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[5:23] call to order connected city council
[5:25] committee meeting for Tuesday September
[5:28] 2nd 2025. We're going to begin uh with a
[5:31] presentation by our engineer chief uh
[5:34] Chris Wallen.
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[5:40] Thank you. Uh due to the length of the
[5:43] agenda and all that I would just not
[5:45] going to be a presentation public
[5:47] information meeting talk about the
[5:48] presentation. So as you see in your
[5:51] legislative request form I have a the
[5:54] background summary there. So what we did
[5:56] is this as part of um the infra
[5:59] infrastructure act a couple years ago
[6:01] there was a safe streets for all SS4A
[6:03] grants that came out through the DOS. um
[6:07] our MO the Capital Region Transportation
[6:09] Council um applied for one for the
[6:11] region uh which we participated in. Um
[6:14] so they uh held the agreement with the
[6:16] consultant and we were a participant in
[6:18] that. Um what they did was they looked
[6:21] at um crash hotspots in the communities
[6:24] in each community. Um to Skenctity's
[6:27] credit, they actually came and we met
[6:29] and I believe Alex was at the meeting as
[6:30] well and they came through and they said
[6:32] um here's a list of the hotspots, Crane
[6:35] Street, Albany Street, um State Street,
[6:40] Erie Boulevard. We went through and we
[6:41] went down and said we did a Crane Street
[6:43] linkage study. We have an Albany Street
[6:45] project. We have an Erie Boulevard
[6:46] project. So we actually are working on
[6:49] most of what their list was, but one of
[6:50] the streets was also Eastern Avenue.
[6:53] has seen a lot of
[6:54] development in various ways and also a
[6:57] lot of change. So, we decided to focus
[6:59] on Eastern Avenue. So, the study area
[7:01] was Eastern Avenue from Not Terrace up
[7:04] to Elmer Avenue. Um, that area, like I
[7:07] said, has gone through a lot of changes.
[7:09] And what it is hard, I'll just try to be
[7:11] as brief as possible with it, is for
[7:13] people today to understand why certain
[7:15] things existed who might not have been
[7:18] here 10 years ago, 20 years ago, 40
[7:21] years ago. So if you were to drive the
[7:23] corridor, you would find two traffic
[7:25] lights on the corridor. Um, one at
[7:28] Mcurving and one at Elmer. Both of those
[7:30] lights were installed when there were
[7:32] two active elementary schools. So we had
[7:36] a school at St. Mary's, we had a school
[7:38] Elmer Avenue. The schools have changed,
[7:41] neighborhood has changed, but the
[7:43] signals remain. So part of this was
[7:46] looking are those signals actually
[7:47] warranted and to bring something into
[7:49] more perspective would be um over at
[7:52] Becker and Brandy Wine we had an
[7:54] automobile accident that took out a
[7:56] signal right at that intersection. I'm
[7:59] working with our signal superintendent
[8:00] who is not a local person and we're
[8:02] trying he's looking through he's saying
[8:04] this signal really doesn't make a lot of
[8:05] sense. I said well what you don't know
[8:07] is where the parking lot is where it
[8:10] seems like a very odd large parking lot
[8:12] that was a school. So, this is another
[8:14] signal that was put in during a school.
[8:16] So, we are looking at putting something
[8:18] back at that intersection that might not
[8:20] be a signal. We're looking at a
[8:22] different uh rapid flashing beacon,
[8:24] something else so that you can cross the
[8:25] street. But, as the city changes, we
[8:27] don't need to develop it the way that it
[8:29] was 40 years ago or 20 years ago. So,
[8:34] that is what this is. Um, we will be
[8:36] holding and I will leave these out even
[8:38] though this was also developed. Uh, we
[8:39] are holding a virtual meeting. This is
[8:42] the preferred venue for this type uh for
[8:44] this type of project. They've done
[8:45] virtual meetings for the Albany project
[8:47] and Saratoga project. So this is
[8:49] Skenctities. Uh it's a week from now
[8:51] virtually Tuesday, September 9th, 5:30
[8:53] to 7:00. And we'll be discussing uh two
[8:56] concepts that we have. The first concept
[8:59] is fairly uh simple to implement and
[9:03] requires um new new crosswalks at
[9:06] certain areas. U painting some new
[9:08] crosswalks where we see a lot of
[9:09] pedestrian activity. the removal of
[9:11] those signals, insulation of um rapid
[9:15] flashing beacons and things because, you
[9:17] know, if you were to if you were to live
[9:19] in the St. Mary's converted, you know,
[9:20] that's a timed signal. It's not even
[9:22] actuated. You just wait. Um and I've
[9:25] never videoed it. We don't want to, but
[9:26] you know, people might not wait just
[9:28] because they're there. And then you get
[9:29] into are people actually paying
[9:31] attention to the signals. And that
[9:33] actually for colleagues of mine who work
[9:35] at um engineering areas in the DOT,
[9:37] they've actually noted those signals as
[9:39] being just completely outdated. Same
[9:41] thing with Elmer Avenue. Elmer Avenue is
[9:42] actually green for the entirety until
[9:45] you activate it on Elmer and then it
[9:47] will go into a flash system. So now that
[9:51] it's not there, now it is a senior
[9:53] housing. Is that really necessary? And
[9:54] then the second option, which is the
[9:56] more to a consultant, uh the more
[10:00] alluring option is to actually turn
[10:02] Eastern Avenue into a one-way street
[10:04] from not terrace to essentially ranking.
[10:08] Um and the idea with something like that
[10:09] is if you were to do that, then you
[10:11] could take that real estate second and
[10:14] you could implement a bike lane for
[10:16] both. Um and then you would have uh a
[10:19] neighborhood bike lane and you would
[10:20] still use Union Street as your two-way.
[10:22] And most streets then we'd have to, you
[10:24] know, the side streets would have to be
[10:26] looked at. But um it gives you a lot of
[10:28] opportunity. Uh parking on one side,
[10:30] bike lane on one side and then and then
[10:33] the traffic uh one way up. But that is
[10:35] the the interesting uh the interesting
[10:38] concept. Um I think it does have some
[10:40] merit and I would look to hear from
[10:42] people on the corridor what they think
[10:44] of it. Um you know the corridor has
[10:47] changed quite a bit. We do have quite a
[10:49] bit of blocks in between that you would
[10:50] be able to get on and off of it. the
[10:52] bike lane would be two-way two-way just
[10:54] to make sure it wouldn't be just up with
[10:56] that. It would be an actual two-way bike
[10:59] lane. And then there's, you know,
[11:00] multiple ways to do it. You could do it
[11:01] the way that we're looking on Craig
[11:03] Street, which is a completely separated
[11:05] raised bike lane, or you could do it
[11:07] just through striping, which is similar
[11:08] to what we did on Washington Avenue with
[11:10] a a bright painted or delineated thing
[11:13] uh lane up the side. So, that's what
[11:15] we'll be uh discussing on September uh
[11:18] 9th. Um there is no implementation
[11:21] money. This is something that just like
[11:25] uh the Crane Street projects and Albany
[11:28] Street and that this is going to you
[11:30] know it's a study. I know people
[11:31] sometimes get frustrated with studies
[11:33] because it you know it took us a very
[11:35] long time to implement Craig Street.
[11:36] That's a $13 million project. This isn't
[11:38] that but we also have to work together
[11:41] as the council development engineering
[11:43] and the mayor's office to see what are
[11:45] our priorities. Um, if the reviews of
[11:48] something like this are positive and we
[11:50] think that there is a way to to
[11:53] implement a one-way cheaply with paint
[11:55] and we really think it'll have a
[11:56] positive on the community, we could do
[11:58] that. Um, if we think that it's
[12:00] positive, but we want to do the
[12:02] separated, well, now we're talking about
[12:03] a multiple seven figure job and then
[12:05] we'd have to go after funding. But do we
[12:07] want to do that or we want to work on
[12:08] Albany Street? You know, we really have
[12:10] to weigh where we are. Um I don't know
[12:12] how uh public works projects fit into
[12:14] the comprehensive plan that we're
[12:16] working on, but you know that's
[12:17] something that we do have going on right
[12:19] now is this comprehensive plan for the
[12:21] entire city. And I'm hoping that there's
[12:23] a little bit dedicated to the direction
[12:24] of public works and where we put uh our
[12:27] money. But um this is where we are. If
[12:29] you have any questions, you can ask me
[12:31] now or I encourage everybody to uh to
[12:33] attend virtually in a week.
[12:37] » Okay.
[12:38] Now, we're going to leave these uh
[12:40] on the counter outside the clerk's
[12:41] office and then we're going to be
[12:42] posting it. I believe there was already
[12:44] a press release. Uh so, everything's
[12:46] going to be going through with the
[12:46] mayor's office and the CRTC going
[12:48] forward just for public.
[12:50] >> All right. Thank you.
[12:55] » Okay. Our first committee is claims.
[12:58] >> So, I'd like to call to order the claims
[13:00] committee. We have two items on the
[13:01] agenda tonight with the inclusion of the
[13:04] new energy letter of intent to negotiate
[13:07] at the mayor's request. It was in uh
[13:10] city development and planning
[13:11] previously. Um and I believe all three
[13:13] of those items need to be discussed in
[13:14] executive session. So I have a motion.
[13:17] I will second. All those in favor I. Um
[13:20] we are now in executive session
[13:22] >> and members of the public will have to
[13:23] leave. We will be going back into public
[13:25] session after this.
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[1:15:59] » Okay. I would like to call to order the
[1:16:02] finance committee and the first item is
[1:16:04] grant award New York State Highway
[1:16:06] safety program
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[1:16:20] » Good evening. Uh I'm not quite chief
[1:16:23] lieutenant Scott. Um so tonight uh here
[1:16:28] to
[1:16:30] uh present that the city of connected
[1:16:32] police department has been awarded
[1:16:33] $45,600
[1:16:35] um in state funding from the governor's
[1:16:38] uh traffic safety committee GTSC.
[1:16:41] They're in partnership with DMV. Uh this
[1:16:43] is for
[1:16:46] um
[1:16:50] I lost my place. Uh the highway safety
[1:16:52] program. basically their uh in some
[1:16:55] substance their initiative and goals to
[1:16:57] reduce the number of crashes uh injuries
[1:17:00] and deaths on New York New York's
[1:17:02] roadways. Um so what this money does
[1:17:05] we've been uh a recipient of this grant
[1:17:09] for multiple years. Uh ultimately in a
[1:17:12] nutshell this is just a supplement to
[1:17:14] our already uh daily traffic enforcement
[1:17:17] efforts. Um, this kind of gives us a
[1:17:20] little bit of flexibility um with some
[1:17:23] directed attention and patrol to certain
[1:17:25] areas if we're getting certain
[1:17:27] complaints in different areas. Uh, it
[1:17:30] allowed us to supplement the efforts of
[1:17:32] the speed limit change when that took
[1:17:34] place. Um, and obviously we'll continue
[1:17:37] to do so. Um there's also money set
[1:17:40] aside for training to attend yearly
[1:17:42] conferences, uh DR training, the drug
[1:17:45] recognition expert, um things of that
[1:17:48] nature. And then it also funds
[1:17:50] specifically
[1:17:51] um there's a breakdown in there for
[1:17:53] certain initiatives that the state holds
[1:17:55] throughout the year like clicking or
[1:17:56] ticket, um you know, distracted driving.
[1:17:59] You've all heard these before. Um so
[1:18:01] during those times, whether they're
[1:18:03] months, weeks, whatever, certain monies
[1:18:05] are allotted specifically just for that.
[1:18:08] It's all in the breakdown under this. Um
[1:18:13] there's an education portion of this. Uh
[1:18:15] during pedestrian safety, um typically
[1:18:18] what we'll do is we'll send out um
[1:18:20] officers
[1:18:22] to just educate people, educate
[1:18:24] pedestrians in some of the high traffic
[1:18:26] pedestrian areas uh with just pamphlets
[1:18:28] like you know notifying them that either
[1:18:31] they were in the wrong or the driver was
[1:18:32] in the wrong. giving them uh proper
[1:18:35] documentation and education on the laws
[1:18:38] um and just sending them on their way
[1:18:40] without any tickets, just more of a
[1:18:43] verbal warning. So, there's pieces in
[1:18:44] place for that.
[1:18:48] » Any questions?
[1:18:51] >> Not a question, but a comment. I mean, I really appreciate that the police
[1:18:54] department has um is getting so many of
[1:18:57] these grants. um in particular, I
[1:18:59] appreciate this one um because it is um
[1:19:01] will add to some of the other traffic
[1:19:03] calming measures that we've been talking
[1:19:06] about and and putting into place. So,
[1:19:08] >> Lieutenant Colin, who's in charge of
[1:19:10] that division? He's uh there's more on
[1:19:12] the docket. Things haven't been decided
[1:19:14] on yet. So,
[1:19:16] >> thank you.
[1:19:17] >> Any other questions come in?
[1:19:19] >> Seeing none, may I have a motion to move
[1:19:21] this item forward?
[1:19:22] >> So, moved.
[1:19:23] >> Second. All in favor? I. Thank you.
[1:19:28] The next item is amended and restated
[1:19:30] bond ordinance for the Washington Avenue
[1:19:32] pump station and the water resource
[1:19:34] recovery facility.
[1:19:44] » Hello, good evening. Um, we are looking
[1:19:47] to amend and restate the Washington pump
[1:19:49] station and the water resource uh
[1:19:51] recovery facility. As you can see in the
[1:19:53] analysis, we're looking to increase that
[1:19:55] by approximately $7.6 million to a
[1:19:59] maximum cost of 29 million
[1:20:01] approximately. Uh we're requesting that
[1:20:03] the U council approve this. Um it was
[1:20:08] originally adopted on July 10th, 2023.
[1:20:10] So we're looking to just continue the
[1:20:12] process. Um if you need further
[1:20:14] information, I I do have Commissioner OB
[1:20:16] with me here to discuss any details with
[1:20:18] you.
[1:20:20] >> Any questions coming? Go ahead, please.
[1:20:23] >> So, um, since we adopted this in 2023
[1:20:26] and I my question essentially is it's
[1:20:29] two years and, um, if you just can
[1:20:31] clarify why we're at this point now and
[1:20:34] where is the, um, the work that's being
[1:20:37] done, where are we with that?
[1:20:39] >> I you sent a couple questions, so I'll
[1:20:40] try and answer them if that's okay.
[1:20:42] >> Oh, sure.
[1:20:43] >> Sure. Does um, what what are the
[1:20:46] projects entail? Okay. Well, there's two
[1:20:48] projects, the Washington Avenue pump
[1:20:49] station and the WRF, which is the
[1:20:51] wastewater treatment plant that pumps.
[1:20:53] Uh, what this is going to do is help
[1:20:56] with the resiliency program and increase
[1:20:57] the redundancy of the city's
[1:20:59] infrastructure to reduce the inflow to
[1:21:01] the treatment plant. And that's going to
[1:21:02] be done by the old Washington Avenue
[1:21:04] pump house, which is the round building
[1:21:06] that sits over by county college.
[1:21:08] >> That has been unfunctioning for years.
[1:21:12] Okay. It will help with the flooding
[1:21:14] issues there. It will reduce the flow
[1:21:16] going to the wastewater treatment plant.
[1:21:18] Um and it'll be part of the climate
[1:21:20] water related adoption um report that
[1:21:23] was done for the city. Now the river
[1:21:25] pumps uh because the the wastewater
[1:21:27] treatment plant now takes more flow in
[1:21:29] to the plant. The river pumps were put
[1:21:32] in in 1972. They were designed to take
[1:21:35] roughly 30 some million gallons out of
[1:21:37] the plant when there's flooding. Well,
[1:21:39] we now receive up to almost 50 million
[1:21:41] gallons. So in the times of flooding
[1:21:44] along the river is high, we force feed
[1:21:45] the river. On normal days, we gravity
[1:21:47] feed the river. Water comes in, gravity
[1:21:49] flows out. But if there's a storm when
[1:21:52] the river comes up, we have to force
[1:21:53] feed the river. So that means we have to
[1:21:55] activate river pumps to come on. So the
[1:21:58] river homes currently that are there are
[1:22:00] inadequate cuz they won't pump the flow
[1:22:01] that's coming into the plant nowadays.
