1 00:00:25,680 --> 00:00:30,880 Okay, we'll go ahead and call our meeting to order. 2 00:00:32,160 --> 00:00:41,800 First, we'll talk about the approval of minutes for June 26. Have you all had a 3 00:00:37,840 --> 00:00:41,800 chance to review the minutes? 4 00:00:47,600 --> 00:00:56,480 » Motion to accept June 20 minutes. 5 00:00:52,719 --> 00:01:00,960 » Second. All right. full businesswood project. 6 00:00:58,960 --> 00:01:07,360 » All right. So, just to give everybody an update, um I spoke with uh Fleetwood 7 00:01:04,159 --> 00:01:11,680 Bradshaw. Um she had spoken with Gives McDow, what we spoke about at our last 8 00:01:09,280 --> 00:01:16,880 meeting. Um we let them know that there was an option as long as it was free for 9 00:01:14,799 --> 00:01:21,759 Palms on the Parkway to transplant palm tree. Um, when having that conversation, 10 00:01:20,080 --> 00:01:26,400 uh, it was my understanding that they would like to just move forward with 11 00:01:24,000 --> 00:01:30,320 cutting out the portion of art from the palm tree and preserving it for 12 00:01:27,920 --> 00:01:35,040 memorial. So, our next steps are we're going to be contacting USCB to see if we 13 00:01:32,960 --> 00:01:39,680 can partner with um, some of the local artists at the school and see if they 14 00:01:36,880 --> 00:01:44,720 can help preserve it um, and kind of collaborate with them moving forward. Um 15 00:01:42,400 --> 00:01:51,200 so moving forward we'll have to transition to obviously working with 16 00:01:47,200 --> 00:01:57,040 USCB um finding a location. Um they did provide me material um to what they 17 00:01:54,399 --> 00:02:01,520 would think a memorial would be for him. Um so at our next meeting time we'll be 18 00:01:59,759 --> 00:02:07,360 presenting that so that everybody can look at it once we kind of figure out um 19 00:02:05,360 --> 00:02:12,000 who from USCB would help us. >> Who presented the material? Uh it was 20 00:02:09,599 --> 00:02:15,599 » Oh, Fleetwood and and Gibbs. >> Yes. And they presented the material 21 00:02:13,920 --> 00:02:19,280 kind of they put things together of how they thought a memorial would go 22 00:02:17,120 --> 00:02:23,840 together. Um just brainstorming some ideas um to help us out what they're 23 00:02:21,599 --> 00:02:28,480 thinking moving forward. Um so that would be our next step is to get in 24 00:02:26,400 --> 00:02:32,080 touch with USCB whether if somebody from the committee wants to or if you want us 25 00:02:29,920 --> 00:02:36,080 to reach out see if there's somebody that we partner with. Um, I do have a 26 00:02:34,239 --> 00:02:40,160 connection with the school with my mother-in-law. So, if you want to, we 27 00:02:38,400 --> 00:02:43,440 can reach out that way. If it's something you guys want to do, I'm 28 00:02:41,360 --> 00:02:47,760 absolutely fine with that. But those will probably be the next step in 29 00:02:45,519 --> 00:02:52,879 contact with that, figuring out how we can put it out, best preserve it, where 30 00:02:50,400 --> 00:02:59,840 we can then select the memorial. They did state that they are for it being 31 00:02:55,599 --> 00:03:02,959 somewhere where the um tree died is tree. 32 00:03:02,000 --> 00:03:10,640 » The tree walk. Yeah, >> starting on Craven Street. 