1 00:00:00,000 --> 00:00:02,000 Heat. Hey, Heat. 2 00:00:02,000 --> 00:00:53,280 [Music] 3 00:00:53,280 --> 00:00:55,440 Heat. Heat. 4 00:00:55,440 --> 00:01:26,410 [Music] 5 00:01:26,410 --> 00:01:32,190 [Applause] 6 00:01:32,200 --> 00:01:39,830 [Music] 7 00:01:39,840 --> 00:01:42,880 Heat. Heat. N. 8 00:01:42,890 --> 00:02:01,840 [Music] 9 00:02:01,840 --> 00:02:03,450 Heat. Heat. 10 00:02:03,450 --> 00:03:19,920 [Music] 11 00:03:19,920 --> 00:03:21,680 I'd like to call orders. Connecticut 12 00:03:21,680 --> 00:03:24,239 council committee meeting for Monday, 13 00:03:24,239 --> 00:03:28,390 August 18th, 2025. 14 00:03:28,400 --> 00:03:30,080 And the first committee is public 15 00:03:30,080 --> 00:03:30,879 safety. 16 00:03:30,879 --> 00:03:32,239 >> So, I'd like to call to order the public 17 00:03:32,239 --> 00:03:34,080 safety committee. We have four items on 18 00:03:34,080 --> 00:03:35,920 the agenda tonight. First of which is 19 00:03:35,920 --> 00:03:39,440 the grant award for GTSC child passenger 20 00:03:39,440 --> 00:03:53,430 safety program. 21 00:03:53,440 --> 00:03:55,280 All right. Good evening, Lieutenant 22 00:03:55,280 --> 00:03:59,120 Scott Police Department. Um, sorry, I'm 23 00:03:59,120 --> 00:04:02,720 taking up some of your space here. 24 00:04:02,720 --> 00:04:05,200 >> Just trying to organize my paper here. 25 00:04:05,200 --> 00:04:09,680 >> All right. So, uh, the first item up is 26 00:04:09,680 --> 00:04:12,400 a grant award for the Governor Traffic 27 00:04:12,400 --> 00:04:14,720 Safety Committee for the Child Passenger 28 00:04:14,720 --> 00:04:16,880 Safety Program. 29 00:04:16,880 --> 00:04:18,160 The police department has been awarded 30 00:04:18,160 --> 00:04:20,560 $6,200 uh in state funding to 31 00:04:20,560 --> 00:04:23,120 participate participate in the uh 32 00:04:23,120 --> 00:04:25,520 statewide child passenger safety 33 00:04:25,520 --> 00:04:27,759 program. Uh it's an initiative focused 34 00:04:27,759 --> 00:04:29,600 to ensure that children are transported 35 00:04:29,600 --> 00:04:31,919 safely in vehicles. In short, money is 36 00:04:31,919 --> 00:04:33,600 going to be used to promote the proper 37 00:04:33,600 --> 00:04:37,440 use of car seats. Um help people install 38 00:04:37,440 --> 00:04:39,440 them, put on events for free 39 00:04:39,440 --> 00:04:42,080 installations, provide car seats, uh 40 00:04:42,080 --> 00:04:45,280 education, things of that nature. Um 41 00:04:45,280 --> 00:04:48,639 again money comes from the GTSC in 42 00:04:48,639 --> 00:04:50,479 partnership with uh Department of Motor 43 00:04:50,479 --> 00:04:52,479 Vehicles and there is no match from the 44 00:04:52,479 --> 00:04:53,600 city. 45 00:04:53,600 --> 00:04:55,600 >> Thank you. Any question or comments 46 00:04:55,600 --> 00:04:57,199 here? 47 00:04:57,199 --> 00:04:58,720 >> Um so we talked about this a little bit 48 00:04:58,720 --> 00:05:00,560 at the committee at the legislative 49 00:05:00,560 --> 00:05:02,639 conference. So right now we don't have 50 00:05:02,639 --> 00:05:04,960 any seats to buy. We have some left 51 00:05:04,960 --> 00:05:06,639 over. You want to just talk about 52 00:05:06,639 --> 00:05:08,800 >> correct? So this is the first time we're 53 00:05:08,800 --> 00:05:10,400 actually as a police department getting 54 00:05:10,400 --> 00:05:12,639 this grant. Um, we were in partnership 55 00:05:12,639 --> 00:05:15,840 with uh another organization that 56 00:05:15,840 --> 00:05:17,520 received it for us. So, we still have 57 00:05:17,520 --> 00:05:20,000 some a trailer full of well, it was full 58 00:05:20,000 --> 00:05:22,639 of car seats. Um, I don't know exactly 59 00:05:22,639 --> 00:05:23,840 how many car seats this is going to 60 00:05:23,840 --> 00:05:25,759 purchase. I know they give them to us at 61 00:05:25,759 --> 00:05:28,080 a discounted rate, so we'll have plenty. 62 00:05:28,080 --> 00:05:30,560 We haven't ran out in the 3 years that 63 00:05:30,560 --> 00:05:34,240 I've known about it. So, um, ultimately 64 00:05:34,240 --> 00:05:36,080 what we're going to do is that money is 65 00:05:36,080 --> 00:05:39,360 going to go mostly towards events. um 66 00:05:39,360 --> 00:05:41,039 we'll kind of piggyback some of the 67 00:05:41,039 --> 00:05:44,080 citywide events that are happening uh 68 00:05:44,080 --> 00:05:47,520 set up a tenant, offer our services, 69 00:05:47,520 --> 00:05:50,720 what have you. So 70 00:05:50,720 --> 00:05:53,039 this is okay. So this sounds like an 71 00:05:53,039 --> 00:05:54,320 amazing thing here. I just quick 72 00:05:54,320 --> 00:05:57,120 question. I don't know if this is the 73 00:05:57,120 --> 00:05:59,120 appropriate uh way to communicate some 74 00:05:59,120 --> 00:06:00,800 of this, but I I have seen and this is 75 00:06:00,800 --> 00:06:02,320 just online. I don't think that we've 76 00:06:02,320 --> 00:06:04,639 had this issue here locally, but like 77 00:06:04,639 --> 00:06:07,600 where parents are in the hustle bustle 78 00:06:07,600 --> 00:06:10,400 thing of leaving their kids in cars. Um 79 00:06:10,400 --> 00:06:12,560 I wonder if this would be an opportunity 80 00:06:12,560 --> 00:06:14,080 where we could do some prevention work 81 00:06:14,080 --> 00:06:15,840 around those things just messaging for 82 00:06:15,840 --> 00:06:17,280 people. I don't know. But did you see 83 00:06:17,280 --> 00:06:18,720 like that something that fits in with 84 00:06:18,720 --> 00:06:19,600 this or 85 00:06:19,600 --> 00:06:21,360 >> I haven't seen the education material. 86 00:06:21,360 --> 00:06:22,639 Sorry, I didn't mean to cut you off. No, 87 00:06:22,639 --> 00:06:24,319 I haven't seen the material that comes 88 00:06:24,319 --> 00:06:28,000 with uh the education part of it. Um, 89 00:06:28,000 --> 00:06:29,680 but I can obviously talk to our traffic 90 00:06:29,680 --> 00:06:31,199 division, lieutenant sergeant, and see 91 00:06:31,199 --> 00:06:32,639 if they can incorporate that. Look at 92 00:06:32,639 --> 00:06:36,000 it. Um, obviously that's a great 93 00:06:36,000 --> 00:06:37,520 concern. I never want to see that 94 00:06:37,520 --> 00:06:38,400 happening. So, 95 00:06:38,400 --> 00:06:39,919 >> thank you, 96 00:06:39,919 --> 00:06:40,720 >> Mr. Parker. 97 00:06:40,720 --> 00:06:43,199 >> Yes. So, you said that you um um 98 00:06:43,199 --> 00:06:45,039 attached to other citywide events. Does 99 00:06:45,039 --> 00:06:46,639 the police department put on any events 100 00:06:46,639 --> 00:06:48,319 on its own just so that people can come 101 00:06:48,319 --> 00:06:49,919 there for that purpose and that purpose 102 00:06:49,919 --> 00:06:50,479 only? 103 00:06:50,479 --> 00:06:52,160 >> Since we've never had the stream before? 104 00:06:52,160 --> 00:06:52,560 No. 105 00:06:52,560 --> 00:06:54,000 >> Well, but we may. 106 00:06:54,000 --> 00:06:56,160 >> But you had car seats before. So, how 107 00:06:56,160 --> 00:06:58,400 was that communicated to the public? 108 00:06:58,400 --> 00:07:00,160 >> Most to be honest, most of the time it 109 00:07:00,160 --> 00:07:02,000 was uh the hospitals were in contact 110 00:07:02,000 --> 00:07:04,880 with us. We hadn't uh the the program 111 00:07:04,880 --> 00:07:06,639 hadn't been very well established. We 112 00:07:06,639 --> 00:07:09,360 had some certified installers. Um but 113 00:07:09,360 --> 00:07:10,639 most of the time it was just people 114 00:07:10,639 --> 00:07:12,000 reaching out to us most of the time 115 00:07:12,000 --> 00:07:14,080 through hospitals. uh they're letting us 116 00:07:14,080 --> 00:07:16,160 know, you know, they have an individual 117 00:07:16,160 --> 00:07:18,400 who just had a baby, they're in need, or 118 00:07:18,400 --> 00:07:21,280 people are contacting us preemptively, 119 00:07:21,280 --> 00:07:23,360 like their due date is not too far away 120 00:07:23,360 --> 00:07:24,479 and they're going to need a car seat 121 00:07:24,479 --> 00:07:28,720 installed. Um so, prior to this, I'm not 122 00:07:28,720 --> 00:07:30,960 aware that we had any events, but it's a 123 00:07:30,960 --> 00:07:32,240 good recommendation for the traffic 124 00:07:32,240 --> 00:07:33,520 division and I will certainly get back 125 00:07:33,520 --> 00:07:34,479 to them on that. 126 00:07:34,479 --> 00:07:36,479 >> I forgot a trailer on the phone. 127 00:07:36,479 --> 00:07:37,440 >> Yeah. 128 00:07:37,440 --> 00:07:38,000 >> Thank you. 129 00:07:38,000 --> 00:07:39,840 >> Of course. Any other questions or 130 00:07:39,840 --> 00:07:41,759 comments? Uh hearing none, I may have a 131 00:07:41,759 --> 00:07:42,880 motion. So moved. 132 00:07:42,880 --> 00:07:45,360 >> I'll second. All those in favor? I 133 00:07:45,360 --> 00:07:48,240 >> uh the second item is a DHS tactical 134 00:07:48,240 --> 00:07:55,270 team grant program. 135 00:07:55,280 --> 00:07:59,360 » All right. Uh excuse me. The second 136 00:07:59,360 --> 00:08:01,440 grant that the city of Connecticut 137 00:08:01,440 --> 00:08:03,199 Police Department has been awarded is a 138 00:08:03,199 --> 00:08:04,720 $75,000 139 00:08:04,720 --> 00:08:07,919 federal grant through uh Department of 140 00:08:07,919 --> 00:08:11,360 Homeland Security. Um, this money is 141 00:08:11,360 --> 00:08:13,759 provided to help improve and develop uh 142 00:08:13,759 --> 00:08:16,000 tactical teams throughout the area for 143 00:08:16,000 --> 00:08:17,759 the purchase of equipment and anything 144 00:08:17,759 --> 00:08:20,319 that uh kind of helps support their 145 00:08:20,319 --> 00:08:22,560 needs towards uh counterterrorism 146 00:08:22,560 --> 00:08:24,960 efforts. This is the second year in a 147 00:08:24,960 --> 00:08:26,800 row we've been awarded this. There's 148 00:08:26,800 --> 00:08:29,280 lots of criteria that goes into meeting 149 00:08:29,280 --> 00:08:32,159 the standards to qualify for this um 150 00:08:32,159 --> 00:08:35,039 which our current commander has gone to 151 00:08:35,039 --> 00:08:37,440 great lengths and spent countless hours 152 00:08:37,440 --> 00:08:40,240 um ensuring that we are in compliance 153 00:08:40,240 --> 00:08:43,680 and meeting the standards. So um there's 154 00:08:43,680 --> 00:08:47,440 a lot on that end. So this is a uh it's 155 00:08:47,440 --> 00:08:49,600 for lack of a better term on the back 156 00:08:49,600 --> 00:08:51,360 end to uh be able to purchase new 157 00:08:51,360 --> 00:08:52,320 equipment. 158 00:08:52,320 --> 00:08:53,040 >> Sure. 159 00:08:53,040 --> 00:08:54,800 >> Thank you. Uh, Mr. Bill, 160 00:08:54,800 --> 00:08:56,959 >> you said that um this is for tactical 161 00:08:56,959 --> 00:08:59,200 teams throughout the area. Is sketch 162 00:08:59,200 --> 00:09:00,320 this only going to be for the city of 163 00:09:00,320 --> 00:09:01,839 Skenkity? The 164 00:09:01,839 --> 00:09:03,440 >> actual $75,000 165 00:09:03,440 --> 00:09:05,200 >> to use only within the city. 166 00:09:05,200 --> 00:09:06,000 >> Correct. 167 00:09:06,000 --> 00:09:07,200 >> Thank you. 168 00:09:07,200 --> 00:09:09,279 >> Any other questions or comments? Hearing 169 00:09:09,279 --> 00:09:10,640 seeing none, I have a motion. 170 00:09:10,640 --> 00:09:11,279 >> So move. 171 00:09:11,279 --> 00:09:12,959 >> I will second. All those in favor? 172 00:09:12,959 --> 00:09:15,680 >> I The next item is the explosive 173 00:09:15,680 --> 00:09:23,030 detection K19 grant program. 174 00:09:23,040 --> 00:09:25,120 All right. 175 00:09:25,120 --> 00:09:26,880 This is also another Department of 176 00:09:26,880 --> 00:09:28,800 Homeland Security grant. Uh we've been 177 00:09:28,800 --> 00:09:33,839 awarded $32,000 in federal funding uh to 178 00:09:33,839 --> 00:09:36,880 obtain an explosive detection K9 uh 179 00:09:36,880 --> 00:09:38,320 excuse me, it's for an explosive 180 00:09:38,320 --> 00:09:42,320 detection K9 team. Uh so with this 181 00:09:42,320 --> 00:09:44,800 money, we'll be able to obtain uh 182 00:09:44,800 --> 00:09:48,560 purchase an explosive uh detection K9, 183 00:09:48,560 --> 00:09:51,200 train them. Uh the other money is going 184 00:09:51,200 --> 00:09:57,519 towards um training tools and um any of 185 00:09:57,519 --> 00:09:59,920 the uh material needs for the dog, 186 00:09:59,920 --> 00:10:03,680 collars, harnesses, all those things. Uh 187 00:10:03,680 --> 00:10:04,959 some of the money is also going to go 188 00:10:04,959 --> 00:10:07,440 towards back filling for overtime, I 189 00:10:07,440 --> 00:10:10,160 believe. I have to look. Um 190 00:10:10,160 --> 00:10:12,720 >> just to cover the officer while they're 191 00:10:12,720 --> 00:10:16,720 away or so have you. Um, 192 00:10:16,720 --> 00:10:18,800 we currently don't have an explosive 193 00:10:18,800 --> 00:10:21,760 detection K9. Um, we only have a drug 194 00:10:21,760 --> 00:10:26,480 K9. So, one of the benefits of this dog 195 00:10:26,480 --> 00:10:29,760 is um there's a lot of public safety 196 00:10:29,760 --> 00:10:32,320 surrounding it. They not only detect 197 00:10:32,320 --> 00:10:35,839 explosives, but also guns. Um, they're 198 00:10:35,839 --> 00:10:37,600 going to be trained in tracking. So, if 199 00:10:37,600 --> 00:10:38,959 people flee from us that we're looking 200 00:10:38,959 --> 00:10:41,040 for or someone committed burglary, what 201 00:10:41,040 --> 00:10:43,600 have you, um, and they run, we can use 202 00:10:43,600 --> 00:10:48,079 the dog. They're a great tool. They uh 203 00:10:48,079 --> 00:10:50,880 in partnership I know with the Skeny 204 00:10:50,880 --> 00:10:53,600 County who has these dogs, they do 205 00:10:53,600 --> 00:10:56,399 sweeps around all the major events prior 206 00:10:56,399 --> 00:10:58,240 to the event, during the event and so 207 00:10:58,240 --> 00:11:01,920 have you. Um looking for any bombs that 208 00:11:01,920 --> 00:11:04,800 have been placed prior to so there's a 209 00:11:04,800 --> 00:11:08,079 lot of benefits to having a K9. 210 00:11:08,079 --> 00:11:10,880 >> Thank you. Any question or comments? I 211 00:11:10,880 --> 00:11:12,240 just want to point out that he did uh 212 00:11:12,240 --> 00:11:14,800 the uh he said that the um overtime was 213 00:11:14,800 --> 00:11:16,160 in there so it is listed there's a 214 00:11:16,160 --> 00:11:18,640 budget attached so we see that they did 215 00:11:18,640 --> 00:11:20,240 give us that. Thank you. 216 00:11:20,240 --> 00:11:22,000 >> Thank you. Uh any other questions or 217 00:11:22,000 --> 00:11:24,240 comments? where where would you would 218 00:11:24,240 --> 00:11:26,160 you purchase the K9 and what's the 219 00:11:26,160 --> 00:11:29,680 typical training time where the uh the 220 00:11:29,680 --> 00:11:34,240 K9 is can be um assigned to the first 221 00:11:34,240 --> 00:11:35,120 question where 222 00:11:35,120 --> 00:11:38,560 >> yeah so there's multiple uh like 223 00:11:38,560 --> 00:11:40,399 organizations breeders if you will 224 00:11:40,399 --> 00:11:42,640 around the country for the most part 225 00:11:42,640 --> 00:11:45,360 that do this it's all about timing so 226 00:11:45,360 --> 00:11:48,079 you kind of find who has one when you're 227 00:11:48,079 --> 00:11:51,040 available to purchase um I know they I 228 00:11:51,040 --> 00:11:52,880 believe they have one lined up and with 229 00:11:52,880 --> 00:11:56,079 a backup uh just in case things fall 230 00:11:56,079 --> 00:11:57,600 through. But they have to catch the dog 231 00:11:57,600 --> 00:11:59,360 at the right age um in the right point 232 00:11:59,360 --> 00:12:04,079 of their life. The training for it um 233 00:12:04,079 --> 00:12:06,800 I don't quote me on this, but I believe 234 00:12:06,800 --> 00:12:09,600 it's 6 months and it's I believe the 235 00:12:09,600 --> 00:12:11,680 state police hosts it. So, it's a pretty 236 00:12:11,680 --> 00:12:12,880 intensive training. 237 00:12:12,880 --> 00:12:13,760 >> Thank you. 238 00:12:13,760 --> 00:12:15,360 Any other questions or 239 00:12:15,360 --> 00:12:17,680 comments? Hear not. I have a motion. 240 00:12:17,680 --> 00:12:18,560 >> I move it. 241 00:12:18,560 --> 00:12:20,240 >> Second. All those in favor? 242 00:12:20,240 --> 00:12:22,560 >> I. And the last agenda item is going to 243 00:12:22,560 --> 00:12:24,240 be an update by the Civilian Police 244 00:12:24,240 --> 00:12:35,750 Review Board. 245 00:12:35,760 --> 00:12:37,920 » Denine Palmir, 246 00:12:37,920 --> 00:12:41,360 chair of the Skenctity CPRB. First up, I 247 00:12:41,360 --> 00:12:43,839 guess we are to talk about the cases 248 00:12:43,839 --> 00:12:45,920 that have been reviewed. I put the cases 249 00:12:45,920 --> 00:12:47,360 in the whole listing on everybody's 250 00:12:47,360 --> 00:12:49,200 chair. That way, you would have them. To 251 00:12:49,200 --> 00:12:50,880 date, there's been eight cases that have 252 00:12:50,880 --> 00:12:52,160 been reviewed. This is only through 253 00:12:52,160 --> 00:12:56,240 June. I did not do July or August, but 254 00:12:56,240 --> 00:12:58,480 I'm not that far ahead of things, but 255 00:12:58,480 --> 00:13:00,000 January through June. There are eight 256 00:13:00,000 --> 00:13:02,959 cases reviewed, 10 violations. 257 00:13:02,959 --> 00:13:05,760 Um, four policy, three procedure, one 258 00:13:05,760 --> 00:13:08,000 use of force, two discourtesy. I think 259 00:13:08,000 --> 00:13:09,839 the important thing to realize here and 260 00:13:09,839 --> 00:13:12,800 to note is that although they there 261 00:13:12,800 --> 00:13:14,720 weren't complaints, there were two other 262 00:13:14,720 --> 00:13:17,120 sustained policy violations that once 263 00:13:17,120 --> 00:13:19,920 the officers had reviewed um OPS had 264 00:13:19,920 --> 00:13:21,600 reviewed the case and the camera 265 00:13:21,600 --> 00:13:23,279 footage, they found two policy 266 00:13:23,279 --> 00:13:25,279 violations which they then brought 267 00:13:25,279 --> 00:13:27,279 against the police officers. Um and 268 00:13:27,279 --> 00:13:28,959 there was one other sustained policy 269 00:13:28,959 --> 00:13:32,870 violation. 270 00:13:32,880 --> 00:13:34,240 I know you haven't had time to review 271 00:13:34,240 --> 00:13:35,760 those, but if you have any questions, 272 00:13:35,760 --> 00:13:45,990 I'm open to answering them. 273 00:13:46,000 --> 00:13:47,519 » Oh, sorry. 274 00:13:47,519 --> 00:13:49,920 >> It's okay. So, I know that there was 275 00:13:49,920 --> 00:13:52,079 some concerns about having a quorum. So, 276 00:13:52,079 --> 00:13:54,079 have you missed any meetings in time 277 00:13:54,079 --> 00:13:56,079 frame? Um, since we've been in the air, 278 00:13:56,079 --> 00:13:57,760 you're not able to make the quum. 279 00:13:57,760 --> 00:14:00,160 >> We have not. it we have not but it is 280 00:14:00,160 --> 00:14:01,839 part of the ordinance discussion that we 281 00:14:01,839 --> 00:14:03,760 would like to change in the proposed 282 00:14:03,760 --> 00:14:06,480 ordinance at one point because currently 283 00:14:06,480 --> 00:14:07,920 the way the ordinance is written there 284 00:14:07,920 --> 00:14:10,639 are supposed to be nine members um and 285 00:14:10,639 --> 00:14:12,560 regardless of the amount of members 286 00:14:12,560 --> 00:14:14,240 there's still a quorum of five 287 00:14:14,240 --> 00:14:16,320 >> which is sometimes problematic currently 288 00:14:16,320 --> 00:14:17,920 we have seven members but one of them is 289 00:14:17,920 --> 00:14:20,560 a holdover right we have an opening um 290 00:14:20,560 --> 00:14:24,800 the NAACP has an opening and sun turned 291 00:14:24,800 --> 00:14:26,160 in their membership and we're waiting 292 00:14:26,160 --> 00:14:28,160 for someone from the city to be 293 00:14:28,160 --> 00:14:29,040 appointed 294 00:14:29,040 --> 00:14:31,680 Um, the NAACP's nominee did not come 295 00:14:31,680 --> 00:14:33,120 through because they did not reside in 296 00:14:33,120 --> 00:14:34,560 the city of Skenctity, which is part of 297 00:14:34,560 --> 00:14:35,920 the ordinance. 298 00:14:35,920 --> 00:14:37,360 >> It didn't go through from the mayor's 299 00:14:37,360 --> 00:14:37,600 office. 300 00:14:37,600 --> 00:14:40,079 >> It did not, but part of our ordinance is 301 00:14:40,079 --> 00:14:42,079 that they must live within the city 302 00:14:42,079 --> 00:14:42,880 limits. 303 00:14:42,880 --> 00:14:43,279 >> Mhm. 304 00:14:43,279 --> 00:14:44,880 >> So, 305 00:14:44,880 --> 00:14:47,040 >> thank you. Uh, Miss Mayor, 306 00:14:47,040 --> 00:14:48,959 >> so you said 307 00:14:48,959 --> 00:14:51,360 the quorum is still the quorum is still 308 00:14:51,360 --> 00:14:53,519 five um regardless of whether you hit 309 00:14:53,519 --> 00:14:55,040 the nine is what you're saying. Yes. 310 00:14:55,040 --> 00:14:55,760 Okay. I just want 311 00:14:55,760 --> 00:14:57,519 >> So when we have six members and 312 00:14:57,519 --> 00:14:59,279 somebody's on vacation, we're calling 313 00:14:59,279 --> 00:15:01,519 around making sure everyone will be 314 00:15:01,519 --> 00:15:02,160 there 315 00:15:02,160 --> 00:15:03,440 >> and we hold the meeting. If someone's a 316 00:15:03,440 --> 00:15:05,600 few minutes late, half hour, whatever, 317 00:15:05,600 --> 00:15:06,880 it's just it's harder. 318 00:15:06,880 --> 00:15:08,320 >> Yeah. Yeah. 319 00:15:08,320 --> 00:15:12,959 >> Because the the code calls for nine. 320 00:15:12,959 --> 00:15:13,920 >> Yeah. So 321 00:15:13,920 --> 00:15:15,680 >> Well, because the code calls the quorum 322 00:15:15,680 --> 00:15:17,760 calls for five regardless. 323 00:15:17,760 --> 00:15:19,440 >> Well, the code calls for nine. So five 324 00:15:19,440 --> 00:15:20,320 would be a quorum. 325 00:15:20,320 --> 00:15:22,639 >> Yes. 326 00:15:22,639 --> 00:15:24,880 Are you so are you we're going to talk a 327 00:15:24,880 --> 00:15:25,360 little bit more? 328 00:15:25,360 --> 00:15:26,560 >> Yeah, if you want something else. 329 00:15:26,560 --> 00:15:28,160 >> No, I want to know if you today you're 330 00:15:28,160 --> 00:15:29,360 going to talk about trying to change 331 00:15:29,360 --> 00:15:30,560 that or is that coming a later 332 00:15:30,560 --> 00:15:31,040 discussion? 333 00:15:31,040 --> 00:15:32,480 >> Um I think that was part of the thing 334 00:15:32,480 --> 00:15:34,800 the ordinance changes that we wanted to 335 00:15:34,800 --> 00:15:36,399 also it was I think there were three 336 00:15:36,399 --> 00:15:38,160 things. What's happening? What have we 337 00:15:38,160 --> 00:15:39,920 been doing? 338 00:15:39,920 --> 00:15:42,079 Ordinance suggestions that are not being 339 00:15:42,079 --> 00:15:43,600 brought today but should just be 340 00:15:43,600 --> 00:15:47,680 discussed, right? Is that okay? So, I 341 00:15:47,680 --> 00:15:50,639 kicked it off with here's the status of 342 00:15:50,639 --> 00:15:52,959 the cases that we've reviewed. Next up, 343 00:15:52,959 --> 00:15:54,880 I had listed just a list of activities 344 00:15:54,880 --> 00:15:58,000 that the CPRB has been up to and doing. 345 00:15:58,000 --> 00:16:00,320 Um, 346 00:16:00,320 --> 00:16:02,240 it's kind of just an overview of what's 347 00:16:02,240 --> 00:16:03,920 happening with us. One of the things 348 00:16:03,920 --> 00:16:06,320 that's also January through June, um, 349 00:16:06,320 --> 00:16:08,240 I'm going to jump to what we have been 350 00:16:08,240 --> 00:16:09,440 up to because I think it's pretty 351 00:16:09,440 --> 00:16:11,360 exciting. July, January through June, we 352 00:16:11,360 --> 00:16:12,880 did a lot of work on trying to come up 353 00:16:12,880 --> 00:16:15,199 with what the CPRB what we're our goals, 354 00:16:15,199 --> 00:16:16,160 right? We're supposed to be out in the 355 00:16:16,160 --> 00:16:17,040 community. we're supposed to be doing 356 00:16:17,040 --> 00:16:18,800 this. We're supposed to be meeting the 357 00:16:18,800 --> 00:16:20,399 community where they are. And currently 358 00:16:20,399 --> 00:16:21,839 the way it was set up, we are not doing 359 00:16:21,839 --> 00:16:23,680 that, right? We're not going out. We're 360 00:16:23,680 --> 00:16:26,160 not doing this. So, first thing is how 361 00:16:26,160 --> 00:16:28,079 do we market ourselves and to the 362 00:16:28,079 --> 00:16:30,480 community? So, since then, we have had a 363 00:16:30,480 --> 00:16:32,560 logo approved by corporation council. It 364 00:16:32,560 --> 00:16:35,920 is up there uh behind you on the little 365 00:16:35,920 --> 00:16:38,000 runner that's goes with our tables and 366 00:16:38,000 --> 00:16:41,680 our tablecloths. Um we've had pens, 367 00:16:41,680 --> 00:16:43,199 magnets, we're looking at business 368 00:16:43,199 --> 00:16:46,560 cards. We now have an email address that 369 00:16:46,560 --> 00:16:49,920 is chair skenctity cprbgmail.com. 370 00:16:49,920 --> 00:16:51,759 It'll transfer all the way down to 371 00:16:51,759 --> 00:16:55,040 whoever happens to be in charge. Um just 372 00:16:55,040 --> 00:16:56,399 in case they want to file a complaint 373 00:16:56,399 --> 00:16:59,680 and do so by email 374 00:16:59,680 --> 00:17:02,320 and we're hoping to take this sort of 375 00:17:02,320 --> 00:17:04,640 show on the road. We have developed a 376 00:17:04,640 --> 00:17:07,520 PowerPoint pitch that talks about the 377 00:17:07,520 --> 00:17:10,079 organization and what we're doing uh 378 00:17:10,079 --> 00:17:11,360 that has been presented to one 379 00:17:11,360 --> 00:17:13,839 organization thus far. What I did find 380 00:17:13,839 --> 00:17:16,480 interesting and just for statistics, one 381 00:17:16,480 --> 00:17:18,559 of the things that we talk about is the 382 00:17:18,559 --> 00:17:22,079 CPRB and its role as it relates to other 383 00:17:22,079 --> 00:17:25,439 organizations and cities. One of the 384 00:17:25,439 --> 00:17:28,079 things we hear the key limitations are 385 00:17:28,079 --> 00:17:29,840 that we don't have subpoena power and a 386 00:17:29,840 --> 00:17:32,400 variety of other things. But I likened 387 00:17:32,400 --> 00:17:34,720 our size 67,000 388 00:17:34,720 --> 00:17:36,480 uh population. 389 00:17:36,480 --> 00:17:39,120 Most people compare us to the Alb CPRB, 390 00:17:39,120 --> 00:17:40,400 right? It's just it's a neighboring 391 00:17:40,400 --> 00:17:42,960 town. But Mount Vernon also has advisory 392 00:17:42,960 --> 00:17:45,600 only CPRB. Pikipsy, Bingmpington, and 393 00:17:45,600 --> 00:17:48,000 Udica have naturally no formal oversight 394 00:17:48,000 --> 00:17:49,919 board for the police review board. Just 395 00:17:49,919 --> 00:17:51,919 a statistic that I think is interesting 396 00:17:51,919 --> 00:17:54,880 when people talk about the CPRB and our 397 00:17:54,880 --> 00:17:58,390 role. 398 00:17:58,400 --> 00:17:59,919 » Any questions? 399 00:17:59,919 --> 00:18:02,080 >> And I'll just last natural point of 400 00:18:02,080 --> 00:18:03,360 discussion. Would you mind just talking 401 00:18:03,360 --> 00:18:06,000 about just references to sending members 402 00:18:06,000 --> 00:18:08,400 on consecutive years to the NOL? 403 00:18:08,400 --> 00:18:10,799 >> Right. So, we're a member of the Nquille 404 00:18:10,799 --> 00:18:13,840 by ordinance and um this year we have 405 00:18:13,840 --> 00:18:16,160 two members going to the conference. 