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Good morning, all. I would like to call this meeting to order and welcome everyone. I hope everyone enjoyed their long weekend. Welcome to all members of Council and to staff that will provide us facts and information so we can make decisions in the best sense or the corporation of ACW and all of our residents, permanent and seasonal.

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Also, welcome to all members of the public that are here this morning to each and every one, and also the media that may be joining us.

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Meetings of Council are live streamed on the Township's official website in accordance with a live streaming and virtual participation of meetings of policy.

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Do any members of Council have a generic interest or general nature thereof to indicate at this time of any agenda item that we have today?

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Very none, I thank you for that.

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as the Darrell Mitchell, my resident of Colburn, and I'd like to speak to 9-1, the property

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standards by agricultural zone exemption.

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I don't believe that this has anything to do with agriculture.

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Our agricultural community is honored by the tremendous land.

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We have the tremendous people we have working in this community.

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But I do believe that the exemption is used by people who are non-agriculturalists at times,

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So that they can use to use is that are not agricultural and purpose or do things that are not good for the community as a whole.

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And I'm going to say a couple of examples and other municipalities are other areas in the world where this is happened.

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And I think it's incumbent on this this council to have control of what's happening in the community.

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That's your job. That's either the husbandry people that are supposed to look after this community.

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The first one I'm going to talk about was about two years ago,

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was November 2023 in Caledin, where there was a gunfight.

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And there was one person killed, two people were injured.

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When the OPP did their investigation, it was at an illegal trucking site.

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And at that time, they found all kinds of different things in the site itself.

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Everything from stored vehicles that were stolen to waste that was stored there illegally.

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and should not have happened.

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Caled in itself.

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I've got the article I'll be giving it to the clerk afterwards.

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Caled in itself has 300 sites across the town of Caled in.

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The college town, but it's like our municipality.

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And they have 300 sites that they're concerned about,

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where they say they're illegal trucking sites,

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but they're illegal use sites.

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There's been everything from toxic waste buried,

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asphalt, concrete buried,

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without any permissions from the township. They have a buy-law, an illegal dumping,

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and have stated in Caledon, Ontario, illegal dumping is concerned with both municipal and

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provincial laws prohibiting unauthorized waste disposal. But if we have an exemption of

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agriculture properties, how do you know? How do you know what the use is? And so in their case,

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they have an article. And again, you can find this online. I would be given to the clerk addressing

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illegal trucking and they're deciding everything from the storage of stolen goods to toxic

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waste.

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I have an article that the Michigan State had done regarding the poisoning for profit,

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the mafia and toxic waste in America.

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Do you know that the most lucrative thing that the mafia does is store and get rid of toxic

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waste?

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It's not prostitution, it's not gambling, it's not selling guns, it's not drugs, they get rid of more toxic waste than any other of their profitable items.

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It's inherent there.

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I'd also like to cite mid-Cath Township's Strath Royal area where they've had problems with an agricultural business, setting one of their farms up to store waste from the cities, human waste, piles and piles and piles of human waste, and there's another article here with through CTV, the fellow, I know this fellow very well, these are the farmer, the cattle farmer in the area, and they're fighting it.

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You know, it went to the OMB and they allowed this operation to happen.

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But they've got piles that are bigger than your silo piles.

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They've got piles of toxic human waste that's there.

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The problem is, it's used as a fertilizer.

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Wonderful.

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I'm on agronomist at one point in my life.

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I'm a realtor now and you can use it as waste.

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But if you put too much of it on, it will damage the soil and it will contaminate possibly

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water.

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In this case, they're putting it on one farm, putting it on other farm, selling it to other people, to put it on their farm.

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And that may be fine as you use for fertilizer.

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But what's it doing to that land?

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And the local neighbors are trying to stop that from happening.

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Unfortunately, they tried to do that.

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It's okay, you can do this.

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As stewards of our land, you need to protect it.

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You need to make sure that illegal uses are not happening.

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And if you don't have this by-law opened up, you won't be able to do that.

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I support you as whatever decision you make.

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But I think this is an opportune time to make sure that those areas that are doing things that are wrong are known and are sometimes controlled or licensed or corrected.

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We're not talking about people who run a machine shot or that may have other reasonable business.

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We're talking about people who are doing illegal things and they're not farmers.

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The farmers are wonderful people and deserve to be protected.

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Thank you for the time and I look forward to your decision.

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Thank you very much.

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Thank you very much for your comments.

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And I should have said that they would set that the time frame is five minutes for any comments.

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And at four minutes, 30 seconds, the timer will go off just to indicate there's 30 seconds left.

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So welcome and we look forward to your first and last name and your agenda item, please.

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Good morning, Mayor council and staff. My name is Karen Demerling. My husband and I on a property at 827-2500

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Road. I'd like to speak to regarding a gender item 9.1 property standards by law agriculture's own exemption. I'd like to support the

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recommendation to remove the agricultural exemption from part five of the property standards by law.

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By ensuring all properties required to maintain a similar level of property standards

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the by-laws to investigate and enforce complaints and infractions are easier to navigate.

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Perhaps there are minimal reporting recorded for complaints on agricultural zone properties

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as there's no standards to enforce. Follow-up and recording are a mood point if there's nothing

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to enforce with. Having a uniform property standards by-law for all zoning,

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Would give the by-law enforcement department the ease of not trying to determine zoning and minimize discussions with regards to infections of the by-law.

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More and more agricultural properties are being purchased, not with the intent to farm, but the intent to have a large property.

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outsource cropping of a few fields to gain agricultural tax reduction and using the remaining

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acreage to operate a home business for recreational use and storage.

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Having a property standard by law that encompasses all zoning in Ashford, Ashfield,

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Coburn, Wavarnosh, will help to control the misuse of the zoning in the circumstance.

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At someone who grew up in a farm, I'm well aware that farms need a lot of space for stuff.

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I seldom see farms and other agricultural properties that do not show pride of ownership,

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unless there's extenduating circumstances or the farm is not owner-occupied.

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By having the bylaw in place, the standards can be encouraged and enforced easier.

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aesthetically and environmentally. Having part five of the property standards by law

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enforceable on agriculture's own properties will be a benefit to ACW residents and guests.

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Thank you.

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Thank you very much for your comments. Is there anyone else from the public that would like to make any comments at this time as far as any agenda?

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I'm Lori McKim-Lang and I'm at 8.5211 McKenzie Camp Road.

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I'm here with the President of the Cottage Association at Cantele Beach.

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I don't have a prepared speech, but I was sent by someone else by my Cottage Association.

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But we are here for us to support the bylaw of property standards.

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Thank you for that.

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Is there anyone else who would like to make any comments at this time regarding any agenda item from the public?

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Seeing none, I thank you very much for your comments.

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We'll now move on to five under delegations and public meetings.

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And I would like to welcome Representative from the Hunter's Beach Residential Community to address council at this time.

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Please indicate your first last name for council if you would.

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And you have up to 10 minutes, sir, and it will the timer again will go off at 9 minutes, 30 seconds.

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Thank you.

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I'm just starting a broadcast, Mr. Mayor.

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You don't have to call me, sir.

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It works.

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Magic Touch.

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Thank you, Mr. Mayor, for letting us come and address you today.

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My name is George Stark.

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I have been a resident in the summertime of ACW for about 25 years at 82717 Grace Root

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set down the hill from care and the good looking group of people behind you are all neighbors

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that under speech.

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Some of whom have been there for over 60 years, I'll let you decide which one of them have

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been there for 60 years.

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some actually longer.

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Some of you know that we have a very long standing issue

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with the access to our properties.

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We have a community which is on the lake.

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We have one road that goes to it.

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And one of the reasons that all of us

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who are from many places want to own property

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in ACW is because of the pattern

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that it exists on the land.

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It's a beautiful farming community.

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So one of the things we really like.

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It has a nested set of hamlets inside that,

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which are equally wonderful.

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And then a very unique set of communities

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that trace the shoreline that actually aren't connected

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to each other.

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They are all independent.

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They have like an embiblical chord that goes back

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to Highway 21.

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And, you know, the effect of that is interesting, because on the land side, there's

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redundancy.

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It's linear, they're going to go great.

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If you can't go one way and go another way, if you want to go around, you can go around.

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The shoreline is totally different.

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The roads come down from highway 21 to the communities, and the communities are not connected

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to each other.

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So it is like a series of cul-de-sax, it's, I guess it's part of the joy of them, but it's

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Also, one of the things that should access

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become interrupted or interrupted for a protected period of time,

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it does become highly problematic.

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And, of course, on the other side, we can't get there,

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because we have this big-body water.

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So, here's our community.

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They're all very similar.

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You can see the yellow line,

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it's a bit of a call between 21 and the community.

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When they get to essentially the lake bank,

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they morph into really odd idiosyncratic road systems that people 50, 60 years ago

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carved into the lake bank. Most of the roads from 21 go through farmer's fields. So this is ours,

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Hunter's Beach. This is the condition of our road, as it stands out, which is privately owned.

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That's what it looks like, of course, when it hits the lake bank. The farming stops,

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the Lake Bank Vegetation takes over. There's a lot of great change. You go down.

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similar. Here on SAM's road is very difficult as well. This one's paved. Runs through the

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farms goes back. It becomes a set of private roads when it actually gets to the Lake Bank, or

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Maple Cedar Grove Road, almost identical, a Biblical highway 21 going into a community. The infrastructure

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that's required to feed these communities is deadly simple. You can't get more simple than that.

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It's a right-of-way, two-virges, and gravel. I listen to one of your council meetings where Thomas

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was explaining about gravel on the roads. It was absolutely fascinating.

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It was fascinating.

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It calms me a little bit. Talking about the percentage of silt and gravel, we don't have any gravel.

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we just have silt. That's the result of having absolutely no maintenance done on our road for about six years because it is prohibited.

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We also share the road with a very large industrial complex. It has an agricultural zoning which is modified.

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So there are no property standards applied to it. It's allowed to be whatever it wants to be. This is a picture that probably isn't completely accurate, but you could see from the top that our road has to feed through that.

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And on many occasions, the operation is both on the road and both sides of the road simultaneously requiring us to drive through and around in order to get to our properties.

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So, for a good 30 years, our late to Highway 21, unlike the others that are public, have become

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unappropriate, it's out of alignment with the use and the function.

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There was a draft plan of subdivision done in 1954.

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Essentially, because the farmer was selling the lots that needed a way for people to get

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to them.

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So, the draft plan was created to allow us to get to our lots.

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It was never the intention that that road system would be restricted, stop from being maintained

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or blocked, in order for us to get to our properties that would make any sense.

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The road system was created to let us get there.

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We're here today as a group because this is having the effect of destabilizing our community,

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our security, financially, and functionally.

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We are at a point now where we're really at the last part of what we could possibly think of to do.

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We've given you a written brief.

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I know you're not going to make a decision today, but we have a brief.

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We've given you a figure consideration.

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It's based around 7 themes and 25 explicit reasons with a basis for an exploration.

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I'm not going to go through them all in detail because they're in the brief.

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and I'll let you read those.

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But life safety and security is a real issue.

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If there's a defined time for access down the road

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for life safety, we won't meet it

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because you can't drive down our road

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on most times, more than five or 10 miles an hour.

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That becomes a real difficulty

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because there are people living in our community

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who do require access to those facilities, they're not well.

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and they have to have those facilities.

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The road from time to time is blocked.

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The bigger problem is that service vehicles to service our community will no longer come down the road.

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Service our septic systems, contractors, meals and wheels, which one of the clients requires will no longer

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come to the road. This is an incredibly destabilizing effect. As I said, the original intention of the

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access road was to provide access to the lots that the farmer sold at the time down on the

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shoreline.

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This this leaving it in private hands we would consider fundamentally a mistake

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in 1954. You wouldn't allow it today. It was a mistake to do with them and it has allowed

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essentially one owner to stipulate how the access is used to 30 in excess of 30 tax-paying

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properties and that's just not a system that can be continued. The right of way was originally

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for a farm and recreational properties. Today it's used by large tractor trailers, trucks heavy machinery.

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Maine, this is not allowed.

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Thomas, it isn't that we're not doing maintenance or we're doing it improperly, it is

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disallowed by the owner.

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And for the last six years there have been no maintenance applied to that road.

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This is the same as other communities along the shoreline, which have a regular pattern as

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capital is available to bring them up to a standard to get to the properties.

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So, primarily owned access roads to communities, don't match your policy today, they haven't

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for years. If you look at your official plan, your zoning monologue, any lot is required

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to be on a public road. You can't make a new one unless you have a public road. And the reason

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for that is completely obvious, it avoids the entire situation we've been living through

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for the past 30 years or as some people here in the crowd would say longer than 30 years.

