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Okay. Okay. Okay. Today is October 7, 2025, at 4.30 pm. I mean, it's the select board meeting to order.

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is not able to be here tonight, so I will run this video tonight as by a share.

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First order of business is we have some minutes to improve and I say that we don't have the July 3rd minutes.

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And I believe the January, so

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if you had an opportunity to review the minutes.

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Yes.

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You want me to make a motion?

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I would like to say make a motion or approval of a wedgel eye third and set a different

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life on the sole.

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Definitely.

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We got it.

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We'll go ahead and get your hair out.

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I'll set it.

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I'm there for you in the discussion.

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No.

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With that, we'll go along.

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I'll get your hair out.

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Take a look.

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And we'll go ahead and get your hair out.

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Okay, so moving on to appointments, we have a question, you know what, you want to approve

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yourself, but September 9th, once I drive them present, or we do that.

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I always do that.

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Yeah, absolutely, we do.

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Yeah.

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Go ahead.

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Okay.

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So moving on, we're going to appointment through all officers.

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Tonight.

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Nidalee Grant, and Miguel Varylo.

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Varylo, yellow Varylo.

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Chief Cavalty, do you like the interview so much?

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Yes, actually, I believe they're on the Zoom

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from the station.

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We've gone through with a recruitment and selection process

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and we've got two great candidates for the Academy.

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Ready to start the Academy

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and just would like them to be appointed as student officers at this.

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If I could say one thing.

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That's the most exciting part of my job when it comes to seeing new police officers

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or fire men to the municipal work.

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Not only administrative lines and things like that, but that's a different point of service.

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In today's world things are just increasing.

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And this is the future of our police department.

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yes very proud of this. So are we appointing in this control

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options? No, we're not but student objecting.

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No, we're ready to make some come back to and ask for something to be appointed as

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I get a motion to or to a point, excuse me, they go, I ran and Miguel, when we're done,

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you're real, as student office, the most, we're going to chair our second very early discussions

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of circle.

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We'll call it both young, gay, you make a lot, and more you can chair our, thank you, thank you

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guys.

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Thank you.

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Thank you.

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Thank you.

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Thank you.

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Thank you.

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Thank you.

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Thank you.

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So, delaying the long, I think she's a good question.

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What's the question?

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Okay.

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To tell me about the mission, is that the Zoli Viola review committee?

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Yes, that's the one.

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The Zoli Viola review committee.

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Let's get to the motion.

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So, what?

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so we're going to move on to an update from Nancy and also we have Sam Hartier for the high school project and I'll let them report so we'll start wherever you want.

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Any more?

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Sure.

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Thank you.

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Thank you for having me.

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I'm Santa Marta.

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We're at the high school.

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And what we requested from this slide.

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As we have from all the other five times as well.

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Is the letter of support for a grant application.

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And that's through the executive office of education.

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The Massachusetts.

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And this is a grant for CT extension.

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And it is designed for schools that are in the Massachusetts

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This is a small building, a story of pipeline in the program, which we are currently for

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building a vision reservation project.

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So it aligns nicely with our goal of trying to keep the cost of this project as long as

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it can be, and also support the programming that we need, the educational program that we

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have.

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So I sent the brand itself with a mock-up letter to Joe for a lot of back.

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I mean, if you have any questions about the grant itself, I'm happy to have them, but

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that's essentially it.

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We've asked all the towns the same question, without the same request, and we have some

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letters of support from industry partners in the community who support our CTE shops.

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As you know, we're comprehensive high school, we have six, sorry, CTE stands for Career Technical

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education, folk tech. We have six shops and we're focusing on three, we can focus on three

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areas with this grant and we're going to focus on property, automotive and health assistance.

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And that has everything to do with the current design. It is the only way the adjacencies are

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in just the way it currently finds, it lends itself to this

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So that's why we chose those three.

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I do agree with you.

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I do agree with you.

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It's a good proof of yourself.

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It's a good thing.

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It just has some suggested for me.

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Obviously it's your letter.

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But I just have to have the address.

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Address line.

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Contact you.

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So.

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So, I mean, if that's not the actual order that you want to use, this is the actual order.

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I said it's a law

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which we're going through is just asking us to insert a little information

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about the organization.

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That's the only thing we haven't finalized about this, again, but the content needs to be exactly

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what they have here.

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And we just thought what it is at the time it is very enthusiastic, because he asked me to

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supports a month. We do have a teaching. Say what is the exact herb use that you see that recently the other day.

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So it will be a size of a grant.

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Oh, yes.

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It's up to five million. I bet.

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Yeah, it's just five million. We're going to go for the, I'm going to say the full five million.

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We have to close the grant out on June 30, 2018.

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It is only a year of instruction.

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So a lot of the grant will come.

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We'll support the design.

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And then there's the OPM and services that, so I think about three million will go to the construction and then the rest will go to design and services discussed.

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Yeah, but what do you have to spend it and what do you hear?

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Great question October 30th and in this month we have government the application back in December.

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I'm not sure what the day is in some of, you know, big pool of money is.

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I don't know if it's in here.

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I don't know how big the EOE pool of money is.

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I'm just curious.

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Not big day.

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Have you thought of anything like this in the past?

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I don't know.

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I haven't worked on this.

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This is the first MSVA sponsor I've worked on.

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So I don't know if they have in the past.

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And I will also say this, because the building costs are so extreme now,

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and with the tariffs, the MSBAA, I think, really wants to see projects succeed.

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And so they are making these opportunities more available than they were in the past.

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Or maybe they're really the third party funding, any sort, they're all private state.

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And the relaxing was restrictions as of June 30, 2023, which is great news for us.

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And then in addition, they're increasing their reimbursement rates.

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The amount they'll reimburse for eligible spare footage.

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I think when we started out, we were at $329 per foot, which is somewhat low for community

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like ours.

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We're using a fall part of 1500, and so now we're up to 605 of us.

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So just over these three years that we've been in this program, they almost double the

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reimbursement rate for construction.

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They're also increasing it for things like furniture, pictures and equipment.

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That's point from 1200 to 1900 for a student.

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So demolition, all sorts of services, both of them, they're really...

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So that's all encouraging and we won't know what it is when it goes until it's down here.

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Okay, it's all very encouraging.

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Good.

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No, no, no.

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I like the motion to support the CTC expansion grant program.

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So we're going to try our second.

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Is there any other discussion?

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So I wanted to update you all on name. Um, so where that school building project is, um, it's currently in this schematic design base and working hard to reduce the square footage and making choices to maximize the end.

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the SBA reimbursement, and there's things like what Sam was talking about the grant

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program.

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Right now, they're in process of hiring a construction manager at risk, going on this

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month.

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I think they're starting to renews, and they expect to have that person on board by November.

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It's a tight schedule.

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The whole project has to be submitted to the MSBA December 18th, where they're February

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meeting. So the building committee is meeting twice a month. Expect new estimates in December.

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First and rate MSPA will be available in February after they're meeting. So there's a lot of

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things in play. The next big decision will be in early November. That's not what it didn't.

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And which is the high school committee has to decide how the project will be approved by the towns.

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They're the entity that will be doing the borrowing and each town's share of the debt service will be added to their high school assessment.

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There are two options.

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One, it goes to all six town meetings, and if the town is excluding in the depth, then

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it's also a valid question.

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This is the way the feasibility study was approved for the project to begin.

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If it doesn't pass in one town, either a town meeting or the ballot, then the project doesn't

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go forward.

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The other option is an election in all six teams on the same day.

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Anyone question whether to approve the high school project or not?

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I don't know exactly what the language is but and the majority of the votes cast that day will determine whether the project.

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It will appreciate

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the costs according to the food.

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Yes, go ahead.

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Is that a simple majority or a cheaper majority?

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I think it's simple.

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It is very, we would also need to exclude the debt in a valid vote.

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And I, you know, both of these methods have sort of timing issues.

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There are so many days from the time the school committee improves it.

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And it has to get approved at the time meetings.

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in the day of, if there is an island-wide vote, it would have to, we'd have to have that

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arranged so that there would be time for the towns to also do the debt exclusion at their

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annual elections.

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If, and I don't know if this would happen, but if the debt exclusion doesn't pass in Tisbury,

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Then the debt service would come up as a budget and it would push us over the two-and-a-half and without an override, it would require a cost to the budget.

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So, you know, it's what the things are displaying. Does that make sense? That's weird.

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It cuts the budget for a really brief argument.

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The budget would have to be decreased.

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Because we did not do the part.

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So we can't increase the budget.

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We can't increase the budget.

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This is neither which is.

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The initial thought that we would have to take as a town would be to

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absolute debt is that fail me. I believe we probably could come back and do a

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cloud two and a half overripe for the budget, but those boats are going to be very

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close to each other, and if either way they could fail us, we have to cut the

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by the state of the limits prior to that.

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Oh, actually, if you don't pay them, do 1.5 over one.

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Right. So if we don't to like to have override, concurrent with that exclusion, we have to come back to get it to them. I see you remember that if in the first scenario, if one or one of the towns just as a scenario, decide it's not to approve it, there's a way to go back. It does not automatically cancel the price. There's a way to go back.

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that's absolutely correct. So the school can make it simply reauthorized or we approve

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the debt and then that would go back to pounds. They would have 60 days to respond to

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that if any town puts a

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town where it failed. The first time 60 days to do it over again

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basically. So that's part of the timeline and it keeps depending on when it happens and when

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we have our financial agreement with the MSVA, there's 120 days that the MSVA gives you to do

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all of that. So we're talking, if we, if it's at the federal I've already marched with the, I'm

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not sure when that is with MSVA that puts us into like mid-May or something like that.

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So we would have to do all of that within that time.

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But you could absolutely redo it, so to speak.

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Yes.

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Yes.

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In that sense.

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Yes, sir.

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I'm a little confused, so bear with me.

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We go to town floor for town meeting and the town says the residents of the town say no, we don't want to do this.

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We have a chance to go back to another town meeting.

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to say reconsider.

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If this fool can be, in my understanding, has the authority to revoke or reauthorize the

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same amount of debt to all the towns on the, and it's, it's, it's, it's the, it's the

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robustness.

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Um, and so any town that takes no action, that, that automatically gets approved.

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Um, so once a variable, but, but no, but I'm what I'm saying is the, so say five towns are

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improvement, they would simply take no action, and it would be approved. The six-town bird

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failed, but have to then take within 60 days have another election, have another valid question.

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Okay. And so that's, as my understanding, that's, that's the mechanism that the school committee

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has, the part that they have. Okay. Using Section D of the Massachusetts general law, that's the

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traditional method. That's the way everyone is used to it being done. Okay. And that would have to

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keep within the 120-day window that MSVA has for approving or the debt, you know, the project,

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essentially, after the funding agreement. And we're not sure when the funding agreement meeting will

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take place. That's when we hear from MSVA what they're going to reimburse us. Yes. I heard recently

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you know, it might be beginning in March, they may, first of all, they're more meaning

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to the first week of March. Either way, it's fine. It's just, we'd like to know a little

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earlier that later, what we're being reimbursed for, obviously. So, we're right up against

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town meetings. It's just not optimal, but it is. It's just going to be tight. So, thank you.

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And people already have said their town meeting in town. So it's sort of figuring out the day

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that stuff. School committee would take the vote that starts on me. And the second process

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is a process that's coming in in a regional school district. So there's multiple towns.

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Great question.

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The committee did and he said it only heard it being used once and I think it was

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I think it was on the tape.

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And that was the only thing he used once.

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And that was only on two times.

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We have six.

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And I think when they redid the regional agreement,

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it was put in three years ago when we all approved the regional agreement

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because it's like a new aspect of the law of regional school districts.

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So and I'm not sure anybody was really conscious that that was something we were all approving because we just, you know, because it was so different.

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But here we are.

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So do you have any answers? Yes, actually, I have on some slides, which I think you all were given in your packet.

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Yes. And I think Ellie is.

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So I wanted to show you this information.

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This isn't a presentation for or against the high school project.

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My goal is to provide some data and information in the light on his very current financial situation in relation to the NSBA project.

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Scale of the MSCA project puts into sharp focus the differences between the Highland towns.

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in terms of tax rates to number of properties, medium income, and this demographic information

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can help inform the TIS very selection.

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We often compare ourselves to the other island towns, and the towns are not the same.

