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Uh, the first from 39 00:11:11,360 --> 00:11:14,320 Saratoga Associates Connect Economic 40 00:11:14,320 --> 00:11:17,200 Impact Report, Mr. Maharkin. 41 00:11:17,200 --> 00:11:19,680 And you want just the floor right over 42 00:11:19,680 --> 00:11:24,000 and then get started. Okay. Okay. Okay. 43 00:11:24,000 --> 00:11:27,839 I'm just going to hand these out. 44 00:11:27,839 --> 00:11:29,920 Let's see if you go that way. Go that 45 00:11:29,920 --> 00:11:33,269 way. Sir, 46 00:11:33,279 --> 00:11:36,320 how are you? Well, how are you? Thanks. 47 00:11:36,320 --> 00:11:38,000 Some of these people that are listening 48 00:11:38,000 --> 00:11:40,160 online, so 49 00:11:40,160 --> 00:11:41,440 this may be the first time I've ever 50 00:11:41,440 --> 00:11:45,519 been given a microphone. Um, and I 51 00:11:45,519 --> 00:11:48,160 normally don't need it. 52 00:11:48,160 --> 00:11:53,670 Does this work? 53 00:11:53,680 --> 00:11:55,440 All right. Um, well, good evening 54 00:11:55,440 --> 00:11:58,320 everyone. Uh, what you have here is the 55 00:11:58,320 --> 00:12:00,480 city parks economic impact report that 56 00:12:00,480 --> 00:12:03,600 Saratoga Associates worked on uh this 57 00:12:03,600 --> 00:12:06,079 summer and fall after the completion of 58 00:12:06,079 --> 00:12:09,200 the central park. And in discussions 59 00:12:09,200 --> 00:12:11,440 with the city, we really wanted to try 60 00:12:11,440 --> 00:12:15,000 to make a connection between the 61 00:12:15,000 --> 00:12:17,800 economics, the economic impact with the 62 00:12:17,800 --> 00:12:20,399 environmental and the health impacts. 63 00:12:20,399 --> 00:12:22,160 Those were all positive, but we really 64 00:12:22,160 --> 00:12:24,639 wanted to show uh really what the 65 00:12:24,639 --> 00:12:27,200 economic impact would be. So what we did 66 00:12:27,200 --> 00:12:30,160 was my friend here, Mr. 67 00:12:30,160 --> 00:12:32,639 uh came up with a report which kind of 68 00:12:32,639 --> 00:12:34,800 shows the methodology that goes into 69 00:12:34,800 --> 00:12:37,600 these studies and we think it's really 70 00:12:37,600 --> 00:12:39,680 uh something that's got some real weight 71 00:12:39,680 --> 00:12:43,040 to it and validity. So Jackson, do you 72 00:12:43,040 --> 00:12:44,639 want to give us the highlights? Yeah, 73 00:12:44,639 --> 00:12:46,399 pass the microphone over. So thank you 74 00:12:46,399 --> 00:12:49,519 folks for having us here for allowing us 75 00:12:49,519 --> 00:12:51,920 to talk about this report. So just kind 76 00:12:51,920 --> 00:12:53,040 of going to go through kind of the big 77 00:12:53,040 --> 00:12:54,560 points about it. I think the big points 78 00:12:54,560 --> 00:12:55,760 and then you know after that if you have 79 00:12:55,760 --> 00:12:57,120 any questions we be glad to talk about 80 00:12:57,120 --> 00:12:59,360 how we got to those results or anything 81 00:12:59,360 --> 00:13:01,839 uh if it's within the report but big 82 00:13:01,839 --> 00:13:03,440 kind of finding is that there's almost 83 00:13:03,440 --> 00:13:07,040 15 million dollars each year in impact 84 00:13:07,040 --> 00:13:09,200 that these parks provide and we kind of 85 00:13:09,200 --> 00:13:12,079 looked at it uh in four distinct 86 00:13:12,079 --> 00:13:15,200 buckets. We looked at it first from the 87 00:13:15,200 --> 00:13:17,839 perspective of you know the racial 88 00:13:17,839 --> 00:13:22,480 equity income of equity excuse me that 89 00:13:22,480 --> 00:13:25,040 sort of thing. Um what we found is that 90 00:13:25,040 --> 00:13:27,839 really skinny compared to peers like 91 00:13:27,839 --> 00:13:31,160 Albany um is a much much 92 00:13:31,160 --> 00:13:34,880 more equitably distributed parks system. 93 00:13:34,880 --> 00:13:36,279 There's a lot 94 00:13:36,279 --> 00:13:39,600 more access across income across race 95 00:13:39,600 --> 00:13:41,680 for folks to go and enjoy these parks. 96 00:13:41,680 --> 00:13:43,200 So that was the first thing we looked at 97 00:13:43,200 --> 00:13:45,680 because the impact in these parts it's 98 00:13:45,680 --> 00:13:47,440 going to be very different if they're 99 00:13:47,440 --> 00:13:49,040 concentrated in a certain place or 100 00:13:49,040 --> 00:13:51,920 certain folks get the reap the impacts 101 00:13:51,920 --> 00:13:54,000 of it and some don't. But what we said 102 00:13:54,000 --> 00:13:55,399 found is that it's really 103 00:13:55,399 --> 00:13:57,440 well certain. So that was the first 104 00:13:57,440 --> 00:13:59,360 thing that we found. The next big point 105 00:13:59,360 --> 00:14:01,360 was on the environmental side and what 106 00:14:01,360 --> 00:14:03,440 we did is we looked at these parks and 107 00:14:03,440 --> 00:14:05,360 we said okay what if these parks weren't 108 00:14:05,360 --> 00:14:07,120 here? What would that environmental 109 00:14:07,120 --> 00:14:09,519 impact look like? And kind of the short 110 00:14:09,519 --> 00:14:11,120 of that is that we found more than half 111 00:14:11,120 --> 00:14:14,720 a million dollar in storm water savings 112 00:14:14,720 --> 00:14:16,399 from these parks. And so we were really 113 00:14:16,399 --> 00:14:18,720 excited to see that. Uh the next one was 114 00:14:18,720 --> 00:14:21,040 on property values. We looked at it as 115 00:14:21,040 --> 00:14:23,519 to how these parks actually improve real 116 00:14:23,519 --> 00:14:25,120 estate around parks. 117 00:14:25,120 --> 00:14:28,160 What we found is that each year the 118 00:14:28,160 --> 00:14:30,880 value of being near these parks and from 119 00:14:30,880 --> 00:14:33,120 that the increased property values 120 00:14:33,120 --> 00:14:35,079 resulted in almost 121 00:14:35,079 --> 00:14:38,000 $700,000 in additional taxable revenue 122 00:14:38,000 --> 00:14:40,639 for this connectivity. Um and then the 123 00:14:40,639 --> 00:14:42,800 last thing we looked at is what is the 124 00:14:42,800 --> 00:14:45,519 consumer surplus and what is the uh sort 125 00:14:45,519 --> 00:14:50,079 of input output value of the operations 126 00:14:50,079 --> 00:14:53,040 that are done here and uh you know the 127 00:14:53,040 --> 00:14:54,800 amount of folks that come and spend time 128 00:14:54,800 --> 00:14:58,560 here. So to do that, we use cell phone 129 00:14:58,560 --> 00:15:00,800 data cuz we assume that most folks have 130 00:15:00,800 --> 00:15:03,199 access to cell phones and based on that 131 00:15:03,199 --> 00:15:05,120 we could get a number of the amount of 132 00:15:05,120 --> 00:15:07,760 folks that go to the park, when they go 133 00:15:07,760 --> 00:15:09,279 to the park, where they came to the park 134 00:15:09,279 --> 00:15:11,680 from, and then from that could describe 135 00:15:11,680 --> 00:15:14,399 the value of that park uh visit. And we 136 00:15:14,399 --> 00:15:16,160 did that using a method technology 137 00:15:16,160 --> 00:15:17,680 developed by the US Army Corps of 138 00:15:17,680 --> 00:15:20,720 Engineers. Um, and so again, from all of 139 00:15:20,720 --> 00:15:22,959 those numbers, we came up with almost 140 00:15:22,959 --> 00:15:25,600 $15 million in impact these parks 141 00:15:25,600 --> 00:15:27,360 provide each year for these cities of 142 00:15:27,360 --> 00:15:29,360 Skenctity. So, we're really proud of 143 00:15:29,360 --> 00:15:32,160 that. Yeah, I you know, to so to be 144 00:15:32,160 --> 00:15:34,320 honest with you, it's we've seen studies 145 00:15:34,320 --> 00:15:36,240 like this before that indicated it was a 146 00:15:36,240 --> 00:15:40,480 seven or 8:1 value for uh every $1 147 00:15:40,480 --> 00:15:42,880 invested, there's eight $8 of some sort 148 00:15:42,880 --> 00:15:45,600 of direct, indirect, or induced economic 149 00:15:45,600 --> 00:15:48,160 impact. and the proof is in the pudding. 150 00:15:48,160 --> 00:15:50,560 Uh we're really proud of the report. Um 151 00:15:50,560 --> 00:15:52,079 we're really proud of the work we've 152 00:15:52,079 --> 00:15:53,519 done with the city and the city should 153 00:15:53,519 --> 00:15:56,240 be very proud of it system. Um does 154 00:15:56,240 --> 00:15:58,959 anyone have any questions? 155 00:15:58,959 --> 00:16:02,279 Very proud of our system. 156 00:16:02,279 --> 00:16:05,600 Mr. So you said you use cell phone data. 157 00:16:05,600 --> 00:16:07,279 Yes. In order to Can you tell us a 158 00:16:07,279 --> 00:16:08,160 little bit more about that? Like where 159 00:16:08,160 --> 00:16:09,759 did you get the data from? Yeah. So 160 00:16:09,759 --> 00:16:11,120 that's a great question. So there's a 161 00:16:11,120 --> 00:16:13,240 tool called 162 00:16:13,240 --> 00:16:16,320 Placer AI or excuse me. Um, and that's a 163 00:16:16,320 --> 00:16:19,279 site where they basically work with self 164 00:16:19,279 --> 00:16:21,440 providers and folks like that and they 165 00:16:21,440 --> 00:16:24,320 buy that data in bulk and they anonymize 166 00:16:24,320 --> 00:16:27,040 it and then they allow you to go and see 167 00:16:27,040 --> 00:16:30,160 basically for a specific area how many 168 00:16:30,160 --> 00:16:33,199 folks leave go to that that area where 169 00:16:33,199 --> 00:16:35,040 they went to before, where they went to 170 00:16:35,040 --> 00:16:37,839 after. Um, so it allows us to get really 171 00:16:37,839 --> 00:16:40,160 detailed data about who is it that goes 172 00:16:40,160 --> 00:16:42,240 to these parks, where are they going 173 00:16:42,240 --> 00:16:43,600 before they go to the parks, where are 174 00:16:43,600 --> 00:16:45,519 they going once they leave the park. Um, 175 00:16:45,519 --> 00:16:47,519 and then from there get some really cool 176 00:16:47,519 --> 00:16:50,639 uh valuable insights from that. Now, now 177 00:16:50,639 --> 00:16:53,199 Jackson, we also I believe we got that 178 00:16:53,199 --> 00:16:55,120 from cuz that's what Parks and Trails 179 00:16:55,120 --> 00:16:57,759 New York did as well. So that's Parks 180 00:16:57,759 --> 00:16:59,199 and Trails New York came out with a 181 00:16:59,199 --> 00:17:01,639 study last fall that used similar 182 00:17:01,639 --> 00:17:03,600 methodologies. So we followed that. We 183 00:17:03,600 --> 00:17:05,919 work cell phone. Hey, what was it 184 00:17:05,919 --> 00:17:07,760 called? Uh what what's it called? The 185 00:17:07,760 --> 00:17:10,600 site itself is placer.com. 186 00:17:10,600 --> 00:17:12,880 Placer. Yeah. And that's in the report. 187 00:17:12,880 --> 00:17:15,280 So you go there and check out what 188 00:17:15,280 --> 00:17:17,039 they've got. 189 00:17:17,039 --> 00:17:19,439 No, it's really useful information. I 190 00:17:19,439 --> 00:17:22,559 was surprised that they can compile data 191 00:17:22,559 --> 00:17:25,919 that way, but it's it's almost uh scary 192 00:17:25,919 --> 00:17:28,720 what they can do to be honest with you. 193 00:17:28,720 --> 00:17:31,559 But yeah, the the data here is, you 194 00:17:31,559 --> 00:17:34,320 know, we did a lot of thorough research 195 00:17:34,320 --> 00:17:36,160 as most departments here can tell you 196 00:17:36,160 --> 00:17:38,320 with respect to it. So, we're very 197 00:17:38,320 --> 00:17:40,880 confident in this information and, you 198 00:17:40,880 --> 00:17:42,640 know, if anyone has any questions, feel 199 00:17:42,640 --> 00:17:47,760 free to reach out to us. But, uh, we're very uh very proud of it. Yes, 200 00:17:47,760 --> 00:17:50,559 sir. Um, so my question was on the uh 201 00:17:50,559 --> 00:17:54,320 the counter. Have you recognized any uh 202 00:17:54,320 --> 00:17:57,360 dollars that reductions based on a lack 203 00:17:57,360 --> 00:17:59,720 of maintenance or upgrades to 204 00:17:59,720 --> 00:18:01,840 parks? That's a good question. I don't 205 00:18:01,840 --> 00:18:03,280 know if you want to answer it, but I I 206 00:18:03,280 --> 00:18:05,120 would say, you know, frankly, if you 207 00:18:05,120 --> 00:18:07,520 have stuff that is wellmaintained, it 208 00:18:07,520 --> 00:18:09,919 needs less maintenance and it needs less 209 00:18:09,919 --> 00:18:12,160 replacement. So, I mean, all of those 210 00:18:12,160 --> 00:18:14,320 things are factored in operations and 211 00:18:14,320 --> 00:18:16,000 maintenance, new construction, 212 00:18:16,000 --> 00:18:18,640 replacements, those sorts of things. So, 213 00:18:18,640 --> 00:18:19,919 uh, there's a there's a lot of 214 00:18:19,919 --> 00:18:24,320 references, there's a lot of data, and obviously anyone can reach out to us 215 00:18:24,320 --> 00:18:30,590 with 216 00:18:30,600 --> 00:18:32,200 questions. 217 00:18:32,200 --> 00:18:39,390 Anyone 218 00:18:39,400 --> 00:18:41,600 else? So, uh, could you talk a little 219 00:18:41,600 --> 00:18:43,280 bit more about the income and racial 220 00:18:43,280 --> 00:18:45,039 equity that you talked about and how 221 00:18:45,039 --> 00:18:46,480 that came, you know, how you came up 222 00:18:46,480 --> 00:18:47,919 with the data and exactly what you mean 223 00:18:47,919 --> 00:18:49,360 by that? Sure. Yeah. So, I think that's 224 00:18:49,360 --> 00:18:51,200 a great question. So, what we did is we 225 00:18:51,200 --> 00:18:52,200 looked 226 00:18:52,200 --> 00:18:55,240 at census data. We looked at the 227 00:18:55,240 --> 00:18:58,240 10-minute walk shed. Based on that, we 228 00:18:58,240 --> 00:19:00,000 went down to the block group level and 229 00:19:00,000 --> 00:19:02,320 we looked at places that had an above 230 00:19:02,320 --> 00:19:05,440 average percentage of uh folks of either 231 00:19:05,440 --> 00:19:09,039 low income um of a minority group to 232 00:19:09,039 --> 00:19:12,080 non-white. And um we also looked at 233 00:19:12,080 --> 00:19:13,840 national origin. So that's a little bit 234 00:19:13,840 --> 00:19:15,280 different. I don't need to go into those 235 00:19:15,280 --> 00:19:17,200 distinctions here for you folks, but we 236 00:19:17,200 --> 00:19:18,960 looked at those factors and we looked at 237 00:19:18,960 --> 00:19:22,480 those same factors in places like Albany 238 00:19:22,480 --> 00:19:25,360 um and compared basically what does it 239 00:19:25,360 --> 00:19:26,960 look like down in Albany? What does it 240 00:19:26,960 --> 00:19:30,080 look like here in Skenctity? And from 241 00:19:30,080 --> 00:19:32,679 those factors, we can look that say 242 00:19:32,679 --> 00:19:35,600 Skcti is doing a lot better job because 243 00:19:35,600 --> 00:19:37,679 of the distribution here of folks within 244 00:19:37,679 --> 00:19:40,320 that 10-minute walk shed compared to 245 00:19:40,320 --> 00:19:42,720 places like Albany. And one one thing I 246 00:19:42,720 --> 00:19:44,160 would add to it is that we do have 247 00:19:44,160 --> 00:19:46,960 graphics that show the parks layout with 248 00:19:46,960 --> 00:19:49,280 respect to the city. So you can see the 249 00:19:49,280 --> 00:19:51,280 walkability and stuff. And it's also 250 00:19:51,280 --> 00:19:53,679 interesting because with the park areas, 251 00:19:53,679 --> 00:19:56,080 you can see the areas that have heat 252 00:19:56,080 --> 00:19:58,559 islands and and and green islands and 253 00:19:58,559 --> 00:20:00,000 those sorts of things to where there's 254 00:20:00,000 --> 00:20:02,120 real te temperature 255 00:20:02,120 --> 00:20:04,080 discrepancies. And there's also one 256 00:20:04,080 --> 00:20:06,000 point I didn't uh speak to there, which 257 00:20:06,000 --> 00:20:08,559 is also we looked at which is the access 258 00:20:08,559 --> 00:20:10,480 for folks that don't have cars. We 259 00:20:10,480 --> 00:20:13,039 looked at the access by public transit 260 00:20:13,039 --> 00:20:15,280 to the parks as well. Um and looked at 261 00:20:15,280 --> 00:20:16,960 those stats and again compared those as 262 00:20:16,960 --> 00:20:19,840 well to peers like Albany. Yeah. And and 263 00:20:19,840 --> 00:20:21,760 one thing I would say is that the you 264 00:20:21,760 --> 00:20:24,240 know the municipal golf course is a real 265 00:20:24,240 --> 00:20:26,000 asset to the community because it adds 266 00:20:26,000 --> 00:20:28,320 so much to the other programs that are 267 00:20:28,320 --> 00:20:30,159 out there. There's not a lot of 268 00:20:30,159 --> 00:20:32,320 municipal golf courses that that 269 00:20:32,320 --> 00:20:34,400 generate a regular profit the way they 270 00:20:34,400 --> 00:20:36,720 do here and it's a credit to the entire 271 00:20:36,720 --> 00:20:38,559 staff. 272 00:20:38,559 --> 00:20:40,280 Yes. 273 00:20:40,280 --> 00:20:44,320 Oh, so overall you said you no problem. 274 00:20:44,320 --> 00:20:46,640 There's so you say your report says 275 00:20:46,640 --> 00:20:48,880 there's over more than 14.8 8 million in 276 00:20:48,880 --> 00:20:51,200 economic value annually based on this 277 00:20:51,200 --> 00:20:54,870 plan. Yep. 278 00:20:54,880 --> 00:20:56,880 So that really is broken down and I 279 00:20:56,880 --> 00:20:59,280 don't have the numbers. Go to the head. 280 00:20:59,280 --> 00:21:01,360 There's actually a there's a breakdown 281 00:21:01,360 --> 00:21:03,039 of those and it really is across those 282 00:21:03,039 --> 00:21:04,880 four factors here. the environmental, 283 00:21:04,880 --> 00:21:07,120 the economic. Um, but if you go to the 284 00:21:07,120 --> 00:21:09,760 back end, there's a a little Excel sheet 285 00:21:09,760 --> 00:21:13,080 that shows you and 286 00:21:13,080 --> 00:21:18,510 I'm feel 287 00:21:18,520 --> 00:21:22,080 free for the question. No, this one 288 00:21:22,080 --> 00:21:23,360 right here. So, this is the breakdown 289 00:21:23,360 --> 00:21:25,520 and then from there we break down where 290 00:21:25,520 --> 00:21:27,440 we actually come to those different 291 00:21:27,440 --> 00:21:29,280 factors, the different breakdown of the 292 00:21:29,280 --> 00:21:31,520 values. Um, so one of the big things 293 00:21:31,520 --> 00:21:33,200 you'll see is of course the value from 294 00:21:33,200 --> 00:21:34,880 folks that come here that spend time 295 00:21:34,880 --> 00:21:37,840 here that visit hotels and then shop at 296 00:21:37,840 --> 00:21:40,640 restaurants and eat park as well. We'll 297 00:21:40,640 --> 00:21:42,559 see that we speak about that. If there's 298 00:21:42,559 --> 00:21:43,840 any specific questions, like I said, 299 00:21:43,840 --> 00:21:45,919 glad to go more in depth. I do have one 300 00:21:45,919 --> 00:21:47,360 now that I see the breakdown. So you're 301 00:21:47,360 --> 00:21:49,760 saying over more than 9 million of this 302 00:21:49,760 --> 00:21:53,679 Yes. is in visitor and tourism. Yes. 303 00:21:53,679 --> 00:21:56,640 To our parks. Yes. And that means so 304 00:21:56,640 --> 00:21:58,559 folks that are going to the parks from 305 00:21:58,559 --> 00:22:02,760 spending time at USA Mona's 306 00:22:02,760 --> 00:22:07,919 um of course baseball tournaments Mona's 307 00:22:07,919 --> 00:22:09,799 um excuse 308 00:22:09,799 --> 00:22:13,280 me yes all of the value from that and 309 00:22:13,280 --> 00:22:15,200 the value that provides to vendors and 310 00:22:15,200 --> 00:22:17,039 of course folks that live there too. So, 311 00:22:17,039 --> 00:22:18,960 when we say that, that does, I believe, 312 00:22:18,960 --> 00:22:21,679 also include the consumer surplus that 313 00:22:21,679 --> 00:22:22,960 folks have from being able to go to 314 00:22:22,960 --> 00:22:26,240 something like music haven for free um 315 00:22:26,240 --> 00:22:28,320 as well as the increased uh income that 316 00:22:28,320 --> 00:22:30,960 comes to the vendors from being able to 317 00:22:30,960 --> 00:22:35,840 access that market there. Yeah. The one nice thing the uh Central Park 318 00:22:35,840 --> 00:22:37,600 does in particular is it has so many 319 00:22:37,600 --> 00:22:39,760 different types of events that brings 320 00:22:39,760 --> 00:22:42,000 the community. So, it's just not one 321 00:22:42,000 --> 00:22:44,000 sort of thing. It's not just disc golf. 322 00:22:44,000 --> 00:22:45,919 There's a lot of folks coming in for the 323 00:22:45,919 --> 00:22:47,440 baseball tournaments. There's a lot of 324 00:22:47,440 --> 00:22:49,200 folks for the various festivals. There's 325 00:22:49,200 --> 00:22:51,440 a lot of people for the road races, all 326 00:22:51,440 --> 00:22:54,000 sorts of things. So, the programming for 327 00:22:54,000 --> 00:22:56,960 it should be commended and it's really a 328 00:22:56,960 --> 00:22:59,679 great asset to the city. So, in this $9 329 00:22:59,679 --> 00:23:01,679 million, is it included any hotels? Has 330 00:23:01,679 --> 00:23:02,960 it included those kind of other 331 00:23:02,960 --> 00:23:06,320 amenities? Exactly. Yes. So, the the 332 00:23:06,320 --> 00:23:08,080 spending that is induced from say 333 00:23:08,080 --> 00:23:09,600 someone goes to a baseball game and they 334 00:23:09,600 --> 00:23:11,120 have to bring their family. So they're 335 00:23:11,120 --> 00:23:13,120 going to go stay at a hotel. They're 336 00:23:13,120 --> 00:23:15,200 going to probably spend at a restaurant. 337 00:23:15,200 --> 00:23:17,120 And so all of that spending we include 338 00:23:17,120 --> 00:23:19,200 here because but for it being in that 339 00:23:19,200 --> 00:23:21,039 park, you know, who's to say it wouldn't 340 00:23:21,039 --> 00:23:23,440 be somewhere else, right? Um so that's 341 00:23:23,440 --> 00:23:25,760 really what we look in that figure too. 342 00:23:25,760 --> 00:23:29,760 Okay. Thank you. Is your hand moving? 343 00:23:29,760 --> 00:23:33,760 No. Okay. Are there any other questions? 344 00:23:33,760 --> 00:23:35,159 All 345 00:23:35,159 --> 00:23:37,520 right. Appreciate it. Thank you. Thank 346 00:23:37,520 --> 00:23:40,630 you. 347 00:23:40,640 --> 00:23:44,630 Yes. Thank you. 348 00:23:44,640 --> 00:23:48,799 Okay. Uh so next conversation on current 349 00:23:48,799 --> 00:24:04,730 findings. 350 00:24:04,740 --> 00:24:10,149 [Music] 351 00:24:10,159 --> 00:24:12,799 So, I prepared a speed report uh for the 352 00:24:12,799 --> 00:24:15,120 month of March to go over. Just want to 353 00:24:15,120 --> 00:24:16,480 make sure everyone knows kind of what 354 00:24:16,480 --> 00:24:18,960 I'm getting at as far as uh what you're 355 00:24:18,960 --> 00:24:21,360 looking at here. Start with a legend off 356 00:24:21,360 --> 00:24:23,600 to the left. Uh starts with blue under 357 00:24:23,600 --> 00:24:26,880 20, then goes up to green, yellow, red, 358 00:24:26,880 --> 00:24:28,640 uh which is a darker shade of red after 359 00:24:28,640 --> 00:24:31,919 it's over 40 there. And each node, each 360 00:24:31,919 --> 00:24:35,039 uh UB hub that records data there spits 361 00:24:35,039 --> 00:24:37,679 out two numbers for the month uh one in 362 00:24:37,679 --> 00:24:40,080 each direction. And that is the 85th 363 00:24:40,080 --> 00:24:42,000 percentile speed that drivers are 364 00:24:42,000 --> 00:24:44,279 traveling at. So that's done 365 00:24:44,279 --> 00:24:47,039 to eliminate any outliers such as 366 00:24:47,039 --> 00:24:48,799 emergency vehicles that may skew data. 367 00:24:48,799 --> 00:24:50,799 Gives you a real-time view as to how 368 00:24:50,799 --> 00:25:03,430 people are actually driving. 369 00:25:03,440 --> 00:25:05,200 All right. Just want to give everyone a 370 00:25:05,200 --> 00:25:09,200 nice look at Belleview, Mount Pleasant, 371 00:25:09,200 --> 00:25:11,840 Central State, and Woodlon. Uh we do 372 00:25:11,840 --> 00:25:15,120 have some stretches that we monitor. Uh 373 00:25:15,120 --> 00:25:18,880 Hamburg is one you see right there that 374 00:25:18,880 --> 00:25:21,919 we're working on. Uh compliance there. 375 00:25:21,919 --> 00:25:24,400 Watt Street right next to it kind of 376 00:25:24,400 --> 00:25:26,320 makes that S-curve. That's one we're 377 00:25:26,320 --> 00:25:29,840 taking a look at. Um into McDonald also 378 00:25:29,840 --> 00:25:33,120 Clayton Road right over there. That's an 379 00:25:33,120 --> 00:25:35,279 issue that we're trying to clean up here 380 00:25:35,279 --> 00:25:38,320 as as the uh enforcement really picks 381 00:25:38,320 --> 00:25:40,960 up. But uh Norwood Avenue is something 382 00:25:40,960 --> 00:25:43,520 that I showed improvement on. That is 383 00:25:43,520 --> 00:25:47,360 the stretch just above Alimont. Um 384 00:25:47,360 --> 00:25:50,159 believe this node right here was red on 385 00:25:50,159 --> 00:25:52,799 February's report. So, we've got one 386 00:25:52,799 --> 00:25:56,400 improvement, but um I don't want that to 387 00:25:56,400 --> 00:25:58,720 uh skew anything as far as it's only 388 00:25:58,720 --> 00:26:01,600 March. We got this started in March. Um 389 00:26:01,600 --> 00:26:03,440 it was even a discretionary roll out 390 00:26:03,440 --> 00:26:06,799 from TD as far as ticketing goes. So, um 391 00:26:06,799 --> 00:26:08,880 we'll hope that there's increased 392 00:26:08,880 --> 00:26:16,590 compliance going forward. want to pan up 393 00:26:16,600 --> 00:26:20,080 here to north side and upper Union 394 00:26:20,080 --> 00:26:23,200 Street. Um, Rosa Road is another one 395 00:26:23,200 --> 00:26:25,120 that we're monitoring there. That one 396 00:26:25,120 --> 00:26:27,440 over into the 40s. And then, um, one 397 00:26:27,440 --> 00:26:30,000 that I want to add is Belmont, which has 398 00:26:30,000 --> 00:26:32,400 popped up as of recently. That yellow 399 00:26:32,400 --> 00:26:34,640 node uh, kind of going parallel with 400 00:26:34,640 --> 00:26:36,799 Wyoming Avenue there. That is another 401 00:26:36,799 --> 00:26:39,880 one that we'd like to uh key in on. 402 00:26:39,880 --> 00:26:43,600 But this is uh I feel like a little more 403 00:26:43,600 --> 00:26:45,919 compliant to our speed compared to 404 00:26:45,919 --> 00:26:47,440 February. So I'd say it's going in the 405 00:26:47,440 --> 00:26:49,279 right direction. Only hoping not to 406 00:26:49,279 --> 00:26:52,880 improve as uh like I alluded to with PD 407 00:26:52,880 --> 00:26:55,679 uh issuing tickets uh without discretion 408 00:26:55,679 --> 00:26:59,320 going into April here. Okay. 409 00:26:59,320 --> 00:27:03,760 Um more that's it. So, um, one question 410 00:27:03,760 --> 00:27:05,679 is we hear a lot of a lot from Kings 411 00:27:05,679 --> 00:27:07,279 Road. Did you is there any I didn't see 412 00:27:07,279 --> 00:27:09,520 any or hear any data. Kings Road does 413 00:27:09,520 --> 00:27:12,960 did not uh make the list as far as 414 00:27:12,960 --> 00:27:15,440 streets to monitor. I monitor them every 415 00:27:15,440 --> 00:27:18,080 month or going back 8 n months. So, has 416 00:27:18,080 --> 00:27:20,080 it popped up? It has not popped up. And 417 00:27:20,080 --> 00:27:22,080 how does it pop up? How does that 418 00:27:22,080 --> 00:27:24,320 determine if it if you got like a row of 419 00:27:24,320 --> 00:27:25,919 road situation there where you got 420 00:27:25,919 --> 00:27:26,840 multiple 421 00:27:26,840 --> 00:27:33,029 reds kings? 422 00:27:33,039 --> 00:27:34,240 Okay. Can you tell me how the reds 423 00:27:34,240 --> 00:27:35,840 actually get there? Because, you know, 424 00:27:35,840 --> 00:27:38,960 we're hearing from Kro that they are red 425 00:27:38,960 --> 00:27:41,440 um or some color. So, can you tell me 426 00:27:41,440 --> 00:27:44,159 how it actually turned cuz I was and red 427 00:27:44,159 --> 00:27:46,960 was the red and darker red. Yeah, you 428 00:27:46,960 --> 00:27:48,880 got a darker red that goes over there. 429 00:27:48,880 --> 00:27:52,720 So, it's the UV hub getting the clear uh 430 00:27:52,720 --> 00:27:54,960 speed of the car going by it. And like I 431 00:27:54,960 --> 00:27:56,559 said, this is the 85th percentile of 432 00:27:56,559 --> 00:27:58,399 speed. So removing any outliers that 433 00:27:58,399 --> 00:28:00,480 would be caused by emergency vehicles. 434 00:28:00,480 --> 00:28:03,600 So it's a real feel for the drivers as 435 00:28:03,600 --> 00:28:07,919 they're commuting going about the city. 436 00:28:07,919 --> 00:28:10,080 Any questions? 437 00:28:10,080 --> 00:28:12,640 Mr. Williams, are you able to speak to 438 00:28:12,640 --> 00:28:14,640 comparatively to other municipalities? I 439 00:28:14,640 --> 00:28:16,640 know you're looking specifically at I 440 00:28:16,640 --> 00:28:18,000 think as we look at certain issues 441 00:28:18,000 --> 00:28:19,360 within the city, people think that 442 00:28:19,360 --> 00:28:21,440 they're unique to our city where that's 443 00:28:21,440 --> 00:28:23,520 why we're experiencing the same issues 444 00:28:23,520 --> 00:28:25,520 other municipalities are dealing with. I 445 00:28:25,520 --> 00:28:26,960 have not taken this and compared it to 446 00:28:26,960 --> 00:28:28,840 say an Albany or a Troy, but that is 447 00:28:28,840 --> 00:28:31,360 something open to do. Absolutely. Thank 448 00:28:31,360 --> 00:28:36,470 you. 449 00:28:36,480 --> 00:28:38,000 Should be noted there's I don't think 450 00:28:38,000 --> 00:28:39,760 any other city in the capital district 451 00:28:39,760 --> 00:28:42,880 has this level of analytic data 452 00:28:42,880 --> 00:28:45,760 available to them. There are some other 453 00:28:45,760 --> 00:28:47,679 cities across the country, but none are 454 00:28:47,679 --> 00:28:52,549 as far advanced as connected. 455 00:28:52,559 --> 00:28:53,559 Any other 456 00:28:53,559 --> 00:29:01,389 questions? Thank you, Mr. 457 00:29:01,399 --> 00:29:05,120 K. So, um, we're going to have to start 458 00:29:05,120 --> 00:29:06,960 our committees now. And as you can see, 459 00:29:06,960 --> 00:29:11,200 we have a very long agenda. So, look, 460 00:29:11,200 --> 00:29:13,120 Mr. Les. So, I'd like to call up the 461 00:29:13,120 --> 00:29:14,559 board of the public safety committee. We 462 00:29:14,559 --> 00:29:16,399 have three items on the agenda tonight. 463 00:29:16,399 --> 00:29:18,640 First of which is the STR grant, and 464 00:29:18,640 --> 00:29:21,799 that'll be presented by Mr. Chief 465 00:29:21,799 --> 00:29:31,510 Clicker AC. 466 00:29:31,520 --> 00:29:32,919 Good evening. Thank 467 00:29:32,919 --> 00:29:35,120 you. One or two people. I got to take my 468 00:29:35,120 --> 00:29:37,549 glasses 469 00:29:37,559 --> 00:29:40,640 off. Okay. So, so I come before you 470 00:29:40,640 --> 00:29:43,360 tonight. Thank you for your time um to 471 00:29:43,360 --> 00:29:46,000 ask for you to accept a grant that we 472 00:29:46,000 --> 00:29:47,559 are receiving from the 473 00:29:47,559 --> 00:29:49,840 state. Some background information. and 474 00:29:49,840 --> 00:29:52,159 Governor Kathy Hokll allocated $23 475 00:29:52,159 --> 00:29:54,399 million to equip law enforcement, 476 00:29:54,399 --> 00:29:55,840 district attorneys, domestic violence 477 00:29:55,840 --> 00:29:58,000 service providers, and other partners, 478 00:29:58,000 --> 00:29:59,840 partnering agencies with the necessary 479 00:29:59,840 --> 00:30:01,440 funding, guidance, and training to 480 00:30:01,440 --> 00:30:03,840 effectively respond to, mitigate, and 481 00:30:03,840 --> 00:30:05,600 prosecute intimate partner violence 482 00:30:05,600 --> 00:30:07,600 through evidence-based, survivor 483 00:30:07,600 --> 00:30:08,960 centered, trauma-informed, and 484 00:30:08,960 --> 00:30:12,240 culturally responsive interventions. 485 00:30:12,240 --> 00:30:14,799 Uh, as a county, we are eligible to 486 00:30:14,799 --> 00:30:19,310 receive an award of 487 00:30:19,320 --> 00:30:22,640 1,177,640,000 from DCJS that starts 488 00:30:22,640 --> 00:30:25,279 retroactive to April 1st of this year 489 00:30:25,279 --> 00:30:28,679 and runs to March 31st of 490 00:30:28,679 --> 00:30:32,480 2026. I sit on the panel of uh of 491 00:30:32,480 --> 00:30:35,039 dividing the money up. We all agreed to 492 00:30:35,039 --> 00:30:38,880 give the the lion share to the YWCA as 493 00:30:38,880 --> 00:30:42,399 our partner agency for Skenctity's part, 494 00:30:42,399 --> 00:30:44,880 the Sket Police Department's part. We 495 00:30:44,880 --> 00:30:48,360 will be receiving with your approval 496 00:30:48,360 --> 00:30:53,149 $35,000 and 497 00:30:53,159 --> 00:30:56,720 $35,718. and we look to spend that on 498 00:30:56,720 --> 00:30:59,520 funding two dedicated detectives 499 00:30:59,520 --> 00:31:02,559 dedicated to domestic violence, a 500 00:31:02,559 --> 00:31:05,600 half-time crime analyst and also some 501 00:31:05,600 --> 00:31:08,399 overtime funding and uh reimbursement 502 00:31:08,399 --> 00:31:10,120 for cellular 503 00:31:10,120 --> 00:31:11,720 phones. 504 00:31:11,720 --> 00:31:13,240 Uh 505 00:31:13,240 --> 00:31:15,919 one one position would need to be added 506 00:31:15,919 --> 00:31:18,320 to our budget. We currently have a 507 00:31:18,320 --> 00:31:21,360 dedicated detective that we that would 508 00:31:21,360 --> 00:31:24,399 now become fully funded on the salary 509 00:31:24,399 --> 00:31:29,880 line. Uh and the city would absorb the benefit line because she's a current 510 00:31:29,880 --> 00:31:32,000 employee. This new addition will be 511 00:31:32,000 --> 00:31:34,520 fully funded for salary and 512 00:31:34,520 --> 00:31:37,120 benefits. And for the crime analyst, 513 00:31:37,120 --> 00:31:40,000 again, this is also a current employee 514 00:31:40,000 --> 00:31:41,600 who's been attached to the crime 515 00:31:41,600 --> 00:31:44,080 analysis center in Albany. And it's the 516 00:31:44,080 --> 00:31:45,519 model that we're building is to have 517 00:31:45,519 --> 00:31:47,679 that person embedded there. So we 518 00:31:47,679 --> 00:31:49,840 believe that we can get the job done 519 00:31:49,840 --> 00:31:51,679 with her working halftime on this 520 00:31:51,679 --> 00:31:54,399 project in collaboration with Albany 521 00:31:54,399 --> 00:31:56,240 Police Department and other ones in the 522 00:31:56,240 --> 00:31:59,360 capital region and we would be refund we 523 00:31:59,360 --> 00:32:02,320 would basically uh receive half of her 524 00:32:02,320 --> 00:32:05,840 salary as reimbursement through this. Um 525 00:32:05,840 --> 00:32:07,279 but we would be paying the other half 526 00:32:07,279 --> 00:32:10,480 plus full benefits for her. 527 00:32:10,480 --> 00:32:12,720 So the uh the recommendation the request 528 00:32:12,720 --> 00:32:15,360 is that we accept this strive grant and 529 00:32:15,360 --> 00:32:16,559 be allowed to increase our 530 00:32:16,559 --> 00:32:18,320 departmental's total budgeted officer 531 00:32:18,320 --> 00:32:21,559 count from 167 to 532 00:32:21,559 --> 00:32:25,679 168. Any questions or comments? So 533 00:32:25,679 --> 00:32:28,640 county is eligible. Is that due to the 534 00:32:28,640 --> 00:32:31,679 number of domestic incidents reported? 535 00:32:31,679 --> 00:32:33,519 Why would we annual why we're It is. It 536 00:32:33,519 --> 00:32:34,720 is. We're one of the highest in the 537 00:32:34,720 --> 00:32:39,919 state. uh our numbers um as a city um 538 00:32:39,919 --> 00:32:42,480 right now the only part one crime that 539 00:32:42,480 --> 00:32:44,559 we see going up is assaults and they're 540 00:32:44,559 --> 00:32:49,590 mostly driven by domestics. 541 00:32:49,600 --> 00:32:51,760 So um you said that these are current 542 00:32:51,760 --> 00:32:54,320 all current employees all with the 543 00:32:54,320 --> 00:32:56,399 exception of one which we would which we 544 00:32:56,399 --> 00:32:58,320 would then need to backfill. We would 545 00:32:58,320 --> 00:33:00,320 hire. Okay. We would hire and so going 546 00:33:00,320 --> 00:33:02,880 forward that that's something we have to 547 00:33:02,880 --> 00:33:05,519 budget for the correct after this grant 548 00:33:05,519 --> 00:33:08,320 is over. Okay. Correct. And so um well 549 00:33:08,320 --> 00:33:11,039 but that being said um I'm told that 550 00:33:11,039 --> 00:33:12,720 very similar to the gift grant they 551 00:33:12,720 --> 00:33:14,159 don't expect this grant to go away 552 00:33:14,159 --> 00:33:16,240 anytime soon. Oh okay. So it may be 553 00:33:16,240 --> 00:33:19,200 funded into the future. Thank you. So 554 00:33:19,200 --> 00:33:20,960 for for an employee that's currently 555 00:33:20,960 --> 00:33:22,960 there you said that um half of the 556 00:33:22,960 --> 00:33:25,519 salary would come out of this. Correct. 