[0:00] Um this is the followup for the last
[0:01] meeting where we started to talk about
[0:04] um fees and we also talked about um
[0:06] there was the one point that Demani had
[0:09] brought up on the rules um regarding
[0:12] having the parent or guardian and what
[0:14] age. So I think if we start um talking
[0:18] about sort of fees and I know that uh
[0:21] you guys have had we've been talking
[0:22] about fees and how to manage Yeah. I
[0:26] think these Yeah. So um and I did have a
[0:31] conversation with Bill today also. So I
[0:34] have some insight as to what you guys
[0:36] discussed. So do you guys want to talk
[0:38] about that?
[0:40] Director of parks. Well, one of the
[0:42] things we've looked at, Carmela, is when
[0:44] we're looking at collecting the fees,
[0:45] the we're not sure how many
[0:47] non-residents we expect at the pool, as
[0:49] in adults and kids, there's a concern
[0:52] that we have some startup costs in our
[0:55] budget that we're going to have to come
[0:56] up with money
[0:57] with. And without having any data saying
[1:00] we expect, 1500 adults or there's a
[1:02] concern that we're never going to make
[1:03] that money back again. We're going to
[1:04] have a deficit built already,
[1:08] right?
[1:10] So, it seems like maybe there's more
[1:12] that has to be done um before we can
[1:15] consider doing it for this summer. Well,
[1:17] I think the one thing is last summer,
[1:19] you know, we we we we rush to get
[1:21] everything dug. You know, got our
[1:22] chemicals in. Um we were
[1:25] still sort of playing on the chemicals
[1:27] the best way to run the pool, operate
[1:29] it, and you know, a couple things I've
[1:32] heard. And so, you look at that new
[1:34] cost. So if we're looking at collect
[1:36] fees, you know, obviously we're not
[1:37] going to collect fees that are going to
[1:38] offset the cost of our pool. It's not,
[1:41] you know, the expenses running and
[1:43] operating pool even for the, you know, 8
[1:45] to nine weeks. I don't think we could
[1:47] ever we can't recoup that much in in
[1:50] Yeah, you can't do it in a 9 week
[1:51] period. I mean, you know, we contract
[1:54] out the lifeguarding, you know, you have
[1:56] the chemicals. We have, you know, our
[1:58] staff that's going every morning to
[2:00] vacuum the pool, make sure the, you
[2:01] know, the chlorine is the right level
[2:02] before it even opens.
[2:04] um we put in the in the budget this year
[2:07] for uh security for the nine weeks. So,
[2:12] you know, we don't, you know, look until
[2:14] we get a the true cost, what it's going
[2:17] to cost us on the pool. Um and the other
[2:19] that came up with this, you know, from
[2:21] one of the guys did here last year, one
[2:23] of the things
[2:24] was, you know, if we get all the
[2:27] residents, if they have the proper ID,
[2:29] they'll come in for free or do they pay
[2:31] a fee? We don't know. non-residents do
[2:34] they pay the fee or they log last year
[2:36] because we didn't meet the limit on
[2:38] capacity. It was hot last year.
[2:42] There was some complaints that
[2:44] um city residents couldn't be in the
[2:46] pool. They're
[2:48] taxpayers and you know we have non-
[2:52] taxpayers because they pay well actually
[2:54] have to pay you have a fee for them. If
[2:58] people pay non- taxpayers then the tax
[3:01] the payers they can't get in. They're
[3:03] standing in line. We have to turn them
[3:04] away. So there's things you know we have
[3:07] to take into consideration. That's all.
[3:09] Um you know with the fee structure um
[3:13] you know we have fee structure non
[3:16] residents and residents. We have a
[3:18] capacity level. When we're full what
[3:21] happens? you get, you know, half the
[3:24] people they were going in and they were
[3:26] paying customers because they're
[3:27] non-residents, but then we have a bunch
[3:29] of families out there with kids that
[3:30] can't get in and they're city residents
[3:32] and they say, "Well, we paid the taxes
[3:34] to build this school." Yeah. Or
[3:36] whatever. You know, so I think that's a
[3:38] decision that has to be at least thought
[3:40] about. Yeah. I think that um the last
[3:44] couple of meetings that we've had with
[3:45] this committee, I think we were all
[3:46] pretty much in a we all were in
[3:48] agreement that residents would not be
[3:50] paying a fee uh to use to use the pool.
[3:53] So I think the only thing that was under
[3:54] discussion was was you know
[3:56] non-residents but I think given the
[3:58] given fact that you know we would have
[4:01] different equipment that we would need
[4:02] it we have to figure out staffing and we
[4:05] haven't um thought about that in terms
[4:07] of this year's budget. Um it seems to me
[4:10] like we spend time you know still and we need data uh that you guys will
[4:16] be collecting this summer. So it see it
[4:18] seems like you know we have to sort of
[4:20] put that idea of having the fee
[4:23] structure sort of on hold so we have the
[4:26] data and can make some decisions and
[4:29] sort of return to that discussion so
[4:30] that we're ready to go for 2026. We
[4:32] tried to anticipate some of the costs. I
[4:34] mean, like I said with the security, you
[4:36] know, our chemical costs, you know,
[4:38] different things. Um you know and you
[4:41] know this we have a meeting scheduled
[4:45] for next week um with Boys and Girls
[4:48] Club
[4:49] um to start talking about you know their
[4:53] role
[4:55] uh you know and again a contract with
[4:57] them what their fee would be for this
[4:59] year to operate in all three pools. Um
[5:03] yeah so you know hopefully we'll meet
[5:06] with them on Monday um and hopefully you
[5:09] know it's a drought contract some ideas
[5:11] just ask some technical
[5:13] question you don't seem to have a quum
[5:16] we don't so um I did check that we could
[5:18] still move we have all these wonderful
[5:20] people have come u but uh Dorian and
[5:23] Demani are not here so we don't have a
[5:25] quorum we can't vote on anything but um
[5:28] we could still at least discuss some of
[5:30] the issues and then next week when we
[5:31] have city council committee. Um I'll try
[5:34] to bring some things forward and
[5:37] um and you know try to vote some things
[5:40] out of committee if we have if we have
[5:41] to make decisions. But I I think it's
[5:44] sounding like um at least for the summer
[5:47] of 2025 we may not be um might not be
[5:50] the right timing to be able to try to
[5:52] figure out a new structure for this
[5:53] summer. Is is that what we're hearing
[5:55] pretty much? You know, I you've been
[5:58] doing a lot of research on I've been
[6:00] looking at everything and one of the
[6:01] things one of the questions I had is are
[6:02] we going to charge out all the pools?
[6:05] Well, that that is a decision that has
[6:06] to be made. I think again when we've had
[6:08] the last couple of meetings we've been operating thinking that what
[6:12] we decide for one of the pools would be
[6:14] the same for all pools. Um but I can't I
[6:17] mean again without my colleagues here um
[6:21] you know how do you guys feel about it?
[6:24] Well, again, it's how we manage it. We
[6:27] would, you know, if it's all the pools,
[6:28] we have to somebody taking those fees
[6:31] every day and all the pools. And who is
[6:34] it? Who is it going to be? Is it are we
[6:36] going to ask our our contractor, which
[6:38] would be Boys and Girls Club, if they
[6:39] want that responsibility and liability?