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There are future development parcels in the official plan, which we fully support.

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To have additional people join the community.

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You have to have a public road in order to gain those lots in the zoning for it.

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So you had a long standing policy essentially prohibiting the kind of access system that we have going to our properties.

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So, you know, we've also wondered if Market Road is a common situation being here.

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Are we coming in front of you and saying, here's not one problem, but 15 problems.

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And I think we've discovered it's anomaly.

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The application of policy required public roads for many new subdivisions, but also even

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back when ours was created, they were public.

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They were not private.

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And so, you know, there's the list that are public, there's the app which comes from your documentation.

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We're almost the only one, sorry, not me this time.

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We're almost the only one that is in this situation that is a kind of special condition where someone owns all of the land.

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And so we don't think it's a anomaly that we don't think it's a common situation.

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It's an anomaly and frankly we think it's an error and it's it's time to fix that error

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This our resignation communities becoming unstable

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People are choosing not to come

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People are trying to sell their properties to get out because they can't deal with it any more and

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This was doing an interesting thing. I apologize that your time has expired. No. I'm just going to ask council

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So with Council's permission, we can extend the time specifically if we would like to hear

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any more, or it's concluded, what is the will of Council?

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Council remote bird, please.

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I'd like to continue, maybe not for another ten minutes, you're going to grant job minutes

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would you?

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Yeah, do I need to make a motion, or what do I need to do?

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No, just maybe up to five minutes.

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Sure.

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Is that okay?

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Is Council in support of this, and I would ask for sure of hands.

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Okay, you have up to five minutes.

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Yes, thank you.

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Thank you.

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Thank you.

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Thank you.

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I appreciate it.

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Florence warned me I'm a man of too many words.

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You were nice about, but this is usually at my time, so stop.

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It has a negative effect on our land values.

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Our prices are going down.

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Our market ability is very hard.

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You can't get agents to list our properties when the new rules for disclosure come forward and you explain the whole situation with access.

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the buyer's walk away. It's a tainted access system at impact. It's having an impact

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of dropping the property values, which you'll see in your taxation, because our values

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are like others along the shoreline are going down.

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The appropriate role of public infrastructure

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and community type in the official plan, you have a spectrum of agriculture, villages,

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and communities along the shoreline. To protect the communities along the shoreline, they

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have to be connected to high-wage 21 with public infrastructure.

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If they aren't, they'll go through the spiral of failure

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that we're having in our long-standing community.

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Honestly,

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everything's failed.

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Since 1993, we've been attempting to perfect the situation.

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We've not gotten up the hill one inch.

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And so all situations to try and perfect this

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have failed. We're kind of at our last effort. And so we would request that council not directly

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make a decision for this because we understand it's not a easy decision to make but if you

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could instruct staff to begin a process to scope and then undertake the exploration and 2025

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to understand what it would mean, we would really appreciate it. We have one outstanding concern and

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And that is that we've had two fires in the community that have totally destroyed buildings

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to the point that they're gone.

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We've had one property completely vandalized to the point that it's unoccupiable.

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And we have people who have life safety needs and we need to have the road established and

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designate it as a fire route and a life safety route and be maintained in a situation at the

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point up to we get exploration that can allow us to live there safely.

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Thank you.

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Thank you very much, Chef, for your comments.

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Now, this is not a debate, however, I will open it up to council if you have any questions or comments for clarification, please.

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Council, Milton Bird first.

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I don't have any comments beyond great pictures, great presentation.

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My question is, can we have a staff report come back on this?

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And I'm going to assume it may well need to be in-camera.

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Okay, thank you.

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Absolutely, we can't if that is the will of council and I will ask for show of hands if council is in support of directing staff for a staff report on this

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And that is the will of council. Thank you any further comments from council

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If not, thank you very much for your presentation to us today. Thank you

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Well now move on to a treasury and the payment of the current accounts and I will entertain a mover and a seconder

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to authorize the payment of the May 25, 2025 accounts as presented.

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And that is Councilor Forster and Milton Berg, are there any questions on these accounts?

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Councilor Deputy Mayor of Amsterdam, please.

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Thank you, Mr. Mayor.

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On page three, Councilor Serving Equipment, what is that for us or is that for the people

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who are doing this up to?

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Okay, thank you for the question and I will defer to staff CAO. Do you have a comment this?

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Sorry Bill, will this the vendor's name?

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Yes. Cancel survey equipment.

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Thank you.

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It's on page 3.

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Okay, yes, so that's for the survey of a property that we have in our litigation.

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No, no, no.

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Okay, go ahead Tom.

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I will defer to our CBO, please join.

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The Cancel Survey Equipment is GPS that is used for the

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Colson Program as well

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Then this is this we own this and it's not for the serve the people who are doing it for us

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That's about what's my question more or less

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We own this. Okay. Thank you very much

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Thank you any further questions or comments

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If not we have a motion moved and seconded all in favor of the motion and

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That is carried. Thank you

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Six two is the payment of the previous months accounts and I would entertain a mover and a seconder for this please

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Councillor Miltonberg, Deputy Mayor Van Stone, that Ashfield, Colburn, Walman, and Ash Council here by approves the payment of the April 2025 accounts in the amount of

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923,194 dollars and 55 cents. Do we have any questions on any of these numbers?

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If not all on favor the motion and again that is carry. Thank you.

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Sixth year is the summary revenue slash expenditure reports for the count to chip the luck-none district medical center luck-none and district recreation from January to April 2025

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But entertain a mover and a seconder for these please Councillor Hickey and Councillor Miltonburg any questions on these numbers

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If not all in favor of the motion and then again is carried. Thank you

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six four is the community grants policy amendment is coming back to council for further

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consideration do we have any questions or comments on this and I will go first to council

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or Miltonburg please. Yeah I would say excuse me it appears to echo exactly what we said so I'm

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happy to move it. The other comment I would make is since we do this is a work in progress I'm wondering

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if we could just have it come forward next year organically rather than us going oh we didn't

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get it right if staff notices or whatever say you know maybe we need to do something a little

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different until we're sure we have it right because we've looked at it three years in a row now

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and said that's not right is it so those are my comments but I'm happy with we've caught it so far.

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Okay so your sentiment is that you'd like it to come forward or next year again just for review

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if there's any adjustments. Okay? Any other questions or comments? Councilor Hickey, please.

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Thank you. Clarification for staff. We've dropped the maximum from 5,000 to 2,500

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request, but then they can also ask for 2,000 in-kind services. So could one organization still get both

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the in-kind plus the donation to equal 4,500, or are they restricted to either or in the request?

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Thank you for the question, and I will defer to staff for clarification on that, please, if you would, treasure McPenus.

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I think the way that the policy is written is that 2,500 is for direct financial contribution, which could be in addition to 2,000 dollars in kind.

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That's my interpretation, but again, if it is the will of council to be otherwise, we can add a note or clarification on that.

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Okay, Councillor Haki, please thank you for that. Sorry. That's how I read it. I just so that would equal 40 up to 4,500 or 4 in our organization that asked for it

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be essentially right. So I would just clarifying that that that was the it was the way it was supposed to be read. Thank you

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Thank you for that Councillor Milton, please. Yeah, and I agree that's how it should be written. And I don't I don't envision that we're going to give them 2,500 plus 2,009 vision will give them 2,500 plus dump fees or something like that, right?

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like, and I think that's how it should be interpreted. So thank you.

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Thank you for that. Any further questions or comments on this? So the sentiment is

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directing staff to bring that back next year for review if there's consideration for that.

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And I'm going to ask for a show of hands if we are in support of this and we will consider it.

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We have nothing under planning today under building department. The CDO's report is for information purposes. Do we have any questions or comments on this report? Very similar last year.

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E2 is the community on site inspection program missed inspections, we do have we will deal with this is there any questions or comments on this it is the recommendation for option A

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Do counts all of any questions or comments on this and I will go first to Councillor Snowblum please.

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Yes, thank you

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I had some time to review this and look at this and I think that you're building this

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official for bringing this sunflower word and the cart for sort of filling that loophole

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that we discovered on the penalty part of that bylaw.

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I think that option A in my personal opinion feels a little bit too lenient.

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I feel that it's a bit of a multi-step, and I'm not sure entirely, although I have no way of sort of verifying that that it's as cost-effective as what the option A allows or shows it to be.

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I feel option B is quite strict, but it can be modified and maybe we can modify the timeline,

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modify the annual fee and make it more palatable to our residents across the township.

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I feel that option A being too lenient leaves a bit of a crack in the door.

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And I'd rather, when I look at bylaws, I'd rather than particularly in this instance,

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I'd rather that they'd be a little bit more on the strict side with the ability of staff to,

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you know, work with residents, as opposed to having it lenient, and then trying to keep enforcing it with layers of

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layers of different ways of people being able to get around it.

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I think that we've had a soft opening on the septic inspection.

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And as we've discussed at short-term rentals,

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we appreciate a soft opening.

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It kind of gives our residents a chance to sort of buy in.

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Everybody gets a chance to get their toes wet.

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And I think we've had a good chance for the soft opening, but I think what we found with

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the soft opening was there was a fairly big loophole when it comes to the penalty part

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of not complying with the septic inspection program.

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And in instituting the septic inspection program was a long process.

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it required a lot of consultation. It wasn't cheap to implement it. And I think that staying

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on the stricter side will have a greater cost recovery than being on the lenient side.

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I'm hope if we do have if Council decides to do a more strict option that we leave it with

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staff under exceptional circumstances where warranted to work with residents under exceptional

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circumstances and it's up to staff to decide when those exceptional circumstances occurred.

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I guess I would like to see personally something between A and B. Something that looks like

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And set of 90 days go to 30 days or a 40 days instead of an annual annual fee for properties.

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Maybe it's a buy annual fee.

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Anyway, that's my feeling on it.

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I know that there's a property in mind that has that kind of highlighted where this loophole existed.

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And that's where I'm coming from that with this.

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I don't say that this happens all the time,

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but I think as long as people respect the by-law,

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there won't be any problem, but it's people

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that will continue to take advantage of Council.

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And I think with the delegation that came forward,

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just a few moments ago, we can see where a Council,

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maybe it was a little too lenient or didn't come down hard

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enough. And after a few years, 30 years, I guess, it's morphed into something that has

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become almost a herculean task to fix now. And I wouldn't want to be a counselor that

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contributed to having a by-law that ends up getting abused and misused somewhere down the

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the line. But that's my feelings. I'd be open to hearing other people's opinion on this. Thank you.

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Thank you for your comments. Councilor Snowman, before I go to staff on this,

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do you have a sentiment as far as you you commented about modifying the time frame in the amount? Do

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you have a sentiment on what you would like to see? Please. Well, if it's to start with, I guess for

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discussion. I would like to see that unpaid end voices. Let me say here. We should change it from

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a 90 days to a 30 days.

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I'm trying to read my own writing on here.

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I think that if a

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missed our canceled inspection fee, it says in here to revise the title of the fee to

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or canceled instruction fee to include appointments canceled without rescheduling.

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There should be a fee if that rescheduling appointment now gets canceled or rescheduled.

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So every time there's a rescheduling and it doesn't occur, another fee should be added on that.

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The $1,200 annual fee for properties that do not complete an inspection within the calendar year.

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I think it should be, we can still keep it at $1,200, but $600 that's six months,

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another $600 at another six months so it accumulates.

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So it hopefully gets people to act fast within the six months rather than the full year.

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Okay, thank you for that. I'm going to go to our clerk at this point in time, please.

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So just, we've spent, join, I spent a bit of time working at this together. So the problem

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that we have with doing something less than an annual is that the inspection programs themselves

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only happen between June and September. So if we're trying to find the balance, you know,

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you're scheduled to be in September, and you ignore the request, you know, within, you know,

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within a certain timeframe, it becomes difficult to, again, I think we need to highlight

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that this is a tool in the enforcement box that when things become inskextenuating and difficult

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to manage that we have the tool available to issue. So if it becomes very clear that this

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a constant repeat that there is that fee fine in there if need be. So I think setting some

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some tighter parameters around the timing of it, I think can be a little bit problematic in

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terms of the practicality of it, like the logistics on the boots in the ground. And the

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application of it. Yes. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Okay. And I actually do you have a follow-up comment

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I would like to hear about my colleagues might have to say on this.

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Okay, perfect. Thank you. And actually I will make a comment that I share your sentiment

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that we don't have many that are a problem over the ones that I need to dealt with.

431
00:38:50,090 --> 00:38:51,770
So I'm going to go to now to council member.

432
00:38:52,470 --> 00:38:53,810
Yeah, first of all.