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We shared this presentation with the TIS Great Finance and Advisory Committee, the TIS Department

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Committee, a group from the High School Building Committee, including the Superintendent and

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the All-Island School Committee. It's timely just because of the decision that we're just all

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talking about, you know, where the High School School Committee will be deciding on the method

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I did before getting the projects approved. So, first slide please. Thanks. So, these numbers are

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only estimates. I don't want anyone to publish them as if they were real. I would say the best

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guess their educated guess on the total project cost could go up could go down the school building

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committee is working hard to a decreased square footage thus reducing construction costs and

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maximizing MSBA reimbursement reducing the island share of the cost. It won't be until December

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or later that we'll know more specifically more real numbers. In the meantime, all towns are doing

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budgeting, and with a potential $3 million increase to disperse budget, it isn't too early

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to start planning.

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I've put in

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-dollar projects. It's closer to a $300 million project. The

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modeling share will be $200 million. Again, just an educated guest, and I don't want anyone to

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public should publish these numbers because I know there are people from the press on

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here and that's not what these are for. This is sort of to get an idea of what we're

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going to. So I calculated the numbers. You know I did really simple math. The construction

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cost is $199,900 square feet times $1,300 per square foot. The soft costs are estimated

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at 20 percent. That's the 51 million. And the total project cost comes out as 311,844,000.

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I engage the MSBA share at 25 percent. I know it all I can think that's low. The effective

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reimbursement rate and the original estimates was 20 percent. So I added five and you know,

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he will be good figure. But that 25 percent would be reduced from the total project cost. And so

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the island share would be about 233 million. The annual debt service on $233 million is $13

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million, $625,938 a year. This is assuming a 30-year bond that 4% interest.

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Next, Bill.

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It's going to be the 13 million is split between the towns all the way.

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You'll see that next.

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All right. Thank you.

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So this is the formula for the different shares of the debt of the towns.

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Aquinas 2.4%.

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Tilmar 8.26.

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You can read down.

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This formula is based 30% on equalized value, so real estate values 70% coming in a moment.

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The down-highland towns with the highest enrollment are responsible for 75% of the cost.

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With these estimated numbers, it's very to be responsible for a debt of roughly $50 million.

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That's on top of the $80 million for the tith baseball.

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You can see that on the far right column, the tax rate impact on the tenants is not the

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same.

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Tisbury may be responsible for 22.9% of the total, but it increases our taxes 65 cents per

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thousand, which is two and a half times higher than Edgartown's 28 cents per thousand, even

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even though Hedger Town is responsible for 30% of the loss of the debt service,

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their

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responsible for Tisbury tax payers pay $0.65 per thousand, well, O-Bluffs pay an additional

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$0.51 per thousand. Later slides will point out some of the reasons for these discrepancies.

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Okay. Next slide.

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This slide to show an alternative funding formula. One that's used

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by regional entities like Duke's County and the Martha's Vineyard Commission. This

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is based completely on real estate values. We're not here to argue. I'm not here to argue

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about the MSBA funding formula, but if this formula based on property values across the island

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If it was used for the MSCA project, it would increase property taxes equally across all six towns.

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Two sprays, ours is a little bit higher at 39 cents, I guess, because of our residential exemption.

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So in this formula, all island residents can see their taxes can increase relative to the value of their property, not also because of the town that they.

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Okay,

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so then I want to just look at some of the island demographics, look at

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his brain comparison to our neighbors. We have the lowest per capita income

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on the island. I so am this slide. I so hate these numbers because my daughter

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Sophie works through the summer and it makes about $9,000 a year, right? And she

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He's part of that 30,000, who's not part of that 30,000, is all the people along West

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shop, all the people that own property in the town of Tisbury can live in native.

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These 30,000, the people that are in 30,000 are most likely not even property tax payers.

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They own property.

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They're not paying property taxes.

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I despise this slide and it should not even be part of your presence.

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of your presentation. I've said this. I'm still talking. I've said this like three or four times

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now. This should not be part because it's misleading. It's not factual information. It's not Nancy.

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You're a finance person. You know. So it comes from the Department of Revenue. But it's about who pays

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property, who pays income taxes, who files their income taxes and the people that have been

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The people that live in Connecticut wrote island and the other parts of Massachusetts that don't file in the town of Tisbury are not in this formula.

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I see what you're saying. So I'm looking at year-round residents.

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You're looking at year-round residents in most of them.

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Just

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in my neighborhood alone, I have five or six people that live in the Nadek or Garwell or Boston

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that are living there in the shoulder seasons only. Their home is of the Boston area,

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and they are probably there to W-2 around their boss.

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I think probably if we look at full-time residents, we'd probably come up with a different one.

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Okay, so I take that and I will try to figure out how to make sure I'm not sure how you're going to come up with those.

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So, so sort of shifting to the other three columns.

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We're the third largest town by population, but the smallest in terms of land area, making us the most densely populated town.

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with property taxes providing 85% of the revenue for the town.

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Tisbury doesn't have much area to increase properties in our inventory.

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We are close to Format Buildup, but now, thanks.

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So I don't know, people who go to the Vineyard Haven post office,

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you know, I have to put a picture of this map because it shows you in terms of land area,

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the relationship between our town and other towns.

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Obviously, Aquina is to mushed in with Chilmar,

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but we are quite small.

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Thanks, Elie.

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Well, his very has the lowest per capita income.

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It has the highest average property tax bill, $13,552. While the quinnit is right up there with

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12,000, the rest of the towns record average rates that are generally half as much. Here are some

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of the reasons for that. In the right column, you can see the residential levy or the amount

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that the town raises the property taxes. It's his very, very, very 33 million comparable to

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oak bluffs at 29 at your town at 36,

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but this variant has half the residential properties.

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2685 that raised this levied compared to oak bluffs

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at your town.

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As a result, the burden on this is very taxpayers' dislike.

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And what's out on this is that,

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now this is not an argument against you,

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so I'm behaving myself at the end probably.

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Thank you, appreciate it.

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of energy channels tax base is 12.3 billion roughly and O plus tax base is 5.6 I believe

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and Tisbury is 4.3 so I don't know if my points are real my point numbers are right but I know

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the 12 the 5 and the 4 are correct so that's why the energy channels tax rate is so low

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because their tax base is so out

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next slide.

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So this is, again, these numbers are not to be reproduced.

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They're not to be printed anywhere, but based on the assumptions,

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if you've had $3.1 million in debt service,

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it'll increase property taxes 8.6% across the board

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and push the residential tax rate from 7.5%.

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This very currently has a 22% residential exemption, median home value in disveration 1.17.

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So half the properties are value less, half the properties are value more.

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For a year round resident, taxes on a median valued home would raise by, increased by $528

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dollars for a seasonal resident with a tax system based by $760.

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Obviously, higher valued

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homes would see greater increase increases. Again, these numbers are not set. They are estimates.

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I'm doing my best because I know people are concerned that, you know, numbers are going to go out

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and people are going to be like, oh, it's going to be like this. These are full projections,

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and they, we put, I put them together, we put them together because it's an extra

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decided to translate percentages and totally progeny into the realm of the taxpayers.

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Municipal finance is on a fiscal year cycle and it involves projections, season projections.

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Next one, please.

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So now we're looking at long-term debt.

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This is very long-term debt relative to the other island towns.

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Doing large part to the school.

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Our long-term debt has skyrocketed to $85 million.

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and Tisbury, yes sir.

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75 includes what?

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It includes the school, the elementary school,

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but on that topic, what is the debt remaining on that school?

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Yeah, I was 78 millions, and about 28 years, yeah.

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Yeah, so the rest is library.

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Library.

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Okay.

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Yes, there's not much else.

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Roads.

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Yeah.

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Somebody in their group.

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All right.

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Thank you.

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So Tisper is now paying 14.2% of it.

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But it's budget to the service,

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which is really different than the ordinance.

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Thank you.

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So adding 3.1 million again, a projection from the high school project, our annual debt service would jump to 19.

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Efforts, Tisbury's physical policy state that our debt service should be below 10%.

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Edward Town's annual budget document notes, quote, credit agencies consider anything over 20% as a warning indicator.

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It is very currently cranks number two in the Commonwealth in terms of debt service as a percentage

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of budget after adding high school to spread a beat.

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Yeah, John.

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Do we know what we question, both you, how 1% per year will it still down?

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In other words, if we're at one of the numbers, five years from now, what will be our percentage

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debt?

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So it depends on how much the budget goes up, so it becomes a smaller part of the pie, so

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or as three years, the amount of the,

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it's gone down for like,

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I think it was 16 or 17 and now it's down to 14.

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So, it depends on, it does drop.

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It does drop, yeah.

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Yeah, and it hasn't been decided.

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I believe it's gonna be the high school school committee

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will decide if it's level debt service or level principal.

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What we have for the school is level debt service.

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Here's how about that, that's just me.

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Yeah, we can hear you now. I think you just muted the room by accident back three or four slides ago.

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Okay. Thank you guys. We'll look. I was muted three or four slides ago.

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Yeah, so any questions, comments? I mean, I again, this is done really to just to lay out where we are.

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I think it's a really important, I think it's a lot to absorb it, I think we have to look

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at the first success, as well as we have to look at how we're going to get ourselves

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to a better place, and I'm confident that we can, you know, working, especially your

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intelligence, denulation, but also selectively it's a board of planning groups in common,

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being able to say, okay, are we going to change this rock and arthlytes?

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So first, thank you. I don't have any questions right now. I think we'll let some of the public

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you can speak.

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First of all, I apologize when we are outbursts on that side. Every time I see it,

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I know. You know, I, my dad is doing something. I try to find an alternative, but I haven't been

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I mean, I think, you know, the one part that's not, and maybe it wasn't really, I think I saw something in there.

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But the thing is, is if we...

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We don't do anything now. If we lose MSBA funding, then where are we? You know, even if we have to delay it for five years, then where are we? You know what I mean? That's the, that's the elephant in the room. I mean, it's just, I think it's not now when, and not now, how.

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But the other one is this is going to be another significant impact on our community.

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tax pay. The finance committee, that's who we, you know, we, you know, fight it out with

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the departments to try to make sure we don't have, you know, overrides, you know, that

453
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we don't increase the tax rate. And so, in this case, I don't, you know, I don't think we

454
00:45:48,020 --> 00:45:54,620
have that on the table, but I think we have to, like, translate the project down to, you

455
00:45:54,620 --> 00:45:59,660
know, kind of this is, you know, these are the decisions that we're making. And to ask people

456
00:45:59,660 --> 00:46:04,400
to make that, you know, when you call it a separate vice or, you know, to understand what

457
00:46:04,400 --> 00:46:09,100
they're doing when they, you know, when we all decide to support the crisis.

458
00:46:10,380 --> 00:46:15,340
Does anyone in the room have, I just have one for pushing, but you've all got a couple

459
00:46:15,340 --> 00:46:16,280
of construction projects.

460
00:46:17,420 --> 00:46:18,840
You always hear about this.

461
00:46:18,960 --> 00:46:19,960
I am in public life.

462
00:46:21,280 --> 00:46:24,720
Do we have another as to what that I am in public life would be?

463
00:46:24,860 --> 00:46:26,380
Here's the school project.

464
00:46:26,380 --> 00:46:28,460
and it would be 10 to the speed eight.

465
00:46:28,960 --> 00:46:31,740
We'll get that as a year or a year or a year ahead.

466
00:46:31,780 --> 00:46:32,820
No, because you know my next question

467
00:46:32,820 --> 00:46:34,220
is would there be any loss after that?

468
00:46:34,440 --> 00:46:36,100
I don't want to talk about it because we do need this.

469
00:46:37,000 --> 00:46:40,600
I think what Sam had already said is they understand

470
00:46:41,480 --> 00:46:45,000
what our situation is and I think construction process

471
00:46:45,000 --> 00:46:46,900
will probably go on all over the country.

472
00:46:47,220 --> 00:46:48,100
This is the whole state.

473
00:46:49,100 --> 00:46:54,380
So I think they're sympathetic, but it's not a thing.

474
00:46:54,380 --> 00:47:01,660
They have very specific amounts. They mean it bursts. It's like a menu. If you do this,

475
00:47:01,960 --> 00:47:10,480
you get to be immersed for this. So if the square footage costs here are $1,300 a square

476
00:47:10,480 --> 00:47:15,720
foot, I think Sam just said they would be immersed up to $600,000.

477
00:47:15,720 --> 00:47:16,700
Yeah, $600 a bell.

478
00:47:17,080 --> 00:47:18,140
Yeah, so that's...

479
00:47:20,320 --> 00:47:26,960
So in our design system, in our community that criteria, you know, allows certain footage

480
00:47:26,960 --> 00:47:31,440
and certain read, burst rate rates, we've built into that, are we exceeding those?

