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Sure.

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Yes.

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Are we recorded? Yes.

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Andrew? Yeah.

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Okay. I'm with all the Middlebury Select

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Board Meeting of Tuesday, September 9th

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to order. First item of the agenda.

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Seconded.

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Seconded. Any changes to the agenda?

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Whereas gone all in favor of approving

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the agenda is drafted

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signify by saying aye.

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Aye.

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Thumbs up.

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Next item is approval

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of the consent agenda.

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I move.

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Seconded.

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Moved and seconded.

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Anything on the consent agenda anyone

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would like to call out

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or any changes to it?

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On the minutes of our last meeting,

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August 26th, first I want to compliment

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Beth Dow on writing the part, especially

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the challenging part of it.

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There are some corrections on pages 6, 7

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and 8 that I would like to...

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Is that a line number?

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Yeah. Just a sec.

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Anything?

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So line 292, where it says

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correction of earlier tax rate.

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I don't know. Maybe on page 6 on line

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that this motion was

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later rescinded and corrected.

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But on 7, on line 292, item 7, correction

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of earlier tax rate.

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And approval of downtown tax

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rate was the other thing we did.

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So on line 303, I would add Dinington

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moved to approve a level downtown tax

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rate of 0.513 for FY26.

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Someone seconded it and passed.

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But that's the only

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correction I noted now.

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Otherwise I'm good.

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Good catch.

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Anything else?

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Hearing nothing else.

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In favor of approving the consent agenda

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with the noted changes to the last Select

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Board Meeting minutes,

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signify by saying aye.

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Aye.

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Oh, I'm sorry, Brian.

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There's the check warrants.

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You know, the amount that's

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in our agenda notes is 846,000.

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Crystal sent us something here yesterday,

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which is actually 2.393 million because

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of some July and August re-army payments

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for a certain project next door.

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It says right now it says 2.395, 045.

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Okay. So that must have been updated.

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Which is corrected

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before the meeting here.

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All right. Thank you.

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Okay. Then we'll let the

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vote stand and we'll move on.

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Citizen comments.

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Anybody here for anything?

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It's a lot quieter than the last meeting.

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I thought that we had an active and

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engaged citizen, right?

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I thought we had a following.

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Do you want to do that?

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Careful what you wish for.

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Karen, we'll invite you

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up and we're excited each.

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You know, I don't think we ever in my 12

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years had the Southwerk business.

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Can't wait to be the first.

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So I'd like to start off because I know

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I've just got five or ten minutes by

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leaving it open for you all to ask

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questions that you might have first

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because I want to make sure I

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get plenty of time for that.

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Anybody with anything burning?

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We've got as much time as we want.

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I love questions. I'll take them.

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I think we don't know what

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to ask until we hear from you.

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I would just say that I've had occasion

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to go research some things that have come

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up with relocation of roads for the solar

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project and things like that.

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going to the town clock, first off, as a

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customer to be very satisfying.

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Melissa are very helpful.

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We can't remember how to look up things.

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not anything Karen's fault, but, you

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know, the tax maps that are in there are

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quarterly out of date 2019.

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figure out what parcel goes with

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something and find a deed for it.

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but it does relate to

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how people use the office.

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Is NEMRIC up to date?

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NEMRIC, they've found

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another ask bestow about this.

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far field here in the air.

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they've hired another company

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to do this and they have it.

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comment that hinders them.

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It's not their fault.

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The ones we have right now are 2019,

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which is as of the last

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last townwide assessment.

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department head meeting that

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new tax maps are being ordered.

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I don't know when they will come in, but

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I think she did mention that if you do

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the information is more up to date

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because it's partially

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generated by the grand list.

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It's not going to give you that you

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don't, you're not

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looking at it like a tax map.

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when you're researching there.

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The personal maps on our website and the

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assessors thing are over five years old.

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only bought my house two years ago.

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I'm not hardy to how they use those.

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definitely speak more to it.

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old tax maps in the office.

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Most of you up to date on

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the vehicle first over here.

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been in there on the hours

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or any of that type of stuff?

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No, I think folks are generally pleased

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that we do not ever

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close for lunch hours.

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Melissa and I cover each other for those.

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happen so that we're never

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closed except for holidays

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when already the entire building is

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planning on being locked up or the Monday

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before a major election.

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one that would require us

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to do it at the rec center,

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like a general election town

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meeting, that kind of thing.

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And that's because we need that day to go

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get that election ready.

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And like one day is

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really not enough, honestly.

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But we're there Saturday and Sunday, too.

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That's Tuesday's our election day.

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So Mondays we close.

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complaints about that.

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serve folks as we need to.

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staying there until 5.30.

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things for the day, the

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beginning of the day as well.

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occasional complaints is on Fridays

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if folks decide to go to the last minute

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to get a marriage license.

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neighboring towns who are

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open fewer hours in the week

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but are open on Fridays.

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finance office so they can direct them

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over to the next closest town.

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Maybe that's the...

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I haven't heard a

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complaint in quite a while.

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active office that's still

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open that can be discussed.

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It's surprising because I haven't had a

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complaint in several years.

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Well, good. I'm glad.

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Fridays, they were more complex.

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the week is usually Monday.

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about, "Oh, I got to get to the Town

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Clerk's office to do this thing,"

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they think about it all

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weekend and then come in on Monday.

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Right away, "I got to get it done today,"

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can't happen Monday, Tuesday, Wednesday,

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Thursday, any other later on Monday.

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It's got to be right

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then as soon as I get up.

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So I think it would be really tough to

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choose to have a day off

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on Monday, exposed Friday.

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Being able to be there sort of on a range

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of hours that covers

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people's work schedules

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so they can get in if they're a nine to

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five, or beforehand, or they can come

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after school, that kind of thing,

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and have no breaks in the day.

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I think that consistency

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is good for the community.

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And I think the four-day, 10-hour, a day

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work week is good for Melissa and I.

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I think it works well and makes us feel,

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you know, not burnt out and ready to

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attack again on Monday

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morning, and it feels good.

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Do you get any feedback on the fee

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structures that we have?

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Anybody comment?

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Any that not

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necessarily only looking for bad?

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Does anybody say,

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"Wow, that's fairly cheap"?

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I mean, they love that our notary

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services are free, and folks

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are often surprised by that.

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They have to be free because we're town

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clerks and we're bonded by the town,

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and the town clerk's association or the

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town pays for our

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trainings or for our licensing.

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So it's not something

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that we're doing privately.

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We do only...

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That's one area where we sometimes do get

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complaints is that we don't

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notarize all types of documents.

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We don't notarize wills, towers of

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attorney, child custody documents,

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or anything that asks us to attest that

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the signer is of sound body and mind.

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And the reason we don't do that is

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because we've been advised by the VLCT

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not to notarize those types of documents

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that town clerks have been called into

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court and called into question over

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notarizing documents of that

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sort of a sensitive nature,

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even though all we are notarizing, but

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the person in front of us is

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the person who's signing that.

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Can we absolutely validate that the

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person doesn't have a fake ID?

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Absolutely not.

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It's so easy to make a

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fake license these days.

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So anything like that that we feel could

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bring us into court

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one day, it's unlikely,

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but does the town want to

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have that kind of liability?

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Probably not either.

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We don't notarize

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those types of documents.

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Then that predated my tenure here, except

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for the power of attorney.

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We did a training on notary at last

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year's Vermont Municipal Clerk and

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Treasures Association meeting,

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and the VLCT attorney said that's one of

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the documents you don't

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want to be notarizing.

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How busy is the notary

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service for your country?

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It's very busy.

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And one of the reasons is

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the library is not right here.

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They also did notary services.

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But it also is that so many places aren't

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doing notary services or

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limiting their notary services

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for the same reasons I

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just talked about right now.

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The banks will only do it for their

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members, except for

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Vermont Federal Credit Union.

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They charge, I think

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it's $5 per page for that.

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That's sort of the only place we can send

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somebody without sending

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them to a lawyer's office,

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where they're often going to pay a little

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more than what folks

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expect from the bank.

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So yeah.

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That's fascinating, because I always

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thought the notary just attested to the

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identity of the signer.

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That's what I remember.

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It's your free act indeed.

348
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Is it your free act indeed?

349
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Yeah. And they say yes or no.

350
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Right, but that's what they say, right?

351
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We don't ask that.

352
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No?

353
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No.

354
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We don't legally have to ask that

355
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anymore, and we don't ask it anymore.

356
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Yeah, it's been a long time since I've

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had so many notaries.

358
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Yeah, it's fascinating.

359
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It's not up to us to determine whether or

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not it is their free act indeed.

361
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I mean, anybody could decide to say that

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or be coerced to say that.

363
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Right.

364
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Yeah.

365
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The ID matches.

366
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Right.

367
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It smells good.

368
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We have occasionally refused a situation

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where it felt clear to us that the person

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who was being asked to sign

371
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was accompanied by someone who it seemed

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was coercing that

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person to do the signing,

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and that they didn't

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understand what they were doing there.

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I think that's only

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happened twice that I've seen.

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And there's been no argument about it

379
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when that's happened.

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We've just said here's some other places

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you can go to get that interest.

382
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Interesting.

383
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First indication was

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the knife in the back?

385
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It might have been it.

386
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I think it was, yeah, well, I shouldn't

387
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get into the details of it.

388
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No, not really.

389
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But yeah, it didn't feel right to either

390
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of us, and usually we'll check against

391
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each other if there's

392
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anything that's in doubt.

393
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Okay.

394
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Fantastic.

395
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Some things we're working on right now

396
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that you all will all be intimately

397
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familiar with our voter checklist audit.

398
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So, you know, we went through the

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biennial checklist in the way that is

400
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normally done in odd years with the

401
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Secretary of State's office

402
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and you all, as part of the Board of

403
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Civil Authority, have to participate in that.

404
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This second audit that we were asked to

405
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do, I believe, is based on the fact that

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they just started a new

407
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software for our voter checklist.

408
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And I think they're trying to see if that

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voter checklist is working properly.

410
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And as far as I can tell, it is.

411
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We have a Board of Civil Authority of 23

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people right now, which is difficult

413
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because that means I have to get at least

414
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a quarter of a million people.

415
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I'm not in compliance with a
lot of these things.

416
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I'm not in compliance with a lot of these
things. I don't have the time to

417
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participate in all these things.

418
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So if I don't get 12 folks besides

419
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myself, I'm not in compliance.

420
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Really, you want to have more than that

421
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as a guarantee, because when you do

422
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things, somebody

423
00:14:13,633 --> 00:14:15,199
might not show up, right?

424
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Somebody might not be able to show up.

425
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So with the participation we had from you

426
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all and from other members of the Board

427
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of Civil Authority in the end,

428
00:14:32,000 --> 00:14:33,433
we got 16 folks to

429
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participate and myself.

430
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And each of those folks into the 16

431
00:14:37,699 --> 00:14:40,633
provided 16 people that they had audited.

432
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I haven't even checked to see if there's

433
00:14:42,466 --> 00:14:45,666
any overlap in the matter.

434
00:14:45,666 --> 00:14:46,966
It's a random pick, so it

435
00:14:46,966 --> 00:14:48,666
counts as the same kind of audit.

436
00:14:49,233 --> 00:14:51,600
And I did 583 of the folks who are on

437
00:14:51,600 --> 00:14:53,066
Addison 5 to crosscheck.

438
00:14:53,266 --> 00:14:55,266
So when we put all those together, we

439
00:14:55,266 --> 00:14:57,366
were doing about 11 or 12

440
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percent of our voter population.

441
00:15:00,000 --> 00:15:01,433
I only found one error.

442
00:15:01,666 --> 00:15:02,466
As far as I could see,

443
00:15:02,466 --> 00:15:03,433
nobody else found any.

444
00:15:04,399 --> 00:15:06,133
And so I reconciled that with the

445
00:15:06,133 --> 00:15:07,333
Secretary of State's office.

446
00:15:08,100 --> 00:15:10,466
I can't guarantee that there's anyone

447
00:15:10,466 --> 00:15:14,266
that isn't assigned to the right street

448
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and the right district.

449
00:15:17,066 --> 00:15:19,600
However, I feel like I feel pretty

450
00:15:19,600 --> 00:15:21,566
confident with those kind of results that

451
00:15:21,566 --> 00:15:22,199
it's got to be pretty

452
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few and far between.

453
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And if they were, it's something that

454
00:15:25,666 --> 00:15:26,966
would be reconciled at the time of an election.

455
00:15:27,000 --> 00:15:30,333
If they chose to vote in an election that

456
00:15:30,333 --> 00:15:33,333
has a district line involved in the folks

457
00:15:33,333 --> 00:15:35,466
that are being voted for, in that case,

458
00:15:35,933 --> 00:15:37,166
it would be caught very easily.

459
00:15:37,733 --> 00:15:39,533
When they go to vote, we can't pull them

460
00:15:39,533 --> 00:15:41,266
into that election for Addison 5 because,

461
00:15:41,266 --> 00:15:42,233
hey, that street's

462
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supposed to be in Addison 1.

463
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We know that when we go to turn in the

464
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ballot that it will reconcile.

465
00:15:47,766 --> 00:15:49,233
Anyway, thank you all for

466
00:15:49,233 --> 00:15:50,466
participating in that process.

467
00:15:51,133 --> 00:15:52,933
And it made me think a little bit about

468
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the Board of Civil

469
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Authority and what that means.

470
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And I realize we have a

471
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new select board member.

472
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And these are things I don't

473
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think about very much either.

474
00:16:01,066 --> 00:16:02,766
And I thought I'd go back and try to sort

475
00:16:02,766 --> 00:16:04,166
of look at what the definition of the

476
00:16:04,166 --> 00:16:05,433
Board of Civil Authority is.

477
00:16:05,933 --> 00:16:06,366
And what are the

478
00:16:06,366 --> 00:16:07,500
things that we need to do?

479
00:16:08,433 --> 00:16:10,433
I immediately Googled it when I said yes.

480
00:16:11,566 --> 00:16:14,033
But I did some Googling tests too.

481
00:16:14,033 --> 00:16:15,433
I was like, don't you

482
00:16:15,433 --> 00:16:15,966
really have to do these things?

483
00:16:16,033 --> 00:16:19,466
The fact is, when it comes down to it,

484
00:16:19,699 --> 00:16:21,600
the Board of Civil Authority has two

485
00:16:21,600 --> 00:16:23,933
primary roles to oversee elections.

486
00:16:24,000 --> 00:16:25,266
This is part of that.

487
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And to decide tax assessment appeals.

488
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So it isn't, when we're doing things like

489
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that, I think a lot of you will ask,

490
00:16:34,033 --> 00:16:34,833
well, why are we doing this?

491
00:16:35,199 --> 00:16:36,333
What does this mean to me?

492
00:16:36,333 --> 00:16:37,533
Why do I have to participate in this?

493
00:16:38,033 --> 00:16:40,733
And that's including JP's and other folks

494
00:16:40,733 --> 00:16:41,966
that are involved in this process.

495
00:16:42,000 --> 00:16:46,566
But it's not that we're just asking

496
00:16:46,566 --> 00:16:49,433
because I want to distribute the work.

497
00:16:49,433 --> 00:16:50,966
Honestly, it would be much easier for me

498
00:16:50,966 --> 00:16:52,333
to just go do this and to try to

499
00:16:52,333 --> 00:16:53,966
coordinate 23 people to do it.

500
00:16:54,899 --> 00:16:55,766
But I have to.

501
00:16:56,066 --> 00:16:58,066
I mean, that is absolutely required that

502
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that participation happens

503
00:16:59,300 --> 00:17:00,566
to go through this process.

504
00:17:01,033 --> 00:17:02,733
And it is reiterated to me by the

505
00:17:02,733 --> 00:17:03,600
Secretary of State's

506
00:17:03,600 --> 00:17:04,699
office over and over again.

507
00:17:05,066 --> 00:17:06,866
When I turn in that report of everything

508
00:17:06,866 --> 00:17:09,033
that we did, I will have to attach each

509
00:17:09,033 --> 00:17:10,966
of your emails with your names on it

510
00:17:11,033 --> 00:17:13,666
that show the names that you found and

511
00:17:13,666 --> 00:17:14,633
what your results are.

512
00:17:14,833 --> 00:17:16,366
I have to have proof that that happened

513
00:17:16,366 --> 00:17:17,733
and it wasn't just me going in and

514
00:17:17,733 --> 00:17:18,933
saying, yeah, yeah, yeah, checklist,

515
00:17:18,933 --> 00:17:19,766
checklist looks good.

516
00:17:20,566 --> 00:17:22,033
So I do appreciate that help.

517
00:17:22,033 --> 00:17:24,166
And it's the law, I wouldn't be asking.

518
00:17:26,466 --> 00:17:28,966
And that bit about the helping to oversee

519
00:17:28,966 --> 00:17:31,133
elections is, you know, when I'm going to

520
00:17:31,133 --> 00:17:32,766
ask in a few months for

521
00:17:32,766 --> 00:17:33,966
help with the town meeting,

522
00:17:34,000 --> 00:17:37,966
it isn't because I don't want to just

523
00:17:37,966 --> 00:17:40,266
rely on whatever volunteers know the best

524
00:17:40,266 --> 00:17:41,433
and have done this for the longest.

525
00:17:41,699 --> 00:17:43,233
We're all supposed to be there together.

526
00:17:43,766 --> 00:17:45,500
You know, I don't go around and count BCA

527
00:17:45,500 --> 00:17:46,399
participation in

528
00:17:46,399 --> 00:17:47,966
elections or anything like that.

529
00:17:48,199 --> 00:17:50,666
There's no report cards anywhere, but I

530
00:17:50,666 --> 00:17:51,733
theoretically am

531
00:17:51,733 --> 00:17:53,199
supposed to have you all there.

532
00:17:53,566 --> 00:17:55,166
So it is.

533
00:17:55,333 --> 00:17:57,733
Yeah, it's just it can be fun.

534
00:17:57,733 --> 00:17:57,966
And there's free food.