433
00:38:55,270 --> 00:38:56,810
I don't know what that is this morning.

434
00:38:59,590 --> 00:39:06,170
Great, great job, counselor-smobile and of putting in towards far more eloquently than

435
00:39:06,170 --> 00:39:15,250
I was uneasy with this but I was unclear why and most of your comments I 100% agree with.

436
00:39:15,530 --> 00:39:20,490
I think that we've gone in with the soft cell, we are trying to get people to comply,

437
00:39:20,670 --> 00:39:24,470
the people who are not going to comply are probably the ones who aren't planning on

438
00:39:24,470 --> 00:39:30,870
complying. So I would in my mind option A is where we would maybe want the

439
00:39:30,870 --> 00:39:37,550
bylaw to end up with and option B is the structure we want to make people take

440
00:39:37,550 --> 00:39:44,370
the bylaw seriously. I'm less interested in the nuts and bolts of days or

441
00:39:45,290 --> 00:39:50,810
cost recovery or because with any new program I mean let's let's talk about the

442
00:39:50,810 --> 00:39:56,670
bump in the, let's not, but something that's supposed to be revenue neutral often takes

443
00:39:56,670 --> 00:39:57,730
a while to get there.

444
00:39:57,730 --> 00:40:01,570
And I'm far less interested in cost recovery right now than I am with compliance.

445
00:40:02,310 --> 00:40:08,110
And I think that the, no, you need to take this seriously is a good approach.

446
00:40:09,010 --> 00:40:13,590
And once we've gone through the township, and everyone has been told, you need to take this

447
00:40:13,590 --> 00:40:21,510
seriously, then maybe back off. And as opposed to, although I'm open to, let's say we do,

448
00:40:21,630 --> 00:40:26,850
which is almost draconian, but I'm okay with that, in the sense, the $1,200 annual fee.

449
00:40:28,350 --> 00:40:35,610
I'm quite happy with an appeal process, whether you say the staff makes it, or, I mean, if

450
00:40:35,610 --> 00:40:40,510
there was genuinely, hey, I didn't get it, or something really happened in my personal life, I wasn't

451
00:40:40,510 --> 00:40:46,470
to do this, you know, that there is a structure to bring it down or make it disappear completely.

452
00:40:47,150 --> 00:40:53,590
If the reason the meeting was missed was genuine or or something, like things happen, life happens.

453
00:40:54,250 --> 00:40:59,290
If it's because they're just not answering and they're not continuing to answer, then that's another thing.

454
00:40:59,830 --> 00:41:06,990
So I personally would like option B, I'm happy with however staff thinks that that's the best way to deliver it.

455
00:41:06,990 --> 00:41:14,930
I think in the long run, it's probably too strict, but for the next three years until everybody gets their first notice and realizes,

456
00:41:14,930 --> 00:41:19,870
no, you have to pay attention or there are consequences that that is the better route to go.

457
00:41:20,690 --> 00:41:26,390
And the tools for enforcement, like Florence, I think you explained it very well and I agree with that.

458
00:41:26,390 --> 00:41:30,390
That's why I'm not really too concerned about how you're going to do it.

459
00:41:30,390 --> 00:41:36,210
think the intent should be that we make them take it seriously. So repeat offenders are treated

460
00:41:36,690 --> 00:41:41,750
that way. And then once everybody has has a full understanding of the program, which is not

461
00:41:41,750 --> 00:41:48,930
there yet, we put a more okay now going forward. This is how we're going to do it. Those are my

462
00:41:48,930 --> 00:41:56,450
comments. Okay, thank you for that. Deputy Mayor Randstone, please. Thank you, Mr. Mayor. Yeah, I agree. There

463
00:41:56,450 --> 00:42:05,150
to be a $1200 set because people will, if we go back to the gravel, if you're only going

464
00:42:05,150 --> 00:42:09,090
to pay $200 a year, why will I fix it? I just pay the $200, it's cheaper than fixing

465
00:42:09,090 --> 00:42:16,730
it. But I'm hoping, and I'm not hoping, I want to see it happen, is that after September,

466
00:42:17,190 --> 00:42:24,930
say first of October, we revisit this and look at it really seriously, and that way we can

467
00:42:24,930 --> 00:42:31,530
down some really hard and fast figures. So I'm asking the staff to bring this back on in the first

468
00:42:31,530 --> 00:42:36,770
meeting of October. If that's okay with everybody. Thank you. Thank you for that. I'm going to

469
00:42:36,770 --> 00:42:42,170
make a comment before I go to staff and that's the fact I concur with option B. As I indicated,

470
00:42:42,390 --> 00:42:47,810
we don't have many that are that would fall under this category. However, there needs to be something

471
00:42:47,810 --> 00:42:58,530
done with those that do. Joy, do you have any comments I know on Option B if Council would

472
00:42:58,530 --> 00:43:03,310
decide to go with that? Any concerns from an application standpoint, please?

473
00:43:07,450 --> 00:43:18,130
So, as I said that in the report, it is a huge way of looking at it going with the $1,200

474
00:43:18,130 --> 00:43:23,550
charge at if they miss their inspection for the entire year and do not

475
00:43:23,550 --> 00:43:24,270
communicate.

476
00:43:26,590 --> 00:43:29,290
And it is very,

477
00:43:31,470 --> 00:43:36,610
oh I think this, it's a lot of money for anyone who

478
00:43:36,610 --> 00:43:38,630
has missed it by mistake.

479
00:43:43,940 --> 00:43:46,400
$200 is more reasonable for most of our

480
00:43:46,400 --> 00:43:52,040
residents. The ones who will not listen, I don't know if $1,200 will even

481
00:43:53,380 --> 00:43:58,040
Okay, thank you for that and I'm going to ask a secondary question, there's a sentiment that this

482
00:43:58,040 --> 00:44:07,140
come back to Council for reconsider reconsideration at a point in time. What is the time frame that you would suggest that from your knowledge of

483
00:44:07,140 --> 00:44:15,040
the application that this would come back to Council for reconsideration? When would you have some information, you know,

484
00:44:15,040 --> 00:44:20,120
the would enable us to to make a further consideration.

485
00:44:21,860 --> 00:44:26,300
Typically statistical numbers will be available closer to December than in October.

486
00:44:28,560 --> 00:44:30,520
Yeah. Yeah. Okay. Thank you for that.

487
00:44:30,620 --> 00:44:32,400
Part, do you have a comment? Please this time.

488
00:44:33,000 --> 00:44:35,980
Just a point of clarification on the Provincial Offences Act.

489
00:44:36,080 --> 00:44:40,920
The line item in the bylaw ensures that the entire bylaw is enforceable under the law.

490
00:44:40,920 --> 00:44:48,000
So it ensures that if there is even despite the missed inspection fee, that is included in the consolidated fee by law,

491
00:44:48,400 --> 00:44:54,140
if there's any other element inside that by law that is determined by an enforcement officer to be a non-compliance,

492
00:44:54,760 --> 00:44:56,580
we can essentially make application to court.

493
00:44:57,280 --> 00:44:59,740
So that is the purpose of that line item in there.

494
00:45:00,620 --> 00:45:29,020
Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. I support option A. I think it's got everything in there that needs to be the days, the money, the process of how the goal about it. As far as the $1,200 fee, if someone has their heels dug in and they're not going to allow it, they're not going to allow it. And if the $1,200 gets applied, I think it's going to be appealed and the next step after that. So I don't think it's going to be an easy process for the time and the money that's going to take.

495
00:45:29,020 --> 00:45:33,380
So I think Option A has everything in it that needs to be and I'll be supporting that.

496
00:45:33,580 --> 00:45:34,460
Thank you.

497
00:45:34,460 --> 00:45:36,440
Okay, thank you for that.

498
00:45:37,060 --> 00:45:41,040
Any further questions or comments from Council, Council or Milton McLean, please?

499
00:45:43,100 --> 00:45:51,480
Yeah, based on Evans, actually everyone's, but while I actually think item B is the better way to go,

500
00:45:51,640 --> 00:45:58,040
but that's me, I'd be willing to go along with item A, or what is it, not option A.

501
00:45:58,800 --> 00:46:05,980
just because we, so we have something in place right now and then with the staff report in December,

502
00:46:06,220 --> 00:46:12,760
whatever, we can look at it more individualized with statistics and see if we do need to be more,

503
00:46:13,300 --> 00:46:17,560
more, keep saying you're calling it. It's not your calling, but it's not good either.

504
00:46:17,920 --> 00:46:24,740
More punitive, I guess. I'd be, I'd be willing to spell it, option A, with the understanding that everything

505
00:46:24,740 --> 00:46:34,920
comes back. When Joy has it ready. Okay, Councillor Snowland, please. I'm still more in

506
00:46:34,920 --> 00:46:42,340
favor of a consolidated option A and option B. However, I could live with option A if it

507
00:46:42,340 --> 00:46:51,400
was amended from 90 days to 30 days. And if the second bullet property owners will be

508
00:46:51,400 --> 00:46:59,260
contacted by annually, meaning twice a year until their inspection is completed, rather than annually.

509
00:46:59,560 --> 00:47:20,560
And I know as the clerk pointed out that there's because of the time, excuse me, the timeline of what was in the

510
00:47:20,560 --> 00:47:28,300
actual inspections and yeah I'll leave it at that. Okay thank you very much.

511
00:47:28,560 --> 00:47:33,320
Clerk give a comment please in the. Just speaking to the 90 day item I believe

512
00:47:33,320 --> 00:47:39,180
that's an account. You'll have to I'll get more to speak about it. I think I

513
00:47:39,180 --> 00:47:42,800
have rang a bell here. Okay so that's with respect if they don't pay the

514
00:47:42,800 --> 00:47:47,240
invoice to be added to taxes so that'd be similar with that if everything so the

515
00:47:47,240 --> 00:47:51,420
90 days isn't when you do it, it's just added to taxes, if they don't pay the invoice.

516
00:47:53,740 --> 00:47:55,080
Okay, please.

517
00:47:55,760 --> 00:48:00,140
So just to clarify, any invoice that goes out from the township, regardless if it's the

518
00:48:00,140 --> 00:48:04,220
co-sip program, if it's unpaid within 90 days, it gets put to taxes.

519
00:48:04,580 --> 00:48:07,480
So that is, that's just a internal system.

520
00:48:08,260 --> 00:48:13,000
So if the invoice isn't paid, what you're asking for is that if the invoice isn't paid

521
00:48:13,000 --> 00:48:15,240
in 30 days, that it get put to taxes.

522
00:48:15,240 --> 00:48:17,260
And I'm not sure if that can happen.

523
00:48:17,640 --> 00:48:19,560
I'm not, I'm not first and not.

524
00:48:20,100 --> 00:48:21,160
Does that make sense?

525
00:48:21,360 --> 00:48:21,860
Counselors notebook.

526
00:48:22,220 --> 00:48:24,900
That's what I'm asking is that you don't

527
00:48:24,900 --> 00:48:27,360
let go unpaid for 90 days.

528
00:48:28,780 --> 00:48:31,440
I was in business if you didn't pay it within 30 days.

529
00:48:31,640 --> 00:48:33,840
You've got, you know, you've got a phone call.

530
00:48:34,580 --> 00:48:36,940
So I don't know very many businesses that allow

531
00:48:36,940 --> 00:48:40,460
a 90-day window before they even get called

532
00:48:40,460 --> 00:48:42,600
that you're behind on your employees.

533
00:48:42,600 --> 00:48:53,980
So I think 30 days come in and I think that's a way to tighten it up, whether it goes on the tax bill at what point, but you've got a bill now at 30 days.

534
00:48:54,520 --> 00:48:56,060
That's what I'm getting at.

535
00:48:57,780 --> 00:49:10,820
And the one last point that I forgot, if it's pointing option A, I would, I would live with it as Council and Milton Berg said to have it come back in October that we can tighten it up.

536
00:49:11,560 --> 00:49:14,880
just to have something for now would be good.

537
00:49:15,640 --> 00:49:20,660
Okay, I'm going to defer to our CEO as far as the time frame, just for clarification, please.

538
00:49:21,040 --> 00:49:25,440
Just want to clarify, the invoice goes out if they don't pay within 30 days, there's interest.

539
00:49:25,840 --> 00:49:29,640
And it just will occur until 90 days and then we'll add it to the tax roll.

540
00:49:30,300 --> 00:49:33,880
So they are getting the penalty interest added.

541
00:49:35,380 --> 00:49:35,500
Okay.

542
00:49:36,360 --> 00:49:38,860
So, it counts there's no benefit.

543
00:49:39,680 --> 00:49:43,720
But to follow through on that, that's not what the bullet says, right?