481
00:47:32,040 --> 00:47:32,900
But I'm new.

482
00:47:35,240 --> 00:47:36,800
Some are, but we always improve.

483
00:47:37,180 --> 00:47:37,820
Yeah, okay.

484
00:47:37,840 --> 00:47:39,000
People are doing their best.

485
00:47:39,200 --> 00:47:42,080
I mean, architects have worked with MSGales for loss.

486
00:47:42,500 --> 00:47:46,820
You know, so they, you know, they know and they know the ways that you could get additional,

487
00:47:46,820 --> 00:47:55,220
you know, extra 5% for being, you know, energy efficient or something else. So, you know, they're mean to understand.

488
00:47:55,880 --> 00:47:55,980
Yeah.

489
00:47:57,520 --> 00:47:58,480
Thanks again.

490
00:48:00,320 --> 00:48:04,360
Anyone in the room have anything you want to say before we go to the Zoom stream?

491
00:48:06,760 --> 00:48:11,700
I mean, Ben Robinson may have been, was it either Ben or Rachel and I have your analyst?

492
00:48:12,640 --> 00:48:14,200
then we'll go to Rachel.

493
00:48:15,720 --> 00:48:16,460
Thanks, Roy.

494
00:48:16,980 --> 00:48:20,700
One way to think about that slide that you had issues with Roy

495
00:48:20,700 --> 00:48:23,280
is that you could really apply that logic to all the towns.

496
00:48:23,960 --> 00:48:26,340
But I would encourage you to think about it this way.

497
00:48:27,100 --> 00:48:30,440
Tisbury has the highest year-round population.

498
00:48:31,360 --> 00:48:34,860
So it's probably the most reflective of the taxpayers

499
00:48:34,860 --> 00:48:38,500
that own property in the town of all of the island towns on income.

500
00:48:38,500 --> 00:48:54,320
Just one thing to think about in that the other thing is is you know the school building committee did not pick the least expensive option that we could we could do on the school they in fact picked the most expensive option or the second most expensive option.

501
00:48:55,340 --> 00:49:06,320
And we gave up greater reimbursements for reutilizing more of the existing building MSBA reimburse is higher for a renovation project than new construction.

502
00:49:06,320 --> 00:49:10,120
So, that was a choice by the school building committee.

503
00:49:10,240 --> 00:49:12,440
That was about $100 million swing right there.

504
00:49:13,540 --> 00:49:19,860
The formula costs us $20 million more than an equalized formula across the island.

505
00:49:20,040 --> 00:49:21,780
That's our town hall right there.

506
00:49:23,300 --> 00:49:28,200
So, I have been encouraging the town and others to be looking at this very closely

507
00:49:28,200 --> 00:49:33,520
and pushing on how do we get the island to accept an equalized value formula for this project?

508
00:49:33,520 --> 00:49:38,040
because I don't see this passing with Tisbury voters,

509
00:49:38,780 --> 00:49:40,840
or plus voters or Aquina voters,

510
00:49:40,840 --> 00:49:41,860
when they look at it and say,

511
00:49:42,060 --> 00:49:44,920
why are we having to pay more per thousand

512
00:49:44,920 --> 00:49:47,820
than these other towns, for a regional project?

513
00:49:48,100 --> 00:49:51,720
So I think we have to get serious about negotiating

514
00:49:51,720 --> 00:49:55,700
that formula down, otherwise, you know,

515
00:49:55,760 --> 00:49:57,220
we're not gonna have any money for the town hall.

516
00:49:57,480 --> 00:49:59,780
And that's the $20 million swing right there.

517
00:50:00,320 --> 00:50:02,000
Those are my points, thanks.

518
00:50:08,580 --> 00:50:16,760
So one thing that I would just like to mention, one of the tools we have to assist our year-round

519
00:50:16,760 --> 00:50:19,080
property owners is the residential exemption.

520
00:50:19,780 --> 00:50:22,680
But we also have many, many year-round renters.

521
00:50:23,120 --> 00:50:30,000
It's statistically, Tisbury has a higher percentage of year-round occupancy with rentals in the

522
00:50:30,000 --> 00:50:37,360
other towns if you look at the housing data that the MVC is collected by town. Those properties

523
00:50:37,360 --> 00:50:42,760
right now do not qualify for a residential exemption, even if they are rented year-round. So,

524
00:50:43,620 --> 00:50:51,520
by inference, if taxes go up more for those properties, rents will go up for those properties.

525
00:50:52,900 --> 00:50:57,620
province town through a home rule petition was able to get residential

526
00:50:57,620 --> 00:51:03,080
exemption for properties that are rented year-round and I would really

527
00:51:03,080 --> 00:51:12,120
encourage our town to do what we can to also have the residential exemption

528
00:51:12,120 --> 00:51:16,840
applied year-round rentals especially if we're going to be using it as a major

529
00:51:16,840 --> 00:51:23,180
tool to make these kinds of expensive projects affordable for our year-round property owners.

530
00:51:24,320 --> 00:51:30,980
I think that's part of this basket of tools that we should be working really hard to try

531
00:51:30,980 --> 00:51:35,740
to put in place as we look at this kind of expenditure.

532
00:51:41,500 --> 00:51:50,420
is that it? Okay. I agree with what Rachel said and the Affordable Housing Committee is

533
00:51:50,420 --> 00:51:58,480
looking at something along those lines to try and bring in the property owners that rents

534
00:51:59,040 --> 00:52:06,000
year-round to give them a tax rate whether it would be the residential exemption or something else.

535
00:52:06,000 --> 00:52:10,540
I don't think that's been important on this yet, but that is something I'm working on.

536
00:52:10,700 --> 00:52:11,460
Is that correct?

537
00:52:11,720 --> 00:52:11,780
Yeah.

538
00:52:12,100 --> 00:52:12,620
Or close.

539
00:52:14,040 --> 00:52:15,360
Close to having something to say.

540
00:52:16,000 --> 00:52:16,080
Yes.

541
00:52:18,160 --> 00:52:22,640
Mr. Crystal, in the back, thank you for working on this lot of information.

542
00:52:23,200 --> 00:52:27,120
I didn't take pictures on it, so my number is going to be a little off because I've sold

543
00:52:27,120 --> 00:52:27,680
three times.

544
00:52:27,880 --> 00:52:28,400
I couldn't take it.

545
00:52:28,420 --> 00:52:29,580
No, no, no, no, no.

546
00:52:29,820 --> 00:52:31,140
It's all the way to the real estate picture.

547
00:52:31,240 --> 00:52:32,620
I think I'm going to take it.

548
00:52:32,640 --> 00:52:32,780
Huh?

549
00:52:32,780 --> 00:52:41,100
Welcome to Tisbury Job. This is basically a Israeli convenience for certain people when they speak after,

550
00:52:41,360 --> 00:52:49,580
but when they speak, it's easy to look forward, they forget about the rear view of the side mirrored,

551
00:52:49,680 --> 00:52:50,280
so look in the back.

552
00:52:51,280 --> 00:52:56,860
Reason we are in the situation, we are in, is, there's a side there, what we do.

553
00:52:56,860 --> 00:52:59,040
the answer that said, what do we do if we don't do it?

554
00:52:59,280 --> 00:53:00,800
It's a nice group.

555
00:53:02,240 --> 00:53:06,380
Well, that was Tisbury's slide five years ago, six years ago, both ready for school.

556
00:53:07,120 --> 00:53:07,880
This is not new.

557
00:53:08,540 --> 00:53:14,840
Everybody knew this was come, $300 million a pair of down from a Tristan, was

558
00:53:16,890 --> 00:53:17,390
a Tristan

559
00:53:17,390 --> 00:53:22,330
Jimmy myself, said years ago, we were talking $400, what did it be, who were thinking that

560
00:53:22,330 --> 00:53:23,090
I still would be that.

561
00:53:23,490 --> 00:53:25,890
This expenditure is not new.

562
00:53:26,910 --> 00:53:33,690
We knew it was coming up, we opted to delay the elementary school, not go with MSDA funding.

563
00:53:33,850 --> 00:53:39,990
Your MSDA funding probably passed you to build maybe $16 million on maybe nursing homes

564
00:53:40,530 --> 00:53:43,830
if you were to do for the elementary school.

565
00:53:44,910 --> 00:53:48,830
That's your notice when you start looking at the debt, you talk about the percentage of debt

566
00:53:48,830 --> 00:53:50,870
when the debt comes down to the debt's now coming down.

567
00:53:50,870 --> 00:53:55,110
In a Nancy mentioned, no damage, that's your town hall there.

568
00:53:55,370 --> 00:53:58,450
You have to suggest the town hall with my, if you're in real fun, I hope the tax pay

569
00:53:58,450 --> 00:53:59,190
are right now.

570
00:53:59,630 --> 00:54:04,870
You take everything else off the board and you start working on how we fund this, specifically

571
00:54:04,870 --> 00:54:11,490
the debt, which brings me into job design, like our reserve funds, a reserve, if we're paying

572
00:54:11,490 --> 00:54:15,430
4% debt, which is what the numbers I can help you down low by.

573
00:54:16,610 --> 00:54:18,930
What are in some rhetorical questions?

574
00:54:18,930 --> 00:54:24,730
The amount of money that we have in reserve, all reserve funds, what's it invested in?

575
00:54:24,890 --> 00:54:27,330
The 10 years getting 4.17 roughly.

576
00:54:30,150 --> 00:54:31,450
It's paying for the debt.

577
00:54:35,500 --> 00:54:37,160
This is what it's going to cost us.

578
00:54:37,320 --> 00:54:41,200
You have to look at where we're taking the money and receipts and how we're investing in the stock.

579
00:54:41,780 --> 00:54:47,240
Kiss the time log in by, kiss the anything to do with the expansion of the sewer,

580
00:54:47,560 --> 00:54:49,040
unless you get a grant to everything else.

581
00:54:49,860 --> 00:55:00,140
But we're in a tough situation to renegotiate a school formula that a very reason why we got into the MSDA program is because we negotiated this formula.

582
00:55:00,760 --> 00:55:02,740
And the MSDA said, thank you.

583
00:55:03,180 --> 00:55:06,860
Because they were telling us you're not getting into the program unless you guys get your act together.

584
00:55:07,360 --> 00:55:12,040
And all six times we met at the school volume where they are in lovely meetings along with myself.

585
00:55:12,040 --> 00:55:19,780
So, we decided it's not perfect, nothing on the scientific basis of funding, okay?

586
00:55:21,000 --> 00:55:26,720
By the way, Sam, I'm supportive, well I'm voting yes, I don't care if it's an online vote

587
00:55:26,720 --> 00:55:32,800
or not, because I've been to this movie before and it's a horror flick and I don't want

588
00:55:32,800 --> 00:55:37,280
to see another horror flick for the Tisbury tax favor because I'm telling you right now,

589
00:55:37,280 --> 00:55:43,240
If we try to load it down and try to kill it, we try to do the MSP, try to redo the stool

590
00:55:43,240 --> 00:55:45,700
Finally, at this point in time, we're done.

591
00:55:46,520 --> 00:55:47,040
We're done.

592
00:55:47,340 --> 00:55:48,200
You want to say goodbye.

593
00:55:48,680 --> 00:55:49,740
And we're not going to build on it.

594
00:55:49,800 --> 00:55:50,700
I'll take the exception to that.

595
00:55:50,880 --> 00:55:51,720
We're not going to build on it.

596
00:55:51,740 --> 00:55:52,580
We're not going to build on it.

597
00:55:52,620 --> 00:55:54,940
We have the ADU that just got passed.

598
00:55:55,580 --> 00:55:59,560
The accessory dwelling unit is a godsend for this town for one of us.

599
00:56:00,280 --> 00:56:02,200
But we're not going to utilize it the way we should.

600
00:56:02,520 --> 00:56:05,960
One of the papers wrote a piece of all three families that are doing ADUs.

601
00:56:05,960 --> 00:56:09,580
You know what, it's not that easy to try to do an ADU with a ton of Tisbury.

602
00:56:09,860 --> 00:56:13,840
You should figure out the hoops and hurdles you have to jump through to get an ADU.

603
00:56:14,100 --> 00:56:16,860
That's a savior of this town to help tax base.

604
00:56:17,360 --> 00:56:22,780
That's a savior of this town to help keep the young, not only in Tisbury, but on the island,

605
00:56:23,360 --> 00:56:25,720
it's really a benefit and we're not utilizing.