535
00:17:58,033 --> 00:18:00,300
Just saying that if anybody hasn't

536
00:18:00,300 --> 00:18:02,633
participated before, it is actually kind

537
00:18:02,633 --> 00:18:03,633
of a good time at elections.

538
00:18:03,933 --> 00:18:05,899
I think now it's something to consider.

539
00:18:06,166 --> 00:18:07,566
It is. I like doing them.

540
00:18:09,100 --> 00:18:10,699
And the other part, I think tax

541
00:18:10,699 --> 00:18:12,066
assessment appeals, I've only

542
00:18:12,066 --> 00:18:13,566
participated in one of those.

543
00:18:13,566 --> 00:18:15,233
So I really appreciate anybody's help

544
00:18:15,233 --> 00:18:17,199
with those, especially somebody who's had

545
00:18:17,199 --> 00:18:18,266
experience with them.

546
00:18:19,000 --> 00:18:20,733
The other board that you all are part of

547
00:18:20,733 --> 00:18:21,666
is the board of abatement.

548
00:18:22,100 --> 00:18:22,966
We've got several of

549
00:18:22,966 --> 00:18:24,100
those coming up in October.

550
00:18:24,100 --> 00:18:25,666
And thank you to everybody who's agreed

551
00:18:25,666 --> 00:18:25,966
to help out with those.

552
00:18:26,000 --> 00:18:28,233
And I have never done one before.

553
00:18:28,466 --> 00:18:31,500
So I not only are you all legally

554
00:18:31,500 --> 00:18:34,899
supposed to be there, but I really need

555
00:18:34,899 --> 00:18:35,833
you there because I

556
00:18:35,833 --> 00:18:37,300
don't have any experience.

557
00:18:37,300 --> 00:18:38,833
And I can read all the training bits

558
00:18:38,833 --> 00:18:41,366
about this that are out there, but not

559
00:18:41,366 --> 00:18:43,066
having an idea of what we've done in the

560
00:18:43,066 --> 00:18:44,666
past and how we've done it.

561
00:18:45,000 --> 00:18:46,433
I'll be relating. I'll be

562
00:18:46,433 --> 00:18:47,666
meeting all the institution.

563
00:18:48,133 --> 00:18:49,633
So I appreciate that.

564
00:18:49,633 --> 00:18:51,199
And I know it's what's the next task.

565
00:18:52,199 --> 00:18:55,066
I think I didn't bring my calendar with

566
00:18:55,066 --> 00:18:56,366
you, but I'll be sending out a reminder

567
00:18:56,366 --> 00:18:59,100
with all the information from the

568
00:18:59,100 --> 00:19:01,666
appellant's soon at six p.m.

569
00:19:02,033 --> 00:19:03,166
Six p.m. Yeah.

570
00:19:06,933 --> 00:19:08,333
So some things that we're working on

571
00:19:08,333 --> 00:19:10,600
right now, besides that voter checklist

572
00:19:10,600 --> 00:19:13,566
next week, Monday and Tuesday, the town

573
00:19:13,566 --> 00:19:15,899
office will be closed for the annual

574
00:19:15,899 --> 00:19:17,833
Vermont Municipal Clerk and Treasures

575
00:19:17,833 --> 00:19:18,966
Association training.

576
00:19:19,000 --> 00:19:21,766
It's all day training starts Sunday night

577
00:19:21,766 --> 00:19:22,966
and goes through Tuesday.

578
00:19:23,600 --> 00:19:24,699
Melissa and I both go.

579
00:19:26,000 --> 00:19:27,600
You know, there's all kinds of things we

580
00:19:27,600 --> 00:19:29,133
get trained on, everything from dealing

581
00:19:29,133 --> 00:19:31,333
with burial transit permits to how to

582
00:19:31,333 --> 00:19:32,766
take better minutes, one

583
00:19:32,766 --> 00:19:33,733
that I need really badly.

584
00:19:35,466 --> 00:19:36,233
It's a great training.

585
00:19:36,466 --> 00:19:37,666
It's also a networking opportunity.

586
00:19:38,100 --> 00:19:39,566
You know, there's lots of representation

587
00:19:39,566 --> 00:19:41,833
from all over Vermont, mainly clerks,

588
00:19:42,133 --> 00:19:44,966
also treasurers, sometimes listers.

589
00:19:45,033 --> 00:19:46,600
Other folks participate depending on what

590
00:19:46,600 --> 00:19:48,233
the types of training are.

591
00:19:48,733 --> 00:19:50,133
There are sometimes there's tax appeal

592
00:19:50,133 --> 00:19:51,366
training and things like that.

593
00:19:53,133 --> 00:19:54,199
So we're looking forward to that.

594
00:19:54,199 --> 00:19:55,300
And there's no way for us to do it

595
00:19:55,300 --> 00:19:56,199
without closing the office.

596
00:19:56,466 --> 00:19:57,333
So after I said, we're

597
00:19:57,333 --> 00:19:58,833
consistently open all the time.

598
00:19:58,833 --> 00:19:59,933
I lie there is that one time.

599
00:20:00,333 --> 00:20:01,033
And it happens once a

600
00:20:01,033 --> 00:20:02,000
year and we did close.

601
00:20:02,000 --> 00:20:02,533
This is a VLC.

602
00:20:03,000 --> 00:20:04,300
It is not VLC.

603
00:20:04,566 --> 00:20:05,833
No, it's an association.

604
00:20:06,133 --> 00:20:07,033
The Vermont Municipal Clerk

605
00:20:07,033 --> 00:20:07,966
and Treasures Association.

606
00:20:08,366 --> 00:20:10,266
And that is all that they do is stuff for

607
00:20:10,266 --> 00:20:11,133
clerks and treasures.

608
00:20:14,033 --> 00:20:16,366
And then as sort of a long range plan

609
00:20:16,366 --> 00:20:21,633
upon the urging of Emily, we are working

610
00:20:21,633 --> 00:20:26,466
on a long term project to get our 2,214

611
00:20:26,466 --> 00:20:32,366
maps scanned onto a digital system and

612
00:20:32,366 --> 00:20:36,333
attached to our real estate

613
00:20:36,333 --> 00:20:38,466
land record research system.

614
00:20:38,833 --> 00:20:39,033
Wow.

615
00:20:39,233 --> 00:20:40,833
We are not doing that work ourselves.

616
00:20:41,333 --> 00:20:41,533
Yeah.

617
00:20:42,033 --> 00:20:44,000
We have, I don't know if you all know how

618
00:20:44,000 --> 00:20:46,500
money works in the town clerk's office,

619
00:20:46,833 --> 00:20:48,966
but we have our own reserve fund.

620
00:20:50,166 --> 00:20:51,666
Every time somebody records something

621
00:20:51,666 --> 00:20:54,133
with us, $11 of that

622
00:20:54,133 --> 00:20:56,933
reporting, it's $15 per page.

623
00:20:56,933 --> 00:20:59,000
$11 of that goes to town clerk fees,

624
00:20:59,000 --> 00:21:00,433
which are used for regular operational

625
00:21:00,433 --> 00:21:02,766
expenses and in the hopes that we'll like

626
00:21:02,766 --> 00:21:04,566
with all of our other fees will help to

627
00:21:04,566 --> 00:21:06,366
offset taxpayer dollars.

628
00:21:07,500 --> 00:21:10,333
The other $4 has to be retained in a

629
00:21:10,333 --> 00:21:12,033
technology and restoration fund.

630
00:21:12,033 --> 00:21:13,466
And this is the case for all term town

631
00:21:13,466 --> 00:21:14,433
clerks throughout Vermont.

632
00:21:15,100 --> 00:21:17,033
And so that's been retained for a really

633
00:21:17,033 --> 00:21:18,833
long time with very little spending so

634
00:21:18,833 --> 00:21:20,966
much that we have $200,000 in it.

635
00:21:20,966 --> 00:21:22,399
Oh, voila.

636
00:21:22,633 --> 00:21:23,533
Don't get too excited.

637
00:21:23,866 --> 00:21:25,666
It can only be used for really specific

638
00:21:25,666 --> 00:21:27,233
things in town clerk houses.

639
00:21:27,566 --> 00:21:30,000
Like if we had to replace the vault, you

640
00:21:30,000 --> 00:21:31,833
have to retain that reserve because

641
00:21:31,833 --> 00:21:32,566
sometimes big

642
00:21:32,566 --> 00:21:33,966
expenditures come down the line.

643
00:21:34,033 --> 00:21:35,933
Would it be used to help resolve your

644
00:21:35,933 --> 00:21:38,366
storage problem and the humidity problem

645
00:21:38,366 --> 00:21:39,666
downstairs and the records?

646
00:21:40,166 --> 00:21:40,366
Possibly.

647
00:21:40,866 --> 00:21:41,066
Yeah.

648
00:21:41,666 --> 00:21:43,133
We're going to, we're going to wait.

649
00:21:43,433 --> 00:21:44,266
We got the, I think we got

650
00:21:44,266 --> 00:21:45,366
the humidity problem fixed.

651
00:21:45,600 --> 00:21:47,533
Levi went down and rigged up the

652
00:21:47,533 --> 00:21:48,866
dehumidifier in a way so

653
00:21:48,866 --> 00:21:50,066
that it constantly drains.

654
00:21:50,833 --> 00:21:51,033
Yeah.

655
00:21:51,266 --> 00:21:52,966
So I think that's going to help us a lot.

656
00:21:54,166 --> 00:21:56,866
So we're going to use that to

657
00:21:56,866 --> 00:21:58,966
spend money with COT systems.

658
00:21:59,033 --> 00:22:01,699
It's $25,000 to have all

659
00:22:01,699 --> 00:22:03,433
of those records scanned in.

660
00:22:03,433 --> 00:22:05,033
And then the scanning is the easy part.

661
00:22:05,033 --> 00:22:08,300
The hard part is attaching them to all of

662
00:22:08,300 --> 00:22:11,533
the land records that would involve the

663
00:22:11,533 --> 00:22:12,833
maps that are in the system.

664
00:22:12,833 --> 00:22:13,833
There's a lot of maps and

665
00:22:13,833 --> 00:22:15,466
they go back to the 1700s.

666
00:22:15,466 --> 00:22:18,800
So is there a state recommendation for

667
00:22:18,800 --> 00:22:22,366
land record digital management?

668
00:22:23,166 --> 00:22:24,866
I think, you know, there's a number of

669
00:22:24,866 --> 00:22:26,233
folks they would recommend.

670
00:22:26,233 --> 00:22:27,033
Are you talking about

671
00:22:27,033 --> 00:22:27,966
for, for the platform,

672
00:22:28,000 --> 00:22:29,033
for the software platform?

673
00:22:29,366 --> 00:22:32,433
Remember the, I think the most, the most

674
00:22:32,433 --> 00:22:33,866
commonly used one for land

675
00:22:33,866 --> 00:22:35,533
records is COTS that we use.

676
00:22:35,833 --> 00:22:38,133
And right now we've just signed a length

677
00:22:38,133 --> 00:22:39,333
a few months ago, a five

678
00:22:39,333 --> 00:22:40,733
year contract with COTS.

679
00:22:41,433 --> 00:22:42,133
So I really want it to

680
00:22:42,133 --> 00:22:43,066
fit in with what we've got.

681
00:22:43,433 --> 00:22:44,033
Yeah, let's do that.

682
00:22:44,433 --> 00:22:44,733
For sure.

683
00:22:45,166 --> 00:22:46,733
Now I don't know how fast they're going

684
00:22:46,733 --> 00:22:47,699
to be able to do the project.

685
00:22:47,699 --> 00:22:50,033
If it starts to hold too close into next

686
00:22:50,033 --> 00:22:51,199
year, which is an even year,

687
00:22:51,199 --> 00:22:52,366
which means an election year,

688
00:22:52,366 --> 00:22:54,366
then we'll probably delay it until after

689
00:22:54,366 --> 00:22:54,966
the general election.

690
00:22:55,033 --> 00:22:56,733
Cause we don't have to deal with that at

691
00:22:56,733 --> 00:22:57,966
the same time, you know, you disruptive.

692
00:22:58,300 --> 00:22:58,500
Really?

693
00:22:58,899 --> 00:23:00,899
You have to read the deeds to see where a

694
00:23:00,899 --> 00:23:02,933
deed references a slide number.

695
00:23:02,933 --> 00:23:04,800
It means involvement

696
00:23:04,800 --> 00:23:05,766
reading all the deeds.

697
00:23:06,533 --> 00:23:08,133
It won't be as hard as that.

698
00:23:08,133 --> 00:23:10,033
We have a map index right now and they'll

699
00:23:10,033 --> 00:23:12,066
take our Excel spreadsheet of map index

700
00:23:12,066 --> 00:23:14,133
information and help to log it that way.

701
00:23:14,466 --> 00:23:16,199
So right now when you read a deed, you're

702
00:23:16,199 --> 00:23:17,199
not usually seeing a

703
00:23:17,199 --> 00:23:18,666
slide number, you know, it'll,

704
00:23:18,766 --> 00:23:19,933
it'll say it's referenced

705
00:23:19,933 --> 00:23:21,433
as map number, whatever.

706
00:23:21,833 --> 00:23:23,133
And then you usually have to

707
00:23:23,133 --> 00:23:23,966
rely on, unless you're you,

708
00:23:24,000 --> 00:23:26,533
you'd have to rely on one of us to go

709
00:23:26,533 --> 00:23:28,033
find you what that map is.

710
00:23:28,033 --> 00:23:30,033
And it's going to be right now.

711
00:23:30,533 --> 00:23:33,633
But, um, so that's a big project and kind

712
00:23:33,633 --> 00:23:34,766
of down the road a little bit.

713
00:23:34,766 --> 00:23:34,966
Yeah.

714
00:23:35,066 --> 00:23:36,866
So you mentioned that like an even year

715
00:23:36,866 --> 00:23:37,833
means that there's

716
00:23:37,833 --> 00:23:38,899
less time for projects.

717
00:23:39,233 --> 00:23:39,466
Right.

718
00:23:39,800 --> 00:23:43,866
So how I get that elections are time

719
00:23:43,866 --> 00:23:46,133
consuming, but that still surprises me

720
00:23:46,133 --> 00:23:48,966
that having a primary in the summer,

721
00:23:49,000 --> 00:23:52,433
general election in the fall is a major

722
00:23:52,433 --> 00:23:54,166
driver of your time for you.

723
00:23:54,433 --> 00:23:54,633
Yeah.

724
00:23:54,733 --> 00:23:56,866
And a town meeting and every year.

725
00:23:56,866 --> 00:23:57,166
Yeah.

726
00:23:57,833 --> 00:23:59,666
And sometimes a couple of unexpected.

727
00:23:59,666 --> 00:24:01,666
No, some of the public's up here.

728
00:24:01,666 --> 00:24:02,199
Community issue.

729
00:24:02,199 --> 00:24:02,899
I don't know.

730
00:24:02,899 --> 00:24:03,666
It is.

731
00:24:03,866 --> 00:24:04,933
I cannot express you.

732
00:24:04,933 --> 00:24:06,333
I think I was trying to tell Brian

733
00:24:06,333 --> 00:24:10,066
earlier, yeah, how different it is in a

734
00:24:10,066 --> 00:24:11,066
non-election compared

735
00:24:11,066 --> 00:24:11,933
to an election year.

736
00:24:11,933 --> 00:24:12,866
Now, having been through

737
00:24:12,866 --> 00:24:14,533
that, it is night and day.

738
00:24:15,333 --> 00:24:17,966
It, you know, suddenly we need 24 people

739
00:24:17,966 --> 00:24:20,899
to do the day's work and we only needed

740
00:24:20,899 --> 00:24:22,833
two of us or one and a half inch of us.

741
00:24:22,833 --> 00:24:24,866
It's a really slow day just to get by.

742
00:24:25,366 --> 00:24:26,966
It's yeah, it's night and day and the

743
00:24:26,966 --> 00:24:28,466
process starts three to

744
00:24:28,466 --> 00:24:29,500
four months beforehand.

745
00:24:30,233 --> 00:24:32,333
I mean, it starts with because Vermont

746
00:24:32,333 --> 00:24:34,933
does such open absentee balloting and

747
00:24:34,933 --> 00:24:36,233
it's available so early.

748
00:24:36,233 --> 00:24:37,933
You know, even before there's absentee

749
00:24:37,933 --> 00:24:38,899
balloting, there's

750
00:24:38,899 --> 00:24:40,100
the creating the ballot.

751
00:24:40,100 --> 00:24:42,033
There's folks getting petitions, folks

752
00:24:42,033 --> 00:24:43,966
asking for petitions, caucusing.

753
00:24:44,000 --> 00:24:45,899
All these things are happening months and

754
00:24:45,899 --> 00:24:46,933
months and months in advance.

755
00:24:47,533 --> 00:24:48,666
And there's new training on how the

756
00:24:48,666 --> 00:24:49,666
elections have to be

757
00:24:49,666 --> 00:24:50,866
performed every year.

758
00:24:51,133 --> 00:24:52,600
Every year, there's software updates.

759
00:24:53,033 --> 00:24:54,566
Every year, there's changes in procedure.

760
00:24:55,433 --> 00:24:57,433
And right now, it's a little up in the

761
00:24:57,433 --> 00:24:58,433
air how our elections

762
00:24:58,433 --> 00:24:59,199
are going to be run.

763
00:25:00,266 --> 00:25:02,166
But on the standpoint, we're upholding

764
00:25:02,166 --> 00:25:05,833
steady and we are expected as a state to

765
00:25:05,833 --> 00:25:08,666
continue to maintain our practices as is

766
00:25:08,666 --> 00:25:10,533
our sovereign right at this point.

767
00:25:11,133 --> 00:25:11,966
But who knows?

768
00:25:13,000 --> 00:25:14,433
Anything's possible.

769
00:25:14,833 --> 00:25:15,466
Anything's possible.

770
00:25:16,633 --> 00:25:19,000
But yeah, it makes a huge difference.

771
00:25:19,500 --> 00:25:21,233
It's unbelievable how much.

