stuff.
» Was a big moment against Boston.
Let's check it out.
» As always,
>> you guys doing
» good. Good to see you.
>> Should say maybe I'll catch a fire.
» You might be recording. Okay.
I just want to be there to help you.
>> That's reasonable.
>> How does that sound? Right. You have to
be there.
>> You can't control what happens.
I talked to my uncle this morning. I
told him I was going to be here. He
goes,
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>> Does anybody else feel
We're just going to figure out how to
get
FS5
on that TV.
» Well, we all have phones.
>> Yeah, I was watching them in Europe. My
wife had played the European trip. So
>> Oh, where were you?
>> Uh Prague.
» How was it? It's good. It's great.
>> I'd love to go to um Ireland.
>> I want to go back to
>> Yeah. supposed to be beautiful.
>> Oh my god.
» Hi, how are you?
» I brought snacks.
I have Oreos.
How are you?
>> How are you?
>> I'm good.
» Hi, Derek. How are you?
>> How's it going?
Thank you.
» Oh, that's the balls.
sort of force
by 5:30.
Fast.
Okay.
Now, yesterday
No, that's
definitely going to sit up.
Hello.
Go get it.
I know I have to offer this.
everyone. I'm going to start recording.
questions for a long
question.
I got a little for you.
Thank you.
» Okay.
Chris
and then it is consistent.
No,
» do you want to take one back at the top?
>> I do.
Me too. Question.
I'm not
okay.
Yes.
Thank you.
This is
probably
about
like the order
meetings under the finance committee is
Wednesday October 8th.
Great. I'd like to turn it over to the
problem.
>> Thank you, Madam Chair. I would like to
call the finance committee to order and
the order of business today is to review
the 206
proposed budget from authority
and we will start in order of asking the
commission of finance to give us a high
level overview of the 2026 proposed
budget and then we'll move into the
relevant department.
>> Good evening council. uh four starts for
that field. Uh in the back we have the
uh budget for 26 over here
each uh fund and revenue expenditures.
Uh we've also had historical analysis
compared with the overtime rate for each
department. Uh so show you from year to
date as of 9:30
242
see we also included open MBS for the
council to review
and the last document is analysis
the general fund just a few items
So the proposed 2026 budget is
120 million
uh which is a 3.17%
within the 2025 adopted budget by
3,71,747
the adopted 2025 budget compatible with
116 million 117 million
6.3%
of 2024
Real property tax increase by 5,949,4
that's 173
increased in 2025 without the budget a
2.39 tax rate increase from 1330 to
15.77.
Uh just for a historical analysis uh
from 2015 to 2025 the average percentage
of levy budget to levy to budget is
33.84%.
Projected 2026 level is only 32.66% of
the budget. So from 2015 to 2025
gradually decrease from 38.73 to 28.6.
An increase in waste collection fees
resulted in 2.329126
additional revenue for credit 2025
adopted budget. It equates to 110
increase annually for nom units which
equals to 2.12
per week
that 340 to 450 and $768
at 46 per week.
The proposed 2026 budget also asks for 2
million in appropriated fund balance.
Currently, this city has 18.9 million in
fund balance which is made up of
6.6 million restricted. This includes
reserve for debt 1.1 million. Capital
reserves about 4.3 million taxes of
858,000 and snow and ice 157,000
approximately litigation and claims
218,000 approximately and 6.2 2 million
for funds the 2020 which is part of it
is the 2025 adopted appropriate fund
balance and open orders.
>> Excuse me. D could you please tell me
that number again for the fund balance
the current fund balance 18.9.
>> Thank you.
>> But that's broken up into restricted and
assigned and unsigned.
We have about $6.1 million unassigned
funds with the city uh the city
utilizing 2 million fund balance for
2026. There'll approximately be 4.1
million left over funds. Um this also
see the city does not require more than
the 2025 adopted appropriate fund
balance at year end.
the 20 the 2026 retirement increased
by$1.1
million and 8.13%
increase from the 25 budget of $13,612
13,612,000
MVP health insurance increased by 12.49%
49% 15 million approximately 2025 post
2026 budget for 17 million and this uh
to the many factors including employment
growth medical trends pharmacy trend
stop loss premium increases uh including
utilization high cost payments uh
increase in specialty drugs these are
the one medications
um we are taking a very good proactive
measures reducing forecast from 19
million to 17 million budget uh by
leveraging key formal areas uh which
manages pharmacy spend and boosted
rebates and targeting plan design
adjustments.
The 2026 proposed budget debt service
increase by 6.79%
resulting in 632,000
additional cost that's 9.3 million to
9.9 million. We have union negotiations
that are up progress both 28 and 1037.
Uh we negotiated cost will come out
excuse me when negotiated the cost will
come out of fund balance.
Uh moving to the water fund.
budget for 26 reflects a
5.39% increase with the 25 2025 or
approximately $543,000.
This growth is driven by increased
operating cost to effort to support the
city's general fund
for proposed water budget liter
4.68
That's approximately 01082 per gallon or
1,00
gallons and meter water sales in city
commercial units 2.971 to 3.56594
per gallon or.59
per thousand gallons to close the
remaining budget gap city will
appropriate $485,751
from the water fund balance additionally
city fund transfer to the general fund
by appropriately by approximately
$400,000 providing for budgetary
support.
Sewer fund 2026 sewer fund request 6.04%
increase compared to the 2025 do budget
increase of $1 million. No fee increases
are advised for the proposed tour
budget. Appropriate debt reserve of
100,000 will be utilized to pay off
debt. Transfer to the general fund has
increased by $100,000 from approximately
2.2 2 million to 8.3 million
post
request 8.54% compared to the 2025
budget. This is a marginal increase of
131,000.
A modest rate of adjustments anticipated
and will be addressed in January 2026 on
prior practices.
The capital budget the proposed capital
budget for 2026 totals approximately
11.4 4 million which includes 6.2
million demo 376,000 golf 1.9 million
reorder and 2.9 million
and requests which in request of which
1.3 million capital reserves and 800,000
state funds for net share of 9.3
million.
» Thank you for the
Commission.
Um, we'll now go into the detail of the
revenue. We'll start with revenue and
then we'll probably
» Thank you.
>> Oh, sorry. I was
>> Can you please provide council members
talking?
» Thank you.
So we'll go into revenue
if you can just walk us through.
>> Yeah. I'm just going to go some key
facilities from the general plan
for sales and use tax. U we received
18.7 approximately 20.46.
Uh these numbers also verify the county
our county sales tax,
door of 70025k
26.
>> What was that last number?
>> 700,000
» uh trash charges paid 2138. The city
anticipates receiving approximately 203
million more revenue for 2026 from 7
The excess waste fee this revenue has
been removed as no legislation has been
passed.
Fines parking city has received 640k for
the budget
640k budget 910,000 for 2025
anticipating the same figure in 2026. We
have the new revenue code speed side
counters for schools. Uh with announces
from the police department, we're
estimating approximately 2.300 to 20.6.
The profiles uh estimating 400,000 for
2026
sale homes that houses A260A with we are
anticipating $30 million in revenue for
2026
per capita state aid
if you will,6
context the city has received a
in 2015
to uh current 2025
that didn't figure.
>> Which one was that again please?
>> That is the capital state.
>> Oh 89k.
>> Okay. Thank you.
>> We are receiving a temporary
8301.3
million in 2026. There's no guarantee
that it will exceed this amount of
future meters.
The license 83089H
2020 the city received approximately 3.9
million in revenue anticipates 4 million
again 2025 budget 4.1 million6
again this is based upon funding as well
the appropriate fund balance 85996
budget also ask for 2 million
appropriate fund balance currently the
city at 189 million fund balance which
6.6 million and discuss this earlier
during the key overview. Um so again if
the city was 2.2 2 million fund balance
approximately 4.1 million sign
and this again this assumes that we
don't uh require more in 2025
federal co assistance art 8499
as everyone
aware of funds remain
» are there any questions
to the revenue
Just making sure I I was my questions
got answered in advance. So I just want
to make sure I don't have any additional
questions before we move on.
>> Go ahead, please.
>> Um under A1170
grand.
Um I know it looks like the electric
solid waste. What specifically is that the 720,000?
>> All right. What was that? um under
revenue. Yeah. Franchises.
» What's the number?
>> A17
project.
>> So I I know we get some utility first
receipts.
I was just wondering is it electric
fable gas um solid waste specifically
are those detail receipts
that
question I'll get back to you. Thank
you.
» Go ahead, please.
>> Um,
well, it doesn't have a code yet called
new. It's on page 12,
please.
>> Police department. So, I don't know if
they're in the room,
but maybe detail to that.
>> Thank you. What what line is that again,
please?
>> It doesn't have a line. It's on page 12.
It says new.
» Can you make a note?
>> We'll email and try to get an answer
with regard to the program.
» Any other question regarding revenue?
>> Not that we have anything.
>> Yes, that's we'll make notes and We'll
revisit two questions regarding the
revenue section.
» And if you have not submit question,
please you can answer it. It's not late.
You can submit your question regarding
the revenue and we'll get answers.
>> Okay, we'll move on. We'll move to city
council
commissioner. You just give us give us a
walk highlight.
Any question we'll ask and then move
forward into the next um
department.
>> I can tell you that I did an email and
they didn't respond. Not just now
responded just yet.
I'm pretty sure that
I list them and list
the documentation and then once we are
That's great.
» We'll make sure we go through all the
questions that the answers are there and
that we'll just have to revisit it and
ask.
» So, council P10,0007,000
4,45 increase. Uh this is just a
reduction of some other expense line
items looking at your dates that
we made a decision to do some
» 104 that there
» can you tell us what those reductions
Why are they producing
year to date we have 2030 there are
16,000 and 24,000
uh last time we checked the year it's
going to be around that figure so
to reduce that by $10,000
and
So conserves us the budget proposed
budget and 24 zeros actual usage.
>> Um so we felt that we could reduce it by
another 235.
>> Do we have a year to date on that?
>> Uh it's in the packet.
Are there any questions?
>> Seeing none, we'll move to the Mia
office 8 12.
>> Okay.
office increased by 3.29% from 395,000 5
to 48,000 to $13,000 increase. Um
there's uh increases due to um one one
to the executive salary for the U
secretary to keep in mind with the
chief's uh executive secretary
um and the $3,000 for the director of
operations uh for outside working hours.
» Go ahead.
>> So you're saying for the executive
secretary to keep in line with the
police chief's executive secretary and
fire chief executive.
>> Okay. Um
would be similar. And how about the
length of service? That was that taken
consideration as well?
>> No, it was not. um we have different
duties.
to engage
» but I thought the engagement was based
on similar based on the fact that
there's
any other question.
Let's
find out
the other HR
unless you want to sit with us
process. So we'll do receipts and that
is on page 16
overview for receipts 1325.97%
from 339,000
approximately 27 37
staff.
» You just want to give us
» Did you have specific questions?
>> No, just can just give us an overview of
what's happening.
» We don't need to talk about
similar to last year.
>> Yeah, there's there's really not a lot
of it was shady. I mean, we did try to
trim down um some of the extens
we bring that back a little bit. What I
propose I think we I think with the more
foreclosures that we've had and then
sending out less leny notice is more
people are paying but it's still
sizable. So, we have to take the race
into consideration. Um my real estate
tax specialist salary was um raised by
an MOA um that was retroactive to
January. So that we see that um jump
there
and then we have longevity increased
this year as well. So that did affect a
few of us as far as that increase.
Overall it's
very small.
Are there any questions?
» Thank you so much.
>> I wish we had everything.
Thank you.
>> We'll do um we'll skip into HR and that
is on page 21
please.
Page 2130
from 450
hours 4,614.
» Just want to give us a little summary.
Anything that
highlight anything significant?
>> Um there is not a big increase in salary
as well. I mean my my budget sorry
um we have the two CSA full-time
employees
salary increases are based on that um
management ones the HR administrator
action officer are at the 3% one that is
higher as a manager
but that employees salary in line with
other same level management
Salaries similarities
longevity
receiving that $1,000 each
part.
As far as expenses,
they're pretty much either the same or
lower.
last
part.
>> Yes.
>> Any question?
>> I mean, I'm sorry. Go ahead, please.
>> So, in terms of the salaries of those
increases, if they're percentage of
increase on salaries,
» the salaries specifically
So there's certain positions within
there that are CCA that are being so
shown from 25 to 26. These 25 numbers
are from the 24 budget.
So the increase in 2025
this doesn't reflect the increase they
receive in 2025 plus increase they're
receiving6.
Any
other questions? Go ahead, please. So,
make sure I'm reading this. Where are
they?
So, uh, A1430, our
anti-racism training,
$15,000. I think that's gone. Can we use
that in 2025? We haven't used that
in budget either 23 or 24 that 24 either
25 we haven't used any I don't believe
um but we do have other options uh the
insurance company um we have something
called Grisk
uh and there's plenty of models on there
we actually had discussion the firmament
action officer the last couple days and
they're going to help us
implement some of these modules
I believe there's
numerous modules that seem to utilize
so but we haven't utilized those up
until this point
>> those modules
>> no we're going to be in a month or two
>> are social.
>> Uh yes, they are wonderful if we do ask
for certain departments who they can be
in person.
>> I guess my question is why we never had
the training
was budgeted and and clearly a need was
there. That's why it's put in there. Is
there a reason that we never implemented
the training?
>> Go ahead.
>> We tried to put training in place.
offered to it. It's the city council
that hasn't been able to
do the training and the timing.
>> Well, the city council would never
specifically say we'd like to do the
training and could you recommend
somebody and if it's in the budget for
the human resources, then I would think
that it would be under the human
resources to pull that train together.
There's no objection from the city
council because we weren't asked.
>> The record will reflect a different
process.
to bring us here today.
» And I I don't um step back and say that
we clearly something has happened more
recent most recently that we it's not
something training that we need to take
out and it really needs to be I know
there was one training I attended it by
insurance companies um and I think that
it need more and um again based on our
recent occurrence I don't think it's
something that we write out of the
budget something we need to make sure
that we implement and fairly um virtual
because that just means a person can
give a screen but you can make
interaction.
Are there any other question
for
seeing none? Thank you so much. The rest
of the evening
we're going to move into
the rest of the evenings.
Just a quick overview,
949,500
28,000 central.
Good evening, council members, mayor.
Uh
budget has
requests um
corporation council salary, a deputy
full-time deputy corporation council and
full-time assistant corporation council
as well as one part-time assistant
corporation council. So rather than have
multiple part-time assistant corporation
council. We've switched to a model of
having three full-time attorneys and one
part-time attorney.
In terms of the office staff, um the
records access officer
uh position remains the code enforcement
specialist line has been replaced with a
paralleal to line. Um confidential
secretary
received an increase of about 3%
and there's an IPS3
would receive an increase for the
contract.
In terms of the rest of the budget, we
have postage.
We've budgeted a little more for that
this coming year. There's a lot of
postage because of the foreclosure
mailing that we have to do.
Administration expenses, advertising,
fees for services. There's no budget for
travel conferences.
>> $85,000 for outside legal counsel,
$40,000 for litigation costs and
expenses, 2500 for supplies,
maintenance agreements, and then there's
zero for tuition and reimbursement.
And um that is our relatively simple
budget question. to answer any questions
we council have.
>> So, I just want to clarify. So, what
you're saying is that the three
full-time and the one part-time
um will make up for these various
assistant councils part-time that are on
the next
right here.
>> Yeah, you're seeing those because this
reflects um last year and this year. So
yes, the money that would have gone for
part-time attorneys is now going for
full-time salaries.
>> I think that's that's
just
» uh we currently
transition.
Go ahead.
your state on the council.
» 4402.
440. Yes.
» And this as of September 30th, 2025.
» Are there any other question for
cooperation?
See none. Thank you so much.
Okay, we will back and then we'll go
into finance and we'll go through.
» Sorry.
So, let's do
page
1974
and 481.
>> I'm sorry. What page is it?
>> Thank you.
>> At the bottom
25 26 it's a 4.5% increase from 356,000
approximately 350,000
that had approximately $16,650
difference.
So judgments and claims has been
increased to 300,000.
Certiary actions has been decreased to
50,000.
Um reducing the total budget of judgment
claims%.
» Go ahead please.
>> Um yes could based on that we get we um
I'd like to know how we be reduced
made.
What is our actual date on those?
1930.
» Thank you. Turkey 482 or 481.
>> 481.
We haven't refunded.
>> We haven't had any funds this year that
I can think of. So
at this time it would be zero.
>> I thought we done something.
» I thought we done at least one
>> one Broadway tower.
>> No, one peter refund.
>> Yeah. The only I think of is one
Broadway Tower which um is currently
adjourned. Uh and so nothing has been
paid out and nothing has been settled on
that place.
» Go ahead.
>> Yeah. So back just a little bit. So how
long have we been fully staffed?
>> Um for about a month.
>> Oh my good. I mean, is there a reason
why we're spending so much money on
outside legal counsel? Do you feel like
being that you're fully staffed now,
we'll be able to
>> It may look like a lot, but it's it's
just not. There's a lot of
specialized litigation that is required
that takes a tremendous amount of time.
