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know, I'm looking around.
We start at the top and the bottom.
as well for the whole meeting. I'd like
to call to order Skiia City Council
committee meeting for Monday, May 19th,
2025. And the first committee is
finance. Mr. Min. Thank you. I would
like to call the finance committee to
order. And the first item is the home
American Rescue
Plan. Mr.
Brown filling in for Miss Car.
Good evening. Um, this is a request for
a resolution awarding the homemark funds
in the amount of
$577,856 to the Ultimat Program, Inc. Uh
the homes consortium has uh committed
this funds uh for the ultimate program
in order to rehabilitate this scholar in
a non- congregate family shelter located
in the town of Colony that serves the
area.
Questions? Seeing none, I have a motion
to move this power. Second. All in
favor? I thank you. Thank you. The next
item is authorize the commission of
finance to deposit the consolidated
local street and highway improvement
program ships extreme winter recovery
pave New York. Mr.
Wall the New York state has adopted
their budget. This year's budget
included funding for the paving of local
streets in the city of Skenctity. Um the
funds are as laid out. It's the CHIPS
program, the extreme winter recovery,
the pave New York program, the state
touring route program, and the pave our
potholes program. So, we have to accept
this funding in order for finance to set
up the codes so that we can pay our
contractors who are paving our roads.
Questions? Go ahead, please. I just want
to know if we could get a copy because
people always ask of the paving schedule
of the streets. That's all. Thank you.
Any other questions? Seeing none, may I
have a motion to move this item forward?
So move. Second. All in favor? I. Thank
you. The next item is funding support
for the Belmont Papa program. Mr.
Harley. Thank you, Mr. Chairman. I just
wanted to bring this before the council
so we can have a a conversation about
fully supporting Belmont Papa program.
Belmont has been around the city for a
long long time serving um youth um in
multiple capacities. Um I I won't uh
belabor all of the benefits that the
program has has provided for our our
city youth. Um and as well as the
leveraging, you know, some of the uh
outcomes around, you know, public safety
and things of that nature. I think that
we all are pretty clear of how important
this program has been, but it's been
operating um on a shoestring budget with
really not a lot of uh well really no
institutional support. Um, and I think
that a time as we're seeing so much
going on in our community, it's really
important that we uh make an investment
um in a program with a proven track
record um that has been existing for as
long as it's been around. So, um I was
looking for us to uh fund this uh fully
fund uh the program. I slipped in a a
quick budget from um Belmont to your
mailboxes and it's looking like the
projected cost of the entire program is
uh around $30,000. So, but I was
speaking with um people in the program
and they were saying that every time
that they have a lot of youth that sign
up, but every time that it's time for
to, you know, uh for parents to have to
support paying out of their pocket for,
you know, some of the equipment and
things of that nature, they get quite a
steep drop off. So, I was just thinking
about all those kids that we could
support um and and really help and
really also help out with the city as
far as public safety and things of that
nature as well.
questions, comments.
M Mr. Carly, is it can you get a copy of
the um the prior source of funding?
Excuse me. The prior source of funding
from Belma, how they need funded before?
Sure. I can do that. I can do that.
Yeah, if you don't mind that will help
us to guide them in terms of because
they're
looking at the budget here and looking
at what they ask is 40,000 47,000. It's
almost like a full 100%.
My concern is that u where are they not
getting funding from other sources to
carry this project program forward? So my understanding and I and you know
we can get uh make sure I get uh reach
out for the specifics there but my
understanding is they focus a lot on
fundraising you know um and again what
ends up happening is that you have a
huge interest in the program. So there's
a lot of kids that want to um play, but
when it comes time, you know, for them
to uh pay for the equipment, travel, all
the things that go associated with
playing and you get rid of a steep drop
off. So to me that's indicative of you
know where we can kind of step in and and and bridge that gap from them
because look recalling from the recall
from the last budget and into the an
amendment we had allocated $150,000 to
the youth um line and then we alloc um
had a revision of $19,000 on the coco
house to help offset um youth services
costs. So there are potential that we
can utilize those lines to offset
already money that allocate but my
concern is
I um bman popcorn uh you know inclusive
we have to look across the board for
other leagues so because I don't think
it would be favor to give one and not to
give the others so I think we need to
look at who else is playing other
athletic league sports league who are in
need of funding so we have to be
sensitive in terms not giving one, not
giving the other because we just created
a some friction there in our community.
No, I can appreciate that, but I also
would think that like, you know, we we
fund, you
know, other things. Um I mean I know I I
guess what my thought about that would
be like you know if other programs
aren't coming forward um or getting in
contact with us to say hey you know we
could use this support Belmont is you
know I wouldn't want to say no to them
because because then especially if
they're talk about our capacity to
support all you know then then that
becomes a different conversation. So, I
wouldn't want to hold up our support for
this program and and and thinking that,
well, there's another program or another
program that isn't coming forward. Um, I
don't know of any other, to my
understanding, I pretty much think that
this is the only uh uh poporn program in
the city of Skenctity that uh serves the
youth that they do. Um, so I do think
that there's uh, you know, there's some
value there and some significance there,
too. Miss,
so um, I just want to be clear on the
budget. So it says the total season is
47,000 and then there's a postseason of
30. So are they asking us just for the
postseason? Are they asking us just for
regular season? Are they asking us for
all of it? So they're asking us for
47,000. Just the 47. So the postseason
we don't have to be concerned about. No.
Right. Um and my further comment
regarding what Mr. Mudren has to say, we
um I I have to agree with you that we
did we put money into ball fields. Um
what's the one over there on Michigan?
That one. be um the one over um on
Oregon Avenue. So, we have invested in
other um sports activities. Um this
happens to be uh football, the other
ones were softball, but we did make
investments through ARPA to re renovate
those fields. So, it's it's a different
kind of investment, but we definitely
made that investment. So, um and if I
understand it correctly, the young
people that go to these um
are have less ability to cover costs.
I'll just put it like that. And so, um,
you know, I think we should keep that in
mind. Let me just also say because this
is something that I I feel strongly
about, uh, that I understand that you
say the parents, you know, um, you know,
there's a drop off, but I think if we
could just get some level investment
from the parents, whether it's $5 or $10
or something. I just feel strongly about
that. And if you have a lot of children
and you know, maybe then we cap it. If
you have, I don't know, I know somebody
with eight children. So, let's use that
person. Let's say if you use if you have
eight children then maybe you won't have
to do that for all eight but I think
having a level of investment from um
from the family parents caregivers
whomever is is worthwhile yeah a
worthwhile asks we um you know if we're
not just because we're putting money
forward just because I believe in
self-investment. Yeah. No and I think I
appreciate that madam president. I just
also Yes. and that the parents and and
family members um are I mean they've
done the car washes you know selling
popcorn the rapid I mean they this is a
very enga I if anything you know is a
testament to their investment is the
fact that they have been around for so
long in in the city without this in
institutional investment I think that positions them um uniquely compared
to other places and definitely so I
don't think that investment is going to
change but um I I can appreciate
I guess um I certainly support um Bob
Warner um but I also support the Blue
Jays um and some of the other youth
recreation activities that we have in
the city. So I'd want to definitely be
involving our parks director within this
discussion. But I also wonder whether we
shouldn't be thinking about the 2026
budget and whether we can make an
investment in all of our youth um
recreational activities. Um, I know the
Blue Jays, for example, probably most of
us just donated to them um during their
fundraising campaign. I mean, they they
too have to, you know, go out there and
raise all the money that they that they
use to to to get the baseball going as
well. So I think it would be really a
valuable thing for us to consider um you
know how are we using our youth our
youth um
recre our youth lines in the budget and
I'm not sure midy year how we could come
up you know where do we take the money
from um you know to to do what you're
suggesting but I do think in a planful
way for next year we should be looking
at all of our youth activities and
figuring you know let's include Blue
Jays, let's include Pop Warner, let's,
you know, let's figure out a way to um
to some extent support all of the um
city's recreational activities for
youth.
And just to add to that, I mean, we just
need to look at what is available
against the
$150,000 and what is available against
the $109,000 as under Koko
administration to see what available
funding we have there and look at the
support if we have the support of the
council to move forward and fund these
program and make and also consider take
into consideration are the other
programs that um already in the pipeline
against these um these two lines.
Well, so my question is this um to Miss
Patrick. So are you saying
that I'm a little unclear. Are you
saying that like it's we shouldn't if
Belmont we shouldn't look at how we
could support Belmont unless we're
looking at how we can support um other
programs who haven't came forward and
express the need. Is that what you're
saying? Yeah. I think it would be fair
to really, you know, think inclusively
of all the sports um and all the youth.
Um again, I mean, you know, I think we
all probably support all these teams uh
in our own in our own way, in our own
donations, but um I think in terms of
the city budget, um I think it would be
good to be inclusive of all the sports.
Go ahead, please. So, I think a point of
clarification is there's a difference
between equal and equitable. Um, and I
think it's really important to kind of
emphasize what Mr. Farley is saying
about our intentionality and what we're
doing as a city. I think to Miss
Porterfield's point, there have been
considerable investments in other sports
and recreational activities. Um, not
with the intent of how do we share or
replicate this in other areas, but for
just being responsive to the needs of
those organizations, I think it's
important for us to be clear in our
message in this instance. I think if
we're looking at the social economic
conditions that are identifying these
families at a greater hardship than some
of the other activities, I think it is
our responsibility as a city to look for
methods that we can support them on an
ongoing basis because the benefits of
these types of efforts, expands their
awareness, expands their understanding
of the world outside of scenario and
that has really tangible improvements to
public safety and other areas that we
often talk about um to anium. uh so I
don't think we necessarily have to have
a discussion about all the other
activities if our focus is how do we
support these youth and their support
and and their pursuit of having a a
better um broader quality of life.