772
00:25:21,233 --> 00:25:22,600
And I think what I was saying to Ryan

773
00:25:22,600 --> 00:25:23,933
earlier is sometimes I have to do a

774
00:25:23,933 --> 00:25:27,000
little marketing in the odd years just to

775
00:25:27,000 --> 00:25:29,766
kind of want to be as useful as possible.

776
00:25:29,766 --> 00:25:30,933
And I like to be very busy.

777
00:25:30,933 --> 00:25:32,399
I know Melissa feels that way too.

778
00:25:33,133 --> 00:25:35,333
And so this year for a little while, we

779
00:25:35,333 --> 00:25:36,433
decided to market Green

780
00:25:36,433 --> 00:25:37,933
Mountain passes outside.

781
00:25:37,933 --> 00:25:39,066
I don't know if you can start sandwich

782
00:25:39,066 --> 00:25:39,966
for there, but that's work.

783
00:25:40,199 --> 00:25:42,166
We've kind of kept track of how many

784
00:25:42,166 --> 00:25:44,933
folks we got in asking about those since

785
00:25:44,933 --> 00:25:46,266
the beginning of the season and since

786
00:25:46,266 --> 00:25:47,133
Memorial Day weekend.

787
00:25:47,133 --> 00:25:48,233
Now we've gotten just

788
00:25:48,233 --> 00:25:50,566
over 300 people inquiring.

789
00:25:51,033 --> 00:25:52,699
That doesn't mean we've sold that many.

790
00:25:52,699 --> 00:25:54,033
We've sold probably 200.

791
00:25:54,033 --> 00:25:55,199
I should have run the numbers for it.

792
00:25:55,600 --> 00:25:57,166
But you get folks from neighboring towns

793
00:25:57,166 --> 00:25:59,366
inquiring and we can't issue them, but

794
00:25:59,366 --> 00:26:00,366
their town clerks can.

795
00:26:00,866 --> 00:26:02,133
We spread the word for

796
00:26:02,133 --> 00:26:03,566
Green Mountain Pass this year.

797
00:26:04,000 --> 00:26:05,333
We did a little promotion for dog

798
00:26:05,333 --> 00:26:06,600
licenses in the spring.

799
00:26:06,600 --> 00:26:06,966
That was fun.

800
00:26:07,199 --> 00:26:10,466
And I think we're going to

801
00:26:10,466 --> 00:26:13,633
do next Monday, I think is.

802
00:26:13,633 --> 00:26:14,600
I don't know where to rent.

803
00:26:15,666 --> 00:26:17,500
What is it?

804
00:26:18,133 --> 00:26:21,000
It's a registered dog date.

805
00:26:22,833 --> 00:26:25,633
I didn't tell on it.

806
00:26:25,633 --> 00:26:25,933
Is it?

807
00:26:25,933 --> 00:26:27,000
No, that's what that means.

808
00:26:27,266 --> 00:26:29,333
No, she's allowed to do.

809
00:26:30,166 --> 00:26:30,966
I won't.

810
00:26:31,033 --> 00:26:34,066
But theoretically in Vermont, most town

811
00:26:34,066 --> 00:26:35,966
clerks can ask for a dog

812
00:26:35,966 --> 00:26:41,000
to be humanely disposed of.

813
00:26:41,366 --> 00:26:42,433
They're not registered.

814
00:26:42,699 --> 00:26:42,899
Yeah.

815
00:26:43,233 --> 00:26:43,433
Yeah.

816
00:26:43,800 --> 00:26:44,966
I'm just putting that out there.

817
00:26:45,533 --> 00:26:46,133
Don't look at me.

818
00:26:46,133 --> 00:26:46,866
I'm not doing it.

819
00:26:47,266 --> 00:26:47,533
It's fine.

820
00:26:48,633 --> 00:26:49,199
For the summer.

821
00:26:50,000 --> 00:26:51,666
I can't believe that's

822
00:26:51,666 --> 00:26:53,033
still on the books, but it is.

823
00:26:53,033 --> 00:26:53,966
Yeah, that's amazing.

824
00:26:54,266 --> 00:26:55,366
Like a three strikes your act

825
00:26:55,366 --> 00:26:57,633
or like it is my discretion.

826
00:26:58,000 --> 00:26:59,633
I can just come over and

827
00:26:59,633 --> 00:27:00,766
say, Hey, not registered.

828
00:27:01,100 --> 00:27:01,300
Sorry.

829
00:27:02,000 --> 00:27:04,733
You know, it's horrible.

830
00:27:05,766 --> 00:27:07,666
I don't have a dog.

831
00:27:08,333 --> 00:27:10,933
I can say right here, I will never do it.

832
00:27:11,233 --> 00:27:12,733
You'll have to, someone will have to

833
00:27:12,733 --> 00:27:13,766
remove me from office.

834
00:27:13,766 --> 00:27:14,833
If you can ask me to do that.

835
00:27:15,500 --> 00:27:16,633
That's the law.

836
00:27:18,966 --> 00:27:21,466
And we are planning on doing a voter

837
00:27:21,466 --> 00:27:23,733
registration drive later this fall.

838
00:27:24,300 --> 00:27:26,066
Unfortunately next week, I think it's

839
00:27:26,066 --> 00:27:27,633
Monday or Tuesday is

840
00:27:27,633 --> 00:27:30,100
national voter registration day.

841
00:27:30,100 --> 00:27:31,166
And we're going to be at that conference.

842
00:27:31,933 --> 00:27:34,033
So I'm hoping to do probably something

843
00:27:34,033 --> 00:27:36,000
collaborative with Renee library.

844
00:27:36,266 --> 00:27:37,366
They had done one last year.

845
00:27:37,366 --> 00:27:38,199
I think we'd like to be

846
00:27:38,199 --> 00:27:39,066
able to do it all together.

847
00:27:39,399 --> 00:27:41,166
And even if we can get our computers out

848
00:27:41,166 --> 00:27:43,966
there and do it live with the system, if

849
00:27:43,966 --> 00:27:45,533
our internet doesn't fail us,

850
00:27:45,533 --> 00:27:46,666
we'd like to do it that way.

851
00:27:47,033 --> 00:27:49,133
Do you work at the schools

852
00:27:49,133 --> 00:27:51,233
to identify 18 year olds?

853
00:27:51,933 --> 00:27:52,600
Butting voters.

854
00:27:53,100 --> 00:27:54,466
The schools actually do

855
00:27:54,466 --> 00:27:55,566
their own membership drives.

856
00:27:55,933 --> 00:27:56,133
Yeah.

857
00:27:56,333 --> 00:27:57,166
They're really good at that.

858
00:27:57,166 --> 00:27:58,899
And we get a whole flood of them in

859
00:27:58,899 --> 00:28:01,133
general election years that involve

860
00:28:01,133 --> 00:28:02,766
presidential elections.

861
00:28:03,633 --> 00:28:05,066
In fact, right now we have.

862
00:28:06,133 --> 00:28:10,933
We have 65 voters who have not taken

863
00:28:10,933 --> 00:28:12,933
their oath, which means that they were

864
00:28:12,933 --> 00:28:14,933
registered before they were 18.

865
00:28:15,333 --> 00:28:15,533
Yeah.

866
00:28:15,899 --> 00:28:16,399
Folks that are.

867
00:28:17,000 --> 00:28:18,433
Folks can register if they're going to be

868
00:28:18,433 --> 00:28:19,800
18 by the next general election.

869
00:28:21,533 --> 00:28:23,366
And we have five that are actually under

870
00:28:23,366 --> 00:28:24,800
18 years, which is pretty good because

871
00:28:24,800 --> 00:28:26,833
that means they just got registered and

872
00:28:26,833 --> 00:28:27,633
there's no real

873
00:28:27,633 --> 00:28:29,100
nothing to vote in right now.

874
00:28:29,566 --> 00:28:30,266
So it's nice to know

875
00:28:30,266 --> 00:28:30,833
that they're interested.

876
00:28:31,366 --> 00:28:32,899
Another way that that happens is it comes

877
00:28:32,899 --> 00:28:34,833
automatically through the Vermont Motor

878
00:28:34,833 --> 00:28:37,133
Voter Law when they go to the DMV, unless

879
00:28:37,133 --> 00:28:38,066
they check off that they

880
00:28:38,066 --> 00:28:39,899
don't want to be voters.

881
00:28:40,866 --> 00:28:42,333
Then we get that information as well.

882
00:28:42,533 --> 00:28:43,733
Do they have to come in and do an oath?

883
00:28:43,966 --> 00:28:45,233
Yes, they will have to do an oath.

884
00:28:45,733 --> 00:28:47,300
And that happens when they vote.

885
00:28:47,833 --> 00:28:47,966
Yeah.

886
00:28:48,199 --> 00:28:50,933
So, you know, they they'll end up, you

887
00:28:50,933 --> 00:28:51,266
know, they're not

888
00:28:51,266 --> 00:28:52,166
going to vote for a while.

889
00:28:52,166 --> 00:28:53,633
But the first time they vote, they have

890
00:28:53,633 --> 00:28:54,766
the opportunity to do that.

891
00:28:54,766 --> 00:28:56,733
And they can do that online if they want

892
00:28:56,733 --> 00:28:57,699
to do it that way or they

893
00:28:57,699 --> 00:28:58,933
can do it right in front of us.

894
00:28:58,933 --> 00:28:59,600
They can come to the town

895
00:28:59,600 --> 00:29:00,833
office or on Election Day.

896
00:29:01,399 --> 00:29:03,433
I think about before

897
00:29:03,433 --> 00:29:04,733
we did it through DMV.

898
00:29:05,766 --> 00:29:08,366
And now with the DMV, I was thinking,

899
00:29:08,366 --> 00:29:09,300
well, geez, everybody's

900
00:29:09,300 --> 00:29:10,500
going to get it right at 18.

901
00:29:10,500 --> 00:29:11,466
But a lot of kids don't

902
00:29:11,466 --> 00:29:12,466
get their license ready.

903
00:29:12,966 --> 00:29:13,166
Yeah.

904
00:29:14,033 --> 00:29:17,166
Can they vote in local

905
00:29:17,166 --> 00:29:18,566
elections before they?

906
00:29:18,899 --> 00:29:20,433
Not in Middlebury. No.

907
00:29:20,533 --> 00:29:21,766
I think there are some towns. Is it

908
00:29:21,766 --> 00:29:24,066
Burlington or Winooski that allows minors

909
00:29:24,066 --> 00:29:25,433
to vote in some local elections?

910
00:29:25,933 --> 00:29:26,466
I can't recall.

911
00:29:26,866 --> 00:29:27,866
There are a couple of

912
00:29:27,866 --> 00:29:28,866
towns, but not in Middlebury.

913
00:29:29,199 --> 00:29:30,466
They have to actually be 18.

914
00:29:30,666 --> 00:29:31,633
They have to be 18.

915
00:29:32,366 --> 00:29:33,766
Don't they own non-residents too?

916
00:29:34,266 --> 00:29:35,666
Not in Middlebury. Yes.

917
00:29:35,933 --> 00:29:36,133
Sometimes.

918
00:29:36,466 --> 00:29:37,199
In some towns.

919
00:29:37,699 --> 00:29:38,933
I think that might have been in Winooski.

920
00:29:40,000 --> 00:29:41,333
That would not require a charter change

921
00:29:41,333 --> 00:29:42,966
and our committee is not taking that up.

922
00:29:43,000 --> 00:29:45,633
And don't quote me on

923
00:29:45,633 --> 00:29:46,666
the Burlington or Winooski.

924
00:29:46,866 --> 00:29:48,800
I think I remember that, but I'm maybe

925
00:29:48,800 --> 00:29:50,133
thinking of the non-resident thing.

926
00:29:52,266 --> 00:29:53,933
But I know that's come up before.

927
00:29:53,933 --> 00:29:55,333
And I think in other states, certainly

928
00:29:55,333 --> 00:29:57,233
they do allow minors to

929
00:29:57,233 --> 00:29:58,199
vote in some elections.

930
00:30:04,000 --> 00:30:04,866
Questions?

931
00:30:06,166 --> 00:30:06,766
Anything else?

932
00:30:07,666 --> 00:30:09,233
I've been talking for 20 minutes.

933
00:30:09,466 --> 00:30:10,933
I think probably I'm not

934
00:30:10,933 --> 00:30:11,966
going to torture you anymore.

935
00:30:12,000 --> 00:30:13,633
Oh, this is a great idea.

936
00:30:13,633 --> 00:30:13,833
It's awesome.

937
00:30:14,500 --> 00:30:15,466
It's so good.

938
00:30:15,866 --> 00:30:16,733
Thank you.

939
00:30:16,733 --> 00:30:17,733
You said you had some

940
00:30:17,733 --> 00:30:21,166
numbers on voters and turnout.

941
00:30:22,333 --> 00:30:24,566
Tell us your numbers.

942
00:30:25,066 --> 00:30:27,866
What I have here is just what we have in

943
00:30:27,866 --> 00:30:29,266
the voter registration system now.

944
00:30:29,266 --> 00:30:30,633
It's not voter turnout or anything.

945
00:30:31,066 --> 00:30:32,366
Right now we have just

946
00:30:32,366 --> 00:30:34,233
about 6,000 registered voters.

947
00:30:34,866 --> 00:30:37,300
Of those, 5,100 something are

948
00:30:37,300 --> 00:30:38,966
verified, 745 are challenged.

949
00:30:39,033 --> 00:30:41,833
It's very similar numbers to what we had

950
00:30:41,833 --> 00:30:43,833
when we did the initial audit.

951
00:30:44,633 --> 00:30:46,800
And we have 16 of them whose driver's

952
00:30:46,800 --> 00:30:47,699
license or personal

953
00:30:47,699 --> 00:30:49,066
ID is not yet verified.

954
00:30:49,600 --> 00:30:51,433
That's usually happening when somebody

955
00:30:51,433 --> 00:30:54,633
has done an online membership.

956
00:30:54,966 --> 00:30:56,066
I'm sorry, an online membership.

957
00:30:56,466 --> 00:30:58,100
I'm getting a little kill.

958
00:30:58,100 --> 00:30:58,466
I'll be there.

959
00:30:58,866 --> 00:31:00,666
Somebody has done an online voter

960
00:31:00,666 --> 00:31:02,133
registration and they

961
00:31:02,133 --> 00:31:03,466
upload their form of ID.

962
00:31:03,699 --> 00:31:05,300
And then it still has to go through the

963
00:31:05,300 --> 00:31:07,066
DMV or the Social Security

964
00:31:07,066 --> 00:31:07,966
Administration to be verified.

965
00:31:08,166 --> 00:31:10,699
So they'll pop up there.

966
00:31:10,966 --> 00:31:12,433
But if they come in to vote and they're

967
00:31:12,433 --> 00:31:15,100
not yet verified, then we're there asking

968
00:31:15,100 --> 00:31:16,266
to see their identification.

969
00:31:16,966 --> 00:31:18,033
And so when somebody has a voter

970
00:31:18,033 --> 00:31:19,500
checklist in front of them, if you've

971
00:31:19,500 --> 00:31:21,966
ever worked at the elections before, it's

972
00:31:21,966 --> 00:31:23,866
a checklist that has a whole people's

973
00:31:23,866 --> 00:31:25,066
names and a whole lot of columns.

974
00:31:25,366 --> 00:31:28,066
And some may say C for challenge, which

975
00:31:28,066 --> 00:31:29,766
means they need to come to us and see.

976
00:31:30,100 --> 00:31:32,033
So why are you still legal to vote?

977
00:31:32,266 --> 00:31:33,366
Are you who you are?

978
00:31:33,366 --> 00:31:34,100
And do you have any proof

979
00:31:34,100 --> 00:31:34,966
that you live where you do?

980
00:31:35,633 --> 00:31:36,966
And that's usually not a question at all.

981
00:31:37,033 --> 00:31:39,266
It's just that they something was wrong

982
00:31:39,266 --> 00:31:40,733
with their address or they didn't respond

983
00:31:40,733 --> 00:31:42,000
or had moved for a little while.

984
00:31:42,366 --> 00:31:44,433
Or it will say, oh, it means they need an

985
00:31:44,433 --> 00:31:45,966
oath so they can come over to us and do

986
00:31:45,966 --> 00:31:46,933
their oath really quickly.

987
00:31:47,166 --> 00:31:48,833
Or it will say something like their

988
00:31:48,833 --> 00:31:51,500
Social Security number is not verified.

989
00:31:51,800 --> 00:31:53,833
And so we need to do something that says

990
00:31:53,833 --> 00:31:54,933
that they are who they are.

991
00:31:54,933 --> 00:31:55,600
It doesn't have to be

992
00:31:55,600 --> 00:31:56,500
the Social Security number.

993
00:31:56,866 --> 00:31:57,666
They just have to show

994
00:31:57,666 --> 00:31:58,533
us that they're them.

995
00:32:00,333 --> 00:32:02,866
I think you're asking where the DMV seem

996
00:32:02,866 --> 00:32:04,733
to talk to each other on tickets.

997
00:32:04,733 --> 00:32:05,800
Do they talk to each other?

998
00:32:06,000 --> 00:32:08,033
Let's say I move to

999
00:32:08,033 --> 00:32:11,600
Massachusetts and get a mass license.

1000
00:32:12,600 --> 00:32:15,266
Does it then feed back through to you or

1001
00:32:15,266 --> 00:32:17,199
pull us off from the voter roll?

1002
00:32:17,566 --> 00:32:18,266
I think so.

1003
00:32:18,766 --> 00:32:19,666
We regularly it's

1004
00:32:19,666 --> 00:32:21,566
certainly through our voter system.

1005
00:32:22,066 --> 00:32:23,166
If somebody registers.

1006
00:32:23,500 --> 00:32:24,866
So I don't know if we're involving the

1007
00:32:24,866 --> 00:32:28,100
DMV specifically, but different states,

1008
00:32:28,100 --> 00:32:30,366
we all have different voter systems.