544
00:49:43,920 --> 00:49:48,380
It says unpaid invoices are transferred to the tax roll after 90 days.

545
00:49:48,580 --> 00:49:53,980
There's nothing else that explains that it's past due at 30 days, and that interest

546
00:49:53,980 --> 00:49:54,580
occurs.

547
00:49:55,280 --> 00:49:59,200
And there's nothing in that bullet that explains that.

548
00:49:59,920 --> 00:50:00,780
Okay, CEO, please?

549
00:50:01,240 --> 00:50:01,780
Okay, good.

550
00:50:01,780 --> 00:50:02,680
We can make that change.

551
00:50:03,420 --> 00:50:03,640
Okay.

552
00:50:03,640 --> 00:50:10,400
So now, in stages, Deputy Mayor, are you okay if this comes back and I will suggest December

553
00:50:10,980 --> 00:50:14,560
when there's statistical information for reconsideration of council?

554
00:50:15,840 --> 00:50:20,700
Yeah, and I look to Joy, if that's when all the information is there, as long as it comes back,

555
00:50:20,840 --> 00:50:27,220
that's my biggest concern is that we look at this and if we need to be more aggressive at that point in time, then we will be.

556
00:50:27,440 --> 00:50:30,300
And if it's flowing very well, then that's great.

557
00:50:30,300 --> 00:50:36,340
So, but I really want it to come back so we can look at it again and if Joyce, 100% sure,

558
00:50:36,700 --> 00:50:38,260
December is in months, that's the month.

559
00:50:38,820 --> 00:50:45,600
Okay, so the sentiment of council, I will suggest, is that to direct staff to bring this back to us in December,

560
00:50:46,140 --> 00:50:47,880
when we have some statistical information.

561
00:50:48,280 --> 00:50:48,820
Councillor Miller.

562
00:50:49,780 --> 00:50:50,600
Kind of.

563
00:50:50,780 --> 00:50:55,680
My sentiment is we go with option A and then bring it back in December.

564
00:50:56,620 --> 00:51:01,820
As to the 30-day thing, speaking as someone who may or may have not missed

565
00:51:01,820 --> 00:51:06,900
township payments and they the next day slap on one and a half percent and I've just

566
00:51:06,900 --> 00:51:10,800
set it up electronically so that doesn't happen again. It's quite a punishment to miss

567
00:51:10,800 --> 00:51:15,600
that 30-day mark and I'd be horrified if it went on my taxes because that would just mean

568
00:51:15,600 --> 00:51:24,620
that was a terrible bookkeeper. So I'm okay with that 30 days and if it needs to be

569
00:51:24,620 --> 00:51:33,720
or anchor it. That's fine. I do agree with Anita about whether we say you have to get

570
00:51:33,720 --> 00:51:38,960
it inspected in 60s, 30 days or within the year or by annual year or whatever. I think

571
00:51:38,960 --> 00:51:45,180
they do need to be notified by annually that you just remind or you have missed this has happened

572
00:51:45,180 --> 00:51:52,820
and this will happen like communication, right? But I and I also agree with Bill that we'd like

573
00:51:52,820 --> 00:51:58,020
to come back. So my suggestion is we go with option A for now and we bring it back in December

574
00:51:58,020 --> 00:52:03,240
or whenever Joy has all the data compiled so we can look and see if we made the right decision.

575
00:52:05,180 --> 00:52:08,100
Would you like to make that a motion? Councilor Milner.

576
00:52:08,300 --> 00:52:09,520
If it doesn't need to be a motion?

577
00:52:09,740 --> 00:52:16,400
No, I think we can just go with the show of hands if we are in support. Oh, absolutely.

578
00:52:17,160 --> 00:52:18,180
Councilor Voster, please.

579
00:52:18,180 --> 00:52:22,520
Thanks, Glenn. So the door knocker you leave has all this information on it.

580
00:52:22,520 --> 00:52:31,620
you just have to call or how does that all go down. Thank you, a joy please. I can get a copy

581
00:52:31,620 --> 00:52:36,740
of the door knocker for you, proves after meeting. However, it just says that a missed inspection

582
00:52:36,740 --> 00:52:39,300
fee may apply if you don't call and reschedule.

583
00:52:42,590 --> 00:52:44,430
Okay, thank you for that, Councillor Snowblum, please.

584
00:52:45,010 --> 00:52:51,030
Speaking of the door knocker, I would be incredibly interested to see what the success of the

585
00:52:51,030 --> 00:52:57,470
or knocker is from the point of view that we know the worst one in this subject

586
00:52:57,470 --> 00:53:01,990
inspection. We know which property that is and I don't think that the owners

587
00:53:01,990 --> 00:53:08,850
are there very often. So I question them if it's STRs, certain rentals, that

588
00:53:08,850 --> 00:53:14,990
are possibly being non-compliant, how often is the owner of the property getting the

589
00:53:14,990 --> 00:53:29,830
is it more advisable, successful, to reach out through email, phone, other modes of communication as opposed to a door knocker and or both?

590
00:53:31,310 --> 00:53:39,510
And maybe that's something we should think about for option A because a door knocker on a short-term rental where the owner is rarely there.

591
00:53:40,690 --> 00:53:45,070
I have a feeling that our knockers going in the recycle bin.

592
00:53:46,070 --> 00:53:47,610
Okay, thank you for the sentiment.

593
00:53:48,150 --> 00:53:50,130
Joy, do you have a comment on that piece?

594
00:53:52,070 --> 00:53:53,710
And the terms are short-term rentals.

595
00:53:54,130 --> 00:53:57,890
If they're not being communicative and looking at their door knockers,

596
00:53:58,490 --> 00:54:00,110
they can be contacted by mail.

597
00:54:00,910 --> 00:54:04,930
Note that most of those people that are not going to pick up their door knocker

598
00:54:04,930 --> 00:54:08,130
do not provide an email or phone number of people at our hand.

599
00:54:10,910 --> 00:54:16,970
Okay. Thank you. Councillor Snowblund, please. Well, if I think then if we're making suggestions

600
00:54:16,970 --> 00:54:23,550
about amendments and so on, then with the door knockers, there should be an additional

601
00:54:23,550 --> 00:54:31,950
mode of communication, either e-mail, phone, letter that goes with the door knocker automatically.

602
00:54:33,270 --> 00:54:41,030
just to safeguard the door knocker getting knocked off in a wind storm even, you know, for

603
00:54:41,030 --> 00:54:47,850
people that are owners that are there. Speaking as someone that's done a lot of campaigning

604
00:54:47,850 --> 00:54:54,010
over the last couple of years, door knockers do get blown off, removed somehow.

605
00:54:55,090 --> 00:55:09,430
Okay. Thank you for that. So, I'm going to ask, we have a sentiment of going with option A in this coming back to council for a revisit when there's statistical information in December.

606
00:55:09,430 --> 00:55:14,770
Councilor Snowblendley. I thought I understood Councilor Snowblend or councilor Snowblend?

607
00:55:15,450 --> 00:55:18,630
Councilor Snowblend. Councilor Moor till say option A with some of the suggested

608
00:55:18,630 --> 00:55:26,830
revisions? Like changing it from 90 to 30 day, and for now and then still having it

609
00:55:26,830 --> 00:55:29,250
report from back in December. That was my understanding.

610
00:55:30,270 --> 00:55:35,010
Yeah, I'll ask for clarification on that. Please councilor Moor. So would I think should

611
00:55:35,010 --> 00:55:42,150
happen or what you are referring to as option A or now and if it's necessary to add, I don't

612
00:55:42,150 --> 00:55:48,050
think it should go 30 to 90 days if it's necessary to add the wording that plus interest

613
00:55:48,050 --> 00:55:53,990
will be added to. And I also think that it should be communicated by annually as opposed

614
00:55:53,990 --> 00:56:01,230
to annually. That's what I think should happen. Well, that's up to, I think we've given staff

615
00:56:01,230 --> 00:56:07,130
hear some additional ways that I would call that operational. I don't think we have to tell them that.

616
00:56:07,250 --> 00:56:08,990
Okay, thank you for that clerk, please.

617
00:56:09,150 --> 00:56:12,870
Just to clarify what we're hearing is we want to make sure, and it's in our interest as well,

618
00:56:13,010 --> 00:56:17,770
we want to make sure that everybody knows this is coming. So we're going to make sure that they're

619
00:56:17,770 --> 00:56:23,410
aware, one way or another be at a registered letter, or a letter, like if they're not communicative,

620
00:56:23,650 --> 00:56:29,930
you know, the last thing we want to do is not do do course because that also gives reason not to

621
00:56:29,930 --> 00:56:39,290
Right? Like there's there's justification on the other end of it. So the task would be to ensure that they understand that there are fines and repercussions to what's happening.

622
00:56:40,730 --> 00:56:42,070
So at the understanding of council.

623
00:56:42,990 --> 00:56:48,830
Okay. I am going to ask for a show of hands if we are in support of health remilton births comments.

624
00:56:51,200 --> 00:56:51,320
Post.

625
00:56:52,960 --> 00:56:55,760
And that is supported by council. Thank you.

626
00:56:56,020 --> 00:56:56,600
Staff clear.

627
00:56:57,460 --> 00:57:04,040
good. Okay, thank you. We'll move on to administration department and the property standards

628
00:57:04,040 --> 00:57:11,060
by law. And we will seek direction of council on this. We have heard some comments today

629
00:57:11,060 --> 00:57:15,440
on this. And I will open it up to council for any comments. Peace and the first will be Deputy

630
00:57:15,440 --> 00:57:21,620
Mayor of Aniston. Thank you, Mr. Mayor. I've always wondered why we had the exemption on

631
00:57:21,620 --> 00:57:27,760
your cultural like way back when COVID never had an exemption. So all properties where

632
00:57:28,740 --> 00:57:35,020
looked at under the property standards by law. So I'd be more than willing to take that out of

633
00:57:35,020 --> 00:57:41,300
there if that's the well of council. Thank you. Thank you for that. Councilor Miltonberg, please.

634
00:57:42,220 --> 00:57:47,120
Well, I'm going to disagree with Bill on this one. Good. We're back to back to normal here, Bill.

635
00:57:49,600 --> 00:57:56,340
I think we have had conversations other times, like I think the property standards are not allowed to have your old junky vehicles.

636
00:57:57,040 --> 00:58:05,380
I know currently there are three trucks of the same year in model that are someday going to become one truck, hopefully in 2025 or 26.

637
00:58:06,480 --> 00:58:16,540
And some of us consider them an I so are, but they are behind my shed and not visible from the road, but by property standards, they're actually probably not allowed.

638
00:58:17,840 --> 00:58:22,660
So I think some of that, the burning stuff, there's, and I haven't looked at it closely

639
00:58:22,660 --> 00:58:26,860
because we talked about it many, many times because this comes forward.

640
00:58:27,120 --> 00:58:31,500
So I'm going to speak more to the two individuals that came forward to talk about their

641
00:58:31,500 --> 00:58:31,900
comments.

642
00:58:32,100 --> 00:58:41,020
The first gentleman, it was really impressive what he cited, especially when he, I just wanted

643
00:58:41,020 --> 00:58:41,990
to clarify one thing.

644
00:58:41,990 --> 00:58:48,550
Michigan State is the top agricultural university in Michigan, and it's one of the top 10

645
00:58:48,550 --> 00:58:49,390
in the United States.

646
00:58:49,470 --> 00:58:53,530
So when he said Michigan State did this study, it's because they're an agricultural one.

647
00:58:53,890 --> 00:58:58,350
And that's, there was not a direct bank, but I almost went to Michigan State University

648
00:58:58,350 --> 00:58:58,870
for agriculture.

649
00:58:59,210 --> 00:59:00,330
So I know that.

650
00:59:00,490 --> 00:59:02,850
So that study to me was significant.

651
00:59:03,630 --> 00:59:09,430
And I think what his point was not that there wasn't a need for property standards.

652
00:59:09,430 --> 00:59:17,730
It was more there's a we have to find a mechanism to stop the people using rural properties for illegal uses

653
00:59:17,730 --> 00:59:25,270
Like let's talk about the tire remember that when they burnt tires was a heggers bill or something that was agriculture, right?

654
00:59:25,510 --> 00:59:25,790
So

655
00:59:26,710 --> 00:59:28,920
That is a separate to me

656
00:59:29,270 --> 00:59:33,290
Topic then the actual it's it's

657
00:59:33,290 --> 00:59:37,970
Cository it's not it's collateral it's linked but it's not a reason

658
00:59:38,750 --> 00:59:43,470
And the by-law isn't going to catch that necessarily, I think, because we are a complaint

659
00:59:43,470 --> 00:59:50,290
driven, it's palty, lots of people know things that people are breaking by-laws, but they're

660
00:59:50,290 --> 00:59:54,130
not reporting it, they're not interested in putting their name on documents, which you need

661
00:59:54,130 --> 00:59:59,310
to do, which by the way, I think are protected by hip-hop, but the second speaker.