So are they currently using the the
school facility for for their games?
So, so yes, I I believe they're using
some of the school facility for the
games, but where they practice at is
actually a city- owned property, which
is behind
um uh the Mount Pleasant football field.
Um they use that for for practices
that's been happening for the last 20
years um or more, but that's where they
where they're operating right now. So,
they they have they have an existing
fields. They have existing fields that
they're using. Well, yes, they do have
assisting fields that they're using
through partnerships or whatever. But
the issue um that was identified um was
laid out was more so some of the
equipment that is take the travel that
it takes and I mean thank you uh Mr.
Williams to really just, you know, echo
what his point is. You know, these are
also the same kids. You know, when they
won the Super Bowl and they're doing
these things, we bring them down here.
You know, we're very proud of them.
We're taking pictures with them. you
know, it's like we're at a point, you
know, I think that, you know, support in
our city council capacity looks like
let's figure out how to do this, you
know, and I don't want to be, you know,
in a position where we are taking
pictures with kids and celebrating, you
know, their things, but then we have an
opportunity and they're coming to us
saying, you know, look, this is a need
here and we have an opportunity to be
responsive to the need. and I just I
don't feel comfortable um with saying
okay well let's look at where all the
other needs are throughout the city um
based on that that's my issue
I was going to ask a question do do you
know if they approach a school for any
funding assistance I don't know if they approach the school for any
funding um I'm not aware of that is it
something that you can find out for us
certainly I mean you know there's I'm
sure that there's other avenues um where
they'll be pursuing because literally
they've been existing doing this work in
our community with zero institutional
support. Um, and so if that's the case,
I have all the faith in them that
they'll be able to and aggressively
pursue other streams of funding. But the
reality is they're here. They have one
of the best proven track records if we
can of any sports league in the history
of our city here. and we need to be
supporting them um in order to make sure
that they can sustain. Um I just I don't
know what else it could be. Go ahead. So
um to Mr. to Mr. Mr. Mer and to your
point there is money and we do we should
find out because what we don't want to
happen some of that money is ARPA money
and what we don't want to happen is make
sure that that money does not get spent
down and so therefore you know we're um doesn't get spent down is yes
does not get spent. I want to make sure
it does get spent. So, I want to make
sure I don't want it to not get spent
out we're caught like. So, um I think
that we should definitely be looking at
it. I don't really feel like we should
wait and say we're going to wait until
we make sure everybody else is okay. I
don't as as Mr. Farley said, they they came with an ask and I'm trying to
think through when other organizations
come through with an ask and we always
say, "Well, let's let's wait and let's
just make sure everybody has a bite at
the apple." I think others may come
forward now, but I don't think that it
should be at the expense of this
organization, us not considering them
because we want to like lay it out for
everybody else. Um I I I really I think
that's unfair. And there's other
programs that um most of it comes
through the police department, the fire
department, the 518 thing. And so, you
know, there's other things out there
that we don't that that get funded and
we don't wait till like it it's what
I'll call a level playing field because
it really isn't a level playing field.
Uh, so I think that we should really
give this some strong consideration if
we can come out of the 150 or out of the
108. I'm not sure how that would work
based on what's described and how the
money was given, but I think we should
really definitely take a look. Um, Mr.
Vario, thank you for bringing up the
point that they do do fundraisers
because I've been to them and as all of
the uh organizations do and they do try
really hard and yes, we had them down
here two two years ago. The
cheerleaders. Yeah. And and and the
team. That's right. That's right. and
then and they raised a lot of money to
go wherever it was they went that year
forward, I think it was, and didn't ask
us for anything. So, um you know, if
we're going to applaud them, then I
think we should also show our support in
other ways as well. So, I'm not sure how
long how long when's the season start
and how soon is this ask for? Well, so the well they're they're practicing
now on the field now. Uh um so I uh uh I
you know I can give you uh get some more
information to you around when the
season starts and and when the season
ends if those you know if that would
please the council. But what I'm really
looking for is for the council to step
up here and support this this uh
longlasting program that has been a huge
protective factor for hundreds and
hundreds of of kids um in the community.
And I'm I'm quite frankly not looking
for the political posturing and
gesturing and all of these things like
this is something that we can do that
can really impact our our kids and our city lives and I think that we
should just do it. So I'm so so what we
need to do um is to look at the
available funding against both lines 150
that was in the budget and the 109 and
um they asked um to look at prior source
of funding and the school u if they ask
the school and if they can ask the
school for funding also you know it's a
backup plan either way can we get all
this information and bring it back to
the table yeah I I can I will I will get
the requested information. But again, I
don't want to be so concerned about them
asking the school for money um because
it's not a school program. Um there's
definitely some uh connectivity, but I
don't want us to start to create other
stipulations for them. Um they're
aggressively fundraising. They always
are. Um, so I don't see why, you know, I
I'll get the information, but I don't
see why it wouldn't be relevant um if
the money is there. And this is, if you
remember, this is what I was talking
about when we were in our budget process
around our youth line being um so poorly
funded. Um because now we have people
coming forward with great programs that
are producing uh results in the
community. And now, you know, we I feel
like we're increasing kind of moving the
goalpost, pun intended, if you will, on
them to get the funding that they need
to survive. So, um I guess my question
to the the council is and we can kind of
go around.
Um I'm just trying to I guess the
question is will you support it with
information? I know I'm sorry. This I'm
Is this a reoccurring manual?
Yeah, absolutely. I would be interested
to hear how it aligns with Mr. Messa's
priorities overall. And in our community
meetings, is this identified as
something that the community has
identified as something that they're
looking to support that we can support?
But if it's going to be an annual
occurring, I'm just curious on, you
know, Mr. Mistake is responsible to
parks and recreation. Is this one of his
priorities? And if not, can we put that
up and have a a budget request? moving
forward and how do we support this
ongoingly?
Yeah. So, I guess well as far as
community support goes, the fact that
they've been around for 30 years without
anybody supporting them, they have been
surviving. So, I think that's a pretty
clear a glaring example of community
support. So, I think that that so so
that answer that question. As far as Mr.
mistake is concerned, I know that we are
looking to pull money from the um well
their conversation was pulling money
from the uh police community engagement
fund or or uh no not there is funding
available to offset that program but
that's money that's money that is in the
police department right now. Correct.
Police to offset those community um
events. Correct. Correct. Basketball.
Yeah. Yeah. So and that that's for the
basketball. Um, and quite frankly,
that's another program that has been
lasting and and and and really people in
the community have taken that program
under their wings and bid it, you know,
really off the off the muscle and the
community support. Um, so I this in a
way just I don't want this to be in
competition of those things and I don't
think that we should view it as being a
competition and I know we will focus on
the cost of this. Um but I I really
think it's important that we recognize
that this is an investment and not just
a cost. You know, this will actually
save money when we have youth involved
in protective factors. We know what all
the national the data said for how long.
Um so I think that you know this is this
is more of an investment um than is a
cost. So I think that's important that
we consider that. So um again, so I
guess I'll pull the council to see like
what the support level is for this. So
let's let's hold off on that. Let's uh
let's let's look at can we just get the
information and then revisit this and
then it doesn't make any sense to get a
poll and it doesn't serve any purpose at
this point in time to get a poll. Let's
um let's get the information that is
needed. Let's look at what is available
against the 150 line. Let's look at
available what is available against the
109 line under Cocoa House. And then you
brought up a good point there. Public
safety funding. We can ask I can ask
them if you don't mind make notes that
the public safety available funding that
is $50,000 there and if they're not
going to most of the time they don't
utilize all the funding and if they are
in a good uh position to say well we
can't use all that funding that is
allocated 2525 then more than likely
that can help offset some cost. So we
have three source of funding at this
point. So let's let's visit those source
of funding. let's come up with some of
the question that was asked and let's
revisit at that point in time. I think
at this point in time I don't think
anybody is against it at this point in
time but it's just that we need to be
you know open and think it on a broad
about a spectrum. Sure. So my my point
of pulling the council is to see like
what information that if no one's
against it that's good. So my question
is then you know what information
particularly would you need from each
council member to be for it. So, and I
think that you were pretty clear and so
that's that's what I'm asking. That's
why I want to go around and get a get a
feel from the council as to where they
stand on this.
Yeah, that's that's on there.
I'd like to speak to it because from in
my from my point of view, the question
is if there's funding, do would you
support it? And it sounds like there's
funding. So, um I'm not asking anyone
else to say anything, but I am saying
that I would definitely support this.
familiar with Pap Warner. Like I said,
we've had them down there. We've had Mr.
Rose down there. This organization has
been working for years uh like in a in a
grassroots kind of way. And so, um if
the funding is there, I'm totally in
support of of doing this. And I also
want to make sure if we're if we're
asking for additional information, when
we come back to the table in two weeks,
we'll then be at the point where we're
going to make a decision because I don't
want this to be like, okay, we ask for
information, then we kick it down the
road a little bit, and then we ask for
more information. And um so to Mr.
Farley's point, if there's other things
that people want to know today, in order
to get to gain support, we should just
hash that out now. You know, say this is
what I'd need to be able to to in order
to not necessar this is the information
I need to know. So to make sure that he
comes back with all the information, we
can make a decision in two weeks as
opposed to having it then the four weeks
and then we're into the season. Thank
you. Thank you for that. Uh that is a
question and I and I would like to hear
from um each member of the council as
the position is on. So I would like to
hear from Mr. Meka um because he is
overseeing all of our recreation
programs. Um I do think that we should
be looking comprehensively at the other
activities that our youth participate in
because again I totally agree with Mr.