1009
00:32:30,766 --> 00:32:32,633
And that might sound like a bad idea

1010
00:32:32,633 --> 00:32:33,199
because they don't all

1011
00:32:33,199 --> 00:32:34,266
work exactly the same way.

1012
00:32:34,266 --> 00:32:34,966
But it's actually a very good idea.

1013
00:32:35,000 --> 00:32:38,000
If you think about the potential for a

1014
00:32:38,000 --> 00:32:39,533
voter system being packed, you really

1015
00:32:39,533 --> 00:32:41,100
want that division between the states.

1016
00:32:42,766 --> 00:32:44,366
So if somebody goes and registers in

1017
00:32:44,366 --> 00:32:48,666
Massachusetts, Massachusetts lets us know

1018
00:32:48,666 --> 00:32:51,100
that that person is registered in

1019
00:32:51,100 --> 00:32:52,300
Massachusetts and we then

1020
00:32:52,300 --> 00:32:53,566
take them off the voter rolls.

1021
00:32:54,066 --> 00:32:55,966
So there is a two way conversation.

1022
00:32:55,966 --> 00:32:57,066
There is a two way conversation.

1023
00:32:57,366 --> 00:32:58,566
It's faster between

1024
00:32:58,566 --> 00:32:59,766
some states than others.

1025
00:33:00,233 --> 00:33:02,133
Could somebody move along and really

1026
00:33:02,133 --> 00:33:04,533
rapidly go to New Jersey and vote and

1027
00:33:04,533 --> 00:33:06,366
Massachusetts and vote and Vermont and

1028
00:33:06,366 --> 00:33:07,133
vote like a bunch of

1029
00:33:07,133 --> 00:33:08,233
different places at once?

1030
00:33:08,233 --> 00:33:09,166
You could try.

1031
00:33:09,500 --> 00:33:11,333
You've also got to have the right ID for

1032
00:33:11,333 --> 00:33:12,233
all of those states.

1033
00:33:12,233 --> 00:33:13,466
You got to be on their voter checklist.

1034
00:33:13,733 --> 00:33:14,966
Like it's pretty hard to

1035
00:33:14,966 --> 00:33:16,433
coordinate it, but it's possible.

1036
00:33:16,433 --> 00:33:17,033
You create a felony

1037
00:33:17,033 --> 00:33:17,933
for a couple of votes.

1038
00:33:18,166 --> 00:33:18,600
There's that.

1039
00:33:19,133 --> 00:33:19,333
Yes.

1040
00:33:19,699 --> 00:33:21,466
I mean, it's quite a risk and it's you

1041
00:33:21,466 --> 00:33:23,666
could get away with probably get away

1042
00:33:23,666 --> 00:33:25,133
with it in two states, I bet.

1043
00:33:25,600 --> 00:33:25,800
Yeah.

1044
00:33:26,000 --> 00:33:27,133
So you can't register without registering

1045
00:33:27,133 --> 00:33:29,800
as a new voter in two places that don't

1046
00:33:29,800 --> 00:33:32,233
require that you have really tough forms

1047
00:33:32,233 --> 00:33:33,266
of ID as a new voter.

1048
00:33:33,866 --> 00:33:34,566
It'll be it'll be

1049
00:33:34,566 --> 00:33:36,466
hard to load up the bus.

1050
00:33:36,933 --> 00:33:37,133
Cheers.

1051
00:33:38,066 --> 00:33:38,933
That's interesting.

1052
00:33:39,266 --> 00:33:39,833
OK, thanks.

1053
00:33:41,366 --> 00:33:41,800
Thank you.

1054
00:33:42,366 --> 00:33:42,733
Thank you.

1055
00:33:43,133 --> 00:33:43,466
Thanks so much.

1056
00:33:44,233 --> 00:33:45,699
Thank you for all your help with

1057
00:33:45,699 --> 00:33:47,033
everything and for making it

1058
00:33:47,033 --> 00:33:48,533
through that horrific audit.

1059
00:33:49,433 --> 00:33:49,966
That's fine.

1060
00:33:51,000 --> 00:33:51,199
Right.

1061
00:33:51,433 --> 00:33:53,133
That's kind of what you know.

1062
00:33:53,133 --> 00:33:53,333
That's.

1063
00:33:54,899 --> 00:33:55,433
Thanks for the.

1064
00:33:55,766 --> 00:33:56,233
Sure.

1065
00:33:58,666 --> 00:33:59,833
I really only complain about

1066
00:33:59,833 --> 00:34:01,533
the mapping four or five times.

1067
00:34:02,066 --> 00:34:02,266
Yeah.

1068
00:34:03,733 --> 00:34:05,766
So I am here.

1069
00:34:05,766 --> 00:34:08,866
The town purchased 83 court street, as

1070
00:34:08,866 --> 00:34:12,266
you all know, with the flood

1071
00:34:12,266 --> 00:34:13,633
resistant communities fund.

1072
00:34:14,133 --> 00:34:15,966
And so it's a fully funded project.

1073
00:34:16,000 --> 00:34:17,533
The next step is to

1074
00:34:17,533 --> 00:34:20,633
demolish and stabilize the site.

1075
00:34:20,633 --> 00:34:23,666
It has to be left as green space in

1076
00:34:23,666 --> 00:34:25,433
perpetuity from here out.

1077
00:34:26,333 --> 00:34:28,899
And so I put out an RFQ for

1078
00:34:28,899 --> 00:34:30,300
demolition and stabilization.

1079
00:34:30,733 --> 00:34:34,766
We received four bids, three of them

1080
00:34:34,766 --> 00:34:36,533
relatively close together.

1081
00:34:37,000 --> 00:34:38,333
I know we've worked

1082
00:34:38,333 --> 00:34:40,266
with the second low bid.

1083
00:34:40,766 --> 00:34:41,266
Roger Parker.

1084
00:34:41,266 --> 00:34:42,800
They've done other

1085
00:34:42,800 --> 00:34:44,266
demolitions for the town.

1086
00:34:45,033 --> 00:34:46,899
And then summit

1087
00:34:46,899 --> 00:34:49,500
contracting was the low bid.

1088
00:34:49,800 --> 00:34:51,366
I've never worked with them.

1089
00:34:51,366 --> 00:34:52,633
I think they're out of Windenville.

1090
00:34:54,366 --> 00:34:59,300
And so I didn't know how the select board

1091
00:34:59,300 --> 00:35:01,533
wanted to direct it.

1092
00:35:01,833 --> 00:35:04,466
You know, you often prefer going with a

1093
00:35:04,466 --> 00:35:08,800
low bid or going with a local vendor if

1094
00:35:08,800 --> 00:35:09,966
there's not a big cost difference.

1095
00:35:10,033 --> 00:35:12,866
So I didn't know what sort of

1096
00:35:12,866 --> 00:35:14,000
recommendation you wanted.

1097
00:35:16,533 --> 00:35:18,333
It sounds like you feel more comfortable

1098
00:35:18,333 --> 00:35:19,433
with the person you

1099
00:35:19,433 --> 00:35:20,500
have worked with before.

1100
00:35:21,766 --> 00:35:24,100
I think because we've worked with them

1101
00:35:24,100 --> 00:35:25,733
before, I'm more comfortable, but I've

1102
00:35:25,733 --> 00:35:26,500
never worked with someone.

1103
00:35:27,166 --> 00:35:31,300
Is this the type of project where there's

1104
00:35:31,300 --> 00:35:32,666
a lot of risk involved

1105
00:35:32,666 --> 00:35:33,966
with going with someone new?

1106
00:35:34,000 --> 00:35:38,666
No, our DPW team desperately wants to do

1107
00:35:38,666 --> 00:35:41,133
this job because you demolish a building.

1108
00:35:41,366 --> 00:35:42,466
It's like every kid's.

1109
00:35:45,000 --> 00:35:47,866
And they it has gotten we did testing on

1110
00:35:47,866 --> 00:35:50,433
it prior to the bid.

1111
00:35:50,866 --> 00:35:52,766
And so there's no asbestos or lead or any

1112
00:35:52,766 --> 00:35:54,533
of the complications that sometimes make

1113
00:35:54,533 --> 00:35:55,966
it a little more complex.

1114
00:35:55,966 --> 00:35:59,433
But this one is really a simple one.

1115
00:35:59,433 --> 00:35:59,966
Super fun.

1116
00:36:00,033 --> 00:36:01,733
Why does property flood? Is it covered in

1117
00:36:01,733 --> 00:36:02,566
the root seven too small?

1118
00:36:04,100 --> 00:36:06,733
Yes. Yes. OK, we're going to get fixed.

1119
00:36:06,733 --> 00:36:08,133
It's also because we got a thousand year

1120
00:36:08,133 --> 00:36:09,733
storm. But there's that.

1121
00:36:11,000 --> 00:36:14,300
Is the curb cut going to be removed as

1122
00:36:14,300 --> 00:36:16,033
part of the I didn't see that.

1123
00:36:16,033 --> 00:36:18,666
And then the curb cut is not removed.

1124
00:36:18,666 --> 00:36:19,566
That's a good point, Fred.

1125
00:36:19,566 --> 00:36:20,699
I hadn't thought about that.

1126
00:36:21,000 --> 00:36:23,233
No, it's not removed. I know when Dan was

1127
00:36:23,233 --> 00:36:26,166
here, he elevated the sidewalk through

1128
00:36:26,166 --> 00:36:27,966
this section to try to help.

1129
00:36:28,033 --> 00:36:30,966
This property is flooded a few times to

1130
00:36:30,966 --> 00:36:32,866
try to help mitigate the

1131
00:36:32,866 --> 00:36:34,766
flow coming off of Court Street.

1132
00:36:35,466 --> 00:36:38,100
And so I don't know that that was the

1133
00:36:38,100 --> 00:36:39,933
flow that impacted it, but we can

1134
00:36:39,933 --> 00:36:41,466
definitely look at that.

1135
00:36:41,466 --> 00:36:42,566
Are they going to fix the culvert when

1136
00:36:42,566 --> 00:36:44,466
they do the transits or intersection?

1137
00:36:44,766 --> 00:36:46,133
Yeah, that's the huge part of the

1138
00:36:46,133 --> 00:36:46,666
project. They're

1139
00:36:46,666 --> 00:36:47,966
putting in two new culverts.

1140
00:36:49,233 --> 00:36:50,733
And will it be some kind of regrading or

1141
00:36:50,733 --> 00:36:52,699
planting plan for this?

1142
00:36:53,366 --> 00:36:56,399
It just go it matches existing grade.

1143
00:36:57,000 --> 00:36:58,933
No trees or any. We can

1144
00:36:58,933 --> 00:37:01,033
plant trees later separately.

1145
00:37:01,300 --> 00:37:03,300
Yep. Not as part of this.

1146
00:37:03,833 --> 00:37:06,100
No class. No what?

1147
00:37:07,300 --> 00:37:11,033
The tree jokes. So I see

1148
00:37:11,033 --> 00:37:12,933
that some it actually came.

1149
00:37:13,466 --> 00:37:16,899
I do just because so some it's a federal

1150
00:37:16,899 --> 00:37:17,733
and state contractor.

1151
00:37:18,000 --> 00:37:21,866
We do a lot of work. We do about 10 to 15

1152
00:37:21,866 --> 00:37:22,333
percent of the

1153
00:37:22,333 --> 00:37:24,566
municipality work every year.

1154
00:37:26,000 --> 00:37:27,833
The end of the year like this has to be a

1155
00:37:27,833 --> 00:37:29,966
lot of demos. Springtime demos are also

1156
00:37:29,966 --> 00:37:30,633
popular, but they're

1157
00:37:30,633 --> 00:37:31,633
scheduled on editing.

1158
00:37:32,766 --> 00:37:34,033
You know, twenty seven

1159
00:37:34,033 --> 00:37:35,166
hundred miles a year.

1160
00:37:35,166 --> 00:37:36,966
Our mowing vision does. So we're

1161
00:37:36,966 --> 00:37:37,933
certainly a new company.

1162
00:37:39,199 --> 00:37:40,300
The references provided

1163
00:37:40,300 --> 00:37:43,066
our federal state be trans.

1164
00:37:43,333 --> 00:37:45,566
We're on our IDIQ for everything from the

1165
00:37:45,566 --> 00:37:46,966
day to mowing everything else.

1166
00:37:47,033 --> 00:37:51,466
We're certainly federally bonded and

1167
00:37:51,466 --> 00:37:52,633
taking a building down especially.

1168
00:37:52,933 --> 00:37:55,366
I own the summit group in general.

1169
00:37:56,166 --> 00:37:57,600
Being it's a new town

1170
00:37:57,600 --> 00:37:58,600
we haven't worked with.

1171
00:37:59,033 --> 00:38:00,433
Generally I'll show up to a meeting.

1172
00:38:00,433 --> 00:38:01,500
Sometimes people have questions.

1173
00:38:02,366 --> 00:38:03,233
Some of those names

1174
00:38:03,233 --> 00:38:05,733
that people leave our city.

1175
00:38:06,033 --> 00:38:07,566
I know some of them over here. I know

1176
00:38:07,566 --> 00:38:08,300
some of them over here. We

1177
00:38:08,300 --> 00:38:09,233
cover all of New England.

1178
00:38:10,166 --> 00:38:11,366
So one summit's not the

1179
00:38:11,366 --> 00:38:12,133
same as the other summit.

1180
00:38:14,033 --> 00:38:15,566
The summit's a moment of

1181
00:38:15,566 --> 00:38:16,266
highway in New England.

1182
00:38:17,100 --> 00:38:18,466
It's us. It's taking

1183
00:38:18,466 --> 00:38:19,500
down a building. It's us.

1184
00:38:19,500 --> 00:38:20,266
It's not a dam or

1185
00:38:20,266 --> 00:38:21,100
army corps of engineers.

1186
00:38:22,266 --> 00:38:22,633
It's us.

1187
00:38:25,333 --> 00:38:27,100
I personally go up to the buildings. We

1188
00:38:27,100 --> 00:38:27,500
don't take on

1189
00:38:27,500 --> 00:38:28,533
anywhere that I don't touch.

1190
00:38:29,800 --> 00:38:33,133
And so I've seen it. It's not a great

1191
00:38:33,133 --> 00:38:34,966
job. It's nothing that's a problem.

1192
00:38:35,199 --> 00:38:36,533
I'm not a collaborate person. But again

1193
00:38:36,533 --> 00:38:37,433
being a new town, some

1194
00:38:37,433 --> 00:38:38,300
people have questions.

1195
00:38:39,033 --> 00:38:40,166
They're more comfortable going to the

1196
00:38:40,166 --> 00:38:41,566
contractor they've had before.

1197
00:38:41,566 --> 00:38:42,733
We know the guy. It's funny.

1198
00:38:44,533 --> 00:38:46,066
So I usually would come

1199
00:38:46,066 --> 00:38:47,233
to something like this.

1200
00:38:47,966 --> 00:38:49,033
And start and anytime we

1201
00:38:49,033 --> 00:38:50,500
do work for a new town,

1202
00:38:51,166 --> 00:38:53,600
we tend to get put on that box where they

1203
00:38:53,600 --> 00:38:55,266
see someone's name kind of come across.

1204
00:38:55,266 --> 00:38:56,833
They say, "Oh, it's easier. I don't think

1205
00:38:56,833 --> 00:38:57,366
we know what kind of

1206
00:38:57,366 --> 00:38:58,033
work we're going to get."

1207
00:39:00,133 --> 00:39:02,699
That's the picture of how it's...

1208
00:39:02,699 --> 00:39:03,966
It's like, "I'm not a

1209
00:39:03,966 --> 00:39:04,500
television director."

1210
00:39:06,033 --> 00:39:07,866
We're not a TV director. We're not a television director.

1211
00:39:07,866 --> 00:39:08,266
And so I'm just going to go back.

1212
00:39:08,266 --> 00:39:11,699
But, yeah. So let's take on the building.

1213
00:39:11,699 --> 00:39:14,366
I was in the building.

1214
00:39:14,666 --> 00:39:16,366
There's one point of concern, which is

1215
00:39:16,366 --> 00:39:17,566
something that the environmental entity.

1216
00:39:18,100 --> 00:39:18,933
Obviously you've got two

1217
00:39:18,933 --> 00:39:21,533
chimneys that go up past the lines.

1218
00:39:21,533 --> 00:39:22,566
You can't just knock the building.

1219
00:39:23,133 --> 00:39:23,966
I've got to drop the

1220
00:39:23,966 --> 00:39:24,933
chimneys inside first.

1221
00:39:26,333 --> 00:39:28,399
I'm under a promise over a deliverer.

1222
00:39:28,966 --> 00:39:31,033
If we were awarded the bid,

1223
00:39:31,033 --> 00:39:32,333
you could get done this fall.

1224
00:39:34,000 --> 00:39:35,666
we've done here, we've done in the next

1225
00:39:35,666 --> 00:39:36,899
few weeks any help is

1226
00:39:36,899 --> 00:39:38,433
we probably come out

1227
00:39:38,433 --> 00:39:40,233
out of Jamaica, we're out in the down of

1228
00:39:40,233 --> 00:39:41,133
Jamaica and we're probably

1229
00:39:41,133 --> 00:39:42,366
chucking an eye from there.

1230
00:39:42,699 --> 00:39:44,399
We tell you it's going to be two weeks to

1231
00:39:44,399 --> 00:39:45,766
do it, really it's my

1232
00:39:45,766 --> 00:39:47,766
days. One day we know

1233
00:39:47,766 --> 00:39:49,266
we'd be out on site one day starting,

1234
00:39:49,266 --> 00:39:51,666
we'd be out of there by Friday. No,

1235
00:39:51,666 --> 00:39:52,533
something goes wrong

1236
00:39:52,533 --> 00:39:54,333
of course it takes a little longer but it

1237
00:39:54,333 --> 00:39:56,066
won't take us very long to take that fill

1238
00:39:56,066 --> 00:39:56,966
in, if I can see it.

