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whatever is approved for steps and

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management. So that stay the same. uh

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longevity is as it was or as it should

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be for staff members

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um postage you know I mean we basically

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have the same kind of postage we we

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reduced the I mean we didn't reduce I'm

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realizing the cost of computers and

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computing equipment is going up so we

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have gone down from before so we may

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have to borrow a computer to pay in the

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future if we need to deal with computer

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equipment. Um I just this year was able

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to replace a computer that I had since I

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had been at the city. So I know that

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we're going to have to go through some

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cycles of but I think everyone else in

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the office has had new machines. Um so

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hopefully we can not have to worry about

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um new computing equipment. um postage.

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send out um information to those folks

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who have their exemptions and wait to

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renew their exemptions. So um we send

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out that you know there's other

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requirements in terms of us sending out

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information to people about renewing

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exemptions um not just from the STAR

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program but also other exemptions that

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they have. So that is a costly thing but

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we didn't change it from last year

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because it generally stays the same. um

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administration expense. So that I can't

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remember what we that that's generally

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paying for um our access to Gar MLS, the

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multiple listing service so that we can

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do um our appraisals and things that we

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use for

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value property. Um and also Siren, which

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is a the commercial part of that.

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haven't we the only thing we really need

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to do with advertising is put legal

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notices in the paper as per real

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property tax law. We need to let them

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know when we put the tenative roll out

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and when we put the final roll out. Um

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doesn't really cost too much. So that's

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a limited extent. um inservice training

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that uh so the appraiser in the office

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is required to have an appraisal license

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and we pay for continuing education for

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her. I have an appraisal license and I

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have to stay certified at the state for

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continuing it. So that there hasn't, you

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know, it really hasn't changed. There

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wasn't anything that changed with that.

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the privilege of using real property

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service, which is our RPS system,

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and they're in the process of changing

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that over, but they have told us that

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there is going to be no change in the

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amount of money that we have to pay, and

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it's based off parcel size or size of

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the municipality in terms of parcels.

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reduced a little bit of our supplies

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budget because we found that we're not

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from the stable. We used to order paper

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through multiple departments, but um

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we're ordering paper through stables and

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it's a little cheaper now. Um and then

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the maintenance contracts, that's our we

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got a new copy machine. We do a lot of

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copies. Um, when they when folks come in

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with their exemption applications, we

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give them a copy of their front page

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after we stamp it so that they have

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it's been expensive with the new

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contract. The last one we had, we didn't

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pay we just paid for maintenance and

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was too old. So, we needed to um

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purchase a new product machine. Um and

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the the board of assessment review that

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the salaries are going to remain the

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same. So there's really hasn't been too

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much. I think the the most increase has

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been with salaries based on you know

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steps for um union employees and then

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>> So, the the real property appraiser. So,

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is that who does like appraisers for us?

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talked about that person on commercial

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or excuse me, focus on residential

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appraising and then I deal with the

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commercial stuff.

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know like we had conversations around

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expenses that it would that could

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potentially cost the city if we had to

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get it appraisal done and

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>> yeah so it's a little when we have to go

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like for a tax purposes

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>> we need a trial ready appraisal which

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was not something that we should provide

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in house it's something that we need to

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hire out for

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>> for like the separation okay

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what's on the books for the assessment

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office is supposed to be what's legally

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acceptable and Then if you need to prove

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otherwise, you know, a petitioner has to

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come in and say provide,

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>> Something outside of that.

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>> Thank you.

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» The board of assessment um there's no change there.

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still, you know, are receiving the same

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um payment they've received for

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as long as I've been here.

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>> We have known over the years that the

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attendance, how did you see attendance

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um from his board last year?

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>> Yeah. You know, I I think if there's

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anything to question, um it's that we

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don't have the volume and I don't know

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the history because I wasn't here for

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the last readaloud, but we don't know

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the volume of

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things that they had to deal with

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before. I just know the value volume now

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has gone down. Right. So, but if we

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enter into some kind of revaluation in

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the future,

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they're going to earn their earn their

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wages, earn their their money. So,

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that's I mean, I think that's something

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to think about in terms of keeping it,

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particularly if we're looking in the

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near future.

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>> I I have a question about that, but I

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think it might be more for u the

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commissioner. Do we pay them at the end

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of the year or something? Like, why have

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>> What's that? Sorry. um the board

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>> board of assessment to review um they've

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>> once a year as soon as they're finished

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you know their um what they have to do.

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soon as our board chair signs off on all

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the letters, that's when I release the

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payment and I give um the vouchers to

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everything has to be out July 4 1st. So,

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that is on the bottom of page 80.

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» Page 1814 clerk's office has increased

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about this group that's not here.

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little different is the deputy res who

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salary with uh the regular management

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increase would be below the IPS3 who she

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manages. So her increase was a little

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higher than you know than everyone else.

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we have a slight reduction in supplies

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I think uh we can finally get to link

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with that. It should be okay. Uh

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travel conferences we haven't had in a

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while. And in the service training

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that's still the same. Although

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um last uh last month there was a

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conference training that I wanted to go

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to but we just didn't have enough in the

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budget for it.

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» So So is this fun? I'm sorry. Go ahead,

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>> That would not cover the cost to go to

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>> Yeah, you're right. Especially if it's

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» Any question from Miss Michael? Please

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>> Hi, thank you. So, so the clerical aid

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is a 12% increase. Can you explain why

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that was again? the IPS

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that's union. So the IPS3 and the

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clerically they're both union positions.

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» And does that include a step increase?

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>> Any other question?

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>> We'll go into um

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code enforcement and that is on the

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million uh 170.

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» Do you need this?

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Hold on.

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Finish with me.

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>> Yes. Can you please walk us through any

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significant changes within your

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department budget?

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So, um I'll start with staffing. So, um

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we made some significant changes for

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staffing. We've uh

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lowered the code enforcement. First of

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all, uh no proposed changes or requests

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for salt. Um this estimated 3% increase

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for for a management and uh across the

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board.

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So um we have eliminated two positions

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for code enforcement officers and

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uh also for administrative staff we have

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eliminated the clerk position.

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the electrical inspector has went from

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full-time to a part-time position. I

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don't know if that's reflecting on

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I'm not looking at what you're looking

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>> It's not built.

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>> It's not.

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>> So, we're proposing to go to a part-time

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position for the electrical inspector at

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a $35,000 salary that it's been updated

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or should be updated.

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>> No, it's not updated as a proposal. We

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had a conversation about it.

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>> This was after the budget was put

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together. Yes. So, um I'm proposing to

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put that 35,000

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back in for the electrical inspector,

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parttime position. That'll be split. So,

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we'll have a a part-time position for

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the electrical inspector and leading on

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third party services to uh make up the

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difference there, make sure we can cover

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our services.

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>> What is the amount that you're trying

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that you'd like to turn in the budget?

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>> 35,000.

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>> 35.

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>> Yes.

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And where would that Oh, so that would

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be would that go under um the

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>> spect

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should be 4,000,

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>> so so just leave it in at 75,15

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this year.

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>> Right. But

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>> zero No,

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>> the problem

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>> position is

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>> hiring an individual who is a retired

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city firefighter

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as a certification into teacher Hudson

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Valley,

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great guy.

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But because he is retired in under the

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age of 65, he is limited to earning only

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$35,000

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a year. Uh I thought this might resolve

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it. So county civil service commission

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gave a test to the electrical inspector.

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He is the only person that took it, the

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only person that passed.

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>> So I can only hire him for 35,000.

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There's some indication this

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past budget year going in that the state

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was going to raise that amount that

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individuals could make as retirees.

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Uh but it's still at 35,000. So we're

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somewhat of a quandry or I'd like him to

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be here full-time, but we can't pay him

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full-time salary and it worked it. So if

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he worked for a while at the 35,000

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then now is working a outside contractor

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group in to do the electrical

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inspecting. So it's a less than optimal

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scenario. It's

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reality recruitment and people that meet

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the technical background.

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So may how is that third party

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inspection?

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Good. He's going to inspect.

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>> So individual pay

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for party inspection and then how our

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inspector will do it.

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>> Uh correct.

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» Go ahead please.

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>> No, I just I was asking for

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clarification. So what did we spend last

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year on on this particular salary line?

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It was 75,000 last year.

340
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>> It was uh very close to 75,000. I don't

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have the exact figure in front of me,

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but yes, you're you're very close to

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getting.

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>> So, last year he was able to earn the

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full salary while you're working through

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this process.

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>> Um, he he came on board city midway

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through the year.

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>> So, he didn't reach that threshold

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uh that conflicted with his retirement.

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So, uh, when that when that threshold

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was getting close to where we made some

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changes,

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>> so we didn't spend 5,000 next year

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because he only

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position retired, but he was paid for

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the remainder of the year to roughly

358
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35,000. So, the expenditure on that line

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was close to budget.

360
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Go ahead.

361
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You said earlier that there was no

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increases beyond the 3%. Correct. The

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enforcement supervisor

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is plus $3,000. Didn't know if you had

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explanation for that. That clearly

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exceeds the

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different.

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» And then follow question M. Um, seeking

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clarification of one of the questions

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I've had about any code enforcement

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officers. My understanding those are

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revenue generating positions and as

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compliance enforcement officers in the

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past you've talked about some of the

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difficulties with um training

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individuals in this profession and how

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it requires a steep learning curve. Um,

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but I wanted to know were these

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reductions related to the revenue

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reductions with respect to like a

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building?

382
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Well, historically, I'm aware that uh

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while we had 12 positions budgeted,

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uh we we have never had them filled.

385
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Um and I I believe with

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provide professional services from a

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city to the public with with no problem

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with the 12 positions.

389
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>> So, just follow up to that. Sorry. Um

390
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yes,

391
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>> those additional two positions were they

392
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never sought to be filled or what was

393
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the expectancy and not pursuing them?

394
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>> Um they haven't been filled since I've

395
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been with the city and uh I'm aware that

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they weren't filled uh even close to

397
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when I came on board. So, I came on

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board with 10 officers and u I can't

399
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speak for the exact situation leading up

400
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to me coming on board with the city, but

401
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I I don't believe they've ever been

402
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filled.

403
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» So, you budgeted for 10. How many are currently filled right now?

404
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>> Five right now.

405
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>> But right now, we only have five. with

406
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five.

407
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And how long has it been at?

408
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>> Um, actually today we're staying with

409
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five.

410
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>> Okay. Was it before that?

411
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>> Um,

412
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before today.

413
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>> So did five bring you up to five taking

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down?

415
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>> Five brought brought us up. So we had

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two officers become certified today.

417
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>> So before then you had three.

418
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>> Yeah, we have today.

419
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>> Yep.

420
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three certified officers, uh, three

421
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certified management, so six working

422
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certified officers and, uh,

423
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» just just for a little more clarity, so

424
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you had five, but did did the three

425
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management actually go out into the

426
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field or was that more

427
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>> We have since we've been um since we've

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been struggling with uh staffing and

429
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we've been having a little bit of

430
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shorting staff it short shortage there.

431
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We have been working field one

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>> and now with the two officers uh

433
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becoming certified today we virtually uh

434
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doubled our field staff.

435
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Um, I was looking at the uh revenue

436
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today from the year-to- date budget

437
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reports and we're we're down um in uh

438
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the uh the fees, the president fees. And

439
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I was just wondering if if you had any

440
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idea on why we're not bringing in that

441
00:20:12,480 --> 00:20:14,400
revenue. I'm not sure if you can answer

442
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that or if there's just less going on or

443
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>> Can you share the line? Yeah.

444
00:20:19,760 --> 00:20:21,039
I don't know if you have this, but I'll

445
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show you the on.

446
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>> I'll just um It's call for everybody

447
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else.

448
00:20:25,760 --> 00:20:27,200
>> Call the number of the number.

449
00:20:27,200 --> 00:20:29,520
>> Yep. For everybody else, it's um and I

450
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think Mr. Williams was starting to

451
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allude to this maybe, but it was 251.

452
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Um it's really been through

453
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B, I think. But the more significant uh

454
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decreases are in the um the plumbing

455
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permit fee. I mean in terms of what we

456
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were expecting for revenue. Okay.

457
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>> Um the uh let's see that was plumbing

458
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permit, electrical permit

459
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um and rental certific.

460
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So the plumbing permit fee while we do

461
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work hand in hand with plumbing uh does

462
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reside in the water department. It's in

463
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that budget. Um so I won't speak on

464
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that. I think that's more uh

465
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appropriate for OS and the water

466
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department to speak on the funding.

467
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>> Okay. Um the other permit fees um

468
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I think the biggest moment will be

469
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electrical went down by 70,000.

470
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Um

471
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I think it might be related to

472
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it could be related to trends. So there

473
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might not be as much work going on in

474
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the field

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last year.

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[Music]

477
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So we did have some large projects that

478
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were permitted last year and they were

479
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significant. They were

480
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hundred hundreds of thousands of dollars

481
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in permit fees. So that could affected

482
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us significantly.

483
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>> Thank you.

484
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>> Go ahead.

485
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>> Um

486
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thank you. Um Mr. Chy, do you have any

487
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um anyone in queue ringing up, you know,

488
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to be placed to up your five?

489
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>> Um, so it is a priority to fill those

490
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spots and I'm looking for good qualified

491
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candidates and um we're having a little

492
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bit of a challenge in finding qualified

493
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candidates. realizing there's a hiring

494
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freeze. Um I just wondered if you have

495
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someone that was already in training at

496
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this point. So you're constantly

497
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looking.

498
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>> No. So we are constantly uh interviewing

499
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and I don't have anybody in training

500
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now.

501
00:23:16,159 --> 00:23:16,480
>> Okay.

502
00:23:16,480 --> 00:23:18,159
>> Um

503
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reviewing applications and it's a high

504
00:23:20,799 --> 00:23:23,280
priority to bring fill those positions.

505
00:23:23,280 --> 00:23:23,840
>> Thank you.

506
00:23:23,840 --> 00:23:25,840
>> You're welcome.

507
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>> Go ahead.

508
00:23:26,799 --> 00:23:28,559
>> Thank you. So um you talked about the

509
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plumbing permit piece, but um there's

510
00:23:30,799 --> 00:23:32,320
really no change in that. There's

511
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actually a plumbing licensing fee. Is

512
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that also It's only It's a couple grand.

513
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Is that also some That would be okay.

514
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I'm sorry. I should say it's A2501E

515
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and down.

516
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» So that's not your item.

517
00:23:50,320 --> 00:23:52,559
>> Similar situation. Yeah. That belongs to

518
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the water department.

519
00:23:57,919 --> 00:23:59,360
» All right. Any other questions?

520
00:23:59,360 --> 00:24:01,600
>> Yes. So that so it's kind of going back

521
00:24:01,600 --> 00:24:06,640
to the electrical inspector um at having

522
00:24:06,640 --> 00:24:09,840
to cut his salary in half because not

523
00:24:09,840 --> 00:24:13,360
able to make um over 35 grand. So the

524
00:24:13,360 --> 00:24:16,559
rest of so the remainder of that comes

525
00:24:16,559 --> 00:24:19,279
out of fees for services. Correct.

526
00:24:19,279 --> 00:24:27,919
>> Um I don't believe so. So, the third party will charge a fee for

527
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the inspections that are done through

528
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that third party firm.

529
00:24:35,200 --> 00:24:40,720
» Hold on. So, so the third party firm

530
00:24:40,720 --> 00:24:43,600
charges who for the

531
00:24:43,600 --> 00:24:50,950
>> the applicant

532
00:24:50,960 --> 00:24:54,159
» and who's the third party

533
00:24:54,159 --> 00:24:56,240
that we're using right now? It's not

534
00:24:56,240 --> 00:24:56,960
him, right?

535
00:24:56,960 --> 00:25:00,000
>> Middle department. Middle department

536
00:25:00,000 --> 00:25:06,789
inspection agency. NDIA. Okay.

537
00:25:06,799 --> 00:25:10,400
Um, so I do have a question about

538
00:25:10,400 --> 00:25:13,360
the stop work order fees. I think we may

539
00:25:13,360 --> 00:25:15,120
have had a big discussion. So there's a

540
00:25:15,120 --> 00:25:17,360
charge for the stop order and then

541
00:25:17,360 --> 00:25:19,919
there's a another $75 charge to go along

542
00:25:19,919 --> 00:25:22,080
with that which is

543
00:25:22,080 --> 00:25:24,640
>> so an administrative fee is for any

544
00:25:24,640 --> 00:25:26,080
violation that's issued.

545
00:25:26,080 --> 00:25:27,600
>> So that's 75

546
00:25:27,600 --> 00:25:30,799
>> $75 an administrative fee. Yes.

547
00:25:30,799 --> 00:25:32,880
And then once the person actually comes

548
00:25:32,880 --> 00:25:35,200
and gets their permit, you're charged

549
00:25:35,200 --> 00:25:37,360
twice for that permit.

550
00:25:37,360 --> 00:25:40,640
>> There is a Yes, there's a double permit

551
00:25:40,640 --> 00:25:43,919
fee for a stop work order

552
00:25:43,919 --> 00:25:45,840
>> even though that So they're getting

553
00:25:45,840 --> 00:25:47,679
penalized twice. Then they're getting

554
00:25:47,679 --> 00:25:49,840
penalized with the 500 for the stop work

555
00:25:49,840 --> 00:25:51,360
order and then penalized by making them

556
00:25:51,360 --> 00:25:53,200
pay the permit twice.

557
00:25:53,200 --> 00:25:57,279
>> Yeah. So this is nothing new. many

558
00:25:57,279 --> 00:25:59,440
more than many it's a large percentage

559
00:25:59,440 --> 00:26:02,880
of municipalities handled that situation

560
00:26:02,880 --> 00:26:05,760
the same way and uh that that is what's

561
00:26:05,760 --> 00:26:08,880
set up in sky and it's been set up long

562
00:26:08,880 --> 00:26:10,799
before I've been here

563
00:26:10,799 --> 00:26:12,400
>> well it was brought to my attention

564
00:26:12,400 --> 00:26:13,600
because somebody came to the bill and

565
00:26:13,600 --> 00:26:16,000
said they tried to adise the same thing

566
00:26:16,000 --> 00:26:18,000
I've never had a personal experience so

567
00:26:18,000 --> 00:26:19,360
that's why I'm bringing it here because

568
00:26:19,360 --> 00:26:21,279
I did not know that that was the case

569
00:26:21,279 --> 00:26:23,919
>> so that's in the ordinance that um when

570
00:26:23,919 --> 00:26:26,240
there's a stop order issued, there's

571
00:26:26,240 --> 00:26:28,559
double permit fees. So, all all permit

572
00:26:28,559 --> 00:26:31,279
fees are doubled when uh there's a stop

573
00:26:31,279 --> 00:26:34,400
work order issued.

574
00:26:34,400 --> 00:26:37,990
>> Okay.

575
00:26:38,000 --> 00:26:40,080
» Any other questions?

576
00:26:40,080 --> 00:26:42,640
>> So, just for a little clarity on this,

577
00:26:42,640 --> 00:26:46,720
so the third party inspector

578
00:26:46,720 --> 00:26:51,200
charges the applicant. So, and when when

579
00:26:51,200 --> 00:26:53,919
this gentleman's under his $35,000

580
00:26:53,919 --> 00:26:56,960
threshold, then that money comes into

581
00:26:56,960 --> 00:26:59,120
the city as revenue. Correct.

582
00:26:59,120 --> 00:27:00,320
>> Or how does this work?

583
00:27:00,320 --> 00:27:02,880
>> The application fee goes to the city for

584
00:27:02,880 --> 00:27:04,799
the Yes.

585
00:27:04,799 --> 00:27:07,760
>> And when we have to outsource it,

586
00:27:07,760 --> 00:27:10,080
whoever we outsource it to,

587
00:27:10,080 --> 00:27:12,320
>> so when we do outsource it, inspection

588
00:27:12,320 --> 00:27:16,640
fees on the charged. Mhm.

589
00:27:16,640 --> 00:27:18,480
>> So the city does not charge when we're

590
00:27:18,480 --> 00:27:19,919
outsourcing it to the third parties

591
00:27:19,919 --> 00:27:22,559
directly, we do not charge a home owner

592
00:27:22,559 --> 00:27:24,480
or the contractor fee. Correct.

593
00:27:24,480 --> 00:27:26,640
>> So that fee is paid directly

594
00:27:26,640 --> 00:27:28,640
>> to the third party. Yes. So we don't

595
00:27:28,640 --> 00:27:30,000
generate no revenue.

596
00:27:30,000 --> 00:27:30,559
>> Yes. Correct.

597
00:27:30,559 --> 00:27:33,120
>> To offset that electrical inspection.

598
00:27:33,120 --> 00:27:34,400
>> Correct.

599
00:27:34,400 --> 00:27:36,240
>> You see permit people do that

600
00:27:36,240 --> 00:27:36,640
inspection.

601
00:27:36,640 --> 00:27:37,600
>> That's what I'm saying. That's why I

602
00:27:37,600 --> 00:27:38,960
want to ask a question. People are still

603
00:27:38,960 --> 00:27:41,120
paying a fee

604
00:27:41,120 --> 00:27:43,840
for electrical permit.

605
00:27:43,840 --> 00:27:47,039
If we so if we're collecting a fee for

606
00:27:47,039 --> 00:27:49,760
that electrical permit then why do we

607
00:27:49,760 --> 00:27:51,520
then why do they have to pay in a third

608
00:27:51,520 --> 00:27:53,440
party they're double paying for the

609
00:27:53,440 --> 00:27:55,520
service same service

610
00:27:55,520 --> 00:27:57,679
>> they won't if we've paid if they paid

611
00:27:57,679 --> 00:27:59,840
the city for that there's some reason to

612
00:27:59,840 --> 00:28:03,360
transition where the MDI was billing the

613
00:28:03,360 --> 00:28:05,600
city for the work that they were

614
00:28:05,600 --> 00:28:07,120
providing

615
00:28:07,120 --> 00:28:08,799
>> so then why are we charging an amount of

616
00:28:08,799 --> 00:28:11,520
efficiency when they have to go to put

617
00:28:11,520 --> 00:28:14,480
the party admin to work.

618
00:28:14,480 --> 00:28:17,120
>> You have to pay the permit fee no matter

619
00:28:17,120 --> 00:28:19,679
what to give it to the department.

620
00:28:19,679 --> 00:28:22,880
>> If you

621
00:28:22,880 --> 00:28:25,200
pay the inspector directly, you don't

622
00:28:25,200 --> 00:28:29,679
pay the city. If it's build to the city,

623
00:28:29,679 --> 00:28:32,000
then they're paying at the city. So,

624
00:28:32,000 --> 00:28:34,640
we're paying MDI.

625
00:28:34,640 --> 00:28:36,960
>> So, a a homeowner can go directly to

626
00:28:36,960 --> 00:28:40,240
this agency for the permit for the

627
00:28:40,240 --> 00:28:41,200
inspection.

628
00:28:41,200 --> 00:28:42,880
>> An inspection, not a permit. not the

629
00:28:42,880 --> 00:28:44,880
permit. Now, I'm trying to get to the

630
00:28:44,880 --> 00:28:47,520
fee because people are being charged for

631
00:28:47,520 --> 00:28:49,440
the application,

632
00:28:49,440 --> 00:28:51,360
the permit fees, whatever we want to

633
00:28:51,360 --> 00:28:52,640
call it, and then they're being they

634
00:28:52,640 --> 00:28:56,559
have to pay the third party also.

635
00:28:56,559 --> 00:28:59,200
So, there are inspection fees that would

636
00:28:59,200 --> 00:29:00,480
when the city's handling the

637
00:29:00,480 --> 00:29:03,039
inspections, there are inspection fees

638
00:29:03,039 --> 00:29:06,000
that are included.

639
00:29:06,000 --> 00:29:07,919
They're above and beyond the permit fee,

640
00:29:07,919 --> 00:29:11,360
the application fee, if you will. uh

641
00:29:11,360 --> 00:29:16,559
application fee and the permit fee are separate from the inspection fee.

642
00:29:16,559 --> 00:29:18,320
>> So we're saying that we only charge in

643
00:29:18,320 --> 00:29:19,919
the application fee.

644
00:29:19,919 --> 00:29:20,880
>> Yes.

645
00:29:20,880 --> 00:29:23,039
>> And not the the the fee associated with

646
00:29:23,039 --> 00:29:25,840
the work what we call cost of work fee

647
00:29:25,840 --> 00:29:27,919
and then the rest go to the third party.

648
00:29:27,919 --> 00:29:29,600
So the third party is charging for the

649
00:29:29,600 --> 00:29:31,600
cost of work and we just charging for

650
00:29:31,600 --> 00:29:33,600
the application fee. That's 75 whatever

651
00:29:33,600 --> 00:29:36,399
that fee is. I think it's more than that

652
00:29:36,399 --> 00:29:37,039
>> 75

653
00:29:37,039 --> 00:29:39,840
>> $75. So if I were to come to pull a

654
00:29:39,840 --> 00:29:41,840
permit for electrical permit to the

655
00:29:41,840 --> 00:29:43,840
city, I'm paying $75.

656
00:29:43,840 --> 00:29:44,399
>> Yes, sir.

657
00:29:44,399 --> 00:29:46,960
>> And then the third party, I have to pay

658
00:29:46,960 --> 00:29:49,360
the third party for whatever inspection.

659
00:29:49,360 --> 00:29:49,760
>> Yes, sir.

660
00:29:49,760 --> 00:29:51,600
>> Should be careful at that premises.

661
00:29:51,600 --> 00:29:52,640
>> Yes, sir.

662
00:29:52,640 --> 00:29:53,760
>> If there's something you think is

663
00:29:53,760 --> 00:29:55,679
inconsistent with that,

664
00:29:55,679 --> 00:29:57,600
>> I will I I'm going to ask for a report

665
00:29:57,600 --> 00:29:59,440
on that because I've been getting a lot

666
00:29:59,440 --> 00:30:01,360
of complaint about people are paying the

667
00:30:01,360 --> 00:30:04,799
city. I want to verify, but since we're

668
00:30:04,799 --> 00:30:06,080
talking about it, I was going to bring

669
00:30:06,080 --> 00:30:07,760
it up. I was going to put it in the

670
00:30:07,760 --> 00:30:10,880
document here to send my question in. I

671
00:30:10,880 --> 00:30:12,480
wanted to see that how much in the last

672
00:30:12,480 --> 00:30:15,200
6 months or a year, how much 6 months,

673
00:30:15,200 --> 00:30:17,440
this only happened a couple months ago.

674
00:30:17,440 --> 00:30:19,600
How much homeowner or contractor have

675
00:30:19,600 --> 00:30:22,240
been paid to the city for electrical

676
00:30:22,240 --> 00:30:26,080
work, the cost of work and application

677
00:30:26,080 --> 00:30:29,279
fee and how much was paid

678
00:30:29,279 --> 00:30:30,880
or how much work was done by the third

679
00:30:30,880 --> 00:30:33,200
party. Okay,

680
00:30:33,200 --> 00:30:36,640
go ahead, please. And so

681
00:30:36,640 --> 00:30:40,880
and my original qu earlier question was

682
00:30:40,880 --> 00:30:43,919
do we pay out of fees for service to

683
00:30:43,919 --> 00:30:46,000
that third party and you were saying he

684
00:30:46,000 --> 00:30:48,080
said no we don't pay out of service for

685
00:30:48,080 --> 00:30:52,799
the um for the third party. So my

686
00:30:52,799 --> 00:30:54,960
question is if but the mayor was saying

687
00:30:54,960 --> 00:30:58,399
that this third party will will build

688
00:30:58,399 --> 00:31:01,520
city right they bill us but so if

689
00:31:01,520 --> 00:31:03,440
they're billing us my question is if

690
00:31:03,440 --> 00:31:05,440
they're billing us for providing a

691
00:31:05,440 --> 00:31:08,240
service and then we're paying them for

692
00:31:08,240 --> 00:31:10,720
the service but then the home the

693
00:31:10,720 --> 00:31:12,880
homeowner or contractor is also paying

694
00:31:12,880 --> 00:31:15,039
them. That's that's what I'm trying to

695
00:31:15,039 --> 00:31:17,360
that's where it's just you know and I

696
00:31:17,360 --> 00:31:18,640
have a pretty limited scope here so

697
00:31:18,640 --> 00:31:19,840
that's why I'm asking these questions. I

698
00:31:19,840 --> 00:31:22,799
appreciate you coming.

699
00:31:22,799 --> 00:31:24,480
transition when he went from being a

700
00:31:24,480 --> 00:31:26,240
city employee who can no longer work

701
00:31:26,240 --> 00:31:28,480
here to keep him because of his skill.

702
00:31:28,480 --> 00:31:30,000
>> That makes sense, right?

703
00:31:30,000 --> 00:31:32,559
>> So there was some in the middle there

704
00:31:32,559 --> 00:31:34,080
where

705
00:31:34,080 --> 00:31:37,519
he started some some of the inspections

706
00:31:37,519 --> 00:31:40,399
are more simple

707
00:31:40,399 --> 00:31:43,200
>> like one inspection other projects where

708
00:31:43,200 --> 00:31:46,559
it may be multiple inspections.

709
00:31:46,559 --> 00:31:48,720
So for instance, there was a a

710
00:31:48,720 --> 00:31:50,960
transition period

711
00:31:50,960 --> 00:31:54,399
said um where there was open permits and

712
00:31:54,399 --> 00:31:56,960
fees were already paid to the city.

713
00:31:56,960 --> 00:32:01,760
Okay. And uh so to close those out um of

714
00:32:01,760 --> 00:32:03,360
course the third party firm wasn't

715
00:32:03,360 --> 00:32:06,960
getting paid. So, um, until those

716
00:32:06,960 --> 00:32:08,399
permits were closed out, and they were

717
00:32:08,399 --> 00:32:10,480
all new permits where we didn't charge

718
00:32:10,480 --> 00:32:13,840
these inspection fees,

719
00:32:13,840 --> 00:32:16,320
we were paying fees for services in the

720
00:32:16,320 --> 00:32:19,679
beginning of the transition period. Now,

721
00:32:19,679 --> 00:32:22,159
when that work was closed out and now

722
00:32:22,159 --> 00:32:23,840
these are new permits without us

723
00:32:23,840 --> 00:32:26,960
charging inspection fees, uh, we are not

724
00:32:26,960 --> 00:32:30,720
paying for MDI main service. They are

725
00:32:30,720 --> 00:32:32,320
the applicant is paying for their

726
00:32:32,320 --> 00:32:34,559
inspections and they do not charge the

727
00:32:34,559 --> 00:32:36,480
city for that. The applicants are paying

728
00:32:36,480 --> 00:32:39,600
for their inspections similar to them

729
00:32:39,600 --> 00:32:41,120
paying the city

730
00:32:41,120 --> 00:32:47,760
>> and the applicants are paying the same uh I guess it would be on the

731
00:32:47,760 --> 00:32:50,480
same pricing scale that the city uses.

732
00:32:50,480 --> 00:32:52,880
>> It's very similar. Okay. The bottom line

733
00:32:52,880 --> 00:32:55,120
would be very similar

734
00:32:55,120 --> 00:32:57,360
>> to the applicant.

735
00:32:57,360 --> 00:32:59,679
So you you mentioned just that we had in

736
00:32:59,679 --> 00:33:01,279
this transition happened that there were

737
00:33:01,279 --> 00:33:04,720
some old permits that the

738
00:33:04,720 --> 00:33:06,960
homeowner or the contractor paid to get

739
00:33:06,960 --> 00:33:08,799
this work done but we could have done

740
00:33:08,799 --> 00:33:10,880
the inspection in house. So we had to

741
00:33:10,880 --> 00:33:13,440
refer them to the third party. So since

742
00:33:13,440 --> 00:33:15,679
that happened we reimburse them for the

743
00:33:15,679 --> 00:33:18,480
cost of work fee not the application fee

744
00:33:18,480 --> 00:33:19,679
the cost of work fee because they have

745
00:33:19,679 --> 00:33:23,200
to hire the tour party. I don't think

746
00:33:23,200 --> 00:33:25,679
anybody hired somebody.

747
00:33:25,679 --> 00:33:27,039
>> We have open permits that was just

748
00:33:27,039 --> 00:33:28,320
mentioned.

749
00:33:28,320 --> 00:33:31,760
>> It's not old. They're open permits.

750
00:33:31,760 --> 00:33:33,919
>> So the open permits they didn't pay

751
00:33:33,919 --> 00:33:36,799
twice. So they didn't have to pay NBIA

752
00:33:36,799 --> 00:33:43,669
for that.

753
00:33:43,679 --> 00:33:46,960
» There's some questions. May I I I reach

754
00:33:46,960 --> 00:33:48,640
out to you and the several of the

755
00:33:48,640 --> 00:33:50,320
contractor wanted a meeting with you and

756
00:33:50,320 --> 00:33:52,000
you says no

757
00:33:52,000 --> 00:33:53,840
>> and that's why I'm bringing this up and

758
00:33:53,840 --> 00:33:56,000
I I you know I'm vocal about this

759
00:33:56,000 --> 00:33:56,880
department and things like that.

760
00:33:56,880 --> 00:33:59,200
>> So you got to give me specifics.

761
00:33:59,200 --> 00:34:01,039
>> I did give you specific and they asked

762
00:34:01,039 --> 00:34:04,960
to meet with you and you says no.

763
00:34:04,960 --> 00:34:07,679
>> Are there any other questions? Go ahead.

764
00:34:07,679 --> 00:34:09,359
>> So just be I just want to get clear

765
00:34:09,359 --> 00:34:10,240
because they keep talking about the

766
00:34:10,240 --> 00:34:13,359
different ones. So 88 8664404

767
00:34:13,359 --> 00:34:17,440
fat fee for services is MDIA.

768
00:34:17,440 --> 00:34:19,040
>> Um

769
00:34:19,040 --> 00:34:22,800
so it is not MDIA. So fees for service

770
00:34:22,800 --> 00:34:27,200
is services code enforcement uses. Um it

771
00:34:27,200 --> 00:34:32,000
could be um an engineering firm. It's um

772
00:34:32,000 --> 00:34:37,119
it's our process server for uh serving

773
00:34:37,119 --> 00:34:39,679
uh

774
00:34:39,679 --> 00:34:41,679
for

775
00:34:41,679 --> 00:34:45,679
uh appearance tickets. It is um car

776
00:34:45,679 --> 00:34:48,560
washes for that matter. It is uh it's

777
00:34:48,560 --> 00:34:50,560
fees for service in general. We use it

778
00:34:50,560 --> 00:34:54,399
for any fees for services in code

779
00:34:54,399 --> 00:34:56,079
enforcement.

780
00:34:56,079 --> 00:34:57,599
>> So where are they being paid for? Go

781
00:34:57,599 --> 00:35:07,829
ahead. You got it. I do um on back up on

782
00:35:07,839 --> 00:35:10,400
» code enforcement clerk. So that's a

783
00:35:10,400 --> 00:35:12,640
position that's been going to be.

784
00:35:12,640 --> 00:35:14,400
>> I'm proposing to make that position.

785
00:35:14,400 --> 00:35:20,310
>> Okay. I'm sorry. Probably said that

786
00:35:20,320 --> 00:35:22,880
» are any other questions?

787
00:35:22,880 --> 00:35:25,520
>> Go ahead, please. So um you're you're

788
00:35:25,520 --> 00:35:27,359
voting for eliminate what what are the

789
00:35:27,359 --> 00:35:29,200
first of all is it currently filled?

790
00:35:29,200 --> 00:35:30,640
>> It's not.

791
00:35:30,640 --> 00:35:32,480
>> And what are the responsibilities of

792
00:35:32,480 --> 00:35:33,920
that particular position?

793
00:35:33,920 --> 00:35:36,720
>> So it's a very entry level position.

794
00:35:36,720 --> 00:35:38,960
It's uh

795
00:35:38,960 --> 00:35:43,119
virtually answering phones and five

796
00:35:43,119 --> 00:35:44,720
>> all important tests.

797
00:35:44,720 --> 00:35:45,599
>> Yes.

798
00:35:45,599 --> 00:35:48,790
>> So

799
00:35:48,800 --> 00:35:50,960
where is that work being current if it's

800
00:35:50,960 --> 00:35:53,280
not filled in yet? So that work is being

801
00:35:53,280 --> 00:35:55,359
done by one of the other uh positions

802
00:35:55,359 --> 00:35:57,680
that we currently have built.

803
00:35:57,680 --> 00:35:59,920
>> It's being split up amongst

804
00:35:59,920 --> 00:36:05,030
administrative staff.

805
00:36:05,040 --> 00:36:07,760
» So in the last budget, was there

806
00:36:07,760 --> 00:36:10,079
somebody in that position last year?

807
00:36:10,079 --> 00:36:11,839
>> Um

808
00:36:11,839 --> 00:36:15,040
there was. I don't remember the

809
00:36:15,040 --> 00:36:17,599
chronology of what happened with that

810
00:36:17,599 --> 00:36:21,680
position. We did hire um this year and

811
00:36:21,680 --> 00:36:25,200
we had that position filled briefly and

812
00:36:25,200 --> 00:36:33,349
that person uh is now an IPS3 position.

813
00:36:33,359 --> 00:36:38,079
» So where does MDI get paid from?

814
00:36:38,079 --> 00:36:40,960
>> Where where does MDIA get paid from? So

815
00:36:40,960 --> 00:36:43,760
in the brief transition they got paid

816
00:36:43,760 --> 00:36:46,480
from they are getting paid I I believe

817
00:36:46,480 --> 00:36:48,960
this will be the last uh invoice that we

818
00:36:48,960 --> 00:36:51,119
receive from them uh from fees for

819
00:36:51,119 --> 00:36:53,359
service

820
00:36:53,359 --> 00:36:57,200
but that line doesn't belong to MDIA

821
00:36:57,200 --> 00:36:58,320
>> it's annual fees

822
00:36:58,320 --> 00:37:03,030
>> it's for many different services

823
00:37:03,040 --> 00:37:05,119
» so there's a breakdown of what MBA gets

824
00:37:05,119 --> 00:37:07,839
in the car washes so there's a breakdown

825
00:37:07,839 --> 00:37:10,320
what's paid out that line

826
00:37:10,320 --> 00:37:13,599
find that out.

827
00:37:13,599 --> 00:37:17,190
>> Yes,

828
00:37:17,200 --> 00:37:19,520
I do have one more question. So the in

829
00:37:19,520 --> 00:37:22,880
so you also um in full processing

830
00:37:22,880 --> 00:37:25,440
special you had two now you're going

831
00:37:25,440 --> 00:37:27,200
down to one.

832
00:37:27,200 --> 00:37:29,839
>> Um yes

833
00:37:29,839 --> 00:37:34,000
proposing to uh turn one into an IPS

834
00:37:34,000 --> 00:37:38,069
board.

835
00:37:38,079 --> 00:37:41,200
» Okay. So going from one IPS4 to two.

836
00:37:41,200 --> 00:37:41,680
>> Yes.

837
00:37:41,680 --> 00:37:46,310
>> Okay. Thank you.

838
00:37:46,320 --> 00:37:49,599
» Are there any other questions?

839
00:37:49,599 --> 00:37:51,680
>> Seeing none. Thank you so much. Have a

840
00:37:51,680 --> 00:38:28,150
good night.

841
00:38:28,160 --> 00:38:31,520
Okay, let's do central data processing

842
00:38:31,520 --> 00:38:34,000
page 28 and then we'll do some

843
00:38:34,000 --> 00:38:38,390
engineering

844
00:38:38,400 --> 00:38:57,430
that is page 28 sections.

845
00:38:57,440 --> 00:39:01,599
Central process page 28 1680 uh

846
00:39:01,599 --> 00:39:05,119
totalations increased by 8.267 267

847
00:39:05,119 --> 00:39:06,640
835,000

848
00:39:06,640 --> 00:39:10,400
to 93,000 approximately a 69,000

849
00:39:10,400 --> 00:39:19,190
increase

850
00:39:19,200 --> 00:39:22,790
see

851
00:39:22,800 --> 00:39:26,000
anything about open for questions.

852
00:39:26,000 --> 00:39:29,040
>> Okay. Uh yes. So most of these increases

853
00:39:29,040 --> 00:39:34,800
we have is from u input services. We u

854
00:39:34,800 --> 00:39:37,440
consolidated some of the line items

855
00:39:37,440 --> 00:39:41,839
which was uh in different department

856
00:39:41,839 --> 00:39:44,560
you know it fix you know website

857
00:39:44,560 --> 00:39:47,680
management and all those things were

858
00:39:47,680 --> 00:39:50,480
from different departments and equipment

859
00:39:50,480 --> 00:39:55,440
also. Uh so they put that in my budget.

860
00:39:55,440 --> 00:40:02,870
So that's on the amount of

861
00:40:02,880 --> 00:40:04,160
» question. Go ahead please.

862
00:40:04,160 --> 00:40:06,400
>> Yes. So under the administrative

863
00:40:06,400 --> 00:40:10,079
salaries 81680.

864
00:40:10,079 --> 00:40:12,800
So we've had an IT specialist web master

865
00:40:12,800 --> 00:40:14,400
and now they're being moved to the

866
00:40:14,400 --> 00:40:16,480
junior network administrator. So looks

867
00:40:16,480 --> 00:40:19,599
like done done away with that one on the

868
00:40:19,599 --> 00:40:22,480
web master added the administrator at

869
00:40:22,480 --> 00:40:25,599
the same salary.

870
00:40:25,599 --> 00:40:29,040
Yeah. So what happened was the IT web

871
00:40:29,040 --> 00:40:30,880
master person was there but the

872
00:40:30,880 --> 00:40:32,800
individual

873
00:40:32,800 --> 00:40:35,599
needs to take the exam. So civil service

874
00:40:35,599 --> 00:40:38,400
asked us to drop him down or put other

875
00:40:38,400 --> 00:40:41,359
position. So we made him a PC support

876
00:40:41,359 --> 00:40:43,280
specialist.

877
00:40:43,280 --> 00:40:45,680
But this individual has a higher skill

878
00:40:45,680 --> 00:40:48,640
on that. So I'm trying to bring another

879
00:40:48,640 --> 00:40:52,000
position again in next year at a little

880
00:40:52,000 --> 00:40:56,079
bit higher value than 50 supports.

881
00:40:56,079 --> 00:40:57,520
>> So are you saying that you're moving

882
00:40:57,520 --> 00:40:59,119
them to the junior network administrator

883
00:40:59,119 --> 00:40:59,839
that would

884
00:40:59,839 --> 00:41:00,400
>> Yeah.

885
00:41:00,400 --> 00:41:02,160
>> However, there's no increase in salary

886
00:41:02,160 --> 00:41:03,680
that individual.

887
00:41:03,680 --> 00:41:08,079
>> Um yeah, I do see that. So um a little

888
00:41:08,079 --> 00:41:12,240
bit increase on that. So if we can

889
00:41:12,240 --> 00:41:15,280
increase the 5 grand difference of the

890
00:41:15,280 --> 00:41:24,870
support to this big

891
00:41:24,880 --> 00:41:30,240
so they're currently support

892
00:41:30,240 --> 00:41:32,960
um so they will be receiving an increase

893
00:41:32,960 --> 00:41:34,880
the junior network administrator

894
00:41:34,880 --> 00:41:37,520
position of 66,950

895
00:41:37,520 --> 00:41:40,000
that we divide that will be subed by the

896
00:41:40,000 --> 00:41:42,240
It's less than that for the

897
00:41:42,240 --> 00:41:49,510
administrator.

898
00:41:49,520 --> 00:41:51,520
» Yeah. Sorry. Please.

899
00:41:51,520 --> 00:41:54,400
>> So you talked about how you are reducing

900
00:41:54,400 --> 00:41:58,480
or adjusting this role within your

901
00:41:58,480 --> 00:42:01,119
department and the way in which you did

902
00:42:01,119 --> 00:42:04,240
that. Just a clear question of can you

903
00:42:04,240 --> 00:42:05,839
talk about HR's involvement in that

904
00:42:05,839 --> 00:42:08,240
process or are these sincerely just your

905
00:42:08,240 --> 00:42:09,599
internal recommendations of how to

906
00:42:09,599 --> 00:42:12,400
capture their skill set at the right

907
00:42:12,400 --> 00:42:13,839
conversation level?

908
00:42:13,839 --> 00:42:16,720
>> Yeah. Yeah. So actually we had three

909
00:42:16,720 --> 00:42:19,680
position before with the PC list and one

910
00:42:19,680 --> 00:42:24,160
with the IP master uh which was in early

911
00:42:24,160 --> 00:42:25,680
2024.

912
00:42:25,680 --> 00:42:27,839
That position was there but individual

913
00:42:27,839 --> 00:42:30,240
left position in the middle of the year.

914
00:42:30,240 --> 00:42:32,240
So I have

915
00:42:32,240 --> 00:42:34,880
an individual from that position. He had

916
00:42:34,880 --> 00:42:37,440
that skill set to do it.

917
00:42:37,440 --> 00:42:39,920
>> Uh but he was supposed to take the civil

918
00:42:39,920 --> 00:42:43,280
service exam which missed. So we had the

919
00:42:43,280 --> 00:42:46,000
letter from service to drop him off on

920
00:42:46,000 --> 00:42:49,359
the we had to take him off and put him

921
00:42:49,359 --> 00:42:52,319
on the PC support because there was

922
00:42:52,319 --> 00:42:55,839
position at the time. So uh this year I

923
00:42:55,839 --> 00:42:59,040
managed to fit that position PC support

924
00:42:59,040 --> 00:43:00,880
uh three right now there are four

925
00:43:00,880 --> 00:43:03,280
individual on that I'm going to move

926
00:43:03,280 --> 00:43:08,630
that individual to this uh new position.

927
00:43:08,640 --> 00:43:11,119
» Okay. Um

928
00:43:11,119 --> 00:43:12,960
the stipen

929
00:43:12,960 --> 00:43:15,359
for 300 proposed it hasn't been proposed

930
00:43:15,359 --> 00:43:19,119
be hasn't been before. Is that for you

931
00:43:19,119 --> 00:43:20,480
getting up in the middle of the night

932
00:43:20,480 --> 00:43:23,359
and going to computer to save us?

933
00:43:23,359 --> 00:43:26,480
rightfully so.

934
00:43:26,480 --> 00:43:28,079
>> Would that be pay for you? That's

935
00:43:28,079 --> 00:43:32,230
>> lucky.

936
00:43:32,240 --> 00:43:36,640
I believe that is for um the uh the

937
00:43:36,640 --> 00:43:38,640
chief technology officer.

938
00:43:38,640 --> 00:43:43,160
>> Okay.