Farley that and Mr. Williams that these
programs are so important for for our
youth. Um I think we all uh know that in
terms of our own families, in terms of
our own past experiences um that you
know we want kids to be involved in
these kinds of activities. Um but I
think that we need to I do feel um that
we should be looking at all of them. Um,
and we we do have the
$150,000. Um, you know, so I think we
have we have funds. Um, if we can use
that funding in that way, then that's
great. It is different from supporting
the fields across the city because those
are capital improvements that just, you
know, it's our responsibility to be
making sure that we're our parks uh and
our recreational fields are in, you
know, very high quality shape. Um, but
that's sort of a capital investment
versus a programmatic investment, which
I also feel, you know, I definitely
would support this. I just want to make
sure that we have a comprehensive
recreational program that might include
pop water, that might include baseball,
that would include common unity, which
is the basketball aspect. Um, well,
common unity is like a whole bunch of
stuff. Oh, that's right. Yes. I'm sorry.
It is. Yes. But, you know, and and the
other programs that we support, I see it
all under an umbrella. And then I also
want to footnote that then when we come
to October and we're planning for 2026,
I think this is something for us all to
be, you know, considering in next year's
budget as well. So I just annual the
annual thing. So um so in terms of that
being capital improvement, that's
absolutely true. The capital improvement
was made at the request of those
organizations and to their
specifications. So it's not the same as
the this but it was to their
specifications. They were out there
making sure you know I can name people
that that were out there are a part of
it sort of like the cricket field is
right now they make spec they made
specifications like this is what we need
so it's not uniforms but it is specific
to the needs of those organizations and
um and also these Mr. Ma is the director
of parks. These children do not play in
the park. That is the football field
that belongs to Mount Pleasant. Excuse
me. Is it Mount Pleasant? Yes. Yes.
Mount Pleasant. So I I'm I'm guessing
that's why he's really not involved in
this because it's not in a park. So he's
the director of parks and rec director
of parks and recreation, but he has no
he has mentioned it and in in anything
that he's doing. He talks about all the
activities that are taking place in the
park, which I understand because this is
not but this is not in the park. So I'm
thinking that is why it would be it's
not something that would be on his radar
necessarily because it's not in the
park.
Go ahead, please. Uh so in response to
the other comments I would be in full
support of this. I think another area of
focus is the potential cuts to Medicaid.
So I think as we look at demographics
throughout our community that is going
to have a truly disproportionate impact
on what our city is able to respond to
with with consideration to healthcare.
Uh so I think it is very important
you're going to hear another aspect of
uh these governmental roll backs later
in our agenda. I I think it's important
for our city to step up and I think what
that shows to our youth is more
intentionality in our our language and
what we are willing to support
financially and I think to Mr. Farley's
point is trying to be very uh uh I think
uh uh appropriate in his language. I
think that performative nature I think
that that a time for that has come and
gone and these moments we are not going
to be able to wrap our arms around
everything but the song and then making
sure that wind shifts throughout our
community is where I think that that is
how we have our greatest impact.
Okay. So I see where you stand Mr.
Williams. Thank you Madam President
Carmel. I think I understand what you're
saying, but I think that we're not going
to be able. So, this ask isn't the uh
collaborative or more holistic ask right
now. This is um for Belmont program. So,
are you saying that right now? You won't
support it unless it's the whole
holistic thing. Is that No, I'm not
saying that. Okay. All right. I think
you know you have the
$150,000 so you know we have the funding
available. Yeah. Okay. Okay. So, you
would support it then? I would support
it. Thank you. Thank you. And I would
support it under the umbrella. I mean,
I'm chair of health and recreation. I
just feel that, you know, moving
forward, we really need to I mean, I
think it's a really good thing to bring
up and I think it leads us to thinking
about as we move forward, how do we make
sure that we're comprehensively looking
at all of the youth recreation
activities in the city? But but in terms
of I mean, you are correct that they
came to us and asked for this. So, um,
you know, we're part of their
fundraising, you know, just like I mean,
you know, cuz all the other I mean, Blue
Jays are fundraising also. Um, you know,
so, um, but they made an ask.
Go ahead, please.
Um, um, I'd like to know who who the ask
came from specifically
um, for this funding. Is there a
president? Is there a um, core group of
parents? sister and I personally like
them to come whoever they ask us from to
speak to us. That's first. Second of
all, I'm all about youth sports. Um,
raising three daughters here in the
city. Um, the uh uh I was connected to
youth soccer club uh is another one that
that's basically always forgotten. Um,
we did invest a lot of money in uh the
Oregon Avenue fields, the uh Michigan
Avenue Fields. Um, and I think that
those were investments in the fields. As
far as the actual program, um, I know
they they all do a lot of fundraising on
their own. And, you know, I'm I'm
definitely, you know, in support of uh,
Belmont Pop Warner. Um, knowing a lot of
uh, a lot of students that play in the
environment. Well, um, I know that I
think Pop Warner was started in 1929 in the United States. So, it's been
around a lot. But to be fair and
equitable to every youth organization
program, whether it's youth tennis, I
don't know if there's tennis club, I
don't know if there's a youth cricket
club. I mean, 15 month, pardon me, 15
love. I think all these organizations
are entitled to the same benefits that
um we're looking to spend out of the
109, 150, and the um public safety uh group. and I'd be more
and I'm more than willing to support
each and every one of them. Okay. So,
just so for clarity, you said to be a
fair and equitable. what would be like
the
um I I guess really what are the
equitable
uh components of like where you're well
they make I think every every
organization wants at this point because
they came at least Belmont California
came with an yeah that's not that
wouldn't even be equal cuz but they came
to come with an ask to us and to be able
to decipher each ask I mean for going. I
just don't feel
I I I I hear you and I'm I'm confused
around like
if so if the Blue Jays come and say,
"Hey, hold on. Let me let me finish my
point just so you understand my
question, please." So the Blue Jays come
and say, "Hey, city, we need help with
this field to
benefit of, you know, our our our our
league here." And then we say, "Okay,
bougie, we hear you." We don't go, "But
wait a minute. What about every other
field? What about this field? And what
about we that's not how things are
happening. So I don't understand what's
different about I'm not talking about
the field. I'm talking about the actual
players." Sure. Right. Because
programming I I do know again a lot of
kids have to pull out. I know this
personally. A lot of kids have to pull
out because they can't afford the
uniform. I can't afford the trip to
wherever. Their their, you know, um
their their parents don't have the
network to fund raise as much as other
parents have the network to fund raise.
So, I I I know all of it. And I want
every youth in our city to be able to
participate in football, basketball,
baseball, um Girl Scout. I'm just
throwing that in there, too, because
it's another organization uh that, you
know, doesn't have any funding. They're
all grassroots. they've all started here
on the ground and we're just trying to
um I want them all to be able to
succeed. So, I I can't, you know, I'd be
more than happy to fund part of this,
some of this, all of it. I don't know
where the funding would come from, but I
want to make sure the ask is available
for for all youth organizations. Well,
the ask is always available, and that's
why multiple programs come to us um for
support, right? So, so by by Belmont
coming forward, that didn't prevent
anyone else from not coming forward.
Let's put it out there.
Since we're discussing this, I mean,
some time back, a couple years ago, the
socket flow had reached out to us asking
for funding and we didn't fund them. So,
I just want to bring that out to the
table and they directly reach out to us
requesting several years, couple years
ago. It's a different day and now we
have different but I just want to bring
that out to the table. you know, since
we're talking about all the different um
components of um these leagues that are
on top. Okay, I'm sorry. I didn't cut
you off. Oh, no. I I thought it was was
Miss I don't know. So, I think we have
to ask um to find out where are we in
terms of the availing availability. So,
Miss Michael, um would you take this or
would you like me to request it the
availability the funding availability
against the
109,000 line that is on the Cocoa House
and the $150,000 under the budget, the
2025 budget and what is available under
the public safety foundation. Mr. Chair,
I'm trying to recap so we get
information from Yeah, I'm just trying
to remember the 150. Was that just for
summer employment though? Just you.
Yeah. I thought we had two two buckets.
I got looked back. But yes, one is under
of the 109 only and the 150 under the
our budget that we be approved. I guess
we just have to make sure what the what
the resolution says in terms of when we
put that money. We definitely did 150
for youth employment. Well, it wasn't
youth employment. That's in the time I
was saying that we should call it the
youth service line. It wasn't so it
wouldn't primarily just be for youth
employment. We don't look at
the so if the funding is available
that's what that's what I'm looking for
and I didn't get a chance to hear from
Mr. May and I want to make so Mr. Turo,
you're saying that if the funding is
available, you could see yourself
supporting it, but not in the full ask
and only if everyone gets a chance. Is
that what you're saying? If if if you
know people watching the meeting
tonight, if you know the newspaper puts
out there, there's mass, there's money,
there's funding. So, if you need it,
come.