If you wanted to replace that line,
you'd have to put
>> probably at least, excuse me, two
full-time
>> you know, very specialized attorneys to
replace that because we use outside
counsel to um in specialized areas to
deal with certain um special issues that
come up,
>> right? So uh although it looks like a
lot of lawyers charge a lot of money
certainly uh and there are legal issues
that come up that it's more efficient to
uh hire outside
>> right cuz I can imagine like if it's
something specialized by the time we
have somebody to do all the research but
it's better more efficient to do it that
way.
>> Exactly.
>> So do you think that based on our um but
being fully staffed now do you don't
expect to see that number go down at
all?
No, I mean we
the office. So we we had last year
multiple part-time attorneys.
>> Mhm.
>> So now instead of having multiple
part-time attorneys, we still have one
part-time attorney, but we have it. It's
basically a shift of the time. So
instead of using partnering part-time
attorney a time, we're using full-time
attorney time.
>> Yeah.
>> In order to keep the budget balanced.
from last year.
>> Okay. So, you don't really see any
really Okay. Okay. So, it's not
necessarily going to impact the budget.
It's just where the workloads being
concentrated now versus it was kind of
split up among multiple people.
>> Yeah.
>> But, but so it's not a matter of
capacity then. No, I mean it may go down
slightly, but it depends on how many
lawsuits the city winds up in that are
not covered by insurance. Um, and how
many specialized legal issues come up.
Um, maybe we won't have any lawsuits
anymore and then
>> then we we could get that number down.
>> Good way to start with that and start
some of these trainings maybe.
>> Good way to start. Mr. Chairman and the
collective bar
expired
at the beginning of this year through
negotiations were still fairly far apart
going into mediation and there's a good
chance that that contract will go into
binding our treasure. Our agreement with
the county with the sales tax is they
provide counsel to us for labor
negotiations up to but not including
mining arbitration. That would be
expensive and this budget reflects that
and
just the reality of what we're dealing
>> in terms of outside.
>> Correct.
» Go ahead please. Just expanding on your
definition of specialized skill sets. Um
does that reflect skill sets not
currently captured or is that a general
term addressing another category all
itself?
>> Um I mean it can it means specialized uh
council. So like what I meant by that
statement is like for example we are in
extended litigation with another
municipality over um
is it sewer or water?
there are things that come up that like
for example we needed
an attorney to handle a very specialized
assessment issue
um that
you know that we hired a law firm with
an attorney that has handled those kinds
of cases in the past like normally we
handle taxerts in house this is a taxert
that the city had to bring itself
against another municipality so there
are just things that come up There's
arbitration, there's contract
negotiations with unions. Um trying to
think of what else
but there's various issues that come up
that are dealt with from day to day and
that's the reality of of
the dayto day.
» Any other question for corporation?
Seeing none, I think this one. Thank
you.
All right.
So, we'll back up and go back and go
into finance
and commission of finance. Can you walk
us through everything from finance has
been page 14?
We'll work our way through all the
finance
categories.
Finance
page 14
the finance decreased by 15.67% 67% from
497,7197
that's approximately $78,000
increase
also the deputy commissioner district's
currently vacant
within that order for lines are status
quo this covers
audit or any fees associated.
We have our bond council
from the administrative expenses and
fees for services lines.
We have travel for conference lines
still in the budget
$20,000 for inservice training,
$6,000 for supplies.
already had a question finance
administration.
>> Yeah. What's uh can you tell a little
bit about uh the 136 the stipen
>> sorry the 36,000?
>> Yeah. What's that?
>> That is uh for my uh the commissioner
and the deputy commissioner for afterour
meetings um has been budgeting that
Go ahead, please.
>> Um,
hi. Um, the assist the open position of
the deputy commissioner, do you think
that you will be um, you know, trying to
fill that or?
>> Yes, we went through an extensive
process. Uh, unfortunately, you didn't
find candidate position. Um we'll
probably open up uh 2026
finance department.
>> Thank you.
>> Go ahead please.
» It's it's multiple uh things but uh the
majority is it audit services that we
have an annual basis. uh audit firm
comes in at the end of the year usually
in December they do a soft audit and
then they come in March
for two weeks.
So I know that our fire station is still
working on some
department.
» And what's our year to date on the
stipen?
>> Um it's less than 3,000. Uh,
» are there any questions? Financial
administration.
Seeing none, I'll move on to accounts on
dispersement page 15.
The council dispersement 1315
increased by 11%
51,14 to 39640 approximated 30,000
entries all positions are filled within
this department
raises
union
as well as the management increase
the 100 lines and Under lines are again
basically status quo. We did nitpick
some of the lines and reduce
accordingly.
Any questions?
>> Go ahead please.
>> Thank you. Which ones were which um job
items were contractual?
>> Um we had involved the cabinet the
senior audit a clerk and the mail and
accounts clerk.
>> Okay. Just the two of them,
>> right?
>> I'm sorry. What was the first one?
>> The accounting.
>> Oh, the
>> senior life and counseling.
» Go ahead, please.
>> So, the accountant salary
is right. It's increase of over $1,000.
You said that was contractual.
>> Uh, yes. So, it was contractual. Also,
they received an increased step to to
all the work they provide, especially
Since we are finishing deputy
commissioner soc
» and oh yeah the whole so the $10,000
raise for the accounting supervisor and
$11,000 raise for the accountants.
Was
the male and account clerk an ARPA
position before?
>> I mean, did we pay for it last year out
of ARPA?
>> Okay. So, I was just concerned. I kind
of thought it was, but um just was
wondering about that. Thank you.
» More sense
increase the position will be eventually
still that position still
» position for the three and understand
the justification now definitely with
not having fully staff departments
having exceptional team members that are
still in place that do the work is
definitely a rarity so I appreciate
those individuals accepting a challenge
but sincerely the expectation it won't
be too fill it once that happens that
work
with them or should not.
>> Um I mean in my opinion for this
specific individual uh this individual
the city probably 27 plus years now has
a lot of knowledge
and
so they're a huge asset to the team. Uh
and this is also my department head
to look at for example development and
assessment.
Um there hasn't been a junior
accountant. Are they looking to put
someone in that position?
>> No, not at this time.
Accountant previously the junior
accountant has increased their
responsibilities.
>> Thank you.
» You had a question.
>> So right
now there's a hiring increase and so
would that impact you trying to hire
people for these positions
>> or the deputy commissioner.
>> Currently, we're not looking at this
group.
>> Not intended to do it until we go
through the budget first.
» Any other questions?
We'll move to page 29
insurance.
And please if you have question
I'm taking notes so please call me out.
I would I'm trying to keep up with the
soon
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insurance 10.7
insurance by 6% from 1.455
553 of 42,0002
just in comparison for 25 um increase by
11% from 1.3 to 14.
» Are there any questions regarding the
unallocated insurance?
Seeing none, we'll move to the next page
on the top of page 30. Undistributed
item expense other miscellaneous
undistributed expense.
The uned
expense of the display 1989.
Um budget
removed the senior center from the
budget currently. Um the total energy
expenses increased by 19.15% from
355,000 to 423,68,000
increase.
I believe there was a question about
contingency that was answered
that
sorry
for questions about funds and majority
of that is for emergency demolitions
for seeing emergencies throughout the
year.
Are there any questions?
» I'm sorry.
» Yeah, it's good for you to take on that.
» Maybe just tell us the page too on that
one.
is currently at $282,58.
» Any additional questions?
See now
page
63
employee employee benefits
» page 63.
>> Yes.
Bottom section
» benefits
1910 through 89896
the employ 8.72% 39
6 million to 43 million increase
the retirement figures which is based
off the state's projections and our
health
Um the comparison the 25 total benefits
increase about 8.07%.
» Are there any questions?
>> Yes. Um under 89 8989
840 is testing. It went from 10,000 down
to 6,000.
And is it
things that we have using it.
So if you look at 23 24
6,000 for 23,000 for
Um, I believe that was in line with
those figures for 25.
Commission for the record. So these
increases are driven because of the
increase in market risk.
» There's multiple factors
medical
in the beginning or the year. Um so it's
the lower part.
» Do you do you have the performance in
place for these?
Do you have to perform an invoice for
these inputs or
>> so currently
>> just
>> yeah we do have estimates for these um
currently I believe we're looking
between um 18 million approximately a
little over 18 million um or for 2025 uh
but we taking proactive steps to reduce
these costs so uh we felt uh pretty
confident uh we have a $17 million for
2026.
» Are there any question of the benefit?
Go ahead, please.
>> So, you said it's like an 8% increase
overall in our in the benefits expense.
Um, yeah, that seems pretty low. I mean,
I would have expected it to be higher
with health insurance and all, but good
job in terms proactive steps to reduce
those costs, different formularies.
>> Um,
really good at working with our own
scientists.
>> Great. Thank you.
>> Any other questions?
>> Go ahead, please.
>> Thank you. The human standalone PO is
just that no one participates in that
any longer. A 9060.
» A 9060.
You may understand the comp
that is um we don't use that anymore.
That is now Medicare Advantage plan.
>> Medicare advantage. Okay.
>> And what line is Medicare Advantage?
>> The one right above
» or USA Care Ps.
>> Okay.
>> USA.
Yeah. Okay.
Are there any other question for the
benefit section?
See now we'll move into that service
page
65
bottom section.
So the 2026 total debt service by 6.79%
approximately
to respond here.
» Any specific questions?
» Any question?
>> So our in the once 9785700
our increase our interest doubled
It depend. Yes. It depends on how much
we borrow. So for I think last year we
borrowed quite a bit here too. Um and
we're doing pretty solidation
notes. Uh we got rates for 125 capital.
Uh one rate was 30%.
Uh over that same period the majority of
the rates were only 4%.
Mr. Chairman, I'd like to give a
breakdown of what
the
interest.
» Yeah, the capital.
» What line items I can ask you? I just
want to
» 700. Yes. Got
a question regarding this?
Seeing none, I think we have complete
our finance um categories.
Mr. Chair, um commissioner, I'm missing
any I don't think so.
>> Am I missing any of your
categories?
>> I think After all,
um,
if you want to get the veteran service,
» let's let's go back one more time.
Yeah. Can you tell us the pages?
>> Page number programs on page 55.
So we reduced that to zero. Um one of
the questions from council um indicated
there's other types of funing out there.
Our director of development indicated
there's possible CD funding that could
source this
coverage
of it.
Can can the council get a copy of those
uh documents to show that there is
funding available?
» She's working up some of the things so
that
I don't know if she can give you an
exact number
» but essentially designating another
funding stream takes away from other
efforts that
floor. I just feel it's more of a
commenting
taper. They send a very negative message
not singularity for our youth also to
just investment in their continued
involvement across the city.
So,
I would just again, you know, this has
always been a area where I've been really strong on
and making sure that we did this. And I
think that we need to consider the fact
that,
you know, there's money to be saved um
in other areas and we save on expenses
when youth are proactively engaged in
pro-social activities as well as, you
know, the circulation of the money um
that we're spending staying um within
our local economy. Um, I just think that
that's something that we we need to uh
strongly consider and for it to be kind
of completely xed out and not um,
you know, just completely done away with
I think is uh,
not only glaring a glaring mistake, but
it it really undermines what we've been
expressing our values to be as a city
here. are just that's pretty
disappointing.
» Any other questions? Go ahead.
>> Yeah, I I also u would like to see the
youth employment uh line back in even if
it was at a a different rate. Um we had
a really successful youth employment uh
program this summer hiring uh 42
youth uh that worked in our parks and
really it's the labor but also it's
really the the career skills the
mentoring of our uh of their supervisor
um it was really a valuable resource but
I do think that you know as we work
through the rest of the budget and we
come to the end and we have to then
start to negotiate around um all of
these lines where there's been changes
that we all um you know feel strongly
about that. I do hope that we are able
to get back that funding um and I guess
the discussions will play that out as we
move into that segment of our budget
negotiations.
» Any other question? I really agree it's a very important line. Um looking
at some of the other lines where we're
doing a lot of prevention um uh or
actually it's not prevention they say
it's prevention but it's like after
we're doing treatment. So this is like
preventive measure in terms of our youth
and our investment in them. So I would
have to support that as well that we
should definitely look at putting
something back in the budget especially
since Mr. has indicated that Miss Carver
is going to look at something that is
lesser amount. So, we should definitely
make sure that we I would ask that we
funded at that amount minimally at the
amount that we did last year.
» And I also think that knowing that
there's
possible funding available is different
than knowing that there's funding that
we'll be able to access. I think that we
need to make a distinction of that when
we're clear distinction around that
while we're having this conversation
because there's funding that might be
out there um isn't the same as making
sure that there's funding there. And I
almost see, you know, I'm
half cynically hoping that this was kind
of like we'll cut this out completely
and then when uh
Demani starts to say what are we doing
then we'll give them a little bit like
I'm I'm hoping that that was because I I
can't see a budget a serious budget
where we are completely considering
taking out our youth employment and you
serve or which I would like to refer to
the youth services line. I think that would be
truly irresponsible.
>> I mean last year we had a passionate
discussion about this money. I think all
council member were in support of uh
funding this. I think uh we settle at
150,000 and then we did eventually did
an amendment sort of house funding for
funding to reallocate $18,000.
Would it would it be possible for you to
find out what is available against that amended allocation?
» And where are we at the year to date
with that now?
» I think this packet is actually all year
to dates if you wanted to look it up.
>> Yeah, look it up. Come
on.
We use follow
right now.
» I am
» here
to 89289.
So, and if you remember last year's
conversation, I was trying to
strongly advocate for us to increase
that line because of the great need. So,
the fact that we exceeded that line
uh and now we're
considering completely removing it.
Again, I just hope that that's more of a
measure of negotiation than it is
something that's rooted in a reality for
us.
>> Mr. advance.
>> Yeah, I think also we do need to enter
into discussions with the school
district around support for this as
well. As a matter of fact, I think that
our parks director has initiated some of
those discussions. Um the program was
very successful. I think the school
district was very supportive of it as
well. Um and the you know the youth
really it was just a very valuable
experience. I think we're going to need
to do what we you know to to try to to
try to make the number. I will also say
um you know 42 students. It was a lot of
supervision uh that was required by one
individual. Um and I think that person
enjoyed it. Um but um you know we have
to take that into consideration as well.
Um in terms of the supervision because
we want to make sure that the students
are getting you know a really valuable
experience as well.
>> You mentioned I think I missed regarding
the $108,000.
Did you say that um an update was
submitted or it's been worked on in
terms of how many money was spent
against that reallocation?
>> Yes, for the 180k funding.
>> Can you can you please uh look into that
and provide us with the
>> the available funding?
Go ahead, please. uh to Miss Patrick's
point around the super vision aspect
originally um in the very beginning of
this uh project we had the county on as
a partner because they already kind of
had the infrastructure to do some of
that. They came on um as a partner
actually I don't believe it cost us
anything um for them to partner with us.
I'm not exactly sure why we moved away
from that model, but that might be one
way to if if we can kind of take, you
know, delve out exactly how much money
was
effort into the whole supervision
aspect. I'm sure that based on our
partnerships with the county, we could
they might be interested in revisiting
that and therefore we can kind of
relieve some of the stress of the
program there.
>> Go ahead, please. I I agree with both
Patrick and Mr. Farley. I mean, as far
as the school district, I think they
have a huge um this is a huge asset to
them. We're pulling everyone from the
school district and and the county as
well. So, I think it should be multiple
you can get to your 300 our 300,000
because we we can't not support our
>> I I think part of the discussion is to
bring all the agency you know involve uh
part of this uh effort to support a
youth employment program. So having a
county, a school and a city together, it
will help bring those numbers up. And I
think impossible like you say there is
support for this line, every member last
year on into this year.
>> Last year we didn't.
>> Yes,
>> we didn't fund the line.
>> Well, we did fund it 150 plus,
>> but is it enough? Absolutely not. So we
did our best. We did our best.
Um, so, um, Mr. You're going to find out
how much of that $18,000 is left for us.
>> Yes. I'll speak with our director.
» Okay. Is there any other question
regarding this line?
>> Okay. Uh, we'll move down
the very same page.
One of the nothing much here to talk
about
historical submission are any other
section
mention
» are So,
» no,
we're just looking
» page 52 subsection.
>> I was looking
trying to recall conversations about
that
fees for service.
>> We'll have the assessment
assessor here next
>> Wednesday.
>> Next meeting. expensive.
>> Yeah, we'll go through with the assessor
budget and then the board's assessment
page 52 top section.
» This is straightforward.
page 52 veterans service.
>> As you can see, there's no change or
adjustment
budgeted for 9,000 this year for 26 and
for the same
question. Go ahead, please.
What do we rent this from?
The rental of the boat. What are we
renting?
I don't know if
>> organization
places in different buildings if you
offset some cross.
Any other questions?
I think this time we complete all the
finance.
Yeah.
» Police.
» Anybody would like to take a break
water? Okay. We'll then move them to
we'll move them to the five department.
» Oh,
please. Um
39 page 39 section.