557 00:33:25,519 --> 00:33:27,760 And okay. So if that employee is already 558 00:33:27,760 --> 00:33:29,840 budgeted, does that mean how's what's 559 00:33:29,840 --> 00:33:31,039 going to be the impact on what we 560 00:33:31,039 --> 00:33:32,960 already budgeted for that person? And if 561 00:33:32,960 --> 00:33:34,880 that person says part of this grant is 562 00:33:34,880 --> 00:33:36,159 now going to pay their salary, how does 563 00:33:36,159 --> 00:33:38,159 that impact the current budget? The the 564 00:33:38,159 --> 00:33:39,919 net result is we will increase our 565 00:33:39,919 --> 00:33:41,640 revenue line by 566 00:33:41,640 --> 00:33:47,430 116,48 for this calendar year. 567 00:33:47,440 --> 00:33:50,480 What was my question, Mr. Carly? So this 568 00:33:50,480 --> 00:33:52,159 sounds like pretty good stuff. Number 569 00:33:52,159 --> 00:33:54,799 one, chief, my question is you said that 570 00:33:54,799 --> 00:33:57,440 you decided after being on your panel to 571 00:33:57,440 --> 00:33:58,880 kind of get the lion share, I think it's 572 00:33:58,880 --> 00:34:01,200 a term you used to say. Could you talk a 573 00:34:01,200 --> 00:34:02,960 little bit about why you decided that 574 00:34:02,960 --> 00:34:04,960 the investment would be better at that 575 00:34:04,960 --> 00:34:07,519 end or more impactful if you will? Sure. 576 00:34:07,519 --> 00:34:13,440 Um, you know, we all agreed that the the YWCA they are the specialists in 577 00:34:13,440 --> 00:34:15,440 this line of work and we really wanted 578 00:34:15,440 --> 00:34:18,480 to position them with funding which 579 00:34:18,480 --> 00:34:22,399 they've for years lacked in order to um 580 00:34:22,399 --> 00:34:24,879 to staff with with with some 581 00:34:24,879 --> 00:34:26,399 specialists. So they have some victim 582 00:34:26,399 --> 00:34:28,399 specialists. this is really victim 583 00:34:28,399 --> 00:34:30,960 centered um to to get them to cooperate 584 00:34:30,960 --> 00:34:33,280 more against the offenders and and and 585 00:34:33,280 --> 00:34:36,320 to seek help sooner than later um to get 586 00:34:36,320 --> 00:34:38,320 out of the situation that they're in. Um 587 00:34:38,320 --> 00:34:40,399 they will be hiring the coordinator for 588 00:34:40,399 --> 00:34:43,040 this project. Um and then they will also 589 00:34:43,040 --> 00:34:46,079 be subsidizing some some of the um some 590 00:34:46,079 --> 00:34:48,159 of the other staff members to put this 591 00:34:48,159 --> 00:34:50,720 program on. But you know they they are 592 00:34:50,720 --> 00:34:53,200 also buying some equipment to help help 593 00:34:53,200 --> 00:34:54,720 the victims and to monitor some 594 00:34:54,720 --> 00:34:56,879 offenders through probation. probation 595 00:34:56,879 --> 00:34:59,280 is another partner of ours in this. Um, 596 00:34:59,280 --> 00:35:01,359 so that that's why we we agreed and when 597 00:35:01,359 --> 00:35:02,800 I say the lion share, they got the most, 598 00:35:02,800 --> 00:35:05,520 not the lion share, they got 364,000. 599 00:35:05,520 --> 00:35:07,520 They just they were the we agreed that 600 00:35:07,520 --> 00:35:09,839 we needed to give give them serious 601 00:35:09,839 --> 00:35:13,160 consideration on funding them as best we 602 00:35:13,160 --> 00:35:17,310 could. Any other questions or 603 00:35:17,320 --> 00:35:19,800 comments? Patrick, please. 604 00:35:19,800 --> 00:35:23,599 No, you are you deferring to me. Um, I 605 00:35:23,599 --> 00:35:25,440 just want to say I mean I'm really um 606 00:35:25,440 --> 00:35:27,599 impressed with the staffing levels. Um, 607 00:35:27,599 --> 00:35:29,680 especially I know the work that the YW 608 00:35:29,680 --> 00:35:31,839 does in this in this arena and I was 609 00:35:31,839 --> 00:35:34,079 thrilled to see you know all the various 610 00:35:34,079 --> 00:35:36,320 positions at the Y that will benefit 611 00:35:36,320 --> 00:35:39,680 from this. So um I think it's great. Um 612 00:35:39,680 --> 00:35:42,400 but also you know too bad that we have 613 00:35:42,400 --> 00:35:44,560 to do it but um thank you for getting 614 00:35:44,560 --> 00:35:47,040 the grant. Yeah, I will give a lot of 615 00:35:47,040 --> 00:35:49,920 credit to the to the YW.CA for for 616 00:35:49,920 --> 00:35:51,680 years. we've been doing a lot of the 617 00:35:51,680 --> 00:35:53,520 work that that's not built into this 618 00:35:53,520 --> 00:35:56,560 grant. So, if you will, we we're a model 619 00:35:56,560 --> 00:35:59,440 um of to help develop this grant. Um but 620 00:35:59,440 --> 00:36:01,760 it's the work still hasn't been enough, 621 00:36:01,760 --> 00:36:03,960 which is why we decided to add a second 622 00:36:03,960 --> 00:36:05,839 investigator so that we can start 623 00:36:05,839 --> 00:36:07,760 investigating the more minor offenses 624 00:36:07,760 --> 00:36:09,640 that are now not being 625 00:36:09,640 --> 00:36:11,280 investigated because they're not a 626 00:36:11,280 --> 00:36:13,440 felony level. So, we are we are adding 627 00:36:13,440 --> 00:36:15,920 some things to this grant that that are 628 00:36:15,920 --> 00:36:22,240 going to allow us to hopefully uh see a change in those numbers. 629 00:36:22,240 --> 00:36:25,200 Um yeah, um chief, well, I have here a 630 00:36:25,200 --> 00:36:28,160 little separate issue um regarding the 631 00:36:28,160 --> 00:36:30,800 recent arrest and raids by the Skenctity 632 00:36:30,800 --> 00:36:33,359 Police Department. Um that's brought 633 00:36:33,359 --> 00:36:35,760 renewed attention to the issue of 634 00:36:35,760 --> 00:36:38,560 illegal cannabis sales here in the city. 635 00:36:38,560 --> 00:36:41,040 Um just wanted to know if there's any 636 00:36:41,040 --> 00:36:45,280 action us as a city council can take. Um 637 00:36:45,280 --> 00:36:47,119 first of all uh to address the 638 00:36:47,119 --> 00:36:49,359 properties where these illegal sales are 639 00:36:49,359 --> 00:36:53,440 being held. Um and uh secondly uh what 640 00:36:53,440 --> 00:36:55,440 action can we take against the property 641 00:36:55,440 --> 00:36:58,880 owners who are allowing these sales uh 642 00:36:58,880 --> 00:37:02,640 on operations on the properties? 643 00:37:02,640 --> 00:37:04,640 Sure. Um you know so that's that's 644 00:37:04,640 --> 00:37:05,920 something that you know we've been 645 00:37:05,920 --> 00:37:08,320 working on for a while now um for some 646 00:37:08,320 --> 00:37:10,960 years and uh we've been in discussions 647 00:37:10,960 --> 00:37:12,960 uh really for for the last few months 648 00:37:12,960 --> 00:37:14,560 with our corporation council with the 649 00:37:14,560 --> 00:37:17,520 mayor's office with code enforcement and 650 00:37:17,520 --> 00:37:19,680 uh you know I I would think that we will 651 00:37:19,680 --> 00:37:23,200 be coming back to the council soon with some requests once we uh could do 652 00:37:23,200 --> 00:37:25,599 our homework on this but there's uh to 653 00:37:25,599 --> 00:37:26,960 your point I think there's a lot that 654 00:37:26,960 --> 00:37:29,119 needs to be done with these properties 655 00:37:29,119 --> 00:37:31,119 um because uh you know what happened 656 00:37:31,119 --> 00:37:33,440 last week uh should not be acceptable to 657 00:37:33,440 --> 00:37:35,920 anybody in our community. Uh, thank you. 658 00:37:35,920 --> 00:37:37,760 So, I I'd like to I'm going to be 659 00:37:37,760 --> 00:37:41,119 putting a legislative request in um 660 00:37:41,119 --> 00:37:43,119 regarding this to see what what we can 661 00:37:43,119 --> 00:37:46,079 do as a council uh for our April 21st 662 00:37:46,079 --> 00:37:48,400 meeting. So, we'd like to make that. 663 00:37:48,400 --> 00:37:51,920 Yeah. Appreciate that. Thank you, Mr. 664 00:37:51,920 --> 00:37:54,359 So, this question 665 00:37:54,359 --> 00:37:56,800 um knowing that the Y does a lot of 666 00:37:56,800 --> 00:37:58,079 great work around this. I know that 667 00:37:58,079 --> 00:37:59,920 there's a lot of community agencies and 668 00:37:59,920 --> 00:38:01,200 you know a lot of protective factors 669 00:38:01,200 --> 00:38:03,200 here in our community. I'm just curious 670 00:38:03,200 --> 00:38:05,760 as do why do you think that we were so 671 00:38:05,760 --> 00:38:10,640 high um as the you know pretty close to 672 00:38:10,640 --> 00:38:12,079 top in the state like what do you know 673 00:38:12,079 --> 00:38:14,079 like what are the contributing factors 674 00:38:14,079 --> 00:38:15,359 to that? Like what do you think that 675 00:38:15,359 --> 00:38:17,680 those are? 676 00:38:17,680 --> 00:38:18,720 You know that's a question that we've 677 00:38:18,720 --> 00:38:20,240 been trying to ask for a while. Our 678 00:38:20,240 --> 00:38:21,920 district attorney kind of you know he 679 00:38:21,920 --> 00:38:24,000 feels that's the density of our county. 680 00:38:24,000 --> 00:38:25,839 we our population is pretty dense for 681 00:38:25,839 --> 00:38:27,440 the size of our county because it it's a 682 00:38:27,440 --> 00:38:31,119 per capita uh criteria that they use. So 683 00:38:31,119 --> 00:38:33,119 he feels that you know the the the 684 00:38:33,119 --> 00:38:34,720 density of our county could be one of 685 00:38:34,720 --> 00:38:37,599 the reasons and you know other than that 686 00:38:37,599 --> 00:38:39,280 we're trying to figure it out. You know 687 00:38:39,280 --> 00:38:43,280 we're we you know the domestic violence 688 00:38:43,280 --> 00:38:45,920 is is is very tricky to try to be 689 00:38:45,920 --> 00:38:48,320 proactive to stop and it's really almost 690 00:38:48,320 --> 00:38:50,800 impossible to proactively stop. the only 691 00:38:50,800 --> 00:38:53,280 way we can we can address it is on that 692 00:38:53,280 --> 00:38:55,200 first phone call we get and then you 693 00:38:55,200 --> 00:38:57,040 know through education and things like 694 00:38:57,040 --> 00:39:00,640 that one thing I would think just having 695 00:39:00,640 --> 00:39:03,119 a thought around this I don't know if 696 00:39:03,119 --> 00:39:05,359 it's maybe if it is finance that would 697 00:39:05,359 --> 00:39:07,520 be the the right partner with that uh 698 00:39:07,520 --> 00:39:09,400 Mr. mayor, but 699 00:39:09,400 --> 00:39:12,320 I have a limited scope around 700 00:39:12,320 --> 00:39:13,920 understanding this, but I know that 701 00:39:13,920 --> 00:39:16,160 there's there were some connections made 702 00:39:16,160 --> 00:39:18,640 between like the economic health of the 703 00:39:18,640 --> 00:39:22,720 city um and far as like uh employment 704 00:39:22,720 --> 00:39:25,680 things of that nature that have shown to 705 00:39:25,680 --> 00:39:27,520 impact and this is like I'm just pulling 706 00:39:27,520 --> 00:39:29,440 this off of memory, but just thinking 707 00:39:29,440 --> 00:39:30,440 about like 708 00:39:30,440 --> 00:39:32,800 how those things are contributing 709 00:39:32,800 --> 00:39:34,960 factors. Um and I think this might be 710 00:39:34,960 --> 00:39:36,240 more on the national scale, but I'm sure 711 00:39:36,240 --> 00:39:38,560 it might be true here. So maybe looking 712 00:39:38,560 --> 00:39:40,320 into that maybe that's something that 713 00:39:40,320 --> 00:39:42,079 how another way that we could even 714 00:39:42,079 --> 00:39:44,560 assist with this is like maybe looking 715 00:39:44,560 --> 00:39:47,040 at both those data sets and seeing where 716 00:39:47,040 --> 00:39:49,040 the you know connectivity is if there is 717 00:39:49,040 --> 00:39:52,320 any around like our city unemployment 718 00:39:52,320 --> 00:39:55,440 rate our you know city's financial 719 00:39:55,440 --> 00:39:57,119 health and you know wellbeing and how 720 00:39:57,119 --> 00:39:59,119 does that correlate to like domestic 721 00:39:59,119 --> 00:40:02,829 violence for some of the 722 00:40:02,839 --> 00:40:05,680 people? Yeah, Mike, I was sort of along 723 00:40:05,680 --> 00:40:07,280 the same lines thinking about the issue 724 00:40:07,280 --> 00:40:10,160 of poverty and its relation to um 725 00:40:10,160 --> 00:40:12,800 domestic abuse. Um, and I was just 726 00:40:12,800 --> 00:40:15,680 wondering, um, again, I think it's very 727 00:40:15,680 --> 00:40:18,800 tricky in terms of what we do to try to, 728 00:40:18,800 --> 00:40:21,440 um, help prevent, um, the incidents of 729 00:40:21,440 --> 00:40:23,280 domestic abuse, but I was wondering if, 730 00:40:23,280 --> 00:40:26,160 um, the folks in the schools um, our 731 00:40:26,160 --> 00:40:28,480 community resource officers or, um, 732 00:40:28,480 --> 00:40:30,960 other programming in the schools happens 733 00:40:30,960 --> 00:40:32,480 around 734 00:40:32,480 --> 00:40:35,599 um, talking to young men and young women 735 00:40:35,599 --> 00:40:39,920 um, about this. um in terms of you know 736 00:40:39,920 --> 00:40:42,200 hoping 737 00:40:42,200 --> 00:40:45,119 that you know their understanding not to 738 00:40:45,119 --> 00:40:47,280 do it, their understanding to report it 739 00:40:47,280 --> 00:40:52,640 if it is happening to not stand up not take it uh you know that kind of 740 00:40:52,640 --> 00:40:53,839 thing. So I was just wondering if the 741 00:40:53,839 --> 00:40:55,359 police department was involved in any 742 00:40:55,359 --> 00:40:57,200 way with the school district around 743 00:40:57,200 --> 00:41:00,589 those issues. 744 00:41:00,599 --> 00:41:03,280 Um, I I think it's fair to say that when 745 00:41:03,280 --> 00:41:06,079 we when we built out the school resource 746 00:41:06,079 --> 00:41:07,359 officer program, the community 747 00:41:07,359 --> 00:41:09,520 engagement officers in the schools, that 748 00:41:09,520 --> 00:41:11,839 part of part of the discussions was that 749 00:41:11,839 --> 00:41:13,520 they are a resource to the school 750 00:41:13,520 --> 00:41:15,760 community for anything. It doesn't have 751 00:41:15,760 --> 00:41:17,920 to be school violence or anything school 752 00:41:17,920 --> 00:41:19,839 related. It could be something that's 753 00:41:19,839 --> 00:41:22,800 related to their home life. Um, so and I 754 00:41:22,800 --> 00:41:24,160 know that from speaking to the past 755 00:41:24,160 --> 00:41:25,760 couple superintendents, they're all well 756 00:41:25,760 --> 00:41:27,839 aware that if students come to school 757 00:41:27,839 --> 00:41:29,440 and they're not talking for a day, but 758 00:41:29,440 --> 00:41:30,720 they're normally talking, something may 759 00:41:30,720 --> 00:41:32,480 have happened in their homes that they 760 00:41:32,480 --> 00:41:34,079 need to be aware of. It's, you know, 761 00:41:34,079 --> 00:41:36,720 it's the payroll with care method. And, 762 00:41:36,720 --> 00:41:38,480 uh, so, so those are things that we've 763 00:41:38,480 --> 00:41:41,040 had discussions with, but you know, 764 00:41:41,040 --> 00:41:42,800 really just having those open lines of 765 00:41:42,800 --> 00:41:44,319 communication, the best thing that we 766 00:41:44,319 --> 00:41:48,319 can do with the school district. 767 00:41:48,319 --> 00:41:50,240 Mr. So just to follow up on that, I know 768 00:41:50,240 --> 00:41:52,400 that, you know, there's a partnership, 769 00:41:52,400 --> 00:41:54,240 you know, with, you know, the police 770 00:41:54,240 --> 00:41:56,560 department, with probation, other 771 00:41:56,560 --> 00:41:59,040 community partners that are really are 772 00:41:59,040 --> 00:42:01,119 situ within the school district that's 773 00:42:01,119 --> 00:42:02,400 currently happening and it's been 774 00:42:02,400 --> 00:42:04,400 happening for a while is to just kind of 775 00:42:04,400 --> 00:42:06,319 make sure that those type of situations 776 00:42:06,319 --> 00:42:09,920 are kind of elevated. Um, and that not 777 00:42:09,920 --> 00:42:11,440 only is it, you know, the information 778 00:42:11,440 --> 00:42:13,119 doesn't stay siloed cuz sometimes that 779 00:42:13,119 --> 00:42:14,720 can happen when dealing with something 780 00:42:14,720 --> 00:42:17,680 that is as sensitive as this. you know, 781 00:42:17,680 --> 00:42:19,040 we want to be really mindful about that, 782 00:42:19,040 --> 00:42:21,760 but so there is I can, you know, I sit 783 00:42:21,760 --> 00:42:23,520 on that committee as well that's that's 784 00:42:23,520 --> 00:42:26,480 happening. Thank you. Yeah, I would like 785 00:42:26,480 --> 00:42:27,760 to follow up on that and you don't have 786 00:42:27,760 --> 00:42:30,160 to ask answer specifically, but to Miss 787 00:42:30,160 --> 00:42:32,800 um Miss Patrick's point, I think that um 788 00:42:32,800 --> 00:42:34,800 it would be ideal if they were like they 789 00:42:34,800 --> 00:42:36,800 had the like stranger danger, whatever. 790 00:42:36,800 --> 00:42:38,000 Maybe they're not calling it then 791 00:42:38,000 --> 00:42:39,520 anymore. But with those kind of things 792 00:42:39,520 --> 00:42:41,119 that they actually talked to students 793 00:42:41,119 --> 00:42:42,800 about were they were the subjects 794 00:42:42,800 --> 00:42:44,720 introduced and you're not waiting for a 795 00:42:44,720 --> 00:42:46,880 student to something to happen and you 796 00:42:46,880 --> 00:42:48,800 try to figure out by their behavior what 797 00:42:48,800 --> 00:42:51,359 exactly happened. Is there any level of 798 00:42:51,359 --> 00:42:53,200 curriculum or could there be where 799 00:42:53,200 --> 00:42:54,880 actually you talk to students that if 800 00:42:54,880 --> 00:42:56,640 you see something in your not and it may 801 00:42:56,640 --> 00:42:58,240 not be through the police department, it 802 00:42:58,240 --> 00:42:59,760 may be through the school system within 803 00:42:59,760 --> 00:43:02,319 a partnership where you actually have a 804 00:43:02,319 --> 00:43:05,040 forum or or a class or whatever you want 805 00:43:05,040 --> 00:43:06,800 to call it where you actually introduce 806 00:43:06,800 --> 00:43:08,800 that so that children feel more 807 00:43:08,800 --> 00:43:10,560 comfortable that if something is 808 00:43:10,560 --> 00:43:12,079 happening that they can come forth as 809 00:43:12,079 --> 00:43:14,079 opposed to, you know, the social worker 810 00:43:14,079 --> 00:43:16,079 or the teacher trying to determine what 811 00:43:16,079 --> 00:43:18,240 is causing their behavior to be 812 00:43:18,240 --> 00:43:22,480 different. Sure. Um I'm not sure right 813 00:43:22,480 --> 00:43:24,720 now, but I can I guess the only response 814 00:43:24,720 --> 00:43:26,800 I have to that is I had a meeting today 815 00:43:26,800 --> 00:43:28,319 with the school district uh 816 00:43:28,319 --> 00:43:29,480 superintendent, the deputy 817 00:43:29,480 --> 00:43:31,520 superintendent regarding our contact 818 00:43:31,520 --> 00:43:32,880 that's up for the school resource 819 00:43:32,880 --> 00:43:34,960 officers. And part of that conversation 820 00:43:34,960 --> 00:43:38,160 was the mayor's desire to uh to have the 821 00:43:38,160 --> 00:43:40,480 police and fire department involved more 822 00:43:40,480 --> 00:43:42,160 with with the education inside the 823 00:43:42,160 --> 00:43:44,560 schools. um talking on a variety of 824 00:43:44,560 --> 00:43:45,680 different topics and that certainly 825 00:43:45,680 --> 00:43:48,960 would be one of them um should they want us to be there to help 826 00:43:48,960 --> 00:43:50,720 with that. 827 00:43:50,720 --> 00:43:52,480 So maybe even though I could be involved 828 00:43:52,480 --> 00:43:55,280 with that. All right. So circling back 829 00:43:55,280 --> 00:43:58,800 to the finances. So since you said that 830 00:43:58,800 --> 00:44:00,800 there's an increase in revenue, do we at 831 00:44:00,800 --> 00:44:02,400 this point in time and maybe this 832 00:44:02,400 --> 00:44:04,960 question for our um finance deputy 833 00:44:04,960 --> 00:44:06,720 finance commissioner or finance chair 834 00:44:06,720 --> 00:44:09,680 here. do we need to um amend our budget 835 00:44:09,680 --> 00:44:11,119 since there's going to be I won't call 836 00:44:11,119 --> 00:44:13,839 it a savings but since we're now um 837 00:44:13,839 --> 00:44:16,640 money that we had initially had um 838 00:44:16,640 --> 00:44:19,160 allocated towards the line on your 839 00:44:19,160 --> 00:44:21,280 budget do we need to do a budget 840 00:44:21,280 --> 00:44:24,480 amendment to that um in order to 841 00:44:24,480 --> 00:44:25,920 recognize that there's this been this 842 00:44:25,920 --> 00:44:27,160 change in the 843 00:44:27,160 --> 00:44:31,040 budget I'll get back to you on that 844 00:44:31,040 --> 00:44:33,119 all right thank you 845 00:44:33,119 --> 00:44:35,599 any other questions or comments um I did 846 00:44:35,599 --> 00:44:38,000 have one respond. I greatly appreciate 847 00:44:38,000 --> 00:44:41,760 it. I think anytime we uh identify these 848 00:44:41,760 --> 00:44:44,640 types of uh influx of doctors, I think 849 00:44:44,640 --> 00:44:46,560 to the point that Mr. Farley was always 850 00:44:46,560 --> 00:44:48,240 making, it increases our responsiveness 851 00:44:48,240 --> 00:44:51,119 to chronic issues and concerns. And I 852 00:44:51,119 --> 00:44:53,119 imagine at the end of this, although our 853 00:44:53,119 --> 00:44:55,040 hope is for it to renew, um we're going 854 00:44:55,040 --> 00:44:58,000 to recognize that living without this 855 00:44:58,000 --> 00:45:01,040 funding is going to be a significant 856 00:45:01,040 --> 00:45:03,359 negative impact on what work is going to 857 00:45:03,359 --> 00:45:06,160 be able to be done right now. Um, with 858 00:45:06,160 --> 00:45:08,079 respect to future budgets which seem to 859 00:45:08,079 --> 00:45:10,640 be getting bigger than than lesser, is 860 00:45:10,640 --> 00:45:13,599 there any uh confidence you can put in 861 00:45:13,599 --> 00:45:20,069 absorbing this into your budget as is? 862 00:45:20,079 --> 00:45:22,640 Yeah. I mean, I I'm I'm so confident 863 00:45:22,640 --> 00:45:24,319 that this is going to keep going on. I 864 00:45:24,319 --> 00:45:25,599 didn't really put much thought behind 865 00:45:25,599 --> 00:45:27,839 that. But to your point, uh, many times 866 00:45:27,839 --> 00:45:29,520 we look at grants and we think about 867 00:45:29,520 --> 00:45:31,200 that, okay, this is a one or two-year 868 00:45:31,200 --> 00:45:33,920 grant. Is this something that we can see 869 00:45:33,920 --> 00:45:35,920 as being sustainable beyond the grant 870 00:45:35,920 --> 00:45:37,920 period? And if our answer is no, we just 871 00:45:37,920 --> 00:45:39,920 don't apply. And that has happened many 872 00:45:39,920 --> 00:45:42,240 times. But I'm I'm I asked that 873 00:45:42,240 --> 00:45:44,800 question. I'm I was told that expect 874 00:45:44,800 --> 00:45:47,119 this one to be just like GIF and it'll 875 00:45:47,119 --> 00:45:49,680 just keep going and going until domestic 876 00:45:49,680 --> 00:45:51,440 violence is eradicated. Then we can get 877 00:45:51,440 --> 00:45:54,560 rid of all of them. So thinking if there 878 00:45:54,560 --> 00:45:57,359 are no other questions, thank you. Thank 879 00:45:57,359 --> 00:45:59,520 you. Uh item number two is a follow 880 00:45:59,520 --> 00:46:01,920 discussion chapter 93 and the C 881 00:46:01,920 --> 00:46:07,270 regarding legucation and the police. 882 00:46:07,280 --> 00:46:09,760 May I have a motion to move? Second. 883 00:46:09,760 --> 00:46:12,720 All in favor. 884 00:46:12,720 --> 00:46:15,440 Now item number two discussion regarding 885 00:46:15,440 --> 00:46:17,920 chapter 93 code regarding regretation 886 00:46:17,920 --> 00:46:20,240 items. 887 00:46:20,240 --> 00:46:22,160 Thank you. So the last time we discussed 888 00:46:22,160 --> 00:46:23,839 this, it was because Sarn was now 889 00:46:23,839 --> 00:46:26,319 becoming dormant and and according to 890 00:46:26,319 --> 00:46:27,839 the code, they do have a seat at the 891 00:46:27,839 --> 00:46:30,480 table and um what I asked the council 892 00:46:30,480 --> 00:46:33,839 for was to provide input um in terms of 893 00:46:33,839 --> 00:46:36,960 other organizations or how we could re 894 00:46:36,960 --> 00:46:38,480 uh we could change the code so that 895 00:46:38,480 --> 00:46:39,680 we're not put in a position where 896 00:46:39,680 --> 00:46:41,760 they're not getting um they're not 897 00:46:41,760 --> 00:46:44,319 getting quum. My understanding is they 898 00:46:44,319 --> 00:46:46,720 recently have the situation again uh 899 00:46:46,720 --> 00:46:49,200 because there is an organization that is 900 00:46:49,200 --> 00:46:50,800 on there and does have a representative 901 00:46:50,800 --> 00:46:52,640 that's not showing up. I was just made 902 00:46:52,640 --> 00:46:54,800 aware of that today. So what I will be 903 00:46:54,800 --> 00:46:57,200 doing is um and asking Mr. uh Williams 904 00:46:57,200 --> 00:46:58,560 to do is actually reach out to that 905 00:46:58,560 --> 00:47:01,280 organization um and and let the mayor, 906 00:47:01,280 --> 00:47:02,800 you know, include the mayor that this 907 00:47:02,800 --> 00:47:06,079 person just isn't showing up and do they 908 00:47:06,079 --> 00:47:08,000 have a replacement. And I don't know um 909 00:47:08,000 --> 00:47:10,640 I don't ever get any, you know, we don't 910 00:47:10,640 --> 00:47:12,400 get reports as we used to. they used to 911 00:47:12,400 --> 00:47:13,839 come and tell us where they what they 912 00:47:13,839 --> 00:47:15,839 were doing. So, and also to ask for the 913 00:47:15,839 --> 00:47:19,520 CPRB um to give us some some feedback on 914 00:47:19,520 --> 00:47:21,599 how they think we can um rectify this 915 00:47:21,599 --> 00:47:22,880 because they're the ones doing the work 916 00:47:22,880 --> 00:47:24,880 every day. I did not get any feedback 917 00:47:24,880 --> 00:47:26,400 from council members, but at this time 918 00:47:26,400 --> 00:47:30,200 if there's any other feedback um so 919 00:47:30,200 --> 00:47:34,400 anyone um I committee I would recommend 920 00:47:34,400 --> 00:47:36,160 uh the seat or safe inc. I know we're 921 00:47:36,160 --> 00:47:37,599 briefly talking about having a youth 922 00:47:37,599 --> 00:47:39,920 component when informally speaking with 923 00:47:39,920 --> 00:47:42,720 the uh chair for the CPRB. Definitely 924 00:47:42,720 --> 00:47:45,280 identifying a sincere need to have more 925 00:47:45,280 --> 00:47:47,839 of a voice from our emerging community 926 00:47:47,839 --> 00:47:50,480 who are also impacted um by the 927 00:47:50,480 --> 00:47:51,680 responsiveness from the police 928 00:47:51,680 --> 00:47:53,359 department. I think it's important to 929 00:47:53,359 --> 00:47:56,640 have that uh integrated feedback uh to 930 00:47:56,640 --> 00:47:59,119 ensure that their voice is included in 931 00:47:59,119 --> 00:48:01,119 these ongoing conversations. I think 932 00:48:01,119 --> 00:48:02,920 we'll have to probably 933 00:48:02,920 --> 00:48:05,000 identify 934 00:48:05,000 --> 00:48:07,839 by comparison of corporation council but 935 00:48:07,839 --> 00:48:09,440 also through office of professional 936 00:48:09,440 --> 00:48:11,599 standards at what age range is 937 00:48:11,599 --> 00:48:13,359 appropriate. Um not talking about 938 00:48:13,359 --> 00:48:14,800 toddlers or anything but I think just 939 00:48:14,800 --> 00:48:16,560 making sure the individual that's 940 00:48:16,560 --> 00:48:18,480 exposed to this has the right 941 00:48:18,480 --> 00:48:20,640 wherewithal um because we want to make 942 00:48:20,640 --> 00:48:22,800 sure there is proper consideration for 943 00:48:22,800 --> 00:48:24,880 the confidentiality of some of this 944 00:48:24,880 --> 00:48:27,200 information. Um and then also I just 945 00:48:27,200 --> 00:48:30,079 wanted to add a snapshot this month's 946 00:48:30,079 --> 00:48:31,920 meeting which will be this Wednesday 947 00:48:31,920 --> 00:48:34,319 they'll be having the member from the K9 948 00:48:34,319 --> 00:48:36,400 department present. Uh so if anyone is 949 00:48:36,400 --> 00:48:38,480 looking to just hear more about what uh 950 00:48:38,480 --> 00:48:40,880 issues or items will fall at the lake 951 00:48:40,880 --> 00:48:42,480 review board. You can also have 952 00:48:42,480 --> 00:48:44,079 opportunity to meet a member from this 953 00:48:44,079 --> 00:48:46,559 team and the meetings are at 6:00 here 954 00:48:46,559 --> 00:48:51,430 in St. Paul on the second floor. 955 00:48:51,440 --> 00:48:55,040 So I forgive me madam chair for that. Um 956 00:48:55,040 --> 00:48:57,440 I'm well no I'm answering your question. 957 00:48:57,440 --> 00:49:00,000 That's why I was Yeah. So, I'm not 958 00:49:00,000 --> 00:49:02,240 exactly off top of my head sure like 959 00:49:02,240 --> 00:49:05,760 what all the um what parties were, but 960 00:49:05,760 --> 00:49:07,839 and I and I apologize for not sending 961 00:49:07,839 --> 00:49:09,760 this thought prior to the meeting, but I 962 00:49:09,760 --> 00:49:12,160 am think I was thinking based on our 963 00:49:12,160 --> 00:49:14,319 last conversation, if we look to have 964 00:49:14,319 --> 00:49:20,160 some some justice involved, families or representation there on that board, 965 00:49:20,160 --> 00:49:22,680 that might take us outside of like 966 00:49:22,680 --> 00:49:26,839 um what is existing now. 967 00:49:26,839 --> 00:49:30,400 Uh and my question for you, you were 968 00:49:30,400 --> 00:49:31,599 mentioning that they used to come and 969 00:49:31,599 --> 00:49:33,440 give us like reports. Now that was 970 00:49:33,440 --> 00:49:35,920 happening, was it happening quarterly or 971 00:49:35,920 --> 00:49:38,240 was that and and is there is that 972 00:49:38,240 --> 00:49:39,920 something that we can kind of 973 00:49:39,920 --> 00:49:42,000 communicate out like an expectation not 974 00:49:42,000 --> 00:49:43,280 just for them to come in and give us a 975 00:49:43,280 --> 00:49:45,000 oneoff but 976 00:49:45,000 --> 00:49:47,280 maybe give us some before it's moving 977 00:49:47,280 --> 00:49:48,720 forward? Well, I think we can certainly 978 00:49:48,720 --> 00:49:51,280 make that request. Um in terms of 979 00:49:51,280 --> 00:49:53,880 justice involved the uh the code speaks 980 00:49:53,880 --> 00:49:55,480 specifically 981 00:49:55,480 --> 00:49:58,319 um to people's and justice involved on a 982 00:49:58,319 --> 00:49:59,839 certain level who can and cannot sit. So 983 00:49:59,839 --> 00:50:01,200 there is some language in there already 984 00:50:01,200 --> 00:50:04,000 around that. So um it doesn't exclude 985 00:50:04,000 --> 00:50:05,839 everyone but it does exclude a certain 986 00:50:05,839 --> 00:50:07,440 group of people. So we can take a look 987 00:50:07,440 --> 00:50:08,880 at that and then if you have more 988 00:50:08,880 --> 00:50:12,800 questions around that definitely um uh 989 00:50:12,800 --> 00:50:14,640 the seats um I know that the city 990 00:50:14,640 --> 00:50:16,319 council has a seat and then an 991 00:50:16,319 --> 00:50:18,800 additional seat that we do with non 992 00:50:18,800 --> 00:50:21,040 voting but everything else that we're 993 00:50:21,040 --> 00:50:22,640 considering you know we have to 994 00:50:22,640 --> 00:50:23,920 definitely work with the mayor's office 995 00:50:23,920 --> 00:50:26,280 to to change uh anything in that 996 00:50:26,280 --> 00:50:28,400 legislation um because those are those 997 00:50:28,400 --> 00:50:30,880 are seats that would be um filled 998 00:50:30,880 --> 00:50:32,359 through going through the mayor's 999 00:50:32,359 --> 00:50:35,920 office. So, um I would ask that the um 1000 00:50:35,920 --> 00:50:39,200 CPRB just come next meeting, please, and 1001 00:50:39,200 --> 00:50:40,640 have us give some update on where they 1002 00:50:40,640 --> 00:50:43,280 are and where their challenges lie and 1003 00:50:43,280 --> 00:50:44,960 maybe their recommendations on how we 1004 00:50:44,960 --> 00:50:47,440 can um help move this forward along with 1005 00:50:47,440 --> 00:50:48,720 the recommendations that were given here 1006 00:50:48,720 --> 00:50:52,079 today. Absolutely. 1007 00:50:52,079 --> 00:50:53,680 Any other questions or comments related 1008 00:50:53,680 --> 00:50:57,130 to that agenda item? 1009 00:50:57,130 --> 00:50:58,880 [Music] 1010 00:50:58,880 --> 00:51:01,040 The last item on the agenda is a 1011 00:51:01,040 --> 00:51:03,400 reminder public hearing to add section 1012 00:51:03,400 --> 00:51:07,119 182-8 to chapter 182 of the SMDC code to 1013 00:51:07,119 --> 00:51:09,520 create a sound permit application. Um 1014 00:51:09,520 --> 00:51:13,280 public hearing was on March 24th, 2025. 1015 00:51:13,280 --> 00:51:16,079 Mr. Mine, thank you. Yes, we did a 1016 00:51:16,079 --> 00:51:18,599 public hearing regarding this uh 1017 00:51:18,599 --> 00:51:22,400 amendment and in your package you would 1018 00:51:22,400 --> 00:51:26,720 see that this under 182 section 182 a 1019 00:51:26,720 --> 00:51:30,079 section was added 182.8 eight and then 1020 00:51:30,079 --> 00:51:33,520 there is the permit application that we 1021 00:51:33,520 --> 00:51:35,760 went back and forth and we did change it 1022 00:51:35,760 --> 00:51:37,960 in authorizing things some of the 1023 00:51:37,960 --> 00:51:41,950 languages and it's just the 1024 00:51:41,960 --> 00:51:46,079 um the section that is added I'll just 1025 00:51:46,079 --> 00:51:46,839 ask 1026 00:51:46,839 --> 00:51:50,520 um council just update us on this 1027 00:51:50,520 --> 00:51:54,079 one it's it's pretty straightforward it 1028 00:51:54,079 --> 00:51:56,720 just needs another office to intake 1029 00:51:56,720 --> 00:51:58,720 these 1030 00:51:58,720 --> 00:52:01,680 um and you know intake the uh and 1031 00:52:01,680 --> 00:52:06,710 process the applications. 1032 00:52:06,720 --> 00:52:10,480 What you say not another office? 1033 00:52:10,480 --> 00:52:13,040 It's it's it's either the city police 1034 00:52:13,040 --> 00:52:18,349 department or another 1035 00:52:18,359 --> 00:52:21,520 office but in the court can clearly say 1036 00:52:21,520 --> 00:52:23,870 that 1037 00:52:23,880 --> 00:52:26,800 um coming from the police department 1038 00:52:26,800 --> 00:52:30,920 right but I understand the mayor speak 1039 00:52:30,920 --> 00:52:33,680 that regard 1040 00:52:33,680 --> 00:52:34,960 well you wanted an element of 1041 00:52:34,960 --> 00:52:36,720 convenience to have people be able to 1042 00:52:36,720 --> 00:52:38,640 come make the application maybe the city 1043 00:52:38,640 --> 00:52:41,920 clerk's office Then there's people that 1044 00:52:41,920 --> 00:52:43,800 generally already familiar with 1045 00:52:43,800 --> 00:52:47,280 it get processed and then notification 1046 00:52:47,280 --> 00:52:50,160 to go out to in the police department or 1047 00:52:50,160 --> 00:52:53,520 appropriate agencies within the city to 1048 00:52:53,520 --> 00:52:56,680 monitor the activity so that nobody's 1049 00:52:56,680 --> 00:53:00,400 creating situation that uh is offensive 1050 00:53:00,400 --> 00:53:04,880 or irritating to neighbors. 1051 00:53:04,880 --> 00:53:07,200 Thank you. Any other questions or 1052 00:53:07,200 --> 00:53:10,800 comments? But I'm a little um why do we 1053 00:53:10,800 --> 00:53:13,359 I mean this is something like should be 1054 00:53:13,359 --> 00:53:15,119 handled by the police department because 1055 00:53:15,119 --> 00:53:16,960 at the end of the day they will have to 1056 00:53:16,960 --> 00:53:18,480 review this application. They will have 1057 00:53:18,480 --> 00:53:19,640 to approve 1058 00:53:19,640 --> 00:53:23,480 it and they will have to monitor the 1059 00:53:23,480 --> 00:53:27,400 situation. So why why another 1060 00:53:27,400 --> 00:53:29,119 department? I'm just trying to 1061 00:53:29,119 --> 00:53:32,319 understand why not just an element of 1062 00:53:32,319 --> 00:53:35,839 convenience to get the application 1063 00:53:35,839 --> 00:53:38,400 coming in. It's like street closing 1064 00:53:38,400 --> 00:53:41,119 permits, you know, circulated throughout 1065 00:53:41,119 --> 00:53:43,119 the city and every department signs off 1066 00:53:43,119 --> 00:53:48,870 on them. 1067 00:53:48,880 --> 00:53:51,200 Um, so since this is going to be just 1068 00:53:51,200 --> 00:53:53,359 about every event, I do have a level of 1069 00:53:53,359 --> 00:53:56,160 concern regarding the amount of people 1070 00:53:56,160 --> 00:53:58,800 the influx that's going to now be would 1071 00:53:58,800 --> 00:54:00,640 come into whatever office it is. And the 1072 00:54:00,640 --> 00:54:02,559 crooks office in particular, I do see, 1073 00:54:02,559 --> 00:54:04,079 you know, the marriage license, golf 1074 00:54:04,079 --> 00:54:06,680 license, and every other license. 1075 00:54:06,680 --> 00:54:09,359 Um, and if the police department isn't 1076 00:54:09,359 --> 00:54:11,200 the place, is there someplace else in 1077 00:54:11,200 --> 00:54:13,920 city hall that we could maybe um get 1078 00:54:13,920 --> 00:54:16,280 this to happen? 