406 00:18:16,160 --> 00:18:18,160 Last year I attended the conference and 407 00:18:18,160 --> 00:18:20,240 part of as chair what we've tried to do 408 00:18:20,240 --> 00:18:21,760 is make sure that different people have 409 00:18:21,760 --> 00:18:23,600 the opportunity to attend the conference 410 00:18:23,600 --> 00:18:25,919 for educational purposes. This year 411 00:18:25,919 --> 00:18:27,760 there's two going um that have never 412 00:18:27,760 --> 00:18:32,799 been before. Um Keith St. John 413 00:18:32,799 --> 00:18:36,789 and Harleen Andress 414 00:18:36,799 --> 00:18:40,080 are attending this year. Um, in 415 00:18:40,080 --> 00:18:41,360 addition, right, we're we're trying to 416 00:18:41,360 --> 00:18:42,559 get our marketing material up and 417 00:18:42,559 --> 00:18:43,600 running so that we can get out there 418 00:18:43,600 --> 00:18:45,679 into the community and meet people where 419 00:18:45,679 --> 00:18:48,400 they are. 420 00:18:48,400 --> 00:18:50,320 >> I just briefly looked at your um the 421 00:18:50,320 --> 00:18:52,720 brochure. So, I thought that there were 422 00:18:52,720 --> 00:18:54,880 more than I only see two places that 423 00:18:54,880 --> 00:18:56,320 with the police department, which people 424 00:18:56,320 --> 00:18:57,840 are filing against in the office of the 425 00:18:57,840 --> 00:18:59,280 mayor. There are no other places that 426 00:18:59,280 --> 00:19:01,039 people can file a complaint. 427 00:19:01,039 --> 00:19:02,880 >> Well, getting the complaint form seems 428 00:19:02,880 --> 00:19:04,559 to be difficult. Not everybody seems to 429 00:19:04,559 --> 00:19:07,520 have exact hours in their building in 430 00:19:07,520 --> 00:19:09,200 their buildings, right? So, the library 431 00:19:09,200 --> 00:19:10,720 doesn't seem to have the complaint form 432 00:19:10,720 --> 00:19:12,880 and until it is revised, which the 433 00:19:12,880 --> 00:19:14,480 revisions have been sent back to the 434 00:19:14,480 --> 00:19:15,679 police department and they're supposed 435 00:19:15,679 --> 00:19:18,480 to be doing it in Spanish as well. Um, 436 00:19:18,480 --> 00:19:20,080 those are the two locations where it's 437 00:19:20,080 --> 00:19:22,720 easiest to pick up. I mean, I supposedly 438 00:19:22,720 --> 00:19:24,000 the library is supposed to have them, 439 00:19:24,000 --> 00:19:26,720 but they don't. Um, the NAA is supposed 440 00:19:26,720 --> 00:19:28,240 to have them, but they don't. The Human 441 00:19:28,240 --> 00:19:29,280 Rights Commission is supposed to have 442 00:19:29,280 --> 00:19:31,280 them. They don't have hours, regular 443 00:19:31,280 --> 00:19:32,559 hours 444 00:19:32,559 --> 00:19:37,669 >> at the Human Rights Commission. 445 00:19:37,679 --> 00:19:40,720 » Um, so 446 00:19:40,720 --> 00:19:43,440 it seems to me that that that we should 447 00:19:43,440 --> 00:19:46,400 figure out a way where like they're even 448 00:19:46,400 --> 00:19:47,919 just there you can pick them up like the 449 00:19:47,919 --> 00:19:50,160 registration forms. You don't have to be 450 00:19:50,160 --> 00:19:52,000 like at the library when they're open 451 00:19:52,000 --> 00:19:53,039 and they're open often. 452 00:19:53,039 --> 00:19:54,960 >> They are. like you if you just pick one 453 00:19:54,960 --> 00:19:57,120 up and just locations where people can 454 00:19:57,120 --> 00:19:59,520 actually pick them up as opposed to us 455 00:19:59,520 --> 00:20:00,880 saying it has to be a certain time 456 00:20:00,880 --> 00:20:03,200 because city hall closes as well 457 00:20:03,200 --> 00:20:04,799 >> and police department doesn't they do 458 00:20:04,799 --> 00:20:08,720 have that um but so I think that we uh 459 00:20:08,720 --> 00:20:12,240 it would be probably better to expand 460 00:20:12,240 --> 00:20:14,880 where people can get them um even if if 461 00:20:14,880 --> 00:20:16,960 they go to the county building and the 462 00:20:16,960 --> 00:20:18,559 human rights commission itself isn't 463 00:20:18,559 --> 00:20:20,799 open but the county building is open 464 00:20:20,799 --> 00:20:22,160 there'd be some place so I really think 465 00:20:22,160 --> 00:20:24,000 we should expand that was I know it was 466 00:20:24,000 --> 00:20:26,559 longer than this. Um and and maybe even 467 00:20:26,559 --> 00:20:28,000 people can get it online. 468 00:20:28,000 --> 00:20:29,760 >> It was longer than that in their other 469 00:20:29,760 --> 00:20:31,760 brochure, but then we went back to the 470 00:20:31,760 --> 00:20:34,320 basics and read where they were and they 471 00:20:34,320 --> 00:20:36,240 weren't available there. So, this is 472 00:20:36,240 --> 00:20:37,840 sort of And by the way, this isn't 473 00:20:37,840 --> 00:20:39,760 really final. This is a printout that I 474 00:20:39,760 --> 00:20:42,000 did because it's changing constantly and 475 00:20:42,000 --> 00:20:43,600 I don't want to spend the city's money 476 00:20:43,600 --> 00:20:45,440 on having brochures printed that are 477 00:20:45,440 --> 00:20:47,840 constantly evolving at this point. So, 478 00:20:47,840 --> 00:20:49,679 I've been printing them out 10 or 20 at 479 00:20:49,679 --> 00:20:50,240 a time. 480 00:20:50,240 --> 00:20:52,400 >> Smart. So, I really think that we should 481 00:20:52,400 --> 00:20:53,919 consider trying to have them in more 482 00:20:53,919 --> 00:20:56,559 locations uh that quite frankly if 483 00:20:56,559 --> 00:20:58,480 people are more comfortable going as 484 00:20:58,480 --> 00:21:00,640 opposed to, you know, going to the 485 00:21:00,640 --> 00:21:02,159 police department because they're filing 486 00:21:02,159 --> 00:21:03,760 uh complaint against the police. So, 487 00:21:03,760 --> 00:21:05,280 that for some people might be a little 488 00:21:05,280 --> 00:21:05,919 intimidating. 489 00:21:05,919 --> 00:21:06,320 >> Yeah. 490 00:21:06,320 --> 00:21:07,840 >> So, if we could figure out places we 491 00:21:07,840 --> 00:21:10,640 could just have the the uh have them and 492 00:21:10,640 --> 00:21:13,120 is it possible to have them online? Do 493 00:21:13,120 --> 00:21:14,159 are they online? 494 00:21:14,159 --> 00:21:16,000 >> They are online. You can still print it 495 00:21:16,000 --> 00:21:17,600 down through the city's website and the 496 00:21:17,600 --> 00:21:21,039 CPRB's website. Um, which the team here 497 00:21:21,039 --> 00:21:22,480 has at the city has been great about 498 00:21:22,480 --> 00:21:24,559 keeping updated with all of our new 499 00:21:24,559 --> 00:21:29,280 things as they come up. Um, there's a form there. The form is being 500 00:21:29,280 --> 00:21:31,440 updated though as we speak. We were just 501 00:21:31,440 --> 00:21:32,400 doing 502 00:21:32,400 --> 00:21:35,440 >> I'm sorry. Um, Councilman, when did we 503 00:21:35,440 --> 00:21:36,799 sent it over to the chief with some 504 00:21:36,799 --> 00:21:37,440 revisions? 505 00:21:37,440 --> 00:21:38,720 >> Uh, the date. Yes. 506 00:21:38,720 --> 00:21:40,240 >> I think it was June 9th. So, we're 507 00:21:40,240 --> 00:21:42,080 waiting for those revisions and then 508 00:21:42,080 --> 00:21:43,760 it's going to be translated going to be 509 00:21:43,760 --> 00:21:46,159 translated into Spanish. 510 00:21:46,159 --> 00:21:48,080 >> Okay. And people can mail these in as 511 00:21:48,080 --> 00:21:49,760 well. So, I think we should note that as 512 00:21:49,760 --> 00:21:51,600 well because maybe that will take away 513 00:21:51,600 --> 00:21:53,679 some of that. But, um, if we could look 514 00:21:53,679 --> 00:21:56,640 at council member some ways to have in 515 00:21:56,640 --> 00:21:58,320 other locations, I think that would be 516 00:21:58,320 --> 00:21:59,919 extremely helpful. Not that we're 517 00:21:59,919 --> 00:22:01,280 getting that many complaints, but just 518 00:22:01,280 --> 00:22:03,840 broadening where people can pick up and 519 00:22:03,840 --> 00:22:04,720 then file. 520 00:22:04,720 --> 00:22:07,120 >> Absolutely. I think Miss Patrick. 521 00:22:07,120 --> 00:22:09,120 >> Well, can I just ask so for example the 522 00:22:09,120 --> 00:22:11,440 library? I mean they don't have them but 523 00:22:11,440 --> 00:22:12,960 do they not have them because the thing 524 00:22:12,960 --> 00:22:14,559 is under revision right now? Is that 525 00:22:14,559 --> 00:22:15,039 why? 526 00:22:15,039 --> 00:22:16,559 >> I I don't think they have them and we 527 00:22:16,559 --> 00:22:18,400 can talk about this in the ordinance is 528 00:22:18,400 --> 00:22:20,480 the fact that the CPRB is all volunteer 529 00:22:20,480 --> 00:22:22,480 and we've been trying to update these. 530 00:22:22,480 --> 00:22:25,120 So getting them distributed and out and 531 00:22:25,120 --> 00:22:28,400 about and updated has not been it's 532 00:22:28,400 --> 00:22:29,280 something that we're doing on our 533 00:22:29,280 --> 00:22:30,000 volunteer time. 534 00:22:30,000 --> 00:22:31,840 >> I'd be happy to help with the libraries 535 00:22:31,840 --> 00:22:34,000 if you need that. Great when you're when 536 00:22:34,000 --> 00:22:35,360 you're ready. I mean actually it would 537 00:22:35,360 --> 00:22:36,960 just be obviously the ones that are 538 00:22:36,960 --> 00:22:39,919 within the city but um unless you wanted 539 00:22:39,919 --> 00:22:42,480 them in all the nine branches but um you 540 00:22:42,480 --> 00:22:44,559 can tell me that later but I'm happy to 541 00:22:44,559 --> 00:22:45,120 drop them. 542 00:22:45,120 --> 00:22:47,120 >> I think wherever wherever we can meet 543 00:22:47,120 --> 00:22:50,400 people where they are as um you 544 00:22:50,400 --> 00:22:52,799 mentioned meeting we don't have a lot of 545 00:22:52,799 --> 00:22:54,400 complaints but is that because there 546 00:22:54,400 --> 00:22:57,200 aren't issues or because they don't know 547 00:22:57,200 --> 00:23:00,320 that we're there. Um that's, you know, 548 00:23:00,320 --> 00:23:02,080 one of the things that we're hoping that 549 00:23:02,080 --> 00:23:03,840 by getting out there and attending 550 00:23:03,840 --> 00:23:06,080 community events, they will learn that 551 00:23:06,080 --> 00:23:08,400 we're there. Um recently there was 552 00:23:08,400 --> 00:23:10,480 enough publicity that someone reached 553 00:23:10,480 --> 00:23:12,480 out to me directly to take a complaint. 554 00:23:12,480 --> 00:23:14,080 Right. We can do that and it was 555 00:23:14,080 --> 00:23:16,000 submitted to for review. 556 00:23:16,000 --> 00:23:17,600 >> Okay. 557 00:23:17,600 --> 00:23:19,280 And I would just say that that caption 558 00:23:19,280 --> 00:23:20,799 is the response of government that I 559 00:23:20,799 --> 00:23:22,240 think a lot of us around this table and 560 00:23:22,240 --> 00:23:24,480 also within the city just come to expect 561 00:23:24,480 --> 00:23:26,480 just how do we acknowledge where we are 562 00:23:26,480 --> 00:23:28,559 but also continue to improve our 563 00:23:28,559 --> 00:23:30,640 processes and I believe this is one of 564 00:23:30,640 --> 00:23:32,799 the ways that I haven't seen since I've 565 00:23:32,799 --> 00:23:34,720 been on the council and been a part of 566 00:23:34,720 --> 00:23:36,880 the CPRB. So definitely I appreciate the 567 00:23:36,880 --> 00:23:38,480 work that you and the board are 568 00:23:38,480 --> 00:23:40,559 currently doing. Um, as you mentioned, I 569 00:23:40,559 --> 00:23:42,000 think there are often references to the 570 00:23:42,000 --> 00:23:46,080 Albany uh chapter um some ballot and I 571 00:23:46,080 --> 00:23:48,240 think for some uh unsubstantiated 572 00:23:48,240 --> 00:23:50,559 reasons, but I appreciate what our city 573 00:23:50,559 --> 00:23:52,880 is doing in trying to continue to put 574 00:23:52,880 --> 00:23:55,280 forth a positive effort. Uh, and I 575 00:23:55,280 --> 00:23:56,880 believe that although our complaints may 576 00:23:56,880 --> 00:23:59,280 not fully represent where the city is, 577 00:23:59,280 --> 00:24:00,480 uh, these types of efforts, these 578 00:24:00,480 --> 00:24:02,320 community engagement opportunities, I 579 00:24:02,320 --> 00:24:03,840 think that leads some credibility to 580 00:24:03,840 --> 00:24:06,159 support some of the findings that we do 581 00:24:06,159 --> 00:24:08,720 understand and know. Um so unless there 582 00:24:08,720 --> 00:24:10,080 are any other questions. 583 00:24:10,080 --> 00:24:14,480 >> Yeah. So I just um number one um through 584 00:24:14,480 --> 00:24:17,840 referrals like so where where are the 585 00:24:17,840 --> 00:24:19,840 certifications that you are getting like 586 00:24:19,840 --> 00:24:21,360 if you could and I don't expect you to 587 00:24:21,360 --> 00:24:23,440 have this off top of head but like are 588 00:24:23,440 --> 00:24:24,640 you seeing like a lot of referrals 589 00:24:24,640 --> 00:24:27,520 coming from agencies or individuals or 590 00:24:27,520 --> 00:24:29,760 how does that work? 591 00:24:29,760 --> 00:24:32,320 >> Mainly from the individuals doing the 592 00:24:32,320 --> 00:24:34,080 report to the police department. 593 00:24:34,080 --> 00:24:34,960 >> Okay. Okay. 594 00:24:34,960 --> 00:24:37,360 >> Yeah. I mean, let me through the state 595 00:24:37,360 --> 00:24:38,880 attorney general's office, right? You 596 00:24:38,880 --> 00:24:40,880 can get a complaint there. However, 597 00:24:40,880 --> 00:24:42,480 sometimes those have to go through their 598 00:24:42,480 --> 00:24:44,720 internal processes to get to us. We 599 00:24:44,720 --> 00:24:46,880 recently just reviewed two that were a 600 00:24:46,880 --> 00:24:49,440 year old that they didn't get to us for 601 00:24:49,440 --> 00:24:50,400 a year. 602 00:24:50,400 --> 00:24:50,880 >> Okay? 603 00:24:50,880 --> 00:24:53,520 >> So, it just takes time if they file it 604 00:24:53,520 --> 00:24:54,960 because you can file a complaint with 605 00:24:54,960 --> 00:24:56,720 the attorney general's office against 606 00:24:56,720 --> 00:24:58,159 the police department and it will get to 607 00:24:58,159 --> 00:24:59,120 us. 608 00:24:59,120 --> 00:25:01,919 >> It just doesn't come as swiftly. 609 00:25:01,919 --> 00:25:05,840 So what happens when um 610 00:25:05,840 --> 00:25:07,360 someone puts forth a complaint and then 611 00:25:07,360 --> 00:25:09,039 the complaint is like founded like 612 00:25:09,039 --> 00:25:11,120 what's the next steps? 613 00:25:11,120 --> 00:25:13,120 >> So based on this we had say well we have 614 00:25:13,120 --> 00:25:14,480 a complaint there. I'll just talk to the 615 00:25:14,480 --> 00:25:15,840 one case that we had a sustained 616 00:25:15,840 --> 00:25:19,520 violation in and that officer you know 617 00:25:19,520 --> 00:25:21,039 it went through the unions and the stuff 618 00:25:21,039 --> 00:25:23,600 and he was reprimanded um ended up 619 00:25:23,600 --> 00:25:25,760 losing three vacation days based on 620 00:25:25,760 --> 00:25:28,320 policy violation. Right. still it's not 621 00:25:28,320 --> 00:25:32,880 our our place as the CPRB to implement 622 00:25:32,880 --> 00:25:36,159 the um 623 00:25:36,159 --> 00:25:37,679 change behaviors or whatever you want to 624 00:25:37,679 --> 00:25:40,799 say that um that happened but it does go 625 00:25:40,799 --> 00:25:43,600 to the council the union reps and 626 00:25:43,600 --> 00:25:47,440 everyone to come up with a particular 627 00:25:47,440 --> 00:25:48,880 punishment shall we say 628 00:25:48,880 --> 00:25:51,600 >> okay you also said that like we're often 629 00:25:51,600 --> 00:25:54,240 compared to Albany um something that you 630 00:25:54,240 --> 00:25:56,799 highlight is that Albany has subpoena in 631 00:25:56,799 --> 00:25:58,640 the power, but we don't have that. But 632 00:25:58,640 --> 00:26:02,000 there's also other uh 633 00:26:02,000 --> 00:26:04,720 comparable uh review boards that don't 634 00:26:04,720 --> 00:26:06,960 have any official oversight capacity at 635 00:26:06,960 --> 00:26:10,240 all. Um was that us not having subpoena 636 00:26:10,240 --> 00:26:11,520 power? Was that just how it was written 637 00:26:11,520 --> 00:26:14,080 when things were initiated? Is that 638 00:26:14,080 --> 00:26:15,440 something that you'd like to see change 639 00:26:15,440 --> 00:26:16,080 or 640 00:26:16,080 --> 00:26:17,679 >> So, it's interesting in the in within 641 00:26:17,679 --> 00:26:18,960 the ordinance, it talks about the 642 00:26:18,960 --> 00:26:20,559 subpoena power and says that we could 643 00:26:20,559 --> 00:26:23,039 use the city council to elicit the 644 00:26:23,039 --> 00:26:25,600 subpoena power, but it's an interesting 645 00:26:25,600 --> 00:26:27,039 contradiction because they call it a 646 00:26:27,039 --> 00:26:29,440 double blind review. And they say, but 647 00:26:29,440 --> 00:26:31,120 you should have an investigator. Well, 648 00:26:31,120 --> 00:26:32,799 if we hire an investigator, it's not a 649 00:26:32,799 --> 00:26:34,720 double blind review. So, I'm not sure 650 00:26:34,720 --> 00:26:37,200 how that works within this the way the 651 00:26:37,200 --> 00:26:39,600 ordinance is currently working. So we So 652 00:26:39,600 --> 00:26:41,440 it says in an ordinance that you do have 653 00:26:41,440 --> 00:26:42,000 subpoena. 654 00:26:42,000 --> 00:26:43,279 >> No, it says we could use the city 655 00:26:43,279 --> 00:26:44,000 council 656 00:26:44,000 --> 00:26:44,559 >> in order 657 00:26:44,559 --> 00:26:47,600 >> and then the city council could issue a 658 00:26:47,600 --> 00:26:50,480 subpoena based upon our I think that's 659 00:26:50,480 --> 00:26:51,760 the way it's written. 660 00:26:51,760 --> 00:26:54,240 >> That's true. 661 00:26:54,240 --> 00:26:55,919 >> But if it's written the way it's not our 662 00:26:55,919 --> 00:26:58,799 true function of how to So would 663 00:26:58,799 --> 00:27:01,840 >> is that something that uh the the board 664 00:27:01,840 --> 00:27:03,120 would like to have is direct? 665 00:27:03,120 --> 00:27:04,480 >> I don't I don't I don't I don't think 666 00:27:04,480 --> 00:27:06,159 that they're right currently that we're 667 00:27:06,159 --> 00:27:08,320 asking for direct subpoena power. Mhm. 668 00:27:08,320 --> 00:27:10,960 >> Um, currently I think that's could be a 669 00:27:10,960 --> 00:27:14,080 change if we see the cases 670 00:27:14,080 --> 00:27:16,000 increase and there's an issue that comes 671 00:27:16,000 --> 00:27:18,000 up, but currently that we're not seeing 672 00:27:18,000 --> 00:27:20,960 that. And I have to say that OPS is is 673 00:27:20,960 --> 00:27:22,559 sustaining the violations and then 674 00:27:22,559 --> 00:27:24,159 they're finding their own within their 675 00:27:24,159 --> 00:27:24,960 review. 676 00:27:24,960 --> 00:27:26,960 >> Um, and when we ask to go back and 677 00:27:26,960 --> 00:27:29,919 review body camera, street cameras, 678 00:27:29,919 --> 00:27:32,880 etc., they always comply within 30 to 60 679 00:27:32,880 --> 00:27:34,960 days of getting us the redacted camera 680 00:27:34,960 --> 00:27:38,390 footage. 681 00:27:38,400 --> 00:27:40,320 In regards to the review of the camera 682 00:27:40,320 --> 00:27:42,400 footage, etc., who reviews that? The 683 00:27:42,400 --> 00:27:45,120 entire body. How um who reviews that? If 684 00:27:45,120 --> 00:27:46,559 you want to review for a case, 685 00:27:46,559 --> 00:27:48,640 >> it's the entire body is invited. 686 00:27:48,640 --> 00:27:48,960 >> Okay. 687 00:27:48,960 --> 00:27:51,120 >> The entire body is invite invited. The 688 00:27:51,120 --> 00:27:52,960 last case we reviewed, five of us showed 689 00:27:52,960 --> 00:27:55,200 up. So, all except for two. 690 00:27:55,200 --> 00:27:57,440 >> Mhm. 691 00:27:57,440 --> 00:27:59,840 And then if I can add the definitely a 692 00:27:59,840 --> 00:28:02,159 point of clarification is the office of 693 00:28:02,159 --> 00:28:03,679 professional standards. They do a 694 00:28:03,679 --> 00:28:05,760 sincere job with seeing every complaint 695 00:28:05,760 --> 00:28:08,159 through to completion bubble which was a 696 00:28:08,159 --> 00:28:09,919 part of that as a sergeant and that's 697 00:28:09,919 --> 00:28:11,440 where we've come to develop our 698 00:28:11,440 --> 00:28:13,440 professional relationship. But sincerely 699 00:28:13,440 --> 00:28:16,000 the important onus I think is put on 700 00:28:16,000 --> 00:28:18,159 complaints. Please put valid contact 701 00:28:18,159 --> 00:28:19,919 information because that is sincerely 702 00:28:19,919 --> 00:28:22,240 the true means of how that department 703 00:28:22,240 --> 00:28:24,399 can get in touch with you to give you 704 00:28:24,399 --> 00:28:26,480 updates along the process and also 705 00:28:26,480 --> 00:28:28,399 supply like just a summation or 706 00:28:28,399 --> 00:28:30,159 summarization of what's happened. But 707 00:28:30,159 --> 00:28:31,840 often times you hear that they're unable 708 00:28:31,840 --> 00:28:33,600 to get in contact with some of these 709 00:28:33,600 --> 00:28:35,360 individuals. Uh I think it's based on 710 00:28:35,360 --> 00:28:37,200 how the complaint form is written or it 711 00:28:37,200 --> 00:28:39,520 does have a very negative connotation to 712 00:28:39,520 --> 00:28:41,360 it whereas like you mess up an 713 00:28:41,360 --> 00:28:44,960 information or misconvey detail that the 714 00:28:44,960 --> 00:28:46,240 police department is going to seek like 715 00:28:46,240 --> 00:28:48,080 legal ramifications against you and 716 00:28:48,080 --> 00:28:50,799 that's truly not the case but um how you 717 00:28:50,799 --> 00:28:52,559 see it based is based on where you sit. 718 00:28:52,559 --> 00:28:54,960 Uh so wanting to see those revisions 719 00:28:54,960 --> 00:28:58,000 just so it not welcomes complaints but 720 00:28:58,000 --> 00:29:01,200 presents a different uh view to 721 00:29:01,200 --> 00:29:02,720 individuals who truly feel that they 722 00:29:02,720 --> 00:29:06,000 were u disenfranchised or treated in a 723 00:29:06,000 --> 00:29:07,919 negative way. uh but sincerely the 724 00:29:07,919 --> 00:29:10,000 office of professional standards they do 725 00:29:10,000 --> 00:29:11,360 see these complaints through to 726 00:29:11,360 --> 00:29:14,880 completion and I think in this uh review 727 00:29:14,880 --> 00:29:17,279 uh which we can just attach to uh the 728 00:29:17,279 --> 00:29:18,799 meeting if the public would like to see 729 00:29:18,799 --> 00:29:21,039 it uh if it's appropriate I think it 730 00:29:21,039 --> 00:29:24,159 shows what Miss Potterer has said um 731 00:29:24,159 --> 00:29:26,799 there are cases where uh complaints have 732 00:29:26,799 --> 00:29:28,799 been sustained and there have been 733 00:29:28,799 --> 00:29:30,720 plausible outcomes in the benefit of the 734 00:29:30,720 --> 00:29:32,799 community 735 00:29:32,799 --> 00:29:34,159 >> but if there are no other questions or 736 00:29:34,159 --> 00:29:37,279 concerns She 737 00:29:37,279 --> 00:29:39,360 quickly do I just highlight some of the 738 00:29:39,360 --> 00:29:40,399 ordinance changes that were 739 00:29:40,399 --> 00:29:41,279 >> I apologize. 740 00:29:41,279 --> 00:29:43,520 >> Okay. 741 00:29:43,520 --> 00:29:47,840 >> The city code. Yes. Um so based upon the 742 00:29:47,840 --> 00:29:49,279 way this was written and taking into 743 00:29:49,279 --> 00:29:50,559 account that this was written back in 744 00:29:50,559 --> 00:29:53,679 2001, right? Things have changed. Okay. 745 00:29:53,679 --> 00:29:56,399 >> Right. So the board um is supposed to 746 00:29:56,399 --> 00:29:59,200 have two exeicio uh non- voting members, 747 00:29:59,200 --> 00:30:01,039 a member of the public the public safety 748 00:30:01,039 --> 00:30:02,799 commissioner and a citizen at large 749 00:30:02,799 --> 00:30:05,279 appointed by city council. those that 750 00:30:05,279 --> 00:30:09,679 has never that doesn't happen. So, um I 751 00:30:09,679 --> 00:30:11,120 don't know if it needs to remain. 752 00:30:11,120 --> 00:30:13,919 >> I thought Mr. um Miss Patrick 753 00:30:13,919 --> 00:30:16,240 >> Ke St. John I thought Ke was our 754 00:30:16,240 --> 00:30:17,039 appointee. 755 00:30:17,039 --> 00:30:17,360 >> Yes, 756 00:30:17,360 --> 00:30:20,799 >> he is the city council's nominee to the 757 00:30:20,799 --> 00:30:23,520 board, but this is an exopicio non 758 00:30:23,520 --> 00:30:26,559 voting member that also city. 759 00:30:26,559 --> 00:30:27,440 >> That's what it says. 760 00:30:27,440 --> 00:30:28,000 >> Okay. 761 00:30:28,000 --> 00:30:28,880 Oh, we got 762 00:30:28,880 --> 00:30:31,520 >> section 934 763 00:30:31,520 --> 00:30:33,840 non- voting members from the public the 764 00:30:33,840 --> 00:30:36,000 public safety commissioner and a citizen 765 00:30:36,000 --> 00:30:38,000 at large appointed to the city council, 766 00:30:38,000 --> 00:30:40,080 but it's a non- voting member. 767 00:30:40,080 --> 00:30:41,360 >> So, this person has never 768 00:30:41,360 --> 00:30:42,720 >> No, he doesn't come. 769 00:30:42,720 --> 00:30:44,399 >> No. As a matter of fact, I looked up his 770 00:30:44,399 --> 00:30:45,440 name today because I'm going to invite 771 00:30:45,440 --> 00:30:47,679 him to come speak. 772 00:30:47,679 --> 00:30:49,679 >> Oh, well then that might be why he 773 00:30:49,679 --> 00:30:50,320 hasn't shown up. 774 00:30:50,320 --> 00:30:52,240 >> No, just recently. 775 00:30:52,240 --> 00:30:53,039 >> Just so you 776 00:30:53,039 --> 00:30:55,840 >> Okay, 777 00:30:55,840 --> 00:30:58,799 >> Mr. Chairman, you can just that as it's 778 00:30:58,799 --> 00:31:00,399 written, it's just a matter of 779 00:31:00,399 --> 00:31:03,520 appointing another exeicio member to the 780 00:31:03,520 --> 00:31:04,320 board, right? 781 00:31:04,320 --> 00:31:06,240 >> You know, it's it's there. So, it's just 782 00:31:06,240 --> 00:31:08,080 a matter of doing a resolution at some 783 00:31:08,080 --> 00:31:10,240 point, just appointing an as an exeicial 784 00:31:10,240 --> 00:31:10,640 member. 785 00:31:10,640 --> 00:31:12,320 >> But we we were also kind of on the side 786 00:31:12,320 --> 00:31:13,919 discussing that we the public safety 787 00:31:13,919 --> 00:31:17,200 commissioner is also written in there, 788 00:31:17,200 --> 00:31:19,120 >> right? We have a public safety 789 00:31:19,120 --> 00:31:21,360 commissioner as an exeicial man. 790 00:31:21,360 --> 00:31:23,360 >> Yes. Do we have a public safety 791 00:31:23,360 --> 00:31:23,919 commissioner? 792 00:31:23,919 --> 00:31:25,279 >> Yes. Yeah. 793 00:31:25,279 --> 00:31:26,880 >> I thought Didn't you invite us to 794 00:31:26,880 --> 00:31:28,799 something? 