Go ahead. Go ahead. Give us a little
budget by 1.3%
14 million approximately to 13.9 million
that happened in approximately
28
negotiations.
» You just want to give us some of what's
happening.
ask me to talk about fire department.
>> Uh so I know one of the questions was uh
any open positions. So I'll address that
real quick here just to get a better
understanding. Right now we're at 121
firefighters, but that's not realized.
That's not boots on the ground. We're at
106
uh firefighters that are active duty.
The 15 are in school. 13 are in Hudson
Valley after medical school and two are
in uh music of fire academy. So, those
13 we will not see until next December.
Okay. Uh, moving forward, we're going to
have seven known openings by March of
26, and there's potentially five or six
more that may be leaving by the end of
25th. So, while we just hired 15, we're
barely keeping our heads above the
water. Um, so it's currently 99
call. Uh, other than that, EMS calls are
up 3.4% at 10,113 to date. Right now
we're projected about um 13,700 calls.
Our readiness um operational readiness
has increased. We took delivery of our
Lucas automated CPR machines. They will
deliver continuous uninterrupted
efficient CPR. Uh our new EKG monitors
on last year's capital project will be
in service by next month. Uh station one
has their generator in service. Uh so
all station one will be powered with a
power outage that we're seeing happen
more often. Uh new generators for
station three and four should be updated
soon are installed. New HVAC HVAC system
has been completed. That includes a new
floor and a new ceiling and duct work.
Uh so the conditions at station one for
our most valuable resource or people uh
has improved. Like I said, they're
working a tremendous amount of hours. So
we're starting to see that physical
toll. Um we're trying to address some of
that staffing shortage with change in
our civil service language uh for the um
candidates applying. So good news uh by
next week the civil service the next
little step should be announced for
firefighters and it is on January 10th
for anybody that wants to be done on
connect city firefighter. Uh come and
take a test give us a call we'll help
you get there. Uh we're going to do that
physical ability test to get on our job.
How are we going to lower those barriers
for entry? But that does not mean we're
going to lower our standards. Right? So
that physical agility test is going to
be offered inhouse and we're going to
open that to the candidates to come work
on the course before they actually take
the test. Hopefully prep them a little
bit better and get more people to our
table so we have better options moving
forward. Um and we'll start to uh talk
with the second school district once
again on trying to get the EMT program
off the ground for moving the school
district. give them a pathway, give our
students a pathway to emergency services
like that.
>> Okay,
we'll just go through to the department
by admin.
>> Mhm.
>> Any I don't think there's any
significant change here because the
budget and the contract is still in
negotiations. there's no increase and if
there's any increases contractual for
the
invol specialist I want to say yeah
there's some increase there
» any question regarding the fire
administration section
>> please
>> just clarification for u there's an info
processing specialist for um and it's
point
25.
>> Yeah. Well, it's three. It was 0.5 in
2025 and now it's
>> 30.
>> Okay.
>> So, we were supposed to hire uh from one
of our ladies retiring back in June and
we haven't hired yet hiring threes. Uh
she anticipated to be retiring first
part of next year. So, that's a
reduction in time.
>> Thank you.
Just you mentioned that trying to uh
change the language of the civil
service.
>> That's correct.
>> Tell me a little bit more about that.
>> Uh so we took away the college credit
hours. Uh we provide them the college
credit hours when they come in between
the academy and Hudson Valley. It also
opens our options when we hire these big
groups uh hopefully hire these large
groups that we if we have a college
requirement we have
and they wouldn't be able to handle
maybe if we say I'm just going to pick
another 20 people they wouldn't have
enough spots for us. So this will allow
us to go to uh different fire academy
such as the state fire academy at Montto
Falls maybe Westchester County that's the big change then along with
that physical desk
>> that sounds so kind of to your point you
might change the entry threshold but
you're not changing the expectation
correct or the quality service. That's
awesome. Thank you.
>> We're going to invest in our people get
in the door and invest.
>> That's awesome man. Thank you. Any
other questions? We'll move on.
>> Oh, I they could be anywhere in this. Do
you know how we compare um salary wise
to other municipalities?
>> Um I believe we're low especially at the
starting level. I think it's around 50
something,000 or 49. I don't have the
data.
Okay, we'll move into emergency medical
services page 40 bottom section
» anything you need to highlight there.
» No, it's pretty standard report from
last year.
Go ahead.
>> I'm sorry. Big decrease in overtime. You
just don't count that at some
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8412.
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>> Yeah. So that's um that overtime is for
continue education is contractual. We
pay them out for the amount of time that
they do continue education. Some of the
details, the EMS details that we uh we
provide. Um, and then our QAQI
uh for our quality assurance and our EMS
calls, they review the PCRs uh once a
month, the end of the month, every
month. Um, and then EMS meetings. So, it
just decreased a little bit just based
on where the salaries are for that
content. That would be a big fluctuation
there.
>> Chief, you want to touch on the 40 46
8411 46
>> any service training?
>> Yes.
>> Yeah. So, that went up. So that's school for um
the cost of school for 18 positions, but
those 18 positions are both over the
hiring for this year through next year
and then um additional positions for
next year.
>> Miss Yeah, I'm just trying to for the
mayor. Um I think we all got the email
about um there's a bill for the governor
that take EMS out of um being counted
towards the tax cap. Mayor would have
any that would I'm not sure the time
frame in terms of signing that impact
this budget in terms of tax
>> the uh governor's office he's not moved
on it
so right now I'm assuming that it will
impact on this
» thanks
» go ahead chief I know you talked about
the success of the program um kind of
bring on candidates and giving them the
curriculum and the tools they need to
succeed and qualify for positions. Is
there a point where you think you will
be right sized? What I mean by that is
usually catch up just due to the lack of
I think you highlighted applicants for
the
on the testing
what was the uh job placement whatever metric or program they used to
apply into. I guess my question is is
there a balance where we'll get to
having like new replacing the the
outgoing firefighters because what
happens similar to the military is you
open it to increase your applicant pool
but then as you fill your position you
can become more stringent. So do you see
this program as always existing or
trying to get through kind of the low
and and higher?
>> So that's a tough question to answer
because I can't predict the future and
how many people are retiring. is
definitely becoming a younger job when
we're seeing a lot of that legacy
knowledge leave and that experience and
that concerns me because that translates
into safety, right? And having that
experience to realize, you know, how how
far am I going in this houseire? Am I
getting in too deep? Uh so realistically
maybe yes, you know, we could we could
tighten down some things, but at the
same time maybe we're getting better
candidates.
» Any other questions?
So now we'll move to the bottom page by
typing A412
highlights
>> uh the overtime line the 341212.
» Yep. 1.475 million. Um, so we were
looking at a little bit more with I know
we always talk about it. Chief Realing
best question. The people going out the
door. Some of that is covered in the
open salary line. So if we have I'm
going to say I retire in January. We're
budgeted for my salary for the whole
year. So we're saving some money there.
At that 1.475, we have no room for
error. Too many people out the door will
be upside down on this.
» Questions?
on the firefight section.
>> Go ahead, please.
>> Um, under the firefighter academy
341200.
So, is that some of the money that's up
there? I mean, um, school for the 18
positions because there's nothing
budgeted on this line.
>> I'm sorry, what?
>> Which line?
>> Um, A3412100
firefighter academy. As here we budgeted
47,21.
This year you have zero. Yeah, I think
she just moved.
» Go ahead. Uh chief, there's always a
point of conversation with people, you
know, just talking about the I mean, but
calls that don't necessarily the fire,
but you respond to is there any way to
differentiate those like calls where you
do have to send a rig or do have to send
staff, but they're for identify just who
are the again
users and his arrows has identified that
community as a way to put other
resources address that ongoing just
drain of our system if that makes sense.
>> Yeah. So there could be a lot of ideas
like one of them would be community
parame medicine but it comes at a huge
cost right part of community parame
medicine would be put people on for
followup then you've been discharged
from the hospital or we've came and we
see what your problem is and have you
taken your medication right just to
follow up with that but that comes with
a huge cost to have more people staffing
what fire engine you may send a fly cars
so there's different ways to address
that I know one of the mayor's things is
how can we reduce some of these calls
and maybe look at dispatch. Uh there's all kinds of ideas getting them
implemented and better education is
always a hurdle. So we're definitely
trying to work on the education
component. When to call 911 91, right? I
got a small cup. I don't need to call
911.
But if I explain, I I don't disagree
with you. I think my only point of
concern is in your budget there was a
cut to the public safety foundation
fund. I think my caution is just where
do you place or how do you incorporate
that education?
It's going to be tough but going to be
probably a lot more word of mouth social
media uh that brought me
ahead please. I do know a few years.
>> He's taking notes.
>> I do know a few years ago you were
working on something very similar to
that prototype out
with Chief Marino um to uh um assess the
situation and give them appointment the
next day for an urgent care or things
like that. Is is that something that
you're talking about that could be
>> still doing that? had recent
conversations this week with MVP to look
at uh their whole subscriber base in the
city of Skenctity. How do you better
manage those? How do you direct people
to the appropriate level of service?
Most people do not need the full suite
of services that are available in an
emergency department. absent trauma,
cardiac event, stroke, most people can
go to an urgent care, go to their own
physician, seek some other level of uh
care. In the emergency room, you get the
other people in this chief's outline. it
backs up that facility and sometimes the
people who really need the higher level
of care get pushed back while they're
dealing with people who have lesser
medical issues. So we are looking at it
uh
assistant chief and uh chief actually
looked recently with the company who has
the ability
talk about is the ability to prevent
cardiac events from
the data that's derived from a normal
EKG
really uh life saving and dramatic
change. Is there a way that we could put
that in place in our EMS system working
with
primarily Ellis or also already met the
regional trauma center so that uh there
are things that we're doing on an
ongoing basis. How do you improve the
delivery of service improve the outcomes
and do it the most cost effective ways?
Um I know that um the fire department,
police department have been really
successful grants and I can see that
reflected in your in this budget in
terms of the equipment lines. Um so I
just wanted to say I appreciate all the
work that you and your team, Jennifer in
particular, uh does uh with the grants
development and just keep it going. You
guys are really successful with that.
>> Yeah. Thank you. That's nice.
You got a question? See move on to page
43 prevention arson.
Anything you like to highlight there?
Pretty straightforward.
>> Any question? Seeing none, we'll move to
final final branding 44.
I see a couple of new things there.
343.12.
Uh that's an overtime line for that
firefighter mobility test to have our
people come in and pract
450. Uh we added in some supplies. We
have to build that course.
>> I'm sorry. Which one is that? I'm sorry.
Uh the supply line uh 3450 450 supplies
it was 600.
>> Oh, got it. Okay, thank you. Yep.
>> Go ahead.
>> And there'll be a number of cost savings
on what line.
>> Um cost savings for there's there's no
cost.
>> Oh, okay.
» I I missed what you said the 10,000 was
for
>> um in line 3414 1112. That's overtime.
That's going to be to pay the
firefighters to come in and proctor that
physical agility test and to allow the
candidates access to that course prior
to the testing.
>> Thank you.
» Any other question?
Okay, see we'll move Phil
bottom of page 44 into page 45.
Any
questions?
Seeing none, we'll move to five retro
bottom of page 45
came to page 46 and we'll conclude the
fire department review.
» Are there any other questions? Go ahead.
Yeah. So there's there's like nothing
the whole section there's nothing
>> I don't know that if it's just gold
lines or
>> it's
any other question.
» So there might be something there might
be something coming in those lines.
>> Oh okay.
>> All right. Seeing none. Thank you so
much. Thank you for all you're doing.
>> Appreciate
the police department.
And we are doing them police uh
department starting.
These are 8:31
coming through 8:30 and also 8:30.
Overall uh police department decreased
that by 8.6%.
5.6 million,000 increase uh achieve
» summary. Give us a little summary
now.
>> I guess we're going to start off
this evening.
Um I talk talk about uh you know what
we're doing here as police department
methodology we're using started out by
saying it's working crime down crime
down 20.8% 8% compared to this time last
year. We're also down 3% compared to the
five year average. That's that's crime,
which is the crime that we're really
focused on. These numbers are good. We
should be proud of them.
But we all know that crime is regional
cyclical and before we pat ourselves in
the back too much, we have to realize
that hold and Detroit both facing us
right now with the reductions
just in the way that you know the crime
is going down. You know, our numbers are
good, those are better. So uh with that
knowing that cyclical you know we're
very cognizant that we can't take our
foot off the gas continuously work on
our methodology. What is that
methodology? has been safe for the last
nine years.
Have a heavy investment in community
building trust engaging the
neighborhoods. having a public campaign
of information sharing, asking for
voluntary compliance on many different
levels, whether it's obeying the speed
limit, just being proactive, seeing our
officers
out there in the public safety
community, from the school district,
county jail department, state police. We
do do great patrols. We have a very good
uh partnership with ECJS. We a lot of
programming all the money that comes in
federal task forces, DEA, FBI, ATF, US
Marshals, they all come with funding
attached to our as state police and the
sheriff's task force. We we partner with
many businesses both locally and
nationally to bring things through our
community. Some of them have financial
benefits and of course we do have
technology investments that have helped
us do our job. Some of them are some are
costly. I'll talk about that in a
minute. But we still have challenges.
that we face right now are
again violent crime. It's regional.
This has gone down.
We're seeing a significant reduction in
gun violence. But it's still happening,
still comes around people come from
outside the area. Differences here
because of the regional social problems
persist persist. Uh we have a rise in
juvenile incidents. Our investment in
schools has helped us there, but we
still see it. There's a lot of
aggressive driving. The speed of
reduction has helped that, but still
happening. We have many nuisance
businesses that are operating. They
continuously pop up.
our
out of compliance businesses, after hour
clubs, some gas stations, corner
strollers, massage parlors,
and then the reality of this because
everybody at the table has done such a
great job. We're very vibrant city has a
lot going on, which means that we have a large draw on our resources. Asking
for assistance with just maintaining
order was a big draw on our on us.
Uh back home at the police department,
uh we do have some facility challenges.
Our evidence storage is overflowing.
It's it's expensive to pay our guys to
stay and encourage that evidence.
Something that we're going to have to do
by by just not having any place to put
it.
We do have HBAC problems at our place.
Um
as a as a building as a whole, recently
investments into our real time crime
center has solved that problem for HBAC,
which is very good.
On the positive side, our men and
women's locker rooms are complete. They
look really nice. Anybody else wants to
come and take a look at them? Welcome to
see it.
>> Our gym was redone thanks to Chief
Whipple getting a grant from the state.
Buy some new gym equipment for our
officers.
Some past projects, but there's looking
better the other day. Our classroom, our
pistol range, and our break room are all
completed. So, facilities looking pretty
good. Currently have a table of
organization of 168 officers,
five in the five within the academy, two
officers on long-term military leave. Um
we have multiple children being born. So
we have a lot of maternity and maternity
leave uh coming up soon.
>> A lot of our ancillary jobs, a lot of
jobs we have are assigned to task forces
which are ancillary jobs that support
our core missions. So we have task force
officers training arm reduction officers
professional standards just keeping up
our training and our professionalism.
We do have an ongoing staffing analysis
that's requested by the state to assess
our staffing needs. And then of course
everything we do, we have to look at
accreditation, make sure that we're in
compliance with accreditation.
We all need every day from the
technology perspective. It's very
expensive. We all know that it's going
to be part of this budget conversation.
Axon body cameras, tasers, virtual
reality training, electronics feminist
storage. Um, and by that what I mean is
our interviews and our body camera
footage. All the video, everything
electronic goes into evidence.com with
cloud based storage
incar videos which come with LPR. So
that helps us more than pay for
themselves and be in New England. Also
our drones, burnt drones fully funded
until 2030, the end of 2030.
This will help us close the gaps needs,
but we're still working the kinks out.
So we're not going to
a fully funded grant from DCS got
laptops in all the officers hands. uh
which now they're using them for enhance
cyber security and just to help them
deal with information overload,
technology overload.
um we become a little bit more efficient
on the community end. Just a reminder,
we engage with the school district, many
community groups such as Coco House C
Center, Y WCA, YW WCA, YMCA, Boys and
Girls Club, City Mission, neighborhood
associations, business groups, business
associations.
Um
and what we've been really aiming to do
is be responsive to what our community
has been asking us for specifically in
the last five years. A professional
trustworthy department and to do that we
focus on training policies and
procedures engaging with our community.
We want to be held accountable. That's
where our cameras come into play and we
want to be responsible to our community
needs. That means we have to be properly
staffed. We have to have the resources
to get the job done. We have to
continuously educate ourselves to
changing trends, growing trends, growing
emerging threats in our community.
» Okay.
» So, we'll go into
Thank you, Chief. Uh, page 30.
go through the order
just if you would like to highlight
anything on the police administration
starting
you can question and then move to the
next um
go ahead please so chief first of all
thank you for the overview and also
thank you um very much for reduction in
the budget. Uh and I know that was very
helpful to some of the grants that you
got and thank you for answering the
email regarding that. Um in terms of
this particular um the administration
and then the question will go throughout
are are some of the grants that you've
identified that will be uh paid out in
2020 for budget year 2026 are any of
them helping to offset
any salaries or overtime at all?
