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Good evening, everyone. Welcome to the June 3rd, a calm township planning commission. Could you all please stand for the pledge of allegiance?

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The

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pledge of allegiance could have died of the United States and the United States and due to the dollar, which is says, one way should have underbed in Israel with liberty and justice for our role.

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All right, Mr. Bentley, would you please call the role?

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Yes, Mr. Chairman. Michael Hardy. Here. Mr. Tupfield. Here. Mr. Marley.

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here. Ms. Smith has an excuse to absence. She's not here. Mr. Spadafore here. Mr. Oliver here. Mr.

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Bentley present. Okay. We have a corner. Mr. Chairman, Mr. Spadafore. I will move to

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excuse commissioner Smith from all role call votes this evening. And I'll support that.

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motion by Mr. Spadafore, supported by Mr. Myrlade, to remove Ms. Smith from all roll call votes tonight on favour.

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Aye. And you want to pose?

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Motion passes.

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All right, approval of previous meeting minutes. May 20th, 2025.

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Questions, discussions?

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If there are not Mr. Chairman, I will move to approve the previous meeting minutes as

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presented. Motion by Mr. Spadafore to prove the previous meeting minutes supported by Mr. Bentley,

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all the favor? Aye. Anyone opposed? Motion passes. All right. Approval of tonight's agenda.

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I said, I need to discuss it. If there's no nothing to add or I'll make a motion to approve the agenda.

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submitted. Motion by Mr. Byerley to approve tonight's agenda.

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Supported by Mr. Bentley, all in favor? Aye.

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Anyone opposed? Motion passes. Old business, Mr. Box.

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There's no old business this evening. Okay. New business.

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Sheets become north, site plants, special land use, located on the southeast corner of

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23 mile road and North Avenue, section 24.

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Permitted parcel number 0824-101-016 MC development holdings LLC petitioner, Mr. Box.

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Thank you, Mr. Chairman and Commission.

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As you mentioned, there are two items tonight, the special land use and site plan that

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kind of go hand in hand.

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So I'm going to walk through both of them, I'm going to do the special land use first,

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followed by the site plan, we should know that they need two separate votes this evening.

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In the site plan should be second because it's predicated on the special land use.

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So that being said, as you mentioned, they are seeking a site plan approval as well as special land use

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to remove and existing retail building or replace it with a gas station convenient store with a drive through.

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And the special land use approval is requested for the drive-through use as well as outdoor sales areas.

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So as I you see circled on the screen behind you that is their outdoor sales area and that is the special land or the drive-through.

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Those are the two items that are seeking a special land use for this evening.

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And so that in the first part of this that's what I'll be discussing.

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So there are a number of criteria as you guys are well aware.

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I'll go through them one by one, so this special land use shall be of such size and location that it's harmonious with the neighboring development.

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So outdoor sales are common supplemental use to gas stations, door sales locations are shown on the south face of the building and planning staff does find that acceptable.

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The drive suit through use is largely in the same location as the drive through that previously existed and and staff find that location acceptable as well.

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So the proposed use should be of a nature that vehicular pedestrian traffic should not be

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more hazardous than the normal based on the location of the proposed outdoor sales area

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and the drive through it appears that this criteria would be met.

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The proposed use shall be designed with respect to location, size, intensity,

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slightly out for periods of operation.

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The things that you would be looking for here would be any nooses emanating there for

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from which it might be noise dust, films, etc. It's not anticipated that these nuisance

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related to dust, noise, fumes, vibration, smoke, or lights would occur from these proposed

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uses that being the outdoor sales or the drive-through use. The proposed use shall be

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of such that the proposed location and height of the building structures etc. would discourage

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appropriate development of adjacent uses, so the outdoor sales, again, it's a common

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supplemental use to gas station convenience stores, as is a drive through, which is evident

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that those same uses already existed to other corners at this intersection.

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So it's pretty standard with this type of a development.

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The proposed use shell relate harmoniously with adjacent land uses with regard to prevailing

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shopping habits convenience of access by prospective patrons and continuity of development.

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So the proposed outdoor sales area in drive through use will supplement the gas station

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in the area and convenience of access by passing motorists.

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There's obvious need for this in the area as evident by the recent

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and ongoing expansions of similar uses at this intersection.

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The proposed uses necessary for public convenience,

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so the outdoor sales and drive-through use may help

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eliminate some left turns, which would create added convenience,

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propane sales are very common again at gas stations,

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and convenient stores, and they're not permitted inside the building, so they would be necessary to be outside if they were sold at this location.

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The proposed use to so design located in Planned, and Shelby operated in such a manner that the public health safety and welfare will be protected.

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The proposed locations of these sales areas and the drive-through appear to be acceptable, staff don't anticipate any public health safety and welfare to be impacted negatively.

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And then lastly, the proposed use shall not be detrimental or injurious to the neighborhood

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with which it is located, nor shall such use operate as a deterrent to future land uses.

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So it's not anticipated that the outdoor sales areas, or the drive through uses, would be detrimental

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or injurious to the neighborhood within which it is located, nor will it be a deterrent for future land uses,

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permitted within the same district.

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So that being said staff doesn't really have any objections to the recommended or requested special land use.

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So now I'm going to walk you through the site plan as submitted.

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They do meet all the acceptable setbacks, the minimum requirements as you see in blue.

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In the lighter blue they do have a monument sign proposed.

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It is set back 10 feet from both right ways which is sufficient and they have a proposed trash and closure.

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It is, I'll touch on this a little bit later, but it is moved from where the current

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trash enclosure is located at the CVS. They are moving it slightly, but it is more

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than 15 feet away from the building as required. The eight foot pathway along both road

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frontages already exists. They have two drive accesses shown already existing and there's a

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proposed five foot wide pedestrian access along 23 mile road to connect pedestrians from the area

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to the site safely.

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Parking and loading, they do have 40 parking spaces,

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as well as 12 pump spaces provided, which is exactly

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what's required.

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And then they have a 15 by 70 for loading zone proposed

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that meets the criteria actually.

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It only needs to be 50 feet.

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The existing masonry wall and two existing rows

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of hedged bushes and trees, they propose to remain in place.

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There are several landscape features

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around the site, as you see here.

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They're actually increasing the width of the landscape area between both of their immediately adjacent neighbors from what exists currently with the CVS.

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I will note that the DPW asked if the trees that you see highlighted are circled in blue there.

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It could be removed as they may damage the sidewalk.

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That's up to the discretion of the applicant, and I'm sure there'll be up here in a second, and you can ask them about that.

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But they noted that the trees, the roots could potentially damage the sidewalk, but it's, I would also on the point out that if the trees didn't

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fact damage the sidewalk, it's the responsibility of the adjacent land order to fix that sidewalk.

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So that's kind of at their discretion if they, they want to take that risk.

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They provided the elevations.

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As you see here, you should have got all this in your packet, as well as the canopy elevations and the floor plans within the site.

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nothing that would violate anything in the ordinance.

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They provided a photometric plan, as you see here,

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they have 13 polls around the exterior,

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limits of the paved areas, building mounted fixtures,

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and lights under the gas canopy.

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The heights of the polls are acceptable.

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All of the lighting that requires downward shielded

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is proposed as such.

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So that being said, staff is in support.

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There's nothing that violates the ordinance.

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There is a few things, as you saw in the

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letter from the engineering department, that minor things that they would ask that if this

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were to be approved that it would be contingent upon, and those are listed here that

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being clearly labeling the clock out drain, labeling the frost free pads at the entrance

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of all the service doors, showing an angled cap on the dumpster enclosure details, and shading

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the areas on the site plan where all the sudden irrigation would go, including the existing

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long areas that are going to remain and that includes where the existing dumpster enclosure

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is located. I mentioned that earlier.

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With that, I'll take any questions.

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Okay. Patricia, name and address for us, please, sir.

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Good evening, David Brokelmeyer. We're Sheets 3,900 West 12-mile row, Department to Nails, Michigan.

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Thank you for having me here tonight. Our excited present to the site plan. I do have a very brief

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presentation. I'd like to show you here one staff can pull that up on the menu.

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So tonight we're here again for a special landing site plan approval. We're proposing a

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61-39 square foot restaurant convenient store with associated fuel station and a

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drive-thru. That's at Southeastern 23 in Northamph. And it is a 2.11-acre parcel.

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Again, staff mentioned we have six pumps, 12 fueling positions. This is representing a $9 million

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investment into the location, and we're excited to propose 30 to 35 full-time positions

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for this location, as well as all the construction and engineering firms that we're using

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that are local.

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Again, you've seen the site plan. A couple of things I'd like to note, if you

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could switch to the next slide, please. We've taken some care here in designing this plan,

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you know, knowing that we have other uses adjacent to us, we've left a masonole in place,

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And there's almost 60 feet of buffer in between, you know, our drive-through lanes and the neighbor to the east.

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So we've made that intentionally, and left a green screen, a lot of that vegetation we're going to maintain.

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Another thing we've done just to, you know, thoughtfully lay off the site plane, just to put that drive-through kiosk.

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That doesn't have any noise, but it is an LED touch screen on the south side of the building.

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Again, you've seen the elevations in the staff packet, but a good full section brick and stone building.

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and this is just a couple of renderings of what the site is proposed to look like.

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Just for a little bit of a bird's eye view, and then that's what a

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part of typical sheets look like just to remind you.

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With that said, I'll take any questions you may have tonight.

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Okay.

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Commissioners.

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Kind of?

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Questions?

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Let's just pay it for.

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Yes, good evening, Mr. Brockhamyer.

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Nice to see you again.

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It's far as the building itself, now the existing building, which was formerly CBS, that's going to be knocked down, and you're going to reconstruct the new building on site and take it.

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That is correct.

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We would completely scrape the site and rebuild it as a sheet sim.

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Because that's different elevations, different brick color sighting, and all compared to what's existing there, right?

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Correct.

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We'll have all of that torn down.

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We'll have a cohesive look throughout the site.

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And when that's done, the full development would include a newly surface parking lot with stripes if you were approved.

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Yes, that is correct. We would completely replace all the pavement, curving all the infrastructure on site in its entirety.

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Okay. Josh, Mr. Bax, our planning director alluded to a little bit, but the landscaping sheets that we had in our packet had two different colors.

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one was like a light green line green and the other was gray. Can you explain the

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different colors that were on the landscape plan sheet for that? At least in

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our pack, that's what it was. Not entirely sure about that. Only in the sense that

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there was one that was labeled as, I think, for side. I'm just wondering, there's

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additional side that was going to be proposed and if yes, will that be

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regated. So we do fully see it in solder sites. So that's from day one. We also installed

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drip irrigation for trees and shrubs and things like that. The existing vegetation,

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we would intend to leave that. However, I think staff has some comments that we'd like to

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address with engineering just administratively. We're happy to work with them on that, but our sites

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fully saw it in here again.

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Okay, and as far as what has been recommended as a new hedge roll along the 23-mile road in addition to what it's, I think, the post on North Avenue, you have, at this time, any idea of the height of the hedge roll of planning, it would be.

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No, planting would be something like, you know, 12 to 18 inches, something in there, depending on the type of shrubbery, that's there, and then it would obviously grow.

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Okay, and be maintained at the same time, but it would grow.

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And you perhaps had seen the comments from our D.P.W. department as far as the removal of the A-trees along 23 mile road is

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are you in your team amenable to such a, you know, removal with the replacement of perhaps a hedge road?

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Yeah, we are amenable to that.

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that's all I have for now.

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Anyone else? Just a few clarification but I'll start with the landscaping

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the existing on the east property line. You indicated that that remains and I think the drawings

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and during your presentation that you're going to make some changes to that existing landscaping

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on the east side, can you clarify what you're thinking, because it's not on the drawing.

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So the intent is to maintain all of that existing vegetation on the east side, as well as that existing

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nation or screen wall that's there.

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At this time, so essentially east of the curb line that's currently there at the old pharmacy,

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It would stay the same.

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There is going to be some additional green space installed, however, with this project.

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So we would be increasing the amount of green space.

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Okay.

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Thank you.

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Can you clarify your hours of operation?

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There is no on your drawings.

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But it doesn't clarify what is operating for the 24 hour, seven days a week.

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So, we operate our sites fully 24-7-365 with all the amenities that come with them.

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So, the restaurant, the gas station, everything is open.

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Yes, entirely.

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So, that brings me to my next clarification question, because it just says proposed store will operate on the drawings.

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So, you have a store, you have a restaurant, you have gas, so it's more than the store.

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It would be the entire site of the fuel restaurant and convenience store would be up in 24, 7, 3, 6, 5, correct.

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Okay, then my question is in regards to, since we're talking about special land use right now, the drive through along the east side.

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I guess that is up. I have a concern with the land, with the drive through on the north and

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there is, you note a stop, I believe, I think it's on the drawing. Yeah, that's correct.

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what is the barrier right above the word stop

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the barrier about the word stop

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just be a stop bar that's just a bar that would just be a straight stop bar

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okay would you consider a screen there my concern is we have a line of as you

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show five cars have their headlights on 24 seven I should say at night and

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There's a, there's a house right across the street with their living room window right there.

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I'd like to see something that blocks the headlights because they're not going away with one car.

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Because there's another car that's going to follow right along.

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But at least something there that would shield the headlights from this line of cars from that adjacent property.

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It would be a nuisance to me, and when I look at those only ordinance, I would say, you know, I would not want headlights in my living room all night long.

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I think that's something we could work on staff on me, knowing we need to circulate people around the strife through we couldn't impede traffic.

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I would like to note a couple of things.

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Our drive-thers are very low volume, so they're not intended to be something of a high volume like a Starbucks or Chick-fil-A or anything like that.

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average at our peak at lunchtime, we run about eight cars an hour, for instance, over

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night, we're less than two, usually an hour. So it's very low volume. This is all really

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about an amenity for our customers that maybe they can't get out of their car or maybe

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they've got a car full of kids, and it's something where they can conveniently pull around,

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and sometimes they don't even use the order point, they just use the app, they pull around

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and grab their bag of food and don't have to get to say their kids out of their car,

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maybe they're grandparents out of the car or something of that nature. So it is a very low volume.

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So I just wanted to point that out. We can work with staff to make some kind of screening of some kind, but it's that's

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something we aren't able to impede the flow of traffic. Right, and I guess to stop the lighting,

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the headlights and that wouldn't have to go much further than what is shown there for the stop.

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But would you consider that you will do something there to shield?

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the, I would like to ask a little bit of a clarification, you know, shielding headlights

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point north, you know, that there's not going to be anything in front of it. So when you say

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shielding it in front of the stop, can you give me a little bit more about that? Stopping

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the headlights from shining into someone's front front.

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We can be a stream, it can be something

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that's, it can be tall, thin, plants, you know, trees, but just something to shield those

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lights that are going to be there, whether it's two that are there for the 10 or 20 minutes

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that they're waiting for their food or a whole line because I don't know that anybody can guarantee

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how many are they going to be in that line and it is a concern that I would have if I own

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that house across the street.

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I think looking at this we can come up with some kind of way to do that and we can work with

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staff.

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we can work with staff to do that.

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Thank you for the on

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your push button.

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I guess your screen touch screen.

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Is there any kind of speaker or mic there in case someone's having problems using it?

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So we actually have agreed to take that out of the call box.

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So we will not have it. It's really a full touch screen operation and occasionally, you know, an operations person on the camera might see someone struggling and they could get on there.

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I think what we're intending to do is to install system where they could just press a button and it'll say, please pull around or they could just pull around or we're going to have some kind of plaque up this there that says, you know, if there's an issue, please pull around our associates will help you at the window.

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Gotcha, I appreciate that. Thank you.

