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I'd like to call to order this

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connecting city council committee

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meeting for Monday, July 21st, 2025.

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Five and the first committee is finance.

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>> Thank you madam. Thank you madam

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president. I would like to call the

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finance committee committee to order and

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the first item is the 2023 consolidated

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annual performance and evaluation

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report.

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» Mayor good evening city council mayor.

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>> Good evening.

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>> Um the first thing on the agenda is our

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2023 papers report. Um I am asking today

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for three things that you accept our

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outline paper report. The second thing

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is to announce our public comment period

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and the third is a call for a public

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hearing to the next city council meeting

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August 11th.

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>> Are this on item number one?

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>> Item number one.

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All those all

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we need to call for a public hearing.

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U Mr. Chairman, the uh the uh public

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hearing will be a separate resolution

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and then the the uh comment period and

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the acceptance of the report can be done

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by one resolution but it will mention

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the public hearing as well but the

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public hearing will be its own

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standalone

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resolution the other three items will be

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the other

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» sorry

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any questions

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So, may I have a motion to to call for a

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public hearing and make another one?

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>> So, move.

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>> Second. All in favor? I

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>> and a motion to accept the annual

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performance evaluation report.

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>> So move.

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>> Second. All in favor?

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>> Item number two, the 2025 2026 US

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Department of Housing and Urban

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Development allocations. Miss Carver.

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>> Yes. Attached. Please file our 2025 2026

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allocations. Um I today I'm asking city

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council to adopt a resolution of

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authorizing us to accept our funding

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from HUD

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» question on this

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M for the public sake just walk through

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summary

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block grant also known as CDBG we

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received 2 million50,241

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for home which is home investment

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partnership program we received 1

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known as ESG, we received $184,656.

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compare to what we've gotten in the

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odd dollars different from last year.

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concerned about it. So

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pipeline that the dynamics in Washington

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the next cycle seeing a significant hit

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in terms of the funding that's provided

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through these uh grants and programs.

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>> Any other question or comment?

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>> Seeing none, may I have a motion to

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accept this item?

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>> The next item is a 2025 that 2029 accept

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HUD lead hazard control and healthy

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homes grant. Miss Carl.

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NOA grant for the lead hazard control

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healthy home grant was accepted. It's a

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I'm all tongue tied, forgive me. Um,

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over the course of 5 years, this is a

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program that we currently work with the

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county to administer.

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this program run into that over the last

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couple years?

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couple years, but we are reimagining

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this program because we will be fully

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taking back responsibility from the

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county to administer this program in the

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coming months. So

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you want to see the reimagined version

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or you want how it's been running?

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>> Okay. So currently the lead program has

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reached its benchmarks with the county

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every single year since it inception

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with the county. Um we have this past

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year we've done 28 homes

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um with the county that we completed

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which was our benchmark. So each year

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they give us benchmarks that we need to

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reach to satisfy the federal government

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and we we've exceeded those. We've got

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our lead hazard report. Um and we're

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green. They they label it by colors,

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red, green, and yellow. So we're green.

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through the county. So they go and do

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the intake process through the county

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health department and then our lead

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assessor and people and also others from

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the development team monitor that

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program. So when that is come back in

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house, it will be under your department.

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>> It's under my department now, but we're

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just going to now have a in-house intake

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person instead of doing the intake

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>> Any other question?

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That's a party. So, does us taking this

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in house a little more, does that impact

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our uh the finances of it or

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>> um it impact finances roughly 124,000 a

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also increases there's a travel line,

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there's a marketing line, there's an

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advertising line. So, versus that being

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paid out to the county and now be um

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internal. Okay. Okay. Thank you. Any

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other question?

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>> Seeing none. I'll second it. All in

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favor? I

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>> The next item is continuum of care

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contract with development of Broadway

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LLC doing business capital region YMCA.

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>> Every year we get awarded from the US

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Department of HUD for the continuum care

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partnership with the YMCA

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for their shelter beds. And this is for

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our 2026 continuum of care funding.

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We've been awarded 2017

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$722,000

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and this will support the 20 bed units

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in administrative cost to run this

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program.

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>> Go ahead, please.

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>> Um I was just wondering if it's still

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going to be um solely for men or

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>> It is. Yeah.

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Thanks.

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Any other question?

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Seeing none, we have a motion to move

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this item forward.

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>> So moved.

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>> Second. All in favor?

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>> I. Thank you so much.

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>> Thank you. Thank you.

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>> The next item is the Edward Turn

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Memorial Justice Assistant Grant

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Program. Chief,

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» good evening. Good evening.

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» Okay. I come before you here with a

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legislative request um to receive

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$15,000 which was awarded to the skatey

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police department by Assemblyman Angelo

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Santa Barbara

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uh for under the state uh department of

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criminal justice services and uh United

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States Department of Justice.

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Uh, we plan to use this money uh to

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invest in license plate readers for the

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police department.

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So, I'm looking for approval to accept

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this JAG award grant.

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>> Question on this side. Go ahead, please.

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>> Um, so my question is around um where

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these will be. I know that I asked this

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question in uh legislative conference.

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So, it's just everyone understands that

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these particular ones will be used

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versus what we currently have. So could

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you explain what we currently have and

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then how these will be different in

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>> So we have multiple uh license plate

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readers currently. We have them uh

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leading coming off of our interstates

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and we have them on our police cars

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which are mobile. Um but the our our

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plan and strategy is to have them on all

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the arteries that feed into the city so

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we know um if if a vehicle has come into

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the city or has left. And we are also

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putting that we we're also strategically

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placing them in our hotspot locations

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where we're seeing higher crime.

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» Go ahead, please.

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>> And how many will this buy?

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>> Well, the this is this doesn't buy that many. So, I believe we're looking

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to purchase somewhere between three and

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five for multiple years. They they they typically run about 2500 each per

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year. So we're I think we're going to

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buy maybe buy three of them and pay for

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them for three years.

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>> Thank you.

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>> So So we don't necessarily there's an

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ongoing cost estimate like so when you

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get it you have to pay

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uh so it's not something that we don't

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necessarily

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>> there there there are two different

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models. Um but the current model that

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we're looking at is a is a pay as a

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service.

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>> Okay.

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There's two components. It's a software

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department. It's a software that really

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keeps being updated by the leverage to

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>> Any other question on this item? Seeing

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none, we have a motion to move this

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forward.

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>> So moved.

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>> Second. All in favor? I.

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>> Thank you. The next item is the

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intergovernmental cooperation agreement.

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Give chief clicker.

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Thank you. Um, so for for the give

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grant, this is our 12th year of uh give

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funding. GI is an acronym for gun

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involved violence elimination, which is

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a partnership with the New York State

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Department of Criminal Justice Services,

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DCJS.

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For this grant, um,

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the county was awarded one mill

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1,148,671.

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Of that amount, $452,133

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uh is dedicated to the Skanty Police

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Department. And we do have a breakdown

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of how that is spent.

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Primarily what we pay for are two

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dedicated detectives,

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some fringe benefits, some overtime for

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investigations and patrol,

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and for an analyst that's uh dedicated

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to the initiative supporting the entire

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countywide group.

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>> Go ahead.

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>> I just want clarification. It says

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three. So, am I at least summary? It

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says three

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here. Is that one?

302
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Yes, you you are correct. Uh that's

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right because uh two of them are are

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give and one of them is non-fatal

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investigation. So we do have three.

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>> Thank you.

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>> Go ahead.

308
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>> Um I was wondering looking at the um

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looking at all looking at the personnel

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um that are included in the grant, do

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they have

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do they take on other responsibilities

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um or are they just focused on give

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grant?

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uh all of the all the personnel that are

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paid for under this grant have to work

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only on uh the initiatives that fall

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under the grant. So the three detectives

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uh two of them only work on anything

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gunrelated and then the non-fatal

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uh investigation detective will only

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work on uh non-fatal shootings um where they treat them like like the

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victim is voiceless. But so they they

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put that in-depth investigation into it.

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>> And my other question is just um so I

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noticed that in terms of the youth

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component of the grant, it's like $2,525

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that's going towards towards that. Um

329
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I was just wondering um how the amounts

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were figured out. In other words, um

331
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because you know I was kind of wishing

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that there was more money going towards

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the youth component piece, but um I

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didn't know if it was sort of mandated

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through the grant application or or how

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can we help

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» trying to find the area that

338
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>> 33 on on the budget part

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says community youth engagement,

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transportation and engagement report for

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activities and programming.

342
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But there's also this card

343
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>> 7,800. Is that the one?

344
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>> No, not this one. Oh, this on page 29 to

345
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7800 on page 33.

346
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>> Oh, that's the transportation.

347
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>> Yes. Oh, is there more though?

348
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>> On page 29.

349
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>> Yeah, there is.

350
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>> Oh, I didn't see it. Let me see.

351
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» Well, I I guess I guess I'll just answer

352
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it by saying that um there are four

353
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partners. There's the police department,

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the DA's office, the probation office,

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and the sheriff's department. And we

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meet as a group, and we get the funding.

357
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And and we all decide on who which

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initiatives uh each individual agency

359
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are going to work towards. And then we

360
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break it up based on that funding. And I

361
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know that the probation department has

362
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$250,000 that that's a minimum we have

363
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to give them. And then each agency

364
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decides how to break that down from the

365
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amount that they're allowed.

366
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>> Okay. Thank you. you and I missed the

367
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7,800. So, thank you for cleaning that

368
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up.

369
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>> So, Chief, look, this probably piece of

370
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last legislation that just went through

371
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as well, but you said like um the

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cameras would be more hotspots, you

373
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know, were those hot spots like hotspots

374
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of violence that's happening hotspots or

375
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is just like just where we're seeing

376
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more crime? Is it or will they be kind

377
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of deployed in the place where you see

378
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more violent environment or just crime

379
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in general like how are we defining

380
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hotspots in this context I would say?

381
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>> So our our crime analyst uh uses risk

382
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terrain modeling to to to create

383
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hotspots and they take a variety of

384
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different factors to create that

385
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hotspot. So so violent crime is

386
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certainly a component of it but they take calls for service, traffic

387
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accidents. He has a a a a

388
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formula that that that come that that

389
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builds that hot spot and and that's why

390
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we really focus on that area and give

391
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them give it the attention needed to to

392
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cool it off

393
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12 12 years into it. How would you say

394
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like the outcomes? How we have how have

395
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we done what what are some of the

396
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outcomes? I imagine removing guns from

397
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the streets, going stop them,

398
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effectively supervising them on

399
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probation. But what are what are some of

400
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the outcomes and how it compared to our

401
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other partners that we see? Are there

402
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any things that stick out that we're

403
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doing really well or things we've

404
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improved upon?

405
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Um

406
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the the statewide initiative has been a

407
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really big success. Um, you know, we we

408
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you look back 12 years ago, the violent

409
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crime that was in this city, and we've

410
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made remarkable progress, a lot of it is

411
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because of the funding that we were

412
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afforded by this grant. Other

413
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communities have had similar successes

414
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statewide. I know Udica's had very

415
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similar similar successes and uh, you

416
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know, this initiative has been so so

417
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wellreceived that um, the state has been

418
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giving uh, speak speeches. we've been

419
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presenting this at a a national level

420
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and and for and because we've been

421
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involved in it for so long, I'm part of

422
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that uh engagement. Um we I'll be

423
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speaking about it in Baltimore next week

424
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for the a national conference. So, it's

425
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uh it's it's had a lot of good impact

426
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locally and we're very fortunate to have

427
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the funding that we that we get from the

428
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governor.

429
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>> Yeah. Thank you.

430
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>> Okay.

431
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>> Hey, Mr. Attorney just found the chief

432
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passed out a copy of the annual report

433
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from the police department which is the

434
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first time put together this

435
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comprehensive document and it tells a

436
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great story there which things we're

437
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talking about tonight uh some of the

438
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smaller components. So we just want to

439
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make sure that uh people take the time

440
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to look that over and if you have any

441
00:21:13,520 --> 00:21:16,000
questions I'm available the command

442
00:21:16,000 --> 00:21:17,520
staff or the police department is

443
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available.

444
00:21:19,840 --> 00:21:20,720
Go ahead, please.

445
00:21:20,720 --> 00:21:23,200
>> So, um, for the individuals who are

446
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whose, uh, salary is in this grant, they

447
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are already cons they're already current

448
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staff. So, they would not then show up

449
00:21:29,520 --> 00:21:32,000
in our in the our budget as well because

450
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you said they're dedicated to this and

451
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this only. So, this money shows up as

452
00:21:36,480 --> 00:21:39,039
money going in as a grant, but um in

453
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terms of budgeting outside of that,

454
00:21:41,919 --> 00:21:44,240
>> the the the the three detectives there

455
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do show up in our our our staffing

456
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numbers

457
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>> and then the the the money that we

458
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receive from the grant is is put into

459
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our budget through as a as revenue.

460
00:21:53,760 --> 00:21:55,679
>> Thank you.

461
00:21:55,679 --> 00:21:58,799
>> It is part of offsetting the um expense

462
00:21:58,799 --> 00:22:01,919
in our budget. Yes, correct.

463
00:22:01,919 --> 00:22:04,640
>> Any other question regards to this item?

464
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Seeing none, may I have a motion to move

465
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forward?

466
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>> So moved.

467
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>> Second. All in favor? I. Thank you. The

468
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next item is the school community

469
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engagement officer, Chief Clipper.

470
00:22:21,840 --> 00:22:24,960
Okay. So, we um

471
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the contract was up with our with the

472
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school district for our community

473
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engagement officers

474
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and we we renegotiated that contract

475
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under a new umbrella which was to roll

476
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all of uh all of the city um expenses

477
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driven towards a school district at

478
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least for public safety under one

479
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umbrella, one agreement. So, what we

480
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agreed to do is is still fund the six uh

481
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officers full-time, which are four

482
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officers, one investigator, and one

483
00:22:59,360 --> 00:23:00,880
sergeant

484
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um assigned to the school district. And

485
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then we also rolled in all of the

486
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overtime that is spent after hours and

487
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built separately,

488
00:23:12,720 --> 00:23:14,320
all of the engagement that the fire

489
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department does uh throughout the year.

490
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and the alarm false alarm uh calls for

491
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the burglar alarms. We rolled that all

492
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into we did a quick analysis to see what it what what it would be the total

493
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take for the for the city and we came

494
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back to them and agreed that they will

495
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pay us $500,000 a year for the 2025

496
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academic year and then each year goes up

497
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2% after that to account for anticipated

498
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raises.

499
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And then also embedded within that

500
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agreement was that they would allow us

501
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to create a separate agreement which

502
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we'll talk about next to place one of

503
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our second drone nest on top of a one of

504
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their schools.

505
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» So

506
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chief the number quoted here that uh

507
00:24:05,039 --> 00:24:07,840
that is not including overtime is saying

508
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that is excluding overtime.

509
00:24:11,760 --> 00:24:14,559
This new number will include overtime.

510
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Does the number exclude overtime?

511
00:24:16,480 --> 00:24:18,159
>> No, not it will include it.

512
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>> So the 500,000 quoted for the first year

513
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includes overtime.

514
00:24:22,240 --> 00:24:22,720
>> Correct.

515
00:24:22,720 --> 00:24:24,880
>> Some of the offices restrain time and

516
00:24:24,880 --> 00:24:26,480
some are over time.

517
00:24:26,480 --> 00:24:29,039
>> Okay.

518
00:24:29,039 --> 00:24:31,760
Um changes that you explained about

519
00:24:31,760 --> 00:24:34,320
incorporating the overtime um which I do

520
00:24:34,320 --> 00:24:35,679
have a further question. Are there any

521
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other changes since the last contract

522
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in terms of the number of officers or

523
00:24:41,279 --> 00:24:43,600
any of that?

524
00:24:43,600 --> 00:24:45,440
Really, the only significant change

525
00:24:45,440 --> 00:24:47,760
would be that we we always had six

526
00:24:47,760 --> 00:24:50,960
officers, but we uh we agreed to change

527
00:24:50,960 --> 00:24:53,520
one of them to an investigator to give

528
00:24:53,520 --> 00:24:55,279
the school community better direct

529
00:24:55,279 --> 00:24:58,640
access to our youth aid bureau. Um so

530
00:24:58,640 --> 00:25:00,400
that there's a there's a slight increase

531
00:25:00,400 --> 00:25:04,000
in in what that uh I think it's 2% above

532
00:25:04,000 --> 00:25:06,080
the patrol level grade that the

533
00:25:06,080 --> 00:25:08,880
investigate investigator gets paid.

534
00:25:08,880 --> 00:25:10,880
Other than that, no, there's no other

535
00:25:10,880 --> 00:25:13,919
significant changes.

536
00:25:13,919 --> 00:25:16,880
And further um in terms of the $500,000

537
00:25:16,880 --> 00:25:18,960
for the that includes overtime and the

538
00:25:18,960 --> 00:25:20,480
other things you mentioned, is that

539
00:25:20,480 --> 00:25:23,600
based on what we um paid out in in the

540
00:25:23,600 --> 00:25:25,679
prior contract. How how was that number

541
00:25:25,679 --> 00:25:26,720
arrived at?

542
00:25:26,720 --> 00:25:28,960
>> Yes, we um we we took a look at

543
00:25:28,960 --> 00:25:30,480
everything we've done over the last

544
00:25:30,480 --> 00:25:33,840
three years with overtime alarm bills

545
00:25:33,840 --> 00:25:36,080
and with the fire department um build

546
00:25:36,080 --> 00:25:37,919
the school district. And then we took

547
00:25:37,919 --> 00:25:40,240
into account the new uh collective

548
00:25:40,240 --> 00:25:41,840
bargaining agreements for police and

549
00:25:41,840 --> 00:25:45,600
fire and what the pay rate is and and

550
00:25:45,600 --> 00:25:47,679
then we we we did the math on the

551
00:25:47,679 --> 00:25:50,240
overtime end of it also. We added them

552
00:25:50,240 --> 00:25:52,159
all together and that's how we we came

553
00:25:52,159 --> 00:25:54,240
up with this number.

554
00:25:54,240 --> 00:25:55,480
>> Thank you.

555
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[Music]

556
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>> Go ahead.

557
00:25:59,120 --> 00:26:00,240
you.

558
00:26:00,240 --> 00:26:02,960
>> Um, well, I I had a couple of things,

559
00:26:02,960 --> 00:26:06,240
but I just was wondering um how much

560
00:26:06,240 --> 00:26:09,600
overtime like do do they you do they

561
00:26:09,600 --> 00:26:11,600
have, you know, in terms of what they do

562
00:26:11,600 --> 00:26:13,840
at the schools? I mean, do they do a lot

563
00:26:13,840 --> 00:26:15,919
of overtime or is it mostly just during

564
00:26:15,919 --> 00:26:16,880
the

565
00:26:16,880 --> 00:26:19,120
>> Yeah, I wouldn't categorize categorize

566
00:26:19,120 --> 00:26:21,840
it as a lot, but it's we're there often.

567
00:26:21,840 --> 00:26:23,600
So, it's typically like there's a

568
00:26:23,600 --> 00:26:25,360
basketball game, can you send one or two

569
00:26:25,360 --> 00:26:28,000
officers or a football game? Um there's

570
00:26:28,000 --> 00:26:29,520
always just events where they like to

571
00:26:29,520 --> 00:26:31,279
have our officers and Sure.

572
00:26:31,279 --> 00:26:33,600
>> And uh so what we did agree on is that

573
00:26:33,600 --> 00:26:35,279
we have a baseline that they're going to

574
00:26:35,279 --> 00:26:37,679
stay within that baseline and if they if

575
00:26:37,679 --> 00:26:39,520
they're asking for more. We did agree

576
00:26:39,520 --> 00:26:42,480
that if it's like more than 10% of

577
00:26:42,480 --> 00:26:44,799
previous years that that we're going to

578
00:26:44,799 --> 00:26:49,520
talk about it either either not do it or bill for it. But we're all in

579
00:26:49,520 --> 00:26:51,120
agreement that we're going to make it

580
00:26:51,120 --> 00:26:53,520
work. It's just that, you know, now that

581
00:26:53,520 --> 00:26:55,039
it's included, they're not going to take

582
00:26:55,039 --> 00:26:56,720
advantage of us and we're not going to

583
00:26:56,720 --> 00:26:58,960
start saying no either. So,

584
00:26:58,960 --> 00:27:01,760
>> I think it's a very positive um program.

585
00:27:01,760 --> 00:27:03,520
So, I'm excited that we're moving

586
00:27:03,520 --> 00:27:04,960
forward with it again and I'm very

587
00:27:04,960 --> 00:27:07,360
excited that the uh fire department and

588
00:27:07,360 --> 00:27:12,000
fire education is included now in this contract. I think that's

589
00:27:12,000 --> 00:27:13,600
terrific. So,

590
00:27:13,600 --> 00:27:17,440
>> yeah. I guess one other um thing that I

591
00:27:17,440 --> 00:27:19,919
failed to mention is is we're we're

592
00:27:19,919 --> 00:27:22,080
talking with them about pathways which

593
00:27:22,080 --> 00:27:22,880
is

594
00:27:22,880 --> 00:27:24,640
>> uh really for a recruiting perspective

595
00:27:24,640 --> 00:27:27,760
of getting students involved in becoming

596
00:27:27,760 --> 00:27:29,919
police officers and fire firemen, fire

597
00:27:29,919 --> 00:27:33,360
women um and and and and learning more

598
00:27:33,360 --> 00:27:35,360
about what it takes to to join these

599
00:27:35,360 --> 00:27:39,760
professions uh at an early age. So we're we're going to be spending more

600
00:27:39,760 --> 00:27:41,840
time there uh doing that sort of more.

601
00:27:41,840 --> 00:27:43,279
>> That's great. and the fire department

602
00:27:43,279 --> 00:27:46,240
will too.

603
00:27:46,240 --> 00:27:49,600
So, a few things and also that program

604
00:27:49,600 --> 00:27:51,600
as far as working with the academic

605
00:27:51,600 --> 00:27:53,360
piece for guidance counselors and trying

606
00:27:53,360 --> 00:27:54,559
to help them look at like because

607
00:27:54,559 --> 00:27:56,000
there's a lot of curriculum that

608
00:27:56,000 --> 00:27:58,640
students are taking um all the different

609
00:27:58,640 --> 00:27:59,840
programs that school district is

610
00:27:59,840 --> 00:28:01,039
offering some of this some of this

611
00:28:01,039 --> 00:28:03,919
curriculum some their curriculum they

612
00:28:03,919 --> 00:28:07,120
can get credit for by you know engaging

613
00:28:07,120 --> 00:28:08,799
in this program which I think would be

614
00:28:08,799 --> 00:28:10,960
really valuable because now students you

615
00:28:10,960 --> 00:28:14,320
know they it opens up access to that. So

616
00:28:14,320 --> 00:28:16,480
the my question was you said just for

617
00:28:16,480 --> 00:28:19,279
the academic school year now I know that

618
00:28:19,279 --> 00:28:22,640
there's so many programs there's almost

619
00:28:22,640 --> 00:28:24,720
obviously not a lot as much but there's

620
00:28:24,720 --> 00:28:26,640
a lot a significant amount of programs

621
00:28:26,640 --> 00:28:28,320
and things are happening due to

622
00:28:28,320 --> 00:28:30,240
non-traditional like summer hours and

623
00:28:30,240 --> 00:28:32,399
things like that. So the partnership

624
00:28:32,399 --> 00:28:34,320
that's agreed upon so is strictly just

625
00:28:34,320 --> 00:28:37,279
for the academic school year.

626
00:28:37,279 --> 00:28:39,840
I'm glad you mentioned that. And I I I

627
00:28:39,840 --> 00:28:42,000
forgot to mention this that um as a part

628
00:28:42,000 --> 00:28:44,320
of this agreement, the school district

629
00:28:44,320 --> 00:28:46,399
is providing their school safety

630
00:28:46,399 --> 00:28:49,840
officers uh to our parks uh to help us

631
00:28:49,840 --> 00:28:52,399
with with uh the pools in Central Park

632
00:28:52,399 --> 00:28:53,919
and also with a lot of the activities

633
00:28:53,919 --> 00:28:57,840
that are going on there. So, um,

634
00:28:57,840 --> 00:29:00,000
our our community engagement officers

635
00:29:00,000 --> 00:29:01,840
are being assigned to the school to the

636
00:29:01,840 --> 00:29:05,039
parks during those hours um to continue

637
00:29:05,039 --> 00:29:06,559
the engagement with the youth in the

638
00:29:06,559 --> 00:29:10,310
summertime.

639
00:29:10,320 --> 00:29:13,279
So, Chief, um, when we rolled this

640
00:29:13,279 --> 00:29:14,880
program out, I know there were some, you

641
00:29:14,880 --> 00:29:17,360
know, pros and cons and things of that.

642
00:29:17,360 --> 00:29:20,159
um over the last year, can you summarize

643
00:29:20,159 --> 00:29:23,120
for us some of the positive impact this

644
00:29:23,120 --> 00:29:25,840
program has been for the school district

645
00:29:25,840 --> 00:29:29,679
and the public at large?

646
00:29:29,679 --> 00:29:34,720
>> Oh boy. Um so yeah, I mean admittedly

647
00:29:34,720 --> 00:29:36,640
I'm not I'm not hands-on as Lieutenant

648
00:29:36,640 --> 00:29:38,880
Dalton is. I wish he was here. he talked

649
00:29:38,880 --> 00:29:40,720
to you all night about it, but I can

650
00:29:40,720 --> 00:29:42,559
tell you that some of the things that I

651
00:29:42,559 --> 00:29:44,240
mentioned at the school board meeting is

652
00:29:44,240 --> 00:29:47,600
that um in the last nine years that I've

653
00:29:47,600 --> 00:29:49,360
been the chief, I think our relationship

654
00:29:49,360 --> 00:29:50,960
is the best that it's ever been with the

655
00:29:50,960 --> 00:29:53,600
school district. Um I used to meet with

656
00:29:53,600 --> 00:29:56,080
Superintendent Spring, maybe twice a

657
00:29:56,080 --> 00:29:58,559
year. Um when Superintendent Solair came

658
00:29:58,559 --> 00:30:01,279
in, I'd meet with him maybe monthly, but

659
00:30:01,279 --> 00:30:03,360
I feel like I I speak to Superintendent

660
00:30:03,360 --> 00:30:05,039
Cotto

661
00:30:05,039 --> 00:30:07,279
weekly, if not daily. We have a great

662
00:30:07,279 --> 00:30:10,320
relationship. Um, we don't get nearly as

663
00:30:10,320 --> 00:30:12,880
many calls as we used to on the

664
00:30:12,880 --> 00:30:14,480
administrative side about what's going

665
00:30:14,480 --> 00:30:16,720
on in the school. Um, I tend to think

666
00:30:16,720 --> 00:30:19,440
that, uh, things have stabilized there.

667
00:30:19,440 --> 00:30:21,760
And not only are they stable, but um,

668
00:30:21,760 --> 00:30:23,840
they're at a point where they work

669
00:30:23,840 --> 00:30:25,679
towards solutions on any problems

670
00:30:25,679 --> 00:30:27,279
collectively. You know, it's not just

671
00:30:27,279 --> 00:30:29,600
the police, but they've our our officers

672
00:30:29,600 --> 00:30:31,279
there have empowered the school safety

673
00:30:31,279 --> 00:30:33,360
officers to do their job better, which

674
00:30:33,360 --> 00:30:36,080
is ideally what we want to do.

675
00:30:36,080 --> 00:30:38,480
um and and we've had a lot of positive

676
00:30:38,480 --> 00:30:41,679
feedback from the students um on on a

677
00:30:41,679 --> 00:30:43,840
variety of different things. Officers

678
00:30:43,840 --> 00:30:46,080
that have have transitioned out of the

679
00:30:46,080 --> 00:30:48,240
school to to different jobs within the

680
00:30:48,240 --> 00:30:50,240
police department, they they they've

681
00:30:50,240 --> 00:30:52,159
asked if if they can go back for the end

682
00:30:52,159 --> 00:30:53,679
of the year parties, if they could, you

683
00:30:53,679 --> 00:30:55,600
know, remain engaged with them. So,

684
00:30:55,600 --> 00:30:57,520
things like that where the students are

685
00:30:57,520 --> 00:31:00,159
just really appreciative of uh being

686
00:31:00,159 --> 00:31:01,840
able to eat lunch with the sergeant that

687
00:31:01,840 --> 00:31:03,520
works there. And you know it turned into

688
00:31:03,520 --> 00:31:05,600
a thing where every day he had a

689
00:31:05,600 --> 00:31:06,799
different student wanted to eat lunch

690
00:31:06,799 --> 00:31:09,600
with him. So uh we had a recently had a

691
00:31:09,600 --> 00:31:13,440
female uh police officer candidate that

692
00:31:13,440 --> 00:31:14,960
uh you know came right out of the school

693
00:31:14,960 --> 00:31:16,480
district because she got interested in

694
00:31:16,480 --> 00:31:19,440
the job a few years ago and uh and now

695
00:31:19,440 --> 00:31:21,360
she's actively looking for some

696
00:31:21,360 --> 00:31:24,159
assistance with getting ready to be one

697
00:31:24,159 --> 00:31:26,159
of our next officers. So there's, you

698
00:31:26,159 --> 00:31:29,360
know, there's those are just a few that

699
00:31:29,360 --> 00:31:33,360
experiences that I'm familiar with.