939
00:43:43,170 --> 00:43:47,670
[Laughter]

940
00:43:47,680 --> 00:43:49,839
Um I'm just asking because the

941
00:43:49,839 --> 00:43:51,599
assessment was just here and you know

942
00:43:51,599 --> 00:43:55,200
last year we had um allocated $60,000 to

943
00:43:55,200 --> 00:43:57,280
upgrade all the machines and how are you

944
00:43:57,280 --> 00:43:58,960
with that in terms of upgrading all the

945
00:43:58,960 --> 00:44:01,280
machine across all the departments.

946
00:44:01,280 --> 00:44:03,920
>> Yeah, I appreciate you giving that

947
00:44:03,920 --> 00:44:08,560
helped a lot. So we are 60 70% done

948
00:44:08,560 --> 00:44:11,839
replacing the machine and because of

949
00:44:11,839 --> 00:44:14,400
that like we don't have the

950
00:44:14,400 --> 00:44:18,079
like in all staff and you know like I

951
00:44:18,079 --> 00:44:20,720
how it works you know like there is not

952
00:44:20,720 --> 00:44:23,040
enough time every day to do you know

953
00:44:23,040 --> 00:44:25,040
like sometime we go do sometime

954
00:44:25,040 --> 00:44:27,520
something comes up right so because my

955
00:44:27,520 --> 00:44:30,560
guys uh you know still try to you know

956
00:44:30,560 --> 00:44:33,359
accomplish school job so we have 70%

957
00:44:33,359 --> 00:44:35,760
down And

958
00:44:35,760 --> 00:44:39,359
>> yeah, but uh the funding you allocated

959
00:44:39,359 --> 00:44:41,520
that will suffice to replace all those

960
00:44:41,520 --> 00:44:43,440
machines we which we talked about

961
00:44:43,440 --> 00:44:45,280
>> and your pace to get that done.

962
00:44:45,280 --> 00:44:45,520
>> Yes.

963
00:44:45,520 --> 00:44:46,800
>> Before the end of this year.

964
00:44:46,800 --> 00:44:48,400
>> Uh before end of this month.

965
00:44:48,400 --> 00:44:50,400
>> End of this month.

966
00:44:50,400 --> 00:44:51,119
>> Yes.

967
00:44:51,119 --> 00:44:52,560
>> Please. Yeah.

968
00:44:52,560 --> 00:44:54,160
>> It's good that we have updated

969
00:44:54,160 --> 00:44:56,400
technology because cyber security and

970
00:44:56,400 --> 00:44:58,720
things that mean it's good to have that

971
00:44:58,720 --> 00:45:00,160
know.

972
00:45:00,160 --> 00:45:03,520
>> Yeah. Yeah. That helped a lot. Go ahead,

973
00:45:03,520 --> 00:45:04,160
please.

974
00:45:04,160 --> 00:45:05,839
>> So, the largest budget line, and if you

975
00:45:05,839 --> 00:45:07,680
said this at night, I'm sorry. Your

976
00:45:07,680 --> 00:45:10,640
largest budget line is A16804

977
00:45:10,640 --> 00:45:11,920
fees for service.

978
00:45:11,920 --> 00:45:13,599
>> That's your largest budget line, and

979
00:45:13,599 --> 00:45:15,520
there's been somewhat of an increase

980
00:45:15,520 --> 00:45:16,560
there.

981
00:45:16,560 --> 00:45:18,880
>> Yeah. Yeah. From those increase mostly,

982
00:45:18,880 --> 00:45:23,440
you know, like I said, you know, the the budget line was in different

983
00:45:23,440 --> 00:45:25,680
department before.

984
00:45:25,680 --> 00:45:27,359
>> It is it is in here.

985
00:45:27,359 --> 00:45:29,200
>> So, like

986
00:45:29,200 --> 00:45:31,200
fix the you know.

987
00:45:31,200 --> 00:45:34,319
>> Okay. CD plus for the websites and also

988
00:45:34,319 --> 00:45:36,560
we got this mobile device management

989
00:45:36,560 --> 00:45:39,920
which is uh for the protection of the

990
00:45:39,920 --> 00:45:42,319
you know mobile devices within our

991
00:45:42,319 --> 00:45:44,720
organization cell phone or tablets those

992
00:45:44,720 --> 00:45:49,040
things so that we done this year that is

993
00:45:49,040 --> 00:45:51,359
also in that

994
00:45:51,359 --> 00:45:53,520
>> and also

995
00:45:53,520 --> 00:45:55,920
solution which is also

996
00:45:55,920 --> 00:45:56,880
>> I'm sorry what was that

997
00:45:56,880 --> 00:45:59,760
>> email filtering solution

998
00:45:59,760 --> 00:46:02,079
you know spam filtering

999
00:46:02,079 --> 00:46:04,720
those things we miss.

1000
00:46:04,720 --> 00:46:07,520
>> Thank you.

1001
00:46:07,520 --> 00:46:10,319
>> Are there any other questions?

1002
00:46:10,319 --> 00:46:13,839
>> You know, thank you for doing

1003
00:46:13,839 --> 00:46:16,240
keep us safe.

1004
00:46:16,240 --> 00:46:18,079
>> All right,

1005
00:46:18,079 --> 00:46:31,030
Mr. Wallen.

1006
00:46:31,040 --> 00:46:33,920
And that will be

1007
00:46:33,920 --> 00:46:36,240
page 22

1008
00:46:36,240 --> 00:46:41,510
public

1009
00:46:41,520 --> 00:46:44,400
increase 549%

1010
00:46:44,400 --> 00:46:48,950
9125,000

1011
00:46:48,960 --> 00:46:52,240
34 745.

1012
00:46:52,240 --> 00:46:53,760
Oh,

1013
00:46:53,760 --> 00:46:55,040
thank you for bringing that to my

1014
00:46:55,040 --> 00:47:04,950
attention. Capital

1015
00:47:04,960 --> 00:47:08,069
» um

1016
00:47:08,079 --> 00:47:13,109
so it utility.

1017
00:47:13,119 --> 00:47:15,200
» So if you can just walk us uh through

1018
00:47:15,200 --> 00:47:18,079
that is the capital budget your um

1019
00:47:18,079 --> 00:47:20,640
utilities and IT.

1020
00:47:20,640 --> 00:47:23,200
Uh, sorry.

1021
00:47:23,200 --> 00:47:25,599
>> I don't want to

1022
00:47:25,599 --> 00:47:28,400
>> It's on page 91

1023
00:47:28,400 --> 00:47:29,680
>> under capital budget.

1024
00:47:29,680 --> 00:47:31,440
>> That's all for utility.

1025
00:47:31,440 --> 00:47:32,960
>> Oh, that's for utilities. Okay. So, then

1026
00:47:32,960 --> 00:47:34,960
you're good. You're good.

1027
00:47:34,960 --> 00:47:39,030
>> We'll get you.

1028
00:47:39,040 --> 00:47:47,510
» All right. Sorry for that.

1029
00:47:47,520 --> 00:47:50,960
» Page 22.

1030
00:47:50,960 --> 00:47:52,720
Commissioner

1031
00:47:52,720 --> 00:47:54,480
Department and then we'll handle work.

1032
00:47:54,480 --> 00:47:58,800
So that's a and a brief

1033
00:47:58,800 --> 00:48:02,630
40 public works

1034
00:48:02,640 --> 00:48:06,480
approximately a $35,000 increase.

1035
00:48:06,480 --> 00:48:07,760
>> All right. Since you have multiple

1036
00:48:07,760 --> 00:48:09,119
departments here, we'll just go through

1037
00:48:09,119 --> 00:48:11,359
them individually. Um public works

1038
00:48:11,359 --> 00:48:12,800
admin, you want to walk us through

1039
00:48:12,800 --> 00:48:14,960
there. Anything that significant change

1040
00:48:14,960 --> 00:48:17,280
or increase that we need to know about?

1041
00:48:17,280 --> 00:48:20,079
No. Uh so I have two IPS in my

1042
00:48:20,079 --> 00:48:21,760
department or myself. So what I gave out

1043
00:48:21,760 --> 00:48:23,520
was it's a budget package. I put it

1044
00:48:23,520 --> 00:48:26,079
together this summary of the department

1045
00:48:26,079 --> 00:48:29,760
how it made up that over here in of the

1046
00:48:29,760 --> 00:48:32,559
presentation. Um so in this there isn't

1047
00:48:32,559 --> 00:48:34,720
any I went through it before there isn't

1048
00:48:34,720 --> 00:48:38,400
any changes uh in 1440

1049
00:48:38,400 --> 00:48:41,359
above what I had proposed originally but

1050
00:48:41,359 --> 00:48:42,880
I don't see anything there. if there's

1051
00:48:42,880 --> 00:48:44,240
any questions. So I can just tell you

1052
00:48:44,240 --> 00:48:46,319
that uh

1053
00:48:46,319 --> 00:48:50,319
1448 are the two texts I have IPS's and

1054
00:48:50,319 --> 00:48:52,640
we have our longevity and we go through

1055
00:48:52,640 --> 00:48:56,880
uh as we get into the uh 401 400 items

1056
00:48:56,880 --> 00:48:58,800
that are posted we still have some

1057
00:48:58,800 --> 00:49:00,240
posted it's not as much as you used to

1058
00:49:00,240 --> 00:49:02,960
be everything being digital uh

1059
00:49:02,960 --> 00:49:04,880
administrative expenses those are my

1060
00:49:04,880 --> 00:49:06,640
license renewals and I go to a

1061
00:49:06,640 --> 00:49:09,200
conference every year at Nikcom so we do

1062
00:49:09,200 --> 00:49:10,319
pay for that through there it's

1063
00:49:10,319 --> 00:49:12,720
relatively uh affordable conference

1064
00:49:12,720 --> 00:49:16,000
And then what we have is leases, Xerox,

1065
00:49:16,000 --> 00:49:19,359
RGis, civil 3D. So those leases that we

1066
00:49:19,359 --> 00:49:21,839
have under the fees for services. Then I

1067
00:49:21,839 --> 00:49:24,640
have uh city phone expense, uh supplies,

1068
00:49:24,640 --> 00:49:26,240
which boil down really department

1069
00:49:26,240 --> 00:49:28,800
overhead, paper, pens, $1,200, and then

1070
00:49:28,800 --> 00:49:30,319
maintenance contracts. And maintenance

1071
00:49:30,319 --> 00:49:32,240
contracts are actually city contracts

1072
00:49:32,240 --> 00:49:34,960
that are paid for. So we have anou with

1073
00:49:34,960 --> 00:49:38,640
the CDTA for $25,000 for ride share. We

1074
00:49:38,640 --> 00:49:41,280
have an easement with Amtrak uh for

1075
00:49:41,280 --> 00:49:43,839
public infrastructure and we have

1076
00:49:43,839 --> 00:49:45,839
infrastructure. We have DOT attraction

1077
00:49:45,839 --> 00:49:48,319
signs if you see on 890 say welcome

1078
00:49:48,319 --> 00:49:50,480
Central Park and then we have an

1079
00:49:50,480 --> 00:49:53,760
agreement with CPU rail um for the

1080
00:49:53,760 --> 00:49:57,119
lights on the bridge over. So that's all

1081
00:49:57,119 --> 00:49:59,280
in there. Those are all um those are all

1082
00:49:59,280 --> 00:50:01,599
kind of contractual in that paid for it

1083
00:50:01,599 --> 00:50:09,040
out of there. So 1440 is pretty much tax not

1084
00:50:09,040 --> 00:50:11,040
>> any questions on on this section. Go

1085
00:50:11,040 --> 00:50:11,920
ahead please.

1086
00:50:11,920 --> 00:50:17,680
>> Um under uh administration 144100 info

1087
00:50:17,680 --> 00:50:20,640
processing soft three. So there's like a

1088
00:50:20,640 --> 00:50:24,960
22% raise. Is that $10,000?

1089
00:50:24,960 --> 00:50:27,839
>> Okay. Thank you. And my second question

1090
00:50:27,839 --> 00:50:30,000
is

1091
00:50:30,000 --> 00:50:37,829
um under 144404 fees for services.

1092
00:50:37,839 --> 00:50:39,839
» Yeah, that was an adjustment. We were

1093
00:50:39,839 --> 00:50:41,520
actually having to do budget adjustments

1094
00:50:41,520 --> 00:50:44,400
at some point. So the Xerox license is

1095
00:50:44,400 --> 00:50:47,359
over 2500. I have an RGI license that's

1096
00:50:47,359 --> 00:50:49,839
5,000. Civil 3D license that's five. So

1097
00:50:49,839 --> 00:50:51,680
we were just making a correction for it

1098
00:50:51,680 --> 00:50:56,559
to make sure that we cover it. Any

1099
00:50:56,559 --> 00:50:58,960
questions? Go ahead, please.

1100
00:50:58,960 --> 00:51:00,720
>> So, I don't have a year date for me, but

1101
00:51:00,720 --> 00:51:04,079
so last year we adopted was 7500

1102
00:51:04,079 --> 00:51:06,000
>> and so you said you went over that so

1103
00:51:06,000 --> 00:51:09,359
that doesn't correct.

1104
00:51:09,359 --> 00:51:12,000
>> Yeah, you see the 2024 actual expenses

1105
00:51:12,000 --> 00:51:14,720
are $20,000,

1106
00:51:14,720 --> 00:51:16,240
>> but we're trying to correct it. It's

1107
00:51:16,240 --> 00:51:18,319
just to make sure everything's

1108
00:51:18,319 --> 00:51:19,760
representative correctly.

1109
00:51:19,760 --> 00:51:20,720
>> All right. Thank you.

1110
00:51:20,720 --> 00:51:23,760
>> Yep. Any other question on this section?

1111
00:51:23,760 --> 00:51:26,480
Seeing none, we'll move to page 23,

1112
00:51:26,480 --> 00:51:29,920
engineering, construction, and design.

1113
00:51:29,920 --> 00:51:34,309
>> Commissioner

1114
00:51:34,319 --> 00:51:37,440
page 23, 841,

1115
00:51:37,440 --> 00:51:40,480
total increase of 19.1%

1116
00:51:40,480 --> 00:51:45,829
33 increase.

1117
00:51:45,839 --> 00:51:49,280
» Um, so here we have assistant to the

1118
00:51:49,280 --> 00:51:52,079
city engineer. This is a position that

1119
00:51:52,079 --> 00:51:54,160
was previously held by Gary Fowl who

1120
00:51:54,160 --> 00:51:57,760
retired. Um it's position that I like to

1121
00:51:57,760 --> 00:52:01,040
have as it does not require a PE. Um the

1122
00:52:01,040 --> 00:52:04,400
PE is a difficult thing to hire for

1123
00:52:04,400 --> 00:52:06,960
because you either have someone who's

1124
00:52:06,960 --> 00:52:09,359
experienced who would want more than 95

1125
00:52:09,359 --> 00:52:11,359
or inexperienced who may want credit and

1126
00:52:11,359 --> 00:52:12,880
doesn't have a PD. So that kind of gives

1127
00:52:12,880 --> 00:52:15,119
us some flexibility. Also, it's at a

1128
00:52:15,119 --> 00:52:18,000
salary where if uh we wanted to change

1129
00:52:18,000 --> 00:52:19,680
that title in the future to something

1130
00:52:19,680 --> 00:52:21,760
that comes to consolidates budgeted if

1131
00:52:21,760 --> 00:52:24,319
we wanted to do something like uh but

1132
00:52:24,319 --> 00:52:26,319
before I had or you'll see in my notes

1133
00:52:26,319 --> 00:52:28,160
we talked about senior engineering

1134
00:52:28,160 --> 00:52:30,240
technician you know joins I saw your

1135
00:52:30,240 --> 00:52:32,160
comment about you know hiring an

1136
00:52:32,160 --> 00:52:34,640
engineer one of the things that we're

1137
00:52:34,640 --> 00:52:37,680
struggling with in engineering is we're

1138
00:52:37,680 --> 00:52:40,480
in this this middle ground a junior

1139
00:52:40,480 --> 00:52:42,079
engineer if you hire a junior engineer I

1140
00:52:42,079 --> 00:52:44,000
started as a junior engineer

1141
00:52:44,000 --> 00:52:45,599
And if you hire a junior engineer who

1142
00:52:45,599 --> 00:52:49,040
wants to be a PE, we don't offer enough

1143
00:52:49,040 --> 00:52:52,160
design experience to get your work PE.

1144
00:52:52,160 --> 00:52:55,200
So for instance, I left. I left for four

1145
00:52:55,200 --> 00:52:59,119
years. I got my PE and I came back. So I

1146
00:52:59,119 --> 00:53:02,319
don't see it being a long-term position

1147
00:53:02,319 --> 00:53:04,640
to hire someone who really wants to earn

1148
00:53:04,640 --> 00:53:07,119
their PE. Um, so then we were trying to

1149
00:53:07,119 --> 00:53:09,119
find people with a technical background,

1150
00:53:09,119 --> 00:53:11,119
someone that, you know, has a background

1151
00:53:11,119 --> 00:53:12,960
in construction and management, which is

1152
00:53:12,960 --> 00:53:15,520
really the majority of what we do, um,

1153
00:53:15,520 --> 00:53:18,079
that we could bring in would want a PE.

1154
00:53:18,079 --> 00:53:19,920
And that's where we were looking at a

1155
00:53:19,920 --> 00:53:21,680
senior engineering tech at one point,

1156
00:53:21,680 --> 00:53:23,920
which was in my notes, but the assistant

1157
00:53:23,920 --> 00:53:26,319
to the city engineer, um, we felt that

1158
00:53:26,319 --> 00:53:27,440
that's a better fit because it's

1159
00:53:27,440 --> 00:53:29,119
budgeted a little higher than senior

1160
00:53:29,119 --> 00:53:31,200
engineering tech and also scan doesn't

1161
00:53:31,200 --> 00:53:33,280
require.

1162
00:53:33,280 --> 00:53:36,960
Um so and then just to you know you know

1163
00:53:36,960 --> 00:53:38,640
be clear on this as well what's not

1164
00:53:38,640 --> 00:53:40,559
represented here and I also have in my

1165
00:53:40,559 --> 00:53:42,800
notes is the storm water control

1166
00:53:42,800 --> 00:53:45,280
officer. One of the things that I talked

1167
00:53:45,280 --> 00:53:47,200
about at a council meeting when I did an

1168
00:53:47,200 --> 00:53:50,240
update was the importance of the city

1169
00:53:50,240 --> 00:53:52,079
being prepared for all the new MS4

1170
00:53:52,079 --> 00:53:54,240
requirements and all the reporting and

1171
00:53:54,240 --> 00:53:55,920
inspections that go along with that.

1172
00:53:55,920 --> 00:53:57,839
Right now we're using a third party

1173
00:53:57,839 --> 00:54:00,880
engineering firm PT Mail to review and

1174
00:54:00,880 --> 00:54:02,880
handle all of it. It's a large

1175
00:54:02,880 --> 00:54:05,200
administrative lift to keep in

1176
00:54:05,200 --> 00:54:09,040
compliance. So that position is in storm

1177
00:54:09,040 --> 00:54:11,920
sorry in the sewer budget. Um and you

1178
00:54:11,920 --> 00:54:13,280
know I would wholeheartedly recommend

1179
00:54:13,280 --> 00:54:15,680
that it remain there. So while you're

1180
00:54:15,680 --> 00:54:18,000
only seeing um the assistance of city

1181
00:54:18,000 --> 00:54:20,079
engineer remaining here, you know that

1182
00:54:20,079 --> 00:54:23,920
position would most likely be put into

1183
00:54:23,920 --> 00:54:26,400
engineering office and they would work

1184
00:54:26,400 --> 00:54:28,559
with me. So that would be an extra body

1185
00:54:28,559 --> 00:54:30,400
as well. Um and like I said in my

1186
00:54:30,400 --> 00:54:32,720
narrative talks about we have a setup

1187
00:54:32,720 --> 00:54:35,920
now for seven seven people. Um this

1188
00:54:35,920 --> 00:54:37,680
would full this would budget the office

1189
00:54:37,680 --> 00:54:40,400
at six whereas right now I have four

1190
00:54:40,400 --> 00:54:42,880
full-time. So you know while it's great

1191
00:54:42,880 --> 00:54:44,800
to say it would be nice to have a seven

1192
00:54:44,800 --> 00:54:47,359
full staff. I mean having two more

1193
00:54:47,359 --> 00:54:50,079
people focused uh on engineering. I mean

1194
00:54:50,079 --> 00:54:52,160
that's that would be huge for the

1195
00:54:52,160 --> 00:54:54,559
department. So I don't want to uh go too

1196
00:54:54,559 --> 00:54:56,400
much outside that. If we can fill in the

1197
00:54:56,400 --> 00:54:58,079
MS4 officer with department of storm

1198
00:54:58,079 --> 00:55:00,640
water and then uh find a replacement for

1199
00:55:00,640 --> 00:55:03,599
Mr. Afall, I think that will um give us

1200
00:55:03,599 --> 00:55:06,000
a lot of uh a lot of help and

1201
00:55:06,000 --> 00:55:08,640
redundancy. The the hard part though to

1202
00:55:08,640 --> 00:55:12,559
your point is, you know, if I'm not here

1203
00:55:12,559 --> 00:55:17,839
that that kind of uh dependency on me as

1204
00:55:17,839 --> 00:55:20,160
the engineer. Um, and I don't know that

1205
00:55:20,160 --> 00:55:22,319
there's a chance that we could find

1206
00:55:22,319 --> 00:55:24,160
someone, but I'm not, you know, we've

1207
00:55:24,160 --> 00:55:25,520
been looking for engineers probably for

1208
00:55:25,520 --> 00:55:27,520
13 years. And it's not that we haven't

1209
00:55:27,520 --> 00:55:28,960
advertised. We advertise quite a bit.

1210
00:55:28,960 --> 00:55:32,079
It's just hard to to put it in

1211
00:55:32,079 --> 00:55:33,920
when there's so much competition out

1212
00:55:33,920 --> 00:55:37,510
there between Friday.

1213
00:55:37,520 --> 00:55:39,200
So, I'm like I said, I guess it's a

1214
00:55:39,200 --> 00:55:40,640
longwinded way of saying I'm comfortable

1215
00:55:40,640 --> 00:55:43,920
with this budget. uh given that the MS4

1216
00:55:43,920 --> 00:55:45,599
storm water control officers day because

1217
00:55:45,599 --> 00:55:47,200
that would be someone that would really

1218
00:55:47,200 --> 00:55:49,280
help me out with a lot of the workload

1219
00:55:49,280 --> 00:55:50,720
that's coming.

1220
00:55:50,720 --> 00:55:53,680
>> So Chris, you still you still use a

1221
00:55:53,680 --> 00:55:55,760
consultant to help you with projects?

1222
00:55:55,760 --> 00:55:59,920
>> Oh yes. So I have uh I started five

1223
00:55:59,920 --> 00:56:01,359
years ago I started doing term

1224
00:56:01,359 --> 00:56:03,680
agreements. Um, so I have a term

1225
00:56:03,680 --> 00:56:06,720
agreement with most 10 private firms and

1226
00:56:06,720 --> 00:56:10,240
the term agreements allow us to kind of

1227
00:56:10,240 --> 00:56:12,720
backfill professional services that we

1228
00:56:12,720 --> 00:56:14,559
need. So whenever there's something that

1229
00:56:14,559 --> 00:56:16,640
comes up be an emergency or a project

1230
00:56:16,640 --> 00:56:18,640
that's under a certain amount, I think

1231
00:56:18,640 --> 00:56:20,160
about professional services that one of

1232
00:56:20,160 --> 00:56:23,680
them uh seek mail or MS4. Um and I think

1233
00:56:23,680 --> 00:56:26,160
that will always be the case because we

1234
00:56:26,160 --> 00:56:28,799
just don't have uh even myself I don't

1235
00:56:28,799 --> 00:56:31,680
have the the time expertise to do a wide

1236
00:56:31,680 --> 00:56:33,119
range of projects that we do in

1237
00:56:33,119 --> 00:56:35,359
engineering. You know we have on our

1238
00:56:35,359 --> 00:56:37,599
turn agreements architects, traffic

1239
00:56:37,599 --> 00:56:39,200
engineers, electrical engineers,

1240
00:56:39,200 --> 00:56:40,319
mechanical engineers because remember

1241
00:56:40,319 --> 00:56:42,799
it's not only uh roads we do all the

1242
00:56:42,799 --> 00:56:44,880
buildings and facilities. So we have a

1243
00:56:44,880 --> 00:56:46,640
lot of people that we that we rely on

1244
00:56:46,640 --> 00:56:48,960
that keep everything together. So with

1245
00:56:48,960 --> 00:56:50,480
these consultants on board and with the

1246
00:56:50,480 --> 00:56:52,240
staffing that you currently have here at

1247
00:56:52,240 --> 00:56:55,520
the key level with uh with all the

1248
00:56:55,520 --> 00:56:57,760
projects that you have currently

1249
00:56:57,760 --> 00:57:00,960
>> next year will be exceptionally busy

1250
00:57:00,960 --> 00:57:04,559
year because it'll eventually be the end

1251
00:57:04,559 --> 00:57:08,400
of a big jump right the money is kind of

1252
00:57:08,400 --> 00:57:10,640
run out right so those projects are done

1253
00:57:10,640 --> 00:57:12,799
but next year we're going to have um the

1254
00:57:12,799 --> 00:57:15,119
DRRi money that all money is being spent

1255
00:57:15,119 --> 00:57:16,880
next year on some of those projects but

1256
00:57:16,880 --> 00:57:19,440
That's around $6 million in BRRI and

1257
00:57:19,440 --> 00:57:23,119
then they got credit tree which is being bid at the end of the year and

1258
00:57:23,119 --> 00:57:24,799
that's a $13 million project. So that's

1259
00:57:24,799 --> 00:57:27,119
bigger than here. Now I am going to have

1260
00:57:27,119 --> 00:57:29,440
support because those projects do allow

1261
00:57:29,440 --> 00:57:32,160
me to hire construction inspectors but

1262
00:57:32,160 --> 00:57:34,799
still a lot. So that this will be a

1263
00:57:34,799 --> 00:57:37,200
extremely busy year with those projects.

1264
00:57:37,200 --> 00:57:38,640
We always have the paving project going

1265
00:57:38,640 --> 00:57:40,720
on and then after that really the

1266
00:57:40,720 --> 00:57:42,160
largest project after that is going to

1267
00:57:42,160 --> 00:57:45,119
be Crane Street Bridge. Um and that is

1268
00:57:45,119 --> 00:57:48,000
just going to be a long that will very

1269
00:57:48,000 --> 00:57:50,319
inflated but it does have an impact on

1270
00:57:50,319 --> 00:57:52,319
>> talking about paving I want to commend

1271
00:57:52,319 --> 00:57:56,400
you publicly for central parkway uh well

1272
00:57:56,400 --> 00:57:58,880
done and homeowners are really

1273
00:57:58,880 --> 00:58:00,720
appreciated some complaints that we have

1274
00:58:00,720 --> 00:58:02,319
to address with you but I think it's

1275
00:58:02,319 --> 00:58:06,799
minor that myself and uh Patrick but I

1276
00:58:06,799 --> 00:58:08,240
don't think it's it's a big of a deal

1277
00:58:08,240 --> 00:58:09,680
but we'll address with you okay

1278
00:58:09,680 --> 00:58:11,040
>> but I want to thank you for that

1279
00:58:11,040 --> 00:58:13,680
leadership in bringing that project to

1280
00:58:13,680 --> 00:58:16,079
where it is successful and that's a So

1281
00:58:16,079 --> 00:58:20,960
many years of planning back and forth co

1282
00:58:20,960 --> 00:58:23,280
is there people like that.

1283
00:58:23,280 --> 00:58:25,359
>> Well, I also have been meaning to email

1284
00:58:25,359 --> 00:58:27,440
you over the last few days to thank you

1285
00:58:27,440 --> 00:58:29,680
for Union Street which also was just

1286
00:58:29,680 --> 00:58:31,680
beautiful. Although I have gotten one

1287
00:58:31,680 --> 00:58:34,400
complaint that it's hard to stay at 25

1288
00:58:34,400 --> 00:58:36,319
now.

1289
00:58:36,319 --> 00:58:38,240
Before you had to avoid all the potholes

1290
00:58:38,240 --> 00:58:40,079
and now you can just, you know, zoom up

1291
00:58:40,079 --> 00:58:42,640
Union Street. So that's a good a good

1292
00:58:42,640 --> 00:58:44,400
problem to have. But it's I I've been

1293
00:58:44,400 --> 00:58:46,319
meaning to to thank you and write to you

1294
00:58:46,319 --> 00:58:47,760
over the last few days and I just

1295
00:58:47,760 --> 00:58:50,240
>> it's can discuss with it has to do with

1296
00:58:50,240 --> 00:58:51,280
the island

1297
00:58:51,280 --> 00:58:55,599
>> what happened the stone and the turf.

1298
00:58:55,599 --> 00:58:58,640
>> Yeah they can

1299
00:58:58,640 --> 00:59:00,480
something that they can be addressed.

1300
00:59:00,480 --> 00:59:01,680
>> Yeah we're going to be we're going to be

1301
00:59:01,680 --> 00:59:03,280
addressing now that it's turf season.

1302
00:59:03,280 --> 00:59:06,000
We're also um we kind of were waiting if

1303
00:59:06,000 --> 00:59:09,040
you notice the um old light poles are

1304
00:59:09,040 --> 00:59:10,559
still in place. Yeah,

1305
00:59:10,559 --> 00:59:12,240
>> National Grid has to remove those

1306
00:59:12,240 --> 00:59:14,640
themselves. So, we just I literally have

1307
00:59:14,640 --> 00:59:16,799
it in my desk yesterday, uh, an

1308
00:59:16,799 --> 00:59:18,079
agreement from National Grid. They're

1309
00:59:18,079 --> 00:59:19,839
going to come and remove those. They're

1310
00:59:19,839 --> 00:59:21,119
going to have to remove the poles and

1311
00:59:21,119 --> 00:59:23,760
the foundations. And then, yeah, we when

1312
00:59:23,760 --> 00:59:26,000
that project ended, it was in the the

1313
00:59:26,000 --> 00:59:28,000
middle of the biggest heat wave that you

1314
00:59:28,000 --> 00:59:28,799
had.

1315
00:59:28,799 --> 00:59:30,799
>> So, planning the grass, all you had to

1316
00:59:30,799 --> 00:59:32,799
establish.

1317
00:59:32,799 --> 00:59:34,160
So, we are going to have to go back

1318
00:59:34,160 --> 00:59:35,920
through and and do that. Now's a good

1319
00:59:35,920 --> 00:59:38,079
time. We're doing the ground part. But

1320
00:59:38,079 --> 00:59:39,119
now at the time it was

1321
00:59:39,119 --> 00:59:40,880
>> I think we preemptive because we did

1322
00:59:40,880 --> 00:59:42,559
full but you're not going to leave like

1323
00:59:42,559 --> 00:59:42,880
that.

1324
00:59:42,880 --> 00:59:46,240
>> No we did because we have known you over

1325
00:59:46,240 --> 00:59:48,480
the years to not do things like that. So

1326
00:59:48,480 --> 00:59:50,240
we did tell we did make that very clear

1327
00:59:50,240 --> 00:59:51,760
to them that you are more than likely

1328
00:59:51,760 --> 00:59:55,349
coming back

1329
00:59:55,359 --> 00:59:56,880
» and then we did mention about the

1330
00:59:56,880 --> 00:59:57,680
international

1331
00:59:57,680 --> 00:59:59,359
>> and the lights came on.

1332
00:59:59,359 --> 00:59:59,920
>> Yeah.

1333
00:59:59,920 --> 01:00:02,720
Absolutely.

1334
01:00:02,720 --> 01:00:04,960
Actually, I'm just going to also say in

1335
01:00:04,960 --> 01:00:09,200
looking over um the purchase orders uh

1336
01:00:09,200 --> 01:00:14,000
summary, well, detail actually that we received I think today, maybe

1337
01:00:14,000 --> 01:00:17,359
yesterday, I can't remember. Um the I

1338
01:00:17,359 --> 01:00:19,359
was noticing just how many different

1339
01:00:19,359 --> 01:00:22,240
firms you do have to interact with

1340
01:00:22,240 --> 01:00:24,559
because of the various consultants. So,

1341
01:00:24,559 --> 01:00:26,319
you know, I can imagine that that's

1342
01:00:26,319 --> 01:00:28,720
complex also. So, I think again to add

1343
01:00:28,720 --> 01:00:30,559
to what Mr. Mutter and saying it's great

1344
01:00:30,559 --> 01:00:32,640
that you have so you know you have very

1345
01:00:32,640 --> 01:00:35,520
strong relationships with these various

1346
01:00:35,520 --> 01:00:38,160
>> that was that was the point of the sheet

1347
01:00:38,160 --> 01:00:39,599
it was a sheet that I included in the

1348
01:00:39,599 --> 01:00:41,920
package just to

1349
01:00:41,920 --> 01:00:45,520
show the amount of internally externally

1350
01:00:45,520 --> 01:00:48,720
that that uh city department of

1351
01:00:48,720 --> 01:00:52,160
engineering lead on work with someone

1352
01:00:52,160 --> 01:00:54,960
that's that's

1353
01:00:54,960 --> 01:00:57,839
right residents you know residents there

1354
01:00:57,839 --> 01:01:00,000
6,000 of them And then we got this is

1355
01:01:00,000 --> 01:01:02,079
just a current snapshot of food cuz it

1356
01:01:02,079 --> 01:01:04,640
does rotate. But um yeah, without the

1357
01:01:04,640 --> 01:01:06,319
consultants and contractors, we know

1358
01:01:06,319 --> 01:01:09,200
that we couldn't we couldn't do it. And

1359
01:01:09,200 --> 01:01:11,839
I also have Steve Bruce back to help

1360
01:01:11,839 --> 01:01:14,079
hard times. See, you know, 30 plus years

1361
01:01:14,079 --> 01:01:15,760
experience with the city.

1362
01:01:15,760 --> 01:01:17,280
>> Great.

1363
01:01:17,280 --> 01:01:18,160
>> Go ahead.

1364
01:01:18,160 --> 01:01:20,960
>> Thank you. Um Mr. When does the paving

1365
01:01:20,960 --> 01:01:23,359
schedule come out by 2026?

1366
01:01:23,359 --> 01:01:25,200
I'm anticipating doing some more roads

1367
01:01:25,200 --> 01:01:26,720
off a Union Street.

1368
01:01:26,720 --> 01:01:27,920
>> We're working on the paving schedule

1369
01:01:27,920 --> 01:01:28,720
now. Yeah.

1370
01:01:28,720 --> 01:01:31,040
>> Um I don't have it I don't have it

1371
01:01:31,040 --> 01:01:32,960
developed now. Usually we don't bother

1372
01:01:32,960 --> 01:01:34,480
having we don't have it all together

1373
01:01:34,480 --> 01:01:35,680
until February. Okay.

1374
01:01:35,680 --> 01:01:37,040
>> But we had an internal meeting. We're

1375
01:01:37,040 --> 01:01:38,960
starting the book. Um I know one of the

1376
01:01:38,960 --> 01:01:40,640
big roads we're looking at this year is

1377
01:01:40,640 --> 01:01:43,040
Frank Street. Um you know in

1378
01:01:43,040 --> 01:01:44,799
anticipation of doing the bridge over

1379
01:01:44,799 --> 01:01:47,359
but we thought that we did that and I

1380
01:01:47,359 --> 01:01:49,200
can look at some rows off the Union but

1381
01:01:49,200 --> 01:01:50,480
you know we're really always trying to

1382
01:01:50,480 --> 01:01:54,799
focus on main times. That's what I drove

1383
01:01:54,799 --> 01:01:56,079
looking at bridge. I'm like yeah it's

1384
01:01:56,079 --> 01:01:58,319
time for this. You know, we also try to

1385
01:01:58,319 --> 01:02:00,240
partner. If you noticed, uh, we worked

1386
01:02:00,240 --> 01:02:01,839
with the Sent City School District. We

1387
01:02:01,839 --> 01:02:02,960
did the roads around the Steinments

1388
01:02:02,960 --> 01:02:04,720
Academy. We're more than grateful about

1389
01:02:04,720 --> 01:02:06,400
that. We did the roads around Mount

1390
01:02:06,400 --> 01:02:09,920
Pleasant. We're also, um, next year

1391
01:02:09,920 --> 01:02:12,960
the mayor sign off might be a minorly

1392
01:02:12,960 --> 01:02:14,559
different paving where I'm looking to

1393
01:02:14,559 --> 01:02:18,319
try to do some of my larger nuisance

1394
01:02:18,319 --> 01:02:21,680
projects. So, um, we have some areas

1395
01:02:21,680 --> 01:02:25,839
like, um, in front of, uh, by Mount

1396
01:02:25,839 --> 01:02:27,440
Pleasant and tennis courts, there's an

1397
01:02:27,440 --> 01:02:28,960
area there where we have a triangle.

1398
01:02:28,960 --> 01:02:30,799
We're looking at redoing that. We've had

1399
01:02:30,799 --> 01:02:33,040
some accidents, uh, in that area, and

1400
01:02:33,040 --> 01:02:34,640
we're looking to reconfigure the ropes

1401
01:02:34,640 --> 01:02:36,880
there. We also have some areas that are

1402
01:02:36,880 --> 01:02:38,880
concrete roads, specifically Michigan

1403
01:02:38,880 --> 01:02:42,559
Avenue and Almont Avenue by 890. It's uh

1404
01:02:42,559 --> 01:02:44,400
concrete roads that are in rough shape,

1405
01:02:44,400 --> 01:02:47,760
you know, and uh looking to do um Gulf

1406
01:02:47,760 --> 01:02:50,559
Road, add an official turn lane at the

1407
01:02:50,559 --> 01:02:51,920
cross town right now. It's kind of one

1408
01:02:51,920 --> 01:02:53,839
and a half lanes. It's a little little

1409
01:02:53,839 --> 01:02:55,280
tricky there. We have a plan for that.

1410
01:02:55,280 --> 01:02:58,000
Also going across and uh cleaning up the

1411
01:02:58,000 --> 01:03:00,240
entrance to the golf course. Um and then

1412
01:03:00,240 --> 01:03:01,920
we're working with uh you know, Mike

1413
01:03:01,920 --> 01:03:03,520
Sesnney on a bunch of areas. The big

1414
01:03:03,520 --> 01:03:05,119
thing that we also are trying to do when

1415
01:03:05,119 --> 01:03:07,520
we have our paving program is eliminate

1416
01:03:07,520 --> 01:03:10,480
areas of icing. So we have some lowline

1417
01:03:10,480 --> 01:03:12,319
areas. We have an area in Woodan right

1418
01:03:12,319 --> 01:03:13,839
now that we're working with connecting

1419
01:03:13,839 --> 01:03:16,880
municipal housing on Mville with roadis

1420
01:03:16,880 --> 01:03:18,880
because it's low. We're looking to do a

1421
01:03:18,880 --> 01:03:20,720
project there to raise the road because

1422
01:03:20,720 --> 01:03:23,119
the less uh icing that we have on the

1423
01:03:23,119 --> 01:03:25,200
road, the less work for our DPW crews

1424
01:03:25,200 --> 01:03:27,200
because it is a specific focus where

1425
01:03:27,200 --> 01:03:30,000
they have to birth dispatch ice

1426
01:03:30,000 --> 01:03:32,640
locations. Um, another one we just are

1427
01:03:32,640 --> 01:03:35,760
doing now is on rugby bowl plot. You see

1428
01:03:35,760 --> 01:03:37,760
a little corner work we're doing there

1429
01:03:37,760 --> 01:03:39,680
that ended up being some icing and some

1430
01:03:39,680 --> 01:03:41,440
flooding areas that we have there. But

1431
01:03:41,440 --> 01:03:43,440
we're trying to pick away at it. But I

1432
01:03:43,440 --> 01:03:46,559
will have a an idea more towards

1433
01:03:46,559 --> 01:03:48,079
January. Right now we're just wrapping

1434
01:03:48,079 --> 01:03:50,559
up talking about

1435
01:03:50,559 --> 01:03:54,640
normal part to the tennis court. That

1436
01:03:54,640 --> 01:03:56,880
section was the others were paid but

1437
01:03:56,880 --> 01:03:59,039
that section was um not paid. Is there a

1438
01:03:59,039 --> 01:04:02,240
reason why that part turned into tennis

1439
01:04:02,240 --> 01:04:03,599
court here?

1440
01:04:03,599 --> 01:04:05,440
>> That's the area I'm talking about. So,

1441
01:04:05,440 --> 01:04:08,720
>> so we stopped while we're designing that

1442
01:04:08,720 --> 01:04:11,440
entire area with the triangle is going

1443
01:04:11,440 --> 01:04:13,280
to be re reconstructed

1444
01:04:13,280 --> 01:04:15,520
>> from our turn all the way up to

1445
01:04:15,520 --> 01:04:18,720
>> Right. Correct. All from there up to not

1446
01:04:18,720 --> 01:04:21,520
right up to the exit ramp but up ways.

1447
01:04:21,520 --> 01:04:24,160
If if you were not if there's a pet

1448
01:04:24,160 --> 01:04:26,319
basin that's in disrepair and there's a

1449
01:04:26,319 --> 01:04:29,039
very awkward triangular island um that's

1450
01:04:29,039 --> 01:04:31,920
not the right side. So we're going to try to clean up that.

1451
01:04:31,920 --> 01:04:33,440
>> You're talking about the cat basement in

1452
01:04:33,440 --> 01:04:36,559
that circle right by Pennsylvania

1453
01:04:36,559 --> 01:04:38,559
>> Skyler.

1454
01:04:38,559 --> 01:04:40,799
Yeah, that area right there.

1455
01:04:40,799 --> 01:04:42,240
>> Thank you. Y

1456
01:04:42,240 --> 01:04:43,680
>> um so I do want

1457
01:04:43,680 --> 01:04:45,119
>> No, you

1458
01:04:45,119 --> 01:04:47,760
>> um I do see that traffic counting was

1459
01:04:47,760 --> 01:04:49,599
cut from your budget.

1460
01:04:49,599 --> 01:04:50,160
>> Yes.

1461
01:04:50,160 --> 01:04:52,000
>> Okay. So, what what are we doing to

1462
01:04:52,000 --> 01:04:53,760
address these stop signs and these

1463
01:04:53,760 --> 01:04:56,000
issues with residents in the city? How

1464
01:04:56,000 --> 01:04:58,000
would you think when we go with that? Do

1465
01:04:58,000 --> 01:04:59,440
we have any money in the budget next

1466
01:04:59,440 --> 01:05:00,400
year?

1467
01:05:00,400 --> 01:05:02,880
>> That's what I was That's why I made a

1468
01:05:02,880 --> 01:05:05,520
note of it. is that I don't specifically

1469
01:05:05,520 --> 01:05:08,640
have the money in things budget for. Um,

1470
01:05:08,640 --> 01:05:12,400
and I look what I, you know, I I uh what

1471
01:05:12,400 --> 01:05:15,599
I'm trying to do is itemize the budget a

1472
01:05:15,599 --> 01:05:17,200
little bit so that it kind of takes some

1473
01:05:17,200 --> 01:05:19,839
of the nuance and pressure off of

1474
01:05:19,839 --> 01:05:22,079
everything. It's that, you know, um, I

1475
01:05:22,079 --> 01:05:24,240
looked at the city of Alby's budget.

1476
01:05:24,240 --> 01:05:26,240
is similar to

1477
01:05:26,240 --> 01:05:27,839
ours, but like I say, they spell out

1478
01:05:27,839 --> 01:05:29,440
everything. So when we get CHIPS money,

1479
01:05:29,440 --> 01:05:32,480
we paid for Chips money. same we uh you

1480
01:05:32,480 --> 01:05:34,960
know we separated chips and CDBG trying

1481
01:05:34,960 --> 01:05:39,440
to focus. So um so the idea behind that

1482
01:05:39,440 --> 01:05:42,160
was that we would put x amount of

1483
01:05:42,160 --> 01:05:46,160
dollars into what Alman would call speed

1484
01:05:46,160 --> 01:05:48,400
mitigation traffic mitigation and they

1485
01:05:48,400 --> 01:05:51,280
dedicated uh million to $2 million a

1486
01:05:51,280 --> 01:05:53,200
year to it and that's how they put in

1487
01:05:53,200 --> 01:05:55,280
their their traffic humps and speed and

1488
01:05:55,280 --> 01:05:57,039
all those things. They use that funding

1489
01:05:57,039 --> 01:05:58,799
not the chips funding and they actually

1490
01:05:58,799 --> 01:06:00,799
had a line called traffic. So I kind of

1491
01:06:00,799 --> 01:06:03,119
copied that and put the amounts in. But

1492
01:06:03,119 --> 01:06:04,480
you know given the situation that we

1493
01:06:04,480 --> 01:06:07,039
have you know fiscally was you know

1494
01:06:07,039 --> 01:06:08,960
those were some of the first things that

1495
01:06:08,960 --> 01:06:10,640
we looked at to say we haven't done this

1496
01:06:10,640 --> 01:06:12,640
in the past now really the best time to

1497
01:06:12,640 --> 01:06:15,280
start. Um it's not to say that we can't

1498
01:06:15,280 --> 01:06:17,839
put in stop signs and do some work with

1499
01:06:17,839 --> 01:06:20,640
chips money is possible. It's just the

1500
01:06:20,640 --> 01:06:22,640
idea that

1501
01:06:22,640 --> 01:06:25,359
the budget to what we would like to do

1502
01:06:25,359 --> 01:06:28,720
and not budget in this shop manner of

1503
01:06:28,720 --> 01:06:30,240
we're going to tell the city engineer

1504
01:06:30,240 --> 01:06:31,599
what we think and he's going to have to

1505
01:06:31,599 --> 01:06:33,520
figure out how to pay for it. You know,

1506
01:06:33,520 --> 01:06:37,119
it's that if the city would like to see

1507
01:06:37,119 --> 01:06:38,880
the creation and the installation of

1508
01:06:38,880 --> 01:06:42,240
speed humps, then we have to put

1509
01:06:42,240 --> 01:06:43,680
something in the budget similar what we

1510
01:06:43,680 --> 01:06:45,280
did with the sidewalks that says is that

1511
01:06:45,280 --> 01:06:46,880
we believe that we need to do this. will

1512
01:06:46,880 --> 01:06:49,200
put in x amount of dollars for me to do

1513
01:06:49,200 --> 01:06:54,640
that and if it's not in the budget so that I'm going to continue to

1514
01:06:54,640 --> 01:06:56,960
do the base work

1515
01:06:56,960 --> 01:06:58,720
>> and and I've appreciated and trusted

1516
01:06:58,720 --> 01:07:00,799
your response Mr.