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That answers my questions.

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Anyone else?

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Yeah.

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Just follow up.

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So when somebody is struggling at the chaos,

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there's no way that somebody's going to be yelling through a call box.

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It's just not going to be there.

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That is correct.

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That's good.

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And there will be a way that that person could be notified just to go around.

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Well, would that be just pop up on a screen?

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We'll either have something on the screen or we're going to have some kind of plaque on the order point that says if you're experiencing issues, please pull around.

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Thank you.

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The next question is alcohol.

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Do you sell alcohol there?

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We do intend to sell alcohol at this location, but we're going to follow all state and local jurisdiction ordinances.

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So if we can get an alcohol license, we will

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sell carry out only items that will be no on-premise consumption.

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So no serving of alcohol.

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No, carry out only.

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And the food will this be dying.

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We'll be no entertainment at the food, no, especially events inside

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the building where people would come and gather and any of that stuff.

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No, we don't.

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You're going to buy your food, you're going to either take it home or you're going to eat it there.

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Yeah, that's correct.

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We have about 30 seats inside.

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That's not some kind of large gathering area.

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Nothing of that nature.

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It's really coming and get your food sit down and eat it and be on your way.

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Thank you.

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What we began this gentleman was sitting there.

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So can you state your name and address on the road?

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Eric Williams, 555 South Old Woodward, Birmingham Machine.

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Okay.

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Thank you.

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Anyone else?

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Yes, Mr. Chair.

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Mr. Tuckfield.

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Just to follow up on something with Mr. Wood.

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If I could.

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Rich was mentioning some concerns with lights on the drive through.

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This is with regards to the special land use.

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I believe because the drive through a special land use.

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What is our ability to put a requirement on those of those that are blocked?

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Is that something we have to do as a suggestion?

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If we wanted to do that, is that something we could make it contingent upon?

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Can you help us with what our, yeah, this is a special and you, so, you know, it's a permissive request by if they meet the standards and I think it's appropriate if the planning commission believes that there should be conditions as part of their approval as part of the special and you are taking requests those.

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It sounds like the petitioners willing to agree to some of those and that's not an issue.

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It's a different than a conditional rezoning where a

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Partition has to offer the conditions. It's not something that the planning commission can suggest. So they're two different processes. Very good and just the Mr. Benley's point. I think we had this happen on a past

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Drive through that was originally late into the evening. I think we curtailed the hours 24 and

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Hayes I believe because of a similar thing. My only concern would be is we're thinking about this

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that I would prefer that this is either left out altogether or made a requirement not and with no offense to the petitioner not a not an open ended thing.

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I think we should either decide it's required and make it a requirement of the special end use or decide that it's not required and not put this problem.

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So just following up with that to the petitioner.

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I'm assuming that if you were going to put some sort of barrier in there that you would have to curve that exit lane into the bypass is that kind of what you're thinking is you're looking at it.

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we probably have to build is just a little bit of a lane shift if you will and then add in lane

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escaping where you see the hatching there below the stop. We'd have to add some lanes who

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make like a little bit of a lane shift around it so that we could install some kind of hedges

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or something in that nature. It seems straightforward to my eye. Obviously it's a change. Is there

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do you have concerns about it from a slight perspective?

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I don't think it's anything in some

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that's very cheap. And then it's Mr. Box, is there any concerns on the planning department

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with regards to that? This far as the headlight? No, there's ways that we could probably work

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with them to shield it if you requested that. I would also point out that it's probably, I know

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the right of way is 120 feet, the house sits back, 50, 60 feet and this is 50, 60 feet into the

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So we're talking, you know, well over 200 feet, so.

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All right.

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Thank you.

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Thank you.

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Anyone else?

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All right.

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So if I could Mr. Chairman before I forget, I wanted to point out there were a number of handouts.

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I believe Sheets brought in a handout and provided it to each of you.

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One of the residents brought in a handout and provided it to each of you.

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And then there were two emails, they're lengthy, I'm not going to read the entire thing, but there's one from an East Point resident, Jennifer and Nicholas, largely pointing out some items that she has heard sheets say or do at other locations.

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And then the other one would be from the neighboring Tina's country house, and Tina's

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in the tavern at Tina's, indicating that they have concerns with groundwater contamination

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and actually pointed out that there are no real concerns about traffic flow from my standpoint.

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It's worth mentioning that northbound traffic flow is congested at times, which I kind of touched

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on earlier, if there are no gas stations on the right-hand side, northbound traffic,

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which, according to hers, congested, we need to make a left-hand turn, which is inherently

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more dangerous.

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So, it could potentially be a convenience as well as health and safety to provide a right-hand

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turn gas station.

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So, should we handle the special radius now and then move to the site plan, or should we

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can we do both at the same time?

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Well, they need two separate motions.

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In a special land use requires you to open it to the public.

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So I would say you should do that next and then then two separate motions.

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Okay.

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That's what I thought.

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All right.

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I need a motion to open this special land use to the public.

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Mr. Bentley said, you like the motion?

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Mr. Oliver will second it?

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Okay, folks, you're in the audience if you'd like to come up to the podium and speak, you have four minutes.

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And what we do is we collect everything. We don't comment after each and every person. We collect everything and at the end. Give it to Mr. Box and he answers most of your questions.

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So let's do anyone that would like to come up and speak on the special landships?

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podiums yours

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Approach that they have name and address please 22 1 8 16 you'll drive McCone-Touch your name William D'Blair

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The approach going on 23 right turn only again like I said we're taking all of your comments

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Okay, right turn on all that term. It's close to the light

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Because I have property down where on Donner and 23 where the build one there now and that's the same deal there

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It's so close to the light you're gonna get a lot of accidents

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Someone's gonna have to die for this probably for your fixer

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Okay, that's my only complaint no, except if they have one down on 23 and Donner and you okay to unhaul road already

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So this one it's pretty close to the other one

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But it just depends on how much tax money you want.

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All right, thank you, sir.

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Anybody else?

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My name is Bill Thompson, 21133-2325, my old road.

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My primary concern on this is basically the intensity of use.

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Everything on the east side of Darthay, I don't know,

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from a 22-mal world north with the exception of Tina's residential.

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Everything down 23-mal road from North Avenue is residential.

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potential. And you're dropping this high intensity use on that corner. The CVS, they had

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to drive through there. And I don't know if they had a squat box or not. But typically a

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squat box, you have to have a 300 foot isolation from residential property. Now, the drive

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through is more than just a squat box. It's cars going through there all the time. You may

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have two or three an hour from 10 o'clock in late till 6 o'clock in the morning, but the people

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who live next door and the people who live across the street, they're going to have those cars

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going through there. The headlights, that's what's pointed out, will be a problem. But, you know, I

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live at 25 in the fall. Nice quiet corner, right? You should hear that at 2 o'clock in the morning,

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put them water cycles go through the cars race around the corner and people exit in from that

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that drives you. They're going to take off like crazy. It's going to be noisy. It's going to be where

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so that it is now. When CVS was there, their hours were restricted. If they had a, if they had

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a squad box, they would have, if they did. It was only open for my 10 o'clock in the morning

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to 5 o'clock at night. They're talking 24 hours there. I don't think it's going to prove for you.

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Thank you. Thank you, sir.

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Anyone? Come on.

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Hi, my name is Simon Zedan.

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52047 to comb and arrows drive McCombick Michigan.

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I travel this road every day back and forth day and night.

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And the traffic is just crazy at Russia over time. Now we all know we're all trying to save a buck.

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You're coming south on North Avenue. Oh, sheets is 10 cents less.

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Or do you want to be like, what's the quick left?

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What do you think happens?

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Even if you make a left at that light,

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now you've got to make a right crossing over.

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It makes no sense.

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There's already two gas stations there.

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What is the purpose of us having the sheets gas station there?

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As McComb keeps building, more and more homes,

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more and more residents.

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It's a one-lane road.

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Are you guys planning on expanding this to a highway?

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Or what's the city's intentions?

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to accommodate a third gas station.

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Why do we need it?

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I rest in my case.

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Thank you, sir.

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Anyone else?

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Absolutely, sir.

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Good evening, Members of the Commission.

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My name is Nader Jawad.

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Address is 19-04-0-24 mile road McComb.

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We're doing business in McComb Township for over 30 years.

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I want to start off, obviously, with stating my strong opposition

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to this plan. You know, I'm not just concerned about other gas stations coming in, but you

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also got to keep in mind the fact there's environmental factors, what kind of community you're

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trying to build down the road. I think it's very short-sighted thinking. We talk about the quality of

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life, it's more than just property values, which by the way, in case people are aware, they are

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going to drop with the construction of this new gas station.

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How exactly has been a fitting in the community, we're failing to really look at the long-term

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picture here, you know, it's more than just revenues and profits for corporate greed.

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You got an issue with light pollution, 24 hour noise, I mean these guys aren't going to

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make any exceptions for anybody.

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I mean, they're going to tell you what you want to hear right now, but once it gets

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you guys are on your own. We have a responsibility to build the

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township that reflects internal growth that prioritizes diversity of

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use that values of the ability.

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And I also want to touch upon a

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couple of topics. I'm going to go in chronological order. Sheets sells 88

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fuel, they're all going to the AT&T fuel, which they claim on 2001 in New

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or Model Vehicles is safe. But if you do your research, there are a lot of

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New or Model Vehicles that are having issues due to the fuel that they're using.

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Do your homework look it up? I mean, I'm not the only one saying it. Higher ethanol

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content can lead to the formation of the positive, the combustion chamber, possibly causing

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internal engine problems. You've got lower fuel economy, you've got vehicle compatibility

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and with a lot of normal vehicle, they all got different engine builds, structural components

430
00:37:19,180 --> 00:37:23,600
and there has been a lot of issues with that with sheets with which they probably will not want

431
00:37:23,600 --> 00:37:26,000
this close here today.

432
00:37:28,120 --> 00:37:31,400
Another factor to ask your mind is where is the community had a post-COVID

433
00:37:31,400 --> 00:37:36,920
the biggest complaint in this country, not just the community has been the lack of interpersonal

434
00:37:36,920 --> 00:37:45,380
relationships between businesses, corporations and the consumer. You call a service hotline

435
00:37:45,380 --> 00:37:51,640
best you're going to get automated, you know, automated voice talking, you add best.

436
00:37:53,600 --> 00:37:58,800
That's what you're looking at with sheets versus a privately owned business that knows the

437
00:37:58,800 --> 00:38:01,560
members of the community and has a personal relationship with the members of the community.

438
00:38:01,700 --> 00:38:06,380
You guys are going to lose that. Just be aware that corporate greed is running rapid at the cost

439
00:38:06,380 --> 00:38:11,160
of both consumers and privately owned small businesses. I think you guys should make the right

440
00:38:11,160 --> 00:38:16,780
decision today and put an end to that. Before you have a bigger problem on your hands down the road.

441
00:38:18,080 --> 00:38:20,980
And that's all I have to say. Thank you, sir. Yeah.

442
00:38:33,630 --> 00:38:35,730
Alan Horagelee, a 2, 3, 1, 2, 3,

443
00:38:35,750 --> 00:38:42,810
23 mile road. I own the house directly across the street from the proposed sheath site.

444
00:38:43,890 --> 00:38:50,750
And while there's already one gas station, which I do own also at the corner, putting a third one,

445
00:38:50,750 --> 00:38:54,030
which is actually, yeah, that'll be three on the corner,

446
00:38:54,450 --> 00:38:57,670
you're basically tripling the lighting values on the street.

447
00:38:59,250 --> 00:39:06,030
My question was, was a lighting plan submitted by sheets for that.

448
00:39:06,270 --> 00:39:07,070
The lighting study,

449
00:39:11,450 --> 00:39:12,730
after all, after all, after all, right.

450
00:39:15,040 --> 00:39:17,640
So basically, with the new LED systems and all of that,

451
00:39:18,900 --> 00:39:21,200
my question is, how would that affect the area?

452
00:39:21,600 --> 00:39:24,880
Because the house really is, I am directly across from them.

453
00:39:25,340 --> 00:39:30,020
My family lives there and I just wanted to know how that would impact the site.

454
00:39:30,200 --> 00:39:32,400
I mean, try putting yourself in our shoes.

455
00:39:33,680 --> 00:39:37,040
I have young kids in the front room.

456
00:39:37,300 --> 00:39:40,860
There is a family. There is a bedroom up there and that would be directly impacted.

457
00:39:42,080 --> 00:39:44,180
That's really my concern of that.

458
00:39:45,300 --> 00:39:47,440
It's not only disruptive. It's unhealthy.

459
00:39:48,060 --> 00:39:50,840
Studies show that constant exposure to artificial light.

460
00:39:50,840 --> 00:39:53,820
At night, can interfere with sleep cycles, increased stress.

461
00:39:55,920 --> 00:39:59,200
We need a development that really respects the people who already live there.

462
00:39:59,460 --> 00:40:01,260
Not proposals that disregard us completely.

463
00:40:03,420 --> 00:40:04,160
Thank you.

464
00:40:16,580 --> 00:40:20,140
My name is E. F. Sammy. I live in 211-7-4-Busper Drive.

465
00:40:20,840 --> 00:40:22,780
My concern about cheat is,

466
00:40:22,920 --> 00:40:23,600
loudspeakers.

467
00:40:24,920 --> 00:40:27,220
Everybody drive a form of their gas station.

468
00:40:27,480 --> 00:40:29,020
You can hear the loudspeaker.

469
00:40:29,600 --> 00:40:33,160
And the noise, and you don't need three guest stations on that corner.

470
00:40:33,760 --> 00:40:38,020
My kids travel in that road, and I want to make sure they're safe.

471
00:40:39,240 --> 00:40:39,800
Thank you.

472
00:40:40,480 --> 00:40:41,200
Thank you, sir.

473
00:40:47,350 --> 00:40:48,270
Anyone else?

474
00:40:52,980 --> 00:40:53,380
Good evening.

475
00:40:53,620 --> 00:40:57,200
My name is Mark Grabo, 201-2525, my road.

476
00:40:57,760 --> 00:41:00,820
Many of you know me as the former supervisor of this township.

477
00:41:01,300 --> 00:41:02,100
I'm disappointed.

478
00:41:02,760 --> 00:41:07,320
I was accused of approving a master plan saying that this was approved.

479
00:41:07,320 --> 00:41:17,020
We approved a master plan for the planned unit development throughout the community for the harmony of the people that live here.

480
00:41:18,040 --> 00:41:20,600
There was no master plans designed or changed.

481
00:41:21,300 --> 00:41:24,320
This was a corner bar for 30 years.

482
00:41:25,340 --> 00:41:27,520
It then turned into a CVS.

483
00:41:28,220 --> 00:41:29,440
This is quite area.

484
00:41:30,820 --> 00:41:35,200
How many more facilities do you need within the hometownship?

485
00:41:36,060 --> 00:41:44,760
We've got so many gas stations going in. It's ludicrous. Now, we all are humans, we all pay attention.

486
00:41:45,760 --> 00:41:50,260
Sheets has got problems going on all over the place throughout Macomb County.

487
00:41:51,180 --> 00:41:57,020
Roseville, they were in court. I know that was tossed out. Frazier. There's currently property issues there.

488
00:41:57,020 --> 00:42:02,300
McComb townships are building on top of, if I'm correct,

489
00:42:02,980 --> 00:42:08,080
Hall Road and Garfield, that is a giant sewer trunk line underneath there.

490
00:42:08,560 --> 00:42:09,760
We all know that.

491
00:42:10,500 --> 00:42:15,460
All of you sitting on this board know there's a giant trunk line underneath there.