700
00:31:33,360 --> 00:31:36,240
Thank you for those um positive impact.

701
00:31:36,240 --> 00:31:38,480
Um, on the staffing, since we're going

702
00:31:38,480 --> 00:31:41,840
to be moving six full-time um, officers,

703
00:31:41,840 --> 00:31:44,799
how would that impact your overall

704
00:31:44,799 --> 00:31:47,039
service to the community or should we

705
00:31:47,039 --> 00:31:50,480
look at hiring six additional staff to

706
00:31:50,480 --> 00:31:51,840
complement your

707
00:31:51,840 --> 00:31:54,399
>> Yes, we need six more officers because

708
00:31:54,399 --> 00:31:56,559
you don't want to stick

709
00:31:56,559 --> 00:31:57,440
position.

710
00:31:57,440 --> 00:31:58,640
>> You know, I'm just throwing that out

711
00:31:58,640 --> 00:32:00,480
because we're going to put six officers

712
00:32:00,480 --> 00:32:01,840
into the school district. How will that

713
00:32:01,840 --> 00:32:04,320
affect your response to service to our

714
00:32:04,320 --> 00:32:07,039
community? I mean, I I I like to think

715
00:32:07,039 --> 00:32:09,440
that um these six officers were

716
00:32:09,440 --> 00:32:11,120
additional officers when we added them,

717
00:32:11,120 --> 00:32:13,120
and by them being there, we're able to

718
00:32:13,120 --> 00:32:14,960
respond to calls immediately rather than

719
00:32:14,960 --> 00:32:16,559
having to send officers that were on the

720
00:32:16,559 --> 00:32:18,640
street before there. So, we're managing

721
00:32:18,640 --> 00:32:20,720
it very well. I mean, I'm not going to

722
00:32:20,720 --> 00:32:22,960
lie, I mean, sometimes calls have to

723
00:32:22,960 --> 00:32:25,440
wait because we're busy, but you know,

724
00:32:25,440 --> 00:32:27,360
what do you we could throw bodies at at

725
00:32:27,360 --> 00:32:29,600
our these problems all the time instead

726
00:32:29,600 --> 00:32:32,000
of managing them. and our sergeants and

727
00:32:32,000 --> 00:32:33,760
our lieutenants in the field services

728
00:32:33,760 --> 00:32:35,760
bureau. They did a good job managing it.

729
00:32:35,760 --> 00:32:37,840
So, it shouldn't negatively impact us.

730
00:32:37,840 --> 00:32:39,840
Um, we're we're we're currently working

731
00:32:39,840 --> 00:32:42,960
on a plan to to to look at the freshman

732
00:32:42,960 --> 00:32:45,039
academy and what kind of impact that

733
00:32:45,039 --> 00:32:47,039
will have. Most likely we'll put the

734
00:32:47,039 --> 00:32:48,640
investigator there to have a presence

735
00:32:48,640 --> 00:32:50,399
there and and that's where we'll work

736
00:32:50,399 --> 00:32:52,559
out of and uh but we're working on it

737
00:32:52,559 --> 00:32:54,720
and I don't think there'll be any impact

738
00:32:54,720 --> 00:33:00,149
on it. Okay.

739
00:33:00,159 --> 00:33:02,480
All right. Thank you. So, um I know I

740
00:33:02,480 --> 00:33:04,159
see in the packet you do talk about the

741
00:33:04,159 --> 00:33:07,440
how community engagement officers are um

742
00:33:07,440 --> 00:33:10,240
are chosen or appointed and so it goes

743
00:33:10,240 --> 00:33:13,200
through that in detail. I did. So all of

744
00:33:13,200 --> 00:33:15,679
the officers who are come on the force

745
00:33:15,679 --> 00:33:17,200
still have to go through the community

746
00:33:17,200 --> 00:33:18,880
piece where the community that community

747
00:33:18,880 --> 00:33:25,679
group um interviews them

748
00:33:25,679 --> 00:33:28,159
when and then and now when they go here

749
00:33:28,159 --> 00:33:29,519
the school district also has to

750
00:33:29,519 --> 00:33:31,440
interview them. Do they have to go to

751
00:33:31,440 --> 00:33:33,760
that um community group again?

752
00:33:33,760 --> 00:33:35,039
>> No.

753
00:33:35,039 --> 00:33:37,039
So once they've been um gone to the

754
00:33:37,039 --> 00:33:38,640
community business officer when they

755
00:33:38,640 --> 00:33:40,000
want to become community engagement

756
00:33:40,000 --> 00:33:43,200
officers then um then they just go

757
00:33:43,200 --> 00:33:46,240
through the school district through your process and then the school

758
00:33:46,240 --> 00:33:47,120
district.

759
00:33:47,120 --> 00:33:47,600
>> Correct.

760
00:33:47,600 --> 00:33:48,640
>> Right.

761
00:33:48,640 --> 00:33:52,559
>> Uh if if if any officer if something

762
00:33:52,559 --> 00:33:55,840
happens and an officer it just doesn't

763
00:33:55,840 --> 00:33:58,720
work out how how is that handled once

764
00:33:58,720 --> 00:34:01,039
they're assigned there?

765
00:34:01,039 --> 00:34:02,480
Well, we're fortunate that that hasn't

766
00:34:02,480 --> 00:34:04,559
happened yet, but you we have a uh you

767
00:34:04,559 --> 00:34:06,320
know, we have we would handle it like

768
00:34:06,320 --> 00:34:07,679
any other officer that did something

769
00:34:07,679 --> 00:34:09,440
wrong. I mean, we would we would take

770
00:34:09,440 --> 00:34:12,240
corrective action and uh hold hold them

771
00:34:12,240 --> 00:34:15,040
accountable and you know, should it be

772
00:34:15,040 --> 00:34:16,879
repeated, then we we would remove them

773
00:34:16,879 --> 00:34:18,800
from their assignment,

774
00:34:18,800 --> 00:34:20,159
whether it's that assignment or any

775
00:34:20,159 --> 00:34:21,040
other one.

776
00:34:21,040 --> 00:34:22,560
>> I'm not implying that they that they did

777
00:34:22,560 --> 00:34:23,679
something wrong. It just may not be a

778
00:34:23,679 --> 00:34:25,679
good fit because maybe they don't, you

779
00:34:25,679 --> 00:34:27,839
know, young people. I've been in the

780
00:34:27,839 --> 00:34:29,520
school district. So sometimes it can

781
00:34:29,520 --> 00:34:31,040
becomes challenging and that's not for

782
00:34:31,040 --> 00:34:32,480
everyone. So

783
00:34:32,480 --> 00:34:36,639
>> yeah, I mean I think that um

784
00:34:36,639 --> 00:34:38,879
>> the untold story that probably has

785
00:34:38,879 --> 00:34:40,240
percolated throughout the police

786
00:34:40,240 --> 00:34:42,240
department is this job isn't for

787
00:34:42,240 --> 00:34:44,159
everyone working in the schools. It's

788
00:34:44,159 --> 00:34:46,639
very busy. So I think that officers that

789
00:34:46,639 --> 00:34:48,480
go there do get burnt out because

790
00:34:48,480 --> 00:34:51,119
there's a lot going on. But they they

791
00:34:51,119 --> 00:34:53,839
also know it's very rewarding. Um, but

792
00:34:53,839 --> 00:34:55,679
they know that, you know, those officers

793
00:34:55,679 --> 00:34:57,599
that stay there more than two years,

794
00:34:57,599 --> 00:34:59,280
>> they're champs and we have a couple of

795
00:34:59,280 --> 00:35:01,359
them, but um, you know, you've seen it

796
00:35:01,359 --> 00:35:03,680
with our sergeants that every year it

797
00:35:03,680 --> 00:35:05,200
seems like they're changing. It's

798
00:35:05,200 --> 00:35:07,200
because they get burnt out and there's,

799
00:35:07,200 --> 00:35:08,640
you know, it's it's it's a very

800
00:35:08,640 --> 00:35:10,320
difficult job. I praise all the teachers

801
00:35:10,320 --> 00:35:12,480
out there that do it year after year.

802
00:35:12,480 --> 00:35:14,240
It's it's difficult being in that

803
00:35:14,240 --> 00:35:15,440
school.

804
00:35:15,440 --> 00:35:18,079
>> Mr. Farley knows.

805
00:35:18,079 --> 00:35:19,119
>> Thank you.

806
00:35:19,119 --> 00:35:21,440
>> Go ahead. I I did also forget to mention

807
00:35:21,440 --> 00:35:24,800
I knew that um that the pool um we had

808
00:35:24,800 --> 00:35:27,839
been using CEOs and Mr. Meki said it's

809
00:35:27,839 --> 00:35:29,280
just been great because they already

810
00:35:29,280 --> 00:35:32,160
know the youth. So in terms of some of

811
00:35:32,160 --> 00:35:34,000
the youth that you know have gotten a

812
00:35:34,000 --> 00:35:35,599
little out of hand um some of the

813
00:35:35,599 --> 00:35:39,200
teenagers at the pool um they have that

814
00:35:39,200 --> 00:35:41,200
relationship already. They know they

815
00:35:41,200 --> 00:35:44,160
know the kids. Um so it's that's been

816
00:35:44,160 --> 00:35:47,280
fantastic um um at the pool. So, I

817
00:35:47,280 --> 00:35:49,119
really appreciate the work they're doing

818
00:35:49,119 --> 00:35:50,480
and it's clear that they're getting to

819
00:35:50,480 --> 00:35:52,400
know know the students.

820
00:35:52,400 --> 00:35:57,750
>> Yep. Mr. Farley,

821
00:35:57,760 --> 00:35:58,960
thank you, Mr. Chair. You have to

822
00:35:58,960 --> 00:36:01,200
remember there's roughly 9,000 students

823
00:36:01,200 --> 00:36:04,000
in the school district. So, all this is

824
00:36:04,000 --> 00:36:07,599
doing is matching up the resources with

825
00:36:07,599 --> 00:36:09,440
the demand.

826
00:36:09,440 --> 00:36:11,680
If these officers weren't there, the

827
00:36:11,680 --> 00:36:13,040
school district is still going to

828
00:36:13,040 --> 00:36:16,000
generate calls for service. This in fact

829
00:36:16,000 --> 00:36:18,320
puts them in a more proactive way.

830
00:36:18,320 --> 00:36:20,480
There's a greater level of deterrence

831
00:36:20,480 --> 00:36:22,400
and this has really been a very

832
00:36:22,400 --> 00:36:24,560
successful program. The chief talks

833
00:36:24,560 --> 00:36:26,079
about some of the good things. There

834
00:36:26,079 --> 00:36:27,599
have been some less than optimal

835
00:36:27,599 --> 00:36:29,680
situations too where the officers being

836
00:36:29,680 --> 00:36:32,400
there have stayed ahead of problems

837
00:36:32,400 --> 00:36:35,040
resolved them where there haven't been

838
00:36:35,040 --> 00:36:37,920
uh extreme negative outcomes. And uh

839
00:36:37,920 --> 00:36:39,359
everybody I think should be proud of the

840
00:36:39,359 --> 00:36:40,960
work that they're doing in the

841
00:36:40,960 --> 00:36:42,640
partnership that we have with the school

842
00:36:42,640 --> 00:36:44,400
district.

843
00:36:44,400 --> 00:36:45,760
Go ahead, please.

844
00:36:45,760 --> 00:36:47,280
>> Thank you. Yes, good point, ma'am.

845
00:36:47,280 --> 00:36:49,680
Absolutely. I love what they do. Um,

846
00:36:49,680 --> 00:36:51,760
this drone,

847
00:36:51,760 --> 00:36:53,520
what's that going? I I know we wanted to

848
00:36:53,520 --> 00:36:55,119
use drones as, you know, to send them

849
00:36:55,119 --> 00:36:56,880
out to see what the problem was. Is that

850
00:36:56,880 --> 00:36:59,599
just for the school district if if you

851
00:36:59,599 --> 00:37:02,320
deploy a drone?

852
00:37:02,320 --> 00:37:03,520
>> No, no,

853
00:37:03,520 --> 00:37:06,079
>> no. You're just using a building for it?

854
00:37:06,079 --> 00:37:09,440
>> Yeah, the we have the partner the our

855
00:37:09,440 --> 00:37:11,839
drone program has two drones. We have a

856
00:37:11,839 --> 00:37:13,280
one location on the police department.

857
00:37:13,280 --> 00:37:14,800
The second one will be on Central Park

858
00:37:14,800 --> 00:37:17,520
Middle School. Um, which is the highest

859
00:37:17,520 --> 00:37:19,280
point in the city on top of a building

860
00:37:19,280 --> 00:37:21,520
that's three stories tall. So, it's it's

861
00:37:21,520 --> 00:37:22,800
a perfect spot for it.

862
00:37:22,800 --> 00:37:26,960
>> It's really the city in two locations be

863
00:37:26,960 --> 00:37:31,280
able to implement that program.

864
00:37:31,280 --> 00:37:34,400
>> Any other questions regarding this item?

865
00:37:34,400 --> 00:37:35,839
>> Seeing none, we have a motion to move

866
00:37:35,839 --> 00:37:37,040
this item forward.

867
00:37:37,040 --> 00:37:37,920
>> So moved.

868
00:37:37,920 --> 00:37:40,800
>> Second. All in favor? I I thank you

869
00:37:40,800 --> 00:37:41,280
chief.

870
00:37:41,280 --> 00:37:42,320
>> Thank you.

871
00:37:42,320 --> 00:37:44,800
>> Any other business for finance? May I

872
00:37:44,800 --> 00:37:46,000
have a motion to adjurnn?

873
00:37:46,000 --> 00:37:46,560
>> So move.

874
00:37:46,560 --> 00:37:48,160
>> Second. All in favor?

875
00:37:48,160 --> 00:37:49,839
>> I thank you.

876
00:37:49,839 --> 00:37:51,359
>> I'd like to call to order city

877
00:37:51,359 --> 00:37:52,880
development and planning. There are

878
00:37:52,880 --> 00:37:55,200
three items on the agenda. Item number

879
00:37:55,200 --> 00:37:56,800
one is the license agreement with the

880
00:37:56,800 --> 00:37:58,560
city of Skenkity for storage and use of

881
00:37:58,560 --> 00:38:01,040
drone and antenna connect city school

882
00:38:01,040 --> 00:38:04,720
district. Chief Clifford.

883
00:38:04,720 --> 00:38:06,480
>> Okay. Okay. So, as previously mentioned,

884
00:38:06,480 --> 00:38:08,880
uh this is a separate agreement solely

885
00:38:08,880 --> 00:38:11,520
that covers the the the license

886
00:38:11,520 --> 00:38:13,280
agreement for the city of county to

887
00:38:13,280 --> 00:38:16,320
store our our drone and drone nest on

888
00:38:16,320 --> 00:38:18,720
top of the city school uh central park

889
00:38:18,720 --> 00:38:21,359
middle school. And we will they will

890
00:38:21,359 --> 00:38:24,960
also be providing us uh power and

891
00:38:24,960 --> 00:38:27,760
internet for this. There's no additional

892
00:38:27,760 --> 00:38:29,359
cost associated to this agreement

893
00:38:29,359 --> 00:38:30,880
because it's covered in the previous one

894
00:38:30,880 --> 00:38:33,359
that we just discussed.

895
00:38:33,359 --> 00:38:36,480
Any questions regarding this? Um I do

896
00:38:36,480 --> 00:38:38,560
have one and without disclosing

897
00:38:38,560 --> 00:38:41,280
locations, how many of these um type of

898
00:38:41,280 --> 00:38:44,000
drone use antennas on buildings

899
00:38:44,000 --> 00:38:46,720
throughout do we have is this the only

900
00:38:46,720 --> 00:38:48,079
location? You said it's the highest

901
00:38:48,079 --> 00:38:51,040
location, but we have other locations.

902
00:38:51,040 --> 00:38:53,280
Uh so this so the police department and

903
00:38:53,280 --> 00:38:55,359
then this will be the second location

904
00:38:55,359 --> 00:38:58,079
and um the the drones also work on

905
00:38:58,079 --> 00:39:01,920
cellular uh network and um but this uh

906
00:39:01,920 --> 00:39:07,359
the antennas the RF network that we're building appears to be the more uh

907
00:39:07,359 --> 00:39:10,960
durable and strong network for us. So it

908
00:39:10,960 --> 00:39:12,880
is possible that we may look to put more

909
00:39:12,880 --> 00:39:15,839
antennas up throughout the city ideally

910
00:39:15,839 --> 00:39:18,000
on city- owned properties.

911
00:39:18,000 --> 00:39:19,280
We're we're going to just start with

912
00:39:19,280 --> 00:39:20,880
these two and see how it works. And if

913
00:39:20,880 --> 00:39:22,880
we start seeing some failures throughout

914
00:39:22,880 --> 00:39:25,119
the city, we'll we'll we'll see about

915
00:39:25,119 --> 00:39:26,400
other locations.

916
00:39:26,400 --> 00:39:28,320
>> Thank you.

917
00:39:28,320 --> 00:39:29,599
>> Any other questions?

918
00:39:29,599 --> 00:39:30,480
>> I move this.

919
00:39:30,480 --> 00:39:32,000
>> Second.

920
00:39:32,000 --> 00:39:33,119
>> All those in favor?

921
00:39:33,119 --> 00:39:34,320
>> I

922
00:39:34,320 --> 00:39:35,200
>> thank you very much.

923
00:39:35,200 --> 00:39:38,880
>> Thank you. Our next item uh item number

924
00:39:38,880 --> 00:39:40,720
two is to authorize the mayor or his

925
00:39:40,720 --> 00:39:42,480
designate to enter into supplemental

926
00:39:42,480 --> 00:39:44,240
agreement number three with New York

927
00:39:44,240 --> 00:39:45,760
State Department of Transportation for

928
00:39:45,760 --> 00:39:48,400
the Broadway Mill and Phil 4th Street to

929
00:39:48,400 --> 00:39:52,160
Weaver Street pin 1760.42.

930
00:39:52,160 --> 00:39:54,160
Mr. Wallen.

931
00:39:54,160 --> 00:39:57,680
>> Hello. Um the DOT reached out to uh our

932
00:39:57,680 --> 00:40:00,079
finance department last week um about

933
00:40:00,079 --> 00:40:02,079
not being able to reimburse the city the

934
00:40:02,079 --> 00:40:04,640
full amount for this project and they

935
00:40:04,640 --> 00:40:06,400
recommended that we pass a supplemental

936
00:40:06,400 --> 00:40:08,400
agreement. This is more of an accounting

937
00:40:08,400 --> 00:40:10,079
issue than anything else. The project

938
00:40:10,079 --> 00:40:11,599
has actually been done for several

939
00:40:11,599 --> 00:40:13,440
years, but we were in the process of

940
00:40:13,440 --> 00:40:16,000
closing it out and the DOT um noticed

941
00:40:16,000 --> 00:40:18,480
this um issue. So they've asked that we

942
00:40:18,480 --> 00:40:20,560
pass this supplemental agreement. In the

943
00:40:20,560 --> 00:40:22,800
footnotes, you'll see it says this

944
00:40:22,800 --> 00:40:25,040
supplemental agreement adds $100,000

945
00:40:25,040 --> 00:40:28,720
plus $18,000 marches funding of that was

946
00:40:28,720 --> 00:40:32,160
removed an error on essay number two. So

947
00:40:32,160 --> 00:40:33,920
they caught the error and this was to

948
00:40:33,920 --> 00:40:40,950
rectify the error on

949
00:40:40,960 --> 00:40:42,800
so

950
00:40:42,800 --> 00:40:46,160
that here um we paid we didn't have we

951
00:40:46,160 --> 00:40:48,240
didn't um we didn't allocate enough

952
00:40:48,240 --> 00:40:49,520
money. Is that what they're saying? Is

953
00:40:49,520 --> 00:40:50,640
that what you're saying?

954
00:40:50,640 --> 00:40:52,880
>> They mistakenly took out some money that

955
00:40:52,880 --> 00:40:53,760
they shouldn't have when they did

956
00:40:53,760 --> 00:40:55,119
supplemental agreement number two. So

957
00:40:55,119 --> 00:40:55,920
now they need to put it back.

958
00:40:55,920 --> 00:40:57,280
>> No, no, no. They need to put it back.

959
00:40:57,280 --> 00:40:57,680
>> Y

960
00:40:57,680 --> 00:40:59,520
>> What's the impact on on our budget

961
00:40:59,520 --> 00:41:01,119
regarding that?

962
00:41:01,119 --> 00:41:02,640
>> No, it's just we just need to get it to

963
00:41:02,640 --> 00:41:04,000
get reimbured. We've already have it out

964
00:41:04,000 --> 00:41:05,440
there. We just have an allocation out

965
00:41:05,440 --> 00:41:08,880
there of to get reimbured of probably

966
00:41:08,880 --> 00:41:11,839
about $100,000. This goes back to the

967
00:41:11,839 --> 00:41:15,200
original assumptions on the project for

968
00:41:15,200 --> 00:41:17,599
close out.

969
00:41:17,599 --> 00:41:18,960
So, we've already submitted all the

970
00:41:18,960 --> 00:41:20,240
paperwork.

971
00:41:20,240 --> 00:41:21,599
>> Everything has been submitted to close

972
00:41:21,599 --> 00:41:23,359
out the project. However, when they went

973
00:41:23,359 --> 00:41:25,599
to close it out, the money was not in

974
00:41:25,599 --> 00:41:27,599
the account and that was the reason

975
00:41:27,599 --> 00:41:30,160
internal error. So, this fixes it on

976
00:41:30,160 --> 00:41:31,520
their end and allows us to get

977
00:41:31,520 --> 00:41:33,119
reimbursed.

978
00:41:33,119 --> 00:41:35,920
>> Okay. Any other questions?

979
00:41:35,920 --> 00:41:39,920
>> Motion. I'll second. All in favor?

980
00:41:39,920 --> 00:41:43,119
>> Thank you. Uh and the um item number

981
00:41:43,119 --> 00:41:44,240
three is the waiver of the

982
00:41:44,240 --> 00:41:45,680
apprenticeship requirement for Central

983
00:41:45,680 --> 00:41:48,079
Park tennis court improvements contract.

984
00:41:48,079 --> 00:41:51,359
>> So right now we have out a contract for

985
00:41:51,359 --> 00:41:53,440
the reconstruction of the tennis courts

986
00:41:53,440 --> 00:41:56,480
in Central Park. Um it was a complete

987
00:41:56,480 --> 00:41:58,400
reconstruction of the parks. There are

988
00:41:58,400 --> 00:42:01,280
17 existing asphalt tennis courts. We'll

989
00:42:01,280 --> 00:42:02,960
be bringing forward a revised agreement

990
00:42:02,960 --> 00:42:04,800
with you at the next session. Uh the

991
00:42:04,800 --> 00:42:07,680
city and USA would like to completely

992
00:42:07,680 --> 00:42:10,319
reconstruct those 17 asphalt courts into

993
00:42:10,319 --> 00:42:12,960
18 post-tension concrete courts.

994
00:42:12,960 --> 00:42:15,359
Post-tension concrete is a specialized

995
00:42:15,359 --> 00:42:18,880
skill. It is not a typical concrete uh

996
00:42:18,880 --> 00:42:20,640
that you would see around here in our

997
00:42:20,640 --> 00:42:23,839
sidewalks or pads. It is a is a skill

998
00:42:23,839 --> 00:42:27,920
where you would be laying out these lines, these cables in the in the

999
00:42:27,920 --> 00:42:30,160
concrete, pouring the concrete and and

1000
00:42:30,160 --> 00:42:32,000
tensioning them to put some stress onto

1001
00:42:32,000 --> 00:42:33,920
the concrete. and it helps so that the

1002
00:42:33,920 --> 00:42:36,560
concrete doesn't crack um as the plane

1003
00:42:36,560 --> 00:42:39,599
surface wears. Um we do uh have been

1004
00:42:39,599 --> 00:42:41,920
reached out to by several contractors

1005
00:42:41,920 --> 00:42:43,839
over that are outside of New York State

1006
00:42:43,839 --> 00:42:45,440
and they do not have an apprentichip

1007
00:42:45,440 --> 00:42:47,440
program. Um the last time we did a

1008
00:42:47,440 --> 00:42:48,960
waiver such as this was for the golf

1009
00:42:48,960 --> 00:42:51,200
course irrigation contract as that was

1010
00:42:51,200 --> 00:42:52,960
also a specialty contract where we

1011
00:42:52,960 --> 00:42:54,800
wanted to make sure that the person that

1012
00:42:54,800 --> 00:42:56,640
we selected had at least 5 years

1013
00:42:56,640 --> 00:42:59,119
experience and uh certifications doing

1014
00:42:59,119 --> 00:43:01,119
at least 50 courts. I believe that's

1015
00:43:01,119 --> 00:43:03,920
what we're saying to do. So, we would

1016
00:43:03,920 --> 00:43:05,760
like to have the apprentichip program

1017
00:43:05,760 --> 00:43:07,680
waved as the bulk of the work is the

1018
00:43:07,680 --> 00:43:11,280
concrete for the courts. Um, 18 courts

1019
00:43:11,280 --> 00:43:13,359
and then the ancillary work is fencing

1020
00:43:13,359 --> 00:43:16,079
and things like that. So, this is not a

1021
00:43:16,079 --> 00:43:19,839
Wix law job. This is a a single prime um

1022
00:43:19,839 --> 00:43:22,240
contract. So, this is what we're looking

1023
00:43:22,240 --> 00:43:24,720
to do.

1024
00:43:24,720 --> 00:43:26,560
>> Um, you did mention that um the

1025
00:43:26,560 --> 00:43:28,640
contractors may couple questions may be

1026
00:43:28,640 --> 00:43:30,960
outside New York State. So is it we no

1027
00:43:30,960 --> 00:43:33,040
contractors within the state of New York

1028
00:43:33,040 --> 00:43:34,480
uh came forward to make a decision?

1029
00:43:34,480 --> 00:43:36,720
>> I'm not aware of any but I haven't I

1030
00:43:36,720 --> 00:43:40,880
haven't looked specifically. Um uh

1031
00:43:40,880 --> 00:43:44,240
so you know typically what we have done

1032
00:43:44,240 --> 00:43:46,319
in the past if we were worried is that

1033
00:43:46,319 --> 00:43:49,520
you know he would put it out get bids

1034
00:43:49,520 --> 00:43:51,599
back or no bids back and then move

1035
00:43:51,599 --> 00:43:54,000
forward his owner

1036
00:43:54,000 --> 00:43:58,870
and the father of it.

1037
00:43:58,880 --> 00:44:09,890
Can you blow up the hallway, sir?

1038
00:44:09,900 --> 00:44:11,359
[Music]

1039
00:44:11,359 --> 00:44:12,800
>> Go ahead. I'm sorry.

1040
00:44:12,800 --> 00:44:15,680
>> It's okay. Um, but so what I was saying

1041
00:44:15,680 --> 00:44:22,309
is that you

1042
00:44:22,319 --> 00:44:24,560
we would try to typically do is put this

1043
00:44:24,560 --> 00:44:26,880
out, see what we would get back. If we

1044
00:44:26,880 --> 00:44:28,800
got no bids back, we would put it out

1045
00:44:28,800 --> 00:44:31,119
again with the waiver. However, if we

1046
00:44:31,119 --> 00:44:34,000
were to do that, as crazy as it sounds,

1047
00:44:34,000 --> 00:44:35,680
we would actually most likely lose all

1048
00:44:35,680 --> 00:44:38,079
of the 2026 season because we're really

1049
00:44:38,079 --> 00:44:40,800
trying to complete the work this year,

1050
00:44:40,800 --> 00:44:42,720
the bulk of the concrete work, then let

1051
00:44:42,720 --> 00:44:44,880
the concrete cure over winter, come back

1052
00:44:44,880 --> 00:44:46,960
in the spring, and do a lot of the the

1053
00:44:46,960 --> 00:44:49,520
fencing and coatings. Um, because what

1054
00:44:49,520 --> 00:44:53,839
the USA is really banking on is that we have these courts constructed

1055
00:44:53,839 --> 00:44:56,480
and ready to play on June 1st. that way

1056
00:44:56,480 --> 00:44:58,720
that they can have a full season. Um, if

1057
00:44:58,720 --> 00:45:01,599
we have to push this to next year, um,

1058
00:45:01,599 --> 00:45:02,960
that means that they would lose the

1059
00:45:02,960 --> 00:45:06,000
entire season. Um, it's not to say that

1060
00:45:06,000 --> 00:45:07,440
there isn't ways that we can work around

1061
00:45:07,440 --> 00:45:09,280
it. The USA just however would not be

1062
00:45:09,280 --> 00:45:10,560
disconnected. They would have to make

1063
00:45:10,560 --> 00:45:12,319
accommodations elsewhere.

