1118 00:46:03,359 --> 00:46:04,880 would cost us about 6,000. We would have 1119 00:46:04,880 --> 00:46:06,319 to have that supervisor go back after 1120 00:46:06,319 --> 00:46:07,839 hours. Look at city hall. Everything's 1121 00:46:07,839 --> 00:46:10,560 closed. We'll close this at 6:30. We'd 1122 00:46:10,560 --> 00:46:12,480 want at least one of our our permanent 1123 00:46:12,480 --> 00:46:13,680 guy picking that money up, the money 1124 00:46:13,680 --> 00:46:14,880 back up and then bringing it the next 1125 00:46:14,880 --> 00:46:19,589 day down here. 1126 00:46:19,599 --> 00:46:23,920 No, that's or case directly to the bank 1127 00:46:23,920 --> 00:46:25,280 and makes a deposit with the bank, but 1128 00:46:25,280 --> 00:46:26,319 then he's going to have to count it, 1129 00:46:26,319 --> 00:46:28,800 make sure the money's right. Well, we 1130 00:46:28,800 --> 00:46:31,119 have um 1131 00:46:31,119 --> 00:46:34,440 for security for the 16 1132 00:46:34,440 --> 00:46:38,560 hours. Yeah, can be somebody there that 1133 00:46:38,560 --> 00:46:41,599 you know until again again you can't 1134 00:46:41,599 --> 00:46:45,359 make decisions without but I mean I I 1135 00:46:45,359 --> 00:46:47,680 just think that trying to do that as 1136 00:46:47,680 --> 00:46:50,319 opposed to having a season pass which 1137 00:46:50,319 --> 00:46:52,079 streamlines it a lot. You come in here 1138 00:46:52,079 --> 00:46:53,839 get your season pass money's already 1139 00:46:53,839 --> 00:46:55,520 being handled in this this building 1140 00:46:55,520 --> 00:46:57,760 already we're geared up to handle credit 1141 00:46:57,760 --> 00:47:00,480 cards and everything here. That's if 1142 00:47:00,480 --> 00:47:02,720 again I have to back up that if we make 1143 00:47:02,720 --> 00:47:05,119 the decision that it's residents only 1144 00:47:05,119 --> 00:47:06,560 and we make a decision that it's 1145 00:47:06,560 --> 00:47:08,560 residents free. You're saying that 1146 00:47:08,560 --> 00:47:10,640 that's not the private council. That's a 1147 00:47:10,640 --> 00:47:12,880 pool rule. 1148 00:47:12,880 --> 00:47:15,309 Residents 1149 00:47:15,319 --> 00:47:18,960 only director can do that. I think the 1150 00:47:18,960 --> 00:47:22,400 parks director can do that. 1151 00:47:22,400 --> 00:47:23,960 the 1152 00:47:23,960 --> 00:47:30,630 policy supports. 1153 00:47:30,640 --> 00:47:33,760 Okay. It doesn't matter what time 1154 00:47:33,760 --> 00:47:35,119 residents will be happy they get to 1155 00:47:35,119 --> 00:47:36,800 swim. 1156 00:47:36,800 --> 00:47:40,309 Okay. So, 1157 00:47:40,319 --> 00:47:42,400 I'm going to make that decision. It's 1158 00:47:42,400 --> 00:47:45,200 the fee structure the council has to do, 1159 00:47:45,200 --> 00:47:47,280 right? So, most of that's going to be 1160 00:47:47,280 --> 00:47:49,200 down residents. 1161 00:47:49,200 --> 00:47:51,280 So if you want unless it's a resident 1162 00:47:51,280 --> 00:47:53,720 only well if you want to 1163 00:47:53,720 --> 00:47:56,160 override if you charge a fee then I 1164 00:47:56,160 --> 00:47:57,920 would say if the council enacts 1165 00:47:57,920 --> 00:48:00,400 legislation saying you can come in 20 1166 00:48:00,400 --> 00:48:03,079 bucks that would override the parks 1167 00:48:03,079 --> 00:48:05,800 director's decision 1168 00:48:05,800 --> 00:48:10,550 a council member 1169 00:48:10,560 --> 00:48:12,400 he's not on the committee he's not on 1170 00:48:12,400 --> 00:48:15,200 the committee so we can't make no so we 1171 00:48:15,200 --> 00:48:16,800 just were having some discussion but we 1172 00:48:16,800 --> 00:48:19,200 couldn't make any we're in trouble 1173 00:48:19,200 --> 00:48:22,880 I I can't really speaking. 