606
00:56:26,660 --> 00:56:31,740
We have such an opportunity to hit this head on and said, we keep looking at it going,

607
00:56:31,740 --> 00:56:35,680
Well, you know, this is a new town hall.

608
00:56:36,000 --> 00:56:39,740
This is what just sit down, get your housing committee together,

609
00:56:39,860 --> 00:56:42,520
look at certain things, get your finance committee to get together,

610
00:56:42,560 --> 00:56:44,720
look at the work, this is going to happen.

611
00:56:44,820 --> 00:56:47,060
If they don't happen this year, it's happening in three years.

612
00:56:47,220 --> 00:56:48,960
And you all know what that will be ended up with.

613
00:56:49,620 --> 00:56:50,560
It's going to cost you double.

614
00:56:51,820 --> 00:56:58,840
So on the special time meeting, sweet weeks ago,

615
00:56:58,840 --> 00:57:06,320
There's a warrant article for a financial analysis, so in terms of sort of plotting out where

616
00:57:06,320 --> 00:57:12,380
we are and where we're going, we will be getting some additional help from the Collins

617
00:57:12,380 --> 00:57:18,080
Center, which I think will be helpful in terms of being able to set priorities and figure

618
00:57:18,080 --> 00:57:19,000
out how to manage.

619
00:57:19,300 --> 00:57:24,100
Because, you know, these other things, I mean, the town hall, the need for the town hall

620
00:57:24,100 --> 00:57:25,100
is not going away.

621
00:57:25,100 --> 00:57:33,380
It's frankly, I don't want to put doing bad buildings up, but I would put the,

622
00:57:38,380 --> 00:57:45,900
give us some ideas, some other ways of looking at this.

623
00:57:47,880 --> 00:57:50,420
Do you want them to have anything else that I can?

624
00:57:51,320 --> 00:57:51,760
Good.

625
00:57:52,000 --> 00:57:52,580
Final word.

626
00:57:52,880 --> 00:57:54,000
I don't know about that.

627
00:57:54,120 --> 00:57:55,720
Any of the more words after this.

628
00:57:56,580 --> 00:58:01,180
I think Jeff, good points, all good points.

629
00:58:01,480 --> 00:58:02,460
And I support what you're saying.

630
00:58:02,940 --> 00:58:07,080
And I think what we just want to try to do in front of this,

631
00:58:07,100 --> 00:58:09,060
as opposed to being surprised, you know,

632
00:58:09,200 --> 00:58:10,480
come January, February, March.

633
00:58:11,080 --> 00:58:13,600
I like the idea of knocking heads with Ben Tom,

634
00:58:13,600 --> 00:58:19,120
with planning, zoning, get these A to use going, understand C's, look at these, these

635
00:58:19,120 --> 00:58:25,220
are all tools that are going to be in our labs. But I also want to point out, I remember

636
00:58:25,220 --> 00:58:31,300
in a meeting, probably my first year as a flood court member, you and I were looking at

637
00:58:31,300 --> 00:58:38,740
not raising the residential tax three years ago, residential education. I think one of the

638
00:58:38,740 --> 00:58:43,760
support members wanted to. We said, no, let's save it for us. So what I'd like to see

639
00:58:43,760 --> 00:58:49,560
in the next meeting is, what would that world look like in different scenarios by raising

640
00:58:49,560 --> 00:58:54,940
the residential exemption? So right now, what was the number of six other dollar increase

641
00:58:55,500 --> 00:59:02,240
on events? Yeah. So, no, maybe 22, but the not that we have to pay, there's an ax pair

642
00:59:02,240 --> 00:59:04,280
It's about $600 increase.

643
00:59:06,480 --> 00:59:07,040
Yeah.

644
00:59:08,980 --> 00:59:13,660
Play with those numbers to come back and say, OK, we raised 1%, 5%.

645
00:59:14,240 --> 00:59:16,880
Somewhere between, what would that role look like?

646
00:59:19,410 --> 00:59:21,310
The only thing I have a question was the,

647
00:59:22,250 --> 00:59:27,750
it seems like we're going to get the MSDA percentage

648
00:59:27,750 --> 00:59:29,190
until November, December.

649
00:59:29,950 --> 00:59:30,290
That's true.

650
00:59:32,830 --> 00:59:39,010
So, yeah, we'll know in February, and in February, what the reimbursement rate will be.

651
00:59:39,250 --> 00:59:47,270
And I just wanted to make the point that's okay that we don't know if the school building committee shows the most expensive option.

652
00:59:47,510 --> 00:59:57,170
We don't know if the way in which the funding agreement works as I understand is far more nuanced than what was just said.

653
00:59:57,170 --> 00:59:59,850
And I hope there's not a narrative about there that they picked.

654
01:00:00,000 --> 01:00:29,600
The most expensive project. That's not the case. We don't know if that's the case. I mean, one of them started February. And they're making decisions based on the best possible information that they've been given. So, and this is an addition renovation. So, we will see some percentage back for renovating the building as well. So, we'll get some bonus points on that because there's an ad rent out. So, that's what we're expecting. So, I just wanted to say we don't know until February.

655
01:00:29,600 --> 01:00:36,560
right. And I just hope we can we can be patient and have the comments.

656
01:00:40,910 --> 01:00:42,570
The add is that

657
01:00:42,570 --> 01:00:49,590
yeah. So our tax classification hearing is scheduled for October 20, which is when you set

658
01:00:49,590 --> 01:00:55,770
the residential exemption. So for the following year, fiscal year 26.

659
01:00:57,830 --> 01:01:00,250
So you should be thinking

660
01:01:00,250 --> 01:01:10,130
about it. Okay. Yeah. When we raise the residential

661
01:01:10,130 --> 01:01:17,230
exemptions from 18, 22, that was to soften the blow of the

662
01:01:17,230 --> 01:01:24,470
Tisbury school. So, just want to go down to chair. I think

663
01:01:24,470 --> 01:01:29,290
our original can still up or should that's not a question. Rachel, is your hand

664
01:01:29,290 --> 01:01:36,030
is still up? Do you have another question? I have another comment. I just would ask you to keep in

665
01:01:36,030 --> 01:01:40,870
mind that every time you raise a residential exemption, the effect is to raise the tax rate.

666
01:01:41,270 --> 01:01:45,070
That's how it overall. That's how it works.

667
01:01:47,210 --> 01:01:51,670
And I would say that's a strictly strong comment.

668
01:01:58,750 --> 01:01:59,270
I'd

669
01:01:59,270 --> 01:02:05,610
And total tax levy on residential properties stays the same whenever the residential

670
01:02:05,610 --> 01:02:06,330
extension it.

671
01:02:07,190 --> 01:02:15,350
If we raise the residential extension, we lower the tax burden on year-round residents

672
01:02:15,890 --> 01:02:18,610
and increase the burden on non-residents.

673
01:02:19,970 --> 01:02:28,490
So yes, it does increase the tax rate, by some degree, but the total tax levy of names

674
01:02:34,090 --> 01:02:44,490
Yes, the other thing with the ADUs, one of the limitations of having ADUs all over

675
01:02:44,490 --> 01:02:47,270
town is our wastewater capacity.

676
01:02:48,370 --> 01:02:55,370
So to make significant changes to that would involve significantly more sewering, which

677
01:02:55,370 --> 01:02:56,410
has a cost involved.

678
01:02:56,410 --> 01:03:04,250
I guess the point is just all this is complicated, and I would mention that our wonderful professional

679
01:03:04,250 --> 01:03:11,110
team at the high school, CHA, and the architects have been providing cost estimates for every

680
01:03:11,110 --> 01:03:16,930
option along the way and revising them as plans have changed, so each step of the way there

681
01:03:16,930 --> 01:03:25,850
has been some financial information provided along with Mike Owen doing really good work,

682
01:03:25,850 --> 01:03:32,710
looking at reimbursements and I'm sure that tool has been helpful as the project is being fine-tuned now.

683
01:03:34,330 --> 01:03:41,770
So, you know, the money has been part of this conversation all along and I'm sure it will continue to be so

684
01:03:41,770 --> 01:03:45,330
and I appreciate that work that has been done all along.

685
01:03:46,550 --> 01:03:52,110
And we're just, you know, we're going to need to all get together and really talk about a broad range of things

686
01:03:52,110 --> 01:03:56,250
as we figure out our tools, because one thing affects another thing. It's not simple.

687
01:03:57,150 --> 01:03:58,190
And that's it. Thank you.

688
01:03:58,390 --> 01:03:58,530
All right.

689
01:03:58,710 --> 01:04:03,070
Thank you, Rachel. And with your permission, John, we'll make that the final order.

690
01:04:03,410 --> 01:04:04,250
That works for me.

691
01:04:04,450 --> 01:04:04,670
Okay.

692
01:04:05,390 --> 01:04:06,890
Nancy, thank you very much.

693
01:04:07,210 --> 01:04:08,150
Thank you very much.

694
01:04:08,290 --> 01:04:08,870
I accept it.

695
01:04:08,870 --> 01:04:09,830
And, uh, okay.

696
01:04:09,930 --> 01:04:10,710
I thank you for coming.

697
01:04:10,930 --> 01:04:12,270
I'm pretty sure you've heard me from this.

698
01:04:12,470 --> 01:04:13,370
I sent you the product.

699
01:04:13,590 --> 01:04:13,850
Thank you.

700
01:04:14,070 --> 01:04:14,570
This is Chair.

701
01:04:15,030 --> 01:04:17,230
Yeah. Um, we're going to lose David to NISC.

702
01:04:17,610 --> 01:04:20,450
And you see here, we're not getting any questions from the county.

703
01:04:20,450 --> 01:04:21,770
before being needed for concrete.

704
01:04:22,190 --> 01:04:23,550
Can you jump to that one?

705
01:04:23,990 --> 01:04:25,350
I think I'm here to leave at six.

706
01:04:26,130 --> 01:04:26,310
Okay.

707
01:04:26,670 --> 01:04:27,130
That's one.

708
01:04:27,550 --> 01:04:27,930
Absolutely.

709
01:04:30,130 --> 01:04:32,070
Do I need to...

710
01:04:32,070 --> 01:04:33,490
No, I'd like to...

711
01:04:34,150 --> 01:04:36,130
I'd like to begin your introduction to it.

712
01:04:36,250 --> 01:04:36,510
Okay.

713
01:04:36,690 --> 01:04:39,690
Tell a little bit of summary as it's flyings on the agenda.

714
01:04:40,990 --> 01:04:43,910
And then circle back as to what needs to be done.

715
01:04:44,190 --> 01:04:44,390
Okay.

716
01:04:45,830 --> 01:04:49,870
So we're gonna jump to the discussion and potential vote.

717
01:04:49,870 --> 01:04:57,370
So on an open meetings law complaint received, this agenda item concerns an open meeting

718
01:04:57,370 --> 01:05:03,370
law complaint against the select board and kind of an email that was sent by a select

719
01:05:03,370 --> 01:05:12,310
member on September 19, 2025 regarding the meeting of a planning board on September 17,

720
01:05:12,630 --> 01:05:13,630
2025.

721
01:05:14,790 --> 01:05:18,070
The complaint was made by a member of the Supreme Court,

722
01:05:18,830 --> 01:05:20,150
now it's in his case, the hate law.

723
01:05:20,890 --> 01:05:24,550
The complaint claims a violation of the law because in addition to the

724
01:05:24,550 --> 01:05:30,650
town administrator, human resource director and other town officials, the

725
01:05:30,650 --> 01:05:34,530
email was sent to all the members of the select bearer pool and all the members

726
01:05:34,530 --> 01:05:39,210
of the plane board, meaning you were sent out to a quorum of each of those

727
01:05:39,210 --> 01:05:45,810
boards to make the email age a little to make the possibility of the liberation outside

728
01:05:45,810 --> 01:05:47,130
and public hosted meeting.

729
01:05:48,540 --> 01:05:54,510
The complaint was dated September 19th of 2025 and where you're saved by an email on

730
01:05:54,510 --> 01:05:55,050
that day.

731
01:05:55,730 --> 01:05:59,290
The select board members have a copy of that complaint in your packet about tonight.

732
01:06:00,450 --> 01:06:06,150
I'm going to give you an outline of the process based on open meetings law for the complaint

733
01:06:06,150 --> 01:06:08,170
and the board will need to review the complaint

734
01:06:08,170 --> 01:06:09,550
and decide what action to take.

735
01:06:10,250 --> 01:06:13,090
These are the rules set forward by the attorney general.