>> Brand is grant covers
>> two detectors two detector is a half of
an analyst and a minimum amount.
The give grant covers three detectives,
a full the give analyst position that's
listed separately and a minimum.
» Go ahead, please.
>> Just earlier you you were talking about
you said LPR and I just didn't know what
that was.
>> License plate.
>> Okay. Sorry about that.
>> I know.
>> Any other question about the police
administration section?
>> Go ahead, please.
>> I think moving forward similar to how we
uh identify the car funded positions,
would it make sense or is there a
consensus to identify grant funed
positions on budgets moving forward?
>> Is that something that's uh
commissioner? Can you
provide that report?
>> Not for this year.
aren't done.
>> Yeah, I mean that's a possibility to
look into it.
>> Thank you.
>> Chief, on the overtime 80 3120 112 it's
like down 63% from 150,000 to 55
>> be an extremely difficult goal,
» right? I mean
>> that that I I can explain that number.
You'll see that that we took a tax
position
salary
next page
created a professional standard
part of that over time.
That's
>> the ASP is about.
>> Yeah.
>> Any other questions for the police
administration section?
>> Seeing none, we'll move to
» Sorry.
So, um this topic came up under the
other department. I see that you also
took up A3120
floor 2C which was the anti-racist
campaign department. I know that that's
something we've been doing.
>> It was there in 2024. We had access and
I think in 2025 I thought there was a
conversation because every two years so
often that type of change.
No, that was ARA funed one time the
whole department and we never had any
more fun completed for new officers.
>> So the new officers don't go through
that
>> since since we gave it last year 2024.
So in 2025 we have not done it
probably had
we didn't hire last year we have
probably less than five officers that
are joined us.
Thank you
chief to you mention this near
the public safety equipment software
that is primarily driven because of the
new technology and the software
>> that's the one that unfortunately I
mentioned last year this year that's the axon 495,000 of that is axon
uh the remainder of it is a call aurora
or that uh is going to be reimbursed and
I included that in the revenue line from
county exports agreement. That's not you
guys haven't seen it yet. It's not
completed yet, but the rest of the money
is in the revenue line for
>> So the 495 is that software equipment
and software
>> that is all it's all
it's like 493 and change I think but 495
is all goes all the year. the first
chief sever
for two years with other paper for three
years. This is the first guys.
» Go ahead.
>> I think my question comes at the end.
So, we still are going all through all
these other categories.
>> Well, I just am concerned when we get to
the end. I mean, we're down four
positions overall. Um, and I find that
concerning our police department to be
down uh that many folks. Um, it does
seem like that would have um an impact,
but we can talk about it at the end of
your entire presentation. That's up to you.
>> Well, you can ask it since you asked a
question. Let it be an answer or
address. So this budget right here
represents 168. So 168 the total number
of officers is 168 number 16
>> the numbers all add up to 168. So
there's no um numbers take it out
>> unless there was something done that I
was
>> she mentioned that we have five in the
academy
» longterm military
>> position in the civilian
dog.
>> Yes. He loves civilians. We have an
animal control officer, a gear or a
crime analyst, a matron, and
an IPS2 in parking. So, we have four
civilian positions, but no more
positions that I'm aware of.
>> I was just looking at the line on
>> So, the position that is being uh
>> they were reduction is more of a
civilian.
>> Gotcha. They were removed from there,
but they were moved into A312A. They
were just moved to a different spot. So
everybody was
>> Okay.
So they moved from 31 to 32.
>> Okay. I was just looking
>> I was looking.
>> Yeah. Yeah. On page 35 it says in 2025 we adopted 188.5
but in 2026 the code was 184.5. So
that's the four position that static is
referring to that somewhere throughout
look like
based on the total that's needed
on page
>> 35.
» Yes.
>> Thank you.
>> All right.
Okay. Let's u move to the professional
standard bureau page 32
and let's
budget
what is happening there.
So
recognizing that the captain is in
parking unit
typically would make
more the salary line is when you add
overtime into it and u in addition to
that the commander of the professional
standard bureau conducts investigations
some on other department members so I
discussion with the mayor my my idea my
thought was to change the captain's
position to a deputy chief position a
set salary line and make it bud budget
neutral by taking
happens over time.
» It's it's really as simple as that.
Another bureau including all the people
underneath the captain.
Are there any questions regarding the
section professional standards?
Go ahead please.
>> I know in your
uh introduction she definitely captivity
and respect still there's more work to
do. Um concentrating on this can
identify the benefits of that stand
employment and just what some
expectations that the members of the
community expect.
Um well again
not there was ever a concern but I do
think from an organiz organizational
perspective or accountability
perspective having somebody who's not
tied to a police union or same
professional standards which also is
internal affairs wouldn't make sense and
um but also to to have a deputy chief at
a higher level command staff level and this
It's not that high of a level in a
Catholic. It's maybe a tiny bit higher,
but really taking into consideration
um professional standards, risk
management, liability,
policy, all the things that kind of
interwe together, use of force, um
really to reduce risk for the city, um
police department, and improve our
professionalism.
Taking a global picture all of those.
That's why we have uh under this bureau
um the sergeant professionals, our
training sergeant and our offices
are unfounded, but even if an unf.
And uh and that that's where we get
better from a training perspective. Any
other question? All right. See now we'll
move to page 333.
Anything to highlight here
to talk about
this one is
» the special police officer doing brief.
>> No, that's that's more just to get in
line with what we're trying to
exemplify.
» Go ahead, please.
>> So, the police m um so that was one of
those civilian positions that you're
speaking on.
>> Yes.
>> And how does removing one impact the
overall service or functioning of the
police department?
>> I can honestly say that one is the one
position that will not affect anything.
>> Okay. Right.
>> We have an agreement with the sheriff to
take our our
preies to the sheriff's department.
>> So, we really just need to make sure
during time is open.
>> Other than that, they go to the
sheriff's department.
» Sheriff service.
>> Well, I'm very concerned about the
reduction in the overtime. Um, but I
think in asking that question ahead of
time, it looked like it was something
that we might have to talk about in
executive session. Is that
In terms of the response I received,
>> I mean
the number that's there is reflective of
the request to
reduce our budget. It's not reflective
but what we need. I know these are
challenging times and we just didn't
have anywhere else to take it from.
That's what it comes down. So I appreci
I appreciate you
>> the variable cost that we have the
ability to say but for everything else
we truly looked at five or six times I
said don't need it we need it
really
looking
» so so with the reduction in all over all
the overtime that's being cut back out
what does that mean to us as revenues
here additional maybe
uh community events. What are we looking
at? How's it going to affect us?
Oh, you know if that line was
one year
every day is going to be like a Saturday
afternoon.
We had 34
to respond priority ones the staffing
levels just what they are
>> and mandate levels just to cover just I
don't think that that will cover that we
did analysis
was just
It wasn't good.
It's uh
yeah, the number that chief will put
together originally is is a realistic
number which was close to 2.75 million.
We thought we could struggle and make it
through 2.4 million.
This is including the waste that will
come through next year. Keep that alive.
and have some debt to to make to make
those numbers happen. We have to start
polishing uh investigative jobs to put
them into control just to answer calls.
We know what the domino effect of that
is the methodology that explain
breaks down. We have less investigations
going on more stuff going on in our
communities that we can't react to.
The regional crime element knows that
and they start setting up here and
that's when things go backwards. So
that's my assessment.
>> So again, um like task force
that individuals from our our police
department are assigned to will have to
be pulled off the task force to come
back to help out
in the task force uh without
>> that's one option you would ask.
>> One option. Um, and what about like the
fire department? Uh, Chief Burns said,
you know, the health and and mental
health and well-being of your officers
um being out there more and more and more.
Well, I mean, he's he's 100% correct.
We're kind of dealing with that right
now at the levels that we have. That's
why I asked for a staffing analysis. Um
it's just the reality of the generation
that we're hiring now and and where
we're at. Something that we monitor
daily regularly and uh we're watching
closely and um
those
community events
>> I mean will there be
>> funding for
those events have to pay for themselves?
>> I know. At our church, we we pay
officers saying,
>> but but even then if this number were to
stick,
>> you won't have
>> if we hired the officers, it comes out
of that number. Then when it gets
reimbured, it goes into the general
fund. Doesn't go back into that line. So
that number is only going to last for so
long before it's gone. I mean, I know we
could probably commissioner and ask for
funds to be moved, but
>> that's not the way that we got it.
built into that number is the
reimbursement.
I guess that's the better answer.
>> So, chief historically um I mean I
looking at the budget back as long as I
be on the council we have uh pretty much
um whatever we budget normally have to
spend on this money because you have to
provide us you have to send the office.
So regardless if we were to say today we
a total budget $1.1 million
you're going to stay within that budget
or you are you going to exceed it
historically
we're not saying that you have to stop
at 1.1 but you have to provide a service
to the community so is that something
that been trending over the years the
line is there the budget is there but
you have to provide a service and and
spend
Well, I mean, I can say that
historically that we we operate in a
manner where we we strive to stay within
the budget, but you're right, at the end
of the year, we typically get close to
it, possibly go over it. At that point,
either chief or chief takes a phone call
to the commissioner of finance and sees
some of our vacancy funds can be
allocated towards the overtime. We
ultimately
At least I'm not I'm not so positive
about the last couple years, but
historically the first
six years I was cheap. We we came in
under budget total budget um by the end
of the year. Um and many years we were
able to make some purchases for some
stuff that we needed the next year
because we were under. But you know
those lines typically always go over
because of the either the need or the
uncertainty where we hate to say no to
anything. he's asking for is they're
asking for a reason. It's not a a luxury
usually.
>> So So there is an opportunity to move
funding around as we just mentioned from
one to help cover additional costs in
terms of safe not really savings but
it's like money that is in a department
that is on that can help offset some of
the over time.
>> So at the end of the year if there's
vacancies left and there's money over
the finance department moves it over.
And I think we discussed this last year
in terms of the staffing in terms of you
have people retiring or not hired which
at a given time six months four months
of that unused funding. So that will
then transfer to all the overalls.
>> Yes.
>> Across all the departments.
I I I just I just want to point out that
right now um it looks like we we're at
1.746395
in overtime which is actually larger
here now. Um you said these these
figures the budget to date was that I
forget when you what date was
>> the year to date is that up to
>> 30th
>> September 30th.
>> So as of 9:30 we were already at
1.746395.88
88 which is like 600,000 over um the
overall proposed budget uh for that line
for 2026. So um I mean I just think
about even some of the community events
um the large scale events in the park um
those types of things. I mean I guess
we'd either have to scale back on those
events maybe not give permission for
those events to be held. Um I I don't
know. I'm just saying, but I I think
it's something we all really going to
have to talk about as we progress
through these discussions over the next
couple of days.
>> I I will note that when you're looking
at uh what we expect year to date
through September, I should say in 2025
compared to 2024.
>> I didn't that we're about a quarter of a
million dollars less intentionally.
>> Okay.
>> Spoke to the mayor.
>> Oh, I didn't see that
>> early summer and he stressed the
challenges that we'd be facing. So, we changed our staffing levels probably
mid August
>> and and we've been saving money, but we
certainly have been paying a price for
multiple calls for officers not showing
up for a while. It it takes to the point
where we're we have a daily discussion
about whether we put them back up or
keep them down. Knowing what we're going
into next year, it's a something that
we're monitoring very closely, but we've
been for not have the calls that come
in, but we have to just send people.
It's something we're monitoring closely.
But we have reduced our staffing levels
up to a a very low number for the last
eight weeks.
>> Yeah. Does it change with those with
those cost of creation? Does does it
exceed your budget overall budget within
the department
>> or do you stay within the
>> So the last last few years we save very
much. So even though we went last year
we went over um about $700,000 over all
over 600,000 over we were within
we were under under our entire budget
>> and because I mentioned moving on to
help increase all the department.
» So question so more clarity on that. So
we like kind of get kind of a breakdown
of what that looks like maybe over the
last two or three years like when things
have to be shifted over because it seems
like they call like you guys call
finances you guys
be sharpened by transfers
» I think you're asking you would like to
see those transfers
>> yeah just yeah maybe stra if you could I
don't know I'll later test that for
Go ahead, please.
>> So, I just want to get some clarity on
what you've said about overtime and
reimbursement from community events.
>> So,
you the community events have to pay uh
organizers have to pay, police officers
to be there, whatever their overtime
rate is, all everything included their
standard rate. There's no there's no um
they don't get a break on that. that
>> we have a separate um the you know
depends on what number you're talking
about but they at a minimum they pay the
officer's salary that's going the
paycheck
>> the fringe is something else on top of
that
>> and then when the paper comes to to the
city you're saying it goes to the
general fund doesn't go to here but
>> that's my understanding that's the
commissioner
general fund revenue.
» Okay.
>> All right. So, how do you like right
now? How do you determine that? How much
that's going to be if we don't know
events? How do you determine how much
that would be?
>> Well, we we can only forecast what we
anticipate that we know. something like
the stock age, you know, do that every
year. We're going to get reimbursed is
built into our budget.
>> But if if something comes up out of
nowhere and they ask us to order it and
we say, "Yeah, okay."
>> And we get reimbured for and we spend
$10,000 for that, that's $10,000 less we
can spend out in the community fighting
crime.
>> And now we just spend at a community
event and we don't get that put back
into fighting crime.
So it's just it's one of those if it's
unanticipated that we do it. That's why
we like to properly plan and we like to
we
give you the commitments to reimburse
those to actually have those
organizations pay us.
>> So the standards like you said the stock
like the Caribbean vest and you know the
group vested all the one that are every
single year happen you've budgeted that
in for the amount of over time that
would be there. Yeah, the the ones that
we don't anticipate maybe is somebody
comes to Proctors and they need they
need details there. We didn't anticipate
it.
>> So they say that they'll pay for it. We
have to send officers there knowing that
the the performers going to reimburse
us.
>> So So in terms of these community
events, are all the officers on overtime
for these events or do we have a mix?
>> Typically it's over time.
>> All time. Yeah, very rarely would we
have the staffing available to put them
there. That doesn't mean that we don't
have events that we
won't send officers on patrol just to go
in and out just they won't they wouldn't
be posted there. They're posted there.
They're getting paid there
during the day in the summer time.
Sometimes the school cos are there.
If you were to put an estimate in terms
of like let's say all the event that we
had this year and do a comparison
>> would you able to attach an estimate
dollar amount to that what it will cost
if you don't have
you can provide that to us. So we've
looked at it because if that is over
time I don't think that will break the
bank here it would be you know thousands
of dollars but it won't be hundreds of
thousands. So we have a reimburseable
details was last year was 67,733
and year to date build 39,832
so far
>> 2024 was 68k
>> that's reimburseable details that
doesn't include
>> Oh yes summer night Christmas stuff that
we
>> What do you have for your actual this
year? I mean so far it's 40,000
>> 40,000 over here today
>> about 150,000 total
>> give or take about 150
>> okay some of that's not reimburseable
Christmas
>> rivers casino last year was 67 so
there's certain
>> we have a couple different lines that we
have to
» is reverse casino part of an agreement
is that That's it's reimburseable but not over time.
>> It's it's over time. Yeah. It's like a
separate billing that's
even number.
>> Okay. Yeah.
>> So you want the total?
>> Yeah. Just an estimate of what it would
cost us if we were to
surface to all these um events.
Go ahead please.
>> Uh I think it's just important to
highlight that the only difference in
how this overtime conversation is being
discussed that this has been included in
the proposed budget. Sincerely and with
all respect everyone at the table the
comments and response to this car milder
in comparison to what individuals such
as myself
Mr. Farley when raising the same issues
and concerns. Although it's slightly
worrisome that number would be included
in the proposed budget. I'm in agreement
with the fact that we have to be more
strategic in how we operate
with the police. Um I think the worry is
just how sick and then sincerely not
wanting to put you and your officers.
She put her in harm's way when needing
to kind of delay responses to the
community. Um but I think my worry is
we're making considerable investments in
technology.
saw the conversation that we just had.
Those are either not sufficient or
they're not working. And I don't think
that's a difficult or
wrong thing to say. I think this
identifies there needs to be a different
approach. Um if you care to comment, but
I think in hearing how these budget
talks have continued over the years,
it's clear to me that it's fluid. So we
put anywhere
as long as it bottoms out or evens out
at the end of the year that's what
matters. So I think what I think would
be more valuable is how do we condense
this year to date budget which is very rough on the eyes to understand
what the actual numbers are and that
would get them right away. So I'm going
to be taking time to read through that.
Um but sincerely I would hope
that confident aligning at the end of
the year.
But since those are your comments,
>> yeah, just to add to that, like I can
recall two years ago, three years ago,
we were down like 140 officers in I
think every time we come to the council
say they wanted us to hire more officer
and we're talk about hiring more officer
will help with the reduction over time.