492
00:42:15,860 --> 00:42:19,160
Apparently, the residents at 21 or excuse me,

493
00:42:19,340 --> 00:42:21,680
Hall and Grashit are very upset in the subdivision.

494
00:42:23,600 --> 00:42:25,920
As a resident, as a former supervisor,

495
00:42:25,920 --> 00:42:29,400
I look at the light pollution that you guys are talking about.

496
00:42:29,900 --> 00:42:36,160
The township itself is guilty of some of the worst light pollution and waste of money.

497
00:42:37,500 --> 00:42:44,220
Here, right here on the site and right across the street, I cannot go to bed before 11 o'clock

498
00:42:44,220 --> 00:42:51,040
midnight because the park is so noisy and lit up like a Christmas tree.

499
00:42:51,960 --> 00:42:58,440
Don't believe me? Come on sitting back here. Try about 730 in the morning on a Saturday.

500
00:42:59,060 --> 00:43:05,460
It's a little bit like a crazy, crazy zoo. It's a loudness, the craziness. What's

501
00:43:05,460 --> 00:43:11,300
going to happen here? This is going to continue. I'm asking you guys to look and consider

502
00:43:11,980 --> 00:43:20,000
this. Chesterfield Timeship just voted down a massive project. They did not comply with

503
00:43:20,000 --> 00:43:28,000
all required items. I have a hard time looking at this and seeing that this matches and

504
00:43:28,000 --> 00:43:33,040
it hits all the requirements. Please consider your vote. Thank you.

505
00:43:38,310 --> 00:43:40,710
Hello. My name is Eddie Jawad.

506
00:43:41,130 --> 00:43:49,190
I just went 904-0, 24-mile road to Macomb. And I am resident in this township. And I am a taxpayer.

507
00:43:49,730 --> 00:43:54,070
And I've been a business man and building in this township for over 30 years and investing in this

508
00:43:54,070 --> 00:43:55,630
for over three years.

509
00:43:56,370 --> 00:44:00,070
You know, when I built my gas station, I built them all

510
00:44:00,070 --> 00:44:02,370
and the corner where there's no other gas station.

511
00:44:02,830 --> 00:44:04,610
Because I feel, you know, having a gas station,

512
00:44:04,610 --> 00:44:07,590
how many gas stations do you really need in this township?

513
00:44:07,890 --> 00:44:09,570
How many you already have?

514
00:44:09,950 --> 00:44:11,670
One in the corner, active one.

515
00:44:12,030 --> 00:44:13,050
One is getting built.

516
00:44:13,310 --> 00:44:15,070
And one down there, street is getting built.

517
00:44:15,350 --> 00:44:15,830
What is this?

518
00:44:15,830 --> 00:44:17,310
It's going to be the capital of gas station.

519
00:44:17,310 --> 00:44:19,050
I live in it.

520
00:44:19,330 --> 00:44:20,550
I invested in it.

521
00:44:20,550 --> 00:44:22,430
And this is my resident and my family residents.

522
00:44:22,430 --> 00:44:26,250
And who will look from you guys, who said you behind her, is us?

523
00:44:26,630 --> 00:44:27,670
Work for us.

524
00:44:28,110 --> 00:44:30,330
Now for the special interest of the oil companies from outside,

525
00:44:30,830 --> 00:44:35,230
this attorney right here, Bob Kirk, this guy, let me tell you a story about him.

526
00:44:35,250 --> 00:44:36,270
I'm going to tell you a few stories.

527
00:44:36,990 --> 00:44:39,210
This guy right here, he represented.

528
00:44:40,930 --> 00:44:44,850
One, she's a one, and a rose of a, then he represented.

529
00:44:45,210 --> 00:44:46,590
Save attorney, represented.

530
00:44:47,090 --> 00:44:47,630
Guess what?

531
00:44:47,830 --> 00:44:49,770
She'll be down ship to approve sheets.

532
00:44:50,050 --> 00:44:50,910
That's conflict of interest.

533
00:44:50,910 --> 00:44:56,010
and it's been investigated right now. Now, you're a supervisor and then you use today, you know what I said?

534
00:44:57,710 --> 00:44:59,790
He looked at the straightened eye that news guy.

535
00:45:00,000 --> 00:45:04,860
And you told them, it was a case station before. When? It was never a gas station, not corner.

536
00:45:06,100 --> 00:45:12,160
Look at the news today and shout out to Fox News, five days, look what the supervisor said. He's a liar.

537
00:45:13,040 --> 00:45:17,580
You guys do the right things and do it for your community and for your citizens and not for that special interest.

538
00:45:17,860 --> 00:45:24,280
I don't know what happened behind the scenes with everybody. Why they're approving sheets? All the sudden this invasion from sheets?

539
00:45:24,560 --> 00:45:28,500
I don't know what's going on, but we'll dig into it. It will come to the bottom of it.

540
00:45:28,500 --> 00:45:33,840
because something's going on, because me, my self-listen, I've seen a corner vacant for the last three years.

541
00:45:34,160 --> 00:45:39,100
I could have bought it, and I would have built a gas station, but I never thought it would get approved.

542
00:45:39,620 --> 00:45:44,800
Because there are two gas stations there already. There's another one going up, another one, another one, another one.

543
00:45:44,940 --> 00:45:50,300
But that you guys doing. Do you know what you're doing? We elected you to do the right things. So do it.

544
00:45:57,180 --> 00:46:02,320
Is there anyone else who would like to speak? And it wasn't all.

545
00:46:08,200 --> 00:46:12,800
Good evening commissioners, Faye Nummer with the Meena American Chamber of Commerce.

546
00:46:14,220 --> 00:46:18,100
So one of the things that was mentioned by the Supervisor on his today.

547
00:46:19,540 --> 00:46:21,000
Start with your name and address, please.

548
00:46:21,500 --> 00:46:23,720
Faye Nummer, Meena American Chamber of Commerce.

549
00:46:24,200 --> 00:46:26,500
So we're a national organization.

550
00:46:27,420 --> 00:46:29,680
We represent businesses in the Comptownship.

551
00:46:31,160 --> 00:46:32,260
I'm sort of a lawyer who said okay.

552
00:46:33,160 --> 00:46:33,600
She can speak.

553
00:46:34,180 --> 00:46:34,200
Okay.

554
00:46:34,440 --> 00:46:34,740
I'll go ahead.

555
00:46:36,360 --> 00:46:42,680
all right thank you so one of the comments made by the supervisor on the news today

556
00:46:42,680 --> 00:46:48,840
alluded to the fact that we believe in free market and I don't think anyone in this room

557
00:46:48,840 --> 00:46:56,080
does not believe in free market I think we're all for fair competition the point that I take

558
00:46:56,080 --> 00:47:03,420
issue with is you know you mentioned what was it taburn at Tina's that's down the road you know

559
00:47:03,420 --> 00:47:10,280
100 fee feet away. Let's say this planning commission was receiving proposals for another wedding venue

560
00:47:10,280 --> 00:47:16,820
or banquet hall across the street less than 50 feet away. How would you consider that proposal

561
00:47:16,820 --> 00:47:23,380
and opposing but the same business and another one and a third one and a fourth one all within

562
00:47:23,380 --> 00:47:31,140
two to three hundred feet of one another with that be smart planning, with that be sustainable for

563
00:47:31,140 --> 00:47:36,940
businesses to all thrive. So that's something that we consider when we consider free

564
00:47:37,860 --> 00:47:43,220
market, you know, diversifying offerings to the business owners as well as to the

565
00:47:43,220 --> 00:47:47,640
residents, making sure that it aligns to the quality of life of those residents.

566
00:47:49,140 --> 00:47:53,760
So something, you know, that I urge this commission to take into consideration.

567
00:47:53,760 --> 00:48:03,360
And one of the things that was mentioned by a resident earlier is regarding semi-trucks

568
00:48:03,800 --> 00:48:05,380
that are used by sheets.

569
00:48:06,460 --> 00:48:12,340
That resident brought that up because sheets, they won't go into an area unless they're

570
00:48:12,340 --> 00:48:20,860
allowed to build almost 80,000 underground gas tanks, so 80,000 gallon gas tanks by comparison

571
00:48:20,860 --> 00:48:26,760
And the two gas stations that are across the street and could corner that was recently approved

572
00:48:26,760 --> 00:48:34,220
of this parcel, they have 24,000 and 30,000 gallon underground gas tanks.

573
00:48:34,700 --> 00:48:41,120
So imagine the vehicles that are going in to replenish the underground gas tanks, the

574
00:48:41,120 --> 00:48:43,140
type of environmental impact.

575
00:48:43,720 --> 00:48:48,740
You had tavern at Tina's bring up potential contamination to groundwater, have you taken

576
00:48:48,740 --> 00:48:55,300
into consideration. Has there been any collaboration or interaction with evil to determine

577
00:48:55,300 --> 00:49:02,280
if there's any potential environmental concerns in that area? I also heard the representative

578
00:49:02,280 --> 00:49:08,720
from Sheets talk about a car's per hour, which is laughable to be quite honest. My background

579
00:49:08,720 --> 00:49:15,740
is an accounting and finance for them to invest $9 million in a project of this size. The ROI

580
00:49:15,740 --> 00:49:19,980
needs to be there. The business case needs to make sense. And the business case for a

581
00:49:19,980 --> 00:49:24,780
gas station requires that they at least have at least, at the very least, that a minimum

582
00:49:24,780 --> 00:49:30,660
2,000 vehicles going in per day. Now they might be just referring to their drive through, but

583
00:49:30,660 --> 00:49:37,620
this is traffic that's coming in to the gas station on a daily basis. So, you know, something for

584
00:49:37,620 --> 00:49:42,660
you to consider that's on the low end. And you could, you know, ask any gas station owner for them

585
00:49:42,660 --> 00:49:45,280
to build out a gas station, what does it entail?

586
00:49:46,240 --> 00:49:49,440
And I brought up the underground gas tank.

587
00:49:49,560 --> 00:49:50,660
Why do I bring that up?

588
00:49:51,680 --> 00:49:53,820
Because when you're considering smart planning

589
00:49:53,820 --> 00:49:57,740
and sustainability and environmental considerations,

590
00:49:58,980 --> 00:50:01,820
a gas station is very hard to rehabilitate

591
00:50:01,820 --> 00:50:04,540
and redevelop into something else down the road.

592
00:50:04,580 --> 00:50:06,320
So if we put in the sheet's gas station,

593
00:50:06,340 --> 00:50:09,060
let's say it puts two other stations out of use.

594
00:50:09,060 --> 00:50:17,160
You're going to have bladed and dilapidated buildings that are very costly to renovate

595
00:50:17,160 --> 00:50:22,500
and rehabilitate into something else like a health care clinic or housing unit, something

596
00:50:22,500 --> 00:50:27,400
that would deliver quality of life to the residents that are in the vicinity.

597
00:50:28,540 --> 00:50:33,860
And then someone mentioned the fact that property values would decline and that is actually

598
00:50:33,860 --> 00:50:41,560
In fact, true, I would ask you to research the vice president of Sheet's Gary Zimmerman,

599
00:50:41,700 --> 00:50:46,740
who's at before a congressional committee just last year around the same time frame, to address

600
00:50:46,740 --> 00:50:49,220
the rising crime as Sheet's gas stations.

601
00:50:49,980 --> 00:50:55,000
So rising crime, traffic congestion, increase in accidents, what does that do to the property

602
00:50:55,000 --> 00:50:56,040
values in the vicinity?

603
00:50:56,680 --> 00:51:03,240
So I do ask the spotty to consider requiring a traffic study before coming into decision tonight.

604
00:51:03,240 --> 00:51:05,900
about one minute left, so.

605
00:51:06,060 --> 00:51:07,060
Okay, thank you.

606
00:51:07,240 --> 00:51:09,400
I appreciate the heads up on that.

607
00:51:10,040 --> 00:51:13,260
So that's something that I encourage this body, the commission,

608
00:51:13,840 --> 00:51:19,700
to ensure that there is a traffic study that is required as a part of the approval.

609
00:51:21,240 --> 00:51:31,280
And the take, you know, take heed of the former supervisors words about that they don't need all of the requirements because that is very black and white.

610
00:51:31,280 --> 00:51:36,180
You know, for special land use, they have to meet all the requirements and that they have not demonstrated

611
00:51:36,780 --> 00:51:38,860
irrefutable evidence to that effect.

612
00:51:39,360 --> 00:51:47,060
You have every right to table this to delay it to another time until you have all of your answers

613
00:51:47,060 --> 00:51:52,960
addressed or all of your questions addressed, rather, and all of your concerns, you know,

614
00:51:53,020 --> 00:51:53,600
remediated.

615
00:51:54,160 --> 00:51:57,640
So I wanted to thank you for your time and for allowing me the opportunity to speak tonight.

616
00:51:57,800 --> 00:51:58,600
Thank you.

617
00:52:04,710 --> 00:52:04,930
Thank you.

618
00:52:05,010 --> 00:52:05,610
Anyone else?

619
00:52:09,730 --> 00:52:16,230
you've had your turn, this is just my name is Greg Tavolir for 975 or thundervaciracl

620
00:52:16,230 --> 00:52:21,450
north. I'd just like to say that there was a time when people asked me where I lived,

621
00:52:21,690 --> 00:52:27,930
that's a mechanical and talent chip. I'd be proud of it. I think what the way we're going is not the correct way.

622
00:52:29,030 --> 00:52:38,250
The last thing that corner needs is a third gas station. I think the quality of life of everyone in the area will be less than if that

623
00:52:38,250 --> 00:52:41,570
stations put in there. Thank you. Thank you sir.

624
00:52:46,500 --> 00:52:48,200
And you one else it has been spoken.

625
00:52:49,880 --> 00:52:55,000
Pardon me? I see anyone else it has been spoken. Go ahead. Yeah. I

626
00:52:55,000 --> 00:52:57,840
haven't even said you're bored. I'm five zero five hundred card

627
00:52:57,840 --> 00:53:02,420
road. Sheets operates most of the states of the

628
00:53:02,420 --> 00:53:06,440
operate are predominantly corporate owned. And then we're

629
00:53:06,440 --> 00:53:10,520
there from Pennsylvania. If you look at Pennsylvania you've got

630
00:53:10,520 --> 00:53:24,760
Circle K mostly corporate own states. This is the only state, literally in the country that's owned by individuals and when they come in they don't come in and price against us.

631
00:53:24,960 --> 00:53:34,760
They price along Costco, Sam's Club. We can't compete with those. These guys give their gas away to get you in their store so they can buy you can buy their food.

632
00:53:34,760 --> 00:53:57,760
There's no way that any of these other two locations will survive as far as gas is concerned when these guys are over there, no way they cut your throat, they really do and that's how they operate, they operate that all up down the east coast and that's what they're going to do here like I said, they're not coming to compete with us.

633
00:53:57,760 --> 00:54:02,700
They're coming to compete with Costco, Sam's Club, as far as they're pricing is concerned.

634
00:54:03,460 --> 00:54:07,080
Sam's Club is 30 cents cheaper than the guy down the street.

635
00:54:07,720 --> 00:54:14,060
They're going to be Sam's Club price, so they want to get the Sam's Club customer or the Costco customer.

636
00:54:14,960 --> 00:54:17,080
And that's what they do and that's what they operate.

637
00:54:17,620 --> 00:54:22,000
And like I said, they want to get you in the store just so you can get their food and stuff, which is fine.

638
00:54:22,380 --> 00:54:26,520
But they do it in a way where it's going to hurt all these other businesses in the area.

639
00:54:26,520 --> 00:54:31,520
You got two stations there. You got one on 23 in cart. That's being built.