[1:22:03] So they were installed, like I said, it
[1:22:05] was with um money on the Clean Water Act
[1:22:09] in 1972. So they're from 1972. So
[1:22:12] they'll be upgraded to as part of this.
[1:22:15] Um the second project was the rice road
[1:22:19] um treatment plant the water wells and
[1:22:22] that would be phase two and that's the
[1:22:24] next phase of the development of rice
[1:22:26] road is the capital improvement plant
[1:22:27] utilized um and we put three wells in a
[1:22:32] couple years ago. So this project is two
[1:22:34] phases. The wells were put in the well
[1:22:36] houses are being installed now with some
[1:22:38] of the piping. In phase two, the
[1:22:41] $300,000 increase, um, we will apply for
[1:22:45] bond money. It does have to be applied
[1:22:47] for in September this month. So, we do
[1:22:50] have some money out there. We will put
[1:22:51] in on the grant application. We were not
[1:22:53] awarded grant money for that. First
[1:22:55] time, we were awarded over a million
[1:22:57] dollars to put the wells in. We were
[1:22:58] awarded um almost 950,000
[1:23:01] to do the flidation system. So, we did
[1:23:04] have grant money for that. So, we will
[1:23:06] be applying for more grant money to help
[1:23:07] with the $300,000 um difference there.
[1:23:10] As for the Washington Pump Station and
[1:23:13] the Ethone Pump Station, um the increase
[1:23:16] for $7 million is because we've been
[1:23:18] awarded $26 million in grants. So, we
[1:23:22] will maximize the expenditure by
[1:23:24] increasing the bond to to match those.
[1:23:27] Out of that $26 million that we've
[1:23:29] already awarded, we're responsible for
[1:23:32] 25% of the $10 million grant, which is
[1:23:34] 2.5 million, and the closing costs on
[1:23:37] the loan. Um, but that loan because
[1:23:40] we'll be a um a um
[1:23:43] we'll get zero interest on the loan. So,
[1:23:45] that $20ome million, we're only um
[1:23:48] responsible 2.5 million and at 0%.
[1:23:53] >> And that will be part of the Washington
[1:23:55] Avenue.
[1:23:57] and the WRF which is the river homes. So
[1:24:00] we have fully, you know, grant money for
[1:24:02] that up to, like I said, other than 25
[1:24:05] 2.5 million. Um, the projects you would
[1:24:08] ask when they would be starting,
[1:24:11] um,
[1:24:20] [Music]
[1:24:22] He's
[1:24:38] here somewhere. Just
[1:24:44] Washington County Public Station. Um
[1:24:47] that is the design now. It should be bid
[1:24:49] in 26 pending regulatory review and
[1:24:52] approval. I'll have to go through their
[1:24:53] part of it. Work is anticipated to be
[1:24:56] completed by December of 27.
[1:25:04] The rice road project city is presently
[1:25:06] finishing construction on phase one
[1:25:08] improvements to at the water plant and
[1:25:10] the design phase improvements will
[1:25:12] commence in 26. project in the space of
[1:25:14] the bid in early 27 pending regulatory
[1:25:17] review and approval and construction
[1:25:19] should be completed by the end of 27
[1:25:21] early 28.
[1:25:23] That's going to encompass um
[1:25:27] a totally redundant system. We currently
[1:25:30] have I know I went over this when we did
[1:25:32] the bond first time. We currently have
[1:25:34] one main sort of control building. All
[1:25:36] the power comes into one main building
[1:25:38] at the water wells. This will add
[1:25:41] another uh power service coming into the
[1:25:43] water wells. The three new wells out of
[1:25:46] the three new wells, two wells and one
[1:25:48] old good producing well will be tied to
[1:25:50] one complete new system with its own
[1:25:52] power, its own chemical feed system. So
[1:25:55] if something was to happen to the main
[1:25:57] building and we lost power there, the
[1:25:59] city will still be able to provide water
[1:26:01] to the residents um through the
[1:26:03] redundant system. So there'll be a
[1:26:05] separate coronation system, a separate
[1:26:07] redundant power system. So, um, it'll
[1:26:10] provide the resilience and the
[1:26:11] redundancy we need going into the future
[1:26:13] to keep a water supply to the residents
[1:26:15] of the city of Scanity.
[1:26:18] >> Okay.
[1:26:20] >> Are there any questions?
[1:26:22] >> So, number one, I just want to say kind
[1:26:25] of to piggy back off what Miss Patrick
[1:26:27] said, you are constantly coming forth
[1:26:28] with like these grants that are really
[1:26:31] extremely impressive. Um, and and I can
[1:26:34] imagine us being able to do the things
[1:26:36] we do without them. So, that's one of
[1:26:37] the notes. I something that's slightly
[1:26:41] un is related issues. I I would love to
[1:26:44] see I remember uh a conversation talking
[1:26:47] about um helping our residents where
[1:26:51] when their mainline breaks from the city
[1:26:54] and I was wondering if there's as you're
[1:26:56] pursuing any grants is there anything
[1:26:58] that kind of could fall under that?
[1:27:01] Well, we do have on the IUP $22 million
[1:27:05] um and the intended use plan uh for leg
[1:27:08] service line replacements. So, um it's
[1:27:11] on the intended use plan. We'll apply
[1:27:13] for it again. We applied for it last
[1:27:14] time because we do know the federal
[1:27:16] regulations change in 26. We will have
[1:27:20] to have a comprehensive plan of um how
[1:27:22] we go from 26 to 36. and whatever lead
[1:27:26] services have to rep be replaced, we
[1:27:29] have to let them know that if it's a
[1:27:31] thousand and we got 10 years to do it,
[1:27:33] you know, we're going to do, you know,
[1:27:35] 100 a year. Um, we have to report the
[1:27:37] pay. So, we are going to request
[1:27:39] funding. Again, it's all on the funding.
[1:27:42] So, um, and there was a time when I did
[1:27:44] come up with a a program to try and
[1:27:46] offer,
[1:27:50] I'll call it an insurance policy years
[1:27:51] ago, uh, when I first came back as, um,
[1:27:54] director of water and sewer, that the
[1:27:56] residents would pay a fee, audits fee,
[1:28:00] um, for that policy, um, and the city
[1:28:03] would do some of the work to do some of
[1:28:05] the service lines or repairs. Um, but it
[1:28:08] was turned out.
[1:28:11] >> Thank you.
[1:28:14] [Music]
[1:28:18] Oh, it's my
[1:28:23] » gohead, sir. I just got a wing of that
[1:28:25] when you just mentioned that it was
[1:28:26] turned up. It was turned up because we
[1:28:28] were asking it to be a revolving fund.
[1:28:31] So you're asking a taxpayer to pay into
[1:28:33] a fund to repair broken means but at the
[1:28:37] end of the year that money moved into
[1:28:40] the general fund and you have to start
[1:28:41] all over again
[1:28:43] >> and we ask that it be a revolving um the
[1:28:46] funding remains throughout the lifetime.
[1:28:50] >> Mr. Chairman with all due respect I put
[1:28:53] forth the proposals Mr. Leavon outline
[1:28:56] so that we would do the repairs and yes
[1:28:58] it would be treated as a general fund.
[1:29:01] It's solely the discretion of the
[1:29:03] council if you wanted to set it up as a
[1:29:05] revolving fund. So my recommendation was
[1:29:08] to to get in those first years see what
[1:29:10] the actual utilization was there would
[1:29:13] have been a
[1:29:16] I don't know dollar increase in the fee
[1:29:20] but that final decision solely the city
[1:29:22] council in terms of how you account for
[1:29:23] that how you expend the money and how
[1:29:25] you retain the money
[1:29:28] >> I think that was that was the sore point
[1:29:30] at that point in time why didn't win
[1:29:31] because of that not being revolving
[1:29:34] where where it's going to happen Who's
[1:29:37] how do we fund it? I mean, if you if I
[1:29:39] have to bring it back and make it a a
[1:29:41] revolving um fund
[1:29:42] >> be a little more expensive.
[1:29:44] >> No, we can revisit it.
[1:29:46] >> I don't think we we want people to pay
[1:29:49] into something and they're not getting
[1:29:51] the benefit.
[1:29:53] >> And I think that was that was one of the
[1:29:55] reason why it was it wasn't shut down.
[1:29:57] It was it was question was asked.
[1:29:59] >> Well, Mr. Chairman, so my thought was
[1:30:02] because Mr. So far's been uh relatively
[1:30:05] successful securing grant fundings for
[1:30:07] the city. I was thinking that's what my
[1:30:09] question was along those lines. Is there
[1:30:11] something that maybe we could even
[1:30:12] leverage that if there's something
[1:30:15] existing that aligns with that maybe we
[1:30:17] could leverage it bring the cost lower
[1:30:20] even for participants and then and then
[1:30:24] obviously we can you know talk about
[1:30:26] what it looks like revolving or not.
[1:30:28] That's just something that, you know,
[1:30:29] I'd like to see it come back if indeed
[1:30:31] there's something out there.
[1:30:32] >> So, we got $22 million on the intended
[1:30:34] use plan. We have to see how we score
[1:30:36] for that. Again, that's a request. They
[1:30:39] can say you get four. You can say you
[1:30:40] get one. It's not going to help a lot
[1:30:42] because we know there's probably quite a
[1:30:44] few lead services still within the city.
[1:30:46] >> Um, but also if you have this policy,
[1:30:49] it's a fund to draw off of rather than,
[1:30:51] you know, we don't own the services
[1:30:53] currently. They're owned by the
[1:30:55] residents. So the thing is is okay we got to replace
[1:31:00] them but they're not our responsibility
[1:31:02] but the federal government's going to
[1:31:03] say they are our responsibility and if
[1:31:06] we have to do it by 2037 which somebody
[1:31:09] else here but um it's going to have to
[1:31:12] get done and the funds are going to have
[1:31:13] to be found. So I don't know how you
[1:31:15] know I mean I have my ideas but I'll
[1:31:17] keep them for myself right now.
[1:31:20] >> Um how many surveys did we get back in
[1:31:23] the mail? Um we're still doing it. We're
[1:31:25] going to start a round of um we'll call
[1:31:27] boots on the ground because a lot of
[1:31:29] people have not responded. A lot of
[1:31:31] people um they um they they just don't
[1:31:34] want to us in their homes or you know
[1:31:37] when we have to get into the home uh to
[1:31:39] determine what's coming through the
[1:31:40] seller wall, whether it's copper,
[1:31:41] whether it's lead, whether it's
[1:31:42] galvanized. Um so there is a um a group
[1:31:47] that's going to come in put some boots
[1:31:48] on the ground for us. Leave cards. uh
[1:31:52] will accommodate them even if it's and
[1:31:53] we know some people are working u but
[1:31:56] we've had some guys in the water wells
[1:31:57] that have gone out after 5:00 to meet
[1:31:59] with people but it's been very very slow
[1:32:02] um the response just isn't there
[1:32:06] >> thank you Mr. I I think that this would
[1:32:10] be I know I brought this up briefly
[1:32:12] before. I don't know um if anyone acted
[1:32:14] on it, but I think especially right now
[1:32:15] as kids are returning to school, people
[1:32:18] are coming in, parents are filling out a
[1:32:19] lot of paperwork, so they we have a
[1:32:21] little bit of a, you know, a very uh
[1:32:26] audience that's paying a lot of
[1:32:27] attention to what these communications
[1:32:29] are not are like. So, I think that that
[1:32:31] would be a really good opportunity for
[1:32:32] the city to kind of work with the school
[1:32:34] district to say, "Hey, this is the
[1:32:35] information that we're trying to get.
[1:32:37] Could you put this in your, you know,
[1:32:40] registration packets, uh, your back to
[1:32:42] school type of thing?" I think that if
[1:32:43] we did it, attached it to that probably
[1:32:45] have the greatest success rate.
[1:32:47] >> Probably possibly do some flyers to
[1:32:49] students to bring home. I mean, just to,
[1:32:52] you know, get the attention and again
[1:32:55] scheduling an appointment. Um, you know,
[1:32:57] and I know a lot of people work, but
[1:32:59] we're willing to do it, you know, in the early evening hours when we do
[1:33:03] get home, you know, and we do send two
[1:33:05] people um to a property.
[1:33:10] » Any other go?
[1:33:11] >> Yeah. So, you said you have you're
[1:33:12] hiring a firm or you have a firm to the
[1:33:14] boot.
[1:33:14] >> There is a firm. Yes.
[1:33:16] >> So, that we've already hired.
[1:33:18] >> Yes. It's a minority firm local here in
[1:33:20] Connecticut um that is willing to um put
[1:33:22] some individuals out to work with us.
[1:33:24] Yes. And that's been going through Alpha
[1:33:26] Harbor Associates and interviewed them
[1:33:28] and we did meet with them um in room 9.
[1:33:31] So, okay.
[1:33:32] >> Um, and you said the 22 million
[1:33:34] requests. Could you just
[1:33:36] >> 26 million?
[1:33:37] >> 26.
[1:33:38] >> Yes. There
[1:33:39] >> four million. Go ahead.
[1:33:40] >> There's different grants. There is the u
[1:33:42] the the bill money, the WEIA money. Um,
[1:33:46] there's different funding um areas that
[1:33:48] we got the money. So, out of the $26
[1:33:50] million um you know, and you know, the
[1:33:53] loan, we had to increase the bond so
[1:33:56] that we maximize the loan in a sense.
[1:33:59] Um, so all the loan will be dedicated to
[1:34:03] the project.
[1:34:04] >> Okay.
[1:34:04] >> So we could, you know, we couldn't have
[1:34:08] the the project being less than the
[1:34:10] loan. So we're going to, you know, so
[1:34:12] that's where it is. And like I said, the
[1:34:14] last $10 million, the one final grant is
[1:34:16] for $10 million and that is the 25%
[1:34:19] match. So we'll be responsible for 2.5
[1:34:21] million, but uh we'll get a 0% interest
[1:34:25] because we qualify for hardship loan. So
[1:34:28] it'll be payback is 0%.
[1:34:31] >> Thank you.
[1:34:32] >> Are there any other question on item
[1:34:34] number two?
[1:34:37] >> Seeing none, we have a motion to move
[1:34:38] forward. Item number two.
[1:34:42] >> So moved.
[1:34:42] >> Second. All in favor?
[1:34:44] >> I
[1:34:46] next item is amended and restated.
[1:34:51] First supplemental bond ordinance for
[1:34:52] Rice River Road.
[1:34:55] I think I believe commissioner fond
[1:34:57] every ready to tackle this issue.
[1:35:00] So we talked about them together.
[1:35:02] >> Yeah.
[1:35:03] >> Are there any question regarding this?
[1:35:05] >> Seeing none may have a motion to move
[1:35:07] forward.
[1:35:07] >> So move second.
[1:35:08] >> All in favor?
[1:35:09] >> I thank you. Um
[1:35:12] >> thanks for coming.
[1:35:14] >> Mr. Chairman, I just want to bring to
[1:35:16] the council's attention the bond
[1:35:17] ordinances both for items two and three
[1:35:20] were previously prepared by bound bond
[1:35:22] council for next week's uh meeting and I
[1:35:26] think you got that a couple weeks ago
[1:35:28] just for the record. Thank you.
[1:35:31] >> The next item is the 2026 budget calling
[1:35:34] for public hearing. Mr.
[1:35:37] >> Can you believe it's that time of the
[1:35:39] year again? Um, we're looking to uh do a
[1:35:42] public hearing October 14, 2025 for the
[1:35:45] 2026 uh budget.
[1:35:50] >> This is straightforward.