33 00:03:06,400 --> 00:03:15,519 » And there are some places in those flower beds, you know, that are empty 34 00:03:13,120 --> 00:03:18,400 and probably could could have something like that. 35 00:03:16,080 --> 00:03:22,480 » Yeah, that was their idea. They wanted foot traffic and, you know, people 36 00:03:20,080 --> 00:03:28,239 obviously downtown is extremely busy, so they want more visibility. Um they they 37 00:03:25,280 --> 00:03:32,400 said southside um outside of people in the playground and the dog park, it may 38 00:03:30,480 --> 00:03:35,920 get missed. you know, there may not be a lot of people actually really paying 39 00:03:33,519 --> 00:03:41,200 attention to it. Um, other than what we do, our city events that would go there, 40 00:03:39,200 --> 00:03:44,400 but that would be very far. So, they really wanted to try to see if we can 41 00:03:42,959 --> 00:03:48,400 get it somewhere. >> You know, we were talking about doing a 42 00:03:45,840 --> 00:03:52,560 plaque and did they come up with the verbiage that 43 00:03:50,720 --> 00:03:58,080 they would prefer to use? Was it a lot of verb? So there was a couple of 44 00:03:55,200 --> 00:04:01,760 articles that were in the presentation of what they thought would be good 45 00:03:59,760 --> 00:04:06,000 memorialization of it. So there were stuff that we could use. There was um 46 00:04:04,400 --> 00:04:09,599 pictures and writings that they thought that they would want to write up for it. 47 00:04:08,000 --> 00:04:12,959 It's kind of like a little bit of everything that they presented to us 48 00:04:11,200 --> 00:04:17,359 that one day. But it doesn't mean that we can't condense it down to something a 49 00:04:14,959 --> 00:04:23,360 little bit more uniform while still capturing the idea of what they want. 50 00:04:20,560 --> 00:04:29,520 Okay. But that's why I think one figuring out how we can preserve it if 51 00:04:25,919 --> 00:04:34,639 USCB would assist with that. Um, and then finding a location would be the 52 00:04:32,320 --> 00:04:38,320 next thing. So maybe we do some homework on the tree walk and see what parks are 53 00:04:36,479 --> 00:04:42,000 there and which locations make most sense. 54 00:04:40,960 --> 00:04:46,080 » Okay, >> sound good. Everybody, anybody have any 55 00:04:43,520 --> 00:04:52,000 questions? >> No. Okay, very good. Moving on to PTAC 56 00:04:50,240 --> 00:04:59,600 responsibility changes. >> Um so I am going to contact um Isaiah 57 00:04:57,520 --> 00:05:04,880 for him to send over the email of the finalized recommendations. So that way 58 00:05:02,960 --> 00:05:08,639 Nate can then send it to the city manager for approval. And once that's 59 00:05:07,360 --> 00:05:15,280 approved, we're hoping that we can get them on the um August agenda for work 60 00:05:12,960 --> 00:05:20,320 session. After that, it would then probably go to September um for it to be 61 00:05:18,160 --> 00:05:26,080 voted on as long as there's no changes or recommendations from city council or 62 00:05:22,800 --> 00:05:31,120 city manager. And I believe Isaiah is still the one that's going to represent 63 00:05:28,000 --> 00:05:34,240 the uh PE. So that's something we'll just need for him as soon as possible. 64 00:05:32,880 --> 00:05:38,280 So I'll get with him afterwards, but just letting you know that that process. 65 00:05:38,960 --> 00:05:50,400 » Okay. PEK review of chapter 5 ordinance. Have you all did you have a chance to 66 00:05:47,120 --> 00:05:53,440 read the email with attachments? >> I do. Right. Right. 67 00:05:51,520 --> 00:06:00,199 » Yeah. Do you have any comments to make on that? 68 00:05:56,639 --> 00:06:00,199 » It's pretty self-explanatory. 69 00:06:09,600 --> 00:06:13,560 You're going to unmute the mic. 70 00:06:18,319 --> 00:06:22,560 » There was one more attachment that had a lot of colors. 71 00:06:21,840 --> 00:06:27,639 » Yes, >> that was the old one, right? 72 00:06:24,160 --> 00:06:27,639 » That's where it shows. 