640
00:54:32,620 --> 00:54:38,040
One is enough enough. I think you guys today should make a commitment to all the residents.

641
00:54:38,980 --> 00:54:41,700
No more gas stations in McCone Township.

642
00:54:41,980 --> 00:54:42,760
Enough is enough.

643
00:54:51,760 --> 00:54:55,740
My heart you are at 19.040 24 mile a road.

644
00:54:56,840 --> 00:55:02,020
Pretty much following up with what everybody else said before me, being a long time McCone Township resident.

645
00:55:02,800 --> 00:55:09,340
this makes no sense. I would like after I speak I assume the last speaker for you guys

646
00:55:09,340 --> 00:55:14,100
to give an example of any anywhere in McComb County where there's an intersection like this

647
00:55:14,780 --> 00:55:22,780
that has three gas stations facing each other directly. The traffic going in that direction every day as is

648
00:55:22,780 --> 00:55:28,600
can't hold up what's already there and there's already one station that's not even operating that's being rebuilt right now.

649
00:55:28,600 --> 00:55:36,840
second, you have businesses there that are being redeveloped, being redeveloped. People who live in

650
00:55:36,840 --> 00:55:43,220
Macomb, who have businesses in Macomb, spend money in Macomb, are redeveloping in Macomb. And right

651
00:55:43,220 --> 00:55:47,080
across the street, you guys approved it, you guys can see, I know you guys gave them hell, but the

652
00:55:47,080 --> 00:55:51,120
Chilbox being built right across the street, they're reinvesting into the township, and you're going

653
00:55:51,120 --> 00:55:58,120
to throw this out of town, and I've heard this feel before, I went to the Shelby township

654
00:55:58,120 --> 00:56:03,480
meetings, I've been to the other meetings. It's a lot of BS. Okay, a lot of people are not happy on a lot of townships.

655
00:56:03,660 --> 00:56:09,200
So to throw this in the face of people who put money, pretty much built this, built this building that we're in right now.

656
00:56:09,400 --> 00:56:13,660
They've been doing business 30, 40 years of a calm township and makes no sense.

657
00:56:13,960 --> 00:56:28,100
Makes no sense at all. So consider that. I'd like to hear if you guys have any example of what I mentioned if there's any

658
00:56:28,580 --> 00:56:35,120
You have two gas stations, you have the one on 23 and card that's investing a lot of money into a very beautiful building there.

659
00:56:35,500 --> 00:56:38,660
They have everything and more than what you're going to get in the sheets.

660
00:56:38,760 --> 00:56:41,440
The sheets provides nothing to this township. Absolutely nothing.

661
00:56:42,040 --> 00:56:45,160
They are not bringing anything new to town. That's facts.

662
00:56:47,160 --> 00:56:53,140
So I would, you know, as a resident and a, you know, someone who's on business and been raised in the township for 30 years,

663
00:56:53,300 --> 00:56:56,540
I would implore you guys to turn this down. It's a no-brainer. Thank you.

664
00:56:56,540 --> 00:56:58,000
Thank you.

665
00:57:03,700 --> 00:57:04,260
Anyone else?

666
00:57:13,620 --> 00:57:17,660
My name is Marlene Thompson at 21133-25-mile row.

667
00:57:18,180 --> 00:57:22,020
I have been a resident in this area for 77 years.

668
00:57:22,720 --> 00:57:23,840
I have seen growth.

669
00:57:24,660 --> 00:57:31,000
I have seen businesses now that exist, who she meets, the two gas stations on the corner.

670
00:57:31,140 --> 00:57:38,840
Tina's Chairman, the country house, that have been supportive of our families and many instances

671
00:57:39,540 --> 00:57:46,680
in sports, in our charitable fundraising, they have been there for us and we as residents need

672
00:57:46,680 --> 00:57:52,500
to be there for them for the existing people that have helped us so much along the way and not

673
00:57:52,500 --> 00:57:57,860
to have something come in that's going to tear their businesses down, slow their businesses down.

674
00:57:58,440 --> 00:58:03,420
We need to be there for them and you as a board have got to realize that they have been here

675
00:58:03,420 --> 00:58:11,080
first. We have been here first. We need to be there for them as they have been here for us.

676
00:58:11,480 --> 00:58:12,320
Thank you.

677
00:58:18,570 --> 00:58:19,150
Anyone else?

678
00:58:22,430 --> 00:58:24,670
No. No. We've got one shot.

679
00:58:26,840 --> 00:58:30,210
Anyone else? All right. Commissioner's, I need

680
00:58:30,210 --> 00:58:36,030
a motion to close the public portion. So we'll move by Mr. Oliver and seconded by Mr. Bentley,

681
00:58:36,030 --> 00:58:42,390
Well, the paper, and you want to post, public portion is now closed.

682
00:58:43,030 --> 00:58:43,710
Mr. Box.

683
00:58:44,510 --> 00:58:48,250
Thank you Mr. Chairman and question. I got a long list here. I'll try to answer to the

684
00:58:48,250 --> 00:58:55,210
best of my ability. I think the first question was about a right turn only. The current

685
00:58:55,210 --> 00:59:02,030
CVS operated for close to 20 years with left-hand right turns. I'm not aware that it was

686
00:59:02,030 --> 00:59:08,830
overly dangerous use but regardless the county road department handles roads and they have

687
00:59:08,830 --> 00:59:12,790
to work with them to have their access to the site and they would be the one that would decide

688
00:59:12,790 --> 00:59:20,030
if it's a right turn only or not not the township. With regards to the 300 foot

689
00:59:21,690 --> 00:59:31,750
requirement for a squat box so I think it was stated that there's no speaker there's no

690
00:59:31,750 --> 00:59:33,570
box, as it's written in the ordinance,

691
00:59:35,590 --> 00:59:39,510
with regards to traffic, somebody had a comment about

692
00:59:39,510 --> 00:59:47,690
self-bound traffic making left-hand turns into sheets being dangerous. I don't see how that's

693
00:59:47,690 --> 00:59:52,550
any more dangerous than left-hand northbound traffic that currently exists into the current gas stations.

694
00:59:53,630 --> 00:59:59,850
But again, we don't control the traffic, the county road department does, they're their roads, and the next

695
01:00:00,000 --> 01:00:13,240
I don't have listed here as the expanded roadway. Yes, I would assume that at some point North Avenue would be widened to five lanes. When I don't know, but it certainly carries enough traffic that at some point it probably will do that.

696
01:00:14,460 --> 01:00:24,760
There was a question about ED, octane fuel. I don't, I'm not an expert on fuel, so I'm not going to try to address whether that's safe or unsafe.

697
01:00:26,020 --> 01:00:34,640
But I guess I would compare it to whether it's healthy for your vehicle, I would compare it to, you know, items that any other person can buy at a grocery store.

698
01:00:34,840 --> 01:00:39,780
I mean, you can buy a whole milk or you can buy a skill milk. You can make your own decisions about what you put in your vehicle.

699
01:00:41,640 --> 01:00:48,320
Corporate greed. Again, I don't think there's anything in the ordinance that discusses corporate greed. I don't think that's anything in our purview this evening.

700
01:00:49,320 --> 01:00:52,980
There was some discussion about the house across the street.

701
01:00:53,140 --> 01:01:00,980
It sounds like they may be amenable to some screening items for that house.

702
01:01:01,640 --> 01:01:08,540
There was a point about the master plan, the previous master plan, so this site has been

703
01:01:08,540 --> 01:01:13,680
commercial and proposed commercial, master plan commercial for a long, long time.

704
01:01:14,460 --> 01:01:28,460
And in fact there was a gas station at this location before I didn't live here then I can defer to a couple folks on the planning commission that we're here and they can confirm that there was in fact a gas station at this location prior to the CVS.

705
01:01:29,660 --> 01:01:30,780
Sir, sir.

706
01:01:31,640 --> 01:01:32,020
A bit important.

707
01:01:32,680 --> 01:01:38,460
There was some comments about what happened in Fraser, Roseville, Chester Field.

708
01:01:39,120 --> 01:01:41,540
Again, those are not relevant.

709
01:01:41,540 --> 01:01:46,420
this is McCone Township. We have a set of rules. We have an ordinance. That's what we

710
01:01:46,420 --> 01:01:51,080
compared what they're submitting to. And it sounds like maybe Chesterfield denied something,

711
01:01:51,240 --> 01:01:56,080
because it didn't comply. If they didn't comply with our ordinance, we would be recommending denial this

712
01:01:56,080 --> 01:02:00,040
evening as well. As far as,

713
01:02:02,440 --> 01:02:04,320
let's see, guest station.

714
01:02:08,430 --> 01:02:10,610
Oh, another, another wedding venue. It was

715
01:02:10,610 --> 01:02:17,710
question that, if another wedding venue went down the street, would we allow it to compete?

716
01:02:18,770 --> 01:02:22,010
I guess I would point to Grasher Avenue in Macomb Township.

717
01:02:22,270 --> 01:02:25,450
We have a Taco Bell in Macdonalds and Arby's of Burger King.

718
01:02:26,150 --> 01:02:28,510
I don't see them complaining about competition.

719
01:02:30,370 --> 01:02:34,470
And if the ordinance allows it in the zoning category, that's our job.

720
01:02:34,470 --> 01:02:36,770
My job as a planning director is to uphold the ordinance.

721
01:02:37,390 --> 01:02:39,790
The ordinance allows certain uses within zoning categories.

722
01:02:39,790 --> 01:02:41,930
this being one of those uses.

723
01:02:44,550 --> 01:02:49,470
The underground gas tank size, again, I'm not an expert on fuel, largely underground fuel.

724
01:02:49,870 --> 01:02:53,590
Anything to do with fuel is controlled by the state of Michigan, not in the cone township.

725
01:02:54,430 --> 01:02:59,210
If they felt it was unsafe, I'm sure that they would step in and say, no, that it can't be

726
01:02:59,210 --> 01:03:01,510
whatever size it is that they're asking for.

727
01:03:03,330 --> 01:03:05,170
There was a question about the drive-through numbers.

728
01:03:05,610 --> 01:03:09,770
I don't know the sheets of business plan. I would defer that question to them.

729
01:03:11,590 --> 01:03:17,390
It was stated that redevelopment of an old gas station is very difficult and almost impossible

730
01:03:17,390 --> 01:03:18,270
to do.

731
01:03:18,830 --> 01:03:25,510
I would literally across the street to a BP station that was torn down and is now being redeveloped

732
01:03:25,510 --> 01:03:31,110
in addition to CVS was developed, where a gas station was previously 24 in Hays.

733
01:03:31,250 --> 01:03:35,970
We have a right A that's now out of business, but it was a gas station prior to that.

734
01:03:35,970 --> 01:03:39,210
So it definitely can be done and has been done in this township.

735
01:03:40,710 --> 01:03:46,350
Traffic study was requested, the roads along again to the county department of roads, not

736
01:03:46,350 --> 01:03:51,330
to the township, I'll defer to the applicant if they requested you to do a traffic study.

737
01:03:51,450 --> 01:03:53,650
But again, that would be their purview not ours.

738
01:03:54,930 --> 01:03:59,710
And then lastly, the price of fuel, again, competition is not something that's in our ordinance

739
01:03:59,710 --> 01:04:02,690
and that we wear a decision based upon.

740
01:04:02,690 --> 01:04:09,090
It was mentioned that, you know, Costco and Sam's Club prices are 30 cents a gallon cheaper

741
01:04:09,090 --> 01:04:13,490
in the guy that then the guy down the street sounds like that guy down the street is still

742
01:04:13,490 --> 01:04:14,150
in business though.

743
01:04:14,710 --> 01:04:19,410
So, obviously businesses survive whether they're at the same price or different prices.

744
01:04:20,010 --> 01:04:22,550
But again, price of fuel is not in our ordinance.

745
01:04:22,670 --> 01:04:26,770
It's not a criteria that we approve or disapproved based upon.

746
01:04:28,070 --> 01:04:28,950
That's it.

747
01:04:29,130 --> 01:04:31,010
Thank you, Mr. Box, commissioners.

748
01:04:31,750 --> 01:04:32,930
No, sir.

749
01:04:32,930 --> 01:04:33,450
I hope.

750
01:04:34,510 --> 01:04:34,590
Sir.

751
01:04:34,970 --> 01:04:36,830
Give it to the attorney.

752
01:04:38,050 --> 01:04:42,250
You had an opportunity to speak.

753
01:04:42,410 --> 01:04:44,090
You need to sit down.

754
01:04:44,690 --> 01:04:45,750
You need to sit down.

755
01:04:46,690 --> 01:04:48,830
You need to sit down.

756
01:04:50,130 --> 01:04:51,050
Just sit down.

757
01:04:52,930 --> 01:04:53,310
Sir.

758
01:04:53,650 --> 01:04:54,520
You need to sit down.

759
01:04:55,390 --> 01:04:57,070
You need to sit down.

760
01:04:57,630 --> 01:04:58,410
You got a target?

761
01:04:58,610 --> 01:04:58,910
Okay.

762
01:04:59,330 --> 01:04:59,510
Sir.

763
01:05:00,230 --> 01:05:06,130
That's your joy would you like to leave the meeting because you're invited to leave. We have we have share share to ask where you all

764
01:05:08,910 --> 01:05:11,250
No, it feels settled down and I don't want to delete

765
01:05:16,570 --> 01:05:21,670
Because of you that's enough because you're screaming in you're approaching our board and it's at your out of order

766
01:05:22,630 --> 01:05:23,070
Sir

767
01:05:23,610 --> 01:05:24,050
Sir

768
01:05:26,290 --> 01:05:27,330
Okay, Mr. Doada

769
01:05:28,950 --> 01:05:36,490
Okay, Mr. Mr. doada. He can leave just have him leave. I think he might have to leave get him out of here

770
01:05:39,650 --> 01:05:41,050
Get him up.

771
01:05:45,330 --> 01:05:47,010
Screaming y'all in your out of order, get out.

772
01:05:47,010 --> 01:05:47,590
Get him up.

773
01:05:47,890 --> 01:05:48,810
He's a shit.

774
01:05:50,420 --> 01:05:50,960
And many times.

775
01:05:52,220 --> 01:05:53,220
All in a couple of things.

776
01:05:54,400 --> 01:05:55,520
Anytime Mr. Joy.

777
01:05:55,960 --> 01:05:56,380
What?

778
01:05:56,780 --> 01:05:57,300
What?

779
01:05:58,900 --> 01:05:59,420
Okay.

780
01:06:05,810 --> 01:06:06,330
Missioners.

781
01:06:07,690 --> 01:06:07,890
There we go.

782
01:06:08,010 --> 01:06:08,670
The other comments.

783
01:06:10,350 --> 01:06:11,790
Mr. Spanner for it.

784
01:06:19,380 --> 01:06:25,980
During the public portion, one of our residents, or maybe a couple of them brought up the idea.