736
01:06:14,550 --> 01:06:18,850
When a complaint is received, the public file in question

737
01:06:18,850 --> 01:06:20,910
has 14 days to review the complaint

738
01:06:21,680 --> 01:06:24,750
and to take what regulations call remedial action.

739
01:06:25,390 --> 01:06:28,270
If the body finds such action to be appropriate,

740
01:06:28,930 --> 01:06:30,990
it just ends a response to the person

741
01:06:31,780 --> 01:06:33,230
who submitted the complaint.

742
01:06:34,010 --> 01:06:44,930
With the description of the remedial action as well, the copy of the complaint complaint must be sent to the attorney general office along with the description of the remedial action taken.

743
01:06:45,770 --> 01:06:50,830
And that's based on second 940 C and mark 29-05 section 5.

744
01:06:52,270 --> 01:06:59,330
Today's meeting is within the 14 days of receipt of the complaint, so the board is in review within the time period.

745
01:07:00,410 --> 01:07:04,930
I have consulted with town council on the allegations of a complaint and would like to

746
01:07:04,930 --> 01:07:09,990
amend the board to determine that there was a technical violation regarding the email

747
01:07:09,990 --> 01:07:15,670
in that no remedial action is required and these are the reasons for my determination.

748
01:07:17,270 --> 01:07:23,050
When you're open meeting law, a meeting of the public body is defined as a deliberation by a

749
01:07:23,050 --> 01:07:29,670
the body with respect to any matter within the body's jurisdiction, the liberation defined

750
01:07:29,670 --> 01:07:35,970
as a moral or written communication through immediate, including electronic mail between

751
01:07:36,250 --> 01:07:42,710
or among a corner of a public body, or any public business within insurances of jurisdiction.

752
01:07:43,770 --> 01:07:49,090
The attorney general's office meeting brought guide, he flew to statement on the liberation

753
01:07:50,030 --> 01:07:55,730
in emails by members of which the public body and that sets specifically.

754
01:07:56,790 --> 01:08:02,050
Note that the expression of an opinion on matters within the body's jurisdiction

755
01:08:02,050 --> 01:08:05,910
to a forum of a public body is a deliberation.

756
01:08:06,350 --> 01:08:09,710
Even if no other public body members respond.

757
01:08:10,610 --> 01:08:16,250
For example, if a member of a public body sends an email to a forum of public body

758
01:08:16,250 --> 01:08:22,530
expressing his or her opinion on a matter that could come before that by this

759
01:08:22,530 --> 01:08:28,750
communication by lace the law even if none of the respondents respond or the

760
01:08:28,750 --> 01:08:35,070
recipients respond. And that's from page 8 of the June 2025 edition of that

761
01:08:35,070 --> 01:08:41,490
guide. Mr. Katero's email questions behavior and conduct of Miss Haver on

762
01:08:41,490 --> 01:08:44,970
on September 17th, that was displayed at a planning board meeting.

763
01:08:46,190 --> 01:08:50,770
No subject matter policy to decision to be made by the suspect board for planning.

764
01:08:52,190 --> 01:08:58,350
The formal action of the body today is to review the complaint and make the determination as people.

765
01:08:59,270 --> 01:09:04,170
On whether there is a violation that would require any remedial action viable.

766
01:09:05,190 --> 01:09:06,750
For where there is no violation.

767
01:09:06,750 --> 01:09:13,130
If the board determines that a remedial action is required, it needs to specify the particular

768
01:09:13,130 --> 01:09:13,610
action.

769
01:09:14,390 --> 01:09:18,830
I will prepare a letter to the complaint based on the board's determination.

770
01:09:19,870 --> 01:09:25,950
In the complaint, the action requested is that the board and Mr. Carrier receive, to try

771
01:09:25,950 --> 01:09:31,810
and receive formal warning, not to fall, not to fall, that not following procedure in protocol

772
01:09:31,810 --> 01:09:35,330
is against the law and disruptive to productive capricades.

773
01:09:36,330 --> 01:09:37,710
In that, the board may require

774
01:09:37,710 --> 01:09:39,810
to undergo open meeting law trade.

775
01:09:41,170 --> 01:09:42,210
For these reasons,

776
01:09:43,150 --> 01:09:44,990
I would recommend a determination

777
01:09:44,990 --> 01:09:46,790
that remedial passion is required.

778
01:09:48,770 --> 01:09:51,770
Mr. Dinesque, do you have any questions or comments before?

779
01:09:55,340 --> 01:09:57,100
Just as a clarification,

780
01:09:57,580 --> 01:10:00,600
I believe with the introduction that you gave

781
01:10:01,000 --> 01:10:03,540
your last statement was you were recommending

782
01:10:03,540 --> 01:10:07,280
that there is not remedial action required, did I? Is that correct?

783
01:10:07,660 --> 01:10:13,020
That is correct, yes. I would recommend I would not recommend any termination that would require remedial action.

784
01:10:16,250 --> 01:10:21,930
And so then it's now for the board to consider the matter and make its determination

785
01:10:21,930 --> 01:10:25,730
and that it would need to take a vote on what to do.

786
01:10:25,870 --> 01:10:32,950
And I believe that at that point, the town administrator may have some further information for you.

787
01:10:32,950 --> 01:10:33,810
Yes.

788
01:10:38,290 --> 01:10:47,990
Did you find that to claim it more, was one of the cases not deliberation that one I heard?

789
01:10:49,730 --> 01:10:50,410
There you go.

790
01:10:50,670 --> 01:10:51,210
I don't know.

791
01:10:51,370 --> 01:10:51,630
I don't know.

792
01:10:51,890 --> 01:10:55,490
In other words, there was not deliberation.

793
01:10:56,330 --> 01:10:57,610
It was not deliberation.

794
01:10:57,810 --> 01:10:58,170
It was not deliberation.

795
01:10:58,170 --> 01:10:58,810
That's a good question.

796
01:11:00,950 --> 01:11:07,410
The answer to the question is that the sending of the email itself by virtue of the

797
01:11:07,410 --> 01:11:12,810
of the statement in the Attorney General's open meeting

798
01:11:12,810 --> 01:11:16,830
law guide to all members of the public body.

799
01:11:16,830 --> 01:11:19,730
And in this instance, it was two public bodies.

800
01:11:20,330 --> 01:11:23,950
That does amount to a deliberation.

801
01:11:24,290 --> 01:11:28,390
I think that the point that the town administrator was making

802
01:11:28,390 --> 01:11:34,590
was that the content of the email concerned the manner in which

803
01:11:34,590 --> 01:11:41,450
a member of the planning board conducted herself during the meeting, it was not regarding

804
01:11:41,450 --> 01:11:48,150
a particular subject or some policy decision that either the planning board or the select

805
01:11:48,150 --> 01:11:51,590
board would be making.

806
01:11:52,270 --> 01:11:59,050
So I think that would be the reason that in the initial statement to you, the town administrator

807
01:11:59,050 --> 01:12:01,890
greater may reference to a technical violation.

808
01:12:07,590 --> 01:12:08,810
Yeah, that was right.

809
01:12:11,900 --> 01:12:15,660
You're looking for a partnership boat tonight on what action.

810
01:12:16,140 --> 01:12:16,800
Yes, action.

811
01:12:16,940 --> 01:12:19,800
So based on our findings and what we just read into the record.

812
01:12:19,800 --> 01:12:22,720
And again, I guess I'll read this one more time so we're clear

813
01:12:23,440 --> 01:12:25,460
for the reasons I described.

814
01:12:26,060 --> 01:12:27,840
I would not recommend a determination

815
01:12:27,840 --> 01:12:29,780
that the remedial action is required.

816
01:12:31,560 --> 01:12:33,940
The motion that we've prepared for tonight

817
01:12:33,940 --> 01:12:40,940
for the board to consider and take action on is I move that the board vote to find that

818
01:12:40,940 --> 01:12:46,840
after review of the Open Meeting Law complaint of Casey Hayden. There was a technical

819
01:12:46,840 --> 01:12:54,600
violation of Open Meeting Law. Respect to the September 19 e-mail of the board member,

820
01:12:54,800 --> 01:13:02,580
or by the board member, Mr. Petra, that only remedial measures needed is that the select board

821
01:13:02,580 --> 01:13:09,000
be reminded that a member of the public body should not send an e-mail to a

822
01:13:09,000 --> 01:13:15,820
form of that body. And seeing an opinion on matters whether the body within the

823
01:13:15,820 --> 01:13:21,740
body's jurisdiction in that the town administrator report this low to

824
01:13:21,740 --> 01:13:25,080
missing. And I could read again at recent news.

825
01:13:28,010 --> 01:13:32,190
So just so a point of order, we have

826
01:13:32,190 --> 01:13:39,310
14 days to resolve this 14 business days, just for that.

827
01:13:39,430 --> 01:13:45,110
Okay, so respond, if we don't respond within those 14 business days, then what?

828
01:13:47,800 --> 01:13:54,980
A complainant may bring a complaint separately to the Office of the Attorney General.

829
01:13:54,980 --> 01:13:55,860
In

830
01:13:58,380 --> 01:14:10,180
this situation that we're in right now, the member that we're on is only two of us.

831
01:14:11,080 --> 01:14:17,600
So the should the member that the plane is against would use himself?

832
01:14:20,350 --> 01:14:28,590
In my view, you do not have to refuse yourself because the regulations require that the

833
01:14:28,590 --> 01:14:36,050
board, the public body against whom a complaint is made actually take up the complaint and decide

834
01:14:36,050 --> 01:14:43,990
again whether there was a violation and if so whether any remedial action is required. And in

835
01:14:43,990 --> 01:14:50,470
this instance, the form of complaint which is prescribed by the Attorney General's Office

836
01:14:51,150 --> 01:14:57,210
includes a line for what is the public body and this complaint specifies that it was the select

837
01:14:57,210 --> 01:14:59,890
board that is public body. It also

838
01:15:00,000 --> 01:15:07,580
It includes a line for which individual or individuals, and that's the line that states one member

839
01:15:07,580 --> 01:15:14,640
of the board, that being you, Mr. Catrier. So in my view, you do not have to abstain from

840
01:15:14,640 --> 01:15:21,460
this, but if there is a concern regarding a difference of opinion, and this may be a

841
01:15:21,460 --> 01:15:26,740
reason for the board to continue a discussion, because if a motion is made, and there's a tie,

842
01:15:26,740 --> 01:15:45,480
That motion will not pass, but for other than a reason of not being able to come to a vote based on a substantive disagreement, I would not recommend that you refrain from acting now.

843
01:15:45,480 --> 01:15:50,940
If there's further information you think you need you could ask about that although in my view

844
01:15:50,940 --> 01:15:57,740
this is a fairly narrow question that's before you and that's whether the email and question

845
01:15:58,640 --> 01:16:01,900
amounted to a violation.

846
01:16:04,000 --> 01:16:09,280
Thank you David. Explain to me the technical violation.

847
01:16:09,280 --> 01:16:13,200
What did you suggest in your moment

848
01:16:13,200 --> 01:16:15,620
that there was a technical violation?

849
01:16:16,880 --> 01:16:18,320
David, want me to speak to that?

850
01:16:19,920 --> 01:16:23,580
Yes, you certainly can, or I, or both, or you wish.

851
01:16:24,200 --> 01:16:25,340
So, I'm speaking to our guests.

852
01:16:25,780 --> 01:16:28,800
Sure, and the reason, again, of a violation

853
01:16:28,800 --> 01:16:31,400
is that an email by one member of a body

854
01:16:31,400 --> 01:16:34,280
to all other members of that body

855
01:16:34,280 --> 01:16:38,560
is by the advice and guidance of the attorney general's office.

856
01:16:38,560 --> 01:16:46,700
a quote-unquote deliberation, and a deliberation is only supposed to take place at a posted meeting.

857
01:16:47,480 --> 01:16:52,940
I think it is a very close call here, and that's why I think it's accurate for the town

858
01:16:52,940 --> 01:16:59,360
administrator to describe this as technical, because the email in question, again,

859
01:16:59,680 --> 01:17:06,360
did not relate to a policy position to be taken or a vote on a particular subject matter.