1239
00:39:57,699 --> 00:40:00,066
We've got a live gas line on there, see

1240
00:40:00,066 --> 00:40:00,933
that's been locked out,

1241
00:40:01,466 --> 00:40:02,366
so we'll be calling the gas

1242
00:40:02,399 --> 00:40:03,866
company and of course they exceed

1243
00:40:03,866 --> 00:40:06,066
beforehand to make sure the

1244
00:40:06,066 --> 00:40:07,066
live gas line is really the

1245
00:40:07,066 --> 00:40:11,066
old problem. Questions on the RFP if you

1246
00:40:11,066 --> 00:40:12,899
want to work with us? There's a few

1247
00:40:12,899 --> 00:40:13,766
questions that I have.

1248
00:40:14,166 --> 00:40:16,766
The Vulcan Foundation is mostly natural,

1249
00:40:17,266 --> 00:40:20,633
what's trucking more road and truck out

1250
00:40:20,633 --> 00:40:22,366
that road back and forth?

1251
00:40:22,699 --> 00:40:24,199
No, it was just written that you have to

1252
00:40:24,199 --> 00:40:26,500
remove it to a foot below grade. Okay,

1253
00:40:26,500 --> 00:40:27,566
and it did say something about the

1254
00:40:27,600 --> 00:40:30,000
road knocking the holes under, which is

1255
00:40:30,000 --> 00:40:34,100
funny with me anyway, we'd take out the

1256
00:40:34,100 --> 00:40:35,100
non-natural material

1257
00:40:35,333 --> 00:40:38,333
concrete or whatnot, then we can fold the

1258
00:40:38,333 --> 00:40:40,399
road and fill it from there. It would be

1259
00:40:40,399 --> 00:40:42,233
a rather natural process but

1260
00:40:42,600 --> 00:40:43,766
we're pretty easy going on the call every

1261
00:40:43,766 --> 00:40:44,266
once in a while. We're

1262
00:40:44,266 --> 00:40:45,533
real talk to you, real talk.

1263
00:40:46,933 --> 00:40:49,833
Paul and Robin asked for real stuff. Are

1264
00:40:49,833 --> 00:40:51,166
you Kyle? Come on, what's

1265
00:40:51,166 --> 00:40:52,800
up? Are you Kyle? I am Kyle, so

1266
00:40:52,966 --> 00:40:54,766
I can explain the evil name, but the old

1267
00:40:54,766 --> 00:40:56,566
one calls me Kyle, not even my parents

1268
00:40:56,566 --> 00:40:58,166
before I ever got involved with Kyle.

1269
00:40:58,666 --> 00:41:01,466
What's it make like? It's an Irish name

1270
00:41:01,466 --> 00:41:02,833
that just gets kind of translated.

1271
00:41:03,166 --> 00:41:03,933
Really, you're Irish.

1272
00:41:06,733 --> 00:41:12,633
Sorry. We have to be done, so we have

1273
00:41:12,633 --> 00:41:16,466
only, someone only works, in truth we say

1274
00:41:16,466 --> 00:41:17,933
we only work on November 1,

1275
00:41:18,166 --> 00:41:20,733
but in truth we worked at December 1, but

1276
00:41:20,733 --> 00:41:21,466
that's because we have an

1277
00:41:21,466 --> 00:41:22,533
overlap by our generals.

1278
00:41:22,800 --> 00:41:24,399
And then I go back to Ireland, they'll

1279
00:41:24,399 --> 00:41:27,000
ask me to go November, then I don't come

1280
00:41:27,000 --> 00:41:29,433
back until the earliest April,

1281
00:41:29,766 --> 00:41:31,166
but this year it was May 8th and I was

1282
00:41:31,166 --> 00:41:34,233
quite happy for that. But I usually put

1283
00:41:34,233 --> 00:41:35,866
the ground money right after it.

1284
00:41:35,866 --> 00:41:37,766
So if I got in here on May 8th, I'll be

1285
00:41:37,766 --> 00:41:39,266
9th, I would, honestly, I

1286
00:41:39,266 --> 00:41:41,066
would just go like this.

1287
00:41:42,266 --> 00:41:42,466
Cool.

1288
00:41:43,033 --> 00:41:44,133
I don't know if that answers anything, if

1289
00:41:44,133 --> 00:41:45,633
anybody has any questions

1290
00:41:45,633 --> 00:41:47,100
about how we go about it,

1291
00:41:47,100 --> 00:41:49,000
or if you're comfortable with this or

1292
00:41:49,000 --> 00:41:50,033
not, if you want to see anything.

1293
00:41:51,133 --> 00:41:54,466
I have a question for Emily about one of

1294
00:41:54,466 --> 00:41:57,166
them looks more itemized the way they

1295
00:41:57,166 --> 00:41:59,566
have the Parker ones.

1296
00:42:00,433 --> 00:42:01,800
I may apologize, I don't hear it very

1297
00:42:01,800 --> 00:42:02,699
well, my ears are shocked.

1298
00:42:03,466 --> 00:42:04,533
I couldn't tell what

1299
00:42:04,533 --> 00:42:05,433
you were talking about.

1300
00:42:05,433 --> 00:42:05,899
Oh, that's funny.

1301
00:42:07,899 --> 00:42:08,500
What was your question?

1302
00:42:09,100 --> 00:42:10,033
No, I'm asking you.

1303
00:42:11,733 --> 00:42:14,300
So all of the bids were required to be

1304
00:42:14,300 --> 00:42:17,233
submitted on the revised bid sheet.

1305
00:42:17,233 --> 00:42:17,766
Oh, I got it.

1306
00:42:17,766 --> 00:42:18,633
And they did all do that.

1307
00:42:19,233 --> 00:42:19,933
I didn't go that far.

1308
00:42:20,266 --> 00:42:21,066
You found it?

1309
00:42:21,533 --> 00:42:21,766
Yeah.

1310
00:42:23,466 --> 00:42:24,033
Thank you.

1311
00:42:28,266 --> 00:42:30,233
Emily, what's your recommendation?

1312
00:42:31,833 --> 00:42:33,133
I'm waiting for your recommendation.

1313
00:42:34,866 --> 00:42:37,633
I mean, it's obviously...

1314
00:42:38,133 --> 00:42:38,766
No, Ben.

1315
00:42:40,233 --> 00:42:40,466
Sure.

1316
00:42:42,033 --> 00:42:42,899
Or, yeah.

1317
00:42:43,866 --> 00:42:44,733
No, go.

1318
00:42:45,966 --> 00:42:47,433
You make a motion?

1319
00:42:49,366 --> 00:42:51,066
Flash, fewer, and some

1320
00:42:51,066 --> 00:42:52,066
are contracting, right?

1321
00:42:55,366 --> 00:42:57,633
I move the celebrity approved the

1322
00:42:57,633 --> 00:42:59,300
contract with some of the contracting for

1323
00:42:59,300 --> 00:43:01,333
the price of $42,000

1324
00:43:01,566 --> 00:43:09,199
and $50 to demolish the structure and

1325
00:43:09,199 --> 00:43:12,033
supervise the site at 83 course rate.

1326
00:43:12,666 --> 00:43:12,866
Second.

1327
00:43:13,566 --> 00:43:14,233
Seconded.

1328
00:43:14,233 --> 00:43:16,199
Questions or comments on the motion?

1329
00:43:17,800 --> 00:43:19,833
Can we get a heads up so we can go watch?

1330
00:43:20,199 --> 00:43:21,233
Can we watch any of this?

1331
00:43:21,233 --> 00:43:21,800
Absolutely not.

1332
00:43:22,533 --> 00:43:23,133
Definitely not.

1333
00:43:23,366 --> 00:43:24,233
Wow, we're going to tend the

1334
00:43:24,233 --> 00:43:25,266
sites and investigate things.

1335
00:43:26,633 --> 00:43:26,866
Wow.

1336
00:43:27,966 --> 00:43:28,899
We're pretty easy going.

1337
00:43:28,933 --> 00:43:31,633
Because our schedule gets so tight this

1338
00:43:31,633 --> 00:43:32,899
time of year, and

1339
00:43:32,899 --> 00:43:34,166
really, when I mean tight,

1340
00:43:34,433 --> 00:43:36,100
if I'm off by a day, I

1341
00:43:36,100 --> 00:43:37,133
start to hyperventilate.

1342
00:43:37,566 --> 00:43:39,033
So, yesterday I was in

1343
00:43:39,033 --> 00:43:41,233
Bangor, Harpswell, Boston.

1344
00:43:41,866 --> 00:43:42,766
The day before that, I

1345
00:43:42,766 --> 00:43:43,533
covered the rest of it.

1346
00:43:43,733 --> 00:43:45,500
So, and now when I leave here today, I'll

1347
00:43:45,500 --> 00:43:47,100
be back in Westford to sleep in one of

1348
00:43:47,100 --> 00:43:48,066
our side care events,

1349
00:43:48,066 --> 00:43:49,433
and then I'll be back out in

1350
00:43:49,433 --> 00:43:50,266
the Lewiston main tomorrow.

1351
00:43:50,566 --> 00:43:52,166
So, our schedule is fairly tight.

1352
00:43:52,166 --> 00:43:55,566
We will give you a very clear heads up on

1353
00:43:55,566 --> 00:43:57,033
what we tend to land and...

1354
00:43:57,566 --> 00:43:57,800
Here.

1355
00:43:59,399 --> 00:44:00,100
School traffic.

1356
00:44:00,600 --> 00:44:01,233
School traffic, yeah.

1357
00:44:01,766 --> 00:44:04,166
Okay, the school traffic hours, Court

1358
00:44:04,166 --> 00:44:05,899
Street is bad enough backed up,

1359
00:44:05,899 --> 00:44:08,033
and you're going to want to avoid

1360
00:44:08,033 --> 00:44:10,433
complications of that for

1361
00:44:10,433 --> 00:44:11,366
what part of this involves.

1362
00:44:11,866 --> 00:44:12,966
Are you loading into dumpsters?

1363
00:44:13,399 --> 00:44:15,066
We're probably going to load into one of

1364
00:44:15,066 --> 00:44:18,566
our cans, our trailers, for two reasons.

1365
00:44:19,033 --> 00:44:21,699
Now, originally we planned on dumpsters

1366
00:44:21,699 --> 00:44:23,000
and having a plant tractor come in,

1367
00:44:23,000 --> 00:44:25,833
but anyone in the localist area is not

1368
00:44:25,833 --> 00:44:26,699
going to be able to provide

1369
00:44:26,699 --> 00:44:28,433
them fast enough for us to

1370
00:44:28,699 --> 00:44:30,033
kind of make this happen correctly.

1371
00:44:30,966 --> 00:44:32,333
So, most likely we'll bring

1372
00:44:32,333 --> 00:44:33,933
the 34 foot trailer of ours.

1373
00:44:34,399 --> 00:44:36,266
We'll place it on the drive itself.

1374
00:44:36,533 --> 00:44:37,500
It serves two purposes.

1375
00:44:37,500 --> 00:44:38,866
If there's anything that goes wrong,

1376
00:44:38,866 --> 00:44:41,233
there is a house within 12 feet, you

1377
00:44:41,233 --> 00:44:42,033
know, on the property

1378
00:44:42,033 --> 00:44:42,533
line there.

1379
00:44:42,933 --> 00:44:44,433
So, it's better to hit our trailer than

1380
00:44:44,433 --> 00:44:45,833
it is to hit anybody else's property.

1381
00:44:46,166 --> 00:44:47,233
The other side has the

1382
00:44:47,233 --> 00:44:48,066
ravine and the trees.

1383
00:44:48,566 --> 00:44:50,833
Again, you know, we plan for the worst,

1384
00:44:51,066 --> 00:44:51,866
we're going to open the best.

1385
00:44:52,533 --> 00:44:53,366
So, that would just be

1386
00:44:53,366 --> 00:44:54,433
a contingency of that.

1387
00:44:54,933 --> 00:44:56,366
Generally, what we would do is we would

1388
00:44:56,366 --> 00:44:57,666
fence off the front of the property

1389
00:44:58,266 --> 00:44:59,866
with a simple fence.

1390
00:45:00,366 --> 00:45:01,333
It wouldn't matter if they put an

1391
00:45:01,333 --> 00:45:04,133
electrified, you know, fence up there.

1392
00:45:04,133 --> 00:45:05,066
They're still going to go around and

1393
00:45:05,066 --> 00:45:05,966
people like to look.

1394
00:45:06,199 --> 00:45:07,000
So, we find the bigger the

1395
00:45:07,000 --> 00:45:08,100
fence, the worse it gets.

1396
00:45:09,066 --> 00:45:10,399
Sometimes we'll double lean it.

1397
00:45:10,399 --> 00:45:12,366
And then we'll take on the ancillary

1398
00:45:12,366 --> 00:45:13,266
structures, the back

1399
00:45:13,266 --> 00:45:14,566
one, we'll go inside.

1400
00:45:14,566 --> 00:45:15,133
We'll probably be in

1401
00:45:15,133 --> 00:45:16,066
there for a day and a half.

1402
00:45:16,333 --> 00:45:17,366
We'll remove some glass,

1403
00:45:17,899 --> 00:45:18,666
we'll knock the shimmies.

1404
00:45:19,533 --> 00:45:22,033
Anything that could pose a problem, we'll

1405
00:45:22,033 --> 00:45:22,866
take that front porch

1406
00:45:22,866 --> 00:45:24,133
off, the back porch,

1407
00:45:24,533 --> 00:45:25,133
stuff like that.

1408
00:45:25,800 --> 00:45:27,733
And then when it comes to knocking it,

1409
00:45:27,733 --> 00:45:29,833
folding it in, it won't take very long.

1410
00:45:30,166 --> 00:45:31,533
But we will warn you and tell you exactly

1411
00:45:31,533 --> 00:45:32,833
where to go because it is

1412
00:45:32,833 --> 00:45:33,866
fun for people, for sure.

1413
00:45:34,766 --> 00:45:35,733
We'll knock it into the

1414
00:45:35,733 --> 00:45:37,266
foundation after doing that.

1415
00:45:38,233 --> 00:45:39,766
Put it into the cans,

1416
00:45:40,566 --> 00:45:41,633
get them out of there.

1417
00:45:41,966 --> 00:45:43,033
Hopefully, that's just one day.

1418
00:45:43,933 --> 00:45:44,899
The next day, we'll pull

1419
00:45:44,899 --> 00:45:46,933
out the rubble, separate that.

1420
00:45:47,733 --> 00:45:48,466
That'd be another day.

1421
00:45:48,833 --> 00:45:49,833
And then we will fill the

1422
00:45:49,833 --> 00:45:51,133
hydrocyne on the last day.

1423
00:45:51,566 --> 00:45:54,800
Do you remember that it's an

1424
00:45:54,800 --> 00:45:56,300
October 20th completion date?

1425
00:45:57,533 --> 00:45:58,266
I do not.

1426
00:45:58,533 --> 00:45:58,733
Okay.

1427
00:45:59,966 --> 00:46:01,233
All right.

1428
00:46:02,066 --> 00:46:05,633
After they're done, the ground is

1429
00:46:05,633 --> 00:46:06,966
topsoiled or something.

1430
00:46:08,066 --> 00:46:08,966
They do it or?

1431
00:46:10,266 --> 00:46:10,466
Yeah.

1432
00:46:12,433 --> 00:46:15,033
Being as late in the year, we're going to

1433
00:46:15,033 --> 00:46:15,966
hydroseed it unless you

1434
00:46:15,966 --> 00:46:16,833
want something different.

1435
00:46:17,366 --> 00:46:18,833
We just typically hydroseed people.

1436
00:46:19,800 --> 00:46:21,033
People like the green look.

1437
00:46:21,666 --> 00:46:23,199
But this late in the year, they say your

1438
00:46:23,199 --> 00:46:25,033
hydroseed right up to October 15th.

1439
00:46:25,033 --> 00:46:26,766
Whether it takes or not, you'll take in

1440
00:46:26,766 --> 00:46:28,166
the spring, it probably won't take now.

1441
00:46:28,166 --> 00:46:28,933
It's just been too dry.

1442
00:46:29,366 --> 00:46:30,633
It's in Witteri on that trip.

1443
00:46:30,833 --> 00:46:31,233
Yeah, really.

1444
00:46:31,566 --> 00:46:33,633
No, that's normally what I would expect

1445
00:46:33,633 --> 00:46:35,466
is we would cut a big 50% of Witteri

1446
00:46:35,966 --> 00:46:37,500
just so you see green

1447
00:46:37,500 --> 00:46:39,500
because people like that.

1448
00:46:41,333 --> 00:46:42,633
Again, you can only do

1449
00:46:42,633 --> 00:46:43,766
so much bad weather now.

1450
00:46:43,766 --> 00:46:44,766
I mean, lots of guys have

1451
00:46:44,766 --> 00:46:46,033
their grasses or burnt right now.

1452
00:46:46,199 --> 00:46:48,466
So we've been a bit of a drought so.

1453
00:46:49,000 --> 00:46:52,433
Any other questions?

1454
00:46:54,166 --> 00:46:56,133
Hearing none, all in favor of the motion,

1455
00:46:56,133 --> 00:46:57,833
signified by saying aye.

1456
00:46:58,033 --> 00:46:58,233
Aye.

1457
00:46:58,433 --> 00:46:58,633
Aye.

1458
00:47:00,766 --> 00:47:01,533
So, let me oppose.

1459
00:47:03,533 --> 00:47:03,733
Okay.

1460
00:47:04,233 --> 00:47:05,066
So, thanks for coming.

1461
00:47:05,266 --> 00:47:06,366
We appreciate you, Tane.

1462
00:47:06,366 --> 00:47:06,566
Yeah.

1463
00:47:06,933 --> 00:47:07,399
Go online.

1464
00:47:07,733 --> 00:47:08,733
I'm going to leave so I can help.

1465
00:47:08,733 --> 00:47:08,966
Make sense.

1466
00:47:09,533 --> 00:47:10,233
Yeah, very good.

1467
00:47:10,600 --> 00:47:13,033
We'll actually probably be in touch.