785
01:06:25,980 --> 01:06:33,160
of community, for at least the impression to me as far as other businesses, how they reinvest in

786
01:06:33,160 --> 01:06:39,400
our community. It begs the question not directly to the site plan or special land use, but I would

787
01:06:39,400 --> 01:06:46,880
like to know to what extent has sheets locally, perhaps statewide or around the country, how

788
01:06:46,880 --> 01:06:54,440
has sheets participated and maybe reinvested in the community they do business and if you wouldn't

789
01:06:55,700 --> 01:06:59,900
Absolutely. Sheets loves to be the best neighbor we can be in our communities. It's very

790
01:06:59,900 --> 01:07:04,620
important to us. We do things at quite a few levels. One of the things I'd like to point

791
01:07:04,620 --> 01:07:09,360
out first is donations to local food banks. We've done it here locally in Michigan with

792
01:07:09,360 --> 01:07:14,240
forgotten harvest. We made some major donations. Just food insecurity is something that's really

793
01:07:14,240 --> 01:07:19,140
important to sheets and it's something we continue to make investments in. One of the other ways

794
01:07:19,140 --> 01:07:24,360
we show that is at all of our grand openings. We make donations to local food banks. So we continue

795
01:07:24,360 --> 01:07:28,520
to do that. We also donate food from our stores and run some food drives and things of that

796
01:07:28,520 --> 01:07:34,520
nature. So food insecurity is something we always give back to in our communities. In

797
01:07:34,520 --> 01:07:39,280
addition to that, one of our biggest partnerships is with special Olympics, both national, state,

798
01:07:39,400 --> 01:07:44,260
and local. So we donate at all three levels and at all of our brand of things. We also do a nice

799
01:07:44,260 --> 01:07:50,640
donation to special Olympics on a local level. So we've got a lot of partnerships like that. In addition

800
01:07:50,640 --> 01:07:56,800
into that, sheets of sheets of the kids, every year, at Christmas time, 16 kids that are under

801
01:07:56,800 --> 01:08:01,720
privileged, are helped out by sheets of employees we go out and buy Christmas presents

802
01:08:01,720 --> 01:08:06,420
and things that they need, Christmas time, it's a very nice organization. When you look

803
01:08:06,420 --> 01:08:12,540
at it, 16 doesn't sound like very many, but 16 times 750, it's 12,000 kids, it's pretty incredible.

804
01:08:12,920 --> 01:08:20,100
So we like to give back on all levels. Mr. Chairman, if I may follow up further, our community

805
01:08:20,100 --> 01:08:27,420
here McComb Township has a very thriving and active parks and recreation program located right

806
01:08:27,420 --> 01:08:33,200
across the street from where we're in this meeting room. Wood sheets consider and I do know

807
01:08:33,200 --> 01:08:40,140
they have a lot of different sponsorships at a lot of different levels that benefit a lot

808
01:08:40,140 --> 01:08:48,580
of residents and our children in this community which sheets be open and amenable to engage in

809
01:08:48,580 --> 01:08:53,760
sponsorship with our parks and recreation department. I can't make a commitment to

810
01:08:53,760 --> 01:08:57,340
night and however I would love to connect with that department in that team and we

811
01:08:57,340 --> 01:09:00,980
can get them in touch with our field therapy team over at sheets and we can

812
01:09:00,980 --> 01:09:04,260
make that connection and they can have a discussion. We regularly make donations

813
01:09:04,260 --> 01:09:08,280
to things especially for our children's events and things of that nature so I'm

814
01:09:08,280 --> 01:09:11,760
sure that that would be a fantastic partnership we'd love to be connected. I think that

815
01:09:11,760 --> 01:09:17,700
can be arranged with giving you the appropriate context to the folks over there as well.

816
01:09:17,700 --> 01:09:19,760
Okay, that's all I have for now.

817
01:09:19,940 --> 01:09:20,860
All right, thank you.

818
01:09:20,860 --> 01:09:21,760
This is a good question.

819
01:09:22,620 --> 01:09:25,300
It was somewhat of an allegation about fuel.

820
01:09:25,400 --> 01:09:27,860
Can you kind of describe you fuel?

821
01:09:28,160 --> 01:09:33,860
Just declared air on what brand, what style, a fuel to use?

822
01:09:34,800 --> 01:09:37,940
So all of the fuel that we use is available anywhere.

823
01:09:38,460 --> 01:09:40,980
So for instance, the EPA is approved on late at 88.

824
01:09:41,300 --> 01:09:43,080
That that is an EPA approved blend.

825
01:09:43,260 --> 01:09:45,760
It's something we do sell, not all of our customers buy it.

826
01:09:45,760 --> 01:09:51,060
All that means is it has up to 15% ethanol, you know, as far as any kind of mechanical issues

827
01:09:51,060 --> 01:09:56,800
I'd prefer people back to their owners of any other vehicle, but it is generally safe for vehicles after a certain age.

828
01:09:57,600 --> 01:10:06,720
We also sell E0, which is Rec Fuel, we sell Premium 8789 diesel, so we don't sell anything that's not available on the open market.

829
01:10:07,240 --> 01:10:10,640
There's nothing special, it is all EPA approved blends and fuel.

830
01:10:10,640 --> 01:10:16,080
We, in fact, buy our fuel at the same locations that other people either fuel so it's not anything

831
01:10:16,920 --> 01:10:22,100
Different than what's out on the open market. It's all the fuels that we buy it

832
01:10:22,100 --> 01:10:26,600
The neighboring gas station gas station on the street mobile x on

833
01:10:26,600 --> 01:10:35,830
EP is basically the same fuel. Yes, okay, sir. No, sir. No

834
01:10:36,610 --> 01:10:41,390
Some of them can be blended on site like there's but all all the product is avails sir

835
01:10:41,390 --> 01:10:43,310
you can't speak American.

836
01:10:45,950 --> 01:10:50,770
Sir, you cannot speak now. That's the third time. I'm not going to say it.

837
01:10:51,030 --> 01:10:54,850
I just want to remind the crowd we have a process and procedure. We had public comment.

838
01:10:56,090 --> 01:10:59,830
There's people that understand what sheets business model is. They had opportunity to discuss that

839
01:10:59,830 --> 01:11:06,890
at public comment. So we are not allowing the crowd to take just make comments. It's not a process here.

840
01:11:07,150 --> 01:11:11,010
We're answering the questions that the Planning Commission has. It's an orderly process.

841
01:11:11,010 --> 01:11:17,130
If you can't follow what then you'll be excused. We just want a peaceful meeting. That's all we want. Okay

842
01:11:17,130 --> 01:11:20,270
Thank you Mr. Loyal. Okay, Mr.

843
01:11:20,610 --> 01:11:21,030
Okay,

844
01:11:24,070 --> 01:11:32,170
I just want to follow up on these guys. You know people takes you sit 80,000 gallons and someone talked about other places are pointing the 30,000

845
01:11:32,170 --> 01:11:35,150
Is that regulated by the EPA or government?

846
01:11:36,350 --> 01:11:43,030
So musta, which is a portion of Eagle, regulates all underground USDs in the state of Michigan.

847
01:11:43,350 --> 01:11:49,510
It's really common at modern new fuel stations to have something of this nature because of the different types of fuel you sell.

848
01:11:49,530 --> 01:11:57,530
You know, premium 87 diesel, wreck fuel, the ethanol. So there's multiple different types of fuel, different vehicles are out on the road nowadays.

849
01:11:58,370 --> 01:12:01,890
So, you know, gas stations of old did have fewer gas tanks and smaller capacities.

850
01:12:01,890 --> 01:12:11,710
I would also know our sites a little bit bigger, so the other portion of this is it's a good thing for customers because it keeps the number of fuel drops lower

851
01:12:11,710 --> 01:12:19,630
So if you have a small tank, right, you have to have more fuel drops. It doesn't make a lot of sense if you can come and just drop it entire tank or fuel

852
01:12:19,630 --> 01:12:28,370
less frequently. It's fewer trucks on site fewer loading requires. It makes a lot of sense. It's just more efficient. It keeps fewer trucks on the road

853
01:12:28,370 --> 01:12:29,910
all those kind of things

854
01:12:29,910 --> 01:12:32,150
So, a lot of it's about efficiency.

855
01:12:33,350 --> 01:12:37,450
From the safety standpoint, sheets and stalls, one of the best UST systems in the market.

856
01:12:37,950 --> 01:12:41,350
It's one of the best in the country, so we spare no expense.

857
01:12:44,820 --> 01:12:44,940
Okay.

858
01:12:44,960 --> 01:12:45,560
Another question.

859
01:12:45,680 --> 01:12:46,300
Yes, sir.

860
01:12:46,440 --> 01:12:48,120
Will there be diesel at these pumps?

861
01:12:48,380 --> 01:12:48,640
Yes.

862
01:12:49,040 --> 01:12:49,480
How many?

863
01:12:51,400 --> 01:12:53,540
It would be at least the ends.

864
01:12:53,840 --> 01:12:57,300
I would have to talk to our patrol and team of the CO2 ones they are deciding to put on,

865
01:12:57,460 --> 01:12:59,900
but it's multiple pumps that will have diesel availability.

866
01:13:03,510 --> 01:13:08,070
You're set up to accommodate a large truck or mainly small vehicles.

867
01:13:08,950 --> 01:13:13,270
Just for our own stored deliveries, we have the ability to get a truck on site to our

868
01:13:13,270 --> 01:13:15,710
loading zones, and out that's all we're doing.

869
01:13:15,910 --> 01:13:19,890
We don't accommodate to any kind of large truckers coming into our site, they're not intended

870
01:13:19,890 --> 01:13:20,450
to come here.

871
01:13:20,890 --> 01:13:23,550
This is your neighborhood can be a store, you know, we're not looking to bring trucks

872
01:13:23,550 --> 01:13:24,650
onto the site in any way.

873
01:13:25,730 --> 01:13:26,040
Thank you.

874
01:13:28,850 --> 01:13:35,490
to Techfield. It's true, I'm not that good. I just want to try to reset us back to what we're here for this evening.

875
01:13:35,490 --> 01:13:44,430
I feel like we've had a lot of going in different directions. Mr. Box, before us, this evening is a special land use in a site plan, is that correct?

876
01:13:44,530 --> 01:13:50,310
Correct. And the special land use is with regards to the outdoor storage outdoors sales.

877
01:13:50,310 --> 01:13:56,710
Some are sales, rather, thank you. On the west side of the proposed building and the drive-through use, is that correct?

878
01:13:56,710 --> 01:14:11,910
Yes, the southwest corner of the building is the outdoor sales, which would be like ice and propane, which virtually every gas station has and the drive through use, which is mostly in the same location that the CVS drive through was.

879
01:14:14,450 --> 01:14:16,710
This property is currently owned commercial, correct?

880
01:14:17,190 --> 01:14:18,190
C2, that's correct.

881
01:14:18,690 --> 01:14:25,330
And as a matter of right within C2, the petitioner, if they own the property are allowed at gas station use, is that correct?

882
01:14:25,330 --> 01:14:30,850
correct. So the question here this evening is not whether or not they're allowed to put a gas station in,

883
01:14:30,930 --> 01:14:37,370
but whether or not their site plan abides by organisms. That's accurate. That's correct. And then this

884
01:14:37,370 --> 01:14:44,010
board has the variable decision to decide if the special land use meets a certain set of criteria,

885
01:14:44,190 --> 01:14:50,190
specifically whether there is allable outdoor sails and a drive through. That's all accurate.

886
01:14:50,430 --> 01:14:55,310
That's what we're here for this evening. That's correct and I would take it once to further and say that

887
01:14:56,750 --> 01:14:59,970
especially in user requesting the drive through in the outdoor sales app.

888
01:15:00,000 --> 01:15:12,640
We're now shown on the site plan, so if the board were to deny those items, I think the site plan itself would either need to be denied or become a move point because it shows items that it would no longer be allowed.

889
01:15:13,100 --> 01:15:26,290
Okay. And if we can go back to some period of time ago when you gave your review, can you summarize whether or not it is the opinion of the plan and commission that the site plan meets the ordinance.

890
01:15:26,290 --> 01:15:29,510
It is a staff opinion that it meets the ordinance, yes.

891
01:15:29,650 --> 01:15:36,670
There are a few outstanding items that is mostly labeling that the engineering department would like.

892
01:15:37,130 --> 01:15:42,610
So if this were to be recommended for approval, they would like a contingent upon these items.

893
01:15:43,510 --> 01:15:45,990
But otherwise, they are, yes, they are meeting the ordinance.

894
01:15:48,370 --> 01:15:50,790
I just want to give one brief summary to the crowd.

895
01:15:50,950 --> 01:15:52,910
I appreciate when everyone comes out.

896
01:15:52,910 --> 01:15:56,790
where you don't see this many people in our audience that often.

897
01:15:57,310 --> 01:15:58,970
A number of you are recognizable to me.

898
01:15:59,090 --> 01:16:01,070
I've said I'm the ZBA in the Planet Commission for while.

899
01:16:01,610 --> 01:16:05,070
So many of you have had projects here and I recognize a lot of faces in the crowds.

900
01:16:05,150 --> 01:16:07,170
I appreciate you all coming out.

901
01:16:08,310 --> 01:16:11,710
I'm going to approach this vote tonight the way I approach all the votes that I approach.

902
01:16:12,410 --> 01:16:15,390
I try to understand if the applicant is meeting the ordinance.

903
01:16:16,230 --> 01:16:18,570
Try to understand all the guidelines and I see if it passes.

904
01:16:18,570 --> 01:16:20,870
if it's variable, I should have made a good faith

905
01:16:20,870 --> 01:16:22,950
effort to meet that variability.

906
01:16:24,590 --> 01:16:27,370
It's often considered that we ignore comments

907
01:16:27,370 --> 01:16:28,490
that come before this board.

908
01:16:29,150 --> 01:16:33,430
And I think maybe sometimes the misunderstanding

909
01:16:33,430 --> 01:16:36,570
is that when a comment is not relevant to what we're trying

910
01:16:36,570 --> 01:16:39,330
to decide, there may not be an answer relevant to it.

911
01:16:39,330 --> 01:16:40,990
I want to thank Mr. Thompson.

912
01:16:41,070 --> 01:16:42,210
Mr. Thompson got up.

913
01:16:42,270 --> 01:16:43,950
He's been a longtime engineer in the township.

914
01:16:44,010 --> 01:16:46,450
I think his was one of the only comments that I heard,

915
01:16:46,450 --> 01:16:48,610
which was relevant to our decisions tonight.

916
01:16:49,030 --> 01:16:50,790
Now, I may disagree with his conclusion,

917
01:16:51,430 --> 01:16:52,910
but I appreciate his professionalism.

918
01:16:52,950 --> 01:16:54,190
And that's what we listen for.

919
01:16:54,310 --> 01:16:56,830
We listen to here, is there something here

920
01:16:56,830 --> 01:16:58,830
where the site plan doesn't meet the ordinance?

921
01:16:59,490 --> 01:17:01,870
Or whether the special land use doesn't meet the ordinance?

922
01:17:02,350 --> 01:17:04,970
I think there was some mention that perhaps

923
01:17:04,970 --> 01:17:07,710
one of the former officials of the township

924
01:17:07,710 --> 01:17:10,530
referenced where the special land use did meet.

925
01:17:11,130 --> 01:17:14,010
I didn't hear anything where the special land use was not.

926
01:17:14,010 --> 01:17:17,930
The as requested was not meeting our guidelines, so

927
01:17:18,570 --> 01:17:20,650
a lot of emotion I understand it

928
01:17:22,110 --> 01:17:29,170
But we don't go by emotion we go by does this meet the ordinance and just like all the other developments that various of you have had before us

929
01:17:29,170 --> 01:17:33,650
This is not going to be based on whether this board likes or doesn't like it

930
01:17:33,650 --> 01:17:38,350
It's going to be based on whether it passes the guidance and guidelines that it's supposed to be so

931
01:17:38,350 --> 01:17:45,450
I just want to explain my vote, and appreciate that everybody came in and gave their comments, and that's all I have a second name string.

932
01:17:45,830 --> 01:17:46,990
Thank you, Mr. Togfield.

933
01:17:48,050 --> 01:17:48,470
Mr. Roy.

934
01:17:49,030 --> 01:17:49,470
Yes.

935
01:17:51,330 --> 01:17:54,270
This, this, this side of the, it's come before us tonight.