860
01:17:06,360 --> 01:17:13,340
rather it related to the manner of conduct of a particular individual

861
01:17:13,340 --> 01:17:23,540
at a meeting that was the scope of the email. So in a very strict reading and by

862
01:17:23,540 --> 01:17:27,640
the advice and guidance of the Attorney General's Office when an email

863
01:17:27,640 --> 01:17:37,220
was sent to a quorum, that would constitute deliberation. And with language that was

864
01:17:37,220 --> 01:17:42,480
read to you from that guide, that would be the reason that technically, yes, there was

865
01:17:42,480 --> 01:17:48,380
a violation, but the recommendation that you have is that there's not remedial action

866
01:17:48,380 --> 01:17:56,220
required. And I think the basis for that would be that there was not a communication that

867
01:17:56,220 --> 01:18:00,760
that related to action that either the select board

868
01:18:00,760 --> 01:18:03,260
or the planning board should take rather,

869
01:18:03,500 --> 01:18:09,980
it was a response to conduct that happened at a meeting.

870
01:18:13,150 --> 01:18:14,250
Yes, thank you.

871
01:18:14,430 --> 01:18:14,910
Thank you, David.

872
01:18:15,090 --> 01:18:15,490
Thank you, Joe.

873
01:18:15,810 --> 01:18:17,670
Are you prepared to vote?

874
01:18:17,990 --> 01:18:18,590
Yes, I am.

875
01:18:19,890 --> 01:18:21,510
I'm excited to read the vote.

876
01:18:21,730 --> 01:18:22,350
Oh, it's absolutely.

877
01:18:26,140 --> 01:18:28,000
So the motion that will be before you this evening

878
01:18:28,000 --> 01:18:35,580
is I move that the board for fine, that view of the open meeting law complaint of Ms. Casey

879
01:18:35,580 --> 01:18:41,500
Hayler. There was a technical violation of the open meeting law with respect to the

880
01:18:41,500 --> 01:18:49,760
September 19th keynet by board member of the chair. That is only for a media measure needed.

881
01:18:50,420 --> 01:18:57,500
Is that the select board be reminded that a member of a public body should not send keymits

882
01:18:57,500 --> 01:19:05,300
reform of that body, stating an opinion of matters in the body's jurisdiction and that

883
01:19:05,300 --> 01:19:08,900
the town administrator disloathe to the state.

884
01:19:11,660 --> 01:19:12,780
Would you like to make a motion?

885
01:19:13,800 --> 01:19:14,880
So, I'll look with the study.

886
01:19:16,000 --> 01:19:17,840
Would you try our second discussion?

887
01:19:19,240 --> 01:19:24,820
Um, the test, do you think that actually reflects that they do or what?

888
01:19:30,520 --> 01:19:34,260
I think that accurately reflects the nature of what happened.

889
01:19:35,220 --> 01:19:45,440
I was appalled by what I saw and heard in that meeting that night, and I wrote an email

890
01:19:47,510 --> 01:19:53,100
to object to what I saw in what I heard and to treat the little people.

891
01:19:53,760 --> 01:20:01,240
So, yeah, I don't believe that, yeah,

892
01:20:03,500 --> 01:20:04,960
that room actually reflects.

893
01:20:08,270 --> 01:20:12,130
I'll be brief, and I'll just say that that was a very unfortunate meeting that occurred.

894
01:20:12,670 --> 01:20:17,050
And I hope I never did this to something like that again.

895
01:20:18,130 --> 01:20:22,070
Any meeting that I tend to want to be in the business level or political level,

896
01:20:22,350 --> 01:20:24,210
it was very unfortunate.

897
01:20:24,210 --> 01:20:29,930
and they've left them on, so thank you for the support.

898
01:20:31,650 --> 01:20:32,810
I'm ready for both.

899
01:20:33,910 --> 01:20:34,370
Thank you.

900
01:20:38,490 --> 01:20:39,690
Thank you.

901
01:20:42,670 --> 01:20:44,010
Moving back along.

902
01:20:44,230 --> 01:20:44,970
Moving along.

903
01:20:46,930 --> 01:20:51,450
We're going to go to every task or to be sort of sent out for all license.

904
01:20:52,110 --> 01:20:53,070
Change of management.

905
01:20:59,390 --> 01:21:01,430
Yeah, sir. Hopefully we can be quick.

906
01:21:03,530 --> 01:21:06,990
We just have some shuffling as with any new business.

907
01:21:07,230 --> 01:21:13,190
We've got some moving parts with people and so the manager on the liquor license is being

908
01:21:13,190 --> 01:21:19,950
changed. He should be on here on the Zoom, but that's just a simple change of manager that's

909
01:21:19,950 --> 01:21:23,710
It's got to come before you, before it goes up to the ABCC for approval.

910
01:21:28,400 --> 01:21:29,720
John, do you have any questions?

911
01:21:30,100 --> 01:21:30,580
No questions.

912
01:21:31,120 --> 01:21:31,400
Mr. Chair,

913
01:21:33,450 --> 01:21:35,230
I think we're going to run them to be one motion.

914
01:21:35,490 --> 01:21:35,870
Yes, please.

915
01:21:36,590 --> 01:21:38,390
Make a motion to approve that big task.

916
01:21:39,810 --> 01:21:42,670
The extension, I'll call a license, change the manager's process.

917
01:21:44,290 --> 01:21:46,350
We're going to show our second in further discussion.

918
01:21:46,790 --> 01:21:46,890
No.

919
01:21:47,570 --> 01:21:48,410
John, can you hear me?

920
01:21:48,430 --> 01:21:48,830
Thank you a lot.

921
01:21:49,130 --> 01:21:49,990
And we're going to show our eye.

922
01:21:51,190 --> 01:21:51,710
Thank you.

923
01:21:52,370 --> 01:21:52,950
Thank you.

924
01:21:53,250 --> 01:21:53,510
Thank you.

925
01:21:55,350 --> 01:21:59,010
We've found all location presentations from my time.

926
01:22:00,170 --> 01:22:04,630
I know we have, I think, used to line up to the local fleet we've got here.

927
01:22:05,310 --> 01:22:06,250
Yeah, there's three things.

928
01:22:06,990 --> 01:22:08,290
What can you do in your duckland?

929
01:22:10,550 --> 01:22:16,710
The town hall selection task force was set with the mission to produce a study of town

930
01:22:16,710 --> 01:22:25,630
own properties to house not only a new town hall, but also the potential station. Under the

931
01:22:25,630 --> 01:22:31,070
Select Awards vision, they selected a task force chaired by grid comets, our chair,

932
01:22:31,930 --> 01:22:39,690
Lindsey Thomasus. Then we added a based on experience of that they have, Daniel Falen and Russ

933
01:22:39,690 --> 01:22:42,450
in my self-assounted administrator.

934
01:22:44,540 --> 01:22:47,900
The group produced, the task force produced an RFQ,

935
01:22:48,180 --> 01:22:49,840
which is a request for qualifications

936
01:22:50,540 --> 01:22:53,760
that was led out to the public or released to the public

937
01:22:53,760 --> 01:22:56,400
on May 20th of 2025.

938
01:22:57,740 --> 01:23:01,040
A mandatory meeting was held for all interested parties

939
01:23:01,040 --> 01:23:05,560
to attend a meeting on May 28th to give them the criteria

940
01:23:05,560 --> 01:23:06,440
of the RFQ.

941
01:23:07,320 --> 01:23:14,760
Bids were due on June 18th of 2025 with which five Bids were five companies responded

942
01:23:14,760 --> 01:23:24,260
and Icon architecture wanted the contract for setting out the mission of the panel.

943
01:23:25,300 --> 01:23:27,680
Well tonight we have Icon here to present their findings.

944
01:23:28,160 --> 01:23:33,540
We will be looking for the select boards to listen and then make a recommendation at the

945
01:23:33,540 --> 01:23:36,560
next meeting on October 28th.

946
01:23:36,560 --> 01:23:46,020
Re-principles that work on the project were named Collier, or eight NECO, and Mark with

947
01:23:46,020 --> 01:23:49,500
Reddives, and Mark is here tonight to walk us through some fine news.

948
01:23:50,700 --> 01:23:55,300
Okay. Can I get permission to share a screen?

949
01:23:57,810 --> 01:23:58,570
You have it, Mark.

950
01:23:59,270 --> 01:24:01,830
Oh, great. Thank you. Okay.

951
01:24:04,020 --> 01:24:08,980
I'm happy to be here with all of you tonight to talk about the

952
01:24:08,980 --> 01:24:19,640
site selection study and to look forward to hearing your response in the on the 28.

953
01:24:20,400 --> 01:24:30,160
So our agenda for, oh boy, oh boy, there we go, our agenda for tonight is to talk about

954
01:24:30,160 --> 01:24:40,660
about the why for the site selection, the site in building space requirements are study

955
01:24:40,660 --> 01:24:46,880
results, recommendations and concepts, and then next steps in public input.

956
01:24:48,140 --> 01:24:56,180
So as to the why, the town administration is dispersed over four sites, it's inefficient

957
01:24:56,180 --> 01:25:05,720
for residents and or employees it takes ours or transit to to do the business of the town.

958
01:25:07,460 --> 01:25:14,060
We have done a walkthrough of town properties and some of these are some of our initial

959
01:25:15,860 --> 01:25:22,260
look at the code and infrastructure issues that exist.

960
01:25:23,280 --> 01:25:29,900
We also looked at the accessibility challenges that the town has.

961
01:25:30,640 --> 01:25:35,020
And again, these are some of the challenges and issues.

962
01:25:35,340 --> 01:25:36,720
These are not all of them.

963
01:25:37,820 --> 01:25:41,580
What we are seeing here is clear clearance height.

964
01:25:42,280 --> 01:25:47,360
And obviously having stairs and an egress fall is not to code.

965
01:25:48,740 --> 01:25:52,760
I want to talk briefly about the study parameters.

966
01:25:53,900 --> 01:26:01,100
We were asked to focus, our task was to focus on town owned properties only.

967
01:26:03,960 --> 01:26:09,680
We were asked to consolidate the functions of town hall and the police department into

968
01:26:09,680 --> 01:26:17,260
one site and to consolidate the departments you see below into one building for town.

969
01:26:17,260 --> 01:26:28,120
all. So we met with leadership of the town hall and the police department. And through our

970
01:26:28,120 --> 01:26:35,480
programming process determine that town hall needs about 15,000 square feet and the police

971
01:26:35,480 --> 01:26:44,240
department around 9,000 square feet. When you look at parking zoning requirements, exterior

972
01:26:44,240 --> 01:26:51,800
your storage, programmable space, we came to a conclusion very early on that a minimum

973
01:26:51,800 --> 01:26:59,660
of an acre would be needed for either for a town hall and police department building

974
01:26:59,660 --> 01:27:02,480
or for a town hall project only.

975
01:27:03,940 --> 01:27:10,820
So our slight study, we started with 84 properties.

976
01:27:10,820 --> 01:27:21,040
and as I stated we really our first filter was to use the one acre and we looked at

977
01:27:21,040 --> 01:27:30,020
things that were one acre and we then took those seven properties and created

978
01:27:30,020 --> 01:27:36,740
an initial some additional criteria and created a scorecard based on feasibility

979
01:27:36,740 --> 01:27:46,720
And so the feasibility was a rated system of not feasible, was given zero points and that's red.

980
01:27:48,020 --> 01:27:55,460
Less feasible was given yellow and one point and feasible was green and given two points.

981
01:27:56,120 --> 01:28:01,820
And with that scoring system, we determined that the high point lane site

982
01:28:01,820 --> 01:28:13,380
and the West Williams site were the two most feasible sites for either option, a town hall or a town hall and police station.

983
01:28:15,220 --> 01:28:29,080
We put these sites on a map and you can see here that we've got some town, the major town owned parcels and properties of the flood zone.

984
01:28:29,080 --> 01:28:34,640
the circles that you see are a five minute walk radius and then we've got the

985
01:28:34,640 --> 01:28:43,160
bus routes. And as you can see West William is slightly smaller. It is within

986
01:28:43,160 --> 01:28:51,500
proximity to other town buildings and it's closer to town. The high point site

987
01:28:51,500 --> 01:29:01,860
is further away, but it is bigger, and it is also on transit and is adjacent to the DPW site.

988
01:29:02,820 --> 01:29:11,700
So after we determined these two sites were the best, we then went and spoke with our

989
01:29:11,700 --> 01:29:20,480
civil engineers and we looked at these two most viable sites together and we

990
01:29:20,480 --> 01:29:26,160
looked at these as challenges and opportunities for each site. So these

991
01:29:26,160 --> 01:29:31,620
criteria are the challenges and opportunities of these two sites and we looked

992
01:29:31,620 --> 01:29:36,900
at things such as the topography and cut and fill and you know how storm water

993
01:29:36,900 --> 01:29:42,340
management would be dealt with on each site and then if there's a site history of structures

994
01:29:42,770 --> 01:29:46,600
and whether or not that created contaminated soils.