1468
00:47:13,033 --> 00:47:14,033
Somebody from the office will be in touch

1469
00:47:14,033 --> 00:47:14,866
to make contact with

1470
00:47:14,866 --> 00:47:15,866
you to give you a timeline

1471
00:47:15,966 --> 00:47:16,566
and make sure it doesn't

1472
00:47:16,566 --> 00:47:17,600
conflict with anything you need.

1473
00:47:17,966 --> 00:47:18,899
And then we'll send out

1474
00:47:18,899 --> 00:47:20,100
the safe and the gas company.

1475
00:47:20,333 --> 00:47:20,833
Okay, thanks.

1476
00:47:21,066 --> 00:47:21,466
Very good.

1477
00:47:21,466 --> 00:47:21,866
Thank you all.

1478
00:47:22,199 --> 00:47:23,066
Thank you, Sean.

1479
00:47:24,300 --> 00:47:24,566
Thank you.

1480
00:47:24,566 --> 00:47:24,866
Okay, Doug.

1481
00:47:25,666 --> 00:47:25,899
David.

1482
00:47:26,766 --> 00:47:27,833
I'm not here to ask for money.

1483
00:47:29,000 --> 00:47:29,433
That's the way.

1484
00:47:29,933 --> 00:47:30,500
That's the way.

1485
00:47:30,500 --> 00:47:30,766
That's the way.

1486
00:47:30,766 --> 00:47:31,433
What are we?

1487
00:47:32,500 --> 00:47:34,733
So, how about I give like a one-minute

1488
00:47:34,733 --> 00:47:36,366
spiel and anything you want to jump in?

1489
00:47:36,633 --> 00:47:36,833
Sure.

1490
00:47:37,366 --> 00:47:39,133
So, this is just a presentation.

1491
00:47:39,366 --> 00:47:40,733
It's not voting on anything tonight.

1492
00:47:40,733 --> 00:47:42,266
This is an idea that we've had some

1493
00:47:42,266 --> 00:47:43,933
discussions on with staff internally,

1494
00:47:44,600 --> 00:47:46,199
especially public works and police.

1495
00:47:46,566 --> 00:47:48,000
Jason wanted to be here and you can see

1496
00:47:48,000 --> 00:47:48,833
his comments in the packet,

1497
00:47:48,833 --> 00:47:50,000
but he's at a conference tonight.

1498
00:47:50,833 --> 00:47:53,533
So, the gist of this is we have a winter

1499
00:47:53,533 --> 00:47:54,466
parking ban that's similar

1500
00:47:54,466 --> 00:47:55,600
to most towns in Vermont.

1501
00:47:55,966 --> 00:47:58,333
The idea is it snows in the winter, so on

1502
00:47:58,333 --> 00:47:59,833
the off-campus chance it does snow.

1503
00:48:00,233 --> 00:48:01,566
We just ban everybody from parking

1504
00:48:01,566 --> 00:48:02,933
overnight on the town streets,

1505
00:48:03,233 --> 00:48:03,933
so the roads are

1506
00:48:03,933 --> 00:48:05,733
clear, so our guys can plow.

1507
00:48:07,000 --> 00:48:10,800
Practical reality is that it doesn't most

1508
00:48:10,800 --> 00:48:11,933
of that time, that's a false alarm.

1509
00:48:12,833 --> 00:48:14,033
And in some cases, our police

1510
00:48:14,033 --> 00:48:15,566
department, like other towns,

1511
00:48:16,566 --> 00:48:18,899
the law is what it is, so they are

1512
00:48:18,899 --> 00:48:20,533
enforcing even when it's 50

1513
00:48:20,533 --> 00:48:21,800
degrees and no snow is falling.

1514
00:48:22,899 --> 00:48:26,266
We had a conversation with Virgens last

1515
00:48:26,266 --> 00:48:28,300
year after they got rid of this ban.

1516
00:48:29,633 --> 00:48:30,833
We talked to their police chief.

1517
00:48:31,133 --> 00:48:31,566
Basically, everybody's

1518
00:48:31,566 --> 00:48:32,800
counterpart in Virgens.

1519
00:48:34,466 --> 00:48:37,933
They switched to essentially when there's

1520
00:48:37,933 --> 00:48:39,266
a forecast of snow,

1521
00:48:39,466 --> 00:48:40,366
they send out an alert.

1522
00:48:40,699 --> 00:48:43,699
They do it within the day before, and

1523
00:48:43,699 --> 00:48:44,733
then you have to get off the streets.

1524
00:48:45,433 --> 00:48:46,966
And we'll ticket you and tow you if

1525
00:48:46,966 --> 00:48:48,133
you're there when we need to plow,

1526
00:48:48,433 --> 00:48:49,500
but those other nights,

1527
00:48:49,500 --> 00:48:51,333
you can park your car there.

1528
00:48:52,000 --> 00:48:54,033
And they found that between their text

1529
00:48:54,033 --> 00:48:55,766
messaging service, which we already have,

1530
00:48:57,033 --> 00:48:59,366
and other proactive initial outreach,

1531
00:48:59,366 --> 00:49:01,166
they were able to actually see a decrease

1532
00:49:01,233 --> 00:49:02,800
in the number of enforcement actions.

1533
00:49:04,399 --> 00:49:06,533
So, it's still common across the state to

1534
00:49:06,533 --> 00:49:08,866
have as a default, just get off the

1535
00:49:08,866 --> 00:49:09,833
streets at all times.

1536
00:49:10,300 --> 00:49:11,633
But I think that has a lot to do with

1537
00:49:11,633 --> 00:49:13,766
just limited communications and capacity,

1538
00:49:13,766 --> 00:49:14,766
and that's also the tradition.

1539
00:49:15,633 --> 00:49:17,866
So, what we're proposing is essentially

1540
00:49:17,866 --> 00:49:19,933
we'll shift to something that

1541
00:49:19,933 --> 00:49:21,399
would be a lot more logical.

1542
00:49:21,800 --> 00:49:24,233
When we have a forecast for snow, public

1543
00:49:24,233 --> 00:49:25,233
works will make a decision.

1544
00:49:25,566 --> 00:49:27,366
They'll notify police, and

1545
00:49:27,366 --> 00:49:29,033
they'll go do what they do now.

1546
00:49:29,466 --> 00:49:31,233
It's just those other nights, we won't be

1547
00:49:31,233 --> 00:49:33,833
enforcing it if there's no snow coming.

1548
00:49:35,266 --> 00:49:37,066
That is the short of it.

1549
00:49:38,033 --> 00:49:41,633
And we wanted to share the idea, get your

1550
00:49:41,633 --> 00:49:43,666
feedback, and get your initial reaction.

1551
00:49:44,166 --> 00:49:45,166
This would require an

1552
00:49:45,166 --> 00:49:46,366
ordinance change, just so you know.

1553
00:49:46,733 --> 00:49:47,833
And the reason we're bringing it up now

1554
00:49:47,833 --> 00:49:49,800
is because if you are in favor of it,

1555
00:49:49,800 --> 00:49:51,866
and we do make the change, we'd like to

1556
00:49:51,866 --> 00:49:52,966
do some initial outreach.

1557
00:49:54,133 --> 00:49:55,966
We're primarily talking about downtown

1558
00:49:55,966 --> 00:49:56,766
here, because

1559
00:49:56,766 --> 00:49:57,633
everywhere else in the town,

1560
00:49:57,899 --> 00:49:59,033
for the most part, people have driveways,

1561
00:49:59,433 --> 00:50:00,500
so this is a bit academic.

1562
00:50:00,933 --> 00:50:01,733
We're talking about the

1563
00:50:01,733 --> 00:50:02,833
people who don't have driveways,

1564
00:50:03,399 --> 00:50:05,233
who right now need to go to one of a few

1565
00:50:05,233 --> 00:50:06,899
handful of places to improve their car

1566
00:50:07,000 --> 00:50:08,033
in the winter every night.

1567
00:50:08,266 --> 00:50:09,333
They don't have off-street parking.

1568
00:50:10,266 --> 00:50:11,800
So, if you do end up supporting this,

1569
00:50:12,233 --> 00:50:12,666
we're going to be

1570
00:50:12,666 --> 00:50:13,933
reaching out to property owners

1571
00:50:13,933 --> 00:50:16,166
to help reach out to their tenants,

1572
00:50:16,166 --> 00:50:18,433
essentially, to get them

1573
00:50:18,433 --> 00:50:20,566
signed up for our text messaging

1574
00:50:20,566 --> 00:50:20,966
service.

1575
00:50:20,966 --> 00:50:22,300
It's actually another way to encourage

1576
00:50:22,300 --> 00:50:23,266
more people to sign up,

1577
00:50:23,266 --> 00:50:24,433
because this information is something

1578
00:50:24,433 --> 00:50:26,633
they will want to know when it's snowing.

1579
00:50:27,266 --> 00:50:28,100
So, assuming that the

1580
00:50:28,100 --> 00:50:31,066
board supports it, the process.

1581
00:50:32,033 --> 00:50:34,333
So, right now, the

1582
00:50:34,333 --> 00:50:35,533
process is pretty easy.

1583
00:50:35,533 --> 00:50:37,133
And tell me to jump in.

1584
00:50:37,133 --> 00:50:38,766
But right now, the process would be

1585
00:50:38,766 --> 00:50:39,666
similar to the chance

1586
00:50:39,666 --> 00:50:41,366
that they kind of have a time

1587
00:50:41,466 --> 00:50:42,333
the day before.

1588
00:50:43,433 --> 00:50:44,333
For the ordinance change.

1589
00:50:44,733 --> 00:50:46,333
Oh, I heard it.

1590
00:50:46,333 --> 00:50:47,166
To make this.

1591
00:50:47,733 --> 00:50:49,566
So, we would have to

1592
00:50:49,566 --> 00:50:50,533
amend the parking ordinance.

1593
00:50:51,000 --> 00:50:52,466
So, we'd have a two-step process.

1594
00:50:52,466 --> 00:50:53,666
We'd bring it back to you.

1595
00:50:54,433 --> 00:50:55,699
You'd have a vote.

1596
00:50:55,933 --> 00:50:57,533
We'd then have a set

1597
00:50:57,533 --> 00:50:59,366
number of days per the charter.

1598
00:51:00,033 --> 00:51:01,766
We'd have another select board meeting

1599
00:51:01,766 --> 00:51:03,133
with a public hearing and a vote.

1600
00:51:03,533 --> 00:51:04,733
It would go into effect.

1601
00:51:04,733 --> 00:51:05,566
I think it's 40 days.

1602
00:51:05,800 --> 00:51:06,366
40 days.

1603
00:51:06,666 --> 00:51:07,166
Something we want to

1604
00:51:07,166 --> 00:51:08,133
shorten in the church.

1605
00:51:09,066 --> 00:51:11,166
But practically speaking, we can,

1606
00:51:11,766 --> 00:51:12,300
presuming there's no

1607
00:51:12,300 --> 00:51:13,433
great outcry after the second

1608
00:51:13,433 --> 00:51:15,433
meeting, we could start the public

1609
00:51:15,433 --> 00:51:16,766
outreach before that,

1610
00:51:17,233 --> 00:51:18,433
because we want to try to get the

1611
00:51:18,433 --> 00:51:20,566
word out before it's snowing in late.

1612
00:51:20,733 --> 00:51:22,033
Yeah, that's why I was

1613
00:51:22,033 --> 00:51:23,233
asking about the process.

1614
00:51:23,533 --> 00:51:24,733
So, if we want to do this,

1615
00:51:24,733 --> 00:51:26,000
we really need to get going.

1616
00:51:26,399 --> 00:51:26,600
Yeah.

1617
00:51:27,466 --> 00:51:27,733
Right.

1618
00:51:28,399 --> 00:51:30,833
So, we did, Jason and I both read the

1619
00:51:30,833 --> 00:51:32,966
same article a year ago in

1620
00:51:32,966 --> 00:51:34,366
the paper about Virgin's.

1621
00:51:34,366 --> 00:51:35,366
And we thought, well, let's give them a

1622
00:51:35,366 --> 00:51:36,199
year and either it's

1623
00:51:36,199 --> 00:51:36,966
going to work great or it's

1624
00:51:36,966 --> 00:51:38,166
going to blow up on their face, but we'll

1625
00:51:38,166 --> 00:51:39,466
talk to them and see how it goes.

1626
00:51:40,399 --> 00:51:41,333
And we had a great chat

1627
00:51:41,333 --> 00:51:43,133
with them in the late spring.

1628
00:51:44,033 --> 00:51:45,333
And they initially actually had thought

1629
00:51:45,333 --> 00:51:47,066
about putting up those blue lights that

1630
00:51:47,066 --> 00:51:48,333
Burlington and Manuski have.

1631
00:51:48,333 --> 00:51:48,633
Actually.

1632
00:51:48,633 --> 00:51:50,766
Realized they didn't really need that.

1633
00:51:51,033 --> 00:51:53,033
They felt like they had reached the

1634
00:51:53,033 --> 00:51:53,933
population they needed

1635
00:51:53,933 --> 00:51:55,833
with the initial outreach and

1636
00:51:56,266 --> 00:51:57,100
the text messages.

1637
00:51:57,866 --> 00:52:00,066
So, this proposal would rely heavily on

1638
00:52:00,066 --> 00:52:01,266
the software we're already having.

1639
00:52:01,633 --> 00:52:02,833
I think that for us,

1640
00:52:03,033 --> 00:52:03,966
just eyes wide open, right?

1641
00:52:04,033 --> 00:52:04,933
Like, you know, there's going to be

1642
00:52:04,933 --> 00:52:06,066
wonderful things which

1643
00:52:06,066 --> 00:52:07,466
people won't take it in toad on

1644
00:52:07,466 --> 00:52:08,366
days and we don't need to.

1645
00:52:08,766 --> 00:52:11,133
I think Virgin's and Middlebury are

1646
00:52:11,133 --> 00:52:12,433
different in the ways of

1647
00:52:12,433 --> 00:52:13,833
who's coming into town.

1648
00:52:13,833 --> 00:52:14,633
We talked about that a

1649
00:52:14,633 --> 00:52:15,300
little bit with them.

1650
00:52:15,866 --> 00:52:16,666
We have visitors.

1651
00:52:16,666 --> 00:52:18,166
We have college folks that maybe are not

1652
00:52:18,166 --> 00:52:20,000
here all the time that are our customers.

1653
00:52:20,699 --> 00:52:21,866
So, I think just eyes wide

1654
00:52:21,866 --> 00:52:23,399
open that we pay attention to.

1655
00:52:23,399 --> 00:52:24,699
And if we're all of a sudden towing

1656
00:52:24,699 --> 00:52:25,866
people that are not

1657
00:52:25,866 --> 00:52:26,966
transient, but more transient

1658
00:52:27,000 --> 00:52:29,433
to our area that we may need to look at

1659
00:52:29,433 --> 00:52:30,766
further systems to ensure

1660
00:52:30,766 --> 00:52:32,066
that we're being fair and

1661
00:52:32,066 --> 00:52:33,833
equitable to the groups that are, we want

1662
00:52:33,833 --> 00:52:34,566
people to come and

1663
00:52:34,566 --> 00:52:35,233
travel in the middle of

1664
00:52:35,233 --> 00:52:35,399
the day.

1665
00:52:35,399 --> 00:52:36,399
We don't want to scare

1666
00:52:36,399 --> 00:52:37,466
them away in those instances.

1667
00:52:37,833 --> 00:52:39,533
So, I think outreach for us is huge.

1668
00:52:40,066 --> 00:52:42,100
I think when we talked to PDE, it was,

1669
00:52:42,766 --> 00:52:43,433
you know, our guys are

1670
00:52:43,433 --> 00:52:44,633
always worried about towing

1671
00:52:44,633 --> 00:52:46,366
because it's always an issue.

1672
00:52:46,366 --> 00:52:47,533
Every snowstorm is an issue.

1673
00:52:47,800 --> 00:52:49,366
And the ones that are for us that are

1674
00:52:49,366 --> 00:52:50,533
really an issue are the,

1675
00:52:51,033 --> 00:52:52,766
not the 12 inches or 18

1676
00:52:52,766 --> 00:52:53,100
inches.

1677
00:52:53,100 --> 00:52:54,133
Everybody knows that's coming.

1678
00:52:54,300 --> 00:52:56,233
It's when we get an inch and a half at

1679
00:52:56,233 --> 00:52:56,866
two o'clock in the

1680
00:52:56,866 --> 00:52:58,566
morning and it wasn't really

1681
00:52:58,566 --> 00:52:59,033
forecasting.

1682
00:52:59,399 --> 00:53:01,266
And then we have to come in and there's

1683
00:53:01,266 --> 00:53:02,333
cars and actually

1684
00:53:02,333 --> 00:53:04,366
downtown's maybe not so bad because

1685
00:53:04,366 --> 00:53:05,833
PDE does a heck of a job down here

1686
00:53:05,833 --> 00:53:06,833
because they know that's going on.

1687
00:53:07,233 --> 00:53:09,033
It's the, to David, the opposite of that

1688
00:53:09,033 --> 00:53:10,466
is those side streets.

1689
00:53:10,466 --> 00:53:11,566
When people don't know the snow is

1690
00:53:11,566 --> 00:53:12,933
coming, they do kind of,

1691
00:53:12,933 --> 00:53:14,233
you know, peter out into

1692
00:53:14,233 --> 00:53:15,300
the side streets a little bit and that

1693
00:53:15,300 --> 00:53:16,266
makes it hard for the plow.

1694
00:53:16,266 --> 00:53:18,133
So, Matt Cram is in favor.

1695
00:53:18,133 --> 00:53:19,399
He reviewed this with us.

1696
00:53:19,399 --> 00:53:20,833
I think we are open and

1697
00:53:20,833 --> 00:53:21,666
we think it'll be great.

1698
00:53:21,666 --> 00:53:22,666
I think outreach will be huge.

1699
00:53:22,699 --> 00:53:24,366
And listening to Karen and the drives

1700
00:53:24,366 --> 00:53:25,666
that they do, I think us

1701
00:53:25,666 --> 00:53:27,066
driving home and trying

1702
00:53:27,066 --> 00:53:29,566
to figure out how we outreach to the text

1703
00:53:29,566 --> 00:53:31,966
message services, twofold, right?