I'm just saying by your logic, you know,
uh Mr. Freeman came here with our parks
director. He was talking about a program
that they're doing, right? And we're
funding that program. There's multiple
other AAOU programs that operate in and
around the city. We we said, "Hey, we're
going to we're going to fund this this
program in this park in sk right in
Skenctity." Which I think is a good
thing to do. But if you remember, he
came here and saying, "Oh, we're going
to fund raise." And I said, "Wait a
minute. There should be money to support
this." So, I'm glad I was able to raise
that point. But to based on your logic,
that means that we would have to before
we uh fund that with uh Mr. Freeman, uh
then we would have to make sure that all
the other aid uh uh teams got a chance
to come talk to our parts director
before we fund that. Is that what you're
saying? Like it it maybe but I do recall
that the
police that's coming out of the police
funding. Sure. No, absolutely. But and
that's why we're wondering we want to
know where this funding would come out
of. Mr. Moon is asking for some kind of
you know support where where that's
going to come out of and again I think other people should have an
opportunity at this point. They do have
an
opportunity
for we have to wrap this up. So but Mr.
I just, you know, I just have, if you
don't mind, I just have to say I have to
say that I'm really I am really um
really concerned that a organization
came for an ask and now we're putting
all these stipulations on that. That
bothers me greatly. Um you brought up
the point that Mr. Mr. Ma brought
forward AAU and nobody at the table
said, "Well, are we going to fund all
the AAUs?" So, I I think that we should
really consider what we're doing and if
we're always using the same
measurements and if we're not, why
aren't we? Because, you know, here's
organizations come for ask and I I see
the, you know, the we just keep like raising the bar on
what they have to do in order to get
there. Moving the goalpost. Okay. All
right. So, let's allow please let's
allow one individual to So, yes, that
that's it. That's it. I'm I'm done. I
just we you've asked you said what we're
going to do. Yes. So, Okay. So we'll
have a list of things here that we need
to um prior source of funding. Um does
the school can provide any funding? I'm
just recapping building coming in next
meeting. Is that why you you request to
that? Well, no, I'm just hear from this
immediate kind of need it sounds like
but I do think that we need to be
thinking comprehensively as we move
forward. Okay. Someone someone asked for
the organization to come in. Yes. Miss
Michael, please document this for me,
please. And I will follow up with Miss
Michael to make sure that the financial
part of it that we follow up and get the
available funding against these these
lines. Thanks. The funding um Mr. uh uh
Farley uh instead of youth programming,
youth services, we had to check on the
resolution. Can that be checked on? It's
a whatever the budget line item is. Mhm.
The
resol resolution passed all that, but
it's what each one of the line items you
put in there. So, um probably touch base
with the finance offer and find out
where those line items are. That's where
he's on vacation this week, right? I
understand. Yeah, he's not here tonight.
So, I don't Michael, can you um do that
for us? And when you have that, can you
share it to the council? What's left in
those lines? No, the the finance and
also the budget resolution in terms of
the specific detail description because
I just want to point out and remind
everyone that we did spend the money um
for youth employment over the summer. We
used, you know, we hired we hired all of
the folks that worked in our parks all
summer using that line. I'm pretty sure that was the line,
right, that we that we they are in the
process of of um processing those hires.
42 new somewhere around 40 40 plus plus
they have some extras some reserve that
they might add depends on the funding go
ahead please thank you so so again I
want to give you a chance to hear from
Mr. Mancini immediately something um so
I want to make sure I chance to hear
from Mr. Tennessee. And so, and it seems
like the information
uh that you need is uh what their source
of funding is. Um and currently um and
you want to know if they ask the school
district for money. Um and yes, I asked.
Now, I'm just making sure I got that
information right. And this is and we're
not talking about uh uh Mr. Ma because
this is something different, right?
It's just looking forward to I would
agree with you on that you know should
be something that we talk about in terms
of the compreh you know he plans our
recreational programs it's not just the
you know in terms of what the city
supports. So sure and I also would um
welcome any council member uh to to
think about where other funding within
the city could come from. I mean I don't
want to you know that's the whole point
of these type of collaborative
conversations. So, but I think they're
existing right now. The question is if
the funding is there, will you support
it? Mr. Macy. So, and this brought so as
we get to conclude this brought to a
good point where we need to broaden the
description in our budget the line youth
employment/ programming. I said that.
So, yes. So, we can do that uh and you
know correct that description as we go
into the 2026 budget. So, I'll make sure
that that description is added.
So, we are looking at employment and
we're looking at programming to support
uh leagues across the city cuz I would
like to see that we support all the
leagues in Yeah. Yeah. All right. So,
we'll get this back. We got all
information. We'll make sure we follow
up with Michael and we'll get all this
information. We'll get all the the
relevant agency in and what is needed
and we'll make sure that we have all of
that prior to uh us meeting in two
weeks. You see, I we have the money. I
would be in support of that. I would
honestly, you know, maybe this is coming
to Santa Barbara and see if he's open.
Doesn't come with a big check. Right.
Right. Right. Then we can make
him a resolution.
So, how many how many young people Well,
if you look down there, there there's
kind of a breakout. They also do girls
flag football, too, which is really
um so like there there's a lot of really
cool things happening in this program.
Again, there might be other ways of
funding. I appreciate everyone uh
looking for other ways of funding
outside of us, but as our in our duty as
council and our official capacity, um um
we have the ability to fund this
program, and that's what I'm looking
for, you know, and if you will, you
will. If you want, you won't. But let's
just land on that. Thank you. All right.
So, we'll have us back in two weeks for
a
vote. Mr.
The the next item is uh creating a trust
and agency account for band on Broadway
event. The mayor's not here. Could you
tell me?
Yeah, I just had a brief conversation
with the mayor this afternoon prior to
the meeting. Um this is setting up an
account for this um pro this I would say
event on uh on Broadway to receive
funding from sponsors
and other source of funding to help
carry out this event um during the
summer. Go ahead, please. So um this is
says we're partnering with restaurants.
So um since we're being specific about
things, which restaurants are they? I
would like to know.
Okay. Um there's my restaurant on the
Broadway that is I know it's on
Broadway between Union and Liberty
on Broadway. All three all the
restaurant there. Yes. All the
restaurants there. Yes. So um what days
and times?
Well, I'm sure we can get that
information days and time but to the
council but I preview for that date and
time but I was told it's summer. I don't
know what exact
date but
um the question is here is just creating
the account so that we can um deposit
sponsorship money without that we can't
deposit the money.
I have further questions. Go ahead. Go
ahead please. So,
um, I guess I want to know if if these
are private businesses and they're
getting sponsorships, then why is the
money being funneled through the city? I
don't understand that businesses get the
downtown gets I see sponsorship stuff
all the time on various restaurants. So,
I'm not really clear on why we are
funneling this money or being the
fidiciary for this money. And if we are
doing that, are we getting paid to do
that?
Paid to do it. fidiciaries get money. I
mean, we're doing it just for free. I
mean, why are we doing it? Okay, go
ahead, please. Well, I just want to say
I think that what what this is
suggesting is that Bands on Broadway
would be a City of Skenctity event. So,
it's going to be weekly. It's going to
be um a band, a different band every
week. It is going to be on Broadway.
They're closed down the street. The
restaurants are not um the restaurants
will be involved. Um but and again it's
remember it's an economic development
thing too in terms of because people
will be coming onto Broadway they'll be
eating at these restaurants. Um I don't
they're not going to I don't think that
the sponsorships are coming from the
restaurants. Um I think other
sponsorships are going to be sought. The
trust account that they're looking to
set up is just to deposit that money
into be like any of us in a in a private
organization or you know at our
workplaces. um you know, you need a
place, you know, as a fundraiser, you
know, I sometimes I had to set up
different accounts within our budget to
put the sponsorship money into those
accounts. That's that's what he's trying
to do. Um in other words, it's just not
going to go into the city, you know,
it's it's a that is my understanding
separate account away from the
consolidated.
So that is money is accounted for
outside of um the regular
city budget funds, right? I just need to
you said it's on the street and the LR
clearly says there will be a band
playing in the Liberty Street parking
lot while Broadway will be closed. I'm
pretty sure they're shutting down the So
park shutting down the parking lot. So
that brings me a further question which
goes back to the day and the time and
what impact does it have on employee
parking because that's where the
employees park. So
um and also how much are the
sponsorships and so I just have a lot of
questions and this probably is for Mr.
Um, for Mr. O'Brien, uh, so are trust
and agency accounts still being done? I
know that Gatsby at 84 was some they had
changed it. It's still being done. I
mean, it's it's it's we can't use it for
our purposes for purposes, but it can
still be still be done from what I
understand and that was the course of
action that was uh determined by the
commissioner of finance. So, I'd like um
if you don't mind us looking at it um
what Gatsby 84 says in terms of having
TNA
um because I know that there were some
things that changed in that um
legislation. So, I'd like us to take a
look at that. And again, I'm I just
don't have a clear understanding of if
there's a group of private businesses
why they couldn't collectively create an
account to do the sponsorships and why
it's going through the city. I I really
need clarity around that.
Go ahead, please. option then.
Unfortunately, the mayor is not here
tonight. Maybe this is something that we
bring back in two weeks when the mayor's
here.
Yep.
Go ahead, please. I would be in favor of
that. But, um, Jasan J
um, Mr. O'Brien, do you know anything
about that? How funds are No. Okay. I
don't similar to that cuz I don't think
we I I'm sorry, Mr. Wood. Go ahead,
please. I don't think we have a TNA
account at them. And you're right, it's
pretty similar. It's like going through
the the SIC. I don't know the answer to
that question. So, you know what? I know
who I can ask though because she's the
person that started it. So, I can
definitely ask her how they they manage
that.
Bring it back. Go ahead, please. Uh,
just only say as a point of
consideration, we al we often hear
critiques about communication and how it
could have flowed better. Hindsight's
always 2020. I think to Miss
Porterfield's point, I believe that's in
the same parking lot with the school
district. Also, surrounding businesses,
parking is very limited downtown. So,
making a conscientious effort to inform
them. I don't know if that's something
that naturally happens, but again, I
don't think you can overcommunicate. So,
definitely if we have time, notifying.