[6:41] Is it going to be the city who put
[6:43] somebody there? Um, and then at the end
[6:46] of the day, you know, that would have to
[6:49] come to a city hall or a golf course or
[6:51] somewhere where, you know, Yeah. which
[6:54] is and where do we collect it? I mean,
[6:55] yeah, if you do it, you know, if you do
[6:58] it at the one park, you
[7:02] know, you know, somebody doesn't have
[7:04] money, but he is a credit card. I mean,
[7:06] I you know, it's just it's you go to the golf course and pay,
[7:11] but if you're you know, if you're at
[7:13] Hillhurst, not
[7:16] quite Front Street,
[7:19] right, we just have somebody at the gate
[7:22] charging. Yeah. I mean, do we do
[7:24] seasonal a seasonal fee where they can
[7:26] come, you know, even to here, you know,
[7:27] ahead of the season to That's one thing
[7:30] you talked about when I spoke to Derek,
[7:31] we had talked about the kiosk, too. The
[7:33] kiosk came with a lot of different
[7:35] options, but we have to get it
[7:37] programmed. We have to have the option
[7:39] of trans fee transaction, how's the
[7:42] money going to be processed, maintenance
[7:44] cost, what happens if our machine breaks
[7:45] down, what do we do for the day now? So,
[7:48] it's just not the basic, you know, I've
[7:49] done some research on the basic cost of
[7:51] the machine, but then there's everything
[7:52] else added on top of that. Have you
[7:55] would you um want to, you know, several
[7:59] of the other pools locally do um charge
[8:03] um maybe we should be trying to have a
[8:05] conversation with some of those folks
[8:06] about how they I mean, MSU is only their
[8:10] resident state, but so they don't
[8:11] charge. They don't charge. I I had given
[8:13] all I gave all the materials to um the
[8:15] building. So I had looked at comm
[8:20] um Scotia
[8:23] and this unit only lets in res which
[8:27] again if we decide that that's what we
[8:29] wanted to do then
[8:31] same thing I mean we wouldn't be
[8:32] charging a fee.
[8:37] Yeah. But just to make clear, this is
[8:39] not there's not a form. So this is not a
[8:41] committee meeting, right? I know you
[8:44] want to look through it today. It's
[8:45] totally your call to do it, but you may
[8:47] have to do it again next time in case
[8:49] your other committee members want have
[8:51] questions or want.
[8:55] Yeah, I think maybe we should just
[9:01] reschedu in place charge for the golf
[9:04] course. We have it for the tennis. some
[9:06] people take advantage of don't pay.
[9:10] Uh the 26 budget is going to be a
[9:16] challenge to get the numbers to work and
[9:18] I can't
[9:20] have things just kind of out in the
[9:22] limbo. Got to have something in place
[9:24] that I can manage and be able to uh
[9:28] cover the appropriate cost. So, we have
[9:30] to make those decisions before, you
[9:33] know, so that we can um incorporate that
[9:35] into the 26 budget, right? I need during
[9:40] the 25 year to debug it to get it out,
[9:43] whatever it is. Yeah. Yeah. Yep. Yep.
[9:46] So, um I know the cost of the equipment
[9:50] that we've talked about in terms of the
[9:51] kiosk and that kind of thing. That's why
[9:53] I asked Derek to come because I I spoke
[9:56] with Gary. I started looking at some of
[9:57] the stuff where Derek brought us some
[9:58] good points that we needed to look at if
[10:00] we were going to go to a kiosk.
[10:04] Do you want to share those? Um like
[10:07] basically touch on that was the
[10:09] maintenance costs you know if it breaks
[10:11] down what's the uh turnaround
[10:14] someone come in and fix that. If it does
[10:16] break down what we close the pool we
[10:19] charge people we just let them in.
[10:20] There's a lot of variables at play. Uh
[10:24] then still, you know, we don't know if
[10:25] we have the boys and girls up there. We
[10:28] want them to mean that or be able to do
[10:31] something if the machine breaks down.
[10:33] But there's a lot of development to it.
[10:36] Negotiations with our bank, right? Is
[10:38] someone that's going to do for us? Well,
[10:41] we have to pick a mering service and
[10:43] find the best rate. Um so I mean that's
[10:46] pretty easy. confidence out there.
[10:50] This is summer we use nine weeks a year.
[10:52] That's right. We use it nine weeks a
[10:54] year. Yeah. Yeah. So then what do you do
[10:57] with the
[10:58] equipment here?
[11:06] It wouldn't be nine months, right? Nine
[11:08] weeks. Nine weeks. So I thought you said
[11:09] nine months. I was like 9 weeks.
[11:13] Yeah.
[11:14] day or night depending on the weather,
[11:15] depend on the calendar, depend on
[11:17] staffing.
[11:18] Yeah.
[11:22] So, how well again another day another
[11:25] day. That's I think we're going to have
[11:27] to reschedule, but those are the
[11:28] questions that we'll have to we'll have
[11:29] to be prepared to try to figure that
[11:31] out. We're going to have to reschedu
[11:33] time to be able to help you, you know,
[11:34] give you guys the
[11:37] biggest analysis. Well, it's to be able
[11:39] to implement it this year to order a
[11:42] kiosk to modify the intake doesn't
[11:47] happen overnight. I got to look at the,
[11:50] you know, the golf course is doing well.
[11:53] Got to look at the pools. Got to look at
[11:56] the tennis courts we're going to put
[11:58] money in.
[12:01] I think whatever software you go with
[12:03] should be used in the tennis
[12:06] courts and vice versa. You know, could
[12:10] be a kiosk that is versatile. If you, know, you want to play tennis, you
[12:14] go to the house, you just pull one of
[12:16] the parking meters up there and just
[12:19] putters in to put your social security
[12:21] number in and that should be license
[12:23] plate. And this year the work schedule
[12:26] for the tennis court, so there's not
[12:27] going to really be no Yeah, the tennis
[12:29] court.
[12:31] Yeah, but we're going to spend a huge
[12:34] amount of money on courts. Yeah, I got
[12:37] to have a design to be able to handle
[12:40] this. So, you want say that it's park
[12:43] launch, anybody go in there and play.
[12:44] They don't have to do anything and we
[12:46] look like fools. I need to know that,
[12:49] right?
[12:51] I mean, I've been wanting us to be
[12:53] charging for tennis, you know,
[12:55] participation for there are some things
[12:57] that we that we're looking at with the
[12:58] tennis uh they know from uh 15 level
[13:01] stuff. She hasn't got us back
[13:02] information, but there is a program now
[13:04] that they use to pay pass. So, it's
[13:07] something we're looking at so we get so
[13:08] when the construction happens,
[13:09] everything's put in place already. So,
[13:11] we don't have to go back take up again,
[13:12] put everything in place. It's got to be
[13:14] a software system that goes from like
[13:16] gate entry. Yeah. that's given to you
[13:19] from the the kiosk for the gate entry
[13:21] gates are online and then when you enter on the
[13:26] gate they report you in it's a I forgot
[13:28] what you call it the name of it but it's
[13:30] something that's big it's out in
[13:31] Oklahoma the system she's getting more
[13:34] information I tried to go on my credit
[13:36] card number and stuff like I'm not
[13:37] coming to Oklahoma but yeah Julie's
[13:40] gonna you mean Julie's getting I mean is
[13:42] going to be involved in this uh Amber's
[13:44] looking at right now to get us stuff
[13:46] into construction
[13:48] Mr. Send the security
[13:52] downstairs driver's license.
[13:57] Not anymore. Never really did.
[14:00] Never did. Your
[14:02] ID record.
[14:05] But is that equipment still there?