662
01:00:00,000 --> 01:00:07,120
What's talking about decisions that could be made based on what might happen?

663
01:00:08,100 --> 01:00:13,160
And I don't tend to make my decisions that way. I think it's good to keep tracking them like we did.

664
01:00:13,500 --> 01:00:22,240
But I think two complaints in ACW, which is, you know, the size of Toronto, is not enough to remove the property standards.

665
01:00:22,240 --> 01:00:34,380
It sounds more either like one individual or two like that's that's enough that's not enough data for me to say okay, this warrant's removing this I think we should monitor it.

666
01:00:34,500 --> 01:00:48,580
I think we should look at how to stop illegal uses like I'm really interested in those cases like maybe in the stuff that you gave the clerk they have tools that we could build into our bylaw.

667
01:00:49,540 --> 01:00:55,340
But based on the data that we were given, I don't see any reason to remove the property standards on agriculture.

668
01:00:55,880 --> 01:00:56,680
And those are my comments.

669
01:00:57,340 --> 01:00:58,640
Okay, thank you for that.

670
01:00:59,360 --> 01:01:00,120
We'll make a comment.

671
01:01:00,360 --> 01:01:02,700
And I concur with Deputy Mayor of Anstony.

672
01:01:02,840 --> 01:01:07,400
You've often said everyone should be treated the same in our municipality and I agree with that.

673
01:01:07,400 --> 01:01:15,060
And I think we have maybe some instances where individuals are

674
01:01:15,060 --> 01:01:27,220
the situation because they're under the agricultural umbrella, and I would support treating

675
01:01:27,220 --> 01:01:28,980
everyone the same on this.

676
01:01:29,700 --> 01:01:32,820
So, any further comments from Council on this?

677
01:01:33,780 --> 01:01:35,500
Councillor Milton Burke, please?

678
01:01:37,020 --> 01:01:39,600
I'd like to address your treating everyone the same.

679
01:01:40,660 --> 01:01:45,600
I think if you're seriously thinking of removing this, then we need to look at that actual

680
01:01:45,600 --> 01:01:49,280
bylaw very closely because I know there's burn bands, I know there's things about

681
01:01:49,280 --> 01:01:51,900
old trucks sitting there because we've talked about this before.

682
01:01:53,180 --> 01:01:58,100
If you're going to tell, if you're going to do this without at least taking some public

683
01:01:58,100 --> 01:02:02,620
in front, put from the mass of a amount of people who are going to be affected by this,

684
01:02:03,160 --> 01:02:07,800
I think that's the mistake and what you're talking about is changing a bylaw to catch the

685
01:02:07,800 --> 01:02:34,560
And there's a lot of good farmers that need to burn their brush or, you know, we're talking about, again, the people who are doing it improperly, and it's the same reason we set up a short-term rental committee, we don't want to come up with something that doesn't punish the people who are doing it correctly, but educates and reforms the people who are doing it incorrectly.

686
01:02:35,880 --> 01:02:41,640
And you know, all or nothing is not the approach on anything, and so I am, I am really

687
01:02:41,640 --> 01:02:45,340
against just saying, okay, let's drop it. We don't even know what we're dropping.

688
01:02:46,420 --> 01:02:49,420
Based on two complaints we're saying, okay, let's drop the property standards.

689
01:02:49,960 --> 01:02:54,080
One was the last time anyone here read all the property standards by law.

690
01:02:54,320 --> 01:02:57,260
I read about the last time we had this conversation when she was a year ago.

691
01:02:57,260 --> 01:03:07,220
So if that's the will of council that we think it should be dropped and it should at least be reviewed before we do that.

692
01:03:07,800 --> 01:03:08,680
Okay, thank you for that sentiment.

693
01:03:09,120 --> 01:03:20,120
And I would suggest that it is complaint driven and you're citing of two trucks of the same year.

694
01:03:20,120 --> 01:03:33,820
I, behind a building, I'm not convinced that that is the concern of the public, it's more the abuse of the overall agricultural being exempted from it in some instances.

695
01:03:34,560 --> 01:03:35,280
Deputy Mayor, please.

696
01:03:36,320 --> 01:03:37,260
Yes, thank you, Mr. Mayor.

697
01:03:38,060 --> 01:03:43,940
I'd be more than willing to bring this back and look at it again, because it's very important, like if everybody has their own property.

698
01:03:45,640 --> 01:03:48,760
And one man's junk is another man's treasure.

699
01:03:48,760 --> 01:03:56,520
So, we should look at this, and again, I know it's below, you know, below, but I think it's

700
01:03:56,520 --> 01:04:01,440
important because there should be some restrictions on some of the stuff that goes on

701
01:04:01,440 --> 01:04:07,020
in the farming community, but not to the point where it stops them from, as you say, having

702
01:04:07,020 --> 01:04:12,200
to old tracks behind their shed. That's all fine and dandy. And we don't want somebody that just

703
01:04:12,200 --> 01:04:16,340
drives around the country and says, oh, I don't like him, I'm going to put a report in. So,

704
01:04:16,340 --> 01:04:31,420
But we need to refine this and I would be more than happy to have it come back and let, I don't know, maybe if we had to have a special meeting on or something, but it is important. So I think we should look at it again. Thank you.

705
01:04:33,340 --> 01:04:35,140
Thank you for that CAO.

706
01:04:35,140 --> 01:04:37,240
If you have a note, I'm just sharing with Mike before that.

707
01:04:39,400 --> 01:04:39,720
All right.

708
01:04:39,880 --> 01:04:42,320
So what is the sentiment of council?

709
01:04:42,460 --> 01:04:47,540
Would you like to this to come back to a future meeting for consideration?

710
01:04:47,820 --> 01:04:48,980
Do you want to deal with it today?

711
01:04:49,040 --> 01:04:50,340
What is the sentiment of council?

712
01:04:50,740 --> 01:04:55,180
Councillor Hickey and then for Councillor Hickey and then snowed them, please.

713
01:04:55,560 --> 01:04:56,020
Thank you.

714
01:04:56,200 --> 01:04:59,380
I support the comments about jumping into quickly on this.

715
01:04:59,380 --> 01:05:01,000
I think it's important that we review it.

716
01:05:01,000 --> 01:05:05,020
And we can't punish some just because of a few bad apples in the group.

717
01:05:05,480 --> 01:05:09,360
So I think it should be looked through thoroughly before we agree on anything.

718
01:05:09,560 --> 01:05:10,020
Thank you.

719
01:05:10,140 --> 01:05:10,500
Thank you.

720
01:05:10,760 --> 01:05:11,460
Councillor Snowden, please.

721
01:05:15,380 --> 01:05:20,340
I agree that it should come back too, but I guess I was looking over the background of

722
01:05:20,340 --> 01:05:20,540
it.

723
01:05:20,600 --> 01:05:24,260
Find out why is it here in the first place today, isn't it here today to discuss?

724
01:05:25,940 --> 01:05:30,980
But I thought that was the intention today was to discuss it.

725
01:05:30,980 --> 01:05:37,900
Now we, so staff have brought it to here to discuss and we're saying let's bring it back to discuss is that what we're doing?

726
01:05:39,160 --> 01:05:40,780
It kind of sounds like that to me.

727
01:05:43,660 --> 01:05:46,400
Okay. Okay. Thank you for that sentiment. That'd be a mirror please.

728
01:05:46,940 --> 01:05:53,320
Yes, it is here for discussed, but it was left that we either take it in or put it in or take it out.

729
01:05:53,340 --> 01:06:00,700
I think we need to refine it is what I'm looking at is so that we can leave it in or take it out.

730
01:06:00,700 --> 01:06:07,260
I guess it wants to Council to decide, but I think we need to refine the specification and make it more.

731
01:06:07,980 --> 01:06:09,600
I guess I would say user-friendly.

732
01:06:09,900 --> 01:06:10,980
Thank you.

733
01:06:11,180 --> 01:06:11,340
Okay.

734
01:06:12,440 --> 01:06:13,200
Council, Snowden, please.

735
01:06:13,300 --> 01:06:18,140
I guess that if it's to be refined, I would be looking to...

736
01:06:18,140 --> 01:06:23,060
Are we supposed to give staff direction then as to what refined might look like?

737
01:06:23,240 --> 01:06:27,800
Because if we just say refine it without giving any parameters to that,

738
01:06:27,800 --> 01:06:32,300
I'm not sure that stuff is going to be clear as to what we're looking for.

739
01:06:32,560 --> 01:06:38,500
Mark is nodding his head, so I think that was asked of me when I brought it up at the

740
01:06:38,500 --> 01:06:43,160
subject inspection. The mayor asked me if I had some suggestions, which kind of caught me off guard,

741
01:06:43,800 --> 01:06:51,840
but I had some things written down. So we'd had a chance to look at it. I think we should at least,

742
01:06:51,900 --> 01:06:55,680
at the very least, giving stuff something to work with.

743
01:06:56,320 --> 01:07:00,240
Okay. Thank you. I'm going to go to work. Do you have a comment, please?

744
01:07:00,980 --> 01:07:04,360
Just that Councillor Snowball and kind of pulled the thoughts out of my head.

745
01:07:05,380 --> 01:07:08,860
I, with all due respect, you know, it's, it's great to say let's bring it back.

746
01:07:09,060 --> 01:07:13,280
But you need to give me a good reason why. Otherwise, it's just stalling it.

747
01:07:13,580 --> 01:07:17,460
You know, and these folks who are here, they may not be here or different people.

748
01:07:17,620 --> 01:07:21,120
It just, it, it, yes, I will, I will.

749
01:07:21,120 --> 01:07:25,300
Okay, Councillor Forster, did you have a comment to make before I go to the councilman?

750
01:07:25,460 --> 01:07:29,060
But please, just quick comments, so like that picture that was in that presentation,

751
01:07:29,820 --> 01:07:35,500
like, I take it, that's what we're trying to deter, like, I tend to, like, four months from now,

752
01:07:35,580 --> 01:07:41,540
you might have 10 more of them sitting there, or there's another place he has five acres of

753
01:07:41,540 --> 01:07:46,940
abandoned farm machinery. Is that what we're trying to deter? Okay, thanks for the comment,

754
01:07:46,940 --> 01:07:47,440
please.

755
01:07:49,840 --> 01:07:54,440
The complaints that have been issued have been issued on properties that are

756
01:07:56,420 --> 01:08:01,100
zoned AG4, so agricultural small holdings. So these are properties that are not

757
01:08:01,100 --> 01:08:08,140
necessarily agricultural-related properties. In essence, they are a village

758
01:08:08,140 --> 01:08:13,280
residential in the urban area, or in the rural area of apologies. So that has

759
01:08:13,280 --> 01:08:15,160
and something that has not been mentioned today,

760
01:08:15,160 --> 01:08:16,740
so I thought I would say that out loud.

761
01:08:17,540 --> 01:08:19,620
Maybe that's a direction that Council could request

762
01:08:19,620 --> 01:08:22,160
that they maybe the exemption that be put in

763
01:08:22,160 --> 01:08:24,940
is, or that the exemption that is removed

764
01:08:24,940 --> 01:08:27,700
is AG4 properties specifically,

765
01:08:28,300 --> 01:08:31,480
so that they are treated like a settlement area

766
01:08:31,480 --> 01:08:35,040
in the scope of the by-law, for consideration.

767
01:08:35,580 --> 01:08:37,820
Thank you very much for that clerk.

768
01:08:37,820 --> 01:08:52,420
And I think that may address the concerns that some counselors have that AG4s is maybe what we need to consider.

769
01:08:53,380 --> 01:08:55,840
I'm going to go to our CAO and then Councilor Milton, please.

770
01:08:56,440 --> 01:08:58,600
So just to clarify the AG4 properties are small.

771
01:08:59,080 --> 01:09:00,340
The floor is refers to.

772
01:09:00,580 --> 01:09:01,640
So I'm going to give you an example.

773
01:09:01,700 --> 01:09:03,820
If you go down the loyal here and hang it right.

774
01:09:03,860 --> 01:09:05,260
There's a few little small little houses.

775
01:09:05,320 --> 01:09:06,340
Those are all AG4.

776
01:09:06,340 --> 01:09:10,420
They're all small little parishes of property, a couple acres of size, but they're exempt

777
01:09:10,420 --> 01:09:11,260
through this by-law.