73 00:06:27,759 --> 00:06:32,639 I read the revisions and then I'm like, look at this. 74 00:06:30,800 --> 00:06:36,240 » Almost 30 pages. >> Yeah. I mean, this is it right here. 75 00:06:34,479 --> 00:06:39,759 Okay. At least it's okay. 76 00:06:46,560 --> 00:06:51,840 Can you guys hear me? >> Yeah, there we go. I got you now. 77 00:06:50,240 --> 00:06:55,840 » There we go. All right. Sorry, a little technical difficulties because I'm not 78 00:06:53,759 --> 00:07:02,160 I'm not exact I'm kind of mobile right now. Um, one of the things that I was 79 00:06:58,880 --> 00:07:08,880 in, uh, going over everything, um, that in chapter five, I was interested in um, 80 00:07:05,680 --> 00:07:15,520 possibly discussing increasing um, the DBH minimums from 6 in. uh the 81 00:07:13,199 --> 00:07:22,000 six inches per DBH for the undisturbed round trees to um most uh most arbor um 82 00:07:20,319 --> 00:07:27,039 associations and foundations and research indicates that it actually 83 00:07:23,759 --> 00:07:31,120 should be 1 and 1/2 ft instead of 6 in. So, I was wanted to put forward and ask 84 00:07:29,360 --> 00:07:34,960 if that would something be something the rest of the committee um would be 85 00:07:32,960 --> 00:07:41,919 interested in in changing or making a recommendation to uh city council that 86 00:07:37,759 --> 00:07:49,199 be instead go from 6 in as the DBH uh standard to one and a half ft. 87 00:07:45,280 --> 00:07:53,599 » What um what section of of chapter 5 is that? 88 00:07:50,880 --> 00:07:56,840 Um, let me Sorry, I'm trying to do this while we're 89 00:07:56,960 --> 00:07:59,960 » too 90 00:08:03,120 --> 00:08:06,520 a big difference 91 00:08:17,440 --> 00:08:26,639 two and five and list the DVA. Like live oaks have a 12 in 92 00:08:23,280 --> 00:08:30,680 landmark. These are 24 in trees are less than 8 in. 93 00:08:36,880 --> 00:08:41,640 wanted to put maybe 94 00:08:46,640 --> 00:08:50,040 18 in 95 00:08:51,120 --> 00:08:56,480 this what you're talking about key changes. 96 00:08:54,399 --> 00:09:00,399 » Well, this I know he's talking about this, but they're for different like 97 00:08:58,399 --> 00:09:05,560 specimen trees, landmark trees. >> Sure. 98 00:09:02,000 --> 00:09:05,560 12 and 24. 99 00:09:18,240 --> 00:09:26,880 My understanding more 18 in for all trees. 100 00:09:24,080 --> 00:09:32,320 » Yeah. Michael, can you hear us? >> Yeah, I can I can hear you guys. So um 101 00:09:29,920 --> 00:09:38,320 essentially what it is is it's the um it's the tree protection zone the the 102 00:09:34,640 --> 00:09:44,880 TPZ and the critical root zone um that factors in that essentially says that um 103 00:09:42,480 --> 00:09:50,680 currently in the code for the TPZ standards it's uh it's 6 in DBH. 104 00:09:54,240 --> 00:10:03,000 » What part of the code what what part of chapter 5 is that? 105 00:09:59,360 --> 00:10:03,000 Let me take a look here. 106 00:10:08,080 --> 00:10:11,080 » Okay. 107 00:10:12,000 --> 00:10:15,000 » 54 108 00:10:17,279 --> 00:10:24,279 buffer. Well, I'm looking at tree removal 109 00:10:24,800 --> 00:10:33,680 right here. that. Yes. And this is 6 in. 110 00:10:30,240 --> 00:10:39,920 » Um so it should be the sections uh 5.11.9 111 00:10:35,360 --> 00:10:46,240 and the 5.1100 chapter 5 division 11. Um it doesn't it's not tree protection zone 112 00:10:42,399 --> 00:10:50,720 per se explicitly in in our code. Um but it's talking about the um essentially 113 00:10:48,800 --> 00:10:55,360 the area that can't be preserved around trees. 114 00:10:51,760 --> 00:11:05,320 » The um the tree removal zone TPZ. >> Yeah. Okay. And your thought is what? 115 00:11:00,079 --> 00:11:05,320 » Increasing it from to one and a half. 116 00:11:29,760 --> 00:11:36,680 I don't see it doesn't look like 5 5.1 is on hand. 117 00:11:46,880 --> 00:11:51,200 Got 5.8 but not 5.11. 118 00:12:10,320 --> 00:12:14,440 Do you know what's addressed in 119 00:12:58,720 --> 00:13:01,720 Here's 120 00:13:06,800 --> 00:13:14,200 um under this section of tree root protection sign TPC requirements. 121 00:13:22,720 --> 00:13:28,480 This is addressed. >> I thought didn't he say 511? 