[14:08] It might
[14:10] be. Scan a driver's license. So if we
[14:13] use driver's license, school ID is the
[14:17] validation for entering. We might have
[14:21] the equipment software already in
[14:26] place. Most of that we did was input
[14:29] information and it wasn't I thought
[14:34] SC they're small because when I go to my
[14:37] doctor's appointment, they take my
[14:39] medical card and they Yeah. my ID, they
[14:41] scan it at the fact they give it back to
[14:43] me in, you know, 10 seconds. I mean,
[14:45] they just got a little machine. They
[14:47] scan my license cards. Does both sides.
[14:51] Well, I mean, isn't that something that
[14:53] Ban can help us figure out or somebody
[14:56] on his team?
[14:58] Is there a cheap intermission for the
[15:00] first year where like the uh vendors
[15:03] outside here that that uh you know do
[15:05] the the the market out there they have a
[15:09] small tablet like this that they're
[15:11] using Apple Pay and we accept a Venmo or
[15:15] Apple Pay just in you know
[15:19] and get away from the kiosk and just go
[15:22] with a small like we're sort and just
[15:26] bang And this is it. This is all we take
[15:28] Apple and Venmo and just pre-charge
[15:32] them. And
[15:34] that's just correct me if I'm wrong.
[15:36] Nine residents or residents are free.
[15:38] Correct. Or residents. I mean, we've
[15:40] been saying that residents would be
[15:42] great. I mean, we've been saying that
[15:43] from day one, we'd be collecting just
[15:46] from a a non-resident, right?
[15:49] Non-resident, whatever that rate, you
[15:52] set up this year to start as an
[15:54] evaluation.
[15:56] um a small program it be set on the desk
[16:00] and I don't know if it's you know
[16:02] seasonal do this or is it you know a
[16:06] point person from boys and girls club
[16:10] there may be you know but we wouldn't
[16:12] have to pay I mean obviously if it's a
[16:14] seasonal person we'll have to pay that
[16:16] well
[16:18] boys they're going to you probably want
[16:20] to know where you went for your contract
[16:22] negotiation with boys and girls so you
[16:24] know that was going to be something that
[16:26] we were we were going to bring that up
[16:27] is you know if there is if the city does
[16:30] set up some type of fee structure
[16:32] residents is this something that was no
[16:35] matter what we choose whether it's a you
[16:37] know card system or something you know
[16:39] are they interested in managing it for
[16:41] us if they say no they don't want the
[16:42] liability it's going to fall back on the
[16:45] city and our staff to do it okay your
[16:48] meeting is um after our city council
[16:50] it's after Monday no it is Monday oh it
[16:53] is Monday so maybe um would you be able
[16:55] to you know fill us in so that when we
[16:57] have this discussion I don't know what
[16:59] we'll have for them because we're just
[17:00] meeting for the first year you know I
[17:02] mean they're not going to give us
[17:04] anything back we usually typically go in
[17:07] discuss you know the best date for pool
[17:10] opening for closing the hours you know
[17:13] they then figure out lifeguards which
[17:16] you know they ran the new pool last year
[17:18] the two pools are fairly easy they know
[17:20] the staff they need for there they
[17:22] probably have a fairly level of
[17:24] confidence and what they need for the
[17:26] new pool. It's just, you know, what's
[17:28] their fee going to be for the new year?
[17:31] Are we going to keep the same hours? Um,
[17:33] you know,
[17:35] how do you You pay them 180,000 180,000
[17:39] last year.
[17:44] Um, what do you guys think
[17:46] about, you know, do we need to charge at
[17:49] the other the other pools if we're
[17:51] charging at this pool? I mean, this pool
[17:53] is kind of a Cadillac of pools. So, if I
[17:57] kind of am okay, but I don't know if
[17:59] that's allowable that we would just
[18:02] charge at one pool or do we have to
[18:06] discussion?
[18:10] What do you guys feel? I think it's
[18:12] going to be an ongoing cost. So, if you
[18:15] have it's going to triple your cost.
[18:17] We're having three three seats now.
[18:20] Yeah. ransom levels out with our cost on
[18:23] the seasonal while alter 7h hour day and
[18:26] then then the question becomes what do
[18:28] we do at the end of the night if that
[18:30] pool closes at 6:30 most of us permit
[18:32] staff respond at 3 in the afternoon so
[18:34] we're going to have to pay someone to
[18:35] pick that money up to pick the money
[18:36] back up the other thing is it's much
[18:39] simpler but it's more
[18:40] awkward city residents get in for free
[18:43] you got to have some
[18:44] ID anybody else has to pay and they have
[18:47] to go to some other location to get some
[18:49] type of card whether It's the golf
[18:52] course or city hall, they have to
[18:55] have
[18:58] a city generated pass that would allow
[19:01] them to go in. For that, they got to pay
[19:05] $5, $20, whatever it is. Is it one day
[19:09] for the seasons?
[19:11] I I really like that using the resources
[19:14] of city hall and having a pass. It's
[19:17] just a onetime fee. Maybe it's just one
[19:19] time because you don't have somebody
[19:20] coming back. Well, I want to swim today.
[19:22] I don't want to swim tomorrow. Next week
[19:24] can be 100. You just This is the pass.
[19:27] This is the cost. You get to use the
[19:29] pool for the season. It's open. It will
[19:32] turn people away at the pool. But I
[19:34] mean, if you tell them the process of
[19:36] what it is, it make that mean some
[19:39] people are just here visiting, you know,
[19:41] presenting relatives and they want this
[19:43] unit turns people away from city connect
[19:45] to the every day. Yeah. that they their rules are they only allow MSU
[19:50] residents to use their
[19:52] pools of city water.
[19:58] I mean again that is also a decision
[20:00] that we could make.
[20:04] I know I you know I mean it was on the
[20:08] draft rules that I you know had put out
[20:11] so that we'll have to bring back up when
[20:13] we have the rest of the committee. I
[20:15] mean it be a lot easier if we did some
[20:17] kind of pass out city hall ready to
[20:19] handle credit cards and we don't have to
[20:20] talk about all this would be
[20:23] right to do it out here for credit card
[20:25] transaction too. Yeah.
[20:30] Is it's always easy for me to say I have
[20:33] to talk to staff who actually do the
[20:35] work sometimes have a different opinion.
[20:49] I'd probably say it's already
[20:50] established you have a clerk's office
[20:52] that takes money and receipts. So, let's
[20:54] do location is probably the best, but I
[20:56] think we still need analysis of how many
[20:58] people residents are going to be come to
[21:00] the pools because it's not that many
[21:03] have so many upfront costs. the cars,
[21:06] the machines, but the best people's
[21:08] mind. Well, we won't have I mean, it's
[21:10] sort of a chicken and egg kind of thing
[21:12] because we we don't have that data.
[21:15] We're going to collect that data. Well,
[21:16] we're hoping to collect that data
[21:17] starting with this season. Poles like a
[21:20] golf course. It's weather dependent. And
[21:22] but we're we're in a nineweek season,
[21:23] not a you know, April to November. I
[21:26] mean, we're you know, you get a rainy
[21:28] you know Oh, yeah. Yeah, June and July
[21:30] your you season's shot and you don't get
[21:35] good warm weather. People don't really
[21:36] interest in swimming. So, we have a very
[21:38] short
[21:39] season and you know Bill, what are the
[21:41] comps for a season pass and the other
[21:46] they they really a lot of them just non
[21:48] they say non-residents and that's it.
[21:50] Like the mayor was
[21:52] saying you can't get in. I think has I
[21:55] think Gild
[21:57] I thought I seen them in that package.
[21:59] Yes. Yeah. Um Gild does season pass
[22:02] season passes for Gildan residents only.