778
01:09:11,960 --> 01:09:16,160
And if you could, like, Florence referred to, you could zoom in on those particular properties,

779
01:09:16,380 --> 01:09:17,540
but it's not going to catch them all.

780
01:09:17,640 --> 01:09:20,460
So it's not going to catch the larger parishes that you're talking about.

781
01:09:21,600 --> 01:09:21,620
Okay.

782
01:09:22,140 --> 01:09:22,440
That counts.

783
01:09:24,680 --> 01:09:25,560
Excuse me.

784
01:09:26,000 --> 01:09:28,660
I'll go to Councillor Miltonburg and then our clerk, please.

785
01:09:29,240 --> 01:09:29,460
Yeah.

786
01:09:29,500 --> 01:09:32,880
I based my decisions on facts in front of me.

787
01:09:32,880 --> 01:09:37,340
So, first of all, I think the AG4 complaints changes it dramatically.

788
01:09:38,000 --> 01:09:46,420
The only way I would be content to say, let's change 25 pages of a by-law is to go through

789
01:09:46,420 --> 01:09:49,660
each point, because this by-law has in place for decades.

790
01:09:51,780 --> 01:09:54,060
So, Bill's, okay, I'm going to be doing this again.

791
01:09:54,060 --> 01:09:59,620
Bill, you're right in that, at the very least, I think it would need to be done point by point.

792
01:09:59,620 --> 01:10:05,560
the fact that it said the complaints were AG4 to me changes it directly and I would go through it

793
01:10:05,560 --> 01:10:13,300
point by point thinking AG4 instead of farmlands. I have not done that yet. I think it would be

794
01:10:14,660 --> 01:10:20,660
a large amount of time because I would want to go through all 25 pages with a different lens.

795
01:10:21,980 --> 01:10:24,020
So I am requesting this be brought back.

796
01:10:25,160 --> 01:10:30,000
Yeah, I can see that clerk and then Councillor Stilman, please.

797
01:10:30,580 --> 01:10:37,040
So for the purpose of bringing this back with something to consider or to consider it further,

798
01:10:37,620 --> 01:10:44,500
would Council be interested in seeing a property standards bylaw with the AG4 parcels removed

799
01:10:44,500 --> 01:10:51,320
from that so that there's something to consider and that this discussion can further happen?

800
01:10:52,320 --> 01:10:54,560
I think that would make absolute sense.

801
01:10:54,820 --> 01:10:55,900
Councilor Snowblum, please.

802
01:10:57,800 --> 01:10:58,960
I think that's a great idea.

803
01:10:59,940 --> 01:11:02,000
I'll expand on that, though.

804
01:11:02,860 --> 01:11:05,620
And not that I'm looking to attend more meetings,

805
01:11:06,020 --> 01:11:07,680
but this is a huge bylaw.

806
01:11:07,940 --> 01:11:09,280
And it has a lot of implications.

807
01:11:10,060 --> 01:11:12,520
And I think as Councilor Milton Bergs,

808
01:11:12,900 --> 01:11:16,000
that this bylaw has been around for quite a number of years

809
01:11:16,000 --> 01:11:17,900
and because it's so extensive,

810
01:11:17,900 --> 01:11:22,980
would it be reasonable to consider having a special meeting

811
01:11:22,980 --> 01:11:27,460
a council to discuss just this particular by-law, as opposed to being

812
01:11:27,680 --> 01:11:32,960
in a regular council meeting where it would quite possibly take up a

813
01:11:32,960 --> 01:11:38,680
great deal of how to put up the meeting? I'm thinking, you know, an hour and

814
01:11:38,680 --> 01:11:43,540
half meeting or a two hour meeting, even if it's at four o'clock or something

815
01:11:43,540 --> 01:11:49,720
right after board 30 when staff is normally done for the day just so that we have a chance to

816
01:11:49,720 --> 01:11:56,120
really get a good scope of it and be able to go as Council Milton birds that line by line.

817
01:11:59,600 --> 01:12:07,210
Okay, thank you for that. Any further sentiment from Council on this would we like a special meeting

818
01:12:07,210 --> 01:12:13,730
for this? Does staff feel that we can do this within a Council meeting and I will defer to

819
01:12:13,730 --> 01:12:14,590
Peter Mayor, please.

820
01:12:15,550 --> 01:12:16,370
Thank you, Mr. Mayor.

821
01:12:17,130 --> 01:12:22,090
I would like to see the scenario of the A, G,

822
01:12:22,570 --> 01:12:25,670
forwards taken out, but also I'll have to admit

823
01:12:25,670 --> 01:12:29,270
that I would like time to look at this and go through it,

824
01:12:29,570 --> 01:12:32,510
because there's things I'd like to see left in,

825
01:12:32,670 --> 01:12:34,090
there's things I'd like to see taken out,

826
01:12:34,150 --> 01:12:36,650
and I haven't done that, I'll be honest with you.

827
01:12:37,590 --> 01:12:40,970
So that was why I asked it to come back,

828
01:12:41,670 --> 01:12:43,210
and I don't care if it comes back in two weeks

829
01:12:43,210 --> 01:12:49,890
a month because it is going to take a while to go through this and pick out because I can

830
01:12:49,890 --> 01:12:55,750
just take a few off the top of my head like trailer parks for instance. I know of a few

831
01:12:55,750 --> 01:13:01,610
farms that have almost become a trailer park and they shouldn't but they're exempt because they're

832
01:13:01,610 --> 01:13:07,610
aging one and so there's a whole lot of things in there that I'd like to look at and bring back

833
01:13:07,610 --> 01:13:12,990
and because today I can't tell you what I want to take out or put in or anything else so

834
01:13:12,990 --> 01:13:18,390
That's why I asked it to come back. Thank you. Okay. Thank you for that. From a staff standpoint,

835
01:13:20,390 --> 01:13:27,770
the bylaw is already in place like could we meet a week from today to discuss that,

836
01:13:27,890 --> 01:13:35,750
Councillor Miltonberg, please. That's why I want to jump in. It's, we're dairy farmers. You

837
01:13:35,750 --> 01:13:41,490
have not your choice and this is prime agriculture season. I actually do not have time to go through

838
01:13:41,490 --> 01:13:47,250
25 pages line by line and think about AG4 and AG and do a good job.

839
01:13:47,990 --> 01:13:52,650
I don't want to phone it in and I don't think there's any particular hurry for this.

840
01:13:52,950 --> 01:13:55,370
We ask for it to come back based on complaints.

841
01:13:57,530 --> 01:14:01,770
I think it's a full-sum conversation I think Bill is bang on right?

842
01:14:02,010 --> 01:14:03,710
He probably was just reading my mind.

843
01:14:05,270 --> 01:14:10,530
But if we're talking about having a special meeting because we need the time, I'm saying let's do it more timely.

844
01:14:10,530 --> 01:14:20,610
There's there is no rush for this. Let's do it either in the fall or or after the crops are in the ground or you know, if we want to do it in the middle of summer

845
01:14:20,610 --> 01:14:23,570
I don't know but a week is way too short to turn around

846
01:14:24,210 --> 01:14:25,550
No problem. Thank you

847
01:14:25,550 --> 01:14:35,550
So what are we looking at on time frame because staff needs some direction on this and we don't have to nail down a date. It can be a proximate councillor snoblin, please

848
01:14:36,410 --> 01:14:42,550
It's generally the first week at June as a good time for farmers and another comment, I hate procrastination.

849
01:14:44,930 --> 01:14:45,770
Speaking, please.

850
01:14:45,950 --> 01:14:48,730
Okay, thank you for that Councillor Snowblin.

851
01:14:48,970 --> 01:14:52,470
We do have a council meeting on the third day of June.

852
01:14:52,930 --> 01:14:54,790
Councillor Milton Burke, do you have a comment, please?

853
01:14:55,210 --> 01:14:59,430
I would suggest that every single dairy farmer in ACW is busy June 1st.

854
01:15:00,590 --> 01:15:03,530
Yes. Is it going to rain?

855
01:15:05,270 --> 01:15:11,130
Okay. So, when are we thinking of a time frame?

856
01:15:11,950 --> 01:15:19,590
Staff need direction on this. Do it. Councilor Deputy Mayor and then Councilor Snowman.

857
01:15:19,910 --> 01:15:23,790
Could we bring it back, say, in July? I think that would be quite appropriate.

858
01:15:24,950 --> 01:15:28,930
You know, nice sunny day. You said it back and read it. Thank you.

859
01:15:28,930 --> 01:15:40,710
Okay, so we're thinking of July, by my memory, we have one council meeting in July, is that correct, stuff?

860
01:15:42,570 --> 01:15:48,290
So, we could do it the 8th of July, if that, I'm away.

861
01:15:48,750 --> 01:15:49,270
Oh, you're away.

862
01:15:50,470 --> 01:15:53,430
Okay, you're away the first two weeks, okay? No problem.

863
01:15:55,290 --> 01:15:56,870
Councillor Schnellman, please?

864
01:15:57,690 --> 01:16:04,690
Not being a dairy farmer, I'm not aware of when the hay comes off and so on, but could

865
01:16:04,690 --> 01:16:12,790
we extend the meeting on June the 17th to have a discussion of just the property standards

866
01:16:13,630 --> 01:16:15,290
after the June 17th meeting.

867
01:16:18,730 --> 01:16:19,990
Okay, but please?

868
01:16:21,110 --> 01:16:25,350
So you're looking for a special council meeting after the June 17th Council meeting.

869
01:16:27,310 --> 01:16:27,750
Yes,

870
01:16:31,650 --> 01:16:31,730
okay.

871
01:16:31,730 --> 01:16:33,630
Provided that gives staff enough time.

872
01:16:34,670 --> 01:16:39,090
Yeah, I mean, my intent, if to bring back the property stands by, I wouldn't propose any amendments to it.

873
01:16:39,090 --> 01:16:45,010
I would bring it to you as draft and it would up to you to decide what you would want to change on that by-law.

874
01:16:45,630 --> 01:16:55,450
Stated, you know, if it's a, they could, a continuation of a council meeting, it would have to be a call to a separate place at separate time.

875
01:16:55,450 --> 01:17:01,170
I mean, be it to be considered, I'm thinking even from a administrative side of things.

876
01:17:01,770 --> 01:17:07,210
So either it'd be included in the June 17th meeting as an item that is discussed, or you

877
01:17:07,210 --> 01:17:11,750
come back at one o'clock or four o'clock to discuss that item specifically.

878
01:17:12,810 --> 01:17:18,970
We could always do it within the council meeting and extend the hour, that's a possibility,

879
01:17:19,550 --> 01:17:23,490
and rather than, you know, that is one option.

880
01:17:23,490 --> 01:17:28,230
Councilor Milton Berkeley. Okay, we have one councillor Anita. We love dearly. Would like it

881
01:17:28,230 --> 01:17:34,130
done quicker. You have a councillor member who is asking for grace in the beginning of June.

882
01:17:34,690 --> 01:17:40,770
Can we do it in July? And I will tell you, I could do it June 17th, it will be a hardship.

883
01:17:42,090 --> 01:17:47,730
And I would do my best. But I'm asking for the extension to July because as far as I can tell,

884
01:17:47,730 --> 01:17:54,170
is no pressing pressing reason to do it in June for me and there's a lot of pressing reasons not

885
01:17:54,170 --> 01:18:01,070
to do it in June for me. Okay so we have one meeting in July that would be on the 15th of July

886
01:18:01,070 --> 01:18:05,010
we could extend the hour and have it within that meeting CAO comment please.

887
01:18:06,990 --> 01:18:12,530
I'm just trying to bring it back full circle. The intent is to decide whether you're going to include

888
01:18:12,530 --> 01:18:18,470
all-way properties or just some, the bylaw itself, I don't know if it needs much

889
01:18:18,470 --> 01:18:19,430
amending itself.

890
01:18:19,530 --> 01:18:22,510
But I think it's more about what zones you want to include, right now includes all

891
01:18:22,510 --> 01:18:23,930
zone, except those agriculture.

892
01:18:24,330 --> 01:18:25,650
So I think it's more of that play.

893
01:18:25,710 --> 01:18:30,690
There might be a few little minor changes of the bylaw, but like this bylaws have been around

894
01:18:30,690 --> 01:18:31,790
for quite some time.

895
01:18:32,430 --> 01:18:34,470
And they are in their for reason, they're consistent.

896
01:18:34,810 --> 01:18:39,250
So I think we need to wrap our head around whether you want to include the agriculture as

897
01:18:39,250 --> 01:18:42,970
whole, every particular zone, or just particular ones.