[1:35:52] Are there any question? Seeing no, may I
[1:35:54] have a motion to call for public hearing
[1:35:55] October 146
[1:35:58] budget?
[1:35:58] >> So moved.
[1:35:59] >> Second.
[1:35:59] >> All in favor? I
[1:36:02] >> may I have a motion to adjourn?
[1:36:04] >> Can I ask a question?
[1:36:06] >> Go ahead, please.
[1:36:09] This is um actually kind of it's about
[1:36:11] finances. So um
[1:36:16] I I this is kind of I just saw this
[1:36:19] recently and it has to do with how we're
[1:36:21] collecting um a certain amount of money
[1:36:23] and how I want to know how that figured
[1:36:25] into our budget where it showed on the
[1:36:26] line. But the um stickers that we're
[1:36:28] selling for trash. Yes.
[1:36:31] um the the infant leads I came to get to
[1:36:36] some to hand out to people because they
[1:36:37] weren't doing it properly and on the
[1:36:39] bottom it says that you can only pay for
[1:36:41] those in cash. So I wasn't really clear
[1:36:44] on why that is.
[1:36:46] >> Not 100% sure on that. Um I talked to
[1:36:49] receipts
[1:36:51] on um wasn't aware of that. Um, I wasn't
[1:36:55] until the other day when I was trying to
[1:36:57] give it to someone and they were like,
[1:36:58] "Well, you know, I want would prefer to
[1:37:00] pay it by credit card and do all that,
[1:37:01] but it clearly says you can only buy it
[1:37:03] with cash." So, and then and I didn't
[1:37:06] know how that showed up in the budget.
[1:37:09] >> There's a budget. There's a line item in
[1:37:10] the budget um for that specifically. I
[1:37:15] sent that to you.
[1:37:17] >> So, there's a line item for the
[1:37:18] stickers.
[1:37:20] >> Both items
[1:37:22] for the bold items.
[1:37:23] >> Yes. Okay. All right.
[1:37:26] So, who should I ask about or or will
[1:37:28] you ask about the cash?
[1:37:30] >> Well, I could ask ours department issue.
[1:37:34] >> All right. If you would let us know.
[1:37:36] >> Thank you. Thank you, Mr. Chairman.
[1:37:39] >> Motion to adjourn finance.
[1:37:41] >> So move.
[1:37:41] >> Second.
[1:37:43] >> All in favor?
[1:37:45] >> I.
[1:37:45] >> Thank you.
[1:37:46] >> Good time.
[1:37:48] >> Like to call to order government
[1:37:50] operations. We have one item on the
[1:37:51] agenda that is announcing the court
[1:37:53] order council.
[1:37:55] >> Thank you. Uh so I'm very excited to be
[1:37:57] before you all at this juncture. Um I'd
[1:37:59] like to say definitely had it uh
[1:38:03] growth uh for me specifically with uh
[1:38:06] respect to identifying select group of
[1:38:09] individuals to take on a task that's
[1:38:11] never been like identified before and
[1:38:12] just grow together. Uh so I'm pleased to
[1:38:15] announce that uh I received uh five
[1:38:18] votes um from the committee who is
[1:38:21] looking to select Adonis Richards as
[1:38:24] this connect's inaugural pro laureate.
[1:38:26] Um before I get into the background of
[1:38:28] how they arrive at that juncture, I
[1:38:30] would say at this point what I'm asking
[1:38:32] of the council is to support that
[1:38:34] nomination and then it would continue
[1:38:36] along to our council meeting for a full
[1:38:39] vote next week. Um, sincerely, I am not
[1:38:42] one that says that they know everything.
[1:38:44] Um, I think it started with an idea of
[1:38:46] how do we capture another voice for our
[1:38:48] community. Um, I think in identifying in
[1:38:51] all of our roles, how do we get into
[1:38:53] that uh absent any bias I think from all
[1:38:56] of our seats and positions and that was
[1:38:58] creating a space with community
[1:38:59] representation from our local academic
[1:39:01] institutions and then some community
[1:39:03] members. Um, one of the takeaways that I
[1:39:06] noticed was doing that with our academic
[1:39:09] institutions during the summer where
[1:39:10] they have time off and then as they get
[1:39:12] back to school made the timeline uh a
[1:39:14] little more challenging. Um, but I would
[1:39:16] say is throughout the discussions it has
[1:39:18] been nothing short of just very
[1:39:20] authentic collaboration. Um, and all the
[1:39:23] members were understanding that this is
[1:39:25] a process that is meant to grow and
[1:39:26] develop over time. Um
[1:39:30] I would say uh the intent never was to
[1:39:33] start with a perfect process but was one
[1:39:35] of how do we just continue to move and
[1:39:38] position the efforts forward. Um so one
[1:39:42] of the key takeaways was communication
[1:39:44] and I think naturally that is an area of
[1:39:46] concern we've always identified um with
[1:39:48] any of our efforts just how do we
[1:39:49] properly inform the community and the
[1:39:51] hope is with this position uh they would
[1:39:53] serve as an additional just century with
[1:39:56] just communicating things um providing a
[1:39:58] different perspective um but also one of
[1:40:01] the takeaways was expectation and I
[1:40:03] think that is something that doesn't
[1:40:05] fall short of anyone um it's going to be
[1:40:08] essential that this individual although
[1:40:09] it is currently unpaid um understands
[1:40:12] that this is a multi-directional
[1:40:14] opportunity, one that allows them to
[1:40:16] leverage the title of Pope Lori um but
[1:40:19] also one that comes with a series of
[1:40:21] expectations because you'd be taking on
[1:40:22] a role that allows you to speak to a
[1:40:24] lesser degree for this city of Skenctity
[1:40:27] in certain efforts. Um so I'm happy to
[1:40:30] answer any questions or concerns. Um but
[1:40:32] sincerely I think uh from where this
[1:40:36] started to where we arrived uh I can
[1:40:38] confidently sit here before you all and
[1:40:40] say that this is uh I think the best
[1:40:43] candidate out of who applied and I would
[1:40:45] like to say out of the individuals who
[1:40:47] were presented with the opportunity. I
[1:40:48] think it was nothing um was recognized
[1:40:52] of a missed opportunity. It was more or
[1:40:53] less of how do I stay engaged throughout
[1:40:55] this process? how do I contribute in
[1:40:57] different facets to ensure that they are
[1:40:59] supporting whoever uh the council elects
[1:41:02] to further support moving forward. Um
[1:41:05] that was one thing that I noticed uh was
[1:41:08] very ethic that everyone had the best
[1:41:11] intent for the city at their hearts. So
[1:41:14] I just want to say congratulations
[1:41:17] >> Mr. Williams. I think that this and I
[1:41:19] initially I um wasn't necessarily a
[1:41:22] naysayer but I didn't really appreciate
[1:41:24] I understand the gravity of this which
[1:41:26] is saying a lot you know as you know I
[1:41:28] do my one of the largest poetry shows in
[1:41:30] the state here right here in Skenctity
[1:41:32] but I couldn't understand um how it
[1:41:36] would really um what it would look like
[1:41:38] in this capacity but going through this
[1:41:41] process and and and and learning more
[1:41:43] about it this is this isn't just
[1:41:45] something that is really for um you
[1:41:48] know, you know, expression, but it's
[1:41:51] also this is like a a a way that you
[1:41:54] what they call keepers of culture in the
[1:41:57] city. And I think that that is a is
[1:41:59] something that is extremely valuable.
[1:42:01] So, I really appreciate that this is um
[1:42:04] something that's happening and I'm proud
[1:42:06] of the entire council and and and
[1:42:08] supporting this. Patrick,
[1:42:12] >> congratulations on coming to a decision.
[1:42:14] I was just wondering how many people did
[1:42:16] apply um for the position.
[1:42:19] >> So, I'd say four. Um and I think that is
[1:42:22] a number that's not missed on um I think
[1:42:25] the
[1:42:27] that is very very new. Um what I would
[1:42:29] say is it was not surprising but
[1:42:32] definitely a point of consideration for
[1:42:35] two individuals who stayed tuned in
[1:42:37] throughout the duration of all these
[1:42:38] discussions. I thought that that
[1:42:40] identified that there are people that
[1:42:42] continuously watch our council meetings
[1:42:43] which I thought was a very important
[1:42:46] fact to underline but one that showed
[1:42:48] their deep rooted just interest in
[1:42:50] seeing this forward. Um I was very
[1:42:52] intentional at keeping um boundaries
[1:42:55] between um interested parties and
[1:42:57] ensuring that my only comments to them
[1:43:00] was uh keeping them breast of moving. Um
[1:43:03] but even myself I have not looking
[1:43:05] looked at the packets. I think truly
[1:43:07] wanting to trust the process and trust
[1:43:09] that the committee members made these
[1:43:11] decisions based on uh the materials that
[1:43:13] put before them and also the criteria
[1:43:15] that they were looking to grade these
[1:43:16] individuals on. Um what I've seen in
[1:43:18] other municipalities is there's been a
[1:43:21] very key uh structure and I think that
[1:43:24] is one that we can build here should
[1:43:26] this position be as viable as I know it
[1:43:28] can be but one that the community is
[1:43:29] going to receive also. So I think with
[1:43:31] some renditions in mind I think we can
[1:43:34] get to the level that uh St. Louis was a municipality looked at a lot. We had a
[1:43:38] very well structured polaroid program. I
[1:43:41] think Saratoga is there as well. So I
[1:43:43] think we can get there.
[1:43:46] >> A couple more comments. Um I do think um
[1:43:49] obviously we have to see how successful
[1:43:51] this is. Um, but I we had talked about
[1:43:54] this earlier, but I think if we want to
[1:43:57] move forward with this in future future
[1:43:59] years, and that was my other question is
[1:44:01] when when will we officially like start
[1:44:03] doing some work and really be in the
[1:44:05] schools and and that kind of thing, but
[1:44:07] I think in the future again I think a
[1:44:09] small stipend um almost like an
[1:44:13] honorarium. I know the budget's really
[1:44:15] uh bad, so we're not talking about a lot
[1:44:17] of money. And again, it's something
[1:44:18] where you might be able to get we might
[1:44:19] be able to get grant funding for
[1:44:21] something like this. Um, so I just want
[1:44:24] to be on the record saying that as we
[1:44:26] move forward and then um, also I hope
[1:44:29] that in the f I mean I think it's really
[1:44:31] important we should reach out to the New
[1:44:32] York State Writers Institute who handles
[1:44:35] our state poet laurate and our state uh,
[1:44:39] author and at least you know say hey
[1:44:41] we're on record we've got this uh, young
[1:44:44] person that's going to be our poet
[1:44:46] laurate and you know who knows they may
[1:44:48] want to have um, Adonis come and you
[1:44:52] know be part of their schedule at some
[1:44:54] point as well.
[1:44:57] » I I I would add that I think that what
[1:45:00] was really helpful what I saw as far as
[1:45:02] how the council operated this process
[1:45:04] was that there were um questions and
[1:45:08] rooted in genuine interest in ensuring
[1:45:10] that this was something that is really
[1:45:13] uh
[1:45:14] valuable for the city. And I think that,
[1:45:17] you know, when Miss Patrick brought up a
[1:45:20] question before around like being like
[1:45:22] published author and that, you know,
[1:45:24] initially that was like I think that
[1:45:26] that's something cuz I wanted to make it
[1:45:28] inclusive and then it it it developed
[1:45:30] into the dialogue of like well what does
[1:45:32] publish mean and really added depth and
[1:45:34] value to the conversation. So again, I'm
[1:45:36] really happy the way that that happened.
[1:45:37] Um, I think that this is something that
[1:45:39] we could grow and and and to grow and
[1:45:42] adapt and I think that there is some
[1:45:44] unforeseen pro value as once this once
[1:45:46] it went gets wrong and I think that
[1:45:48] we'll see. So I just want to add that
[1:45:50] and we'll close up. So uh so I do want
[1:45:52] to go on record saying I was not opposed
[1:45:54] to having an honorarium. I think having
[1:45:56] that expectation be in addition to the
[1:45:58] magnitude of this I think that would
[1:46:01] >> unfortunately I think it would be a very
[1:46:03] big expectations going into this. I
[1:46:05] think for me personally and my
[1:46:07] perspective wasn't included. This was
[1:46:09] truly the the committees wanted to have
[1:46:11] someone that was authentically uh in
[1:46:13] this this mode of communication and it
[1:46:15] was one that the two applicants that it technically boiled down to that
[1:46:20] they both possessed. Um, but I also
[1:46:23] wanted to add in what I thought was very
[1:46:25] organic was uh the desire to after this
[1:46:29] selection was publicized or or made
[1:46:31] public that the committee would invite
[1:46:34] to hear from the selected polar in a
[1:46:38] social gathering
[1:46:40] >> just to have that um um I think natural
[1:46:44] development of communication under
[1:46:47] underway. uh in our legislation
[1:46:49] identified like uh touch points of 6
[1:46:52] months
[1:46:53] >> looking for an assessment back and they
[1:46:54] were like we can't be effective if we
[1:46:56] wait 6 months like we would like to do
[1:46:57] much. So it was it was beautiful to see
[1:46:59] them understanding the expectations and
[1:47:01] then developing these along the way and
[1:47:04] I'm happy to let them kind of take this
[1:47:05] and run with it and I look forward to
[1:47:07] what they're going to report back in 6
[1:47:09] months.
[1:47:11] Um my question is so will we get like
[1:47:14] some timeline or expectation or how this
[1:47:17] is going to move forward where this
[1:47:18] person will present you know those kind
[1:47:21] of things is that that kind of timeline
[1:47:23] been u worked out or will it be worked
[1:47:26] out so we have a way to like put it out
[1:47:28] there for people to let them know it's
[1:47:30] connecting out poet Lauren who will be
[1:47:32] performing here or doing or what's where
[1:47:34] do they do their interural thing and if
[1:47:36] you don't have those answers that's fine
[1:47:37] but I just want to know if that kind of
[1:47:39] thing is going to be mapped out uh as as
[1:47:41] we move forward.
[1:47:42] >> I can take that note. What I've
[1:47:44] identified in other municipalities is
[1:47:46] there's like a formal ask for them to
[1:47:48] create uh a body of work to speak at
[1:47:51] certain engagements. Um but I think
[1:47:53] there was also an intentionality to uh
[1:47:55] having um partnerships with the school
[1:47:58] districts um and our academic
[1:48:00] institutions naturally. Um but to answer
[1:48:02] your point, I think we can develop a
[1:48:04] calendar or I'll present that to the
[1:48:05] committee and they can have discussions
[1:48:08] with the lawyer and then report back to
[1:48:09] us.
[1:48:10] >> Thank you.
[1:48:10] >> Uh so we think that we have to think
[1:48:13] about what as we our expectation should
[1:48:17] at least be close relative to our
[1:48:20] investment, right? So if we're having
[1:48:22] this person and having an expectation
[1:48:23] for them to
[1:48:25] have this level of commitment, then we
[1:48:27] have to really start asking ourselves
[1:48:28] like what are you know how are we going
[1:48:30] to be able to come up with you know some
[1:48:32] level even if it's not maybe like even
[1:48:34] grants like you were saying like
[1:48:35] something to at least be active to make
[1:48:36] sure that there's some level of
[1:48:37] compensation. I know we're not there
[1:48:39] yet. I'm just saying something to keep
[1:48:40] in mind while we start to have
[1:48:42] expectations for people. You know that's
[1:48:45] a lot of time and preparation to do it.
[1:48:48] Any of Mr. Sir,
[1:48:50] >> thank you. So I guess my how many I
[1:48:53] forget how many individuals were on the
[1:48:55] board to select that. You had five votes
[1:48:57] for Adonis. How many?
[1:49:00] >> So I'd say there were originally six.