122 00:13:26,160 --> 00:13:34,160 » That's what I heard. try to look it up. 123 00:13:31,440 --> 00:13:39,399 » So, this is to uh this is to help protect trees more or less. 124 00:13:35,920 --> 00:13:39,399 » I was looking for 125 00:13:40,800 --> 00:13:47,519 the last thing that they said was a 5.8 on 126 00:13:44,480 --> 00:13:52,560 » Yeah, I think >> Michael, 127 00:13:49,200 --> 00:13:59,040 we don't see a 5.11 >> actually. I'm sorry. I think it it's 5. 128 00:13:55,040 --> 00:14:03,760 It's 5.3. Can you guys hear me? 5.3 you said 129 00:14:00,240 --> 00:14:06,800 » yeah it's the um >> when talking about the specifics for 130 00:14:05,279 --> 00:14:14,199 safeguarding the area around trees during construction 131 00:14:09,680 --> 00:14:14,199 » right the TPZ zone 5.3 132 00:14:14,480 --> 00:14:19,920 » yes >> okay 133 00:14:17,600 --> 00:14:24,160 » it's uh currently half a foot per one inch of trunk 134 00:14:21,920 --> 00:14:30,320 » of of the DBH right >> yeah and I would and I think it should 135 00:14:27,040 --> 00:14:36,240 be most um from what I've been able to tell most other uh like the um uh 136 00:14:33,680 --> 00:14:40,000 Sullivan's Island and a couple other um coastal communities they've actually 137 00:14:37,839 --> 00:14:45,680 increased that from 6 in they're the half foot to one and a half ft when it 138 00:14:42,480 --> 00:14:49,920 comes to these uh construction um when it comes to construction to preserve 139 00:14:47,279 --> 00:14:57,680 these trees >> six inches to 18 inches per 140 00:14:54,959 --> 00:15:01,279 yeah per inch of tree the >> Yes, correct. 141 00:14:59,120 --> 00:15:06,320 » For diameter. >> Yeah. Because what it what it allows to 142 00:15:02,959 --> 00:15:12,720 its allows the trees the larger trees to have a better chance of not having root 143 00:15:09,199 --> 00:15:18,959 dieback when they come in and um you know there's uh what was I think it was 144 00:15:15,120 --> 00:15:23,519 um um the Sullivan's Island that had a whole thing where it said that you know 145 00:15:20,480 --> 00:15:27,519 when they do the um um when if there is going to be kind of 146 00:15:25,920 --> 00:15:32,639 any kind of construction within that zone it has to be a certain percentage. 147 00:15:29,680 --> 00:15:37,279 it can't go over that. Um but basically it essentially the idea is to protect 148 00:15:35,120 --> 00:15:41,040 the uh heritage trees as much as possible and give them as much of a 149 00:15:39,120 --> 00:15:46,399 fighting chance uh with their root structure to prevent them from um um 150 00:15:44,560 --> 00:15:50,360 having root die back over the years and eventually lose the tree 151 00:15:54,480 --> 00:16:00,480 » because most most damage to a tree from construction actually isn't quite 152 00:15:58,800 --> 00:16:03,519 visible usually even within the first year of wrong construction. Sometimes 153 00:16:02,000 --> 00:16:06,880 it's years down the road that you actually see the damage results from 154 00:16:06,160 --> 00:16:10,720 construction. >> Yeah. A lot of compression of vehicles 155 00:16:08,720 --> 00:16:14,959 and stuff going on the roof the roof systems. I you know I am not in 156 00:16:13,600 --> 00:16:18,199 disagreement of that. What do you all think of that? 157 00:16:19,839 --> 00:16:27,320 » I'm just saying what are you saying? >> For protecting trees. That's right. 158 00:16:27,519 --> 00:16:33,440 I I think we they're not coming down here complaining 159 00:16:31,920 --> 00:16:35,839 the people who cut down the trees. If they're not coming down here 160 00:16:34,399 --> 00:16:39,519 complaining, we need to go stricter. That's what I think. 