795 00:31:28,799 --> 00:31:31,039 >> He's the public safety commissioner, 796 00:31:31,039 --> 00:31:33,039 >> but he's still going to be in that role. 797 00:31:33,039 --> 00:31:33,360 >> Yeah. 798 00:31:33,360 --> 00:31:36,320 >> Okay. Okay. 799 00:31:36,320 --> 00:31:38,240 >> Okay. Next was the quorum, which we've 800 00:31:38,240 --> 00:31:39,679 quickly addressed that. I think that we 801 00:31:39,679 --> 00:31:41,200 need to look at that based upon the 802 00:31:41,200 --> 00:31:43,120 number of 803 00:31:43,120 --> 00:31:45,600 members that are appointed. It's been 804 00:31:45,600 --> 00:31:48,559 taking a while. Um right now, just for 805 00:31:48,559 --> 00:31:50,320 instance, Sycamore Collaborative, their 806 00:31:50,320 --> 00:31:52,320 person was up in February. They were 807 00:31:52,320 --> 00:31:54,320 notified in December that this person 808 00:31:54,320 --> 00:31:57,600 would be done by February. Sharon has 809 00:31:57,600 --> 00:31:59,840 been lovely at studying, but she keeps 810 00:31:59,840 --> 00:32:01,679 asking me every month, have they found a 811 00:32:01,679 --> 00:32:03,600 member? Have they found a member? 812 00:32:03,600 --> 00:32:05,600 >> Um, and that hasn't happened and it's 813 00:32:05,600 --> 00:32:08,240 August. Um, we're trying to find, you 814 00:32:08,240 --> 00:32:09,840 know, we we change the ordinance a bit 815 00:32:09,840 --> 00:32:11,840 to allow for the city to appoint 816 00:32:11,840 --> 00:32:13,760 someone, but that, you know, we were 817 00:32:13,760 --> 00:32:14,960 trying to let them hold on to their 818 00:32:14,960 --> 00:32:16,320 seat, but we're getting to the point 819 00:32:16,320 --> 00:32:17,679 that they may not be able to hold that 820 00:32:17,679 --> 00:32:19,679 seat that we're going to have to say 821 00:32:19,679 --> 00:32:21,519 city council should appoint someone. But 822 00:32:21,519 --> 00:32:23,440 there is already an appointee missing 823 00:32:23,440 --> 00:32:25,919 and that was Suns when they gave up 824 00:32:25,919 --> 00:32:28,559 >> their position. So we already have Sun 825 00:32:28,559 --> 00:32:31,120 out there not having someone and then we 826 00:32:31,120 --> 00:32:34,159 have the NAACP's nominee who couldn't 827 00:32:34,159 --> 00:32:35,760 step in because of that and then we'd 828 00:32:35,760 --> 00:32:37,519 have Sycamore collaborative which would 829 00:32:37,519 --> 00:32:42,549 then put us back down to six. 830 00:32:42,559 --> 00:32:43,919 » So there was also the process where 831 00:32:43,919 --> 00:32:45,840 we're talking about having an alternate. 832 00:32:45,840 --> 00:32:47,840 So none of these organizations well 833 00:32:47,840 --> 00:32:49,600 NAACP had an alternate but since the 834 00:32:49,600 --> 00:32:52,159 main person couldn't come you know the 835 00:32:52,159 --> 00:32:54,640 alternate couldn't be there so none of 836 00:32:54,640 --> 00:32:56,080 the organizations are putting forth an 837 00:32:56,080 --> 00:32:59,279 alternate it doesn't seem so based upon 838 00:32:59,279 --> 00:33:01,039 the appointments I've seen the 839 00:33:01,039 --> 00:33:02,240 appointment letters there doesn't seem 840 00:33:02,240 --> 00:33:04,799 to be uh a listing that this other 841 00:33:04,799 --> 00:33:07,760 person is part of that um 842 00:33:07,760 --> 00:33:10,000 >> with the exception of the NAACP where 843 00:33:10,000 --> 00:33:11,600 they put forth to 844 00:33:11,600 --> 00:33:13,600 >> okay 845 00:33:13,600 --> 00:33:15,519 let's take a look at that 846 00:33:15,519 --> 00:33:19,840 Um so the other part is 9311 says that 847 00:33:19,840 --> 00:33:21,600 the board shall encourage and facilitate 848 00:33:21,600 --> 00:33:24,320 mediation of any complaint. Well that 849 00:33:24,320 --> 00:33:26,320 hasn't happened. Um it says that we 850 00:33:26,320 --> 00:33:28,480 should should have a list of approved 851 00:33:28,480 --> 00:33:32,389 mediators and their qualifications. 852 00:33:32,399 --> 00:33:34,799 Um and then 9312 says that we should 853 00:33:34,799 --> 00:33:36,640 have the power to independently review 854 00:33:36,640 --> 00:33:39,039 complaints. And again, this goes to the 855 00:33:39,039 --> 00:33:41,440 subpoena power, but if we have to 856 00:33:41,440 --> 00:33:43,919 operate under a double blind system, 857 00:33:43,919 --> 00:33:45,600 that negates one another. So, I think 858 00:33:45,600 --> 00:33:47,760 there just needs to be a review of the 859 00:33:47,760 --> 00:33:50,240 wording and how that is done and what we 860 00:33:50,240 --> 00:33:52,480 would like. It calls for an annual 861 00:33:52,480 --> 00:33:54,399 independent audit by a consultant 862 00:33:54,399 --> 00:33:56,399 selected by the board of all the 863 00:33:56,399 --> 00:33:58,640 complaints and their investigations each 864 00:33:58,640 --> 00:34:00,320 year. 865 00:34:00,320 --> 00:34:03,919 That has not been done either. Um, and 866 00:34:03,919 --> 00:34:05,519 then the board shall charge and oversee 867 00:34:05,519 --> 00:34:07,919 its paid staff. 868 00:34:07,919 --> 00:34:10,950 No. 869 00:34:10,960 --> 00:34:13,280 » And I know it's not in here because 870 00:34:13,280 --> 00:34:15,359 obviously it would be a budgetary item, 871 00:34:15,359 --> 00:34:17,440 >> but it budgeted supposedly the 872 00:34:17,440 --> 00:34:19,040 investigator was that would have been a 873 00:34:19,040 --> 00:34:21,040 paid staff, but there's no investigator. 874 00:34:21,040 --> 00:34:24,399 >> Right. Right. Um, and then this was 875 00:34:24,399 --> 00:34:25,679 interesting and I don't know if it needs 876 00:34:25,679 --> 00:34:27,280 to be reviewed or if it was when it was 877 00:34:27,280 --> 00:34:29,200 established, but it says the mayor and 878 00:34:29,200 --> 00:34:32,639 the city council shall each appoint 10 879 00:34:32,639 --> 00:34:34,800 Skenctity residents to an advisory 880 00:34:34,800 --> 00:34:37,760 committee for an ongoing study and 881 00:34:37,760 --> 00:34:39,520 subsequent recommendations to the police 882 00:34:39,520 --> 00:34:41,839 review board. 883 00:34:41,839 --> 00:34:45,679 I don't know of an advisory. 884 00:34:45,679 --> 00:34:47,760 >> I believe that is when they first 885 00:34:47,760 --> 00:34:50,399 established it. Um, so I don't know if 886 00:34:50,399 --> 00:34:52,639 the wording should explain it better, 887 00:34:52,639 --> 00:34:54,800 but that was when it was first set. 888 00:34:54,800 --> 00:34:56,000 >> Okay. 889 00:34:56,000 --> 00:34:58,320 >> Um it's my understanding that 890 00:34:58,320 --> 00:35:00,160 >> those are those are the high points of 891 00:35:00,160 --> 00:35:01,760 the ordinance changes where we can kind 892 00:35:01,760 --> 00:35:04,400 of reviewing and looking at 893 00:35:04,400 --> 00:35:06,880 >> and since we uh kind of graciously 894 00:35:06,880 --> 00:35:09,680 skirted across budget uh any potential 895 00:35:09,680 --> 00:35:11,920 conversations how are you spending down? 896 00:35:11,920 --> 00:35:13,760 >> So yeah, so I think LA last year's 897 00:35:13,760 --> 00:35:16,079 budget was $15,000. This year we are 898 00:35:16,079 --> 00:35:19,760 sending two staff two sorry staff two 899 00:35:19,760 --> 00:35:22,640 board members to the NQL conference. Um 900 00:35:22,640 --> 00:35:24,079 and obviously we've started the 901 00:35:24,079 --> 00:35:25,760 marketing and Sarah Hughes has been 902 00:35:25,760 --> 00:35:27,200 wonderful at getting us the marketing 903 00:35:27,200 --> 00:35:29,760 materials. I send her a logo and a link 904 00:35:29,760 --> 00:35:31,280 to something and the next thing I know 905 00:35:31,280 --> 00:35:32,960 stuff arrives at my house. So we have 906 00:35:32,960 --> 00:35:36,240 tables and chairs and obviously runners. 907 00:35:36,240 --> 00:35:38,560 Um and we did get two sets of everything 908 00:35:38,560 --> 00:35:40,800 so that the vice chair Keith St. John 909 00:35:40,800 --> 00:35:42,640 also has a set of the same types of 910 00:35:42,640 --> 00:35:45,280 things at his house because we weren't 911 00:35:45,280 --> 00:35:47,280 sure that there was an appropriate area 912 00:35:47,280 --> 00:35:49,200 for us to house this so that anyone 913 00:35:49,200 --> 00:35:50,800 could get to it. So, we each have a 914 00:35:50,800 --> 00:35:52,960 table, tablecloth, runner, pens, 915 00:35:52,960 --> 00:35:55,599 magnets. Um, we're looking at cards. We 916 00:35:55,599 --> 00:35:57,359 held off on the cards because I wanted 917 00:35:57,359 --> 00:35:59,760 it to have just a unified email address 918 00:35:59,760 --> 00:36:02,320 on it and not listed to the chair or 919 00:36:02,320 --> 00:36:03,280 someone. 920 00:36:03,280 --> 00:36:06,160 >> So, those will be next. So I think cost 921 00:36:06,160 --> 00:36:09,200 will be the attendance at a variety of 922 00:36:09,200 --> 00:36:11,280 events, right? Paying those fees to have 923 00:36:11,280 --> 00:36:13,359 tables and tableabling and being out in 924 00:36:13,359 --> 00:36:16,000 the community. 925 00:36:16,000 --> 00:36:16,800 Mley, 926 00:36:16,800 --> 00:36:19,440 >> do you think that a a small stipen would 927 00:36:19,440 --> 00:36:23,119 uh encourage people to um 928 00:36:23,119 --> 00:36:25,839 participate and do so more a little more 929 00:36:25,839 --> 00:36:29,119 uh robustly than what's happening now? 930 00:36:29,119 --> 00:36:30,720 >> You know, that that's always a good 931 00:36:30,720 --> 00:36:36,240 question. Um, probably one that hurts my my heart a little is someone who 932 00:36:36,240 --> 00:36:39,040 volunteers and believes in volunteerism 933 00:36:39,040 --> 00:36:41,440 um and the commitment of volunteerism as 934 00:36:41,440 --> 00:36:44,720 a volunteer board if you commit to it. I 935 00:36:44,720 --> 00:36:46,320 would hope that you would meet those 936 00:36:46,320 --> 00:36:48,000 commitments. 937 00:36:48,000 --> 00:36:50,560 >> So would it enhance it? 938 00:36:50,560 --> 00:36:54,320 >> It may. Um, but I would, as you look at 939 00:36:54,320 --> 00:36:56,800 what we do, I would like to put in place 940 00:36:56,800 --> 00:36:59,040 a job description. Then before we did 941 00:36:59,040 --> 00:37:01,119 so, before we offered a stipen, do a job 942 00:37:01,119 --> 00:37:02,880 description that highlights what the 943 00:37:02,880 --> 00:37:05,200 person is supposed to be doing as part 944 00:37:05,200 --> 00:37:08,480 of the stipend. Um, unilaterally, just 945 00:37:08,480 --> 00:37:11,920 going across the board. And I know that 946 00:37:11,920 --> 00:37:14,320 because I I have met with other civilian 947 00:37:14,320 --> 00:37:16,560 review boards and last year at the NARL 948 00:37:16,560 --> 00:37:18,400 conference talked to uh quite a few that 949 00:37:18,400 --> 00:37:22,320 do have stipens. Um some have ended up 950 00:37:22,320 --> 00:37:24,720 with problematic stipens because they've 951 00:37:24,720 --> 00:37:26,320 given it at the first of the year and 952 00:37:26,320 --> 00:37:28,960 then the person drops and those that 953 00:37:28,960 --> 00:37:30,400 have to do it then they have to do a 954 00:37:30,400 --> 00:37:32,960 monthly stipen which becomes different 955 00:37:32,960 --> 00:37:35,599 for the city as a a monthly type of 956 00:37:35,599 --> 00:37:39,280 thing. So while I am in agreement that 957 00:37:39,280 --> 00:37:41,119 it could help, I'd like to farret that 958 00:37:41,119 --> 00:37:43,599 out a little further before saying yes, 959 00:37:43,599 --> 00:37:46,240 I think this is it, but how do we 960 00:37:46,240 --> 00:37:49,359 institute it in a way that ensures that 961 00:37:49,359 --> 00:37:51,599 the person who doesn't get, you know, 962 00:37:51,599 --> 00:37:54,320 say it was whatever, $1,000, but then I 963 00:37:54,320 --> 00:37:55,599 have them leave and this person then 964 00:37:55,599 --> 00:37:58,560 gets $1,000 and I just don't want to 965 00:37:58,560 --> 00:38:00,000 spend the city's money. 966 00:38:00,000 --> 00:38:01,440 >> Yeah. 967 00:38:01,440 --> 00:38:04,240 I I think also I mean I think it really 968 00:38:04,240 --> 00:38:05,520 would have to be well thought out 969 00:38:05,520 --> 00:38:07,680 because also how do you I mean who's 970 00:38:07,680 --> 00:38:09,920 going to hold the person accountable um 971 00:38:09,920 --> 00:38:11,599 how do you is there going to be a time 972 00:38:11,599 --> 00:38:15,200 sheet I mean how would they what is what 973 00:38:15,200 --> 00:38:18,720 if person A comes to every meeting does 974 00:38:18,720 --> 00:38:22,000 all the work um etc but person B hasn't 975 00:38:22,000 --> 00:38:24,160 shown up at all does that person still 976 00:38:24,160 --> 00:38:26,400 get the stipen who makes those decisions 977 00:38:26,400 --> 00:38:29,440 >> and when right do you get the stipen at 978 00:38:29,440 --> 00:38:30,720 the end of the year after you have 979 00:38:30,720 --> 00:38:32,800 contributed to the through the year. I'd 980 00:38:32,800 --> 00:38:34,640 love to see it fared out as well. I 981 00:38:34,640 --> 00:38:36,400 think that it it is an important thing 982 00:38:36,400 --> 00:38:38,720 and I do think it could be possible. 983 00:38:38,720 --> 00:38:41,119 >> So, Mr. Further, so a couple things like 984 00:38:41,119 --> 00:38:43,280 so I think about 985 00:38:43,280 --> 00:38:46,800 so there are other kind of boards that 986 00:38:46,800 --> 00:38:49,440 uh that offer stip for lack of a better 987 00:38:49,440 --> 00:38:51,359 term. So, I think that some of that you 988 00:38:51,359 --> 00:38:53,920 know we could look at like the success 989 00:38:53,920 --> 00:38:56,079 and how we manage those things. But I 990 00:38:56,079 --> 00:38:58,160 think overall like when we're talking 991 00:38:58,160 --> 00:39:00,800 about uh a position such as this, it is 992 00:39:00,800 --> 00:39:03,440 a very important position, 993 00:39:03,440 --> 00:39:07,599 but including a stipen sometimes uh 994 00:39:07,599 --> 00:39:09,839 allows not sometimes but offer up more 995 00:39:09,839 --> 00:39:12,000 access to this because a lot of people 996 00:39:12,000 --> 00:39:14,800 in our community um might have the heart 997 00:39:14,800 --> 00:39:17,280 of a val volunteer but don't have the 998 00:39:17,280 --> 00:39:19,680 time or the financial means to do so. 999 00:39:19,680 --> 00:39:22,560 And a lot of times um as far as 1000 00:39:22,560 --> 00:39:25,040 representation goes on boards like this 1001 00:39:25,040 --> 00:39:27,839 uh you know a lot of times that people 1002 00:39:27,839 --> 00:39:30,320 who are in are from marginalized 1003 00:39:30,320 --> 00:39:32,240 communities are the representation that 1004 00:39:32,240 --> 00:39:33,760 we're seeking because the the 1005 00:39:33,760 --> 00:39:36,240 statistically those are the people who 1006 00:39:36,240 --> 00:39:38,960 will be more impacted by some level of 1007 00:39:38,960 --> 00:39:41,200 misconduct. So, it's also like kind of 1008 00:39:41,200 --> 00:39:44,560 like knowing our audience, if we will, 1009 00:39:44,560 --> 00:39:47,760 and then making sure that we're not um 1010 00:39:47,760 --> 00:39:50,240 unintentionally not including access for 1011 00:39:50,240 --> 00:39:52,800 someone to participate in a board like 1012 00:39:52,800 --> 00:39:55,119 this because of their current financial 1013 00:39:55,119 --> 00:39:56,800 situation. That that can be a 1014 00:39:56,800 --> 00:39:59,440 dealbreaker for someone who has a great 1015 00:39:59,440 --> 00:40:01,040 part of that volunteer, but needs to 1016 00:40:01,040 --> 00:40:03,520 pick up that extra shift at the store or 1017 00:40:03,520 --> 00:40:04,880 whatever they're working at in order to 1018 00:40:04,880 --> 00:40:06,960 sit uh to maintain their lifestyle. 1019 00:40:06,960 --> 00:40:10,480 >> Right. Again, I'm I'm all in at a job 1020 00:40:10,480 --> 00:40:12,720 description and sort of the the idea of 1021 00:40:12,720 --> 00:40:15,359 meeting those qualifications. Um, we've 1022 00:40:15,359 --> 00:40:17,680 had a couple of instances in the past 1023 00:40:17,680 --> 00:40:20,480 year where um we've had to remove board 1024 00:40:20,480 --> 00:40:23,200 members for lack of participation. 1025 00:40:23,200 --> 00:40:25,119 Right. It is part of the the overall 1026 00:40:25,119 --> 00:40:26,880 thing. I do my best to try to keep them 1027 00:40:26,880 --> 00:40:29,680 updated as to their attendance um and 1028 00:40:29,680 --> 00:40:32,160 the requirements of the position, but it 1029 00:40:32,160 --> 00:40:35,040 doesn't help us if we can't meet the the 1030 00:40:35,040 --> 00:40:37,839 role of the organization. So that's 1031 00:40:37,839 --> 00:40:39,359 >> no we're going to make the same point 1032 00:40:39,359 --> 00:40:40,800 Mr. Fleman and we do have other boards 1033 00:40:40,800 --> 00:40:42,640 that give siphons so we could look at 1034 00:40:42,640 --> 00:40:44,800 how they manage it. We've had um 1035 00:40:44,800 --> 00:40:46,320 situations where something similar come 1036 00:40:46,320 --> 00:40:48,000 up on other boards. So we should be able 1037 00:40:48,000 --> 00:40:52,160 to manage it if in fact uh a siphon 1038 00:40:52,160 --> 00:40:54,800 is something that we would end up doing 1039 00:40:54,800 --> 00:40:57,040 uh for this particular board. 1040 00:40:57,040 --> 00:40:59,200 >> Absolutely. There are no other questions 1041 00:40:59,200 --> 00:41:01,040 or uh comments. definitely would like to 1042 00:41:01,040 --> 00:41:03,280 thank him as volunteer on top of being a 1043 00:41:03,280 --> 00:41:07,280 volunteer. Uh hurting pets per se is not 1044 00:41:07,280 --> 00:41:10,319 a is an easy task and sincerely uh this 1045 00:41:10,319 --> 00:41:12,319 work is very important. I've seen her 1046 00:41:12,319 --> 00:41:14,000 attend meetings virtually, not as a 1047 00:41:14,000 --> 00:41:15,920 voting member, but just to ensure that 1048 00:41:15,920 --> 00:41:17,920 her presence is still felt on meetings 1049 00:41:17,920 --> 00:41:19,839 and just want to say thank you. 1050 00:41:19,839 --> 00:41:21,359 >> Thank you for having a lot of work. 1051 00:41:21,359 --> 00:41:21,920 That's great. 1052 00:41:21,920 --> 00:41:23,920 >> Thank you for having us. We hope to do 1053 00:41:23,920 --> 00:41:26,400 that and if the budget is part of that 1054 00:41:26,400 --> 00:41:28,319 statement, we can certainly welcome it. 1055 00:41:28,319 --> 00:41:30,240 I'm not saying that we wouldn't. I'm 1056 00:41:30,240 --> 00:41:32,880 just saying as as we go forth, it would 1057 00:41:32,880 --> 00:41:35,119 certainly help getting people to deliver 1058 00:41:35,119 --> 00:41:37,520 the items needed to be. I'm just going 1059 00:41:37,520 --> 00:41:39,920 to take my little table runner. 1060 00:41:39,920 --> 00:41:42,560 >> Okay. 1061 00:41:42,560 --> 00:41:45,440 >> On my way out. 1062 00:41:45,440 --> 00:41:47,200 >> Thank you. 1063 00:41:47,200 --> 00:41:49,440 >> Uh there's no action needed with that 1064 00:41:49,440 --> 00:41:51,440 item. So there are no further uh 1065 00:41:51,440 --> 00:41:54,640 discussion points for the public to 1066 00:41:54,640 --> 00:41:55,200 adjourn. 1067 00:41:55,200 --> 00:41:55,760 >> So moved. 1068 00:41:55,760 --> 00:41:57,920 >> I'll second. All those in favor? I we 1069 00:41:57,920 --> 00:42:00,880 are here. 1070 00:42:00,880 --> 00:42:02,560 >> Sure. I'd like to call to order the 1071 00:42:02,560 --> 00:42:04,079 finance committee. We have three items 1072 00:42:04,079 --> 00:42:06,079 on the agenda tonight. First of which is 1073 00:42:06,079 --> 00:42:08,880 the National New York EV make ready 1074 00:42:08,880 --> 00:42:12,240 program CD50002- 1075 00:42:12,240 --> 00:42:21,750 India Alpha 1769. 1076 00:42:21,760 --> 00:42:26,390 Thank you. 1077 00:42:26,400 --> 00:42:29,119 » All right. Um 1078 00:42:29,119 --> 00:42:31,760 this is 1079 00:42:31,760 --> 00:42:33,280 um 1080 00:42:33,280 --> 00:42:34,880 we have an electric vehicle project 1081 00:42:34,880 --> 00:42:38,240 going down going on down at Urian Union. 1082 00:42:38,240 --> 00:42:42,880 Um it's addressed as one 112 um South 1083 00:42:42,880 --> 00:42:44,800 College Street. However, it's 1084 00:42:44,800 --> 00:42:45,920 essentially if you're looking at 1085 00:42:45,920 --> 00:42:48,240 Clinton's Ditch, that little triangle 1086 00:42:48,240 --> 00:42:50,400 lot in front, um it's going to be in 1087 00:42:50,400 --> 00:42:52,640 there. It actually was I misspoke during 1088 00:42:52,640 --> 00:42:54,079 a meeting the other day. It was 1089 00:42:54,079 --> 00:42:56,400 originally closest to Union Street. now 1090 00:42:56,400 --> 00:42:59,200 has been shifted to basically the tip 1091 00:42:59,200 --> 00:43:03,520 closer to Burger. Um but ultimately this 1092 00:43:03,520 --> 00:43:08,960 was a grant from uh National Grid been 1093 00:43:08,960 --> 00:43:11,200 awarded very specific number of 1094 00:43:11,200 --> 00:43:14,950 $327,379.98 1095 00:43:14,960 --> 00:43:17,599 uh for the installation of four DC FC 1096 00:43:17,599 --> 00:43:20,240 charging station plugs um in the area I 1097 00:43:20,240 --> 00:43:22,000 just discussed. Again, there's no match 1098 00:43:22,000 --> 00:43:25,119 from the city. This is uh in combination 1099 00:43:25,119 --> 00:43:27,920 with um 1100 00:43:27,920 --> 00:43:31,760 couple other grants that we had already 1101 00:43:31,760 --> 00:43:34,480 put through and been approved on um 1102 00:43:34,480 --> 00:43:36,319 Department of Energy grant which is 1103 00:43:36,319 --> 00:43:37,920 ultimately going to cover cover our 1104 00:43:37,920 --> 00:43:41,839 costs. Um 1105 00:43:41,839 --> 00:43:43,520 so what this is going to do, what this 1106 00:43:43,520 --> 00:43:45,440 grant ultimately is for is going to pay 1107 00:43:45,440 --> 00:43:48,319 for um 1108 00:43:48,319 --> 00:43:50,000 the upgrade of the service through 1109 00:43:50,000 --> 00:43:52,079 national grid. Um due to the large 1110 00:43:52,079 --> 00:43:53,359 amount of power that's going to be drawn 1111 00:43:53,359 --> 00:43:56,560 from it um and then the other grant 1112 00:43:56,560 --> 00:43:58,640 money is going to go towards the 1113 00:43:58,640 --> 00:44:00,960 equipment and the contractor performing 1114 00:44:00,960 --> 00:44:03,280 the work. 1115 00:44:03,280 --> 00:44:05,119 >> Any questions or comments for 1116 00:44:05,119 --> 00:44:08,240 >> So is this a city law? 1117 00:44:08,240 --> 00:44:09,599 That's a great question. 1118 00:44:09,599 --> 00:44:14,640 >> Yes. 1119 00:44:14,640 --> 00:44:15,119 >> Thank you. 1120 00:44:15,119 --> 00:44:16,880 >> So, it's the one that's like like when 1121 00:44:16,880 --> 00:44:18,640 you want to go if you want to go kind of 1122 00:44:18,640 --> 00:44:19,760 like that curving thing. 1123 00:44:19,760 --> 00:44:21,119 >> Yeah. It's the lot between Erie 1124 00:44:21,119 --> 00:44:23,520 Boulevard and that road that splits in 1125 00:44:23,520 --> 00:44:25,440 front of Clint. It's literally a little 1126 00:44:25,440 --> 00:44:27,200 wedge, little triangle. 1127 00:44:27,200 --> 00:44:28,480 >> All right. Just wanted to make sure it 1128 00:44:28,480 --> 00:44:31,200 was city lot. And my only other question 1129 00:44:31,200 --> 00:44:32,960 I don't expect you to say to know is 1130 00:44:32,960 --> 00:44:35,359 there any comprehensive plan citywide 1131 00:44:35,359 --> 00:44:37,200 with respect to addressing the EP 1132 00:44:37,200 --> 00:44:40,400 considerations from Steve? 1133 00:44:40,400 --> 00:44:42,560 >> You are correct. You know what is going 1134 00:44:42,560 --> 00:44:46,880 on? Um this is um to be honest I'm not 1135 00:44:46,880 --> 00:44:48,960 exactly 100% sure why the police 1136 00:44:48,960 --> 00:44:50,560 department is involved in this project. 1137 00:44:50,560 --> 00:44:52,800 This isn't a police department project. 1138 00:44:52,800 --> 00:44:59,119 Um Chief was asked to look into this and 1139 00:44:59,119 --> 00:45:00,560 if you all know Chief Whipple, but he's 1140 00:45:00,560 --> 00:45:02,240 an all-star and he doesn't clearly say 1141 00:45:02,240 --> 00:45:04,640 no. So, he hit the ground running, 1142 00:45:04,640 --> 00:45:07,680 figured it out, and here we are getting 1143 00:45:07,680 --> 00:45:11,119 a whole boatload of money to update some 1144 00:45:11,119 --> 00:45:14,160 EV charging or provide and update 1145 00:45:14,160 --> 00:45:16,160 electricity and EV charging stations 1146 00:45:16,160 --> 00:45:18,079 around the city. He's currently working 1147 00:45:18,079 --> 00:45:20,880 on one right now to get some chargers 1148 00:45:20,880 --> 00:45:22,640 outside of the station, but this is not 1149 00:45:22,640 --> 00:45:25,599 that. This is completely separate. So 1150 00:45:25,599 --> 00:45:27,839 without putting that comment and you on 1151 00:45:27,839 --> 00:45:29,839 the spot since you actually made this I 1152 00:45:29,839 --> 00:45:33,040 shared the same uh thought process um is 1153 00:45:33,040 --> 00:45:35,359 there a better um position or department 1154 00:45:35,359 --> 00:45:37,839 suited for this type of work? Um I 1155 00:45:37,839 --> 00:45:39,680 imagine it is in respect to some of the 1156 00:45:39,680 --> 00:45:41,920 staffing concerns throughout the city uh 1157 00:45:41,920 --> 00:45:43,760 city hall be specific but hopefully we 1158 00:45:43,760 --> 00:45:45,200 can have some discussions around that 1159 00:45:45,200 --> 00:45:48,560 budgetarily speaking not 1160 00:45:48,560 --> 00:45:50,720 >> um any other questions or comments 1161 00:45:50,720 --> 00:45:52,160 regarding 1162 00:45:52,160 --> 00:45:54,640 >> just regarding that um Mr. Kucho who 1163 00:45:54,640 --> 00:45:56,079 used to who was our assigned 1164 00:45:56,079 --> 00:45:58,640 superintendent signal superintendent did 1165 00:45:58,640 --> 00:46:00,800 um the past EV stuff that we got 1166 00:46:00,800 --> 00:46:02,720 installed that was something that he was 1167 00:46:02,720 --> 00:46:04,640 doing. So it's good point that we should 1168 00:46:04,640 --> 00:46:07,119 try to figure out if it's should it be 1169 00:46:07,119 --> 00:46:08,319 the police department where should that 1170 00:46:08,319 --> 00:46:09,680 fail. 1171 00:46:09,680 --> 00:46:11,520 >> Regardless of what body work a person 1172 00:46:11,520 --> 00:46:13,440 submits. 1173 00:46:13,440 --> 00:46:15,920 Um if there are no other questions or 1174 00:46:15,920 --> 00:46:19,119 comments. Can I have a motion to uh 1175 00:46:19,119 --> 00:46:22,480 >> I I'll make the motion to uh accept this 1176 00:46:22,480 --> 00:46:23,440 funding. 1177 00:46:23,440 --> 00:46:25,359 >> I will second. All those in favor? 