[1:49:01] One of the areas of concern or one of
[1:49:04] the areas that we noted was trying to
[1:49:06] look at it from a unique lens from the
[1:49:07] perspective of union. Uh so they
[1:49:09] identified a student that was in the
[1:49:11] loyal uh program. It's very very
[1:49:13] prominent. Um, I think the nature of the
[1:49:17] bases, they were a student that did not
[1:49:18] live in the area and they went through
[1:49:21] some tough circumstances. So, it made
[1:49:23] their ability to weigh in on these
[1:49:25] discussions very difficult. And what I
[1:49:27] didn't want to do was to replace someone
[1:49:29] mid discussions. Um, especially without
[1:49:31] having that discussion with the council
[1:49:33] because we are we were already in a
[1:49:35] tight deadline. Um, I think with
[1:49:37] consideration to the process, I think
[1:49:39] having an odd number was uh valuable.
[1:49:42] Um, but I would like to have discussions
[1:49:44] again with Union to see if that is
[1:49:46] something that we can replace, which I'm
[1:49:47] confident we are. I just wanted to be
[1:49:49] respectful of the natural or the organic
[1:49:52] chemistry that already happened absent
[1:49:54] their uh feedback and then not just want
[1:49:56] to throw them into the process last
[1:49:58] minute just to fill a seat.
[1:50:01] >> Thank you. So, I guess my other question
[1:50:03] was I had put forward about copyright uh
[1:50:05] Adonis comes up with this big uh has
[1:50:08] that been addressed was
[1:50:10] >> uh copyright. So with that put comes up
[1:50:13] well he's the poet laurate for the city
[1:50:15] of Skenkity um and he writes a poem
[1:50:18] that's or you know puts a poem out there
[1:50:21] that goes
[1:50:23] big time he gets accreditation for it um
[1:50:26] a lot of royalties
[1:50:28] who's deserving of those royalties in
[1:50:31] addition to himself because he wrote it
[1:50:33] for the city
[1:50:34] >> um question I had put that forward prior
[1:50:37] I I I don't know I'm just saying
[1:50:40] >> I would say it wasn't presented to
[1:50:41] formally. I think it was just a matter
[1:50:42] of discussion at and then I we laid in
[1:50:44] on it. Uh
[1:50:46] >> uh in all of my review I've never seen
[1:50:49] it as a point of concern. Uh so I
[1:50:52] naturally haven't recognized an instance
[1:50:54] in which that would be a matter of
[1:50:55] issue. Um to me personally it would be
[1:50:58] the body of work of the the author. But
[1:51:00] I think if something rose to that level
[1:51:02] where we were requesting to be a
[1:51:05] recipient of truly something that was
[1:51:08] their work, I think that that could be a
[1:51:10] disc or I would imagine that'd be a
[1:51:12] discussion with the committee to to
[1:51:13] discuss internally and then we would
[1:51:15] kind of hear back from them. I I would
[1:51:18] think that
[1:51:22] when you if the city we had requests for
[1:51:27] um an artist to I I guess in our world
[1:51:29] sometimes you can hire artists to
[1:51:31] commission some work like we can say or
[1:51:33] we can request that you know there's a
[1:51:35] piece of work that's done that is um
[1:51:40] done for a specific reason for something
[1:51:43] that's for the city and I think that might sometimes land outside the
[1:51:47] scope of what we're talking about here.
[1:51:49] A poet um often times isn't necessarily
[1:51:53] always reciting their own original work.
[1:51:55] Depending on what the circumstance is, a
[1:51:57] poet could you know recite another piece
[1:52:00] that is relevant to whatever uh event or
[1:52:04] with whatever happens is going on. Um,
[1:52:07] so I think that to I would say
[1:52:10] I would give a a high level of caution
[1:52:13] have to consider like ourselves as a
[1:52:14] city as someone who can take ownership
[1:52:17] of any level and anyone's like art or
[1:52:19] intellectual property for that matter. I
[1:52:21] have this Patrick and I right.
[1:52:24] >> Yeah, I guess that's something that I
[1:52:26] guess could involve, but I'd want to
[1:52:28] hear from councel and I mean will we be
[1:52:30] having a letter of commitment to Mr.
[1:52:32] Richards?
[1:52:33] >> Um,
[1:52:35] you know what I'm saying? like I mean he
[1:52:37] obviously would have to be told that
[1:52:39] he's going to become the poet laurate he
[1:52:42] was accepted he was selected um so that
[1:52:44] would probably be something in writing
[1:52:46] but I don't know and I guess also what do other municipalities you know
[1:52:50] since we do have other models out there
[1:52:53] um
[1:52:54] but I think that's a good point about
[1:52:56] they could be reading somebody else's
[1:52:57] poem depending on the ceremony that we
[1:53:00] invite them to read at
[1:53:03] >> um Mr. Chairman, I mean this was, you
[1:53:05] know, looking at your legislation, this
[1:53:07] is an or honorary designation, neither
[1:53:09] an employee nor
[1:53:12] an officer of the city of Skenctity. And the legislation doesn't say that
[1:53:17] there was any commission works.
[1:53:19] >> Correct.
[1:53:20] [Music]
[1:53:22] >> If this was a comm if if if you
[1:53:24] commission then that would be, you know,
[1:53:26] then the ownership would be from the
[1:53:28] person who's commissioning the work.
[1:53:30] >> Absolutely. Mhm. Yep.
[1:53:33] >> Um the only thing the thing that I can
[1:53:35] um compare this to is like several years
[1:53:38] ago there was someone who wrote a new
[1:53:40] song, the city song.
[1:53:42] >> Um so the question what else can I call
[1:53:44] it? So who owns that work? I guess
[1:53:48] becomes my question and my understanding
[1:53:50] is the person that wrote the song. They
[1:53:51] were just writing it about city. So I
[1:53:53] think this is a similar circumstance but
[1:53:55] we certainly can take a look at who owns
[1:53:57] that particular song. And when you come
[1:54:00] back and tell us, could you please sing
[1:54:01] it as well?
[1:54:02] >> That wasn't a song. I wasn't here song.
[1:54:04] I think that song was commissioned by
[1:54:06] the city and the official song has been
[1:54:08] adopted through the city code.
[1:54:10] >> So that was a city song. Okay.
[1:54:12] >> Wasn't commissioned, but it was written
[1:54:14] by there was some formal adoption.
[1:54:19] So,
[1:54:19] >> so the city owns
[1:54:20] >> we should be singing that every
[1:54:22] >> Yes, we should.
[1:54:28] » So there's I think that's then it shows
[1:54:30] the difference between what's been
[1:54:32] discussed here and what happened with
[1:54:33] the song.
[1:54:35] >> Okay. Any further questions, comments on
[1:54:39] that? We don't need to take a number of
[1:54:42] them.
[1:54:43] >> I'm sorry. I just want to point CL.
[1:54:45] >> Yes, if I can just follow. Do you have a
[1:54:47] name? The resolution calls for at your
[1:54:50] first council meeting, the council
[1:54:51] designates the person. So, a brief
[1:54:54] resolution. I can do a brief resolution
[1:54:58] formally doing that.
[1:55:00] >> Okay. I entertain the motion. Oh, did
[1:55:02] you have questions?
[1:55:03] >> No. I entertain a motion to
[1:55:07] >> I will um
[1:55:08] >> second
[1:55:10] >> I'll make the motion that we uh accept
[1:55:12] the committee's recommendation of Adonis
[1:55:15] Richards as the uh inaugural poet
[1:55:18] laurate for the city of Sket.
[1:55:21] >> All those in favor
[1:55:22] >> I
[1:55:26] nothing else to come before government
[1:55:27] operations
[1:55:29] motion to close.
[1:55:30] >> So move second. Those in favor, you're
[1:55:33] return.
[1:55:34] >> Thank you. I'd like to call to order
[1:55:37] city development and planning. We have
[1:55:39] 11 items on the agenda now. And the
[1:55:42] first one is review proposed 202526 HUD
[1:55:45] annual action plan. The public hearing
[1:55:47] was uh held on August 25th. We did have
[1:55:51] one speaker.
[1:55:54] Good evening, city council mayor. I'm
[1:55:56] here before you asking for you to accept
[1:55:59] the proposed final um the proposed
[1:56:01] annual action plan allocations as our
[1:56:04] final
[1:56:06] >> allocations.
[1:56:08] Are there any questions? Yes, M.
[1:56:11] >> I I have several. I'm sorry I wasn't
[1:56:12] here last week, although I did watch it,
[1:56:14] so I did see the person that that spoke.
[1:56:17] Um so I have a couple of general
[1:56:19] questions and I have some specific
[1:56:21] questions about the source the uh
[1:56:23] funding allocations.
[1:56:24] >> Sure. Um so the first is um when we talk
[1:56:28] about Habitat for Humanity which is on
[1:56:30] um well page 15 of our packet I guess
[1:56:34] was the second page of the the grid. Um
[1:56:38] I was just wondering it says funds will
[1:56:40] be used to construct one twostory house
[1:56:43] but then later it says both houses will
[1:56:46] meet Energy Star standards. So I just
[1:56:48] wasn't sure if it was one house or two.
[1:56:50] >> It's a typo. originally was two, but
[1:56:53] they got funded for one because they
[1:56:56] went into a contract for one of the
[1:56:58] units which is which is a choice
[1:57:00] limiting action and not allowed for the
[1:57:02] funding source being used.
[1:57:04] >> Okay. So the $239,232
[1:57:09] is for one.
[1:57:10] >> No, it was cut in half, right?
[1:57:12] >> No, the Let me get to the page. My
[1:57:15] apologies.
[1:57:16] >> That's okay. The I can tell you that the
[1:57:17] requested funding was 47.
[1:57:19] >> Yes. So that is half of Yes. So that is
[1:57:21] correct. That is for one. Okay. Do we
[1:57:24] need to um
[1:57:26] Oh, I guess we need to change the
[1:57:28] description or are we okay?
[1:57:30] >> I can I can change I can change that
[1:57:32] directly.
[1:57:33] >> And then um under city property rehab
[1:57:36] and ownership program. Um well no now
[1:57:40] that question I don't need to ask
[1:57:42] because so that money is okay for one
[1:57:44] house $200,000.
[1:57:46] >> That's correct. have as a party it's
[1:57:49] earmarked for one particular project.
[1:57:51] >> Okay. And then um under on page the next page um
[1:57:59] so the Hamilton Hill Arts Center went from
[1:58:05] last year 40,000 to 150,000. Um is so is
[1:58:10] it because of the number of children or
[1:58:12] um
[1:58:13] >> the number of children their record with
[1:58:15] they have they had a one of the top
[1:58:17] applications okay submitted.
[1:58:20] >> Okay very thorough they've shown
[1:58:22] significant um improvement in reporting
[1:58:25] and spending now.
[1:58:27] >> Excellent. Excellent. And then uh the
[1:58:29] next one
[1:58:31] same thing. It was a a very large um
[1:58:34] increase for the um Skencti Youth
[1:58:36] Coalition and I just was wondering if we
[1:58:39] had a sense of again is it because
[1:58:42] numbers served or what the
[1:58:44] >> So with the youth coalition which serves
[1:58:46] 12 organizations they had organizations
[1:58:49] apply outside of the youth organization.
[1:58:51] So what we did was we didn't separate
[1:58:53] them from the youth organization. We
[1:58:55] just increase the youth coalition amount
[1:58:59] to fund.
[1:59:00] >> Okay. Great. So they had about four
[1:59:03] organizations that are part of youth
[1:59:06] coalition that applied separately.
[1:59:08] >> Excellent. Okay. Um sorry, I just wanted
[1:59:11] to get this
[1:59:12] >> absolutely the number. So the next page
[1:59:14] on the mom starts here program. I
[1:59:18] actually just hadn't heard of that um
[1:59:20] program yet. And um
[1:59:23] is it out of the hospital? Is it is it
[1:59:26] with another healthcare organization?
[1:59:28] And is it a 501c3 or
[1:59:30] >> It is a 501c3 and is in the city's
[1:59:33] connected me. They do partner with the
[1:59:34] hospital but it is not part of the
[1:59:36] hospital.
[1:59:37] >> Thank you. Um
[1:59:38] >> and that is a new that is a new fund a
[1:59:40] new
[1:59:41] >> Yes. I I I and the same with the next
[1:59:43] one, Strong Owls. That's a new
[1:59:45] organization also, right?
[1:59:46] >> Yes, it is.
[1:59:47] >> Okay. I look forward to hearing more
[1:59:49] about about these
[1:59:50] >> new
[1:59:53] >> Oh. Oh, not a new organization
[1:59:56] just
[1:59:57] >> meaning like newly established but a new
[1:59:59] organization for the city supporting the
[2:00:02] funds.
[2:00:02] >> Okay. And then um
[2:00:06] this is a minor point but for the boys
[2:00:08] and girls club you know I was just
[2:00:11] wishing that we could have found the
[2:00:13] other 3,860.
[2:00:15] It's such a small amount of money that I
[2:00:16] was kind of hoping we
[2:00:17] >> you know what it is a small amount of
[2:00:19] money but we have cats. They're public
[2:00:21] service caps. So, we have to once we
[2:00:23] find the amount we take from where to
[2:00:26] kind of make to make it work.
[2:00:27] >> Okay, that was good for me to know. Um,
[2:00:30] and that is all of my specific
[2:00:34] questions. Um, my other questions just
[2:00:37] um are more general around um do we help
[2:00:40] the organizations that we didn't fully
[2:00:43] fund? Do we try to give them any
[2:00:45] technical assistance in terms of grant,
[2:00:47] you know, trying to look for other
[2:00:48] grants? Um, I was kind of thinking does
[2:00:52] do you think that your office might
[2:00:53] sometimes do like a grants development
[2:00:55] workshop and invite the invite
[2:00:57] nonprofits to come and and maybe
[2:01:00] >> we we currently do not do that. I would
[2:01:03] say that would be something our
[2:01:04] affirmative action officer could
[2:01:06] possibly do as far as development, but
[2:01:10] we currently don't do that. And most of
[2:01:12] the organizations that didn't get
[2:01:14] funded, the amount that were asked are
[2:01:17] they have multiple funding sources. That
[2:01:19] was actually one of my other um
[2:01:21] questions was whether there was some
[2:01:23] divers, you know, if they were
[2:01:24] diversifying their funding. So great.
[2:01:26] Thank you. I Good work and I appreciate
[2:01:29] all the work that goes into this. So uh
[2:01:31] thank you very much. you knew about
[2:01:36] the other side of it.
[2:01:36] >> So, I want to just say and I hope I
[2:01:37] don't steal any thunder from anyone else
[2:01:39] aside from them being a really nice polo
[2:01:41] and city council
[2:01:44] as well. That's my plug. Um I I know we
[2:01:48] heard from BC and I at our last council
[2:01:50] meeting and I know that they do good
[2:01:51] work within the city. Um but I think
[2:01:53] it's important to make a clarification
[2:01:54] and then also just a statement. I think
[2:01:56] the one it's um no is not a no. It's
[2:02:00] making room for others. And I think you
[2:02:02] did a really good job at snapshotting
[2:02:04] one new program or organization that was
[2:02:07] funded. Uh what I've come to appreciate
[2:02:09] about our city is that it's about
[2:02:11] opportunities. So sincerely, I
[2:02:13] appreciate the work that you and your
[2:02:15] leadership um with your your team has
[2:02:19] identified um creative approaches to
[2:02:21] offer people those opportunities. I know
[2:02:23] you spoke sincerely about uh the YW.CA
[2:02:26] CA during our ARPA application
[2:02:28] discussions and how do we empower other
[2:02:32] lesser known organizations to get to
[2:02:34] that level. Um uh and I think it starts
[2:02:38] by just gradually. Um so I know some
[2:02:41] targets were short of what they were
[2:02:43] asking. Uh but I think it presents the
[2:02:45] question to them of
[2:02:47] >> who else or what other steps can you
[2:02:49] take because the expectation cannot
[2:02:50] continuously fall on the city.