936
01:17:55,170 --> 01:17:56,230
If we said no.

937
01:17:57,930 --> 01:17:59,210
What's the alternative?

938
01:17:59,610 --> 01:18:00,790
What happens then?

939
01:18:02,880 --> 01:18:09,240
Well, you have a petition before you that meets the current zoning, and there's a recommendation by

940
01:18:09,240 --> 01:18:18,400
the department that the site plan meets all the ordinances I guess you would have to find

941
01:18:18,400 --> 01:18:23,200
that it doesn't in terms to reject the site plan.

942
01:18:25,220 --> 01:18:27,660
If they were to fall suit then if they were

943
01:18:27,660 --> 01:18:31,680
to show that it did then that would be detrimental to the township's position and defense of

944
01:18:31,680 --> 01:18:37,440
that lawsuit in terms of the special land use discretionary in terms of whether they meet those standards

945
01:18:38,480 --> 01:18:45,080
The panel can determine whether or not you know a drive-through in that location meets those.

946
01:18:45,240 --> 01:18:50,940
That's more difficult for the petitioner to challenge in court because there's some discretion in terms of those factors.

947
01:18:52,580 --> 01:19:03,780
It could be detrimental to the touch of position as there's a previous drive-through that existed there and I think there's one across the street and it could be wrong in the gas station.

948
01:19:04,620 --> 01:19:09,540
So, the questions are you picking and choosing brands versus really looking at the factors?

949
01:19:11,020 --> 01:19:16,820
So, I think the second there, one has more discretion and, you know, could be defensible in court.

950
01:19:17,680 --> 01:19:22,940
If the appropriate reasons are cited in the record as to why you would deny that special anus

951
01:19:22,940 --> 01:19:26,140
and I would ask you to articulate those if you choose to do so.

952
01:19:28,360 --> 01:19:31,180
But, that's really our legal position, I think, on the matter.

953
01:19:32,960 --> 01:19:38,860
So, as far as, you know, they meet all the guidelines, they meet all the ordinance, they

954
01:19:38,860 --> 01:19:48,220
meet the master plan for us to say, no, again, I think what you said could be detrimental

955
01:19:48,220 --> 01:19:49,460
to the township.

956
01:19:49,820 --> 01:19:55,540
To be difficult to defend, I mean, I was like litigating cases in court and I don't

957
01:19:55,540 --> 01:19:59,660
like to lose, but I'm not saying that it's a great position for the township to be in.

958
01:19:59,660 --> 01:20:08,640
got you. Okay, thank you. Anyone else? Mr. Bentley. One of the comments that was made was regarding

959
01:20:08,640 --> 01:20:13,900
the light pollution, the lighting levels are going to go up and such lighting levels,

960
01:20:14,100 --> 01:20:16,580
her lighting levels, period.

961
01:20:18,640 --> 01:20:27,660
But I guess to resolve that, if your design as it goes through

962
01:20:27,660 --> 01:20:37,780
design development now. It must meet our nuisance and our our noise ordinances, which

963
01:20:37,780 --> 01:20:45,840
would include in our lighting as well. And if those aren't met, our your lighting

964
01:20:45,840 --> 01:20:56,460
levels such that can be adjusted to meet those zoning ordinances because that would

965
01:20:56,460 --> 01:21:06,700
another condition I would put on any kind of decision made that your design, lighting, noise,

966
01:21:06,880 --> 01:21:26,440
gases, any of the noocenses would all meet our requirements for cold as well as our

967
01:21:26,440 --> 01:21:38,460
If not, and we'll work with staff to adjust that. A couple of things I do want to know that we have provided shielding on our lighting to help reduce any kind of light trespass off of our site.

968
01:21:38,660 --> 01:21:44,060
In addition, all of our site is, you know, top end modern lighting, it's got all all down lighting.

969
01:21:44,560 --> 01:21:47,660
Almost all of it is dark sky compliant, other than the flight polite.

970
01:21:48,580 --> 01:21:53,560
So we really do take a lot of care to do tasteful lighting plants appropriate, but tasteful lighting plants.

971
01:21:54,940 --> 01:22:02,700
Okay. Any other comments from them? I just want to ask Mr. Box. Would the gas stations cross

972
01:22:02,700 --> 01:22:04,300
the street? Would they have a right to?

973
01:22:04,960 --> 01:22:10,200
The one that's currently open, yes, has a drive through and then one that's under construction

974
01:22:10,200 --> 01:22:12,320
has been approved for a drive through. Yes.

975
01:22:14,890 --> 01:22:18,130
I do want to just make one record and even though

976
01:22:18,130 --> 01:22:23,410
he was out of order, there are several petitions here signed against the sheets gas station.

977
01:22:23,410 --> 01:22:25,550
we should just make sure that's part of the record.

978
01:22:26,630 --> 01:22:28,510
The petition, and I'll just read it.

979
01:22:28,550 --> 01:22:30,510
It says petition to opposed sheets gas station.

980
01:22:30,950 --> 01:22:33,030
We, the under signer, deeply concerned about the plan

981
01:22:33,030 --> 01:22:35,610
to build a sheets gas station at the South East corner

982
01:22:35,610 --> 01:22:37,610
of 23 mile road in North Avenue.

983
01:22:37,970 --> 01:22:40,570
The reason cited are increased traffic and accidents,

984
01:22:40,810 --> 01:22:43,370
loss of property value, noise and light pollution

985
01:22:43,370 --> 01:22:44,250
and overall safety.

986
01:22:44,470 --> 01:22:46,870
I haven't counted the signatures or we haven't verified them,

987
01:22:46,910 --> 01:22:48,490
but there's many signatures here.

988
01:22:48,970 --> 01:22:50,690
So, you're happy to look at this if you want to

989
01:22:50,690 --> 01:22:51,630
before the close record.

990
01:22:51,630 --> 01:23:01,790
Thank you, Mr. Lairwell. Mr. Benley. Mr. Box. Hearing this thrown about and we often hear it

991
01:23:01,790 --> 01:23:07,750
for any kind of development that it's going to lower our property values.

992
01:23:10,970 --> 01:23:14,810
Is there any, is there any valid research

993
01:23:16,370 --> 01:23:23,490
that can support that statement you hear a lot, but you're right we do hear that a lot.

994
01:23:23,710 --> 01:23:30,410
I have not personally done any research with regards to whether something lowers property

995
01:23:30,410 --> 01:23:36,130
values and is it lower the property values of adjacent properties only within quarter mile

996
01:23:36,130 --> 01:23:41,690
half mile I don't know. I guess the same would hold true for the one that's under construction

997
01:23:41,690 --> 01:23:44,550
and the one that already exists, are they lowering property values,

998
01:23:46,730 --> 01:23:48,170
but whether or not it lowers

999
01:23:48,930 --> 01:23:53,670
property values is not a criteria in the zoning ordinance.

1000
01:23:55,890 --> 01:23:58,350
Understand, thank you.

1001
01:24:00,420 --> 01:24:04,320
Mr. Chairman, if I could, Mr. Hawaii mentioned there are some petitions. I would like to

1002
01:24:04,320 --> 01:24:09,080
come through them if I could. Sure. If there was a thousand residents, I'd like to at least take

1003
01:24:17,120 --> 01:24:24,980
I think for the record we need to go on statement, we need to receive and file them on the petition.

1004
01:24:27,910 --> 01:24:31,710
I thought we just did with Mr. Lawyer's comments about that.

1005
01:24:32,210 --> 01:24:33,010
It's going to get to that.

1006
01:24:33,010 --> 01:24:34,510
I think that makes it.

1007
01:24:34,650 --> 01:24:35,610
We're going to keep them around.

1008
01:24:37,150 --> 01:24:38,430
It's just better for.

1009
01:24:39,450 --> 01:24:45,910
With respect to the lighting and the proposed 24-7 operations,

1010
01:24:47,490 --> 01:24:55,050
with your other sites, is the lighting always on or are there hours as far as when the lights

1011
01:24:55,050 --> 01:25:01,410
come out and when lights go off. Can you explain that? Sure, because we are a 24 hour operation,

1012
01:25:01,810 --> 01:25:05,530
the lights would be on all the time, which is really common for commercial properties, even if they

1013
01:25:05,530 --> 01:25:10,530
don't operate 24-7. But because we have that concern of having people on the site, we would operate

1014
01:25:10,530 --> 01:25:12,030
is lights 24-7.

1015
01:25:14,370 --> 01:25:20,810
Is the lighting strength more potent at nighttime versus daytime or

1016
01:25:20,810 --> 01:25:27,210
is there any difference? The lighting will turn off during the day. There would be one

1017
01:25:27,210 --> 01:25:31,470
consistent, you know, when the lights are on, they would have a consistent level of output.

1018
01:25:32,990 --> 01:25:38,330
So they won't dial up and down at different times of the day. They're either on or off per

1019
01:25:38,330 --> 01:25:41,110
that lighting plan and then during the day they would be turned off.

1020
01:25:41,110 --> 01:25:43,230
They would be turned off during the day.

1021
01:25:45,210 --> 01:25:45,650
All

1022
01:25:49,170 --> 01:25:49,610
right.

1023
01:25:49,730 --> 01:25:51,730
I get a quick question to Mr. Bax.

1024
01:25:52,930 --> 01:25:56,490
Do you recall if the chill box across street does being built?

1025
01:25:56,710 --> 01:25:57,750
Is that 24-hour?

1026
01:25:58,930 --> 01:26:00,670
I don't know off the top of my head.

1027
01:26:00,810 --> 01:26:04,130
I believe most of if not all of their locations are 24 hours.

1028
01:26:04,250 --> 01:26:05,550
I don't know about the drive through.

1029
01:26:05,570 --> 01:26:08,410
I don't know what their proposed use that that drive through is.

1030
01:26:08,410 --> 01:26:12,070
But I believe most of their gas stations are 24 hours.

1031
01:26:12,830 --> 01:26:14,090
Thank you.

1032
01:26:14,090 --> 01:26:17,350
And the other station at that corner is at 24 hours.

1033
01:26:17,510 --> 01:26:19,530
I believe the fuel is 24 hours.

1034
01:26:20,530 --> 01:26:21,210
Thank you.

1035
01:26:23,460 --> 01:26:24,680
Mr. Chairman, if I could.

1036
01:26:26,900 --> 01:26:31,740
Mr. Box, I believe the individual who left these conditions is no longer in the building.

1037
01:26:32,720 --> 01:26:34,400
I'm just noticing, thumbing through them.

1038
01:26:35,000 --> 01:26:39,160
There's some amount of addresses outside of the township and some amount of

1039
01:26:39,160 --> 01:26:44,240
that just say petition on them, I'm not entirely sure if they're relevant to this item.

1040
01:26:44,380 --> 01:26:47,220
I assume in the air because the person left them are.

1041
01:26:47,660 --> 01:26:50,440
If you have contact with them at some point after the meeting,

1042
01:26:50,500 --> 01:26:55,080
I would be interested if you could provide, like, a list of residents within the township

1043
01:26:55,080 --> 01:26:56,500
who decided it's very unclear to me.

1044
01:26:56,720 --> 01:26:59,020
There's a name which is not very easy to read.

1045
01:26:59,340 --> 01:27:01,860
A street address, sometimes I saw an alganac in there.

1046
01:27:01,960 --> 01:27:04,320
I saw a port here on in there. I saw a number of different cities.

1047
01:27:04,320 --> 01:27:09,500
So if you have contact with them, I would be interested the number of McComb township residents

1048
01:27:09,500 --> 01:27:12,600
who signed petition, because that's very difficult for me to tell from here.

1049
01:27:13,700 --> 01:27:14,040
Thank you.

1050
01:27:19,150 --> 01:27:19,830
All right, folks.

1051
01:27:21,530 --> 01:27:23,530
Any other discussion from the commissioners?

1052
01:27:25,130 --> 01:27:25,350
All right.

1053
01:27:27,010 --> 01:27:27,670
Pardon me?

1054
01:27:27,990 --> 01:27:35,430
Are you, if there's discussion, I would, I would like to have a concise list of the things

1055
01:27:35,430 --> 01:27:46,690
that we need to put as conditions if in fact we're going to put this up for in kind of

1056
01:27:46,690 --> 01:27:47,170
there.

1057
01:27:49,780 --> 01:27:50,920
Okay, so what do you have?

1058
01:27:51,280 --> 01:27:54,980
So, but we need to do, I believe this special lady is first, correct?

1059
01:27:55,380 --> 01:27:57,580
Yes, special lady should go first, that's correct.

1060
01:27:59,580 --> 01:28:01,280
Anyone want to make the motion?

1061
01:28:06,140 --> 01:28:07,080
I will give it a try.

1062
01:28:07,080 --> 01:28:10,440
Okay. No guarantees.

1063
01:28:14,790 --> 01:28:22,350
I make a motion to approve the special land uses as presented for the sheet's

1064
01:28:22,350 --> 01:28:31,770
McCone North special land use located on the southeast corners 23 mile road and North Avenue.

1065
01:28:31,770 --> 01:28:45,090
Section 24, permanent parcel, 0-8, 24, 1-0-1, 0-1-6, MC development holdings, LLC Petitioner,

1066
01:28:51,000 --> 01:29:01,980
the following conditions that a screen be placed at the north end of the

1067
01:29:04,220 --> 01:29:09,160
drive-through stack to shield lighting.

1068
01:29:11,340 --> 01:29:14,480
from residents across the street

1069
01:29:17,140 --> 01:29:26,560
and that the design, meat, our nuisance, and noise ordinances.

1070
01:29:42,520 --> 01:29:50,880
And that we do this based on the fact that all applicable ordinance standards are met,

1071
01:29:50,880 --> 01:29:59,960
And that the uses will match other corners on the same intersection and that.

1072
01:30:02,480 --> 01:30:05,780
It meets our master plan as well.

1073
01:30:07,660 --> 01:30:13,860
Sport. Okay. Motion to approve, especially Andrews, fine, Mr. Bethley.

1074
01:30:14,740 --> 01:30:19,620
Supported by Mr. Topfield. Mr. Bethley, would you please call the roll?

1075
01:30:21,140 --> 01:30:21,340
Yes.

1076
01:30:24,600 --> 01:30:28,680
Okay. Mr. Brentley? Yes. Mr. Topfield?

1077
01:30:28,960 --> 01:30:35,460
Yes. Mr. Spadafore? Yes. Mr. Marley? Yes. Mr. Hardy?

1078
01:30:35,460 --> 01:30:38,080
Yes, Mr. Oliver. Yes.

1079
01:30:40,900 --> 01:30:46,520
Motion passes. Okay. The next item would be the approval of the site play.

1080
01:30:49,630 --> 01:30:50,610
Do you have any one?

1081
01:30:53,620 --> 01:30:56,460
I don't have a problem making the motion although I don't have the printout.

1082
01:30:56,960 --> 01:31:03,620
Yeah, you do essential. Yes, this one. So I want to make sure that all the stuff was summarized from the.

1083
01:31:04,220 --> 01:31:04,660
Yeah,

1084
01:31:08,460 --> 01:31:13,540
and I'm going to give it a second for the audio as it looks like we have some people leaving and the doors can interfere with the microphone.

1085
01:31:13,540 --> 01:31:15,780
so I'm going to give it just a moment. It's my ingredient.

1086
01:31:21,630 --> 01:31:32,570
Mr. Chairman, I'd like to make a motion to approve the site plan for the parcel 0824101016 at 23 mile north of Avenue.

1087
01:31:33,150 --> 01:31:37,090
She's become north of the MC development, holding the LLC petitioner.