898
01:18:44,050 --> 01:18:51,090
And I would suggest from our discussion that our consideration was to whether to currently

899
01:18:51,090 --> 01:19:01,070
AG4 is excluded, and whether that is our intent as opposed to agricultural land, a farmer's

900
01:19:01,070 --> 01:19:01,550
type of thing.

901
01:19:01,550 --> 01:19:07,270
And we will look at the full some by-law, however, I would suggest that that is something

902
01:19:07,270 --> 01:19:11,010
and we're kind of discussing today,

903
01:19:11,350 --> 01:19:12,190
Councillor Snowblum, please.

904
01:19:12,990 --> 01:19:15,410
Could we come to a compromise and start the discussion

905
01:19:15,410 --> 01:19:19,290
at the June, whatever, meeting that was June 17th,

906
01:19:19,290 --> 01:19:20,210
exactly what we said.

907
01:19:22,810 --> 01:19:25,110
June 17th, start the discussion,

908
01:19:25,810 --> 01:19:28,470
and if need be, finish the discussion

909
01:19:28,470 --> 01:19:30,530
at the July 15th meeting,

910
01:19:31,770 --> 01:19:35,450
and ahead of time, have staff provide for us,

911
01:19:35,450 --> 01:19:47,430
Not only the definition of AG-4 and how it dovetails and effects any possible amendments to

912
01:19:47,430 --> 01:19:57,310
this by-law, but also any other zoning that might as well, but I'm not familiar with all

913
01:19:57,310 --> 01:20:03,170
zones for it, but perhaps you could, you know, have a few of the different

914
01:20:03,170 --> 01:20:09,650
zoning that might have a great deal of effect or a little effect on this.

915
01:20:09,970 --> 01:20:11,730
Just so that we can wrap our head around it.

916
01:20:12,990 --> 01:20:20,890
Okay, so this suggestion was on the 17th of June and further discussion of the 15th of July.

917
01:20:21,090 --> 01:20:22,610
I'm not, I don't know.

918
01:20:22,810 --> 01:20:23,550
We'll see how it goes.

919
01:20:23,710 --> 01:20:27,150
I'm not sure it's going to be that long conversation if we have the by-law in advance

920
01:20:27,150 --> 01:20:30,290
for what we want to accomplish, however that is at the Willow Council.

921
01:20:30,930 --> 01:20:32,490
Councilor Milton Bergen and Hickey, please.

922
01:20:32,750 --> 01:20:38,110
Okay, I've said I can make the June 17th work and I can't, but I would also comment,

923
01:20:38,350 --> 01:20:40,730
you are talking about something that affects farmers.

924
01:20:40,970 --> 01:20:44,370
And when we talk about something that affects the seasonal residents,

925
01:20:44,730 --> 01:20:48,370
we try to do it at a time that's handy for them.

926
01:20:48,550 --> 01:20:54,590
And I'm not hang by June 17th, but everybody else who has beef cattle is,

927
01:20:54,710 --> 01:20:55,770
or they're spraying their soybeans.

928
01:20:55,770 --> 01:21:02,330
So if you want people who are interested and are going to be affected by this to have time,

929
01:21:02,570 --> 01:21:07,750
there's a reason why both most dairy farmers, not dairy farmers, farmers, get married in the middle of July,

930
01:21:07,950 --> 01:21:11,350
because there's a break in the middle of July organically.

931
01:21:12,570 --> 01:21:14,050
I personally got married in October.

932
01:21:15,330 --> 01:21:17,670
So I can make June 17th work.

933
01:21:17,850 --> 01:21:20,950
I think it's a disservice to the people who will be affected by this by-law.

934
01:21:21,370 --> 01:21:23,070
And everyone knows what I need and I think.

935
01:21:23,190 --> 01:21:24,930
So I'd like to know what the other counselors think.

936
01:21:25,510 --> 01:21:31,250
Okay, so with that sentiment, let's consider the 15th of July, and I'm going to go to

937
01:21:31,250 --> 01:21:33,550
Councilor Hickey and then Snowborne, please.

938
01:21:34,330 --> 01:21:34,890
Thank you.

939
01:21:35,190 --> 01:21:40,670
As far as the package coming back at the meeting, I just asked staff to do a breakdown of

940
01:21:40,670 --> 01:21:47,890
all AG zones, just so we know what's allowed on AG, whatever it is, size-wise, how large

941
01:21:47,890 --> 01:21:52,530
the properties are, or could be if there's a restriction on AG for size-wise, just so

942
01:21:52,530 --> 01:21:57,750
and go through AG, step by step, all those zoning, thank you.

943
01:21:58,550 --> 01:22:01,250
Okay, just to follow up on that, I'm going to ask a question.

944
01:22:03,270 --> 01:22:07,750
Do you have a brief explanation on AG4 holdings,

945
01:22:07,810 --> 01:22:11,250
and you cited the loyal that we're all familiar with,

946
01:22:11,250 --> 01:22:13,550
compared to 100 A.K. the farm.

947
01:22:14,350 --> 01:22:15,370
Difference in zoning, please.

948
01:22:18,020 --> 01:22:20,220
I don't have that information here in Italy.

949
01:22:20,460 --> 01:22:20,940
No problem.

950
01:22:20,940 --> 01:22:24,840
It's cool. Okay, Councillor Snowblum, you'd like to make a comment please.

951
01:22:25,620 --> 01:22:29,940
I would just say in the spirit of doing things that are handy for everybody.

952
01:22:30,800 --> 01:22:34,660
Seasonal and farmers, the seasonal people that we're here today at the delegation.

953
01:22:34,880 --> 01:22:44,840
I'm sure that they would like to see this come to discussion sooner rather than later as opposed to at a time when they're not in the area.

954
01:22:45,600 --> 01:22:46,720
So just for consideration.

955
01:22:46,720 --> 01:22:56,890
at July is good not October. Okay so if I would ask Council if for the

956
01:22:56,890 --> 01:23:03,430
sentiment can this work for our July 15th meeting and staff would provide

957
01:23:03,430 --> 01:23:10,170
this information in advance of that meeting. Deputy Mayor. Oh yeah you're a

958
01:23:10,170 --> 01:23:16,090
way. No I'm not a way but like that's getting into wheat season but as long as

959
01:23:16,090 --> 01:23:21,210
the morning that's fine, but July 15th, that regular council meeting, yeah, as long as it doesn't

960
01:23:21,210 --> 01:23:27,310
get too late, that's my biggest concern. So, I'm going to ask for show of hands of council is in

961
01:23:27,310 --> 01:23:33,090
support of this, uh, property standards by law, uh, agricultural zone exemption coming back

962
01:23:33,090 --> 01:23:38,230
to our July 15th meeting that will start at 9 a.m. It's council and support of this show of

963
01:23:38,230 --> 01:23:45,810
hands, please. That's part of my council. Okay, staff, go to this. Thank you. The, uh, by law enforcement

964
01:23:45,810 --> 01:23:53,110
report is for information purposes. Do any members of council have any questions or comments on this report?

965
01:23:54,990 --> 01:23:59,370
Seeing none, we have the report also from Viola, water operations and maintenance,

966
01:23:59,590 --> 01:24:05,930
again for information purposes. Any questions or comments? Or red that? Nothing under drainage.

967
01:24:16,390 --> 01:24:18,510
Yes, I do. That's right.

968
01:24:24,140 --> 01:24:28,660
Thank you very much, clerk. I'm nothing under drainage. Public works.

969
01:24:28,660 --> 01:24:34,400
If we do have a report that has been prepared by our public work superintendent on progress,

970
01:24:34,520 --> 01:24:38,920
do we have any questions or comments of Tom on this report?

971
01:24:39,880 --> 01:24:40,840
Councillor Forster, please.

972
01:24:41,500 --> 01:24:42,120
Okay, thank you, Glenn.

973
01:24:42,800 --> 01:24:46,080
I'm really impressed with the job you guys getting the crown on the road.

974
01:24:47,060 --> 01:24:53,740
But one of my concerns is this gravel you've put in the grass, for grass cutting, like

975
01:24:53,740 --> 01:24:56,200
what's going to happen with that.

976
01:24:56,200 --> 01:24:59,680
Okay, thanks for the question, Councillor Forster, Tom, please.

977
01:25:09,190 --> 01:25:16,430
The grass is cut over top of the gravel and then the grass is going to dry up and if we're

978
01:25:16,430 --> 01:25:24,090
going to use the reclaimer, it's a set of discs that you used to pull stuff out and it's

979
01:25:24,090 --> 01:25:32,130
always going to pull grass and saw it out of the side of the road so I would look to time

980
01:25:32,130 --> 01:25:38,090
the grass cutting with the reclaiming of gravel so that you're not pulling a leg

981
01:25:38,090 --> 01:25:45,170
a larger amount of, hey, onto the road. But the way it, like some places, like

982
01:25:45,170 --> 01:25:52,290
there's a mound like that high, like you can't cut grass. I'd also say that

983
01:25:52,290 --> 01:26:03,550
So Creek Line in the report got an extra thick layer of gravel and we're trying that out.

984
01:26:04,910 --> 01:26:10,070
I have to go and look to see how much if there's a particular area that's got a lot of

985
01:26:10,070 --> 01:26:14,650
gravel that's pushed to the side, I'd have to go and have a look at it.

986
01:26:14,990 --> 01:26:20,850
So yeah, I'm talking Creek Line, but so other roads aren't the same way to get that

987
01:26:20,850 --> 01:26:27,970
on the road. We have a beautiful crown on all of the roads. The guys have been very diligent,

988
01:26:28,330 --> 01:26:38,290
trying to achieve that 5%. From what I've seen from the roads that have had gravel applied to them,

989
01:26:38,330 --> 01:26:43,410
I don't feel like there's a lot of gravel that's been pushed to the side. So we just on

990
01:26:45,130 --> 01:26:49,670
Friday added an additional thickness to crew climb, so it

991
01:26:49,670 --> 01:26:54,070
have to go see how it's looking today. But we can always pull it back. It'll be okay.

992
01:26:55,750 --> 01:26:59,730
Okay, thank you. Thank you for that. And thank you for this. Thomas

993
01:26:59,730 --> 01:27:03,530
far as a follow-up that Council has asked for in a residence of

994
01:27:03,530 --> 01:27:10,150
asked for too. And I have also received comments in the last two weeks from

995
01:27:10,150 --> 01:27:15,930
incidents that have been very appreciative of the quality of the gravel, the amount of stone

996
01:27:15,930 --> 01:27:23,130
in it, the quantity that has been applied and also on the crown that has been applied

997
01:27:23,130 --> 01:27:23,510
to the road.

998
01:27:23,610 --> 01:27:25,410
And this is what our residents have asked for.

999
01:27:25,650 --> 01:27:29,810
So thank you very much for that, Tom, and we will continue to monitor this.

1000
01:27:30,130 --> 01:27:35,050
And in the fact that you're putting an additional amount on, we have to try different things

1001
01:27:35,050 --> 01:27:41,590
to improve it. And this is what both Council and our residents have requested and thank you very much for doing this.

1002
01:27:41,650 --> 01:27:47,370
And we will continue to do it to upgrade our and improve our roads to what they have been.

1003
01:27:48,010 --> 01:27:50,730
Any further questions or comments at Tom? Other than job well done?

1004
01:27:50,870 --> 01:27:54,430
You continue it? Perfect. Thank you very much, Tom, for this.

1005
01:27:56,130 --> 01:28:01,590
Is there any council committee reports that anyone would like to share with Council? Please no go first to Councilor Hecky?

1006
01:28:01,590 --> 01:28:08,290
Thank you. Councillor Blake, reached out to me last night and asked me to report for him.

1007
01:28:08,650 --> 01:28:14,230
On the Ben Miller Hall, June 5th is the annual supper. There will be a silent auction

1008
01:28:14,230 --> 01:28:19,990
with proceeds going to the playground project. And also the committee is very excited to share

1009
01:28:19,990 --> 01:28:26,250
that they have raised nearly $61,000 to date for the playground project, which I think is excellent

1010
01:28:26,250 --> 01:28:28,850
amount in the time they've had. Thank you.

1011
01:28:28,850 --> 01:28:34,410
It absolutely is. That's wonderful. Congratulations and thank you to all that are involved in

1012
01:28:34,410 --> 01:28:38,810
that fundraising ever. Any additional committee reports, Councilor Snowblum, please?

