[0:00] whatever is approved for steps and
[0:02] management. So that stay the same. uh
[0:05] longevity is as it was or as it should
[0:08] be for staff members
[0:13] um postage you know I mean we basically
[0:16] have the same kind of postage we we
[0:18] reduced the I mean we didn't reduce I'm
[0:22] realizing the cost of computers and
[0:25] computing equipment is going up so we
[0:30] have gone down from before so we may
[0:32] have to borrow a computer to pay in the
[0:35] future if we need to deal with computer
[0:37] equipment. Um I just this year was able
[0:42] to replace a computer that I had since I
[0:44] had been at the city. So I know that
[0:48] we're going to have to go through some
[0:49] cycles of but I think everyone else in
[0:51] the office has had new machines. Um so
[0:54] hopefully we can not have to worry about
[0:57] um new computing equipment. um postage.
[1:00] We we still have a lot, you know, we
[1:01] send out um information to those folks
[1:04] who have their exemptions and wait to
[1:07] renew their exemptions. So um we send
[1:09] out that you know there's other
[1:12] requirements in terms of us sending out
[1:14] information to people about renewing
[1:17] exemptions um not just from the STAR
[1:20] program but also other exemptions that
[1:22] they have. So that is a costly thing but
[1:25] we didn't change it from last year
[1:26] because it generally stays the same. um
[1:30] administration expense. So that I can't
[1:35] remember what we that that's generally
[1:37] paying for um our access to Gar MLS, the
[1:42] multiple listing service so that we can
[1:44] do um our appraisals and things that we
[1:48] use for
[1:50] value property. Um and also Siren, which
[1:53] is a the commercial part of that.
[1:57] And then advertising. We haven't really
[2:01] haven't we the only thing we really need
[2:03] to do with advertising is put legal
[2:05] notices in the paper as per real
[2:07] property tax law. We need to let them
[2:09] know when we put the tenative roll out
[2:11] and when we put the final roll out. Um
[2:13] doesn't really cost too much. So that's
[2:15] a limited extent. um inservice training
[2:20] that uh so the appraiser in the office
[2:24] is required to have an appraisal license
[2:27] and we pay for continuing education for
[2:29] her. I have an appraisal license and I
[2:31] have to stay certified at the state for
[2:34] continuing it. So that there hasn't, you
[2:37] know, it really hasn't changed. There
[2:39] wasn't anything that changed with that.
[2:41] Um, we have to pay New York State for
[2:44] the privilege of using real property
[2:47] service, which is our RPS system,
[2:50] and they're in the process of changing
[2:52] that over, but they have told us that
[2:54] there is going to be no change in the
[2:56] amount of money that we have to pay, and
[2:58] it's based off parcel size or size of
[3:01] the municipality in terms of parcels.
[3:04] So, um that shouldn't change. Uh we
[3:07] reduced a little bit of our supplies
[3:08] budget because we found that we're not
[3:10] um sometimes
[3:12] well now that we're ordering our paper
[3:14] from the stable. We used to order paper
[3:16] through multiple departments, but um
[3:18] we're ordering paper through stables and
[3:20] it's a little cheaper now. Um and then
[3:23] the maintenance contracts, that's our we
[3:25] got a new copy machine. We do a lot of
[3:27] copies. Um, when they when folks come in
[3:29] with their exemption applications, we
[3:32] give them a copy of their front page
[3:34] after we stamp it so that they have
[3:36] their receipt is what we call it.
[3:39] >> Um, and that's, you know, it's kind of
[3:41] it's been expensive with the new
[3:43] contract. The last one we had, we didn't
[3:46] pay we just paid for maintenance and
[3:48] then it just got to the point where it
[3:49] was too old. So, we needed to um
[3:51] purchase a new product machine. Um and
[3:54] the the board of assessment review that
[3:57] the salaries are going to remain the
[3:58] same. So there's really hasn't been too
[4:01] much. I think the the most increase has
[4:04] been with salaries based on you know
[4:07] steps for um union employees and then
[4:11] you know whatever management.
[4:18] Any questions?
[4:20] >> Questions.
[4:22] Go ahead, please.
[4:24] >> So, the the real property appraiser. So,
[4:26] is that who does like appraisers for us?
[4:29] Appraisals for us like because I know we
[4:31] talked about that person on commercial
[4:34] or excuse me, focus on residential
[4:36] appraising and then I deal with the
[4:38] commercial stuff.
[4:43] » Any other questions?
[4:45] >> Is that answer?
[4:47] >> Yeah, my question was along the line. I
[4:49] know like we had conversations around
[4:51] expenses that it would that could
[4:53] potentially cost the city if we had to
[4:54] get it appraisal done and
[4:57] >> yeah so it's a little when we have to go
[4:59] like for a tax purposes
[5:01] >> sure
[5:02] >> we need a trial ready appraisal which
[5:04] was not something that we should provide
[5:06] in house it's something that we need to
[5:08] hire out for
[5:09] >> for like the separation okay
[5:11] >> yeah because in real property tax law
[5:14] what's on the books for the assessment
[5:15] office is supposed to be what's legally
[5:17] acceptable and Then if you need to prove
[5:21] otherwise, you know, a petitioner has to
[5:22] come in and say provide,
[5:25] we have to provide a uh
[5:28] >> that makes sense to me.
[5:29] >> Something outside of that.
[5:30] >> Thank you.
[5:33] >> Any other question?
[5:36] Thank you so much for your time.
[5:37] >> Thank you.
[5:41] » The board of assessment um there's no change there.
[5:46] >> No, no, no change.
[5:49] still, you know, are receiving the same
[5:51] um payment they've received for
[5:55] as long as I've been here.
[5:58] >> We have known over the years that the
[6:00] attendance, how did you see attendance
[6:02] um from his board last year?
[6:04] >> It was it was very good.
[6:05] >> Very good.
[6:05] >> Yeah. You know, I I think if there's
[6:08] anything to question, um it's that we
[6:12] don't have the volume and I don't know
[6:14] the history because I wasn't here for
[6:16] the last readaloud, but we don't know
[6:17] the volume of
[6:20] um
[6:21] things that they had to deal with
[6:23] before. I just know the value volume now
[6:25] has gone down. Right. So, but if we
[6:27] enter into some kind of revaluation in
[6:30] the future,
[6:31] they're going to earn their earn their
[6:35] wages, earn their their money. So,
[6:37] that's I mean, I think that's something
[6:38] to think about in terms of keeping it,
[6:41] particularly if we're looking in the
[6:42] near future.
[6:45] >> I I have a question about that, but I
[6:47] think it might be more for u the
[6:48] commissioner. Do we pay them at the end
[6:50] of the year or something? Like, why have
[6:52] we not have we not
[6:54] >> What's that? Sorry. um the board
[6:56] >> board of assessment to review um they've
[6:58] all
[6:58] >> usually once a year
[7:00] >> once a year as soon as they're finished
[7:02] with their contractual
[7:04] you know their um what they have to do.
[7:07] So, as soon as they're finished with
[7:10] soon as our board chair signs off on all
[7:12] the letters, that's when I release the
[7:14] payment and I give um the vouchers to
[7:17] the sign's office
[7:18] >> and that typically me. She's your
[7:21] >> No, that's Yeah, at the end it's it's
[7:23] typically before July 1st because
[7:26] everything has to be out July 4 1st. So,
[7:29] everything has to be signed off by that.
[7:31] >> Okay, great. Yeah. Thank you.
[7:33] >> Any other question?
[7:35] >> I see no time. Afternoon.
[7:38] >> Excellent.
[7:39] >> We will go into the clerk's office and
[7:42] that is on the bottom of page 80.
[7:48] » Page 1814 clerk's office has increased
[7:51] by 5.55% from 325,000
[7:57] uh 37 approximately 17,000
[8:08] about this group that's not here.
[8:21] » Okay. The only salary increase that's a
[8:24] little different is the deputy res who
[8:27] is deputy from bio records. uh her
[8:32] salary with uh the regular management
[8:36] increase would be below the IPS3 who she
[8:40] manages. So her increase was a little
[8:43] higher than you know than everyone else.
[8:46] It doesn't fall in line. Um
[8:50] we have a slight reduction in supplies
[8:53] and postage.
[9:02] I think uh we can finally get to link
[9:04] with that. It should be okay. Uh
[9:08] travel conferences we haven't had in a
[9:10] while. And in the service training
[9:13] that's still the same. Although
[9:16] um last uh last month there was a
[9:19] conference training that I wanted to go
[9:20] to but we just didn't have enough in the
[9:22] budget for it.
[9:27] » So So is this fun? I'm sorry. Go ahead,
[9:31] please.
[9:32] >> That would not cover the cost to go to
[9:34] that.
[9:34] >> No.
[9:35] >> Yeah, you're right. Especially if it's
[9:37] if there be Okay.
[9:43] » Any question from Miss Michael? Please
[9:45] go ahead.
[9:45] >> Hi, thank you. So, so the clerical aid
[9:48] is a 12% increase. Can you explain why
[9:50] that was again? the IPS
[9:53] or the cler
[9:55] that's union. So the IPS3 and the
[9:59] clerically they're both union positions.
[10:01] So that goes in line with the contract.
[10:06] » And does that include a step increase?
[10:12] Yes.
[10:12] >> Okay.
[10:14] >> Any other question?
[10:20] Seeing none, we're good. Thank you.
[10:24] >> We'll go into um
[10:29] code enforcement and that is on the
[10:31] bottom of page 59
[10:34] into 60
[10:39] the enforcement decreased by 11.89%
[10:42] from 1.4 million approximately to 1.2 2
[10:46] million uh 170.
[10:53] » Do you need this?
[10:55] Hold on.
[11:04] Finish with me.
[11:05] >> Yes. Can you please walk us through any
[11:07] significant changes within your
[11:10] department budget?
[11:13] So, um I'll start with staffing. So, um
[11:16] we made some significant changes for
[11:19] staffing. We've uh
[11:23] lowered the code enforcement. First of
[11:26] all, uh no proposed changes or requests
[11:29] for salt. Um this estimated 3% increase
[11:35] for for a management and uh across the
[11:39] board.
[11:42] So um we have eliminated two positions
[11:46] for code enforcement officers and
[11:49] uh also for administrative staff we have
[11:53] eliminated the clerk position.
[11:59] So um
[12:02] the electrical inspector has went from
[12:06] full-time to a part-time position. I
[12:08] don't know if that's reflecting on
[12:10] I'm not looking at what you're looking
[12:12] at.
[12:14] >> It's not built.
[12:15] >> It's not.
[12:17] >> So, we're proposing to go to a part-time
[12:21] position for the electrical inspector at
[12:24] a $35,000 salary that it's been updated
[12:28] or should be updated.
[12:30] >> No, it's not updated as a proposal. We
[12:32] had a conversation about it.
[12:34] >> This was after the budget was put
[12:36] together. Yes. So, um I'm proposing to
[12:40] put that 35,000
[12:42] back in for the electrical inspector,
[12:44] parttime position. That'll be split. So,
[12:47] we'll have a a part-time position for
[12:50] the electrical inspector and leading on
[12:52] third party services to uh make up the
[12:55] difference there, make sure we can cover
[12:57] our services.
[12:59] >> What is the amount that you're trying
[13:00] that you'd like to turn in the budget?
[13:02] >> 35,000.
[13:03] >> 35.
[13:04] >> Yes.
[13:08] And where would that Oh, so that would
[13:11] be would that go under um the
[13:13] >> spect
[13:17] should be 4,000,
[13:20] >> so so just leave it in at 75,15
[13:24] this year.
[13:26] >> Right. But
[13:26] >> zero No,
[13:28] >> the problem
[13:30] >> position is
[13:33] >> hiring an individual who is a retired
[13:36] city firefighter
[13:38] as a certification into teacher Hudson
[13:41] Valley,
[13:44] great guy.
[13:47] But because he is retired in under the
[13:50] age of 65, he is limited to earning only
[13:55] $35,000
[13:57] a year. Uh I thought this might resolve
[14:00] it. So county civil service commission
[14:03] gave a test to the electrical inspector.
[14:06] He is the only person that took it, the
[14:08] only person that passed.
[14:10] >> So I can only hire him for 35,000.
[14:14] There's some indication this
[14:18] past budget year going in that the state
[14:21] was going to raise that amount that
[14:24] individuals could make as retirees.
[14:28] Uh but it's still at 35,000. So we're
[14:32] somewhat of a quandry or I'd like him to
[14:34] be here full-time, but we can't pay him
[14:38] full-time salary and it worked it. So if
[14:40] he worked for a while at the 35,000
[14:44] then now is working a outside contractor
[14:50] group in to do the electrical
[14:52] inspecting. So it's a less than optimal
[14:56] scenario. It's
[14:59] reality recruitment and people that meet
[15:01] the technical background.
[15:05] So may how is that third party
[15:07] inspection?
[15:10] Good. He's going to inspect.
[15:13] >> So individual pay
[15:16] for party inspection and then how our
[15:18] inspector will do it.
[15:20] >> Uh correct.
[15:24] » Go ahead please.
[15:25] >> No, I just I was asking for
[15:27] clarification. So what did we spend last
[15:29] year on on this particular salary line?
[15:31] It was 75,000 last year.
[15:33] >> It was uh very close to 75,000. I don't
[15:35] have the exact figure in front of me,
[15:37] but yes, you're you're very close to
[15:40] getting.
[15:42] >> So, last year he was able to earn the
[15:44] full salary while you're working through
[15:46] this process.
[15:47] >> Um, he he came on board city midway
[15:51] through the year.
[15:52] >> So, he didn't reach that threshold
[15:56] uh that conflicted with his retirement.
[15:59] So, uh, when that when that threshold
[16:02] was getting close to where we made some
[16:05] changes,
[16:07] >> so we didn't spend 5,000 next year
[16:09] because he only
[16:12] position retired, but he was paid for
[16:16] the remainder of the year to roughly
[16:19] 35,000. So, the expenditure on that line
[16:23] was close to budget.
[16:29] Go ahead.
[16:31] You said earlier that there was no
[16:33] increases beyond the 3%. Correct. The
[16:39] enforcement supervisor
[16:42] is plus $3,000. Didn't know if you had
[16:44] explanation for that. That clearly
[16:45] exceeds the
[16:48] different.
[16:53] » And then follow question M. Um, seeking
[16:57] clarification of one of the questions
[16:59] I've had about any code enforcement
[17:02] officers. My understanding those are
[17:04] revenue generating positions and as
[17:06] compliance enforcement officers in the
[17:08] past you've talked about some of the
[17:10] difficulties with um training
[17:13] individuals in this profession and how
[17:14] it requires a steep learning curve. Um,
[17:17] but I wanted to know were these
[17:19] reductions related to the revenue
[17:21] reductions with respect to like a
[17:23] building?
[17:25] Well, historically, I'm aware that uh
[17:29] while we had 12 positions budgeted,
[17:33] uh we we have never had them filled.
[17:37] Um and I I believe with
[17:41] provide professional services from a
[17:44] city to the public with with no problem
[17:47] with the 12 positions.
[17:50] >> So, just follow up to that. Sorry. Um
[17:52] yes,
[17:53] >> those additional two positions were they
[17:55] never sought to be filled or what was
[17:57] the expectancy and not pursuing them?
[18:00] >> Um they haven't been filled since I've
[18:02] been with the city and uh I'm aware that
[18:05] they weren't filled uh even close to
[18:08] when I came on board. So, I came on
[18:11] board with 10 officers and u I can't
[18:15] speak for the exact situation leading up
[18:18] to me coming on board with the city, but
[18:22] I I don't believe they've ever been
[18:24] filled.
[18:29] » So, you budgeted for 10. How many are currently filled right now?
[18:35] >> Five right now.
[18:36] >> But right now, we only have five. with
[18:39] five.
[18:43] And how long has it been at?
[18:45] >> Um, actually today we're staying with
[18:47] five.
[18:49] >> Okay. Was it before that?
[18:51] >> Um,
[18:53] before today.
[18:55] >> So did five bring you up to five taking
[18:58] down?
[18:58] >> Five brought brought us up. So we had
[19:00] two officers become certified today.
[19:04] >> So before then you had three.
[19:05] >> Yeah, we have today.
[19:06] >> Yep.
[19:08] three certified officers, uh, three
[19:11] certified management, so six working
[19:15] certified officers and, uh,
[19:22] » just just for a little more clarity, so
[19:24] you had five, but did did the three
[19:25] management actually go out into the
[19:27] field or was that more
[19:28] >> We have since we've been um since we've
[19:32] been struggling with uh staffing and
[19:35] we've been having a little bit of
[19:37] shorting staff it short shortage there.
[19:40] We have been working field one
[19:43] >> and now with the two officers uh
[19:46] becoming certified today we virtually uh
[19:48] doubled our field staff.
[19:53] Um, I was looking at the uh revenue
[19:56] today from the year-to- date budget
[19:58] reports and we're we're down um in uh
[20:02] the uh the fees, the president fees. And
[20:06] I was just wondering if if you had any
[20:09] idea on why we're not bringing in that
[20:12] revenue. I'm not sure if you can answer
[20:14] that or if there's just less going on or
[20:17] >> Can you share the line? Yeah.
[20:19] I don't know if you have this, but I'll
[20:21] show you the on.
[20:23] >> I'll just um It's call for everybody
[20:25] else.
[20:25] >> Call the number of the number.
[20:27] >> Yep. For everybody else, it's um and I
[20:29] think Mr. Williams was starting to
[20:30] allude to this maybe, but it was 251.
[20:34] Um it's really been through
[20:37] B, I think. But the more significant uh
[20:41] decreases are in the um the plumbing
[20:45] permit fee. I mean in terms of what we
[20:47] were expecting for revenue. Okay.
[20:49] >> Um the uh let's see that was plumbing
[20:54] permit, electrical permit
[20:58] um and rental certific.
[21:08] So the plumbing permit fee while we do
[21:13] work hand in hand with plumbing uh does
[21:16] reside in the water department. It's in
[21:19] that budget. Um so I won't speak on
[21:21] that. I think that's more uh
[21:25] appropriate for OS and the water
[21:28] department to speak on the funding.
[21:30] >> Okay. Um the other permit fees um
[21:41] I think the biggest moment will be
[21:47] electrical went down by 70,000.
[21:54] Um
[21:58] I think it might be related to
[22:02] it could be related to trends. So there
[22:05] might not be as much work going on in
[22:07] the field
[22:09] last year.
[22:14] [Music]
[22:18] So we did have some large projects that
[22:22] were permitted last year and they were
[22:24] significant. They were
[22:29] hundred hundreds of thousands of dollars
[22:30] in permit fees. So that could affected
[22:33] us significantly.
[22:35] >> Thank you.
[22:37] >> Go ahead.
[22:38] >> Um
[22:39] thank you. Um Mr. Chy, do you have any
[22:42] um anyone in queue ringing up, you know,
[22:46] to be placed to up your five?
[22:49] >> Um, so it is a priority to fill those
[22:52] spots and I'm looking for good qualified
[22:56] candidates and um we're having a little
[22:59] bit of a challenge in finding qualified
[23:02] candidates. realizing there's a hiring
[23:04] freeze. Um I just wondered if you have
[23:07] someone that was already in training at
[23:08] this point. So you're constantly
[23:10] looking.
[23:11] >> No. So we are constantly uh interviewing
[23:13] and I don't have anybody in training
[23:15] now.
[23:16] >> Okay.
[23:16] >> Um
[23:18] reviewing applications and it's a high
[23:20] priority to bring fill those positions.
[23:23] >> Thank you.
[23:23] >> You're welcome.
[23:25] >> Go ahead.
[23:26] >> Thank you. So um you talked about the
[23:28] plumbing permit piece, but um there's
[23:30] really no change in that. There's
[23:32] actually a plumbing licensing fee. Is
[23:34] that also It's only It's a couple grand.
[23:36] Is that also some That would be okay.
[23:39] I'm sorry. I should say it's A2501E
[23:43] and down.
[23:48] » So that's not your item.
[23:50] >> Similar situation. Yeah. That belongs to
[23:52] the water department.
[23:57] » All right. Any other questions?
[23:59] >> Yes. So that so it's kind of going back
[24:01] to the electrical inspector um at having
[24:06] to cut his salary in half because not
[24:09] able to make um over 35 grand. So the
[24:13] rest of so the remainder of that comes
[24:16] out of fees for services. Correct.
[24:19] >> Um I don't believe so. So, the third party will charge a fee for
[24:27] the inspections that are done through
[24:30] that third party firm.
[24:35] » Hold on. So, so the third party firm
[24:40] charges who for the
[24:43] >> the applicant
[24:50] » and who's the third party
[24:54] that we're using right now? It's not
[24:56] him, right?
[24:56] >> Middle department. Middle department
[25:00] inspection agency. NDIA. Okay.
[25:06] Um, so I do have a question about
[25:10] the stop work order fees. I think we may
[25:13] have had a big discussion. So there's a
[25:15] charge for the stop order and then
[25:17] there's a another $75 charge to go along
[25:19] with that which is
[25:22] >> so an administrative fee is for any
[25:24] violation that's issued.
[25:26] >> So that's 75
[25:27] >> $75 an administrative fee. Yes.
[25:30] And then once the person actually comes
[25:32] and gets their permit, you're charged
[25:35] twice for that permit.
[25:37] >> There is a Yes, there's a double permit
[25:40] fee for a stop work order
[25:43] >> even though that So they're getting
[25:45] penalized twice. Then they're getting
[25:47] penalized with the 500 for the stop work
[25:49] order and then penalized by making them
[25:51] pay the permit twice.
[25:53] >> Yeah. So this is nothing new. many
[25:57] more than many it's a large percentage
[25:59] of municipalities handled that situation
[26:02] the same way and uh that that is what's
[26:05] set up in sky and it's been set up long
[26:08] before I've been here
[26:10] >> well it was brought to my attention
[26:12] because somebody came to the bill and
[26:13] said they tried to adise the same thing
[26:16] I've never had a personal experience so
[26:18] that's why I'm bringing it here because
[26:19] I did not know that that was the case
[26:21] >> so that's in the ordinance that um when
[26:23] there's a stop order issued, there's
[26:26] double permit fees. So, all all permit
[26:28] fees are doubled when uh there's a stop
[26:31] work order issued.
[26:34] >> Okay.
[26:38] » Any other questions?
[26:40] >> So, just for a little clarity on this,
[26:42] so the third party inspector
[26:46] charges the applicant. So, and when when
[26:51] this gentleman's under his $35,000
[26:53] threshold, then that money comes into
[26:56] the city as revenue. Correct.
[26:59] >> Or how does this work?
[27:00] >> The application fee goes to the city for
[27:02] the Yes.
[27:04] >> And when we have to outsource it,
[27:07] whoever we outsource it to,
[27:10] >> so when we do outsource it, inspection
[27:12] fees on the charged. Mhm.
[27:16] >> So the city does not charge when we're
[27:18] outsourcing it to the third parties
[27:19] directly, we do not charge a home owner
[27:22] or the contractor fee. Correct.
[27:24] >> So that fee is paid directly
[27:26] >> to the third party. Yes. So we don't
[27:28] generate no revenue.
[27:30] >> Yes. Correct.
[27:30] >> To offset that electrical inspection.
[27:33] >> Correct.
[27:34] >> You see permit people do that
[27:36] inspection.
[27:36] >> That's what I'm saying. That's why I
[27:37] want to ask a question. People are still
[27:38] paying a fee
[27:41] for electrical permit.
[27:43] If we so if we're collecting a fee for
[27:47] that electrical permit then why do we
[27:49] then why do they have to pay in a third
[27:51] party they're double paying for the
[27:53] service same service
[27:55] >> they won't if we've paid if they paid
[27:57] the city for that there's some reason to
[27:59] transition where the MDI was billing the
[28:03] city for the work that they were
[28:05] providing
[28:07] >> so then why are we charging an amount of
[28:08] efficiency when they have to go to put
[28:11] the party admin to work.
[28:14] >> You have to pay the permit fee no matter
[28:17] what to give it to the department.
[28:19] >> If you
[28:22] pay the inspector directly, you don't
[28:25] pay the city. If it's build to the city,
[28:29] then they're paying at the city. So,
[28:32] we're paying MDI.
[28:34] >> So, a a homeowner can go directly to
[28:36] this agency for the permit for the
[28:40] inspection.
[28:41] >> An inspection, not a permit. not the
[28:42] permit. Now, I'm trying to get to the
[28:44] fee because people are being charged for
[28:47] the application,
[28:49] the permit fees, whatever we want to
[28:51] call it, and then they're being they
[28:52] have to pay the third party also.
[28:56] So, there are inspection fees that would
[28:59] when the city's handling the
[29:00] inspections, there are inspection fees
[29:03] that are included.
[29:06] They're above and beyond the permit fee,
[29:07] the application fee, if you will. uh
[29:11] application fee and the permit fee are separate from the inspection fee.
[29:16] >> So we're saying that we only charge in
[29:18] the application fee.
[29:19] >> Yes.
[29:20] >> And not the the the fee associated with
[29:23] the work what we call cost of work fee
[29:25] and then the rest go to the third party.
[29:27] So the third party is charging for the
[29:29] cost of work and we just charging for
[29:31] the application fee. That's 75 whatever
[29:33] that fee is. I think it's more than that
[29:36] >> 75
[29:37] >> $75. So if I were to come to pull a
[29:39] permit for electrical permit to the
[29:41] city, I'm paying $75.
[29:43] >> Yes, sir.
[29:44] >> And then the third party, I have to pay
[29:46] the third party for whatever inspection.
[29:49] >> Yes, sir.
[29:49] >> Should be careful at that premises.
[29:51] >> Yes, sir.
[29:52] >> If there's something you think is
[29:53] inconsistent with that,
[29:55] >> I will I I'm going to ask for a report
[29:57] on that because I've been getting a lot
[29:59] of complaint about people are paying the
[30:01] city. I want to verify, but since we're
[30:04] talking about it, I was going to bring
[30:06] it up. I was going to put it in the
[30:07] document here to send my question in. I
[30:10] wanted to see that how much in the last
[30:12] 6 months or a year, how much 6 months,
[30:15] this only happened a couple months ago.
[30:17] How much homeowner or contractor have
[30:19] been paid to the city for electrical
[30:22] work, the cost of work and application
[30:26] fee and how much was paid
[30:29] or how much work was done by the third
[30:30] party. Okay,
[30:33] go ahead, please. And so
[30:36] and my original qu earlier question was
[30:40] do we pay out of fees for service to
[30:43] that third party and you were saying he
[30:46] said no we don't pay out of service for
[30:48] the um for the third party. So my
[30:52] question is if but the mayor was saying
[30:54] that this third party will will build
[30:58] city right they bill us but so if
[31:01] they're billing us my question is if
[31:03] they're billing us for providing a
[31:05] service and then we're paying them for
[31:08] the service but then the home the
[31:10] homeowner or contractor is also paying
[31:12] them. That's that's what I'm trying to
[31:15] that's where it's just you know and I
[31:17] have a pretty limited scope here so
[31:18] that's why I'm asking these questions. I
[31:19] appreciate you coming.