1079 00:54:16,280 --> 00:54:19,040 Um, I just imagine that it's going to be 1080 00:54:19,040 --> 00:54:22,079 a lot of of of extra work. And it and if 1081 00:54:22,079 --> 00:54:24,520 that's not going to be the case, do we 1082 00:54:24,520 --> 00:54:26,720 then assign someone to the clerk's 1083 00:54:26,720 --> 00:54:28,079 office, get another body in the clerk's 1084 00:54:28,079 --> 00:54:29,520 office or even a part-time body in the 1085 00:54:29,520 --> 00:54:31,760 clerk's office to take on the additional 1086 00:54:31,760 --> 00:54:33,920 work? Because right now, it's staffed 1087 00:54:33,920 --> 00:54:35,680 essentially for the work that it does. 1088 00:54:35,680 --> 00:54:37,359 And if we're going to increase the 1089 00:54:37,359 --> 00:54:39,119 volume of work, I think we have to take 1090 00:54:39,119 --> 00:54:44,950 that in consideration. 1091 00:54:44,960 --> 00:54:46,400 Thank you. I I think that would hold 1092 00:54:46,400 --> 00:54:48,480 true for the police department as well. 1093 00:54:48,480 --> 00:54:49,680 You know, someone to take these 1094 00:54:49,680 --> 00:54:52,079 applications and um process them and 1095 00:54:52,079 --> 00:54:53,760 who's going to be responsible. I guess 1096 00:54:53,760 --> 00:55:02,760 the the uh the uh 911 call or the non 911 call of uh 1097 00:55:02,760 --> 00:55:06,400 6390 911. would get a call on this and 1098 00:55:06,400 --> 00:55:09,440 be dispatched to the officers to go. Um, 1099 00:55:09,440 --> 00:55:12,319 but my understanding, Mr. Mame, is first 1100 00:55:12,319 --> 00:55:14,079 they would get a phone call to the 1101 00:55:14,079 --> 00:55:16,559 individual on fire here. So, who's going 1102 00:55:16,559 --> 00:55:19,040 to be making that phone call again? And 1103 00:55:19,040 --> 00:55:21,359 does the police department have enough 1104 00:55:21,359 --> 00:55:24,400 um individuals when it comes in quue um 1105 00:55:24,400 --> 00:55:26,319 to call them right away or is it going 1106 00:55:26,319 --> 00:55:29,520 to be a 30 or 40 minute or 2hour delay 1107 00:55:29,520 --> 00:55:32,000 in calling even because of other 1108 00:55:32,000 --> 00:55:34,000 incidents that are already in quue that 1109 00:55:34,000 --> 00:55:36,160 the police department need to follow on 1110 00:55:36,160 --> 00:55:38,559 and follow up on. And I guess my last 1111 00:55:38,559 --> 00:55:41,280 question would be um I don't I didn't 1112 00:55:41,280 --> 00:55:42,960 know if we decided if we were going to 1113 00:55:42,960 --> 00:55:45,119 charge for this permit like we charge 1114 00:55:45,119 --> 00:55:48,000 for other permits. 1115 00:55:48,000 --> 00:55:50,559 I think at the last um it said no at the 1116 00:55:50,559 --> 00:55:53,680 last u meeting we decided a majority of 1117 00:55:53,680 --> 00:55:55,240 us decided that we're not going to 1118 00:55:55,240 --> 00:56:00,270 charge that was mine 1119 00:56:00,280 --> 00:56:03,680 yeah so but so I remember in our last 1120 00:56:03,680 --> 00:56:05,520 conversation I'm not really sure about 1121 00:56:05,520 --> 00:56:09,280 the best place for intake but kind of to 1122 00:56:09,280 --> 00:56:12,720 uh Mr. to's point. The hope here is that 1123 00:56:12,720 --> 00:56:15,200 by having the number and a contact 1124 00:56:15,200 --> 00:56:18,160 designated contact person on file, then 1125 00:56:18,160 --> 00:56:20,720 it will relieve some stress off the our 1126 00:56:20,720 --> 00:56:22,799 police department having to respond and 1127 00:56:22,799 --> 00:56:25,119 send their car out. So, I don't know if 1128 00:56:25,119 --> 00:56:26,799 that's an officer that's designated to 1129 00:56:26,799 --> 00:56:28,960 call, hey, listen, or or you know where 1130 00:56:28,960 --> 00:56:30,880 that call comes from. But either way, 1131 00:56:30,880 --> 00:56:33,599 whoever is making that call, it should, 1132 00:56:33,599 --> 00:56:35,520 and again, this is somewhat in theory, 1133 00:56:35,520 --> 00:56:37,760 but I imagine that it will become less 1134 00:56:37,760 --> 00:56:41,040 of a strain on the department to respond 1135 00:56:41,040 --> 00:56:43,119 via phone call and tell somebody, hey, 1136 00:56:43,119 --> 00:56:44,640 we got you on file here. We know you're 1137 00:56:44,640 --> 00:56:45,920 doing something. Hey, can you turn on 1138 00:56:45,920 --> 00:56:49,280 your music? And then happy to send that 1139 00:56:49,280 --> 00:56:50,880 initial car out. That could be one or 1140 00:56:50,880 --> 00:56:53,440 two officers dedicated to that. this 1141 00:56:53,440 --> 00:56:56,160 country. Yeah, it would seem to me and 1142 00:56:56,160 --> 00:56:57,839 not trying to add to the burden of our 1143 00:56:57,839 --> 00:56:59,680 police firm, but they probably are going 1144 00:56:59,680 --> 00:57:00,960 to be the people that will have to 1145 00:57:00,960 --> 00:57:04,079 respond to um and probably already 1146 00:57:04,079 --> 00:57:06,640 respond uh to these types of complaints 1147 00:57:06,640 --> 00:57:08,960 all the time. Um so it seems to me like 1148 00:57:08,960 --> 00:57:12,240 they would want to have um there at the 1149 00:57:12,240 --> 00:57:16,000 police department record of this permit 1150 00:57:16,000 --> 00:57:17,760 because you know I mean right off the 1151 00:57:17,760 --> 00:57:20,079 bat if somebody doesn't have the permit 1152 00:57:20,079 --> 00:57:22,559 um that's one whole set. I mean, I don't 1153 00:57:22,559 --> 00:57:24,000 know if we want to ask them to to 1154 00:57:24,000 --> 00:57:26,319 respond, but the chief said just send in 1155 00:57:26,319 --> 00:57:28,440 hand me once tomorrow. 1156 00:57:28,440 --> 00:57:31,040 Yeah, I get used to I think they should 1157 00:57:31,040 --> 00:57:32,640 end up with a record of the permit. 1158 00:57:32,640 --> 00:57:34,400 Absolutely. But I I would like chief to 1159 00:57:34,400 --> 00:57:36,640 respond. I mean, would someone be able 1160 00:57:36,640 --> 00:57:39,440 to make a phone call when anything comes 1161 00:57:39,440 --> 00:57:42,400 in? I mean, have you been, you know, 1162 00:57:42,400 --> 00:57:45,920 consulting about any of this or Sorry to 1163 00:57:45,920 --> 00:57:48,880 put you on the spot. M I guess my 1164 00:57:48,880 --> 00:57:51,119 question would be 1165 00:57:51,119 --> 00:57:53,280 for for the for the noise permit what 1166 00:57:53,280 --> 00:57:57,750 are we permitting? 1167 00:57:57,760 --> 00:58:00,640 Excess of the current code. 1168 00:58:00,640 --> 00:58:05,839 No absent a permit. Why wouldn't 1169 00:58:05,839 --> 00:58:07,040 somebody just be able to play their 1170 00:58:07,040 --> 00:58:09,280 music 1171 00:58:09,280 --> 00:58:13,440 if it's not in excess of the noise? 1172 00:58:13,440 --> 00:58:16,720 So I'd say my understanding of the 1173 00:58:16,720 --> 00:58:18,640 permit process and please correct me if 1174 00:58:18,640 --> 00:58:20,799 I'm wrong is to place a level of 1175 00:58:20,799 --> 00:58:22,400 accountability and then also to 1176 00:58:22,400 --> 00:58:24,960 formalize how you are being considerate 1177 00:58:24,960 --> 00:58:27,040 to others around you. So with that, it 1178 00:58:27,040 --> 00:58:29,599 puts in place a point of contact so that 1179 00:58:29,599 --> 00:58:31,920 if there are any issues or concerns, it 1180 00:58:31,920 --> 00:58:33,680 then gives the responding agency, which 1181 00:58:33,680 --> 00:58:35,599 would be the police department, a clear 1182 00:58:35,599 --> 00:58:37,440 means of here's your first step. And 1183 00:58:37,440 --> 00:58:39,200 then truly the hope or one of the 1184 00:58:39,200 --> 00:58:41,760 byproducts is that it saves you time of 1185 00:58:41,760 --> 00:58:44,160 having to send physical resources. To 1186 00:58:44,160 --> 00:58:46,079 me, a phone call is significantly more 1187 00:58:46,079 --> 00:58:48,480 easier to manage than sending out a 1188 00:58:48,480 --> 00:58:51,200 unit. Um and then also it provides those 1189 00:58:51,200 --> 00:58:54,880 around um that household a safe 1190 00:58:54,880 --> 00:58:57,079 understanding that 1191 00:58:57,079 --> 00:59:00,880 um one of the areas within the process 1192 00:59:00,880 --> 00:59:03,359 is notifying your adjacent households. 1193 00:59:03,359 --> 00:59:04,720 So again, I think it's just letting 1194 00:59:04,720 --> 00:59:06,559 people know there's no issues with 1195 00:59:06,559 --> 00:59:08,720 having music within the guidelines of 1196 00:59:08,720 --> 00:59:10,880 the city code. um but putting in place 1197 00:59:10,880 --> 00:59:13,599 some additional means so that uh others 1198 00:59:13,599 --> 00:59:15,760 are notified and that there's a proper 1199 00:59:15,760 --> 00:59:17,839 response 1200 00:59:17,839 --> 00:59:20,559 uh proper responding person to reach out 1201 00:59:20,559 --> 00:59:22,079 to so you're not just banging on the 1202 00:59:22,079 --> 00:59:23,799 door waiting for someone else to 1203 00:59:23,799 --> 00:59:29,200 come that p that piece I like having the contact information my 1204 00:59:29,200 --> 00:59:32,440 concern with issuing permits 1205 00:59:32,440 --> 00:59:35,760 is we're then enforcing the permits so 1206 00:59:35,760 --> 00:59:38,000 we're we're issuing them and then when 1207 00:59:38,000 --> 00:59:39,680 we show up and they're like but you gave 1208 00:59:39,680 --> 00:59:41,200 this and then we have to explain to 1209 00:59:41,200 --> 00:59:43,520 them, well, I know we gave it to you, 1210 00:59:43,520 --> 00:59:46,240 but you're violating it. That's why my 1211 00:59:46,240 --> 00:59:48,559 question is like when if somebody were 1212 00:59:48,559 --> 00:59:50,559 to come and file for a permit, what 1213 00:59:50,559 --> 00:59:52,640 exactly are what's the what's the reason 1214 00:59:52,640 --> 00:59:54,880 why they're filing for it that they 1215 00:59:54,880 --> 01:00:00,150 can't currently do right now? 1216 01:00:00,160 --> 01:00:06,240 Yeah. Again, I I think and guys feel me if if I'm out of turn here. I 1217 01:00:06,240 --> 01:00:10,079 think that the hope there is that now it 1218 01:00:10,079 --> 01:00:11,839 is another point of accountability for 1219 01:00:11,839 --> 01:00:14,319 somebody cuz we're not saying that now 1220 01:00:14,319 --> 01:00:15,760 we give you this permit you can blast 1221 01:00:15,760 --> 01:00:17,040 your music, right? That's not what we're 1222 01:00:17,040 --> 01:00:18,720 saying. We're saying that we recognize 1223 01:00:18,720 --> 01:00:20,480 that as especially as a weather change, 1224 01:00:20,480 --> 01:00:21,599 people are going to want to have more 1225 01:00:21,599 --> 01:00:24,000 outdoor activities. So, this encourages 1226 01:00:24,000 --> 01:00:25,520 people to, you know, be a better 1227 01:00:25,520 --> 01:00:27,400 neighbor to, you know, make those 1228 01:00:27,400 --> 01:00:29,920 notifications. Um, and then, you know, 1229 01:00:29,920 --> 01:00:32,640 have somebody on on contact on file. And 1230 01:00:32,640 --> 01:00:34,040 I think that, you 1231 01:00:34,040 --> 01:00:37,440 know, I'm sure like any enforcement or 1232 01:00:37,440 --> 01:00:38,720 anything that changes in the code, 1233 01:00:38,720 --> 01:00:40,559 you'll have people who are won't be 1234 01:00:40,559 --> 01:00:42,799 interested in in in following the rules. 1235 01:00:42,799 --> 01:00:44,799 But, you know, I think majority of 1236 01:00:44,799 --> 01:00:45,920 people will say, "Okay, this is 1237 01:00:45,920 --> 01:00:46,960 something I could do. This is something 1238 01:00:46,960 --> 01:00:48,880 that's required of me now to do this, 1239 01:00:48,880 --> 01:00:50,319 then I do it." And then it puts us all 1240 01:00:50,319 --> 01:00:52,160 in a better position. Um, I don't think 1241 01:00:52,160 --> 01:00:55,760 it it's going to uh be an absolute uh 1242 01:00:55,760 --> 01:00:58,319 cure all for some of the noise pollution 1243 01:00:58,319 --> 01:01:01,119 that we're experiencing, but it does 1244 01:01:01,119 --> 01:01:02,960 operationalize a little bit of goodwill 1245 01:01:02,960 --> 01:01:04,480 between the neighbors and more 1246 01:01:04,480 --> 01:01:10,069 accountability for individuals. 1247 01:01:10,079 --> 01:01:12,000 No, I agree with that. It's more on we 1248 01:01:12,000 --> 01:01:13,839 touch on that accountability and kind of 1249 01:01:13,839 --> 01:01:16,160 give the PD the information that needed 1250 01:01:16,160 --> 01:01:18,240 rather than wasting time sending out to 1251 01:01:18,240 --> 01:01:19,599 officer there where we can do better 1252 01:01:19,599 --> 01:01:21,920 with our officer a phone call. I think 1253 01:01:21,920 --> 01:01:23,520 we discussed this a couple years ago in 1254 01:01:23,520 --> 01:01:26,000 terms of more of getting information, 1255 01:01:26,000 --> 01:01:28,240 make that call, let them know that they 1256 01:01:28,240 --> 01:01:30,799 are in violation, you know, rather than 1257 01:01:30,799 --> 01:01:33,200 showing up at the property. And, you 1258 01:01:33,200 --> 01:01:36,880 know, it's more of it's more of driven 1259 01:01:36,880 --> 01:01:39,440 towards that accountability for whoever 1260 01:01:39,440 --> 01:01:42,480 is doing an event. And I think that's 1261 01:01:42,480 --> 01:01:44,400 what the whole aim is for here. And then 1262 01:01:44,400 --> 01:01:46,799 um regardless of amending this, it's in 1263 01:01:46,799 --> 01:01:49,280 the city charter regardless. So if we 1264 01:01:49,280 --> 01:01:51,040 were to do nothing today with this area, 1265 01:01:51,040 --> 01:01:52,720 it's still in the city charter that the 1266 01:01:52,720 --> 01:01:54,400 police department can issue special 1267 01:01:54,400 --> 01:01:58,000 permit for events. So this is more of us 1268 01:01:58,000 --> 01:02:00,640 amending it to broaden the scope of who 1269 01:02:00,640 --> 01:02:03,520 is responsible and to add another office 1270 01:02:03,520 --> 01:02:05,359 if it's not the police department or 1271 01:02:05,359 --> 01:02:07,440 someone else to help with that special 1272 01:02:07,440 --> 01:02:11,670 permit. 1273 01:02:11,680 --> 01:02:13,599 Thank you. So to like kind of to your 1274 01:02:13,599 --> 01:02:15,760 point, chief, it's it's similar to like 1275 01:02:15,760 --> 01:02:17,680 why do we issue street closing for block 1276 01:02:17,680 --> 01:02:18,960 parties? because we want to know what's 1277 01:02:18,960 --> 01:02:19,920 happening. We want to know what's going 1278 01:02:19,920 --> 01:02:21,760 on. If there's an issue, we want to know 1279 01:02:21,760 --> 01:02:23,839 who we contact. So, to me, it's very 1280 01:02:23,839 --> 01:02:26,240 similar to that. Um, further to the 1281 01:02:26,240 --> 01:02:27,920 point of who it should be, since we're 1282 01:02:27,920 --> 01:02:29,640 having a lot of discussion around 1283 01:02:29,640 --> 01:02:31,839 that, the information that was provided 1284 01:02:31,839 --> 01:02:34,079 to us by corporation council said that 1285 01:02:34,079 --> 01:02:35,760 the application is going to be uh 1286 01:02:35,760 --> 01:02:37,359 reviewed and approved by this connecting 1287 01:02:37,359 --> 01:02:40,079 police department that um that the chief 1288 01:02:40,079 --> 01:02:42,079 of police will have to review it and 1289 01:02:42,079 --> 01:02:44,640 we'll issue it. So, it sounds like it 1290 01:02:44,640 --> 01:02:47,640 starts at the police department. 1291 01:02:47,640 --> 01:02:50,160 um otherwise that it would have to 1292 01:02:50,160 --> 01:02:51,359 happen here and then we'd have to 1293 01:02:51,359 --> 01:02:53,280 transmit the information to the police 1294 01:02:53,280 --> 01:02:54,400 department or someone would have to come 1295 01:02:54,400 --> 01:02:56,720 here and look at it. But based on um 1296 01:02:56,720 --> 01:03:00,079 what's been given to us for 182-8 1297 01:03:00,079 --> 01:03:02,240 um it looks like the police department 1298 01:03:02,240 --> 01:03:03,680 would be the starting place based on 1299 01:03:03,680 --> 01:03:06,960 this language. Okay, Mr. Chairman, 1300 01:03:06,960 --> 01:03:09,440 perhaps uh we can internally look at 1301 01:03:09,440 --> 01:03:12,559 this administratively and find find 1302 01:03:12,559 --> 01:03:15,520 another office and perhaps the council 1303 01:03:15,520 --> 01:03:17,680 can as well think of another office for 1304 01:03:17,680 --> 01:03:20,960 you know for the intake of this and get 1305 01:03:20,960 --> 01:03:23,799 back to do dealing with this in two 1306 01:03:23,799 --> 01:03:27,160 weeks. If I can Mr. 1307 01:03:27,160 --> 01:03:30,160 Mayor the street closing permit today 1308 01:03:30,160 --> 01:03:34,079 comes into the mayor's office. 1309 01:03:34,079 --> 01:03:35,520 That number's been growing over the 1310 01:03:35,520 --> 01:03:38,720 years. That application then is 1311 01:03:38,720 --> 01:03:41,599 circulated throughout the city. So the 1312 01:03:41,599 --> 01:03:43,200 fire department has to sign off on it. 1313 01:03:43,200 --> 01:03:45,440 Finance says sign off on it. Police 1314 01:03:45,440 --> 01:03:48,000 department has to sign off on it so that 1315 01:03:48,000 --> 01:03:50,079 they're aware. And it also when the 1316 01:03:50,079 --> 01:03:52,599 actual closure is 1317 01:03:52,599 --> 01:03:56,079 issued or modification of traffic flow, 1318 01:03:56,079 --> 01:04:00,400 it sent to dispatch. You know, in this 1319 01:04:00,400 --> 01:04:02,400 system, the simpler thing is if we knew 1320 01:04:02,400 --> 01:04:04,280 who had the loud 1321 01:04:04,280 --> 01:04:07,119 noise, the complaint is going to come in 1322 01:04:07,119 --> 01:04:11,599 to a phone call, either 911 or the 1323 01:04:11,599 --> 01:04:14,000 non-emergency number to dispatch. So, 1324 01:04:14,000 --> 01:04:16,960 they could look it up and then just call 1325 01:04:16,960 --> 01:04:19,119 the party and say, "We've got a 1326 01:04:19,119 --> 01:04:21,920 complaint. Your sound is too loud." 1327 01:04:21,920 --> 01:04:25,870 But again, to the chief's 1328 01:04:25,880 --> 01:04:28,960 point, we're going to permit people to 1329 01:04:28,960 --> 01:04:33,470 do what they can do today without a 1330 01:04:33,480 --> 01:04:36,319 permit. And then we're assuming people 1331 01:04:36,319 --> 01:04:38,480 are going to violate it. And then what 1332 01:04:38,480 --> 01:04:40,400 are they going to do? Do we have to send 1333 01:04:40,400 --> 01:04:43,520 the police out? Do we send a drone out? 1334 01:04:43,520 --> 01:04:45,710 Do 1335 01:04:45,720 --> 01:04:49,119 we do the phone call to it? And as we 1336 01:04:49,119 --> 01:04:52,520 all know, those noise 1337 01:04:52,520 --> 01:04:56,720 complaints are ones that back up where 1338 01:04:56,720 --> 01:05:00,000 again, they're priority three calls. And 1339 01:05:00,000 --> 01:05:02,960 it's unfortunate where you have one 1340 01:05:02,960 --> 01:05:05,680 individual or one location that makes 1341 01:05:05,680 --> 01:05:10,359 poor choices and has very loud 1342 01:05:10,359 --> 01:05:13,039 noise. Most times it does not generate 1343 01:05:13,039 --> 01:05:15,119 one complaint, complain about that. 1344 01:05:15,119 --> 01:05:17,839 You'll get 10 complaints and a lot of 1345 01:05:17,839 --> 01:05:21,280 the complaints are not narrowed down to 1346 01:05:21,280 --> 01:05:24,079 say it's a specific address on a 1347 01:05:24,079 --> 01:05:27,200 specific street. It's there's some place 1348 01:05:27,200 --> 01:05:30,559 two blocks over or it's the yellow house 1349 01:05:30,559 --> 01:05:32,880 farther up the street. And so dispatch 1350 01:05:32,880 --> 01:05:35,760 has to sort that out. Is it a separate 1351 01:05:35,760 --> 01:05:39,920 violation or is it one location that's 1352 01:05:39,920 --> 01:05:43,839 doing it? And so again, hopefully in 1353 01:05:43,839 --> 01:05:45,920 this whole discussion and narrative, 1354 01:05:45,920 --> 01:05:47,559 people 1355 01:05:47,559 --> 01:05:51,200 will understand that their actions do 1356 01:05:51,200 --> 01:05:52,960 have repercussions and negative 1357 01:05:52,960 --> 01:05:55,039 influence on their neighbors and that 1358 01:05:55,039 --> 01:05:57,920 people weather gets warmer, they won't 1359 01:05:57,920 --> 01:06:00,960 be playing music excessively loud or 1360 01:06:00,960 --> 01:06:04,160 engaged in conduct that uh generates 1361 01:06:04,160 --> 01:06:05,920 noise in a manner that irritates the 1362 01:06:05,920 --> 01:06:08,079 neighbors. 1363 01:06:08,079 --> 01:06:10,640 And I would have to agree. I I think 1364 01:06:10,640 --> 01:06:12,319 show me another way we can get someone's 1365 01:06:12,319 --> 01:06:15,599 contact information. I'm all in favor of 1366 01:06:15,599 --> 01:06:18,520 doing that. I think the only issue is an 1367 01:06:18,520 --> 01:06:20,480 uninforcable recommendation is a 1368 01:06:20,480 --> 01:06:21,680 suggestion. So I think this 1369 01:06:21,680 --> 01:06:23,760 unfortunately is the only opportunity we 1370 01:06:23,760 --> 01:06:26,480 have to get that contact information. I 1371 01:06:26,480 --> 01:06:28,079 think similar to how we're rolling out 1372 01:06:28,079 --> 01:06:30,240 the new speed limits uh which we've 1373 01:06:30,240 --> 01:06:32,240 heard has been so wellreceived by the 1374 01:06:32,240 --> 01:06:33,760 community, I think it's we're 1375 01:06:33,760 --> 01:06:36,079 reconditioning behaviors. Uh so I think 1376 01:06:36,079 --> 01:06:38,559 hopefully over time people who are going 1377 01:06:38,559 --> 01:06:40,559 through this experience are then sharing 1378 01:06:40,559 --> 01:06:42,480 that information with other party 1379 01:06:42,480 --> 01:06:44,240 starters and they recognize that within 1380 01:06:44,240 --> 01:06:46,079 the city of Skenctity they are now 1381 01:06:46,079 --> 01:06:48,000 identifying this as a point of emphasis 1382 01:06:48,000 --> 01:06:50,480 to address moving forward. But sincerely 1383 01:06:50,480 --> 01:06:52,079 growing up in the city noise has been an 1384 01:06:52,079 --> 01:06:53,440 issue and we have to try something 1385 01:06:53,440 --> 01:06:54,799 different. Whether this is the right 1386 01:06:54,799 --> 01:06:56,640 different I don't know but I think it 1387 01:06:56,640 --> 01:06:58,240 shows the community that we hear you and 1388 01:06:58,240 --> 01:07:02,319 we are going to try something new. 1389 01:07:02,319 --> 01:07:06,000 Um there so May glad you touched on the 1390 01:07:06,000 --> 01:07:07,359 drone. I think when we were discussing 1391 01:07:07,359 --> 01:07:09,520 our investment in the drone, we did talk 1392 01:07:09,520 --> 01:07:11,680 about using drone for this first 1393 01:07:11,680 --> 01:07:14,240 responders for as a first responder to 1394 01:07:14,240 --> 01:07:16,559 the kind of incident like you know or 1395 01:07:16,559 --> 01:07:19,359 when people have events like this. So I 1396 01:07:19,359 --> 01:07:21,920 don't know if you want to remind if 1397 01:07:21,920 --> 01:07:23,440 that's still on the card is that 1398 01:07:23,440 --> 01:07:26,720 possible. Yeah, it is. And you as I sat 1399 01:07:26,720 --> 01:07:28,799 down, assistant chief kind of whispered 1400 01:07:28,799 --> 01:07:30,880 to me, what's the benefit of the permit? 1401 01:07:30,880 --> 01:07:32,799 So, it just got me, you know, it was I'm 1402 01:07:32,799 --> 01:07:34,559 just thinking that because I hear what 1403 01:07:34,559 --> 01:07:35,599 you're saying. You want to come up with 1404 01:07:35,599 --> 01:07:36,599 a 1405 01:07:36,599 --> 01:07:39,599 solution perhaps a permit that would 1406 01:07:39,599 --> 01:07:42,319 allow if somebody's having a party, how 1407 01:07:42,319 --> 01:07:43,839 do you encourage somebody to file for a 1408 01:07:43,839 --> 01:07:46,319 permit and give us this information? 1409 01:07:46,319 --> 01:07:49,119 Right. Right. Now, a big um 1410 01:07:49,119 --> 01:07:51,119 misunderstanding is that when the police 1411 01:07:51,119 --> 01:07:54,079 show up, you get one show up without a 1412 01:07:54,079 --> 01:07:56,799 with a with a notification. Cuz when we 1413 01:07:56,799 --> 01:07:58,319 show up and we issue a ticket, they're 1414 01:07:58,319 --> 01:08:00,319 like, "I thought you got one show up." 1415 01:08:00,319 --> 01:08:01,599 That's like, nope, that's never in the 1416 01:08:01,599 --> 01:08:03,839 code. It's not the case. Perhaps with a 1417 01:08:03,839 --> 01:08:05,680 permit and the sharing of that 1418 01:08:05,680 --> 01:08:07,280 information, that's the way you sell it. 1419 01:08:07,280 --> 01:08:09,680 That's the benefit is you, you know, 1420 01:08:09,680 --> 01:08:11,680 you're having a party, a picnic, you're 1421 01:08:11,680 --> 01:08:14,079 going to have music on. You sound get 1422 01:08:14,079 --> 01:08:16,719 your permit, give us your information. 1423 01:08:16,719 --> 01:08:18,719 If we get a complaint where we find that 1424 01:08:18,719 --> 01:08:20,799 it's too loud, now we have an easy way 1425 01:08:20,799 --> 01:08:22,480 to contact you and tell you you're being 1426 01:08:22,480 --> 01:08:24,560 too loud, shut it off. That's the 1427 01:08:24,560 --> 01:08:26,400 benefit. So, that that's a way it 1428 01:08:26,400 --> 01:08:28,480 potentially could work. Yes. And I think 1429 01:08:28,480 --> 01:08:29,759 that's right. That's what we're trying 1430 01:08:29,759 --> 01:08:31,440 to get. Now we have the information that 1431 01:08:31,440 --> 01:08:32,960 can help us. As long as we sell to the 1432 01:08:32,960 --> 01:08:35,199 public that way and tell them if you 1433 01:08:35,199 --> 01:08:36,719 don't get the permit and we show up, 1434 01:08:36,719 --> 01:08:40,199 you're getting the ticket. There's no 1435 01:08:40,199 --> 01:08:43,920 one one free show off. And before your 1436 01:08:43,920 --> 01:08:45,279 question, I know there's a component in 1437 01:08:45,279 --> 01:08:47,359 the city code where you're able to uh 1438 01:08:47,359 --> 01:08:49,359 take away the noise making device. Is 1439 01:08:49,359 --> 01:08:52,319 there any way we can uh evaluate? I I'm 1440 01:08:52,319 --> 01:08:53,679 just trying to look at what are what 1441 01:08:53,679 --> 01:08:55,359 what's available to us. Um, and then 1442 01:08:55,359 --> 01:08:57,080 also I want to put your offers in 1443 01:08:57,080 --> 01:08:59,120 officers situation where there's getting 1444 01:08:59,120 --> 01:09:01,040 doors slammed in their faces or not 1445 01:09:01,040 --> 01:09:04,400 answer. Yeah. I mean, we're always real 1446 01:09:04,400 --> 01:09:06,679 careful before we do that. But you 1447 01:09:06,679 --> 01:09:09,040 usually the threshold that I use 1448 01:09:09,040 --> 01:09:11,719 personally and I've recommended is is 1449 01:09:11,719 --> 01:09:14,000 that if you feel that sound coming 1450 01:09:14,000 --> 01:09:16,319 through your body, we're probably going 1451 01:09:16,319 --> 01:09:18,000 to take the equipment. If if we've told 1452 01:09:18,000 --> 01:09:19,679 you once and you and you you haven't 1453 01:09:19,679 --> 01:09:21,679 listened to us now, we're going to take 1454 01:09:21,679 --> 01:09:23,839 it and till the judge says to return, 1455 01:09:23,839 --> 01:09:25,920 Miss Ver, I just want to So, it does 1456 01:09:25,920 --> 01:09:27,920 sound like you think that this is a 1457 01:09:27,920 --> 01:09:32,480 valid useful thing for us to be. 1458 01:09:32,480 --> 01:09:33,759 As long as there's a benefit to the 1459 01:09:33,759 --> 01:09:35,759 person applying because otherwise I'd 1460 01:09:35,759 --> 01:09:37,520 hate to be put in a position to them to 1461 01:09:37,520 --> 01:09:39,839 say, well, why did I even apply for this 1462 01:09:39,839 --> 01:09:41,600 if I'm if you're showing up anyways and 1463 01:09:41,600 --> 01:09:43,920 I'm getting a ticket? 1464 01:09:43,920 --> 01:09:45,759 Oh, well, they'd have to know the 1465 01:09:45,759 --> 01:09:47,679 parameters around the noise level, which 1466 01:09:47,679 --> 01:09:49,679 I believe was a certain decel, but even 1467 01:09:49,679 --> 01:09:50,960 then, I mean, it's like, how are they 1468 01:09:50,960 --> 01:09:52,640 going to know it? How are they going to 1469 01:09:52,640 --> 01:09:56,320 measure themselves? But what I would 1470 01:09:56,320 --> 01:09:59,360 throw out, and I hope I'm wrong, is 1471 01:09:59,360 --> 01:10:01,679 people who are going to be the worst 1472 01:10:01,679 --> 01:10:05,600 violators are not going to get no matter 1473 01:10:05,600 --> 01:10:08,480 what the council changes the legislation 1474 01:10:08,480 --> 01:10:10,000 to. 1475 01:10:10,000 --> 01:10:11,840 I would say optimistically we have to 1476 01:10:11,840 --> 01:10:14,080 present another narrative because I feel 1477 01:10:14,080 --> 01:10:15,920 like that that shows the people of the 1478 01:10:15,920 --> 01:10:17,360 community that there's nothing we can do 1479 01:10:17,360 --> 01:10:19,360 to address this and I would have to 1480 01:10:19,360 --> 01:10:27,960 disagree. Mr. W did you raise no I was going to say that if 1481 01:10:27,960 --> 01:10:31,000 we have our minds kind 1482 01:10:31,000 --> 01:10:34,239 of aimed towards like the worst 1483 01:10:34,239 --> 01:10:36,480 offenders here. I mean, I think honestly 1484 01:10:36,480 --> 01:10:38,719 if we just had to deal with the people 1485 01:10:38,719 --> 01:10:41,199 that were the worst offenders as far as 1486 01:10:41,199 --> 01:10:43,199 it goes, then that would that alone 1487 01:10:43,199 --> 01:10:46,159 would cut a lot of, you know, uh, track 1488 01:10:46,159 --> 01:10:47,760 traffic off of resources for the police 1489 01:10:47,760 --> 01:10:49,440 that they wouldn't have to deal with. I 1490 01:10:49,440 --> 01:10:52,080 think that this is something that 1491 01:10:52,080 --> 01:10:53,440 there's a lot of variables that are 1492 01:10:53,440 --> 01:10:55,679 involved. So, you might have people who 1493 01:10:55,679 --> 01:10:57,199 they have their music up a little louder 1494 01:10:57,199 --> 01:10:59,040 in the daytime as a neighbor happens all 1495 01:10:59,040 --> 01:11:00,880 the time. Daytime I don't mind. You know 1496 01:11:00,880 --> 01:11:03,040 what I mean? and it gets a little bit 1497 01:11:03,040 --> 01:11:04,480 little darker outside then maybe I'll 1498 01:11:04,480 --> 01:11:06,800 tell my neighbor hey you know but so I 1499 01:11:06,800 --> 01:11:09,679 think that knowing that there is a 1500 01:11:09,679 --> 01:11:11,440 continuum if you will of people who are 1501 01:11:11,440 --> 01:11:16,320 going to be enjoying music outdoors then 1502 01:11:16,320 --> 01:11:17,719 a lot of the people 1503 01:11:17,719 --> 01:11:20,080 who those people same people say hey if 1504 01:11:20,080 --> 01:11:21,199 there's a problem turn it down those 1505 01:11:21,199 --> 01:11:22,400 people want to come have a permit they 1506 01:11:22,400 --> 01:11:23,600 don't want to be in compliance they 1507 01:11:23,600 --> 01:11:25,800 don't want to you 1508 01:11:25,800 --> 01:11:28,159 know snub their nose at their neighbors 1509 01:11:28,159 --> 01:11:30,320 a lot of time I think a lot of people 1510 01:11:30,320 --> 01:11:32,120 it's something that is 1511 01:11:32,120 --> 01:11:34,719 uh you know it it it's a matter of 1512 01:11:34,719 --> 01:11:36,480 perspective and some cuz my loud might 1513 01:11:36,480 --> 01:11:38,239 not be their loud and vice versa. So I 1514 01:11:38,239 --> 01:11:39,840 think that this is a way that we can 1515 01:11:39,840 --> 01:11:41,600 kind of again operationalize you know 1516 01:11:41,600 --> 01:11:43,199 establishing some goodwill within the 1517 01:11:43,199 --> 01:11:45,280 neighborhood and and and let people know 1518 01:11:45,280 --> 01:11:46,560 and I think that's a really good idea 1519 01:11:46,560 --> 01:11:49,199 chief that if you did get the permit 1520 01:11:49,199 --> 01:11:51,360 then you know that's why you're giving 1521 01:11:51,360 --> 01:11:53,199 us courtesy call. Hey we know it's you 1522 01:11:53,199 --> 01:11:54,719 think for giving us information we need 1523 01:11:54,719 --> 01:11:56,480 you to turn it down a little bit or you 1524 01:11:56,480 --> 01:11:58,080 didn't now we're going to enforce what's 1525 01:11:58,080 --> 01:12:02,480 already under the code. So I think that that that shows some benefit there. 1526 01:12:02,480 --> 01:12:05,360 Um this So this is a quality of life 1527 01:12:05,360 --> 01:12:09,920 issue that we've been talking about for years and um I just think that we 1528 01:12:09,920 --> 01:12:11,360 just have to let people know because 1529 01:12:11,360 --> 01:12:13,360 there are people that that it's already 1530 01:12:13,360 --> 01:12:14,880 something that really people should be 1531 01:12:14,880 --> 01:12:16,800 adhering to. So I've already heard 1532 01:12:16,800 --> 01:12:18,400 feedback, oh it's you're you're 1533 01:12:18,400 --> 01:12:20,080 targeting certain groups or certain 1534 01:12:20,080 --> 01:12:21,840 individuals. And I think it's just a 1535 01:12:21,840 --> 01:12:23,120 matter of just making sure that we 1536 01:12:23,120 --> 01:12:24,880 educate people that like this applies to 1537 01:12:24,880 --> 01:12:27,199 everyone regardless of where you live or 1538 01:12:27,199 --> 01:12:28,800 what your neighborhood is. It applies to 1539 01:12:28,800 --> 01:12:31,440 everyone. Um, and I don't I don't think 1540 01:12:31,440 --> 01:12:33,280 it's a bad idea cuz sometimes the music 1541 01:12:33,280 --> 01:12:35,120 does get really loud even in cars. We 1542 01:12:35,120 --> 01:12:36,400 didn't talk about that. I get it. I was 1543 01:12:36,400 --> 01:12:39,120 going to say goes the end with the cars 1544 01:12:39,120 --> 01:12:40,880 that are speeding down our street as 1545 01:12:40,880 --> 01:12:43,199 well. But I think being able to identify 1546 01:12:43,199 --> 01:12:44,560 people I've been at parties where the 1547 01:12:44,560 --> 01:12:47,840 police have come. It wasn't my party. 1548 01:12:47,840 --> 01:12:48,679 was 1549 01:12:48,679 --> 01:12:53,280 mine. Um, and so but if there that 1550 01:12:53,280 --> 01:12:54,480 person knew ahead of time that they 1551 01:12:54,480 --> 01:12:56,080 already had to get a permit etc and so 1552 01:12:56,080 --> 01:12:58,679 on and you know because the neighbors 1553 01:12:58,679 --> 01:13:01,520 called there's something so I think that 1554 01:13:01,520 --> 01:13:05,199 we at least minimally should um try to 1555 01:13:05,199 --> 01:13:07,600 uh put something in place that at least 1556 01:13:07,600 --> 01:13:09,520 puts everyone on notice and let them 1557 01:13:09,520 --> 01:13:12,239 makes them aware. 1558 01:13:12,239 --> 01:13:14,560 Um definitely the chief's recommendation 1559 01:13:14,560 --> 01:13:17,040 of putting in writing in a benefit. I 1560 01:13:17,040 --> 01:13:18,320 think that is absolutely something we 1561 01:13:18,320 --> 01:13:19,679 should consider. I don't know what steps 1562 01:13:19,679 --> 01:13:21,760 we need to do to I'm sorry. Could you 1563 01:13:21,760 --> 01:13:24,320 just repeat a warning built in 1564 01:13:24,320 --> 01:13:26,400 completing the permit? Um I don't know 1565 01:13:26,400 --> 01:13:29,440 what we need to do if we do anything at 1566 01:13:29,440 --> 01:13:32,400 this point. I don't I I think that's a 1567 01:13:32,400 --> 01:13:35,679 policy. Okay. Perfect. All right. Uh so 1568 01:13:35,679 --> 01:13:38,159 with this we need to um it's just a 1569 01:13:38,159 --> 01:13:41,040 reminder. Okay. 1570 01:13:41,040 --> 01:13:43,760 Uh there are no other items to put on 1571 01:13:43,760 --> 01:13:45,760 wait. 1572 01:13:45,760 --> 01:13:48,719 Are we moving this forward or are we 1573 01:13:48,719 --> 01:13:50,239 holding it for two weeks to kind of 1574 01:13:50,239 --> 01:13:52,400 determine which office that is going to 1575 01:13:52,400 --> 01:13:54,080 take responsibility for this format? 1576 01:13:54,080 --> 01:13:55,920 That was my take. So let's um hold hold 1577 01:13:55,920 --> 01:13:57,280 this for two weeks, bring it back and 1578 01:13:57,280 --> 01:13:59,480 let's come up with a solution in terms 1579 01:13:59,480 --> 01:14:03,760 of what recommendation in terms of where 1580 01:14:03,760 --> 01:14:06,000 they can pull this. 1581 01:14:06,000 --> 01:14:07,360 So we'll have it back in two weeks so 1582 01:14:07,360 --> 01:14:09,360 they can move forward. Well, so that we 1583 01:14:09,360 --> 01:14:11,600 can move something forward. Just put it 1584 01:14:11,600 --> 01:14:13,120 in the mayor's office will take it and 1585 01:14:13,120 --> 01:14:14,800 we'll handle it just in the same way we 1586 01:14:14,800 --> 01:14:17,000 do 1587 01:14:17,000 --> 01:14:20,800 street. So do we need So can I just be 1588 01:14:20,800 --> 01:14:23,840 clear? So the forms would come it would 1589 01:14:23,840 --> 01:14:25,120 come directly from your office and then 1590 01:14:25,120 --> 01:14:26,960 you would handle the moving it around to 1591 01:14:26,960 --> 01:14:28,960 the different departments. So what we do 1592 01:14:28,960 --> 01:14:34,950 now similar to what forms 1593 01:14:34,960 --> 01:14:36,719 is there form in the legislation that 1594 01:14:36,719 --> 01:14:38,760 has to be designed. 