1064
00:45:12,319 --> 00:45:16,400
>> So, this is a way to kind of expedite um

1065
00:45:16,400 --> 00:45:20,880
the project. Um, also just full

1066
00:45:20,880 --> 00:45:22,480
disclosure is that I was originally

1067
00:45:22,480 --> 00:45:24,000
moving forward with doing this on a

1068
00:45:24,000 --> 00:45:26,560
source well contract. However, source

1069
00:45:26,560 --> 00:45:28,400
well is a purchasing agreement that the

1070
00:45:28,400 --> 00:45:30,640
city is a part of. However, as we move

1071
00:45:30,640 --> 00:45:32,800
forward through that, it was told to me

1072
00:45:32,800 --> 00:45:34,720
by our purchasing agent that the source

1073
00:45:34,720 --> 00:45:37,200
well contract can't be used for public

1074
00:45:37,200 --> 00:45:39,599
works type jobs, only for material style

1075
00:45:39,599 --> 00:45:42,960
jobs. So, this cross the materials into

1076
00:45:42,960 --> 00:45:45,920
a public works job. So, we lost some

1077
00:45:45,920 --> 00:45:47,280
time on that. We've been working back

1078
00:45:47,280 --> 00:45:48,960
and forth on the design and that's been

1079
00:45:48,960 --> 00:45:51,359
changed a lot. Um, the USA has been

1080
00:45:51,359 --> 00:45:53,280
actively reviewing this project for 4

1081
00:45:53,280 --> 00:45:54,880
months to make sure that it meets all

1082
00:45:54,880 --> 00:45:56,640
their requirements because nobody wants

1083
00:45:56,640 --> 00:45:58,880
to spend $3.5 million on tennis courts

1084
00:45:58,880 --> 00:46:00,720
and then not have them exactly right to

1085
00:46:00,720 --> 00:46:02,720
serve the tournaments.

1086
00:46:02,720 --> 00:46:07,760
>> So, this long story about how we just

1087
00:46:07,760 --> 00:46:09,599
passing it now and seeing what we get

1088
00:46:09,599 --> 00:46:11,280
puts us in a better position to get the

1089
00:46:11,280 --> 00:46:13,359
project done by June 1st of next year.

1090
00:46:13,359 --> 00:46:16,000
>> That's right. And one other question,

1091
00:46:16,000 --> 00:46:18,640
concrete. I I wasn't accustomed to

1092
00:46:18,640 --> 00:46:20,240
seeing concrete on tennis court.

1093
00:46:20,240 --> 00:46:20,960
>> Mhm.

1094
00:46:20,960 --> 00:46:23,040
>> So that's different. New this is what

1095
00:46:23,040 --> 00:46:24,000
the USA

1096
00:46:24,000 --> 00:46:25,760
>> USA is pushing the concrete because

1097
00:46:25,760 --> 00:46:28,079
concrete does not heave like asphalt

1098
00:46:28,079 --> 00:46:29,680
does in the life of a concrete tennis

1099
00:46:29,680 --> 00:46:31,520
court. It's a minimum of 30 years, but

1100
00:46:31,520 --> 00:46:33,119
they're seeing probably upwards of 50

1101
00:46:33,119 --> 00:46:35,040
years. So the only thing that has to be

1102
00:46:35,040 --> 00:46:37,200
repaired is the the coating. Mhm.

1103
00:46:37,200 --> 00:46:39,040
>> Um that the courts themselves are a

1104
00:46:39,040 --> 00:46:41,040
harder court and they're working towards

1105
00:46:41,040 --> 00:46:43,440
uh the USA making uh these pre-retention

1106
00:46:43,440 --> 00:46:45,680
concrete courts the standard for

1107
00:46:45,680 --> 00:46:46,400
municipal.

1108
00:46:46,400 --> 00:46:48,800
>> Right. Thank you.

1109
00:46:48,800 --> 00:46:49,520
Any questions?

1110
00:46:49,520 --> 00:46:52,160
>> All right.

1111
00:46:52,160 --> 00:46:52,960
I'll second it.

1112
00:46:52,960 --> 00:46:54,880
>> All those in favor?

1113
00:46:54,880 --> 00:46:58,230
>> Thank you, Mr.

1114
00:46:58,240 --> 00:46:59,440
» Nothing else to come before city

1115
00:46:59,440 --> 00:47:00,720
development and planning entertain a

1116
00:47:00,720 --> 00:47:01,839
motion to adjourn.

1117
00:47:01,839 --> 00:47:03,520
>> So second.

1118
00:47:03,520 --> 00:47:06,079
>> All in favor? We are. Thank you very

1119
00:47:06,079 --> 00:47:06,560
much.

1120
00:47:06,560 --> 00:47:07,119
>> Okay.

1121
00:47:07,119 --> 00:47:08,480
>> Call the order of government operations.

1122
00:47:08,480 --> 00:47:12,000
We have one item on the agenda. Um Mr.

1123
00:47:12,000 --> 00:47:14,560
Nancy. Thank you, Councilman Farley,

1124
00:47:14,560 --> 00:47:16,000
members of the council. So, I brought

1125
00:47:16,000 --> 00:47:19,920
forth a proposal to create a housing

1126
00:47:19,920 --> 00:47:23,200
stability task force. Uh we've all seen

1127
00:47:23,200 --> 00:47:25,520
this the issue of good cause law is very

1128
00:47:25,520 --> 00:47:27,040
has been very divisive, but we have

1129
00:47:27,040 --> 00:47:28,400
people that are very passionate about

1130
00:47:28,400 --> 00:47:31,280
this. Um there is that wall of good

1131
00:47:31,280 --> 00:47:32,960
cause law. We could we could implement

1132
00:47:32,960 --> 00:47:34,720
that. I don't think we have agreement

1133
00:47:34,720 --> 00:47:37,040
even here on the council. Um we

1134
00:47:37,040 --> 00:47:39,359
certainly don't in the chamber in the uh

1135
00:47:39,359 --> 00:47:41,599
hearings that we've had. I voted against

1136
00:47:41,599 --> 00:47:44,160
the public hearing because I I'm

1137
00:47:44,160 --> 00:47:46,079
interested in creating a task force and

1138
00:47:46,079 --> 00:47:48,480
getting to work and looking at is this

1139
00:47:48,480 --> 00:47:50,319
the only option? Is this an option

1140
00:47:50,319 --> 00:47:52,880
necessary? What are other jurisdictions

1141
00:47:52,880 --> 00:47:54,800
doing? I've been since since this

1142
00:47:54,800 --> 00:47:56,480
brought before us, I've been doing some

1143
00:47:56,480 --> 00:47:58,319
research and looking at national

1144
00:47:58,319 --> 00:48:00,880
practices, local practices. What laws

1145
00:48:00,880 --> 00:48:02,240
are available? What funding are

1146
00:48:02,240 --> 00:48:03,760
available?

1147
00:48:03,760 --> 00:48:06,960
um and other strategies instead of

1148
00:48:06,960 --> 00:48:08,800
taking this template. Is there local

1149
00:48:08,800 --> 00:48:11,359
solutions that we can develop that we're

1150
00:48:11,359 --> 00:48:13,920
relying on? Um landlords have a

1151
00:48:13,920 --> 00:48:15,520
difficult time. You know, we have good

1152
00:48:15,520 --> 00:48:17,760
cause evictions. There are good causes.

1153
00:48:17,760 --> 00:48:19,200
Maybe we have a task force. We look at

1154
00:48:19,200 --> 00:48:20,800
those causes, drill down more into that

1155
00:48:20,800 --> 00:48:22,559
data. Is it because the individual

1156
00:48:22,559 --> 00:48:24,240
suffering from mental health issues? Is

1157
00:48:24,240 --> 00:48:26,160
it some other issues? Is there things we

1158
00:48:26,160 --> 00:48:27,680
can remove that cause so they don't have

1159
00:48:27,680 --> 00:48:29,760
to evict? Can we support landlords in

1160
00:48:29,760 --> 00:48:32,480
that way? We can reduce evictions by not

1161
00:48:32,480 --> 00:48:34,400
having to go to court. What have we done

1162
00:48:34,400 --> 00:48:35,760
at that? What have we done in those

1163
00:48:35,760 --> 00:48:38,720
cases? Um, code enforcement, how how

1164
00:48:38,720 --> 00:48:41,040
responsive are they to to incences? Are

1165
00:48:41,040 --> 00:48:42,880
they printing over the codes? Are they

1166
00:48:42,880 --> 00:48:44,319
getting there? What's their case though

1167
00:48:44,319 --> 00:48:46,319
look like? What are they doing to remove

1168
00:48:46,319 --> 00:48:48,880
the issues that landlords bring up? Is

1169
00:48:48,880 --> 00:48:52,960
there another kind of line? Can can um

1170
00:48:52,960 --> 00:48:55,599
tenants also report it to some somewhere

1171
00:48:55,599 --> 00:48:57,920
else where they don't feel retaliation?

1172
00:48:57,920 --> 00:49:00,559
and the code the the code violation has

1173
00:49:00,559 --> 00:49:02,000
been called and it's been resolved and

1174
00:49:02,000 --> 00:49:04,079
we get that information both to land on

1175
00:49:04,079 --> 00:49:06,880
the tenant to make that process that is

1176
00:49:06,880 --> 00:49:13,119
more cooperative than adversarial. Um I propose we bring together stakeholders

1177
00:49:13,119 --> 00:49:15,200
local stakeholders um from the agencies

1178
00:49:15,200 --> 00:49:17,520
that know these issues the best and come

1179
00:49:17,520 --> 00:49:18,720
up with a real solution for us

1180
00:49:18,720 --> 00:49:20,800
connected. I think that's that brings us

1181
00:49:20,800 --> 00:49:22,960
great potential for us as a community

1182
00:49:22,960 --> 00:49:25,359
and and if if that doesn't work if we

1183
00:49:25,359 --> 00:49:27,280
can't come to any kind of agreement we

1184
00:49:27,280 --> 00:49:31,520
have we can opt into good cause law if folks agree to that. So I brought

1185
00:49:31,520 --> 00:49:34,800
this idea forward and I asked that uh we

1186
00:49:34,800 --> 00:49:39,599
move it for a vote to the council

1187
00:49:39,599 --> 00:49:45,030
questions.

1188
00:49:45,040 --> 00:49:46,400
I I just want to say I think it's a

1189
00:49:46,400 --> 00:49:48,640
great idea. Um and I think it's pretty

1190
00:49:48,640 --> 00:49:51,040
well laid out. Um I I think it's a good

1191
00:49:51,040 --> 00:49:52,960
way to get folks talking with one

1192
00:49:52,960 --> 00:49:55,200
another and um especially bringing some

1193
00:49:55,200 --> 00:49:56,800
of the experts together from some of the

1194
00:49:56,800 --> 00:50:00,559
agencies. Um so I you know I'm

1195
00:50:00,559 --> 00:50:02,640
completely in favor of it. Um and I

1196
00:50:02,640 --> 00:50:07,280
appreciate you putting it forward.

1197
00:50:07,280 --> 00:50:12,559
>> Yeah. like um I like the idea that we

1198
00:50:12,559 --> 00:50:15,520
creating this um task force

1199
00:50:15,520 --> 00:50:19,920
um is it I think it's going to help us

1200
00:50:19,920 --> 00:50:22,720
to get to bring everyone to the table to

1201
00:50:22,720 --> 00:50:25,200
hear um the concern and to address um

1202
00:50:25,200 --> 00:50:27,920
the concern that is lingering out there.

1203
00:50:27,920 --> 00:50:29,599
Um

1204
00:50:29,599 --> 00:50:31,760
you mentioned stakeholders, landlord,

1205
00:50:31,760 --> 00:50:34,319
tenants, housing advocate, nonprofit and

1206
00:50:34,319 --> 00:50:36,880
developer. What I would like to see that

1207
00:50:36,880 --> 00:50:38,640
when we create this task force is that

1208
00:50:38,640 --> 00:50:41,280
these um agencies

1209
00:50:41,280 --> 00:50:43,520
um

1210
00:50:43,520 --> 00:50:46,079
they are from Skenctity I landlord,

1211
00:50:46,079 --> 00:50:48,319
tenants, housing advocates, nonforprofit

1212
00:50:48,319 --> 00:50:52,079
and developer um

1213
00:50:52,079 --> 00:50:53,359
we should have people who based in

1214
00:50:53,359 --> 00:50:55,839
Skenctity especially some for profit

1215
00:50:55,839 --> 00:50:58,079
that is based in Skenctity we should

1216
00:50:58,079 --> 00:51:00,240
>> select them and the housing advocate

1217
00:51:00,240 --> 00:51:02,240
developer landlord and tenants out to

1218
00:51:02,240 --> 00:51:04,480
Skenctity because this is a skenity

1219
00:51:04,480 --> 00:51:06,160
thing. We should have people from

1220
00:51:06,160 --> 00:51:10,559
Skenctity advocating, meeting uh working

1221
00:51:10,559 --> 00:51:13,520
to come to a solution uh both benefit

1222
00:51:13,520 --> 00:51:16,640
the landlord and benefit tenants and we

1223
00:51:16,640 --> 00:51:18,480
can able to move forward with hearing

1224
00:51:18,480 --> 00:51:21,440
concerns from our local residents and

1225
00:51:21,440 --> 00:51:23,760
groups.

1226
00:51:23,760 --> 00:51:25,280
Question

1227
00:51:25,280 --> 00:51:27,680
are you suggesting that people who serve

1228
00:51:27,680 --> 00:51:30,319
on this task force there to be a task

1229
00:51:30,319 --> 00:51:32,079
force that they live in the city of

1230
00:51:32,079 --> 00:51:33,359
committee? Okay,

1231
00:51:33,359 --> 00:51:34,559
>> that is something we have done on the

1232
00:51:34,559 --> 00:51:36,640
boards and you know you know city city

1233
00:51:36,640 --> 00:51:38,319
boards that you have to have you must be

1234
00:51:38,319 --> 00:51:39,359
a resident

1235
00:51:39,359 --> 00:51:40,800
>> to serve on the board. So I want to make

1236
00:51:40,800 --> 00:51:41,839
sure that we

1237
00:51:41,839 --> 00:51:44,480
>> when we set up the task force is um

1238
00:51:44,480 --> 00:51:46,480
comprised of people from skenctity non

1239
00:51:46,480 --> 00:51:48,240
forprofit from skenctity housing group

1240
00:51:48,240 --> 00:51:49,760
from skenctity. Okay. Because you're

1241
00:51:49,760 --> 00:51:52,160
saying a non forprofit from Skenctity,

1242
00:51:52,160 --> 00:51:54,960
it could be a Skenctity. I first number

1243
00:51:54,960 --> 00:51:57,839
one, I I agree that every I would like

1244
00:51:57,839 --> 00:52:00,559
to see all of our um doors if we're

1245
00:52:00,559 --> 00:52:02,160
talking about city issues have people

1246
00:52:02,160 --> 00:52:06,160
that live in the city connected. I'm I'm a fan of that. I know that sometimes

1247
00:52:06,160 --> 00:52:07,599
you get to where there's areas of

1248
00:52:07,599 --> 00:52:10,400
certain expertise um that people offer

1249
00:52:10,400 --> 00:52:11,920
that might not live in the city. I think

1250
00:52:11,920 --> 00:52:14,880
that, you know, that's um there's value

1251
00:52:14,880 --> 00:52:17,040
there, too. But when you're saying like

1252
00:52:17,040 --> 00:52:19,599
a a nonforprofit

1253
00:52:19,599 --> 00:52:22,240
that's based out connected so like a lot

1254
00:52:22,240 --> 00:52:25,359
of the nonprofits that are operates

1255
00:52:25,359 --> 00:52:27,440
connected but their board of directors

1256
00:52:27,440 --> 00:52:28,960
people don't live in connectivity a lot

1257
00:52:28,960 --> 00:52:31,359
of their staff don't live in sketity so

1258
00:52:31,359 --> 00:52:33,760
I guess I'm trying to make it clear the

1259
00:52:33,760 --> 00:52:36,160
distinction from in order to serve this

1260
00:52:36,160 --> 00:52:37,839
board you have to live in sketity that's

1261
00:52:37,839 --> 00:52:41,040
what you're saying no non forprofits

1262
00:52:41,040 --> 00:52:43,119
providing service in skity let me just

1263
00:52:43,119 --> 00:52:46,480
do an example I cap they They're located

1264
00:52:46,480 --> 00:52:47,599
in Skenctity.

1265
00:52:47,599 --> 00:52:49,440
>> I want to see them on the board

1266
00:52:49,440 --> 00:52:51,359
>> to help us the house.

1267
00:52:51,359 --> 00:52:53,280
>> So you don't have to live in

1268
00:52:53,280 --> 00:52:54,880
>> I want the organization to be in

1269
00:52:54,880 --> 00:52:57,040
Skenctity. I want housing advocates to

1270
00:52:57,040 --> 00:52:58,319
be in Skenctity.

1271
00:52:58,319 --> 00:53:00,400
>> I don't want somebody from Bethlehem to

1272
00:53:00,400 --> 00:53:01,839
come and be on this board because we

1273
00:53:01,839 --> 00:53:04,079
don't do that on our city boards having

1274
00:53:04,079 --> 00:53:05,520
non-residents.

1275
00:53:05,520 --> 00:53:07,040
>> So I think that's what we need to do to

1276
00:53:07,040 --> 00:53:10,160
focus on on skconity the skinnity

1277
00:53:10,160 --> 00:53:11,280
concerns.

1278
00:53:11,280 --> 00:53:12,880
>> Okay. So Okay. So you're not you don't

1279
00:53:12,880 --> 00:53:13,680
have to

1280
00:53:13,680 --> 00:53:15,760
>> no for non for profofit has to be based

1281
00:53:15,760 --> 00:53:17,760
in skinny work if you work is connected

1282
00:53:17,760 --> 00:53:19,119
you could live anywhere but work is

1283
00:53:19,119 --> 00:53:21,040
connected and you're saying that that's

1284
00:53:21,040 --> 00:53:23,040
>> I'm not I'm not in favor of taking a

1285
00:53:23,040 --> 00:53:25,359
agency X out of Albany to help us solve

1286
00:53:25,359 --> 00:53:29,109
our problem here

1287
00:53:29,119 --> 00:53:31,760
» well I I definitely in reading this I

1288
00:53:31,760 --> 00:53:34,160
was thinking of some of the nonprofits

1289
00:53:34,160 --> 00:53:36,480
that are related to housing and knowing

1290
00:53:36,480 --> 00:53:38,079
some of the executive directors for

1291
00:53:38,079 --> 00:53:41,040
example um I wasn't sure that they

1292
00:53:41,040 --> 00:53:43,040
necessarily lived in the city of

1293
00:53:43,040 --> 00:53:46,240
Skenctity. Um so I would too suggest

1294
00:53:46,240 --> 00:53:48,079
that um we make sure we have the

1295
00:53:48,079 --> 00:53:51,839
relevant uh providers um represented.

1296
00:53:51,839 --> 00:53:54,400
But if an executive director I I don't

1297
00:53:54,400 --> 00:53:55,599
even know but I mean let's say they

1298
00:53:55,599 --> 00:53:58,400
lived in Scotia uh and worked in

1299
00:53:58,400 --> 00:54:02,079
Skenctity um at a skenctity housing

1300
00:54:02,079 --> 00:54:06,240
related um agency that I think that

1301
00:54:06,240 --> 00:54:08,480
would be okay. I guess also I would say

1302
00:54:08,480 --> 00:54:10,160
that it would seem to me that we'd want

1303
00:54:10,160 --> 00:54:12,400
to make sure that the landlords in

1304
00:54:12,400 --> 00:54:14,880
particular weren't necessarily the

1305
00:54:14,880 --> 00:54:16,400
landlords that might be a part of this

1306
00:54:16,400 --> 00:54:19,280
task force wouldn't necessarily be you

1307
00:54:19,280 --> 00:54:22,000
know from New York City or something

1308
00:54:22,000 --> 00:54:25,119
like that. So I I I feel like that's

1309
00:54:25,119 --> 00:54:27,440
more important I guess than uh the

1310
00:54:27,440 --> 00:54:30,240
nonprofit piece uh in terms of I would

1311
00:54:30,240 --> 00:54:31,680
want to make sure the landlords are

1312
00:54:31,680 --> 00:54:32,960
locally based.

1313
00:54:32,960 --> 00:54:33,680
>> So you

1314
00:54:33,680 --> 00:54:35,760
>> the representatives on the task force.

1315
00:54:35,760 --> 00:54:37,680
So we're saying that any or

1316
00:54:37,680 --> 00:54:39,359
representative that's on this task force

1317
00:54:39,359 --> 00:54:41,040
would have to resign and connect.

1318
00:54:41,040 --> 00:54:45,440
>> I I think that would be important.

1319
00:54:45,440 --> 00:54:47,040
>> I'm open to debating that. But that's

1320
00:54:47,040 --> 00:54:49,599
about

1321
00:54:49,599 --> 00:54:55,750
>> any other questions, comments on this.

1322
00:54:55,760 --> 00:54:57,839
» Thank you, Sister Mancini. How um how

1323
00:54:57,839 --> 00:55:00,640
would these uh individuals or nonprofits

1324
00:55:00,640 --> 00:55:02,800
or whatever who would pick them? How

1325
00:55:02,800 --> 00:55:04,480
would they end up on the task force or

1326
00:55:04,480 --> 00:55:07,119
push? everyone at the table. Um what are

1327
00:55:07,119 --> 00:55:09,040
your plans on who would be the head of

1328
00:55:09,040 --> 00:55:11,440
this task force and how would these

1329
00:55:11,440 --> 00:55:15,280
individuals um uh what would the agenda

1330
00:55:15,280 --> 00:55:18,000
be? Who would make the agenda um instead

1331
00:55:18,000 --> 00:55:19,440
of just a whole bunch of people just

1332
00:55:19,440 --> 00:55:21,920
sitting around talking about things?

1333
00:55:21,920 --> 00:55:22,559
>> I mean

1334
00:55:22,559 --> 00:55:23,440
>> yeah I I

1335
00:55:23,440 --> 00:55:25,440
>> what more do you have for us? I'd like

1336
00:55:25,440 --> 00:55:28,240
to select

1337
00:55:28,240 --> 00:55:30,319
uh people interested in being on it but

1338
00:55:30,319 --> 00:55:32,559
have a chair co-chair and we can bring

1339
00:55:32,559 --> 00:55:36,480
nominations to to the council for

1340
00:55:36,480 --> 00:55:38,400
approval would be one way of doing that.

1341
00:55:38,400 --> 00:55:41,599
>> Who would who would you put that out to?

1342
00:55:41,599 --> 00:55:44,079
>> All council members for recommendations.

1343
00:55:44,079 --> 00:55:47,359
Um thinking director of development um

1344
00:55:47,359 --> 00:55:49,200
any other principles landlord

1345
00:55:49,200 --> 00:55:52,079
association slick. Um, you know, I'm

1346
00:55:52,079 --> 00:55:55,520
certainly open for uh recommendations. I

1347
00:55:55,520 --> 00:55:56,960
don't want to go ahead and do it on my

1348
00:55:56,960 --> 00:56:00,160
own, but folks um there's folks from the

1349
00:56:00,160 --> 00:56:03,280
Sketchy Foundation. Um I think any of

1350
00:56:03,280 --> 00:56:05,680
those groups that have been very active,

1351
00:56:05,680 --> 00:56:07,200
we get the representatives on each of

1352
00:56:07,200 --> 00:56:08,559
those groups. So, we're hitting with

1353
00:56:08,559 --> 00:56:10,319
those folks that are really passionate

1354
00:56:10,319 --> 00:56:11,760
and close to this issue.

1355
00:56:11,760 --> 00:56:13,520
>> Absolutely. which we all are, but who's

1356
00:56:13,520 --> 00:56:15,760
going to

1357
00:56:15,760 --> 00:56:18,319
>> I could I could I could um begin that

1358
00:56:18,319 --> 00:56:20,400
process and maybe work with um

1359
00:56:20,400 --> 00:56:23,920
Alexandria if if she's closest to this

1360
00:56:23,920 --> 00:56:27,100
issue from the city.

1361
00:56:27,100 --> 00:56:30,630
[Music]

1362
00:56:30,640 --> 00:56:35,440
» Alex the staff person. Yeah,

1363
00:56:35,440 --> 00:56:37,280
>> we make

1364
00:56:37,280 --> 00:56:39,440
staff available to support it, but Alex

1365
00:56:39,440 --> 00:56:40,960
would be

1366
00:56:40,960 --> 00:56:42,480
>> one of the parties.

1367
00:56:42,480 --> 00:56:44,880
>> I could work with the mayor and

1368
00:56:44,880 --> 00:56:46,960
President Porterfield to develop that

1369
00:56:46,960 --> 00:56:49,040
list.

1370
00:56:49,040 --> 00:56:50,720
>> And how long do you think that'll take

1371
00:56:50,720 --> 00:56:52,480
in addition to the four months when you

1372
00:56:52,480 --> 00:56:54,319
want when we would want an answer back

1373
00:56:54,319 --> 00:56:55,359
from this task force?

1374
00:56:55,359 --> 00:56:57,200
>> I would like to have it after if it were

1375
00:56:57,200 --> 00:57:00,240
to pass within 30 days. We have a

1376
00:57:00,240 --> 00:57:01,920
membership recommendation for

1377
00:57:01,920 --> 00:57:04,720
membership. Would

1378
00:57:04,720 --> 00:57:08,720
you be expecting resumes or I you know

1379
00:57:08,720 --> 00:57:10,240
from individuals who want to be on this

1380
00:57:10,240 --> 00:57:10,960
task force?

1381
00:57:10,960 --> 00:57:13,200
>> I think I'd like to yeah um people can

1382
00:57:13,200 --> 00:57:16,160
send recommendations of who they and and

1383
00:57:16,160 --> 00:57:17,839
uh some rationale why they would be

1384
00:57:17,839 --> 00:57:19,200
appropriate for this task force that

1385
00:57:19,200 --> 00:57:22,000
they have subject knowledge on it. So

1386
00:57:22,000 --> 00:57:26,160
you see this as a

1387
00:57:26,160 --> 00:57:28,400
instead of

1388
00:57:28,400 --> 00:57:30,000
root cause this task force

1389
00:57:30,000 --> 00:57:32,880
>> for for me um this and I appreciate you

1390
00:57:32,880 --> 00:57:35,440
bringing up obviously it's an issue very

1391
00:57:35,440 --> 00:57:38,799
passion people are very u concerned with

1392
00:57:38,799 --> 00:57:41,040
um for me I don't know enough about the

1393
00:57:41,040 --> 00:57:43,599
issue what's been done what's what's

1394
00:57:43,599 --> 00:57:45,760
worked what's not I'd like to get more

1395
00:57:45,760 --> 00:57:46,960
information I thought this would be a

1396
00:57:46,960 --> 00:57:49,200
way for us to get there um it doesn't

1397
00:57:49,200 --> 00:57:52,480
seem this may pass if we voted on it

1398
00:57:52,480 --> 00:57:56,799
today or or or and to then we'll make

1399
00:57:56,799 --> 00:57:58,480
new channels. This is an opportunity for

1400
00:57:58,480 --> 00:58:00,319
us to get to work and say maybe we don't

1401
00:58:00,319 --> 00:58:02,960
need it. Maybe the people involved in

1402
00:58:02,960 --> 00:58:05,280
the in this maybe as a city we come we

1403
00:58:05,280 --> 00:58:07,280
can come up with a better plan cuz then

1404
00:58:07,280 --> 00:58:08,799
because given this will drill down more

1405
00:58:08,799 --> 00:58:11,200
into that data will the people really

1406
00:58:11,200 --> 00:58:13,280
affected by this. What are the causes

1407
00:58:13,280 --> 00:58:15,280
for you being affected? can what we can

1408
00:58:15,280 --> 00:58:17,680
do what can we do outside of the box

1409
00:58:17,680 --> 00:58:20,319
threes out those and maybe that we can

1410
00:58:20,319 --> 00:58:22,720
do better than the law I've been you

1411
00:58:22,720 --> 00:58:24,960
know partner of laws past implementing

1412
00:58:24,960 --> 00:58:27,680
them and and writing them or assisting

1413
00:58:27,680 --> 00:58:31,200
them and the best um for me the best

1414
00:58:31,200 --> 00:58:32,799
initiatives are those that are locally

1415
00:58:32,799 --> 00:58:34,720
driven and the people are lying on them

1416
00:58:34,720 --> 00:58:37,359
and behind them um I don't know that

1417
00:58:37,359 --> 00:58:38,880
good cause would get us there but I

1418
00:58:38,880 --> 00:58:40,319
think something we developed

1419
00:58:40,319 --> 00:58:42,720
collectively that was that specific to

1420
00:58:42,720 --> 00:58:45,359
connectity I think that would a long way

1421
00:58:45,359 --> 00:58:48,640
to resolving these issues. So, so my

1422
00:58:48,640 --> 00:58:52,160
question is cuz

1423
00:58:52,160 --> 00:58:54,400
good cause the main purpose of good

1424
00:58:54,400 --> 00:58:57,599
cause is to offer tenant protections

1425
00:58:57,599 --> 00:59:01,359
um need tenant protections and

1426
00:59:01,359 --> 00:59:05,520
nowhere do I see this task force that's

1427
00:59:05,520 --> 00:59:08,480
not offering tenant protections. So I

1428
00:59:08,480 --> 00:59:11,520
don't see how this could stand in place

1429
00:59:11,520 --> 00:59:14,160
for good cause because it the primary

1430
00:59:14,160 --> 00:59:16,480
function of good cause this task force

1431
00:59:16,480 --> 00:59:19,599
wouldn't doesn't address. Um other

1432
00:59:19,599 --> 00:59:23,920
concerns would be I I think it's a a a

1433
00:59:23,920 --> 00:59:27,599
good idea. Um but then it's appropriate

1434
00:59:27,599 --> 00:59:29,920
context again not let replacing good

1435
00:59:29,920 --> 00:59:32,559
cause because it doesn't offer anything.