Go ahead, please. I mean, I think we I
agree that we need to have more
information about this um series that's
going to be city a city event. Um I
think that we have to remember that it
will be at nighttime. So in terms of the
employee parking piece or um I don't
know about the school district but um
this is going to be an evening um is the
school district use the the Broadway
they uh that parking lot they they've
had after hours events so I think this
could conflict. So just sharing
information. So we're talking about the
cuz the school district uh has their own
parking lot behind uh Right. Right.
So, but there is an agreement. I don't
know exactly what the agreement is, but
the building that's right next door
there. So, I don't know exactly what
that what what that agreement, but we
definitely use that parking lot um as
well. So, yeah, it might be something
that
I think Liberty Street is the the city
lot for here. I think that's what we're
talking Liberty and Broadway right
behind. Right. Yeah. Over there, which
makes it right off of Broadway. that
large city that you're talking about.
Go ahead, please. I I guess regardless
of the specifics about what night it is,
what time it is, what bands are going to
put there, I guess the ask is just to
create a trust and agency and
confirmation.
Um, which I I guess we could I'm not
familiar with this. Gatsby 84 could
or 84 84. Could you explain that to me
or it's it's a certain accounting and
principles government accounting
standards board has certain guidance
they put out. So we have to look at 84
um or 34 to see whether it fits within
that but as I I stated before it was my
understanding that this you know the
finance commissioner was okay with uh
creating this type of account. Sorry. We
can certainly look at the uh the
standards board's uh policy documents.
And also could you see if we have any
other um uh trust and agency accounts
within the city?
There there was one for the dog park at
one time but that was years ago. Yeah.
And those but those were like
individuals who because it was for the
dog park amendment. But was was it a
business who was trying to get
sponsorship and then going through the
city? I think this is a little bit
different. I think I think what they I I
don't know for sure, but I think what they're looking for here is they're
going to have bands at that parking lot
and they're looking for, you know, uh
donations to support that effort for to
have the bands come to that particular
location. I think that's what they're
looking for.
I again I think we'll have the mayor
talk about this next time, but it's not
that the restaurants are sponsoring it.
The city of Skenctity will sponsor Bands
on Broadway. So, we are looking for the
sponsorships, not the restaurants. It's
not private businesses that are seeking
the sponsorships. It's the city is going
to be seeking sponsorships. In the same
way, if you think of Summer Night um
which is a county um event, they seek
sponsorships for summer night or they
seek sponsorships for the holiday
parade. Um, it's it's not, you
know, Grano on on State Street that's
looking for a sponsorship for the
holiday parade. It's it's the county.
It's this and so this is going to be I
believe my understanding is that this
would be a new city sponsored activity.
Well, I appreciate the information. Um,
I didn't have that. It does not say that
in the LR. So, you're telling me
something. Are So, is are these are
absolutes? So this is no we need to hear
from the mayor. So no they say
sponsorship sponsorship will be
collected to pay for bands and operation
of this event. So it's more of creating
this account, deposit the money and pay
for the the bands um at this event and
then um yes we uh don't have a specific
but I think um the specific is more
towards um the
event and when the the hosting of the
event uh during the summer. So creating
the account if we can I don't see a
problem creating the account and then uh
we can have the mayor back in two weeks
to kind of get provide us the uh the
detail from you then for the city. I
mean I think you guys pretty much know
you have everything
the
broader we have they have our that's all
we have. you have the broad
understanding of what the event is
about. Um, Thursday nights, I believe
the band is going to start around 5:00
5:30. Um, different brands every
Thursday. We are going to skip uh the
July 4th Thursday. Okay, that's all I
have about the event.
Every Thursday 5:00 p.m. 5:30 5:30 is
when the band's about to start to about
8 or 9.
Okay, go ahead. Um, I do know uh uh
Jumping Jacks, Collins Park, whatever.
Different businesses on the Avenue or
whatever sponsor the bands like Village
Pain sponsors the the Grand Central
Station that particular night. Maybe
it's something like that. I don't know.
But I mean, I guess just to get it
going. I mean, if the recommendation is
to create a trust and agency thing,
finance is okay with it. But again, no
matter what the specifics are, just
let's create. That's all we're asking.
Go ahead, please. So, it seems like in
because I'm hearing what our what the
president is saying around uh us looking
at like what's the um what changes could
have happened. Um I think that we should
probably hear from the mayor on that
unless he you know, I think it seems
like he has some um perspective that
might be missing from the table. I'd
like to hear the what the mayor's
thoughts are directly um before we move
forward in my opinion. Well, go ahead,
please. Are we still in finance? Yes, we
are. I'm now making a motion that we um
set up a trust and agency account uh for
donations for bands on Broadway.
I don't know if you're waiting for a
second before there's discussion. It's
up to you. I mean, I don't Can I Can I
table? Sure. But any other discussion
before we So I just again I'm concerned
about whether we can actually do you
want us to take a look at 84 and then get back to the uh the council
on that and then if if if it's okay with
that then move forward with the
legislation or or or you want to and and
I know that the commissioner is out. So
can we get um since that came out of the
comprollers's office can we get an
opinion from the comprollers's office
because he's not going to be here all
week. We'd have to wait two weeks before
we moved forward if we if we're waiting
for Mr. uh Wukamok. Yeah. Well, we can
at least try to look and get 84. We'll give it a go and uh see what we
can do and get the the guidance out
from, you know, 84 or from the
controllers or both. And uh regarding
this trust and agency account um the
idea is the trust and agency account
will be managed by our finance
department uh to ensure that the
transactions are accurate and
appropriate and that the finance
department will make dispersements from
the trust and agency account and
supporting marketing and fundraising
activities. So that that's the general
state of it. Um and that uh we can't use
trust and agency accounts for any sort
of city of skinnity operations.
Understood. And uh that's just a broad
overview. So we can take a look at that
and report back to the council by the
end of the week. Is that is that uh is
that
I mean I'd like to know who this what
the sponsor. It's just it's a lot of
vague information. Um you know but just
for the broad you know just for the for just the the trust and agency just
for that without getting into the
specifics of the program. I'd like to
know where the funding is coming from. I
would like to know that. Okay. So, does
that have anything to do with the
creating the fund the the account?
Creating the account
kind of No, I don't think so. Well,
maybe not for you, but for me it does.
But anyway, um so I'm not on this
committee, so thank you for the time.
um our city charter that we are allowed
to create um trust. No, you're you're
allowed but we have to you know to get
everybody you know that that level of
everybody's on the same page. We will
look to see you look at the uh
government accounting standards board
guidance on the on trust and uh uh trust
and agency accounts for municipalities
to you know button that up.
So you have a motion on the floor. So
why don't we add that to the table?
Right. Yeah. just because there were
more discussion. So why don't we add
that to the res the motion that you move
contingent upon contingent upon getting
that information that's in compliance
with the government account that uh
guidance
documents. So, the resolution would be
that we would set up a trust and agency
account um that was in line with the um
accounting. Yeah. Gas the gas standards
which I'm sure our commissioner of
financing saying
and you will you will get that by
Thursday uh Thursday hopefully. I'm
going to guess
Thursday. All right. So, that motion is
on the floor. Do I have a second for
that? I'm going to second it. All in
favor? I I. Any other business support
for
finance? May I have a motion to the
journ?
Second. All in favor? I. Thank
you. I'd like to call the order of
government operations. We have two items
on the agenda. The first one is a
resolution to see you social security
office president. Thank you. So, you all
have the um the legislative request in
front of you and I know that we've all
heard about what is going on in terms of
cutting staff at Social Security,
cutting funding to Medicare, Medicaid,
and so um we have the information about
the bill numbers. So, what I'm seeking
right now is for the city council to
pass a resolution that would support um
the um protecting American social
security data HR 1877 and um and the
Social Security Expansion Act uh
HR1700. So, and then there's there are
Senate bills as well. So, that's my um
ask. Everything is here. I don't need to
read it for you. Um, I'm sure you've had
uh the opportunity to take the time to
read it through, but it does impact our
residents locally, not just the people
that need the benefits, but also the
people that work there as well. So, has
a financial impact, an economic impact
upon our city. So, I would like us to
pass a resolution supporting those
bills. Thoughts,
comments? Go ahead. Yeah, Mr. Chairman,
I think you've given the background
information on that. I think it's a good
summary of the situation and uh I think
that that should go forward as as as
proposed. Um I'm just adding to that. Um
I know sometimes we change things um but
I I think that's summarizes it as as uh
Madame President indicated summarizes
the situation. Thank you, Miss Spectre.
Yes. Um because I had originally
actually written a lot of this um
proposal. Um, I pulled it at the last
moment because I wasn't sure. We we were
talking about it and writing about it um
prior to really knowing if the federal
government was going to be moving
forward with indeed what they now are
planning to move forward to. So, I
absolutely support this. Um, the
language was something that um was
suggested. Um, so um I am in favor of
this.
I would like to make a motion that we
move forward supporting this
resolution. I'll second. All those in
favor? I pass. Second on our agenda is
followup discussion for chapter 93 city
court regarding representation in
civilian police review board.
Thank you. So we we brought this uh
forward before because sun became
dormant.