1595 01:14:38,760 --> 01:14:43,590 No form's already here. 1596 01:14:43,600 --> 01:14:45,360 Well, I'd have to look at that to see if 1597 01:14:45,360 --> 01:14:48,400 it conforms with other ones that we're 1598 01:14:48,400 --> 01:14:50,880 working on which incorporate their 1599 01:14:50,880 --> 01:14:53,920 applicability to an EZRI platform for a 1600 01:14:53,920 --> 01:14:57,440 mapping system. So, but the form itself 1601 01:14:57,440 --> 01:14:59,440 doesn't need legislation. It's just part 1602 01:14:59,440 --> 01:15:03,120 of the mayor's office. 1603 01:15:03,120 --> 01:15:05,040 Okay. 1604 01:15:05,040 --> 01:15:06,800 So, so with that said that we can move 1605 01:15:06,800 --> 01:15:10,320 this as amended. As amended, the mayor 1606 01:15:10,320 --> 01:15:14,000 may have a motion. So, move second. Uh 1607 01:15:14,000 --> 01:15:16,600 second. All in favor? 1608 01:15:16,600 --> 01:15:19,679 I call public safety. I have a motion to 1609 01:15:19,679 --> 01:15:22,400 still move. Second. Second. All in 1610 01:15:22,400 --> 01:15:24,480 favor? 1611 01:15:24,480 --> 01:15:26,040 So, I'd like to open health and 1612 01:15:26,040 --> 01:15:28,880 recreation. Um, and tonight we have 1613 01:15:28,880 --> 01:15:31,600 before us um I do, you know, we had a 1614 01:15:31,600 --> 01:15:33,440 health and recreation meeting last uh 1615 01:15:33,440 --> 01:15:34,719 well, we tried to have a health and 1616 01:15:34,719 --> 01:15:36,560 recreation meeting last week and 1617 01:15:36,560 --> 01:15:38,239 unfortunately 1618 01:15:38,239 --> 01:15:41,760 um I was the only person there. I will 1619 01:15:41,760 --> 01:15:43,840 thank Mr. from the committee. Um I'll 1620 01:15:43,840 --> 01:15:46,719 thank Mr. Müer for showing up after uh 1621 01:15:46,719 --> 01:15:49,679 his uh community center opened which was 1622 01:15:49,679 --> 01:15:52,159 very very generous of him. Um what we 1623 01:15:52,159 --> 01:15:54,320 learned um through our discussion 1624 01:15:54,320 --> 01:15:56,000 because we couldn't officially have a 1625 01:15:56,000 --> 01:15:59,840 meeting um was that indeed um for the 1626 01:15:59,840 --> 01:16:03,440 this body um we would be uh voting on a 1627 01:16:03,440 --> 01:16:07,520 pool policy. The pool rules um are 1628 01:16:07,520 --> 01:16:10,080 something that our staff um would be 1629 01:16:10,080 --> 01:16:12,239 contributing to us. We they're included 1630 01:16:12,239 --> 01:16:14,239 in our packet here so that we can see 1631 01:16:14,239 --> 01:16:16,800 them. Um we we've certainly talked about 1632 01:16:16,800 --> 01:16:19,199 them many many times now at this point. 1633 01:16:19,199 --> 01:16:27,520 Um, so what I'd like to do is ask um we have um our pools our parks director 1634 01:16:27,520 --> 01:16:31,440 uh Maka and um our uh commissioner 1635 01:16:31,440 --> 01:16:33,360 general services here. This would fall 1636 01:16:33,360 --> 01:16:36,560 under their uh department. So, um I 1637 01:16:36,560 --> 01:16:37,920 don't know if you want to come up and 1638 01:16:37,920 --> 01:16:46,630 talk about this at all. 1639 01:16:46,640 --> 01:16:48,239 Good evening, Mayor President Council 1640 01:16:48,239 --> 01:16:50,239 members. Real background before we go 1641 01:16:50,239 --> 01:16:52,480 into pool policy. We sat down and we 1642 01:16:52,480 --> 01:16:54,640 spoke to our pool operators, the Boys 1643 01:16:54,640 --> 01:16:56,719 and Girls Club. So, I asked them certain 1644 01:16:56,719 --> 01:16:57,920 questions. One of the things I asked 1645 01:16:57,920 --> 01:16:59,440 them is how many times during the summer 1646 01:16:59,440 --> 01:17:02,719 season do we reach capacity? 95% of the 1647 01:17:02,719 --> 01:17:04,480 summer season we reach capacity which is 1648 01:17:04,480 --> 01:17:07,199 400 people in the pool. I also asked her 1649 01:17:07,199 --> 01:17:09,040 when we reach capacity what's the best 1650 01:17:09,040 --> 01:17:11,199 estimate that you have of non-resident 1651 01:17:11,199 --> 01:17:13,280 using our pool. During the weekday she 1652 01:17:13,280 --> 01:17:15,520 stated that 25 to 30% of the pool was 1653 01:17:15,520 --> 01:17:17,840 occupied by non-residents. On the 1654 01:17:17,840 --> 01:17:21,040 weekends that rises up to 50%. Holidays 1655 01:17:21,040 --> 01:17:24,159 and hot days it stays about 50%. So on a 1656 01:17:24,159 --> 01:17:26,159 given day on a weekend you can count on 1657 01:17:26,159 --> 01:17:28,400 200 non-residents being in your pool and 1658 01:17:28,400 --> 01:17:31,360 only 200 connected residents. That's one 1659 01:17:31,360 --> 01:17:32,880 of the reasons the policy was designed 1660 01:17:32,880 --> 01:17:35,040 for where it is, the way it was set up, 1661 01:17:35,040 --> 01:17:37,600 that it has to be skewed residents only, 1662 01:17:37,600 --> 01:17:39,920 allowing a 21-year-old to bring in three 1663 01:17:39,920 --> 01:17:42,719 up to three guests under the age of 10, 1664 01:17:42,719 --> 01:17:44,560 allowing the sket residents more 1665 01:17:44,560 --> 01:17:48,570 capacity in the pool. Absolutely. 1666 01:17:48,570 --> 01:17:50,400 [Music] 1667 01:17:50,400 --> 01:17:53,120 Any questions? 1668 01:17:53,120 --> 01:17:55,360 So, the Boys and Girls Club, um, right 1669 01:17:55,360 --> 01:17:58,320 now, do they ask if we're residents? I 1670 01:17:58,320 --> 01:18:00,239 I've been through before. They loosely 1671 01:18:00,239 --> 01:18:03,679 take uh zip codes and they told she told 1672 01:18:03,679 --> 01:18:05,199 us that they do have some she sees a lot 1673 01:18:05,199 --> 01:18:07,760 of these unit zip codes coming in. A lot 1674 01:18:07,760 --> 01:18:09,440 of them are indistinguishable because 1675 01:18:09,440 --> 01:18:11,360 they come to one 306 which is a large 1676 01:18:11,360 --> 01:18:14,400 zip code area 309 and overrun but her 1677 01:18:14,400 --> 01:18:16,960 best estimates are with that 25 to 30% 1678 01:18:16,960 --> 01:18:19,120 non-resident during the week and 50% on 1679 01:18:19,120 --> 01:18:22,080 hot days and weekends and holidays. 1680 01:18:22,080 --> 01:18:23,840 I I want to thank you for putting this 1681 01:18:23,840 --> 01:18:26,000 together, realizing that you can make 1682 01:18:26,000 --> 01:18:28,640 the policy and uh you did a heck of a 1683 01:18:28,640 --> 01:18:30,400 job putting that together. I especially 1684 01:18:30,400 --> 01:18:34,800 like the 21 years and older um to have 1685 01:18:34,800 --> 01:18:38,400 three individuals 10 and under. Um so I 1686 01:18:38,400 --> 01:18:39,840 thank you for the work you put into 1687 01:18:39,840 --> 01:18:42,080 this. I'll try to make it more equitable 1688 01:18:42,080 --> 01:18:43,600 for our sketity residents. You know, 1689 01:18:43,600 --> 01:18:45,280 given the fact our sketity residents 1690 01:18:45,280 --> 01:18:46,800 deserve to have shots on you. Everybody 1691 01:18:46,800 --> 01:18:48,080 says, "Well, I got relatives that are 1692 01:18:48,080 --> 01:18:49,840 going to come." That's that's just fine. 1693 01:18:49,840 --> 01:18:51,440 But what about the hundreds connected 1694 01:18:51,440 --> 01:18:52,480 residents who are going to stand outside 1695 01:18:52,480 --> 01:18:54,159 the gate on an 80 degree day? I can't 1696 01:18:54,159 --> 01:18:58,390 get in the pool. 1697 01:18:58,400 --> 01:19:00,159 So just speaking to things I brought 1698 01:19:00,159 --> 01:19:02,880 that I did bring up already because um I 1699 01:19:02,880 --> 01:19:05,679 think that um to be a resident connected 1700 01:19:05,679 --> 01:19:07,040 if you have guests in town over a 1701 01:19:07,040 --> 01:19:08,880 holiday weekend or whatever to not be 1702 01:19:08,880 --> 01:19:10,560 able to come to them to come to the pool 1703 01:19:10,560 --> 01:19:12,880 when we talked about how much revenue is 1704 01:19:12,880 --> 01:19:15,199 being driven from our prior report by 1705 01:19:15,199 --> 01:19:18,800 our visitors and tourism. I think for me anyway I think that we should 1706 01:19:18,800 --> 01:19:21,520 really revisit that in terms of having 1707 01:19:21,520 --> 01:19:24,560 allowing minimally at least one guest um 1708 01:19:24,560 --> 01:19:27,120 if you're a resident that brings a guest 1709 01:19:27,120 --> 01:19:28,960 to the pool because right now you can't 1710 01:19:28,960 --> 01:19:31,679 have you can't right based on this based 1711 01:19:31,679 --> 01:19:33,199 on I tell you it's under 10 years old we 1712 01:19:33,199 --> 01:19:35,199 can raise we can raise at 21 years old 1713 01:19:35,199 --> 01:19:37,440 and above you're allowed one guest which 1714 01:19:37,440 --> 01:19:38,880 will make it equitable when you allow 1715 01:19:38,880 --> 01:19:40,640 someone over 21 to bring three guests in 1716 01:19:40,640 --> 01:19:42,000 you're going to get a hearts connected 1717 01:19:42,000 --> 01:19:44,239 residence and 300 guests in the pool 1718 01:19:44,239 --> 01:19:46,159 they're going to outweigh us if it's a 1719 01:19:46,159 --> 01:19:48,640 1:1 ratio. I think that would work 1720 01:19:48,640 --> 01:19:50,000 because I don't really see that we're 1721 01:19:50,000 --> 01:19:51,520 going to have that. Most of the time if 1722 01:19:51,520 --> 01:19:52,719 you're going to bring you're going to 1723 01:19:52,719 --> 01:19:55,280 bring in young children. Most adults 1724 01:19:55,280 --> 01:19:57,320 won't bring other adults to the 1725 01:19:57,320 --> 01:19:59,600 pool. You know, you're going to see 1726 01:19:59,600 --> 01:20:01,280 Uncle Carl's going to bring Uncle Carl 1727 01:20:01,280 --> 01:20:02,800 might bring three young kids with him, 1728 01:20:02,800 --> 01:20:04,480 you know, and Danny might say, "Well, 1729 01:20:04,480 --> 01:20:06,080 I'm going to bring Joe in, but you're 1730 01:20:06,080 --> 01:20:07,199 not going to see he's not going to bring 1731 01:20:07,199 --> 01:20:09,790 three older 1732 01:20:09,800 --> 01:20:13,360 relatives." Mom might bring some. 1733 01:20:13,360 --> 01:20:15,360 Um, so that was one thing. And so you 1734 01:20:15,360 --> 01:20:17,760 said that um that the Boys and Girls 1735 01:20:17,760 --> 01:20:19,920 Club Girls and Girls Club the data they 1736 01:20:19,920 --> 01:20:21,840 were um capturing was kind of like 1737 01:20:21,840 --> 01:20:24,080 generalized. They did not specifically 1738 01:20:24,080 --> 01:20:26,480 ask for an ID to prove that you lived in 1739 01:20:26,480 --> 01:20:28,080 the city. They just took the zip code 1740 01:20:28,080 --> 01:20:30,560 and said and so I could walk in even if 1741 01:20:30,560 --> 01:20:32,080 I did live in Connecticut and say, "Oh, 1742 01:20:32,080 --> 01:20:34,400 I live in 1205." But now we're going to 1743 01:20:34,400 --> 01:20:35,520 ask you for your ID. You're going to 1744 01:20:35,520 --> 01:20:37,360 have to identify yourself. My point is 1745 01:20:37,360 --> 01:20:40,080 that data could or could not be could be 1746 01:20:40,080 --> 01:20:42,320 skewed because we didn't have any real 1747 01:20:42,320 --> 01:20:44,239 um identification of who was coming in 1748 01:20:44,239 --> 01:20:47,199 there. Um and I also think that because 1749 01:20:47,199 --> 01:20:48,880 the pool was a novelty when it first 1750 01:20:48,880 --> 01:20:50,400 opened, it's I mean people were just 1751 01:20:50,400 --> 01:20:53,040 coming from everywhere. It's true. There 1752 01:20:53,040 --> 01:20:54,640 was even a video where almost everybody 1753 01:20:54,640 --> 01:20:57,040 in the video that they did to advertise 1754 01:20:57,040 --> 01:20:58,640 the pool did not live in the city. I 1755 01:20:58,640 --> 01:21:01,120 thought that was interesting. So So I 1756 01:21:01,120 --> 01:21:02,800 think that first first of all initially 1757 01:21:02,800 --> 01:21:05,679 was a novelty. However, um I think that 1758 01:21:05,679 --> 01:21:07,120 now that it's open, I'm not sure if 1759 01:21:07,120 --> 01:21:08,880 we'll see that level of influx. So, I 1760 01:21:08,880 --> 01:21:10,320 that's why I'm asking that there be a 1761 01:21:10,320 --> 01:21:13,199 little bit more flexibility in terms of, 1762 01:21:13,199 --> 01:21:15,840 you know, adults bringing um another 1763 01:21:15,840 --> 01:21:18,480 adult. Yeah, I I think that's a 1764 01:21:18,480 --> 01:21:20,320 one-on-one ratio for an adult like that 1765 01:21:20,320 --> 01:21:22,560 and still one 21 and below so the 1766 01:21:22,560 --> 01:21:24,000 younger kids can get in, you know, and 1767 01:21:24,000 --> 01:21:25,520 other kids always need adults with them 1768 01:21:25,520 --> 01:21:29,600 there. I think that's that's acceptable. 1769 01:21:29,600 --> 01:21:32,320 Um 1770 01:21:32,320 --> 01:21:37,400 yeah, I did. So, and the poll rules is what you're doing, right? So, I just 1771 01:21:37,400 --> 01:21:39,600 um there was the one where it says it 1772 01:21:39,600 --> 01:21:41,679 says children up to 5 years old must 1773 01:21:41,679 --> 01:21:45,040 have an adult with them. So, do they 1774 01:21:45,040 --> 01:21:46,480 mean does this really mean children five 1775 01:21:46,480 --> 01:21:49,440 and under? Oh, have an adult in the pool 1776 01:21:49,440 --> 01:21:52,000 with them? In the pool with them. So, 1777 01:21:52,000 --> 01:21:53,520 anyone under that age can't be inside 1778 01:21:53,520 --> 01:21:55,280 the pool without somebody with Okay. 1779 01:21:55,280 --> 01:21:57,360 It's in the pool or on the pool deck. 1780 01:21:57,360 --> 01:21:59,120 Okay. Good. But the way it reads, it's 1781 01:21:59,120 --> 01:22:00,960 it just to me it should read that 1782 01:22:00,960 --> 01:22:02,800 children five and under must have an 1783 01:22:02,800 --> 01:22:04,800 adult. Do you see what I'm talking 1784 01:22:04,800 --> 01:22:07,199 about? In the water. In the water. In 1785 01:22:07,199 --> 01:22:12,189 the pool itself. Yes. 1786 01:22:12,199 --> 01:22:16,000 Just have an adult. I mean, it's just 1787 01:22:16,000 --> 01:22:18,040 Yes. 1788 01:22:18,040 --> 01:22:20,239 And then if you're on the pool five 1789 01:22:20,239 --> 01:22:21,600 to 10, they have to have an adult on the 1790 01:22:21,600 --> 01:22:25,840 pool deck. Yes. Got it. All right. that was the only um I thought that 1791 01:22:25,840 --> 01:22:30,000 language wasn't very extremely clear. 1792 01:22:30,000 --> 01:22:31,679 The the other piece that we did talk 1793 01:22:31,679 --> 01:22:34,880 about was um whether to charge to 1794 01:22:34,880 --> 01:22:37,760 actually get into the pool. Um we had 1795 01:22:37,760 --> 01:22:40,719 decided we in previous discussions of 1796 01:22:40,719 --> 01:22:42,400 the health and recreation committee, we 1797 01:22:42,400 --> 01:22:45,280 had talked about not charging residents 1798 01:22:45,280 --> 01:22:48,719 uh to get into the pool. Um again, we 1799 01:22:48,719 --> 01:22:52,000 couldn't make a decision last week. Um 1800 01:22:52,000 --> 01:22:54,719 so you know I do want to bring that that 1801 01:22:54,719 --> 01:22:56,199 forward. 1802 01:22:56,199 --> 01:23:00,320 Um if we are going to charge it adds a 1803 01:23:00,320 --> 01:23:03,679 whole other layer of you know staffing 1804 01:23:03,679 --> 01:23:07,639 equipment that we would need um etc. So 1805 01:23:07,639 --> 01:23:10,800 um I'm just open to hearing from folks 1806 01:23:10,800 --> 01:23:12,560 about what they what they feel about 1807 01:23:12,560 --> 01:23:14,320 that. 1808 01:23:14,320 --> 01:23:17,000 Are you are you talking like um charging 1809 01:23:17,000 --> 01:23:20,159 non-residents or Well, we we were 1810 01:23:20,159 --> 01:23:21,679 talking about, you know, residents 1811 01:23:21,679 --> 01:23:25,760 getting in for free. Um this pool policy 1812 01:23:25,760 --> 01:23:28,560 says that it's only um it's strictly 1813 01:23:28,560 --> 01:23:30,159 limited to current residents of the 1814 01:23:30,159 --> 01:23:31,840 city. They can bring a certain number of 1815 01:23:31,840 --> 01:23:33,840 non-resident guests. So therefore, it 1816 01:23:33,840 --> 01:23:38,840 would be free. Um, so in our in our 1817 01:23:38,840 --> 01:23:40,800 conversation, not obviously not this 1818 01:23:40,800 --> 01:23:42,159 prior week, but the prior conversation, 1819 01:23:42,159 --> 01:23:45,320 I thought that there 1820 01:23:45,320 --> 01:23:48,719 was I everyone well everyone I spoke to, 1821 01:23:48,719 --> 01:23:51,040 I should say, agreeing with not charging 1822 01:23:51,040 --> 01:23:54,120 city residents. Um, so and 1823 01:23:54,120 --> 01:23:56,639 I'm I still feel really strongly about 1824 01:23:56,639 --> 01:23:58,639 that about not charging our city 1825 01:23:58,639 --> 01:24:00,719 residents to use the city pool. Um I 1826 01:24:00,719 --> 01:24:02,639 think that you know obviously if we're 1827 01:24:02,639 --> 01:24:04,719 not allowing non- city residents use of 1828 01:24:04,719 --> 01:24:06,560 the pool then that just takes care of 1829 01:24:06,560 --> 01:24:08,400 that. But if there is you know some 1830 01:24:08,400 --> 01:24:11,199 flexibility around that then charging on 1831 01:24:11,199 --> 01:24:13,280 non city residents I think it would be 1832 01:24:13,280 --> 01:24:15,520 an appropriate thing to do it just to 1833 01:24:15,520 --> 01:24:16,960 your point it would look at like you 1834 01:24:16,960 --> 01:24:20,239 know how do we collect that um that fee 1835 01:24:20,239 --> 01:24:23,040 and does the collection of the fee or 1836 01:24:23,040 --> 01:24:26,719 does the existing fee um justify the 1837 01:24:26,719 --> 01:24:29,679 action within itself? Right. Well, we've 1838 01:24:29,679 --> 01:24:31,840 looked at Would you like to handle? We 1839 01:24:31,840 --> 01:24:33,040 looked at all different options. We 1840 01:24:33,040 --> 01:24:34,560 talked about a kiosk, getting put a 1841 01:24:34,560 --> 01:24:36,000 kiosk in. If you're a non-resident, you 1842 01:24:36,000 --> 01:24:37,920 have you have to go to the kiosk, buy a 1843 01:24:37,920 --> 01:24:39,679 pass to get in, get banded to come in 1844 01:24:39,679 --> 01:24:42,080 the pool. The startup costs are 1845 01:24:42,080 --> 01:24:43,440 tremendous. By the time we buy the 1846 01:24:43,440 --> 01:24:46,560 kiosk, we do the the cost for processing 1847 01:24:46,560 --> 01:24:48,080 and everything else, maintenance costs, 1848 01:24:48,080 --> 01:24:49,679 everything else to get the kiosk. So, 1849 01:24:49,679 --> 01:24:51,920 it's kind of kind of if we don't we're 1850 01:24:51,920 --> 01:24:53,440 not sure how much revenue we're actually 1851 01:24:53,440 --> 01:24:54,560 going to generate, how many non 1852 01:24:54,560 --> 01:24:56,560 residents we're going to get. And then 1853 01:24:56,560 --> 01:24:58,080 we talked about having somebody there to 1854 01:24:58,080 --> 01:24:59,360 collect the money. We we could have 1855 01:24:59,360 --> 01:25:00,719 somebody there collect the money and 1856 01:25:00,719 --> 01:25:02,719 then we have to bring a supervisor in 1857 01:25:02,719 --> 01:25:05,120 overtime. So we close out at the night. 1858 01:25:05,120 --> 01:25:07,120 The numbers match the the bank book is 1859 01:25:07,120 --> 01:25:09,360 put together. That has to be done every 1860 01:25:09,360 --> 01:25:10,800 night of the pool. So we're going to pay 1861 01:25:10,800 --> 01:25:12,560 somebody time and a half 4 hours a night 1862 01:25:12,560 --> 01:25:14,239 to come and collect that money. And 1863 01:25:14,239 --> 01:25:16,159 Sunday double time 4 hours to close 1864 01:25:16,159 --> 01:25:17,920 because the pool is open way after hours 1865 01:25:17,920 --> 01:25:19,360 are the building's closed. Everybody's 1866 01:25:19,360 --> 01:25:21,320 done. Oh. So 1867 01:25:21,320 --> 01:25:23,560 because well if we're 1868 01:25:23,560 --> 01:25:26,480 basing the pool rules based off the 1869 01:25:26,480 --> 01:25:27,840 feedback that we got from the boys and 1870 01:25:27,840 --> 01:25:30,000 girls but those are the numbers that are 1871 01:25:30,000 --> 01:25:32,520 we're building our rationale around 1872 01:25:32,520 --> 01:25:37,520 then if if that holds to be true um then 1873 01:25:37,520 --> 01:25:40,159 it seems like there might be a a large a 1874 01:25:40,159 --> 01:25:43,280 large enough uh margin um in order to 1875 01:25:43,280 --> 01:25:45,679 justify doing it. But to President 1876 01:25:45,679 --> 01:25:48,800 Portfield's point if it's based on 1877 01:25:48,800 --> 01:25:51,600 number one that the data that we have 1878 01:25:51,600 --> 01:25:55,280 collected hasn't been um as uh accurate 1879 01:25:55,280 --> 01:25:56,800 as we'd like it to be or as specific as 1880 01:25:56,800 --> 01:25:59,199 we'd like it to be and or it being kind 1881 01:25:59,199 --> 01:26:01,440 of the novelty the new thing that's 1882 01:26:01,440 --> 01:26:05,120 happening. Um so maybe and I I would 1883 01:26:05,120 --> 01:26:07,360 just suggest this anyway is that we 1884 01:26:07,360 --> 01:26:09,239 allow ourselves 1885 01:26:09,239 --> 01:26:11,840 to know that we you know we could be a 1886 01:26:11,840 --> 01:26:13,679 little more responsive to the needs of 1887 01:26:13,679 --> 01:26:15,120 the community once we get information. 1888 01:26:15,120 --> 01:26:16,800 So like if like if this information if 1889 01:26:16,800 --> 01:26:18,960 we're saying hey we find out that there 1890 01:26:18,960 --> 01:26:20,480 is a huge amount of people coming in 1891 01:26:20,480 --> 01:26:21,760 then we're like we need to do something 1892 01:26:21,760 --> 01:26:24,560 about this. If not then we don't. Um so 1893 01:26:24,560 --> 01:26:27,120 I I would just caution us to not be 1894 01:26:27,120 --> 01:26:30,159 overly committed to what um whatever 1895 01:26:30,159 --> 01:26:32,960 thing we come up with now. Um yes I'd 1896 01:26:32,960 --> 01:26:34,960 like to say that um one of the things 1897 01:26:34,960 --> 01:26:37,120 that we've talked about is that we will 1898 01:26:37,120 --> 01:26:39,760 re-evaluate this uh following the 1899 01:26:39,760 --> 01:26:42,480 season. I think um we definitely talked 1900 01:26:42,480 --> 01:26:44,639 about the fact that um you know we want 1901 01:26:44,639 --> 01:26:46,080 to have some good data to make 1902 01:26:46,080 --> 01:26:48,480 decisions. Um so we will have to look at 1903 01:26:48,480 --> 01:26:50,639 this you know after I think this is 1904 01:26:50,639 --> 01:26:52,880 going to be an interesting season. We 1905 01:26:52,880 --> 01:26:54,480 had met with Boys and Girls Club today 1906 01:26:54,480 --> 01:26:56,320 and we talked about maybe establishing a 1907 01:26:56,320 --> 01:26:57,600 different way why they can collect a 1908 01:26:57,600 --> 01:26:58,719 little more different data so it's a 1909 01:26:58,719 --> 01:27:00,000 little more accurate what we're getting 1910 01:27:00,000 --> 01:27:02,000 in you know and if we met in a policy to 1911 01:27:02,000 --> 01:27:04,560 let one adult one-on-one adults in we'll 1912 01:27:04,560 --> 01:27:05,679 have some more data we can come back 1913 01:27:05,679 --> 01:27:07,040 next year and say okay this is what we 1914 01:27:07,040 --> 01:27:11,040 determined that we got this is what we can anticipate and revenue coming 1915 01:27:11,040 --> 01:27:13,440 back to us 1916 01:27:13,440 --> 01:27:16,239 Mr. Williams. Uh, I'd say definitely I'm 1917 01:27:16,239 --> 01:27:18,480 on board with having a yearly or annual 1918 01:27:18,480 --> 01:27:20,800 review of these types of policies. I am 1919 01:27:20,800 --> 01:27:24,080 not in agreement with charging our city 1920 01:27:24,080 --> 01:27:26,560 residents in any regard to this. And I 1921 01:27:26,560 --> 01:27:28,880 think there's also consideration to 1922 01:27:28,880 --> 01:27:31,679 either increase that additional guest 1923 01:27:31,679 --> 01:27:34,400 age. Um, what we don't want to happen is 1924 01:27:34,400 --> 01:27:36,960 splitting up friend loops. um because I 1925 01:27:36,960 --> 01:27:39,280 think we want to drive our youth or 1926 01:27:39,280 --> 01:27:41,520 engagement to these types of uh approved 1927 01:27:41,520 --> 01:27:43,199 activities because I don't know if 1928 01:27:43,199 --> 01:27:45,679 anyone's noticed the bikes are out again 1929 01:27:45,679 --> 01:27:47,920 and I think we are going to be presented 1930 01:27:47,920 --> 01:27:50,000 with a different issue of how do we 1931 01:27:50,000 --> 01:27:52,400 guide our youth to these approved 1932 01:27:52,400 --> 01:27:55,520 activities. Um, but for the only reason 1933 01:27:55,520 --> 01:28:00,080 of we put a little under 20% of our ARVA 1934 01:28:00,080 --> 01:28:02,560 eligible ARA funding to this project, I 1935 01:28:02,560 --> 01:28:04,719 think that buys a few years of good 1936 01:28:04,719 --> 01:28:06,880 grease to the residents of our city with 1937 01:28:06,880 --> 01:28:09,199 respect to any potential charges. Um, 1938 01:28:09,199 --> 01:28:11,199 but sincerely, we heard about all the 1939 01:28:11,199 --> 01:28:13,280 positive impacts from Central Park. I 1940 01:28:13,280 --> 01:28:14,480 would not want to put in place any 1941 01:28:14,480 --> 01:28:16,480 barriers if just referencing my 1942 01:28:16,480 --> 01:28:18,639 upbringing, we did not have a lot. And 1943 01:28:18,639 --> 01:28:20,880 like I stated before, this economic 1944 01:28:20,880 --> 01:28:22,719 climate, regardless of who's at the 1945 01:28:22,719 --> 01:28:25,280 presidency, is requiring a lot of people 1946 01:28:25,280 --> 01:28:26,880 to start evaluating how you're spending 1947 01:28:26,880 --> 01:28:28,800 dollars. And that's regardless of how 1948 01:28:28,800 --> 01:28:31,520 old you are. 1949 01:28:31,520 --> 01:28:34,239 Okay. 1950 01:28:34,239 --> 01:28:38,639 So, um other questions, but um I guess 1951 01:28:38,639 --> 01:28:41,280 did you want to try to um vote on this 1952 01:28:41,280 --> 01:28:45,600 tonight or um wait let people um well I 1953 01:28:45,600 --> 01:28:47,920 mean it was sent out ahead of time u for 1954 01:28:47,920 --> 01:28:50,400 folks to review. But um and you have a 1955 01:28:50,400 --> 01:28:51,840 question. I'm sorry. It's okay. I just 1956 01:28:51,840 --> 01:28:53,199 want to be clear. We're only building on 1957 01:28:53,199 --> 01:28:55,040 the pool policy. The pool rules is very 1958 01:28:55,040 --> 01:28:58,239 separate and need to be done. Yes. by a 1959 01:28:58,239 --> 01:29:00,080 park throughout. That's absolutely 1960 01:29:00,080 --> 01:29:01,920 right. That was um our corporation 1961 01:29:01,920 --> 01:29:05,600 council um did I'm sorry. What's that? 1962 01:29:05,600 --> 01:29:07,520 the that the city council would be 1963 01:29:07,520 --> 01:29:09,760 responsible for the pool policy, but the 1964 01:29:09,760 --> 01:29:12,000 pool rules um are something that the 1965 01:29:12,000 --> 01:29:15,199 staff would decide with our giving us a 1966 01:29:15,199 --> 01:29:16,719 chance to take a look at. Right. The 1967 01:29:16,719 --> 01:29:19,520 city code is is very clear that the 1968 01:29:19,520 --> 01:29:21,679 superintendent of parks does the pool 1969 01:29:21,679 --> 01:29:23,360 rules. 1970 01:29:23,360 --> 01:29:26,000 You can do a resolution endorsing those 1971 01:29:26,000 --> 01:29:28,159 the rules as issued by the park 1972 01:29:28,159 --> 01:29:29,920 commissioner. You can do a resolution 1973 01:29:29,920 --> 01:29:32,639 that would review it and endorse it to 1974 01:29:32,639 --> 01:29:34,480 that. But the the authority to issue 1975 01:29:34,480 --> 01:29:36,639 rules regarding the pool is the parks 1976 01:29:36,639 --> 01:29:39,679 commissioner's authority and but how and 1977 01:29:39,679 --> 01:29:41,760 if you were to charge a fee then that's 1978 01:29:41,760 --> 01:29:43,360 comes within the council's perview 1979 01:29:43,360 --> 01:29:45,440 because then that's that's financing. 1980 01:29:45,440 --> 01:29:47,280 But as far as the issuing rules, the 1981 01:29:47,280 --> 01:29:51,120 chart I mean the code says he's reissues 1982 01:29:51,120 --> 01:29:52,719 the rules, but you can certainly do a 1983 01:29:52,719 --> 01:29:55,440 resolution endorsing those rules if you 1984 01:29:55,440 --> 01:30:01,239 wish. Okay, Mr. Mer. Yeah. Under on proof of residency 1985 01:30:01,239 --> 01:30:04,639 summary residents, anyone over 10 years 1986 01:30:04,639 --> 01:30:08,239 older must provide a skinnity city 1987 01:30:08,239 --> 01:30:09,560 school district for 1988 01:30:09,560 --> 01:30:12,639 joining. We need we need a class. anyone 1989 01:30:12,639 --> 01:30:17,080 over 10 years is are we talking about 1990 01:30:17,080 --> 01:30:20,239 um and you're asking for school ID so 1991 01:30:20,239 --> 01:30:22,159 there should be a cut off in age up to 1992 01:30:22,159 --> 01:30:24,480 18 1993 01:30:24,480 --> 01:30:27,199 will you cut it off at 18 kind of open 1994 01:30:27,199 --> 01:30:29,040 end here it's right cut off at 18 for 1995 01:30:29,040 --> 01:30:30,639 school IDs and after 18 you have to 1996 01:30:30,639 --> 01:30:35,679 produce a driver's license so you would 1997 01:30:35,679 --> 01:30:36,800 have to change you might want to change 1998 01:30:36,800 --> 01:30:39,840 this anyone over must provide you have 1999 01:30:39,840 --> 01:30:42,239 to um or between the ages Basically 2000 01:30:42,239 --> 01:30:44,400 between the age of yeah between the ages 2001 01:30:44,400 --> 01:30:46,320 of 10 and 18 years old you must provide 2002 01:30:46,320 --> 01:30:48,800 school ID over 18 we could kick you back 2003 01:30:48,800 --> 01:30:50,880 to the current regular regular social 2004 01:30:50,880 --> 01:30:55,400 ID. Okay. Yes. Is that school age 2005 01:30:55,400 --> 01:31:02,310 individual school age? 2006 01:31:02,320 --> 01:31:06,679 So, anyone anyone between the 2007 01:31:06,679 --> 01:31:10,159 ages of 10 to 18 must provide a sketchy 2008 01:31:10,159 --> 01:31:12,840 city school district photo 2009 01:31:12,840 --> 01:31:15,679 ID school age? 2010 01:31:15,679 --> 01:31:17,280 Well, the question is what about 2011 01:31:17,280 --> 01:31:18,960 students who like go to charter schools 2012 01:31:18,960 --> 01:31:20,480 or some of the private schools or things 2013 01:31:20,480 --> 01:31:25,510 like that? So, that's so I 2014 01:31:25,520 --> 01:31:27,760 cuz they they're not issued school 2015 01:31:27,760 --> 01:31:31,040 district. did not that was not brought 2016 01:31:31,040 --> 01:31:33,199 up when we had the other meetings. Yeah. 2017 01:31:33,199 --> 01:31:35,760 Any school age because of LA won't have 2018 01:31:35,760 --> 01:31:38,960 a city school district. 2019 01:31:38,960 --> 01:31:41,520 So do they does for example do they have 2020 01:31:41,520 --> 01:31:45,040 a school ID? No. 2021 01:31:45,040 --> 01:31:46,800 Okay. So we'll have to we are going to 2022 01:31:46,800 --> 01:31:48,320 have to go back to the drawing board a 2023 01:31:48,320 --> 01:31:50,159 little bit on that one then I guess. Not 2024 01:31:50,159 --> 01:31:53,239 too much. We need to broaden this 2025 01:31:53,239 --> 01:31:55,080 one to 2026 01:31:55,080 --> 01:31:58,639 bullet. Yeah. 2027 01:31:58,639 --> 01:32:00,719 And again, I think I mean, we we had 2028 01:32:00,719 --> 01:32:03,040 talked about them coming here to get an 2029 01:32:03,040 --> 01:32:06,400 ID um was something else that had 2030 01:32:06,400 --> 01:32:08,480 brought you brought up at I guess two 2031 01:32:08,480 --> 01:32:14,750 meetings ago of health and recreation. 2032 01:32:14,760 --> 01:32:17,440 Mr. No worries. So, I was thinking like 2033 01:32:17,440 --> 01:32:20,000 and also like having the Boys and Girls 2034 01:32:20,000 --> 01:32:23,360 Club as partners in this is a really 2035 01:32:23,360 --> 01:32:25,440 positive thing and I think that they 2036 01:32:25,440 --> 01:32:27,679 know a lot of our our students and our 2037 01:32:27,679 --> 01:32:29,120 kids that are in the community that 2038 01:32:29,120 --> 01:32:31,040 don't necessarily attend Sket City 2039 01:32:31,040 --> 01:32:33,320 School District. So, I think 2040 01:32:33,320 --> 01:32:35,520 maybe if we wanted to like move 2041 01:32:35,520 --> 01:32:37,679 something out tonight, not saying that 2042 01:32:37,679 --> 01:32:39,199 we need to do that, but if we're looking 2043 01:32:39,199 --> 01:32:42,239 to do that, then maybe um adding some 2044 01:32:42,239 --> 01:32:43,840 language that would give some difference 2045 01:32:43,840 --> 01:32:49,600 to them. Um would be I I I think I'd be 2046 01:32:49,600 --> 01:32:53,239 I think that would be okay. I think that could 2047 01:32:53,239 --> 01:32:55,760 allow make it a little more broad. Um 2048 01:32:55,760 --> 01:32:57,760 but if it's something that, you know, we 2049 01:32:57,760 --> 01:33:01,199 want to just bring back and just 2050 01:33:01,199 --> 01:33:03,600 as we brainstorm to come up with another 2051 01:33:03,600 --> 01:33:06,159 form of ID that'd be okay too. I just 2052 01:33:06,159 --> 01:33:08,159 once we put it in the policy then it is 2053 01:33:08,159 --> 01:33:09,600 the policy. So it's almost one of those 2054 01:33:09,600 --> 01:33:12,480 things that we want to have more more 2055 01:33:12,480 --> 01:33:14,360 discretion of our partners 2056 01:33:14,360 --> 01:33:17,760 on board. Um first I appreciate all the 2057 01:33:17,760 --> 01:33:18,960 work and effort that you've put into 2058 01:33:18,960 --> 01:33:21,280 this. Um I do think that we need to like 2059 01:33:21,280 --> 01:33:23,360 try to hammer down or when I say we I 2060 01:33:23,360 --> 01:33:25,040 mean I definitely mean the health and 2061 01:33:25,040 --> 01:33:27,040 recreation committee and I appreciate 2062 01:33:27,040 --> 01:33:29,280 you calling the meetings. Um my 2063 01:33:29,280 --> 01:33:31,360 suggestion is that there with all the 2064 01:33:31,360 --> 01:33:32,960 input that you've received today that we 2065 01:33:32,960 --> 01:33:34,560 just have that one final meeting and ask 2066 01:33:34,560 --> 01:33:35,760 that all I'm going to look at the 2067 01:33:35,760 --> 01:33:38,800 ceiling that all committee members um be 2068 01:33:38,800 --> 01:33:40,480 able to attend and also the boys and 2069 01:33:40,480 --> 01:33:44,719 girls along with our uh the um our parks 2070 01:33:44,719 --> 01:33:46,320 director so that we can hammer it down 2071 01:33:46,320 --> 01:33:49,520 the time is it's April. Yes. And uh so 2072 01:33:49,520 --> 01:33:50,639 we're getting close and we really need 2073 01:33:50,639 --> 01:33:53,520 to get this moved out and so that people 2074 01:33:53,520 --> 01:33:55,760 understand and know and get can get 2075 01:33:55,760 --> 01:33:57,440 prepared and get their ID and everything 2076 01:33:57,440 --> 01:33:59,920 that they need in order to um go by the 2077 01:33:59,920 --> 01:34:02,480 policy rules. So I don't I mean it's up 2078 01:34:02,480 --> 01:34:05,199 to you if you want to try to to 2079 01:34:05,199 --> 01:34:06,560 we'll have another health and recreation 2080 01:34:06,560 --> 01:34:08,800 committee meeting. Um we we'll have to I 2081 01:34:08,800 --> 01:34:10,560 mean I guess to unless you feel 2082 01:34:10,560 --> 01:34:12,400 differently do we need to I mean could 2083 01:34:12,400 --> 01:34:14,000 we just come up with something tonight? 