[22:05] A family pass is $125 includes members
[22:08] of a household and individual pass is
[22:11] $75. Then they do adult lap swim. So
[22:15] they have charges for that. Um they do a
[22:18] public open swim. The fees they do
[22:21] charge $5 for adults and $3 for children
[22:23] six to 14 and seniors over 60 and
[22:26] children five and under are free. Um
[22:30] resum all residents only. It's residents
[22:33] only. What meeting again when we talk
[22:37] about we close at 6:00 now to get nice
[22:41] evenings maybe keep the pool open into
[22:44] the evening. uh the chief of five8 when
[22:47] 518 comes up that might
[22:50] be something where we charge for that.
[22:52] You got to pay and we have to staff it
[22:54] to the open dump again even where
[22:57] residents would pay something to go in
[23:01] for you know limited time they have I
[23:05] think they lessons in the morning to
[23:07] open. Yes. Morning lap swim in the
[23:12] morning which it gets used frequently.
[23:14] Well, pool was designed for that uh
[23:17] resistance, count flow, resistance flow.
[23:20] So, people who
[23:22] are had knee surgery, hip replacement or
[23:25] whatever, going through therapy, all
[23:28] they're doing is really walking the
[23:30] loop, but
[23:32] the water creates resistance. So, it's I
[23:35] think most of the time the people who
[23:37] use that, they went early in the morning
[23:39] because they avoided the all the kids.
[23:41] Yep. And you know there might be
[23:43] something where if you did something
[23:44] after hours it's more an adult right to
[23:47] the same you pay you pay five bucks 10
[23:51] bucks for that. I mean, I think it be
[23:54] limited lifeguarding because you're not
[23:56] looking at the whole pool. You're more
[23:58] adults there that, you know, if the boys
[24:00] and girls clubs, whatever nights were
[24:02] going to be extended hours for an adult
[24:05] therapy swim, I don't know, you know,
[24:07] where people go in and did the
[24:09] resistance and did the lab pool and they
[24:11] weren't, you know, weren't 300.
[24:15] I think we're going to have to get
[24:16] recommendation from you guys on this.
[24:19] Um, I mean, I don't think that we can
[24:21] just
[24:23] But city council recommendation I got
[24:26] gave recommendations on the fee
[24:28] structure for the
[24:30] uh VA soil reservoir. We gave
[24:33] recommendations on garbage collection.
[24:36] I'm done giving
[24:37] recommendations recommendations on
[24:39] contracts that we've gone through.
[24:43] So want you to get your colleagues just
[24:46] to make a
[24:47] decision. We'll work from
[24:50] there. I prefer anything past 70.
[24:56] I'd like to see the data that Boys and
[24:58] Girls Club had that said how many people
[25:00] were turned away from the pool last year
[25:02] because of overflow. Well, they have
[25:05] that data from last year. I didn't ask
[25:07] about that. They had data, but it's all
[25:08] on paper and it's all by zip code. When
[25:10] I looked at it with
[25:13] 12309 to giant zip
[25:17] code, right? Right. But I mean in the
[25:19] future if the need is to set the fees to
[25:24] discourage non-residents from coming or
[25:28] do it at a price because we don't have
[25:31] enough room for the residents. That's a
[25:34] good point. I'm going to call I'll give
[25:35] her a call and ask her what the how many
[25:37] days did you have to shut the pool off
[25:38] because you reached capacity and do you
[25:40] have an estimate of all the time you
[25:41] shut off capacity? Was it midday? Was it
[25:44] late in the day? Was it towards evening?
[25:46] Okay, that'd be great.
[25:49] Call again. put that down. If if we made
[25:52] a decision that it was just going to be
[25:53] residents only, right? Then then it's
[25:57] residents only, then it's residents
[25:58] only. And if we make the decision that
[26:00] res,
[26:04] right? You know, right? And I mean, we
[26:07] definitely had those issues last year,
[26:08] but I I feel that it's anecdotal. So, I
[26:11] think you you know, talking to Julie and
[26:13] getting I'll see what you see what they
[26:15] have, you know, I'm not sure if they
[26:17] have that kind of data. I know they had
[26:18] the the zip code one cuz I looked at all
[26:20] of it. She had stacks of it. She could
[26:22] tell. But when I started looking, I go,
[26:25] "Yeah, they had zip code 126."
[26:30] Yeah. Yeah. But I think that would be a
[26:33] good one. How many times will the pool
[26:34] shut off? Because that would be a key.
[26:35] How many times did they reach the
[26:37] maximum limit and shut off midday and
[26:39] there's a rotation? I mean, how many
[26:40] people are going to stand? If you're
[26:41] telling me it's 90 degrees, I got to
[26:42] stand in line. I got to wait 12 hours to
[26:44] get in the pool. I'm leaving. I can
[26:45] stand there. Last year there was also a
[26:47] novelty factor. So people want to go for
[26:50] the first
[26:51] time. We had
[26:53] some fairly high temperature days too.
[26:58] Yeah. right when you first opened
[26:59] especially I think it was over 100
[27:01] degrees the week that
[27:03] those were the days where we you know we
[27:05] struggled with um you know being allow
[27:08] some people in because we were set
[27:10] capacity
[27:14] for those when we looked at the other
[27:16] communities they didn't say well grandma
[27:17] showed up and she wanted to date us cuz
[27:19] she had the kids that were from the city
[27:21] here see so because I thought that
[27:22] argument said well what if grandma here
[27:24] if you if you say no non-resident if
[27:26] grandma's grandchildren come up from New
[27:27] York City they can't one.
[27:31] I don't know what this I mean that we've
[27:33] gone over we've gone around and around on that one and I don't see
[27:37] anything that involves anything that
[27:38] says oh by the way if they come up you
[27:39] will be allow and swim. It's just you're
[27:41] not a resident you're not allowed. It's this idea of do you allow what they
[27:45] all and this is only two of them
[27:47] actually but um so I think there's
[27:49] others but we I can I have them on my
[27:51] computer at home too. Um because I think
[27:53] what a lot of a lot of them say is it's
[27:56] open to residents but residents can have
[27:58] up to three guests. Um so then um we
[28:03] started on that number. We'll have a
[28:04] heart connected residents with 300
[28:06] guests in the pool and it has
[28:07] non-resident guest like Gilderland is
[28:10] charging non-resident guests of resin a
[28:13] fee. How do you I know who determines
[28:16] how do you know and you bring somebody
[28:19] you know just my grandchild. Well,
[28:20] that's why I think also we have to talk
[28:22] to the books that run these schools as
[28:24] well. You know, how do they how do they
[28:27] do it? Sometimes there's rules, but what
[28:29] really happens is not always the wits.
[28:32] Mhm. And I think the city school
[28:35] district has some universal
[28:41] he was at the thing. I wanted to talk to
[28:43] him but he was a bit too busy because I
[28:45] think that's a system that if we could
[28:47] get access to that platform so we could
[28:48] punch Paul Leond in says all Paul Leaf
[28:50] goes to Woodline and all it does is put
[28:52] his picture up the body you can go in
[28:54] that's all we need to see that way the
[28:55] handlebars connect to the kids I think
[28:57] they have physical ID too kids have to
[29:00] bring the ID they do I mean that's you
[29:03] know Demani has has said that I haven't
[29:05] seen elementary yet oh I don't know that
[29:09] the high school that's what I've always
[29:10] thought it's junior All right. Well, not
[29:13] bad. It's like 6 right now or
[29:18] go.
[29:19] Yes. It was It was even like that, but
[29:23] now it's
[29:25] You know what? I'll call Dr. Cotto and
[29:29] I'm sure he'll probably refer me to
[29:32] um what's his name? The athletic
[29:35] director. Well, Jason Wall. Jason.