1178 00:46:25,359 --> 00:46:28,560 >> I I The next item on discussion is a 1179 00:46:28,560 --> 00:46:30,560 discussion regarding citywide 1180 00:46:30,560 --> 00:46:37,190 re-evaluation. Miss 1181 00:46:37,200 --> 00:46:40,240 » Good evening everybody. Um it for the 1182 00:46:40,240 --> 00:46:41,599 course of the time that I have been here 1183 00:46:41,599 --> 00:46:43,599 at the city um we've gone from a 1184 00:46:43,599 --> 00:46:47,280 equalization rate uh at a high of 123% 1185 00:46:47,280 --> 00:46:49,599 um to 60.39% 1186 00:46:49,599 --> 00:46:51,760 now. Um some of it you know I mean it's 1187 00:46:51,760 --> 00:46:54,319 obviously due to the um how well the 1188 00:46:54,319 --> 00:46:56,400 market's been doing but having an 1189 00:46:56,400 --> 00:46:58,800 equalization rate that continues to fall 1190 00:46:58,800 --> 00:47:01,280 um at such a dramatic 1191 00:47:01,280 --> 00:47:03,920 um rate is going to cause us some 1192 00:47:03,920 --> 00:47:05,680 problems in terms of like economic 1193 00:47:05,680 --> 00:47:09,119 stability in the city. um you know I I 1194 00:47:09,119 --> 00:47:12,480 put on the back of the um on the back of 1195 00:47:12,480 --> 00:47:14,880 the form that I submitted in the packets 1196 00:47:14,880 --> 00:47:16,720 um there's a bullet there's a bullet 1197 00:47:16,720 --> 00:47:19,200 point list that kind of describes what 1198 00:47:19,200 --> 00:47:21,200 happens or what the equalization rate 1199 00:47:21,200 --> 00:47:22,079 does 1200 00:47:22,079 --> 00:47:23,599 >> but you know it can affect our bond 1201 00:47:23,599 --> 00:47:27,280 rating um it can uh it certainly has 1202 00:47:27,280 --> 00:47:30,720 shown an effect on what the county uses 1203 00:47:30,720 --> 00:47:32,560 like the city tax rate for county 1204 00:47:32,560 --> 00:47:35,200 purposes um because we've fallen at such 1205 00:47:35,200 --> 00:47:38,880 a dramatic rate. We are we end up car uh 1206 00:47:38,880 --> 00:47:41,520 covering the majority of the tax rate 1207 00:47:41,520 --> 00:47:44,640 compared to our uh neighbors in the in 1208 00:47:44,640 --> 00:47:49,200 the um in the county. So, um I you know 1209 00:47:49,200 --> 00:47:50,880 I kind of when I was speaking with Miss 1210 00:47:50,880 --> 00:47:54,560 Porter um last week, we talked about 1211 00:47:54,560 --> 00:47:56,560 just opening this up for a discussion. 1212 00:47:56,560 --> 00:47:58,480 Um it's you know I mean it's a big thing 1213 00:47:58,480 --> 00:47:59,920 to think about. It's an expensive thing 1214 00:47:59,920 --> 00:48:02,480 to think about, but we're going to the 1215 00:48:02,480 --> 00:48:04,480 market really isn't the market is still 1216 00:48:04,480 --> 00:48:07,119 pretty hot. Um, and I don't know that 1217 00:48:07,119 --> 00:48:09,119 we're going to see anything changing or 1218 00:48:09,119 --> 00:48:11,040 at least it going back up anytime soon 1219 00:48:11,040 --> 00:48:13,440 without us physically doing something to 1220 00:48:13,440 --> 00:48:15,040 change that. 1221 00:48:15,040 --> 00:48:17,760 >> Um, I'm not really sure. You know, I'm 1222 00:48:17,760 --> 00:48:20,079 happy to answer questions or talk more 1223 00:48:20,079 --> 00:48:21,440 about it. You know, there's a lot of 1224 00:48:21,440 --> 00:48:24,240 information in here. Um, there's a lot 1225 00:48:24,240 --> 00:48:25,839 of companies that we could go, you know, 1226 00:48:25,839 --> 00:48:27,839 we can get an RFP from, we can take a 1227 00:48:27,839 --> 00:48:31,599 look at. Um I you know I got a a quote 1228 00:48:31,599 --> 00:48:33,920 from someone um who said you know a city 1229 00:48:33,920 --> 00:48:36,160 of our size it would probably cost um 1230 00:48:36,160 --> 00:48:40,160 upwards of 2 million to really um get 1231 00:48:40,160 --> 00:48:42,000 all of the resources. There's there's 1232 00:48:42,000 --> 00:48:44,319 different levels. Um, I know that if 1233 00:48:44,319 --> 00:48:46,720 even if we enter into this conversation, 1234 00:48:46,720 --> 00:48:48,480 the biggest problem or the biggest 1235 00:48:48,480 --> 00:48:51,200 challenge we have is that our data is is 1236 00:48:51,200 --> 00:48:53,599 really, you know, I mean, we've got a 1237 00:48:53,599 --> 00:48:55,440 lot of stuff going on in the city where 1238 00:48:55,440 --> 00:48:57,119 people don't get building permits and so 1239 00:48:57,119 --> 00:48:59,040 we're not able to capture, 1240 00:48:59,040 --> 00:49:01,440 >> you know, changes in bedroom count, 1241 00:49:01,440 --> 00:49:04,400 bathroom count, square footage of homes. 1242 00:49:04,400 --> 00:49:06,559 Um, so being able to use an outside 1243 00:49:06,559 --> 00:49:08,240 company, uh, would help. They have more 1244 00:49:08,240 --> 00:49:10,800 resources than we do, um, in the, you 1245 00:49:10,800 --> 00:49:13,359 know, in our office. more staff, um, 1246 00:49:13,359 --> 00:49:14,800 more they do those kinds of things 1247 00:49:14,800 --> 00:49:17,359 full-time. So, it's, you know, would be 1248 00:49:17,359 --> 00:49:19,839 a benefit to us, um, to really use some 1249 00:49:19,839 --> 00:49:24,000 of the resources of outside folks. 1250 00:49:24,000 --> 00:49:26,160 >> Um, so 1251 00:49:26,160 --> 00:49:28,319 a couple of million dollars perhaps to 1252 00:49:28,319 --> 00:49:32,480 hire um, that company to do the uh, 1253 00:49:32,480 --> 00:49:35,359 reevaluation. Do you have any sense of 1254 00:49:35,359 --> 00:49:38,640 what we might expect in revenue if we 1255 00:49:38,640 --> 00:49:43,599 were to do the re-evaluation? Um, And that's I mean it's tricky. There's 1256 00:49:43,599 --> 00:49:45,520 really no it doesn't really generate 1257 00:49:45,520 --> 00:49:47,440 revenue um in the way that you think it 1258 00:49:47,440 --> 00:49:49,359 kind of flip-flops. So tax rates would 1259 00:49:49,359 --> 00:49:51,599 go down because we're generating a 1260 00:49:51,599 --> 00:49:53,440 higher value in the city. So when it 1261 00:49:53,440 --> 00:49:55,280 comes to looking at the levy, you know, 1262 00:49:55,280 --> 00:49:57,680 it's still a matter of tightening per 1263 00:49:57,680 --> 00:49:59,599 strings and you know I mean in order to 1264 00:49:59,599 --> 00:50:00,640 get 1265 00:50:00,640 --> 00:50:02,960 >> um the tax cap you know I don't I don't 1266 00:50:02,960 --> 00:50:04,720 think that that's ever wanting anyone 1267 00:50:04,720 --> 00:50:06,480 wants to enter into that discussion of 1268 00:50:06,480 --> 00:50:09,520 trying to um go over the tax cap. So 1269 00:50:09,520 --> 00:50:12,880 it's but um I've heard instances of 1270 00:50:12,880 --> 00:50:14,720 other places where they don't change the 1271 00:50:14,720 --> 00:50:16,480 tax rates. So they take in all the 1272 00:50:16,480 --> 00:50:19,440 revenue from a reval but then they force 1273 00:50:19,440 --> 00:50:21,760 an assessment office or other um 1274 00:50:21,760 --> 00:50:25,200 officials in the municipality to um then 1275 00:50:25,200 --> 00:50:26,880 field questions from folks who want 1276 00:50:26,880 --> 00:50:28,559 their assessments lowered because tax 1277 00:50:28,559 --> 00:50:31,280 rates didn't balance that out as they 1278 00:50:31,280 --> 00:50:34,559 increased um assessed value. So, you 1279 00:50:34,559 --> 00:50:36,400 know, I mean, it's it doesn't really 1280 00:50:36,400 --> 00:50:39,200 create a whole lot of revenue, but it 1281 00:50:39,200 --> 00:50:41,280 equalizes everything in the city. 1282 00:50:41,280 --> 00:50:42,960 >> We've got some areas of the city right 1283 00:50:42,960 --> 00:50:44,720 now where properties are selling for 1284 00:50:44,720 --> 00:50:48,000 200% more than what they're assessed at. 1285 00:50:48,000 --> 00:50:51,359 >> Um, and so being able to capture that um 1286 00:50:51,359 --> 00:50:54,000 and show some equity across the board um 1287 00:50:54,000 --> 00:50:55,680 between different neighborhoods is, you 1288 00:50:55,680 --> 00:50:57,359 know, I mean, that's one of the major 1289 00:50:57,359 --> 00:50:58,800 benefits of uh doing 1290 00:50:58,800 --> 00:51:02,069 >> Artha. 1291 00:51:02,079 --> 00:51:05,359 So, um, can you actually just tell us a 1292 00:51:05,359 --> 00:51:07,680 little bit about like how you came to to 1293 00:51:07,680 --> 00:51:09,359 do this at this, you know, as we're 1294 00:51:09,359 --> 00:51:11,359 starting to do this right now and how 1295 00:51:11,359 --> 00:51:13,200 long the process would take? I know you 1296 00:51:13,200 --> 00:51:14,640 mentioned that we talked about it, but I 1297 00:51:14,640 --> 00:51:15,839 did not initiate those. 1298 00:51:15,839 --> 00:51:18,000 >> No, that's okay. That's okay. Um, well, 1299 00:51:18,000 --> 00:51:19,760 I just in conversations with the mayor 1300 00:51:19,760 --> 00:51:21,760 about our equalization rate every year, 1301 00:51:21,760 --> 00:51:24,800 um, and and how I see the market going 1302 00:51:24,800 --> 00:51:27,359 forward, um, we kind of talked about the 1303 00:51:27,359 --> 00:51:28,880 possibility of me bringing this forward 1304 00:51:28,880 --> 00:51:31,119 to the council. um just to you know 1305 00:51:31,119 --> 00:51:34,079 start the discussion uh and see it 1306 00:51:34,079 --> 00:51:36,640 generally takes anywhere from 2 to four 1307 00:51:36,640 --> 00:51:39,119 years um for because there's a lot of 1308 00:51:39,119 --> 00:51:41,040 data collection that happens especially 1309 00:51:41,040 --> 00:51:45,040 in the first two years um and so 1310 00:51:45,040 --> 00:51:47,040 it the last time we did a reval it was 1311 00:51:47,040 --> 00:51:49,520 in they started it in 2007 and it went 1312 00:51:49,520 --> 00:51:52,480 on the books in 2009 um but it wasn't 1313 00:51:52,480 --> 00:51:55,440 they used outside folks but they hire 1314 00:51:55,440 --> 00:51:57,200 they just hired a lot of people to work 1315 00:51:57,200 --> 00:52:00,319 within the office as opposed to using a 1316 00:52:00,319 --> 00:52:03,760 company that does it a lot. Um, you 1317 00:52:03,760 --> 00:52:04,960 know, that has some of those other 1318 00:52:04,960 --> 00:52:07,680 outside resources. Um, and you know, 1319 00:52:07,680 --> 00:52:10,559 there were things like, um, we use these 1320 00:52:10,559 --> 00:52:12,720 things called property record cards. And 1321 00:52:12,720 --> 00:52:14,480 unfortunately, we found that a lot of 1322 00:52:14,480 --> 00:52:16,240 the data was just copied from one 1323 00:52:16,240 --> 00:52:18,240 property record card to another as 1324 00:52:18,240 --> 00:52:20,640 opposed to having some field inspections 1325 00:52:20,640 --> 00:52:22,800 done. Now, it's not possible with a city 1326 00:52:22,800 --> 00:52:25,280 our size to get to out to every single 1327 00:52:25,280 --> 00:52:27,440 property, but there's a lot of um, 1328 00:52:27,440 --> 00:52:29,760 resources. There's pictometry which is 1329 00:52:29,760 --> 00:52:32,960 um you have a a plane flies over the 1330 00:52:32,960 --> 00:52:34,960 municipality and then we can take a look 1331 00:52:34,960 --> 00:52:38,000 at changes that have happened. Um and 1332 00:52:38,000 --> 00:52:39,280 then some of the software that they 1333 00:52:39,280 --> 00:52:42,240 include is change finder. So if we do a 1334 00:52:42,240 --> 00:52:44,800 fly over every year then they show they 1335 00:52:44,800 --> 00:52:46,960 actually draw the outline of properties 1336 00:52:46,960 --> 00:52:49,839 that have changed year um so that we can 1337 00:52:49,839 --> 00:52:53,520 at least capture that data. 1338 00:52:53,520 --> 00:52:56,160 >> So we we haven't done that yet. So right 1339 00:52:56,160 --> 00:52:59,040 now if we did that we wouldn't we 1340 00:52:59,040 --> 00:53:00,559 wouldn't know what was what was added on 1341 00:53:00,559 --> 00:53:01,760 within the last year year. 1342 00:53:01,760 --> 00:53:04,480 >> Um we may based on the the information 1343 00:53:04,480 --> 00:53:06,480 we have and taking a look at the 1344 00:53:06,480 --> 00:53:10,079 properties. Um it's sometimes it's hard 1345 00:53:10,079 --> 00:53:12,480 to you know I mean yes I would say the 1346 00:53:12,480 --> 00:53:14,960 easy answer answer to that question is 1347 00:53:14,960 --> 00:53:17,440 um we may not know we may not be able to 1348 00:53:17,440 --> 00:53:19,760 but looking at codes data looking at 1349 00:53:19,760 --> 00:53:21,440 information that we currently have in 1350 00:53:21,440 --> 00:53:23,680 our office um we've got a lot of you 1351 00:53:23,680 --> 00:53:25,760 know we use the multiple listing service 1352 00:53:25,760 --> 00:53:27,440 and there's a lot of other uh real 1353 00:53:27,440 --> 00:53:29,599 estate websites out there where we can 1354 00:53:29,599 --> 00:53:31,359 take a look at properties that have sold 1355 00:53:31,359 --> 00:53:35,040 in the city um and some of a reval is 1356 00:53:35,040 --> 00:53:36,720 you know collecting that data but then 1357 00:53:36,720 --> 00:53:39,119 It's also just looking at sales within 1358 00:53:39,119 --> 00:53:40,880 each of the neighborhoods and doing some 1359 00:53:40,880 --> 00:53:44,240 modeling um and statistics and then you 1360 00:53:44,240 --> 00:53:46,960 know kind of finding a center line um 1361 00:53:46,960 --> 00:53:49,040 and using that to determine the values 1362 00:53:49,040 --> 00:53:52,470 of neighborhoods. 1363 00:53:52,480 --> 00:53:54,160 » Uh there are no other questions or 1364 00:53:54,160 --> 00:53:55,760 comments. I would definitely like to say 1365 00:53:55,760 --> 00:53:57,599 I appreciate you continuing to push 1366 00:53:57,599 --> 00:53:59,839 forth this agenda item. I remember you 1367 00:53:59,839 --> 00:54:02,720 discussing it um very uh confidently 1368 00:54:02,720 --> 00:54:05,920 emotionally and budget hearing as a as a 1369 00:54:05,920 --> 00:54:08,319 means forward for our city. Uh so that 1370 00:54:08,319 --> 00:54:10,240 definitely is appreciated for myself. If 1371 00:54:10,240 --> 00:54:12,319 you're able to speak to it though, is 1372 00:54:12,319 --> 00:54:15,280 there an average or an acceptable 1373 00:54:15,280 --> 00:54:17,359 equalization rate for a municipality or 1374 00:54:17,359 --> 00:54:18,720 can you can speak to that? Thank you. 1375 00:54:18,720 --> 00:54:22,079 >> Yeah, sure. Uh 100%. 1376 00:54:22,079 --> 00:54:25,200 And and generally when you do um when 1377 00:54:25,200 --> 00:54:29,599 you do a reval you are at 100%. And 1378 00:54:29,599 --> 00:54:32,319 given some of the resources that um 1379 00:54:32,319 --> 00:54:36,400 outside companies have um we'd possibly 1380 00:54:36,400 --> 00:54:39,119 be able to stay at 100% going forward 1381 00:54:39,119 --> 00:54:41,280 because we'd have good data. um we've 1382 00:54:41,280 --> 00:54:42,800 have the ability to use some of their 1383 00:54:42,800 --> 00:54:46,160 modeling software um and you know do 1384 00:54:46,160 --> 00:54:48,319 some work in each of the neighborhoods 1385 00:54:48,319 --> 00:54:50,240 that we determine when we go through a 1386 00:54:50,240 --> 00:54:51,920 rebal. 1387 00:54:51,920 --> 00:54:54,720 Um so yeah, it's is really what you want 1388 00:54:54,720 --> 00:54:56,960 is your equalization rate. You want the 1389 00:54:56,960 --> 00:55:00,160 assessed value of a home to be equal to 1390 00:55:00,160 --> 00:55:02,960 um the fair market value of the home. 1391 00:55:02,960 --> 00:55:04,880 >> So what people are being taxed on is 1392 00:55:04,880 --> 00:55:07,520 actually what they can go out and get 1393 00:55:07,520 --> 00:55:10,960 for their property on the market. 1394 00:55:10,960 --> 00:55:11,680 Understood. 1395 00:55:11,680 --> 00:55:12,400 >> Yeah. 1396 00:55:12,400 --> 00:55:13,680 >> Thank you. Uh are there any other 1397 00:55:13,680 --> 00:55:15,680 question? Um Miss Patrick from 1398 00:55:15,680 --> 00:55:19,040 >> So our next step I mean obviously it um 1399 00:55:19,040 --> 00:55:22,880 we've been asked uh before uh to try to 1400 00:55:22,880 --> 00:55:25,119 go out for the revaluation. Um obviously 1401 00:55:25,119 --> 00:55:26,160 it would have to be something that would 1402 00:55:26,160 --> 00:55:28,160 be part of our budget discussions. Is it 1403 00:55:28,160 --> 00:55:30,079 something that you hope to put into the 1404 00:55:30,079 --> 00:55:31,440 budget for? 1405 00:55:31,440 --> 00:55:32,880 >> Probably not for this year. I think 1406 00:55:32,880 --> 00:55:34,480 there's a lot of work we would need to 1407 00:55:34,480 --> 00:55:36,400 do prep work that we would need to do 1408 00:55:36,400 --> 00:55:38,240 and I would suggest that we look at it 1409 00:55:38,240 --> 00:55:40,880 for next year. So, we're really just 1410 00:55:40,880 --> 00:55:42,240 you're keeping it in front of us. 1411 00:55:42,240 --> 00:55:44,880 >> Yeah. And and trying to push it a little 1412 00:55:44,880 --> 00:55:46,960 bit more just because I do see the the 1413 00:55:46,960 --> 00:55:48,880 equalization rate continuing to go down. 1414 00:55:48,880 --> 00:55:49,440 >> Yeah. 1415 00:55:49,440 --> 00:55:51,599 >> Um and it just, you know, I mean, I 1416 00:55:51,599 --> 00:55:53,520 guess and I think I I mentioned this 1417 00:55:53,520 --> 00:55:55,280 while we don't really do a ton of 1418 00:55:55,280 --> 00:55:56,880 revaluations every year. You know, we 1419 00:55:56,880 --> 00:55:58,319 try to follow up on permits and those 1420 00:55:58,319 --> 00:56:02,240 kinds of things, but um right now as we 1421 00:56:02,240 --> 00:56:04,000 revalue a home, say that fair market 1422 00:56:04,000 --> 00:56:07,119 value is 100,000, we're only taxing it 1423 00:56:07,119 --> 00:56:10,240 on 60,000. So, we're losing out on the 1424 00:56:10,240 --> 00:56:12,240 potential of some revenue there. You 1425 00:56:12,240 --> 00:56:13,359 know, I mean, I think there's some other 1426 00:56:13,359 --> 00:56:16,079 extenduating circumstances just the, you 1427 00:56:16,079 --> 00:56:18,079 know, some of the burden falls on the 1428 00:56:18,079 --> 00:56:20,319 residential taxpayers. Um, we've got, 1429 00:56:20,319 --> 00:56:22,079 you know, a lot of downtown buildings 1430 00:56:22,079 --> 00:56:23,599 that have pilot agreements and things 1431 00:56:23,599 --> 00:56:24,880 like that. So, it makes it more 1432 00:56:24,880 --> 00:56:27,680 difficult. But um you know and I don't 1433 00:56:27,680 --> 00:56:29,359 know how that that's also something that 1434 00:56:29,359 --> 00:56:31,040 working with an outside agency we want 1435 00:56:31,040 --> 00:56:33,119 to know how that would affect um some of 1436 00:56:33,119 --> 00:56:34,960 the pilot agreements if we're you know 1437 00:56:34,960 --> 00:56:36,960 changing cuz some of them are based on 1438 00:56:36,960 --> 00:56:39,599 the land value of the property and then 1439 00:56:39,599 --> 00:56:41,200 a certain percentage of the building 1440 00:56:41,200 --> 00:56:42,400 itself. 1441 00:56:42,400 --> 00:56:44,160 >> Um and so I don't I don't necessarily 1442 00:56:44,160 --> 00:56:46,160 know how all that works either. 1443 00:56:46,160 --> 00:56:49,280 >> So but yeah I in answer to your question 1444 00:56:49,280 --> 00:56:51,760 it's I I don't wouldn't want to rush 1445 00:56:51,760 --> 00:56:52,400 anything. 1446 00:56:52,400 --> 00:56:55,200 >> Okay. Thank you. So, 1447 00:56:55,200 --> 00:56:58,000 >> um, then also I'd like to to snapshot 1448 00:56:58,000 --> 00:56:59,520 having discussions at the council table. 1449 00:56:59,520 --> 00:57:01,040 I imagine there are a lot of different 1450 00:57:01,040 --> 00:57:03,119 parameters to your job that would be 1451 00:57:03,119 --> 00:57:04,960 beneficial to a council member. So, I 1452 00:57:04,960 --> 00:57:07,200 hope u moving forward the opportunities 1453 00:57:07,200 --> 00:57:08,799 to shadow uh your office would be 1454 00:57:08,799 --> 00:57:10,480 entertained by the mayor's office. I 1455 00:57:10,480 --> 00:57:12,480 know for myself just looking to broaden 1456 00:57:12,480 --> 00:57:14,160 my understandings so I can make the best 1457 00:57:14,160 --> 00:57:16,960 informed decision. Um, Miss Porto. Oh, 1458 00:57:16,960 --> 00:57:19,440 >> so kind of I was want a similar question 1459 00:57:19,440 --> 00:57:21,920 to what Miss Patrick asked in Taiwan. So 1460 00:57:21,920 --> 00:57:24,480 you've answered that, but in terms of 1461 00:57:24,480 --> 00:57:26,160 you mentioned that um people aren't 1462 00:57:26,160 --> 00:57:28,880 pulling build billing building permits. 1463 00:57:28,880 --> 00:57:30,960 So is that something that we that needs 1464 00:57:30,960 --> 00:57:32,799 to be focused on? I won't say we because 1465 00:57:32,799 --> 00:57:34,720 it's not our admin that's administrative 1466 00:57:34,720 --> 00:57:36,400 responsibility, but is that something 1467 00:57:36,400 --> 00:57:39,119 that we need to focus more on um in 1468 00:57:39,119 --> 00:57:40,559 terms of making sure people are pulling 1469 00:57:40,559 --> 00:57:41,920 the permits? Is that something that 1470 00:57:41,920 --> 00:57:43,920 would be helpful? 1471 00:57:43,920 --> 00:57:45,760 >> Yes. And yeah. Yes. I mean, I was going 1472 00:57:45,760 --> 00:57:48,319 to say yes because, you know, it gives 1473 00:57:48,319 --> 00:57:50,640 us the opportunity to then we don't 1474 00:57:50,640 --> 00:57:52,160 always get in the building, but we find 1475 00:57:52,160 --> 00:57:55,119 out information about the building. 1476 00:57:55,119 --> 00:57:57,760 >> Yeah, it's I mean it's plus it's really 1477 00:57:57,760 --> 00:57:59,599 like a life safety issue. 1478 00:57:59,599 --> 00:58:01,839 >> Um we do when we come upon things like 1479 00:58:01,839 --> 00:58:04,400 that, we refer them to the codes office 1480 00:58:04,400 --> 00:58:06,319 so then they go out and take a look and 1481 00:58:06,319 --> 00:58:08,480 see. Sometimes sometimes we find out 1482 00:58:08,480 --> 00:58:09,680 work was done but it's really just 1483 00:58:09,680 --> 00:58:11,359 painful you know it's nothing it's 1484 00:58:11,359 --> 00:58:13,040 nothing that would rise to the occasion 1485 00:58:13,040 --> 00:58:16,000 of um a code you know work or for us to 1486 00:58:16,000 --> 00:58:17,920 even possibly entertain evaluation 1487 00:58:17,920 --> 00:58:18,880 change. 1488 00:58:18,880 --> 00:58:21,119 >> Um but we at least try to refer so that 1489 00:58:21,119 --> 00:58:23,599 the codes office is aware. 1490 00:58:23,599 --> 00:58:25,119 >> And my other comment I mentioned this 1491 00:58:25,119 --> 00:58:26,640 before at the council table and I'll 1492 00:58:26,640 --> 00:58:27,839 bring it up again is we getting ready to 1493 00:58:27,839 --> 00:58:29,680 go into budget discussions. I think we 1494 00:58:29,680 --> 00:58:30,960 really do need to have to look at our 1495 00:58:30,960 --> 00:58:32,880 pilots. Um we've heard it's going to be 1496 00:58:32,880 --> 00:58:36,880 a tough budget. So um pilots are 1497 00:58:36,880 --> 00:58:40,000 uh pretty substantial in our city. So, 1498 00:58:40,000 --> 00:58:41,520 we should take a look at that. I know 1499 00:58:41,520 --> 00:58:43,359 that pilots are done through metro cuts, 1500 00:58:43,359 --> 00:58:45,040 etc., but I think we need to take a look 1501 00:58:45,040 --> 00:58:48,240 at um how that impacts our residents, 1502 00:58:48,240 --> 00:58:50,079 how impacts the city overall in terms of 1503 00:58:50,079 --> 00:58:51,920 taxes. And as we're going through this 1504 00:58:51,920 --> 00:58:53,599 process of budgeting, we take a look at 1505 00:58:53,599 --> 00:58:55,760 the pilots, how many we have, what they 1506 00:58:55,760 --> 00:58:57,280 look like, and all that. So, just want 1507 00:58:57,280 --> 00:58:59,599 to just repeat that again. Uh I know 1508 00:58:59,599 --> 00:59:00,799 it's going to be a difficult and 1509 00:59:00,799 --> 00:59:03,280 challenging conversation, but uh one 1510 00:59:03,280 --> 00:59:05,440 that really needs to happen. you hear 1511 00:59:05,440 --> 00:59:08,480 about our equaliz equalization rate and 1512 00:59:08,480 --> 00:59:10,079 how things are just impacting our city 1513 00:59:10,079 --> 00:59:11,839 overall. So, I think we have to look at 1514 00:59:11,839 --> 00:59:13,280 the big picture. Even if we're not doing 1515 00:59:13,280 --> 00:59:14,960 this until next year, we can look at 1516 00:59:14,960 --> 00:59:18,079 pilots this year. 1517 00:59:18,079 --> 00:59:21,200 >> Uh any other questions or comments? Uh 1518 00:59:21,200 --> 00:59:22,960 so, this was no action required. Thank 1519 00:59:22,960 --> 00:59:24,960 you for the update, Miss. 1520 00:59:24,960 --> 00:59:26,079 >> Thank you very much. 1521 00:59:26,079 --> 00:59:29,040 >> Um the last agenda item is homes 1522 00:59:29,040 --> 00:59:38,870 American Rescue Plan uh award. 1523 00:59:38,880 --> 00:59:42,559 So the uh the Ski Detroit Colony Home 1524 00:59:42,559 --> 00:59:44,079 Consortium received a one-time 1525 00:59:44,079 --> 00:59:46,559 allocation of home federal funds in the 1526 00:59:46,559 --> 00:59:49,440 fiscal year 2021 as part of the rescue 1527 00:59:49,440 --> 00:59:51,920 American Rescue Plan Act. Uh the 1528 00:59:51,920 --> 00:59:54,240 consortium has committed one uh 1529 00:59:54,240 --> 00:59:56,160 $1,700,000 1530 00:59:56,160 --> 00:59:58,960 in Hallmark funds to the YWCA 1531 00:59:58,960 --> 01:00:00,880 of Skenctity doing business errors 1532 01:00:00,880 --> 01:00:03,760 northeastern New York to construct and 1533 01:00:03,760 --> 01:00:06,000 rehabilitate affordable rental units in 1534 01:00:06,000 --> 01:00:09,119 the Harbor House project. The project is 1535 01:00:09,119 --> 01:00:12,160 expected to close on September 24th, 1536 01:00:12,160 --> 01:00:14,720 2025 with a proposed construction start 1537 01:00:14,720 --> 01:00:17,839 date of October 1st, 2025. 1538 01:00:17,839 --> 01:00:19,839 Uh the city of Skin Equity as a lead 1539 01:00:19,839 --> 01:00:22,319 entity um does require a resolution to 1540 01:00:22,319 --> 01:00:24,640 be passed awarding the Hallmark funds in 1541 01:00:24,640 --> 01:00:27,760 the amount of $1,700,000 1542 01:00:27,760 --> 01:00:30,240 to the YW.CA. 1543 01:00:30,240 --> 01:00:31,839 >> Thank you. 1544 01:00:31,839 --> 01:00:33,440 >> Is this the project that we've also 1545 01:00:33,440 --> 01:00:35,680 allocated ARPA funds to as well? 1546 01:00:35,680 --> 01:00:36,799 >> Yes, it is. 1547 01:00:36,799 --> 01:00:39,040 >> And uh this amount of money, is this our 1548 01:00:39,040 --> 01:00:42,319 portion of the um consortium money? 1549 01:00:42,319 --> 01:00:44,240 >> Uh yes. So um the consort the home 1550 01:00:44,240 --> 01:00:46,480 consortium is all three of us together. 1551 01:00:46,480 --> 01:00:47,839 They award the projects together as 1552 01:00:47,839 --> 01:00:48,079 well. 1553 01:00:48,079 --> 01:00:49,839 >> So they all we all awarded. So there's 1554 01:00:49,839 --> 01:00:50,720 no other money. 1555 01:00:50,720 --> 01:00:51,839 >> Yeah. For the homeland. Yes. 1556 01:00:51,839 --> 01:00:54,480 >> Okay. I thought it was just our version. 1557 01:00:54,480 --> 01:00:55,680 >> Yeah. I believe there were other 1558 01:00:55,680 --> 01:00:57,359 projects that were previously awarded as 1559 01:00:57,359 --> 01:00:57,599 well. 1560 01:00:57,599 --> 01:00:59,680 >> Oh, there. So this is what's So 1561 01:00:59,680 --> 01:01:01,119 >> So this is just what was already 1562 01:01:01,119 --> 01:01:03,520 previously um allocated specifically for 1563 01:01:03,520 --> 01:01:05,200 this project, but we are not allowed to 1564 01:01:05,200 --> 01:01:07,839 award the funds until after all other 1565 01:01:07,839 --> 01:01:10,400 financials are put in place. 1566 01:01:10,400 --> 01:01:12,000 >> Okay. So now they're ready to go. 1567 01:01:12,000 --> 01:01:12,480 >> Yep. 1568 01:01:12,480 --> 01:01:14,960 >> Mhm. Okay. Any other questions or 1569 01:01:14,960 --> 01:01:17,040 comments? Hearing none. I have a motion. 1570 01:01:17,040 --> 01:01:17,599 >> So moved. 