161 00:16:38,800 --> 00:16:44,160 » Well, >> I I don't have a problem with it. I I 162 00:16:41,600 --> 00:16:48,959 think it's a, you know, viable idea, but I think that if you're a developer, 163 00:16:47,199 --> 00:16:56,079 they're going to get major push back. >> Yeah. you know, 18 inches, a foot and a 164 00:16:51,279 --> 00:17:00,839 half if you have a 24 a 24 inch caliber tree. I mean, do the math. That's 165 00:17:04,319 --> 00:17:08,559 » We're here to make recommendations and we're here to pave trees. 166 00:17:07,199 --> 00:17:17,679 » Is there a motion to make a recommendation to increase size 167 00:17:14,000 --> 00:17:20,480 from 6 in to 18 in motion? 168 00:17:19,280 --> 00:17:23,199 Okay. Second. >> Second. 169 00:17:21,199 --> 00:17:28,160 » All right. All in favor? All right. All right. Thank you for the recommendation. 170 00:17:26,480 --> 00:17:31,760 We'll we'll move forward with that and present that. 171 00:17:29,919 --> 00:17:37,240 » Might get a compromise out of it real quick. 172 00:17:33,280 --> 00:17:37,240 » Yeah. Seriously. 173 00:17:39,919 --> 00:17:45,679 » All right. So, do you present this to them? 174 00:17:43,360 --> 00:17:50,400 » Um, it wouldn't be us, I believe. >> Who does this go to from here? 175 00:17:48,799 --> 00:17:57,039 I can talk with Nate. I'm sure that these would maybe go back to from uh 176 00:17:54,320 --> 00:18:03,280 community development and then they would bring these revisions um to their 177 00:18:00,559 --> 00:18:07,640 team and then possibly but I'd have to double check one day. 178 00:18:08,000 --> 00:18:11,000 Okay. 179 00:18:15,440 --> 00:18:20,360 Um right. Anything else? 180 00:18:21,440 --> 00:18:24,840 » Nothing currently. 181 00:18:28,000 --> 00:18:34,240 » We'll move on. New business, public comment. 182 00:18:32,559 --> 00:18:37,440 » Anybody have anything they'd like to bring up? 183 00:18:35,919 --> 00:18:40,520 » Yeah. Anything else you guys want to bring up? 184 00:18:42,960 --> 00:18:50,320 Um, since we determined that the um the liberty tree that we were gifted is in 185 00:18:48,160 --> 00:18:54,960 fact a tulip popppler, do we have final confirmation on its final location going 186 00:18:52,880 --> 00:19:00,000 in Southside Park? >> So, they are discussing right now. I 187 00:18:57,760 --> 00:19:07,760 believe my director is going to meet with the city manager. He has a few 188 00:19:04,480 --> 00:19:14,240 locations in mind and he wanted to see which direction the city manager and I 189 00:19:11,919 --> 00:19:19,280 guess council thought would be the best location for it. Um because we do want 190 00:19:16,640 --> 00:19:24,160 it in a location obviously where um it's away from the main thorough affairs. Um 191 00:19:22,160 --> 00:19:27,840 it's mainly just foot traffic because it has to be protected especially as a 192 00:19:25,679 --> 00:19:33,280 young sapling. >> Yeah. So work and thrive. Um, no 193 00:19:31,039 --> 00:19:39,280 definitive location has been determined yet, but those conversations are are 194 00:19:35,679 --> 00:19:42,799 ongoing right now. >> All right. 195 00:19:40,240 --> 00:19:46,400 » It has recommendations. You can give recommendations of where 196 00:19:45,520 --> 00:19:51,760 where we want. >> I think there's limitations in our other 197 00:19:49,360 --> 00:19:56,160 parts as we've discussed because there's still there's current over story there. 198 00:19:55,280 --> 00:20:01,360 So that's >> not only that, tulip poppplers don't do 199 00:19:58,240 --> 00:20:05,880 well with salt water or salt in general. >> So it's got to go away from 200 00:20:07,120 --> 00:20:12,960 » a lot of stuff. >> Yeah. 201 00:20:10,160 --> 00:20:19,600 Okay. >> All right. So currently, you know, the 202 00:20:16,080 --> 00:20:23,760 plan is to look at Site Park and they got some great spaces. 