1704
00:53:31,966 --> 00:53:33,533
We have the same thing and we get yelled

1705
00:53:33,533 --> 00:53:34,300
at every time we have a

1706
00:53:34,300 --> 00:53:34,966
water break or a water

1707
00:53:35,000 --> 00:53:35,399
shutdown.

1708
00:53:36,066 --> 00:53:36,633
Well, are you signed

1709
00:53:36,633 --> 00:53:37,399
up for text messages?

1710
00:53:37,666 --> 00:53:37,933
No.

1711
00:53:38,333 --> 00:53:38,566
Okay.

1712
00:53:38,566 --> 00:53:39,800
Well, you need to get signed up so you

1713
00:53:39,800 --> 00:53:40,833
understand when these

1714
00:53:40,833 --> 00:53:41,966
things are happening to you.

1715
00:53:41,966 --> 00:53:43,866
So I think the first year probably a

1716
00:53:43,866 --> 00:53:44,966
little rockier with

1717
00:53:44,966 --> 00:53:46,466
anything, but I think it's the

1718
00:53:46,466 --> 00:53:47,366
right way to go.

1719
00:53:47,366 --> 00:53:49,833
And as long as our counterparts at PDE

1720
00:53:49,833 --> 00:53:51,733
are really enforcing,

1721
00:53:51,733 --> 00:53:52,500
when we say we're going to

1722
00:53:52,533 --> 00:53:54,833
be out, we need to get those cars off the

1723
00:53:54,833 --> 00:53:56,133
street or else we're

1724
00:53:56,133 --> 00:53:57,100
going to be back here

1725
00:53:57,100 --> 00:53:58,233
and you guys are like, what the heck?

1726
00:53:58,233 --> 00:53:59,733
This place is a mess every time it snows.

1727
00:53:59,733 --> 00:54:00,666
We're going to go, yeah, there's cars all

1728
00:54:00,666 --> 00:54:02,166
over the place and we can't get there.

1729
00:54:02,166 --> 00:54:03,733
So pretty confident we'll be able to get

1730
00:54:03,733 --> 00:54:04,666
there with the

1731
00:54:04,666 --> 00:54:06,566
Middlebury PD folks and they've

1732
00:54:06,566 --> 00:54:07,566
been a hell of an ally.

1733
00:54:07,766 --> 00:54:09,733
And we've got good partnerships to reach

1734
00:54:09,733 --> 00:54:12,233
some of our transient population.

1735
00:54:13,233 --> 00:54:15,933
If we talk through Amy, as a former

1736
00:54:15,933 --> 00:54:16,633
Middlebury college

1737
00:54:16,633 --> 00:54:19,466
parent, I know there's a lot of

1738
00:54:19,833 --> 00:54:22,366
information coming to you and they can

1739
00:54:22,366 --> 00:54:23,533
come and tell you about

1740
00:54:23,533 --> 00:54:25,733
changes to staying in town.

1741
00:54:25,933 --> 00:54:28,033
I think MPD will tell us that many times

1742
00:54:28,033 --> 00:54:29,399
they're seeing the college folks,

1743
00:54:29,666 --> 00:54:30,766
those are the ones that

1744
00:54:30,766 --> 00:54:31,466
we're towing more for.

1745
00:54:31,466 --> 00:54:31,666
Sure.

1746
00:54:32,066 --> 00:54:32,433
Yeah, right.

1747
00:54:32,566 --> 00:54:34,266
I think trying to really focus our

1748
00:54:34,266 --> 00:54:35,833
efforts of the word and

1749
00:54:35,833 --> 00:54:36,733
here's what's changing,

1750
00:54:36,733 --> 00:54:37,800
here's how you get signed up.

1751
00:54:38,033 --> 00:54:38,266
Absolutely.

1752
00:54:38,633 --> 00:54:39,166
Always, even if you're

1753
00:54:39,166 --> 00:54:40,100
not a resident, sign up.

1754
00:54:40,399 --> 00:54:42,266
We don't send that many alerts out.

1755
00:54:43,066 --> 00:54:44,366
So I think that outreach should be the

1756
00:54:44,366 --> 00:54:45,933
biggest part of success here for us.

1757
00:54:45,966 --> 00:54:48,333
It also would be a little more, you start

1758
00:54:48,333 --> 00:54:50,033
to build in some more common sense.

1759
00:54:50,466 --> 00:54:53,100
If you see it snowing that day, get off

1760
00:54:53,100 --> 00:54:54,166
the street that night.

1761
00:54:54,766 --> 00:54:56,966
Should be instinctive, except our policy

1762
00:54:56,966 --> 00:54:57,800
has always been get off

1763
00:54:57,800 --> 00:54:58,666
the street every night.

1764
00:54:59,733 --> 00:55:01,199
We may not enforce that.

1765
00:55:01,199 --> 00:55:02,133
It's a little bit too late.

1766
00:55:02,633 --> 00:55:03,833
People get used to it.

1767
00:55:03,833 --> 00:55:05,933
We don't do it for 23 days, but on the

1768
00:55:05,933 --> 00:55:07,399
24th day, we get two

1769
00:55:07,399 --> 00:55:08,466
inches at two in the morning.

1770
00:55:08,899 --> 00:55:10,000
And all of a sudden we're towing the car.

1771
00:55:10,000 --> 00:55:10,666
They're like, "I've been

1772
00:55:10,666 --> 00:55:11,600
parked here for months.

1773
00:55:11,600 --> 00:55:12,666
Nobody's ever given me health enough."

1774
00:55:12,766 --> 00:55:15,566
And I understand why PD has done that

1775
00:55:15,566 --> 00:55:16,433
because why would you?

1776
00:55:16,433 --> 00:55:17,933
We're not here to make money off this.

1777
00:55:17,933 --> 00:55:18,633
We just need to be able

1778
00:55:18,633 --> 00:55:19,633
to take care of business.

1779
00:55:20,133 --> 00:55:23,500
I think besides the text, we could get

1780
00:55:23,500 --> 00:55:25,366
something in the Adi Indi.

1781
00:55:25,766 --> 00:55:25,966
Yeah.

1782
00:55:26,133 --> 00:55:26,433
Or we could get

1783
00:55:26,433 --> 00:55:27,666
something on the local radio.

1784
00:55:28,866 --> 00:55:29,533
And we might even

1785
00:55:29,533 --> 00:55:32,133
consider a couple signs.

1786
00:55:32,800 --> 00:55:32,966
Yeah.

1787
00:55:32,966 --> 00:55:34,533
I mean, Drew thinks he might have some

1788
00:55:34,533 --> 00:55:36,333
ability to publicize as well.

1789
00:55:37,033 --> 00:55:37,233
Yeah.

1790
00:55:38,366 --> 00:55:39,733
And I mean, to that point of

1791
00:55:39,733 --> 00:55:41,233
this year, we need some more.

1792
00:55:41,533 --> 00:55:42,199
We can look in.

1793
00:55:43,733 --> 00:55:45,100
Also, he said it.

1794
00:55:46,266 --> 00:55:46,466
Yeah.

1795
00:55:48,266 --> 00:55:50,033
Television also has an emergency alert

1796
00:55:50,033 --> 00:55:51,466
system that plays on the TV.

1797
00:55:52,100 --> 00:55:54,100
The alerts that Crystal sends out through

1798
00:55:54,100 --> 00:55:55,366
the Towne's text message system

1799
00:55:55,633 --> 00:56:00,466
are also displayed on MCTV, both 1071 and

1800
00:56:00,466 --> 00:56:02,800
1091, as an emergency ticker at the

1801
00:56:02,800 --> 00:56:03,466
bottom of the screen.

1802
00:56:03,899 --> 00:56:05,966
So if the public works makes the

1803
00:56:05,966 --> 00:56:07,300
determination that they do

1804
00:56:07,300 --> 00:56:08,366
want to have the parking ban,

1805
00:56:08,666 --> 00:56:10,166
that would go through the Towne's alert

1806
00:56:10,166 --> 00:56:11,133
system, which would also be

1807
00:56:11,133 --> 00:56:13,699
displayed on all of both our

1808
00:56:13,699 --> 00:56:15,166
channels and our information bulletin

1809
00:56:15,166 --> 00:56:16,933
boards that lives at the library and

1810
00:56:16,933 --> 00:56:17,600
those kinds of things as

1811
00:56:17,600 --> 00:56:17,833
well.

1812
00:56:18,333 --> 00:56:18,533
Awesome.

1813
00:56:18,699 --> 00:56:18,899
Sorry.

1814
00:56:18,966 --> 00:56:19,266
Thanks, Drew.

1815
00:56:19,633 --> 00:56:20,000
I love it.

1816
00:56:20,233 --> 00:56:21,566
And I think facing right after we see

1817
00:56:21,566 --> 00:56:22,466
there's still issues, we've

1818
00:56:22,466 --> 00:56:23,566
talked about small message

1819
00:56:23,566 --> 00:56:24,500
boards coming into town for

1820
00:56:24,500 --> 00:56:25,600
a variety of issues, right?

1821
00:56:25,899 --> 00:56:26,600
Parking, we're snow

1822
00:56:26,600 --> 00:56:27,933
clearing, we're painting lines.

1823
00:56:28,533 --> 00:56:29,699
Things are different from downtown.

1824
00:56:29,699 --> 00:56:30,899
But that, I think we start here.

1825
00:56:31,066 --> 00:56:33,633
Virginia was a great case study of they

1826
00:56:33,633 --> 00:56:34,233
didn't spend all the

1827
00:56:34,233 --> 00:56:35,066
money, they were going to spend

1828
00:56:35,066 --> 00:56:36,399
it and they didn't have it.

1829
00:56:36,399 --> 00:56:37,566
So they said, let's try it and it's

1830
00:56:37,566 --> 00:56:39,233
ordeal pretty well for them.

1831
00:56:39,800 --> 00:56:40,966
This makes a lot of sense.

1832
00:56:41,433 --> 00:56:43,399
And I really, this is one for discussion

1833
00:56:43,399 --> 00:56:45,500
only, but I don't see why we...

1834
00:56:45,699 --> 00:56:47,033
Well, we're going to take a straw poll to

1835
00:56:47,033 --> 00:56:48,266
bring an ordinance to us.

1836
00:56:48,266 --> 00:56:48,633
That's me.

1837
00:56:49,766 --> 00:56:50,600
Yeah, I don't have the

1838
00:56:50,600 --> 00:56:53,233
ordinance drafted from you right now.

1839
00:56:53,233 --> 00:56:53,800
Yes, please.

1840
00:56:53,933 --> 00:56:54,600
I think it's that.

1841
00:56:54,600 --> 00:56:55,333
So straw poll.

1842
00:56:55,866 --> 00:56:56,066
Yes.

1843
00:56:56,433 --> 00:56:57,666
Yes, yes, yes.

1844
00:56:58,199 --> 00:56:58,433
Yes.

1845
00:56:58,433 --> 00:56:58,633
Yeah.

1846
00:56:59,966 --> 00:57:00,266
Yes.

1847
00:57:00,766 --> 00:57:01,100
Please.

1848
00:57:01,466 --> 00:57:02,033
Let's do it.

1849
00:57:02,133 --> 00:57:02,933
Let's move forward.

1850
00:57:03,800 --> 00:57:04,133
All right.

1851
00:57:04,366 --> 00:57:05,899
David, did I bring this to you like two

1852
00:57:05,899 --> 00:57:06,733
and a half years ago?

1853
00:57:06,733 --> 00:57:08,633
Yeah, I think it's time had to come.

1854
00:57:08,933 --> 00:57:09,133
Okay.

1855
00:57:09,133 --> 00:57:10,399
You're just still ahead of your time.

1856
00:57:11,033 --> 00:57:12,533
The rest of us had to catch up.

1857
00:57:12,766 --> 00:57:14,433
Emily, can I ask you one question?

1858
00:57:16,266 --> 00:57:21,000
There is on the access road to the cell

1859
00:57:21,000 --> 00:57:24,433
tower, a tree that fell over maybe

1860
00:57:24,533 --> 00:57:28,399
in the huge windstorm a year and some ago

1861
00:57:28,399 --> 00:57:31,933
and is leaning and compromising

1862
00:57:32,366 --> 00:57:33,866
a huge mature tree

1863
00:57:33,866 --> 00:57:34,866
that's next to the road.

1864
00:57:36,566 --> 00:57:37,333
Are you familiar with this?

1865
00:57:37,633 --> 00:57:38,066
I am not.

1866
00:57:39,566 --> 00:57:40,033
A widow baker.

1867
00:57:40,033 --> 00:57:40,866
A widow baker, says Dan.

1868
00:57:41,166 --> 00:57:42,033
He's on the spring side.

1869
00:57:42,733 --> 00:57:43,766
So at the top of spring

1870
00:57:43,766 --> 00:57:45,133
side, if you go up towards...

1871
00:57:45,466 --> 00:57:46,066
Do you go straight or if

1872
00:57:46,066 --> 00:57:47,366
you go right at the top?

1873
00:57:47,566 --> 00:57:48,366
Straight to the cell tower.

1874
00:57:48,733 --> 00:57:51,233
So Battelle Land Trust is supposed to...

1875
00:57:51,233 --> 00:57:53,433
Yeah, the cell trust is in charge of the

1876
00:57:53,433 --> 00:57:55,033
Caring custody of trees beyond the gate.

1877
00:57:55,600 --> 00:57:56,366
Beyond the gate, including

1878
00:57:56,366 --> 00:57:58,833
not tam trees on that road.

1879
00:57:59,133 --> 00:57:59,333
Correct.

1880
00:57:59,500 --> 00:57:59,933
Very good.

1881
00:58:00,333 --> 00:58:00,533
Okay.

1882
00:58:00,866 --> 00:58:01,066
It is...

1883
00:58:02,233 --> 00:58:05,500
I have a picture where you can see.

1884
00:58:06,266 --> 00:58:06,933
Yeah, it's just...

1885
00:58:07,399 --> 00:58:08,933
It's had this tree leaning on it forever

1886
00:58:08,933 --> 00:58:10,933
and it's like maybe a 10

1887
00:58:10,933 --> 00:58:13,766
plus percent off straight now.

1888
00:58:13,766 --> 00:58:15,199
I didn't email Tony about it.

1889
00:58:15,199 --> 00:58:15,899
He usually just

1890
00:58:15,899 --> 00:58:17,633
circles back to Chrisy Oley.

1891
00:58:18,166 --> 00:58:18,433
Okay.

1892
00:58:18,800 --> 00:58:19,300
Very good.

1893
00:58:19,566 --> 00:58:19,966
Thanks.

1894
00:58:19,966 --> 00:58:20,166
Yep.

1895
00:58:21,766 --> 00:58:22,133
Okay.

1896
00:58:23,333 --> 00:58:23,600
Okay.

1897
00:58:23,600 --> 00:58:24,466
Board member concerns.

1898
00:58:24,899 --> 00:58:25,100
Fred.

1899
00:58:29,166 --> 00:58:30,933
There's been a couple of pieces of

1900
00:58:30,933 --> 00:58:32,666
correspondence that have been emailed to

1901
00:58:32,666 --> 00:58:33,733
Select Board members

1902
00:58:33,733 --> 00:58:35,166
only and not to the manager.

1903
00:58:35,899 --> 00:58:39,133
One in August 28th, a letter from Paul

1904
00:58:39,133 --> 00:58:41,566
Dragon hoping Select Board

1905
00:58:41,566 --> 00:58:43,100
members would come to the

1906
00:58:43,100 --> 00:58:45,733
September 18th to see the OEO open house

1907
00:58:45,733 --> 00:58:47,399
and ask them when I'm going to speak.

1908
00:58:48,199 --> 00:58:48,966
Another one this

1909
00:58:48,966 --> 00:58:51,766
afternoon at 4.30, 4 p.m.

1910
00:58:51,766 --> 00:58:54,733
Andrew Fersch requesting that one or all

1911
00:58:54,733 --> 00:58:55,666
of us appear at a

1912
00:58:55,666 --> 00:58:57,066
children's TV show in Rochester.

1913
00:58:58,333 --> 00:59:00,033
Madre Valley TV for five minutes.

1914
00:59:01,800 --> 00:59:02,399
Anyway, I just...

1915
00:59:03,000 --> 00:59:04,233
Things that come to all the board members

1916
00:59:04,233 --> 00:59:05,966
but don't go to the manager.

1917
00:59:06,533 --> 00:59:07,333
One of us ought to

1918
00:59:07,333 --> 00:59:09,666
forward it and say FYI.

1919
00:59:10,033 --> 00:59:14,133
But I'm not inclined to

1920
00:59:14,133 --> 00:59:14,899
go to either of these.

1921
00:59:14,933 --> 00:59:18,466
Even better, we could create a Select

1922
00:59:18,466 --> 00:59:19,133
Board at

1923
00:59:19,133 --> 00:59:21,566
townofmiddlebury.org mailing list,

1924
00:59:22,199 --> 00:59:25,066
which would not only be a discoverable

1925
00:59:25,066 --> 00:59:26,866
record but also go to

1926
00:59:26,866 --> 00:59:28,300
everyone at their personal address.

1927
00:59:28,833 --> 00:59:30,066
And this is something which Drew could

1928
00:59:30,066 --> 00:59:31,833
set up in three minutes.

1929
00:59:32,966 --> 00:59:33,166
Done.

1930
00:59:33,766 --> 00:59:33,966
Okay.

1931
00:59:34,333 --> 00:59:34,533
Next.

1932
00:59:36,833 --> 00:59:37,033
Next.

1933
00:59:37,366 --> 00:59:37,633
Sit down.

1934
00:59:40,133 --> 00:59:40,366
Yeah.

1935
00:59:40,800 --> 00:59:40,899
Very...

1936
00:59:40,933 --> 00:59:41,866
Well, that's it.