1174 00:48:22,880 --> 00:48:25,920 I was like, "Oh my gosh." So, thank you 1175 00:48:25,920 --> 00:48:28,559 for coming because Mr. Muran is coming 1176 00:48:28,559 --> 00:48:30,559 from a very large grand opening of the 1177 00:48:30,559 --> 00:48:32,240 guy in this community center. So, it's 1178 00:48:32,240 --> 00:48:35,440 very nice of you to leave that and and 1179 00:48:35,440 --> 00:48:37,420 you charge them residents. 1180 00:48:37,420 --> 00:48:39,280 [Music] 1181 00:48:39,280 --> 00:48:42,200 No, that's a good idea. 1182 00:48:42,200 --> 00:48:44,400 So, comes to get a bag of food, he's got 1183 00:48:44,400 --> 00:48:46,960 a bag here. Yeah. Basically, at next 1184 00:48:46,960 --> 00:48:48,880 week's city council committee meeting, 1185 00:48:48,880 --> 00:48:50,240 you're going to have to do health and 1186 00:48:50,240 --> 00:48:54,640 recreation and um we have to decide uh 1187 00:48:54,640 --> 00:48:58,400 well staff um decide rules for the 1188 00:48:58,400 --> 00:49:01,680 pools. We just have to decide if we 1189 00:49:01,680 --> 00:49:04,400 would be having a fee and if so then we 1190 00:49:04,400 --> 00:49:06,000 would have to be deciding what the fee 1191 00:49:06,000 --> 00:49:08,960 is. So, so city council does the fees, 1192 00:49:08,960 --> 00:49:12,000 these guys do the rules. The the the 1193 00:49:12,000 --> 00:49:14,079 bottom line is if for example there's 1194 00:49:14,079 --> 00:49:16,079 two things, it's not these guys, it's 1195 00:49:16,079 --> 00:49:17,760 the park story. The park story. Oh, the 1196 00:49:17,760 --> 00:49:22,160 park. Sorry, Billy. I was trying to 1197 00:49:22,160 --> 00:49:26,079 But so if if we say if they say it's 1198 00:49:26,079 --> 00:49:30,000 going to be residents only in our pool 1199 00:49:30,000 --> 00:49:34,160 and then also then we say residents are 1200 00:49:34,160 --> 00:49:35,920 going to be free, which is what we have 1201 00:49:35,920 --> 00:49:38,920 been saying. um then this is sort of a 1202 00:49:38,920 --> 00:49:42,280 moot point. But we also just 1203 00:49:42,280 --> 00:49:45,040 discussed how much the expense is for 1204 00:49:45,040 --> 00:49:47,400 running the pool which is about 1205 00:49:47,400 --> 00:49:53,680 $365,000 a year. Um but you know yeah 1206 00:49:53,680 --> 00:49:56,160 the three three the three pools. So I'm 1207 00:49:56,160 --> 00:49:58,800 sorry. So it really winds up being 1208 00:49:58,800 --> 00:50:00,240 somewhat of a mutual decision because 1209 00:50:00,240 --> 00:50:02,319 although staff makes the rules the 1210 00:50:02,319 --> 00:50:05,119 council sets the fee sets the fees. So 1211 00:50:05,119 --> 00:50:06,520 if you set a 1212 00:50:06,520 --> 00:50:09,440 fee for non-residents and that is within 1213 00:50:09,440 --> 00:50:11,440 the council's prerogative it that's 1214 00:50:11,440 --> 00:50:13,920 correct it would have written Mhm. So it 1215 00:50:13,920 --> 00:50:15,440 really winds up which is what the mayor 1216 00:50:15,440 --> 00:50:18,160 was saying. Is there any recommendation 1217 00:50:18,160 --> 00:50:19,079 from 1218 00:50:19,079 --> 00:50:24,349 this? Come on. I know we talk. I've been 1219 00:50:24,359 --> 00:50:26,800 trying recommendation. Make it simple. 