1436
00:59:32,559 --> 00:59:35,359
It's really um having people get

1437
00:59:35,359 --> 00:59:40,240
together and um look at data and then uh

1438
00:59:40,240 --> 00:59:45,359
make their uh help help us with some uh

1439
00:59:45,359 --> 00:59:47,440
information that right now already kind

1440
00:59:47,440 --> 00:59:50,000
of exists. I mean we like it says like

1441
00:59:50,000 --> 00:59:52,799
um you know

1442
00:59:52,799 --> 00:59:56,559
looking at uh the displacement and

1443
00:59:56,559 --> 00:59:59,119
eviction data we have that data and

1444
00:59:59,119 --> 01:00:01,200
actually that data was presented to us

1445
01:00:01,200 --> 01:00:04,079
already. Um, and what I don't want this

1446
01:00:04,079 --> 01:00:06,880
to be is to look at something that's um,

1447
01:00:06,880 --> 01:00:08,640
kind of performative in a way to kick

1448
01:00:08,640 --> 01:00:11,119
things down the road um, and not address

1449
01:00:11,119 --> 01:00:13,920
this because we're talking about um,

1450
01:00:13,920 --> 01:00:15,920
the, you know, people's livelihood and

1451
01:00:15,920 --> 01:00:17,280
this would be months and months before

1452
01:00:17,280 --> 01:00:19,599
this could even get formed. And then

1453
01:00:19,599 --> 01:00:21,200
once it's formed, we have to wait for it

1454
01:00:21,200 --> 01:00:24,880
to be for it to operationalize to get back and give us data that we

1455
01:00:24,880 --> 01:00:28,000
already have. right now we have the data

1456
01:00:28,000 --> 01:00:32,079
um on all of the issues that are that are raised right here is

1457
01:00:32,079 --> 01:00:33,280
already data

1458
01:00:33,280 --> 01:00:37,040
>> and so I guess um my question would be

1459
01:00:37,040 --> 01:00:39,359
what more data would you be looking for

1460
01:00:39,359 --> 01:00:43,599
in order to like support good cause data

1461
01:00:43,599 --> 01:00:46,000
when we talk about tenant protections

1462
01:00:46,000 --> 01:00:50,720
and and the reasons for good cause um

1463
01:00:50,720 --> 01:00:53,440
could be because of behavioral issues

1464
01:00:53,440 --> 01:00:55,760
right they're disruptive they're not

1465
01:00:55,760 --> 01:00:58,960
paying their rent. Um

1466
01:00:58,960 --> 01:01:01,119
I don't know them all those two stand

1467
01:01:01,119 --> 01:01:02,000
out

1468
01:01:02,000 --> 01:01:04,480
>> and that would bear out in the data.

1469
01:01:04,480 --> 01:01:06,960
>> And then what have we done to stop to

1470
01:01:06,960 --> 01:01:12,960
remove those issues? Is it okay good cause? So 90% of the evictions 70%

1471
01:01:12,960 --> 01:01:14,960
meet good cause criteria this law won't

1472
01:01:14,960 --> 01:01:17,440
do much. But if 70% of the time we can

1473
01:01:17,440 --> 01:01:19,359
intervene and come up with solutions we

1474
01:01:19,359 --> 01:01:22,400
can reduce that number down to maybe 20

1475
01:01:22,400 --> 01:01:25,760
30%. because we to develop strategies

1476
01:01:25,760 --> 01:01:27,440
that are addressing the behaviors that

1477
01:01:27,440 --> 01:01:30,240
are leading to the eviction. Is it lack

1478
01:01:30,240 --> 01:01:33,359
of funds? What's what's available? Are

1479
01:01:33,359 --> 01:01:34,880
they reimbursement rates? How

1480
01:01:34,880 --> 01:01:36,880
reimbursement?

1481
01:01:36,880 --> 01:01:38,240
What have we done for behavioral? Have

1482
01:01:38,240 --> 01:01:39,440
we addressed that? We're going to pass

1483
01:01:39,440 --> 01:01:41,280
this on to someone else. Could we hurt

1484
01:01:41,280 --> 01:01:42,799
this person? They're going to go to the

1485
01:01:42,799 --> 01:01:44,640
next place. They're going to go again.

1486
01:01:44,640 --> 01:01:46,640
Okay. Are there ways? What have they

1487
01:01:46,640 --> 01:01:48,000
been involved in the social service? Is

1488
01:01:48,000 --> 01:01:49,200
there something that can help with that?

1489
01:01:49,200 --> 01:01:51,599
Can we resolve those crisis? respond to

1490
01:01:51,599 --> 01:01:53,599
praises in a way that works when we keep

1491
01:01:53,599 --> 01:01:55,440
them in those homes. Once they're in

1492
01:01:55,440 --> 01:01:56,880
those homes, what have we done to

1493
01:01:56,880 --> 01:01:58,960
stabilize that? What supports do we have

1494
01:01:58,960 --> 01:02:00,960
in place rather than do we call the

1495
01:02:00,960 --> 01:02:03,119
police? Are there things they can do to

1496
01:02:03,119 --> 01:02:06,559
offer supports of attendance that

1497
01:02:06,559 --> 01:02:09,200
objectate that reason or need to evict

1498
01:02:09,200 --> 01:02:11,119
or call the police? I'd like to look at

1499
01:02:11,119 --> 01:02:12,319
that data. What are the nature of the

1500
01:02:12,319 --> 01:02:14,079
cause? What's happening in our code

1501
01:02:14,079 --> 01:02:16,160
enforcement office? Are they responding

1502
01:02:16,160 --> 01:02:18,160
in a way we hope that they would? is

1503
01:02:18,160 --> 01:02:20,640
asserting residents both tenants and

1504
01:02:20,640 --> 01:02:22,799
landlords. We need a lot of anecdotal

1505
01:02:22,799 --> 01:02:24,480
information, but I don't have enough

1506
01:02:24,480 --> 01:02:26,880
specifics to what that looks like. I

1507
01:02:26,880 --> 01:02:28,319
mean, those things we can look at to see

1508
01:02:28,319 --> 01:02:31,119
what we can do to build up our system

1509
01:02:31,119 --> 01:02:33,119
that can support both tenants and

1510
01:02:33,119 --> 01:02:36,400
landlords. Okay. So,

1511
01:02:36,400 --> 01:02:39,119
a lot a lot said and a lot of good

1512
01:02:39,119 --> 01:02:42,079
things. Um but like when you talk about

1513
01:02:42,079 --> 01:02:44,880
disruptive tenants and and for

1514
01:02:44,880 --> 01:02:47,359
non-payment as issues under good cause

1515
01:02:47,359 --> 01:02:51,280
as it exists those are both uh good

1516
01:02:51,280 --> 01:02:52,559
reasons to evict.

1517
01:02:52,559 --> 01:02:55,520
>> So in other words if we had passed good

1518
01:02:55,520 --> 01:02:58,880
cause and then we got information that

1519
01:02:58,880 --> 01:03:00,880
there was a lot of uh evictions for

1520
01:03:00,880 --> 01:03:04,400
non-payment that it wouldn't be it

1521
01:03:04,400 --> 01:03:05,839
wouldn't be an issue. So, in other

1522
01:03:05,839 --> 01:03:08,559
words, the good cause already allows for

1523
01:03:08,559 --> 01:03:10,799
that. And what you're saying is I I

1524
01:03:10,799 --> 01:03:12,960
think it's good to look at the data. Um

1525
01:03:12,960 --> 01:03:15,520
I think that as much deep diving as we

1526
01:03:15,520 --> 01:03:17,839
could do, we can do, but the data that

1527
01:03:17,839 --> 01:03:21,359
is not uh um

1528
01:03:21,359 --> 01:03:23,039
uh

1529
01:03:23,039 --> 01:03:26,559
anecdotal data is that about us being

1530
01:03:26,559 --> 01:03:28,160
third in the state for its eviction

1531
01:03:28,160 --> 01:03:30,000
right now like that. So, we don't we

1532
01:03:30,000 --> 01:03:32,240
don't have to do a study on knowing

1533
01:03:32,240 --> 01:03:32,640
that,

1534
01:03:32,640 --> 01:03:34,799
>> right? we have an eviction problem here,

1535
01:03:34,799 --> 01:03:37,599
right? So that so this is why good cause

1536
01:03:37,599 --> 01:03:39,760
um addresses that. So again, I don't

1537
01:03:39,760 --> 01:03:43,839
think that it's wrong or a bad idea. I

1538
01:03:43,839 --> 01:03:46,160
think in the context of not passing good

1539
01:03:46,160 --> 01:03:48,640
cause to do this. I think it

1540
01:03:48,640 --> 01:03:51,119
>> it doesn't offer any of the protections

1541
01:03:51,119 --> 01:03:52,880
that good cause and we already have the

1542
01:03:52,880 --> 01:03:53,520
data

1543
01:03:53,520 --> 01:03:56,000
>> as far as eviction. All right. Well, and

1544
01:03:56,000 --> 01:03:57,839
then Oh, sorry. I'm sorry.

1545
01:03:57,839 --> 01:04:02,079
>> And then part of the um and some of the

1546
01:04:02,079 --> 01:04:04,160
other things that are in the legislative

1547
01:04:04,160 --> 01:04:08,079
request are like um having, you know,

1548
01:04:08,079 --> 01:04:10,240
public forums and engaging stakeholder

1549
01:04:10,240 --> 01:04:11,760
voices.

1550
01:04:11,760 --> 01:04:15,520
We just put forth to have a public

1551
01:04:15,520 --> 01:04:18,079
hearing, but it got voted down. You see

1552
01:04:18,079 --> 01:04:20,079
what I'm saying? So, it's like it's it's

1553
01:04:20,079 --> 01:04:23,039
difficult for me to see why if we're

1554
01:04:23,039 --> 01:04:24,960
looking for public voices and

1555
01:04:24,960 --> 01:04:26,960
stakeholder information and we bring

1556
01:04:26,960 --> 01:04:28,880
forth the opportunity to do that as a

1557
01:04:28,880 --> 01:04:31,119
public hearing, why why would we go with

1558
01:04:31,119 --> 01:04:32,400
that? You see what I'm saying? So, it

1559
01:04:32,400 --> 01:04:33,680
doesn't look like that.

1560
01:04:33,680 --> 01:04:37,520
>> Why I think you're ready. Go ahead.

1561
01:04:37,520 --> 01:04:41,910
Whenever you're ready for the first

1562
01:04:41,920 --> 01:04:42,720
is he responding.

1563
01:04:42,720 --> 01:04:47,039
>> Yeah. Yeah. So I I gave the reason why I

1564
01:04:47,039 --> 01:04:49,039
didn't support the public hearing. I

1565
01:04:49,039 --> 01:04:50,960
wanted to get busy done on this. And

1566
01:04:50,960 --> 01:04:54,319
with the good cause, if you look at 90%

1567
01:04:54,319 --> 01:04:55,839
now, I don't know, you know, we're at

1568
01:04:55,839 --> 01:04:59,839
that level. And if like I said, 70% did

1569
01:04:59,839 --> 01:05:01,520
meet good cause standards. So nothing

1570
01:05:01,520 --> 01:05:05,039
for the landlords to worry about, right?

1571
01:05:05,039 --> 01:05:07,280
>> But it is for the tenants because we

1572
01:05:07,280 --> 01:05:09,039
didn't do anything other than that. And

1573
01:05:09,039 --> 01:05:10,640
so what are we doing about that to keep

1574
01:05:10,640 --> 01:05:12,319
them in those homes? So that the

1575
01:05:12,319 --> 01:05:14,400
placement is not disruptive. And if we

1576
01:05:14,400 --> 01:05:15,920
don't do something like this, we miss

1577
01:05:15,920 --> 01:05:18,000
that opportunity to take a look at that

1578
01:05:18,000 --> 01:05:20,000
data and keep them in the homes and what

1579
01:05:20,000 --> 01:05:22,720
supports aren't we given or providing

1580
01:05:22,720 --> 01:05:24,880
that maybe have and taking a critical

1581
01:05:24,880 --> 01:05:27,119
look. We could be avoiding many of those

1582
01:05:27,119 --> 01:05:29,200
evictions.

1583
01:05:29,200 --> 01:05:33,760
>> That's I agree 100% with that as far as

1584
01:05:33,760 --> 01:05:37,520
giving it that President.

1585
01:05:37,520 --> 01:05:40,240
So, um I think that you know as what

1586
01:05:40,240 --> 01:05:41,440
she's already been said that a lot of

1587
01:05:41,440 --> 01:05:42,799
the data that you're looking for it

1588
01:05:42,799 --> 01:05:44,640
already exists and then and I don't

1589
01:05:44,640 --> 01:05:47,599
believe that it requires an additional

1590
01:05:47,599 --> 01:05:49,680
committee to get the data because it

1591
01:05:49,680 --> 01:05:51,920
exists and and can one or two people do

1592
01:05:51,920 --> 01:05:53,839
it. I think I believe that there are

1593
01:05:53,839 --> 01:05:55,599
agencies out there already that have

1594
01:05:55,599 --> 01:05:58,160
this data readily available and if you

1595
01:05:58,160 --> 01:06:00,000
need it in a compact way then you just

1596
01:06:00,000 --> 01:06:02,240
bring it all together that's fine. Um

1597
01:06:02,240 --> 01:06:05,200
and that makes sense to me. Um, and also

1598
01:06:05,200 --> 01:06:07,200
you talked about what about code

1599
01:06:07,200 --> 01:06:08,559
enforcement, about keeping people in

1600
01:06:08,559 --> 01:06:10,559
their apartments and SCAP does a lot of

1601
01:06:10,559 --> 01:06:12,559
that work already. So there's already a

1602
01:06:12,559 --> 01:06:15,200
lot of the work being done that this

1603
01:06:15,200 --> 01:06:17,200
call this call this task force calls

1604
01:06:17,200 --> 01:06:20,559
for. So

1605
01:06:20,559 --> 01:06:24,400
my concern is that as Miss Duturo has

1606
01:06:24,400 --> 01:06:26,079
asked about the process of getting

1607
01:06:26,079 --> 01:06:28,160
people on board. So on boarding people

1608
01:06:28,160 --> 01:06:30,240
is a whole process in itself. So we're

1609
01:06:30,240 --> 01:06:32,240
adding that time to the 120 days that

1610
01:06:32,240 --> 01:06:34,799
you mentioned. Um and in addition to

1611
01:06:34,799 --> 01:06:37,839
that then there's a selection process

1612
01:06:37,839 --> 01:06:39,200
that that for me is a little bit up in

1613
01:06:39,200 --> 01:06:41,520
the air because when you ask for a

1614
01:06:41,520 --> 01:06:44,480
public um a public hearing any and

1615
01:06:44,480 --> 01:06:46,880
everyone can come to that then we don't

1616
01:06:46,880 --> 01:06:49,359
select who whose voice is heard at this

1617
01:06:49,359 --> 01:06:52,880
table um at at the housing table and um

1618
01:06:52,880 --> 01:06:54,480
and just just for the record because

1619
01:06:54,480 --> 01:06:56,640
within your um within your legislative

1620
01:06:56,640 --> 01:06:58,559
request it said something about us being

1621
01:06:58,559 --> 01:07:00,319
reactive and I just want to and I know

1622
01:07:00,319 --> 01:07:01,599
that you weren't on the council back

1623
01:07:01,599 --> 01:07:04,079
then but in 2020 22, we did have a

1624
01:07:04,079 --> 01:07:05,839
housing form. So, this discussion has

1625
01:07:05,839 --> 01:07:08,240
been going on for a while. Uh, it's not

1626
01:07:08,240 --> 01:07:12,240
new. Um, the other concern I have is

1627
01:07:12,240 --> 01:07:15,039
that in terms of who will be on the task

1628
01:07:15,039 --> 01:07:17,280
force,

1629
01:07:17,280 --> 01:07:20,160
if we're looking for representation,

1630
01:07:20,160 --> 01:07:22,799
that's people who I feel like the best

1631
01:07:22,799 --> 01:07:25,440
voice to be heard is a people who are

1632
01:07:25,440 --> 01:07:29,440
impacted, not be it landlord or tenant.

1633
01:07:29,440 --> 01:07:33,760
And for the individuals who I believe um

1634
01:07:33,760 --> 01:07:36,960
good cause mostly impacts in terms of

1635
01:07:36,960 --> 01:07:41,599
tenants, they don't have the um the

1636
01:07:41,599 --> 01:07:45,680
liberty or the ke the um extra time to

1637
01:07:45,680 --> 01:07:47,920
be on a task force because I'm guessing

1638
01:07:47,920 --> 01:07:49,680
that if you want to do this, it can't be

1639
01:07:49,680 --> 01:07:52,319
during work hours. It has to be after

1640
01:07:52,319 --> 01:07:55,839
hours. And then again, how do we how do

1641
01:07:55,839 --> 01:07:58,319
we decide who can come and who can't

1642
01:07:58,319 --> 01:08:00,480
come? So those are, you know, those are

1643
01:08:00,480 --> 01:08:03,200
concerns for me and um again I think

1644
01:08:03,200 --> 01:08:05,280
it's just one more burden uh upon

1645
01:08:05,280 --> 01:08:07,920
tenants and landlords quite frankly that

1646
01:08:07,920 --> 01:08:09,680
we you know do more studies of things

1647
01:08:09,680 --> 01:08:11,839
that again I believe we're already here

1648
01:08:11,839 --> 01:08:13,839
that we can just pull the data together

1649
01:08:13,839 --> 01:08:15,920
within that time of onboarding we could

1650
01:08:15,920 --> 01:08:18,880
get um that that information together if

1651
01:08:18,880 --> 01:08:23,920
that's the concern. Um, so I'm not sure

1652
01:08:23,920 --> 01:08:25,759
of

1653
01:08:25,759 --> 01:08:28,960
how creating a task force gets us to the

1654
01:08:28,960 --> 01:08:31,120
point of gathering more information

1655
01:08:31,120 --> 01:08:35,679
beyond what currently exists because

1656
01:08:35,679 --> 01:08:37,759
it it's just already there. And again,

1657
01:08:37,759 --> 01:08:41,440
it's for me having like se us selecting

1658
01:08:41,440 --> 01:08:43,600
who could and could not be on there. How

1659
01:08:43,600 --> 01:08:45,359
do we make those determinations? I find

1660
01:08:45,359 --> 01:08:48,960
that challenging. Uh and it was

1661
01:08:48,960 --> 01:08:50,719
mentioned that we the people submit

1662
01:08:50,719 --> 01:08:54,319
their resumes and serving on a board um

1663
01:08:54,319 --> 01:08:57,440
a city board I believe is

1664
01:08:57,440 --> 01:09:00,159
I believe city serving on a city board

1665
01:09:00,159 --> 01:09:03,440
is different than than a task force. And

1666
01:09:03,440 --> 01:09:05,440
in my uh in my experience with task

1667
01:09:05,440 --> 01:09:07,040
force we've never asked people for their

1668
01:09:07,040 --> 01:09:08,319
resume. They just kind of like show up

1669
01:09:08,319 --> 01:09:10,239
and say I want to be on the task force

1670
01:09:10,239 --> 01:09:14,080
and and they're included. So, and this I

1671
01:09:14,080 --> 01:09:16,960
think closes kind of makes it more a

1672
01:09:16,960 --> 01:09:20,799
kind of a closed group as opposed to a

1673
01:09:20,799 --> 01:09:23,199
public forum, a public um hearing which

1674
01:09:23,199 --> 01:09:24,719
any and everyone regards to their

1675
01:09:24,719 --> 01:09:30,000
position can be heard. So I I I again

1676
01:09:30,000 --> 01:09:31,279
think we can gather the information

1677
01:09:31,279 --> 01:09:33,279
without creating this task force which

1678
01:09:33,279 --> 01:09:34,799
at this point in time we're talking 30

1679
01:09:34,799 --> 01:09:38,560
days to 120 150 days that we even you

1680
01:09:38,560 --> 01:09:41,440
know to get through this process which I

1681
01:09:41,440 --> 01:09:43,199
think information that's that's already

1682
01:09:43,199 --> 01:09:46,799
um current and within in terms of good

1683
01:09:46,799 --> 01:09:48,640
cause you did say you know maybe we

1684
01:09:48,640 --> 01:09:49,920
should look at something that's more

1685
01:09:49,920 --> 01:09:54,239
local and that would that would work. Is

1686
01:09:54,239 --> 01:09:56,320
it possible that we look at good cause

1687
01:09:56,320 --> 01:09:58,400
and see what works? Because we've not

1688
01:09:58,400 --> 01:10:01,040
had that discussion about, okay, here's

1689
01:10:01,040 --> 01:10:04,080
the good cause and there was one thing

1690
01:10:04,080 --> 01:10:05,840
we said about what a small landlord

1691
01:10:05,840 --> 01:10:07,840
looks like and then the percentage. Have

1692
01:10:07,840 --> 01:10:10,000
we looked at other parts of good cause

1693
01:10:10,000 --> 01:10:11,679
and said this works for skate activity

1694
01:10:11,679 --> 01:10:13,040
or this doesn't because there's already

1695
01:10:13,040 --> 01:10:14,719
a framework out there, right?

1696
01:10:14,719 --> 01:10:16,800
>> And is that a better way to go as

1697
01:10:16,800 --> 01:10:18,880
opposed to like let's just throw that

1698
01:10:18,880 --> 01:10:20,560
out the window and let's start from

1699
01:10:20,560 --> 01:10:23,040
scratch. Well, my vision was that we

1700
01:10:23,040 --> 01:10:27,280
would that would be a critical um task

1701
01:10:27,280 --> 01:10:30,239
of this group is to look at that and and

1702
01:10:30,239 --> 01:10:32,800
what's been done, how that works. And

1703
01:10:32,800 --> 01:10:34,719
again, I don't I haven't been in the

1704
01:10:34,719 --> 01:10:37,440
council here about a year. I don't know

1705
01:10:37,440 --> 01:10:39,440
that we take it and we take all that out

1706
01:10:39,440 --> 01:10:40,800
there, but actually, you know, people

1707
01:10:40,800 --> 01:10:43,280
can come and do public testimony, but

1708
01:10:43,280 --> 01:10:45,199
it's not a conversation. And that we

1709
01:10:45,199 --> 01:10:46,800
come together, we have a vision, and you

1710
01:10:46,800 --> 01:10:48,080
want a strength that works for both

1711
01:10:48,080 --> 01:10:49,679
landlords and tenants.

1712
01:10:49,679 --> 01:10:51,040
>> That's the vision. and that's why we're

1713
01:10:51,040 --> 01:10:53,679
all here. Now, let's create that. I

1714
01:10:53,679 --> 01:10:55,040
don't know that we've ever done that,

1715
01:10:55,040 --> 01:10:57,040
but that's to me could have powerful

1716
01:10:57,040 --> 01:10:59,199
outcomes and outcomes that work. Let's

1717
01:10:59,199 --> 01:11:01,360
take that data in a way that this is the

1718
01:11:01,360 --> 01:11:03,760
end game cuz it works for both parties,

1719
01:11:03,760 --> 01:11:06,159
all parties. So, how do we get there?

1720
01:11:06,159 --> 01:11:07,520
And we take that data and this is the

1721
01:11:07,520 --> 01:11:09,360
direction we want to go. And I think

1722
01:11:09,360 --> 01:11:11,600
that could have a powerful outcome. I

1723
01:11:11,600 --> 01:11:13,360
don't know that the law itself will get

1724
01:11:13,360 --> 01:11:16,239
us there. That that's my thinking behind

1725
01:11:16,239 --> 01:11:18,480
this is let's take this on and let's

1726
01:11:18,480 --> 01:11:20,400
develop this

1727
01:11:20,400 --> 01:11:23,040
So can I ask clarify? Yes sir.

1728
01:11:23,040 --> 01:11:26,560
>> All right. So just just to clarify

1729
01:11:26,560 --> 01:11:28,719
you you're stating that the task force

1730
01:11:28,719 --> 01:11:30,800
would be would gather information all

1731
01:11:30,800 --> 01:11:32,800
the findings etc. So and I am saying

1732
01:11:32,800 --> 01:11:35,520
that though that already exists and in

1733
01:11:35,520 --> 01:11:37,840
my opinion we don't need a task force to

1734
01:11:37,840 --> 01:11:39,520
gather information that currently

1735
01:11:39,520 --> 01:11:40,640
exists.

1736
01:11:40,640 --> 01:11:43,199
>> It's it's not a new information. Is that

1737
01:11:43,199 --> 01:11:44,800
an individual and I'm not trying to put

1738
01:11:44,800 --> 01:11:47,199
work on on city staff. Is that an

1739
01:11:47,199 --> 01:11:49,679
individual? Is it you and whomever who

1740
01:11:49,679 --> 01:11:51,920
can just gather the data? I don't think

1741
01:11:51,920 --> 01:11:55,120
it takes 120 days to gather the data

1742
01:11:55,120 --> 01:11:57,280
because it exists already. It's just a

1743
01:11:57,280 --> 01:12:00,000
matter of or because it won't be new.

1744
01:12:00,000 --> 01:12:01,520
>> It's already there.

1745
01:12:01,520 --> 01:12:03,920
>> So, she's done.

1746
01:12:03,920 --> 01:12:06,560
>> So, do we we can't just take the you

1747
01:12:06,560 --> 01:12:09,199
know gather the data again. It's I I

1748
01:12:09,199 --> 01:12:10,560
feel like let me just say that we're

1749
01:12:10,560 --> 01:12:12,719
just kicking the can down the road to

1750
01:12:12,719 --> 01:12:15,360
gather data which currently exists. And

1751
01:12:15,360 --> 01:12:18,080
I don't know that we need to to create a

1752
01:12:18,080 --> 01:12:21,120
whole task force and again who's going

1753
01:12:21,120 --> 01:12:23,120
to be on it, who chooses them. I think

1754
01:12:23,120 --> 01:12:24,960
that's a lot that hammers out. And

1755
01:12:24,960 --> 01:12:27,199
ideally, we always say it's going to be

1756
01:12:27,199 --> 01:12:28,719
this amount of time that we all lot to

1757
01:12:28,719 --> 01:12:30,880
that. But we all know in the work that

1758
01:12:30,880 --> 01:12:34,320
we do that sometimes we put a time limit

1759
01:12:34,320 --> 01:12:36,480
on it, but unfortunately

1760
01:12:36,480 --> 01:12:38,880
sometimes we have to go beyond that. So

1761
01:12:38,880 --> 01:12:40,480
I don't want this to be an ongoing

1762
01:12:40,480 --> 01:12:42,880
process.

1763
01:12:42,880 --> 01:12:44,400
Well, I actually think that it goes

1764
01:12:44,400 --> 01:12:46,640
beyond root cause. I think that what Mr.

1765
01:12:46,640 --> 01:12:48,080
Mancini, at least this is how I'm

1766
01:12:48,080 --> 01:12:51,280
interpreting this, um is the idea that

1767
01:12:51,280 --> 01:12:52,960
we're looking at housing stability.

1768
01:12:52,960 --> 01:12:54,960
We're looking at how we think about

1769
01:12:54,960 --> 01:12:57,040
quality of lives for the people that

1770
01:12:57,040 --> 01:12:59,280
live in in the city of Skenctity. And

1771
01:12:59,280 --> 01:13:02,400
so, you know, again, I think it's not

1772
01:13:02,400 --> 01:13:04,800
even about the data, which, you know, I

1773
01:13:04,800 --> 01:13:06,320
know that you in particular, for

1774
01:13:06,320 --> 01:13:08,400
example, when we talk about people that

1775
01:13:08,400 --> 01:13:10,400
are homeless, um, I think you wanted

1776
01:13:10,400 --> 01:13:12,080
more information and wanting to do more

1777
01:13:12,080 --> 01:13:14,320
research about the homelessness issue.