1571 01:01:17,599 --> 01:01:20,640 >> I'll second. All those in favor? I. U. 1572 01:01:20,640 --> 01:01:21,760 There are no other items that will 1573 01:01:21,760 --> 01:01:22,799 follow the finance committee. May I have 1574 01:01:22,799 --> 01:01:24,000 a motion to adjourn? 1575 01:01:24,000 --> 01:01:24,720 >> So moved. 1576 01:01:24,720 --> 01:01:28,079 >> I'll second. All those in favor? I 1577 01:01:28,079 --> 01:01:29,920 >> um so I'd like to open health and 1578 01:01:29,920 --> 01:01:31,520 recreation. We have one item on the 1579 01:01:31,520 --> 01:01:33,839 agenda. I do want to say we just got the 1580 01:01:33,839 --> 01:01:37,040 material and legislative request today 1581 01:01:37,040 --> 01:01:39,040 um for this. Um it was on the agenda 1582 01:01:39,040 --> 01:01:41,040 that we received the other day, but we 1583 01:01:41,040 --> 01:01:44,640 just got the material today. Um 1584 01:01:44,640 --> 01:01:47,040 a legislative request and um the 1585 01:01:47,040 --> 01:01:48,799 background information just came with 1586 01:01:48,799 --> 01:01:51,839 today's materials. So, I know that we're 1587 01:01:51,839 --> 01:01:55,280 supposed to have more lead time. Um 1588 01:01:55,280 --> 01:01:56,400 it's not the first time it's ever 1589 01:01:56,400 --> 01:01:57,359 happened with 1590 01:01:57,359 --> 01:01:58,559 >> I understand that. I just wanted to 1591 01:01:58,559 --> 01:02:00,079 point that out. So, I'm going to say 1592 01:02:00,079 --> 01:02:03,760 let's move ahead. Um if you'd like to 1593 01:02:03,760 --> 01:02:05,520 take the floor. 1594 01:02:05,520 --> 01:02:09,920 >> Certainly. Certainly. Um so last week um 1595 01:02:09,920 --> 01:02:13,040 I attended a town hall meeting that was 1596 01:02:13,040 --> 01:02:16,880 uh held at uh Sunni Skenctity um where 1597 01:02:16,880 --> 01:02:20,160 the conversation was about uh surgical 1598 01:02:20,160 --> 01:02:22,799 services being removed from Belle uh 1599 01:02:22,799 --> 01:02:25,440 Belle Hospital Women's Center and some 1600 01:02:25,440 --> 01:02:26,880 of those services being transferred over 1601 01:02:26,880 --> 01:02:30,640 to Ellis Hospital. um the nurses that 1602 01:02:30,640 --> 01:02:33,040 were there um were expressing a lot of 1603 01:02:33,040 --> 01:02:35,680 concerns around um how this can impact 1604 01:02:35,680 --> 01:02:39,599 people's uh access to health care. Um 1605 01:02:39,599 --> 01:02:42,799 and this is kind of you know something 1606 01:02:42,799 --> 01:02:45,200 that is really going to impact people 1607 01:02:45,200 --> 01:02:48,160 that live in the city of Skenity. Um, 1608 01:02:48,160 --> 01:02:49,839 and I just wanted to make sure that, you 1609 01:02:49,839 --> 01:02:52,480 know, we as a council um, had a 1610 01:02:52,480 --> 01:02:54,720 discussion about this and possibly uh, 1611 01:02:54,720 --> 01:02:56,319 bringing resolution in support of 1612 01:02:56,319 --> 01:02:58,960 leaving the surgical services um, at 1613 01:02:58,960 --> 01:03:01,280 Bell's Women's Center. 1614 01:03:01,280 --> 01:03:03,760 >> So, oh, I don't have to raise my hand. 1615 01:03:03,760 --> 01:03:05,920 Um, I'd like to say that I'm not in 1616 01:03:05,920 --> 01:03:08,160 support of um, having that kind of a 1617 01:03:08,160 --> 01:03:10,559 resolution. And I think that we really 1618 01:03:10,559 --> 01:03:12,880 need to continue to understand that 1619 01:03:12,880 --> 01:03:15,440 Ellis has been having financial um 1620 01:03:15,440 --> 01:03:17,760 issues and I respect that the doctors 1621 01:03:17,760 --> 01:03:20,480 and the administrators who um are in 1622 01:03:20,480 --> 01:03:22,880 charge there um which is of course a 1623 01:03:22,880 --> 01:03:25,359 private company um have made this 1624 01:03:25,359 --> 01:03:29,119 decision um as a way to bring in more 1625 01:03:29,119 --> 01:03:31,760 efficiencies u make sure that they're 1626 01:03:31,760 --> 01:03:33,920 following as much cost reduction as they 1627 01:03:33,920 --> 01:03:36,079 can. It's my understanding that no 1628 01:03:36,079 --> 01:03:38,400 services will be lost. the women's 1629 01:03:38,400 --> 01:03:41,200 health services will continue um at 1630 01:03:41,200 --> 01:03:46,480 Belleview. Um neither of the surgical um 1631 01:03:46,480 --> 01:03:48,240 neither of them are being used to 1632 01:03:48,240 --> 01:03:50,400 capacity at this point. So I think Ellis 1633 01:03:50,400 --> 01:03:52,720 is really making this decision in order 1634 01:03:52,720 --> 01:03:55,839 to try to bring more efficiencies uh to 1635 01:03:55,839 --> 01:03:59,440 the operation overall of Ellis Hospital. 1636 01:03:59,440 --> 01:04:03,200 Um so for me the bottom line is that and 1637 01:04:03,200 --> 01:04:04,720 I know we've had these discussions in 1638 01:04:04,720 --> 01:04:06,400 the past when we had to you know make 1639 01:04:06,400 --> 01:04:08,720 the decision about well we also came to 1640 01:04:08,720 --> 01:04:12,400 the table about McCullen um I don't want 1641 01:04:12,400 --> 01:04:14,240 to lose Ellis hospital I think that 1642 01:04:14,240 --> 01:04:16,319 would really be a problem for the 1643 01:04:16,319 --> 01:04:18,319 residents of Skenctity to not have a 1644 01:04:18,319 --> 01:04:21,680 hospital um and so I would support the 1645 01:04:21,680 --> 01:04:23,760 decision-m of the people in charge at 1646 01:04:23,760 --> 01:04:28,400 Ellis um to you know support that they 1647 01:04:28,400 --> 01:04:31,359 need to do this um in terms of the 1648 01:04:31,359 --> 01:04:33,599 deficiencies. 1649 01:04:33,599 --> 01:04:39,200 >> Oh, Miss Portfield. So, um for me, you you you framed it as the you know, 1650 01:04:39,200 --> 01:04:40,720 dollars and cents and I'd like to frame 1651 01:04:40,720 --> 01:04:42,160 it in terms of the health of the 1652 01:04:42,160 --> 01:04:46,720 patients who are use women all women at 1653 01:04:46,720 --> 01:04:48,960 who use these services. So, we 1654 01:04:48,960 --> 01:04:51,440 understand that um there's financial 1655 01:04:51,440 --> 01:04:53,920 implications. However, people's health 1656 01:04:53,920 --> 01:04:56,799 is also impacted by this. And there's 1657 01:04:56,799 --> 01:04:58,960 certain communities who if they're not 1658 01:04:58,960 --> 01:05:00,319 have the ability to get the services 1659 01:05:00,319 --> 01:05:02,720 locally, then you know, getting to 1660 01:05:02,720 --> 01:05:04,640 someplace else becomes a challenge. And 1661 01:05:04,640 --> 01:05:06,400 I also want to point out that when this 1662 01:05:06,400 --> 01:05:09,280 started, it was we're not going to we're 1663 01:05:09,280 --> 01:05:11,200 not going to impact Bel. We're not going 1664 01:05:11,200 --> 01:05:12,720 to there's things that that were not 1665 01:05:12,720 --> 01:05:14,880 going to that are now happening. And as 1666 01:05:14,880 --> 01:05:16,640 this began with Ellis, well, actually, 1667 01:05:16,640 --> 01:05:18,880 it's now really Trinity that's over all 1668 01:05:18,880 --> 01:05:22,559 of this. as as this was um happening, we 1669 01:05:22,559 --> 01:05:25,680 keep seeing fewer and fewer services 1670 01:05:25,680 --> 01:05:27,839 being offered or cut back. You can't get 1671 01:05:27,839 --> 01:05:29,920 dental at Alice anymore. I don't know if 1672 01:05:29,920 --> 01:05:31,440 you know that. So, now that pushes that 1673 01:05:31,440 --> 01:05:33,280 all of that over to a place where 1674 01:05:33,280 --> 01:05:35,839 currently they have like a sixmonth 1675 01:05:35,839 --> 01:05:38,559 waiting list. So, we are talking about 1676 01:05:38,559 --> 01:05:41,280 impacting individuals health and I want 1677 01:05:41,280 --> 01:05:43,839 to separate it from our uh pre prior 1678 01:05:43,839 --> 01:05:45,039 conversation when we talked about 1679 01:05:45,039 --> 01:05:47,760 staffing. So I'd like us to look at this 1680 01:05:47,760 --> 01:05:49,359 in terms of the health of the 1681 01:05:49,359 --> 01:05:50,960 individuals who will be impacted by 1682 01:05:50,960 --> 01:05:54,000 this. And um while we talk about how the 1683 01:05:54,000 --> 01:05:56,319 administrators and the doctors make all 1684 01:05:56,319 --> 01:06:00,000 these decisions, we were at the um press 1685 01:06:00,000 --> 01:06:01,760 conference that was called by NISA, the 1686 01:06:01,760 --> 01:06:03,760 New York State nurses, and nurses, 1687 01:06:03,760 --> 01:06:05,200 there's more nurses in the hospital than 1688 01:06:05,200 --> 01:06:07,119 there are doctors. So the nurses are 1689 01:06:07,119 --> 01:06:08,720 talking about how this impacts them. So 1690 01:06:08,720 --> 01:06:10,240 I think we should also listen to the 1691 01:06:10,240 --> 01:06:12,319 folks who are on the ground every day, 1692 01:06:12,319 --> 01:06:14,720 many of them, and how this is impacting. 1693 01:06:14,720 --> 01:06:16,079 We understand that the administrators 1694 01:06:16,079 --> 01:06:18,960 get to make the decision but the the 1695 01:06:18,960 --> 01:06:20,640 people who are impacted on they they 1696 01:06:20,640 --> 01:06:22,720 their voice also should be heard and for 1697 01:06:22,720 --> 01:06:24,960 them this is a major concern and I'm 1698 01:06:24,960 --> 01:06:27,680 concerned about it as well um about the 1699 01:06:27,680 --> 01:06:29,119 kind of services that they want to cut 1700 01:06:29,119 --> 01:06:31,359 back as we see and we should also look 1701 01:06:31,359 --> 01:06:33,119 at what this particular agency has done 1702 01:06:33,119 --> 01:06:35,839 with other hospitals across uh across 1703 01:06:35,839 --> 01:06:38,960 the state. So, I'm I'm I'm supportive of 1704 01:06:38,960 --> 01:06:40,240 this because we're talking about 1705 01:06:40,240 --> 01:06:43,039 people's health and health concerns and 1706 01:06:43,039 --> 01:06:45,920 we can't always make that about dollars 1707 01:06:45,920 --> 01:06:46,640 and cents. 1708 01:06:46,640 --> 01:06:48,400 >> I think though that none of the women's 1709 01:06:48,400 --> 01:06:50,720 health services that are happening at 1710 01:06:50,720 --> 01:06:52,559 Belleview are going to be affected. They 1711 01:06:52,559 --> 01:06:54,960 still will be maintained at Belleview. 1712 01:06:54,960 --> 01:06:58,079 Um they also um mimography all the 1713 01:06:58,079 --> 01:07:00,559 maternity um services other women's 1714 01:07:00,559 --> 01:07:02,000 health services are going to be 1715 01:07:02,000 --> 01:07:04,480 remaining at Belleview as well as if 1716 01:07:04,480 --> 01:07:06,160 someone needed to have emergency 1717 01:07:06,160 --> 01:07:08,480 C-section if someone needed to have a 1718 01:07:08,480 --> 01:07:10,559 life-saving emergency surgery that would 1719 01:07:10,559 --> 01:07:13,680 remain at Belleview. Um 1720 01:07:13,680 --> 01:07:14,799 >> well I'm just going to say 1721 01:07:14,799 --> 01:07:15,839 >> I think we're hearing I think we're 1722 01:07:15,839 --> 01:07:18,880 hearing from different folks. Um so so 1723 01:07:18,880 --> 01:07:20,960 again I also want to say that I don't 1724 01:07:20,960 --> 01:07:22,480 think it's the responsibility of the 1725 01:07:22,480 --> 01:07:25,359 city council to necessarily be passing a 1726 01:07:25,359 --> 01:07:29,280 resolution um about the hospital. So 1727 01:07:29,280 --> 01:07:31,039 that's that's also what I feel but I 1728 01:07:31,039 --> 01:07:32,400 think the bottom line that we all have 1729 01:07:32,400 --> 01:07:35,599 to keep into in mind is we have to make 1730 01:07:35,599 --> 01:07:38,319 sure that Ellis remains open. 1731 01:07:38,319 --> 01:07:39,280 >> So my 1732 01:07:39,280 --> 01:07:40,079 >> Mr. file. 1733 01:07:40,079 --> 01:07:43,839 >> Certainly. So, a few things. Um, 1734 01:07:43,839 --> 01:07:45,680 I guess my my question to you is that 1735 01:07:45,680 --> 01:07:47,280 where did you get that information cuz 1736 01:07:47,280 --> 01:07:49,520 some of the information that you stated 1737 01:07:49,520 --> 01:07:51,760 earlier um I don't believe you in the 1738 01:07:51,760 --> 01:07:53,039 beginning was Agnes. So, I'm trying to 1739 01:07:53,039 --> 01:07:55,119 figure out maybe where did you get that 1740 01:07:55,119 --> 01:07:56,559 information? Who because I do agree 1741 01:07:56,559 --> 01:07:57,680 probably been talking to different 1742 01:07:57,680 --> 01:07:59,440 people. So, who where did you get that 1743 01:07:59,440 --> 01:07:59,760 information? 1744 01:07:59,760 --> 01:08:01,520 >> I got the information from leadership at 1745 01:08:01,520 --> 01:08:02,160 Ellis. 1746 01:08:02,160 --> 01:08:04,240 >> Okay. Okay. And I also would like to 1747 01:08:04,240 --> 01:08:05,920 suggest that we I'm sure we could 1748 01:08:05,920 --> 01:08:09,680 probably invite um folks to come in and 1749 01:08:09,680 --> 01:08:10,880 talk to us as well. 1750 01:08:10,880 --> 01:08:13,440 >> I'm I'm always open like even now I'm 1751 01:08:13,440 --> 01:08:15,359 always open to uh hearing from folks to 1752 01:08:15,359 --> 01:08:17,600 help us make an informed decision. Um 1753 01:08:17,600 --> 01:08:19,920 did in that information did they let you 1754 01:08:19,920 --> 01:08:21,759 know that there would be 14 nurses jobs 1755 01:08:21,759 --> 01:08:23,440 being laid off as a result of this? 1756 01:08:23,440 --> 01:08:25,120 >> What I've heard is that the 14 1757 01:08:25,120 --> 01:08:27,920 individuals were offered um jobs at 1758 01:08:27,920 --> 01:08:30,719 Ellis at equal or greater salaries than 1759 01:08:30,719 --> 01:08:32,799 they actually were currently making. So, 1760 01:08:32,799 --> 01:08:34,560 and some of them have left and gone to 1761 01:08:34,560 --> 01:08:38,799 other places. Um, but yeah, that's 1762 01:08:38,799 --> 01:08:40,159 >> that's what you that's what you get 1763 01:08:40,159 --> 01:08:40,799 told. 1764 01:08:40,799 --> 01:08:42,319 >> Okay. So, the thing is that some of 1765 01:08:42,319 --> 01:08:44,239 those positions are are very specialized 1766 01:08:44,239 --> 01:08:46,080 position and I don't know how you know 1767 01:08:46,080 --> 01:08:47,759 when the last time that you've been to 1768 01:08:47,759 --> 01:08:50,159 Ellis um and I don't know if you're 1769 01:08:50,159 --> 01:08:52,640 aware um that the 1770 01:08:52,640 --> 01:08:53,600 >> I have had to go down. 1771 01:08:53,600 --> 01:08:56,239 >> Right. Right. So, yeah. So I think you 1772 01:08:56,239 --> 01:08:57,279 know I don't know if you're aware that 1773 01:08:57,279 --> 01:08:59,520 we have some of the uh longest wait 1774 01:08:59,520 --> 01:09:01,279 times in the state are right here in the 1775 01:09:01,279 --> 01:09:05,279 capital district. So, so the information 1776 01:09:05,279 --> 01:09:08,560 um and and what we were told and and was 1777 01:09:08,560 --> 01:09:10,080 really highlighted was the fact that you 1778 01:09:10,080 --> 01:09:12,640 know um the consolidation of services 1779 01:09:12,640 --> 01:09:15,920 there um to an already overburdened 1780 01:09:15,920 --> 01:09:18,640 understaffed uh facility can have really 1781 01:09:18,640 --> 01:09:20,400 dire consequences for people who are 1782 01:09:20,400 --> 01:09:23,520 there to seek these sometimes very uh uh 1783 01:09:23,520 --> 01:09:25,600 you know life-threatening uh uh 1784 01:09:25,600 --> 01:09:31,040 complications. So I highly doubt that uh 1785 01:09:31,040 --> 01:09:33,199 the people who you know often we talk in 1786 01:09:33,199 --> 01:09:36,719 this space about listening to the staff 1787 01:09:36,719 --> 01:09:39,120 and the people and and and give off here 1788 01:09:39,120 --> 01:09:40,960 in city hall and offering them a level 1789 01:09:40,960 --> 01:09:43,359 of difference because they have the 1790 01:09:43,359 --> 01:09:45,520 close you know proximity to the work 1791 01:09:45,520 --> 01:09:47,759 that they do. Um I don't think that 1792 01:09:47,759 --> 01:09:49,839 there's anyone who uh has more close 1793 01:09:49,839 --> 01:09:53,120 proximity uh than the nurses um and the 1794 01:09:53,120 --> 01:09:55,520 specialized nurses who have been in in 1795 01:09:55,520 --> 01:09:57,280 work in the wellness center some of them 1796 01:09:57,280 --> 01:10:00,560 for well over 15 years um who had very 1797 01:10:00,560 --> 01:10:03,760 uh clear um issue and were outlining it 1798 01:10:03,760 --> 01:10:05,440 really really clear to us. So I just so 1799 01:10:05,440 --> 01:10:06,560 I guess the point I'm trying to make 1800 01:10:06,560 --> 01:10:08,880 here is that we often give a level of 1801 01:10:08,880 --> 01:10:10,239 difference to people based on their 1802 01:10:10,239 --> 01:10:11,679 proximity to an issue when we do it 1803 01:10:11,679 --> 01:10:13,360 in-house here. And I would think that 1804 01:10:13,360 --> 01:10:15,920 they would deserve their deserve that 1805 01:10:15,920 --> 01:10:18,239 same level of difference. Um, in fact, 1806 01:10:18,239 --> 01:10:21,360 even more, I think that we have to, it's 1807 01:10:21,360 --> 01:10:23,920 not, when you say that we shouldn't be 1808 01:10:23,920 --> 01:10:25,600 making, you know, decisions about a 1809 01:10:25,600 --> 01:10:28,960 hospital, it's not really the decision 1810 01:10:28,960 --> 01:10:30,880 we're making the decision I'm bringing 1811 01:10:30,880 --> 01:10:32,320 this forward because of the impact that 1812 01:10:32,320 --> 01:10:33,520 it has on the people that live in the 1813 01:10:33,520 --> 01:10:36,400 city of Connecticut. Um, if this was a 1814 01:10:36,400 --> 01:10:38,080 decision that was based on what type of 1815 01:10:38,080 --> 01:10:39,120 food that they want to have in the 1816 01:10:39,120 --> 01:10:40,480 vending machines, I definitely wouldn't 1817 01:10:40,480 --> 01:10:42,159 be bringing this forward. Even though I 1818 01:10:42,159 --> 01:10:44,080 do have strong opinions on snacks, I 1819 01:10:44,080 --> 01:10:45,679 would just say that the people that when 1820 01:10:45,679 --> 01:10:48,560 this is something that can be um life or 1821 01:10:48,560 --> 01:10:50,400 death situation for the women, 1822 01:10:50,400 --> 01:10:52,320 especially lowincome women from 1823 01:10:52,320 --> 01:10:53,600 marginalized community and cities 1824 01:10:53,600 --> 01:10:55,679 connected, we can't ignore that there's 1825 01:10:55,679 --> 01:10:58,000 that through line and how and our 1826 01:10:58,000 --> 01:10:59,679 obligation to make sure that we're 1827 01:10:59,679 --> 01:11:01,120 advocating for them. That's what I would 1828 01:11:01,120 --> 01:11:03,360 say, 1829 01:11:03,360 --> 01:11:05,520 >> Mr. Williams. Yeah, I think it was a 1830 01:11:05,520 --> 01:11:07,760 point important designation to make that 1831 01:11:07,760 --> 01:11:11,360 Miss Porterfield uh captioned slightly 1832 01:11:11,360 --> 01:11:14,400 the truth that Ellis and what we know of 1833 01:11:14,400 --> 01:11:17,120 it to exist in our community no longer 1834 01:11:17,120 --> 01:11:19,440 exists and that amid these merger 1835 01:11:19,440 --> 01:11:21,920 discussions there are two entities but 1836 01:11:21,920 --> 01:11:23,440 one of those is going to convert to the 1837 01:11:23,440 --> 01:11:25,280 other and in this respect that is 1838 01:11:25,280 --> 01:11:27,760 Trinity Health Systems and St. Peters 1839 01:11:27,760 --> 01:11:30,159 Health Partners which is a functioning 1840 01:11:30,159 --> 01:11:32,080 under that. Um, so I think it's our 1841 01:11:32,080 --> 01:11:33,520 responsibility as a community to 1842 01:11:33,520 --> 01:11:35,440 understand what that means and what that 1843 01:11:35,440 --> 01:11:38,480 means for our residents. Um, I'm glad 1844 01:11:38,480 --> 01:11:40,239 you referenced previous discussions 1845 01:11:40,239 --> 01:11:42,640 around Ellis Hospital with respect to 1846 01:11:42,640 --> 01:11:44,480 staffing. We had an opportunity as a 1847 01:11:44,480 --> 01:11:47,679 council to support legislation to 1848 01:11:47,679 --> 01:11:49,679 empower or influence those discussions 1849 01:11:49,679 --> 01:11:51,840 for the nurses and we have seen for 1850 01:11:51,840 --> 01:11:53,280 whatever reason that those conditions 1851 01:11:53,280 --> 01:11:55,199 are getting worse. Um, we are now 1852 01:11:55,199 --> 01:11:56,800 presented with another opportunity to 1853 01:11:56,800 --> 01:11:59,840 advocate for the uh remaining of 1854 01:11:59,840 --> 01:12:02,719 services within this facility that saw 1855 01:12:02,719 --> 01:12:04,480 birth my daughter, my my youngest 1856 01:12:04,480 --> 01:12:07,360 daughter. And as we've heard from that 1857 01:12:07,360 --> 01:12:10,000 meeting in that event uh at Sunni 1858 01:12:10,000 --> 01:12:12,400 Skenctity, uh there's cause for more 1859 01:12:12,400 --> 01:12:14,400 concern that those services will not be 1860 01:12:14,400 --> 01:12:16,080 present. And I know that we have two 1861 01:12:16,080 --> 01:12:19,440 different um sources of information. I 1862 01:12:19,440 --> 01:12:21,440 would happily welcome a special meeting 1863 01:12:21,440 --> 01:12:23,679 where both parties were invited. Um 1864 01:12:23,679 --> 01:12:25,840 because as elected officials within the 1865 01:12:25,840 --> 01:12:28,000 city of Skenctity, I sincerely believe 1866 01:12:28,000 --> 01:12:30,800 it is our utmost responsibility to hear 1867 01:12:30,800 --> 01:12:34,239 these concerns with uh an open and 1868 01:12:34,239 --> 01:12:36,000 responsive ear and knowing that we have 1869 01:12:36,000 --> 01:12:37,840 to use these positions to benefit the 1870 01:12:37,840 --> 01:12:39,760 residents of the community. And I do 1871 01:12:39,760 --> 01:12:41,199 believe this is well within our our 1872 01:12:41,199 --> 01:12:42,960 purview. And I think we're starting to 1873 01:12:42,960 --> 01:12:45,199 see these types of discussions promoted 1874 01:12:45,199 --> 01:12:47,920 more um with sincerity to the to the to 1875 01:12:47,920 --> 01:12:49,679 the understanding of community schools 1876 01:12:49,679 --> 01:12:51,360 and that if we leave these types of 1877 01:12:51,360 --> 01:12:53,600 decisions to one agency that is when we 1878 01:12:53,600 --> 01:12:55,760 do ourselves a disservice. I think it is 1879 01:12:55,760 --> 01:12:58,640 as we remain responsive and continue to 1880 01:12:58,640 --> 01:13:00,400 receive information. I think we should 1881 01:13:00,400 --> 01:13:02,320 welcome these types of conversations. Um 1882 01:13:02,320 --> 01:13:04,800 but I agree having both entities present 1883 01:13:04,800 --> 01:13:06,880 and and capturing that and a framework 1884 01:13:06,880 --> 01:13:08,320 that includes us all at the table. I 1885 01:13:08,320 --> 01:13:09,520 think that is important and I would 1886 01:13:09,520 --> 01:13:12,960 happily support that. 1887 01:13:12,960 --> 01:13:16,960 Yeah, Mr. B. Yeah, I would just uh I 1888 01:13:16,960 --> 01:13:19,440 would just add that, you know, I think 1889 01:13:19,440 --> 01:13:21,760 as we're listening and gathering 1890 01:13:21,760 --> 01:13:23,920 information, you know, we also have to 1891 01:13:23,920 --> 01:13:26,560 look at, you know, what, you know, the 1892 01:13:26,560 --> 01:13:29,040 intentions are um and really the 1893 01:13:29,040 --> 01:13:30,719 messenger matters on this, like what, 1894 01:13:30,719 --> 01:13:32,880 you know, someone's intention is and 1895 01:13:32,880 --> 01:13:34,400 what the how they're making 1896 01:13:34,400 --> 01:13:37,360 calculations. And I think that in this 1897 01:13:37,360 --> 01:13:41,120 uh entity right now has made some uh 1898 01:13:41,120 --> 01:13:44,080 some decisions that might be really 1899 01:13:44,080 --> 01:13:47,679 based on revenue and other parts of the 1900 01:13:47,679 --> 01:13:50,000 state that have really impacted uh 1901 01:13:50,000 --> 01:13:52,480 communities and especially uh lowincome 1902 01:13:52,480 --> 01:13:54,800 communities um and communities of color 1903 01:13:54,800 --> 01:13:57,679 in particular. And based on that, you 1904 01:13:57,679 --> 01:14:00,080 know, I think that, you know, we really 1905 01:14:00,080 --> 01:14:02,400 want to look at how are people making 1906 01:14:02,400 --> 01:14:06,719 their decisions. And me personally, I'm 1907 01:14:06,719 --> 01:14:09,760 going to make decisions based on 1908 01:14:09,760 --> 01:14:12,480 in in not not only kind of leaving 1909 01:14:12,480 --> 01:14:14,239 things at the baseline, but increasing 1910 01:14:14,239 --> 01:14:17,600 access uh to healthcare for women in the 1911 01:14:17,600 --> 01:14:20,560 city of Skenctity. And I respect that 1912 01:14:20,560 --> 01:14:22,480 this is a private company. I respect 1913 01:14:22,480 --> 01:14:25,120 that they have, you know, their quotas 1914 01:14:25,120 --> 01:14:28,159 to meet, if you will. However, um I'm 1915 01:14:28,159 --> 01:14:30,080 always going to make sure that um I'm 1916 01:14:30,080 --> 01:14:31,920 making the decisions based on people 1917 01:14:31,920 --> 01:14:34,159 over profits. And I think that they have 1918 01:14:34,159 --> 01:14:36,880 demonstrated um that they make their 1919 01:14:36,880 --> 01:14:39,199 decisions um not in align with that 1920 01:14:39,199 --> 01:14:40,960 based on previous decisions that they've 1921 01:14:40,960 --> 01:14:42,159 made. I think we're going to have to 1922 01:14:42,159 --> 01:14:44,159 agree to disagree on that last point 1923 01:14:44,159 --> 01:14:46,320 because I definitely think that the 1924 01:14:46,320 --> 01:14:49,120 folks are interested in and concerned 1925 01:14:49,120 --> 01:14:51,440 about the health of people in this 1926 01:14:51,440 --> 01:14:54,080 community. And I think in particular um 1927 01:14:54,080 --> 01:14:55,840 the fact that the services will remain 1928 01:14:55,840 --> 01:14:58,960 at Belleview um in terms of women's 1929 01:14:58,960 --> 01:15:02,320 health services um that's you know 1930 01:15:02,320 --> 01:15:04,800 basically showing a concern for women's 1931 01:15:04,800 --> 01:15:08,640 health. However, I also have to say that 1932 01:15:08,640 --> 01:15:11,920 again we have to respect the fact that 1933 01:15:11,920 --> 01:15:13,679 we want to make sure that this hospital 1934 01:15:13,679 --> 01:15:15,360 remains open and we know that they've 1935 01:15:15,360 --> 01:15:17,280 been having fiscal stress. We know that 1936 01:15:17,280 --> 01:15:19,360 the issues that are happening in DC 1937 01:15:19,360 --> 01:15:21,040 around Medicaid and Medicare are going 1938 01:15:21,040 --> 01:15:24,320 to just bring more financial instability 1939 01:15:24,320 --> 01:15:27,120 um to hospitals around this country. Um 1940 01:15:27,120 --> 01:15:30,880 so I think I I remain in my mind um in 1941 01:15:30,880 --> 01:15:34,320 my viewpoint I mean I need to um 1942 01:15:34,320 --> 01:15:36,880 continue supporting um that that 1943 01:15:36,880 --> 01:15:38,640 hospital will stay open. So that's where 1944 01:15:38,640 --> 01:15:39,760 I'm coming from. 1945 01:15:39,760 --> 01:15:41,280 >> So do you want to move forward with the 1946 01:15:41,280 --> 01:15:43,840 um Miss Miss Porterfield? So 1947 01:15:43,840 --> 01:15:48,080 >> okay so just sorry back for clarity sake 1948 01:15:48,080 --> 01:15:49,440 you said that the services are going to 1949 01:15:49,440 --> 01:15:50,880 remain. So they're saying there's going 1950 01:15:50,880 --> 01:15:55,360 to be surgical cuts. So what is what is your understanding of the cuts 1951 01:15:55,360 --> 01:15:56,480 that will be made? 1952 01:15:56,480 --> 01:15:58,080 >> Well, what I'm saying is that the 1953 01:15:58,080 --> 01:16:01,360 women's health services that are in in 1954 01:16:01,360 --> 01:16:03,040 happening around mimography, other 1955 01:16:03,040 --> 01:16:04,560 women's health services, those are going 1956 01:16:04,560 --> 01:16:06,640 to be remaining at Belleview. If there 1957 01:16:06,640 --> 01:16:08,640 was emergency surgery that needed to 1958 01:16:08,640 --> 01:16:10,320 happen at Belleview, that too would 1959 01:16:10,320 --> 01:16:12,719 happen at Belleview. But otherwise, yes, 1960 01:16:12,719 --> 01:16:14,800 they're they're consolidating the other. 