[31:22] transition when he went from being a
[31:24] city employee who can no longer work
[31:26] here to keep him because of his skill.
[31:28] >> That makes sense, right?
[31:30] >> So there was some in the middle there
[31:32] where
[31:34] he started some some of the inspections
[31:37] are more simple
[31:40] >> like one inspection other projects where
[31:43] it may be multiple inspections.
[31:46] So for instance, there was a a
[31:48] transition period
[31:50] said um where there was open permits and
[31:54] fees were already paid to the city.
[31:56] Okay. And uh so to close those out um of
[32:01] course the third party firm wasn't
[32:03] getting paid. So, um, until those
[32:06] permits were closed out, and they were
[32:08] all new permits where we didn't charge
[32:10] these inspection fees,
[32:13] we were paying fees for services in the
[32:16] beginning of the transition period. Now,
[32:19] when that work was closed out and now
[32:22] these are new permits without us
[32:23] charging inspection fees, uh, we are not
[32:26] paying for MDI main service. They are
[32:30] the applicant is paying for their
[32:32] inspections and they do not charge the
[32:34] city for that. The applicants are paying
[32:36] for their inspections similar to them
[32:39] paying the city
[32:41] >> and the applicants are paying the same uh I guess it would be on the
[32:47] same pricing scale that the city uses.
[32:50] >> It's very similar. Okay. The bottom line
[32:52] would be very similar
[32:55] >> to the applicant.
[32:57] So you you mentioned just that we had in
[32:59] this transition happened that there were
[33:01] some old permits that the
[33:04] homeowner or the contractor paid to get
[33:06] this work done but we could have done
[33:08] the inspection in house. So we had to
[33:10] refer them to the third party. So since
[33:13] that happened we reimburse them for the
[33:15] cost of work fee not the application fee
[33:18] the cost of work fee because they have
[33:19] to hire the tour party. I don't think
[33:23] anybody hired somebody.
[33:25] >> We have open permits that was just
[33:27] mentioned.
[33:28] >> It's not old. They're open permits.
[33:31] >> So the open permits they didn't pay
[33:33] twice. So they didn't have to pay NBIA
[33:36] for that.
[33:43] » There's some questions. May I I I reach
[33:46] out to you and the several of the
[33:48] contractor wanted a meeting with you and
[33:50] you says no
[33:52] >> and that's why I'm bringing this up and
[33:53] I I you know I'm vocal about this
[33:56] department and things like that.
[33:56] >> So you got to give me specifics.
[33:59] >> I did give you specific and they asked
[34:01] to meet with you and you says no.
[34:04] >> Are there any other questions? Go ahead.
[34:07] >> So just be I just want to get clear
[34:09] because they keep talking about the
[34:10] different ones. So 88 8664404
[34:13] fat fee for services is MDIA.
[34:17] >> Um
[34:19] so it is not MDIA. So fees for service
[34:22] is services code enforcement uses. Um it
[34:27] could be um an engineering firm. It's um
[34:32] it's our process server for uh serving
[34:37] uh
[34:39] for
[34:41] uh appearance tickets. It is um car
[34:45] washes for that matter. It is uh it's
[34:48] fees for service in general. We use it
[34:50] for any fees for services in code
[34:54] enforcement.
[34:56] >> So where are they being paid for? Go
[34:57] ahead. You got it. I do um on back up on
[35:07] » code enforcement clerk. So that's a
[35:10] position that's been going to be.
[35:12] >> I'm proposing to make that position.
[35:14] >> Okay. I'm sorry. Probably said that
[35:20] » are any other questions?
[35:22] >> Go ahead, please. So um you're you're
[35:25] voting for eliminate what what are the
[35:27] first of all is it currently filled?
[35:29] >> It's not.
[35:30] >> And what are the responsibilities of
[35:32] that particular position?
[35:33] >> So it's a very entry level position.
[35:36] It's uh
[35:38] virtually answering phones and five
[35:43] >> all important tests.
[35:44] >> Yes.
[35:45] >> So
[35:48] where is that work being current if it's
[35:50] not filled in yet? So that work is being
[35:53] done by one of the other uh positions
[35:55] that we currently have built.
[35:57] >> It's being split up amongst
[35:59] administrative staff.
[36:05] » So in the last budget, was there
[36:07] somebody in that position last year?
[36:10] >> Um
[36:11] there was. I don't remember the
[36:15] chronology of what happened with that
[36:17] position. We did hire um this year and
[36:21] we had that position filled briefly and
[36:25] that person uh is now an IPS3 position.
[36:33] » So where does MDI get paid from?
[36:38] >> Where where does MDIA get paid from? So
[36:40] in the brief transition they got paid
[36:43] from they are getting paid I I believe
[36:46] this will be the last uh invoice that we
[36:48] receive from them uh from fees for
[36:51] service
[36:53] but that line doesn't belong to MDIA
[36:57] >> it's annual fees
[36:58] >> it's for many different services
[37:03] » so there's a breakdown of what MBA gets
[37:05] in the car washes so there's a breakdown
[37:07] what's paid out that line
[37:10] find that out.
[37:13] >> Yes,
[37:17] I do have one more question. So the in
[37:19] so you also um in full processing
[37:22] special you had two now you're going
[37:25] down to one.
[37:27] >> Um yes
[37:29] proposing to uh turn one into an IPS
[37:34] board.
[37:38] » Okay. So going from one IPS4 to two.
[37:41] >> Yes.
[37:41] >> Okay. Thank you.
[37:46] » Are there any other questions?
[37:49] >> Seeing none. Thank you so much. Have a
[37:51] good night.
[38:28] Okay, let's do central data processing
[38:31] page 28 and then we'll do some
[38:34] engineering
[38:38] that is page 28 sections.
[38:57] Central process page 28 1680 uh
[39:01] totalations increased by 8.267 267
[39:05] 835,000
[39:06] to 93,000 approximately a 69,000
[39:10] increase
[39:19] see
[39:22] anything about open for questions.
[39:26] >> Okay. Uh yes. So most of these increases
[39:29] we have is from u input services. We u
[39:34] consolidated some of the line items
[39:37] which was uh in different department
[39:41] you know it fix you know website
[39:44] management and all those things were
[39:47] from different departments and equipment
[39:50] also. Uh so they put that in my budget.
[39:55] So that's on the amount of
[40:02] » question. Go ahead please.
[40:04] >> Yes. So under the administrative
[40:06] salaries 81680.
[40:10] So we've had an IT specialist web master
[40:12] and now they're being moved to the
[40:14] junior network administrator. So looks
[40:16] like done done away with that one on the
[40:19] web master added the administrator at
[40:22] the same salary.
[40:25] Yeah. So what happened was the IT web
[40:29] master person was there but the
[40:30] individual
[40:32] needs to take the exam. So civil service
[40:35] asked us to drop him down or put other
[40:38] position. So we made him a PC support
[40:41] specialist.
[40:43] But this individual has a higher skill
[40:45] on that. So I'm trying to bring another
[40:48] position again in next year at a little
[40:52] bit higher value than 50 supports.
[40:56] >> So are you saying that you're moving
[40:57] them to the junior network administrator
[40:59] that would
[40:59] >> Yeah.
[41:00] >> However, there's no increase in salary
[41:02] that individual.
[41:03] >> Um yeah, I do see that. So um a little
[41:08] bit increase on that. So if we can
[41:12] increase the 5 grand difference of the
[41:15] support to this big
[41:24] so they're currently support
[41:30] um so they will be receiving an increase
[41:32] the junior network administrator
[41:34] position of 66,950
[41:37] that we divide that will be subed by the
[41:40] It's less than that for the
[41:42] administrator.
[41:49] » Yeah. Sorry. Please.
[41:51] >> So you talked about how you are reducing
[41:54] or adjusting this role within your
[41:58] department and the way in which you did
[42:01] that. Just a clear question of can you
[42:04] talk about HR's involvement in that
[42:05] process or are these sincerely just your
[42:08] internal recommendations of how to
[42:09] capture their skill set at the right
[42:12] conversation level?
[42:13] >> Yeah. Yeah. So actually we had three
[42:16] position before with the PC list and one
[42:19] with the IP master uh which was in early
[42:24] 2024.
[42:25] That position was there but individual
[42:27] left position in the middle of the year.
[42:30] So I have
[42:32] an individual from that position. He had
[42:34] that skill set to do it.
[42:37] >> Uh but he was supposed to take the civil
[42:39] service exam which missed. So we had the
[42:43] letter from service to drop him off on
[42:46] the we had to take him off and put him
[42:49] on the PC support because there was
[42:52] position at the time. So uh this year I
[42:55] managed to fit that position PC support
[42:59] uh three right now there are four
[43:00] individual on that I'm going to move
[43:03] that individual to this uh new position.
[43:08] » Okay. Um
[43:11] the stipen
[43:12] for 300 proposed it hasn't been proposed
[43:15] be hasn't been before. Is that for you
[43:19] getting up in the middle of the night
[43:20] and going to computer to save us?
[43:23] rightfully so.
[43:26] >> Would that be pay for you? That's
[43:28] >> lucky.
[43:32] I believe that is for um the uh the
[43:36] chief technology officer.
[43:38] >> Okay.
[43:43] [Laughter]
[43:47] Um I'm just asking because the
[43:49] assessment was just here and you know
[43:51] last year we had um allocated $60,000 to
[43:55] upgrade all the machines and how are you
[43:57] with that in terms of upgrading all the
[43:58] machine across all the departments.
[44:01] >> Yeah, I appreciate you giving that
[44:03] helped a lot. So we are 60 70% done
[44:08] replacing the machine and because of
[44:11] that like we don't have the
[44:14] like in all staff and you know like I
[44:18] how it works you know like there is not
[44:20] enough time every day to do you know
[44:23] like sometime we go do sometime
[44:25] something comes up right so because my
[44:27] guys uh you know still try to you know
[44:30] accomplish school job so we have 70%
[44:33] down And
[44:35] >> yeah, but uh the funding you allocated
[44:39] that will suffice to replace all those
[44:41] machines we which we talked about
[44:43] >> and your pace to get that done.
[44:45] >> Yes.
[44:45] >> Before the end of this year.
[44:46] >> Uh before end of this month.
[44:48] >> End of this month.
[44:50] >> Yes.
[44:51] >> Please. Yeah.
[44:52] >> It's good that we have updated
[44:54] technology because cyber security and
[44:56] things that mean it's good to have that
[44:58] know.
[45:00] >> Yeah. Yeah. That helped a lot. Go ahead,
[45:03] please.
[45:04] >> So, the largest budget line, and if you
[45:05] said this at night, I'm sorry. Your
[45:07] largest budget line is A16804
[45:10] fees for service.
[45:11] >> That's your largest budget line, and
[45:13] there's been somewhat of an increase
[45:15] there.
[45:16] >> Yeah. Yeah. From those increase mostly,
[45:18] you know, like I said, you know, the the budget line was in different
[45:23] department before.
[45:25] >> It is it is in here.
[45:27] >> So, like
[45:29] fix the you know.
[45:31] >> Okay. CD plus for the websites and also
[45:34] we got this mobile device management
[45:36] which is uh for the protection of the
[45:39] you know mobile devices within our
[45:42] organization cell phone or tablets those
[45:44] things so that we done this year that is
[45:49] also in that
[45:51] >> and also
[45:53] solution which is also
[45:55] >> I'm sorry what was that
[45:56] >> email filtering solution
[45:59] you know spam filtering
[46:02] those things we miss.
[46:04] >> Thank you.
[46:07] >> Are there any other questions?
[46:10] >> You know, thank you for doing
[46:13] keep us safe.
[46:16] >> All right,
[46:18] Mr. Wallen.
[46:31] And that will be
[46:33] page 22
[46:36] public
[46:41] increase 549%
[46:44] 9125,000
[46:48] 34 745.
[46:52] Oh,
[46:53] thank you for bringing that to my
[46:55] attention. Capital
[47:04] » um
[47:08] so it utility.
[47:13] » So if you can just walk us uh through
[47:15] that is the capital budget your um
[47:18] utilities and IT.
[47:20] Uh, sorry.
[47:23] >> I don't want to
[47:25] >> It's on page 91
[47:28] >> under capital budget.
[47:29] >> That's all for utility.
[47:31] >> Oh, that's for utilities. Okay. So, then
[47:32] you're good. You're good.
[47:34] >> We'll get you.
[47:39] » All right. Sorry for that.
[47:47] » Page 22.
[47:50] Commissioner
[47:52] Department and then we'll handle work.
[47:54] So that's a and a brief
[47:58] 40 public works
[48:02] approximately a $35,000 increase.
[48:06] >> All right. Since you have multiple
[48:07] departments here, we'll just go through
[48:09] them individually. Um public works
[48:11] admin, you want to walk us through
[48:12] there. Anything that significant change
[48:14] or increase that we need to know about?
[48:17] No. Uh so I have two IPS in my
[48:20] department or myself. So what I gave out
[48:21] was it's a budget package. I put it
[48:23] together this summary of the department
[48:26] how it made up that over here in of the
[48:29] presentation. Um so in this there isn't
[48:32] any I went through it before there isn't
[48:34] any changes uh in 1440
[48:38] above what I had proposed originally but
[48:41] I don't see anything there. if there's
[48:42] any questions. So I can just tell you
[48:44] that uh
[48:46] 1448 are the two texts I have IPS's and
[48:50] we have our longevity and we go through
[48:52] uh as we get into the uh 401 400 items
[48:56] that are posted we still have some
[48:58] posted it's not as much as you used to
[49:00] be everything being digital uh
[49:02] administrative expenses those are my
[49:04] license renewals and I go to a
[49:06] conference every year at Nikcom so we do
[49:09] pay for that through there it's
[49:10] relatively uh affordable conference
[49:12] And then what we have is leases, Xerox,
[49:16] RGis, civil 3D. So those leases that we
[49:19] have under the fees for services. Then I
[49:21] have uh city phone expense, uh supplies,
[49:24] which boil down really department
[49:26] overhead, paper, pens, $1,200, and then
[49:28] maintenance contracts. And maintenance
[49:30] contracts are actually city contracts
[49:32] that are paid for. So we have anou with
[49:34] the CDTA for $25,000 for ride share. We
[49:38] have an easement with Amtrak uh for
[49:41] public infrastructure and we have
[49:43] infrastructure. We have DOT attraction
[49:45] signs if you see on 890 say welcome
[49:48] Central Park and then we have an
[49:50] agreement with CPU rail um for the
[49:53] lights on the bridge over. So that's all
[49:57] in there. Those are all um those are all
[49:59] kind of contractual in that paid for it
[50:01] out of there. So 1440 is pretty much tax not
[50:09] >> any questions on on this section. Go
[50:11] ahead please.
[50:11] >> Um under uh administration 144100 info
[50:17] processing soft three. So there's like a
[50:20] 22% raise. Is that $10,000?
[50:24] >> Okay. Thank you. And my second question
[50:27] is
[50:30] um under 144404 fees for services.
[50:37] » Yeah, that was an adjustment. We were
[50:39] actually having to do budget adjustments
[50:41] at some point. So the Xerox license is
[50:44] over 2500. I have an RGI license that's
[50:47] 5,000. Civil 3D license that's five. So
[50:49] we were just making a correction for it
[50:51] to make sure that we cover it. Any
[50:56] questions? Go ahead, please.
[50:58] >> So, I don't have a year date for me, but
[51:00] so last year we adopted was 7500
[51:04] >> and so you said you went over that so
[51:06] that doesn't correct.
[51:09] >> Yeah, you see the 2024 actual expenses
[51:12] are $20,000,
[51:14] >> but we're trying to correct it. It's
[51:16] just to make sure everything's
[51:18] representative correctly.
[51:19] >> All right. Thank you.
[51:20] >> Yep. Any other question on this section?
[51:23] Seeing none, we'll move to page 23,
[51:26] engineering, construction, and design.
[51:29] >> Commissioner
[51:34] page 23, 841,
[51:37] total increase of 19.1%
[51:40] 33 increase.
[51:45] » Um, so here we have assistant to the
[51:49] city engineer. This is a position that
[51:52] was previously held by Gary Fowl who
[51:54] retired. Um it's position that I like to
[51:57] have as it does not require a PE. Um the
[52:01] PE is a difficult thing to hire for
[52:04] because you either have someone who's
[52:06] experienced who would want more than 95
[52:09] or inexperienced who may want credit and
[52:11] doesn't have a PD. So that kind of gives
[52:12] us some flexibility. Also, it's at a
[52:15] salary where if uh we wanted to change
[52:18] that title in the future to something
[52:19] that comes to consolidates budgeted if
[52:21] we wanted to do something like uh but
[52:24] before I had or you'll see in my notes
[52:26] we talked about senior engineering
[52:28] technician you know joins I saw your
[52:30] comment about you know hiring an
[52:32] engineer one of the things that we're
[52:34] struggling with in engineering is we're
[52:37] in this this middle ground a junior
[52:40] engineer if you hire a junior engineer I
[52:42] started as a junior engineer
[52:44] And if you hire a junior engineer who
[52:45] wants to be a PE, we don't offer enough
[52:49] design experience to get your work PE.
[52:52] So for instance, I left. I left for four
[52:55] years. I got my PE and I came back. So I
[52:59] don't see it being a long-term position
[53:02] to hire someone who really wants to earn
[53:04] their PE. Um, so then we were trying to
[53:07] find people with a technical background,
[53:09] someone that, you know, has a background
[53:11] in construction and management, which is
[53:12] really the majority of what we do, um,
[53:15] that we could bring in would want a PE.
[53:18] And that's where we were looking at a
[53:19] senior engineering tech at one point,
[53:21] which was in my notes, but the assistant
[53:23] to the city engineer, um, we felt that
[53:26] that's a better fit because it's
[53:27] budgeted a little higher than senior
[53:29] engineering tech and also scan doesn't
[53:31] require.
[53:33] Um so and then just to you know you know
[53:36] be clear on this as well what's not
[53:38] represented here and I also have in my
[53:40] notes is the storm water control
[53:42] officer. One of the things that I talked
[53:45] about at a council meeting when I did an
[53:47] update was the importance of the city
[53:50] being prepared for all the new MS4
[53:52] requirements and all the reporting and
[53:54] inspections that go along with that.
[53:55] Right now we're using a third party
[53:57] engineering firm PT Mail to review and
[54:00] handle all of it. It's a large
[54:02] administrative lift to keep in
[54:05] compliance. So that position is in storm
[54:09] sorry in the sewer budget. Um and you
[54:11] know I would wholeheartedly recommend
[54:13] that it remain there. So while you're
[54:15] only seeing um the assistance of city
[54:18] engineer remaining here, you know that
[54:20] position would most likely be put into
[54:23] engineering office and they would work
[54:26] with me. So that would be an extra body
[54:28] as well. Um and like I said in my
[54:30] narrative talks about we have a setup
[54:32] now for seven seven people. Um this
[54:35] would full this would budget the office
[54:37] at six whereas right now I have four
[54:40] full-time. So you know while it's great
[54:42] to say it would be nice to have a seven
[54:44] full staff. I mean having two more
[54:47] people focused uh on engineering. I mean
[54:50] that's that would be huge for the
[54:52] department. So I don't want to uh go too
[54:54] much outside that. If we can fill in the
[54:56] MS4 officer with department of storm
[54:58] water and then uh find a replacement for
[55:00] Mr. Afall, I think that will um give us
[55:03] a lot of uh a lot of help and
[55:06] redundancy. The the hard part though to
[55:08] your point is, you know, if I'm not here
[55:12] that that kind of uh dependency on me as
[55:17] the engineer. Um, and I don't know that
[55:20] there's a chance that we could find
[55:22] someone, but I'm not, you know, we've
[55:24] been looking for engineers probably for
[55:25] 13 years. And it's not that we haven't
[55:27] advertised. We advertise quite a bit.
[55:28] It's just hard to to put it in
[55:32] when there's so much competition out
[55:33] there between Friday.
[55:37] So, I'm like I said, I guess it's a
[55:39] longwinded way of saying I'm comfortable
[55:40] with this budget. uh given that the MS4
[55:43] storm water control officers day because
[55:45] that would be someone that would really
[55:47] help me out with a lot of the workload
[55:49] that's coming.
[55:50] >> So Chris, you still you still use a
[55:53] consultant to help you with projects?
[55:55] >> Oh yes. So I have uh I started five
[55:59] years ago I started doing term
[56:01] agreements. Um, so I have a term
[56:03] agreement with most 10 private firms and
[56:06] the term agreements allow us to kind of
[56:10] backfill professional services that we
[56:12] need. So whenever there's something that
[56:14] comes up be an emergency or a project
[56:16] that's under a certain amount, I think
[56:18] about professional services that one of
[56:20] them uh seek mail or MS4. Um and I think
[56:23] that will always be the case because we
[56:26] just don't have uh even myself I don't
[56:28] have the the time expertise to do a wide
[56:31] range of projects that we do in
[56:33] engineering. You know we have on our
[56:35] turn agreements architects, traffic
[56:37] engineers, electrical engineers,
[56:39] mechanical engineers because remember
[56:40] it's not only uh roads we do all the
[56:42] buildings and facilities. So we have a
[56:44] lot of people that we that we rely on
[56:46] that keep everything together. So with
[56:48] these consultants on board and with the
[56:50] staffing that you currently have here at
[56:52] the key level with uh with all the
[56:55] projects that you have currently
[56:57] >> next year will be exceptionally busy
[57:00] year because it'll eventually be the end
[57:04] of a big jump right the money is kind of
[57:08] run out right so those projects are done
[57:10] but next year we're going to have um the
[57:12] DRRi money that all money is being spent
[57:15] next year on some of those projects but
[57:16] That's around $6 million in BRRI and
[57:19] then they got credit tree which is being bid at the end of the year and
[57:23] that's a $13 million project. So that's
[57:24] bigger than here. Now I am going to have
[57:27] support because those projects do allow
[57:29] me to hire construction inspectors but
[57:32] still a lot. So that this will be a
[57:34] extremely busy year with those projects.
[57:37] We always have the paving project going
[57:38] on and then after that really the
[57:40] largest project after that is going to
[57:42] be Crane Street Bridge. Um and that is
[57:45] just going to be a long that will very
[57:48] inflated but it does have an impact on
[57:50] >> talking about paving I want to commend
[57:52] you publicly for central parkway uh well
[57:56] done and homeowners are really
[57:58] appreciated some complaints that we have
[58:00] to address with you but I think it's
[58:02] minor that myself and uh Patrick but I
[58:06] don't think it's it's a big of a deal
[58:08] but we'll address with you okay
[58:09] >> but I want to thank you for that
[58:11] leadership in bringing that project to
[58:13] where it is successful and that's a So
[58:16] many years of planning back and forth co
[58:20] is there people like that.
[58:23] >> Well, I also have been meaning to email
[58:25] you over the last few days to thank you
[58:27] for Union Street which also was just
[58:29] beautiful. Although I have gotten one
[58:31] complaint that it's hard to stay at 25
[58:34] now.
[58:36] Before you had to avoid all the potholes
[58:38] and now you can just, you know, zoom up
[58:40] Union Street. So that's a good a good
[58:42] problem to have. But it's I I've been
[58:44] meaning to to thank you and write to you
[58:46] over the last few days and I just
[58:47] >> it's can discuss with it has to do with
[58:50] the island
[58:51] >> what happened the stone and the turf.
[58:55] >> Yeah they can
[58:58] something that they can be addressed.
[59:00] >> Yeah we're going to be we're going to be
[59:01] addressing now that it's turf season.
[59:03] We're also um we kind of were waiting if
[59:06] you notice the um old light poles are
[59:09] still in place. Yeah,
[59:10] >> National Grid has to remove those
[59:12] themselves. So, we just I literally have
[59:14] it in my desk yesterday, uh, an
[59:16] agreement from National Grid. They're
[59:18] going to come and remove those. They're
[59:19] going to have to remove the poles and
[59:21] the foundations. And then, yeah, we when
[59:23] that project ended, it was in the the
[59:26] middle of the biggest heat wave that you
[59:28] had.
[59:28] >> So, planning the grass, all you had to
[59:30] establish.
[59:32] So, we are going to have to go back
[59:34] through and and do that. Now's a good
[59:35] time. We're doing the ground part. But
[59:38] now at the time it was
[59:39] >> I think we preemptive because we did
[59:40] full but you're not going to leave like
[59:42] that.
[59:42] >> No we did because we have known you over
[59:46] the years to not do things like that. So
[59:48] we did tell we did make that very clear
[59:50] to them that you are more than likely
[59:51] coming back
[59:55] » and then we did mention about the
[59:56] international
[59:57] >> and the lights came on.
[59:59] >> Yeah.
[59:59] Absolutely.
[1:00:02] Actually, I'm just going to also say in
[1:00:04] looking over um the purchase orders uh
[1:00:09] summary, well, detail actually that we received I think today, maybe
[1:00:14] yesterday, I can't remember. Um the I
[1:00:17] was noticing just how many different
[1:00:19] firms you do have to interact with
[1:00:22] because of the various consultants. So,
[1:00:24] you know, I can imagine that that's
[1:00:26] complex also. So, I think again to add
[1:00:28] to what Mr. Mutter and saying it's great
[1:00:30] that you have so you know you have very
[1:00:32] strong relationships with these various
[1:00:35] >> that was that was the point of the sheet
[1:00:38] it was a sheet that I included in the
[1:00:39] package just to
[1:00:41] show the amount of internally externally
[1:00:45] that that uh city department of
[1:00:48] engineering lead on work with someone
[1:00:52] that's that's
[1:00:54] right residents you know residents there
[1:00:57] 6,000 of them And then we got this is
[1:01:00] just a current snapshot of food cuz it
[1:01:02] does rotate. But um yeah, without the
[1:01:04] consultants and contractors, we know
[1:01:06] that we couldn't we couldn't do it. And
[1:01:09] I also have Steve Bruce back to help
[1:01:11] hard times. See, you know, 30 plus years
[1:01:14] experience with the city.
[1:01:15] >> Great.
[1:01:17] >> Go ahead.
[1:01:18] >> Thank you. Um Mr. When does the paving
[1:01:20] schedule come out by 2026?
[1:01:23] I'm anticipating doing some more roads
[1:01:25] off a Union Street.
[1:01:26] >> We're working on the paving schedule
[1:01:27] now. Yeah.