1220 00:50:26,800 --> 00:50:28,960 Let's move forward. Let's go with four 1221 00:50:28,960 --> 00:50:31,119 garbage bags. 1222 00:50:31,119 --> 00:50:34,800 We need a pool. You already you already 1223 00:50:34,800 --> 00:50:36,880 that apparently we don't make a lot of 1224 00:50:36,880 --> 00:50:39,359 decisions about recommendations. Uh so 1225 00:50:39,359 --> 00:50:40,960 we've already had that. Yeah, we need we 1226 00:50:40,960 --> 00:50:43,440 need to do something ASAP because well 1227 00:50:43,440 --> 00:50:44,880 yeah because they have to have it for 1228 00:50:44,880 --> 00:50:48,000 the because also there's the matter of 1229 00:50:48,000 --> 00:50:50,559 um if we decided to have fees I can fill 1230 00:50:50,559 --> 00:50:53,200 you in later but they need equipment 1231 00:50:53,200 --> 00:50:55,200 they need credit card fee I mean there's 1232 00:50:55,200 --> 00:50:57,440 credit card fees there's um so all of 1233 00:50:57,440 --> 00:51:00,839 that would have to be part of the budget 1234 00:51:00,839 --> 00:51:03,640 machines we could do a budget 1235 00:51:03,640 --> 00:51:07,040 reappropriation to buy these equipments 1236 00:51:07,040 --> 00:51:08,800 uh so that you can process those cards 1237 00:51:08,800 --> 00:51:11,510 and things like 1238 00:51:11,520 --> 00:51:15,280 I vote three. Sorry, I'm I'm voting 1239 00:51:15,280 --> 00:51:17,760 three. Th free for what? Non-resident 1240 00:51:17,760 --> 00:51:19,000 for 1241 00:51:19,000 --> 00:51:21,119 residents. I think that the committee is 1242 00:51:21,119 --> 00:51:22,480 Yeah. Yeah. I think that was that's a 1243 00:51:22,480 --> 00:51:24,319 no-brainer. Everybody since the budget 1244 00:51:24,319 --> 00:51:27,200 time was resident is free non-resident 1245 00:51:27,200 --> 00:51:28,800 if 1246 00:51:28,800 --> 00:51:31,040 we allow non-residents. If we allow 1247 00:51:31,040 --> 00:51:33,200 non-residents to even use the pool. This 1248 00:51:33,200 --> 00:51:36,640 unit does not it's residents only. Um I 1249 00:51:36,640 --> 00:51:39,440 believe we said that uh it was colony I 1250 00:51:39,440 --> 00:51:41,760 think well no one 1251 00:51:41,760 --> 00:51:44,400 they don't allow um I mean unless there 1252 00:51:44,400 --> 00:51:46,640 were guests of residents then they would 1253 00:51:46,640 --> 00:51:49,760 have to pay um that's but otherwise it 1254 00:51:49,760 --> 00:51:53,480 was residents only but that you guys 1255 00:51:53,480 --> 00:51:57,359 would but we can override it but I would 1256 00:51:57,359 --> 00:51:59,960 not recommend overriding a 1257 00:51:59,960 --> 00:52:02,880 staff recommendation from the parks the 1258 00:52:02,880 --> 00:52:04,480 only time there was any disappointment 1259 00:52:04,480 --> 00:52:08,040 last year when the pool was at capacity 1260 00:52:08,040 --> 00:52:11,599 and non-residents were swimming and 1261 00:52:11,599 --> 00:52:13,440 residents couldn't get in. So