And at the same time our investment in
technology new technology and advanc
health will reduce the over time and
that's something you have brought to us
and kind of you know we we partner with
you because of those suggestion that you
have brought forward to us. So I think
the overtime reduction
is in partnership with new technology
with a full complement of 168 officer
give and take. We had six out. So
is that still working with a full
complement of the uniform officer plus
all the advanced technology that we have
still need the full capacity of time
historically
I think my response to that is and this
is this is why I requested a staffing by
the state I actually requested one
precoid it got stopped because of co and
they didn't finish it And then when I
circled back, finally got it to be done
again, the response they gave me is this
is actually good for you and the
department because the state has
re-evaluated the way that they conduct
staffing analysis for police departments
because of the shift of our world we
live in. The shift of technology, the
shift of society. We're dealing with so
many things, more things now than we
were nine years ago. Um, nine years ago,
we weren't dealing with the social
problems that we're dealing with now.
Um, you know, the police department's
dealing with homelessness, with poverty,
with food insecurity, with pan handling.
We're dealing with that now. We weren't
doing it, nine years ago.
>> We're dealing with aggressive uh
juveniles on electric bicycles in
traffic, punching cars, punching people,
robbing people, you name it. And those
things didn't exist before. they were
pedal bikes.
>> We're dealing with an increase in needs
between cell phones or apps to commit
crimes um to report crimes and it's just
I think it's shifted the job that we're
doing and yes the technology is is
basically close the gap for us to keep
our staffing numbers consistent but I
might I might argue that without that
technology maybe We would need 225 cops
to do the job that we're doing now with
165. So I until we get this analysis
done, we won't know the right answer.
But um I I completely understand the
concerns because you're not wrong, but I
did come here and I said, "Yeah, we do
this. They should say this and that was
the thought at the time, but society
shifts sometimes."
>> Go ahead. I would say I appreciate that
uh those additional comments because it
does change the context and what
given you.
>> Any other comments?
>> So, chief, as you're talking about the
chip in society and things that you guys
are being tasked to deal with, I think
that that is a conversation that needs
to be had because I don't think that um
you know, calling the police or police
responding to every situation is good
for the community nor good for you guys.
So, I guess what are some of the things
um that you're
responding to that that maybe you think
it'd be a a better response, you know,
or maybe a different level of
intervention that doesn't involve the
police or involve the police so uh
significantly. If you haven't anything
come to mind
we had some ideas and we tried to
implement things that the reality of it
is part of the biggest problem as a
society we have is not finding people
that want jobs. They don't want to work.
So we're doing things that in perfect
society we have mental health workers
responding to but they're work by
themselves. So so who do you call when
nobody else respond? call the police the
last resort. So, we're going there and
because we weren't properly trained to
do the job, we were forced to be
properly trained and and build out a
whole unit which we've done and an
expense additional cost. Um and because
those are very challenging
situations and specifically those with
mental illness, we need to have
accountability. We need to have that
technology to deal with the body cameras
so we can get a better idea
to see how we're doing with it. Um we're
constantly thinking about different ways
that we can do things. That's why we
attend training conferences that we do
to see what other people are doing in
other parts of the country or other
parts of the world. And we've been very
intimidated here doing things. Um
that magic bullet to the solid.
» So I somewhat related is
uh you know one of our
large stakeholders in the community is
Union College. Um, and I'm wondering
how Union College there our relationship
with Union College. Um, on some of our
services, how is that evening out or
measuring?
» I mean, are a graduate of the union?
>> Okay. So, I think you want to answer
that.
>> Had a close relationship with him, but
every time I've reached out and I've
reached out multiple times
They have not helped. They have not come
to help us multiple times.
You can only ask so many times before
you look somewhere else.
» But the college went home not so much.
>> So I so I in preliminary conversations
with some of the leadership of union
around this issue. Um, I guess I'm
talking a little bit more specifically
around like the use of service, like the
use of our services. Um, would it be
wrong or inaccurate to say that they are
kind of extracting some of our services
cuz they call us, but there's there's no
reciprocal.
Would that be accurate for you to say or
>> Okay, thank you.
Um I'm just wondering and maybe it's
someplace else and I just am not
remembering it correctly but in terms of
like the mental health counselor that we
did have employed um
for you guys you know for
first responders. Is that person still
with us? Where is that?
>> She was under feature services.
>> Oh thank you.
>> Okay, great. Oh, there we go.
>> We didn't approve that.
» Thank you.
>> Yeah,
>> she is. She is very wonderful. She's
help.
>> That's great.
>> She's also the same individual that
supports the entire department.
>> Yes. And we definitely appreciate your
support of
>> Yes. All right. We'll move to next page.
Police investigation page 34.
Chief, anything you would like to
highlight here for us? Any movement? Any
increase here?
52
bill. So 53.
Is there movement from one department to
the next?
>> Next one.
crime analyst in general is no
longer in the budget. And the give
analyst is was one of the crime analyst
assistants. Now they're working so they
have a new title of give analyst and
that is funded.
>> Okay.
>> And that is in the give
no longer in there that was funded
through a grant and now one of our
partners
to us.
>> Any questions?
>> But still serving that serving.
>> I remember that from
>> it's a different person now. That person
>> Okay.
>> arms left us part.
>> Okay.
>> Yes. Go ahead.
>> Say I'm trying to figure out the change
where there it's looks like there's one more fil than there was in 25.
36
investigative.
>> Yes. One describe detective that we
>> fully funded.
>> Yes. When we went we came to the um
council last year our number was 167
total bills and then a few months ago we
came with a strive grant right
>> and when we asked you to accept that we
asked for it would increase our number
by one for the stage.
So
I'm looking for that under that like I'm
not maybe that particular name but I see
detective under this particular one for
that for the stri under police
>> that's just that would just be under
investigator sorry I'm using the word
detective but investigator
>> okay investigate okay and I see thank
you
>> any other questions for this section
» well
M I just want to say just as I did with
the fire
>> department. I mean, I appreciate the
grants that you all um bring in
regularly and come to us with uh to
exact. I appreciate that you do your
best to try to offset some of those
expenses to all
the
investigative
the uh
the overtime 750,000
not as target I think as field services.
Okay. our analysis. Uh
» what was your initial um estimates?
>> 1.1 million. We knocked it down to a
million after reevaluating
with the raises.
>> Hopeful hopeful knocks
major cases like homicides
the realistic number we're looking at is
850.
But um again investigation gives you a
little bit more discretion. Our chief
has assured us he'll he'll do his best
to stay within it.
>> May have not
for some
time that uh might be hard to
» if we had to go to reduced budget line
there for overtime. We might have to
pick and choose what what we send
detectives in to investigate. um maybe
some burglaries. There's nothing out. We
wouldn't come in and process those
scenes. You just have to make decisions
on what we're calling detectives in for
that can't wait till the next day
straight time to answer. But we prefer
to we prefer to exercise bunches of
caution on on anything that's a part of
crime or felony level, but we might have
to make those hard decisions sometimes.
I think there was a question on the
confidential fund. Was that answer or is
it being
» wasn't me? I don't think
>> hopefully we'll follow up and make sure
that
>> an answer is provided.
>> Are there any questions for this
section?
And now I'm going move to page um
38
uh parking
there. We uh remove one IPF2 that's the
works the window so that we position Any
questions regarding this section
parking?
Now we'll move to page uh
page 46
animal control.
» You said 46.
>> Yes.
This one.
» Are we going to have that position or is
the supervisor going to be taking
control of? Um, we would love to have
control of position but uh
it was vacant. So going through the
budget
all vacant positions were
taken out there was any funding that
could be found. We would absolutely love
that.
>> Was a big company?
>> Uh no I think it was six months this
year. We had somebody
we did try to hype up a little bit and
not
» so we just have so right now we just
have the dog control supervisor who does
the duties of well there's already
supervised um so they do the duties of
the dog control officer
She's doing the duties of everything.
She's absolutely amazing.
>> Um,
she's awesome. So, she's doing
everything she possibly can.
» Yeah.
>> Is there any I know Lieutenant works
with human any grants that he can look
into as far as filling that position or
has that I don't know.
Certainly, but we have been all over.
» Okay. He's helped us get three different
animals.
» So, I want to say uh just the other was
it last week there was a loose dog in my
neighborhood. There was a call made. Um
it's really cute dog. I saw that.
>> Yeah.
>> Long story. However, animal control
officer, she was
>> there right away.
>> Um and and really gave a lot of good
information to me and some of my
neighbors of how to proceed, you know,
and what what the options would be and
really what would happen if they had to
kind of take the dog, which was a little
scary and a whole another situation. But
I guess I remember us talking about and maybe I'm conflating two things. Um
so forgive me if I am, but we talked
about
There were some funds that we were for
maybe lack of a better term maybe
reallocating for another
animal shelter if you will. there was
like some cost efficiency things that
were happening there and is then that
wasn't related to uh to staffing or was
that just for
» currently right now we have
uh the council approved $150,000 two
years ago for capital funds for
renovation support for shelter
>> and then we received a grant for
$200,000 that council accepted to
renovate
new animal shelter. So we have a total
of $350,000 for animal shelter
>> that now we're working on they wanted to
rent one we have now
>> with the new standards that are coming
out I believe it's the end of this year
the one we have now would be not
suitable for the new standards.
>> Okay. So working on getting our grant
modified in order to build a new one.
There was a lot of hiccups in that
process, but we're working on the final
paperwork now and we're working on
building a new one on city property as
well next to the old one.
>> Okay.
>> So that would take care of building a
new shelter, but that would still we
still have a partnership with Mohawk
Hudson we have now.
>> And the idea would be that they'd be
able to help
host some classes and things for some
residents and then have some volunteers
come up and help with the animals things
like that.
That's what the
>> Yeah,
>> that's what the the grand plan would be.
They would be out patrolling they would
be able to we'd be able to bring the
animals to here instead bring them out
to the volunteers be able to bring them
back to the hose.
So we don't have to do that right now.
If we bring pick a then the accompan
so she's out of city.
>> Okay. So the $150,000 that we approved
outside of the grant. Was that matching
funds for the grant or that was?
>> So we are going to be using that. So it
wasn't you guys actually approved that
before we got the money that that was
before my time in the in the position I
was in. It was to
uh make some adjustments to the down
there and still operate what was down
there. I should be going down there.
>> Yeah.
» And then
the grant to get these nicer but there's
some air quality standards.
There's been some talk around
this new articles and things like that
now the one we have now it's going to be
very very expens so the new one's going
to be cheaper.
>> Sure. So I guess I'm just wondering that
seems like that's something that's a
little down the line at best. Would it
be that $150,000 that we allocate that
we allocated for for the use of that
purpose? Would it be more beneficial to
the larger community to maybe reallocate
that $150,000 to bring on a second um
officer in between in the meantime
is also matching
>> funds
for this grant paperwork completed um
the you know would actually have to be
completed I believe it's by September
next year.
So it's not completed by
>> Okay. So expectated timeline. All right.
Thank you.
>> Thank you.
>> So I found myself thinking about um
military years and I was a newly
commissioned officer. Bear with me. Um
one thing they told you not to do is not
to be the idea fairy. Just throwing out
ideas. So I can only imagine what it was
like to hear just our good intention
just recommendations to you all about
and that good uh is there any ability to
have a perspective like I can count on
my hand if individuals
that part
of like um training and dealing with
dogs or what have you. Is there any
ability to guess deputize them or use
their services without having to bring
on a full-time individual with the help
of that on the supervising?
>> Um, that would be a question for the the
CSA also because there' be a union
issues
and possible some liability for workers
comp and some other things. We've had
several ACOs
previously. Our current one now is she's
been briefed but
something that
said work for a while. So there's but it
is a good idea if it works out. Um, so
if it is possible and somebody's willing
to do that kind of work at no charge or
something like that that
we did have a part time we did have a
part-time officer or one for a little
while gotten
we had very minimal salary in that um
and through the see it through the union
that we had to offer anything to the
full-time officer first before you go to
part time. So there was
>> if they needed something, it had to go
to them first before going to part time.
So that's something just we have to work
around or have to discuss with the CCA.
We're doing that. But if that was a
discussion of we're going to have these
part time, we're able to have more. I
think the current one would be more than
happy to work with somebody just to have
more hands on deck.
>> Go ahead. last question or statement
around this. I mean there's nothing
>> and clearly my ideas were better than
Mr. Williams so we don't have to that's
just nothing need to be said but I
thought we should note that um so is a
way to work with like I you know in this
recent situation looking at like working
with like there's like rescues like like
you know nonprofits actually 501c3s who
are like that's their thing to do that
you know to come you know get animals.
Is there a way for the city to do it to
partner with them but avoiding you know
um significant liability being that that
would be who you know if I'm calling
animal rescue for animal then you know
maybe like that officer says oh well you
can also make this call to this agency
and they do that like was that is there
a way to do because I feel like that's
one area where we and maybe I'm just I
could be wrong about this but there's a lot of interest in people that
are willing to, you know, kind of yes,
donate their time, but also like there's
like 501c3s that actually do that.
>> So, there might be, but I know a lot of
times there's a lot of them are full, a
lot of people that are always reaching
out to us. I mean, I'm part of the email
chain that there's always too many
animals places. So, I was looking all
these foundations and places that are
willing to go do the work. They're
always find trying to find places like
put the animals places.
>> Um and then once I believe the city is
could be run the city is liable to we
have to house the dog for we have to
keep the dog in certain amount of days.
So if we lose dog we find it we have to
keep them for 5 days
>> specific protocols that's why we have
the relationship with
>> Mohawk
>> which is the best financial
shot around
it applies primarily to dogs. If you
have raccoons, other uh squirrels, other
times come in for other animals. There
are different
uh agencies and groups that will rehab
or take those that we don't have the
same responsibility. So they can go from
the enablement finding
cats and dogs have probably the biggest
support network and we primarily focus
on dogs and a lot of it's just educating
people to make sure the dogs are
licensed. People are playing by the
rules so that when they do get loose or
people find them they're easily
identifiable. that can be uh either
scanned through a chip or their tag is
on them so that they can be quickly
returned to their owner as opposed to
having to house them Hudson
the people down and uh you know it ends
up being an expensive process.
There are some people who
landlords and property owners probably
shouldn't own pets
in you know control officers in there
use less than ideal conditions
dangerous dogs some cases that go to
trial
and those begin to become
time consuming and expensive when the
dogs have to be house for
she's talking about five days sometimes
comes longer periods of time because of
the courts
can go for two months sometimes and the
only thing I would
have
agreements again for
somebody else come up and do their work
something else
>> yeah I was going to ask that question
because how I understand it animal
cruelty isn't nec necessarily to be
handled by the uh animal officer like
that like that animal cruelty is a
crime. So that's not
that type of investigation things will
come out of what the general whatever
the larger expenses are the same same
way right like there there's not like a
>> they'll assist in
>> okay SPCA
that
» go ahead please
>> just as a side not there's wildlife
rehabilitators Um, mama Posum was in my
yard and she ran and left like five of
her babies and my daughter Googled this
rehabilitator and she actually lives in
Radan. She took all the babies and she
has to raise them till they're three
pounds in her kitchen. So different
Yeah. And she had So there are people
out there who just have a place only in
my house.
>> Seriously? Yeah.
>> Why your house?
>> For no money. I mean we did I do for a
nice donation but there are individuals
that do that out there right in our
area.
>> All right any other question for this
section?
>> I don't have any questions but I think
that know based on this conversation
that just happened around all that stuff
there might be an opportunity for you
all to come just explain all that you
know
>> the opportunities the because I didn't
know about if you had a chair you could
get your dog back and all that stuff. So
I think an opportunity that's not a
budget session would be nice to have to
know all that information. So thank you
for that.
>> All right, we'll move on. Since we on
this page, we'll just uh complete the
police review board
» and that is going down to $10,000 from
any question regarding that and then
we'll move into since we have
chief here we'll go into the capital
project budget that so they completely
>> pull it apart.
>> So I do have a question about the
10,000.
>> Go ahead please.
>> Uh so that is to send
people in training. Is that correct?
>> So we actually
are independent. So actually no
ask let's ask for a commissioner.
some of the um
items.
They showed off their
little tablecloth and otherwise
for more fun. And how much do they spend
for training this year? Because I know
they sent
>> people
historically if you look it's under
$4,000.
>> I know historically spend they've been
more mindful but to find out that they
think I think it's different people
every year. They've been trying to um
circulate through the people so that
they don't send the same people so that
they're trying to get everybody trained.
It's not these
No, that is a
» doesn't want to leave because
it
>> has it there.
>> We all have an actual sheet so we can
look it up.
>> I did find it. It says, well, year to
date actual ads of September 30th was
$500. So, we
>> maybe they haven't maybe those bills
haven't come in yet or something.
>> I would say possibly
>> I would say because I know we get to go
on a hotel and all that stuff.
>> So, I know that that can't be.
>> All right.
>> So, can we follow up on that? Make sure
that we have the actual
>> Absolutely. So let's take
Okay, we'll move into um capital project
and we'll go to the police department
section.
If you want to walk us through this
» two items first vehicles three SUVs
which would be regular frontline
vehicles
on marked car which are protected
vehicles one parking
beautiful
>> what type of SUV
>> we do four hybrid SUVs with the quarter
developers.