1088
01:31:37,790 --> 01:31:43,150
This approval will be contingent on the fact that the applicant will submit a revised site plan

1089
01:31:43,150 --> 01:31:46,730
where they will address the labeling of the drain easement.

1090
01:31:46,730 --> 01:31:52,630
For us repats and that all areas required to be sorted and irrigated will be shaded accordingly.

1091
01:31:53,490 --> 01:31:58,770
Additionally, that is noted that the dumpster enclosure will have the correctly angled cap.

1092
01:32:00,190 --> 01:32:04,070
This motion is based upon all of what we've heard this evening.

1093
01:32:04,470 --> 01:32:07,450
The department reviews the public comment.

1094
01:32:07,970 --> 01:32:14,670
In fact, that to my belief that the site plan meets all applicable ordinances.

1095
01:32:15,830 --> 01:32:17,210
I'll second that motion.

1096
01:32:17,930 --> 01:32:22,670
Okay, Mr. Chairman, if I could, I think it was asked if they were willing to remove

1097
01:32:22,670 --> 01:32:26,210
the eight trees along 23 mile and they were amenable.

1098
01:32:26,230 --> 01:32:28,350
I think that should be listed as a condition as well.

1099
01:32:31,600 --> 01:32:36,180
I would like to, if I could, Mr. Chairman, I'd like to do a discussion on the motion

1100
01:32:36,180 --> 01:32:36,860
that I can revise.

1101
01:32:36,960 --> 01:32:41,360
I don't think Mr. Spadaford were supported to the petitioner.

1102
01:32:41,480 --> 01:32:42,400
If I could, Mr. Chairman.

1103
01:32:45,270 --> 01:32:55,510
I'm seeing as the applicant would be responsible for a place in the concrete and that the trees would potentially shield some of the light pollution that's discussed here.

1104
01:32:55,890 --> 01:33:06,970
I do not feel maybe as strong as others, that this is necessary, but I'm open to the opinion of the board, but I'm asking you, does she have a preference based on what you're here tonight on those trees?

1105
01:33:07,950 --> 01:33:10,230
You know, in this case, we're open to some discussion.

1106
01:33:10,870 --> 01:33:13,670
I think it is nice to get a landscaping package that is cohesive.

1107
01:33:13,990 --> 01:33:19,450
Obviously, we're maintaining a lot of existing vegetation on the east side for obviously buffering reasons.

1108
01:33:20,410 --> 01:33:24,990
You know, to get a cohesive landscaping plan that has similar trees, you know,

1109
01:33:25,210 --> 01:33:28,510
appropriate levels of size and maintenance as well.

1110
01:33:28,770 --> 01:33:32,850
We would like to generally remove them if that is something the board doesn't want to see.

1111
01:33:33,250 --> 01:33:34,050
We're open to that discussion.

1112
01:33:36,180 --> 01:33:39,800
discussion on the motion, is there any other relative to that particular item?

1113
01:33:40,200 --> 01:33:43,720
I personally feel that the trees are beneficial for the site to go with a light

1114
01:33:43,720 --> 01:33:48,780
pollution, and if the applicant has to replace concrete, I would rather see more trees

1115
01:33:48,780 --> 01:33:54,620
than worse personally. Okay, I can agree to that. What do you all say? I would, I would

1116
01:33:54,620 --> 01:34:02,840
concur, I feel that trees are a nice amenity to have as long as there's an understanding

1117
01:34:02,840 --> 01:34:10,780
that if the trees have to be removed due to utility work or roads that have, it's their cost.

1118
01:34:12,020 --> 01:34:14,780
And just confirming the applicants recognize that.

1119
01:34:20,180 --> 01:34:22,200
Mr. Box is just going back on this real briefly.

1120
01:34:22,900 --> 01:34:28,400
I want to make sure that in the interest of aesthetic pleasing aesthetics we're not being foolish here.

1121
01:34:28,440 --> 01:34:32,400
Are you okay with this? Are my overlooking is it only the sidewalk that we're concerned about?

1122
01:34:32,540 --> 01:34:37,440
That was the only comment from Mr. Johnson, the DPW director, was with regards to this sidewalk.

1123
01:34:38,880 --> 01:34:42,440
The trees do not, you know, whether they're there or not,

1124
01:34:42,920 --> 01:34:44,780
either way, does not violate the ordinance.

1125
01:34:45,640 --> 01:34:48,160
I understand that they want a cohesive look.

1126
01:34:48,520 --> 01:34:50,560
Staff is fine with that.

1127
01:34:50,640 --> 01:34:52,340
Mr. Johnson just made the recommendation

1128
01:34:52,340 --> 01:34:54,760
that maybe they consider moving them.

1129
01:34:55,840 --> 01:34:57,400
Just go ahead there.

1130
01:34:58,700 --> 01:35:02,500
I guess my current opinion would be to leave the motion as it stands.

1131
01:35:03,260 --> 01:35:04,460
Unless anybody else had a objection.

1132
01:35:05,260 --> 01:35:07,420
Just to follow up to the petitioner.

1133
01:35:07,420 --> 01:35:14,560
that maybe you could talk to an hour list or treat expert and we could get a tree that's

1134
01:35:14,560 --> 01:35:19,460
just not going to explode. It's not going to have it to deep roots. There are varieties

1135
01:35:19,460 --> 01:35:27,940
out there. They could solve and satisfy both issues here. So, just to put that to the

1136
01:35:27,940 --> 01:35:29,880
record that you will do that.

1137
01:35:30,280 --> 01:35:34,340
Yeah, I'd be willing to work with staff and our links, let's keep our text to put together

1138
01:35:34,340 --> 01:35:36,920
a perfect package, to me that doesn't need to.

1139
01:35:37,060 --> 01:35:41,100
I think the field of the board is that we all like the trees.

1140
01:35:44,160 --> 01:35:51,380
So it's maybe the variety of trees that you choose that would be more safer to the environment

1141
01:35:51,380 --> 01:35:56,380
to the sidewalk than won't deep route and I'll lift the sidewalk.

1142
01:35:56,480 --> 01:35:57,920
That's the issue here.

1143
01:35:58,460 --> 01:36:01,320
It's not to do with the shading or aesthetics.

1144
01:36:02,080 --> 01:36:07,900
Okay, and either way, so at the repair of the sidewalk, that's like they're going to be responsible for this.

1145
01:36:08,460 --> 01:36:16,420
Okay, so Mr. Turfield made a motion and we're let it stand as it was presented, and I supported by Mr.

1146
01:36:29,660 --> 01:36:30,220
Wilstand,

1147
01:36:30,220 --> 01:36:30,800
Yes.

1148
01:36:31,720 --> 01:36:32,380
Mr. Marley.

1149
01:36:33,400 --> 01:36:33,860
Mr. Oliver.

1150
01:36:34,300 --> 01:36:34,420
Yes.

1151
01:36:35,220 --> 01:36:36,500
Mr. Stampass simply.

1152
01:36:37,280 --> 01:36:37,720
All right.

1153
01:36:38,420 --> 01:36:39,200
Pardon me.

1154
01:36:39,620 --> 01:36:40,640
I hadn't voted yet.

1155
01:36:40,860 --> 01:36:41,420
Oh, I'm sorry.

1156
01:36:42,040 --> 01:36:42,440
Go ahead.

1157
01:36:43,380 --> 01:36:43,620
Yes.

1158
01:36:45,440 --> 01:36:45,700
Okay.

1159
01:36:46,040 --> 01:36:46,620
Oh, Stampass.

1160
01:36:47,880 --> 01:36:48,420
All right.

1161
01:36:49,240 --> 01:36:49,900
Thank you very much.

1162
01:36:49,960 --> 01:36:50,300
Works out.

1163
01:36:50,320 --> 01:36:50,880
I didn't come to come to come to come.

1164
01:36:50,880 --> 01:36:51,100
Thank you.

1165
01:36:55,660 --> 01:37:00,340
The next item is public comments on none.

1166
01:37:05,560 --> 01:37:12,660
It's been suggested that we have a two to four-minute recess, so if we'll come back in about...

1167
01:37:12,660 --> 01:37:15,300
We'll come back in 10 after our eight on the clock.

1168
01:37:15,580 --> 01:37:16,340
This is behind you.

1169
01:37:17,280 --> 01:37:17,760
All right,

1170
01:41:44,560 --> 01:41:44,800
so...

1171
01:41:44,800 --> 01:41:47,220
Public comments are nine agenda items.

1172
01:41:47,760 --> 01:41:49,720
If you have a comment you'd like to make,

1173
01:41:50,120 --> 01:41:52,300
I had a feeling, come on up to the podium.

1174
01:41:52,300 --> 01:41:56,980
state your name and address for the record and go ahead.

1175
01:41:57,400 --> 01:41:58,520
Got four minutes.

1176
01:41:58,540 --> 01:42:02,420
One, two, one, eight, six, Daniel, drive, 24 mile in card.

1177
01:42:03,400 --> 01:42:05,180
You're a name, don't I need to name two.

1178
01:42:05,180 --> 01:42:05,880
You need to name two.

1179
01:42:07,200 --> 01:42:07,460
Okay.

1180
01:42:08,100 --> 01:42:11,680
You're talking about public comments and not agenda items, right?

1181
01:42:12,220 --> 01:42:17,780
So when you're going to spend some money on a bike path, a bike path.

1182
01:42:19,660 --> 01:42:22,520
like Shelby, like other communities.

1183
01:42:23,000 --> 01:42:25,840
You're not spending money on sidewalks at all.

1184
01:42:26,240 --> 01:42:27,580
I got 12 bikes.

1185
01:42:27,920 --> 01:42:28,660
I ride my bike.

1186
01:42:28,680 --> 01:42:30,720
I got to get off and go on the street.

1187
01:42:30,980 --> 01:42:32,120
Get off and go on the street.

1188
01:42:32,400 --> 01:42:33,260
Get off and go on the street.

1189
01:42:33,320 --> 01:42:35,000
I can't even ride down to the bridge,

1190
01:42:35,180 --> 01:42:36,580
down by the new bushings.

1191
01:42:37,020 --> 01:42:39,200
Because if sidewalk doesn't go that far.

1192
01:42:40,520 --> 01:42:41,280
Now, what's going to happen?

1193
01:42:41,500 --> 01:42:41,720
Nothing at all.

1194
01:42:41,860 --> 01:42:42,620
Bacon or nuts?

1195
01:42:42,900 --> 01:42:43,560
The people are on.

1196
01:42:43,580 --> 01:42:45,200
Are you going to make them put a sidewalk?

1197
01:42:47,560 --> 01:42:47,800
Okay.

1198
01:42:48,700 --> 01:42:48,920
Okay.

1199
01:42:49,300 --> 01:42:50,240
I knew you'd done.

1200
01:42:50,240 --> 01:42:52,120
I know you've been to Mr. Box.

1201
01:42:52,640 --> 01:42:53,020
What's that?

1202
01:42:53,280 --> 01:42:53,900
After after coming.

1203
01:42:54,940 --> 01:42:56,820
You're jumping all over in paving spots.

1204
01:42:57,080 --> 01:42:59,240
I see that people didn't have a sidewalk here.

1205
01:42:59,440 --> 01:43:01,080
They'd go 10 or 15 years ago.

1206
01:43:01,240 --> 01:43:01,980
They'd make it in paving.

1207
01:43:02,680 --> 01:43:05,000
But if you're only continuing that because of the school.

1208
01:43:07,140 --> 01:43:09,380
But you don't have any sidewalks here.

1209
01:43:10,860 --> 01:43:11,800
That's all I have.

1210
01:43:11,960 --> 01:43:12,240
Okay.

1211
01:43:12,500 --> 01:43:12,980
Thank you.

1212
01:43:13,200 --> 01:43:13,960
And it's appreciated.

1213
01:43:14,500 --> 01:43:16,160
Thank you.

1214
01:43:16,340 --> 01:43:18,160
Mr. Box, did you want to address?

1215
01:43:18,820 --> 01:43:21,980
Oh, we have somebody else. I'm sorry. Mr. Thompson.

1216
01:43:24,260 --> 01:43:27,140
Bill Thompson, 21133, 2325 Mahabod.

1217
01:43:27,940 --> 01:43:32,000
My only question and this is something that's been bugging me for months. How come Mr.

1218
01:43:32,060 --> 01:43:40,040
Bentley never reads a rule the same time twice? I'm sorry. How come you never need to read the roll call the same time twice?

1219
01:43:40,860 --> 01:43:42,520
You jump around like a jackrabbit.

1220
01:43:44,540 --> 01:43:44,900
Thank you.

1221
01:43:48,540 --> 01:43:59,320
I can, I can answer, no, you can't, no, you can't, no, you can't, no, you can't, no, you can't, no, we have another person coming up to speak. Yes.

1222
01:43:59,740 --> 01:44:03,560
Yes. Stephanie Tuckfield, 2-3-1-7-1, Aliim Amnumakom, Michigan.

1223
01:44:04,720 --> 01:44:11,540
As a resident of this township, I just want to say I've attended a lot of meetings here, and I really appreciate our Board of Commissioners.

1224
01:44:11,540 --> 01:44:18,280
You guys are very good at being considerant of what we have to say as residents taking in the facts

1225
01:44:18,280 --> 01:44:24,000
But also voting on the ordinances despite what your personal feelings might be one way or another

1226
01:44:24,000 --> 01:44:29,680
And I just want to say as a resident. I really appreciate that. I appreciate that you guys give us

1227
01:44:29,680 --> 01:44:34,820
Consistent results every single time and that's because it's not based on your own personal feelings

1228
01:44:34,820 --> 01:44:41,160
or our own personal feelings. It's based on the ordinances. We've put together in this township and I really appreciate

1229
01:44:41,160 --> 01:44:44,520
you guys, I just wanted you to know that. I sat through a lot of meetings. I've never

1230
01:44:44,520 --> 01:44:49,160
said anything and I felt like tonight was a good time to say that. So thank you all very

1231
01:44:49,160 --> 01:44:57,020
much. We appreciate you. Thank you, Stephanie. Thank you, Mrs. Talkfield. We appreciate it. Okay. Anything else?

1232
01:44:57,240 --> 01:44:59,960
Anybody else? Ma'am, did you have anything you wanted?

1233
01:45:00,000 --> 01:45:02,180
Okay. You'll

1234
01:45:04,550 --> 01:45:29,810
pay for that later. All right, commissioners comments. Can't, if I could, Mr. Chair. Can I try to answer some of these questions? So, Mr. DeBlare, I know he's left the room. But so, every new development, we require a sidewalk or an eight-foot pathway if it's on a major roadway, is an absolute requirement of any new development on any road frontage.

1235
01:45:30,410 --> 01:45:35,030
In addition to that, we have a sidewalk gap closure program where the township was committed

1236
01:45:35,030 --> 01:45:37,950
a million dollars a year to closing gaps.

1237
01:45:38,330 --> 01:45:40,250
Obviously, some are more important than others.

1238
01:45:40,450 --> 01:45:42,430
He mentioned some areas near schools.

1239
01:45:42,750 --> 01:45:44,190
We do try to close those first.

1240
01:45:44,970 --> 01:45:45,990
But he's not wrong.

1241
01:45:46,090 --> 01:45:49,630
There are some areas of the township where there's large gaps that are missing.