Mr. Williams and I actually went to the
upper neighborhood upper union
neighborhood association meeting and
they were talking a lot about wanting to
bring it
back but
um no one stepped up to do it. So we
definitely need to uh take a look at how
we revise chapter 93. I haven't heard
from you know um I was looking for
council member u information on it. I
didn't receive any which is fine. I
understand that but I think we
definitely need to do that. And what um
Miss
Pomiteer was has agreed to come and
visit us um for 16th, not the second.
Okay.
June 16th. June 16th. And just explain
where they are. Additionally, she is
providing information for all of us
tonight to talk uh it's their first
quarter report on the type of complaints
that they have seen and everyone should
have a copy of that. I just want us to
get this issue settled about how we uh
staff that board and we're not so
they're not in put in the position of um
continue of having to not have meetings.
So my question is for Mr. Williams. Has
that happened to your knowledge that
they have had to postpone meetings or
adjourn meetings at
uh in terms of
uh so last month they were able to meet
the month prior they did have quorum
issues. Um they're definitely to the
best of their abilities. Uh this
document is to reflect that they were
able to meet for the first quarter
entirely. Um but definitely addressing
this in whatever capacity of the council
just ensures that they have the
appropriate number of representation to
have
continued attendance portfolio. And also
I will say that there was an
organization that uh their member wasn't
coming. They got a new gotten a new job
and so therefore they weren't coming. So
they are putting forth a new name to
replace that person. So hopefully that
will help with their uh the quorum issue
there as well. Mr. Ter, thank you. Are
there any other organizations maybe that
aren't included in in with
representation on the board that we
could reach out to or I don't know a
thought? Well, there's specific
legislation that I mean it's in a code
but it's like these organizations,
right? We could change it, but it's it's
like there's very specific and then and
then outside of those organizations,
there's still room for I think there's
two uh two maybe even I think actually
four. I think there's four um other
ones, but we could look at chapter 93.
So, there are um there are other outside
the agency's loops. I think we probably
should kind of recommmit ourselves to
this um as a council cuz I think this is
one of the things that came out of um uh
the re police reform. And I think that
as time passes away from um the brutal
murder of George Floyd and Briana Taylor
that we kind of sometimes can um get
back to our business as usual type of
thing. So I think this is something that
we really need to demonstrate to the
people of the city's connectivity that
we're committed to the important work
that this board does.
Questions, comments, concerns.
So we'll see. Oh, sorry. Go ahead.
Sorry. I just wanted to add in so with
uh her tenative attendance at the 16th
of next month that allows them time to
meet the week prior. So they should be
able to uh conceptualize their thoughts
and bring them back to the council
collectively. Okay. Thank you.
No, I no that's I was going to say that.
Okay. So any more issues on board
government
operations? Hearing none I will accept a
motion to close government operations.
So move second in favor I I we are journ
social security that's done
I'd like to call to order the public
safety committee we have one item on the
agenda tonight that is the discussion of
traffic parking near hydrants and
signage for weight limits on King's
Road.
Okay. Um
so I'm sure we all get comments about uh
traffic. We again at the same
neighborhood association meeting we um
had feedback on the 25 mph speed limit.
We had some positive and there's some
people say it didn't make any
difference. So I guess it depends on
where you live not where you sit but
where you live in this case. So um I
think we need a little bit more time
with that
and in terms of traffic
I we really have to take a look at
because people are still speeding there
just no no question. And um one of the
things that was also brought into the
meeting was that in terms of putting in
speed tables, how the determination is
made uh that it was
um maybe it could be more than where
accidents happen. So, so that was you
know part of it. And the other thing
that was also and this was just keep in
mind this was the upper Union Street um
neighborhood association. So they're
around Union Street, around Central Park
and all of that. And they had about nine
items. Wouldn't you say it was great?
And so what we did was break it down who
should hear what and started sending out
emails and on the nine items which
department they should they should go to
and um and one of the things was you
know things that happening in Central
Park and you know we all know there was
just a very recent tragedy
unfortunately. Um so we definitely want
to be we are sending emails. It's Mr.
Cannon um Mr. for the mayor. I mean,
excuse me. Um, and who else was that?
Oh, Mr. Wallen. Mr. Wallen. Mr. Wallen.
And the police department that um got
with the emails based on on what the
concerns were and I know that Mr. Wallen
is going to actually, I believe, going
to Woodlaw to talk about traffic this
week. So, there's a lot of conversation
about traffic that's going on. Um, the
other part of
this is parking their hydrants. People
have been getting a lot of tickets
lately. So, I have a
question. Does everyone know how far
away you have to be from Hydra?
Does anyone know? How many? 50. 5.
No, I was going to say 100. Oh, no. I do
not.
It's actually 15 ft.
Yeah. Yeah. It's pretty close to the
highway. Oh, actually, um, somebody
thought it was 5T. That's close to the
hydrant. And I actually saw somebody
park 2 feet away, and I'm like, I think
you're a little too close. But, um, and
I So, what I would like to recommend is
that we actually paint. You know, that
there's places there's curbing, it's
painting. So, I'd like to recommend that
we paint the curb. So, there's no
guessing involved. Um, I'm not sure
whose um department that falls under.
I've got something that would make
that. Okay.
um but make that suggestion that if we
could um you know do that. I don't know
if the code even says anything regarding
that but people have gotten tickets
because their lack of knowledge. So if
we have the opportunity to define it for
people without them having to look up
the code or try to figure it out or
guess I think that would be an
opportunity for us to do that. So I'd
like to I would like to suggest that I
guess I'd have to suggest it through the
mayor's office and and I will definitely
do
that. Oh, I'm sorry. There's one thing I
forgot to mention about traffic.
Um cuz I know that you got the text
message as well. So you you got the text
message. Um so we got three
resolutions from excuse me petitions
from Tracy Collins for the weight limit,
the stop
signs. What was the third? Speed. Speed
speeding. Was it just speeding? It was
definitely speeding on the petition. So
um and in terms of the stop signs, we
heard from our engineer and we heard
from the uh traffic engineer in terms of
whether stop signs make sense or
something that we're would actually do
there. And as I remember he's here to
say to to talk uh to say so if uh we
need that. But um that they that was not
their recommendation even though the
petition they did submit a petition. So,
I want to just make sure I bring it
forward because uh there was a text
message that was sent um saying
essentially that we didn't care about
the safety of people on Kings Road and
all of that. Um there was a text message
which I I initially said something back
in the text and I said, you know, this
isn't this is not an official means of
communication and I'll respond to you uh
via email. So, I just want to know that
that's out there and they are looking
for a response to what we do on those
petitions. And oh, part of the and the
one of the petitions is um for the
signage for the weight limit on Kings
Road, which I did speak with Mr. um
Collins, and I don't know if you all
know, my understanding he's he's ill
right now, so that's not why we're not
seeing him there. Uh, one of them was
the signage for weight limit on Kings
Road and when I saw him at the
comprehensive meeting for the for
Woodlon. I told him that one I would
bring forward and the others I felt like
there was some decision that was already
made and so I would bring this one
forward. So I did ask Mr. um Canon who
was here this evening to take a look at
that and so he is here to explain to us
about the signage for weight limit on
King's Road.
Okay, thank you. So, it's pretty simple.
Uh, you have we have the list being
handed out here of the roads that are
posted for weight in the
city and Kings Road is not on there. um
we would we would do so if we see a
reason to do that but uh it's not itself
evident to do that. So and it has never
been posted. I know that was a question
did my homework on
that. Mr. President, just question. So,
um, wouldn't this
uh was the petition that's not looking
at me?
Uh, what what level of consideration are
we giving that petition cuz I think the
people are seeing that.
So, I'd like to uh let our engineer
speak to that in terms of how we make
those determinations and to my
knowledge, it's not my petition. Mr.
Wallen,
we pardon. May I ask about wheat first?
Oh, sure. Sure. Oh, yeah. Oh. Oh, wait.
I'm sorry. It was on my committee. Yeah.
So, Mr. So, um it's not on here. It was
never on here. Um what would be the
possibility of um because that's uh
going over the new bridge and and
construction and things that happened
when I came through. Is it something
that we should consider to maintain the
road to maintain? So, it was never
there. It was never there. Right. Right.
So,
is it something we can look into on
different roads throughout the city that
maybe not are listed on here? Is it
something we can post there? Is there a
lot of uh is there any way to um see
what type of trucks are using K's road?
Um as far as, you know, again, we want
to maintain our our our roads, the
asphalt, everything that's happening is it is it being used, I guess. So, a
lot of that would actually have to do
with engineering and kind of the
physical makeup of the road. question.
Well, I guess Mr. My question would be
why, you know, maybe you'll have answer
this. Why not post the sign if there is
a weight limit and there's a concern? I
know that there was just a water mane
break there on Kings Road not too long
ago. I don't know if that's a result of
that, but I mean, if the people in
requesting that and there is actually
wait by I mean I guess my question is
why not put the sign up?
Well, I can say that there's a business
that's on there that already has
um trucks that are over 8 tons and the
business is already located there. So,
that that's going to be a concern. Um
yeah, my my my thing is if there is a
limit
and then you know we should probably
post it if people are saying that's what I'm saying. Why not post it?
But I I appreciate what you're saying
because Yeah. Sorry. there's there well
that would mean that if we posted it
that that business would not be able to
do business because the trucks they have
are over eight limits and is it's an
existing business so um I didn't even
realize what eight tons were but I got
educated here by Mr. Wall told me what 8
tons are. So I will let let him. So is
the limit 8 tons right now? There is no
limit right now. Okay.
And never has.
Is there a question? I was going to ask.