1013
01:28:40,590 --> 01:28:45,970
Yes, on May 14th, I met in Clinton with the community safety and well-being

1014
01:28:47,830 --> 01:28:55,770
oversight committee and it was discussed at fairly great length. Since this is a mandated

1015
01:28:57,930 --> 01:29:05,450
committee of municipalities across Ontario, there is no funding for this and we've discussed

1016
01:29:05,450 --> 01:29:14,150
this before at the oversight committee and there is an appetite from the Oxford County

1017
01:29:14,150 --> 01:29:23,370
to take the lead in approaching possibly the Minister of Finance at AMO about seeking funding

1018
01:29:23,370 --> 01:29:28,670
For for this mandated committee across the municipalities of Belief

1019
01:29:29,350 --> 01:29:38,050
I know there's 440 year some municipalities 44 but I believe there's 380 if I'm not mistaken

1020
01:29:38,810 --> 01:29:46,790
Committees that are mandated through the province of Ontario with no funding we talked about different ways to approach

1021
01:29:47,370 --> 01:29:51,370
How to highlight that there's no funding and so on it's

1022
01:29:51,370 --> 01:29:58,990
about $4,600 for a booth, which seems a little high to bring awareness to.

1023
01:30:00,000 --> 01:30:21,560
This, but there is, like I said, an appetite for the Oxford county to take the lead on us. I guess the ask is the committee has asked me to approach our local MPP to have a discussion about this at the committee, which I have not done yet, but I will be approaching her.

1024
01:30:21,560 --> 01:30:31,300
and also for the councils that are associated with the nine lower tiers to if they have anyone going to

1025
01:30:31,300 --> 01:30:37,800
aim on a belief council in Miltonburg as if they would be supportive of Oxford County and

1026
01:30:37,800 --> 01:30:43,580
other counties that are ticking the lead on this to approach if they can get a delegation

1027
01:30:44,480 --> 01:30:51,200
to the Minister of Finance or whatever ministry is available to talk about funding for this

1028
01:30:51,200 --> 01:30:52,500
mandated committee.

1029
01:30:54,720 --> 01:30:58,180
That was the great deal at discussion, but we also have some other things coming up.

1030
01:30:59,920 --> 01:31:03,180
New, um, some new, um,

1031
01:31:05,400 --> 01:31:09,260
I'm, I'm going to last for words. The next priority is the next

1032
01:31:09,260 --> 01:31:16,840
central I first. We have a new launch coming forward and, uh, the new campaign community safety and

1033
01:31:16,840 --> 01:31:22,220
security, and that'll be launching in July. So, and we'll be highlighting that at the

1034
01:31:22,220 --> 01:31:27,460
to cultural festival in Gaudrich. I believe it's July 1st.

1035
01:31:27,740 --> 01:31:31,520
Thank you very much for that. Any additional committee reports?

1036
01:31:32,320 --> 01:31:37,660
Anyone? Approximately two weeks ago, I did attend the South here in Mayor's breakfast.

1037
01:31:38,800 --> 01:31:43,460
In Exeter and also the Gaudrich Mayor's luncheon in Gaudrich.

1038
01:31:44,300 --> 01:31:50,500
We had a mid-here in landfill meeting a week ago and almost want to touch wood.

1039
01:31:50,500 --> 01:31:56,580
we are seeing the least shade amount decrease at the landfill, which has been a priority

1040
01:31:56,580 --> 01:32:03,280
in a concern of the committee and we are monitoring that as to different ways we can further

1041
01:32:04,020 --> 01:32:07,520
enhance that of less least shade because it's an absolute cost.

1042
01:32:08,880 --> 01:32:12,020
Is there any new business that anyone would like to bring forward to a future meeting at

1043
01:32:12,020 --> 01:32:12,920
this time?

1044
01:32:14,120 --> 01:32:18,140
Seeing none, we have no correspondence for direction, there are a number of items for information,

1045
01:32:18,140 --> 01:32:23,640
And do any members of Council have a comment to make on this and I will go first to Council

1046
01:32:23,640 --> 01:32:24,500
or Meltingburg, please?

1047
01:32:25,380 --> 01:32:25,700
Thank you.

1048
01:32:26,120 --> 01:32:27,320
I have a comment on several of them.

1049
01:32:27,380 --> 01:32:30,280
The first one is 16.1, the AMO delegation.

1050
01:32:31,800 --> 01:32:40,980
I would suggest that we make a delegation request both for what Anita spoke about and I'm not

1051
01:32:40,980 --> 01:32:44,860
sure maybe we may think maybe more than just a minister of finance.

1052
01:32:44,860 --> 01:32:48,540
we may be sending the same thing out to several ministers and see who will take a bite.

1053
01:32:49,140 --> 01:32:54,260
And the other one is I think we should try to make another delegation to short-term rental.

1054
01:32:55,140 --> 01:32:56,540
We're doing a lot of good work.

1055
01:32:56,680 --> 01:33:01,540
We could talk to them about it, but I still believe it should be far more direction from

1056
01:33:01,540 --> 01:33:02,640
the province than there is.

1057
01:33:03,400 --> 01:33:06,900
They're letting us do everything and I'd like to point that out again.

1058
01:33:08,140 --> 01:33:10,680
So do we want to talk about that for our move on to the next one?

1059
01:33:10,680 --> 01:33:16,600
or absolutely and that delegation of STRs would be the Minister of Housing I would suggest would that be appropriate?

1060
01:33:17,460 --> 01:33:22,880
Florence sent it in last year. I think that's who it was.

1061
01:33:23,380 --> 01:33:36,880
My memory doesn't ring a bell to I have it but I mean if there isn't the deadline is May 30th so if we're open to those suggestions I could get a draft STR1.

1062
01:33:36,880 --> 01:33:46,240
need I'm guessing could get a draft for whatever that word was give them show the council

1063
01:33:46,240 --> 01:33:51,120
so we can kind of agree that's more or less it so Florence can get the paperwork done and again

1064
01:33:51,120 --> 01:33:57,500
that doesn't it wouldn't be the full some report because we don't even know if we'll get an

1065
01:33:57,500 --> 01:34:03,640
ear but it would give staff some direction of what to send by May 30 if we're interested in that.

1066
01:34:03,640 --> 01:34:06,020
Okay, thank you very much, Councillor Snowblund, please.

1067
01:34:06,640 --> 01:34:13,900
Just I would suggest that perhaps we could get Kelly or Florence to reach out to

1068
01:34:13,900 --> 01:34:19,380
Michaela Johnson or Stacey Jeffree, with either the town of Gaudert, which was South

1069
01:34:19,380 --> 01:34:24,480
Huron, because they would have the lead people from Oxford County that they might be able

1070
01:34:24,480 --> 01:34:25,400
to get more information.

1071
01:34:26,960 --> 01:34:27,240
Okay.

1072
01:34:27,620 --> 01:34:32,940
Staff good with that in the sentiment for an STR request of a delegation to address that

1073
01:34:32,940 --> 01:34:36,560
to your appropriate ministers. Okay, and continue please Councilor Milpert.

1074
01:34:59,480 --> 01:35:00,560
Okay. Thanks for the questions.

1075
01:35:00,720 --> 01:35:06,160
CAO, please. I knew that question was coming, so I'm looking. I emailed the month Friday

1076
01:35:06,160 --> 01:35:11,160
and he says they haven't forgotten there's going to be something coming back to Council for

1077
01:35:11,160 --> 01:35:16,720
to look at shortly. Okay. Thank you. Continue. Yeah, please. Thank you for that to CAO.

1078
01:35:16,940 --> 01:35:20,880
There's two here in County, Slide Grant, so we're successful for the Ben Miller Playground,

1079
01:35:20,880 --> 01:35:25,560
And I wanted to really particularly shout out that, well, they're both great.

1080
01:35:25,720 --> 01:35:29,320
The accessibility one is great, but initially I was like, I don't think there's any point

1081
01:35:29,320 --> 01:35:33,620
in putting in the Ben Miller project one and we did request quite a bit more, but I'm quite

1082
01:35:33,620 --> 01:35:39,140
happy that they did support it, so color me wrong and willing to admit staff was smarter to me on

1083
01:35:39,140 --> 01:35:41,340
that one instance so good for them.

1084
01:35:43,720 --> 01:35:48,100
And the last comment I wanted to make was 16.8, the

1085
01:35:48,100 --> 01:35:54,700
for festival civic invitation night. My very first play ever was Annie, so I'm really

1086
01:35:54,700 --> 01:35:58,820
interested in that, but I'm guessing I'm to contact them myself, is that how it

1087
01:35:58,820 --> 01:36:06,790
reads? Okay thank you. Okay thank you for that and I would also plan to attend that

1088
01:36:06,790 --> 01:36:13,030
civic night. Any other items of information the council would like to comment on and I

1089
01:36:13,030 --> 01:36:18,230
will go first to Councillor Hecky please. Thank you. I'd like to just acknowledge 162,

1090
01:36:18,230 --> 01:36:19,830
the McKay Center update.

1091
01:36:20,650 --> 01:36:24,830
That's an program that we supported and help get going.

1092
01:36:25,130 --> 01:36:29,950
They've got part-time custodian and part-time program consultant that started earlier this May,

1093
01:36:30,090 --> 01:36:36,130
and it looks like they have a barbecue coming up in June to get awareness out and events,

1094
01:36:36,410 --> 01:36:38,790
so I'd just like to acknowledge that. Thank you.

1095
01:36:39,630 --> 01:36:43,110
Thank you very much, Chef, for that, and that is very positive, totally, absolutely.

1096
01:36:43,110 --> 01:36:49,130
And I think additional, seeing none under unfinished business, the AMO conference that Council

1097
01:36:49,130 --> 01:36:55,210
at Miltonburg and myself planned to attend, we have one by law, and I would entertain

1098
01:36:55,210 --> 01:36:57,790
a mover and a seconder for this by-law of these.

1099
01:36:58,290 --> 01:37:01,710
And it would be Deputy Mayor Van Stone, Councillor Miltonburg, the lead, be given to introduce

1100
01:37:01,710 --> 01:37:06,850
by-law number 31, dash 2025 being a by-law to adopt the community grants policy for the

1101
01:37:06,850 --> 01:37:10,070
Township of Asheville, Coburn, Walmonosh, and then it will now be read several.

1102
01:37:10,070 --> 01:37:15,430
a first second and third time and finally pass this 20th day of May 2025 all in favor of the

1103
01:37:15,430 --> 01:37:20,670
motion is with. That is curate. We do have a closed session today and I would entertain a mover

1104
01:37:20,670 --> 01:37:29,290
and a seconder for this and that is Councillor Snowbland and Hickey that Ashfield Coburn

1105
01:37:29,290 --> 01:37:33,790
Wall and Ash Township Council move into a closed session in accordance to Section 239 of brackets

1106
01:37:33,790 --> 01:37:39,890
two in brackets B, E and F and brackets of the municipal act with the CAO, the clerk, the public

1107
01:37:39,890 --> 01:37:44,710
works remaining in attendance for the duration and the CBO remaining in attendance for items

1108
01:37:44,710 --> 01:37:52,190
191 and 2 at 1040 AM for the purpose of discussing personal information about an identifiable

1109
01:37:52,190 --> 01:37:57,790
individual, including municipal employees, litigation or potential litigation, including matters

1110
01:37:57,790 --> 01:38:03,670
before administrative tribunals, affecting the municipality and advice that is subject to

1111
01:38:03,670 --> 01:38:09,750
solicitor client privilege including communications necessary for the purpose and that would include

1112
01:38:09,750 --> 01:38:15,950
property standards, building code and zoning by law contraventions and public works, all in favor

1113
01:38:15,950 --> 01:38:21,590
of the motion is read. And that is carried and how we have a break for five minutes to allow our

1114
01:38:21,590 --> 01:38:25,950
clerk the opportunity to secure the meeting and we will resume in our closed session. Thanks.

1115
02:20:34,700 --> 02:20:40,520
We're back in our open session, and I will ask our clerk for reporting at our closed session, please.

1116
02:20:41,020 --> 02:20:42,640
There is nothing to report today.

1117
02:20:42,980 --> 02:20:47,420
Thank you very much. We have our confirmatory by-law, and I will entertain a mover in a second here for this, please.

1118
02:20:47,700 --> 02:21:04,680
Deputy Mayor Van Stone, Councillor Snowblum, that the given to introduce by-law number 32-2025, being a by-law to confirm the proceedings of the

1119
02:21:04,680 --> 02:21:14,680
All in favour of the motion is read. And that is carried. Thank you very much for everyone's input today and I will entertain a mover and a seconder to adjourn this meeting.

1120
02:21:14,680 --> 02:21:18,020
there's forest here in Miltonburg that asked field Cobra and Walgon O'S Township Council

1121
02:21:18,020 --> 02:21:24,500
does now adjourn to meet again on June 3rd, 2025 at 9 a.m. or at the Call of the Mayor.

1122
02:21:24,640 --> 02:21:28,180
All in favor of this motion and that again is carried. Thank you. Meeting adjourn.