>> Okay.
>> The unmarked cars. Um
we're using the Chevy.
>> Okay.
>> And then the parking be
next year supposed to be the Chevy Bolt
is supposed to be back again, which
right now we have um two of those in
2026.
Making that again. And that's a nice car
for parking. It's a very an inexpensive
electric vehicle. So for that
>> and then the evidence uh is also a
hybrid explorer.
» Any question regarding these capital
project items?
» Do we do any kind of rebate or refunds
or trade in for the older cars or what?
Um historically we not recommend them
into the we do auction off. I'm not sure
um
if we did have a bunch down um on still
there
and they end up in the budget and
there's a budget line for
not our budget but
>> there are several
evidence.
» Sure. Um as I mentioned earlier we have
evidence
prices going on. This would be um
those shipping containers,
fancy one, one that has temperature
control that we put evidence in it. Um
our highest priority is frozen evidence.
um
DNA rape kits that we right now we
brought nine industrial
freezers in our basement
from $1,000 each.
The idea would be to get a box truck
that's refrigerated that we put all that
evidence in get those nine refrigerators
that use a lot of energy out of our
basement. They also create a lot of
heat. um and put that benefits in there.
And then, you know, from a perspective,
so longer term solution would be to
potentially get a temperature controlled
one or evidence that we currently keep
in a garage that we would be using for
our motorcycles and bicycles and all
that stuff instead of sharing our sal
there. So,
>> more of a longer term solution, but this
will be the first step for that. Any
other questions?
>> Thank you for a wonderful presentation
always.
You can sit with us and have the rest of
the fun.
I'm requesting that we take a a couple
minutes break and then we'll get back to
>> Thank you.
Yeah.
» We're taking a break.
Is that
I did. Thank you. Thanks.
» That's going to be Chris.
Yes.
» Yes. Yeah. Then we'll go to
Wherever.
» Oh,
she
>> she's just taking
>> Yes.
We're going to start on page 25.
Coffee management staff building and
grants.
» Oh yes, let's do that. We missed the
capital for the fire department and they
have one item
commission for that one item which is
the rescue
vehicle.
Thank you.
Yes. Ready?
>> Yes. Go ahead, please.
>> Um, so there's one fire deployment
capital request. It's for a fire
department rescue vehicle. uh cost is
$250,000.
The description have here is the rescue
one is the top five busiest life support
vehicles
approximately 6,000 incidents per year.
In 2019, the current rescue one was
built at the current for six years. This
vehicle service has responded to
approximately 36,000 incidents
throughout the city. Rescue one is the
most visible fires in the city both
residents and visitors.
In addition to responding to emergency
incidents throughout the city including
but not limited medical fires assistance
NBC's
homicide and special hazards rescue
apparas are also they showcase at events
like summer nights running events at
central park and other detail requested
the car and rescue one will replace the
current rescue 3 which is now 10 years
old.
3 will be used as a return for meetings
and other detail that's needed.
» Are there any questions regarding this?
» Sorry miss additional question we can
chief
provide answer.
>> Okay. Page 25 property management staff
buildings and drawings.
D, you just want to give us a
these are multiple departments.
Oh, do you want Okay. Um, I can just run
off general services and give the brief
description and then I guess maybe one
at a time.
>> Yeah, let's do one.
» Absolutely. Uh for property management
1621
uh the total property management by
14.515%
from 1.2
million
approximately 154,450
decreased uh mobile
to
make
for anis.
just want to give us a snapshot of
what's happening within this department
and address
>> yeah the administrative size we maintain
the same number of nuisance officers the
um three nuisance inspectors the one
senior nuisance inspector and the
working crew leader um the rail actually
the um the snap crew
property management crew um under the
per employees um we have one person uh
leave and we're holding ourselves with
two carpenters now from last year's
three um or we're
going to be very minimal impact with the
carpenter with one carpenter. Um
the seasonal labor lawyers um seasonal
labor
$75,000 was reduced uh 256,240
to more reflect the need of the SNAP in
the past we had various under the 121
and we had labor temporary for $70,000
and
you recall when I was here the waste
some of the seasonal for being paid out
of the snap line. They just happen to
bunch the seasonals there. So we can
move those to waste to reflect actual
costs and waste because we do run 14
seasons in waste.
Those some of the money was transferred
over the waste. Um motor equipment
operators did go from a six to five
was a permanent position but it is
vacant now. So it
I don't feel there'll be any impact. We
do have seasonal but that's a decision
of I think that was one of the question
decision of finance and you you want to
put that back.
» I have a question regarding that that we're talking about that particular
one. So you said it was vacant and was
it um because someone left it was just
been vacant for a long time. How long's
that vacancy been?
there a while. We do try to
keep a vacancy within some department.
We do have a program where people are
seasoning
their permit for CDL. Um and we do find
education um for the EDU uh to get their
license and get their test. We give them
the vehicle to take their test and we
have you know openings various openings
and still ways for me. So, it does give
them an opportunity uh to move up. We've
had a couple people go through the
program um and we have people who are
they're content what they do. They don't
want to for whatever reason they don't
want to move up to get that license.
>> So, it's been a vacant for a while and
you didn't there was some anticipation
that you said that some people do take
it and then move up but that has not
happened in this particular department.
>> There is a person who took his license
in that department. Um get his license
and Chris and I are evaluating because
some employees when we don't know if
they're quite ready they still don't
show off the work.
>> So if you want to be more specific about
certain things and we would do executive
sessions because um just getting your
license doesn't qualify you become a
permanent full-time employee. There's
more to that. There's work ethics and
there's attendance.
>> Okay.
And there are other openings in other
departments. So an in throughout the
city and staff membally
across the board to different
departments because the rate is the
same. Job description the title is all
the same. That's what I'm so
descriptionally
just people leave.
um overtime uh is slightly higher but
again we do have to realize that um the
1037 contract will come up and somehow
this has to be adjusted once you know
them. So if there's a rate increase we
put a little bit of money in there to
cover cost.
So, this is in anticipation of their
negotiation.
>> There's a little bit more over time when
we do look at where we are here to date.
Um, so a little bit more over time
salaries go up
kind of stays the same based on hours
the cost goes up.
>> No, I understand that. Uh so this is a
this is in anticipation what's going to
happen and should it not happen then
that number would change. It's not a
significant number.
>> We don't use a lot of blue tank in the staff. You know we do some
Saturday alleyway cleanups in um certain
areas where there's traffic on the
weekend there's less traffic. There are
some things that we do but we pretty
much keep a good eye on that and and you
know stay
Just going back on the staffing
um we did we did receive an email the um
the union and our president against us
reduction in staffing. I'm not sure if
you're aware of that even though
>> they are. Okay.
Any other question regarding this
section?
Seeing none, we'll move to the 26
vicinity buildings maintenance.
» The commission
increased by 4.29%
and approximately 85 85,000 to 817,000
approximately 36k increase.
Give us a brief summary and
anything to be
>> there's not a lot in this obviously know
what facilities are going to hang in
here the ground city hall um you know
all facilities that you know parks
buildings administrative building up in
central park uh assignments bathrooms um
they also have two people assigned to PD
that are the cleaners that work on
facilities there's two gentlemen over
there that work and clean um they go to
assignments uh home on a weekly basis
being tight there.
Um there's currently one vacancy here.
Um and that's anticipated.
Um we just had somebody um move through
that side, but that just came up fairly
recently.
>> I already had a question for this.
>> I think you have a question that came
out about the sag.
There was no staging pay. If you look at
the budget, her pay was increased from
23 and 24. It was increased from 24 to
25. It doesn't show an increase from 25
to 26 because the union contract has not
been settled.
So, and
that same paper would go across the
board to all 37 members, even the
streets, parks, water, sewer. So, um
that's why we've seen that where it
didn't move from the previous year
because
expires this year instead of
» sorry
I say that stag kind of reflected I
don't we don't see the adopted bills
from 23 24 but splitting that across the
number of individuals not content that
margin
>> in the cleaners
>> yes
» cleaner on page 27 shows 256 bills and
proposed 26
six bills A6221
cleaners
>> the bills my question was or not my
comment was 23.4 four it doesn't
allocate it doesn't or identify how many
bills so that divide across like a
number marginal
I don't I don't put the spreadsheet
together but I could tell you that the
same bills were there in 22 23 24 25
there 26 the number of cleaners has to
change
>> great circle
23 to
do the math. $15,000 divided across six
people and we identify how technical
they play in the sleep. Well, they're
there, but sometimes they leave, we have
to refill. So, there's going to be
periods where there's no no salary to
them. Those are just actual amounts from
the 23 24 previous budgets
or whatever was budgeted for 243.
So that could be someone moving in like
Paul and situated
in if somebody vacated the position it
for a few months the you know the annual
salary the extended would be different
if somebody stayed in that position for
the full year it would be because all
those positions are the exact same
there's no steps there it's it's a flat
rate
» ahead please
>> excuse on a 162200 for the supervisor
building. There's a significant raise
there
from 75. Um he responds to a lot of
calls around the clock at night
golf
um
bureau service.
So then who does the stipen go to? St.
» And then we're um uh proposing a over
about a $66,000 raise.
>> 66,000
» work.
Any other question for this department?
Okay, seeing none, we'll move to
page 47.
>> Bottom section.
Service.
>> I'm sorry, you said 47.
>> 47.
>> Thank you.
The public service administration
increased by 84%
approximately 3,000 329,000
is uh approximately $26,000 increase
for street administration. Um
» we still have increased by half a
person. Okay. Manager
um
There was 3.5 last year. There's four
this year. Um.5
» so street department manager is.5.
>> The IPS. Oh, I see.
>> The PSA increase
that increase for the civil service
employees.
>> Gotcha.
>> So, going back to the street maintenance
crew leader, the increases based on
>> Yeah. their crew leaders are also CSA.
So, those are other than the street
department manager
that is that's management obviously. So,
the crew leaders are contractual. So
it's the IPS.
>> Okay. Yeah.
Any other questions? Go ahead.
>> So
85010
those
you're saying that like it's like
$8,000.
>> They're CSA. Yes.
>> Those raises are steps and all that.
>> Those are contractual. Those are the CSA
raises.
There are also steps involved. I don't
know what step
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number
» I think it was explained to when we were
doing or somebody same thing it's it's
contractable
» yeah so they received in 25 they
received retro
New South
that doesn't reflect what was adopted.
» Okay. We move to PH 40th
>> and that is
» we did eliminate two AR positions out of
the uh B51 pen line. Um there were two
AR positions in there last year. They
were pink. Um one is now deleted. home.
So those two have been removed them for
cost measures.
>> They're vacant anyway.
>> They were vacant anyway.
>> Nobody's been displaced. Okay.
>> Thank you.
» Any questions regarding the section?
>> Go ahead.
>> Uh just from my knowledge, are there any
differences pay salaries for
SNAP and street? ask is just is there
any value in merging those two
which is equivalent there across the
board no matter where you are map parks
it's all the one title it's all the
exact same Overall
total street maintenance budget did come
down.
» Any other questions? We'll move to the
bottom of page 49.
This mechanic equipment garage
section for the day 5132 increased by
5.72%.
Fleet manager. We put in an assistant
fleet manager. Um
we picked up a lot of equipment down
there. We have a lot of vehicles that we
take care of. Um and we need a couple
more
the management of the denomin
workers comp. Um,
one is still out. Just came back in
last month. So, one will be out almost a
year at the end of game.
It's very difficult to maintain and keep
up with our sleek. um so many people out
our current fleet manager um is in there
turning wrenches um sorry to keep up
with the daily reports and stuff when
you're actually in a bay um turning
wrenches. So um the assistant fleet
manager so we are looking to put the
fleet manager back in keep an assistant
fleet manager um
overall again the budget came up also
because of that extra position but it's
well needed it's critical value
we don't have to tell you how many waste
trucks we have how many gun trucks and
then getting we already started getting
the the trucks ready for win start a
couple months in advance getting the
files
any better
» for this department. Um, do we have any
intergovernmental cooperation with the
county?
>> Yes, we can stand up to the county as we
have done this before. Um, but we are
saving money by doing a little bit more
in house. Um, other departments, PD uses
the county a little bit more frequently
than we do. Um, there's a lot of things
that we'll send to the county that, you
know, they couldn't perform and then it
goes out to a third party. So we just
lose that piece of equipment for a
longer period of time because it goes
from us to them. We've evaluated it's
over their skills and then it goes to
somebody else. So we we evaluate now if
we can't do it we're going to send it to
third party us.
>> I'm trying to recall last year when you
were doing this review I did mention
about keeping a lot of house
>> and that's why you were trying to back
this department
>> and we put an extra mechanic on last
year off
>> he's not been able to off because muscle
you been out to me on the day they
shift. So I have not been able to move
somebody to do some of the what I would
call when you approved it last year the
basic stuff like your oil changes tire
changes and things like that and if we
had a full staff and they also know that
when I can get back to full staff
somebody will go to that meeting ship
right now in all last year this past
year having two people off for almost a
year it would
>> it would devastate us on day times we
would get things stuck. So, it wasn't um
wasn't feasible yet. Still looking
forward to it, but until we get a full
staff and everybody back off,
one individual stays in base.
» How much how much of that is that the
two staff of work? How much of that is
still going to the county in terms of
like
>> we could either send a third party
the county you know we we still get you
know we send something there and they
can fix it but we've been doing almost
of it in house.
>> So in terms of the police can can we
take those I mean some or is that
>> the goal is too much? The goal last year
was the um the when we came to go on a
night shift that we could do some of the
basic stuff for some of the police
vehicles
>> um you know they were not being used to
shal
you save some money by doing it because
there it's some of this more basic
maintenance
>> um but again um I've got to get the
mechanical
back and working before we can do that.
» Does this look like a long-term work?
>> Um,
I think, you know, there's there's
things that can be addressed after one
year, but again, um, there's there
things that can be done, but I come back
before it reaches that one year mark.
You have two people out.
>> One just came back.
>> One came back. Now there's just one
person.
>> All right. So, and that person that just
came back is gone for
>> since last November.
>> Last.
>> Wow. So, now that you have them back,
>> we have one back.
>> One back. Now that you have that one
back that we still can't move that back
person over
>> now we're preparing all our plows and
stuff for win. So it's it's
>> hectic
go down you know the whole idea was you
know he's he's grown he's become
again
we're looking to just do like an oiler
basic stuff because we were short he's
grown considerably within the shop and
able to do a lot more than you know we
would have had to
so Any
other question? I know the reason why I
ask the question because I know last
year just because you want you know
Spanish this apartment when it was it
was double size so many years.
>> Two people.
>> Yeah.
Any any uh any good
hope uh hope for the better.
Okay. Any other question?
We'll move to page 51. And there's one.
>> You got to be careful.
» It's not budget obviously. We know what
it's more. It's grown slightly and
that's really to accommodate a couple
things is our fees for services for
outside services we increased by
$25,000.
Um and the road materials masonary that
is really our salt that we buy um and
they've increased that by um $30,000.
Um there was a little bit for tools and
hardware um just for some equipment
stuff in the shop.
Middle increase. We all hope that snow
is light but mother nature
grow nice.
Yeah,
>> we're going to knock on wood on that
one.
>> Any questions? Go ahead, please. Just uh
quickly around like how it seems like we
are outsourcing a lot of that snow
removal stuff like is that is there a
reason why we
>> we've been consistent with um the
contractors going back to even caring?
It's always been the same.
>> Yeah. Sure. So what I'm saying is like
but it's we're outsourcing a good amount
of it though, right? Like we like they
have more routes than than we have.
Correct. For snow removal.
>> I don't say they have more. They have
certain areas that they do.
>> Um some are congested areas like
Hamilton and the loaders are doing in
there. Um Woodlon area they stage their
loaders in different parts of the city.
So they're ready for us. Their fuel
tanks are there. So they fill up
themselves right there. Um
And you know they're they're contracted
with us for emergencies only. And you
know our staff is still
if they want to come in
>> do they still maintain the same
» three in or something
come in?
>> General come in. Okay.
You know, last year uh wasn't a bad bad
year for snow, but the complaints were
minimal. Um we get, you know, get the
subcontractors out early, 3 in or we
watch the weather, you know, for at 2
and a half inches. We know it's not
going to stop for the next five hours.
They're called, they get mobilized. Um
and again, they don't um take anything
away from our staff. Our staff is, you
know, we never have enough of our own
staff. Okay. They'll come in, they work,
but they do get tired. They got to go
home, driving big trucks.
>> Um, you know, because of safety issues.
So, but again, overtime is not
mandatory,
>> right?
>> And, um, we do have struggle sometimes
over time. Last year's first storm was
Thanksgiving.
Not a lot of people want to leave the
family at Thanksgiving. So,
>> I think also the additional cost of
maintaining 15
trucks would be taxing on the city. You
know, the government's trucks now are
costing us three and a quarter of these
new uh trucks. But the new technology
to, you know, limit the amount of salt
that goes on the roads and we're talking
close to half million dollars for those
quite
>> a maintain
>> and then maintain
trucks on
>> so it's cost effective. Yeah.