[2:02:53] it will short change some other
[2:02:55] organizations. Not to discredit the work
[2:02:56] that those that have been doing it for a
[2:02:58] long period of time. I think part of it
[2:03:00] is just how do we provide some
[2:03:02] additional opportunities to some new
[2:03:03] people. Um and I think you did well with
[2:03:05] that. So sincerely I think this was the
[2:03:06] first year that I've recognized those
[2:03:09] efforts coming to fruition. So thank you
[2:03:11] and I look forward to what this means
[2:03:12] for the city moving forward.
[2:03:15] >> Um so yeah and I want to um you know
[2:03:17] we've had these discussions before in
[2:03:19] terms of CDBG and I do remember once Mr.
[2:03:21] Rudon was saying that we should be
[2:03:23] looking at different organizations doing
[2:03:25] similar things and why aren't we trying
[2:03:27] to make sure that we ask them to come
[2:03:29] together and it sounds to me like you
[2:03:31] did that with the coalition that even
[2:03:32] though they applied outside of that that
[2:03:35] you said you know working together works
[2:03:37] better
[2:03:39] I'm going to take the county uh so thank
[2:03:41] you for that and for all the work and I
[2:03:43] appreciate the fact that you didn't just
[2:03:45] do this based it on just your staff but
[2:03:48] you asked other people to um to actually
[2:03:51] to take a look at some of the
[2:03:52] applications. I don't know if you were
[2:03:54] all aware of that process and and uh a
[2:03:57] couple council members did so and and
[2:03:59] others as well and other me staff in the
[2:04:01] city outside of department of
[2:04:02] development. So there was a broad look
[2:04:05] because you know what happens in
[2:04:06] development happens you know impacts the
[2:04:08] entire city. So I appreciate you know
[2:04:10] how you address that. We're excited
[2:04:12] about what we're doing and I feel really
[2:04:14] proud of the equitable process that was
[2:04:17] put before this year. When I came into
[2:04:20] this role 18 months ago, I said we're
[2:04:22] going to do we're going to have
[2:04:24] everything online. We're we're we're
[2:04:27] building our own CRM, customer relation
[2:04:30] management system. And this year we have
[2:04:33] done that from start to finish, meaning
[2:04:35] our applications were online. how the
[2:04:38] applicants were scored was online, how
[2:04:41] it was um randomly selected and matched
[2:04:44] with a person was online, our risk
[2:04:46] assessment. So, we're really proud of
[2:04:47] that um approach this year.
[2:04:50] >> Great. Any other questions or comments
[2:04:54] on this Mr. B? I was just um
[2:04:58] I I think about like kind of like a I
[2:05:00] know that doing this process in an
[2:05:02] equitable manner is something that is
[2:05:04] extremely difficult to do
[2:05:06] >> and also um it doesn't leave everyone uh
[2:05:10] cheering it. Honestly, it just is what
[2:05:11] it is. Um and I know that in process you
[2:05:14] know sometimes there there was a saying
[2:05:16] that around that equity can feel like
[2:05:20] restriction to those in positions of
[2:05:24] privilege. Meaning that if that
[2:05:26] privilege is that you've been um
[2:05:29] supported historically from the city,
[2:05:33] when that time comes where you know we
[2:05:36] are owning up to our values of equity
[2:05:38] and opening the door for other people to
[2:05:40] kind of take some of that opport to get
[2:05:42] some of that opportunity to build the
[2:05:44] organization as well. That can that can
[2:05:47] feel, you know, people can feel
[2:05:49] slighted, but that's really the price
[2:05:51] you pay to do the job the way that
[2:05:53] you're supposed to be doing it. saying
[2:05:54] we do it and based on our express value.
[2:05:56] So I I greatly appreciate that. And my
[2:05:58] question is how many how many new uh
[2:06:02] first time I guess recipients do you
[2:06:05] know I know
[2:06:06] >> we had five new in total and three were
[2:06:10] funded. The other two were incomplete
[2:06:13] applications. So we didn't have all of
[2:06:14] the information needed to score them
[2:06:17] properly.
[2:06:19] In total we had 39 applicants this year.
[2:06:22] So 12 applicants 12 applications were
[2:06:26] not scored but of those 12 applications
[2:06:28] nine had other applications that receive
[2:06:31] funding.
[2:06:31] >> Oh okay. Okay.
[2:06:34] >> Thank you.
[2:06:35] >> Are there any other questions Mr.
[2:06:38] >> um page 14A
[2:06:41] house homeless homeless housing and
[2:06:43] eviction prevention.
[2:06:46] >> Do you have the 2024 outcome report for
[2:06:49] this program?
[2:06:50] >> Yes. Would you mind sharing to the
[2:06:52] council?
[2:06:52] >> Yes. Yes.
[2:06:54] >> And just a follow up on on the new uh
[2:06:57] agency that we're funding. Are all the
[2:07:00] agency have based?
[2:07:02] >> Yes. All agencies are have based. Yes.
[2:07:07] >> Thank you.
[2:07:09] >> Any other questions, concerns?
[2:07:12] >> All right.
[2:07:13] >> See no m I move this.
[2:07:15] >> All right. It's moved by Miss Lair.
[2:07:17] Second. Second. Second by Miss Patrick.
[2:07:20] All in favor?
[2:07:21] >> I I thank you very much.
[2:07:26] » All right. Our next item is discussion.
[2:07:29] City of Connecticut Metroplex parking
[2:07:31] services agreement. Lasal mobile payment
[2:07:34] technology. Mr. Wall is present.
[2:07:40] » Hello. As some of you may know, the city
[2:07:43] of Sky uh utilizes a payment of cash
[2:07:46] called Passport. um it is our mobile
[2:07:49] paying app. We are utilizing it through
[2:07:52] a mutual agreement with Metroplex.
[2:07:54] Agreement's been in place for 5 years.
[2:07:56] Metroplex I have David can't believe me
[2:08:00] has uh gone out for a new RFP uh done an
[2:08:03] evaluation and is looking to move
[2:08:05] towards a new platform called Glasgow um
[2:08:08] which is outlined briefly in your
[2:08:09] legislative request. So um I wanted uh
[2:08:12] Dave to come over here today and explain
[2:08:14] uh where Metroplex is. Um the city uh
[2:08:17] has the option to continue to work with
[2:08:19] Metroplex and have a unified parking at
[2:08:22] downtown or the city could go off and
[2:08:24] continue to use Passport um as it as it
[2:08:28] is. Um but that's what we're here to
[2:08:29] talk with you about uh today. Um and
[2:08:32] just so you're aware the kiosk would
[2:08:34] remain kiosk would be remaining in both.
[2:08:36] So uh David, if you'd like to just give
[2:08:37] a recap of
[2:08:39] everybody. Uh yeah, we're here to talk
[2:08:41] about uh Lazo. So I I think most of you
[2:08:45] know Metroplex has operated downtown
[2:08:47] parking system since 2004. Uh you know
[2:08:51] system was operated by the city the
[2:08:53] parking garage uh there's a $4 million
[2:08:55] debt on it. We signed it over to
[2:08:57] Metroplex and took it over and then we
[2:08:59] had the service lots uh uh taken over as
[2:09:02] well. So you know really proud of our
[2:09:03] parking operation. It's important to our
[2:09:05] downtown services providing uh downtown
[2:09:08] businesses residents. We have a
[2:09:10] residence program now as well. Um and
[2:09:12] then visitors to uh destinations like
[2:09:15] Proctor's Clean, efficient parking. Uh
[2:09:17] since we were resumeing up for an RFP
[2:09:19] park services uh to manage the parking
[2:09:22] lot in 2005, Les Parking has been our
[2:09:25] provider. Uh periodically through time,
[2:09:28] we keep going out asking new uh folks to
[2:09:31] uh take a crack at it. Uh and um we did
[2:09:34] this in May and uh Laz again u came
[2:09:38] forward with a a strong proposal for us.
[2:09:40] uh and their proposal included uh their
[2:09:43] own uh payment technology. Uh payment
[2:09:46] technology does a few things. One, it
[2:09:48] gets rid of uh the need to download an
[2:09:50] app which is uh sometimes difficult for
[2:09:53] people. Uh a lot of people, you know,
[2:09:54] you do that QR code now and just hit it.
[2:09:57] A lot of people have Apple Pay, so that
[2:09:59] new technology exists. They've
[2:10:00] incorporated that. Uh and then it's also
[2:10:03] just uh cheaper for us, too. the less uh
[2:10:06] administrative costs um so that we can
[2:10:09] continue to offer good quality parking
[2:10:12] uh for us on our uh off street locations
[2:10:15] and then if you approve it we continue
[2:10:17] to offer the same service uh for the on
[2:10:20] street locations as well. Um, Lasco is
[2:10:23] one of the biggest uh parking providers,
[2:10:26] 44 states, 639 cities. Um, great uh
[2:10:29] company. Their local presence and
[2:10:31] management has done a terrific job
[2:10:33] taking over some of our landscaping and
[2:10:35] property maintenance activities. So, um,
[2:10:37] we're very pleased that they uh um
[2:10:40] responded to the RFQ and uh that the
[2:10:42] metroplex board would like to move
[2:10:43] forward with it. Any questions?
[2:10:46] >> Yes. my um in ter now there's right now
[2:10:48] if you have the the app on your phone
[2:10:50] and you your time runs out you can add
[2:10:52] money with the scanning this QR code is
[2:10:55] that still an option
[2:10:56] >> it still works the same way it'll still
[2:10:58] push updates to your phone uh you won't
[2:11:00] need to know your zone anymore once
[2:11:02] you're in ask you yeah that would be
[2:11:04] nice right uh but you can still the same
[2:11:07] pricing you know we met with all the
[2:11:08] department heads about this uh the
[2:11:10] backend enforcement side uh still stays
[2:11:12] the same for them so they're they're all
[2:11:14] in good spirits about this But yeah,
[2:11:16] it'll have do those same services uh
[2:11:18] that passport has.
[2:11:20] >> Okay, that's a question that was raised
[2:11:22] from me. Um, Miss Patrick, just want to
[2:11:25] say I was in uh Buffalo last week and
[2:11:28] had to download their app and it turned
[2:11:31] out I didn't have to download their app
[2:11:33] really because I did, but it was
[2:11:35] actually the passport.
[2:11:36] >> Okay. So, because all my information was
[2:11:39] already in my phone for Skenctity, um it
[2:11:43] just was a and I was able to pay for the
[2:11:46] parking in Buffalo.
[2:11:48] >> But you still have to kind of figure
[2:11:49] that out. The nice thing about Laso is
[2:11:50] if you just um you can there is still an
[2:11:53] app there. People are comfortable using
[2:11:55] apps. Uh but it really is you just look
[2:11:57] up there's a sign.
[2:11:58] >> Uh and then you just point your phone at
[2:12:00] it and then you don't even have to store
[2:12:02] your you talked about your credit card
[2:12:03] information being stored. People don't
[2:12:05] like that. uh you can do that or it's
[2:12:07] just if you have Apple Pay, you double
[2:12:08] click on the side or Samsung Pay or you
[2:12:10] download on this side of your phone uh
[2:12:13] tap on your phone and then it's taken
[2:12:15] care of. So LZ is a great company. They
[2:12:17] have you know a great track record and
[2:12:20] um making sure the technology is safe
[2:12:22] and and secure for everyone as well. So
[2:12:24] they would um you know no cost to to the
[2:12:26] city to make this uh transition. Uh some
[2:12:29] of the devices that the enforcement team
[2:12:31] uses will continue to work on the
[2:12:32] enforcement side. Um, so we'd love to
[2:12:35] have one system. I think that people
[2:12:37] appreciated that both on street and off
[2:12:38] street. Uh, uh, you know, we are going
[2:12:41] to be moving forward with Lazo. Uh, you
[2:12:43] we'll start making that transition on
[2:12:45] the off streetet locations, the
[2:12:47] metroplex lots in the fall. And then,
[2:12:49] you know, making sure that there's a
[2:12:51] good uh, public campaign, people
[2:12:53] understand it. We'd look sometime around
[2:12:55] January 1 uh if you approve to enter
[2:12:58] into management agreement to make that
[2:13:00] change over on the um on that street
[2:13:03] locations.
[2:13:04] >> Mr. Farley then
[2:13:06] >> so
[2:13:08] partnering with partnering with
[2:13:09] Metroplex and it saves seems like it
[2:13:11] saves the city some money. Um and I was
[2:13:13] just wondering what is this like what is
[2:13:14] our contribution to this as for the city
[2:13:17] cost like right now? So we have covered
[2:13:20] all of the administrative costs to have
[2:13:24] um the technology and uh what we do is
[2:13:28] it gets um allocated into where does the
[2:13:31] funding come uh where does the revenue
[2:13:33] come from city controlled uh areas on
[2:13:37] street and then what is allocated
[2:13:39] because it's all geoloccated uh from the
[2:13:41] metroplex facilities and at the end of
[2:13:43] each month we reconcile it and send it
[2:13:45] over to finance for the check for your
[2:13:47] share. So, we cover all the costs. Um,
[2:13:50] you know, it's it's minimal work for us.
[2:13:53] Um, and we want to offer this service
[2:13:56] anyways and make it an efficient place
[2:13:57] to go downtown. So, um, you know, we
[2:14:01] don't pass any cost on to the city.
[2:14:04] >> One more question.
[2:14:05] >> Yeah. So, Miss Patrick made me think of
[2:14:08] something. Um, do we know like what Laz
[2:14:11] goes does with people's information? Is
[2:14:13] there like as when we're cuz I know
[2:14:14] they're a large company and anytime that
[2:14:17] you do that you sometimes do you know
[2:14:19] like if they like do they sell
[2:14:21] >> they sell it or something like that?
[2:14:22] >> Yeah. Like
[2:14:23] >> yeah we'll check through the their
[2:14:25] policies to make sure we're comfortable.
[2:14:26] You know we only contract um you know
[2:14:30] obviously uh by law there's only certain
[2:14:33] things you can do. If that is a a
[2:14:35] concern, we'll address it and before we
[2:14:37] enter into the management agreement, um
[2:14:39] we'll just make sure that it meets all
[2:14:41] city guidelines of what you can do with
[2:14:43] uh uh individual information.
[2:14:45] >> Thank you,
[2:14:46] >> Mr. Toro. Thank you. So, the kiosk will
[2:14:50] stay,
[2:14:51] >> correct?
[2:14:51] >> So, people can put uh change into there?
[2:14:55] >> Yes.
[2:14:55] >> Okay. Um because my my passport app on
[2:14:58] my phone has about 15 different license
[2:15:00] plates from people standing there in
[2:15:01] front of the machine going like this and
[2:15:03] I put their license plate on my on my
[2:15:06] phone so I can help them out. And I'm
[2:15:08] just worried because there's so many uh
[2:15:10] individuals that I encounter daily uh
[2:15:13] walking around that have no clue um how
[2:15:16] to work a passport or download an app or
[2:15:19] how to even probably hold a phone up to
[2:15:21] anything and Apple Pay or some type of
[2:15:25] payment. I mean um
[2:15:28] >> yeah. So all the the kiosks, we have
[2:15:30] some in our main uh lots as well. Those
[2:15:32] will continue to be there. They'll
[2:15:33] accept cash. Um yeah, you know,
[2:15:36] downloading an app is not for everybody
[2:15:37] and uh not only can you uh take pictures
[2:15:40] with the QR code, but you can also just
[2:15:42] text and most people do text now. It'll
[2:15:44] say text this number and then the link
[2:15:46] will pop up on your phone. But yes, you
[2:15:48] know, people who don't have a
[2:15:49] smartphone, uh they'll continue to be
[2:15:51] able to use the kiosks that are around.