995
01:29:47,240 --> 01:29:55,280
And so with that in the previous, we determined our recommendations.

996
01:29:55,280 --> 01:29:59,240
and so we have two.

997
01:30:00,000 --> 01:30:08,980
We have two recommended sites and concepts. Option one is the Consolidated Town Hall and Police

998
01:30:08,980 --> 01:30:17,540
Department together at High Point Lane. And option two is a Town Hall only on West

999
01:30:17,540 --> 01:30:27,060
William Street. And so, I just want to, we're showing these concepts. And as we do, I want

1000
01:30:27,060 --> 01:30:33,540
to point out the north arrow for this option, the north is at the upper right hand corner

1001
01:30:33,540 --> 01:30:44,300
of the screen. So in this, the site slopes from the high point near the old transfer station

1002
01:30:44,800 --> 01:30:51,980
down to the town pound. This is an L-shaped building that is three stories at the highest

1003
01:30:51,980 --> 01:30:58,660
point. It has two the the great thing about this is that it has two separate fronts and two identities

1004
01:30:58,660 --> 01:31:06,660
and the police station and the town hall can function. They can share an elevator and circulation

1005
01:31:06,660 --> 01:31:14,340
core, but they can function separately. The other thing that this provides is the opportunity for

1006
01:31:14,340 --> 01:31:23,580
for a public meeting space that opens for the south and west, and this also allows the

1007
01:31:23,580 --> 01:31:27,680
volume of the space to be appropriate for a larger space.

1008
01:31:28,240 --> 01:31:34,100
The other thing is that we have space for a SWOT, for the SWOT equipment storage and

1009
01:31:34,100 --> 01:31:37,280
a Sally port in the lower level.

1010
01:31:37,280 --> 01:31:56,970
And so the line you see going through that drawing with the two A's is the site section and so this is that site section showing how this would function on that site.

1011
01:31:57,210 --> 01:32:08,110
So you can see to the left the high point lane at the left side is the high point and it slopes down and you can see how the police department nestles below

1012
01:32:08,110 --> 01:32:17,530
the town hall and the town hall goes up and over. So for high point lane, the

1013
01:32:17,530 --> 01:32:24,890
pros of this are that it is a larger site, it has greater area, and because of

1014
01:32:24,890 --> 01:32:32,590
that, it allows it allows for two functions to work independently, and there is

1015
01:32:32,590 --> 01:32:35,690
It's also room for expansion at this site.

1016
01:32:36,930 --> 01:32:47,170
The con is that this is the steepest sloping site, and it will require more site work.

1017
01:32:47,390 --> 01:32:53,830
It is slightly more remote from the city, and there's a question as to whether or not

1018
01:32:53,830 --> 01:32:58,050
there would be need an additional road for emergency response.

1019
01:32:58,050 --> 01:33:10,470
And then because the annex is currently here during construction, staff would need to be relocated that work at the annex.

1020
01:33:11,750 --> 01:33:15,410
So that's option one which is the consolidated option.

1021
01:33:18,480 --> 01:33:24,120
Option two is a town hall only at West Williams site.

1022
01:33:24,120 --> 01:33:33,140
and for this, I just want to let everybody know, North is to your left. This is a much more

1023
01:33:33,140 --> 01:33:41,840
straightforward project. It's an L-shaped building with separate parking for visitors and staff.

1024
01:33:43,020 --> 01:33:51,280
This setback, the building is set back to match the residential properties in the neighborhood.

1025
01:33:51,280 --> 01:33:56,180
the main chunk of the building, the two-storey mass,

1026
01:33:56,560 --> 01:33:59,040
is in the middle of the site.

1027
01:33:59,680 --> 01:34:03,240
We have put the public meeting space to the east,

1028
01:34:03,720 --> 01:34:06,660
which again allows it to have the volume that's needed

1029
01:34:06,660 --> 01:34:08,560
for the space that it will be.

1030
01:34:10,300 --> 01:34:14,580
And this has a green space to the southeast

1031
01:34:14,580 --> 01:34:17,680
that can be used for programs.

1032
01:34:17,680 --> 01:34:22,940
and this fits into more of an urban campus.

1033
01:34:23,880 --> 01:34:28,660
So you can see here it's a much more simpler site.

1034
01:34:29,320 --> 01:34:33,620
There is grading that is required to the south,

1035
01:34:33,800 --> 01:34:39,680
but it's not nearly as extensive as the high point site.

1036
01:34:41,840 --> 01:34:44,600
So for pros and cons,

1037
01:34:44,600 --> 01:34:53,080
this again it can be part of a municipal campus. It can fit into the

1038
01:34:53,080 --> 01:34:58,680
neighborhood well and it has an interior exterior public space that can have

1039
01:34:58,680 --> 01:35:04,580
a great relationship to one another. There is some slope and it will require

1040
01:35:04,580 --> 01:35:14,140
either fill or grading. The vehicle access point so for the visitor parking it's

1041
01:35:14,140 --> 01:35:21,800
a little bit closer together than engineers, civil engineers would like. And then because

1042
01:35:21,800 --> 01:35:29,180
there was a house and garage on there previously, there is the potential for subsurface contamination

1043
01:35:29,180 --> 01:35:42,200
that would need to be remedial. So those are two recommended options and sites. And our

1044
01:35:42,200 --> 01:35:51,620
next steps. We are working on a town hall website, site selection website. We

1045
01:35:51,620 --> 01:35:58,420
would like to have public feedback and the email address is Office of the

1046
01:35:58,420 --> 01:36:05,800
town administrator at tizburyma.gov and we anticipate taking that public

1047
01:36:05,800 --> 01:36:14,380
feedback and putting it into revisions to these two options and then meeting with the

1048
01:36:14,380 --> 01:36:17,680
Select Board for Final Site Decision.

1049
01:36:19,060 --> 01:36:30,860
And so with that, I am going to stop sharing and welcome any questions or comments.

1050
01:36:32,440 --> 01:36:40,520
So, what is the strategy for getting this out to the public? I mean, I know it's the website,

1051
01:36:41,100 --> 01:36:45,860
but it's got to be some sort of strategy to get the public to the website.

1052
01:36:47,900 --> 01:36:49,260
Yes, we have.

1053
01:36:50,630 --> 01:36:58,100
We have to answer your first part. We have been meeting with a lot of the town departments

1054
01:36:58,100 --> 01:37:08,420
and committees, we've met with planning, we've been in FinCon meetings, so we've introduced

1055
01:37:08,420 --> 01:37:17,200
ourselves to the town through other committee meetings. We look to work with Joe and Rick

1056
01:37:17,200 --> 01:37:24,560
on sort of a social media outreach to get people to the website.

1057
01:37:24,560 --> 01:37:25,420
It

1058
01:37:27,920 --> 01:37:31,440
personally made it tense to me to the two of butters.

1059
01:37:31,680 --> 01:37:34,720
I was able to contact the one directly there.

1060
01:37:35,540 --> 01:37:38,600
And we sent the letter to the other of butters

1061
01:37:39,460 --> 01:37:41,360
because there was no contact made.

1062
01:37:41,680 --> 01:37:45,820
But we're going to get as Mark alluded to in the social media

1063
01:37:46,220 --> 01:37:48,700
will reach out to papers and so on.

1064
01:37:49,200 --> 01:37:51,980
I think we're going to say it's going to be nice.

1065
01:37:53,100 --> 01:37:55,340
Yeah, Mr. Chairman, I was just going to add.

1066
01:37:55,340 --> 01:38:01,000
And I think the publicity that we'll get through the papers will hopefully be helpful.

1067
01:38:02,200 --> 01:38:09,900
But I think that, you know, part of this decision that you'll be making on the 28th is

1068
01:38:09,900 --> 01:38:14,000
a financial decision and a timing decision.

1069
01:38:14,860 --> 01:38:22,200
And I think the extensive public input will come in the next phase of the project when we're

1070
01:38:22,200 --> 01:38:27,740
actually once, once you and your leadership role have made the, made the site selection.

1071
01:38:28,380 --> 01:38:36,860
And we move into the actual design of the facility itself and make sure that we end up with

1072
01:38:36,860 --> 01:38:43,080
the facility that really, you know, meets and exceeds the expectations of the residents

1073
01:38:43,080 --> 01:38:50,600
of, of, of, of Tisbury. So I don't, I don't, I don't, I don't want to lead one to think

1074
01:38:50,600 --> 01:38:55,400
that we're going to do extensive, you know, public outreach during this next period.

1075
01:38:55,500 --> 01:39:01,200
I think we're going to do some good, solid public outreach and get opinions and see what

1076
01:39:01,200 --> 01:39:07,720
people bring to the table that might, you know, require us to make some adjustments.

1077
01:39:08,120 --> 01:39:13,820
And also your feedback will be most critical, you know, to this process.

1078
01:39:13,820 --> 01:39:26,260
We have, as Mark said, met with the planning board, met with Fincom, and so they are up to speed on this, and so we expect to get feedback from them as well.

1079
01:39:26,680 --> 01:39:31,060
But we've gone through a methodical process now.

1080
01:39:31,440 --> 01:39:38,740
We've got two very different recommendations, a town hall and a town hall and a police department.

1081
01:39:38,740 --> 01:39:45,900
And we're hoping that on the 28th, you all can make a final decision that we can move

1082
01:39:45,900 --> 01:39:50,580
into, you know, the next phase of planning for this facility.

1083
01:39:54,700 --> 01:40:00,040
I think I got most of it, but I think so here, if I can ask a question, a Rick or the

1084
01:40:00,040 --> 01:40:06,380
gentleman for my kind, between now and the 28th, we can have our thoughts and come back

1085
01:40:06,380 --> 01:40:07,280
on the 28th.

1086
01:40:07,340 --> 01:40:08,080
Here's my question.

1087
01:40:08,580 --> 01:40:12,080
Is there anything new that you're going to share with us on the 28th?

1088
01:40:14,960 --> 01:40:19,320
If something new comes off, we will share it with you on the 28th.

1089
01:40:19,380 --> 01:40:23,220
But at this point, we don't expect that.

1090
01:40:23,440 --> 01:40:31,180
But you never know there may be some ideas or some information that we were not aware of.

1091
01:40:31,380 --> 01:40:37,240
And as Joe has said, he's been reaching out to the abutters and getting their input as well,

1092
01:40:37,240 --> 01:40:44,760
which we think is important. So, you know, we think we're 90% of the way there,

1093
01:40:46,160 --> 01:40:52,480
and we just want to leave a little cushion for something else to come to our attention

1094
01:40:52,480 --> 01:40:59,940
in the meantime. This is the follow-up. I'd like to know what the square footage on each of those.

1095
01:41:00,100 --> 01:41:03,960
You might have mentioned it, I might have missed it, but what the square footage on each of those

1096
01:41:03,960 --> 01:41:13,700
site's work. The square footage of the sites or the so the the West William site is just a

1097
01:41:13,700 --> 01:41:20,320
little bit over an acre and the high point site is a little bit over three acres. I believe

1098
01:41:20,320 --> 01:41:24,360
it's 3.2 acres. I'm sorry baby the square footage of the buildings.

1099
01:41:24,360 --> 01:41:34,420
So the building square footage is are 15,100 for the town hall and 8,900 square feet

1100
01:41:34,420 --> 01:41:35,900
for the police station.

1101
01:41:36,480 --> 01:41:40,820
So when it's a combined building, it would be 24,000 square feet.

1102
01:41:41,420 --> 01:41:44,520
The West Williams would be 15,000 square feet.

1103
01:41:44,980 --> 01:41:45,240
Yes.

1104
01:41:45,240 --> 01:41:47,600
Yes, I'm

1105
01:41:50,290 --> 01:41:51,650
trying to keep an open mind.

1106
01:41:53,410 --> 01:42:01,450
I just have West William Street in my mind is the perfect place for kids very to put

1107
01:42:01,450 --> 01:42:06,070
me this one out of there with something in which is something that I want you to eat.

1108
01:42:06,170 --> 01:42:07,030
That's pretty neat.

1109
01:42:08,210 --> 01:42:17,850
So in my personal opinion is I'm leading more towards the high point lathe and I'm wondering

1110
01:42:17,850 --> 01:42:23,590
if it would be possible to look at this as and I know you said too vague it wouldn't be possible

1111
01:42:23,590 --> 01:42:32,210
to look at it in two phases a town hall and then later down the road during the police station.