[1:01:28] >> Um I don't have it I don't have it
[1:01:31] developed now. Usually we don't bother
[1:01:32] having we don't have it all together
[1:01:34] until February. Okay.
[1:01:35] >> But we had an internal meeting. We're
[1:01:37] starting the book. Um I know one of the
[1:01:38] big roads we're looking at this year is
[1:01:40] Frank Street. Um you know in
[1:01:43] anticipation of doing the bridge over
[1:01:44] but we thought that we did that and I
[1:01:47] can look at some rows off the Union but
[1:01:49] you know we're really always trying to
[1:01:50] focus on main times. That's what I drove
[1:01:54] looking at bridge. I'm like yeah it's
[1:01:56] time for this. You know, we also try to
[1:01:58] partner. If you noticed, uh, we worked
[1:02:00] with the Sent City School District. We
[1:02:01] did the roads around the Steinments
[1:02:02] Academy. We're more than grateful about
[1:02:04] that. We did the roads around Mount
[1:02:06] Pleasant. We're also, um, next year
[1:02:09] the mayor sign off might be a minorly
[1:02:12] different paving where I'm looking to
[1:02:14] try to do some of my larger nuisance
[1:02:18] projects. So, um, we have some areas
[1:02:21] like, um, in front of, uh, by Mount
[1:02:25] Pleasant and tennis courts, there's an
[1:02:27] area there where we have a triangle.
[1:02:28] We're looking at redoing that. We've had
[1:02:30] some accidents, uh, in that area, and
[1:02:33] we're looking to reconfigure the ropes
[1:02:34] there. We also have some areas that are
[1:02:36] concrete roads, specifically Michigan
[1:02:38] Avenue and Almont Avenue by 890. It's uh
[1:02:42] concrete roads that are in rough shape,
[1:02:44] you know, and uh looking to do um Gulf
[1:02:47] Road, add an official turn lane at the
[1:02:50] cross town right now. It's kind of one
[1:02:51] and a half lanes. It's a little little
[1:02:53] tricky there. We have a plan for that.
[1:02:55] Also going across and uh cleaning up the
[1:02:58] entrance to the golf course. Um and then
[1:03:00] we're working with uh you know, Mike
[1:03:01] Sesnney on a bunch of areas. The big
[1:03:03] thing that we also are trying to do when
[1:03:05] we have our paving program is eliminate
[1:03:07] areas of icing. So we have some lowline
[1:03:10] areas. We have an area in Woodan right
[1:03:12] now that we're working with connecting
[1:03:13] municipal housing on Mville with roadis
[1:03:16] because it's low. We're looking to do a
[1:03:18] project there to raise the road because
[1:03:20] the less uh icing that we have on the
[1:03:23] road, the less work for our DPW crews
[1:03:25] because it is a specific focus where
[1:03:27] they have to birth dispatch ice
[1:03:30] locations. Um, another one we just are
[1:03:32] doing now is on rugby bowl plot. You see
[1:03:35] a little corner work we're doing there
[1:03:37] that ended up being some icing and some
[1:03:39] flooding areas that we have there. But
[1:03:41] we're trying to pick away at it. But I
[1:03:43] will have a an idea more towards
[1:03:46] January. Right now we're just wrapping
[1:03:48] up talking about
[1:03:50] normal part to the tennis court. That
[1:03:54] section was the others were paid but
[1:03:56] that section was um not paid. Is there a
[1:03:59] reason why that part turned into tennis
[1:04:02] court here?
[1:04:03] >> That's the area I'm talking about. So,
[1:04:05] >> so we stopped while we're designing that
[1:04:08] entire area with the triangle is going
[1:04:11] to be re reconstructed
[1:04:13] >> from our turn all the way up to
[1:04:15] >> Right. Correct. All from there up to not
[1:04:18] right up to the exit ramp but up ways.
[1:04:21] If if you were not if there's a pet
[1:04:24] basin that's in disrepair and there's a
[1:04:26] very awkward triangular island um that's
[1:04:29] not the right side. So we're going to try to clean up that.
[1:04:31] >> You're talking about the cat basement in
[1:04:33] that circle right by Pennsylvania
[1:04:36] >> Skyler.
[1:04:38] Yeah, that area right there.
[1:04:40] >> Thank you. Y
[1:04:42] >> um so I do want
[1:04:43] >> No, you
[1:04:45] >> um I do see that traffic counting was
[1:04:47] cut from your budget.
[1:04:49] >> Yes.
[1:04:50] >> Okay. So, what what are we doing to
[1:04:52] address these stop signs and these
[1:04:53] issues with residents in the city? How
[1:04:56] would you think when we go with that? Do
[1:04:58] we have any money in the budget next
[1:04:59] year?
[1:05:00] >> That's what I was That's why I made a
[1:05:02] note of it. is that I don't specifically
[1:05:05] have the money in things budget for. Um,
[1:05:08] and I look what I, you know, I I uh what
[1:05:12] I'm trying to do is itemize the budget a
[1:05:15] little bit so that it kind of takes some
[1:05:17] of the nuance and pressure off of
[1:05:19] everything. It's that, you know, um, I
[1:05:22] looked at the city of Alby's budget.
[1:05:24] is similar to
[1:05:26] ours, but like I say, they spell out
[1:05:27] everything. So when we get CHIPS money,
[1:05:29] we paid for Chips money. same we uh you
[1:05:32] know we separated chips and CDBG trying
[1:05:34] to focus. So um so the idea behind that
[1:05:39] was that we would put x amount of
[1:05:42] dollars into what Alman would call speed
[1:05:46] mitigation traffic mitigation and they
[1:05:48] dedicated uh million to $2 million a
[1:05:51] year to it and that's how they put in
[1:05:53] their their traffic humps and speed and
[1:05:55] all those things. They use that funding
[1:05:57] not the chips funding and they actually
[1:05:58] had a line called traffic. So I kind of
[1:06:00] copied that and put the amounts in. But
[1:06:03] you know given the situation that we
[1:06:04] have you know fiscally was you know
[1:06:07] those were some of the first things that
[1:06:08] we looked at to say we haven't done this
[1:06:10] in the past now really the best time to
[1:06:12] start. Um it's not to say that we can't
[1:06:15] put in stop signs and do some work with
[1:06:17] chips money is possible. It's just the
[1:06:20] idea that
[1:06:22] the budget to what we would like to do
[1:06:25] and not budget in this shop manner of
[1:06:28] we're going to tell the city engineer
[1:06:30] what we think and he's going to have to
[1:06:31] figure out how to pay for it. You know,
[1:06:33] it's that if the city would like to see
[1:06:37] the creation and the installation of
[1:06:38] speed humps, then we have to put
[1:06:42] something in the budget similar what we
[1:06:43] did with the sidewalks that says is that
[1:06:45] we believe that we need to do this. will
[1:06:46] put in x amount of dollars for me to do
[1:06:49] that and if it's not in the budget so that I'm going to continue to
[1:06:54] do the base work
[1:06:56] >> and and I've appreciated and trusted
[1:06:58] your response Mr.
[1:07:00] on and all the work we do. It's got to
[1:07:02] be overwhelming for me on a daily basis,
[1:07:05] but thank you for it too. Um, so I know
[1:07:07] I've been working for years, some of us
[1:07:09] have on Kingsville and Rosby Road and um
[1:07:12] places like that. So we just want to
[1:07:14] make sure that that's you know
[1:07:17] that fact moving forward that that's
[1:07:20] something that we really want to propose
[1:07:22] for coming.
[1:07:25] >> So
[1:07:27] Mr.
[1:07:28] U actually
[1:07:31] Um, I hear everything all the
[1:07:34] conversation just took place and I'm
[1:07:37] increasingly worried that Mr. Wallen is
[1:07:41] the sole engineer functioning with all
[1:07:44] this knowledge and information at the
[1:07:46] city.
[1:07:47] There's nothing to stop him from
[1:07:49] choosing tomorrow to transition to
[1:07:51] another municipality or work workforce.
[1:07:53] We've seen that happen. Um, and
[1:07:58] in his absence,
[1:08:00] how does the city function where a lot
[1:08:02] of the projects and I appreciate our
[1:08:03] conversations, they require that
[1:08:05] historical context to understand how to
[1:08:07] mitigate some unforeseen issues that you
[1:08:09] just wouldn't know if you weren't here 5
[1:08:11] years ago. And that's why I appreciate
[1:08:13] the two legit knowledge of Mr.
[1:08:15] supportive field just calling those out
[1:08:18] because having a source reference
[1:08:19] knowledge is important to understand
[1:08:21] that we don't repeat some lessons
[1:08:23] learned that just aren't captured with
[1:08:26] um newer individuals at the table. Um
[1:08:29] but for the amount of time that I've
[1:08:32] been on the council, we just continue to
[1:08:33] hear how it's difficult to provide a
[1:08:36] support or a secession. Um if you
[1:08:40] wouldn't mind. Um but sincerely it needs
[1:08:42] to be a hyperfocus
[1:08:44] uh because to me a number of the
[1:08:46] projects that were just identified at
[1:08:48] the table those would fall into the work
[1:08:49] task in excess of the core operations.
[1:08:52] Um we talk about mental health in the
[1:08:55] workplace. I the thought of you being so
[1:08:59] cautious the time you take away from
[1:09:01] your job because of how it will halt for
[1:09:04] how it will halt operations at the city.
[1:09:07] I would imagine that is a component of
[1:09:09] your consideration. And I hope that at
[1:09:10] this stage in your career, you
[1:09:11] understand you have to step away at
[1:09:13] times. Um, but again, with respect to
[1:09:17] engineering, you just keep asking for
[1:09:18] more and more and more and more. And
[1:09:20] it's with good good measures like safety
[1:09:22] considerations, paving schedules,
[1:09:24] they're things that matter to the
[1:09:25] community. Um, but even with the fee for
[1:09:27] service line, I shadowed your department
[1:09:29] for a brief moment and I felt like I was
[1:09:31] taking away your time. Um, but even for
[1:09:33] the projects that you're not managing
[1:09:35] directly, you're indirectly managing
[1:09:37] them because a member from your office
[1:09:39] has to sign off phone at the end of the
[1:09:41] day. Um, so I would even say that that's
[1:09:43] double the work. Um so although we can
[1:09:47] align the budget, there needs to be an
[1:09:50] emphasis from within city hall because
[1:09:52] again that is a big shortfall and I do
[1:09:55] not want to see us continue down this
[1:09:56] path of having individuals with uh so
[1:09:59] many different varying responsibilities
[1:10:01] that sometimes exceed their immediate
[1:10:03] role set and as we replace them we now
[1:10:06] have to decouple all these things and
[1:10:08] it's more difficult. Um, so I see this
[1:10:10] is as a a crossroad for us and I hope
[1:10:14] that we can address this move forward
[1:10:15] and I hate the word hope because we have
[1:10:17] to figure it out eventually, but to me
[1:10:19] it doesn't seem like we are. Um, so I
[1:10:22] can thank you and we can all thank you
[1:10:24] for what you do. Um, but until we
[1:10:25] provide you some supports, it this is a
[1:10:28] ticking timeline and I am one of a lot
[1:10:32] of members in our community that have
[1:10:33] moved back with the hopes of putting
[1:10:36] some supports or with the hopes that
[1:10:38] this will still be here and I don't want
[1:10:40] to see your good efforts fall by the
[1:10:42] wayside because of our poor plan.
[1:10:48] » Well said that as well.
[1:10:51] >> Yes,
[1:10:52] >> you're not going anywhere.
[1:10:55] But yes, you need you need support staff
[1:10:57] to help you out.
[1:10:59] >> Agreed.
[1:10:59] >> What we are trying to do in the
[1:11:01] department having another IPS's help is
[1:11:04] we are trying to utilize
[1:11:07] technology and and organizationally
[1:11:09] we're trying to in case anybody were to
[1:11:11] walk in there. It is, you know, Steve
[1:11:13] spend six months organizing files and
[1:11:15] scanning and working with it just to try
[1:11:17] to make it um so that if someone were to
[1:11:19] come in, they would not be just
[1:11:21] inheriting, you know, I inherited a desk
[1:11:23] with a lot of paper on it. You know,
[1:11:24] we're trying to track things
[1:11:25] differently. And I do think it helps
[1:11:27] when you have things um more itemized
[1:11:30] like what we're talking about. That way
[1:11:32] you can just see these are at hand. Um,
[1:11:35] and like I I really do think that with
[1:11:37] the end of the ARPA and the DR, which I
[1:11:40] hope I think that might have been a lot
[1:11:41] of funding, you know, we had a lot of
[1:11:43] projects in a very short amount of time
[1:11:45] and we didn't, you know, increase staff
[1:11:47] to handle it. It was just a lot going
[1:11:48] on.
[1:11:49] >> Um, I I think maybe we'll get back to
[1:11:51] some kind of normality, but I appreciate
[1:11:54] it. I mean, we would I would like to
[1:11:56] have one here, but the issue is I just
[1:11:58] don't want to sit here and say that, you
[1:12:00] know, 13 years without having another PE
[1:12:02] that in this fiscal budget that this is
[1:12:05] the year that we really need a PE and
[1:12:08] that if I walk away that the city's
[1:12:10] going to be doomed. You know, the city's
[1:12:11] been here for a very long time and, you
[1:12:13] know, everybody's managed to figure it
[1:12:15] out without me and without, you know,
[1:12:17] it'll keep going on. You know, it's
[1:12:19] government. It's it's it'll just be a
[1:12:22] little bit more inefficient, I guess.
[1:12:27] I'm talking about paving residential
[1:12:29] paving removed from your your office.
[1:12:32] Sorry, under your control. It's now
[1:12:34] under residential
[1:12:38] inspection that is completely under
[1:12:40] code. Correct. So, um several years ago,
[1:12:44] um what we decid what we we decided for
[1:12:45] efficiencies was that you know anything
[1:12:49] that affected a private parcel. So if it
[1:12:52] was on a private property then that work
[1:12:54] would just go to codes because you know
[1:12:56] technically engineering different you
[1:12:58] know I I'm usually in my staff are in
[1:13:00] the rightway we don't have badges we
[1:13:01] don't have authority to go on the
[1:13:02] private property technically I'm sure
[1:13:04] there's some something in there that
[1:13:06] says I could but we like we changed the
[1:13:08] structure years ago to be that if a
[1:13:11] permit had to do with anything that was
[1:13:13] on a private property such as you're
[1:13:16] paving your driveway but uh I had a
[1:13:19] review in the past from municip If it's
[1:13:22] a curve cut, if sidewalks, anything in
[1:13:24] the right that the check and I do get
[1:13:26] that call from code officers that say
[1:13:28] it's a new curb cut, does this curb cut
[1:13:30] mean city standard? And then I will
[1:13:32] review it and check. But if it's just
[1:13:34] someone wants to retake the driveway, I
[1:13:36] don't I don't have to
[1:13:39] that has been done.
[1:13:41] >> Well, you're completely out of
[1:13:45] » You're completely out. Yeah, that I mean
[1:13:47] and that's what I get again is that like
[1:13:49] the uh the core operations part of it,
[1:13:51] you know, if you were if you were to
[1:13:53] look back these for years, you know,
[1:13:55] where it says permanent issuance
[1:13:57] inspection, there used to be six there.
[1:14:00] >> Sidewalk, painting, all that. Anything
[1:14:02] that had to do with a residential or
[1:14:04] commercial property, those were
[1:14:06] transition to codes. And I now have
[1:14:08] revocables, which are things in the
[1:14:10] right way, uh and the small warehouse
[1:14:12] facilities, which are also things in
[1:14:14] right away. So I handle anything that's
[1:14:16] in the city's right.
[1:14:19] » Also just back to the budget cut. Sorry.
[1:14:22] When you say cut from budget, is it
[1:14:24] because that something you removed based
[1:14:25] on needing to cut that amount or was
[1:14:28] that something that you asked for and it
[1:14:30] was removed?
[1:14:31] >> You talking about the position? Um
[1:14:33] actually specifically talking about um
[1:14:36] the MSN MS4 requirements and traffic
[1:14:40] and well like I said it was the MS4
[1:14:44] requirement was a something that I spoke
[1:14:46] with mayor finance about uh regarding
[1:14:48] copying the Ithaca way of doing things
[1:14:51] and requires a a new fee and creation of
[1:14:54] it but there's a lot of complication to
[1:14:55] that. So it's something I'm going to
[1:14:56] continue to work on with Derek um
[1:14:58] because it is a it is a large be a large
[1:15:01] implementation. So we decide not to go
[1:15:03] forward. Traffic timing like I said in
[1:15:05] the parking study those were singular
[1:15:07] capital lines. They were not in the
[1:15:08] operating budget. They could go in the
[1:15:09] operating budget but those were things
[1:15:11] that were in the capital. But once again
[1:15:13] is that this is a tight budget. So they
[1:15:17] were they were wanted to have them in
[1:15:19] there to show that we talked about these
[1:15:21] things. I added the budget but you know
[1:15:23] we had to have some discussions when we
[1:15:25] get to our capital about things that are
[1:15:27] you know more important than that. And
[1:15:29] there may be some ways around it, but
[1:15:31] also it would be great if you know I
[1:15:34] guess we didn't, you know, off the focus
[1:15:36] of trying to do so much, you know, and
[1:15:38] that's that's the thing is that in the
[1:15:40] city the Craig Street project and
[1:15:43] putting four stop signs up sometimes
[1:15:45] take just as much time. Know there's a
[1:15:46] lot of conversations that need to happen
[1:15:48] with both of those projects. So there are time cons,
[1:15:54] you know, this is this is the city's
[1:15:55] budget. It's not my budget.
[1:15:58] back.
[1:16:01] >> Are there any other questions?
[1:16:04] Okay, seeing none,
[1:16:08] I think a couple other departments uh
[1:16:10] except for adult.
[1:16:11] >> Yeah, we can go through all the lines.
[1:16:13] I'll just let you know 14 is the
[1:16:14] administrative APWA news. Uh county
[1:16:18] split news that is the 402 lines fees
[1:16:21] for services. That is what I do use to
[1:16:23] pay for consultants when it comes time
[1:16:25] for I need third party services. Um so
[1:16:29] that line I would appreciate remaining.
[1:16:30] You can see the one year was very high.
[1:16:32] We got a we had to do some transfers but
[1:16:34] then what we did is that wasn't new with
[1:16:36] staff. We moved some staff money to
[1:16:38] there and that's what we did but I'm
[1:16:40] comfortable with that number. And then
[1:16:41] like I said the rest of it is is small.
[1:16:44] It's uh cell phones uh training and then
[1:16:46] once again
[1:16:56] section
[1:16:59] all yours capital
[1:17:03] your engineering department
[1:17:08] buildings and come back and fill up the
[1:17:12] lab and
[1:17:28] So page 91
[1:17:34] bottom section
[1:17:37] and the next page. Mhm.
[1:17:42] Just one sure
[1:17:46] the first one electric vehicle charging
[1:17:49] stations. What we're looking to do is
[1:17:51] currently we have five charge point
[1:17:54] charging stations. They were installed
[1:17:56] over 5 years ago. Um we've been having
[1:17:59] some issues with the annual maintenance
[1:18:01] fees on them and some of the
[1:18:03] repairability. um our facilities
[1:18:05] department um asked that uh we
[1:18:08] transition those to link well the
[1:18:10] stations that we've been putting in
[1:18:12] lately. Um we have some right in back
[1:18:14] city hall. We're also putting some in at
[1:18:16] the golf course. There's two and some
[1:18:18] other areas in the city. We have both
[1:18:20] stations going in. So this is to replace
[1:18:22] the existing stations and put in a
[1:18:24] couple new stations for electric vehicle
[1:18:27] charging. The next fire station
[1:18:30] improvements. So that is I had three
[1:18:33] improvements. So we did a lot of work to
[1:18:36] fire station one replace their APA
[1:18:39] heating system
[1:18:41] really successful project. They also had
[1:18:43] a uh whole house generator but in doing
[1:18:46] that what we have now is they have a
[1:18:48] console on the front of their building.
[1:18:51] Um the console used to be where dispatch
[1:18:53] was now we moved to a central dispatch
[1:18:54] but that console remains. It is a very
[1:18:57] large hardwired console. uh and it's
[1:19:00] taking up space. It looks like something
[1:19:03] from NASA via Houston. We have a
[1:19:06] problem. I mean, it is an old
[1:19:09] and so we have uh some folks to remove
[1:19:11] that and refurbish that room so they can
[1:19:13] turn it into uh more administrative
[1:19:15] spaces. Uh we're also looking at doing
[1:19:18] the roof uh at station two and at
[1:19:21] station 4. So that is fire station
[1:19:25] improvements, parking kiosks. Um, I know
[1:19:29] as we're transitioning to Lazo, but we
[1:19:31] have a lot of outdated kiosks around the
[1:19:35] world. We doing even though we did
[1:19:36] upgrade some, we have a lot of uh kiosks
[1:19:39] that really need to be upgraded with the
[1:19:40] new displays. So, this is to buy, I
[1:19:43] believe, 10 new kiosks and locate them
[1:19:45] in our busier area, do a whole
[1:19:47] reshuffleling of a kiosk working with
[1:19:50] the uh PD department. Um, paving that is
[1:19:53] our general paving fund. That is in
[1:19:55] addition to chips. um that is for work
[1:19:58] that is not chips eligible. It is really
[1:20:01] useful to have uh funds dedicated to
[1:20:03] paving for nonchips eligible work
[1:20:06] because chips does have requirements.
[1:20:08] The next one um replacement of green
[1:20:11] houses at Central Park. Um we have two
[1:20:14] green houses at Central Park that are
[1:20:16] dating back to 1950s. They are our last
[1:20:18] green houses with antlated controls.
[1:20:21] We've installed uh a new teaching
[1:20:23] greenhouse with a grant that we got from
[1:20:25] Brookley for set. That greenhouse is a
[1:20:28] polycarbonate greenhouse. It is
[1:20:30] phenomenal. Their production has doubled
[1:20:32] using the greenhouse
[1:20:34] >> and um instead of investing money into
[1:20:38] those old green houses and I were like
[1:20:41] done. So we're looking at uh new two new
[1:20:45] green houses that are polycarbonate that
[1:20:47] will use their automation system. Um the
[1:20:50] green houses will be almost identical
[1:20:52] size but more configured for production
[1:20:54] just longer traditional green houses. Um
[1:20:58] so that's one of them and then signage
[1:21:00] which is central park signage. So we've
[1:21:04] been working for well over two years on
[1:21:06] uh installation of signage wayfinding
[1:21:09] signage in Central Park and um I spoke
[1:21:12] with Derek about it. I hope you're using
[1:21:14] general paving funds because we do
[1:21:16] signage with general paving. However,
[1:21:19] since we're not paving all the roads
[1:21:21] around the park because we've had them
[1:21:23] come, it's uh safer to council just to do it this way. These are, you know,
[1:21:29] not street signs. These are decorative
[1:21:31] signs similar that you would see in a in
[1:21:33] a state park that would be placed at the
[1:21:35] main entrances around the park. Um it's
[1:21:38] good timing for it because now
[1:21:39] everything's kind of set where it is. Um
[1:21:42] we know where everything's going to be.
[1:21:44] So, that is uh the next one. So those
[1:21:47] were the uh the replacements for
[1:21:52] >> So we do have some signage around
[1:21:54] Central Park replace those
[1:21:58] >> any signs that was like rose garden
[1:21:59] signage that's going to remain that were
[1:22:01] privately funded that rose garden
[1:22:02] signage. This is more weight finding.
[1:22:04] It's actually going to be outside around
[1:22:06] the perimeter of the park of not so much
[1:22:09] on the interior to make sure that people
[1:22:10] know where the pool is, where to park um
[1:22:13] where you know where to park for a
[1:22:15] diamond and b diamond connect the
[1:22:17] educational environmental community. We
[1:22:18] want to make sure people know where that
[1:22:20] is. So we have a plan um and we're ready
[1:22:23] to go. It's just that we need the
[1:22:24] funding.
[1:22:28] » Okay. Something happened in the last
[1:22:30] year to year before. We did some work
[1:22:32] for the greenhouse with a bathroom or
[1:22:34] something like that.
[1:22:36] >> We did install a bathroom. Yes, we've
[1:22:37] installed a composting bathroom with a
[1:22:39] grant.
[1:22:39] >> Was it last year?
[1:22:40] >> Two years ago.
[1:22:42] >> No, the greenhouse is I mean it really
[1:22:45] is an asset to the city. I encourage
[1:22:47] anyone to go. Um, and if you would like
[1:22:50] to see what that new does, um, it's
[1:22:54] unbelievable what they can do with
[1:22:56] actually climate controlled all
[1:22:57] computerized and to show us some of some
[1:23:00] of the produce that they're making out
[1:23:02] of there and what they can do. I think
[1:23:04] this is going to really increase the
[1:23:05] capacity and, you know, it's not a for
[1:23:07] profit thing. It's something that
[1:23:08] they're providing. Go ahead.
[1:23:12] >> Well, a couple of questions. Well, three
[1:23:15] questions.
[1:23:16] Um, one about the green houses. Would
[1:23:20] what's your estimation of would we be
[1:23:22] able to go another year if we couldn't
[1:23:24] replace the green houses with new green
[1:23:26] houses? So, that's my first question.
[1:23:28] >> I would want to talk with Pam and Janet
[1:23:31] about it just because they have put off
[1:23:33] certain things with updating because of
[1:23:35] it. Um, you know, the heating systems
[1:23:37] are antiquated. They have old oil. Um,
[1:23:40] we're really trying to get away from
[1:23:41] oil, uh, from everything. you know, they
[1:23:44] have tanks in the ground.
[1:23:46] >> Um, and then, you know, some of the
[1:23:47] glass is broken. That's the issue is a
[1:23:49] glass greenhouse.
[1:23:50] >> So, um, I would I would I would if could
[1:23:54] recommend that we we try to we try to
[1:23:56] move forward with it just because it is
[1:23:58] >> there's there's electrical things going
[1:24:00] on there. I mean, if you were to look at
[1:24:02] it, it's pretty pretty bad.
[1:24:05] >> Okay. And then in terms of the um the
[1:24:08] signage were did we ever um I feel like
[1:24:12] this in my memory um did we have to have
[1:24:15] a partnership with the county for some
[1:24:17] of those weightbearing signs or is that
[1:24:19] just something I'm imagining
[1:24:23] » you feel like you know
[1:24:28] >> so I worked with Steve Feny and another
[1:24:30] grant which was the veil central park
[1:24:33] connector
[1:24:33] >> and that was a signage project that we
[1:24:36] completed a couple years ago.
[1:24:37] >> Okay. So, that is what I'm thinking.