2084 01:34:14,000 --> 01:34:15,600 I mean we've heard a lot of different 2085 01:34:15,600 --> 01:34:16,800 that was the suggestion of the 2086 01:34:16,800 --> 01:34:18,719 corporation. Absolutely. I mean, I do 2087 01:34:18,719 --> 01:34:20,400 want to point out also that all the 2088 01:34:20,400 --> 01:34:22,080 staff showed up as well to the meeting 2089 01:34:22,080 --> 01:34:24,320 last week. So, well, I said you I had 2090 01:34:24,320 --> 01:34:26,320 something else going on, but anyway, it 2091 01:34:26,320 --> 01:34:27,679 doesn't matter. What I'm saying is all 2092 01:34:27,679 --> 01:34:29,440 school age children need some sort of 2093 01:34:29,440 --> 01:34:32,800 ID. If schools don't have that um to 2094 01:34:32,800 --> 01:34:34,239 give to a child, whether they're 2095 01:34:34,239 --> 01:34:37,360 homeschooled, um charter school, charter 2096 01:34:37,360 --> 01:34:39,679 school, Catholic schools, it doesn't 2097 01:34:39,679 --> 01:34:41,840 matter. But if they don't have a student 2098 01:34:41,840 --> 01:34:46,400 ID um then perhaps a note from a parent 2099 01:34:46,400 --> 01:34:48,800 um a note from the school that the child 2100 01:34:48,800 --> 01:34:52,080 can carry with them um without a photo 2101 01:34:52,080 --> 01:34:53,440 attached. I mean it's it's kind of 2102 01:34:53,440 --> 01:34:55,600 simple. There's no matter if we have a 2103 01:34:55,600 --> 01:34:57,280 special meeting or not, we're not going 2104 01:34:57,280 --> 01:34:59,040 to be able to figure that out for 2105 01:34:59,040 --> 01:35:03,440 children who don't have it. So at so not 2106 01:35:03,440 --> 01:35:05,120 this last meeting but the previous 2107 01:35:05,120 --> 01:35:07,760 meeting um is where I brought raised the 2108 01:35:07,760 --> 01:35:08,960 issue around like what about our 2109 01:35:08,960 --> 01:35:11,120 students that go to charter schools and 2110 01:35:11,120 --> 01:35:13,679 my thought then and my thought still is 2111 01:35:13,679 --> 01:35:15,360 that's something that if we give a level 2112 01:35:15,360 --> 01:35:17,520 of difference to our again the whole 2113 01:35:17,520 --> 01:35:19,280 point of having the boys and girls club 2114 01:35:19,280 --> 01:35:22,480 doing this is cuz they have a unique 2115 01:35:22,480 --> 01:35:24,400 yeah they have a unique understanding of 2116 01:35:24,400 --> 01:35:26,159 the community and they have systems in 2117 01:35:26,159 --> 01:35:28,480 places. So, and a lot of the students 2118 01:35:28,480 --> 01:35:31,360 that that don't go to maybe they don't 2119 01:35:31,360 --> 01:35:33,120 go to Skynet City School District, but 2120 01:35:33,120 --> 01:35:34,400 they're a member of the Boys and Girls 2121 01:35:34,400 --> 01:35:35,840 Club, right? Then they have a 2122 01:35:35,840 --> 01:35:37,120 application that has a lot of 2123 01:35:37,120 --> 01:35:38,800 information there. So, I think that the 2124 01:35:38,800 --> 01:35:41,199 way to handle that would be move with 2125 01:35:41,199 --> 01:35:43,120 what we have, but just maybe make a 2126 01:35:43,120 --> 01:35:45,199 amendment to give that um and 2127 01:35:45,199 --> 01:35:46,719 corporation council could help us up 2128 01:35:46,719 --> 01:35:48,080 with the language on that that gives a 2129 01:35:48,080 --> 01:35:49,679 level of difference to our community 2130 01:35:49,679 --> 01:35:54,320 partner. Yeah, Mr. Toro. Um, and I don't 2131 01:35:54,320 --> 01:35:55,840 know how we could reference it in there, 2132 01:35:55,840 --> 01:35:57,960 but the sheriff's department also gives 2133 01:35:57,960 --> 01:36:01,280 IDs. Um, right, fingerprints and IDs. 2134 01:36:01,280 --> 01:36:03,840 Somehow we can reference that in there. 2135 01:36:03,840 --> 01:36:06,480 Um, for school age children who don't 2136 01:36:06,480 --> 01:36:10,400 attend a city school, 2137 01:36:10,400 --> 01:36:12,880 Miss Porterfield, Miss Porterfield, 2138 01:36:12,880 --> 01:36:14,639 sorry, that I think that's a really good 2139 01:36:14,639 --> 01:36:16,719 suggestion. And again, I think it's I 2140 01:36:16,719 --> 01:36:18,320 still think we need to like bring it all 2141 01:36:18,320 --> 01:36:21,120 in and have it like concise. Um and I 2142 01:36:21,120 --> 01:36:23,840 also skinnity county the job um training 2143 01:36:23,840 --> 01:36:27,280 agency does IDs they you know for for 2144 01:36:27,280 --> 01:36:30,000 summer youth program. So can we since we 2145 01:36:30,000 --> 01:36:31,679 have these partners who already do these 2146 01:36:31,679 --> 01:36:33,199 things make sure that we get our 2147 01:36:33,199 --> 01:36:34,880 partners on board to make and like if 2148 01:36:34,880 --> 01:36:36,719 you have a child that doesn't go to a 2149 01:36:36,719 --> 01:36:38,080 school where they give an ID you could 2150 01:36:38,080 --> 01:36:39,920 take your child to this place or that 2151 01:36:39,920 --> 01:36:42,320 place. So I think that we need to like 2152 01:36:42,320 --> 01:36:44,639 um like determine that get our partners 2153 01:36:44,639 --> 01:36:46,880 on board with it as we move forward with 2154 01:36:46,880 --> 01:36:48,560 that. That's that's my suggestion. Well, 2155 01:36:48,560 --> 01:36:50,080 the Boys and Girls Club would be the 2156 01:36:50,080 --> 01:36:53,119 best. Um, because you know, uh, Bill's 2157 01:36:53,119 --> 01:36:54,800 been working really closely with Julie 2158 01:36:54,800 --> 01:36:58,080 who oversees this program for us. Uh, in 2159 01:36:58,080 --> 01:37:00,239 the summer, we could actually reach out 2160 01:37:00,239 --> 01:37:02,159 maybe to the charter schools and inform 2161 01:37:02,159 --> 01:37:03,840 what agencies where they could get an ID 2162 01:37:03,840 --> 01:37:05,600 before we get going on the season. If 2163 01:37:05,600 --> 01:37:07,360 you would like to use our pool, we must 2164 01:37:07,360 --> 01:37:09,440 contact this agency to get an ID to come 2165 01:37:09,440 --> 01:37:11,760 to the pool this summer. Yeah. And we 2166 01:37:11,760 --> 01:37:14,400 charge the dasis. I I think we're 2167 01:37:14,400 --> 01:37:17,600 overthinking that. I think we have I we 2168 01:37:17,600 --> 01:37:19,520 just have language in there that says 2169 01:37:19,520 --> 01:37:21,760 these are these are all acceptable forms 2170 01:37:21,760 --> 01:37:24,719 of ID but not limited to and then give 2171 01:37:24,719 --> 01:37:26,800 the Boys and Girls Club the difference 2172 01:37:26,800 --> 01:37:30,480 to say okay Jimmy you go to this charter 2173 01:37:30,480 --> 01:37:32,080 school. I know that cuz you're a club 2174 01:37:32,080 --> 01:37:34,320 member come on in you. If we give them 2175 01:37:34,320 --> 01:37:35,679 that difference then we don't have to 2176 01:37:35,679 --> 01:37:38,080 try to figure out all the intricate 2177 01:37:38,080 --> 01:37:39,360 pieces that we're not going to be able 2178 01:37:39,360 --> 01:37:41,239 to figure out anyway. I think we leaving 2179 01:37:41,239 --> 01:37:43,960 it with enough 2180 01:37:43,960 --> 01:37:46,480 uh enough space for boys and boys and 2181 01:37:46,480 --> 01:37:48,159 girls to do what they're experts at 2182 01:37:48,159 --> 01:37:49,520 doing. Then we move it out and we're 2183 01:37:49,520 --> 01:37:53,270 good. Okay. 2184 01:37:53,280 --> 01:37:56,719 Mr. I was going to recommend that um if 2185 01:37:56,719 --> 01:37:58,560 they don't have an ID, why don't we put 2186 01:37:58,560 --> 01:38:00,400 the language in there in terms of like a 2187 01:38:00,400 --> 01:38:03,199 male with that child name? We can 2188 01:38:03,199 --> 01:38:05,199 substitute that also. So a proof of 2189 01:38:05,199 --> 01:38:07,280 residency. So here is a male. Well, how 2190 01:38:07,280 --> 01:38:10,080 do we know that you're male? Yeah. 2191 01:38:10,080 --> 01:38:11,520 We only had that one. So we wanted to 2192 01:38:11,520 --> 01:38:14,199 say we can bring a utility 2193 01:38:14,199 --> 01:38:17,440 bill in. I mean like some medical no you 2194 01:38:17,440 --> 01:38:20,639 know insurance card some sort of things 2195 01:38:20,639 --> 01:38:23,440 like that can be substituted 2196 01:38:23,440 --> 01:38:26,880 insurance card or or just to you know 2197 01:38:26,880 --> 01:38:30,000 just as I stated earlier the 2198 01:38:30,000 --> 01:38:32,639 superintendent has the authority already 2199 01:38:32,639 --> 01:38:37,040 and just blank language as such other ID 2200 01:38:37,040 --> 01:38:39,840 that the superintendent parts deems 2201 01:38:39,840 --> 01:38:42,239 suitable 2202 01:38:42,239 --> 01:38:43,679 and then we just write that into this 2203 01:38:43,679 --> 01:38:45,119 policy. 2204 01:38:45,119 --> 01:38:47,840 Okay. So, we'll get something from you 2205 01:38:47,840 --> 01:38:49,920 if that's okay. You and I can we'll sit 2206 01:38:49,920 --> 01:38:51,600 down. That way the superintendent of 2207 01:38:51,600 --> 01:38:53,040 course can work with the corporation 2208 01:38:53,040 --> 01:38:55,080 council's office as to that would be 2209 01:38:55,080 --> 01:38:57,440 great cuz that was I mean you know the 2210 01:38:57,440 --> 01:39:00,239 language as you see here I did um run it 2211 01:39:00,239 --> 01:39:02,320 through the corporation council's office 2212 01:39:02,320 --> 01:39:05,600 um for tonight too. So um that would be 2213 01:39:05,600 --> 01:39:09,560 great and we can talk as well. But 2214 01:39:09,560 --> 01:39:11,840 so are we bringing back this back in two 2215 01:39:11,840 --> 01:39:13,600 weeks? Is that what you're saying? Um, I 2216 01:39:13,600 --> 01:39:15,600 think that sounds like we're going to 2217 01:39:15,600 --> 01:39:17,360 have to bring it back in two weeks. Um, 2218 01:39:17,360 --> 01:39:18,960 that still gives us time. Remember, we 2219 01:39:18,960 --> 01:39:21,280 did start in the fall, uh, knowing that 2220 01:39:21,280 --> 01:39:23,040 we wanted to make sure that this was 2221 01:39:23,040 --> 01:39:24,480 going to be in place before the pool 2222 01:39:24,480 --> 01:39:26,239 opens. 2223 01:39:26,239 --> 01:39:29,920 So, Mr. Mayor, why why why hold it for 2224 01:39:29,920 --> 01:39:31,440 two weeks? I think you have the language 2225 01:39:31,440 --> 01:39:34,400 already that you wanted to put in this 2226 01:39:34,400 --> 01:39:36,880 area. So, just amend it as is with the 2227 01:39:36,880 --> 01:39:39,920 language and move it forward. Amend it. 2228 01:39:39,920 --> 01:39:41,840 Well, we'll amend that one bullet in 2229 01:39:41,840 --> 01:39:44,639 terms of between the ages of 10 and 18. 2230 01:39:44,639 --> 01:39:46,239 Um, and then we will have to future 2231 01:39:46,239 --> 01:39:49,760 amend it though when we um 2232 01:39:49,760 --> 01:39:51,520 in terms of the other acceptable forms 2233 01:39:51,520 --> 01:39:52,760 of 2234 01:39:52,760 --> 01:39:59,920 ID put that into the rules instead of the policy. The ideal 2235 01:39:59,920 --> 01:40:03,840 ID is a New York State driver's license. 2236 01:40:03,840 --> 01:40:06,800 Really kids as early as 16 can start to 2237 01:40:06,800 --> 01:40:09,199 get a driver's license. you know, it's 2238 01:40:09,199 --> 01:40:11,600 by 18 a higher percentage have it. So, 2239 01:40:11,600 --> 01:40:14,870 it's 2240 01:40:14,880 --> 01:40:17,679 the folk group that I think Yeah, I 2241 01:40:17,679 --> 01:40:19,199 think our focus is more on the younger 2242 01:40:19,199 --> 01:40:22,080 ones and how they get it. So, and so 2243 01:40:22,080 --> 01:40:24,159 some are going to have school IDs or 2244 01:40:24,159 --> 01:40:26,719 they're going to be with an adult. 2245 01:40:26,719 --> 01:40:28,400 They're that young. They're not just 2246 01:40:28,400 --> 01:40:30,000 coming over to the pool by themselves. 2247 01:40:30,000 --> 01:40:32,000 So, we're not going to let them in. 2248 01:40:32,000 --> 01:40:33,760 That's true. So, that's true. I 2249 01:40:33,760 --> 01:40:35,040 recommend you just I'm not a committee 2250 01:40:35,040 --> 01:40:36,400 but I just my recommendation to move 2251 01:40:36,400 --> 01:40:38,320 forward what it to discuss and move 2252 01:40:38,320 --> 01:40:40,400 forward for two weeks you get to work 2253 01:40:40,400 --> 01:40:42,719 hard on this back and forth for several 2254 01:40:42,719 --> 01:40:44,639 meetings why another meeting when it's 2255 01:40:44,639 --> 01:40:47,679 only a small amount of um language that 2256 01:40:47,679 --> 01:40:50,400 needs to be added okay so with the I was 2257 01:40:50,400 --> 01:40:52,119 going to ask for a motion so 2258 01:40:52,119 --> 01:40:55,040 Mur second no I just have a question so 2259 01:40:55,040 --> 01:40:56,080 we're going to see the language 2260 01:40:56,080 --> 01:40:58,960 completed before um before we actually 2261 01:40:58,960 --> 01:41:01,600 Yes. Okay, that's my question. And and 2262 01:41:01,600 --> 01:41:03,360 just to the other point, some uh I heard 2263 01:41:03,360 --> 01:41:05,280 it said that, you know, there it's going 2264 01:41:05,280 --> 01:41:07,040 to not be younger kids. According to 2265 01:41:07,040 --> 01:41:09,520 this pool policy, there are anybody 2266 01:41:09,520 --> 01:41:12,320 that's 10 or over can come with 90. So, 2267 01:41:12,320 --> 01:41:13,760 it is going to be some 10 year olds or 2268 01:41:13,760 --> 01:41:16,000 12 year olds or whatever who are coming 2269 01:41:16,000 --> 01:41:19,320 and they need to come with something and 2270 01:41:19,320 --> 01:41:21,600 not most of those we're assuming 2271 01:41:21,600 --> 01:41:22,880 connected to school district kids that 2272 01:41:22,880 --> 01:41:25,840 we already know is in their system. 2273 01:41:25,840 --> 01:41:27,600 To Mr. Froley's point, the charter 2274 01:41:27,600 --> 01:41:29,199 schools didn't think about that. We have 2275 01:41:29,199 --> 01:41:30,560 other school kids that are not in the 2276 01:41:30,560 --> 01:41:32,159 school system here that might show up at 2277 01:41:32,159 --> 01:41:34,239 the pool. Yeah. How about for uh 2278 01:41:34,239 --> 01:41:38,440 Catholic schools? Do they same thing? Um 2279 01:41:38,440 --> 01:41:41,520 just Catholic schools. All right. So, 2280 01:41:41,520 --> 01:41:44,000 Miss Duro moved it. Can I get a second? 2281 01:41:44,000 --> 01:41:46,000 Sure. And we're seconding it with the 2282 01:41:46,000 --> 01:41:49,440 language to say that the age requirement 2283 01:41:49,440 --> 01:41:51,199 we're going to craft the age requirement 2284 01:41:51,199 --> 01:41:53,199 and then it's going to also include the 2285 01:41:53,199 --> 01:41:57,440 fact that these are accepted uh forms of 2286 01:41:57,440 --> 01:42:01,870 ID but not limited to or and 2287 01:42:01,880 --> 01:42:05,119 or the oneonone with adult is allowed on 2288 01:42:05,119 --> 01:42:08,159 adult guest. Okay. Yes. So that would 2289 01:42:08,159 --> 01:42:10,000 have to be part of the acceptable forms 2290 01:42:10,000 --> 01:42:13,840 of ID will put into rules. Okay. Okay. 2291 01:42:13,840 --> 01:42:22,560 So all in favor I miss Petro. Okay. All right. So 2292 01:42:22,560 --> 01:42:24,239 there's nothing further to come. Thank 2293 01:42:24,239 --> 01:42:26,400 you very much. There's nothing further 2294 01:42:26,400 --> 01:42:29,280 to come before health and recreation. Um 2295 01:42:29,280 --> 01:42:37,080 motion to second. Okay. All in favor? I thank you very much. That was nice. 2296 01:42:37,080 --> 01:42:39,679 Okay. Call to order finance. The first 2297 01:42:39,679 --> 01:42:48,440 item is update purchasing policy. 2298 01:42:48,450 --> 01:42:51,360 [Music] 2299 01:42:51,360 --> 01:42:53,639 Hi. Cool. Good 2300 01:42:53,639 --> 01:42:57,199 evening. So, a little background. The uh 2301 01:42:57,199 --> 01:42:59,360 purchasing policy expired um December 2302 01:42:59,360 --> 01:43:03,199 31st of 2024. Uh we're looking to update 2303 01:43:03,199 --> 01:43:07,040 the purchasing policy for a 2-year deal. 2304 01:43:07,040 --> 01:43:09,440 um the evaluation analysis of the 2305 01:43:09,440 --> 01:43:11,280 updated sections. There's three sections 2306 01:43:11,280 --> 01:43:13,600 that have updated the determination of 2307 01:43:13,600 --> 01:43:15,840 need for competitive bidding purchasing 2308 01:43:15,840 --> 01:43:18,360 requirements procedures for the overall 2309 01:43:18,360 --> 01:43:20,880 purchases. Um so I recommend the city 2310 01:43:20,880 --> 01:43:23,440 council approved the 20 25 to 26 2311 01:43:23,440 --> 01:43:26,560 purchasing policy there questions. Is 2312 01:43:26,560 --> 01:43:30,119 there a copy of that? 2313 01:43:30,119 --> 01:43:33,520 Yeah. It should be in it in your box a 2314 01:43:33,520 --> 01:43:37,080 separate separate document. 2315 01:43:37,080 --> 01:43:45,470 purchases 2316 01:43:45,480 --> 01:43:48,990 yesterday. You 2317 01:43:49,000 --> 01:43:51,400 have 2318 01:43:51,400 --> 01:43:57,070 one box, right? I have 2319 01:43:57,080 --> 01:43:59,719 one 2320 01:43:59,719 --> 01:44:03,520 box in the content. 2321 01:44:03,520 --> 01:44:04,960 They should be they should be printed 2322 01:44:04,960 --> 01:44:21,790 this month. I'm just going to go grab 2323 01:44:21,800 --> 01:44:29,310 it. Would you 2324 01:44:29,320 --> 01:44:33,350 say anything? 2325 01:44:33,360 --> 01:44:37,480 There's nothing that has been uh taken 2326 01:44:37,480 --> 01:44:43,149 out. So everything highlighted in 2327 01:44:43,159 --> 01:45:07,109 yellow. Okay. 2328 01:45:07,119 --> 01:45:17,189 No, it's not. 2329 01:45:17,199 --> 01:45:34,149 You're searching every single page. 2330 01:45:34,159 --> 01:45:37,330 This is 2331 01:45:37,340 --> 01:45:49,709 [Music] 2332 01:45:49,719 --> 01:45:55,510 not the 2333 01:45:55,520 --> 01:45:57,870 They're 2334 01:45:57,880 --> 01:46:00,159 not they're not there's like a lot of 2335 01:46:00,159 --> 01:46:01,639 kids 2336 01:46:01,639 --> 01:46:04,560 living and they all cherish schools in 2337 01:46:04,560 --> 01:46:06,080 Albany. 2338 01:46:06,080 --> 01:46:08,199 Sure. Yes. 2339 01:46:08,199 --> 01:46:13,520 Troy Gabby's boyfriend's kids go there. 2340 01:46:13,520 --> 01:46:28,550 All right. Again, I think 2341 01:46:28,560 --> 01:46:47,910 That's how much you probably 2342 01:46:47,920 --> 01:46:49,920 Joe, is that your handwriting? Yeah, 2343 01:46:49,920 --> 01:46:51,239 that's my 2344 01:46:51,239 --> 01:46:56,520 notes. This is a code. No one else 2345 01:46:56,520 --> 01:47:01,400 can. Only I can decipher this. 2346 01:47:01,400 --> 01:47:33,950 What? Sorry. 2347 01:47:33,960 --> 01:47:47,149 Oh, magnetic stuff. My wrist 2348 01:47:47,159 --> 01:47:50,660 stuff. Heat. Heat. 2349 01:47:50,660 --> 01:47:59,990 [Music] 2350 01:48:00,000 --> 01:48:08,189 It's 2351 01:48:08,199 --> 01:48:46,629 just glam. 2352 01:48:46,639 --> 01:49:03,669 Don't you see this right now? 2353 01:49:03,679 --> 01:49:05,400 We just got 2354 01:49:05,400 --> 01:49:14,950 these today. 2355 01:49:14,960 --> 01:49:17,960 Thank you. Does everyone have a copy 2356 01:49:17,960 --> 01:49:19,880 now? I 2357 01:49:19,880 --> 01:49:24,320 don't have mirror, huh? Yes, I do. I 2358 01:49:24,320 --> 01:49:32,920 have coverage here. Okay. 2359 01:49:32,920 --> 01:49:38,960 So, this this document came this this evening um to the council. So, we 2360 01:49:38,960 --> 01:49:40,960 didn't get a chance to to review these 2361 01:49:40,960 --> 01:49:42,560 documents, 2362 01:49:42,560 --> 01:49:45,920 early afternoon. Um the majority of the 2363 01:49:45,920 --> 01:49:48,719 policy is the same as previous years. 2364 01:49:48,719 --> 01:49:51,040 There's just three sections within the 2365 01:49:51,040 --> 01:49:55,040 document that updated. Um one is the 2366 01:49:55,040 --> 01:49:56,480 back language that allows the 2367 01:49:56,480 --> 01:49:58,159 municipalities 2368 01:49:58,159 --> 01:50:01,040 um to leverage the existing contracts 2369 01:50:01,040 --> 01:50:04,239 that the city has. Um and I just want to 2370 01:50:04,239 --> 01:50:08,000 say too we had Ron Gardner um our 2371 01:50:08,000 --> 01:50:09,360 corporation council assistant 2372 01:50:09,360 --> 01:50:12,080 corporation council and Sarah used the 2373 01:50:12,080 --> 01:50:14,639 supervisor these documents and uh 2374 01:50:14,639 --> 01:50:19,590 everyone approved the updated changes. 2375 01:50:19,600 --> 01:50:21,840 So is that the changes you just 2376 01:50:21,840 --> 01:50:23,280 highlighted there or can you walk us 2377 01:50:23,280 --> 01:50:25,520 through the changes? 2378 01:50:25,520 --> 01:50:29,679 So yep on page three is the piggyback 2379 01:50:29,679 --> 01:50:32,400 language. Uh currently the city is able 2380 01:50:32,400 --> 01:50:34,400 to piggy back on other municipalities. 2381 01:50:34,400 --> 01:50:35,840 It just gives opportunity other 2382 01:50:35,840 --> 01:50:43,149 municipalities to piggy back on our 2383 01:50:43,159 --> 01:50:46,159 contracts. Um so if we have a contract 2384 01:50:46,159 --> 01:50:49,199 out there say for example this vehicle 2385 01:50:49,199 --> 01:50:51,600 the specs if it meets their specs and 2386 01:50:51,600 --> 01:50:53,280 their guidelines they can go up our 2387 01:50:53,280 --> 01:50:54,800 contract without pushing something new 2388 01:50:54,800 --> 01:51:02,470 out. 2389 01:51:02,480 --> 01:51:06,590 Sometimes the county 2390 01:51:06,600 --> 01:51:08,360 pays 2391 01:51:08,360 --> 01:51:09,960 for 2392 01:51:09,960 --> 01:51:12,679 whatever. So it's just applicable to the 2393 01:51:12,679 --> 01:51:15,040 city or if you're doing other similar 2394 01:51:15,040 --> 01:51:18,960 work that makes sense. Uh the next 2395 01:51:18,960 --> 01:51:22,679 section on page six is regards 2396 01:51:22,679 --> 01:51:26,639 MWD. Again, Ron Gardner from the ration 2397 01:51:26,639 --> 01:51:29,280 officer review this and it's okay with 2398 01:51:29,280 --> 01:51:34,390 the updates. 2399 01:51:34,400 --> 01:51:36,480 Yeah. Go ahead, please. Yeah. And Mr. 2400 01:51:36,480 --> 01:51:38,000 Chairman, this language that you see 2401 01:51:38,000 --> 01:51:40,159 highlighted in that portion is taken 2402 01:51:40,159 --> 01:51:43,920 from county uh purchasing policy which 2403 01:51:43,920 --> 01:51:45,679 references the federal regulations and 2404 01:51:45,679 --> 01:51:48,159 the regular and as well as the contract 2405 01:51:48,159 --> 01:51:51,520 system and the uh the listings in which 2406 01:51:51,520 --> 01:51:55,280 the uh purchases uh and approved uh 2407 01:51:55,280 --> 01:51:57,760 vendors come from. So this is mirroring 2408 01:51:57,760 --> 01:52:00,639 their language um regarding what they 2409 01:52:00,639 --> 01:52:02,800 use and I think it's sufficient to 2410 01:52:02,800 --> 01:52:07,550 comply with state federal 2411 01:52:07,560 --> 01:52:11,040 regulations. Go ahead. Uh correct me if 2412 01:52:11,040 --> 01:52:12,719 I'm wrong. I believe Mr. Gardner was 2413 01:52:12,719 --> 01:52:14,320 last year you talked about including 2414 01:52:14,320 --> 01:52:16,719 like an index or a column that 2415 01:52:16,719 --> 01:52:19,760 essentially gave a grade to bids. Is 2416 01:52:19,760 --> 01:52:22,119 that applicable to this or am I 2417 01:52:22,119 --> 01:52:24,639 misunderstanding what this is? I'm 2418 01:52:24,639 --> 01:52:27,599 sorry. you gave a grade. Uh so when he 2419 01:52:27,599 --> 01:52:29,280 previously was here, he talked about if 2420 01:52:29,280 --> 01:52:31,440 we were able to identify a score with 2421 01:52:31,440 --> 01:52:33,880 respect to uh 2422 01:52:33,880 --> 01:52:37,560 bears meeting the NWB requirements or 2423 01:52:37,560 --> 01:52:39,679 expectations. That's just an additional 2424 01:52:39,679 --> 01:52:42,400 way to just capture that comparatively 2425 01:52:42,400 --> 01:52:46,430 to all other 2426 01:52:46,440 --> 01:52:48,800 bits. This is these are the approved 2427 01:52:48,800 --> 01:52:51,520 vendors from the state. So I know that 2428 01:52:51,520 --> 01:52:53,840 Mr. garden did look at this piece and he 2429 01:52:53,840 --> 01:53:02,990 was okay with this language. 2430 01:53:03,000 --> 01:53:05,599 So just glad you brought it up because 2431 01:53:05,599 --> 01:53:07,840 um Mr. Gardner had also mentioned um 2432 01:53:07,840 --> 01:53:10,800 popping it up from $300,000 to $500,000 2433 01:53:10,800 --> 01:53:13,440 when you did the presentation to us a 2434 01:53:13,440 --> 01:53:16,000 few weeks ago. So I'm still seeing here 2435 01:53:16,000 --> 01:53:20,080 on page five section three is 300,000. 2436 01:53:20,080 --> 01:53:22,880 He asked for us to consider raising up 2437 01:53:22,880 --> 01:53:24,920 to 2438 01:53:24,920 --> 01:53:28,000 $500,000. And then under section four, I 2439 01:53:28,000 --> 01:53:30,560 came back in couple years ago, we had 2440 01:53:30,560 --> 01:53:34,320 changed the word goals requirement. So 2441 01:53:34,320 --> 01:53:37,119 I'm not sure why again he reviewed the 2442 01:53:37,119 --> 01:53:38,599 document 2443 01:53:38,599 --> 01:53:42,320 um but two weeks, three weeks ago now um 2444 01:53:42,320 --> 01:53:44,560 and was okay with all the language um so 2445 01:53:44,560 --> 01:53:46,159 he didn't mention any of that tonight. 2446 01:53:46,159 --> 01:53:48,320 Yeah, cuz we had changed it back and not 2447 01:53:48,320 --> 01:53:51,520 using the the word go because it's kind 2448 01:53:51,520 --> 01:53:55,440 of like soft language requirement more 2449 01:53:55,440 --> 01:53:57,800 and we had adopted that a couple years 2450 01:53:57,800 --> 01:54:00,800 ago. So I would like to see that those 2451 01:54:00,800 --> 01:54:03,520 I'm not aware of that. Yes, this 2452 01:54:03,520 --> 01:54:05,159 policies Mr. 2453 01:54:05,159 --> 01:54:10,320 Chairman goals are current. 2454 01:54:10,320 --> 01:54:12,000 unhighlight is what's in the current 2455 01:54:12,000 --> 01:54:14,639 policy. Correct. Correct. And the 2456 01:54:14,639 --> 01:54:18,239 current policy speaks to those. 2457 01:54:18,239 --> 01:54:20,000 Yes. 2458 01:54:20,000 --> 01:54:22,400 Well, I think there were some there were 2459 01:54:22,400 --> 01:54:24,159 some other documents that highlight that 2460 01:54:24,159 --> 01:54:26,800 when we were approving this a few years 2461 01:54:26,800 --> 01:54:33,830 ago. 2462 01:54:33,840 --> 01:54:37,599 Isn't it in number three? 2463 01:54:37,599 --> 01:54:39,280 Oh, that's where he wanted to make it. 2464 01:54:39,280 --> 01:54:41,440 Yeah, that's where he asked that we 2465 01:54:41,440 --> 01:55:00,629 should consider upping it to 500,000. 2466 01:55:00,639 --> 01:55:02,080 and I would like to see that we consider 2467 01:55:02,080 --> 01:55:03,679 since we have this document here section 2468 01:55:03,679 --> 01:55:09,070 4 we replace the word 2469 01:55:09,080 --> 01:55:13,080 requirement Mr. Yeah. Um, 2470 01:55:13,080 --> 01:55:16,960 so I'm not sure. Um, I know that we just 2471 01:55:16,960 --> 01:55:18,639 received this today. Is this something 2472 01:55:18,639 --> 01:55:22,000 that maybe we can bring back and give us 2473 01:55:22,000 --> 01:55:24,480 opportunities? Yeah, thank you. That was 2474 01:55:24,480 --> 01:55:25,920 one of the reason why I asked that we 2475 01:55:25,920 --> 01:55:28,040 only got this document uh, you 2476 01:55:28,040 --> 01:55:30,400 know, midafter afternoon, late 2477 01:55:30,400 --> 01:55:32,000 afternoon, doesn't matter. We should 2478 01:55:32,000 --> 01:55:33,199 have got it over the weekend and we 2479 01:55:33,199 --> 01:55:34,560 could have review it and come up with 2480 01:55:34,560 --> 01:55:36,880 our recommendation. So I don't have a 2481 01:55:36,880 --> 01:55:38,560 problem because two weeks and come back 2482 01:55:38,560 --> 01:55:40,400 with it and come up with all this 2483 01:55:40,400 --> 01:55:42,159 petition because right now we're just 2484 01:55:42,159 --> 01:55:44,400 we're running here trying to piece it 2485 01:55:44,400 --> 01:55:45,560 together 2486 01:55:45,560 --> 01:55:48,080 here and I just want us to incorporate 2487 01:55:48,080 --> 01:55:51,119 what Mr. Gardner told us few weeks ago 2488 01:55:51,119 --> 01:55:53,360 what is recommendation that you want to 2489 01:55:53,360 --> 01:55:56,000 see in the policy. So I think that needs 2490 01:55:56,000 --> 01:56:00,320 to be considered we could ask the 2491 01:56:00,320 --> 01:56:03,040 Again I want to say that Ron Gardner was 2492 01:56:03,040 --> 01:56:04,800 involved in this process. We had a 2493 01:56:04,800 --> 01:56:06,800 meeting with him. He was okay with all 2494 01:56:06,800 --> 01:56:13,629 the language within this document. 2495 01:56:13,639 --> 01:56:16,960 Mr. He's okay with with the 300,000, but 2496 01:56:16,960 --> 01:56:18,639 then he asked us a few weeks ago for 2497 01:56:18,639 --> 01:56:22,719 500,000. So, I'm kind of like where he 2498 01:56:22,719 --> 01:56:24,719 stands. He's presenting a document to us 2499 01:56:24,719 --> 01:56:27,320 asking us for 500,000. I hear we have 2500 01:56:27,320 --> 01:56:30,000 300,000. We could provide emails saying 2501 01:56:30,000 --> 01:56:32,480 he's perfectly okay with this language. 2502 01:56:32,480 --> 01:56:39,470 Well, I 2503 01:56:39,480 --> 01:56:42,040 could I was just saying just 2504 01:56:42,040 --> 01:56:44,880 so please. 2505 01:56:44,880 --> 01:56:46,560 So, I was going to say just that we 2506 01:56:46,560 --> 01:56:48,400 would I would like to see in writing 2507 01:56:48,400 --> 01:56:50,080 that I don't believe you, but um that 2508 01:56:50,080 --> 01:56:51,840 you know where Mr. Garin was with this 2509 01:56:51,840 --> 01:56:55,840 and also have him present because I'm not clear on why he said 500,000 a 2510 01:56:55,840 --> 01:56:58,400 few a couple weeks ago and now um it's 2511 01:56:58,400 --> 01:56:59,599 the beginning of this. If something's 2512 01:56:59,599 --> 01:57:01,760 changed, that's fine. However, I just 2513 01:57:01,760 --> 01:57:03,599 would like a little bit more clarity and 2514 01:57:03,599 --> 01:57:06,080 um I also have to agree that I would 2515 01:57:06,080 --> 01:57:07,440 like a little bit more time than I 2516 01:57:07,440 --> 01:57:09,199 didn't have time today to really go 2517 01:57:09,199 --> 01:57:12,360 through it. I do appreciate you coming 2518 01:57:12,360 --> 01:57:24,109 and with 2519 01:57:24,119 --> 01:57:26,400 us just waiting to see where you are 2520 01:57:26,400 --> 01:57:28,480 with this. Any other question regarding 2521 01:57:28,480 --> 01:57:29,679 this? I'm recommending that we hold this 2522 01:57:29,679 --> 01:57:33,119 for 2 weeks. I I I can't in the f do 2523 01:57:33,119 --> 01:57:35,280 this because I I have some changes that 2524 01:57:35,280 --> 01:57:38,320 I would like to review this and to make 2525 01:57:38,320 --> 01:57:41,440 recommendation and to also look at um 2526 01:57:41,440 --> 01:57:43,520 Mr. Gard document that he presented to 2527 01:57:43,520 --> 01:57:46,480 us and if he is okay with 300,000 we 2528 01:57:46,480 --> 01:57:50,840 just need to to get that 2529 01:57:50,840 --> 01:57:54,830 information. 2530 01:57:54,840 --> 01:57:57,119 So I'm in agreement. I remember the 2531 01:57:57,119 --> 01:57:58,719 extended conversation we had about 2532 01:57:58,719 --> 01:58:00,320 including that additional column that I 2533 01:58:00,320 --> 01:58:03,520 was looking forward to. So to hear that wasn't included for whatever 2534 01:58:03,520 --> 01:58:05,520 reason. I would appreciate hearing that 2535 01:58:05,520 --> 01:58:08,480 from Mr. Gardner and no slight to you. 2536 01:58:08,480 --> 01:58:12,639 Um but I was sincerely just it was a few 2537 01:58:12,639 --> 01:58:14,280 minutes him back and forth with Mr. 2538 01:58:14,280 --> 01:58:16,560 poorly and I'm happy to agree with 2539 01:58:16,560 --> 01:58:19,199 wanting to see that or him applying just 2540 01:58:19,199 --> 01:58:22,480 a gradient to understand how intentional 2541 01:58:22,480 --> 01:58:24,560 companies were being at adhering to 2542 01:58:24,560 --> 01:58:26,960 these expectations. 2543 01:58:26,960 --> 01:58:29,119 I agree. All right. So, we'll have us 2544 01:58:29,119 --> 01:58:30,199 back in two 2545 01:58:30,199 --> 01:58:32,560 weeks. The next item we'll just have you 2546 01:58:32,560 --> 01:58:38,550 there is a 2025 budget reappropriation. 2547 01:58:38,560 --> 01:58:41,760 Okay. Um the city council uh just a 2548 01:58:41,760 --> 01:58:43,679 little accessory city council authorized 2549 01:58:43,679 --> 01:58:46,040 resolution uh 2550 01:58:46,040 --> 01:58:48,800 2023195 and lease agreement purchase the 2551 01:58:48,800 --> 01:58:51,159 bleach into October 2552 01:58:51,159 --> 01:58:55,520 2023. Um we have not received the trucks 2553 01:58:55,520 --> 01:58:59,280 as of yet but we anticipate uh an aerial 2554 01:58:59,280 --> 01:59:01,840 by the end of 2025 and the pumpers two 2555 01:59:01,840 --> 01:59:04,639 pumpers by early 2026. 2556 01:59:04,639 --> 01:59:07,960 uh we did not appropriate the funds for 2557 01:59:07,960 --> 01:59:10,639 2025. Uh so it's not within the budget 2558 01:59:10,639 --> 01:59:11,840 adopted budget. So we have to 2559 01:59:11,840 --> 01:59:14,520 appropriate approximately 2560 01:59:14,520 --> 01:59:18,080 $621,700 to pay for two payments. One in 2561 01:59:18,080 --> 01:59:20,320 April, end of April and the other in 2562 01:59:20,320 --> 01:59:23,119 October of 2025. As you can see in the 2563 01:59:23,119 --> 01:59:25,360 evaluation analysis in your legislative 2564 01:59:25,360 --> 01:59:27,639 request, you can see uh the budget 2565 01:59:27,639 --> 01:59:30,159 reappropriation. Um it is re recommended 2566 01:59:30,159 --> 01:59:32,159 the city council approve this 2567 01:59:32,159 --> 01:59:35,270 reappropriation. 2568 01:59:35,280 --> 01:59:38,599 This is all the payments for correct. 2569 01:59:38,599 --> 01:59:42,320 There's I believe I also sent the lease 2570 01:59:42,320 --> 01:59:44,320 agreement to the city council with the 2571 01:59:44,320 --> 01:59:49,239 payment schedule. Yes. So there are 10 2572 01:59:49,239 --> 01:59:52,159 payments 11 payments. Uh so 10 payments 2573 01:59:52,159 --> 01:59:55,199 of 310 850 and 7 cents and then there's 2574 01:59:55,199 --> 01:59:57,199 one balloon pay balloon payment of 1 2575 01:59:57,199 --> 02:00:01,119 million. um 100,000 approximately. So 2576 02:00:01,119 --> 02:00:03,280 with that said, this going to cause an 2577 02:00:03,280 --> 02:00:12,030 increase to our 2025 budget by 2578 02:00:12,040 --> 02:00:15,520 621,7 questions, please. So you said 2579 02:00:15,520 --> 02:00:18,320 that we um I see because I looked at the 2580 02:00:18,320 --> 02:00:20,599 uh the lease agreement 2581 02:00:20,599 --> 02:00:24,960 um and on on exhibit C there is a number 2582 02:00:24,960 --> 02:00:26,880 four that said they would require will 2583 02:00:26,880 --> 02:00:28,400 be acquired with due diligence and be 2584 02:00:28,400 --> 02:00:30,000 fully acquired on it before and then it 2585 02:00:30,000 --> 02:00:31,920 says November and nothing more. So we 2586 02:00:31,920 --> 02:00:35,199 don't know what would follow that. Um so 2587 02:00:35,199 --> 02:00:36,880 you said we should have one by the end 2588 02:00:36,880 --> 02:00:39,119 of this year and then by next year. 2589 02:00:39,119 --> 02:00:41,040 Correct. Do we have any specific dates? 2590 02:00:41,040 --> 02:00:46,589 Two by next year. Two by next year. Um 2591 02:00:46,599 --> 02:00:49,520 because I don't see I I've tried to read 2592 02:00:49,520 --> 02:00:52,000 uh I read through this extensively and I 2593 02:00:52,000 --> 02:00:54,000 don't see anywhere where it gives us an 2594 02:00:54,000 --> 02:00:55,920 option and out that says if they don't 2595 02:00:55,920 --> 02:00:58,400 deliver by a certain time that we still 2596 02:00:58,400 --> 02:01:00,239 get to go these terms and I know the 2597 02:01:00,239 --> 02:01:02,000 reason that that we went with this was 2598 02:01:02,000 --> 02:01:04,960 so that we would save money. Yes. So we 2599 02:01:04,960 --> 02:01:07,520 went through an escro discount 2600 02:01:07,520 --> 02:01:09,520 agreement. Um so we're approximately 2601 02:01:09,520 --> 02:01:13,760 saving $10,000 per payment. Um uh that's 2602 02:01:13,760 --> 02:01:17,280 based on the interest acred. Um so this 2603 02:01:17,280 --> 02:01:18,639 process we've been doing it about 2604 02:01:18,639 --> 02:01:21,119 approximately 20 years now. Um so it's 2605 02:01:21,119 --> 02:01:24,080 nothing new for the council. Um but is 2606 02:01:24,080 --> 02:01:26,800 the delay usually that's new? Um it 2607 02:01:26,800 --> 02:01:29,119 depends. It depends with the product the 2608 02:01:29,119 --> 02:01:33,520 uh parts. Um that's a question mark. So 2609 02:01:33,520 --> 02:01:35,599 it's usually uh a year and a half to two 2610 02:01:35,599 --> 02:01:39,280 years uh we obtain these vehicles. But 2611 02:01:39,280 --> 02:01:40,960 do we generally start our lease payment 2612 02:01:40,960 --> 02:01:43,760 before the two vehicles are received? 2613 02:01:43,760 --> 02:01:46,560 Yes. I I looked at the last time we did 2614 02:01:46,560 --> 02:01:48,719 this lease agreement lease agreement and 2615 02:01:48,719 --> 02:01:52,880 we did. Um good news is that um we keep 2616 02:01:52,880 --> 02:01:54,560 and hold on to these trucks until we 2617 02:01:54,560 --> 02:01:57,599 receive the new trucks. Uh so I believe 2618 02:01:57,599 --> 02:02:00,400 we're done paying the current lease for 2619 02:02:00,400 --> 02:02:02,560 the past trucks. So there's no payment 2620 02:02:02,560 --> 02:02:04,639 uh no harm financially to the city until 2621 02:02:04,639 --> 02:02:08,440 we receive the new trucks. 2622 02:02:08,440 --> 02:02:11,760 Any other questions? I'll move it. 2623 02:02:11,760 --> 02:02:16,719 Second. All in favor? I the next item is agreement between 2624 02:02:16,719 --> 02:02:20,480 city of connectity and IU all the local 2625 02:02:20,480 --> 02:02:25,320 158 operating engineers. 