[29:37] Right. I mean,
[29:39] but I'll I'll take responsibility. we've
[29:41] been waiting for uh someone else to do
[29:44] it. So, um
[29:47] I mean I don't see a problem with the
[29:48] elementary kids. I think that's an easy
[29:50] that's a doable one. As we get into the
[29:51] older kids, that becomes a problem in
[29:54] terms of
[29:56] when you start to get to the 15 16 year
[29:57] olds. Well, I forgot my ID. I didn't
[30:00] have my ID. One of the things that we
[30:02] had didn't, you know, anyone over 10
[30:03] years old must have their Stanty City
[30:05] School District photo ID or an ID. uh
[30:07] you know and you know anybody from 5 to
[30:10] 10 they have to have a talented with
[30:11] them because you know I mean and I
[30:14] thought we we had discussed it at you
[30:16] know 10 years old I thought they they
[30:18] had you know IDs are 11 you know what I
[30:21] mean so 11 years older they got their
[30:24] school ID like the mayor mentioned and
[30:27] you know you have school ID you get in
[30:30] enjoy yourself for the
[30:31] day anybody younger has to have their
[30:34] adult you know with them and they have
[30:36] to be you on the full deck with them
[30:38] because that was some of the rules. Yes.
[30:40] So, I think um this did go um via SAM to
[30:44] city council. Um Yep. Thanks. Thank you
[30:48] for sending it to Sam. So, um I'm going
[30:51] to follow up and basically, you know,
[30:53] I'll put in a legislative request to
[30:55] have this uh on the agenda for Monday.
[30:58] at least the rules accepted and and I'm
[31:01] going to tell them we have to be
[31:02] prepared to you know make a decision
[31:04] about these rules that you guys are
[31:07] recommending here. Okay. I'm sorry. What
[31:09] rules are you talking about?
[31:14] These so the rules don't need a
[31:16] resolution. The rules are um Oh, you
[31:19] guys just decide we don't have
[31:21] [Music]
[31:23] to the fee structure until the council
[31:26] is the deal. Okay. Maybe um what the
[31:31] council could change that if you want to
[31:33] take the power away from it. No, you can
[31:35] do that. Yeah, you're not going to do
[31:36] that.
[31:38] Yeah. So, um I guess what I could do is
[31:42] just um write something up that would be
[31:45] sort of a recommendation about fees
[31:48] um that I would run by you guys first.
[31:51] Um and I would send that out to city
[31:53] council before Monday and say we have to
[31:56] make a decision about this on Monday.
[31:58] Does that sound reasonable? Sure.
[32:02] Okay. And so we don't have to Yeah, that
[32:06] we don't have to assess it. You
[32:08] mentioned that before you did it. I'm
[32:11] sorry.
[32:16] Yeah. Can we make
[32:19] them checks all pay too? I mean I like
[32:22] the idea of a season a season pass
[32:25] because then it is they come here to
[32:29] someone and they get charged for the
[32:32] season and then they have that season
[32:34] pass and that's how they get into. So it
[32:36] really eliminates I eliminates the
[32:38] bottleneck at the pool because when you
[32:40] come to the pool you're going to say are
[32:41] you a resident or you're a non-resident
[32:42] you got to go over here and do this.
[32:43] We're going to have a big bottleneck
[32:44] there if we don't have something that's
[32:46] like you have to come see I'll get your
[32:47] pass and get your
[32:49] passport of responsibility off of a
[32:51] teenager from the Boys and Girls Club
[32:53] having to enforce that. I mean it's like
[32:55] sort of cut and drive, right? You kind
[32:58] of we have to be responsible for that
[33:01] has to be I'm sorry. Can you not even
[33:03] know if boys and girls say they didn't
[33:05] what they did to do
[33:08] that and we have to pay for staffing. Is
[33:11] it a photo ID?
[33:14] We can squeeze me, but the idea that
[33:19] we would be right through the fence.
[33:22] Yeah, actually toss the castle to the
[33:25] other. No, we talked about that with
[33:27] Julie. We talked about that there. We
[33:30] have to come up with a banding system,
[33:31] she said, because one of the problems
[33:32] that she she anticipates that they've
[33:35] seen is people get in, our bathroom
[33:37] doors will open from the inside and out
[33:38] because it's open for tennis. So once
[33:40] you're inside that pool, you can walk
[33:41] into the bathroom. You can let other
[33:43] people you can walk in. You can walk in,
[33:44] you can go right in. So it has to be
[33:46] something that can identify you because
[33:48] you've been passed through the pool that
[33:49] we know who you are, why you got in. But
[33:51] so that means I I
[33:53] guess is this right that we would have a
[33:56] season pass that perhaps they would get
[33:58] here, some sort of photo ID. I'm making
[34:00] this up as I go along, but then when
[34:02] they get to the pool on Tuesday, they
[34:05] have to get a band or you sign in when
[34:07] you come to the pool and take your
[34:08] season pass. that goes in the box and
[34:10] when you leave you get your season pass
[34:11] that will stop the passing of the passer
[34:12] now. Okay. We have to come up with some type of thing. You get a band, you
[34:16] go in, you leave your pass here and when
[34:18] you leave you come to the desk and they
[34:19] check you out and you get your your
[34:20] band,
[34:23] but we banned you when you come in. That
[34:24] way we know because she said that's a
[34:26] problem. Bands aren't expensive. They
[34:28] get the ones you get when they get the
[34:31] carnival when you you take the kids for
[34:33] the rides and get the all day pass. So
[34:35] step one is season
[34:39] pass that you get here.
[34:45] Step two, you show up. You show your
[34:48] pass
[34:50] and you check in and you get panned and
[34:52] you pass the solid until you come back
[34:53] out. The other place that's set up to
[34:56] take payment is the golf course. It's a
[34:58] lot closer to the park.
[35:02] If it can be done, maybe it doesn't have
[35:04] to be photo IDed if it could be scantron
[35:08] and then we could show if we have a
[35:09] system that showed that the scan only
[35:12] once a day scan that scan right past the
[35:16] past school ID we can find I'll find out
[35:20] if the school ID is photo ID
[35:24] but if you know if you're a resident
[35:25] we're just tracking and coming in
[35:27] because there's no fee for
[35:29] residents laying city residents come in
[35:32] for free. So, we're not charging it. No,
[35:34] we just want you to identify when you
[35:35] come in as a city resident. So, it's
[35:37] then you'll have the data so that again
[35:41] when we try to
[35:43] reconvene later after the season, we
[35:46] make some decisions based on data about
[35:48] how many residents versus non-residents
[35:50] used our pool. Well, we do an exit
[35:52] survey of what happened for the course
[35:53] of the year and and look at right what
[35:56] we had using our pool. But again, if
[35:59] you're going to let non residents in,
[36:01] right? But again, that decision still
[36:03] has to be made. So that no not residents
[36:05] aren't going to come
[36:07] in and is there, you know, and there's
[36:09] no fee structure for residents. Well,
[36:11] okay. That would be a whole rule. So
[36:14] that would not be city council. That
[36:16] would be staff making that decision,
[36:19] right? Is that what I'm hearing? Yeah.
[36:21] Unless you want to make it a local law
[36:23] and it can be sold at city council. I
[36:26] think
[36:26] that again I can't I can't speak for my
[36:29] colleagues because we don't have a
[36:30] quorum but um to me that seems like
[36:32] that's a full rule.