[1:24:39] >> Yeah. And that is in place. Uh and that
[1:24:41] we utilize the new capital district
[1:24:42] trail logos. We were one of the first
[1:24:44] municipalities to do it. Um which is
[1:24:47] great. And if anybody looks outside the
[1:24:49] window to see our continuation project
[1:24:51] that's going on, which is, you know,
[1:24:52] we're getting some really good reviews
[1:24:53] of that Franklin Street cycle track. Uh
[1:24:56] while it's not done, you can really see
[1:24:59] it because the asphalt's been cut out
[1:25:00] and the curb going in. And that's the
[1:25:02] continuation of that path all the way
[1:25:04] from there. And that's going to be a
[1:25:06] federal project that we're working on
[1:25:07] next year as well, which is the
[1:25:09] continuation of that path from the
[1:25:11] environmental education center at the
[1:25:13] state so that someone on a bicycle could
[1:25:15] have a dedicated path all the way from
[1:25:17] state fair to city hall. So effectively,
[1:25:21] you could ride the bike on a dedicated
[1:25:22] path from State Street to the farm,
[1:25:25] >> which is great. in our next phase to try
[1:25:27] to get you from here to Union Street so
[1:25:30] that we could connect you to the Mohawk
[1:25:32] uh Mohawk and Trail, which would be
[1:25:35] huge. So, only only a couple blocks to
[1:25:37] go until we're done with that.
[1:25:39] >> Okay. And my last thing was just about
[1:25:41] um lighting at parks. Um if we I thought
[1:25:45] for some reason that we had talked about
[1:25:47] that previously when we had the parks
[1:25:49] director here, but I'm not seeing it in
[1:25:51] my notes. that experiment.
[1:25:53] >> I mean, do we have enough lighting, do
[1:25:55] you think, in terms of some of the the
[1:25:57] roadways around the pool
[1:26:03] » place? I don't know.
[1:26:04] >> I'm wondering on the road in from um you
[1:26:07] know, the Rose Garden
[1:26:09] >> up into like around Music Haven, is
[1:26:11] there any plan? Are there any plans to
[1:26:13] >> No, there
[1:26:15] >> we can. I am. So, as everybody probably
[1:26:17] knows, the Central Park tennis court
[1:26:19] project is I'm living right now. When
[1:26:21] that is completed, um, we are looking to
[1:26:24] redo Arthur chairs road
[1:26:27] one way.
[1:26:28] >> I can look into it. That would be
[1:26:29] something that would be eligible to be
[1:26:31] put in lighting on Arthur chairs, but I
[1:26:33] haven't looked at it as a whole park.
[1:26:38] >> I It's kind of the first I've heard
[1:26:40] about it.
[1:26:40] >> Okay. Thanks.
[1:26:42] >> Go ahead, please.
[1:26:44] >> Um, so back to the electric vehicle
[1:26:46] charging stations. And you talked about
[1:26:48] you mentioned the couple um in the golf
[1:26:53] at the golf course.
[1:26:54] >> Yes.
[1:26:55] >> Um so as I recall the police department
[1:26:59] recently got a grant for that, right? So
[1:27:01] is this in addition to what the money
[1:27:03] they got? Is the money they got?
[1:27:06] >> This is in addition. So that those
[1:27:07] projects are already happening. We have
[1:27:10] uh Erie Boulevard, the Erie Boulevard,
[1:27:14] the golf course, Lafayette by the police
[1:27:16] station, and I believe there's one other
[1:27:18] location that they're doing right now.
[1:27:21] >> Foster Avenue.
[1:27:22] That's correct. Yep.
[1:27:24] Foster Avenue by the
[1:27:25] >> So, how many you asking? I mean, is this
[1:27:27] for here?
[1:27:28] >> This is four. Let me consult my giant
[1:27:31] folder.
[1:27:32] Um I believe it was 10.
[1:27:37] Uh
[1:27:39] 13.
[1:27:40] >> 13.
[1:27:41] >> Yeah, it would this would be good for 13
[1:27:43] uh dual port charging station.
[1:27:46] >> So for I can't remember how much how
[1:27:49] many was it for the police department?
[1:27:51] Just two or was it four?
[1:27:53] >> Well, that's different. Remember the
[1:27:55] police department was getting them under
[1:27:57] a different uh bond.
[1:27:59] >> I understand. Okay. That was getting two
[1:28:01] with two and two with two. So it's four vehicles. That's usually how we do
[1:28:07] it at the bottom. at the golf course, at
[1:28:10] the police station, at Foster Avenue,
[1:28:12] and on Boulevard.
[1:28:13] >> Right. I just want to make sure at the
[1:28:15] golf course we're getting four
[1:28:17] essentially.
[1:28:17] >> Yes, four.
[1:28:19] >> Yeah, that was a really actually pretty
[1:28:21] simple project with those location at
[1:28:22] the time. So, that's good. And it should
[1:28:24] be um almost very we just call them.
[1:28:30] >> And so, are how many are there going to
[1:28:33] be there now?
[1:28:34] >> Of course. No. So, so it would be a
[1:28:37] total of 14 with the 10 is 10 and
[1:28:39] therefore
[1:28:44] it's not 10, it's 13.
[1:28:46] >> Oh, 13.
[1:28:47] >> 13 plus the four. So, 77.
[1:28:51] >> Yes.
[1:28:51] >> And then double that, you have 34 plugs.
[1:28:58] » Go ahead.
[1:28:59] >> Thank you. I have a few questions. and
[1:29:01] everything that you do in your office as
[1:29:03] far as grants. Are there a lot out
[1:29:06] there? Is there someone that um
[1:29:07] particular focuses on grants that might
[1:29:10] be out there for
[1:29:12] charging stations? Um that's my first
[1:29:15] question.
[1:29:16] >> Um well, I believe some of the money
[1:29:18] that we got originally was from uh
[1:29:20] grants
[1:29:22] with the question mark, so we might do
[1:29:24] that. Okay. Um
[1:29:28] next question. As far as the green
[1:29:30] houses, have have you thought of like
[1:29:32] the the um freight farm um like uh the
[1:29:36] city mission has um where they grow
[1:29:39] things hydroponically
[1:29:41] as a alternative to something in the
[1:29:43] greenhouse.
[1:29:45] >> Have you have you been in there or seen
[1:29:46] that
[1:29:47] >> everything grows kind of like
[1:29:48] hydroponically on walls with lights and
[1:29:51] things?
[1:29:52] >> I don't know. Maybe something to look at
[1:29:54] >> as far as as what he put in there. um
[1:29:57] and enough I the I had to pass the
[1:30:01] greenhouse participants not to come just
[1:30:03] because I said they know let's just have
[1:30:05] a normal budget meeting but if if there
[1:30:07] was ever any information they might be
[1:30:10] listening and coming right now
[1:30:12] they're very interested in in promoting
[1:30:14] what they do with the greenhouse so I
[1:30:16] I'm not familiar with the hydroponic I
[1:30:18] do know that the new green houses have
[1:30:22] racks that they do hang things from um
[1:30:24] compared to the old one but that we've
[1:30:28] worked on doing some of the capital
[1:30:32] support the actual plants and other
[1:30:34] things are run by cooperative extension.
[1:30:40] » Um the greenhouse volunteers are looking
[1:30:43] please send us your own recommendation.
[1:30:47] >> We will look at it
[1:30:48] >> the new parking kioses. So I mean going
[1:30:52] with VA and the new system that we're
[1:30:54] going to go through there's nothing
[1:30:56] through them that they can give us some
[1:30:57] money for something to replace some of
[1:30:59] these in
[1:31:01] >> we can ask we
[1:31:04] >> no but a fair point would be is uh I
[1:31:08] don't know if we have signed any kind of
[1:31:09] agreement with goat you know Metroplex
[1:31:12] has gone forward with that I think
[1:31:14] they've actually started already
[1:31:15] changing their their branding but right
[1:31:18] now we have we do not have any type of
[1:31:21] agreement with them that I'm aware of or
[1:31:23] transitioning over to that. So, it's
[1:31:24] something that uh I'll have to follow up
[1:31:26] on. Um
[1:31:28] but that could be part of that
[1:31:30] conversation if they want to contribute
[1:31:32] anything to this to that point.
[1:31:34] >> And another thing is the um I know um
[1:31:36] Central Park is it's considered like a
[1:31:38] New York State Park. There's a lot of
[1:31:40] funding that might happen for there for
[1:31:42] signage.
[1:31:45] » No, a state park. not a state park but
[1:31:48] under New York state parks. Um, have we
[1:31:51] ever looked into anything like that?
[1:31:52] >> I haven't. I can ask but I think our
[1:31:55] consultant would have they do a lot of
[1:31:56] work in state parks and I haven't heard
[1:31:58] anything about a funding opportunity.
[1:32:00] >> Okay.
[1:32:00] >> Um, and the last thing is the lot off of
[1:32:03] Beer Avenue. Um, there's a lot of
[1:32:06] construction, grading, milling going on
[1:32:08] over there. What's what are we going to
[1:32:10] do there outside of a
[1:32:12] >> park?
[1:32:13] >> Right. Is it has it been paved or I
[1:32:15] haven't been by there in quite a while,
[1:32:16] but I know we're looking to
[1:32:19] make a lot of parking there
[1:32:21] >> and and we have.
[1:32:22] >> Yeah. Um
[1:32:23] >> it's open now. There used to be big
[1:32:24] blocks there.
[1:32:25] >> There are blocks, but the blocks are to
[1:32:27] delineate entrance fees. Yes.
[1:32:29] >> Okay. Oh, good. So just the one and then
[1:32:32] um so one of the things that I was
[1:32:35] requested by uh Chris was he asked if we
[1:32:39] could look at
[1:32:41] moving the blocks next year and doing a
[1:32:44] curbed area up front and moved the
[1:32:47] blocks. The blocks are a temporary
[1:32:49] measure to try to delineate where it is.
[1:32:51] and I said that we would work on it um
[1:32:54] possibly then that what we could do is
[1:32:56] make um median areas and then put trees
[1:33:00] in the median areas out front. The
[1:33:02] reason that trees would be difficult
[1:33:04] inside of the parking lot itself is that is uh with all development in the
[1:33:09] city which is a good thing and all the
[1:33:11] utilization of space that is the city's
[1:33:13] primary snow dump and when we do pile
[1:33:16] snow there we use very large
[1:33:19] and um just the trees would would not
[1:33:22] farewell given that what we do there but
[1:33:24] um but so far for everything that we've
[1:33:28] done we made the area put buildings down
[1:33:30] we compacted
[1:33:31] Mike Stron and myself laid out a
[1:33:34] rudimentary parking lot using just uh
[1:33:37] paint in hand and um we had one person
[1:33:40] directing and I I think everything went
[1:33:42] really well for our events. People just
[1:33:43] kind of felt once you set the first
[1:33:45] couple cars up really did work. But I do
[1:33:48] think that softening the entrance with
[1:33:51] some plantings and some curb built up.
[1:33:53] So I'm going to work with Chris on that
[1:33:55] because right now the blocks
[1:33:58] Yeah. There is there a little little
[1:34:01] Thank you.
[1:34:03] >> Go ahead, please.
[1:34:04] >> Actually, this has to So, back to the EB
[1:34:07] starting station. Um, we have a lot
[1:34:09] around city hall. Um, especially this
[1:34:12] question is probably more ground for
[1:34:13] city hall and let me uh what are we
[1:34:17] doing to make sure that someone with a
[1:34:18] gas vehicle doesn't park there?
[1:34:23] >> I think they're all signed to
[1:34:25] >> Yeah, I understand. But,
[1:34:27] >> but they would get ticketed just like
[1:34:30] somebody whose uh year is expired
[1:34:34] parking someone properly
[1:34:36] >> unless it's on the weekend and then
[1:34:38] >> no that would still be ticketed if you
[1:34:40] have a gas vehicle and an electric
[1:34:42] vehicle charging station
[1:34:44] >> but our ticket people don't work on the
[1:34:46] weekends do they
[1:34:47] >> police officers do
[1:34:48] >> oh okay well because I think I um
[1:34:53] was talking about this with somebody
[1:34:54] before that it's happening so I didn't
[1:34:56] know
[1:34:58] uh what the process when someone sees
[1:35:00] it, if they should who they should call.
[1:35:04] >> Um I one of the the things that I have
[1:35:07] been mentally struggling with and
[1:35:09] talking with some people in the MO about
[1:35:11] is um bringing electric vehicle charging
[1:35:14] stations to the city, not the downtown,
[1:35:17] the residents.
[1:35:18] >> Um as you know, not everyone has a
[1:35:20] driveway or garage.
[1:35:23] So, if you're trying to promote electric
[1:35:25] vehicles, but you can't charge an
[1:35:27] electric, that's one of the things that
[1:35:29] everybody's trying to talk about is how do you how would you promote people
[1:35:33] to to use these so you have to put
[1:35:35] electric charging station places that
[1:35:36] are more public or in the neighborhoods.
[1:35:38] So, like I said, we only have we're
[1:35:41] trying to replace, you know, some, but
[1:35:43] there's some extra ones in here that I'm
[1:35:45] looking to try to find some locations
[1:35:46] that are a bit more neighborhood
[1:35:49] oriented so that someone may say, "Hey,
[1:35:51] you know what? I could actually use this
[1:35:52] if I'm in a neighborhood track because
[1:35:54] it is it's challenging. You need to have
[1:35:56] a specific set of circumstances if you
[1:35:58] want to own one or you charge all the
[1:36:00] time at a third party which
[1:36:04] may be feasible but I don't know if I
[1:36:06] want to purchase a vehicle based off of
[1:36:08] that.
[1:36:10] >> Don't is there some way that people can
[1:36:11] have something at their home
[1:36:14] >> for the to charge at their own home?
[1:36:16] >> Yes. to charge that
[1:36:18] >> you can. But that's what I'm getting at
[1:36:19] is usually you wouldn't see out on
[1:36:21] purple.
[1:36:21] >> No,
[1:36:22] >> that's what I'm getting at. And a lot of
[1:36:23] places do not have a driveway or a
[1:36:27] garage or
[1:36:29] >> I a lot of people don't know who
[1:36:31] electric vehicles charge them inside
[1:36:33] their garage.
[1:36:34] >> And if we don't have a garage
[1:36:36] >> or drive makes a little difficult.
[1:36:40] So maybe maybe that's something to think
[1:36:42] about again a partnership with possibly
[1:36:44] the school district because they're
[1:36:46] located in the neighborhoods and then
[1:36:47] like especially we're looking at
[1:36:49] overnight charging then usually
[1:36:51] overnight you know from 5:00 on those
[1:36:54] parking lots aren't usually as much in
[1:36:57] use and I'm sure that especially with
[1:36:59] the governor's push to our electric
[1:37:01] vehicles even the school fleet they um
[1:37:04] like to see it happen like that so maybe
[1:37:06] that's area start I
[1:37:10] That's a good idea. There are lots of
[1:37:15] other
[1:37:18] » Thank you so much.
[1:37:21] No.
[1:37:22] >> So here we can do
[1:37:24] >> let's do
[1:37:31] » here
[1:37:40] 85.
[1:37:56] Thanks.
[1:38:04] » We should just walk you through the
[1:38:05] revenue and
[1:38:08] >> expenditure and then with
[1:38:14] » Yep. the uh golf fund um 34.34%
[1:38:18] from 1.69
[1:38:20] approximately 1.731,000
[1:38:23] increase
[1:38:25] um revenues are pretty standard
[1:38:28] across the board uh will be increased
[1:38:32] that um
[1:38:35] and u Mr. The ball will be up in
[1:38:40] January. Uh that's per usual year. Other
[1:38:44] than that status fun,
[1:38:50] you just want to walk us through
[1:38:51] anything, highlight anything that we
[1:38:52] need to know, what's going on with the
[1:38:54] golf course?
[1:38:57] Um specifically, anything just general?
[1:39:03] Again, I mean, as Jer mentioned, really
[1:39:05] nothing much in the
[1:39:08] adapted revenues really. It's pretty
[1:39:10] much the same. Um, we have seen just
[1:39:15] I mean, the last two years have been
[1:39:16] incredible weather with the obviously
[1:39:19] was a kind of a hiccup to start the
[1:39:21] year. The spring really uh rainy, so we
[1:39:26] were kind of behind uh last year's
[1:39:28] revenues for most of the year. We
[1:39:29] managed to catch up um at the beginning
[1:39:33] of this month and I think we're going to
[1:39:34] start being able to pull away from last
[1:39:36] year's numbers now as a result of that.
[1:39:38] But it took us a while to get there when
[1:39:39] we finally did get past that hurdle. Um
[1:39:43] I would probably say since mid June
[1:39:45] right through to now I mean the
[1:39:48] weather's been incredible and it showed
[1:39:51] um just the amount of people that we've
[1:39:53] been able to bring through there. I
[1:39:55] think golf courses in general rest the
[1:39:57] capital region have really um seen a lot
[1:40:00] of success this year. Well, the last two
[1:40:02] years really but uh it was a nice
[1:40:04] turnaround because it was it it didn't
[1:40:08] look it was kind of bleak in the
[1:40:09] beginning of the year. Sure.
[1:40:14] » Yes.
[1:40:15] So you staffing your your um your
[1:40:20] staffing is showing an increase of food
[1:40:23] position into the 2026 budget. You want
[1:40:25] to highlight the reason?
[1:40:27] >> Yeah, it's just because we're we become
[1:40:30] so busy and we like to just fill a
[1:40:32] couple of areas. Um
[1:40:35] and of course I don't like to have
[1:40:36] burnout with some staff members. So it's
[1:40:39] nice to have some extra people on hand
[1:40:42] to fill certain roles.
[1:40:45] um when we are busier for sure.
[1:40:49] In terms of the number of attendants,
[1:40:51] the fee increase we've had, you know,
[1:40:54] minor fee increase over the last couple
[1:40:55] years,
[1:40:57] >> does that affecting the the numbers, the
[1:41:01] attendance at the golf course in terms
[1:41:04] of the fees in terms of numbers? Are we
[1:41:06] seeing a trend upward trend in terms of
[1:41:08] attendance?
[1:41:11] Um, I think it's just pretty much
[1:41:12] plateaued. You can only put in so many
[1:41:15] rounds a day and I think we we're just
[1:41:19] seeing that number almost maximum every
[1:41:21] year.
[1:41:22] >> I don't I don't really see a decrease
[1:41:24] because of the fees going up at all.
[1:41:28] >> The weather was a dampening factor in
[1:41:31] spring tendency was down. But the
[1:41:33] problem now is max out of tea times. If
[1:41:37] people don't have the ability to
[1:41:39] collect, there sign up, get in there.
[1:41:42] There's still slots on Sunday afternoon
[1:41:45] that are open that tend to be slow and
[1:41:48] maybe a little bit later on Saturday,
[1:41:51] but otherwise you wait in line to play
[1:41:54] golf. It's a great facility and it's in
[1:41:58] tiptop shape.
[1:41:59] >> So, how how is a new improvement working
[1:42:02] out the RP location that you made to
[1:42:06] >> Oh my god. Do you want to talk about
[1:42:07] that? Highlight that.
[1:42:10] So, yeah, the new irrigation system
[1:42:12] install has been I mean didn't come out
[1:42:15] on high, right, Chris? We had some minor
[1:42:17] bumps on the road with the install. Some
[1:42:20] of the heads were sticking, a little bit
[1:42:21] issue with the pump station, but once
[1:42:23] those resolved, I mean,
[1:42:26] >> I've been at that golf course for this
[1:42:27] is my 14th year as head professional.
[1:42:30] Um, even as a kid growing up,
[1:42:34] it's pretty remarkable. I have never
[1:42:37] seen a golf course look in the condition
[1:42:38] that it is right now. I was at the Ryder
[1:42:40] Cup at Beth Paige a few weeks ago
[1:42:44] >> and you look at the shape of the holes
[1:42:46] and you know you can tell when a golf
[1:42:47] course has a high punch. You just just
[1:42:50] by the way it's manicured. It's just as
[1:42:52] simple as that.
[1:42:54] >> You look down the first fairway of our
[1:42:56] golf course and I'm like man it's not
[1:42:58] that much different. I mean, just the
[1:43:00] definition of it,
[1:43:03] just the the plane condition, but that's
[1:43:05] the one area that I hear mostly from
[1:43:09] golfers all over the Capitol region that
[1:43:11] come here. They're like, "This place."
[1:43:14] >> I mean, I think the biggest complaint
[1:43:17] now is the rough is too hard. The grass
[1:43:19] is too long in the rough. But see, the
[1:43:21] issue is that the rough never got the
[1:43:24] watering system to hit those areas. Now,
[1:43:26] it is. It's healthy. So now they're
[1:43:29] discovering it's it's a little more
[1:43:31] difficult in in that respect, but it's
[1:43:33] not because the grass is longer, it's
[1:43:36] healthier.
[1:43:37] >> And that's the one and actually they've
[1:43:39] cut the grass a little bit shorter in
[1:43:40] that regard, but because it's thick and
[1:43:42] healthy. So I mean, you see it in in
[1:43:44] neighborhoods when when a person really
[1:43:47] takes care of their lawn and so they're
[1:43:48] well manicured. You go on there, you see
[1:43:50] how healthy the grass is. That's what
[1:43:52] it's like at our facility. Every square
[1:43:54] inch of it.
[1:43:57] How how is the new vendor the concession
[1:43:59] side working on? Fantastic. Mr. Nick's
[1:44:02] been great. He's um I mean that that's
[1:44:05] another area. He's completely
[1:44:06] transformed. If anybody's been in there,
[1:44:09] you see it's it's u it's a complete 180
[1:44:12] from what it's been. I mean, I June and
[1:44:14] Dave did a very nice job for what they
[1:44:16] had, but he's brought it to a different
[1:44:19] level. It's much more professional. Um
[1:44:22] just the look of the the facility in
[1:44:24] general. It's more accommodating. And
[1:44:26] he's getting people that aren't there to
[1:44:28] play golf. They're just coming there to frequent the place.
[1:44:32] >> It's Yeah. Yeah. We actually did a
[1:44:34] wedding there.
[1:44:36] >> That was a first.
[1:44:38] >> Yeah. There's an event tent down. Yeah.
[1:44:41] There's an event tent down between the
[1:44:42] 9th and 18th green just beside one of
[1:44:45] the practice screens. And you can see it
[1:44:46] coming up 18 and 9. It kind of sits in
[1:44:48] the background. And he uses that for
[1:44:51] special events. So it's more
[1:44:52] accommodating for other things. Um and
[1:44:55] he's util utilizing every inch of that
[1:44:57] space. So he's done a tremendous job
[1:45:00] >> talking about that. A couple years ago
[1:45:02] we had um body typically.
[1:45:06] That's it. So is that that's going to be
[1:45:08] up on his office and it's available for
[1:45:10] people to rent for special event.
[1:45:12] >> Yes.
[1:45:13] >> It's been up.
[1:45:14] >> Yes. I believe he has been.
[1:45:16] >> He has.
[1:45:17] >> Yeah.
[1:45:21] » Miss
[1:45:24] questions uh under revenue CR2012
[1:45:29] utility reimbur. So it was like 12
[1:45:33] >> 12,23 and 50,000 down from 25 back up.
[1:45:38] Can you tell us what that's for?
[1:45:39] >> Utility reimbursement. Chris.
[1:45:41] >> Yeah. Eric
[1:45:44] utility reimbursement. you're handling
[1:45:45] the reimbursement end of it. I mean,
[1:45:46] he's really reimbursing the meter
[1:45:48] values. So, even that that number there
[1:45:51] is kind of it's a pass through more or
[1:45:52] less, right?
[1:45:54] >> Right. So, but we're not
[1:45:59] >> that number is actually probably but one
[1:46:02] of the things is that really isn't a
[1:46:03] revenue because there isn't an expense
[1:46:06] to offset it. So, that's something maybe
[1:46:08] we have to look at. He is the the
[1:46:11] building is great. The building is
[1:46:12] metered to two meters. One meter is our
[1:46:15] meter, one meter is his meter.
[1:46:17] >> The city as the owner of the building
[1:46:19] receives the bill and we issue me to him
[1:46:22] every month for that amount. Um, and I
[1:46:24] believe that he would, but I don't know
[1:46:26] if it actually gets reported at revenue.
[1:46:28] I don't know if it does.
[1:46:29] >> It does.
[1:46:30] So, right now we up to
[1:46:33] >> I don't know,
[1:46:35] but
[1:46:37] >> but it's it's a net it's a net zero. The
[1:46:39] city does not make money. The city does
[1:46:41] not lose money. is paying for a meter
[1:46:43] from pitch,
[1:46:44] >> right? So, it's really So, based on that
[1:46:46] explanation, it's really not revenue,
[1:46:47] just getting reimbursed because
[1:46:52] » Oh, I'm sorry. In part two, um
[1:46:56] the seasonal memberships
[1:46:58] >> went down significantly.
[1:47:00] >> Yeah,
[1:47:00] >> that's on that's on purpose.
[1:47:04] >> Yeah. So we we we raised it we raised it
[1:47:06] what three or four years ago to a
[1:47:09] different number significantly higher
[1:47:11] than they were which we felt that they
[1:47:12] were undervalued.
[1:47:14] >> Um and we are municipal courts after
[1:47:17] all. We didn't want to turn it into a
[1:47:18] more of a private club style place or
[1:47:21] just membership type style.
[1:47:23] >> Um so I think there was a lot of players
[1:47:26] that were turned off by that. They
[1:47:28] didn't they decided not to get the
[1:47:29] season membership or season pass rather.
[1:47:32] And I've noticed it's cyclical. There'll
[1:47:35] be there'll be years where we'll get
[1:47:37] people that are interested and they're
[1:47:38] all gung-hong and say, "Yeah, I want to
[1:47:40] get it." And the number goes up, then it
[1:47:41] comes and flows. Um,
[1:47:45] I personally like it when that number's
[1:47:47] lower because we're able to get it more
[1:47:48] agree. I think we do better revenue wise
[1:47:50] when the season memberships are lower.
[1:47:53] And my So, one of the things I just
[1:47:56] wanted to point out with Matt, I think
[1:47:57] you detailed it. One of the things that
[1:48:00] Matt has to has to handle which is a big
[1:48:04] task and what we work together on is t
[1:48:08] times the final. So you know I can
[1:48:11] honestly right now tell you the maximum
[1:48:14] amount of revenue the course could make.