even if 1262 00:52:13,440 --> 00:52:15,359 you have a fee structure, if 1263 00:52:15,359 --> 00:52:17,280 non-residents get there and then they 1264 00:52:17,280 --> 00:52:20,480 say at our limit, then residents aren't 1265 00:52:20,480 --> 00:52:22,079 getting in. But the same thing if it's 1266 00:52:22,079 --> 00:52:23,680 at capacity with residents, at least 1267 00:52:23,680 --> 00:52:27,680 it's capacity with residents. Um, so 1268 00:52:27,680 --> 00:52:30,480 it's something just to, you know, I 1269 00:52:30,480 --> 00:52:32,240 think as the mayor said that it was, you 1270 00:52:32,240 --> 00:52:34,800 know, a novelty last year, Albany was 1271 00:52:34,800 --> 00:52:37,760 down their pools, right? They were 1272 00:52:37,760 --> 00:52:40,000 they're now they're now building a pool. 1273 00:52:40,000 --> 00:52:42,559 I don't know if it'll be ready for this 1274 00:52:42,559 --> 00:52:44,319 year. 1275 00:52:44,319 --> 00:52:46,319 That's a big 1276 00:52:46,319 --> 00:52:48,160 When we uh when we discussed something 1277 00:52:48,160 --> 00:52:50,559 back, we were talking about can we were 1278 00:52:50,559 --> 00:52:52,240 talking about pulling a report based on 1279 00:52:52,240 --> 00:52:55,359 zip code to see how the kind of fear 1280 00:52:55,359 --> 00:52:58,319 among we can do that but then 1281 00:52:58,319 --> 00:53:01,119 unfortunately Jenna the zip codes don't 1282 00:53:01,119 --> 00:53:03,760 you have 12309 it should be part of the 1283 00:53:03,760 --> 00:53:05,720 city part of this 1284 00:53:05,720 --> 00:53:10,630 unit runs out of Belleview. 1285 00:53:10,640 --> 00:53:13,839 So it's not an accurate 1286 00:53:13,839 --> 00:53:15,680 I kind of like that idea too being 1287 00:53:15,680 --> 00:53:17,920 residential only. 1288 00:53:17,920 --> 00:53:19,440 Yeah. And it's not like that we are the 1289 00:53:19,440 --> 00:53:21,559 only ones doing it in 1290 00:53:21,559 --> 00:53:24,559 this colony. Yeah. I don't have that but 1291 00:53:24,559 --> 00:53:26,880 um take care of take care of our 1292 00:53:26,880 --> 00:53:30,720 residents. I know it was 1293 00:53:30,720 --> 00:53:32,640 but I've looked at some other ones like 1294 00:53:32,640 --> 00:53:34,319 other communities outside the state and 1295 00:53:34,319 --> 00:53:37,040 most of them say residents only. They 1296 00:53:37,040 --> 00:53:40,240 all residents only. I'm pretty sure 1297 00:53:40,240 --> 00:53:42,480 something. 1298 00:53:42,480 --> 00:53:45,760 Let's simplify it. Make it simple. Now, 1299 00:53:45,760 --> 00:53:47,520 do you change the rules at the other 1300 00:53:47,520 --> 00:53:53,150 pools? You let them 1301 00:53:53,160 --> 00:53:55,720 always at the 1302 00:53:55,720 --> 00:53:58,720 other people talk with them. Where are 1303 00:53:58,720 --> 00:53:59,839 they going to go? They want to go to 1304 00:53:59,839 --> 00:54:01,040 Quacken Push. No, we're going to go to 1305 00:54:01,040 --> 00:54:03,040 Central Park. This this poll is only 1306 00:54:03,040 --> 00:54:09,750 residents and then you're free to go to 1307 00:54:09,760 --> 00:54:12,400 That's an interesting point. Actually, 1308 00:54:12,400 --> 00:54:15,200 it looks like the student charges fine 1309 00:54:15,200 --> 00:54:17,640 for rapes uh 1310 00:54:17,640 --> 00:54:21,200 non. But so