2626 02:02:25,330 --> 02:02:27,679 [Applause] 2627 02:02:27,679 --> 02:02:31,119 So, the city and the local 150 operating 2628 02:02:31,119 --> 02:02:34,800 engineers uh recently just um negotiated 2629 02:02:34,800 --> 02:02:37,360 and came to an agreement that we're 2630 02:02:37,360 --> 02:02:39,239 hoping that the city council 2631 02:02:39,239 --> 02:02:42,080 authorizes. Um I believe I attached the 2632 02:02:42,080 --> 02:02:46,320 MOA for the council's review. Uh just a 2633 02:02:46,320 --> 02:02:48,040 side 2634 02:02:48,040 --> 02:02:53,639 note, the final cost 2635 02:02:53,639 --> 02:02:58,480 um for the retro to 2027 is 2636 02:02:58,480 --> 02:03:00,520 approximately 2637 02:03:00,520 --> 02:03:06,760 $168,000 that'll be increase in our 2638 02:03:06,760 --> 02:03:09,599 budget. That's over the 3year period. 2639 02:03:09,599 --> 02:03:14,280 Oh, so a total of sorry total of 2640 02:03:14,280 --> 02:03:20,350 $45,817 will increase our budget for 2641 02:03:20,360 --> 02:03:25,520 2025 this year. So from our adopted 2642 02:03:25,520 --> 02:03:32,030 budget and to this increase would be 2643 02:03:32,040 --> 02:03:35,229 45,3720 2644 02:03:35,239 --> 02:03:39,310 increase 2645 02:03:39,320 --> 02:03:41,599 questions seeing may I have a motion to 2646 02:03:41,599 --> 02:03:43,920 move this item forward. Move second. All 2647 02:03:43,920 --> 02:03:47,360 in favor? I I The next item is the 2648 02:03:47,360 --> 02:03:49,440 increase of the sky municipal golf 2649 02:03:49,440 --> 02:03:52,960 course force rates. 2650 02:03:52,960 --> 02:03:55,360 Um so this actually went through 2651 02:03:55,360 --> 02:03:59,440 committee um last cycle uh but there was 2652 02:03:59,440 --> 02:04:03,760 just a clerical error and uh it did not 2653 02:04:03,760 --> 02:04:05,639 make it onto the agenda of 2654 02:04:05,639 --> 02:04:09,599 the council. So, we're just uh 2655 02:04:09,599 --> 02:04:13,119 recommending that the committee 2656 02:04:13,119 --> 02:04:16,560 uh pass it through again. Does this 2657 02:04:16,560 --> 02:04:20,480 mention clerical error? Clerical error 2658 02:04:20,480 --> 02:04:24,800 cuz yeah, it was supposed to be in the packet last night. Oh, that's 2659 02:04:24,800 --> 02:04:27,280 what we already did. Yeah. Let me just 2660 02:04:27,280 --> 02:04:29,679 go ahead, please. So, um what happened 2661 02:04:29,679 --> 02:04:31,360 was that it did it did make it to the 2662 02:04:31,360 --> 02:04:33,679 council agenda. However, what was sent 2663 02:04:33,679 --> 02:04:36,400 to us to to the clerk's office was the 2664 02:04:36,400 --> 02:04:38,239 same exact document. So, although we 2665 02:04:38,239 --> 02:04:40,159 voted it through, what we had was the 2666 02:04:40,159 --> 02:04:42,000 same exact document that was sent to us 2667 02:04:42,000 --> 02:04:44,480 and was attached. So, um even though we 2668 02:04:44,480 --> 02:04:45,920 voted it through with the name, it was 2669 02:04:45,920 --> 02:04:49,400 not the correct document in the packet. 2670 02:04:49,400 --> 02:04:51,920 So, that's why we have to make sure we 2671 02:04:51,920 --> 02:04:54,400 go through this process and get it um 2672 02:04:54,400 --> 02:04:55,920 make sure we get it and when we get it 2673 02:04:55,920 --> 02:04:57,280 back to the floor that it's the correct 2674 02:04:57,280 --> 02:05:00,000 document in our packet. 2675 02:05:00,000 --> 02:05:02,800 Any other questions? Move it. All in 2676 02:05:02,800 --> 02:05:07,360 favor? I thank you. The next item is 2677 02:05:07,360 --> 02:05:10,080 review certain provisions of chapter 161 2678 02:05:10,080 --> 02:05:13,280 of the United Code entitled garbage, 2679 02:05:13,280 --> 02:05:23,430 rubbish, and refugees. Miss 2680 02:05:23,440 --> 02:05:26,800 your name. Your name. Well, actually, so 2681 02:05:26,800 --> 02:05:29,520 really um really just kind of need a 2682 02:05:29,520 --> 02:05:32,320 level of update um in terms of where we 2683 02:05:32,320 --> 02:05:34,400 are with it. Uh I don't I'm sure that 2684 02:05:34,400 --> 02:05:35,840 everyone's getting questions about where 2685 02:05:35,840 --> 02:05:38,480 we are with the uh roll out the 2686 02:05:38,480 --> 02:05:40,400 stickers, uh what we're going to, you 2687 02:05:40,400 --> 02:05:41,840 know, how we're going to process this 2688 02:05:41,840 --> 02:05:46,800 and just overall and um also there was 2689 02:05:46,800 --> 02:05:48,239 there have been some suggestions and 2690 02:05:48,239 --> 02:05:50,400 maybe we revisit this at this point uh 2691 02:05:50,400 --> 02:05:52,159 in terms of other ways that we could 2692 02:05:52,159 --> 02:05:54,480 handle this. But anyway, where we are 2693 02:05:54,480 --> 02:05:57,119 right now in in terms of the um the 2694 02:05:57,119 --> 02:05:59,920 sticker system, the stickers um in the 2695 02:05:59,920 --> 02:06:02,159 mailer should be out I hope by the end 2696 02:06:02,159 --> 02:06:09,990 of the week, if not early next week. 2697 02:06:10,000 --> 02:06:11,719 Okay. 2698 02:06:11,719 --> 02:06:15,760 Um final version of the actual mailing 2699 02:06:15,760 --> 02:06:17,440 pardon. I'm working on the final version 2700 02:06:17,440 --> 02:06:19,199 of the actual mailing and the stickers 2701 02:06:19,199 --> 02:06:21,199 are available. They've been available in 2702 02:06:21,199 --> 02:06:23,520 the uh bureau receipts. So they are 2703 02:06:23,520 --> 02:06:25,840 there locked in the vault. They have 2704 02:06:25,840 --> 02:06:28,000 sold some stickers. People have come in 2705 02:06:28,000 --> 02:06:29,760 and purchased some stickers. So they are 2706 02:06:29,760 --> 02:06:33,669 there and they are available. 2707 02:06:33,679 --> 02:06:36,079 So how did people end up knowing that um 2708 02:06:36,079 --> 02:06:37,840 they could come to the bureau? Phone 2709 02:06:37,840 --> 02:06:40,599 call. Um it's on the 2710 02:06:40,599 --> 02:06:43,199 website and then the fly the flyer will 2711 02:06:43,199 --> 02:06:47,520 go out. We're still in a soft start. So 2712 02:06:47,520 --> 02:06:52,119 Okay. Um, so what I've been noticing and 2713 02:06:52,119 --> 02:06:54,719 um got a call out on Facebook for it is 2714 02:06:54,719 --> 02:06:56,079 that we're we're seeing people throwing 2715 02:06:56,079 --> 02:06:58,960 mattresses over fences now and and you 2716 02:06:58,960 --> 02:07:00,480 know 2717 02:07:00,480 --> 02:07:02,119 uh so 2718 02:07:02,119 --> 02:07:05,280 um I'm I'm seeing more things alongside 2719 02:07:05,280 --> 02:07:08,560 the road and you know is there any way 2720 02:07:08,560 --> 02:07:09,840 if we're going to be able to address 2721 02:07:09,840 --> 02:07:11,280 that? Let's say there's a mattress 2722 02:07:11,280 --> 02:07:13,360 that's leaning up against a a pole. 2723 02:07:13,360 --> 02:07:14,639 We're just going to grab it and throw it 2724 02:07:14,639 --> 02:07:16,400 in the truck. Yeah. I mean, if there's a 2725 02:07:16,400 --> 02:07:17,920 mattress that somebody just discarded 2726 02:07:17,920 --> 02:07:20,000 like they did in the alleyways, the 2727 02:07:20,000 --> 02:07:21,199 typical dump sites that we've been 2728 02:07:21,199 --> 02:07:24,239 picking up for the last years and years 2729 02:07:24,239 --> 02:07:26,960 jumping in Avenue W Street, there's just 2730 02:07:26,960 --> 02:07:28,520 certain places we just pick up 2731 02:07:28,520 --> 02:07:31,119 constantly. Um, we take a phone call and 2732 02:07:31,119 --> 02:07:32,880 we go pick it up. I mean, that's what we 2733 02:07:32,880 --> 02:07:34,400 can do. Obviously, we don't know who 2734 02:07:34,400 --> 02:07:36,639 dumped it. If there's a camera there, 2735 02:07:36,639 --> 02:07:38,480 um, we'll look at the camera. We'll go 2736 02:07:38,480 --> 02:07:41,040 to the police department. uh if we have 2737 02:07:41,040 --> 02:07:44,119 you know call a plate number um but 2738 02:07:44,119 --> 02:07:48,560 absent you know um a video we go video 2739 02:07:48,560 --> 02:07:50,159 um no different that we have been doing 2740 02:07:50,159 --> 02:07:52,320 for the last been around for a lot of 2741 02:07:52,320 --> 02:07:54,880 years for years um it's unfortunate that 2742 02:07:54,880 --> 02:07:56,760 people will still do that 2743 02:07:56,760 --> 02:07:58,960 but people are still going to speed to 2744 02:07:58,960 --> 02:08:01,199 it that says 25 people are still going 2745 02:08:01,199 --> 02:08:04,079 to do what they want to do so if people 2746 02:08:04,079 --> 02:08:06,320 identify or see something like a metric 2747 02:08:06,320 --> 02:08:09,199 over fence just reach out to the city to 2748 02:08:09,199 --> 02:08:11,440 identify where between PB, the county, 2749 02:08:11,440 --> 02:08:13,440 and Brian Canon, we typically can look 2750 02:08:13,440 --> 02:08:16,079 for video and, you know, we turn it over 2751 02:08:16,079 --> 02:08:18,239 to the police department. They'll do an 2752 02:08:18,239 --> 02:08:19,840 instant report on it and see if they can 2753 02:08:19,840 --> 02:08:22,560 track down who discarded the um the 2754 02:08:22,560 --> 02:08:24,480 waste. But if there's no place, there's 2755 02:08:24,480 --> 02:08:26,719 no camera, like just a camera, just grab 2756 02:08:26,719 --> 02:08:29,760 it and talk it up to nothing we can do. 2757 02:08:29,760 --> 02:08:32,840 Cost of doing business. 2758 02:08:32,840 --> 02:08:37,199 Um, yes. Oh, question. 2759 02:08:37,199 --> 02:08:41,149 So, go ahead, please. Thank you, 2760 02:08:41,159 --> 02:08:45,840 sir. Um, so question. So, I know I think 2761 02:08:45,840 --> 02:08:47,599 this is more towards the towards the 2762 02:08:47,599 --> 02:08:49,840 mayor. I know that we're put you're 2763 02:08:49,840 --> 02:08:52,000 still in the final process of getting 2764 02:08:52,000 --> 02:08:55,719 that mailer together. Um, my question 2765 02:08:55,719 --> 02:09:00,560 is, are we enforcing this now? Cuz I I 2766 02:09:00,560 --> 02:09:03,040 did get a call about someone getting a 2767 02:09:03,040 --> 02:09:09,599 fine. And I guess the question is are we enfor these enforcement now 2768 02:09:09,599 --> 02:09:11,119 before we're mailing out the stickers to 2769 02:09:11,119 --> 02:09:12,960 people? 2770 02:09:12,960 --> 02:09:16,800 What were they fighting for? So So they 2771 02:09:16,800 --> 02:09:20,960 told me it was a there was a a I think 2772 02:09:20,960 --> 02:09:24,480 she said a TV and but it was $75. She 2773 02:09:24,480 --> 02:09:26,239 said that she was fine. So I guess the 2774 02:09:26,239 --> 02:09:29,920 question is are we are we I'm sorry. 2775 02:09:29,920 --> 02:09:31,360 Okay. Sorry. She looked down in here. 2776 02:09:31,360 --> 02:09:33,520 Okay. I thought you were helping maybe 2777 02:09:33,520 --> 02:09:36,079 you got the same call. Um, so I guess 2778 02:09:36,079 --> 02:09:38,880 the question is are we currently 2779 02:09:38,880 --> 02:09:40,639 enforcing 2780 02:09:40,639 --> 02:09:44,560 um the sticker rule without 2781 02:09:44,560 --> 02:09:46,480 it could have been it could have been a 2782 02:09:46,480 --> 02:09:51,119 fine for so Okay. So without the address 2783 02:09:51,119 --> 02:09:53,760 violation I can't sure I'll make sure I 2784 02:09:53,760 --> 02:09:56,239 have reach out to you and look it up. Go 2785 02:09:56,239 --> 02:09:59,440 ahead. Thank you. Um, so I I I think our 2786 02:09:59,440 --> 02:10:01,520 $50 fines for putting your trash out 2787 02:10:01,520 --> 02:10:03,440 early or whatever that that soft start 2788 02:10:03,440 --> 02:10:06,000 is over. Now they're $75. That's the 2789 02:10:06,000 --> 02:10:08,079 administrative fee that was approved by 2790 02:10:08,079 --> 02:10:18,470 the council to go to $75. Thank you. 2791 02:10:18,480 --> 02:10:19,840 Well, we passed the resolution. I think 2792 02:10:19,840 --> 02:10:23,760 we have to code. The code still says 50. 2793 02:10:23,760 --> 02:10:26,239 I'm sorry. I think the code still says 2794 02:10:26,239 --> 02:10:32,639 50. So we we did Yeah, we didn't we didn't up it to 75. It's still $50 there. So I'm not sure 2795 02:10:32,639 --> 02:10:37,830 why why charging $75. 2796 02:10:37,840 --> 02:10:41,760 Huh? No, we did not. It remains the 2797 02:10:41,760 --> 02:10:47,510 administrative fee remains at the $50. 2798 02:10:47,520 --> 02:10:49,040 So Mr. Party, let's get back to that 2799 02:10:49,040 --> 02:10:50,880 first. Can you get some information 2800 02:10:50,880 --> 02:10:55,910 regarding how we do that? 2801 02:10:55,920 --> 02:10:57,920 I think we did when we were when we were 2802 02:10:57,920 --> 02:10:59,599 reviewing this document. I I don't think 2803 02:10:59,599 --> 02:11:02,320 we touched on the administrative fee 2804 02:11:02,320 --> 02:11:04,480 check through the um police department 2805 02:11:04,480 --> 02:11:06,159 because the administrative fee was I 2806 02:11:06,159 --> 02:11:07,560 think it's 2807 02:11:07,560 --> 02:11:10,040 broad. I 2808 02:11:10,040 --> 02:11:12,560 think that that came through. Yeah. But 2809 02:11:12,560 --> 02:11:15,000 that was code enforcement 2810 02:11:15,000 --> 02:11:20,480 we for violations. I don't know if you know if it's not going to be covered 2811 02:11:20,480 --> 02:11:22,880 under us then we'll let them call me. 2812 02:11:22,880 --> 02:11:25,880 go back to $50. Yeah. No, it's 2813 02:11:25,880 --> 02:11:28,560 $50 on this document here. So, we need 2814 02:11:28,560 --> 02:11:31,199 to either keep it at 50 or we need to 2815 02:11:31,199 --> 02:11:33,119 change 2816 02:11:33,119 --> 02:11:36,520 from page seven. That is 2817 02:11:36,520 --> 02:11:41,000 page of this document here. We back up 2818 02:11:41,000 --> 02:11:45,000 62 right down to the bottom. Last 2819 02:11:45,000 --> 02:11:47,280 paragraph. Mhm. Yeah. We didn't we 2820 02:11:47,280 --> 02:11:49,040 didn't I can recall vividly that we 2821 02:11:49,040 --> 02:11:54,069 didn't touch on the administrative 2822 02:11:54,079 --> 02:11:55,679 Yes, code enforcement, we did increase 2823 02:11:55,679 --> 02:12:13,189 the $75 administrative fees. 2824 02:12:13,199 --> 02:12:15,440 Any other questions? That was that was 2825 02:12:15,440 --> 02:12:18,400 my um Do you have any more questions? 2826 02:12:18,400 --> 02:12:20,480 No, those those are the questions in in 2827 02:12:20,480 --> 02:12:23,920 the back. Okay. All right. Any other 2828 02:12:23,920 --> 02:12:26,239 business for finance? Thank you. Uh Mr. 2829 02:12:26,239 --> 02:12:29,760 Chairman, uh I have asked that Mr. Gokan 2830 02:12:29,760 --> 02:12:32,960 put in the request for approval tenative 2831 02:12:32,960 --> 02:12:34,880 agreement with CSEA that was dropped 2832 02:12:34,880 --> 02:12:39,960 from the agenda today and CSEA is 2833 02:12:39,960 --> 02:12:42,880 maintaining basis that that should move 2834 02:12:42,880 --> 02:12:48,069 forward. 2835 02:12:48,079 --> 02:12:50,400 Go ahead, please. Go ahead. So, there 2836 02:12:50,400 --> 02:12:54,199 was a between the city um and 2837 02:12:54,199 --> 02:12:57,480 CSEA. However, 2838 02:12:57,480 --> 02:13:01,040 um the was a what they called a typo in 2839 02:13:01,040 --> 02:13:04,719 the MOA and uh that was voted for by the 2840 02:13:04,719 --> 02:13:08,560 entire body, voted by on the voted on by 2841 02:13:08,560 --> 02:13:11,119 the entire body. They realized later 2842 02:13:11,119 --> 02:13:14,320 there was a typo in the MOA and then 2843 02:13:14,320 --> 02:13:17,920 created another MOA which I when I spoke 2844 02:13:17,920 --> 02:13:21,280 to Mr. McCabe that I recommended to him 2845 02:13:21,280 --> 02:13:24,719 that he called it an addendum. Um and 2846 02:13:24,719 --> 02:13:26,800 that was not voted on by the entire 2847 02:13:26,800 --> 02:13:29,040 body. He said he spoke to several people 2848 02:13:29,040 --> 02:13:31,360 about it and everybody was okay with it 2849 02:13:31,360 --> 02:13:33,199 but there was not a meeting called where 2850 02:13:33,199 --> 02:13:36,960 the entire body was voted on it. I spoke 2851 02:13:36,960 --> 02:13:39,920 to Mr. about it. I spoke to Mr. we could 2852 02:13:39,920 --> 02:13:42,239 talk about it and this was on Friday I 2853 02:13:42,239 --> 02:13:45,599 believe and we were both um comfortable 2854 02:13:45,599 --> 02:13:47,440 with the fact that it is being voted on 2855 02:13:47,440 --> 02:13:51,040 by the entire body. I did not feel 2856 02:13:51,040 --> 02:13:52,480 comfortable that something that just 2857 02:13:52,480 --> 02:13:54,719 happened through conversations as 2858 02:13:54,719 --> 02:13:56,560 opposed to the entire membership being 2859 02:13:56,560 --> 02:13:58,639 called and present and to vote on was 2860 02:13:58,639 --> 02:13:59,760 something that the council shouldn't 2861 02:13:59,760 --> 02:14:01,760 move forward on without there being a 2862 02:14:01,760 --> 02:14:03,199 meeting and some written documentation 2863 02:14:03,199 --> 02:14:06,079 of the meeting. So when we had that 2864 02:14:06,079 --> 02:14:08,079 conversation Mr. Gammuck agreed with it, 2865 02:14:08,079 --> 02:14:10,719 Mr. McCabe agreed with it and that's how 2866 02:14:10,719 --> 02:14:12,880 we walked away from it. Um there would 2867 02:14:12,880 --> 02:14:15,199 be some retroactive pay, but delaying 2868 02:14:15,199 --> 02:14:16,880 this call calling for another meeting 2869 02:14:16,880 --> 02:14:19,040 would not change that pay, but it would 2870 02:14:19,040 --> 02:14:25,199 put the council and the um this MOA in the position of having the MOA with 2871 02:14:25,199 --> 02:14:27,199 all the correct information voted on by 2872 02:14:27,199 --> 02:14:28,280 the entire 2873 02:14:28,280 --> 02:14:30,960 body so that there's not an addendum 2874 02:14:30,960 --> 02:14:33,040 that goes with it and it's not done just 2875 02:14:33,040 --> 02:14:34,960 simply by talking to various people and 2876 02:14:34,960 --> 02:14:36,639 saying, you know, no one no one 2877 02:14:36,639 --> 02:14:40,719 disagreed cuz conceivably someone could say that I wasn't consulted on 2878 02:14:40,719 --> 02:14:42,400 this. But if there's a membership 2879 02:14:42,400 --> 02:14:45,679 meeting that does not come into play. So 2880 02:14:45,679 --> 02:14:47,360 you have the email in front of you that 2881 02:14:47,360 --> 02:14:50,639 I did send um that Mr. Book where he he 2882 02:14:50,639 --> 02:14:54,000 sent that and um I again feel strongly 2883 02:14:54,000 --> 02:14:56,800 that we should make it's two weeks and 2884 02:14:56,800 --> 02:14:58,079 that it's it's not going to change the 2885 02:14:58,079 --> 02:14:59,679 amount of money but that we should have 2886 02:14:59,679 --> 02:15:02,079 this done and at the entire membership 2887 02:15:02,079 --> 02:15:03,520 there should be a meeting called and 2888 02:15:03,520 --> 02:15:05,360 this not have be done by conversations 2889 02:15:05,360 --> 02:15:07,760 with various people that that really 2890 02:15:07,760 --> 02:15:09,599 there's no written documentation for. 2891 02:15:09,599 --> 02:15:11,320 Not saying the conversation didn't take 2892 02:15:11,320 --> 02:15:14,800 place. However, say it's cleaner and we 2893 02:15:14,800 --> 02:15:15,760 make sure we have a meeting that's 2894 02:15:15,760 --> 02:15:17,599 called and no member can say if they 2895 02:15:17,599 --> 02:15:18,639 didn't attend the meeting, they didn't 2896 02:15:18,639 --> 02:15:20,239 intend the meeting, but that there was 2897 02:15:20,239 --> 02:15:25,040 not a meeting where they could come and make their voices heard on this. And 2898 02:15:25,040 --> 02:15:27,440 for the record, the um the typo was 2899 02:15:27,440 --> 02:15:29,520 really significant in terms of the 2900 02:15:29,520 --> 02:15:30,880 information that was provided in the 2901 02:15:30,880 --> 02:15:34,560 original MOA and what it was changed to. 2902 02:15:34,560 --> 02:15:36,079 So, ma'am, do we have a draft of the 2903 02:15:36,079 --> 02:15:39,199 MOA? There is no MOA here that I signed. 2904 02:15:39,199 --> 02:15:41,840 So, it's non-existent. CSEA's position 2905 02:15:41,840 --> 02:15:44,480 is we've negotiated a contract, we've 2906 02:15:44,480 --> 02:15:47,199 entered into it, they've approved it, 2907 02:15:47,199 --> 02:15:50,800 and it's now to the city council to 2908 02:15:50,800 --> 02:15:53,599 ratify that and allow me to sign the 2909 02:15:53,599 --> 02:15:55,599 final document. 2910 02:15:55,599 --> 02:15:57,760 But the the document that they sent 2911 02:15:57,760 --> 02:15:59,599 again had that misinformation that they 2912 02:15:59,599 --> 02:16:02,400 wanted to to add an addendum that did 2913 02:16:02,400 --> 02:16:04,159 not was not presented to the entire 2914 02:16:04,159 --> 02:16:09,320 body. So, where is that document? Uh, 2915 02:16:09,320 --> 02:16:13,599 Mr. Ste, unless I sign that, it doesn't 2916 02:16:13,599 --> 02:16:16,520 exist. So, you have 2917 02:16:16,520 --> 02:16:19,679 somebody there was a title in there that 2918 02:16:19,679 --> 02:16:21,840 is not in the budget. 2919 02:16:21,840 --> 02:16:24,880 When you adopt the budget, it says any 2920 02:16:24,880 --> 02:16:26,800 position that's not funded, it's 2921 02:16:26,800 --> 02:16:30,079 abolished, right? So, it's a non-issue. 2922 02:16:30,079 --> 02:16:32,639 And there's also a title in there that 2923 02:16:32,639 --> 02:16:36,000 they incorrectly put in there that we 2924 02:16:36,000 --> 02:16:36,960 can print it out for you. There's 2925 02:16:36,960 --> 02:16:38,519 entitle in there that the information is 2926 02:16:38,519 --> 02:16:41,040 incorrect and then they wanted it re and 2927 02:16:41,040 --> 02:16:43,840 then they wanted to uh do the addendum 2928 02:16:43,840 --> 02:16:45,479 which was done by 2929 02:16:45,479 --> 02:16:48,679 conversations to change that 2930 02:16:48,679 --> 02:16:50,800 title as opposed to being in the 2931 02:16:50,800 --> 02:16:53,599 original MOA that was that the um the 2932 02:16:53,599 --> 02:16:57,040 membership voted on. 2933 02:16:57,040 --> 02:16:58,840 Would that call for a budget 2934 02:16:58,840 --> 02:17:01,920 reappropriation? approval upon adoption 2935 02:17:01,920 --> 02:17:05,040 of the contract by the city council and 2936 02:17:05,040 --> 02:17:07,920 we would go back budget amendment when 2937 02:17:07,920 --> 02:17:11,960 we do the retro any salary adjustments. 2938 02:17:11,960 --> 02:17:15,120 So, Mr. Mr. Moair um and and council 2939 02:17:15,120 --> 02:17:16,800 members, I just wanted to make sure if 2940 02:17:16,800 --> 02:17:18,240 we're changing that and there are going 2941 02:17:18,240 --> 02:17:20,639 to be amendments to addendums amendments 2942 02:17:20,639 --> 02:17:23,359 to the um to the actual MOA that was 2943 02:17:23,359 --> 02:17:24,880 going on by the body that the entire 2944 02:17:24,880 --> 02:17:26,880 body get to vote on it again as opposed 2945 02:17:26,880 --> 02:17:29,040 to any addendum being made by 2946 02:17:29,040 --> 02:17:31,760 conversations. What Mr. McCabe said is 2947 02:17:31,760 --> 02:17:34,040 there were typos and they corrected the 2948 02:17:34,040 --> 02:17:38,479 typos based on this additional um MLA. I 2949 02:17:38,479 --> 02:17:40,160 would just like it's he said it would 2950 02:17:40,160 --> 02:17:42,559 not be a problem. the retroactive money 2951 02:17:42,559 --> 02:17:45,439 still happens for them to bring their 2952 02:17:45,439 --> 02:17:47,679 body together. So, everyone um again 2953 02:17:47,679 --> 02:17:50,639 gets to vote on it as the CSA's position 2954 02:17:50,639 --> 02:17:55,000 is best the council can move 2955 02:17:55,000 --> 02:17:57,200 forward that should be entered into an 2956 02:17:57,200 --> 02:18:00,190 improper 2957 02:18:00,200 --> 02:18:03,840 practice. Okay. 2958 02:18:03,840 --> 02:18:09,349 Could you repeat that please? 2959 02:18:09,359 --> 02:18:12,240 Negotiated a contract. Mhm. It's been 2960 02:18:12,240 --> 02:18:14,960 approved by the membership 2961 02:18:14,960 --> 02:18:17,240 going forward to the council. CSEA's 2962 02:18:17,240 --> 02:18:20,719 position, which I've outlined here, is 2963 02:18:20,719 --> 02:18:23,760 that it should go forward. Choosing not 2964 02:18:23,760 --> 02:18:26,479 to go forward, making references to an 2965 02:18:26,479 --> 02:18:28,800 unsigned MOA. It's on their agreement. 2966 02:18:28,800 --> 02:18:30,479 You're really moving the council into a 2967 02:18:30,479 --> 02:18:31,840 position which could be considered an 2968 02:18:31,840 --> 02:18:34,559 improper practice. So you're suggesting 2969 02:18:34,559 --> 02:18:36,639 that that we make an amendment to what 2970 02:18:36,639 --> 02:18:38,559 they agreed on based on not having 2971 02:18:38,559 --> 02:18:40,479 another meeting because that's what it 2972 02:18:40,479 --> 02:18:43,359 really this has boiled down to. I mean 2973 02:18:43,359 --> 02:18:46,319 Miss M um Mu was there present for the 2974 02:18:46,319 --> 02:18:51,040 conversations and again Mr. Mr. Mugamuk 2975 02:18:51,040 --> 02:18:53,200 that is what we we discussed and you 2976 02:18:53,200 --> 02:18:54,559 were quite comfortable with. I'm not 2977 02:18:54,559 --> 02:18:57,519 sure where this has um has actually as a 2978 02:18:57,519 --> 02:18:58,719 matter of fact there were a lot of he 2979 02:18:58,719 --> 02:19:00,559 had a lot of questions about the MOA and 2980 02:19:00,559 --> 02:19:01,880 the additional 2981 02:19:01,880 --> 02:19:05,160 changes that were not voted on and and 2982 02:19:05,160 --> 02:19:07,359 so you know that's where we are. It's 2983 02:19:07,359 --> 02:19:10,080 not an improper practice but mayor quite 2984 02:19:10,080 --> 02:19:12,559 frankly I'm not comfortable um voting 2985 02:19:12,559 --> 02:19:14,559 something through that the entire body 2986 02:19:14,559 --> 02:19:16,240 didn't get an opportunity to to weigh in 2987 02:19:16,240 --> 02:19:19,280 on. Let's go back one step. Do you have 2988 02:19:19,280 --> 02:19:20,679 a copy of the 2989 02:19:20,679 --> 02:19:24,080 MOA? I have seen it and I've seen the 2990 02:19:24,080 --> 02:19:26,800 amendment as well in the amendment and 2991 02:19:26,800 --> 02:19:29,200 that has my signature on it. Nope. 2992 02:19:29,200 --> 02:19:30,359 There's no 2993 02:19:30,359 --> 02:19:32,719 signature. You can type anything up. You 2994 02:19:32,719 --> 02:19:34,319 can wave it around. You can say whatever 2995 02:19:34,319 --> 02:19:37,120 you want till I sign it and the 2996 02:19:37,120 --> 02:19:39,760 representative of CSEA sign it. It's not 2997 02:19:39,760 --> 02:19:42,080 an agreement. But what he's saying what 2998 02:19:42,080 --> 02:19:44,080 was what he is saying that he being 2999 02:19:44,080 --> 02:19:46,639 Stephen Cape is what was presented is 3000 02:19:46,639 --> 02:19:48,080 incorrect and he needs to make some 3001 02:19:48,080 --> 02:19:50,080 changes need to be made to that. Mr. Mr. 3002 02:19:50,080 --> 02:19:52,120 Book, would you like to speak to 3003 02:19:52,120 --> 02:19:55,120 this? Come on up, please. Please come 3004 02:19:55,120 --> 02:20:04,469 up. 3005 02:20:04,479 --> 02:20:07,280 So, it was under my impression. Um, I 3006 02:20:07,280 --> 02:20:08,880 believe after you spoke with Steve 3007 02:20:08,880 --> 02:20:12,560 McCabe, um, he was not comfortable with 3008 02:20:12,560 --> 02:20:15,560 whatever the language or the case was. 3009 02:20:15,560 --> 02:20:18,880 Um, the agreement needs to change. Um, 3010 02:20:18,880 --> 02:20:23,280 so I after our discussion, um, I said he 3011 02:20:23,280 --> 02:20:25,520 was not comfortable with that and would 3012 02:20:25,520 --> 02:20:28,640 like to take it off the agenda. Um, I I 3013 02:20:28,640 --> 02:20:31,040 said I believe that would be fine. Not 3014 02:20:31,040 --> 02:20:32,479 that he's not comfortable with it, but 3015 02:20:32,479 --> 02:20:33,720 he wanted to make an 3016 02:20:33,720 --> 02:20:36,000 amendment based on and you saw the 3017 02:20:36,000 --> 02:20:37,520 document cuz you sent it to us. You sent 3018 02:20:37,520 --> 02:20:40,080 it today, right? Yes. Yes. And you saw 3019 02:20:40,080 --> 02:20:41,280 the document and it was there was an 3020 02:20:41,280 --> 02:20:43,920 amendment that again did not go through 3021 02:20:43,920 --> 02:20:46,160 a discussion with the whole body. Was it 3022 02:20:46,160 --> 02:20:48,240 document sent to the council or just so 3023 02:20:48,240 --> 02:20:50,000 No, no, because we we decided that we're 3024 02:20:50,000 --> 02:20:53,520 taking it off. So, okay. Yes. 3025 02:20:53,520 --> 02:20:55,920 So, why are I'm sorry I'm Why are we 3026 02:20:55,920 --> 02:20:58,800 talking about this if there's no way? 3027 02:20:58,800 --> 02:21:02,000 Well, CSA is we do have a tenative 3028 02:21:02,000 --> 02:21:06,710 agreement with CSA. 3029 02:21:06,720 --> 02:21:09,760 I'm just like, so can that be shared to 3030 02:21:09,760 --> 02:21:11,280 the entire council? There is a there is 3031 02:21:11,280 --> 02:21:12,960 an agreement which I sent to the city 3032 02:21:12,960 --> 02:21:14,479 council 3033 02:21:14,479 --> 02:21:18,000 this yes today right 3034 02:21:18,000 --> 02:21:20,720 city I sent it last week you lent it 3035 02:21:20,720 --> 02:21:23,200 last week and then Mr. So he sent it he 3036 02:21:23,200 --> 02:21:25,600 sent it last week and then Mr. McCabe 3037 02:21:25,600 --> 02:21:27,439 said there was something wrong with it, 3038 02:21:27,439 --> 02:21:30,000 that it was incorrect. And so then on 3039 02:21:30,000 --> 02:21:32,960 Friday, he brought a document that he 3040 02:21:32,960 --> 02:21:35,120 also called an MA changing the language 3041 02:21:35,120 --> 02:21:38,240 because of the er the clerical errors 3042 02:21:38,240 --> 02:21:39,280 that were made in there. That was 3043 02:21:39,280 --> 02:21:41,950 brought up on 3044 02:21:41,960 --> 02:21:43,920 Friday which he said he brought to the 3045 02:21:43,920 --> 02:21:45,680 mayor and the mayor at that time. I'm 3046 02:21:45,680 --> 02:21:47,520 repeating what Mr. McCabe said, he had 3047 02:21:47,520 --> 02:21:51,920 not seen that before. So again, um to to 3048 02:21:51,920 --> 02:21:53,680 me for and then Mr. McCabe again said 3049 02:21:53,680 --> 02:21:56,000 that they needed to change it but the 3050 02:21:56,000 --> 02:21:58,080 changes had not been voted by um the 3051 02:21:58,080 --> 02:22:00,160 entire body but they had had 3052 02:22:00,160 --> 02:22:02,560 conversations with people and you say 3053 02:22:02,560 --> 02:22:04,080 you send it to the entire council or you 3054 02:22:04,080 --> 02:22:07,000 just send it to the president and the 3055 02:22:07,000 --> 02:22:09,680 miss president. Okay. So it's not the 3056 02:22:09,680 --> 02:22:11,399 council. So you don't you don't 3057 02:22:11,399 --> 02:22:15,040 have to do no because the discussions 3058 02:22:15,040 --> 02:22:16,640 came up and then it was on the agenda so 3059 02:22:16,640 --> 02:22:18,000 it would have gone out and then on 3060 02:22:18,000 --> 02:22:20,160 Friday we had the conversation. So then 3061 02:22:20,160 --> 02:22:21,680 it came off the agenda. I want to make 3062 02:22:21,680 --> 02:22:23,920 that very clear. We did not receive 3063 02:22:23,920 --> 02:22:25,200 correspondence because it was not on the 3064 02:22:25,200 --> 02:22:26,560 agenda. Well, there was a legislative 3065 02:22:26,560 --> 02:22:28,160 request that went in for it. And just 3066 02:22:28,160 --> 02:22:30,800 for have put in the record, this is from 3067 02:22:30,800 --> 02:22:33,520 Angela Angelique by water. Please be 3068 02:22:33,520 --> 02:22:36,479 advised that CSEA was not aware that 3069 02:22:36,479 --> 02:22:39,680 this request was made and acted upon, 3070 02:22:39,680 --> 02:22:42,479 which I didn't act upon it, so it's just 3071 02:22:42,479 --> 02:22:45,600 out there. It is CSEA's position that 3072 02:22:45,600 --> 02:22:49,280 the membership voted and ratified the 3073 02:22:49,280 --> 02:22:51,880 contract on March 11th, 3074 02:22:51,880 --> 02:22:54,880 2025. I sent an email notify a 3075 02:22:54,880 --> 02:22:56,399 notification to the city of the 3076 02:22:56,399 --> 02:22:59,120 ratification vote and then last week 3077 02:22:59,120 --> 02:23:01,520 scanned a formal letter notifying the 3078 02:23:01,520 --> 02:23:06,469 city such 3079 02:23:06,479 --> 02:23:08,240 and then again on Friday, Mr. McCabe 3080 02:23:08,240 --> 02:23:11,520 said there were there were errors. So I 3081 02:23:11,520 --> 02:23:12,600 think before 3082 02:23:12,600 --> 02:23:15,680 we just vote it through without having 3083 02:23:15,680 --> 02:23:17,840 at least Mr. McCabe here having it vote 3084 02:23:17,840 --> 02:23:20,880 through again that because he is he is 3085 02:23:20,880 --> 02:23:24,319 the the um president of the union and he 3086 02:23:24,319 --> 02:23:27,200 is the one who said that there were we 3087 02:23:27,200 --> 02:23:28,560 there need to be some changes made in 3088 02:23:28,560 --> 02:23:30,319 the document that was not something that 3089 02:23:30,319 --> 02:23:32,160 I came up with. 3090 02:23:32,160 --> 02:23:34,160 So can can we get these changes uh 3091 02:23:34,160 --> 02:23:36,800 before Monday and we can put this on for 3092 02:23:36,800 --> 02:23:39,439 unanimous consent 3093 02:23:39,439 --> 02:23:41,960 again? You wouldn't have had the I'm not 3094 02:23:41,960 --> 02:23:44,960 signing the tenative agreement. You 3095 02:23:44,960 --> 02:23:47,200 could move forward with consent. I'm 3096 02:23:47,200 --> 02:23:49,359 telling you I'm not signing that MOA 3097 02:23:49,359 --> 02:23:53,280 that was presented in Brighton. So, and 3098 02:23:53,280 --> 02:23:55,359 that's the problem that he said that he 3099 02:23:55,359 --> 02:23:57,680 didn't want to send the MOA because the 3100 02:23:57,680 --> 02:23:59,319 one that the one page that he 3101 02:23:59,319 --> 02:24:02,960 gave the one page is actually not the 3102 02:24:02,960 --> 02:24:05,120 original MOA. It's an addendum to it 3103 02:24:05,120 --> 02:24:07,520 that he's asking for. This addendum was 3104 02:24:07,520 --> 02:24:09,120 not voted through by the through the 3105 02:24:09,120 --> 02:24:11,280 body, 3106 02:24:11,280 --> 02:24:13,760 right? The original MOA which we 3107 02:24:13,760 --> 02:24:15,680 negotiated has been approved by the 3108 02:24:15,680 --> 02:24:19,120 membership. Right. Yeah. So, which is 3109 02:24:19,120 --> 02:24:20,720 what I'm saying that the second one he 3110 02:24:20,720 --> 02:24:22,560 would have to go back to the membership. 3111 02:24:22,560 --> 02:24:23,960 Why are we even 3112 02:24:23,960 --> 02:24:27,200 talking about the agenda? Because allow 3113 02:24:27,200 --> 02:24:29,920 a man to proceed with his negotiation 3114 02:24:29,920 --> 02:24:31,840 and then bring him to Congress. No 3115 02:24:31,840 --> 02:24:35,160 negotiations. I completed the 3116 02:24:35,160 --> 02:24:37,439 negotiations. Now, you approved it. Now, 3117 02:24:37,439 --> 02:24:39,520 it requires the city council to approve 3118 02:24:39,520 --> 02:24:41,359 it. So, I think we just need to bring it 3119 02:24:41,359 --> 02:24:44,399 forward two weeks. whatever move forward 3120 02:24:44,399 --> 02:24:45,760 with our we need to move forward and get 3121 02:24:45,760 --> 02:24:48,319 this done and whatever and um we're not 3122 02:24:48,319 --> 02:24:49,600 part of the negotiation so that's 3123 02:24:49,600 --> 02:24:52,800 between like I said it's the the chair 3124 02:24:52,800 --> 02:24:54,399 um the president of the union who 3125 02:24:54,399 --> 02:24:55,680 brought these additional things forward 3126 02:24:55,680 --> 02:25:00,640 to the mayor on Friday. Okay. So, so 3127 02:25:00,640 --> 02:25:02,080 let's let's wait and get everything 3128 02:25:02,080 --> 02:25:04,720 together and then move forward. 3129 02:25:04,720 --> 02:25:07,040 But Mr. McCain is was comfortable with 3130 02:25:07,040 --> 02:25:09,040 what he said on Friday, but the mayor 3131 02:25:09,040 --> 02:25:12,560 will not sign it. Yeah. So there's a little bit of disconnect here 3132 02:25:12,560 --> 02:25:14,080 that it needs to they needs to iron out 3133 02:25:14,080 --> 02:25:16,000 the differences to us. Yes, they need to 3134 02:25:16,000 --> 02:25:18,080 iron out the differences agree whatever 3135 02:25:18,080 --> 02:25:19,520 they need to agree on and move forward 3136 02:25:19,520 --> 02:25:20,640 and bring it to us and let's move 3137 02:25:20,640 --> 02:25:23,200 forward with it. All right. I don't 3138 02:25:23,200 --> 02:25:25,120 think we have any issue with approving 3139 02:25:25,120 --> 02:25:28,000 contracts for for workers to approve 3140 02:25:28,000 --> 02:25:31,439 over the years contract and reward our 3141 02:25:31,439 --> 02:25:33,439 hard workers. All right. Any other 3142 02:25:33,439 --> 02:25:36,560 business for finance? Motion to adjurnn. 