1778
01:13:14,320 --> 01:13:16,560
This would be something that, you know,

1779
01:13:16,560 --> 01:13:18,320
this task force would be talking about

1780
01:13:18,320 --> 01:13:20,960
housing issues that might also include

1781
01:13:20,960 --> 01:13:24,159
um the idea of homelessness within the

1782
01:13:24,159 --> 01:13:26,880
city. So, it would actually help us help

1783
01:13:26,880 --> 01:13:29,280
frame some of the it's not just about

1784
01:13:29,280 --> 01:13:30,880
good costs, I guess, is what I'm trying

1785
01:13:30,880 --> 01:13:33,679
to say. This is really talking about all

1786
01:13:33,679 --> 01:13:35,679
levels of housing stability within the

1787
01:13:35,679 --> 01:13:37,600
city of Connecticut. Am I right? Is that

1788
01:13:37,600 --> 01:13:39,760
what I'm reading in in your proposal?

1789
01:13:39,760 --> 01:13:41,920
Um, so I think that bringing people

1790
01:13:41,920 --> 01:13:44,880
together around a table, um, where they

1791
01:13:44,880 --> 01:13:46,640
really can have that chance to look at

1792
01:13:46,640 --> 01:13:49,520
the bigger picture of housing in the

1793
01:13:49,520 --> 01:13:51,440
city of Skenctity, whether it's

1794
01:13:51,440 --> 01:13:54,239
homelessness, whether it's, um, you

1795
01:13:54,239 --> 01:13:56,320
know, tenants rights, whether it's

1796
01:13:56,320 --> 01:13:58,320
landlords rights, whether it's how do we

1797
01:13:58,320 --> 01:14:01,520
educate both landlords and tenants about

1798
01:14:01,520 --> 01:14:03,920
their rights? Um, I mean, I feel like,

1799
01:14:03,920 --> 01:14:05,920
you know, in in in essence, so the task

1800
01:14:05,920 --> 01:14:08,640
force might, if I'm just spitballing

1801
01:14:08,640 --> 01:14:10,480
here, but having been a part of, you

1802
01:14:10,480 --> 01:14:12,080
know, other groups like this, you know,

1803
01:14:12,080 --> 01:14:13,360
maybe they're going to put together a

1804
01:14:13,360 --> 01:14:15,920
calendar of activities that um would

1805
01:14:15,920 --> 01:14:18,719
include different types of educational

1806
01:14:18,719 --> 01:14:23,280
forums um that would help to bring

1807
01:14:23,280 --> 01:14:24,960
information to the people that need it,

1808
01:14:24,960 --> 01:14:26,320
whether it's tenants or whether it's

1809
01:14:26,320 --> 01:14:32,000
landlords. um as well as then we as um

1810
01:14:32,000 --> 01:14:34,400
policy you know working with staff I

1811
01:14:34,400 --> 01:14:36,560
should say but I mean it gives us that

1812
01:14:36,560 --> 01:14:39,520
overview um of things that maybe each of

1813
01:14:39,520 --> 01:14:41,760
us in our own experiences and in our own

1814
01:14:41,760 --> 01:14:43,840
work in our own volunteer lives or our

1815
01:14:43,840 --> 01:14:47,280
professional lives we've we've seen um

1816
01:14:47,280 --> 01:14:50,480
and heard a lot um but I wouldn't I

1817
01:14:50,480 --> 01:14:52,239
wouldn't frame this around good cause

1818
01:14:52,239 --> 01:14:54,320
and I also just do want to hesit I want

1819
01:14:54,320 --> 01:14:56,880
to add that I'm sure you all have seen

1820
01:14:56,880 --> 01:14:59,440
that there's no deadline on good cause.

1821
01:14:59,440 --> 01:15:01,040
It's not like when we discussed the

1822
01:15:01,040 --> 01:15:04,320
cannabis issue, where we had a deadline

1823
01:15:04,320 --> 01:15:06,239
of December 31st, whatever year that

1824
01:15:06,239 --> 01:15:09,199
was, and we had to make a decision um by

1825
01:15:09,199 --> 01:15:11,520
that time. There is absolutely no

1826
01:15:11,520 --> 01:15:13,199
deadline on the good cause of eviction

1827
01:15:13,199 --> 01:15:14,719
law. So, I actually think we should

1828
01:15:14,719 --> 01:15:17,280
table that for a little bit um because

1829
01:15:17,280 --> 01:15:19,920
that opting in piece is not anything

1830
01:15:19,920 --> 01:15:22,960
that has to happen um with any urgency.

1831
01:15:22,960 --> 01:15:26,640
But this idea I feel gives us that I

1832
01:15:26,640 --> 01:15:29,440
that opportunity to and I don't I don't

1833
01:15:29,440 --> 01:15:32,159
mean just data I mean but really here

1834
01:15:32,159 --> 01:15:34,480
you know more in terms of I mean we've

1835
01:15:34,480 --> 01:15:36,159
had a lot of people that have come and

1836
01:15:36,159 --> 01:15:39,120
spoken at public hearings which is why

1837
01:15:39,120 --> 01:15:40,880
not public hearing but at our council

1838
01:15:40,880 --> 01:15:42,800
meetings which is why I voted against

1839
01:15:42,800 --> 01:15:44,320
the public hearing. I really feel like

1840
01:15:44,320 --> 01:15:47,280
we've had a huge amount over uh an

1841
01:15:47,280 --> 01:15:49,280
extended period of time of input from

1842
01:15:49,280 --> 01:15:51,920
both tenants and landlords on that. But

1843
01:15:51,920 --> 01:15:54,320
I'd like to see them come together at a

1844
01:15:54,320 --> 01:15:57,679
table um in the same way any of us do on

1845
01:15:57,679 --> 01:16:00,480
committees at our at our jobs um and

1846
01:16:00,480 --> 01:16:03,040
really be able to take a deep dive into

1847
01:16:03,040 --> 01:16:05,520
housing stability in the city of

1848
01:16:05,520 --> 01:16:07,600
Skenctity. So that's why I would support

1849
01:16:07,600 --> 01:16:08,239
this.

1850
01:16:08,239 --> 01:16:12,080
>> So just to give some context, so um once

1851
01:16:12,080 --> 01:16:14,719
Skenctity is doing a group that is that

1852
01:16:14,719 --> 01:16:16,480
they're doing that right now,

1853
01:16:16,480 --> 01:16:19,360
>> there's not the one thing that I heard

1854
01:16:19,360 --> 01:16:22,719
that isn't happening. Um right now we're

1855
01:16:22,719 --> 01:16:24,640
once connected there have multiple

1856
01:16:24,640 --> 01:16:27,280
community stakeholder meetings um

1857
01:16:27,280 --> 01:16:29,920
there's been landlord representation

1858
01:16:29,920 --> 01:16:31,920
tenant representation

1859
01:16:31,920 --> 01:16:34,400
um elected officials like even I think

1860
01:16:34,400 --> 01:16:36,880
you were at one of them so so this is

1861
01:16:36,880 --> 01:16:40,400
happening right now um

1862
01:16:40,400 --> 01:16:44,159
so just kind of want to make sure that

1863
01:16:44,159 --> 01:16:45,920
people understand that that just based

1864
01:16:45,920 --> 01:16:47,920
on what the description is here that's

1865
01:16:47,920 --> 01:16:50,880
happening now and and so I've seen

1866
01:16:50,880 --> 01:16:53,120
significant distinctions between that

1867
01:16:53,120 --> 01:16:55,120
and what we're talking about here. I

1868
01:16:55,120 --> 01:16:57,360
guess my question is

1869
01:16:57,360 --> 01:17:01,440
um so now kind of flushing through this

1870
01:17:01,440 --> 01:17:05,760
missing. So this wouldn't

1871
01:17:05,760 --> 01:17:08,159
if this is to Miss Passion point that

1872
01:17:08,159 --> 01:17:10,320
goes beyond the cause. It's not just

1873
01:17:10,320 --> 01:17:12,480
around the cost which I I agree. I think

1874
01:17:12,480 --> 01:17:13,920
anytime the more conversations that we

1875
01:17:13,920 --> 01:17:15,600
have more people we can get involved

1876
01:17:15,600 --> 01:17:18,159
housing stability a great thing. Um so

1877
01:17:18,159 --> 01:17:21,120
are you saying that now

1878
01:17:21,120 --> 01:17:24,080
um that this wouldn't be in this is

1879
01:17:24,080 --> 01:17:29,040
something that could happen in uh

1880
01:17:29,040 --> 01:17:31,920
combination with good cause or is this

1881
01:17:31,920 --> 01:17:34,719
something that can only happen in your

1882
01:17:34,719 --> 01:17:37,840
point of view um separate from good

1883
01:17:37,840 --> 01:17:40,719
cause?

1884
01:17:40,719 --> 01:17:45,440
>> Both can be true. Okay. Okay. All right.

1885
01:17:45,440 --> 01:17:48,159
So, um, I'm sorry.

1886
01:17:48,159 --> 01:17:52,239
>> No, no, but you just for me, I'd like us

1887
01:17:52,239 --> 01:17:55,199
to have an opportunity to develop

1888
01:17:55,199 --> 01:17:58,400
solutions that are going to be generated

1889
01:17:58,400 --> 01:18:01,440
and that are specific to Sketchy issues,

1890
01:18:01,440 --> 01:18:03,440
but the players are disconnected

1891
01:18:03,440 --> 01:18:05,520
residents, the code enforcement, even

1892
01:18:05,520 --> 01:18:07,199
social service, I'm sure, has a role

1893
01:18:07,199 --> 01:18:09,520
that we want to focus there and beyond

1894
01:18:09,520 --> 01:18:11,760
the community. And specifically, are we

1895
01:18:11,760 --> 01:18:13,040
really drilling down into the real

1896
01:18:13,040 --> 01:18:16,080
issues? I don't need two evictions with

1897
01:18:16,080 --> 01:18:17,440
a good cause when we're not going to get

1898
01:18:17,440 --> 01:18:20,480
there. So I' I I'd like to for for me

1899
01:18:20,480 --> 01:18:22,400
I'd like before we pass the law, I would

1900
01:18:22,400 --> 01:18:25,440
need to do that. We we we address it and

1901
01:18:25,440 --> 01:18:27,920
resolve it ourselves without that need

1902
01:18:27,920 --> 01:18:32,159
would be to me like great that home run.

1903
01:18:32,159 --> 01:18:34,080
>> That would that would be great. But the

1904
01:18:34,080 --> 01:18:36,320
issues that uh Skenctity is third in the

1905
01:18:36,320 --> 01:18:38,480
state for victim people right now and

1906
01:18:38,480 --> 01:18:41,199
that task force um could probably give

1907
01:18:41,199 --> 01:18:43,520
us some really good information. Um but

1908
01:18:43,520 --> 01:18:45,760
the the again the function of good cause

1909
01:18:45,760 --> 01:18:48,000
cuz I think that we're um what we're

1910
01:18:48,000 --> 01:18:50,560
saying might not exactly be what we're

1911
01:18:50,560 --> 01:18:52,560
meaning cuz I'm picking up on different

1912
01:18:52,560 --> 01:18:54,800
things here. It's like good cause the

1913
01:18:54,800 --> 01:18:57,840
purpose of that is to keep people um

1914
01:18:57,840 --> 01:19:00,560
from wrong convicted. So like evicted.

1915
01:19:00,560 --> 01:19:02,880
So I guess my question was to you is

1916
01:19:02,880 --> 01:19:05,440
hearing the people that came to the rail

1917
01:19:05,440 --> 01:19:07,840
um do you believe that people are

1918
01:19:07,840 --> 01:19:09,440
getting

1919
01:19:09,440 --> 01:19:11,679
uh retaliatory patients do you believe

1920
01:19:11,679 --> 01:19:12,800
them what they're saying that some

1921
01:19:12,800 --> 01:19:14,239
people that that's a something that's

1922
01:19:14,239 --> 01:19:14,560
happening

1923
01:19:14,560 --> 01:19:16,640
>> I'm sure that's happening I'm sure the

1924
01:19:16,640 --> 01:19:18,480
people that are doing that mostly would

1925
01:19:18,480 --> 01:19:21,120
cause law as well

1926
01:19:21,120 --> 01:19:21,760
>> but yeah

1927
01:19:21,760 --> 01:19:23,600
>> well I mean I mean we have all sorts of

1928
01:19:23,600 --> 01:19:25,280
laws that people break them all the time

1929
01:19:25,280 --> 01:19:26,560
that's the reason why we have them right

1930
01:19:26,560 --> 01:19:28,640
so like the fact that if I'm a bad

1931
01:19:28,640 --> 01:19:30,560
landlord they're not going skirt the

1932
01:19:30,560 --> 01:19:31,840
good cause law.

1933
01:19:31,840 --> 01:19:33,920
>> So those you know bad players in either

1934
01:19:33,920 --> 01:19:35,199
end are but you know they're going to do

1935
01:19:35,199 --> 01:19:37,199
it but we're going to hit that

1936
01:19:37,199 --> 01:19:39,920
>> abs that don't need the law

1937
01:19:39,920 --> 01:19:41,360
>> now we're talking that that makes sense

1938
01:19:41,360 --> 01:19:44,640
to me. So so I guess my the next point

1939
01:19:44,640 --> 01:19:48,719
then Mr. I'll go to you um would be uh

1940
01:19:48,719 --> 01:19:50,320
Miss Patrick you said that you know

1941
01:19:50,320 --> 01:19:52,560
there's no deadline on good cause like

1942
01:19:52,560 --> 01:19:55,440
there is on other like on the canvas you

1943
01:19:55,440 --> 01:19:57,840
have the cannabis well the key

1944
01:19:57,840 --> 01:19:59,600
distinction from that to me that we need

1945
01:19:59,600 --> 01:20:02,560
to make is that um one was talking about

1946
01:20:02,560 --> 01:20:04,640
like you know whether we can have a a

1947
01:20:04,640 --> 01:20:06,560
dispensary and the other one is talking

1948
01:20:06,560 --> 01:20:07,840
about whether the families in the city

1949
01:20:07,840 --> 01:20:10,000
can have some place to live so there is

1950
01:20:10,000 --> 01:20:12,080
a deadline for the people that have come

1951
01:20:12,080 --> 01:20:14,159
to us that we've heard the voices at the

1952
01:20:14,159 --> 01:20:17,199
rail unless we don't believe them. Um,

1953
01:20:17,199 --> 01:20:19,040
and I've heard landlords versus at the

1954
01:20:19,040 --> 01:20:21,040
rail around the horrible things that

1955
01:20:21,040 --> 01:20:22,719
tenants have put them through and I

1956
01:20:22,719 --> 01:20:25,360
believe them, too. I believe them 100%.

1957
01:20:25,360 --> 01:20:27,920
I believe that that's happening. where

1958
01:20:27,920 --> 01:20:29,600
we're getting where the disconnect is

1959
01:20:29,600 --> 01:20:32,800
happening is that all the negative and

1960
01:20:32,800 --> 01:20:35,199
horrible stories that are I believe to

1961
01:20:35,199 --> 01:20:38,000
be true when landlords are saying that

1962
01:20:38,000 --> 01:20:39,679
the that the tenants not paying the

1963
01:20:39,679 --> 01:20:42,000
rent, they're destroying the property,

1964
01:20:42,000 --> 01:20:43,760
they're breaking the lease, they're

1965
01:20:43,760 --> 01:20:45,440
having more people in the property than

1966
01:20:45,440 --> 01:20:47,840
what they're supposed to.

1967
01:20:47,840 --> 01:20:50,640
All of those things

1968
01:20:50,640 --> 01:20:53,040
under good cause

1969
01:20:53,040 --> 01:20:54,880
are permissible.

1970
01:20:54,880 --> 01:20:57,440
So the landlords under good cause for

1971
01:20:57,440 --> 01:20:58,880
all the things that they're sending us.

1972
01:20:58,880 --> 01:21:03,920
It offers those protections for them to evict people. It is not one thing

1973
01:21:03,920 --> 01:21:05,520
that you've mentioned that anyone has

1974
01:21:05,520 --> 01:21:06,960
mentioned at the railway doesn't. So,

1975
01:21:06,960 --> 01:21:10,960
what I'm saying is at this point, like

1976
01:21:10,960 --> 01:21:12,400
is this so if this is something that

1977
01:21:12,400 --> 01:21:16,320
you're uh willing to uh that you'd like

1978
01:21:16,320 --> 01:21:18,560
to see happen,

1979
01:21:18,560 --> 01:21:21,679
I I could uh

1980
01:21:21,679 --> 01:21:23,360
see why a task force would be a good

1981
01:21:23,360 --> 01:21:24,960
thing, but people are getting if you

1982
01:21:24,960 --> 01:21:27,920
know that people are getting retaliatory

1983
01:21:27,920 --> 01:21:30,320
evictions now and it's happening now,

1984
01:21:30,320 --> 01:21:33,040
then we need to do something about that

1985
01:21:33,040 --> 01:21:36,480
now because it doesn't hurt anyone in in

1986
01:21:36,480 --> 01:21:38,159
the way that landlords can still evict

1987
01:21:38,159 --> 01:21:40,080
every person who damages property or

1988
01:21:40,080 --> 01:21:41,760
doesn't pay their rent or breaks their

1989
01:21:41,760 --> 01:21:43,600
lease under good cost. So again, I'm

1990
01:21:43,600 --> 01:21:45,040
saying to you,

1991
01:21:45,040 --> 01:21:47,199
>> okay, I agree.

1992
01:21:47,199 --> 01:21:49,679
And then we can talk about the task

1993
01:21:49,679 --> 01:21:51,280
force. You know what the task force can

1994
01:21:51,280 --> 01:21:54,239
do in labor? But to to substitute it in

1995
01:21:54,239 --> 01:21:57,120
for good cause it

1996
01:21:57,120 --> 01:21:58,639
quite honestly on the face of it just

1997
01:21:58,639 --> 01:22:00,320
doesn't make sense cuz if you know that

1998
01:22:00,320 --> 01:22:02,719
people are being illegally evicted and

1999
01:22:02,719 --> 01:22:04,480
you believe that then we need to do

2000
01:22:04,480 --> 01:22:05,760
something to address that and that's

2001
01:22:05,760 --> 01:22:07,760
what could cause us.

2002
01:22:07,760 --> 01:22:10,480
>> Well maybe so

2003
01:22:10,480 --> 01:22:11,840
we got to be clear. So let's be clear.

2004
01:22:11,840 --> 01:22:13,120
So what you're saying is that people are

2005
01:22:13,120 --> 01:22:13,840
not being

2006
01:22:13,840 --> 01:22:16,560
>> No. What I'm saying is I don't this law

2007
01:22:16,560 --> 01:22:19,040
and it application interpretation of it

2008
01:22:19,040 --> 01:22:21,440
is going to is going to solve that. I

2009
01:22:21,440 --> 01:22:22,880
think us drilling down to the data and

2010
01:22:22,880 --> 01:22:25,760
what's happening will tell me what what

2011
01:22:25,760 --> 01:22:28,480
more what data are you looking for? Like

2012
01:22:28,480 --> 01:22:32,080
what other reasons for eviction

2013
01:22:32,080 --> 01:22:34,239
retaliations? What does that look like?

2014
01:22:34,239 --> 01:22:36,560
Is that is it a code enforcement thing?

2015
01:22:36,560 --> 01:22:38,560
Is it like like somebody's going to be

2016
01:22:38,560 --> 01:22:40,400
evicted, they call now they can't be

2017
01:22:40,400 --> 01:22:41,760
evicted? There are a lot of there's a

2018
01:22:41,760 --> 01:22:43,040
lot of information out there. Is it for

2019
01:22:43,040 --> 01:22:45,760
non-payment of rent? Is it the person's

2020
01:22:45,760 --> 01:22:47,679
having episodes and they have to be

2021
01:22:47,679 --> 01:22:49,280
evicted? So, are they going to push them

2022
01:22:49,280 --> 01:22:51,840
off to another landlord? Is there ways

2023
01:22:51,840 --> 01:22:54,159
we can stabilize that? What currently do

2024
01:22:54,159 --> 01:22:56,800
we do in cases like that?

2025
01:22:56,800 --> 01:22:58,719
>> How often do the police I mean the

2026
01:22:58,719 --> 01:23:01,520
incidents of domestic violence in police

2027
01:23:01,520 --> 01:23:03,199
responding? What do we do in those

2028
01:23:03,199 --> 01:23:04,800
situations? How do we stabilize people

2029
01:23:04,800 --> 01:23:06,800
in your home and community? Let's take a

2030
01:23:06,800 --> 01:23:08,480
broader look. Can we do something like

2031
01:23:08,480 --> 01:23:09,840
that where you don't have a need for the

2032
01:23:09,840 --> 01:23:17,760
law that that data we don't have? So, I I agree with all the things that

2033
01:23:17,760 --> 01:23:19,120
you're saying. These are good things we

2034
01:23:19,120 --> 01:23:22,000
d that we should be looking at. Again, I

2035
01:23:22,000 --> 01:23:25,199
don't see how the data offers any

2036
01:23:25,199 --> 01:23:28,080
protections for people while we

2037
01:23:28,080 --> 01:23:33,199
wait possibly, you know, 3 to 4 months

2038
01:23:33,199 --> 01:23:35,520
in the city with the highest with one of

2039
01:23:35,520 --> 01:23:36,960
the highest eviction rates in the state

2040
01:23:36,960 --> 01:23:39,199
as we wait another 3 or 4 months and

2041
01:23:39,199 --> 01:23:41,280
we're talking about displaced families.

2042
01:23:41,280 --> 01:23:42,719
Nothing that you're suggesting with this

2043
01:23:42,719 --> 01:23:45,679
task force would impact good cause. So,

2044
01:23:45,679 --> 01:23:47,199
I guess what I would say to you is this.

2045
01:23:47,199 --> 01:23:48,719
I guess this is a question and maybe you

2046
01:23:48,719 --> 01:23:51,840
could be my thought partner on this

2047
01:23:51,840 --> 01:23:54,400
know that it's happening

2048
01:23:54,400 --> 01:23:57,280
then maybe the way to go about it would

2049
01:23:57,280 --> 01:24:01,040
be to opt into good cause

2050
01:24:01,040 --> 01:24:03,280
and then the task force part of the

2051
01:24:03,280 --> 01:24:06,000
function of the task force can look at

2052
01:24:06,000 --> 01:24:08,560
how it's impacting the city because

2053
01:24:08,560 --> 01:24:10,800
that's information that we don't have

2054
01:24:10,800 --> 01:24:13,199
now right we don't have that information

2055
01:24:13,199 --> 01:24:16,400
right now but we do have the the high

2056
01:24:16,400 --> 01:24:17,760
eviction

2057
01:24:17,760 --> 01:24:21,199
data. We do have uh uh some of the

2058
01:24:21,199 --> 01:24:23,360
people came and presented us with a

2059
01:24:23,360 --> 01:24:24,880
different type of eviction data in the

2060
01:24:24,880 --> 01:24:26,800
city of Skenctity. We have that. You

2061
01:24:26,800 --> 01:24:28,159
know, that wasn't again that wasn't like

2062
01:24:28,159 --> 01:24:29,840
someone's opinion. That was, you know,

2063
01:24:29,840 --> 01:24:31,760
these are these are pulled from credible

2064
01:24:31,760 --> 01:24:33,600
data sources that they cited in the

2065
01:24:33,600 --> 01:24:39,120
information they gave us. So, maybe the the thing to do would be to

2066
01:24:39,120 --> 01:24:41,280
opt into good cause for offering those

2067
01:24:41,280 --> 01:24:45,199
protections to people, right? and then

2068
01:24:45,199 --> 01:24:48,400
use the task force to look at um how

2069
01:24:48,400 --> 01:24:50,320
it's impacting people and address some

2070
01:24:50,320 --> 01:24:51,760
of those other issues that we're talking

2071
01:24:51,760 --> 01:24:54,560
about that good cause. Would you is that

2072
01:24:54,560 --> 01:24:55,520
would you be open for that?

2073
01:24:55,520 --> 01:24:57,520
>> Well, I I like the idea of using good

2074
01:24:57,520 --> 01:24:59,600
cause as a motivator to bring people to

2075
01:24:59,600 --> 01:25:01,280
the table and and want to solve

2076
01:25:01,280 --> 01:25:02,800
problems. I think if we go past it, we

2077
01:25:02,800 --> 01:25:04,400
may lose a group or lose that

2078
01:25:04,400 --> 01:25:06,320
commitment. Okay. Who you think won't

2079
01:25:06,320 --> 01:25:07,679
come to the table?

2080
01:25:07,679 --> 01:25:09,360
>> I don't know. I just think it's good to

2081
01:25:09,360 --> 01:25:12,000
hang over that as a motivator for all of

2082
01:25:12,000 --> 01:25:15,280
us and for landlords and private

2083
01:25:15,280 --> 01:25:16,400
organizations.

2084
01:25:16,400 --> 01:25:18,239
>> I see that point for the group, but it's

2085
01:25:18,239 --> 01:25:20,239
like we're leveraging people's lives to

2086
01:25:20,239 --> 01:25:23,679
get if somebody really cares about we're

2087
01:25:23,679 --> 01:25:25,040
dealing with people's lives. I agree

2088
01:25:25,040 --> 01:25:27,120
with you. So, I don't know if passing

2089
01:25:27,120 --> 01:25:29,520
this law I I think good cause is good,

2090
01:25:29,520 --> 01:25:32,080
but I rather us for something great, but

2091
01:25:32,080 --> 01:25:33,920
it's a disconnected and I don't know

2092
01:25:33,920 --> 01:25:36,719
that good cause gets us there. But

2093
01:25:36,719 --> 01:25:39,280
>> that's that's just my show. Like I said,

2094
01:25:39,280 --> 01:25:42,629
we can go

2095
01:25:42,639 --> 01:25:44,080
a discussion.

2096
01:25:44,080 --> 01:25:45,199
>> Sure. Anybody else who wants to

2097
01:25:45,199 --> 01:25:46,800
participate? If we did, I was just

2098
01:25:46,800 --> 01:25:50,239
answering a question. I miss Patrick.

2099
01:25:50,239 --> 01:25:52,800
>> Um, and now I just lost what I was going

2100
01:25:52,800 --> 01:25:55,760
to say. Um, I really, really, really

2101
01:25:55,760 --> 01:25:58,320
want to stress that

2102
01:25:58,320 --> 01:26:00,639
again.

2103
01:26:00,639 --> 01:26:02,320
I mean, I feel like you're turning it

2104
01:26:02,320 --> 01:26:04,239
more into just trying to have a

2105
01:26:04,239 --> 01:26:07,040
conversation again about good cause.

2106
01:26:07,040 --> 01:26:08,960
>> It is. It is. It's in his legislation.