1517
01:07:00,799 --> 01:07:02,960
on and all the work we do. It's got to

1518
01:07:02,960 --> 01:07:05,119
be overwhelming for me on a daily basis,

1519
01:07:05,119 --> 01:07:07,839
but thank you for it too. Um, so I know

1520
01:07:07,839 --> 01:07:09,839
I've been working for years, some of us

1521
01:07:09,839 --> 01:07:12,720
have on Kingsville and Rosby Road and um

1522
01:07:12,720 --> 01:07:14,720
places like that. So we just want to

1523
01:07:14,720 --> 01:07:17,359
make sure that that's you know

1524
01:07:17,359 --> 01:07:20,079
that fact moving forward that that's

1525
01:07:20,079 --> 01:07:22,000
something that we really want to propose

1526
01:07:22,000 --> 01:07:25,520
for coming.

1527
01:07:25,520 --> 01:07:27,280
>> So

1528
01:07:27,280 --> 01:07:28,799
Mr.

1529
01:07:28,799 --> 01:07:31,039
U actually

1530
01:07:31,039 --> 01:07:34,240
Um, I hear everything all the

1531
01:07:34,240 --> 01:07:37,680
conversation just took place and I'm

1532
01:07:37,680 --> 01:07:41,680
increasingly worried that Mr. Wallen is

1533
01:07:41,680 --> 01:07:44,960
the sole engineer functioning with all

1534
01:07:44,960 --> 01:07:46,319
this knowledge and information at the

1535
01:07:46,319 --> 01:07:47,839
city.

1536
01:07:47,839 --> 01:07:49,359
There's nothing to stop him from

1537
01:07:49,359 --> 01:07:51,760
choosing tomorrow to transition to

1538
01:07:51,760 --> 01:07:53,920
another municipality or work workforce.

1539
01:07:53,920 --> 01:07:58,000
We've seen that happen. Um, and

1540
01:07:58,000 --> 01:08:00,559
in his absence,

1541
01:08:00,559 --> 01:08:02,240
how does the city function where a lot

1542
01:08:02,240 --> 01:08:03,680
of the projects and I appreciate our

1543
01:08:03,680 --> 01:08:05,119
conversations, they require that

1544
01:08:05,119 --> 01:08:07,200
historical context to understand how to

1545
01:08:07,200 --> 01:08:09,440
mitigate some unforeseen issues that you

1546
01:08:09,440 --> 01:08:11,039
just wouldn't know if you weren't here 5

1547
01:08:11,039 --> 01:08:13,280
years ago. And that's why I appreciate

1548
01:08:13,280 --> 01:08:15,920
the two legit knowledge of Mr.

1549
01:08:15,920 --> 01:08:18,239
supportive field just calling those out

1550
01:08:18,239 --> 01:08:19,839
because having a source reference

1551
01:08:19,839 --> 01:08:21,600
knowledge is important to understand

1552
01:08:21,600 --> 01:08:23,520
that we don't repeat some lessons

1553
01:08:23,520 --> 01:08:26,159
learned that just aren't captured with

1554
01:08:26,159 --> 01:08:29,120
um newer individuals at the table. Um

1555
01:08:29,120 --> 01:08:32,400
but for the amount of time that I've

1556
01:08:32,400 --> 01:08:33,839
been on the council, we just continue to

1557
01:08:33,839 --> 01:08:36,400
hear how it's difficult to provide a

1558
01:08:36,400 --> 01:08:40,080
support or a secession. Um if you

1559
01:08:40,080 --> 01:08:42,400
wouldn't mind. Um but sincerely it needs

1560
01:08:42,400 --> 01:08:44,239
to be a hyperfocus

1561
01:08:44,239 --> 01:08:46,960
uh because to me a number of the

1562
01:08:46,960 --> 01:08:48,239
projects that were just identified at

1563
01:08:48,239 --> 01:08:49,759
the table those would fall into the work

1564
01:08:49,759 --> 01:08:52,480
task in excess of the core operations.

1565
01:08:52,480 --> 01:08:55,040
Um we talk about mental health in the

1566
01:08:55,040 --> 01:08:59,520
workplace. I the thought of you being so

1567
01:08:59,520 --> 01:09:01,120
cautious the time you take away from

1568
01:09:01,120 --> 01:09:04,719
your job because of how it will halt for

1569
01:09:04,719 --> 01:09:07,440
how it will halt operations at the city.

1570
01:09:07,440 --> 01:09:09,199
I would imagine that is a component of

1571
01:09:09,199 --> 01:09:10,560
your consideration. And I hope that at

1572
01:09:10,560 --> 01:09:11,600
this stage in your career, you

1573
01:09:11,600 --> 01:09:13,359
understand you have to step away at

1574
01:09:13,359 --> 01:09:17,040
times. Um, but again, with respect to

1575
01:09:17,040 --> 01:09:18,880
engineering, you just keep asking for

1576
01:09:18,880 --> 01:09:20,480
more and more and more and more. And

1577
01:09:20,480 --> 01:09:22,960
it's with good good measures like safety

1578
01:09:22,960 --> 01:09:24,560
considerations, paving schedules,

1579
01:09:24,560 --> 01:09:25,520
they're things that matter to the

1580
01:09:25,520 --> 01:09:27,679
community. Um, but even with the fee for

1581
01:09:27,679 --> 01:09:29,359
service line, I shadowed your department

1582
01:09:29,359 --> 01:09:31,199
for a brief moment and I felt like I was

1583
01:09:31,199 --> 01:09:33,440
taking away your time. Um, but even for

1584
01:09:33,440 --> 01:09:35,199
the projects that you're not managing

1585
01:09:35,199 --> 01:09:37,359
directly, you're indirectly managing

1586
01:09:37,359 --> 01:09:39,440
them because a member from your office

1587
01:09:39,440 --> 01:09:41,120
has to sign off phone at the end of the

1588
01:09:41,120 --> 01:09:43,359
day. Um, so I would even say that that's

1589
01:09:43,359 --> 01:09:47,839
double the work. Um so although we can

1590
01:09:47,839 --> 01:09:50,159
align the budget, there needs to be an

1591
01:09:50,159 --> 01:09:52,000
emphasis from within city hall because

1592
01:09:52,000 --> 01:09:55,040
again that is a big shortfall and I do

1593
01:09:55,040 --> 01:09:56,480
not want to see us continue down this

1594
01:09:56,480 --> 01:09:59,679
path of having individuals with uh so

1595
01:09:59,679 --> 01:10:01,120
many different varying responsibilities

1596
01:10:01,120 --> 01:10:03,679
that sometimes exceed their immediate

1597
01:10:03,679 --> 01:10:06,080
role set and as we replace them we now

1598
01:10:06,080 --> 01:10:08,159
have to decouple all these things and

1599
01:10:08,159 --> 01:10:10,880
it's more difficult. Um, so I see this

1600
01:10:10,880 --> 01:10:14,320
is as a a crossroad for us and I hope

1601
01:10:14,320 --> 01:10:15,679
that we can address this move forward

1602
01:10:15,679 --> 01:10:17,120
and I hate the word hope because we have

1603
01:10:17,120 --> 01:10:19,840
to figure it out eventually, but to me

1604
01:10:19,840 --> 01:10:22,640
it doesn't seem like we are. Um, so I

1605
01:10:22,640 --> 01:10:24,080
can thank you and we can all thank you

1606
01:10:24,080 --> 01:10:25,920
for what you do. Um, but until we

1607
01:10:25,920 --> 01:10:28,480
provide you some supports, it this is a

1608
01:10:28,480 --> 01:10:32,080
ticking timeline and I am one of a lot

1609
01:10:32,080 --> 01:10:33,199
of members in our community that have

1610
01:10:33,199 --> 01:10:36,400
moved back with the hopes of putting

1611
01:10:36,400 --> 01:10:38,880
some supports or with the hopes that

1612
01:10:38,880 --> 01:10:40,719
this will still be here and I don't want

1613
01:10:40,719 --> 01:10:42,320
to see your good efforts fall by the

1614
01:10:42,320 --> 01:10:48,070
wayside because of our poor plan.

1615
01:10:48,080 --> 01:10:51,760
» Well said that as well.

1616
01:10:51,760 --> 01:10:52,960
>> Yes,

1617
01:10:52,960 --> 01:10:55,040
>> you're not going anywhere.

1618
01:10:55,040 --> 01:10:57,760
But yes, you need you need support staff

1619
01:10:57,760 --> 01:10:59,120
to help you out.

1620
01:10:59,120 --> 01:10:59,920
>> Agreed.

1621
01:10:59,920 --> 01:11:01,199
>> What we are trying to do in the

1622
01:11:01,199 --> 01:11:04,400
department having another IPS's help is

1623
01:11:04,400 --> 01:11:07,120
we are trying to utilize

1624
01:11:07,120 --> 01:11:09,440
technology and and organizationally

1625
01:11:09,440 --> 01:11:11,440
we're trying to in case anybody were to

1626
01:11:11,440 --> 01:11:13,040
walk in there. It is, you know, Steve

1627
01:11:13,040 --> 01:11:15,520
spend six months organizing files and

1628
01:11:15,520 --> 01:11:17,520
scanning and working with it just to try

1629
01:11:17,520 --> 01:11:19,679
to make it um so that if someone were to

1630
01:11:19,679 --> 01:11:21,040
come in, they would not be just

1631
01:11:21,040 --> 01:11:23,360
inheriting, you know, I inherited a desk

1632
01:11:23,360 --> 01:11:24,640
with a lot of paper on it. You know,

1633
01:11:24,640 --> 01:11:25,760
we're trying to track things

1634
01:11:25,760 --> 01:11:27,600
differently. And I do think it helps

1635
01:11:27,600 --> 01:11:30,640
when you have things um more itemized

1636
01:11:30,640 --> 01:11:32,080
like what we're talking about. That way

1637
01:11:32,080 --> 01:11:35,520
you can just see these are at hand. Um,

1638
01:11:35,520 --> 01:11:37,920
and like I I really do think that with

1639
01:11:37,920 --> 01:11:40,159
the end of the ARPA and the DR, which I

1640
01:11:40,159 --> 01:11:41,760
hope I think that might have been a lot

1641
01:11:41,760 --> 01:11:43,280
of funding, you know, we had a lot of

1642
01:11:43,280 --> 01:11:45,520
projects in a very short amount of time

1643
01:11:45,520 --> 01:11:47,120
and we didn't, you know, increase staff

1644
01:11:47,120 --> 01:11:48,800
to handle it. It was just a lot going

1645
01:11:48,800 --> 01:11:49,600
on.

1646
01:11:49,600 --> 01:11:51,760
>> Um, I I think maybe we'll get back to

1647
01:11:51,760 --> 01:11:54,960
some kind of normality, but I appreciate

1648
01:11:54,960 --> 01:11:56,640
it. I mean, we would I would like to

1649
01:11:56,640 --> 01:11:58,159
have one here, but the issue is I just

1650
01:11:58,159 --> 01:12:00,080
don't want to sit here and say that, you

1651
01:12:00,080 --> 01:12:02,800
know, 13 years without having another PE

1652
01:12:02,800 --> 01:12:05,520
that in this fiscal budget that this is

1653
01:12:05,520 --> 01:12:08,080
the year that we really need a PE and

1654
01:12:08,080 --> 01:12:10,080
that if I walk away that the city's

1655
01:12:10,080 --> 01:12:11,360
going to be doomed. You know, the city's

1656
01:12:11,360 --> 01:12:13,679
been here for a very long time and, you

1657
01:12:13,679 --> 01:12:15,199
know, everybody's managed to figure it

1658
01:12:15,199 --> 01:12:17,199
out without me and without, you know,

1659
01:12:17,199 --> 01:12:19,199
it'll keep going on. You know, it's

1660
01:12:19,199 --> 01:12:22,159
government. It's it's it'll just be a

1661
01:12:22,159 --> 01:12:27,830
little bit more inefficient, I guess.

1662
01:12:27,840 --> 01:12:29,600
I'm talking about paving residential

1663
01:12:29,600 --> 01:12:32,880
paving removed from your your office.

1664
01:12:32,880 --> 01:12:34,560
Sorry, under your control. It's now

1665
01:12:34,560 --> 01:12:38,080
under residential

1666
01:12:38,080 --> 01:12:40,320
inspection that is completely under

1667
01:12:40,320 --> 01:12:44,000
code. Correct. So, um several years ago,

1668
01:12:44,000 --> 01:12:45,920
um what we decid what we we decided for

1669
01:12:45,920 --> 01:12:49,280
efficiencies was that you know anything

1670
01:12:49,280 --> 01:12:52,480
that affected a private parcel. So if it

1671
01:12:52,480 --> 01:12:54,400
was on a private property then that work

1672
01:12:54,400 --> 01:12:56,640
would just go to codes because you know

1673
01:12:56,640 --> 01:12:58,159
technically engineering different you

1674
01:12:58,159 --> 01:13:00,080
know I I'm usually in my staff are in

1675
01:13:00,080 --> 01:13:01,679
the rightway we don't have badges we

1676
01:13:01,679 --> 01:13:02,880
don't have authority to go on the

1677
01:13:02,880 --> 01:13:04,640
private property technically I'm sure

1678
01:13:04,640 --> 01:13:06,080
there's some something in there that

1679
01:13:06,080 --> 01:13:08,719
says I could but we like we changed the

1680
01:13:08,719 --> 01:13:11,199
structure years ago to be that if a

1681
01:13:11,199 --> 01:13:13,600
permit had to do with anything that was

1682
01:13:13,600 --> 01:13:16,080
on a private property such as you're

1683
01:13:16,080 --> 01:13:19,840
paving your driveway but uh I had a

1684
01:13:19,840 --> 01:13:22,080
review in the past from municip If it's

1685
01:13:22,080 --> 01:13:24,239
a curve cut, if sidewalks, anything in

1686
01:13:24,239 --> 01:13:26,960
the right that the check and I do get

1687
01:13:26,960 --> 01:13:28,960
that call from code officers that say

1688
01:13:28,960 --> 01:13:30,960
it's a new curb cut, does this curb cut

1689
01:13:30,960 --> 01:13:32,640
mean city standard? And then I will

1690
01:13:32,640 --> 01:13:34,480
review it and check. But if it's just

1691
01:13:34,480 --> 01:13:36,800
someone wants to retake the driveway, I

1692
01:13:36,800 --> 01:13:39,040
don't I don't have to

1693
01:13:39,040 --> 01:13:41,199
that has been done.

1694
01:13:41,199 --> 01:13:45,830
>> Well, you're completely out of

1695
01:13:45,840 --> 01:13:47,760
» You're completely out. Yeah, that I mean

1696
01:13:47,760 --> 01:13:49,679
and that's what I get again is that like

1697
01:13:49,679 --> 01:13:51,840
the uh the core operations part of it,

1698
01:13:51,840 --> 01:13:53,600
you know, if you were if you were to

1699
01:13:53,600 --> 01:13:55,360
look back these for years, you know,

1700
01:13:55,360 --> 01:13:57,040
where it says permanent issuance

1701
01:13:57,040 --> 01:14:00,000
inspection, there used to be six there.

1702
01:14:00,000 --> 01:14:02,239
>> Sidewalk, painting, all that. Anything

1703
01:14:02,239 --> 01:14:04,480
that had to do with a residential or

1704
01:14:04,480 --> 01:14:06,480
commercial property, those were

1705
01:14:06,480 --> 01:14:08,560
transition to codes. And I now have

1706
01:14:08,560 --> 01:14:10,320
revocables, which are things in the

1707
01:14:10,320 --> 01:14:12,719
right way, uh and the small warehouse

1708
01:14:12,719 --> 01:14:14,159
facilities, which are also things in

1709
01:14:14,159 --> 01:14:16,080
right away. So I handle anything that's

1710
01:14:16,080 --> 01:14:19,830
in the city's right.

1711
01:14:19,840 --> 01:14:22,400
» Also just back to the budget cut. Sorry.

1712
01:14:22,400 --> 01:14:24,000
When you say cut from budget, is it

1713
01:14:24,000 --> 01:14:25,920
because that something you removed based

1714
01:14:25,920 --> 01:14:28,159
on needing to cut that amount or was

1715
01:14:28,159 --> 01:14:30,239
that something that you asked for and it

1716
01:14:30,239 --> 01:14:31,920
was removed?

1717
01:14:31,920 --> 01:14:33,440
>> You talking about the position? Um

1718
01:14:33,440 --> 01:14:36,320
actually specifically talking about um

1719
01:14:36,320 --> 01:14:40,320
the MSN MS4 requirements and traffic

1720
01:14:40,320 --> 01:14:44,000
and well like I said it was the MS4

1721
01:14:44,000 --> 01:14:46,400
requirement was a something that I spoke

1722
01:14:46,400 --> 01:14:48,880
with mayor finance about uh regarding

1723
01:14:48,880 --> 01:14:51,199
copying the Ithaca way of doing things

1724
01:14:51,199 --> 01:14:54,000
and requires a a new fee and creation of

1725
01:14:54,000 --> 01:14:55,679
it but there's a lot of complication to

1726
01:14:55,679 --> 01:14:56,800
that. So it's something I'm going to

1727
01:14:56,800 --> 01:14:58,800
continue to work on with Derek um

1728
01:14:58,800 --> 01:15:01,199
because it is a it is a large be a large

1729
01:15:01,199 --> 01:15:03,520
implementation. So we decide not to go

1730
01:15:03,520 --> 01:15:05,199
forward. Traffic timing like I said in

1731
01:15:05,199 --> 01:15:07,280
the parking study those were singular

1732
01:15:07,280 --> 01:15:08,640
capital lines. They were not in the

1733
01:15:08,640 --> 01:15:09,840
operating budget. They could go in the

1734
01:15:09,840 --> 01:15:11,040
operating budget but those were things

1735
01:15:11,040 --> 01:15:13,440
that were in the capital. But once again

1736
01:15:13,440 --> 01:15:17,280
is that this is a tight budget. So they

1737
01:15:17,280 --> 01:15:19,280
were they were wanted to have them in

1738
01:15:19,280 --> 01:15:21,600
there to show that we talked about these

1739
01:15:21,600 --> 01:15:23,520
things. I added the budget but you know

1740
01:15:23,520 --> 01:15:25,280
we had to have some discussions when we

1741
01:15:25,280 --> 01:15:27,360
get to our capital about things that are

1742
01:15:27,360 --> 01:15:29,040
you know more important than that. And

1743
01:15:29,040 --> 01:15:31,040
there may be some ways around it, but

1744
01:15:31,040 --> 01:15:34,480
also it would be great if you know I

1745
01:15:34,480 --> 01:15:36,800
guess we didn't, you know, off the focus

1746
01:15:36,800 --> 01:15:38,960
of trying to do so much, you know, and

1747
01:15:38,960 --> 01:15:40,480
that's that's the thing is that in the

1748
01:15:40,480 --> 01:15:43,520
city the Craig Street project and

1749
01:15:43,520 --> 01:15:45,360
putting four stop signs up sometimes

1750
01:15:45,360 --> 01:15:46,960
take just as much time. Know there's a

1751
01:15:46,960 --> 01:15:48,480
lot of conversations that need to happen

1752
01:15:48,480 --> 01:15:54,470
with both of those projects. So there are time cons,

1753
01:15:54,480 --> 01:15:55,920
you know, this is this is the city's

1754
01:15:55,920 --> 01:15:58,719
budget. It's not my budget.

1755
01:15:58,719 --> 01:16:01,280
back.

1756
01:16:01,280 --> 01:16:04,480
>> Are there any other questions?

1757
01:16:04,480 --> 01:16:08,080
Okay, seeing none,

1758
01:16:08,080 --> 01:16:10,320
I think a couple other departments uh

1759
01:16:10,320 --> 01:16:11,760
except for adult.

1760
01:16:11,760 --> 01:16:13,199
>> Yeah, we can go through all the lines.

1761
01:16:13,199 --> 01:16:14,880
I'll just let you know 14 is the

1762
01:16:14,880 --> 01:16:18,000
administrative APWA news. Uh county

1763
01:16:18,000 --> 01:16:21,040
split news that is the 402 lines fees

1764
01:16:21,040 --> 01:16:23,360
for services. That is what I do use to

1765
01:16:23,360 --> 01:16:25,600
pay for consultants when it comes time

1766
01:16:25,600 --> 01:16:29,040
for I need third party services. Um so

1767
01:16:29,040 --> 01:16:30,719
that line I would appreciate remaining.

1768
01:16:30,719 --> 01:16:32,320
You can see the one year was very high.

1769
01:16:32,320 --> 01:16:34,480
We got a we had to do some transfers but

1770
01:16:34,480 --> 01:16:36,480
then what we did is that wasn't new with

1771
01:16:36,480 --> 01:16:38,239
staff. We moved some staff money to

1772
01:16:38,239 --> 01:16:40,239
there and that's what we did but I'm

1773
01:16:40,239 --> 01:16:41,840
comfortable with that number. And then

1774
01:16:41,840 --> 01:16:44,480
like I said the rest of it is is small.

1775
01:16:44,480 --> 01:16:46,960
It's uh cell phones uh training and then

1776
01:16:46,960 --> 01:16:56,470
once again

1777
01:16:56,480 --> 01:16:59,669
section

1778
01:16:59,679 --> 01:17:03,440
all yours capital

1779
01:17:03,440 --> 01:17:08,790
your engineering department

1780
01:17:08,800 --> 01:17:12,000
buildings and come back and fill up the

1781
01:17:12,000 --> 01:17:28,470
lab and

1782
01:17:28,480 --> 01:17:34,790
So page 91

1783
01:17:34,800 --> 01:17:37,040
bottom section

1784
01:17:37,040 --> 01:17:42,550
and the next page. Mhm.

1785
01:17:42,560 --> 01:17:46,320
Just one sure

1786
01:17:46,320 --> 01:17:49,360
the first one electric vehicle charging

1787
01:17:49,360 --> 01:17:51,520
stations. What we're looking to do is

1788
01:17:51,520 --> 01:17:54,719
currently we have five charge point

1789
01:17:54,719 --> 01:17:56,880
charging stations. They were installed

1790
01:17:56,880 --> 01:17:59,040
over 5 years ago. Um we've been having

1791
01:17:59,040 --> 01:18:01,040
some issues with the annual maintenance

1792
01:18:01,040 --> 01:18:03,120
fees on them and some of the

1793
01:18:03,120 --> 01:18:05,199
repairability. um our facilities

1794
01:18:05,199 --> 01:18:08,159
department um asked that uh we

1795
01:18:08,159 --> 01:18:10,400
transition those to link well the

1796
01:18:10,400 --> 01:18:12,320
stations that we've been putting in

1797
01:18:12,320 --> 01:18:14,719
lately. Um we have some right in back

1798
01:18:14,719 --> 01:18:16,719
city hall. We're also putting some in at

1799
01:18:16,719 --> 01:18:18,719
the golf course. There's two and some

1800
01:18:18,719 --> 01:18:20,400
other areas in the city. We have both

1801
01:18:20,400 --> 01:18:22,719
stations going in. So this is to replace

1802
01:18:22,719 --> 01:18:24,560
the existing stations and put in a

1803
01:18:24,560 --> 01:18:27,360
couple new stations for electric vehicle

1804
01:18:27,360 --> 01:18:30,320
charging. The next fire station

1805
01:18:30,320 --> 01:18:33,760
improvements. So that is I had three

1806
01:18:33,760 --> 01:18:36,400
improvements. So we did a lot of work to

1807
01:18:36,400 --> 01:18:39,199
fire station one replace their APA

1808
01:18:39,199 --> 01:18:41,280
heating system

1809
01:18:41,280 --> 01:18:43,360
really successful project. They also had

1810
01:18:43,360 --> 01:18:46,800
a uh whole house generator but in doing

1811
01:18:46,800 --> 01:18:48,719
that what we have now is they have a

1812
01:18:48,719 --> 01:18:51,120
console on the front of their building.

1813
01:18:51,120 --> 01:18:53,040
Um the console used to be where dispatch

1814
01:18:53,040 --> 01:18:54,880
was now we moved to a central dispatch

1815
01:18:54,880 --> 01:18:57,040
but that console remains. It is a very

1816
01:18:57,040 --> 01:19:00,239
large hardwired console. uh and it's

1817
01:19:00,239 --> 01:19:03,040
taking up space. It looks like something

1818
01:19:03,040 --> 01:19:06,400
from NASA via Houston. We have a

1819
01:19:06,400 --> 01:19:09,120
problem. I mean, it is an old

1820
01:19:09,120 --> 01:19:11,520
and so we have uh some folks to remove

1821
01:19:11,520 --> 01:19:13,520
that and refurbish that room so they can

1822
01:19:13,520 --> 01:19:15,840
turn it into uh more administrative

1823
01:19:15,840 --> 01:19:18,960
spaces. Uh we're also looking at doing

1824
01:19:18,960 --> 01:19:21,440
the roof uh at station two and at

1825
01:19:21,440 --> 01:19:25,120
station 4. So that is fire station

1826
01:19:25,120 --> 01:19:29,120
improvements, parking kiosks. Um, I know

1827
01:19:29,120 --> 01:19:31,840
as we're transitioning to Lazo, but we

1828
01:19:31,840 --> 01:19:35,199
have a lot of outdated kiosks around the

1829
01:19:35,199 --> 01:19:36,560
world. We doing even though we did

1830
01:19:36,560 --> 01:19:39,199
upgrade some, we have a lot of uh kiosks

1831
01:19:39,199 --> 01:19:40,640
that really need to be upgraded with the

1832
01:19:40,640 --> 01:19:43,040
new displays. So, this is to buy, I

1833
01:19:43,040 --> 01:19:45,360
believe, 10 new kiosks and locate them

1834
01:19:45,360 --> 01:19:47,199
in our busier area, do a whole

1835
01:19:47,199 --> 01:19:50,400
reshuffleling of a kiosk working with

1836
01:19:50,400 --> 01:19:53,679
the uh PD department. Um, paving that is

1837
01:19:53,679 --> 01:19:55,760
our general paving fund. That is in

1838
01:19:55,760 --> 01:19:58,320
addition to chips. um that is for work

1839
01:19:58,320 --> 01:20:01,040
that is not chips eligible. It is really

1840
01:20:01,040 --> 01:20:03,679
useful to have uh funds dedicated to

1841
01:20:03,679 --> 01:20:06,480
paving for nonchips eligible work

1842
01:20:06,480 --> 01:20:08,960
because chips does have requirements.

1843
01:20:08,960 --> 01:20:11,280
The next one um replacement of green

1844
01:20:11,280 --> 01:20:14,480
houses at Central Park. Um we have two

1845
01:20:14,480 --> 01:20:16,320
green houses at Central Park that are

1846
01:20:16,320 --> 01:20:18,880
dating back to 1950s. They are our last

1847
01:20:18,880 --> 01:20:21,360
green houses with antlated controls.

1848
01:20:21,360 --> 01:20:23,520
We've installed uh a new teaching

1849
01:20:23,520 --> 01:20:25,520
greenhouse with a grant that we got from

1850
01:20:25,520 --> 01:20:28,480
Brookley for set. That greenhouse is a

1851
01:20:28,480 --> 01:20:30,480
polycarbonate greenhouse. It is

1852
01:20:30,480 --> 01:20:32,960
phenomenal. Their production has doubled

1853
01:20:32,960 --> 01:20:34,640
using the greenhouse

1854
01:20:34,640 --> 01:20:38,239
>> and um instead of investing money into

1855
01:20:38,239 --> 01:20:41,520
those old green houses and I were like

1856
01:20:41,520 --> 01:20:45,600
done. So we're looking at uh new two new

1857
01:20:45,600 --> 01:20:47,679
green houses that are polycarbonate that

1858
01:20:47,679 --> 01:20:50,320
will use their automation system. Um the

1859
01:20:50,320 --> 01:20:52,239
green houses will be almost identical

1860
01:20:52,239 --> 01:20:54,880
size but more configured for production

1861
01:20:54,880 --> 01:20:58,080
just longer traditional green houses. Um

1862
01:20:58,080 --> 01:21:00,640
so that's one of them and then signage

1863
01:21:00,640 --> 01:21:04,000
which is central park signage. So we've

1864
01:21:04,000 --> 01:21:06,800
been working for well over two years on

1865
01:21:06,800 --> 01:21:09,520
uh installation of signage wayfinding

1866
01:21:09,520 --> 01:21:12,560
signage in Central Park and um I spoke

1867
01:21:12,560 --> 01:21:14,400
with Derek about it. I hope you're using

1868
01:21:14,400 --> 01:21:16,560
general paving funds because we do

1869
01:21:16,560 --> 01:21:19,280
signage with general paving. However,

1870
01:21:19,280 --> 01:21:21,600
since we're not paving all the roads

1871
01:21:21,600 --> 01:21:23,520
around the park because we've had them

1872
01:21:23,520 --> 01:21:29,840
come, it's uh safer to council just to do it this way. These are, you know,

1873
01:21:29,840 --> 01:21:31,600
not street signs. These are decorative

1874
01:21:31,600 --> 01:21:33,199
signs similar that you would see in a in

1875
01:21:33,199 --> 01:21:35,679
a state park that would be placed at the

1876
01:21:35,679 --> 01:21:38,400
main entrances around the park. Um it's

1877
01:21:38,400 --> 01:21:39,840
good timing for it because now

1878
01:21:39,840 --> 01:21:42,800
everything's kind of set where it is. Um

1879
01:21:42,800 --> 01:21:44,320
we know where everything's going to be.

1880
01:21:44,320 --> 01:21:47,040
So, that is uh the next one. So those

1881
01:21:47,040 --> 01:21:52,159
were the uh the replacements for

1882
01:21:52,159 --> 01:21:54,000
>> So we do have some signage around

1883
01:21:54,000 --> 01:21:58,000
Central Park replace those

1884
01:21:58,000 --> 01:21:59,440
>> any signs that was like rose garden

1885
01:21:59,440 --> 01:22:01,360
signage that's going to remain that were

1886
01:22:01,360 --> 01:22:02,800
privately funded that rose garden

1887
01:22:02,800 --> 01:22:04,800
signage. This is more weight finding.

1888
01:22:04,800 --> 01:22:06,159
It's actually going to be outside around

1889
01:22:06,159 --> 01:22:09,040
the perimeter of the park of not so much

1890
01:22:09,040 --> 01:22:10,719
on the interior to make sure that people

1891
01:22:10,719 --> 01:22:13,920
know where the pool is, where to park um

1892
01:22:13,920 --> 01:22:15,360
where you know where to park for a

1893
01:22:15,360 --> 01:22:17,360
diamond and b diamond connect the

1894
01:22:17,360 --> 01:22:18,880
educational environmental community. We

1895
01:22:18,880 --> 01:22:20,000
want to make sure people know where that

1896
01:22:20,000 --> 01:22:23,120
is. So we have a plan um and we're ready

1897
01:22:23,120 --> 01:22:24,960
to go. It's just that we need the

1898
01:22:24,960 --> 01:22:28,950
funding.

1899
01:22:28,960 --> 01:22:30,560
» Okay. Something happened in the last

1900
01:22:30,560 --> 01:22:32,000
year to year before. We did some work

1901
01:22:32,000 --> 01:22:34,080
for the greenhouse with a bathroom or

1902
01:22:34,080 --> 01:22:36,000
something like that.

1903
01:22:36,000 --> 01:22:37,679
>> We did install a bathroom. Yes, we've

1904
01:22:37,679 --> 01:22:39,280
installed a composting bathroom with a

1905
01:22:39,280 --> 01:22:39,600
grant.

1906
01:22:39,600 --> 01:22:40,800
>> Was it last year?

1907
01:22:40,800 --> 01:22:42,960
>> Two years ago.

1908
01:22:42,960 --> 01:22:45,760
>> No, the greenhouse is I mean it really

1909
01:22:45,760 --> 01:22:47,280
is an asset to the city. I encourage

1910
01:22:47,280 --> 01:22:50,719
anyone to go. Um, and if you would like

1911
01:22:50,719 --> 01:22:54,239
to see what that new does, um, it's

1912
01:22:54,239 --> 01:22:56,080
unbelievable what they can do with

1913
01:22:56,080 --> 01:22:57,600
actually climate controlled all

1914
01:22:57,600 --> 01:23:00,960
computerized and to show us some of some

1915
01:23:00,960 --> 01:23:02,239
of the produce that they're making out

1916
01:23:02,239 --> 01:23:04,080
of there and what they can do. I think

1917
01:23:04,080 --> 01:23:05,520
this is going to really increase the

1918
01:23:05,520 --> 01:23:07,120
capacity and, you know, it's not a for

1919
01:23:07,120 --> 01:23:08,320
profit thing. It's something that

1920
01:23:08,320 --> 01:23:12,159
they're providing. Go ahead.

1921
01:23:12,159 --> 01:23:15,520
>> Well, a couple of questions. Well, three

1922
01:23:15,520 --> 01:23:16,480
questions.

1923
01:23:16,480 --> 01:23:20,320
Um, one about the green houses. Would

1924
01:23:20,320 --> 01:23:22,480
what's your estimation of would we be

1925
01:23:22,480 --> 01:23:24,320
able to go another year if we couldn't

1926
01:23:24,320 --> 01:23:26,719
replace the green houses with new green

1927
01:23:26,719 --> 01:23:28,960
houses? So, that's my first question.

1928
01:23:28,960 --> 01:23:31,199
>> I would want to talk with Pam and Janet

1929
01:23:31,199 --> 01:23:33,520
about it just because they have put off

1930
01:23:33,520 --> 01:23:35,679
certain things with updating because of

1931
01:23:35,679 --> 01:23:37,920
it. Um, you know, the heating systems

1932
01:23:37,920 --> 01:23:40,480
are antiquated. They have old oil. Um,

1933
01:23:40,480 --> 01:23:41,920
we're really trying to get away from

1934
01:23:41,920 --> 01:23:44,159
oil, uh, from everything. you know, they

1935
01:23:44,159 --> 01:23:46,000
have tanks in the ground.

1936
01:23:46,000 --> 01:23:47,520
>> Um, and then, you know, some of the

1937
01:23:47,520 --> 01:23:49,120
glass is broken. That's the issue is a

1938
01:23:49,120 --> 01:23:50,560
glass greenhouse.

1939
01:23:50,560 --> 01:23:54,480
>> So, um, I would I would I would if could

1940
01:23:54,480 --> 01:23:56,239
recommend that we we try to we try to

1941
01:23:56,239 --> 01:23:58,880
move forward with it just because it is

1942
01:23:58,880 --> 01:24:00,639
>> there's there's electrical things going

1943
01:24:00,639 --> 01:24:02,960
on there. I mean, if you were to look at

1944
01:24:02,960 --> 01:24:05,199
it, it's pretty pretty bad.

1945
01:24:05,199 --> 01:24:08,639
>> Okay. And then in terms of the um the

1946
01:24:08,639 --> 01:24:12,239
signage were did we ever um I feel like

1947
01:24:12,239 --> 01:24:15,520
this in my memory um did we have to have

1948
01:24:15,520 --> 01:24:17,360
a partnership with the county for some

1949
01:24:17,360 --> 01:24:19,679
of those weightbearing signs or is that

1950
01:24:19,679 --> 01:24:23,910
just something I'm imagining

1951
01:24:23,920 --> 01:24:28,080
» you feel like you know

1952
01:24:28,080 --> 01:24:30,560
>> so I worked with Steve Feny and another

1953
01:24:30,560 --> 01:24:33,040
grant which was the veil central park

1954
01:24:33,040 --> 01:24:33,920
connector

1955
01:24:33,920 --> 01:24:36,159
>> and that was a signage project that we

1956
01:24:36,159 --> 01:24:37,679
completed a couple years ago.

1957
01:24:37,679 --> 01:24:39,199
>> Okay. So, that is what I'm thinking.

1958
01:24:39,199 --> 01:24:41,280
>> Yeah. And that is in place. Uh and that

1959
01:24:41,280 --> 01:24:42,880
we utilize the new capital district

1960
01:24:42,880 --> 01:24:44,560
trail logos. We were one of the first

1961
01:24:44,560 --> 01:24:47,199
municipalities to do it. Um which is

1962
01:24:47,199 --> 01:24:49,280
great. And if anybody looks outside the

1963
01:24:49,280 --> 01:24:51,199
window to see our continuation project

1964
01:24:51,199 --> 01:24:52,560
that's going on, which is, you know,

1965
01:24:52,560 --> 01:24:53,840
we're getting some really good reviews

1966
01:24:53,840 --> 01:24:56,480
of that Franklin Street cycle track. Uh

1967
01:24:56,480 --> 01:24:59,120
while it's not done, you can really see

1968
01:24:59,120 --> 01:25:00,560
it because the asphalt's been cut out

1969
01:25:00,560 --> 01:25:02,400
and the curb going in. And that's the

1970
01:25:02,400 --> 01:25:04,239
continuation of that path all the way

1971
01:25:04,239 --> 01:25:06,159
from there. And that's going to be a

1972
01:25:06,159 --> 01:25:07,520
federal project that we're working on

1973
01:25:07,520 --> 01:25:09,280
next year as well, which is the

1974
01:25:09,280 --> 01:25:11,600
continuation of that path from the

1975
01:25:11,600 --> 01:25:13,120
environmental education center at the

1976
01:25:13,120 --> 01:25:15,679
state so that someone on a bicycle could

1977
01:25:15,679 --> 01:25:17,920
have a dedicated path all the way from

1978
01:25:17,920 --> 01:25:21,120
state fair to city hall. So effectively,

1979
01:25:21,120 --> 01:25:22,960
you could ride the bike on a dedicated

1980
01:25:22,960 --> 01:25:25,600
path from State Street to the farm,

1981
01:25:25,600 --> 01:25:27,920
>> which is great. in our next phase to try

1982
01:25:27,920 --> 01:25:30,320
to get you from here to Union Street so

1983
01:25:30,320 --> 01:25:32,719
that we could connect you to the Mohawk

1984
01:25:32,719 --> 01:25:35,520
uh Mohawk and Trail, which would be

1985
01:25:35,520 --> 01:25:37,199
huge. So, only only a couple blocks to

1986
01:25:37,199 --> 01:25:39,120
go until we're done with that.

1987
01:25:39,120 --> 01:25:41,360
>> Okay. And my last thing was just about

1988
01:25:41,360 --> 01:25:45,840
um lighting at parks. Um if we I thought

1989
01:25:45,840 --> 01:25:47,120
for some reason that we had talked about

1990
01:25:47,120 --> 01:25:49,040
that previously when we had the parks

1991
01:25:49,040 --> 01:25:51,520
director here, but I'm not seeing it in

1992
01:25:51,520 --> 01:25:53,520
my notes. that experiment.

1993
01:25:53,520 --> 01:25:55,199
>> I mean, do we have enough lighting, do

1994
01:25:55,199 --> 01:25:57,520
you think, in terms of some of the the

1995
01:25:57,520 --> 01:26:03,350
roadways around the pool

1996
01:26:03,360 --> 01:26:04,560
» place? I don't know.

1997
01:26:04,560 --> 01:26:07,280
>> I'm wondering on the road in from um you

1998
01:26:07,280 --> 01:26:09,360
know, the Rose Garden

1999
01:26:09,360 --> 01:26:11,360
>> up into like around Music Haven, is

2000
01:26:11,360 --> 01:26:13,440
there any plan? Are there any plans to

2001
01:26:13,440 --> 01:26:15,199
>> No, there

2002
01:26:15,199 --> 01:26:17,760
>> we can. I am. So, as everybody probably

2003
01:26:17,760 --> 01:26:19,600
knows, the Central Park tennis court

2004
01:26:19,600 --> 01:26:21,679
project is I'm living right now. When

2005
01:26:21,679 --> 01:26:24,159
that is completed, um, we are looking to

2006
01:26:24,159 --> 01:26:27,040
redo Arthur chairs road

2007
01:26:27,040 --> 01:26:28,239
one way.

2008
01:26:28,239 --> 01:26:29,840
>> I can look into it. That would be

2009
01:26:29,840 --> 01:26:31,199
something that would be eligible to be

2010
01:26:31,199 --> 01:26:33,920
put in lighting on Arthur chairs, but I

2011
01:26:33,920 --> 01:26:38,320
haven't looked at it as a whole park.

2012
01:26:38,320 --> 01:26:40,000
>> I It's kind of the first I've heard

2013
01:26:40,000 --> 01:26:40,560
about it.

2014
01:26:40,560 --> 01:26:42,880
>> Okay. Thanks.

2015
01:26:42,880 --> 01:26:44,080
>> Go ahead, please.

2016
01:26:44,080 --> 01:26:46,400
>> Um, so back to the electric vehicle

2017
01:26:46,400 --> 01:26:48,719
charging stations. And you talked about

2018
01:26:48,719 --> 01:26:53,199
you mentioned the couple um in the golf

2019
01:26:53,199 --> 01:26:54,960
at the golf course.

2020
01:26:54,960 --> 01:26:55,920
>> Yes.

2021
01:26:55,920 --> 01:26:59,040
>> Um so as I recall the police department

2022
01:26:59,040 --> 01:27:01,280
recently got a grant for that, right? So

2023
01:27:01,280 --> 01:27:03,920
is this in addition to what the money

2024
01:27:03,920 --> 01:27:06,080
they got? Is the money they got?

2025
01:27:06,080 --> 01:27:07,920
>> This is in addition. So that those

2026
01:27:07,920 --> 01:27:10,320
projects are already happening. We have

2027
01:27:10,320 --> 01:27:14,239
uh Erie Boulevard, the Erie Boulevard,

2028
01:27:14,239 --> 01:27:16,560
the golf course, Lafayette by the police

2029
01:27:16,560 --> 01:27:18,480
station, and I believe there's one other

2030
01:27:18,480 --> 01:27:21,120
location that they're doing right now.

2031
01:27:21,120 --> 01:27:22,480
>> Foster Avenue.

2032
01:27:22,480 --> 01:27:24,000
That's correct. Yep.

2033
01:27:24,000 --> 01:27:25,760
Foster Avenue by the

2034
01:27:25,760 --> 01:27:27,920
>> So, how many you asking? I mean, is this

2035
01:27:27,920 --> 01:27:28,960
for here?

2036
01:27:28,960 --> 01:27:31,040
>> This is four. Let me consult my giant

2037
01:27:31,040 --> 01:27:32,560
folder.

2038
01:27:32,560 --> 01:27:37,189
Um I believe it was 10.

2039
01:27:37,199 --> 01:27:39,280
Uh

2040
01:27:39,280 --> 01:27:40,320
13.

2041
01:27:40,320 --> 01:27:41,120
>> 13.

2042
01:27:41,120 --> 01:27:43,440
>> Yeah, it would this would be good for 13

2043
01:27:43,440 --> 01:27:46,400
uh dual port charging station.

2044
01:27:46,400 --> 01:27:49,760
>> So for I can't remember how much how

2045
01:27:49,760 --> 01:27:51,040
many was it for the police department?

2046
01:27:51,040 --> 01:27:53,760
Just two or was it four?

2047
01:27:53,760 --> 01:27:55,920
>> Well, that's different. Remember the

2048
01:27:55,920 --> 01:27:57,199
police department was getting them under

2049
01:27:57,199 --> 01:27:59,040
a different uh bond.

2050
01:27:59,040 --> 01:28:01,199
>> I understand. Okay. That was getting two

2051
01:28:01,199 --> 01:28:07,120
with two and two with two. So it's four vehicles. That's usually how we do

2052
01:28:07,120 --> 01:28:10,239
it at the bottom. at the golf course, at

2053
01:28:10,239 --> 01:28:12,400
the police station, at Foster Avenue,

2054
01:28:12,400 --> 01:28:13,760
and on Boulevard.

2055
01:28:13,760 --> 01:28:15,600
>> Right. I just want to make sure at the

2056
01:28:15,600 --> 01:28:17,040
golf course we're getting four

2057
01:28:17,040 --> 01:28:17,679
essentially.

2058
01:28:17,679 --> 01:28:19,040
>> Yes, four.

2059
01:28:19,040 --> 01:28:21,360
>> Yeah, that was a really actually pretty

2060
01:28:21,360 --> 01:28:22,880
simple project with those location at

2061
01:28:22,880 --> 01:28:24,320
the time. So, that's good. And it should

2062
01:28:24,320 --> 01:28:30,239
be um almost very we just call them.

2063
01:28:30,239 --> 01:28:33,040
>> And so, are how many are there going to

2064
01:28:33,040 --> 01:28:34,880
be there now?

2065
01:28:34,880 --> 01:28:37,199
>> Of course. No. So, so it would be a

2066
01:28:37,199 --> 01:28:39,360
total of 14 with the 10 is 10 and

2067
01:28:39,360 --> 01:28:44,629
therefore

2068
01:28:44,639 --> 01:28:46,400
it's not 10, it's 13.

2069
01:28:46,400 --> 01:28:47,679
>> Oh, 13.

2070
01:28:47,679 --> 01:28:51,199
>> 13 plus the four. So, 77.

2071
01:28:51,199 --> 01:28:51,520
>> Yes.

2072
01:28:51,520 --> 01:28:58,390
>> And then double that, you have 34 plugs.

2073
01:28:58,400 --> 01:28:59,280
» Go ahead.

2074
01:28:59,280 --> 01:29:01,120
>> Thank you. I have a few questions. and

2075
01:29:01,120 --> 01:29:03,040
everything that you do in your office as

2076
01:29:03,040 --> 01:29:06,159
far as grants. Are there a lot out

2077
01:29:06,159 --> 01:29:07,760
there? Is there someone that um

2078
01:29:07,760 --> 01:29:10,159
particular focuses on grants that might

2079
01:29:10,159 --> 01:29:12,320
be out there for

2080
01:29:12,320 --> 01:29:15,679
charging stations? Um that's my first

2081
01:29:15,679 --> 01:29:16,880
question.

2082
01:29:16,880 --> 01:29:18,320
>> Um well, I believe some of the money

2083
01:29:18,320 --> 01:29:20,639
that we got originally was from uh

2084
01:29:20,639 --> 01:29:22,320
grants

2085
01:29:22,320 --> 01:29:24,480
with the question mark, so we might do

2086
01:29:24,480 --> 01:29:28,480
that. Okay. Um

2087
01:29:28,480 --> 01:29:30,800
next question. As far as the green

2088
01:29:30,800 --> 01:29:32,239
houses, have have you thought of like

2089
01:29:32,239 --> 01:29:36,639
the the um freight farm um like uh the

2090
01:29:36,639 --> 01:29:39,360
city mission has um where they grow

2091
01:29:39,360 --> 01:29:41,199
things hydroponically

2092
01:29:41,199 --> 01:29:43,520
as a alternative to something in the

2093
01:29:43,520 --> 01:29:45,120
greenhouse.