they do allow non residents 1311 00:54:21,200 --> 00:54:22,760 of 1312 00:54:22,760 --> 00:54:28,109 age for pet 1313 00:54:28,119 --> 00:54:32,829 342 1314 00:54:32,839 --> 00:54:35,680 season just for the card. Well, it does 1315 00:54:35,680 --> 00:54:39,200 say that uh the alien range for adult is 1316 00:54:39,200 --> 00:54:42,640 $10 and res. 1317 00:54:42,640 --> 00:54:45,359 So everybody's paying but they I mean I 1318 00:54:45,359 --> 00:54:46,960 think that's what this is too that these 1319 00:54:46,960 --> 00:54:49,680 pools if it's it's if a resident is 1320 00:54:49,680 --> 00:54:52,079 bringing a non-resident guest and has 1321 00:54:52,079 --> 00:54:54,400 breakdowns for children. Yeah. That's I 1322 00:54:54,400 --> 00:54:56,880 mean we looked at I'm telling you you 1323 00:54:56,880 --> 00:54:58,640 could have a spreadsheet that would have 1324 00:54:58,640 --> 00:55:00,040 you know 20 1325 00:55:00,040 --> 00:55:02,640 columns that's different all these 1326 00:55:02,640 --> 00:55:06,640 various local pools you have residents 1327 00:55:06,640 --> 00:55:08,000 bringing in non-residents. We're going 1328 00:55:08,000 --> 00:55:09,119 to have more we're going to have 1329 00:55:09,119 --> 00:55:10,720 residents in the non-residents in the 1330 00:55:10,720 --> 00:55:11,920 pool where residents are going to be 1331 00:55:11,920 --> 00:55:13,200 excluded because we were allowing 1332 00:55:13,200 --> 00:55:15,640 non-residents in the 1333 00:55:15,640 --> 00:55:18,000 pool. Now, could that be because we were 1334 00:55:18,000 --> 00:55:21,160 novelty last year and the weather was 1335 00:55:21,160 --> 00:55:23,640 hot? And then we talked 1336 00:55:23,640 --> 00:55:26,319 about for example, and this was more 1337 00:55:26,319 --> 00:55:30,480 last last meeting, um if if I'm have 1338 00:55:30,480 --> 00:55:32,079 grandchildren that are from out of state 1339 00:55:32,079 --> 00:55:33,760 and I'm a resident and I'm trying to 1340 00:55:33,760 --> 00:55:35,280 bring my grandchildren, then what do you 1341 00:55:35,280 --> 00:55:37,680 say? But I guess he just would say 1342 00:55:37,680 --> 00:55:39,440 that's the resident, but we'd have to 1343 00:55:39,440 --> 00:55:42,160 have a guest policy as well. Those would 1344 00:55:42,160 --> 00:55:44,160 be rules, right? That seems those would 1345 00:55:44,160 --> 00:55:50,109 be staff 1346 00:55:50,119 --> 00:55:52,640 recommending people in the pool like 1347 00:55:52,640 --> 00:55:56,240 which residents non-residents really I 1348 00:55:56,240 --> 00:55:58,880 mean it sounds like a rule but it's 1349 00:55:58,880 --> 00:56:01,200 bigger than that. It really is a policy. 1350 00:56:01,200 --> 00:56:04,079 I do think it's a joint because of the 1351 00:56:04,079 --> 00:56:06,319 fee structure following on the council 1352 00:56:06,319 --> 00:56:08,160 and the rules decisions being with the 1353 00:56:08,160 --> 00:56:11,599 parks director. I don't give it a I mean 1354 00:56:11,599 --> 00:56:14,720 the council has to make or has to put 1355 00:56:14,720 --> 00:56:17,599 their voice in as well 1356 00:56:17,599 --> 00:56:22,319 in terms of the rules. Yeah. the policy 1357 00:56:22,319 --> 00:56:24,160 whether whether it's going to be 1358 00:56:24,160 --> 00:56:26,880 residents only or or whatever