2107
01:26:08,960 --> 01:26:10,560
>> I'm just saying I'm just saying I I

2108
01:26:10,560 --> 01:26:12,639
think that you sound it seems like

2109
01:26:12,639 --> 01:26:14,960
you're trying to debate here on the good

2110
01:26:14,960 --> 01:26:17,199
cause on opting into good cause. And I

2111
01:26:17,199 --> 01:26:18,480
don't think what that that's what the

2112
01:26:18,480 --> 01:26:20,000
purpose of this discussion should have

2113
01:26:20,000 --> 01:26:25,520
been. Um I I also want to say that

2114
01:26:25,520 --> 01:26:27,120
it's been my experience over the last

2115
01:26:27,120 --> 01:26:29,520
several years um of watching what's been

2116
01:26:29,520 --> 01:26:31,040
going on and what's going on in the

2117
01:26:31,040 --> 01:26:34,639
state. Um that again I just want to

2118
01:26:34,639 --> 01:26:38,950
caution folks that

2119
01:26:38,960 --> 01:26:40,159
we don't even know what's going to

2120
01:26:40,159 --> 01:26:41,600
happen with good cause eviction

2121
01:26:41,600 --> 01:26:43,360
legislation. I mean they could change

2122
01:26:43,360 --> 01:26:45,679
that law. They could change the elements

2123
01:26:45,679 --> 01:26:48,480
of that law. Um, if you read about the

2124
01:26:48,480 --> 01:26:50,159
law, I mean, you can see that it still

2125
01:26:50,159 --> 01:26:53,520
could be in flux after after something

2126
01:26:53,520 --> 01:26:55,120
happens. Look what happened with the

2127
01:26:55,120 --> 01:26:57,920
cannabis dispensary. Um, you know, we

2128
01:26:57,920 --> 01:26:59,679
had a deadline by which we had to make a

2129
01:26:59,679 --> 01:27:02,719
decision. um we made a decision and

2130
01:27:02,719 --> 01:27:04,719
after we made the decision the state

2131
01:27:04,719 --> 01:27:06,880
went ahead and changed the regulations

2132
01:27:06,880 --> 01:27:10,239
within the um premise of the law and

2133
01:27:10,239 --> 01:27:12,239
they started saying you know things like

2134
01:27:12,239 --> 01:27:13,360
there were only going to be a certain

2135
01:27:13,360 --> 01:27:15,120
number of licenses there could only be a

2136
01:27:15,120 --> 01:27:16,480
certain number there could only be a

2137
01:27:16,480 --> 01:27:18,639
certain number of uh dispensaries that

2138
01:27:18,639 --> 01:27:20,880
could be I mean all this stuff that came

2139
01:27:20,880 --> 01:27:22,960
out after we all had to make a decision

2140
01:27:22,960 --> 01:27:25,520
about the law here first of all I don't

2141
01:27:25,520 --> 01:27:26,960
want to go back to the whole good cause

2142
01:27:26,960 --> 01:27:29,440
eviction but I will say since we don't

2143
01:27:29,440 --> 01:27:31,520
have to rush rush into good cause

2144
01:27:31,520 --> 01:27:34,320
eviction because there's no deadline uh

2145
01:27:34,320 --> 01:27:36,800
for what we what we do on that. I like

2146
01:27:36,800 --> 01:27:39,280
the task force idea because it brings

2147
01:27:39,280 --> 01:27:41,360
together folks, different voices in the

2148
01:27:41,360 --> 01:27:43,440
community. Yes, we heard them in the

2149
01:27:43,440 --> 01:27:46,800
public in the city council. Um so I did

2150
01:27:46,800 --> 01:27:48,560
vote against the public hearing, but

2151
01:27:48,560 --> 01:27:50,880
this is a way to bring in experts. Bring

2152
01:27:50,880 --> 01:27:53,920
in somebody from SCAP, bring in somebody

2153
01:27:53,920 --> 01:27:56,560
from um I I I don't know. I mean, I

2154
01:27:56,560 --> 01:27:58,239
would say like all the various

2155
01:27:58,239 --> 01:28:00,639
organizations in our community as well

2156
01:28:00,639 --> 01:28:03,360
as some representation by landlord,

2157
01:28:03,360 --> 01:28:05,920
representation by tenant. Um, the one

2158
01:28:05,920 --> 01:28:09,440
skinnctity piece I have to say sometimes

2159
01:28:09,440 --> 01:28:11,520
I read the stuff that that's coming out

2160
01:28:11,520 --> 01:28:13,679
and I think, well,

2161
01:28:13,679 --> 01:28:15,920
we still are the people, the city is

2162
01:28:15,920 --> 01:28:17,280
still the people that are going to have

2163
01:28:17,280 --> 01:28:20,480
to pass certain things. Um, like for

2164
01:28:20,480 --> 01:28:22,000
example, right now they're talking about

2165
01:28:22,000 --> 01:28:24,000
an app or whatever. I mean the landlords

2166
01:28:24,000 --> 01:28:26,560
are talking about the preferred um

2167
01:28:26,560 --> 01:28:28,320
listing. I can't remember the exact name

2168
01:28:28,320 --> 01:28:31,760
of it. I mean it all is going to operate

2169
01:28:31,760 --> 01:28:33,840
like separately from the city. I mean

2170
01:28:33,840 --> 01:28:35,920
really the city should be taking the

2171
01:28:35,920 --> 01:28:39,360
lead in in looking at housing in looking

2172
01:28:39,360 --> 01:28:41,360
at housing stability. And so I think

2173
01:28:41,360 --> 01:28:44,320
this is one way of trying to do that. So

2174
01:28:44,320 --> 01:28:46,400
get try to let's all try to get away

2175
01:28:46,400 --> 01:28:48,560
from the good cause eviction piece for a

2176
01:28:48,560 --> 01:28:50,639
second. let's get let's get away and

2177
01:28:50,639 --> 01:28:53,440
just start to think about the housing

2178
01:28:53,440 --> 01:28:57,040
situation in our city um in general. Um

2179
01:28:57,040 --> 01:28:58,639
and that's where I think and again I

2180
01:28:58,639 --> 01:29:00,960
mean I appreciate that the Skin

2181
01:29:00,960 --> 01:29:04,320
Foundation is you know having forums um

2182
01:29:04,320 --> 01:29:07,120
bringing folks together but again it's

2183
01:29:07,120 --> 01:29:08,719
stuff is still going to have to come to

2184
01:29:08,719 --> 01:29:12,719
the city um you know really or and the

2185
01:29:12,719 --> 01:29:14,400
county. I mean, by the way, there were

2186
01:29:14,400 --> 01:29:17,520
no county representation at the at the

2187
01:29:17,520 --> 01:29:18,960
forum that I did go to, and I was

2188
01:29:18,960 --> 01:29:21,199
sitting there thinking, wow, I mean,

2189
01:29:21,199 --> 01:29:22,719
that's where public health is. That's

2190
01:29:22,719 --> 01:29:25,199
where social services is. I mean, like,

2191
01:29:25,199 --> 01:29:26,719
you know, we should have those

2192
01:29:26,719 --> 01:29:29,440
legislators sitting with us um talking

2193
01:29:29,440 --> 01:29:33,040
about housing stability um here. So, you

2194
01:29:33,040 --> 01:29:34,719
know, I think I think that there has to

2195
01:29:34,719 --> 01:29:38,000
be a multi- what's the right word, you

2196
01:29:38,000 --> 01:29:41,679
know, or multi-pronged approach to to

2197
01:29:41,679 --> 01:29:44,400
the general issue um that I would like

2198
01:29:44,400 --> 01:29:46,159
to see happen because I mean, how many

2199
01:29:46,159 --> 01:29:47,840
of us have been involved in this for

2200
01:29:47,840 --> 01:29:51,040
years um trying to look at homelessness,

2201
01:29:51,040 --> 01:29:52,639
trying to look at people that are living

2202
01:29:52,639 --> 01:29:55,199
in poverty and trying to find solutions

2203
01:29:55,199 --> 01:29:57,600
and so you know,

2204
01:29:57,600 --> 01:30:00,480
>> so I I'll just respond to that and Mr.

2205
01:30:00,480 --> 01:30:02,080
Porfield.

2206
01:30:02,080 --> 01:30:04,239
Okay. Um, number one, I just want to

2207
01:30:04,239 --> 01:30:06,639
say, you know, you're kind kind of

2208
01:30:06,639 --> 01:30:08,880
mischaracterizing what I'm doing here.

2209
01:30:08,880 --> 01:30:10,719
Um, I want to read you the first

2210
01:30:10,719 --> 01:30:13,280
sentence in in the legislation. It says,

2211
01:30:13,280 --> 01:30:15,040
"The city was connected is currently

2212
01:30:15,040 --> 01:30:16,960
evaluating whether to opt into New York

2213
01:30:16,960 --> 01:30:18,880
State could cause eviction loan."

2214
01:30:18,880 --> 01:30:21,360
>> That sentence number one. The first

2215
01:30:21,360 --> 01:30:24,080
sentence in the evaluation uh next

2216
01:30:24,080 --> 01:30:26,639
paragraph is rather than focus nearly on

2217
01:30:26,639 --> 01:30:28,560
the reactive policy such as good cause

2218
01:30:28,560 --> 01:30:32,400
eviction. So to say that I'm taking this

2219
01:30:32,400 --> 01:30:34,320
legislation and making it about good

2220
01:30:34,320 --> 01:30:37,520
cause when the legislation itself is

2221
01:30:37,520 --> 01:30:40,719
about doing something other than good

2222
01:30:40,719 --> 01:30:42,560
cause. That's what's really happening.

2223
01:30:42,560 --> 01:30:43,920
Would you agree that that's

2224
01:30:43,920 --> 01:30:45,760
>> I hear what you're saying and I do see

2225
01:30:45,760 --> 01:30:47,840
that in here but I think and again I

2226
01:30:47,840 --> 01:30:49,840
don't want to speak for Mr. Many, but it

2227
01:30:49,840 --> 01:30:52,480
seems like the topic of good cause

2228
01:30:52,480 --> 01:30:55,040
eviction that has been brought to our

2229
01:30:55,040 --> 01:30:59,760
table um is what might have helped him

2230
01:30:59,760 --> 01:31:02,480
consider suggesting that I you can jump

2231
01:31:02,480 --> 01:31:03,920
in here. I'm not trying to put words in

2232
01:31:03,920 --> 01:31:06,639
your mouth, but might have been one of

2233
01:31:06,639 --> 01:31:10,320
the impetuses for suggesting that the

2234
01:31:10,320 --> 01:31:13,440
task force might be a good thing to to

2235
01:31:13,440 --> 01:31:14,400
have come to be.

2236
01:31:14,400 --> 01:31:14,719
>> Sure.

2237
01:31:14,719 --> 01:31:15,520
>> So, that's what I'm saying.

2238
01:31:15,520 --> 01:31:17,199
>> Sure. The only thing I'm saying is that

2239
01:31:17,199 --> 01:31:19,440
if it's characterizing it as a task

2240
01:31:19,440 --> 01:31:22,000
force instead of the cause, then that's

2241
01:31:22,000 --> 01:31:23,600
one conversation. You know, we're having

2242
01:31:23,600 --> 01:31:26,880
a conversation about a task force, then

2243
01:31:26,880 --> 01:31:28,320
the cause doesn't even need to be a part

2244
01:31:28,320 --> 01:31:31,120
of the conversation.

2245
01:31:31,120 --> 01:31:32,159
>> It's about housing.

2246
01:31:32,159 --> 01:31:34,320
>> So, right. So, therefore, I'm not

2247
01:31:34,320 --> 01:31:36,320
characterizing this about good cause.

2248
01:31:36,320 --> 01:31:38,080
The legislation itself is about good

2249
01:31:38,080 --> 01:31:40,239
cause. It says it in both paragraphs.

2250
01:31:40,239 --> 01:31:42,400
Uh, and also I would add that you're

2251
01:31:42,400 --> 01:31:45,679
saying that the laws could change, but

2252
01:31:45,679 --> 01:31:47,440
every everything there's not a piece of

2253
01:31:47,440 --> 01:31:49,199
legislation that we don't that we don't

2254
01:31:49,199 --> 01:31:51,280
pass right now that could be subject to

2255
01:31:51,280 --> 01:31:52,480
change. That's part of being a

2256
01:31:52,480 --> 01:31:54,560
responsive body of government. We've

2257
01:31:54,560 --> 01:31:56,400
said a lot of things and then the state

2258
01:31:56,400 --> 01:31:57,679
might have did something. The federal

2259
01:31:57,679 --> 01:31:59,280
the feds might have done something that

2260
01:31:59,280 --> 01:32:01,199
changed the landscape for us. But that's

2261
01:32:01,199 --> 01:32:02,960
true for anything. So that's really not

2262
01:32:02,960 --> 01:32:04,960
a good reason not to act. And I would

2263
01:32:04,960 --> 01:32:06,239
also say you're saying that we don't

2264
01:32:06,239 --> 01:32:08,480
have to rush. Reality is yeah, we don't

2265
01:32:08,480 --> 01:32:09,920
have to rush. We all We all own our

2266
01:32:09,920 --> 01:32:11,760
homes and we're not in possibility of

2267
01:32:11,760 --> 01:32:12,400
facing eviction.

2268
01:32:12,400 --> 01:32:13,840
>> That's not what I'm saying.

2269
01:32:13,840 --> 01:32:15,920
>> What I'm saying? But what I'm saying,

2270
01:32:15,920 --> 01:32:17,840
Miss Patrick, what you said was we don't

2271
01:32:17,840 --> 01:32:19,520
have to rush. What I'm telling you is

2272
01:32:19,520 --> 01:32:21,199
>> there's no deadline for opting into

2273
01:32:21,199 --> 01:32:22,639
causeiction. That's what I meant.

2274
01:32:22,639 --> 01:32:24,159
>> Okay. Okay. I'm just going off what you

2275
01:32:24,159 --> 01:32:28,149
said, but people

2276
01:32:28,159 --> 01:32:30,880
» Well, I just want Let's just be clear.

2277
01:32:30,880 --> 01:32:32,639
The reason that this task force

2278
01:32:32,639 --> 01:32:34,880
conversation even came about is because

2279
01:32:34,880 --> 01:32:36,639
of the deposed eviction. So, I don't

2280
01:32:36,639 --> 01:32:38,000
think that we can discuss one without

2281
01:32:38,000 --> 01:32:40,800
the other. I think that would be it. It

2282
01:32:40,800 --> 01:32:42,800
just is impossible because that I would

2283
01:32:42,800 --> 01:32:45,040
believe, correct me if I'm wrong, was

2284
01:32:45,040 --> 01:32:48,000
the driving force about why Mr. Mancini

2285
01:32:48,000 --> 01:32:49,840
said, "Oh, I looked at the cause, maybe

2286
01:32:49,840 --> 01:32:52,560
that's not it." So, let's look at the

2287
01:32:52,560 --> 01:32:53,679
task force. So, I don't think we can

2288
01:32:53,679 --> 01:32:55,840
leave that out of the conversation and

2289
01:32:55,840 --> 01:32:58,480
really have a a a robust conversation

2290
01:32:58,480 --> 01:33:01,280
about this particular task force. um

2291
01:33:01,280 --> 01:33:03,280
once connectedity was mentioned and you

2292
01:33:03,280 --> 01:33:04,719
know there's some you know they're like

2293
01:33:04,719 --> 01:33:06,400
maybe they weren't doing the best job

2294
01:33:06,400 --> 01:33:08,880
but if there's already an organization

2295
01:33:08,880 --> 01:33:12,080
already doing that why we don't use

2296
01:33:12,080 --> 01:33:13,600
these resources that you're talking

2297
01:33:13,600 --> 01:33:14,719
about these people that you're talking

2298
01:33:14,719 --> 01:33:16,400
about and join the effort that's already

2299
01:33:16,400 --> 01:33:19,120
happening because they're already quite

2300
01:33:19,120 --> 01:33:21,120
a few steps ahead because they've

2301
01:33:21,120 --> 01:33:22,960
already been doing the study. We know

2302
01:33:22,960 --> 01:33:24,800
that they have people who are directly

2303
01:33:24,800 --> 01:33:28,080
impacted. We know that landlords um have

2304
01:33:28,080 --> 01:33:31,280
been at those meetings. So

2305
01:33:31,280 --> 01:33:32,880
you mentioned that everything has to

2306
01:33:32,880 --> 01:33:34,000
come back to the government. So why are

2307
01:33:34,000 --> 01:33:35,280
we trying to do something separate and

2308
01:33:35,280 --> 01:33:37,199
apart when there's an there's already an

2309
01:33:37,199 --> 01:33:39,280
organization a group of organized

2310
01:33:39,280 --> 01:33:42,080
individuals who are stakeholders who are

2311
01:33:42,080 --> 01:33:45,280
impacted who have a level of expertise

2312
01:33:45,280 --> 01:33:47,520
who are already participating in this?

2313
01:33:47,520 --> 01:33:50,719
Why a separate and apart task force

2314
01:33:50,719 --> 01:33:52,719
doing something similar to work that's

2315
01:33:52,719 --> 01:33:55,199
already being done? And if we feel like

2316
01:33:55,199 --> 01:33:57,920
if if we join with this group and we

2317
01:33:57,920 --> 01:33:59,280
look at and say, "Well, I think you're

2318
01:33:59,280 --> 01:34:01,440
missing this mark." That to me makes a

2319
01:34:01,440 --> 01:34:03,360
lot more sense as opposed to saying,

2320
01:34:03,360 --> 01:34:04,800
"Okay, I know that you're doing that

2321
01:34:04,800 --> 01:34:06,239
over there, but let's do something and

2322
01:34:06,239 --> 01:34:09,440
be do something over here and and we're

2323
01:34:09,440 --> 01:34:12,719
not doing this together." So, I think a

2324
01:34:12,719 --> 01:34:15,440
better idea is um or let me build on

2325
01:34:15,440 --> 01:34:17,520
your idea, I'll say it that way, is that

2326
01:34:17,520 --> 01:34:20,560
we look at what's already being done and

2327
01:34:20,560 --> 01:34:24,000
join efforts with that group. Um I don't

2328
01:34:24,000 --> 01:34:26,320
and I I have to agree with Mr. Farley. I

2329
01:34:26,320 --> 01:34:27,840
don't know that we necessarily have to

2330
01:34:27,840 --> 01:34:30,400
wait till everything is concrete and set

2331
01:34:30,400 --> 01:34:32,159
in stone because that never happens if

2332
01:34:32,159 --> 01:34:34,239
we are we put throwing out the good for

2333
01:34:34,239 --> 01:34:35,679
the perfect because the perfect is never

2334
01:34:35,679 --> 01:34:36,880
going to happen. At least I've never

2335
01:34:36,880 --> 01:34:39,840
seen it happen in my life. There's always some things that can be

2336
01:34:39,840 --> 01:34:42,800
did done differently. And also there is

2337
01:34:42,800 --> 01:34:45,360
urgency now for the people who who this

2338
01:34:45,360 --> 01:34:49,679
is impacting. So

2339
01:34:49,679 --> 01:34:51,120
good cause has to be a part of this

2340
01:34:51,120 --> 01:34:52,960
conversation whether we like it or not.

2341
01:34:52,960 --> 01:34:55,120
Um and I again I offer the opportunity

2342
01:34:55,120 --> 01:34:56,639
that we take a look at the actual

2343
01:34:56,639 --> 01:34:58,719
legislation and say this works this

2344
01:34:58,719 --> 01:35:00,320
doesn't work. There are some clear

2345
01:35:00,320 --> 01:35:02,159
things like if your land if your tenant

2346
01:35:02,159 --> 01:35:05,040
is not paying rent you take them to

2347
01:35:05,040 --> 01:35:07,040
court and they they have to go. there

2348
01:35:07,040 --> 01:35:09,040
are some really clearly laid out things

2349
01:35:09,040 --> 01:35:12,320
and my recommendation is that we um look

2350
01:35:12,320 --> 01:35:14,400
at what good cause is and look at the

2351
01:35:14,400 --> 01:35:16,320
good landlords because I don't think the

2352
01:35:16,320 --> 01:35:17,600
landlords who are doing the right thing

2353
01:35:17,600 --> 01:35:19,440
right now are the landlords who are

2354
01:35:19,440 --> 01:35:22,719
really going to be impacted by this and

2355
01:35:22,719 --> 01:35:24,000
yes some people will slip under the

2356
01:35:24,000 --> 01:35:25,360
radar whether it be landlords and

2357
01:35:25,360 --> 01:35:27,600
tenants it's just that I'm sure that

2358
01:35:27,600 --> 01:35:29,280
landlords can tell you that's the nature

2359
01:35:29,280 --> 01:35:31,360
of the business and tenants will tell

2360
01:35:31,360 --> 01:35:34,400
you the same thing so um again I don't

2361
01:35:34,400 --> 01:35:36,560
think it's targeting the landlords to

2362
01:35:36,560 --> 01:35:38,239
the ones that I've spoken to explain to

2363
01:35:38,239 --> 01:35:41,280
me how they're handling what they do. To

2364
01:35:41,280 --> 01:35:43,440
me, good cause from what I've all the

2365
01:35:43,440 --> 01:35:45,760
legislation that I've read, the pros and

2366
01:35:45,760 --> 01:35:48,560
the cons is that the landlords who are

2367
01:35:48,560 --> 01:35:50,800
already doing all the wonderful things

2368
01:35:50,800 --> 01:35:52,960
will not be negatively impacted. We're

2369
01:35:52,960 --> 01:35:54,800
already looking at code enforcement and

2370
01:35:54,800 --> 01:35:56,800
all of that.

2371
01:35:56,800 --> 01:35:59,280
So, and code enforcement, as I

2372
01:35:59,280 --> 01:36:00,639
understand, it goes in when tenants

2373
01:36:00,639 --> 01:36:02,239
call, when landlords call, they already

2374
01:36:02,239 --> 01:36:04,159
go in. It's, you know, so that wouldn't

2375
01:36:04,159 --> 01:36:06,639
be in addition. So why not join with

2376
01:36:06,639 --> 01:36:08,960
one's connectivity and make it one's

2377
01:36:08,960 --> 01:36:11,840
connected?

2378
01:36:11,840 --> 01:36:14,000
>> Yeah. Thank you. So what I'm sensing

2379
01:36:14,000 --> 01:36:16,159
here from Mr. Mancini on legislative

2380
01:36:16,159 --> 01:36:18,719
records is more of a long-term solution.

2381
01:36:18,719 --> 01:36:21,679
How do we work to benefits connectities

2382
01:36:21,679 --> 01:36:24,480
landlord and tenant and not pitting each

2383
01:36:24,480 --> 01:36:27,199
other this group against each other? How

2384
01:36:27,199 --> 01:36:29,120
can we come up with a solution? bring

2385
01:36:29,120 --> 01:36:32,080
them to the table and bring agency that

2386
01:36:32,080 --> 01:36:34,480
are advocating for tenants, advocating

2387
01:36:34,480 --> 01:36:36,880
for landlord together and let them work

2388
01:36:36,880 --> 01:36:39,280
at a long-term solution. That's what the

2389
01:36:39,280 --> 01:36:40,719
whole that's what I'm sensing from the

2390
01:36:40,719 --> 01:36:43,600
solution and it's driven towards that.

2391
01:36:43,600 --> 01:36:45,360
It's not more of like well we don't want

2392
01:36:45,360 --> 01:36:47,040
this and we don't want that. Bring

2393
01:36:47,040 --> 01:36:49,600
people table discuss gather information

2394
01:36:49,600 --> 01:36:51,199
and let's move forward and see what we

2395
01:36:51,199 --> 01:36:55,920
can do to benefit. Um you know um it's a

2396
01:36:55,920 --> 01:36:57,679
boring topic. I mean, we can sit down

2397
01:36:57,679 --> 01:36:59,199
here and we can debate and we can debate

2398
01:36:59,199 --> 01:37:00,880
every word against each other, but it's

2399
01:37:00,880 --> 01:37:03,040
we're not getting anywhere. So, we we

2400
01:37:03,040 --> 01:37:05,520
need to do something

2401
01:37:05,520 --> 01:37:08,800
to benefit our connectity residents and

2402
01:37:08,800 --> 01:37:10,800
that's what Mr. Mancini is trying to do

2403
01:37:10,800 --> 01:37:13,280
here. Um, setting up this task force,

2404
01:37:13,280 --> 01:37:14,880
which I think is a good thing, bringing

2405
01:37:14,880 --> 01:37:18,480
people out to the table, discuss ideas,

2406
01:37:18,480 --> 01:37:22,159
come up with solutions and to,

2407
01:37:22,159 --> 01:37:24,320
you know, come up with a solution, come

2408
01:37:24,320 --> 01:37:25,920
up and address it and move forward.

2409
01:37:25,920 --> 01:37:28,960
Let's see what we can do in terms of um

2410
01:37:28,960 --> 01:37:33,119
these concerns. I mean,

2411
01:37:33,119 --> 01:37:34,880
I don't feel at this point in time that

2412
01:37:34,880 --> 01:37:36,560
we we're going to move forward that

2413
01:37:36,560 --> 01:37:39,840
legislation. That's how I I know sense

2414
01:37:39,840 --> 01:37:42,560
it. But here's a solution for us to add

2415
01:37:42,560 --> 01:37:44,320
something to the table and to make sure

2416
01:37:44,320 --> 01:37:46,639
that we can do something that benefit

2417
01:37:46,639 --> 01:37:49,199
both parties. And we can we can sit here

2418
01:37:49,199 --> 01:37:51,840
and we can talk about um skinnity is a

2419
01:37:51,840 --> 01:37:56,719
third in eviction in the state. Are we asking ourselves or are we asking

2420
01:37:56,719 --> 01:38:00,000
the question why is connectity the third

2421
01:38:00,000 --> 01:38:01,520
position in the state?

2422
01:38:01,520 --> 01:38:03,679
>> Are they all because landlord just wake

2423
01:38:03,679 --> 01:38:05,280
up one morning and decide to evict all

2424
01:38:05,280 --> 01:38:09,040
their tenants or are they bad tenants?

2425
01:38:09,040 --> 01:38:10,560
We need to address that. We can't say

2426
01:38:10,560 --> 01:38:14,080
that oh we in the state and make us look

2427
01:38:14,080 --> 01:38:16,960
good or bad but how does that how did

2428
01:38:16,960 --> 01:38:19,119
they arrive at that that in the court

2429
01:38:19,119 --> 01:38:20,080
system?

2430
01:38:20,080 --> 01:38:23,040
>> Mhm. Is it is it because landlord you

2431
01:38:23,040 --> 01:38:24,560
know want to clear their property? Is

2432
01:38:24,560 --> 01:38:26,800
the tenant bad? Those are the things the

2433
01:38:26,800 --> 01:38:28,800
task force will be addressed.

2434
01:38:28,800 --> 01:38:31,280
>> They will address that and those things

2435
01:38:31,280 --> 01:38:32,639
will come to life because we're going to

2436
01:38:32,639 --> 01:38:34,480
have some we and I said that over and

2437
01:38:34,480 --> 01:38:37,199
over. We have good tenants. We have bad

2438
01:38:37,199 --> 01:38:39,360
tenants. We have good landlord and we

2439
01:38:39,360 --> 01:38:41,520
have bad landlord.

2440
01:38:41,520 --> 01:38:43,440
>> And there's no secret about that. Bring

2441
01:38:43,440 --> 01:38:45,040
them to the table. Let them address the

2442
01:38:45,040 --> 01:38:47,600
concerns. We gather information. We come

2443
01:38:47,600 --> 01:38:50,480
back and say we really need to do this.

2444
01:38:50,480 --> 01:38:51,679
Here is the information that we're

2445
01:38:51,679 --> 01:38:53,280
gathering from all the agencies that are

2446
01:38:53,280 --> 01:38:56,080
dealing with tenants agency in Skynctity

2447
01:38:56,080 --> 01:38:57,520
that are dealing with tenants agency

2448
01:38:57,520 --> 01:38:59,280
that are dealing with landlords and the

2449
01:38:59,280 --> 01:39:02,000
landlord group and people outside of the

2450
01:39:02,000 --> 01:39:04,239
landlord group who in Skenctity would

2451
01:39:04,239 --> 01:39:06,239
like to come to this forum and address

2452
01:39:06,239 --> 01:39:08,880
concerns and let's let's us as a

2453
01:39:08,880 --> 01:39:10,560
council.

2454
01:39:10,560 --> 01:39:13,040
Yes, we we want to join our agency, but

2455
01:39:13,040 --> 01:39:15,440
we as a legislative body, we are

2456
01:39:15,440 --> 01:39:19,280
discussing opting in to cause eviction.

2457
01:39:19,280 --> 01:39:20,719
We're trying now to come up with a

2458
01:39:20,719 --> 01:39:22,719
solution. Other than that, if that's not

2459
01:39:22,719 --> 01:39:23,760
going to pass and come up with a

2460
01:39:23,760 --> 01:39:25,679
solution, how do we benefit? And I think

2461
01:39:25,679 --> 01:39:28,400
it's our responsibility as a legislative

2462
01:39:28,400 --> 01:39:31,520
body to discuss it. Create our own group

2463
01:39:31,520 --> 01:39:34,080
as Mr. Mancini recommend here. Invite

2464
01:39:34,080 --> 01:39:36,320
all the agencies on board whoever would

2465
01:39:36,320 --> 01:39:38,480
like to join and let's hear from them

2466
01:39:38,480 --> 01:39:42,080
and let's move forward. And Mr. Mr. Dor

2467
01:39:42,080 --> 01:39:44,159
talk about how do we reach out to these

2468
01:39:44,159 --> 01:39:45,920
people? How do we on board them? I think

2469
01:39:45,920 --> 01:39:48,560
if this were to pass to create this task

2470
01:39:48,560 --> 01:39:51,360
force, it is upon us

2471
01:39:51,360 --> 01:39:53,360
council and with the help of staff to

2472
01:39:53,360 --> 01:39:55,119
reach out to agency and to get them on

2473
01:39:55,119 --> 01:39:56,960
board and we on board them. I don't

2474
01:39:56,960 --> 01:39:59,360
think it's a hard process and I to get

2475
01:39:59,360 --> 01:40:01,119
them on board and and let them join and

2476
01:40:01,119 --> 01:40:02,719
the task force and let's discuss it

2477
01:40:02,719 --> 01:40:05,040
openly at forums. We're not going to

2478
01:40:05,040 --> 01:40:06,719
stretch it out for for four, five, six

2479
01:40:06,719 --> 01:40:09,360
months. We should have time time frame,

2480
01:40:09,360 --> 01:40:11,600
cut off time, bring back information to

2481
01:40:11,600 --> 01:40:13,760
us, discuss, move forward.

2482
01:40:13,760 --> 01:40:17,040
>> Yeah. So to to your point, Mr. Miller,

2483
01:40:17,040 --> 01:40:19,920
um it sounds like we're asking for a

2484
01:40:19,920 --> 01:40:22,320
public hearing, which we definitely had

2485
01:40:22,320 --> 01:40:25,199
on the table at our last council

2486
01:40:25,199 --> 01:40:27,040
meeting. Sounds that's what it sounds

2487
01:40:27,040 --> 01:40:28,560
like to me. You're saying to have people

2488
01:40:28,560 --> 01:40:31,119
in a public forum express their

2489
01:40:31,119 --> 01:40:33,760
concerns, thoughts, and ideas.

2490
01:40:33,760 --> 01:40:37,360
>> Mr. Farley, Mr.