2094
01:29:45,120 --> 01:29:46,880
>> Have you have you been in there or seen

2095
01:29:46,880 --> 01:29:47,679
that

2096
01:29:47,679 --> 01:29:48,719
>> everything grows kind of like

2097
01:29:48,719 --> 01:29:51,440
hydroponically on walls with lights and

2098
01:29:51,440 --> 01:29:52,080
things?

2099
01:29:52,080 --> 01:29:54,639
>> I don't know. Maybe something to look at

2100
01:29:54,639 --> 01:29:57,840
>> as far as as what he put in there. um

2101
01:29:57,840 --> 01:30:01,440
and enough I the I had to pass the

2102
01:30:01,440 --> 01:30:03,840
greenhouse participants not to come just

2103
01:30:03,840 --> 01:30:05,600
because I said they know let's just have

2104
01:30:05,600 --> 01:30:07,600
a normal budget meeting but if if there

2105
01:30:07,600 --> 01:30:10,000
was ever any information they might be

2106
01:30:10,000 --> 01:30:12,480
listening and coming right now

2107
01:30:12,480 --> 01:30:14,960
they're very interested in in promoting

2108
01:30:14,960 --> 01:30:16,800
what they do with the greenhouse so I

2109
01:30:16,800 --> 01:30:18,639
I'm not familiar with the hydroponic I

2110
01:30:18,639 --> 01:30:22,080
do know that the new green houses have

2111
01:30:22,080 --> 01:30:24,480
racks that they do hang things from um

2112
01:30:24,480 --> 01:30:28,960
compared to the old one but that we've

2113
01:30:28,960 --> 01:30:32,320
worked on doing some of the capital

2114
01:30:32,320 --> 01:30:34,960
support the actual plants and other

2115
01:30:34,960 --> 01:30:40,390
things are run by cooperative extension.

2116
01:30:40,400 --> 01:30:43,440
» Um the greenhouse volunteers are looking

2117
01:30:43,440 --> 01:30:47,520
please send us your own recommendation.

2118
01:30:47,520 --> 01:30:48,800
>> We will look at it

2119
01:30:48,800 --> 01:30:52,239
>> the new parking kioses. So I mean going

2120
01:30:52,239 --> 01:30:54,480
with VA and the new system that we're

2121
01:30:54,480 --> 01:30:56,159
going to go through there's nothing

2122
01:30:56,159 --> 01:30:57,679
through them that they can give us some

2123
01:30:57,679 --> 01:30:59,600
money for something to replace some of

2124
01:30:59,600 --> 01:31:01,760
these in

2125
01:31:01,760 --> 01:31:04,480
>> we can ask we

2126
01:31:04,480 --> 01:31:08,000
>> no but a fair point would be is uh I

2127
01:31:08,000 --> 01:31:09,600
don't know if we have signed any kind of

2128
01:31:09,600 --> 01:31:12,880
agreement with goat you know Metroplex

2129
01:31:12,880 --> 01:31:14,639
has gone forward with that I think

2130
01:31:14,639 --> 01:31:15,840
they've actually started already

2131
01:31:15,840 --> 01:31:18,080
changing their their branding but right

2132
01:31:18,080 --> 01:31:21,120
now we have we do not have any type of

2133
01:31:21,120 --> 01:31:23,120
agreement with them that I'm aware of or

2134
01:31:23,120 --> 01:31:24,560
transitioning over to that. So, it's

2135
01:31:24,560 --> 01:31:26,880
something that uh I'll have to follow up

2136
01:31:26,880 --> 01:31:28,800
on. Um

2137
01:31:28,800 --> 01:31:30,639
but that could be part of that

2138
01:31:30,639 --> 01:31:32,320
conversation if they want to contribute

2139
01:31:32,320 --> 01:31:34,400
anything to this to that point.

2140
01:31:34,400 --> 01:31:36,560
>> And another thing is the um I know um

2141
01:31:36,560 --> 01:31:38,639
Central Park is it's considered like a

2142
01:31:38,639 --> 01:31:40,719
New York State Park. There's a lot of

2143
01:31:40,719 --> 01:31:42,560
funding that might happen for there for

2144
01:31:42,560 --> 01:31:45,750
signage.

2145
01:31:45,760 --> 01:31:48,480
» No, a state park. not a state park but

2146
01:31:48,480 --> 01:31:51,040
under New York state parks. Um, have we

2147
01:31:51,040 --> 01:31:52,639
ever looked into anything like that?

2148
01:31:52,639 --> 01:31:55,280
>> I haven't. I can ask but I think our

2149
01:31:55,280 --> 01:31:56,880
consultant would have they do a lot of

2150
01:31:56,880 --> 01:31:58,320
work in state parks and I haven't heard

2151
01:31:58,320 --> 01:32:00,320
anything about a funding opportunity.

2152
01:32:00,320 --> 01:32:00,960
>> Okay.

2153
01:32:00,960 --> 01:32:03,679
>> Um, and the last thing is the lot off of

2154
01:32:03,679 --> 01:32:06,800
Beer Avenue. Um, there's a lot of

2155
01:32:06,800 --> 01:32:08,960
construction, grading, milling going on

2156
01:32:08,960 --> 01:32:10,719
over there. What's what are we going to

2157
01:32:10,719 --> 01:32:12,719
do there outside of a

2158
01:32:12,719 --> 01:32:13,520
>> park?

2159
01:32:13,520 --> 01:32:15,440
>> Right. Is it has it been paved or I

2160
01:32:15,440 --> 01:32:16,719
haven't been by there in quite a while,

2161
01:32:16,719 --> 01:32:19,600
but I know we're looking to

2162
01:32:19,600 --> 01:32:21,199
make a lot of parking there

2163
01:32:21,199 --> 01:32:22,320
>> and and we have.

2164
01:32:22,320 --> 01:32:23,360
>> Yeah. Um

2165
01:32:23,360 --> 01:32:24,960
>> it's open now. There used to be big

2166
01:32:24,960 --> 01:32:25,440
blocks there.

2167
01:32:25,440 --> 01:32:27,120
>> There are blocks, but the blocks are to

2168
01:32:27,120 --> 01:32:29,040
delineate entrance fees. Yes.

2169
01:32:29,040 --> 01:32:32,560
>> Okay. Oh, good. So just the one and then

2170
01:32:32,560 --> 01:32:35,840
um so one of the things that I was

2171
01:32:35,840 --> 01:32:39,520
requested by uh Chris was he asked if we

2172
01:32:39,520 --> 01:32:41,600
could look at

2173
01:32:41,600 --> 01:32:44,320
moving the blocks next year and doing a

2174
01:32:44,320 --> 01:32:47,679
curbed area up front and moved the

2175
01:32:47,679 --> 01:32:49,199
blocks. The blocks are a temporary

2176
01:32:49,199 --> 01:32:51,920
measure to try to delineate where it is.

2177
01:32:51,920 --> 01:32:54,960
and I said that we would work on it um

2178
01:32:54,960 --> 01:32:56,639
possibly then that what we could do is

2179
01:32:56,639 --> 01:33:00,159
make um median areas and then put trees

2180
01:33:00,159 --> 01:33:02,159
in the median areas out front. The

2181
01:33:02,159 --> 01:33:04,560
reason that trees would be difficult

2182
01:33:04,560 --> 01:33:09,520
inside of the parking lot itself is that is uh with all development in the

2183
01:33:09,520 --> 01:33:11,120
city which is a good thing and all the

2184
01:33:11,120 --> 01:33:13,120
utilization of space that is the city's

2185
01:33:13,120 --> 01:33:16,320
primary snow dump and when we do pile

2186
01:33:16,320 --> 01:33:19,440
snow there we use very large

2187
01:33:19,440 --> 01:33:22,639
and um just the trees would would not

2188
01:33:22,639 --> 01:33:24,800
farewell given that what we do there but

2189
01:33:24,800 --> 01:33:28,080
um but so far for everything that we've

2190
01:33:28,080 --> 01:33:30,560
done we made the area put buildings down

2191
01:33:30,560 --> 01:33:31,920
we compacted

2192
01:33:31,920 --> 01:33:34,080
Mike Stron and myself laid out a

2193
01:33:34,080 --> 01:33:37,440
rudimentary parking lot using just uh

2194
01:33:37,440 --> 01:33:40,800
paint in hand and um we had one person

2195
01:33:40,800 --> 01:33:42,239
directing and I I think everything went

2196
01:33:42,239 --> 01:33:43,760
really well for our events. People just

2197
01:33:43,760 --> 01:33:45,440
kind of felt once you set the first

2198
01:33:45,440 --> 01:33:48,080
couple cars up really did work. But I do

2199
01:33:48,080 --> 01:33:51,120
think that softening the entrance with

2200
01:33:51,120 --> 01:33:53,920
some plantings and some curb built up.

2201
01:33:53,920 --> 01:33:55,360
So I'm going to work with Chris on that

2202
01:33:55,360 --> 01:33:58,080
because right now the blocks

2203
01:33:58,080 --> 01:34:01,600
Yeah. There is there a little little

2204
01:34:01,600 --> 01:34:03,520
Thank you.

2205
01:34:03,520 --> 01:34:04,800
>> Go ahead, please.

2206
01:34:04,800 --> 01:34:07,040
>> Actually, this has to So, back to the EB

2207
01:34:07,040 --> 01:34:09,360
starting station. Um, we have a lot

2208
01:34:09,360 --> 01:34:12,400
around city hall. Um, especially this

2209
01:34:12,400 --> 01:34:13,920
question is probably more ground for

2210
01:34:13,920 --> 01:34:17,199
city hall and let me uh what are we

2211
01:34:17,199 --> 01:34:18,719
doing to make sure that someone with a

2212
01:34:18,719 --> 01:34:23,520
gas vehicle doesn't park there?

2213
01:34:23,520 --> 01:34:25,760
>> I think they're all signed to

2214
01:34:25,760 --> 01:34:27,840
>> Yeah, I understand. But,

2215
01:34:27,840 --> 01:34:30,639
>> but they would get ticketed just like

2216
01:34:30,639 --> 01:34:34,080
somebody whose uh year is expired

2217
01:34:34,080 --> 01:34:36,159
parking someone properly

2218
01:34:36,159 --> 01:34:38,880
>> unless it's on the weekend and then

2219
01:34:38,880 --> 01:34:40,880
>> no that would still be ticketed if you

2220
01:34:40,880 --> 01:34:42,880
have a gas vehicle and an electric

2221
01:34:42,880 --> 01:34:44,560
vehicle charging station

2222
01:34:44,560 --> 01:34:46,080
>> but our ticket people don't work on the

2223
01:34:46,080 --> 01:34:47,199
weekends do they

2224
01:34:47,199 --> 01:34:48,480
>> police officers do

2225
01:34:48,480 --> 01:34:53,280
>> oh okay well because I think I um

2226
01:34:53,280 --> 01:34:54,560
was talking about this with somebody

2227
01:34:54,560 --> 01:34:56,880
before that it's happening so I didn't

2228
01:34:56,880 --> 01:34:58,400
know

2229
01:34:58,400 --> 01:35:00,400
uh what the process when someone sees

2230
01:35:00,400 --> 01:35:04,400
it, if they should who they should call.

2231
01:35:04,400 --> 01:35:07,360
>> Um I one of the the things that I have

2232
01:35:07,360 --> 01:35:09,199
been mentally struggling with and

2233
01:35:09,199 --> 01:35:11,360
talking with some people in the MO about

2234
01:35:11,360 --> 01:35:14,159
is um bringing electric vehicle charging

2235
01:35:14,159 --> 01:35:17,679
stations to the city, not the downtown,

2236
01:35:17,679 --> 01:35:18,880
the residents.

2237
01:35:18,880 --> 01:35:20,880
>> Um as you know, not everyone has a

2238
01:35:20,880 --> 01:35:23,360
driveway or garage.

2239
01:35:23,360 --> 01:35:25,600
So, if you're trying to promote electric

2240
01:35:25,600 --> 01:35:27,199
vehicles, but you can't charge an

2241
01:35:27,199 --> 01:35:29,120
electric, that's one of the things that

2242
01:35:29,120 --> 01:35:33,199
everybody's trying to talk about is how do you how would you promote people

2243
01:35:33,199 --> 01:35:35,120
to to use these so you have to put

2244
01:35:35,120 --> 01:35:36,719
electric charging station places that

2245
01:35:36,719 --> 01:35:38,719
are more public or in the neighborhoods.

2246
01:35:38,719 --> 01:35:41,040
So, like I said, we only have we're

2247
01:35:41,040 --> 01:35:43,360
trying to replace, you know, some, but

2248
01:35:43,360 --> 01:35:45,199
there's some extra ones in here that I'm

2249
01:35:45,199 --> 01:35:46,880
looking to try to find some locations

2250
01:35:46,880 --> 01:35:49,280
that are a bit more neighborhood

2251
01:35:49,280 --> 01:35:51,280
oriented so that someone may say, "Hey,

2252
01:35:51,280 --> 01:35:52,800
you know what? I could actually use this

2253
01:35:52,800 --> 01:35:54,800
if I'm in a neighborhood track because

2254
01:35:54,800 --> 01:35:56,880
it is it's challenging. You need to have

2255
01:35:56,880 --> 01:35:58,719
a specific set of circumstances if you

2256
01:35:58,719 --> 01:36:00,880
want to own one or you charge all the

2257
01:36:00,880 --> 01:36:04,239
time at a third party which

2258
01:36:04,239 --> 01:36:06,000
may be feasible but I don't know if I

2259
01:36:06,000 --> 01:36:08,400
want to purchase a vehicle based off of

2260
01:36:08,400 --> 01:36:10,159
that.

2261
01:36:10,159 --> 01:36:11,760
>> Don't is there some way that people can

2262
01:36:11,760 --> 01:36:14,000
have something at their home

2263
01:36:14,000 --> 01:36:16,880
>> for the to charge at their own home?

2264
01:36:16,880 --> 01:36:18,480
>> Yes. to charge that

2265
01:36:18,480 --> 01:36:19,760
>> you can. But that's what I'm getting at

2266
01:36:19,760 --> 01:36:21,199
is usually you wouldn't see out on

2267
01:36:21,199 --> 01:36:21,920
purple.

2268
01:36:21,920 --> 01:36:22,560
>> No,

2269
01:36:22,560 --> 01:36:23,760
>> that's what I'm getting at. And a lot of

2270
01:36:23,760 --> 01:36:27,120
places do not have a driveway or a

2271
01:36:27,120 --> 01:36:29,199
garage or

2272
01:36:29,199 --> 01:36:31,280
>> I a lot of people don't know who

2273
01:36:31,280 --> 01:36:33,040
electric vehicles charge them inside

2274
01:36:33,040 --> 01:36:34,159
their garage.

2275
01:36:34,159 --> 01:36:36,159
>> And if we don't have a garage

2276
01:36:36,159 --> 01:36:40,390
>> or drive makes a little difficult.

2277
01:36:40,400 --> 01:36:42,320
So maybe maybe that's something to think

2278
01:36:42,320 --> 01:36:44,719
about again a partnership with possibly

2279
01:36:44,719 --> 01:36:46,159
the school district because they're

2280
01:36:46,159 --> 01:36:47,600
located in the neighborhoods and then

2281
01:36:47,600 --> 01:36:49,119
like especially we're looking at

2282
01:36:49,119 --> 01:36:51,360
overnight charging then usually

2283
01:36:51,360 --> 01:36:54,400
overnight you know from 5:00 on those

2284
01:36:54,400 --> 01:36:57,199
parking lots aren't usually as much in

2285
01:36:57,199 --> 01:36:59,760
use and I'm sure that especially with

2286
01:36:59,760 --> 01:37:01,760
the governor's push to our electric

2287
01:37:01,760 --> 01:37:04,880
vehicles even the school fleet they um

2288
01:37:04,880 --> 01:37:06,400
like to see it happen like that so maybe

2289
01:37:06,400 --> 01:37:10,480
that's area start I

2290
01:37:10,480 --> 01:37:15,109
That's a good idea. There are lots of

2291
01:37:15,119 --> 01:37:18,149
other

2292
01:37:18,159 --> 01:37:21,679
» Thank you so much.

2293
01:37:21,679 --> 01:37:22,080
No.

2294
01:37:22,080 --> 01:37:24,560
>> So here we can do

2295
01:37:24,560 --> 01:37:31,189
>> let's do

2296
01:37:31,199 --> 01:37:40,870
» here

2297
01:37:40,880 --> 01:37:56,629
85.

2298
01:37:56,639 --> 01:38:04,550
Thanks.

2299
01:38:04,560 --> 01:38:05,760
» We should just walk you through the

2300
01:38:05,760 --> 01:38:08,719
revenue and

2301
01:38:08,719 --> 01:38:14,149
>> expenditure and then with

2302
01:38:14,159 --> 01:38:18,800
» Yep. the uh golf fund um 34.34%

2303
01:38:18,800 --> 01:38:20,719
from 1.69

2304
01:38:20,719 --> 01:38:23,760
approximately 1.731,000

2305
01:38:23,760 --> 01:38:25,280
increase

2306
01:38:25,280 --> 01:38:28,400
um revenues are pretty standard

2307
01:38:28,400 --> 01:38:32,639
across the board uh will be increased

2308
01:38:32,639 --> 01:38:35,040
that um

2309
01:38:35,040 --> 01:38:40,239
and u Mr. The ball will be up in

2310
01:38:40,239 --> 01:38:44,560
January. Uh that's per usual year. Other

2311
01:38:44,560 --> 01:38:50,070
than that status fun,

2312
01:38:50,080 --> 01:38:51,040
you just want to walk us through

2313
01:38:51,040 --> 01:38:52,400
anything, highlight anything that we

2314
01:38:52,400 --> 01:38:54,719
need to know, what's going on with the

2315
01:38:54,719 --> 01:38:57,040
golf course?

2316
01:38:57,040 --> 01:39:03,440
Um specifically, anything just general?

2317
01:39:03,440 --> 01:39:05,199
Again, I mean, as Jer mentioned, really

2318
01:39:05,199 --> 01:39:08,560
nothing much in the

2319
01:39:08,560 --> 01:39:10,239
adapted revenues really. It's pretty

2320
01:39:10,239 --> 01:39:15,520
much the same. Um, we have seen just

2321
01:39:15,520 --> 01:39:16,960
I mean, the last two years have been

2322
01:39:16,960 --> 01:39:19,679
incredible weather with the obviously

2323
01:39:19,679 --> 01:39:21,760
was a kind of a hiccup to start the

2324
01:39:21,760 --> 01:39:26,080
year. The spring really uh rainy, so we

2325
01:39:26,080 --> 01:39:28,320
were kind of behind uh last year's

2326
01:39:28,320 --> 01:39:29,760
revenues for most of the year. We

2327
01:39:29,760 --> 01:39:33,119
managed to catch up um at the beginning

2328
01:39:33,119 --> 01:39:34,480
of this month and I think we're going to

2329
01:39:34,480 --> 01:39:36,000
start being able to pull away from last

2330
01:39:36,000 --> 01:39:38,400
year's numbers now as a result of that.

2331
01:39:38,400 --> 01:39:39,760
But it took us a while to get there when

2332
01:39:39,760 --> 01:39:43,280
we finally did get past that hurdle. Um

2333
01:39:43,280 --> 01:39:45,840
I would probably say since mid June

2334
01:39:45,840 --> 01:39:48,000
right through to now I mean the

2335
01:39:48,000 --> 01:39:51,280
weather's been incredible and it showed

2336
01:39:51,280 --> 01:39:53,600
um just the amount of people that we've

2337
01:39:53,600 --> 01:39:55,840
been able to bring through there. I

2338
01:39:55,840 --> 01:39:57,920
think golf courses in general rest the

2339
01:39:57,920 --> 01:40:00,800
capital region have really um seen a lot

2340
01:40:00,800 --> 01:40:02,480
of success this year. Well, the last two

2341
01:40:02,480 --> 01:40:04,800
years really but uh it was a nice

2342
01:40:04,800 --> 01:40:08,480
turnaround because it was it it didn't

2343
01:40:08,480 --> 01:40:09,840
look it was kind of bleak in the

2344
01:40:09,840 --> 01:40:14,070
beginning of the year. Sure.

2345
01:40:14,080 --> 01:40:15,760
» Yes.

2346
01:40:15,760 --> 01:40:20,000
So you staffing your your um your

2347
01:40:20,000 --> 01:40:23,119
staffing is showing an increase of food

2348
01:40:23,119 --> 01:40:25,920
position into the 2026 budget. You want

2349
01:40:25,920 --> 01:40:27,760
to highlight the reason?

2350
01:40:27,760 --> 01:40:30,159
>> Yeah, it's just because we're we become

2351
01:40:30,159 --> 01:40:32,400
so busy and we like to just fill a

2352
01:40:32,400 --> 01:40:35,440
couple of areas. Um

2353
01:40:35,440 --> 01:40:36,719
and of course I don't like to have

2354
01:40:36,719 --> 01:40:39,040
burnout with some staff members. So it's

2355
01:40:39,040 --> 01:40:42,320
nice to have some extra people on hand

2356
01:40:42,320 --> 01:40:45,199
to fill certain roles.

2357
01:40:45,199 --> 01:40:49,600
um when we are busier for sure.

2358
01:40:49,600 --> 01:40:51,679
In terms of the number of attendants,

2359
01:40:51,679 --> 01:40:54,000
the fee increase we've had, you know,

2360
01:40:54,000 --> 01:40:55,760
minor fee increase over the last couple

2361
01:40:55,760 --> 01:40:57,440
years,

2362
01:40:57,440 --> 01:41:01,360
>> does that affecting the the numbers, the

2363
01:41:01,360 --> 01:41:04,159
attendance at the golf course in terms

2364
01:41:04,159 --> 01:41:06,639
of the fees in terms of numbers? Are we

2365
01:41:06,639 --> 01:41:08,560
seeing a trend upward trend in terms of

2366
01:41:08,560 --> 01:41:11,040
attendance?

2367
01:41:11,040 --> 01:41:12,880
Um, I think it's just pretty much

2368
01:41:12,880 --> 01:41:15,679
plateaued. You can only put in so many

2369
01:41:15,679 --> 01:41:19,280
rounds a day and I think we we're just

2370
01:41:19,280 --> 01:41:21,760
seeing that number almost maximum every

2371
01:41:21,760 --> 01:41:22,880
year.

2372
01:41:22,880 --> 01:41:24,800
>> I don't I don't really see a decrease

2373
01:41:24,800 --> 01:41:28,480
because of the fees going up at all.

2374
01:41:28,480 --> 01:41:31,199
>> The weather was a dampening factor in

2375
01:41:31,199 --> 01:41:33,840
spring tendency was down. But the

2376
01:41:33,840 --> 01:41:37,600
problem now is max out of tea times. If

2377
01:41:37,600 --> 01:41:39,760
people don't have the ability to

2378
01:41:39,760 --> 01:41:42,159
collect, there sign up, get in there.

2379
01:41:42,159 --> 01:41:45,920
There's still slots on Sunday afternoon

2380
01:41:45,920 --> 01:41:48,800
that are open that tend to be slow and

2381
01:41:48,800 --> 01:41:51,600
maybe a little bit later on Saturday,

2382
01:41:51,600 --> 01:41:54,480
but otherwise you wait in line to play

2383
01:41:54,480 --> 01:41:58,400
golf. It's a great facility and it's in

2384
01:41:58,400 --> 01:41:59,920
tiptop shape.

2385
01:41:59,920 --> 01:42:02,320
>> So, how how is a new improvement working

2386
01:42:02,320 --> 01:42:06,080
out the RP location that you made to

2387
01:42:06,080 --> 01:42:07,760
>> Oh my god. Do you want to talk about

2388
01:42:07,760 --> 01:42:10,159
that? Highlight that.

2389
01:42:10,159 --> 01:42:12,400
So, yeah, the new irrigation system

2390
01:42:12,400 --> 01:42:15,199
install has been I mean didn't come out

2391
01:42:15,199 --> 01:42:17,920
on high, right, Chris? We had some minor

2392
01:42:17,920 --> 01:42:20,000
bumps on the road with the install. Some

2393
01:42:20,000 --> 01:42:21,840
of the heads were sticking, a little bit

2394
01:42:21,840 --> 01:42:23,199
issue with the pump station, but once

2395
01:42:23,199 --> 01:42:26,159
those resolved, I mean,

2396
01:42:26,159 --> 01:42:27,840
>> I've been at that golf course for this

2397
01:42:27,840 --> 01:42:30,800
is my 14th year as head professional.

2398
01:42:30,800 --> 01:42:34,800
Um, even as a kid growing up,

2399
01:42:34,800 --> 01:42:37,040
it's pretty remarkable. I have never

2400
01:42:37,040 --> 01:42:38,639
seen a golf course look in the condition

2401
01:42:38,639 --> 01:42:40,880
that it is right now. I was at the Ryder

2402
01:42:40,880 --> 01:42:44,480
Cup at Beth Paige a few weeks ago

2403
01:42:44,480 --> 01:42:46,080
>> and you look at the shape of the holes

2404
01:42:46,080 --> 01:42:47,760
and you know you can tell when a golf

2405
01:42:47,760 --> 01:42:50,880
course has a high punch. You just just

2406
01:42:50,880 --> 01:42:52,560
by the way it's manicured. It's just as

2407
01:42:52,560 --> 01:42:54,400
simple as that.

2408
01:42:54,400 --> 01:42:56,080
>> You look down the first fairway of our

2409
01:42:56,080 --> 01:42:58,480
golf course and I'm like man it's not

2410
01:42:58,480 --> 01:43:00,719
that much different. I mean, just the

2411
01:43:00,719 --> 01:43:03,119
definition of it,

2412
01:43:03,119 --> 01:43:05,600
just the the plane condition, but that's

2413
01:43:05,600 --> 01:43:09,040
the one area that I hear mostly from

2414
01:43:09,040 --> 01:43:11,360
golfers all over the Capitol region that

2415
01:43:11,360 --> 01:43:14,480
come here. They're like, "This place."

2416
01:43:14,480 --> 01:43:17,119
>> I mean, I think the biggest complaint

2417
01:43:17,119 --> 01:43:19,440
now is the rough is too hard. The grass

2418
01:43:19,440 --> 01:43:21,360
is too long in the rough. But see, the

2419
01:43:21,360 --> 01:43:24,320
issue is that the rough never got the

2420
01:43:24,320 --> 01:43:26,960
watering system to hit those areas. Now,

2421
01:43:26,960 --> 01:43:29,679
it is. It's healthy. So now they're

2422
01:43:29,679 --> 01:43:31,840
discovering it's it's a little more

2423
01:43:31,840 --> 01:43:33,920
difficult in in that respect, but it's

2424
01:43:33,920 --> 01:43:36,000
not because the grass is longer, it's

2425
01:43:36,000 --> 01:43:37,600
healthier.

2426
01:43:37,600 --> 01:43:39,199
>> And that's the one and actually they've

2427
01:43:39,199 --> 01:43:40,719
cut the grass a little bit shorter in

2428
01:43:40,719 --> 01:43:42,320
that regard, but because it's thick and

2429
01:43:42,320 --> 01:43:44,400
healthy. So I mean, you see it in in

2430
01:43:44,400 --> 01:43:47,119
neighborhoods when when a person really

2431
01:43:47,119 --> 01:43:48,800
takes care of their lawn and so they're

2432
01:43:48,800 --> 01:43:50,320
well manicured. You go on there, you see

2433
01:43:50,320 --> 01:43:52,000
how healthy the grass is. That's what

2434
01:43:52,000 --> 01:43:54,880
it's like at our facility. Every square

2435
01:43:54,880 --> 01:43:57,440
inch of it.

2436
01:43:57,440 --> 01:43:59,360
How how is the new vendor the concession

2437
01:43:59,360 --> 01:44:02,719
side working on? Fantastic. Mr. Nick's

2438
01:44:02,719 --> 01:44:05,119
been great. He's um I mean that that's

2439
01:44:05,119 --> 01:44:06,960
another area. He's completely

2440
01:44:06,960 --> 01:44:09,280
transformed. If anybody's been in there,

2441
01:44:09,280 --> 01:44:12,719
you see it's it's u it's a complete 180

2442
01:44:12,719 --> 01:44:14,960
from what it's been. I mean, I June and

2443
01:44:14,960 --> 01:44:16,719
Dave did a very nice job for what they

2444
01:44:16,719 --> 01:44:19,040
had, but he's brought it to a different

2445
01:44:19,040 --> 01:44:22,239
level. It's much more professional. Um

2446
01:44:22,239 --> 01:44:24,639
just the look of the the facility in

2447
01:44:24,639 --> 01:44:26,719
general. It's more accommodating. And

2448
01:44:26,719 --> 01:44:28,159
he's getting people that aren't there to

2449
01:44:28,159 --> 01:44:32,880
play golf. They're just coming there to frequent the place.

2450
01:44:32,880 --> 01:44:34,880
>> It's Yeah. Yeah. We actually did a

2451
01:44:34,880 --> 01:44:36,480
wedding there.

2452
01:44:36,480 --> 01:44:38,800
>> That was a first.

2453
01:44:38,800 --> 01:44:41,360
>> Yeah. There's an event tent down. Yeah.

2454
01:44:41,360 --> 01:44:42,800
There's an event tent down between the

2455
01:44:42,800 --> 01:44:45,199
9th and 18th green just beside one of

2456
01:44:45,199 --> 01:44:46,719
the practice screens. And you can see it

2457
01:44:46,719 --> 01:44:48,960
coming up 18 and 9. It kind of sits in

2458
01:44:48,960 --> 01:44:51,760
the background. And he uses that for

2459
01:44:51,760 --> 01:44:52,960
special events. So it's more

2460
01:44:52,960 --> 01:44:55,440
accommodating for other things. Um and

2461
01:44:55,440 --> 01:44:57,760
he's util utilizing every inch of that

2462
01:44:57,760 --> 01:45:00,400
space. So he's done a tremendous job

2463
01:45:00,400 --> 01:45:02,719
>> talking about that. A couple years ago

2464
01:45:02,719 --> 01:45:06,080
we had um body typically.

2465
01:45:06,080 --> 01:45:08,159
That's it. So is that that's going to be

2466
01:45:08,159 --> 01:45:10,960
up on his office and it's available for

2467
01:45:10,960 --> 01:45:12,800
people to rent for special event.

2468
01:45:12,800 --> 01:45:13,280
>> Yes.

2469
01:45:13,280 --> 01:45:14,560
>> It's been up.

2470
01:45:14,560 --> 01:45:16,800
>> Yes. I believe he has been.

2471
01:45:16,800 --> 01:45:17,360
>> He has.

2472
01:45:17,360 --> 01:45:21,030
>> Yeah.

2473
01:45:21,040 --> 01:45:24,000
» Miss

2474
01:45:24,000 --> 01:45:29,440
questions uh under revenue CR2012

2475
01:45:29,440 --> 01:45:33,600
utility reimbur. So it was like 12

2476
01:45:33,600 --> 01:45:38,239
>> 12,23 and 50,000 down from 25 back up.

2477
01:45:38,239 --> 01:45:39,520
Can you tell us what that's for?

2478
01:45:39,520 --> 01:45:41,360
>> Utility reimbursement. Chris.

2479
01:45:41,360 --> 01:45:44,000
>> Yeah. Eric

2480
01:45:44,000 --> 01:45:45,199
utility reimbursement. you're handling

2481
01:45:45,199 --> 01:45:46,639
the reimbursement end of it. I mean,

2482
01:45:46,639 --> 01:45:48,719
he's really reimbursing the meter

2483
01:45:48,719 --> 01:45:51,040
values. So, even that that number there

2484
01:45:51,040 --> 01:45:52,639
is kind of it's a pass through more or

2485
01:45:52,639 --> 01:45:54,800
less, right?

2486
01:45:54,800 --> 01:45:59,280
>> Right. So, but we're not

2487
01:45:59,280 --> 01:46:02,239
>> that number is actually probably but one

2488
01:46:02,239 --> 01:46:03,920
of the things is that really isn't a

2489
01:46:03,920 --> 01:46:06,159
revenue because there isn't an expense

2490
01:46:06,159 --> 01:46:08,320
to offset it. So, that's something maybe

2491
01:46:08,320 --> 01:46:11,040
we have to look at. He is the the

2492
01:46:11,040 --> 01:46:12,960
building is great. The building is

2493
01:46:12,960 --> 01:46:15,119
metered to two meters. One meter is our

2494
01:46:15,119 --> 01:46:17,520
meter, one meter is his meter.

2495
01:46:17,520 --> 01:46:19,119
>> The city as the owner of the building

2496
01:46:19,119 --> 01:46:22,239
receives the bill and we issue me to him

2497
01:46:22,239 --> 01:46:24,800
every month for that amount. Um, and I

2498
01:46:24,800 --> 01:46:26,639
believe that he would, but I don't know

2499
01:46:26,639 --> 01:46:28,880
if it actually gets reported at revenue.

2500
01:46:28,880 --> 01:46:29,920
I don't know if it does.

2501
01:46:29,920 --> 01:46:30,400
>> It does.

2502
01:46:30,400 --> 01:46:33,520
So, right now we up to

2503
01:46:33,520 --> 01:46:35,600
>> I don't know,

2504
01:46:35,600 --> 01:46:37,119
but

2505
01:46:37,119 --> 01:46:39,360
>> but it's it's a net it's a net zero. The

2506
01:46:39,360 --> 01:46:41,119
city does not make money. The city does

2507
01:46:41,119 --> 01:46:43,840
not lose money. is paying for a meter

2508
01:46:43,840 --> 01:46:44,480
from pitch,

2509
01:46:44,480 --> 01:46:46,719
>> right? So, it's really So, based on that

2510
01:46:46,719 --> 01:46:47,920
explanation, it's really not revenue,

2511
01:46:47,920 --> 01:46:52,790
just getting reimbursed because

2512
01:46:52,800 --> 01:46:56,320
» Oh, I'm sorry. In part two, um

2513
01:46:56,320 --> 01:46:58,239
the seasonal memberships

2514
01:46:58,239 --> 01:47:00,080
>> went down significantly.

2515
01:47:00,080 --> 01:47:00,880
>> Yeah,

2516
01:47:00,880 --> 01:47:04,159
>> that's on that's on purpose.

2517
01:47:04,159 --> 01:47:06,639
>> Yeah. So we we we raised it we raised it

2518
01:47:06,639 --> 01:47:09,040
what three or four years ago to a

2519
01:47:09,040 --> 01:47:11,199
different number significantly higher

2520
01:47:11,199 --> 01:47:12,960
than they were which we felt that they

2521
01:47:12,960 --> 01:47:14,560
were undervalued.

2522
01:47:14,560 --> 01:47:17,600
>> Um and we are municipal courts after

2523
01:47:17,600 --> 01:47:18,960
all. We didn't want to turn it into a

2524
01:47:18,960 --> 01:47:21,520
more of a private club style place or

2525
01:47:21,520 --> 01:47:23,760
just membership type style.

2526
01:47:23,760 --> 01:47:26,320
>> Um so I think there was a lot of players

2527
01:47:26,320 --> 01:47:28,400
that were turned off by that. They

2528
01:47:28,400 --> 01:47:29,920
didn't they decided not to get the

2529
01:47:29,920 --> 01:47:32,719
season membership or season pass rather.

2530
01:47:32,719 --> 01:47:35,760
And I've noticed it's cyclical. There'll

2531
01:47:35,760 --> 01:47:37,280
be there'll be years where we'll get

2532
01:47:37,280 --> 01:47:38,639
people that are interested and they're

2533
01:47:38,639 --> 01:47:40,000
all gung-hong and say, "Yeah, I want to

2534
01:47:40,000 --> 01:47:41,760
get it." And the number goes up, then it

2535
01:47:41,760 --> 01:47:45,280
comes and flows. Um,

2536
01:47:45,280 --> 01:47:47,199
I personally like it when that number's

2537
01:47:47,199 --> 01:47:48,719
lower because we're able to get it more

2538
01:47:48,719 --> 01:47:50,800
agree. I think we do better revenue wise

2539
01:47:50,800 --> 01:47:53,119
when the season memberships are lower.

2540
01:47:53,119 --> 01:47:56,320
And my So, one of the things I just

2541
01:47:56,320 --> 01:47:57,760
wanted to point out with Matt, I think

2542
01:47:57,760 --> 01:48:00,800
you detailed it. One of the things that

2543
01:48:00,800 --> 01:48:04,480
Matt has to has to handle which is a big

2544
01:48:04,480 --> 01:48:08,000
task and what we work together on is t

2545
01:48:08,000 --> 01:48:11,679
times the final. So you know I can

2546
01:48:11,679 --> 01:48:14,320
honestly right now tell you the maximum

2547
01:48:14,320 --> 01:48:16,000
amount of revenue the course could make.

2548
01:48:16,000 --> 01:48:18,000
It's just an equation. It's the amount

2549
01:48:18,000 --> 01:48:20,960
of tea times times the amount of days

2550
01:48:20,960 --> 01:48:23,440
that were open times a non-resident rate

2551
01:48:23,440 --> 01:48:24,800
for the car. And I could show you that

2552
01:48:24,800 --> 01:48:26,400
number and I this is the maximum this

2553
01:48:26,400 --> 01:48:29,119
portion is ever going to make. But what

2554
01:48:29,119 --> 01:48:31,600
Matt really is managing which is

2555
01:48:31,600 --> 01:48:34,080
difficult is you have events, you have

2556
01:48:34,080 --> 01:48:36,560
leagues, you have the public and you

2557
01:48:36,560 --> 01:48:38,719
have season passholders. You have those

2558
01:48:38,719 --> 01:48:40,480
four categories and I might be missing

2559
01:48:40,480 --> 01:48:42,159
one. Correct me if I'm wrong. And we

2560
01:48:42,159 --> 01:48:44,159
have to manage how we have those four

2561
01:48:44,159 --> 01:48:47,199
categories into this finite block of

2562
01:48:47,199 --> 01:48:51,119
times. If Matt wanted to, he could book

2563
01:48:51,119 --> 01:48:54,400
an event almost every single day,

2564
01:48:54,400 --> 01:48:56,000
but then the public won't be able to

2565
01:48:56,000 --> 01:48:58,159
play the golf course. Similarly, a

2566
01:48:58,159 --> 01:48:59,840
league. He has a waiting list, I

2567
01:48:59,840 --> 01:49:01,040
believe, for leagues. We could have

2568
01:49:01,040 --> 01:49:03,199
leagues go from 9:00 am to 5:00 pm. Once

2569
01:49:03,199 --> 01:49:05,040
again, then the public cannot play the

2570
01:49:05,040 --> 01:49:05,920
golf course.

2571
01:49:05,920 --> 01:49:07,840
>> So, it's a balance of when do we

2572
01:49:07,840 --> 01:49:09,760
actually allow leagues to come and if a

2573
01:49:09,760 --> 01:49:11,600
league goes, there's a back when we want

2574
01:49:11,600 --> 01:49:13,040
to some public events. We stopped having

2575
01:49:13,040 --> 01:49:14,480
events on certain days.

2576
01:49:14,480 --> 01:49:17,440
>> Yeah. We haven't we've decided not to

2577
01:49:17,440 --> 01:49:19,520
take events on weekends just because

2578
01:49:19,520 --> 01:49:22,560
that's a peak time for us uh the most

2579
01:49:22,560 --> 01:49:24,000
popular time for the general public to

2580
01:49:24,000 --> 01:49:25,760
be able to play the golf course. But as

2581
01:49:25,760 --> 01:49:27,600
Chris described, those four entities,

2582
01:49:27,600 --> 01:49:30,080
they all have important value to the

2583
01:49:30,080 --> 01:49:31,840
course. It's important to have events

2584
01:49:31,840 --> 01:49:32,480
there

2585
01:49:32,480 --> 01:49:34,159
>> so you can showcase the golf course.

2586
01:49:34,159 --> 01:49:36,400
It's important to have play. And of

2587
01:49:36,400 --> 01:49:38,400
course, it's extremely important to have

2588
01:49:38,400 --> 01:49:41,679
regular. Um, and all four serve a

2589
01:49:41,679 --> 01:49:44,000
purpose for that facility.

2590
01:49:44,000 --> 01:49:46,000
But trying to balance them all is the

2591
01:49:46,000 --> 01:49:51,910
tricky part.

2592
01:49:51,920 --> 01:49:54,560
» That was my question.

2593
01:49:54,560 --> 01:49:56,880
membership was down 40%. But I know

2594
01:49:56,880 --> 01:50:00,480
there's a huge hike in increase and um

2595
01:50:00,480 --> 01:50:02,000
so that works out well especially

2596
01:50:02,000 --> 01:50:04,159
balancing everything out

2597
01:50:04,159 --> 01:50:06,400
>> and golfing there.

2598
01:50:06,400 --> 01:50:07,040
>> Yeah.

2599
01:50:07,040 --> 01:50:09,760
>> Two times a week. The course is just

2600
01:50:09,760 --> 01:50:11,679
beautiful. And on those hot days when

2601
01:50:11,679 --> 01:50:13,600
the sprinklers go off, it's nice to run

2602
01:50:13,600 --> 01:50:15,679
underneath them.

2603
01:50:15,679 --> 01:50:19,119
And we do complain about now the burst

2604
01:50:19,119 --> 01:50:22,000
of the rough being way too rough to get

2605
01:50:22,000 --> 01:50:24,080
out of, but it's because the grass is so

2606
01:50:24,080 --> 01:50:27,360
healthy and hopefully we can set it up a

2607
01:50:27,360 --> 01:50:28,719
little bit instead of playing the ball

2608
01:50:28,719 --> 01:50:30,480
where it lies

2609
01:50:30,480 --> 01:50:32,800
>> like

2610
01:50:32,800 --> 01:50:34,400
that.

2611
01:50:34,400 --> 01:50:36,719
>> But it is it's Thank you for everything

2612
01:50:36,719 --> 01:50:39,440
that you do there. Mr. Mati has been a

2613
01:50:39,440 --> 01:50:41,360
nice addition to your team up there.

2614
01:50:41,360 --> 01:50:43,040
Yeah, just agree.

2615
01:50:43,040 --> 01:50:46,000
>> And of course the parlor.

2616
01:50:46,000 --> 01:50:46,960
>> Yeah,

2617
01:50:46,960 --> 01:50:48,719
>> it's been good. I mean, there's a lot of

2618
01:50:48,719 --> 01:50:50,480
times there's we're coming in from

2619
01:50:50,480 --> 01:50:52,239
league play and there's not any room for

2620
01:50:52,239 --> 01:50:54,320
us to kind of sit or hang out because so

2621
01:50:54,320 --> 01:50:56,159
many people are there from different

2622
01:50:56,159 --> 01:50:59,119
organizations. One being the whole um

2623
01:50:59,119 --> 01:51:01,280
lacrosse team from this game was

2624
01:51:01,280 --> 01:51:02,719
>> Yeah. The beginning of the year, right?

2625
01:51:02,719 --> 01:51:04,719
>> Yeah. So, it was um you know, but they

2626
01:51:04,719 --> 01:51:08,159
we you know, we whatever. So, it's it's

2627
01:51:08,159 --> 01:51:09,840
a good thing. Everything moving forward

2628
01:51:09,840 --> 01:51:13,520
there is perfect. Thank you.

2629
01:51:13,520 --> 01:51:16,639
>> Go ahead.

2630
01:51:16,639 --> 01:51:18,560
>> Okay. So, so, so the golf course is

2631
01:51:18,560 --> 01:51:20,000
making money for the city.

2632
01:51:20,000 --> 01:51:20,400
>> What's that?

2633
01:51:20,400 --> 01:51:21,679
>> I said so the golf course is making

2634
01:51:21,679 --> 01:51:24,480
money for the city and when um so we're

2635
01:51:24,480 --> 01:51:26,080
not like taking any money out of the

2636
01:51:26,080 --> 01:51:27,440
general fund to support the golf

2637
01:51:27,440 --> 01:51:29,760
courses. It's quite the opposite.

2638
01:51:29,760 --> 01:51:30,239
>> Correct.

2639
01:51:30,239 --> 01:51:34,159
>> Right. So if so kind of to Mr. point.

2640
01:51:34,159 --> 01:51:35,840
It's

2641
01:51:35,840 --> 01:51:39,119
if you kind of managed it just a little

2642
01:51:39,119 --> 01:51:42,239
differently um to maybe allow some more

2643
01:51:42,239 --> 01:51:44,480
of the and it might cut down the

2644
01:51:44,480 --> 01:51:46,320
availability of the public, you know,

2645
01:51:46,320 --> 01:51:47,920
being a municipal golf course, I need I

2646
01:51:47,920 --> 01:51:50,000
have to balance those tensions. I'm just

2647
01:51:50,000 --> 01:51:52,159
thinking like how much would you have to

2648
01:51:52,159 --> 01:51:55,599
change or is it that formula? is it's so

2649
01:51:55,599 --> 01:51:57,679
specific that you could say, "Oh, if we

2650
01:51:57,679 --> 01:52:00,480
um opened it up to a league or two more

2651
01:52:00,480 --> 01:52:03,360
leagues this many times a year, it would

2652
01:52:03,360 --> 01:52:07,040
generate this amount of uh revenue." Um

2653
01:52:07,040 --> 01:52:12,800
I'm thinking um u quite um selfishly

2654
01:52:12,800 --> 01:52:14,560
about like how could we manage that and

2655
01:52:14,560 --> 01:52:17,199
maybe produce some revenue for our

2656
01:52:17,199 --> 01:52:20,239
existing youth employment line that that

2657
01:52:20,239 --> 01:52:22,400
I'm just kind of bouncing that idea out

2658
01:52:22,400 --> 01:52:24,719
there. Actually, my question is very

2659
01:52:24,719 --> 01:52:28,470
much related to

2660
01:52:28,480 --> 01:52:30,080
Max has really done a great job of

2661
01:52:30,080 --> 01:52:31,520
balancing the whole thing. And the one

2662
01:52:31,520 --> 01:52:34,320
factor right now to drive revenue what

2663
01:52:34,320 --> 01:52:37,280
is slightly beyond our control. It's the

2664
01:52:37,280 --> 01:52:38,000
weather.