[36:35] Yes. Thank
[36:38] you. So you guys can tell us um on
[36:41] Monday about that.
[36:45] This has been outlined by staff before
[36:47] for
[36:49] I Yeah. I mean me too. I mean, I was the
[36:53] first person to put the draft out there.
[36:55] So, we've had
[36:57] I went to the old pool. I seen I
[36:59] happened to be up at music table today
[37:00] because they were doing something and I
[37:01] looked over and there's rules on the old
[37:03] pool. So, I went down and show pictures
[37:04] of it. Oh, yeah. They're a little bit
[37:06] different from classic standard pools.
[37:10] Yeah. Well, it's it's like no climbing
[37:12] down the fence and stuff like that. It
[37:15] kind of crosses over because if you're going to charge a fee, that's
[37:20] up to the council. you're going to
[37:21] charge a fee for
[37:22] non-resident. So, it kind of crosses
[37:24] over into But if we make a rule that
[37:27] only residents are going to use the if
[37:29] only residents are the pool, if there is
[37:31] no there's no fee, right? But if they
[37:34] leave that open, then you the city
[37:36] council chooses to put a fee in then.
[37:40] Well, then he can make the rule because
[37:41] it's his rule.
[37:46] You can do it like the supporting
[37:48] council. If they don't want it, they
[37:49] want it. there's some that's a major
[37:51] policy. Well, I think if you guys could
[37:54] make that recommendation on Monday and
[37:56] then we at least we have the chance to
[37:58] talk about it at the table and I'm going
[38:00] to be emailing my colleagues and saying,
[38:03] you know, I really need you to be there
[38:05] to have this discussion because we can't
[38:08] we have to make these decisions with we
[38:11] have to make certain decisions
[38:15] um by budget time.
[38:19] Right. Does that sound reasonable? Oh,
[38:23] before the budget because the pool's
[38:24] going to be open up this year, right?
[38:31] Well, whatever I write up, I'm going to
[38:33] be running by you guys before I share
[38:35] it. So, I mean, we look at the fee
[38:37] structure. We have to be cognizant of
[38:39] the fact is is what's our startup cost?
[38:42] No, this we're not budgeted to bring
[38:43] this help on. It's not in the budget
[38:45] with me. There's nothing here to do that
[38:47] this year. So, if you're going to set a
[38:49] fee structure, it can't be something
[38:50] nominal on the fee. It has to be enough
[38:52] to cover our cost at least to make sure
[38:54] that if it's going to be a $25,000 bill
[38:56] for us to collect and set up or whatever
[38:58] cost. That fee has to be commensurate to
[39:00] say, "Listen, we're going to pull at
[39:01] least we know we're going to pull 25,000
[39:03] back. We don't want to say we're
[39:04] collecting fees and it cost us 25,000.
[39:06] We took in 20." Well, again, I mean, at
[39:09] the start of this meeting, I feel that
[39:12] we I I just don't think we're going to
[39:14] be able to do that for this season. I
[39:16] mean, we don't
[39:21] I think what we're trying to do is maybe
[39:22] just recoup whatever we can. It's or
[39:24] offset the cost of operating the pool.
[39:26] Maybe it just is covers of cost of the
[39:28] typo where it covers something. It's
[39:30] just not totally 100% you know um you
[39:34] know benefit to the residents, you know,
[39:37] they pay nothing. Um but that again is a
[39:40] decision of council to be made. we're
[39:42] not going to make ourselves whole. Not
[39:43] paying, you know, $200,000 a year almost
[39:46] in, you know, um fees for uh
[39:49] lifeguarding services. And then on top
[39:51] of that, the chemicals for all three
[39:52] pools and then, you know, our
[39:54] maintenance costs and the painting of
[39:55] the pool, you know, um the power of the
[39:57] pool. I mean, if you look at all these
[39:59] costs and you know,
[40:01] security, there's no way we're ever
[40:03] going to be even nearly made whole. I
[40:05] mean, it's just a we're right going to
[40:07] take it. There's no way that fuel fees
[40:08] are going to do that and we would know.
[40:10] I mean basically we have a 2025 budget
[40:14] that has in it the cost of operating the
[40:17] pool. What our expense
[40:20] 4,42 our expense is about 4,4200
[40:24] ton of
[40:25] chemicals chemicals. Oh welling that's
[40:31] yeah probably more than if we have 400
[40:33] people in the pool worth $300,000 4200
[40:36] divided by you know for those 9 weeks.
[40:38] So 3,000 divided by the 9 weeks.
[40:44] I mean we are not going to make up those costs with bull fees. I mean I
[40:49] mean it's 1050 fee to to hold the
[40:51] non-residents down. So it's only
[40:53] connected. I mean it goes
[40:57] I was saying a day by
[41:01] 3500s are close 3500.
[41:05] Yeah. to make non-p perishable goods.
[41:11] You have to bring a soup can and a box
[41:13] of macaroni.
[41:16] I mean, I can tell you that the people
[41:18] that are probably using the pool, even
[41:20] though we don't have the data, probably
[41:22] could benefit from having a non-p
[41:25] perishable food item given to them at
[41:27] the gate of the pool. So, um, but that's
[41:30] an assumption on my part.
[41:35] Um, okay. $60,000 for chemicals sold.
[41:42] I don't have the budget with me, so I
[41:44] know
[41:47] I think I bought 60,000.
[41:50] Do you have a total figure total expense
[41:52] figure at the end there?
[41:59] What's hard is we don't know your
[42:00] maintenance cost of the building. about
[42:02] $365,000
[42:05] full the full expense. Well, you got
[42:07] it's full maintenance. Um you look at um
[42:10] because we did put security staff in
[42:12] this year for 28,000 the maintenance
[42:15] work which are 15,000. Um then you get
[42:18] down into uh fees for services which is
[42:21] $1,000. 64 uh chemicals uh supplies is
[42:26] another repairs is 36,000 supplies is
[42:29] 6,000.
[42:31] 7,200. Um, you know, we heat we heat the
[42:35] pool building all year. These are these
[42:37] are our costs. Uh, total pool
[42:39] maintenance $154,000. Then you get down
[42:41] into pools recreation. We've got budget
[42:44] $22,000 for a piece for services, you
[42:47] know, u$ 1,700 for
[42:50] supplies, $5,500 for repairs. Uh, so
[42:53] yeah, 210 plus the 154 36. And that
[42:56] doesn't include your life, right? No, it
[42:58] does. That's total. That does give like
[43:01] 365
[43:06] I got
[43:07] 16. Yeah. Do we have anything though
[43:10] that we get out of CDBG? I mean we had
[43:12] No, we don't get No, I don't think so.
[43:16] Nothing to the pools out of there. Okay.
[43:23] I mean that's sort of
[43:26] a a philosophical kind of
[43:29] argument, you know, to what extent is
[43:31] the city wanting to
[43:35] res take
[43:37] this $65,000 that
[43:44] return our
[43:46] total total
[43:48] parks come into our parks. Yeah. Um,
[43:52] right.
[43:55] I I think it should be used to
[43:57] discourage people to make sure that
[43:59] residents have enough room to enjoy it.
[44:03] Well, again, if we decide that we're
[44:05] just residents only. Um, that's right
[44:08] out right out of gate.
[44:12] right off the I forget what you call
[44:14] that thing that you dive off of in a
[44:16] swim deep but
[44:19] right off right off the platform. We're
[44:21] already knowing that. So, um, all right.