1961 01:16:14,800 --> 01:16:16,080 We all know that that's what they're 1962 01:16:16,080 --> 01:16:17,440 doing, right? They're they're having to 1963 01:16:17,440 --> 01:16:19,360 move the rest of their surgeries. 1964 01:16:19,360 --> 01:16:21,120 they're having to consolidate to try to 1965 01:16:21,120 --> 01:16:23,120 be more efficient from a cost 1966 01:16:23,120 --> 01:16:26,080 perspective. Um I, you know, it's not my 1967 01:16:26,080 --> 01:16:28,239 area of expertise, so I can't speak 1968 01:16:28,239 --> 01:16:31,040 specifically about that. Um but that's 1969 01:16:31,040 --> 01:16:33,679 my understanding of of what's happening. 1970 01:16:33,679 --> 01:16:34,880 Um so 1971 01:16:34,880 --> 01:16:36,719 >> let me Did you have a comment if you 1972 01:16:36,719 --> 01:16:38,400 wanted to make this? 1973 01:16:38,400 --> 01:16:40,880 >> Yeah, I I would like to hear from local 1974 01:16:40,880 --> 01:16:45,760 parties. Um I'd hate to see women's uh 1975 01:16:45,760 --> 01:16:47,280 health center, but that's where I was 1976 01:16:47,280 --> 01:16:49,360 born. 1977 01:16:49,360 --> 01:16:50,320 it's going to stay 1978 01:16:50,320 --> 01:16:52,719 >> lose capacity. But I I I would like to 1979 01:16:52,719 --> 01:16:55,760 hear more about what that what does that 1980 01:16:55,760 --> 01:16:58,880 mean? Maintain full surgical services. I 1981 01:16:58,880 --> 01:17:00,880 don't know enough about the cuts to make 1982 01:17:00,880 --> 01:17:02,960 a determination. I'd like to hear a 1983 01:17:02,960 --> 01:17:05,120 little bit more information, but I you 1984 01:17:05,120 --> 01:17:09,280 know, I do support us um doing something 1985 01:17:09,280 --> 01:17:11,120 in support of Belleview Women Health 1986 01:17:11,120 --> 01:17:13,760 Center that I could get on board with if 1987 01:17:13,760 --> 01:17:15,520 I have some more information. 1988 01:17:15,520 --> 01:17:16,400 >> Mr. 1989 01:17:16,400 --> 01:17:18,159 So my question was just you said earlier 1990 01:17:18,159 --> 01:17:22,080 that um that the folks are 1991 01:17:22,080 --> 01:17:25,040 committed to um I might want to 1992 01:17:25,040 --> 01:17:26,239 paraphrase but I was trying to figure 1993 01:17:26,239 --> 01:17:28,239 out those folks are you talking about 1994 01:17:28,239 --> 01:17:31,520 administration at Ellis right now 1995 01:17:31,520 --> 01:17:33,040 >> and doctors physicians and 1996 01:17:33,040 --> 01:17:34,159 administrators. Yeah. 1997 01:17:34,159 --> 01:17:36,320 >> Okay. So for that 1998 01:17:36,320 --> 01:17:37,679 >> and the nurses I'm not saying that the 1999 01:17:37,679 --> 01:17:38,480 nurses aren't 2000 01:17:38,480 --> 01:17:40,640 >> I'm not I'm not suggesting any way that 2001 01:17:40,640 --> 01:17:42,400 you're saying that. Um I guess what I'm 2002 01:17:42,400 --> 01:17:44,080 trying to figure out did have you spoken 2003 01:17:44,080 --> 01:17:46,000 to anyone from Trinity Healthcare or 2004 01:17:46,000 --> 01:17:48,880 just the administrative Okay. Okay. 2005 01:17:48,880 --> 01:17:50,960 >> So shall we bring the discussion to a 2006 01:17:50,960 --> 01:17:51,840 close here? 2007 01:17:51,840 --> 01:17:55,520 >> Well, I think that I'm sorry. 2008 01:17:55,520 --> 01:17:56,960 >> Just you know just you know hearing the 2009 01:17:56,960 --> 01:17:58,880 comments from the the council members. 2010 01:17:58,880 --> 01:18:00,239 There's only two members of your 2011 01:18:00,239 --> 01:18:01,600 committee here tonight. 2012 01:18:01,600 --> 01:18:04,239 >> Mr. Farley, if you don't, as you know, 2013 01:18:04,239 --> 01:18:06,000 if if it doesn't pass out of committee 2014 01:18:06,000 --> 01:18:08,159 tonight, which sounds like it won't, you 2015 01:18:08,159 --> 01:18:10,560 can get a co-sponsor to bring in the 2016 01:18:10,560 --> 01:18:13,840 legislation to the full council on on on 2017 01:18:13,840 --> 01:18:16,080 Monday night as long as the resolution 2018 01:18:16,080 --> 01:18:18,400 is before the city clerk by noon on 2019 01:18:18,400 --> 01:18:21,199 Thursday. But um we have to go through 2020 01:18:21,199 --> 01:18:22,880 whether you want to make the motion now. 2021 01:18:22,880 --> 01:18:25,360 If it fails then it then then then it 2022 01:18:25,360 --> 01:18:28,800 ends or if you wish to 2023 01:18:28,800 --> 01:18:31,280 have this brought up under discussion at 2024 01:18:31,280 --> 01:18:33,760 a next meeting. It's up to you if you 2025 01:18:33,760 --> 01:18:36,000 want to go move forward with resolution. 2026 01:18:36,000 --> 01:18:37,520 It's going to fail because you're not 2027 01:18:37,520 --> 01:18:39,760 going to get a second. However, there's 2028 01:18:39,760 --> 01:18:42,640 the the the mechanism under 20 2821 2029 01:18:42,640 --> 01:18:44,400 under the city code that allows you to 2030 01:18:44,400 --> 01:18:46,080 get a co-sponsor who's not a member of 2031 01:18:46,080 --> 01:18:48,000 the committee. then it it can be 2032 01:18:48,000 --> 01:18:49,679 borrowed before the full council on 2033 01:18:49,679 --> 01:18:52,080 Monday night. So, it's it's it's up to 2034 01:18:52,080 --> 01:18:53,199 what you want to do. 2035 01:18:53,199 --> 01:18:54,080 >> Thank you. 2036 01:18:54,080 --> 01:18:56,000 >> That's I'm overly optimistic that Miss 2037 01:18:56,000 --> 01:19:02,080 Patrick is going to uh um side with um 2038 01:19:02,080 --> 01:19:04,159 the city of connectity as far as uh 2039 01:19:04,159 --> 01:19:07,679 these these medical services. So, um I 2040 01:19:07,679 --> 01:19:16,709 I'll I'll make the motion. 2041 01:19:16,719 --> 01:19:18,159 » Yes. Say 2042 01:19:18,159 --> 01:19:19,440 >> I'm I'm not going to second it. 2043 01:19:19,440 --> 01:19:21,199 >> Okay. Yeah. Okay. So, 2044 01:19:21,199 --> 01:19:23,120 >> so the motion fails because of the lack 2045 01:19:23,120 --> 01:19:25,040 of a second, but as I indicated to you, 2046 01:19:25,040 --> 01:19:26,960 Mr. Farley, if you want to get a 2047 01:19:26,960 --> 01:19:29,600 co-sponsor with with another council 2048 01:19:29,600 --> 01:19:31,600 member, you can do so and and bring the 2049 01:19:31,600 --> 01:19:33,920 legislation before the council on a full 2050 01:19:33,920 --> 01:19:35,920 council on Monday night. 2051 01:19:35,920 --> 01:19:40,560 Okay. I would like to I think 2052 01:19:40,560 --> 01:19:44,320 u maybe hearing um from some more people 2053 01:19:44,320 --> 01:19:45,920 I think that maybe you'll be able to 2054 01:19:45,920 --> 01:19:47,760 make a more informed decision. So I also 2055 01:19:47,760 --> 01:19:50,400 between time kind of encourage uh see 2056 01:19:50,400 --> 01:19:52,320 what we could do around that cuz this is 2057 01:19:52,320 --> 01:19:54,080 um 2058 01:19:54,080 --> 01:19:57,120 quite frankly I thought would support. 2059 01:19:57,120 --> 01:19:57,520 So 2060 01:19:57,520 --> 01:20:00,400 >> Okay. 2061 01:20:00,400 --> 01:20:02,719 So if you can and just be advised that 2062 01:20:02,719 --> 01:20:04,400 you can always bring it at the next 2063 01:20:04,400 --> 01:20:06,560 meeting or any subsequent uh council 2064 01:20:06,560 --> 01:20:07,040 meeting. 2065 01:20:07,040 --> 01:20:08,000 >> Oh certainly. 2066 01:20:08,000 --> 01:20:08,719 >> Okay. 2067 01:20:08,719 --> 01:20:09,600 >> So thank you. 2068 01:20:09,600 --> 01:20:10,400 >> All right. 2069 01:20:10,400 --> 01:20:12,080 >> So is there any other business to come 2070 01:20:12,080 --> 01:20:15,120 before health and recreation? 2071 01:20:15,120 --> 01:20:17,679 >> Hearing none. I'll look for a motion to 2072 01:20:17,679 --> 01:20:21,750 um adjourn health and recreation. 2073 01:20:21,760 --> 01:20:24,480 >> Second. 2074 01:20:24,480 --> 01:20:26,080 >> All in favor? 2075 01:20:26,080 --> 01:20:29,040 >> I thank you. I'd like to call order city 2076 01:20:29,040 --> 01:20:30,640 development and planning. We have nine 2077 01:20:30,640 --> 01:20:36,709 items on the agenda. Um 2078 01:20:36,719 --> 01:20:40,719 oh government ops almost skipped over 2079 01:20:40,719 --> 01:20:43,840 >> I guess you go. 2080 01:20:43,840 --> 01:20:45,040 >> I'm sorry. 2081 01:20:45,040 --> 01:20:46,719 >> I'd like to call the government to order 2082 01:20:46,719 --> 01:20:48,719 government operations. We have one item 2083 01:20:48,719 --> 01:20:51,440 on the agenda today that is uh the 2084 01:20:51,440 --> 01:20:53,360 selection process of the city housing 2085 01:20:53,360 --> 01:20:55,600 stability task force. Mr. Mancini. 2086 01:20:55,600 --> 01:20:59,040 >> All right. So I I sent out a draft 2087 01:20:59,040 --> 01:21:00,560 application 2088 01:21:00,560 --> 01:21:03,040 and I'll go over the selection process 2089 01:21:03,040 --> 01:21:05,760 that I'd like to propose. Again, the 2090 01:21:05,760 --> 01:21:08,239 structure is nine members. All members 2091 01:21:08,239 --> 01:21:11,280 will be volunteer. Um, one city council 2092 01:21:11,280 --> 01:21:13,840 member will serve as chair. Remaining 2093 01:21:13,840 --> 01:21:16,880 eight will be appointed by the council. 2094 01:21:16,880 --> 01:21:20,400 Um then they are to represent 2095 01:21:20,400 --> 01:21:23,920 tenants, a landlord, 2096 01:21:23,920 --> 01:21:28,000 someone from local government. 2097 01:21:28,000 --> 01:21:31,110 Um 2098 01:21:31,120 --> 01:21:33,840 » okay, 2099 01:21:33,840 --> 01:21:36,800 and uh 2100 01:21:36,800 --> 01:21:40,159 I should have memorized right now. 2101 01:21:40,159 --> 01:21:42,480 >> 30 nonprofits. 2102 01:21:42,480 --> 01:21:45,040 >> Yeah. Oh, yeah. Tenants, man. I'm sorry. 2103 01:21:45,040 --> 01:21:47,280 developers, housing advocates, nonprofit 2104 01:21:47,280 --> 01:21:48,719 representatives, and legal 2105 01:21:48,719 --> 01:21:50,400 professionals. 2106 01:21:50,400 --> 01:21:53,760 Um, so what I'm proposing is that we do 2107 01:21:53,760 --> 01:21:56,320 a public call for applications, 2108 01:21:56,320 --> 01:21:57,840 reach out to housing advocates, 2109 01:21:57,840 --> 01:21:58,960 nonprofits, and neighborhood 2110 01:21:58,960 --> 01:22:01,679 associations. We've had folks email us 2111 01:22:01,679 --> 01:22:03,760 with letters of the I mean emails of 2112 01:22:03,760 --> 01:22:05,120 interest, so we can send them an 2113 01:22:05,120 --> 01:22:06,719 application. 2114 01:22:06,719 --> 01:22:08,239 And then once we receive the 2115 01:22:08,239 --> 01:22:12,639 applications and have a date by um we 2116 01:22:12,639 --> 01:22:15,280 can pick a date with whatever we agree 2117 01:22:15,280 --> 01:22:17,679 on. I'm thinking once we send it out we 2118 01:22:17,679 --> 01:22:23,030 give two weeks to respond 2119 01:22:23,040 --> 01:22:25,120 and then we review the applications and 2120 01:22:25,120 --> 01:22:27,199 ensure that we have a broad 2121 01:22:27,199 --> 01:22:31,040 representation of the outlined um 2122 01:22:31,040 --> 01:22:38,310 groups. 2123 01:22:38,320 --> 01:22:41,280 So looking through the list um my first 2124 01:22:41,280 --> 01:22:43,679 question is and um why we're having 2125 01:22:43,679 --> 01:22:48,159 developers as a part of this discussion 2126 01:22:48,159 --> 01:22:51,120 that was on the um 2127 01:22:51,120 --> 01:22:54,000 resolution for developers 2128 01:22:54,000 --> 01:22:57,440 that those that may be impacted and 2129 01:22:57,440 --> 01:23:00,800 getting their you know perception of 2130 01:23:00,800 --> 01:23:05,040 would good cause impact 2131 01:23:05,040 --> 01:23:09,600 their um view of the city their their 2132 01:23:09,600 --> 01:23:11,760 plans to move forward with apartment 2133 01:23:11,760 --> 01:23:13,920 developing developments of apartment 2134 01:23:13,920 --> 01:23:16,400 units. I know after a certain date 2135 01:23:16,400 --> 01:23:19,120 they're exempt but developers that have 2136 01:23:19,120 --> 01:23:20,400 are already here and that may be 2137 01:23:20,400 --> 01:23:26,149 impacted by that to hear from them. 2138 01:23:26,159 --> 01:23:28,400 » Well, I have a couple concerns. I don't 2139 01:23:28,400 --> 01:23:29,600 let me just say I don't think the 2140 01:23:29,600 --> 01:23:32,000 developers um 2141 01:23:32,000 --> 01:23:34,400 I don't think this would be a forum or a 2142 01:23:34,400 --> 01:23:36,960 task force that would that I think that 2143 01:23:36,960 --> 01:23:38,480 they should be on quite frankly and just 2144 01:23:38,480 --> 01:23:40,880 say it how I feel it. And additionally, 2145 01:23:40,880 --> 01:23:43,679 so we're we've listed six including 2146 01:23:43,679 --> 01:23:46,080 developers and not including the council 2147 01:23:46,080 --> 01:23:49,840 members. So that's nine seats. And so 2148 01:23:49,840 --> 01:23:52,560 right now we have nine 2149 01:23:52,560 --> 01:23:54,400 um excuse seven. And so that means just 2150 01:23:54,400 --> 01:23:57,199 two more people. Um, so I'm concerned 2151 01:23:57,199 --> 01:23:59,760 with the number of nine. I'm concerned 2152 01:23:59,760 --> 01:24:02,400 that this board will be um kind of 2153 01:24:02,400 --> 01:24:04,639 lopsided and and more with people who 2154 01:24:04,639 --> 01:24:07,280 are not as impacted. So I would say 2155 01:24:07,280 --> 01:24:09,440 there may be room room for one maybe two 2156 01:24:09,440 --> 01:24:10,480 tenants. 2157 01:24:10,480 --> 01:24:12,320 >> So we've heard the voice of the tenants 2158 01:24:12,320 --> 01:24:14,880 and so I I have concern that nine is a 2159 01:24:14,880 --> 01:24:16,639 low number for this particular task 2160 01:24:16,639 --> 01:24:19,920 force um first of all. So I would like 2161 01:24:19,920 --> 01:24:21,360 for us to really kind of look at that 2162 01:24:21,360 --> 01:24:23,600 and really look at the value of having 2163 01:24:23,600 --> 01:24:26,080 developers per se as part of this 2164 01:24:26,080 --> 01:24:30,400 particular task force. Additionally, um 2165 01:24:30,400 --> 01:24:32,080 it said that the first meeting can be 2166 01:24:32,080 --> 01:24:34,000 called by at least one council member. 2167 01:24:34,000 --> 01:24:36,480 And I think if if a council person is 2168 01:24:36,480 --> 01:24:39,040 going to chair this, then the council 2169 01:24:39,040 --> 01:24:40,719 the meeting should be called by whoever 2170 01:24:40,719 --> 01:24:44,080 chairs this as opposed to um just one 2171 01:24:44,080 --> 01:24:47,280 person even within our um code in terms 2172 01:24:47,280 --> 01:24:49,040 of a council a special council meeting 2173 01:24:49,040 --> 01:24:51,120 is called it takes at least two people 2174 01:24:51,120 --> 01:24:52,960 to do that. 2175 01:24:52,960 --> 01:24:56,400 Shane the chair and or vice chair. I 2176 01:24:56,400 --> 01:24:59,120 think London should designate a vice 2177 01:24:59,120 --> 01:24:59,600 chair. 2178 01:24:59,600 --> 01:25:00,400 >> Okay. 2179 01:25:00,400 --> 01:25:03,040 >> And secretary. 2180 01:25:03,040 --> 01:25:05,679 >> Okay. Once you you do the interviews and 2181 01:25:05,679 --> 01:25:08,239 then ask if folks volunteer to be a vice 2182 01:25:08,239 --> 01:25:10,480 chair and a secretary to take notes and 2183 01:25:10,480 --> 01:25:11,679 minutes. 2184 01:25:11,679 --> 01:25:14,000 >> Okay. So So we're talk you're looking at 2185 01:25:14,000 --> 01:25:15,440 changing that language. 2186 01:25:15,440 --> 01:25:17,040 >> Yes. 2187 01:25:17,040 --> 01:25:20,239 >> Um in the application I that kind of 2188 01:25:20,239 --> 01:25:21,840 briefly went through it. They have to be 2189 01:25:21,840 --> 01:25:23,520 a city resident. 2190 01:25:23,520 --> 01:25:24,320 >> Yes. 2191 01:25:24,320 --> 01:25:28,560 >> Unless they work for an agency that is 2192 01:25:28,560 --> 01:25:30,880 doing a nonprofit inside the city. 2193 01:25:30,880 --> 01:25:32,719 >> So nonprofit inside the city. Not a 2194 01:25:32,719 --> 01:25:33,760 volunteer group. 2195 01:25:33,760 --> 01:25:34,159 >> No. 2196 01:25:34,159 --> 01:25:35,600 >> But an actual nonprofit 2197 01:25:35,600 --> 01:25:39,760 >> that serves the city. 2198 01:25:39,760 --> 01:25:42,320 >> So that's one that's one part I think 2199 01:25:42,320 --> 01:25:44,639 that we should look at as well. Like I 2200 01:25:44,639 --> 01:25:46,400 think that the people that are obviously 2201 01:25:46,400 --> 01:25:49,920 going to be mostly impacted by this are 2202 01:25:49,920 --> 01:25:51,120 going than the people that live in the 2203 01:25:51,120 --> 01:25:55,120 city. So I think that people should have 2204 01:25:55,120 --> 01:25:57,600 to live in the city to serve in the 2205 01:25:57,600 --> 01:26:00,400 city. Even if you work at a non if you 2206 01:26:00,400 --> 01:26:02,880 work at a nonprofit that serves in the 2207 01:26:02,880 --> 01:26:06,400 city, I still think that you should have 2208 01:26:06,400 --> 01:26:08,000 to live in the city. And I think that 2209 01:26:08,000 --> 01:26:10,800 that's a that kind of opens it up to a 2210 01:26:10,800 --> 01:26:13,520 broader conversation around that we 2211 01:26:13,520 --> 01:26:14,880 don't need to have now, but like around 2212 01:26:14,880 --> 01:26:18,800 like nonprofits um and you know who 2213 01:26:18,800 --> 01:26:22,159 they're hiring and do they represent the 2214 01:26:22,159 --> 01:26:23,840 clients and the population that they're 2215 01:26:23,840 --> 01:26:24,320 serving. 2216 01:26:24,320 --> 01:26:24,719 >> Sure. 2217 01:26:24,719 --> 01:26:28,880 >> So um that's something else. 2218 01:26:28,880 --> 01:26:30,719 I I mean I guess I would have to say 2219 01:26:30,719 --> 01:26:34,639 that I'm okay with the nonprofit if it's 2220 01:26:34,639 --> 01:26:36,560 let's say for example it's the executive 2221 01:26:36,560 --> 01:26:38,320 director of a nonprofit that's a housing 2222 01:26:38,320 --> 01:26:40,320 related nonprofit that person might not 2223 01:26:40,320 --> 01:26:42,320 live in the city. I mean I think we need 2224 01:26:42,320 --> 01:26:43,920 and I also don't have a problem with the 2225 01:26:43,920 --> 01:26:45,440 developers because I think what we're 2226 01:26:45,440 --> 01:26:47,840 looking for along with having of course 2227 01:26:47,840 --> 01:26:52,639 residents tenants um is you know we need 2228 01:26:52,639 --> 01:26:54,480 the developers we've been bringing their 2229 01:26:54,480 --> 01:26:56,560 professional expertise around the 2230 01:26:56,560 --> 01:26:59,199 buildings that they build um for 2231 01:26:59,199 --> 01:27:01,440 apartments um whether it's homeless you 2232 01:27:01,440 --> 01:27:03,199 know shelters for homeless um 2233 01:27:03,199 --> 01:27:06,239 individuals um I think that it's okay 2234 01:27:06,239 --> 01:27:09,120 that there be a developer um that might 2235 01:27:09,120 --> 01:27:11,920 be able to speak from their um place of 2236 01:27:11,920 --> 01:27:14,560 expertise around 2237 01:27:14,560 --> 01:27:17,440 um around those types of structures. So 2238 01:27:17,440 --> 01:27:19,040 I don't have a problem with a developer 2239 01:27:19,040 --> 01:27:21,120 being on it. And I don't have I again I 2240 01:27:21,120 --> 01:27:23,520 think that I I can only base that on my 2241 01:27:23,520 --> 01:27:26,880 own lived experience. Um, you know, I 2242 01:27:26,880 --> 01:27:28,960 remember once, uh, in one of my previous 2243 01:27:28,960 --> 01:27:31,280 roles in in in the city, I was the only 2244 01:27:31,280 --> 01:27:33,520 person lived in the city at one of the 2245 01:27:33,520 --> 01:27:35,920 organizations I worked for, and I thus 2246 01:27:35,920 --> 01:27:39,440 was the person put onto a um onto a 2247 01:27:39,440 --> 01:27:41,360 community group that I think there might 2248 01:27:41,360 --> 01:27:42,719 have been other people, you know, I did 2249 01:27:42,719 --> 01:27:46,320 my my best at representing uh our 2250 01:27:46,320 --> 01:27:48,080 organization, but, you know, there might 2251 01:27:48,080 --> 01:27:49,679 have been people with other forms of 2252 01:27:49,679 --> 01:27:51,440 expertise, but they just didn't live in 2253 01:27:51,440 --> 01:27:53,600 the city. So, with the nonprofits, I 2254 01:27:53,600 --> 01:27:55,840 don't know. I mean, I don't know if cuz 2255 01:27:55,840 --> 01:27:57,600 we don't want to we've got to make sure 2256 01:27:57,600 --> 01:27:59,520 we involve the the appropriate 2257 01:27:59,520 --> 01:28:02,159 nonprofit. I think um whether it's 2258 01:28:02,159 --> 01:28:05,440 Bethesda House or Scap or, you know, I 2259 01:28:05,440 --> 01:28:08,800 don't know, Habitat for Humanity. Um I I 2260 01:28:08,800 --> 01:28:10,560 don't know where the folks live, you 2261 01:28:10,560 --> 01:28:12,400 know, that are on the staff. 2262 01:28:12,400 --> 01:28:14,560 >> So, I think I'd be okay with that. I I 2263 01:28:14,560 --> 01:28:17,120 guess I I would say to that is that 2264 01:28:17,120 --> 01:28:21,199 again hopefully um our the nonprofits 2265 01:28:21,199 --> 01:28:22,880 especially nonprofits that we are 2266 01:28:22,880 --> 01:28:27,679 supporting um with uh city funding uh 2267 01:28:27,679 --> 01:28:29,679 have enough of an investment in the city 2268 01:28:29,679 --> 01:28:32,239 to see people that live in the city as 2269 01:28:32,239 --> 01:28:35,360 part of a viable workforce. So hopefully 2270 01:28:35,360 --> 01:28:37,520 that they would have representation of 2271 01:28:37,520 --> 01:28:38,639 people that live in the city that work 2272 01:28:38,639 --> 01:28:40,880 at these nonprofits. If not, that's 2273 01:28:40,880 --> 01:28:43,280 again that that'd be troubling to me uh 2274 01:28:43,280 --> 01:28:45,120 in its own. Second of all, there's 2275 01:28:45,120 --> 01:28:46,960 different ways and capacities that 2276 01:28:46,960 --> 01:28:48,800 people could serve. So, in other words, 2277 01:28:48,800 --> 01:28:51,840 a developer could come into the the task 2278 01:28:51,840 --> 01:28:53,600 force and present all of their 2279 01:28:53,600 --> 01:28:56,239 expertise, all of their information 2280 01:28:56,239 --> 01:28:58,000 >> um but then you would still leave the 2281 01:28:58,000 --> 01:28:59,440 decisions 2282 01:28:59,440 --> 01:29:01,199 >> um up to the people that live within the 2283 01:29:01,199 --> 01:29:03,760 city. So they don't need to have a spot 2284 01:29:03,760 --> 01:29:05,840 on the task force in order to contribute 2285 01:29:05,840 --> 01:29:07,920 to the task force if they sincerely um 2286 01:29:07,920 --> 01:29:11,360 have expertise and genuinely want to um 2287 01:29:11,360 --> 01:29:13,360 uh help uh the task force make a more 2288 01:29:13,360 --> 01:29:15,280 informed decision. So to me that's you 2289 01:29:15,280 --> 01:29:16,560 know that's where I would be holding the 2290 01:29:16,560 --> 01:29:18,080 line that way people need to live in the 2291 01:29:18,080 --> 01:29:20,400 city 2292 01:29:20,400 --> 01:29:22,560 >> cuz I I I agree with with the you know 2293 01:29:22,560 --> 01:29:23,920 developers could be part of the 2294 01:29:23,920 --> 01:29:26,880 solution. So so on some level they 2295 01:29:26,880 --> 01:29:31,510 engage in the conversation. 2296 01:29:31,520 --> 01:29:33,280 and I could support them coming in that 2297 01:29:33,280 --> 01:29:35,120 way. But however, I I will say again 2298 01:29:35,120 --> 01:29:36,880 that I don't see them having a seat on 2299 01:29:36,880 --> 01:29:39,360 the task force. I think it kind of it 2300 01:29:39,360 --> 01:29:41,360 leans in a certain direction. But have 2301 01:29:41,360 --> 01:29:42,719 providing the information, the 2302 01:29:42,719 --> 01:29:45,440 framework, the data that we say we need 2303 01:29:45,440 --> 01:29:48,080 now um for them to do that but not to be 2304 01:29:48,080 --> 01:29:50,239 as part of the the group that makes is 2305 01:29:50,239 --> 01:29:52,480 the ultimate decision because you know 2306 01:29:52,480 --> 01:29:54,400 we all have different perspectives on 2307 01:29:54,400 --> 01:29:56,800 this and again we are framing this 2308 01:29:56,800 --> 01:29:58,560 because this came about because of good 2309 01:29:58,560 --> 01:30:00,080 cause whether we want to say it or not 2310 01:30:00,080 --> 01:30:01,199 I'm going to say it. 2311 01:30:01,199 --> 01:30:02,960 >> Okay. So, let's just make sure that 2312 01:30:02,960 --> 01:30:04,560 we're sticking to what good cause is 2313 01:30:04,560 --> 01:30:08,080 really about and not um try to to bring 2314 01:30:08,080 --> 01:30:10,639 in all these groups who may sway the 2315 01:30:10,639 --> 01:30:14,320 decision in a direction that um makes it 2316 01:30:14,320 --> 01:30:20,550 more favorable for for them. 2317 01:30:20,560 --> 01:30:23,040 » Uh so, the two points that I wanted to 2318 01:30:23,040 --> 01:30:25,360 make is uh well actually three. First of 2319 01:30:25,360 --> 01:30:28,400 which, I uh valued the form that you put 2320 01:30:28,400 --> 01:30:32,480 forth on Mr. Mancini. I thought that was a good product. Um I agreed 2321 01:30:32,480 --> 01:30:34,159 with the two comments made around 2322 01:30:34,159 --> 01:30:36,000 developers. So I won't repeat that. Um 2323 01:30:36,000 --> 01:30:38,960 my two additional comments were just uh 2324 01:30:38,960 --> 01:30:40,719 under the official charters of the task 2325 01:30:40,719 --> 01:30:44,880 force uh those three points or the two 2326 01:30:44,880 --> 01:30:47,520 points I the question that I have is 2327 01:30:47,520 --> 01:30:49,199 what new information are you seeking 2328 01:30:49,199 --> 01:30:51,600 from this task force? Because sincerely, 2329 01:30:51,600 --> 01:30:54,000 I mean, all sincerely, this was the 2330 01:30:54,000 --> 01:30:55,280 information that I would have expected 2331 01:30:55,280 --> 01:30:57,040 each of us as council members to review 2332 01:30:57,040 --> 01:30:58,400 and investigate on our own before 2333 01:30:58,400 --> 01:31:02,159 arriving to a a reasoning with respect 2334 01:31:02,159 --> 01:31:04,080 to good cause, which is in this 2335 01:31:04,080 --> 01:31:06,719 legislation. Uh, so we cannot avoid that 2336 01:31:06,719 --> 01:31:10,800 correlation. Um, but if you can ask 2337 01:31:10,800 --> 01:31:12,239 answer what new information you're 2338 01:31:12,239 --> 01:31:13,840 expecting because also this is asking 2339 01:31:13,840 --> 01:31:16,719 for public forums which we we had and 2340 01:31:16,719 --> 01:31:20,239 then one was shot down. um lack of 2341 01:31:20,239 --> 01:31:22,400 better words. Um but then also I wanted 2342 01:31:22,400 --> 01:31:24,960 to just highlight uh I would like to get 2343 01:31:24,960 --> 01:31:27,120 something put into writing that we will 2344 01:31:27,120 --> 01:31:29,040 approve the findings of this count of 2345 01:31:29,040 --> 01:31:31,679 this task force uh once submitted. Um 2346 01:31:31,679 --> 01:31:33,679 because what I would hate to happen is 2347 01:31:33,679 --> 01:31:35,920 we go through all these links and go 2348 01:31:35,920 --> 01:31:37,840 through all these efforts and we have 2349 01:31:37,840 --> 01:31:39,840 just seen in a different regard the 2350 01:31:39,840 --> 01:31:42,639 difficulties with getting volunteers to 2351 01:31:42,639 --> 01:31:44,480 actively contribute on a continuous 2352 01:31:44,480 --> 01:31:47,199 process on a continuous basis. Uh so I'd 2353 01:31:47,199 --> 01:31:49,120 like to ensure that whatever information 2354 01:31:49,120 --> 01:31:51,280 that they put forth is not only factual 2355 01:31:51,280 --> 01:31:53,040 but is information that we're going to 2356 01:31:53,040 --> 01:31:59,760 action on. Um because to me we are uh 2357 01:31:59,760 --> 01:32:02,080 we are transitioning our responsibility 2358 01:32:02,080 --> 01:32:05,520 as a council to act to act and asking 2359 01:32:05,520 --> 01:32:06,960 that there's another agency that steps 2360 01:32:06,960 --> 01:32:09,360 forth to flag by do the work that we're 2361 01:32:09,360 --> 01:32:11,600 supposed to do on our own. Um so I can 2362 01:32:11,600 --> 01:32:12,800 understand that this is where we're at 2363 01:32:12,800 --> 01:32:15,040 as a council. I want to ensure that we 2364 01:32:15,040 --> 01:32:17,120 are not wasting the city's time and the 2365 01:32:17,120 --> 01:32:19,600 resident's time. This matter has clearly 2366 01:32:19,600 --> 01:32:22,639 mattered as we've heard countless times 2367 01:32:22,639 --> 01:32:24,320 uh to just continue to kick this 2368 01:32:24,320 --> 01:32:29,030 football around. 