1937
00:59:42,966 --> 00:59:46,933
Sir, somebody came today to me to

1938
00:59:46,933 --> 00:59:48,300
complain about a trailer

1939
00:59:48,300 --> 00:59:50,100
that's abandoned by her house

1940
00:59:50,100 --> 00:59:51,699
and I wondered who was it

1941
00:59:51,699 --> 00:59:53,733
sent to to talk about that.

1942
00:59:53,733 --> 00:59:56,066
It's like this, the people who own the

1943
00:59:56,066 --> 00:59:57,066
trailer and who own the

1944
00:59:57,066 --> 00:59:59,000
property don't live there.

1945
00:59:59,000 --> 01:00:00,566
They've moved away, but the trailer is

1946
01:00:00,566 --> 01:00:01,833
just there falling apart

1947
01:00:01,833 --> 01:00:03,533
and she doesn't know who to

1948
01:00:03,633 --> 01:00:04,366
reach out to.

1949
01:00:04,633 --> 01:00:05,233
So I don't even...

1950
01:00:05,533 --> 01:00:07,199
Always sent her to the town manager.

1951
01:00:07,500 --> 01:00:08,699
I did say I was gonna...

1952
01:00:08,933 --> 01:00:11,333
I said the town manager, but I didn't

1953
01:00:11,333 --> 01:00:12,666
know if there was a specific

1954
01:00:14,266 --> 01:00:14,699
ordinance.

1955
01:00:15,300 --> 01:00:16,333
I don't know if it was a drummer or...

1956
01:00:16,333 --> 01:00:17,366
Yeah, Mark said, "Yeah,

1957
01:00:17,366 --> 01:00:18,199
Mark's the way you are."

1958
01:00:18,866 --> 01:00:21,666
Is this a Home for Trailer or...

1959
01:00:22,166 --> 01:00:23,233
No type trailer.

1960
01:00:24,000 --> 01:00:24,199
Yeah.

1961
01:00:25,899 --> 01:00:26,100
So...

1962
01:00:26,866 --> 01:00:28,199
And that's the right

1963
01:00:28,199 --> 01:00:29,300
answer, I guess, Dan.

1964
01:00:29,566 --> 01:00:30,566
Based on Mark's nodding.

1965
01:00:31,566 --> 01:00:32,000
What?

1966
01:00:32,566 --> 01:00:33,333
Is he on the head?

1967
01:00:36,366 --> 01:00:39,199
Dan, well, you've got your speaker open.

1968
01:00:39,966 --> 01:00:40,566
Got anything?

1969
01:00:42,333 --> 01:00:44,833
Yeah, I would just say this to say

1970
01:00:44,833 --> 01:00:45,666
something sitting here

1971
01:00:45,666 --> 01:00:46,600
and watching this tonight.

1972
01:00:47,966 --> 01:00:50,233
We went through an unusual event, even

1973
01:00:50,233 --> 01:00:52,166
though some was a little bitter.

1974
01:00:52,566 --> 01:00:53,966
That's the first time I've ever seen

1975
01:00:53,966 --> 01:00:55,666
Emily come in and let up

1976
01:00:56,600 --> 01:00:59,066
the side of which contract we want.

1977
01:00:59,633 --> 01:01:00,966
And I thought the conversation was

1978
01:01:00,966 --> 01:01:02,033
somewhat uncomfortable,

1979
01:01:02,433 --> 01:01:03,800
because if you're gonna do that, we

1980
01:01:03,800 --> 01:01:05,433
didn't give fair shape

1981
01:01:05,433 --> 01:01:06,966
to the other contractors

1982
01:01:06,966 --> 01:01:07,566
who were there.

1983
01:01:07,566 --> 01:01:08,433
A little silly was a

1984
01:01:08,433 --> 01:01:09,433
really interesting guy.

1985
01:01:10,533 --> 01:01:13,866
It was just a little uncomfortable, but I

1986
01:01:13,866 --> 01:01:15,466
was glad he was a little bitter because

1987
01:01:16,933 --> 01:01:18,433
that's the one way to go.

1988
01:01:18,633 --> 01:01:20,399
But it was just different.

1989
01:01:20,633 --> 01:01:21,466
I've never seen that

1990
01:01:21,466 --> 01:01:22,933
before, and it was uncomfortable.

1991
01:01:23,633 --> 01:01:25,733
I think, Emily, you

1992
01:01:25,733 --> 01:01:27,033
asked us to decide, right?

1993
01:01:27,733 --> 01:01:28,266
Between the two.

1994
01:01:29,133 --> 01:01:33,566
I wanted to go with the more local vendor

1995
01:01:33,566 --> 01:01:35,266
who has historically done work,

1996
01:01:35,266 --> 01:01:37,399
but the local vendor was not sitting in

1997
01:01:37,399 --> 01:01:39,033
the room supporting his vote.

1998
01:01:39,266 --> 01:01:39,666
That's his last.

1999
01:01:40,100 --> 01:01:41,433
So I think either way,

2000
01:01:41,433 --> 01:01:42,933
it's a fully funded project,

2001
01:01:43,166 --> 01:01:44,266
so it wouldn't have been

2002
01:01:44,266 --> 01:01:47,100
changed to the town either way.

2003
01:01:47,333 --> 01:01:48,933
But I think he

2004
01:01:48,933 --> 01:01:51,266
clearly supported his case.

2005
01:01:51,866 --> 01:01:54,533
I do agree that the other party didn't

2006
01:01:54,533 --> 01:01:55,633
get to support his case,

2007
01:01:55,633 --> 01:01:56,133
but he did.

2008
01:01:56,666 --> 01:01:56,966
He did.

2009
01:01:57,233 --> 01:01:57,699
He did get to.

2010
01:01:57,866 --> 01:01:59,266
Well, I have a chance to test him out.

2011
01:01:59,699 --> 01:02:01,500
But we don't do a competitive process by

2012
01:02:01,500 --> 01:02:04,199
having one person show up.

2013
01:02:04,833 --> 01:02:05,800
Brandon, he's a smart guy.

2014
01:02:06,366 --> 01:02:06,899
He doesn't.

2015
01:02:06,899 --> 01:02:07,633
He's a smart guy.

2016
01:02:08,000 --> 01:02:10,866
So I'm still uncomfortable with one.

2017
01:02:12,300 --> 01:02:13,533
There should also be a reason we're not

2018
01:02:13,533 --> 01:02:14,633
looking at a little bit, right?

2019
01:02:14,633 --> 01:02:15,833
There's gonna be a compelling reason

2020
01:02:15,833 --> 01:02:16,966
outside of not

2021
01:02:16,966 --> 01:02:18,566
comfortable with affiliates, right?

2022
01:02:19,566 --> 01:02:22,066
Well, I think typically if you have a

2023
01:02:22,066 --> 01:02:23,466
historical background,

2024
01:02:23,466 --> 01:02:24,233
then it's a little

2025
01:02:24,233 --> 01:02:25,866
better than we do sometimes.

2026
01:02:26,800 --> 01:02:28,600
Well, he was pretty

2027
01:02:28,600 --> 01:02:31,466
persuasive, I thought.

2028
01:02:32,233 --> 01:02:32,566
And we'll get--

2029
01:02:32,566 --> 01:02:34,166
He made a little nervous that he might

2030
01:02:34,166 --> 01:02:35,266
not know the contract.

2031
01:02:38,000 --> 01:02:39,033
But we'll get through it.

2032
01:02:40,466 --> 01:02:43,333
Ashley knows the contract.

2033
01:02:43,566 --> 01:02:44,566
It's funny that he said,

2034
01:02:44,566 --> 01:02:45,633
"I'm not a good speaker."

2035
01:02:45,633 --> 01:02:47,266
And then he went and showed all of them.

2036
01:02:47,266 --> 01:02:47,699
No.

2037
01:02:48,533 --> 01:02:51,366
No one appreciates my average accent.

2038
01:02:55,066 --> 01:02:56,600
You just say low bet,

2039
01:02:56,600 --> 01:02:57,266
low bet, what do you say?

2040
01:02:57,699 --> 01:02:59,066
Set the boundary low and then--

2041
01:02:59,233 --> 01:03:00,166
Exceed expectations.

2042
01:03:00,766 --> 01:03:00,899
Yeah.

2043
01:03:00,899 --> 01:03:01,633
I'm a very good public speaker.

2044
01:03:01,966 --> 01:03:02,433
Here we go.

2045
01:03:04,300 --> 01:03:06,666
I got nothing.

2046
01:03:08,166 --> 01:03:09,533
You wanted to watch the

2047
01:03:09,533 --> 01:03:10,866
demo of the house or something?

2048
01:03:11,366 --> 01:03:12,466
Did you see the stewards?

2049
01:03:13,366 --> 01:03:13,699
The geppers?

2050
01:03:14,100 --> 01:03:14,866
I did see.

2051
01:03:15,166 --> 01:03:15,366
Yeah.

2052
01:03:15,500 --> 01:03:17,000
But those awesome things

2053
01:03:17,000 --> 01:03:18,633
that I've seen in three days,

2054
01:03:18,866 --> 01:03:20,866
they flattened that whole structure down.

2055
01:03:21,933 --> 01:03:22,733
Amazing, amazing work.

2056
01:03:22,766 --> 01:03:23,766
Were you just out there

2057
01:03:23,766 --> 01:03:24,833
watching the whole film?

2058
01:03:25,399 --> 01:03:26,866
Every few minutes, I'll go outside.

2059
01:03:27,433 --> 01:03:28,866
But every few minutes,

2060
01:03:28,866 --> 01:03:29,766
my whole building shakes.

2061
01:03:30,033 --> 01:03:31,133
We're trying to get to the morning.

2062
01:03:32,233 --> 01:03:32,366
[INTERPOSING VOICES]

2063
01:03:32,366 --> 01:03:33,033
That's why we're out there.

2064
01:03:33,033 --> 01:03:33,833
The concrete pavement,

2065
01:03:33,833 --> 01:03:34,333
when you're breaking.

2066
01:03:36,033 --> 01:03:37,966
I thought, I wish my

2067
01:03:37,966 --> 01:03:38,933
building collapsed or something

2068
01:03:38,933 --> 01:03:40,033
so I can get a new one out.

2069
01:03:40,566 --> 01:03:45,133
That was a good experience.

2070
01:03:45,733 --> 01:03:46,300
That's funny.

2071
01:03:46,733 --> 01:03:46,833
Yeah.

2072
01:03:46,833 --> 01:03:48,166
It's like, Andy?

2073
01:03:48,566 --> 01:03:49,766
Yeah, I think I'm good.

2074
01:03:49,833 --> 01:03:53,766
What an easy jovial select

2075
01:03:53,766 --> 01:03:55,033
board meeting this has been.

2076
01:03:56,199 --> 01:03:57,333
Can they change sense?

2077
01:04:02,199 --> 01:04:05,166
On your comments, Dan, I do

2078
01:04:05,166 --> 01:04:07,533
feel like we kind of owed it

2079
01:04:07,533 --> 01:04:09,533
to the low bid without a compelling

2080
01:04:09,533 --> 01:04:12,366
reason of differentiation,

2081
01:04:13,766 --> 01:04:14,399
especially because

2082
01:04:14,399 --> 01:04:16,666
we'd want to keep people

2083
01:04:16,666 --> 01:04:17,533
into the money in Vermont.

2084
01:04:17,800 --> 01:04:19,300
We've never really said in

2085
01:04:19,300 --> 01:04:22,066
New Haven versus Linenville,

2086
01:04:22,066 --> 01:04:23,033
it's not Middlebury.

2087
01:04:23,266 --> 01:04:24,666
So if it was a Middlebury vendor,

2088
01:04:24,666 --> 01:04:25,933
it might be a little bit different.

2089
01:04:26,233 --> 01:04:28,933
But I think the fact that he was here

2090
01:04:28,933 --> 01:04:30,033
because he was unknown

2091
01:04:30,666 --> 01:04:32,300
was advantageous because

2092
01:04:32,300 --> 01:04:34,100
that was the only reason why

2093
01:04:34,100 --> 01:04:36,199
we were considering somebody different.

2094
01:04:36,633 --> 01:04:39,566
I don't feel like our directivation

2095
01:04:39,566 --> 01:04:41,033
necessarily was slighted

2096
01:04:41,033 --> 01:04:42,633
because they were not the low bidder.

2097
01:04:43,266 --> 01:04:44,966
The fact that we were considering them

2098
01:04:44,966 --> 01:04:47,466
was because nobody had heard of some.

2099
01:04:47,466 --> 01:04:49,966
He kind of showed to us

2100
01:04:49,966 --> 01:04:52,433
that they are operating

2101
01:04:52,433 --> 01:04:53,300
throughout the state.

2102
01:04:53,766 --> 01:04:55,166
I think him showing up made

2103
01:04:55,166 --> 01:04:56,133
it a little bit uncomfortable.

2104
01:04:56,699 --> 01:05:00,000
I've also only one of them showing up.

2105
01:05:00,333 --> 01:05:00,533
Yeah.

2106
01:05:01,633 --> 01:05:03,833
But I mean, it's a good tactic.

2107
01:05:04,433 --> 01:05:05,366
It's an open meeting.

2108
01:05:05,366 --> 01:05:06,866
On a big bid, you ought

2109
01:05:06,866 --> 01:05:08,766
to go to the decision.

2110
01:05:09,399 --> 01:05:09,600
Yeah.

2111
01:05:11,066 --> 01:05:12,766
Yeah, no, he really drives

2112
01:05:12,766 --> 01:05:13,866
these things all the time.

2113
01:05:14,199 --> 01:05:14,766
Yeah.

2114
01:05:14,766 --> 01:05:17,433
That's pretty expensive to

2115
01:05:17,433 --> 01:05:19,766
use for what we thought of me

2116
01:05:19,766 --> 01:05:20,733
as an offer.

2117
01:05:21,000 --> 01:05:22,266
And they never--

2118
01:05:23,399 --> 01:05:24,066
[INAUDIBLE]

2119
01:05:25,633 --> 01:05:28,399
And Republic had come to multiple visits.

2120
01:05:28,399 --> 01:05:29,300
So it's just interesting

2121
01:05:29,300 --> 01:05:31,266
to have different bids.

2122
01:05:31,566 --> 01:05:31,966
Yeah.

2123
01:05:32,333 --> 01:05:34,966
It is a fairly small demolition, though.

2124
01:05:35,333 --> 01:05:36,666
So I mean, to spend a lot of

2125
01:05:36,666 --> 01:05:38,266
time going and doing the site

2126
01:05:38,266 --> 01:05:39,566
visit, you could just

2127
01:05:39,566 --> 01:05:40,766
drive by and look at it

2128
01:05:40,766 --> 01:05:41,699
and kind of walk through.

2129
01:05:42,533 --> 01:05:43,500
The only way that kind

2130
01:05:43,500 --> 01:05:44,366
of worked, we think--

2131
01:05:44,366 --> 01:05:44,633
Yeah.

2132
01:05:45,266 --> 01:05:45,966
[INAUDIBLE]

2133
01:05:45,966 --> 01:05:53,733
One other thing that I had

2134
01:05:53,733 --> 01:05:55,800
to do was I sent some pictures

2135
01:05:56,133 --> 01:05:58,066
from Steve Du Bois to

2136
01:05:58,066 --> 01:06:02,266
somebody from the last in the spring.

2137
01:06:03,199 --> 01:06:07,466
And he had commented to me that nobody

2138
01:06:07,466 --> 01:06:09,133
circled back with him.

2139
01:06:09,333 --> 01:06:10,333
I don't remember who I

2140
01:06:10,333 --> 01:06:12,500
guess Steve Du Bois from County

2141
01:06:12,500 --> 01:06:12,833
Tower.

2142
01:06:13,500 --> 01:06:13,633
[INTERPOSING VOICES] Yeah.

2143
01:06:13,633 --> 01:06:14,466
This is about the rain

2144
01:06:14,466 --> 01:06:15,366
that's flooding on the street.

2145
01:06:15,366 --> 01:06:15,600
Yeah.

2146
01:06:16,266 --> 01:06:18,566
So whoever was supposed to get those,

2147
01:06:18,766 --> 01:06:20,233
I'll have to see if I still have them.

2148
01:06:21,466 --> 01:06:22,933
I think I have them.

2149
01:06:22,933 --> 01:06:23,166
And then there's--

2150
01:06:23,166 --> 01:06:23,966
Did I give them to you?

2151
01:06:24,266 --> 01:06:25,266
History there that we

2152
01:06:25,266 --> 01:06:26,233
were working through.

2153
01:06:26,766 --> 01:06:27,233
Yeah.

2154
01:06:27,633 --> 01:06:27,866
OK.

2155
01:06:28,133 --> 01:06:29,066
I just wanted to make sure

2156
01:06:29,066 --> 01:06:31,466
whether I was dreaming it

2157
01:06:31,466 --> 01:06:32,500
or if I was getting something.

2158
01:06:33,266 --> 01:06:33,466
OK.

2159
01:06:34,533 --> 01:06:34,833
All right.

2160
01:06:35,433 --> 01:06:35,666
[INAUDIBLE]

2161
01:06:35,666 --> 01:06:35,766
[INAUDIBLE]

2162
01:06:35,800 --> 01:06:36,233
[INAUDIBLE]

2163
01:06:36,233 --> 01:06:38,466
[INAUDIBLE]

2164
01:06:38,466 --> 01:06:39,066
Got it.

2165
01:06:40,433 --> 01:06:40,866
All right.

2166
01:06:41,333 --> 01:06:42,333
And so I have--

2167
01:06:44,233 --> 01:06:44,733
Move to adjourn.

2168
01:06:46,600 --> 01:06:46,866
Second.

2169
01:06:47,500 --> 01:06:47,566
[INAUDIBLE]

2170
01:06:47,566 --> 01:06:48,066
All in favor?

2171
01:06:48,466 --> 01:06:49,033
Aye.

2172
01:06:49,533 --> 01:06:49,566
[INAUDIBLE]

2173
01:06:49,566 --> 01:06:53,166
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