203 00:20:21,840 --> 00:20:27,280 » Well, that's the thing. right now. It's easier now, too, because it's still in 204 00:20:25,280 --> 00:20:33,200 development. So, they're still coming up with a design for phase 2. So, it would 205 00:20:30,480 --> 00:20:39,679 be easier to implement something like that now while that's ongoing. Um, but 206 00:20:36,320 --> 00:20:46,240 also trying to determine some other backup locations if Southside Park was 207 00:20:42,640 --> 00:20:52,679 deemed fail. It's too bad that it's there's not room for it on the city on 208 00:20:49,120 --> 00:20:52,679 the tree walk. 209 00:21:06,400 --> 00:21:16,480 » Okay. Anything else? The community that >> No. So, uh, the recommendations, I 210 00:21:14,159 --> 00:21:21,919 believe we're going to submit the recommendations to 211 00:21:19,919 --> 00:21:28,000 Nate and then send them to the city manager um, as we wrote them down and I 212 00:21:25,840 --> 00:21:31,440 will send it out to you guys first and confirm that 213 00:21:30,080 --> 00:21:36,000 everything on there was what we recommended because we had our pros and 214 00:21:33,679 --> 00:21:42,000 cons. So, I think we'll do it kind of like like that. 215 00:21:39,039 --> 00:21:49,880 I was riding in Charleston on Magnolia Rock where the triangle is between 61 216 00:21:46,080 --> 00:21:49,880 and 17. 217 00:21:50,559 --> 00:21:56,640 » It was pretty old, >> but it is fenced in 218 00:21:55,600 --> 00:22:02,159 Magnolia. >> Oh, I know where it is, right? Yeah. It 219 00:21:58,880 --> 00:22:04,640 used to be real rural in that direction. basically. 220 00:22:03,360 --> 00:22:09,760 » Well, I know there's a couple of schools that have approached me and they are 221 00:22:07,919 --> 00:22:12,720 interested in having a community garden at Southside 222 00:22:12,080 --> 00:22:13,760 » schools. >> Yes. 223 00:22:13,280 --> 00:22:19,120 » Nice. >> So, there's a couple of them that want 224 00:22:16,400 --> 00:22:23,679 to use it for educational purposes. Um, so that's a possibility moving forward. 225 00:22:21,919 --> 00:22:27,120 I know that we talked about having some of it being educational if it was going 226 00:22:25,440 --> 00:22:33,600 to move in more of a traditional ornamental bed versus the home garden 227 00:22:30,480 --> 00:22:37,280 with your vegetables stock. But um that's something that we'll we'll get to 228 00:22:35,840 --> 00:22:40,720 you guys. You guys can confirm because it was already approved and voted on. I 229 00:22:39,280 --> 00:22:47,240 just want to make sure that everything that we talk about is in there and send 230 00:22:42,720 --> 00:22:47,240 it then that will be sent to the city. 231 00:22:49,919 --> 00:22:58,880 I had I had heard a conversation a a couple years ago. 232 00:22:57,280 --> 00:23:04,640 Um two guys were from the same area in 233 00:23:02,080 --> 00:23:09,760 Illinois. I couldn't tell you the name of the small towns to save my life. But 234 00:23:07,280 --> 00:23:12,480 one they were talking back and forth because they were 235 00:23:11,120 --> 00:23:18,080 from the same area. They had just met each other. And um one of the guys said 236 00:23:15,760 --> 00:23:22,640 that one of the the the one town chose not to grow 237 00:23:20,240 --> 00:23:27,520 and I was like well what does that mean? And then so and is he is that the truth? 238 00:23:25,280 --> 00:23:31,039 And then so I Google I actually asked him for the town because I forgot the 239 00:23:28,880 --> 00:23:36,559 name of it. So then I I Googled the town. I had my curiosity. So you know 240 00:23:33,760 --> 00:23:41,200 growth and development is a hot topic and of course I I forgot the town again. 241 00:23:39,120 --> 00:23:44,880 So, I didn't discover anything by googling what he was talking about. 