3143 02:25:36,560 --> 02:25:39,120 So moved. Second. All in favor? I thank 3144 02:25:39,120 --> 02:25:40,560 you. 3145 02:25:40,560 --> 02:25:42,080 Yeah, let's call the board of government 3146 02:25:42,080 --> 02:25:44,080 operations. We have two items on the 3147 02:25:44,080 --> 02:25:46,880 agenda. First is shadowing city jobs. 3148 02:25:46,880 --> 02:25:49,520 Mr. Williams, thank you. Um, I think we 3149 02:25:49,520 --> 02:25:51,439 can all agree that shadowing city jobs 3150 02:25:51,439 --> 02:25:53,280 is important and important to what we 3151 02:25:53,280 --> 02:25:55,600 do. Um, I don't believe any of us have 3152 02:25:55,600 --> 02:25:58,240 the direct knowledge or understanding of 3153 02:25:58,240 --> 02:26:01,600 the day-to-day. So having the ability to 3154 02:26:01,600 --> 02:26:03,840 uh be in walk in their shoes for a 3155 02:26:03,840 --> 02:26:05,840 limited period of time I think is an 3156 02:26:05,840 --> 02:26:09,040 important um gradient that allows us to 3157 02:26:09,040 --> 02:26:10,960 better understand the decisions we make 3158 02:26:10,960 --> 02:26:12,880 and their impacts on their day-to-day 3159 02:26:12,880 --> 02:26:15,040 lives. Uh so the reason why this is 3160 02:26:15,040 --> 02:26:17,920 coming forward is uh I myself uh pride 3161 02:26:17,920 --> 02:26:19,760 myself on getting out into the community 3162 02:26:19,760 --> 02:26:21,760 and understanding and working with the 3163 02:26:21,760 --> 02:26:24,160 city staff in my limited capacity and I 3164 02:26:24,160 --> 02:26:27,200 understand it is a sincerely a snapshot 3165 02:26:27,200 --> 02:26:29,920 of what they do day in day out. Um but a 3166 02:26:29,920 --> 02:26:32,479 recent request was denied which is 3167 02:26:32,479 --> 02:26:35,280 something I have not had to experience 3168 02:26:35,280 --> 02:26:37,200 and in my request for further updates 3169 02:26:37,200 --> 02:26:39,359 have not received an answer. Um, so I'd 3170 02:26:39,359 --> 02:26:41,840 say at this time it's wanting to put in 3171 02:26:41,840 --> 02:26:45,600 place a formal process that one supports 3172 02:26:45,600 --> 02:26:48,319 that this is within the mayor's purview 3173 02:26:48,319 --> 02:26:51,120 as staffing is, which I openly 3174 02:26:51,120 --> 02:26:53,120 understand and agree with. It's not that 3175 02:26:53,120 --> 02:26:54,479 my agreements has anything to do with 3176 02:26:54,479 --> 02:26:57,760 that. um but wanted to implement another 3177 02:26:57,760 --> 02:27:01,840 series that formally addresses how um 3178 02:27:01,840 --> 02:27:04,120 how refusals or 3179 02:27:04,120 --> 02:27:08,479 uh or not approvals is handled. That way 3180 02:27:08,479 --> 02:27:11,040 we can remedy whatever disagreements or 3181 02:27:11,040 --> 02:27:13,520 whatever inks there is present uh to 3182 02:27:13,520 --> 02:27:16,319 ensure that this doesn't hold up the 3183 02:27:16,319 --> 02:27:18,960 intent of any council member to get into 3184 02:27:18,960 --> 02:27:21,470 and see the jobs. 3185 02:27:21,470 --> 02:27:25,910 [Music] 3186 02:27:25,920 --> 02:27:29,520 special. Sorry. Um I mean anytime I've 3187 02:27:29,520 --> 02:27:31,120 wanted to do something like this, which 3188 02:27:31,120 --> 02:27:33,040 primarily has been I have not ridden on 3189 02:27:33,040 --> 02:27:35,120 the garbage truck as Mr. Williams has 3190 02:27:35,120 --> 02:27:37,600 and probably won't, but I have certainly 3191 02:27:37,600 --> 02:27:40,800 uh gone out with our police and our fire 3192 02:27:40,800 --> 02:27:42,960 um and talked to other staff, but I've 3193 02:27:42,960 --> 02:27:45,439 always just gone to the mayor's office 3194 02:27:45,439 --> 02:27:48,479 and asked first um for permission to do 3195 02:27:48,479 --> 02:27:51,680 so um because I feel like I don't want 3196 02:27:51,680 --> 02:27:54,080 to overstep my role and that the mayor, 3197 02:27:54,080 --> 02:27:56,880 you know, I've really usually just said, 3198 02:27:56,880 --> 02:27:59,920 um is it okay if I, you know, sit down 3199 02:27:59,920 --> 02:28:03,200 and talk with X, Y, or Z or, you know, 3200 02:28:03,200 --> 02:28:06,120 go out uh and and try to be a group of 3201 02:28:06,120 --> 02:28:09,000 commisser. Um I'm not really 3202 02:28:09,000 --> 02:28:11,120 understanding. I mean to me it's sort of 3203 02:28:11,120 --> 02:28:13,000 simple, doesn't need a lot of 3204 02:28:13,000 --> 02:28:15,359 conversation. Um it's simple and 3205 02:28:15,359 --> 02:28:17,280 straightforward. Mr. Williams has put a 3206 02:28:17,280 --> 02:28:20,640 request in. Uh he's been given access 3207 02:28:20,640 --> 02:28:24,160 anytime he has asked for asked to 3208 02:28:24,160 --> 02:28:28,000 uh spend time with uh the assessment 3209 02:28:28,000 --> 02:28:31,439 office. I declined that because of 3210 02:28:31,439 --> 02:28:35,359 pending workplace violence claims, other 3211 02:28:35,359 --> 02:28:37,439 questions that are being dealt with with 3212 02:28:37,439 --> 02:28:40,160 city council's rapport with that office 3213 02:28:40,160 --> 02:28:42,720 in internal conflicts that I had. So, 3214 02:28:42,720 --> 02:28:44,960 putting another council member in there, 3215 02:28:44,960 --> 02:28:46,960 I felt grossly complicated the 3216 02:28:46,960 --> 02:28:49,680 operations of that department. I 3217 02:28:49,680 --> 02:28:52,800 declined it. And when those issues are 3218 02:28:52,800 --> 02:28:55,680 resolved, he's more than happy to spend 3219 02:28:55,680 --> 02:28:57,280 time in the assessment or any other 3220 02:28:57,280 --> 02:28:59,080 office that he 3221 02:28:59,080 --> 02:29:02,160 wants. Mr. Bonds, right? And I'd say at 3222 02:29:02,160 --> 02:29:03,920 this time, this is the most information 3223 02:29:03,920 --> 02:29:05,680 I've received on the topic. Had I 3224 02:29:05,680 --> 02:29:07,920 received that when asked, I think that 3225 02:29:07,920 --> 02:29:09,920 would have prevented me taking these 3226 02:29:09,920 --> 02:29:11,840 measures. I would say at this present 3227 02:29:11,840 --> 02:29:14,160 time we are at this juncture and I think 3228 02:29:14,160 --> 02:29:16,640 it is important to put in place a policy 3229 02:29:16,640 --> 02:29:18,399 so that there is not the need to have to 3230 02:29:18,399 --> 02:29:26,429 replicate this course of events. 3231 02:29:26,439 --> 02:29:28,720 I still think it's the prerogative of 3232 02:29:28,720 --> 02:29:30,720 the mayor to you know approve or not 3233 02:29:30,720 --> 02:29:33,120 approve. Um so so I don't really think 3234 02:29:33,120 --> 02:29:35,040 we need a policy I guess is what I'm 3235 02:29:35,040 --> 02:29:37,200 saying. 3236 02:29:37,200 --> 02:29:40,319 So Mr. Williams and then Mr. Right. But 3237 02:29:40,319 --> 02:29:42,080 I would say there's also the prerogative 3238 02:29:42,080 --> 02:29:43,520 if you're asking for an update to 3239 02:29:43,520 --> 02:29:46,720 receive a response and this conversation 3240 02:29:46,720 --> 02:29:48,720 where you point how to receive a 3241 02:29:48,720 --> 02:29:50,640 response. 3242 02:29:50,640 --> 02:29:52,240 Thank you. Again, as Miss Patrick says, 3243 02:29:52,240 --> 02:29:54,399 I think it's up to the mayor. Um, you 3244 02:29:54,399 --> 02:29:55,840 know, different departments at different 3245 02:29:55,840 --> 02:29:59,120 times may be busy. Um, and you know, 3246 02:29:59,120 --> 02:30:01,280 it's not a place for shadowing at that 3247 02:30:01,280 --> 02:30:03,840 particular time during tax receipts or 3248 02:30:03,840 --> 02:30:06,000 things like that. So, um, again, you 3249 02:30:06,000 --> 02:30:08,160 know, we go to the mayor, you request 3250 02:30:08,160 --> 02:30:11,040 it. The I did provide an email response. 3251 02:30:11,040 --> 02:30:13,040 It was a brief summary, not to get into 3252 02:30:13,040 --> 02:30:16,240 the gross details of it. And sorry 3253 02:30:16,240 --> 02:30:17,840 things don't move quite as fast as you 3254 02:30:17,840 --> 02:30:20,080 like, but that's my position. Still 3255 02:30:20,080 --> 02:30:21,840 would decline the council member 3256 02:30:21,840 --> 02:30:23,520 engaging in anything with the assessment 3257 02:30:23,520 --> 02:30:26,040 office. Okay. Before 3258 02:30:26,040 --> 02:30:28,359 we 3259 02:30:28,359 --> 02:30:32,800 address, so I but how I understand what 3260 02:30:32,800 --> 02:30:35,680 Mr. Williams is saying is that having a 3261 02:30:35,680 --> 02:30:38,800 process in place 3262 02:30:38,800 --> 02:30:42,200 um can increase that communication. 3263 02:30:42,200 --> 02:30:44,560 Therefore, I I don't think that Hold on 3264 02:30:44,560 --> 02:30:46,080 a second, Mr. Mayor. I'll be done in a 3265 02:30:46,080 --> 02:30:47,760 second. Thank you. What I was saying is 3266 02:30:47,760 --> 02:30:49,680 that I don't think Mr. Williams was 3267 02:30:49,680 --> 02:30:52,399 suggesting at all that you're not going 3268 02:30:52,399 --> 02:30:55,280 to approve or disapprove, but maybe 3269 02:30:55,280 --> 02:30:58,800 having like a hey, I want to visit this 3270 02:30:58,800 --> 02:31:01,120 department for this reason. and then you 3271 02:31:01,120 --> 02:31:03,840 or who you your designate says, "Hey, 3272 02:31:03,840 --> 02:31:06,240 thank you call for your interest in this 3273 02:31:06,240 --> 02:31:09,040 um doesn't work this time, maybe look to 3274 02:31:09,040 --> 02:31:11,040 the future and just operationalizing 3275 02:31:11,040 --> 02:31:13,200 that." That might not be uh the worst 3276 02:31:13,200 --> 02:31:15,840 idea and I would hate for uh this to 3277 02:31:15,840 --> 02:31:18,720 turn into um something um more along the 3278 02:31:18,720 --> 02:31:21,280 lines of uh where we're drawing lines in 3279 02:31:21,280 --> 02:31:23,359 the sand around access to departments, 3280 02:31:23,359 --> 02:31:25,600 but we don't need to do that. we can 3281 02:31:25,600 --> 02:31:29,439 just uh I I agree that it is in reality 3282 02:31:29,439 --> 02:31:31,880 and I think that by having 3283 02:31:31,880 --> 02:31:35,680 something as a process um wouldn't be a 3284 02:31:35,680 --> 02:31:37,120 worse thing. I don't see like why would 3285 02:31:37,120 --> 02:31:38,640 we even might push back on something 3286 02:31:38,640 --> 02:31:39,840 like that. Well, why don't we look at 3287 02:31:39,840 --> 02:31:41,760 the process? So, I've been here I think 3288 02:31:41,760 --> 02:31:46,720 13 years 14 years might even be today is 3289 02:31:46,720 --> 02:31:49,200 the anniversary. Have never declined 3290 02:31:49,200 --> 02:31:52,560 one. Everybody's had access one time. 3291 02:31:52,560 --> 02:31:54,640 So, if the council wants to change that 3292 02:31:54,640 --> 02:31:56,720 policy so that everything is reviewed 3293 02:31:56,720 --> 02:31:59,280 and we'll periodically decline stuff, go 3294 02:31:59,280 --> 02:32:01,040 ahead. 3295 02:32:01,040 --> 02:32:03,040 I don't think we need to. I mean, I'm 3296 02:32:03,040 --> 02:32:05,680 not on this committee, but I it sounds 3297 02:32:05,680 --> 02:32:08,640 like it was a one-off. 3298 02:32:08,640 --> 02:32:10,560 I guess my question unless other people 3299 02:32:10,560 --> 02:32:13,280 have had um I mean, I've never It's 3300 02:32:13,280 --> 02:32:17,800 never happened before. So, it's a one 3301 02:32:17,800 --> 02:32:19,920 time and there are issues still there 3302 02:32:19,920 --> 02:32:28,790 that I'm dealing with. 3303 02:32:28,800 --> 02:32:31,120 So, this question is for the mayor since 3304 02:32:31,120 --> 02:32:34,399 um um involves a council member. Is that 3305 02:32:34,399 --> 02:32:35,760 something you want to tell us about in 3306 02:32:35,760 --> 02:32:36,960 executive session or is that something 3307 02:32:36,960 --> 02:32:39,280 you prefer not to I'm not going to get 3308 02:32:39,280 --> 02:32:42,240 into it at this point. Okay. Allegations 3309 02:32:42,240 --> 02:32:43,920 and there's discussion and review the 3310 02:32:43,920 --> 02:32:46,000 time going. Okay. and the assessment 3311 02:32:46,000 --> 02:32:49,469 office you 3312 02:32:49,479 --> 02:32:52,000 said with quotes around that maybe I 3313 02:32:52,000 --> 02:32:54,880 don't concern. Yes. So I guess my 3314 02:32:54,880 --> 02:32:57,840 further question is um if there were 3315 02:32:57,840 --> 02:33:00,319 requests for shadowing the department 3316 02:33:00,319 --> 02:33:02,240 where there people were not having uh 3317 02:33:02,240 --> 02:33:04,160 concern with their interaction with the 3318 02:33:04,160 --> 02:33:05,120 council member. That's something that 3319 02:33:05,120 --> 02:33:06,880 would I just said that it's never been 3320 02:33:06,880 --> 02:33:08,880 declined before. Mr. Williams has never 3321 02:33:08,880 --> 02:33:12,560 been declined. Uh we have police here. 3322 02:33:12,560 --> 02:33:14,160 want to go out with the police tonight. 3323 02:33:14,160 --> 02:33:17,359 So, they'll make it available. 3324 02:33:17,359 --> 02:33:26,990 They 3325 02:33:27,000 --> 02:33:30,640 make so for clarity, how I understand it 3326 02:33:30,640 --> 02:33:33,439 is that the the the fact that you 3327 02:33:33,439 --> 02:33:37,280 declined um wasn't the issue. It was the 3328 02:33:37,280 --> 02:33:39,439 fact that uh there was um you were 3329 02:33:39,439 --> 02:33:41,600 trying to understand understand why that 3330 02:33:41,600 --> 02:33:44,080 was and you know that a process had a 3331 02:33:44,080 --> 02:33:46,479 process in place to explain that. I'm 3332 02:33:46,479 --> 02:33:49,439 sorry miss just talking out loud. Sorry. 3333 02:33:49,439 --> 02:33:52,479 Okay. You have the floor. No, I just 3334 02:33:52,479 --> 02:33:53,680 think it's something that could just be 3335 02:33:53,680 --> 02:33:55,920 handled oneonone. Um doesn't need to 3336 02:33:55,920 --> 02:33:58,080 come to council. Okay. I would Sounds 3337 02:33:58,080 --> 02:33:59,359 like there was a there was a little bit 3338 02:33:59,359 --> 02:34:01,840 of a disagreement and 3339 02:34:01,840 --> 02:34:04,640 No. And at at this point I'm not going 3340 02:34:04,640 --> 02:34:07,040 to speak up. I understand that the mayor 3341 02:34:07,040 --> 02:34:08,720 is going to make decisions with the best 3342 02:34:08,720 --> 02:34:10,479 interest of city hall in mind and I 3343 02:34:10,479 --> 02:34:13,040 contend to that openly. If as a council 3344 02:34:13,040 --> 02:34:15,439 member I am asking for an update so that 3345 02:34:15,439 --> 02:34:17,520 I can uphold the duties that I was voted 3346 02:34:17,520 --> 02:34:20,479 on to perform and I do not get an answer 3347 02:34:20,479 --> 02:34:23,040 back. This is the only formal process we 3348 02:34:23,040 --> 02:34:26,080 have so I can receive said answer. I've 3349 02:34:26,080 --> 02:34:28,080 gotten that today but I did not receive 3350 02:34:28,080 --> 02:34:31,680 that prior to today. you know, and and 3351 02:34:31,680 --> 02:34:33,760 Miss Patrick, I I would echo what you're 3352 02:34:33,760 --> 02:34:35,520 saying around like maybe some one-on-one 3353 02:34:35,520 --> 02:34:37,600 conversations. Um, the conversation 3354 02:34:37,600 --> 02:34:39,040 usually involves two people, unless 3355 02:34:39,040 --> 02:34:40,560 you're me driving your car, sometimes I 3356 02:34:40,560 --> 02:34:42,479 talk to myself, but usually you have to 3357 02:34:42,479 --> 02:34:43,680 have two people that are willing to 3358 02:34:43,680 --> 02:34:46,080 participate and for it to be uh at least 3359 02:34:46,080 --> 02:34:48,000 reciprocal communication. So I think 3360 02:34:48,000 --> 02:34:51,359 that and I agree, but I also will 3361 02:34:51,359 --> 02:34:54,000 highlight that often if we're having a 3362 02:34:54,000 --> 02:34:55,680 candid conversation here, which is 3363 02:34:55,680 --> 02:34:57,520 appears that we are, there's multiple 3364 02:34:57,520 --> 02:34:58,640 things that are brought to this table 3365 02:34:58,640 --> 02:34:59,920 that could be summed up in the 3366 02:34:59,920 --> 02:35:01,040 conversation. I think we just 3367 02:35:01,040 --> 02:35:02,880 experienced one of those things a couple 3368 02:35:02,880 --> 02:35:05,200 minutes ago with the email um that was 3369 02:35:05,200 --> 02:35:07,359 shared uh that wasn't necessarily on the 3370 02:35:07,359 --> 02:35:09,760 agenda. So I agree with that practice as 3371 02:35:09,760 --> 02:35:11,680 making sure that we can um streamline 3372 02:35:11,680 --> 02:35:13,359 communication in a more effective 3373 02:35:13,359 --> 02:35:14,760 manner. 3374 02:35:14,760 --> 02:35:17,920 Um but if communication if someone is 3375 02:35:17,920 --> 02:35:22,160 reaching out um and is not uh being 3376 02:35:22,160 --> 02:35:24,000 communicated back with or at least 3377 02:35:24,000 --> 02:35:26,240 sufficient communication then one must 3378 02:35:26,240 --> 02:35:28,240 take steps. So I but I do agree with 3379 02:35:28,240 --> 02:35:30,560 that and I hope that we all can hold 3380 02:35:30,560 --> 02:35:32,399 ourselves to that standard of reaching 3381 02:35:32,399 --> 02:35:34,080 out to people and not trying to make a 3382 02:35:34,080 --> 02:35:35,920 spectacle or something at a a council 3383 02:35:35,920 --> 02:35:37,520 meeting or a committee meeting. Maybe we 3384 02:35:37,520 --> 02:35:40,319 all should think about that. Mhm. 3385 02:35:40,319 --> 02:35:42,000 Cuz I don't think that that's what 3386 02:35:42,000 --> 02:35:44,240 necessarily uh this is. I think that 3387 02:35:44,240 --> 02:35:46,160 this was pretty clear that he was okay 3388 02:35:46,160 --> 02:35:48,000 with the no but wanted to get the 3389 02:35:48,000 --> 02:35:49,439 information and felt like he wasn't. So 3390 02:35:49,439 --> 02:35:51,200 now he's putting something in place so 3391 02:35:51,200 --> 02:35:52,640 it doesn't happen again moving forward. 3392 02:35:52,640 --> 02:35:55,630 And I think that that's 3393 02:35:55,640 --> 02:35:58,120 a appropriate 3394 02:35:58,120 --> 02:36:00,080 response. Any other questions about 3395 02:36:00,080 --> 02:36:01,439 that? Is that something that you want to 3396 02:36:01,439 --> 02:36:03,840 um have a further conversation about, 3397 02:36:03,840 --> 02:36:07,200 Mr. Williams? So, no need to uh move 3398 02:36:07,200 --> 02:36:09,120 anything on that. I need more. Okay. 3399 02:36:09,120 --> 02:36:18,960 Thank you. Moving on to our fourth. How do you pronounce this? 3400 02:36:18,960 --> 02:36:21,080 Last 3401 02:36:21,080 --> 02:36:23,600 time Mr. Williams last time I called it 3402 02:36:23,600 --> 02:36:26,560 before. It wasn't don't do that. Come 3403 02:36:26,560 --> 02:36:28,000 on. 3404 02:36:28,000 --> 02:36:29,600 So I think for the sake of time when I 3405 02:36:29,600 --> 02:36:32,000 said briefly move through uh with still 3406 02:36:32,000 --> 02:36:36,160 giving proper uh uh validity to this um 3407 02:36:36,160 --> 02:36:39,840 I put in place just some um information 3408 02:36:39,840 --> 02:36:41,359 I've been able to compile I didn't 3409 02:36:41,359 --> 02:36:43,200 receive any updates. We definitely can 3410 02:36:43,200 --> 02:36:45,200 receive that from the council right now 3411 02:36:45,200 --> 02:36:46,880 essentially what I've compiled with 3412 02:36:46,880 --> 02:36:48,720 respect to this position was it should 3413 02:36:48,720 --> 02:36:50,880 be a city resident over the age of 21. 3414 02:36:50,880 --> 02:36:54,160 Um part of the expectations is um 3415 02:36:54,160 --> 02:36:55,520 supporting civic and community media 3416 02:36:55,520 --> 02:36:56,960 engagement opportunities. This 3417 02:36:56,960 --> 02:36:59,040 individual must have published bodies of 3418 02:36:59,040 --> 02:37:02,120 work or more uh cannot have a previous 3419 02:37:02,120 --> 02:37:05,439 polarate um and then the porates will be 3420 02:37:05,439 --> 02:37:08,640 chosen um by a nominating committee and 3421 02:37:08,640 --> 02:37:10,720 then this committee will also serve as a 3422 02:37:10,720 --> 02:37:12,640 reviewing committee to ensure the works 3423 02:37:12,640 --> 02:37:16,240 of this uh position are upheld. Uh there 3424 02:37:16,240 --> 02:37:18,560 were previous comments about wanting to 3425 02:37:18,560 --> 02:37:20,720 investigate the previous commission or 3426 02:37:20,720 --> 02:37:22,319 the previous position at the county 3427 02:37:22,319 --> 02:37:24,800 level. They're confirmed that position 3428 02:37:24,800 --> 02:37:27,040 does not exist. Uh there were further 3429 02:37:27,040 --> 02:37:28,560 conversations about whether we could 3430 02:37:28,560 --> 02:37:31,200 integrate uh across the county. Uh and I 3431 02:37:31,200 --> 02:37:32,960 think that'd be a conversation with the 3432 02:37:32,960 --> 02:37:35,520 nominee reviewing committee and also the 3433 02:37:35,520 --> 02:37:37,359 first port laurate. I don't think there 3434 02:37:37,359 --> 02:37:39,439 will be any issues with that. Um there's 3435 02:37:39,439 --> 02:37:40,880 a big county with a lot of significant 3436 02:37:40,880 --> 02:37:43,280 needs. I've been referencing Saratoga's 3437 02:37:43,280 --> 02:37:45,760 Fort Laurate and it seems as though this 3438 02:37:45,760 --> 02:37:47,520 individual has been presenting written 3439 02:37:47,520 --> 02:37:50,240 works at holiday engagements um and 3440 02:37:50,240 --> 02:37:52,160 they're published online. I think the 3441 02:37:52,160 --> 02:37:53,680 next step would be just formal 3442 02:37:53,680 --> 02:37:55,760 formalizing some language so that we can 3443 02:37:55,760 --> 02:37:58,000 add this to the city's website and also 3444 02:37:58,000 --> 02:38:00,880 to um publish their works on the city 3445 02:38:00,880 --> 02:38:02,960 website. But um without any further 3446 02:38:02,960 --> 02:38:04,560 questions, it would just be me coming 3447 02:38:04,560 --> 02:38:07,040 back putting this to writing and then 3448 02:38:07,040 --> 02:38:09,040 having us read that uh review that 3449 02:38:09,040 --> 02:38:11,920 formal text. Sure. My my only thought 3450 02:38:11,920 --> 02:38:14,200 would be then not having something 3451 02:38:14,200 --> 02:38:17,359 published initially. I think maybe we 3452 02:38:17,359 --> 02:38:19,200 should broaden that a little bit cuz you 3453 02:38:19,200 --> 02:38:20,720 might have those people that have been 3454 02:38:20,720 --> 02:38:22,240 working on their craft for a while but 3455 02:38:22,240 --> 02:38:23,920 haven't necessarily acting published but 3456 02:38:23,920 --> 02:38:25,439 then we be the first person to publish 3457 02:38:25,439 --> 02:38:28,080 it just to cast a wide net. But this is 3458 02:38:28,080 --> 02:38:30,319 really good. Yeah. No, I definitely 3459 02:38:30,319 --> 02:38:32,080 think the person should I I agree with 3460 02:38:32,080 --> 02:38:35,040 Mr. Williams initial um you know again 3461 02:38:35,040 --> 02:38:36,720 doing a lot of research about this and 3462 02:38:36,720 --> 02:38:38,399 thinking about other poet laureates. I 3463 02:38:38,399 --> 02:38:39,680 think the person should have a 3464 02:38:39,680 --> 02:38:42,000 substantial body of work already 3465 02:38:42,000 --> 02:38:45,120 published to earn the honorarium of of 3466 02:38:45,120 --> 02:38:48,560 being the poet laurate. Um so I would I 3467 02:38:48,560 --> 02:38:50,640 would want to see a published body of 3468 02:38:50,640 --> 02:38:52,399 work. I'm fine for the nominating 3469 02:38:52,399 --> 02:38:54,240 committee or the selection committee to 3470 02:38:54,240 --> 02:38:57,840 make those further um what would you 3471 02:38:57,840 --> 02:39:00,560 call it? You know decide what the what 3472 02:39:00,560 --> 02:39:03,200 the criteria was going to be. But I do 3473 02:39:03,200 --> 02:39:05,880 think that somewhat of an extensive 3474 02:39:05,880 --> 02:39:12,880 published work um of poetry um would be important um if we were going 3475 02:39:12,880 --> 02:39:14,560 to be doing this. I did say the last 3476 02:39:14,560 --> 02:39:16,479 time the last meeting that we talked 3477 02:39:16,479 --> 02:39:18,720 about this that I know Mr. Williams was 3478 02:39:18,720 --> 02:39:22,479 suggesting maybe not have and I know we haven't put this in the budget but 3479 02:39:22,479 --> 02:39:25,520 not having an honorarium. Um but I do 3480 02:39:25,520 --> 02:39:27,680 think that especially if I mean in my 3481 02:39:27,680 --> 02:39:29,920 experience poet laurate would be 3482 02:39:29,920 --> 02:39:32,160 especially like this is national poetry 3483 02:39:32,160 --> 02:39:34,479 month you know would be going into the 3484 02:39:34,479 --> 02:39:38,479 schools and um talking to you know 3485 02:39:38,479 --> 02:39:41,120 teaching poetry and and working with 3486 02:39:41,120 --> 02:39:43,840 kids in the schools um during national 3487 02:39:43,840 --> 02:39:46,880 poetry month. Um, and I think if we were 3488 02:39:46,880 --> 02:39:48,960 going to be, you know, hoping that 3489 02:39:48,960 --> 02:39:51,359 somebody would have that, um, they 3490 02:39:51,359 --> 02:39:52,800 they'd also want to have some teaching 3491 02:39:52,800 --> 02:39:54,399 experience. Obviously, they have to be 3492 02:39:54,399 --> 02:39:56,160 able to be able to communicate with 3493 02:39:56,160 --> 02:39:59,200 children, but, um, you know, that there 3494 02:39:59,200 --> 02:40:01,680 would be some sort of stipend um, for 3495 02:40:01,680 --> 02:40:03,760 the poet laurate. Um, yet to be 3496 02:40:03,760 --> 02:40:05,680 determined how we get that money, but 3497 02:40:05,680 --> 02:40:08,080 um, I have some ideas there myself, but 3498 02:40:08,080 --> 02:40:09,840 um, and shared some of those with Mr. 3499 02:40:09,840 --> 02:40:12,319 Williams. But I do think that that cuz 3500 02:40:12,319 --> 02:40:14,319 it's going to be work uh for this 3501 02:40:14,319 --> 02:40:17,120 person. Uh you know, usually they might 3502 02:40:17,120 --> 02:40:18,880 go in for like a full week and do like 3503 02:40:18,880 --> 02:40:20,800 every third grade, every fourth grade, 3504 02:40:20,800 --> 02:40:22,720 and then a public presentation or 3505 02:40:22,720 --> 02:40:24,640 something like that. So, you know, but 3506 02:40:24,640 --> 02:40:26,640 it's just something to consider. But I I 3507 02:40:26,640 --> 02:40:29,200 do like the idea. Um because I know that 3508 02:40:29,200 --> 02:40:31,359 you did do some research and and did do 3509 02:40:31,359 --> 02:40:33,760 some some thought about this with other 3510 02:40:33,760 --> 02:40:36,720 looking at other poet laurates. 3511 02:40:36,720 --> 02:40:38,960 Yeah. So not so and I I agree and I can 3512 02:40:38,960 --> 02:40:40,399 see why there's some well I don't 3513 02:40:40,399 --> 02:40:41,680 necessarily agree but I can see where 3514 02:40:41,680 --> 02:40:44,319 that there's um um some value in having 3515 02:40:44,319 --> 02:40:46,479 someone has a significant amount of 3516 02:40:46,479 --> 02:40:50,160 published work. So my thought on on that 3517 02:40:50,160 --> 02:40:52,160 and I didn't want to spend too much time 3518 02:40:52,160 --> 02:40:54,640 on it due to what Mr. Williams opened up 3519 02:40:54,640 --> 02:40:56,319 the topic but I think it's it's not 3520 02:40:56,319 --> 02:40:59,439 worthy to say that. So right here in 3521 02:40:59,439 --> 02:41:01,760 Skenctity um we've done one of the 3522 02:41:01,760 --> 02:41:04,399 largest uh spoken word poetry shows in 3523 02:41:04,399 --> 02:41:06,319 New York State. right here at Proctor 3524 02:41:06,319 --> 02:41:08,720 and a large amount of those poets, they 3525 02:41:08,720 --> 02:41:11,040 are spoken word artists and they don't 3526 02:41:11,040 --> 02:41:12,720 have things that are traditionally 3527 02:41:12,720 --> 02:41:15,920 published but now nowadays um you know 3528 02:41:15,920 --> 02:41:18,800 people self-publish online on blogs, 3529 02:41:18,800 --> 02:41:20,960 things of that nature. So I think that 3530 02:41:20,960 --> 02:41:23,680 if we it would just be and and I don't 3531 02:41:23,680 --> 02:41:24,800 think this is something that we need to 3532 02:41:24,800 --> 02:41:26,479 hash out now. I just wanted to be clear 3533 02:41:26,479 --> 02:41:28,479 that my intention around them not having 3534 02:41:28,479 --> 02:41:30,319 to have something um published. I think 3535 02:41:30,319 --> 02:41:32,560 in more of the traditional published 3536 02:41:32,560 --> 02:41:34,000 sense and I want to make sure that we 3537 02:41:34,000 --> 02:41:36,560 are incre increasing always access and 3538 02:41:36,560 --> 02:41:38,720 opportunities cuz we get a larger more 3539 02:41:38,720 --> 02:41:40,720 diverse population when we do so. So 3540 02:41:40,720 --> 02:41:42,160 that's that was my intention around 3541 02:41:42,160 --> 02:41:45,520 that. So I would say we can simply 3542 02:41:45,520 --> 02:41:46,680 broaden that 3543 02:41:46,680 --> 02:41:50,000 definition to incorporate new age. So I 3544 02:41:50,000 --> 02:41:54,030 think that's a 3545 02:41:54,040 --> 02:41:56,720 way together. Um any other questions or 3546 02:41:56,720 --> 02:41:58,280 thoughts on 3547 02:41:58,280 --> 02:42:00,880 this hearing? None. I will accept a 3548 02:42:00,880 --> 02:42:02,560 motion to adjourn by two weeks. Oh, 3549 02:42:02,560 --> 02:42:03,600 you're going to bring it back two weeks. 3550 02:42:03,600 --> 02:42:05,439 Awesome. Okay. Thank you, Mr. Br two 3551 02:42:05,439 --> 02:42:09,120 weeks. Second. We are journ. Thank you. 3552 02:42:09,120 --> 02:42:11,359 I'd like to call uh to order public 3553 02:42:11,359 --> 02:42:13,359 service and utilities. We have two items 3554 02:42:13,359 --> 02:42:16,560 on the agenda tonight. Uh Grace Road and 3555 02:42:16,560 --> 02:42:29,389 uh discussion regarding street. 3556 02:42:29,399 --> 02:42:31,399 Hello. 3557 02:42:31,399 --> 02:42:33,920 A legislative request we have in front 3558 02:42:33,920 --> 02:42:36,000 of you tonight is for what we're calling 3559 02:42:36,000 --> 02:42:38,240 phase three of the um price well 3560 02:42:38,240 --> 02:42:40,479 waterfall project. Um we started this 3561 02:42:40,479 --> 02:42:43,600 about 3 years ago. Um uh moving forward 3562 02:42:43,600 --> 02:42:45,359 we put the new wells in. We put three 3563 02:42:45,359 --> 02:42:47,840 new wells in. Um then we moved into the 3564 02:42:47,840 --> 02:42:50,399 flidation uh part of it and this is the 3565 02:42:50,399 --> 02:42:52,080 final phase where it would be the 3566 02:42:52,080 --> 02:42:55,040 wellhouses themselves mechanical um 3567 02:42:55,040 --> 02:42:56,640 general contracting electrical 3568 02:42:56,640 --> 02:42:58,720 contracting uh which includes a new 3569 02:42:58,720 --> 02:43:01,359 substation. So you have a sort of a 3570 02:43:01,359 --> 02:43:03,920 standalone system at the water wells. Um 3571 02:43:03,920 --> 02:43:06,000 so there's a redundant system to always 3572 02:43:06,000 --> 02:43:07,920 be able to provide drinking water to the 3573 02:43:07,920 --> 02:43:09,600 city safety if something was to happen 3574 02:43:09,600 --> 02:43:12,479 to the main building at the plant. Um 3575 02:43:12,479 --> 02:43:14,640 originally we had 12 wells there. Uh 3576 02:43:14,640 --> 02:43:17,439 we're down to eight. We did put three in 3577 02:43:17,439 --> 02:43:19,600 a year and a half ago. Uh good 3578 02:43:19,600 --> 02:43:21,120 producers. They produce about 3,000 3579 02:43:21,120 --> 02:43:23,680 gallons a minute. So this would be the 3580 02:43:23,680 --> 02:43:25,600 uh the final phase or phase three of the 3581 02:43:25,600 --> 02:43:29,840 project to get everything online. Um the 3582 02:43:29,840 --> 02:43:31,920 general contract, the lowest responsible 3583 02:43:31,920 --> 02:43:37,070 bidder was Keller at 3584 02:43:37,080 --> 02:43:40,240 $5,224,668. And the electrical contract 3585 02:43:40,240 --> 02:43:43,680 should go to Stillson Electric. Um the 3586 02:43:43,680 --> 02:43:46,279 low bid was disqualified because it was 3587 02:43:46,279 --> 02:43:48,720 insufficient. So a low bid on the 3588 02:43:48,720 --> 02:43:51,080 electrical to the one vendor was 3589 02:43:51,080 --> 02:43:53,200 disqualified. Um and that was based on 3590 02:43:53,200 --> 02:43:55,680 recommendations from law. So the second 3591 02:43:55,680 --> 02:43:57,760 next responsible bid would be still 3592 02:43:57,760 --> 02:44:02,640 electric for 2.784 million. Um so we 3593 02:44:02,640 --> 02:44:06,720 move this forward. Any questions? Yes. 3594 02:44:06,720 --> 02:44:08,319 Actually the this is for corporation 3595 02:44:08,319 --> 02:44:10,479 council. Um can you just without giving 3596 02:44:10,479 --> 02:44:11,439 us the name can you give us the 3597 02:44:11,439 --> 02:44:14,160 parameters that that why um what was the 3598 02:44:14,160 --> 02:44:17,120 insufficiency was unresponsive there's 3599 02:44:17,120 --> 02:44:18,720 certain requirements you have to you 3600 02:44:18,720 --> 02:44:20,640 know when you deal with steel bidding 3601 02:44:20,640 --> 02:44:22,640 you have to hit all those benchmarks and 3602 02:44:22,640 --> 02:44:25,279 they missed the benchmark efficient so 3603 02:44:25,279 --> 02:44:28,720 therefore it's not considered okay thank 3604 02:44:28,720 --> 02:44:34,560 you any other questions miss so um this 3605 02:44:34,560 --> 02:44:38,240 uh so the funding is already it says to 3606 02:44:38,240 --> 02:44:40,240 for major to be determined. Yes, I spoke 3607 02:44:40,240 --> 02:44:42,319 to Derek uh this morning on there are 3608 02:44:42,319 --> 02:44:43,439 different funding sources we have to 3609 02:44:43,439 --> 02:44:45,120 pull from. There's money left over from 3610 02:44:45,120 --> 02:44:47,040 the original grant. We did get a grant 3611 02:44:47,040 --> 02:44:49,680 for $3 million to do the wells wasn't 3612 02:44:49,680 --> 02:44:51,279 all expended. So, there's money there. 3613 02:44:51,279 --> 02:44:52,960 So, it'll be a combination of different 3614 02:44:52,960 --> 02:44:54,880 cost codes. And then there will be some 3615 02:44:54,880 --> 02:44:56,720 city funds that were approved 3616 02:44:56,720 --> 02:44:59,120 previously. I think it was right. So, 3617 02:44:59,120 --> 02:45:05,469 but all the money is there. 3618 02:45:05,479 --> 02:45:09,040 Yes. Give her 3619 02:45:09,040 --> 02:45:11,120 That's my question. Okay. Would you 3620 02:45:11,120 --> 02:45:13,040 rather drink water? All right. Fair 3621 02:45:13,040 --> 02:45:14,560 enough. 3622 02:45:14,560 --> 02:45:17,279 Oh, seeing that seeing no other 3623 02:45:17,279 --> 02:45:19,920 questions, um I'd like to uh recommend 3624 02:45:19,920 --> 02:45:22,160 that we u move forward with the 3625 02:45:22,160 --> 02:45:28,670 contracts for uh William J. Suns for 3626 02:45:28,680 --> 02:45:31,080 5,224,668 and Sterling 3627 02:45:31,080 --> 02:45:35,230 electric in the amount of 3628 02:45:35,240 --> 02:45:40,710 $2,784,585 for a total of8,9253. 3629 02:45:40,720 --> 02:45:44,240 I'll make that motion. Second. 3630 02:45:44,240 --> 02:45:48,000 Mr. Manini. All in favor? 3631 02:45:48,000 --> 02:45:51,479 Thank you, Mr. Mr. U. Next is a 3632 02:45:51,479 --> 02:45:55,359 discussion uh regarding uh the W street 3633 02:45:55,359 --> 02:45:58,399 sewage pipeline pipeline. Mr. Williams, 3634 02:45:58,399 --> 02:46:00,000 thank you. So, this item is actually 3635 02:46:00,000 --> 02:46:02,560 going to be removed and added back on in 3636 02:46:02,560 --> 02:46:06,240 two weeks. Uh just for transparency uh a 3637 02:46:06,240 --> 02:46:08,000 more appropriate version of the petition 3638 02:46:08,000 --> 02:46:11,120 was presented and that provides uh more 3639 02:46:11,120 --> 02:46:13,439 of the ask for the city code. So, just 3640 02:46:13,439 --> 02:46:14,560 wanted to make sure there are no 3641 02:46:14,560 --> 02:46:16,880 barriers in place before this is 3642 02:46:16,880 --> 02:46:18,960 formally reviewed. 3643 02:46:18,960 --> 02:46:20,960 Can you take a motion to move it uh put 3644 02:46:20,960 --> 02:46:23,439 it on the agenda for two weeks? Yes. But 3645 02:46:23,439 --> 02:46:24,800 we don't have to move that. It's only a 3646 02:46:24,800 --> 02:46:27,600 discussion. Yes. Thank you. 3647 02:46:27,600 --> 02:46:31,120 Uh seeing nothing else um for public 3648 02:46:31,120 --> 02:46:33,439 service and utilities, I'd like to make 3649 02:46:33,439 --> 02:46:36,640 a motion to close. 3650 02:46:36,640 --> 02:46:40,240 Second. All in favor? 3651 02:46:40,240 --> 02:46:44,790 Second. Second. All in favor? 3652 02:46:44,800 --> 02:46:46,439 Or city development 3653 02:46:46,439 --> 02:46:51,479 site. We have 13 items on the 3654 02:46:51,479 --> 02:46:56,439 agenda. Um so the first item is the 3655 02:46:56,439 --> 02:46:59,120 um state environment policy secret for 3656 02:46:59,120 --> 02:47:00,720 the reszoning of the form of St. Clair's 3657 02:47:00,720 --> 02:47:04,319 Hospital. I don't see uh Miss Carver 3658 02:47:04,319 --> 02:47:07,319 present. 