[1:48:16] It's just an equation. It's the amount
[1:48:18] of tea times times the amount of days
[1:48:20] that were open times a non-resident rate
[1:48:23] for the car. And I could show you that
[1:48:24] number and I this is the maximum this
[1:48:26] portion is ever going to make. But what
[1:48:29] Matt really is managing which is
[1:48:31] difficult is you have events, you have
[1:48:34] leagues, you have the public and you
[1:48:36] have season passholders. You have those
[1:48:38] four categories and I might be missing
[1:48:40] one. Correct me if I'm wrong. And we
[1:48:42] have to manage how we have those four
[1:48:44] categories into this finite block of
[1:48:47] times. If Matt wanted to, he could book
[1:48:51] an event almost every single day,
[1:48:54] but then the public won't be able to
[1:48:56] play the golf course. Similarly, a
[1:48:58] league. He has a waiting list, I
[1:48:59] believe, for leagues. We could have
[1:49:01] leagues go from 9:00 am to 5:00 pm. Once
[1:49:03] again, then the public cannot play the
[1:49:05] golf course.
[1:49:05] >> So, it's a balance of when do we
[1:49:07] actually allow leagues to come and if a
[1:49:09] league goes, there's a back when we want
[1:49:11] to some public events. We stopped having
[1:49:13] events on certain days.
[1:49:14] >> Yeah. We haven't we've decided not to
[1:49:17] take events on weekends just because
[1:49:19] that's a peak time for us uh the most
[1:49:22] popular time for the general public to
[1:49:24] be able to play the golf course. But as
[1:49:25] Chris described, those four entities,
[1:49:27] they all have important value to the
[1:49:30] course. It's important to have events
[1:49:31] there
[1:49:32] >> so you can showcase the golf course.
[1:49:34] It's important to have play. And of
[1:49:36] course, it's extremely important to have
[1:49:38] regular. Um, and all four serve a
[1:49:41] purpose for that facility.
[1:49:44] But trying to balance them all is the
[1:49:46] tricky part.
[1:49:51] » That was my question.
[1:49:54] membership was down 40%. But I know
[1:49:56] there's a huge hike in increase and um
[1:50:00] so that works out well especially
[1:50:02] balancing everything out
[1:50:04] >> and golfing there.
[1:50:06] >> Yeah.
[1:50:07] >> Two times a week. The course is just
[1:50:09] beautiful. And on those hot days when
[1:50:11] the sprinklers go off, it's nice to run
[1:50:13] underneath them.
[1:50:15] And we do complain about now the burst
[1:50:19] of the rough being way too rough to get
[1:50:22] out of, but it's because the grass is so
[1:50:24] healthy and hopefully we can set it up a
[1:50:27] little bit instead of playing the ball
[1:50:28] where it lies
[1:50:30] >> like
[1:50:32] that.
[1:50:34] >> But it is it's Thank you for everything
[1:50:36] that you do there. Mr. Mati has been a
[1:50:39] nice addition to your team up there.
[1:50:41] Yeah, just agree.
[1:50:43] >> And of course the parlor.
[1:50:46] >> Yeah,
[1:50:46] >> it's been good. I mean, there's a lot of
[1:50:48] times there's we're coming in from
[1:50:50] league play and there's not any room for
[1:50:52] us to kind of sit or hang out because so
[1:50:54] many people are there from different
[1:50:56] organizations. One being the whole um
[1:50:59] lacrosse team from this game was
[1:51:01] >> Yeah. The beginning of the year, right?
[1:51:02] >> Yeah. So, it was um you know, but they
[1:51:04] we you know, we whatever. So, it's it's
[1:51:08] a good thing. Everything moving forward
[1:51:09] there is perfect. Thank you.
[1:51:13] >> Go ahead.
[1:51:16] >> Okay. So, so, so the golf course is
[1:51:18] making money for the city.
[1:51:20] >> What's that?
[1:51:20] >> I said so the golf course is making
[1:51:21] money for the city and when um so we're
[1:51:24] not like taking any money out of the
[1:51:26] general fund to support the golf
[1:51:27] courses. It's quite the opposite.
[1:51:29] >> Correct.
[1:51:30] >> Right. So if so kind of to Mr. point.
[1:51:34] It's
[1:51:35] if you kind of managed it just a little
[1:51:39] differently um to maybe allow some more
[1:51:42] of the and it might cut down the
[1:51:44] availability of the public, you know,
[1:51:46] being a municipal golf course, I need I
[1:51:47] have to balance those tensions. I'm just
[1:51:50] thinking like how much would you have to
[1:51:52] change or is it that formula? is it's so
[1:51:55] specific that you could say, "Oh, if we
[1:51:57] um opened it up to a league or two more
[1:52:00] leagues this many times a year, it would
[1:52:03] generate this amount of uh revenue." Um
[1:52:07] I'm thinking um u quite um selfishly
[1:52:12] about like how could we manage that and
[1:52:14] maybe produce some revenue for our
[1:52:17] existing youth employment line that that
[1:52:20] I'm just kind of bouncing that idea out
[1:52:22] there. Actually, my question is very
[1:52:24] much related to
[1:52:28] Max has really done a great job of
[1:52:30] balancing the whole thing. And the one
[1:52:31] factor right now to drive revenue what
[1:52:34] is slightly beyond our control. It's the
[1:52:37] weather.
[1:52:38] >> You get a nice day. People are there
[1:52:40] playing golf.
[1:52:41] >> It's pouring rain. It drops the revenue
[1:52:44] pretty much to what is it? Zero.
[1:52:47] >> Yeah.
[1:52:49] But you know, you look at that balance
[1:52:53] and I understand what you're saying, but
[1:52:56] >> there's not a simple thing. If you give
[1:52:58] one lead, you're going to get x number
[1:53:00] of dollars because you're going to lose
[1:53:02] some free play uh from the uh general
[1:53:05] public, but it's just if you've got good
[1:53:08] weather,
[1:53:10] >> they get more people.
[1:53:12] So, I guess to kind of because I think
[1:53:14] we're all on the same page here. So,
[1:53:16] like maybe looking at um I mean I would
[1:53:21] love to see it go to 300,000. That's I
[1:53:24] don't know. But if if maybe to
[1:53:27] increase the membership fees slightly
[1:53:29] across all the fees to generate
[1:53:32] $150,000,
[1:53:34] >> I don't know how much that would, you
[1:53:36] know, how much that would increase it
[1:53:38] for an individual
[1:53:40] member. Just trying to figure out how do
[1:53:42] we do that.
[1:53:43] >> So yeah, so the season passes when you
[1:53:45] most of them will look at it in terms of
[1:53:48] so let's say a non-resident
[1:53:51] is I think it's $2,100 off the top of my
[1:53:54] head.
[1:53:54] >> Sure.
[1:53:55] >> They're going to dissect that number
[1:53:59] every which way they can think of.
[1:54:00] >> Sure.
[1:54:01] >> How many rounds do I need to play to
[1:54:02] make sure that I can get my value? And
[1:54:05] then there's going to be a few that say
[1:54:06] they don't care. It's the convenience of
[1:54:08] it. I can book eight days in advance as
[1:54:10] opposed to seventh. It's convenient for
[1:54:12] me. I like that. So, I'm going to do it.
[1:54:14] So, it depends on the person's, I guess,
[1:54:17] interest in that regard. Um, but yeah, I
[1:54:20] mean, you could you could raise it to
[1:54:21] any number you want, but what are they
[1:54:24] getting for the value, but it's not a
[1:54:27] typical golf course. I was saying they
[1:54:28] got this pool, locker room, tennis
[1:54:31] facilities. We have a lot of those
[1:54:33] things already, but they're just in
[1:54:34] separate entities. We have a public, we
[1:54:37] have the tennis courts, pickle ball, and
[1:54:39] all that, but they're located throughout
[1:54:40] the city. It's not in one specific
[1:54:44] facility. Like at Mohawk Club, for
[1:54:45] instance, you go there, they have a
[1:54:47] pool, they have locker room, they have
[1:54:48] clubhouse. Um, everything is right
[1:54:50] there, centrally located. It's very
[1:54:52] convenient.
[1:54:53] >> But their membership are their
[1:54:55] membership fees are $10,000 for a family
[1:54:57] of four.
[1:54:58] >> Right. So, there's a lot of daylight in
[1:55:00] between that and talking about how
[1:55:01] amazing to your point and everyone's
[1:55:03] point, how amazing our golf course is.
[1:55:05] That looks I'm just imagining that there
[1:55:07] might be some um some opportunities
[1:55:09] there to to to increase revenue
[1:55:12] especially for um that line of
[1:55:14] particular
[1:55:15] >> were to do something like that then I
[1:55:18] would ask that you you own it
[1:55:21] >> which is
[1:55:21] >> say again
[1:55:22] >> like but years ago right we got a 75th
[1:55:25] anniversary fee
[1:55:26] >> and you knew what it was we were
[1:55:29] charging a dollar extra around for the
[1:55:31] 75th anniversary fee went into a pot and
[1:55:34] that was used. We bought benches and we
[1:55:36] did some improvements off the 75th
[1:55:37] anniversary fee. So if you are looking
[1:55:40] for the golf course to fund a parks
[1:55:43] youth a program, then I would say you don't hide the fee. You don't you
[1:55:49] know you put it out there and you put a
[1:55:51] poster on the golf course and you say
[1:55:53] that like the city of Skenctity fees are
[1:55:56] helping fund X. So maybe, you know,
[1:55:58] you're going to get the cranky old
[1:56:00] people that have been there for 50 years
[1:56:01] that'll say, "I can't believe the fees
[1:56:02] went up to $2 instead of one." But, you
[1:56:05] know, you're giving us to say this is
[1:56:07] what we're doing with it. This is the
[1:56:08] part between that. The only thing that I
[1:56:10] want to make sure is, you know, once
[1:56:12] again, if we're trying to operate this
[1:56:14] golf course fiscally responsible, is
[1:56:16] that if you were to look on page um 90
[1:56:23] and this is, you know, typically how we
[1:56:25] go see it is that you're going to see
[1:56:27] transfer to general fund, audit fund,
[1:56:30] super fund 250, and 2,000. And then
[1:56:34] underneath you're going to see a
[1:56:35] transfer to capital fund, which is
[1:56:37] blank.
[1:56:38] The reason that that's usually blank is
[1:56:40] that we don't anticipate ever, you know,
[1:56:43] a revenue, right? We we make sure our
[1:56:46] expenses equal our our revenues. And
[1:56:49] then what to Matt's point, right? Right
[1:56:51] now, all things considered, we're moving
[1:56:54] into the black, right? We we're slowly
[1:56:57] creeping into the black. As we creep
[1:56:59] into the black and hopefully our
[1:57:00] revenues pace our expenses, then that
[1:57:03] transfer to the g capital fund goes up.
[1:57:05] Tick tick tick tick tick tick. And
[1:57:07] that's what we use for our capital,
[1:57:09] which you're going to ask about lately.
[1:57:11] Next, if we start taking the capital
[1:57:16] fund revenue, then we're not going to be
[1:57:18] putting any money into our savings, and
[1:57:20] then we're going to be reonding on
[1:57:22] bonding to buy our mowers and equipment.
[1:57:25] So, it would need to be, you know, the
[1:57:28] transfer of the general fund would need
[1:57:30] to be equal. And then we still need to
[1:57:31] be able to make sure that we have a
[1:57:33] capital fund, you know, and and that's
[1:57:34] to the mayor's point, but even if it
[1:57:36] rains, you know, we can't anticipate
[1:57:37] every day being sunny that we have to
[1:57:39] because if we bring our transfer of the
[1:57:41] capital fund to zeros, our savings will
[1:57:44] go down very quickly and then we're
[1:57:47] going to rely on bonding, which we
[1:57:49] haven't had to do before.
[1:57:50] >> Right. So I guess my the I agree my
[1:57:53] point is saying like even even with that
[1:57:55] consideration made then what we're
[1:57:57] essentially saying is that and and I
[1:57:59] agree with you like you know just be
[1:58:01] really clear and transparent about why
[1:58:03] we're doing it. I think that I think
[1:58:04] that would actually encourage people to
[1:58:07] um feel a little bit better about you
[1:58:10] know about paying an increased fee
[1:58:11] because they recognize that you know
[1:58:13] it's you know going to to something
[1:58:15] that's also it's being reinvested in the
[1:58:18] community right and that then we get the
[1:58:20] economic benefit of that dollar and that
[1:58:22] so on so forth with the public safety
[1:58:23] yada yada stuff I've been saying for
[1:58:25] years but so I say yes um do that and
[1:58:28] I'm and and the I guess the formula I
[1:58:29] would say is that I'm sure you guys are
[1:58:30] going to come and say you know we put a
[1:58:32] lot of money into this golf course and
[1:58:34] it's absolutely beautiful, one of the
[1:58:36] best around for what it is. Um, so we're
[1:58:39] going to, you know, we just we justify
[1:58:41] increasing the fees and still leaving a
[1:58:44] lot of daylight between us and the p
[1:58:46] private golf course, right? So, my
[1:58:48] saying is like maybe we if you could
[1:58:50] figure out what that formula would be,
[1:58:51] what is it what does it look like to um
[1:58:55] increase fees to where we're able to put
[1:58:58] the money away, but there is that
[1:59:00] additional and intentional couple bucks
[1:59:03] spread across everyone that could equal
[1:59:05] to this $200,000 and then we can fund a
[1:59:07] youth program which puts money back into
[1:59:10] the community and saves us money in the
[1:59:12] public safety uh alliance. as well. So,
[1:59:15] like that's what I'm suggesting we do.
[1:59:18] >> Yeah. What's the amount?
[1:59:20] >> Well, my amount my amount would be
[1:59:22] $300,000. So, once we get there, I mean,
[1:59:24] believe once we get there, we could talk
[1:59:26] about, you know, scaling it back, but
[1:59:27] like let's look let's look at what it
[1:59:29] would be is what I'm saying we should
[1:59:31] do.
[1:59:32] >> Go ahead.
[1:59:35] Okay.
[1:59:36] >> Well, in a related issue, um, of course,
[1:59:39] because I'm not a golfer, I can't
[1:59:41] remember what the golf starter ranger
[1:59:43] is, but I was wondering if those could
[1:59:45] be youth, and I think they probably
[1:59:47] already are, but
[1:59:49] >> they be youth employees,
[1:59:51] >> because I was kind of thinking that that
[1:59:53] would be 10 of the um, you know, that
[1:59:57] would be 10 employees um, right there.
[1:59:59] That's $45,000. Um, but I think Are
[2:00:02] they? Um, I'm not sure. So
[2:00:05] >> couple not really specifically for those
[2:00:08] types of positions.
[2:00:09] >> Okay.
[2:00:09] >> Um Peter's younger heart.
[2:00:12] >> Yeah.
[2:00:14] >> So when you're a starter at the golf
[2:00:16] course, right? Um
[2:00:18] >> it's it's it can be a pressure packed
[2:00:21] situation for sure. I mean you're
[2:00:23] constantly working to get golfers out at
[2:00:26] a reasonable time and a lot of times the
[2:00:28] starters get bullied by the golfers.
[2:00:31] They are impatient.
[2:00:33] uh they don't want to play with certain
[2:00:34] people. If they get paired up with
[2:00:36] strangers they may not know and that's
[2:00:39] kind of part of it being on a public
[2:00:40] golf course that's sort of what goes
[2:00:43] along with that uh facility.
[2:00:46] >> Okay.
[2:00:47] >> So it's you know if you have a young
[2:00:51] individual of 16 years old may not be
[2:00:53] able to handle that sort of pressure or
[2:00:54] know how to talk to an individual
[2:00:56] because they don't have the maturity yet
[2:00:58] for that. Not saying that that's going
[2:01:00] to happen but it's a possibility. Um, so
[2:01:03] we try not to put them in a position
[2:01:05] that they're not going to succeed in.
[2:01:07] >> Oh, yeah. No, the same at the pool.
[2:01:08] >> We may be able we'll kind of groom them
[2:01:11] to get them,
[2:01:12] >> right?
[2:01:12] >> Like get them under the flanking of, you
[2:01:15] know, a senior staff member to say,
[2:01:18] "Here, take them under your wing for a
[2:01:19] day or two, see how they do."
[2:01:21] >> And that's happened. So, um,
[2:01:25] one of the best employees I ever had was
[2:01:26] Ric Carlo Greley. The kid was amazing.
[2:01:28] He was mature beyond his years and he
[2:01:30] could do everything,
[2:01:32] >> right?
[2:01:32] >> But he worked his way to that. We didn't
[2:01:34] just thrust him in there. He he actually
[2:01:36] took it upon himself and volunteered to
[2:01:38] do these different positions and we felt
[2:01:40] that he was successful. But that of
[2:01:42] course that's not you're not going to
[2:01:43] always get an individual like that.
[2:01:46] >> So that's what we tried to do. If that
[2:01:47] answers your question
[2:01:48] >> that did um I think we're you know we're
[2:01:50] all kind of interested in how we're
[2:01:52] going to be able to um you know fund
[2:01:53] that $150,000.
[2:01:55] >> We just found it. Um but um I so also
[2:01:59] along those lines, the raffle um I can't
[2:02:02] remember how much the check was that
[2:02:03] went to APF this year when you guys uh
[2:02:06] came to the
[2:02:08] about $1,200.
[2:02:10] >> Yeah. So that wasn't much. Okay.
[2:02:12] >> Because I was going to suggest that too
[2:02:13] could also be part of um you know the
[2:02:16] instead of giving it to an outside
[2:02:17] nonprofit that we actually give it to a
[2:02:20] youth employment fund or youth services
[2:02:22] fund within the city. But it's only
[2:02:23] 1,200 bucks. So,
[2:02:25] >> we can certainly discuss a rate increase
[2:02:27] this year, of course, you know, fits it.
[2:02:30] Um,
[2:02:31] you know, one of the things, of course,
[2:02:33] with this little handout that I showed
[2:02:35] you was that there was a study done
[2:02:36] across New York State called an economic
[2:02:38] environmental impact study and we
[2:02:41] participated in our at least our
[2:02:42] facility started participating back in
[2:02:44] January. But I brought our maintenance
[2:02:46] staff in and we answered all the
[2:02:47] questions and pro you know provided all
[2:02:50] the numbers they were looking for and it
[2:02:53] was it was enjoyable because at the
[2:02:55] writer uh at the PGA tent um the person
[2:02:59] who was responsible for putting all this
[2:03:01] data together was there and unveiled it
[2:03:03] all to us. So, it was it was kind of a
[2:03:04] neat experience cuz there was PJ
[2:03:06] professionals from all across the
[2:03:08] country there. And this was highlighting
[2:03:10] New York specifically saying that we're
[2:03:12] like the leaders and uh golf, one of the
[2:03:15] top states in golf for jobs, economic
[2:03:18] impact, etc.
[2:03:20] And it was really neat because that page
[2:03:23] state work was held. A writer Cup has
[2:03:25] never been held at a stateowned golf
[2:03:27] course before. That was the first time
[2:03:28] that ever happened. Wow.
[2:03:30] >> And it's owned by the state of New York.
[2:03:31] It's a municipality
[2:03:33] and 25% of the facilities that are
[2:03:36] involved in this are municipality golf
[2:03:39] courses.
[2:03:40] >> So they provide a considerable amount of
[2:03:42] revenue and a big portion of this is
[2:03:45] provided by municipal. So
[2:03:48] >> one of the things that municipals do is
[2:03:51] they provide accessible affordable golf.
[2:03:54] So you got to tread that fine line
[2:03:56] because we are municipal. We don't want
[2:03:57] to raise the rates too high because
[2:03:59] that's what we pro pride ourselves in.
[2:04:02] But at the same time, listen, our
[2:04:03] expenses are not going to get any lower.
[2:04:05] We already know that everything's
[2:04:07] getting more expensive.
[2:04:09] Uh the cost of doing things and cost of
[2:04:11] doing business is more expensive. So,
[2:04:12] you have to you can't they're just
[2:04:15] everything's going up. I hate to say it,
[2:04:17] but that's just the way it's going to
[2:04:18] be.
[2:04:19] >> Yeah.
[2:04:19] >> And so, we've got to I like the way Mr.
[2:04:23] Farley's thinking. Maybe we should raise
[2:04:25] our rates so we're not working so hard
[2:04:27] to keep our heads just above water.
[2:04:30] >> Yeah. And I mean I think I'm sorry.
[2:04:32] >> No.
[2:04:33] >> Okay. I I was thinking, you know, we
[2:04:35] made quite the investment in the golf
[2:04:37] course, you know, with our funds as
[2:04:38] well. And I think that this is like a
[2:04:40] >> one of those ways which I think was a
[2:04:42] wise. So this is one of those ways to
[2:04:44] get,
[2:04:45] >> you know, with every a lot of people do
[2:04:47] a little and then we can kind of, you
[2:04:49] know, we can
[2:04:50] >> get that that line funded. Well, it's
[2:04:53] interesting because I think we've been a
[2:04:55] lot of a big uh leader in the community
[2:04:57] as far as that goes. So, when we first
[2:04:59] did the GPS on our golf carts, all of a
[2:05:03] sudden four or five other public golf
[2:05:05] courses in the area,
[2:05:07] >> what do they do? They got GPS in their
[2:05:08] golf course because they see how
[2:05:10] successful we were. We did irrigation.
[2:05:12] Town of Colony just put a like a $16
[2:05:14] million renovation project into their
[2:05:16] golf course. I don't know where they got
[2:05:18] money for that,
[2:05:20] but they have two 18hole golf course.
[2:05:24] That's a huge property, but they're redoing the entire uh facility
[2:05:29] over it. And I think the same irrigation
[2:05:31] company is doing their facility that did
[2:05:34] ours. But um anyway, Frier Park and
[2:05:37] Troy, same thing. New irrigation, big
[2:05:39] renovation project. All municipal golf
[2:05:41] coursees. Um Amsterdam Municipal just
[2:05:44] rebuilt the brand new clubhouse. I mean,
[2:05:46] so they're all doing renovations to
[2:05:48] their facilities in some regard, but um
[2:05:51] it almost seems like we're like at the
[2:05:53] forefront. Like what is Skenkity doing?
[2:05:55] What are they doing that they're able to
[2:05:56] finish in the black all the time?
[2:05:58] >> And Chris and I pride ourselves in not
[2:06:01] being a burden on the city. We never
[2:06:03] want to be a burden to the city. We self
[2:06:04] sustain a lot of our projects and don't
[2:06:07] ask for funding. I mean, I think the
[2:06:10] history of being here shows that.
[2:06:13] Wouldn't you say, Chris?
[2:06:14] >> Sure.
[2:06:16] So, I hope that answers some of your
[2:06:18] questions. But if you get a chance to
[2:06:19] look at this in the bottom right corner,
[2:06:21] it's kind of small, but it says New York
[2:06:23] Golf impact.org.
[2:06:25] And the study, well,
[2:06:28] it's pretty impressive the numbers they
[2:06:29] came up with. It shows everything from
[2:06:31] economic and and uh environmental
[2:06:34] impacts and what golf courses are doing
[2:06:36] all across the state from Buffalo to
[2:06:38] Malone down to Long Island. um water
[2:06:42] conservation,
[2:06:43] um animal protection stuff.
[2:06:46] >> We're a part of the Autobon Society,
[2:06:48] which is important.
[2:06:49] >> We've been with them for a long time.
[2:06:51] >> But things like that.
[2:06:54] >> Yeah,
[2:06:55] >> let's do it, man.
[2:06:57] >> I just had a question. Yeah, you
[2:06:59] mentioned self sustaining. So, how does
[2:07:01] that how does the capital funding factor
[2:07:05] into the entertainment? Is that hard
[2:07:07] compartment or capital is outside?
[2:07:10] of your expenditure here
[2:07:13] >> in which and
[2:07:14] >> capital. Yes.
[2:07:16] >> Yes. Operating.
[2:07:17] >> So how how is that factoring into your
[2:07:19] overall expenditure? Are you recovering
[2:07:21] this class? Are you funding this class?
[2:07:23] Because this is not funded. This is
[2:07:25] funding outside of your regular
[2:07:27] payto-day operation.
[2:07:29] >> The capital.
[2:07:29] >> Yeah. Capital you pay for the reserve.
[2:07:31] >> Yes. So that's so
[2:07:34] >> $375,000.
[2:07:35] >> Yeah.
[2:07:36] >> Is not funded.
[2:07:38] beath
[2:07:44] and the Jews that pay for the Catholics
[2:07:49] that come out
[2:07:51] >> is that part of that 250
[2:07:54] 350 something
[2:07:57] >> no
[2:07:58] general fund to subsidize.
[2:08:00] >> So that was um that that's what I was
[2:08:03] talking about this blank face here. So
[2:08:06] in 2024 we we moved $160,000 into 2013
[2:08:10] we moved $113,000 in. So this year we're
[2:08:14] hoping anything we make going on it's
[2:08:15] going to hopefully thick thick tick
[2:08:16] thick that number up and that's what we
[2:08:18] use to pay for what's in the capital
[2:08:20] request.
[2:08:21] >> So we don't have the number for 2025
[2:08:23] that's yet.
[2:08:23] >> We do not because we get that number at
[2:08:25] the end here to see what the actual
[2:08:27] number say
[2:08:28] >> and that would be used toward the 2026
[2:08:30] to offset the capital
[2:08:33] expenditure. Okay. I just want to go
[2:08:35] ahead.
[2:08:40] » Okay.
[2:08:42] Oh, question to Mr. Farley's point.
[2:08:46] Absolutely. I mean I I I don't know you have a golf advisory committee
[2:08:52] and it brings uh raises or increase in
[2:08:55] fees to that a year and you talk about
[2:08:58] so again you want to maintain that line
[2:09:00] that's that because
[2:09:04] a lot of people golf in all different um
[2:09:07] ages groups I see it there all different
[2:09:11] people so
[2:09:14] in I guess maybe 51 women that I golf
[2:09:17] with at MU in different leagues. Um
[2:09:20] there's probably two of us that are
[2:09:21] residents. Most of them are
[2:09:23] non-residents
[2:09:24] and um they put up the biggest stake
[2:09:26] about defeating some pain, but at least
[2:09:29] they'll come back and there's really
[2:09:30] nowhere been in the golf. So I just
[2:09:33] wanted to bring that out there that
[2:09:34] that's a little play thing you say.
[2:09:36] Sometimes they can be disgruntled. The
[2:09:38] golfers there, but um a lot of
[2:09:41] non-residents golfing there, which we
[2:09:42] get more money from which is fine.
[2:09:46] I guess my uh this another thing about
[2:09:48] youth is the fact that um you know
[2:09:50] during the day you know they're in
[2:09:52] school a lot of times are doing things.
[2:09:55] >> So my suggestion would be we have these
[2:09:58] beautiful beautiful new tennis courts
[2:10:02] being put in where we don't charge any
[2:10:04] fees for it. So that's something we can
[2:10:08] start to discuss a line of revenue on
[2:10:10] our tax.
[2:10:13] My my understanding is that was is
[2:10:15] supposed to happen when the new courts
[2:10:16] go in. Um I don't know how that's been
[2:10:20] worked through at all and talked about
[2:10:21] at this point but it would make sense.