1242
01:45:50,330 --> 01:45:55,330
Either it's because they haven't been developed to a point where a sidewalk would be needed

1243
01:45:55,330 --> 01:46:02,810
Or oftentimes, if it's, you know, maybe a smaller parcel that's kind of out in the middle of a larger gap,

1244
01:46:03,710 --> 01:46:09,030
they may do something split a parcel or something that triggers a requirement for the sidewalk,

1245
01:46:09,550 --> 01:46:15,450
but they may ask for what's called a sidewalk of bands, which means when we're ready, we can ask them,

1246
01:46:15,690 --> 01:46:20,330
okay, now you have to put that sidewalk in. So there are a lot of those sitting out there,

1247
01:46:21,090 --> 01:46:28,010
when it makes sense that they'll connect with something will ask for that but we do have

1248
01:46:28,010 --> 01:46:32,750
sidewalks where we understand there's areas we don't but we are actively trying to fill

1249
01:46:32,750 --> 01:46:39,450
those holes. Mr. Thompson is coming about he's jumping all over. I'll defer to Mr.

1250
01:46:39,550 --> 01:46:43,390
Belly to answer the question but I guess my opinion would be that's a good thing.

1251
01:46:49,830 --> 01:46:50,310
It's

1252
01:46:50,310 --> 01:46:54,470
a lot of pressure on the same person over and over and over again if you read it the same way

1253
01:46:54,470 --> 01:46:59,070
and the same goes for maybe there's a few commissioners who are on the fence and they're not

1254
01:46:59,070 --> 01:47:02,510
sure how they're going to vote and they want to hear how other people vote if they're put

1255
01:47:03,170 --> 01:47:09,590
to vote first it puts pressure on them and so by mixing it up I think that is excellent and that

1256
01:47:09,590 --> 01:47:15,930
I think that's a good thing to do. I think so in other words Mr Betley you're doing excellent

1257
01:47:18,990 --> 01:47:27,390
I was told that it was a good thing to do for those very reasons and so I have to have a

1258
01:47:27,390 --> 01:47:34,770
list in front of me in different orders so they don't repeat so that I don't make that mistake

1259
01:47:34,770 --> 01:47:42,430
and so everybody's wondering and we have bats you know about who's going to be called next but

1260
01:47:42,430 --> 01:47:47,570
No, not really, we don't, but

1261
01:47:52,050 --> 01:47:58,610
I think for the reason for this McCollum township, yeah, almost.

1262
01:47:59,630 --> 01:48:01,170
Okay, let's try and move on, commission.

1263
01:48:01,210 --> 01:48:05,070
I just want to ask quick question here that the prior gentleman, but the bike path,

1264
01:48:05,470 --> 01:48:10,910
what about the township trying to get a grant or something for extended bike path?

1265
01:48:11,010 --> 01:48:11,910
I thought we talked about it.

1266
01:48:12,710 --> 01:48:15,270
We used to go six months ago, something like that.

1267
01:48:16,390 --> 01:48:27,870
So we're working on grant funding for a to support the county's greenway program so we're trying to acquire property along the North branch of the Clinton River as much as we can.

1268
01:48:28,170 --> 01:48:39,350
Some day will there be a path there sure that maybe decades away that's I mean that's six maybe seven miles worth of river that flows through this township that we need property on.

1269
01:48:39,350 --> 01:48:47,330
or both sides of and and make it connected and before any trail system goes in but that's I think that's what you're referring to and yes

1270
01:48:47,330 --> 01:48:53,250
we are we're making progress. We've received a few grants. We bought what is now Lucido Park

1271
01:48:53,910 --> 01:48:59,890
which would be part of that so we're actively trying to piece things together but it's going to take a long time.

1272
01:48:59,890 --> 01:49:00,230
Okay.

1273
01:49:01,430 --> 01:49:01,570
There.

1274
01:49:02,290 --> 01:49:03,070
Anyone else?

1275
01:49:03,710 --> 01:49:04,110
Commissioners.

1276
01:49:04,310 --> 01:49:05,250
Come on, Mr. Chairman.

1277
01:49:07,610 --> 01:49:09,090
Two things this evening.

1278
01:49:09,450 --> 01:49:12,170
Thing number one, I would follow up on what Mr. Bentley said.

1279
01:49:12,830 --> 01:49:14,710
Calling roll call in a different order is very important.

1280
01:49:15,430 --> 01:49:19,930
I can mention a Mr. Thompson later, but I remember the first parcel when I was a new

1281
01:49:19,930 --> 01:49:21,190
Secretary for the Planning Commission.

1282
01:49:21,830 --> 01:49:23,330
The vote mattered a lot to me.

1283
01:49:23,330 --> 01:49:24,270
I knew it was going to be close.

1284
01:49:25,290 --> 01:49:26,570
I whipped the board before in.

1285
01:49:26,630 --> 01:49:28,970
I knew where the votes were going to be.

1286
01:49:28,970 --> 01:49:33,610
And I called the roll call, and it ended up being 6 to 1 instead of 4 to 3.

1287
01:49:33,930 --> 01:49:37,490
And I look back at it, it was exactly because the way I called the roll call.

1288
01:49:38,190 --> 01:49:42,610
And I went and I started reading about it and it's a very well known thing that you should randomize it,

1289
01:49:42,810 --> 01:49:48,170
because you can manipulate a vote based on what way you do roll call.

1290
01:49:48,650 --> 01:49:50,550
So, Mr. Bentley, I really appreciate it.

1291
01:49:50,570 --> 01:49:52,170
He comes with a pre-printed list.

1292
01:49:52,530 --> 01:49:53,850
He doesn't think of it on the fly.

1293
01:49:54,290 --> 01:49:58,090
And every roll call, he goes down to the X when it calls it in that order with the exception of it.

1294
01:49:58,090 --> 01:50:03,430
So it's a real thing, I've seen it, and I still laugh, I remember who was here, I remember

1295
01:50:03,430 --> 01:50:06,650
how it went down, and it was funny, because the end of it, everybody was like, who's

1296
01:50:06,650 --> 01:50:08,830
that tuck field character, who's voted against the whole board?

1297
01:50:08,930 --> 01:50:11,970
I was like, it was four, three, and so I called it in that order.

1298
01:50:13,010 --> 01:50:16,470
So I appreciate Mr. Mentally doing that, and yes, experience.

1299
01:50:17,370 --> 01:50:21,130
The second thing I did want to just briefly touch on, I didn't bring it up during the item

1300
01:50:21,130 --> 01:50:27,850
earlier, because frankly, I believe most people in the audience were not going to be too

1301
01:50:27,850 --> 01:50:31,510
concern with any other facts besides whether or not the gas station was going to be competitive

1302
01:50:31,510 --> 01:50:33,450
with them.

1303
01:50:34,530 --> 01:50:39,010
But I did have a lot of people who are not gas stations owners who have expressed concerns about

1304
01:50:39,010 --> 01:50:41,050
the number of gas stations in the township.

1305
01:50:42,250 --> 01:50:44,950
I'm a data person, I analyze that's what I do.

1306
01:50:46,270 --> 01:50:50,110
So I spent some time and I pulled some data on this.

1307
01:50:50,470 --> 01:50:57,830
I used, hopefully, what's a good data source, it was a list of licensed motor fuel outlets from

1308
01:50:57,830 --> 01:51:04,370
state of Michigan. They list every single in theory, licensed in whole states. It was

1309
01:51:04,370 --> 01:51:09,390
current as of about two or three months ago, so fairly current. And then I also used a list

1310
01:51:09,390 --> 01:51:14,190
off from the US census with population in land and square miles. I took all the municipalities

1311
01:51:14,190 --> 01:51:19,050
in the county, plus a few that we commonly compare with elsewhere, such as Canton, La Bonia,

1312
01:51:19,630 --> 01:51:23,730
Troy, and I threw in Rochester Hills because it just seems like we're one. And I looked

1313
01:51:23,730 --> 01:51:30,250
the number of gas stations versus the population versus the square miles. So, within this list

1314
01:51:30,250 --> 01:51:36,270
it showed that McCone Township had 16 active fuel license within it, and that would be relative

1315
01:51:36,270 --> 01:51:43,050
to our 91,000 population. That's about one gas station for every 5700 residents or about

1316
01:51:43,050 --> 01:51:49,590
0.41 gas stations per square mile. And let me just read out, so we have 16 currently, obviously,

1317
01:51:49,590 --> 01:51:54,790
got more coming. You can if you want to. I think Mr. Box had pulled it up.

1318
01:51:56,840 --> 01:51:57,680
I have it in front of me.

1319
01:51:57,680 --> 01:52:03,500
I just sorted it by gas stations high to low. So Warren has 67 sterling heights has 36.

1320
01:52:03,800 --> 01:52:12,020
Clinton, township has 37. Canton has 19. Levonia has 39. Troy is 25. Shelby is 22 and what I found was

1321
01:52:12,020 --> 01:52:17,740
generally was the average of about one gas station for every 3000 residents or about 1.5 gas

1322
01:52:18,540 --> 01:52:25,280
So, not that I have advocating for a significant increase in gas stations, but I was concerned

1323
01:52:25,280 --> 01:52:30,500
that where we were with it, and I guess once I looked at the data, my feeling was that,

1324
01:52:30,500 --> 01:52:36,540
by this indication, as an overall rule, we are not vastly over-indowed with gas stations

1325
01:52:36,540 --> 01:52:37,120
as it stands.

1326
01:52:38,040 --> 01:52:41,540
So, this is the data I could pull up from Google.

1327
01:52:42,120 --> 01:52:45,560
Obviously, we have gas stations owners in here who have other interest in it, probably have

1328
01:52:45,560 --> 01:52:49,460
better data than I would be certainly interested if somebody else had different numbers but

1329
01:52:49,460 --> 01:52:54,380
this was what I was able to pull from public sources just looking into it. So I just wanted

1330
01:52:54,380 --> 01:52:58,440
to share it with the planning commission because it's something I know I've been hearing from

1331
01:52:58,440 --> 01:53:02,120
other residents who aren't connected for other any other reasons same man. Sure seems like we

1332
01:53:02,120 --> 01:53:08,800
got a lot of gas stations going in. And that's all I have to see. All right.

1333
01:53:13,380 --> 01:53:14,540
Yeah, thank you for these

1334
01:53:14,540 --> 01:53:17,100
tech field and the ZBA group report.

1335
01:53:17,540 --> 01:53:19,860
Mr. Chairman, we have a meeting of this coming Thursday.

1336
01:53:20,020 --> 01:53:23,680
It is a sign exception, which is not the same as the sign variance, and we'll be

1337
01:53:23,680 --> 01:53:26,400
looking at that item Thursday evening, and I will, you know, how it goes?

1338
01:53:27,780 --> 01:53:28,060
All right.

1339
01:53:29,400 --> 01:53:37,680
Next is the co-toucher board of trustees, liaison up to Mr. Charles out.

1340
01:53:38,080 --> 01:53:39,420
Thank you, Mr. Harvey.

1341
01:53:39,420 --> 01:53:48,600
a couple of quick things. Brian Mooters has been broken in our maintenance department and he was promoted

1342
01:53:48,600 --> 01:53:55,500
to the head maintenance or in the parking act department. Been working there a long time and

1343
01:53:55,500 --> 01:54:03,940
deserves it. A very good employee. We bring on four new part-fig fire fighters. That was one thing we did.

1344
01:54:03,940 --> 01:54:15,000
The bathrooms at the corners park, we're going to renovate them, approximately 73,000.

1345
01:54:16,240 --> 01:54:25,940
And we are putting a new slide in the aquatic water park that will be approximately 306,000 dollars.

1346
01:54:25,940 --> 01:54:32,540
And it sounds like a lot of money for a slide, but with all the new rules, regulations,

1347
01:54:33,560 --> 01:54:36,520
the slide is over 20 years old, so is it really?

1348
01:54:36,780 --> 01:54:38,400
Yeah, so we got our use out of it.

1349
01:54:39,540 --> 01:54:43,280
Is there a part of it that's for a barrier for you?

1350
01:54:43,880 --> 01:54:47,760
Yeah, I think that is all put together in that.

1351
01:54:48,000 --> 01:54:50,080
So that's what probably reads the price.

1352
01:54:50,760 --> 01:54:51,320
And that's it.

1353
01:54:51,580 --> 01:54:52,060
All right.

1354
01:54:52,060 --> 01:55:03,560
So it's good planning director's comments well I mentioned previously our new plan review analyst Lauren Marshall will be starting on June 16th

1355
01:55:03,560 --> 01:55:13,040
So that date is fast approaching I can't wait. I was very eager to bring her on June 17th at the scheduled planning commission meeting. However, good afternoon

1356
01:55:13,040 --> 01:55:21,060
We have no agenda items there will not be a planning commission meeting on June 17th so you can schedule a date night if you will

1357
01:55:22,060 --> 01:55:28,960
All right. Wow. Is for a long? Just a couple things. One, there is a comment tonight that

1358
01:55:28,960 --> 01:55:35,920
the Sheets is being built on Garfield over a sewer line. I actually represent the part

1359
01:55:35,920 --> 01:55:40,500
the public works department. It was sold, that property is sold to develop or the man's

1360
01:55:40,500 --> 01:55:47,080
sewers who are sold at part of it to Sheets. I will guarantee you, because I did draft the

1361
01:55:47,080 --> 01:55:52,160
for the sewer line that it runs adjacent to Garfield and Sheets is not being built over

1362
01:55:52,160 --> 01:55:57,080
sewer line, so someone said that today and they have no idea what they're talking about.

1363
01:56:01,500 --> 01:56:11,240
Secondly, unfortunately I had to excuse somebody today from this meeting and it's very important that the public understands that we simply want an order to this meeting.

1364
01:56:12,280 --> 01:56:17,080
that individual had four minutes to speak. It's clear he probably forgot about that

1365
01:56:17,080 --> 01:56:22,020
petition and then charged the board wanting to hand you documents. We're not

1366
01:56:22,020 --> 01:56:27,900
going to let anyone charge the board in any way shape or form and then for that

1367
01:56:27,900 --> 01:56:34,360
individual to accuse, you know, he said you are elected officials, obviously you're

1368
01:56:34,360 --> 01:56:40,140
appointed officials and then to accuse this panel being paid behind the scenes is just

1369
01:56:40,140 --> 01:56:45,120
of order, especially, you know, it's not during a public comment, and it's not appropriate

1370
01:56:45,120 --> 01:56:48,800
any situation we should perform, but just start yelling it out in a meeting.

1371
01:56:49,660 --> 01:56:53,200
So I know that individuals, I asked for that individual be excused, I'm not going to

1372
01:56:53,200 --> 01:56:54,000
apologize for it.

1373
01:56:54,040 --> 01:57:00,880
I think it was appropriate given the circumstances and we just, we invite the community to speak.

1374
01:57:00,980 --> 01:57:01,880
We want them to speak.

1375
01:57:01,900 --> 01:57:02,700
We have a process.

1376
01:57:02,860 --> 01:57:09,140
If four minutes they can give their mind on that agenda item and that's all we ask.

1377
01:57:09,140 --> 01:57:12,160
So I just wanted to speak in that point.

1378
01:57:12,860 --> 01:57:16,280
I was sad to see him go, but he just wouldn't stop.

1379
01:57:16,960 --> 01:57:17,760
That's so much.

1380
01:57:18,320 --> 01:57:19,760
All right, anything else?

1381
01:57:20,500 --> 01:57:23,060
Then I'm going to make a motion to adjourn at 827.

1382
01:57:24,540 --> 01:57:26,080
Okay, motion by myself.

1383
01:57:26,360 --> 01:57:28,560
Supported by Mr. Meyerly, all of favor.

1384
01:57:28,900 --> 01:57:29,200
Aye, aye.

1385
01:57:29,460 --> 01:57:30,460
Any one opposed?

1386
01:57:31,480 --> 01:57:32,240
Motion passes.

1387
01:57:33,360 --> 01:57:33,900
We are done.