2665
01:52:38,000 --> 01:52:40,159
>> You get a nice day. People are there

2666
01:52:40,159 --> 01:52:41,440
playing golf.

2667
01:52:41,440 --> 01:52:44,800
>> It's pouring rain. It drops the revenue

2668
01:52:44,800 --> 01:52:47,280
pretty much to what is it? Zero.

2669
01:52:47,280 --> 01:52:49,520
>> Yeah.

2670
01:52:49,520 --> 01:52:53,599
But you know, you look at that balance

2671
01:52:53,599 --> 01:52:56,159
and I understand what you're saying, but

2672
01:52:56,159 --> 01:52:58,000
>> there's not a simple thing. If you give

2673
01:52:58,000 --> 01:53:00,480
one lead, you're going to get x number

2674
01:53:00,480 --> 01:53:02,080
of dollars because you're going to lose

2675
01:53:02,080 --> 01:53:05,920
some free play uh from the uh general

2676
01:53:05,920 --> 01:53:08,560
public, but it's just if you've got good

2677
01:53:08,560 --> 01:53:10,080
weather,

2678
01:53:10,080 --> 01:53:12,320
>> they get more people.

2679
01:53:12,320 --> 01:53:14,400
So, I guess to kind of because I think

2680
01:53:14,400 --> 01:53:16,320
we're all on the same page here. So,

2681
01:53:16,320 --> 01:53:21,520
like maybe looking at um I mean I would

2682
01:53:21,520 --> 01:53:24,239
love to see it go to 300,000. That's I

2683
01:53:24,239 --> 01:53:27,599
don't know. But if if maybe to

2684
01:53:27,599 --> 01:53:29,599
increase the membership fees slightly

2685
01:53:29,599 --> 01:53:32,719
across all the fees to generate

2686
01:53:32,719 --> 01:53:34,880
$150,000,

2687
01:53:34,880 --> 01:53:36,480
>> I don't know how much that would, you

2688
01:53:36,480 --> 01:53:38,080
know, how much that would increase it

2689
01:53:38,080 --> 01:53:40,080
for an individual

2690
01:53:40,080 --> 01:53:42,080
member. Just trying to figure out how do

2691
01:53:42,080 --> 01:53:43,040
we do that.

2692
01:53:43,040 --> 01:53:45,840
>> So yeah, so the season passes when you

2693
01:53:45,840 --> 01:53:48,800
most of them will look at it in terms of

2694
01:53:48,800 --> 01:53:51,360
so let's say a non-resident

2695
01:53:51,360 --> 01:53:54,320
is I think it's $2,100 off the top of my

2696
01:53:54,320 --> 01:53:54,880
head.

2697
01:53:54,880 --> 01:53:55,360
>> Sure.

2698
01:53:55,360 --> 01:53:59,360
>> They're going to dissect that number

2699
01:53:59,360 --> 01:54:00,960
every which way they can think of.

2700
01:54:00,960 --> 01:54:01,360
>> Sure.

2701
01:54:01,360 --> 01:54:02,719
>> How many rounds do I need to play to

2702
01:54:02,719 --> 01:54:05,040
make sure that I can get my value? And

2703
01:54:05,040 --> 01:54:06,400
then there's going to be a few that say

2704
01:54:06,400 --> 01:54:08,000
they don't care. It's the convenience of

2705
01:54:08,000 --> 01:54:10,320
it. I can book eight days in advance as

2706
01:54:10,320 --> 01:54:12,159
opposed to seventh. It's convenient for

2707
01:54:12,159 --> 01:54:14,639
me. I like that. So, I'm going to do it.

2708
01:54:14,639 --> 01:54:17,119
So, it depends on the person's, I guess,

2709
01:54:17,119 --> 01:54:20,560
interest in that regard. Um, but yeah, I

2710
01:54:20,560 --> 01:54:21,840
mean, you could you could raise it to

2711
01:54:21,840 --> 01:54:24,400
any number you want, but what are they

2712
01:54:24,400 --> 01:54:27,119
getting for the value, but it's not a

2713
01:54:27,119 --> 01:54:28,880
typical golf course. I was saying they

2714
01:54:28,880 --> 01:54:31,119
got this pool, locker room, tennis

2715
01:54:31,119 --> 01:54:33,040
facilities. We have a lot of those

2716
01:54:33,040 --> 01:54:34,480
things already, but they're just in

2717
01:54:34,480 --> 01:54:37,280
separate entities. We have a public, we

2718
01:54:37,280 --> 01:54:39,199
have the tennis courts, pickle ball, and

2719
01:54:39,199 --> 01:54:40,480
all that, but they're located throughout

2720
01:54:40,480 --> 01:54:44,000
the city. It's not in one specific

2721
01:54:44,000 --> 01:54:45,760
facility. Like at Mohawk Club, for

2722
01:54:45,760 --> 01:54:47,199
instance, you go there, they have a

2723
01:54:47,199 --> 01:54:48,400
pool, they have locker room, they have

2724
01:54:48,400 --> 01:54:50,639
clubhouse. Um, everything is right

2725
01:54:50,639 --> 01:54:52,159
there, centrally located. It's very

2726
01:54:52,159 --> 01:54:53,599
convenient.

2727
01:54:53,599 --> 01:54:55,440
>> But their membership are their

2728
01:54:55,440 --> 01:54:57,599
membership fees are $10,000 for a family

2729
01:54:57,599 --> 01:54:58,320
of four.

2730
01:54:58,320 --> 01:55:00,320
>> Right. So, there's a lot of daylight in

2731
01:55:00,320 --> 01:55:01,679
between that and talking about how

2732
01:55:01,679 --> 01:55:03,520
amazing to your point and everyone's

2733
01:55:03,520 --> 01:55:05,280
point, how amazing our golf course is.

2734
01:55:05,280 --> 01:55:07,280
That looks I'm just imagining that there

2735
01:55:07,280 --> 01:55:09,920
might be some um some opportunities

2736
01:55:09,920 --> 01:55:12,159
there to to to increase revenue

2737
01:55:12,159 --> 01:55:14,000
especially for um that line of

2738
01:55:14,000 --> 01:55:15,199
particular

2739
01:55:15,199 --> 01:55:18,320
>> were to do something like that then I

2740
01:55:18,320 --> 01:55:21,199
would ask that you you own it

2741
01:55:21,199 --> 01:55:21,760
>> which is

2742
01:55:21,760 --> 01:55:22,560
>> say again

2743
01:55:22,560 --> 01:55:25,679
>> like but years ago right we got a 75th

2744
01:55:25,679 --> 01:55:26,960
anniversary fee

2745
01:55:26,960 --> 01:55:29,040
>> and you knew what it was we were

2746
01:55:29,040 --> 01:55:31,119
charging a dollar extra around for the

2747
01:55:31,119 --> 01:55:34,159
75th anniversary fee went into a pot and

2748
01:55:34,159 --> 01:55:36,080
that was used. We bought benches and we

2749
01:55:36,080 --> 01:55:37,679
did some improvements off the 75th

2750
01:55:37,679 --> 01:55:40,480
anniversary fee. So if you are looking

2751
01:55:40,480 --> 01:55:43,199
for the golf course to fund a parks

2752
01:55:43,199 --> 01:55:49,040
youth a program, then I would say you don't hide the fee. You don't you

2753
01:55:49,040 --> 01:55:51,199
know you put it out there and you put a

2754
01:55:51,199 --> 01:55:53,360
poster on the golf course and you say

2755
01:55:53,360 --> 01:55:56,320
that like the city of Skenctity fees are

2756
01:55:56,320 --> 01:55:58,639
helping fund X. So maybe, you know,

2757
01:55:58,639 --> 01:56:00,000
you're going to get the cranky old

2758
01:56:00,000 --> 01:56:01,599
people that have been there for 50 years

2759
01:56:01,599 --> 01:56:02,880
that'll say, "I can't believe the fees

2760
01:56:02,880 --> 01:56:05,280
went up to $2 instead of one." But, you

2761
01:56:05,280 --> 01:56:07,280
know, you're giving us to say this is

2762
01:56:07,280 --> 01:56:08,719
what we're doing with it. This is the

2763
01:56:08,719 --> 01:56:10,400
part between that. The only thing that I

2764
01:56:10,400 --> 01:56:12,880
want to make sure is, you know, once

2765
01:56:12,880 --> 01:56:14,239
again, if we're trying to operate this

2766
01:56:14,239 --> 01:56:16,560
golf course fiscally responsible, is

2767
01:56:16,560 --> 01:56:23,040
that if you were to look on page um 90

2768
01:56:23,040 --> 01:56:25,040
and this is, you know, typically how we

2769
01:56:25,040 --> 01:56:27,599
go see it is that you're going to see

2770
01:56:27,599 --> 01:56:30,719
transfer to general fund, audit fund,

2771
01:56:30,719 --> 01:56:34,400
super fund 250, and 2,000. And then

2772
01:56:34,400 --> 01:56:35,520
underneath you're going to see a

2773
01:56:35,520 --> 01:56:37,119
transfer to capital fund, which is

2774
01:56:37,119 --> 01:56:38,639
blank.

2775
01:56:38,639 --> 01:56:40,960
The reason that that's usually blank is

2776
01:56:40,960 --> 01:56:43,440
that we don't anticipate ever, you know,

2777
01:56:43,440 --> 01:56:46,000
a revenue, right? We we make sure our

2778
01:56:46,000 --> 01:56:49,679
expenses equal our our revenues. And

2779
01:56:49,679 --> 01:56:51,920
then what to Matt's point, right? Right

2780
01:56:51,920 --> 01:56:54,960
now, all things considered, we're moving

2781
01:56:54,960 --> 01:56:57,040
into the black, right? We we're slowly

2782
01:56:57,040 --> 01:56:59,119
creeping into the black. As we creep

2783
01:56:59,119 --> 01:57:00,480
into the black and hopefully our

2784
01:57:00,480 --> 01:57:03,599
revenues pace our expenses, then that

2785
01:57:03,599 --> 01:57:05,760
transfer to the g capital fund goes up.

2786
01:57:05,760 --> 01:57:07,360
Tick tick tick tick tick tick. And

2787
01:57:07,360 --> 01:57:09,599
that's what we use for our capital,

2788
01:57:09,599 --> 01:57:11,520
which you're going to ask about lately.

2789
01:57:11,520 --> 01:57:16,159
Next, if we start taking the capital

2790
01:57:16,159 --> 01:57:18,320
fund revenue, then we're not going to be

2791
01:57:18,320 --> 01:57:20,960
putting any money into our savings, and

2792
01:57:20,960 --> 01:57:22,639
then we're going to be reonding on

2793
01:57:22,639 --> 01:57:25,599
bonding to buy our mowers and equipment.

2794
01:57:25,599 --> 01:57:28,800
So, it would need to be, you know, the

2795
01:57:28,800 --> 01:57:30,239
transfer of the general fund would need

2796
01:57:30,239 --> 01:57:31,920
to be equal. And then we still need to

2797
01:57:31,920 --> 01:57:33,040
be able to make sure that we have a

2798
01:57:33,040 --> 01:57:34,400
capital fund, you know, and and that's

2799
01:57:34,400 --> 01:57:36,000
to the mayor's point, but even if it

2800
01:57:36,000 --> 01:57:37,679
rains, you know, we can't anticipate

2801
01:57:37,679 --> 01:57:39,599
every day being sunny that we have to

2802
01:57:39,599 --> 01:57:41,119
because if we bring our transfer of the

2803
01:57:41,119 --> 01:57:44,320
capital fund to zeros, our savings will

2804
01:57:44,320 --> 01:57:47,760
go down very quickly and then we're

2805
01:57:47,760 --> 01:57:49,119
going to rely on bonding, which we

2806
01:57:49,119 --> 01:57:50,639
haven't had to do before.

2807
01:57:50,639 --> 01:57:53,599
>> Right. So I guess my the I agree my

2808
01:57:53,599 --> 01:57:55,599
point is saying like even even with that

2809
01:57:55,599 --> 01:57:57,440
consideration made then what we're

2810
01:57:57,440 --> 01:57:59,920
essentially saying is that and and I

2811
01:57:59,920 --> 01:58:01,679
agree with you like you know just be

2812
01:58:01,679 --> 01:58:03,040
really clear and transparent about why

2813
01:58:03,040 --> 01:58:04,800
we're doing it. I think that I think

2814
01:58:04,800 --> 01:58:07,679
that would actually encourage people to

2815
01:58:07,679 --> 01:58:10,000
um feel a little bit better about you

2816
01:58:10,000 --> 01:58:11,679
know about paying an increased fee

2817
01:58:11,679 --> 01:58:13,520
because they recognize that you know

2818
01:58:13,520 --> 01:58:15,440
it's you know going to to something

2819
01:58:15,440 --> 01:58:18,320
that's also it's being reinvested in the

2820
01:58:18,320 --> 01:58:20,400
community right and that then we get the

2821
01:58:20,400 --> 01:58:22,239
economic benefit of that dollar and that

2822
01:58:22,239 --> 01:58:23,840
so on so forth with the public safety

2823
01:58:23,840 --> 01:58:25,199
yada yada stuff I've been saying for

2824
01:58:25,199 --> 01:58:28,080
years but so I say yes um do that and

2825
01:58:28,080 --> 01:58:29,840
I'm and and the I guess the formula I

2826
01:58:29,840 --> 01:58:30,880
would say is that I'm sure you guys are

2827
01:58:30,880 --> 01:58:32,960
going to come and say you know we put a

2828
01:58:32,960 --> 01:58:34,719
lot of money into this golf course and

2829
01:58:34,719 --> 01:58:36,880
it's absolutely beautiful, one of the

2830
01:58:36,880 --> 01:58:39,520
best around for what it is. Um, so we're

2831
01:58:39,520 --> 01:58:41,840
going to, you know, we just we justify

2832
01:58:41,840 --> 01:58:44,719
increasing the fees and still leaving a

2833
01:58:44,719 --> 01:58:46,880
lot of daylight between us and the p

2834
01:58:46,880 --> 01:58:48,560
private golf course, right? So, my

2835
01:58:48,560 --> 01:58:50,239
saying is like maybe we if you could

2836
01:58:50,239 --> 01:58:51,920
figure out what that formula would be,

2837
01:58:51,920 --> 01:58:55,440
what is it what does it look like to um

2838
01:58:55,440 --> 01:58:58,320
increase fees to where we're able to put

2839
01:58:58,320 --> 01:59:00,080
the money away, but there is that

2840
01:59:00,080 --> 01:59:03,119
additional and intentional couple bucks

2841
01:59:03,119 --> 01:59:05,360
spread across everyone that could equal

2842
01:59:05,360 --> 01:59:07,760
to this $200,000 and then we can fund a

2843
01:59:07,760 --> 01:59:10,400
youth program which puts money back into

2844
01:59:10,400 --> 01:59:12,960
the community and saves us money in the

2845
01:59:12,960 --> 01:59:15,840
public safety uh alliance. as well. So,

2846
01:59:15,840 --> 01:59:18,000
like that's what I'm suggesting we do.

2847
01:59:18,000 --> 01:59:20,639
>> Yeah. What's the amount?

2848
01:59:20,639 --> 01:59:22,400
>> Well, my amount my amount would be

2849
01:59:22,400 --> 01:59:24,639
$300,000. So, once we get there, I mean,

2850
01:59:24,639 --> 01:59:26,400
believe once we get there, we could talk

2851
01:59:26,400 --> 01:59:27,840
about, you know, scaling it back, but

2852
01:59:27,840 --> 01:59:29,520
like let's look let's look at what it

2853
01:59:29,520 --> 01:59:31,199
would be is what I'm saying we should

2854
01:59:31,199 --> 01:59:32,960
do.

2855
01:59:32,960 --> 01:59:35,760
>> Go ahead.

2856
01:59:35,760 --> 01:59:36,639
Okay.

2857
01:59:36,639 --> 01:59:39,520
>> Well, in a related issue, um, of course,

2858
01:59:39,520 --> 01:59:41,280
because I'm not a golfer, I can't

2859
01:59:41,280 --> 01:59:43,679
remember what the golf starter ranger

2860
01:59:43,679 --> 01:59:45,599
is, but I was wondering if those could

2861
01:59:45,599 --> 01:59:47,280
be youth, and I think they probably

2862
01:59:47,280 --> 01:59:49,840
already are, but

2863
01:59:49,840 --> 01:59:51,840
>> they be youth employees,

2864
01:59:51,840 --> 01:59:53,440
>> because I was kind of thinking that that

2865
01:59:53,440 --> 01:59:57,119
would be 10 of the um, you know, that

2866
01:59:57,119 --> 01:59:59,520
would be 10 employees um, right there.

2867
01:59:59,520 --> 02:00:02,880
That's $45,000. Um, but I think Are

2868
02:00:02,880 --> 02:00:05,920
they? Um, I'm not sure. So

2869
02:00:05,920 --> 02:00:08,320
>> couple not really specifically for those

2870
02:00:08,320 --> 02:00:09,440
types of positions.

2871
02:00:09,440 --> 02:00:09,760
>> Okay.

2872
02:00:09,760 --> 02:00:12,080
>> Um Peter's younger heart.

2873
02:00:12,080 --> 02:00:14,880
>> Yeah.

2874
02:00:14,880 --> 02:00:16,960
>> So when you're a starter at the golf

2875
02:00:16,960 --> 02:00:18,880
course, right? Um

2876
02:00:18,880 --> 02:00:21,040
>> it's it's it can be a pressure packed

2877
02:00:21,040 --> 02:00:23,679
situation for sure. I mean you're

2878
02:00:23,679 --> 02:00:26,400
constantly working to get golfers out at

2879
02:00:26,400 --> 02:00:28,960
a reasonable time and a lot of times the

2880
02:00:28,960 --> 02:00:31,360
starters get bullied by the golfers.

2881
02:00:31,360 --> 02:00:33,360
They are impatient.

2882
02:00:33,360 --> 02:00:34,800
uh they don't want to play with certain

2883
02:00:34,800 --> 02:00:36,560
people. If they get paired up with

2884
02:00:36,560 --> 02:00:39,360
strangers they may not know and that's

2885
02:00:39,360 --> 02:00:40,639
kind of part of it being on a public

2886
02:00:40,639 --> 02:00:43,280
golf course that's sort of what goes

2887
02:00:43,280 --> 02:00:46,320
along with that uh facility.

2888
02:00:46,320 --> 02:00:47,280
>> Okay.

2889
02:00:47,280 --> 02:00:51,199
>> So it's you know if you have a young

2890
02:00:51,199 --> 02:00:53,040
individual of 16 years old may not be

2891
02:00:53,040 --> 02:00:54,960
able to handle that sort of pressure or

2892
02:00:54,960 --> 02:00:56,960
know how to talk to an individual

2893
02:00:56,960 --> 02:00:58,480
because they don't have the maturity yet

2894
02:00:58,480 --> 02:01:00,719
for that. Not saying that that's going

2895
02:01:00,719 --> 02:01:03,840
to happen but it's a possibility. Um, so

2896
02:01:03,840 --> 02:01:05,679
we try not to put them in a position

2897
02:01:05,679 --> 02:01:07,520
that they're not going to succeed in.

2898
02:01:07,520 --> 02:01:08,880
>> Oh, yeah. No, the same at the pool.

2899
02:01:08,880 --> 02:01:11,040
>> We may be able we'll kind of groom them

2900
02:01:11,040 --> 02:01:12,000
to get them,

2901
02:01:12,000 --> 02:01:12,400
>> right?

2902
02:01:12,400 --> 02:01:15,679
>> Like get them under the flanking of, you

2903
02:01:15,679 --> 02:01:18,000
know, a senior staff member to say,

2904
02:01:18,000 --> 02:01:19,360
"Here, take them under your wing for a

2905
02:01:19,360 --> 02:01:21,360
day or two, see how they do."

2906
02:01:21,360 --> 02:01:25,040
>> And that's happened. So, um,

2907
02:01:25,040 --> 02:01:26,480
one of the best employees I ever had was

2908
02:01:26,480 --> 02:01:28,480
Ric Carlo Greley. The kid was amazing.

2909
02:01:28,480 --> 02:01:30,719
He was mature beyond his years and he

2910
02:01:30,719 --> 02:01:32,080
could do everything,

2911
02:01:32,080 --> 02:01:32,800
>> right?

2912
02:01:32,800 --> 02:01:34,560
>> But he worked his way to that. We didn't

2913
02:01:34,560 --> 02:01:36,800
just thrust him in there. He he actually

2914
02:01:36,800 --> 02:01:38,560
took it upon himself and volunteered to

2915
02:01:38,560 --> 02:01:40,880
do these different positions and we felt

2916
02:01:40,880 --> 02:01:42,639
that he was successful. But that of

2917
02:01:42,639 --> 02:01:43,679
course that's not you're not going to

2918
02:01:43,679 --> 02:01:46,159
always get an individual like that.

2919
02:01:46,159 --> 02:01:47,760
>> So that's what we tried to do. If that

2920
02:01:47,760 --> 02:01:48,880
answers your question

2921
02:01:48,880 --> 02:01:50,960
>> that did um I think we're you know we're

2922
02:01:50,960 --> 02:01:52,239
all kind of interested in how we're

2923
02:01:52,239 --> 02:01:53,920
going to be able to um you know fund

2924
02:01:53,920 --> 02:01:55,440
that $150,000.

2925
02:01:55,440 --> 02:01:59,280
>> We just found it. Um but um I so also

2926
02:01:59,280 --> 02:02:02,159
along those lines, the raffle um I can't

2927
02:02:02,159 --> 02:02:03,760
remember how much the check was that

2928
02:02:03,760 --> 02:02:06,320
went to APF this year when you guys uh

2929
02:02:06,320 --> 02:02:08,320
came to the

2930
02:02:08,320 --> 02:02:10,320
about $1,200.

2931
02:02:10,320 --> 02:02:12,080
>> Yeah. So that wasn't much. Okay.

2932
02:02:12,080 --> 02:02:13,679
>> Because I was going to suggest that too

2933
02:02:13,679 --> 02:02:16,320
could also be part of um you know the

2934
02:02:16,320 --> 02:02:17,760
instead of giving it to an outside

2935
02:02:17,760 --> 02:02:20,000
nonprofit that we actually give it to a

2936
02:02:20,000 --> 02:02:22,320
youth employment fund or youth services

2937
02:02:22,320 --> 02:02:23,840
fund within the city. But it's only

2938
02:02:23,840 --> 02:02:25,520
1,200 bucks. So,

2939
02:02:25,520 --> 02:02:27,360
>> we can certainly discuss a rate increase

2940
02:02:27,360 --> 02:02:30,159
this year, of course, you know, fits it.

2941
02:02:30,159 --> 02:02:31,679
Um,

2942
02:02:31,679 --> 02:02:33,360
you know, one of the things, of course,

2943
02:02:33,360 --> 02:02:35,119
with this little handout that I showed

2944
02:02:35,119 --> 02:02:36,800
you was that there was a study done

2945
02:02:36,800 --> 02:02:38,639
across New York State called an economic

2946
02:02:38,639 --> 02:02:41,199
environmental impact study and we

2947
02:02:41,199 --> 02:02:42,639
participated in our at least our

2948
02:02:42,639 --> 02:02:44,320
facility started participating back in

2949
02:02:44,320 --> 02:02:46,159
January. But I brought our maintenance

2950
02:02:46,159 --> 02:02:47,679
staff in and we answered all the

2951
02:02:47,679 --> 02:02:50,159
questions and pro you know provided all

2952
02:02:50,159 --> 02:02:53,280
the numbers they were looking for and it

2953
02:02:53,280 --> 02:02:55,199
was it was enjoyable because at the

2954
02:02:55,199 --> 02:02:59,520
writer uh at the PGA tent um the person

2955
02:02:59,520 --> 02:03:01,280
who was responsible for putting all this

2956
02:03:01,280 --> 02:03:03,040
data together was there and unveiled it

2957
02:03:03,040 --> 02:03:04,800
all to us. So, it was it was kind of a

2958
02:03:04,800 --> 02:03:06,480
neat experience cuz there was PJ

2959
02:03:06,480 --> 02:03:08,320
professionals from all across the

2960
02:03:08,320 --> 02:03:10,480
country there. And this was highlighting

2961
02:03:10,480 --> 02:03:12,159
New York specifically saying that we're

2962
02:03:12,159 --> 02:03:15,280
like the leaders and uh golf, one of the

2963
02:03:15,280 --> 02:03:18,239
top states in golf for jobs, economic

2964
02:03:18,239 --> 02:03:20,960
impact, etc.

2965
02:03:20,960 --> 02:03:23,119
And it was really neat because that page

2966
02:03:23,119 --> 02:03:25,840
state work was held. A writer Cup has

2967
02:03:25,840 --> 02:03:27,440
never been held at a stateowned golf

2968
02:03:27,440 --> 02:03:28,800
course before. That was the first time

2969
02:03:28,800 --> 02:03:30,000
that ever happened. Wow.

2970
02:03:30,000 --> 02:03:31,760
>> And it's owned by the state of New York.

2971
02:03:31,760 --> 02:03:33,679
It's a municipality

2972
02:03:33,679 --> 02:03:36,320
and 25% of the facilities that are

2973
02:03:36,320 --> 02:03:39,280
involved in this are municipality golf

2974
02:03:39,280 --> 02:03:40,159
courses.

2975
02:03:40,159 --> 02:03:42,960
>> So they provide a considerable amount of

2976
02:03:42,960 --> 02:03:45,679
revenue and a big portion of this is

2977
02:03:45,679 --> 02:03:48,719
provided by municipal. So

2978
02:03:48,719 --> 02:03:51,119
>> one of the things that municipals do is

2979
02:03:51,119 --> 02:03:54,320
they provide accessible affordable golf.

2980
02:03:54,320 --> 02:03:56,080
So you got to tread that fine line

2981
02:03:56,080 --> 02:03:57,760
because we are municipal. We don't want

2982
02:03:57,760 --> 02:03:59,679
to raise the rates too high because

2983
02:03:59,679 --> 02:04:02,320
that's what we pro pride ourselves in.

2984
02:04:02,320 --> 02:04:03,760
But at the same time, listen, our

2985
02:04:03,760 --> 02:04:05,679
expenses are not going to get any lower.

2986
02:04:05,679 --> 02:04:07,119
We already know that everything's

2987
02:04:07,119 --> 02:04:09,280
getting more expensive.

2988
02:04:09,280 --> 02:04:11,360
Uh the cost of doing things and cost of

2989
02:04:11,360 --> 02:04:12,880
doing business is more expensive. So,

2990
02:04:12,880 --> 02:04:15,760
you have to you can't they're just

2991
02:04:15,760 --> 02:04:17,440
everything's going up. I hate to say it,

2992
02:04:17,440 --> 02:04:18,800
but that's just the way it's going to

2993
02:04:18,800 --> 02:04:19,360
be.

2994
02:04:19,360 --> 02:04:19,679
>> Yeah.

2995
02:04:19,679 --> 02:04:23,119
>> And so, we've got to I like the way Mr.

2996
02:04:23,119 --> 02:04:25,040
Farley's thinking. Maybe we should raise

2997
02:04:25,040 --> 02:04:27,760
our rates so we're not working so hard

2998
02:04:27,760 --> 02:04:30,080
to keep our heads just above water.

2999
02:04:30,080 --> 02:04:32,560
>> Yeah. And I mean I think I'm sorry.

3000
02:04:32,560 --> 02:04:33,360
>> No.

3001
02:04:33,360 --> 02:04:35,280
>> Okay. I I was thinking, you know, we

3002
02:04:35,280 --> 02:04:37,199
made quite the investment in the golf

3003
02:04:37,199 --> 02:04:38,560
course, you know, with our funds as

3004
02:04:38,560 --> 02:04:40,480
well. And I think that this is like a

3005
02:04:40,480 --> 02:04:42,639
>> one of those ways which I think was a

3006
02:04:42,639 --> 02:04:44,560
wise. So this is one of those ways to

3007
02:04:44,560 --> 02:04:45,280
get,

3008
02:04:45,280 --> 02:04:47,360
>> you know, with every a lot of people do

3009
02:04:47,360 --> 02:04:49,199
a little and then we can kind of, you

3010
02:04:49,199 --> 02:04:50,639
know, we can

3011
02:04:50,639 --> 02:04:53,520
>> get that that line funded. Well, it's

3012
02:04:53,520 --> 02:04:55,040
interesting because I think we've been a

3013
02:04:55,040 --> 02:04:57,920
lot of a big uh leader in the community

3014
02:04:57,920 --> 02:04:59,679
as far as that goes. So, when we first

3015
02:04:59,679 --> 02:05:03,040
did the GPS on our golf carts, all of a

3016
02:05:03,040 --> 02:05:05,280
sudden four or five other public golf

3017
02:05:05,280 --> 02:05:07,040
courses in the area,

3018
02:05:07,040 --> 02:05:08,480
>> what do they do? They got GPS in their

3019
02:05:08,480 --> 02:05:10,000
golf course because they see how

3020
02:05:10,000 --> 02:05:12,560
successful we were. We did irrigation.

3021
02:05:12,560 --> 02:05:14,639
Town of Colony just put a like a $16

3022
02:05:14,639 --> 02:05:16,560
million renovation project into their

3023
02:05:16,560 --> 02:05:18,159
golf course. I don't know where they got

3024
02:05:18,159 --> 02:05:20,320
money for that,

3025
02:05:20,320 --> 02:05:24,080
but they have two 18hole golf course.

3026
02:05:24,080 --> 02:05:29,119
That's a huge property, but they're redoing the entire uh facility

3027
02:05:29,119 --> 02:05:31,280
over it. And I think the same irrigation

3028
02:05:31,280 --> 02:05:34,000
company is doing their facility that did

3029
02:05:34,000 --> 02:05:37,040
ours. But um anyway, Frier Park and

3030
02:05:37,040 --> 02:05:39,679
Troy, same thing. New irrigation, big

3031
02:05:39,679 --> 02:05:41,760
renovation project. All municipal golf

3032
02:05:41,760 --> 02:05:44,400
coursees. Um Amsterdam Municipal just

3033
02:05:44,400 --> 02:05:46,159
rebuilt the brand new clubhouse. I mean,

3034
02:05:46,159 --> 02:05:48,159
so they're all doing renovations to

3035
02:05:48,159 --> 02:05:51,520
their facilities in some regard, but um

3036
02:05:51,520 --> 02:05:53,280
it almost seems like we're like at the

3037
02:05:53,280 --> 02:05:55,440
forefront. Like what is Skenkity doing?

3038
02:05:55,440 --> 02:05:56,800
What are they doing that they're able to

3039
02:05:56,800 --> 02:05:58,800
finish in the black all the time?

3040
02:05:58,800 --> 02:06:01,599
>> And Chris and I pride ourselves in not

3041
02:06:01,599 --> 02:06:03,119
being a burden on the city. We never

3042
02:06:03,119 --> 02:06:04,880
want to be a burden to the city. We self

3043
02:06:04,880 --> 02:06:07,599
sustain a lot of our projects and don't

3044
02:06:07,599 --> 02:06:10,800
ask for funding. I mean, I think the

3045
02:06:10,800 --> 02:06:13,119
history of being here shows that.

3046
02:06:13,119 --> 02:06:14,239
Wouldn't you say, Chris?

3047
02:06:14,239 --> 02:06:16,400
>> Sure.

3048
02:06:16,400 --> 02:06:18,400
So, I hope that answers some of your

3049
02:06:18,400 --> 02:06:19,920
questions. But if you get a chance to

3050
02:06:19,920 --> 02:06:21,440
look at this in the bottom right corner,

3051
02:06:21,440 --> 02:06:23,119
it's kind of small, but it says New York

3052
02:06:23,119 --> 02:06:25,520
Golf impact.org.

3053
02:06:25,520 --> 02:06:28,000
And the study, well,

3054
02:06:28,000 --> 02:06:29,599
it's pretty impressive the numbers they

3055
02:06:29,599 --> 02:06:31,599
came up with. It shows everything from

3056
02:06:31,599 --> 02:06:34,480
economic and and uh environmental

3057
02:06:34,480 --> 02:06:36,320
impacts and what golf courses are doing

3058
02:06:36,320 --> 02:06:38,320
all across the state from Buffalo to

3059
02:06:38,320 --> 02:06:42,000
Malone down to Long Island. um water

3060
02:06:42,000 --> 02:06:43,840
conservation,

3061
02:06:43,840 --> 02:06:46,560
um animal protection stuff.

3062
02:06:46,560 --> 02:06:48,239
>> We're a part of the Autobon Society,

3063
02:06:48,239 --> 02:06:49,440
which is important.

3064
02:06:49,440 --> 02:06:51,760
>> We've been with them for a long time.

3065
02:06:51,760 --> 02:06:54,079
>> But things like that.

3066
02:06:54,079 --> 02:06:55,920
>> Yeah,

3067
02:06:55,920 --> 02:06:57,520
>> let's do it, man.

3068
02:06:57,520 --> 02:06:59,040
>> I just had a question. Yeah, you

3069
02:06:59,040 --> 02:07:01,599
mentioned self sustaining. So, how does

3070
02:07:01,599 --> 02:07:05,199
that how does the capital funding factor

3071
02:07:05,199 --> 02:07:07,679
into the entertainment? Is that hard

3072
02:07:07,679 --> 02:07:10,480
compartment or capital is outside?

3073
02:07:10,480 --> 02:07:13,119
of your expenditure here

3074
02:07:13,119 --> 02:07:14,719
>> in which and

3075
02:07:14,719 --> 02:07:16,079
>> capital. Yes.

3076
02:07:16,079 --> 02:07:17,360
>> Yes. Operating.

3077
02:07:17,360 --> 02:07:19,280
>> So how how is that factoring into your

3078
02:07:19,280 --> 02:07:21,920
overall expenditure? Are you recovering

3079
02:07:21,920 --> 02:07:23,840
this class? Are you funding this class?

3080
02:07:23,840 --> 02:07:25,599
Because this is not funded. This is

3081
02:07:25,599 --> 02:07:27,599
funding outside of your regular

3082
02:07:27,599 --> 02:07:29,119
payto-day operation.

3083
02:07:29,119 --> 02:07:29,760
>> The capital.

3084
02:07:29,760 --> 02:07:31,679
>> Yeah. Capital you pay for the reserve.

3085
02:07:31,679 --> 02:07:34,079
>> Yes. So that's so

3086
02:07:34,079 --> 02:07:35,760
>> $375,000.

3087
02:07:35,760 --> 02:07:36,159
>> Yeah.

3088
02:07:36,159 --> 02:07:38,159
>> Is not funded.

3089
02:07:38,159 --> 02:07:44,470
beath

3090
02:07:44,480 --> 02:07:49,350
and the Jews that pay for the Catholics

3091
02:07:49,360 --> 02:07:51,679
that come out

3092
02:07:51,679 --> 02:07:54,800
>> is that part of that 250

3093
02:07:54,800 --> 02:07:57,040
350 something

3094
02:07:57,040 --> 02:07:58,639
>> no

3095
02:07:58,639 --> 02:08:00,079
general fund to subsidize.

3096
02:08:00,079 --> 02:08:03,040
>> So that was um that that's what I was

3097
02:08:03,040 --> 02:08:06,079
talking about this blank face here. So

3098
02:08:06,079 --> 02:08:10,639
in 2024 we we moved $160,000 into 2013

3099
02:08:10,639 --> 02:08:14,000
we moved $113,000 in. So this year we're

3100
02:08:14,000 --> 02:08:15,679
hoping anything we make going on it's

3101
02:08:15,679 --> 02:08:16,960
going to hopefully thick thick tick

3102
02:08:16,960 --> 02:08:18,639
thick that number up and that's what we

3103
02:08:18,639 --> 02:08:20,880
use to pay for what's in the capital

3104
02:08:20,880 --> 02:08:21,520
request.

3105
02:08:21,520 --> 02:08:23,360
>> So we don't have the number for 2025

3106
02:08:23,360 --> 02:08:23,840
that's yet.

3107
02:08:23,840 --> 02:08:25,760
>> We do not because we get that number at

3108
02:08:25,760 --> 02:08:27,440
the end here to see what the actual

3109
02:08:27,440 --> 02:08:28,239
number say

3110
02:08:28,239 --> 02:08:30,560
>> and that would be used toward the 2026

3111
02:08:30,560 --> 02:08:33,119
to offset the capital

3112
02:08:33,119 --> 02:08:35,920
expenditure. Okay. I just want to go

3113
02:08:35,920 --> 02:08:40,629
ahead.

3114
02:08:40,639 --> 02:08:42,800
» Okay.

3115
02:08:42,800 --> 02:08:46,079
Oh, question to Mr. Farley's point.

3116
02:08:46,079 --> 02:08:52,320
Absolutely. I mean I I I don't know you have a golf advisory committee

3117
02:08:52,320 --> 02:08:55,920
and it brings uh raises or increase in

3118
02:08:55,920 --> 02:08:58,400
fees to that a year and you talk about

3119
02:08:58,400 --> 02:09:00,880
so again you want to maintain that line

3120
02:09:00,880 --> 02:09:04,480
that's that because

3121
02:09:04,480 --> 02:09:07,280
a lot of people golf in all different um

3122
02:09:07,280 --> 02:09:11,599
ages groups I see it there all different

3123
02:09:11,599 --> 02:09:14,639
people so

3124
02:09:14,639 --> 02:09:17,040
in I guess maybe 51 women that I golf

3125
02:09:17,040 --> 02:09:20,159
with at MU in different leagues. Um

3126
02:09:20,159 --> 02:09:21,760
there's probably two of us that are

3127
02:09:21,760 --> 02:09:23,199
residents. Most of them are

3128
02:09:23,199 --> 02:09:24,719
non-residents

3129
02:09:24,719 --> 02:09:26,960
and um they put up the biggest stake

3130
02:09:26,960 --> 02:09:29,920
about defeating some pain, but at least

3131
02:09:29,920 --> 02:09:30,960
they'll come back and there's really

3132
02:09:30,960 --> 02:09:33,119
nowhere been in the golf. So I just

3133
02:09:33,119 --> 02:09:34,480
wanted to bring that out there that

3134
02:09:34,480 --> 02:09:36,960
that's a little play thing you say.

3135
02:09:36,960 --> 02:09:38,960
Sometimes they can be disgruntled. The

3136
02:09:38,960 --> 02:09:41,040
golfers there, but um a lot of

3137
02:09:41,040 --> 02:09:42,639
non-residents golfing there, which we

3138
02:09:42,639 --> 02:09:46,159
get more money from which is fine.

3139
02:09:46,159 --> 02:09:48,719
I guess my uh this another thing about

3140
02:09:48,719 --> 02:09:50,639
youth is the fact that um you know

3141
02:09:50,639 --> 02:09:52,800
during the day you know they're in

3142
02:09:52,800 --> 02:09:55,599
school a lot of times are doing things.

3143
02:09:55,599 --> 02:09:58,880
>> So my suggestion would be we have these

3144
02:09:58,880 --> 02:10:02,639
beautiful beautiful new tennis courts

3145
02:10:02,639 --> 02:10:04,400
being put in where we don't charge any

3146
02:10:04,400 --> 02:10:08,800
fees for it. So that's something we can

3147
02:10:08,800 --> 02:10:10,880
start to discuss a line of revenue on

3148
02:10:10,880 --> 02:10:13,040
our tax.

3149
02:10:13,040 --> 02:10:15,280
My my understanding is that was is

3150
02:10:15,280 --> 02:10:16,719
supposed to happen when the new courts

3151
02:10:16,719 --> 02:10:20,000
go in. Um I don't know how that's been

3152
02:10:20,000 --> 02:10:21,599
worked through at all and talked about

3153
02:10:21,599 --> 02:10:23,599
at this point but it would make sense.

3154
02:10:23,599 --> 02:10:26,560
>> It will and

3155
02:10:26,560 --> 02:10:30,400
so I know that we part of our course we

3156
02:10:30,400 --> 02:10:32,239
have some partnerships um and there's

3157
02:10:32,239 --> 02:10:33,840
some agreements in place in order for

3158
02:10:33,840 --> 02:10:36,239
them to be you know as fantastic as

3159
02:10:36,239 --> 02:10:37,920
they're going to be. Um but I was going

3160
02:10:37,920 --> 02:10:40,000
to say to Mr. to Turo's point, it seems

3161
02:10:40,000 --> 02:10:41,599
like based on what the information we're

3162
02:10:41,599 --> 02:10:44,560
getting now, we, you know, we again, we

3163
02:10:44,560 --> 02:10:46,320
want to balance those tensions and I can

3164
02:10:46,320 --> 02:10:47,679
appreciate those that we're not just

3165
02:10:47,679 --> 02:10:49,440
saying, "Okay, let's make as much money

3166
02:10:49,440 --> 02:10:51,119
as we can and then we do close it out

3167
02:10:51,119 --> 02:10:54,159
for people, but it it seems like we're

3168
02:10:54,159 --> 02:10:55,520
in one of those situations where we have

3169
02:10:55,520 --> 02:10:57,199
one of those good problems where we have

3170
02:10:57,199 --> 02:11:00,000
more interest that makes managing it

3171
02:11:00,000 --> 02:11:02,719
comp complicated enough to where we have

3172
02:11:02,719 --> 02:11:04,560
to, you know, make sure that we're doing

3173
02:11:04,560 --> 02:11:06,480
it in a way that we can people because

3174
02:11:06,480 --> 02:11:08,079
there's such a high interest. So if we

3175
02:11:08,079 --> 02:11:10,239
have such a high interest, that seems

3176
02:11:10,239 --> 02:11:14,079
like the ideal place to um leverage that

3177
02:11:14,079 --> 02:11:16,480
interest and cut a check to make sure

3178
02:11:16,480 --> 02:11:21,109
our kids, you know, have jobs.

3179
02:11:21,119 --> 02:11:22,639
» We do have a pretty good pipeline,

3180
02:11:22,639 --> 02:11:24,079
right, to connect to the high school. In

3181
02:11:24,079 --> 02:11:26,000
fact, five of our hires this year came

3182
02:11:26,000 --> 02:11:28,639
from Connect.

3183
02:11:28,639 --> 02:11:30,560
>> It was and they worked out great. They

3184
02:11:30,560 --> 02:11:32,000
were all fantastic kids.

3185
02:11:32,000 --> 02:11:36,550
>> Yeah. Yeah. That's awesome.

3186
02:11:36,560 --> 02:11:37,599
» Yeah.

3187
02:11:37,599 --> 02:11:39,599
I'm just and I know that you may have an

3188
02:11:39,599 --> 02:11:41,199
opinion on this, but we're talking as

3189
02:11:41,199 --> 02:11:44,239
friends, colleagues, here um I will get

3190
02:11:44,239 --> 02:11:46,480
the numbers together like you asked. It

3191
02:11:46,480 --> 02:11:50,000
may be a large impact on honor. We'll

3192
02:11:50,000 --> 02:11:52,560
present it. Um to your point about the

3193
02:11:52,560 --> 02:11:54,719
tennis, I will say that is fantastic

3194
02:11:54,719 --> 02:11:56,320
point, but it also made me think about

3195
02:11:56,320 --> 02:11:59,760
other things in the park that are free

3196
02:11:59,760 --> 02:12:01,440
that draw a lot of people from outside

3197
02:12:01,440 --> 02:12:05,589
the city.

3198
02:12:05,599 --> 02:12:07,119
You said it might be an impact on what?

3199
02:12:07,119 --> 02:12:09,840
>> We put so much money into it outside of

3200
02:12:09,840 --> 02:12:13,040
the $20,000 that if it's Are you talking

3201
02:12:13,040 --> 02:12:14,320
about Music Haven?

3202
02:12:14,320 --> 02:12:16,560
>> Yeah. Well, we raise um I don't know

3203
02:12:16,560 --> 02:12:18,000
hundreds of thousands of dollars or

3204
02:12:18,000 --> 02:12:19,760
whatever to actually make the budget of

3205
02:12:19,760 --> 02:12:21,199
Music Haven and the city only

3206
02:12:21,199 --> 02:12:23,679
contributes $20,000

3207
02:12:23,679 --> 02:12:26,320
um to Music Haven. Um

3208
02:12:26,320 --> 02:12:28,719
>> but you were to actually charge the

3209
02:12:28,719 --> 02:12:31,440
people.

3210
02:12:31,440 --> 02:12:33,040
>> How would we do that? They come in over

3211
02:12:33,040 --> 02:12:34,560
the hill. I mean, they sit all over the

3212
02:12:34,560 --> 02:12:35,599
hills, all over the

3213
02:12:35,599 --> 02:12:37,520
>> people in the seats to pay for the seat

3214
02:12:37,520 --> 02:12:39,520
>> and you would I mean, we would you use a

3215
02:12:39,520 --> 02:12:41,679
snow fence. You would use a green snow

3216
02:12:41,679 --> 02:12:43,679
fence and you would actually I mean, and

3217
02:12:43,679 --> 02:12:44,960
once again, you would say it's for a

3218
02:12:44,960 --> 02:12:47,760
youth program. I mean, the I'm just

3219
02:12:47,760 --> 02:12:49,040
saying is if we're going down this road

3220
02:12:49,040 --> 02:12:50,880
and we're trying to fund a youth, a

3221
02:12:50,880 --> 02:12:52,159
youth program

3222
02:12:52,159 --> 02:12:54,320
>> and we're trying to do it, then we have

3223
02:12:54,320 --> 02:12:55,920
to look at all the revenue. Sure. You

3224
02:12:55,920 --> 02:12:57,360
know, I mean, and and

3225
02:12:57,360 --> 02:12:58,960
>> I don't know. I would just point out

3226
02:12:58,960 --> 02:13:01,440
that um again, sorry to interrupt, but

3227
02:13:01,440 --> 02:13:05,199
again um we have donors that um purchase

3228
02:13:05,199 --> 02:13:07,920
the seats, purchase the bricks, purchase

3229
02:13:07,920 --> 02:13:09,920
all sorts of things. They sponsor the

3230
02:13:09,920 --> 02:13:13,599
concerts. Um, I mean it's like the I

3231
02:13:13,599 --> 02:13:15,040
would have I can't remember off the top

3232
02:13:15,040 --> 02:13:16,639
of my head what the total budget is for

3233
02:13:16,639 --> 02:13:19,679
Music Haven, but $20,000 of it is all

3234
02:13:19,679 --> 02:13:21,679
that the city gets and everything else

3235
02:13:21,679 --> 02:13:24,480
is coming from things that they sell to

3236
02:13:24,480 --> 02:13:26,639
people that come, all the food that

3237
02:13:26,639 --> 02:13:28,800
people buy and the and the beverages

3238
02:13:28,800 --> 02:13:31,360
that people buy. But mostly it's the

3239
02:13:31,360 --> 02:13:33,840
fundraising where if you look on the

3240
02:13:33,840 --> 02:13:36,639
side of the stage, I mean, you can see

3241
02:13:36,639 --> 02:13:39,440
that there's people um myself included

3242
02:13:39,440 --> 02:13:41,920
that have donated money uh to have the

3243
02:13:41,920 --> 02:13:43,760
name up on the brick, but mostly because

3244
02:13:43,760 --> 02:13:47,040
they value the the um what music haven

3245
02:13:47,040 --> 02:13:49,520
brings to the park, especially in terms

3246
02:13:49,520 --> 02:13:53,199
of the diversity um in terms of the fact

3247
02:13:53,199 --> 02:13:55,679
that it is this sort of multicultural

3248
02:13:55,679 --> 02:13:58,159
experience um in terms of the music that

3249
02:13:58,159 --> 02:13:59,599
comes. But I appreciate what you're

3250
02:13:59,599 --> 02:14:02,159
saying. I can get I can get the specific

3251
02:14:02,159 --> 02:14:04,639
figures on how much the the budget I

3252
02:14:04,639 --> 02:14:06,239
mean I know that's one of my volunteer

3253
02:14:06,239 --> 02:14:07,679
things is trying to help them raise

3254
02:14:07,679 --> 02:14:10,320
money uh every year because it is it's

3255
02:14:10,320 --> 02:14:12,480
just you know if we if we had to

3256
02:14:12,480 --> 02:14:15,040
actually pay for what happens in that in

3257
02:14:15,040 --> 02:14:17,520
that would be I can't remember exactly

3258
02:14:17,520 --> 02:14:19,119
what it is but I feel like it's like a

3259
02:14:19,119 --> 02:14:23,280
couple hundred,000 but do you remember

3260
02:14:23,280 --> 02:14:25,199
for music haven in terms of its total

3261
02:14:25,199 --> 02:14:27,040
budget?