or there's 1359 00:56:26,880 --> 00:56:29,520 going to be a fee. Nobody's construction 1360 00:56:29,520 --> 00:56:32,400 of their pool is expected to be finished 1361 00:56:32,400 --> 00:56:34,079 their 1362 00:56:34,079 --> 00:56:37,280 Oh, sometime right. We are we're going 1363 00:56:37,280 --> 00:56:39,040 to see an influx of people from Albany 1364 00:56:39,040 --> 00:56:42,960 again. Yeah, it's Yeah, I think we 1365 00:56:42,960 --> 00:56:44,720 should reach out maybe reach out to them 1366 00:56:44,720 --> 00:56:48,720 and see if they may not be open for 1367 00:56:48,720 --> 00:56:50,880 Here's one from New Jersey. Only Bayon 1368 00:56:50,880 --> 00:56:53,520 residents permitted to use in the pool. 1369 00:56:53,520 --> 00:56:55,559 There's another one 1370 00:56:55,559 --> 00:56:58,079 from Department Leisure Card issued 1371 00:56:58,079 --> 00:56:59,160 leisure 1372 00:56:59,160 --> 00:57:02,000 card. Can we put a sign right there that 1373 00:57:02,000 --> 00:57:07,589 says Beo, New Jersey, not 12? 1374 00:57:07,599 --> 00:57:10,480 It's all the policies. Philly has an ID 1375 00:57:10,480 --> 00:57:12,079 card. You must purchase your ID card 1376 00:57:12,079 --> 00:57:13,599 before you use the pool. You must come 1377 00:57:13,599 --> 00:57:15,839 and get your ID card, which we also 1378 00:57:15,839 --> 00:57:18,000 talked about. We did talk about 1379 00:57:18,000 --> 00:57:20,640 everybody resident and non-resident 1380 00:57:20,640 --> 00:57:23,040 before they use the pool. So that way 1381 00:57:23,040 --> 00:57:26,160 you have a better tracking, you know. 1382 00:57:26,160 --> 00:57:28,559 Yeah, we actually talked about I I'm 1383 00:57:28,559 --> 00:57:30,160 going to call Dr. photo to find out if 1384 00:57:30,160 --> 00:57:32,079 there's, you know, the school ID. If the 1385 00:57:32,079 --> 00:57:34,799 if if it's a photo ID, if students have 1386 00:57:34,799 --> 00:57:36,359 a school 1387 00:57:36,359 --> 00:57:45,589 ID July 4th, did you guys hear that? 1388 00:57:45,599 --> 00:57:47,960 It's usually about a week before we 1389 00:57:47,960 --> 00:57:51,000 start. I spoke to Julie and she 1390 00:57:51,000 --> 00:57:54,440 said 302s two 1391 00:57:54,440 --> 00:57:57,200 304s you know she was seeing all those 1392 00:57:57,200 --> 00:57:59,599 from all 1393 00:57:59,599 --> 00:58:02,160 so well I think people come visit their 1394 00:58:02,160 --> 00:58:05,200 friends simpified forward right so we'll 1395 00:58:05,200 --> 00:58:07,520 have to do it on Monday yes simplified 1396 00:58:07,520 --> 00:58:10,040 move forward if we have to move the fee 1397 00:58:10,040 --> 00:58:13,640 or we don't have the fee we 1398 00:58:13,640 --> 00:58:16,640 just res 1399 00:58:16,640 --> 00:58:19,520 if you can residents in for 1400 00:58:19,520 --> 00:58:23,119 park structure can set the rules if 1401 00:58:23,119 --> 00:58:24,240 you're going to have a fee for 1402 00:58:24,240 --> 00:58:26,319 non-residents or you can just say it's 1403 00:58:26,319 --> 00:58:28,400 strictly for residents and that's it. 1404 00:58:28,400 --> 00:58:30,240 There is no fee structure residents with 1405 00:58:30,240 --> 00:58:32,960 the proper ID are let in. That's it. 1406 00:58:32,960 --> 00:58:36,559 I I also want to remind us all that 1407 00:58:36,559 --> 00:58:39,599 again we can if we make these decisions 1408 00:58:39,599 --> 00:58:42,400 right for 2025 and then at the end of 1409 00:58:42,400 --> 00:58:46,400 our season we evaluate and decide you 1410 00:58:46,400 --> 00:58:48,799 know did this work did that work what do 1411 00:58:48,799 --> 00:58:52,400 we want to do for 2026 1412 00:58:52,400 --> 00:58:54,240 I think that that was going to be we 1413 00:58:54,240 --> 00:58:56,559 should do that 1414 00:58:56,559 --> 00:58:58,960 resident only and move forward this year 1415 00:58:58,960 --> 00:59:00,880 let's see how it works and then come 1416 00:59:00,880 --> 00:59:02,400 back 1417 00:59:02,400 --> 00:59:05,040 for the discussion. Yeah, it's going to 1418 00:59:05,040 --> 00:59:10,000 have to go through the QA next week. 1419 00:59:10,000 --> 00:59:14,319 I might call you just for talk about 1420 00:59:14,319 --> 00:59:16,960 I'll put in legislative request that for 1421 00:59:16,960 --> 00:59:19,079 th on 1422 00:59:19,079 --> 00:59:25,190 th Monday, right? 1423 00:59:25,200 --> 00:59:27,040 Yeah. I'll put in a legislative request 1424 00:59:27,040 --> 00:59:29,839 that we'll make the decisions. 1425 00:59:29,839 --> 00:59:33,200 policy not 1426 00:59:33,200 --> 00:59:37,000 well I mean it's council administration 1427 00:59:37,000 --> 00:59:40,559 but open soon so 1428 00:59:40,559 --> 00:59:42,880 that's why we want to do it yeah so you 1429 00:59:42,880 --> 00:59:44,160 don't want to put us in discussion we 1430 00:59:44,160 --> 00:59:47,040 want to put it here we can follow okay 1431 00:59:47,040 --> 00:59:51,670 but 1432 00:59:51,680 --> 00:59:54,480 because this is the third meeting at 1433 00:59:54,480 --> 00:59:56,480 that we at least the third meeting where 1434 00:59:56,480 --> 01:00:00,160 we had discussion So of health and 1435 01:00:00,160 --> 01:00:04,549 recreation committee. So 1436 01:00:04,559 --> 01:00:06,160 okay. Well, thanks guys. I'm really 1437 01:00:06,160 --> 01:00:09,280 sorry that I apologize on behalf of my 1438 01:00:09,280 --> 01:00:10,880 fellow health and recreation committee 1439 01:00:10,880 --> 01:00:13,119 members. Um 1440 01:00:13,119 --> 01:00:15,680 where we need this. I know you are. I 1441 01:00:15,680 --> 01:00:18,799 know. I talk to Billy a lot actually. So 1442 01:00:18,799 --> 01:00:25,430 thank you very much all of you. 1443 01:00:25,440 --> 01:00:30,109 And 1444 01:00:30,119 --> 01:00:49,670 that's okay. 1445 01:00:49,680 --> 01:00:51,440 Half a meeting. I'll be happy to move 1446 01:00:51,440 --> 01:00:53,040 forward. We knew we were looking at what 1447 01:00:53,040 --> 01:01:03,990 was the total cost per day, do you say? 1448 01:01:04,000 --> 01:01:10,549 If you have,000,000%, 1449 01:01:10,559 --> 01:01:13,870 you 1450 01:01:13,880 --> 01:01:17,200 haven't program. 1451 01:01:17,200 --> 01:01:21,240 So they need more life to the park 1452 01:01:21,240 --> 01:01:24,480 right in the central park. 1453 01:01:24,480 --> 01:01:26,880 You know we have a pledge for security 1454 01:01:26,880 --> 01:01:29,599 there for nine weeks will be open 1455 01:01:29,599 --> 01:01:31,760 because of the vandalism at night but 1456 01:01:31,760 --> 01:01:33,359 once the pool covered after the nine 1457 01:01:33,359 --> 01:01:37,200 weeks eight I don't know if is.