2369 01:32:29,040 --> 01:32:31,040 Well, I I I think that the task force 2370 01:32:31,040 --> 01:32:34,480 can make the recommendations and it's 2371 01:32:34,480 --> 01:32:37,199 and has to be mindful of that the 2372 01:32:37,199 --> 01:32:38,960 recommendations are binding and then 2373 01:32:38,960 --> 01:32:42,159 they can proceed with resolutions to 2374 01:32:42,159 --> 01:32:45,520 affect those recommendations. We come up 2375 01:32:45,520 --> 01:32:49,040 with strategies where your groups 2376 01:32:49,040 --> 01:32:54,560 involve basically landlords, our local and our tenants. 2377 01:32:54,560 --> 01:32:56,560 And there's the good cause law. Well, 2378 01:32:56,560 --> 01:32:58,000 here are the evictions. Here are 2379 01:32:58,000 --> 01:32:59,840 strategies we can implement to reduce 2380 01:32:59,840 --> 01:33:04,159 those evictions. Um, federally with they 2381 01:33:04,159 --> 01:33:07,040 um rental assistance programs have been 2382 01:33:07,040 --> 01:33:09,360 cut from at a federal level. So, this is 2383 01:33:09,360 --> 01:33:11,760 becoming even larger pro a has a 2384 01:33:11,760 --> 01:33:14,960 problem. I I met with um 2385 01:33:14,960 --> 01:33:18,719 Connor out of from Albany last week and 2386 01:33:18,719 --> 01:33:20,480 real concerning information that but he 2387 01:33:20,480 --> 01:33:22,159 gave me some really good information a 2388 01:33:22,159 --> 01:33:24,239 lot of good strategies that we can 2389 01:33:24,239 --> 01:33:26,880 implement if we don't have agreement on 2390 01:33:26,880 --> 01:33:29,040 good cause we I think we can come to 2391 01:33:29,040 --> 01:33:31,840 agreement on good strategies and that I 2392 01:33:31,840 --> 01:33:33,440 think can impact what we're trying to 2393 01:33:33,440 --> 01:33:36,480 do. If it's good cause or nothing and 2394 01:33:36,480 --> 01:33:39,120 that's that's what people are thinking, 2395 01:33:39,120 --> 01:33:41,199 then you're right. Uh it doesn't we 2396 01:33:41,199 --> 01:33:42,560 probably shouldn't come together and do 2397 01:33:42,560 --> 01:33:44,560 any work. But if it's what we really 2398 01:33:44,560 --> 01:33:46,320 want is to let's come up with some 2399 01:33:46,320 --> 01:33:48,560 solutions that reduce evictions for 2400 01:33:48,560 --> 01:33:52,400 those most in need, then it's effective 2401 01:33:52,400 --> 01:33:53,840 and I don't see there'll be any problem 2402 01:33:53,840 --> 01:33:56,880 with implementing those strategies. Um I 2403 01:33:56,880 --> 01:34:00,239 think if we can demonstrate um what's 2404 01:34:00,239 --> 01:34:03,440 worked short of good cause what we 2405 01:34:03,440 --> 01:34:07,600 haven't done um the majority of the 2406 01:34:07,600 --> 01:34:10,400 evictions are for non-active and that 2407 01:34:10,400 --> 01:34:12,159 falls under good cause that's not going 2408 01:34:12,159 --> 01:34:13,920 to make any bit of difference but maybe 2409 01:34:13,920 --> 01:34:16,159 we can come up with ways to to come up 2410 01:34:16,159 --> 01:34:19,360 with um tenant assistance programs or 2411 01:34:19,360 --> 01:34:21,920 look for grants look for other options. 2412 01:34:21,920 --> 01:34:23,760 >> Um that's something that we can do that 2413 01:34:23,760 --> 01:34:25,120 we haven't done. I think there are a lot 2414 01:34:25,120 --> 01:34:26,639 of options that we can take and 2415 01:34:26,639 --> 01:34:28,960 strategies we can employ to reduce that 2416 01:34:28,960 --> 01:34:31,360 number. I mean we can say we can't or we 2417 01:34:31,360 --> 01:34:35,199 can say we can. That's up to us. Um so 2418 01:34:35,199 --> 01:34:38,719 that's where I want to proceed. So 2419 01:34:38,719 --> 01:34:40,159 >> so I just want to clarify you said that 2420 01:34:40,159 --> 01:34:41,920 the recommendations from this task force 2421 01:34:41,920 --> 01:34:42,880 would be binding. 2422 01:34:42,880 --> 01:34:44,719 >> Well I don't have the authority to say 2423 01:34:44,719 --> 01:34:46,800 okay 2424 01:34:46,800 --> 01:34:49,600 we can look at strategies and part of 2425 01:34:49,600 --> 01:34:51,840 that work will be is this something we 2426 01:34:51,840 --> 01:34:52,400 can do? 2427 01:34:52,400 --> 01:34:54,080 >> Yeah. No, they would not be. 2428 01:34:54,080 --> 01:34:55,520 >> That's right. They It would just be 2429 01:34:55,520 --> 01:34:57,520 recommendations and the council can 2430 01:34:57,520 --> 01:34:59,199 accept or 2431 01:34:59,199 --> 01:34:59,679 >> right 2432 01:34:59,679 --> 01:35:01,360 >> not accept those recommendations. It 2433 01:35:01,360 --> 01:35:02,960 could be 10 recommendations. They could 2434 01:35:02,960 --> 01:35:04,159 you could accept five, 2435 01:35:04,159 --> 01:35:04,960 >> right? Just 2436 01:35:04,960 --> 01:35:05,679 >> for example, 2437 01:35:05,679 --> 01:35:07,679 >> I just want to make that clear to all of 2438 01:35:07,679 --> 01:35:10,239 us and everybody that may be listening. 2439 01:35:10,239 --> 01:35:12,239 All right. So, going back to the people 2440 01:35:12,239 --> 01:35:15,199 that the individuals that would be on on 2441 01:35:15,199 --> 01:35:18,320 this task force. Um, and so we have the 2442 01:35:18,320 --> 01:35:21,199 chair. I'm going to point at you. And 2443 01:35:21,199 --> 01:35:23,440 then so that means that we have um other 2444 01:35:23,440 --> 01:35:26,880 spots. Are we going to put a number on 2445 01:35:26,880 --> 01:35:30,000 how many people from each group could be 2446 01:35:30,000 --> 01:35:33,510 there? 2447 01:35:33,520 --> 01:35:34,880 » I mean, how do you decide that? 2448 01:35:34,880 --> 01:35:39,830 >> Yeah. Um 2449 01:35:39,840 --> 01:35:42,800 I think looking at the applications 2450 01:35:42,800 --> 01:35:45,199 who we receive and what what is not on 2451 01:35:45,199 --> 01:35:48,400 there is anybody from city government. 2452 01:35:48,400 --> 01:35:49,440 you 2453 01:35:49,440 --> 01:35:51,360 >> well I think from department to 2454 01:35:51,360 --> 01:35:53,440 development 2455 01:35:53,440 --> 01:35:57,270 >> I think that's important 2456 01:35:57,280 --> 01:36:00,310 » um 2457 01:36:00,320 --> 01:36:03,280 » and then rate the applications and which 2458 01:36:03,280 --> 01:36:04,800 group 2459 01:36:04,800 --> 01:36:07,360 that we based on the application bring 2460 01:36:07,360 --> 01:36:10,159 that level of of expertise if we have a 2461 01:36:10,159 --> 01:36:15,199 couple in that or tenants tenants 2462 01:36:15,199 --> 01:36:18,000 >> so we right now we have to have on 2463 01:36:18,000 --> 01:36:20,480 taking developers off. Uh we have five 2464 01:36:20,480 --> 01:36:23,520 six with with the chair. Okay. Um so 2465 01:36:23,520 --> 01:36:25,440 that leaves three more seats. 2466 01:36:25,440 --> 01:36:28,480 >> And you're saying that you would base 2467 01:36:28,480 --> 01:36:30,000 who filled those seats based on the 2468 01:36:30,000 --> 01:36:31,760 applications received as opposed to 2469 01:36:31,760 --> 01:36:34,080 based on the categories? 2470 01:36:34,080 --> 01:36:36,080 We could we could decide that we pick 2471 01:36:36,080 --> 01:36:39,040 the nine that we need because we may the 2472 01:36:39,040 --> 01:36:41,280 these categories may be missing somebody 2473 01:36:41,280 --> 01:36:43,840 or someone that would be a good um 2474 01:36:43,840 --> 01:36:47,040 addition. Someone in that has expertise 2475 01:36:47,040 --> 01:36:49,119 in this area that we're missing that 2476 01:36:49,119 --> 01:36:53,510 isn't in one of these categories. 2477 01:36:53,520 --> 01:36:54,960 » And how would you choose that person if 2478 01:36:54,960 --> 01:36:56,239 they're not in the category 2479 01:36:56,239 --> 01:36:58,400 >> based on the application and what they 2480 01:36:58,400 --> 01:37:00,400 where their experience in their body or 2481 01:37:00,400 --> 01:37:04,800 work? say they were passed in volumes or 2482 01:37:04,800 --> 01:37:07,600 some advocacy agency. 2483 01:37:07,600 --> 01:37:09,119 >> Okay. So, we're not holding to these 2484 01:37:09,119 --> 01:37:10,320 categories. Is it because 2485 01:37:10,320 --> 01:37:12,000 >> we have representatives from this 2486 01:37:12,000 --> 01:37:14,880 category going to go over them and say 2487 01:37:14,880 --> 01:37:16,320 then this is what we need 2488 01:37:16,320 --> 01:37:18,159 >> and then some extra then the three other 2489 01:37:18,159 --> 01:37:21,760 seats are based on applications. 2490 01:37:21,760 --> 01:37:22,880 Is that what you're saying? 2491 01:37:22,880 --> 01:37:26,320 >> Based Yeah. based on is this a good fit 2492 01:37:26,320 --> 01:37:29,040 for the task force? is this individual 2493 01:37:29,040 --> 01:37:30,560 looking at their experience and their 2494 01:37:30,560 --> 01:37:33,360 body of work or we can keep it into the 2495 01:37:33,360 --> 01:37:37,119 categories a couple but I think that we 2496 01:37:37,119 --> 01:37:39,760 might be missing if we're missing 2497 01:37:39,760 --> 01:37:42,239 something and it stands out and the 2498 01:37:42,239 --> 01:37:44,480 committee looks at this individual could 2499 01:37:44,480 --> 01:37:46,719 contribute to this task force not 2500 01:37:46,719 --> 01:37:50,470 limited to this 2501 01:37:50,480 --> 01:37:52,480 if we're taking out developers then we 2502 01:37:52,480 --> 01:37:55,280 have one two three four five 2503 01:37:55,280 --> 01:37:56,960 >> plus the city Six. 2504 01:37:56,960 --> 01:37:58,239 >> Six. Sorry. 2505 01:37:58,239 --> 01:37:59,760 >> When I say the city, I'm sorry. I mean 2506 01:37:59,760 --> 01:38:02,159 the city council. Six. 2507 01:38:02,159 --> 01:38:07,189 And then you said the city. Seven. 2508 01:38:07,199 --> 01:38:09,280 » So I I would suggest that we have two 2509 01:38:09,280 --> 01:38:12,320 tenant two landlord representatives 2510 01:38:12,320 --> 01:38:14,719 since that's the most effective group 2511 01:38:14,719 --> 01:38:17,040 with affinity group in there. So we have 2512 01:38:17,040 --> 01:38:19,679 two from each. 2513 01:38:19,679 --> 01:38:21,840 >> That makes sense to me. If we're saying 2514 01:38:21,840 --> 01:38:24,400 if we are staying at nine. 2515 01:38:24,400 --> 01:38:27,440 Well, how would we go higher if we just 2516 01:38:27,440 --> 01:38:29,360 >> we would we would amend our resolution 2517 01:38:29,360 --> 01:38:32,159 if we would go higher. So, 2518 01:38:32,159 --> 01:38:33,840 >> I mean, I'm hoping this is, you know, I 2519 01:38:33,840 --> 01:38:37,280 want to get to the start if I 2520 01:38:37,280 --> 01:38:38,800 >> um Patrick. 2521 01:38:38,800 --> 01:38:40,560 >> Well, I think that I mean, I think that 2522 01:38:40,560 --> 01:38:42,880 we could definitely if we wanted to do 2523 01:38:42,880 --> 01:38:44,960 three tenants, three landlords, you 2524 01:38:44,960 --> 01:38:46,560 know, I think we can make those kinds of 2525 01:38:46,560 --> 01:38:50,800 changes on amendments to the original 2526 01:38:50,800 --> 01:38:52,159 uh resolution. I mean, I think that's 2527 01:38:52,159 --> 01:38:54,239 what we're trying to do here is kind of 2528 01:38:54,239 --> 01:38:58,320 sess out what we see as the best. 2529 01:38:58,320 --> 01:39:00,719 >> I mean, for me, again, one thing I think 2530 01:39:00,719 --> 01:39:03,360 that is not the only thing, but one of 2531 01:39:03,360 --> 01:39:04,719 the things I think is really important 2532 01:39:04,719 --> 01:39:07,280 is that who's ever serving on this task 2533 01:39:07,280 --> 01:39:10,000 force lives in the city of Skenctity. I 2534 01:39:10,000 --> 01:39:12,480 think that that is 2535 01:39:12,480 --> 01:39:17,360 really integral part of the process. Um, 2536 01:39:17,360 --> 01:39:21,119 so, Mr. Mr. Mini, are you um 2537 01:39:21,119 --> 01:39:24,560 open to considering that as well? Like 2538 01:39:24,560 --> 01:39:25,760 making sure that whoever serves on the 2539 01:39:25,760 --> 01:39:28,719 task force lives in the city? 2540 01:39:28,719 --> 01:39:31,280 >> I'm going to give priority if we don't 2541 01:39:31,280 --> 01:39:35,119 have somebody from a nonprofit. 2542 01:39:35,119 --> 01:39:38,000 >> Okay. Okay. That is, you know, doesn't 2543 01:39:38,000 --> 01:39:42,960 is it directly involved in an eviction process? 2544 01:39:42,960 --> 01:39:46,000 >> Okay. So, you're saying give priority, 2545 01:39:46,000 --> 01:39:50,229 not necessarily a 2546 01:39:50,239 --> 01:39:51,520 Okay, let me think about that for a 2547 01:39:51,520 --> 01:39:53,760 minute. 2548 01:39:53,760 --> 01:39:55,360 >> So, let's try to have a level of 2549 01:39:55,360 --> 01:39:57,760 consistency here. We just heard that 2550 01:39:57,760 --> 01:40:00,560 someone could not sit on the CPRB even 2551 01:40:00,560 --> 01:40:02,800 though the agency that's named in there 2552 01:40:02,800 --> 01:40:04,719 because they did not reside in the city. 2553 01:40:04,719 --> 01:40:06,239 And I think that applies to almost all 2554 01:40:06,239 --> 01:40:08,719 of our boards that they don't. So why 2555 01:40:08,719 --> 01:40:10,480 are we going outside of what we do for 2556 01:40:10,480 --> 01:40:13,040 every other committee that we have, 2557 01:40:13,040 --> 01:40:14,560 every other commission that we have that 2558 01:40:14,560 --> 01:40:16,880 says you must reside in the city and 2559 01:40:16,880 --> 01:40:19,520 even uh so I I think that we should take 2560 01:40:19,520 --> 01:40:21,920 a look at that. We just NWACP it's 2561 01:40:21,920 --> 01:40:23,840 written in the ordinance in the city 2562 01:40:23,840 --> 01:40:25,360 code rather but the person who came 2563 01:40:25,360 --> 01:40:27,840 forward from the agency within the city 2564 01:40:27,840 --> 01:40:30,159 resided outside the city and we said no. 2565 01:40:30,159 --> 01:40:32,239 The mayor's office said no. So, let's 2566 01:40:32,239 --> 01:40:33,920 try to have some level of consistency in 2567 01:40:33,920 --> 01:40:36,239 how we deal with who's going to be 2568 01:40:36,239 --> 01:40:40,000 representing this um task force which 2569 01:40:40,000 --> 01:40:44,970 will have an impact upon the city. 2570 01:40:44,980 --> 01:40:46,080 [Music] 2571 01:40:46,080 --> 01:40:47,360 Mr. Williams, 2572 01:40:47,360 --> 01:40:50,320 >> we have a little over 60,000 people in 2573 01:40:50,320 --> 01:40:53,040 the city of Scar. compound we can find 2574 01:40:53,040 --> 01:40:54,960 nine people that live within the city 2575 01:40:54,960 --> 01:41:00,080 that can add that can uh academically 2576 01:41:00,080 --> 01:41:01,840 and then with their experience lived 2577 01:41:01,840 --> 01:41:03,760 experience and professional experience 2578 01:41:03,760 --> 01:41:05,600 weigh in on this discussion. I'm I'm in 2579 01:41:05,600 --> 01:41:07,440 agreement with the expectation that you 2580 01:41:07,440 --> 01:41:12,629 live in a city. He set forth 2581 01:41:12,639 --> 01:41:15,360 peace if holding members are reflective 2582 01:41:15,360 --> 01:41:19,360 of that applicants will actually get 2583 01:41:19,360 --> 01:41:20,639 >> you're doing it for everything else. 2584 01:41:20,639 --> 01:41:23,199 I'll reiterate. 2585 01:41:23,199 --> 01:41:26,320 >> I'm I'm I'm okay with that. 2586 01:41:26,320 --> 01:41:29,920 Um and if it doesn't, we don't get a 2587 01:41:29,920 --> 01:41:32,480 good representative. Um 2588 01:41:32,480 --> 01:41:34,239 you know, any applicants, we have to go 2589 01:41:34,239 --> 01:41:41,109 outside and recruit. 2590 01:41:41,119 --> 01:41:44,560 » Let's start there. 2591 01:41:44,560 --> 01:41:46,320 >> I'm okay with it as long as we have the 2592 01:41:46,320 --> 01:41:49,679 key nonprofits at the table. Who's the 2593 01:41:49,679 --> 01:41:50,960 key nonprofit though? 2594 01:41:50,960 --> 01:41:52,480 >> Well, actually, I can think of more than 2595 01:41:52,480 --> 01:41:55,760 three. So, so I mean, it depends on the 2596 01:41:55,760 --> 01:41:57,440 number of the number that you put in 2597 01:41:57,440 --> 01:42:00,080 that. And if there's, you know, again, 2598 01:42:00,080 --> 01:42:02,400 to Monty's point, if if there's someone 2599 01:42:02,400 --> 01:42:03,760 that doesn't live in the city, we can 2600 01:42:03,760 --> 01:42:05,119 always have them come in. 2601 01:42:05,119 --> 01:42:07,360 >> That's right. That's absolutely right. 2602 01:42:07,360 --> 01:42:08,000 >> Or just Yeah. 2603 01:42:08,000 --> 01:42:08,800 >> Yeah. Draw 2604 01:42:08,800 --> 01:42:10,480 >> because the news will be open to the 2605 01:42:10,480 --> 01:42:11,199 anybody. 2606 01:42:11,199 --> 01:42:12,719 >> Yeah. 2607 01:42:12,719 --> 01:42:14,719 to Mr. Smith's 2608 01:42:14,719 --> 01:42:18,400 earlier point um and I I believe 2609 01:42:18,400 --> 01:42:21,280 presidents as well that like this did 2610 01:42:21,280 --> 01:42:25,679 you know come out of good cause and 2611 01:42:25,679 --> 01:42:27,520 the entire time I brought good cause 2612 01:42:27,520 --> 01:42:30,880 forward um I acknowledge that good cause 2613 01:42:30,880 --> 01:42:34,400 isn't the only solution um I think that 2614 01:42:34,400 --> 01:42:38,400 that's important that we recognize that there's other 2615 01:42:38,400 --> 01:42:41,440 solutions however 2616 01:42:41,440 --> 01:42:43,840 good cause 2617 01:42:43,840 --> 01:42:45,760 does offer 2618 01:42:45,760 --> 01:42:47,840 certain protections 2619 01:42:47,840 --> 01:42:50,080 that some of the other solutions might 2620 01:42:50,080 --> 01:42:53,920 not, you know, offer. So, I want to just 2621 01:42:53,920 --> 01:42:56,400 kind of like be mindful of that, that 2622 01:42:56,400 --> 01:42:58,320 the cause isn't the end all be all, but 2623 01:42:58,320 --> 01:43:00,560 there are some core things that happen 2624 01:43:00,560 --> 01:43:02,960 with good cause that would leave people 2625 01:43:02,960 --> 01:43:05,199 unprotected if we didn't consider that. 2626 01:43:05,199 --> 01:43:08,719 Um, as well as this doesn't have to 2627 01:43:08,719 --> 01:43:11,360 result in good cause based on the 2628 01:43:11,360 --> 01:43:14,000 findings of of of the task force. It 2629 01:43:14,000 --> 01:43:15,679 doesn't have to, but I don't want I want 2630 01:43:15,679 --> 01:43:17,679 to make sure that we're not taking that 2631 01:43:17,679 --> 01:43:19,760 off the table if the findings come forth 2632 01:43:19,760 --> 01:43:21,920 and say support, you know, if the data 2633 01:43:21,920 --> 01:43:22,639 supports it. 2634 01:43:22,639 --> 01:43:24,480 >> Yeah. And I think maybe the timing 2635 01:43:24,480 --> 01:43:26,159 around it we have we can have some of 2636 01:43:26,159 --> 01:43:27,840 the jurisdictions that have opted in 2637 01:43:27,840 --> 01:43:30,080 what their experience is and maybe hear 2638 01:43:30,080 --> 01:43:34,310 from them. 2639 01:43:34,320 --> 01:43:34,960 Okay. 2640 01:43:34,960 --> 01:43:36,000 >> Next step. 2641 01:43:36,000 --> 01:43:39,600 >> Yeah. What are the next steps? 2642 01:43:39,600 --> 01:43:41,920 >> You want to take those 2643 01:43:41,920 --> 01:43:44,800 make changes 2644 01:43:44,800 --> 01:43:47,840 in the language and then we can send 2645 01:43:47,840 --> 01:43:49,360 outations 2646 01:43:49,360 --> 01:43:53,669 post applications and notice. 2647 01:43:53,679 --> 01:43:56,400 So we you're okay with the the 2648 01:43:56,400 --> 01:43:57,920 resolution at this time. At this point 2649 01:43:57,920 --> 01:43:59,520 you're just looking at the application. 2650 01:43:59,520 --> 01:44:01,360 You're not changing anything as far as 2651 01:44:01,360 --> 01:44:04,400 the membership per se, are you? Or you 2652 01:44:04,400 --> 01:44:06,080 may, Mr. Mancini, you may want to 2653 01:44:06,080 --> 01:44:08,239 circulate that with your colleagues 2654 01:44:08,239 --> 01:44:10,400 based on the conversations here tonight 2655 01:44:10,400 --> 01:44:13,280 and see if everybody's on board and then 2656 01:44:13,280 --> 01:44:16,719 uh you know, if if necessary and if 2657 01:44:16,719 --> 01:44:18,480 everybody's on board, send it to the 2658 01:44:18,480 --> 01:44:20,159 Corporation Council's office and we'll 2659 01:44:20,159 --> 01:44:23,520 review the proposed application with the 2660 01:44:23,520 --> 01:44:25,440 resolution and see if anything further 2661 01:44:25,440 --> 01:44:28,550 needs to be done. 2662 01:44:28,560 --> 01:44:33,750 So, uh, Mr. O'Brins 2663 01:44:33,760 --> 01:44:36,239 is proposing and then the changes that 2664 01:44:36,239 --> 01:44:38,639 we talked about, do we need to make 2665 01:44:38,639 --> 01:44:40,320 those changes as well? 2666 01:44:40,320 --> 01:44:42,880 >> Yeah. What he what you all talked about 2667 01:44:42,880 --> 01:44:44,800 and what he the original document that 2668 01:44:44,800 --> 01:44:47,119 he submitted to you and then hand, you 2669 01:44:47,119 --> 01:44:49,040 know, the the the amendments here 2670 01:44:49,040 --> 01:44:49,679 tonight. 2671 01:44:49,679 --> 01:44:52,159 >> Okay. Um, if that can be cleaned up, 2672 01:44:52,159 --> 01:44:55,199 circulated, everybody's okay with that. 2673 01:44:55,199 --> 01:44:58,320 And then once that's okay, we will then 2674 01:44:58,320 --> 01:45:00,639 review it to the legislation and make a 2675 01:45:00,639 --> 01:45:02,960 determination whether it needs to be, 2676 01:45:02,960 --> 01:45:04,880 you know, put in a resolution form for 2677 01:45:04,880 --> 01:45:06,639 Monday night. That's okay with the 2678 01:45:06,639 --> 01:45:08,239 council members. 2679 01:45:08,239 --> 01:45:11,840 >> Yeah, that that's okay with me. Um, so 2680 01:45:11,840 --> 01:45:13,679 >> so are we, so are we looking based on 2681 01:45:13,679 --> 01:45:14,960 that to bring it back or we're going to 2682 01:45:14,960 --> 01:45:16,800 make those changes in the meantime? And 2683 01:45:16,800 --> 01:45:18,320 I think because you know everybody's 2684 01:45:18,320 --> 01:45:20,000 interested in getting this moving along 2685 01:45:20,000 --> 01:45:22,480 as quickly as possible. I think the if 2686 01:45:22,480 --> 01:45:24,080 it's circulated and everybody's okay 2687 01:45:24,080 --> 01:45:27,520 with it then we will u put it on 2688 01:45:27,520 --> 01:45:31,199 Monday's agenda as as agreed to by the 2689 01:45:31,199 --> 01:45:33,040 council members. 2690 01:45:33,040 --> 01:45:34,639 >> So Mr. R, let me just be clear. We 2691 01:45:34,639 --> 01:45:36,080 passed the resolution that we're going 2692 01:45:36,080 --> 01:45:37,440 to establish right 2693 01:45:37,440 --> 01:45:40,400 >> the uh this committee. So we have to now 2694 01:45:40,400 --> 01:45:42,000 pass a resolution for every single thing 2695 01:45:42,000 --> 01:45:43,119 that's going to happen throughout. 2696 01:45:43,119 --> 01:45:44,320 >> No, that's what I'm saying. We don't 2697 01:45:44,320 --> 01:45:45,920 have to do that. I just want to make 2698 01:45:45,920 --> 01:45:49,040 sure whatever was agreed to is in 2699 01:45:49,040 --> 01:45:51,119 conformance with the resolution, 2700 01:45:51,119 --> 01:45:51,679 >> okay, 2701 01:45:51,679 --> 01:45:54,239 >> that you passed last, you know, a few 2702 01:45:54,239 --> 01:45:56,000 weeks ago. So, if it's within the four 2703 01:45:56,000 --> 01:45:58,880 corners of that document, no legislative 2704 01:45:58,880 --> 01:46:00,400 action has to 2705 01:46:00,400 --> 01:46:02,719 >> except the resolution did um include 2706 01:46:02,719 --> 01:46:04,880 developers is what Mr. Mani said and 2707 01:46:04,880 --> 01:46:07,280 that now we're um we're looking at 2708 01:46:07,280 --> 01:46:13,109 removing that. So, is that going to 2709 01:46:13,119 --> 01:46:17,510 » Let's see. 2710 01:46:17,520 --> 01:46:19,119 It doesn't. Is it specific? 2711 01:46:19,119 --> 01:46:19,760 >> No, it is. 2712 01:46:19,760 --> 01:46:21,119 >> No, it's not. No, I think 2713 01:46:21,119 --> 01:46:23,440 >> Yeah, it did say developers. 2714 01:46:23,440 --> 01:46:24,960 >> It hasn't. 2715 01:46:24,960 --> 01:46:26,480 >> Yeah, it specifically said developers. 