[2:15:54] Uh you know, Metroplex the garage also
[2:15:56] accepts uh cash as well. Also, you know,
[2:15:59] Metroplex lots are free nights and
[2:16:00] weekends as
[2:16:01] >> I was going to ask you. I just wrote
[2:16:02] down free here. So to to make sure you
[2:16:05] advertise that that you know I I yell at
[2:16:07] people all the time you know after 4:00
[2:16:09] you don't have to pay and
[2:16:10] >> I don't pay
[2:16:12] >> I think it's later than that
[2:16:13] >> nights and weekends are free
[2:16:15] [Music]
[2:16:17] cuz they go off but they go off duty at
[2:16:19] 4. So I'm figuring that's safe
[2:16:22] for but that needs but people need to I
[2:16:25] see people all the time just you know
[2:16:27] trying to put money in or pay when it's
[2:16:29] night. So we're going to do that's huge
[2:16:31] for our city with everything we have
[2:16:34] that's going on here.
[2:16:35] >> Yeah. And so Laz will do some uh they've
[2:16:37] done some customer appreciation events
[2:16:38] where they come out they'll table. Uh we
[2:16:40] also have parksconnecty.com our website.
[2:16:43] We'll update all the information of how
[2:16:44] to use it. There's a good promotion
[2:16:46] video. Uh and then uh some of the
[2:16:48] signage for passport is uh faded now. So
[2:16:51] it'll be all new fresh signage. We'll
[2:16:53] work with the city team to make sure it
[2:16:54] has the look and style that uh that the
[2:16:56] city would like.
[2:16:58] >> Sounds good,
[2:16:59] >> Mr. Williams.
[2:17:00] >> Uh so I definitely want to say um thank
[2:17:02] you and kind of expanding from your
[2:17:05] point just point of reflection. I've
[2:17:07] never met anyone who's gone. I've loved
[2:17:09] passport. So I think it's a struggle
[2:17:11] even to to meet myself. Um, so I think
[2:17:14] it's very appreciative to find uh
[2:17:16] applications that take away the burden
[2:17:18] of like downloading a software. Um, but
[2:17:21] I do want to add to M to point about the
[2:17:23] kiosk. I when I also have catch people
[2:17:27] and it is just you feel so bad and
[2:17:29] you're glad you're not in that position
[2:17:31] yourself but going to help them. Is
[2:17:33] there any considerations for more
[2:17:35] streamlined kiosk? And then uh my second
[2:17:38] question was how do we map to identify
[2:17:41] to tell people you're in this area here
[2:17:43] is where you can pay if you want to pay
[2:17:45] with money. I feel like that's always
[2:17:46] been a challenge as well.
[2:17:49] >> So this is an on street question. I'd
[2:17:53] like Chris handle you know off street
[2:17:55] you know we're going to do some uh
[2:17:57] additional banners that draw attention
[2:17:59] to you know free nights and weekends and
[2:18:02] things like that. The point is to try to
[2:18:05] parking is expensive. This used to be an
[2:18:07] annual million-doll deficit in 2004. I
[2:18:09] think above what that's valued now for
[2:18:11] the city. So, um you know, we don't run
[2:18:14] it as a money making business, but we do
[2:18:17] try to get as close to being um you
[2:18:20] know, revenue neutral on it so that we
[2:18:21] can keep it nice and and make sure it
[2:18:23] meets the standard that we want. Um
[2:18:26] we'll continue to look at our kiosk. I
[2:18:28] think that there are some things you can
[2:18:29] do to make it a little bit more
[2:18:31] efficient. Um, you know, but the more we
[2:18:34] can get people comfortable with this
[2:18:35] technology, just the, you know, the
[2:18:37] better it would be for for everyone
[2:18:38] while still supporting our last given
[2:18:41] data on on street.
[2:18:44] Um, you'll see more of a presentation on
[2:18:47] the kiosk come budget time. Um, we are
[2:18:50] looking to purchase some upgraded
[2:18:52] kiosks. Um, you know, the screen
[2:18:54] technology gets better every year. I'm
[2:18:56] not saying we buy kiosks every year. Um
[2:18:58] there's also um we do have to start
[2:19:02] transitioning. One of the things that
[2:19:03] we're always at um odds with is
[2:19:07] technology itself. So I like this
[2:19:10] transition, but I would just advise that
[2:19:12] you know going to Glasgow that the
[2:19:13] commitments how many years?
[2:19:15] >> Uh it's 5 years.
[2:19:16] >> So five I would you always advise we
[2:19:18] don't go less than 5 years unless
[2:19:20] there's some reason to just because it
[2:19:22] is hard to keep up with technology. Um,
[2:19:24] you know, we've had to invest in the
[2:19:25] kiosk to replace all the 3G antennas
[2:19:28] with 4G antennas because of the switch.
[2:19:31] And now what we're looking at is making
[2:19:33] sure that they have chips uh chip
[2:19:36] readers. So, the new ones will have chip
[2:19:38] readers because swiping is going away in
[2:19:41] the next
[2:19:41] >> within the next 5 years. I believe it's
[2:19:43] going away. We've opened kiosks last 10
[2:19:45] years. We're also looking at kiosks that
[2:19:47] are underperforming and moving away from
[2:19:50] having kiosks that cost us $40 a month
[2:19:53] and service fees that generate $5 a
[2:19:55] month. So, that is something and but
[2:19:57] those areas we still are looking at
[2:19:59] pushing trying to push people to the app
[2:20:01] and that's kind of the conversation is
[2:20:03] that um where we want to go also maybe
[2:20:05] reducing the amount of kiosk but trying
[2:20:07] to make it so that you do know where
[2:20:09] they are. loan for instance. We do have
[2:20:11] four in this area right in front of city
[2:20:13] hall where it could we get away with two
[2:20:15] just trying to get more efficient. And
[2:20:17] you know we do get requests for cash for
[2:20:20] people to actually use cash at the
[2:20:22] kiosk. Cash is complex. Um you get into
[2:20:26] using golf dollar coins as as change.
[2:20:29] You get into counting differently now.
[2:20:30] You just don't have a change box. You
[2:20:32] have something else. So it does add that
[2:20:34] complexity. And I don't know, you know,
[2:20:36] we've made a decision to go away from
[2:20:37] cash 10 years ago. And if you've gone to
[2:20:39] any event centers or public locations,
[2:20:41] you know, they're going totally away
[2:20:43] from cash, credit card only. Um, so I I
[2:20:46] think that we stick with where we are
[2:20:47] because coin is simpler, but I do know
[2:20:49] that we have uh people that are and I do
[2:20:51] know Metroplex uses cash at theirs, but
[2:20:54] I think it's less kiosks than what we
[2:20:56] have. So, I just want to point that out
[2:20:58] that the the kiosk when I propose them
[2:21:00] right now, they're still coin and
[2:21:02] credit, not not cash, but it could be
[2:21:05] added if it was needed. But once again,
[2:21:07] you'd be left you'd be left with some
[2:21:09] habits, some not. So you might get some.
[2:21:12] >> That's perfect. As the technology
[2:21:14] continues to evolve, is there a way to
[2:21:17] Miss Doro's question where after I
[2:21:22] thought it was 6 p.m. but okay 5:00 p.m.
[2:21:25] that you wouldn't be able to actually
[2:21:28] input anything into uh you know I feel
[2:21:32] like I feel like I've experienced that
[2:21:33] also on a night or a weekend where it's
[2:21:36] not going to let you use the app um
[2:21:39] because you don't have to pay. So
[2:21:43] >> there that may be possible. I haven't
[2:21:44] looked into it. May be possible, but
[2:21:47] yeah, we would be
[2:21:49] >> not receiving ancillary revenues.
[2:21:53] >> That's true.
[2:21:55] >> Yeah, I do think the app will have it
[2:21:58] not anymore, right? It'll just say it's
[2:22:00] not. You don't want to confuse people
[2:22:02] more cuz I've been there in places as
[2:22:03] well where I'm like, well, it worked and
[2:22:05] it didn't work and you just don't know
[2:22:06] cuz the sign's not around. So,
[2:22:09] >> um, you don't want to just say it's not
[2:22:10] functioning at this time.
[2:22:11] >> I need that ding when it tells me that I
[2:22:14] made my payment. Ding.
[2:22:16] >> So, um, Mr. Well, you you you talk about
[2:22:19] coin versus cash. Are you just talking
[2:22:21] about people putting in dollar bills or
[2:22:23] like dimes and nickels?
[2:22:27] » Yeah. Um, the other thing is, um,
[2:22:30] because this happens, and this might be
[2:22:31] what you're experiencing, um, Miss
[2:22:32] Patrick, there are times when coins will
[2:22:35] not go in because I never download the
[2:22:37] app and so I use coins on my credit
[2:22:39] card. But there's times when coins go
[2:22:41] in. Is that because it's full or that it
[2:22:42] won't set?
[2:22:43] >> It could be a jam.
[2:22:44] >> Yeah, they get jammed.
[2:22:45] >> Yeah, they do get jam and then Mike and
[2:22:47] our department will go and and do it.
[2:22:49] But yes, that that happens. Or someone
[2:22:50] tries to put something in. It might not
[2:22:52] be a coin to try to trick it and then it
[2:22:54] gets in because it is a it is you know
[2:22:56] you put something a little bit bigger
[2:22:57] and it can get caught and I'm sure if uh
[2:22:59] Mike Fa was here he would tell you all
[2:23:01] about
[2:23:03] operating the kiosk.
[2:23:05] Um my other uh thing is this is actually
[2:23:07] a concern because you talked about
[2:23:09] reducing the number of kiosks perhaps
[2:23:11] and my concern in that is that um that
[2:23:14] people who are have mobility problems
[2:23:17] have you know in the distance they may
[2:23:19] have to walk now from their car to the
[2:23:20] kiosk and then back again. So I just
[2:23:23] want to make sure we take into
[2:23:24] consideration as we're reducing this and
[2:23:27] I know we're trying to make it more
[2:23:28] efficient but I believe we're also
[2:23:30] trying to make things okay for our
[2:23:32] residents. So that would be a concern
[2:23:33] for me especially around city hall where
[2:23:35] a lot of people come to pay their taxes
[2:23:38] do various things that they don't do
[2:23:40] online they come and pay it. So I just
[2:23:42] want to you know that's something you
[2:23:43] can take. So to that point, right, like
[2:23:47] as we're reooking at things, if you're
[2:23:49] saying trying to guess, so you could put
[2:23:51] one key, we have, let's say, seven
[2:23:53] kiosks around city hall because we're
[2:23:55] trying to pick you up. Instead, we could
[2:23:57] put a kiosk at the entrance to city hall
[2:23:59] and a kiosk at the entrance pedestrian
[2:24:01] jet. There's two.
[2:24:03] >> Now, you might say, "What about the post
[2:24:05] office?" Then you put one at that
[2:24:06] corner. There's three,
[2:24:08] >> you know. So I that's what I just want
[2:24:10] to look at. instead of two and two and six, you know, if if we think
[2:24:16] the generator is city hall, then I mean
[2:24:18] to the point of metroplex, when you go
[2:24:20] to the metroplex, the kiosk is usually
[2:24:22] at the entrance exit.
[2:24:23] >> Mhm.
[2:24:23] >> Um now they're not trying to bet what
[2:24:25] entrance exit you're going to. They
[2:24:27] don't have, you know, one at every side.
[2:24:29] Correct. And you have usually one
[2:24:30] >> kios. Yeah.
[2:24:32] >> Right. So you walk to that and then you
[2:24:34] go
[2:24:34] >> a sign.
[2:24:36] And and this is just, you know, once
[2:24:38] again me putting on my engineer hat and
[2:24:40] trying to do things efficiently. If the
[2:24:42] government and government is so
[2:24:43] efficient, I know it's terribly
[2:24:45] efficient government. Uh if we want to
[2:24:47] put them all over the place, put them
[2:24:49] everywhere. It's great. We'll put them
[2:24:51] wherever you want. I'll buy more kiosks.
[2:24:53] It's not a problem. We'll just have more
[2:24:54] kiosks. We just have to budget for more
[2:24:57] kiosks. And they do come with fees cuz
[2:24:59] they're cellular. And so, you know, and then once again, if you put two
[2:25:03] kiosks where one is, they're going to
[2:25:04] split the revenue and, you know, it just
[2:25:06] it is what it is. But I have no problem,
[2:25:08] you know, accommodating people and
[2:25:10] putting them out there. I would just,
[2:25:12] like I say, I get the revenue reports
[2:25:13] and we're looking and we're trying to
[2:25:15] just find where we can put them to make
[2:25:16] them more efficient.
[2:25:18] >> I understand. And let me just be be
[2:25:19] clear, I'm not advocating for more. I'm
[2:25:21] just also not advocating for less. just
[2:25:24] want to make sure that people have what
[2:25:25] they need uh in terms of being, you
[2:25:28] know, um you compared to Metroplex, but
[2:25:30] they have parking lots and you pull into
[2:25:31] the parking lot and there's the kiosk
[2:25:33] and then you park in the lot. That's a
[2:25:35] little bit different for us. So,
[2:25:37] >> well, I mean, so the zoo lot, the
[2:25:38] Liberty Lot, you're going to pull into
[2:25:40] the lot and park, right?
[2:25:41] >> And the kiosk is at the entrance. So, if
[2:25:44] you pulled into that lot and wanted to
[2:25:46] go to 20 north,
[2:25:48] >> that is over here. The kiosk is over
[2:25:50] here. So you will have to walk over to
[2:25:52] pay to go. So just like it's it's very
[2:25:55] similar to off street. There will be a
[2:25:57] little bit of a little bit of a walk
[2:25:59] either way to do it.
[2:26:02] >> Um
[2:26:03] >> yeah. So I could have misunderstood
[2:26:06] this. Isn't like so people who like who
[2:26:08] have mobility issues who like um like
[2:26:11] stickers or facts on their car on their
[2:26:12] license plate um they are required to
[2:26:15] pay the same fee that everyone else
[2:26:17] pays.
[2:26:19] >> Yeah. I wasn't sure. Not everybody
[2:26:20] thinks they do cuz I've seen they put
[2:26:22] their flashlight up and walk away like
[2:26:23] I'm good. Mary, did you have something
[2:26:25] you want to add to this?
[2:26:26] >> It's part of the change in technology.
[2:26:29] When people go to the kiosk, they don't
[2:26:31] have to go back to their car,
[2:26:32] >> right?
[2:26:33] >> You put your license plate in, it goes
[2:26:35] in the system and enforcement knows that
[2:26:38] you paid for it. That's even like
[2:26:41] >> some businesses are very gracious. They
[2:26:43] may be paying for more than just their
[2:26:45] tie. you know, restaurants, other things
[2:26:47] that say they uh it's a problem for
[2:26:50] people having to pay to park. If they
[2:26:53] want to pay the 50 cents or the dollar,
[2:26:57] they can put in the license plate, pay
[2:27:00] for that car, and
[2:27:03] >> it is something that we can do
[2:27:06] >> off street. I would never broadcast it
[2:27:09] to take away from revenue from the city
[2:27:11] though. So, but if there's a business
[2:27:13] that wants to maybe they have a great
[2:27:15] lunch crowd or um you know there's
[2:27:17] certain events going on, it is something
[2:27:19] that we we have uh one business that
[2:27:21] already has expressed interest and is
[2:27:22] going to move forward with they'll have
[2:27:23] a promo code. You can go into their
[2:27:25] business, you can snap, you can maybe
[2:27:27] you've already paid there and like I'm
[2:27:28] going to go have lunch and uh I can get
[2:27:30] my 2 hours of free parking. So, it is
[2:27:32] something that we can certainly do to um
[2:27:34] with this new technology and again it's
[2:27:37] just easier and more simpler and you
[2:27:39] know I think everyone's texting
[2:27:40] nowadays. So if you see you know text uh
[2:27:43] you know 421 to this number and then it
[2:27:45] snaps in much easier than downloading an
[2:27:47] app and making sure you downloaded the
[2:27:49] right app.
[2:27:54] » Any further discussion?
[2:27:56] So this is just just informing us this
[2:27:58] is just up to the secondary end as well.
[2:28:00] >> Yeah, this is to have an upgraded
[2:28:02] updated management agreement now that we
[2:28:04] moved from passport to the last system.