[44:25] Well, I'll try to summarize this uh what
[44:29] we talked about in terms of fear not to
[44:32] be resident, non-resident. Well, I think
[44:34] that's a big one because we talked about
[44:37] we're going to charge a fee and now
[44:39] we're starting to demonstrate if we went
[44:40] to a kiosk, there's the cost started to
[44:42] do the kiosk. We've got all these costs
[44:44] that are associated with the way that's
[44:46] not in that. It's not in this budget,
[44:48] right? Can you just I mean do you want
[44:49] to share um what what you've come up
[44:52] with in terms of what the costs are for
[44:54] those the we just have I have a basic
[44:57] number for the the kiosk without being
[44:58] pulled $8,500 and then like when we did
[45:01] talk there's probably another 3500
[45:03] $4,000 in cost to be added on
[45:07] paper I don't know what maintenance
[45:12] fees and then if we're running our own
[45:14] help there that that comes up at a
[45:17] totally different over there.
[45:21] It's only the kiosk. Well, it's kiosk.
[45:24] There's other there's other equipment.
[45:26] There's
[45:27] other
[45:31] Well, if we're going to run for an 8week
[45:34] season,
[45:35] just 300, we have to cover 392 hours for
[45:39] the season. That's about
[45:40] $6,000 for somebody to collect fees that
[45:43] seasonal person. Then we have to figure
[45:46] the cost of the park supervisor.
[45:48] Somebody that's going to have to go back
[45:49] after hours to make sure they picked the
[45:50] cash up. Yeah, that unless we did it
[45:53] unless we did a season pass and um they
[45:56] bought it here, right? Unless we did
[45:57] something like that. That's one of the
[45:58] options. But this is a trailer
[45:59] prosecuting app that somebody was there
[46:01] collecting money and doing whatever it
[46:03] would cost us about 6,000. We would have
[46:04] to have that supervisor go back after
[46:06] hours. Look at city hall. Everything's
[46:07] closed. We'll close this at 6:30. We'd
[46:10] want at least one of our our permanent
[46:12] guy picking that money up, the money
[46:13] back up and then bringing it the next
[46:14] day down here.
[46:19] No, that's or case directly to the bank
[46:23] and makes a deposit with the bank, but
[46:25] then he's going to have to count it,
[46:26] make sure the money's right. Well, we
[46:28] have um
[46:31] for security for the 16
[46:34] hours. Yeah, can be somebody there that
[46:38] you know until again again you can't
[46:41] make decisions without but I mean I I
[46:45] just think that trying to do that as
[46:47] opposed to having a season pass which
[46:50] streamlines it a lot. You come in here
[46:52] get your season pass money's already
[46:53] being handled in this this building
[46:55] already we're geared up to handle credit
[46:57] cards and everything here. That's if
[47:00] again I have to back up that if we make
[47:02] the decision that it's residents only
[47:05] and we make a decision that it's
[47:06] residents free. You're saying that
[47:08] that's not the private council. That's a
[47:10] pool rule.
[47:12] Residents
[47:15] only director can do that. I think the
[47:18] parks director can do that.
[47:22] the
[47:23] policy supports.
[47:30] Okay. It doesn't matter what time
[47:33] residents will be happy they get to
[47:35] swim.
[47:36] Okay. So,
[47:40] I'm going to make that decision. It's
[47:42] the fee structure the council has to do,
[47:45] right? So, most of that's going to be
[47:47] down residents.
[47:49] So if you want unless it's a resident
[47:51] only well if you want to
[47:53] override if you charge a fee then I
[47:56] would say if the council enacts
[47:57] legislation saying you can come in 20
[48:00] bucks that would override the parks
[48:03] director's decision
[48:05] a council member
[48:10] he's not on the committee he's not on
[48:12] the committee so we can't make no so we
[48:15] just were having some discussion but we
[48:16] couldn't make any we're in trouble
[48:19] I I can't really speaking.
[48:22] I was like, "Oh my gosh." So, thank you
[48:25] for coming because Mr. Muran is coming
[48:28] from a very large grand opening of the
[48:30] guy in this community center. So, it's
[48:32] very nice of you to leave that and and
[48:35] you charge them residents.
[48:37] [Music]
[48:39] No, that's a good idea.
[48:42] So, comes to get a bag of food, he's got
[48:44] a bag here. Yeah. Basically, at next
[48:46] week's city council committee meeting,
[48:48] you're going to have to do health and
[48:50] recreation and um we have to decide uh
[48:54] well staff um decide rules for the
[48:58] pools. We just have to decide if we
[49:01] would be having a fee and if so then we
[49:04] would have to be deciding what the fee
[49:06] is. So, so city council does the fees,
[49:08] these guys do the rules. The the the
[49:12] bottom line is if for example there's
[49:14] two things, it's not these guys, it's
[49:16] the park story. The park story. Oh, the
[49:17] park. Sorry, Billy. I was trying to
[49:22] But so if if we say if they say it's
[49:26] going to be residents only in our pool
[49:30] and then also then we say residents are
[49:34] going to be free, which is what we have
[49:35] been saying. um then this is sort of a
[49:38] moot point. But we also just
[49:42] discussed how much the expense is for
[49:45] running the pool which is about
[49:47] $365,000 a year. Um but you know yeah
[49:53] the three three the three pools. So I'm
[49:56] sorry. So it really winds up being
[49:58] somewhat of a mutual decision because
[50:00] although staff makes the rules the
[50:02] council sets the fee sets the fees. So
[50:05] if you set a
[50:06] fee for non-residents and that is within
[50:09] the council's prerogative it that's
[50:11] correct it would have written Mhm. So it
[50:13] really winds up which is what the mayor
[50:15] was saying. Is there any recommendation
[50:18] from
[50:19] this? Come on. I know we talk. I've been
[50:24] trying recommendation. Make it simple.
[50:26] Let's move forward. Let's go with four
[50:28] garbage bags.
[50:31] We need a pool. You already you already
[50:34] that apparently we don't make a lot of
[50:36] decisions about recommendations. Uh so
[50:39] we've already had that. Yeah, we need we
[50:40] need to do something ASAP because well
[50:43] yeah because they have to have it for
[50:44] the because also there's the matter of
[50:48] um if we decided to have fees I can fill
[50:50] you in later but they need equipment
[50:53] they need credit card fee I mean there's
[50:55] credit card fees there's um so all of
[50:57] that would have to be part of the budget
[51:00] machines we could do a budget
[51:03] reappropriation to buy these equipments
[51:07] uh so that you can process those cards
[51:08] and things like
[51:11] I vote three. Sorry, I'm I'm voting
[51:15] three. Th free for what? Non-resident
[51:17] for
[51:19] residents. I think that the committee is
[51:21] Yeah. Yeah. I think that was that's a
[51:22] no-brainer. Everybody since the budget
[51:24] time was resident is free non-resident
[51:27] if
[51:28] we allow non-residents. If we allow
[51:31] non-residents to even use the pool. This
[51:33] unit does not it's residents only. Um I
[51:36] believe we said that uh it was colony I
[51:39] think well no one
[51:41] they don't allow um I mean unless there
[51:44] were guests of residents then they would
[51:46] have to pay um that's but otherwise it
[51:49] was residents only but that you guys
[51:53] would but we can override it but I would
[51:57] not recommend overriding a
[51:59] staff recommendation from the parks the
[52:02] only time there was any disappointment
[52:04] last year when the pool was at capacity
[52:08] and non-residents were swimming and
[52:11] residents couldn't get in. So even if
[52:13] you have a fee structure, if
[52:15] non-residents get there and then they
[52:17] say at our limit, then residents aren't
[52:20] getting in. But the same thing if it's
[52:22] at capacity with residents, at least
[52:23] it's capacity with residents. Um, so
[52:27] it's something just to, you know, I
[52:30] think as the mayor said that it was, you
[52:32] know, a novelty last year, Albany was
[52:34] down their pools, right? They were
[52:37] they're now they're now building a pool.