>> Is it based cost effective based on
machinery or the past staff capacity or
kind of
>> everything? It's just it's just total
cost package to buy the machine.
Some of these machines machines will
just sit all summer
>> where pay but that service has paid off
and then they do run when they break
down come and get repaired. Um, so
>> yes, you look at, you know, the the two,
you know, 250 275,000 we budget for the storm for the whole year for,
you know, a private contractor.
>> That's like a 500.
» I have to say when we discussed this
couple years ago at this to help, okay,
there were so many companies
and that's the service added. It it
really helped and I have to commend you
and your team
>> because our complaint has dropped
significantly
of people not getting their street well.
But thank you.
It's good that we have this there and
it's available at your disposal to make
sure that our streets are are clean.
» Any other questions regarding this?
>> No.
>> Okay. We will move to page
52
parts maintenance.
He's
back at the table.
When last you were here,
>> yeah, well,
thank you.
>> Maintenance A710Ere%
that's only an increase of $19,511.
season.
» You want to give us an overview? Tell us
what's happening. Tell us the good
things are happening over there and the
things that we need to know to improve
it.
>> How many things major change we made in
A7100?
We have our senior troopers.
>> That was one of the questions that came
up.
>> That was we had a senior troomer. He
actually comp.
who went to school, got himself
certified, and came back, which serves a
great uh great asset to the city's
connected. He's able to go out and
identify. He's not a dead end disease.
He's fully certified by New York State.
It's fantastic. There's no question
about anymore. We've made the right call
on a tree.
>> And we were and we were paying an
outside consultant through development
>> up to $80,000 a year just to be our
arborist. Now we have a senior tree
chairman who is in our works and it goes
back to um
retaining good people.
>> So do we have the equipment to help them
harbor the knowledge of trees and it
lets us know what type of tree you know
plant tree comes down on the edge of the
road. Sometimes people plant trees that
really are too big to put on the edge of
the road. He makes recommendations to
Billy myself what trees should be
planted there. He's evaluating the trees
in the past. We would you know we would
have the arousers come in that we were
sort of subcontracting with
they would look at the tree and tell him
if it was dead we would get the bill for
his call. We were getting build for you
know almost like a wire in 15 minute
intervals if he was email or anything.
So what we did is this gentleman went to
school, took a state exam, got certified
and we really want to retain him because
he is an asset now.
>> We're not paying somebody else to come
in and do this job on top of paying him
as a
>> so so what whatever recommendation is
made to you, you have the equipment to
go and take down the
>> Oh,
yes. He's an also fighter. So he's very
experienced in the in the bucket truck.
He's a climber.
>> He's
actually he's been helping
Jan development. He'll come out and he
can tell you what trees are, what
species you put along, streets to escape
and stuff.
>> We are seeing the savings down
using somebody that was being
subcontracted to
>> questions. Go ahead, please.
>> Um, definitely someone that does not
grow or have that understand I think not
how much science goes into it. Um, but
in walking the streets there is a very
direct need that evaluations came from
it. Is that something this individual
would be able to is it a true study or
there was a tree study a while back ago
and he does on people who call with you
know problems with the tree or you know
tops of them dead. I mean, we have a lot
of the large silver oak trees that
they've just got to the end of their
life.
They've got to the end of their life.
>> And he goes up, evaluates, he tells us
that the tree is comes out and if he
handles the tree, he takes it down.
There are some trees that we can't,
whether they're too big, we need
praying. And then, you know, we
establish a list, it's up to bid, you
may put four white trees on it and do a
bid. Um, so we have an agreement with
National Grid. If there's tree that's
involved with wires, National Grid comes
evaluates it, they'll take it down on
the wires and we do the cleanup. So, um,
it's that program is it's come a long
way. help in the city.
>> When I came back on board last fall, we
had I met with this gentleman that stole
our trees and we set a program to start
in the winter time and he fell through
the ice fishing in January. So, the
whole program went backwards by about 6
months. So, he just came back in June
and what was it? May when we hired the other tree trimmer.
>> Uh the not the same.
>> Yeah. So, we hired the other tree
trimmer. So, we're about to get we just
got the kid fully trained. We got them
ready to go. So, we're about to come
back up again with a full program of
evaluating street by street by street.
We're going neighbor by neighborhood,
determining where our complaints were,
what was coming in. Obviously, quick
fix, looking, evaluating, setting them
up, and then going into the
neighborhoods and removing trees.
>> I'd just like to add that we have two
tree guys in the entire city.
>> We have a lot of taxing on these
gentlemen. One of one of the problems we
have is we have two tree guys, but we
only have seven people in the parks
department. So when we have to do monic
tree jobs, something has to stop. We
have to either stop doing mowing or
doing maintenance somewhere because we
have to we have to fully staff that tree
crew where we have to have flags. We
have to have blind men. It's a whole
complicated thing. So it's a
>> they come in at night during all the
storms and the
>> we trees trees come down. I give I I h
appreciate for these guys the the work
that they're doing every day for us.
» So um we never with all the trees that
we never ever call outside company ever
to help us with that.
>> There are trees like I we said a few
minutes ago there are trees that are
just they need a CR you know where
they're sitting or in their house you
know um he can't take you down. He's
very honest. He says, "I can't." Then we
do, you know, we establish a list. We do
send that out. Usually there's six to
seven companies. They we mark the
treats. They go out, look at them, they
send the price in, um, and they'll do
it.
There are just some that are beyond our
capabilities,
>> but we're still saving money because
instead of the initial cost for somebody
to go out identify, he's in house doing
that now. Well, also our response time,
especially at night when we have major
storms, uh depending on our loads are
blocked. If we're tying up policing
fire, we have a major tree down, we
respond with our proof there right away.
» Can you touch on
line 120, part-time seasonal salary?
It's almost um doubling up 20 25
>> 133
It's 52 bott,000.
There's two line items in staff when we
did it.
>> One was moved over because what we were
trying to do is for some reason the
season were all lumped together in
staff. So they're all getting paid and
what we're trying to do is put the cost
where the costs go st. So that didn't
that came up but it also got moved out
of snap. So if you go back to the snap
object
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» management it's um
1621 21 had labor sleep 175,000
>> then we had labor temporary 70,000 if
you look we reduced the labor season
from 175 to 156 but we removed the 70
and moved it to because what we're
looking at is Bill and I spoke how many
people he uses on a regular basis as
seasonal in the park for roughly how
long a period to cover summer and into
the fall and then and allocated those
seasonals down into parks. So we got
moved from one put together.
What allows us to do is when we actually
start to move forward with more trees, I
can remove my permanent people, put them
on the tree. So I'm more confident that
I can put them on the trees and they're
going to be safe and use the seasonal
people probably do the mundane things in
the park that we have.
» PL to show the people where they work.
Um so there are two significant raises
also on the set of A71.
Um the park supervisor
is CSA. So it's going to follow the same
line as that and
>> the tree trimmer is because he's now an
arborist.
Well, the tree
>> there was error I think in the past if
you look at the old salaries the tree
was making
>> I think was it dollar something more
>> than the so you know
>> what
>> than the
>> so he's cutting trees for a dollar more
an hour and you have to keep somebody
there who cut trees and gone at night
for an hour they'll just go back to
help.
It's just one of these items that the pay wasn't right for the the job and
it somehow that's how it was done and
you know
you want to rectify it if you'd like to
rectify it
but he's a tree trimmer
and he also maintains his um CDL so he
also has the CDL like everybody else but
he's not trim for a
is responsible for equipment
maintenance. He makes sure his blades
are sharpened. He keeps his blade
sharpened. He takes care of his
equipment. He knows how to bloom truck.
They run they run stump grinder piece of
equipment on the um you know
the chipper on the back of the truck to
you know put all the locks in. It's a
dangerous job.
» Uh 871 and 120 that part one the year to
date that's 30,000
you can identify how busy seasons are
the gap on that well again the year
parks you have to go back and look and
see what was being spent in SN
question for parks
seeing none of the next page
pools maintainance
Maintenance by 9.24%.
again
helping with chemicals um moving
chemicals around our shelves there. Um
so the the pool maintenance equipment um
that item there came down PS maint
um where we've seen our increases is in
our fees for services. weekend
anticipated, you know, a rate increase
from Boys and Girls Club to do all the
lifeguarding. Again, their salaries are
going to go up. So, we did increase that
slightly from 202500 to 209 588. Um
supplies um slightly up 1750 to 2250. Um
closing and direct bids, we did drop
repairs uh 5,500.
Um,
you know, overtime
question for overtime.
» And the repairs every year on some of
the pools, nothing new, but the pools,
the health department has us co. Now,
this year, we had some paint left from
last year, so we could spend as much
because there was some of the um
rubberized paint um that our painter did
the the pools with. So, um the paint
will come out of that that paint. I
think the last time to go was around
$15,000.
Um and then it covers tile work and it
also covers every year at least we have
to have somebody come in and um certify
the
um the lifts um for the handicap lifts.
Usually maintenance on those company.
So, it's not just one pool. It's just
Yeah, it's black and bush. front street
is Central Park.
>> So, can you give us a recap of the
Central Park in terms of the changes
that was recently adopted in terms of
the attendance last year? I know we had
open to everybody this year. We kind of
cut it back to resident with with a
little bit of leeway in terms of who can
come.
>> Can you give us a snapshot of what
happened? How is it? Did it better?
It was uh the first week was really
tough because people didn't really
understand the changes that took place.
We we've seen a lot of people come out a
lot a lot of people if you look at your
driver's license says connectity on it.
We don't go by what's connected by the
way street business. A lot of people
don't understand that for mailing
purposes. The first four or five days I
actually stayed up. I worked the gate up
there with with our people and we
probably turned away 100 to 120 people a
day that were from Miss Una but we
didn't have line disconnect any
residents standing outside full looking
in while residents from other
communities were so it actually worked
some of the people from outside our
community were were a little iate with
us but after a while they understood and
then the scan people were very happy
because they got in the pool I don't
know how many came up said I stood
outside last year for two hours to get
in this pool but he can't put a front
water and this unit for swimming or
pool. So, it worked pretty good. It was
It worked out really good. And one of
the benefits we had with the school, our
arrangement with the school district was
really good this year. There was even
better security people up there. We had
some issues like the first week till the
kids got acclimated that we actually had
security at that point there.
>> It was good because the security people
knew the children had little issues in
the school. They knew they knew who they
were already and the security people
knew who they were. so that right away
they'd rather talk to him right away. So
it worked out really good.
>> What would you change or improve into
the next year? For example,
» one of the biggest problems we had is
people and the hygiene of their children
that would go down call a code brown.
That's that was a major problem that
happened a few times. At one time it was
really big. They had a call. We had
called me care. We had we had actual
post for 24 hours circulated,
>> you know, trying to get and it's posted
on all signs. It tells people that you
must wear the proper swimwear when
you're in the pool and
>> expensive too.
>> But how how would you address that in
the future?
» I think maybe we have to adjust the
parents. that they're dressing up. They
can with their children, explain to them
that they have to stay on top of that
because it causes a problem for the
whole pool. One of those not a bunch if
it happens in the baby pool because
that's an isolated pool that that shuts
down. That's fine. But when it happens
in the big pool that the whole
tested, everybody's going to be out of
it.
>> So, what is currently there? your
comfort moving into next year with those
rules.
>> Yeah, I think the rules are good. I
think everything that was put in place
that we discussed back in the springtime
worked out really good. I think it
worked out
>> and going in here too.
So, you know, the people from they they
know there's a little bit. So, the first
year like anything the first year is
it's the learning process.
>> Oh, and we've made arrangements. So, we
had made arrangements with we had uh one
of the Catholic schools or one of the
organizations we anticipated that
they had a bunch of sketity kids that
they identified. The problem was is they
brought their uh their sher with them
that weren't connectedity. We screened
them. We let them they called me before.
So I met them up there. We got them in
regard to the pool.
>> Yeah.
>> So we accommodated that. That was one of
the questions that everybody had brought
up and we worked that out.
>> Go ahead, please. Do we quack and bush
on street? It's residents only as well
there as correct. Not long
anybody
>> any just central
the uh
front street where people have to be you
know turned up turned away.
>> Thank you.
>> Go ahead please.
>> So the what you just explained about
chat rooms because they were from a
school and children were from the um
from the city. Does that extend to
parents who live outside the city and
you can confirm that their child goes to
school there?
>> If they can confirm that and that's one
of the thing the great part of having
the school security people there. We
have the school system there. I forgot
what it's called in
>> the safety team.
>> The safety
go tell you if you were connect so so
you're safety school.
>> Yeah. The safety team had it there. So
if you came you were the stepfather and
you said oh my son goes to school.
>> We brought his name in said fine. at me
brought them right in. We had a lot of
people show up. We had people show up
that claimed they were connected, but
when they ran them through the system,
they didn't pop up in the system and
they tried to and to school safety
people said, "No, they're in the school
system, they will pop up in that
system." So I don't want to extend this
conversation because it's really
something that
however a child lives in you go to
another school like a charter school in
Albany or some place they won't show up
in the system but still resident and so
I don't know how that's getting handled
but that's another situation that was
brought forward.
>> So
there
I don't want to I don't want to try to
get you to do the whole uh figure it out
thing here. I just want to be able to
say those kind of things come up. So I
just was wondering if there was ways to
any plans for next year.
>> So um there might be like some
more you know extreme extenduating
circumstances for maybe maybe kids but
any kid that is say that you live in
Skenctity and you go to a charter school
in Troy or Albany or something like that
you still will show up in the database.
If you are a kid that goes to that lives
connectity and you go to some of the
private schools um
well you can and still should show up in
the database that might be like I said
that might be a little a little more
tricky but definitely charter schools
there still connected these cities.
>> Yeah, we're talking there was a few
problems we manage that
>> but some of the things we identified
with people we know because what we had
is we denied people access to the pool.
There was people said, "Give me $10 and
I'll bring you." They were doing
wheels out there.
» But it's really it's exceptions,
remember? I mean,
>> right. It's not the norm. It's just
certain things that happen that like you
said, Mary. Different things that we'll
address as we as we move forward again
next year, we'll address them. We'll
look at the situations.
» I was going to say briefly, you talked
about those code rounds. Would you say
it's more to like parents not knowing or
lack ability to the resources? I was
thinking
>> cost of clean. Is there any thought in
like hedging the bets and offering
services or offering supplies?
>> I'm sorry. I don't understand.
>> So it cost dollars to to remedy that
type of situation would have
>> Oh, I saw I didn't know what you I
didn't
I understand. It wasn't the diaper. They
were just an accident.
>> Oh,
>> they were probably
>> they just didn't make it.
>> But to Mr. Williams point in the that's
a couple bucks and I don't want to speak
for the school district, but there's a
lot of resources that you know even
through sketity shares we could stock
something like that.
>> But that's a really good point.
>> It's cool. The
t-shirts or any other pantries and
>> we could do a special
>> a special for the summer. That's not a
bad idea. But even, you know, at the
pantry, I mean, we keep some diapers.
Um, it's not something that sometimes
people just ask us, you know what I
mean?
>> Um, so we do have some diapers.
>> Yeah, they're the swim diapers.
>> Swimming
explain what the swim diapers were
because a lot of the people didn't
really understand what the swim diaper
was.
>> It's a good idea for us to think about.
We not
It's a special type paper.
>> Yeah,
>> right. It is
>> good suggestions. Something that we
should look into next year
>> to have that available. It's a good idea
>> for hearings.
>> Okay. Any other questions before we move
into p
56
waves administration?
» I'm sorry.
>> Go ahead.
Oh, you want to talk capitals?
» Yes, we do.
>> Yes, there are.
>> So, before we turn to P6,
let's uh go to capital with parts
>> before we let uh take out there. just
low speed
property management. But I'm pretty sure
that I know the grounds master mower is
one of the bigger mowers now to do the
fields. Um it'll be the new ground park
field. It will be the the ball field the
C diamond field diamond. So that's the
new master mower to do the bigger
fields. Okay. Uh that would be in the
parks and the F350 regular cab with
plows, two of them. Was that both Chris?
Do you remember? Was that both for parks
or was one parked and one property man?
>> Um
both.
>> Okay. So they were both parked and
they're going to replace any any vehicle
replaced is 10 plus years older. And I
think some of these pickups go back to
probably 15 or 16 years old. So they're
>> the vehicles in parks are
» so the bottom two were from the parks.
the other ones if you want just real
quick because we did property management
um the rolloff truck that's the property
management truck that
truck is getting quite old and some
rolloff boxes I think that will give us
about eight boxes $45,000
and the Toro with the dingle attachment
is a small piece of equipment that we
can go in and appear to be easier some
of these um abandoned properties or
properties that people have to take care
rather than trying to use a weed
whacker. It's a little bit beefier piece
of equipment. Uh the dingo you can stand
on it and cut your head. Um you know
some of these properties it's it's not a
long cut. It's a lot of brush
» questions on this capital project.
Thank you so much.