[2:28:07] >> So you you ask for res this to be move
[2:28:10] forward because it's on the agenda
[2:28:12] simply as discussion. So that's why I
[2:28:14] wanted to be clear.
[2:28:15] >> So the next step would be we would have
[2:28:17] a res agreement
[2:28:21] parking service agreement. It's a
[2:28:22] professional services agreement and
[2:28:23] follows the same pattern that was put in
[2:28:26] place in 2020.
[2:28:28] >> But you um I'm just I'm curious.
[2:28:31] >> Do you want to send that out first? I
[2:28:34] mean after this and this was kind of a
[2:28:36] broad overview of what what the plan is.
[2:28:38] I don't and there was some questions by
[2:28:40] council members regarding some
[2:28:42] specifics.
[2:28:43] >> Um perhaps next cycle we'll have to
[2:28:47] draft for the council's consideration.
[2:28:49] This was this is still going to
[2:28:51] metroplex board correct.
[2:28:53] >> So we wanted to get in before that and
[2:28:54] we wanted to make sure that the council
[2:28:56] was
[2:28:57] >> amable to going this way if there were
[2:28:59] any concerns so that we could look this
[2:29:01] is the next step would be after there
[2:29:03] that we would come back okay
[2:29:04] >> with agreement for so this was just
[2:29:07] informing the council in principle
[2:29:09] what's going on so that everybody's on
[2:29:11] the same page and then the agreement
[2:29:13] after Metro it then we'll take a look at
[2:29:16] it and then for final council action.
[2:29:18] >> All right. Okay. Okay. All right. Thank
[2:29:20] you very much, Mr. Lion.
[2:29:22] >> Thank you.
[2:29:22] very much for coming.
[2:29:24] Appreciate it.
[2:29:26] >> Uh the next item number three is the
[2:29:29] issuance of a revocable permit number
[2:29:31] 691 to Synthesis Architects
[2:29:34] for a sign that will overhang the city's
[2:29:36] rights.
[2:29:37] >> Synthesis Architects is a longtime
[2:29:40] architecture firm on J Street. Um they
[2:29:43] have a old uh sign attached to their
[2:29:46] building. Um, we looked to see and they have a revocable permit that's very old. Uh, insurance expired
[2:29:54] under different formats. So, they were
[2:29:56] amicable to coming in and getting a new
[2:29:58] revocable permit for their new sign,
[2:30:00] which will hand you a similar location.
[2:30:02] So, we'd like to move forward with that.
[2:30:06] >> Any questions or concerns? I'll move it.
[2:30:08] >> Second.
[2:30:09] >> All those in favor? I
[2:30:10] >> Thank you. Uh item number four is uh
[2:30:14] award bid in contact with the city's
[2:30:15] connecting fire station number three and
[2:30:17] number four generators.
[2:30:19] Mr. Wallen.
[2:30:21] So uh in an effort to increase the
[2:30:24] city's resilience in emergency
[2:30:25] situations. Um we are trying to or
[2:30:29] looking to fix a a thing that we have
[2:30:31] which is no emergency backup power at
[2:30:34] two of our fire stations or two of our
[2:30:35] older fire stations. Um, you know, the
[2:30:38] city, we're fortunate where we actually
[2:30:40] don't lose power very often. We have a
[2:30:42] strong grid here. However, um, one of
[2:30:45] the things that's brought to light is we
[2:30:47] have new doors at the fire stations.
[2:30:50] They are called screw style doors that
[2:30:52] use, uh, almost exactly what it is, like
[2:30:55] a screw. You go like that. Uh, and
[2:30:57] they're slower open. Um, if your house,
[2:30:59] you would have a pole with a spring and
[2:31:01] your door would slide open. These are a
[2:31:04] screw style door because how much we use
[2:31:06] they're more wearable. However, when
[2:31:08] there is no power,
[2:31:09] >> they are extremely tedious to open
[2:31:12] >> and it's brought to light that it really
[2:31:14] should have it. And so we uh did a
[2:31:16] review of the facilities and agreed that
[2:31:18] they uh they should have backup power.
[2:31:20] The facilities aren't large. Um so the
[2:31:24] generators are just slightly larger than
[2:31:27] uh you would have at home, maybe double
[2:31:29] the size of that. Uh we put out a bid
[2:31:31] for these and uh we got three bids from
[2:31:34] three engineers that we work with. Uh
[2:31:36] and the low was Burke Engineering. Um so
[2:31:38] we're comfortable going with Burke for
[2:31:40] the installation of these generators and
[2:31:42] uh I really think um those that are
[2:31:44] stationed at station three and four
[2:31:46] would appreciate it.
[2:31:49] >> Any questions or concerns?
[2:31:51] >> I'll second. All those in favor?
[2:31:55] >> Thank you.
[2:31:55] very much for coming.
[2:31:58] Uh we moved item number five. It's a
[2:32:00] claim. So that's already been discussed.
[2:32:02] And item number six is ceremonial
[2:32:04] resolution for the honor of veteran. Uh
[2:32:07] the person that we received the letter
[2:32:08] from Mr. Frank is Michelle Johnson. So
[2:32:12] um we finally got our information. Did you put a copy of the final
[2:32:17] resolution? Okay. I did print that.
[2:32:20] >> All right. So the um what was in the
[2:32:22] packet was not the final resolution. So,
[2:32:30] but that's
[2:32:38] everybody else.
[2:32:41] Okay. So, um we just uh got the final
[2:32:46] information. We did get some things, but
[2:32:47] I knew it wasn't complete because most
[2:32:49] many of you may even know who this is.
[2:32:51] Um, so I knew there was some things in
[2:32:53] English and rather than us presenting
[2:32:54] something that didn't have all the
[2:32:56] information asked for u her to fill in
[2:32:59] the blanks. So um it just it tells you
[2:33:03] about her and this is a ceremonial
[2:33:05] resolution that will be resetted I
[2:33:06] believe 13 when the county is doing
[2:33:08] their honor program. So just looking for
[2:33:12] a motion for
[2:33:16] second.
[2:33:17] >> All right. Thank you very much. Uh all
[2:33:18] in favor?
[2:33:19] >> I.
[2:33:21] >> Okay. Item number six, uh excuse me,
[2:33:23] item number seven is the moratorium for
[2:33:25] health and wellness spas. Mr. Toro.
[2:33:27] >> Yes. Thank you. So I I'd like to propose
[2:33:30] a six-month moratorium on um health and
[2:33:34] wellness spas uh here in the city. Um so
[2:33:38] that the uh code department um I'd like
[2:33:41] to uh put forward that the uh the
[2:33:44] specific health and wellness spas be
[2:33:47] issued a certificate of occupancy to
[2:33:49] what that does is it ensures that the
[2:33:51] businesses and facilities are operating
[2:33:53] safely legally and in compliance with
[2:33:56] zoning
[2:33:58] building fire and health codes. Um
[2:34:01] they're not currently required at this
[2:34:03] time uh to have a CEO. Um
[2:34:08] other businesses in the city um
[2:34:12] have to have a CEO. Uh barber shops um I
[2:34:16] do have a list of them here. I can't
[2:34:17] find them at this moment. So I'll just
[2:34:19] continue with why it's important. So
[2:34:22] some of the key points are um these
[2:34:24] spawn wellness centers frequently
[2:34:26] provide services um involving direct
[2:34:29] physical contact and using specialized
[2:34:31] equipment, massage oils and treatments
[2:34:34] of things uh for skin treatment. Um
[2:34:37] without oversight through a co there's
[2:34:40] no guarantee that the facilities meet
[2:34:42] the basic health, fire safety,
[2:34:44] ventilation, sanitation, and structural
[2:34:48] requirements.
[2:34:49] Uh the CO would also require facilities
[2:34:52] to demonstrate compliance with safety
[2:34:54] codes uh protecting both patrons and
[2:34:58] employees. Um some of the consumer uh
[2:35:02] protection would be inquire uh requiring
[2:35:04] a certificate of occupancy
[2:35:07] um is a signal to our residents that
[2:35:09] this particular building uh and this
[2:35:12] particular business has been uh visited
[2:35:15] by um our code department, fire
[2:35:17] department, the mayor's office and a
[2:35:19] certificate of occupancy is issued um
[2:35:22] fostering um and encouraging um u
[2:35:26] business growth for that particular for
[2:35:28] that particular particular business. Um,
[2:35:31] other here it is. Other uh
[2:35:33] establishments that have a seal that
[2:35:35] require a seal in our our our city are
[2:35:38] um salons, barber shops, tattoo parlors.
[2:35:42] So those are all um businesses that
[2:35:44] require a certificate of occupancy.
[2:35:47] Um
[2:35:50] uh many uh another another reason is
[2:35:53] professional accountability. So many of
[2:35:56] the spa and wellness uh centers uh use a
[2:35:59] massage uh therapist. So by um a
[2:36:03] certificate of occupancy being issued by
[2:36:05] our code department, it also um
[2:36:09] uh ensures that the professionals who
[2:36:12] work there um meet proper city
[2:36:14] standards.
[2:36:16] um at at the moment um our uh our code
[2:36:23] for massage parlors um and that's what
[2:36:25] it is uh in our in our our code book um
[2:36:29] is just for massage parlors and there's
[2:36:32] nothing in here um saying that they need
[2:36:35] a certificate of occupancy. Um we've
[2:36:38] noticed that there's quite a few just
[2:36:39] popping up in the city. um one in
[2:36:42] particular in in almost a residential
[2:36:44] area with a small sign in the window
[2:36:47] that says uh spa that's kind of lit and
[2:36:51] um encouraging people to go there. So, I
[2:36:54] think it's important at this time that
[2:36:56] the um we we have a a 6-month moratorum,
[2:37:01] a pause on uh all spa, health and
[2:37:04] wellness spas in the city um and
[2:37:07] prohibit any from opening until we can
[2:37:10] uh uh go in and ensure uh that these
[2:37:12] buildings and these places are safe um
[2:37:15] and issue a certificate of occupancy
[2:37:17] through our code department.
[2:37:20] >> Yes, Miss Patrick.
[2:37:21] >> Um
[2:37:22] interesting. I I didn't know that we
[2:37:24] didn't have to have the CO in these in
[2:37:27] these places. So, this is good
[2:37:28] information to know. Um I'm wondering if
[2:37:30] they have to be licensed by New York
[2:37:32] State. I mean,
[2:37:34] >> like a like a what?
[2:37:36] >> Yeah, I just want to chime in on
[2:37:38] clarification. I I think clarification
[2:37:41] before anybody who's masseuse
[2:37:44] >> has to be licensed by the state
[2:37:46] education department. Yeah, the legend
[2:37:48] you know chapter 177 of the city code
[2:37:51] defines massage paras any establishment
[2:37:55] or business by whatever name call where
[2:37:57] massages are administered. It's a broad
[2:37:59] definition
[2:38:00] >> and it also goes into you know it also
[2:38:03] uh has some exceptions there. Um, but
[2:38:06] you know, a licensed mass or a license
[2:38:08] masseuse is any person that's licensed
[2:38:10] to practice massage in accordance with
[2:38:12] the provisions of article 155 of the
[2:38:14] education law
[2:38:16] >> to vi to do the violation of this city
[2:38:18] code regarding that is an unclassified
[2:38:21] misdemeanor subject to a penalty of up
[2:38:22] to $500. It's also it's a it's a
[2:38:26] licensed profession under the state
[2:38:28] education law which makes it a classy
[2:38:30] felony which may if somebody's
[2:38:31] practicing that profession. Mhm.
[2:38:34] >> Um, so there's a broad definition in in
[2:38:38] chapter 177. Now, if there's going to be
[2:38:41] a certificate of use, you know, there's
[2:38:43] a certificate of use. Um there are
[2:38:46] certain businesses over the years that
[2:38:48] have been added to the certificate of
[2:38:51] use which is a banquet facility, bar
[2:38:53] business, cannabis or tobacco retailer
[2:38:55] consumption or convenience store or
[2:38:58] drugstore, private club or lodge,
[2:39:01] restaurant or secondhand dealer store.
[2:39:04] So um the the issue is the definition we
[2:39:08] don't know the definition is broad for
[2:39:11] our massage tolerance but whatever it's
[2:39:14] called and and there's certain ex
[2:39:16] exceptions regarding that.
[2:39:18] >> Um but
[2:39:21] >> the the you know the spa definition you
[2:39:26] know what does that include?
[2:39:29] >> What does that include? Because if you
[2:39:30] if we're going to regulate something,
[2:39:33] >> we got to define it,
[2:39:34] >> right?
[2:39:35] >> And such a definition isn't in our
[2:39:37] zoning code. The only thing we can find
[2:39:40] here is, you know, the massage parlor in
[2:39:42] chapter 177. So
[2:39:47] if if it's if we're going to do a
[2:39:49] certificate of use procedure as well as
[2:39:53] want to incorporate this into our zoning
[2:39:55] code, we probably should have one
[2:39:56] definition.
[2:39:59] So
[2:40:02] you in talking with planning and talking
[2:40:04] to the zoning officer we don't you know
[2:40:07] the health and and this as defined here
[2:40:10] or or not defined here but uh health and
[2:40:14] wellness spa establishments is not
[2:40:16] defined in our code.
[2:40:17] >> Okay.
[2:40:18] >> So we need to define that and then work
[2:40:21] from there because do you include gyms
[2:40:24] in that? You know what do you include in
[2:40:26] that? cuz they
[2:40:27] >> I mean but the thing is if it's massages
[2:40:30] that you're you're you've already got a
[2:40:32] broad
[2:40:34] >> brought something already in the code
[2:40:37] that covers that.
[2:40:38] >> Mhm.
[2:40:40] >> That covers that and makes it you know
[2:40:42] if if you're it says you know if you're
[2:40:44] if if you're if if you're uh it shall be
[2:40:48] unlawful this is 177-2. It should be
[2:40:51] unlawful for any person to practice a
[2:40:53] massage in a massage parlor who's not a
[2:40:55] licensed mass or licensed masseuse.
[2:41:00] >> So um that's that's a broad definition
[2:41:04] but it goes on to you know talk about
[2:41:06] this you know who doesn't practice
[2:41:07] medicine etc etc.
[2:41:10] >> This our code in chapter 177 mirrors
[2:41:14] what's in the state education law as far
[2:41:16] as the licensing exceptions what the
[2:41:19] requirements are. So, um, if it's adding
[2:41:22] a certificate of use to those list of
[2:41:25] businesses,
[2:41:27] we've got to figure out how we're going
[2:41:30] to do that. And if you want to add that,
[2:41:32] I would suggest you also add that
[2:41:34] definition to the the zoning off the
[2:41:36] zoning code as well. Um and
[2:41:42] uh regarding you know application for a
[2:41:44] certificate views has a whole laundry
[2:41:46] list of requirements that have to be you
[2:41:48] know um various you know security licenses
[2:41:56] etc etc. There's a whole under 183-6
[2:41:59] there's a whole list of requirements
[2:42:02] that when somebody's applying for a
[2:42:04] certificate of use has to provide the
[2:42:07] city in order to get the certificate of
[2:42:08] use.
[2:42:10] >> So I just wanted to kind of in broad
[2:42:11] brush say that 177 if if it's illegal
[2:42:16] massage parlors the definition is is
[2:42:19] very it doesn't have to be called a
[2:42:21] massage parlor under our city code. It's
[2:42:23] a very broad definition.
[2:42:26] >> All right. So, let me just um So, let me
[2:42:28] just clarify. So, don't don't all
[2:42:30] businesses have to get a certificate of
[2:42:32] occupancy for the building that they're
[2:42:33] in?
[2:42:34] >> Well, yeah, they have to use.
[2:42:35] >> So, they have this certificate of use,
[2:42:37] >> but they don't necessarily need a
[2:42:38] certificate of use for that particular
[2:42:40] purpose.
[2:42:41] >> Okay. Just to be clear, oh, Miss Patrick
[2:42:44] and then uh cuz she wasn't finished, Mr.