242 00:23:43,440 --> 00:23:51,919 Maybe I should call him up and ask him, but it's in another state. So, 243 00:23:48,960 --> 00:23:56,480 the some of this some of these number of buildings going up in on, you know, one 244 00:23:54,480 --> 00:24:01,679 piece of land. Um, 245 00:23:58,159 --> 00:24:05,919 it it it looks out of place. I don't I think the planning commission put in 246 00:24:03,039 --> 00:24:10,000 hours and hours and hours dissecting that. So, if they if they good with 247 00:24:07,679 --> 00:24:14,480 everything, I'm not saying we should do anything. I'm just, you know, we we just 248 00:24:12,559 --> 00:24:21,279 got done tuck doing the trees with Mike's u suggestion. And 249 00:24:19,200 --> 00:24:25,200 one the one comes to mind is that one called Point Grand. So, that that's 14 250 00:24:23,600 --> 00:24:30,400 buildings unless they changed it, but they're they sprouting up. And if I live 251 00:24:28,640 --> 00:24:33,919 next to that, I mean, I would I wouldn't want to be living there. And some of 252 00:24:32,480 --> 00:24:38,480 those people probably moving. I don't know. But that's just um 253 00:24:36,640 --> 00:24:44,400 14 14 buildings would be like a size of land similar to Southside Park. Um I 254 00:24:42,400 --> 00:24:49,200 don't know how you stop that. Um I mean the planning commission probably looked 255 00:24:46,799 --> 00:24:54,080 at everything from every which way. So yeah. 256 00:24:51,760 --> 00:24:59,360 » Sorry developmental codes and everything have 257 00:24:55,760 --> 00:25:04,880 to be hand in hand. All entities have to be handed or a common vision. Um 258 00:25:03,520 --> 00:25:09,919 sometimes in certain places it's important to to get everybody on the 259 00:25:07,039 --> 00:25:14,720 same page but there's a lot of work and detail that goes into that and our 260 00:25:12,640 --> 00:25:19,600 planning department work hard and try to make it a little bit stricter especially 261 00:25:16,880 --> 00:25:25,440 when it comes to tree care and landscaping to help us out. So I know 262 00:25:23,360 --> 00:25:29,679 that but like I said everything's kind of got align for everything to be 263 00:25:28,400 --> 00:25:33,039 cohesive with each other. >> Yeah. And that is much appreciated. You 264 00:25:31,440 --> 00:25:36,880 know, you've got developers that come in here and they just want to come in and 265 00:25:34,720 --> 00:25:43,520 clear cut because that's the cheapest direction that they can have to, you 266 00:25:41,360 --> 00:25:48,880 know, do their projects than just starting from scratch and 267 00:25:45,520 --> 00:25:53,760 start with tuning out trees taking down. 268 00:25:51,919 --> 00:25:58,159 » Well, in part of that like in the first line here where it talks about the 269 00:25:56,320 --> 00:26:02,320 sustainable tree canopy, well, how do we even know what the tree canopy is? We 270 00:25:59,840 --> 00:26:06,400 don't have one of those massive tree survey things done. 271 00:26:04,080 --> 00:26:09,440 » Well, actually, after a year and a half of emailing them, they responded back to 272 00:26:08,240 --> 00:26:16,080 me finally. >> Um, so it was last Friday or Thursday, 273 00:26:13,840 --> 00:26:22,480 um, I emailed them back and said that we would like pricing on what um, grants 274 00:26:19,919 --> 00:26:27,760 were available to assist um, with the budget. And so they're working on right 275 00:26:24,640 --> 00:26:32,559 now trying to get be some some pricing depending on which direction we try to 276 00:26:30,000 --> 00:26:36,880 go. So it took a year and a half, but they finally responded that. So 277 00:26:35,120 --> 00:26:40,640 hopefully within the next couple of weeks or so, I'll have some information 278 00:26:38,720 --> 00:26:45,760 to at least look at it and see the ballpark of what it would cost and what 279 00:26:43,200 --> 