[2:10:23] >> It will and
[2:10:26] so I know that we part of our course we
[2:10:30] have some partnerships um and there's
[2:10:32] some agreements in place in order for
[2:10:33] them to be you know as fantastic as
[2:10:36] they're going to be. Um but I was going
[2:10:37] to say to Mr. to Turo's point, it seems
[2:10:40] like based on what the information we're
[2:10:41] getting now, we, you know, we again, we
[2:10:44] want to balance those tensions and I can
[2:10:46] appreciate those that we're not just
[2:10:47] saying, "Okay, let's make as much money
[2:10:49] as we can and then we do close it out
[2:10:51] for people, but it it seems like we're
[2:10:54] in one of those situations where we have
[2:10:55] one of those good problems where we have
[2:10:57] more interest that makes managing it
[2:11:00] comp complicated enough to where we have
[2:11:02] to, you know, make sure that we're doing
[2:11:04] it in a way that we can people because
[2:11:06] there's such a high interest. So if we
[2:11:08] have such a high interest, that seems
[2:11:10] like the ideal place to um leverage that
[2:11:14] interest and cut a check to make sure
[2:11:16] our kids, you know, have jobs.
[2:11:21] » We do have a pretty good pipeline,
[2:11:22] right, to connect to the high school. In
[2:11:24] fact, five of our hires this year came
[2:11:26] from Connect.
[2:11:28] >> It was and they worked out great. They
[2:11:30] were all fantastic kids.
[2:11:32] >> Yeah. Yeah. That's awesome.
[2:11:36] » Yeah.
[2:11:37] I'm just and I know that you may have an
[2:11:39] opinion on this, but we're talking as
[2:11:41] friends, colleagues, here um I will get
[2:11:44] the numbers together like you asked. It
[2:11:46] may be a large impact on honor. We'll
[2:11:50] present it. Um to your point about the
[2:11:52] tennis, I will say that is fantastic
[2:11:54] point, but it also made me think about
[2:11:56] other things in the park that are free
[2:11:59] that draw a lot of people from outside
[2:12:01] the city.
[2:12:05] You said it might be an impact on what?
[2:12:07] >> We put so much money into it outside of
[2:12:09] the $20,000 that if it's Are you talking
[2:12:13] about Music Haven?
[2:12:14] >> Yeah. Well, we raise um I don't know
[2:12:16] hundreds of thousands of dollars or
[2:12:18] whatever to actually make the budget of
[2:12:19] Music Haven and the city only
[2:12:21] contributes $20,000
[2:12:23] um to Music Haven. Um
[2:12:26] >> but you were to actually charge the
[2:12:28] people.
[2:12:31] >> How would we do that? They come in over
[2:12:33] the hill. I mean, they sit all over the
[2:12:34] hills, all over the
[2:12:35] >> people in the seats to pay for the seat
[2:12:37] >> and you would I mean, we would you use a
[2:12:39] snow fence. You would use a green snow
[2:12:41] fence and you would actually I mean, and
[2:12:43] once again, you would say it's for a
[2:12:44] youth program. I mean, the I'm just
[2:12:47] saying is if we're going down this road
[2:12:49] and we're trying to fund a youth, a
[2:12:50] youth program
[2:12:52] >> and we're trying to do it, then we have
[2:12:54] to look at all the revenue. Sure. You
[2:12:55] know, I mean, and and
[2:12:57] >> I don't know. I would just point out
[2:12:58] that um again, sorry to interrupt, but
[2:13:01] again um we have donors that um purchase
[2:13:05] the seats, purchase the bricks, purchase
[2:13:07] all sorts of things. They sponsor the
[2:13:09] concerts. Um, I mean it's like the I
[2:13:13] would have I can't remember off the top
[2:13:15] of my head what the total budget is for
[2:13:16] Music Haven, but $20,000 of it is all
[2:13:19] that the city gets and everything else
[2:13:21] is coming from things that they sell to
[2:13:24] people that come, all the food that
[2:13:26] people buy and the and the beverages
[2:13:28] that people buy. But mostly it's the
[2:13:31] fundraising where if you look on the
[2:13:33] side of the stage, I mean, you can see
[2:13:36] that there's people um myself included
[2:13:39] that have donated money uh to have the
[2:13:41] name up on the brick, but mostly because
[2:13:43] they value the the um what music haven
[2:13:47] brings to the park, especially in terms
[2:13:49] of the diversity um in terms of the fact
[2:13:53] that it is this sort of multicultural
[2:13:55] experience um in terms of the music that
[2:13:58] comes. But I appreciate what you're
[2:13:59] saying. I can get I can get the specific
[2:14:02] figures on how much the the budget I
[2:14:04] mean I know that's one of my volunteer
[2:14:06] things is trying to help them raise
[2:14:07] money uh every year because it is it's
[2:14:10] just you know if we if we had to
[2:14:12] actually pay for what happens in that in
[2:14:15] that would be I can't remember exactly
[2:14:17] what it is but I feel like it's like a
[2:14:19] couple hundred,000 but do you remember
[2:14:23] for music haven in terms of its total
[2:14:25] budget?
[2:14:27] I I don't remember what it is actually,
[2:14:29] but that was I mean is it my I actually
[2:14:33] still had a couple of questions, but um
[2:14:37] >> I don't know. I get what you're saying
[2:14:38] though. But um
[2:14:39] >> just because you know $50,000 is more
[2:14:43] attainable than $150,000 for the golf
[2:14:45] course. So if you were to go 50 50 and
[2:14:48] it's a park, you know, the parks
[2:14:50] generate the money in excess for the
[2:14:53] program. It may be more attainive, but I
[2:16:23] ing stations at the golf course. Yeah.
[2:16:25] >> Prior
[2:16:26] >> I'm sorry.
[2:16:27] >> Prior to our installation of the two did
[2:16:29] not happen.
[2:16:30] >> Okay. So, the two charging stations that
[2:16:32] are now there, that's what you're
[2:16:34] charging all those 60 parts. Those are
[2:16:37] Oh, that's what I was Oh, that's
[2:16:39] >> Oh, you're talking about the electrical.
[2:16:40] >> Yeah, I was trying to figure out how we
[2:16:42] charge those cars if we
[2:16:43] >> No, there's two there's two electrical
[2:16:45] uh charging stations for vehicles.
[2:16:47] >> Okay.
[2:16:48] >> In the parking lot this year.
[2:16:50] >> Separate charging station.
[2:16:54] All those chargers were in the car bar
[2:16:55] and that was that was a massive that was
[2:16:57] updated
[2:16:59] handled the capacity for that.
[2:17:00] >> Okay. Thank you. I just I was like how
[2:17:02] could we not have a charging station
[2:17:04] going? This is in the third year of that
[2:17:06] lease.
[2:17:09] >> Next year we're actually going to be
[2:17:10] bringing a new program to the course I
[2:17:12] forgot to mention called PJO.
[2:17:17] » It's a rework military program.
[2:17:19] >> Cool.
[2:17:20] >> Um and both Jeff Mati and myself are now
[2:17:23] certified. Uh there's actually a
[2:17:25] training seminar you have to attend
[2:17:28] because you're dealing with individuals
[2:17:30] that you know post-traumatic stress
[2:17:32] disorder um loss of limbs um I had a
[2:17:35] gentleman who had no legs and one arm
[2:17:38] and he's sitting in a wheel specific
[2:17:40] wheelchair and he learned how to play
[2:17:42] golf with one arm
[2:17:43] >> and so it really kind of brings you back
[2:17:45] to reality when you see an individual
[2:17:47] like that and the joy it brings them and
[2:17:50] they felt that the the PJ uh program is
[2:17:53] the saved their lives.
[2:18:36] So what we have here first are two
[2:18:39] fairway mowers. These are our large
[2:18:42] workforce mowers um that uh that we um
[2:18:46] the existing mowers we have are about 10
[2:18:49] years old. So we're looking to replace
[2:18:51] both of those. Um, the second thing,
[2:18:53] like I said, is a T- mower. It's more
[2:18:55] specialty, smaller piece of equipment
[2:18:56] that we use for mowing our TE's. Uh, the
[2:19:02] Ventra with duals. That is a workhorse
[2:19:06] mower. It's a very unique mower um that
[2:19:09] has uh sets of dual tires on the fronts
[2:19:11] and backs and a deck that is warm, a
[2:19:15] rough top deck. And what we use that for
[2:19:18] are inclines and steep hillsides. Um,
[2:19:21] it's a very stable like a goat mower.
[2:19:24] It'll go around. Very neat mower that we
[2:19:26] have, but we bought it seven or eight
[2:19:30] years ago used off of a contract and now
[2:19:33] we were looking to replace it.
[2:19:35] >> Uh, the Verticut 3 points, those are
[2:19:37] actually um
[2:19:39] >> I think that is just another smaller
[2:19:41] mower, more hand mower. And then the
[2:19:42] units for the 33, those are actually
[2:19:44] just cutting units. They're just like
[2:19:47] razor blades that would go on to the the
[2:19:50] mower. So you can buy those separate
[2:19:51] from the mower. And then the facility
[2:19:54] improvements. Um we're looking to
[2:19:56] replace the boiler. Um we did talk with
[2:19:59] Miy looking to operate the restaurant
[2:20:03] all year. Um not fulltime but all year.
[2:20:06] And we would like to make sure that the
[2:20:08] boiler uh operates. So we're getting
[2:20:10] quotes on that now. Actually, uh we're
[2:20:13] also looking to do hallway improvements
[2:20:15] with that money. Um, if you may or may
[2:20:18] not be aware, there is a hallway between
[2:20:23] where the female locker room can be in
[2:20:25] our utility room. We would like to
[2:20:27] reopen that for the winter season so
[2:20:29] that um, patrons to the restaurant do
[2:20:31] not have to walk up the hill. They can
[2:20:32] walk through the hallway and up the
[2:20:34] stairway.
[2:20:36] We think that's the preferred path for
[2:20:38] visiting the restaurant in the winter
[2:20:39] months. And then Matt would like to uh
[2:20:43] purchase a new merchandise counter. Um
[2:20:45] the current counter was uh created by
[2:20:49] our in-house carpenters almost a decade
[2:20:52] ago is um literally a glass bot with two
[2:20:58] um podiums on either side that the
[2:21:00] carpenters made and we'd like to have
[2:21:02] more of a professional front back
[2:21:04] counter for merchandise.
[2:21:09] » Any questions?
[2:21:10] >> Yes, thank you. I don't I thought that
[2:21:12] was um proposed a few years ago. Your
[2:21:15] counter out there and we didn't have
[2:21:17] funding for that or
[2:21:18] >> No, it was a little more than we
[2:21:20] thought. I think we only put like 5,000
[2:21:21] in the budget. Ended up being closer to
[2:21:23] 10 or 15. So that's where we moved it
[2:21:25] out of operating. We moved it into
[2:21:27] capitals reserves. But yeah, it ended up
[2:21:30] being, you know, essentially all
[2:21:32] customer,
[2:21:33] >> right?
[2:21:34] >> And your merchandise is huge up there. I
[2:21:36] mean, do you get a lot of sales on the
[2:21:37] merchandise? Yeah. Especially Yeah.
[2:21:39] We've done a lot more this year than any
[2:21:40] year.
[2:21:41] >> Okay. Um
[2:21:42] >> but it just like to Chris's point, it'll
[2:21:44] be much more professional looking. Um
[2:21:47] and just kind of fits with all the work
[2:21:49] that we've been doing out there.
[2:21:50] >> Right. Absolutely.
[2:21:52] >> And how about um under the under your
[2:21:55] capital improvements some work to the
[2:21:57] forward tea boxes
[2:21:59] [Laughter]
[2:21:59] [Music]
[2:22:03] and so forth.
[2:22:07] >> More friendly.
[2:22:09] more not in the line of the back.
[2:22:14] >> We could get the we could get the
[2:22:15] lightning box like
[2:22:18] >> well a few of the former tea boxes the
[2:22:20] place more
[2:22:22] >> closer to the hole.
[2:22:24] >> You say they're in line with the back
[2:22:25] ones.
[2:22:26] >> Oh yeah.
[2:22:27] >> Nine and 18.
[2:22:28] >> You mean being off the side?
[2:22:30] >> Yeah.
[2:22:32] a lot of people talk about the forward
[2:22:34] see blacks as being more
[2:22:36] >> I wouldn't even want to say woman
[2:22:37] friendly more senior friendly
[2:22:39] >> kind of more centered
[2:22:41] >> yeah okay that's
[2:22:44] >> yeah are we going to have to fund
[2:22:47] >> I can probably put a collection up with
[2:22:49] the
[2:22:50] >> the ladies you know of course
[2:22:52] >> we we do need that
[2:22:53] >> they they still think it's a man's sport
[2:22:55] you know and um they still think Rudy is
[2:22:57] a old old man's
[2:23:00] today. Oh, for years, but it's not
[2:23:03] changing.
[2:23:05] But there are some some tea boxes that
[2:23:08] could use improvement. I put that in the
[2:23:10] cap.
[2:23:10] >> Sure is the correct ter.
[2:23:12] >> I can definitely address that with our
[2:23:14] maintenance staff and see if they can
[2:23:16] I'll some suggestions.
[2:23:19] >> We are that would be great.
[2:23:22] We are renting just to let you know a
[2:23:24] project that I've been wanting to do
[2:23:25] Matt for a decade is what I call between
[2:23:30] goals four and five. It is a dirt cart
[2:23:33] path
[2:23:36] that is no longer used, hasn't been used
[2:23:38] for 10 years. And our superintendent uh
[2:23:40] we are running a mini bulldozer and will
[2:23:43] be covering it, fescuing it, and making
[2:23:47] sure the carts don't go in. And I I
[2:23:49] really do think it's just one of those
[2:23:50] little things that when we do it, it's
[2:23:52] going to make us just look every year
[2:23:54] just that little bit better because now
[2:23:55] when you're on the T- box for five next
[2:23:58] year when you look out, you won't be
[2:23:59] seeing this arbitrary
[2:24:02] road in the middle of what should be a
[2:24:04] new area. So the golfers probably won't
[2:24:07] appreciate having that road because when
[2:24:08] you go right, you can kind of drive on
[2:24:10] it. But, you know, keep your ball in
[2:24:11] fair.
[2:24:14] >> And one more question. And I I don't
[2:24:15] know if I brought this forward last year
[2:24:17] or in one of your meetings. Um a shelter
[2:24:20] furthest from the thought uh from the
[2:24:22] course for lightning and things like
[2:24:24] that.
[2:24:24] >> Bring that up last night.
[2:24:25] >> A lot of times it's hard to get in
[2:24:27] especially if you're walking. So I just
[2:24:29] put that up right here.
[2:24:30] >> The lightning sensors.
[2:24:33] So
[2:24:33] >> do you notice those?
[2:24:34] >> Oh gosh. Yeah. Yeah. And they scream.
[2:24:37] >> No. Sensors that were put on part of the
[2:24:40] improvement. So it's a storm approaches
[2:24:43] again. how many miles out
[2:24:45] >> they shouldn't
[2:24:46] be at risk so that they're given notice
[2:24:48] and should get off the court.
[2:24:50] >> That's great.
[2:24:50] >> Yeah, it's a lightning detection system
[2:24:52] that was included when we put the
[2:24:54] irrigation in and they're in the corners
[2:24:56] of the golf course from more farreaching
[2:24:58] areas.
[2:24:59] >> And if it's detected within a 5 mile
[2:25:02] radius, they go off and so it alerts the
[2:25:05] golfers to that there is lightning in
[2:25:07] the area. Maybe not directly overhead,
[2:25:09] but in the area and to be aware of it.
[2:25:12] >> That's great. Same Dorian is not coming
[2:25:14] off the course. What do you do?
[2:25:16] >> Well, somebody comes out to get them.
[2:25:18] Yeah.
[2:25:18] >> Yeah. We actually do. We'll take a storm
[2:25:21] coming. We actually make rounds out
[2:25:22] there making sure everybody comes in.
[2:25:24] >> Yeah.
[2:25:25] Cuz there are people like Tony
[2:25:28] Barber husband Tony Ward. He's sitting
[2:25:31] on a bench on the 14th hole under
[2:25:33] umbrella. Tony, what in the world are
[2:25:34] you doing out there? I I dragging.
[2:25:40] >> All right. Any other question? top of
[2:25:42] that, please. I do think it's important
[2:25:43] to know there are a number of residents
[2:25:45] in our community that do not golf. I'm
[2:25:47] one of them. It is not because I've
[2:25:49] never done it. It's partly because the
[2:25:51] fact I think in my my age, I think it'd
[2:25:54] be difficult to not be good at
[2:25:55] something. So, I think it's out of pride
[2:25:57] that I did not go. Um, but sincerely,
[2:26:00] correct me if I'm wrong, Mr. Wallen, the
[2:26:02] projects that Mr. Toro will highlight,
[2:26:03] those would be ones that you would add
[2:26:05] to your list to identify um pathways
[2:26:08] forward correction.
[2:26:12] uh projects which these
[2:26:17] specific
[2:26:18] >> the concepts that were presented tonight
[2:26:20] those were all additional projects that
[2:26:21] you would have to weigh and levy as you
[2:26:23] manage your other
[2:26:24] >> oh yes they're all yeah they're all
[2:26:26] under
[2:26:27] >> thank you freaking a point I think it's
[2:26:29] important to make sure that we're
[2:26:30] balancing like the efforts of the city
[2:26:32] and sincerely think this is all wrapping
[2:26:34] into the comment from Mr. Harley, I
[2:26:37] think if we're intentional with drawing
[2:26:39] a little bit more, I think being
[2:26:40] considerate to the fact of don't break
[2:26:42] something that's not broken and we have
[2:26:44] or don't it works it works well do in
[2:26:48] part to the management and the support
[2:26:50] from the city. Uh but sincerely I
[2:26:52] imagine there's individuals listening at
[2:26:53] home that we put $3 million in this park
[2:26:57] in this golf course
[2:26:59] don't think it's a difficult thing to
[2:27:00] intentionally pull out a little bit more
[2:27:02] beyond what already is. And then the
[2:27:04] other comment I wanted to highlight is
[2:27:06] it's a discussion me and Morfield often
[2:27:08] have of the concept or misconception of
[2:27:11] free and I think that makes a lot of
[2:27:13] things difficult because there's always
[2:27:15] a cost. Um so I think I would balance
[2:27:18] that in a very um
[2:27:23] not disenfranchised community but we
[2:27:24] have a community with a lot of needs and
[2:27:26] often times we hear how some of the
[2:27:28] resources we have in the city are taken
[2:27:30] advantage of. So I think it's important
[2:27:31] to make sure we are intentionally
[2:27:34] adding more safety measures. So there
[2:27:36] are specific considerations for the
[2:27:38] community with respect to the youth
[2:27:40] service line but I think in other areas.
[2:27:44] » Thank you.
[2:27:46] >> Are there any more question comments?
[2:27:49] >> Just one comment
[2:27:52] or maybe two respond like that.
[2:27:55] So um so I just want us again
[2:27:59] >> we we can talk about this youth service
[2:28:01] line as a expense but that would be not
[2:28:06] looking at it as an investment the same
[2:28:09] way that we invest into uh the golf
[2:28:11] course and invest into our parks. There
[2:28:13] there's an investment here and that
[2:28:15] money again is some of the money that
[2:28:18] circulates in our community at a higher
[2:28:20] level than any other money is used in
[2:28:22] employment and youth services. and then
[2:28:25] to factor in our public safety money.
[2:28:27] So, I just want to make sure that we're
[2:28:28] looking through that, you know, through
[2:28:29] the right prison, if you will. That's
[2:28:31] all.
[2:28:33] >> Are there any other comments, questions?
[2:28:35] Seeing none. Thank you so much. Thank
[2:28:37] you so much.
[2:28:38] >> Thank you, Chris. Thank you for all that
[2:28:40] you guys are doing.
[2:28:42] >> Thank you. Keep up the good work.
[2:28:44] Um,
[2:28:54] I want you to make noise.
[2:42:04] Boys and girls,
[2:42:06] >> thank you. I
[2:42:08] >> um we'll restart and we'll stay on
[2:42:11] capital funding and we'll go on to
[2:42:14] utilities and it
[2:42:19] » is taking the lead.
[2:42:23] Um
[2:42:24] >> walk us through the equipment.
[2:42:26] >> Sorry.
[2:42:28] >> No, no, I'm talking about capital.
[2:42:30] >> Oh, capital.
[2:42:31] >> Page 91.
[2:42:33] >> All right. So, the first thing I'd like
[2:42:36] to address is the sign fabrication
[2:42:38] upgrade that comes with a new latex
[2:42:40] printer, laminator, and some vinyl to
[2:42:42] get us started for making signs. The way
[2:42:45] that we make signs right now, if you're
[2:42:47] all aware, we uh screen print. So, you
[2:42:50] can get away with it for your typical
[2:42:51] road sign, but with any other sign where
[2:42:53] the text maybe gets a little bit
[2:42:55] smaller, it is a pain. So um it would
[2:42:59] save time, money, material effort, um
[2:43:03] all that and it would create a better
[2:43:04] looking sign in the long run. So I'm
[2:43:07] really a big advocate for this
[2:43:09] revolutionize the way we make signs in
[2:43:10] my apartment.
[2:43:15] » This one is the smart note upgrade.
[2:43:18] >> Oh, sorry. you have installed.
[2:43:21] >> It is the um upgrading of the 200 city
[2:43:25] IQ nodes that we currently have along
[2:43:27] State Street. So, uh it's an antiquated
[2:43:30] piece of equipment for uh smart nodes.
[2:43:33] They don't give us the same speed, air
[2:43:35] quality, uh noise data that we get. I
[2:43:38] don't sure you all familiar with that
[2:43:40] speed report that I put together. That
[2:43:42] would be that last piece and it would be
[2:43:44] like the hole filling the hole in the
[2:43:46] picture of the the picture that we're
[2:43:47] painting for speed data. So it would be
[2:43:49] very important for us um residents
[2:43:53] um just going forward in general to uh
[2:43:57] promote safety.
[2:43:59] >> And you mentioned 2001
[2:44:02] 200 CIQ notes to be replaced with the uh
[2:44:05] you need
[2:44:08] up toate smart.
[2:44:14] » Okay.
[2:44:16] Go ahead.
[2:44:19] >> Congress. Um,
[2:44:21] we do we have like the smart city
[2:44:25] opening side. Is that anybody
[2:44:29] able to to cover part of this?
[2:44:32] I don't know where we are with it,
[2:44:35] but I know we put money aside. So, I'm
[2:44:37] just wondering if any part of the
[2:44:39] vaccine is something that could be sent
[2:44:41] here.
[2:44:43] >> I don't believe so.
[2:44:45] exhaust those funds. We actually got
[2:44:48] another grant from the smart city
[2:44:50] initiative to continue our efforts into
[2:44:52] devel. But that's for further AP and
[2:44:55] fiber. nothing in relation to what I
[2:44:58] described there.
[2:45:01] >> But
[2:45:05] I not
[2:45:17] Brian and I looked at it. Um like as he
[2:45:20] stated, majority of the funds are
[2:45:21] exhausted. So um we need this funding
[2:45:24] source um to get this part
[2:45:27] >> you can um have a listing money and have
[2:45:31] extensive because it last wasn't
[2:45:34] something that was
[2:45:38] thank you
[2:45:39] >> for how many years
[2:45:41] >> from the beginning to now
[2:45:43] >> um I'm going to say in the past three
[2:45:45] years
[2:45:47] >> commissioner you mentioned the money is
[2:45:49] expended does that mean that um the
[2:45:51] money is all spent or is it just that uh
[2:45:55] we have open purchase orders?
[2:45:58] >> I would have to uh double check that but
[2:46:00] I believe the majority um if not all
[2:46:03] have been exhausted.
[2:46:06] So okay so pain can provide us
[2:46:10] if it's all
[2:46:14] there any outstanding appeals
[2:46:17] >> all
[2:46:20] any other question before you go on to
[2:46:22] your next item
[2:46:24] >> middle item that's
[2:46:26] >> yeah please
[2:46:27] >> truck attachments
[2:46:28] >> truck attachment
[2:46:29] >> it's basically ease of use for a new
[2:46:32] spray that we got will go onto a truck
[2:46:34] that we actually outlined right now um
[2:46:36] just you know upgrade our our process.
[2:46:46] » Any other question? Go ahead.
[2:46:47] >> So the smart mode upgrade that will
[2:46:51] coincide with the grant that we just
[2:46:54] got.
[2:46:55] >> How does that how do those things work
[2:46:57] to each other?
[2:46:58] Um so we will have uh the more APS that
[2:47:04] will be putting up and developing as
[2:47:06] part of that smart city initiative.
[2:47:07] >> Okay.
[2:47:08] >> Grant that we just got
[2:47:10] >> this will be APS are access points.
[2:47:12] They're like you know a big rout just to
[2:47:15] get internet. Um these smart nodes will
[2:47:18] be a data point for the city to use
[2:47:22] gather speed sound data. So it's
[2:47:25] different but
[2:47:26] >> related but not Okay.
[2:47:27] >> Right.
[2:47:30] >> So um the grant could you just be
[2:47:33] specific about the grant? Are you
[2:47:34] talking about the 1.6 million of that?
[2:47:35] >> Correct.
[2:47:36] >> And so
[2:47:38] that's separate in parts from what we
[2:47:40] have here and can't be used for.
[2:47:45] >> Thank you.
[2:47:48] So that is one that connect all state
[2:47:51] brand that is more focused on the mobile
[2:47:55] devices or something signals uh we have
[2:47:57] around the area to boost those things
[2:48:00] that is the like the main functionality
[2:48:03] of that grant.
[2:48:04] >> Mhm.
[2:48:06] >> Any question on the capital fun
[2:48:10] thank you for the capital.
[2:48:13] So we will go to page 24
[2:48:17] utilities administration
[2:48:21] commissioner
[2:48:26] 53
[2:48:29] [Music]
[2:48:34] just want to give us highlights what's
[2:48:36] happening in utility
[2:48:41] they're carried over
[2:48:44] everything 24 from last budget.
[2:48:49] One thing I did want to bring I'm
[2:48:52] getting a little ahead of myself but
[2:48:53] with the painters I'm sorry
[2:48:57] no everything's pretty much
[2:48:59] >> yeah let's let's stay with the u utility
[2:49:02] administration and then
[2:49:04] we'll go into the next uh department.
[2:49:08] Any questions on the utility
[2:49:11] administration?
[2:49:12] >> These are just steps
[2:49:15] for the IPS
[2:49:18] who pretend those are just basically
[2:49:21] correct.
[2:49:27] » Any other questions?