3262
02:14:27,040 --> 02:14:29,040
I I don't remember what it is actually,

3263
02:14:29,040 --> 02:14:33,040
but that was I mean is it my I actually

3264
02:14:33,040 --> 02:14:37,040
still had a couple of questions, but um

3265
02:14:37,040 --> 02:14:38,480
>> I don't know. I get what you're saying

3266
02:14:38,480 --> 02:14:39,760
though. But um

3267
02:14:39,760 --> 02:14:43,199
>> just because you know $50,000 is more

3268
02:14:43,199 --> 02:14:45,360
attainable than $150,000 for the golf

3269
02:14:45,360 --> 02:14:48,880
course. So if you were to go 50 50 and

3270
02:14:48,880 --> 02:14:50,960
it's a park, you know, the parks

3271
02:14:50,960 --> 02:14:53,520
generate the money in excess for the

3272
02:14:53,520 --> 02:16:23,510
program. It may be more attainive, but I

3273
02:16:23,520 --> 02:16:25,360
ing stations at the golf course. Yeah.

3274
02:16:25,360 --> 02:16:26,400
>> Prior

3275
02:16:26,400 --> 02:16:27,040
>> I'm sorry.

3276
02:16:27,040 --> 02:16:29,280
>> Prior to our installation of the two did

3277
02:16:29,280 --> 02:16:30,239
not happen.

3278
02:16:30,239 --> 02:16:32,559
>> Okay. So, the two charging stations that

3279
02:16:32,559 --> 02:16:34,240
are now there, that's what you're

3280
02:16:34,240 --> 02:16:37,280
charging all those 60 parts. Those are

3281
02:16:37,280 --> 02:16:39,200
Oh, that's what I was Oh, that's

3282
02:16:39,200 --> 02:16:40,800
>> Oh, you're talking about the electrical.

3283
02:16:40,800 --> 02:16:42,160
>> Yeah, I was trying to figure out how we

3284
02:16:42,160 --> 02:16:43,439
charge those cars if we

3285
02:16:43,439 --> 02:16:45,280
>> No, there's two there's two electrical

3286
02:16:45,280 --> 02:16:47,920
uh charging stations for vehicles.

3287
02:16:47,920 --> 02:16:48,319
>> Okay.

3288
02:16:48,319 --> 02:16:50,559
>> In the parking lot this year.

3289
02:16:50,559 --> 02:16:54,389
>> Separate charging station.

3290
02:16:54,399 --> 02:16:55,840
All those chargers were in the car bar

3291
02:16:55,840 --> 02:16:57,519
and that was that was a massive that was

3292
02:16:57,519 --> 02:16:59,120
updated

3293
02:16:59,120 --> 02:17:00,719
handled the capacity for that.

3294
02:17:00,719 --> 02:17:02,960
>> Okay. Thank you. I just I was like how

3295
02:17:02,960 --> 02:17:04,559
could we not have a charging station

3296
02:17:04,559 --> 02:17:06,639
going? This is in the third year of that

3297
02:17:06,639 --> 02:17:09,519
lease.

3298
02:17:09,519 --> 02:17:10,719
>> Next year we're actually going to be

3299
02:17:10,719 --> 02:17:12,559
bringing a new program to the course I

3300
02:17:12,559 --> 02:17:17,349
forgot to mention called PJO.

3301
02:17:17,359 --> 02:17:19,760
» It's a rework military program.

3302
02:17:19,760 --> 02:17:20,399
>> Cool.

3303
02:17:20,399 --> 02:17:23,519
>> Um and both Jeff Mati and myself are now

3304
02:17:23,519 --> 02:17:25,599
certified. Uh there's actually a

3305
02:17:25,599 --> 02:17:28,319
training seminar you have to attend

3306
02:17:28,319 --> 02:17:30,319
because you're dealing with individuals

3307
02:17:30,319 --> 02:17:32,080
that you know post-traumatic stress

3308
02:17:32,080 --> 02:17:35,920
disorder um loss of limbs um I had a

3309
02:17:35,920 --> 02:17:38,880
gentleman who had no legs and one arm

3310
02:17:38,880 --> 02:17:40,800
and he's sitting in a wheel specific

3311
02:17:40,800 --> 02:17:42,080
wheelchair and he learned how to play

3312
02:17:42,080 --> 02:17:43,599
golf with one arm

3313
02:17:43,599 --> 02:17:45,439
>> and so it really kind of brings you back

3314
02:17:45,439 --> 02:17:47,359
to reality when you see an individual

3315
02:17:47,359 --> 02:17:50,240
like that and the joy it brings them and

3316
02:17:50,240 --> 02:17:53,840
they felt that the the PJ uh program is

3317
02:17:53,840 --> 02:18:36,230
the saved their lives.

3318
02:18:36,240 --> 02:18:39,439
So what we have here first are two

3319
02:18:39,439 --> 02:18:42,240
fairway mowers. These are our large

3320
02:18:42,240 --> 02:18:46,880
workforce mowers um that uh that we um

3321
02:18:46,880 --> 02:18:49,200
the existing mowers we have are about 10

3322
02:18:49,200 --> 02:18:51,120
years old. So we're looking to replace

3323
02:18:51,120 --> 02:18:53,599
both of those. Um, the second thing,

3324
02:18:53,599 --> 02:18:55,359
like I said, is a T- mower. It's more

3325
02:18:55,359 --> 02:18:56,960
specialty, smaller piece of equipment

3326
02:18:56,960 --> 02:19:02,240
that we use for mowing our TE's. Uh, the

3327
02:19:02,240 --> 02:19:06,080
Ventra with duals. That is a workhorse

3328
02:19:06,080 --> 02:19:09,120
mower. It's a very unique mower um that

3329
02:19:09,120 --> 02:19:11,760
has uh sets of dual tires on the fronts

3330
02:19:11,760 --> 02:19:15,679
and backs and a deck that is warm, a

3331
02:19:15,679 --> 02:19:18,319
rough top deck. And what we use that for

3332
02:19:18,319 --> 02:19:21,840
are inclines and steep hillsides. Um,

3333
02:19:21,840 --> 02:19:24,719
it's a very stable like a goat mower.

3334
02:19:24,719 --> 02:19:26,880
It'll go around. Very neat mower that we

3335
02:19:26,880 --> 02:19:30,000
have, but we bought it seven or eight

3336
02:19:30,000 --> 02:19:33,359
years ago used off of a contract and now

3337
02:19:33,359 --> 02:19:35,120
we were looking to replace it.

3338
02:19:35,120 --> 02:19:37,519
>> Uh, the Verticut 3 points, those are

3339
02:19:37,519 --> 02:19:39,280
actually um

3340
02:19:39,280 --> 02:19:41,040
>> I think that is just another smaller

3341
02:19:41,040 --> 02:19:42,880
mower, more hand mower. And then the

3342
02:19:42,880 --> 02:19:44,880
units for the 33, those are actually

3343
02:19:44,880 --> 02:19:47,359
just cutting units. They're just like

3344
02:19:47,359 --> 02:19:50,000
razor blades that would go on to the the

3345
02:19:50,000 --> 02:19:51,840
mower. So you can buy those separate

3346
02:19:51,840 --> 02:19:54,160
from the mower. And then the facility

3347
02:19:54,160 --> 02:19:56,720
improvements. Um we're looking to

3348
02:19:56,720 --> 02:19:59,760
replace the boiler. Um we did talk with

3349
02:19:59,760 --> 02:20:03,120
Miy looking to operate the restaurant

3350
02:20:03,120 --> 02:20:06,479
all year. Um not fulltime but all year.

3351
02:20:06,479 --> 02:20:08,160
And we would like to make sure that the

3352
02:20:08,160 --> 02:20:10,640
boiler uh operates. So we're getting

3353
02:20:10,640 --> 02:20:13,120
quotes on that now. Actually, uh we're

3354
02:20:13,120 --> 02:20:15,680
also looking to do hallway improvements

3355
02:20:15,680 --> 02:20:18,640
with that money. Um, if you may or may

3356
02:20:18,640 --> 02:20:23,760
not be aware, there is a hallway between

3357
02:20:23,760 --> 02:20:25,359
where the female locker room can be in

3358
02:20:25,359 --> 02:20:27,040
our utility room. We would like to

3359
02:20:27,040 --> 02:20:29,200
reopen that for the winter season so

3360
02:20:29,200 --> 02:20:31,359
that um, patrons to the restaurant do

3361
02:20:31,359 --> 02:20:32,800
not have to walk up the hill. They can

3362
02:20:32,800 --> 02:20:34,800
walk through the hallway and up the

3363
02:20:34,800 --> 02:20:36,319
stairway.

3364
02:20:36,319 --> 02:20:38,560
We think that's the preferred path for

3365
02:20:38,560 --> 02:20:39,920
visiting the restaurant in the winter

3366
02:20:39,920 --> 02:20:43,040
months. And then Matt would like to uh

3367
02:20:43,040 --> 02:20:45,680
purchase a new merchandise counter. Um

3368
02:20:45,680 --> 02:20:49,200
the current counter was uh created by

3369
02:20:49,200 --> 02:20:52,160
our in-house carpenters almost a decade

3370
02:20:52,160 --> 02:20:58,640
ago is um literally a glass bot with two

3371
02:20:58,640 --> 02:21:00,160
um podiums on either side that the

3372
02:21:00,160 --> 02:21:02,319
carpenters made and we'd like to have

3373
02:21:02,319 --> 02:21:04,640
more of a professional front back

3374
02:21:04,640 --> 02:21:09,510
counter for merchandise.

3375
02:21:09,520 --> 02:21:10,319
» Any questions?

3376
02:21:10,319 --> 02:21:12,000
>> Yes, thank you. I don't I thought that

3377
02:21:12,000 --> 02:21:15,520
was um proposed a few years ago. Your

3378
02:21:15,520 --> 02:21:17,359
counter out there and we didn't have

3379
02:21:17,359 --> 02:21:18,880
funding for that or

3380
02:21:18,880 --> 02:21:20,160
>> No, it was a little more than we

3381
02:21:20,160 --> 02:21:21,680
thought. I think we only put like 5,000

3382
02:21:21,680 --> 02:21:23,760
in the budget. Ended up being closer to

3383
02:21:23,760 --> 02:21:25,680
10 or 15. So that's where we moved it

3384
02:21:25,680 --> 02:21:27,200
out of operating. We moved it into

3385
02:21:27,200 --> 02:21:30,720
capitals reserves. But yeah, it ended up

3386
02:21:30,720 --> 02:21:32,800
being, you know, essentially all

3387
02:21:32,800 --> 02:21:33,359
customer,

3388
02:21:33,359 --> 02:21:34,080
>> right?

3389
02:21:34,080 --> 02:21:36,000
>> And your merchandise is huge up there. I

3390
02:21:36,000 --> 02:21:37,680
mean, do you get a lot of sales on the

3391
02:21:37,680 --> 02:21:39,359
merchandise? Yeah. Especially Yeah.

3392
02:21:39,359 --> 02:21:40,960
We've done a lot more this year than any

3393
02:21:40,960 --> 02:21:41,359
year.

3394
02:21:41,359 --> 02:21:42,880
>> Okay. Um

3395
02:21:42,880 --> 02:21:44,800
>> but it just like to Chris's point, it'll

3396
02:21:44,800 --> 02:21:47,359
be much more professional looking. Um

3397
02:21:47,359 --> 02:21:49,040
and just kind of fits with all the work

3398
02:21:49,040 --> 02:21:50,240
that we've been doing out there.

3399
02:21:50,240 --> 02:21:52,160
>> Right. Absolutely.

3400
02:21:52,160 --> 02:21:55,200
>> And how about um under the under your

3401
02:21:55,200 --> 02:21:57,359
capital improvements some work to the

3402
02:21:57,359 --> 02:21:59,390
forward tea boxes

3403
02:21:59,390 --> 02:21:59,620
[Laughter]

3404
02:21:59,620 --> 02:22:03,670
[Music]

3405
02:22:03,680 --> 02:22:07,040
and so forth.

3406
02:22:07,040 --> 02:22:09,600
>> More friendly.

3407
02:22:09,600 --> 02:22:14,560
more not in the line of the back.

3408
02:22:14,560 --> 02:22:15,920
>> We could get the we could get the

3409
02:22:15,920 --> 02:22:18,399
lightning box like

3410
02:22:18,399 --> 02:22:20,560
>> well a few of the former tea boxes the

3411
02:22:20,560 --> 02:22:22,399
place more

3412
02:22:22,399 --> 02:22:24,240
>> closer to the hole.

3413
02:22:24,240 --> 02:22:25,439
>> You say they're in line with the back

3414
02:22:25,439 --> 02:22:26,000
ones.

3415
02:22:26,000 --> 02:22:27,680
>> Oh yeah.

3416
02:22:27,680 --> 02:22:28,880
>> Nine and 18.

3417
02:22:28,880 --> 02:22:30,319
>> You mean being off the side?

3418
02:22:30,319 --> 02:22:32,479
>> Yeah.

3419
02:22:32,479 --> 02:22:34,000
a lot of people talk about the forward

3420
02:22:34,000 --> 02:22:36,080
see blacks as being more

3421
02:22:36,080 --> 02:22:37,359
>> I wouldn't even want to say woman

3422
02:22:37,359 --> 02:22:39,840
friendly more senior friendly

3423
02:22:39,840 --> 02:22:41,920
>> kind of more centered

3424
02:22:41,920 --> 02:22:44,560
>> yeah okay that's

3425
02:22:44,560 --> 02:22:47,760
>> yeah are we going to have to fund

3426
02:22:47,760 --> 02:22:49,600
>> I can probably put a collection up with

3427
02:22:49,600 --> 02:22:50,240
the

3428
02:22:50,240 --> 02:22:52,000
>> the ladies you know of course

3429
02:22:52,000 --> 02:22:53,280
>> we we do need that

3430
02:22:53,280 --> 02:22:55,520
>> they they still think it's a man's sport

3431
02:22:55,520 --> 02:22:57,760
you know and um they still think Rudy is

3432
02:22:57,760 --> 02:23:00,720
a old old man's

3433
02:23:00,720 --> 02:23:03,200
today. Oh, for years, but it's not

3434
02:23:03,200 --> 02:23:05,840
changing.

3435
02:23:05,840 --> 02:23:08,240
But there are some some tea boxes that

3436
02:23:08,240 --> 02:23:10,160
could use improvement. I put that in the

3437
02:23:10,160 --> 02:23:10,720
cap.

3438
02:23:10,720 --> 02:23:12,240
>> Sure is the correct ter.

3439
02:23:12,240 --> 02:23:14,160
>> I can definitely address that with our

3440
02:23:14,160 --> 02:23:16,240
maintenance staff and see if they can

3441
02:23:16,240 --> 02:23:19,680
I'll some suggestions.

3442
02:23:19,680 --> 02:23:22,640
>> We are that would be great.

3443
02:23:22,640 --> 02:23:24,560
We are renting just to let you know a

3444
02:23:24,560 --> 02:23:25,760
project that I've been wanting to do

3445
02:23:25,760 --> 02:23:30,000
Matt for a decade is what I call between

3446
02:23:30,000 --> 02:23:33,600
goals four and five. It is a dirt cart

3447
02:23:33,600 --> 02:23:36,160
path

3448
02:23:36,160 --> 02:23:38,080
that is no longer used, hasn't been used

3449
02:23:38,080 --> 02:23:40,800
for 10 years. And our superintendent uh

3450
02:23:40,800 --> 02:23:43,200
we are running a mini bulldozer and will

3451
02:23:43,200 --> 02:23:47,120
be covering it, fescuing it, and making

3452
02:23:47,120 --> 02:23:49,120
sure the carts don't go in. And I I

3453
02:23:49,120 --> 02:23:50,399
really do think it's just one of those

3454
02:23:50,399 --> 02:23:52,240
little things that when we do it, it's

3455
02:23:52,240 --> 02:23:54,080
going to make us just look every year

3456
02:23:54,080 --> 02:23:55,920
just that little bit better because now

3457
02:23:55,920 --> 02:23:58,160
when you're on the T- box for five next

3458
02:23:58,160 --> 02:23:59,600
year when you look out, you won't be

3459
02:23:59,600 --> 02:24:02,880
seeing this arbitrary

3460
02:24:02,880 --> 02:24:04,960
road in the middle of what should be a

3461
02:24:04,960 --> 02:24:07,200
new area. So the golfers probably won't

3462
02:24:07,200 --> 02:24:08,560
appreciate having that road because when

3463
02:24:08,560 --> 02:24:10,000
you go right, you can kind of drive on

3464
02:24:10,000 --> 02:24:11,760
it. But, you know, keep your ball in

3465
02:24:11,760 --> 02:24:14,080
fair.

3466
02:24:14,080 --> 02:24:15,600
>> And one more question. And I I don't

3467
02:24:15,600 --> 02:24:17,200
know if I brought this forward last year

3468
02:24:17,200 --> 02:24:20,800
or in one of your meetings. Um a shelter

3469
02:24:20,800 --> 02:24:22,800
furthest from the thought uh from the

3470
02:24:22,800 --> 02:24:24,399
course for lightning and things like

3471
02:24:24,399 --> 02:24:24,880
that.

3472
02:24:24,880 --> 02:24:25,760
>> Bring that up last night.

3473
02:24:25,760 --> 02:24:27,520
>> A lot of times it's hard to get in

3474
02:24:27,520 --> 02:24:29,760
especially if you're walking. So I just

3475
02:24:29,760 --> 02:24:30,640
put that up right here.

3476
02:24:30,640 --> 02:24:33,439
>> The lightning sensors.

3477
02:24:33,439 --> 02:24:33,840
So

3478
02:24:33,840 --> 02:24:34,640
>> do you notice those?

3479
02:24:34,640 --> 02:24:37,040
>> Oh gosh. Yeah. Yeah. And they scream.

3480
02:24:37,040 --> 02:24:40,160
>> No. Sensors that were put on part of the

3481
02:24:40,160 --> 02:24:43,040
improvement. So it's a storm approaches

3482
02:24:43,040 --> 02:24:45,040
again. how many miles out

3483
02:24:45,040 --> 02:24:46,880
>> they shouldn't

3484
02:24:46,880 --> 02:24:48,960
be at risk so that they're given notice

3485
02:24:48,960 --> 02:24:50,240
and should get off the court.

3486
02:24:50,240 --> 02:24:50,720
>> That's great.

3487
02:24:50,720 --> 02:24:52,640
>> Yeah, it's a lightning detection system

3488
02:24:52,640 --> 02:24:54,080
that was included when we put the

3489
02:24:54,080 --> 02:24:56,399
irrigation in and they're in the corners

3490
02:24:56,399 --> 02:24:58,800
of the golf course from more farreaching

3491
02:24:58,800 --> 02:24:59,920
areas.

3492
02:24:59,920 --> 02:25:02,560
>> And if it's detected within a 5 mile

3493
02:25:02,560 --> 02:25:05,439
radius, they go off and so it alerts the

3494
02:25:05,439 --> 02:25:07,680
golfers to that there is lightning in

3495
02:25:07,680 --> 02:25:09,439
the area. Maybe not directly overhead,

3496
02:25:09,439 --> 02:25:12,560
but in the area and to be aware of it.

3497
02:25:12,560 --> 02:25:14,399
>> That's great. Same Dorian is not coming

3498
02:25:14,399 --> 02:25:16,560
off the course. What do you do?

3499
02:25:16,560 --> 02:25:18,319
>> Well, somebody comes out to get them.

3500
02:25:18,319 --> 02:25:18,640
Yeah.

3501
02:25:18,640 --> 02:25:21,280
>> Yeah. We actually do. We'll take a storm

3502
02:25:21,280 --> 02:25:22,720
coming. We actually make rounds out

3503
02:25:22,720 --> 02:25:24,240
there making sure everybody comes in.

3504
02:25:24,240 --> 02:25:25,439
>> Yeah.

3505
02:25:25,439 --> 02:25:28,000
Cuz there are people like Tony

3506
02:25:28,000 --> 02:25:31,280
Barber husband Tony Ward. He's sitting

3507
02:25:31,280 --> 02:25:33,040
on a bench on the 14th hole under

3508
02:25:33,040 --> 02:25:34,479
umbrella. Tony, what in the world are

3509
02:25:34,479 --> 02:25:40,240
you doing out there? I I dragging.

3510
02:25:40,240 --> 02:25:42,160
>> All right. Any other question? top of

3511
02:25:42,160 --> 02:25:43,920
that, please. I do think it's important

3512
02:25:43,920 --> 02:25:45,600
to know there are a number of residents

3513
02:25:45,600 --> 02:25:47,439
in our community that do not golf. I'm

3514
02:25:47,439 --> 02:25:49,439
one of them. It is not because I've

3515
02:25:49,439 --> 02:25:51,760
never done it. It's partly because the

3516
02:25:51,760 --> 02:25:54,319
fact I think in my my age, I think it'd

3517
02:25:54,319 --> 02:25:55,680
be difficult to not be good at

3518
02:25:55,680 --> 02:25:57,359
something. So, I think it's out of pride

3519
02:25:57,359 --> 02:26:00,000
that I did not go. Um, but sincerely,

3520
02:26:00,000 --> 02:26:02,000
correct me if I'm wrong, Mr. Wallen, the

3521
02:26:02,000 --> 02:26:03,760
projects that Mr. Toro will highlight,

3522
02:26:03,760 --> 02:26:05,120
those would be ones that you would add

3523
02:26:05,120 --> 02:26:08,960
to your list to identify um pathways

3524
02:26:08,960 --> 02:26:12,710
forward correction.

3525
02:26:12,720 --> 02:26:17,280
uh projects which these

3526
02:26:17,280 --> 02:26:18,479
specific

3527
02:26:18,479 --> 02:26:20,399
>> the concepts that were presented tonight

3528
02:26:20,399 --> 02:26:21,680
those were all additional projects that

3529
02:26:21,680 --> 02:26:23,520
you would have to weigh and levy as you

3530
02:26:23,520 --> 02:26:24,399
manage your other

3531
02:26:24,399 --> 02:26:26,720
>> oh yes they're all yeah they're all

3532
02:26:26,720 --> 02:26:27,600
under

3533
02:26:27,600 --> 02:26:29,359
>> thank you freaking a point I think it's

3534
02:26:29,359 --> 02:26:30,560
important to make sure that we're

3535
02:26:30,560 --> 02:26:32,720
balancing like the efforts of the city

3536
02:26:32,720 --> 02:26:34,960
and sincerely think this is all wrapping

3537
02:26:34,960 --> 02:26:37,600
into the comment from Mr. Harley, I

3538
02:26:37,600 --> 02:26:39,280
think if we're intentional with drawing

3539
02:26:39,280 --> 02:26:40,560
a little bit more, I think being

3540
02:26:40,560 --> 02:26:42,640
considerate to the fact of don't break

3541
02:26:42,640 --> 02:26:44,800
something that's not broken and we have

3542
02:26:44,800 --> 02:26:48,560
or don't it works it works well do in

3543
02:26:48,560 --> 02:26:50,240
part to the management and the support

3544
02:26:50,240 --> 02:26:52,240
from the city. Uh but sincerely I

3545
02:26:52,240 --> 02:26:53,680
imagine there's individuals listening at

3546
02:26:53,680 --> 02:26:57,120
home that we put $3 million in this park

3547
02:26:57,120 --> 02:26:59,280
in this golf course

3548
02:26:59,280 --> 02:27:00,640
don't think it's a difficult thing to

3549
02:27:00,640 --> 02:27:02,800
intentionally pull out a little bit more

3550
02:27:02,800 --> 02:27:04,880
beyond what already is. And then the

3551
02:27:04,880 --> 02:27:06,720
other comment I wanted to highlight is

3552
02:27:06,720 --> 02:27:08,720
it's a discussion me and Morfield often

3553
02:27:08,720 --> 02:27:11,359
have of the concept or misconception of

3554
02:27:11,359 --> 02:27:13,439
free and I think that makes a lot of

3555
02:27:13,439 --> 02:27:15,280
things difficult because there's always

3556
02:27:15,280 --> 02:27:18,880
a cost. Um so I think I would balance

3557
02:27:18,880 --> 02:27:23,359
that in a very um

3558
02:27:23,359 --> 02:27:24,880
not disenfranchised community but we

3559
02:27:24,880 --> 02:27:26,960
have a community with a lot of needs and

3560
02:27:26,960 --> 02:27:28,880
often times we hear how some of the

3561
02:27:28,880 --> 02:27:30,240
resources we have in the city are taken

3562
02:27:30,240 --> 02:27:31,920
advantage of. So I think it's important

3563
02:27:31,920 --> 02:27:34,800
to make sure we are intentionally

3564
02:27:34,800 --> 02:27:36,479
adding more safety measures. So there

3565
02:27:36,479 --> 02:27:38,319
are specific considerations for the

3566
02:27:38,319 --> 02:27:40,000
community with respect to the youth

3567
02:27:40,000 --> 02:27:44,389
service line but I think in other areas.

3568
02:27:44,399 --> 02:27:46,160
» Thank you.

3569
02:27:46,160 --> 02:27:49,439
>> Are there any more question comments?

3570
02:27:49,439 --> 02:27:52,000
>> Just one comment

3571
02:27:52,000 --> 02:27:55,439
or maybe two respond like that.

3572
02:27:55,439 --> 02:27:59,439
So um so I just want us again

3573
02:27:59,439 --> 02:28:01,920
>> we we can talk about this youth service

3574
02:28:01,920 --> 02:28:06,080
line as a expense but that would be not

3575
02:28:06,080 --> 02:28:09,200
looking at it as an investment the same

3576
02:28:09,200 --> 02:28:11,600
way that we invest into uh the golf

3577
02:28:11,600 --> 02:28:13,680
course and invest into our parks. There

3578
02:28:13,680 --> 02:28:15,760
there's an investment here and that

3579
02:28:15,760 --> 02:28:18,000
money again is some of the money that

3580
02:28:18,000 --> 02:28:20,160
circulates in our community at a higher

3581
02:28:20,160 --> 02:28:22,960
level than any other money is used in

3582
02:28:22,960 --> 02:28:25,359
employment and youth services. and then

3583
02:28:25,359 --> 02:28:27,200
to factor in our public safety money.

3584
02:28:27,200 --> 02:28:28,240
So, I just want to make sure that we're

3585
02:28:28,240 --> 02:28:29,520
looking through that, you know, through

3586
02:28:29,520 --> 02:28:31,200
the right prison, if you will. That's

3587
02:28:31,200 --> 02:28:33,280
all.

3588
02:28:33,280 --> 02:28:35,359
>> Are there any other comments, questions?

3589
02:28:35,359 --> 02:28:37,120
Seeing none. Thank you so much. Thank

3590
02:28:37,120 --> 02:28:38,160
you so much.

3591
02:28:38,160 --> 02:28:40,960
>> Thank you, Chris. Thank you for all that

3592
02:28:40,960 --> 02:28:42,080
you guys are doing.

3593
02:28:42,080 --> 02:28:44,800
>> Thank you. Keep up the good work.

3594
02:28:44,800 --> 02:28:54,950
Um,

3595
02:28:54,960 --> 02:42:04,150
I want you to make noise.

3596
02:42:04,160 --> 02:42:06,960
Boys and girls,

3597
02:42:06,960 --> 02:42:08,960
>> thank you. I

3598
02:42:08,960 --> 02:42:11,680
>> um we'll restart and we'll stay on

3599
02:42:11,680 --> 02:42:14,960
capital funding and we'll go on to

3600
02:42:14,960 --> 02:42:19,750
utilities and it

3601
02:42:19,760 --> 02:42:23,510
» is taking the lead.

3602
02:42:23,520 --> 02:42:24,000
Um

3603
02:42:24,000 --> 02:42:26,880
>> walk us through the equipment.

3604
02:42:26,880 --> 02:42:28,640
>> Sorry.

3605
02:42:28,640 --> 02:42:30,640
>> No, no, I'm talking about capital.

3606
02:42:30,640 --> 02:42:31,680
>> Oh, capital.

3607
02:42:31,680 --> 02:42:33,439
>> Page 91.

3608
02:42:33,439 --> 02:42:36,080
>> All right. So, the first thing I'd like

3609
02:42:36,080 --> 02:42:38,080
to address is the sign fabrication

3610
02:42:38,080 --> 02:42:40,880
upgrade that comes with a new latex

3611
02:42:40,880 --> 02:42:42,800
printer, laminator, and some vinyl to

3612
02:42:42,800 --> 02:42:45,680
get us started for making signs. The way

3613
02:42:45,680 --> 02:42:47,120
that we make signs right now, if you're

3614
02:42:47,120 --> 02:42:50,160
all aware, we uh screen print. So, you

3615
02:42:50,160 --> 02:42:51,439
can get away with it for your typical

3616
02:42:51,439 --> 02:42:53,760
road sign, but with any other sign where

3617
02:42:53,760 --> 02:42:55,040
the text maybe gets a little bit

3618
02:42:55,040 --> 02:42:59,040
smaller, it is a pain. So um it would

3619
02:42:59,040 --> 02:43:03,040
save time, money, material effort, um

3620
02:43:03,040 --> 02:43:04,640
all that and it would create a better

3621
02:43:04,640 --> 02:43:07,040
looking sign in the long run. So I'm

3622
02:43:07,040 --> 02:43:09,520
really a big advocate for this

3623
02:43:09,520 --> 02:43:10,880
revolutionize the way we make signs in

3624
02:43:10,880 --> 02:43:15,670
my apartment.

3625
02:43:15,680 --> 02:43:18,560
» This one is the smart note upgrade.

3626
02:43:18,560 --> 02:43:21,200
>> Oh, sorry. you have installed.

3627
02:43:21,200 --> 02:43:25,120
>> It is the um upgrading of the 200 city

3628
02:43:25,120 --> 02:43:27,120
IQ nodes that we currently have along

3629
02:43:27,120 --> 02:43:30,319
State Street. So, uh it's an antiquated

3630
02:43:30,319 --> 02:43:33,280
piece of equipment for uh smart nodes.

3631
02:43:33,280 --> 02:43:35,680
They don't give us the same speed, air

3632
02:43:35,680 --> 02:43:38,399
quality, uh noise data that we get. I

3633
02:43:38,399 --> 02:43:40,560
don't sure you all familiar with that

3634
02:43:40,560 --> 02:43:42,319
speed report that I put together. That

3635
02:43:42,319 --> 02:43:44,160
would be that last piece and it would be

3636
02:43:44,160 --> 02:43:46,160
like the hole filling the hole in the

3637
02:43:46,160 --> 02:43:47,760
picture of the the picture that we're

3638
02:43:47,760 --> 02:43:49,680
painting for speed data. So it would be

3639
02:43:49,680 --> 02:43:53,520
very important for us um residents

3640
02:43:53,520 --> 02:43:57,359
um just going forward in general to uh

3641
02:43:57,359 --> 02:43:59,279
promote safety.

3642
02:43:59,279 --> 02:44:02,479
>> And you mentioned 2001

3643
02:44:02,479 --> 02:44:05,760
200 CIQ notes to be replaced with the uh

3644
02:44:05,760 --> 02:44:08,319
you need

3645
02:44:08,319 --> 02:44:14,710
up toate smart.

3646
02:44:14,720 --> 02:44:16,319
» Okay.

3647
02:44:16,319 --> 02:44:19,200
Go ahead.

3648
02:44:19,200 --> 02:44:21,520
>> Congress. Um,

3649
02:44:21,520 --> 02:44:25,279
we do we have like the smart city

3650
02:44:25,279 --> 02:44:29,040
opening side. Is that anybody

3651
02:44:29,040 --> 02:44:32,960
able to to cover part of this?

3652
02:44:32,960 --> 02:44:35,920
I don't know where we are with it,

3653
02:44:35,920 --> 02:44:37,600
but I know we put money aside. So, I'm

3654
02:44:37,600 --> 02:44:39,279
just wondering if any part of the

3655
02:44:39,279 --> 02:44:41,279
vaccine is something that could be sent

3656
02:44:41,279 --> 02:44:43,120
here.

3657
02:44:43,120 --> 02:44:45,439
>> I don't believe so.

3658
02:44:45,439 --> 02:44:48,160
exhaust those funds. We actually got

3659
02:44:48,160 --> 02:44:50,479
another grant from the smart city

3660
02:44:50,479 --> 02:44:52,240
initiative to continue our efforts into

3661
02:44:52,240 --> 02:44:55,359
devel. But that's for further AP and

3662
02:44:55,359 --> 02:44:58,399
fiber. nothing in relation to what I

3663
02:44:58,399 --> 02:45:01,439
described there.

3664
02:45:01,439 --> 02:45:05,110
>> But

3665
02:45:05,120 --> 02:45:17,590
I not

3666
02:45:17,600 --> 02:45:20,240
Brian and I looked at it. Um like as he

3667
02:45:20,240 --> 02:45:21,920
stated, majority of the funds are

3668
02:45:21,920 --> 02:45:24,319
exhausted. So um we need this funding

3669
02:45:24,319 --> 02:45:27,680
source um to get this part

3670
02:45:27,680 --> 02:45:31,359
>> you can um have a listing money and have

3671
02:45:31,359 --> 02:45:34,560
extensive because it last wasn't

3672
02:45:34,560 --> 02:45:38,319
something that was

3673
02:45:38,319 --> 02:45:39,120
thank you

3674
02:45:39,120 --> 02:45:41,359
>> for how many years

3675
02:45:41,359 --> 02:45:43,840
>> from the beginning to now

3676
02:45:43,840 --> 02:45:45,520
>> um I'm going to say in the past three

3677
02:45:45,520 --> 02:45:47,520
years

3678
02:45:47,520 --> 02:45:49,279
>> commissioner you mentioned the money is

3679
02:45:49,279 --> 02:45:51,760
expended does that mean that um the

3680
02:45:51,760 --> 02:45:55,120
money is all spent or is it just that uh

3681
02:45:55,120 --> 02:45:58,000
we have open purchase orders?

3682
02:45:58,000 --> 02:46:00,479
>> I would have to uh double check that but

3683
02:46:00,479 --> 02:46:03,680
I believe the majority um if not all

3684
02:46:03,680 --> 02:46:06,560
have been exhausted.

3685
02:46:06,560 --> 02:46:10,319
So okay so pain can provide us

3686
02:46:10,319 --> 02:46:14,230
if it's all

3687
02:46:14,240 --> 02:46:17,040
there any outstanding appeals

3688
02:46:17,040 --> 02:46:20,469
>> all

3689
02:46:20,479 --> 02:46:22,240
any other question before you go on to

3690
02:46:22,240 --> 02:46:24,720
your next item

3691
02:46:24,720 --> 02:46:26,080
>> middle item that's

3692
02:46:26,080 --> 02:46:27,439
>> yeah please

3693
02:46:27,439 --> 02:46:28,479
>> truck attachments

3694
02:46:28,479 --> 02:46:29,600
>> truck attachment

3695
02:46:29,600 --> 02:46:32,160
>> it's basically ease of use for a new

3696
02:46:32,160 --> 02:46:34,000
spray that we got will go onto a truck

3697
02:46:34,000 --> 02:46:36,479
that we actually outlined right now um

3698
02:46:36,479 --> 02:46:46,309
just you know upgrade our our process.

3699
02:46:46,319 --> 02:46:47,680
» Any other question? Go ahead.

3700
02:46:47,680 --> 02:46:51,840
>> So the smart mode upgrade that will

3701
02:46:51,840 --> 02:46:54,319
coincide with the grant that we just

3702
02:46:54,319 --> 02:46:55,760
got.

3703
02:46:55,760 --> 02:46:57,359
>> How does that how do those things work

3704
02:46:57,359 --> 02:46:58,800
to each other?

3705
02:46:58,800 --> 02:47:04,560
Um so we will have uh the more APS that

3706
02:47:04,560 --> 02:47:06,160
will be putting up and developing as

3707
02:47:06,160 --> 02:47:07,840
part of that smart city initiative.

3708
02:47:07,840 --> 02:47:08,399
>> Okay.

3709
02:47:08,399 --> 02:47:10,080
>> Grant that we just got

3710
02:47:10,080 --> 02:47:12,640
>> this will be APS are access points.

3711
02:47:12,640 --> 02:47:15,680
They're like you know a big rout just to

3712
02:47:15,680 --> 02:47:18,479
get internet. Um these smart nodes will

3713
02:47:18,479 --> 02:47:22,000
be a data point for the city to use

3714
02:47:22,000 --> 02:47:25,200
gather speed sound data. So it's

3715
02:47:25,200 --> 02:47:26,479
different but

3716
02:47:26,479 --> 02:47:27,920
>> related but not Okay.

3717
02:47:27,920 --> 02:47:30,640
>> Right.

3718
02:47:30,640 --> 02:47:33,200
>> So um the grant could you just be

3719
02:47:33,200 --> 02:47:34,399
specific about the grant? Are you

3720
02:47:34,399 --> 02:47:35,920
talking about the 1.6 million of that?

3721
02:47:35,920 --> 02:47:36,960
>> Correct.

3722
02:47:36,960 --> 02:47:38,880
>> And so

3723
02:47:38,880 --> 02:47:40,479
that's separate in parts from what we

3724
02:47:40,479 --> 02:47:45,279
have here and can't be used for.

3725
02:47:45,279 --> 02:47:48,790
>> Thank you.

3726
02:47:48,800 --> 02:47:51,200
So that is one that connect all state

3727
02:47:51,200 --> 02:47:55,120
brand that is more focused on the mobile

3728
02:47:55,120 --> 02:47:57,680
devices or something signals uh we have

3729
02:47:57,680 --> 02:48:00,399
around the area to boost those things

3730
02:48:00,399 --> 02:48:03,200
that is the like the main functionality

3731
02:48:03,200 --> 02:48:04,240
of that grant.

3732
02:48:04,240 --> 02:48:06,800
>> Mhm.

3733
02:48:06,800 --> 02:48:10,479
>> Any question on the capital fun

3734
02:48:10,479 --> 02:48:13,760
thank you for the capital.

3735
02:48:13,760 --> 02:48:17,200
So we will go to page 24

3736
02:48:17,200 --> 02:48:21,750
utilities administration

3737
02:48:21,760 --> 02:48:26,630
commissioner

3738
02:48:26,640 --> 02:48:29,360
53

3739
02:48:29,360 --> 02:48:34,790
[Music]

3740
02:48:34,800 --> 02:48:36,319
just want to give us highlights what's

3741
02:48:36,319 --> 02:48:41,590
happening in utility

3742
02:48:41,600 --> 02:48:44,399
they're carried over

3743
02:48:44,399 --> 02:48:49,680
everything 24 from last budget.

3744
02:48:49,680 --> 02:48:52,240
One thing I did want to bring I'm

3745
02:48:52,240 --> 02:48:53,439
getting a little ahead of myself but

3746
02:48:53,439 --> 02:48:57,520
with the painters I'm sorry

3747
02:48:57,520 --> 02:48:59,520
no everything's pretty much

3748
02:48:59,520 --> 02:49:02,000
>> yeah let's let's stay with the u utility

3749
02:49:02,000 --> 02:49:04,640
administration and then

3750
02:49:04,640 --> 02:49:08,160
we'll go into the next uh department.

3751
02:49:08,160 --> 02:49:11,040
Any questions on the utility

3752
02:49:11,040 --> 02:49:12,880
administration?

3753
02:49:12,880 --> 02:49:15,439
>> These are just steps

3754
02:49:15,439 --> 02:49:18,240
for the IPS

3755
02:49:18,240 --> 02:49:21,439
who pretend those are just basically

3756
02:49:21,439 --> 02:49:27,190
correct.

3757
02:49:27,200 --> 02:49:28,640
» Any other questions?

3758
02:49:28,640 --> 02:49:29,920
>> Yes.

3759
02:49:29,920 --> 02:49:33,750
>> Who's the site for?

3760
02:49:33,760 --> 02:49:35,840
» Thank you.

3761
02:49:35,840 --> 02:49:38,000
I do want to make a small note and I

3762
02:49:38,000 --> 02:49:39,760
apologize for these saying this just

3763
02:49:39,760 --> 02:49:45,359
revealing my numbers. I was revising the one that I may be here

3764
02:49:45,359 --> 02:49:50,000
between 404 fees for services 6500

3765
02:49:50,000 --> 02:49:52,880
>> 7,000 would be

3766
02:49:52,880 --> 02:49:55,439
again but that's not acceptable I accept

3767
02:49:55,439 --> 02:49:59,920
that but that's my request.

3768
02:49:59,920 --> 02:50:02,399
So are you saying so 6,500 you're asking

3769
02:50:02,399 --> 02:50:03,040
for more?

3770
02:50:03,040 --> 02:50:06,000
>> 500 more. So 7,000.

3771
02:50:06,000 --> 02:50:07,840
>> Okay.

3772
02:50:07,840 --> 02:50:10,479
>> Sorry about that.

3773
02:50:10,479 --> 02:50:14,550
16.

3774
02:50:14,560 --> 02:50:16,960
» Any other questions?

3775
02:50:16,960 --> 02:50:23,190
Seeing none, we'll move to pave

3776
02:50:23,200 --> 02:50:27,760
» 35 and that is utility sign maintenance.

3777
02:50:27,760 --> 02:50:29,840
I do have a question from Mary.

3778
02:50:29,840 --> 02:50:33,040
>> Oh, um, so for the travel conferences, I

3779
02:50:33,040 --> 02:50:35,120
see that you're in love with that line.

3780
02:50:35,120 --> 02:50:36,960
There's no time that you ever travel. I

3781
02:50:36,960 --> 02:50:38,960
mean, because the IT business is like

3782
02:50:38,960 --> 02:50:41,760
ever changing. So there's no ever any

3783
02:50:41,760 --> 02:50:43,840
time that you're ever

3784
02:50:43,840 --> 02:50:47,920
global expenses for that conferences.

3785
02:50:47,920 --> 02:50:50,160
Um,

3786
02:50:50,160 --> 02:50:53,120
there I saw that 24 there wasn't a lot

3787
02:50:53,120 --> 02:50:57,120
spent, but in 23 there was. So I just

3788
02:50:57,120 --> 02:51:00,240
went to my first conference. Um there

3789
02:51:00,240 --> 02:51:01,920
was that's probably going to be the one

3790
02:51:01,920 --> 02:51:03,439
that I go to unless there's something

3791
02:51:03,439 --> 02:51:05,680
else that comes about. So I budgeted

3792
02:51:05,680 --> 02:51:07,279
just enough to cover that one conference

3793
02:51:07,279 --> 02:51:10,000
which is honestly not allowed. So

3794
02:51:10,000 --> 02:51:10,319
>> okay

3795
02:51:10,319 --> 02:51:12,080
>> that's where I felt comfortable cutting

3796
02:51:12,080 --> 02:51:12,880
very

3797
02:51:12,880 --> 02:51:15,040
>> okay the local conference

3798
02:51:15,040 --> 02:51:16,880
>> uh you got

3799
02:51:16,880 --> 02:51:18,960
>> okay so is it generally local because my

3800
02:51:18,960 --> 02:51:20,880
concern is that if we're talking about

3801
02:51:20,880 --> 02:51:24,960
the United conference then that becomes

3802
02:51:24,960 --> 02:51:26,800
uh a little bit more expensive but is it

3803
02:51:26,800 --> 02:51:28,080
generally local

3804
02:51:28,080 --> 02:51:30,319
>> it's the only one I was aware of I can

3805
02:51:30,319 --> 02:51:33,120
ask John and see if there's um any other

3806
02:51:33,120 --> 02:51:34,960
ones out there that possibly could

3807
02:51:34,960 --> 02:51:36,560
require some travel but he did not

3808
02:51:36,560 --> 02:51:38,560
allude to us so I wouldn't that there is

3809
02:51:38,560 --> 02:51:41,600
one out Yeah.

3810
02:51:41,600 --> 02:51:44,399
The cut that I made there, I believe.

3811
02:51:44,399 --> 02:51:49,830
>> Okay.

3812
02:51:49,840 --> 02:51:53,830
» Any other question?