3659 02:47:07,319 --> 02:47:10,479 Mr. Okay, you're replacing Mr. Gil is 3660 02:47:10,479 --> 02:47:13,120 also available if there's any questions. 3661 02:47:13,120 --> 02:47:16,319 All right. Go ahead, sir. Um, so 3662 02:47:16,319 --> 02:47:18,000 speaking of place, Miss Carver was out 3663 02:47:18,000 --> 02:47:20,640 at a training this week. Um, last month 3664 02:47:20,640 --> 02:47:24,160 the planning commission reviewed the uh, 3665 02:47:24,160 --> 02:47:25,840 recommendation for the resoning for the 3666 02:47:25,840 --> 02:47:28,560 St. Clair's parcel and the 3667 02:47:28,560 --> 02:47:30,880 um, parcels next. 3668 02:47:30,880 --> 02:47:32,040 They voted 3669 02:47:32,040 --> 02:47:35,520 to recommend a resoning from it's 3670 02:47:35,520 --> 02:47:37,120 currently a mixture of institutional 3671 02:47:37,120 --> 02:47:39,840 districts R1 and R2. Reszone all of 3672 02:47:39,840 --> 02:47:42,240 those to R3. Um and then the 3673 02:47:42,240 --> 02:47:43,680 recommendation from the department of de 3674 02:47:43,680 --> 02:47:45,840 development was to adopt a negative 3675 02:47:45,840 --> 02:47:48,720 seeker declaration for this project. Um 3676 02:47:48,720 --> 02:47:51,760 the reason being is R3 was determined to 3677 02:47:51,760 --> 02:47:54,720 be the least intensive zoning district 3678 02:47:54,720 --> 02:47:58,000 that was feasible for this parcel. Um 3679 02:47:58,000 --> 02:47:59,359 other zoning districts were talked about 3680 02:47:59,359 --> 02:48:02,880 in terms of R1 R2 cuz demolition costs 3681 02:48:02,880 --> 02:48:04,800 and return on investment would were 3682 02:48:04,800 --> 02:48:07,200 deemed not infeasible for a vast 3683 02:48:07,200 --> 02:48:08,640 majority if not all potential 3684 02:48:08,640 --> 02:48:13,920 developers. Um, so R3 was a good use for 3685 02:48:13,920 --> 02:48:16,560 the parcel. It's about 20 acres total, 3686 02:48:16,560 --> 02:48:18,240 which would be suitable for multif 3687 02:48:18,240 --> 02:48:19,840 family development. Um, there's 3688 02:48:19,840 --> 02:48:21,520 sufficient parking on site in order to 3689 02:48:21,520 --> 02:48:24,720 accommodate that. And um, any potential 3690 02:48:24,720 --> 02:48:26,240 applicants that come forward could 3691 02:48:26,240 --> 02:48:28,479 potentially use some light commercial, 3692 02:48:28,479 --> 02:48:31,120 light retail um, in that, but not as 3693 02:48:31,120 --> 02:48:32,880 intensive as you would see in the 3694 02:48:32,880 --> 02:48:34,240 current institutional or other 3695 02:48:34,240 --> 02:48:37,359 commercial districts. Okay. Were there 3696 02:48:37,359 --> 02:48:39,520 any questions regarding this? 3697 02:48:39,520 --> 02:48:41,600 I'll entertain a motion. So move. So 3698 02:48:41,600 --> 02:48:45,560 second all in favor. Thank you. 3699 02:48:45,560 --> 02:48:49,840 And the second item is to u the city 3700 02:48:49,840 --> 02:48:51,439 zone map to reszone the properties that 3701 02:48:51,439 --> 02:48:54,240 make up former St. Clair's um from the 3702 02:48:54,240 --> 02:48:57,359 um institutional R institutional 3703 02:48:57,359 --> 02:48:59,520 district to R3 multiple family 3704 02:48:59,520 --> 02:49:00,880 residential. And there was a public 3705 02:49:00,880 --> 02:49:03,680 hearing on 224 and as recall no one came 3706 02:49:03,680 --> 02:49:05,920 to speak on that. Was there anyone 3707 02:49:05,920 --> 02:49:08,160 except Mr. Young I think. Were you there 3708 02:49:08,160 --> 02:49:10,240 for public hearing? Right. That was it. 3709 02:49:10,240 --> 02:49:12,480 But he was in favor of it. 3710 02:49:12,480 --> 02:49:14,880 [Music] 3711 02:49:14,880 --> 02:49:16,960 Meeting too with the neighborhood weeks 3712 02:49:16,960 --> 02:49:21,750 ago. So, 3713 02:49:21,760 --> 02:49:24,000 thank you. You're welcome. Thank you, 3714 02:49:24,000 --> 02:49:26,479 Jack, for covering the secret item. Uh, 3715 02:49:26,479 --> 02:49:28,240 this is a pivotal vote tonight. We hope 3716 02:49:28,240 --> 02:49:30,640 to move this forward next week. Uh, we 3717 02:49:30,640 --> 02:49:32,000 don't we can't have a big empty hospital 3718 02:49:32,000 --> 02:49:36,319 in the middle of the city. We just can't afford to knock it down. It cost 3719 02:49:36,319 --> 02:49:38,560 10 million bucks. Nobody has that money. 3720 02:49:38,560 --> 02:49:40,080 It'd be a shame to knock down. It's a 3721 02:49:40,080 --> 02:49:42,319 great building. It's uh it's got great 3722 02:49:42,319 --> 02:49:44,960 history. My two sons were born there. I 3723 02:49:44,960 --> 02:49:46,240 tell people, "My mother had a heart 3724 02:49:46,240 --> 02:49:47,760 attack in front of LS. She say, "Take me 3725 02:49:47,760 --> 02:49:49,200 to St. Clair's." You know, there's that 3726 02:49:49,200 --> 02:49:51,680 kind of history and connectity about 3727 02:49:51,680 --> 02:49:53,279 this building. So, we're going to save 3728 02:49:53,279 --> 02:49:55,120 it. We're going to preserve it. We have 3729 02:49:55,120 --> 02:49:56,640 developers who are going to put $50 3730 02:49:56,640 --> 02:49:59,760 million into it. Uh build a pool, 3731 02:49:59,760 --> 02:50:02,240 outdoor pool there, pickle ball courts. 3732 02:50:02,240 --> 02:50:05,600 It's going to be u daycare there, 200 3733 02:50:05,600 --> 02:50:08,160 some apartments. plenty of parking. It's 3734 02:50:08,160 --> 02:50:11,200 a less intensive use than a hospital. Uh 3735 02:50:11,200 --> 02:50:12,880 going to really help the the price 3736 02:50:12,880 --> 02:50:15,520 chopper next door, the market 32. Access 3737 02:50:15,520 --> 02:50:17,680 to the park. Uh the developers are 3738 02:50:17,680 --> 02:50:19,520 really excited about the project. 3739 02:50:19,520 --> 02:50:20,920 Unanimous vote by the planning 3740 02:50:20,920 --> 02:50:23,120 commission. Great neighborhood meeting 3741 02:50:23,120 --> 02:50:25,680 up on Albert Street uh a couple weeks 3742 02:50:25,680 --> 02:50:29,040 ago. Uh terrific turnout, a lot of good 3743 02:50:29,040 --> 02:50:31,279 back and forth, a lot of strong support. 3744 02:50:31,279 --> 02:50:33,600 The developers got a big ovation at the 3745 02:50:33,600 --> 02:50:34,800 end of the meeting. 3746 02:50:34,800 --> 02:50:36,479 We're really excited to move this 3747 02:50:36,479 --> 02:50:38,960 forward and uh get working on this 3748 02:50:38,960 --> 02:50:40,960 hospital and uh make sure we save the 3749 02:50:40,960 --> 02:50:43,279 building and um we get some developers 3750 02:50:43,279 --> 02:50:45,439 to put $50 million into our city. Be a 3751 02:50:45,439 --> 02:50:48,080 great great great uh move forward. Happy 3752 02:50:48,080 --> 02:50:50,319 to answer any questions. 3753 02:50:50,319 --> 02:50:52,080 Mr. Williams, uh just as a point of 3754 02:50:52,080 --> 02:50:54,800 clarity, I definitely like transparency. 3755 02:50:54,800 --> 02:50:57,439 There were some negative comments, not 3756 02:50:57,439 --> 02:51:03,120 say in comparison to the overwhelming uh positive response. uh those negative 3757 02:51:03,120 --> 02:51:04,800 concerns were with regards to winning a 3758 02:51:04,800 --> 02:51:07,359 traffic study and then just the negative 3759 02:51:07,359 --> 02:51:09,359 impacts of property value based on this. 3760 02:51:09,359 --> 02:51:11,040 Could you speak to those? Sure. So, we 3761 02:51:11,040 --> 02:51:13,200 looked at the traffic numbers and the 3762 02:51:13,200 --> 02:51:16,080 traffic numbers on Mlullen are way way 3763 02:51:16,080 --> 02:51:18,720 down like 30% down because it's no 3764 02:51:18,720 --> 02:51:20,160 longer a hospital. People aren't pulling 3765 02:51:20,160 --> 02:51:21,840 in in the middle of the night having 3766 02:51:21,840 --> 02:51:23,920 babies or having heart attacks or having 3767 02:51:23,920 --> 02:51:26,200 sick kids. They're not coming in with 3768 02:51:26,200 --> 02:51:28,160 sirens. They're not coming in with 3769 02:51:28,160 --> 02:51:31,760 ambulances and fire trucks. It's a much 3770 02:51:31,760 --> 02:51:34,080 quieter place and the traffic count will 3771 02:51:34,080 --> 02:51:36,000 continue to go down with this project. 3772 02:51:36,000 --> 02:51:39,120 So, it's a cal a traffic calming uh 3773 02:51:39,120 --> 02:51:41,439 project. Uh and we've looked at all the 3774 02:51:41,439 --> 02:51:43,120 numbers from DOT. So, I'm glad you rose 3775 02:51:43,120 --> 02:51:45,760 that arose raised that point. The next 3776 02:51:45,760 --> 02:51:48,000 issue was some people were saying, can't 3777 02:51:48,000 --> 02:51:50,000 you build single family homes there? 3778 02:51:50,000 --> 02:51:52,240 Well, you can't because there's three 3779 02:51:52,240 --> 02:51:53,920 medical buildings on the campus. They 3780 02:51:53,920 --> 02:51:55,920 all stay and the main hospital because 3781 02:51:55,920 --> 02:51:58,319 we're using historic tax credits has to 3782 02:51:58,319 --> 02:52:00,720 stay. But if you had someone came up and 3783 02:52:00,720 --> 02:52:02,720 magically dropped $10 million on us to 3784 02:52:02,720 --> 02:52:04,880 knock it down, you could only build a 3785 02:52:04,880 --> 02:52:06,960 handful of homes there because you still 3786 02:52:06,960 --> 02:52:08,479 have to have the driveway. You still 3787 02:52:08,479 --> 02:52:10,319 have the three medical buildings which 3788 02:52:10,319 --> 02:52:12,880 are owned by different folks. And then 3789 02:52:12,880 --> 02:52:14,960 you'd have a very small footprint of the 3790 02:52:14,960 --> 02:52:17,040 hospital to build single family homes, 3791 02:52:17,040 --> 02:52:19,600 but it it doesn't make sense. And you 3792 02:52:19,600 --> 02:52:21,920 you'd blow up this building that has a 3793 02:52:21,920 --> 02:52:23,840 great history and still has a strong 3794 02:52:23,840 --> 02:52:25,920 useful life ahead of it. So we're all 3795 02:52:25,920 --> 02:52:27,600 about preservation. would try to save 3796 02:52:27,600 --> 02:52:29,680 buildings rather than knock them down. 3797 02:52:29,680 --> 02:52:32,080 So those issues were addressed. Pro the 3798 02:52:32,080 --> 02:52:33,840 worst thing we had one woman from 3799 02:52:33,840 --> 02:52:36,560 Bradley that we talked to and she was 3800 02:52:36,560 --> 02:52:38,240 concerned. She said her property values 3801 02:52:38,240 --> 02:52:39,920 are really going up in the city which is 3802 02:52:39,920 --> 02:52:42,240 great and we we said the worst thing 3803 02:52:42,240 --> 02:52:44,399 that can happen is for nothing to 3804 02:52:44,399 --> 02:52:47,359 happen. The building goes dark. The 3805 02:52:47,359 --> 02:52:49,200 building gets shut down. then you're 3806 02:52:49,200 --> 02:52:50,800 going to have people dumping mattresses 3807 02:52:50,800 --> 02:52:53,760 there, parking cars there, abandoning 3808 02:52:53,760 --> 02:52:56,960 cars, um graffiti on the building. So, 3809 02:52:56,960 --> 02:52:59,600 the do nothing approach is the one 3810 02:52:59,600 --> 02:53:01,279 that's going to hurt property values the 3811 02:53:01,279 --> 02:53:03,680 most. So, we were really able to kind of 3812 02:53:03,680 --> 02:53:05,600 address that with some of the some of 3813 02:53:05,600 --> 02:53:07,279 the residents that we can't do nothing. 3814 02:53:07,279 --> 02:53:09,359 That just doesn't work. And you can't 3815 02:53:09,359 --> 02:53:11,600 build like three single family homes 3816 02:53:11,600 --> 02:53:13,920 there in the middle of a medical campus. 3817 02:53:13,920 --> 02:53:15,840 Just didn't make sense. So, those are 3818 02:53:15,840 --> 02:53:17,359 great points. I'm glad you raised them. 3819 02:53:17,359 --> 02:53:20,880 I think really this is a welcoming open 3820 02:53:20,880 --> 02:53:23,040 public meeting and uh everybody got 3821 02:53:23,040 --> 02:53:24,880 their answers their questions answered. 3822 02:53:24,880 --> 02:53:28,950 Thank you. 3823 02:53:28,960 --> 02:53:30,800 Sure. Just to address that really quick 3824 02:53:30,800 --> 02:53:32,080 as well because there were a few 3825 02:53:32,080 --> 02:53:34,640 negative comments at Oh, absolutely. 3826 02:53:34,640 --> 02:53:36,160 There were a few negative comments at 3827 02:53:36,160 --> 02:53:38,800 the planning commission as well. Um a 3828 02:53:38,800 --> 02:53:40,800 lot of them dealt with SP sites plan 3829 02:53:40,800 --> 02:53:42,960 specific comments. So if we talk about 3830 02:53:42,960 --> 02:53:44,319 just the resoning and we take the 3831 02:53:44,319 --> 02:53:45,720 applicant out of the 3832 02:53:45,720 --> 02:53:48,040 equation, leaving it as 3833 02:53:48,040 --> 02:53:50,319 institutional invites a lot of different 3834 02:53:50,319 --> 02:53:51,840 uses that would not be allowed in the 3835 02:53:51,840 --> 02:53:54,399 R3. That would exacerbate a lot of these 3836 02:53:54,399 --> 02:53:55,920 concerns. As Mr. Gillan said, it was an 3837 02:53:55,920 --> 02:53:58,399 active hospital before. That is on the 3838 02:53:58,399 --> 02:54:00,560 table currently. You could put in a more 3839 02:54:00,560 --> 02:54:02,080 intensive school that could be filled 3840 02:54:02,080 --> 02:54:04,720 up. you know, a lot of different items 3841 02:54:04,720 --> 02:54:06,399 and businesses that could attract a lot 3842 02:54:06,399 --> 02:54:08,960 more traffic um and a lot more potential 3843 02:54:08,960 --> 02:54:11,840 nuisances for the community that having 3844 02:54:11,840 --> 02:54:14,880 apartments will not. So, even if we take 3845 02:54:14,880 --> 02:54:16,640 the the specific application out that's 3846 02:54:16,640 --> 02:54:18,800 on the table, the reasoning is was 3847 02:54:18,800 --> 02:54:20,399 deemed to be the least intensive for the 3848 02:54:20,399 --> 02:54:22,800 neighborhood. Good point. Mr. Chair, 3849 02:54:22,800 --> 02:54:24,560 just to follow up, this is this is just 3850 02:54:24,560 --> 02:54:26,800 reszoning. This is not my use. This is 3851 02:54:26,800 --> 02:54:29,279 on resigning. So, right, this is that's 3852 02:54:29,279 --> 02:54:31,040 what's before the council. I'm getting 3853 02:54:31,040 --> 02:54:34,000 myself as usual. 3854 02:54:34,000 --> 02:54:36,560 Um, any other questions? Just a 3855 02:54:36,560 --> 02:54:39,439 clarification on the um Thank you. on 3856 02:54:39,439 --> 02:54:41,520 the legislative request uh on the 3857 02:54:41,520 --> 02:54:44,319 legislative request which is really uh 3858 02:54:44,319 --> 02:54:45,840 had to be up should have been updated. 3859 02:54:45,840 --> 02:54:47,279 The recommendation was for us to call a 3860 02:54:47,279 --> 02:54:48,399 public hearing of what you have in your 3861 02:54:48,399 --> 02:54:50,240 packet, but the recommendation really 3862 02:54:50,240 --> 02:54:52,560 should be just to based on what was um 3863 02:54:52,560 --> 02:54:54,640 the public hearing information to pass 3864 02:54:54,640 --> 02:54:56,000 this at this point. with a negative 3865 02:54:56,000 --> 02:54:58,319 declaration. Is that exactly right? So 3866 02:54:58,319 --> 02:54:59,279 that's what we're actually doing 3867 02:54:59,279 --> 02:55:01,520 tonight. So So it will be the seeker the 3868 02:55:01,520 --> 02:55:03,399 seeker resolution has a negative 3869 02:55:03,399 --> 02:55:05,840 declaration and the zone change. Right. 3870 02:55:05,840 --> 02:55:08,080 Right. So um we can update this 3871 02:55:08,080 --> 02:55:09,279 too, but I just want to make sure that 3872 02:55:09,279 --> 02:55:11,200 everyone understands it's not within 3873 02:55:11,200 --> 02:55:12,720 here. 3874 02:55:12,720 --> 02:55:16,880 All right. Okay. Any other questions? 3875 02:55:16,880 --> 02:55:20,200 All those in favor? Thank you 3876 02:55:20,200 --> 02:55:22,960 both. And thank you. You're going to be 3877 02:55:22,960 --> 02:55:25,560 here. 3878 02:55:25,560 --> 02:55:28,720 Okay. So the next item is recommendation 3879 02:55:28,720 --> 02:55:31,120 of AR recommendation of Arbor Day and 3880 02:55:31,120 --> 02:55:34,080 saves connected that. Yeah. Thank you 3881 02:55:34,080 --> 02:55:36,560 very um yeah so this is a pretty simple 3882 02:55:36,560 --> 02:55:39,760 one just to uh we're working with uh 3883 02:55:39,760 --> 02:55:42,080 take our parks director as well um 3884 02:55:42,080 --> 02:55:44,319 recognizing our day is a requirement for 3885 02:55:44,319 --> 02:55:46,880 our tree city USA application uh which 3886 02:55:46,880 --> 02:55:48,880 we successfully received for 2024. We're 3887 02:55:48,880 --> 02:55:51,520 hoping to do the same in 2025. Uh we 3888 02:55:51,520 --> 02:55:53,600 have a plan in place for some tree 3889 02:55:53,600 --> 02:55:55,040 plantings in Central Park in order to 3890 02:55:55,040 --> 02:55:57,439 commemorate the event. Um should be a 3891 02:55:57,439 --> 02:55:59,120 good community event I believe for 3892 02:55:59,120 --> 02:56:02,319 February the 25th just to to celebrate 3893 02:56:02,319 --> 02:56:04,160 our trees. 3894 02:56:04,160 --> 02:56:06,880 Questions concerns. I moved second. All 3895 02:56:06,880 --> 02:56:10,279 those in favor? I. Thank 3896 02:56:10,279 --> 02:56:14,060 you. Item number four MS4 update. Mr. 3897 02:56:14,060 --> 02:56:23,520 [Music] 3898 02:56:23,520 --> 02:56:26,319 Let me just check. National championship 3899 02:56:26,319 --> 02:56:29,479 tip off is in 35 3900 02:56:29,479 --> 02:56:32,200 minutes. I pick up chicken wings at 3901 02:56:32,200 --> 02:56:34,520 8:30. So you 3902 02:56:34,520 --> 02:56:38,760 guys chicken wings on order 3903 02:56:38,760 --> 02:56:43,520 8:30. Thank you for the record. MS4. So, 3904 02:56:43,520 --> 02:56:45,040 what I wanted to do was since I usually 3905 02:56:45,040 --> 02:56:46,640 come to these meetings anyways, I wanted 3906 02:56:46,640 --> 02:56:49,200 to talk to you about the city's MS4, 3907 02:56:49,200 --> 02:56:51,680 which is uh New York State DEC 3908 02:56:51,680 --> 02:56:53,680 designates all municipalities of our 3909 02:56:53,680 --> 02:56:55,760 size as MS4s, which means that we are 3910 02:56:55,760 --> 02:56:58,560 the we're kind of deputized by the state 3911 02:56:58,560 --> 02:57:01,279 to be the regulating authority for storm 3912 02:57:01,279 --> 02:57:03,840 water in the area. So, for the city, we 3913 02:57:03,840 --> 02:57:07,279 regulate the city. Um, it's a it's a 3914 02:57:07,279 --> 02:57:09,840 challenge. Um, we don't have an MS4 3915 02:57:09,840 --> 02:57:11,600 officer anymore officially. that 3916 02:57:11,600 --> 02:57:14,720 position was removed. So, we have I have 3917 02:57:14,720 --> 02:57:16,640 deputized a consultant to help us with 3918 02:57:16,640 --> 02:57:19,040 this. Uh the consultant role is 3919 02:57:19,040 --> 02:57:20,720 important because what I'm talking about 3920 02:57:20,720 --> 02:57:23,600 is they just updated the rules this year 3921 02:57:23,600 --> 02:57:26,880 after a six-year uh update. They finally 3922 02:57:26,880 --> 02:57:28,800 made it official. Uh and this is going 3923 02:57:28,800 --> 02:57:32,319 to be a 5-year program um of of new 3924 02:57:32,319 --> 02:57:34,399 rules and operations for the city. So, 3925 02:57:34,399 --> 02:57:35,920 I'm kind of giving you a little bit of a 3926 02:57:35,920 --> 02:57:38,479 heads up. The report, one part of that 3927 02:57:38,479 --> 02:57:40,160 is just making sure the public's aware 3928 02:57:40,160 --> 02:57:41,600 of it. So, what we're going to be doing 3929 02:57:41,600 --> 02:57:44,000 is we just submitted the MS4 annual 3930 02:57:44,000 --> 02:57:46,640 report and it's going to be posted to 3931 02:57:46,640 --> 02:57:49,040 the city's website this week. So, that's 3932 02:57:49,040 --> 02:57:51,120 the the main thing for everybody to know 3933 02:57:51,120 --> 02:57:53,200 is that there is an MS4 annual report 3934 02:57:53,200 --> 02:57:54,640 that's going to be posted to the city's 3935 02:57:54,640 --> 02:57:56,880 website. So, the second thing to know is 3936 02:57:56,880 --> 02:57:58,880 that we're going to be having new 3937 02:57:58,880 --> 02:58:01,200 requirements going forward. So, I I just 3938 02:58:01,200 --> 02:58:02,880 put in your packet a couple of things. 3939 02:58:02,880 --> 02:58:06,800 So, this is a summarized uh inventory of 3940 02:58:06,800 --> 02:58:09,760 SWIPS and open MS4s in the city. So 3941 02:58:09,760 --> 02:58:11,520 you'll see a lot of familiar projects in 3942 02:58:11,520 --> 02:58:13,279 here because in order to be on this 3943 02:58:13,279 --> 02:58:15,439 list, you have to have a project site 3944 02:58:15,439 --> 02:58:17,359 over an acre. So it's a pretty good size 3945 02:58:17,359 --> 02:58:19,840 for a city lot to have over an acre. So 3946 02:58:19,840 --> 02:58:21,680 you'll see on here, city has their own. 3947 02:58:21,680 --> 02:58:23,439 Grout Park, we have to file our own for 3948 02:58:23,439 --> 02:58:25,520 that. Uh Colonial Car Wash, the new one 3949 02:58:25,520 --> 02:58:27,040 on Branding Wine Avenue, that one we're 3950 02:58:27,040 --> 02:58:29,040 closing out. But this is a list of 3951 02:58:29,040 --> 02:58:30,880 active projects. So we're we're trying 3952 02:58:30,880 --> 02:58:33,600 to close these out. But a new 3953 02:58:33,600 --> 02:58:36,479 requirement is this letter that we are 3954 02:58:36,479 --> 02:58:38,000 also working on and this is going to 3955 02:58:38,000 --> 02:58:40,800 come into the planning process as well 3956 02:58:40,800 --> 02:58:44,479 which is we need to document that people 3957 02:58:44,479 --> 02:58:47,439 are maintaining the practices which is 3958 02:58:47,439 --> 02:58:49,359 the catch basins and the storm sewers 3959 02:58:49,359 --> 02:58:51,120 and all the things on their property 3960 02:58:51,120 --> 02:58:53,439 that they have put in. So I'll use the 3961 02:58:53,439 --> 02:58:55,120 biggest example here which would be 3962 02:58:55,120 --> 02:58:57,920 Mohawk Harbor. Mohawk Harbor the group 3963 02:58:57,920 --> 02:59:00,399 put in very large vortex units. These 3964 02:59:00,399 --> 02:59:01,920 very large cases based storm water 3965 02:59:01,920 --> 02:59:04,240 units. Those are privately owned. I have 3966 02:59:04,240 --> 02:59:06,240 not gone over and inspected them. 3967 02:59:06,240 --> 02:59:08,640 However, now the DEC is saying that you 3968 02:59:08,640 --> 02:59:11,279 need to reach out to Glesie and people 3969 02:59:11,279 --> 02:59:13,520 like that with this letter and asked 3970 02:59:13,520 --> 02:59:16,080 them to document that they are cleaning 3971 02:59:16,080 --> 02:59:18,319 it and managing it and if they are not 3972 02:59:18,319 --> 02:59:20,319 then you need to help them put a plan in 3973 02:59:20,319 --> 02:59:24,880 place. So luckily we don't have you know 3974 02:59:24,880 --> 02:59:27,439 a thousand but this is also kind of 3975 02:59:27,439 --> 02:59:30,319 retroactive. This is active. So, I have 3976 02:59:30,319 --> 02:59:32,080 to work with planning on going back 3977 02:59:32,080 --> 02:59:35,040 slowly and finding out who may have one. 3978 02:59:35,040 --> 02:59:38,560 Um, and so I also want to bring this up 3979 02:59:38,560 --> 02:59:40,319 because this is still new and we're 3980 02:59:40,319 --> 02:59:41,760 still trying to figure it out, but it 3981 02:59:41,760 --> 02:59:44,479 may have an impact on budget because I 3982 02:59:44,479 --> 02:59:45,840 don't know how much this is going to 3983 02:59:45,840 --> 02:59:48,319 impact workload and things like that. 3984 02:59:48,319 --> 02:59:51,920 So, we may need uh a separate MS4 line 3985 02:59:51,920 --> 02:59:53,920 to make sure that we're in compliance 3986 02:59:53,920 --> 02:59:59,359 and I'll have all that ready for you by that point. Um, but I thought, like I 3987 02:59:59,359 --> 03:00:01,840 said, as advice you come and maybe do uh 3988 03:00:01,840 --> 03:00:03,680 two updates a year. I'm here usually 3989 03:00:03,680 --> 03:00:05,359 every other week anyways. So, it would 3990 03:00:05,359 --> 03:00:06,960 be good just to to get in front of you 3991 03:00:06,960 --> 03:00:08,880 with some of these things. So, right now 3992 03:00:08,880 --> 03:00:10,960 uh I want to just let you know is here 3993 03:00:10,960 --> 03:00:13,520 is our active inventory. The file is 3994 03:00:13,520 --> 03:00:15,200 posted. It will be on the website and 3995 03:00:15,200 --> 03:00:16,319 the next step is we're going to be 3996 03:00:16,319 --> 03:00:19,040 sending out letters to people with open 3997 03:00:19,040 --> 03:00:20,800 practices about them and their 3998 03:00:20,800 --> 03:00:23,359 maintenance. 3999 03:00:23,359 --> 03:00:25,920 Any general questions? Any questions? 4000 03:00:25,920 --> 03:00:28,560 Anyways, so just to be clear, you So 4001 03:00:28,560 --> 03:00:30,160 everyone here, you're going to have to 4002 03:00:30,160 --> 03:00:32,240 catch them up to date on this. Yes. 4003 03:00:32,240 --> 03:00:33,840 That's what the letters talks about is 4004 03:00:33,840 --> 03:00:35,439 that it doesn't act like I mean it acts 4005 03:00:35,439 --> 03:00:36,800 like this is new. It's a new 4006 03:00:36,800 --> 03:00:38,720 requirement. We're reaching out to you 4007 03:00:38,720 --> 03:00:40,240 to document it and then we're going to 4008 03:00:40,240 --> 03:00:42,640 be going forward. Um but if they don't 4009 03:00:42,640 --> 03:00:43,920 get back to you, that's where you get 4010 03:00:43,920 --> 03:00:45,200 into this little bit of, you know, now 4011 03:00:45,200 --> 03:00:47,279 I'm chasing down people for things and 4012 03:00:47,279 --> 03:00:49,120 they might not realize that there's a 4013 03:00:49,120 --> 03:00:51,439 management practice. Um so that's part 4014 03:00:51,439 --> 03:00:52,640 of working with the development 4015 03:00:52,640 --> 03:00:54,560 department. And now when they come for 4016 03:00:54,560 --> 03:00:56,800 planning and code review, they have to 4017 03:00:56,800 --> 03:00:58,640 they're going to have to give me their 4018 03:00:58,640 --> 03:01:02,000 operation and maintenance manual for 4019 03:01:02,000 --> 03:01:04,240 their systems. Um, another example would 4020 03:01:04,240 --> 03:01:10,260 be living 4021 03:01:10,270 --> 03:01:15,070 [Music] 4022 03:01:15,080 --> 03:01:18,240 skinc the outlet is clean. So you would 4023 03:01:18,240 --> 03:01:19,840 come and you give me a record that yes, 4024 03:01:19,840 --> 03:01:21,920 it was mowed twice. We inspected it. 4025 03:01:21,920 --> 03:01:23,920 it's in good standing. It's it's really 4026 03:01:23,920 --> 03:01:26,560 that simple. And then I would file that 4027 03:01:26,560 --> 03:01:29,439 and say that the living project has has 4028 03:01:29,439 --> 03:01:31,439 done that. So that's that's what we're 4029 03:01:31,439 --> 03:01:32,960 looking for essentially for the private 4030 03:01:32,960 --> 03:01:35,680 ones. And then the MS4 report that is 4031 03:01:35,680 --> 03:01:38,560 online that's for mostly for us right 4032 03:01:38,560 --> 03:01:41,520 now which says that you know we street 4033 03:01:41,520 --> 03:01:43,279 sweep that's a very big deal that we 4034 03:01:43,279 --> 03:01:45,040 street sweep weekly and we go out and 4035 03:01:45,040 --> 03:01:46,319 street sweep to get things out of the 4036 03:01:46,319 --> 03:01:48,560 catch basins that we use our vac trucks 4037 03:01:48,560 --> 03:01:50,800 to vacuum out catch basins that we're 4038 03:01:50,800 --> 03:01:53,359 really actively trying not to put 4039 03:01:53,359 --> 03:01:56,240 pollutants into the river and that's the 4040 03:01:56,240 --> 03:01:59,120 whole point of that. So, um, but this is 4041 03:01:59,120 --> 03:02:00,399 year one. It's going to keep the 4042 03:02:00,399 --> 03:02:01,680 requirements go up a little bit more 4043 03:02:01,680 --> 03:02:04,560 every year, but once again, I will, uh, 4044 03:02:04,560 --> 03:02:06,720 keep you a breast of the updates as as 4045 03:02:06,720 --> 03:02:08,560 we go. 4046 03:02:08,560 --> 03:02:12,240 Yes, Miss Patrick. Um, so, um, by when 4047 03:02:12,240 --> 03:02:14,479 do you have to have, you know, these 4048 03:02:14,479 --> 03:02:17,359 properties at least? Um, I have I have 4049 03:02:17,359 --> 03:02:20,920 one year. Oh, okay. So, I we 4050 03:02:20,920 --> 03:02:23,840 the we we did uh the locations of our 4051 03:02:23,840 --> 03:02:25,760 outfalls that was something that we did 4052 03:02:25,760 --> 03:02:28,000 last year. the maintenance. Now, the 4053 03:02:28,000 --> 03:02:29,920 this is essentially this year's agenda 4054 03:02:29,920 --> 03:02:32,319 item is to reach out and start getting O 4055 03:02:32,319 --> 03:02:34,720 andM manuals and practices in place and 4056 03:02:34,720 --> 03:02:36,800 showing them and then trying to do a 4057 03:02:36,800 --> 03:02:38,319 better job of reaching out to the public 4058 03:02:38,319 --> 03:02:42,800 and that's why I thought this would be a good step. Um we also uh in the past 4059 03:02:42,800 --> 03:02:45,840 when we had uh an MS4 officer, they 4060 03:02:45,840 --> 03:02:47,760 would go to farmers market. That may be 4061 03:02:47,760 --> 03:02:49,359 something that we do is just go there 4062 03:02:49,359 --> 03:02:51,040 and you have a board and you just talk 4063 03:02:51,040 --> 03:02:53,840 about it handouts. That seems to be what 4064 03:02:53,840 --> 03:02:55,279 we used to do when we had the officer, 4065 03:02:55,279 --> 03:02:58,880 but um maybe if it's a nice day, I'll bring the board and sit at the 4066 03:02:58,880 --> 03:03:00,399 farmers market. You know, it's just 4067 03:03:00,399 --> 03:03:03,840 that's how I check a box to get um the 4068 03:03:03,840 --> 03:03:06,880 public aware of what's going on. Oh, 4069 03:03:06,880 --> 03:03:09,439 thank you. 4070 03:03:09,439 --> 03:03:11,000 Questions, 4071 03:03:11,000 --> 03:03:13,040 concerns? Okay. So, we just need a 4072 03:03:13,040 --> 03:03:19,439 motion this Yes. Okay. I'll motion. 4073 03:03:19,439 --> 03:03:21,520 No motion. All right. So, thank you very 4074 03:03:21,520 --> 03:03:23,200 much. It's just you just talking. All 4075 03:03:23,200 --> 03:03:25,760 right. So, did we make your change time? 4076 03:03:25,760 --> 03:03:28,160 Well, I have one more, so we got to go. 4077 03:03:28,160 --> 03:03:29,920 Eight minutes. 4078 03:03:29,920 --> 03:03:31,279 All right. Item number five, master 4079 03:03:31,279 --> 03:03:32,240 agreement with the New York State 4080 03:03:32,240 --> 03:03:34,080 Department of Transportation for a new 4081 03:03:34,080 --> 03:03:36,800 federal aid project. So, uh this federal 4082 03:03:36,800 --> 03:03:40,800 a project was is on the tip and it is a 4083 03:03:40,800 --> 03:03:42,720 great project uh one that everybody's 4084 03:03:42,720 --> 03:03:45,600 really excited about. It is a 4085 03:03:45,600 --> 03:03:47,279 essentially second phase even though 4086 03:03:47,279 --> 03:03:49,200 it's not related on paper to the Central 4087 03:03:49,200 --> 03:03:51,200 Park connector project which was a 4088 03:03:51,200 --> 03:03:52,960 project that connected essentially the 4089 03:03:52,960 --> 03:03:56,560 dog park in Central Park to Veil Park. 4090 03:03:56,560 --> 03:03:58,840 Uh it was an on-road project widening 4091 03:03:58,840 --> 03:04:02,560 sidewalks brownly down Brandy Wine into 4092 03:04:02,560 --> 03:04:05,680 Veil. Um this project is taking where it 4093 03:04:05,680 --> 03:04:07,439 dead ends. Right now it operatively dead 4094 03:04:07,439 --> 03:04:10,160 ends at the new Cummings Connectity 4095 03:04:10,160 --> 03:04:11,760 Environmental Education Center and 4096 03:04:11,760 --> 03:04:14,160 you'll see it ends. Um, this project is 4097 03:04:14,160 --> 03:04:15,920 going to take where that ends and it's 4098 03:04:15,920 --> 03:04:17,200 going to bring it all the way through 4099 03:04:17,200 --> 03:04:19,600 the park to Fair Avenue and then down 4100 03:04:19,600 --> 03:04:21,920 Fair Avenue to State Street. And we're 4101 03:04:21,920 --> 03:04:23,760 hoping that the entirety of the project 4102 03:04:23,760 --> 03:04:26,720 is an off-road path. Um, and then that 4103 03:04:26,720 --> 03:04:28,319 will be able to have that connection 4104 03:04:28,319 --> 03:04:30,160 down to State Street and people will be 4105 03:04:30,160 --> 03:04:31,840 able to walk and ride up from State 4106 03:04:31,840 --> 03:04:34,319 Street to Fair. Um, and then that path 4107 03:04:34,319 --> 03:04:36,160 won't dead end anymore. And then the 4108 03:04:36,160 --> 03:04:38,160 goal would be then uh that connection 4109 03:04:38,160 --> 03:04:40,399 would also create that roof that we 4110 03:04:40,399 --> 03:04:43,920 want. If anybody ever walks the pond, uh 4111 03:04:43,920 --> 03:04:45,359 when you walk the pond and you're on 4112 03:04:45,359 --> 03:04:47,439 that path, it kind of ends and then you 4113 03:04:47,439 --> 03:04:48,800 go down to the pond and then you're by 4114 03:04:48,800 --> 03:04:50,240 the building and it it feels not 4115 03:04:50,240 --> 03:04:52,640 cohesive. It does feel very odd and then 4116 03:04:52,640 --> 03:04:54,479 this will actually create that loop. So 4117 03:04:54,479 --> 03:04:57,920 it be kind of a twofur project. Um so 4118 03:04:57,920 --> 03:04:59,680 it's a federal project. It's on, you 4119 03:04:59,680 --> 03:05:02,399 know, to extend our parks and trails. 4120 03:05:02,399 --> 03:05:04,399 Uh, I think it's it's going to be uh 4121 03:05:04,399 --> 03:05:06,880 enjoyed and utilized by everybody. Um, 4122 03:05:06,880 --> 03:05:08,000 and the other thing that we're going to 4123 03:05:08,000 --> 03:05:09,760 incorporate into this is we are going to 4124 03:05:09,760 --> 03:05:12,479 eliminate one of the entrances to the B 4125 03:05:12,479 --> 03:05:14,160 diamond parking lot. If anybody can kind 4126 03:05:14,160 --> 03:05:16,000 of remember that the duck pond, the B 4127 03:05:16,000 --> 03:05:17,439 diamond parking lot, there's like this 4128 03:05:17,439 --> 03:05:20,160 weird V entrance and we're going to 4129 03:05:20,160 --> 03:05:22,319 eliminate the really quick slip ramp 4130 03:05:22,319 --> 03:05:24,080 because we're getting we get complaints. 4131 03:05:24,080 --> 03:05:25,760 I've been talking with Mosaic about it 4132 03:05:25,760 --> 03:05:28,240 that people are are coming down and just 4133 03:05:28,240 --> 03:05:29,920 right into the lot. So, we really wanted 4134 03:05:29,920 --> 03:05:32,160 to slow down and make that turn. Um, so 4135 03:05:32,160 --> 03:05:33,680 one of those entrances is going to go 4136 03:05:33,680 --> 03:05:36,160 away. 4137 03:05:36,160 --> 03:05:38,479 Any questions? 4138 03:05:38,479 --> 03:05:41,680 Second. All those in favor? 4139 03:05:41,680 --> 03:05:45,200 Thank you. Sounds great. Excuse me. 4140 03:05:45,200 --> 03:05:48,319 You're going to make it. Um, the next 4141 03:05:48,319 --> 03:05:50,720 item is um to correct resolution 4142 03:05:50,720 --> 03:05:53,600 2025-1052 4143 03:05:53,600 --> 03:05:56,920 uh sale of 1656 Kerry 4144 03:05:56,920 --> 03:06:01,920 Street. Mr. Brown is joining us. Um 4145 03:06:01,920 --> 03:06:03,600 there's a way at a conference to explain 4146 03:06:03,600 --> 03:06:07,040 that. Okay. Go ahead, Mr. Brown. 4147 03:06:07,040 --> 03:06:10,080 Yes. Um so the original resolution 4148 03:06:10,080 --> 03:06:11,720 number 4149 03:06:11,720 --> 03:06:14,359 2025-052 which authorized the 4150 03:06:14,359 --> 03:06:16,439 u 4151 03:06:16,439 --> 03:06:20,110 contract at 4152 03:06:20,120 --> 03:06:22,040 166 4153 03:06:22,040 --> 03:06:27,030 resolution resolution to reflect 4154 03:06:27,040 --> 03:06:28,439 any 4155 03:06:28,439 --> 03:06:32,080 questions second. All in favor I I thank 4156 03:06:32,080 --> 03:06:34,040 you Mr. Brown. 4157 03:06:34,040 --> 03:06:38,000 Um the final items uh item 7 through 13 4158 03:06:38,000 --> 03:06:40,800 are for property sales which require us 4159 03:06:40,800 --> 03:06:43,840 going into executive session. Um so at 4160 03:06:43,840 --> 03:06:46,160 this time I'd like to recess city 4161 03:06:46,160 --> 03:06:47,640 development and 4162 03:06:47,640 --> 03:06:51,359 planning. So second. All in favor? We're 4163 03:06:51,359 --> 03:06:53,359 recess. So I'd like to call the claims 4164 03:06:53,359 --> 03:06:54,640 committee. We have one item on the 4165 03:06:54,640 --> 03:06:57,680 agenda tonight discussion that will need 4166 03:06:57,680 --> 03:07:00,000 to take place in executive session. So I 4167 03:07:00,000 --> 03:07:01,359 have a motion to enter executive 4168 03:07:01,359 --> 03:07:02,560 session. 4169 03:07:02,560 --> 03:07:05,680 Second. Second. All those in favor? I 4170 03:07:05,680 --> 03:07:06,960 members of the public will have to 4171 03:07:06,960 --> 03:07:11,430 leave. 4172 03:07:11,440 --> 03:07:57,500 [Music]