[52:40] I don't know if it'll be ready for this
[52:42] year.
[52:44] That's a big
[52:46] When we uh when we discussed something
[52:48] back, we were talking about can we were
[52:50] talking about pulling a report based on
[52:52] zip code to see how the kind of fear
[52:55] among we can do that but then
[52:58] unfortunately Jenna the zip codes don't
[53:01] you have 12309 it should be part of the
[53:03] city part of this
[53:05] unit runs out of Belleview.
[53:10] So it's not an accurate
[53:13] I kind of like that idea too being
[53:15] residential only.
[53:17] Yeah. And it's not like that we are the
[53:19] only ones doing it in
[53:21] this colony. Yeah. I don't have that but
[53:24] um take care of take care of our
[53:26] residents. I know it was
[53:30] but I've looked at some other ones like
[53:32] other communities outside the state and
[53:34] most of them say residents only. They
[53:37] all residents only. I'm pretty sure
[53:40] something.
[53:42] Let's simplify it. Make it simple. Now,
[53:45] do you change the rules at the other
[53:47] pools? You let them
[53:53] always at the
[53:55] other people talk with them. Where are
[53:58] they going to go? They want to go to
[53:59] Quacken Push. No, we're going to go to
[54:01] Central Park. This this poll is only
[54:03] residents and then you're free to go to
[54:09] That's an interesting point. Actually,
[54:12] it looks like the student charges fine
[54:15] for rapes uh
[54:17] non. But so they do allow non residents
[54:21] of
[54:22] age for pet
[54:28] 342
[54:32] season just for the card. Well, it does
[54:35] say that uh the alien range for adult is
[54:39] $10 and res.
[54:42] So everybody's paying but they I mean I
[54:45] think that's what this is too that these
[54:46] pools if it's it's if a resident is
[54:49] bringing a non-resident guest and has
[54:52] breakdowns for children. Yeah. That's I
[54:54] mean we looked at I'm telling you you
[54:56] could have a spreadsheet that would have
[54:58] you know 20
[55:00] columns that's different all these
[55:02] various local pools you have residents
[55:06] bringing in non-residents. We're going
[55:08] to have more we're going to have
[55:09] residents in the non-residents in the
[55:10] pool where residents are going to be
[55:11] excluded because we were allowing
[55:13] non-residents in the
[55:15] pool. Now, could that be because we were
[55:18] novelty last year and the weather was
[55:21] hot? And then we talked
[55:23] about for example, and this was more
[55:26] last last meeting, um if if I'm have
[55:30] grandchildren that are from out of state
[55:32] and I'm a resident and I'm trying to
[55:33] bring my grandchildren, then what do you
[55:35] say? But I guess he just would say
[55:37] that's the resident, but we'd have to
[55:39] have a guest policy as well. Those would
[55:42] be rules, right? That seems those would
[55:44] be staff
[55:50] recommending people in the pool like
[55:52] which residents non-residents really I
[55:56] mean it sounds like a rule but it's
[55:58] bigger than that. It really is a policy.
[56:01] I do think it's a joint because of the
[56:04] fee structure following on the council
[56:06] and the rules decisions being with the
[56:08] parks director. I don't give it a I mean
[56:11] the council has to make or has to put
[56:14] their voice in as well
[56:17] in terms of the rules. Yeah. the policy
[56:22] whether whether it's going to be
[56:24] residents only or or whatever or there's
[56:26] going to be a fee. Nobody's construction
[56:29] of their pool is expected to be finished
[56:32] their
[56:34] Oh, sometime right. We are we're going
[56:37] to see an influx of people from Albany
[56:39] again. Yeah, it's Yeah, I think we
[56:42] should reach out maybe reach out to them
[56:44] and see if they may not be open for
[56:48] Here's one from New Jersey. Only Bayon
[56:50] residents permitted to use in the pool.
[56:53] There's another one
[56:55] from Department Leisure Card issued
[56:58] leisure
[56:59] card. Can we put a sign right there that
[57:02] says Beo, New Jersey, not 12?
[57:07] It's all the policies. Philly has an ID
[57:10] card. You must purchase your ID card
[57:12] before you use the pool. You must come
[57:13] and get your ID card, which we also
[57:15] talked about. We did talk about
[57:18] everybody resident and non-resident
[57:20] before they use the pool. So that way
[57:23] you have a better tracking, you know.
[57:26] Yeah, we actually talked about I I'm
[57:28] going to call Dr. photo to find out if
[57:30] there's, you know, the school ID. If the
[57:32] if if it's a photo ID, if students have
[57:34] a school
[57:36] ID July 4th, did you guys hear that?
[57:45] It's usually about a week before we
[57:47] start. I spoke to Julie and she
[57:51] said 302s two
[57:54] 304s you know she was seeing all those
[57:57] from all
[57:59] so well I think people come visit their
[58:02] friends simpified forward right so we'll
[58:05] have to do it on Monday yes simplified
[58:07] move forward if we have to move the fee
[58:10] or we don't have the fee we
[58:13] just res
[58:16] if you can residents in for
[58:19] park structure can set the rules if
[58:23] you're going to have a fee for
[58:24] non-residents or you can just say it's
[58:26] strictly for residents and that's it.
[58:28] There is no fee structure residents with
[58:30] the proper ID are let in. That's it.
[58:32] I I also want to remind us all that
[58:36] again we can if we make these decisions
[58:39] right for 2025 and then at the end of
[58:42] our season we evaluate and decide you
[58:46] know did this work did that work what do
[58:48] we want to do for 2026
[58:52] I think that that was going to be we
[58:54] should do that
[58:56] resident only and move forward this year
[58:58] let's see how it works and then come
[59:00] back
[59:02] for the discussion. Yeah, it's going to
[59:05] have to go through the QA next week.
[59:10] I might call you just for talk about
[59:14] I'll put in legislative request that for
[59:16] th on
[59:19] th Monday, right?
[59:25] Yeah. I'll put in a legislative request
[59:27] that we'll make the decisions.
[59:29] policy not
[59:33] well I mean it's council administration
[59:37] but open soon so
[59:40] that's why we want to do it yeah so you
[59:42] don't want to put us in discussion we
[59:44] want to put it here we can follow okay
[59:47] but
[59:51] because this is the third meeting at
[59:54] that we at least the third meeting where
[59:56] we had discussion So of health and
[1:00:00] recreation committee. So
[1:00:04] okay. Well, thanks guys. I'm really
[1:00:06] sorry that I apologize on behalf of my
[1:00:09] fellow health and recreation committee
[1:00:10] members. Um
[1:00:13] where we need this. I know you are. I
[1:00:15] know. I talk to Billy a lot actually. So
[1:00:18] thank you very much all of you.
[1:00:25] And
[1:00:30] that's okay.
[1:00:49] Half a meeting. I'll be happy to move
[1:00:51] forward. We knew we were looking at what
[1:00:53] was the total cost per day, do you say?
[1:01:04] If you have,000,000%,
[1:01:10] you
[1:01:13] haven't program.
[1:01:17] So they need more life to the park
[1:01:21] right in the central park.
[1:01:24] You know we have a pledge for security
[1:01:26] there for nine weeks will be open
[1:01:29] because of the vandalism at night but
[1:01:31] once the pool covered after the nine
[1:01:33] weeks eight I don't know if is.