[2:49:28] >> Yes.
[2:49:29] >> Who's the site for?
[2:49:33] » Thank you.
[2:49:35] I do want to make a small note and I
[2:49:38] apologize for these saying this just
[2:49:39] revealing my numbers. I was revising the one that I may be here
[2:49:45] between 404 fees for services 6500
[2:49:50] >> 7,000 would be
[2:49:52] again but that's not acceptable I accept
[2:49:55] that but that's my request.
[2:49:59] So are you saying so 6,500 you're asking
[2:50:02] for more?
[2:50:03] >> 500 more. So 7,000.
[2:50:06] >> Okay.
[2:50:07] >> Sorry about that.
[2:50:10] 16.
[2:50:14] » Any other questions?
[2:50:16] Seeing none, we'll move to pave
[2:50:23] » 35 and that is utility sign maintenance.
[2:50:27] I do have a question from Mary.
[2:50:29] >> Oh, um, so for the travel conferences, I
[2:50:33] see that you're in love with that line.
[2:50:35] There's no time that you ever travel. I
[2:50:36] mean, because the IT business is like
[2:50:38] ever changing. So there's no ever any
[2:50:41] time that you're ever
[2:50:43] global expenses for that conferences.
[2:50:47] Um,
[2:50:50] there I saw that 24 there wasn't a lot
[2:50:53] spent, but in 23 there was. So I just
[2:50:57] went to my first conference. Um there
[2:51:00] was that's probably going to be the one
[2:51:01] that I go to unless there's something
[2:51:03] else that comes about. So I budgeted
[2:51:05] just enough to cover that one conference
[2:51:07] which is honestly not allowed. So
[2:51:10] >> okay
[2:51:10] >> that's where I felt comfortable cutting
[2:51:12] very
[2:51:12] >> okay the local conference
[2:51:15] >> uh you got
[2:51:16] >> okay so is it generally local because my
[2:51:18] concern is that if we're talking about
[2:51:20] the United conference then that becomes
[2:51:24] uh a little bit more expensive but is it
[2:51:26] generally local
[2:51:28] >> it's the only one I was aware of I can
[2:51:30] ask John and see if there's um any other
[2:51:33] ones out there that possibly could
[2:51:34] require some travel but he did not
[2:51:36] allude to us so I wouldn't that there is
[2:51:38] one out Yeah.
[2:51:41] The cut that I made there, I believe.
[2:51:44] >> Okay.
[2:51:49] » Any other question?
[2:51:53] We'll move through
[2:51:57] 36 35 potential 36 and that is utility
[2:52:02] sign payments
[2:52:04] side mainten,000
[2:52:12] left to address um the bills for
[2:52:15] painters
[2:52:17] by one
[2:52:19] >> should be three I missed that on my part
[2:52:22] um
[2:52:24] it was budgeted. So what happened was
[2:52:26] there's a cleaner that is currently
[2:52:28] still transitioning to be a painting
[2:52:30] crew um which kind of led to the mishap
[2:52:34] there but I believe he was budgeted for
[2:52:36] on the facility side of things as a
[2:52:38] cleaner
[2:52:41] would be able to
[2:52:46] » so there needs to be movement an adjust
[2:52:48] sorry an adjustment here from being
[2:52:51] clean back into the painter
[2:52:54] Commission making notes.
[2:52:57] >> It's running over.
[2:52:58] >> Okay.
[2:53:03] » Go ahead, please.
[2:53:05] >> Oh, is the cleaner then? Whose budget is
[2:53:08] that in a cleaner?
[2:53:09] >> So,
[2:53:11] >> they have six cleaners that currently
[2:53:16] sell one of those six.
[2:53:18] >> Okay.
[2:53:20] >> Thank you. So this would stay at the at
[2:53:22] the the two
[2:53:25] >> here.
[2:53:27] >> Oh shifted from facilities would go
[2:53:29] down.
[2:53:29] >> No.
[2:53:34] » So a cleaner uh moved or in the process
[2:53:38] of moving to the cleaner position. They
[2:53:40] have currently two films two individuals
[2:53:42] in this department and making
[2:53:45] it usually
[2:53:48] position. That's why it was removed. But
[2:53:49] this individual has moved in. I think it
[2:53:52] was at the end of September.
[2:53:53] >> It's officially still be going through
[2:53:56] civil service at the moment. So, it's
[2:53:57] not quite official, which is why it's
[2:53:59] like limbo at the moment.
[2:54:03] » How much? But you also said that they still want to say six claims.
[2:54:09] So, does that mean that there would be a
[2:54:11] vacancy of the petition would be there?
[2:54:14] will be a vacancy once the
[2:54:16] transition completed.
[2:54:18] >> Okay. And so what would that increase
[2:54:20] this budget?
[2:54:23] >> This paint
[2:54:30] less than 60,000.
[2:54:34] Additionally 55,000
[2:54:39] here
[2:54:45] benefits.
[2:54:49] See
[2:54:59] it up to 170.
[2:55:11] So is the payment make the same um same
[2:55:14] salary that they're making
[2:55:17] as clean currently?
[2:55:19] >> No increase.
[2:55:20] >> Okay.
[2:55:22] >> Thank you.
[2:55:26] » Please go ahead. uh not that you can be
[2:55:29] excuse me knowledgeable like operations
[2:55:31] in other areas for departments but um
[2:55:34] with respect to waste removal and how
[2:55:36] they use like uh um Mos um how
[2:55:40] interchangeable are painters like is
[2:55:42] that a position where right here you
[2:55:44] have painter and
[2:55:48] sign maintenance that's the A3310
[2:55:52] and there's also a painter in property
[2:55:54] management which is A1621
[2:55:57] 21. Is there is there any
[2:55:59] interchangeability?
[2:56:08] » Are there any other question for the
[2:56:10] section
[2:56:12] maintenance? Seeing none, we'll move to
[2:56:15] the next page. Utilities traffic.
[2:56:22] Yes, that increased by 34.5%
[2:56:27] approximately 144,000.
[2:56:31] » I'm sorry, what page you said? I'm
[2:56:33] sorry.
[2:56:33] >> 37.
[2:56:35] >> Okay, thanks.
[2:56:37] >> Anything to highlight?
[2:56:40] >> Sorry that we have two line workers
[2:56:42] currently and down the line we have
[2:56:46] three, but that's you know future talk.
[2:56:49] right now as this budget this is correct
[2:56:51] just something to prepare for in the
[2:56:53] future. We these two gentlemen are
[2:56:56] towards the end of their you know
[2:56:57] working careers and ideally we have some
[2:57:01] weight in the wings to learn but might
[2:57:02] be a cross trainining sort of situation.
[2:57:04] So three should be the number that we uh
[2:57:08] look to have in the future but the math
[2:57:11] remain two as we cross train this.
[2:57:15] So you you had the um in 25 the adopted
[2:57:19] budget was two. Were both of those
[2:57:21] positions filled?
[2:57:23] >> We had a supervising line worker.
[2:57:27] >> So you we moved one of the line workers
[2:57:29] to the supervisor position.
[2:57:32] >> Thank you.
[2:57:34] >> Any other questions?
[2:57:38] Seeing none, we'll move to page
[2:57:42] 51.
[2:57:46] for the bottom three
[2:57:50] include 5.15%
[2:57:54] approximately 3600.
[2:58:12] Um
[2:58:14] >> street lighting that has to do with
[2:58:16] administrative expense life follows.
[2:58:20] >> Yeah
[2:58:21] expense 42. Yeah. So that's for the
[2:58:26] um
[2:58:28] yeah services which we have uh in Japan
[2:58:33] Jones and service fee. So I think
[2:58:36] they're increasing a little bit in their
[2:58:39] um annual maintenance rate. So that's a
[2:58:44] little bit higher than that. Expensive
[2:58:49] the annual maintenance they're
[2:58:51] increasing from part.
[2:59:02] So you're saying that the light bulb gas
[2:59:04] any
[2:59:07] light gas I think is the
[2:59:12] » Yeah.
[2:59:26] » Oh no. We're just asking about the
[2:59:27] light. Yes. In terms of the the numbers,
[2:59:31] does that cover any smart city program
[2:59:34] under this light?
[2:59:36] >> I don't believe so.
[2:59:38] >> No, it doesn't.
[2:59:39] >> White power and gas. That's that's
[2:59:41] strictly national.
[2:59:45] » And then we're at 1.3 million here to
[2:59:48] date as of uh September.
[2:59:52] >> Okay.
[2:59:57] Do you have any other thoughts or
[3:00:00] so? 1.3 million pounds. You think that's
[3:00:04] enough budgeted for with the increases I
[3:00:07] mean we're personally facing
[3:00:09] >> at home? I'm sure you work these numbers
[3:00:12] out, but you think that's enough to get
[3:00:13] us through next year? I think so.
[3:00:15] >> Okay.
[3:00:19] Any other questions?
[3:00:20] >> I'm sorry. I think I must have missed
[3:00:22] this flipping but um what's in the
[3:00:25] administrative expense there?
[3:00:28] >> Um yeah so is uh the annual uh
[3:00:33] maintenance cost uh which we have to pay
[3:00:36] to BPM for all the loads we talked
[3:00:39] about. So like 200 upgrading to that but
[3:00:44] we have like 700 total.
[3:00:47] 725
[3:00:48] >> 725 on that the charge went up on that.
[3:00:53] >> Wow.
[3:00:53] >> So they're increasing um actually you
[3:00:56] know they're increasing
[3:00:59] I don't know it's like 57 grand or
[3:01:01] something.
[3:01:02] >> Yeah. So that's the data so they're
[3:01:05] increasing.
[3:01:08] >> Is that why we saw that huge jump from
[3:01:10] 2024 to 2025?
[3:01:13] >> Yeah. 2025 not one month but 2026 is
[3:01:17] >> 57 57 that's what you mentioned 57,000
[3:01:21] increase
[3:01:22] >> and that's going directly to the the
[3:01:24] service provider
[3:01:25] >> yeah service provider and we spoke to
[3:01:28] service provider tried to negotiate it
[3:01:31] brought the cost down that's why you see
[3:01:33] this number this was like 90 grand
[3:01:36] before
[3:01:39] and try to bring the cost Yeah.
[3:01:49] » Any other questions for this department?
[3:01:52] See none. Thank you so much. Thanks.
[3:01:57] Good work.
[3:01:59] Okay,
[3:02:01] we are going to close the page 61.
[3:02:08] Let's start.
[3:02:20] Sorry.
[3:02:26] » Yeah.
[3:02:30] » That's pretty darn good.
[3:02:37] » Okay. The development 8686 page 61
[3:02:41] increase by 0.58% approximately 3000
[3:02:47] increase.
[3:03:05] So for the salaries, all of these
[3:03:09] positions are currently filled with
[3:03:11] exception of our principal planner
[3:03:14] recently
[3:03:18] resign.
[3:03:25] » No
[3:03:29] highlight. you don't need. Sir,
[3:03:31] >> one question um that I need to mention
[3:03:35] is the number for
[3:03:38] overtime for the admin salaries went
[3:03:41] down to 500
[3:03:43] and we have to be able even though I do
[3:03:46] encourage my team to do comp time. We
[3:03:49] really need a line item there because if
[3:03:51] they choose to, especially with missing
[3:03:55] um the principal planner right now would
[3:03:57] like to be able to have that option if
[3:03:59] they work over. Now, they do really well
[3:04:01] with doing that with company time, but I
[3:04:04] think 500 is pretty much zero when I
[3:04:08] have two people managing my plan.
[3:04:19] So
[3:04:22] >> overtime is that like a
[3:04:28] » so so and department like there's like a
[3:04:31] stipen for overtime, right? So
[3:04:36] >> it's not just over.
[3:04:39] >> Oh, for the contractual people they see.
[3:04:41] Oh, okay.
[3:04:43] >> Plan commission zone board.
[3:04:50] So that $500
[3:04:53] that is in the budget is supposed to go
[3:04:56] for the three current people on staff
[3:04:59] that they choose to do overtime
[3:05:01] attending their commission.
[3:05:07] Is that really?
[3:05:09] >> No, but like I said, most of the time
[3:05:11] they they are okay fulfilling comp time,
[3:05:14] but I would like them to remain the
[3:05:16] remaining thousand just in case
[3:05:18] something occurs in their um you know
[3:05:21] compound doesn't work like
[3:05:24] >> I have another part of my question as
[3:05:26] well. Um so I noticed that other
[3:05:29] department heads had stipens but I don't
[3:05:32] see any sip
[3:05:34] um in your
[3:05:36] department originally um we did submit
[3:05:39] for stipen which was for ser for um
[3:05:44] $7,000 which would be for two um
[3:05:46] employees to do so like 3500 a piece but
[3:05:49] that didn't make it to the final
[3:05:58] Is there a reason that certain
[3:05:59] departments aren't
[3:06:02] considered?
[3:06:03] >> I think most department heads that
[3:06:05] receive it are commissioners for the
[3:06:08] most part. I mean the ones that have
[3:06:10] been on call like uh for example um the
[3:06:16] IT department
[3:06:18] reaching out emails and they always you
[3:06:22] know I can reach out to him any point in
[3:06:24] time I mean answer calls email
[3:06:29] >> so it's all before call essentially
[3:06:34] >> yes
[3:06:37] really emergency.
[3:06:46] » Yeah. So, I thought that we had um
[3:06:49] maybe I should just go back and look. I
[3:06:50] thought we had one a
[3:06:57] check.
[3:07:04] There it is.
[3:07:13] I can't find but I thought that I the position I'm thinking about would
[3:07:19] not be calling people in over time. Let
[3:07:21] me go through my back.
[3:07:29] » Just a comment. Conceivably, if the
[3:07:31] principal planner position isn't hired
[3:07:32] right away, could a substantial portion
[3:07:37] of that be moved
[3:07:39] to a line which would be over time.
[3:07:48] It depends how we I mean they could
[3:07:51] potentially use some of that money um
[3:07:54] the data bring or depending that develop
[3:08:05] » so I guess this is a little bit more
[3:08:07] clarification
[3:08:10] asking right now that position isn't
[3:08:12] filled without that position being
[3:08:14] filled how does that impact other people
[3:08:16] within your department
[3:08:18] Well, right now I'm on the principal
[3:08:20] planner,
[3:08:23] » but we we have an we have an amazing
[3:08:25] team. It does um add to the workload of
[3:08:29] my planner one and my assistant planner,
[3:08:31] which both have stepped up um to do
[3:08:34] additional things as we transition with
[3:08:35] the law school. But right now, I'm I am
[3:08:39] the decision maker. Not that I wasn't
[3:08:41] before, but I had a an in between
[3:08:43] management staff, but I'm the decision
[3:08:45] maker. more hands-on approach now.
[3:08:49] Go ahead.
[3:08:50] >> Um, in hiring the um, new principal
[3:08:53] planner, would you have to bring that
[3:08:55] person in at this salary or is that just
[3:08:58] because of um, you know, that person was
[3:09:01] there for so long? And
[3:09:03] >> yeah, I I don't know. I guess that
[3:09:06] depends on that depends on the level of
[3:09:08] experience. If we have somebody that has
[3:09:10] 25 years experience that we bringing on,
[3:09:12] I think that would be equivalent to what
[3:09:14] we lost.
[3:09:16] in our previous planner.
[3:09:17] >> Okie dokie.
[3:09:21] » The these are technical position and
[3:09:24] >> it's hard to get them fill.
[3:09:26] >> Yes.
[3:09:28] >> I'm speaking on a private sector
[3:09:32] position.
[3:09:34] Any other questions for this section?
[3:09:37] Anything else you like to highlight to
[3:09:39] us?
[3:09:42] And you know these historic
[3:09:48] » I actually proposed that based on what
[3:09:51] we spent last year. So in there it's
[3:09:53] like our arborist um our consultant for
[3:09:56] the tree program. So I made that
[3:09:58] decision to drop it because the reality
[3:10:00] is we didn't we didn't need that much
[3:10:02] money.
[3:10:06] » Okay. So we move to page uh
[3:10:10] 62 community development commission
[3:10:15] [Music]
[3:10:17] >> sir.
[3:10:19] >> So again this is another this training
[3:10:22] line
[3:10:23] >> where that went down to 1,000. I just
[3:10:26] want to reiterate that this is training
[3:10:28] that has to be offered to the planners
[3:10:30] and all three of the commissioners. So,
[3:10:33] $1,000 isn't is not going to to cut it.
[3:10:37] We have to be able it is written. We
[3:10:39] have to be able to offer that training.
[3:10:41] And if I want to continue to have best
[3:10:42] in class as far as planners, especially
[3:10:44] with the losing somebody that's been in
[3:10:47] this role for $25, I need to
[3:10:56] » I need to be able to offer them training
[3:10:59] if if I want the best in class. I mean,
[3:11:01] they they need an opportunity to go to
[3:11:03] training. And that also that line covers
[3:11:06] when city council goes to the planning
[3:11:09] conference that usually happens every
[3:11:11] year when we offer it to you for those
[3:11:14] who do attend in Saratoga because my
[3:11:17] department offers it to you every year.
[3:11:21] >> Yes.
[3:11:22] Um but $1,000 is not enough.
[3:11:27] >> So I I just have a question.
[3:11:29] >> Yes.
[3:11:30] Oh, I just had a question. So, this is
[3:11:32] your proposed budget, right? So, the 500
[3:11:35] um for overtime. Why didn't we put a,000
[3:11:38] in?
[3:11:38] >> I did put 1,000. This isn't my proposed
[3:11:41] budget did not make it. This is the
[3:11:42] final budget. Okay.
[3:11:44] >> So, that's those are the things that
[3:11:45] some things got cut and I'm fine with,
[3:11:47] but I'm highlighting the things that
[3:11:50] it's beneficial that it stays.
[3:11:53] >> Okay.
[3:11:55] Miss uh Patrick and you had do you have
[3:11:59] it now or
[3:12:00] >> I don't think so.
[3:12:01] >> Oh, I was just gonna ask if the when you
[3:12:03] said that they have to have the
[3:12:05] training, are they mandatory training
[3:12:06] >> for the commissioners? Yes.
[3:12:08] >> Oh, okay.
[3:12:08] >> Yes, they are.
[3:12:10] >> Go ahead, please. So, I just wanted to point out the fact that you took out
[3:12:14] 15,000 on your um visa services
[3:12:18] >> and you're just asking us to restore the
[3:12:21] mandatory training back another 1500.
[3:12:25] >> Yes.
[3:12:25] >> And the overall
[3:12:26] >> 3,000
[3:12:28] that I asked for 3,000 in that line.
[3:12:31] >> You're asking for 3,000. Okay.
[3:12:33] >> Mhm.
[3:12:34] >> 231,000.
[3:12:36] >> And you want you you're asking for the
[3:12:38] overtime to be back up to a,000. Yes.
[3:12:41] Okay.
[3:12:43] All right. Thank you.
[3:12:47] » Any other questions?
[3:12:51] >> Okay. Sorry.
[3:12:58] [Music]
[3:13:07] » You can't without a statement.
[3:13:11] community development increased by like
[3:13:13] a 62% uh approximately $3,000 increase.
[3:13:19] >> Okay.
[3:13:22] >> All position on all positions except for
[3:13:24] the new senior assistant position is
[3:13:27] full. I'm happy to report that.
[3:13:29] >> Um this year we operated with very short
[3:13:34] staff in the community development. We
[3:13:36] filled Sylvia's position which was
[3:13:38] empty, a year and a half for program
[3:13:41] monitor
[3:13:42] >> and we had 6 months without a program
[3:13:45] accounts clerk. Uh so I'm happy to say
[3:13:48] that those are those two positions are
[3:13:50] full. The CD assistant position is in
[3:13:54] full because there's a portion that got
[3:13:56] missed with civil service that Katie is
[3:13:59] working on. It was something um
[3:14:04] the correct verbage but why I can't hire
[3:14:07] when I went to go hire somebody and it
[3:14:09] hadn't gone through the full process
[3:14:11] with the county
[3:14:12] >> and which position of that
[3:14:14] >> um see the assistant
[3:14:19] >> new it was there when I got here in the
[3:14:22] budget
[3:14:26] » go ahead
[3:14:26] >> was there a person in it when you got
[3:14:28] here
[3:14:28] >> no it was a new position that I was
[3:14:30] looking to fill that my predecessor had
[3:14:32] got approved for but there was something
[3:14:34] on our that didn't happen.
[3:14:37] >> I understand. Um but so in other words,
[3:14:39] you've been able to operate without the
[3:14:41] CD assistant
[3:14:42] >> barely.
[3:14:43] >> Okay.
[3:14:45] >> Which is why we have a part-time we had
[3:14:47] two part-time people consultants pretty
[3:14:50] much hurting and helping us.
[3:14:52] >> Thank you.
[3:14:54] >> And are you saying that those people are
[3:14:56] no longer there? two part time.
[3:14:58] >> One part time is no longer part time.
[3:15:02] >> Um I do have a further question about
[3:15:04] the um under the line 88687 the program
[3:15:08] account for I see that it went down is
[3:15:10] that a new person in that position?
[3:15:12] >> Yes, it is. Okay.
[3:15:15] >> So going back to the the part was it was
[3:15:19] this to help pick up the workload for
[3:15:22] these position that was not filled. Is
[3:15:24] that correct? But since you are in all
[3:15:27] these position and fill up, would you be
[3:15:30] uh downsizing in the parttime line?
[3:15:34] >> Well, that is one person.
[3:15:38] >> Well, there's somebody in it.
[3:15:39] >> There's somebody in it. It used to be
[3:15:41] two, but it's still that is one person.
[3:15:46] >> Well, last year last year budget 54,000.
[3:15:50] This year proposed 54.
[3:15:54] this year proposal
[3:15:55] >> 50,000 sorry last year 54
[3:15:59] >> just let me
[3:16:02] >> second sorry
[3:16:03] >> no this was two 2025 is 254,000
[3:16:07] for two part time
[3:16:10] >> so and her hourly work at $20
[3:16:16] at 20 hours a week is over that is 52
[3:16:20] she makes $50 an
[3:16:26] So, do you you still need a part-time
[3:16:28] position?
[3:16:29] >> Yes, that position
[3:16:32] manages
[3:16:33] a very important role. She that position
[3:16:36] manages home.
[3:16:38] >> So, our home projects
[3:16:46] Anything
[3:16:52] else?
[3:16:54] Go ahead.
[3:16:55] >> Community development equipment.
[3:16:58] Nothing proposed for this year is
[3:17:00] $4,000.
[3:17:01] >> Yeah. Minimum most anything that we need
[3:17:04] for community development is
[3:17:05] reimburseable from CDBG. So it doesn't
[3:17:08] impact our general funds. Thank you.
[3:17:12] But that just mean you said most of it
[3:17:15] is reimburseable through
[3:17:18] how much how much money is reimburseable
[3:17:22] coming out of your department through
[3:17:23] like the
[3:17:25] >> Well, we have each year we have our CDBG
[3:17:29] own funds. So that's roughly 3.1 million
[3:17:32] that's all reimburseable. So each year
[3:17:35] is roughly in salaries from each one.
[3:17:38] And I'm just thinking this might not be
[3:17:41] all the way accurate, but 234,000
[3:17:46] in salaries from CDBG I believe is on
[3:17:50] our admin line. Um 100
[3:17:54] maybe 100,000
[3:17:57] for home.
[3:17:59] So far the community development those
[3:18:02] roles are still
[3:18:09] might be good information to have
[3:18:13] » I don't know those numbers on
[3:18:20] you step up.
[3:18:22] >> Would you like to follow up?
[3:18:24] >> Yeah, I think I was just thinking we
[3:18:25] might want to look at that.
[3:18:28] You want to follow up with a question?
[3:18:30] >> Yeah. Yeah. I was just I'll be there.
[3:18:32] >> Just pick it up already. Just do it
[3:18:35] right away.
[3:18:35] >> I was just saying maybe we need to look
[3:18:37] at like I'd like to see those numbers
[3:18:39] that we're talking about. That's all as
[3:18:40] >> reimburse. Can we make that please?
[3:18:43] >> Yeah. Thank you.
[3:18:44] >> Our annual action plan that we publish
[3:18:48] each year. It'll list out what we put
[3:18:51] towards adhesion.
[3:18:56] So it is public information
[3:19:03] » under this um section. You have $5,000
[3:19:06] inside for timing.
[3:19:08] >> Yes.
[3:19:11] The same as that I asked for before. We
[3:19:14] have CS
[3:19:16] people there.
[3:19:19] >> Any other questions?
[3:19:21] >> Go ahead. But I mean that's only $5,000
[3:19:24] not equipment but we haven't spent any
[3:19:26] of it yet year to date.
[3:19:29] We had
[3:19:32] because the team is doing
[3:19:35] you know they're coming in late staying
[3:19:37] late they're they're flexing in the same
[3:19:40] day. So if they know they have to be
[3:19:42] here for a meeting they're coming there
[3:19:45] later you know that which doesn't always
[3:19:48] work cuz we got work to do. that doesn't
[3:19:50] that's not always the the best option.
[3:19:58] » So, how do you track these contents?
[3:20:02] >> We have a time sheet that they put in
[3:20:05] every day that they sign in every day.
[3:20:08] >> That's right. Or just
[3:20:09] >> No, it's manual.
[3:20:10] >> So, you sign in when you come in, you
[3:20:13] sign out when you go home.
[3:20:18] » Okay. Are there any other questions? Are
[3:20:21] there any other things you wanted to
[3:20:22] highlight for us? What's happening in
[3:20:24] the department?
[3:20:25] >> Yes, this is some good things.
[3:20:27] >> Yeah, there's been a lot of there's been
[3:20:29] a lot of good things. Um, this year we
[3:20:32] really focused on implementing all the
[3:20:34] changes that we did in 2024 as far as
[3:20:37] our processing procedures cuz I I could
[3:20:40] remember coming to you saying we're
[3:20:41] doing this, we're doing that. And this
[3:20:43] year, um, the team really wanted to do
[3:20:45] that to be efficient. Um, we've been
[3:20:48] able, we're on track to expend almost
[3:20:51] $2.8 million into the community to our
[3:20:55] nonprofits, which is wonderful. We get
[3:20:58] $3 something million. And this year, we
[3:21:01] are on track. We've spent that money.
[3:21:03] has been in the community.
[3:21:04] Our community, severance are spending
[3:21:06] them, spending those funds. So, those
[3:21:09] likely that need it are getting the
[3:21:11] services that they want. So, that's
[3:21:13] something that I'm extremely proud of.
[3:21:15] Yes, we have some stragglers, but that's
[3:21:18] okay. Um, so we really focused on that.