2716 01:46:26,480 --> 01:46:28,159 >> We would like input 2717 01:46:28,159 --> 01:46:42,790 >> and the second whereas 2718 01:46:42,800 --> 01:46:44,719 » Yeah. 2719 01:46:44,719 --> 01:46:45,679 the top 2720 01:46:45,679 --> 01:46:51,830 >> last sentence of the second 2721 01:46:51,840 --> 01:46:56,159 would like input. Um it's which you're 2722 01:46:56,159 --> 01:46:57,760 going to get you're going to get input 2723 01:46:57,760 --> 01:46:59,679 unless they have those 2724 01:46:59,679 --> 01:47:02,960 >> committees and because we like input 2725 01:47:02,960 --> 01:47:05,199 from stakeholders. So therefore the 2726 01:47:05,199 --> 01:47:07,760 developers would have input 2727 01:47:07,760 --> 01:47:10,000 as part of the the committee going 2728 01:47:10,000 --> 01:47:11,920 around and task force going around and 2729 01:47:11,920 --> 01:47:15,199 getting information. Um yeah I mean what 2730 01:47:15,199 --> 01:47:17,760 it says here that the housing stability 2731 01:47:17,760 --> 01:47:20,000 task force is established with some nine 2732 01:47:20,000 --> 01:47:23,280 volunteer members and uh including one 2733 01:47:23,280 --> 01:47:24,880 member of the city council. So that's 2734 01:47:24,880 --> 01:47:28,239 where it's it's it's specific as to the 2735 01:47:28,239 --> 01:47:30,960 membership. So right now it's just 2736 01:47:30,960 --> 01:47:32,719 saying you would like to get in the task 2737 01:47:32,719 --> 01:47:34,239 force would like to get information from 2738 01:47:34,239 --> 01:47:36,159 developers and other individuals. So 2739 01:47:36,159 --> 01:47:37,040 that's 2740 01:47:37,040 --> 01:47:39,119 >> so the fact that there's input would 2741 01:47:39,119 --> 01:47:41,119 serve would satisfy what we're how we're 2742 01:47:41,119 --> 01:47:43,360 talking about their input happen. Okay. 2743 01:47:43,360 --> 01:47:44,239 >> You like yes. 2744 01:47:44,239 --> 01:47:44,639 >> Okay. 2745 01:47:44,639 --> 01:47:46,639 >> Yep. What about the language around 2746 01:47:46,639 --> 01:47:47,920 having to reside in the city of 2747 01:47:47,920 --> 01:47:49,760 Skenctity 2748 01:47:49,760 --> 01:47:51,600 >> or is that just kind of a matter of 2749 01:47:51,600 --> 01:47:53,920 practice that we do with all of our I 2750 01:47:53,920 --> 01:47:57,360 guess with our committees 2751 01:47:57,360 --> 01:47:57,920 or is it 2752 01:47:57,920 --> 01:47:59,840 >> I think that 2753 01:47:59,840 --> 01:48:03,119 Um, it says here, "We'd like input from 2754 01:48:03,119 --> 01:48:05,040 stakeholders, including landlords that 2755 01:48:05,040 --> 01:48:06,719 own property in the city, tenants that 2756 01:48:06,719 --> 01:48:08,320 live in the city, and housing that serve 2757 01:48:08,320 --> 01:48:13,040 the city's residents." So, what you're doing as far as this 2758 01:48:13,040 --> 01:48:14,480 application is that they have to be 2759 01:48:14,480 --> 01:48:16,400 residents of the city, which which 2760 01:48:16,400 --> 01:48:18,639 broadly you're talking about here in the 2761 01:48:18,639 --> 01:48:20,080 resolution. 2762 01:48:20,080 --> 01:48:22,719 >> Okay. It's always so um you're you're 2763 01:48:22,719 --> 01:48:25,360 looking to keep residents because it 2764 01:48:25,360 --> 01:48:26,800 says right here we're like input from 2765 01:48:26,800 --> 01:48:28,400 state 2766 01:48:28,400 --> 01:48:35,189 and tenants that live in the city. 2767 01:48:35,199 --> 01:48:37,199 » That's the way this reads. A landlord 2768 01:48:37,199 --> 01:48:39,280 who owns property many landlords will 2769 01:48:39,280 --> 01:48:47,669 own property live outside the city. 2770 01:48:47,679 --> 01:48:49,360 » Right. But I think the criteria what 2771 01:48:49,360 --> 01:48:51,600 you're looking for for the people, you 2772 01:48:51,600 --> 01:48:52,800 know, the nine people that you're 2773 01:48:52,800 --> 01:48:54,239 looking for are residents, 2774 01:48:54,239 --> 01:48:55,360 >> right? 2775 01:48:55,360 --> 01:48:57,760 So that's 2776 01:48:57,760 --> 01:48:59,840 >> that's fine. I mean, 2777 01:48:59,840 --> 01:49:01,920 >> the way I'm looking at it, but you can 2778 01:49:01,920 --> 01:49:04,400 do that. You can it's when you're you're 2779 01:49:04,400 --> 01:49:06,239 keeping it residents. You're making that 2780 01:49:06,239 --> 01:49:09,600 makeup of of tenants, organizations. 2781 01:49:09,600 --> 01:49:11,360 You're going to get input from a broader 2782 01:49:11,360 --> 01:49:12,960 part of the community. And the 2783 01:49:12,960 --> 01:49:15,840 applications, you're saying residents. 2784 01:49:15,840 --> 01:49:17,600 >> Okay. Yes. And that's not different than 2785 01:49:17,600 --> 01:49:19,199 any other committee that we have. We 2786 01:49:19,199 --> 01:49:20,480 don't have to 2787 01:49:20,480 --> 01:49:22,159 >> Okay. 2788 01:49:22,159 --> 01:49:25,760 >> And like I said, but circulate it 2789 01:49:25,760 --> 01:49:28,320 amongst yourselves and then once it's 2790 01:49:28,320 --> 01:49:30,960 okay, um we'll take another look at it 2791 01:49:30,960 --> 01:49:35,440 to see whether it needs to have a res a 2792 01:49:35,440 --> 01:49:38,639 small resolution on it. Well, if we're 2793 01:49:38,639 --> 01:49:40,080 going to change anything at all, then I 2794 01:49:40,080 --> 01:49:41,360 don't see if we're going to change 2795 01:49:41,360 --> 01:49:44,159 things, then what would be the not 2796 01:49:44,159 --> 01:49:45,760 changing the language to have people 2797 01:49:45,760 --> 01:49:47,119 that was the city? If we're going to be 2798 01:49:47,119 --> 01:49:48,880 making some changes anyway, I would just 2799 01:49:48,880 --> 01:49:52,000 do it just so it's uh done as clean as 2800 01:49:52,000 --> 01:49:54,239 possible. 2801 01:49:54,239 --> 01:49:56,960 >> Mr. Mr. Ryan is not saying to change the 2802 01:49:56,960 --> 01:49:57,600 resolution. 2803 01:49:57,600 --> 01:49:59,840 >> No, I'm I'm saying that he's saying 2804 01:49:59,840 --> 01:50:03,600 circulate the ideas. 2805 01:50:03,600 --> 01:50:04,320 in the 2806 01:50:04,320 --> 01:50:05,920 >> in the circulation of ideas. 2807 01:50:05,920 --> 01:50:08,719 >> If we end up changing something, then 2808 01:50:08,719 --> 01:50:10,320 let's make sure that we change that to 2809 01:50:10,320 --> 01:50:12,800 if we change something. 2810 01:50:12,800 --> 01:50:17,040 >> Just um so I think right now it's within 2811 01:50:17,040 --> 01:50:19,440 the the four corners of the document. 2812 01:50:19,440 --> 01:50:22,080 >> However, I will need to take one look at 2813 01:50:22,080 --> 01:50:23,520 it again. 2814 01:50:23,520 --> 01:50:25,520 >> I think in in the application that we're 2815 01:50:25,520 --> 01:50:27,119 uh putting out, it should it should say 2816 01:50:27,119 --> 01:50:27,920 that. 2817 01:50:27,920 --> 01:50:29,760 >> Yeah. 2818 01:50:29,760 --> 01:50:31,760 Okay. for the uh recognition matter 2819 01:50:31,760 --> 01:50:34,320 process. Okay. 2820 01:50:34,320 --> 01:50:36,560 Any other thoughts, questions, 2821 01:50:36,560 --> 01:50:38,080 concerns or obnoxious comments around 2822 01:50:38,080 --> 01:50:39,679 that, Madam President? 2823 01:50:39,679 --> 01:50:41,520 >> So, I just want to like give a keep 2824 01:50:41,520 --> 01:50:42,719 track of the timeline that we're going 2825 01:50:42,719 --> 01:50:44,719 to have here. Uh we initially said that 2826 01:50:44,719 --> 01:50:47,040 this is going to be 120 days, but I'm 2827 01:50:47,040 --> 01:50:49,040 guessing that we're this time of 2828 01:50:49,040 --> 01:50:52,239 convening the task force. Uh the 2829 01:50:52,239 --> 01:50:54,320 representatives on the task force is not 2830 01:50:54,320 --> 01:50:56,960 included in the 120 days 120 days, Mr. 2831 01:50:56,960 --> 01:50:59,520 Hansy. Is that correct? deliver a report 2832 01:50:59,520 --> 01:51:02,239 within 120 days of its first meeting. 2833 01:51:02,239 --> 01:51:03,520 >> Okay. So, how 2834 01:51:03,520 --> 01:51:04,800 >> it starts with the first meeting. 2835 01:51:04,800 --> 01:51:06,639 >> So, what's our timeline in terms of 2836 01:51:06,639 --> 01:51:08,639 getting this task force established with 2837 01:51:08,639 --> 01:51:13,270 people on board? 2838 01:51:13,280 --> 01:51:14,880 » No, 2839 01:51:14,880 --> 01:51:17,679 let's do 30 days. Just two weeks. We're 2840 01:51:17,679 --> 01:51:19,760 going to send out the application 2841 01:51:19,760 --> 01:51:22,560 >> for two weeks. So, 30 days. 2842 01:51:22,560 --> 01:51:23,199 >> 30 days. 2843 01:51:23,199 --> 01:51:23,520 >> Yeah. 2844 01:51:23,520 --> 01:51:25,280 >> To establish and have the first meeting. 2845 01:51:25,280 --> 01:51:27,440 >> Okay. With that being said, we'll do a 2846 01:51:27,440 --> 01:51:29,520 resolution, right? 2847 01:51:29,520 --> 01:51:32,080 >> I knew that was coming. 2848 01:51:32,080 --> 01:51:34,960 >> Okay, let's we'll do 30 days because now 2849 01:51:34,960 --> 01:51:36,880 you're you're you're sending a benchmark 2850 01:51:36,880 --> 01:51:39,679 and and that and so 2851 01:51:39,679 --> 01:51:42,080 >> Okay, so now we need a we'll do a 2852 01:51:42,080 --> 01:51:43,040 resolution. 2853 01:51:43,040 --> 01:51:45,040 >> Okay. 2854 01:51:45,040 --> 01:51:47,520 to include 2855 01:51:47,520 --> 01:51:48,880 >> to include 2856 01:51:48,880 --> 01:51:51,840 >> uh 30 days benchmark and and just that 2857 01:51:51,840 --> 01:51:54,560 we'll look at how everything has been 2858 01:51:54,560 --> 01:51:56,080 changed here this evening. We'll put 2859 01:51:56,080 --> 01:51:58,560 that into the resolution too. Since it's 2860 01:51:58,560 --> 01:52:00,800 since you're putting a benchmark right 2861 01:52:00,800 --> 01:52:03,199 now it's it's a broad 120 days. Now 2862 01:52:03,199 --> 01:52:05,440 you're giving them marching orders, you 2863 01:52:05,440 --> 01:52:08,639 know, 30 days, you know, a start point. 2864 01:52:08,639 --> 01:52:10,800 So we need to put that in there. It's a 2865 01:52:10,800 --> 01:52:11,840 followup. 2866 01:52:11,840 --> 01:52:13,599 I think that we should be we should do 2867 01:52:13,599 --> 01:52:15,760 that because we said 100 we said 120 2868 01:52:15,760 --> 01:52:17,840 days and uh the people have expectations 2869 01:52:17,840 --> 01:52:19,840 of when we're going to be doing what we 2870 01:52:19,840 --> 01:52:20,960 said we're going to do. 2871 01:52:20,960 --> 01:52:25,920 >> Right. Right. Okay. 2872 01:52:25,920 --> 01:52:30,400 So we'll take a motion motion to amend 2873 01:52:30,400 --> 01:52:31,520 along those lines. 2874 01:52:31,520 --> 01:52:35,040 >> Okay. Well, I'll only take questions. 2875 01:52:35,040 --> 01:52:38,960 >> Um, so with regard to um, so when we 2876 01:52:38,960 --> 01:52:41,199 write this is the thought with regard to 2877 01:52:41,199 --> 01:52:43,199 the nonprofit since they are going to 2878 01:52:43,199 --> 01:52:45,040 have people who live in the city, is it 2879 01:52:45,040 --> 01:52:47,280 going to be people that specifically 2880 01:52:47,280 --> 01:52:49,599 work at the nonprofits or a an appointed 2881 01:52:49,599 --> 01:52:51,920 representative from the nonprofit that 2882 01:52:51,920 --> 01:52:53,119 lives in the city? 2883 01:52:53,119 --> 01:52:55,119 >> Anyone that serves on the board needs to 2884 01:52:55,119 --> 01:52:56,239 live in the city, 2885 01:52:56,239 --> 01:52:58,480 >> right? uh in terms of the not forprofits 2886 01:52:58,480 --> 01:53:01,119 that um will be represented. 2887 01:53:01,119 --> 01:53:02,639 >> No, there will be for every even the 2888 01:53:02,639 --> 01:53:04,560 nonprofit has to have a city resident on 2889 01:53:04,560 --> 01:53:05,199 every one, 2890 01:53:05,199 --> 01:53:07,440 >> right? But is it that they appoint a 2891 01:53:07,440 --> 01:53:09,360 that they put forth a person? 2892 01:53:09,360 --> 01:53:10,480 >> They work for the they work for 2893 01:53:10,480 --> 01:53:12,480 >> they work for them. 2894 01:53:12,480 --> 01:53:14,080 >> They work for the organization. 2895 01:53:14,080 --> 01:53:15,920 Okay. 2896 01:53:15,920 --> 01:53:16,960 >> Because we're looking for a certain 2897 01:53:16,960 --> 01:53:18,159 level of expertise. 2898 01:53:18,159 --> 01:53:19,440 >> Okay. I just want to make sure we get it 2899 01:53:19,440 --> 01:53:19,920 right. 2900 01:53:19,920 --> 01:53:21,679 >> Gotcha. That's my understanding. 2901 01:53:21,679 --> 01:53:24,000 >> Yeah. Yeah. I'm Yeah. Okay. I think 2902 01:53:24,000 --> 01:53:24,560 we're almost 2903 01:53:24,560 --> 01:53:27,040 >> Well, I mean, I will say sorry. 2904 01:53:27,040 --> 01:53:30,159 >> Um I mean, again, if it was Habitat for 2905 01:53:30,159 --> 01:53:31,840 Humanity, 2906 01:53:31,840 --> 01:53:34,320 you know, one of the homeowners 2907 01:53:34,320 --> 01:53:37,119 could be appointed. I know I'm not 2908 01:53:37,119 --> 01:53:38,239 saying that they would, but I'm just 2909 01:53:38,239 --> 01:53:40,320 saying that person, 2910 01:53:40,320 --> 01:53:43,679 you know, you might want to be open to 2911 01:53:43,679 --> 01:53:46,639 whether the whether the nonprofit I I 2912 01:53:46,639 --> 01:53:48,880 don't know. Can Can I just um Can we 2913 01:53:48,880 --> 01:53:50,639 just like center on Habitat for 2914 01:53:50,639 --> 01:53:52,719 Humanity? Isn't their goal to make 2915 01:53:52,719 --> 01:53:54,000 homeowners and we're really talking 2916 01:53:54,000 --> 01:53:57,350 about renters? 2917 01:53:57,360 --> 01:53:59,119 » True. 2918 01:53:59,119 --> 01:54:01,119 >> I just thought, well, no, no, because 2919 01:54:01,119 --> 01:54:02,960 again, don't forget that the task force 2920 01:54:02,960 --> 01:54:05,599 is not just about good cause eviction. 2921 01:54:05,599 --> 01:54:07,280 The task force is supposed to be looking 2922 01:54:07,280 --> 01:54:09,119 at housing stability in the city of 2923 01:54:09,119 --> 01:54:11,840 Skenctity. So, it's it's the broader 2924 01:54:11,840 --> 01:54:14,800 issue of housing that this task force is 2925 01:54:14,800 --> 01:54:17,599 going to be looking at. So, for example, 2926 01:54:17,599 --> 01:54:19,360 um any of those organizations and 2927 01:54:19,360 --> 01:54:21,199 nonprofits, I mean, they would all be 2928 01:54:21,199 --> 01:54:23,679 concerned with housing stability. I 2929 01:54:23,679 --> 01:54:26,000 mean, and so, you know what I'm saying? 2930 01:54:26,000 --> 01:54:28,400 I mean, it's not just about renting. 2931 01:54:28,400 --> 01:54:30,000 >> This task force is not just about 2932 01:54:30,000 --> 01:54:32,080 renters. We have to remember that. 2933 01:54:32,080 --> 01:54:33,840 >> Well, I think we should remember where 2934 01:54:33,840 --> 01:54:36,000 we started because and let's not ever 2935 01:54:36,000 --> 01:54:38,400 lose sight of that because I feel like 2936 01:54:38,400 --> 01:54:41,040 we're very far a field of what the 2937 01:54:41,040 --> 01:54:43,599 initial intention was to do something. 2938 01:54:43,599 --> 01:54:45,119 we weren't doing good cause but to do 2939 01:54:45,119 --> 01:54:46,639 something that addressed the issues that 2940 01:54:46,639 --> 01:54:48,800 good cause brings forward. So I think we 2941 01:54:48,800 --> 01:54:52,320 should not lose sight of that. 2942 01:54:52,320 --> 01:54:53,040 >> So 2943 01:54:53,040 --> 01:54:56,800 >> well for for my just for my point of 2944 01:54:56,800 --> 01:55:01,360 clarity is that if we're we're asking 2945 01:55:01,360 --> 01:55:05,119 people from the nonprofit to be involved 2946 01:55:05,119 --> 01:55:08,400 in the task force that's based on their 2947 01:55:08,400 --> 01:55:12,400 level of expertise on the issue. So, my 2948 01:55:12,400 --> 01:55:14,239 thing is 2949 01:55:14,239 --> 01:55:16,080 whoever they're assigning to the task 2950 01:55:16,080 --> 01:55:18,000 force 2951 01:55:18,000 --> 01:55:20,320 just has to uh live in the city of 2952 01:55:20,320 --> 01:55:22,080 Connecticut like any of our other 2953 01:55:22,080 --> 01:55:26,000 things. And um I guess Mr. Mini, this 2954 01:55:26,000 --> 01:55:28,719 would be kind of something for you to 2955 01:55:28,719 --> 01:55:32,480 kind of shed some light on because the 2956 01:55:32,480 --> 01:55:36,960 task force was kind of birthed out of 2957 01:55:36,960 --> 01:55:40,239 the conversations around good cause. We 2958 01:55:40,239 --> 01:55:42,880 don't want to make it so that it's 2959 01:55:42,880 --> 01:55:44,400 everything because if it's everything 2960 01:55:44,400 --> 01:55:47,920 it's nothing, right? Like you know um 2961 01:55:47,920 --> 01:55:50,639 you know so I so I just kind of maybe if 2962 01:55:50,639 --> 01:55:54,719 you could provide a little bit I mean 2963 01:55:54,719 --> 01:55:56,480 based on the resolution maybe we should 2964 01:55:56,480 --> 01:55:58,080 look at the resolution. 2965 01:55:58,080 --> 01:56:00,080 >> Mr. Chairman, you know, I'm looking at 2966 01:56:00,080 --> 01:56:02,239 the resolution and it really is dealing 2967 01:56:02,239 --> 01:56:04,159 with local housing trends and eviction 2968 01:56:04,159 --> 01:56:06,719 filings and and rent burdens and vacancy 2969 01:56:06,719 --> 01:56:10,000 rates. Um and and it does in light of 2970 01:56:10,000 --> 01:56:12,400 such a review and public input reporting 2971 01:56:12,400 --> 01:56:14,239 with 2972 01:56:14,239 --> 01:56:16,639 120 days and we're going to say 30 days 2973 01:56:16,639 --> 01:56:19,520 from next week. Um we'll have their 2974 01:56:19,520 --> 01:56:21,119 first meeting. Correct. Is that what 2975 01:56:21,119 --> 01:56:23,040 we're talking about? And then the 2976 01:56:23,040 --> 01:56:25,040 potential impact of good cause eviction 2977 01:56:25,040 --> 01:56:26,960 recommended. So it's really focused not 2978 01:56:26,960 --> 01:56:28,800 on home ownership. I'm just looking at 2979 01:56:28,800 --> 01:56:31,199 the resolution. It's it's dealing with 2980 01:56:31,199 --> 01:56:32,000 tenants. 2981 01:56:32,000 --> 01:56:33,280 >> It is not you said 2982 01:56:33,280 --> 01:56:35,040 >> it's not dealing with it's not dealing 2983 01:56:35,040 --> 01:56:36,800 with Yeah. 2984 01:56:36,800 --> 01:56:38,880 you know, home ownership is dealing with 2985 01:56:38,880 --> 01:56:41,119 rental and tenant investments, possible 2986 01:56:41,119 --> 01:56:43,520 solutions and tenant protection. 2987 01:56:43,520 --> 01:56:46,080 >> So, I read it I read it differently. 2988 01:56:46,080 --> 01:56:48,639 >> Okay. So, how that wouldn't be in that 2989 01:56:48,639 --> 01:56:53,510 case. So, all right. So, 2990 01:56:53,520 --> 01:56:57,040 » well, I I mean, I supported this. Um 2991 01:56:57,040 --> 01:56:58,719 I I really thought it was going to look 2992 01:56:58,719 --> 01:57:01,040 overall at housing issues and housing 2993 01:57:01,040 --> 01:57:03,199 stability within the city. As it says in 2994 01:57:03,199 --> 01:57:05,360 the first the background information, 2995 01:57:05,360 --> 01:57:07,199 the task force is to consider strategies 2996 01:57:07,199 --> 01:57:09,679 to improve housing stability in the city 2997 01:57:09,679 --> 01:57:11,280 of Skenctity. 2998 01:57:11,280 --> 01:57:13,040 >> Yeah. But they they but the charging 2999 01:57:13,040 --> 01:57:14,800 document the charge what they are 3000 01:57:14,800 --> 01:57:17,199 charged with is conducting a review of 3001 01:57:17,199 --> 01:57:19,840 local housing trends, eviction filings, 3002 01:57:19,840 --> 01:57:22,159 rent burdens and vacancy rates. That's 3003 01:57:22,159 --> 01:57:23,599 the charge. 3004 01:57:23,599 --> 01:57:25,199 >> So, you know, and it says across the 3005 01:57:25,199 --> 01:57:28,880 housing spectrum in the third bullet. I don't know. I mean, I I really want to 3006 01:57:28,880 --> 01:57:31,280 get at I I really thought that this was 3007 01:57:31,280 --> 01:57:34,800 going to have a broader focus, but 3008 01:57:34,800 --> 01:57:35,520 >> Mr. Williams, 3009 01:57:35,520 --> 01:57:37,840 >> I thought home ownership would be part 3010 01:57:37,840 --> 01:57:38,320 of it. 3011 01:57:38,320 --> 01:57:42,239 >> I think what's clear is that just in the manner in which this was presented 3012 01:57:42,239 --> 01:57:44,639 to the council, it was extremely rushed 3013 01:57:44,639 --> 01:57:47,679 and in that degree of urgency, there 3014 01:57:47,679 --> 01:57:50,080 were misunderstandings which we are now 3015 01:57:50,080 --> 01:57:52,000 trying to capture amid having two 3016 01:57:52,000 --> 01:57:54,239 council members not here. So I although 3017 01:57:54,239 --> 01:57:56,639 I was not in support of this task force 3018 01:57:56,639 --> 01:57:58,400 moving forward, I would hope there are 3019 01:57:58,400 --> 01:58:01,040 no continued delays because although the 3020 01:58:01,040 --> 01:58:03,520 work that they are being directed to 3021 01:58:03,520 --> 01:58:06,639 perform is questionable to my standards, 3022 01:58:06,639 --> 01:58:08,719 um it is still more it's still important 3023 01:58:08,719 --> 01:58:10,480 and there's a value to it. So I think we 3024 01:58:10,480 --> 01:58:12,400 have to get this started if this is what 3025 01:58:12,400 --> 01:58:14,400 is presented in front of us and I 3026 01:58:14,400 --> 01:58:15,520 believe the conversation we had here 3027 01:58:15,520 --> 01:58:19,520 tonight is very uh productive and then I 3028 01:58:19,520 --> 01:58:21,119 would hope that this yields positive 3029 01:58:21,119 --> 01:58:26,950 impacts for the community. 3030 01:58:26,960 --> 01:58:29,199 And will, you know, and then will there 3031 01:58:29,199 --> 01:58:31,119 be a amendment to this resolution? Just 3032 01:58:31,119 --> 01:58:33,440 to clarify that this bill will have this 3033 01:58:33,440 --> 01:58:36,080 task force will have its first meeting 3034 01:58:36,080 --> 01:58:39,199 30 days from 3035 01:58:39,199 --> 01:58:40,560 Monday night 3036 01:58:40,560 --> 01:58:43,440 >> or when the mayor signs it And that'll 3037 01:58:43,440 --> 01:58:48,400 be the first name and the 120 days will 3038 01:58:48,400 --> 01:58:51,280 just to be clear is is is is will be 3039 01:58:51,280 --> 01:58:53,520 added on to that 30. 3040 01:58:53,520 --> 01:58:54,719 >> Right. Correct. 3041 01:58:54,719 --> 01:58:58,950 >> All right. 3042 01:58:58,960 --> 01:59:00,880 » And the residency piece will be a more 3043 01:59:00,880 --> 01:59:04,159 operational piece of the application. 3044 01:59:04,159 --> 01:59:09,119 Um is if you know just just for just if 3045 01:59:09,119 --> 01:59:11,679 you want to have residents that if 3046 01:59:11,679 --> 01:59:13,520 they're you know residents priority 3047 01:59:13,520 --> 01:59:16,560 shall be given to residents of the city 3048 01:59:16,560 --> 01:59:18,320 >> uh to sit on this board 3049 01:59:18,320 --> 01:59:22,159 >> whether they or they they they represent 3050 01:59:22,159 --> 01:59:24,239 a nonprofit and they they are they're a 3051 01:59:24,239 --> 01:59:26,480 resident of the city and they represent 3052 01:59:26,480 --> 01:59:28,080 the nonprofit and they're a resident in 3053 01:59:28,080 --> 01:59:28,639 the city. 3054 01:59:28,639 --> 01:59:30,560 >> Yeah. That they could represent whatever 3055 01:59:30,560 --> 01:59:32,400 they want but they need to live in the 3056 01:59:32,400 --> 01:59:34,480 city. That's All nine members. 3057 01:59:34,480 --> 01:59:35,280 >> Yep. 3058 01:59:35,280 --> 01:59:36,239 >> Okay. 3059 01:59:36,239 --> 01:59:37,520 >> All right. Thank you. So, I'll entertain 3060 01:59:37,520 --> 01:59:40,639 a motion. 3061 01:59:40,639 --> 01:59:41,679 >> So, move. 3062 01:59:41,679 --> 01:59:43,360 >> Second. 3063 01:59:43,360 --> 01:59:45,679 >> All those in favor? 3064 01:59:45,679 --> 01:59:51,360 >> Thank you. With that, I call to adjourn. 3065 01:59:51,360 --> 01:59:53,119 >> You have to second. 3066 01:59:53,119 --> 01:59:54,080 >> Yeah. Okay. 3067 01:59:54,080 --> 01:59:54,880 >> You have to second. 3068 01:59:54,880 --> 01:59:56,800 >> You know what? Being that you're being a 3069 01:59:56,800 --> 01:59:58,080 task force, like come on, you're in 3070 01:59:58,080 --> 02:00:01,280 this. Okay. I second that. All in favor? 3071 02:00:01,280 --> 02:00:02,719 Thank you, Madam President. Appreciate 3072 02:00:02,719 --> 02:00:04,480 that. 3073 02:00:04,480 --> 02:00:06,560 Okay. You going to be on committee now. 3074 02:00:06,560 --> 02:00:08,480 All right. So, let's adjourn government 3075 02:00:08,480 --> 02:00:11,119 operations. I'll accept the motion. 3076 02:00:11,119 --> 02:00:12,480 >> I'll motion to adjurnn. 3077 02:00:12,480 --> 02:00:14,480 >> I'll second that. All in favor? I 3078 02:00:14,480 --> 02:00:15,840 >> we are ajourned. 3079 02:00:15,840 --> 02:00:17,760 >> Thank you. I will call to order city 3080 02:00:17,760 --> 02:00:19,920 development and planning. And our first 3081 02:00:19,920 --> 02:00:21,520 uh we have excuse me, we have nine items 3082 02:00:21,520 --> 02:00:23,920 on the agenda. And the first item is uh 3083 02:00:23,920 --> 02:00:26,560 to authorize issuance of a re revocable 3084 02:00:26,560 --> 02:00:30,480 commit number 690 to grand slant grand 3085 02:00:30,480 --> 02:00:33,280 salon hair studio for a sign of 3086 02:00:33,280 --> 02:00:35,440 overhanging right away on the face of 3087 02:00:35,440 --> 02:00:38,080 the building at 98 connect New York. 3088 02:00:38,080 --> 02:00:40,080 Welcome Mr. Wall. 3089 02:00:40,080 --> 02:00:41,679 >> Hi. 3090 02:00:41,679 --> 02:00:43,920 This is a sign overhanging the rightway 3091 02:00:43,920 --> 02:00:46,880 at 98. It's for a salon and new we 3092 02:00:46,880 --> 02:00:52,390 renovated the building. 3093 02:00:52,400 --> 02:00:54,480 » So where um can you just kind of give me 3094 02:00:54,480 --> 02:00:56,719 where the salon is? I know you is like 3095 02:00:56,719 --> 02:00:58,159 this long. 3096 02:00:58,159 --> 02:01:00,080 >> Um where exactly 3097 02:01:00,080 --> 02:01:00,639 >> the building? 3098 02:01:00,639 --> 02:01:01,040 >> Yeah. Yeah. 3099 02:01:01,040 --> 02:01:02,400 >> It's the building that was across from 3100 02:01:02,400 --> 02:01:04,480 the former Bailey's restaurant on the 3101 02:01:04,480 --> 02:01:06,560 corner of that in the alleyway. 3102 02:01:06,560 --> 02:01:07,280 >> Oh, okay. 3103 02:01:07,280 --> 02:01:09,360 >> It is a brick two-story building that 3104 02:01:09,360 --> 02:01:11,119 was just refurbished and I believe it's 3105 02:01:11,119 --> 02:01:13,440 going to be at the corner entrance. 3106 02:01:13,440 --> 02:01:14,880 >> Okay. So that's that little island that 3107 02:01:14,880 --> 02:01:16,000 takes you out to J Street. 3108 02:01:16,000 --> 02:01:17,360 >> Uh yes. Yep. 3109 02:01:17,360 --> 02:01:19,040 >> Okay. 3110 02:01:19,040 --> 02:01:21,040 Any questions? 3111 02:01:21,040 --> 02:01:23,360 I'll move it. I'll second. All those in 3112 02:01:23,360 --> 02:01:27,679 favor? Thank you. Thank you, Mr. Wall. 3113 02:01:27,679 --> 02:01:29,840 >> Okay. Uh the next item is just a 3114 02:01:29,840 --> 02:01:34,159 reminder of the U proposed 2025 26 HUD 3115 02:01:34,159 --> 02:01:36,400 annual action plan um public hearing 3116 02:01:36,400 --> 02:01:39,280 which is to be held on August 25th. 3117 02:01:39,280 --> 02:01:41,199 >> So do any emotions for this? 3118 02:01:41,199 --> 02:01:42,800 >> No. No, you're all set. Are we all set 3119 02:01:42,800 --> 02:01:43,679 for that? 3120 02:01:43,679 --> 02:01:46,480 >> All right. Um, the remainder of the 3121 02:01:46,480 --> 02:01:48,159 items have to do with property and 3122 02:01:48,159 --> 02:01:51,040 property sales. So, I would ask for a 3123 02:01:51,040 --> 02:01:55,520 motion to Okay. Recess. So, move. 3124 02:01:55,520 --> 02:01:59,520 Second. All those in favor? I recess. 3125 02:01:59,520 --> 02:02:00,800 >> So, I'd like to call the order of the 3126 02:02:00,800 --> 02:02:02,239 claims committee. We have one item on 3127 02:02:02,239 --> 02:02:06,790 the agenda tonight. It is a tax consu 3128 02:02:06,790 --> 02:02:08,080 [Music] 3129 02:02:08,080 --> 02:02:09,840 discuss executive sessions. We have a 3130 02:02:09,840 --> 02:02:12,400 motion to enter sessions. 3131 02:02:12,400 --> 02:02:15,199 Second. All in favor? I executive 3132 02:02:15,199 --> 02:02:23,170 session. 3133 02:02:23,180 --> 02:03:21,840 [Music] 3134 02:03:21,840 --> 02:03:25,660 Heat. Heat. 3135 02:03:25,670 --> 02:03:27,679 [Music] 3136 02:03:27,679 --> 02:03:31,470 Heat. Heat. N. 3137 02:03:31,480 --> 02:03:39,700 [Music]