1112
01:42:32,890 --> 01:42:39,570
Yes it could be a phase project it will be more expensive over because of escalation

1113
01:42:40,410 --> 01:42:44,730
but yes it definitely can be done it would likely need to be

1114
01:42:46,890 --> 01:42:55,890
Well, yeah, it could be two buildings at that point or it could be a combination as we're

1115
01:42:55,890 --> 01:42:56,290
showing.

1116
01:42:57,590 --> 01:43:03,890
Well, final comment is that if you go to high point and the police do cough at the

1117
01:43:03,890 --> 01:43:10,250
same time, and we build it all as one, the property and downtown vineyard haven't I'd like

1118
01:43:10,250 --> 01:43:16,610
to know how it would be on the scope, but Rick went to hear maybe on the 28th, what we think that

1119
01:43:16,610 --> 01:43:20,490
property will have the value of that property down down with being to

1120
01:43:22,540 --> 01:43:25,520
sell it. Yeah, I mean we can

1121
01:43:25,520 --> 01:43:32,060
look at the property records and we can also make some you know kind of inquiries as well just to get

1122
01:43:32,060 --> 01:43:41,860
a sense and maybe bring a range back you know to you. But I think the I mean Mr. Chairman,

1123
01:43:41,860 --> 01:43:46,980
your suggestion of just facing the project is exactly the kind of thing we were looking for,

1124
01:43:47,420 --> 01:43:53,820
you know, this evening, and we can dive into that over the next couple of weeks and bring that back

1125
01:43:53,820 --> 01:44:00,180
as a third option to consider at the meeting on the 28th. Be happy to do that.

1126
01:44:01,440 --> 01:44:07,580
And we'll look into the police station potentially what its value might be.

1127
01:44:09,120 --> 01:44:18,960
Okay, all right. Good job. Well, thank you. Thank you, Rick. Thank you, Mark. We appreciate

1128
01:44:18,960 --> 01:44:27,260
the, you know, the information given us tonight. We'll see you on the 28th. Okay. Thank you very much. Thank you. Okay.

1129
01:44:29,590 --> 01:44:35,470
Back to our agenda, we're trying because we have an executive set, and let's see if we can

1130
01:44:38,230 --> 01:44:43,950
community preservation is an idea for someone here for community preservation.

1131
01:44:44,390 --> 01:44:45,630
That's for us.

1132
01:44:46,190 --> 01:44:51,170
Those are our applications that are due on the 10th.

1133
01:44:51,230 --> 01:44:53,970
So you go to submit them a select board.

1134
01:44:53,970 --> 01:44:58,430
And those applications are, and they are affected.

1135
01:45:00,000 --> 01:45:12,740
That would be the renovation of the kiosk, the information kiosk, the funds for the municipal housing

1136
01:45:12,740 --> 01:45:16,540
trust and the some law.

1137
01:45:18,760 --> 01:45:19,720
All right.

1138
01:45:19,860 --> 01:45:23,380
We need to talk to a close motion to prove some move.

1139
01:45:24,380 --> 01:45:25,200
We're going to try out second.

1140
01:45:25,380 --> 01:45:26,440
Is there any other conversation?

1141
01:45:27,060 --> 01:45:27,360
No, sir.

1142
01:45:28,880 --> 01:45:30,380
We'll call both of you on the table.

1143
01:45:30,680 --> 01:45:31,100
Hey, a lot.

1144
01:45:31,560 --> 01:45:32,320
And we're going to try.

1145
01:45:34,980 --> 01:45:39,060
You like to say anything about you from the cabinet policy at all?

1146
01:45:39,560 --> 01:45:41,100
I think the other scheme.

1147
01:45:41,600 --> 01:45:42,080
Yes.

1148
01:45:43,880 --> 01:45:48,280
I would like to bring this up maybe the next meeting.

1149
01:45:48,760 --> 01:45:48,780
Okay.

1150
01:45:49,080 --> 01:45:51,920
I read through the policy and you post it online.

1151
01:45:52,200 --> 01:45:52,520
Yes.

1152
01:45:52,760 --> 01:45:53,340
And I'd like it.

1153
01:45:53,620 --> 01:45:55,040
I'd like to be reviewed.

1154
01:45:55,540 --> 01:45:55,620
Okay.

1155
01:45:55,740 --> 01:45:57,640
I have a new job description for that one.

1156
01:45:58,000 --> 01:45:58,440
Okay.

1157
01:45:59,400 --> 01:46:01,940
If they do something, that's okay.

1158
01:46:02,140 --> 01:46:03,000
I went in the 28.

1159
01:46:03,500 --> 01:46:03,720
Yeah.

1160
01:46:03,920 --> 01:46:04,880
If I go over there.

1161
01:46:05,520 --> 01:46:05,860
Yeah.

1162
01:46:06,260 --> 01:46:06,420
That's fine.

1163
01:46:06,860 --> 01:46:07,060
Okay.

1164
01:46:09,160 --> 01:46:13,740
That takes us to the kind of administrative report.

1165
01:46:14,120 --> 01:46:15,600
Okay, it might not be very brief.

1166
01:46:16,300 --> 01:46:18,220
We're starting to continue those conversations

1167
01:46:18,530 --> 01:46:24,260
with us as far as shared services

1168
01:46:24,260 --> 01:46:26,420
and how we're starting to move things forward.

1169
01:46:27,580 --> 01:46:31,880
Most recently, we were approached by the open us

1170
01:46:31,880 --> 01:46:35,000
animal control officer to enter and join MOUU

1171
01:46:35,000 --> 01:46:36,500
to help with background.

1172
01:46:36,500 --> 01:46:41,560
I mean, it comes time if someone's out of the office and if they can be in the office

1173
01:46:41,560 --> 01:46:46,480
in a way that we can then insert the services and help for a lot of stuff.

1174
01:46:47,200 --> 01:46:50,540
The MOU would like to enter in, we're working through getting the language consistent,

1175
01:46:50,640 --> 01:46:55,500
so this is just that kind of pre-person, is that we're working through that process, trying

1176
01:46:55,500 --> 01:46:56,280
to share services.

1177
01:46:58,880 --> 01:47:03,120
And very briefly, too, you remember the old peer contract.

1178
01:47:04,980 --> 01:47:11,640
When this came to, went out to bid, and it's been sitting for a few years, went out to

1179
01:47:11,640 --> 01:47:19,240
bid toward the pure replacement in Owen Park and over two solicitations for bid.

1180
01:47:19,960 --> 01:47:23,740
This went to Robert B. Howard Marine Division LLC.

1181
01:47:24,300 --> 01:47:32,460
They were the successful low bid and responsible low bidder, $1,109,000 or $420,000 an age

1182
01:47:32,460 --> 01:47:40,520
So that's a $9,000, $1,880, that project hasn't already been started.

1183
01:47:41,620 --> 01:47:45,220
Materials have been ordered in the commencement completion dates.

1184
01:47:45,560 --> 01:47:49,380
We estimate to be made 15th of March and we're available here.

1185
01:47:50,540 --> 01:47:54,100
So we have contracts that we've already agreed to,

1186
01:47:54,280 --> 01:47:57,960
prior meeting, we have contracts to sign for you to see.

1187
01:47:58,580 --> 01:47:59,880
So that's that now.

1188
01:48:05,300 --> 01:48:15,880
So we move along, we have a request for transfers from the shellfish struts, so this is Daniel

1189
01:48:15,880 --> 01:48:16,900
or Dr. Bradford.

1190
01:48:18,080 --> 01:48:19,480
Yeah, hi guys.

1191
01:48:20,040 --> 01:48:21,060
I'm on Zoom right now.

1192
01:48:21,060 --> 01:48:33,120
Yeah, basically, this is a request for an additional $7,000 to help pay for the concrete

1193
01:48:33,120 --> 01:48:37,760
in the shellfish and harbor tents.

1194
01:48:38,260 --> 01:48:47,000
Now we received, well, we got 15,000 from town meeting that we asked for last.

1195
01:48:47,000 --> 01:48:53,180
Not this past, not this September town meeting, but the annual town meeting before.

1196
01:48:54,260 --> 01:48:57,120
So this is just to pay

1197
01:48:59,200 --> 01:49:06,840
for the concrete, because we want to make that area that works

1198
01:49:06,840 --> 01:49:08,780
shared workspace a little bit nicer.

1199
01:49:14,040 --> 01:49:16,820
Here we, where is this site?

1200
01:49:18,280 --> 01:49:23,320
It's at the DPW, it's our tent, it's the harbor and shellfish shared.

1201
01:49:23,320 --> 01:49:25,420
space. Yeah.

1202
01:49:28,630 --> 01:49:33,670
So the annual town meeting, you were, we approved $15,000. Yeah.

1203
01:49:34,270 --> 01:49:40,810
Asking for $7,000. Is that $7,000? Part of the one or in addition? In addition to.

1204
01:49:50,340 --> 01:49:51,800
John, you have any other questions? No.

1205
01:49:56,860 --> 01:50:00,600
Is that additional $7,000? Again, it's just for...

1206
01:50:02,520 --> 01:50:07,600
Yeah, just for the concrete pad in that tent.

1207
01:50:08,280 --> 01:50:09,780
I know it's sitting right now.

1208
01:50:09,900 --> 01:50:11,080
I do all the work here.

1209
01:50:11,440 --> 01:50:13,780
I'm going to work for each and that's inside.

1210
01:50:14,260 --> 01:50:16,500
I'm going through the cap over it.

1211
01:50:16,980 --> 01:50:17,680
It just makes it easier.

1212
01:50:19,840 --> 01:50:21,400
No environmental concerns.

1213
01:50:22,160 --> 01:50:24,480
If we didn't need to wear our boys and say for a tent,

1214
01:50:24,580 --> 01:50:26,180
we ask them to do something like that.

1215
01:50:26,400 --> 01:50:28,840
The employers think they'll get a greater attention

1216
01:50:28,840 --> 01:50:30,160
the opportunity to get around.

1217
01:50:30,500 --> 01:50:31,600
This way actually helps.

1218
01:50:34,640 --> 01:50:35,960
John, does that make a motion?

1219
01:50:36,100 --> 01:50:37,600
I'd like to make a motion where you'll prove the

1220
01:50:37,600 --> 01:50:39,380
panther, but there's no fish from the

1221
01:50:39,380 --> 01:50:40,240
Charlottes Trust.

1222
01:50:41,640 --> 01:50:42,640
Will you share our second?

1223
01:50:42,960 --> 01:50:44,200
Is there any other discussion?

1224
01:50:46,120 --> 01:50:48,240
Before we close, Mr. Chair.

1225
01:50:48,440 --> 01:50:49,520
Will you share the motion?

1226
01:50:50,320 --> 01:50:50,760
Oh, sure.

1227
01:50:52,380 --> 01:50:53,380
We'll call him, John.

1228
01:50:53,640 --> 01:50:54,300
Take a lot.

1229
01:50:54,640 --> 01:50:55,220
And we'll share.

1230
01:50:55,680 --> 01:50:55,780
Yeah.

1231
01:50:55,780 --> 01:51:06,580
Yeah, sorry, Kelly reminded me part of the processes here at his very is when we vote or when we take an action to sign a contract, we vote on here.

1232
01:51:07,240 --> 01:51:18,200
That's my big difference. I said nothing was needed, so I'd like to just put the only our period contract back before the board to make a motion to sign a contract with Robert B.

1233
01:51:26,760 --> 01:51:51,970
We are going to go into executive session in accordance with general mass general law, chapter 30, section 21, a paragraph 2 to be done for head decisions.

1234
01:51:51,970 --> 01:51:59,310
in preparation for a go-jage, but not really personnel, or to be selected by argument sessions,

1235
01:51:59,770 --> 01:52:04,210
or to contract the go-jage with non-use.

1236
01:52:04,770 --> 01:52:13,310
Now, in the grievance filed by American Federation of State County and municipal employee,

1237
01:52:13,310 --> 01:52:17,790
and we will not be returning to all of the sessions.

1238
01:52:19,690 --> 01:52:21,550
We are not going to share about that.

1239
01:52:22,370 --> 01:52:22,870
Yes, please.

1240
01:52:24,310 --> 01:52:26,410
Now motion to go on to the next discussion.

1241
01:52:26,410 --> 01:52:29,230
Okay, I'm going to connect this on the piece.

1242
01:52:29,350 --> 01:52:29,870
Oh, hold on.

1243
01:52:29,930 --> 01:52:31,810
We're going to hear our second in the further discussion.

1244
01:52:32,070 --> 01:52:32,810
So it's going to be deep.