[3:21:21] Um, we I'm proud of the work that we did
[3:21:24] with being short staff and community
[3:21:26] development. We this year we focused a
[3:21:29] lot of one-on-one technical assistance
[3:21:31] with our subreient and that shows
[3:21:33] they're able to spend the money. We're
[3:21:35] not going to close out this year. When I
[3:21:37] say this year, I'm talking about our
[3:21:39] federal year for community development
[3:21:42] which ended on 9:30. So, we're not going
[3:21:45] to close out with as much money still on
[3:21:48] the table as we have in previous um
[3:21:52] >> previous years, but we we are working.
[3:21:55] Um and it's an exciting time for my
[3:21:57] department considering we're almost
[3:21:59] fully staffed.
[3:22:01] We closed out phase one of our
[3:22:04] comprehensive plan for anyone who went
[3:22:06] to our last community meeting. So, we've
[3:22:08] heard a lot of feedback over the last 12
[3:22:11] months from the neighborhoods and we've
[3:22:13] been able to aggregate that data to
[3:22:15] really push out what our overall vision,
[3:22:18] the goal is for this city. So, we're
[3:22:21] looking forward um to phase two and I
[3:22:24] think that right there with the spending
[3:22:25] and the comp plan is the priorities of
[3:22:27] the department. We've been able to
[3:22:29] strengthen all of our relationships with
[3:22:31] our stakeholders working closely with
[3:22:33] Metrolex and the other developers in the
[3:22:35] city. We're making sure that we are
[3:22:37] giving the support and they're giving us
[3:22:39] support that we need to push some of
[3:22:41] these projects through and some of those
[3:22:42] projects would be our YWCA
[3:22:45] um project or scap the scap project
[3:22:48] that's happening. Um so just just really
[3:22:51] proud of the the the overall work of my
[3:22:53] team. Could you talk about the lead
[3:22:56] program?
[3:22:56] >> The lead program. October 1st, we fully
[3:23:00] transitioned our county lead program.
[3:23:02] Um, and we've already made significant
[3:23:05] changes. We've already um identified
[3:23:08] some weaknesses in the program and again
[3:23:10] addressing the policies and procedures
[3:23:12] and making sure that we can get this
[3:23:15] information out to the people. Um, so
[3:23:17] we've rebranded it. um logos, flyers.
[3:23:22] We have some projects that are in line
[3:23:24] that we'll be using. Some of our CDBG
[3:23:26] dollars for one of them is to get a lead
[3:23:29] hazard children safety van. It's an
[3:23:31] outreach van. We hope we're we're still
[3:23:34] flushing this out, but our hope is to
[3:23:36] partner with our local hospital, have
[3:23:38] nurses on the band going into the
[3:23:40] communities doing lead testing. Um go so
[3:23:44] in an effort to meet people where they
[3:23:45] are. Sometimes people don't want to come
[3:23:48] and sign up for programs and landlords
[3:23:50] can't get all of the information from
[3:23:51] tenants to actually take advantage of
[3:23:54] this program. So we we have that going
[3:23:56] on too and we're excited about that.
[3:23:58] >> So are you going to are you going to do
[3:24:00] some outreach to neighborhood
[3:24:01] association to kind of have people
[3:24:03] buying into this program?
[3:24:04] >> Yes. And I'm glad that you said
[3:24:06] outreach. I have something that's an act
[3:24:08] of the council. We talk about in our
[3:24:11] these neighborhood meetings. A lot of
[3:24:13] times neighborhoods and and community
[3:24:16] members are saying we don't we don't
[3:24:17] know that this is available. I'm leaning
[3:24:20] on council to share this information
[3:24:22] with your constituents. The city cannot
[3:24:24] do it without you. We're putting it in
[3:24:26] paper. We're sharing it on social media.
[3:24:29] We we need the council to share the
[3:24:31] information with the constituents. It is
[3:24:34] very disappointing when you have people
[3:24:36] in the community that say, "We don't
[3:24:37] know this fund exists or we don't know
[3:24:39] that it applies when we all have
[3:24:40] representation right here on the
[3:24:42] council." So, I'm going to be leaning on
[3:24:43] it
[3:24:45] >> this year to really push this
[3:24:46] information out there to the people that that you serve. So, yes, we will be
[3:24:52] doing that.
[3:24:52] >> We have the funding there, so we just
[3:24:54] need to help you your
[3:24:58] >> to get that information out so people
[3:24:59] can tap into the funding. The other
[3:25:02] question I want to ask in terms of um
[3:25:04] working with the BCNI
[3:25:07] uh habitat humanity in terms of spending
[3:25:09] all the allocation that we provide to
[3:25:11] them every year. How is that
[3:25:13] relationship working with them to make
[3:25:16] sure they utilize all the allocation on
[3:25:18] a timely basis?
[3:25:20] >> We are giving technical assistance. Um
[3:25:24] just because you get technical
[3:25:25] assistance doesn't mean that we follow
[3:25:27] the technical assistance and spend the
[3:25:29] money down. But the city is doing their
[3:25:31] part. Community development is doing
[3:25:33] their part. We have been meeting
[3:25:35] one-on-one. We recently started
[3:25:37] coordination meetings with BCNIR. So to
[3:25:39] ensure that they have to support the
[3:25:41] move to project, we have a meeting if
[3:25:43] they bring something up and to bring in
[3:25:45] with the department heads to sit in that
[3:25:47] meeting to help them, they have that
[3:25:49] option to do that. So that's new. We
[3:25:51] recently started out. We've met with one
[3:25:54] with every sub. So,
[3:26:01] » so I'd just like to circle back to the
[3:26:02] ban that you talked about because that
[3:26:03] really sounds like a good thing to be on
[3:26:05] the community. So, you're currently how
[3:26:08] are you what was the funding source?
[3:26:09] CDBG.
[3:26:10] >> CDBG. So, that's not something we would
[3:26:12] have to look at for capital.
[3:26:14] >> Okay. You would just purchase it and all
[3:26:17] that money would come from CDBG. And um
[3:26:19] do you have a anticipation on when that
[3:26:22] happen? I don't you know I had put it in
[3:26:24] for a capital project but after talking
[3:26:27] um to the commissioners like it is a it
[3:26:29] is a nigible expense for CDBG. So let's
[3:26:31] shift considering we already have a desk
[3:26:34] deficit because I don't know how China
[3:26:36] been trying to get a ban.
[3:26:41] » So Miss Car's earlier point um multiple
[3:26:44] times brought the fact of what we can
[3:26:46] do. I've spoken with communication seen
[3:26:48] with our school district when we have
[3:26:50] things like this program that you know
[3:26:53] the school district has a large reach
[3:26:54] and has a lot of ways to communicate
[3:26:57] with families. Um always willing to do
[3:27:00] that. All we have to do is just send it
[3:27:01] over saying this is the information put
[3:27:03] it on their all their electrical
[3:27:07] electronic uh interfaces if you will. Um
[3:27:09] and I'm sure if we were to do our own
[3:27:12] printing that they would you know be
[3:27:14] willing to distribute it that way as
[3:27:15] well. So again, it's just a resource
[3:27:17] that we should just not do. The approval
[3:27:21] from Dr. Co has already been into to
[3:27:23] help things
[3:27:24] >> and they they have actually with the
[3:27:26] comprehensive plan and winning every
[3:27:28] kids from bad neighborhood meetings in
[3:27:29] our schools put on social media. So that
[3:27:32] part we have strengthened that
[3:27:34] partnership and we have utilized them as
[3:27:36] a re as a resource already.
[3:27:39] >> Go ahead. Um, I just want to ask in
[3:27:42] terms of the CDBG SNAP neighborhood
[3:27:44] revitalization uh money which um it's zero for 2026. Is that because did
[3:27:51] it shift to another one of these lines
[3:27:53] or is it that just that we got a cut
[3:27:55] from the federal government?
[3:27:56] >> No, it's not a fun. The SNAP program
[3:27:59] hasn't expended money from that line in
[3:28:01] three years. So, we took that money and
[3:28:04] put it in the development line so that
[3:28:06] we can have more control over
[3:28:10] people contracting going out and leaving
[3:28:12] city on properties. We've met with the
[3:28:16] team downstairs and they have a capacity
[3:28:19] issue.
[3:28:22] So, in an effort to address and getting
[3:28:24] these homes stressing with our homes
[3:28:25] initiative, getting these homes cleaned
[3:28:27] up, making sure that they're safe to
[3:28:29] enter for our realtors, we took that and
[3:28:31] made it a put it on a development line.
[3:28:34] >> Okay. And then um my other question
[3:28:38] was oh um so speaking of homes um so
[3:28:44] we've put into the budget um trying to
[3:28:48] uh bring in 4.5 million.
[3:28:51] >> Uh to date we've brought in um 1.5
[3:28:55] million um with only a few months left.
[3:28:58] And I was just wondering um you know
[3:29:00] what
[3:29:02] how we're going to try to achieve
[3:29:05] >> other
[3:29:06] money is from the Skinnct 40 project
[3:29:09] which is held under litigation right
[3:29:10] now. So that transferred over from last
[3:29:12] year to this year.
[3:29:14] >> So it's not direct sales of cityowned
[3:29:16] property like what we talk about in
[3:29:18] property management committee. That's
[3:29:20] not what that revenue was that city
[3:29:23] >> city own property work on. The other one
[3:29:25] is said $500,000
[3:29:27] sale town
[3:29:29] >> and driving put in a moratorum which
[3:29:32] they have now lifted but potential for
[3:29:37] there's going to be a solar site there.
[3:29:39] >> Yes.
[3:29:40] >> So there's a couple of big
[3:29:45] uh transactions out there that would
[3:29:48] bring that number up. Is it still going
[3:29:50] to happen in 25?
[3:29:53] I hope so, but I can't guarantee it. It
[3:29:56] more
[3:29:58] going to 26. So, have a little bit of
[3:30:02] deficit here. Show up the numbers for
[3:30:04] 26.
[3:30:05] >> Okay. Thank you.
[3:30:08] >> Talking about I mean we are currently um
[3:30:12] property management is reaching this
[3:30:13] meeting once per month. Is there any
[3:30:16] consideration to kind of put that back
[3:30:18] two times per month so that we can be be
[3:30:22] more aggressive to achieve u a better
[3:30:26] number
[3:30:27] >> into next year?
[3:30:27] >> We need that more than happy to shift
[3:30:29] the staff to do that.
[3:30:32] >> But you think in my opinion I don't
[3:30:34] think someone is going to make it more
[3:30:37] >> I'm looking at in terms of the law
[3:30:40] department in terms of having the the
[3:30:41] approval the closing you know all those
[3:30:44] things.
[3:30:45] because it kind of it kind of dragged
[3:30:47] out like meeting once a month and how do
[3:30:51] we approve it once a month? I think also
[3:30:53] we're looking at the the closing and
[3:30:55] it's kind of spread out.
[3:30:56] >> I I this is just me advocating for my
[3:31:00] work that Maurice puts into this process
[3:31:02] and the time that it takes to get all
[3:31:05] these things together, the sim takes to
[3:31:07] collect all the supporting documents and
[3:31:09] put that analysis together for the PMC.
[3:31:12] I think that it helps him to be come to
[3:31:15] you the more complete right versus him
[3:31:18] coming to you and then having to say
[3:31:21] this still you know x y and z you know
[3:31:27] do documents but whatever you decide we
[3:31:31] will my team will make that we'll make
[3:31:33] that adjustment but I don't think you've
[3:31:36] given it a chance we've only been
[3:31:37] meeting a couple of months once a month
[3:31:40] >> so we really
[3:31:44] It feels like we meet more than once a
[3:31:45] month, but I guess
[3:31:47] >> it is a that's fairly new. So,
[3:31:52] >> yeah, I'm kind of looking at it now
[3:31:55] standpoint in terms of moving more
[3:31:57] aggressively towards closing so that we
[3:31:59] can achieve the numbers.
[3:32:03] >> Any other question? I mean you touched
[3:32:04] on your department but you did not touch
[3:32:06] on and you you and your staff spend
[3:32:09] significant I would say significant
[3:32:12] amount of time and energy all of the
[3:32:14] above to achieve those um result in
[3:32:17] terms of allocation in terms of tracking
[3:32:20] I will give you the opportunity to
[3:32:21] please highlight the good things and we
[3:32:24] start the bad things or just the good
[3:32:26] things just the good things okay we are
[3:32:28] at
[3:32:30] >> about 85% %
[3:32:34] spend down when when I think of our now
[3:32:38] the couple that are still need to spend
[3:32:41] our large amounts
[3:32:43] but most of them are with the exception
[3:32:47] of a couple we we know where they are.
[3:32:49] major development projects, but
[3:32:51] the rest of them, you know, 30,000,
[3:32:54] 40,000, they're not even able to spend,
[3:32:56] you know, you still got till next year
[3:32:58] to spend them. So, um, Mitch has done a
[3:33:02] tremendous, tremendous, tremendous job
[3:33:06] working with the subreients and making
[3:33:09] sure that the city is aligned with our
[3:33:11] environmental review. That had become a
[3:33:14] issue. the US how we would typically do
[3:33:17] an environment to review the US trend
[3:33:19] requires something different and my team
[3:33:22] has really stepped up and made sure that
[3:33:24] our sub recipients are are compliant
[3:33:31] since you mentioned ARPA I think the
[3:33:32] allocations as was presented by the
[3:33:34] council is often coming under vir
[3:33:37] scrutiny similar to the CDB CDBG funding
[3:33:41] is there any way to quantify its
[3:33:43] community impact
[3:33:46] Well, we do we we collect the data so we
[3:33:50] do know how many people to serve, where
[3:33:52] those people live, what are the ages. So
[3:33:54] there's there isn't a gap as far as
[3:33:58] reporting. I will share that information
[3:34:01] >> with respect to
[3:34:03] >> we we collect the same information. We
[3:34:05] get report we we get quarterly reports
[3:34:08] from every sub. I think that would be
[3:34:10] valuable to substantiate
[3:34:13] the reason why I individually and others
[3:34:15] voted in favor of that certain
[3:34:17] allocations. Certainly there are some,
[3:34:19] you know, in full transparency, there
[3:34:21] are some subreients that are struggling.
[3:34:24] Um, they are struggling. Some of them
[3:34:26] don't have the capacity for the amount
[3:34:28] of money that was allocated to them. And
[3:34:30] we we're we're seeing that even though
[3:34:33] we're supporting them and trying to give
[3:34:34] that technical assistance to them,
[3:34:37] they're struggling. And I'm just being honest.
[3:34:41] >> Still,
[3:34:42] >> yeah, there's still time, but
[3:34:44] >> but time is of the essence. And the ones
[3:34:47] that are struggling, do you in your own
[3:34:50] professional capacity, do you feel that
[3:34:51] they're going to achieve it at the end
[3:34:53] of their own?
[3:34:54] >> There are there are two that I need to
[3:34:57] speak with commission about that we have
[3:35:01] um major concerns.
[3:35:04] So, on that note, um again, just because
[3:35:07] we're struggling to try to figure out
[3:35:08] how we're going to bring back some money
[3:35:10] and be able to try to reduce a tax, um
[3:35:13] is any of that money money that might be
[3:35:15] able to be reallocated to other projects
[3:35:18] like for example youth services?
[3:35:21] >> I wouldn't see why not.
[3:35:22] >> We just would have to do it within we'd
[3:35:24] have to um reallocate it before
[3:35:27] December.
[3:35:28] >> And I don't think you can reallocate it
[3:35:31] this time.
[3:35:32] >> Well, that's what I was wondering. Okay.
[3:35:33] Yeah. So, we can't
[3:35:35] >> how would we, in other words, if there
[3:35:37] were I'm making this up, but if XYZ
[3:35:39] organization
[3:35:41] wasn't able to spend the money that we
[3:35:44] allocated to them, we just lose it.
[3:35:46] >> I wouldn't say that we lose it. I think
[3:35:48] there may be some creative ways if we
[3:35:51] use the money for the same intention,
[3:35:54] but maybe not.
[3:35:58] >> That might be a place to be able to have
[3:36:00] some money for youth services.
[3:36:02] If the project was youth services, but
[3:36:04] the two projects are not youth services.
[3:36:06] So that
[3:36:09] just
[3:36:10] >> so it has to be like it has to be in.
[3:36:12] >> Gotcha. Gotcha. We got serve money golf
[3:36:16] course.
[3:36:16] >> I did hear
[3:36:19] >> you were trying to get some money
[3:36:20] services somewhere in your department.
[3:36:24] >> Not fine with us. there's an opportunity
[3:36:27] to woman that um we possibly could use
[3:36:30] right now we're closing out our federal
[3:36:33] year so there will be some money that
[3:36:35] hasn't been spent
[3:36:37] >> and there may be some money that could
[3:36:39] be allocated
[3:36:41] >> thank you may
[3:36:45] » going back to the our those two agency
[3:36:49] that are struggling is there any way you
[3:36:52] can share that information more in depth
[3:36:53] information so the council
[3:36:55] and we can able to see where we stand in
[3:36:58] terms of that and if we need to make
[3:36:59] adjustment or do anything outside of
[3:37:02] that so that we don't lose that money or
[3:37:05] we need to ramp up effort to help them
[3:37:09] to you know be more aggressive if that's
[3:37:12] something that you can you can we can
[3:37:14] get on board to help you with
[3:37:16] >> so Mr.
[3:37:18] Miss is part of I have spoken. So she
[3:37:19] plans on um bringing that forward to
[3:37:22] >> I will respectfully I'm going to make
[3:37:24] sure that I connect with commissioner
[3:37:26] first.
[3:37:27] >> Okay.
[3:37:27] >> And then I will
[3:37:30] >> yeah
[3:37:33] those are information that is will be uh
[3:37:35] beneficial to us to you for us to help
[3:37:39] you if we can because uh we here to see
[3:37:41] the money just disappear. and we can be
[3:37:44] allocated to something that kind of fits
[3:37:47] the need
[3:37:50] project. We can
[3:37:54] any other question I had to put you I
[3:37:57] put you on the spot but I want to
[3:37:59] highlight you know you had so many so
[3:38:01] much of additional work
[3:38:03] >> Mhm. with the allocation and the
[3:38:06] tracking every single time and
[3:38:07] constantly meeting with us almost every
[3:38:09] week, every two weeks to highlight us,
[3:38:12] to give us update, things like that. And
[3:38:14] I do really appreciate that. I'm sure my
[3:38:16] colleagues do appreciate that.
[3:38:18] Absolutely. It's a lot of work, a lot of
[3:38:19] effort, a lot of funding, making sure
[3:38:22] that you be on top of all that, you
[3:38:24] know, that 52 point something million
[3:38:27] dollars.
[3:38:28] >> So, thank you.
[3:38:30] >> Thank you. I appreciate that.
[3:38:33] Yeah,
[3:38:35] you did it out of tight end.
[3:38:36] >> Thank Thank you for your support.
[3:38:38] >> Are there any other questions
[3:38:41] >> from
[3:38:43] saying no? Thank you and thank you for
[3:38:45] what you are doing. Keep up the good
[3:38:47] work.
[3:38:47] >> Thanks so much.
[3:38:50] >> All right.
[3:38:53] So, we have come to the end.
[3:39:01] a lot. Did you did they review your
[3:39:03] department?
[3:39:04] >> Yeah.
[3:39:05] >> The other night.
[3:39:07] >> So, um
[3:39:11] we've come to the end of the review. Um
[3:39:14] we'll just don't I know there's a lot of
[3:39:17] questions we um pushed around. Are you
[3:39:21] getting answer to all the questions? If
[3:39:23] you're not, please reach out. copy, copy
[3:39:26] them in, copy direct and we will um make
[3:39:31] sure that you receive answers of any
[3:39:35] question that Amazon started.
[3:39:39] Please, if you're sending email, just
[3:39:41] pick up the phone and call because
[3:39:42] sometimes the email get disappear, you
[3:39:44] know, pick up the phone and call and try
[3:39:47] to get your questions answered.
[3:39:50] >> Our next meeting is u this Friday 5:30.
[3:39:53] Um more than likely um I will ask you to
[3:39:56] clear out your calendar in next week.
[3:39:59] >> I would like to add another day more as
[3:40:02] reserve.
[3:40:03] >> So I will do that this Friday. So I ask
[3:40:05] you to look at your calendar please. Can
[3:40:07] we tell you now what you know in case
[3:40:09] there is if anybody has
[3:40:11] >> you can yes but I will give you more
[3:40:13] time you know in your capacity private
[3:40:15] capacity to do it
[3:40:16] >> Tuesday if you can you can um let me
[3:40:18] know
[3:40:20] >> um Miss Michael I will have to put out
[3:40:24] public notice and it's a moral place so
[3:40:27] that you know we we're here to be
[3:40:29] serious in terms of as we get to the
[3:40:32] final conclusion I would make myself
[3:40:34] available
[3:40:36] uh um have a meaningful dialogue, a
[3:40:40] meaningful opportunity to be flexible uh
[3:40:42] to achieve their budget hopefully before
[3:40:46] the end of next weekend.
[3:40:48] >> So, um I just be clear, we're still
[3:40:50] meeting on Monday after meeting.
[3:40:53] >> We're still but I just want to, you
[3:40:54] know, put that place in case we cannot
[3:40:58] conclude by Monday evening.
[3:41:01] >> I have three nights next week that I
[3:41:03] could add in.
[3:41:05] >> Go ahead, please. Then I have a couple
[3:41:06] questions. So um and these are
[3:41:08] colleagues um for commissioner. So just
[3:41:11] if you um could just when we get ready
[3:41:13] to when we start the deliberation just
[3:41:16] explain the council work from that um
[3:41:18] fund um balance policy is and also um
[3:41:24] what it would mean in terms of um going
[3:41:27] past that what that entails. So if those
[3:41:30] are two things that that you can address
[3:41:33] deliberations on Friday.
[3:41:36] >> Are those questions or are you in terms
[3:41:39] of presentation on that?
[3:41:41] >> Well, you can answer the question. I
[3:41:42] mean if you want it's up to him how he
[3:41:44] does it with the presentation but we
[3:41:46] what our fund balance policy is um and
[3:41:50] also what it entails in terms of talking
[3:41:53] about
[3:41:55] seeing a tax. No, I want to make sure
[3:41:57] the video going to be captured whatever
[3:41:58] you're you're asking. So, commissioner,
[3:42:01] you make note of that, please.
[3:42:04] So if you don't mind looking at your
[3:42:06] calendar now or if not
[3:42:10] it
[3:42:12] we can put it just get it out there
[3:42:15] so that we don't have to delay you know
[3:42:17] getting you know
[3:42:28] » I was just going to say a point of repi
[3:42:33] appreciated when we had the
[3:42:34] conversations around the housing task
[3:42:36] force because I think it wasn't
[3:42:38] suggested that we had everyone just
[3:42:40] highlighted
[3:42:42] and then we vote for alignment. Um I
[3:42:45] think with having condensed meetings I
[3:42:49] think if we're intentional we can
[3:42:50] achieve our objective in two days or two
[3:42:53] nights. Um I think the respectful ask
[3:42:56] would be I think people come into Friday
[3:42:59] with maybe a written or pre-provided
[3:43:01] list to SAM. I think that would help us
[3:43:04] align the areas of agreement and that
[3:43:06] would make that discussion more um
[3:43:09] productive. I don't know you have excuse
[3:43:11] me they can be circular and I think we
[3:43:13] all are mostly trying for like reasons
[3:43:16] um by meeting to get away from us with
[3:43:19] us just having so few on the books so
[3:43:21] far.
[3:43:22] >> Absolutely. So yeah so you know members
[3:43:25] you can look at the revenue you know
[3:43:27] come up with any suggestion please
[3:43:29] document it so that we can go through
[3:43:31] look at the expenditure lines and
[3:43:34] departments and come up with your
[3:43:36] suggestion for Friday and we can start
[3:43:39] that discussion Friday
[3:43:41] thank you for that Mr.
[3:43:44] Yeah, cuz without
[3:43:47] pads and
[3:43:50] it's not easy. So, thank you. Thank you
[3:43:52] for highlighting that. So, yes, please
[3:43:56] sit down. You got some homework to do.
[3:43:58] come up with your suggestion, come up
[3:44:00] with some recommendation
[3:44:02] and let's start
[3:44:05] discussion across the board
[3:44:08] and as I mentioned revenue and
[3:44:10] expenditure time categories.
[3:44:14] So do you want to give me your
[3:44:16] availability in the next week and I can
[3:44:18] able to do something thing or you just
[3:44:20] want to sit on it for a day and get back
[3:44:22] to me? That's fine.
[3:44:29] What he says? No fighting.
[3:44:31] >> Yeah.
[3:44:35] » Okay.
[3:44:37] >> So, Monday, Tuesday, Wednesday, and
[3:44:39] Friday. I can do Well, Monday we're
[3:44:42] already scheduled.
[3:44:43] >> Yes. It's Tuesday, Wednesday, Friday.
[3:44:44] You're available.
[3:44:45] >> Mhm.
[3:44:45] >> Why don't we just do like a doodle poll?
[3:44:48] >> A doodle poll.
[3:44:51] doodle or
[3:44:54] >> well the point of the doodle post if
[3:44:56] we're all saying it this day that but if
[3:44:59] we fill it in then the it will let us
[3:45:02] know where everyone's reading. So that's
[3:45:05] the suggestion.
[3:45:07] >> Yeah, just a matter of two days just to
[3:45:10] one day cuz I I would like the reason
[3:45:13] why we meet last Wednesday and this
[3:45:14] Wednesday is because I wanted all
[3:45:16] council members to be at the meeting. I
[3:45:19] did not want to set the meeting with one
[3:45:20] of us missing because we're only six of
[3:45:23] us and it will not be beneficial because
[3:45:26] we had we could have meet our leader but
[3:45:28] there were one missing
[3:45:30] >> and I don't feel that was too
[3:45:33] >> so I ask for your support the next week
[3:45:36] to sacrifice a day or two more.
[3:45:41] All right. Anything else before
[3:45:44] please and um commissioner if you have
[3:45:47] any question please um provide the
[3:45:49] answer to the uh to the members so that
[3:45:52] way we're not waiting until um Friday. I
[3:45:55] have a couple I will follow you.
[3:45:57] >> Any emails sending emails with any
[3:45:59] questions I did not answer.
[3:46:02] So that's take care
[3:46:05] >> and please if you're sending question
[3:46:06] copy myself copy and copy Sam so that we
[3:46:10] can able to track it because Sam does a
[3:46:12] print out to make sure that we those
[3:46:15] questions are being answered. If you
[3:46:16] don't do that then we we can't track it.
[3:46:20] >> All right. Anything else?
[3:46:24] >> So I ask a motion to uh recess.
[3:46:27] >> So moved second.
[3:46:28] >> All in favor. Thank you so much. Good
[3:46:31] night everyone. Thank you.