00:26:51,120 the scope of work would be. >> It is not a small task. 280 00:26:48,960 --> 00:26:56,679 » Not a small task. And I suspect it's going to be extremely extensive. Yes. 281 00:27:02,080 --> 00:27:10,480 » I see like what happened over at Lowe's and I'm like a ghast. I know everybody 282 00:27:07,679 --> 00:27:15,039 who sees that is a guest. They they do the Buer County does have of course they 283 00:27:13,440 --> 00:27:18,159 haven't completed a whole bunch of pathways that 284 00:27:16,720 --> 00:27:22,080 they have plans but they do have a pathway on the east side of that road 285 00:27:20,000 --> 00:27:29,279 Burton Hill Road which is the same side as Point Grand. They got the pathway 286 00:27:24,799 --> 00:27:34,000 plan going from Old Salem to actually goes from Old Salem all the way up to 287 00:27:32,320 --> 00:27:36,720 past public works. >> It's called Broad Boulevard. Yeah, 288 00:27:35,520 --> 00:27:40,400 that's right. >> On the east side of the road. That's 289 00:27:38,080 --> 00:27:46,200 That's kind of interesting. That That would help with uh transportation and 290 00:27:43,200 --> 00:27:46,200 exercise. 291 00:27:46,799 --> 00:27:51,679 » I mean, it's like a greenway path. >> Well, no. They're going to pave it. 292 00:27:50,480 --> 00:27:55,039 Well, yeah. I guess you could call whatever you want to call it. It's a 293 00:27:52,720 --> 00:27:57,600 pave path. I'm sure it's not >> not right beside the the road. Not 294 00:27:57,120 --> 00:28:00,320 right. >> It's on the It's probably in the 295 00:27:58,720 --> 00:28:07,840 rightway. It's in the east side of the road. Um same side as Point Granite. So 296 00:28:05,520 --> 00:28:11,840 Burton Wells is not in the city limits though, right? Burton Wales. 297 00:28:09,840 --> 00:28:14,320 » No, Burton Wells, >> right? 298 00:28:12,240 --> 00:28:18,799 » I said Burton Hill Road. >> That's where public works. Okay. 299 00:28:16,880 --> 00:28:22,200 » Lo sits on road, >> right? Okay. 300 00:28:26,960 --> 00:28:33,360 » That's where we hide. >> I've dropped a few. I've dropped a few 301 00:28:30,880 --> 00:28:38,240 band. Hey y'all. Um, I'm sorry, but I'm gonna 302 00:28:35,520 --> 00:28:40,000 have to I'm gonna have to jump off now. >> All right. Thank you for attending, 303 00:28:39,360 --> 00:28:43,200 Michael. >> Thank you. 304 00:28:40,960 --> 00:28:48,559 » Hey, thank you. Appreciate it. See you guys. See you guys soon. 305 00:28:45,520 --> 00:28:54,480 » Right. We're, you know, that's all we have. Um, I'm going to throw this out 306 00:28:51,120 --> 00:29:00,399 here for y'all. you down that any any chance that we can meet at 3:15 instead 307 00:28:57,360 --> 00:29:07,039 of 3:00 and I can make 3:00 work but that's when my school lets out and 308 00:29:04,640 --> 00:29:11,840 I mean I'm literally I'm not far >> um and it may be just I show up a little 309 00:29:09,279 --> 00:29:15,200 bit late but um I don't have a problem like that 310 00:29:12,240 --> 00:29:17,440 » I'd have to talk with Tracy >> and see if there's any 311 00:29:16,720 --> 00:29:20,240 » conflict >> conflicts or reason why it has to be 312 00:29:19,360 --> 00:29:24,480 exactly >> I and I totally get it if that's the 313 00:29:22,159 --> 00:29:27,360 case. Um because it's once a month and I can make allowances, but I just I 314 00:29:26,480 --> 00:29:33,039 thought I would ask. >> No, I I'll I'll definitely look into 315 00:29:29,120 --> 00:29:35,039 I'll talk to Tracy about that. >> Okay. 316 00:29:33,840 --> 00:29:41,600 » You never know. They moved us into a bigger conference room. 317 00:29:37,279 --> 00:29:48,559 » It's a big crowd. We'll get next. >> I'll definitely I'll write that down. 318 00:29:45,039 --> 00:29:53,159 » Okay. Is that it? All right. Meeting me with a jerk.