>> Thank you. Thank you.
We're going to go to
» 56.
» We hit street from big.
>> Yeah, I was going to wait until we
>> Yeah, that's why I did
» socks.
Starting with police administration.
>> Yes.
>> Police administration decreased by
27.04% 04% from 299,41
to 218,5,000
» just
sorry
» obviously we did the waste
administration we did move some um some
salaries around um help fund
my back
watery
water waste water. So we move that
outside of the one out of the waste
administration budget. Um
that you know actually reduced obviously
the um you know the 100 million um it
reduced the longevity
or kind of stay the same
tools and uniforms stay the same here.
go down through we made some cuts almost
and everything that we could. If you
look at supplies, we went from 1750 to
a,000 and based on looking at what we
spent so far this year
for next year.
That would be the waste administration
waste collection.
No.
» So you move yourself out of part of your
salary administration to where?
>> Water.
>> All. So you all right now?
>> So 5050 water.
>> Okay. Um the second part is for the
assistant solid waste supervisor. Is
that also um
traffic?
>> Yeah, that's back.
» Any other questions for W
administration?
>> See, now we'll move to W collection.
>> Waste collection approximately 30%,000.
The two assistants on the way
supervisors are contractual. Again,
there's free conditions. So again,
that's a contractual through CSCA.
Um labor loader,
we are requesting two more in waste
collection. Five last year, we're
looking at seven this year. Um motor
equipment operators are maintaining 15.
Those are the drivers. Those are the
annuals mediums and the labor loaders.
on the back. Um, we rely on them to do a
good job. We run 14 seasonals.
Um, and we have the labor loaders.
The big jump. Yeah, the big jump in
season label loaders is to really pay
the cost. Like we talked about, we
didn't have seasons in waste. They were
being pulled from staff. So, uh, there
was a line headed to the 8161, which is
the seasonal labor loader variance 214
396
that'll reflect 14
current season that we have on that
>> and that we're going to see that go back
to snack there
>> no that's came out of snack
>> oh okay
>> because again it wasn't reflective of
the true costs in waste
>> because we were paying snap
>> right okay
>> so these are these show the true actual
department.
>> So now I know over the years we we
bombarded your question as to why the
vice map is so
>> overloaded in all these costs,
>> right? And it was just that you know
they put the seasonal in one area and it
was a general fund.
Now what we're trying to do is put the
cost into the departments that they go.
>> Um
so that's those are the biggest I'll
take some questions.
>> It was waste working hours.
>> That was I think that was me.
>> That's the $2 everybody in waste.
>> Everybody in the waist receives $2 from
the work. Um and if they come from
another department for that day because
you know we were short-handed, they pick
up that $2.
Mr. Williams.
>> Yes. I ask what's the pay rate for
seasons?
>> Yep.
Oh, damn.
I guess
>> I'm sure all the pockets.
>> Um,
right now for 2025, a labor loader is
21108. Okay,
>> that's a labor and they get $2 obviously
for being engaged. The seasonal 1750 and
they get $2 more for being anyway
» $2 at that time.
>> That's across the board whether you're
seasonal, whether you're if you're
assigned to waste,
you get the $2 more an hour. Um it's
really because they're out there today
in the pouring rain out there with other
pullbody staff for sure. They get that
$2 for the for the day's work, too.
>> Yeah.
>> There there's also an additional dollar
if they're one man on the back of the
truck versus a two man.
>> That's great.
>> They they have the option. It's not uh
it's not mandatory, but if we run short
and somebody says, "I don't mind. I'll
load long." They pick up another dollar.
So
>> do we see that regularly
one person?
I know we blast here sometime we talk
about
stuff
talking about people you know over
>> you see that often
>> there are some guys that you know they work hard and you know they will if
I want that extra
>> there's a lot of guys that actually ask
for it to be alone
that that want that extra dollar
that's a tough
It's a really tough job.
» Question please.
>> Is that a contract agree? That 1750 1950
is that a contract agree?
>> Yeah, that's the seasons are still under
the under the 1037 agreement and that $2
part of that agreement.
It's probably the worst time to ask this
being that we're going in negotiations,
but like how are we situated uh in
comparison to like other local
municipalities over here?
>> There's not a lot of local people that pick up.
just different, you know, like Mosqu,
they're all picking up, you know, they
all
>> um you know, there's not a lot of teams
that actually have guys on the back of
the truck anymore,
>> right?
>> And they are up. So,
>> um I mean, you can look around.
>> I was just Yeah, just
>> I just went back
this over and over safety.
Are we still having that issue? People
out.
>> They're showing up with safety boots.
Are they getting reimbured? And they
will ring it.
>> They get reimbured. The checks go up by
August. Um
» I don't see them wearing them.
» We have some videos. We have pictures.
Uh people are sending that these guys
around.
>> It's a tough point with
>> We could send them all home and pick up
the garbage.
That's it is something that we need to
>> we remind them they get they get their
safety glasses, they get their gloves,
they get their safety vests
about safety boots and a while and they
because they're on their feet walking
down the streets all day long. Um, we
can be more diligent. Um, but we
>> so
>> I I I don't see many honestly
I don't see a lot of feet injuries,
you know, twisted ankles and stuff like
that. A lot of uh, you know, it's back
injuries, a shoulder, it's a it's an
elbow, it's they get their fingers
crushed in the machine. Um, you know,
that that's the injuries we've seen. And
I don't want to say that I'm fighting
for, you know, sneakers or boots, but
it's a tough job that these guys have on
their feet all day uh running around.
>> Yeah. I I think that the whole idea is
for them to, you know, show up show up,
have a safe working environment, and be
back home with their family. I I go
through these boxes of of safety guys
and boxes to give these guys safety, you
know, because I want them wearing, you
know, and
you have a lot of the tough guy
mentalities out there,
you know, the next thing you know,
they're they're gone.
So there's no way to mandate that
they had that horrible accident which is
>> odd
though.
>> It is mandated. But like Paul says
if we send them all home at the end of
the day the garbage isn't going to get
picked up. You know, it's it's a tough
job. You can have to
>> you can chase it and you know down the
next lock and take them put them in
their pocket. You know, you you can't be
there.
>> How would you do that?
>> You can tell them every day, we want you
to come in. We have to be safe. We want
you to go home. Your family safe.
>> Okay. But you can't be on every truck
making sure they're doing exactly what
you want all the time. And safety shoes
is in the contract. It has to be across
the board, not just waste,
>> water, sewer, parks, map, streets,
>> everybody. If you're And we want
everybody
>> and like Chris said is most of our I
don't remember the last time somebody,
you know, had a foot injury. It's it's
obviously they hurt their back. They
sprained their back, their shoulder, an
elbow. Um, and
we give them everything they need.
So, so I imagine the safety boost is the
primary functions like the steel toe
type of things that we're trying to
>> Yeah, they they have to have OSHA
approved which can be plastic now.
There's composits
really cold. They have composits now.
>> I was going to say like there's a lot of
different
>> more comfortable
uh shoes now that meet the requirements.
So, you would hope that, you know, they'd be able to like
make some changes with that.
>> Yeah, sneakers out there.
>> Yeah, they do have sneakers.
>> I bought a pair for myself and I wear
step out some sneakers and see if they
stay out.
>> No, because it's one of those things
that goes wrong, right?
>> All right. We don't we don't want anyone
to get hurt. Absolutely. We'll work at
some reminder and put a couple some
little bulletins and reminders to
it. Overall, it's a safety concern and
it's for their benefit.
>> Oh, absolutely.
>> And we just need to make sure that we
enforce it.
>> Any u question regarding waste
collection?
>> Okay, we're going to move to uh
waste disposal.
We just sold by 850%
approximately 1.8 million to 1.9
million.
» All of that is actually right in the
tipping fee. Um we do have a contract
with county waste. So um you know they
go up by CTI on an annual basis.
fuel prices have been down, but there
are escalators in there with regards to
um you know fuel prices charges. Um but
you know again
>> it does
>> based on some CPI numbers we all have a
tip as well every year know the pies
we're going to pay for slage disposal
recycles um
any questions on this
» see now move waste recycling right on
the bottom of page 58 to 59.
>> Waste recycling increased by 15.4.4
million to 1.6 million approximately
that's
» you just want to give us
>> and again what we did is you know we
split the difference on seasonals
between recycling and waste because it's
what we do with the two 15 and 15. So we
do it with the labor loaders and we did
it with the seasonals.
So they sort of mirror each other with
recycling
with the uh the staffing
and there are some vacancies in there
and again we do maintain a couple
vacancies because of the training
program that we offer. So we have had
ways we had two or three right at least
two or three
in the waste of
» question on waste recycling.
» Is there a timeline for that?
>> Once they get their permit it starts to
clock for 9 months. Okay.
If they, you know, if they take their
road test and they pass, they just
resign again. If you see that they're
actively trying, yes, because what we
do, there's just that seasonal, they get
their permit after so many um 160 hours
of drive time a day. We give it to them
and then we give them a little point for
temporary as an incentive. We see that
they're making progress. But what we
don't want to do is have somebody just
get to temporary stay there. We watch
them build that get their license and
we may recommend there.
So there's instances of seasonal to
labor to
>> seasonal.
Yeah. And then since when they get their
permit, we move them into a
position. And then once they get their
license, then we take the test. And we
have one of the trainers and workers,
you know, all morning before the road
test to try to ensure that he was
pre-trip and everything else. And if he
passes, um, you know, he's still
valuable because he still need people to
come to work. Have a good record, good
work ethic, too.
Any
other questions?
>> Well, the document that you provided
analysis and so is this essentially
revenue.
>> Yeah, that
that's all the revenue from year 25.
Um you see the revenue access
uh no legislation so I put there so it's
not included
expect
so that numbers
that
there
around 97,000 shortfall
for 256
at the bottom
as commissioners
benefits
26
water
If you look at the revenue, that's the
increase of
110
properties.
And what
the
» new trash
that's the new budget amount
waste cost. So this debt service
benefits workers compility
for fuel buildings and repairs and
labor.
So, so the mechanical
» these are only
» not just back up only waste.
» We put usually around 10 trucks out a
day.
We don't have 14 trucks out a day in um
you know in other parts of LGS the
street department unless there's a
snowstorm. So the garbage trucks are are
used heavily regularly every day. So
they get a lot of wear and tear
maintenance.
» 2026 amount that you're showing includes
the proposed increase. So that's that
number.
>> Thank you.
» Any questions?
>> Okay. You see now
water pow
have revenue
expenditure
» the revenue alliance I know you first
I briefly mentioned it in the uh
overview um but I can just repeat um
eventually with the fee rate increases
uh who went through the budget here um
it's really going to affect the
commercial units within the city and
then outside city so the residents are
not being affected by any rate increases
uh
and we did increase the appropriate fund
balance
um which reflects 400,000 is u reflects
that increase which we're moving into
the general fund budget to help mate
that gap
>> yeah revenues and expenditures within
the general fund other than that
basically
something
» and then just again it's only 5.39%
increase. So for 25 it's about
» that's overall
distribution administration
>> reservoir everything
» question
on the taxes that came through um in
But it is the property that we have at
the wfield moist road the assessed value
has been reduced. So um
the assumption is that those taxes will
drop
550,000 or maybe less but on the safe
side we probably do 550,000 because the
assessment reduction.
Any question?
>> See now we'll move into a solar fund.
Commissioner just give us
quick snapshot.
There's no fee increases that are
biased.
We did increase the appropriate tax
return to 100,000. Um and we did
increase the general fund transfer by
another 100,000. So 2.2 million 2.3
million said where's that cap?
» Any question regarding the fun?
>> Go ahead.
>> So
you said that um your
down split between the store
>> water and store
>> and that's it.
Um is there a salary increase for you on
that?
>> I would assume 3% or
it needs to be a third from general
water
» should be a 3% increase.
>> So this so this so what we saw in 2025
was a third.
>> Okay. Thank you.
Any other questions?
Seeing none, I think we forward
everything.
the where would I find the um MEO
position and SNAP and the two in street
maintenance that were um
taken out from
>> and they're in the
former art
street ones were formerally artific
So the two of these were okay.
And the one meal and snap, it's still
there, right? It's just not filled.
>> Well, it's it's just
okay.
That was my request.
>> Okay. We'll move into capital projects.
Uh well person
collection
» you said capital.
>> I'm not taking out anything
capital
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or
What are we doing?
>> Waste collection. Collection waste
collection.
» For our supervisors and two new garbage
truck
been trying to keep up the per year.
>> Yeah.
>> In place. Uh we've been buying those off
the
police
again.
» Any questions?
See now we'll move to street mechanical.
being available equipment. It's going to
be for two regular cat pickups with plow
and replace the two oldest ones in the
fleet that are said everything we're
replacing is 10 plus years old. Um
there's two pickup trucks. A hot box
truck is a 10 yard single kind of truck
that keeps our laptop hot so we can you
know when we start early
eats it up we use it all the time makes
more pl so we can do ples you know
and a forklift our forklift
I think
for
the neuros
load trucks with plows, different
things. It's just
exceeded it.
>> The note you have on here is from 1988.
» I8
say 198.
>> Yeah.
>> Wow.
>> We've got our
>> Yeah.
>> Okay. Any question on that?
>> It's like half
water.
I was going to ask for a utility
van electrician. We bought one I think
four years ago
using one of the old um fire
off. We've been losing for a couple
years. We tried to get the last out of
it and we are looking for a new utility
for the electric and he travels all
over. He's not just to the water.
police department, fire department, all
our buildings. He works throughout the
city for all departments. Um
water distribution repairs. That's
typically $100,000 to do some main work
uh or some we've been trying to do now
is we call um insert tunnels. Um a lot
of the valves in the city have to re
replace so we have a company that can
come in uh they can do it live under
pressure. So we don't have to shut the
maintenance down. when we shut them in
down, they always jeopardize drinking
another. So, they do it under pressure
for us. So, it's just for general work
in the in the uh in the system. The
hydro excavator will replace 2016 unit.
It's $595,000.
They um what that is, it's a large
vacuum truck which will pull the earth
out of the ground by vacuum. Because of
the number of utilities in the ground
now, national grid and rise and
everything else, it's very difficult to
dig the back. So, we make the and we
computers and we help damage gas lines
and stuff. So, we are going to looking
to replace the 2016
uh valve maintenance trailer. Um what
that does is as we go out and open some
open our valves, exercise our valves,
some of our valves take 400 turns. It
takes a couple guys a long time to do
400 turns on some of these valves. So,
these are electric valve box on a
trailer. You hook it up and it does it
automatically. It'll if it hits
resistance or torque so it doesn't break
it, you back it up and do it again. So,
um, you know, we found that to be
important. We had to break down one of
the bigger mains and we had to shut down
36.
>> It takes about an hour and a half just
to get the valve closed. So,
and then um wellfield improvements um
redevelopment. We always redevelop wells
based on their hours and um what they
started to to reduce the volume come
through the wells and then we'll start
the phase two design of $950,000.
So we do have some grant money out there
and again I think you all know that I
consult for lots of grant money received
over $50 million in the last five years.
So we always um chase grant money first
but when these projects are we're doing
these projects we get the design ready
on the do uh we score better because
they know the projects that we are
really looking at not we're looking for
the money we get the money we'll do the
project these are projects that are
going to you know add resiliency to the
city staff back up a lot and everything
else
we definitely very successful getting
you know a lot
>> any question on
capital project see
sewer. Yeah. Project sewer
dump truck. Uh it's replace
there. But one of the dump trucks in the
sewer division 300,000
um compressor truck that we use
for the jackhammers, air hammers. It's
built into the truck. So when we're out
when we firework, the air hammer's right
there with us. So those are the two that
would be in the what we call sanitary
sewer. Um and then we have 1.25 million
for water treatment plant equipment
that would be like
pumps uh grid system
that runs 24 hours a day
if it turns off.
So it's just one of those little
infrastructure pieces that
You're always you're always putting
hearts into
and then the Southary pump station $1.1
million
and this is pump station off boulevard.
It's a very old can station. Um we're
starting to see development downtown
area. Um
not size to take some of the flow. Um
it's old. All it is is a a can station.
It's just got a lid on it. You have to
crawl, you know, climb down the ladder.
There's two pumps down the bottom of
that pit. Very hard to work on. Um
I've been here since 7 a.m. It's the
same pump station.
>> Oh my goodness.
>> And the only place in there were the
incoming pumps. As they walked, it's
time to, you know, start to design work
>> and um get a consultant on again. We
will look for grant money. um there's
anything available.
» Any questions on capital?
» See none. Thank you so much.
>> Sorry.
>> I mean, can I just say I think it was
significant reduction from terms of your
capital equipment.
started
we have
» thank you so much
any other any other business in support
of finance
so uh before we uh join uh before we
recess our next meeting
next Wednesday, October the 15th at 5:30
p.m. We will go through the remaining of
the budget
recess finance committee until the
second.
>> All in favor? I thank you.
>> Thank you. Great job.
» It's not midnight,
>> Sam. It's not one thing.
I'm sorry but it feels like it
though
my my dogs don't respect
they have needs.