2491
01:40:37,360 --> 01:40:39,199
If you're going to define my my state,

2492
01:40:39,199 --> 01:40:40,719
I'm not going to do that to you. I'm

2493
01:40:40,719 --> 01:40:42,080
telling you my point. I'm not calling

2494
01:40:42,080 --> 01:40:43,520
for public. I'm calling for a task force

2495
01:40:43,520 --> 01:40:45,440
that people can sit down openly and

2496
01:40:45,440 --> 01:40:47,600
discuss this as a forum. We come back

2497
01:40:47,600 --> 01:40:49,199
with a solution to the table and move

2498
01:40:49,199 --> 01:40:50,560
forward with creating whatever

2499
01:40:50,560 --> 01:40:52,560
recommendation of the task force. So if

2500
01:40:52,560 --> 01:40:55,440
we can't opt in, we have a solution, a

2501
01:40:55,440 --> 01:40:57,679
long-term solution that is mentioned in

2502
01:40:57,679 --> 01:41:01,199
this LR here by Mr. Mini looking for a

2503
01:41:01,199 --> 01:41:03,440
short-term long-term strategy to

2504
01:41:03,440 --> 01:41:06,080
stabilize housing without increasing

2505
01:41:06,080 --> 01:41:08,960
regulatory burden unnecessarily. This is

2506
01:41:08,960 --> 01:41:11,679
a legislation here, Mr. Mans President.

2507
01:41:11,679 --> 01:41:13,360
That's what I'm focused on. So, I'm not

2508
01:41:13,360 --> 01:41:14,880
going to allow you to mince my word back

2509
01:41:14,880 --> 01:41:16,400
into public hearing. Please, let's not

2510
01:41:16,400 --> 01:41:16,719
do this.

2511
01:41:16,719 --> 01:41:18,400
>> So, hold on. So, let let me be very

2512
01:41:18,400 --> 01:41:20,080
clear with you, Mr. Müer, and anyone

2513
01:41:20,080 --> 01:41:23,440
else that's listening. I'm not trying to

2514
01:41:23,440 --> 01:41:25,760
uh mischaracterize your words. What the

2515
01:41:25,760 --> 01:41:27,280
words you just said was bring people

2516
01:41:27,280 --> 01:41:29,280
together to talk in a public forum.

2517
01:41:29,280 --> 01:41:31,199
That's the word you just said. So, hold

2518
01:41:31,199 --> 01:41:33,360
on, please. So, that's why I said it

2519
01:41:33,360 --> 01:41:34,000
sounds like

2520
01:41:34,000 --> 01:41:36,960
>> bring agencies to to the task force.

2521
01:41:36,960 --> 01:41:40,000
>> And so, what I'm saying to you again is

2522
01:41:40,000 --> 01:41:41,600
that's what it sounded like. If you're

2523
01:41:41,600 --> 01:41:43,840
saying no that you're that you that

2524
01:41:43,840 --> 01:41:45,199
you're saying that you don't want people

2525
01:41:45,199 --> 01:41:48,000
you you're being very uh specific to the

2526
01:41:48,000 --> 01:41:50,239
task force having people come to talk.

2527
01:41:50,239 --> 01:41:52,000
Okay. I'm just saying with the words you

2528
01:41:52,000 --> 01:41:54,800
use. So I guess I'll go to Miss I

2529
01:41:54,800 --> 01:41:56,880
haven't question.

2530
01:41:56,880 --> 01:41:57,840
>> So as I

2531
01:41:57,840 --> 01:41:59,520
>> I didn't see your hand.

2532
01:41:59,520 --> 01:42:03,440
>> Go ahead Mr. W four times ago and then

2533
01:42:03,440 --> 01:42:06,800
>> four times more

2534
01:42:06,800 --> 01:42:09,440
times ago sometimes I think Mr. See, I'm

2535
01:42:09,440 --> 01:42:11,199
just going to whoever reads my little

2536
01:42:11,199 --> 01:42:14,560
notes here, but any not really. Uh I

2537
01:42:14,560 --> 01:42:16,320
guess I I guess my uh first thing is

2538
01:42:16,320 --> 01:42:18,960
yes, a task force and bring one skinnity

2539
01:42:18,960 --> 01:42:20,960
to the table if they're already so far

2540
01:42:20,960 --> 01:42:22,560
ahead of us. But we're the legislative

2541
01:42:22,560 --> 01:42:24,159
body for this city and we need to

2542
01:42:24,159 --> 01:42:28,080
protect renters, tenants, homeowners,

2543
01:42:28,080 --> 01:42:30,400
every homeless people, everyone here in

2544
01:42:30,400 --> 01:42:32,960
the in in the city. That's our job. I

2545
01:42:32,960 --> 01:42:34,719
guess the data that's been presented

2546
01:42:34,719 --> 01:42:36,800
wasn't present, it was presented by one

2547
01:42:36,800 --> 01:42:39,280
side of the issue for good cause. So,

2548
01:42:39,280 --> 01:42:41,840
I'd like to see more data. Absolutely.

2549
01:42:41,840 --> 01:42:44,880
Um I'd like to know um I'd like to bring

2550
01:42:44,880 --> 01:42:46,480
home ownership into this whole

2551
01:42:46,480 --> 01:42:49,440
situation. Okay. Because uh listening at

2552
01:42:49,440 --> 01:42:53,520
the rail multiple times to tenants,

2553
01:42:53,520 --> 01:42:56,159
>> landlords, individuals, a lot of these

2554
01:42:56,159 --> 01:42:58,239
tenants are paying money that could go

2555
01:42:58,239 --> 01:43:00,800
towards a mortgage. We have a homes

2556
01:43:00,800 --> 01:43:03,119
program that that that's on the table.

2557
01:43:03,119 --> 01:43:05,840
Uh in some of the research I did uh

2558
01:43:05,840 --> 01:43:08,960
about good cause. Uh Skenctity was like

2559
01:43:08,960 --> 01:43:12,239
fourth on the list for their home homes

2560
01:43:12,239 --> 01:43:15,840
ownership program. Um so we have that.

2561
01:43:15,840 --> 01:43:19,520
We have um um who builds our homes here

2562
01:43:19,520 --> 01:43:22,800
out here? Mine's uh

2563
01:43:22,800 --> 01:43:25,280
>> UCI our Habitat. Okay. We have a lot of

2564
01:43:25,280 --> 01:43:26,960
that going on. We have a lot of great

2565
01:43:26,960 --> 01:43:29,360
things going on here in the city. We

2566
01:43:29,360 --> 01:43:33,679
also had a uh a landlord registry data

2567
01:43:33,679 --> 01:43:36,400
um that Slick was working on and other

2568
01:43:36,400 --> 01:43:39,119
individuals. Okay. They had a monstrous

2569
01:43:39,119 --> 01:43:42,159
meeting over at at at the waters edge.

2570
01:43:42,159 --> 01:43:44,080
There was every agency there whether it

2571
01:43:44,080 --> 01:43:46,239
was DSS. So these things are all being

2572
01:43:46,239 --> 01:43:49,280
done. Um so as with the task force they

2573
01:43:49,280 --> 01:43:51,360
can continue to be done. And I want to

2574
01:43:51,360 --> 01:43:53,520
know why are we there in my state? I

2575
01:43:53,520 --> 01:43:57,199
want data on the top evictions. What?

2576
01:43:57,199 --> 01:43:59,199
Why?

2577
01:43:59,199 --> 01:44:01,040
I want to know why we're third in the

2578
01:44:01,040 --> 01:44:03,280
state because that's pretty damn bad.

2579
01:44:03,280 --> 01:44:05,360
Okay.

2580
01:44:05,360 --> 01:44:07,679
I want to know why. I want I want I you

2581
01:44:07,679 --> 01:44:10,560
know, I want the data on that because is

2582
01:44:10,560 --> 01:44:12,159
it,

2583
01:44:12,159 --> 01:44:14,480
you know, being in both situations

2584
01:44:14,480 --> 01:44:17,280
myself in my lifetime, renting and and

2585
01:44:17,280 --> 01:44:20,000
having an apartment for rent, it's um,

2586
01:44:20,000 --> 01:44:25,040
you know, it's not good on either end. So I

2587
01:44:25,040 --> 01:44:28,639
understand both sides but again I think

2588
01:44:28,639 --> 01:44:31,119
uh a task force when you want to call it

2589
01:44:31,119 --> 01:44:33,360
a task force or something uh get

2590
01:44:33,360 --> 01:44:35,520
together invite one's connectity in

2591
01:44:35,520 --> 01:44:38,000
invite the county in okay I guess my

2592
01:44:38,000 --> 01:44:39,920
last thing is before it banters back and

2593
01:44:39,920 --> 01:44:41,600
forth and back and forth this is in

2594
01:44:41,600 --> 01:44:45,119
government operations it's uh Mr. Farley

2595
01:44:45,119 --> 01:44:47,360
Mr. Baron and Miss Porterfield. At this

2596
01:44:47,360 --> 01:44:49,280
point, we should probably try to move it

2597
01:44:49,280 --> 01:44:50,960
out of committee or take a vote on it

2598
01:44:50,960 --> 01:44:54,400
because that would be my recommendation.

2599
01:44:54,400 --> 01:44:55,679
So,

2600
01:44:55,679 --> 01:44:57,040
>> well, I'd like to add something to the

2601
01:44:57,040 --> 01:44:58,400
conversation before we move it to the

2602
01:44:58,400 --> 01:45:00,320
vote vote. Um because as the

2603
01:45:00,320 --> 01:45:02,400
conversation as we, you know, go further

2604
01:45:02,400 --> 01:45:03,840
down the road in the conversation, I'm

2605
01:45:03,840 --> 01:45:05,679
hearing a lot about having stakeholders

2606
01:45:05,679 --> 01:45:08,480
and agencies and organizations.

2607
01:45:08,480 --> 01:45:10,400
So to me, we've already talked ourselves

2608
01:45:10,400 --> 01:45:12,560
away from tenant representation, which

2609
01:45:12,560 --> 01:45:15,280
is a concern because we're talking about

2610
01:45:15,280 --> 01:45:17,040
I understand that people do this every

2611
01:45:17,040 --> 01:45:19,280
single day. It's their job about, you

2612
01:45:19,280 --> 01:45:21,040
know, making sure people have housing,

2613
01:45:21,040 --> 01:45:23,679
etc. But we cannot leave out the people

2614
01:45:23,679 --> 01:45:26,159
that are directly impacted. That is a

2615
01:45:26,159 --> 01:45:28,159
voice that needs to be at the table,

2616
01:45:28,159 --> 01:45:30,000
right? So we cannot already, as we're

2617
01:45:30,000 --> 01:45:31,440
talking about, I'm hearing that, okay,

2618
01:45:31,440 --> 01:45:32,880
we have the stakeholders, we have the

2619
01:45:32,880 --> 01:45:34,639
nonprofits, etc. and so on.

2620
01:45:34,639 --> 01:45:35,760
>> I'm not talking about what's in the

2621
01:45:35,760 --> 01:45:36,719
legislation. I'm talking about the

2622
01:45:36,719 --> 01:45:39,600
conversation. Um and so I think we have

2623
01:45:39,600 --> 01:45:41,920
to make sure we steer steer away from

2624
01:45:41,920 --> 01:45:44,719
that and make sure and in terms of um

2625
01:45:44,719 --> 01:45:47,199
inviting one's connectity in why are we

2626
01:45:47,199 --> 01:45:49,840
not joining one's connectedity if it's

2627
01:45:49,840 --> 01:45:52,239
already doing the work and why are we

2628
01:45:52,239 --> 01:45:53,520
saying to this organization that's

2629
01:45:53,520 --> 01:45:55,040
already this organized group of people

2630
01:45:55,040 --> 01:45:57,360
from a respected that's part of a

2631
01:45:57,360 --> 01:45:59,119
respected foundation within our

2632
01:45:59,119 --> 01:46:00,800
community and has done a lot of work

2633
01:46:00,800 --> 01:46:03,360
already. Why aren't we saying to them we

2634
01:46:03,360 --> 01:46:05,679
would like to be a part of this and then

2635
01:46:05,679 --> 01:46:07,679
come up with something as opposed to

2636
01:46:07,679 --> 01:46:10,880
again creating something that in my mind

2637
01:46:10,880 --> 01:46:12,960
already exists perhaps not to the level

2638
01:46:12,960 --> 01:46:15,280
we'd like to see. Why aren't we doing

2639
01:46:15,280 --> 01:46:18,480
that? We don't always have to be we the

2640
01:46:18,480 --> 01:46:21,440
creator of it. we can be a part of it

2641
01:46:21,440 --> 01:46:24,320
and then when it comes together if if it

2642
01:46:24,320 --> 01:46:25,600
comes to the point where we need to move

2643
01:46:25,600 --> 01:46:26,800
something then we've had that

2644
01:46:26,800 --> 01:46:28,560
organization you know presented to the

2645
01:46:28,560 --> 01:46:30,560
city having done that work and and I

2646
01:46:30,560 --> 01:46:32,320
know from being at the meetings and

2647
01:46:32,320 --> 01:46:34,000
seeing who's there that there are

2648
01:46:34,000 --> 01:46:36,000
already people there on both sides that

2649
01:46:36,000 --> 01:46:38,800
are already impacted these individuals

2650
01:46:38,800 --> 01:46:40,560
are not being left the stakeholders are

2651
01:46:40,560 --> 01:46:43,360
there also the tenants on the ground

2652
01:46:43,360 --> 01:46:46,320
experienced in this are there why are we

2653
01:46:46,320 --> 01:46:48,480
doing

2654
01:46:48,480 --> 01:46:49,600
extra

2655
01:46:49,600 --> 01:46:51,199
that why aren't we just joining in? If

2656
01:46:51,199 --> 01:46:52,400
we see something that is happening, why

2657
01:46:52,400 --> 01:46:55,600
aren't we we um joining in? I'm I'm just

2658
01:46:55,600 --> 01:46:57,600
not clear on why we need to feel like

2659
01:46:57,600 --> 01:46:59,920
there's needs to be something

2660
01:46:59,920 --> 01:47:02,880
above and beyond the work that's in in

2661
01:47:02,880 --> 01:47:04,239
addition to I should say not above and

2662
01:47:04,239 --> 01:47:05,520
beyond, but in addition to the work

2663
01:47:05,520 --> 01:47:06,960
that's already being done, why we're not

2664
01:47:06,960 --> 01:47:08,719
joining with a group that's already

2665
01:47:08,719 --> 01:47:11,440
doing this work as opposed to starting

2666
01:47:11,440 --> 01:47:14,950
something new.

2667
01:47:14,960 --> 01:47:17,679
say about it. No, listen, I'm okay with

2668
01:47:17,679 --> 01:47:19,520
the conversation continuing. I think

2669
01:47:19,520 --> 01:47:21,040
it's an important one. So, I'm going to

2670
01:47:21,040 --> 01:47:22,480
make sure that everyone gets to say

2671
01:47:22,480 --> 01:47:23,840
whatever they need to say.

2672
01:47:23,840 --> 01:47:25,760
>> Yeah. I guess um the reason that I said

2673
01:47:25,760 --> 01:47:28,239
what I said about the work that one

2674
01:47:28,239 --> 01:47:30,320
connectivity is is doing is that

2675
01:47:30,320 --> 01:47:32,159
ultimately

2676
01:47:32,159 --> 01:47:36,639
it's still going to have to be us that I

2677
01:47:36,639 --> 01:47:38,239
mean they can come up with as many ideas

2678
01:47:38,239 --> 01:47:42,080
as they want um as they want but still

2679
01:47:42,080 --> 01:47:43,920
then they would probably have to come to

2680
01:47:43,920 --> 01:47:46,639
the city council and say hey you know we

2681
01:47:46,639 --> 01:47:48,400
want to make sure that you guys pass

2682
01:47:48,400 --> 01:47:50,560
this or you know could you consider this

2683
01:47:50,560 --> 01:47:55,360
option or this idea or this Um, so you

2684
01:47:55,360 --> 01:47:57,040
know, I mean, and again, I mean, four of

2685
01:47:57,040 --> 01:47:58,719
us were I couldn't make the last

2686
01:47:58,719 --> 01:48:01,040
meeting, but four of us were at the

2687
01:48:01,040 --> 01:48:03,679
first meeting. Um,

2688
01:48:03,679 --> 01:48:06,239
great. But again, it's ultimately our

2689
01:48:06,239 --> 01:48:09,760
responsibility, not theirs. Um, like I

2690
01:48:09,760 --> 01:48:11,440
mean, I read about the app that they

2691
01:48:11,440 --> 01:48:13,600
were thinking about doing. I mean, it's

2692
01:48:13,600 --> 01:48:15,600
sort of like I was kind of like, well,

2693
01:48:15,600 --> 01:48:16,960
you know, maybe the city should be

2694
01:48:16,960 --> 01:48:19,360
thinking about doing the app. I mean,

2695
01:48:19,360 --> 01:48:21,280
it's it's really us. Do you know what

2696
01:48:21,280 --> 01:48:23,199
I'm saying? So, I think I think that

2697
01:48:23,199 --> 01:48:26,320
it's great that we work in tandem. Uh or

2698
01:48:26,320 --> 01:48:28,239
if the task if this task force went

2699
01:48:28,239 --> 01:48:30,159
through, you know, that we invite a

2700
01:48:30,159 --> 01:48:32,159
representative from one skinny to come

2701
01:48:32,159 --> 01:48:33,760
and report on the kinds of things that

2702
01:48:33,760 --> 01:48:35,119
they're thinking about and talking

2703
01:48:35,119 --> 01:48:37,760
about. I think this would include tenant

2704
01:48:37,760 --> 01:48:39,360
representation

2705
01:48:39,360 --> 01:48:41,679
um as well as landlord representation.

2706
01:48:41,679 --> 01:48:45,920
Um, so to to get that your first concern

2707
01:48:45,920 --> 01:48:49,430
that's

2708
01:48:49,440 --> 01:48:51,600
» to the point um I I'd like to counter

2709
01:48:51,600 --> 01:48:53,119
where we're talking about where Slick

2710
01:48:53,119 --> 01:48:54,639
says they want to come up with landlord

2711
01:48:54,639 --> 01:48:57,440
registry a certain process that Slick

2712
01:48:57,440 --> 01:48:59,600
within their organization wants to do

2713
01:48:59,600 --> 01:49:01,280
that and they're not we're not doing

2714
01:49:01,280 --> 01:49:03,440
that on be behalf of the city. They're

2715
01:49:03,440 --> 01:49:05,760
coming up with that. So how is this

2716
01:49:05,760 --> 01:49:06,960
different

2717
01:49:06,960 --> 01:49:10,320
>> with once connectity

2718
01:49:10,320 --> 01:49:12,400
having representation if you know I know

2719
01:49:12,400 --> 01:49:14,080
that Mr. Toro always uh attends the

2720
01:49:14,080 --> 01:49:17,920
Slick meetings. How is this different?

2721
01:49:17,920 --> 01:49:20,000
>> Slick is already coming up with certain

2722
01:49:20,000 --> 01:49:22,400
things still have to come through to us,

2723
01:49:22,400 --> 01:49:24,960
right? I think the mayor is already we

2724
01:49:24,960 --> 01:49:26,960
already have things in place within the

2725
01:49:26,960 --> 01:49:29,840
city that um in terms of landlords in

2726
01:49:29,840 --> 01:49:31,600
terms of rule,

2727
01:49:31,600 --> 01:49:35,440
>> the uh residents, the rental uh types of

2728
01:49:35,440 --> 01:49:36,880
things and the and the other things that

2729
01:49:36,880 --> 01:49:38,560
the mayor is trying to suggest. So,

2730
01:49:38,560 --> 01:49:40,480
right. So, you know, I'm just saying

2731
01:49:40,480 --> 01:49:42,320
it's still us. It's still

2732
01:49:42,320 --> 01:49:44,080
>> I'm not disputing that fact. But what I

2733
01:49:44,080 --> 01:49:45,760
am saying is that organizations come to

2734
01:49:45,760 --> 01:49:48,480
us all the time about things they'd like

2735
01:49:48,480 --> 01:49:50,239
to bring forward, things they'd like to

2736
01:49:50,239 --> 01:49:52,960
see. And again, we're we're entertaining

2737
01:49:52,960 --> 01:49:55,840
that Slick come forward with their

2738
01:49:55,840 --> 01:49:57,440
landlord registry and all this thing

2739
01:49:57,440 --> 01:49:59,760
that they've been talking about for a

2740
01:49:59,760 --> 01:50:02,560
while since 22. I heard that about that.

2741
01:50:02,560 --> 01:50:03,760
So, it's something that they've been

2742
01:50:03,760 --> 01:50:05,440
talking about and want to present it to

2743
01:50:05,440 --> 01:50:06,880
the city and they've talked about

2744
01:50:06,880 --> 01:50:12,800
working with the mayor on that. So, how is it that this organization over

2745
01:50:12,800 --> 01:50:14,800
here we're saying okay we'll work

2746
01:50:14,800 --> 01:50:16,639
through it like that we won't take it on

2747
01:50:16,639 --> 01:50:19,119
we'll take your recommendations

2748
01:50:19,119 --> 01:50:21,440
and then when over here we're talking

2749
01:50:21,440 --> 01:50:23,440
about ones connected we're saying we

2750
01:50:23,440 --> 01:50:24,480
won't necessarily take your

2751
01:50:24,480 --> 01:50:25,600
recommendations because they have to

2752
01:50:25,600 --> 01:50:27,040
come to us first

2753
01:50:27,040 --> 01:50:28,800
>> why aren't we just why aren't we just

2754
01:50:28,800 --> 01:50:30,719
joining with as as we're joining with

2755
01:50:30,719 --> 01:50:32,800
Slick why aren't we joining with ones

2756
01:50:32,800 --> 01:50:35,440
connectedity the work is already started

2757
01:50:35,440 --> 01:50:37,040
they're already doing the work we know

2758
01:50:37,040 --> 01:50:38,719
that they have stakeholders and we know

2759
01:50:38,719 --> 01:50:40,960
they have tenants. All of the things all

2760
01:50:40,960 --> 01:50:42,639
of the things that are already that are

2761
01:50:42,639 --> 01:50:44,719
in here that Mr. Many may see and I

2762
01:50:44,719 --> 01:50:46,159
believe some of the data that was asked

2763
01:50:46,159 --> 01:50:48,880
for in terms of uh what Mr. Tur said is

2764
01:50:48,880 --> 01:50:51,360
data again already exists and we could

2765
01:50:51,360 --> 01:50:52,719
just make these things known to once

2766
01:50:52,719 --> 01:50:54,000
connected. Hey, this is what we'd like

2767
01:50:54,000 --> 01:50:57,520
to see. So I don't I I just don't see

2768
01:50:57,520 --> 01:50:59,760
how we need to do it separate and apart

2769
01:50:59,760 --> 01:51:01,199
is what I'm essentially saying.

2770
01:51:01,199 --> 01:51:04,159
>> I mean I'm not on that subcommittee so

2771
01:51:04,159 --> 01:51:08,870
where this is heading. So so

2772
01:51:08,880 --> 01:51:10,719
[Music]

2773
01:51:10,719 --> 01:51:13,840
again landlord registry great idea. I

2774
01:51:13,840 --> 01:51:15,679
think, you know, in in in more lenient

2775
01:51:15,679 --> 01:51:18,320
terms, it's it maybe this wasn't what

2776
01:51:18,320 --> 01:51:19,840
you were saying, Miss Special, but it

2777
01:51:19,840 --> 01:51:23,679
seemed like what you were saying is that we should take it on because

2778
01:51:23,679 --> 01:51:25,679
ultimately it's our responsibility. And

2779
01:51:25,679 --> 01:51:27,760
I think the point that President Pier

2780
01:51:27,760 --> 01:51:31,040
was highlighting is that um we work with

2781
01:51:31,040 --> 01:51:32,880
agencies

2782
01:51:32,880 --> 01:51:38,880
all the time to bring to bring forth uh legislation that we context. So,

2783
01:51:38,880 --> 01:51:40,800
Slick is one of those agencies. Slick

2784
01:51:40,800 --> 01:51:44,639
happens to be part of Kentucky. Um, so

2785
01:51:44,639 --> 01:51:47,040
again, so instead of reinventing the

2786
01:51:47,040 --> 01:51:50,320
wheel, we can just, you know, instead of

2787
01:51:50,320 --> 01:51:52,159
having them have to come to us, we can

2788
01:51:52,159 --> 01:51:54,480
just go to them to hear like, you know,

2789
01:51:54,480 --> 01:51:55,920
what's happening and then we add value

2790
01:51:55,920 --> 01:52:01,440
in the conversation that way. Again, if you think that a task force in

2791
01:52:01,440 --> 01:52:03,280
addition to this is something that is

2792
01:52:03,280 --> 01:52:07,280
good, that's that's great. So, let me

2793
01:52:07,280 --> 01:52:09,040
just ask you some pretty simple

2794
01:52:09,040 --> 01:52:10,800
questions so then we can move on cuz

2795
01:52:10,800 --> 01:52:12,239
that seems to be what people like to

2796
01:52:12,239 --> 01:52:15,119
have happen. I mean, but remember guys,

2797
01:52:15,119 --> 01:52:16,560
we're the decisions that we're making

2798
01:52:16,560 --> 01:52:18,480
are extremely consequential. That's why

2799
01:52:18,480 --> 01:52:20,639
they deserve this back and forth. This

2800
01:52:20,639 --> 01:52:22,400
conversation, they are these are

2801
01:52:22,400 --> 01:52:24,960
people's lives are at stake literally.

2802
01:52:24,960 --> 01:52:26,320
So, we want to make sure that we're

2803
01:52:26,320 --> 01:52:28,320
having these conversations and and it's

2804
01:52:28,320 --> 01:52:30,400
very intentional and sometimes draws our

2805
01:52:30,400 --> 01:52:33,040
way, but I feel like it's worth. Um, so

2806
01:52:33,040 --> 01:52:34,800
Mr. Mania, are you saying that this is

2807
01:52:34,800 --> 01:52:37,920
something that could happen in

2808
01:52:37,920 --> 01:52:41,280
conjunction with good cause? Are you

2809
01:52:41,280 --> 01:52:42,960
saying that that this has to be either

2810
01:52:42,960 --> 01:52:45,679
or or could this based on the data that

2811
01:52:45,679 --> 01:52:47,199
would have not be a guessing? I guess

2812
01:52:47,199 --> 01:52:47,760
that's

2813
01:52:47,760 --> 01:52:50,320
>> I think given the place we're in now,

2814
01:52:50,320 --> 01:52:54,000
this come before that would pass. The

2815
01:52:54,000 --> 01:52:56,480
good cause would pass. My guess and I

2816
01:52:56,480 --> 01:52:59,280
don't would be that would not good cause

2817
01:52:59,280 --> 01:53:02,800
would not pass. I think the work of this

2818
01:53:02,800 --> 01:53:05,280
task force will bring it. Yes, we need

2819
01:53:05,280 --> 01:53:07,840
it or clearly we've come up with

2820
01:53:07,840 --> 01:53:09,920
something better

2821
01:53:09,920 --> 01:53:11,440
that

2822
01:53:11,440 --> 01:53:14,239
that's what I would like us to get to.

2823
01:53:14,239 --> 01:53:16,639
Um and and you know the one thing about

2824
01:53:16,639 --> 01:53:19,360
one's connectity is I think clearly this

2825
01:53:19,360 --> 01:53:20,880
falls within our accountability

2826
01:53:20,880 --> 01:53:23,920
authority and I would ask Mr. O'Brien,

2827
01:53:23,920 --> 01:53:25,840
is there some language in if we were do

2828
01:53:25,840 --> 01:53:27,280
the resolution that gives us the

2829
01:53:27,280 --> 01:53:29,040
authority to enact the recommendations

2830
01:53:29,040 --> 01:53:30,960
which would be distinct from other

2831
01:53:30,960 --> 01:53:32,639
groups doing it where we as a city

2832
01:53:32,639 --> 01:53:36,800
council mayor this you know if there's

2833
01:53:36,800 --> 01:53:39,360
you know looking at your the housing uh

2834
01:53:39,360 --> 01:53:42,000
rental housing section I depending on

2835
01:53:42,000 --> 01:53:45,440
what areas of the uh code need to be

2836
01:53:45,440 --> 01:53:47,760
amended you can always do that if it's

2837
01:53:47,760 --> 01:53:50,080
within our authority some things take

2838
01:53:50,080 --> 01:53:52,800
state legislation but you know

2839
01:53:52,800 --> 01:53:55,760
depends on what the recommendations from

2840
01:53:55,760 --> 01:53:58,159
any task force say whether it's

2841
01:53:58,159 --> 01:54:00,000
something that can be has it been done

2842
01:54:00,000 --> 01:54:01,840
legislatively or program you know

2843
01:54:01,840 --> 01:54:04,480
through programs or requires state

2844
01:54:04,480 --> 01:54:08,159
enabling legislation. So that's that's

2845
01:54:08,159 --> 01:54:11,679
always the the possibility. Um but the

2846
01:54:11,679 --> 01:54:14,560
you know the uh if I can just follow up

2847
01:54:14,560 --> 01:54:19,040
you know the the local law number one is

2848
01:54:19,040 --> 01:54:21,360
still pending before you. I want to make

2849
01:54:21,360 --> 01:54:25,360
that clear. All right. I know we um it

2850
01:54:25,360 --> 01:54:27,440
was introduced

2851
01:54:27,440 --> 01:54:29,840
last uh last week. There will be more

2852
01:54:29,840 --> 01:54:32,639
than 7 days on your table. It's on for

2853
01:54:32,639 --> 01:54:36,000
final consideration next week.