Is there a question? Yes. Was there
further clarification that we were
seeking of Mr. Wall? Yes. Well, whether
it makes sense, I guess you said there is no weight limit. You talked
about the Could you just talk about the
business that's there versus and what
the impact would be? Sure. In terms of
that, in our industrial zoned area,
which is at the toe of the bridge on the
border of the city, there is a use of
Badger con uh Badger back trucks. I
think they have about a half a dozen
back trucks and the back trucks weigh
somewhere around 15 tons.
So if we ever were to post a street, we
would probably need to include local,
you know, local traffic only, 8 tons
local traffic only so that this person
could stay in business or we would need
to somehow res I don't I I don't know,
reszone the area and he, you know, get
this business out of there and say that
we no longer want that. Um, and I I've
never heard of such a thing, but you
know, that's what it is. And if we were
to sign it 8 tons and still allow the
Badger
trucks, the problem is still there. The
problem is specific to these trucks
mainly because of their size. So that's
whereas I don't know if this actually
addresses the issue.
Any other questions for So on the
Roderdam side of the bridge, is there signs that that say eight tons?
Yes.
So, I don't know, you know, how we I
don't I don't know how we change a
weight limit that excludes a business
that's existing.
And I think Mr. Collins, as I
understand, it was under the impression
that there was signage, but Mr. Cannon
is telling us that never that he he said
to us that the signs were up and then
were taken down. Mr. Canon was saying
that based on our city code that and
there's a list of streets you all have
in front of you that there was no there
was never a um signage on that
particular street. Mr. Toro, thank you.
Um tell me what 8 tons is. Like our
trash trucks are how many? Well, that'd
be heavier than that. Um 8 tons is
16,000 lb. I would guess our garbage
trucks are probably similar to a vac
truck. Somewhere around 12 to 12 to 18
tons. And they're solid. So I I'm
wondering though the property at the end
of the street is is it I mean although
they're heavy and they have to travel to
get to their business, could we ask them
to go maybe 10 m an hour traveling that
road? I don't know. Just to to you know
maybe it's the I know what it's like you
know to have the house shake when big
trucks go down my street. I'm wondering
if if it's a speed factor if we could at
least reach out to try to accommodate
the homeowners on that street if maybe
we would you know go a little less than
a 25 mph speed limit. M I'm sorry. Yeah,
Mr. W. Correct me if I'm wrong. The
tonnage is a reference to the integrity
of the road, right? That does that take
into consideration its impact on local
residents?
It could be that. Yes. Uh usually um
it's for bridges. That's where you would
see it. You know um you know this list I spoke with my predecessors about how
this list came to be and essentially
this list came to be because of people
who are your predecessors not mine. So
if that makes any sense without getting
more elaborate into it uh I've mapped
this. I can send you the map of these
roads. The maps of these roads is
scattered. It's illogical. Doesn't make
any sense. Okay. Right. It predates me.
It predates Brian. It predates probably
most of you. So to to ask if there was
any logic behind this beyond why is
there a logic behind stop signs on
console road, right? That would say that
your predecessors thought that this was
the best course of action at the time.
Uh I'm not going to stand and say that
these roads cannot support more than
four tons. I've never seen a two-tonon
posting. that was new. A two-tonon would
mean that anything bigger than
essentially a Prius couldn't go down
that road. So, we want to start doing
that. Then that would be interesting.
But,
you know, um that I I wasn't even aware
of this table till Brian found it.
And it also says on there that it
doesn't exclude um it's not it can't
prevent delivery or pick up merchandise.
Correct.
The idea was to
prevent trucks going. You know,
similarly, uh you know, that was another
reason certain one-way streets were
created. Mhm. To make sure that trucks
did not go down certain ways. So, it seemed that any decision we made
would grossly impact this one company.
And it sounds as if our intent is not to
cause them any financial hardships um
willingly or unwillingly. That's I I
don't know what the direction is for
that one aspect of it. Um but definitely
for the other areas of this uh the
traffic and the uh parking hydrants. I
definitely think it's our responsibility
as a city to make sure we are setting
people up for success. I know this is a
revenue line and I think it will always
be present. Um but in response to the
fee adjustments that we had at the end
of last year, I think the felt changes
is that we are uh putting in place
additional mechanisms to get more money
out of people and that's not the type.
It's how we promote uh safer and more
efficient uh adherence to our city code.
Um so I think that's updating our signs.
If that's painting, although it may be
tedious, I imagine it will be. I think
that just presents us as a city that's
responsive to what the residents are
saying. Um, but I do want to make sure
we have a a time to address the aspect
of the weight limit because that is
going to take a considerable amount of
conversation to get that moving.
Are you requesting that only streets
with curbs be painted or all? No, that's
an issue. Not all streets have curves. I
always forget that. Mhm. M.
So, so would so with with streets with
no curbs, how would we even how could we even do that? I mean, you
can't spray the grass. It grows. It gets
cut. So, you spray the road. Okay. Um I
just Brian wants to say what that effort
would be. It would be an effort. It was
to paint the roads. We get quite tied
up. That was our newest endeavor to to
just to be clear to paint the curbs or
to paint the your objective is to paint
on each side of the hyphen, right? To
make it clear as you can park. That's going to be similar to New York
City. New York City. Isn't there someone
who goes around and paints the hydrants?
Isn't that I don't know if that person's
even still doing that, but there I
remember there being an article there
was someone whose sole responsibility
was just to paint hydrants.
I we don't employ anybody that does
that. Okay. It was in the newspaper. It
was a volunteer. Oh, there it was a
volunteer. Hey, a volunteer.
Are you volunteering? Well, no.
Can I just add the constituent that kept
complaining? So, I went back to see
Phyllis and uh she gave me a little jar
and she said, "And that's for two
hydrants." So, my friend and I went and
painted his and then I painted the one
in front of my house. So, anyone can do
that. They will give you the paint for
free. It has to be two hydrants.
to the public. Well, Mr. Canon is saying
that to do that would be
labor intensive and you don't have
anywhere to do that. Well, we do. It
would just tie us off quite well just
like I mean this is a a thought if just
like we had the volunteer who was doing
the P hydrants if if if it's allowed
because I know there's union concerns
and all that stuff. if that would be
something that we'd be open to. All
right. I guess a suggestion would be if
we're being responsive to the data that
we received, is there any way we can
compile a listing of hydrants that are
frequently ticketed um and start with
those and maybe have a staged approach
cuz sincerely it's not to preoccupy your
time, which I imagine could be better
used. I think it's just how do we take
intentional steps showing the community
that we hear you and we are working to
alleviate that burden of not knowing
what 15B is.
Mr. Tor, thank you again. I I I would
recommend we reach out to Chief Burns.
Absolutely. And and have him put out a
notice what 15 ft are. A lot of people
are being ticketed. Uh 15 ft is, you
know, just pretend your height double
whatever. Um, triple triple triple for
some of us short. Um, be consistent. You
know, it's important that we have access
to the having a fire in the in the wall
at my house. Um, you know, I'm out in
the middle of the driveway guiding the
them down, even though the fire is 3 in
from my driveway farthered in. But
anyway, um, on their Facebook page, on
their website, every time they put
something out, you know, just to keep
them clear.
So I I would like to like I mean just we
like we had volunteers that cleaned up
8.90 up above 890. There's just a lot of
if we can get a volunteer effort to do
that because I don't want to take the
resources if um you know it would just
be taking away from other things and if
we if it's something we can get
volunteers to do and you and it's
something that the union doesn't have a
problem with and that you're open to.
Um, yeah, I
would I would probably uh not volunteer
any painting in the city at this time. I
think that would be a bad idea. Me, too.
Why is that? Painting. Any painting, not
even the curbs. Correct. Okay. Any
painting that our painters that are
under us normally do. I would let our
painters or someone like that normally
do that painting. Oh, you would? Yes.
Okay. What do I think? All right. I
would
um so then we would I guess start with a
streamline list. Okay. Yeah. With a list
of hide because people are I mean we
don't randomly bring things up. People
come to us like hey you know I'm getting
tickets. A couple people I think last
weekend and the one guy parked in
fortunately for him even though I told
him I know you're too close. He's like
yeah and he walked
away. So thank you again. And one last
time, I think it's important that the uh
fire department knows, you know, that
the little handle on the top is up in
the air because a lot of them are
sideways and a lot of them don't have
them on there. I do report that. So when
you are parking, you can be aware that
there's a fire hydrant maybe um with the
grasses tall. Some of the hydrants are tiny, especially over in the
woodline area. They're about this high.
So again, that they're they're at least
noticeable.
All right, we'll get a list. Okay, thank
you for your time.
Uh, so with respect to the weight limit,
um, I know you were looking to present
this to council and the consideration
additional ass at this point. Um, I'm going based on what's been said by
um, Mr. Cannon and and Mr. um, Mr.
Wallen in terms of there is there's no
weight limit. I don't see how we change
that.
And I think as we look to make
considerations to accommodate individual
interests, I think it's important to
just know that there are individuals in
these positions with the lived
experience and knowledge of these
professions and um at this time there's
no formal process to recognize a
petition. Um but sincerely, if any
residents affected by this decision feel
so to continue voicing their concerns,
please come to our council meetings and
make that point clear. Uh if there are
no other items to uh or no other
considerations for this specific item,
Miss Well, I just want Mr. Wallen, if
you could just um once again for the
sake of the public speak to how we came
about the decision about not um doing
this outside.
Sure. We did traffic studies based on
volume. What? On Kings Road. On Kings
Road. Yep. We did a traffic study a year
ago that was presented to the council.
We've done sensor data. We've done
counts and we have not found that
traffic the stop signs are worn in the
area.