3813
02:51:53,840 --> 02:51:57,200
We'll move through

3814
02:51:57,200 --> 02:52:02,160
36 35 potential 36 and that is utility

3815
02:52:02,160 --> 02:52:04,880
sign payments

3816
02:52:04,880 --> 02:52:12,950
side mainten,000

3817
02:52:12,960 --> 02:52:15,920
left to address um the bills for

3818
02:52:15,920 --> 02:52:17,439
painters

3819
02:52:17,439 --> 02:52:19,760
by one

3820
02:52:19,760 --> 02:52:22,560
>> should be three I missed that on my part

3821
02:52:22,560 --> 02:52:24,240
um

3822
02:52:24,240 --> 02:52:26,319
it was budgeted. So what happened was

3823
02:52:26,319 --> 02:52:28,960
there's a cleaner that is currently

3824
02:52:28,960 --> 02:52:30,800
still transitioning to be a painting

3825
02:52:30,800 --> 02:52:34,560
crew um which kind of led to the mishap

3826
02:52:34,560 --> 02:52:36,720
there but I believe he was budgeted for

3827
02:52:36,720 --> 02:52:38,960
on the facility side of things as a

3828
02:52:38,960 --> 02:52:41,359
cleaner

3829
02:52:41,359 --> 02:52:46,469
would be able to

3830
02:52:46,479 --> 02:52:48,880
» so there needs to be movement an adjust

3831
02:52:48,880 --> 02:52:51,200
sorry an adjustment here from being

3832
02:52:51,200 --> 02:52:54,880
clean back into the painter

3833
02:52:54,880 --> 02:52:57,600
Commission making notes.

3834
02:52:57,600 --> 02:52:58,800
>> It's running over.

3835
02:52:58,800 --> 02:53:03,030
>> Okay.

3836
02:53:03,040 --> 02:53:05,760
» Go ahead, please.

3837
02:53:05,760 --> 02:53:08,720
>> Oh, is the cleaner then? Whose budget is

3838
02:53:08,720 --> 02:53:09,840
that in a cleaner?

3839
02:53:09,840 --> 02:53:11,680
>> So,

3840
02:53:11,680 --> 02:53:16,479
>> they have six cleaners that currently

3841
02:53:16,479 --> 02:53:18,720
sell one of those six.

3842
02:53:18,720 --> 02:53:20,319
>> Okay.

3843
02:53:20,319 --> 02:53:22,800
>> Thank you. So this would stay at the at

3844
02:53:22,800 --> 02:53:25,279
the the two

3845
02:53:25,279 --> 02:53:27,200
>> here.

3846
02:53:27,200 --> 02:53:29,279
>> Oh shifted from facilities would go

3847
02:53:29,279 --> 02:53:29,680
down.

3848
02:53:29,680 --> 02:53:34,710
>> No.

3849
02:53:34,720 --> 02:53:38,399
» So a cleaner uh moved or in the process

3850
02:53:38,399 --> 02:53:40,160
of moving to the cleaner position. They

3851
02:53:40,160 --> 02:53:42,479
have currently two films two individuals

3852
02:53:42,479 --> 02:53:45,920
in this department and making

3853
02:53:45,920 --> 02:53:48,080
it usually

3854
02:53:48,080 --> 02:53:49,760
position. That's why it was removed. But

3855
02:53:49,760 --> 02:53:52,160
this individual has moved in. I think it

3856
02:53:52,160 --> 02:53:53,520
was at the end of September.

3857
02:53:53,520 --> 02:53:56,160
>> It's officially still be going through

3858
02:53:56,160 --> 02:53:57,760
civil service at the moment. So, it's

3859
02:53:57,760 --> 02:53:59,359
not quite official, which is why it's

3860
02:53:59,359 --> 02:54:03,750
like limbo at the moment.

3861
02:54:03,760 --> 02:54:09,760
» How much? But you also said that they still want to say six claims.

3862
02:54:09,760 --> 02:54:11,439
So, does that mean that there would be a

3863
02:54:11,439 --> 02:54:14,640
vacancy of the petition would be there?

3864
02:54:14,640 --> 02:54:16,880
will be a vacancy once the

3865
02:54:16,880 --> 02:54:18,240
transition completed.

3866
02:54:18,240 --> 02:54:20,479
>> Okay. And so what would that increase

3867
02:54:20,479 --> 02:54:23,120
this budget?

3868
02:54:23,120 --> 02:54:30,870
>> This paint

3869
02:54:30,880 --> 02:54:34,240
less than 60,000.

3870
02:54:34,240 --> 02:54:39,910
Additionally 55,000

3871
02:54:39,920 --> 02:54:45,830
here

3872
02:54:45,840 --> 02:54:49,510
benefits.

3873
02:54:49,520 --> 02:54:59,349
See

3874
02:54:59,359 --> 02:55:11,429
it up to 170.

3875
02:55:11,439 --> 02:55:14,880
So is the payment make the same um same

3876
02:55:14,880 --> 02:55:17,120
salary that they're making

3877
02:55:17,120 --> 02:55:19,120
as clean currently?

3878
02:55:19,120 --> 02:55:20,880
>> No increase.

3879
02:55:20,880 --> 02:55:22,000
>> Okay.

3880
02:55:22,000 --> 02:55:26,950
>> Thank you.

3881
02:55:26,960 --> 02:55:29,040
» Please go ahead. uh not that you can be

3882
02:55:29,040 --> 02:55:31,920
excuse me knowledgeable like operations

3883
02:55:31,920 --> 02:55:34,240
in other areas for departments but um

3884
02:55:34,240 --> 02:55:36,000
with respect to waste removal and how

3885
02:55:36,000 --> 02:55:40,640
they use like uh um Mos um how

3886
02:55:40,640 --> 02:55:42,240
interchangeable are painters like is

3887
02:55:42,240 --> 02:55:44,399
that a position where right here you

3888
02:55:44,399 --> 02:55:48,160
have painter and

3889
02:55:48,160 --> 02:55:52,640
sign maintenance that's the A3310

3890
02:55:52,640 --> 02:55:54,960
and there's also a painter in property

3891
02:55:54,960 --> 02:55:57,600
management which is A1621

3892
02:55:57,600 --> 02:55:59,520
21. Is there is there any

3893
02:55:59,520 --> 02:56:08,309
interchangeability?

3894
02:56:08,319 --> 02:56:10,160
» Are there any other question for the

3895
02:56:10,160 --> 02:56:12,399
section

3896
02:56:12,399 --> 02:56:15,279
maintenance? Seeing none, we'll move to

3897
02:56:15,279 --> 02:56:22,070
the next page. Utilities traffic.

3898
02:56:22,080 --> 02:56:27,120
Yes, that increased by 34.5%

3899
02:56:27,120 --> 02:56:31,590
approximately 144,000.

3900
02:56:31,600 --> 02:56:33,200
» I'm sorry, what page you said? I'm

3901
02:56:33,200 --> 02:56:33,520
sorry.

3902
02:56:33,520 --> 02:56:35,040
>> 37.

3903
02:56:35,040 --> 02:56:37,920
>> Okay, thanks.

3904
02:56:37,920 --> 02:56:40,479
>> Anything to highlight?

3905
02:56:40,479 --> 02:56:42,800
>> Sorry that we have two line workers

3906
02:56:42,800 --> 02:56:46,399
currently and down the line we have

3907
02:56:46,399 --> 02:56:49,439
three, but that's you know future talk.

3908
02:56:49,439 --> 02:56:51,840
right now as this budget this is correct

3909
02:56:51,840 --> 02:56:53,760
just something to prepare for in the

3910
02:56:53,760 --> 02:56:56,160
future. We these two gentlemen are

3911
02:56:56,160 --> 02:56:57,920
towards the end of their you know

3912
02:56:57,920 --> 02:57:01,120
working careers and ideally we have some

3913
02:57:01,120 --> 02:57:02,880
weight in the wings to learn but might

3914
02:57:02,880 --> 02:57:04,640
be a cross trainining sort of situation.

3915
02:57:04,640 --> 02:57:08,560
So three should be the number that we uh

3916
02:57:08,560 --> 02:57:11,680
look to have in the future but the math

3917
02:57:11,680 --> 02:57:15,920
remain two as we cross train this.

3918
02:57:15,920 --> 02:57:19,040
So you you had the um in 25 the adopted

3919
02:57:19,040 --> 02:57:21,760
budget was two. Were both of those

3920
02:57:21,760 --> 02:57:23,200
positions filled?

3921
02:57:23,200 --> 02:57:27,040
>> We had a supervising line worker.

3922
02:57:27,040 --> 02:57:29,200
>> So you we moved one of the line workers

3923
02:57:29,200 --> 02:57:32,160
to the supervisor position.

3924
02:57:32,160 --> 02:57:34,720
>> Thank you.

3925
02:57:34,720 --> 02:57:38,870
>> Any other questions?

3926
02:57:38,880 --> 02:57:42,080
Seeing none, we'll move to page

3927
02:57:42,080 --> 02:57:46,309
51.

3928
02:57:46,319 --> 02:57:50,790
for the bottom three

3929
02:57:50,800 --> 02:57:54,550
include 5.15%

3930
02:57:54,560 --> 02:58:12,469
approximately 3600.

3931
02:58:12,479 --> 02:58:14,720
Um

3932
02:58:14,720 --> 02:58:16,319
>> street lighting that has to do with

3933
02:58:16,319 --> 02:58:20,240
administrative expense life follows.

3934
02:58:20,240 --> 02:58:21,840
>> Yeah

3935
02:58:21,840 --> 02:58:26,479
expense 42. Yeah. So that's for the

3936
02:58:26,479 --> 02:58:28,240
um

3937
02:58:28,240 --> 02:58:33,040
yeah services which we have uh in Japan

3938
02:58:33,040 --> 02:58:36,080
Jones and service fee. So I think

3939
02:58:36,080 --> 02:58:39,840
they're increasing a little bit in their

3940
02:58:39,840 --> 02:58:44,319
um annual maintenance rate. So that's a

3941
02:58:44,319 --> 02:58:49,670
little bit higher than that. Expensive

3942
02:58:49,680 --> 02:58:51,760
the annual maintenance they're

3943
02:58:51,760 --> 02:59:02,389
increasing from part.

3944
02:59:02,399 --> 02:59:04,640
So you're saying that the light bulb gas

3945
02:59:04,640 --> 02:59:07,600
any

3946
02:59:07,600 --> 02:59:12,870
light gas I think is the

3947
02:59:12,880 --> 02:59:26,550
» Yeah.

3948
02:59:26,560 --> 02:59:27,920
» Oh no. We're just asking about the

3949
02:59:27,920 --> 02:59:31,760
light. Yes. In terms of the the numbers,

3950
02:59:31,760 --> 02:59:34,080
does that cover any smart city program

3951
02:59:34,080 --> 02:59:36,560
under this light?

3952
02:59:36,560 --> 02:59:38,640
>> I don't believe so.

3953
02:59:38,640 --> 02:59:39,520
>> No, it doesn't.

3954
02:59:39,520 --> 02:59:41,600
>> White power and gas. That's that's

3955
02:59:41,600 --> 02:59:45,830
strictly national.

3956
02:59:45,840 --> 02:59:48,960
» And then we're at 1.3 million here to

3957
02:59:48,960 --> 02:59:52,960
date as of uh September.

3958
02:59:52,960 --> 02:59:57,269
>> Okay.

3959
02:59:57,279 --> 03:00:00,800
Do you have any other thoughts or

3960
03:00:00,800 --> 03:00:04,640
so? 1.3 million pounds. You think that's

3961
03:00:04,640 --> 03:00:07,680
enough budgeted for with the increases I

3962
03:00:07,680 --> 03:00:09,680
mean we're personally facing

3963
03:00:09,680 --> 03:00:12,240
>> at home? I'm sure you work these numbers

3964
03:00:12,240 --> 03:00:13,920
out, but you think that's enough to get

3965
03:00:13,920 --> 03:00:15,600
us through next year? I think so.

3966
03:00:15,600 --> 03:00:19,830
>> Okay.

3967
03:00:19,840 --> 03:00:20,800
Any other questions?

3968
03:00:20,800 --> 03:00:22,240
>> I'm sorry. I think I must have missed

3969
03:00:22,240 --> 03:00:25,840
this flipping but um what's in the

3970
03:00:25,840 --> 03:00:28,160
administrative expense there?

3971
03:00:28,160 --> 03:00:33,760
>> Um yeah so is uh the annual uh

3972
03:00:33,760 --> 03:00:36,960
maintenance cost uh which we have to pay

3973
03:00:36,960 --> 03:00:39,840
to BPM for all the loads we talked

3974
03:00:39,840 --> 03:00:44,080
about. So like 200 upgrading to that but

3975
03:00:44,080 --> 03:00:47,760
we have like 700 total.

3976
03:00:47,760 --> 03:00:48,479
725

3977
03:00:48,479 --> 03:00:53,279
>> 725 on that the charge went up on that.

3978
03:00:53,279 --> 03:00:53,680
>> Wow.

3979
03:00:53,680 --> 03:00:56,880
>> So they're increasing um actually you

3980
03:00:56,880 --> 03:00:59,600
know they're increasing

3981
03:00:59,600 --> 03:01:01,359
I don't know it's like 57 grand or

3982
03:01:01,359 --> 03:01:02,160
something.

3983
03:01:02,160 --> 03:01:05,439
>> Yeah. So that's the data so they're

3984
03:01:05,439 --> 03:01:08,000
increasing.

3985
03:01:08,000 --> 03:01:10,160
>> Is that why we saw that huge jump from

3986
03:01:10,160 --> 03:01:13,120
2024 to 2025?

3987
03:01:13,120 --> 03:01:17,680
>> Yeah. 2025 not one month but 2026 is

3988
03:01:17,680 --> 03:01:21,279
>> 57 57 that's what you mentioned 57,000

3989
03:01:21,279 --> 03:01:22,399
increase

3990
03:01:22,399 --> 03:01:24,479
>> and that's going directly to the the

3991
03:01:24,479 --> 03:01:25,520
service provider

3992
03:01:25,520 --> 03:01:28,720
>> yeah service provider and we spoke to

3993
03:01:28,720 --> 03:01:31,600
service provider tried to negotiate it

3994
03:01:31,600 --> 03:01:33,359
brought the cost down that's why you see

3995
03:01:33,359 --> 03:01:36,080
this number this was like 90 grand

3996
03:01:36,080 --> 03:01:39,750
before

3997
03:01:39,760 --> 03:01:49,830
and try to bring the cost Yeah.

3998
03:01:49,840 --> 03:01:52,640
» Any other questions for this department?

3999
03:01:52,640 --> 03:01:57,910
See none. Thank you so much. Thanks.

4000
03:01:57,920 --> 03:01:59,680
Good work.

4001
03:01:59,680 --> 03:02:01,840
Okay,

4002
03:02:01,840 --> 03:02:08,870
we are going to close the page 61.

4003
03:02:08,880 --> 03:02:19,990
Let's start.

4004
03:02:20,000 --> 03:02:26,389
Sorry.

4005
03:02:26,399 --> 03:02:30,150
» Yeah.

4006
03:02:30,160 --> 03:02:37,429
» That's pretty darn good.

4007
03:02:37,439 --> 03:02:41,840
» Okay. The development 8686 page 61

4008
03:02:41,840 --> 03:02:47,439
increase by 0.58% approximately 3000

4009
03:02:47,439 --> 03:03:05,750
increase.

4010
03:03:05,760 --> 03:03:09,279
So for the salaries, all of these

4011
03:03:09,279 --> 03:03:11,359
positions are currently filled with

4012
03:03:11,359 --> 03:03:14,880
exception of our principal planner

4013
03:03:14,880 --> 03:03:18,790
recently

4014
03:03:18,800 --> 03:03:25,670
resign.

4015
03:03:25,680 --> 03:03:29,590
» No

4016
03:03:29,600 --> 03:03:31,040
highlight. you don't need. Sir,

4017
03:03:31,040 --> 03:03:35,120
>> one question um that I need to mention

4018
03:03:35,120 --> 03:03:38,240
is the number for

4019
03:03:38,240 --> 03:03:41,200
overtime for the admin salaries went

4020
03:03:41,200 --> 03:03:43,279
down to 500

4021
03:03:43,279 --> 03:03:46,720
and we have to be able even though I do

4022
03:03:46,720 --> 03:03:49,200
encourage my team to do comp time. We

4023
03:03:49,200 --> 03:03:51,520
really need a line item there because if

4024
03:03:51,520 --> 03:03:55,200
they choose to, especially with missing

4025
03:03:55,200 --> 03:03:57,200
um the principal planner right now would

4026
03:03:57,200 --> 03:03:59,040
like to be able to have that option if

4027
03:03:59,040 --> 03:04:01,760
they work over. Now, they do really well

4028
03:04:01,760 --> 03:04:04,720
with doing that with company time, but I

4029
03:04:04,720 --> 03:04:08,319
think 500 is pretty much zero when I

4030
03:04:08,319 --> 03:04:19,590
have two people managing my plan.

4031
03:04:19,600 --> 03:04:22,160
So

4032
03:04:22,160 --> 03:04:28,150
>> overtime is that like a

4033
03:04:28,160 --> 03:04:31,520
» so so and department like there's like a

4034
03:04:31,520 --> 03:04:36,640
stipen for overtime, right? So

4035
03:04:36,640 --> 03:04:39,760
>> it's not just over.

4036
03:04:39,760 --> 03:04:41,760
>> Oh, for the contractual people they see.

4037
03:04:41,760 --> 03:04:43,359
Oh, okay.

4038
03:04:43,359 --> 03:04:50,070
>> Plan commission zone board.

4039
03:04:50,080 --> 03:04:53,200
So that $500

4040
03:04:53,200 --> 03:04:56,399
that is in the budget is supposed to go

4041
03:04:56,399 --> 03:04:59,439
for the three current people on staff

4042
03:04:59,439 --> 03:05:01,920
that they choose to do overtime

4043
03:05:01,920 --> 03:05:07,110
attending their commission.

4044
03:05:07,120 --> 03:05:09,600
Is that really?

4045
03:05:09,600 --> 03:05:11,439
>> No, but like I said, most of the time

4046
03:05:11,439 --> 03:05:14,000
they they are okay fulfilling comp time,

4047
03:05:14,000 --> 03:05:16,160
but I would like them to remain the

4048
03:05:16,160 --> 03:05:18,800
remaining thousand just in case

4049
03:05:18,800 --> 03:05:21,040
something occurs in their um you know

4050
03:05:21,040 --> 03:05:24,960
compound doesn't work like

4051
03:05:24,960 --> 03:05:26,560
>> I have another part of my question as

4052
03:05:26,560 --> 03:05:29,520
well. Um so I noticed that other

4053
03:05:29,520 --> 03:05:32,000
department heads had stipens but I don't

4054
03:05:32,000 --> 03:05:34,080
see any sip

4055
03:05:34,080 --> 03:05:36,319
um in your

4056
03:05:36,319 --> 03:05:39,600
department originally um we did submit

4057
03:05:39,600 --> 03:05:44,399
for stipen which was for ser for um

4058
03:05:44,399 --> 03:05:46,880
$7,000 which would be for two um

4059
03:05:46,880 --> 03:05:49,920
employees to do so like 3500 a piece but

4060
03:05:49,920 --> 03:05:58,469
that didn't make it to the final

4061
03:05:58,479 --> 03:05:59,600
Is there a reason that certain

4062
03:05:59,600 --> 03:06:02,640
departments aren't

4063
03:06:02,640 --> 03:06:03,600
considered?

4064
03:06:03,600 --> 03:06:05,920
>> I think most department heads that

4065
03:06:05,920 --> 03:06:08,240
receive it are commissioners for the

4066
03:06:08,240 --> 03:06:10,640
most part. I mean the ones that have

4067
03:06:10,640 --> 03:06:16,000
been on call like uh for example um the

4068
03:06:16,000 --> 03:06:18,640
IT department

4069
03:06:18,640 --> 03:06:22,479
reaching out emails and they always you

4070
03:06:22,479 --> 03:06:24,000
know I can reach out to him any point in

4071
03:06:24,000 --> 03:06:29,600
time I mean answer calls email

4072
03:06:29,600 --> 03:06:34,319
>> so it's all before call essentially

4073
03:06:34,319 --> 03:06:37,510
>> yes

4074
03:06:37,520 --> 03:06:45,990
really emergency.

4075
03:06:46,000 --> 03:06:49,359
» Yeah. So, I thought that we had um

4076
03:06:49,359 --> 03:06:50,880
maybe I should just go back and look. I

4077
03:06:50,880 --> 03:06:57,670
thought we had one a

4078
03:06:57,680 --> 03:07:04,550
check.

4079
03:07:04,560 --> 03:07:13,030
There it is.

4080
03:07:13,040 --> 03:07:19,760
I can't find but I thought that I the position I'm thinking about would

4081
03:07:19,760 --> 03:07:21,520
not be calling people in over time. Let

4082
03:07:21,520 --> 03:07:29,030
me go through my back.

4083
03:07:29,040 --> 03:07:31,120
» Just a comment. Conceivably, if the

4084
03:07:31,120 --> 03:07:32,880
principal planner position isn't hired

4085
03:07:32,880 --> 03:07:37,040
right away, could a substantial portion

4086
03:07:37,040 --> 03:07:39,760
of that be moved

4087
03:07:39,760 --> 03:07:48,389
to a line which would be over time.

4088
03:07:48,399 --> 03:07:51,040
It depends how we I mean they could

4089
03:07:51,040 --> 03:07:54,479
potentially use some of that money um

4090
03:07:54,479 --> 03:08:05,830
the data bring or depending that develop

4091
03:08:05,840 --> 03:08:07,359
» so I guess this is a little bit more

4092
03:08:07,359 --> 03:08:10,160
clarification

4093
03:08:10,160 --> 03:08:12,240
asking right now that position isn't

4094
03:08:12,240 --> 03:08:14,160
filled without that position being

4095
03:08:14,160 --> 03:08:16,720
filled how does that impact other people

4096
03:08:16,720 --> 03:08:18,399
within your department

4097
03:08:18,399 --> 03:08:20,000
Well, right now I'm on the principal

4098
03:08:20,000 --> 03:08:23,590
planner,

4099
03:08:23,600 --> 03:08:25,840
» but we we have an we have an amazing

4100
03:08:25,840 --> 03:08:29,279
team. It does um add to the workload of

4101
03:08:29,279 --> 03:08:31,520
my planner one and my assistant planner,

4102
03:08:31,520 --> 03:08:34,000
which both have stepped up um to do

4103
03:08:34,000 --> 03:08:35,920
additional things as we transition with

4104
03:08:35,920 --> 03:08:39,359
the law school. But right now, I'm I am

4105
03:08:39,359 --> 03:08:41,279
the decision maker. Not that I wasn't

4106
03:08:41,279 --> 03:08:43,760
before, but I had a an in between

4107
03:08:43,760 --> 03:08:45,359
management staff, but I'm the decision

4108
03:08:45,359 --> 03:08:49,279
maker. more hands-on approach now.

4109
03:08:49,279 --> 03:08:50,080
Go ahead.

4110
03:08:50,080 --> 03:08:53,520
>> Um, in hiring the um, new principal

4111
03:08:53,520 --> 03:08:55,040
planner, would you have to bring that

4112
03:08:55,040 --> 03:08:58,479
person in at this salary or is that just

4113
03:08:58,479 --> 03:09:01,600
because of um, you know, that person was

4114
03:09:01,600 --> 03:09:03,840
there for so long? And

4115
03:09:03,840 --> 03:09:06,000
>> yeah, I I don't know. I guess that

4116
03:09:06,000 --> 03:09:08,000
depends on that depends on the level of

4117
03:09:08,000 --> 03:09:10,399
experience. If we have somebody that has

4118
03:09:10,399 --> 03:09:12,479
25 years experience that we bringing on,

4119
03:09:12,479 --> 03:09:14,560
I think that would be equivalent to what

4120
03:09:14,560 --> 03:09:16,399
we lost.

4121
03:09:16,399 --> 03:09:17,920
in our previous planner.

4122
03:09:17,920 --> 03:09:21,750
>> Okie dokie.

4123
03:09:21,760 --> 03:09:24,880
» The these are technical position and

4124
03:09:24,880 --> 03:09:26,399
>> it's hard to get them fill.

4125
03:09:26,399 --> 03:09:28,960
>> Yes.

4126
03:09:28,960 --> 03:09:32,160
>> I'm speaking on a private sector

4127
03:09:32,160 --> 03:09:34,560
position.

4128
03:09:34,560 --> 03:09:37,840
Any other questions for this section?

4129
03:09:37,840 --> 03:09:39,439
Anything else you like to highlight to

4130
03:09:39,439 --> 03:09:42,710
us?

4131
03:09:42,720 --> 03:09:48,790
And you know these historic

4132
03:09:48,800 --> 03:09:51,200
» I actually proposed that based on what

4133
03:09:51,200 --> 03:09:53,439
we spent last year. So in there it's

4134
03:09:53,439 --> 03:09:56,160
like our arborist um our consultant for

4135
03:09:56,160 --> 03:09:58,240
the tree program. So I made that

4136
03:09:58,240 --> 03:10:00,160
decision to drop it because the reality

4137
03:10:00,160 --> 03:10:02,399
is we didn't we didn't need that much

4138
03:10:02,399 --> 03:10:06,230
money.

4139
03:10:06,240 --> 03:10:10,319
» Okay. So we move to page uh

4140
03:10:10,319 --> 03:10:15,640
62 community development commission

4141
03:10:15,640 --> 03:10:17,359
[Music]

4142
03:10:17,359 --> 03:10:19,200
>> sir.

4143
03:10:19,200 --> 03:10:22,479
>> So again this is another this training

4144
03:10:22,479 --> 03:10:23,680
line

4145
03:10:23,680 --> 03:10:26,640
>> where that went down to 1,000. I just

4146
03:10:26,640 --> 03:10:28,479
want to reiterate that this is training

4147
03:10:28,479 --> 03:10:30,880
that has to be offered to the planners

4148
03:10:30,880 --> 03:10:33,359
and all three of the commissioners. So,

4149
03:10:33,359 --> 03:10:37,279
$1,000 isn't is not going to to cut it.

4150
03:10:37,279 --> 03:10:39,359
We have to be able it is written. We

4151
03:10:39,359 --> 03:10:41,040
have to be able to offer that training.

4152
03:10:41,040 --> 03:10:42,640
And if I want to continue to have best

4153
03:10:42,640 --> 03:10:44,880
in class as far as planners, especially

4154
03:10:44,880 --> 03:10:47,520
with the losing somebody that's been in

4155
03:10:47,520 --> 03:10:56,790
this role for $25, I need to

4156
03:10:56,800 --> 03:10:59,439
» I need to be able to offer them training

4157
03:10:59,439 --> 03:11:01,520
if if I want the best in class. I mean,

4158
03:11:01,520 --> 03:11:03,279
they they need an opportunity to go to

4159
03:11:03,279 --> 03:11:06,000
training. And that also that line covers

4160
03:11:06,000 --> 03:11:09,680
when city council goes to the planning

4161
03:11:09,680 --> 03:11:11,760
conference that usually happens every

4162
03:11:11,760 --> 03:11:14,640
year when we offer it to you for those

4163
03:11:14,640 --> 03:11:17,200
who do attend in Saratoga because my

4164
03:11:17,200 --> 03:11:21,120
department offers it to you every year.

4165
03:11:21,120 --> 03:11:22,640
>> Yes.

4166
03:11:22,640 --> 03:11:27,200
Um but $1,000 is not enough.

4167
03:11:27,200 --> 03:11:29,120
>> So I I just have a question.

4168
03:11:29,120 --> 03:11:30,560
>> Yes.

4169
03:11:30,560 --> 03:11:32,240
Oh, I just had a question. So, this is

4170
03:11:32,240 --> 03:11:35,600
your proposed budget, right? So, the 500

4171
03:11:35,600 --> 03:11:38,479
um for overtime. Why didn't we put a,000

4172
03:11:38,479 --> 03:11:38,960
in?

4173
03:11:38,960 --> 03:11:41,439
>> I did put 1,000. This isn't my proposed

4174
03:11:41,439 --> 03:11:42,800
budget did not make it. This is the

4175
03:11:42,800 --> 03:11:44,000
final budget. Okay.

4176
03:11:44,000 --> 03:11:45,760
>> So, that's those are the things that

4177
03:11:45,760 --> 03:11:47,600
some things got cut and I'm fine with,

4178
03:11:47,600 --> 03:11:50,080
but I'm highlighting the things that

4179
03:11:50,080 --> 03:11:53,359
it's beneficial that it stays.

4180
03:11:53,359 --> 03:11:55,279
>> Okay.

4181
03:11:55,279 --> 03:11:59,040
Miss uh Patrick and you had do you have

4182
03:11:59,040 --> 03:12:00,399
it now or

4183
03:12:00,399 --> 03:12:01,920
>> I don't think so.

4184
03:12:01,920 --> 03:12:03,680
>> Oh, I was just gonna ask if the when you

4185
03:12:03,680 --> 03:12:05,040
said that they have to have the

4186
03:12:05,040 --> 03:12:06,960
training, are they mandatory training

4187
03:12:06,960 --> 03:12:08,319
>> for the commissioners? Yes.

4188
03:12:08,319 --> 03:12:08,880
>> Oh, okay.

4189
03:12:08,880 --> 03:12:10,560
>> Yes, they are.

4190
03:12:10,560 --> 03:12:14,800
>> Go ahead, please. So, I just wanted to point out the fact that you took out

4191
03:12:14,800 --> 03:12:18,960
15,000 on your um visa services

4192
03:12:18,960 --> 03:12:21,200
>> and you're just asking us to restore the

4193
03:12:21,200 --> 03:12:25,040
mandatory training back another 1500.

4194
03:12:25,040 --> 03:12:25,439
>> Yes.

4195
03:12:25,439 --> 03:12:26,640
>> And the overall

4196
03:12:26,640 --> 03:12:28,640
>> 3,000

4197
03:12:28,640 --> 03:12:31,200
that I asked for 3,000 in that line.

4198
03:12:31,200 --> 03:12:33,680
>> You're asking for 3,000. Okay.

4199
03:12:33,680 --> 03:12:34,479
>> Mhm.

4200
03:12:34,479 --> 03:12:36,479
>> 231,000.

4201
03:12:36,479 --> 03:12:38,319
>> And you want you you're asking for the

4202
03:12:38,319 --> 03:12:41,760
overtime to be back up to a,000. Yes.

4203
03:12:41,760 --> 03:12:43,680
Okay.

4204
03:12:43,680 --> 03:12:47,750
All right. Thank you.

4205
03:12:47,760 --> 03:12:51,279
» Any other questions?

4206
03:12:51,279 --> 03:12:58,320
>> Okay. Sorry.

4207
03:12:58,330 --> 03:13:07,670
[Music]

4208
03:13:07,680 --> 03:13:11,830
» You can't without a statement.

4209
03:13:11,840 --> 03:13:13,520
community development increased by like

4210
03:13:13,520 --> 03:13:19,840
a 62% uh approximately $3,000 increase.

4211
03:13:19,840 --> 03:13:22,319
>> Okay.

4212
03:13:22,319 --> 03:13:24,800
>> All position on all positions except for

4213
03:13:24,800 --> 03:13:27,120
the new senior assistant position is

4214
03:13:27,120 --> 03:13:29,760
full. I'm happy to report that.

4215
03:13:29,760 --> 03:13:34,640
>> Um this year we operated with very short

4216
03:13:34,640 --> 03:13:36,479
staff in the community development. We

4217
03:13:36,479 --> 03:13:38,160
filled Sylvia's position which was

4218
03:13:38,160 --> 03:13:41,200
empty, a year and a half for program

4219
03:13:41,200 --> 03:13:42,560
monitor

4220
03:13:42,560 --> 03:13:45,600
>> and we had 6 months without a program

4221
03:13:45,600 --> 03:13:48,479
accounts clerk. Uh so I'm happy to say

4222
03:13:48,479 --> 03:13:50,800
that those are those two positions are

4223
03:13:50,800 --> 03:13:54,399
full. The CD assistant position is in

4224
03:13:54,399 --> 03:13:56,160
full because there's a portion that got

4225
03:13:56,160 --> 03:13:59,520
missed with civil service that Katie is

4226
03:13:59,520 --> 03:14:04,399
working on. It was something um

4227
03:14:04,399 --> 03:14:07,200
the correct verbage but why I can't hire

4228
03:14:07,200 --> 03:14:09,120
when I went to go hire somebody and it

4229
03:14:09,120 --> 03:14:11,200
hadn't gone through the full process

4230
03:14:11,200 --> 03:14:12,319
with the county

4231
03:14:12,319 --> 03:14:14,000
>> and which position of that

4232
03:14:14,000 --> 03:14:19,760
>> um see the assistant

4233
03:14:19,760 --> 03:14:22,479
>> new it was there when I got here in the

4234
03:14:22,479 --> 03:14:25,990
budget

4235
03:14:26,000 --> 03:14:26,560
» go ahead

4236
03:14:26,560 --> 03:14:28,160
>> was there a person in it when you got

4237
03:14:28,160 --> 03:14:28,399
here

4238
03:14:28,399 --> 03:14:30,239
>> no it was a new position that I was

4239
03:14:30,239 --> 03:14:32,720
looking to fill that my predecessor had

4240
03:14:32,720 --> 03:14:34,880
got approved for but there was something

4241
03:14:34,880 --> 03:14:37,359
on our that didn't happen.

4242
03:14:37,359 --> 03:14:39,840
>> I understand. Um but so in other words,

4243
03:14:39,840 --> 03:14:41,600
you've been able to operate without the

4244
03:14:41,600 --> 03:14:42,720
CD assistant

4245
03:14:42,720 --> 03:14:43,840
>> barely.

4246
03:14:43,840 --> 03:14:45,760
>> Okay.

4247
03:14:45,760 --> 03:14:47,920
>> Which is why we have a part-time we had

4248
03:14:47,920 --> 03:14:50,560
two part-time people consultants pretty

4249
03:14:50,560 --> 03:14:52,720
much hurting and helping us.

4250
03:14:52,720 --> 03:14:54,399
>> Thank you.

4251
03:14:54,399 --> 03:14:56,080
>> And are you saying that those people are

4252
03:14:56,080 --> 03:14:58,560
no longer there? two part time.

4253
03:14:58,560 --> 03:15:02,239
>> One part time is no longer part time.

4254
03:15:02,239 --> 03:15:04,319
>> Um I do have a further question about

4255
03:15:04,319 --> 03:15:08,560
the um under the line 88687 the program

4256
03:15:08,560 --> 03:15:10,720
account for I see that it went down is

4257
03:15:10,720 --> 03:15:12,399
that a new person in that position?

4258
03:15:12,399 --> 03:15:15,200
>> Yes, it is. Okay.

4259
03:15:15,200 --> 03:15:19,040
>> So going back to the the part was it was

4260
03:15:19,040 --> 03:15:22,319
this to help pick up the workload for

4261
03:15:22,319 --> 03:15:24,080
these position that was not filled. Is

4262
03:15:24,080 --> 03:15:27,120
that correct? But since you are in all

4263
03:15:27,120 --> 03:15:30,319
these position and fill up, would you be

4264
03:15:30,319 --> 03:15:34,160
uh downsizing in the parttime line?

4265
03:15:34,160 --> 03:15:38,479
>> Well, that is one person.

4266
03:15:38,479 --> 03:15:39,680
>> Well, there's somebody in it.

4267
03:15:39,680 --> 03:15:41,680
>> There's somebody in it. It used to be

4268
03:15:41,680 --> 03:15:46,640
two, but it's still that is one person.

4269
03:15:46,640 --> 03:15:50,239
>> Well, last year last year budget 54,000.

4270
03:15:50,239 --> 03:15:54,000
This year proposed 54.

4271
03:15:54,000 --> 03:15:55,200
this year proposal

4272
03:15:55,200 --> 03:15:59,840
>> 50,000 sorry last year 54

4273
03:15:59,840 --> 03:16:02,399
>> just let me

4274
03:16:02,399 --> 03:16:03,439
>> second sorry

4275
03:16:03,439 --> 03:16:07,680
>> no this was two 2025 is 254,000

4276
03:16:07,680 --> 03:16:10,880
for two part time

4277
03:16:10,880 --> 03:16:16,080
>> so and her hourly work at $20

4278
03:16:16,080 --> 03:16:20,080
at 20 hours a week is over that is 52

4279
03:16:20,080 --> 03:16:26,790
she makes $50 an

4280
03:16:26,800 --> 03:16:28,800
So, do you you still need a part-time

4281
03:16:28,800 --> 03:16:29,520
position?

4282
03:16:29,520 --> 03:16:32,160
>> Yes, that position

4283
03:16:32,160 --> 03:16:33,760
manages

4284
03:16:33,760 --> 03:16:36,479
a very important role. She that position

4285
03:16:36,479 --> 03:16:38,960
manages home.

4286
03:16:38,960 --> 03:16:46,630
>> So, our home projects

4287
03:16:46,640 --> 03:16:52,710
Anything

4288
03:16:52,720 --> 03:16:54,720
else?

4289
03:16:54,720 --> 03:16:55,920
Go ahead.

4290
03:16:55,920 --> 03:16:58,800
>> Community development equipment.

4291
03:16:58,800 --> 03:17:00,399
Nothing proposed for this year is

4292
03:17:00,399 --> 03:17:01,840
$4,000.

4293
03:17:01,840 --> 03:17:04,479
>> Yeah. Minimum most anything that we need

4294
03:17:04,479 --> 03:17:05,840
for community development is

4295
03:17:05,840 --> 03:17:08,319
reimburseable from CDBG. So it doesn't

4296
03:17:08,319 --> 03:17:12,880
impact our general funds. Thank you.

4297
03:17:12,880 --> 03:17:15,600
But that just mean you said most of it

4298
03:17:15,600 --> 03:17:18,640
is reimburseable through

4299
03:17:18,640 --> 03:17:22,479
how much how much money is reimburseable

4300
03:17:22,479 --> 03:17:23,840
coming out of your department through

4301
03:17:23,840 --> 03:17:25,040
like the

4302
03:17:25,040 --> 03:17:29,200
>> Well, we have each year we have our CDBG

4303
03:17:29,200 --> 03:17:32,319
own funds. So that's roughly 3.1 million

4304
03:17:32,319 --> 03:17:35,680
that's all reimburseable. So each year

4305
03:17:35,680 --> 03:17:38,800
is roughly in salaries from each one.

4306
03:17:38,800 --> 03:17:41,520
And I'm just thinking this might not be

4307
03:17:41,520 --> 03:17:46,640
all the way accurate, but 234,000

4308
03:17:46,640 --> 03:17:50,080
in salaries from CDBG I believe is on

4309
03:17:50,080 --> 03:17:54,239
our admin line. Um 100

4310
03:17:54,239 --> 03:17:57,439
maybe 100,000

4311
03:17:57,439 --> 03:17:59,439
for home.

4312
03:17:59,439 --> 03:18:02,319
So far the community development those

4313
03:18:02,319 --> 03:18:09,030
roles are still

4314
03:18:09,040 --> 03:18:13,830
might be good information to have

4315
03:18:13,840 --> 03:18:20,309
» I don't know those numbers on

4316
03:18:20,319 --> 03:18:22,399
you step up.

4317
03:18:22,399 --> 03:18:24,080
>> Would you like to follow up?

4318
03:18:24,080 --> 03:18:25,840
>> Yeah, I think I was just thinking we

4319
03:18:25,840 --> 03:18:28,399
might want to look at that.

4320
03:18:28,399 --> 03:18:30,399
You want to follow up with a question?

4321
03:18:30,399 --> 03:18:32,960
>> Yeah. Yeah. I was just I'll be there.

4322
03:18:32,960 --> 03:18:35,040
>> Just pick it up already. Just do it

4323
03:18:35,040 --> 03:18:35,840
right away.

4324
03:18:35,840 --> 03:18:37,120
>> I was just saying maybe we need to look

4325
03:18:37,120 --> 03:18:39,200
at like I'd like to see those numbers

4326
03:18:39,200 --> 03:18:40,960
that we're talking about. That's all as

4327
03:18:40,960 --> 03:18:43,120
>> reimburse. Can we make that please?

4328
03:18:43,120 --> 03:18:44,800
>> Yeah. Thank you.

4329
03:18:44,800 --> 03:18:48,080
>> Our annual action plan that we publish

4330
03:18:48,080 --> 03:18:51,520
each year. It'll list out what we put

4331
03:18:51,520 --> 03:18:56,790
towards adhesion.

4332
03:18:56,800 --> 03:19:03,670
So it is public information

4333
03:19:03,680 --> 03:19:06,239
» under this um section. You have $5,000

4334
03:19:06,239 --> 03:19:08,880
inside for timing.

4335
03:19:08,880 --> 03:19:11,279
>> Yes.

4336
03:19:11,279 --> 03:19:14,399
The same as that I asked for before. We

4337
03:19:14,399 --> 03:19:16,319
have CS

4338
03:19:16,319 --> 03:19:19,359
people there.

4339
03:19:19,359 --> 03:19:21,040
>> Any other questions?

4340
03:19:21,040 --> 03:19:24,720
>> Go ahead. But I mean that's only $5,000

4341
03:19:24,720 --> 03:19:26,479
not equipment but we haven't spent any

4342
03:19:26,479 --> 03:19:29,680
of it yet year to date.

4343
03:19:29,680 --> 03:19:32,319
We had

4344
03:19:32,319 --> 03:19:35,359
because the team is doing

4345
03:19:35,359 --> 03:19:37,920
you know they're coming in late staying

4346
03:19:37,920 --> 03:19:40,399
late they're they're flexing in the same

4347
03:19:40,399 --> 03:19:42,399
day. So if they know they have to be

4348
03:19:42,399 --> 03:19:45,439
here for a meeting they're coming there

4349
03:19:45,439 --> 03:19:48,560
later you know that which doesn't always

4350
03:19:48,560 --> 03:19:50,880
work cuz we got work to do. that doesn't

4351
03:19:50,880 --> 03:19:58,710
that's not always the the best option.

4352
03:19:58,720 --> 03:20:02,800
» So, how do you track these contents?

4353
03:20:02,800 --> 03:20:05,439
>> We have a time sheet that they put in

4354
03:20:05,439 --> 03:20:08,080
every day that they sign in every day.

4355
03:20:08,080 --> 03:20:09,120
>> That's right. Or just

4356
03:20:09,120 --> 03:20:10,800
>> No, it's manual.

4357
03:20:10,800 --> 03:20:13,040
>> So, you sign in when you come in, you

4358
03:20:13,040 --> 03:20:18,550
sign out when you go home.

4359
03:20:18,560 --> 03:20:21,040
» Okay. Are there any other questions? Are

4360
03:20:21,040 --> 03:20:22,399
there any other things you wanted to

4361
03:20:22,399 --> 03:20:24,000
highlight for us? What's happening in

4362
03:20:24,000 --> 03:20:25,520
the department?

4363
03:20:25,520 --> 03:20:27,920
>> Yes, this is some good things.

4364
03:20:27,920 --> 03:20:29,600
>> Yeah, there's been a lot of there's been

4365
03:20:29,600 --> 03:20:32,080
a lot of good things. Um, this year we

4366
03:20:32,080 --> 03:20:34,880
really focused on implementing all the

4367
03:20:34,880 --> 03:20:37,680
changes that we did in 2024 as far as

4368
03:20:37,680 --> 03:20:40,640
our processing procedures cuz I I could

4369
03:20:40,640 --> 03:20:41,920
remember coming to you saying we're

4370
03:20:41,920 --> 03:20:43,439
doing this, we're doing that. And this

4371
03:20:43,439 --> 03:20:45,760
year, um, the team really wanted to do

4372
03:20:45,760 --> 03:20:48,239
that to be efficient. Um, we've been

4373
03:20:48,239 --> 03:20:51,279
able, we're on track to expend almost

4374
03:20:51,279 --> 03:20:55,040
$2.8 million into the community to our

4375
03:20:55,040 --> 03:20:58,319
nonprofits, which is wonderful. We get

4376
03:20:58,319 --> 03:21:01,359
$3 something million. And this year, we

4377
03:21:01,359 --> 03:21:03,120
are on track. We've spent that money.

4378
03:21:03,120 --> 03:21:04,479
has been in the community.

4379
03:21:04,479 --> 03:21:06,960
Our community, severance are spending

4380
03:21:06,960 --> 03:21:09,840
them, spending those funds. So, those

4381
03:21:09,840 --> 03:21:11,760
likely that need it are getting the

4382
03:21:11,760 --> 03:21:13,120
services that they want. So, that's

4383
03:21:13,120 --> 03:21:15,200
something that I'm extremely proud of.

4384
03:21:15,200 --> 03:21:18,080
Yes, we have some stragglers, but that's

4385
03:21:18,080 --> 03:21:21,279
okay. Um, so we really focused on that.

4386
03:21:21,279 --> 03:21:24,399
Um, we I'm proud of the work that we did

4387
03:21:24,399 --> 03:21:26,640
with being short staff and community

4388
03:21:26,640 --> 03:21:29,120
development. We this year we focused a

4389
03:21:29,120 --> 03:21:31,840
lot of one-on-one technical assistance

4390
03:21:31,840 --> 03:21:33,760
with our subreient and that shows

4391
03:21:33,760 --> 03:21:35,680
they're able to spend the money. We're

4392
03:21:35,680 --> 03:21:37,840
not going to close out this year. When I

4393
03:21:37,840 --> 03:21:39,840
say this year, I'm talking about our

4394
03:21:39,840 --> 03:21:42,319
federal year for community development

4395
03:21:42,319 --> 03:21:45,200
which ended on 9:30. So, we're not going

4396
03:21:45,200 --> 03:21:48,239
to close out with as much money still on

4397
03:21:48,239 --> 03:21:52,239
the table as we have in previous um

4398
03:21:52,239 --> 03:21:55,120
>> previous years, but we we are working.

4399
03:21:55,120 --> 03:21:57,520
Um and it's an exciting time for my

4400
03:21:57,520 --> 03:21:59,600
department considering we're almost

4401
03:21:59,600 --> 03:22:01,760
fully staffed.

4402
03:22:01,760 --> 03:22:04,000
We closed out phase one of our

4403
03:22:04,000 --> 03:22:06,319
comprehensive plan for anyone who went

4404
03:22:06,319 --> 03:22:08,720
to our last community meeting. So, we've

4405
03:22:08,720 --> 03:22:11,920
heard a lot of feedback over the last 12

4406
03:22:11,920 --> 03:22:13,600
months from the neighborhoods and we've

4407
03:22:13,600 --> 03:22:15,840
been able to aggregate that data to

4408
03:22:15,840 --> 03:22:18,399
really push out what our overall vision,

4409
03:22:18,399 --> 03:22:21,120
the goal is for this city. So, we're

4410
03:22:21,120 --> 03:22:24,000
looking forward um to phase two and I

4411
03:22:24,000 --> 03:22:25,600
think that right there with the spending

4412
03:22:25,600 --> 03:22:27,680
and the comp plan is the priorities of

4413
03:22:27,680 --> 03:22:29,359
the department. We've been able to

4414
03:22:29,359 --> 03:22:31,120
strengthen all of our relationships with

4415
03:22:31,120 --> 03:22:33,279
our stakeholders working closely with

4416
03:22:33,279 --> 03:22:35,840
Metrolex and the other developers in the

4417
03:22:35,840 --> 03:22:37,840
city. We're making sure that we are

4418
03:22:37,840 --> 03:22:39,600
giving the support and they're giving us

4419
03:22:39,600 --> 03:22:41,439
support that we need to push some of

4420
03:22:41,439 --> 03:22:42,960
these projects through and some of those

4421
03:22:42,960 --> 03:22:45,920
projects would be our YWCA

4422
03:22:45,920 --> 03:22:48,560
um project or scap the scap project

4423
03:22:48,560 --> 03:22:51,439
that's happening. Um so just just really

4424
03:22:51,439 --> 03:22:53,760
proud of the the the overall work of my

4425
03:22:53,760 --> 03:22:56,080
team. Could you talk about the lead

4426
03:22:56,080 --> 03:22:56,960
program?