[2:42:46] And then Mr. Ma, Miss Patrick.
[2:42:49] >> Yes. Um so, I guess I think there I
[2:42:52] think what we're talking about right now
[2:42:54] is a moratorum. Um I think there's a lot
[2:42:57] of questions and a lot of research and a
[2:42:59] lot of uh things that will have to be uh
[2:43:02] discussed. So I think having the
[2:43:04] moratorum on new
[2:43:07] businesses of this sort um I could
[2:43:10] support um because I think there's a lot
[2:43:13] of questions. I mean I think when you
[2:43:14] think about all the independent salons
[2:43:17] that might have somebody coming over and
[2:43:18] massaging I mean there's a lot of stuff
[2:43:21] that can get
[2:43:24] involved here. So I think the moratorum
[2:43:27] would be okay while we try to
[2:43:29] investigate all that stuff.
[2:43:30] >> Well, I'm going to ask Mr. M to speak,
[2:43:32] but I'm not sure how we do a moratorium
[2:43:33] on something that doesn't really exist
[2:43:35] yet. So Mr. M.
[2:43:36] >> Yeah, just what I was going to ask on
[2:43:38] the legal side, can we do something like
[2:43:40] that? The council recommends something
[2:43:42] like talking to the planner and the
[2:43:44] zoning officer. If you recall, if you
[2:43:47] recall, you know, our moratoriums for
[2:43:49] the vape shops and and and the to, you
[2:43:51] know, the cannabis shops, we had a
[2:43:54] definition.
[2:43:55] >> Mhm.
[2:43:55] >> You had a definition in which to say
[2:43:58] this is the type of estab, you know,
[2:44:00] that that that's going to be um the
[2:44:04] subject of a moratorum for 6 months or
[2:44:06] we we work out what the zoning code is.
[2:44:09] >> What I'm you know, I've got to get you
[2:44:12] know, we've got you've got to get you
[2:44:14] know, get a definition
[2:44:15] before we even get to the moratorum
[2:44:17] stage and
[2:44:20] do we work off of what's in chapter 177
[2:44:24] do we look at other localities we don't
[2:44:26] mean we like I said you know how we
[2:44:29] don't want to put gyms in this but you
[2:44:30] know what how do you define what you
[2:44:33] want to do and then once we get a
[2:44:36] definition
[2:44:37] >> that's that's workable
[2:44:39] um then you can look at putting a
[2:44:43] regulatory scheme in various chapters of
[2:44:46] the code. But I am I I you know I talked
[2:44:49] to the planners today. I talked to the
[2:44:50] zoning all we don't have a definition of what is referred to here that
[2:44:56] wellness and spot is not definition in
[2:44:59] our code but we can work one out.
[2:45:03] >> Yeah just follow Mr. Torio mentioned
[2:45:05] during your presentation certificate of
[2:45:08] occupancy and certificate of use. It is
[2:45:11] my understanding that once a permit is
[2:45:12] pulled, inspection is done, then a
[2:45:14] clearance is given to occupy that space
[2:45:17] or building. So if you're opening a
[2:45:19] business, that should follow the
[2:45:21] protocol. So I'm not sure if a
[2:45:24] certificate of occupancy or are you
[2:45:26] requiring a certificate of use?
[2:45:28] occupancy because
[2:45:30] >> not a certificate of use.
[2:45:31] >> The certificate of use is the more
[2:45:33] detailed detail
[2:45:34] >> more detailed one, but at this time I'm
[2:45:36] being told that a lot of them are
[2:45:38] popping up without a certificate of
[2:45:40] occupancy.
[2:45:42] >> But I think the certificate of use may
[2:45:43] get you where you want to go. Yes.
[2:45:45] >> So that's why I want to clarify
[2:45:47] certificate of occupancy. the permit
[2:45:48] pull that protocol in place for
[2:45:50] inspection approval
[2:45:53] >> and then um the certificate of user
[2:45:55] follows in terms of the regulation once
[2:45:57] it's adopted
[2:45:58] >> right
[2:45:59] >> I just want to clarify
[2:46:00] >> absolutely yes because I don't think the
[2:46:02] mayor you wanted to make a point Mr.
[2:46:04] here.
[2:46:05] >> Thank you, Madam Chair. Uh
[2:46:09] these businesses that are popping up are
[2:46:12] creating
[2:46:13] really some adverse situations and
[2:46:15] there's been some arrests made in some
[2:46:17] of these some adjacent communities. So
[2:46:20] that I would encourage the council to
[2:46:23] uh go forward on this and is it Mtor
[2:46:27] what you're outlining is like a two-step
[2:46:29] process. you have to come up with a
[2:46:31] definition, but could you come up with a
[2:46:34] definition and incorporate it in the
[2:46:37] moratorum? So, it's a one-step process
[2:46:40] where it's not reflected in the code
[2:46:42] until the end of the moratorum,
[2:46:45] >> right, mayor? I mean, you could do it
[2:46:47] all one. The point we can do a moratorum
[2:46:50] legislation which you all did before and
[2:46:52] in that it can have the definition but
[2:46:56] what I want you know and that's the
[2:46:58] moratorium langu which we can build off
[2:47:00] of what we used previously that's
[2:47:03] >> but I I what I'd like to do is for a
[2:47:06] couple of weeks you know for our next
[2:47:07] cycle to work on that definition give
[2:47:10] you a definition maybe work that into a
[2:47:13] moratorum piece of legislation where
[2:47:15] this is all going to fit and give you a
[2:47:17] working draft,
[2:47:18] >> right?
[2:47:19] >> To look at
[2:47:20] >> that.
[2:47:20] >> Just just as a working draft, so you
[2:47:22] have a the definition we can you can add
[2:47:24] to it, subtract to it, whatever.
[2:47:27] >> That makes sense to me. Um, Mr. Barley.
[2:47:30] >> Yeah. So, I think the mayor is talking
[2:47:33] about some things that were happening.
[2:47:34] You said in some adjacent communities.
[2:47:36] >> Yeah.
[2:47:36] >> Um, and I think that that was some real
[2:47:39] >> sky police and the state police have
[2:47:40] made similar arrests in the city of Sky.
[2:47:43] >> Okay. At a spot. Um my so I my my
[2:47:46] question would be um where's this
[2:47:48] where's the spa at that you're talking
[2:47:50] about that you were saying that
[2:47:51] >> I haven't reported it to a co our code
[2:47:53] department.
[2:47:54] >> Okay. All right. So
[2:47:56] >> do you not want to say
[2:47:58] >> no there's a number of them throughout
[2:48:02] which you don't want to say which ones
[2:48:04] you're reporting.
[2:48:04] >> Yeah. Exactly. I don't think we should
[2:48:07] Sorry. I don't think we should do that
[2:48:08] publicly call one or two because there's
[2:48:10] a lot.
[2:48:12] >> Sorry.
[2:48:13] me.
[2:48:14] >> Well, I just when we had a smoke shop
[2:48:16] conversation, we were pretty descriptive
[2:48:18] actually. We were saying there's one
[2:48:19] here and there's one here and one here.
[2:48:20] We were talking about that. So, that's
[2:48:22] why I was asking about that. I'm trying
[2:48:24] to get a better understanding. Okay.
[2:48:27] >> All right. Um, so and and the other
[2:48:29] thing I want to add to this conversation
[2:48:30] is that we we're mentioning spas and so
[2:48:32] there are places that you go that people
[2:48:33] they call them spas and people women and
[2:48:36] men go get their toes done, their nails
[2:48:37] done and they're calling those spas. So
[2:48:39] I think that we have to be clear that
[2:48:42] what we're talking about otherwise you
[2:48:44] know you're not going to be able to get
[2:48:44] your nails done.
[2:48:46] >> So um you know because it was mentioned
[2:48:48] massage pallet and spas. So I think in
[2:48:51] our whatever we put into the code you
[2:48:54] have to be
[2:48:55] >> or or you can I'm just thinking you just
[2:48:58] use the definition that you've you know work off of the definition in
[2:49:02] chapter 177.
[2:49:04] >> Okay.
[2:49:05] >> That will narrow it down to what you
[2:49:07] want to do. Okay.
[2:49:08] >> And it's already a regulated field via
[2:49:10] our code and as well as the state.
[2:49:13] >> Right. Right.
[2:49:14] >> So we can work off of that and maybe
[2:49:16] narrow it down so it doesn't go into
[2:49:19] areas that you you all don't want to go
[2:49:21] into.
[2:49:22] >> Right. And I want to ask one other
[2:49:24] question, Mr. O'Brien. So um for
[2:49:26] individuals who are there their license
[2:49:28] muse in wherever they work, uh does that
[2:49:31] particular place need the health
[2:49:33] department to come in and inspect at
[2:49:35] all?
[2:49:37] I I can't speak for the county health
[2:49:39] department, but they, you know, they
[2:49:40] have to have a state a licensed masseuse
[2:49:43] is is is licensed and has to, you know,
[2:49:46] by the state ed education department,
[2:49:48] they have to keep their requirements up
[2:49:50] and and and maintain to be licensed.
[2:49:52] >> Okay. to them and if they're doing
[2:49:55] something without
[2:49:56] >> some of these businesses, madam chair,
[2:49:58] are positions of convenience which
[2:50:00] technical review might require the
[2:50:03] department of health might require the
[2:50:06] department of state some I think are
[2:50:09] department of education some of the
[2:50:11] licenses
[2:50:12] >> right I mean this is all department of
[2:50:13] education with sus it's all it's it's
[2:50:16] one of the listed professions by state
[2:50:18] ed or so there
[2:50:20] >> yes Mr. Sure.
[2:50:22] >> Thank you. So, I just want to say, you
[2:50:23] know, when we do what spas you were
[2:50:25] talking about, we all went to spas, you
[2:50:27] know, we get our nails done or whatever,
[2:50:28] but always on the wall are their
[2:50:30] certificates, you know, from New York
[2:50:32] State Department of Health, uh, county
[2:50:34] health department, the New York State
[2:50:36] Health Department. Um, so everyone has
[2:50:39] their picture and things on there. So
[2:50:40] again, we don't want to,
[2:50:43] you know, implement this on businesses
[2:50:45] that are doing uh, you know, better or
[2:50:50] have certificates of use and
[2:50:52] certificates of occupancy. This is just
[2:50:54] to prevent um, businesses from popping
[2:50:57] up in the city that aren't aren't quite
[2:51:00] legal
[2:51:02] and legal in the sense that they're not
[2:51:04] registered with us. That's the only
[2:51:06] thing that I mean, absolutely.
[2:51:09] I didn't think you met anybody else. Mr.
[2:51:12] M, do you have a hand up?
[2:51:13] >> No, no. Because I mean, we can't blame
[2:51:15] them because we don't have it in.
[2:51:18] >> So that's okay because I mean I'm glad
[2:51:21] that it's being brought forward now in
[2:51:22] terms of moving forward for a certain
[2:51:24] views.
[2:51:25] >> Well, we don't have that in the unlisted
[2:51:27] this kind of business.
[2:51:29] >> Well, we do.
[2:51:31] >> So then why are we even Well, we do, but
[2:51:34] it's not under certificate of use. if
[2:51:36] you want to take it up and and then put
[2:51:37] into zoning area and what about areas
[2:51:41] that there is a license masseuse that's
[2:51:43] you know where you want to have that.
[2:51:45] >> So he's saying that we have massage pol
[2:51:48] in her code already. So but Mr. Toro
[2:51:51] says so it's a so the certificate of
[2:51:53] occupancy happens but she's asking for a
[2:51:55] certificate of use
[2:51:57] >> and it's not a bad idea to put that in
[2:51:59] the zoning code. So I mean between the
[2:52:03] certificate use and and put that
[2:52:04] definition into the code the zoning code
[2:52:06] as well
[2:52:07] >> and but right now we don't have that
[2:52:09] there. So
[2:52:10] >> it's just it's just in that one chapter
[2:52:12] >> the next step is your hand up.
[2:52:14] >> Yeah. question. And so like and then we
[2:52:18] just talking about actual brick and
[2:52:19] mortars or are we talking about people
[2:52:21] who like go to people's houses like what
[2:52:24] if that's also illegal
[2:52:27] if they're
[2:52:29] any p practice massage
[2:52:32] um it doesn't you know um any person's
[2:52:36] it is the application of scientific
[2:52:39] system of activity to the it goes
[2:52:41] through a whole definition
[2:52:43] Um,
[2:52:45] but it also has certain exemptions under the code.
[2:52:49] >> I'm pretty sure that in New York State
[2:52:51] that they have traveling mass. There's
[2:52:52] people who pack up and go to people's
[2:52:54] houses. That's traveling masseuse. Um,
[2:52:56] >> right. But they need to still be
[2:52:57] licensed.
[2:52:58] >> Oh, 100%.
[2:53:00] Without question. Because the issue is you've got to be licensed,
[2:53:06] >> right?
[2:53:07] >> That's the that's the key under our code
[2:53:09] and under the state law.
[2:53:10] >> See, that's my question. So, but we're
[2:53:12] not So,
[2:53:14] obviously, are we saying that that
[2:53:16] there's people who are doing this right
[2:53:18] now? The question is that they're not
[2:53:19] licensed massage therapist. Yeah. And they're
[2:53:24] doing this and I and there's is there a
[2:53:26] difference between massage therapist?
[2:53:28] True. Is that is that a important
[2:53:31] distinction to make?
[2:53:32] >> Well, the arrests have been made on
[2:53:33] prostitution.
[2:53:36] >> Well, that's where Okay. and and
[2:53:39] >> we're already pretty clear that that's
[2:53:42] right and Mr. Finally to mass mass or
[2:53:45] massage shed service or pursuant to the
[2:53:48] state education law are all grouped
[2:53:50] together under uh under the uh practice
[2:53:54] they're interchangeable.
[2:53:59] » Yes.
[2:54:00] >> Oh yeah.
[2:54:02] >> That's okay.
[2:54:02] >> So since we're we're we're talking about
[2:54:04] reforming this to zoning should we
[2:54:06] consider location like how we did with
[2:54:09] the smoke shops and you know business? I
[2:54:12] think
[2:54:12] >> in terms of zoning location for these
[2:54:14] type of business.
[2:54:15] >> I think what we need to do is probably
[2:54:17] work with the planners and the zoning
[2:54:19] officer and then work with the
[2:54:21] definition and then get a moratorum uh
[2:54:24] framework together then come back to
[2:54:26] you.
[2:54:27] >> Okay. All right. Miss Patrick again.
[2:54:29] That's exactly what I was going to I was
[2:54:31] just going to remind us that
[2:54:33] um council that had suggested suggested
[2:54:37] that I think it's important to remember
[2:54:39] that we're trying to um this would be to
[2:54:43] try to um make sure that folks are legal
[2:54:47] and also I think the health aspect is
[2:54:49] very important. Um that those two things
[2:54:52] that institutions
[2:54:56] » and so Mr. So Brian, what what time
[2:54:57] frame would you um
[2:54:59] >> um let's let's give it a go for two
[2:55:01] weeks.
[2:55:02] >> I mean, you know, the next one uh next
[2:55:05] month committee cycle. We give it a go
[2:55:07] and see if what we can present to you.
[2:55:11] >> Okay. So, Mr. Tro, this is going to come
[2:55:13] back in two weeks.
[2:55:14] >> Thank you. Okay. Thank you.
[2:55:15] >> You're welcome.
[2:55:17] >> All right. The final items have to do
[2:55:19] with property sales and uh so therefore,
[2:55:22] we'd have to go into executive session.
[2:55:26] Um I make a motion to executive session.
[2:55:29] All right.
[2:55:31] >> I need a second for the executive
[2:55:32] session.
[2:55:33] >> So
[2:55:34] >> all those in favor? We are in executive
[2:55:36] session and members of the public will
[2:55:38] have to leave. I will be right back.
[2:55:40] Okay.
[2:55:50] Heat. Heat.
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