2854
01:54:36,000 --> 01:54:39,119
The local law I mean the the resolution

2855
01:54:39,119 --> 01:54:41,440
for a public hearing that was the

2856
01:54:41,440 --> 01:54:43,760
council's public hearing. That is not

2857
01:54:43,760 --> 01:54:45,920
the mayor's public hearing. How does the

2858
01:54:45,920 --> 01:54:48,000
mayor's public hearing come about? only

2859
01:54:48,000 --> 01:54:50,800
if the local law is passed that would

2860
01:54:50,800 --> 01:54:57,199
require four votes. So the fact that the the public hearing resolution failed

2861
01:54:57,199 --> 01:55:02,239
last week does not impact the fact that local law number one is still

2862
01:55:02,239 --> 01:55:04,320
before you next week before a vote a

2863
01:55:04,320 --> 01:55:07,040
vote and if the sponsor wishes to

2864
01:55:07,040 --> 01:55:08,880
continue you know on that I don't you

2865
01:55:08,880 --> 01:55:11,040
know I don't want to speak on behalf of

2866
01:55:11,040 --> 01:55:13,440
Mr. Farley but right now that's that's

2867
01:55:13,440 --> 01:55:18,229
on for a vote for next week.

2868
01:55:18,239 --> 01:55:21,760
So I guess uh I would just

2869
01:55:21,760 --> 01:55:23,280
again just raise the point before you

2870
01:55:23,280 --> 01:55:25,119
move to a go. I'm just agree to think

2871
01:55:25,119 --> 01:55:26,719
that

2872
01:55:26,719 --> 01:55:29,119
um a housing task force is something

2873
01:55:29,119 --> 01:55:32,159
that I think could be um a valuable

2874
01:55:32,159 --> 01:55:34,400
thing but being that it's in the it's

2875
01:55:34,400 --> 01:55:37,199
being presented in the context in place

2876
01:55:37,199 --> 01:55:40,560
of good cause housing task force doesn't

2877
01:55:40,560 --> 01:55:43,840
prevent families who are being

2878
01:55:43,840 --> 01:55:47,599
wrongly convicted um which

2879
01:55:47,599 --> 01:55:49,520
I don't think that anyone on the council

2880
01:55:49,520 --> 01:55:51,520
I only ask Mr. But I don't think anybody

2881
01:55:51,520 --> 01:55:52,960
else on the council thinks that that's

2882
01:55:52,960 --> 01:55:55,520
not happening right now. I don't and and

2883
01:55:55,520 --> 01:55:56,800
please let me know if I'm wrong. I guess

2884
01:55:56,800 --> 01:55:58,480
that's a better question. Does anyone

2885
01:55:58,480 --> 01:56:02,159
think that that families are not being

2886
01:56:02,159 --> 01:56:04,480
wrongfully evicted in this connectivity

2887
01:56:04,480 --> 01:56:08,320
right now? Does anyone think that?

2888
01:56:08,320 --> 01:56:11,679
>> Well, do you have specific examples of

2889
01:56:11,679 --> 01:56:14,400
somebody's being wrongfully evicted? You

2890
01:56:14,400 --> 01:56:15,920
know, these are generic things. If

2891
01:56:15,920 --> 01:56:17,840
there's something that needs action,

2892
01:56:17,840 --> 01:56:20,560
I'll bring staff out of that tonight.

2893
01:56:20,560 --> 01:56:22,000
Get them back.

2894
01:56:22,000 --> 01:56:23,040
>> Bring more people from the law

2895
01:56:23,040 --> 01:56:25,119
department. I'll call the county. I'll

2896
01:56:25,119 --> 01:56:26,719
put a call in the governor's office. A

2897
01:56:26,719 --> 01:56:28,880
lot of this is rhetoric. You got to give

2898
01:56:28,880 --> 01:56:31,040
specific examples of people that are

2899
01:56:31,040 --> 01:56:35,040
being improperly, illegally, or somehow

2900
01:56:35,040 --> 01:56:36,639
treated improperly.

2901
01:56:36,639 --> 01:56:38,400
>> So, let me answer your question very

2902
01:56:38,400 --> 01:56:42,320
directly. Yes, there are uh incidents uh

2903
01:56:42,320 --> 01:56:44,480
people they came to the larger council

2904
01:56:44,480 --> 01:56:45,840
meeting and they've been there. There

2905
01:56:45,840 --> 01:56:47,280
hasn't been a council meeting I think in

2906
01:56:47,280 --> 01:56:48,800
the last larger council meetings where

2907
01:56:48,800 --> 01:56:50,639
no one hasn't got up and talked about

2908
01:56:50,639 --> 01:56:53,119
the fact that they had

2909
01:56:53,119 --> 01:56:55,679
people that were currently concerned

2910
01:56:55,679 --> 01:56:57,360
based on threats that were

2911
01:56:57,360 --> 01:56:59,040
>> concerned going through an eviction

2912
01:56:59,040 --> 01:56:59,440
process.

2913
01:56:59,440 --> 01:57:02,880
>> Hold on. So, so you're so then let me

2914
01:57:02,880 --> 01:57:04,560
answer it this way then.

2915
01:57:04,560 --> 01:57:06,719
>> The heart and spirit of good cause is to

2916
01:57:06,719 --> 01:57:09,199
prevent that from happening. So when

2917
01:57:09,199 --> 01:57:10,719
people come to their counsel and say

2918
01:57:10,719 --> 01:57:13,440
that that has been their experience, I

2919
01:57:13,440 --> 01:57:15,920
believe them. So when I say okay, that's

2920
01:57:15,920 --> 01:57:18,400
been your experience, good cause put

2921
01:57:18,400 --> 01:57:20,480
something in place to prevent that from

2922
01:57:20,480 --> 01:57:22,080
happening. And to your answer, yes,

2923
01:57:22,080 --> 01:57:24,159
multiple people have come before us and

2924
01:57:24,159 --> 01:57:26,320
said that they have been retaliatory or

2925
01:57:26,320 --> 01:57:29,040
they've been out of the home. So yes.

2926
01:57:29,040 --> 01:57:30,719
Um

2927
01:57:30,719 --> 01:57:32,800
at this point, I will uh entertain a

2928
01:57:32,800 --> 01:57:35,310
motion.

2929
01:57:35,310 --> 01:57:37,840
[Music]

2930
01:57:37,840 --> 01:57:39,599
Mr. Chairman, this is this is a motion

2931
01:57:39,599 --> 01:57:41,360
for the creation of the task force. Is

2932
01:57:41,360 --> 01:57:44,480
that is that was that the motion is that

2933
01:57:44,480 --> 01:57:46,960
the motive is on your member of the

2934
01:57:46,960 --> 01:57:48,560
committee?

2935
01:57:48,560 --> 01:57:51,280
>> Yes. I I like to that we create a task

2936
01:57:51,280 --> 01:57:54,000
force uh to invite these agencies to

2937
01:57:54,000 --> 01:57:56,159
help us uh participate and uh bring

2938
01:57:56,159 --> 01:58:01,260
ideas to the table.

2939
01:58:01,270 --> 01:58:03,920
[Music]

2940
01:58:03,920 --> 01:58:05,840
>> Second.

2941
01:58:05,840 --> 01:58:07,599
Um I'm I'm not going to second it

2942
01:58:07,599 --> 01:58:09,280
because I again feel like we should be

2943
01:58:09,280 --> 01:58:10,960
trying to work with one's connection. It

2944
01:58:10,960 --> 01:58:13,199
already exists. I think this is being

2945
01:58:13,199 --> 01:58:15,679
separate and apart and creating a whole

2946
01:58:15,679 --> 01:58:17,920
new entity

2947
01:58:17,920 --> 01:58:21,040
is not the most time uh time effective

2948
01:58:21,040 --> 01:58:23,360
way of doing this if if our real goal is

2949
01:58:23,360 --> 01:58:25,119
to address this but to join with an

2950
01:58:25,119 --> 01:58:27,199
organization that's doing that already.

2951
01:58:27,199 --> 01:58:30,000
Um, and we know that it has to come to

2952
01:58:30,000 --> 01:58:32,639
us in the long run, but why are we not

2953
01:58:32,639 --> 01:58:34,000
working with a group that's already

2954
01:58:34,000 --> 01:58:36,239
doing similarly as we're working with

2955
01:58:36,239 --> 01:58:38,639
another the landlord group who is who's

2956
01:58:38,639 --> 01:58:40,239
bringing things forward and we're being

2957
01:58:40,239 --> 01:58:42,639
very open to that. So again, the work's

2958
01:58:42,639 --> 01:58:44,880
being done. I think the better way to go

2959
01:58:44,880 --> 01:58:46,560
is to join with a group that's doing it

2960
01:58:46,560 --> 01:58:49,440
and not create our own separate entity

2961
01:58:49,440 --> 01:58:51,520
which will probably draw the same

2962
01:58:51,520 --> 01:58:53,360
people. We're going to be drawing on the

2963
01:58:53,360 --> 01:58:55,040
same people to come to the table. So

2964
01:58:55,040 --> 01:58:56,639
that's just one more group that they

2965
01:58:56,639 --> 01:58:59,760
have to be a part of. So based on the

2966
01:58:59,760 --> 01:59:05,280
evalu those are my evaluations. Um so I can't second it based on that.

2967
01:59:05,280 --> 01:59:08,639
>> Thank you. I obviously won't be second

2968
01:59:08,639 --> 01:59:12,400
based on the fact that again

2969
01:59:12,400 --> 01:59:14,800
this is uh legislation

2970
01:59:14,800 --> 01:59:17,760
that is being presented

2971
01:59:17,760 --> 01:59:20,880
uh instead of root cause is how it's um

2972
01:59:20,880 --> 01:59:22,960
crafted here in the legislation.

2973
01:59:22,960 --> 01:59:25,840
Therefore, I can't uh support it because

2974
01:59:25,840 --> 01:59:27,760
it doesn't offer any of the protections

2975
01:59:27,760 --> 01:59:30,880
that good cause does um and as we've

2976
01:59:30,880 --> 01:59:32,480
been talking to people that are coming

2977
01:59:32,480 --> 01:59:35,040
to the rail and have been reaching out

2978
01:59:35,040 --> 01:59:38,639
to us very clearly, this is a problem

2979
01:59:38,639 --> 01:59:40,719
and I can't support anything that's

2980
01:59:40,719 --> 01:59:42,639
going to let another family be

2981
01:59:42,639 --> 01:59:44,639
wrongfully evicted out of their house

2982
01:59:44,639 --> 01:59:47,520
and uprooted to this place um while we

2983
01:59:47,520 --> 01:59:51,199
figure out data that we've that's

2984
01:59:51,199 --> 01:59:52,960
already been presented to us that's

2985
01:59:52,960 --> 01:59:57,119
already ex existed and I'm don't think

2986
01:59:57,119 --> 01:59:59,840
that just based on the conversation I

2987
01:59:59,840 --> 02:00:01,360
don't know that the council has read

2988
02:00:01,360 --> 02:00:03,440
through this legislation um I don't know

2989
02:00:03,440 --> 02:00:06,000
that everyone has I would just strongly

2990
02:00:06,000 --> 02:00:07,679
suggest that you really read through the

2991
02:00:07,679 --> 02:00:09,840
legislation because again nothing that

2992
02:00:09,840 --> 02:00:12,000
was brought forward today as far as

2993
02:00:12,000 --> 02:00:13,920
landlord protections as far as evicting

2994
02:00:13,920 --> 02:00:16,239
people based on breaking lease damage

2995
02:00:16,239 --> 02:00:18,080
property and nonp payment of rent those

2996
02:00:18,080 --> 02:00:20,320
are all permissible under good cause so

2997
02:00:20,320 --> 02:00:23,440
with that I I won't be

2998
02:00:23,440 --> 02:00:29,189
That motion correct.

2999
02:00:29,199 --> 02:00:31,280
» Before you close, I just want to um

3000
02:00:31,280 --> 02:00:33,520
thank Mr. Mansini for trying to come up

3001
02:00:33,520 --> 02:00:36,000
with a solution that trying to present

3002
02:00:36,000 --> 02:00:37,760
some sort of creative solution that

3003
02:00:37,760 --> 02:00:39,599
would help us through this discussion

3004
02:00:39,599 --> 02:00:41,760
about housing stability. So, thanks. I

3005
02:00:41,760 --> 02:00:43,280
thought it was I thought it was a good

3006
02:00:43,280 --> 02:00:44,159
try.

3007
02:00:44,159 --> 02:00:46,880
>> And Mr. Ming, I appreciate you uh your

3008
02:00:46,880 --> 02:00:49,760
ideas around the task force. that I just

3009
02:00:49,760 --> 02:00:52,000
can't support it in place of good cause

3010
02:00:52,000 --> 02:00:54,320
because good cause protects people and

3011
02:00:54,320 --> 02:00:56,320
keeps them in their house and this

3012
02:00:56,320 --> 02:00:57,920
doesn't do that.

3013
02:00:57,920 --> 02:01:00,239
>> Yeah. Just final comment was what in

3014
02:01:00,239 --> 02:01:04,880
place of was to gain support of

3015
02:01:04,880 --> 02:01:08,000
so then and we're not going to get there

3016
02:01:08,000 --> 02:01:10,400
task force but they got information come

3017
02:01:10,400 --> 02:01:12,320
up with some other solutions that are

3018
02:01:12,320 --> 02:01:14,800
possible but not in place of get more

3019
02:01:14,800 --> 02:01:16,560
information as necessary. I don't think

3020
02:01:16,560 --> 02:01:19,760
we need or know if it's necessary. Well,

3021
02:01:19,760 --> 02:01:22,239
in the data, but I don't know what we've

3022
02:01:22,239 --> 02:01:24,000
done to resolve those and I don't know

3023
02:01:24,000 --> 02:01:27,119
that this law is going to solve those

3024
02:01:27,119 --> 02:01:30,800
problems. I don't think we solve all.

3025
02:01:30,800 --> 02:01:32,320
So, we on the same page. I don't think

3026
02:01:32,320 --> 02:01:34,159
that good cause solves all the problems.

3027
02:01:34,159 --> 02:01:36,239
I think that it does offer protections

3028
02:01:36,239 --> 02:01:38,960
for people who are wrongfully

3029
02:01:38,960 --> 02:01:42,159
um and illegally and and right now not

3030
02:01:42,159 --> 02:01:43,760
but wrongfully being convicted for like

3031
02:01:43,760 --> 02:01:46,480
retaliatory convictions and based on

3032
02:01:46,480 --> 02:01:51,520
their um uh sexual orientation andor all

3033
02:01:51,520 --> 02:01:53,920
those things that came to the real set.

3034
02:01:53,920 --> 02:01:57,510
So I'm sorry

3035
02:01:57,520 --> 02:01:59,280
we're going to sit here and we spin it

3036
02:01:59,280 --> 02:02:01,760
right the way around my phone. This is

3037
02:02:01,760 --> 02:02:03,280
my committee sir. This is my committee

3038
02:02:03,280 --> 02:02:04,159
sir.

3039
02:02:04,159 --> 02:02:05,040
spinning stuff.

3040
02:02:05,040 --> 02:02:06,560
>> See, but this is a problem.

3041
02:02:06,560 --> 02:02:07,119
>> My gosh.

3042
02:02:07,119 --> 02:02:08,880
>> See, but look, the way you're conducting

3043
02:02:08,880 --> 02:02:10,480
yourself right now is is what I perceive

3044
02:02:10,480 --> 02:02:12,080
as a problem. Just because you feel the

3045
02:02:12,080 --> 02:02:14,159
conversation is going on long, you're

3046
02:02:14,159 --> 02:02:15,599
being disrespectful.

3047
02:02:15,599 --> 02:02:17,760
>> No, it's not because I I'm not against

3048
02:02:17,760 --> 02:02:19,840
allowing people to allow people to

3049
02:02:19,840 --> 02:02:22,000
express themselves. Debating people for

3050
02:02:22,000 --> 02:02:23,040
the whole evening.

3051
02:02:23,040 --> 02:02:24,159
>> But sir, right now,

3052
02:02:24,159 --> 02:02:25,920
>> everyone is entitled to their opinion

3053
02:02:25,920 --> 02:02:27,920
and you should respect that. You're not

3054
02:02:27,920 --> 02:02:31,280
respecting our the other members opinion

3055
02:02:31,280 --> 02:02:31,920
and suggestion.

3056
02:02:31,920 --> 02:02:33,520
>> Right now you're acting out of order,

3057
02:02:33,520 --> 02:02:36,000
sir. Right now, I have to call it out of

3058
02:02:36,000 --> 02:02:38,000
order. You have to call it.

3059
02:02:38,000 --> 02:02:39,119
>> Okay. Well, then

3060
02:02:39,119 --> 02:02:41,440
>> excuse me, sir. Gentlemen, Mr. Mr. Moon

3061
02:02:41,440 --> 02:02:43,119
with Mr. Farley saying that he did not

3062
02:02:43,119 --> 02:02:46,320
call on you and um and recognize you to

3063
02:02:46,320 --> 02:02:47,520
speak. That's what he's saying right

3064
02:02:47,520 --> 02:02:48,639
now.

3065
02:02:48,639 --> 02:02:50,880
>> Um Mr. Farley, if I can inter Mayor, did

3066
02:02:50,880 --> 02:02:52,400
you there was I saw that your pen was

3067
02:02:52,400 --> 02:02:53,599
up. Did you? Is there something you

3068
02:02:53,599 --> 02:02:56,480
wanted to interject here? Could

3069
02:02:56,480 --> 02:02:59,040
the clerk just transmit around I'd like

3070
02:02:59,040 --> 02:03:03,199
copies of whatever the data is or the

3071
02:03:03,199 --> 02:03:04,880
information that's part of the record of

3072
02:03:04,880 --> 02:03:07,679
the council

3073
02:03:07,679 --> 02:03:09,199
>> that was provided to us at the last

3074
02:03:09,199 --> 02:03:10,639
council meeting.

3075
02:03:10,639 --> 02:03:12,159
>> Well,

3076
02:03:12,159 --> 02:03:16,080
just narrative over the rail is not a

3077
02:03:16,080 --> 02:03:19,440
formal presentation of stuff to each

3078
02:03:19,440 --> 02:03:21,440
individual council member. It's not

3079
02:03:21,440 --> 02:03:25,119
subject to uh review. And if you're

3080
02:03:25,119 --> 02:03:27,440
voting on something, you should know

3081
02:03:27,440 --> 02:03:29,119
what you're voting. You've asked for

3082
02:03:29,119 --> 02:03:31,679
data on a lot of things. I've made that

3083
02:03:31,679 --> 02:03:34,960
a big portion here. What data is before

3084
02:03:34,960 --> 02:03:38,000
the council?

3085
02:03:38,000 --> 02:03:39,840
>> I can say that there was data that was

3086
02:03:39,840 --> 02:03:41,520
presented at the council meeting at the

3087
02:03:41,520 --> 02:03:44,080
last council meeting that um so somebody

3088
02:03:44,080 --> 02:03:46,719
came forward. So we could we uh yeah, we

3089
02:03:46,719 --> 02:03:49,119
do have that. Um, and if you're asking

3090
02:03:49,119 --> 02:03:50,560
about all of the data that's been

3091
02:03:50,560 --> 02:03:53,520
requested here, it would, you know, take

3092
02:03:53,520 --> 02:03:55,280
a few days. If you just want to see

3093
02:03:55,280 --> 02:03:56,480
what's been presented to the council,

3094
02:03:56,480 --> 02:03:57,760
then there's that. But if you're asking

3095
02:03:57,760 --> 02:03:59,760
for all the data that's outlined here,

3096
02:03:59,760 --> 02:04:01,199
it would take a couple days. But I

3097
02:04:01,199 --> 02:04:03,679
believe the data exists and can be

3098
02:04:03,679 --> 02:04:05,599
compiled in

3099
02:04:05,599 --> 02:04:06,960
>> what's part of the record.

3100
02:04:06,960 --> 02:04:08,560
>> Okay. Part of the record that that we

3101
02:04:08,560 --> 02:04:11,910
have.

3102
02:04:11,920 --> 02:04:14,320
» So, um,

3103
02:04:14,320 --> 02:04:18,000
I'm sorry, Mr. Man. Uh, Mr. Farley. Yes.

3104
02:04:18,000 --> 02:04:20,560
>> So I I want I want to make sure I give

3105
02:04:20,560 --> 02:04:23,520
Mr. Junior opportunity to speak while I

3106
02:04:23,520 --> 02:04:28,000
call on Mr. I'm good. Oh okay.

3107
02:04:28,000 --> 02:04:29,280
>> Thank you.

3108
02:04:29,280 --> 02:04:30,880
>> Okay. Thank you sir.

3109
02:04:30,880 --> 02:04:32,159
>> Thank you. As long as we're still going.

3110
02:04:32,159 --> 02:04:34,480
You said being a victim for sexual

3111
02:04:34,480 --> 02:04:35,920
preference and things like that. We

3112
02:04:35,920 --> 02:04:37,440
don't have any data for that. So that's

3113
02:04:37,440 --> 02:04:39,360
not even on the table. So

3114
02:04:39,360 --> 02:04:41,280
>> I'm I'm sorry. It's just

3115
02:04:41,280 --> 02:04:42,320
>> you can say that. That's fine.

3116
02:04:42,320 --> 02:04:45,360
>> Right. I mean, the mayor asked, you

3117
02:04:45,360 --> 02:04:48,400
know, who's coming forward, who's there?

3118
02:04:48,400 --> 02:04:49,840
I mean, people are getting evicted

3119
02:04:49,840 --> 02:04:52,320
obviously for reasons that the court

3120
02:04:52,320 --> 02:04:55,599
finds acceptable. But I I again, I want

3121
02:04:55,599 --> 02:04:57,199
to know why we're third in the state.

3122
02:04:57,199 --> 02:04:58,880
Maybe Sam can get those numbers together

3123
02:04:58,880 --> 02:05:02,480
for us. This this here uh that we got uh

3124
02:05:02,480 --> 02:05:04,000
over the rail, just handed over the

3125
02:05:04,000 --> 02:05:06,320
rail. It could have been made up, but we

3126
02:05:06,320 --> 02:05:09,199
don't know. No,

3127
02:05:09,199 --> 02:05:11,199
>> I think they they I think they cited

3128
02:05:11,199 --> 02:05:12,639
where where the information came from,

3129
02:05:12,639 --> 02:05:14,800
man. I don't think it was cited. It was

3130
02:05:14,800 --> 02:05:15,679
cited

3131
02:05:15,679 --> 02:05:17,040
>> just handed it over. I

3132
02:05:17,040 --> 02:05:19,360
>> Well, can I just say that that happens

3133
02:05:19,360 --> 02:05:21,360
to us often. We are often handed things

3134
02:05:21,360 --> 02:05:22,880
across the rail. So,

3135
02:05:22,880 --> 02:05:25,599
>> and we don't always necessarily um

3136
02:05:25,599 --> 02:05:28,719
question the authenticity of it or where

3137
02:05:28,719 --> 02:05:30,880
it sourced from, but this one did give

3138
02:05:30,880 --> 02:05:32,639
the sources. So, I mean, I know

3139
02:05:32,639 --> 02:05:34,480
obviously this is a very hot topic even

3140
02:05:34,480 --> 02:05:36,000
among council members and a very

3141
02:05:36,000 --> 02:05:38,560
passionate uh topic even among council

3142
02:05:38,560 --> 02:05:41,920
members. So, we've all had our say today

3143
02:05:41,920 --> 02:05:45,199
and lots of it. Um, clearly this did not

3144
02:05:45,199 --> 02:05:48,000
pass out of committee. Um and and I also

3145
02:05:48,000 --> 02:05:51,280
want to say in terms of the cause that

3146
02:05:51,280 --> 02:05:53,599
we consistently talk about um tenants

3147
02:05:53,599 --> 02:05:55,920
and tenant protections, but it also

3148
02:05:55,920 --> 02:05:57,760
protects landlords. And I think that you

3149
02:05:57,760 --> 02:06:00,239
should not lose sight of that because it

3150
02:06:00,239 --> 02:06:02,800
gives them the ability to say somebody's

3151
02:06:02,800 --> 02:06:05,119
not paying your rent, you have to go.

3152
02:06:05,119 --> 02:06:06,480
Somebody's destroying your property or

3153
02:06:06,480 --> 02:06:09,199
all these somebody's you said you your

3154
02:06:09,199 --> 02:06:11,040
lease says one person and you moved in

3155
02:06:11,040 --> 02:06:13,520
five people, they have to go. So there

3156
02:06:13,520 --> 02:06:15,920
are protections for landlords and

3157
02:06:15,920 --> 02:06:18,320
tenants in this legislation and that

3158
02:06:18,320 --> 02:06:20,560
good cause legislation. So that's the

3159
02:06:20,560 --> 02:06:22,080
last comment I have. Mr.

3160
02:06:22,080 --> 02:06:25,119
>> So we saw with that um I would say uh

3161
02:06:25,119 --> 02:06:27,760
that uh Mr. Nini um I what I was saying

3162
02:06:27,760 --> 02:06:30,400
is I appreciate um what you're how you

3163
02:06:30,400 --> 02:06:33,199
presenting this task force. Again I just

3164
02:06:33,199 --> 02:06:36,960
due to it being instead of so you and I

3165
02:06:36,960 --> 02:06:38,719
um were both at the last ones connected

3166
02:06:38,719 --> 02:06:40,719
to me and we've had conversations. I

3167
02:06:40,719 --> 02:06:42,239
look forward to working continue to work

3168
02:06:42,239 --> 02:06:44,239
with you on these conversations. You all

3169
02:06:44,239 --> 02:06:46,560
can get all that and figure it out. Um

3170
02:06:46,560 --> 02:06:48,560
yeah. So again, this isn't an argument.

3171
02:06:48,560 --> 02:06:51,360
Um this is a open exchange of of ideas

3172
02:06:51,360 --> 02:06:53,119
that's important because it impacts

3173
02:06:53,119 --> 02:06:55,520
people's livelihood and it's urgent for

3174
02:06:55,520 --> 02:06:57,599
people who are in the situation. Thank

3175
02:06:57,599 --> 02:06:59,520
God in my situation right now. I'm going

3176
02:06:59,520 --> 02:07:02,560
to set this table that I know of. Um

3177
02:07:02,560 --> 02:07:06,480
with that uh I any more issues come

3178
02:07:06,480 --> 02:07:08,239
before government operations? If not, I

3179
02:07:08,239 --> 02:07:10,159
will accept a motion to adjurnn. So

3180
02:07:10,159 --> 02:07:10,719
moved.

3181
02:07:10,719 --> 02:07:12,079
>> Second.

3182
02:07:12,079 --> 02:07:14,000
>> We are journal.

3183
02:07:14,000 --> 02:07:14,159
All

3184
02:07:14,159 --> 02:07:14,480
>> in favor.

3185
02:07:14,480 --> 02:07:15,520
>> All in favor?

3186
02:07:15,520 --> 02:07:16,000
>> I

3187
02:07:16,000 --> 02:07:20,000
>> Everyone seems to be in favor.

3188
02:07:20,000 --> 02:07:21,440
>> Call the order of the claims committee.

3189
02:07:21,440 --> 02:07:24,560
We have two items on the agenda. Um they

3190
02:07:24,560 --> 02:07:28,480
both seem to be uh in action item. So I

3191
02:07:28,480 --> 02:07:30,880
will

3192
02:07:30,880 --> 02:07:34,719
motion to go into executive session.

3193
02:07:34,719 --> 02:07:36,719
>> Oh,

3194
02:07:36,719 --> 02:07:38,800
the motion. All right. She got me all

3195
02:07:38,800 --> 02:07:42,069
flustered.

3196
02:07:42,079 --> 02:07:45,360
» I'll second it. Okay. Right now.

3197
02:07:45,360 --> 02:07:46,480
>> All in favor?

3198
02:07:46,480 --> 02:07:48,000
>> I I We

3199
02:07:48,000 --> 02:07:50,719
>> We got it. All right. The public will

3200
02:07:50,719 --> 02:07:51,199
have to leave.

3201
02:07:51,199 --> 02:07:52,560
>> Yes. Members of the public will have to

3202
02:07:52,560 --> 02:07:59,030
leave.

3203
02:07:59,040 --> 02:08:00,480
[Music]

3204
02:08:00,480 --> 02:08:04,850
>> I'm going with her.

3205
02:08:04,860 --> 02:08:30,320
[Music]

3206
02:08:30,320 --> 02:08:34,050
Heat. Heat.

3207
02:08:34,060 --> 02:09:03,520
[Music]

3208
02:09:03,520 --> 02:09:07,340
Heat. Heat.

3209
02:09:07,350 --> 02:09:20,899
[Music]