4427
03:22:56,960 --> 03:23:00,319
>> The lead program. October 1st, we fully

4428
03:23:00,319 --> 03:23:02,880
transitioned our county lead program.

4429
03:23:02,880 --> 03:23:05,120
Um, and we've already made significant

4430
03:23:05,120 --> 03:23:08,319
changes. We've already um identified

4431
03:23:08,319 --> 03:23:10,640
some weaknesses in the program and again

4432
03:23:10,640 --> 03:23:12,640
addressing the policies and procedures

4433
03:23:12,640 --> 03:23:15,040
and making sure that we can get this

4434
03:23:15,040 --> 03:23:17,600
information out to the people. Um, so

4435
03:23:17,600 --> 03:23:22,399
we've rebranded it. um logos, flyers.

4436
03:23:22,399 --> 03:23:24,239
We have some projects that are in line

4437
03:23:24,239 --> 03:23:26,640
that we'll be using. Some of our CDBG

4438
03:23:26,640 --> 03:23:29,120
dollars for one of them is to get a lead

4439
03:23:29,120 --> 03:23:31,520
hazard children safety van. It's an

4440
03:23:31,520 --> 03:23:34,479
outreach van. We hope we're we're still

4441
03:23:34,479 --> 03:23:36,560
flushing this out, but our hope is to

4442
03:23:36,560 --> 03:23:38,160
partner with our local hospital, have

4443
03:23:38,160 --> 03:23:40,080
nurses on the band going into the

4444
03:23:40,080 --> 03:23:44,000
communities doing lead testing. Um go so

4445
03:23:44,000 --> 03:23:45,920
in an effort to meet people where they

4446
03:23:45,920 --> 03:23:48,000
are. Sometimes people don't want to come

4447
03:23:48,000 --> 03:23:50,239
and sign up for programs and landlords

4448
03:23:50,239 --> 03:23:51,840
can't get all of the information from

4449
03:23:51,840 --> 03:23:54,000
tenants to actually take advantage of

4450
03:23:54,000 --> 03:23:56,000
this program. So we we have that going

4451
03:23:56,000 --> 03:23:58,720
on too and we're excited about that.

4452
03:23:58,720 --> 03:24:00,080
>> So are you going to are you going to do

4453
03:24:00,080 --> 03:24:01,760
some outreach to neighborhood

4454
03:24:01,760 --> 03:24:03,439
association to kind of have people

4455
03:24:03,439 --> 03:24:04,720
buying into this program?

4456
03:24:04,720 --> 03:24:06,319
>> Yes. And I'm glad that you said

4457
03:24:06,319 --> 03:24:08,319
outreach. I have something that's an act

4458
03:24:08,319 --> 03:24:11,120
of the council. We talk about in our

4459
03:24:11,120 --> 03:24:13,120
these neighborhood meetings. A lot of

4460
03:24:13,120 --> 03:24:16,319
times neighborhoods and and community

4461
03:24:16,319 --> 03:24:17,840
members are saying we don't we don't

4462
03:24:17,840 --> 03:24:20,160
know that this is available. I'm leaning

4463
03:24:20,160 --> 03:24:22,080
on council to share this information

4464
03:24:22,080 --> 03:24:24,640
with your constituents. The city cannot

4465
03:24:24,640 --> 03:24:26,880
do it without you. We're putting it in

4466
03:24:26,880 --> 03:24:29,040
paper. We're sharing it on social media.

4467
03:24:29,040 --> 03:24:31,279
We we need the council to share the

4468
03:24:31,279 --> 03:24:34,239
information with the constituents. It is

4469
03:24:34,239 --> 03:24:36,239
very disappointing when you have people

4470
03:24:36,239 --> 03:24:37,359
in the community that say, "We don't

4471
03:24:37,359 --> 03:24:39,200
know this fund exists or we don't know

4472
03:24:39,200 --> 03:24:40,960
that it applies when we all have

4473
03:24:40,960 --> 03:24:42,239
representation right here on the

4474
03:24:42,239 --> 03:24:43,920
council." So, I'm going to be leaning on

4475
03:24:43,920 --> 03:24:45,120
it

4476
03:24:45,120 --> 03:24:46,720
>> this year to really push this

4477
03:24:46,720 --> 03:24:52,239
information out there to the people that that you serve. So, yes, we will be

4478
03:24:52,239 --> 03:24:52,880
doing that.

4479
03:24:52,880 --> 03:24:54,399
>> We have the funding there, so we just

4480
03:24:54,399 --> 03:24:58,319
need to help you your

4481
03:24:58,319 --> 03:24:59,760
>> to get that information out so people

4482
03:24:59,760 --> 03:25:02,399
can tap into the funding. The other

4483
03:25:02,399 --> 03:25:04,479
question I want to ask in terms of um

4484
03:25:04,479 --> 03:25:07,040
working with the BCNI

4485
03:25:07,040 --> 03:25:09,439
uh habitat humanity in terms of spending

4486
03:25:09,439 --> 03:25:11,200
all the allocation that we provide to

4487
03:25:11,200 --> 03:25:13,920
them every year. How is that

4488
03:25:13,920 --> 03:25:16,640
relationship working with them to make

4489
03:25:16,640 --> 03:25:18,880
sure they utilize all the allocation on

4490
03:25:18,880 --> 03:25:20,479
a timely basis?

4491
03:25:20,479 --> 03:25:24,160
>> We are giving technical assistance. Um

4492
03:25:24,160 --> 03:25:25,600
just because you get technical

4493
03:25:25,600 --> 03:25:27,359
assistance doesn't mean that we follow

4494
03:25:27,359 --> 03:25:29,200
the technical assistance and spend the

4495
03:25:29,200 --> 03:25:31,279
money down. But the city is doing their

4496
03:25:31,279 --> 03:25:33,600
part. Community development is doing

4497
03:25:33,600 --> 03:25:35,439
their part. We have been meeting

4498
03:25:35,439 --> 03:25:37,359
one-on-one. We recently started

4499
03:25:37,359 --> 03:25:39,600
coordination meetings with BCNIR. So to

4500
03:25:39,600 --> 03:25:41,359
ensure that they have to support the

4501
03:25:41,359 --> 03:25:43,200
move to project, we have a meeting if

4502
03:25:43,200 --> 03:25:45,200
they bring something up and to bring in

4503
03:25:45,200 --> 03:25:47,040
with the department heads to sit in that

4504
03:25:47,040 --> 03:25:49,040
meeting to help them, they have that

4505
03:25:49,040 --> 03:25:51,279
option to do that. So that's new. We

4506
03:25:51,279 --> 03:25:54,080
recently started out. We've met with one

4507
03:25:54,080 --> 03:26:01,030
with every sub. So,

4508
03:26:01,040 --> 03:26:02,479
» so I'd just like to circle back to the

4509
03:26:02,479 --> 03:26:03,760
ban that you talked about because that

4510
03:26:03,760 --> 03:26:05,120
really sounds like a good thing to be on

4511
03:26:05,120 --> 03:26:08,160
the community. So, you're currently how

4512
03:26:08,160 --> 03:26:09,600
are you what was the funding source?

4513
03:26:09,600 --> 03:26:10,160
CDBG.

4514
03:26:10,160 --> 03:26:12,560
>> CDBG. So, that's not something we would

4515
03:26:12,560 --> 03:26:14,560
have to look at for capital.

4516
03:26:14,560 --> 03:26:17,279
>> Okay. You would just purchase it and all

4517
03:26:17,279 --> 03:26:19,920
that money would come from CDBG. And um

4518
03:26:19,920 --> 03:26:22,239
do you have a anticipation on when that

4519
03:26:22,239 --> 03:26:24,560
happen? I don't you know I had put it in

4520
03:26:24,560 --> 03:26:27,200
for a capital project but after talking

4521
03:26:27,200 --> 03:26:29,680
um to the commissioners like it is a it

4522
03:26:29,680 --> 03:26:31,840
is a nigible expense for CDBG. So let's

4523
03:26:31,840 --> 03:26:34,239
shift considering we already have a desk

4524
03:26:34,239 --> 03:26:36,560
deficit because I don't know how China

4525
03:26:36,560 --> 03:26:41,750
been trying to get a ban.

4526
03:26:41,760 --> 03:26:44,880
» So Miss Car's earlier point um multiple

4527
03:26:44,880 --> 03:26:46,479
times brought the fact of what we can

4528
03:26:46,479 --> 03:26:48,880
do. I've spoken with communication seen

4529
03:26:48,880 --> 03:26:50,479
with our school district when we have

4530
03:26:50,479 --> 03:26:53,040
things like this program that you know

4531
03:26:53,040 --> 03:26:54,960
the school district has a large reach

4532
03:26:54,960 --> 03:26:57,200
and has a lot of ways to communicate

4533
03:26:57,200 --> 03:27:00,000
with families. Um always willing to do

4534
03:27:00,000 --> 03:27:01,439
that. All we have to do is just send it

4535
03:27:01,439 --> 03:27:03,760
over saying this is the information put

4536
03:27:03,760 --> 03:27:07,040
it on their all their electrical

4537
03:27:07,040 --> 03:27:09,920
electronic uh interfaces if you will. Um

4538
03:27:09,920 --> 03:27:12,319
and I'm sure if we were to do our own

4539
03:27:12,319 --> 03:27:14,399
printing that they would you know be

4540
03:27:14,399 --> 03:27:15,920
willing to distribute it that way as

4541
03:27:15,920 --> 03:27:17,840
well. So again, it's just a resource

4542
03:27:17,840 --> 03:27:21,359
that we should just not do. The approval

4543
03:27:21,359 --> 03:27:23,200
from Dr. Co has already been into to

4544
03:27:23,200 --> 03:27:24,160
help things

4545
03:27:24,160 --> 03:27:26,399
>> and they they have actually with the

4546
03:27:26,399 --> 03:27:28,000
comprehensive plan and winning every

4547
03:27:28,000 --> 03:27:29,920
kids from bad neighborhood meetings in

4548
03:27:29,920 --> 03:27:32,479
our schools put on social media. So that

4549
03:27:32,479 --> 03:27:34,160
part we have strengthened that

4550
03:27:34,160 --> 03:27:36,479
partnership and we have utilized them as

4551
03:27:36,479 --> 03:27:39,840
a re as a resource already.

4552
03:27:39,840 --> 03:27:42,160
>> Go ahead. Um, I just want to ask in

4553
03:27:42,160 --> 03:27:44,479
terms of the CDBG SNAP neighborhood

4554
03:27:44,479 --> 03:27:51,840
revitalization uh money which um it's zero for 2026. Is that because did

4555
03:27:51,840 --> 03:27:53,520
it shift to another one of these lines

4556
03:27:53,520 --> 03:27:55,439
or is it that just that we got a cut

4557
03:27:55,439 --> 03:27:56,640
from the federal government?

4558
03:27:56,640 --> 03:27:59,680
>> No, it's not a fun. The SNAP program

4559
03:27:59,680 --> 03:28:01,920
hasn't expended money from that line in

4560
03:28:01,920 --> 03:28:04,560
three years. So, we took that money and

4561
03:28:04,560 --> 03:28:06,720
put it in the development line so that

4562
03:28:06,720 --> 03:28:10,479
we can have more control over

4563
03:28:10,479 --> 03:28:12,960
people contracting going out and leaving

4564
03:28:12,960 --> 03:28:16,319
city on properties. We've met with the

4565
03:28:16,319 --> 03:28:19,279
team downstairs and they have a capacity

4566
03:28:19,279 --> 03:28:22,160
issue.

4567
03:28:22,160 --> 03:28:24,160
So, in an effort to address and getting

4568
03:28:24,160 --> 03:28:25,760
these homes stressing with our homes

4569
03:28:25,760 --> 03:28:27,200
initiative, getting these homes cleaned

4570
03:28:27,200 --> 03:28:29,279
up, making sure that they're safe to

4571
03:28:29,279 --> 03:28:31,359
enter for our realtors, we took that and

4572
03:28:31,359 --> 03:28:34,160
made it a put it on a development line.

4573
03:28:34,160 --> 03:28:38,319
>> Okay. And then um my other question

4574
03:28:38,319 --> 03:28:44,239
was oh um so speaking of homes um so

4575
03:28:44,239 --> 03:28:48,560
we've put into the budget um trying to

4576
03:28:48,560 --> 03:28:51,439
uh bring in 4.5 million.

4577
03:28:51,439 --> 03:28:55,920
>> Uh to date we've brought in um 1.5

4578
03:28:55,920 --> 03:28:58,399
million um with only a few months left.

4579
03:28:58,399 --> 03:29:00,880
And I was just wondering um you know

4580
03:29:00,880 --> 03:29:02,720
what

4581
03:29:02,720 --> 03:29:05,439
how we're going to try to achieve

4582
03:29:05,439 --> 03:29:06,960
>> other

4583
03:29:06,960 --> 03:29:09,040
money is from the Skinnct 40 project

4584
03:29:09,040 --> 03:29:10,720
which is held under litigation right

4585
03:29:10,720 --> 03:29:12,800
now. So that transferred over from last

4586
03:29:12,800 --> 03:29:14,640
year to this year.

4587
03:29:14,640 --> 03:29:16,800
>> So it's not direct sales of cityowned

4588
03:29:16,800 --> 03:29:18,319
property like what we talk about in

4589
03:29:18,319 --> 03:29:20,080
property management committee. That's

4590
03:29:20,080 --> 03:29:23,120
not what that revenue was that city

4591
03:29:23,120 --> 03:29:25,040
>> city own property work on. The other one

4592
03:29:25,040 --> 03:29:27,040
is said $500,000

4593
03:29:27,040 --> 03:29:29,600
sale town

4594
03:29:29,600 --> 03:29:32,640
>> and driving put in a moratorum which

4595
03:29:32,640 --> 03:29:37,840
they have now lifted but potential for

4596
03:29:37,840 --> 03:29:39,680
there's going to be a solar site there.

4597
03:29:39,680 --> 03:29:40,479
>> Yes.

4598
03:29:40,479 --> 03:29:45,910
>> So there's a couple of big

4599
03:29:45,920 --> 03:29:48,239
uh transactions out there that would

4600
03:29:48,239 --> 03:29:50,960
bring that number up. Is it still going

4601
03:29:50,960 --> 03:29:53,920
to happen in 25?

4602
03:29:53,920 --> 03:29:56,640
I hope so, but I can't guarantee it. It

4603
03:29:56,640 --> 03:29:58,319
more

4604
03:29:58,319 --> 03:30:02,000
going to 26. So, have a little bit of

4605
03:30:02,000 --> 03:30:04,880
deficit here. Show up the numbers for

4606
03:30:04,880 --> 03:30:05,680
26.

4607
03:30:05,680 --> 03:30:08,319
>> Okay. Thank you.

4608
03:30:08,319 --> 03:30:12,080
>> Talking about I mean we are currently um

4609
03:30:12,080 --> 03:30:13,920
property management is reaching this

4610
03:30:13,920 --> 03:30:16,239
meeting once per month. Is there any

4611
03:30:16,239 --> 03:30:18,319
consideration to kind of put that back

4612
03:30:18,319 --> 03:30:22,160
two times per month so that we can be be

4613
03:30:22,160 --> 03:30:26,160
more aggressive to achieve u a better

4614
03:30:26,160 --> 03:30:27,040
number

4615
03:30:27,040 --> 03:30:27,920
>> into next year?

4616
03:30:27,920 --> 03:30:29,840
>> We need that more than happy to shift

4617
03:30:29,840 --> 03:30:32,319
the staff to do that.

4618
03:30:32,319 --> 03:30:34,399
>> But you think in my opinion I don't

4619
03:30:34,399 --> 03:30:37,600
think someone is going to make it more

4620
03:30:37,600 --> 03:30:40,080
>> I'm looking at in terms of the law

4621
03:30:40,080 --> 03:30:41,760
department in terms of having the the

4622
03:30:41,760 --> 03:30:44,319
approval the closing you know all those

4623
03:30:44,319 --> 03:30:45,520
things.

4624
03:30:45,520 --> 03:30:47,439
because it kind of it kind of dragged

4625
03:30:47,439 --> 03:30:51,120
out like meeting once a month and how do

4626
03:30:51,120 --> 03:30:53,600
we approve it once a month? I think also

4627
03:30:53,600 --> 03:30:55,120
we're looking at the the closing and

4628
03:30:55,120 --> 03:30:56,960
it's kind of spread out.

4629
03:30:56,960 --> 03:31:00,239
>> I I this is just me advocating for my

4630
03:31:00,239 --> 03:31:02,880
work that Maurice puts into this process

4631
03:31:02,880 --> 03:31:05,040
and the time that it takes to get all

4632
03:31:05,040 --> 03:31:07,120
these things together, the sim takes to

4633
03:31:07,120 --> 03:31:09,600
collect all the supporting documents and

4634
03:31:09,600 --> 03:31:12,640
put that analysis together for the PMC.

4635
03:31:12,640 --> 03:31:15,279
I think that it helps him to be come to

4636
03:31:15,279 --> 03:31:18,880
you the more complete right versus him

4637
03:31:18,880 --> 03:31:21,840
coming to you and then having to say

4638
03:31:21,840 --> 03:31:27,359
this still you know x y and z you know

4639
03:31:27,359 --> 03:31:31,520
do documents but whatever you decide we

4640
03:31:31,520 --> 03:31:33,920
will my team will make that we'll make

4641
03:31:33,920 --> 03:31:36,000
that adjustment but I don't think you've

4642
03:31:36,000 --> 03:31:37,840
given it a chance we've only been

4643
03:31:37,840 --> 03:31:40,960
meeting a couple of months once a month

4644
03:31:40,960 --> 03:31:44,150
>> so we really

4645
03:31:44,160 --> 03:31:45,680
It feels like we meet more than once a

4646
03:31:45,680 --> 03:31:47,359
month, but I guess

4647
03:31:47,359 --> 03:31:52,319
>> it is a that's fairly new. So,

4648
03:31:52,319 --> 03:31:55,200
>> yeah, I'm kind of looking at it now

4649
03:31:55,200 --> 03:31:57,040
standpoint in terms of moving more

4650
03:31:57,040 --> 03:31:59,520
aggressively towards closing so that we

4651
03:31:59,520 --> 03:32:03,279
can achieve the numbers.

4652
03:32:03,279 --> 03:32:04,800
>> Any other question? I mean you touched

4653
03:32:04,800 --> 03:32:06,479
on your department but you did not touch

4654
03:32:06,479 --> 03:32:09,920
on and you you and your staff spend

4655
03:32:09,920 --> 03:32:12,000
significant I would say significant

4656
03:32:12,000 --> 03:32:14,319
amount of time and energy all of the

4657
03:32:14,319 --> 03:32:17,439
above to achieve those um result in

4658
03:32:17,439 --> 03:32:20,399
terms of allocation in terms of tracking

4659
03:32:20,399 --> 03:32:21,840
I will give you the opportunity to

4660
03:32:21,840 --> 03:32:24,479
please highlight the good things and we

4661
03:32:24,479 --> 03:32:26,239
start the bad things or just the good

4662
03:32:26,239 --> 03:32:28,880
things just the good things okay we are

4663
03:32:28,880 --> 03:32:30,000
at

4664
03:32:30,000 --> 03:32:34,560
>> about 85% %

4665
03:32:34,560 --> 03:32:38,160
spend down when when I think of our now

4666
03:32:38,160 --> 03:32:41,120
the couple that are still need to spend

4667
03:32:41,120 --> 03:32:43,600
our large amounts

4668
03:32:43,600 --> 03:32:47,279
but most of them are with the exception

4669
03:32:47,279 --> 03:32:49,279
of a couple we we know where they are.

4670
03:32:49,279 --> 03:32:51,920
major development projects, but

4671
03:32:51,920 --> 03:32:54,399
the rest of them, you know, 30,000,

4672
03:32:54,399 --> 03:32:56,560
40,000, they're not even able to spend,

4673
03:32:56,560 --> 03:32:58,960
you know, you still got till next year

4674
03:32:58,960 --> 03:33:02,960
to spend them. So, um, Mitch has done a

4675
03:33:02,960 --> 03:33:06,239
tremendous, tremendous, tremendous job

4676
03:33:06,239 --> 03:33:09,120
working with the subreients and making

4677
03:33:09,120 --> 03:33:11,840
sure that the city is aligned with our

4678
03:33:11,840 --> 03:33:14,880
environmental review. That had become a

4679
03:33:14,880 --> 03:33:17,359
issue. the US how we would typically do

4680
03:33:17,359 --> 03:33:19,760
an environment to review the US trend

4681
03:33:19,760 --> 03:33:22,080
requires something different and my team

4682
03:33:22,080 --> 03:33:24,560
has really stepped up and made sure that

4683
03:33:24,560 --> 03:33:31,030
our sub recipients are are compliant

4684
03:33:31,040 --> 03:33:32,960
since you mentioned ARPA I think the

4685
03:33:32,960 --> 03:33:34,880
allocations as was presented by the

4686
03:33:34,880 --> 03:33:37,359
council is often coming under vir

4687
03:33:37,359 --> 03:33:41,439
scrutiny similar to the CDB CDBG funding

4688
03:33:41,439 --> 03:33:43,279
is there any way to quantify its

4689
03:33:43,279 --> 03:33:46,870
community impact

4690
03:33:46,880 --> 03:33:50,319
Well, we do we we collect the data so we

4691
03:33:50,319 --> 03:33:52,399
do know how many people to serve, where

4692
03:33:52,399 --> 03:33:54,880
those people live, what are the ages. So

4693
03:33:54,880 --> 03:33:58,000
there's there isn't a gap as far as

4694
03:33:58,000 --> 03:34:01,600
reporting. I will share that information

4695
03:34:01,600 --> 03:34:03,680
>> with respect to

4696
03:34:03,680 --> 03:34:05,920
>> we we collect the same information. We

4697
03:34:05,920 --> 03:34:08,479
get report we we get quarterly reports

4698
03:34:08,479 --> 03:34:10,880
from every sub. I think that would be

4699
03:34:10,880 --> 03:34:13,279
valuable to substantiate

4700
03:34:13,279 --> 03:34:15,840
the reason why I individually and others

4701
03:34:15,840 --> 03:34:17,680
voted in favor of that certain

4702
03:34:17,680 --> 03:34:19,840
allocations. Certainly there are some,

4703
03:34:19,840 --> 03:34:21,600
you know, in full transparency, there

4704
03:34:21,600 --> 03:34:24,399
are some subreients that are struggling.

4705
03:34:24,399 --> 03:34:26,239
Um, they are struggling. Some of them

4706
03:34:26,239 --> 03:34:28,399
don't have the capacity for the amount

4707
03:34:28,399 --> 03:34:30,960
of money that was allocated to them. And

4708
03:34:30,960 --> 03:34:33,120
we we're we're seeing that even though

4709
03:34:33,120 --> 03:34:34,960
we're supporting them and trying to give

4710
03:34:34,960 --> 03:34:37,760
that technical assistance to them,

4711
03:34:37,760 --> 03:34:41,520
they're struggling. And I'm just being honest.

4712
03:34:41,520 --> 03:34:42,160
>> Still,

4713
03:34:42,160 --> 03:34:44,239
>> yeah, there's still time, but

4714
03:34:44,239 --> 03:34:47,040
>> but time is of the essence. And the ones

4715
03:34:47,040 --> 03:34:50,000
that are struggling, do you in your own

4716
03:34:50,000 --> 03:34:51,920
professional capacity, do you feel that

4717
03:34:51,920 --> 03:34:53,680
they're going to achieve it at the end

4718
03:34:53,680 --> 03:34:54,800
of their own?

4719
03:34:54,800 --> 03:34:57,680
>> There are there are two that I need to

4720
03:34:57,680 --> 03:35:01,439
speak with commission about that we have

4721
03:35:01,439 --> 03:35:04,720
um major concerns.

4722
03:35:04,720 --> 03:35:07,279
So, on that note, um again, just because

4723
03:35:07,279 --> 03:35:08,880
we're struggling to try to figure out

4724
03:35:08,880 --> 03:35:10,640
how we're going to bring back some money

4725
03:35:10,640 --> 03:35:13,520
and be able to try to reduce a tax, um

4726
03:35:13,520 --> 03:35:15,359
is any of that money money that might be

4727
03:35:15,359 --> 03:35:18,080
able to be reallocated to other projects

4728
03:35:18,080 --> 03:35:21,120
like for example youth services?

4729
03:35:21,120 --> 03:35:22,960
>> I wouldn't see why not.

4730
03:35:22,960 --> 03:35:24,880
>> We just would have to do it within we'd

4731
03:35:24,880 --> 03:35:27,680
have to um reallocate it before

4732
03:35:27,680 --> 03:35:28,800
December.

4733
03:35:28,800 --> 03:35:31,040
>> And I don't think you can reallocate it

4734
03:35:31,040 --> 03:35:32,239
this time.

4735
03:35:32,239 --> 03:35:33,600
>> Well, that's what I was wondering. Okay.

4736
03:35:33,600 --> 03:35:35,680
Yeah. So, we can't

4737
03:35:35,680 --> 03:35:37,200
>> how would we, in other words, if there

4738
03:35:37,200 --> 03:35:39,920
were I'm making this up, but if XYZ

4739
03:35:39,920 --> 03:35:41,520
organization

4740
03:35:41,520 --> 03:35:44,000
wasn't able to spend the money that we

4741
03:35:44,000 --> 03:35:46,399
allocated to them, we just lose it.

4742
03:35:46,399 --> 03:35:48,080
>> I wouldn't say that we lose it. I think

4743
03:35:48,080 --> 03:35:51,040
there may be some creative ways if we

4744
03:35:51,040 --> 03:35:54,560
use the money for the same intention,

4745
03:35:54,560 --> 03:35:58,080
but maybe not.

4746
03:35:58,080 --> 03:36:00,479
>> That might be a place to be able to have

4747
03:36:00,479 --> 03:36:02,800
some money for youth services.

4748
03:36:02,800 --> 03:36:04,800
If the project was youth services, but

4749
03:36:04,800 --> 03:36:06,640
the two projects are not youth services.

4750
03:36:06,640 --> 03:36:09,680
So that

4751
03:36:09,680 --> 03:36:10,080
just

4752
03:36:10,080 --> 03:36:12,880
>> so it has to be like it has to be in.

4753
03:36:12,880 --> 03:36:16,000
>> Gotcha. Gotcha. We got serve money golf

4754
03:36:16,000 --> 03:36:16,399
course.

4755
03:36:16,399 --> 03:36:19,040
>> I did hear

4756
03:36:19,040 --> 03:36:20,960
>> you were trying to get some money

4757
03:36:20,960 --> 03:36:24,560
services somewhere in your department.

4758
03:36:24,560 --> 03:36:27,120
>> Not fine with us. there's an opportunity

4759
03:36:27,120 --> 03:36:30,880
to woman that um we possibly could use

4760
03:36:30,880 --> 03:36:33,200
right now we're closing out our federal

4761
03:36:33,200 --> 03:36:35,600
year so there will be some money that

4762
03:36:35,600 --> 03:36:37,840
hasn't been spent

4763
03:36:37,840 --> 03:36:39,760
>> and there may be some money that could

4764
03:36:39,760 --> 03:36:41,040
be allocated

4765
03:36:41,040 --> 03:36:45,269
>> thank you may

4766
03:36:45,279 --> 03:36:49,120
» going back to the our those two agency

4767
03:36:49,120 --> 03:36:52,000
that are struggling is there any way you

4768
03:36:52,000 --> 03:36:53,600
can share that information more in depth

4769
03:36:53,600 --> 03:36:55,439
information so the council

4770
03:36:55,439 --> 03:36:58,080
and we can able to see where we stand in

4771
03:36:58,080 --> 03:36:59,920
terms of that and if we need to make

4772
03:36:59,920 --> 03:37:02,960
adjustment or do anything outside of

4773
03:37:02,960 --> 03:37:05,439
that so that we don't lose that money or

4774
03:37:05,439 --> 03:37:09,359
we need to ramp up effort to help them

4775
03:37:09,359 --> 03:37:12,399
to you know be more aggressive if that's

4776
03:37:12,399 --> 03:37:14,479
something that you can you can we can

4777
03:37:14,479 --> 03:37:16,800
get on board to help you with

4778
03:37:16,800 --> 03:37:18,000
>> so Mr.

4779
03:37:18,000 --> 03:37:19,760
Miss is part of I have spoken. So she

4780
03:37:19,760 --> 03:37:22,560
plans on um bringing that forward to

4781
03:37:22,560 --> 03:37:24,960
>> I will respectfully I'm going to make

4782
03:37:24,960 --> 03:37:26,560
sure that I connect with commissioner

4783
03:37:26,560 --> 03:37:27,200
first.

4784
03:37:27,200 --> 03:37:27,760
>> Okay.

4785
03:37:27,760 --> 03:37:30,239
>> And then I will

4786
03:37:30,239 --> 03:37:33,429
>> yeah

4787
03:37:33,439 --> 03:37:35,920
those are information that is will be uh

4788
03:37:35,920 --> 03:37:39,359
beneficial to us to you for us to help

4789
03:37:39,359 --> 03:37:41,920
you if we can because uh we here to see

4790
03:37:41,920 --> 03:37:44,640
the money just disappear. and we can be

4791
03:37:44,640 --> 03:37:47,200
allocated to something that kind of fits

4792
03:37:47,200 --> 03:37:50,319
the need

4793
03:37:50,319 --> 03:37:54,870
project. We can

4794
03:37:54,880 --> 03:37:57,600
any other question I had to put you I

4795
03:37:57,600 --> 03:37:59,040
put you on the spot but I want to

4796
03:37:59,040 --> 03:38:01,840
highlight you know you had so many so

4797
03:38:01,840 --> 03:38:03,680
much of additional work

4798
03:38:03,680 --> 03:38:06,080
>> Mhm. with the allocation and the

4799
03:38:06,080 --> 03:38:07,760
tracking every single time and

4800
03:38:07,760 --> 03:38:09,760
constantly meeting with us almost every

4801
03:38:09,760 --> 03:38:12,239
week, every two weeks to highlight us,

4802
03:38:12,239 --> 03:38:14,080
to give us update, things like that. And

4803
03:38:14,080 --> 03:38:16,160
I do really appreciate that. I'm sure my

4804
03:38:16,160 --> 03:38:18,000
colleagues do appreciate that.

4805
03:38:18,000 --> 03:38:19,920
Absolutely. It's a lot of work, a lot of

4806
03:38:19,920 --> 03:38:22,239
effort, a lot of funding, making sure

4807
03:38:22,239 --> 03:38:24,319
that you be on top of all that, you

4808
03:38:24,319 --> 03:38:27,040
know, that 52 point something million

4809
03:38:27,040 --> 03:38:28,160
dollars.

4810
03:38:28,160 --> 03:38:30,560
>> So, thank you.

4811
03:38:30,560 --> 03:38:33,439
>> Thank you. I appreciate that.

4812
03:38:33,439 --> 03:38:35,200
Yeah,

4813
03:38:35,200 --> 03:38:36,720
you did it out of tight end.

4814
03:38:36,720 --> 03:38:38,479
>> Thank Thank you for your support.

4815
03:38:38,479 --> 03:38:41,279
>> Are there any other questions

4816
03:38:41,279 --> 03:38:43,520
>> from

4817
03:38:43,520 --> 03:38:45,840
saying no? Thank you and thank you for

4818
03:38:45,840 --> 03:38:47,200
what you are doing. Keep up the good

4819
03:38:47,200 --> 03:38:47,840
work.

4820
03:38:47,840 --> 03:38:50,560
>> Thanks so much.

4821
03:38:50,560 --> 03:38:53,279
>> All right.

4822
03:38:53,279 --> 03:39:01,110
So, we have come to the end.

4823
03:39:01,120 --> 03:39:03,760
a lot. Did you did they review your

4824
03:39:03,760 --> 03:39:04,640
department?

4825
03:39:04,640 --> 03:39:05,200
>> Yeah.

4826
03:39:05,200 --> 03:39:07,520
>> The other night.

4827
03:39:07,520 --> 03:39:11,830
>> So, um

4828
03:39:11,840 --> 03:39:14,479
we've come to the end of the review. Um

4829
03:39:14,479 --> 03:39:17,200
we'll just don't I know there's a lot of

4830
03:39:17,200 --> 03:39:21,120
questions we um pushed around. Are you

4831
03:39:21,120 --> 03:39:23,520
getting answer to all the questions? If

4832
03:39:23,520 --> 03:39:26,640
you're not, please reach out. copy, copy

4833
03:39:26,640 --> 03:39:31,359
them in, copy direct and we will um make

4834
03:39:31,359 --> 03:39:35,200
sure that you receive answers of any

4835
03:39:35,200 --> 03:39:39,040
question that Amazon started.

4836
03:39:39,040 --> 03:39:41,520
Please, if you're sending email, just

4837
03:39:41,520 --> 03:39:42,880
pick up the phone and call because

4838
03:39:42,880 --> 03:39:44,880
sometimes the email get disappear, you

4839
03:39:44,880 --> 03:39:47,680
know, pick up the phone and call and try

4840
03:39:47,680 --> 03:39:50,239
to get your questions answered.

4841
03:39:50,239 --> 03:39:53,840
>> Our next meeting is u this Friday 5:30.

4842
03:39:53,840 --> 03:39:56,479
Um more than likely um I will ask you to

4843
03:39:56,479 --> 03:39:59,840
clear out your calendar in next week.

4844
03:39:59,840 --> 03:40:02,479
>> I would like to add another day more as

4845
03:40:02,479 --> 03:40:03,439
reserve.

4846
03:40:03,439 --> 03:40:05,600
>> So I will do that this Friday. So I ask

4847
03:40:05,600 --> 03:40:07,680
you to look at your calendar please. Can

4848
03:40:07,680 --> 03:40:09,760
we tell you now what you know in case

4849
03:40:09,760 --> 03:40:11,200
there is if anybody has

4850
03:40:11,200 --> 03:40:13,279
>> you can yes but I will give you more

4851
03:40:13,279 --> 03:40:15,439
time you know in your capacity private

4852
03:40:15,439 --> 03:40:16,479
capacity to do it

4853
03:40:16,479 --> 03:40:18,720
>> Tuesday if you can you can um let me

4854
03:40:18,720 --> 03:40:20,080
know

4855
03:40:20,080 --> 03:40:24,479
>> um Miss Michael I will have to put out

4856
03:40:24,479 --> 03:40:27,040
public notice and it's a moral place so

4857
03:40:27,040 --> 03:40:29,279
that you know we we're here to be

4858
03:40:29,279 --> 03:40:32,239
serious in terms of as we get to the

4859
03:40:32,239 --> 03:40:34,560
final conclusion I would make myself

4860
03:40:34,560 --> 03:40:36,239
available

4861
03:40:36,239 --> 03:40:40,000
uh um have a meaningful dialogue, a

4862
03:40:40,000 --> 03:40:42,479
meaningful opportunity to be flexible uh

4863
03:40:42,479 --> 03:40:46,319
to achieve their budget hopefully before

4864
03:40:46,319 --> 03:40:48,399
the end of next weekend.

4865
03:40:48,399 --> 03:40:50,560
>> So, um I just be clear, we're still

4866
03:40:50,560 --> 03:40:53,040
meeting on Monday after meeting.

4867
03:40:53,040 --> 03:40:54,720
>> We're still but I just want to, you

4868
03:40:54,720 --> 03:40:58,160
know, put that place in case we cannot

4869
03:40:58,160 --> 03:41:01,359
conclude by Monday evening.

4870
03:41:01,359 --> 03:41:03,200
>> I have three nights next week that I

4871
03:41:03,200 --> 03:41:05,040
could add in.

4872
03:41:05,040 --> 03:41:06,479
>> Go ahead, please. Then I have a couple

4873
03:41:06,479 --> 03:41:08,319
questions. So um and these are

4874
03:41:08,319 --> 03:41:11,279
colleagues um for commissioner. So just

4875
03:41:11,279 --> 03:41:13,680
if you um could just when we get ready

4876
03:41:13,680 --> 03:41:16,319
to when we start the deliberation just

4877
03:41:16,319 --> 03:41:18,960
explain the council work from that um

4878
03:41:18,960 --> 03:41:24,479
fund um balance policy is and also um

4879
03:41:24,479 --> 03:41:27,040
what it would mean in terms of um going

4880
03:41:27,040 --> 03:41:30,080
past that what that entails. So if those

4881
03:41:30,080 --> 03:41:33,120
are two things that that you can address

4882
03:41:33,120 --> 03:41:36,080
deliberations on Friday.

4883
03:41:36,080 --> 03:41:39,279
>> Are those questions or are you in terms

4884
03:41:39,279 --> 03:41:41,200
of presentation on that?

4885
03:41:41,200 --> 03:41:42,880
>> Well, you can answer the question. I

4886
03:41:42,880 --> 03:41:44,880
mean if you want it's up to him how he

4887
03:41:44,880 --> 03:41:46,720
does it with the presentation but we

4888
03:41:46,720 --> 03:41:50,080
what our fund balance policy is um and

4889
03:41:50,080 --> 03:41:53,760
also what it entails in terms of talking

4890
03:41:53,760 --> 03:41:55,840
about

4891
03:41:55,840 --> 03:41:57,359
seeing a tax. No, I want to make sure

4892
03:41:57,359 --> 03:41:58,800
the video going to be captured whatever

4893
03:41:58,800 --> 03:42:01,359
you're you're asking. So, commissioner,

4894
03:42:01,359 --> 03:42:04,640
you make note of that, please.

4895
03:42:04,640 --> 03:42:06,239
So if you don't mind looking at your

4896
03:42:06,239 --> 03:42:10,389
calendar now or if not

4897
03:42:10,399 --> 03:42:12,399
it

4898
03:42:12,399 --> 03:42:15,680
we can put it just get it out there

4899
03:42:15,680 --> 03:42:17,520
so that we don't have to delay you know

4900
03:42:17,520 --> 03:42:28,229
getting you know

4901
03:42:28,239 --> 03:42:33,520
» I was just going to say a point of repi

4902
03:42:33,520 --> 03:42:34,880
appreciated when we had the

4903
03:42:34,880 --> 03:42:36,319
conversations around the housing task

4904
03:42:36,319 --> 03:42:38,000
force because I think it wasn't

4905
03:42:38,000 --> 03:42:40,160
suggested that we had everyone just

4906
03:42:40,160 --> 03:42:42,319
highlighted

4907
03:42:42,319 --> 03:42:45,359
and then we vote for alignment. Um I

4908
03:42:45,359 --> 03:42:49,120
think with having condensed meetings I

4909
03:42:49,120 --> 03:42:50,960
think if we're intentional we can

4910
03:42:50,960 --> 03:42:53,359
achieve our objective in two days or two

4911
03:42:53,359 --> 03:42:56,560
nights. Um I think the respectful ask

4912
03:42:56,560 --> 03:42:59,040
would be I think people come into Friday

4913
03:42:59,040 --> 03:43:01,279
with maybe a written or pre-provided

4914
03:43:01,279 --> 03:43:04,000
list to SAM. I think that would help us

4915
03:43:04,000 --> 03:43:06,479
align the areas of agreement and that

4916
03:43:06,479 --> 03:43:09,359
would make that discussion more um

4917
03:43:09,359 --> 03:43:11,520
productive. I don't know you have excuse

4918
03:43:11,520 --> 03:43:13,680
me they can be circular and I think we

4919
03:43:13,680 --> 03:43:16,800
all are mostly trying for like reasons

4920
03:43:16,800 --> 03:43:19,439
um by meeting to get away from us with

4921
03:43:19,439 --> 03:43:21,120
us just having so few on the books so

4922
03:43:21,120 --> 03:43:22,319
far.

4923
03:43:22,319 --> 03:43:25,439
>> Absolutely. So yeah so you know members

4924
03:43:25,439 --> 03:43:27,600
you can look at the revenue you know

4925
03:43:27,600 --> 03:43:29,279
come up with any suggestion please

4926
03:43:29,279 --> 03:43:31,680
document it so that we can go through

4927
03:43:31,680 --> 03:43:34,000
look at the expenditure lines and

4928
03:43:34,000 --> 03:43:36,720
departments and come up with your

4929
03:43:36,720 --> 03:43:39,040
suggestion for Friday and we can start

4930
03:43:39,040 --> 03:43:41,920
that discussion Friday

4931
03:43:41,920 --> 03:43:44,160
thank you for that Mr.

4932
03:43:44,160 --> 03:43:47,439
Yeah, cuz without

4933
03:43:47,439 --> 03:43:50,720
pads and

4934
03:43:50,720 --> 03:43:52,960
it's not easy. So, thank you. Thank you

4935
03:43:52,960 --> 03:43:56,000
for highlighting that. So, yes, please

4936
03:43:56,000 --> 03:43:58,479
sit down. You got some homework to do.

4937
03:43:58,479 --> 03:44:00,479
come up with your suggestion, come up

4938
03:44:00,479 --> 03:44:02,640
with some recommendation

4939
03:44:02,640 --> 03:44:05,120
and let's start

4940
03:44:05,120 --> 03:44:08,640
discussion across the board

4941
03:44:08,640 --> 03:44:10,479
and as I mentioned revenue and

4942
03:44:10,479 --> 03:44:14,000
expenditure time categories.

4943
03:44:14,000 --> 03:44:16,720
So do you want to give me your

4944
03:44:16,720 --> 03:44:18,800
availability in the next week and I can

4945
03:44:18,800 --> 03:44:20,960
able to do something thing or you just

4946
03:44:20,960 --> 03:44:22,720
want to sit on it for a day and get back

4947
03:44:22,720 --> 03:44:29,349
to me? That's fine.

4948
03:44:29,359 --> 03:44:31,359
What he says? No fighting.

4949
03:44:31,359 --> 03:44:35,590
>> Yeah.

4950
03:44:35,600 --> 03:44:37,680
» Okay.

4951
03:44:37,680 --> 03:44:39,920
>> So, Monday, Tuesday, Wednesday, and

4952
03:44:39,920 --> 03:44:42,399
Friday. I can do Well, Monday we're

4953
03:44:42,399 --> 03:44:43,040
already scheduled.

4954
03:44:43,040 --> 03:44:44,560
>> Yes. It's Tuesday, Wednesday, Friday.

4955
03:44:44,560 --> 03:44:45,359
You're available.

4956
03:44:45,359 --> 03:44:45,840
>> Mhm.

4957
03:44:45,840 --> 03:44:48,560
>> Why don't we just do like a doodle poll?

4958
03:44:48,560 --> 03:44:51,279
>> A doodle poll.

4959
03:44:51,279 --> 03:44:54,239
doodle or

4960
03:44:54,239 --> 03:44:56,960
>> well the point of the doodle post if

4961
03:44:56,960 --> 03:44:59,439
we're all saying it this day that but if

4962
03:44:59,439 --> 03:45:02,560
we fill it in then the it will let us

4963
03:45:02,560 --> 03:45:05,120
know where everyone's reading. So that's

4964
03:45:05,120 --> 03:45:07,520
the suggestion.

4965
03:45:07,520 --> 03:45:10,399
>> Yeah, just a matter of two days just to

4966
03:45:10,399 --> 03:45:13,279
one day cuz I I would like the reason

4967
03:45:13,279 --> 03:45:14,960
why we meet last Wednesday and this

4968
03:45:14,960 --> 03:45:16,479
Wednesday is because I wanted all

4969
03:45:16,479 --> 03:45:19,199
council members to be at the meeting. I

4970
03:45:19,199 --> 03:45:20,880
did not want to set the meeting with one

4971
03:45:20,880 --> 03:45:23,359
of us missing because we're only six of

4972
03:45:23,359 --> 03:45:26,319
us and it will not be beneficial because

4973
03:45:26,319 --> 03:45:28,479
we had we could have meet our leader but

4974
03:45:28,479 --> 03:45:30,479
there were one missing

4975
03:45:30,479 --> 03:45:33,920
>> and I don't feel that was too

4976
03:45:33,920 --> 03:45:36,640
>> so I ask for your support the next week

4977
03:45:36,640 --> 03:45:41,279
to sacrifice a day or two more.

4978
03:45:41,279 --> 03:45:44,479
All right. Anything else before

4979
03:45:44,479 --> 03:45:47,920
please and um commissioner if you have

4980
03:45:47,920 --> 03:45:49,760
any question please um provide the

4981
03:45:49,760 --> 03:45:52,800
answer to the uh to the members so that

4982
03:45:52,800 --> 03:45:55,600
way we're not waiting until um Friday. I

4983
03:45:55,600 --> 03:45:57,760
have a couple I will follow you.

4984
03:45:57,760 --> 03:45:59,920
>> Any emails sending emails with any

4985
03:45:59,920 --> 03:46:02,399
questions I did not answer.

4986
03:46:02,399 --> 03:46:05,279
So that's take care

4987
03:46:05,279 --> 03:46:06,880
>> and please if you're sending question

4988
03:46:06,880 --> 03:46:10,080
copy myself copy and copy Sam so that we

4989
03:46:10,080 --> 03:46:12,479
can able to track it because Sam does a

4990
03:46:12,479 --> 03:46:15,120
print out to make sure that we those

4991
03:46:15,120 --> 03:46:16,880
questions are being answered. If you

4992
03:46:16,880 --> 03:46:20,880
don't do that then we we can't track it.

4993
03:46:20,880 --> 03:46:24,239
>> All right. Anything else?

4994
03:46:24,239 --> 03:46:27,040
>> So I ask a motion to uh recess.

4995
03:46:27,040 --> 03:46:28,560
>> So moved second.

4996
03:46:28,560 --> 03:46:31,120
>> All in favor. Thank you so much. Good

4997
03:46:31,120 --> 03:46:35,080
night everyone. Thank you.