So, are there concerns about like if if
you to add a stop sign, are there like
safety concerns about that or is it just
that it doesn't seem warranted? I guess
well um you know it was brought up that
u by the mayor several meetings ago that
uh one of the things that you could have
if we weren't properly
um I don't know what we say vetted but
you could get a rear end and somebody
could say that stop sign shouldn't be
there you know and maybe come and say
something to the city. I mean the the
whole idea with a stop sign is that you
know you would need traffic to come from
two directions not not just the one. So
really you don't have cross traffic in
the Woodlwan neighborhood that's a
generator significantly like Kings Road
would be. So then you you wouldn't need
necessary to stop because the gaps are
present enough where cars coming from
the side can get onto King's Road. I
doubt anyone ever says that they had a
hard time pulling out on King's Road
from any one of the side streets because
it's a you know the traffic on there is
not some kind of where you have like a
state street where it's a just a
continuous flow of traffic. Um, one of
the things that I was asked to look into
that I I will is that, you know, they
are doing some development uh in the
Woodwan area. Someone came to planning
commission with some apartments and
things like that. So, they were asking
about that uh and how that development
might affect traffic. Um, I will look
into that because I'm sure I'm going to
get questions on it Wednesday night. Um,
but when the study was completed, there
was no warrant and that's what for any
stop sign or any traffic signal, you
have to meet a warrant.
And I just um just want to remind
everyone that so when Mr. um Mr. Collins
has been coming to us about the concerns
there there have been some traffic
calming measures that have been done in
terms of crosswalk. Um was was there
anything else besides the Well, we did
crosswalk. We did road striping. Um you
know, we narrowed the lanes. That's a
number one thing that you do is you
narrow the lanes to make the roads feel
narrower. That does work. Um we did do
guide rail at the corners around that
area. Um you know the street was already
narrow. We made it more. Um you know we
like I said before that is it is a
federally a eligible road. It's called a
minor arterial. It is not kind of
qualified as a local road like most of
the roads. So that you know we would
like to keep roads like that flowing and
we like to keep them open. Technically
those roads are the ones that I've
recommended. We don't go putting speed
tables and things on because those are
the roads that we rely on to move
traffic. um if we start with those then
the local roads uh may get an influence
where you want to be on that. So it is a difficult situation because
everyone here deals with homeowners and
it is tough to tell a homeowner that
lives on Union Street or not or you know
one of these local arterials that yes
you have traffic and it will be more
commercial in nature. It's just that's
what it is because you know they it
affects their quality of life and most
of the things that bring up to you are
quality of life issues.
Mr. store. Um, when we were considering
stadium selling and egress and people
getting in or not, but it it was at that
point it was it was uh it was said that
there was an eight 8 ton limit. Uh, but
is that Roderdam side or was that side
as well? Rodam side. And I do want to
say that my first time I've come from um
King's Road uh towards um Skenctity and
there is a sign there isn't a digital
sign there telling me my speed now. Um
coming over the bridge I was at about 30
and it was flashing my speed and then
down to 25. So um would it be possible
to put something like that? I mean it I
pay attention to that. Would it be
possible to put something like that over
by Kingsway? the people coming towards
the bridge would slow down as well when
they see the the the flashing sign.
Sure. I can talk. It's usually PD.
They're the ones who own own those
signs, but I can talk to them about it.
Start right cuz I just want to make sure
that everyone understands that we didn't
let it fall on deaf ears. No. Use the
recommendation of our engineer because
Yeah. And I just want and I'll bring it
up when I see Tracy again is that much
like everything else is that I just I
feel like the council because I hope
that they have faith in me. We lean on
engineering a lot. We lean on
engineering to fix the problems and not
enforcement of the properties. So, you
know, we can do these things just like
you say. We lowered it to 25. That's a
big change. New York State had to change
legislation. We had to do it for 3 years
and do a study. All right. Right. And
now everybody's going, "Nobody's paying
attention to 25. That's not on me." Mhm.
All right. And we haven't had issues on
Kings Road, but we're still having
complaints. So now, you know, we're
asked to fix issues that I have no
documentation of. And then when I do a
study and the issues don't come up, I'm
still asked to fix the issues. And now
it's a weight limit on a road. And even
if I put the weight limit in place,
there's tractor trailers that work on
the road. So, you know, let's we just
have to really be logical about what
we're doing. And you know, we can do all
of these things, but then you have to
ask yourself, if we did everything,
would we still have complaints? And I
feel like we would. That's why we're
relying on you for your uh your advice
in these things. I think that's also why
it's important to Mr. Wallen's point, we
have to support the decisions that are
made and accept our uh I guess stance on
accepting and valuing Mr. responds
feedback because to his credit he is
sincerely working with very strained
resources in the engineering department
with the expectation to continue year in
and year out to have greater impacts on
the city and what I imagine is part of
his unspoken uh frustration is
continuing to have to respond to a
project that he's already researched
heavily and thoroughly. So I think part
of it is we are not going to please
everyone. I know we need talking to the
choir. Um, but unfortunately there are
other efforts and areas in the city that
require the same due diligence from his
office and I would imagine part of it is
needs to get on to those areas as well.
That is not uh a disregard to the
individuals and residents of this
neighborhood. That is just unfortunately
there is not the we're not able to
accommodate your request and that
doesn't mean we don't value your
opinions. It's just there's no
justification to support them as we look
at how you would roll that out to the
entire city. Uh so I say there are no
other questions or comments. Um asking
for a motion to adjurnn. So second. All those in favor.
Thank you Mr. Long. Um the next Oh, why
are you here for this as well? Yes.
Okay. Um so I'd like to call to order
city development and planning. And we
have nine items on the agenda. The first
item is to authorize license for
construction and ax access easement with
the Max Maxon Road, excuse me, Max and
Alpha Holdings LLC for the Mohawk Harbor
Lookout project. Miss Barrage.
Oh, that was a refer to Mr. Wallen.
Okay.
Two sessions ago, we approved a
construction contract to Carver
Construction to construct a landing at
Mohawk Harbor. The landing is not on
city property. In order to construct and
then allow the public to use the
landing, we need an easement.
Any questions?
Anyone? So, um, let's
see. I think I asked this question of
I'm not sure. So, this the doing this
additional doing the with these this is
not going to add any cost to the project
essentially is my my question. No. No.
Okay. So there's no additional cost. So
any any questions at all? I move this.
I'll second. All in favor? I thank you.
And the next one is to award the bid
contract
for crack ceiling of select city streets
2025 to city mark striping LLC in the
amount of $175,440.
Yes. Yep. So every year we put out a
crack sealing bid. Crack ceiling is the
number one preventative man measure for
preventing potholes. Uh this year we
received five bids and the low bid was
from um city Martin. Uh we have not
worked with them but we did call
references. They have worked
municipalities and we have no reason not
to recommend that we move forward. Okay.
Any questions?
Motion. Second. All those in favor.
Thank you. Uh third I excuse me is to
call for a public hearing for the
redirection of a portion of Chrysler
Avenue from a two-way street to a
one-way street from the intersection of
Craig and Main Streets to holster and
their place. Mr. Wall U city engineering
and development department has done
multiple studies uh that have been
brought and approved by the city
council. First one was the Craig Main
corridor study and then that was
followed up uh recently by the Craig uh
sorry Crane Albany corridor studies. Um
part of that was the recommendation that
Chrysler Avenue be turned to one way
between Crane Street and Orander. Um
this is a section if anyone is familiar
that is extremely narrow. Uh it is
difficult to navigate especially when
there are two ways. Um and so the
recommendation was to change it to one
way. Uh we are bringing this for you now
because I am in the process of about to
bid a intersection reconstruction
project at Crane Chrysler in Maine and
the approval of this is necessary to
move forward with that.
So I I'm I'm sure most of us have driven
that street. It is a narrow street. Even
when there's no snow, you still have to
pull over and let another car pass. Um,
so the streets that that uh feed into
that, are they both two-way streets? Uh,
actually, no. It's the streets on either
side of what's going to be the freshman
academy when they open up next year. Uh,
and I believe they're like one way going
this way. Um, we have met though with
the school district. They are aware of
it. We have met with the fire
department. We met with the police
department. So, everyone is aware of it.
Um, and and and I don't you shouldn't
see any comments from them because we've
been working with them for about a year
on it. Okay. All
right. And
so which where so which direction will
the traffic now be? It will go from the
intersection of crane towards Orander.
Okay. All
right. Any other questions? Anyone?
Okay. I'll see a motion. So move second.
All those in favor I. Thank you, Mr. R.
Thank you. You're welcome.
Uh item number four.
Okay. was uh to reassess yearround
alternate side of the street parking
policy. Mr. Farley, sure. Um I thought
we were going to be bringing this back.
That's what he's going to tell you.
Okay. Okay. Yeah. So, I've talked to the
Bureau of Service uh deputy commissioner was out. He's on vacation,
but the chief of police is also away on
vacation. And the assistant chief asked
uh if that we could push this so that
they can have a uh detailed response
regarding this issue as a group. Nope. I
appreciate informed decisions, then
yeah, you can definitely do that. Okay,
we'll bring that back into the Thank you
very much for your time. You're welcome.
All right, the remaining uh items are
for property sales. So, um I enterain
motion to recess planning. Second. All
in favor? I
I'd like to call the order of claims
committee. We have one item on the
agenda tonight. Um that is a discussion
about the needs to be had in executive
sessions. May motion executive session
motion second. All those in favor I
session. Any members of the public will
have to
read. I don't see any
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